| 00:00.58 | woodgrain | my /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows "BIOS call 0x5f05 not supported" no matter what configuration?? |
| 00:01.33 | Winkie_ | hey guys, can i ensure that every file in a certain directory is created with at least 664 and directories with 775? ACLs are fine |
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| 00:02.04 | Vasistha | woodgrain: hmm, why don't you pastebin your entire xorg log; that message is pretty cryptic, out of context |
| 00:02.25 | Vasistha | Winkie_: well, you can use find -perm ... man find ;-) |
| 00:02.37 | Winkie_ | Vasistha: I mean upon creation, not later on |
| 00:02.57 | blackest | hi i've got a small problem i was installing something with apt-get and it decided to give me something to read how do i get out of the text file |
| 00:03.54 | arencinosa | blackest: how it looks like? vim? nano? which is your EDITOR? |
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| 00:04.37 | blackest | dont know to be honest nano or vim possible its xebian and i am using ssh |
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| 00:05.00 | Vasistha | Winkie_: well, that depends on each user's umask, so you would have to make sure all users are using a umask of, e.g. 0002, at all times. However, I don't think it's possible to prevent a user from manually changing umask and creating files in violation of your policy :P |
| 00:05.18 | arencinosa | do you have any menu at bottom of screen? |
| 00:05.28 | Vasistha | blackest: try 'q' |
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| 00:05.57 | jahshua | try :q! |
| 00:06.22 | arencinosa | blackest: maybe <ESC>:q!<ENTER> |
| 00:06.31 | jahshua | yeh |
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| 00:06.35 | jahshua | better version^ |
| 00:06.36 | jahshua | heh |
| 00:07.26 | arencinosa | blackest: ?? |
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| 00:07.34 | Acu | I have two Debians in a LAN how do I share files among them - fast - Is any Network browsing application ? |
| 00:07.39 | blackest | thanks it was q |
| 00:07.43 | jahshua | :) |
| 00:08.02 | arencinosa | `less'? with apt-get ?? |
| 00:08.13 | Vasistha | Acu: if you don't know what your doing, the fastest way is probably with a usb drive ;-) |
| 00:08.52 | arencinosa | Vasistha: why did you suggest 'q'? |
| 00:08.58 | karsten | Is the Wietse Venema secure portmapper in Debian (apt-cache search portmapper doesn't turn up any likely suspects)? |
| 00:09.08 | Vasistha | arencinosa: I assumed it put him in 'less' |
| 00:09.30 | arencinosa | I guess so, but..., less with apt-get? |
| 00:09.36 | Vasistha | arencinosa: I'm pretty sure that's what it does if you opt to examine the differences (as opposed to attempt to edit one of the files... dunno if there's even an option to edit) |
| 00:09.42 | karsten | Ah. Portmap *is* Wietse's portmpa. |
| 00:09.44 | karsten | map. |
| 00:09.51 | Acu | Vasistha: do you have any concrete sugestions (besides usb drive) ? I would really appreciate it |
| 00:10.46 | arencinosa | Acu: smb? |
| 00:10.53 | arencinosa | Acu: ftp? |
| 00:10.55 | Vasistha | Acu: well, a concrete suggestion would be to use nfs, but that can be tricky to set up if you don't have experience with it (and I assume you don't, otherwise you wouldn't have asked) and you wanted something "fast". |
| 00:11.07 | karsten | Hrm. So config is via tcpwrappers: /etc/hosts_allow & /etc/hosts_deny. Presumably. |
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| 00:11.36 | blackest | nfs i did that today i spent maybe 8 hours getting it to work ... |
| 00:11.38 | Vasistha | Acu: if you happen to already have apache installed and running, then next fastest+easiest thing to do would be to link the files you want to copy into apache's path and grab them with wget or even a web browser |
| 00:11.43 | Acu | arencinosa: I know about smb4k, I was looking for an nfs networking brosen |
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| 00:12.06 | Vasistha | Acu: well, browsing nfs shares is one thing, but the main thing is getting your exports set up. |
| 00:12.48 | Acu | Vasistha: so there is no right-click choose share |
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| 00:14.08 | Vasistha | Acu: heh, I don't know of one, but I don't use any gui tools for file management or share management. besides, I'm pretty sure only root can export nfs shares, and you wouldn't want to run a graphical file browser as root anyway -- so there probably isn't such a method, no |
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| 00:14.49 | Vasistha | Acu: I'd be happy to help you get your nfs exports configured, though |
| 00:14.59 | Vasistha | Acu: but I'm not going to promise that it will happen "fast" ;-) |
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| 00:15.45 | blackest | i can give you an ubuntu howto that worked for me it will be the same for debian https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NFSv4Howto?highlight=%28nfs%29%7C%28howto%29 |
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| 00:16.27 | Acu | Vasistha: thanks - I am going to read a tutorial I found at Debian users forum - and then I will come back - I thought though sharing a file in Linux is piece of cake... (well it seem a big and time consuming cake which might give us diabetes) :) |
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| 00:19.33 | Vasistha | Acu: If you find a good tutorial and have a simple setup, you might be running in 5-10 minutes. good luck! |
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| 00:20.29 | blackest | i think i could do it in 10 minutes now but only coz i spent hours earlier today :/ |
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| 00:25.04 | pipeline | Acu: samba is a good bit simpler than getting NFSv4 up and running |
| 00:25.37 | giod | my grub wont load |
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| 00:25.51 | giod | and its a server i need up asap |
| 00:25.59 | arencinosa | giod: what do you get? |
| 00:26.24 | arencinosa | giod: loading, I mean |
| 00:26.25 | giod | when i try to boot it just goes to a grub bash |
| 00:26.41 | Vasistha | giod: sounds like it's not finding menu.lst |
| 00:26.42 | arencinosa | then you just need the config file |
| 00:26.50 | arencinosa | yep, I guess so too |
| 00:27.02 | arencinosa | giod: do you know your partitions? |
| 00:27.07 | giod | well how did it loose it |
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| 00:27.24 | Vasistha | there's a command to find kernels, I think |
| 00:27.31 | giod | arencinosa: theres only one partition |
| 00:27.36 | giod | main one |
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| 00:27.51 | arencinosa | giod: try `configfile <TAB>' |
| 00:27.57 | arencinosa | into the grub shell |
| 00:27.57 | giod | ok |
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| 00:28.29 | arencinosa | giod: configfile (hd<TAB> |
| 00:28.39 | arencinosa | maybe a better version |
| 00:28.56 | arencinosa | just to find out your / path |
| 00:29.14 | karpof | I need help with GNU/linux |
| 00:29.27 | Vasistha | karpof: what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:29.35 | karpof | alguien que sepa espaņol |
| 00:29.41 | Vasistha | !es |
| 00:29.41 | arencinosa | yo :) |
| 00:29.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:29.45 | chemist | yo hablo espanol |
| 00:29.52 | karpof | necesito instalar ubuntu en las maquinas de un laboratorio |
| 00:30.10 | Vasistha | karpof: dude, /join #debian-es |
| 00:30.13 | giod | arencinosa: it says the partion and hd info |
| 00:30.21 | giod | which is hd0 |
| 00:30.22 | karpof | y eso de estar instalandp maquina por maquina |
| 00:30.27 | karpof | es un poco lento |
| 00:30.30 | arencinosa | karpof: creo que deberias cambiar de canal: /join #debian-es |
| 00:30.31 | chemist | mejor vas a #debian-es |
| 00:30.33 | zamuro | karpof: 1. This isn't #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es, 2. for spanish speakers, existe #debian-es |
| 00:30.40 | karpof | asi que necesito instalarlo desde un servidor |
| 00:30.49 | karpof | ok |
| 00:31.03 | karpof | thanks |
| 00:31.15 | arencinosa | giod: ok, so, `configfile (hd0)/boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 00:31.15 | zenit | Anyone seen "rtc: lost some interrupts" messages in syslog? This messages is repeated thousands of times once I run a program that seems to use RTC for timing. |
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| 00:31.27 | Vasistha | how do you ignore six requests to take it somewhere else, and only then get the message? :P |
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| 00:33.59 | giod | arencinosa: cannot mount selected partition |
| 00:34.00 | arencinosa | giod: do you have just one partition? (hd0) or (hd0,0)? |
| 00:34.01 | karsten | zenit: I've seen it, not sure waht the issue is. Try Google. |
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| 00:34.01 | zenit | karsten: I have tried google, haven't found any good solution. |
| 00:34.23 | eheil | Heye veyrone. Having problems booting Etch on Sparc64 here on an UltraII workstation. it has 1GB/Ram and 2X400MHZ UltraSparc II CPU's. |
| 00:34.39 | pipeline | eheil: netboot? |
| 00:34.45 | giod | arencinosa: i just have hd0 and hd4 which i dont know what it is but it says fs is unknown for hd4 |
| 00:34.59 | pipeline | eheil: also, is it an ultra2? |
| 00:35.15 | eheil | pipeline: It can't find the hme0 interface when I do a boot cdrom from the openboot firmware. |
| 00:35.25 | arencinosa | giod: what do you get if you try `configfile (hd0,<TAB>' ?? |
| 00:35.47 | pipeline | eheil: that's not actually a problem: you need to load additional modules from the CD. |
| 00:35.52 | pipeline | eheil: that said, netbooting is the way to go ;) |
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| 00:36.16 | anferva | hi can anyone translate please? |
| 00:36.17 | anferva | yetz hat ers system genukt |
| 00:36.23 | eheil | pipeline: I was under the impression taht the modconf internal code with probe the sbus hardware and either Udev would take care of it. |
| 00:36.31 | pipeline | eheil: apparently not |
| 00:36.47 | JordiGH | Awesome. The DD for kdbg is female. I think that's the first DD of a package I regularly use that I discover to be female. |
| 00:36.53 | Vasistha | anferva: what language is that? |
| 00:36.58 | anferva | germano |
| 00:37.03 | Vasistha | anferva: #debian-de |
| 00:37.04 | anferva | i guess |
| 00:37.08 | anferva | thanks |
| 00:37.10 | pipeline | eheil: the look-for-shit code runs before the CD is at hand, anyway. There should be a menu option for loading additional modules from CD or something along those lines. |
| 00:37.15 | nihraguk | JordiGH: DD? |
| 00:37.20 | JordiGH | nihraguk: Debian Developer. |
| 00:37.26 | giod | arencinosa: what else can i do |
| 00:37.28 | JordiGH | !maint kdbg |
| 00:37.32 | dpkg | kdbg: Ana Beatriz Guerrero Lopez <ana@debian.org> |
| 00:37.34 | nihraguk | JordiGH: ah. |
| 00:37.34 | eheil | pipeline: speaking of sparc machines, know where I can get some scsi disks? B/c its internal disks (2x 9GB) is aweful small for local storage. |
| 00:37.39 | Vasistha | anferva: also, you can use altavista's babelfish service if all you need is a simple translation |
| 00:37.44 | crazy_penguin | night all! |
| 00:37.47 | JordiGH | She's even a Spanish-speaker, apparently. :-) |
| 00:37.55 | pipeline | eheil: are you sure this is an Ultra2? |
| 00:38.03 | anferva | balefish doesn gimme translation of that |
| 00:38.16 | pipeline | anferva: sure looks like crazy scandinavian moon-speak. |
| 00:38.22 | eheil | pipeline: I'm totally sure of it. During the boot process, its firmware identifies it as so. |
| 00:38.41 | Vasistha | anferva: the problem, of course, is that that part of the world is mostly asleep right now :P |
| 00:38.46 | arencinosa | giod: why? what did you got? |
| 00:38.47 | anferva | ok thanks |
| 00:38.56 | giod | arencinosa: nothing |
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| 00:39.06 | giod | it said it can mount the hd |
| 00:39.13 | pipeline | eheil: in that case any old 68 pin drive will work |
| 00:39.34 | pipeline | eheil: you may be limited to 1" drives though; I don't remember whether 1.6" drives will fit. Also, a maximum of 2 drives, and that's with no CDROM/floppy, IIRC |
| 00:39.39 | giod | arencinosa: i wanna try something |
| 00:39.46 | arencinosa | giod: hmm, try the following: `root (hd0) |
| 00:39.51 | giod | arencinosa: where is the kernel located |
| 00:39.53 | arencinosa | giod: ok, do it |
| 00:39.56 | pipeline | eheil: Ultra2s are desktop systems. You may find it easier to find a cheapassed old FC array and an SBus FC card if you really want more storage. |
| 00:40.02 | Vasistha | giod: find /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:40.15 | arencinosa | giod: maybe at (hd0)/boot/vmlinuz |
| 00:40.19 | eheil | pipeline: Waht I was thinking was is getting a SunStorage array and just cram it full of disks. Then i would configure the entire array as one huge volume using lvm and raid. |
| 00:40.27 | giod | yea i cant access the menu.lst file |
| 00:40.30 | pipeline | eheil: seeing as most SBus FC is either 1G or 2G with copper or GBIC ports, you don't really need a modern array. |
| 00:40.34 | giod | *can |
| 00:40.44 | giod | i can access the menu.lst file |
| 00:41.03 | Vasistha | giod: you *can* access the menu.lst file. What does it say? |
| 00:41.04 | pipeline | eheil: ehhhh... I would avoid any SunStorage that isn't relatively modern. i.e. isn't "StorEdge" branded. |
| 00:41.33 | pipeline | eheil: A lot of the old SunStorage is either non-standard not-quite-FC from before standardization, or rebranded Auspex crap that has weird limitations on disks... unless you know exactly what you're buying down to the part number, shy away. |
| 00:41.58 | giod | Vasistha: when i try to access it it goes back to bash |
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| 00:42.24 | Vasistha | giod: hum, then try find /boot/vmlinuz |
| 00:42.38 | Vasistha | giod: unfortunately I'm not sure what the syntax is for wildcards : |
| 00:43.02 | eheil | pipeline: OK, well taken. Then waht do you suggest? Imho Ultra II's are good machines though. Shame that a lot of Sparc machines aren't used more by the general public.ines |
| 00:43.22 | Acu | I installed nfs-common, nfs-kernel and kdedesktop-filesharing - I enabled the service - now I want to access the shared folders - so in Conqueror I type: nfs://192.168.0.5 and I get a message Authorization failed .... authentication not supported |
| 00:43.27 | Acu | Any help |
| 00:43.40 | giod | Vasistha: its not a file |
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| 00:44.33 | pipeline | eheil: Ultra2 |
| 00:44.36 | pipeline | eheil: not II |
| 00:44.37 | Vasistha | giod: let's see. well, you can try: find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 00:44.48 | pipeline | eheil: Ultra2s frequently contain UltraSPARC IIs :D |
| 00:44.49 | giod | i got that |
| 00:45.18 | Vasistha | giod: what is it??????? Whenever you get any valuable information, you don't seem to share it with us! It's very frustrating ;-) |
| 00:45.23 | pipeline | eheil: U2s are on their way out, though, as they top out with pretty slow CPUs. |
| 00:45.51 | pipeline | eheil: Also, the U2 is somewhat less appealling in this day and age: a 4U 2-way when you can buy a 12-way 8U E4500 for $500 :P |
| 00:45.53 | giod | Vasistha: i know where /boot/grub/stage1 is |
| 00:46.12 | Vasistha | giod: well, will you tell *us* where it is? What drive/partition?? |
| 00:46.39 | pipeline | eheil: and, lastly, greatest of all sins: they're totally non-rackmountable. |
| 00:46.42 | giod | i just can type /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 00:46.49 | giod | thats where it is |
| 00:46.50 | pipeline | eheil: the little fins in the skins prevent it from fitting in a rack |
| 00:47.01 | pipeline | eheil: and you can't separate the plastic skins from the top surface of the case :P |
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| 00:47.48 | giod | pipeline: bet i could with a hammer |
| 00:47.51 | eheil | pipeline: Depends on waht you use them for. But slow CPU's are a good reason. If you compare how they're constructed to normal x86-based boxes. anyways, I can see where the fins are designed into the case. I've noticed that my U2 runs pretty hot. |
| 00:48.32 | pipeline | giod: it would be a pain in the ass :P |
| 00:48.35 | Vasistha | giod: if you type `find /boot/grub/stage1' then grub ought to tell you what volume it is on -- perhaps even a list of them -- one of them might be, e.g., (hd0,0) |
| 00:48.35 | pipeline | giod: and mutilate the case |
| 00:48.47 | pipeline | eheil: the fins piss me off, since they exist only to prevent rackmounting. |
| 00:49.04 | pipeline | eheil: the non-rackmount E4500 had the same bullshit going. Plastic fins, built into the case in an annoying way, that prevented rackmount >:( |
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| 00:49.34 | pipeline | eheil: of course, in the case of the E4500, there was a good reason: It's a 7U system that required a 1U plastic baffle to prevent it from melting. (The E4k, E5k etc similar systems had the same problem.) |
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| 00:49.48 | eshaase | when i do 'sudo apt-get -s install g++' i get: g++: Depends: g++-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed\n Depends: gcc-3.3 (>= 1:3.3.5-1) but it is not going to be installed.. any ideas? |
| 00:50.01 | eshaase | it seems i have g++-2.95 installed and i'm guessing thats causing problems |
| 00:50.08 | giod | Vasistha: its on hd0,0 |
| 00:50.26 | Vasistha | eshaase: yeah, that's probably a conflict. I'd recommend using the aptitude front-end to get all your stuff resolved ;-) |
| 00:50.32 | Vasistha | giod: then type root (hd0,0) |
| 00:50.34 | arencinosa | giod: then just try `configfile (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 00:50.44 | Vasistha | in that order! |
| 00:51.05 | Acu | anyhelp with nfs- I installed everything - still cannot see other computer |
| 00:51.47 | arencinosa | eshaase: did you try 'apt-get -f install'? |
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| 00:52.05 | Vasistha | Acu: rather than using your gui tool, get a root terminal and mkdir a mount point, and then type: mount -t nfs 192.168.0.5:/path/to/your/shared/folder /your/mount/point |
| 00:52.46 | Vasistha | Acu: also, did you do /etc/init.d/nfs-whatever-it-is restart ? |
| 00:52.46 | giod | arencinosa: Vasistha, it just opened a blank bash |
| 00:53.07 | arencinosa | eshaase: maybe you should try 'apt-get update' first |
| 00:53.26 | Vasistha | giod: does the computer have a stock debian kernel, or did you compile a custom kernel? And, what type of machine is it, a pentium? |
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| 00:54.07 | arencinosa | eshaase: as root (sudo) of course :) |
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| 00:54.15 | giod | Vasistha: stock deb sarge install running on a amd athlon (not 64) |
| 00:54.24 | eshaase | ok |
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| 00:54.55 | Vasistha | giod: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:55.13 | giod | Vasistha: i dont know |
| 00:55.14 | eheil | 2.4 is deprecated. |
| 00:55.35 | Vasistha | eheil: he's using sarge ... heck, he might even have a 2.2 kernel :D but I doubt it |
| 00:56.08 | giod | Vasistha: it was a net install if that helps any |
| 00:56.32 | Vasistha | giod: did you keep it up-to-date? |
| 00:56.44 | giod | Vasistha: no |
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| 00:56.49 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 00:56.50 | arencinosa | giod: could you install again grub? |
| 00:57.00 | arencinosa | giod: can you? |
| 00:57.05 | giod | arencinosa: i dont know how |
| 00:57.18 | giod | arencinosa: but if you can tell me i guess |
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| 00:57.29 | Vasistha | giod: well, I was going to try to play a guessing game to find your kernel and initrd, but if you don't even know what kernel you have on there, that makes it quite a bit more difficult |
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| 00:58.11 | arencinosa | Vasistha: do you think giod is having a 'stage2' problems? |
| 00:58.16 | Vasistha | giod: at this point, I think I would recommend booting up with a liveCD, so we can inspect your filesystem and your menu.lst -- can you boot the computer from a CD? |
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| 00:58.28 | giod | no |
| 00:58.44 | arencinosa | giod: why? |
| 00:58.47 | giod | Vasistha: for some reason its never been able to boot to a live cd |
| 00:58.55 | Vasistha | arencinosa: I have no idea :P I don't know much about this stuff, was just going to try to give him a kernel and initrd command based on a sarge kernel |
| 00:59.04 | Vasistha | giod: have you checked your bios to see if booting from cd is enabled? |
| 00:59.20 | eshaase | ok, i guess i had to isntall g++-4.1 as opposed to just g++ |
| 00:59.21 | giod | Vasistha: im not a computer idot |
| 00:59.22 | Vasistha | arencinosa: but sarge has like 300 different kernels XD |
| 00:59.34 | Vasistha | giod: and not an idiot, either, I hope :P |
| 01:00.12 | Vasistha | giod: hum, well can you boot from a floppy? |
| 01:00.12 | giod | Vasistha: i run 2 servers a hosting company and a big open source website |
| 01:00.21 | giod | Vasistha: no |
| 01:00.35 | giod | Vasistha: no floppy drive of floppys |
| 01:00.50 | arencinosa | giod: what do you have for us? usb? |
| 01:00.54 | Vasistha | giod: can you remove the hard drive and stick it in another box that will boot linux so you can take a look at it? |
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| 01:01.41 | Vasistha | giod: although honestly, arencinosa's idea of reinstalling grub is probably better to try first! |
| 01:01.59 | Vasistha | although... it's going to be difficult to reinstall grub if you can't boot from ... anything ... |
| 01:02.30 | arencinosa | giod: Vasistha: yes, I was thinking about it on this way too |
| 01:02.31 | giod | Vasistha: the only other thing i have that runs linux is my lappy then i have a imac and another desktop which isss rreaally slowww thats just constanly uploading to demonoid to keep my ratio up |
| 01:02.53 | ShiFTKey | is there an equivelent to ctrl-alt-del in debian? |
| 01:02.54 | arencinosa | giod: any windows pc? |
| 01:03.06 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, what's more important, your demonoid ratio or getting this box up and running? |
| 01:03.11 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: well, there's ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:03.12 | giod | Vasistha: i cant boot from cd it just hangs up on any live cd |
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| 01:03.28 | giod | Vasistha: the box |
| 01:03.28 | ShiFTKey | it does nothing |
| 01:03.40 | arencinosa | ShiFTKey: go to a terminal (<Ctrl>+<F1>) |
| 01:03.41 | giod | Vasistha: but it will take a long time to do anything |
| 01:03.53 | arencinosa | ShiFTKey: and then Ctrl+Alt+Del |
| 01:03.56 | ShiFTKey | yea i guess that would work |
| 01:04.00 | ShiFTKey | well |
| 01:04.08 | giod | arencinosa: yes the really slow box uses windows |
| 01:04.09 | Vasistha | giod: well... we've taken a "long time" so far :P and I'm fresh out of ideas. |
| 01:04.13 | ShiFTKey | i want an easy way to bring up the task manager |
| 01:04.16 | eshaase | how come 'g++' doesn't work after apt-get install g++? |
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| 01:04.21 | ShiFTKey | like in winxp |
| 01:04.21 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: try ctrl-esc |
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| 01:04.39 | Vasistha | eshaase: maybe gpp |
| 01:04.39 | giod | Vasistha: well so what should i do |
| 01:05.38 | arencinosa | ShiFTKey: oh! taskmanager!!! |
| 01:05.43 | ShiFTKey | ctrl - esc did noting |
| 01:05.46 | ShiFTKey | yea |
| 01:05.50 | ShiFTKey | i know theres a system monitor |
| 01:06.06 | ShiFTKey | but when something goes wrong, its hard to navigate to the menu |
| 01:06.13 | Vasistha | giod: well, if it were me, I'd look through the garage for a floppy drive :D hehheh, oh well. Uhm, if you had any idea what kernel that machine had, then I would try to guess at it. But it sounds like you don't, so ... I mean, we could try a couple kernel guesses. Do you know what the filesystem type is?? |
| 01:06.52 | Vasistha | giod: oh, here's another thought -- can your desktop boot a livecd? |
| 01:07.31 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: ctrl-esc is a kde hotkey -- what de are you using? |
| 01:07.48 | arencinosa | ShiFTKey: are you trying to scape from ps? |
| 01:08.20 | arencinosa | ShiFTKey: there is a htop that can help you killing processes |
| 01:08.34 | ShiFTKey | im using debian |
| 01:08.35 | ShiFTKey | gnome |
| 01:09.08 | Vasistha | ShiFTKey: yeah, htop is great. you could probably ask #gnome if there's a hotkey to bring up the system monitor or whatever |
| 01:09.43 | ShiFTKey | how do i sue htop |
| 01:09.43 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.49 | ShiFTKey | use* |
| 01:09.52 | Guerin | they wouldn't tell you, lest you become too confused |
| 01:09.54 | giod | Vasistha: the slow box? dont know but even if it could i dont have any cds |
| 01:10.12 | giod | Vasistha: i have a kubunut press cd |
| 01:10.18 | giod | Vasistha: would that work? |
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| 01:11.18 | ShiFTKey | hey i think i found a bug |
| 01:11.29 | Guerin | giod: yes, but if you say it won't boot, it's not much good |
| 01:11.45 | Ciantic | Hmm, can I send multiple mails with separating them in To: field somehow with sendmail? |
| 01:11.56 | giod | Guerin: where talking about a diffrent box |
| 01:12.08 | ShiFTKey | when i try to browse for icons, im not able to select and .png files |
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| 01:12.08 | Guerin | giod: oh. |
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| 01:12.08 | giod | Guerin: its a server that wont boot |
| 01:12.09 | Guerin | !wayttd giod |
| 01:12.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, giod? |
| 01:12.21 | giod | get my server to boot |
| 01:12.21 | ShiFTKey | any* |
| 01:12.33 | Guerin | giod: what's causing it to fail? |
| 01:12.46 | giod | when grub loads it goes to a grub bash |
| 01:13.13 | Guerin | read the grub documentation to figure out how to drive it from the cli |
| 01:13.16 | blackest | can anyone help me create a fstab entry |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | what changed? |
| 01:13.22 | Guerin | blackest: man fstab can |
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| 01:13.38 | Guerin | and WTF is `grub bash'? |
| 01:14.02 | blackest | 192.168.2.5:/media/hdc1/mediashare on /mnt/mp3 type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.2.5) is what mount returns after manually mounting it i just want it to auto mount |
| 01:14.10 | giod | its a BASH-like thingy thats for grub |
| 01:14.29 | nadim | hi - I'm tyring to upgrade to etch and I'm unable to remove a certain package and 'apt-get -f install' isn't helping me -- is there a way to force the uninstall of something (sawfish-gnome) ? |
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| 01:15.03 | Guerin | nadim: post output to paster |
| 01:15.21 | nadim | Guerin: paster ? sorry, command-line ? |
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| 01:15.39 | Guerin | nadim: /msg dpkg paste |
| 01:15.41 | ebil | so any ideas on why 2 linux boxes over gigabit would only transfer at 71Mb/s while between a macbook pro they both run at 600MB/s? |
| 01:15.45 | nadim | ah... |
| 01:16.07 | mfrisch | ebil: same cable? |
| 01:16.23 | ebil | mfrisch, yep |
| 01:16.44 | ebil | all 3 connected to the same switch, just run iperf from linux1 to linux2 = 71Mb/s |
| 01:16.54 | ebil | iperf from either linux to the mbp = 600+Mb/s |
| 01:17.30 | ebil | gig cards on both linux machines are realtek R8169 cards |
| 01:17.33 | nadim | Guerin: both URLs don't resolve - argh... |
| 01:17.44 | ebil | I am so much of a loss it's not even funny |
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| 01:17.48 | Guerin | nadim: try pastie.caboo.se |
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| 01:18.44 | Guerin | nadim: you've used two different units - which do you mean, MB/s or Mb/s |
| 01:18.57 | Guerin | there's a factor of eight difference, which is fairly relevant |
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| 01:19.11 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:19.17 | Guerin | ebil: you, not nadim |
| 01:19.21 | nadim | Guerin: http://pastie.caboo.se/54555 |
| 01:19.24 | bsd | debian 4.0 is out right? |
| 01:19.33 | ShiFTKey | yes |
| 01:19.35 | Guerin | bsd: /msg dpkg releases |
| 01:19.35 | mfrisch | bsd: yup |
| 01:19.41 | bsd | thanks :) |
| 01:20.07 | Guerin | nadim: that package is fux0red |
| 01:20.19 | nadim | Guerin: I'm doing an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and I'm told to do 'apt-get -f install' and I'm in a loop it seems |
| 01:20.31 | ebil | Guerin, sorry, the first 600MB/s was incorrect, I meant Mb/s |
| 01:20.32 | nadim | Guerin: so what do I need to do to remove it and proceed along ? |
| 01:20.40 | ebil | stupid new wireless keyboard, it sucks... |
| 01:20.48 | rahul | nadim: use aptitude |
| 01:20.51 | Guerin | nadim: remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/sawfish-gnome.prerm and try again |
| 01:20.58 | nadim | rahul: it was remove during the upgrade |
| 01:21.05 | Guerin | ebil: cool. That adds up. |
| 01:21.18 | rahul | nadim: ah, broken rm script |
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| 01:21.31 | ebil | Guerin, any ideas about why it would happen though? because it doesn't seem to be a hardware issue... |
| 01:21.36 | rahul | well, broken by changes to other things... |
| 01:21.37 | nadim | Guerin: cool - that's got me moving again :-) |
| 01:21.40 | Guerin | ebil: none. |
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| 01:21.51 | ebil | Guerin, yeah, I've stumped a lot of people with it |
| 01:21.55 | Guerin | nadim: file a bug against sawfish-gnome, if there's not a new package in the repo |
| 01:22.02 | rahul | nadim: you can just edit the script to get rid of the --slave parameter |
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| 01:22.28 | rahul | nadim: should probably just be --remove-all <name> |
| 01:22.39 | Guerin | ebil: if it were a direct connection, i'd guess the loonix boxen are only negotiang 100mb, but since it's through a switch that can't be it |
| 01:22.44 | nadim | rahul: tried that - no go |
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| 01:23.00 | nadim | rahul: I didn't know where the script was to modify - learned something new today :-) |
| 01:23.33 | lubo | hello, i'm running kernel 2.6.8-12-amd64-generic. What do I need to do in order to be able build package for 64. dpkg-buildpackage detects my architecture as : host architecture is i386. thank you |
| 01:23.34 | ebil | Guerin, yeah, the odd thing is that the first box (my desktop, a tyan tiger MPX) gets better connection speeds to the other box (a raid server) if the other box runs a simple 3com 3c905C instead of the gigE card... |
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| 01:23.59 | Vasistha | giod: well, I don't know if that kubuntu is a liveCD, but if it is, it could be helpful. what I would recommend is trying to boot from it, and if it does indeed do a liveCD boot, then go ahead and extract the hard drive from the server and put it in your desktop, boot from the live CD, and we can poke around. Before going to all that trouble, we could stab a couple guesses at the kernel. What would you like to do? |
| 01:25.56 | Vasistha | heh, this problem reminds me of the rube goldberg install |
| 01:26.01 | Vasistha | !rube goldberg |
| 01:26.02 | dpkg | well, rube goldberg is a cartoonist who created crazy complicated contraptions for performing various mundane tasks; see http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm |
| 01:26.11 | Vasistha | humm. |
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| 01:26.21 | Vasistha | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:26.21 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
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| 01:29.29 | Insolit | hi all |
| 01:29.41 | Insolit | anyone here ever played Savage in debian? |
| 01:30.07 | mfrisch | mope |
| 01:30.09 | mfrisch | nope |
| 01:30.11 | Vasistha | !anyone use Savage |
| 01:30.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses Savage, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:32.35 | Mole | whats the best way to list hdds currently installed ? |
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| 01:32.46 | Insolit | cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:32.53 | Insolit | this list all recognized hd |
| 01:33.05 | Insolit | if you want mounted hd, then just "df" |
| 01:33.18 | Mole | i guess /proc/partitions only shows hdds that has partitions? ;) |
| 01:33.34 | yell0w | hey folks, what's on the second debian cd ? |
| 01:33.50 | Vasistha | Mole: well, I don't know if this is the *best* way but you could do: dmesg : grep '[sh]d[a-z]' |
| 01:33.52 | Ronin | yell0w: more stuff ;) |
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| 01:34.02 | yell0w | pfft |
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| 01:34.20 | yell0w | Ronin, thanks, that really clear that up |
| 01:34.32 | Mole | Vasistha : ok thx |
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| 01:34.47 | Ronin | yell0w: did you look on debian.org |
| 01:34.56 | Vasistha | yell0w: do you truly have a compelling reason not to just use the net install cd? |
| 01:35.00 | mfrisch | yell0w: a full cd is only good for installs on machines with no/slow internet |
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| 01:35.24 | yell0w | mfrisch, Vasistha yes |
| 01:35.35 | Ronin | ok ill ask, and that reason is? |
| 01:35.38 | cybermad | i installed Sarge (debian 3.1 r2) on motherboard Gigabyte (GA-M61VME-S2) but the onboard NIC not detected.. :( the NIC is Realtek RTL8201 phy |
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| 01:35.56 | yell0w | Ronin, i don't have an extra network card here with me |
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| 01:36.14 | yell0w | Ronin, unless you can do some hand-waving magic that pop on right in |
| 01:36.15 | Vasistha | cybermad: why are you trying to install 3.1r2 and not 4.0? At any rate, you might get lucky using a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:36.46 | yell0w | man they should have a list of things in each cds so at least people'd know |
| 01:36.51 | Ronin | why do you need two? ahh light just went on |
| 01:36.57 | Guerin | yell0w: shock, they do |
| 01:36.59 | Ronin | yell0w: they do , did you look on debian.org? |
| 01:37.01 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 01:37.01 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:37.01 | mfrisch | yell0w: add any cd you have to your sources do a update then see what you got |
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| 01:37.29 | yell0w | hmmm somehow i couldn't find it |
| 01:37.32 | Ronin | and yell0w nics are cheap, $10 give or take |
| 01:37.58 | yell0w | Ronin, i don't have it with me right now |
| 01:38.14 | cybermad | Vasistha actually i already tried the 4.0 r0 (Etch), but i got problem with it... the problems are: i often got disconnect when connecting to SSH, when i access the web server.. it's very often i can not access it (Page Not Found), and it happen too with FTP Server (Proftpd) |
| 01:38.26 | cybermad | so i think this Etch (4.0 r0) problem |
| 01:38.38 | Vasistha | cybermad: I don't think I would attribute those problems to etch |
| 01:38.40 | Guerin | cybermad: i think pebcak error |
| 01:38.58 | cybermad | ok, that is my 1st time use Etch... because i never got problem before with Sarge |
| 01:39.13 | cybermad | Guerin what is pebcak |
| 01:39.17 | yell0w | Thanks Guerin , mfrisch Ronin Vasistha |
| 01:39.18 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 01:39.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 01:39.40 | cybermad | Guerin i tried ping the server and always got < 1ms |
| 01:39.46 | Sunbow | hehehhe |
| 01:39.56 | Guerin | cybermad: your setup is fux0red |
| 01:40.01 | Vasistha | cybermad: I wonder if you're having trouble with TCP frame size |
| 01:40.30 | cybermad | Guerin sorry for my english... what is fux0red |
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| 01:40.45 | Vasistha | cybermad: oh, that isn't a real word, he just meant "fucked" |
| 01:40.51 | Guerin | cybermad: fucked. Broken. sub-functional. |
| 01:41.08 | cybermad | Vasistha so, what is your suggestion? re-install the OS or re-download then re-install from new source? |
| 01:41.17 | cybermad | new = other source |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | cybermad: how about fixing the install you have? |
| 01:41.26 | yell0w | ahh it's jigdo, i never used it, that's why i don't see the list |
| 01:41.29 | Vasistha | cybermad: my suggestion would be, try fixing your etch configuration |
| 01:41.32 | wing | where can I download amd64 version of debian sarge? is is possible now when etch is out? |
| 01:41.33 | Guerin | if your car fails to start, do you go and buy another one? |
| 01:41.54 | Vasistha | wing: it's possible, but we would recommend etch. CD archives |
| 01:41.58 | mfrisch | Guerin: don't ask my mom that ?? |
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| 01:42.17 | cybermad | Vasistha ok, maybe i will try re-install than fix it :) |
| 01:42.24 | cybermad | Vasistha thanks :) |
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| 01:42.38 | mfrisch | wing: not of sarge ever old testing /unstable maybe |
| 01:42.42 | cybermad | i just install basic system |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | mfrisch: you're not serious. |
| 01:43.04 | cybermad | the others i install from command (for webserver, mysql, etc) |
| 01:43.07 | Vasistha | heh, I dunno about the car thing, but I know a number of people who would buy a new computer if theirs failed to start (without making any attempt to fix it!) |
| 01:43.17 | Guerin | cybermad: wtf is `from command'? |
| 01:43.24 | Vasistha | cybermad: are you installing from a net install cd or,...? |
| 01:43.56 | mfrisch | Guerin: she bought a new car when her old one's check engine light was on. (she drives like a mad man) |
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| 01:44.12 | Acu | I have two computers in the network - is anyway that sitting on one you can see what other computer has shared (like browse network in Windows) ? |
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| 01:44.20 | Guerin | mfrisch: is she USian? |
| 01:44.37 | Vasistha | Acu: soooo.... are you still trying to get nfs working, or have you given up on that? have you tried samba? |
| 01:44.40 | byon | Acu: have you tried samba? |
| 01:44.58 | LV-426 | i keep adding / removing the '#' when apt-getting unstable pkg's .... any smarter way around this ? |
| 01:45.07 | mfrisch | Guerin: she is a alien. too americanized |
| 01:45.12 | Guerin | LV-426: don't install unstable packages |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | mfrisch: some people have too many dollars and not enough sense |
| 01:45.34 | wing | Vasistha: I just want to buils one package on old version... |
| 01:45.37 | LV-426 | ..... i ment the sources line ... |
| 01:46.08 | Guerin | LV-426: I know. The optimal solution is to not mix distros. Especially if you want help in here. If you MUSt, then read man apt_preferences |
| 01:46.16 | Vasistha | wing: I don't quite understand what it is you're trying to do |
| 01:46.18 | cybermad | Vasistha from netinstall |
| 01:46.26 | cybermad | Vasistha netinstall cd |
| 01:46.36 | Vasistha | cybermad: well, did you verify that you have a good burn? |
| 01:46.48 | Acu | I want to use nfs Vasistha: I did not give up. Somehow it is ridiculous that someone needs 5 hours to figure out to share a file... |
| 01:46.51 | cybermad | Guerin sorry for my english... from shell |
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| 01:47.06 | cybermad | Vasistha i dunno.. i get it from my friend |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | cybermad: using the deban package? |
| 01:47.10 | Acu | byon: I know with samba I can use SMB4K |
| 01:47.11 | wing | Vasistha: is not there:-) http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/Debian-3.0/main/ |
| 01:47.33 | Vasistha | Acu: see, that's why I recommended the usb drive if you wanted something fast, now ;-) heh so, last I recall, I asked you to try to mount it as root, without using the gui interface. did you ever try that? |
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| 01:47.35 | cybermad | Guerin what do you mean? |
| 01:47.52 | mfrisch | byon: konqueror speaks network |
| 01:47.58 | Guerin | cybermad: did you install the fucking things using apt, or what? |
| 01:47.59 | wing | Vasistha: one backported package for sarge , will take a while once people switch to etch |
| 01:48.06 | Vasistha | wing: well first of all, sarge is 3.1, not 3.0 (3.0 is woody) |
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| 01:48.17 | LV-426 | Guerin, ...ok .. but some pkg's newer versions take a long time to reach stable ... ( ex 'gaim' 4 example... ) how do u handle those ? |
| 01:48.38 | Vasistha | LV-426: use the old packages, or else use backports |
| 01:48.52 | wing | Vasistha: yes my mistake.. but 3.1 is not there at all |
| 01:49.04 | Vasistha | mentor: I can tell you I sure see a whole lot of people using them all over the place |
| 01:49.06 | cybermad | Guerin i install the webserver, ssh, mysql, proftpd, etc from apt |
| 01:49.12 | Acu | Vasistha: no I did not try mount as root (I am known to be disobedient :) - I wanted to do NFS trough GUI |
| 01:49.14 | byon | Acu: it takes 5minutes for me to figure that with a tutorial |
| 01:49.19 | cybermad | the sources is from http://debian.indika.net.id |
| 01:49.40 | Vasistha | Acu: well, try it with the command line first, so we can help you solve the problem. Once that is working, then maybe we can get it working through the gui. |
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| 01:49.50 | madriss | my x server won't start :( i did apt-get dist-upgrade and it took aaaages and now i get failed to initialize core devices. tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but doesnt seem to help. also keeps saying APM: BIOS not found. but i uninstalled APM so i dont have it.. dunno what thats all about |
| 01:49.58 | Vasistha | Acu: the reason is, the gui seldom gives useful error messages, whereas the command line often does. |
| 01:50.02 | mentor | Vasistha: Like, headphones, rather than a headset |
| 01:50.25 | Acu | Vaistha: great can you tell me again: mount k ....... |
| 01:50.27 | mentor | ? |
| 01:50.28 | Vasistha | mentor: oh, ohh... I dunno :-) |
| 01:50.42 | mentor | neither do I... |
| 01:51.00 | Vasistha | Acu: mount -t nfs 192.168.0.5:/path/to/your/exported/shares /local/mount/point |
| 01:51.13 | Vasistha | mentor: hehe, I gather! :D |
| 01:51.46 | Acu | the text interface implies that you know exactly the share and computer you want to connect - I wanted also to browse around then choose what to connect too --- |
| 01:51.55 | Vasistha | cybermad: I was thinking more in terms of an md5sum on the file you downloaded, and on the disc -- and perhaps even a diff of the burned cd against the iso on the hard drive |
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| 01:52.07 | mfrisch | Guerin: you use jabberd? do you need a seperate proxy for the data transfer? |
| 01:54.04 | mentor | :( |
| 01:54.04 | mentor | :) |
| 01:54.04 | mentor | ? |
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| 01:54.04 | Vasistha | damn |
| 01:54.04 | mfrisch | damm |
| 01:54.04 | mentor | didn't work. |
| 01:54.04 | nomasteryoda | nice split |
| 01:54.04 | nomasteryoda | lol |
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| 01:54.04 | mfrisch | I was asking one of them a ??? ! |
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| 01:54.05 | Vasistha | well, they'll probably notice that something is amiss! |
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| 01:54.05 | parsonsd | herbert! herbert! herbert! |
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| 01:54.06 | wing | can anyone please provide link to amd64 sarge cd..? thank you |
| 01:54.06 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I am kidding |
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| 01:54.08 | mfrisch | wing: there is no such thing! |
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| 01:54.47 | Vasistha | Acu: hey, you're still here |
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| 01:55.25 | mfrisch | you switch isp? |
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| 01:55.38 | Vasistha | Acu: so, uh ... what on earth makes you think that you *shouldn't* try my suggestion, since I believe I have already addressed all of your past, present, and future objections to it? |
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| 01:56.19 | abrotman | Vasistha: i've seen your suggestions .. salmon on liverwurst .. that's just gross |
| 01:56.42 | Vasistha | abrotman: come on, man, you've got to try it! almost as good as putting m&m's inside olives |
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| 01:56.58 | mfrisch | Vasistha: your weird |
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| 01:57.25 | Vasistha | *you're ;-) |
| 01:58.31 | Acu | Vasistha: OK, I got permission denied |
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| 01:58.31 | TCW | hi |
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| 01:58.31 | wing | mfrisch: how about this? why unofficial? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 01:59.09 | TCW | What is that with debian-overflow? |
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| 01:59.09 | Vasistha | Acu: ah, see how useful the command line error messages can be? unfortunately, I'm not really sure what to do next :P but I can take a guess, anyway..... |
| 01:59.09 | Acu | Vasistha: :) |
| 01:59.09 | mfrisch | wing there was no release of amd-64 for sarge etch is the first one. |
| 01:59.38 | Vasistha | Acu: did you already do the /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart |
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| 01:59.48 | wing | mfrisch: thanks ... |
| 01:59.51 | mikey | how can I tell my kernel number? |
| 01:59.57 | Vasistha | mikey uname -r |
| 02:00.04 | mikey | ty |
| 02:00.33 | mentor | Aha. The key might be to ensure that your headphones support a better codec than just the madatory Sub-Band Codec |
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| 02:00.43 | mentor | If anyone cares |
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| 02:01.18 | Vasistha | TCW: when the network gets busy, the debhelper bot (which works for freenode) limits the channel population so as to discourage people who don't *really* need to be here from auto-joining or whatever. |
| 02:01.20 | mikey | only got 2.6.18. Need >2.6.2 for ntfs-3g to work. How can I upgrade? |
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| 02:01.55 | mfrisch | damn!!!! |
| 02:01.56 | Vasistha | mikey: 18 is bigger than 2 |
| 02:01.56 | TCW | anyway, I want to have the _exact_ source for the running kernel (debian kernel 2.6.20) installed as I need to tweak just one option, recompile _exactly_ as it is right now... how do I do that? I installed linux-tree-2.6.20, unpacked linux-source-2.6.20.tar.bz2 and theres a folder kernel-patches... how do I proceed? |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman_ | mikecc: 2.6.18 is way higher |
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| 02:01.57 | mikey | 20 I meant :\ |
| 02:01.57 | mentor | Well, it's actually setup to stop join/part flooding |
| 02:02.01 | mikey | sorry my bad |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman_ | ntfs3g should work with 2.6.18 |
| 02:02.03 | mikey | doesn't |
| 02:02.07 | Guerin | TCW: man make-kpkg |
| 02:02.13 | mentor | At least that's what I remember we set it up for |
| 02:02.15 | mikey | get an error when mount -a |
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| 02:02.58 | hanasaki | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.15 | abrotman | !iptalbes |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:03.19 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 02:03.27 | TCW | Guerin, don't get me wrong, I don't want to use make-kpkg, I am just a bit confused how I get linux-source-2.6.20 to actually "source with debian patches" |
| 02:03.27 | Vasistha | Acu: ah yes, that's something to check too -- make sure your firewall isn't blocking it, on either side |
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| 02:04.07 | TCW | thanks Vasistha, so apparently a nice feature for such fat channels like #debian is :) |
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| 02:04.16 | hanasaki | hey abrotman thanks.. the key is .. i have them running.. but need to debug a ruleset.... |
| 02:04.23 | HYPOCRISY | yo |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | hanasaki: #iptables is pretty helpful (though more helpful during the day EST that i've noticed) |
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| 02:05.01 | abrotman | day .us i guess |
| 02:05.16 | Guerin | TCW: the way to do it is to use make-kpkg |
| 02:05.26 | Guerin | TCW: that's how debian kernel image packages get made |
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| 02:05.37 | abrotman | Vasistha: salmon .. liverwurst .. ick! |
| 02:05.39 | hanasaki | i tried there.. its dead :( and i work all day :( dam i just gotta win the lottery |
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| 02:05.58 | mfrisch | hanasaki: me too ;-) |
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| 02:06.04 | KernDude | hi |
| 02:06.17 | karsten | hanasaki: Be careful what you ask for. |
| 02:06.18 | abrotman | hanasaki: 1 in 1,514,562,,24,,,2,4, chances! |
| 02:06.20 | Vasistha | abrotman: hey man, I'm vegetarian, I don't eat that stuff! (I don't actually like olives or m&m's, either, but I do know people who actually eat those together) |
| 02:06.24 | madriss | which x server video driver should i use for a laptop |
| 02:06.27 | KernDude | is it possible to compile a custom-debain kernel on an other host and simply ~copy that over? |
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| 02:06.39 | mfrisch | Vasistha: vegan? |
| 02:06.42 | Vasistha | madriss: well, that depends what video card is in your laptop |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | madriss: depends on the card inside |
| 02:06.49 | karsten | KernDude: Yes. Might need to cross-compile, depending. |
| 02:06.50 | madriss | thats the problem.. have no idea lol |
| 02:06.50 | Vasistha | mfrisch: no, I eat dairy! |
| 02:06.55 | abrotman | !helixsnack |
| 02:07.00 | abrotman | !helixsnack Vasistha |
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| 02:07.06 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 02:07.06 | KernDude | karsten: cross-compile? |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | ah .. there we go |
| 02:07.15 | madriss | it comes up "sis" to begin with.. but having problems |
| 02:07.20 | karsten | KernDude: If the build host isn't the same arch as the target host. |
| 02:07.21 | mfrisch | Vasistha: me too! my friend farms in southern ohio if you need some phat veggies! |
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| 02:07.35 | KernDude | karsten: ah ok. that's the same. What do one need to copy over? |
| 02:07.50 | karsten | KernDude: /msg dpkg m-k. The built kernel package. |
| 02:07.56 | Vasistha | mfrisch: nice! Thanks for your offer, but I live in Los Angeles, and we have excellent farmers' markets here ;-) However, if I am planning a trip, I will keep that in mind! |
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| 02:08.07 | KernDude | karsten: what about modules? |
| 02:08.12 | TCW | Guerin, I never used make-kpkg for building kernels... since the old days I used make foo bar batz; cp; depmod, reboot (with or without invoking lilo before), so you may understand why I don't want to use make-kpkg NOW :) |
| 02:08.13 | karsten | !kp |
| 02:08.13 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 02:08.21 | karsten | KernDude: That will include the modules as well. |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | where do they grow veggies in LA ? |
| 02:08.35 | mfrisch | Vasistha: he was playing with potato when I was there last |
| 02:08.45 | Hiryu | anyone else having a problem with a _really_ slow desktop (KDE at least in my case) in etch? |
| 02:08.46 | Guerin | TCW: because you want to make a debian kernel. |
| 02:08.47 | karsten | TCW: You're welcome to make additional work for yourself if you want. |
| 02:08.54 | karsten | abrotman: In front of televisions. |
| 02:08.56 | Guerin | TCW: if you already know how to make a kernel, why are you asking us? |
| 02:08.58 | Vasistha | abrotman: they don't -- they drive them in from other counties for the market ;-) |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | Vasistha: and all those gas miles make you feel good ? |
| 02:09.22 | Hiryu | seems my cpu usage in general is extremely high for the most trivial things |
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| 02:09.25 | karsten | abrotman: Actually, LA / Orange / Ventura / Santa Barbara counties were (and are) major ag land, still. |
| 02:09.30 | mfrisch | Vasistha: north cali is awesome! |
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| 02:09.37 | TCW | Guerin, /usr/src/kernel-patches/ <- whats this for? |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | karsten: i grew up in the country .. |
| 02:09.48 | karsten | TCW: Kernel packages. |
| 02:09.54 | abrotman | karsten: i know what a shit pit is :) |
| 02:09.58 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, we can tell. |
| 02:09.59 | Guerin | TCW: it's documented in FTM |
| 02:10.01 | madriss | wow nm i got it working i think :D |
| 02:10.01 | Vasistha | abrotman: nope, but I've gotta eat, and *someone's* gonna be using gas to get food into the city, so it may as well be an organic farmer |
| 02:10.07 | TCW | Guerin, _where_? |
| 02:10.07 | Guerin | mm, TFM |
| 02:10.17 | mfrisch | Vasistha: san louis ipbispo (what ever) had a lot of farms |
| 02:10.17 | Vasistha | mfrisch: indeed, it is! So you live in the midwest? or do you call it the east? |
| 02:10.18 | Guerin | TCW: man make-kpkg should have it |
| 02:10.46 | mfrisch | Vasistha: to you maybe. to abrotman no |
| 02:11.16 | karsten | abrotman: Next think you're going to do is convince me it's good eating. |
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| 02:11.17 | KernDude | karsten: aren't those going to be copied into /lib/modules/ ? |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | i live two hours from the shore! :) |
| 02:11.18 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I am talking a couple of hours up a1a! |
| 02:11.19 | Vasistha | mfrisch: to me, everything's east, except maybe australia ;-) |
| 02:11.25 | jhambo | To get etch on a machine that can only boot via usb floppy you can install with the _old stable_ installer, then upgrade. Thanks to those who helped me figure that out earlier |
| 02:11.35 | karsten | KernDude: If you build a Debian kernel package, you get a package with the kernel, config files, modules, etc. You install that package on the destination host(s). |
| 02:11.46 | karsten | KernDude: Which takes care of the skut-work for you. |
| 02:11.55 | TCW | ATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'. ... nvidia.ko failed to build! <- maybe someone has a glue for that without fiddeling around with the source? |
| 02:12.10 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 02:12.11 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 02:12.19 | Guerin | TCW: yep, that one's easy. Don't use nvidia. |
| 02:12.22 | karsten | TCW: Avoid Nvidia if at all possible. |
| 02:12.30 | Guerin | karsten: stop stealing my lines |
| 02:12.43 | TCW | Guerin, karsten, you are both of _GREAT_ help! |
| 02:12.43 | Hiryu | what's wrong with nvidia? |
| 02:12.46 | Vasistha | mfrisch: one of the best things about california is that we have some of the best raw dairy laws. You can buy raw milk and raw butter at whole foods. Of course, I managed to find it in kentucky as well, where it's completely illegal -- being sold as "pet food" XD |
| 02:12.52 | karsten | Guerin: You're slowing down in your old age. |
| 02:12.57 | Guerin | TCW: glad to be of service. |
| 02:12.57 | karsten | Hiryu: What isn't? |
| 02:13.17 | Vasistha | mfrisch: want to joine #debian-offtopic ? |
| 02:13.17 | Hiryu | karsten: stable faster performing drivers? |
| 02:13.19 | _ericb | I second Hiryu question : what's wrong with nvidia ? |
| 02:13.22 | karsten | Hiryu: Proprietary, incompatible drivers with broken installers, that f*ck up your system, closed specs, GPL violations. |
| 02:13.28 | TCW | Guerin, so I guess you think I should throw the laptop away, just because it has a nvidia card in it? |
| 02:13.30 | KernDude | karsten: thanks |
| 02:13.34 | karsten | KernDude: NP. |
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| 02:13.39 | _ericb | ok karsten, which framebuffer do you recommand ? |
| 02:13.44 | Guerin | TCW: absolutely not. Use nv. |
| 02:13.57 | yell0w | looks like first cd gives me base + gnome already, it's all good all |
| 02:14.02 | smacnay | What is the difference between the gtk2 and regular sylpheed claws? One is written for gtk2 only? |
| 02:14.05 | karsten | TCW: RMA it as insufficient to task. Thinkpads ship w/ ATI. Much better. |
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| 02:14.14 | karsten | _ericb: Sorry? |
| 02:14.20 | Hiryu | karsten: linus seems to be under the impression that nvidia's doing fine, but while I don't like proprietary drivers either, I do like I get the same performaince in linux that I would in linux, and they're far better than ati's drivers |
| 02:14.24 | mfrisch | Vasistha: am there now |
| 02:14.25 | karsten | _ericb: I tend to run kit w/ ATI GPUs myself. |
| 02:14.31 | _ericb | karsten : you said nvidia fuck up your system don't you nvidia. |
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| 02:15.03 | karsten | Hiryu: Linus doesn't object to Nvidia writing its proprietary drivers. However he's also fine with changing the kernel in ways that will break same. And he's not going to support it. |
| 02:15.15 | karsten | _ericb: Clearly you've been paying attention. |
| 02:15.17 | LV-426 | any application level firewall recommendations ? |
| 02:15.31 | karsten | LV-426: shorewall, maybe. They all more or less suck. |
| 02:15.36 | Hiryu | karsten: yes, it's true, linus is not a fan of a stable ABI |
| 02:15.44 | TCW | Guerin, i know that nvidia sucks politically, but ati sucks more, I desperatley wait for nouveau to evolve but till that one is more or less stable I need to use the nvidia drivers... this is not a political decision, it is a requirement! |
| 02:15.48 | karsten | Hiryu: The interface is the source. |
| 02:15.53 | _ericb | karsten sorry to be that rude but no graphics professionnal use ATI. discreet and autodesk systems only ships with nvidia |
| 02:16.15 | Hiryu | karsten: ye |
| 02:16.16 | Hiryu | p |
| 02:16.22 | Szeraax | question, i was running ./configure on some source the other day and it said something about not having "uuid" installed or something. I checked with aptitude and i had "uuidl"(i believe. it may have also been "uuid1") do i need to do something else? i also looked for packages with uuid in name that might work but found none\ |
| 02:16.34 | Guerin | TCW: nothign to do with politics. It's about functionality. nvidia's binary-only shite is horribly broken and has historically left at least one root exploit unresolved in kernel for months |
| 02:16.41 | Guerin | (though I believe they've fixed it now) |
| 02:16.59 | karsten | _ericb: 1. Can you document that fact? 2. Since when am I a graphics professional? |
| 02:17.07 | TCW | Guerin, neverthelles I use the binary drivers since ages and they work here! |
| 02:17.09 | jhambo | Should it be that case that `aptitude search foo` takes way longer than `apt-cache search foo`? |
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| 02:17.16 | karsten | _ericb: You asked what I use and recommend. I answered the question. Go away, you're bothering me. |
| 02:17.24 | Guerin | _ericb: no graphics professionals use any sort of unix other than OSX and mainframes |
| 02:17.26 | TCW | And that is what I need, something "working" |
| 02:17.27 | karsten | jhambo: apt-file search is faster than either. |
| 02:17.42 | Szeraax | can anyone help me out? |
| 02:17.42 | karsten | Guerin: What's OSX run? I thought their GPU was matrox as well. |
| 02:17.49 | karsten | !tell Szeraax about ask |
| 02:17.50 | Guerin | karsten: yes. |
| 02:17.53 | karsten | Guerin: Point. |
| 02:18.02 | Szeraax | i did ask |
| 02:18.04 | karsten | _ericb: How's crow taste? |
| 02:18.05 | Hiryu | I wonder if my cpu is throttled... but /proc/cpuinfo show it's at full speed |
| 02:18.06 | Guerin | TCW: so what's stopping you from installing them? |
| 02:18.06 | _ericb | Guerin sorry to disagree. Discreet have been under irix and is now moving to linux. Discreet ships flame and smoke and thoses are high end online video editing suits |
| 02:18.08 | jhambo | karsten: thanks |
| 02:18.13 | _ericb | suites* |
| 02:18.31 | mustmr | should i download daily or weekly buids of lenny? |
| 02:18.32 | Szeraax | karsten: scroll up and look for szeraax, or i can say it again |
| 02:18.38 | Guerin | _ericb: a fraction of a per cent of a per cent of graphics professionals. |
| 02:18.43 | karsten | Szeraax: sort it out from the makefile / build docs, or if you want, install auto-apt and let it do some magick. |
| 02:18.50 | TCW | Guerin, http://paste.debian.net/25914 |
| 02:18.52 | karsten | Szeraax: Yeah, saw it. |
| 02:18.57 | Szeraax | ok, and thanks |
| 02:19.00 | Guerin | _ericb: i can quote weta digital, who are just down the road, who use red hat, but that don't make it so. |
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| 02:19.25 | Guerin | TCW: how did you compile? |
| 02:19.34 | karsten | Szeraax: Mind: auto-apt is freaky shit. In limited application (eg: building third-party sources) it can be kinda neet. 'auto-apt shell' I think is the command you want. RTFM. |
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| 02:20.25 | giod | YAY i got my server to boot kubuntu |
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| 02:20.35 | TCW | Guerin, just executing the binary-installer? And no, I can't use the stuff from non-free or contrib (nvidia-glx) it is too old |
| 02:20.37 | karsten | !auto-apt |
| 02:20.37 | dpkg | hmm... auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
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| 02:20.40 | giod | so... now to get deb to boot |
| 02:20.43 | Ronin | and thats a good thing giod? you didnt like debian? |
| 02:20.56 | giod | Ronin: no my debian wont boot |
| 02:21.06 | Vasistha | giod: like, a live CD? gee, that's good... so, next step I guess is to do an fscheck on that hard drive |
| 02:21.09 | karsten | Ronin: Sounds like a multiboot install. |
| 02:21.22 | Guerin | TCW: Ok. Complain to nvidia. Or use the debian packages. |
| 02:21.28 | giod | Vasistha: yes the live cd |
| 02:21.39 | Guerin | TCW: now you see the problem: we can';t support it because we can't fix its brokenness. |
| 02:21.44 | giod | Vasistha: how do i mount it |
| 02:22.08 | TCW | Guerin, wrong assumption... but... I don't want to argue about that |
| 02:22.12 | karsten | giod: What's "it"? CDROM? |
| 02:22.24 | giod | karsten: harddrive |
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| 02:22.36 | karsten | giod: What device is it? |
| 02:22.38 | Guerin | TCW: what's wrong about it? You're using the nvidia binary installer. That's not part of debian and may or may not work. In your case, it's not. |
| 02:22.40 | giod | it didnt automatically mount |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | karsten: quote Faith No More ... "What is it? ... It's it .. What is it" |
| 02:22.51 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:22.57 | giod | karsten: well in deb its hd0.0 |
| 02:23.07 | Vasistha | giod: those are *grub* terms |
| 02:23.18 | karsten | giod: For read-only: mkdir /mnt/misc; mount -r -t ext3 /dev/<hd-device> /mnt/misc |
| 02:23.18 | giod | Vasistha: oh |
| 02:23.20 | Vasistha | giod: it is, in all likelihood, hda |
| 02:23.26 | Vasistha | giod: or, rather, /dev/hda1 |
| 02:23.30 | jetscreamer | TCW: note that this is i386 and maybe your install is borked or something i dunno, but |
| 02:23.38 | jetscreamer | get root. kill x. paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN |
| 02:23.41 | karsten | giod: ... assuming ext3 FS. Likely /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 |
| 02:23.50 | giod | karsten: i need to write too |
| 02:24.00 | Vasistha | giod: dmesg | grep '[hs]d[a-g]' |
| 02:24.07 | karsten | giod: Leave out the '-r' or 'mount -o remount,rw /mnt/misc' when you're ready to do same. |
| 02:24.14 | giod | karsten: ext2 i think |
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| 02:24.19 | karsten | giod: ... or 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 02:24.28 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, you probably should mount readonly first, and do a fs check, just in case there is a problem with your fs |
| 02:24.29 | karsten | giod: at this point you want to "man mount" |
| 02:24.39 | karsten | giod: What Vasistha said. |
| 02:24.51 | giod | ok |
| 02:25.07 | TCW | Guerin, it works, it just needs to be tweaked a bit... things change all the time, things break all the time, things need to be fixed all the time... this is just another case of "something broken" and "this is to be done to fix it" both known, the problem and the solution... now comes the part with make-kpkg which I don't like to use, but that may be my fault, prolly my only one in this case. |
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| 02:26.06 | Nilisco | Having trouble getting php working with apache2 in debian. I've done apt-get install apache2 and php5 but still no luck. I've also tried inserting various options from different apache2 tutorials, but nothing seems to work. Any clues or resources I should check out? |
| 02:26.08 | TCW | jetscreamer, here is nothing broken |
| 02:26.19 | TCW | jetscreamer, just something "changed" |
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| 02:26.29 | jetscreamer | then that might work for you |
| 02:26.34 | jetscreamer | might not |
| 02:26.37 | TCW | jetscreamer, what might work for me? |
| 02:26.39 | jetscreamer | does here |
| 02:26.41 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:26.48 | Guerin | TCW: i don't get why you're bugging #debian about this. It's broken. In time, it may be fixed, but we have very limited control over that, since it's proprietary. Until then, it's not our concern. The make-kpkg issue isn't going to make life any easier, necessarily. The smart way (if there is one) to install nvidia is to use m-a. |
| 02:26.49 | jetscreamer | read the second, long, line |
| 02:26.50 | sink_ | hi |
| 02:26.53 | TCW | jetscreamer, what kernel? What driver version? |
| 02:27.26 | Vasistha | Nilisco: are you sure your apache2 daemon is running? |
| 02:27.32 | jetscreamer | see, that would be assuming you had kernel source or the headers |
| 02:27.45 | giod | guys http://pastebin.ca/445768 <--thats what i got on dmesg | grep '[hs]d[a-g]' |
| 02:27.47 | jetscreamer | my god he didn't see my spam |
| 02:28.00 | jetscreamer | tcw do /lastlog jetscreamer in your client |
| 02:28.00 | Nilisco | Vasistha, well, I can get to the default apache page, almost 100% sure it's running. The php code is shown in view source, which is my problem. |
| 02:28.15 | jetscreamer | no trailing space |
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| 02:28.18 | Vasistha | Nilisco: hmm, maybe you're missing the libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 02:28.48 | giod | Vasistha: did you get that |
| 02:28.51 | Vasistha | Nilisco: dpkg -l '*php5*' |
| 02:28.59 | Vasistha | giod: oh, I'll look |
| 02:29.08 | jetscreamer | or scroll up |
| 02:29.14 | jetscreamer | !scroll up |
| 02:29.27 | jetscreamer | hmm yet another useful yet virgin factoid |
| 02:29.37 | TCW | I _need_ 2.6.20.something I _need_ nvidia driver 9631, exactly that one, no other will fit for me, thats a fact. ANother fact is that these two pieces have an issue described in the pastebin I pasted... I have several machines with nvidia cards with several kernels, this is the only combination which has this issue! |
| 02:29.46 | Nilisco | Vasistha, I have that, it shows up as libapache2-modphp5 5.2.0-8+etch1 |
| 02:29.53 | TCW | jetscreamer, I think I've read all you posted |
| 02:30.11 | Vasistha | Nilisco: the line begins with 'ii' correct? |
| 02:30.15 | TCW | jetscreamer, I just wanted to know what driver an kernel you use |
| 02:30.18 | jetscreamer | well change the package version to the one you need... and i don't think you saw the part where i told you how to install the nvidia binary from nvidia.com properly |
| 02:30.27 | jetscreamer | any kernel |
| 02:30.35 | jetscreamer | since 2.6.1 |
| 02:30.45 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 02:30.47 | Guerin | TCW: sucks to be you. Again, Why the FUCK are you complaining to us? |
| 02:30.55 | TCW | jetscreamer, I installed the nvidia binary maybe 200 times in my live, I know how to install that thing... ehh... it is not that hard anyway. |
| 02:31.04 | jetscreamer | i'm on 2.6.20 atm |
| 02:31.10 | Nilisco | Vasistha, correct. There are some other packages listed as un, but I don't htink I need though. pgsql, sybase etc. |
| 02:31.16 | jetscreamer | gf3? |
| 02:31.22 | TCW | jetscreamer, debian kernel or homegrown? |
| 02:31.40 | TCW | Guerin, I like you too... thanks |
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| 02:31.55 | Vasistha | Nilisco: yeah, right, good. Well, did you restart apache2 after installing php5? |
| 02:32.03 | Nilisco | Vasistha, many times. |
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| 02:32.07 | jetscreamer | this particular one is homegrown since kbuild was missing from sources for so long, but works with 2.6.18...16.14.12.. et al |
| 02:32.21 | jetscreamer | since 2.6.1 it's worked for me |
| 02:32.26 | Nilisco | Vasistha, I've tried removing apache and php, deleting configs, reinstalling, nothing seems to help. |
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| 02:32.40 | jetscreamer | if it doesn't work for you probably install the packages i recommended |
| 02:32.50 | Vasistha | Nilisco: oh yeah -- is your browser pointed to http:// vs file:// |
| 02:32.53 | jetscreamer | the installer has gotten more intelligent |
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| 02:33.16 | Nilisco | Vasistha, sure is |
| 02:33.17 | mike1 | ok, I've got (3) NTFS ide hd's that I wish to mount in /media. I placed them all in fstab and the only one that shows up is the last one on the list. |
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| 02:33.56 | giod | Vasistha: so what should i do now |
| 02:34.01 | pedro | Hi, i's like to know the default root shell: is it /bin/sh or /bin/bash ? |
| 02:34.07 | dasenjo | Hi, I just installed a Dell PE 2900 (4.0r0) and can't get or set the date from the hwclock through rtc |
| 02:34.22 | pedro | Debian Etch 4 |
| 02:34.30 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, okay -- well, as you can *probably* conclude, your hard drive is 'hda' and your CD drive is 'hdc' |
| 02:34.38 | giod | yes |
| 02:34.42 | Vasistha | giod: so, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 02:34.44 | giod | i knew that |
| 02:34.44 | cybermad | Guerin where is the best debian sources? i just guessing the problem is the sources |
| 02:34.45 | dasenjo | I have had problems with temporization in asterisk and another apps, can you help me? |
| 02:34.52 | TCW | jetscreamer, great... kbuild is now there for 2.6.20, do me a favour install the debian kernel try to reinstall the nvidia binary thing with that kernel running. You may see that one kernel option will prevent you from compiling the nvidia kernel-module... at least I think so, I think all nvidia drivers will have the same issue as they are all non-gpl... and this kernel option just riggers for non-gpl drivers afaics... |
| 02:35.12 | Vasistha | giod: that will give you partition info. then you should probably to a chkfs on your partitions. |
| 02:35.14 | TCW | triggers even |
| 02:35.53 | giod | Vasistha: cannot open /dev/hda |
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| 02:37.20 | pedro | Hi, i'd like to know the default root shell for Etch4: is it /bin/sh or /bin/bash ? Can someone go to your users-admin app to check ? |
| 02:37.38 | kingsley | Can linux's "mkdir" command create subdirectories on a FAT32 filesystem? |
| 02:38.01 | zinx | yes |
| 02:38.05 | pedro | @kingsley: yes |
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| 02:38.42 | Vasistha | giod: is that the response from fdisk -l ? You'll need to do it as root |
| 02:39.28 | kingsley | pedro: Do you happen to have any idea why subdirectories created with mkdir wouldn't appear when the same FAT32 filesystem is accessed by Windows 98? |
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| 02:40.22 | Vasistha | kingsley: that's kind of odd, actually. it ought to work just fine. |
| 02:40.30 | pedro | @kingsley: do you have any "mkdir" error returned in linux ? Is the Fat32 partition RW ? |
| 02:40.34 | giod | Vasistha: ok i did it with sudo (used to running as root:)) |
| 02:40.35 | zinx | kingsley: did you unmount the filesystem before shutting the disk down/loading up windows? |
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| 02:41.09 | giod | Vasistha: join #flood |
| 02:41.20 | jrsims | anyone installed the madwifi driver for atheros cards? |
| 02:41.22 | Vasistha | giod: so, you could either pastebin it, or if it's really short, you could just type up the relevant info on one line in-channel. I don't really like using #flood |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 02:41.32 | dpkg | methinks madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 02:42.05 | cybermad | Vasistha where is the best debian sources? i just guessing the problem is the sources |
| 02:42.06 | jrsims | abrotman: I'm on etch, though |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | same deal |
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| 02:42.19 | abrotman | just follow the last bit |
| 02:42.23 | giod | Vasistha: to short for pastebin to long for channel |
| 02:42.27 | jrsims | abrotman: so I don't have to build myself? |
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| 02:42.44 | pedro | @jrsims: can you help me ? i'd like to know the default root shell: is it /bin/sh or /bin/bash ? Can you check yours on Etch ? |
| 02:42.50 | Vasistha | cybermad: the sources should all give you the same images. Have you checked the md5sum or the sha1sum or whatever? Have you done a diff on the iso vs the burned cd? |
| 02:42.56 | giod | Vasistha: http://pastebin.ca/445791 |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | jrsims: you don't have to .. no |
| 02:43.05 | Vasistha | giod: thanks ;-) |
| 02:43.15 | jrsims | abrotman: you just made my night. thanks. |
| 02:43.31 | mhall | What is an appropriate program for taking and 80-column ASCII text letter, and printing it, with appropriate customizable page headers, into PostScript, PDF, etc.? Right now I am using KEdit but the header cannot be reconfigured. |
| 02:43.34 | abrotman | jrsims: only if it works :) |
| 02:43.43 | kingsley | pedro: Thanks for asking. The "mkdir" command didn't report any explicit errors, and the "ls" command subsequently found the newly created subdirectories, but I didn't check the status returned. |
| 02:43.52 | cybermad | Vasistha i haven't how to diff? well, i will try google for it |
| 02:44.02 | zinx | pedro: check /etc/default/useradd |
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| 02:44.05 | Vasistha | cybermad: I'll help you in a moment |
| 02:44.16 | Vasistha | giod: ext2.fsck /dev/hda1 |
| 02:44.19 | Vasistha | giod: wait |
| 02:44.29 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, yeah, that should be correct. |
| 02:45.06 | giod | Vasistha: not a command |
| 02:45.10 | kenet | hi |
| 02:45.16 | pedro | zinx: TY ;) |
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| 02:45.21 | Vasistha | giod: as root? maybe just fsck /dev/hda1 |
| 02:45.41 | kenet | can debian be huilt on a usb drive and boot fr it? |
| 02:45.55 | Vasistha | kenet: yes, it can! |
| 02:46.03 | zinx | pedro: it should be noted that /bin/sh is generally a link in debian, and bash when run as /bin/sh interactively may not obey the compatibility stuff it does when run as /bin/sh to run a script |
| 02:46.06 | kenet | great! |
| 02:46.07 | pedro | kingsley, try umount the Fat32 partition after the mkdir and ls, and then go to Win and check it please |
| 02:46.08 | Vasistha | kenet: well, except maybe not -- I don't really know what "huilt" is ;-) |
| 02:46.08 | giod | Vasistha: it worked with fsck |
| 02:46.23 | kenet | Vasistha: install |
| 02:46.44 | Vasistha | giod: so ... did it pass the check alright? Are we content that the filesystem is not corrupt or anything? |
| 02:47.08 | giod | Vasistha: yes it passed heres the output http://pastebin.ca/445797 |
| 02:47.26 | Vasistha | giod: alright, so create a mountpoint and mount the thing, eh? |
| 02:47.38 | giod | yes how do i do that |
| 02:47.38 | kingsley | zinx: That's a good question. As you correctly suspected, I hadn't unmounted the FAT32 filesystem before running Windows98 (under qemu). However, I just umount(ed) it, ran WIndows 98 under qemu again, and "My Computer" still fails to report the newly created subdirectories. Perhaps I should have umount(ed) before running Windows 98 the first time... |
| 02:47.49 | kingsley | pedro: Yes, I agree. |
| 02:47.56 | zinx | kingsley: yes |
| 02:48.23 | zinx | kingsley: two things accessing the same filesystem at once == bad, not unmounting a filesystem before shutting down/etc bad |
| 02:48.32 | jrsims | shoot. Is there a debian book I can buy? |
| 02:48.34 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, that is not exactly an error-free fsck! But it looks like it turned out okay. |
| 02:49.12 | Vasistha | Anyone with knowledge of fsck want to check out giod's pastebin, above? It cleared a bunch of orphaned inodes, but I *think* it's all okay now... would love to hear an "expert" confirm... |
| 02:49.13 | zinx | kingsley: your "mkdir" is cached until the kernel decides it needs to write it, or you explicitly tell it to write it.. there's some other stuff that's also written when unmounting, so if you're going to use the same filesystem somewhere else, it's best to unmount it |
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| 02:49.45 | kingsley | pedro & zinx:I just shut down Windows98 and qemu, mounted the filesystem, and the "ls" command still sees the newly created subdirectories. |
| 02:50.10 | pedro | zinx: but /etc/default/useradd is for a default "user". As for root user, does it obey to this file too upon inicial instalation creation ? |
| 02:50.23 | Vasistha | giod: well, anyway, the main point is that it says it's clean. so mkdir /mnt/debroot; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/debroot |
| 02:50.32 | cybermad | Vasistha so? |
| 02:50.33 | zinx | pedro: who knows, check which shell root has on your system |
| 02:50.34 | cybermad | :) |
| 02:50.39 | zinx | pedro: should be in /etc/passwd |
| 02:50.47 | Vasistha | cybermad: hehe, oh, sorry, forgot about you! alright, let's see |
| 02:51.12 | Nilisco | Upon installing libapache2-mod-php5 - "Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you." Default installs, anyone ever experience this? |
| 02:51.17 | Vasistha | cybermad: oh yes, so, you still have the net install iso on your hard drive, right? |
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| 02:51.34 | cybermad | yes.. Vasistha in my windows xp harddrive |
| 02:51.38 | giod | Vasistha: ok so its mounted |
| 02:51.50 | zinx | kingsley: i'm not incredibly clear on your problem at this point, but it's entirely possible that you've corrupted your filesystem by having it mounted in two operating systems, at this point |
| 02:51.53 | pedro | zinx... i changed it to /bin/false and minuts later, i was not sure of the original one :( |
| 02:52.06 | zinx | pedro: well, it can be anything. just make it /bin/sh |
| 02:52.20 | zinx | pedro: using chsh preferably. |
| 02:52.38 | Vasistha | cybermad: oh. damn. well, it's difficult to do a diff with xp. But you ought to be able to get an md5sum. Remember where you downloaded the iso? There should also be a file there called MD5SUMS on that server. You should grab that file, and do an md5sum on the iso on your hard drive, and make sure they're the same. |
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| 02:53.08 | Vasistha | giod: cd /mnt/debroot/boot; ls |
| 02:53.08 | giod | Vasistha: so now what do i do |
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| 02:53.27 | jrsims | abrotman: hey, looks like the build worked. for kicks, I restarted (though not sure I needed to). Anyway, do you know how I can check to see if it is working? |
| 02:53.35 | kingsley | zinx: Thank you for your concern. I share it, and already ran scandisk under windows98, without result. But that was before unmounting, so I'll run dosfsck now. |
| 02:53.45 | Vasistha | giod: do you see a vmlinuz-2.x.x? and an initrd with the same version? Do you see more than one? |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | jrsims: is the module loaded ? |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | jrsims: ifconfig should show ath0 |
| 02:54.05 | jrsims | k |
| 02:54.22 | cybermad | Vasistha where i can get the MD5SUMS |
| 02:54.27 | jrsims | abrotman: yes, I see it there |
| 02:54.46 | zinx | kingsley: just make sure you only have it mounted in one operating system at a time from now on - even a short overlap can be catastrophic - in your case, that probably means unmounting before running qemu, and re-mounting after qemu has exited fully |
| 02:54.57 | coolzone | Hi all! I am running debian testing on a machine with 1.5 GB ram. In dmesg I get this: "Use a HIGHMEM enabled kernel." and "Warning only 896MB will be used." I am running with kernel 2.6.18-4-468, do anyone know why I get this message and why my entire ram isn't used? |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | jrsims: sounds like it is working .. jsut need to configure it |
| 02:55.18 | kingsley | zinx: Ah-ha! dosfsck reports "Free cluster summary wrong". |
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| 02:55.42 | jrsims | abrotman: know what tools I should use? |
| 02:55.46 | kingsley | zinx: Yes, I'm considering writing a script to umount before running qemu |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | !tell jrsims about interfaces |
| 02:55.54 | pedro | kingsley: are you doing that dosfsck with the Windows accessing the partition ? |
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| 02:56.04 | giod | Vasistha: where am i supposed to see it at? |
| 02:56.14 | Vasistha | giod: cd /mnt/debroot/boot; ls |
| 02:56.15 | kingsley | pedro: Thanks for asking. No, I'm not. |
| 02:56.16 | vnm | hi, what means this? ERR: authdaemon: s_connect() failed: Connection refused |
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| 02:56.34 | vnm | do I have a missing package or a missing lib? |
| 02:56.48 | vnm | it's when doing telnet localhost 106 |
| 02:56.50 | Vasistha | cybermad: from any mirror, they should all be the same |
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| 02:57.14 | kingsley | zinx: The script would also be a good time to load qemu's accelerator module. |
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| 02:57.39 | giod | Vasistha: it cds to that directory and thats it |
| 02:57.51 | Vasistha | giod: what files are in that directory? |
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| 02:58.04 | giod | Vasistha: how do i see the files? |
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| 02:58.53 | giod | Vasistha: just kidding im there |
| 02:59.05 | jrsims | abrotman: let's say I want to scan for local networks and choose one to connect to. Are there programs you can recommend for that? I did install wifi radar, but I'm not sure how to get it to work. Sorry, noob city over here. |
| 02:59.12 | nadim | Guerin: thanks - back to normal on etch ! |
| 02:59.29 | Vasistha | giod: ls |
| 02:59.31 | inFw | jrsims: on wifi? |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | jrsims: wireless-tools or something .. iwlist or iwconfig |
| 02:59.40 | vnm | is an apt-get dist-upgrade from sarge to etch recommended? |
| 02:59.47 | vnm | or...not a good idea |
| 02:59.49 | jrsims | inFw: yes |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | use aptitude .. but it should work |
| 02:59.52 | vnm | as it can b0rk * |
| 02:59.53 | giod | Vasistha: what? |
| 02:59.56 | vnm | k |
| 03:00.01 | wols | vnm: no. read the etch release notes |
| 03:00.12 | Vasistha | giod: dude, the command is called 'ls' -- that's how you list files in linux. Have you ever used linux before?? |
| 03:00.24 | inFw | jrsims: look at what abrotman said ^_^. Also, I have used kismet to show networks before but it's a little overkill |
| 03:00.26 | giod | yes all the time |
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| 03:00.38 | giod | Vasistha: just never use shell that much |
| 03:00.48 | giod | but yea ls dosent do anything |
| 03:00.50 | jrsims | inFw, abrotman: I have those things installed |
| 03:00.56 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 03:00.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | so use them! |
| 03:00.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.44 | Vasistha | giod: are you saying that the /boot directory is empty? |
| 03:01.46 | inFw | jrsims: then iwlist eth0 scanning <-- or whatever you interface is |
| 03:01.58 | kingsley | pedro & zinx: You may be interested to know that after using dosfsck to repair "Free cluster summary wrong", the "ls" command no longer reports either the newly created subdirectories or their parent directory. |
| 03:02.04 | inFw | and a man iwlist, man iwconfig will help a lot, imho ;) |
| 03:02.05 | giod | Vasistha: no im in the boot directory in konqueror |
| 03:02.24 | Vasistha | giod: or, excuse me, the /mnt/debroot/boot folder |
| 03:02.24 | jrsims | inFw: these are CLI tools for connecting to wireless nets? |
| 03:02.27 | giod | but if i type ls in the shell it dosent do anything |
| 03:02.39 | giod | oh wait |
| 03:02.46 | giod | it says grub |
| 03:02.48 | Vasistha | giod: "doesn't do anything" is not descriptive of what it is, or is not, doing |
| 03:02.52 | giod | in reeealllllly dark blue |
| 03:02.59 | giod | couldnt see it |
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| 03:03.15 | Vasistha | giod: unalias ls |
| 03:03.19 | inFw | jrsims: in CLI you basically see what AP you have with iwlist, configure the wifi card with iwconfig and then dhclient or something similar (most networks are dhcp based nowadays) |
| 03:03.21 | insolit2 | hi again |
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| 03:04.01 | giod | Vasistha: yea it says grub |
| 03:04.04 | inFw | I personally have never used a graphical manager, and use wpa_supplicant to connect to the college encrypted networks, but probably such tools exist. |
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| 03:04.16 | insolit2 | i'm building a live-cd, and now i'd like to have portuguese language support at boot time. What do i need to change in mine minirt in order to get that? |
| 03:04.32 | insolit2 | s/mine/my |
| 03:04.43 | Vasistha | giod: well, the fact that there are not any kernel images in your boot directory is definitely a problem. What's in the grub directory? |
| 03:04.51 | jrsims | inFw: ok, thanks for giving me places to start. |
| 03:05.20 | Nilisco | How can I check what version of debian I'm running? |
| 03:05.51 | giod | Vasistha: device.map e2fs_stage1_5 fat_stage1_5 jfs_stage1_5 menu.lst menu.lst~ minix_stage1_5 reiserfs_stage1_5 stage1 stage2 xfs_stage1_5 |
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| 03:05.55 | inFw | no problem jrsims. |
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| 03:06.10 | jrsims | inFw: ah, one more question - will iwconfig save my config, or do I need to setup a script to run the config at boot? |
| 03:06.23 | Vasistha | giod: alright, well that's as expected, however, unfortunately, it looks like you do not have a kernel installed. I'm not quite sure what to do here... |
| 03:06.54 | inFw | hum.. Mine doesn't, but I need to connect to two diff networks so I just use a specific script to connect so haven't tried to save it |
| 03:07.38 | giod | Vasistha: how can a kernel just disapear |
| 03:07.52 | Inc | hey, how do I get rid of this junk? |
| 03:07.53 | jrsims | inFw: ok, cool. |
| 03:07.56 | Inc | enlightenment1 cvs: cvs [rlog aborted]: received broken pipe signal |
| 03:07.58 | Vasistha | giod: well, perhaps it was in one of those inodes that was "cleaned" :P |
| 03:08.02 | Inc | Message from syslogd@enlightenment1 at Tue Apr 17 19:52:49 2007 ... |
| 03:08.19 | giod | hmmm well what caused that |
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| 03:08.43 | giod | Vasistha: hmmm well what caused that |
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| 03:08.53 | Inc | no, I want to get rid of the syslogd messages |
| 03:08.57 | Inc | that fill up my terminal |
| 03:09.56 | giod | Vasistha: could a server user somehow delete the kernel |
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| 03:10.20 | Vasistha | giod: uhm, I certainly hope not! who knows, maybe someone cracked your box :P |
| 03:11.08 | Lovecraft | The fetchmail deamon stuffed it under his mattress. |
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| 03:11.59 | giod | Vasistha: well its a server so i dont know |
| 03:12.20 | giod | Vasistha: i run a free webhost and it had about 25 users running on it |
| 03:12.35 | insolit2 | can someone tell me how to a specific language support when building a miniroot? |
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| 03:13.01 | giod | Vasistha: well i just back up the entire filesystem to a xdrive and reinstall |
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| 03:13.23 | Vasistha | giod: maybe, but I'm somewhat concerned your disk may be failing |
| 03:13.48 | giod | Vasistha: i dont think so |
| 03:14.10 | Vasistha | giod: well, do you have an explanation for all those orphaned inodes? |
| 03:14.11 | giod | Vasistha: doesnt show any sighns of a failling disk |
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| 03:14.25 | giod | Vasistha: hmmm nope |
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| 03:15.46 | Vasistha | giod: well... uhm, that's a sign of a failing disk ;-) |
| 03:16.09 | kdean06 | Could someone help me troubleshoot an X problem? I'm using an nVidia GeForce 7600 GS... When I use anything other than the vesa driver, the screen drops off, as if it's out of range and/or no monitor is connected. |
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| 03:17.23 | giod | Vasistha: how do i delete in shell |
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| 03:17.36 | Vasistha | giod: rm |
| 03:17.46 | Vasistha | giod: *be* *careful* |
| 03:17.51 | giod | yes i know |
| 03:18.04 | giod | rm -f / |
| 03:18.14 | giod | or what ever it is |
| 03:18.22 | Vasistha | heh, fortunately, I don't think that will actually do anything |
| 03:18.42 | inFw | just another letter and *BOOM* |
| 03:19.17 | Vasistha | heh, I'd like to try doing that with a live CD sometime :D |
| 03:19.27 | inFw | lol markybob |
| 03:19.50 | giod | Vasistha: hmm that wont work on a dir |
| 03:20.05 | giod | Vasistha: how do i delete a directory in shell |
| 03:20.15 | Vasistha | giod: rmdir |
| 03:20.36 | Vasistha | giod: why are you wanting to remove stuff?? |
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| 03:21.00 | giod | Vasistha: the whole filesystem is too big to fit on x drve |
| 03:21.10 | Guerin | giod: i thought you were a network admin? |
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| 03:21.18 | Vasistha | giod: so you want to *remove* parts of it? That's unwise. |
| 03:21.46 | giod | Vasistha: im not wanting it to run off that fs agian |
| 03:21.56 | giod | Vasistha: its just for backup |
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| 03:22.39 | Vasistha | giod: okay, well removing stuff is still unwise, especially if the disk is failing. You should mount it read-only and get the most important stuff (*cough* /home *cough* /etc) first |
| 03:23.42 | kdean06 | If it's a server you'll want /var too. :) |
| 03:23.44 | giod | Vasistha: /var is more important to me |
| 03:24.13 | Vasistha | giod: so, just copy those things to your xdrive or whatever. do them one by one if need be. |
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| 03:24.35 | markybob | i dont understand how you even know what /var is without knowing how to delete stuff. that's just mind blowing |
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| 03:25.06 | Azar | I had someone in deleting my /var guess what... got to reinstall :) |
| 03:25.43 | inFw | markybob: gives a whole new sense to the words server administration, doesn't it? |
| 03:26.01 | Azar | ITeeeheeee |
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| 03:26.09 | kdean06 | That is a creepy thought. :) |
| 03:26.10 | markybob | inFw: makes me worry :) |
| 03:26.11 | adu | i still don't know what /var is for |
| 03:26.15 | red_ | has anyone ever installed mysql4.1 on etch? |
| 03:26.20 | adu | i usually stick with /etc, /home, and /usr |
| 03:26.25 | adu | anyhting else is greek to me |
| 03:26.45 | kdean06 | adu, Variable data.. Logs, databases, mail queues.. |
| 03:26.50 | Acu | I think I know what Debian misses the most: 1) Video Tutorials 2)Advertising - I thought when Etch is released everyperson in the world will know it! - I even did not noticed the change on the frontpage of Debian changing 3.0 with 4.0 - that is barely any help |
| 03:27.04 | adu | kdean06: ok :) |
| 03:27.10 | insolit2 | how do i compress to gz? |
| 03:27.15 | Vasistha | red_: aptitude |
| 03:27.27 | kdean06 | Acu, The idea that Debian needs advertising means the goal is mass adoption, and I don't think that's the goal at all. |
| 03:27.31 | red_ | Vasistha: ?? |
| 03:27.32 | adu | 'gzip something' |
| 03:27.33 | Vasistha | insolit2: gzip |
| 03:27.37 | giod | adu: like all webpages for a apache server go in /var/www |
| 03:27.45 | kdean06 | By default. :) |
| 03:27.49 | adu | usually deletes 'something' and you'll see 'something.gz' in its place |
| 03:27.50 | markybob | giod man tar |
| 03:28.11 | red_ | When I apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 I get mysql-server-5.0 as one of the dependent packages ... |
| 03:28.32 | kdean06 | red_, Mixing repos? |
| 03:28.42 | Azar | adu: get a general education : http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 03:28.47 | Acu | I think that even some non-profersional programmers should be allowed to pitch in some skills and time -- kdean06: what is the alternative ? |
| 03:29.10 | adu | i perfer http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 03:29.16 | Azar | Acu: Debian has lots of online manuals, it has the man, there are howto's |
| 03:29.20 | kdean06 | Acu, I use Debian because of the DFSG... If Debian abandons that... You don't need to advertise Freedom. |
| 03:29.37 | kdean06 | Just emphasize. :) |
| 03:30.15 | Azar | Acu: I am running Debian linux as a hobby, I am not a professional or a programmer, I like to learn stuff |
| 03:30.15 | dondelelcaro | adu: /var is for files which change and are machine specific. |
| 03:30.19 | kdean06 | Anyone here using AMD64 Etch with an nVidia card? |
| 03:30.32 | dondelelcaro | adu: it's similar to /etc, but does not contain configuration files. |
| 03:30.39 | kdean06 | using nv or nvidia, doesn't matter. :) |
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| 03:30.57 | Azar | kdean06: about to install the nvidia driver? |
| 03:31.12 | Acu | so it seem that Debian is another esoteric tool with less practical end? |
| 03:31.22 | kdean06 | Azar, No, I've got them all. But my display "dies" when using nvidia or nv, it only seems to work with vesa. |
| 03:31.42 | adu | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 03:31.42 | dondelelcaro | Acu: you probably use systems which use Debian and don't even know it. |
| 03:31.43 | Fenix-Dark | by default, does debian 4.x have any wierd cron jobs? |
| 03:31.45 | kdean06 | Acu, How practical is a tool that you must use for something OTHER than what you intend on building? |
| 03:31.50 | Fenix-Dark | going to install it on a new server |
| 03:31.52 | dondelelcaro | Fenix-Dark: by default? |
| 03:31.53 | quarkhead | OK, i have read and read but i do not get it. im having trouble setting up my network so i can wiew my websites from the local computers browser. on server i have installed dnsmasq and enabled listen-address=127.0.0.1. the hosts file contain: 127.0.0.1 localhost loopback and 5* 192.168.1.102 myweb.servebbs.org myweb. Apache2 contains 5 namebased config files i sites-enabled. ip my the physical net is connected like this: isp<->adsl/router(19 |
| 03:32.08 | dondelelcaro | Fenix-Dark: the most minimal system doesn't even have cron, so no. |
| 03:32.11 | Azar | kdean06: have you used the nvidia one-liner from here, or installed from nvidia's site? |
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| 03:32.44 | Azar | kdean06: look |
| 03:32.47 | Azar | !nvidia installer |
| 03:32.48 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia one-liner> instead |
| 03:32.49 | Fenix-Dark | dondelelcaro, ok, the server's current rhel 4.x has some annoying stuff by default, some cron job that kept screwing up iptables 'n such |
| 03:33.08 | dondelelcaro | Fenix-Dark: but you can easily check them all out in /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.d and /etc/cron.{daily,hourly,weekly,monthly}/ |
| 03:33.18 | kdean06 | Azar, If it doesn't sound like a cop out, both. I compiled from the beta on the site, from source in the repos and using the binary... For my kernel/module I prefer to roll my own, as I use K(b)VM |
| 03:33.24 | Fenix-Dark | dondelelcaro, yea i know, but it shouldn't be necessary |
| 03:33.27 | markybob | fuck. rhel makes my skin crawl |
| 03:33.32 | Vasistha | red_: oh yeah, hmm, it looks like mysql 4.1 is not in etch. Sorry I answered :P dunno if it's possible |
| 03:33.59 | kdean06 | Azar, Honestly, I'm more concerned with the nv driver, NOT the nvidia... But I hope that getting a working config file will help me solve thisl. |
| 03:33.59 | dondelelcaro | Fenix-Dark: yeah, that'd be a bug if it happened on a Debian system. |
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| 03:35.40 | kdean06 | To make it worse, X.0.log shows NOW errors, and the only warnings include font paths. |
| 03:36.01 | Acu | dondelelcaro: by now, almost all systems I use are Debian, or you meant DVD recorders or palmpilot? - However, once again, release of Etch should have been something grand, "Let the freedom bell ring" |
| 03:36.04 | quarkhead | anyone please help out! :( |
| 03:36.25 | dondelelcaro | Acu: feel free to run full page ads if it makes you feel good |
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| 03:36.55 | Acu | Vasistha: thanks I just made that nfs connecting - now that I know it - it should less than 2 minutes |
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| 03:37.17 | jetscreamer | #nvidia |
| 03:37.20 | Vasistha | Acu: congrats! I'm off to make dinner ;-) |
| 03:37.22 | insolit2 | gonna try my luck again, anyone knows how to build a minirtd with specific language support? |
| 03:37.25 | Acu | dondelelcaro: I am planning to make a Debian Flag - Huge |
| 03:37.40 | Acu | Vasistha: bon apetite |
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| 03:38.35 | Acu | anyhow, this were some thoughts off the hardcore technical notes |
| 03:39.16 | Azar | kdean06: well if is a custom thing, then I do not know... sorry |
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| 03:39.38 | Nilisco | Is there a command to check what version of debian I'm running? |
| 03:39.51 | kdean06 | Nibbier, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:39.56 | kdean06 | I think... |
| 03:39.58 | Nilisco | I thougt I had sarge, but apparently I have some etch packages installed, gettingconfused |
| 03:40.12 | Nilisco | 4.0, well, that's pretty darn strange |
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| 03:40.20 | Azar | Nilisco: when etch came out as stable you did not changed your sources.. |
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| 03:40.37 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 03:40.43 | kdean06 | Nibbier, Check /etc/apt/sources.list. If you see "Etch" or "Stable" you'e pulling from Etch. |
| 03:40.45 | Nilisco | oh, didn't know it was as easy as that. |
| 03:40.47 | Azar | everytime a new release emerges you have to specify the source you want to stay with |
| 03:40.57 | Nilisco | thanks for the information then! |
| 03:41.00 | Guerin | Azar: unless you specified it right the first time |
| 03:41.10 | Azar | Nilisco: use "sarge" or "etch" |
| 03:41.12 | daeos | anyone here ever used kismet on etch ? |
| 03:41.21 | Azar | Guerinnnnn!! :) |
| 03:41.31 | Nilisco | I'll try my other question one more time- Anyone know why I can't get php5 running with apache2? I've apt-get installed both of them, but no luck on the php front. Just shows the php code in source. |
| 03:41.59 | Guerin | daeos: /msg dpkg anyone use kismet on etch? |
| 03:42.02 | kdean06 | There's benefits to using either... For desktop systems I prefer "testing" to keep the lastest across releases. Servers I like much more control of, so I use codenames (Sarge, Etch) |
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| 03:43.15 | Azar | kdean06: is not big deal really: the repository name you put on sources there from where apt feeds |
| 03:43.40 | jetscreamer | !eat |
| 03:43.45 | jetscreamer | yuck |
| 03:43.55 | Azar | so, if you had "stable" stanza on your sources.list, and .... etch became the stable one.... apt will feed now from etch |
| 03:44.13 | kdean06 | Azar, They're aliased, so it doesn't matter so much. But like him, I'd be horrified if my server suddenly jumped versions. :) |
| 03:44.52 | Azar | kdean06: that why you keep an eye on them when a new release aproaches and use "toyname" rather than "stable", "testing" |
| 03:45.22 | Azar | kdean06: right now , testing is "lenny" |
| 03:45.43 | kdean06 | I understand that. I've been managing them since Woody was a hot new craze. :) |
| 03:45.59 | Azar | woody was something, man.. |
| 03:46.18 | Azar | in fact.. |
| 03:46.32 | Azar | I liked woody so much, I kept installing it 57 times |
| 03:46.34 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 03:46.47 | daeos | Guerin: thanks for your most direct answer of all answers you have given me, out of all of your answers in the past, this takes the cake |
| 03:46.48 | Azar | jetscreamer: now THAT'S love |
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| 03:47.26 | Azar | Guerin is one of a kind... don't take him for granted |
| 03:47.59 | kdean06 | Ohkay, I'm getting a tad pissed at this card... I just realized it's also past the refund window. :( |
| 03:48.05 | karsten | daeos: poll questions get old. Just ask your question. Realize you've got a money-back guarantee on #debian. |
| 03:48.11 | jetscreamer | #debian needs mwilson |
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| 03:48.19 | karsten | daeos: I use kismet, sometimes, couldn't say I'm an expert. |
| 03:48.27 | karsten | jetscreamer: Oh dear. |
| 03:48.28 | Guerin | daeos: i'm pleased. Now, ask your question! |
| 03:48.29 | daeos | after installing Kismet on etch, my kismet.conf is not installed and i've asked in #kismet but have not been given any reply |
| 03:48.41 | karsten | daeos: RTFM. |
| 03:48.46 | Guerin | daeos: kismet.conf isn't there by default |
| 03:48.50 | karsten | daeos: There's a kismet.conf in /etc. Edit it. |
| 03:48.58 | daeos | karsten: yeah, its not there |
| 03:49.05 | karsten | daeos: If it's not there, there should be a template in /usr/share/doc/kismet |
| 03:49.11 | Guerin | daeos: you can specify all the stuff you need on the command line or look in /usr/share/doc/kismet/ |
| 03:49.11 | jetscreamer | mwilson for DPL! |
| 03:50.08 | karsten | jetscreamer: What was the story on mwilson again? Those memories ahve been supressed. |
| 03:50.32 | karsten | daeos: Nothing in /etc/kismet? |
| 03:50.56 | daeos | nope |
| 03:50.59 | daeos | other than |
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| 03:51.10 | daeos | let me see whats physically there |
| 03:51.18 | daeos | cause im doing a locate kismet |
| 03:51.32 | daeos | and looking at the paths |
| 03:51.33 | daeos | and kismet.conf is missing |
| 03:51.38 | karsten | daeos: /usr/share/doc/<package> and /etc/<package>/ are your friends. |
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| 03:52.31 | daeos | ap_manuf client_manuf kismet_drone.conf kismet_ui.conf |
| 03:52.42 | daeos | thats what is in /etc/kismet |
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| 03:53.06 | karsten | jetscreamer: mwilson You do have to actually learn how to read, though. |
| 03:53.11 | karsten | jetscreamer: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/20040418.html.gz |
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| 03:56.39 | daeos | karsten: your "daeos: /usr/share/doc/<package> and /etc/<package>/ are your friends." is helpful, but in README.Debian, its says 1) edit /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 03:56.43 | daeos | thus |
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| 03:56.51 | daeos | i do, as i was doing before |
| 03:57.02 | daeos | and /etc/kismet/kismet.conf does not exist |
| 03:57.06 | daeos | i've removed kismet |
| 03:57.09 | daeos | and reinstalled |
| 03:57.18 | daeos | and it still is not placed there |
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| 03:57.39 | karsten | daeos: 'dpkg -L kismet | grep /etc' shows the file as part of the package. |
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| 03:58.15 | karsten | daeos: are you sure you didn't delete it? I've got 2006.04.R1-1.1 installed. |
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| 03:58.19 | krenin | Yay for "etch"! |
| 03:58.24 | karsten | daeos: Try reinstalling. What Debian release are you on? |
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| 03:59.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell daeos -about confmiss |
| 04:00.11 | daeos | etch |
| 04:00.19 | daeos | but i do not know the version # |
| 04:00.42 | daeos | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 04:00.44 | daeos | that one |
| 04:01.04 | daeos | karsten: i've reinstalled 3 times |
| 04:01.46 | karsten | daeos: What dondelelcaro said. |
| 04:02.18 | karsten | daeos: Alternatively you can extract the files from the archive with 'mc' or simply unpack the deb manually. |
| 04:02.25 | karsten | daeos: I've gotta split. Good luck. |
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| 04:03.04 | jetscreamer | he didn't care much when ppl did things for no reason? |
| 04:03.04 | jetscreamer | and didn't mind sharing? |
| 04:03.06 | jetscreamer | try updatedb first |
| 04:03.08 | jetscreamer | then locate |
| 04:03.47 | daeos | karsten: thanks |
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| 04:06.27 | quarkhead | how do i check if a file is a symlink or a realfile in bash |
| 04:06.50 | guru | is anyone in here fairly well-versed with regard to the internals of kernel debugging from the end-user standpoint? |
| 04:07.10 | Techdeck | quarkhead, help test |
| 04:07.18 | guru | quarkhead: ls -l file |
| 04:07.26 | enouf | quarkhead: you could stat it or ls -l it |
| 04:07.35 | Techdeck | no, bash has an option for it |
| 04:07.51 | quarkhead | i did ls -l bur they all seem like? |
| 04:07.56 | quarkhead | but |
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| 04:08.30 | Techdeck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:08.39 | Techdeck | [[ -h "filehere" ]] && echo "file is a symlink" || echo "file is something else" |
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| 04:09.18 | Techdeck | or -L |
| 04:09.47 | Azar | quarkhead: see chapter 4.8.2.1 near the bottom of the page: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html |
| 04:09.56 | guru | is there a way to enable kernel debugging without recompiling the kernel? i'm [apparently] getting a kernel panic randomly and i'd like to examine the stack when this occurs so i can find out what is causing it. my machine locks up and is unresponsive to anything (keyboard, mouse, ssh, etc) |
| 04:10.23 | enouf | guru: you may want to try ##kernel (here) or #kernelnewbies of oftc.net |
| 04:10.46 | Nilisco | I feel like an idiot. Php wasn't running because I was missing one line in my apache.conf :) |
| 04:10.55 | guru | enouf: i wasn't sure if there were any debian-specific options available, but thanks for the info, i'll check it out |
| 04:13.28 | markybob | Nilisco: dont feel bad... idiots dont learn. now you have |
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| 04:14.23 | enouf | guru: also see in kernel documentation /sysrq.txt file, though i haven't done debugging, also look at gdm http://sourceforge.net/projects/kgdb .. i know the installer has BOOT_DEBUG= level options {1-4, IIRC} |
| 04:14.36 | guru | enouf: does my description sound like a kernel panic or could that be the cpu? i know when a cpu shuts down due to the bios detecting the cpu temp is too high that the same thing could occur |
| 04:14.49 | enouf | s/also look at gdb* |
| 04:15.04 | Techdeck | guru it sounds like a hardware problem |
| 04:15.14 | Techdeck | usually the kernel doesn't panic randomly |
| 04:15.30 | guru | Techdeck: to me it's random, but it may very well be non-random |
| 04:15.39 | enouf | guru: is that an HP laptop by chance? |
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| 04:15.53 | MarLaw | Hello all |
| 04:16.01 | Techdeck | guru, perhaps 'dmesg' has some info |
| 04:16.10 | Techdeck | or /var/log/dmesg |
| 04:16.17 | guru | e.g., if i launch doom 3 (natively) with the resurrection of evil mod installed several times the system will lock up; when i use my usb-based kvm switch sometimes it will lock up |
| 04:16.38 | guru | dmesg seems to be getting overwritten during boot and i can't see anything from the last run in it |
| 04:17.22 | Techdeck | you can make a cronscript that'll write it every minute or so |
| 04:17.26 | Techdeck | with dmesg -c |
| 04:17.44 | MarLaw | I have a problem with monitor mode (wifi card) and dsniff/urlsnurf/tcpdump, has anymore any experience on the matter ? |
| 04:17.47 | guru | yes but when i reboot the log will be overwritten |
| 04:17.51 | Techdeck | nope |
| 04:17.55 | Techdeck | not if you build your own script |
| 04:18.03 | guru | unless i set a cron entry to copy it to another file |
| 04:18.06 | daeos | how can i tell what version of a package i installed ? |
| 04:18.06 | guru | or that |
| 04:18.14 | Techdeck | make it run every minute and run "dmesg -c >> somefile/somewhere" |
| 04:18.16 | guru | daeos: dpkg --list |
| 04:18.20 | enouf | daeos: dpkg -l |
| 04:18.22 | Azar | eh back to point 0, ms silverlight will impair linux users from viewing web media contents.. it seems like |
| 04:18.45 | Techdeck | ok gtg, gotta go to work |
| 04:18.53 | guru | Techdeck: ok, thanks for the help |
| 04:18.58 | Techdeck | you're welcome |
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| 04:19.10 | guru | work...i gotta do that in 7 hours |
| 04:20.06 | guru | "honestly boss i was going to come in to work today but i was debugging my kernel instead". funny thing is my boss would say "kernel problems, eh? take the rest of the week off. i'll see you on monday" |
| 04:20.23 | Techdeck | guru, you can also do this to be a little more accurate: while sleep 0.1 ; do VAR=$(dmesg -c) ; [[ -n $VAR ]] && echo "$VAR" >> somefile/somewhere ; done |
| 04:20.27 | Techdeck | then run doom and such |
| 04:20.38 | guru | ok |
| 04:20.54 | guru | i'll probably just use kgdb since i'm fairly familiar with it |
| 04:21.06 | Techdeck | alright |
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| 04:21.39 | guru | i suspect that it's somehow related to my 64bit kernel since this didn't happen when i was running it in 32bit |
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| 04:22.05 | guru | most likely there is some module compiled in the kernel that isn't playing nicely with the hardware |
| 04:22.18 | guru | or so that is my theory |
| 04:22.40 | king_crimson | hi... quick question. i am installing etch on my somewhat older laptop (toshiba 1805-s254) and it has an onboard trident cyberblade xpai1 video chipset |
| 04:22.43 | guru | hmm...now i want to recompile my kernel |
| 04:22.47 | king_crimson | it has rudimentary 3d capabilities |
| 04:22.56 | king_crimson | i was wondering, will it be able to support beryl at all? |
| 04:23.02 | king_crimson | anybody try this? |
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| 04:24.01 | guru | king_crimson: i'm not sure what beryl is, but i installed woody on an old laptop that i had a few years ago that had an integrated trident card and direct rendering worked without any issues |
| 04:24.10 | niru | hi |
| 04:24.13 | niru | guru, hi |
| 04:24.19 | guru | i don't recall the specifics of it, however |
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| 04:24.21 | king_crimson | guru: beryl is a 3d window manager |
| 04:24.34 | guru | king_crimson: ahh, i've never heard of it |
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| 04:24.39 | king_crimson | look it up on youtube :) |
| 04:24.41 | king_crimson | it's awesome |
| 04:24.41 | guru | i'm a windowmaker user :) |
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| 04:24.55 | king_crimson | www.beryl-project.org |
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| 04:25.17 | king_crimson | well as long as 3d direct rendering works with the standard trident driver, beryl should work |
| 04:25.21 | king_crimson | i just wonder how slow it will be ugh |
| 04:25.26 | king_crimson | only one way to find out :) |
| 04:25.54 | guru | king_crimson: does the site have any screenshots? |
| 04:26.02 | moosemachine | hey how do i make a process to be run at boot time, or start a persistent process that works when i close the terminal? i beleive it has somethign to /etc/init.d/ but i am unsure how to add anything to this |
| 04:26.23 | guru | nevermind, i found them |
| 04:26.23 | king_crimson | guru: no, but i'll find you some |
| 04:26.26 | king_crimson | ok cool |
| 04:26.55 | guru | king_crimson: i'll pass. looks too microsoft-ish for me |
| 04:27.09 | king_crimson | it blows aero away |
| 04:27.17 | king_crimson | you can actually rotate your virtual desktops as a cube |
| 04:27.20 | king_crimson | to select between them |
| 04:27.20 | guru | i'm a minimalist |
| 04:27.48 | guru | it does have some nice eyecandy though |
| 04:28.02 | moosemachine | anyone? |
| 04:28.03 | king_crimson | well i generally am too, but the thing about beryl is some of its features are actually productive... rather than aero which is purely (and not even very good) eye candy |
| 04:28.09 | moosemachine | ive been googling i cant find anything |
| 04:28.26 | king_crimson | like you can move your mouse into the top right corner and you'll see an expose-like (from mac) layout of all your windows |
| 04:28.30 | king_crimson | its pretty cool |
| 04:28.39 | markybob | moosemachine: |
| 04:28.41 | guru | moosemachine: you can run it in the background |
| 04:28.46 | markybob | moosemachine: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
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| 04:29.17 | moosemachine | thanks! |
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| 04:30.16 | guru | ok, kgdb installed...i'll debug this thing tomorrow and most likely re-compile my kernel :) |
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| 04:31.35 | niru | from which d-i version is tamil translation complete |
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| 04:32.41 | king_crimson | oh, one more quick question... has anybody had any luck getting a belkin F5D7010 pcmcia wifi card working in etch? |
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| 04:36.43 | quarkhead | how do i completely remove a package? apt-get --purge apache2 e.g? |
| 04:37.00 | dondelelcaro | apt-get --purge remove foopkg; |
| 04:37.04 | dondelelcaro | man apt-get; for details. |
| 04:37.30 | quarkhead | tnx |
| 04:37.34 | daeos | dondelelcaro: thanks for the info, i was able to get the config file back |
| 04:38.41 | Azar | Ronin, nice article :) |
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| 04:39.27 | Starwatcher | hey all, just installed etch on my system and was wondering if there is a way to pick different option for the logon screen. the kde login manager does not seem to do anything. |
| 04:40.12 | kdean06 | Custom kernel, 2.6.21-rc7 and the system hangs on "Activating root filesystem", is this a lack of compiled in SATA support? |
| 04:40.42 | quarkhead | i removed a file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled. i did apt-get --purge remove apache2, and then apt-get install apache2, why is the file not restored |
| 04:41.04 | dondelelcaro | quarkhead: because that file isn't in apache2. |
| 04:41.15 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 04:41.15 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 04:41.22 | Azar | quarkhead: maybe "aptitude install" or "aptitude remove " will work better in this case? |
| 04:42.08 | king_crimson | Starwatcher: as far as i know, kdm isn't very customizable but maybe somebody else here knows better than i do |
| 04:42.30 | Azar | Starwatcher: not everyone here uses kde, try #kde ? |
| 04:42.43 | dondelelcaro | quarkhead: you're looking for apache2-common, and you want the confmiss option. |
| 04:42.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell quarkhead -about confmiss |
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| 04:42.58 | king_crimson | i use kde, gnome is ugly :) |
| 04:43.07 | Starwatcher | lol |
| 04:43.12 | Azar | king_crimson: I use none |
| 04:43.19 | quarkhead | 000-defaul is a part of apache |
| 04:43.21 | king_crimson | console? |
| 04:43.24 | quarkhead | default |
| 04:43.27 | Azar | king_crimson: naked X |
| 04:43.30 | king_crimson | ah |
| 04:43.40 | king_crimson | i've never actually tried that |
| 04:44.11 | Azar | king_crimson: works with a bg image of your choice and openbox like a charm |
| 04:44.22 | dondelelcaro | quarkhead: you can argue me if you want, but it will not avail you. |
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| 04:45.06 | king_crimson | Azar: i have grown to love kde+beryl... couldn't imagine my desktop any other way now |
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| 04:45.08 | Azar | quarkhead: you better follow dondelelcaro's advice, he knows lots |
| 04:45.11 | NefariousPrior | I just connected an old windows hard drive to my box, but have not even mounted it yet. System booted up fine, but every time I try to use ls it says "cannot execute binary file". mc gives me permission denied. Any ideas ? |
| 04:45.14 | nn-lowlevel | hi all |
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| 04:45.55 | Azar | king_crimson: indeed is a matter of choice, I grew to hate icons and task/menu bars... now I feel happy with what I setup |
| 04:46.55 | enouf | Techdeck: for some reason test -h nor -L filename, as well as [ -h nor -L filename, aren't having the same results as ls -al, as it pertains to symlinks |
| 04:46.56 | king_crimson | i'll try pure X out on this spare box i just picked up. i'll get around to installing debian on it soon |
| 04:47.05 | Azar | " IRC Linux Support, through burnout and beyond." < by Ronin :) |
| 04:47.16 | enouf | heh |
| 04:47.32 | king_crimson | its a pile of junk.. 550 mhz amd k6-2. not sure what use i would have for this, but it was free lol. |
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| 04:47.45 | brendonjt | hi there all |
| 04:47.47 | Azar | king_crimson: I used feh to get the bg image I like, installed openbox, and I am set. Light like a feather |
| 04:48.05 | enouf | I wonder if starting my root xterms as su -c sh, instead of su -, would enable things like xwininfo to work in root terminal .. tries |
| 04:48.22 | king_crimson | Azar: that old amd might actually run okay with such a light setup |
| 04:48.33 | king_crimson | would make a halfway decent web browser box to put in the basement or something |
| 04:48.48 | Azar | king_crimson: you bet. lots of bloated files on those kde and gnome .dm s |
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| 04:49.22 | king_crimson | azar: beryl on top of that doesn't help the situation either :) |
| 04:49.40 | king_crimson | however, i am running a 3.4 ghz P4 w/ HT so it's all good |
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| 04:49.51 | Vasistha | enouf: get 'sux' |
| 04:49.56 | Azar | king_crimson: I got all I need without having to use a .dm: browser, games, openoffice, irc, xmms player, xterm.. |
| 04:49.56 | Clark_Kent | hi |
| 04:50.27 | king_crimson | thats pretty much all i use too |
| 04:50.37 | Azar | king_crimson: beryl, compiz is for the living room PC where you show off to your friends.. |
| 04:50.51 | king_crimson | tell you what though, showing off beryl is a nice way to convert people to linux |
| 04:50.53 | king_crimson | yeah exactly lol |
| 04:50.57 | Azar | its like "look linux kicks ass" |
| 04:51.02 | king_crimson | yup!! haha |
| 04:51.10 | enouf | Vasistha: heh .. trying some things here .. thanks |
| 04:51.11 | king_crimson | i just got my friend set up with etch and beryl after he saw it on mine |
| 04:51.17 | king_crimson | just set it up on his comp last night |
| 04:51.41 | Vasistha | enouf: np. I stupidly used xhost until I learned about sux. |
| 04:51.45 | Clark_Kent | Aptitude wants to install x11-common_7.1.0-15_mipsel.deb but in the etch repository there is version 16 of that package, how can it be? |
| 04:51.46 | aptitude | Clark_Kent: that's too long |
| 04:52.07 | Azar | what we got another bot? |
| 04:52.11 | dondelelcaro | it's not like you even need sux; if you've got xauth, you just su and leave XAUTHORITY alone |
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| 04:52.49 | brendonjt | hey is gnome 2.18 going to put in Etch at any time? |
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| 04:52.56 | Vasistha | takes *note |
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| 04:53.02 | dondelelcaro | brendonjt: if it's not in etch now, it won't ever go there. |
| 04:53.10 | dondelelcaro | (hint, almost all of it is not) |
| 04:53.35 | brendonjt | thats a buggar no it's not in etch, as wanting the latest evolution as well |
| 04:53.52 | Azar | brendonjt: maybe 10 months down the road when its bugs gets fixed, you might use the backports to bring it on your Etch.. |
| 04:54.24 | Azar | brendonjt: if you want the "latest" stuff maybe Debian is not for you.. |
| 04:55.01 | Azar | brendonjt: Debian stable release is about "stability" and "no bugs from new releases please" |
| 04:55.11 | Guerin | brendonjt: if you want new and shiny, use testing |
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| 04:55.22 | Guerin | brendonjt: .18 is on its way in there |
| 04:55.24 | kripton1x | in VI, how can i switch across files if im using vsplit?? |
| 04:55.27 | king_crimson | shouldn't brendonjt be able to download the latest tarball from gnome and compile it manually? |
| 04:55.29 | Azar | yeah Lenny! :) |
| 04:55.44 | concept10 | kripton1x, ^WW |
| 04:55.46 | king_crimson | i am still somewhat noob at linux so maybei'm wrong |
| 04:55.54 | brendonjt | Azar, I tried other debian related distros and didn't like them much(ubuntu) and didn't like it seemed girlie lol |
| 04:55.58 | Azar | king_crimson: but in this case he can't complain stuff breaks in his Etch |
| 04:56.28 | king_crimson | true |
| 04:56.36 | brendonjt | king_crimson, I tried but alot of the libraries, and dependcies aren't there |
| 04:56.41 | Azar | brendonjt: then try using Debian "testing" which is not so stable but you can reach to some "latest versions of this n that" |
| 04:56.47 | king_crimson | and yes, debian > ubuntu |
| 04:56.48 | king_crimson | imo |
| 04:57.18 | brendonjt | Azar, my etch runs without any problems stable as no crashes nothing I am very happy with etch |
| 04:58.00 | Azar | that's the beauty with Debian : you learn stuff, you can use stable, get your nuts kicked with testing, or better yet, run a riot with the unstable |
| 04:58.06 | king_crimson | etch seems to be perfectly stable on my system as well. been up for a while now and haven't had a problem. |
| 04:58.07 | quarkhead | dpkg --force-confmiss doesnt work |
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| 04:58.24 | Azar | brendonjt: then there is a logical reason why "the latest" gnome is not there |
| 04:58.39 | markybob | quarkhead: that's not what he said. why cant you read what people tell you and do that exactly? |
| 04:58.43 | king_crimson | i recall when i was using sarge, i had a pentium 3 set up as a web server and file server and i had a record uptime of 7 months... and then the power went out. |
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| 04:59.15 | hanaurimasume | What usergroup do I need to be in the rip cds? |
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| 04:59.26 | brendonjt | Azar, yip I know that, had a look of 2.18 on the ubuntu live cd I couldn't really tell the differance though |
| 04:59.39 | quarkhead | i did so: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> dont be so hostile |
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| 05:00.12 | kripton1x | is the ^ mean ctrl? |
| 05:00.21 | markybob | quarkhead: ok. i'll stop being hostile if you stop being a moron and actually read |
| 05:00.25 | Azar | hanaurimasume: see man groups ? or groups? |
| 05:01.00 | Azar | cdrom I see |
| 05:01.50 | hanaurimasume | Azar, I checked man groups already. Ahh thanks. |
| 05:01.55 | quarkhead | what did i get wrong????? dondelelcaro wants you to know: the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
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| 05:05.42 | enouf | <dondelelcaro> it's not like you even need sux; if you've got xauth, you just su and leave XAUTHORITY alone <-- i thought there's a way to literally do the same thing from the standard utils .. lemmee try that now |
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| 05:10.14 | enouf | nope .. non-desired affects, my sytem is just plain looney, lol -- no biggy, i'd rather not get all involved wth this just right now, thanks |
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| 05:12.44 | quarkhead | i tried: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2, apt-get -o ="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2, dpkg --force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2, i only get errors, what i the moron doin wrong. sorry guess i am a stupid and un educated fool with reead write probs. but i would really like to get the server work properly :-/ |
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| 05:13.48 | vignesh | hi.. |
| 05:14.00 | vignesh | I am trying to build mysql from source and I get this |
| 05:14.04 | vignesh | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 05:14.09 | vignesh | what pkg do i need ? |
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| 05:14.52 | ootput | hi all |
| 05:15.25 | ootput | upon changing my locale (dpkg-reconfigure locale) to exclude utf8, i get the following message in an email sent to me: http://rafb.net/p/BCUpSa51.html |
| 05:16.08 | drarem | where is my menu layout located? I looked in ~./gnome but don't see anything right off |
| 05:16.08 | enouf | uh oh .. weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:16.08 | drarem | where is my menu layout located? I looked in ~./gnome but don't see anything right off |
| 05:16.08 | vignesh | Ah.. netsplit |
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| 05:16.25 | enouf | come back badgers! |
| 05:16.25 | enouf | danke |
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| 05:16.30 | vignesh | anyone knows what pkg do i need ? |
| 05:17.25 | Clark_Kent | I had a wrong date on my system, I think this cause problem on updating correct info in aptitude ... |
| 05:17.48 | ootput | any idea why that locale change would influence daily cron jobs? |
| 05:17.53 | ootput | http://rafb.net/p/BCUpSa51.html |
| 05:18.04 | Clark_Kent | fixed date and changed the repository mirror ... and now my apt information are ok |
| 05:18.09 | arjun | how do i know where my mp3 player's mounted at? |
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| 05:18.30 | vignesh | arjun: try the mount command |
| 05:18.31 | ootput | ah, it looks like /etc/environment doesn't get updated despite the locale change |
| 05:18.56 | Azar | Acu: what is druid? |
| 05:19.12 | enouf | vignesh: might want to try /msg dpkg build-essential |
| 05:19.52 | vignesh | enouf: I have the gcc packages |
| 05:20.14 | quarkhead | i tried: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 I get: dpkg unknown option -o |
| 05:20.44 | enouf | vignesh: either that or apt-cache depends <pkgname> [or rdepends], or ..i have no clue |
| 05:21.01 | arjun | vignesh: i mean i want to mount it to /mnt/mp3 but what i did last time isn't working |
| 05:21.21 | arjun | last time i just did "mount -t vfat /dev/sde1 /mnt/mp3/" |
| 05:21.56 | vignesh | arjun: mount -t vfat /dev/sdex /mnt |
| 05:22.11 | vignesh | is your usb device sde ? |
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| 05:22.15 | vignesh | check the number after sde |
| 05:22.46 | Acu | Azar: Druid:-The Database Manager - I am looking for an Open source data modeling tools for PostgreSQL |
| 05:22.46 | enouf | lshal | grep block.device .. but it seems everyone who has this issue has no hal installed ..lol |
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| 05:24.13 | enouf | gnome-volume-manager perhaps, and /etc/fstab, and cat /proc/mounts, and autofs, and pmount, and and and ... |
| 05:24.32 | arjun | vignesh: no matter what sde# it always gives me "mount: /dev/sde1 is not a valid block device" |
| 05:24.49 | enouf | .. and dmesg | tail |
| 05:25.12 | vignesh | arjun: have u been able to mount it before on Linux ? |
| 05:25.21 | enouf | ..and cat /dev/disk/ |
| 05:25.29 | arjun | yeah |
| 05:25.48 | arjun | dmesg recognizes it |
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| 05:27.15 | enouf | lsmod | grep fat shows? |
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| 05:27.57 | enouf | recognises it as a farting tomato? |
| 05:27.59 | vignesh | arjun: paste that part of dmesg |
| 05:28.06 | vignesh | lol |
| 05:28.16 | sussudio | %lol |
| 05:28.16 | badgers | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:28.26 | vignesh | heh |
| 05:28.50 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.55 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.57 | brendonjt | hehe and it sounds like a child |
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| 05:29.08 | enouf | ermm body is a little .. er skewed .. |
| 05:29.18 | vignesh | arjun: paste that part of dmesg |
| 05:29.23 | enouf | laughter sometimes is .. |
| 05:29.28 | delcides | hi all. Need advice on reporting a bug |
| 05:30.07 | arjun | vignesh: i managed to get it |
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| 05:30.16 | arjun | apparently it switches from sde1 to sda1 to sdb1 |
| 05:30.28 | enouf | though i personally really dislike aol or 1337 grammer, like ne1 and shit |
| 05:30.30 | vignesh | ok.. :) |
| 05:30.39 | markybob | delcides: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 05:30.42 | arjun | i have no idea why |
| 05:30.58 | enouf | amee2k: usev rules |
| 05:31.07 | enouf | er arjun udev rules |
| 05:31.16 | enouf | amee2k: apologies .. nm |
| 05:31.25 | enouf | !udev rules |
| 05:31.55 | enouf | ok dpkg, be that way |
| 05:31.55 | vignesh | enouf: I installed ncurses-term still ask me termpcap |
| 05:32.01 | vignesh | anyone knows ? |
| 05:32.05 | delcides | thanks markybob, I've already got to that part |
| 05:32.11 | vignesh | checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found |
| 05:32.21 | bytecolor | I've written a program that runs on sarge, but it requires a single file in the python2.4-opengl source package to be patched. What are my options? |
| 05:32.26 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 05:32.52 | enouf | vignesh: wouldn't you need the source, if another source requires it's lib(s)? .. as i said ..no clue ;-) |
| 05:33.07 | enouf | dpkg: where were you |
| 05:33.09 | vignesh | enouf: ok |
| 05:33.20 | delcides | I'd like some help on using strace or something like that to give a better report |
| 05:33.26 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 05:33.39 | markybob | vignesh: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 05:33.49 | vignesh | markybob: ok. let me try |
| 05:33.50 | enouf | it appears from your slow response, you're still hungover ..lol |
| 05:34.04 | enouf | !aolify me |
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| 05:34.31 | vignesh | dpkg is a bot right ? |
| 05:34.33 | vignesh | :) |
| 05:34.41 | enouf | no, she's my gal ;-P |
| 05:34.48 | vignesh | hehe |
| 05:35.16 | enouf | duh .. -dev pkgs .. oh my $deity |
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| 05:35.35 | vignesh | markybob: that was it |
| 05:35.48 | vignesh | markybob: what does the pkg contain and what does it do? |
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| 05:36.13 | markybob | vignesh: header files. tell programs where to find libraries and configs and such. |
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| 05:36.40 | vignesh | something about terminal rendering ? ncurses |
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| 05:37.11 | enouf | goes to show how much building i do .. building == no necessito == gentoosmite me == debian has it already done |
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| 05:37.42 | markybob | vignesh: http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ |
| 05:38.02 | n3kl | Hi. I have followed the directions for installing the latest nvidia drivers, pretty straight forward, just sh the install package. However, when I reboot, the module does not seem to stay installed and I have to rerun the script again. Does anyone know why, or if there is a better way to install the latest nvidia driver? |
| 05:38.28 | vignesh | markybob: ok.. |
| 05:38.45 | markybob | n3kl: did you try just running `modprobe nvidia` instead of running the installer again? maybe it just isnt loaded |
| 05:38.52 | vignesh | any other sid fork other than sidux ? |
| 05:38.56 | markybob | n3kl: in which case it would be if you added "nvidia" to /etc/modules |
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| 05:39.56 | enouf | n3kl: and "which" instructs? did you follow? |
| 05:40.13 | n3kl | markybob: right. Ok, seems silly to overlook something like that, but why would the dpkg version of the nvidia driver load fine on boot? |
| 05:40.19 | n3kl | !nvidia |
| 05:40.51 | enouf | be patient, she's hungover |
| 05:41.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 05:41.12 | wols | n3kl: make sure the kernel modules is added to /etc/modutils/ |
| 05:41.24 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.26 | enouf | modutils wols ? |
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| 05:41.30 | enouf | oh .. hehe |
| 05:42.08 | enouf | n3kl: so you followed the instructs in the wiki URL? or the <nvidia one-liner>? |
| 05:42.26 | n3kl | when I install the driver using the module-assistant, everything works great and installs fine, but I notice a crap load better performance out of my system with the new drivers. Any idea when they will be in apt? |
| 05:42.56 | enouf | !confuse n3kl |
| 05:43.12 | wols | n3kl: if you run etch: never |
| 05:43.13 | dpkg | Yes, those is your pants tomorrow, n3kl? trousers of the dictatorship of tibet with extra ham |
| 05:43.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.19 | Vasistha | holy moly, iptables is complicated... I think I will keep using guarddog :P |
| 05:43.29 | n3kl | enouf: no the one liner. I just download the package from nvidia and ran sh package.run |
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| 05:43.45 | markybob | heh |
| 05:43.58 | markybob | yes no. no yes! |
| 05:44.08 | enouf | n3kl: i ask, in case it needs modification .. |
| 05:44.23 | n3kl | wols: I am still testing, so that is now sid, yes? so any idea when the package will be in apt sid? |
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| 05:44.36 | wols | n3kl: no |
| 05:44.39 | wols | see topic |
| 05:44.47 | enouf | n3kl: but I'm not the person for that/those factoid mods |
| 05:44.53 | wols | and no, I don't have any idea |
| 05:44.58 | n3kl | what happened to sid? |
| 05:45.05 | wols | !sid |
| 05:45.15 | wols | nothing happened to it. it's sid as always |
| 05:45.19 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:45.20 | pmv | n3kl: no, sid is always unstable |
| 05:45.25 | n3kl | I have only been working with debian since the beginning of etch, so I don't know how it all lays out |
| 05:45.32 | n3kl | pmv: ah |
| 05:45.43 | pmv | they come up with new testing releases, but sid will always be the unstable one ;-) |
| 05:45.44 | n3kl | so lenny is testing now? |
| 05:45.48 | pmv | yep |
| 05:46.05 | n3kl | Ok, so does anyone know if the latest version of the nvidia drivers will make it into lenny apt? |
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| 05:46.12 | wols | it will |
| 05:46.29 | pmv | n3kl: packages.debian.org |
| 05:46.38 | pmv | for realtime results |
| 05:47.51 | n3kl | Can I just say that I think, after several years of Linux and UNIX as an administrator, I think debian is awesome? |
| 05:48.11 | enouf | hrm .. wonder if apt-listchanges is good for watching that .. (after an apt-get update ofcourse) |
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| 05:48.49 | pmv | n3kl: I feel you man ;-) |
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| 05:49.00 | maddash | ew |
| 05:49.02 | enouf | er cache |
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| 05:49.47 | pmv | n3kl: note, however, that this pickup in release rate is a recent (and welcome) trend |
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| 05:50.33 | Vasistha | how long did it take to release woody after potato went stable? |
| 05:50.44 | enouf | !releases |
| 05:50.50 | enouf | !release history |
| 05:50.56 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 05:51.44 | enouf | .... drums fingers |
| 05:51.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 05:51.54 | n3kl | pmv: nonetheless, debian rocks! |
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| 05:51.57 | Vasistha | heh heh |
| 05:52.28 | pmv | ^_^ |
| 05:52.50 | Vasistha | I would say something, but I don't want to have to wait 3 minutes for the bot to vindicate me :P |
| 05:52.57 | pmv | haha |
| 05:53.15 | maddash | what's with dpkg? |
| 05:53.29 | Vasistha | maybe this is his maintenance hour or something? |
| 05:53.35 | pmv | busy chatting with other bots and simialar metaphysical entities |
| 05:53.58 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
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| 05:54.10 | enouf | it just might be a nice way of stopping botabuse .. |
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| 05:55.24 | sussudio | %abuse enouf |
| 05:55.24 | badgers | enouf: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 05:55.33 | Vasistha | hum. so, buzz, rex, and bo took about 6 months each; hamm, slink, and potato took about a year each; woody took 2 years, sarge took *3* years, and etch took a little less than 2 years :P |
| 05:55.47 | enouf | sussudio: heh .. don't make me %fist you ;-) |
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| 05:56.02 | pmv | ah, well there you go then :-) |
| 05:56.32 | Vasistha | ahha! |
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| 06:05.15 | artagnon | How do I view all the dependecies of an installed package with the total filesize? |
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| 06:06.01 | rahul | wtf |
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| 06:06.21 | rahul | buttplug fucked up my parallel port |
| 06:06.27 | solid_liq | !jfs |
| 06:07.14 | Vasistha | artagnon: maybe what you want, is to use the aptitude front-end and see what happens if you mark the package for installation -- you'll see how much disk space will be freed |
| 06:07.25 | rahul | I can't remove the modules. no idea what is using them |
| 06:07.48 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay, but what do I do if I want them printed? I'm using it from a shell script say |
| 06:07.49 | Vasistha | artagnon: er -- well, I kinda mixed up installation/deinstallation and freed/used |
| 06:08.08 | rahul | holy crap. lpd. |
| 06:08.15 | artagnon | freed? I don't want to know how much space it occupies on the disk |
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| 06:08.32 | artagnon | I want to know what the deb weighs along with its deps |
| 06:08.35 | markybob | rahul: pretend like it's your girlfriend...iow, '--force' |
| 06:08.42 | rahul | !force markybob |
| 06:08.56 | pmv | lol |
| 06:08.58 | rahul | my girls are the ones forcing on me |
| 06:09.12 | rahul | (speaking of buttplug... HAH) |
| 06:09.14 | pmv | rahul: sure.. your "girls" |
| 06:09.16 | pmv | :-p |
| 06:09.20 | Vasistha | artagnon: aptitude front-end will also tell you the download size ... but I'm not sure it would be easy to figure out a way to get that info available in a script |
| 06:09.22 | rahul | there's really only 2 |
| 06:09.25 | markybob | heh |
| 06:09.35 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay |
| 06:09.45 | rahul | well, 2 major. 2 minor, who are being annoying about it all. |
| 06:09.56 | rahul | make that 3 who are being annoying |
| 06:10.27 | rahul | whoa. I have like 4 xfsbuf/syncds |
| 06:10.56 | artagnon | Vasistha: I haven't used the frontend before and I can't even find my own WM under Installed > X11! |
| 06:11.00 | rahul | hrm, what the hell would be using inet_diag? |
| 06:11.05 | litage | when i run LVM's ``pvdisplay'', it says "Found duplicate PV hk3Bd...kF1l: using /dev/sdb12 not /dev/sda12" twice. does this matter? |
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| 06:11.39 | Vasistha | artagnon: aptitude has nifty searching and filtering capabilities. type / and then give the name of the package you want to look for. n for next, N for previous |
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| 06:13.20 | rahul | 4 0 32000 6082 17 0 1564 424 cleanu D+ pts/1 0:00 rmmod gamep |
| 06:13.22 | rahul | :\ |
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| 06:13.34 | rahul | kernel of arseability. |
| 06:13.45 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay found it, how do I find the size? |
| 06:14.37 | rahul | it's fooked. |
| 06:15.00 | Vasistha | artagnon: well, hum. if it is already installed, and you mark it for deinstallation, then you'll see the size of the installed files (as disk space freed). If it's not installed, and you mark it for installation, you'll get that equivalent number (for the amount of disk space that will be taken) as well as the "download size". |
| 06:15.32 | Vasistha | artagnon: however, the other number I guess you want is the size of an already-downloaded .deb? the package would be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ... if it hasn't been cleaned out |
| 06:15.40 | artagnon | That's not what I want. It's installed and i want the size of the deb |
| 06:15.52 | artagnon | okay, I'll check there |
| 06:16.06 | rahul | yay, my ipood was detected |
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| 06:16.20 | artagnon | yep, they're there. Thanks Vasistha |
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| 06:16.36 | Vasistha | artagnon: when you start talking about dependencies, though... it can get tricky. apt-rdepends might be useful for scripting. |
| 06:16.39 | solid_liq | hey, does *anyone* know of a live cd distro that, *for sure*, has LVM support as well as support for JFS partitions within an LVM? |
| 06:16.58 | lepine_h | sorry. this is somewhat off topic ... but could someone try to resolve (www.)musicinmycar,com please? |
| 06:17.04 | artagnon | Vasistha: I'll check that |
| 06:17.14 | Vasistha | lepine_h: check it for what? |
| 06:17.16 | artagnon | and from the aptitude frontend, is it possible to find out? |
| 06:17.23 | h3xis | lepine_h, 70.69.85.2 |
| 06:17.40 | Vasistha | artagnon: I kinda doubt it :P but there are many things I do not know about aptitude |
| 06:17.42 | lepine_h | h3xis: does http work as well? |
| 06:17.53 | artagnon | Okay |
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| 06:18.04 | artagnon | Vasistha: Do you have fluxbox installed? |
| 06:18.15 | h3xis | lepine_h, no |
| 06:18.25 | lepine_h | any particular error? |
| 06:18.36 | h3xis | instant "cannot be found" |
| 06:18.40 | h3xis | no delay or anything |
| 06:18.47 | lepine_h | ah ha ... weird ... |
| 06:18.52 | lepine_h | i have the exact same thing |
| 06:18.56 | artagnon | Vasistha: If not, do me a favour and apt-get install fluxbox. Tell me what the dependencies are and what the total filesize is. You can purge it later. |
| 06:18.58 | Vasistha | artagnon: nope, I use kde. You might want to check out /usr/share/aptitude/README - great doc. |
| 06:18.59 | lepine_h | any clue what that could mean? |
| 06:19.02 | maddash | lepine_h: no |
| 06:19.14 | h3xis | hi2u maddash |
| 06:19.23 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay, I'll read the docs and manpages |
| 06:19.24 | maddash | hi2me maddash |
| 06:19.29 | h3xis | :P |
| 06:19.43 | h3xis | ^^ |
| 06:19.43 | Vasistha | artagnon: heh, alright, I'll use the aptitude front-end to mark it for installation, and see what the download size is ;-) |
| 06:19.58 | artagnon | :S |
| 06:20.35 | Vasistha | artagnon: DL size: 772 KB ... but keep in mind I already have Xorg and KDE which might be fulfilling a number of dependencies |
| 06:21.31 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay, thanks a bunch! |
| 06:21.42 | artagnon | No deps I think |
| 06:21.49 | artagnon | It doesn't depend on KDE libs |
| 06:21.58 | Vasistha | artagnon: you're welcome. Well, the deps are libx things |
| 06:22.02 | artagnon | X is an essential though |
| 06:22.13 | artagnon | What are those things? |
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| 06:22.18 | artagnon | That's what I want to know |
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| 06:23.01 | Vasistha | artagnon: well, aptitude can tell you that really easily. just find fluxbox and hit enter, and look at the list of dependencies. apt-cache showpkg can do that too |
| 06:24.16 | Vasistha | artagnon: the nice thing about aptitude front-end is that you can use it to open multiple tabs and look at several different dependencies all at once. It's really a useful tool, you might consider giving it a chance |
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| 06:24.45 | Vasistha | artagnon: but ... apt-rdepends also might be useful for whatever it is you want |
| 06:24.53 | artagnon | Vasistha: Okay, nice, thanks |
| 06:25.01 | artagnon | apt-rdpends, I'll check that out too |
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| 06:26.48 | artagnon | Vasistha: apt-rdepends is fantastic! It's exactly what I want |
| 06:26.50 | BlueParrot | hehehe, I think I have gone a little paranoid here |
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| 06:27.21 | BlueParrot | "sandbox" user account which I connect to with ssh and X forwarding for all internet applications |
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| 06:27.43 | Vasistha | artagnon: you're welcome! it helped me out quite a bit, too, when apt-cache showpkg failed me |
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| 06:28.30 | stevepastelan_ | hello |
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| 06:30.55 | jrsims | hey, i need help using iwconfig to get my wifi working |
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| 06:31.21 | jrsims | I've read the man page for iwconfig, run the commands without errors, but firefox won't see the connection |
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| 06:33.34 | marc7 | if I *don't* want to hit etch just yet, is it as simple as going to my /etc/apt/sources.list and changing the first line to "deb <url> sarge main"? |
| 06:34.46 | dondelelcaro | marc7: change all of them to sarge from stable, yes. |
| 06:35.00 | jrsims | how do I get networking to go through my wifi, rather than my ethernet (which is connected)? |
| 06:35.09 | marc7 | and for security updates, it should read <url> sarge/updates contrib non-free, right? |
| 06:35.15 | dondelelcaro | marc7: yes |
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| 06:35.21 | xjkx | isnt that 3d thing to switch between workspaces named xgl? |
| 06:35.25 | marc7 | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:35.37 | BlueParrot | xjkx: uhmmm, not quite |
| 06:35.45 | xjkx | whats xgl? |
| 06:35.49 | BlueParrot | xjkx: the thing you are talking about is part of beryl |
| 06:36.04 | BlueParrot | xgl is the backend beryl needs to do the 3D stuff |
| 06:36.33 | xjkx | so the beryl uses xgl to make the three dimensional thing, is that it? |
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| 06:36.45 | BlueParrot | yea, sort of |
| 06:37.13 | BlueParrot | xjkx: there are several components at work because you have the x-server the windows manager and then the rendering backend |
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| 06:37.41 | xjkx | is xgl used only to help beryl to make the dimensional thing? |
| 06:37.47 | BlueParrot | but pretty much , yea , beryl ( or compiz ) would be the compositing window manager |
| 06:37.55 | BlueParrot | which renders using the xgl x-server |
| 06:38.00 | Azar | arrrrghhhh!!! Enigma 1.0 was not included in Etch! |
| 06:38.19 | BlueParrot | xjkx no, it is used to render EVERYTHING |
| 06:38.43 | markybob | forget beryl. especially since it got absorbed into compiz a couple of weeks ago |
| 06:38.44 | BlueParrot | it is what lets the window manager draw windows and buttons and mouse cursors etc on the screen |
| 06:38.49 | Azar | now gotta wait 2 more years to get it |
| 06:39.11 | xjkx | i heard there is 3ddesktop also, whats the difference? |
| 06:39.12 | Vasistha | Azar: well, there might be a backport sometime sooner than that |
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| 06:39.32 | Azar | Vasistha: it got out immediately after Etch was frozen, missed it by a hair |
| 06:39.41 | dar1 | i have frequency scaling issues, details here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2472508#post2472508 . I think it has something to do with the freq_table module (not sure). Can some one help me please |
| 06:39.54 | dar1 | :) |
| 06:39.59 | marc7 | next apt-related question, even apt-get remove <package> doesn't take out all the configuration files... any way to have debian take care of that? |
| 06:40.05 | marc7 | some kind of purge option I'm missing? |
| 06:40.19 | marc7 | found it |
| 06:40.27 | xjkx | do i need to have 3dcard to use 3desktop? |
| 06:40.28 | marc7 | should search before i speek |
| 06:40.32 | Vasistha | Azar: that's not at all like marble madness, is it? |
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| 06:40.50 | Azar | Vasistha: yes it is |
| 06:41.09 | Azar | marc7: ever tried to clean up with aptitude? |
| 06:41.09 | jelly-home | !info enigma |
| 06:41.25 | Azar | jelly-home: http://debaday.debian.net/ |
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| 06:41.35 | marc7 | azar; nope |
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| 06:41.57 | Supaplex | !drool on Vasistha |
| 06:42.02 | Supaplex | bah ;) |
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| 06:42.10 | riri | is there somebody who have honeypot package for debian? |
| 06:42.12 | Azar | marc7: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 06:42.29 | Azar | misterrr Supaplex ! :) |
| 06:42.33 | stevepastelan_ | hello |
| 06:42.45 | stevepastelan_ | is the upgrade to etch as dangerous as the release notes make it out to be? |
| 06:42.50 | stevepastelan_ | can I do it over SSH |
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| 06:42.50 | marc7 | azar: thanks, I'll be reading quite a bit on that this week, getting ready to upgrade everything to etch |
| 06:42.55 | jrsims | ANYone want to help a noob get his wifi setup so that he doesn't become the next serial killer? |
| 06:42.58 | stevepastelan_ | or do I need to lug a monitor down to my server? |
| 06:43.06 | Vasistha | riri: did you try p.d.o ? I dunno if there's a honeypot *package* ... seems like the kinda thing where you should only be setting it up if you know what you're doing |
| 06:43.19 | Azar | stevepastelan_: all depends what you got in your current system... backported packages, bloated desktops.. |
| 06:43.26 | robin_sz | stevepastelan_, well, I managed to do 5 servers so far without much problem |
| 06:43.37 | stevepastelan_ | hm I DO have a couple of backports |
| 06:43.47 | Azar | robin_sz: servers usually don't get as bloated as desktops |
| 06:43.48 | stevepastelan_ | but I believe I'm already on 2.6 kernel |
| 06:43.50 | markybob | stevepastelan_: remove them first |
| 06:44.15 | robin_sz | stevepastelan_, all over SSH .. only problem so far was with Apache2 mod_perl from sarge to etch |
| 06:44.17 | jelly-home | um, aren't backports supposed to be upgradeable? |
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| 06:44.37 | robin_sz | mainly because etch has v1.999 of mod_perl |
| 06:44.40 | Azar | stevepastelan_: follow the release notes, mark down the ones that apply to your issues, and everything will be ok |
| 06:44.43 | jelly-home | at least those from backports.org |
| 06:44.44 | Vasistha | jrsims: unfortunately, noone is likely to help you if you ask like that. why don't you ask us for help getting your [brand] [model number] wifi card set up in debian [version] |
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| 06:45.28 | markybob | jelly-home: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-backports |
| 06:45.29 | Azar | jelly-home: the release notes tell if packages will be removed. Backups or write down which one will be removed then reinstall after upgrade |
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| 06:45.47 | Vasistha | Azar: ah, that looks like a fun game, but it does not look like marble madness |
| 06:46.04 | stevepastelan_ | hm |
| 06:46.04 | stevepastelan_ | ok |
| 06:46.09 | stevepastelan_ | thanks guys |
| 06:46.11 | Azar | Vasistha: oh no.. I have enigma, is fun |
| 06:46.30 | stevepastelan_ | I don't remember which of my packages might have been backported |
| 06:46.32 | stevepastelan_ | how do I check again? |
| 06:46.49 | Azar | Vasistha: neverball and neverputt are even funner |
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| 06:48.17 | markybob | stevepastelan_: you can try dpkg -l '*bpo*' |grep ii ...but that's not 100% |
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| 06:49.06 | Azar | stevepastelan_: I guess if you pin your sources.list to etch then use aptitude update aptitude upgrade you will see bunch of them for removal.. you can copy/paste on a file then later reinstall them. |
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| 06:49.33 | jrsims | god dammit! why don't even simple things work like my damn desktop clock? |
| 06:50.04 | stevepastelan_ | Azar I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by 'pin your sources.list' to etch |
| 06:50.06 | Azar | jrsims: personally, I use gkrellm's clock and works nice |
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| 06:50.25 | luosm | I can't get the wireless to work, any tutorial you guys have for me? google has been fruitless |
| 06:50.28 | DocPlatypus | Azar: I love Neverball, I wish this computer had a 3D-accelerated graphics chip |
| 06:50.33 | DocPlatypus | so I could play it yet again |
| 06:50.40 | jrsims | Azar: shouldn't gnome's clock at least save the settings you give it for the next boot? |
| 06:50.50 | Azar | stevepastelan_: if you read the release notes, you will notice that it tells you to prepare your sources.list in /etc/apt/sources.list by changing the "stable" or "sarge" stanza to >> "etch" |
| 06:50.53 | stevepastelan_ | markybob: I only have libpopt in that list.. weird thing to have backported |
| 06:50.57 | wols | luosm: what wlan card? |
| 06:51.08 | stevepastelan_ | oh, I see :) |
| 06:51.12 | Azar | jrsims: oh gnome, sorry I do not use a desktop manager |
| 06:51.12 | jrsims | luosm: you may find this channel fruitless too. No one seems to know jack on the subject. |
| 06:51.18 | wols | luosm: and how far along are you? |
| 06:51.33 | stevepastelan_ | Azar: I should comment out my backports/3rd party sources for the meantime, as well, right? |
| 06:51.44 | Azar | jrsims: it is about gnome, and this channel is about debian, try #gnome |
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| 06:52.00 | Azar | stevepastelan_: yes |
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| 06:52.39 | wols | jrsims: iwconfig will not save anything. you need to edit /etc/network/interfaces /man interfaces) to make it permanent |
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| 06:52.43 | luosm | wols: Wireless NIC: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 06:53.00 | luosm | wols: Not that far |
| 06:53.02 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:53.04 | wols | luosm: is the drivre incl. firmware loaded? |
| 06:53.10 | Azar | dimir: moo? |
| 06:53.26 | streuner | dpkg, wake up! |
| 06:53.27 | luosm | wols: I'm not sure, how can I check that? |
| 06:54.10 | dimir | Azar: no, m 'oink 'oink 'oink! |
| 06:54.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: 'dpkg' doesn't respond for me... |
| 06:54.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:54.24 | wols | streuner: you're not alone |
| 06:54.24 | Azar | !moo |
| 06:54.27 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I know. |
| 06:54.28 | vnm | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professionnel - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 1day 3hrs 47mins 28secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ at 2210MHz (4% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 2045/2046.48MB (99.94%) hdd: 3 C:\ 43.02GB/195.31GB Free V:\ 35.36GB/37.57GB Free Z:\ 40.33GB/232.88GB Free net: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Miniport d'ordonnancement de paquets - 100MB/s 298. |
| 06:54.30 | Vasistha | streuner: an hour ago, dpkg was lagging by a good minute, now he seems to be unresponsive :P |
| 06:54.46 | Azar | what .. was that? |
| 06:54.58 | wols | Azar: idiocy in textform |
| 06:55.02 | wols | vnm: please don't do this in here |
| 06:55.08 | Azar | dpkg might be out for lunch |
| 06:55.14 | pearl | good morning |
| 06:55.27 | dondelelcaro | the box on which it is on needs to be looked at, and I won't have a chance to do that for another hour or so |
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| 06:56.07 | wols | luosm: 21:16 < dpkg> ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2 |
| 06:56.17 | Azar | dpkg needs a mirror let's use gkpd |
| 06:56.33 | Vasistha | dpkg: there are a couple. I think badgers is still working |
| 06:56.37 | Vasistha | %hello |
| 06:56.37 | streuner | Azar: there are several ones |
| 06:56.37 | badgers | Hi, vasistha! |
| 06:56.50 | streuner | Azar: or 'apt' |
| 06:56.51 | maddash | what does the "rc" prefix returned by `dpkg -l` mean? |
| 06:56.54 | Azar | streuner: what about good old apt ? still working? |
| 06:56.58 | streuner | sure |
| 06:57.02 | luosm | wols: I'll try that, thankyou |
| 06:57.06 | Vasistha | maddash: it's marked for removal, and there are conflicts |
| 06:57.10 | wols | maddash: removed but config files still on disk |
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| 06:57.17 | Vasistha | maddash: wait, I'm confused |
| 06:57.21 | Vasistha | maddash: listen to wols |
| 06:57.29 | streuner | Azar: but some factoids are out of date..., badgers is usually up to date |
| 06:57.35 | maddash | wols: how do i kill it off completely? |
| 06:57.46 | Vasistha | purge |
| 06:57.47 | Azar | :) badgers, I like its name |
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| 06:57.56 | pmv | haha |
| 06:57.59 | pmv | second that |
| 06:59.00 | Azar | finally! the date has changed, irssi is behind 42 seconds |
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| 06:59.43 | dondelelcaro | Azar: your clock is 60 seconds ahead. |
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| 07:00.18 | Borg^Queen | Hi people quick question. I want to rescue an old imac and install debian on it. I just noticed that there is a cd "debian-40r0-powerpc-kde-CD-1.iso" |
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| 07:00.30 | Borg^Queen | is this a kde centric install disk? |
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| 07:01.00 | Vasistha | Borg^Queen: if you have a network connection, better to just use the net install disc |
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| 07:01.13 | Borg^Queen | Vasistha: thank |
| 07:01.14 | Borg^Queen | s |
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| 07:01.47 | Borg^Queen | We definiately want an kde centric install, so am I correct in my assumption? |
| 07:01.59 | dondelelcaro | Borg^Queen: yes |
| 07:02.08 | Vasistha | Borg^Queen: well, yes. see, there are multiple disc 1's for the different DE's |
| 07:02.20 | cafuego | No, you are incorrect to assume we want a KDE centric install. |
| 07:02.43 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: ? |
| 07:03.01 | Vasistha | Borg^Queen: he's just playing with english grammar :P |
| 07:03.09 | Borg^Queen | Oh aye |
| 07:03.30 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: there is only KDE! |
| 07:03.40 | Borg^Queen | well thank you for your time people. |
| 07:03.52 | Vasistha | good luck, hope you can get the box working |
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| 07:04.01 | Borg^Queen | the imac is going to a really smart child, she's going to really enjoy it. |
| 07:04.08 | Borg^Queen | lol |
| 07:04.13 | cafuego | iMacs tend to work fine |
| 07:04.17 | Borg^Queen | Aye, |
| 07:04.26 | cafuego | They do like 256+Mb of ram though for X. |
| 07:04.40 | Borg^Queen | I've installed debian on plenty of ibm compats, but this is my first mac install |
| 07:04.52 | Azar | man so sad reportbug does not work for me! |
| 07:04.54 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: it has about 160 |
| 07:05.00 | crazy_penguin | hello all! |
| 07:05.03 | fireba11 | hm . .cheers for UTF-8 in etch ... isn't the MC in sarge utf-8 compatible ? when connecting with putty to a etch box it works fine with utf8, on sarge it doesn't ? |
| 07:05.05 | Borg^Queen | hi |
| 07:05.10 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: That might be a tad iffy for KDE, see how you go. |
| 07:05.24 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: ? |
| 07:05.35 | Borg^Queen | Oh I see, not to worry |
| 07:05.44 | cafuego | Borg^Queen: If it swaps too much it'll get really slow - the hdds they have are not fast. |
| 07:05.50 | Vasistha | Borg^Queen: I'm running kde on 192 MB ram, and ... well, make sure you've got some swap space ;-) |
| 07:05.50 | Borg^Queen | I just use kpersonalizer to shut down the eye candy |
| 07:05.53 | scx | Azar: report a bug about it |
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| 07:06.03 | cafuego | So if it doens't like KDE, try xfce - that'll be fine in 160Mb |
| 07:06.06 | Serial | hello |
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| 07:06.12 | Borg^Queen | Aye, I always use swap below 1 gb |
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| 07:06.25 | Borg^Queen | cafuego: will do thanks |
| 07:06.26 | Azar | scx: nah, it does not work because I have no mail on my system, I asked my ISP to block port25 |
| 07:06.40 | Serial | i like debian because the best system :P |
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| 07:07.05 | Azar | I like debian because it educates me |
| 07:07.07 | Borg^Queen | ok good night, or day as the case may be, to all |
| 07:07.18 | Serial | :- ) |
| 07:07.20 | Borg^Queen | I like debian cause it works |
| 07:07.28 | stevepastelan_ | Hello |
| 07:07.31 | Borg^Queen | hello |
| 07:07.32 | stevepastelan_ | (again) |
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| 07:07.35 | Borg^Queen | and good night |
| 07:07.38 | stevepastelan_ | I have another question about the upgrade process |
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| 07:07.42 | stevepastelan_ | good night Borg Queen |
| 07:07.55 | scx | I luse it just ';cause I like the logo |
| 07:08.13 | stevepastelan_ | I'm asked to manually unmark as auto the packages openoffice.org, vim, and 2.6 kernel-image |
| 07:08.19 | Vasistha | okay, it's time. |
| 07:08.21 | stevepastelan_ | are those just examples of things that must be unmarked |
| 07:08.24 | Vasistha | %ubuntu rocks |
| 07:08.24 | badgers | well, ubuntu rocks is http://david9.freepgs.com/i/ubunturocks.png |
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| 07:08.30 | stevepastelan_ | or is it exactly those 3 that need it done? |
| 07:08.58 | Vasistha | scx: dude, click the link ;-) |
| 07:09.09 | Azar | badgers is our bot |
| 07:09.09 | badgers | Azar: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 07:09.39 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: "you are asked", huh? by whom? |
| 07:09.42 | maddash | haha 'ubuntu rocks' |
| 07:09.43 | fireba11 | anyone for my utf-8 question ? :-) |
| 07:09.54 | Azar | stevepastelan_: I guess is exactly how you read it, unmarkauto whatever it tells you |
| 07:09.55 | stevepastelan_ | Vasitha: Section 4.3 of the Etch release notes |
| 07:09.57 | alich | I wan't to install gcc-4.0 in the unstable release, but can't find it when calling apt-cache search |
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| 07:10.13 | alich | But on my other server, i can. |
| 07:10.15 | stevepastelan_ | It's just vague |
| 07:10.22 | stevepastelan_ | "To prevent aptitude from removing some packages that were pulled in through dependencies, you need to manually unmark them as auto packages." |
| 07:10.23 | maddash | badgers: are you dpkg's brother? |
| 07:10.23 | badgers | maddash: i haven't a clue |
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| 07:10.36 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: oh, that makes sense |
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| 07:10.44 | stevepastelan_ | are there any other ones that I need to be worried about? |
| 07:10.46 | robin_sz | oh great, another bot .. how ... useful. |
| 07:10.48 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: well, do you usually use aptitude for package management? |
| 07:10.53 | stevepastelan_ | or just openoffice, vim and kernel image? |
| 07:10.57 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: yes I do |
| 07:11.38 | Azar | stevepastelan_: I guess it is quite simple: aptitude unmarkauto <package> <package> <package> for more clarification go read /usr/share/aptitude/README file |
| 07:11.55 | stevepastelan_ | Azar: I understand how to do it |
| 07:12.07 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: I think the reason OOo vim and kernel-image are mentioned may be because they have name changes or something odd like that, and they'll only be upgraded properly with a manual installation marking |
| 07:12.29 | stevepastelan_ | I see :) |
| 07:12.31 | stevepastelan_ | thank you :) |
| 07:12.35 | Vasistha | although that doesn't make much sense for 'vim' :P |
| 07:12.45 | stevepastelan_ | I was afraid that 'some packages' included many things |
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| 07:13.02 | stevepastelan_ | and that vim, OOo and kernel-image* were given as typical examples |
| 07:13.34 | stevepastelan_ | thank you for dissolving my doubts |
| 07:13.37 | Azar | stevepastelan_: not sure if related, but in Sarge, you use kernel-image, in Etch becomes linux-image |
| 07:13.38 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: well, it'd probably be wise to save the output from dpkg --get-selections before you start |
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| 07:13.57 | alich | Is there any obvious reasons that the package gcc-4.0 is not in my repository? |
| 07:14.44 | Azar | alich: hmm is gcc-4.0 already? mannnnn I did not keep track since gcc-2.5 |
| 07:14.59 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: wow! thanks for the heads up |
| 07:15.04 | alich | Azar: yes, i guess so. |
| 07:15.19 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: I wonder when did all these things get selected?! |
| 07:15.20 | alich | If you compile C code, it doesn't matter too much, but c++... |
| 07:15.34 | Azar | alich: where is your sources.list looking at? etch? |
| 07:15.35 | K|NgGh0sT | Hey, I was just dist=upgrading and such, and well I rebooted and now X wont start. Heres the errors of my Xorg log file http://pastebin.ca/446015 |
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| 07:15.56 | Azar | ah that why... I do not go near c++ |
| 07:15.57 | markybob | alich: because you're supposed to be using 4.1 |
| 07:16.06 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: and, you know, if anything goes wrong, it probably won't be too difficult to fix. I'd bet nothing 'required' or 'important' is going to be lost, and anything else you can just get as needed. And of course you can check /var/log/dpkg.log after it's done to see what all got changed |
| 07:16.13 | alich | markybob: yes, but 4.1 doesnt compile my templates... |
| 07:16.18 | alich | but 4.0.4 does... |
| 07:16.22 | stevepastelan_ | :) ok great |
| 07:16.23 | markybob | then update your templates. whatever those might be |
| 07:16.33 | stevepastelan_ | if anything goes wrong, I'll come back and haunt you heheheh |
| 07:16.42 | stevepastelan_ | it seems that a bunch of things are selected to 'deinstall' |
| 07:16.46 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: that's alright, I'll be sleeping soon ;-) |
| 07:16.47 | alich | markybob: well, thank you alot! |
| 07:16.50 | stevepastelan_ | things I (must have) backported |
| 07:16.54 | stevepastelan_ | or compiled from source |
| 07:16.58 | stevepastelan_ | (eg new wine) |
| 07:16.59 | alich | markybob: you have been most helpful |
| 07:17.06 | ebbs | hi. I wrote a bash script, which changes the root directory to another directory with the chroot command (why Im doing this, is not important). No, I want to execute the command "exit" to regain my old root directory. If Im typing "exit", it works, but if Im writing "exit" in my bash script, the "exit" is misinterpreted as exit-command of the script... How can I solve this problem? |
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| 07:17.11 | stevepastelan_ | i guess I'll have to reinstall all that after the upgrade, correct? |
| 07:17.16 | Azar | stevepastelan_: that why the release notes are recommending backups |
| 07:17.21 | markybob | alich: at least now you should stop looking for gcc-4.0, which doesnt exist in debian any longer |
| 07:17.26 | stevepastelan_ | Azar: I do not have this luxury :( |
| 07:17.30 | alich | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/gcc-4.0 |
| 07:17.33 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: yeah, you'll want to be careful with backports and self-compiled things... that stuff can get sticky in a dist-upgrade :P but I guess you've already read the release notes |
| 07:17.36 | alich | why is it there then? |
| 07:17.39 | elboblives | Congrats, and I love Gin Martinis... even the crappy gin native to Chicago IL |
| 07:17.47 | markybob | alich: look at the architectures |
| 07:17.49 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: actually, I'm not quite done reading them :) |
| 07:18.01 | alich | ok. |
| 07:18.02 | alich | i see |
| 07:18.07 | Azar | stevepastelan_: copy all the line that lists what is getting removed, paste it on a text file, save. Then after upgrade just do aptitude install... |
| 07:18.23 | stevepastelan_ | good plan :) |
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| 07:18.34 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: hum, is nvidia-glx installed? That's gonna be my first guess |
| 07:18.37 | stevepastelan_ | it doesn't look like any of the stuff is system-vital |
| 07:18.59 | Vasistha | ebbs: source the script |
| 07:19.05 | dexomsrc | so upgrading gtk2-engines from 2.8 to 2.10 marks many many other packaged for removal... including gnome |
| 07:19.08 | dexomsrc | why's this? |
| 07:19.10 | K|NgGh0sT | Vasistha, yes |
| 07:19.20 | stevepastelan_ | openbox, wine, autoconf, php |
| 07:19.39 | markybob | dexomsrc: because it's called unstable for a reason |
| 07:19.48 | Azar | stevepastelan_: what you will get new might be xorg, kernel version, I guess some basic reconfiguration will be needed.. for your desktop |
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| 07:19.51 | ebbs | Vasistha, its only the chroot command and then I only want to exit... |
| 07:20.09 | stevepastelan_ | :D sounds.. dreadful |
| 07:20.10 | ebbs | I want to use this technique later in anoteher script... |
| 07:20.27 | scx | \mbot |
| 07:20.31 | scx | oops |
| 07:20.35 | Azar | stevepastelan_: no, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will do it... about gnome or kde, I don't know |
| 07:20.38 | Vasistha | ebbs: okay, rather than running `./script' run it like this: `. ./script' |
| 07:20.46 | Vasistha | ebbs: or, `source ./script' |
| 07:20.49 | stevepastelan_ | hm |
| 07:20.52 | stevepastelan_ | well, I had openbox |
| 07:20.54 | Vasistha | ebbs: (or whatever the path is) |
| 07:21.03 | ebbs | ok |
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| 07:21.13 | stevepastelan_ | no gnome/kde stuff |
| 07:21.17 | Azar | stevepastelan_: then no worry. I use same and no biggie, openbox can be reinstalled |
| 07:21.20 | Vasistha | ebbs: you can easily test it with a script that just does 'exit' ;-) |
| 07:21.24 | stevepastelan_ | yeah I think so too :) |
| 07:21.27 | stevepastelan_ | thanks |
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| 07:22.02 | artagnon | I have mozilla-plugin-gnash installed. My iceweasel still doesn't load flash pages. What's the issue? I checked to see that /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libgnashplugin.so exists and it does |
| 07:22.25 | Vasistha | artagnon: in all likelihood, the problem is that the flash pages you are trying to view require a newer version of flash, which the gnash people have not implemented |
| 07:22.49 | Vasistha | artagnon: I recently broke down and just installed adobe's version :-/ |
| 07:22.54 | artagnon | Vasistha: Can you show me ONE page that is gnash compatible? |
| 07:23.05 | ebbs | Vasistha, that doesnt work.... |
| 07:23.11 | artagnon | :( |
| 07:23.19 | artagnon | I don't want the Adobe thing |
| 07:23.23 | Vasistha | artagnon: yeah, sucks, dunnit? |
| 07:23.26 | Azar | artagnon: and from what I read in today's news, when ms comes out with its silverstuff, all linux users will not be able to use their flash, hence no web flash |
| 07:23.26 | markybob | artagnon: why not? |
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| 07:23.38 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 07:23.39 | artagnon | markybob: nonfree |
| 07:23.44 | ebbs | Vasistha, I dont want to exit the bash, I only want to regain my old root Dir |
| 07:23.47 | Vasistha | artagnon: it ought to supoprt flash 7 ... and perhaps later versions as well |
| 07:23.49 | [Nige] | anyone having problems with vista and samba connections |
| 07:23.57 | artagnon | Azar: oh shit |
| 07:24.12 | Vasistha | ebbs: oh ... well, I don't know how to exit chroot ... that's up to you ;-) |
| 07:24.14 | ebbs | Vasistha, this normally is done with "exit" |
| 07:24.17 | Azar | yep ms will never give plugins to linux users |
| 07:24.28 | artagnon | I'd better be happy with the Adobe shit then |
| 07:24.37 | artagnon | Azar: Naturally |
| 07:24.45 | artagnon | why would they be helping their rivals? |
| 07:25.18 | Azar | and websites will be forced to use ms's flash thing..well most of them |
| 07:25.48 | ebbs | I only want that my exit command in the script is not misinterpreted as exit-command to the script... |
| 07:25.58 | Azar | [Nige]: I guess nobody here uses vista.. |
| 07:26.07 | Vasistha | ebbs: well, see, when you 'source' a script, it is run as if you were directly typing the commands in; this is as opposed to the way you normally run a script, where a seperate process is forked for the script to be run. So, e.g. if your script assigns foo="bar" and then your script ends, and you type on your command line echo $foo then you won't get any "bar". But if you source the script, then $foo will be available in your shell. |
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| 07:27.08 | Vasistha | ebbs: oh, though, something just occurred to me -- when you do a chroot, is a new process started? because if so, your script is not going to be executed within that new process -- your script will only be resuming when the chroot call is finished |
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| 07:27.41 | K|NgGh0sT | I reconfigured Xorg now X will start, but now theres just a black screen |
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| 07:28.02 | fireba11 | how to rename a etch box ? |
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| 07:28.06 | ebbs | Vasistha, so I just kill the process..., good idea.. :-) thx |
| 07:28.12 | Vasistha | fireba11: maybe with hostname |
| 07:28.30 | fireba11 | Vasistha : i mean is that all i need to change ? |
| 07:28.40 | Vasistha | ebbs: uhh... you're welcome? didn't realize I suggested that :D |
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| 07:28.49 | pearl | fireba11: yes |
| 07:29.01 | fireba11 | nice, thanks |
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| 07:29.59 | Vasistha | ebbs: I was going to say something like, "man chroot suggests that you can run a command within the chroot ... so you might use that to run another script (or source it) which does what you need" |
| 07:30.08 | artagnon | Fantastic, just what I need. Even the proprietary flash player is only available for x86 and I'm running x86_64 |
| 07:30.21 | Vasistha | artagnon: oh yeah, you're screwed :P |
| 07:30.27 | artagnon | I guess no flash for me unless I have winblows |
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| 07:30.41 | Vasistha | artagnon: it's hard to be an early adopter :P |
| 07:31.07 | ringo999 | when booting debian i get the following error message "pm-timer running at invalid rate". any idea what this is about? |
| 07:31.16 | ringo999 | kernel: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:31.26 | cydork | artagnon: well there is nspluginwrapper. |
| 07:31.49 | artagnon | cydork: Ah yes, I didn't think of that. Thanks for the suggestion |
| 07:31.54 | cydork | artagnon: on the second thought forget what i said and continue with your mission :P |
| 07:32.05 | artagnon | ! |
| 07:32.07 | markybob | artagnon: http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ for etch packages of nspluginwrapper |
| 07:32.09 | ebbs | Vasistha, some thinking processes of mine with linux are not so developed yet.. so thx for your help... :-) |
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| 07:32.37 | Vasistha | ebbs: heh, you're welcome ... I know it's a maze, and I'm deeply lost inside it, too... |
| 07:32.38 | artagnon | markybob: Isn't it on the repos? |
| 07:32.44 | markybob | artagnon: only unstable |
| 07:32.53 | markybob | artagnon: not etch...thus that site |
| 07:33.03 | ebbs | :-) |
| 07:33.17 | artagnon | oh fish. I'm running something in between, Lenny |
| 07:33.32 | K|NgGh0sT | whats the nvidia-one-liner again? |
| 07:33.43 | fengor | !nvidia oneliner |
| 07:33.58 | artagnon | !nvidia 1liner |
| 07:34.07 | Vasistha | markybob: wow, man, how nice. have you made a dpkg factoid for that page yet? |
| 07:34.15 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia oneliner |
| 07:34.31 | markybob | Vasistha: yep, it shows the link in the nspluginwrapper factoid |
| 07:34.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Doesnt work |
| 07:34.47 | fengor | hmm dpkg isnt responding atm :/ |
| 07:34.50 | streuner | apt, nivida one-liner |
| 07:34.52 | cydork | !test |
| 07:34.55 | artagnon | markybob: I have a problem again, right? I'm running lenny |
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| 07:35.02 | streuner | use apt or badgers instead |
| 07:35.16 | artagnon | badgers: Hi |
| 07:35.17 | badgers | hello, artagnon |
| 07:35.19 | streuner | badgers, nvidia one-liner |
| 07:35.19 | badgers | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a ... |
| 07:35.23 | artagnon | this one's fine |
| 07:35.43 | Bhaskar1 | how can I built LTSP 5 in debian based linux such as Nepalinux |
| 07:35.47 | fireba11 | small question .. i want to rename a buch of files, i need to replace part of the filename with soemthing else, how to do that ? |
| 07:35.57 | markybob | artagnon: you might have to build from unstable's package. i dont know...i dont use lenny. |
| 07:36.07 | d0dge | Is there any program to read .doc files in console? Like nano? |
| 07:36.09 | Vasistha | fireba11: man rename |
| 07:36.18 | Vasistha | d0dge: antiword, catdoc, others... |
| 07:36.19 | pmv | d0dge: catdoc |
| 07:36.26 | K|NgGh0sT | oneliner will work for Etch right? |
| 07:36.37 | fengor | d0dge: apt-cache search wordview |
| 07:36.43 | fengor | i believe it was called wordview |
| 07:36.54 | artagnon | So much trouble to get a proprietary package? Forget it |
| 07:36.57 | fireba11 | Vasistha: oh.. i thought it was more complicated :-) |
| 07:37.04 | vorsprung | fireba11, have you looked at the rename program? |
| 07:37.14 | Vasistha | K|NgGh0sT: I think it will, yes. You'll notice that there's a reference to a different factoid for nvidia_sarge, thus implying that this one is for etch ;-) |
| 07:37.29 | artagnon | Later. |
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| 07:37.46 | Vasistha | fireba11: indeed, not -- we have wonderfully simple and powerful gnu tools for these common tasks! |
| 07:37.49 | stevepastelan_ | ok |
| 07:37.55 | stevepastelan_ | still getting ready to upgrade |
| 07:38.00 | stevepastelan_ | I'm getting things like |
| 07:38.04 | stevepastelan_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: xfonts-base: Depends: xfree86-common but it is not installable |
| 07:38.14 | stevepastelan_ | should I change back to sarge |
| 07:38.14 | Vasistha | %tell stevepastelan_ about enter |
| 07:38.15 | Bhaskar1 | bokey, hi |
| 07:38.20 | stevepastelan_ | remove xfonts-base |
| 07:38.31 | stevepastelan_ | then upgrade to etcha |
| 07:38.36 | stevepastelan_ | nd reinstall it later? |
| 07:39.02 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: I think the dist-upgrade will automatically take care of all that for you. |
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| 07:39.17 | Bhaskar1 | zinx, how can I built LTSP 5 in debian based linux such as Nepalinux |
| 07:39.33 | stevepastelan_ | I'm so very sorry! I will use; punctuation -- more, instead of using: the Enter key... |
| 07:39.46 | Vasistha | %tell Bhaskar1 about based on debian |
| 07:39.48 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: I doubt it |
| 07:39.56 | stevepastelan_ | Vasistha: that's the output from # aptitude -y -s -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
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| 07:40.37 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: hum. I don't know how well -s works with dist-upgrade :P |
| 07:40.43 | Bhaskar1 | VaLouille, i have Nepalinux based on debian, i want to integrate LTSP 5 in that system , but how? |
| 07:40.58 | K|NgGh0sT | still when X loads I get a black screen, and the log gives me no clue |
| 07:41.17 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 07:41.18 | Vasistha | Bhaskar1: dude, first of all, stop directing questions at people. second, stop repeating. Third, YOU ARE NOT USING DEBIAN |
| 07:41.44 | Gnea | %based on debian |
| 07:41.44 | badgers | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:41.52 | Gnea | %beer Vasistha |
| 07:41.58 | Vasistha | ahh :D |
| 07:42.02 | K|NgGh0sT | According to log, everything is working fine :( |
| 07:42.04 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:42.23 | Bhaskar1 | Vasistha, i am the user of debian , Nepalinux is based on debian |
| 07:42.33 | Vasistha | Bhaskar1: can you read english? |
| 07:42.48 | Bhaskar1 | Vasistha, ya, well |
| 07:42.57 | Gnea | Bhaskar1: i disagree. |
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| 07:43.04 | Gnea | %tell Bhaskar1 about based on debian |
| 07:43.10 | Vasistha | Bhaskar1: alright. badgers is going to send you a private message. again. lpease read it carefully. |
| 07:43.22 | Vasistha | *please |
| 07:43.24 | streuner | Bhaskar1: we support Debian nothing else here, there are several other channel where you get help for 'debian based distros' |
| 07:43.41 | Gnea | Bhaskar1: you should check out #Nepalinux |
| 07:44.02 | Bhaskar1 | Gnea, o set! |
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| 07:44.25 | stevepastelan_ | hmmmmmmm |
| 07:44.26 | K|NgGh0sT | Alright, so I did the one-liner, no change, this is my Xorg log.. http://pastebin.ca/446028 |
| 07:44.28 | Gnea | Bhaskar1: if they aren't there, then check out their mailing list, if they have one |
| 07:44.30 | stevepastelan_ | this isn't working too well |
| 07:44.30 | stevepastelan_ | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 07:44.35 | stevepastelan_ | <enormous list> |
| 07:44.52 | Gnea | stevepastelan_: that sounds about right |
| 07:44.56 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: that's what happens when you do an upgrade, not a dist-upgrade |
| 07:45.02 | stevepastelan_ | ahh so |
| 07:45.07 | Bhaskar1 | Gnea, i want to know LTSP5 not nepalinux |
| 07:45.10 | Gnea | stevepastelan_: you have to upgrade, then dist-upgrade (dist-upgrade will take care of the held-backs) |
| 07:45.16 | stevepastelan_ | *blush* this is my dist-upgrade cherry |
| 07:45.23 | Vasistha | Bhaskar1: okay. what version of debian are you using? cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:45.24 | Gnea | Bhaskar1: they have a website for that. |
| 07:45.25 | stevepastelan_ | Gnea: got it, thanks :) |
| 07:46.00 | Bhaskar1 | Vasistha, Gnome 2.14 etch |
| 07:46.20 | streuner | Bhaskar1: ok, What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:46.29 | Gnea | Bhaskar1: you're still asking in the wrong forum for help on something that is non-debian related. |
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| 07:47.13 | streuner | Bhaskar: or do you just use a debian mirror and have a 'debian based distro' installed? |
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| 07:47.47 | streuner | Sometimes its HARD to answer those questions... |
| 07:48.55 | Vasistha | well, that's another way to put it |
| 07:49.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:49.24 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there a way to purge the system of X, and nvidia drivers? Cuase I really need this fixxed |
| 07:49.26 | Gnea | "what version of bash are you using?" "grape!" "what about your mother?" |
| 07:49.31 | Guerin | my ISP sucks arse |
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| 07:49.53 | Guerin | i explained my internet problem to them (can't ping the router, needs rebooted) after 2 hours on hold |
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| 07:49.57 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: well, to remove X causes headaches |
| 07:50.05 | Guerin | they said `reboot your computer' |
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| 07:50.21 | Guerin | i said `I'm not running windows, it doesn't need it', but agreed to do so |
| 07:50.23 | streuner | badgers, remove x |
| 07:50.23 | badgers | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 07:50.24 | Guerin | then I didn't |
| 07:50.25 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner, any clue? |
| 07:50.31 | Guerin | in fact, I did absolutely nothing |
| 07:50.39 | Guerin | and the internet started working again - like magic |
| 07:50.42 | K|NgGh0sT | on howto fix it then? |
| 07:50.57 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: what kind of problem do you have to fix? |
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| 07:51.10 | Gnea | Guerin: you just had them fix a symptom to a bigger problem you were having. |
| 07:51.12 | K|NgGh0sT | lemme find the line I tyoed |
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| 07:51.37 | alleyoopster | is there a problem with dpkg? |
| 07:51.40 | streuner | fixing nvidia? fixing (remove) nvidia installer? |
| 07:51.47 | streuner | yes, just use badgers |
| 07:51.57 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: i find it highly humerous that the logfile that you posted contains not a single error stating that X failed in anyway. |
| 07:52.00 | Vasistha | Guerin: heh, when I call them I tell them I have a windoze computer and I pretend to go along with their instructions, translating as we go along |
| 07:52.05 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner, I did a dist-upgrade and then rebooted, no X, so I did the nvidia Oneliner after I did a dkpg-reconfigure on xorg, and that didnt work. now all I get is a black screen but X loads http://pastebin.ca/446028 |
| 07:52.13 | Gnea | %beer alleyoopster |
| 07:52.39 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:52.56 | Guerin | i didn't clue him in on it - no use in becoming a `problem customer' |
| 07:53.07 | Gnea | # |
| 07:53.08 | Gnea | (--) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA TV Encoder (TV-0) |
| 07:53.14 | Gnea | # |
| 07:53.16 | Gnea | (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: TV-0 |
| 07:53.21 | streuner | K|NgGh0sT: hm, sounds you used nvidia installer, right? |
| 07:53.29 | K|NgGh0sT | streuner, nope |
| 07:53.34 | streuner | nvidia-glx? |
| 07:53.37 | K|NgGh0sT | always used the one-liner |
| 07:53.41 | streuner | ok |
| 07:53.42 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: your display is a television? |
| 07:53.44 | alleyoopster | that was a fine pint8-) |
| 07:53.48 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, yes |
| 07:53.59 | pmv | is there an equivalent for ATI? |
| 07:54.06 | Vasistha | %ati |
| 07:54.06 | badgers | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
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| 07:54.17 | ubd_ | hello |
| 07:54.34 | pmv | in my experience, fglrx doesn't play well with uswsusp.. ah well.. |
| 07:54.45 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: could you please paste your xorg.conf? |
| 07:54.54 | K|NgGh0sT | yeap, one sec |
| 07:55.09 | ubd_ | i am going to install debian, do i have to get all cds? |
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| 07:55.22 | streuner | ubd_: no |
| 07:55.26 | pmv | ubd_: do you have Internet access to the machine? |
| 07:55.37 | pmv | ubd_: if you do, netinstall will work fine |
| 07:55.45 | pmv | I usually do that |
| 07:55.50 | streuner | ubd_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 07:56.02 | Gnea | ubd_: not necessarily....the only reason to get all of the CDs is if you're planning on installing on a non-networked computer... at which point, you might as well just grab the 3 DVDs and burn those |
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| 07:56.13 | ubd_ | if i get cd 1 &2 would that be ok for installation |
| 07:56.21 | mkl1525 | Hi, if I have some files that are all symbolic links and only the last a regular file is there a way to show directly the last file, looking up each symbloic link is a pain |
| 07:56.25 | streuner | ubd_: just get a netinstall-CD |
| 07:56.27 | Vasistha | ubd_: in all likelihood the net install cd will be okay. |
| 07:56.35 | K|NgGh0sT | My xorg.conf is http://pastebin.ca/446036 |
| 07:56.38 | Gnea | ubd_: cd1 would be fine, but if you install everything via the internet, just get the netinstall cd |
| 07:56.46 | Vasistha | mkl1525: maybe 'realpath' |
| 07:56.48 | alleyoopster | ubd_: cd1 can define what desktop you want also, there is a cd1 for xfce and kde in addition to the defaul which is gnome |
| 07:57.30 | ubd_ | cd1 would connect me to internet on a window manager right? |
| 07:57.34 | cybermad | how to increase the timeout settings for SSH? |
| 07:57.51 | ubd_ | after installation of course |
| 07:57.54 | alleyoopster | ubd_: yes you are given option for ftp additional setup |
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| 07:57.59 | Gnea | ubd_: yes. |
| 07:58.00 | K|NgGh0sT | Its weird, never have had issues with Debian Besides Nvidia/X and Alsa randomly removing itsself |
| 07:58.05 | ubd_ | cool thanks |
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| 07:58.23 | ubd_ | 1 more: what s the kde cd is for |
| 07:58.26 | mkl1525 | Vasistha, thanks that's it |
| 07:58.48 | Vasistha | cybermad: check out the configs in /etc/ssh |
| 07:58.54 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: i see you're using the nv driver |
| 07:58.56 | alleyoopster | ubd_: kde desktop |
| 07:58.59 | ubd_ | do i need kde cd to install kde |
| 07:59.00 | cybermad | Vasistha thanks.. |
| 07:59.03 | Vasistha | np |
| 07:59.07 | jindal | hey guys, is there any svn frontend like tortoise which can check out repos over http/https? |
| 07:59.08 | ubd_ | cd1 +kde cd? |
| 07:59.17 | stevepastelan_ | hello again: while upgrading from sarge to etch, I understand that I need to install a new kernel (linux-image). Do I need to reboot before the dist-upgrade? Or will it happen fine without that? |
| 07:59.19 | alleyoopster | ubd_ no just kde cd1 |
| 07:59.22 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: nv won't work on a TV, you need the nvidia |
| 07:59.30 | ubd_ | allright |
| 07:59.37 | fireba11 | hm .. what happened to killall in etch ? |
| 07:59.39 | K|NgGh0sT | I've used nv before, lemme change it to nvidia |
| 07:59.59 | Gnea | fireba11: it's gone? tried kill -9 `pidof app`? |
| 08:00.44 | fireba11 | Gnea: i'm installing vmware server and it complains about killall missing :-) |
| 08:00.44 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: it actually doesn't matter that much, I don't think. I did the dist-upgrade, and then I was still running 2.6.8, and all was fine ... then I installed 2.6.18. |
| 08:00.54 | stevepastelan_ | I see. |
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| 08:01.36 | ubd_ | debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ are the latest right? |
| 08:01.36 | Gnea | fireba11: is vmware-server a .deb? :) |
| 08:01.37 | fireba11 | Gnea: no, a perl script that compiles a kernel module |
| 08:01.37 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: there are probably reasons why one person or another would want to do one vs the other thing first; I think the most significant change, though, is to udev |
| 08:01.37 | cydork | fireba11: it should be psmisc i think.. /msg badgers search |
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| 08:01.56 | stevepastelan_ | What's udev? Is it important? |
| 08:02.21 | cydork | %udev |
| 08:02.21 | badgers | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 08:02.25 | Gnea | fireba11: right, so you'll need to either edit the script to not use killall or find a copy of killall and put it in the path of the script |
| 08:02.28 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: udev is the new paradigm of hardware detection, including dynamic population of your /dev/ directory |
| 08:02.28 | pmv | hehe |
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| 08:02.33 | fireba11 | cydork: yes, thanks |
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| 08:03.06 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, I got the nvidia driver logo, and then a black screen |
| 08:03.13 | fireba11 | Gnea: true .. fount it, it's just not installed with netinstall yb default |
| 08:03.19 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: what TV do you have? |
| 08:03.31 | jelly-home | fireba11: um, do you have psmisc installed? |
| 08:03.42 | Gnea | fireba11: oh nice |
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| 08:03.46 | drwahl | where can i download a lenny netinstall iso? |
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| 08:04.04 | streuner | topic |
| 08:04.09 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, Random Apex, nothing special |
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| 08:04.22 | stevepastelan_ | oh |
| 08:04.23 | stevepastelan_ | extreme |
| 08:04.25 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, X always worked before |
| 08:04.30 | jelly-home | fireba11: pkill is there by default though |
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| 08:04.37 | ndowens | hey is anyone having problems with installing xfce4 in sid, and please dont tell me b/c it is sid |
| 08:04.37 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: so what changed? |
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| 08:05.21 | Vasistha | !hello |
| 08:05.21 | dpkg | Hi, vasistha! |
| 08:05.28 | Vasistha | three cheers for dondelelcaro !!! |
| 08:05.31 | jelly-home | ndowens: what other answer would you expect? :-) |
| 08:05.39 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, I just dist-upgraded and it broke X |
| 08:05.43 | mkl1525 | since upgrade from sarge to etch running php cli script results in "Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/ssh2.so'" although the script doesn't need any ssh explicit. but looking at packages.debian.org doesn't find a file ss2.so in current stable nor old-stable. any hints? |
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| 08:06.17 | ndowens | yea i know, i mean it says the deps are not installable for some reason |
| 08:06.20 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: check out all of the files in the nvidia packages and make sure there isn't anything leftover from the previous version or symlinks to the wrong libGL |
| 08:06.35 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, how do I do that? |
| 08:06.36 | jelly-home | ndowens: so just wait until they all trickle into sid. |
| 08:06.50 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: look at the files that the current nvidia .deb files provide |
| 08:07.09 | Gnea | dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/some.deb |
| 08:07.21 | Gnea | dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep nvidia |
| 08:07.21 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii | grep nvidia 1.4-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:07.39 | Vasistha | mkl1525: well, you could pastebin dpkg -l '*php*' just to make sure everything's properly installed |
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| 08:07.59 | jelly-home | ndowens: it might be possible that the maintainer mistakenly built against a dep. from experimental (that is not part of xfce4 source), in that case file a bug |
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| 08:08.23 | Gnea | dpkg -l '*nvidia*' | grep ^ii <-- even better |
| 08:08.24 | dpkg | ii '*nvidia*' | grep ^ii <-- even better 1.9-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:08.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, no sure exactly what I am looking for |
| 08:09.15 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: hrmmm... i've seen mesa overwrite /usr/lib/libGL* files before, so that libGL.so doesn't get symlinked to nvidia's drivers |
| 08:09.18 | Vasistha | that factoid is kind of annoying :P |
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| 08:09.43 | stevepastelan_ | ok thanks for the help all |
| 08:09.48 | mkl1525 | Vasistha, thanks for your help http://pastebin.ca/446052 |
| 08:09.49 | stevepastelan_ | I'll let the distupgrade run overnight |
| 08:09.57 | stevepastelan_ | and come back here and cry in the morning |
| 08:10.06 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: good luck!! hopefully no crying! |
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| 08:10.12 | stevepastelan_ | :D well I hope so too |
| 08:10.24 | stevepastelan_ | good night, and thanks again for your patience |
| 08:10.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Like, everything seems to be fine |
| 08:10.31 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: you might want to watch it for just a little while; mine actually crashed out, and I had to re-start it again with a -f |
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| 08:10.55 | Vasistha | stevepastelan_: of course, I did it before it actually went stable, so that kink might have been worked out by the final stable release |
| 08:11.10 | stevepastelan_ | reeeally.. mine seems to be going for now: it already finished downloading, and installed about 20 packages already |
| 08:11.24 | stevepastelan_ | I sure hope it works |
| 08:11.25 | K|NgGh0sT | anyway to completely remove all my nvidia crap and start fresh? |
| 08:11.30 | stevepastelan_ | what does -f do again? |
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| 08:11.59 | drwahl | -f is "fix" |
| 08:12.08 | stevepastelan_ | ah I see |
| 08:12.09 | drwahl | in reference to apt |
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| 08:12.31 | Vasistha | mkl1525: okay, it looks like you have php4-common and php5-common both installed ... that might cause a problem :P |
| 08:12.33 | markybob | stevepastelan_: in apt-get, you mean? |
| 08:12.38 | stevepastelan_ | aptitude |
| 08:12.42 | stevepastelan_ | but same thing I assume |
| 08:13.02 | markybob | stevepastelan_: it's not the same. that's why i asked |
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| 08:13.08 | drwahl | correct, apt-get is a function of the package "aptitude" |
| 08:13.08 | stevepastelan_ | oh! |
| 08:13.15 | K|NgGh0sT | I think i did something to piss off the Nvidia/Xserver Gods |
| 08:13.26 | solid_liq | K|NgGh0sT, whoops |
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| 08:14.40 | K|NgGh0sT | Like there is no reason why this shouldnt work |
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| 08:15.31 | Vasistha | oh, I can think of lots of reasons why it shouldn't work..... |
| 08:15.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Its not cause I touch myeslf at night either |
| 08:16.06 | robin_sz | you don't? |
| 08:16.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats the reason my dog died |
| 08:16.30 | robin_sz | you wanked your dog? |
| 08:16.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, so any clues? |
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| 08:18.15 | robin_sz | nVidia always seems to cause trouble |
| 08:18.40 | robin_sz | im almsot regretting ardering my new laptop with an nVidia card ... almost. but not quite |
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| 08:19.15 | tarzeau | robin_sz: never does so, here |
| 08:19.15 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: well, this should remove all nvidia things: apt-get remove `dpkg -l '*nvidia*' | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' '` |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | robin_sz: i find ati much worse |
| 08:19.37 | robin_sz | nvidia seems to have one of the few useable OpenGL cards |
| 08:19.52 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: reinstalling X things won't make a difference |
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| 08:20.12 | robin_sz | a nice fx2500 with 512mb of ram :) |
| 08:20.15 | Gnea | the nvidia go cards work just fine |
| 08:20.30 | robin_sz | the go stuff is non opengl |
| 08:20.32 | Vasistha | mkl1525: good luck... night! |
| 08:20.40 | Gnea | no it's not |
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| 08:20.49 | robin_sz | the geofx stuff? |
| 08:20.50 | mkl1525 | Vasistha, will try to remove php5 - thanks again |
| 08:21.06 | Gnea | robin_sz: i've used opengl with my go, works just fine |
| 08:21.40 | robin_sz | Gnea, the cards supprot openGL? you sure? I thought that range did the hard stuff in the driver |
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| 08:21.54 | K|NgGh0sT | My HTPC has a FX5200, nothing but issues |
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| 08:22.08 | Gnea | robin_sz: are you sure we're talking about the same level of opengl? |
| 08:22.21 | robin_sz | Gnea, no, I suspect we are not |
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| 08:23.18 | Gnea | it's called 'go' because it's a portable version of the nvidia chipset, it's nvidia and it is 3d capable, and opengl works with it, both hardware and software renderers. |
| 08:23.41 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Unable to initialize the X Int10 module; the console may not |
| 08:23.41 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) NVIDIA(0): be restored correctly on your TV. |
| 08:23.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Those are the only two error lines |
| 08:23.50 | K|NgGh0sT | Which makes no sense to me |
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| 08:23.54 | Gnea | aah |
| 08:23.58 | Gnea | now we're getting somewhere |
| 08:24.17 | markybob | my go 7200 works flawlessly. i feel bad for those of you who dont just have it work :) |
| 08:24.23 | Gnea | i didn't see that the first time |
| 08:24.26 | K|NgGh0sT | But why do I get the Nvidia Logo Screen? |
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| 08:24.47 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: because it's obviously initializing... |
| 08:25.06 | benet | how to turn my rsync backup to a system drive? |
| 08:25.26 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: try commenting out Load "int10" |
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| 08:26.48 | ringo999 | this is strange, i once had apache/apache2 installed and removed using aptitude, but something is still trying to execute /usr/sbin/apache during boot. How to fix that issue? |
| 08:27.26 | Gnea | ringo999: remove whatever's trying to execute it |
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| 08:28.08 | yvan | hi |
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| 08:28.42 | benet | DEOP stew |
| 08:28.50 | ootput | for those of you running a pure non-gnome non-kde system, do you take any measures to prevent gnome/kde libs or such things as avahi/dbus/fam from getting installed? |
| 08:29.17 | ootput | i've attempted to install simple-looking gtk apps that, lo' and behold, pull in a massive number of dependencies |
| 08:29.17 | ringo999 | Gnea: but how can I see what is trying to execute it? which log would you look it? |
| 08:29.45 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, is there a way to restart x from ssh? |
| 08:29.56 | K|NgGh0sT | I cant find an init for it |
| 08:30.10 | Gnea | ootput: i don't - if an application needs it, it'll install. the non-kde/non-gnome applications don't use them, so they don't actually get loaded into memory unless an application specifically calls them, and even then they're not in memory for much longer after the app is stopped, so it's not a big deal. |
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| 08:30.31 | yvan | i'm experiencing some troubles with mysql on a testing sytem, after yesterday's upgrade. that is, i can't even reinstall it : dpkg hang up after "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld." (i tried to remove --purge it, but that didn't help) |
| 08:30.53 | Gnea | ringo999: there is no log, you'll have to look at scrollback or grep the startup scripts |
| 08:30.57 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, same issue with that commented out |
| 08:31.10 | ringo999 | Gnea: where are the startup scripts located? |
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| 08:31.12 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: yeah, just run it |
| 08:31.24 | Gnea | ringo999: /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:31.31 | ringo999 | Gnea: ok |
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| 08:32.45 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, anymore ideas? |
| 08:33.05 | ringo999 | Gnea: there are still statup scripts for apache/apache2, even though I dont have them installed, that shouldnt be, should it? Am I safe to just delete it? |
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| 08:33.54 | Gnea | ringo999: i would see what packages those files belong to and see if they're truely still installed or not |
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| 08:37.39 | Raging_Heikki | I wonder why I can't see a jpg-file that both WinXP and Ubuntu can, I instead see black(Firefox says there are errors in the pic). libjpeg62 version 6b-13(Ubuntu box has the same) |
| 08:38.12 | Gnea | Raging_Heikki: what about feh? |
| 08:38.17 | Raging_Heikki | black |
| 08:38.39 | Gnea | Raging_Heikki: what about a png? |
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| 08:38.59 | Raging_Heikki | I converted the jpg with imagemagick to a pdf, then it shows ok |
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| 08:39.21 | Gnea | welp, that doesn't answer my question |
| 08:39.31 | Gnea | ok, i give up then |
| 08:41.12 | ar | When i try boot from my install-CD (debian-4.0r0), i receive message : Isolinux: Disk error 01 AX = 42E9, Drive FF, How i can fix this problem? |
| 08:41.12 | Raging_Heikki | I converted it to png, it works then |
| 08:41.12 | Raging_Heikki | but I wish I could see all jpgs without converting them |
| 08:41.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Google serach Unable to load "xf86ExecX86int10". |
| 08:41.12 | K|NgGh0sT | doesnt help |
| 08:41.12 | \amethyst | Do you have problems with many jpegs? |
| 08:41.12 | \amethyst | and can you supply the file? |
| 08:41.12 | \amethyst | And have you run jpeginfo on it? |
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| 08:41.43 | Raging_Heikki | amethyst, we received a load of jpgs from an ad firm, they were made with mac I think. I don't think I'm allowed to distribute the files |
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| 08:42.15 | ringo9991 | Gnea: i removed the apache / apache2 daemon scripts and reinstalled apache2 from apitutde. However, apache2 is not daemon started on bootup? |
| 08:42.51 | Raging_Heikki | jpeginfo output: etukontti_sininen.jpg 1110 x 824 32bit Exif N 366500 |
| 08:43.35 | \amethyst | Raging_Heikki: hmm... perhaps the 32bit has something to do with it? |
| 08:43.48 | liable | Raging_Heikki: did you selete config files too? |
| 08:43.48 | ringo9991 | exit |
| 08:43.53 | liable | ringo9991: ^^^ |
| 08:43.56 | liable | duh |
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| 08:44.37 | Raging_Heikki | liable, what config files? which selete? |
| 08:45.22 | liable | Raging_Heikki: nicktab borkage, sorry |
| 08:45.28 | ringo999_ | how do i get the /etc/init.d/apache2 script back? |
| 08:45.47 | ringo999_ | i have removed it manually .. :( |
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| 08:46.21 | jelly-home | ringo999_: either purge and reinstall or /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 08:46.29 | brendonjt | hi all i am looking at getting a blackberry pda, will this work with evolution on etch |
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| 08:47.08 | ringo999_ | jelly-home: you mean purge apache2? |
| 08:47.10 | jelly-home | ringo999_: make sure to backup your current config if there's any thing important |
| 08:47.21 | \amethyst | ringo999_: dpkg -i --force-confnew package.deb |
| 08:47.24 | \amethyst | err |
| 08:47.32 | \amethyst | ringo999_: dpkg -i --force-confmiss package.deb |
| 08:47.32 | jelly-home | ringo999_: I mean the package that contained that file. |
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| 08:48.05 | scx | or someone could just pastebin the file |
| 08:48.07 | jelly-home | ringo999_: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/apache2 should say which package is that |
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| 08:48.10 | liable | apache2-common |
| 08:48.22 | brendonjt | hi all i am looking at getting a blackberry pda, will this work with evolution on etch |
| 08:48.31 | scx | he could loose other stuff |
| 08:48.37 | d0dge | pmv, fengor: Thanks for your help |
| 08:48.57 | \amethyst | look for /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2-common_<latest version>.deb |
| 08:49.33 | jelly-home | scx: aye, but this works the next time some conffile is deleted mistakenly |
| 08:49.42 | liable | scx: it doesnt overwrite other files |
| 08:49.54 | scx | right |
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| 08:50.11 | liable | just replaces the missing ones |
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| 08:50.30 | \amethyst | it will overwrite your conffiles if you have set up debconf to do so |
| 08:51.03 | liable | it will? whats debconf got to do with? |
| 08:51.25 | ringo999_ | jelly-home & amethyst: thanks, I'm back on track! |
| 08:51.30 | \amethyst | err, sorry |
| 08:51.35 | \amethyst | my mistake. |
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| 08:52.00 | \amethyst | You want --force-confmiss --force-confold |
| 08:52.36 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, thanks for your help, I'll see what I can find later |
| 08:52.49 | Gnea | K|NgGh0sT: good luck... |
| 08:52.50 | sussudio | %nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 08:52.52 | badgers | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, sussudio |
| 08:53.23 | Lovecraft | I could go for some zuchinni and an avacado. |
| 08:53.38 | K|NgGh0sT | Gnea, it seems to be a common bug |
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| 08:54.14 | liable | Lovecraft: only if its on pizza |
| 08:54.28 | liable | actually, even thats wrong |
| 08:54.34 | Lovecraft | liable: Raw .. with a little salt. |
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| 08:54.50 | liable | raw zuchini with salt eh? |
| 08:54.58 | liable | sounds a bit funky |
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| 08:55.06 | Lovecraft | Good stuff. |
| 08:55.21 | Raging_Heikki | back with the jpeg problem, found a nifty flag for jpeginfo: etukontti_sininen.jpg 1110 x 824 32bit Exif Normal Huffman 366500 Unsupported color conversion request [ERROR]. Why do other systems show this? |
| 08:55.40 | Raging_Heikki | *show this image properly |
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| 08:57.52 | \amethyst | Raging_Heikki: where does that error come from? |
| 08:57.59 | \amethyst | Raging_Heikki: I mean, what's the flag? |
| 08:58.00 | xjkx | what IDE should i use to work with C ? please no eclipse |
| 08:58.07 | Raging_Heikki | \amethyst, jpeginfo -ic |
| 08:58.08 | \amethyst | xjkx: vim |
| 08:58.22 | xjkx | \amethyst, it doesnt make formattings ;/ |
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| 08:58.25 | Raging_Heikki | xjkx, gvim and xterm |
| 08:58.28 | \amethyst | xjkx: formattings? |
| 08:58.30 | Peanut | Hi all - I've got a Debian Etch - I'd like to know how to enable the different TCP implementations (Vegas, Reno, HSTCP etc.) - I can find a lot of articles on how they are supposed to perform, but how do you get your OS to select one? |
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| 08:58.45 | Raging_Heikki | xjkx, vim formats the world if you tell it to |
| 08:58.53 | \amethyst | xjkx: try =a{ in command mode to indent the current {}-block |
| 08:58.57 | \amethyst | s/command/normal/ |
| 08:59.04 | \amethyst | xjkx: emacs? |
| 08:59.11 | \amethyst | it's more difficult to configure |
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| 09:00.33 | xjkx | I am not sure if i really mean formatting, you know when you put if(xx) { (and you type enter) and it add a space next...i dont know its hard to explain in english xD |
| 09:00.46 | \amethyst | xjkx: :set autoindent in vim |
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| 09:01.36 | \amethyst | xjkx: :set autoindent cindent |
| 09:01.48 | \amethyst | xjkx: it's kind of strange that that stuff isn't enabled |
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| 09:02.21 | xjkx | wow o.o |
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| 09:02.42 | xjkx | can i set it default? |
| 09:02.56 | \amethyst | xjkx: you can put those commands in your .vimrc |
| 09:03.36 | \amethyst | actually you probably don't want cindent in your .vimrc, since it's only for C/C++ files |
| 09:03.51 | \amethyst | and Java etc |
| 09:04.01 | liable | i thought autoindent was enabled by default? |
| 09:04.14 | \amethyst | me too |
| 09:04.17 | xjkx | but thats what i want, with C :> |
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| 09:04.29 | \amethyst | xjkx: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim say? |
| 09:04.30 | markybob | fucking fuck...i wish virtual reality existed to the point where you could kill virtual representations of people/things that piss you off. like the boss |
| 09:04.36 | xjkx | I actually don't use vim for anything else, i am a pico user |
| 09:04.54 | \amethyst | xjkx: Get used to vim and you'll change your mind :) |
| 09:05.18 | \amethyst | xjkx: when you edit a .c file in vim, is it colorful? |
| 09:05.28 | xjkx | lets see |
| 09:05.50 | Raging_Heikki | update to the jpeg problem: I can see the image fine with ImageMagicks display-command |
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| 09:06.30 | xjkx | yea its colorful :D |
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| 09:07.02 | \amethyst | xjkx: well, at least some of the features are on by default :) |
| 09:07.09 | xjkx | vim isnt bad at all, bu vi sucks, it doesn't allow us to backspace :> |
| 09:07.15 | xjkx | s/bu/but |
| 09:07.23 | markybob | glad to see dpkg is back in working order. thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 09:07.34 | qiyong | how to tell vsftpd to use a specific range of ports for passive ftp? |
| 09:07.50 | \amethyst | xjkx: backspacing is slow |
| 09:07.57 | teclo- | Hello, how can I "redo" the network detection and configuration done by debian-installer ? dpkg-reconfigure something perhaps ? |
| 09:08.19 | xjkx | :P |
| 09:08.27 | \amethyst | xjkx: dT( deletes everything from here back to but not including the previous ( |
| 09:08.35 | \amethyst | (on the current line) |
| 09:08.35 | liable | teclo-: nope, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:08.53 | teclo- | liable: Did that. eth0 never comes up |
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| 09:09.21 | liable | teclo-: and you have it set to auto? |
| 09:09.28 | teclo- | liable: yes |
| 09:09.32 | xjkx | thanks for sharing |
| 09:09.33 | teclo- | liable: and the driver is in lsmod |
| 09:09.51 | liable | teclo-: ifconfig doesnt show it? |
| 09:10.48 | enyc | Hrrm... I can use "minicom" to get ttyS0 no problem... I can use "wy60" program at the console along with ssh to connect to a ssh service too.... but I would like to know how to use wy60 on the local machine in combination with minicom (or something) in order to connect to a wyse60-expecting-host on the ttyS0 port! ;-) suggestions appeciated! |
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| 09:12.36 | ma3x | what's the easiest way to write to ntfs partition? |
| 09:12.38 | tarzeau | how can i tell d-i preseed to use the first harddisk, without saying hda or sda? |
| 09:12.43 | enyc | ma3x: ntfs-3g I think |
| 09:12.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: mount it rw? |
| 09:12.57 | enyc | tarzeau: the in-kernel driver cannot do much writing to NTFS |
| 09:13.00 | ma3x | does it mount read only by default? |
| 09:13.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: i think so, mount should tell |
| 09:13.12 | enyc | tarzeau: the in-kernel dirver will do only very limited "safe" things to NTFS |
| 09:13.20 | tarzeau | enyc: i know |
| 09:13.45 | enyc | ma3x: it may do,, but it doesnt help as the IN KERNEL DRIVER will not do much writing to NTFS anyway... only change data in non-resident files and suchlike... |
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| 09:14.06 | enyc | ma3x: however if you can get a recent NTFS-3G instead you may be able to write to NTFS properly |
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| 09:14.11 | ma3x | enyc: I'm trying to copy about 7 GB data from ntfs to ntfs partition |
| 09:14.31 | enyc | ma3x: you need to setup ntfs-3g then |
| 09:14.44 | ma3x | ok thanks a lot |
| 09:14.46 | jelly-home | ma3x: well, there's the 1.0+ version of ntfs-3g in unstable. |
| 09:15.01 | jelly-home | previous versions had more bugs |
| 09:15.02 | ma3x | anyway I was wondering, is there any way to disable the touchpad on a laptop/ |
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| 09:15.14 | Enverex | What version number is Lenny? |
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| 09:15.39 | jelly-home | Enverex: not known yet |
| 09:15.41 | xand | Enverex: who knows |
| 09:15.46 | enyc | ma3x: ntfs-3g is not in any Debian release so far.. but you may be able to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/ntfs-3g version on Etch depending on dependancies |
| 09:16.02 | Enverex | hmm, I would have thought they'd give it a number before a name, lol |
| 09:16.09 | jelly-home | enyc: err... |
| 09:16.14 | jelly-home | !info ntfs-3g stable |
| 09:16.15 | utrrrongeeb | Sometimes my mouse cursor suddenly refuses to repeat characters. It doesn't happen all the time. I don't see anything that might be causing it. I'm (still) using Sarge and Xfce. |
| 09:16.18 | ma3x | enyc: it is, I just installed it with aptitude |
| 09:16.31 | enyc | ma3x: thats odd its not appearing in packages.debian.org for me |
| 09:16.35 | ma3x | is sid now renamed to etch? |
| 09:16.42 | xand | ma3x: no! |
| 09:16.44 | jelly-home | !sid |
| 09:16.44 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:17.07 | ma3x | !etch |
| 09:17.07 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procudure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 09:17.10 | xjkx | \amethyst, can i undo here? |
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| 09:17.14 | ma3x | !lenny |
| 09:17.14 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. |
| 09:17.23 | bzed | enyc: ntfs-3g is in testing and unstable for sure |
| 09:17.41 | ma3x | what was testing named before? |
| 09:18.01 | Kevin` | testing was previously etch |
| 09:19.38 | enyc | bzed: sure.. but what about etch ? |
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| 09:19.52 | enyc | ma3x: do your surces.list point at "Etch" ? |
| 09:19.59 | enyc | ma3x: or "testing" ?? |
| 09:20.04 | zulin | hi *nix people=) |
| 09:20.12 | enyc | zulin: meepmeep |
| 09:20.13 | teclo- | liable: no... |
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| 09:21.30 | zulin | does anybody install debian on multipath device? |
| 09:21.39 | enyc | ma3x: ? |
| 09:21.50 | Peanut | zulin: I have - make sure you kill Network Manager. |
| 09:21.51 | Enverex | Someone just complained because they wanted to submit Wine testing data and Lenny wasn't on the list of distros.... |
| 09:21.54 | liable | teclo-: put your interfaces file on a pastebot |
| 09:22.29 | teclo- | liable: I can't, I can't ssh to the machine heh |
| 09:22.31 | teclo- | no network |
| 09:22.41 | teclo- | it's not interfaces which is wrong |
| 09:22.44 | teclo- | it's something else |
| 09:22.50 | liable | teclo-: does it have a keyboard? |
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| 09:23.04 | liable | teclo-: and how exactly do you know that? |
| 09:23.18 | teclo- | also uhh... does anybody know how to tell the kernel the partition table has changed, without rebooting ? there is "partprobe" but I cannot find it .... |
| 09:23.31 | teclo- | liable: well I think my /etc/network/interfaces is 100% correct |
| 09:23.43 | teclo- | liable: I know the file structure very well ;) |
| 09:23.55 | enyc | ma3x: Ive just logged into an Etch machine (upgraded from Sarge), and it is NOT finding ntfs-3g in the "apt-cache search" ... tried "ntfs" "3g" "ntfs-3g" "ntfs3g"... Im convinced ntfs-3g is NOT in etch |
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| 09:24.09 | Peanut | How do I enable Vegas TCP on Etch? According to the tcp(7) manpage I should put a 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_vegas_cong_avoid, but it's not listed in /proc and I just get a "No such file/directory" when I try to create it. |
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| 09:24.31 | Peanut | It's listed as a module in the kernel menuconf. |
| 09:24.43 | enyc | Peanut: you may need to load the module then |
| 09:25.07 | Peanut | enyc: /sbin/modprobe tcp_vegas ? |
| 09:25.07 | enyc | Peanut: check "lsmod"... "modprobe (name)" the module... then check "lsmod" and "dmesg" ... |
| 09:25.14 | enyc | Peanut: if that is the name of the module |
| 09:25.18 | teclo- | it says stuff like "eth0: No such interface" |
| 09:25.20 | enyc | Peanut: you need to know what the module is called |
| 09:25.40 | utrrrongeeb | Sometimes my mouse cursor suddenly refuses to repeat characters. It doesn't happen all the time. I don't see anything that might be causing it. I'm (still) using Sarge and Xfce. |
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| 09:25.46 | Peanut | audit dev=eth1 TCP vegas registered |
| 09:25.54 | enyc | Peanut: aha... |
| 09:25.57 | Peanut | That looks like some progress.. :-) |
| 09:26.01 | enyc | Peanut: now look in /proc/sys whatnot... |
| 09:26.07 | Peanut | Still not there |
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| 09:26.30 | enyc | Peanut: the fact it says "TCP vegas registered" suggests it may be on anyway... |
| 09:26.41 | enyc | Peanut: or not... you need to ask people who know more -) |
| 09:26.52 | Peanut | enyc: thanks, I was hoping to find them here :-) |
| 09:27.22 | enyc | Hrrm... I can use "minicom" to get ttyS0 no problem... I can use "wy60" program at the console along with ssh to connect to a ssh service too.... but I would like to know how to use wy60 on the local machine in combination with minicom (or something) in order to connect to a wyse60-expecting-host on the ttyS0 port! ;-) suggestions appeciated! ... where should I ask. ? |
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| 09:28.27 | enyc | Peanut: hrrm are both ends windowscaling enabled? |
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| 09:28.40 | enyc | Peanut: are there any stateful firewalls affecting it? |
| 09:28.44 | Mathiazz | hi, how root can write on a nfs partition? |
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| 09:29.00 | enyc | Peanut: are there any routers clobbling the windowscale flags? |
| 09:29.06 | Peanut | enyc: not afaik. |
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| 09:29.33 | jnsears | va |
| 09:29.38 | enyc | Peanut: don't know ;-) |
| 09:30.04 | jnsears | does anyone know if there is some specific problem with java on etch? |
| 09:30.09 | Peanut | I've done a modload of tcp_westwood too now - no errors, but no entry in /proc to enable it. |
| 09:30.15 | zulin | Peanut: sorry, was afk=) why network manager should be killed? |
| 09:30.19 | xand | jnsears: like what? |
| 09:30.28 | jnsears | i wrote a command line java app that works great on my OSX laptop, but keeps killing my dedicated debian server |
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| 09:30.48 | kenet | i have executed this command "dupdate-rc.d prestop stop 99 5 ." and i have checked that the mode for /etc/init.d/prestop is 744 and K99prestop is in /etc/rc5.But prestop is not executed during shutdown. what else to check? |
| 09:30.50 | Mathiazz | i am stting up a grid middleware, condor, and i have some probleme, because root can t write on nfs filesystem |
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| 09:31.14 | Peanut | zulin: because it takes it on itself to do dhcp on interfaces, update your routing and resolv.conf etc - ok for a desktop/laptop I guess, but a disaster for a machine with a complicated networking setup. I just apt-get removed it. |
| 09:31.38 | \amethyst | jnsears: which java vm are you using, and what does the program do? |
| 09:31.51 | jnsears | I initially had 1.5.0 on the server |
| 09:31.55 | jnsears | i also tried 1.6 |
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| 09:32.09 | jnsears | the program grabs a web page and an image from the web |
| 09:32.10 | enyc | jnsears: OSX includes Sun Java JRE iirc... DEbian Etch has sun-java5-jre in "non-free"... |
| 09:32.28 | jnsears | goes through the image to grab out some data |
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| 09:32.33 | jnsears | which it then stores in a database |
| 09:32.51 | \amethyst | what kind of database? |
| 09:33.13 | jnsears | mysql |
| 09:33.17 | jnsears | local on the debian box |
| 09:33.41 | \amethyst | and on the OS X box? |
| 09:33.57 | jnsears | i was using the mysql on the debian |
| 09:34.02 | jnsears | over the net |
| 09:34.09 | zulin | Peanut: oh, i mean io multipath. fiber channel storage with two controllers=) |
| 09:34.29 | \amethyst | jnsears: and how does it kill your server? |
| 09:34.45 | jnsears | stone cold |
| 09:34.52 | jnsears | all the terminals just stop responding |
| 09:34.54 | jnsears | no ping |
| 09:34.56 | jnsears | no ssh |
| 09:34.57 | \amethyst | jnsears: out of memory? |
| 09:35.01 | jnsears | have to call support for a reboot |
| 09:35.07 | jnsears | don't think so. I've got 2GB |
| 09:35.12 | kenet | update-rc.d prestop stop 99 5 . will this command cause prestop to be executed during shutdown? |
| 09:35.13 | jnsears | and i set the java heap to 128MB |
| 09:35.38 | kenet | or should it be 6 instead of 5? |
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| 09:36.36 | kenet | wtf. am i online? |
| 09:36.59 | \amethyst | kenet: you need both 6 (reboot) and 0 (halt) |
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| 09:37.24 | enyc | ma3x: please answer query above |
| 09:37.36 | kenet | \amethyst: 6 and 0 but not 5? |
| 09:37.41 | enyc | ma3x: I was trying to find out if your /etc/apt/sources.list has "etch" or "testing" ... |
| 09:38.02 | \amethyst | kenet: Correct. also, the 99 should probably be a lower number |
| 09:38.10 | kenet | thks. |
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| 09:38.19 | \amethyst | kenet: in general, it should be 100 minus whatever it starts at |
| 09:38.36 | \amethyst | kenet: so things get stopped in the opposite order they were started |
| 09:39.28 | Peanut | Ok, I found it.. once again the Linux documentation is hopelessly out of date with reality ;-) It's in sysctl tcp_congestion_control |
| 09:39.45 | _sf7 | how do i change the path? ive done gedit X, filled X thus: export PATH=/bla/bla |
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| 09:39.56 | _sf7 | now i try to run X but it wont change the path |
| 09:40.09 | \amethyst | _sf7: yeah, it doesn't work that way |
| 09:40.20 | \amethyst | _sf7: the program X can't change the shell's environment |
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| 09:40.51 | _sf7 | okay, how to do it? |
| 09:41.00 | _sf7 | do i have to be su? |
| 09:41.06 | \amethyst | _sf7: you seem to know how to change your path |
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| 09:41.15 | \amethyst | _sf7: or do you mean the default path? |
| 09:41.24 | _sf7 | i wanna append the def path |
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| 09:41.33 | \amethyst | _sf7: for you or for all users? |
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| 09:41.51 | _sf7 | eithers ok. say for everyone |
| 09:42.11 | \amethyst | _sf7: edit /etc/login.defs, look for ENV_PATH |
| 09:42.28 | _sf7 | ta! |
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| 09:45.53 | Peanut | sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_mem reports max memory usage for TCP, but it's in pages, not in byte. How big would a page be? |
| 09:46.06 | ma3x | how do I resize a partition? |
| 09:46.23 | cybermad | i already install debian twice.. 1st i install the 4.0 r0 (Etch) on my AMD CPU, but sometime i got "Page Not Found" when accessing the webserver, i can not connect to SSH, either to FTP Server.. then i assume this is maybe AMD problem or Etch problem |
| 09:47.05 | ma3x | !resize |
| 09:47.15 | cybermad | then i install 3.1 r2 (Sarge) at Intel CPU, but few minutes ago i got "Page Not Found" and cannot connect to SSH or FTP Server :( |
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| 09:47.38 | appelza | Hi guys |
| 09:47.55 | cybermad | so, is this sources problem? i install the packages from apt, the sources at http://debian.indika.net.id |
| 09:48.10 | appelza | I'd like to install debian on a server, which ISO should I download so that the default stuff like exim and apache? |
| 09:48.21 | cybermad | do you think this is problem of sources in http://debian.indika.net.id ??? |
| 09:48.29 | appelza | is the netinst / cd1 enough? (I dont mind having to download the arb package using apt-get later on) |
| 09:48.48 | cybermad | appelza yes... the rest just run apt-get install packagename |
| 09:48.48 | bzed | appelza: go with the netinstall cd |
| 09:49.18 | appelza | cybermad: netinst or cd1 ? |
| 09:49.18 | cybermad | is there any master can help me? |
| 09:49.18 | _sf7 | how do i get Gedit to work if im su? |
| 09:49.22 | appelza | thanks bzed |
| 09:49.29 | cybermad | appelza netinst.. i use it too |
| 09:50.02 | _sf7 | soz cancel that i gottit |
| 09:50.06 | appelza | kk |
| 09:50.07 | appelza | thanks |
| 09:50.17 | cybermad | any help for my case? |
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| 09:51.13 | liable | cybermad: what do you mean by 'page not found'?? |
| 09:51.27 | cybermad | liable i tried open http://myserverip |
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| 09:51.32 | cybermad | but i got page not found |
| 09:51.38 | cybermad | but i can ping it |
| 09:51.46 | liable | cybermad: have you actually installed a httpd? |
| 09:51.48 | zulin | exit |
| 09:51.54 | zulin | oops, sorry=) |
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| 09:52.02 | cybermad | then from server console i do lynx http://myserverip |
| 09:52.04 | appelza | 4.0r0 = stable ? |
| 09:52.09 | liable | cybermad: what makes you think you should be able to acces your server via http? |
| 09:52.11 | cybermad | it's like i did a trigger |
| 09:52.21 | cybermad | then from client i can open the web again... |
| 09:52.25 | cybermad | is that weird?? |
| 09:52.45 | cybermad | liable of course i already install apache, etc |
| 09:53.23 | cybermad | liable i install ssh, proftpd, apache2, mysql, php, etc |
| 09:53.29 | liable | cybermad: and its actually running? netstat shows it listening? |
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| 09:54.24 | cybermad | liable yes.. when i do lynx from the server cpu (without ssh, because i can connect to it), i can open the web... then i tried once again from client... wallla i can open it :( |
| 09:54.29 | cybermad | that's really weird |
| 09:54.48 | cybermad | i already install twice on different computer |
| 09:54.58 | ringo999 | could someone help me getting to run apache2/tomcat5.5? I installed both using aptitude. Apache works on http://localhost, but I have trouble accessing tomcat...normally this should be http://localhost:8180 or? |
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| 09:55.29 | cybermad | liable i believe netstat listening.. but sometime it disconnect and client unable to connect |
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| 09:55.50 | cybermad | liable i want try the third installation.. what sources do you use? |
| 09:55.52 | liable | cybermad: ok, lets start with just apache. you can browse the server from localhost? |
| 09:56.31 | cybermad | liable yes.. like i said above... when i can not connect from client.. i can do lynx http://172.168.100.231/ |
| 09:56.46 | Shadur | liable: Hang on, I ran headfirst into my own stupidity at that once because I'd set apache to listen on the public IP but not on 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:56.48 | cybermad | then after that... i can open from client |
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| 09:57.08 | ma3x | any smart ideas on howto resize ext2 partition? qtparted, gparted won't work |
| 09:57.11 | liable | cybermad: no, i said from localhost. lynx http://localhost |
| 09:57.11 | cybermad | i did several times hit the refresh button when it disconnected |
| 09:57.22 | Shadur | That was a fun spot of panic before I realized that apache hadn't crashed. |
| 09:57.25 | Gnea | ma3x: why don't they work? |
| 09:57.41 | cybermad | liable i don't know.. because the problem is not happen at the moment |
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| 09:58.47 | cybermad | for the third installation.. i need advice.. where is the best sources can i get? |
| 09:58.47 | ma3x | Gnea: they give errors (system call) and some unknown errors |
| 09:58.47 | liable | cybermad: do you have physical access to the machine? |
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| 09:58.47 | cybermad | aha... |
| 09:58.47 | Shadur | cybermad: ftp.xx.debian.org where xx is your country code. |
| 09:58.47 | Gnea | ma3x: such as? |
| 09:58.47 | cybermad | the problem occur again |
| 09:59.01 | ma3x | Gnea: an error happened during ped_file_system_open call |
| 09:59.09 | cybermad | sorry it's not page not found.. but unable to connect |
| 09:59.11 | liable | cybermad: do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 09:59.16 | Gnea | ma3x: you should really just take all of that output and paste it somewhere |
| 09:59.19 | Gnea | !paster |
| 09:59.19 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:59.32 | cybermad | let me tell you all the problem message |
| 09:59.34 | _sf7 | how do i invoke a terminal-based editor? |
| 09:59.59 | Shadur | _sf7: invoke? Typing its name generally works... |
| 10:00.01 | Gnea | ma3x: if those won't work, chances are nothing else will work either... of course, if the partition isn't resized first, then the filesystem isn't going to go anywhere |
| 10:00.03 | liable | cybermad: no, please answer my questions otherwise we'll go around in circles and not accomplish anything |
| 10:00.16 | cybermad | so from mozilla firefox (my laptop) running windows xp, i open mozilla firefox.. http://172.168.100.202/ then i got Problem loading page Unable to connect |
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| 10:00.27 | cybermad | liable ok, just a minute |
| 10:00.33 | cybermad | i read your message above |
| 10:00.49 | cybermad | yes.. it connected to switch |
| 10:00.56 | Shadur | cybermad: Time to check with tcpdump or ethereal on the server, see what it sees. |
| 10:00.58 | ma3x | Gnea: the paste site doesnt work |
| 10:01.03 | cybermad | let me ping the server ip |
| 10:01.04 | Gnea | !paste |
| 10:01.04 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 10:01.14 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 10:01.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 10:01.21 | liable | cybermad: right, so you can actually sit at the machine and type commands into it? |
| 10:01.31 | cybermad | Reply from 172.168.100.202: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64 100%!!! |
| 10:01.35 | Gnea | ma3x: there's also http://pastebin.com |
| 10:02.12 | Gnea | ma3x: or just google for pastebin, there's a few hundred paster sites, at least |
| 10:02.15 | cybermad | Shadur how to run tcpdump or ethereal from debian? i ever use it on windows but don't know in debian.. |
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| 10:02.23 | deb | whats the package for mouse support in console? |
| 10:02.29 | cybermad | Shadur that's good idea.. to detect the request |
| 10:02.32 | Gnea | deb: gpm |
| 10:02.41 | deb | Gnea: thanks |
| 10:02.42 | byon | /join #qweqwewq |
| 10:02.45 | byon | oops |
| 10:02.53 | ma3x | Gnea: http://pastebin.ca/446156 |
| 10:02.57 | cybermad | liable yes? i already answer your question.. |
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| 10:03.05 | Gnea | !beer ma3x |
| 10:03.06 | liable | cybermad: no you didnt |
| 10:03.09 | cybermad | liable do i missed something of your message |
| 10:03.13 | cybermad | liable oh.. |
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| 10:03.37 | ma3x | Gnea: thanks for the beer |
| 10:03.44 | cybermad | Shadur yes? |
| 10:04.24 | Gnea | ma3x: np :) does this error occur over and over again or was this only on the first run? |
| 10:04.28 | joel | hey guys, getting a new laptop today with a core 2 duo t5500 - is this a 64bit chip? If so, do I need to put a 64bit linux on or stick with 32bit compat |
| 10:04.46 | Gnea | joel: make/model? |
| 10:04.48 | cybermad | like i said before.. usually i can did trigger to the server.. i just did lynx http://172.168.100.202 then i can open t from client |
| 10:05.03 | ma3x | Gnea: I tried only once, let me see again. |
| 10:05.05 | joel | Gnea: Acer Aspire 5633WLMI |
| 10:05.18 | _sf7 | how do i save a file if im in vim? |
| 10:05.22 | ma3x | Gnea: but I knew another method for resizing (such as first resize the fs and then the partition) |
| 10:05.29 | ma3x | Gnea: but I forgot the steps |
| 10:05.29 | Gnea | ma3x: okay, it maybe just have needed to fsck the filesystem to fix any errors before doing the resize |
| 10:06.07 | Gnea | ma3x: then you should look for those... tried http://www.tldp.org yet? |
| 10:06.32 | Shadur | cybermad: If you have it installed, just type the command name - the software's identical. |
| 10:06.47 | Shadur | ... Although come tot hink of it, I recall ethereal being renamed to wireshark recently. |
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| 10:07.15 | ma3x | Gnea: I searched for 'resize' on tldp.org and nothing useful. how come/ |
| 10:07.42 | cybermad | Shadur what is it? tcpdump or ethereal? or both same? |
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| 10:08.32 | cybermad | apt-get install tcpdump ? ok, i already run that command |
| 10:08.53 | Shadur | cybermad: use whichever you prefer. I like ethereal when I have access to a GUI, but in a pinch you can get tcpdump to dump to a file, then copy the dump over to your windows box and open it in ethereal. |
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| 10:09.22 | zimnyx | How can i check max FSB supported speed on my system? |
| 10:09.27 | Shadur | Either way, have it look at what's sent and received and responded to on port 80 when you try to browse to it, see if you can't get a clue about why it's not responding. |
| 10:09.39 | Gnea | ma3x: tried searching for filesystem? |
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| 10:09.49 | cybermad | Shadur i already install it.. |
| 10:09.54 | ma3x | Gnea: the error occured again |
| 10:09.59 | cybermad | Shadur then i run tcpdump |
| 10:10.34 | cybermad | Shadur but when i try open again the web... the problem fixed :( maybe later i will try again when problem occur |
| 10:10.40 | Shadur | I don't need a blow-by-blow, cybermad. Just tell me if yo see something odd when you try to browse and fail. |
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| 10:10.43 | Shadur | Right. |
| 10:10.48 | Gnea | ma3x: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 10:11.06 | Gnea | ma3x: all they do is turn off the journal and resize an ext2 |
| 10:11.16 | cybermad | Shadur what is blow-by-blow? sorry for my english |
| 10:11.32 | Shadur | You don't need to keep me informed of every single step you're taking. |
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| 10:12.18 | ma3x | Gnea: I turned off the journal, but now how do I resize it/ |
| 10:12.26 | Gnea | Shadur: then take it private, i wanna (And other people might find it useful if you can't help him) see all the details |
| 10:12.46 | Gnea | ma3x: read the webpage |
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| 10:12.58 | Gnea | ma3x: it's all right there |
| 10:13.01 | py_ | hello |
| 10:13.08 | Shadur | Gnea: I mean details as in "Shadur, I've just installed tcpdump". |
| 10:13.21 | cybermad | Shadur ok :) |
| 10:13.37 | simon23 | hi does someone use the democracyplayer ? i do, but it keeps crashing, so now i would like to know which version "you" have running. |
| 10:13.50 | Gnea | Shadur: that's pretty useful :) |
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| 10:14.31 | Gnea | holy fuck, i haven't run democracyplayer in eons... |
| 10:14.45 | robin_sz | yeah, it keeps crashing |
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| 10:14.58 | Gnea | simon23: i remember it crashed for me too after the first time i ran it... just ran it now, seems alright so far |
| 10:15.03 | Gnea | simon23: what branch are you running? |
| 10:15.13 | simon23 | debian etch. |
| 10:15.21 | simon23 | should be stable... or not? |
| 10:15.34 | pingouin | how can get/save the config of the base kernel after an install of etch ? |
| 10:15.36 | simon23 | (was unstable when i installed it) |
| 10:15.36 | Gnea | it is |
| 10:15.39 | Gnea | !branch |
| 10:15.39 | dpkg | i guess branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 10:15.45 | Gnea | OOPS |
| 10:15.50 | simon23 | Gnea: what version are you running ? |
| 10:15.56 | simon23 | (of the player) |
| 10:16.04 | jelly-home | dpkg, branch =~ s/frozen/testing/ |
| 10:16.04 | Gnea | !branch |
| 10:16.05 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'frozen', jelly-home |
| 10:16.05 | dpkg | somebody said branch was what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
| 10:16.09 | jelly-home | ;-) |
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| 10:16.17 | Gnea | jelly-home: :) |
| 10:16.17 | simon23 | democracyplayer --version ? |
| 10:16.32 | Gnea | Version: 0.9.2.1 |
| 10:16.39 | simon23 | i just found out that i am using an unstable testing version... |
| 10:16.48 | simon23 | well - just like my version. |
| 10:17.31 | simon23 | the weird thing ist - that it ran too, until it crashed. (the democracyplayer) and now i purged it, deletet the .demo** files in my homedir... |
| 10:17.41 | Gnea | try removing ~/.democracy/ |
| 10:17.43 | cybermad | Shadur i think there is something problem with the apache listening port.. few minutes ago i tried open the web again then i got unable to connect, then i click refresh several times.. i can open the web :( it's like the listening port idle/stuck |
| 10:17.48 | simon23 | upgraded my system to all the new packages( only been a few) |
| 10:17.55 | simon23 | Gnea: already did that. |
| 10:17.59 | Shadur | cybermad: Weird. Did you check the apache logs? |
| 10:18.02 | simon23 | and already purged it too. |
| 10:18.10 | cybermad | or other listening port.. because it happen with the SSH too |
| 10:18.11 | simon23 | and then reinstalled. no effekt :-( |
| 10:18.11 | Shadur | And does netstat have anything intelligent to say for itself? |
| 10:18.30 | py_ | I have a computer with 3 nics (8139) installed. They're all detected during the boot process, but eth1 and 2 are unusable (no way to "ifconfig up" them). See http://pastebin.ca/446162 for dmesg and ifconfig output. |
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| 10:18.50 | cybermad | i just running tcpdump.. ok, i will run the netstat |
| 10:18.59 | Gnea | py_: what's in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:19.27 | mnvl | a list of network interfaces ? |
| 10:19.34 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 10:19.35 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 10:20.26 | HSahin | Can I ask one question? |
| 10:20.35 | Gnea | HSahin: you just did. |
| 10:20.53 | py_ | Gnea, I just updated the pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/446168 |
| 10:21.05 | HSahin | What do you think debian with cpanel in dedicated server? |
| 10:21.45 | Gnea | py_: is iproute installed? what about the output of: ip a |
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| 10:21.48 | jelly-home | hmm. W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org stable/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG EC61E0B0BBE55AB3 Debian-Volatile Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) |
| 10:22.02 | Gnea | HSahin: sure, nice |
| 10:22.10 | matthias_ | hi folks. Is it correct that both anacron an cron are running at the same time? |
| 10:22.18 | jelly-home | matthias_: it is. |
| 10:22.28 | matthias_ | thank you |
| 10:22.31 | py_ | Gnea, doesn't seem to be installed: (-bash: ip: command not found) |
| 10:22.38 | HSahin | Gnea : ok, security? |
| 10:22.46 | Gnea | !tell jelly-home about 2006 key |
| 10:22.54 | Gnea | HSahin: what you make of it. |
| 10:23.01 | Gnea | py_: apt-get install iproute |
| 10:23.13 | Gnea | py_: much, much better than ifconfig and route |
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| 10:23.37 | HSahin | I thinking use cpanel in debian and dedicated server |
| 10:23.50 | jelly-home | Gnea: I've followed the instructions on volatile's web to get the correct key. |
| 10:23.51 | Gnea | py_: hrm.... were all 3 cards in the system when debian was installed? |
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| 10:24.12 | jelly-home | Gnea: notice that it doesn't say "key unknown", but "bad signature" |
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| 10:24.27 | Gnea | jelly-home: then the site is crap, don't use it. |
| 10:24.33 | jelly-home | Gnea: exactly |
| 10:24.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:24.44 | jelly-home | removed from sources.list |
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| 10:25.19 | robin_sz | which site was it as a matter of interest? |
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| 10:25.45 | jelly-home | robin_sz: deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile stable/volatile main |
| 10:25.57 | Gnea | HSahin: please do not pm me |
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| 10:26.05 | py_ | Gnea: not the very sames, but 3 identical ones were, in fact the HD has been moved from another, indentical MB after the install (the 3 NICS are integrated to the MB) |
| 10:26.34 | robin_sz | jelly-home, noted |
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| 10:27.01 | Gnea | py_: is udev running? |
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| 10:27.32 | py_ | Gnea: udevd --daemon is running |
| 10:27.33 | Gnea | py_: and can you paste the output of ip a? |
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| 10:28.10 | matthias_ | another question. Is it possible to use the "Change user" one can do in gnome also with other Window Managers started from gdm? |
| 10:28.26 | jelly-home | ma3x: looks like either your filesystem needs fscking, or a bug in e2fsck. |
| 10:29.44 | Gnea | heh, i need to free up some space |
| 10:29.45 | py_ | Gnea: iproute is installing. But as the 3 nics were working as expected on the original MB before I swapped it, may it be that some kind of config data somewher is puzzled because of the mac address change (or something like that), and has to be reset? |
| 10:29.45 | jelly-home | ma3x: esp. if that error comes again right after you've already run fsck -f on the system. |
| 10:29.46 | Gnea | nothing new :) |
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| 10:30.15 | cybermad | Shadur i can not determine where is the problem.. it really weird |
| 10:30.23 | Gnea | py_: that's what i'm thinking, but i want to show you how you can test it and fix it in the future |
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| 10:31.44 | Gnea | py_: ifconfig is okay, but iproute can provide much more flexibility and options |
| 10:32.11 | py_ | Gnea: very nice! its nearly there (slow link to that box) |
| 10:32.13 | Gnea | py_: you may also want to add the network bit to eth2 |
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| 10:32.31 | Gnea | network 192.168.103.255 |
| 10:32.35 | Gnea | er |
| 10:32.39 | jelly-home | .0 ? |
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| 10:32.42 | Gnea | .0 |
| 10:32.43 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:32.50 | Gnea | network 192.168.103.0 <-- is what i meant |
| 10:33.19 | Gnea | broadcast 192.168.103.255 |
| 10:33.26 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:33.38 | HSahin | I want to install cpanel but ... |
| 10:33.50 | HSahin | and /var/log/cpanel-install-thread1.log. |
| 10:33.50 | HSahin | Installing...1......x1...2...cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/rc.d/init.d/functions': No such file or directory |
| 10:33.50 | HSahin | 2a...........................................................................x2a...2b......x2b...2c............x2c......x2...3...4......x4...5......x5..........................................................................................x3...6....Get:1 http://filepile.fastit.net etch Release.gpg [378B] |
| 10:33.50 | HSahin | Hit http://filepile.fastit.net etch Release |
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| 10:34.04 | jelly-home | ifupdown scripts _should_ be able to figure those out from the netmask, and address, but I'm not sure they do |
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| 10:34.25 | Gnea | i prefer to be safe than sorry |
| 10:34.59 | jelly-home | aye. and I know they didn't do it correctly back in, I think, woody |
| 10:35.12 | Gnea | HSahin: goddamnit, i told you not to PM me! |
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| 10:35.20 | Gnea | HSahin: you are now on /ignore |
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| 10:35.29 | HSahin | ok, I understood you |
| 10:35.45 | HSahin | but channel blocked our message for be flood |
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| 10:36.09 | jelly-home | HSahin: use a pastebin. /msg dpkg paste |
| 10:37.04 | jelly-home | HSahin: also, don't expect great support for packages that are not part of Debian itself. |
| 10:37.35 | py_ | Gnea: here we are, just added "ip a" output: http://pastebin.ca/446186 |
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| 10:39.14 | Gnea | py_: aaah.... they're eth3 and eth4 |
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| 10:39.38 | Gnea | py_: try this: remove /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and reboot |
| 10:39.47 | py_ | Gnea: yep, indeed... so they're at least somewhere. |
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| 10:40.00 | py_ | Gnea: ok, I try that |
| 10:40.01 | mcolo2k | Hello, can somebody tell me how I can change the system time and the time zone in debian? |
| 10:40.30 | Gnea | mcolo2k: tzconfig |
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| 10:40.57 | Gnea | mcolo2k: then, install ntpdate and run that |
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| 10:42.03 | mcolo2k | and you know what option is PST ? |
| 10:42.34 | Lovecraft | Sounds like the blimp is leaking... |
| 10:43.06 | mcolo2k | Gnea: eeuu/pacific zone... thx!!! |
| 10:43.20 | jelly-home | hmm, http://channels.debian.net/paste still unworking? |
| 10:43.29 | py_ | Gnea: they're all back :-d |
| 10:43.41 | Gnea | !beer py_ |
| 10:43.42 | mcolo2k | Gnea: One more question, when i reboot the system this configuration will keep? |
| 10:43.57 | py_ | Gnea: wonderful! thanks a lot! |
| 10:44.01 | Gnea | mcolo2k: yes |
| 10:44.08 | mcolo2k | thx a lot!!!! |
| 10:44.09 | Gnea | py_: enjoy :) |
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| 10:45.33 | py_ | Gnea: one more question: is there a way to prevent this rules file to get created (eg, to avoid this persistence) ? |
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| 10:47.26 | Gnea | py_: basically the file is created at boottime if it does not exist, udev requires it - it's also handy if you want to change the names of the interfaces (such as changing the name of 'eth0' to 'internet-interface' or 'lan-interface' or simply 'lan') |
| 10:47.40 | Gnea | py_: since it just matches up the mac address |
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| 10:48.17 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/446196 - can someone help with this please? i'm not completely sure what to make of it |
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| 10:49.39 | py_ | Gnea: ok, I see. My goal when trying to prevent it to get created is to avoid such problems to ever occur again, as HD may (and will probably) see some other motherboards anytime soon. I suppose a script called at boot time which deletes is too late for udev, or am I wrong? |
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| 10:49.45 | Kevin` | it looks like one of those unhappy errors that is going to be annoying to fix |
| 10:49.53 | BUMBACL0T | is ntp/ntpd == ntpdate? |
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| 10:50.01 | Kevin` | but you people might know better :) |
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| 10:50.21 | BUMBACL0T | does ntpd automatically sync my time whenever i restart? |
| 10:50.34 | Kevin` | BUMBACL0T ntpd runs as a daemon, updating every once and a while and adjusts for local clock skew (fast/slowness) |
| 10:50.47 | Kevin` | ntpdate just updates the clock when you run it |
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| 10:51.17 | Kevin` | ntpd is also the server for ntp I believe |
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| 10:51.59 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
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| 10:54.45 | Kevin` | someone make my stuffs work :( |
| 10:55.25 | petemc | apt-get install qemu |
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| 10:55.26 | Gnea | py_: i don't think there's anything like that |
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| 10:55.57 | Kevin` | Package qemu is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:55.58 | Kevin` | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:55.58 | Kevin` | is only available from another source |
| 10:55.58 | Kevin` | E: Package qemu has no installation candidate |
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| 10:56.26 | appelza | whats the command to make debain use the internet for it's apt-get downloads instead of cdrom? |
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| 10:56.32 | appelza | debian* |
| 10:56.46 | petemc | appelza: change /etc/apt/sources.list , apt-get update |
| 10:56.51 | petemc | aptitude update, eveb |
| 10:57.01 | petemc | Kevin`: are you using etch? |
| 10:57.02 | appelza | tnx |
| 10:57.07 | Kevin` | yes petemc |
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| 10:57.41 | petemc | Kevin`: do you have contrib & non-free sources? |
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| 10:57.52 | Kevin` | yes |
| 10:58.13 | petemc | that sort of thing shouldnt happen in stable.. |
| 10:58.45 | petemc | is there anything you're not telling us, like you tried to install stuff from sid etc? |
| 10:59.14 | Kevin` | nothing that wasn't clear in the pastebin paste |
| 10:59.15 | Kevin` | no |
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| 10:59.34 | petemc | Kevin`: that pastebin showed you trying to compile qemu |
| 10:59.36 | appelza | petemc: how does the entry look like? I want http source list for stable (4.0) |
| 10:59.47 | petemc | appelza: ill msg you mine.. |
| 11:00.14 | appelza | thanks |
| 11:00.42 | anapivirtua_ | Hello world |
| 11:00.59 | niru | which d-i source if I take will show complete translation in different languages |
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| 11:01.27 | Kevin` | petemc also showed debian version and hardware platform |
| 11:02.00 | petemc | great... |
| 11:02.11 | Kevin` | ya, like I said, no, nothing to tell :) |
| 11:02.35 | petemc | ive just installed qemu on an etch box |
| 11:02.47 | _sf7 | soz to ask again, but how do i save a file if im in vim? |
| 11:02.56 | petemc | _sf7: esc :wq |
| 11:03.11 | petemc | Unpacking qemu (from .../archives/qemu_0.8.2-4_i386.deb) ... |
| 11:03.16 | Kevin` | petemc which debian port? |
| 11:03.17 | xand | :w is to save, :wq is save and exit |
| 11:03.26 | Kevin` | ah i386.. |
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| 11:05.18 | Kevin` | so any ideas? |
| 11:05.24 | petemc | none, i dont use arm |
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| 11:06.16 | _sf7 | someone told me export DISPLAY=:0.0 could let me gedit from su |
| 11:06.17 | liable | _sf7: or shift+zz |
| 11:06.25 | _sf7 | but it wont work, any ideas? |
| 11:06.28 | liable | use gksu |
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| 11:07.13 | Kevin` | is there a gksu/kdesu program that doesn't use qt or gtk |
| 11:07.24 | _sf7 | skillz! |
| 11:07.30 | liable | sux |
| 11:07.42 | liable | Kevin`: ^^ |
| 11:07.43 | fengor | _sf7: you can also use :w filname if you want to save it to a different file |
| 11:08.05 | py_ | Gnea: maybe using the bus position as a key may be the solution. I'll test and see. Thanks a lot for your support anyway! |
| 11:08.12 | Kevin` | nice name heh |
| 11:08.14 | _sf7 | wicked i can gksu gedit XYZ |
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| 11:11.35 | Talisker | OK, I don't get this |
| 11:11.52 | Talisker | Why was sshd removed from the repos, and what ssh daemon should I be using instead? |
| 11:12.19 | Kevin` | openssh-server |
| 11:12.57 | Kevin` | that probably answers both questions *shrug* :) |
| 11:13.59 | Talisker | OK, I'm trying to use Mplayer to play files but for some reasons it tells me "file not found |
| 11:14.08 | Talisker | same happened yesterday with totem |
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| 11:17.45 | sf7 | I used arm-linux-gcc. the error is header files can't be found. saying no such file or directory |
| 11:18.12 | Talisker | sshd is non-free? |
| 11:18.33 | azeem | Talisker: no |
| 11:18.34 | Talisker | Nah, it was a perms problem with mplayer appearently |
| 11:18.34 | Kevin` | that would be odd. maybe it refers to a different sshd |
| 11:18.51 | Talisker | totem is fscked up |
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| 11:18.58 | azeem | Talisker: openssh-server *is* sshd |
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| 11:19.24 | azeem | There never was an sshd package |
| 11:19.42 | sf7 | I used arm-linux-gcc. the error is header files can't be found. saying no such file or directory.any suggestion? |
| 11:20.01 | Kevin` | sf7 your going to need to give more information about what your doing |
| 11:20.38 | Talisker | is it capable of a graphic session? |
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| 11:20.58 | Kevin` | is what? |
| 11:21.01 | Kevin` | ssh? |
| 11:21.11 | Talisker | openssh server |
| 11:21.13 | sf7 | compiling a program on Debian for cross platform compilation using arm-linux-gcc 3.3.2 compiler |
| 11:21.15 | Kevin` | of course |
| 11:21.16 | azeem | Talisker: openssh does what you think sshd does |
| 11:21.25 | azeem | sf7: paste the full error to a pastebin |
| 11:21.25 | jumpship | is there a way to apt-get and have it install the "recommended packages"? cant find the option in man page |
| 11:21.26 | azeem | !paste |
| 11:21.27 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 11:21.29 | Talisker | I never tried that with sshd either |
| 11:21.37 | azeem | Talisker: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 11:21.55 | Kevin` | the "sshd" you were using is almost surely openssh anyway |
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| 11:23.21 | Kevin` | getting lots of warnings trying to compile qemu with gcc4 but no errors yet |
| 11:23.41 | Kevin` | probabably will be a while before I know anything though, this box isn't really designed for speed :) |
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| 11:28.25 | giupy | hi all |
| 11:28.38 | Talisker2 | OK guys, I'm on a windows machine and I'm trying to log into an X session |
| 11:29.01 | azeem | Talisker: use an XServer or VNC on your Windows machine |
| 11:29.24 | Talisker2 | startx as normal user tells me I'm not allowed to startx, startx as root tells me that the server is already running and won't let me create a new one |
| 11:29.25 | azeem | sshd can only forward X11 protocol requests, it cannot make them appear on your Windows box |
| 11:29.25 | Talisker2 | azeem, what's wrong with putty? |
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| 11:29.35 | giupy | hi all |
| 11:29.36 | azeem | see above |
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| 11:29.54 | azeem | Talisker2: you would just run an X application, like "xterm" |
| 11:30.05 | giupy | wich vide output do you use with mplyaer and an ati card for fullscreen support? i have problems with xv and x11 |
| 11:30.09 | sf7 | the error is sth like "hello.c:1:19 stdio.h: No such file or directory |
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| 11:30.16 | Talisker2 | I can't really install any software on the machine I'll be working from |
| 11:30.20 | azeem | sf7: install build-essential |
| 11:30.26 | Kevin` | Talisker2 you need an X server running on windows to display X apps on windows. there are several available for free |
| 11:30.32 | steven43126 | what's a good replacement for exchange? something that will allow syncing of tasks and calendars to evolution? |
| 11:30.36 | azeem | Talisker2: or start up an X-Server (e.g. from cygwin) on your Windows box an tell it to connect to your remote gdm |
| 11:30.43 | Talisker2 | are any of them standalones? |
| 11:30.44 | azeem | Talisker2: then you're outta luck, no graphical apps |
| 11:31.01 | azeem | Talisker2: you might be able to install cygwin without admins rights, dunno |
| 11:31.10 | azeem | Talisker2: this is sort of off-topic here |
| 11:31.14 | Talisker2 | cygwin is too much :/ |
| 11:31.17 | Kevin` | Talisker2 dunno. I suspect it would not be hard to make them standalone if they aren't |
| 11:31.18 | sf7 | is build-essential sth like arm-linux-gcc 3.3.2 |
| 11:31.28 | Kevin` | Talisker2 you should probably ask ##windows about it |
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| 11:31.30 | azeem | sf7: no it's a package |
| 11:31.35 | Talisker2 | Right |
| 11:31.43 | sf7 | what is its function |
| 11:31.56 | azeem | sf7: it provides stdio.h, besides otheres |
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| 11:32.03 | azeem | sf7: in specific, you need the glibc headers |
| 11:32.12 | stew | does someone know of a development related kde channel? |
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| 11:32.18 | sf7 | no the problem is all header file can't be found |
| 11:32.25 | Kevin` | dunno whos there now, but a lot of the windows folk on this network are familiar with linux issues |
| 11:32.28 | appelza | anyone have a debian mdraid howto? |
| 11:32.30 | azeem | sf7: because you did not install them |
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| 11:32.38 | azeem | stew: for upstream KDE or Debian KDE packaging? |
| 11:32.44 | stew | azeem: debian |
| 11:32.46 | sf7 | no they are there, they are in include folder |
| 11:32.48 | stew | azeem: or either really |
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| 11:32.58 | sf7 | but the compiler can't find tehem |
| 11:33.03 | sf7 | but the compiler can't find them |
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| 11:33.10 | giupy | trying to apt-get update i recive this msg: "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header" , and i can't install or search anything, what can it be ? |
| 11:33.16 | azeem | stew: there's #debian-qt-kde on irc.d.o |
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| 11:33.35 | azeem | dunno how development-oriented it is though, but the Debian KDE guys seem to hang out there |
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| 11:33.44 | brentfud | Greetings folks |
| 11:33.45 | azeem | sf7: then fix your cross-compile setup |
| 11:33.53 | sf7 | how to fix |
| 11:34.05 | fengor | Talisker2: see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html or ask dpkg about sshx |
| 11:34.11 | azeem | sf7: I don't know |
| 11:34.13 | fengor | its quite a good hands on introduction |
| 11:34.18 | azeem | sf7: why do you cross-compile? |
| 11:34.23 | fengor | and it links to two different xservers iirc |
| 11:34.34 | sf7 | arm-linux-gcc -o hello hello.c |
| 11:34.37 | stew | azeem: thanks. i'll try that, and if not, i should probably just be using the ml |
| 11:34.37 | massctrl | hi, anyone knows what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 ? |
| 11:34.41 | brentfud | Im getting a "Error while executing /etc/modutils/0keep, aborting" when installing a package, just wonder what that means, cant find much information on google about this. Not sure how to fix it |
| 11:34.45 | azeem | sf7: why, not what |
| 11:35.08 | sf7 | what do you mean "not what" |
| 11:35.26 | azeem | sf7: you answered what you're compiling (hello.c), I asked why you cross-compile at all |
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| 11:37.04 | sf7 | yeah, to use the exe file on another arm linux platform. the platform doesn't have enough resources, so can't compile on the platform |
| 11:37.33 | azeem | sf7: setting up cross-compilers is non-trivial and not really in the scope of this channel, sorry |
| 11:38.07 | sf7 | any suggestion for a suitable channel |
| 11:38.13 | brentfud | There must be a 101 howtos on cross compiling |
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| 11:39.46 | appelza | how do I install raidtools on debian 4.0 ? |
| 11:39.55 | appelza | I've tried apt-get install raidtools[2] |
| 11:40.23 | azeem | sf7: sorry, no |
| 11:40.37 | sf7 | azeem: thanks |
| 11:41.09 | fengor | sf7: a quick google showed http://kegel.com/crosstool/ might be a good point to start. |
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| 11:41.37 | sf7 | fengor: ok good |
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| 11:41.46 | xand | !root |
| 11:41.46 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 11:42.27 | liable | great, update the firmware on my router and it sends me malformed packets as dns replies |
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| 11:43.49 | brentfud | Anyone know about my keep0 error? |
| 11:45.22 | Talisker2 | any recommended vnc server? |
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| 11:46.07 | azeem | Talisker2: ##windos |
| 11:46.25 | Talisker2 | azeem, I'm looking for a server, to run on my linux box |
| 11:46.30 | Talisker2 | I already have a client |
| 11:46.34 | azeem | ah |
| 11:46.53 | azeem | there's vino for Gnome, e.g. |
| 11:47.15 | Talisker2 | What makes it "for gnome"? |
| 11:47.26 | azeem | it's a Gnome app |
| 11:47.33 | azeem | dunno, I've never used it |
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| 11:51.06 | Talisker2 | OK, I started a vnc server on my linmachine, anyway to find out what port it's listening to? |
| 11:51.06 | xand | [Germany]smev9: you can't speak as root. |
| 11:51.30 | azeem | Talisker2: there should be a config file which specifies that I guess |
| 11:51.42 | azeem | Talisker2: otherwise, try to run a port scanner on yourself |
| 11:51.50 | azeem | Talisker2: or netstat |
| 11:52.07 | petemc | it should be 5900 by default |
| 11:52.29 | wintix | xand: really? cool. |
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| 11:57.15 | DawnLight | which package handles synchronization with cellular phones? |
| 11:57.33 | azeem | DawnLight: depends on your cellphone |
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| 11:57.52 | DawnLight | i want to buy one that's compatible |
| 11:57.59 | azeem | DawnLight: uh |
| 11:58.07 | azeem | DawnLight: which version of Debian? |
| 11:58.09 | smacnay | what is the real difference between the sylpheed packages? -gtk2 vs non-gtk2. Installing the non-gtk2 brings in a lot of extra packages. |
| 11:58.12 | DawnLight | testing |
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| 11:58.42 | azeem | DawnLight: maybe ask in #opensync and then wait till opensync is usable in testing (1-3 weeks) |
| 11:58.57 | DawnLight | oh interesting... thanks azeem |
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| 11:59.18 | azeem | DawnLight: in principle, and cellphone having basic PDA capabilities should work via irda or bluetooth I guess |
| 11:59.19 | mcolo2k | I've a big problem, I had a debian sarge with psa but i removed in the past.. now I upgrade to etch.. and now the apt said the dependences fail |
| 11:59.57 | mcolo2k | I tried to use apt-get install -f.. but i can not fix it.. can somebody tell me what i can do? |
| 12:00.15 | alleyoopster | where can I find most up to date custom kernel complile howto, the links from dpkg seem a little old |
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| 12:01.13 | mcolo2k | Hello? |
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| 12:02.13 | xand | wintix: root is banned from speaking in here to discourage use of irc as root |
| 12:02.23 | mcolo2k | somebody that knows a lot about apt or aptitude could answer pls? |
| 12:02.40 | zamuro | !ask |
| 12:02.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:02.47 | ringo999 | hi. after installing apache2 / tomcat 5.5 using aptitude, i can access the apache on http://localhost but not the tomcat on http://localhost:8081 |
| 12:02.50 | ringo999 | ups |
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| 12:02.58 | ringo999 | localhost:8180 of course |
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| 12:03.17 | mcolo2k | i wrote it.. :( |
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| 12:03.46 | ringo999 | any idea how to access tomcat? im quite sure both servers are up and running... |
| 12:05.13 | Angel-SL | !ntfs |
| 12:05.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 12:05.30 | Angel-SL | !mount ntfs |
| 12:05.31 | dpkg | mounting NTFS is `mount -t ntfs -o uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,umask=003 /dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point>' or adding '/dev/<ntfs partition> /<mount point> ntfs uid=<uid>,gid=<gid>,defaults,umask=003 0 0' to your /etc/fstab |
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| 12:05.55 | wintix | mcolo2k: have you read the release notes on how to upgrade to etch? |
| 12:06.02 | rpc | oh wow etch released? |
| 12:06.09 | wintix | rpc: /topic |
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| 12:06.33 | rpc | so what do we do now? if i was using etch in testing... do i need to upgrade now? |
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| 12:06.37 | telmich | hoi |
| 12:06.51 | telmich | are there any news from the locales update in sid or reason why it's not yet in it? |
| 12:06.59 | mcolo2k | nop.. but anytimes when i upgrade from a old version i wrote apt-get update / upgrade and then dist-upgrade and that was all |
| 12:07.37 | mcolo2k | the problem is not the upgrade .. the problem is a can not remove psa-qmail-rblsmtpd !! |
| 12:07.38 | rpc | mcolo2k i'me especially wondering about kernel in etch |
| 12:07.43 | wintix | rpc: do you have etch or testing in your sources.list? if you have etch, everything is ok and you have etch. if not, you are stuck with testing(lenny) since there is no sane way to downgrade |
| 12:07.58 | rpc | wintix oh hm.. checking now |
| 12:08.04 | azeem | telmich: guess not |
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| 12:08.33 | rpc | deb http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 12:08.38 | Talisker2 | anyway to make a program rerun itself in case it closes? |
| 12:08.56 | mcolo2k | Everty time when i tried to remove says dependencies fail! |
| 12:09.16 | Talisker2 | like writing an endless loop of a shell script, and then killing it whenever I get home? |
| 12:09.16 | rpc | wintix looks good then, right? and how about kernel? i wonder which one was choosen for etch release |
| 12:09.16 | mcolo2k | i tried with apt-get -f install but nothing happened |
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| 12:09.33 | azeem | mcolo2k: where do you have psa-qmail-rblsmtpd from? |
| 12:09.33 | wintix | rpc: have you read the release notes? :) |
| 12:09.44 | stew | Talisker2: have a look at monit |
| 12:09.45 | rpc | wintix not yet.. |
| 12:10.11 | mcolo2k | i dont know.. i got one dedicated server on server4you.. and they install psa by default on that server |
| 12:10.53 | mcolo2k | i just removed all psa with apt-get remove psa.. then i upgrade the system and now i can see that psa-qmail is there |
| 12:11.22 | mcolo2k | i've the old repositories |
| 12:11.23 | daya | 500 Invalid PORT Command. how to recover this error in ftp session |
| 12:11.30 | mcolo2k | that have psa |
| 12:11.34 | mcolo2k | what i can do? |
| 12:11.41 | rpc | so is it OK to do the dist-upgrade and be happy? |
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| 12:11.55 | wintix | rpc: mcolo2k adjust your sources.list and run apt-get update. after that, read the release notes on how to upgrade. |
| 12:11.59 | rpc | or just upgrade will do so i get the same as in etch release? |
| 12:12.08 | rpc | oh ok |
| 12:12.26 | rpc | i'm actually running apt-get upgrade.. hope i didn't mess up |
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| 12:13.17 | mcolo2k | wintix: i dont understand you.. you are saying i need to keep back my sources list.. and do a apt-get update.. and then? |
| 12:13.17 | shai | I just erased ~/.bashrc by mistake, how bad is that? |
| 12:13.45 | denken | shai: cp /etc/skel/.bashrc ~/.bashrc |
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| 12:14.27 | shai | ok, and to make sure this doesn't happen again: what pipe to I use to APPEND an output to the end of a file? |
| 12:14.30 | shai | >>? |
| 12:14.37 | appelza | does the debian partitioner support software raid? |
| 12:14.45 | CalJohn | shai: yes |
| 12:14.49 | fengor | yes >> appends |
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| 12:15.00 | shai | thanks |
| 12:15.01 | rpc | i have another question - who can tell me if there is a tool that will check a domain against all whois databases? |
| 12:15.19 | wintix | mcolo2k: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 12:15.22 | rpc | is it possible to do at all? |
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| 12:16.19 | alleyoopster | rpc: not sure but doesn't whois do that? |
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| 12:16.46 | rpc | alleyoopster yes but after changing domain data some whois databases give old info still after 24h |
| 12:17.00 | rpc | while some of them are fine |
| 12:17.00 | fengor | rpc: man whois? |
| 12:17.15 | wintix | rpc: it takes tome to spread the new info around |
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| 12:17.27 | rpc | wintix is there a maximum refresh time? |
| 12:17.55 | madriss | on debian installation.. when it says [!] Software selection, and choose software to install - what is the [] Laptop option? |
| 12:18.09 | appelza | does the debian partitioner support software raid? |
| 12:18.10 | wintix | rpc: afaik yes. but don't know the exact limit right now. |
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| 12:18.57 | rpc | wintix and can i check that value on a given whois server? any public access to such info? |
| 12:19.09 | wintix | madriss: check it if you have a laptop. it will probably install wireless-tools and so on |
| 12:19.09 | rpc | especially NETSOL is giving problems |
| 12:19.28 | niru | can I modify tasksel according to my need |
| 12:19.36 | madriss | oh right, i wondered cos i am using a laptop, but dont remember the option being there in sarge |
| 12:19.44 | madriss | guess ill tick it then lol |
| 12:20.20 | madriss | thanks |
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| 12:21.50 | wintix | rpc: no idea. google might |
| 12:21.57 | alleyoopster | appelza: what do you mean by debian partitioner? the install partitioner? |
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| 12:22.58 | ringo999 | anyone running tomcat5.5 under debian, how did you install it? |
| 12:23.00 | stew | niru: yes, you can crate your own tasks |
| 12:23.26 | niru | stew, do you have idea on preseed file |
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| 12:23.31 | rpc | hmm... my upgrade is stuck at: W: mdadm: falling back to emergency procedure in initramfs. |
| 12:23.34 | rpc | any clues? |
| 12:23.38 | stew | niru: i haven't used preseed before |
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| 12:23.51 | niru | stew, ok |
| 12:24.54 | stew | niru: for tasksel, just look at /usr/share/tasksel/*.desc. you can create your own such file in /usr/local/share/tasksel/something.desc |
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| 12:25.16 | psyco-obiwan | does anbyody know how long approcimately sarge has been stable now ? |
| 12:25.30 | sep | !sarge |
| 12:25.30 | dpkg | i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. |
| 12:25.32 | Kevin` | sarge isn't stable now |
| 12:25.50 | psyco-obiwan | oh...that would be news to me. |
| 12:25.55 | psyco-obiwan | thanks sep |
| 12:26.03 | Kevin` | etch (4.0) is stable |
| 12:26.10 | psyco-obiwan | since when ? |
| 12:26.20 | Kevin` | few weeks ago or so, I forget |
| 12:26.22 | appelza | yeah alleyoopster I have two 500gb drives that id like to install as a software raid 1 |
| 12:26.22 | Kevin` | !etch |
| 12:26.22 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procudure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 12:26.24 | Kevin` | maybe? |
| 12:26.27 | appelza | does the installer allow me to do this? |
| 12:26.27 | stew | psyco-obiwan: 10 days |
| 12:26.48 | psyco-obiwan | upsie...need to rewrite my dok ;-) Cool tho! |
| 12:27.13 | wintix | appelza: yes |
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| 12:27.32 | mcolo2k | no case.. i can not fix it.. and in the debian documentation i can not found the answer to my problem |
| 12:27.33 | psyco-obiwan | Kevin`: sorry, really missed that ;-) |
| 12:28.10 | mcolo2k | so, i only need to remove a package! i need to know hot to fix it with apt or aptitude |
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| 12:31.42 | appelza | wintix: how? |
| 12:31.46 | appelza | is there a guide? |
| 12:31.49 | appelza | I cant figure it out. |
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| 12:32.21 | dosingrat | Hello, after upgrading to Etch, de-selecting SCSI support and emulation in a kernel 2.6.18 configuration, somehow I got xcdroast to read and burn images, however, no CD player sees devices hdc and hdd. What tricks are available to play CDs again on Etch ? Thank you. |
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| 12:32.53 | wintix | appelza: select manual partitioning. create a boot partition on each disk ~100MB and create two physical volumes for raid. then select setup (or configure, nut sure right now) raid from aobve the device list. set up the raid to your needs. after that you get a new physical device to fiddle with. just create a ext3 partition or something on it and be on your way. |
| 12:33.36 | dosingrat | Nothe my CDROM devices are ATAPI, dvd reader and cd burner |
| 12:33.50 | dosingrat | :s/Nothe/Both |
| 12:33.54 | appelza | will try,t hanks wintix |
| 12:34.05 | wintix | appelza: theoretically you would only need one boot partition but having one spare /boot is a good thing to have. |
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| 12:36.46 | appelza | wintix: would this have anything to do with LVM? |
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| 12:40.09 | wintix | appelza: no. but you could set up a lvm on top of it. |
| 12:40.41 | appelza | kk |
| 12:40.43 | appelza | tnx |
| 12:41.29 | psyco-obiwan | is there any background reading/links on the topic of updates for former stable version, resp. how long one will get security updates for sarge ? |
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| 12:41.42 | ringo999 | ok, the problem when installing tomcat5.5 is the tomcat5.5-webapps package. This is the error: ln: creating symbolic link `/var/lib/tomcat5.5/conf/Catalina/localhost/balancer.xml' to `/usr/share/tomcat5.5-webapps/balancer.xml': File exists |
| 12:43.26 | ringo999 | any idea anyone? |
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| 12:44.27 | ringo999 | ok, works now. some left over files, removed them. :-) |
| 12:44.33 | wintix | psyco-obiwan: http://www.us.debian.org/security/ maybe there. |
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| 12:44.56 | giblets | !x11 |
| 12:44.56 | dpkg | hmm... x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
| 12:45.06 | giblets | !install x11 |
| 12:45.23 | giblets | msg dpkg x11 install |
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| 12:46.12 | rpc | is it true that domain registrar pays just a small percent of what we pay for a domain? like $2 per .net /yr ? |
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| 12:46.49 | rpc | or even $0.17/month per domain |
| 12:47.07 | psyco-obiwan | thnx wintix, found it: http://www.us.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 12:47.37 | solid_liq | ringo999, yeah, it's trying to overwrite a file with a symbolic link |
| 12:47.39 | solid_liq | ringo999, so you could delete the one in /var/etc |
| 12:47.40 | psyco-obiwan | its about 1 year from the moment when a new stable supersedes the former on |
| 12:47.47 | fengor | well he definately pays less, how else could he cover his cost and make a revenue? about how much less he pays i cant say |
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| 12:48.25 | psyco-obiwan | how would I add this information to dpkg as factoid ? (better where can I read about it) |
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| 12:55.46 | ringo999 | solid_liq: yeah, thats what i did, I'm sure though this is shouldnt be like this... |
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| 12:57.40 | numan | anybody here know how to install regional fonts for debian? |
| 12:57.47 | numan | !fonts |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | [fonts] check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
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| 12:58.31 | mcolo2k | dpkg: can you tell me how to i can remove a dependencies faild package? |
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| 12:59.34 | Appiah | xD |
| 12:59.41 | capiira | :D |
| 12:59.47 | fengor | mcolo2k: try messaging dpkg listkeys |
| 12:59.50 | capiira | dpkg is a bot |
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| 13:02.11 | vnm | /usr/local/sbin/courierpassd: error while loading shared libraries: libcourierauth.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <==== how do I fix this kind of problem? |
| 13:03.03 | giblets | if I have a radeon RV100 and wish to play 3d games, what driver am I after? |
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| 13:03.52 | insolit2 | vnm, you'll have to install that library |
| 13:04.05 | fengor | install libcourierauth.so.0 |
| 13:04.30 | insolit2 | giblets, maybe dri supports that |
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| 13:05.58 | giblets | insolit2: sorry to bother you, but this is my first time setting up debian with a radeon gfx card, could you tell me what package I should get for that? |
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| 13:06.39 | liable | wierd, sid included ipw3945 in the blacklist file for some reason |
| 13:06.43 | insolit2 | giblets, that's an old ati card right? |
| 13:06.54 | capiira | anyone have an idea when gnome 2.16 or 2.18 will hit testing ? |
| 13:07.16 | giblets | I believe so. lspci says RV100 (Radeon 7000/VE) |
| 13:07.18 | fengor | !tell giblets about radeon |
| 13:07.57 | giblets | fengor: that doesn't directly tell me if 3d acceleration is supported in the 'radeon' driver |
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| 13:08.35 | insolit2 | it probably is |
| 13:08.45 | insolit2 | to check if you have direct rendering do |
| 13:08.51 | insolit2 | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 13:09.35 | giblets | insolit2: do you remember which package glxinfo is in? |
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| 13:09.47 | insolit2 | oh you don't have that installed |
| 13:09.53 | insolit2 | go to synaptic |
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| 13:10.02 | insolit2 | and search for glx |
| 13:10.11 | giblets | insolit2: atm, I don't have X :-) |
| 13:10.17 | insolit2 | oh nice :D |
| 13:10.26 | fengor | apt-cache search glxinfo |
| 13:10.39 | fengor | returns mesa-utils for me |
| 13:10.51 | insolit2 | yes |
| 13:10.54 | giblets | fengor: thanks |
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| 13:12.26 | liable | stipid router firmware broke ipv6 lookups |
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| 13:13.05 | p0g0 | who makes the stipid brand router? |
| 13:13.22 | liable | p0g0: billion |
| 13:13.41 | liable | i had a linksys that did the same thing |
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| 13:13.51 | liable | though that may have been my isp at the time |
| 13:14.00 | mark_ | any particular reason why useradd might segfault when trying to add a new user? if i add the user manually it does work.. |
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| 13:14.10 | liable | but this one gives malformed packets back for ipv6 lookups |
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| 13:15.45 | giblets | insolit2: cool, that says I have direct rendering. |
| 13:15.57 | insolit2 | then you're done |
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| 13:16.43 | insolit2 | what's the command that tells what's using a partition? |
| 13:16.44 | giblets | um, at the moment, the device section of my xorg.conf file only has name and driver.... shouldn't there be more options specified? |
| 13:17.13 | insolit2 | no |
| 13:17.26 | insolit2 | you meant identifier and driver right? |
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| 13:17.38 | giblets | yeah |
| 13:17.45 | hark | fuser/lsof |
| 13:17.55 | insolit2 | thanks hark |
| 13:17.59 | insolit2 | :D |
| 13:18.16 | giblets | I'm just used to my nvidia one with lotsa options >) |
| 13:19.04 | hark | man xorg.conf man driver :) |
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| 13:19.48 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 13:19.48 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 13:21.02 | giblets | thanks guys, bye |
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| 13:21.39 | hark | yay, the locales and kernel issues fo Sid are finally fixed! |
| 13:22.01 | liable | hm, my locales got held back today |
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| 13:22.40 | hark | just ran an update.. it's installing.. let's see ;) |
| 13:22.47 | eheil | Mine installed properly today. They were held back though for a few days. I think it may have to do with the libc-2.5 transition. |
| 13:23.09 | wintix | insolit2: mount |
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| 13:23.37 | insolit2 | wintix, ? |
| 13:23.40 | hark | yup, amd64 had it lucky ;) |
| 13:23.47 | wintix | < insolit2> what's the command that tells what's using a partition? |
| 13:23.56 | insolit2 | mount mounts |
| 13:24.03 | liable | the joys of sid after a release. i upgraded this morning, now i get another 100 odd MB upgrade |
| 13:24.05 | wintix | insolit2: and displays the mount table. |
| 13:24.08 | insolit2 | does it tells what files are using a partition ? |
| 13:24.12 | insolit2 | *tell |
| 13:24.13 | hark | heh, indeed |
| 13:24.25 | insolit2 | lsof, fuser do that |
| 13:24.25 | mcolo2k | can somebody tell me how to remove a package that have a fail dependences |
| 13:24.34 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:24.35 | dpkg | hmm... qotd32 is <Sarvok> So i've just typed "dpkg-reconfigure kevix's" and it's the same thing : the bash have a line started with ">" and that all ! |
| 13:24.49 | tarzeau | mcolo2k: fix the fail dependency? which package is that? |
| 13:24.51 | eheil | You got more stuff coming into sid. Just wait untill Gnome 2.18 is fully uploaded. All of 2.18 is not there as of yet. Slowly though it creeps in. |
| 13:25.09 | mcolo2k | the pack is psa-qmail-rblsmtpd from psa |
| 13:25.12 | wintix | insolit2: oh, ok. then i misinterpreted your question. i thought you wanted to know which partition is used for what mountpoint. |
| 13:25.20 | hark | http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.18-status.html |
| 13:25.47 | mcolo2k | tarzeau: i tried with apt-get install -f but nothing happened |
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| 13:27.36 | insolit2 | ok wintix :D thanks anyway |
| 13:27.42 | vijaypc | hi all |
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| 13:27.51 | mcolo2k | tarzeau can you help me? |
| 13:28.03 | tarzeau | mcolo2k: the package is from debian or not? |
| 13:28.38 | mcolo2k | nop, the package isn't from debian |
| 13:28.44 | massctrl | anyone experience with xen on debian ? |
| 13:28.55 | petemc | yes |
| 13:29.03 | mcolo2k | i just need to remove it, i don't wanna have it anymore |
| 13:29.05 | mark_ | any particular reason why useradd might segfault when trying to add a new user? if i add the user manually it does work.. |
| 13:29.07 | wintix | massctrl: ask your real question :) |
| 13:30.28 | massctrl | wintix: I installed a xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 kernel all ok, but which kernel should I use for my domU ? |
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| 13:30.43 | petemc | massctrl: same |
| 13:31.46 | massctrl | petemc: so you mean that the frontend and backend options are both compiled into that kernel? I thought this wasn't adviced to do so,... |
| 13:32.03 | fengor | mcolo2k: stupid quuestion, did you try apt-get remove -f instead of apt-get install -f for REMOVING a package? |
| 13:32.17 | petemc | massctrl: about a year ago you used different kernels for dom0 and domU, now the same works for both |
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| 13:33.04 | spyro_boy | I just compiled a new kernel |
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| 13:33.18 | spyro_boy | iirc, we still need to use mkinitrd? |
| 13:33.35 | massctrl | petemc: hm, ok, interesting,... strange though, ... thanks for the info .. |
| 13:33.46 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: guess what so did I |
| 13:34.09 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I need a new initrd, though. Right? |
| 13:34.10 | wintix | spyro_boy: did you make the kernel the debian way? |
| 13:34.18 | spyro_boy | Uh |
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| 13:34.26 | spyro_boy | downloading it from kernel.org and configging it? |
| 13:34.31 | spyro_boy | and then compiling it? |
| 13:34.41 | Testerss | what is the file limitation size in sarge? |
| 13:34.46 | stew | spyro_boy: don't use mkinitrd for kernels >= 2.6.13, use mkinitramfs-tools if you use udev (preferred) of yaird otherwise |
| 13:34.57 | wintix | spyro_boy: make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd (where --initrd is optional depending on your hardware configuration and stuff) |
| 13:34.57 | spyro_boy | Ah |
| 13:34.57 | petemc | spyro_boy: depending on the options you used, you could do without an initrd |
| 13:34.58 | spyro_boy | That's it |
| 13:35.02 | vijaypc | apache is not working |
| 13:35.03 | massctrl | petemc: do you know the difference between the xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and the xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 kernels? |
| 13:35.03 | vijaypc | in etch |
| 13:35.12 | stew | spyro_boy: in the future, you should also consider using kernel-package and adding the --initrd flag to make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
| 13:35.12 | spyro_boy | I remembered something about mkinitrd not for newer kernels |
| 13:35.14 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I let you know, mine is still compiling, I am sticking around here while it does |
| 13:35.15 | vijaypc | after i upgraded the etch |
| 13:35.18 | petemc | massctrl: something to do with vserver, i guess (no, i dont) |
| 13:35.39 | stew | vijaypc: be more specific than "not working" |
| 13:36.23 | mcolo2k | fengor: nop, i used apt-get --purge remove psa-qmail |
| 13:36.29 | Testerss | what is the file limitation size in sarge? Meaning what is the largest file it can deal with... |
| 13:36.43 | alleyoopster | stew: are there any instructions on this, I've seen http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html |
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| 13:36.53 | mcolo2k | and now apt tell me that have a dependence fail, then i tried use -f install |
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| 13:36.57 | fengor | mcolo2k: and what was the exact error message you got? |
| 13:36.57 | petemc | massctrl: in case anyone else hasnt suggested it, now might be the time to move away from qmail... |
| 13:37.01 | liable | !dbugs 419189 |
| 13:37.02 | petemc | mcolo2k: ^^^ |
| 13:37.05 | dpkg | #419189:[libc6] Error on installing libc6 2.5-1 - breaks system; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:39:01 UTC |
| 13:37.11 | wintix | Testerss: depends on the filesystem and kernel support |
| 13:37.23 | mcolo2k | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.35 | Testerss | wintix Lets say ext3 and a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 13:38.29 | fengor | and what do you get if you do apt-get remove psa-qmail-rblsmtpd |
| 13:38.29 | fengor | ? |
| 13:38.45 | ma3x | how do I give normal user privillege to enter a mounted ntfs partition? |
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| 13:38.49 | vijaypc | i installed apache last month and i have updted the apache it failed to open so i reinstlled the apache2 and php5 i am using. though i reinstlled it not starting it says .conf files is missing. After i reinstlled i found there is nothing in the /etc/apache2/ folder |
| 13:38.58 | petemc | ma3x: -o umask=022 |
| 13:39.01 | vijaypc | i dont know what went wrong |
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| 13:39.21 | stew | alleyoopster: those look like good instructions to me, what exactly are you after? /msg dpkg kp ; /msg dpkg kp mantra ; perhaps? |
| 13:39.28 | Testerss | wintix any idea roughly? |
| 13:39.36 | mcolo2k | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 13:39.39 | stew | vijaypc: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:39.41 | ma3x | thanks petemc |
| 13:39.42 | wintix | Testerss: i'm currently looking for the damn kernel option ;) |
| 13:39.53 | Testerss | heh ok |
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| 13:40.05 | mcolo2k | The following packages have unmet dependencies. /n at: Depends: mail-transport-agent ... and says some packages.. |
| 13:40.16 | azeem | mcolo2k: install an MTA |
| 13:40.17 | fengor | idoubt that that was the whole error mesasage. but it in a paste bin and ill see if i can give you pointers |
| 13:40.28 | mcolo2k | but i can not understand why if i want to remove why it request dependences |
| 13:40.45 | fengor | mcolo2k: it doesnt request dependecies |
| 13:40.52 | fengor | other packages depent on an mta being installed |
| 13:41.01 | fengor | and you try to remove the one your server provider pre installed |
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| 13:41.37 | mcolo2k | how i can remove all orphans packages? |
| 13:41.39 | spyro_boy | alright |
| 13:41.39 | alleyoopster | stew: it refers to README.gz and that this should be followed and as the instructions are only brief, it seems the readme is very old and I am not sure current |
| 13:41.42 | spyro_boy | rebooting in new kern |
| 13:41.51 | fengor | man apt-get |
| 13:42.06 | fengor | but i strongly recommend having a mta running |
| 13:42.23 | mcolo2k | i tried with all the docs .. but i cant not found the answer |
| 13:42.28 | alleyoopster | stew: I followed www.howtoforge.com |
| 13:42.41 | mcolo2k | yeap.. i want to have one but no psa-qmail.. i want to use postfix |
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| 13:43.27 | stew | mcolo2k: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get (which is recommended for many reasons) you shouldn't get orphans. otherwise, deborphan will give you a list of orphans that you can remove |
| 13:43.30 | wintix | Testerss: http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html |
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| 13:43.52 | fengor | try apt-get install -f psa-qmail-rblsmtpd^ postfix |
| 13:43.52 | kiat | How can I find out that my debian machine is a i386 machine ? |
| 13:44.14 | fengor | ^ was a hyphen correct? i'm not sure with the englich names of special characters |
| 13:44.26 | mcolo2k | stew: shit! bash: deborphan: command not found |
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| 13:44.39 | stew | alleyoopster: i don't htink kernel-pacakge has changed much in the last few years. but i'm probably not the guy to ask. i rarely find reasons to build kenrels anymore |
| 13:44.44 | stew | mcolo2k: aptitude isntall deborphan |
| 13:44.45 | mcolo2k | and i can not install any packages |
| 13:44.52 | stew | mcolo2k: why not? |
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| 13:45.01 | fengor | why can you remove but not install? |
| 13:45.03 | alleyoopster | kiat: uname -a will tell you the kernel your running |
| 13:45.05 | mcolo2k | coz my apt-get is broken |
| 13:45.12 | stew | !tell mcolo2k about bat |
| 13:45.26 | wintix | alleyoopster: do you have problems configuring or actually building the kernel? |
| 13:45.46 | kiat | yes, but I have it on XEN domU and use a ADM64 Kernel |
| 13:45.56 | mcolo2k | fengor: no i can not remove, install or do nothing with my apt |
| 13:46.04 | kiat | uname -a get the kernel name of xen |
| 13:46.07 | stew | mcolo2k: show us the output |
| 13:46.18 | alleyoopster | wintix: well haven't had a problem yet, but it has not finished, I just didn't find current docs and thought there must be some |
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| 13:46.29 | stew | mcolo2k: /msg dpkg pastebin ; /msg dpkg bat |
| 13:46.52 | appelza | how do I get the kernel sources? |
| 13:47.20 | appelza | (used netinst, now i want to enable raid in the kernel but i dont see the kernel symlink.) |
| 13:47.44 | liable | what raid modules? |
| 13:48.01 | wintix | alleyoopster: building a kernel after configuring it is quite simple. make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd where --initrd is optional, depending on your configuration. after that, just install the created .deb file |
| 13:48.02 | liable | if its in the kernel, its most likely enabled already |
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| 13:48.10 | stew | appelza: raid is already enabled |
| 13:48.11 | mcolo2k | i can not get what you said. |
| 13:48.23 | wintix | alleyoopster: it will build the initrd automatically if you specified --initrd an have yaird or something installed |
| 13:48.23 | appelza | stew: oh? I dont see a /proc/mdstat entry |
| 13:48.30 | appelza | err., i mean that file doesnt exist. |
| 13:48.42 | appelza | but if that doesnt matter then ill go ahead :) ? |
| 13:48.44 | stew | appelza: you must not have activated any raid arrays yet |
| 13:48.47 | numan | !fonts |
| 13:48.47 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 13:48.53 | appelza | Ah kewl |
| 13:48.57 | appelza | Thanks |
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| 13:49.19 | alleyoopster | wintix: neither I am afraid |
| 13:49.35 | stew | appelza: "/sbin/modprobe -l | grep raid" will list the kernel modules you have available matching "raid" |
| 13:49.39 | wintix | alleyoopster: heh |
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| 13:49.49 | Testerss | wintix thank you. |
| 13:49.59 | wintix | alleyoopster: if it doesn't work you can always boot the debian kernel |
| 13:50.11 | ma3x | if I have hda1 and hda2 and if I delete hda1, then how do I make hda2 become hda1? |
| 13:50.14 | alleyoopster | wintix: I have not got yaird installed and I didn't specify initrd |
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| 13:51.17 | alleyoopster | wintix: ok thanks, find out soon |
| 13:51.27 | spyro_boy | okay.. I just rebooted |
| 13:51.33 | spyro_boy | but I ended up coming to my old kernel |
| 13:51.58 | spyro_boy | The kernel looked as if it was working but it suddenly stops and says "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem ..." |
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| 13:52.08 | spyro_boy | Or something around those lines. |
| 13:52.13 | spyro_boy | Any ideas? |
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| 13:52.24 | mcolo2k | i got it |
| 13:52.31 | ovaltine | can anyone hep me cross compile to windows from etch? |
| 13:52.33 | mcolo2k | the paste bin url is http://pastebin.ca/446420 |
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| 13:52.59 | DawnLight | how do i restart the klamav first run wizard? purging and installing again doesn't do it |
| 13:53.04 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: did you import your old config before you edited |
| 13:53.12 | mcolo2k | stew: the url is http://pastebin.ca/446420 |
| 13:53.26 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, import my old config? |
| 13:53.37 | spyro_boy | I guess not. |
| 13:53.39 | spyro_boy | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=265778 |
| 13:53.47 | spyro_boy | That seems to be my error, but I didn't wait that long |
| 13:53.51 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: when you fired up make menuconfig you can load your old config |
| 13:53.52 | spyro_boy | so I'll read the link first |
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| 13:54.36 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, is 2.6.18-3 really worth importing into 2.6.20.7? |
| 13:54.36 | spyro_boy | are they compatible at all? |
| 13:54.36 | stew | abrotman: HAHA |
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| 13:54.37 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: if you didn't you need to make sure you have all the filesystem options enabled among other things |
| 13:54.37 | stew | mcolo2k: what is psa-qmail-rblsmtpd |
| 13:54.43 | stew | mcolo2k: where did that come from? |
| 13:54.45 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, what? |
| 13:54.52 | vijaypc | i have done that still it shows the same error |
| 13:54.57 | fengor | stew: its apparently a package the server provider he rented the server from installed |
| 13:55.05 | fengor | its not officially debian afaik |
| 13:55.13 | stew | fengor: definately not |
| 13:55.19 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: you did make menuconfig right? |
| 13:55.27 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, yes |
| 13:55.28 | mcolo2k | from plesk repositories, but thet problem is the plesk repositories aren't available anymore! that is the big deal |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | petemc: go to youtube and search "pizza mlb" |
| 13:55.30 | spyro_boy | and I configured it |
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| 13:55.52 | vijaypc | strew:i have done what u have said but still the problem is there |
| 13:55.54 | fengor | mcolo2k: but why do you tell us about failed dependecies |
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| 13:56.00 | stew | mcolo2k: so there is a bug in this unofficial package you are using. i'd recommend that you edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/psa-qmail-rblsmtpd.prerm and add a line "set -x" right after the #!/bin/sh line, which will tell you what it is doing when it fails |
| 13:56.09 | fengor | when the error is clearly the pre removal script |
| 13:56.15 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: it sounds to me like something was unchecked in your config, I am just guessing at filesystem options from the error, but it is only a guess |
| 13:56.38 | mcolo2k | ok, i will do it |
| 13:56.40 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, well, my DVD-RW drive is in hda and my HDD is in HDB |
| 13:56.48 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, do you think that's causing the problem? |
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| 13:57.00 | spyro_boy | I'm sure I have the correct settings though |
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| 13:57.12 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I didn't have a problem with loading in old kernel options, guess it ignores ones that have expired |
| 13:57.18 | petemc | abrotman: ahh, nice :) |
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| 13:57.29 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: then not sure I can help |
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| 13:57.40 | I_Web_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.42 | pingouin | how can i get the configuration of the default kernel of a fresh Etch install ? |
| 13:57.47 | mcolo2k | stew: i did it, and now? |
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| 13:57.58 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, okay. Thanks anyway |
| 13:58.13 | stew | mcolo2k: try apt-get -f install again, and show us how the output |
| 13:58.39 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: not sure on the dvd mapping, is a bit odd |
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| 13:58.51 | jumpship | is it possible to apt-get and have apt install the recommended packages as well? cant find option in man page :( |
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| 13:59.01 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, yeah.. it's because I'm using IDE |
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| 13:59.08 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, doens't fit any other way in my box |
| 13:59.11 | wintix | jumpship: aptitude --with-remommended i think |
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| 13:59.13 | spyro_boy | I only have primary IDE |
| 13:59.21 | spyro_boy | secondary doesn't exist on my board |
| 13:59.23 | jumpship | wintix: thnx |
| 13:59.32 | spyro_boy | I have a new SATA board. :/ |
| 13:59.40 | ma3x | I want to create a swap partition, how much space do I need/ |
| 14:00.03 | Appiah | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.05 | wintix | ma3x: usually double the size of your ram would be a good idea if you have enough space |
| 14:00.18 | mcolo2k | stew: this is the url http://pastebin.ca/446433 |
| 14:00.19 | jumpship | oh, only under aptitude? |
| 14:00.23 | fengor | the rule of thumb was swap = 2*ram but that has been some time ago dont know if it is still accurate |
| 14:00.29 | ma3x | what if the ram is 1 GB? is it really necessary to make 2 GB swap? |
| 14:00.40 | Appiah | its far from accurate but 3 times is overkill |
| 14:00.43 | abrotman | depends on the system |
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| 14:00.51 | Appiah | 1 is enough 1.5 ok 2 ok stop |
| 14:01.10 | jelly | Hi, I can't remember what kernel module is needed for a usb keyboard to work? |
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| 14:01.17 | Appiah | but like abrotman says it depends |
| 14:01.19 | ma3x | and what do I need the swap for? if I have ram 1 gig? |
| 14:01.23 | stew | mcolo2k: that's not the whole output, it didn't get as far as the error |
| 14:01.29 | ma3x | do some applications use it? |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | ma3x: it .. depends |
| 14:01.39 | wintix | ma3x: depends on what you are planning to do. |
| 14:01.41 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: sata options were they enabled? |
| 14:02.02 | ma3x | nothing, can I run my system without swap? |
| 14:02.07 | stew | ma3x: if your machine is properly configured it should use at least a little swap even if you aren't using 1gb of ram for applications. having a swap partition will also let you do things like suspend to disk |
| 14:02.08 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I think I found the error |
| 14:02.08 | Appiah | it depends on what your planing to do , how fast your RAM and CPU can process everything and how big the thigns they are supposed to process |
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| 14:02.09 | abrotman | ma3x: if you don't think you need swap .. then don't use any .. watch with horror what happens when you use all oyur 1GB of RAM |
| 14:02.10 | wintix | ma3x: if you use gimp with very large photos it might want to have more ram that you have and start using swap w.g. |
| 14:02.15 | ma3x | some package like uswsps something like that complained that it needs swap partition |
| 14:02.15 | Appiah | just get 1.5-2x and it will be enough |
| 14:02.20 | wintix | s/w.g./e.g./ |
| 14:02.22 | stew | ma3x: you can run your machine without swap but it won't run as fast |
| 14:02.26 | tolecnal | ma3x: all applications uses swap, if your current memory is swamped. If your current physical memory isn't up to handle all the IO-requests, it needs to flush to swap and use it until all request are done |
| 14:02.40 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I found an extra line between my kernel and initrd lines in my grub menu.list... I think it's not loading the initrd due to a syntax error |
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| 14:02.51 | Appiah | its about the speed of the ram and cpu too , not just the size of the ram |
| 14:02.54 | mcolo2k | stew: ok, i'm completing it |
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| 14:03.02 | spyro_boy | brb |
| 14:03.03 | Appiah | so just get 1.5x - 2x |
| 14:03.04 | ma3x | ok, so then I will make swap and put it in /etc/fstab |
| 14:03.05 | alleyoopster | spryo_boy: ok |
| 14:03.07 | spyro_boy | brb rebooting |
| 14:03.14 | ma3x | should I do swapon or not necessairly? |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | ma3x: good plan |
| 14:03.59 | stew | ma3x: if its in fstab with the sw option, swapon will happen automatically |
| 14:04.01 | mcolo2k | stew: i posted the lasts lines |
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| 14:04.09 | Appiah | you need to "swapon" to active it |
| 14:04.11 | spyro_boy | damnit |
| 14:04.12 | spyro_boy | nevermind. |
| 14:04.15 | spyro_boy | That wasn't it |
| 14:04.53 | fengor | where mcolo2k ? |
| 14:05.09 | mcolo2k | fengor: http://pastebin.ca/446438 |
| 14:05.14 | fasta | What's the easiest way to tell the package management system to get Gnome from Unstable, but don't take anything else from Unstable? |
| 14:05.18 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: did you enable sata options? |
| 14:05.35 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I'm sure I did |
| 14:05.37 | spyro_boy | I'll check |
| 14:05.48 | ma3x | why does ntfs support some special chars in the filenames and ext doesnt |
| 14:05.49 | fasta | (Actually, I only need libbonobo2-0 from Unstable) |
| 14:06.11 | stew | mcolo2k: ok, so this looks like the script is failing becuase mysql 4.1 is not installed. what version of debian are you running |
| 14:06.24 | mcolo2k | fengor, stew: i think i get the error when the script try to connect to mysql with that info /usr/bin/mysql -uadmin -psetup -N -Dpsa -B -r -e 'show innodb status' |
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| 14:06.26 | wintix | !tell fasta about simple sid backport |
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| 14:06.47 | fengor | mcolo2k: yes that seems to be the problem check the status of the database |
| 14:06.52 | mcolo2k | i had sarge 3.1 with psa then i removed psa and i upgrade to etch |
| 14:07.02 | mcolo2k | and now i've mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:07.12 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, er.. btw, I don't have any SATA devices.. that's why my harddrive is on hdn |
| 14:07.15 | spyro_boy | hdb* |
| 14:07.35 | spyro_boy | but yes |
| 14:07.40 | spyro_boy | they're enabled |
| 14:07.43 | spyro_boy | and compiled in |
| 14:07.45 | mcolo2k | plus i changed the password for the admin user |
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| 14:08.14 | stew | mcolo2k: your options are to try to fix the mysql stuff (which i think is going to be hard) or have the script skip it |
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| 14:08.30 | stew | mcolo2k: ...by commenting out the mysql stuff from the script |
| 14:09.15 | fengor | well you could try changing the password in the script to the new admin password and see if it works |
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| 14:09.26 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: there are a few hits with google you might want to check it out |
| 14:09.39 | fengor | failing that i'd go with stew recommendation and comment the sql part out and doing that part by hand after the package is removed |
| 14:09.41 | bintut | i got this machine ==> http://cogitoimage.com.sg/_help/Welcome.htm but with a different hard disk size, processor and ram. my question is, what's the easiest way to install debian etch on this machine over the network? |
| 14:09.43 | mcolo2k | on the script that stew said? |
| 14:09.51 | spyro_boy | Oh |
| 14:09.52 | liable | having acript with a user=admin and pword=setup is a bit strange. |
| 14:09.54 | spyro_boy | I see |
| 14:10.15 | spyro_boy | the AMD and nVidia IDE support were modules.. |
| 14:10.19 | spyro_boy | maybe that's why? |
| 14:10.35 | spyro_boy | er.. it's only a module |
| 14:10.36 | spyro_boy | nevermind |
| 14:10.46 | fengor | !tell bintut about netinstall |
| 14:11.01 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: it is likely that there is something it needs that isn't loaded |
| 14:11.02 | abrotman | over the network ? |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | well .. it does have ssh options :) |
| 14:11.23 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, yeah, I'm trying to find that out |
| 14:11.29 | spyro_boy | I have google opened on my other screen |
| 14:11.29 | bintut | fengor: how can i install using netinstall if this machine doesn't have a cd drive? |
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| 14:11.52 | fengor | !tell bintut about debootstrap |
| 14:11.59 | stew | bintut: with floppies? a usb thumb drive? netboot? |
| 14:12.14 | stew | a puchcard reader and a dotmatrix printer |
| 14:12.38 | fengor | ah the rube goldberg install? |
| 14:12.43 | stew | :) |
| 14:12.54 | fengor | that always works if everything else fails ;) |
| 14:13.07 | mcolo2k | stew: i think is better if i can change the mysql admin password |
| 14:13.10 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I have got all this fun to come when mine finishes |
| 14:13.13 | fasta | wintix: as a result of this action lots of packages are deleted (e.g. totem). Why? |
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| 14:13.25 | mcolo2k | do you remember the comond to change the password? |
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| 14:13.32 | bintut | fengor: i was asking for a network install |
| 14:13.36 | alleyoopster | mcolo2k: passwd |
| 14:13.49 | fengor | alleyoopster: he meant for a mysql account |
| 14:13.49 | alleyoopster | mcolo2k sorry |
| 14:13.55 | bintut | stew: is there a usb thumb drive installer for etch? |
| 14:13.55 | stew | mcolo2k: if that makes it work, it would certainly be better |
| 14:13.56 | alleyoopster | mcolo2k: yeah got that |
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| 14:14.04 | fengor | bintut: just what do you think the net in netinstall stands for? |
| 14:14.06 | abrotman | bintut: the install guide say show to do that |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | !tell bintut about ig |
| 14:14.11 | stew | mcolo2k: edit the User table in the mysql database and then execute "flush privileges" |
| 14:14.15 | mcolo2k | alleyoopster: i'm talking about mysql users |
| 14:14.24 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, indeed. |
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| 14:14.34 | alleyoopster | mcolo2k: yeah sorry, just read it through |
| 14:14.36 | stew | bintut: yes the install guide explains it (/msg dpkg ig), or /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 14:14.51 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I have a dual core, so mine compiled in ~20 minutes :) |
| 14:15.03 | looneytoon | upgrading to mysql-server-5.0.38-1 stalls at 'Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld' |
| 14:15.08 | looneytoon | this happened to anybody? |
| 14:15.29 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I am not so lucky, I think mine is 10 times slower |
| 14:15.31 | stew | looneytoon: it happens to people with 2.4 kernels, what does "uanme -r" say? |
| 14:15.39 | ilyas | Hi all! Where I can change settings for usplash? |
| 14:15.51 | mcolo2k | My god! the password field is a hash |
| 14:16.00 | bintut | stew: my machine might not boot from usb |
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| 14:16.00 | looneytoon | stew: got the 2.4 kernel |
| 14:16.06 | mcolo2k | how i can generate that type hash |
| 14:16.37 | stew | looneytoon: read the release notes and install a 2.6 kenrel: /msg dpkg etch |
| 14:16.38 | bintut | stew, abrotman and fengor: this is an old machine that i have ==> http://cogitoimage.com.sg/_help/Welcome.htm |
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| 14:16.55 | looneytoon | stew: ok, at least i know where to look now thnx |
| 14:16.55 | abrotman | can it boot from USB ?> |
| 14:17.21 | abrotman | can it do PXE boot? |
| 14:17.28 | stew | mcolo2k: update user set Password=PASSWORD('s3krit') where User='username'; flush privileges; |
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| 14:17.51 | fengor | bintut: what os is installed? |
| 14:18.27 | bintut | fengor: currently, it's CeLinuX |
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| 14:18.51 | stew | bintut: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 14:19.11 | fengor | then read about debootstrap |
| 14:19.20 | fengor | dpkg messaged you the factoid earlier |
| 14:19.26 | bintut | fengor: but i want to remove the hard disk that comes with it and i'll just buy a seagate 300gb ide hdd for that box |
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| 14:19.35 | fengor | or read the installg uide as you have been told too |
| 14:19.37 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: according to this thread it was initramfs-tools causing the problem http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7295&sid=9f51fafaaa685952e648d43ace7d8093 |
| 14:20.03 | mcolo2k | stew and fengor you have my life!!! that work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:20.14 | azeem | mcolo2k: you meant wife* |
| 14:20.31 | mcolo2k | i changed the mysql admin password and the script work fine! |
| 14:20.32 | stew | i'm pretty good with both my wife and life, but thanks :) |
| 14:20.47 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, ah. I didn't find that. |
| 14:20.50 | mcolo2k | hahaah excuse my bad english! i'm an shounger argentinian! |
| 14:20.51 | mcolo2k | :P |
| 14:20.53 | spyro_boy | Thanks for helping, I'll read it |
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| 14:21.12 | fengor | bintut: well then you shouldnt ask the wrong question |
| 14:21.21 | fengor | and you still can use usb thuumb drive for install |
| 14:21.32 | fengor | at least it says that i has usb connectors on the description page |
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| 14:22.13 | fengor | oh i wouldnt mind the wife stew. flying solo for over 1,5 years a bit of twosome would be welcome ;p |
| 14:22.16 | mcolo2k | fengor: thx at all!! that worked! |
| 14:22.21 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I see.. why do I need to do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 14:22.41 | bintut | fengor: yeah, it has but all i know that only the newer mobos does support from usb boot |
| 14:22.59 | fengor | bintut: did you checked the bios? if not do that first |
| 14:23.19 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi/+bug/62608 points at initramfs on an ubuntu problem, |
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| 14:24.42 | spyro_boy | "Also the update-initramfs fixes the problem also for me, but don't know why the one created wasn't valid." |
| 14:24.42 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: if you wait after you get the error does it drop out with any other message? |
| 14:24.47 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I haven't wait that long |
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| 14:25.12 | spyro_boy | but http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7295&sid=9f51fafaaa685952e648d43ace7d8093 I get the same thing right before the "Done. Alert!" |
| 14:25.15 | fengor | bintut and of course you could always try to get your hands on a pcmcia cdrom drive and try to install from there |
| 14:25.36 | Casius_Dracul | I just tried to install Vista along side Debian, well they got into a huge fight. Debian won |
| 14:25.40 | bintut | fengor: not yet for now.. i'll read first the docs about debootstrap here |
| 14:25.47 | spyro_boy | Casius_Dracul, hahahah |
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| 14:26.01 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: not sure how long, but it may reveal something, the first link situation dropped out to shell with hard disk error |
| 14:26.11 | bintut | fengor: thanks for your suggestions.. :) |
| 14:26.12 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, yes |
| 14:26.15 | Casius_Dracul | I just had to enter the channel with some flare |
| 14:26.23 | Casius_Dracul | and a joke |
| 14:26.51 | spyro_boy | I'm sort-of lazy to wait though |
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| 14:27.09 | Casius_Dracul | anyone know how to get fusermount to work correctly? |
| 14:27.15 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: well there is always the old kernel :) |
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| 14:27.25 | Alpounet | anyone know about installing wifi under etch? is it easy et problemless ? |
| 14:27.34 | Alpounet | (with ipw2200, more precisely) |
| 14:27.36 | spyro_boy | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=452854 alleyoopster check out |
| 14:28.06 | spyro_boy | a lot of them point to apt-get upgrade.. |
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| 14:28.57 | fengor | !tell Alpounet about ipw2200 |
| 14:29.27 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: it's talking about an old version of udev causing the problem |
| 14:29.32 | spyro_boy | yeah |
| 14:29.39 | spyro_boy | but I seem to have the newest udev |
| 14:29.43 | spyro_boy | udev is already the newest version. |
| 14:29.43 | spyro_boy | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 457 not upgraded. |
| 14:30.05 | spyro_boy | yaird - Yet Another mkInitRD |
| 14:30.12 | spyro_boy | I should try yaird.. |
| 14:30.23 | Alpounet | fengor, who should tell me? debhelper? :) |
| 14:30.35 | stew | spyro_boy: if you are running udev, why not use mkinitramfs intead of yaird? |
| 14:30.42 | spyro_boy | I did |
| 14:30.46 | stew | spyro_boy: didn't work? |
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| 14:30.49 | spyro_boy | stew, nope |
| 14:30.53 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I don think it applies |
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| 14:30.56 | spyro_boy | still getting this weird error |
| 14:31.05 | fengor | Alpounet: you should have a private message from dpkg |
| 14:31.27 | stew | spyro_boy: what kernel version? |
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| 14:31.42 | stew | spyro_boy: was the initrd created from a previous running kernel or in a chroot or what? |
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| 14:31.51 | spyro_boy | stew, 2.6.20.7+patch |
| 14:31.52 | Alpounet | oh, sorry |
| 14:31.52 | Alpounet | right |
| 14:32.20 | spyro_boy | stew, I created for that kernel in my root drive |
| 14:33.04 | vijaypc | is there any thing i need to change in the sourcelist as the etch is freezed |
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| 14:33.04 | Ronin | vijaypc: depends on what you want to do |
| 14:33.05 | Alpounet | !tell Alpounet about contrib |
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| 14:33.05 | Alpounet | !tell Alpounet about ipw2200 firmware |
| 14:33.05 | stew | vijaypc: read the release notes: /msg dpkg etch |
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| 14:33.05 | fengor | Alpounet: you can do /msg dpkg contrib too |
| 14:33.13 | fengor | just send him the keywords in a private qry |
| 14:33.47 | spyro_boy | someone reports that udev isn't used by 2.6.12 or newer.. |
| 14:33.52 | Alpounet | okay, thanks |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | spyro_boy: that's devfs |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | devfs isn't in kernels after 2.6.12 |
| 14:35.10 | spyro_boy | mmm |
| 14:35.27 | spyro_boy | I compiled and installed the kernel myself, could it be because I still have the default debian kernel in dpkg? |
| 14:35.30 | stew | spyro_boy: you are running etch or later, right? |
| 14:35.36 | spyro_boy | etch testing |
| 14:35.37 | stew | spyro_boy: no |
| 14:35.40 | stew | spyro_boy: which? |
| 14:35.52 | fengor | spyro_boy: you run either etch or testing see the topic ;) |
| 14:36.02 | spyro_boy | "I tried to upgrade udev, but it sayed it was already the latest version. |
| 14:36.02 | spyro_boy | Then I did apt-cache show udev wich learned me udev conflicted with initramfs-tools. That is exactly the package where the initrd is built with! Googled for replacement and there it is." |
| 14:36.21 | spyro_boy | looks like that dood ended up using yaird |
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| 14:36.26 | stew | spyro_boy: that sounds like a sarge user trying to mix sarge and etch |
| 14:36.35 | spyro_boy | oh :/ |
| 14:37.02 | stew | spyro_boy: as initramfs-tools would conflict with sarge's udev and depend on a newer one from etch |
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| 14:37.26 | _joey | how do I setup anonymous ftp? |
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| 14:38.51 | spyro_boy | updating apt |
| 14:39.20 | ootput | which tool would be useful in setting up a local apt-mirror that only mirrors packages currently in my /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | _joey: depeneds on the ftpd |
| 14:39.37 | spyro_boy | Need to get 582MB of archives. |
| 14:39.37 | spyro_boy | After unpacking 34.1MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:39.38 | spyro_boy | <3 |
| 14:39.39 | Ankman | _joey: read the man page for the FTP server you intend to use |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | or /usr/share/doc/<ftpd>/ |
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| 14:42.39 | ootput | does steven j vaughan-nichols ever have something good to say about debian? |
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| 14:43.14 | Ronin | who? |
| 14:43.18 | abrotman | ask him .. not us ? |
| 14:43.29 | ootput | there's only so much that i've read |
| 14:43.35 | ootput | perhaps the collective has read more? |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | hrm .. any of you used udev with ISA cards ? |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | ootput: is he your dad ? |
| 14:44.07 | spyro_boy | whoa |
| 14:44.09 | spyro_boy | ISA cards? |
| 14:44.11 | ootput | abrotman: are you fucking serious? |
| 14:44.16 | abrotman | spyro_boy: fax server |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | ootput: well .. i have no idea who he is .. so he could be :) |
| 14:44.31 | spyro_boy | abrotman, ah...... |
| 14:44.32 | alleyoopster | I used kernel-package and make-kpkg to compile a new kernel, do I need to create a ram disk in order to boot? |
| 14:44.59 | stevepastelan_ | hello everyone |
| 14:45.05 | stevepastelan_ | I just upgraded to etch and wine no longer has fonts (no more text at all of any kind) where should I start? |
| 14:45.17 | spyro_boy | stevepastelan_, Steam? |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | #winehq ? |
| 14:45.25 | spyro_boy | yeah |
| 14:45.28 | spyro_boy | that too |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | stevepastelan_: checked the BTS ? |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | what does Steam have to do with the debian wine package ? |
| 14:45.51 | stevepastelan_ | I'm sorry, BTS? |
| 14:46.08 | Ronin | !tell stevepastelan_ about BTS |
| 14:46.09 | spyro_boy | abrotman, there's two wine debian packages, one has a fecked up font stuff. |
| 14:46.09 | stevepastelan_ | spyro_boy: no steam |
| 14:46.31 | spyro_boy | stevepastelan_, what wine? |
| 14:46.38 | psyco-obiwan | alleyoopster: if you used --initrd with make-kpkg there should be nothing more you need to do (except a few thing need to be in your kernel config for this too work properly) |
| 14:46.40 | spyro_boy | 0.9.35? |
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| 14:46.53 | abrotman | there's steam in etch ? |
| 14:47.02 | spyro_boy | no... |
| 14:47.06 | spyro_boy | nevermind :/ |
| 14:47.09 | fireba11 | and another box upgraded to etch :-) |
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| 14:47.12 | abrotman | wine sucks! get a PS2 :) |
| 14:47.17 | spyro_boy | hahahaha |
| 14:47.50 | Auschwitz | No wai, wine is awesome |
| 14:48.17 | liable | beer is better |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | when it works |
| 14:48.22 | Ronin | liable: indeed |
| 14:48.24 | spyro_boy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.29 | stevepastelan_ | version 0.9.32, compiled from source |
| 14:48.32 | Auschwitz | Beer goes down easier :-D |
| 14:48.36 | psyco-obiwan | beer works always |
| 14:48.47 | h3sp4wn | except that light beer americans have |
| 14:49.00 | h3sp4wn | thats useless |
| 14:49.09 | abrotman | not all our beer is light |
| 14:49.30 | h3sp4wn | I didn't try to imply it was |
| 14:49.38 | abrotman | and other countries have light beer |
| 14:49.46 | stevepastelan_ | lol |
| 14:49.48 | Auschwitz | Coors Light is the best |
| 14:49.51 | Ronin | in fact the americans have some outstanding breweries |
| 14:49.51 | stevepastelan_ | you guys are a bunch of alcoholics |
| 14:49.52 | stevepastelan_ | :P |
| 14:49.53 | Auschwitz | That stuff goes down like water |
| 14:49.54 | spyro_boy | nice.. |
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| 14:49.58 | Ronin | umm thats not even beer |
| 14:49.59 | spyro_boy | we went from wine to beers.. |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | Auschwitz: because it is |
| 14:50.01 | spyro_boy | ahahah |
| 14:50.15 | stevepastelan_ | Auschwitz: that's what it is |
| 14:50.18 | stevepastelan_ | beat to the punch |
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| 14:50.51 | AutumnCat | what's the name of this font http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs14/i/2007/094/f/0/Aqua_Project_KDE_iconset_by_hammergom.jpg ? |
| 14:51.05 | liable | view the page source |
| 14:51.06 | stevepastelan_ | anyway, I'm thinking that the reason wine broke is related to the changes to X in etch |
| 14:51.08 | liable | oh |
| 14:51.12 | liable | jpg |
| 14:51.12 | abrotman | liable: it's an image :) |
| 14:51.17 | stevepastelan_ | Is it using X11R7 now? |
| 14:51.19 | abrotman | AutumnCat: maybe ask #kde ? |
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| 14:51.41 | AutumnCat | abrotman: OK.. |
| 14:51.43 | spyro_boy | almost done dist-upgrade :) |
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| 14:52.40 | abrotman | oh damn it! |
| 14:52.41 | DawnLight | how do i restart the klamav first run wizard? purging and installing again doesn't do it |
| 14:53.06 | alleyoopster | I think the docs are on the poor side for kernel compiles |
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| 14:53.51 | mcolo2k | stew: are you there? |
| 14:54.16 | stew | mcolo2k: hi |
| 14:54.22 | mcolo2k | i need to install the configuration of packages from the repository to rewrite the local config |
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| 14:54.39 | mcolo2k | have you any idea? |
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| 14:56.30 | stew | mcolo2k: dpkg --force-help ; be careful about using --force options, please |
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| 14:58.16 | luiz | anyone know why libapache2-mod-security was removed from debian etch? |
| 14:58.25 | spyro_boy | installing all the new packages |
| 14:58.37 | mcolo2k | stew, dpkg? shouln't use I apt-get? |
| 14:58.38 | spyro_boy | ( from dist-upgrade ) |
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| 15:01.15 | mcolo2k | stew, can be confnew option? |
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| 15:01.40 | stew | mcolo2k: apt-get has no such option, only dpkg does (as it is ithe one that does the real work), it is possible to pass dpkg specific options through from apt-get using -o |
| 15:01.43 | stew | mcolo2k: yes |
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| 15:02.01 | nas | what is apt-key for? |
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| 15:02.29 | stew | nas: /msg dpkg apt secure |
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| 15:03.32 | Danic | Hello! I am trying to run let xinetd control sshd. But everytime I want to connect through ssh I get a "connection refused" Can anybody take a look at my xinetd.conf please? --> http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?action=getpaste&pasteID=77113 |
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| 15:03.49 | nas | thanks stew |
| 15:03.53 | abrotman | Danic: why? |
| 15:04.29 | fengor | Danic: with what username are you trying to connect? |
| 15:04.59 | Danic | root |
| 15:05.05 | mcolo2k | stew, i'm a dump i can not do it! i dont know how to. have you any wizard to do it? |
| 15:05.22 | Danic | why? I just want to let xinetd control all of my netservices |
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| 15:05.29 | fengor | Danic: i think your sshd config forbids root logins |
| 15:06.11 | fengor | you shouldnt use ssh as a root user anyway the recommended way is to login via ssh as a normal user and then use su |
| 15:06.27 | stew | mcolo2k: dpkg --force-confnew -i /var/cache/apt/archives/packagename_whatever.deb ; if multiple versions are available make sure you are installing the correct one |
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| 15:07.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I used dist-upgrade, and when I rebooted X starts but all I get is a black screen, Xorg.conf is http://pastebin.ca/446497 and my Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.ca/446499. Can ya help me out? |
| 15:07.18 | scott_ | is there an easy command to run on our NAT server to see who is using high percentages of bandwidth and for what? something like top would be great |
| 15:07.50 | Danic | fengor: PermitRootLogin is set to yes |
| 15:08.00 | ootput | which tool would be useful in setting up a local apt-mirror that only mirrors packages currently in my /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 15:08.13 | K|NgGh0sT | I've tried commenting out Int 10, and it didnt do anuthing |
| 15:08.18 | Danic | fengor: I know, but the system is running in a vm. At the moment I do not care this security issue :) |
| 15:08.23 | petemc | scott_: iptraf, -> ip traffic monitor, press s, then b |
| 15:08.26 | ootput | and is there anyway at all to use that repository during debian installation? |
| 15:08.37 | stew | !connection refused |
| 15:08.37 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 15:08.44 | stew | Danic: ^^ |
| 15:09.19 | stew | it can't be PermitRootLogin, his connection was refused so it didn't get far enough to specify what user he was trying to login as yet |
| 15:09.28 | fengor | ah ok stew |
| 15:09.40 | abrotman | stew: i hope you'll be spending some time outdoors this weekend :) |
| 15:09.45 | Danic | Interesting! So it is the xinetd.conf |
| 15:09.52 | fasta | I builded a package, but I can't install it, because not all the dependencies are met. How is that possible? |
| 15:09.54 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: any luck? |
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| 15:10.05 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, dist-upgrading |
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| 15:10.16 | fasta | Why can't I just run one command to compile and install one package and all its dependencies? |
| 15:10.24 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: what did you do to create modules? |
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| 15:10.44 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, sudo make all deb-pkg |
| 15:11.03 | spyro_boy | I ended up copying the kernels shit myself though |
| 15:11.08 | spyro_boy | deb-pkg wasn't working |
| 15:11.19 | fasta | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libbonobo2-0: |
| 15:11.19 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.19 | fasta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:11.42 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: ok thanks, was trying to use make modules_install |
| 15:11.59 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, when I was one slackware, I did sudo make all install module_install |
| 15:12.00 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: what docs are you working from |
| 15:12.07 | spyro_boy | docs? |
| 15:12.08 | fengor | Danic: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/2002/05/msg00335.html |
| 15:12.15 | fengor | compare that to your xinetd.conf |
| 15:12.37 | liable | fengor: apt-get build-deps ? |
| 15:12.39 | fengor | especially compare the server line to yours (or absent of it |
| 15:12.43 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: are you following a document, wiki or howto |
| 15:12.48 | liable | fasta: ^^^ |
| 15:12.59 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, to compile.. no |
| 15:13.16 | liable | oh, its not a build dep anyway.. |
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| 15:13.21 | ootput | is it normal for raid array to be still active at shutdown if the root partition is on it? |
| 15:13.29 | ootput | ie, will there be any errors at all? |
| 15:13.30 | fasta | liable: I already did that |
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| 15:14.28 | fasta | liable: so, AFAIK, this is simply a broken system. |
| 15:15.02 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: yeah, there was a different method for me, I did it last in gentoo. Can't get modules to load, not sure why. "modprode could not load ...." |
| 15:15.27 | Danic | fengor: Jippie! Jetzt funktioniert's! |
| 15:15.27 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, they didn't get installed if you did that |
| 15:15.38 | Danic | fengor: I mean, Yippie! It works! |
| 15:15.42 | Danic | fengor: Thank you |
| 15:15.43 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, my slackware kernel compile command above does a good job |
| 15:15.46 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, try it |
| 15:15.55 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: ok |
| 15:16.20 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: If you want to build a kernel for debian you should use make-kpkg |
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| 15:16.32 | ben9 | anyone here use an ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard? (i have a few questions regarding driver support and such) |
| 15:16.38 | spyro_boy | nevyn, me |
| 15:16.41 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: I did |
| 15:16.47 | spyro_boy | ben9, me ** |
| 15:16.48 | fengor | !anyone |
| 15:16.48 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:16.52 | ben9 | spyro_boy: really? |
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| 15:16.57 | spyro_boy | ben9, I use it right now |
| 15:17.02 | fasta | liable: dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 15:17.10 | ben9 | spyro_boy: mind if i query you? I'm thinking of buying it but i have a few concerns i'd like to ask you about |
| 15:17.12 | ootput | anyone here? |
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| 15:17.23 | spyro_boy | ben9, go ahead |
| 15:17.25 | ben9 | thanks. |
| 15:17.34 | fasta | I thought Debian binary and source packages were always in sync... :( |
| 15:17.38 | madriss | anyone have a link to a guide for installing apache2 , php and mysql. i can do it... only last time i did it there was a great webpage it told u exactly what to apt-get and then what files needed editing |
| 15:17.58 | inFw | madriss: look for lamp |
| 15:18.06 | magical_trevsky | hi, should my hda1 partition (which will become / after install) be a primary or logical partition? |
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| 15:18.22 | inFw | madriss: lamp = linux+apache+mysql+php |
| 15:18.23 | madriss | ok, does that install other stuff though? i just want the basic setup |
| 15:18.44 | spyro_boy | ben9, make sure you're identified |
| 15:18.54 | stew | madriss: install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server and run a2enmod php5 (or substitude php4 for php5) |
| 15:18.55 | ben9 | erm oops |
| 15:18.57 | ben9 | heh |
| 15:19.14 | stew | madriss: and php5-mysql |
| 15:19.14 | fengor | magical_trevsky: hda1 will probably be primary partition since extended numbering starts with 5 |
| 15:19.21 | madriss | ok might try that thanks :P |
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| 15:19.35 | fengor | magical_trevsky: but your / doesnt have to be hda1 it can be any partition |
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| 15:20.34 | KWartS | what is the lastest stable kernel of debian? |
| 15:20.47 | Dewi | 2.6.18-4 I think |
| 15:21.04 | KWartS | Dewi: thanks |
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| 15:21.20 | madriss | dpkg says its 2.6.20.7 |
| 15:21.25 | madriss | duno if thats right tho |
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| 15:21.41 | abrotman | dpkg says where? |
| 15:21.53 | madriss | that dpkg help bot thing |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | yeah .. where? |
| 15:22.00 | madriss | on this irc room |
| 15:22.06 | abrotman | how did you get it to say that ? |
| 15:22.06 | Dewi | madriss: show us |
| 15:22.11 | madriss | i said kernel to it |
| 15:22.14 | abrotman | !kernel |
| 15:22.15 | K|NgGh0sT | !oneliner |
| 15:22.15 | Dewi | !kernel |
| 15:22.16 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 15:22.20 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 15:22.23 | stew | madriss: that's upstream kernels, not debian kernels |
| 15:22.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.7, prepatch: 2.6.21-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.21-rc7-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34.2, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 |
| 15:22.31 | abrotman | madriss: that's from kernel.org .. not debian.org |
| 15:22.33 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 15:22.39 | abrotman | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia-oneliner |
| 15:22.39 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia |
| 15:22.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 15:22.40 | madriss | ah ok never mind then :) |
| 15:22.41 | K|NgGh0sT | huzzah |
| 15:22.48 | abrotman | wtf did it go ? |
| 15:22.53 | K|NgGh0sT | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:22.53 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | drrrr ... |
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| 15:23.17 | abrotman | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia one-liner |
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| 15:23.37 | Dewi | abrotman: ... |
| 15:23.47 | abrotman | i can't read .. cut me some slack |
| 15:23.48 | K|NgGh0sT | What did I do to piss off the Nvidia/X Gods, honestly |
| 15:23.59 | section31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.06 | Dewi | K|NgGh0sT: tried to use their lovely windowsish cards in linux |
| 15:24.25 | K|NgGh0sT | It worked before! |
| 15:24.28 | stew | section31: the filesystem metadata takes up room |
| 15:24.32 | K|NgGh0sT | and dist-upgrade broke it |
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| 15:24.49 | madriss | i totally screwed my linux last nite tryin to dist-upgrade lol |
| 15:24.55 | K|NgGh0sT | me too |
| 15:24.59 | Dewi | section31: also ext3 reserves space for root, 5% |
| 15:25.00 | madriss | i just installed a fresh debian 4 |
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| 15:25.03 | madriss | its damn awesome |
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| 15:25.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I wish I could |
| 15:25.18 | Dewi | section31: I think I usually reduce it to like 2 or 3 percent on drives that big |
| 15:25.21 | K|NgGh0sT | I use LVM and such |
| 15:25.26 | Dewi | section31: I won't claim I'm wise though |
| 15:25.32 | madriss | oh dont know about LVM |
| 15:25.34 | Dewi | section31: but hey, the option's there |
| 15:25.42 | section31 | Dewi, not using it for an os |
| 15:25.52 | Dewi | section31: see man mkfs.ext3fs or whatever it is |
| 15:25.54 | section31 | so it must be the file system metadata |
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| 15:26.07 | Dewi | section31: ... right |
| 15:26.11 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll give a millon internets for the person that fixes my Xwindows |
| 15:26.24 | Dewi | section31: because mkfs just knows what you're intending to use the disk for without you telling it, right? |
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| 15:28.03 | ootput | any of you know of a repository that offers ledger? |
| 15:28.42 | Hotwire | Hi, if i configure a domain in bind with only 1 nameserver what will happen? |
| 15:29.00 | Hotwire | because i'm getting an unknown host error |
| 15:29.13 | Hotwire | so i suspect the problem is elsewhere |
| 15:29.19 | terraces | I tried to update my debian from etch to testing, and cannot start mysql anymore. When I start it now, I have http://pastebin.ca/446519 and if I start again: http://pastebin.ca/446529 . |
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| 15:30.09 | GutterPunk | I'd like to use debian volatile for my clamav packages. I added the repository, but the packages are kept back. What's the reason for this? |
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| 15:30.37 | abrotman | GutterPunk: did you specifically install them? |
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| 15:31.13 | Hotwire | terraces: it looks like mysql failed to unlock some of its lock files |
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| 15:31.29 | GutterPunk | abrotman, well I did a apt-get install -t volatile clamav but it has some deps that need upgrading as well |
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| 15:32.01 | GutterPunk | instead of doing this per dep, how can I pin it so it automatically gets the deps from volatile as well? |
| 15:32.25 | stew | GutterPunk: man apt_preferences |
| 15:32.27 | Joelio | hey guys, just got a new laptop and I'm having trouble getting the lcd panel in wxga in gnome. I've done a dpkg-reconfigure and checking the X log shows that it's using 1280x800 - but not in gnome or gdm - I'm on etch |
| 15:32.30 | terraces | Hotwire: it seems, but how to solve this ? |
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| 15:32.56 | fengor | !tell Joelio about laptop |
| 15:33.06 | Hotwire | terraces: i'm not 100% sure about this since i don't use mysql, but manually delete the lock files |
| 15:33.11 | terraces | Hotwire: well, and why it can't start the 1st time, see http://pastebin.ca/446519 . any idea? |
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| 15:33.27 | alleyoopster | ok I give up what is the official way of installing modules after a kernel compile cause mine aint there? |
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| 15:34.06 | stew | alleyoopster: do you mean 3rd party modules, or the modules you compiled with the kenrel? |
| 15:34.16 | alleyoopster | stew: with the kernel |
| 15:34.21 | Hotwire | terraces: sorry, i haven't a clue |
| 15:34.27 | stew | alleyoopster: they were installed when you ran dpkg -i |
| 15:34.31 | terraces | Hotwire: np, thanx |
| 15:34.46 | stew | (assuing you ran dpkg -i ../linux-image-$version_whatever.deb) |
| 15:34.46 | Joelio | fengor: I've already looked at that.. it's gnome that's the problem |
| 15:34.57 | alleyoopster | stew: that's weird, I am getting errors saying modules not found, I must have missed something |
| 15:35.17 | Joelio | ahh found it |
| 15:35.34 | stew | alleyoopster: does "dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r) | grep ko" list your modules? |
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| 15:37.09 | Bombo | hi |
| 15:37.14 | fengor | aso what was it Joelio ? |
| 15:37.17 | fengor | -a |
| 15:37.22 | alleyoopster | stew: yes |
| 15:37.36 | Bombo | is there somewhere a kernel-2.6.20 available for etch? |
| 15:37.39 | alleyoopster | stew: wait no, it is listing the old kernel |
| 15:38.05 | alleyoopster | stew: the one I am using currently |
| 15:38.35 | wintix | alleyoopster: then boot the new kernel? |
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| 15:38.54 | alleyoopster | wintix: but I can't I haven't got any modules |
| 15:39.10 | fengor | Bombo: latest stable kernel is afaik 2.6.18-something |
| 15:39.13 | alleyoopster | stew: I re did the command manually without uname and they are ther |
| 15:39.25 | Bombo | fengor: stable debian kernel |
| 15:39.37 | fengor | yes thats what i meant Bombo |
| 15:39.39 | wintix | alleyoopster: you did make the kernel using make-kpkg kernel_image (--initrd) ? |
| 15:39.48 | Dewi | Bombo: 18-4 |
| 15:39.50 | Dewi | Bombo: yes |
| 15:40.06 | Bombo | according to kernel.org the latest stable kernel is The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.20.7 2007-04-13 20:54 UTC |
| 15:40.08 | alleyoopster | wintix: I didn't use the --initrd, I did this manually afterwards, but yes apart from that |
| 15:40.27 | Dewi | Bombo: sure, but etch shipped before that |
| 15:40.34 | wintix | alleyoopster: dpkg -i the resulting .deb file will install the modules |
| 15:40.35 | fengor | Bombo: but you asked about debian ekrnels not about kernels from kernel.org |
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| 15:41.13 | wintix | alleyoopster: and maybe use --initrd if you use an initrd. |
| 15:41.17 | Dewi | Bombo: you can always build your own |
| 15:41.20 | Dewi | !kernel package |
| 15:41.20 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:41.26 | fs-a | hello, do you know of a pack of c man pages? |
| 15:41.29 | Bombo | fengor: so is there any chance to get the latest kernel.org kernel |
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| 15:41.43 | fengor | see abive dewi already answered that |
| 15:41.48 | Bombo | Dewi: ok |
| 15:41.54 | fengor | s/abive/above/ |
| 15:42.01 | Bombo | fengor: ok i'm not that fast sorrey ;) |
| 15:42.03 | alleyoopster | wintix: yep did that, but getting error could not load /lib/modules/2.6.20/modules.dep |
| 15:42.28 | alleyoopster | wintix: maybe I need to retrace my steps |
| 15:42.30 | Dewi | fengor: will Bombo need a kernel source package to use 'kernel-package' ? |
| 15:42.46 | Dewi | fengor: or can the kernel.org source be used directly? |
| 15:43.22 | fengor | Dewi: uhm i'm sorry dont know that myself atm he has tot ry i'm afraid |
| 15:43.26 | Bombo | Dewi: good question i was just about to ask that |
| 15:43.46 | GutterPunk | stew, well i read the manual, but the package is still being kept back,eventhough the priority is higher (990 vs 500) |
| 15:44.18 | wintix | alleyoopster: save your current config and try again. extract the vanilla kernel, copy your config into it, make oldconfig, make menuconfig (if needed), make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd, cd .., dpkg -i the new .deb file, adjust lilo or grub if needed. also check that you have yaird installed. |
| 15:44.28 | jelly | Hi, a lot of menu-methods of install-menu in testing are failing to handle my custom menu entries... http://pastebin.ca/446551 |
| 15:44.49 | wintix | alleyoopster: yaird will create the initrd. |
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| 15:45.28 | fengor | Bombo: if i interpret wintix answer to alleyoopster correctly vanilla kernels can be used with make-kpkg |
| 15:45.38 | alleyoopster | wintix: ok thanks, I currently have initrd configured, but is it needed |
| 15:45.44 | rahul | fengor: of course |
| 15:45.55 | rahul | fengor: but vanilla kernels these days are broken crap |
| 15:46.26 | wintix | rahul: why would you say that? |
| 15:46.27 | fengor | dunno i always sticked with the kernels i got via apt-get |
| 15:46.40 | stew | GutterPunk: have you run apt-get update since editing preferences? |
| 15:46.40 | rahul | wintix: beause it's true |
| 15:46.50 | rahul | wintix: because that's what the developers say. |
| 15:46.50 | fs-a | anyway, isn't there a package with man pages for c, like sprintf? |
| 15:46.57 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 15:46.58 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 15:47.04 | chops | fs-a: libc6-doc? |
| 15:47.07 | stew | fs-a: manpages-dev |
| 15:47.12 | rahul | not only instability, ARSEability. |
| 15:47.20 | fs-a | thx |
| 15:47.23 | GutterPunk | stew, yep. Now I removed clamav, and yet I can't reinstall it because now it does want to install the newer version |
| 15:47.36 | wintix | well. never had issues with vanilla kernels. |
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| 15:47.49 | stew | GutterPunk: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy clamav" : /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:47.49 | chops | fs-a: Yes, what he said. manpages-dev. What I said was totally wrong. |
| 15:48.06 | fs-a | chops: yeah, thx. got them, it's them. |
| 15:48.08 | Dewi | Bombo: vanilla kernel source from kernel.org can be used, if a debian source package is not available for the version you are interested in |
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| 15:48.27 | Dewi | Bombo: but as you can see, I don't know a lot about it, I've never needed the very latest kernel |
| 15:48.32 | inFw | anyone here experienced with ispconfig can explain me why it's breaking zone files when I have manually added subdomains? named won't start because there's no newline at the end of the zone files. |
| 15:49.19 | rahul | heh |
| 15:49.20 | Dewi | inFw: is it because you didn't put a newline at the end of the zone files? |
| 15:49.25 | GutterPunk | stew, apparently the reason is that libclamav2 has no newer version upped to volatile yet |
| 15:49.26 | rahul | EXAS is making me nervous |
| 15:49.52 | rahul | I don't know if it's winding up or just drifting down |
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| 15:50.20 | inFw | Dewi: I didnt' edit directly, ispconfig rewrites it when I add a new subdomain and though it keeps the manually added subdomains it does not add a newline in the end |
| 15:50.48 | Dewi | inFw: is ispconfig part of debian? |
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| 15:51.02 | Dewi | inFw: maybe it's broken |
| 15:51.04 | inFw | no, it's a hosting control panel |
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| 15:51.44 | rahul | inFw: ok, so what can we do about it? |
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| 15:51.56 | wintix | inFw: go, find their support channel? they will help you. |
| 15:51.59 | rahul | you need to go to the ispconfig people and get them to fix their stuff |
| 15:52.08 | cbeok | hello all, i've duplicated a debian install across 20 laptop computers using nettee, and on those machines I get an "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" message when using apt-get. How do I make this message dissappear, does anyone know? |
| 15:52.12 | inFw | rahul: I was hoping someone in here would have used it and maybe it was some specific debian detail |
| 15:52.19 | Dewi | inFw: the only thing I can think of that we could possibly comment on, is that you could write a perl script to periodically restore the correct format of the files. But really it sounds like a broken control panel. |
| 15:52.21 | wintix | cbeok: /topic |
| 15:52.26 | rahul | inFw: doesn't sound like anything to do with debian |
| 15:52.27 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:52.47 | inFw | ok, thanks anyway |
| 15:53.02 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program to monitor the communication between a program and the /dev/ttyS0 serial port? |
| 15:53.09 | rahul | inFw: it just doesn't interact with bind properly... and it's not a debian package, so filing a bug against debian will do nothing, heh |
| 15:53.10 | Dewi | inFw: it's pretty standard to have newlines at the end of all lines in unix-like systems. I'm not previously aware of any such requirement in BIND, but it sounds like it might be a good idea |
| 15:53.24 | chops | HardDisk_WP: Do you know about strace? It does that, sort of. |
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| 15:54.00 | HardDisk_WP | chops, the program is QEMU, that's the problem...i dont want to have the log filled up with its debug stuff... |
| 15:54.14 | inFw | Dewi: when I start named on the shell with -g it complains about it :) So I guess it's a requirement. |
| 15:54.18 | HardDisk_WP | i only want to monitor the data of the serial port |
| 15:54.22 | stew | GutterPunk: it got uploaded like an hour ago, and it will be there during the next mirror pulse which is happeing right now |
| 15:54.22 | Dewi | inFw: for example, adding a newline to the final line is the *only* change editors like 'vim' will make without you specifically asking them - it's that universal. |
| 15:54.41 | GutterPunk | stew, oh great. thanks |
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| 15:55.30 | stew | GutterPunk: (assuming you are talking about etch, dunno if he uploaded to sarge as well) |
| 15:55.43 | GutterPunk | stew, I forgot all about sarge ;) |
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| 15:56.57 | magical_trevsky | can anyone tell me what the difference between the "laptop" and the "standard system" software packages in the etch installer is? :o |
| 15:57.10 | wintix | magical_trevsky: wireless stuff? |
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| 15:57.28 | magical_trevsky | wintix, but will laptop be standard + wireless etc, or do I need both? |
| 15:58.37 | wintix | you need both, i think, magical_trevsky |
| 15:58.37 | rahul | magical_trevsky: are you using aptitude? just dig into what's in the tasks |
| 15:58.37 | magical_trevsky | ok, cool, thanks |
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| 15:58.37 | wintix | rahul: i think he is installing. |
| 15:58.42 | magical_trevsky | yeah, I'm installing |
| 15:58.43 | rahul | wintix: doesn't the installer launch aptitude? |
| 15:58.51 | rahul | or has that changed yet again? |
| 15:59.05 | wintix | rahul: hmm. never used it. i always quit it after the base install :) |
| 15:59.16 | rahul | heh |
| 15:59.18 | magical_trevsky | heh, I'll just get both and see what happens |
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| 15:59.35 | rahul | you can always install or purge packages later |
| 15:59.42 | fasta | The debian paste server is down... |
| 15:59.43 | magical_trevsky | it's not like aptitude'll install the same thing twice either |
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| 15:59.55 | wintix | fasta: it's a known bug (or a feature ;) ) |
| 15:59.55 | rahul | fire up aptitude and browse around to your heart's content |
| 16:00.04 | rahul | magical_trevsky: right, there's no harm |
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| 16:00.37 | fasta | My current problem: http://pastebin.ca/446583 |
| 16:00.38 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: standard system is pretty basic stuff. it's the only 'task' I usually install |
| 16:01.13 | fasta | A "size mismatch" |
| 16:01.16 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: laptop will be further, more specifically laptop-like stuff. If you're not sure now, just install the laptop task later on once you've looked at it |
| 16:01.24 | magical_trevsky | hmm, this is bad.. "the grub package failed to install into /target/. installing grub as a boot loader is a required step" |
| 16:01.33 | magical_trevsky | Dewi, I already chose both, but now have that fun sounding error |
| 16:01.50 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: any more information above that? |
| 16:02.25 | magical_trevsky | nah, there're no proper error messages or anything, just that and I thing asking if I want to carry on anyway |
| 16:02.25 | kalila | remind me of the command to automatically configure -I and -L in debian? <command> libnotify, for example |
| 16:02.49 | wintix | magical_trevsky: try ALT + F[1-9] there should be a debug console around |
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| 16:02.57 | magical_trevsky | wintix, ah, got it |
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| 16:03.05 | magical_trevsky | "package grub has no installation candidate" |
| 16:03.29 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: gosh. what are you installing from? |
| 16:03.29 | magical_trevsky | surely it's on the cd ÂŽÂŽ |
| 16:03.31 | EvilDin | am hi, how could i delete all /home/*/test/log.txt files by one command ? |
| 16:03.35 | magical_trevsky | Dewi, etch cd1 |
| 16:03.46 | rahul | magical_trevsky: with network access? |
| 16:03.50 | magical_trevsky | nah |
| 16:03.51 | stew | EvilDin: "rm /home/*/test/log.txt" |
| 16:03.55 | magical_trevsky | just the cd |
| 16:04.02 | rahul | magical_trevsky: oh, why don't you have network access? |
| 16:04.03 | Dewi | rahul: it would suck if cd 1 didn't include grub |
| 16:04.09 | rahul | Dewi: yes... |
| 16:04.17 | wintix | magical_trevsky: maybe a broken testing cd? |
| 16:04.27 | magical_trevsky | I'll get the link to the iso I downloaded, sec |
| 16:05.04 | magical_trevsky | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso that one |
| 16:05.25 | wintix | that one shouldn't be broken. |
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| 16:06.20 | rahul | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/4.0_r0/i386/jigdo-cd/debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.jigdo |
| 16:06.20 | magical_trevsky | if I carry on anyway, I assume my system'll be unbootable :s |
| 16:06.23 | cbeok | Using "apt-get install <package>", I encounter the message "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?". How do I remove this? |
| 16:06.25 | rahul | pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-27_i386.deb |
| 16:06.26 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: sure nothing failed earlier? |
| 16:06.35 | magical_trevsky | Dewi, it's in low memory mode if that matters |
| 16:06.47 | Dewi | cbeok: try installing/upgrading debian-archive-keyring |
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| 16:07.05 | cbeok | Dewi: thank you, I will. |
| 16:07.08 | wintix | cbeok: i already told you to read the topic. |
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| 16:07.56 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: during install apt is meant to recognise your CD as a package source and add it to /etc/apt-sources.list |
| 16:08.11 | magical_trevsky | oh dear |
| 16:08.12 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: then it needs to do something like 'apt-get update' |
| 16:08.13 | cbeok | wintix: apparently then I am an idiot, which I readly admit to being, because I did not find the answer by following that lead. however, I do thank you for your attempt at helping me. |
| 16:08.26 | magical_trevsky | I think that's the problem |
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| 16:08.26 | magical_trevsky | the low memory mode asked me which modules to load |
| 16:08.27 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: so... does your /etc/apt/sources.list have anything in? |
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| 16:08.32 | magical_trevsky | and I didn't realise I needed apt-cdrom loaded :s |
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| 16:08.37 | cain` | hey all |
| 16:08.37 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: haha :) |
| 16:08.47 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: sounds like a likely candidate. you might have to start over |
| 16:08.52 | magical_trevsky | I'll press go back and see if I can load it |
| 16:08.56 | cain` | i habe a 300gb harddrive but i can only access ~2gb |
| 16:08.59 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: or that |
| 16:09.24 | wintix | cbeok: /msg dpkg no public key or /msg dpkg etch key would have helped you |
| 16:09.25 | fengor | cain`: and? |
| 16:09.26 | cain` | is there any dynamic quota by default? |
| 16:09.28 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: after you've seen actual failures and you're past the point where it takes effect.......... well, I'd start over, but that's paranoid old me |
| 16:09.34 | fengor | cain`: no |
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| 16:09.43 | wintix | cain`: no |
| 16:09.48 | cain` | then what might be the reason? |
| 16:09.57 | fengor | cain`: the size of the partitions? |
| 16:09.59 | Dewi | cain`: how big is your parition? |
| 16:10.01 | Dewi | partition even |
| 16:10.08 | deb | exit |
| 16:10.10 | _joey_ | how do I setup anonymous ftp? |
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| 16:10.17 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to add mysql support to maildrop on debian etch? (I cant find the strings in rules file (maildrop-src) to add mysql) |
| 16:10.17 | cain` | one is 77gb and one is 200gb |
| 16:10.26 | Dewi | cain`: which one can't you access all of? |
| 16:10.31 | wintix | _joey: get an ftp server and read the man page |
| 16:10.31 | Ankman | _joey_: better don't |
| 16:10.32 | fengor | _joey_: depends on your ftp server software. consult the corresponding documentation |
| 16:10.35 | cain` | both |
| 16:10.40 | magical_trevsky | I've enabled apt-cdrom and gone back to "select and install software".. i'll see what happens :p |
| 16:10.42 | cain` | i think |
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| 16:10.45 | magical_trevsky | thanks for all your help! |
| 16:10.47 | Dewi | cain`: what's the error? |
| 16:10.52 | fengor | you think or you know? |
| 16:10.56 | cbeok | wintix: keen, I appreciate this lesson in irc parlance and etiquette. I will act with savvy in the future. many thanks. |
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| 16:11.19 | wintix | cdno problem at all. reading things actually helps, you know :) |
| 16:11.30 | wintix | err. cbeok. |
| 16:11.31 | Dewi | magical_trevsky: it's very common these days to use the net installer... I can understand why apt-cdrom is optional. Even though it might sound pretty insane :) |
| 16:11.49 | _joey | ftpd's man page is terse |
| 16:11.53 | cain` | when i try to copy files on it via samba it sayed no more disk spac available |
| 16:12.06 | cain` | but when i copy via winscp |
| 16:12.10 | cain` | it seems to work |
| 16:12.11 | wintix | cain`: maybe the disks are just full? try 'df -h' |
| 16:12.17 | fengor | _joey: then google for tutorials on anonymous ftp for that ftpd |
| 16:12.29 | Ankman | _joey_: check foogle or use a different ftp |
| 16:12.32 | Ankman | google |
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| 16:12.34 | wintix | cain`: your filesystem is likely to have reserverd blocks for root |
| 16:12.39 | ocx32 | anyone expert with heartbeat? |
| 16:12.39 | fengor | cain`: what kind of file system is on the partitions |
| 16:12.40 | fengor | ? |
| 16:12.44 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to add mysql support to maildrop on debian etch? (I cant find the strings in rules file (maildrop-src) to add mysql) |
| 16:12.45 | Ankman | anyway am gone for a while |
| 16:12.45 | wintix | s/reserverd/reserved/ |
| 16:12.48 | cain` | /dev/hdb1 77G 52M 73G 1% /home/marius/backup |
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| 16:12.48 | cain` | /dev/hdb2 199G 7.2G 181G 4% /home/marius/daten |
| 16:12.56 | cain` | ext2 |
| 16:13.11 | fengor | seems fine |
| 16:13.14 | cain` | y |
| 16:13.16 | Dewi | cain`: sounds like a problem with samba |
| 16:13.22 | fengor | probably more a problem with samba configuration |
| 16:13.28 | cain` | everything seems fine, but still it doesnt work ;) |
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| 16:13.59 | _joey | Ankman I wish there was a gui wizard to configure it |
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| 16:14.09 | fengor | yes but the problem isnt with the partition or the file system it seems |
| 16:14.13 | Dewi | cain`: is it a really massive file you're copying? |
| 16:14.19 | cain` | and i wrote a script which wrote date into a file and it stopped after 2gb too |
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| 16:14.30 | cain` | hmm no |
| 16:14.47 | Dewi | cain`: what was the error when it stopped? |
| 16:14.47 | _joey | I will configure Serv-U on MS Windows |
| 16:14.56 | wintix | cain`: i think 2gb is the samba limit? |
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| 16:15.06 | _joey | easier, quicker, more reliable and secure |
| 16:15.11 | fengor | are you using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:15.15 | Ronin | heh sure _joey |
| 16:15.20 | fasta | I wish there was a GUI tool for setting pinnings |
| 16:15.32 | cain` | Dewi: something like disk full too |
| 16:15.38 | Dewi | _joey: have you checked for more docs in /usr/share/doc ? |
| 16:15.48 | fengor | seems liek you have a 2gb max file size somehow |
| 16:16.12 | linuxden | petemc are you there? |
| 16:16.15 | Dewi | _joey: also I'm not sure if 'ftpd' is the most popular ftpd these days, I hear a lot about others |
| 16:16.23 | cain` | yes |
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| 16:16.28 | Dewi | _joey: I always liked proftpd years ago |
| 16:16.29 | _joey | what was the name of modular application written in Perl which has all sorts of modules to configure various linux applications through web interface? |
| 16:16.32 | drwahl | I just installed Lenny and tried rebooting, but grub had "Error 17" and couldnt seem to find vmlinuz |
| 16:16.37 | drwahl | is this a known issue? |
| 16:16.39 | petemc | linuxden: i am |
| 16:16.51 | Ronin | _joey: webmin, and its been removed as of etch |
| 16:16.51 | Dewi | _joey: sounds like webmin, or a commercial program |
| 16:16.56 | _joey | that's it |
| 16:16.57 | cain` | is there a way to emulate a big file in debian? |
| 16:16.59 | Dewi | _joey: webmin sucked |
| 16:17.01 | Dewi | _joey: and is dead |
| 16:17.03 | Ronin | and not needed either |
| 16:17.03 | _joey | webmin could do the trick for me |
| 16:17.04 | wintix | !webmin |
| 16:17.04 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 16:17.20 | cain` | so i can test if i can access the whole hd? |
| 16:17.24 | linuxden | pete thanks for answering, do you have by any chance access to a good dovecot tutorial using postfix and virtual mailboxes..? |
| 16:17.32 | chops | cain`: Are you copying from a windows machine to a mounted samba partition on a Linux machine? |
| 16:17.34 | madclicker | anyone using Adaptec 2100 RAID cards? |
| 16:17.37 | _joey | bah |
| 16:17.41 | jelly | cain`: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:17.49 | petemc | linuxden: i use exim, the dovecot wiki is decent tho |
| 16:17.50 | cain` | chops: yes |
| 16:17.53 | fengor | man dd cain` |
| 16:17.58 | Dewi | cain`: which machine was doing the copying? |
| 16:18.03 | Dewi | cain`: windows or linux? |
| 16:18.04 | cain` | the win machine |
| 16:18.06 | drwahl | I just installed Lenny and tried rebooting, but grub had "Error 17" and couldnt seem to find vmlinuz. is this a known issue, or did i just run into something wierd? |
| 16:18.17 | cain` | and the linux hast mounted ext2fs |
| 16:18.24 | fsteves | If did an apt-get remove apache2, rm -rf /etc/apache2, How can I reinstall apache2 (including /etc/apache2) |
| 16:18.29 | fengor | drwahl: we read you the first time |
| 16:18.32 | Dewi | cain`: sure you haven't enabled quotas somehow? |
| 16:18.33 | chops | cain`: That should definitely work... I'm almost sure I've copied >2G files to a samba share before. |
| 16:18.33 | wintix | drwahl: google for "grub error 17" or something? |
| 16:18.41 | jelly | cain`: hmm. pastebin output of df -i |
| 16:18.43 | fsteves | dpkg-reconfigure doesnt show any output |
| 16:18.45 | chops | cain`: File a bug against samba maybe? |
| 16:18.50 | K|NgGh0sT | I used dist-upgrade, and when I rebooted X starts but all I get is a black screen, Xorg.conf is http://pastebin.ca/446497 and my Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.ca/446499. I've tried commenting out Int 10, and it did noy fix anything. |
| 16:18.56 | linuxden | petemc: will look at wiki... I think you have convinced me... well aswel as courier's lack of support for pop3virtualmaildir's |
| 16:18.59 | drwahl | ok, i will google it, i just thought i would make sure there wasnt some known bug. Thanks! :) |
| 16:18.59 | cain` | /dev/hdb1 10260000 11 10259989 1% /home/marius/backup |
| 16:18.59 | cain` | /dev/hdb2 26394624 520 26394104 1% /home/marius/daten |
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| 16:19.20 | Dewi | chops / cain` : more isolation of problem should occur before filing bugs |
| 16:19.39 | cain` | y |
| 16:19.50 | wintix | K|NgGh0sT: if your kernel was upgraded, you need to recompile the nvidia module |
| 16:19.51 | cain` | i dont know if samba has a standart quota |
| 16:20.46 | Dewi | knowing for sure if it was samba or the system in general would be good |
| 16:20.46 | cain` | anyone does? |
| 16:20.46 | chops | Dewi: "Tried to copy >2G file to samba share, it didn't work" would be enough for me to file a bug, certainly. |
| 16:20.47 | Dewi | cain`: don't think it does |
| 16:20.47 | linuxden | petemc:enjoy the pint... |
| 16:20.47 | chops | Dewi: He said it worked via winscp |
| 16:20.47 | ocx32 | anyone expert with heartbeat? |
| 16:20.47 | fsteves | Anyone? |
| 16:20.47 | Dewi | chops: he also said it failed when he was spitting data into a file with a script |
| 16:20.47 | K|NgGh0sT | wintix, I redid the one-liner, didnt help |
| 16:20.47 | chops | cain`: It pukes at exactly 2G, right? |
| 16:20.47 | Dewi | chops: so I'm not clear on what works and what doesn't |
| 16:20.48 | chops | Dewi: Ah, I missed that part. |
| 16:20.48 | cain` | yes but certainly |
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| 16:20.54 | cain` | ok here is something else: |
| 16:21.04 | Dewi | chops/cain`: also samba-failing-on-big-files would only fail on "big files", not 2gb of small ones |
| 16:21.04 | chops | brb, lunch |
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| 16:21.17 | chops | ! |
| 16:21.23 | _joey | http://owen.sj.ca.us/~rk/howto/anonftp.html |
| 16:21.27 | wintix | chops: old samba might have a 2G limit |
| 16:21.27 | _joey | like this one? |
| 16:21.30 | chops | Obviously I'm not paying attention. I thought it was failing to copy a single 2G file. |
| 16:21.34 | chops | Never mind. |
| 16:21.50 | fsteves | If did an apt-get remove apache2, rm -rf /etc/apache2, How can I reinstall apache2 (including /etc/apache2) |
| 16:22.02 | _joey | I kind of not sure why he would put passwd and group under ~ftp/etc |
| 16:22.08 | cain` | when i copy files via winscp and i try to copy something on the samba share it says onle 1.4gb available, when i wait for 1gb to be copied via winscp, it still says 1,4gb |
| 16:22.12 | _joey | and executables in ~ftp/bin |
| 16:22.17 | hark | fsteves: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:22.32 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm never going to dist-upgrade again, every fscking time it break X and I cant fix it for a long time |
| 16:22.36 | wintix | cain`: ah. there's your problem. |
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| 16:23.01 | cain` | yes |
| 16:23.03 | fengor | luckily dist-upgrades arent that common ;p |
| 16:23.05 | jelly | fsteves: or, since you've already removed a good bit of it, apt-get --purge remove apache2-common apache2, then reinstall. |
| 16:23.06 | numan | i am stuck with regional language support |
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| 16:23.10 | cain` | so it seems to be samba right? |
| 16:23.13 | madclicker | hi,anyone using Adaptec 2100 RAID cards? |
| 16:23.15 | Dewi | _joey: you don't need all that; just install a package |
| 16:23.16 | wintix | cain`: you exported / or something with only 1,4G space available but having more space mounted into it like /share. windows thinks 1,4G is the limit since / reports that. |
| 16:23.45 | _joey | Dewi who knows better? The guy wrote and the tutorial or you? |
| 16:23.46 | Dewi | _joey: and the reason for all that file structure is that that howto involves a *chrooted* ftpd |
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| 16:23.55 | leOn | guys .. i'm not sure i understand what's happening here ... i'm on a centrino p4 laptop and i have cpufreqd, emifreqd, the applet, etc ... although i set the applet to use maximum performance, i keep seeing the cpu frequency going up and down ... |
| 16:23.55 | wintix | cain`: share the big partition directly and you should be all set. |
| 16:23.56 | cain` | wintix: what can i do? |
| 16:24.02 | cain` | ohh ok |
| 16:24.05 | cain` | thank you |
| 16:24.16 | wintix | np |
| 16:24.17 | leOn | any ideas on this one .. ? |
| 16:24.23 | Dewi | _joey: the package manager knows more than some guy writing a general tutorial for "some unix machine somewhere" |
| 16:24.33 | numan | abrotman: looking for help again? |
| 16:25.29 | Dewi | _joey: the popular ftpds under debian are, I think, wu-ftpd and proftpd |
| 16:25.44 | hark | leOn: does it work if you do it without the applet? |
| 16:25.54 | Ronin | Dewi: as well as vsftpd |
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| 16:26.28 | leOn | hark: a while ago i knew how to do that doing a cat to /proc , but i don't recall how anymore |
| 16:26.33 | jorgp | is there a boot floppy for etch? |
| 16:26.33 | fsteves | i guess thats no longer in dpkg with etch |
| 16:26.38 | wintix | jorgp: no |
| 16:26.50 | Ronin | fsteves: what isnt? |
| 16:26.53 | Dewi | Ronin/_joey: yeah, popcon says proftpd > vsftpd > wu-ftpd |
| 16:26.54 | freetos | does anybody know what package i need to install to get mkfs.vfat and mkfs.ntfs? |
| 16:27.01 | leOn | hark: mind telling me how to do that manually ? |
| 16:27.07 | wintix | jorgp: the 2.6 kernel is too big to fit on a floppy |
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| 16:27.18 | hark | leOn: hmm, try with cpufreq-set -g performance first |
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| 16:27.23 | Ronin | Dewi: id change that order a bit but hey whatever works :) |
| 16:27.23 | jorgp | I have someone trying to install a distro on an old powerbook 5300c w/ a floppy disk |
| 16:27.37 | wintix | freetos: dosfstools |
| 16:27.42 | Dewi | Ronin: not a fan of proftpd ? |
| 16:27.44 | wintix | freetos: you can't create ntfs with linux, i think. |
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| 16:28.02 | Ronin | more a fan of vsftpd, not that i run much ftp these days |
| 16:28.03 | jorgp | you can create ntfs with gparted I think |
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| 16:28.25 | leOn | hark: thanks |
| 16:28.28 | wintix | jorgp: well. why would you ;) |
| 16:28.41 | wintix | but thanks for the info :) |
| 16:28.50 | Dewi | freetos: you can't write ntfs under linux, so creating one is probably not useful |
| 16:29.05 | wintix | Dewi: you can write to it using ntfs-3g |
| 16:29.07 | tls | hi guysNgals |
| 16:29.23 | Dewi | * can't = nobody supports it generally yet, although experimental methods exist |
| 16:29.30 | wintix | hmk. :) |
| 16:29.36 | tls | Dovecot Vs Courier? |
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| 16:29.45 | hark | and ntfs-3g is not in etch |
| 16:29.46 | fsteves | Ronin: --force-confmiss |
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| 16:30.02 | RvGaTe | Is there a GUI available for OpenLDAP ? |
| 16:30.19 | hark | fsteves: it is... |
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| 16:30.30 | Dewi | hark: no, it's in lenny |
| 16:30.40 | fsteves | i saw the manpage ,sorry, but that didnt work |
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| 16:30.59 | hark | Dewi: i said etch :) |
| 16:31.20 | Dewi | hark: and you're wrong, it's not in etch |
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| 16:31.42 | hark | !fix Dewi |
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| 16:31.53 | Dewi | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ntfs-3g&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 16:31.53 | coldsteal | can some one give me a default sources.list |
| 16:31.54 | leOn | hark: same deal |
| 16:31.57 | _joey | okay, found the tutorial on how to install proftpd on debian |
| 16:32.01 | Dewi | hark: see url |
| 16:32.07 | Ronin | coldsteal: theres isnt one other then your install course |
| 16:32.10 | asg | coldsteal: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/* |
| 16:32.10 | hark | Dewi: see what i said ffs |
| 16:32.11 | Dewi | hark: please obtain skills |
| 16:32.13 | coldsteal | im trying to write a script |
| 16:32.14 | Ronin | !tell coldsteal about mirrors |
| 16:32.15 | coldsteal | ok |
| 16:32.23 | Dewi | hark: oh |
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| 16:32.29 | Dewi | hark: fair enough |
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| 16:32.34 | Ronin | _joey: apt-get install proftpd, there you're done |
| 16:32.38 | hark | np :) |
| 16:32.51 | Dewi | hark: I actually saw this as you disagreeing with yourself: |
| 16:32.51 | Dewi | 02:30:19 < hark> fsteves: it is... |
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| 16:33.18 | wintix | coldsteal: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib - replace testing with sarge, etch, or something. you might not want contrib or non-free. replicate the line as deb-src if you want to have sources |
| 16:33.33 | wintix | oh. was already answered. nvm. |
| 16:33.38 | coldsteal | whats the cd line look like |
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| 16:34.03 | coldsteal | ik i need to comment that out rightaway |
| 16:34.08 | Dewi | coldsteal: it's not real important after install |
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| 16:34.19 | Dewi | coldsteal: unless you really, really don't like downloading stuff |
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| 16:34.38 | coldsteal | im trying to write a script that sets up sources.list |
| 16:35.14 | Dewi | coldsteal: in my experience, once network sources exist, apt won't usually use the CD |
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| 16:35.32 | Dewi | coldsteal: maybe I'm wrong about that but... |
| 16:35.41 | coldsteal | well is it like deb-cd |
| 16:35.58 | stew | someone really just needs to fork apt-setup |
| 16:36.00 | hark | fsteves: you tried with apache2-common/apache2.2-common and not apache2 right? |
| 16:36.09 | coldsteal | idk what it looks like |
| 16:36.11 | Dewi | coldsteal: dunno, it's gone on every machine I run |
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| 16:36.21 | coldsteal | lol me to |
| 16:36.32 | Dewi | coldsteal: I don't remember removing it... but I probably did :) |
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| 16:36.42 | madclicker | hi,anyone using Adaptec 2100 RAID cards? Looking for a managment module |
| 16:36.48 | drwahl | window 5 |
| 16:37.05 | coldsteal | any of u guys have a fresh install |
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| 16:37.40 | drwahl | madclicker: im not using any raid cards, but the package 'mdadm' might be some help |
| 16:37.53 | xixor | so, even though I have used Debian for over a decade now, its naming convention still confuses me. Etch == stable now? and lenny==unstable now? |
| 16:37.55 | alleyoopste1 | coldsteal: pretty much, i have added a couple of window managers |
| 16:37.56 | wintix | madclicker: maybe raidutils |
| 16:38.13 | wintix | drwahl: mdadm is the software raid thing. don't think it has hardware raid functionality. |
| 16:38.14 | Dewi | xixor: no, lenny is testing |
| 16:38.18 | Dewi | xixor: unstable is always called sid |
| 16:38.24 | coldsteal | alleyoopste1: do u have a pretty default sources.list |
| 16:38.31 | xixor | ah |
| 16:38.38 | alleyoopste1 | coldsteal: yes |
| 16:38.39 | xixor | which character was sid in the movie? |
| 16:38.39 | madclicker | drwahl, wintix , i use hardware raid and need to be able to access the raid status |
| 16:38.46 | coldsteal | alleyoopste1: can i have it? |
| 16:38.59 | freetos | wintix, thanx, i got mkfs.vfat |
| 16:39.13 | wintix | freetos: np |
| 16:39.18 | Dewi | xixor: um... some bad kid maybe? |
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| 16:39.25 | coldsteal | lol my domain is vfat |
| 16:39.26 | alleyoopste1 | coldsteak: sure |
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| 16:39.59 | Dewi | xixor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Sid_Phillips :) |
| 16:40.18 | wintix | madclicker: i got that. i only use software raid so no experience with hardware raids. but apt-cache search adaptec comes up with raidutils. maybe they work for you. if not, try google or the adaptec website. |
| 16:40.49 | xixor | Dewi: ah, that clears things up |
| 16:40.54 | stew | xixor: he's the kid that breaks your toys |
| 16:41.21 | Dewi | madclicker: I don't think linux has a unified raid management interface yet. you'll need something specific to your hardware right the way down, I think |
| 16:41.26 | coldsteal | alleyoopste1: u can pm it to me |
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| 16:43.32 | freetos | if i install debian on a separate hardrive after i have xp installed on the primary hd, will the bootloader detect and configure grub for dual booting? |
| 16:43.33 | wintix | Dewi: raidutils - Adaptec I2O hardware RAID management utilities - they might work for him. |
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| 16:43.33 | nihil | helloes |
| 16:43.33 | Dewi | freetos: grub is the bootloader |
| 16:43.33 | Dewi | freetos: unless you mean the windows bootloader |
| 16:43.33 | nihil | i need some help with adding certain languages to locale |
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| 16:43.34 | wintix | freetos: if you install debian after windows, then yes. |
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| 16:43.34 | Dewi | freetos: I'm not sure how much the windows bootloader is capable of - normally you install windows first and then put grub on, as it is much more capable |
| 16:43.35 | wintix | freetos: if not, it's quite simple to set up in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:43.35 | nihil | doing locale -a shows me some of them but i need more there |
| 16:43.36 | nihil | as it seems that if i try to setlocale() in certain programming languages they need to be displayed by locale -a |
| 16:43.36 | nihil | as you see i did not really understand locales yet |
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| 16:43.42 | wintix | nihil: /msg dpkg locales |
| 16:43.54 | freetos | never mind, if i install windows it'll be with virtualbox |
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| 16:44.08 | Dewi | nihil: I think if you reconfigure your locales package you can select as many as you want |
| 16:44.13 | ReinH | Guys, I have a weird connectivity issue. first I couldn't connect via ethernet through my linksys router, only by connecting directly to the cabel modem, now I can't connect through the cable modem either. I've booted back into windows to try to get some help. Any resources you can point me to would be much appreciated |
| 16:44.28 | nihil | wintix, Dewi cool i'll try that |
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| 16:44.38 | sudeval | if i make one .deb of the java using sarge version, i can use in etch version ? |
| 16:44.47 | freetos | i've got 64studio on my 80 gig and debian 4.0 on my 200 gig, i'll see about running windows with virtualbox, i don't want to wipe my debian and debian based installations |
| 16:44.51 | Dewi | sudeval: etch has java packages already |
| 16:44.58 | Dewi | sudeval: you don't need to make your own |
| 16:45.06 | Dewi | sudeval: unless the one in etch is too old for your liking or something |
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| 16:46.03 | nihil | wintix: what dpkg told me did nothing |
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| 16:46.05 | wintix | ReinH: the easiest way would be to get the linksys router back up again and tell it to be a dhcp server. in linux just modify /etc/network/interfaces and try man interfaces for help |
| 16:46.14 | nihil | well i guess it did something but it didn't change anything |
| 16:46.25 | wintix | nihil: dpkg-reconfigure locales will get you some ncurses based gui to select and build locales. |
| 16:46.25 | nihil | still missing es_ES and de_DE at locale -a |
| 16:46.33 | nihil | nope it didn'T :( |
| 16:46.37 | Dewi | nihil: might you need to log out and in again? |
| 16:46.42 | Dewi | nihil: I'm just guessing |
| 16:46.42 | sudeval | Dewi: ok, because i need install j2sdk1.4 and i already have the .deb |
| 16:46.47 | nihil | odd |
| 16:46.47 | Dewi | nihil: a lot of that stuff lives in your environment |
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| 16:46.55 | nihil | did the page up, return thing and worked |
| 16:47.00 | nihil | nvm, :D |
| 16:47.01 | ReinH | wintix: yes, the router is a dhcp server, I'm connecting through it now on windows. I'll look into modifying /etc/network/interfaces but tbh I'm not sure what I'm doing. |
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| 16:47.27 | ReinH | I'll tell google to tell me all about it |
| 16:47.29 | ReinH | thanks |
| 16:47.31 | Dewi | sudeval: etch has sun-j2sdk1.5 |
| 16:47.55 | ma3x_ | hi where to specify mouse speed? |
| 16:47.56 | Dewi | sudeval: you might be able to install an older package in etch |
| 16:47.57 | nihil | wintix, Dewi thank you |
| 16:47.59 | nihil | it worked |
| 16:48.03 | wintix | ReinH: to get a dhcp lease and a temporary solution, run 'dhclient eth0' where eth0 is the interface you are using. to make that live on after the reboot you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:48.20 | Dewi | sudeval: but I don't know why you want to risk it |
| 16:48.30 | wintix | ReinH: also check /etc/resolv.conf if it has the correct dns server in it. |
| 16:48.41 | ReinH | wintix: ok, making notes |
| 16:48.53 | SeanTater | Is it possible to determine what programs are using [the most] network bandwidth? |
| 16:49.01 | ReinH | Then once I sort this out I can go back to trying to configure my wlan |
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| 16:49.18 | Dewi | SeanTater: ntop can tell you for sockets |
| 16:49.35 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to add mysql support to maildrop on debian etch? (I cant find the strings in rules file (maildrop-src) to add mysql) ???????? |
| 16:49.35 | Dewi | SeanTater: and if that doesn't clue you in on what programs are involved you can map sockets to processes using netstat |
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| 16:49.57 | wintix | ReinH: to get dhcp on eth0, use something like that: http://pastebin.ca/446691 |
| 16:49.57 | knoxy | I'm using debian etch (maildrop 2) |
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| 16:50.08 | SeanTater | Dewi: thanks |
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| 16:50.24 | sudeval | Dewi: thanks! i understand |
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| 16:51.58 | ReinH | wintix: ty |
| 16:52.30 | ReinH | wintix: alright, I'm going to do a bit more reading and then see if I can't get this working. Thanks for the help |
| 16:52.40 | wintix | np |
| 16:53.15 | chops | SeanTater: jnettop |
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| 16:53.25 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to add mysql support to maildrop on debian etch? (I cant find the strings in rules file (maildrop-src) to add mysql) ???????? |
| 16:54.05 | stew | hmm, that reminds me. i have no idea why my maildrop is still working after dist-upgrading to etch |
| 16:54.16 | wintix | heh |
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| 16:54.26 | wintix | at least it still works :) |
| 16:54.40 | stew | oh, i have my version on hold still |
| 16:55.11 | ma3x | where do I specify DPI for X? note: I use kdm |
| 16:55.19 | ma3x | the font size is too little |
| 16:55.31 | stew | knoxy: --enable-maildropmysql |
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| 16:56.08 | wintix | ma3x: /msg dpkg fonts might get you started |
| 16:56.23 | ma3x | wintix, I just need to specify the DPI |
| 16:56.33 | stew | knoxy: hmm, that is for courier-maildrop ; i dunno about maildrop |
| 16:56.35 | ReinH | ma3x: xorg.conf ? |
| 16:56.39 | knoxy | stew, I know.. but i cant find this string on rules file.. |
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| 16:56.52 | knoxy | stew, courier-maildrop have a mysql support? |
| 16:56.54 | stew | knoxy: you wouldn't find it in there until you put it in there |
| 16:57.02 | stew | knoxy: the debian packages don't |
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| 16:57.25 | stew | knoxy: the source has support but the debian maildrop packages are compiled without it |
| 16:57.26 | MrKeuner | hello debian community. I know several archs are supported in debian, but are there other kernels in debian as well? |
| 16:57.36 | xand | MrKeuner: other than what? |
| 16:57.38 | wintix | ma3x: /msg dpkg font guide maybe. never had this problem, sorry. |
| 16:57.43 | MrKeuner | xand: linux |
| 16:57.49 | andre | what leny all about |
| 16:58.12 | xand | MrKeuner: umm there's debian gnu/freebsd i think, but i dont think it's "official" |
| 16:58.12 | wintix | andre: lenny is the new testing. |
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| 16:58.26 | MrKeuner | xand: where can I see a list? |
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| 16:58.44 | xand | MrKeuner: oh, maybe it is... http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ |
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| 16:58.57 | xand | MrKeuner: http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
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| 16:59.20 | MrKeuner | xand: OK then solaris is still not there |
| 16:59.32 | andre | or you guys testing it right now |
| 16:59.33 | MrKeuner | I heard wrongly obviously that solaris would be gpl |
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| 16:59.57 | wintix | andre: can you ask a question? |
| 17:00.32 | hark | andre: /msg dpkg releases |
| 17:00.47 | xand | MrKeuner: you want nexenta maybe, http://www.gnusolaris.org/gswiki |
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| 17:00.52 | xand | it's "based on debian" I believe |
| 17:00.52 | andre | ok |
| 17:01.04 | MrKeuner | xand: I would prefer a debian distro instead |
| 17:02.01 | MrKeuner | I am looking forward to a gplv3'd solaris. I would switch form linux to it the day it is announced |
| 17:02.09 | _joey | i have installed a package and provided some initial configurations. How do I reconfigure it now? |
| 17:02.10 | knoxy | stew, I know.. maildrop 1.5.3 I can compile with mysql support.. using maildrop_1.5.3_SOURCE... but in debian etch the maildrop 2.0 haven't a strig to compile from source |
| 17:02.13 | abrotman | MrKeuner: ask #solaris ? |
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| 17:02.39 | ReinH | wintix: hey, looks like all I needed to do was powercycle the router and ifdown/ifup |
| 17:02.40 | stew | knoxy: doesn't have a what? |
| 17:02.40 | xand | or #opensolaris |
| 17:02.44 | ReinH | wintix: thanks for the help |
| 17:02.49 | wintix | ReinH: :) np. |
| 17:02.55 | _joey | dpkg-reconfigure package? |
| 17:03.09 | ReinH | wintix: now do you know anything about wireless networking? ;) |
| 17:03.28 | wintix | ReinH: what kind of wireless apapter do you have? |
| 17:03.43 | DavidProck1981 | hay i just bought a GeForce 7600GS, what all should i expect after i swap ot out with my ati card |
| 17:03.58 | ReinH | ipw3945, I've installed and configured the module (correctly I think) |
| 17:04.23 | hark | pain? |
| 17:04.23 | abrotman | X in a wee bitty window :) |
| 17:04.24 | amee2k | what can i use to read .lit ebooks? |
| 17:04.24 | wintix | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:04.24 | andre | hark, i cant do dpkg im using |
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| 17:04.26 | ReinH | hark: compared to ATI? surely you're kidding lol |
| 17:04.32 | andre | arch |
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| 17:04.49 | hark | andre: it's the bot |
| 17:04.55 | DavidProck1981 | wintix would i do the nvidia one-liner before i install the card |
| 17:05.04 | andre | ohh |
| 17:05.37 | ReinH | s/in/on |
| 17:05.45 | wintix | DavidProck1981: no. you would have to deal with it if you want to have X on the nvidia card :) |
| 17:05.52 | ReinH | not sure how I'd tap you in the shoulder. Hmm. |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | he can do it before he installs the card |
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| 17:06.10 | abrotman | ReinH: lasers! |
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| 17:06.16 | wintix | ReinH: /msg dpkg ipw3945 but if you already set up the module, you would have to install wireless-tools and see if the interface shows up in iwconfig |
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| 17:06.17 | agent | Any have network issues where the network goes up and down? I keep having to ifup/ifdown or even having to rmmod/modprobe for it go go back on. Doing this fixes the problem. I have updated dhcpd-* a few days ago, but I cannot see how that could be an issue since I do get a proper IP from the dhcp server. This happens at multiple locations (with multiple dhcp servers). |
| 17:06.35 | ReinH | wintix: wireless-tools are installed, interface doesn't show up in iwconfig |
| 17:06.35 | xand | agent: dodgy NIC? |
| 17:06.42 | abrotman | dodgy cable ? |
| 17:06.46 | ReinH | wintix: and I've already asked dpkg about it ;) |
| 17:06.53 | wintix | ReinH: what does modprobe ipw3945 tell you? |
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| 17:07.12 | ReinH | nothing. So apparently I didn't. |
| 17:07.25 | agent | xand: I have had it for two or so years and did not have this problem before. It just happened a few days ago. |
| 17:07.26 | loca|host | what's the best server side caching package you can advise me ? am using apt-cacher but it's bugging sometimes with small packages... |
| 17:07.31 | atealtha | my /etc/init.d/mysql restart command won't work. I'm guessing it's because the debian-sys-maint user is not in the system. is it safe to kill the proc and attempt to start? |
| 17:07.32 | ReinH | wintix: oh, and dpkg's ipw3945's info appears to be out of date |
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| 17:07.45 | hark | ReinH: check via iwconfig |
| 17:07.47 | agent | xand: Oh and I should say it happens on multiple interfaces (wireless and built-in NIC) |
| 17:07.57 | wintix | ReinH: if it doesn't complain about anything it should have loaded the module. try lsmod | grep ipw and look in dmesg if it detected your card |
| 17:08.22 | wintix | hark: been there, done that. |
| 17:08.50 | ReinH | wintix: lsmod lists ipw3945, ieee80211, firmware_class |
| 17:09.02 | wintix | ok. what does dmesg tell you about the ipw3945 card? |
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| 17:09.20 | ReinH | wintix: I can pastie |
| 17:09.35 | wintix | ReinH: ok. |
| 17:09.48 | wintix | use pastebin.ca or something. |
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| 17:10.03 | ReinH | of course |
| 17:10.05 | ReinH | http://pastie.caboo.se/54722 |
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| 17:10.16 | amee2k | what can i use to read .lit ebooks? |
| 17:11.03 | ReinH | amee2k: clit? |
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| 17:11.36 | ReinH | amee2k: apt-cache show clit |
| 17:11.47 | codc | do anyone knows why in etch user nobody has a valid shell - a bug? |
| 17:11.56 | wintix | ReinH: "Could not read microcode" is the problem. i'm sorry, i can't help you with that. i only have a ipw2945. google for it or maybe ask in the ipw3945 channel (if there is one) or maybe someone else here knows how to fix that. |
| 17:11.59 | ReinH | amee2k: not sure if there's a reader but clit will decompile back to HTML |
| 17:12.23 | ReinH | wintix: no problem, at least I'm making some progress (and learning in the process). I appreciate all the help |
| 17:13.16 | wintix | ok. :) |
| 17:14.38 | hark | ReinH: did you install the firmware? |
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| 17:14.58 | ReinH | hark: it's listed in lsmod |
| 17:15.27 | hark | ReinH: check in /lib/firmware/ |
| 17:15.32 | wintix | hark: doesn't seem like the 3945 still needs a firmware? |
| 17:16.06 | ReinH | hark: ok |
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| 17:16.26 | ReinH | hark: I have nothing in /lib/firmware |
| 17:16.38 | ReinH | firmware-ipw3945 pkg doesn't seem to exist |
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| 17:16.53 | wintix | ReinH: http://ipw3945.sf.net/binaries.php |
| 17:16.55 | knoxy | stew maildrop (source) of debian etch doesnt have a rules file to add support for mysql to compile |
| 17:17.06 | ReinH | just kidding |
| 17:17.09 | ReinH | it does |
| 17:17.12 | ReinH | strange |
| 17:17.14 | wintix | ReinH: i didn't know that the 3945 thing still needs something like a firmware. |
| 17:17.16 | hark | ReinH: it's in non-free |
| 17:17.38 | ReinH | hark: got it |
| 17:17.46 | hark | wintix: needs a binary daemon too... at least the ones in debian do afaik |
| 17:18.27 | ReinH | hark: grabbing that too |
| 17:18.28 | wintix | ReinH: http://pastebin.ca/446760 |
| 17:18.32 | ReinH | odd, I thought I had already grabbed both |
| 17:18.39 | ReinH | I'll try reconfiguring the module now |
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| 17:18.52 | christianp | hi * |
| 17:18.54 | anferva | !troll |
| 17:18.54 | ReinH | wintix: hahaha, I'm reading that right now |
| 17:18.54 | dpkg | methinks troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
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| 17:19.22 | stew | knoxy: sorry i'm not familiar with that package, only with courier-maildrop |
| 17:19.39 | knoxy | stew, courier-maildrop have mysql support? |
| 17:19.40 | christianp | i bought a debian server in germany, with the german system language in it. How can install italian translation of the system? |
| 17:19.41 | stew | knoxy: you might try something like "./configure --help | grep mysql" |
| 17:19.50 | wintix | ReinH: ok. didn't know if you had the INSTALL file :) |
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| 17:20.06 | wintix | ReinH: at least we now know where your problem is :) |
| 17:20.09 | ReinH | wintix: :) ty, I'm rebuilding the module from source now that I have the firmware and the daemon |
| 17:20.23 | ReinH | m-a a-i ipw3945-source |
| 17:20.31 | ReinH | -f |
| 17:20.39 | stew | knoxy: the source does, but the debian pacakge does not (last i checked). you can add it by adding --enable-maildropmysql |
| 17:20.54 | lupine_85 | christianp: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:20.57 | lupine_85 | IIRC |
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| 17:21.05 | ReinH | hark: ok, now that I have the firmware and the daemon, what's my next step? |
| 17:21.06 | chops | christianp: dpkg-reconfigure locales, enable the italian locale, set LANG appropriately |
| 17:21.08 | wintix | lupine_85: yes. |
| 17:21.15 | christianp | thanks friends |
| 17:21.43 | wintix | chops: dpkg-reconfigure locales will let you decide on the LANG variable, too. |
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| 17:21.52 | chops | wintix: Ooh, spiffy |
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| 17:21.56 | stew | knoxy: i see in the maildrop upstream changelog that they removed mysql support in favor of using courier's authlib, so maybe you just need to isntall maildrop and the courier-authlib-mysql ; but i don't know |
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| 17:22.38 | solifugus | Question: Is that channel ok for people installing/learning debian--or is this a rapid-fire rtfm channel? |
| 17:23.09 | wintix | solifugus: depends on the question :) |
| 17:23.18 | Dewi | solifugus: both :) |
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| 17:23.27 | chops | solifugus: Generally this channel is moderately friendly, if that's what you're asking :-) |
| 17:23.34 | stew | solifugus: a little of both? we're willing to help you along, but you better not be unwilling to read as well |
| 17:23.54 | solifugus | Well... debian has a reputation..... |
| 17:24.13 | wintix | solifugus: we will do our best to help you. |
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| 17:24.34 | bolt | I'm getting a bunch of errors when trying to run make-menuconfig on linux-source-2.6.18, the first one being s"cripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory" ... what gives? |
| 17:24.46 | stew | bolt: install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:24.49 | wintix | bolt: install libncur.. |
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| 17:25.42 | abrotman | hark: WAKE UP! |
| 17:25.46 | ReinH | wintix, hark: should I follow http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/INSTALL or should I use the debian packages? |
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| 17:25.49 | ReinH | abrotman: lol |
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| 17:25.59 | stew | ReinH: put the firmware in /lib/firmware , unload the kenrel module, reload it, make sure the daemon is running |
| 17:26.03 | solifugus | Ok.. I need to go do some research and install whatever ISOs are necessary.. I need to test Debian and possibly replace an aging Gentoo system with it.. I am tired of changes breaking packages and Debian has a good reputation for stability. |
| 17:26.04 | wintix | ReinH: you will be fine either way. |
| 17:26.35 | wintix | solifugus: have a look at the netinstall images for installing. |
| 17:26.51 | Dewi | solifugus: if you stick to what's supported and stable, and the debian policy way, yes it will be |
| 17:26.54 | solifugus | wintix: ok... will do.. thanks |
| 17:26.54 | ReinH | stew: ok, just tell me how to do those 4 things and I'll be on my way ;) For starters, how do I put the firmware in /lib/firmware if I used the firmware-ipw3985 package? |
| 17:27.07 | schme | solifugus: Do bear in mind that a Stable Debian system will one day be an aging Debian system. |
| 17:27.26 | abrotman | schme: every distro has that problem ... |
| 17:27.33 | schme | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 17:27.38 | Dewi | abrotman: openbsd and ubuntu "ship" every 6 months |
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| 17:27.45 | abrotman | Dewi: yay .. new borkage! |
| 17:27.48 | stew | ReinH: oh i dunno, if you are using a package it should be in the right place. modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 ; /etc/init.d/ipw<tab> restart |
| 17:27.50 | schme | I don't quite see it as a "problem" of course. (: |
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| 17:28.02 | Dewi | abrotman: that's why ship was in quotes :P |
| 17:28.14 | NiklasH_work | hi, asked this question in #cvs, but it seems kinda dead, so i'll try here: can anyone tell me an easy command for just listing the branches of a module ? tried a few cvs rlog options, but can't seem to find that one |
| 17:28.16 | solifugus | schme: I don't mind so long as aging doesn't end security patches and the system continues to work.. |
| 17:28.29 | Dewi | abrotman: actually openbsd doesn't bork... as long as you have memorised every aspect of how your system works and/or you're running default everything |
| 17:28.45 | schme | solifugus: Oh ya. Then it's a good pick. |
| 17:29.18 | schme | solifugus: and if you "need" bleeding edge there is always the slightly less stable Debian unstable. (: |
| 17:29.19 | wintix | solifugus: are you installing a desktop or server system? |
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| 17:29.47 | Dewi | schme: point to testing not unstable... in a few months at least |
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| 17:29.51 | solifugus | wintix: Just needs to run apache/php/postgresql.. with ldap, ssl, and mod_dav_svn |
| 17:30.02 | solifugus | and custom apps on that |
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| 17:30.32 | wintix | solifugus: that will be relatively simple |
| 17:30.32 | schme | Dewi: But I like unstable. >< |
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| 17:30.37 | ReinH | stew: ok, ipw3945.ucode is indeed in /lib/firmware now |
| 17:30.44 | ReinH | stew: how do I reload the kernel module? |
| 17:30.54 | stew | ReinH: oh i dunno, if you are using a package it should be in the right place. modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 ; /etc/init.d/ipw<tab> restart |
| 17:30.57 | Dewi | solifugus: if you have a network card connected to an internet connection, download the netinst, install a minimal amount to start with, and add what you need. sounds like it might suit you well |
| 17:31.00 | solifugus | wintix: oh.. and.. needs to serve light desktops with browsers to 10 thin clients. |
| 17:31.09 | jlaw | hi, does someone know a program to copy data from damaged CDs including/ignoring currupt sectors? |
| 17:31.30 | wintix | jlaw: dd? |
| 17:31.34 | ReinH | stew: oh, modprobe -r unloads it? |
| 17:31.36 | abrotman | Dewi: is that all ? |
| 17:31.38 | stew | ReinH: yes |
| 17:31.41 | ReinH | stew: ok ty |
| 17:31.50 | abrotman | schme: please don't recommend unstable to anyone ... |
| 17:31.56 | Dewi | jlaw: hmm... I know gnu ddrescue is nice for hard drives, probably good for CDs too |
| 17:32.07 | wintix | abrotman: he sort of recommended lenny |
| 17:32.10 | solifugus | Dewi: Getting it.. I will install on VM image first.. to test and get to know it.. |
| 17:32.11 | ReinH | stew: I have a wireless extension listed in iwconfig now. yay me. |
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| 17:32.19 | schme | abrotman: I have never recommended it to anyone. |
| 17:32.21 | jlaw | wintix, Dewi, thanx, i'll give it a try |
| 17:32.24 | Dewi | jlaw: one of the nifty things about it, is that you can use it with multiple different CD-ROM drives since many of them have differing abilities to read different problem areas |
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| 17:32.53 | ReinH | and dmesg|tail seems to tell me the wireless driver is working properly |
| 17:33.04 | wintix | ReinH: does it show up in iwconfig? |
| 17:33.05 | abrotman | wintix: not really |
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| 17:33.13 | ReinH | wintix: yes, at eth2 |
| 17:33.25 | wintix | ReinH: good :) |
| 17:33.36 | wintix | is your wireless encrypted, ReinH ? |
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| 17:34.07 | ReinH | wintix: yes, I've got to handle that next |
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| 17:34.39 | wintix | ReinH: wep or wpa? |
| 17:34.45 | ReinH | wintix: I'm using WPA atm but I can switch to WEP if it'd be easier |
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| 17:35.01 | jak2000 | hi all |
| 17:35.06 | wintix | it would be easier. but less secure. well. not secure at all, ReinH. |
| 17:35.27 | ReinH | heh |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | it's slightly secure .. like salted passwords :) |
| 17:35.47 | ReinH | security isn't a huge issue here, honestly |
| 17:35.50 | wintix | these days, you can crack wep in under a minute. |
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| 17:36.13 | abrotman | see .. that's why i don't use encryption .. i had to hassle with the bank a bit . but it was worth it |
| 17:36.14 | ReinH | wintix: I'll go with whichever you recommend ;) |
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| 17:37.04 | xand | I blame xingu |
| 17:37.04 | wintix | ReinH: if you want security, definitely use wpa. if you want to have every wardriver laugh at you, use wep ;) |
| 17:37.19 | abrotman | hehe .. i don't think my wifi nic supports WPA .. ah well |
| 17:37.25 | ReinH | wintix: wpa it is, any resources on configuring this box for it? |
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| 17:37.38 | xand | the theory behind WPA is that all wireless NICs should support it, given the right drivers |
| 17:37.46 | acc_ | Hi, #debian. I've currently got /etc/apt/sources.conf configured to use "etch" rather than "testing." How long should I wait to switch this over to "lenny?" Thanks. |
| 17:38.01 | abrotman | xand: and the drivers in linux may not support it .. |
| 17:38.07 | wintix | ReinH: you need to fiddle around with wpa-supplicant. didn't use it myself, yet, so can't really help you. |
| 17:38.14 | ReinH | wintix: what do you use? |
| 17:38.17 | abrotman | acc_: til things settle down .. give it a few weeks .. maybe a two months ? |
| 17:38.26 | wintix | unencrypted with vpn, ReinH |
| 17:38.27 | abrotman | xand: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Linux.Wireless.drivers.802.11b.html#Orinoco |
| 17:38.36 | ReinH | wintix: ah |
| 17:38.46 | jlaw | Dewi, I already noticed, that one of my drive hangs at 12 and the other at 197 of 201 mb :D .... I hope dd_rescue helps me with the last 4 mb -.- |
| 17:38.55 | stew | acc_: wait until there is some new version in lenny that you can't possibly live without |
| 17:38.56 | acc_ | abrotman: Okay, is any announcement to the effect made anywhere or should I just wait about 2 months and "chance it?" |
| 17:39.04 | ReinH | wintix: It's for a home router, I basically just don't want piggy-backers |
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| 17:39.12 | abrotman | acc_: it's all chance :) |
| 17:39.23 | acc_ | heh |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | acc_: if you use some major piece of software (gnome/kde/python etc ) .. might wait til after the first transition |
| 17:39.39 | jak2000 | any advice about iptables, http://rafb.net/p/5cwOOW31.html |
| 17:39.43 | StarOfDeath | Hello, does postfix-2.3.8 have the VDA patch ? |
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| 17:40.16 | wintix | ReinH: wep is quite simple to set up via iwconfig. but if you use wep, keep in mind, that every (at leas a bit interested) person can hack that in under a minute. |
| 17:40.36 | abrotman | if they're really that interested |
| 17:40.42 | xand | abrotman: wireless sucks :) |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | StarOfDeath: grab the source and look ? |
| 17:40.50 | abrotman | xand: no kidding :) |
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| 17:41.14 | ReinH | Anyone have any experience with wpa_supplicant? |
| 17:41.14 | wintix | ReinH: http://eprint.iacr.org/2007/120 |
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| 17:41.51 | ReinH | wintix: nice |
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| 17:42.45 | ReinH | wintix: so WPA-PSK is more secure? |
| 17:42.48 | StarOfDeath | abrotman: Thank you for the great idea! but I am not a C programmer. |
| 17:42.53 | wintix | ReinH: yes |
| 17:43.05 | abrotman | StarOfDeath: check the changelog |
| 17:43.08 | xand | I have no shorts |
| 17:43.15 | wintix | lol |
| 17:43.57 | ReinH | I'm going to play around with wpa_supplicant, maybe try wpa_gui |
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| 17:44.17 | wintix | ReinH: have fun :) |
| 17:44.37 | abrotman | guess i really should get a new laptop if i have no WPA support .. i mean .. that's a good reason .. right? :) |
| 17:44.44 | ReinH | wintix: I sure will |
| 17:44.50 | StarOfDeath | abrotman, I already checked the changlog, there is no information about postfix-2.3.8 and VDA. |
| 17:44.54 | ReinH | abrotman: of course! |
| 17:45.07 | ReinH | abrotman: as if a reason is necessary... |
| 17:45.08 | StarOfDeath | Who knows if postfix-2.3.8 has VDA patch? |
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| 17:45.30 | wintix | abrotman: a new wireless card would probably suffice. but hell. a now notebook :D |
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| 17:47.17 | madriss | ive tried to compile something from source but it said i have no C compiler.. so i did apt-get install gcc, that worked fine, then i tried again and now it says checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works.... no configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 17:47.17 | dmlb2000 | I thought ftp.debian.org was supposed to be the main upload site for everything? for some reason the ia64 binaries are all gone from there... |
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| 17:47.37 | dmlb2000 | madriss: check the config.log for why it failed. |
| 17:47.47 | madriss | where's that |
| 17:47.52 | dmlb2000 | pwd |
| 17:48.31 | jonlin | Does anyone know what's up with this: I've just installed Etch (from netinst) with 2.6.18-4-powerpc (replacing my old system, also etch, that was running kernel 2.6.8-3-powerpc). Since I reinstalled, I can't run X, I can get to the KDM login screen and it freezes up. I tried uninstalling KDM and replacing it with XDM, but same effect, any ideas? |
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| 17:48.36 | madriss | pwd ? |
| 17:48.38 | madclicker | is there a howto for installing and configuring raidutils? |
| 17:48.57 | dmlb2000 | madriss: present working directory, from wherever you ran the configure script from |
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| 17:49.14 | madriss | oh ok thanks |
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| 17:50.10 | madriss | can i pastebin the error to you |
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| 17:51.22 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I got the same problem as you :( |
| 17:51.40 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, whoa that sucks |
| 17:51.43 | madriss | http://pastebin.ca/446800 |
| 17:51.47 | madriss | thats from the config.log |
| 17:52.21 | dmlb2000 | madriss: try `apt-get install kernel-package` you aren't installing kernels but that should get you what you need for a working compiler |
| 17:52.25 | jlaw | this dd_rescue is infuckincredible slow ... |
| 17:52.31 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: I was hoping you would say, hey don't worry I fixed it, here's the answer |
| 17:52.36 | madriss | ok thanks |
| 17:53.08 | dmlb2000 | there's also a build-essentials package that also will pull in what you need for a working compiler |
| 17:53.23 | gpm | build-essential |
| 17:53.24 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, yeah |
| 17:53.25 | gpm | not essentials |
| 17:53.29 | madriss | thanks :) |
| 17:53.32 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, I wish I was a god like that. |
| 17:53.33 | dmlb2000 | gpm: thanks |
| 17:53.41 | gpm | np |
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| 17:55.36 | alleyoopster | spyro_boy: do you get any errors before "Waiting for root filesystem"? |
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| 17:56.43 | spyro_boy | alleyoopster, some things that say ide0-mumbo-jumbo-stuff and one that starts off with ide1 |
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| 17:56.52 | spyro_boy | they don't really look like errors though |
| 17:56.52 | dmlb2000 | heh, yeah it looks like someone did an rm -rf * of all the ia64 stuff on ftp.debian.org |
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| 17:56.53 | spyro_boy | dmlb2000, what?! |
| 17:56.53 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 17:57.13 | fasta | All of my gnome panels crashed. How can I restore them? |
| 17:57.14 | SaLoMoN | Is it possible to deactivate the update-grub script when I install a new kernel-package? |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | gnome-panel |
| 17:57.25 | dmlb2000 | spyro_boy: yeah I can't find any of it http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/{etch|sid|lenny}/binary-ia64 are all 404's |
| 17:57.30 | SaLoMoN | I don't want my menu.lst to be changed any time i install a kernel |
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| 17:57.58 | fasta_ | abrotman: no, that doesn't work (and I already tried that) |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | dmlb2000: it might not mirror those .. though it probably should .. use another mirror .. you sohuldn't be using ftp.debian.org anyways |
| 17:58.02 | cydork | SaLoMoN: check postinst_hook in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:58.06 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:58.06 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 17:58.28 | SaLoMoN | thanks cydork |
| 17:58.28 | abrotman | dmlb2000: everything except i386 and amd64 is missing .. |
| 17:58.30 | SaLoMoN | :D |
| 17:59.01 | madriss | thanks guys, gcc works now :) now it says SDL version >= 1.0.0 not found lol |
| 17:59.23 | abrotman | madriss: apt-cache -- search sdl -dev |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | have fun! |
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| 17:59.50 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: okay... I'll look but mirrors.kernel.org has the package lists but is missing the files the Packages.gz supposedly references |
| 18:00.00 | madriss | gave me a list of stuff like libsdl-console-dev and loads of others |
| 18:00.02 | EvilDin | i have script nice --1 screen -d -m -S $NAME $DAEMON $PARAMS |
| 18:00.02 | madclicker | can anyone provide some info with regards to raidutils? |
| 18:00.14 | fasta_ | abrotman: it says "I have detected another panel running, so I will exit now". |
| 18:00.16 | abrotman | dmlb2000: i avoid mirrors.kernel.org .. it seems to never sync right whenever i use it :) |
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| 18:00.24 | EvilDin | how could i add that script execute the process in screen as user nobody |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | fasta_: so actually kill them all .. and restart them ? |
| 18:00.39 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: okay... |
| 18:00.46 | gpm | i'm lucky, linux.csua.berkeley.edu is right around the corner |
| 18:00.47 | fasta_ | abrotman: yes, I was thinking of that. |
| 18:00.51 | abrotman | dmlb2000: where are you located ? |
| 18:00.55 | gpm | pretty reliable too |
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| 18:03.03 | BUMBACL0T | !debain |
| 18:03.03 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 18:03.30 | gpm | who said debain? |
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| 18:05.52 | madriss | thanks abrotman & everyone i got it compiled now lol |
| 18:05.59 | abrotman | good deal! |
| 18:06.04 | madriss | yea :p |
| 18:06.08 | madriss | well i got ./configure to work anyway |
| 18:06.12 | madriss | hopefully make goes smoother |
| 18:06.57 | madriss | lol make failed.. i think this program is crap ill try another one, at least i can use configure on things now :P |
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| 18:07.07 | gpm | haha |
| 18:07.18 | gpm | what program? |
| 18:07.20 | Dewi | I'd just like to congratulate debian on 3 painless upgrades from various vintages of sarge and testing/etch, to 4.0 |
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| 18:07.30 | Dewi | and now I'm going to bed |
| 18:07.32 | Dewi | night all |
| 18:07.38 | madriss | night :_) |
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| 18:09.31 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: thanks, mirror.anl.gov works fine for me... |
| 18:10.03 | gpm | is it kosher to use ftp.us.d.o? |
| 18:10.18 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: I just couldn't find a descent list of mirrors out there, and ftp.debian.org worked for the longest time so I kinda just kept using it ;) |
| 18:10.19 | JoshH | i do |
| 18:10.32 | jak2000 | abrotman: any advice about iptables, http://rafb.net/p/5cwOOW31.html |
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| 18:11.46 | FerchoTS | hi |
| 18:11.47 | EvilDin | hi, i have script that lunches command nice --1 screen -d -m -S $NAME $DAEMON $PARAMS , how could i make this command that the process inside the screen would be runed as user nobody? any idea? please help |
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| 18:12.05 | sly007 | Hello, what is the most popular relay only SMTP client (just for use with mutt and alike)? ssmtp, esmtp, ...? |
| 18:12.24 | alleyoopster | YIPPEE, new kernel works |
| 18:13.05 | NiklasH_work | sly007: ssmtp works fine for me :) |
| 18:13.14 | gpm | sly007: nbsmtp was popular for a while too |
| 18:13.37 | sly007 | What about esmtp? |
| 18:13.43 | alleyoopster | thanks everyone for help this afternoon, I am going to cook, hope you all like pasta :) |
| 18:13.46 | FerchoTS | I'm usign gnome, and its default window manager is metacity. I already installed enlightenment but I can't set it as the default window manager. I went to gconf-editor and set it on /schemas/desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current but it doesn't work |
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| 18:13.56 | gpm | sly007: not sure, why does it matter which is the most popular? |
| 18:14.02 | NiklasH_work | are there any real differences, anyway= |
| 18:14.06 | gpm | sly007: why not just try them out and pick one you like? |
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| 18:14.14 | FerchoTS | in fact, gnome says this option is deprecated |
| 18:14.29 | drwahl | what is the command to reinstall grub on the MBR form inside linux? |
| 18:14.35 | FerchoTS | do you know how to change default window manager on gnome? |
| 18:14.56 | gpm | FerchoTS: iirc, you have to kill metacity and run enlightenment, then save the session in addition to what you already did in gconf-editor |
| 18:15.02 | stew | drwahl: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 18:15.15 | gpm | FerchoTS: it's been a while though, i just got used to metacity |
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| 18:15.44 | abrotman | jak2000: i don't use emule |
| 18:16.00 | calamar | what should i use nowadays with etch when on sarge i use base-config? need that to after debootstrap |
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| 18:16.02 | FerchoTS | thanks. I like metacity, but it has some issues with Xinerama |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | dmlb2000: yeah .. really shouldn't use ftp.debian.org .. the gov't gets our money .. get your bandwidth!!! |
| 18:16.06 | drwahl | stew: how do i read that file? is it the man page for grub? |
| 18:16.23 | drwahl | stew: or do i need to unzip it? |
| 18:16.23 | FerchoTS | and enlightenment is ready for Xinerama mode |
| 18:16.53 | gpm | FerchoTS: sure thing, hope that trick still works |
| 18:17.09 | stew | drwahl: use zless or zmore |
| 18:17.09 | FerchoTS | thanks! :) |
| 18:17.39 | drwahl | stew: thanks |
| 18:17.50 | FerchoTS | I'll try it now. then I will be back to tell what happened :) |
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| 18:18.09 | BlueParrot | Right, my isp insists I use this shitty router that requires java to configure it , what package do I want ? |
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| 18:18.22 | rhalff | what can this mean ? Warning: Interface name is `eth0' at line 1, can't be mapped reliably. |
| 18:18.33 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: yeah I was just glad to lay my hands on a mirror list, you google for 'debian repository mirror list' and you get a lot of nothing... |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | really ? |
| 18:18.50 | rhalff | I get that during a boot with debian etch running as domU on xen |
| 18:18.55 | dmlb2000 | last time I tried yeah |
| 18:19.03 | abrotman | debian mirror ? |
| 18:19.18 | abrotman | yeah .. "debian mirror" works way better |
| 18:19.21 | wols | !mirrrors |
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| 18:19.29 | tp76 | Hi. Anyone had any success configuring a D-Link DWL-610 (using an RTL8180L chip) PCMCIA card on Debian? Linux does not support it, but there are OSS drivers in development, though none of them works for me. As a last resort, I tried ndiswrapper with various Windows binaries but to no avail. Driver loaded, hardware found, but no wlan0 *sigh* The state of wireless support on Linux is bloody embarrassing. |
| 18:19.31 | dmlb2000 | abrotman: okay thanks |
| 18:19.31 | wols | !mirrror |
| 18:19.35 | EvilDin | how could i run process inside the screen as user nobody ? |
| 18:19.38 | rhalff | hmz where does /etc/iftab come from |
| 18:19.45 | wols | is dpkg out of order again? |
| 18:19.55 | drwahl | stew: according to that article, "intended to unify bootloading across x86", but i am running an amd64x2, does that matter? |
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| 18:20.24 | abrotman | wols: you can't spell .. and we've already used that :) |
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| 18:20.54 | StarOfDeath | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:21.05 | xingu | tp76: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtl8180-sa2400 |
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| 18:21.52 | rahul | !laugh at wols |
| 18:21.52 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! wols just cracks me up! |
| 18:22.06 | tp76 | xingu: the maintainer of this project has disappeared, hence a fork. Neither of which works for me *sigh* |
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| 18:22.27 | xingu | tp76: bin it and replace it with a ipw2200 or ipw3945 |
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| 18:22.46 | tp76 | xingu: it's not mine ;-) |
| 18:23.10 | xingu | tp76: in that case - tell whoever owns it to bin it and replace it with an ipw2200 or ipw3945 |
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| 18:23.31 | xingu | !rtl8180 |
| 18:23.31 | dpkg | rtl8180 is probably do NOT buy such a card. it's evil. Yes, realtek has drivers on their webpage, but they might easily break vital parts of you filesystem! |
| 18:23.34 | xingu | word dpkg |
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| 18:26.01 | tp76 | Well, I guess I'll have to tell them their card is broken and needs to be replaced. They don't even know they're using Debian. They thought it was Windows until I told them it wasn't ;-) So, ipw* you say? I take it's well supported, then. |
| 18:26.24 | xingu | the vendor seems to be taking an interest in linux |
| 18:26.56 | xingu | the madwifi stack seems to be passably fair too |
| 18:27.27 | stew | drwahl: yes, grub will work an an amd64 |
| 18:27.30 | xingu | tp76: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
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| 18:28.34 | tp76 | Thank you. |
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| 18:35.50 | itguru | hello everyone :) |
| 18:36.06 | wols | abrotman: it's not MY fault I'm lobotomized! |
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| 18:36.57 | xingu | I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me |
| 18:36.58 | abrotman | wols: eh .. it probably is :) |
| 18:37.22 | xingu | abrotman: alchohol, late nights, and sporks don't mix |
| 18:37.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 18:39.12 | Seb | voila |
| 18:39.26 | Authority | Anyone here have experience with SPARC plus RAID/LVM or EVMS? |
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| 18:40.07 | plapointe | Seb: je t invite en chat deja? |
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| 18:40.39 | Kleber_ | hello folks, I have a problem when I try to print the contacts on gnome evolution (debian Sarge), the print cuts on blind area of printer (it doesn't respect the margins), is there any tip about that ? |
| 18:41.10 | gpm | upgrade to etch? |
| 18:41.25 | gpm | might've been fixed in a newer version |
| 18:41.41 | Kleber_ | gpm, I can't at this time |
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| 18:43.03 | dutchfish | how long will it take 2.6.20 will be migrate to lenny? |
| 18:43.39 | gpm | Kleber_: sorry, wish i had something more useful for you |
| 18:43.52 | stew | dutchfish: hard to say. probably a month or two. its waiting on a libc6 upgrade from 2.3 to 2.5, but its really too early to know how long |
| 18:43.52 | Kleber_ | gpm: thanks guy |
| 18:44.05 | gpm | Kleber_: there seem to be a fair number of printing-related bugs on the bts page...you might want to peruse those |
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| 18:44.27 | dutchfish | stew, so the 10 days cool period will be longer due to new glibc? |
| 18:44.39 | dutchfish | stew, thx for answer |
| 18:44.41 | Kleber_ | gpm: I'll try it, thanks |
| 18:45.04 | Kleber_ | any other tip guys ? |
| 18:45.05 | sepski | dutchfish, here you can check http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 |
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| 18:45.42 | stew | dutchfish: i'm just guessing that between those and the rc bugs it will be a while, but yeah what sepski said, and also the same page but for glibc |
| 18:46.03 | dutchfish | stew, i know :) but thx anyway, hard to say from this pages how long it will take because of deps to new libc6, is it doable atm to upgrade to sid from lenny? |
| 18:46.27 | FerchoTS | it worked. I changed window manager with beryl manager and then saved session |
| 18:46.36 | FerchoTS | now I can uninstall beryl again |
| 18:46.36 | gpm | FerchoTS: cool |
| 18:46.44 | stew | dutchfish: i'm not sure i understaood what you were asking there about upgrading |
| 18:46.47 | FerchoTS | thanks |
| 18:46.58 | dutchfish | stew, how broken is sif atm? |
| 18:46.58 | gpm | np |
| 18:47.09 | dutchfish | stew, sid* |
| 18:47.15 | FerchoTS | now I have solved issues with xinerama and windows opening on tv |
| 18:47.23 | FerchoTS | thanks for your help. bye :) |
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| 18:48.56 | dutchfish | stew, the other option is to compile kvm on lenny for 2.6.18 |
| 18:49.17 | stew | dutchfish: dunno, probably not good, i know at various times this week the linux-modules, locales, libc6 were all broken |
| 18:49.33 | stew | dutchfish: you can compile 2.6.20 for lenny yourself |
| 18:49.37 | dutchfish | stew, ok, thx for the warning |
| 18:49.37 | gpm | yeah, you need apt-listbugs right now :P |
| 18:49.53 | dutchfish | stew, no, with kvm i need the buggy newer libc6 |
| 18:50.20 | dutchfish | stew, that is if i use 2.6.20 |
| 18:50.37 | dutchfish | stew, 2.6.18 + kvm needs curent libc6 |
| 18:50.51 | stew | dutchfish: you'll rarely if ever see me recommend someone use sid |
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| 18:51.10 | dutchfish | stew, :) |
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| 18:51.44 | atealtha | how can I get rid of all files such as .conf and /var/lib/ associated with a package? |
| 18:51.47 | dutchfish | stew, ill better wait a few weeks then, and try to compile in lenny |
| 18:52.16 | Tallu | hmm, after a bios update i got grub running and not dying on no hardware found. however, now it dies on /dev/sda2 doesn't exist. i did put in support for the sata chipset controller etc though. :( |
| 18:52.21 | gpm | atealtha: apt-get remove --purge [package] ? |
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| 18:53.12 | Supaplex | what diagnostics can I consider for a system I suspect of flakey cardbus and harddisk bios limitations? The OEM HP manual for this aged laptop suggests a 3gb drive should work, but the 1.3gb won't complete POST. The 1GB CF card in the pcmcia sled had its filesystem so trashed, fsck didn't find any usable backup superblocks (nothing critical on this; whew!) |
| 18:53.31 | atealtha | gpm thanks |
| 18:53.32 | dutchfish | stew, btw i got xen 3.04 running in etch with 2.6.18-4-xen-pae |
| 18:53.37 | Supaplex | only the 540mb drive works ok. |
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| 18:54.11 | stew | xen is still on my todo list but never seems to get anywhere near the top |
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| 18:54.18 | Supaplex | stew: ditto =) |
| 18:54.41 | dutchfish | stew, couldnt do my stuff without it, its my favorite atm |
| 18:55.22 | dutchfish | stew, but like to testdrive kvm, its promising and tempting |
| 18:55.24 | xand | xen is an atm? |
| 18:55.42 | dutchfish | at the moment |
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| 18:56.01 | stew | i have no idea what kvm even is other than the fact that it is new in 2.6.20 |
| 18:56.05 | dutchfish | it saves me alot on my energiebills |
| 18:56.11 | drwahl | i have an nVidia 7900GS and running Lenny. should i use the drivers from nVidia's site or some other drivers? |
| 18:56.38 | KeepW_ | hi, i always get "[18/Apr/2007:15:55:00 -0300] CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized" when i try to add a network printer.. |
| 18:56.57 | chops | drwahl: Debian packages the nvidia drivers, I believe |
| 18:57.09 | chops | drwahl: If they are packaged up for Lenny, that's a better place to get them |
| 18:57.11 | valdyn | KeepW_: so you're not authorised to add a printer. |
| 18:57.29 | KeepW_ | valdyn: adding one as root |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | KeepW_: locally? |
| 18:57.45 | itguru | i've got a fresh install of debian, and i'm trying to connect remotely using a remote X session,. but it's not showing up |
| 18:57.47 | drwahl | chops: should they include 3D support? |
| 18:58.11 | chops | drwahl: Yes, I believe Debian packages the nvidia binary ones with 3d support |
| 18:58.20 | dutchfish | itguru, you properly configured xorg? |
| 18:58.22 | chops | drwahl: apt-cache search nvidia, perhaps? |
| 18:58.22 | KeepW_ | valdyn: no, its a remote (LAN) pritner, some others stations, can print there, its my cups conf i think |
| 18:58.23 | valdyn | chops: no |
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| 18:58.36 | drwahl | chops: ok, i will give it a try and respond with my outcome |
| 18:58.47 | chops | valdyn: no? I remember installing them at one point. Are they provided in a 3rd-party repository? |
| 18:58.51 | drwahl | can i edit grub from inside linux? |
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| 18:59.05 | valdyn | chops: nevermind, i misread |
| 18:59.09 | itguru | dutchfish: not sure yet :) |
| 18:59.38 | wols | drwahl: yes. /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:59.41 | dutchfish | itguru, otherwise dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 19:00.02 | KeepW_ | valdyn: any idea? |
| 19:00.24 | valdyn | KeepW_: i dont care where your printer is, i just needed to know where the cupsd is running relative to you |
| 19:00.31 | unop | Does anyone know what this smart autocomplete thingy for apt/aptitude in etch is? wanna use it on sarge too |
| 19:00.49 | Ronin | autocomplete thingy? there are no thingys :) |
| 19:01.12 | itguru | dutchfish: |
| 19:01.14 | unop | s/thingy/function/ :) (if you must) |
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| 19:01.25 | itguru | dutchfish: it never gave me the chance to configure remote access |
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| 19:01.43 | KeepW_ | valdyn: locally |
| 19:01.52 | unop | Ronin, would you happen to know what package has it? |
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| 19:02.02 | dutchfish | itguru, i thought you where connected with ssh -X ? |
| 19:02.24 | valdyn | KeepW_: that means you changed the default settings in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to restrict local users |
| 19:02.41 | Saimon | ëāäíā, ũāó íāðîä, ĸ îôôô ! |
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| 19:02.51 | Ronin | unop: no but then i didnt know it had a tab autocomplete option till you mentioned it |
| 19:03.20 | dkr | unop: bash-completion |
| 19:03.21 | unop | Ronin, see, that's the "thingy" i want :> :) |
| 19:03.35 | unop | dkr, bash-completion doesnt seem to do it on sarge |
| 19:03.56 | dkr | shrug, I don't use absh. I wrote my own context sensitive tab completion for aptitude in tcsh :) |
| 19:04.14 | junix|work | hi, i was upgrading my system today and it stopped on devscripts p[ackage, saying there was an eror processing it, any advice? |
| 19:04.43 | KeepW_ | valdyn: but im trying to add a samba printer, i just need to connect to it, but cups dont letme add a printer |
| 19:04.45 | dkr | I even set it up so I can tab complete an argument to show with the results of `apt-cache pkgnames` :) |
| 19:04.57 | KeepW_ | CUPS-Add-Modify-Printer: Unauthorized |
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| 19:05.28 | unop | dkr, well, yea, the same works in bash on etch .. extremely helpful |
| 19:05.29 | valdyn | KeepW_: sure, that IS controlled via /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 19:05.54 | madclicker | anyone using raidutils? i dont seem to get how it works |
| 19:06.01 | dkr | unop: just cut and paste the completion commands into your .bashrc on your sarge box |
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| 19:06.22 | valdyn | KeepW_: you need to access that cupsd via http://localhost:631/, if you are using something else than localhost it may not work, even it is running on the same box |
| 19:06.29 | unop | cut and paste from where tho? @ dkr |
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| 19:06.36 | hunterones2 | how do i set my eth0 to work with 100Mbits.... its running over 10Mbits |
| 19:06.42 | dkr | unop: dpkg -L bash-completion :) |
| 19:06.57 | itguru | dutchfish: i feel like an idiot :) |
| 19:07.11 | unop | dkr, maybe you didnt read me earlier -- i've got bash-completion installed on sarge :p and no go |
| 19:07.27 | dkr | unop: from your etch box ovbiously, that's where you want to copy the functionality from |
| 19:07.32 | itguru | dutchfish: I was trying to use my login manager to do it - but of course, I can use ssh -x |
| 19:07.43 | dutchfish | itguru, no one is an idiot, i had the same steap learn curve :) |
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| 19:08.01 | valdyn | unop: is there nothing commented out in /etc/bash.bashrc to enable bash completion? |
| 19:08.03 | unop | dkr, ahh, but i dont have a etch box handy -- bahh nevermind -- i'll just carry on typing my way around |
| 19:08.07 | dkr | unop: or just upgrade to etch, it *is* stable now heh ;) |
| 19:08.36 | unop | dkr, it's a production server -- i cant do that just yet (maybe in a year or two) |
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| 19:09.00 | unop | valdyn, errm, i'll have a look into that -- thanks for the pointer :) |
| 19:09.09 | stew | unop: if you "source /etc/bash_completion on sarge, you should end up with apt completion |
| 19:09.46 | unop | stew++ .. will look into that too - thanks :) |
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| 19:09.54 | dutchfish | unop, this wil help? http://www.timhardy.net/wordpress/2005/10/03/enable-tab-completion-in-debian/ |
| 19:10.04 | itguru | I got it :) Thanks dutchfish, I've been away from debian so long, I'd forgotten :) |
| 19:10.39 | Artemis3 | how to tell debian etch the bios clock is not in utc? |
| 19:10.41 | unop | dutchfish, i dunno, its what stew suggested -- will look into it in a sec :) |
| 19:10.56 | stew | Artemis3: edit /etc/default/rcS |
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| 19:11.36 | junix|work | hi, i was upgrading my system today and it stopped on devscripts p[ackage, saying there was an eror processing it, any advice? |
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| 19:11.37 | Artemis3 | stew, thanks! |
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| 19:12.15 | itguru | dutchfish: if I remember rightly, I can background something and then disconnect, right? |
| 19:12.51 | dutchfish | itguru, yes, or better use screen |
| 19:13.26 | Artemis3 | second issue, Debian Etch: When the laptop (Dell 640m) suspends, and resumes, the wireless link seems to lose its config. |
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| 19:14.28 | unop | `source /etc/bash_completion` did it :) thanks dutchfish, stew |
| 19:14.56 | drwahl | im installing nVidia 7900GS drivers (or trying to). i did 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and the closest driver i can find in that list is 'nv'. from what i understand, that is the open source version. should i be able to get 3D support with that driver? i also want to enable dual monitors |
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| 19:15.30 | Artemis3 | drwahl, there is no 3d in the open driver (yet) |
| 19:15.35 | stew | unop: you should have somehting to uncomment in ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc to that effect |
| 19:15.53 | dutchfish | drwahl, ill afriad you need ndvidia's own linux drivers then |
| 19:16.04 | drwahl | Artemis3: so if i want 3D, i need to use the drivers from nVidia's site |
| 19:16.05 | drwahl | ok |
| 19:16.07 | unop | stew, well, i didnt -- but i do now :) |
| 19:16.54 | enouf | unop: are you as root? |
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| 19:19.08 | nadim | Hi - I'm getting the following error whenever I try to compile something on etch - undefined reference to `__ctype_b' as well as - undefined reference to `__ctype_toupper' --- what libraries am I missing (this worked without issue on sarge). |
| 19:19.39 | unop | enouf, yes and no -- i can logon as root if i wished .. why ask? |
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| 19:20.44 | enouf | unop: there's also /root/.bashrc and /root/.bash_profile files |
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| 19:21.00 | dutchfish | !sudo |
| 19:21.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 19:21.02 | unop | nadim, if you are compiling a package yourself -- try apt-get builddep packagename first |
| 19:21.02 | xingu | nadim: libc6-dev ? |
| 19:21.17 | enouf | which don't work for me as expected .. but whatever |
| 19:21.35 | unop | enouf, aye, yes, every user has those files -- even root |
| 19:21.36 | xingu | nadim: or maybe libstdc++6-dev |
| 19:22.48 | nadim | unop: no, I'm not building a package - I'm trying to run an application that does a complition as part of its process... |
| 19:22.48 | unop | s/ever user has those files/every user who has used bash has those files/ |
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| 19:22.58 | nadim | xingu: already have libc6-dev installed... |
| 19:23.21 | unop | nadim, you mentioned "whenever I try to compile something on etch" |
| 19:23.44 | unop | i merely responded to that |
| 19:24.03 | xingu | nadim: how about libstdc++\*-dev |
| 19:24.07 | nadim | unop: sure - no harm done. |
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| 19:24.18 | xingu | nadim: ie, in my case - libstdc++6-4.1-dev |
| 19:24.19 | nadim | xingu: just installed that and I'm still getting those errors |
| 19:24.44 | h3sp4wn | unop: root doesn't have the bit to uncomment though (doesn't inherit them from /etc/skel like normal users) |
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| 19:25.12 | xingu | nadim: maybe try gcc -Wall ... and look to see if a symbol is undefined? |
| 19:25.56 | nadim | xingu: I just came acorss this - http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324526;msg=7 |
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| 19:26.17 | nadim | xingu: and I have no idea how (and if I really should) install a self-compiled libc |
| 19:26.19 | unop | h3sp4wn, normal users might not also have the "bit to uncomment" -- depends whether their profile was created based on /etc/skel or not -- in anycase, thats not an issue here :) |
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| 19:28.37 | dlight | can someone msg me the default /etc/crontab in etch? mine has gone missing :/ |
| 19:29.05 | xingu | nadim: does the symptom apply? are you linking against library you've not rebuilt? |
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| 19:30.29 | dutchfish | how do i create sigs (gpg ?) for me own private made debs as an installsource? |
| 19:30.41 | nadim | xingu: I'm using a third-party application - so yes -- but I'm not sure what I need to do now to move along and have it actually work. |
| 19:30.56 | xingu | nadim: rebuild the libraries you're linking to first. |
| 19:31.10 | xingu | nadim: if the libfoo.a's are pre-glib-2.3 that is. |
| 19:31.21 | nadim | xingu: the bug report notes this "fixed" - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=324526 |
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| 19:31.37 | xingu | nadim: yes; fixed with a documentation fix. :) |
| 19:32.05 | dlight | is it possible to restore a missing /etc/crontab? 'aptitude reinstall cron' doesn't do it |
| 19:32.06 | Supaplex | dutchfish: you have to have keys (man pgp;gpg), and I bet the dpkg-buildpackage man page has something to say which one you should use. |
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| 19:32.09 | nadim | is there a howto to note how to compile the latest/etch glibc ? |
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| 19:32.46 | Supaplex | nadim: why do you need your own glibc? that's a pretty serious package to tinker with. |
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| 19:32.53 | xingu | nadim: that's one solution; if you take that path your binaries won't work on other systems unless you install your out-of-tree libc first |
| 19:33.15 | xingu | nadim: sounds like a hiding to nothing to me; can't you relink the libs with glib >= 2.3? |
| 19:33.17 | nadim | argh !!! |
| 19:33.41 | nadim | xingu: xingu how do I do that ? |
| 19:33.43 | dutchfish | Supaplex, i understand that partly, i created my keys wth gpg but dont now how to satisfy apt when using my privat source related to sigs |
| 19:33.54 | xingu | nadim: recompile them. or get the vendor to |
| 19:34.21 | nadim | xingu: the vendor will laugh at me if I ask them that - and they will yell at me if I tell them that I'm using debian and not some blessed version of RH |
| 19:34.30 | Supaplex | dutchfish: so is the package signed? or does root not have the public key? |
| 19:34.39 | xingu | nadim: it'll fail on currently blessed versions of RH too I'd wager |
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| 19:34.59 | dutchfish | Supaplex, ah... does root need privat key? didnt grasp that |
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| 19:35.10 | Supaplex | nadim: I'd consider a wrapper for library path loading, or chroot install. |
| 19:35.17 | dutchfish | Supaplex, the packages are signed |
| 19:35.43 | xingu | nadim: does the vendor support sles9? |
| 19:35.50 | nadim | xingu: why didn't they introduce an environment variable akin to LD_ASSUME_KERNEL to pull that define in and out |
| 19:35.55 | dutchfish | Supaplex, sorry, but i new to this |
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| 19:35.58 | nadim | xingu: have no idea... |
| 19:36.06 | Supaplex | dutchfish: it's similar to the topic. I think you want # gpg --import-key ~you/key.pub or something. (that's my vague guess) |
| 19:36.23 | nadim | sounds like I'm screwed.... |
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| 19:36.59 | xingu | nadim: seems likely; something as ancient as glibc2.2 isn't going to be supported forever, as you've just found out |
| 19:37.01 | dutchfish | Supaplex, is there some howtos on setting up a source for apt related to signing? |
| 19:37.06 | gniretar | *sigh* its good to be in #debian after being forced to deal with Fedora, RH and CentOS for a week |
| 19:37.06 | xingu | nadim: sid now has glib2.5 just fyi. |
| 19:37.17 | gniretar | i frickin HATE RH and all its variants |
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| 19:38.15 | nadim | xingu: sles9 == SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 ? |
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| 19:38.35 | Supaplex | dutchfish: gpg --export <your keyid> | sudo apt-key add - |
| 19:38.47 | dutchfish | Supaplex, thx you are the man! |
| 19:38.49 | Supaplex | nadim: correct. |
| 19:39.11 | nadim | xingu: yeah, but it would have been nice to have a glibc2.4.broken :-) |
| 19:39.30 | Supaplex | nadim: however, their 9.x series is soon approaching unsupported. you might want 10.x (opensuse) if you're borrowing something from that. |
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| 19:40.30 | dutchfish | Supaplex, yes it works, my first own debs on my own apt-source! |
| 19:41.08 | Supaplex | dutchfish: yay!. btw, you setup your own repo? or did you just dpkg -i them? (tell us how) |
| 19:41.11 | drwahl | ok, i got the nVidia driver installed, but now i am working on dual monitors. in windows, i can maximize a program and have it only take up one monitor, but i can pull it across to the other monitor if i want. i am looking for a similar thing with the nvidia driver for linux. i am wanting "xinerama" or "twinview"? |
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| 19:41.25 | dutchfish | Supaplex, my own repository |
| 19:41.27 | ruben | Hi, wich key is mod1?? |
| 19:41.52 | dutchfish | Supaplex, if its mor emature ill put it online |
| 19:42.39 | valdyn | drwahl: twinview supports xinerama, its not an either or |
| 19:42.50 | dutchfish | Supaplex, so far nothing fancy, some xen tools and a new spammfilter |
| 19:43.00 | valdyn | drwahl: you want a window manager supporting what you are trying to do |
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| 19:43.12 | drwahl | valdyn: ok, i must have mis-understood something then... |
| 19:43.45 | valdyn | drwahl: xinerama comes _after_ you have 2 monitor support and creates a single screen spanning more than 1 monitor |
| 19:43.46 | drwahl | valdyn: i have gotten this working with KDE before, but i cannot find the walkthough that i used last time |
| 19:43.59 | Supaplex | dutchfish: cool. =) |
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| 19:44.16 | valdyn | drwahl: not having xinerama would mean that you cannot drag windows from one monitor to the other |
| 19:44.30 | drwahl | valdyn: so should http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624 get me started? |
| 19:44.31 | ma3x | what's the option called to specify the DPI for xorg/ |
| 19:44.41 | dutchfish | Supaplex, the spammfilter will take some time from now to complete, but it will be low on cycles! |
| 19:45.03 | valdyn | ma3x: you want your real dpi or some dpi value you are making up? |
| 19:45.48 | valdyn | drwahl: yea, just look what happens when you skip that xinerama step |
| 19:46.10 | drwahl | valdyn: ok, i will give it a shot |
| 19:46.15 | valdyn | drwahl: now that post is only covering the X server itself, maximizing is a window manager feature |
| 19:46.27 | nadim | Supaplex: I'm just going by what the vendor (synopsys) has on their website in terms of what they support and what they don't |
| 19:46.31 | drwahl | valdyn: understood |
| 19:47.04 | Supaplex | nadim: ahh. can you chroot install something they support? |
| 19:48.25 | ma3x | valdyn: tell me how to specify both |
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| 19:48.28 | valdyn | drwahl: you might still need to add twinview, that's how nvidia does it, i dont remember every detaul though |
| 19:48.28 | nadim | Supaplex: how do I do that - is there a howto or a website that talks about this ? |
| 19:48.48 | drwahl | valdyn: np, i think i can figure it out from here, thanks |
| 19:48.57 | nadim | I guess I'd like to see sarge's glibc around for possible access :-) |
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| 19:49.07 | Supaplex | nadim: debootstrap is the way to do it in debian. what are you trying to install? |
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| 19:49.52 | valdyn | ma3x: DisplaySize in xorg.conf for the real dpi, -dpi x as command line option to X for a fixed random value |
| 19:50.05 | lamer007 | is there a package providing kernel-source for 2.6.18.4 which comes with etch ? |
| 19:50.33 | valdyn | lamer007: etch doesnt ship that kernel |
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| 19:50.43 | valdyn | lamer007: you probably mean 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:50.57 | lamer007 | valdyn, sorry, thats what I mean |
| 19:51.11 | valdyn | lamer007: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 19:51.19 | nadim | Supaplex: if I'm just trying to "chroot" (ie. install) say sarge for its older glibc (2.3) so that I can access them while I'm in etch - is that doable ? To solve this bug #324526 |
| 19:51.26 | lamer007 | valdyn, thanks |
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| 19:52.08 | Supaplex | nadim: I'm pretty sure you can install sarge (even if it's older than stable) via debootstrap. |
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| 19:52.26 | Supaplex | !tell nadim -about chroot install |
| 19:52.30 | ma3x | is there a way to synchronize two directories? (to resume copying the data) ? |
| 19:52.35 | dutchfish | linux-tree-2.6.18-4? |
| 19:52.39 | Supaplex | ma3x: rsync |
| 19:52.41 | nadim | Supaplex: but I don't need the entire install - can one only install a certain set of libraries in that chroot ? |
| 19:52.49 | gpm | bye |
| 19:53.34 | Supaplex | nadim: you can install the base, chroot into your path, and install whatever else you need. it's about 100mb to start. |
| 19:53.34 | nadim | Supaplex: btw - the link dpkg noted (http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall) doesn't resolve |
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| 19:53.43 | nadim | Supaplex: worth a try I guess - sounds like the only game in town :-) |
| 19:53.44 | nadim | thanks |
| 19:53.52 | nadim | xingu: thanks |
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| 19:54.57 | Supaplex | nadim: what are you trying to run/install btw? |
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| 19:55.40 | nadim | Supaplex: in the chroot ? |
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| 19:56.02 | Supaplex | nadim: yes |
| 19:56.22 | nadim | Supaplex: I'm running the same tool as in that bug report - so I need those now hidden library calls available |
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| 19:58.11 | dmlb2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.16 | dmlb2000 | Bah! spaces!!! |
| 19:59.55 | Supaplex | nadim: ahhh. the workaround suggested in the bugreport sounds viable. I think I missed the head end of your questions. Were you haveing some issue building it, or did you want to know how to build it? |
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| 20:00.40 | pettern | any suggestions to the couse of a "floation point exception error" on all kde apps and opera+lastfm og a almost new debian installation? |
| 20:00.43 | nadim | Supaplex: well, I wanted a solution to the problem and the easier the way there the better |
| 20:00.57 | pettern | og=on |
| 20:01.41 | nadim | Supaplex: I'd much rather apt-get install SOMETHING that would just make it work and/or define some ENV variable but both don't seem to exist and since I want to keep my etch install sounds like chroot is the only viable option at the moment |
| 20:01.43 | rhalff | any known problems with apache2 php5 on etch ? |
| 20:02.22 | Supaplex | nadim: the chroot install would allow you to leave it in that state until the vendor solved the issue. That might be better overall. It's kind of 6's. If you build the package locally, you'll have to pin+hold it to ensure it's not upgraded w/o your knowledge. This requires your intevention on security updates. (and rebuilding the package with the workaround). |
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| 20:02.38 | hon | where is the gtk2-engine glossy? |
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| 20:03.06 | nadim | Supaplex: agreed - but since I've never done chroot, I'm a bit anxious ;-) |
| 20:03.13 | Supaplex | nadim: applications in the chroot install won't run until you chroot into there, and operate there. |
| 20:03.35 | nadim | Supaplex: but I can still point LD_LIBRARY_PATH there, right ? |
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| 20:05.05 | Supaplex | nadim: that might be one way to subvert some of the issues. If you can get the chroot release to load before /lib - it's a good chance, but you'd have to isolate it to that application. Something like a shell script to wrap it might do well. |
| 20:05.18 | Supaplex | nadim: I just haven't messed with LD_LIBRARY_PATH much at all before. |
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| 20:05.37 | nadim | Supaplex: yeah, that's what I'll do if all goes well :-) |
| 20:05.47 | nadim | again thanks all for the help... |
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| 20:06.16 | ma3x | what do I need to install to enable 3d acceleration for ATI card? |
| 20:06.19 | nightwatch | hi there, how can I set up apt-build.conf for core 2 duo processors???? |
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| 20:06.25 | nightwatch | it is not in the list |
| 20:06.57 | Supaplex | nadim: np. I'd like to know if LD_LIBRARY_PATH has higher priority than /etc/ld.so.conf =) |
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| 20:08.04 | ubd | hello i need to make a net install that is booted from hdd, can someone help me with this? |
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| 20:08.50 | nadim | Supaplex: I can also augment /etc/ld.so.conf with the chroot path, no ? :-) |
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| 20:10.00 | Supaplex | nadim: yes, but that affects all applications. |
| 20:10.01 | Xgates | [ ] Allocate 3rd-level pagetables from highmem -- is this good with only 1gb mem? |
| 20:10.03 | h3sp4wn | RPATH is also relevant |
| 20:10.08 | nadim | Supaplex: true... |
| 20:10.31 | h3sp4wn | (as that has a higher priority than LD_LIBRARY_PATH if the binaries are using it) |
| 20:11.19 | ma3x | how to enable 3d acceleration on ATI ? |
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| 20:11.32 | Supaplex | h3sp4wn: ahh. so RPATH, /etc/ld.so.cache and then LD_LIBRARY_PATH is the order? |
| 20:11.51 | Supaplex | ma3x: for what? |
| 20:12.07 | ma3x | Supaplex, 3d acceleration for ATI card? what do you mean for what? |
| 20:12.17 | h3sp4wn | RPATH - LD_LIBRARY_PATH - ld.so - /lib and /usr/lib |
| 20:12.19 | Supaplex | ma3x: berryl? |
| 20:12.33 | ma3x | Supaplex, what's berryl? window manager? no, for kde |
| 20:13.03 | Supaplex | ma3x: ok. what's wrong with the drivers xorg is using already? |
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| 20:13.37 | cureless | join #debian-offtopic |
| 20:13.43 | cureless | whoops :-) |
| 20:13.47 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: maybe the /lib and /usr/lib is in the wrong order (but its not been relevent for me) |
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| 20:14.15 | ma3x | Supaplex, no acceleration enabled |
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| 20:18.00 | pettern | after messing around with a floating exception bug for a few houres now i finally found the reason for the bug. It was the fglrx driver. Im using the ATI driver now but that one does not play nice with games that use opengl. Any suggestions to how i can fix fglrx? |
| 20:18.43 | sshock | Anyone here can help with bash script? |
| 20:18.56 | Supaplex | sshock: #bash |
| 20:19.01 | sshock | k, thx |
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| 20:20.28 | BUMBACL0T | how do you pronounce etch? is it like sketch? or itch |
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| 20:21.28 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: like etch-a-sketch |
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| 20:23.30 | dkr | BUMBACL0T: where are you from? |
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| 20:24.34 | ma3x | hey |
| 20:24.45 | DCTalk | hello |
| 20:24.47 | ma3x | do I need the ati or radeon driver for the following card? "ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]" |
| 20:25.09 | DCTalk | I'd try the radeon first |
| 20:25.18 | stew | ma3x: either, when the ati driver detects a radeon, it automtacially loads the radeon drier |
| 20:25.41 | stew | ma3x: (radeon is the one that actually supports the card) |
| 20:25.51 | ma3x | stew, I just fresh installed the system and direct rendering is not enabled. why ? |
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| 20:26.11 | DCTalk | I have a Promise SATA 300TX2+ controller, and the installer will not recognize the drives |
| 20:26.12 | stew | ma3x: i dunno |
| 20:26.14 | ma3x | stew, should I try the fglrx one-liner ? |
| 20:26.25 | ma3x | or is that just for unstable and testing ? |
| 20:26.29 | stew | ma3x: there is no need to, radeon supports direct rendering on that card |
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| 20:26.39 | DCTalk | well, debian/ubuntu (I tried both) but FC likes it |
| 20:26.41 | stew | DCTalk: which installer are you using? |
| 20:26.42 | ma3x | stew, so how do I enable it? |
| 20:26.57 | DCTalk | trying to install from the netinstall 4.0 cd |
| 20:27.06 | stew | ma3x: i dunno, i don't mess with that stuff |
| 20:27.15 | ma3x | okay stew |
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| 20:27.24 | stew | ma3x: is the "radeon" kernel module loaded? |
| 20:27.30 | ubd | hello-- i am going to make a hd install- i configured grub- ill mount the net install cd after the boot. question is: can i use any partition for iso? can i format the active partition? |
| 20:27.31 | DCTalk | it will get to the "detect disk" page, say it can't find the drive, I select sata_promise, hit enter, it sits for 10 seconds, then back to that screen |
| 20:27.42 | ma3x | radeon 116384 1 |
| 20:27.42 | ma3x | drm 87080 2 radeon |
| 20:27.46 | ma3x | stew, ^^ |
| 20:28.06 | ma3x | stew, maybe something's wrong with xorg.conf? |
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| 20:29.19 | ubd | any ideas? |
| 20:29.20 | stew | ma3x: what does "grep dri /etc/X11/xorg.conf" return? |
| 20:29.38 | ma3x | stew, Load "dri" |
| 20:29.52 | stew | ma3x: this is etch? or what? |
| 20:29.56 | DCTalk | checking dmesg shows only one thing that looks out of place, Intel ISA PCIC probe: not found. |
| 20:30.10 | \amethyst | ma3x: could you post your X logs? |
| 20:30.18 | ma3x | stew, yes |
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| 20:30.34 | ma3x | \amethyst, hold on a sec |
| 20:30.42 | stew | good someone else help him. i barely know what direct redering is |
| 20:30.44 | stew | :) |
| 20:31.42 | pettern | ma3x: if you install the fglrx driver remember to check with ati driver if you get "floating point exception" error later. i have just been messing around with that for a long time |
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| 20:32.00 | stew | ma3x: don't install the fglrx driver |
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| 20:32.10 | DCTalk | stew, any idea what I might be missing (could this maybe be a conflict with the fact my system, an older IBM, has two built in scsi controllers, as well as an IDE channel, and this promise card I'm using for my sata drive?) |
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| 20:33.00 | drwahl | i am trying to get skype running, but no luck thus far. i am on lenny_amd64. from what i understand skype has not been released in a 64bit version. is there a way to run the 32bit version? |
| 20:33.12 | stew | DCTalk: no idea. is the kernel module for the card loaded? is it not detecting any drives? or just not detecting some array you created in the fakeraid bios? |
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| 20:33.43 | DCTalk | no fake raid in use, and I think the kernel module is loaded, it shows under lsmod |
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| 20:34.06 | \amethyst | drwahl: debian amd64 doesn't have 32-bit versions of all the libraries it needs |
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| 20:34.20 | \amethyst | drwahl: if they provide a "static" or "statically-linked" version, you can try that |
| 20:34.24 | stew | DCTalk: anything interesting show up in dmesg when you remove and readd the module? |
| 20:34.24 | Cyorxamp | I'm trying to pick a web based control panel... I'm down to a choice between WebMin, SysCP, AlternC, and GPLHost DTC........ does anyone have anything good/bad to say about them? |
| 20:34.29 | DCTalk | lsmod|grep -i promise shows "sata_promise" |
| 20:34.32 | DCTalk | nope, nothing |
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| 20:34.40 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/447080 |
| 20:34.46 | stew | Cyorxamp: a lot of people will have bad things to say about webmin |
| 20:34.47 | DCTalk | other then that error about intel ISA pcic probe not being found |
| 20:34.48 | ma3x | \amethyst, check that |
| 20:34.50 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:35.05 | \amethyst | drwahl: you might need the ia32-libs package even with the statically linked binaries |
| 20:35.06 | xixor | sup dawg |
| 20:35.09 | stew | DCTalk: i doubt you have an ISA bus on a machine with a sata controller |
| 20:35.22 | bbelt16ag | every time i run an app my Xwindows cpu % increases alot and my app % of cpu use increase alot too |
| 20:35.32 | DCTalk | agreed |
| 20:35.32 | bbelt16ag | like 30% for amarok |
| 20:35.48 | Cyorxamp | stew: so good things to say of the others? |
| 20:35.49 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 20:35.50 | \amethyst | ma3x: and xdriinfo says direct rendering is disabled? |
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| 20:35.54 | bbelt16ag | firefox is the biggest culprit i max out at like 100 % |
| 20:36.00 | DCTalk | but the ISA bus has two scsi controllers on it (which I can't disable) so I was wondering if that'd be a potentional conflict with the sata |
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| 20:36.11 | ma3x | \amethyst, it says Screen 0: r300 |
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| 20:36.22 | xdr | \amethyst: pls dont use xdr ;) |
| 20:36.32 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: how powerful is your box? Most people would prefer a faster startup that maximizes cpu usage, rather than letter thier cpu rest and waiting longer for FF to start |
| 20:36.33 | ma3x | \amethyst, glxinfo says direct rendering: no |
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| 20:37.03 | \amethyst | ma3x: do you have /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so ? |
| 20:37.13 | bbelt16ag | this ia like a 2.3 ghz |
| 20:37.15 | ma3x | \amethyst, no |
| 20:37.21 | \amethyst | ma3x: install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 20:37.37 | bbelt16ag | could it be because i have the generaic x windows (free) drivers being used. instead of the compiled ones |
| 20:37.55 | bbelt16ag | 2.4 ghz |
| 20:38.13 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: I assure you, you are using compiled drivers ;-) |
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| 20:38.35 | bbelt16ag | well i know they are compiled but not the best ones to be using.. |
| 20:38.49 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: does FF start pretty quickly? |
| 20:38.52 | ma3x | \amethyst, why it doesnt come automatically with the xserver-xorg? |
| 20:38.54 | bbelt16ag | yes. |
| 20:39.03 | lamer007 | anybody could help with nvidia ? screen goes black after installing nvidia-glx and modules for 2.6.18-4-686, everything stops responding, keyboard , even sshd. Its GO 7400 |
| 20:39.08 | bbelt16ag | i am using alot of gui. |
| 20:39.10 | \amethyst | ma3x: if you had installed the xorg metapackage instead you would have it |
| 20:39.13 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: so, what exactly is the problem? You would rather conserve CPU cycles, and have it start slower? |
| 20:39.27 | bbelt16ag | well, |
| 20:39.33 | bbelt16ag | it feels sluggish |
| 20:39.35 | nadim | lamer007: use an older version of nvidia release |
| 20:39.44 | bbelt16ag | it works fine though.. |
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| 20:43.11 | ma3x | \amethyst, what means the meta package? |
| 20:43.12 | nadim | lamer007: I expieranced the same thing with 9755 but 7184 worked fine for me |
| 20:43.12 | drwahl | how do i test to see if 3d support is working? |
| 20:43.12 | \amethyst | ma3x: a metapackage is a package that doesn't contain any files itself, but depends on a bunch of other packages |
| 20:43.12 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: you could reduce some of your eye candy. I don't know if it makes a difference, but are you using a lot of FF extensions? Are you simultaneously opening 5 pages on startup that load multiple plugins? |
| 20:43.13 | ma3x | anyway I like this theme XLiquid but what package does contain it? |
| 20:43.13 | lamer007 | nadim, how to use the older package ? sorry Im new into debian from diff distro |
| 20:43.13 | lamer007 | nadim, or you talk about driver from nvidia site ? |
| 20:43.13 | bbelt16ag | i dont think i am using any extensions |
| 20:43.14 | ma3x | \amethyst, and whats the meta package name? |
| 20:43.14 | \amethyst | ma3x: xorg |
| 20:43.14 | ma3x | oh ok |
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| 20:43.15 | ma3x | \amethyst, good advice thanks |
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| 20:43.16 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: is the problem that the computer seems to run slower, in general, when doing other tasks, after FF has been started? |
| 20:43.16 | nadim | lamer007: ah - I take you are using hte pre-packaged thing from a debian repository - I downloaded the .run files directly from nvidia |
| 20:43.17 | drwahl | how do i test to see if 3d support is working? |
| 20:43.18 | ryx | Apparently I need to use the git-libata-promise-sata-pata.patch on my kernel to get PATA to work on my software-raid-card. What's the way to do that on debian without screwing everything up? |
| 20:43.19 | Vasistha | nadim: we don't usually give that advice in this channel |
| 20:43.20 | lamer007 | nadim, yee, I tried to use the packages for repository |
| 20:43.20 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 20:43.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 20:43.20 | bbelt16ag | well it just crashed.. |
| 20:43.21 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: FF? |
| 20:43.21 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 20:43.21 | nadim | lamer007: download the .run files from nvidia - put them say in /usr/src, make sure you have gdm and X killed and run the script |
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| 20:43.21 | bbelt16ag | it didnt |
| 20:43.21 | nadim | Vasistha: well, its to get a fellow debian'er going :-) |
| 20:43.22 | Cyorxamp | Shouldn't this channel state it is not the official one? |
| 20:43.22 | Thms_ | !etch->lenny |
| 20:43.22 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 20:43.22 | bbelt16ag | well it maxes out my cpu when ever i run it |
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| 20:43.24 | bbelt16ag | i have no page open except default |
| 20:43.24 | lamer007 | nadim: but I need to have kernel source configured for that, right ? |
| 20:43.24 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: for how long? |
| 20:43.24 | bbelt16ag | let me look at top |
| 20:43.26 | bbelt16ag | as long as i have it open |
| 20:43.55 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: Do you have any extensions installed? |
| 20:43.57 | nadim | btw - whatever happened to sid ? wasn't unstable called sid - shouldn't that have moved down the food-chain somehow ? |
| 20:44.11 | \amethyst | nadim: sid is always unstable |
| 20:44.13 | cureless | nadim: sid is always sid |
| 20:44.30 | nadim | ah... so lenny is the new testing then - sorry my bad... |
| 20:44.38 | Vasistha | nadim: thing is, nvidia's .run drivers have been known to break systems ;-) |
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| 20:44.57 | bbelt16ag | no extensions |
| 20:45.13 | bbelt16ag | let me get done with amarok then i try to figure out if its still doing it.. |
| 20:45.58 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: Wait, was it Firefox or Amarok that makes CPU shoot to 100%? |
| 20:47.14 | drwahl | when i try "glxinfo" i get command not found. what package do i need? |
| 20:47.22 | bbelt16ag | ii can understand amarok doing it but firefox is another story i need to turn off amarok once its done updating hte databse |
| 20:47.26 | \amethyst | drwahl: mesa-utils |
| 20:47.40 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: you know what else -- you could open a process tree and see if it's forking |
| 20:47.53 | drwahl | \amethyst: thank you |
| 20:48.32 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: do you have plenty of ram? |
| 20:48.47 | bbelt16ag | the pc is seriously slow |
| 20:49.04 | bbelt16ag | i try to go to netvibes. and it just slows toa crawl switching to top -c |
| 20:49.23 | Vasistha | ... |
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| 20:50.07 | bbelt16ag | 516880k of ram |
| 20:50.15 | bbelt16ag | it X doing it |
| 20:50.17 | bbelt16ag | its |
| 20:50.22 | jetscreamer | you only need 640, take some out |
| 20:50.25 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.36 | bbelt16ag | haha jet |
| 20:50.41 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: what kind of video card? |
| 20:50.45 | bbelt16ag | nvidia |
| 20:50.46 | Vasistha | !beer jetscreamer |
| 20:50.51 | minerale | what does chmod g+s /bin/some/file do? -- sets the sticky bit meaning that anyone running that file will run it as that group ? |
| 20:51.06 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: I mean, is it one of the cards that use system RAM ? |
| 20:51.07 | Vasistha | minerale: I believe that is correct |
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| 20:51.34 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: what comes to mind is -- if you say your system is really crawling, I think "swap |
| 20:51.45 | bbelt16ag | i believe it has its own ram |
| 20:51.45 | DCTalk | how can I verify that the debian installer is correctly loading the sata_promise module needed for my sata controller (it fails to find my drive to install to) |
| 20:51.50 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:51.51 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: What do the mem and swap lines say, and how much RES and VIRT are X using? |
| 20:51.53 | jetscreamer | gf3 is 96xx |
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| 20:51.55 | bbelt16ag | let me check how much ram in swap |
| 20:51.58 | jetscreamer | not supported in 9755 |
| 20:51.58 | bbelt16ag | er memory |
| 20:52.04 | stew | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
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| 20:52.56 | bbelt16ag | i got like 253 mb of swap |
| 20:52.59 | bbelt16ag | do i need nore? |
| 20:53.23 | jetscreamer | bbelt16ag: make a swapfile and check if it's better |
| 20:53.31 | jetscreamer | note the word file |
| 20:53.35 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: did you follow stew's instruction? start vmstat 3 in a terminal, and then start FF and go about your business |
| 20:53.40 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: How much is being used, and what does vmstat? |
| 20:53.53 | \amethyst | s/\?/ say?/ |
| 20:54.05 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:54.13 | bbelt16ag | pasting in the two lines dont freak |
| 20:54.15 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.15 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.25 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: let it keep running, don't paste it all in here |
| 20:54.33 | bbelt16ag | i think i got more the 200 mb more lik 3 gig that what conky says |
| 20:54.52 | stew | bbelt16ag: that first line of output is the average since the system boot, so ignore that one |
| 20:54.58 | \amethyst | looks like swap has barely been touched |
| 20:55.03 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: you can watch the 'so' column in the ---swap--- area, it's near the middle. Start FF, and see if you experience the slowdown, and check that vmstat |
| 20:55.19 | bbelt16ag | how do i start it in the continous mode like top -c? |
| 20:55.24 | madclicker | anyone using raidutils? i dont seem to get how it works |
| 20:55.28 | bbelt16ag | it just printes out two lines and exits |
| 20:55.31 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: vmstat 3 |
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| 20:55.38 | stew | bbelt16ag: vmstat 1 <-every 1 seconds, (or 3 is every 3 seconds) |
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| 20:55.44 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:56.10 | giod | join /ubuntu |
| 20:56.11 | stew | bbelt16ag: if you see non-zero in the si or so lines its an indication that swap is happening or happened |
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| 20:56.36 | DCTalk | stew, I tailed /var/log/syslog and it has "hw-detect: missing modules 'ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, and ide-floppy" |
| 20:56.36 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: also watch the us and sy columns under cpu |
| 20:56.47 | DCTalk | could that be my problem, and if so, how do I resolve it? |
| 20:56.48 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: See whether the high CPU usage is user or system |
| 20:57.07 | stew | DCTalk: i don't think so, since this is sata, not ide. |
| 20:57.39 | DCTalk | alright, in that case, what do you recommend I check to help narrow down the problem? |
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| 20:58.41 | bbelt16ag | user |
| 20:58.46 | Supaplex | how do I enable my second video card to run with xorg? |
| 20:58.55 | bbelt16ag | i wen from 7000 to 2000 |
| 20:59.12 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: i? |
| 20:59.17 | drwahl | lol |
| 20:59.22 | drwahl | his "t" isnt working |
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| 20:59.46 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: which column are you talking about? |
| 20:59.48 | stew | DCTalk: are you sure sata_promise is the correct module? can you remove it and re-add it and see if anything interesting shows up at the end of dmesg? |
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| 21:00.16 | deeperror | does the netinst no longer work for sarge3.1 after the etch4.0 release? |
| 21:00.41 | Vasistha | deeperror: well, you'll have to make some special effort to change the repos |
| 21:00.43 | \amethyst | deeperror: you might have to edit the sources by hand to say "sarge" rather than "stable" ? |
| 21:00.44 | DCTalk | how would I go about removing and re-adding it? (sorry, realtive noob here) |
| 21:00.54 | bbelt16ag | hang on th amount of swap being used |
| 21:01.07 | stew | DCTalk: modprbe -r sata_promise ; modprobe sata_promise ; dmesg | tail |
| 21:01.11 | deeperror | ahh |
| 21:01.14 | DCTalk | alright, ty |
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| 21:01.14 | bbelt16ag | memory free column |
| 21:01.18 | stew | DCTalk: do you happen to have a listing from "lspci -n" from that machine you could pastebin? |
| 21:01.24 | Vasistha | bbelt16ag: is *some* swap being used? in the swap so column? |
| 21:01.32 | stew | bbelt16ag: what is in the 'cache' column? |
| 21:01.35 | deeperror | yea i put my sarge3.1 disk in and installed and ended up with 4.0 2.6kernel |
| 21:01.50 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: what does the swpd column look like? |
| 21:01.50 | bbelt16ag | cache is 238360 |
| 21:02.08 | DCTalk | it shows sata link down, but list both controllers |
| 21:02.17 | stew | bbelt16ag: then you have lots of free memory |
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| 21:02.31 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: I really doubt it has anything to do with swap at this point |
| 21:02.45 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.45 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.45 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.04 | mustmr | where can i find the murrine gtk engine package? |
| 21:03.06 | stew | bbelt16ag: so something in userspace is using your cpu |
| 21:03.07 | DCTalk | lists them as ata3 and ata4, and scsi4 as sata_promise and scsi5 as sata_promise |
| 21:03.21 | melodos | hi! i got a small prompt on my etch installation saying that user swap space or something like that was too small , any sense? |
| 21:03.22 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: so let me confirm that I understand correctly |
| 21:03.26 | stew | DCTalk: and does "fdisk -l" list drives? |
| 21:03.48 | DCTalk | nothing |
| 21:04.05 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:04.12 | bbelt16ag | yes its called firefox, |
| 21:04.13 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: when neither firefox nor amarok are running, your CPU load is normal. When you start either of those, the CPU usage of the X process jumps to near 100% |
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| 21:04.31 | Vasistha | deeperror: what you might have to do is disconnect the network cable when you do the sarge install, so it *can't* look for the repos -- because it will get the wrong packages by default. The net install CD can install a base system though, and once that's done, you've got a bootable, working debian system. Then edit your sources.list and install your packages. There may be an easier way, but ... that's how I would do it ;-) |
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| 21:04.50 | DCTalk | well, I have ata (3/4) SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x......... ctl 0x....... bmdma 0x0 irq 177 |
| 21:04.50 | DCTalk | scsi(4/5) sata_promise |
| 21:04.51 | DCTalk | ata(3/4) SATA link down (SStatus 0 Scontrol 300) |
| 21:04.56 | DCTalk | at the end of dmesg |
| 21:04.58 | bbelt16ag | well the process of firefox jumps |
| 21:05.11 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: And stays high until you close it? |
| 21:05.21 | bbelt16ag | X goes to 100 % when it boots but after its just the firefox process |
| 21:05.22 | bbelt16ag | yes |
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| 21:05.55 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: does your default homepage have flash or java on it? |
| 21:05.59 | bbelt16ag | nope |
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| 21:06.03 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.17 | DCTalk | would I be right in reading that as it thinks there is no drive there, and has the port off as a result (hot-swap perhaps?) |
| 21:06.23 | ma3x | when I have a gtk theme .tar.gz how do I install it? |
| 21:06.27 | \amethyst | bbelt16ag: does minimizing the window change the CPU usage? |
| 21:06.28 | ma3x | should i place it in some directory/ |
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| 21:07.00 | DCTalk | (if so, this might explain not just my problem, but everyone else who has this issue with debian-based distros, I found at least 30 different posts about this) |
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| 21:07.49 | Vasistha | interesting. I have 333 MHz and 192 MB ram; when I start FF, it's a little intense, but once it's started (and I have my home page set to blank) most of my cpu drops back to idle -- within 30 seconds, probably |
| 21:08.02 | analfabeta | hi, i'm doing a debian virtual package, but i want put some .conf files, but dont know how i do that... anyone can help me? |
| 21:08.21 | m0rbid | Vasistha: try SkipStone, or similar |
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| 21:08.29 | m0rbid | very functional browser, and very light. |
| 21:08.43 | Vasistha | m0rbid: I'm an opera fan ;-) but thanks, I'll check it out anyway |
| 21:08.47 | indigoblu | i install a debian-etch system with a cdrom drive in it, now when I try to boot without the ide device, it complains it cant find my lvm volume and waits for root fs...any idea? |
| 21:08.54 | m0rbid | Skipstone is a geck o browser. |
| 21:09.04 | m0rbid | specially for smaller cpu boxen. |
| 21:09.17 | Vasistha | indigoblu: you set up a /boot partition, right? |
| 21:09.20 | streuner | piece of crap |
| 21:09.20 | m0rbid | analfabeta: conf's for?? |
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| 21:09.29 | m0rbid | streuner: ? |
| 21:09.34 | streuner | no https |
| 21:09.44 | indigoblu | Vasistha, right, it just never activates and boots the vg unless my cdrom is plugged in |
| 21:09.47 | m0rbid | ahhh |
| 21:09.48 | analfabeta | m0rbid: smb.conf, ldap.conf, nsswitch.conf etc... |
| 21:10.02 | m0rbid | smb.conf goes into /etc/samba |
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| 21:10.16 | Vasistha | indigoblu: well, why don't you go ahead and boot with the CD, and we'll examine your system and see if we can figure out the problem |
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| 21:10.35 | indigoblu | Vasistha, sure what you want to know |
| 21:10.58 | analfabeta | m0rbid: yes, but i dont know how i put that in my virtual package |
| 21:11.12 | Insolit | hi all |
| 21:11.15 | m0rbid | aye, virtual isnt my thing. |
| 21:11.20 | m0rbid | hello Insolit |
| 21:11.24 | Insolit | do you know where does KDE keeps its language configuration |
| 21:11.33 | analfabeta | m0rbid: the virtual package is for install some packages automatic, and put personal conf files inside /etc |
| 21:11.51 | Vasistha | indigoblu: well, we need to make sure grub is installed to the MBR properly (I'm not sure how to check that) and we need to make sure it is pointing to, e.g., an ext2 /boot partition, and then we need to make sure that /boot partition has the proper vmlinuz (kernel) and initrd files; we also need to double-check your bios and make sure it's configured to boot from your hard drive. didja get all that? ;-) |
| 21:12.02 | m0rbid | well personal files, persay, should go in your ~/. |
| 21:12.22 | Insolit | i wonder who was the person in here developing the game secret maryo chronicles |
| 21:12.31 | m0rbid | O.o |
| 21:12.42 | Vasistha | Insolit: stoned was talking about it, but I dunno if he's involved in dev |
| 21:13.01 | indigoblu | Vasistha, yeah, the system boots from disk when the cdrom drive is attached, it fails to boot when that device is removed (never detects volume group, then sits waiting for rootfs). |
| 21:13.01 | Insolit | maybe it's him |
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| 21:13.21 | Vasistha | Insolit: kcontrol > Regional & Accessibility > Country/Region & Language |
| 21:13.42 | Insolit | Vasistha: i know where to change |
| 21:13.45 | m0rbid | indigoblu: are you trying to install ? |
| 21:13.48 | Insolit | my question is where does that info is saved |
| 21:13.49 | indigoblu | Vasistha, so im never actually booting off cdrom here, the initscriipts just dont see my vg if the cdrom device is removed |
| 21:14.02 | m0rbid | o.o |
| 21:14.11 | indigoblu | m0rbid, no install, vg not recognized if I remove a cdrom from the system |
| 21:14.29 | m0rbid | hrmm. |
| 21:14.34 | Vasistha | indigoblu: are you using grub or lilo? Sorry if I'm dense, but I haven't got it verified yet in my mind that you're getting properly through a grub menu or whatever |
| 21:15.17 | m0rbid | wtf is a vg? |
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| 21:16.06 | Insolit | volume group |
| 21:16.22 | indigoblu | Vasistha, yes, grub installed and booting fine. The process where I fail is (if any only if the cdrom is removed) the system boots up, the initrd loads and system gets to remounting disks as r/w and it cant find vm |
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| 21:16.47 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 21:17.07 | indigoblu | Vasistha, by cdrom removed I mean, unplugging or plugging the device |
| 21:17.14 | szymon_g | could anyone look on this? |
| 21:17.20 | szymon_g | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=411887 |
| 21:17.34 | szymon_g | i've got a big problem with kernel's compilation on feisty |
| 21:17.35 | DCTalk | how do I go about getting the debian 4.0 installer to see my hard disks, it sees the sata controller (a promise sata one) but modeprobe shows both the sata ports as being link-down |
| 21:17.41 | indigoblu | m0rbid, volume group (LVM) |
| 21:17.42 | Vasistha | indigoblu: wait, do you mean ... you don't actually need to have a CD in the drive? You're saying that it's failing when the device is not connected on the IDE? |
| 21:17.43 | melodos | is there any image cloning software that keeps a whole image of my hdd including partitions and mbr? in other words a true image of my whole hard disc? |
| 21:17.51 | indigoblu | Vasistha, exactly |
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| 21:18.14 | Vasistha | indigoblu: ah, okay! well, now I think I know what the problem is! |
| 21:18.17 | szymon_g | sorry, wrong windows :p |
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| 21:19.03 | Vasistha | indigoblu: probably what's happening is that you've got "cable select" or something, and somehow the bios is assigning your primary hard drive a different position, and presenting it differently to the kernel, when the cd drive is plugged vs unplugged |
| 21:19.37 | Vasistha | indigoblu: is this a regular desktop/tower? |
| 21:20.00 | indigoblu | Vasistha, i assumed that too, but my hard disk always comes up as hda |
| 21:20.20 | Vasistha | Insolit: you should probably ask #kde - they'll be able to tell you ;-) |
| 21:20.32 | Vasistha | indigoblu: the plot thickens! |
| 21:20.36 | indigoblu | Vasistha, and my grub args use the LVM devices, /dev/mapper/.... |
| 21:21.14 | indigoblu | Vasistha, pvscan sees everything fine, lvdisplay shows all healthy partitions |
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| 21:21.35 | unseensoul | hi |
| 21:21.41 | indigoblu | Vasistha, the only thing I can think of is that the initscript doesnt do vgscan -a y to active parts for some reason (a bug?) |
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| 21:22.31 | nn-main | how do i change video mode |
| 21:22.35 | Vasistha | indigoblu: ya know, I just have no idea ... we've just gone way beyond my realm of experience. Hopefully someone else will jump in now... |
| 21:22.48 | m0rbid | alt + I think |
| 21:22.58 | m0rbid | or is it cntrl + |
| 21:22.58 | m0rbid | something like that |
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| 21:23.10 | nn-main | nope |
| 21:23.20 | Vasistha | nn-main: in what environment? and what change do you want to make? |
| 21:24.04 | nn-main | Vasistha, wmaker ; switch video mode; |
| 21:24.05 | Vasistha | indigoblu: well, does /var/log/messages give any info from the failed boot, or does it not get to start? |
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| 21:24.39 | Vasistha | nn-main: like, switch 1024x768 to 1200x1600 or some such, or display depth or scan frequency? |
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| 21:25.17 | xingu | nn-main: see xrandr(1) |
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| 21:26.42 | freetos | is there a way to do a group install of development stuff? |
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| 21:26.56 | RichiH | freetos: ? |
| 21:27.07 | freetos | gcc and all the goodies |
| 21:27.16 | azeem | install build-essential |
| 21:27.20 | azeem | go from there |
| 21:28.52 | freetos | azeem, thank you |
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| 21:35.31 | Supaplex | with use of xvidtune, where do the entries (when you click show), belong in xorg.conf? |
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| 21:40.54 | Insolit | guys do you know what's the app like visual studio but for linux? |
| 21:41.02 | azeem | eclipse |
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| 21:41.36 | Insolit | not that one |
| 21:41.50 | Lovecraft | What package is start-stop-daemon part of? |
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| 21:41.57 | azeem | Lovecraft: dpkg I thought |
| 21:42.03 | azeem | Lovecraft: dpkg -S <file> will tell you |
| 21:42.06 | Lovecraft | I'll look. |
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| 21:43.32 | Lovecraft | Yup .. there she be. Thatnks, azeem. |
| 21:43.51 | jetscreamer | you go girl! |
| 21:43.57 | Vluid | hi |
| 21:44.22 | drijen | phated are you here in any form? |
| 21:44.53 | Vluid | can i put two -m options in one iptables rule? |
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| 21:45.11 | cafuego | phated is here in liquid form |
| 21:45.15 | Vasistha | Vluid: dunno, but you might ask #iptables |
| 21:45.25 | drijen | cafuego: does she still frequent here |
| 21:45.30 | Vasistha | Vluid: you can also just try it and see ;-) |
| 21:45.34 | cafuego | !seen phated |
| 21:45.35 | dpkg | phated <n=phated@unaffiliated/phated> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 105d 22h 6m 33s ago, saying: 'So... yeah, I'm self-kicking now because I'm offtopic.'. |
| 21:45.43 | cafuego | My guess would be 'no'. |
| 21:45.49 | drijen | :(. |
| 21:46.07 | jetscreamer | !seen mwlson |
| 21:46.07 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i haven't seen 'mwlson' |
| 21:46.11 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 21:46.14 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 21:46.15 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 548d 39m 51s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 21:46.26 | jelly-home | !seem strange |
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| 21:46.41 | jetscreamer | don't worry you have that one covered |
| 21:46.43 | streuner | !seen George W. Bush |
| 21:46.43 | dpkg | streuner: i haven't seen 'george w. bush' |
| 21:46.44 | rambo3 | !seen lilo |
| 21:46.44 | dpkg | lilo <i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 242d 15h 35m 15s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 21:46.49 | streuner | argh |
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| 21:46.55 | jetscreamer | bad one rambo3 |
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| 21:47.15 | jetscreamer | !castignigate rambo3 |
| 21:47.23 | jelly-home | rambo3: there's no irc connection on the other side, dude |
| 21:47.24 | jetscreamer | not that there is such a factoid |
| 21:47.46 | numist | rambo3: mean :( |
| 21:47.54 | jetscreamer | rambo3: other side == land of the dead, in this case |
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| 21:48.27 | streuner | !kill jetscreamer |
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| 21:49.25 | mustmr | checking for GTK... configure: error: GTK+-2.8 is required to compile murrine |
| 21:49.25 | mustmr | wtf? |
| 21:49.33 | jetscreamer | ok now i can talk to lilo... (lame joke but hey wtf) |
| 21:49.36 | rambo3 | I was going to write !pony m but it would have been mean |
| 21:50.07 | streuner | mustmr: if its in Debian search via apt-cache search libgtk*-dev |
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| 21:50.57 | stoned | hola |
| 21:50.58 | mustmr | oh, i need libgtk dev then |
| 21:51.00 | streuner | !info libgtk2.0-dev |
| 21:51.11 | rahul | dude. man. |
| 21:51.12 | streuner | mustmr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:51.16 | nadim | Supaplex: so I have sarge chroot'ed - where should I point LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
| 21:51.32 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.10.11-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2498 kB, Installed size: 8700 kB |
| 21:51.54 | mustmr | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:52.04 | streuner | sounds like etch |
| 21:52.08 | mustmr | lenny |
| 21:52.09 | Supaplex | nadim: try /sargepath/lib:/sargepath/usr/lib |
| 21:52.13 | streuner | mustmr: is that app not in Debian? |
| 21:52.20 | mustmr | streuner, no |
| 21:52.31 | streuner | !info libgtk2.0-dev etch |
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| 21:52.38 | mustmr | oh |
| 21:52.39 | mustmr | the libgtk is |
| 21:52.47 | nadim | Supaplex: yeah, that's what I had - hrmmm.... |
| 21:52.48 | mustmr | but the one i'm trying to compile isn't hehe |
| 21:52.50 | streuner | so install it |
| 21:52.52 | OMFG-Why | lo all, id like to kno how user friendly Debian is for nix noobz :D |
| 21:52.57 | mustmr | i'm installing =P |
| 21:52.57 | nadim | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/var/chroot/sarge/lib:/var/chroot/sarge/usr/lib |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: (Development files for the GTK+ library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.8.20-7 (etch), Packaged size: 2298 kB, Installed size: 8160 kB |
| 21:53.15 | streuner | OMFG-Why: if you can read docs yes |
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| 21:53.28 | mustmr | sometimes debian complicates too much |
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| 21:53.53 | streuner | Debian is easy, if you willing to read and learn |
| 21:54.00 | OMFG-Why | ok streuner, i just want to run like 4 things on the server |
| 21:54.06 | mustmr | yeah i know |
| 21:54.10 | OMFG-Why | and its gotta be very stable and secure |
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| 21:54.11 | mustmr | but i think slack is easier |
| 21:54.35 | karsten | mustmr: Got Slack? |
| 21:54.36 | h3sp4wn | OMFG-Why: The chances of the docs being correct is also higher than some distros |
| 21:54.38 | Vasistha | OMFG-Why: yeah, that's a good reason to run debian |
| 21:54.39 | Supaplex | nadim: try ldd $binary for clues while in the chroot. |
| 21:54.43 | karsten | mustmr: ... is Bob your Uncle? |
| 21:54.48 | mustmr | karsten, lol |
| 21:54.59 | OMFG-Why | ok, ta guys |
| 21:55.24 | OMFG-Why | hopefully ill be able to get a lil support here if i get really stuck when i set the server up |
| 21:55.46 | OMFG-Why | im gonna be installing everything remotely, since the server is far away from me.. |
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| 21:55.53 | karsten | streuner: slackware *is* the slacksmite cmd. |
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| 21:56.35 | karsten | OMFG-Why: Shouldn't be too painfule. |
| 21:56.36 | karsten | ful, evn. |
| 21:56.36 | OMFG-Why | ok cool :) |
| 21:56.54 | streuner | !be slackware barbie |
| 21:56.55 | dpkg | slackware is hard! |
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| 21:57.12 | OMFG-Why | no1 in here is a php god are they? :D |
| 21:57.15 | Lovecraft | aaroncampbell: dd copies empty space too. |
| 21:57.19 | Lovecraft | aaroncampbell: dd copies empty space too. |
| 21:57.22 | OMFG-Why | im kak stuck.. |
| 21:57.22 | drwahl | i am trying to run Beryl, and i get the error "No RandR extension" |
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| 21:57.44 | streuner | dpkg, no be slackware barbie is <reply> slackware is hard! Let's go shopping! |
| 21:57.44 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
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| 21:58.25 | karsten | !be streuner barbie |
| 21:58.26 | dpkg | streuner is hard! |
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| 21:58.41 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:59.21 | thelostbutler | hello folks, does anyone here know how to configure IPMI on debian/sarge system i am having difficulty in setting ip address to the ipmi interface |
| 21:59.23 | nadim | Supaplex: hrmm - libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7d4c000) |
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| 22:00.38 | cafuego | !mock karsten |
| 22:00.47 | nadim | Supaplex: so that LD_LIBRARY_PATH pasted should have worked... |
| 22:01.05 | cafuego | OMFG-Why: stuck with/on what? |
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| 22:01.18 | drwahl | i am trying to run Beryl, and i get the error "No RandR extension" |
| 22:02.02 | Supaplex | nadim: some other fella suggested RPATH (never heard of it before today) |
| 22:02.15 | Supaplex | yay my modelines work now. (checks documentation for bugs) |
| 22:02.24 | stoned | drwahl is Xinerama enabled? |
| 22:02.35 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't use rpath unless you can't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH at all |
| 22:02.39 | karsten | drwahl: Possibly: your GPU doesn't support GLX, and/or you don't have the module selected in yoru xorg.conf. What GPU, what driver? Might want to pastebin your xorg.conf file. And no, I probably can't help you with specifics. |
| 22:02.58 | karsten | streuner: Does Xinerama bork all sorts of X acceleration? |
| 22:03.01 | freetos | anyone running xp with virtualbox? |
| 22:03.07 | stoned | you mean stoned |
| 22:03.10 | stoned | and sometimes |
| 22:03.18 | karsten | !tell freetos about polls |
| 22:03.18 | karsten | freetos: Just ask your question. |
| 22:03.18 | stoned | I ran it on top of Xgl since I have an ATI card |
| 22:03.26 | drwahl | stoned: Option "Xinerama" "true" |
| 22:03.28 | stoned | no aiglx |
| 22:03.37 | stoned | drwahl turn it false and try again |
| 22:03.39 | stoned | restart X |
| 22:04.02 | freetos | does sound work w/virtualbox inside xp guest os? |
| 22:04.12 | stoned | freetos yes |
| 22:04.23 | obsethryl | hi a simple question: i have lvm partitions setup on my fc6 box, thinking of switching to debian, is there anything extra i should be aware of in the 4.0 release that could get the fc6 lvm partitions in trouble? or things just work ? |
| 22:04.24 | stoned | freetos but it takes full control of the soundcard |
| 22:04.35 | stoned | freetos also virtual box doesn't work with sound servers or dmix |
| 22:04.39 | stoned | i fucking hate it |
| 22:04.49 | stoned | s/it/that behaviour in apps |
| 22:05.15 | jelly-home | aoss wrapper? |
| 22:05.19 | freetos | i was wondering if i could watch and listen to video over the net using xp inside virtualbox |
| 22:05.38 | stoned | freetos you can. jelly-home hmm.. never tried it |
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| 22:07.58 | stoned | jelly-home I have alwaya had the alsa oss wrapper installed.. still i was experiencing that behavrious. same with skype as well. Does aoss need additional configuration? |
| 22:08.36 | abrotman | sometimes it does |
| 22:08.40 | jelly-home | stoned: if the app uses OSS, it might work. Just run aoss binary |
| 22:08.53 | stoned | I'll try it as soon as I unpack my computers :D |
| 22:09.01 | abrotman | in two months ? |
| 22:09.08 | stoned | 1.5 weeks |
| 22:09.08 | jelly-home | stoned: but it doesn't always work. Eg. it didn't work for older skype versions that only had OSS. |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | i tohught you were staying in nyc for two months ? |
| 22:09.48 | stoned | no I was between okc/houston/batonrouge. I got into nyc 1.5 weeks ago. |
| 22:10.15 | stoned | I have a very small room here and etc etc. blah i got too many amps and guitars which are more important than computers |
| 22:10.17 | stoned | :) |
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| 22:10.36 | rahul | you need shelves for the computers |
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| 22:10.56 | rahul | and racks to hang the guitars |
| 22:11.02 | stoned | rahul lets get drunk this weekend |
| 22:11.10 | stoned | rahul soon I shall set it up properly |
| 22:11.14 | rahul | stoned: 4/20 - jazz/funk/reggae night |
| 22:11.18 | streuner | yeah, HOW was the party? |
| 22:11.22 | stoned | great |
| 22:11.23 | rahul | knitting factory tap bar |
| 22:11.31 | stoned | streuner met some really cool people |
| 22:11.31 | rahul | streuner: awesome |
| 22:11.40 | stoned | except rahul |
| 22:11.42 | stoned | hes not cool |
| 22:11.42 | rahul | yeah, Jay Sulzberger was there. |
| 22:11.43 | rahul | hah |
| 22:11.45 | streuner | cooler vs. here? NO way! |
| 22:11.45 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:12.03 | karsten | stoned: Where was thsi party? |
| 22:12.15 | rahul | actually, I was hoping to introduce you to jay at some point, but it happened without my effort :) |
| 22:12.20 | karsten | stoned: Ah. NYC. |
| 22:12.22 | rahul | karsten: nyc. the etch release |
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| 22:12.26 | stoned | karsten nyc in some belgian beer pub |
| 22:12.29 | stoned | i think |
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| 22:12.46 | rambo3 | flickr search debian party |
| 22:13.00 | stoned | rahul you better hookup some green for 4/20 |
| 22:13.20 | rahul | stoned: yeah |
| 22:13.35 | stoned | whos that one guy who sings the song... on the road again... |
| 22:13.38 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.39 | stoned | woody something? |
| 22:13.43 | karsten | From the ATM. |
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| 22:13.55 | karsten | stoned: Guthrie? |
| 22:13.57 | Bracki | guthrie |
| 22:13.58 | stoned | no.. |
| 22:14.05 | rahul | willie nelson |
| 22:14.08 | stoned | he was in the movie beerfest at .. yes |
| 22:14.09 | stoned | him |
| 22:14.11 | rahul | hehe |
| 22:14.12 | stoned | jay reminded me of him |
| 22:14.19 | rahul | haha, really? |
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| 22:14.24 | stoned | with the hair and beard |
| 22:14.28 | stoned | hehe |
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| 22:14.31 | rahul | they're kinda different. both are old and wise and beardy |
| 22:14.32 | rahul | yeah |
| 22:15.42 | stoned | someone took my picture at the party.. need to find out who it was.. rahul that guy with the goatee/glasses said his nick was kevix or something |
| 22:15.42 | BUMBACL0T | anything that's using Linus' kernel is GNU, right? |
| 22:15.57 | stoned | BUMBACL0T sure why not |
| 22:15.59 | ejot | hmm, im moving an installation from vmware to physical hardware ... so, basically i moved /etc /home /var and /usr to a basic install of debian. Problem is i cannot get networking running again? when i boot i see that eth0 is enabled. .. what could be wrong? |
| 22:16.00 | streuner | stoned: http://www.burgherzberg-festival.de/index_e.html |
| 22:16.09 | rahul | hrm |
| 22:16.12 | ejot | running etch |
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| 22:16.42 | stoned | streuner whats this about? |
| 22:16.50 | rahul | stoned: kevix maybe |
| 22:16.57 | rahul | stoned: online now |
| 22:16.59 | streuner | stoned: cool people? |
| 22:16.59 | BUMBACL0T | so why people call their distro Linux instead of GNU/Linux ? |
| 22:17.03 | stoned | ahh word |
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| 22:17.10 | BUMBACL0T | without GNU, there'd be no Linux |
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| 22:17.23 | stoned | ejot I've never tried it.. I'm guessing you have already checked your network config? |
| 22:17.24 | azeem | BUMBACL0T: this discussion is off-topic here |
| 22:17.31 | dashs | USB hotplug of camera does not load usb-storage or cr3ate a block device what am I missing (beside brain)? |
| 22:17.32 | rahul | van der graaf generator! |
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| 22:17.43 | BUMBACL0T | azeem, no it aint, debian is linux |
| 22:17.48 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Um, dude, you've already tried this troll. Move on. |
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| 22:17.59 | stoned | debian is a distro that uses the linux kernel and the GNU hurd |
| 22:18.01 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Debian/BSD isn't Linux. |
| 22:18.03 | stoned | debian != linux |
| 22:18.06 | schoppenhauer | What do i have to do if i want to suggest a program which is not yet in the Package tree to be packaged? |
| 22:18.08 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Nore is Debian/HURD. |
| 22:18.09 | BUMBACL0T | karsten, stfu, i don't troll (no offense) |
| 22:18.18 | stoned | BUMBACL0T be nice |
| 22:18.18 | ejot | stoned: yeah.. i matched everything from vmware to physical |
| 22:18.19 | streuner | BUMBACL0T: enough |
| 22:18.19 | karsten | !ops BUMBACL0T troll / offtopic |
| 22:18.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: karsten complains about: BUMBACL0T troll / offtopic |
| 22:18.34 | BUMBACL0T | who is trolling? |
| 22:18.41 | BUMBACL0T | i didn't say anything about GNU before |
| 22:18.44 | BUMBACL0T | yall can check logs |
| 22:18.45 | azeem | BUMBACL0T: as I said, please drop this conversation |
| 22:18.46 | ejot | i DO get network in physical when doing the install tho |
| 22:19.16 | enouf | BUMBACL0T: don't be a shithead .. k? |
| 22:19.21 | azeem | enouf: eh? |
| 22:19.27 | azeem | enouf: stop calling people shithead, please |
| 22:19.32 | stoned | ejot i dunno man.. i can't think of anything.. nothing except config should be the problem. /etc would be causing a problem |
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| 22:19.56 | stoned | ejot I dunno except don't import /etc and just restore your config files later the ones you need |
| 22:20.00 | azeem | BUMBACL0T: I suggest you discuss this in #gnu |
| 22:20.17 | hatter | anyone know how i find out what this error means ? BUG: warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg() |
| 22:20.18 | enouf | you mess with my homeys, you mes with me |
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| 22:20.27 | BUMBACL0T | ok, old head |
| 22:20.32 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:20.34 | tls | hello all |
| 22:20.34 | stoned | dudes.. fuck! |
| 22:20.37 | stoned | chill out |
| 22:20.38 | ejot | stoned: alright, could try that.. |
| 22:20.43 | hound | Does anybody know if it's possible for me to add an existing ext3 partition to an LVM setup? In a condition where I don't have enough free space to shuffle things around resizing partitions |
| 22:20.44 | karsten | hatter: Use the source. What program? GIYF. |
| 22:20.53 | ejot | is there a way to get the nice GUI from install back? |
| 22:21.01 | abrotman | stoned: that was so much better :) |
| 22:21.17 | hatter | karsten: its assoiscated with ide_core and ide_tape |
| 22:21.19 | BUMBACL0T | ok, how do you force a user to su without entering the root password |
| 22:21.22 | stoned | ejot gui is the same as text install.. in fact the text installer is faster |
| 22:21.27 | enouf | stoned: so i hear you're loaded with green |
| 22:21.33 | stoned | not at all man |
| 22:21.35 | stoned | totally out |
| 22:21.38 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: you don't, you use sudo |
| 22:21.38 | enouf | whimp |
| 22:21.44 | tls | I have qustion about pop3 servers, anyone care to shed some light? |
| 22:21.48 | stoned | abrotman tee hee :D |
| 22:21.50 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, i know about sudo, im writing a script |
| 22:21.51 | azeem | tls: just ask |
| 22:21.54 | schoppenhauer | where can i suggest that some program should be taken into the package-tree? i read this on some link on packages.debian.org, but i cannot find it anymore. |
| 22:21.58 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: make the script use sudo |
| 22:22.00 | ejot | yes, text is gui for me :) ... but can i get it back once i have finished installing to reconfigure stuff? |
| 22:22.08 | streuner | enouf: enough :-) |
| 22:22.09 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: or just run the script as root |
| 22:22.10 | stoned | you mean base-config? |
| 22:22.19 | stoned | ejot base-config or something |
| 22:22.22 | stoned | i can't remember |
| 22:22.26 | enouf | streuner: just getting warmed up ;-) |
| 22:22.30 | ejot | yup? i tried dpkg-reconfigure base-config, not installed |
| 22:22.43 | tls | azeem: what pop server would you recomend? |
| 22:22.44 | BUMBACL0T | because you know when you type "su", it asks for password right? how do you make it something like su -> then automatically enter the root password |
| 22:22.51 | peterS | hmmm I thought base-config disappeared after sarge |
| 22:23.01 | stoned | BUMBACL0T not a good idea. Use sudo |
| 22:23.04 | enouf | peterS: it did |
| 22:23.05 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: you wouldn't |
| 22:23.08 | abrotman | ever |
| 22:23.14 | azeem | tls: don't ask me |
| 22:23.19 | tls | i was looking at courier but then got pointed in the direction of dovecot |
| 22:23.32 | cafuego | BUMBACL0T: You save the root password in a file that can be read by all users, then echo it into the prompt. Bad idea. May as well make /sbin/rootshell a suid bash. |
| 22:23.39 | enouf | peterS: it's rolled into the installer, locales into libc6 IINM (something like that) |
| 22:23.40 | BUMBACL0T | but the file is gonna be chmod'd and chown'd |
| 22:23.41 | tls | azeem: lol ok! anyone else? |
| 22:23.49 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 22:23.51 | ejot | what replaced base-config? |
| 22:23.59 | streuner | nothing |
| 22:24.01 | cafuego | BUMBACL0T: it's not, as a non-root user would need to be able to read it. |
| 22:24.04 | abrotman | tls: both are fine .. dovecot is probably a little faster .. courier has been around longer |
| 22:24.07 | Supaplex | what options do I have for matching the brightness contrast and hue of two different models of monitors side bye side? the OSD only matches either solid white, or the title bars. also, the white is either bluish or redish between them. |
| 22:24.08 | enouf | it's not a what replaces it answer |
| 22:24.11 | streuner | ejot: good old editor |
| 22:24.18 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: you seem to want a setuid program, but setuid capability is disabled for scripts so you need something that isn't a script. or use perl-suid |
| 22:24.33 | cafuego | tls: Either is fine, just try to avoid cyrus. |
| 22:24.46 | tls | abrotman: would you say dovecot is a better choice for a fist pop server |
| 22:24.47 | tls | ? |
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| 22:25.11 | rahul | hmm smartd is going haywire |
| 22:25.12 | abrotman | tls: it should be fine .. as long as you don't have special needs |
| 22:25.14 | enouf | peterS: my bad .. the timezone stuff rolled into libc6 (tzconfig, tzdata, etc) .. again .. I'm certainly not clear on the details though |
| 22:25.22 | cafuego | is 'fist pop' something we _want_ to ask about? |
| 22:25.23 | rahul | I think it can't cope with a drive that's spun down |
| 22:25.35 | rahul | cafuego: no, it's something we want to DO |
| 22:25.36 | abrotman | cafuego: it's a kiwi thing :) |
| 22:25.37 | enouf | peterS: fuzzy logic ;-) |
| 22:25.44 | peterS | enouf: no, tzdata was _split out_ of libc6 |
| 22:25.44 | streuner | ejot: anyway, base-config was for newbies who haven't any clue about Debian at all, in most cases you had to configure those stuff by yourself... |
| 22:25.47 | rahul | abrotman: they do it to their sheep? |
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| 22:25.52 | abrotman | rahul: i don't want to know |
| 22:25.55 | rahul | haha |
| 22:25.55 | cafuego | abrotman: I don't see the word "sheep" in there at all |
| 22:25.57 | enouf | peterS: told ya .. |
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| 22:26.09 | abrotman | cafuego: implied ? :) |
| 22:26.22 | cafuego | abrotman: by 'kiwi' sure ;-) |
| 22:26.22 | stoned | food |
| 22:26.33 | stoned | kiwis are delish |
| 22:26.44 | peterS | you're probably thinking of kiwifruit |
| 22:26.47 | stoned | yessir |
| 22:26.57 | robin_sz | great ... so I have a good strength wireless connection, excellent local bandwidth, and theres some poxy router in Paris thats slow as buggery and dropping packets faster than a junkie in a raid |
| 22:26.59 | peterS | not quite the same thing as a kiwi |
| 22:27.02 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:27.04 | tls | azeem/abrotman: thanks for your input will google some more but cannot seem to find any good comparative reviews of either one... google here is come.... |
| 22:27.17 | tls | *i |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | tls: maybe ask ##linux ? |
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| 22:27.53 | tls | abrotman:will do... |
| 22:27.53 | stoned | !ping |
| 22:27.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:28.01 | stoned | damn lag |
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| 22:28.08 | tls | good night all... Tls |
| 22:28.18 | HostilePenguin | how do i see what is goint to updated without actually updating with apt-get? |
| 22:28.21 | robin_sz | broadband in Geneva really sucks |
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| 22:29.16 | stoned | HostilePenguin just run update. Don't select Y, just look at whats gonna go on |
| 22:29.26 | markit | hi, Ive seen that dist-upgrading sid brings me too much hdu occupied, so wanted to remove apt-get --purge remove tetex-base to avoid installation of texlive.. but apt-get wants to install texlive anyway when removing tex-base ! is it normal? |
| 22:29.52 | azeem | markit: tetex-base is a meta-package now |
| 22:30.00 | azeem | if you want *TeX, use texlive |
| 22:30.07 | peterS | markit: when you don't know why the system wants to perform particular upgrades or installs, run 'aptitude' interactively, that is the best way I know to examine and fix such situations. it takes some time to learn aptitude but it is well worth it |
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| 22:30.35 | markit | azeem: I don't want to have 295MB of texlive installed, that's all |
| 22:30.41 | HostilePenguin | hey stoned long time no see |
| 22:30.58 | azeem | markit: then remove tetex-extra first, maybe |
| 22:31.00 | markit | peterS: thanks for the suggestion, it will take a lot of time to master :( |
| 22:31.01 | azeem | if that's installed |
| 22:31.01 | peterS | markit: if you go into aptitude you'll see that you can remove texlive-extras and a buttload of its dependencies and your 295MB shrinks a _lot_ |
| 22:31.18 | ootput | are any ofyou using xen? is it ok to ony use the xen kernel? |
| 22:31.29 | ootput | should an initrd be built? |
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| 22:32.25 | markit | azeem: good shot!! thanks |
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| 22:33.04 | markit | peterS: I've been told about aptitude twice today... I think I will really have a look at it |
| 22:33.17 | stoned | markit /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 22:34.08 | deadcat | whats the irc channel for clearlooks? |
| 22:34.21 | streuner | What's clearlooks? |
| 22:34.22 | deadcat | oh.. irc.gnome.org |
| 22:34.23 | streuner | :-) |
| 22:34.59 | streuner | deadcat: that's the best answers we like, somebody ask and answered the question by himselfs :-) |
| 22:35.05 | deadcat | (= |
| 22:35.10 | streuner | nah |
| 22:35.23 | streuner | the truth is we like questions ;-) |
| 22:35.36 | deadcat | they updated their package and overwritten the one i had with square corner patch.. now i need to let them know what the f is going on |
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| 22:36.18 | Vasistha | "square corner patch" huh? |
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| 22:36.38 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: from perl, you might want to consider running sudo on itself if ($<); |
| 22:36.52 | deadcat | Vasistha: ya.. i had it for 2.7.4 and 2.8 as well. |
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| 22:37.03 | deadcat | Vasistha: looks hella good vs the round corners. |
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| 22:37.26 | Vasistha | deadcat: ohhhh of course, now it doesn't sound like such utter nonsense! |
| 22:37.27 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: be sure to read the perlsec and perlvar perldocs, and quotemeta function page. |
| 22:37.40 | deadcat | Vasistha: (= |
| 22:37.48 | schoppenhauer | is there already a package for "mupen64"? |
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| 22:38.52 | Supaplex | schoppenhauer: check http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 22:39.19 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: doesn't look like it. |
| 22:39.27 | Zancat | oops |
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| 22:40.47 | schoppenhauer | Supaplex, Vasistha: this was why i asked where to request packages? I tried this with reportbug, but i am not sure... maybe its already suggested... (there are many suggested programs, i dont want to check 7237 requests, where i cant even search for "mupen", but i dont want to request it, if it was already requested. |
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| 22:42.56 | Supaplex | schoppenhauer: reportbug can search through the listings. press ? at the prompt. |
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| 22:43.53 | peterS | OT: does anyone know whether the analog CDROM input to a sound card is electrically similar to a 'line out' from an external source? |
| 22:44.18 | Supaplex | peterS: should be. |
| 22:44.26 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: I don't see it on this list (which you can text-search in your browser): http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective -- so I'd say, request it! |
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| 22:44.40 | simonrvn | yeh, similar if not the same, in most cases |
| 22:44.43 | peterS | Supaplex: thanks. I want to digitize some cassette tapes so I got a component tape deck.... |
| 22:44.52 | Supaplex | peterS: provided you're not connecting two outputs to each other. :) |
| 22:44.53 | simonrvn | ooh ooh |
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| 22:45.10 | peterS | Supaplex: I figure connecting to the internal CDROM hookup is my best bet, since the 'line in' is mono |
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| 22:46.11 | peterS | and google tells me that 'amixer set CD capture' will then allow me to record from there |
| 22:46.17 | Supaplex | peterS: if the tape player is trying to drive what it thinks is a speaker, you'll have to create a resistor network. place a 32ohm resistor from signal to ground, and a 1kohm resistor from signal to input. Want a diagram? |
| 22:46.47 | peterS | Supaplex: well, we're talking "line out" from the deck, with stereo RCA plugs |
| 22:47.09 | Supaplex | peterS: that's ideal. no resistor network needed. |
| 22:47.13 | peterS | cool, thanks |
| 22:47.24 | Vasistha | peterS: probably your best bet is to get a quality sound card for $100 bucks or so that accepts a real input ... if you can find one that's linux-friendly ... and if you care |
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| 22:47.37 | peterS | markit: it does take some getting used to. it helps if you're an old user of dselect, the interface is just similar enough, while being better in every respect (: |
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| 22:47.49 | Zancat | Vasistha: remember me from yesterday, wit the hdb mounting prob? Can I uninstall libhal1 and libhal-storage and then reinstall them to try to fix the bug? Or will that screw up Debian? |
| 22:47.50 | simonrvn | markit: you'll get to like it |
| 22:47.54 | BUMBACL0T | nano.h:45:21: error: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:47.56 | BUMBACL0T | what's this |
| 22:47.59 | peterS | Vasistha: yeah I don't want to spend the $100 |
| 22:48.04 | markit | I pressed F with aptitude on a package name, just for test... pressing F again does not "deflag it", so I tried with "+", but now has "u" as flag :( I just want to go back to original state |
| 22:48.05 | Supaplex | ahhh the days of dselect. I remember those. |
| 22:48.09 | BUMBACL0T | i have build-essential and everything |
| 22:48.10 | Vasistha | markit: it's a little awkward at first, but once you learn how to get around, it's just the best |
| 22:48.10 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: it looks like you're trying to compile some software without knowing how |
| 22:48.11 | schoppenhauer | ah. this package is already requested... |
| 22:48.17 | peterS | BUMBACL0T: maybe you need libncurses5-dev |
| 22:48.20 | schoppenhauer | what a pity.. |
| 22:48.28 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: really! where did you find it requested? |
| 22:48.29 | schoppenhauer | so i have to build it myself :( |
| 22:48.33 | peterS | markit: original state is : |
| 22:48.35 | BUMBACL0T | peterS, true, im just doing the ABC, ./configure && make && make install |
| 22:48.38 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: what? |
| 22:48.46 | markit | Vasistha: basic rule of flags... if you press twice, you revert to original state... is so basic UI design ... |
| 22:49.01 | RichiH | markit: don't bother with aptitude, just use apt-get |
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| 22:49.05 | peterS | markit: in this case it isn't a flag, it's several possible states, not just two |
| 22:49.09 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: you're missing library headers. install apt-file, apt-file search curses.h (eg, libncurses5-dev). btw, what are you compiling? |
| 22:49.11 | RichiH | and yes, dselect was sheer horror |
| 22:49.12 | markit | peterS: of course, so user friendly... thanks ;) |
| 22:49.13 | peterS | bad RichiH. bad. |
| 22:49.22 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: there was already someone asking for mupen64 to be packaged... |
| 22:49.26 | Vasistha | markit: you can also use ctrl-u for undo |
| 22:49.27 | markit | lol |
| 22:49.31 | peterS | markit: of course you can always hit ? to see a whole list of keybindings |
| 22:49.32 | simonrvn | i briefly used dselect yesterday, and i was screaming after 20 minutes |
| 22:49.35 | RichiH | peterS: pft |
| 22:49.38 | simonrvn | if that |
| 22:49.52 | BUMBACL0T | Supaplex, nano, and don't ask why not get the package |
| 22:49.54 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: yeah, I gather -- was just wondering where you found that information, since it doesn't seem to be on that list I found :P |
| 22:49.56 | Supaplex | markit: aptitude takes command line arguments much like those of apt* friends. |
| 22:49.58 | markit | peterS: was unable to understand that ":" was the right choice |
| 22:50.11 | Supaplex | BUMBACL0T: heh ok. |
| 22:50.20 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: i did what you said... pressed ? and typed "mupen".... |
| 22:50.21 | markit | in any case, of course, I'm sure it works fine, but as "first time user" I giving you my first impressions, that are not positive |
| 22:50.23 | peterS | markit: like I said it takes time to get used to. I've used it long enough now that I never have to think about stuff like that, and once you _do_ learn the keybindings it's a very powerful system |
| 22:50.24 | simonrvn | BUMBACL0T: why not get the package? :P |
| 22:50.28 | peterS | right |
| 22:50.38 | Vasistha | Zancat: you can request that aptitude reinstall/reconfigure those packages, sure |
| 22:50.51 | Zancat | k |
| 22:50.51 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: how funny, I wonder why I didn't find it! |
| 22:50.56 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: if i knew how to built consistent packages, i would try it.... |
| 22:51.18 | simonrvn | markit: yeh... i remember when it was fresh off the press, so to speak, and it was totally fucked to use... now like peterS, i'm so used to it i could use it blind with no braille |
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| 22:52.19 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: oh, oh... heh, that's not what I suggested, someone else suggested that ;-) that's why I'm confused! Well, I think people here would probably be willing to help you through the building process... why not try it? |
| 22:53.09 | Vasistha | simonrvn: would it really help you to have the braille? ;D |
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| 22:54.10 | Vasistha | guah! |
| 22:54.19 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: its "1) #325448: ITP: mupen64 -- Nintendo64 emulator" where i found it in reportbug. ok, i will try to build a package or so... but not today... for me, its 0:55 at the moment... and i have to get up at 7 o clock... I will go to bed now ;-). But thank you so far. |
| 22:54.44 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: heh, maybe it's for the best that you didn't find the package tonight! |
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| 22:55.01 | Supaplex | !comfort Vasistha's broken foot |
| 22:55.01 | dpkg | There, there, Vasistha's broken foot. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:55.06 | schoppenhauer | Vasistha: no, the package doesnt exist as far as i see. |
| 22:55.21 | BUMBACL0T | !bz2 |
| 22:55.21 | dpkg | i heard bz2 is the extension used for file created by bzip2, a program like gzip that gives better compression(particularly on text files) but takes much more memory to run see <bzip2>. or use the j switch to tar, or install and use unp (ask me about <unp>) |
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| 22:55.36 | Vasistha | schoppenhauer: exactly -- you should be sleeping, but if it was there, you would probably be playing ;-) |
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| 22:59.35 | simprix | Im trying to run net-snmp-config but this command doesn't exist with the net-snmp package |
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| 23:01.28 | Vasistha | simprix: are you root? |
| 23:02.50 | simprix | no |
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| 23:02.57 | simprix | on the server yes |
| 23:04.15 | OwlEye | VoLume, check your system for a virus / trojan. you send onjoin spam |
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| 23:06.43 | Vasistha | simprix: it also might be in /etc/init.d |
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| 23:10.05 | Insolit | is there a program to configure locale in debian? |
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| 23:10.14 | azeem | Insolit: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:12.01 | Agrajag- | g'day. i've noticed that in a terminal (not in X), the monitor goes into power saving mode after a while - but if there are kernel messages or something, the screen turns back on. does anyone happen to know what causes this? i'd like a script im writing to do the same thing |
| 23:12.13 | Insolit | azeem: it seems i can have a lot of locales, how can i force a specific one to be used? |
| 23:12.38 | azeem | Insolit: select it during the X display manager login, e.g. |
| 23:13.42 | hatter | I have a LOT of BUG: Warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sh() appearing in syslog when accessing the tape with 'tar -t...' I cant find anything about this in google, it suggests warning, the tape is working, what should i do ? |
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| 23:16.03 | Agrajag- | also, is there a way to change the res of terminals without rebooting? im using a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 23:16.14 | enyc | ' ?res? |
| 23:16.19 | azeem | resolution |
| 23:16.24 | enyc | you mean consoles... or xterm's or X11 display? |
| 23:16.30 | enyc | what do you mean _Exactly_ |
| 23:16.32 | azeem | enyc: the console |
| 23:16.33 | azeem | no X |
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| 23:16.44 | enyc | azeem: right... the Text-mode... i see... |
| 23:16.55 | azeem | 01:12 < Agrajag-> g'day. i've noticed that in a terminal (not in X), [...] |
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| 23:17.02 | enyc | azeem: you _might_ be able to change it with "svgatextmode" assuming it doesnt fail in some way... |
| 23:17.35 | enyc | azeem: but its easier to put "vga=" line on the kernel commandline and reboot .... |
| 23:17.59 | enyc | azeem: vga=ask allows you to run a scan at boot at boot too... but again you reboot ;-) |
| 23:18.07 | Agrajag- | enyc: it's me that wants to do that.. i know i can do it like that, but i was wondering if i could do it without rebooting |
| 23:18.31 | enyc | azeem: svgatextmode MIGHT crash or MIGHT not work well with your videocard |
| 23:18.39 | enyc | azeem: but thats the tool really |
| 23:18.53 | azeem | enyc: Agrajag- asked, not me |
| 23:18.55 | enyc | azeem: this is assuming you do not have a "framebuffer" console |
| 23:19.07 | enyc | azeem: aaargh error... sorry ;-) |
| 23:19.15 | enyc | Agrajag-: meepmeep ;-) |
| 23:19.23 | Agrajag- | ;) |
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| 23:20.01 | bigwig | hi. i have a newbie question in c programming |
| 23:20.02 | pppoe_dude | ok... so is there a tool that will show me which package is in which CD? |
| 23:20.20 | pppoe_dude | bigwig, #c |
| 23:20.27 | bigwig | pppoe_dude: ok, sorry |
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| 23:21.20 | Vasistha | pppoe_dude: I believe the jigdo file has a listing ... I think there's a factoid on it, too |
| 23:21.37 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: /msg dpkg cd contents .. |
| 23:21.49 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:21.49 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: or get all the jigdo templtes and use zgrep |
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| 23:23.23 | dancek | If I remove the partition /dev/hda1, will the numbering change, i.e. will /dev/hda2 become /dev/hda1? |
| 23:23.27 | pppoe_dude | there is a search tool on that link, so i got what i needed |
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| 23:25.42 | Vasistha | dancek: it may. I think it actually depends on your partitioning tool. But whatever the tool is, it will probably tell you what the new numbers will be, so you can adjust your fstab. I prefer cfdisk, myself |
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| 23:27.05 | scarface | what is the name for the basic package for compiling? |
| 23:27.06 | dancek | Vasistha: okay, then I'll have to think it over. I'm gonna move stuff around anyway so best to do it all at once |
| 23:27.09 | dancek | thx |
| 23:27.35 | abrotman | !b-e scarface |
| 23:27.35 | dpkg | scarface: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 23:29.28 | x3n0 | where would the best dir to install fglrx to? (best practices?) |
| 23:29.42 | azeem | x3n0: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 23:30.12 | scarface | that's what I was looking for, thank you! |
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| 23:31.59 | fsteves | If did an apt-get remove apache2, rm -rf /etc/apache2, How can I reinstall apache2 (including /etc/apache2) --force-confmiss doesnt work for me |
| 23:32.01 | x3n0 | azeem, erm ... ? (nothing) |
| 23:32.25 | fsteves | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew --reinstall install apache2 doesnt help |
| 23:32.29 | fsteves | or confmiss |
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| 23:32.56 | scarface | btw: I'm on etch now and read in the release notes, that the use of aptitude is recommended. I'm actually used to apt-get routines.... is it a MUST do in etch? |
| 23:33.09 | azeem | x3n0: dpkg messages me with instructions if I use that irc command |
| 23:33.15 | azeem | !fglrx one-liner |
| 23:33.15 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 23:33.19 | azeem | x3n0: ^^ |
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| 23:35.55 | zu22 | i'm running debian testing and when i open a .php file in my browser (firefox) it doesn't open it and instead asks me how to handle it. i have apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, php5 and php5-cgi installed and i checked /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ has php5.conf php5.load so what step am i missing? |
| 23:37.21 | dvs | zu22: how are you specifying the URL? |
| 23:37.39 | Nilisco | zu22, do you have AddType application/x-httpd-php .php in your apache2.config? |
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| 23:37.48 | zu22 | dvs: i was opening a local .php file using File->Open in iceweasel |
| 23:37.55 | zu22 | Nilisco: let me check |
| 23:38.10 | Vasistha | zu22: along the lines of dvs's suggestion -- make sure you're using http:// and not file:// |
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| 23:38.43 | dvs | Vasistha: he's using the File->Open menu item so he's not specifying a URL |
| 23:38.50 | zu22 | dvs: it has: |
| 23:38.51 | zu22 | #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 23:38.52 | zu22 | #AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 23:38.58 | dvs | zu22: commented out |
| 23:39.01 | zu22 | NIlisco i mean |
| 23:39.13 | zu22 | dvs: the debian install must've done that since i never touched it |
| 23:39.20 | dvs | perhaps |
| 23:39.29 | zu22 | dvs: is it ok to edit that file directly and do /etc/init.d/apache2 restart? |
| 23:39.37 | Nilisco | yes |
| 23:39.39 | abrotman | a2enmod php4/5 |
| 23:39.43 | zu22 | ok cool |
| 23:39.46 | dvs | Nilisco: thanks dvs ;-) |
| 23:39.58 | Vasistha | zu22: I think you'd better not use the File>Open menu for php files -- FF is not going to be aware the file:///var/www/ should be replaced by http://localhost/ |
| 23:40.02 | zu22 | Vasistha: hey again |
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| 23:41.02 | scarface | hmm where to find glib-1.2.10 ? |
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| 23:41.45 | abrotman | !info libglib1.2 etch |
| 23:41.52 | zu22 | ok i commented out and restarted apache and getting same error when i try to open my locla php file with File->Open hmmm |
| 23:42.08 | scarface | !info libglib1.2 etch |
| 23:42.13 | zu22 | Vasistha: i will try your localhost suggestion |
| 23:42.24 | zu22 | Vaisstha: if i do that i must place the file in /var/www heh |
| 23:42.24 | Vasistha | zu22: yeah, I think you're going to have to just type in the url manually :P |
| 23:42.25 | hatter | where would i find information about a bug warning in dma-mapping.h ? |
| 23:42.29 | dpkg | libglib1.2: (The GLib library of C routines), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-17 (etch), Packaged size: 118 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
| 23:42.49 | Vasistha | zu22: well, yeah, apache can't serve files unless they're in apache's directory! |
| 23:42.50 | dpkg | libglib1.2: (The GLib library of C routines), section oldlibs, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-17 (etch), Packaged size: 118 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
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| 23:43.41 | scarface | abrotman: good I have installed that libglib1.2 package already but I need to set the path to its source and I dont know where to find it |
| 23:43.44 | zu22 | Vasistha: ok that works, that is a good feature for security sake i guess :) |
| 23:43.49 | m1ke_l | i've install cups and when i go to add a new printer, it asks me to login...any idea what login its refering too as root wont work |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | scarface: no .. you need the -dev package |
| 23:43.57 | scarface | ahh |
| 23:44.24 | zu22 | restarting apache showed one more error, it complains about "apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName", how can i fix this? |
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| 23:44.36 | m1ke_l | or, what package is lpadmin in? |
| 23:44.36 | zu22 | i can just make it 127.0.0.1 so it stops giving that error every time i boot up |
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| 23:45.26 | dvs | zu22: now this problem I do not know how to fix. ;-) |
| 23:45.29 | m1ke_l | found lpadmin inprinttool |
| 23:45.35 | zu22 | this is a dialup machine btw so i dont use my own DNS or have static ip |
| 23:45.37 | zu22 | dvs: heh |
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| 23:46.05 | Vasistha | zu22: I've just been ignoring that error message for months ;-) |
| 23:46.22 | zu22 | Vasistha: heh i will let ya know if i found how to fix it |
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| 23:47.02 | meh | Hello everyone.. Im having problems with snmpd.. Its working only on localhost and not on eth0.. any ideas? |
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| 23:47.47 | meh | its debian 4 |
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| 23:47.58 | Insolit | guys what makes icons of partition to show up in desktop automatically? |
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| 23:48.43 | dkr | Insolit: nautilus, you can disable that in configuratione ditor |
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| 23:49.21 | Insolit | dkr: mh i'd like that to happen but in a folder |
| 23:49.26 | Insolit | not in Desktop |
| 23:49.43 | Insolit | where's that configuration dkr ? |
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| 23:50.28 | gpm | Insolit: you'll want to use gconf-editor |
| 23:50.30 | dkr | system tools...configuration editor...apps...nautils...desktop |
| 23:50.37 | gpm | yeah |
| 23:50.41 | gpm | what dkr said |
| 23:50.47 | Insolit | gconf? |
| 23:50.54 | Insolit | isn't that gnome app? |
| 23:51.04 | dkr | gconf-editor from command line |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | anyone think he's not using gnome ? |
| 23:51.24 | Insolit | i'm using kde |
| 23:51.38 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 23:51.44 | dkr | oops, assumed the default debian desktop :) |
| 23:51.52 | Insolit | sorry about not telling you this immediatly |
| 23:51.59 | Insolit | so this is a KDE issue |
| 23:52.01 | abrotman | they should have asked! |
| 23:52.02 | Insolit | i'll ask #kde then |
| 23:52.04 | zu22 | !abrotman++ |
| 23:52.08 | zu22 | hehe |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | Insolit: #debian-kde also might be a good stop |
| 23:52.26 | meh | N E one here know anything about snmpd? it seems to be binding to localhost and not eth0 |
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| 23:52.43 | Insolit | abrotman: thanks :D |
| 23:52.44 | dkr | meh: so configure it not to, if that's nto what you want :) |
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| 23:52.57 | BUMBACL0T | does wine work perfectly on etch? |
| 23:53.26 | dkr | nothing is perfect |
| 23:54.17 | dkr | I just dual boot debian and xp so I can play the occasional game without bothering with wine :) |
| 23:54.28 | abrotman | s/perfectly on etch// |
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| 23:55.22 | Talisker | how do I give a certein user permissions to have a service listen on a certein port? |
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| 23:55.46 | Talisker | I want a normal user to run VNC listen on port 23 |
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| 23:58.56 | Vasistha | Talisker: well, there are two questions here. The first is whether the firewall is open on that port, and that question is not related to any particular user -- either your OS has the port open, or it doesn't. The second question is whether there is a process running, which is listening on that port. I'm not sure of it, but it is probably possible to have a user-run process listening on the port |
| 23:58.56 | dkr | I was wondering about that myself. I think the kernel has a "capabilities" feature to allow stuff liek this |
| 23:59.13 | Vasistha | dkr: the former or the latter? |
| 23:59.20 | Talisker | Vasistha: the port is open in the firewall, and there's no service listening on the same port |
| 23:59.29 | Talisker | I think it's just blocked by default to normal users |
| 23:59.34 | dkr | only root can bind to ports below 1024 |
| 23:59.37 | Insolit | is there a nice tool to disable/enable services ? |
| 23:59.46 | dkr | http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/security/linux-privs/kernel-2.4/capfaq-0.2.txt |
| 23:59.52 | Insolit | like chkconfig in mandriva for example |
| 23:59.55 | karsten | Insolit: /etc/init.d/<service> <start|stop> |
