| 00:00.01 | karsten | Insolit: Or update-init.d |
| 00:00.09 | dkr | capabilities are a way to allow a process to bind to one of those ports without giving it full root privs |
| 00:00.52 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 00:00.52 | Insolit | karsten: that changes service state in that moment |
| 00:00.52 | Talisker | dkr: is there anyway to give it full root privs? |
| 00:00.53 | Insolit | it does not change its boot behaviour |
| 00:00.53 | ma3x | hello |
| 00:00.55 | ma3x | I tried to run glxgears and I get this: http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot4bz2.png |
| 00:00.57 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5485DB0F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:01.07 | ma3x | can anybody diagnose anything? |
| 00:01.17 | ma3x | it's weird |
| 00:01.19 | karsten | Insolit: The second response does. |
| 00:01.23 | Flimzy | Are there any tools that can copy a binary and all of it's library dependencies for me? |
| 00:01.28 | ma3x | I changed RAM, is it possible ? |
| 00:01.34 | karsten | Insolit: Alternatively: if you don't want a service to run, uninstall it. Why do you have it on the system in the first place? |
| 00:01.37 | scarface | is the irssi-dev package the same as the source? |
| 00:01.43 | karsten | Flimzy: Sorry? |
| 00:02.02 | Insolit | karsten: i may not want a service to always be ran in boot time, but still run it sometimes... |
| 00:02.02 | dkr | Talisker: making the binary setuid root is one way, albeit not a very secure one. a lot of daemons(e.g. apache) handle it buy starting as root, and after binding port they switch to a non-priviledged user |
| 00:02.05 | Vasistha | scarface: I think it's just the headers for linking |
| 00:02.28 | scarface | Vasistha: how do I get the source files then? from the website? |
| 00:02.37 | Vasistha | scarface: apt-get source irssi |
| 00:02.42 | karsten | Insolit: You can also run stuff out of inetd if you want it available on demand. But update-init.d is what you seem to be looking for. |
| 00:02.55 | Insolit | is that a program karsten ? |
| 00:02.58 | dkr | Insolit: you could also setup /etc/sudoers to allow that user to run "/etc/init.d/service start" |
| 00:02.59 | Vasistha | scarface: you can do that as a normal user, and save it in any directory. apt won't keep track of whether you've downloaded it, or where |
| 00:03.43 | dkr | er, Talisker |
| 00:03.58 | *** part/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 00:04.08 | scarface | Vasistha: wow just did it ... sweet! :) |
| 00:04.28 | Vasistha | scarface: there ya go! Now you might also want to apt-get build-dep |
| 00:04.56 | Vasistha | scarface: I don't know if irssi has any build dependencies ... or if you're even planning on compiling irssi |
| 00:05.06 | dondelelcaro | !build-depends irssi |
| 00:05.13 | *** join/#debian mastroDani (n=daniele@host234-75-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 00:05.20 | mastroDani | hi all.. stew are you here? |
| 00:05.32 | *** join/#debian adlpaf (n=adlpaf@190.37.226.133) |
| 00:05.39 | mastroDani | i was here 2 days ago with a problem with apt-get / aptitude |
| 00:05.42 | azeem | mastroDani: please ask the channel, not individuals |
| 00:05.43 | scarface | Vasistha: well no Im just trying to compile the FiSH module for it but I cant work it out |
| 00:05.59 | mastroDani | after a bit of research i think that aptitude has some bug |
| 00:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 771] by debhelper |
| 00:06.06 | mastroDani | i explain |
| 00:06.26 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 00:06.41 | mastroDani | please watch here: http://pastebin.ca/447239 and here: http://pastebin.ca/447241 |
| 00:06.47 | Flimzy | oh, mklibs-copy |
| 00:06.55 | mastroDani | you see? aptitude want to remove a lot of software from my system |
| 00:06.57 | Vasistha | scarface: ahh, well -- if you're just trying to compile a module, you might actually only need the irssi-dev package with the headers :P in fact, that might be easier to work with -- you might have to compile them if all you've got is the souce package |
| 00:07.05 | *** join/#debian zu22 (n=zu22@unaffiliated/zu22) |
| 00:07.09 | ootput | hi guys, how do i go about getting nvidia modules (previously from repos) used with the new xen kernel I just installed (also from repos)? |
| 00:07.21 | ootput | will I only need to re-install the kernel modules? |
| 00:07.24 | *** join/#debian Pupeno (n=Pupeno@154-169-126-200.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 00:07.30 | mastroDani | now.. notice "evince" is one of the software it want to remove... cause "they aren't usefull anymore |
| 00:07.34 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 00:07.38 | mastroDani | now.. i uninstalled evince with apt-get |
| 00:07.38 | zu22 | Vasistha: adding "ServerName foo" to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and restarting apache2 fixed that error for me. |
| 00:07.40 | Vasistha | mastroDani: you should run the aptitude front end, use 'l' to filter the list for packages marked for automatic removal, and then mark all the packages you want to keep as manually installed. see /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 00:07.43 | scarface | Vasistha: yea well Im not really into it but it doesnt work, I get a whole big output saying error :( |
| 00:08.03 | Pupeno | Is there some specific reason rails 1.2.3 is in experimental instead of unstable? |
| 00:08.08 | dondelelcaro | mastroDani: also, in the future, when you paste error messages, run the commands with LANG=C foocmd; so it's easier to read the error messages. |
| 00:08.17 | Vasistha | scarface: sucks, dunnit :P that's generally my experience when trying to compile anything ... although I actually have had more success recently! |
| 00:08.25 | Vasistha | zu22: nice! Thanks for the tip |
| 00:08.34 | zu22 | karsten: milk got? (: |
| 00:08.43 | dondelelcaro | Pupeno: probably because it was uploaded before etch released. It'll probably be uploaded to unstable eventually; ask the maintainer or see the BTS if you need a specific explanation |
| 00:08.52 | zu22 | Vasistha: some karma points please :P hehe |
| 00:09.00 | Vasistha | zu22: eh? |
| 00:09.00 | *** join/#debian nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) |
| 00:09.07 | nadim | Supaplex: still there ? |
| 00:09.07 | *** join/#debian Rothgar (n=admin@ppp201-15.static.internode.on.net) |
| 00:09.12 | Pupeno | dondelelcaro: what is BTS? (I want to know if there's an specific reason because I am about to give it a try). |
| 00:09.37 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 00:09.37 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:09.39 | mastroDani | dondelelcaro, can you give an example with my command? LANG=C aptitude -f install ? |
| 00:09.41 | ootput | hi guys, how do i go about getting nvidia modules (previously from repos) used with the new xen kernel I just installed (also from repos)? Will I only need to reinstall the nvidia kernel module package? |
| 00:09.48 | dondelelcaro | mastroDani: that's it. |
| 00:09.49 | stew | mastroDani: yes, exaclty that |
| 00:09.56 | *** join/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 00:10.14 | Enverex | Would I be right in thinking that Etch is like Gentoo in that it doesn't have releases, it's just a "rolling version"? |
| 00:10.21 | mastroDani | if i hit "l" it doesn't select the packages |
| 00:10.27 | Pupeno | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 00:10.29 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: you'd be incorrect. |
| 00:10.41 | Pupeno | Enverex: no. |
| 00:10.45 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, Oh... that's a shame... |
| 00:10.51 | zu22 | everyone i've introduced to debian so far has loved it, albeit that' |
| 00:10.53 | Pupeno | Enverex: sid is like that, but it's unstable. |
| 00:10.58 | zu22 | is just 4 ppl but still :) |
| 00:11.01 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: you're probably looking for testing or unstable. |
| 00:11.05 | Supaplex | nadim: yes |
| 00:11.13 | Vasistha | zu22: you're doing better than I am! I haven't gotten anyone on it |
| 00:11.25 | *** join/#debian denver (n=Denver@12.107.36.226) |
| 00:11.29 | zu22 | Vasistha: well roll up your sleeves and hop to it ;) |
| 00:11.46 | Enverex | But doesn't Sid eventually become stable and get released? |
| 00:11.49 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: no |
| 00:12.02 | cureless | sid will always be sid/unstable |
| 00:12.09 | denver | how can i make acpid not start on boot |
| 00:12.15 | Vasistha | zu22: see, I don't spend a terrible lot of time interacting with computer folk (outside of irc) |
| 00:12.29 | Supaplex | denver: update-rc.d |
| 00:12.39 | Vasistha | denver: with a kernel flag in grub/lilo: acpi=off |
| 00:12.48 | denver | alright thank you |
| 00:12.51 | zu22 | Vasistha: same here |
| 00:12.55 | Enverex | Ah I see. It's just I'm looking for an established binary distro that basically has a rolling version, so I don't end up with no version updates for ages then all at once. So Sid would be what I'm after? |
| 00:13.06 | bigwig | thx all bye |
| 00:13.06 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: or testing |
| 00:13.07 | *** join/#debian c0nv1ct (n=convict@151hood236.hctc.com) |
| 00:13.08 | *** part/#debian bigwig (n=bigwig@catv-5665af31.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 00:13.19 | Supaplex | a rolling version? |
| 00:13.28 | Enverex | dondelelcaro, How far behind is testing normally? |
| 00:13.41 | Pupeno | Enverex: but, be sure to understand that it is unstable. |
| 00:13.41 | Insolit | what can make the restart option to disappear in kde menu? i can only logout? :( |
| 00:13.50 | dondelelcaro | Enverex: depends on the package. In general, it's at least 10 days behind unstable. |
| 00:14.03 | Pupeno | Enverex: it is ok for it not to work and the normal channels of support may not be appropriate (that is, you are likely to get a "if you run unstable, that's your problem"). |
| 00:14.10 | *** join/#debian bloom (n=bloom@adsl-75-22-21-128.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | the times when it's more, it's because there are RC bugs in the package in unstable, and it does not propogate. |
| 00:14.16 | Enverex | Pupeno, That's not a problem as long as stuff that is a problem with packages is fixed soonish, not after months and month |
| 00:14.17 | *** part/#debian bloom (n=bloom@adsl-75-22-21-128.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:14.17 | mastroDani | hum.. how can i filter the marked packages? |
| 00:14.22 | Pupeno | Insolit: starting kde from the shell instead of from kdm. |
| 00:14.23 | mastroDani | with aptitude |
| 00:14.31 | cureless | Enverex: why would you want such a distro? it would have too many changes, no? |
| 00:14.40 | Insolit | Pupeno: did not to that thoug |
| 00:14.42 | Insolit | *though |
| 00:14.52 | Enverex | cureless, I hate running software that's at least a good few months out of date |
| 00:14.56 | denver | update-rc.d acpid -f remove |
| 00:14.59 | denver | that should do the trick? |
| 00:15.15 | zu22 | Enverex: why? i run software that was written years ago, what's the problem? |
| 00:15.16 | Pupeno | Enverex: I wouldn't recommend unstable or testing for production. Every time I tried to use any of those form my desktop, I regret it. |
| 00:15.19 | *** join/#debian toupar (n=toupar@202.114.106.70) |
| 00:15.24 | cureless | Enverex: would you rather have unstable software than "old" software? |
| 00:15.38 | *** part/#debian solifugus (n=matthew@chungking.ctlt.wsu.edu) |
| 00:15.40 | cureless | ( |
| 00:15.47 | karsten | cureless: I want a hotbabe! |
| 00:15.49 | cureless | (btw, I run unstable on all my desktpops) |
| 00:15.57 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 00:16.04 | Vasistha | denver: well, there's another question of whether your kernel is using an acpi module, or if it is built-in ... turning the daemon off is one step |
| 00:16.07 | ma3x | can anyone help me setup 3d acceleration for my ati card? |
| 00:16.08 | Enverex | cureless, Excuse the comparison, but I can download and run software on Windows a day after its released and it's not expected for the app to be "completely unstable" |
| 00:16.11 | ma3x | ati |
| 00:16.13 | nadim | Supaplex: cool - so I'm looking into this LD_LIBRARY_PATH - I started an xterm export'ed the new path and tried to ldd the binary and got some murmurings about '' version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 '' - does this ring a bell at all ? |
| 00:16.16 | *** join/#debian m4ggus[etch] (n=marcus@p5485DB0F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:16.37 | Enverex | cureless, Why is anything that's not "old" obviously unstable? |
| 00:16.38 | denver | Vasistha, the reason i want to turn it off is because i am compiling a kernel without acpid support |
| 00:16.38 | cureless | Enverex: excuse the comparison but Windows itself is not released every day. |
| 00:16.55 | nadim | Supaplex: again the new LD_LIBRARY_PATH is pointing at an older glibc (sarge) |
| 00:17.16 | Enverex | cureless, Neither is Debian... I was referring to the software running on it, not the OS itself |
| 00:17.25 | Vasistha | denver: ah, well then yeah ... in fact, if you like, you can even uninstall the daemon. I likewise run a custom kernel with no acpi |
| 00:17.25 | Supaplex | nadim: no bells rang. |
| 00:17.29 | *** join/#debian mustmr (i=augusto@201.82.14.212) |
| 00:17.48 | mustmr | i need help sharing my internet connection |
| 00:17.59 | mustmr | i've set up a LAN |
| 00:18.05 | mustmr | (working fine) |
| 00:18.11 | mustmr | and set the iptables rules |
| 00:18.24 | mustmr | however, the remote pc can't connect to external adresses |
| 00:18.25 | zu22 | karsten: me too |
| 00:18.36 | amphi | mustmr: install ipmasq perhaps |
| 00:18.38 | Enverex | cureless, Here's another point. I've been running Feisty for about 3 months now, up until the version freeze that was basically a "rolling version" in that every-time I updated I'd get newer versions of the available software (not just the minor security updates). That's basically what I'm looking for. |
| 00:18.42 | cureless | Enverex: the thing is, Debian is a release that includes software itself. |
| 00:19.21 | Enverex | cureless, I know, but the whole comment that someone said no-one is going to help with any issues makes me just hate the idea |
| 00:19.34 | cureless | Enverex: you're welcome to try to run unstable, it works for a lot of people. |
| 00:19.45 | Pupeno | Enverex: Debian is not what you want, the closest would be Gentoo. |
| 00:19.46 | mustmr | amphi, why? |
| 00:19.57 | zu22 | karsten: milk got? (: |
| 00:20.17 | cureless | Enverex: that's the thing, if you start installing random stuff then it'll be hard to know where the problem lies. |
| 00:20.18 | Enverex | PumpkinPie, I used it for 4 years. The constant compile failures, the time taken to compile everything and the general "I dont care" attitude of the devs lost my interest |
| 00:20.23 | amphi | mustmr: because it will do what you seem to want to, but be unable to, do |
| 00:20.27 | zu22 | it would be cool if #debian had a website that lists channel regulars' websites |
| 00:20.50 | streuner | zu22: it exists |
| 00:20.53 | cureless | Enverex: you can also try FreeBSD |
| 00:21.03 | zu22 | streuner: oh cool, url? |
| 00:21.07 | Enverex | cureless, Well it seemed to work when I was going with Feisty so I assumed that Debian's "rolling" version would be even better as that's what it's designed to do rather than what I was doing |
| 00:21.12 | streuner | zu22: on 'debstats' (/msg dpkg debstats) |
| 00:21.14 | mustmr | amphi, but iptables should do the job |
| 00:21.16 | Enverex | cureless, Not interest in BSD |
| 00:21.16 | cureless | Enverex: Ubuntu itself promises releases every 6 months, is that too slow for you? |
| 00:21.23 | zu22 | streuner: vielen danke |
| 00:21.25 | Enverex | cureless, Yes, heh |
| 00:21.30 | amphi | mustmr: it can - just do apt-cache show ipmasq |
| 00:21.33 | cureless | Enverex: btw, ubuntu has a rolling version too |
| 00:21.43 | Enverex | cureless, They do? |
| 00:21.44 | streuner | zu22: bitteschoen |
| 00:21.50 | cureless | Enverex: however, don't expect the same level of support for a rolling version as you get for a release. |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | yes they do |
| 00:21.54 | amphi | mustmr: but it seems _you_ can't, so the ipmasq package might be useful to you |
| 00:21.59 | Flimzy | How can I tell what shared library contains a specific system call? |
| 00:22.02 | abrotman | Enverex: you should ask #ubuntu for more details :) |
| 00:22.17 | Enverex | cureless, I don't need support from them really, I've had a few minor issues that took seconds to fix |
| 00:22.30 | Enverex | abrotman, Can you at least tell me what it's called? |
| 00:22.35 | mustmr | amphi, ok then |
| 00:22.39 | Enverex | abrotman, |
| 00:22.41 | cureless | Enverex: were you running the "rolling" version? |
| 00:22.43 | mustmr | amphi, how do i erase my iptables rules? |
| 00:22.44 | Enverex | damn keyboad |
| 00:22.45 | *** join/#debian daveyates (n=daveyate@user-112054s.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 00:22.49 | abrotman | uhm .. honestly no .. :) |
| 00:23.12 | Enverex | cureless, I was running Edgy and a few months ago changed my sources to Feisty and just updated every other day |
| 00:23.34 | Enverex | abrotman, Ah ok, I only asked because I'm pretty sure no-one in there is going to know what I'm talking about |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | Enverex: i do know that #ubuntu+1 exists |
| 00:23.55 | amphi | mustmr: iptables -F, as man iptables explains |
| 00:24.02 | cureless | Enverex: btw, in windows you don't get the same thing as in Linux, you download pre-packaged binaries, many software packages can be downloaded from the web any time you want, independent of the distro you're running you know. |
| 00:24.06 | Enverex | abrotman, That's for Gutsy Gibbon |
| 00:24.07 | amphi | Flimzy: nm perhaps |
| 00:24.24 | abrotman | Enverex: they might know though |
| 00:24.24 | Enverex | cureless, I know |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | or maybe #ubuntu-devel ? |
| 00:24.36 | Flimzy | amphi, that may work, thanks |
| 00:24.37 | cureless | Enverex: the job of the distro and the release team is to make a coherent release. You're free to go download firefox any day of the week, just like in windows. |
| 00:24.50 | amphi | Flimzy: -D possibly |
| 00:24.55 | Supaplex | cute. you can install alsaplayer-gtk w/o alsaplayer. |
| 00:25.35 | *** join/#debian nu- (n=no@c-69-251-198-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:25.51 | Supaplex | haha. it's only RECOMMENDED. silly package. |
| 00:26.10 | nu- | I'd like to install debian. i noticed that there are multiple dvd's iso to download. do i need all of them or just the first one? |
| 00:26.25 | Vasistha | nu-: you probably only need the net install cd |
| 00:26.30 | drwahl | download the net-install |
| 00:26.41 | Kevin` | nu- unless you have specific requirements, the first cd will work. why can't you do netinstall though? :) |
| 00:26.42 | Vasistha | nu-: will you just be installing to one or two computers that have wired internet access? |
| 00:26.45 | nu- | so i can download as i install? |
| 00:26.59 | Zancat | uh, #ubuntu+1 is for Feisty, not Gutsy Gibbon |
| 00:27.02 | nu- | Vasistha: no. just one with wireless |
| 00:27.03 | Vasistha | nu-: well, you need the bootable net install cd to get you started, but yes |
| 00:27.12 | Zancat | yet adleast |
| 00:27.20 | zu22 | you can even install with just floppy diskettes |
| 00:27.28 | Enverex | abrotman, I think you've got confused in that when they release a new version that channel just becomes for the new distro, so the moment Gutsy is released it'll be for the one after that, etc... you'd need to update your sources each time for the new "distro" |
| 00:27.30 | Kevin` | nu- some wireless cards will work during the install, but i'd recommend messing with that after it |
| 00:27.34 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-178-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 00:27.43 | nu- | Kevin`: alright |
| 00:27.52 | Kevin` | what chipset do you have? |
| 00:27.54 | nu- | im gonna try the first dvd first |
| 00:27.59 | nu- | i86 |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | Enverex: i try not to know too much about what those crazy folks do :) |
| 00:28.00 | Vasistha | nu-: well, wireless can be tricky, whether you've got all those cds or dvds or not. If it's possible to have a wired connection during your install, it'd be easier |
| 00:28.05 | Kevin` | nu- I mean for wireles |
| 00:28.13 | nu- | atheros |
| 00:28.17 | Kevin` | mm nice :) |
| 00:28.20 | nu- | =] |
| 00:28.23 | Supaplex | !madwifi |
| 00:28.23 | dpkg | i guess madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 00:28.35 | nu- | i know |
| 00:28.40 | nu- | i prefer ndiswrap insted |
| 00:28.44 | nu- | instead* |
| 00:28.50 | Kevin` | you prefer ndiswrapper to madwifi? |
| 00:28.50 | Supaplex | euuww :P |
| 00:28.53 | Kevin` | are you insane? heh |
| 00:29.01 | nu- | ndiswrapper is so simple 1 |
| 00:29.08 | nu- | takes me less than 30 secs to setup |
| 00:29.10 | Kevin` | madwifi has more features then any other wireless driver i've seen |
| 00:29.13 | Supaplex | [ bang head here ; it's simple ] |
| 00:29.18 | Kevin` | who cares if it taked 40 seconds to set up |
| 00:29.20 | Vasistha | nu-: although chances are, the first CD with your desktop of choice (gnome, kde, or flux) will probably be sufficient to get you going; getting the whole first dvd is probably a bit of a waste of bandwidth |
| 00:29.43 | nu- | Vasistha: so you suggest a net istall? |
| 00:30.18 | mastroDani | solved :) tnx... :) it was only a matter of "i don't know how aptitude works :D |
| 00:30.22 | Zancat | Enverex: did you see what I said above |
| 00:30.25 | Zancat | ? |
| 00:30.37 | mastroDani | good night / day :) |
| 00:30.50 | Enverex | Zancat, No, it was lost in the floods of "UBUNTU COMES OUT EVERY 6 MONTHS!!!!oneoneone" |
| 00:30.57 | lamer007 | is there any known issue with debian, debian 2.6.18-4 kernel and nvidia geforce go 7400 ? |
| 00:31.01 | Kevin` | nu- i've never actually tried a netinstall using an atheros wireless card, even though there's several here (always had wired.), so i'm not sure if they included the driver for it in the instalelr |
| 00:31.11 | Kevin` | nu- could just try it I suppose :) |
| 00:31.39 | Vasistha | nu-: I would suggest (in order of priority) 1) a wired net install, or 2) a wireless net install since it seems like it might be possible/easy with your card, or 3) a disconnected net install, where you just get your base system without connecting to any repos, then get your wireless configured and select your packages after install, or 4) CD iso #1 with your choice of desktop |
| 00:31.44 | Zancat | #ubuntu+1 hasn't moved on to Gutsy Gibbon yet, still Feisty |
| 00:31.45 | nu- | I guess i could =] |
| 00:31.49 | nu- | ok. first ill try with cd1 |
| 00:31.53 | Supaplex | what module(s) do I blacklist to disable oss? |
| 00:31.53 | nu- | if not, then net install |
| 00:32.00 | nu- | and if not, download the dvds |
| 00:32.03 | Enverex | Zancat, They will when it's released though |
| 00:32.15 | *** join/#debian alexscott (n=alexscot@m87.net81-66-199.noos.fr) |
| 00:32.15 | Zancat | I know |
| 00:32.16 | Kevin` | well cd1 will work. |
| 00:32.30 | Kevin` | unless you select odd things |
| 00:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 00:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 00:32.36 | nu- | I thought the other CDs were just software |
| 00:32.45 | Kevin` | they are all just software (mostly) |
| 00:32.59 | Kevin` | just arranged in order of use |
| 00:33.05 | nu- | therefore i don't need them. i need the minimus. python 2.5, ad lamp |
| 00:33.07 | Supaplex | !popcon |
| 00:33.07 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:33.08 | Vasistha | nu-: CD 1 is mostly just software. the net install CD is the only one that isn't mostly software -- it has the base system ;-) |
| 00:33.30 | Zancat | hmm, whats the best way to uninstall gnome? 'apt-get remove gnome'? |
| 00:33.39 | *** join/#debian Catachan (n=Catachan@74.255.97.141) |
| 00:33.48 | stew | Zancat: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 00:33.49 | Kevin` | I think netinstall has a minimal system, not the recommended "base" system |
| 00:33.50 | nu- | Vasistha: ill try if cd1 doesn't work =] |
| 00:33.53 | Kevin` | (by itself) |
| 00:34.04 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 00:34.06 | Supaplex | !remove gnome |
| 00:34.07 | gpm | Supaplex: iirc, i only ever used emu10k1 (for a soundblaster)...is there a master oss module the other ones need? |
| 00:34.07 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 00:34.09 | nu- | be back in few. thanks guys |
| 00:34.11 | Vasistha | nu-: well, CD 1 will almost definitely work. See, my recommendation would be to try the net install first |
| 00:34.17 | Enverex | abrotman, As I said before, they don't do a rolling release :( |
| 00:34.29 | Vasistha | nu-: if CD 1 doesn't work, net install won't be helpful ;-) |
| 00:34.31 | Zancat | ok, i see |
| 00:34.32 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@218-215-132-171.people.net.au) |
| 00:34.46 | Supaplex | gpm: I have that intel 810 or somesuch chipset, and this voip phone isn't using alsa either. *sniff*. |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | Enverex: there's no such thing as a "rolling release" .. you either have a rolling system or a release :) |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | aoss ? |
| 00:35.19 | gpm | Supaplex: huh...i can't remember...this was like 4 years ago :( |
| 00:35.21 | Enverex | abrotman, Close enough, you knew what I meant |
| 00:35.27 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@200.138.22.54) |
| 00:35.37 | Supaplex | gpm: I think I'll blacklist snd_pcm_oss to start. |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | Enverex: gentoo has binary packages also i believe .. dunno if they do that in arolling manner .. |
| 00:36.56 | *** join/#debian Rothgar (n=admin@ppp201-15.static.internode.on.net) |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | Enverex: tried asking ##linux ? |
| 00:36.56 | amphi | Supaplex: that's alsa oss emulation |
| 00:36.56 | Enverex | abrotman, That's a dodgy thing by some third party with very few packages |
| 00:36.56 | gpm | Supaplex: well, that's just oss emulation....if it's not working with also...it might just be because it's not recognizing the alsa drivers (or you don't have all the right ones loaded or...whatever) |
| 00:36.57 | gpm | Supaplex: is that onboard audio? i remember i got so frustrated with that shit i just went and bought a pci card |
| 00:36.57 | Zancat | hmm, would it be wise to remove gnome when OUTside of gnome? |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | Enverex: ah ok |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | 'gnome' is a metapckage |
| 00:37.07 | *** join/#debian HostilePenguin (n=user@c-68-61-112-197.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:37.11 | Supaplex | ahh, snd_intel8x0 > i810_audio |
| 00:37.15 | Enverex | Ok, here's a question, in terms of software versions, how far ahead or behind of Ubuntu Feisty is Sid likely to be? |
| 00:37.39 | Vasistha | Enverex: have you considered slack? |
| 00:37.44 | Supaplex | gpm: no, it's alsa vs oss issue. =) |
| 00:37.46 | ootput | is it nnecessary to alter my interfacess file for xen networkiing? |
| 00:37.54 | gpm | Supaplex: glad you figured it out |
| 00:37.57 | Supaplex | Enverex: linux from scratch. :) |
| 00:37.58 | Enverex | Vasistha, I used it for a while going back some time, never again, heh |
| 00:38.02 | ootput | atm, my machine iis on a lan, getting it's dhcp ip from a rouuter |
| 00:38.08 | Enverex | Stop messing me about, seriously |
| 00:38.29 | concept10 | Enverex, sid is super new. fiesty is only regular new |
| 00:38.32 | ootput | and why is it that the has xen kernel altered type-speed :/ |
| 00:38.36 | gpm | Enverex: sid will generally have higher versions |
| 00:38.42 | *** join/#debian lodder (n=lodder@20.117-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 00:38.51 | Vasistha | Enverex: oh, another thing that comes to mind -- there's this nifty tool that helps you choose a distro ... let me see if I can find the page :D it's fun. It always pins me to debian. |
| 00:38.53 | Enverex | hrm, maybe I'll try out Sid then afterall |
| 00:38.54 | gpm | Enverex: except for gnome....i guess packaging gnome is a full-time job |
| 00:39.06 | ootput | Enverex: i hope you're nnot foldingg on sid |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | Enverex: sid breaks .. sometimes badly |
| 00:39.16 | Enverex | ootput, Why do you say that? |
| 00:39.29 | gpm | !apt-listbugs |
| 00:39.29 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-listbugs is a tool currently specific to sid that queries the BTS (/msg apt bts) for known bugs pertaining to packages you try to install... if you then find the bugs to be serious enough, you may choose to hold the old package untill you know the bug is fixed (/msg apt hold) ... to get it, simply "apt-get install apt-listbugs", its a must have tool for all sid users! |
| 00:39.43 | Enverex | Right so basically my choices are 1) use software like 8 months old or 2) Have a broken system |
| 00:39.47 | ootput | Enverex: i've hadd better results with etch |
| 00:39.47 | Enverex | Those choices suck |
| 00:39.47 | gpm | that's all i ever needed |
| 00:39.50 | gpm | Enverex: awww |
| 00:40.00 | gpm | Enverex: it's not that bad |
| 00:40.08 | *** join/#debian scarface (n=scarface@e179099051.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:40.36 | gpm | at least you don't have to pay |
| 00:40.45 | gpm | and the 8 mos. old stuff is tested and reliable |
| 00:40.47 | gpm | mostly |
| 00:40.48 | gpm | :-P |
| 00:41.06 | ootput | why the hell would xen interfere with key type settings?! |
| 00:41.10 | gpm | not to mention the moral benefits |
| 00:41.14 | amphi | why is debian so _old_? |
| 00:41.20 | gpm | haha |
| 00:41.22 | Enverex | One thing I've noticed about Linux software is that the "old" software is just as buggy as the new "unstable" stuff, they're just different bugs |
| 00:41.25 | gpm | don't feed the troll |
| 00:41.35 | gpm | Enverex: define buggy |
| 00:41.45 | buu | "Don't feed the troll" "define buggy" |
| 00:41.47 | buu | Wow dude. |
| 00:41.49 | amphi | Enverex: you have the code - fix 'em ;) |
| 00:41.54 | Enverex | gpm, Little quirks that you'd think someone would have fixed but never did |
| 00:42.12 | *** join/#debian ny83 (n=unseen@203-214-23-162.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 00:42.15 | gpm | buu: it's one of those days, it's not my fault |
| 00:43.00 | gpm | Enverex: such as... |
| 00:43.05 | Vasistha | Enverex: yeah, sure. The main thing about debian's "stable" branch is that the crash bugs and the security bugs have been mostly taken care of. |
| 00:43.15 | *** join/#debian roger21 (n=roger21@helloworld.homelinux.org) |
| 00:43.18 | roger21 | hello |
| 00:43.25 | Zancat | hmm, should I reboot my system right after gnome has been uninstalled? |
| 00:43.35 | gpm | the thing is, you can't expect software that's been out for a few weeks to run exactly as planned |
| 00:43.39 | Enverex | Vasistha, True, it's the little things that get to me though, thats why I like a rolling system, it may still be buggy but at least I know I have all the cool new features |
| 00:43.41 | roger21 | is it globaly safe to dist upgrade on a sid now ? |
| 00:44.19 | gpm | so yes, with sid you will get the cool features at the expense of a hassle once in a while (though, with listbugs even hassles can be avoided) |
| 00:44.34 | ootput | the thing with bugs is that, more often than not, they're left untreated as either the developerr has lost iinterest inn the project, or there is a prospect of aa fork or code-rewrite that would make bug-fixing unnecessary |
| 00:44.34 | cureless | roger21: what are you upgrading from? |
| 00:44.35 | gpm | roger21: there are some bugs in sid |
| 00:44.52 | ootput | oh damn, this xkb bug is reallyy pissinng me off |
| 00:44.56 | Vasistha | Enverex: as you were noting, using "sid" is like having a "broken system" -- the thing is, with sid, you're relying on package maintainers to keep all the dependencies in tact, and every once in a while someone makes a mistake, or there is some kind of problem upstream, and so something ends up being broken. An alternative is to manage the system yourself, rather than reyling upon the debian package maintainers to do that. |
| 00:45.02 | roger21 | cureless, sid to sid |
| 00:45.03 | *** join/#debian The_Ultimate_Sam (i=austin@ip-citznet-64-184-6-212.citznet.com) |
| 00:45.15 | cureless | roger21: when was your last dist-upgrade? |
| 00:45.27 | roger21 | before etch release |
| 00:45.35 | gpm | roger21: how long before |
| 00:45.49 | gpm | the release was ten days ago |
| 00:45.58 | cureless | roger21: you're probably ok, but it's still sid. |
| 00:46.06 | ootput | and if you're willing to do all the system maintenance & dep handling yourself, that slackware suggestion was a good one |
| 00:46.27 | roger21 | 07/04 exactly |
| 00:46.40 | gpm | well, i would definitely use apt-listbugs |
| 00:46.43 | *** join/#debian The_Ultimate_Sam (i=austin@ip-citznet-64-184-6-212.citznet.com) |
| 00:46.50 | gpm | hold the ones that look dangerous |
| 00:47.03 | ootput | Enverex: are you still active on SM? |
| 00:47.06 | Vasistha | Enverex: for people who don't need super-bleeding-edge features, "testing" is a nice compromise, because stuff is filtered through the "sid" userbase for at least 10 days, so stuff is much less likely to break. But, it's a little older. I mean, any way you go, there's a compromise -- if you use 'experimental', or just manage your own, you'll spend more time maintaining your system -- so there's a trade-off there. I like to spend as little time |
| 00:47.06 | Vasistha | as possible maintaining my system, so I use stable |
| 00:47.30 | ootput | thats also my rationale |
| 00:47.39 | ootput | i used testing prior to this releasee |
| 00:47.50 | ootput | but now that aall the pieces are stabble, i've no need for teesting |
| 00:47.54 | gpm | Vasistha: i think testing is a good place for most people...unless it gets frozen for months on end |
| 00:47.55 | Enverex | ootput, No, I've not been there for years, got sick of a few people and no-one would ever agree with me |
| 00:48.04 | cureless | Enverex: I run unstable on all my desktops, stable on my servers. You're free to run unstable. We just want to make sure you know what you can get yourself into. |
| 00:48.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is there anything to access an HTTP server from command line (not like a browser but like "http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/" to brows the files and such) |
| 00:48.24 | Vasistha | gpm: heh, see... I was on sarge, and waited until etch froze, and then upgraded to etch ;-) |
| 00:48.41 | ootput | Enverex: were most of the old timers still aroound back then? |
| 00:48.44 | cureless | The_Ultimate_Sam: do you want to browse (lynx, linx, etc) or download (wget) ? |
| 00:48.45 | Flimzy | Is it possible to run a single binary in a chroot without copying all of its needed libraries to the chroot? |
| 00:48.56 | *** join/#debian mustmr (i=augusto@201.82.14.212) |
| 00:48.56 | Vasistha | cureless: heh, I'm gonna guess that anyone who ran slack for years will probably be able to handle sid :D |
| 00:49.04 | Enverex | ootput, Well yeah, I was on Icrontic ages before that was hacked and SM was formed |
| 00:49.15 | mustmr | any good tutorials on internet sharing? |
| 00:49.22 | Enverex | cureless, I ran Gentoo for a long time, I'm used to stuff breaking constantly, I just don't want to have to keep fixing it daily |
| 00:49.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | both...access the database, see the files on it, chose which i want to download |
| 00:49.29 | cureless | mustmr: don't keep it to yourself. |
| 00:49.30 | *** join/#debian muhoo (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-59-181.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:49.30 | Vasistha | Flimzy: it depends entirely upon whether the binary depends on libraries |
| 00:49.31 | ootput | Enverex: yeah,, i heard icrontic went activve again |
| 00:49.38 | gpm | Vasistha: the thing is though that slack already comes with most of what you need, so if you survive the install (which isn't that bad) you're basically set |
| 00:49.39 | ootput | Enverex: i was also a member pre-hack |
| 00:49.43 | cureless | The_Ultimate_Sam: try links, links2 or lynx |
| 00:49.45 | Flimzy | Vasistha: Well yes, it does. Or I wouldn't be asking the question. :) |
| 00:50.03 | ootput | but I haven't had the time to o/c or ssetup up f.farms |
| 00:50.16 | ootput | so i kinda withdrew from thhat whole scene |
| 00:50.19 | cureless | The_Ultimate_Sam: or w3m |
| 00:50.24 | amphi | mustmr: tldp.org has some IIRC |
| 00:50.28 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@vsat-148-65-200-206.c012.g4.mrt.starband.net) |
| 00:50.37 | amphi | mustmr: netfilter.org has the definitive iptables docs |
| 00:50.44 | mustmr | ok |
| 00:50.45 | Enverex | ootput, I got sick of a few people that acted nice but were nasty truly, after the amount of effort I put in too |
| 00:50.49 | cureless | Enverex: well, in the case of unstable/testing it normally just breaks when you try to upgrade (noooormally) |
| 00:51.18 | Flimzy | Vasistha: And never mind. I just realized that would entirely defeat the purpose of what I'm trying to do anyway. |
| 00:51.20 | Enverex | cureless, heh, I was just supprised that I was running Feisty 3 months before release and never ran into any issues until like, yesterday, lol |
| 00:51.24 | Vasistha | what's that app called that just makes your box into a gateway or a router or whatever so it can share with one other box? I know there's an app that does that, it's a simple package install and then it just works. (for mustmr) |
| 00:51.34 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@207-172-134-62.c3-0.wth-ubr2.sbo-wth.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 00:51.41 | mustmr | firestarter? |
| 00:51.46 | karsten | Flimzy: You might be able to play with union mounts as well. |
| 00:51.51 | Vasistha | mustmr: I don't think so |
| 00:52.13 | cureless | Enverex: I've been running unstable for a few years now, haven't had too many (big) breaks. But it varies by person/luck. |
| 00:52.16 | karsten | Flimzy: There are a few tools for building chroot jails. And I suppose that thsi is related to your earlier question about copying a binary and all its deps. |
| 00:52.32 | Flimzy | karsten: yeah |
| 00:52.33 | Enverex | cureless, How quickly do issues get fixed on Debian in general? I was kinda impressed that I filed a minor bug about an icon missing in the game Ri-Li on Ubuntu, it was looked at that day, triaged and fixed the next day, lol |
| 00:52.44 | freetos | do you think debian would add packages like beryl and aiglx for it's next update, or am i supposed to do it with the howto's |
| 00:52.46 | karsten | Flimzy: s/union mount/bind mount/ |
| 00:52.58 | *** join/#debian joeljkp (n=joeljkp@host-64-139-243-252.nctv.com) |
| 00:53.00 | gpm | Enverex: that varies by developer i think |
| 00:53.06 | cureless | Enverex: it depends sometimes they get fixed before you're able to file a report, others might never get fixed (if they're not considered that important) |
| 00:53.19 | Enverex | erk |
| 00:53.24 | joeljkp | ok, so i'm trying to figure out the best way to install etch; i have sarge on a server with a floppy drive and a non-working cdrom |
| 00:53.32 | freetos | never mind i kind a like the 2D |
| 00:53.33 | cureless | Enverex: at any rate, your job would be to file a bug report if you find a bug |
| 00:53.43 | karsten | Flimzy: jailtool, jailer, noshell, schroot, may help you. |
| 00:53.52 | joeljkp | does anyone have any suggestions about floppy install or hdd install? |
| 00:53.53 | gpm | joeljkp: modify sources.list as necessary and dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:53.53 | Flimzy | karsten: okay, thanks |
| 00:53.57 | karsten | Flimzy: apt-cache search chroot | grep -v ^lib | sort | less |
| 00:54.07 | joeljkp | gpm: yeah, i'm worried about cruft, i like fresh starts |
| 00:54.14 | joeljkp | gpm: does it work well? |
| 00:54.16 | cureless | joeljkp: do you have free disk space? |
| 00:54.19 | gpm | joeljkp: ooooooooh...diskless install has worked for me in the past. |
| 00:54.22 | karsten | joeljkp: yeah. Read the install manual |
| 00:54.29 | joeljkp | cureless: yeah, loads |
| 00:54.30 | gpm | joeljkp: couldn't tell you, i'm on sid |
| 00:54.54 | cureless | joeljkp: install in a separate partition with debbootstrap, or just boot off of usb. |
| 00:55.14 | joeljkp | cureless: yeah, it's 1 partition, no usb booting |
| 00:55.15 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@ip70-185-168-242.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 00:55.24 | gpm | floppy should be fine |
| 00:55.29 | joeljkp | cureless: the hdd install sounds good, but i'm confused by the instructions |
| 00:55.34 | *** join/#debian LeFallen (n=fallen@mail.stabat.com) |
| 00:55.57 | cureless | joeljkp: with one partition it's not going to be easy. |
| 00:55.58 | gpm | joeljkp: is that the diskless one? i think you just copy the kernel image and boot it when grub comes up...from there it's a normal d-i |
| 00:56.05 | *** join/#debian scarface (n=scarface@e179099051.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 00:56.18 | joeljkp | gpm: same interface as normal? |
| 00:56.21 | Enverex | cureless, One last thing, on Gentoo I noticed that lots of applications lacked .desktop files so had no Gnome/KDE menu shortcuts, with Ubuntu a lot more (almost all) do. Which side is Debian on? |
| 00:56.22 | gpm | iirc |
| 00:56.32 | Vasistha | Enverex: the other thing that you have to keep in mind about ubuntu: it seems very nice right now, but it is being funded by one guy, who has hired all these employees, and they don't have any business model. Nobody knows what's going to happen if/when Shuttleworth steps down or runs out of money |
| 00:56.45 | cureless | Enverex: ubuntu is based on debian. |
| 00:56.46 | *** join/#debian Nemoder (n=Nemoder@68-116-29-29.static.wnch.wa.charter.com) |
| 00:56.56 | karsten | Enverex: Ubuntu has inherited Debian's menu system. |
| 00:57.06 | nu- | Let me ask a question: does the home folder hide the program folders? |
| 00:57.08 | joeljkp | gpm: oh, i forgot, i don't have any floppies |
| 00:57.11 | Enverex | Vasistha, Yeah, that did always bother me |
| 00:57.14 | karsten | Enverex: Pretty much any installed package will get menu listings in _any_ windowmanager. |
| 00:57.21 | Enverex | karsten, Yeah, I wasn't sure how much they'd changed |
| 00:57.22 | cureless | Enverex: the reason why packages take a while to make it to testing, or should I say for releases to happen is because packages have to meet certain criteria, that includes man pages and (sometimes) menu entries. |
| 00:57.23 | gpm | joeljkp: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 00:57.23 | gnubee | anyone here who has successfuly get a vmware guest to keep it's clock running in sync with the host? |
| 00:57.26 | scarface | Is it possible to install the basic X packages and a custom window manager (something else then gnome kde etc)? if yes, whats the packages names? |
| 00:57.30 | Vasistha | nu-: what do you mean, "hide"? Do you mean, hide your configuration settings for different apps? |
| 00:57.32 | gpm | pretty straightforward i think |
| 00:57.33 | karsten | Vasistha: That said, he's got a billion or so in the bank. |
| 00:57.48 | Vasistha | karsten: well, thus the "or" clause ;-) |
| 00:57.51 | nu- | Vasistha: yes. when you apt-get an app |
| 00:58.03 | nu- | it creates a config folder in ~. does debian hide them? |
| 00:58.06 | karsten | !tell Enverex about menu |
| 00:58.15 | joeljkp | gpm: in that section, where do i get these initrd.gz and linux files it mentions? |
| 00:58.18 | karsten | Enverex: Menu is driven by policy as well. So it's pretty much required. |
| 00:58.23 | karsten | scarface: Yes. |
| 00:58.30 | cureless | Vasistha: actually he owns 65% of impi Linux, based on ubuntu, which does sell stuff. |
| 00:58.36 | Enverex | I like Ubuntu, it's nice that it "just works" but you kinda feel like a bit too much is shoved on you, added to the whole "retard" userbase and it can get a bit annoying |
| 00:58.43 | karsten | scarface: x-window-system + wm of your choice + any apps. |
| 00:58.54 | scarface | karsten: I remember there is a package which contains only the main x window system |
| 00:58.54 | karsten | !tell scarface about install x |
| 00:58.56 | *** join/#debian Avochelm (n=damo@gw-morphett.koalatelecom.com.au) |
| 00:59.03 | Enverex | Hence why I'm looking into Debian, heh |
| 00:59.03 | scarface | karsten: ahh there |
| 00:59.21 | Vasistha | nu-: config folders that sit in your home folder usually have names that begin with a dot '.' and thus they are "hidden". They can be viewed with ls -a or ls -A, and if you want to see them in a gui, there's probably a setting somewhere to do it there. That's not so much a debianism as it is a common unixy practice |
| 00:59.22 | nu- | Vasistha: so, doea it? :) |
| 00:59.33 | joeljkp | gpm: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 00:59.47 | karsten | Enverex: Ubuntu is very much nearly just Debian with a number of preconfigured package selections (and a few other tweaks). Very nearly all the fundamentals are the same. Specifics differ. The init system (upstart) is among the bigger tweaks. |
| 00:59.55 | *** join/#debian scrumptious (i=numist@freenode/staff/scott) |
| 00:59.57 | scarface | karsten: whats the difference between x-window-system-core and x-window-system |
| 01:00.07 | karsten | scarface: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 01:00.12 | Enverex | karsten, Cool, that's a little more reassuring. |
| 01:00.22 | Enverex | What's the state of x86_64 on Debian btw? |
| 01:00.28 | gpm | joeljkp: hold on |
| 01:00.42 | Vasistha | Enverex: it was officially released, and is officially supported |
| 01:00.48 | cureless | offtopic: is anybody here an amazing C/network/kernel programmer looking for a job (in California)? msg me |
| 01:01.16 | karsten | scarface: Looks like x-window-system provides both, IIUC. |
| 01:01.25 | Enverex | Vasistha, Any "issues" though? |
| 01:01.37 | gpm | joeljkp: i foudnd it before |
| 01:01.54 | Enverex | Vasistha, I remember Wine was a pain to compile, some emulators wouldn't compile/work, Flash was a pain, no w32codecs... |
| 01:01.58 | karsten | scarface: what you want to look at is the deps. |
| 01:02.10 | Vasistha | Enverex: those issues will probably remain with you :P |
| 01:02.24 | gpm | joeljkp: http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:02.28 | Vasistha | Enverex: growing pains are most painfully felt by early adopters, right? :P |
| 01:02.32 | gpm | or the equivalent on your mirror of choice |
| 01:02.32 | nu- | so does debian hide config folders in the home directory? |
| 01:02.34 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@206-248-171-214.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:02.42 | Enverex | Vasistha, Early? This was like 2 years ago :/ |
| 01:02.47 | scarface | karsten: looks like they are the same? how do I check the deps? |
| 01:02.50 | karsten | Enverex: You may be able to run most of those in an x86_32 chroot though. Just met with a developer at $JOB regarding 32/64 bit issues on Solaris. |
| 01:02.52 | Vasistha | nu-: I think the answer is "yes". *every* distro does. |
| 01:02.55 | Enverex | Is anyone here actually using Sid? |
| 01:02.58 | karsten | scarface: command I gave you. Read the output. |
| 01:03.00 | gpm | Enverex: yes |
| 01:03.08 | joeljkp | gpm: hmm, but it says linux, no vmlinuz |
| 01:03.09 | cureless | Enverex: me |
| 01:03.09 | Madsy | nu-: Debian doesn't. Application do. |
| 01:03.13 | karsten | nu-: dotfiles are an ancient Unix tradition. |
| 01:03.14 | nu- | Vasistha: thanks. and no, i remember suse not doing it |
| 01:03.16 | Madsy | Applications* |
| 01:03.25 | joeljkp | gpm: netboot/debian-installer/i386/linux |
| 01:03.41 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=cwv@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 01:03.42 | gpm | i'm looking at joeljkp that's the name of the director |
| 01:03.42 | Vasistha | nu-: do you usually use a GUI tool to look at your files? |
| 01:03.42 | Enverex | hmm, if I want a rolling system though I need to use Sid don't I |
| 01:03.48 | gpm | joeljkp: anyway the files you want are vmlinuz and initrd.gz |
| 01:03.53 | gpm | those ones work, i've used 'em before |
| 01:03.55 | Vasistha | Enverex: depends how quickly you want it to roll ;-) |
| 01:03.57 | scarface | karsten: they are the same for both packages: xorg |
| 01:04.01 | cureless | Enverex: you can use testing, personally I don't like testing. |
| 01:04.03 | gpm | no harm in putting them into grub/lilo and trying your luck |
| 01:04.03 | joeljkp | gpm: gtk or regular? |
| 01:04.08 | gpm | worst case you're back at square 1 |
| 01:04.12 | gpm | regular for me |
| 01:04.18 | gpm | i don't mind a menu-installer |
| 01:04.19 | joeljkp | gpm: what's gtk, graphical? |
| 01:04.21 | gpm | i don't know about the gtk |
| 01:04.23 | gpm | i think so |
| 01:04.25 | gpm | haven't tried it though |
| 01:04.25 | Enverex | cureless, Yes but testing seems to have names which indicates specific releases... thus not rolling |
| 01:04.28 | joeljkp | gpm: k |
| 01:04.31 | joeljkp | gpm: i'll give it a shot |
| 01:04.46 | cureless | Enverex: not true. testing itself rolls, the names don't. |
| 01:04.48 | gpm | testing works as a rolling system with some safety |
| 01:04.52 | karsten | scarface: Hint: there's some 23,000+ packages available for my ssytem. I don't know the specific deps for each. However apt-cache show packagename will show you what you need to know. |
| 01:04.59 | gpm | joeljkp: good luck |
| 01:05.03 | gpm | it's pretty cool when it works |
| 01:05.03 | karsten | scarface: You're going to have to do your own homework. |
| 01:05.04 | cureless | Enverex: though testing close to release and testing after release is a big jump. |
| 01:05.06 | Vasistha | well, testing doesn't really roll much when it freezes :P |
| 01:05.13 | Enverex | cureless, ahh |
| 01:05.13 | gpm | one of the cooler install methods |
| 01:05.19 | cureless | Vasistha: at some points neither does unstable. |
| 01:05.34 | gpm | yes, that damn freezing process |
| 01:05.59 | *** join/#debian gravity (n=david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:06.04 | Enverex | cureless, Erm, which install CD do I want for Unstable? |
| 01:06.24 | Enverex | cureless, Sorry, Unstable x86_64 |
| 01:06.24 | cureless | Enverex: doesn't matter, use Etch, then "upgrade" to unstable. |
| 01:06.32 | *** join/#debian ulf_k (n=ulf_k@p54bd3785.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:06.32 | Enverex | cureless, ah, k |
| 01:06.34 | Vasistha | Enverex: probably the net install |
| 01:06.41 | cureless | Enverex: in that case any x86_64. |
| 01:06.49 | *** join/#debian wimpies (n=u19809@cable-195-162-217-169.upc.chello.be) |
| 01:07.14 | *** part/#debian roger21 (n=roger21@helloworld.homelinux.org) |
| 01:07.16 | Enverex | I don't see any mention of x86_64... anywhere... |
| 01:07.31 | Enverex | DUH |
| 01:07.32 | cureless | anywhere where? |
| 01:07.33 | Enverex | Ignore me |
| 01:07.44 | wimpies | I use kubuntu on my desktop and there you have version 5.2.1 for php. debian on my server still has 5.2.0. Is there some package for the 5.2.1 version ? |
| 01:07.50 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 01:07.57 | gpm | Enverex: you want a businesscard image |
| 01:08.07 | Vasistha | Enverex: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 01:08.09 | gpm | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:08.14 | gpm | Vasistha: not for sid |
| 01:08.22 | Enverex | I know, I already have it, heh |
| 01:08.24 | *** join/#debian Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:08.31 | gpm | Enverex: get the businesscard image |
| 01:08.32 | Vasistha | oops |
| 01:08.39 | Enverex | gpm, Erm, how come? |
| 01:09.10 | gpm | Enverex: otherwise you're going to be downloading an iso full of packages that will soon be outdated for your needs |
| 01:09.16 | gpm | even the netinstall |
| 01:09.31 | gpm | businesscard is just the bare minimum |
| 01:09.32 | Enverex | gpm, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso ? |
| 01:09.39 | Vasistha | Enverex: I think you want ia64 for intel, or amd64 for ... uh, you get the picture. |
| 01:09.52 | Enverex | Vasistha, I know my arch :P |
| 01:10.04 | *** join/#debian gh0zt (n=ghozt@58.41.95.219.brf01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 01:10.08 | gpm | Enverex: should work well... |
| 01:10.19 | gpm | Enverex: or, if you're already on linux you could try the hd install |
| 01:10.48 | Enverex | I'll stick with the CD, at least I have something to boot from in future |
| 01:11.07 | *** join/#debian wols_ (n=klingens@p549DE9D6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:11.12 | gpm | Enverex: haha, with sid, that's a good choice |
| 01:11.13 | gpm | :-P |
| 01:11.21 | Caelum | I'm getting this error from exim: "** rkitover@walmart.com: all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" but host -t mx <domain> shows hosts that work fine from my machine |
| 01:11.34 | Enverex | I still use the Gentoo CDs for maintenance though, must better terminal |
| 01:11.50 | gpm | Enverex: yeah, the debian is a pretty barebones resuce cd |
| 01:11.57 | gpm | you could always make your own rescue cd |
| 01:11.58 | Vasistha | Enverex: I like timo's rescue cd myself, dunno if you've ever tried it |
| 01:12.00 | gpm | with X and stuff |
| 01:12.20 | Caelum | knoppix makes a great rescue cd, and it's debian based |
| 01:12.20 | Vasistha | and of course tom's root boot :D |
| 01:12.26 | Enverex | Oh the Gentoo one is just a terminal, but it's well picked colours so you can actually see what you're doing, heh |
| 01:12.42 | *** join/#debian ofer (n=ofer0x@unaffiliated/ofer0) |
| 01:12.49 | gpm | Enverex: well, iirc gentoo is bash too |
| 01:12.49 | mustmr | how do i set mtu value permanently? |
| 01:12.50 | gpm | not ash |
| 01:12.59 | gpm | or whatever d-i has |
| 01:13.01 | gpm | that sucks |
| 01:13.07 | gpm | or rather, is limited |
| 01:13.09 | Ash-Fox | Not I |
| 01:13.50 | Enverex | gpm, Yeah its bash, but the way its set up by default makes it easier to see what's going on |
| 01:13.57 | Enverex | Anyway, bed time, I cant see anything anymore |
| 01:14.01 | gpm | haha |
| 01:14.04 | gpm | good luck |
| 01:14.12 | BUMBACL0T | ok, im editing /etc/fstab right, under <pass>, what should i put? |
| 01:14.22 | Enverex | Thanks all, back tommorow (I'm not tired, I have a virus and my eyes look like they are glowing red) |
| 01:14.22 | Caelum | mustmr: put mtu whatever in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | man fstab |
| 01:14.24 | sword | mustmr: /etc/network/interfaces, man 5 interfaces |
| 01:14.26 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 01:14.36 | mustmr | thanks |
| 01:14.56 | *** join/#debian CompWizd (i=compwiz@d57-66-0.home.cgocable.net) |
| 01:15.00 | *** join/#debian spikeb (i=spikeb@71-83-47-147.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) |
| 01:16.33 | *** join/#debian stevepastelan (n=stevepas@CPE0048548bdd27-CM0012c90d0f8c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:16.48 | maddash | is dpkg alive? |
| 01:16.55 | karsten | !test |
| 01:16.56 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:16.57 | maddash | !hi there |
| 01:16.57 | pearl | yes |
| 01:17.03 | karsten | maddash: I guess not. |
| 01:17.09 | maddash | %hi |
| 01:17.10 | badgers | hello, maddash |
| 01:17.20 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, didn't say anything about <pass> |
| 01:17.49 | mustmr | ok, i've made some progress trying to share my internet connection |
| 01:17.50 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: if i go and read it .. and find it .. will you leave and never come back? :) |
| 01:18.08 | mustmr | when i try to ping an external address from remote pc, it reads the address |
| 01:18.10 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, ok, old head |
| 01:18.13 | mustmr | but it doesn't ping |
| 01:18.14 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:18.17 | mustmr | what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:18.26 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: i suggest you read it again |
| 01:20.02 | *** join/#debian ozymandias (n=bah@dhcp-82-214-161-205.cf-res.cfu.net) |
| 01:20.35 | cafuego | BUMBACL0T: Specifically, the second-last paragraph about The sixth field, (fs_passno). |
| 01:20.48 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 01:21.03 | _ericb | I've setted up a bridge successfully with brclt, it works fine, but anyone have a clue on which manpage I should consult on how to make it persistent ? |
| 01:21.14 | *** part/#debian Nemoder (n=Nemoder@68-116-29-29.static.wnch.wa.charter.com) |
| 01:21.20 | cafuego | _ericb: You just add the pridge in interfaces (5) |
| 01:21.24 | cafuego | bridge |
| 01:21.46 | dvs | fridge? |
| 01:21.56 | cafuego | tridge! |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | troll |
| 01:22.30 | _ericb | interfaces(5) don't mention bridges and which command are used to create the bridge in the interface file |
| 01:22.39 | *** join/#debian netw (n=geek@201-3-232-18.fnsce7004.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 01:23.05 | maddash | what's brclt? |
| 01:23.17 | abrotman | maddash: a body part? |
| 01:23.19 | _ericb | man interfaces only talk about iface, auto, allow- and mapping |
| 01:23.24 | abrotman | !find bridge etch |
| 01:23.25 | cafuego | brctl you mean? |
| 01:23.25 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'bridge' (6): bookmarkbridge ;; bridge-utils ;; latex-bridge ;; libgconf-bridge-dev ;; libgconf-bridge0 ;; meterbridge. |
| 01:23.31 | abrotman | install bridge-utils |
| 01:23.37 | _ericb | I already have it |
| 01:23.41 | _ericb | and my bridge is working |
| 01:23.44 | _ericb | I want it persitent |
| 01:24.19 | _ericb | man brctl don't mention any file at the end |
| 01:24.26 | *** join/#debian pinktaco (n=quad3d@72.183.114.200) |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | you can set it in the interfaces file |
| 01:24.41 | _ericb | how ? |
| 01:24.49 | karsten | _ericb: Add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces for it. |
| 01:25.02 | Zancat | ugh, is there anyway to skip x server at boot? not entering a GUI? |
| 01:25.04 | _ericb | ok but which command to use |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | _ericb: i had to use it for qemu imges .. google "qemu bridge debian" |
| 01:25.11 | dondelelcaro | !nox |
| 01:25.12 | Supaplex | !tell Zancat -about nodm |
| 01:25.20 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: nox is <reply> see nodm |
| 01:25.20 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:25.21 | cafuego | iface br0 inet static |
| 01:25.33 | _ericb | br0.. what is this |
| 01:25.33 | karsten | _ericb: Iether as a preexec/postexec for another interface, or as its own interface with appropriate preup/postdown commands. I sorted this out once, no longer use that particular config. |
| 01:25.34 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | hehe .. i thought he meant the amd64 nox |
| 01:25.40 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: =:-) |
| 01:25.40 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.46 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=ubuntu@wifi.tel-ott.com) |
| 01:25.52 | _ericb | pre-up ? hmm gotta read about that |
| 01:25.53 | _ericb | ok |
| 01:26.00 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 01:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 762] by debhelper |
| 01:26.00 | Supaplex | pppoe_dude: are you using ubuntu? |
| 01:26.09 | cafuego | You can just add commands that need running |
| 01:26.12 | magyar | anyone has a clue how to use radutils |
| 01:26.12 | abrotman | Supaplex: why would you say that ? |
| 01:26.13 | pppoe_dude | Supaplex: yes atm coz theres no network in debian |
| 01:26.20 | karsten | _ericb: My thought at the time thoug was that bridged networking was sufficiently cool (and network device proliferation becoming sufficiently large) that this would be a posssibly useful default config. |
| 01:26.23 | Supaplex | his ident. |
| 01:26.33 | pppoe_dude | so any ideas on how to get intel 2200 wireless cards working in etch? |
| 01:26.37 | _ericb | cafuego you mean in interfaces you can put commands pre-up and thoses commands will get executed |
| 01:26.38 | *** join/#debian xjkx (n=x@201008224224.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 01:26.53 | karsten | _ericb: s. |
| 01:26.59 | xjkx | hi |
| 01:27.00 | cafuego | _ericb: Yup. pre-up, post-up, up, post-down, pre-down and down. |
| 01:27.01 | karsten | _ericb: Yes, even. |
| 01:27.02 | Vasistha | Zancat: I skip the DM by taking it out of one of the runlevels; then I can run that one if I want from the grub menu |
| 01:27.04 | pppoe_dude | i looked for the module but couldn't find it (iw220?) |
| 01:27.08 | pppoe_dude | *2200 |
| 01:27.09 | maddash | pppoe_dude: ipw220 |
| 01:27.09 | _ericb | wow |
| 01:27.18 | Supaplex | pppoe_dude: apt-cache search ipw2200 shows a few here. |
| 01:27.26 | maddash | pppoe_dude: ipw2200 -- and don't forget to download the firmware |
| 01:27.29 | karsten | _ericb: man interfaces |
| 01:27.35 | _ericb | yeah I just saw it |
| 01:27.39 | Supaplex | pppoe_dude: eg ipw2200-modules-`uname -r` |
| 01:27.49 | xjkx | i have a mp3 and i would like to play a video...it doesnt accept avi, i have o use a software to convert, but the CD has a software for windows only, is there a debian software on apt-get which i can convert to the format the mp4 would understand? |
| 01:27.56 | pppoe_dude | i see |
| 01:27.57 | xjkx | s/mp3/mp4 |
| 01:28.10 | xjkx | mp4 player, the hardware i mean |
| 01:28.11 | xjkx | :D |
| 01:28.13 | karsten | !tell xjkx about win32codecs |
| 01:28.20 | xjkx | no... |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | !ipw2200 install |
| 01:28.24 | pppoe_dude | maddash: firmware? how tricky will that be? i remeber in Sarge i had to do a lot of work to get it working... is it easier now? |
| 01:28.25 | maddash | karsten: i don't think w32codecs handles mp4 |
| 01:28.27 | abrotman | !ipw2100 install |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:28.36 | karsten | maddash: Something does. |
| 01:28.42 | magyar | anyone has a clue how to use raidutils? |
| 01:28.44 | Supaplex | hunt for keys abrotman :) |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 01:28.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:28.54 | Supaplex | yippie |
| 01:29.04 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: cool |
| 01:29.04 | freetos | http://www.debuntu.org/2006/03/27/9-how-to-ipw2200-getting-intel-pro-wireless-2200-bg-to-work-on-debian-ubuntu |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | better than |
| 01:29.09 | abrotman | !ipw2200smite Supaplex |
| 01:29.17 | pppoe_dude | i thought i installed kernel 2.6.18 |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | and no .. i ididn't make that one |
| 01:29.25 | maddash | wtf is an ipw2200smite? |
| 01:29.31 | pppoe_dude | or maybe it was 2.6-18? :S |
| 01:29.33 | abrotman | !ipw2200smite maddash |
| 01:29.36 | Supaplex | but there's no supaplex-source |
| 01:29.39 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 01:29.47 | pppoe_dude | :P |
| 01:29.47 | maddash | !smite maddash |
| 01:29.52 | karsten | xjkx: Kevin`xine or mplayer should play that stright out of the box IIRC. |
| 01:29.54 | Caelum | where's the main config file for exim that reads the stuff in conf.d? |
| 01:29.57 | pppoe_dude | anyway, thanks for the help ill try to get this to work |
| 01:30.31 | xjkx | http://img.mercadolivre.com.br/jm/img?s=MLB&f=46449056_2821.jpg&v=O (this is a mp4) and i want to play videos ON the mp4, but it doesnt accept avi, it accepts a crazy format only, i didnt explain well first time |
| 01:30.54 | drwahl | supaplex: since the publishing of the human genome, there is a source for everyone :) |
| 01:31.09 | xjkx | w32codecs will surely not help |
| 01:31.11 | xjkx | :P |
| 01:31.12 | Zancat | great, looks like I'll have to reinstall |
| 01:31.24 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 01:31.25 | *** join/#debian mike1_ (n=mike@ip-58-28-144-108.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 01:31.33 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: was that factoid accurate? |
| 01:31.51 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: coz i have 2.6.18 installed, and afaik it doesn't have it |
| 01:31.52 | Supaplex | drwahl: let me know when you get that working with module-assistant. |
| 01:32.03 | pppoe_dude | although i was thinking it was iw2200 while searching... |
| 01:32.10 | pppoe_dude | i should probably restart and try it out |
| 01:32.14 | drwahl | Supaplex: already working on it... |
| 01:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 01:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 01:32.38 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200 |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | that should be it |
| 01:32.49 | maddash | xjkx: as karsten suggested before, mplayer does mp4 out of the box |
| 01:32.49 | xjkx | karsten, get it? :> |
| 01:32.56 | Caelum | never mind |
| 01:32.57 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: run that and it should recognise it? |
| 01:33.04 | karsten | xjkx: Sorry, not listening. |
| 01:33.04 | abrotman | if you load the module and get the firmware |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 01:33.07 | dpkg | [ipw2200] a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 01:33.10 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-208-107.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 01:33.11 | pppoe_dude | lol |
| 01:33.13 | abrotman | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 01:33.13 | dpkg | ipw2200 firmware is, like, If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | got it ? |
| 01:33.19 | maddash | abrotman: spam? |
| 01:33.23 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: i have kernel 2.6.18 |
| 01:33.26 | xjkx | madclicker, i cant install mplayer on the mp4 lol |
| 01:33.31 | maddash | abrotman: "%tell [blah]"? |
| 01:33.36 | nn-laptop | abrotman, your here a lot you want a ssh Acount on to my server |
| 01:33.36 | xjkx | i think you guys are not understanding :P |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | maddash: i don't trust him to msg the bot :) |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | !tell nn-laptop about shell access |
| 01:33.48 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: i got it, but im thinking if all that is necessary if i am running kernel 2.6.18 |
| 01:33.48 | xjkx | i need a converter not a player |
| 01:33.57 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: you still need it |
| 01:34.00 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 01:34.04 | pppoe_dude | thanks |
| 01:34.15 | *** join/#debian helfrez (n=helfrez@166-82-112-51.quickclick.ctc.net) |
| 01:34.17 | maddash | xjkx: mediacoder -- run it under wine |
| 01:34.49 | xjkx | :> |
| 01:34.55 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: then why does the first factoid say that it is built into 2.6.18 kernels? |
| 01:35.12 | pppoe_dude | and that if my "kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed" |
| 01:35.20 | *** join/#debian NsOmNiAc (n=nsomniac@adsl-75-32-168-35.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | !find ipw2200 etch |
| 01:35.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'ipw2200' (11 of 19): ipw2200-modules-2.6-486 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-686-bigmem ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-amd64 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-k7 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-vserver-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-vserver-k7 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-xen-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6-xen-vserver-686 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-486 ;; ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-686. |
| 01:35.26 | Vasistha | xjkx: well, mplayer also comes with mencoder, which can probably do what you want |
| 01:35.47 | Vasistha | xjkx: you should ask about it in #mplayer ... also read their /topic faq |
| 01:35.49 | pppoe_dude | so that last one looks good? |
| 01:35.57 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p54A7A7A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:36.10 | xjkx | maybe mp4 is not popular there with the same name, mp4 here is like an ipod, got it? Mplayer wont help, trust me |
| 01:36.19 | xjkx | the "ipod" has its own player |
| 01:36.22 | pppoe_dude | k, im gonne save this log, reboot into debian, try things out and come back if things don't work |
| 01:36.29 | pppoe_dude | thanks!! |
| 01:36.37 | *** join/#debian hatter (n=hatter@193.25.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 01:36.39 | karsten | xjkx: So "mp4" is a seperate device, audio player type thing? |
| 01:36.49 | xjkx | YES ! |
| 01:36.50 | karsten | xjkx: Why don't you restate your question then. |
| 01:36.50 | xjkx | :P |
| 01:36.52 | Vasistha | xjkx: yes, mp4 is the format ipod uses. uhh, I can play mp4 with mplayer, and I believe mencoder can probably encode it, too, got it? |
| 01:37.01 | karsten | Vasistha: Wait. |
| 01:37.08 | xjkx | i tried |
| 01:37.19 | maddash | xjkx: MediaCoder under wine |
| 01:37.23 | K|NgGh0sT | I used dist-upgrade, and when I rebooted X starts but all I get is a black screen, Xorg.conf is http://pastebin.ca/446497 and my Xorg.0.log is http://pastebin.ca/446499. I've tried commenting out Int 10, and it did noy fix anything. I updated the Nvidia drivers to match the new Kernel aswell. |
| 01:37.24 | junix6591 | hi is there no smp kernel image for etch?! |
| 01:37.25 | hatter | If i want to keep some servers on sarge, should security.debian.org have sarge/updates in sources.list ? |
| 01:37.29 | karsten | xjkx: One more time. I'm busy, don't want to deal with scrollback. |
| 01:37.33 | karsten | junix6591: They're all SMP. |
| 01:37.41 | maddash | junix6591: SMP is included by default |
| 01:37.43 | streuner | junix6591: all etch kernel have SMP by default |
| 01:37.43 | joeljkp | ok, so apparently the installer doesn't have the 8139too module? |
| 01:37.55 | karsten | hatter: yes, sarge will get security updates for ~18 months or so. |
| 01:37.58 | junix6591 | karsten: but there is no kernel image with the -smp |
| 01:38.03 | hatter | karsten: thx |
| 01:38.10 | maddash | junix6591: it's already SMP |
| 01:38.11 | karsten | junix6591: What part of "they're all SMP" don't you understand? |
| 01:38.19 | dvs | junix6591: that makes no sense if they all are smp |
| 01:38.26 | karsten | junix6591: Download a kernel package and check the config file. |
| 01:38.29 | junix6591 | karsten: i'm just surprised by that |
| 01:38.33 | junix6591 | that is new |
| 01:38.39 | karsten | junix6591: Yes, it is new. |
| 01:38.48 | junix6591 | ok i will install it |
| 01:38.58 | junix6591 | i jsut upgraded from Sarge so.... |
| 01:39.04 | dvs | smp or non-smp version? ;-) |
| 01:39.10 | junix6591 | smp :-P |
| 01:39.19 | xjkx | karsten, its just confusing nevermind :P |
| 01:39.24 | junix6591 | it made a difference on 2.6.8 :p |
| 01:39.27 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i got a new harddrive right, and my current drive is running out of space, so i want to transfer everything from my current drive to my new one, is there any way to do this? |
| 01:39.47 | drwahl | What video card you you using? |
| 01:40.02 | maddash | BUMBACL0T: man cp |
| 01:40.20 | BUMBACL0T | maddash, not just copy, i want to boot from it |
| 01:40.21 | K|NgGh0sT | BUMBACL0T, just put the drives in LVM and be happy |
| 01:40.31 | BUMBACL0T | so itll be my primary drive |
| 01:40.48 | helfrez | anyone know a magic spell to cast to get multimedia keys working in etch w/kde |
| 01:40.48 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: what video card are you using? |
| 01:41.02 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: There's a howto on the topic. Find it and read it. |
| 01:41.05 | helfrez | lineakd wasn't much help |
| 01:41.06 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, nvidia FX5900 |
| 01:41.07 | *** join/#debian adultswim (n=keith@c-71-63-10-1.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 01:41.19 | *** join/#debian dolmans (n=simon@219.142.192.187) |
| 01:41.26 | joeljkp | so how can i do a hdd install with 1 partition? |
| 01:41.28 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html |
| 01:41.42 | nn-laptop | abrotman, what is rong with shell access |
| 01:41.45 | maddash | BUMBACL0T: dd |
| 01:41.49 | dvs | joeljkp: it is possible if you want a swap file |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | nn-laptop: don't offer ANYONE on irc a shell on your box |
| 01:42.09 | karsten | joeljkp: Do an install. Specify only one partition. Use a swapfile. |
| 01:42.38 | sparr | can anyone recommend a program that can display jpegs one at a time and let me delete or skip each one, with minimal delays? |
| 01:42.39 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: what kernel are you running? |
| 01:42.49 | Vasistha | xjkx: is this your question: "how do i make videos for my ipod? or other video device?" |
| 01:42.49 | mike1_ | 3 partitions1 |
| 01:43.00 | karsten | sparr: konqueror |
| 01:43.26 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl. Linux slutb0x 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:43.26 | karsten | sparr: How many images? |
| 01:43.26 | nn-laptop | whell how do i allow people to scp if they dont have shell access / login |
| 01:43.33 | joeljkp | dvs, karsten: i mean install from hdd |
| 01:43.36 | mike1_ | err |
| 01:43.38 | junix6591 | btw, i'm getting a can't authenticate on my etch system |
| 01:43.48 | dondelelcaro | nn-laptop: you can't, but you can use rssh so they can only scp. |
| 01:43.54 | karsten | nn-laptop: I believe the advice was "don't offer random people on IRC shell on your box". |
| 01:43.58 | Talisker | OK, I got my problem solved, thought I'd share the solution I found if you are interested |
| 01:44.04 | karsten | joeljkp: chroot install |
| 01:44.09 | karsten | !tell joeljkp about chroot install |
| 01:44.10 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: interesting, it looks like this might be a known issue on 64bit kernels, but that wouldnt explain your issue http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/03/msg00704.html |
| 01:44.11 | xjkx | Vasistha, yes, the confusion is that its not an ipod, its a mp4, i posted the link here but i think noone checked xD anyway, i think if i convert to a format an ipod would understand, the mp4 would probably understand (which is a similar device) |
| 01:44.23 | karsten | joeljkp: I assume there's an existing Linux install on this box? If not clarify your question. |
| 01:44.36 | maddash | "slutbox"? |
| 01:44.43 | karsten | maddash: Classy. |
| 01:44.56 | sparr | karsten: a thousand? konqueror is too slow |
| 01:44.59 | joeljkp | karsten: yes, there is; i tried downloading vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the installer and booting it using grub |
| 01:45.01 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, ya I found that thread, and then I kept reading, saying they fixxed it, and gave no clue howto fix it |
| 01:45.02 | Dewi | nn-laptop: abrotman is really a vampire. He can barely contain his evil impulses even now. If you gave him access to that sort of power, he'd go nuts. |
| 01:45.03 | junix6591 | i can't authenticate any packages on my etch system |
| 01:45.07 | Vasistha | xjkx: well, that question is answered in one of the mplayer faqs. Do you want the link? |
| 01:45.11 | joeljkp | karsten: which works, except it doesn't have my network driver so i can't get any further |
| 01:45.15 | nn-laptop | dondelelcaro, how would go about do ing that |
| 01:45.26 | joeljkp | karsten: i could use an .iso on the hdd, but i only have 1 partition, it would get overwritten |
| 01:45.27 | Talisker | I forwarded port 23 to my box, ran the VNC server on port 5900, and used rinetd to forward any incoming connections from port 23 to 127.0.0.1:5900 |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | Dewi: i like the sun :) |
| 01:45.40 | nn-laptop | Dewi, lol |
| 01:45.44 | karsten | joeljkp: knoppix? |
| 01:45.51 | joeljkp | karsten: i can't boot from cds |
| 01:45.53 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/03/msg00734.html |
| 01:45.53 | xjkx | Vasistha, i think mplayer would teach me to play mp4 on mplayer, not to convert an avi to a format i would play on ipod, but if you say there is, i surely want |
| 01:45.59 | joeljkp | karsten: if i could, i'd just boot from a debian cd |
| 01:46.01 | karsten | joeljkp: Got floppy? |
| 01:46.10 | joeljkp | karsten: drive, no media |
| 01:46.48 | *** join/#debian Irrumator (n=iravid@IGLD-80-230-9-121.inter.net.il) |
| 01:46.49 | nn-laptop | can someone help me with setting rssh |
| 01:46.56 | Vasistha | xjkx: you might think that, but you don't seem to be aware that mplayer also comes with an app called "mencoder" -- as the name suggests, it is good for "encoding" which also includes "converting" ;-) http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_FAQ and do a text search for ipod |
| 01:46.58 | maddash | joeljkp: why can't you shrink the one partition and create a second one? |
| 01:47.08 | joeljkp | maddash: can i do that on a running system? |
| 01:47.23 | xjkx | uhmm, lets see, thanks |
| 01:47.44 | amphi | or look at the mencoder docs in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:47.44 | dvs | joeljkp: flash drive? |
| 01:47.58 | karsten | joeljkp: Your options are: boot from CD, add a working CD drive, boot from floppy, boot from USB, boot from existing HD. http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/, or swap the HD into a machine that *can* boot by some other method. Until you sort that out you're wasting our time. |
| 01:48.08 | maddash | joeljkp: 'running system'? as in, you want to retain all the files inside the existing partition? no. |
| 01:48.17 | karsten | joeljkp: You're talking to the guy who wrote the debian chroot install docs, BTW. |
| 01:48.25 | joeljkp | dvs: hmm, using an iso on the usb stick? |
| 01:48.26 | *** join/#debian byon (n=blazingb@bb121-7-32-215.singnet.com.sg) |
| 01:48.29 | joeljkp | dvs: yeah, i could do that |
| 01:48.31 | joeljkp | dvs: great idea |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | karsten: why would you steal my thunder? :) |
| 01:48.45 | byon | hi |
| 01:48.48 | karsten | joeljkp: You can boot the floppy installer on USB as well. |
| 01:48.50 | karsten | abrotman: ;-) |
| 01:48.52 | dvs | joeljkp: and you can boot from USB? |
| 01:48.54 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: what version of xorg are you running? |
| 01:48.59 | joeljkp | dvs: no, no usb boot |
| 01:49.17 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, I'm not sure, how can I tell? |
| 01:49.17 | karsten | abrotman: Why, what were you going to say? |
| 01:49.26 | joeljkp | dvs: but i could boot an installer kernel using grub and tell it to use the iso on the usb stick |
| 01:49.29 | abrotman | karsten: magnet |
| 01:49.35 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 01:49.37 | gpm | joeljkp: no go with the hd install huh? |
| 01:49.50 | joeljkp | gpm: doesn't have my network card driver |
| 01:50.00 | gpm | joeljkp: bummer :( |
| 01:50.05 | gpm | o/o all |
| 01:50.16 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 01:50.17 | abrotman | karsten: to install .. align the bits .. use a magnet |
| 01:50.30 | karsten | joeljkp: You could also get a working NIC on the system, or use SLIP or PLIP (slow but works) for the initial install. |
| 01:50.37 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: the reason i ask is because it looks like they released a new version to fix this issue, and if you do no have the new version, you may need to upgrade. lemme see if i can find how to pull up the version number... |
| 01:50.44 | karsten | abrotman: Gotchya. |
| 01:51.00 | karsten | joeljkp: I've done pretty much all of those methods at one point or another. |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | karsten: you need a beer or three :) |
| 01:51.25 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, would apt-get dist-upgrade not automattically grab the new version? |
| 01:51.27 | joeljkp | karsten: moral of the story: get a stupid working cd-rom |
| 01:51.51 | Dewi | nn-laptop: install 'rssh' package with apt, and read the man page. I believe all you do then is set the user's shell to "/usr/bin/rssh" so they are trapped in that limited environment when they log in - so that scp/sftp is all they can do |
| 01:51.59 | Dewi | nn-laptop: but read the manual |
| 01:52.07 | karsten | joeljkp: Including bootstrapping install by booting tomsrootbt, creating 15 ramdisks, transferring a split instance of the potato base image via floppy, writing that to disk, and bootstrapping install from that. |
| 01:52.14 | karsten | joeljkp: Aye. |
| 01:53.34 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: it may or may not, it depends on the sources in sources.list, and the servers too |
| 01:53.53 | *** join/#debian Dionix (n=gentoo@CPE-65-30-30-216.kc.res.rr.com) |
| 01:54.24 | rcbarnes | what's that program that wraps my X permissions with an app I launch with su privilages? |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | gksu ? |
| 01:55.01 | maddash | xsu |
| 01:55.06 | abrotman | i'm sure kde has one too :) |
| 01:55.10 | karsten | rcbarnes: sux |
| 01:55.13 | Dionix | i've an honest question to ask about debian vs gentoo on a 64bit proc, realistically if i were to mess around with all of gentoo's use flags do you think i would see any noticable difference between local compiling and the precompiled stuff |
| 01:55.24 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: that rssh looks great by the way... I wish I'd heard of that previously. |
| 01:55.28 | dvs | !gentoosmite Dionix |
| 01:55.30 | dondelelcaro | Dionix: unlikely. |
| 01:55.41 | rcbarnes | karsten: that's it! |
| 01:55.42 | rcbarnes | thanks |
| 01:55.52 | *** join/#debian Azar (i=macondo@h-66-166-120-11.lsanca54.covad.net) |
| 01:55.56 | *** join/#debian hound (i=woof@pdpc/supporter/student/Hound) |
| 01:55.57 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:56.08 | dondelelcaro | esp. since there's not a whole lot of difference between the current amd64 processor sets anyway |
| 01:56.09 | joeljkp | dvs: sweet, it's working |
| 01:56.43 | karsten | rcbarnes: There's also a "ksu" which comes with a companion program |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | oh crap .. Azar found us again |
| 01:56.43 | Dionix | because i'm tired of screwing with USE flags with bad descriptions so i don't know what it is they do |
| 01:56.43 | karsten | rcbarnes: ... gezundheit! |
| 01:56.43 | Azar | :) abrotman I have a special for stoned, is he around? |
| 01:56.44 | hound | Can anyone tell me how to add a file to the initrd file created by update-initramfs? |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | Azar: /whois ? |
| 01:56.47 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, any luck? |
| 01:56.51 | maddash | Dionix: depends on the kind of system you're on |
| 01:57.02 | Azar | awww not here |
| 01:57.10 | cafuego | Dionix: Most gcc developers don't even know what those flags do. |
| 01:57.12 | Dionix | maddash, i'm on an amd64 dual core |
| 01:57.42 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: im looking up some more info in the logs.... but im still with ya :) |
| 01:57.45 | *** join/#debian hxizan_ (n=hxizan@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 01:57.46 | maddash | Dionix: then there will hardly be any difference |
| 01:58.11 | Dionix | ok |
| 01:58.11 | Dionix | well everyone can cheer |
| 01:58.11 | Dionix | i'm going to wipe gentoo and install debian |
| 01:58.11 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, just checking :) |
| 01:58.14 | Dionix | i've been installing gentoo for over a week |
| 01:58.20 | Dionix | lol |
| 01:58.25 | maddash | how long does it take? |
| 01:58.29 | Dionix | i used to run debian awhile back |
| 01:58.44 | helfrez | gentoo is great is u have the time and patience, but its a trial in masochism at times |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | did you try asking #gentoo ? |
| 01:58.55 | Dionix | maddash, not that long but i wanted to make sure i was doing it right and i didn't want to use any of the base make.profiles because i'm picky like that |
| 01:58.56 | *** join/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 01:59.05 | *** join/#debian loopdee (n=user@209.155.83.174) |
| 01:59.06 | Dionix | helfrez, agreed |
| 02:00.01 | *** part/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 02:00.01 | Talisker | how do I free an alias from the memory? |
| 02:00.01 | *** join/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 02:00.01 | Dionix | but hell any *nix is better than microso~1 |
| 02:00.02 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: what does "$ X -version" return? |
| 02:00.02 | *** part/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 02:00.02 | *** part/#debian muszek (n=muszek@awc202.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 02:01.20 | cafuego | Talisker: unalias |
| 02:01.51 | nn-laptop | ok abrotman do you want a rssh login |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | no |
| 02:02.14 | *** join/#debian lupine_85 (i=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk) |
| 02:02.26 | maddash | i'll have an ssh login lol. |
| 02:02.42 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl |
| 02:02.44 | maddash | er, that came out wrong. |
| 02:02.44 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
| 02:03.30 | helfrez | anyone know how to get multimedia keys working right on etch w/kde lineak didnt halp a bit |
| 02:03.43 | *** join/#debian marcus__ (n=marcus@p5485F6BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:04.02 | helfrez | tried the hotplug trick and it didnt help |
| 02:04.05 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: *checking...* |
| 02:04.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Apparently the latest is 7.2 |
| 02:04.19 | *** join/#debian laserbeak43 (i=4210c2c9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-50b2502e546246be) |
| 02:05.11 | laserbeak43 | hi |
| 02:05.21 | h3xis | hi |
| 02:05.28 | laserbeak43 | can someone please tell me how to enable dual-monitor output? |
| 02:05.33 | laserbeak43 | on gnome? |
| 02:05.51 | laserbeak43 | i did a net install so i assume i have the latest version of debian |
| 02:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 769] by debhelper |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | xinerama |
| 02:08.06 | mius | laserbeak43, add a monitor to your xorf.conf |
| 02:08.14 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 02:08.14 | spikeb | xorf! |
| 02:08.15 | mius | xorg.conf |
| 02:08.16 | *** join/#debian jonas23 (n=jmoiron@ool-4351bccd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:08.25 | mius | bla |
| 02:08.41 | mustmr | http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3774/notrecognizedup3.png what is this? |
| 02:08.47 | spikeb | hehe |
| 02:08.57 | *** join/#debian koppernet (i=kopperne@202.147.60.194) |
| 02:09.12 | jonas23 | anyone using sid & xfce? |
| 02:09.39 | *** join/#debian limpio (n=luigi@201.226.61.53) |
| 02:09.46 | *** join/#debian blargman (n=blargman@209.249.65.110) |
| 02:10.28 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: i am having a hard time finding the info i am looking for... according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/03/msg00734.html, you need xorg-server version 1.2.99.902-1 or greater |
| 02:10.50 | maddash | jonaswhat is what? |
| 02:10.59 | jonas23 | what? |
| 02:11.00 | maddash | jonas23: what is what? |
| 02:11.05 | blargman | what package is kernel source for 2.4.27? :s this configure is failing to find the source, i'm not sure what directory i should be pointing it at |
| 02:11.10 | jonas23 | what is what? |
| 02:11.25 | jonas23 | i'm just wondering if anyone else is having problems upgrading to 4.4.1 |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | blargman: which version of debian ? |
| 02:11.30 | blargman | its saying /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build |
| 02:11.35 | jonas23 | it's trying to install 4.3.99 for me |
| 02:11.39 | blargman | 3.1r0a |
| 02:11.40 | spikeb | mustmr, i have no idea what that is, but if you want to know the version of debian, it's 4.0 etch |
| 02:11.41 | drwahl | blargman: linux-header-2.4.27 |
| 02:12.00 | mustmr | spikeb, actually i'm running testing (lenny) |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | blargman: your kenrel is out of date .. and it's kernel-source or kernel-headers |
| 02:12.05 | spikeb | ahh |
| 02:12.10 | drwahl | blargman: and linux-image-2.4.27 |
| 02:12.10 | *** part/#debian limpio (n=luigi@201.226.61.53) |
| 02:12.26 | mustmr | spikeb, it's saying that it doesn't recognize my OS |
| 02:12.31 | *** join/#debian limpio (n=luigi@201.226.61.53) |
| 02:12.32 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 02:12.33 | mustmr | spikeb, so i have to select one |
| 02:12.39 | *** join/#debian Irrumato1 (n=iravid@IGLD-80-230-8-123.inter.net.il) |
| 02:12.42 | spikeb | mustmr, does it list 4.0 on there anywhere? |
| 02:12.43 | jonas23 | is there a way to remove entirely the cache of packages that apt knows about? |
| 02:12.47 | blargman | ya abrotman , but i want kernel 2.4 :s |
| 02:12.58 | mustmr | spikeb, it lists 4.0 and testing |
| 02:13.05 | blargman | apt is just 2.6 |
| 02:13.09 | spikeb | mustmr, testing then |
| 02:13.11 | mustmr | but i don't want it to appear |
| 02:13.14 | *** join/#debian limpio (n=luigi@201.226.61.53) |
| 02:13.21 | abrotman | blargman: put your sources in a pastebin |
| 02:13.28 | drwahl | blargman: the source packages are linux-header-2.4.27 and linux-image-2.4.27 |
| 02:13.42 | laserbeak43 | ius xorgmius xorg? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | drwahl: no they aren't |
| 02:13.48 | laserbeak43 | mius xorg? |
| 02:13.59 | *** join/#debian fqh (i=fqh@218.13.192.223) |
| 02:14.07 | drwahl | abortman: no? |
| 02:14.11 | abrotman | not in sarge |
| 02:14.13 | laserbeak43 | are there any fronteds for it or do i have to edit it manualy? |
| 02:14.17 | gravity | xorgmius? wtf? |
| 02:14.24 | drwahl | abortman: from my understanding and experience, those have done the job for me |
| 02:14.37 | *** join/#debian dalias (i=dalias@brightrain.aerifal.cx) |
| 02:14.39 | abrotman | you're still wrong :) |
| 02:14.41 | blargman | abrotman: thx i'll have to get it elsewhere i guess, apt doesn't have it |
| 02:14.45 | dalias | hey guys |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | blargman: paste your sources |
| 02:14.53 | drwahl | abortman: i have been wrong more than once :) |
| 02:14.55 | Azar | aaaahhhhhhhh the sweet simplicity of those gone 8bits times: http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17723/The-Return-Of-The-8-Bits |
| 02:15.00 | blargman | i found kernel-source-2.4.27_2.4.27.orig.tar.gz |
| 02:15.02 | dalias | what package should i install so that alsa mixer settings are saved/restored across reboots |
| 02:15.03 | blargman | sec abrotman |
| 02:15.10 | mius | laserbeak43, /etc/X11/xorg.conf... yes, take nano or something like that |
| 02:15.38 | *** join/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 02:15.42 | liable | dalias: alsa-utils iirc |
| 02:16.01 | liable | dalias: alsactl is what you're after |
| 02:16.37 | maddash | dalias: alsaconf |
| 02:16.43 | dalias | heh 3 answers |
| 02:16.46 | dalias | which one is right? :P |
| 02:16.51 | wydd | ? |
| 02:16.57 | laserbeak43 | ok thx |
| 02:17.01 | *** part/#debian wydd (i=monaco@143.107.232.249) |
| 02:18.04 | *** join/#debian nictuku (n=yves@201.14.79.108) |
| 02:18.26 | Agrajag- | i upgraded a machine from sarge to etch, and for some reason my id_rsa keys generated with ssh-keygen don't work. when i try to ssh, it tells me "debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/philipn/.ssh/id_rsa" and "debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN'" . what's wrong here? |
| 02:18.49 | *** join/#debian druglord (n=murat@cpe-76-184-96-78.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 02:19.02 | blargman | http://rafb.net/p/sxPqoQ24.html |
| 02:19.06 | abrotman | all day! |
| 02:19.06 | blargman | sry i'm a slow one abrotman |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | blargman: i'm on dialup :) |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | blargman: you're not on sarge anymore |
| 02:19.27 | liable | dalias: alsa-utils is the package, alsactl is the program |
| 02:19.34 | abrotman | blargman: you can add sources for oldstable if you like |
| 02:19.49 | blargman | i'd be ok with that, i'm still running the 2.4.27 kernel atm |
| 02:19.59 | blargman | i really need that for a module that isn't compatible with 2.6 |
| 02:20.34 | *** part/#debian druglord (n=murat@cpe-76-184-96-78.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 02:20.54 | Azar | Agrajag-: I am not sure if this could be, but check to see if you got the correct date/time? seen some people with same issue.. |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | blargman: okay .. so you're going to have to add oldstable sources .. get the 2.4.27-3-<arch> .. then get the source or headers |
| 02:21.30 | Agrajag- | Azar: yes, correct date/time, im using ntp |
| 02:21.38 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 02:21.44 | dalias | liable, is there something in the boot scripts to auto-run it? |
| 02:22.05 | Azar | Agrajag-: good then you are not having same issue... |
| 02:22.24 | *** join/#debian rstanca (n=radu@86.125.228.29) |
| 02:22.24 | K|NgGh0sT | drwahl, what do I do then? |
| 02:23.13 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 02:23.16 | Azar | Agrajag-: see if you find your issue on the release notes that you should have consulted before the upgrade: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:24.38 | blargman | so its just called oldstable ? i see this thign called sarge-backports |
| 02:24.48 | Agrajag- | Azar: i did, i didn't read about this issue, and with a quick search of that again i can't find any reference to it |
| 02:25.18 | drwahl | K|NgGh0sT: i'm stumped, maybe some one else could lend a hand... |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | run around and scream |
| 02:25.41 | *** join/#debian ead_ (n=ead@rrcs-24-199-147-14.midsouth.biz.rr.com) |
| 02:25.44 | *** join/#debian _Firehand (i=adrian@port-87-234-138-138.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 02:25.49 | *** join/#debian smiler_ (i=smiler@hutch.odx.nl) |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: help with what ? |
| 02:26.15 | *** join/#debian kisielk (n=kisielk@zeus.kimaker.com) |
| 02:26.31 | Azar | Agrajag-: I am not good with ssh keys... maybe abrotman or liable.. |
| 02:26.49 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 02:26.49 | kisielk | hm, lately it seems my bash started highlighting some entries in my LS listing with a green background |
| 02:26.50 | abrotman | !ssh key |
| 02:26.50 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 02:26.50 | *** join/#debian Faithful1 (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) |
| 02:26.51 | kisielk | does anyone know what that's all about? |
| 02:26.51 | *** join/#debian baffle (n=baffle@endor.stenstad.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 02:26.51 | *** join/#debian tmn (i=tmn@nux.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 02:26.51 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-213.231210.adsl.tele2.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 02:26.52 | drwahl | abortman: here are his logs http://pastebin.ca/446497 and http://pastebin.ca/446499 |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | logs ? |
| 02:27.11 | drwahl | he is having issues with xorg |
| 02:27.34 | drwahl | Int10 to be exact |
| 02:27.56 | *** join/#debian cranberries (n=cranberr@243.218.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk) |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: have you also asked #nvidia ? |
| 02:28.22 | gravity | urgh |
| 02:28.28 | gravity | drwahl: What version of the x server? |
| 02:28.46 | gravity | drwahl: And does he run two nvidia video cards? If not, int10 shouldn't be an issue for him |
| 02:28.59 | gravity | even then, I think we disabled that problem patch for the release |
| 02:29.09 | drwahl | gravity: it is K|NgGh0sT issue, and you can find his logs at http://pastebin.ca/446497 and http://pastebin.ca/446499 |
| 02:29.28 | *** join/#debian ericx_1 (n=jxtadev@125.120.107.23) |
| 02:29.34 | gravity | drwahl: What's the exact package version of xserver-xorg-core? |
| 02:29.49 | *** join/#debian janrocks (n=janrocks@82-33-137-88.cable.ubr02.wiga.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 02:30.11 | drwahl | gravity: i am not sure, you would have to ask K|NgGh0sT for any more info that what is on those logs |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | and he suddenly went quiet :) |
| 02:30.32 | gravity | He shoud try disabling the "load int10" line |
| 02:30.57 | drwahl | according to his first post, he did disable it, and still got an error |
| 02:31.22 | gravity | hrm |
| 02:31.41 | *** part/#debian Dionix (n=gentoo@CPE-65-30-30-216.kc.res.rr.com) |
| 02:31.56 | gravity | Oh, Option "NoInt10" "false" in the screen section may be helpful |
| 02:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 02:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 02:33.38 | drwahl | gravity: also relating to that problem, we found http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2007/03/msg00734.html |
| 02:34.25 | gravity | right, that's the bug |
| 02:34.43 | *** join/#debian Noel (n=Noel@243.218.17.210.dyn.pacific.net.hk) |
| 02:35.16 | *** join/#debian cusco (n=tretas@cpc2-swin6-0-0-cust997.sol2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 02:35.24 | gravity | But that was to experimental, so I need to know what server version he's running |
| 02:35.33 | gravity | We didn't disable that patch in etch in the end. |
| 02:35.46 | gravity | He may want to move to the X server in experimental |
| 02:35.57 | ootput | how the heck did xen installation (and subsequent boot from xen-kernel) affect my xkb? |
| 02:36.02 | drwahl | ya, i was trying to find how to pull up the version number and i couldnt find out how, so i was hoping some one else knew |
| 02:36.07 | ootput | it seems my type rate has been reduced to almost 0 |
| 02:36.25 | ootput | ie, when deleting chars, or using arrow keys to move cursor |
| 02:37.06 | *** join/#debian KWartS (n=KWartS@202.137.21.235) |
| 02:37.24 | *** join/#debian DavidProck1981 (i=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 02:37.26 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-199-227.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 02:37.29 | drwahl | i am not very familiar with xen, other than it looks like Mac, how much different is it than KDE? |
| 02:37.48 | ootput | xen is a virtualisation system |
| 02:37.53 | ootput | much like vmware |
| 02:38.04 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=pppoe_du@unaffiliated/blimpdude) |
| 02:38.07 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 02:38.11 | pppoe_dude | ok i got it working finally :) |
| 02:38.17 | spikeb | cool |
| 02:38.39 | pppoe_dude | so... it's been a while since i used debian, so im gonna bother everyone with stupid questions ^_^ |
| 02:38.46 | spikeb | horray! |
| 02:39.08 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-41-185-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:39.57 | pppoe_dude | is there a sources.list generator for debian? |
| 02:40.16 | pppoe_dude | also, what line should I add to get all package lists? i tried adding 'non-free' to the lines already there but to no avail |
| 02:40.19 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 02:40.25 | DavidProck1981 | When you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you get to the Mouse protocol, what is the difference from ImPS/2 & ExplorerPS/2 and how do i tell what i use? |
| 02:40.27 | abrotman | what other packages do you want ? |
| 02:40.43 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: for starters 915resolution so my eyes don't asplode! |
| 02:40.44 | pppoe_dude | :P |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | that's in main i believe |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | !info 915resolution etch |
| 02:41.14 | dpkg | 915resolution: (resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 02:41.14 | pppoe_dude | :S |
| 02:41.25 | abrotman | next ... |
| 02:41.26 | pppoe_dude | is that main? or extra? |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | main |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | there is no 'extra' |
| 02:41.50 | helfrez | any quick and/or dirty tricks to getting firefox extension that check the browser installed |
| 02:41.51 | pppoe_dude | oh dude |
| 02:41.51 | pppoe_dude | sorry :) |
| 02:41.55 | pppoe_dude | i've been doin typos all day |
| 02:42.01 | DavidProck1981 | !DavidProck |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | davidprock is, like, a Person that can barly get by useing Linux, And some times needs a lot instructional of help |
| 02:42.02 | pppoe_dude | did apt-get install 915-resolution |
| 02:42.02 | DavidProck1981 | When you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and you get to the Mouse protocol, what is the difference from ImPS/2 & ExplorerPS/2 and how do i tell what i use? |
| 02:42.30 | parsonsd | ouch |
| 02:43.24 | *** join/#debian samiam (n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 02:43.44 | maddash | DavidProck1981: try both. i use exploreps/2 solely for my intellimouse. |
| 02:43.47 | jstevens | A friend of mine did a aptitude upgrade on his sarge system. After rebooting things are a bit tweaked as he didn't do a dist-upgrade. Now when he does a dis-upgrade aptitude won't upgrade as there is a dependency problem and two conflicts. Can aptitude be *forced* to upgrade anyway? |
| 02:43.47 | joeljkp | is there a description of the tasks in tasksel anywhere? |
| 02:43.49 | *** part/#debian denver (n=Denver@12.107.36.226) |
| 02:44.23 | spikeb | jstevens, try apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 02:44.29 | edju | I added a user to visudo with ALL. But, I'm still being "reported". What else needs to be done? |
| 02:44.37 | jstevens | Ok, thanks... |
| 02:44.40 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-178-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:44.47 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: does this look like a sane sources.list file? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 02:44.49 | spikeb | jstevens, but take a careful look at what it wants to do |
| 02:45.03 | spikeb | jstevens, -f means "fix" not "force" and apt might propose doing something REALLY stupid |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | !sources.list ? |
| 02:45.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 02:45.12 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 02:45.23 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: thanks dude |
| 02:45.36 | jstevens | Yeah, I've had to do that before. Taking a look. |
| 02:45.36 | DavidProck1981 | maddash, what is the difference from the two, and what would be the down side if u select the wrong one |
| 02:45.36 | reiser2 | abrotman: hi man |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:45.43 | reiser2 | how is everithing |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:45.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:45.59 | Azar | spikeb: did you read the release notes for upgrade to etch? |
| 02:46.16 | spikeb | Azar, no, because i didn't upgrade. jstevens' friend did./ |
| 02:46.18 | Azar | jstevens: hold on don't listen to him |
| 02:46.25 | *** part/#debian kisielk (n=kisielk@zeus.kimaker.com) |
| 02:46.39 | Azar | jstevens: are you still here? |
| 02:46.42 | jstevens | Ok.. |
| 02:46.45 | jstevens | Yes, still here. |
| 02:46.46 | pppoe_dude | abrotman: nice... so all i really need is one line? :D |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | and the security line |
| 02:46.57 | sparr | I need to view a lot of jpeg images and delete or skip each one. I want to pre-load the next image so that I don't have to wait after each one (there are thousands). Suggestions? |
| 02:46.57 | Azar | before... you dist-upgrade you need to know what is coming to you |
| 02:47.10 | pppoe_dude | okies |
| 02:47.13 | *** join/#debian Droolio (n=drool@87-194-188-170.bethere.co.uk) |
| 02:47.14 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:47.18 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.89.54.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 02:47.48 | Azar | jstevens: so, I will give you the link, browse and apply where you think it fits your system's profile: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:48.14 | Azar | jstevens: some things change in etch and you should know before upgrading |
| 02:48.22 | jstevens | Azar: yeah, this was an sarge machine. He referred to it as stable in his sources.list. He didn't know etch went stable and did an aptitude upgrade. It only upgraded a small portion of what it needed to. |
| 02:48.37 | helfrez | anyone tried thunderbird 2 yet? |
| 02:48.45 | Azar | jstevens: he did not upgraded to etch .. yet |
| 02:49.01 | Vasistha | sparr: well, I sometimes use kuickshow. Is can delete (although that's a bit slow) and it does auto-load the next image, I believe |
| 02:49.09 | Azar | jstevens: in this case he still uses sarge along with some mixed etch packages |
| 02:49.09 | jstevens | Azar: well, he has some packages from etch installed at this time. |
| 02:49.52 | Azar | jstevens: simple: edit the sources.list to show "sarge" everywhere, then do "aptitude update" "aptitude upgrade" and offending packages will be removed |
| 02:50.05 | jstevens | Azar: And apt is in a state where he can't add or remove packages because of dependency and conflict problems. |
| 02:50.17 | Azar | jstevens: use "aptitude" |
| 02:50.26 | Azar | forget about apt-get this time |
| 02:50.40 | jstevens | Azar: Yes, I mean aptitude. I haven't used apt-get for years. |
| 02:51.18 | Azar | jstevens: aptitude will remove a lot of garbage. copy/paste save the garbage list on a file, then peek at it and reinstall packages you need with aptitude |
| 02:51.28 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-41-185-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:51.56 | jstevens | Azar: I don't think aptitude would allow the downgrade. Do you? |
| 02:52.06 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 02:52.09 | blargman | in what folder would this configure script need to look for the kernel sources? the folder it defaults to doesn't exist :s |
| 02:52.16 | Azar | jstevens: it is not a downgrade. you still are running sarge with broken packages |
| 02:52.20 | *** join/#debian niru (n=niru@203.129.255.178) |
| 02:52.21 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: just try it and see. |
| 02:52.28 | blargman | it tries /lib/modules/2.4.27/build |
| 02:52.44 | Azar | jstevens: if you did NOT do a DIST-UPGRADE you are still running Sarge |
| 02:52.46 | blargman | there is no /usr/src/linux either, which is where I thought it would be |
| 02:52.49 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: you might have issues with a scroll wheel with one or the other. Just try one, and if you're happy with it, stick with it. |
| 02:52.50 | jstevens | Azar: Yes, but certain packages will be downgraded in rev. |
| 02:52.59 | jstevens | Azar: Agree. |
| 02:52.59 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@58.71.19.178) |
| 02:53.00 | niru | which package is responsible in showing the "OTHER Operating systems" sentence in the grub |
| 02:53.14 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=pppoe_du@unaffiliated/blimpdude) |
| 02:53.17 | LV-426 | got a problem getting cron to output to my running gnome-session (eg. spawn a gedit session ) ... the only output i manage to get is when i | wall a command.... ne chance the login manager forks the processes in such a way that cron outputs to somewhere else ? |
| 02:53.22 | Azar | packages that will be "downgraded" are not belonging in Sarge |
| 02:53.34 | Azar | ...unless you had some backported |
| 02:53.50 | jstevens | Azar: Well, we'll see if it will downgrade and run straight sarge. No, no backports. |
| 02:53.56 | drwahl | niru: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:53.58 | Vasistha | niru: I think that's done as part of the update-grub script |
| 02:54.18 | Azar | jstevens: no downgrade, it might rather call it :cleanup |
| 02:54.22 | *** part/#debian DavidProck1981 (i=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 02:54.37 | niru | drwahl, Vasistha Is it not available in debian-installer source |
| 02:54.38 | Azar | but use "sarge" on your sources lines now |
| 02:54.40 | Supaplex | niru: I think debian installer sets that up, if update-grub or grub-install do not. |
| 02:55.15 | niru | Supaplex, is it in osprober |
| 02:55.38 | *** join/#debian balman (n=balman@bb219-74-237-68.singnet.com.sg) |
| 02:55.49 | jstevens | Azar: I'm on the phone with him now. Giving it a try. |
| 02:55.50 | Azar | jstevens: you can also use " aptitude -f install" |
| 02:56.22 | Azar | tell him to log in this irc and talk directly |
| 02:56.42 | drwahl | niru: to the extent of my knowledge (rather limited) the /boot/grub/menu.lst file is the one that handles the OS selection including other OSes. i do not know what package creates that file however. i would imagine grub-install |
| 02:57.53 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (n=gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca) |
| 02:57.53 | balman | i have config my sata hd with LVM, with primary partition / and logical partition /home. / now requires more space. how do i expand it? |
| 02:57.54 | jstevens | Azar, His machine isn't really in a situation where he can run an IRC client. |
| 02:58.03 | niru | drwahl, ok |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | 2400bps modem eh ? |
| 02:58.09 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-41-185-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:58.40 | Supaplex | !640k |
| 02:58.40 | dpkg | Bill Gates personally assured me 640K should be enough for ANYONE! Yay Bill! |
| 02:59.38 | Xenguy | .oO(That's a boat-load o' memory) |
| 02:59.51 | balman | how? |
| 03:00.03 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=Rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 03:00.06 | *** join/#debian ignotus21 (n=ignotus@189.12.153.59) |
| 03:00.43 | *** join/#debian jso (n=jso@67.130.170.253) |
| 03:00.45 | *** join/#debian test1212 (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:01.46 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:02.06 | drwahl | balman: parted might be a useful utility, but not sure if that is what you need |
| 03:02.47 | *** join/#debian x|e (n=cookies@24.238.56.10.res-cmts.wbh.ptd.net) |
| 03:03.00 | *** join/#debian jsubl2 (n=jsubl2@adsl-76-203-160-176.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:03.06 | Supaplex | balman: search for the lvm howto. |
| 03:03.12 | *** join/#debian roz (n=roz@ip68-13-22-128.om.om.cox.net) |
| 03:03.12 | Vasistha | drwahl: he's got LVM, so he won't need parted ;-) |
| 03:04.07 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@c-69-242-187-83.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 03:04.16 | drwahl | i have never used parted with LVM, but i have made a note of it |
| 03:04.36 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, sorry had to go get my friend |
| 03:04.49 | abrotman | he better have been really drunk |
| 03:05.23 | K|NgGh0sT | He was |
| 03:05.23 | K|NgGh0sT | just graduated |
| 03:05.23 | K|NgGh0sT | Got really smashed |
| 03:05.23 | jstevens | Azar: Ok, s/stable/sarge/ in sources.list. Did an aptitude update. At this point it wants to upgrade just libc6, locales and man-db to the sarge versions. It doesn't want to remove or modify any of the hundreds of other packages from etch that were installed/upgraded. |
| 03:05.24 | K|NgGh0sT | finished his last exam at least |
| 03:05.49 | K|NgGh0sT | abchirk, any clue on howto fix this? |
| 03:06.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 03:06.04 | *** join/#debian drwarner (n=drwarner@cable-66-206-232-149.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 03:06.08 | Vasistha | drwahl: LVM is a somewhat new tool that makes it easy to move and resize your partitions. I say "somewhat new" but it has been around for a number of years |
| 03:06.12 | x|e | i compiled kernel 2.6.20.7 and installed it, it starts to load fine then my screen just goes black but the led's keep going like my system is still loading it.. i can login to the system and type commands and they still execute but i can not see what i am typing. just a black screen. any idea on what i could have missed in the config? |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: read the backscroll . i believe gravity said how to stop the breakage |
| 03:06.33 | K|NgGh0sT | ah onesec |
| 03:06.41 | Vasistha | x|e: sounds like a frame buffer issue |
| 03:06.46 | drwahl | Vasistha: so i assume that it is eeasier to use than parted? :) |
| 03:07.33 | *** join/#debian Administ1ator (i=ac2c5db5@c-68-51-66-16.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | pipeline? |
| 03:07.46 | Vasistha | drwahl: well, depends. I've never used it, but I can't say. The tricky thing about LVM is that it's not as well supported as traditional partitions -- grub cannot boot from an LVM partition, so you must have a separate /boot partition that is itself a traditional partition. |
| 03:08.12 | Administ1ator | abrotman: yes? |
| 03:08.14 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-016.eplus-online.de) |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:08.19 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=pppoe_du@unaffiliated/blimpdude) |
| 03:08.26 | pipeline | abrotman: aso |
| 03:08.27 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.79.96) |
| 03:08.27 | K|NgGh0sT | gravity, I tried commenting out Int 10 line |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:08.33 | pipeline | abrotman: the shame is all mine ;) |
| 03:08.33 | drwarner | I've got a server that's running etch, kernel 2.6.8-smp - the system boots from an IDE drive but has 3 scsi drives set up to use LVM. Problem is... it doesn't load the aic7xxx driver until it has already tried to enable the LVM, and even then it doesn't load sd-mod at all... How do I get the system to load these modules earlier? |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | aso ? |
| 03:08.59 | pipeline | abrotman: the thing old japanese men say an tv :D |
| 03:09.04 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:09.12 | pppoe_dude | ok |
| 03:09.28 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 03:09.28 | pipeline | Seriously though, to save face, "administrator" is an unprivileged unix account. My street cred is intact. |
| 03:09.30 | pppoe_dude | any ideas on how to enable cpu scaling? i installed cpufreqd but it says no devices found |
| 03:09.31 | x|e | Vasistha, wouldnt vesa vga graphics support be sufficient? |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | pipeline: sure ... :) |
| 03:10.10 | abrotman | you could have askeD! |
| 03:10.24 | pipeline | you could have had a bullshit string |
| 03:10.24 | pipeline | I could have worn a rubber |
| 03:10.24 | pipeline | let's not assign blame |
| 03:10.27 | pppoe_dude | ill try powernowd |
| 03:10.41 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:10.46 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@secondary.pssnet.com) |
| 03:11.20 | *** join/#debian xammu (n=none@p54b34034.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:11.52 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-96-74.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:12.11 | K|NgGh0sT | gravity, I'm not sure where this Int 10 is in the screen selection, I cant find it |
| 03:12.20 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: Try using the NoInt10 boolean option. It's documented in xorg.conf |
| 03:12.33 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: In the xorg.conf manpage that is |
| 03:12.35 | magyar | anyone using "raidutils"? |
| 03:12.51 | gravity | There's very little that's possible for xorg.conf that is actually on by default |
| 03:14.28 | pppoe_dude | ah ok fixed nm |
| 03:14.36 | balman | 'testing' is using lvm1 or lvm2? |
| 03:14.54 | drwahl | ppoe_dude: did powernowd fix the cpu scaling? |
| 03:15.02 | K|NgGh0sT | gravity, so under the Monitor Selection gp.. Option "int 10" "false" |
| 03:15.06 | drwarner | balman: lvm2 |
| 03:15.10 | drwarner | same as etch |
| 03:15.32 | balman | drwahl, thks. |
| 03:16.06 | maddash | mm can't wait until 2008 |
| 03:16.20 | drwahl | turnning 21 then? :) |
| 03:16.33 | K|NgGh0sT | gravity, I put it under screen, and it did the same thing |
| 03:16.51 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: Ok, could you please file a bug report using reportbug? |
| 03:16.54 | maddash | haha no, that'll be in 2009 |
| 03:17.00 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: File it against xserver-xorg-core |
| 03:17.13 | balman | trying to use a system without a mouse but got no screen because no corepointer. how to config xorg.conf to work without mouse? |
| 03:17.22 | maddash | drwahl: that's when MS officially loses its support for XP |
| 03:17.27 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 03:17.41 | dondelelcaro | balman: man xorg.conf; read about AllowMouseOpenFail |
| 03:17.42 | maddash | drwahl: and my parent's will have no choice but to use debian |
| 03:17.51 | pppoe_dude | ok thanks all i think everything works now |
| 03:17.54 | maddash | s/parent's/parents/g |
| 03:18.13 | drwahl | maddash: why is that a good thing? at least XP is usable. MS moving away froma somewaht stable system to an unstable system is not good for anyone... |
| 03:18.48 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 03:19.10 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:20.19 | *** join/#debian drako (n=ljd@nelug/coreteam/luisjose) |
| 03:20.29 | *** join/#debian kennethd (n=kenneth@cpe-66-65-80-62.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:20.35 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to moniter my RAID (3ware 9650-8ML) card status, but I can't find anything that actually gives me my array's status. Anyone here have experience? |
| 03:21.01 | *** join/#debian ucimok (n=ucimok@c-68-50-195-202.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 03:21.19 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: you have to use the binary 3ware monitoring software, iirc. |
| 03:22.25 | *** join/#debian ignotus21_ (n=ignotus@189.12.129.151) |
| 03:22.50 | *** join/#debian mikefoo (n=mikefoo@cpe-74-68-34-217.nj.res.rr.com) |
| 03:23.00 | stew | rcbarnes: debian-unofficial.org has 3dm2 packages |
| 03:23.26 | magyar | anyone using "raidutils"? |
| 03:24.58 | *** join/#debian jso_ (n=jso@151.159.10.7) |
| 03:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 786] by debhelper |
| 03:26.33 | drwarner | can anyone tell me how I get the kernel to load modules as soon as possible? I'm booting in single user mode every time because the system can't fsck the block devices that aren't avail when the system comes up |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | initrd |
| 03:27.02 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@dsl-203-113-234-112.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 03:27.28 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:27.54 | *** part/#debian ignotus21_ (n=ignotus@189.12.129.151) |
| 03:28.17 | drwarner | abrotman: okay, that's a start for me. Suggested reading materials? |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | man -k initrd |
| 03:28.34 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 03:28.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | they didn't help |
| 03:28.57 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@cm-5457.europronet.ba) |
| 03:29.04 | abrotman | probably the items that come p with man -k initrd |
| 03:29.17 | ootput | are any of you ussing debian with an Openbsd xenn guest for routing? |
| 03:29.19 | mikefoo | Is two week notice mandatory? I cant remember what my terms stated when I joined company. ANyone have an idea, as in its not legal to state, two weeks is needed. |
| 03:29.38 | abrotman | wrong channel ? |
| 03:29.42 | *** join/#debian Kwitschibo_ (n=Michael@host-091-096-251-170.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 03:29.56 | K|NgGh0sT | gravity, drwahl, thanks for your help, hopefully this bug report will work out |
| 03:30.03 | mikefoo | well I dunno where else to ask.. |
| 03:30.38 | abrotman | mikefoo: #freenode-social |
| 03:31.20 | dondelelcaro | mikefoo: and asking in many channels is not polite, either. |
| 03:31.35 | drwarner | abrotman: actually, that's a great help. Thanks. |
| 03:31.45 | gravity | K|NgGh0sT: No problem. |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | drwahl: enjoy |
| 03:31.52 | K|NgGh0sT | I miss having my HTPC |
| 03:31.56 | *** join/#debian wheatie (n=lex@unaffiliated/wheatie) |
| 03:32.28 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 03:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 03:32.38 | drwahl | abrotman: enjoy whay? |
| 03:32.40 | drwahl | *waht |
| 03:32.43 | drwahl | uhg... |
| 03:33.11 | drwarner | he was directing that to me |
| 03:33.16 | drwahl | ok |
| 03:34.20 | *** join/#debian rennen01 (n=carl@adsl-75-17-142-76.dsl.sndg02.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:34.27 | _n3kl_ | I am looking for an email system that does cached imap so that I can have a single mailbox that many clients sync to. Does anyone have a suggestion for a nice/easy one? |
| 03:35.02 | dondelelcaro | _n3kl_: dovecot |
| 03:35.36 | dondelelcaro | (and offlineimap to do the synching) |
| 03:35.42 | *** part/#debian kennethd (n=kenneth@cpe-66-65-80-62.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:35.56 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:36.06 | _n3kl_ | dondelelcaro: is offlineimap a seperat piece of software? |
| 03:36.15 | dondelelcaro | _n3kl_: yes |
| 03:36.49 | _n3kl_ | dondelelcaro: I am currently using kolab, but I flat don't like it... |
| 03:38.00 | dondelelcaro | well, I don't know much about groupware, having little or no use for it |
| 03:38.45 | _n3kl_ | dondelelcaro: me neither really, I just want to be able to read my email from any machine and only have to maintain a single copy. |
| 03:38.54 | _n3kl_ | Although a single calendar would be nice also |
| 03:39.48 | dondelelcaro | _n3kl_: the way I do it is with dovecot+offlineimap |
| 03:40.11 | _n3kl_ | dondelelcaro: currently googleing for a good looking howto |
| 03:40.13 | dondelelcaro | _n3kl_: but I only read my e-mail on machines which I control, and I keep a local copy of it on each machine |
| 03:40.41 | *** join/#debian test1212 (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 03:40.54 | *** join/#debian clownfish (n=clownfis@58.65.200.65) |
| 03:41.02 | _n3kl_ | dondelelcaro: but they sync with the server? i.e. when you read an email and sync, all other clients/machines that you check your mail on will mark that message as read. |
| 03:41.25 | dondelelcaro | _n3kl_: yes |
| 03:41.29 | luosm | Could someone help me figure out why my cursor doesn't work the way it was few hours ago? |
| 03:41.44 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/mail/.offlineimaprc is my configuration file for it |
| 03:41.50 | clownfish | how was it few hours ago? |
| 03:41.51 | Vasistha | luosm: probably, but you'll have to tell us what's the matter before anyone can volunteer to help you |
| 03:42.05 | *** join/#debian wombat^_1 (n=nemo@dsl-203-113-234-112.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 03:42.06 | *** join/#debian GabrielFalcao (n=gabriel@20158118149.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 03:42.06 | luosm | Fair enough |
| 03:42.27 | luosm | Intalled Debian on my toshiba laptop couple of days ago |
| 03:42.29 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:42.38 | luosm | I'm using the touchpad |
| 03:42.52 | *** part/#debian GabrielFalcao (n=gabriel@20158118149.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 03:42.52 | luosm | It used to be "fast" and I am able to double click with it |
| 03:42.56 | *** join/#debian WALoeIII (n=WALoeIII@129.170.50.115) |
| 03:42.59 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: cool, thanks |
| 03:43.00 | luosm | Now I can't |
| 03:43.08 | Vasistha | luosm: what did you change? |
| 03:43.19 | luosm | Vasistha: I haven't changed anything |
| 03:43.23 | *** join/#debian SubStack (i=substack@137.229.48.45) |
| 03:43.37 | WALoeIII | What is the appropriate mail command to use in conjunction with Debian's postfix package |
| 03:43.41 | *** join/#debian ny38 (n=unseen@203-214-41-42.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 03:43.43 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: sendmail |
| 03:43.54 | WALoeIII | -t? |
| 03:43.58 | dondelelcaro | (as it is with any package which provides mail-transport-agent) |
| 03:44.09 | WALoeIII | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.29 | dondelelcaro | WALoeIII: /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 03:44.39 | WALoeIII | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
| 03:45.13 | dondelelcaro | (often /usr/sbin/sendmail too; I always forget which is mandated by FHS; perhaps both are) |
| 03:45.15 | drwahl | is there a command in irssi to list users on the channeL? |
| 03:45.23 | dondelelcaro | drwahl: /who |
| 03:45.24 | luosm | Vasistha: // /names |
| 03:45.31 | luosm | err |
| 03:45.40 | luosm | drwahl: /names |
| 03:45.44 | drwahl | thanks |
| 03:45.47 | luosm | Np |
| 03:46.28 | Vasistha | luosm: well, if you've got a synaptics touchpad, you might consider using one of the configuration utils |
| 03:46.28 | luosm | Vasistha: Any idea? |
| 03:46.36 | ootput | are any of you ussing debian with an Openbsd xenn guest for routing? |
| 03:46.37 | luosm | Hmm |
| 03:46.40 | WALoeIII | dondelelcaro: I have a /usr/sbin/sendmail that is mapped to a postfix interface, I'm going to use that, just needed a starting point to look :) |
| 03:46.42 | spikeb | no |
| 03:46.49 | spikeb | but i am using debian. :) |
| 03:46.55 | *** part/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:47.15 | luosm | Vasistha: I don't know how to be honest with you |
| 03:47.26 | Vasistha | god, that came out weird |
| 03:47.28 | *** join/#debian arencinosa (n=alex@200.55.139.218) |
| 03:48.02 | dondelelcaro | luosm: how is it behaving? |
| 03:48.18 | dondelelcaro | is it moving at all? not moving properly? have you tried unloading and reloading the module? |
| 03:48.20 | luosm | dondelelcaro: Slow and I cannot double clkick anymore |
| 03:48.47 | dondelelcaro | luosm: if it's slow, then use xset to change the acceleration parameters; you may also need to modify the double click speed. |
| 03:49.30 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c211-28-150-227.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:49.46 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 03:50.28 | *** join/#debian iViLe (n=bob@c211-28-232-131.fernt1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:51.00 | luosm | dondelelcaro: No I haven't unload/reload anything |
| 03:51.18 | luosm | xset m acc_div? |
| 03:51.35 | Vasistha | luosm: unloading/reloading was a suggestion to try ;-) |
| 03:51.51 | luosm | Vasistha: If I just knew how :/ |
| 03:52.11 | ootput | is there a way to sort grub menu.lst entries? |
| 03:52.12 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro, stew: Belated thanks---I hoped to get FOSS monitering, but C'est la vie. |
| 03:52.22 | ootput | atm, it seemss that entries are added iin alphabetiical ordder |
| 03:52.30 | ootput | (the orderr of kernels in /boot) |
| 03:52.36 | *** join/#debian c0nv1ct (n=convict@151hood236.hctc.com) |
| 03:52.39 | luosm | dondelelcaro: What module? |
| 03:52.51 | *** join/#debian besonen_mobile2 (n=besonen_@71-220-227-185.eugn.qwest.net) |
| 03:52.57 | Vasistha | ootput: automatically? |
| 03:53.23 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 03:53.32 | *** join/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 03:53.46 | ootput | Vasistha: yes, when updaate-grub is issued |
| 03:53.56 | Vasistha | luosm: well, there's psmouse. Personally, I would be inclined to tweak with it using xset, or your DE's control panel. I know how to do it in kde myself, though I don't know about gnome ... at any rate, it shouldn't be difficult to find |
| 03:53.58 | ootput | Vasistha: the options in menu.lst don't cover it |
| 03:54.33 | Vasistha | ootput: I don't know myself, but I can tell you what I do -- I just copy/paste the ones I'm going to use all the time above the automagic area, and ignore the big list |
| 03:55.06 | coldsteal | hello i installed openmotif and now if i do anything with aptitude it wants me to un install it because it doesnt have all deprndicies met i need xlib6g |
| 03:55.09 | ootput | Vasistha: yeah, i resolved to do that at first |
| 03:55.23 | ootput | Vasistha: although, it's (a bit) irritating to see duplicates |
| 03:55.32 | ootput | OCD :D |
| 03:56.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper |
| 03:56.47 | Vasistha | ootput: well, it's going to depend how much you actually use the alternate kernels/options. |
| 03:56.47 | *** part/#debian drwahl (n=drwahl@74-60-14-105.sea.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 03:56.48 | *** join/#debian markybob (i=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 03:56.55 | luosm | Vasistha: I'll try, thanks |
| 03:57.05 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 03:57.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:57.13 | rahul | hi :) |
| 03:57.30 | markybob | hi :) gotta love it when a 2.6.18 kernel works flawlessly but 2.6.20.7 locks up your box |
| 03:57.37 | rahul | heh |
| 03:57.38 | markybob | go linux! |
| 03:57.40 | *** join/#debian drwahl (n=drwahl@74-60-14-105.sea.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 03:57.44 | rahul | debian's 2.6.18? |
| 03:57.49 | rahul | !kernel of instability |
| 03:57.50 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 03:57.51 | markybob | rahul: and vanilla |
| 03:57.56 | rahul | ... and ARSEability. |
| 03:58.00 | *** join/#debian aredhel (n=aredhel@pool-70-19-223-193.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:58.07 | ootput | Vasistha: yeah. my config is fairly vanilla - the only change being a vga=791 appendix |
| 03:58.17 | rahul | I recently upgraded to a debian-patched 2.6.18 |
| 03:58.39 | rahul | loss of devfs completely made me go nuts |
| 03:58.52 | rahul | still can't get things to work quite right |
| 03:59.29 | Vasistha | ootput: my advice would be to give up your "ocd" label and not worry about the whole thing ;-) |
| 03:59.30 | *** join/#debian unseensoul (i=unseenso@89-180-39-244.net.novis.pt) |
| 03:59.30 | markybob | rahul: mine's an acpi problem. worked, now it doesnt. need acpi on this laptop or else it overheats and freezes. it's a beautiful thing |
| 03:59.52 | spikeb | you can thank microsoft for that :) |
| 03:59.57 | rahul | heh yay |
| 04:00.27 | coldsteal | what is xlib6g |
| 04:00.35 | rahul | heh |
| 04:00.38 | ootput | Vasistha: :D |
| 04:00.38 | rahul | coldsteal: that's ancient |
| 04:00.42 | *** join/#debian Trollaxor (n=SpanishI@dsl-66-243-216-152.pivot.net) |
| 04:00.45 | rahul | coldsteal: are you running potato? |
| 04:01.01 | coldsteal | rahul: no im using debian lenny |
| 04:01.11 | luosm | Vasistha: those two lines |
| 04:01.11 | *** part/#debian Trollaxor (n=SpanishI@dsl-66-243-216-152.pivot.net) |
| 04:01.14 | luosm | ^@<4>psmouse.c: Failed to deactivate mouse on %s |
| 04:01.14 | luosm | ^@<4>psmouse.c: Failed to enable mouse on %s |
| 04:01.16 | rahul | !info xlib6g |
| 04:01.17 | markybob | great. reportbug doesnt even work. freezes on "Checking for newer versions" ...awesome. |
| 04:01.28 | rahul | 00:01 [freenode] [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Package 'xlib6g' does not exist. |
| 04:01.45 | coldsteal | any of u use opera? |
| 04:01.50 | Vasistha | yup |
| 04:01.50 | drwahl | i do |
| 04:01.58 | Vasistha | coldsteal: have you upgraded to 9.20? |
| 04:02.09 | coldsteal | what do i need for java/ flash and all that to work? |
| 04:02.34 | Vasistha | coldsteal: nothing special, it should work as well as it works on mozilla browsers |
| 04:02.38 | coldsteal | it works in firefox |
| 04:03.26 | h3xis | coldsteal, in the options there should be a java button or something under Content and tell it where your java dir is and validate it. as for flash, download it and install it to the ~./opera/plugins directory |
| 04:03.57 | Vasistha | coldsteal: I'd advise going to #opera on irc.opera.net |
| 04:03.57 | Vasistha | coldsteal: although most of europe is asleep right now, and the US is going to sleep, so it's not necessarily the best time to be asking :P |
| 04:04.04 | coldsteal | so i need a sepreate flash for opera |
| 04:04.31 | h3xis | coldsteal, no, you can point it to mozilla/firefox's plugins directory |
| 04:04.31 | *** join/#debian g3brown (n=tntjunki@cpe-024-211-085-134.sc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:04.41 | h3xis | it should detect it automatically if you already have flash installed for firefox |
| 04:04.45 | rcbarnes | How do I show what files a package installed? (My google queries are turning up a bunch of package repo lists, not how to do this...) |
| 04:04.46 | coldsteal | where are firefox's plugins |
| 04:05.15 | *** join/#debian dragonfly (n=dragonfl@host-175-206-220-24.midco.net) |
| 04:05.16 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@87-205-187-52.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 04:05.43 | g3brown | I'm running Backuppc 2.1.1 on Sarge (Debian 3.1). I want to upgrade to Backuppc 2.1.3. Can that be done with apt-get or do I need to download and untar stuff? |
| 04:06.49 | *** join/#debian oa__ (n=oa@AMontsouris-151-1-84-63.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:07.04 | dragonfly | I have an HP Deskjet 5550 hooked to my Windoze machine and it is shared, when I try to print to it from my Debian box, it will print, but everything is about 300% of the regular size....any ideas? |
| 04:07.32 | rcbarnes | ...anyone? |
| 04:09.04 | coldsteal | http://tmp.vfat.org/plugins.html |
| 04:09.30 | dragonfly | g3brown....try apt-cache policy backuppc |
| 04:09.46 | arencinosa | hi :) |
| 04:09.51 | arencinosa | I like to ask about statistics through `tc -s qdisc show' vs. `iptables -t mangle -L -x -v' |
| 04:09.57 | arencinosa | I am having two different results: |
| 04:10.02 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.08 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.13 | arencinosa | versus the iptables's one: |
| 04:10.18 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.23 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.29 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.34 | g3brown | dragonfly: list the installed version and a candiate version number. Both are the same. |
| 04:10.35 | arencinosa | in both, there are 23 packets, but `tc' counted 2048 bytes, and `iptables' just 1726 |
| 04:10.36 | dragonfly | g3brown, looks like if you use apt-get you will get version 2.1.2-6 |
| 04:10.40 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.54 | dragonfly | arencinosa, use pastebin for that much information please |
| 04:11.31 | arencinosa | dragonfly: sorry, but I am newbie here, ...could you please, tell me how to do it? |
| 04:12.37 | dragonfly | !tell arencinosa about pastebin |
| 04:12.49 | Improved | Who knows everything about installation ? :p |
| 04:13.12 | dragonfly | Improved, what do you mean by everything? |
| 04:13.29 | dragonfly | g3brown, are you using sarge or etch? |
| 04:13.35 | dragonfly | ...or lenny |
| 04:13.39 | Improved | - I want to ask how to make burn a DVD image - And how to install it on my PC |
| 04:13.41 | g3brown | dragonfly: sarge |
| 04:14.36 | dragonfly | Improved, i would suggest download the iso and then google for burning ISO to disk.....once the disk is done, boot from disk and the installation will start |
| 04:14.53 | Improved | I have it already at my PC - I have ISO dvd *.rar right now ;) |
| 04:14.56 | Improved | 4.5GB's |
| 04:15.00 | g3brown | dragonfly: I just setup the archive function and everything runs, but I can't open the archives with 7-zip or WinRAR on the PC side. Everything else is perfect, so I thought it might be a bug. |
| 04:15.07 | dragonfly | Improved, you do not need to download the dvd however...the netinstall cd works just fine and is much smaller to download, you just need internet connection during install |
| 04:15.40 | Improved | There's no difference now ;) - I'v allready downloaded, i'v got good internet connection, so that doesn't matter. |
| 04:15.48 | drwahl | im looking for a package to save CD/DVD to .sio |
| 04:15.50 | Improved | I just dunno how to burn that iso.rar file right now to DVD |
| 04:15.51 | drwahl | *iso |
| 04:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 768] by debhelper |
| 04:16.33 | dragonfly | Improved, you will need to "unzip" the file so that it ends with extension .iso rather than .rar....google on that as I don't remember the command off the top of my head |
| 04:16.51 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:17.02 | Improved | Command :p ? |
| 04:17.24 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-213.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 04:18.06 | Improved | I'll "unzip'ed" that file, it ends now with *.iso - Now i can directly burn that to DVD or what ? |
| 04:18.11 | Improved | I need to do something ? |
| 04:18.19 | dragonfly | drwahl, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-6509.html |
| 04:18.38 | *** join/#debian hardcampa (n=user@gentoo/user/hardcampa) |
| 04:18.45 | dragonfly | Improved, yes, an ISO can be directly burnt to a disk |
| 04:19.05 | *** join/#debian diskus (i=diskus@lelux.net) |
| 04:19.20 | Improved | And that will work, when i'll boot it ? |
| 04:19.24 | Improved | I mean, boot from CD? |
| 04:19.46 | dragonfly | yes....you cannot just copy the iso to the disk though |
| 04:20.02 | Improved | Yeah, i know, there's an option "Make an Image" |
| 04:20.07 | Improved | I'll select that one. |
| 04:20.45 | Improved | And now about the installation, do i need to know anything during it ? -> Or its like on winXP ? |
| 04:20.54 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 04:20.57 | *** join/#debian ShockSMX (n=swing@mail.sensorswitch.com) |
| 04:21.14 | rahul | uh |
| 04:21.23 | rahul | Improved: read the install guide, lazy bastard. |
| 04:21.56 | Improved | Its too long... Any person, could explain to me per 5minutes, or i would read all the text in tutorial for hours.. |
| 04:22.21 | dragonfly | Improved, if you have two computers, it might be a good idea to have the install guides available on one while you install on the other.....also if you have Windoze, and double click on the iso it should automatically walk you through the burning process |
| 04:22.22 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 04:23.18 | Improved | I have 1 Computer :p - And i'm using winXP sp2 right now, and i want to install debian linux - I'm just asking, is it same easy as XP ? |
| 04:23.20 | dragonfly | Improved, for a newbie, it's fairly straight forward like XP, though there are a few choices you get to make...when in doubt, choose the recommended choice |
| 04:23.35 | Improved | K |
| 04:23.57 | Improved | Some1 said, what during installation i need to create a partition for memory or smth, don't remember what he told me |
| 04:23.59 | *** join/#debian xixor (n=xixor@S010600179adc7088.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 04:24.00 | Improved | Is it true ? |
| 04:24.05 | Improved | that* |
| 04:24.11 | maddash | damn, how i wish xp had chroot |
| 04:24.33 | arencinosa | Improved: yes, swap |
| 04:24.33 | sep | Improved, creating a swap partition can increse your computers performance yes |
| 04:24.54 | Improved | How i could create it, and don't damage my other partitions ? |
| 04:24.58 | dragonfly | Improved, you will need to choose a root partition during the install and it is also a good idea to create a swap partition |
| 04:25.03 | *** part/#debian nadim (n=nadim@216.18.0.60) |
| 04:25.04 | Improved | Becouse i have 4 of them, all of them are more than 50% full |
| 04:25.10 | hardcampa | swap never ever increased performance on anything |
| 04:25.26 | dragonfly | Improved, you would only be able to do that if you have free space that is not currently part of a partition |
| 04:25.40 | sep | hardcampa, indeed it does. linux uses agressive swapping |
| 04:25.40 | arencinosa | Improved: maybe you should let the partitioner to do that for you |
| 04:26.16 | sep | hardcampa, google for it |
| 04:26.16 | arencinosa | Improved: during the instalation, I mean |
| 04:26.16 | dragonfly | Improved, you may want to plan this out before you start and clear out a partition to use as your linux root partion |
| 04:26.16 | hardcampa | sep not in real life |
| 04:26.17 | Improved | Couldn't I make swap right now ? With a program ? |
| 04:26.19 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 04:26.42 | amphi | Improved: you could use a swap file |
| 04:26.45 | dragonfly | Improved, i would recommend making space for it, but let the installer actually format it and set it up for you |
| 04:26.59 | dragonfly | now, can anyone help with my printer? |
| 04:27.00 | sep | hardcampa, how can having more ram available for harddrive caching/buffering not give a performance ingrease :) |
| 04:27.17 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 04:27.30 | Improved | How many space do you recommend for swap ? |
| 04:27.31 | hardcampa | sep I know what you mean. but that's only if you always start the same programs and don't ... you know fool around |
| 04:28.25 | hardcampa | like you normally do with a desktop computer |
| 04:28.25 | sep | hardcampa, anyways i experience it myself so i probably am not a real life person then.. |
| 04:28.25 | Improved | - ~How many space do you recommend for swap ? - |
| 04:28.30 | arencinosa | Improved: the doble of the space of RAM, but just if you have less than 512Mb |
| 04:28.30 | amphi | sep: condolences ;) |
| 04:28.40 | Improved | I have 768 |
| 04:28.51 | xixor | I don't think I have used my swap partiion in a few years |
| 04:29.15 | sep | hardcampa, i never fool around so i woudn't know.. :P |
| 04:29.17 | arencinosa | Improved: then maybe you should reserve 780 or so for swap |
| 04:29.21 | hardcampa | sep heh |
| 04:30.12 | hardcampa | well.. swap sure won't enhance performance is my point. Once you want that proram that's on the hd, all that nice performance is gone. |
| 04:30.24 | hardcampa | s/proram/program/ |
| 04:30.29 | drwahl | i had a professor that said swap should = RAM, because if swap is more than RAM, then more cpu cylces are being used swaping memory in and out of swap than being used to process the processes |
| 04:30.37 | sep | and my desktop have a lot of ram so it's not very noticeable. but on the smaller workstations (those are desktops) with only 256 and 512 it's quite noticeable |
| 04:31.08 | hardcampa | drwahl swap = RAM is an old saying actually it goes swap = ram * 2 |
| 04:31.10 | amphi | swap keeps the OOM-killer at bay |
| 04:31.14 | hardcampa | that simply makes no sense though |
| 04:31.22 | amphi | it does, actually |
| 04:31.28 | hardcampa | If you don't use swap you don't need it |
| 04:31.43 | hardcampa | it's idiotic to allocate 2 gig swap if you got 1 gig ram |
| 04:31.47 | markybob | fucking fuck! die nvidia, die! |
| 04:31.50 | hardcampa | if you only intent do run abiword and such |
| 04:31.52 | hardcampa | =) |
| 04:32.01 | sep | hardcampa, most of the boot and shutdown that's in ram are swapped out since you wont need it again until you reboot. so you do free up useable ram, even if you never swap out programs you use. |
| 04:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 04:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 04:32.50 | hardcampa | sep.. ah ok at that point I can see it being good. |
| 04:32.52 | drwahl | i understand that it doesnt make sense to allocate swap if you are not going to use it, but i also dont think that it makes sense to have more swap than RAM |
| 04:33.57 | sep | you just need so much swap to hold the programs not needed during the normal operation of the machine. 2 * ram was on the 2.4 kernel i usualy have a few hundred |
| 04:33.57 | hardcampa | drwahl it doesn't make sense to allocate swap until you know what you're going to do with the computer |
| 04:33.57 | hardcampa | generally 512 meg of swap should be enough |
| 04:33.57 | sep | since if your starting to trash swap, you'r performance WILL DIE!! |
| 04:33.58 | *** join/#debian asd (n=markus@p57A5FD95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:34.02 | sep | yeh 512 is quite good enoufh on a desktop system. (uless ofcourse you start a shitload of programs and leave them idle for ages) :) |
| 04:34.09 | hardcampa | sep yeah |
| 04:34.22 | *** join/#debian xbaez (n=xbaez@189.154.39.219) |
| 04:34.23 | hardcampa | point is...if you find that your computer uses lots and lots of swap you really need more ram |
| 04:34.26 | amphi | hardcampa: you might find http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html of interest |
| 04:34.26 | sep | but HD is cheap nowdays so 10GB swap is no problem either :) |
| 04:34.36 | xbaez | hi |
| 04:34.58 | dragonfly | hardcampa, was that supposed to be sourceforge or did u mean to type sourcefrog |
| 04:35.08 | spikeb | sourcefrog! |
| 04:35.16 | asd | hi all, we got a new file server with a Intel core 2 prozessor. the sales person told us that it will be getter to use teh 32 bit version of debian then the 64 bit since it is more stabel. is he right? |
| 04:35.32 | drwahl | hardcampa: agreed |
| 04:35.32 | hardcampa | dragonfly ? where did I type that |
| 04:35.38 | *** join/#debian warjest` (n=sk@adsl-83-198-56.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:35.44 | dragonfly | oops, that was amphi that typed that |
| 04:35.45 | dmilith | asd: bull shit |
| 04:35.48 | n3kl | which one has a file for each email, mbox or maildir? I can't remember |
| 04:35.49 | hardcampa | =) |
| 04:35.55 | *** join/#debian ubd (n=ubd@85.104.130.133) |
| 04:36.06 | dmilith | asd: i'm using 64bit debian since i have my amd64 x2 |
| 04:36.16 | dmilith | i have 2 machines like this one |
| 04:36.20 | Improved | hardcampa look at your private |
| 04:36.22 | sep | amphi, rigth good point. i didnt even mention the swap of pages vs swap of programs |
| 04:36.26 | xbaez | n3kl, both do the same thing |
| 04:36.27 | dmilith | both have >50days of uptime |
| 04:36.38 | sep | basicaly swap is goood shit :) |
| 04:36.45 | amphi | sep: yup |
| 04:36.56 | asd | dmilith: so there is no difference in stability or driver support? |
| 04:36.58 | ubd | hi. i installed an irc client but it doesnt show up in the menu. whys that? |
| 04:37.11 | dmilith | asd: using 32bit os on 64bit machine could be a reason of problems.. |
| 04:37.16 | sep | or we should call it "paging" to avoid confusion with the old bad swap name |
| 04:37.17 | dmilith | asd: no? why? |
| 04:37.19 | drwahl | asd: i have found a couple issues with some programs that dont work on the 64bit (skype namely) |
| 04:37.24 | dmilith | asd: try etch 64 |
| 04:37.33 | markybob | asd debian stable is debian stable. i run 64-bit on production servers and they're just fine |
| 04:37.40 | Improved | Strange... Whenever i PM any person here in their private, they dissapear, ill pmed arencinosa, since then, she doesn't speaks in channel and in private didn't answered, now same shit with hardcampa... |
| 04:37.42 | Improved | Wtf ? |
| 04:37.50 | dmilith | drwahl: hmm. yes ofcourse.. like flash in web browsers.. |
| 04:37.53 | n3kl | I have a swarm of amd64 machines runnin 32 bit oses, no problems here. |
| 04:38.14 | ubd | 2.nd question: how can i learn if i am using the stable release or testing? |
| 04:38.28 | dmilith | but you could just install 32bit subsystem, or only some 32bit libs.. and every 64bit processor (x86_64) has 32bit enviroment support |
| 04:38.31 | asd | dmilith + markybob: thx. that's what I thought. I just wanted to get other opinions |
| 04:38.43 | drwahl | asd: so the biggest concern would be to make sure that the packages you are going to use are either 64bit capable, or can be emulated |
| 04:38.47 | dmilith | ubd: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:38.52 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-198-54.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:39.03 | amphi | Improved: you're the kiss of death |
| 04:39.26 | drwahl | dmilith: where were you earlier? i was asking that about 6 hours ago and the only answer i got was "find a statically linked skype" |
| 04:39.39 | arencinosa | haha, arencinosa is not a 'her', is a 'he' ;) |
| 04:39.52 | dmilith | asd: no stability problems. only problems with some apps which can't work under 64bit enviroment.. but you just could run them.. using 32bit subsys |
| 04:39.57 | Improved | So can some1 answer - Do i need to create special SWAP partition or no ? - And if i do - how much space i should add there (i have 260GB's and 768Rams) - And yes, i will a lots of programs passive running for weeks ;) (But not for months) |
| 04:40.01 | Improved | ups |
| 04:40.01 | amphi | she's a he? |
| 04:40.03 | asd | drwahl: we use it only as a file server. so apt-get I guess knows what to take |
| 04:40.06 | arencinosa | Improved: I guess that for some reason, private messages are not supported here |
| 04:40.22 | ubd | dmilith, cat output is 4.0 but it doesnt state testing or stable |
| 04:40.23 | Improved | Strange :p |
| 04:40.27 | amphi | not if you ain't identified to services |
| 04:40.44 | Improved | So can some1 answer - Do i need to create special SWAP partition or no ? - And if i do - how much space i should add there (i have 260GB's and 768Rams) - And yes, i will leave a lots of programs passive running for weeks ;) (But not for months) |
| 04:40.45 | drwahl | asd: yes, apt-get knows your arch, and will fetch the correct packages. samba/nfs should be just fine in a 64bit environment |
| 04:40.46 | amphi | and not popular even if you are |
| 04:40.59 | dmilith | ubd: it is.. if it wouldn't be stable you'll get "unstable/testing" |
| 04:41.15 | amphi | Improved: just go with ram x 2 - it'll do no harm |
| 04:41.19 | arencinosa | Improved: I guess 512Mb - 700Mb will be ok |
| 04:41.23 | *** join/#debian K1LL-9 (n=~~~@201.15.159.109) |
| 04:41.28 | asd | thx all |
| 04:41.28 | *** join/#debian hunshad (n=gentoo@modemcable130.189-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:41.29 | dragonfly | Improved, yes, make a swap partition say maybe 2 gigs and you should be good go for a long long time |
| 04:41.29 | ubd | thanks dmilith, btw can u recommend me a drop down terminal for gnome? |
| 04:41.30 | drwahl | dmilith: i tried downloading skype from the repo (via apt-get) and it said it couldnt find it, so i downloaded the .deb, and it said my arch isnt supported. how should i instsall it in that case? |
| 04:41.41 | arencinosa | but some of this people think that 512Mb of swap is enogh |
| 04:41.52 | dmilith | ubd: hm? drop down? You mean?' |
| 04:42.03 | Improved | I don't care about space ;) I have 260GB's of my computer, or is there any more difference at it ? |
| 04:42.07 | drwahl | like yakuake? |
| 04:42.27 | hunshad | how I can change the configuration of my keyboard |
| 04:42.47 | dmilith | drwahl: yes.. it's normal. you need to install 32 bit apps this way: dpkg -i nameoffile.deb --force-architecture |
| 04:43.03 | arencinosa | amphi: what is that of "identified to services"? |
| 04:43.08 | drwahl | dmilith: ok... i will give that a shot when i get home |
| 04:43.09 | K1LL-9 | Alguém do brasil ? |
| 04:43.13 | dmilith | but have in mind that You'll need some of 32bit libs to run some apps which may need them |
| 04:43.17 | ubd | yes drwahl! |
| 04:43.23 | markybob | !br |
| 04:43.23 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 04:43.26 | arencinosa | amphi: is it something related with my nick and my real name? |
| 04:43.37 | Improved | Okay, i have 768 ddram's - And ill make swap partition with 2 GB's - It won't make any problems ? |
| 04:43.44 | K1LL-9 | tnks |
| 04:43.45 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 04:43.51 | *** join/#debian rstanca (n=radu@86.125.228.29) |
| 04:44.11 | dragonfly | nope |
| 04:44.13 | *** part/#debian K1LL-9 (n=~~~@201.15.159.109) |
| 04:44.17 | Improved | Finnaly :) |
| 04:44.33 | Improved | Thanks. |
| 04:44.45 | hunshad | how I can change the configuration of my keyboard |
| 04:44.48 | amphi | arencinosa: registered and identified with nickserv |
| 04:45.05 | arencinosa | amphi: and how can I change that? |
| 04:45.13 | amphi | arencinosa: /msg nickserv help |
| 04:45.25 | arencinosa | huhshad: setxkbmap? |
| 04:46.38 | *** join/#debian Shock (n=swing@d166h78.resnet.uconn.edu) |
| 04:47.24 | *** join/#debian DavidProck1981 (i=DavidPro@cpe-065-188-207-085.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 04:48.13 | ubd | yakuake would run ok in gnome? |
| 04:48.21 | drwahl | uh.... :) not sure |
| 04:48.24 | drwahl | i use kde :) |
| 04:48.44 | ubd | kde 4 will rock! |
| 04:49.35 | drwahl | i dont know why a package would run in kde and not in gnome, but that isnt saying much :) |
| 04:50.05 | ubd | ok i will go to #ubuntu. theres no respect to n00bs here |
| 04:50.07 | *** join/#debian sk4nK (n=brenton@203.206.115.83) |
| 04:50.34 | Improved | noob isn't same as newbie |
| 04:50.39 | Improved | if you noob, no1 will likey a |
| 04:50.45 | n3kl | ubd: true |
| 04:50.53 | hunshad | lol |
| 04:50.55 | *** join/#debian qweqweqwe (n=chatterb@tropyx.com) |
| 04:51.08 | qweqweqwe | greetings debian gurus |
| 04:51.31 | qweqweqwe | i'm new to deb (but not to linux) and was wondering... |
| 04:51.45 | *** join/#debian stevec (n=chisholm@hlfxns0148w-142167244191.ns.aliant.net) |
| 04:51.49 | qweqweqwe | what are the neatest admin tools in debian?? |
| 04:52.02 | markybob | vim |
| 04:52.07 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 04:52.09 | n3kl | haha |
| 04:52.10 | *** join/#debian MLimburg (n=MLimburg@219.90.255.177) |
| 04:52.11 | reiser2 | hi |
| 04:52.12 | spikeb | my opinion would be gnome-system-tools and synaptic :) |
| 04:52.14 | dondelelcaro | qweqweqwe: depends what you want to do; most of us use a shell and an editor. |
| 04:52.26 | qweqweqwe | so no yast ;-) ?? |
| 04:52.37 | *** join/#debian ThePlumber (n=user@208-45-125-110.dlth.qwest.net) |
| 04:52.40 | markybob | hell no |
| 04:52.45 | n3kl | spikeb: admintools != gui imho |
| 04:52.45 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: dpkg* |
| 04:52.49 | krazykit | ugh, yast? |
| 04:52.49 | qweqweqwe | well i would like to set up one of the servers to print on my office printer |
| 04:53.05 | ThePlumber | markybob: so, where does sarge end and etch begin? |
| 04:53.06 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 04:53.07 | dpkg | hmm... cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 04:53.11 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: ^^^ |
| 04:53.12 | spikeb | n3kl, they don't have to be, but clearly i was correct in assumming he was asking about said tools. |
| 04:53.14 | ThePlumber | markybob: seems to me that is a fine line |
| 04:53.14 | n3kl | qweqweqwe: apt is far better |
| 04:53.20 | markybob | ThePlumber: ...what the hell? |
| 04:53.48 | hunshad | hey somebody know the command of gentoo |
| 04:53.49 | ThePlumber | markybob: im just updating libs and i was just wondering out loud -to you- |
| 04:53.49 | drwahl | how do i dpkg a 32bit *.deb under 64bit? |
| 04:53.50 | reiser2 | i want to know why if there is 68272 Inodes availables, and i do this ----> locate / | split -1 -a 10 -d that created 230200 files |
| 04:53.55 | dondelelcaro | ThePlumber: uh... they're completely separate... |
| 04:53.59 | n3kl | spikeb: fair point |
| 04:54.08 | markybob | ThePlumber: i havent a clue what you mean or what you're talking about. sorry |
| 04:54.13 | qweqweqwe | hunshad: |
| 04:54.16 | reiser2 | why the inodes don't get down ? |
| 04:54.16 | qweqweqwe | hunshad: huh? |
| 04:54.19 | cafuego | reiser2: are you using reiserfs? |
| 04:54.21 | *** join/#debian hxizan_ (n=hxizan@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 04:54.24 | hunshad | Mmmm |
| 04:54.27 | hunshad | ok |
| 04:54.33 | reiser2 | 57243 |
| 04:54.39 | reiser2 | no |
| 04:54.39 | qweqweqwe | right, so the answer is there are no cool debian admin tools then? :-S |
| 04:54.43 | reiser2 | ext3 |
| 04:55.03 | ThePlumber | qweqweqwe: i use xterm |
| 04:55.06 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: There re, but they're SO cool, most people hate them (like vim ;-) |
| 04:55.12 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: by your definition of cool, yea |
| 04:55.13 | ThePlumber | i still consider it cheating though |
| 04:55.15 | qweqweqwe | i use gnome-terminal |
| 04:55.27 | markybob | hrm. bugs.debian.org doing ok? seems to be taking unusually long for bug reports that i've submitted to be listed |
| 04:55.31 | *** part/#debian hunshad (n=gentoo@modemcable130.189-131-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 04:55.38 | arencinosa | can any of you help me with pastebin? I am getting a 'HTTP/1.1 417 Expectation Failed' error |
| 04:55.40 | qweqweqwe | right, but all *nixes have vi, it isn't much of a show stopper |
| 04:55.41 | DavidProck1981 | hay i need major help installing my nvidia drivers, made 5 different attempts, and on every one of them the xserver cant load, im on windows now and cant remember all hte messages |
| 04:56.05 | cafuego | reiser2: I expect it didn't use anye xtra inodes because your command is not correct (did you forget xargs?) |
| 04:56.27 | ThePlumber | DavidProck1981: whats wrong? |
| 04:56.37 | reiser2 | ?? |
| 04:56.45 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@p54A52F27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:56.46 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: True, but when it comes to software management, other unixes don't have 'dpkg and apt'. |
| 04:56.46 | amphi | arencinosa: that's a great error |
| 04:56.52 | DavidProck1981 | dont know, after i install the xserver will not load |
| 04:57.01 | arencinosa | amphi: huh? |
| 04:57.14 | arencinosa | amphi: am I missing something? |
| 04:57.20 | ThePlumber | DavidProck1981: did you edit your /etc/X11/XF86config file? |
| 04:57.23 | reiser2 | but |
| 04:57.25 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 04:57.28 | reiser2 | there is the files created |
| 04:57.30 | markybob | DavidProck1981: really doesnt dawn on you to write down the error and other info since we're not psychics? |
| 04:57.38 | reiser2 | so, each have to take one inode |
| 04:57.40 | ThePlumber | DavidProck1981: using "nv" as your display driver? |
| 04:57.42 | qweqweqwe | cafuego: apt, yum, yast, rpm, make, woeva |
| 04:57.43 | amphi | arencinosa: '417 Expectation Failed' has considerable charm IMHO |
| 04:57.58 | *** join/#debian patriganza (n=patrigan@203.87.192.130) |
| 04:58.06 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: Yes, yum, yast and rpm all suck. lots. |
| 04:58.13 | *** join/#debian guinessroxors (n=guinessr@adsl-75-24-195-144.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:58.14 | DavidProck1981 | i saw nv and nvidia options, i picked the nvidia |
| 04:58.21 | qweqweqwe | not really they all do the same job imo |
| 04:58.25 | cafuego | 'make' is not a management tool, it just dumps files everywhere. |
| 04:58.44 | DavidProck1981 | from useing module-assistant |
| 04:58.53 | spikeb | module-assistant rules. |
| 04:59.02 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: I've used 'em all, and none compare favourably to apt. |
| 04:59.04 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 04:59.05 | qweqweqwe | emerge - now there's a cool pkg manager |
| 04:59.05 | guinessroxors | can anyone suggest a wiki engine that does has good user access control and also syntax highlighting? something small/light |
| 04:59.11 | arencinosa | amphi: ...sorry again, but I don't understand :( |
| 04:59.17 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 04:59.20 | ThePlumber | DavidProck1981: look for the line that says "Driver" and change its argument to "nv" |
| 04:59.24 | amphi | arencinosa: no matter |
| 04:59.28 | reiser2 | how much inodes is created buy file? |
| 04:59.32 | reiser2 | by file? |
| 04:59.43 | arencinosa | ...I guess I get it... |
| 04:59.46 | DavidProck1981 | ok, let me reboot into linux |
| 04:59.54 | arencinosa | let me try again... |
| 05:00.42 | *** join/#debian c0nv1ct (n=convict@151hood236.hctc.com) |
| 05:00.47 | MLimburg | hey folks .. quick question if you're able .. does anyone know where i can alter the default settings on the dimensions of gnome dialog boxes? specifically, i want to double the height of the "save" dialog .. |
| 05:00.55 | ThePlumber | DavidProck1981: just edit the /etc/XF86Config file and change the display line (or check it and make sure your not already using it) to "nv" <-- all lowercase |
| 05:01.01 | ubd | why arent my partitions auto mounted? |
| 05:01.16 | qweqweqwe | cafuego: yeah but it's *just* package management, once a system is set up and stable there's no longer much use for it |
| 05:01.32 | markybob | wow |
| 05:01.56 | ThePlumber | does dbus do automounting? |
| 05:02.22 | *** join/#debian cybermad (n=cybermad@222.124.75.127) |
| 05:02.35 | ubd | how the . i should know that |
| 05:04.20 | arencinosa | amphi: ...nope, I still don't understand why I am getting that error |
| 05:04.28 | ThePlumber | ubd: thats some pretty fould language |
| 05:04.36 | amphi | arencinosa: nor I |
| 05:04.49 | cybermad | i got this problem: Warning: mkdir() [function.mkdir]: Permission denied in /var/www/faq/install/installer.php on line 278 the script can not make directory ( /attachments, /data, etc). How to chmod the script so can have access to create directory? i tried chmod 755 faq/ but still problem |
| 05:04.59 | qweqweqwe | sorry i'm not trying to be rude, but it just spins me out that the debian crowd still think good package management is a standout feature. |
| 05:05.04 | arencinosa | amphi: huh? |
| 05:05.05 | qweqweqwe | not trolling, just asking |
| 05:05.23 | cafuego | qweqweqwe: Except not. |
| 05:05.34 | qweqweqwe | you can use apt on red hat, and you get all the rh config tools as well... |
| 05:05.37 | spikeb | it _is_ a standout feature. |
| 05:05.51 | qweqweqwe | but it runs on other linuxs too, so it isn't |
| 05:05.57 | *** join/#debian teclo- (i=42@83.101.7.25) |
| 05:06.04 | cybermad | actually i can mkdir manually, but i need just do chmod something.. so the script will run |
| 05:06.11 | ubd | package management!? synaptic want to remove gnome desptop if i uninstall gnome games. what a management! |
| 05:06.18 | spikeb | the debian crowd invented standout package management. they can crow about it til they die. |
| 05:06.20 | ThePlumber | i think dpkg is like solving a riddle sometimes, do it enough and you get good at it |
| 05:06.25 | amphi | !moron ubd |
| 05:06.25 | dpkg | ubd: You are moron #70 |
| 05:06.27 | cafuego | cybermad: mkdir by hand, make sure the script can write to the resulting dirs (chown them to www-data) |
| 05:06.28 | qweqweqwe | spikeb: lol |
| 05:06.29 | ThePlumber | better than tetris |
| 05:06.59 | maddash | ubd: you're not doing it right |
| 05:07.04 | ThePlumber | dpkg is much funner than apt |
| 05:07.10 | cybermad | ok thanks |
| 05:07.11 | ThePlumber | keeps you on your toes |
| 05:07.16 | qweqweqwe | ThePlumber: ok that is cool |
| 05:07.23 | markybob | ubd it's a fucking metapackage. |
| 05:07.55 | spikeb | settle down. |
| 05:08.05 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 05:08.05 | dpkg | hmm... bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 05:08.45 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.4.179.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 05:09.13 | *** join/#debian CapriSkye (n=hi@user-2b2788.user.msu.edu) |
| 05:09.36 | *** join/#debian lunatico (n=lunatic@ARennes-351-1-43-66.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:09.37 | ubd | so what? markybob. unmetapackage it. |
| 05:09.49 | amphi | oh, dear |
| 05:10.22 | markybob | ubd it's because of people like you that not everyone believes in evolution. |
| 05:10.29 | ubd | i feel lucky cuz a hairy dick wallpaper is not included in that package |
| 05:10.48 | ThePlumber | so im trying to install OPENGL (required by stellarium) and i cant figure out what package its in, there are so many! what do you install on SARGE to get the opengl library? |
| 05:11.10 | spikeb | markybob, and it's because of people like you that debian has a reputation of being the distro of assholes. calm down. |
| 05:11.34 | ThePlumber | I thought i had it but i get an "X11 driver not configured with OpenGL)? |
| 05:11.46 | amphi | spikeb: ubd is being more than a little tiresome |
| 05:11.54 | ubd | evolution. bah. whats your justification of ununinstallabity of gnome games |
| 05:11.57 | spikeb | i agree. doesn't excuse markybob though. |
| 05:12.10 | shogunx | ThePlumber what video card have you? |
| 05:12.13 | ThePlumber | i have "load glx" in my XF86config |
| 05:12.17 | amphi | ThePlumber: you have the necessary kernel support? |
| 05:12.20 | ThePlumber | and geforce ii |
| 05:12.30 | markybob | spikeb: who the hell are you? i've been coming here since '98 helping people |
| 05:12.31 | ThePlumber | yes, just compiled 2.6.20 |
| 05:13.03 | amphi | ubd: the gnome games are not uninstallable |
| 05:13.08 | ThePlumber | it all gets confusing with fb/gl/opengl/glut etc, but i believe i have the necessary packesage |
| 05:13.11 | shogunx | ThePlumber is the driver set to "nvidia" in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 05:13.20 | ThePlumber | glgears works and get 204fps |
| 05:13.29 | ubd | how will i uninstall them? without uninstalling gnome |
| 05:13.41 | ThePlumber | no, set to "nv" in my XF86config |
| 05:13.41 | spikeb | apt-get remove gnome-games |
| 05:13.44 | ThePlumber | running SARGE |
| 05:14.00 | markybob | ubd it's not uninstalling gnome. again, it's a metapackage. |
| 05:14.07 | ThePlumber | i used to run opengl on a voodoo card in 96 |
| 05:14.12 | amphi | ubd: gnome-desktop is a metapackage, a list of dependencies |
| 05:14.13 | arencinosa | can any of you help me with this? http://www.pastebin.ca/447615 |
| 05:14.19 | *** join/#debian KgirL (n=carol@143.106.24.250) |
| 05:14.28 | ThePlumber | isnt the driver /lib/opensomthingorother |
| 05:14.33 | shogunx | ThePlumber, I use matrox myself. DRI support in the kernel. |
| 05:14.38 | ubd | damn. i forgot my root passwd |
| 05:14.55 | arencinosa | Apachez told me that maybe it might be because of ethernet header |
| 05:15.04 | *** join/#debian CapriSkye (n=hi@user-2b2788.user.msu.edu) |
| 05:15.06 | ThePlumber | have it, running svga in 1024/768, the whole 9 yards |
| 05:15.18 | rcbarnes | How do I show what files a package (gotten through apt-get) has installed? (I can't get my google queries to answer this question instead of just retuning a bunch of repos contents. . .) |
| 05:15.19 | arencinosa | ubd: but you do know how to recover it, right? |
| 05:15.27 | ThePlumber | quake 2 everything |
| 05:15.33 | markybob | rcbarnes: dpkg -L foo |
| 05:15.43 | GhostlyDeath | What utility can help me find hidden files in a disc? |
| 05:15.46 | ubd | recover my memory? |
| 05:15.51 | ThePlumber | how do you -confirm- that you have opengl? i tried glxgears and it works great |
| 05:15.59 | *** join/#debian CapriSkye (n=hi@user-2b2788.user.msu.edu) |
| 05:16.02 | arencinosa | ubd: haha, the password, I mean |
| 05:16.14 | shogunx | ThePlumber, then you hsould have the mesa libraries installed. do you tax out your processer running gl on it instead of offloading it to the gpu? |
| 05:16.17 | amphi | ThePlumber: glxinfo I believe |
| 05:16.22 | ubd | no i do not need a pass. im a natural born root |
| 05:16.34 | ThePlumber | shogunx: dunno will check |
| 05:16.35 | arencinosa | ubd: :) |
| 05:16.38 | ThePlumber | 204fps |
| 05:16.40 | amphi | it degenerates |
| 05:16.51 | *** join/#debian crazy_penguin (n=crzp@86.105.69.248) |
| 05:16.57 | shogunx | ThePlumber, and what does top say your processor usage is? |
| 05:17.16 | amphi | ThePlumber: that's not good - my ancient radeon does 900+ |
| 05:17.22 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 05:17.37 | ThePlumber | top say 96%.... ouch, |
| 05:17.46 | ThePlumber | so apparently im doing something wrong |
| 05:17.56 | ThePlumber | damn |
| 05:17.56 | ubd | arencinosa, do you agree that gnome sucks? |
| 05:18.05 | shogunx | ThePlumber, no, thats about normal for software gl. |
| 05:18.07 | ThePlumber | well :-0 here somethin i can upgrade! |
| 05:18.12 | ThePlumber | a challenge |
| 05:18.14 | n3kl | how do you create a mailbox? |
| 05:18.21 | markybob | ThePlumber: 204 is pretty bad :) install libgl1-mesa-glx and libglu1-mesa |
| 05:18.32 | ThePlumber | cool! will do |
| 05:18.39 | arencinosa | udb: ...why? I like kde, but gnome is ok |
| 05:18.50 | ThePlumber | i thought i had them installed though, is there a module i should be running? |
| 05:19.11 | arencinosa | ubd: I don't like the gnome "Save" dialog, ...but |
| 05:19.12 | *** join/#debian brendonjt (n=brendon@124.197.11.193) |
| 05:19.16 | arencinosa | ... |
| 05:19.53 | ubd | arencinosa, it doenst even accepts correct passwords |
| 05:19.55 | shogunx | ThePlumber, I suggest getting a video card with DRI support in the kernel. That way you do not have to use proprietary drivers to do rendering on the gpu. |
| 05:20.15 | arencinosa | ubd: :-) |
| 05:20.23 | ThePlumber | shogunx: so the nvidia is is a prop driver? |
| 05:20.27 | ThePlumber | shit |
| 05:20.40 | shogunx | the glx component is. |
| 05:20.42 | amphi | ThePlumber: an evil blob ;) |
| 05:20.52 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! |
| 05:21.02 | ThePlumber | whats a good card with built in DRI? what the hell is dri? |
| 05:21.07 | shogunx | the nv driver you are using is open source, however. |
| 05:21.09 | *** join/#debian drako (n=ljd@nelug/coreteam/luisjose) |
| 05:21.10 | brendonjt | hey there all i have a palm IIIx how cani sync my email with it, as you do with outlook |
| 05:21.19 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure |
| 05:21.31 | ThePlumber | i would assume dm=direct rendering |
| 05:21.35 | maddash | one chicken, two chickens; one cow, two cows; one fox, two foxes; one Linux, two ? |
| 05:21.54 | amphi | maddash: 'lunices' |
| 05:21.57 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 05:22.28 | enouf | 'lunatix' |
| 05:22.30 | maddash | amphi: is that a typo? the u and i are switched.. |
| 05:22.52 | shogunx | ThePlumber Direct Rendering Interface = DRI. Look in your kernel with make menuconfig or make xconfig, and check out device drivers/character devices. there is a section for graphics hardware, and essentially a list of supported hardware. |
| 05:23.04 | *** join/#debian Openix (n=theballz@60-234-247-77.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 05:23.11 | amphi | maddash: 'linuces' is not euphonious, so I propose an irregular plural |
| 05:23.23 | arencinosa | ...please, any help with http://www.pastebin.ca/447615 |
| 05:23.30 | enouf | and i throw in a nutbag |
| 05:23.38 | shogunx | ThePlumber, those voodoo's are on the list iirc. |
| 05:23.59 | arencinosa | amphi: do you know how can I "declare" my name here? something like REGISTER SET NAME or something? |
| 05:24.18 | ThePlumber | i miss my vodoo card, it got too hot |
| 05:24.29 | amphi | arencinosa: nickserv will tell you - try 'help register' |
| 05:24.35 | ubd | sudo doesnt work in debian? |
| 05:24.41 | amphi | no |
| 05:24.44 | ThePlumber | lol |
| 05:24.56 | ubd | why |
| 05:24.57 | arencinosa | ubd: yes, of course |
| 05:25.09 | ubd | yes it doesnt work? |
| 05:25.13 | enouf | arencinosa: try /nickserv help |
| 05:25.19 | cybermad | why i got this: problem debian:/var/www# wget http://www.site.com/logo_Global(small).jpg bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 05:25.24 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@58.71.19.178) |
| 05:25.45 | brendonjt | hey there all i have a palm IIIx how cani sync my email with it, as you do with outlook |
| 05:25.51 | markybob | you have to install it and configure it for it to work. |
| 05:25.59 | arencinosa | ubd: just do 'visudo' and add the users you want :) |
| 05:26.18 | maddash | ubd: first you need to install sudo |
| 05:26.31 | brendonjt | markybob, are you talking to me? |
| 05:26.41 | arencinosa | enouf: ok, I did, and now what? I already registered my nick, but I didn't need to supply my real name |
| 05:26.47 | markybob | brendonjt: no |
| 05:26.49 | arencinosa | enouf: is there a way? |
| 05:26.51 | ThePlumber | shogunx: a couple of my thinkpads have savage cards and i missed it! heh |
| 05:26.51 | ubd | ok thanks im no sudo addict. |
| 05:27.02 | amphi | arencinosa: arencinosa isn't your real name? |
| 05:27.26 | amphi | ThePlumber: heh, my t22 had an absurdly named 's3 savage' |
| 05:27.34 | enouf | arencinosa: is there a way to do what? |
| 05:27.39 | arencinosa | amphi: haha, no, Alejandro Ramos ENCINOSA, ...nice to meet to all of you, guys :-) |
| 05:27.51 | ThePlumber | shogunx: i gotta rage128 too, i should use that instead |
| 05:28.06 | *** join/#debian LegolasV (n=Legolas@84-53-73-98.adsl.unet.nl) |
| 05:28.19 | arencinosa | enouf: to put my real name into my info or something |
| 05:28.26 | ThePlumber | amphi: i wonder if the t20s have dri? |
| 05:28.29 | enouf | !greet arencinosa |
| 05:28.29 | dpkg | Hi there, arencinosa |
| 05:29.00 | ThePlumber | i didn't see the trident in there, thats on the r30 |
| 05:29.16 | enouf | arencinosa: in your irc client you can make it whatever you like .. afaik |
| 05:29.25 | amphi | ThePlumber: those cards have no 3d accel AFAIK |
| 05:29.59 | arencinosa | enouf: I use ksirc (in fact, is the only one I know, that's why) |
| 05:30.10 | ThePlumber | amphi: alas and shit! |
| 05:30.13 | arencinosa | enouf: do you know how to do that? |
| 05:30.26 | enouf | configure ksirc |
| 05:30.31 | ThePlumber | well, its inspiring to know that out of the 50 cards i have, one works |
| 05:30.35 | ThePlumber | rock and roll! |
| 05:30.40 | amphi | ThePlumber: dunno about the r30 |
| 05:30.56 | arencinosa | enouf: I already declare my "real name" into ksirc |
| 05:30.57 | ThePlumber | all the stinkpad video cards suck eggs |
| 05:31.01 | enouf | arencinosa: Startup area |
| 05:31.17 | maddash | ThePlumber: er..."all"? |
| 05:31.29 | enouf | arencinosa: --> [01:27:06] arencinosa is n=alex@200.55.139.218 (Alejandro Ramos) |
| 05:31.43 | ThePlumber | i never have liked the thinkpad video cards |
| 05:31.55 | arencinosa | enouf: oh!, thanks, I didn't know |
| 05:32.00 | *** join/#debian btiffin (n=blue@CPE0016b619d04e-CM001692f182a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:32.26 | maddash | ThePlumber: and you're inferring this from running a tr32? |
| 05:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 05:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 05:32.41 | maddash | s/tr32/r30/? |
| 05:32.51 | amphi | ThePlumber: my old radeon works ok |
| 05:32.53 | enouf | arencinosa: no prob ;-) |
| 05:32.54 | ThePlumber | what packages are there for power monitoring for laptops- sleeping etc |
| 05:33.00 | *** join/#debian allanM (n=tricky@kr-lun-148-150-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 05:33.13 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@zr198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 05:33.22 | cafuego | acpid |
| 05:33.34 | ThePlumber | maddash: i have 6 thinkpads, from the old black and white to the r30 and all their video sucks eggs |
| 05:33.50 | ThePlumber | the t21 is corporate so its a little better but ...... |
| 05:34.08 | amphi | I like my t22 a lot |
| 05:34.11 | ThePlumber | the r30 isn't that old |
| 05:34.12 | amphi | liked |
| 05:34.21 | ubd | ThePlumber, there is "power manager" |
| 05:34.24 | ThePlumber | i like all my thinkpads the same, as i love my children |
| 05:34.32 | ThePlumber | im certified on it in fact |
| 05:34.40 | ThePlumber | the family |
| 05:34.55 | allanM | Hi im looking for an old package that i cant remember the name of. Its a on screen display for X. As an example you can write a bash script and have the script write "im done" in x. Anyone who remembers the name? If i did i could google for it but no luck |
| 05:35.09 | *** join/#debian Maarten (n=dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 05:35.13 | spikeb | xosd? |
| 05:35.21 | ubd | can someone help me to add a line to fstab to mount a fat32 partition? |
| 05:35.32 | Vasistha | ubd: sure, the type you want is vfat |
| 05:35.34 | enouf | perhaps you should consider swapping the lead/tin ratio in the solder you use ThePlumber |
| 05:35.59 | markybob | !vfatrw |
| 05:36.00 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 05:36.10 | ThePlumber | i put my old version of debian on my jukebox (the one i got from my laptop and it would spin the hd's and power save) so the jukebox started to do that and i really like it |
| 05:36.16 | enouf | ThePlumber: <jk> |
| 05:36.19 | ubd | so vasista: /dev/hdx /mnt/hdx vfat default 0 0? |
| 05:36.46 | btiffin | I need a little crontab help. anacron is installed. /etc/crontab has 25 6 * * * for cron.daily. Is this not 25 minutes after 6am? I'm getting the daily's running at 1am. I'm usually working then, I'd like to move it to 4am, but the 25 and 6 has me confused. |
| 05:36.47 | Vasistha | ubd: or you could use the bot's suggestion |
| 05:36.54 | ThePlumber | enouf: think i'll just us a bigger oscilliscope next time or a bigger monitor running xoscope |
| 05:37.01 | ubd | where/sho is the bot |
| 05:37.13 | Vasistha | ubd: scroll up a few lines to what dpkg said. dpkg is the bot. |
| 05:37.19 | litage | if a user's home dir (eg: /home/bob/ ) is on its own partition and the user runs /usr/bin/du to find out how much space their home dir is using, du will fail because it can't stat ~/lost+found/ . what can be done about this? |
| 05:37.22 | allanM | spikeb, thanks mate |
| 05:37.40 | spikeb | allanM, was that what you were looking for? :) |
| 05:38.12 | ubd | alltigh thanks. i use a crappy irc client i couldnt see that |
| 05:38.14 | maddash | litage: df |
| 05:38.25 | litage | k |
| 05:38.44 | ubd | !ntfs |
| 05:38.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 05:38.53 | n3kl | I am trying to get offlineimap to work. I have copied the minimal configuration file over and changed the variables. When I run offlineimap, it continues to ask me for a password over and over. An ideas why? |
| 05:39.02 | ubd | !ntfs-3g |
| 05:39.02 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 05:39.04 | enouf | !tell ubd -about self tell |
| 05:39.07 | markybob | ubd: /msg the bot |
| 05:39.09 | enouf | !tell ubd -about selftell |
| 05:39.24 | ubd | enouf dont flood |
| 05:39.55 | enouf | !aolify ubd and maddash |
| 05:40.08 | Azar | teheee another cool article about Etch: Debian 4.0 Tiptoes to Leading Edge http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Debian+40+Tiptoes+to+Leading+Edge/205556_1.aspx |
| 05:40.28 | maddash | psht "tiptoes" |
| 05:40.34 | Azar | dpkg welcome back |
| 05:40.34 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 05:40.56 | Maarten | Wish me luck... gonna throw OpenSUSE 10.2 out the window and running the net-install for Debian 4.0 :) |
| 05:41.03 | *** join/#debian quad3d (n=quad3d@cpe-70-112-40-126.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:41.16 | Azar | Maarten: good luck |
| 05:41.25 | ubd | Maarten. dont do it |
| 05:41.41 | spikeb | horray for getting rid of bad rubbish |
| 05:41.43 | ubd | opensuse is 10x times solid |
| 05:41.43 | Maarten | why not? |
| 05:41.46 | ThePlumber | so i have an older machine and i tried to install totem on it with dpkg, i fucked it up and now i have one package that i cannot configure or remove so i want to install totem-xine so I can configure totem... |
| 05:41.55 | cafuego | Maarten: No luck needed, it just works [tm] :-) |
| 05:41.55 | ThePlumber | problem is i already have it installed from source |
| 05:42.11 | ThePlumber | and i dont want to overwrite any libraries from my source install |
| 05:42.26 | ThePlumber | is there a dpkg flag that states to -not- overwrite libs? |
| 05:42.46 | ThePlumber | or is that flag on by default? |
| 05:42.49 | *** part/#debian btiffin (n=blue@CPE0016b619d04e-CM001692f182a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:43.12 | ubd | if i were you i would go for bsd marteen! |
| 05:43.13 | cafuego | ThePlumber: No, what you *should* have done was use `checkinstall' on your sources. |
| 05:43.15 | amphi | Maarten: pay no attention to ubd - he's been trolling for a while now |
| 05:43.27 | Maarten | Heh, I'm not :P |
| 05:43.31 | ThePlumber | cafuego? |
| 05:43.39 | ubd | no open suse is stable than debian. thats a common fact. |
| 05:43.41 | ThePlumber | ahhhhh |
| 05:43.57 | ThePlumber | no manpage for checkinstall |
| 05:43.59 | maddash | has anyone tried an !ops? |
| 05:44.04 | spikeb | opensuse doesn't even have workable package management out of the box |
| 05:44.11 | spikeb | maddash, not that ive seen |
| 05:44.13 | cafuego | ThePlumber: Your best bet is to now install the package; then use checkinstall to package your self-compiled one and overwrite (ugly, but works) |
| 05:44.17 | ThePlumber | or is checkinstall in the makefi;le? |
| 05:44.17 | *** join/#debian btiffin (n=blue@CPE0016b619d04e-CM001692f182a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:44.23 | maddash | where's guerin when you need him? |
| 05:44.28 | Azar | ubd: why don't YOU go for #bsd? |
| 05:44.32 | cafuego | ThePlumber: No, it's a package (apt-get install) |
| 05:44.36 | sep | maddash, /ignore is your friend |
| 05:44.49 | cafuego | maddash: stuffing his face with kimchi no doubt |
| 05:45.08 | ubd | msg the bot azar |
| 05:45.25 | Azar | ubd: do you have a Debian question or comment? |
| 05:45.34 | maddash | !ops ubd is either an idiot, troll, bot or a linear combination of the three. |
| 05:45.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: ubd is either an idiot, troll, bot or a linear combination of the three. |
| 05:46.03 | ubd | gee |
| 05:46.05 | cafuego | dpkg: why is ubd not on #bsd promoting linux? |
| 05:46.06 | dpkg | cafuego: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:46.10 | peterS | ubd: pimping SuSE is not appropriate in here. do it somewhere else please |
| 05:46.19 | ThePlumber | cafuego: i could care less about totem being on the system but it seems that they are a little intertwined.... xine/totem |
| 05:46.31 | cafuego | ThePlumber: that they are |
| 05:46.36 | ThePlumber | i try to remove totem but it is needed by gnome |
| 05:47.15 | ThePlumber | cafuego: its a bummer because the compiled version of xine that i am using works flawlessly |
| 05:47.25 | ThePlumber | no lag, no problems at all |
| 05:47.25 | markybob | ThePlumber: no it's not. that's just a metapackage of gnome. feel free to remove it |
| 05:47.50 | ThePlumber | oh! so i can nix totem -and- gnome, will try |
| 05:47.51 | cafuego | ThePlumber: You could build a customised xine package, from the source deb. |
| 05:47.53 | peterS | Supaplex: w00t, my external cassette deck is talking to my sound card now (I jimmied a working cable and plugged it into the motherboard 'aux' connector, which is next to the 'CD' connector and seems to work the same way.) |
| 05:48.11 | ThePlumber | cafuego: oh, eck to much work |
| 05:48.17 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-46-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:48.25 | Azar | peterS: toying with audioscopes? |
| 05:48.38 | maddash | peterS: what's a "cassette"? |
| 05:48.56 | ThePlumber | yes! thanks marky! |
| 05:48.58 | cafuego | peterS: Going to digitise your 80s rock tape collection? |
| 05:48.59 | ThePlumber | worked like a charm |
| 05:49.04 | GhostlyDeath | How could I install i386 packages into /lib32 on a x64 system? |
| 05:49.11 | *** join/#debian kw0lf (n=kw0lf@nelug/coreteam/kwolf) |
| 05:49.18 | *** join/#debian andiolsi (n=radical@81.201.234.146) |
| 05:49.22 | *** join/#debian debend (n=debend@203.171.241.82) |
| 05:49.22 | ubd | peterS, do you have a Debian question or comment? |
| 05:49.23 | peterS | Azar: I want to convert my cassette tapes to .ogg, but until now I didn't have a way to do it. a few hours ago I asked whether the analog CD input on a sound card is the same, electrically, as 'line in/out'. Supaplex said it was. |
| 05:49.32 | ThePlumber | now audit comes back with no complaints, had a heck of a time there since i accidentally installed etch debs on sarge |
| 05:49.36 | ThePlumber | i got etch on sarge |
| 05:49.42 | peterS | ubd: look who's talking. do you? |
| 05:49.51 | markybob | ubd you might wanna learn not to talk like. pronto. |
| 05:50.12 | Azar | peterS: I thought you want to code the sound to show as visual waves on screen :) |
| 05:50.20 | debend | im not able to write to my fat32 paritions....in fstab i have rw,user,auto.......whr am I wrong??? |
| 05:50.21 | peterS | Azar: well, that can be done too |
| 05:50.26 | enouf | peterS: all are the same in any preamp, save for the phono in/outs |
| 05:50.34 | markybob | debend: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 05:50.35 | litage | why does this not strip out the newlines?: echo -e "a\nb\nc" | sed -e 's/\n//g' |
| 05:50.41 | ubd | some geek connected his tape to motherboard in a unfashinavble way and announcing @ #debian how lame is that |
| 05:50.43 | Azar | peterS: that would be great, I haven't seen audioscopes in five years |
| 05:50.43 | cafuego | debend: Add 'umask' and 'uid' params as well. |
| 05:50.57 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-46-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:51.14 | maddash | litage: you might not need the '-e' and " ' " |
| 05:51.17 | Azar | :D he does not know what's coming.. |
| 05:51.42 | Vasistha | ubd: I dunno, I think it's pretty cool. I might do that next time I need to digitize an audio tape if I want stereo |
| 05:51.49 | maddash | litage: scratch that. |
| 05:51.55 | litage | maddash: :) |
| 05:52.01 | sep | anyone know how i can reduce the filesystem (and eventualy partition) on a dd image ? |
| 05:52.03 | peterS | ubd: do you have anything Debian-related to discuss? I don't notice that you've had anything Debian-related to discuss in the past. |
| 05:52.09 | litage | maddash: just tried without the -e and "'" and the same behaviour occured |
| 05:52.12 | andiolsi | good morning, i've got several machines running sarge, on 4 of them i recompiled the kernel (2.6.20.1). so far so good, but the 4 with newer kernels always get "time=4.00 ms" or other rounded up/down values when pinging, the others are like "time=4.91 ms" so the question is: "why?" |
| 05:52.31 | ubd | yes i was discussing suse,debain differences which is more debian related |
| 05:52.45 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 05:52.54 | peterS | ubd: pimping suse is not on topic, and that's what you were doing last I noticed. is that what you're here for, or do you have something less lame to talk about? |
| 05:52.55 | *** join/#debian dolmans (n=simon@219.142.192.187) |
| 05:53.01 | *** join/#debian kali67 (n=kali67@c-67-170-243-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:53.02 | ubd | but some bpeople didnt wanted a linux related talk |
| 05:53.08 | amphi | !debain |
| 05:53.09 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 05:53.29 | Azar | some people didn't want suse-related talk either |
| 05:53.30 | peterS | ubd: no, we don't want linux-related, unless it is also debian-related. cheerleading for things that are not Debian does not count. |
| 05:53.35 | enouf | oh the bane amphi ;-) |
| 05:53.44 | *** join/#debian vin` (i=nach@unaffiliated/takatumi) |
| 05:53.57 | ThePlumber | does dpkg --audit find all dep problems and report them, i mean, are there any other tools that will verify down to the file if all installed packages are correct versions for dependencys etc? |
| 05:54.07 | *** join/#debian scx (n=somebody@unaffiliated/scx) |
| 05:54.07 | ubd | i hate losers start statements with "WE" |
| 05:54.12 | amphi | enouf: would like an inspirational song? |
| 05:54.17 | peterS | ubd: one more thing. be polite. |
| 05:54.19 | *** join/#debian basantashrestha (n=basanta@202.79.37.177) |
| 05:54.26 | scx | aloha |
| 05:54.29 | Azar | hardware for Debian, coding for Debian, issues with Debian... beer with Debian eh |
| 05:54.30 | debend | cafuego: its givin me errors..bad block..option? i have it as "rw,user,auto,unmask,uid" now what??? |
| 05:54.41 | enouf | sep: I suppose you want to remove all the zeroes (wasted space) |
| 05:54.46 | ThePlumber | ive heard of debian! |
| 05:54.52 | *** join/#debian samiam (n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:54.58 | ubd | i am polite, casette boy |
| 05:54.59 | Azar | ubd, we, yes, me peterS and lots of others |
| 05:55.00 | cafuego | debend: umask=<your uid>,umask=002 |
| 05:55.33 | debend | cafuego: oops ok..trying it now...im a noob:) |
| 05:55.33 | *** join/#debian Silensius (n=Silensiu@137.195-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 05:55.42 | ThePlumber | anyone know of any good Xwindows calendering agents? |
| 05:55.45 | scx | peterS:empty word for empty ears in an empty mind |
| 05:55.47 | sep | enouf, not from the image no. i want to redice the size of the filesystem so the end of the filesystem wont be cut of when i dd it onto a slightly smaller drive |
| 05:55.56 | cafuego | debend: that should make it writable for your user id. |
| 05:56.21 | ThePlumber | i cant get gpe-calendar to work on Sarge |
| 05:56.34 | cafuego | debend: and note 'umask' not 'unmask'. |
| 05:56.49 | peterS | ubd: if you don't have anything constructive to say, you can do your talking on other channels. you don't seem to be a regular here, so you don't really get the benefit of the doubt in such situations |
| 05:56.56 | maddash | litage: sed's not your best choice to kill the newlines, because sed works line-by-line |
| 05:57.29 | *** join/#debian pokharel (n=pokharel@202.79.37.177) |
| 05:57.41 | enouf | sep: hrmm.. |
| 05:57.50 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de) |
| 05:57.52 | ubd | peterS forget about me on the first place. and get a blog to post your audio in/out experiments |
| 05:57.56 | maddash | litage: try `tr -d '\n'` |
| 05:58.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 05:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.104.130.133] by peterS |
| 05:58.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:58.05 | litage | thanks maddash |
| 05:58.10 | cafuego | litage: Which is where we get to tr -d '\n' < file > file2 |
| 05:58.14 | peterS | I said, if you don't have anything constructive to say, do your talking on other channels |
| 05:58.18 | maddash | litage: echo -e "a\nb\nc" | tr -d '\n' |
| 05:58.35 | *** join/#debian etony (n=tony@61.189.157.130) |
| 05:58.38 | debend | cafuego: done but still cant write! |
| 05:58.49 | cafuego | Although i expect you'll want tr '\n' ' ' |
| 05:58.51 | maddash | what just happened? someone got banned? |
| 05:59.06 | peterS | maddash: I tried to warn ubd several times ... |
| 05:59.07 | cafuego | maddash: No, the garbage was collected |
| 06:01.19 | maddash | cafuego: haha |
| 06:01.19 | enouf | sep .. i was going to say --> sep: makes sens but haven't yet done it myself, but I can foresee a real issue with the partition structure/layout, and which blocks define tha boundaries and contain the boot sectors for each... |
| 06:01.20 | Azar | thanks peterS |
| 06:01.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:01.20 | *** mode/#debian [-b+b *!*@85.104.130.133 %*!*@85.104.130.133] by peterS |
| 06:01.20 | enouf | sep: but basically it sounds like you need to resize the partition |
| 06:01.20 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:01.20 | peterS | (I meant +q, not +b) |
| 06:01.21 | *** part/#debian ubd (n=ubd@85.104.130.133) |
| 06:01.21 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 06:01.21 | *** join/#debian Maarten (n=dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 06:01.33 | *** join/#debian liri (n=liran@bzq-179-128-126.static.bezeqint.net) |
| 06:01.40 | enouf | i mean i doubt 'split' would be helpful .. i only know of some tools, that may or may not be helpful, such as partimage, mondorescue.org, and other various livecd utils, like those found on grml.org, testdisk, insert |
| 06:01.43 | sep | enouf, exactly. but parted gives me errors and i cant locate another tool that likes imagesfiles |
| 06:02.00 | Azar | tehee!! SJNichols gets what he deserves |
| 06:03.29 | *** join/#debian Kinks (i=Kinky@wnklmb01dc1-209-116.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 06:04.13 | *** join/#debian n3kl_ (n=n3kl@67-41-218-196.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 06:04.25 | arencinosa | can any of you tell me what is the size of the ethernet packet header? |
| 06:04.47 | maddash | 16 GB |
| 06:04.54 | amphi | heh |
| 06:04.56 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-46-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:05.06 | enouf | sep: can't you just layout the partitions the same on disk2 one as disk1 (something akin to sfdsik -d /dev/hda1 > orig-partition.layout ,and sfdisk -d /dev/hdb1 < orig-partition.layout), then resize the FS on hdb1 (resize2fs, or similar), then cp -a over the data? |
| 06:05.15 | maddash | s/GB/B |
| 06:05.16 | arencinosa | I am getting 14 bytes per packet of difference between tc and iptables statistics |
| 06:05.41 | arencinosa | maddash: are you sure? 16? not 14? |
| 06:05.44 | ThePlumber | can anyone recommend any good xwindows calendaring programs? |
| 06:05.44 | *** join/#debian asd (n=markus@p57A5FD95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:05.58 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-46-213.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:06.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:06.05 | dpkg | <galois> bethe: mutt? <bethe> bitch! |
| 06:06.10 | sep | enouf, there is no drive. only a dd imagefile |
| 06:06.48 | enouf | sep: ahh .. hrm.. |
| 06:06.53 | ThePlumber | calendar in the packages directory comes up with just about nil |
| 06:07.06 | maddash | arencinosa: "The maximum ethernet payload (data field) is 1500 bytes which makes a 1518 byte ethernet packet including header and CRC." |
| 06:07.10 | ThePlumber | i would think debian should have something good on by default |
| 06:07.26 | Azar | hahahahaha!! tarzeau.. |
| 06:07.29 | Supaplex | peterS: silly ubd :) |
| 06:07.35 | peterS | (: |
| 06:07.43 | asd | hi all, I am looking for a good backup solution for our 10 macOSX clients. So far I stipped it down to amanda and backuppc. it should be as user friendly as possible. does someone use one of those? |
| 06:07.50 | Supaplex | peterS: nice to hear btw. |
| 06:07.57 | Azar | poor man wasn't able to have his say about suse here |
| 06:08.11 | arencinosa | maddash: tanks |
| 06:08.15 | arencinosa | maddash: thanks |
| 06:08.23 | spikeb | you kiddin? he's been ranting about it for hours |
| 06:08.39 | Azar | SJV-Nichols gets blasted for siding with commercials |
| 06:08.53 | Supaplex | peterS: get my pm? |
| 06:09.03 | Azar | Debian: some people just don't get it: http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/11429/1090/1/0/ |
| 06:09.10 | maddash | 00:35:53 -- ubd (n=ubd@85.104.130.133) has joined #debian |
| 06:09.12 | peterS | Supaplex: yeah, was afk for a couple seconds there |
| 06:10.06 | *** join/#debian kw0lf (n=kw0lf@190.38.230.189) |
| 06:10.43 | *** join/#debian melodos (n=sdcd@88.218.12.39) |
| 06:11.14 | *** join/#debian putridp (n=ed@80.175.128.209) |
| 06:11.15 | melodos | hi! i know this is quite irrelevant, but is there any program that backs up all my drive including linux partitions and the grub mbr? thanks |
| 06:11.33 | cafuego | melodos: 'mondo' |
| 06:11.41 | melodos | mondo? |
| 06:11.44 | cafuego | (or any other images) |
| 06:11.47 | *** join/#debian hron (n=hron@mm-183-245-209-82.adsl.mgts.by) |
| 06:11.47 | cafuego | imager |
| 06:12.01 | *** join/#debian Bracki (n=9brauer@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) |
| 06:12.07 | maddash | wtf? etch breaks network bridges? |
| 06:12.12 | enouf | sep: have you used/tried conv=noerror,sync and then run a fsck on the result? How about the ddrescue/dd_rescue tools? perhaps even http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html |
| 06:12.51 | Azar | hmmm no, I vaguely remember reading about that but where, oh where? |
| 06:13.10 | Azar | maddash: is about the installer doing that? |
| 06:14.38 | *** join/#debian jvm (n=jvm@F5612.f.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 06:14.42 | sep | enouf, how will that help me reduce the size opf the partition on the imagefile ? |
| 06:14.49 | *** join/#debian busfahrer (n=busfahre@p57b5552e.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:14.51 | maddash | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS5673962628.html |
| 06:14.53 | jvm | hi. why is there /dev/cdrom and /dev/hda for the same device? |
| 06:15.09 | sep | cdrom is a symlink probably |
| 06:15.18 | Vasistha | jvm: one is probably a symlink |
| 06:15.36 | sep | just to make a sane name |
| 06:15.39 | jvm | Vasistha: yes, thanks. |
| 06:15.45 | jvm | and sep... |
| 06:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper |
| 06:16.24 | jvm | i can't burn cdroms anymore since i updated to etch. k3b says "opc failed. probably your writer doesn't like the medium." |
| 06:17.19 | jvm | i tried with different mediums, even ones which worked perfectly earlier |
| 06:17.23 | Azar | bah.. maddash that is an old article and he was spanked for it |
| 06:18.19 | Azar | maddash: read this in reply to that article http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3656387562.html |
| 06:18.21 | \amethyst | jvm: have you tried burning something from the command line? |
| 06:18.53 | jvm | \amethyst: no. but i read at google that some ubuntu people had the same problem and said it was a bug of cdrecord. |
| 06:19.03 | *** join/#debian helo_ (n=helo@wsip-68-15-195-2.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 06:19.09 | jvm | \amethyst: but i can't find the bug at debian bugzilla. |
| 06:19.12 | maddash | Azar: i read it |
| 06:19.13 | Azar | jvm: cdrecord is not anymore with Debian |
| 06:19.15 | *** join/#debian hq4ever (n=hq4ever@192.114.183.1) |
| 06:19.22 | \amethyst | jvm: Debian bugzilla? |
| 06:19.26 | \amethyst | jvm: what's that? |
| 06:19.32 | jvm | \amethyst: debian bug something |
| 06:19.40 | jvm | \amethyst: hehe, no idea wether its bugzilla or not |
| 06:19.41 | \amethyst | ah, the BTS |
| 06:19.43 | maddash | Azar: and he's never addressed the network bridge issue |
| 06:20.04 | helo_ | is there any way to somehow (god i don't know) click a button on a window in X remotely? |
| 06:20.05 | \amethyst | jvm: wodim is the replacement for cdrecord |
| 06:20.11 | Azar | maddash: because that issue is not singled out for Debian: wifi crack on all linuxes |
| 06:20.27 | \amethyst | jvm: There are CD-Rs? |
| 06:20.28 | jvm | \amethyst: my k3b uses cdrecord. i upgraded yesterday. why? |
| 06:20.29 | maddash | helo_: have you tried ssh -X tunneling? |
| 06:20.38 | helo_ | maddash: the app is already running... |
| 06:20.40 | jvm | \amethyst: yes. |
| 06:21.17 | \amethyst | jvm: wodim is mostly command-line compatible with cdrecord, and there is |
| 06:21.19 | enouf | sep: i can't think of any way to alter the ".img" file wihtout atleast either loop mounting,. then copying, or creating a loop FS device and working with the data that way .. but in essence, you'lll need a large enough File, either way, to hold all the data .. or maybe a sparse file can be useful, dunno for sure .. also reading "9.2.4. Modified partitions - Restore to a different disk geometry" may give some insight |
| 06:21.21 | enouf | http://mondorescue.org/docs/mondorescue-howto.html#AEN950 |
| 06:21.22 | Azar | jvm: if your cdrecord cracks, stop using it: is not for Debian Etch |
| 06:21.37 | \amethyst | jvm: a 'cdrecord' package that provides a symlink |
| 06:21.51 | \amethyst | jvm: what does cdrecord --version say? |
| 06:22.10 | jvm | \amethyst: ok, it's wodim |
| 06:23.02 | jvm | Cdrecord-yelling-line-to-tell-frontends-to-use-it-like-version 2.01.01a03-dvd |
| 06:23.02 | jvm | Wodim 1.1.4 |
| 06:23.14 | enouf | sep , i know it's possible to create a much larger File size than a disk can physcially or logically access (create a 500GiB file on a 10GiB HDD), but i don't know how that's helpful, nor it's limitations, nor much else about it |
| 06:23.49 | helo_ | maybe you should write a poem |
| 06:24.45 | jvm | sorry, 've to go. thanks \amethyst. |
| 06:24.56 | *** join/#debian litage (n=nick@203.220.55.70) |
| 06:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 767] by debhelper |
| 06:27.20 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get ethX's MAC address? |
| 06:27.57 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: ifconfig ethX | grep HWaddr |
| 06:29.38 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de) |
| 06:29.49 | *** join/#debian deg0nz|weq (n=drg0nzo@pD9535EB3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:30.13 | *** join/#debian fiction (n=fiction@c-69-251-198-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 06:30.28 | fiction | Would debian be faster than ubuntu, since ubuntu is built on debian? |
| 06:30.58 | h3xis | not necessarily |
| 06:31.07 | fiction | i tried installing debian, didn't work |
| 06:31.20 | \amethyst | fiction: didn't work how? |
| 06:31.23 | Vasistha | well, then the installation isn't faster, for you ;-) |
| 06:31.51 | fiction | Don't remember the errors, but it didn't load. problem with ata_piix. |
| 06:32.05 | fiction | stopped loading the installation when loading ata_piix |
| 06:32.05 | *** join/#debian jso (n=jso@host-139-146-107-208.midco.net) |
| 06:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 06:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 06:33.02 | *** join/#debian hsk (n=somebody@148.240.236.182) |
| 06:34.36 | asd | I am just looking for the 64bit debian version for a Intel dual core. Do I take the amd64 version? |
| 06:35.00 | h3xis | yes |
| 06:35.06 | asd | thx |
| 06:36.10 | \amethyst | asd: assuming you want both 64-bit kernel and userspace |
| 06:37.08 | asd | amethyst: ? I try to install debian 4.0 on a fileserver. Now I look for the right version to take |
| 06:37.55 | *** part/#debian drijen (i=drijen@static-ip-62-75-255-125.inaddr.intergenia.de) |
| 06:38.05 | *** join/#debian pinks (n=johnp@203.184.3.103) |
| 06:38.26 | *** join/#debian loca|host (n=tux@196.203.53.221) |
| 06:38.58 | \amethyst | asd: probably the amd64, then |
| 06:39.57 | asd | installing debian 4.0 always tells me, that it cannot find the root filesystem on /dev/sda3. because /dev/sda3 does not exist. Using the installer I formated the sata disk mounting / to the 3. partition??? |
| 06:41.46 | \amethyst | asd: It tells you that when it goes to reboot off the hard driver to finish the installation? |
| 06:41.46 | Dewi | asd: um... what else is on the disk? |
| 06:42.06 | Dewi | asd: the whole "sata disk" is sda, not sda3 - sda3 would be the third partition on it |
| 06:42.12 | enouf | asd: where did you install grub? |
| 06:42.26 | *** join/#debian beoba (n=aoeu@unaffiliated/beoba) |
| 06:42.37 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@80.65.65.69) |
| 06:42.39 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-24-16-40-146.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:43.29 | asd | no the installation went fine. It happens booting the firs time. Grub I installed in the mbr. it is an image from 3ware since I use a 3ware controller. but the OS is on a seperate hdd |
| 06:43.49 | *** join/#debian |rouemirc| (n=theroue@adsl-70-143-67-31.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:44.12 | \amethyst | asd: What is an image from 3ware? |
| 06:44.49 | pinks | when I do "pload" it opens the little window to show the connection, but it doesn't release that command line. How can I get it to do that? |
| 06:44.53 | asd | amethyst: they offer it to download with an integrated driver for the controller. http://www.3ware.com/KB/article.aspx?id=15012 |
| 06:44.55 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-147-107.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 06:45.18 | enouf | pinks: ctrl-c ? |
| 06:45.48 | \amethyst | pinks: pload & to run it in the background |
| 06:46.04 | sep | asd, dont the regular etch installer support 3ware 9xxx ? |
| 06:46.06 | Dewi | asd: please try to be specific when describing your problem - you can't have formatted "a sata disk" if you are only using partition 3. And the installer failing to find the root filesys is quite a different thing to the boot process failing to find it. |
| 06:46.09 | sep | i imagined it was in the kernel now |
| 06:46.11 | *** join/#debian Parabola (i=Pushit@d233-124-245.col.wideopenwest.com) |
| 06:46.27 | Vasistha | pinks: or if you already started it, ctrl-z to pause it, and then 'bg' to put it in the background |
| 06:46.47 | *** join/#debian lechef (i=4hB9L5Qb@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 06:47.27 | *** join/#debian ArtVandalae (n=SuperUnk@ppp155-208.lns4.mel6.internode.on.net) |
| 06:47.29 | asd | sep: the array it didn't show up installing debian |
| 06:47.50 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-24-16-40-146.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:47.50 | pinks | Vasistha: perfect -- thanks guys :D |
| 06:48.04 | Dewi | asd: so why is the root filesystem on sda3? why not sda1 or sda2? |
| 06:48.21 | Dewi | asd: and how is this 3ware thing involved? |
| 06:48.53 | \amethyst | Dewi: He downloaded a patched version of etch from 3ware |
| 06:48.57 | asd | Dewl: I partitioned the sata disk (sda): sda1: swap sda2:tmp sda3: root and sda4: home |
| 06:49.44 | asd | Dewi: the 3ware isn't involved yet. I wanted to do this after the system is installed |
| 06:50.41 | Dewi | asd: but you said without 3ware software, "< asd> sep: the array it didn't show up installing debian" |
| 06:50.59 | Dewi | or is that not what you are installing to? |
| 06:51.46 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 06:51.51 | Dewi | are you plugging in some extra array or controller between installing and booting? |
| 06:51.56 | \amethyst | asd: When Linux boots, before mounting the root filesystem, it should list all the hard drives it finds |
| 06:52.00 | Dewi | (that might be reordering the disks?) |
| 06:52.16 | \amethyst | asd: Something like SCSI device sda: 586072368 512-byte hdwr sectors (300069 MB) |
| 06:53.04 | \amethyst | asd: see if your sata hard drive is showing up there, and that it is still sda and not, say, hda |
| 06:53.08 | \amethyst | or sdb |
| 06:53.54 | asd | I used debeian 4.0 from the homepage of 3 ware. there the controller shows up as sdb. Th OS I want to install on a single hdd (sda). system start looks normal. after a while it tells me: Mounting root file system .... Running /scripts/local-top ... Waiting for root file system .... Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules and so on |
| 06:54.28 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@80.65.65.69) |
| 06:54.29 | \amethyst | I bet they're getting reordered when you reboot |
| 06:54.46 | *** part/#debian pinks (n=johnp@203.184.3.103) |
| 06:55.16 | asd | I tried 4 times now to reboot |
| 06:55.27 | enouf | just a guess , but i'd roll the 3ware controller driver into your initrd, as one would for any other sata disk controller(s) |
| 06:56.27 | \amethyst | asd: Are any sda devices showing up before that? It might be that the controllers are showing up in a different order |
| 06:56.45 | *** join/#debian nemo (n=nemo@dsl-203-113-234-112.ACT.netspace.net.au) |
| 06:57.19 | asd | amethyst: I reboot again. one moment |
| 06:58.17 | enouf | but a 3ware RAID controller, (if used as a raid controller) may have/need a completely diff lower-level access, and setup prior .. but not using a raid array might just need ordinary initrd treatment (or support directly compiled into the kernel) |
| 06:58.54 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-020.eplus-online.de) |
| 06:59.04 | asd | I guess I just try a normal debian 4.0 installation and include the driver later on |
| 06:59.07 | enouf | I have not looked at that url though, nor do i intend to, since your vagueness is quite discouraging |
| 06:59.42 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:59.51 | asd | enouf: sorry but I do my best :). I am not so firm with linux |
| 07:00.08 | *** join/#debian DooMRunneR (n=DooMRunn@mail.dynadata.at) |
| 07:01.38 | *** join/#debian sabbat (n=sabbat@203-206-113-244.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:01.46 | enouf | you mention 1Sata HDD, then you mention "array" .. can you explain that? Also you never originally mentioned a RAID controller .. nor an "array", and one partition soea not an array make .. I'm waiting to hearabout your envrypted LVM .. |
| 07:02.02 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-40-186.net.novis.pt) |
| 07:02.08 | enouf | s/soea/does |
| 07:02.56 | *** part/#debian elshaa (n=elshaa@polar.es6.egwn.net) |
| 07:03.02 | asd | enouf: I have 5 sata disks in there. 1 for the OS (shows up as sda) and 4 on the controller raid 10 (showing up as sdb) |
| 07:04.32 | *** join/#debian Raging_Hog (n=Raging_H@natti.edita.fi) |
| 07:04.36 | *** join/#debian k-man (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 07:04.56 | *** join/#debian oa__ (n=oa@AMontsouris-151-1-69-56.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:05.28 | sf7 | can i do: gksu ??? to launch the filebrowser in su mode? |
| 07:05.36 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:06.08 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.147.117) |
| 07:06.09 | *** join/#debian nOp (n=x9090909@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:06.21 | *** join/#debian rhododendron (n=rhododen@wikipedia/Rhododendronbusch) |
| 07:06.50 | asd | I have to go towork. thx everybody for the time and help. I will try a netinst installation from debian.org |
| 07:06.51 | tarzeau | why does adduser --quiet --no-create-home --system --gecos "FOOBAR" username ask for a Password: ? |
| 07:06.56 | enouf | now that is important info .. doh .. if the array is not dependent on the OS booting, then you can use modules .. but, you may have d/led some funk from 3ware that works differently, and perhaps it's expecting "root on raid" or someshit .. no idea |
| 07:07.13 | *** join/#debian acidmelt (i=acidmelt@bzq-84-109-10-231.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 07:07.45 | asd | enouf: that's my guess too. somehow it looks on tha array for root |
| 07:08.13 | \amethyst | How does one "un-eject" an ipod without unplugging and replugging it? |
| 07:08.28 | *** join/#debian ||arifaX (n=||arifaX@inetpop1.witron.de) |
| 07:08.44 | enouf | well .. modules for softraid . not too sure about your hardraid after an OS loads .. except to say, I'm sure the actual BIOS on the Card needs congiuring |
| 07:08.46 | markybob | i'm not even sure what "un-eject" means |
| 07:08.53 | enouf | er configuring |
| 07:09.07 | *** join/#debian sod (n=john@host86-140-181-118.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:09.07 | enouf | \amethyst: ? |
| 07:09.17 | \amethyst | markybob: when you eject the device (to make the "Do not disconnect" go away) the device nodes go away |
| 07:09.36 | enouf | \amethyst: perhaps udevtrigger ? |
| 07:09.50 | acidmelt | hey, does it make sense that entries in ip_conntrack have a very high value of time to live (eg. 431999 (~120hrs))? |
| 07:09.59 | enouf | $ man udev |
| 07:09.59 | enouf | udev udevcontrol udevd udevinfo udevmonitor udevsettle udevtest udevtrigger |
| 07:10.16 | enouf | !fuglysmite me |
| 07:12.26 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c211-28-150-227.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:13.00 | spikeb | hehe |
| 07:13.00 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 07:13.00 | tarzeau | scx: how and why do they go nuts? checked popcon.ubuntu.com webpage yet? |
| 07:13.11 | asd | I found the problem. somehow it mixed up sda and sdb during installation. |
| 07:13.27 | enouf | !win \amethyst |
| 07:13.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 07:13.31 | \amethyst | asd: Best way to deal with that is put a label on your root partition and boot by label |
| 07:13.52 | \amethyst | asd: That way it doesn't matter which device is found first |
| 07:14.13 | asd | amethyst: how do i do this? |
| 07:14.30 | peterS | e2label and LABEL= in fstab, would be the first steps |
| 07:14.37 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: or (s)he could just remove every other competing device :-P |
| 07:14.47 | enouf | asd: you can also use uuids .. look in /dev/disk/by-uuid, and perhaps e2label for a plain label |
| 07:14.55 | peterS | is grub able to boot by label? |
| 07:15.07 | enouf | asd: he uuid can be controlled in udev rules too |
| 07:15.15 | *** join/#debian iOops (n=iOops@86.72.63.175) |
| 07:15.15 | peterS | wait, I guess grub shouldn't care since this is about the root directory not about the boot partition |
| 07:15.22 | enouf | peterS: sure |
| 07:15.23 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (n=lordlame@venus.universe.linuxdelta.de) |
| 07:15.45 | peterS | last I checked (kernel 2.1.x) the kernel couldn't accept root= by label, maybe that has changed since 2.1.x... |
| 07:16.02 | asd | i have to go. thx again |
| 07:16.58 | *** join/#debian oye (n=oye@unaffiliated/oye) |
| 07:16.59 | \amethyst | peterS: yes, that has changed since then :) |
| 07:17.19 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip68-7-164-142.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:17.51 | enouf | peterS: do you mean the groot= device? or the kernel root= commandline? |
| 07:18.17 | peterS | enouf: the kernel root= command line - i.e., how the kernel finds the root filesystem |
| 07:19.00 | *** join/#debian Octopuce (n=Trusted@was59-2-82-227-188-130.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:20.10 | *** join/#debian hron (n=hron@mm-183-245-209-82.adsl.mgts.by) |
| 07:20.28 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@zr198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:21.12 | scx | !get food |
| 07:21.44 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-020.eplus-online.de) |
| 07:23.09 | enouf | peterS: I'm pretty sure it's not an issue .. i've seen many person's cat /proc/cmdline outputs look like root=UUID=/path/tofile or root=/e2label, etc .. i guess i need a refresher as well .. I've only used /dev/blah myself |
| 07:26.48 | *** join/#debian rcbarnes (n=clay@ip68-228-41-236.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 07:28.37 | rcbarnes | I'm having trouble finding how to install SDL on my machine. Google's not helping (perhaps my search for "debian etch SDL install" is badly chosen). Can someone help? |
| 07:28.56 | rcbarnes | Is it an xorg option? A package? |
| 07:29.01 | simonrvn | !tell rcbarnes -about search |
| 07:29.06 | simonrvn | package |
| 07:29.08 | simonrvn | s |
| 07:29.17 | peterS | rcbarnes: it's a set of packages. if you install something that needs SDL, it will pull in the right libraries automatically |
| 07:30.15 | rcbarnes | simonrvn: I tried that search for sdl, but it didn't produce anything that looked like an SDL package. |
| 07:30.25 | simonrvn | libsdl* |
| 07:30.32 | peterS | rcbarnes: why do you ask? debian packages will pull in the right libraries automatically |
| 07:30.48 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: libsdl1.2debian-all perhaps? |
| 07:30.56 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 07:30.56 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: Do you need it for compiling something? |
| 07:31.12 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=martin@gw-colt.fotango.com) |
| 07:31.43 | xand | deg0nz|weq: turn that off at once |
| 07:31.49 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: I do. For zsnes, actually |
| 07:31.56 | xand | !tell deg0nz|weq about away |
| 07:32.14 | simonrvn | ah you found it |
| 07:32.18 | simonrvn | was about to |
| 07:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 07:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 07:32.59 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: you need a more recent version than is in debian? |
| 07:33.25 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: of zsnes that is |
| 07:33.29 | rcbarnes | No, I need >=1.2.0 |
| 07:33.44 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: zsnes is at 1.420 in debian |
| 07:33.46 | rcbarnes | though its ./configure isn't finding sdl-config |
| 07:34.05 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: you need the libsdl1.2-dev to compile stuff that uses SDL |
| 07:34.10 | Dewi | rcbarnes: why not install the zsnes package? |
| 07:34.13 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: But you don't need to compile your own zsnes |
| 07:34.34 | rcbarnes | Dewi: \amethyst Package zsnes is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:35.08 | Dewi | rcbarnes: what version of debian are you using? |
| 07:35.11 | simonrvn | so? you follow the advice |
| 07:35.13 | rcbarnes | well, those nicks were supposed to be comma delimited and seperated from the line with a :, but I think you guys know who I'm addressing. |
| 07:35.17 | rcbarnes | Dewi: etch |
| 07:36.06 | Dewi | rcbarnes: it looks available |
| 07:36.09 | Dewi | rcbarnes: to me |
| 07:36.39 | rcbarnes | Dewi: how might I not see it? It's not even found by apt-cache search |
| 07:36.44 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 07:36.45 | Dewi | rcbarnes: have you aptitude updated recently? |
| 07:36.51 | rcbarnes | yup |
| 07:36.53 | rcbarnes | today, even |
| 07:36.58 | rcbarnes | and just now again |
| 07:37.08 | Dewi | rcbarnes: it comes up in my searches |
| 07:37.19 | Dewi | rcbarnes: maybe you don't have the sources set quite right |
| 07:37.22 | rcbarnes | Dewi: bizarre. |
| 07:37.23 | enouf | peterS: If we care to persue a bit; can you figure what this bash scipt code section (# UUID and volume label) means? it's located in /etc/udev/persistent.rules .. I know my 2.6.16 initrd has all the udev code/files that one typically finds on a fresh installation in /etc/udev/* |
| 07:37.31 | enouf | er pursue |
| 07:37.49 | simonrvn | peruse? |
| 07:37.51 | enouf | was thinkg peruse .. duh |
| 07:37.52 | *** join/#debian predder (n=predder@203.220.55.70) |
| 07:37.56 | Dewi | rcbarnes: could you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list at http://pastebin.ca ? |
| 07:38.07 | rcbarnes | Dewi: yeah. Just a sec |
| 07:38.09 | enouf | simonrvn: rwo different words |
| 07:38.12 | Dewi | rcbarnes: also... confirm for me that you don't have any /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 07:38.16 | simonrvn | i know :) |
| 07:38.16 | enouf | er two* |
| 07:38.23 | enouf | !slap me |
| 07:38.39 | *** join/#debian brentc4m (n=brent@adsl-76-192-201-81.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:38.42 | simonrvn | enouf: just got up, or up too late? |
| 07:38.51 | enouf | both ;-) |
| 07:39.05 | simonrvn | hehe, so go to sleep then ;) |
| 07:39.13 | enouf | soon .. soon |
| 07:39.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:40.27 | simonrvn | looks like i moved my sid box to etch just in time |
| 07:41.04 | *** join/#debian blank_ (n=blank_@34-203.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 07:41.17 | simonrvn | !volatile |
| 07:41.17 | dpkg | it has been said that volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 07:41.36 | simonrvn | is that still on-going? or is it dead? |
| 07:42.00 | SlayerXP | yes, it's still going on, or it's dead. |
| 07:42.02 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 07:42.58 | *** join/#debian doudou (n=doudou@207.18.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 07:44.04 | simonrvn | looks like it's still alive |
| 07:44.11 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 07:44.20 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:44.31 | *** join/#debian Kazriko (n=kazrikna@host-72-174-74-220.gdj-co.client.bresnan.net) |
| 07:45.40 | *** join/#debian HymnToLife (n=fkraiem@LNeuilly-152-23-88-99.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:46.43 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.4.179.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 07:47.53 | *** join/#debian pythonic (n=nick@202.173.192.235) |
| 07:47.59 | *** join/#debian Chris-NB (n=chris@ng1.kurtkrenn.com) |
| 07:48.03 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 07:48.18 | Chris-NB | anyone using an ibm server with servraid-8k controller? |
| 07:48.26 | pythonic | apt is c++ :-/ |
| 07:49.03 | Kazriko | Anyone knwo a way to force devfs to create the /dev/md* entries? I can't seem to get that going. |
| 07:49.10 | *** join/#debian yell0w (n=yellow@unaffiliated/yellow) |
| 07:49.24 | Dewi | rcbarnes: ? |
| 07:49.24 | *** join/#debian Dibbler_ (n=Dibbler@host217-45-198-229.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 07:49.39 | Dewi | rcbarnes: you disappeared |
| 07:49.51 | *** join/#debian possie (n=Possie@host-2.tntlogistics-3.demon.nl) |
| 07:50.19 | possie | anyone know the name of the tool, that monitors a directory for new files and does actions on files that get copy'ed in them? |
| 07:50.22 | *** join/#debian rcbarnes (n=clay@ip68-228-41-236.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 07:50.23 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=marcello@teotihuacan.nekhem.com) |
| 07:50.52 | rcbarnes | SON OF A *! I hate my landlord. Stupid illegal wiring blew again. |
| 07:50.56 | *** join/#debian Supaplex_ (i=supaplex@166-70-62-199.ip.xmission.com) |
| 07:51.06 | rcbarnes | Who was working with me on the zsnes issue? |
| 07:51.08 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: you live in a city? |
| 07:51.09 | rcbarnes | I can't remember names |
| 07:51.17 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: yeah, Tucson |
| 07:51.21 | Dewi | rcbarnes: I was gonna take a look at your sources list |
| 07:51.32 | Dewi | rcbarnes: because zsnes should be available to you |
| 07:51.35 | rcbarnes | Dewi: Ah, you were the one. |
| 07:51.38 | rcbarnes | lemme post it. |
| 07:51.40 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: you could call code enforcement :) |
| 07:51.41 | markybob | possie: dnotify |
| 07:52.31 | rcbarnes | Dewi: http://pastebin.ca/447702 |
| 07:52.34 | rcbarnes | that's the file |
| 07:52.37 | *** join/#debian borizz (n=boris@h82151167235.dsl.speedlinq.nl) |
| 07:52.44 | rcbarnes | also, what file did you want to make sure I didn't have? |
| 07:52.46 | *** part/#debian borizz (n=boris@h82151167235.dsl.speedlinq.nl) |
| 07:53.00 | *** join/#debian Alpounet (n=Alp@233.252-136-217.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 07:53.42 | Dewi | rcbarnes: /etc/apt/preferences - that manipulates how the sources are used |
| 07:53.54 | Dewi | rcbarnes: you don't have to not have one, but if you do it makes things more complex |
| 07:54.00 | scx | is it libdvdcss included in etch ? |
| 07:54.01 | *** join/#debian Zesturian (n=zest@unaffiliated/zesturian) |
| 07:54.09 | scx | !info lindvdcss |
| 07:54.13 | possie | markybob, thanks |
| 07:54.30 | scx | !info libdvdcss |
| 07:55.06 | rcbarnes | Dewi: no file /etc/apt/pr* |
| 07:55.09 | possie | how can i sent a string to a socket ? something like echo "foo" > 127.0.0.1 1234 |
| 07:55.42 | Dewi | rcbarnes: what happens if you type 'apt-cache policy zsnes' |
| 07:55.50 | Dewi | rcbarnes: if it gives you output, paste it too |
| 07:56.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper |
| 07:56.33 | possie | how now i see it with NC |
| 07:56.33 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 07:56.43 | rcbarnes | Dewi: added to the description of the current pastebin |
| 07:56.51 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@BSN-77-157-214.dsl.siol.net) |
| 07:57.04 | scx | ok, the default Xine in Etch is omnipotent right? |
| 07:57.06 | *** join/#debian SubStack (i=substack@49-144.wireless.uaf.edu) |
| 07:57.14 | Dewi | rcbarnes: they still get a new number. but don't worry; I see it |
| 07:57.20 | scx | mp3 and stuff I mean |
| 07:57.28 | rcbarnes | Dewi: ah |
| 07:58.00 | *** join/#debian sabbat (n=sabbat@203-206-113-244.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:58.18 | Dewi | rcbarnes: hmm. zsnes is on that mirror. Maybe your unofficial sources are clouding the issue |
| 07:58.22 | *** join/#debian kronic (n=blowfish@28.64.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 07:58.39 | rcbarnes | Dewi: I'll comment out and try again. |
| 07:58.41 | rcbarnes | hang on |
| 07:58.50 | Dewi | rcbarnes: try commenting out the unofficial and beryl sources, update a couple of times, and see if policy zsnes changes |
| 07:58.55 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@212.31.236.154) |
| 07:59.10 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@203.113.234.112) |
| 07:59.47 | enouf | yacc: i recall someone moaning recently about a zip over 4GB |
| 07:59.47 | rcbarnes | Dewi: same issue even with those commented out |
| 07:59.47 | Dewi | yacc / enouf : it does, at least according to winrar, which refuses to create big zips |
| 07:59.54 | Dewi | it's 1 or 2 gb |
| 08:00.27 | enouf | yacc: fat32 on win9x hs a 2GB limit, but for vfat or 2k+, it's 4GB limit for a fat32 filesize |
| 08:00.33 | yacc | So what are my options for creating an archive that a Windows user will be able to unpack easily? |
| 08:00.55 | rcbarnes | yacc: slices? |
| 08:00.57 | Dewi | enouf: vfat was an extension to fat16 |
| 08:00.59 | fengor | use zi[p on a ntfs filesystem? |
| 08:01.07 | yacc | enouf: the filesystem I've used was ext3, so I don't think that zip terminated because of that. |
| 08:01.17 | enouf | Dewi: ywah .. i soppose WinZIP created their 7GB+ Zip file ..lol |
| 08:01.24 | enouf | er teah* |
| 08:01.27 | enouf | bah |
| 08:01.28 | yacc | rcbarnes: well, I fear that the zip format supports no more than say 2GB files? |
| 08:01.41 | yacc | At least the linux zip program aborted with such a message. |
| 08:01.43 | Dewi | yacc: don't use zip. it sucks |
| 08:01.49 | enouf | yacc: not at all for ext3 |
| 08:01.50 | Dewi | yacc: and no, it can't handle files that big |
| 08:01.52 | *** join/#debian war (i=war@ritalin.simplylinux.org) |
| 08:01.57 | yacc | Dewi: Alternatives? |
| 08:02.01 | fengor | tar.gz? |
| 08:02.03 | rcbarnes | yacc: is the file you're zipping 2GB, or is that just the total size of all files? |
| 08:02.07 | Dewi | yacc: rar, 7zip, bz2, gz |
| 08:02.09 | yacc | Dewi: With programs available on Linux? |
| 08:02.19 | yacc | rcbarnes: total sizes of the files. |
| 08:02.45 | rcbarnes | yacc: you might be fine then, so long as no slice (or contained file) breaks the 2GB limit, but I'm no expert |
| 08:02.48 | fengor | i'd take tar.bz2 or tar.gz |
| 08:02.49 | rcbarnes | can't you test? |
| 08:03.09 | yacc | rcbarnes: slices? |
| 08:03.18 | enouf | yacc: there are free and non-free versions of Zip (newer 3.x ?), .. IIRC |
| 08:03.22 | rcbarnes | Dewi: out of ideas for my issue? :-P |
| 08:03.53 | *** join/#debian mormoloc (i=mihai@81.181.177.182) |
| 08:03.54 | rcbarnes | yacc: that might not be avail. for winzip (I though it was) but you could break it up into several parts that are all seperate files |
| 08:04.00 | yacc | rcbarnes: Well, I need to transfer the 8GB or so via a 768kbit/s uplink, so figuring it out afterwards that it was a bad choice doesn't sound that cool. |
| 08:04.04 | rcbarnes | but combine into one archive when unzipping |
| 08:04.34 | yacc | enouf: I've got the one that Debian provides? Guess that will be the free one? *g* |
| 08:05.13 | enouf | yacc: I'm lookling for info .. can't recall if its Unrar I'm thinking of |
| 08:05.44 | yacc | enouf: rar would support the sizes involved, but I'm not sure if there is a free compressor for Linux for it. |
| 08:05.46 | enouf | yacc: ahh it's Unrar .. my bad |
| 08:05.47 | enouf | unrar-free |
| 08:05.47 | Dewi | rcbarnes: I can't figure it out... I can see the zsnes entry in the package list on your mirror, and the .deb is there too... |
| 08:05.52 | Dewi | rcbarnes: but you just aren't seeing it |
| 08:05.55 | enouf | !info unrar |
| 08:05.58 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 08:05.59 | rcbarnes | Dewi: bizarre, eh? |
| 08:06.23 | Dewi | rcbarnes: even if it was unavailable due to your unofficial packages, I would expect it still to have at least a candidate version named |
| 08:06.24 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: what exactly is the error you get when you try installing zsnes? |
| 08:06.25 | litage | if ``grep foobar /etc/passwd'' returns true, why would ``su - foobar'' fail with "Unknown id: -" ? |
| 08:06.26 | enouf | yacc: notice a unrar-free and a unrar (non-free) version |
| 08:06.37 | Dewi | \amethyst: he has no installation candidate |
| 08:06.41 | *** join/#debian zarkdav_ (n=zarkdav@eddy2.easynet.fr) |
| 08:06.42 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: E: Package zsnes has no installation candidate |
| 08:06.50 | \amethyst | litage: foobar might be somebody's office number rather than their login |
| 08:06.54 | *** join/#debian rrichie (n=xxxx@lyon.ever-team.com) |
| 08:06.55 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.4.179.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 08:06.56 | rrichie | hi all |
| 08:06.58 | rrichie | i have some problem so connect to my ubuntu server (freenx) from my windows computer, the connection fails at "Negotiating link parameters". Has someone an idea ? |
| 08:07.01 | Dewi | \amethyst: look at his apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.ca/447706 |
| 08:07.21 | yacc | enouf: but I seem to have a rar available, might be the nonfree one that I once installed for something. |
| 08:07.26 | wols_ | !tell rrichie about ubuntu |
| 08:07.34 | enouf | yacc: maybe look at man zipsplit |
| 08:07.44 | litage | \amethyst: ah true. what i was getting at is that user foobar exists, but ``su - foobar'' fails with "Unknown id: -" for some reason |
| 08:07.47 | *** join/#debian oa__ (n=oa@AMontsouris-151-1-16-143.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:08.14 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: What architecture? |
| 08:08.22 | enouf | yacc: the unrar-free (apt-cache show unrar-free) outputs --> Unrar can extract files from .rar archives. Can't handle archives in the |
| 08:08.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.22 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: amd64 |
| 08:08.25 | Dewi | yacc: tar/gz and tar/bz2 are the linux standards |
| 08:08.27 | *** join/#debian sm (n=sm@pool-71-107-249-139.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 08:08.29 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: oh |
| 08:08.31 | Dewi | yacc: why not use them? |
| 08:08.34 | *** part/#debian rrichie (n=xxxx@lyon.ever-team.com) |
| 08:08.41 | *** part/#debian sm (n=sm@pool-71-107-249-139.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 08:08.50 | rcbarnes | uh-oh. there's a bad answer coming, I sense |
| 08:08.57 | enouf | yeah, compress their ass ;-) |
| 08:09.00 | Dewi | rcbarnes: *oh*. |
| 08:09.05 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: Maybe compiling it yourself was the way to go... however... |
| 08:09.14 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: you could try compiling from the debian-sources |
| 08:09.18 | yacc | Dewi: because the recipient is one Windows box? |
| 08:09.48 | Dewi | yacc: most windows archivers can decompress tar.gz and tar.bz2, including winrar and I think the open source 7zip |
| 08:09.48 | enouf | i think there's also a possibilty of an /etc/apt/apt.conf file, though i forget if it's dependent on a /preferences file or not |
| 08:10.09 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: apt-get build-dep zsnes; apt-get source zsnes |
| 08:10.20 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: cool. Lemme try that |
| 08:10.29 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: then go to the znes-<version> directory that unpacked, and run ./debian/rules binary |
| 08:10.52 | yacc | Dewi: can it do that with an 8.5GB file too? |
| 08:10.59 | Dewi | yacc: I don't see why not |
| 08:11.28 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: done those now. |
| 08:11.31 | *** join/#debian khatahn (n=khatahn@CCCXXV.voas.saunalahti.fi) |
| 08:11.44 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: hmm |
| 08:11.53 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: what do I do now? |
| 08:11.56 | *** join/#debian jm|work (n=jm@sentry.flags.co.uk) |
| 08:12.17 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: Including the ./debian/rules binary ? |
| 08:12.30 | enouf | yacc: nice list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_archivers |
| 08:12.32 | khatahn | any good text editor available from debian repositories that is able to smoothly handle huge text files? |
| 08:12.35 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: ran that, (sudo ./debian/rules) |
| 08:12.46 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: that should have created some binary packages one level up |
| 08:12.52 | enouf | and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_archive_formats |
| 08:13.02 | rcbarnes | oh, yeah. |
| 08:13.08 | Dewi | yacc: "For historical reasons numerical values are encoded in octal with leading zeroes. The final character is either a null or a space. Thus although there are 12 bytes reserved for storing the file size, only 11 octal digits can be stored. This gives a maximum file size of 8 gigabytes on archived files. To overcome this limitation some versions of tar, including the GNU implementation, support an extension in which the file size is encoded i |
| 08:13.15 | yacc | Well, I've got that unfree rar 3.30 here, so I'll create a rar, and then we'll see how long it will use up my DSL :) |
| 08:13.16 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: There is a good change these won't work and will crash |
| 08:13.25 | rcbarnes | zsnes[...].diff.gz,.dsc,.tar.gz |
| 08:13.41 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: Some info out there suggests that zsnes doesn't work as a 64-bit binary |
| 08:13.45 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: what do I do with these? I don't see any .deb |
| 08:13.47 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: hmm.. no |
| 08:13.52 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: there should be a .deb |
| 08:13.56 | rcbarnes | nope. |
| 08:14.02 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: was there any output from running rules binary |
| 08:14.06 | rcbarnes | .dsc is the closest |
| 08:14.10 | rcbarnes | yes |
| 08:14.16 | rcbarnes | lemme pastebin it |
| 08:15.02 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/447722 |
| 08:15.04 | *** join/#debian lexoplex (n=lexoplex@bern.cip.ifi.lmu.de) |
| 08:15.35 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: I said ./debian/rules binary |
| 08:15.46 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: with sudo or fakeroot |
| 08:15.56 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: the "binary" is important |
| 08:16.04 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: tells it to build binary packages :) |
| 08:16.06 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: I misread that to mean the "./debian/rules" binary |
| 08:16.15 | \amethyst | ahh |
| 08:16.20 | \amethyst | It's actually a makefile :) |
| 08:16.20 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 08:16.41 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: chips/dsp1emu.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set |
| 08:16.48 | rcbarnes | make error... :-/ |
| 08:17.17 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: It is very likely zsnes doesn't support 64-bit architectures |
| 08:17.42 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: I thought I saw something somewhere about making it for amd64 |
| 08:17.46 | rcbarnes | lemme look for that |
| 08:17.59 | wols_ | rcbarnes: what cpu does configure detect on the beginning? |
| 08:18.11 | *** join/#debian Winkie (i=sd@87-194-8-125.bethere.co.uk) |
| 08:19.01 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: (i know ubuntu != debian) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=272927~ |
| 08:19.05 | rcbarnes | wols_: lemme look |
| 08:19.48 | *** join/#debian Guerin (n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 08:19.54 | \amethyst | rcbarnes: Yeah, you might be able to run the 32-bit version with ia32-libs |
| 08:19.55 | rcbarnes | cd src && (./autogen.sh --with-opengl i486-pc-linux-gnu --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib && /usr/bin/make) [...] checking host system type... i486-pc-linux-gnu |
| 08:20.19 | rcbarnes | \amethyst: this is going to be an astounding pain in the ass, isn't it? |
| 08:20.34 | *** join/#debian Thumann (i=Thumann@91.100.8.47.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 08:20.56 | Guerin | autoconf == an astounding pain in the ass |
| 08:21.11 | rcbarnes | Guerin: I hear that a lot. :-P |
| 08:21.32 | *** join/#debian dusty-work (n=dusty@host81-130-95-42.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 08:21.34 | Guerin | i have one thing where autoconf simply doesn't generate the .config file - and autogen.sh tries to run it, and fails because it didn't fucking make it |
| 08:21.40 | Thumann | hi guys, trying to install debian on this aopen ux4sg-1394 but the installer can't find the attached dvd-drive and thus can't 'load installer components from cd' or what ever the step is (after you've chosen language etc.. ) i used boot linux26, any ideas? |
| 08:21.44 | Guerin | (ntop) |
| 08:22.15 | Guerin | Thumann: boot into expert and load only the modules you need |
| 08:22.54 | Guerin | oh, wait |
| 08:22.54 | Guerin | linux26 is sarge |
| 08:22.54 | Guerin | use etch |
| 08:22.55 | Dewi | Guerin: how can something so fundamental suck so much? |
| 08:22.55 | Dewi | Guerin: .... *still*? |
| 08:22.55 | Guerin | Dewi: yes. |
| 08:22.57 | Thumann | I865G / ICH5 chipset.. |
| 08:23.20 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua_ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-56-29.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:23.24 | Guerin | my understanding of make files extends to make && make install |
| 08:23.30 | Guerin | if that fails, I tend to give up |
| 08:23.38 | Dewi | Guerin: I also know 'make clean' !! |
| 08:23.50 | Dewi | Guerin: but it doesn't make me feel any cleaner after using make |
| 08:24.26 | litage | when i try to rsync a directory over ssh with ``rsync -avz -e "ssh -p 2233" wombat:backup/weekly/ .'' the first line of output is "sh: line 1: rsync: command not found". i understand the message, but don't understand why it's occuring. any ideas? |
| 08:25.06 | Dewi | litage: you need rsync available on the remote end |
| 08:25.14 | *** join/#debian fireba11_grr (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 08:25.16 | Dewi | litage: ssh in and type 'rsync' and see if you experience the same problem |
| 08:25.19 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@80.65.65.69) |
| 08:25.24 | *** join/#debian bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-127-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:25.24 | litage | Dewi: ah =P |
| 08:25.28 | Dewi | litage: also try to match the versions reasonably closely |
| 08:25.57 | litage | Dewi: good idea |
| 08:26.02 | *** join/#debian zorgen (n=kenet@cm36.omega152.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 08:27.50 | *** join/#debian Enselic (n=martin@kr-lun-58-151-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 08:27.51 | zorgen | going to buy a wlan pci card. any recommendation for one with very good sensitivity? |
| 08:29.07 | zorgen | where are all the debianers? |
| 08:29.14 | rcbarnes | Dewi, \amethyst, wols_: thanks for the help. I'm giving up now, though. I'm exausted... |
| 08:29.36 | Dewi | rcbarnes: :( poor old amd64 |
| 08:29.48 | rcbarnes | Dewi: yeah. Too bad. |
| 08:29.59 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 08:30.10 | Dewi | rcbarnes: the fact that the binary package is available for i386 but not amd64 means everyone else has failed to find a good solution before you |
| 08:30.20 | rcbarnes | Dewi: :-/ |
| 08:30.33 | rcbarnes | Unfortunate. |
| 08:30.37 | Dewi | rcbarnes: get vmware and emulate an i386 so you can emulate the nes |
| 08:30.44 | Dewi | come on you know you wnat to |
| 08:31.02 | Dewi | :) |
| 08:31.20 | rcbarnes | Dewi: I just threw up a little at the thought of that... |
| 08:31.28 | jm|work | or bochs |
| 08:31.41 | Dewi | rcbarnes: I actually thought that packages couldn't get into stable if they didn't compile on amd64. maybe they dropped that requirement. |
| 08:31.44 | jm|work | (: |
| 08:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 08:32.33 | Dewi | rcbarnes: I remember for a few months 'tightvnc' was unavailable on testing even for i386, because it stopped building right on amd64. very annoying it was. |
| 08:32.40 | rcbarnes | Dewi: apparently. Which is too bad---that might have gotten a little more work on the amd64 encouraged by someone... |
| 08:33.25 | Dewi | rcbarnes: is my 'AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+' 64 bit? |
| 08:33.49 | rcbarnes | Dewi: I don't know---prob. not? |
| 08:34.02 | rcbarnes | I thought AMD advertised 64-bit on anything that was. |
| 08:34.02 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@212.31.236.154) |
| 08:34.08 | Dewi | I tend to forget about it... also I think they are all running windows |
| 08:34.19 | Dewi | actually, I do have a brand new core due laptop running vista - that's probably 64 bit |
| 08:34.51 | Dewi | but... my point is that in general, high availability of the hardware hasn't meant anybody much is actually running the software |
| 08:35.07 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@82.111.212.201) |
| 08:37.37 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 08:37.37 | rcbarnes | ...and a big reason I got a 64-bit is to make cinelerra... which isn't compiling. Great. |
| 08:37.37 | Dewi | and I bet that when I do finally repurpose one of the 64 bit CPUs for debian or ubuntu, I won't even think of using amd64 arch |
| 08:37.38 | Joelio | been running amd64 on my core 2 duo laptop and it's running fine |
| 08:37.38 | rcbarnes | Dewi: well, too late for me to go to 32-bit, and I really would rather take the "high (bit) road" |
| 08:37.56 | Dewi | rcbarnes: heh. well, if you think about it, games are one thing that does tend to be written with a high degree of... snugness against the hardware |
| 08:38.14 | Dewi | rcbarnes: and high-performance things like emulators |
| 08:38.16 | maddash | http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mrxvtblobdd2.png <----- does anyone know why mrxvt (variant of the rxvt) displays aptitude in garbled characters and/or how I could fix this? |
| 08:38.17 | Guerin | cinelerra isn't a game |
| 08:38.22 | *** join/#debian scx (n=somebody@148.240.236.182) |
| 08:38.22 | Guerin | it's a toy, but not a game |
| 08:38.31 | Dewi | Guerin: his problem was zsnes until now |
| 08:38.37 | Guerin | oh, opk |
| 08:38.51 | *** join/#debian Xenu_ (n=Xenu@60.230.47.99) |
| 08:39.03 | tarzeau | maddash: what says locale ? |
| 08:39.09 | Guerin | maddash: wrong locale |
| 08:39.10 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-020.eplus-online.de) |
| 08:39.16 | tarzeau | maddash: is this Terminal.app ? |
| 08:39.19 | Xenu_ | Any managed to get a Easy TV USB DVB-T stick or something similar to work on debian? |
| 08:39.23 | tarzeau | or aterm? |
| 08:39.32 | Guerin | mrxvt |
| 08:39.39 | Guerin | i think it's rxvt with tabs |
| 08:39.42 | maddash | tarzeau: mrxvt |
| 08:39.59 | tarzeau | Guerin: i see |
| 08:40.06 | maddash | Guerin: you mean debian's locale? or mrxvt's? |
| 08:40.29 | wols_ | maddash: mrxvt is not utf8 capabl IIRC |
| 08:40.31 | maddash | Guerin: if the former, which file should i be looking at? |
| 08:41.15 | rcbarnes | Dewi: well, it seems my nasm compiler is one micro-version short of being able to make cinelerra. How can I allow something newer than etch in? |
| 08:41.22 | Guerin | maddash: a terminal emulator doesn't have a locale - the shell does. However it's likely you're using utf-8 and it's not working |
| 08:41.25 | Guerin | as wols_ said |
| 08:41.34 | Guerin | use rxvt-unicode[-ml] |
| 08:41.51 | Guerin | rcbarnes: /msg dpkg backport |
| 08:42.05 | rcbarnes | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:42.06 | maddash | Guerin: rxvt is bigger and slower |
| 08:42.24 | Dewi | rcbarnes: you can try to find a binary backport package, or risk pulling in a testing/unstable package, or build it yourself from debian source package, or build it yourself from source generically |
| 08:42.35 | Dewi | rcbarnes: or you can switch your whole system to testing |
| 08:42.37 | Guerin | maddash: i'm telling you to use *u*rxvt |
| 08:43.02 | Guerin | maddash: you get to do that, or change your loacle to something else |
| 08:43.15 | Guerin | and as for rxvt being big and bloated - don't make me laught |
| 08:43.23 | *** join/#debian nlight (n=nlight@89.25.48.181) |
| 08:43.25 | Guerin | rxvt's *entire* purpose is to be light |
| 08:43.41 | Dewi | Guerin: I prefer the sleek efficiency of gnome-term |
| 08:44.01 | maddash | Guerin: i just tried a `dpkg-reconfigure locales` from en_US.UTF-8 to en_US.ISO-8859-1 --- and i'm getting a "setting locale failed" |
| 08:44.12 | jm|work | terminal war?! Yay. |
| 08:44.15 | Dewi | maddash: why would you change away from unicode? |
| 08:44.42 | *** part/#debian Xenu_ (n=Xenu@60.230.47.99) |
| 08:44.42 | maddash | Dewi: so that mrxvt won't fubar UTF-8 |
| 08:44.45 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah. I like my cute, nippy nissan patrol for cramped inner-city traffic |
| 08:44.51 | Guerin | great for parallel parking |
| 08:45.00 | maddash | Guerin: how's the kim-chi? |
| 08:45.19 | Guerin | maddash: same as it ever was, I guess. Had some the other day, it was yummeh. |
| 08:45.30 | Dewi | maddash: so you'll cripple internationalisation system-wide and try to reverse years of progress just to keep using some crappy terminal program? |
| 08:45.35 | Dewi | maddash: depressing |
| 08:45.43 | rcbarnes | I gotta get some sleep. I've been to bed less than half the nigts (which were all for <3.5 hours) of the last week, and I'm at the end of what I can do helthfully. |
| 08:45.54 | Guerin | jm|work: are you the jm_ of old? |
| 08:46.13 | *** join/#debian alejolp (n=alejolp@201-212-45-99.cab.prima.net.ar) |
| 08:46.14 | Guerin | Dewi: maddash likes to do things the hard way |
| 08:46.20 | Guerin | he thinks it teaches him stuff |
| 08:46.23 | *** join/#debian Zoo- (n=opera@adsl-75-23-90-32.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:46.23 | maddash | Dewi: idiosyncratic. actually, aterm has the same problem as mrxvt |
| 08:46.30 | rcbarnes | So, thank you Guerin, Dewi, \amethyst, wols_, et al. |
| 08:46.33 | Dewi | maddash: then they suck. use something that doesn't :P |
| 08:46.33 | Guerin | ultimately it will |
| 08:47.05 | maddash | [sigh] xterm's rather big, so i guess it's rxvt-unicode-lite |
| 08:47.42 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 08:48.20 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 08:48.29 | Guerin | maddash: are you running an embedded system or something? |
| 08:48.32 | jm|work | Guerin: how old? |
| 08:48.41 | Guerin | or you just like being puritanical |
| 08:48.46 | jm|work | I feel old. |
| 08:48.53 | *** join/#debian fo0 (n=fo0@gas45-2-82-239-1-167.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 08:48.54 | Guerin | jm|work: if you were, you'd know who I meant ;) |
| 08:49.32 | *** join/#debian hrw (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) |
| 08:49.34 | hrw | hi |
| 08:49.43 | *** join/#debian KermitTheFragger (n=ktf@118-197.bbned.dsl.internl.net) |
| 08:49.48 | maddash | Guerin: i resent "puritanical." The proper term here is "lean and mean." |
| 08:49.51 | Dewi | Guerin: "one of my hobbies is removing bits of windows xp that aren't meant to be removed, so that I can save up to 5MB of disk space, and it probably won't cost me hours of hunting down mysterious failures" |
| 08:49.57 | maddash | Guerin: (: |
| 08:50.01 | hrw | someone upgraded from 2.6.18 -> 2.6.20 with crypted LVM? |
| 08:50.06 | Dewi | Guerin: it's a common outlook... :P |
| 08:50.37 | Dewi | maddash: sounds like you should be running a BSD, not debian linux :) |
| 08:50.48 | jm|work | oO |
| 08:50.58 | *** join/#debian Turgon (n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon) |
| 08:51.07 | maddash | :O |
| 08:51.21 | jm|work | mmm BSD |
| 08:51.40 | hrw | I installed Etch with 2.6.18 on laptop with crypted lvm (on /dev/hda5). then upgraded to sid (which I use on desktop) which use 2.6.20 with libata (so /dev/hda5 -> /dev/sda5). But crypto lvm want to get hda5 so it does not boot with 2.6.20 |
| 08:52.01 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (n=nth@2002:54f0:1683:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 08:52.01 | Guerin | yeh |
| 08:52.06 | Guerin | openbsd is all you |
| 08:52.22 | jm|work | hrw: symlink? ;) |
| 08:53.03 | hrw | jm|work: rootfs is on that lvm too |
| 08:53.13 | hrw | jm|work: and symlink is workaround not solution |
| 08:54.10 | jm|work | solution: liveCD w/ eLVM --> backup --> restore on /dev/sda5 |
| 08:54.15 | jm|work | (: |
| 08:54.41 | *** join/#debian peerless (n=peerless@220-245-89-123.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:54.42 | hrw | jm|work: this laptop does not have cd drive |
| 08:54.43 | Dewi | hrw: hmm. I thought the whole point of LVM was that it didn't matter where your physical volumes were |
| 08:54.55 | Dewi | hrw: does encryption break that? |
| 08:55.39 | hrw | moment - rebooting machine |
| 08:55.50 | Dewi | hrw: have you done the hocus pocus to activate the logical volume with the new layout? |
| 08:56.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 782] by debhelper |
| 08:56.41 | Dewi | but I haven't used encryption so maybe I'm wrong |
| 08:56.41 | hrw | I have: 'Setting up cryptographic volume hda5_crypt (based on /dev/hda5)' 'cryptsetup: Source device /dev/hda5 not found' |
| 08:56.58 | Dewi | hrw: is that a physical volume? |
| 08:57.13 | hrw | Dewi: yes |
| 08:57.20 | hrw | lvm is on /dev/hda5 only |
| 08:57.30 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.147.117) |
| 08:57.33 | hrw | split to rootfs/home/swap by etch installer |
| 08:57.41 | Dewi | hrw: hmm. have you tried pvscan ? |
| 08:57.59 | Dewi | (and all the rest) |
| 08:58.46 | hrw | Dewi: if you tell me how to get shell in initramfs/debian I will test |
| 08:59.11 | hrw | ok. got shell |
| 08:59.11 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@80.65.65.69) |
| 08:59.30 | Dewi | hrw: there is something called 'cryptsetup' |
| 08:59.53 | Dewi | hrw: I'm not sure, but I think it manages the encrypted members of the mapper |
| 08:59.53 | hrw | great.. initramfs 2.6.20 does not contain lvm utils |
| 09:00.35 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 09:00.55 | Dewi | hrw: grep hda5 /etc/fstab |
| 09:01.35 | hrw | Dewi: none |
| 09:01.48 | hrw | debian fstab contain lvm entries and /boot |
| 09:02.57 | Dewi | hrw: look in /etc/security/pam_mount.conf |
| 09:03.02 | *** join/#debian jaski (n=jason@217.116.235.64) |
| 09:04.16 | Dewi | hrw: also check /etc/init.d/cryptinit |
| 09:04.47 | Dewi | hrw: I think you need to find whatever startup script is invoking cryptsetup and asking it to mount hda, and change it to sda |
| 09:04.51 | Dewi | er not mount |
| 09:04.59 | Dewi | .... more like create mapper device |
| 09:05.26 | Dewi | hrw: anyway, I'm totally out of my depth. good luck |
| 09:05.57 | *** join/#debian fausto (n=fausto@ip-87-238-3-187.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 09:06.24 | hrw | thx |
| 09:09.15 | *** join/#debian beli (i=beli@vs.dainius.de) |
| 09:09.21 | beli | hi folks |
| 09:09.47 | *** part/#debian alejolp (n=alejolp@201-212-45-99.cab.prima.net.ar) |
| 09:10.46 | *** join/#debian DavidProck1981 (n=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 09:11.14 | beli | i have a remote box with hda1 as boot, hda2 as swap and hda3 as system & home parition. i want to resize hda3 and create a new partition hda4. on this partition i want to install debian etch. how to perform this install best? |
| 09:11.16 | *** join/#debian Roman123 (n=Roman123@85.90.139.238) |
| 09:11.54 | *** join/#debian sabdfl (n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl) |
| 09:12.53 | *** part/#debian sabdfl (n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl) |
| 09:12.54 | DavidProck1981 | ok i went to useing the nv driver and i can get in the gui now, but my setup/whatever is totaly worng cause i cant play any of the games i like cause i get a "Segmentation fault" as soon at it opens |
| 09:12.55 | Roman123 | It seems that there is no libapache2-mod-security for amd64 architecture in etch. Is there a certain reason why? |
| 09:13.32 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:14.16 | DavidProck1981 | !DavidProck |
| 09:14.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, davidprock is a Person that can barly get by useing Linux, And some times needs a lot instructional of help |
| 09:14.45 | *** join/#debian SEcki (n=SEcki@e181065245.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:14.58 | *** join/#debian _TwinX_ (n=TwinX@203-044-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 09:15.00 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 09:15.26 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:16.41 | jm|work | "useing" Linux? |
| 09:16.48 | DavidProck1981 | the nvidia one-liner does not work |
| 09:16.51 | pythonic | "barly"? |
| 09:17.05 | jm|work | mmm wholegrainy |
| 09:17.16 | pythonic | "some times"? |
| 09:17.20 | jm|work | "Person" |
| 09:17.23 | pythonic | "a lot instructional of help" |
| 09:17.33 | jaski | Hi all, I'm running a Debian 2.6.8-3-686 kernel (Debian/GNU Linux 3.1). I update with aptitude, which is now offering me a monster update. The status line shows "aptitude 0.2.15.9 #Broken: 1 Will free 1297MB of disk space DL Size: 32,7MB." The Debian site shows that the new stable release is Linux 4.0 (etch). Can anyone tell me if this is what I'm actually being offered? |
| 09:17.35 | jm|work | /pedant |
| 09:17.43 | *** join/#debian ghenry (n=ghenry@suretecsystems.plus.com) |
| 09:18.06 | beli | jaski: right....and so 4.0 called etch is stable now |
| 09:18.07 | hrw | jaski: you got offer to upgrade to etch |
| 09:18.09 | jm|work | etch was released? |
| 09:18.28 | *** join/#debian oxygen (n=matrix@unaffiliated/oxygen) |
| 09:18.31 | oxygen | hi all |
| 09:18.37 | oxygen | i need debian 4 for source.list |
| 09:18.40 | beli | jaski: if you have stable in your apt config it wants you to update to etch |
| 09:18.41 | oxygen | help me pls |
| 09:18.57 | *** join/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 09:19.01 | beli | jaski: if you want to stick with your old distro....you should switch stable to sarge or wathever |
| 09:19.08 | Zoo- | is there anyone here, who has sucessfully configured XGL + Compiz on debian etch |
| 09:19.12 | beli | s+wath+what+ |
| 09:19.17 | Enverex | Is there a mirror for the business-card ISOs? I'm egtting service unavailable when I try and download |
| 09:19.17 | Zoo- | I am even willing to send some pay pal donation, when I get my check |
| 09:19.55 | Zoo- | I been at it for a while, and cannot seem to get somewhere, however, also selling my acer, for $500 and getting a way better notebook with a dedicated nvidia graphics card |
| 09:19.59 | Enverex | Zoo-, What graphics card and drivers are you using? |
| 09:20.15 | Zoo- | also very busy with work, and working on systems |
| 09:20.23 | Zoo- | i1810 Enverex |
| 09:20.45 | Zoo- | I copied alot of files from my Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, and config, hoping to menipulate debian |
| 09:20.50 | *** join/#debian Silensius (n=Silensiu@137.195-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 09:20.54 | Enverex | Zoo-, Ouch, GLX cripples OpenGL on the machine btw so it's not exactly fun |
| 09:21.00 | *** join/#debian Appiah (i=appiah@82.183.102.170) |
| 09:21.03 | oxygen | help me :P |
| 09:21.32 | Zoo- | lol heya oxygen |
| 09:21.35 | oxygen | zoo hi |
| 09:21.41 | Zoo- | Enverex: , I copied proprietary drivers from my mandriva 2007 PowerPack, in which I was doing some hacks on and stuff |
| 09:21.43 | oxygen | i need source.list for debian 4 |
| 09:21.50 | rahul | oxygen: look at the mirror list on the web site!! |
| 09:21.54 | Zoo- | and going to see how it does on debian, also some other configuration, and modprobe.d |
| 09:21.57 | Enverex | Zoo-, Erm, Intel's own drivers are open source |
| 09:21.58 | Appiah | cant you just write one yourself oxygen ? |
| 09:22.03 | Zoo- | erm |
| 09:22.05 | oxygen | yesi cant |
| 09:22.11 | rahul | oxygen: or just select the source you want IN THE INSTALLER |
| 09:22.19 | rahul | oxygen: that's a personal problem |
| 09:22.30 | oxygen | yes |
| 09:22.35 | oxygen | how can i select it |
| 09:22.40 | oxygen | i cant find mirror list |
| 09:22.41 | rahul | just do it |
| 09:22.49 | Zoo- | do you think you all could help me with that. etc? and maybe configuring fleow plugin for banshee... needs dang tao-opengl, |
| 09:22.54 | rahul | the installer GIVES you a list to choose from |
| 09:23.05 | rahul | did they keep that feature, at least? |
| 09:23.40 | DavidProck1981 | ive got a GeForce 7600 GS on an AGP card, and i cant get the drivers installed correctly , can someone help? |
| 09:23.50 | jaski | beli: Thanx. I don't really know what happens during such a major update and my disk space is very limited. df shows "3652684 2772020 695116 80% /." Is such an update really feasible, given this limitation? |
| 09:23.58 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@80.65.65.69) |
| 09:24.01 | Enverex | Is there a mirror for the business-card ISOs? I'm egtting service unavailable when I try and download |
| 09:24.17 | scx | can't be I'be been waitin 4hrs to get voice in #freenode! |
| 09:24.43 | beli | jaski: if you feel good with your current system.....stick with it.... |
| 09:24.54 | beli | jaski: you will still get security updates and so on for sarge |
| 09:25.47 | beli | jaski: the problem of such a big update are not just disc space ;) many path locations have been altered and config files too... |
| 09:26.03 | *** join/#debian Super_Cat_Frog_ (n=bob@hostgw.host-82-138-193-80.telecomplete.net) |
| 09:26.26 | Super_Cat_Frog_ | hi - im looking for a way of sharing the PHP session files between two debian etch webservers - any ideas? |
| 09:26.27 | Zoo- | right now, I am almost getting a 30 mbps connection, I kid ya not. 200 ft from my the AT&T Carrier |
| 09:26.29 | Zoo- | in Peoria, IL |
| 09:26.43 | Zoo- | lmao. I did the debian netinstall in 15 mins and up in running.. |
| 09:26.51 | Zoo- | complete. |
| 09:26.52 | Enverex | Yay, I get 2Mb and it drops constantly :/ |
| 09:26.56 | Zoo- | lol |
| 09:26.57 | Enverex | (paying for 8) |
| 09:27.03 | Zoo- | sorry to hear that |
| 09:27.04 | *** join/#debian BabyBee (n=14116530@61.181.247.146) |
| 09:27.06 | beli | Zoo-: maybe you can help me then...lemme repeat my question |
| 09:27.12 | Zoo- | sorry I was busy |
| 09:27.25 | Zoo- | maybe if things keep going well with this connection |
| 09:27.31 | beli | i have a remote box with hda1 as boot, hda2 as swap and hda3 as system & home parition. i want to resize hda3 and create a new partition hda4. on this partition i want to install debian etch. how to perform this install best? |
| 09:27.37 | Zoo- | I can learn how to make deb packages, and then host a repository etc |
| 09:27.51 | Zoo- | i was watching videos on it etc.. and reading.. |
| 09:28.04 | Zoo- | netinstall |
| 09:28.13 | hrw | beli: umount hda3, resize it with parted, create hda4. reboot if necessary |
| 09:28.18 | Zoo- | oh you want to install it remotely? |
| 09:28.22 | Zoo- | :S |
| 09:28.24 | beli | yes remotely |
| 09:28.31 | Zoo- | havn't done that yet :) |
| 09:28.33 | jaski | beli: I have trouble with sound under sarge, so it could be worth trying if it's possible given my limited disk space (I'm running an olde 366 MHz celeron system). |
| 09:28.34 | psyco-obiwan | beli: try debootstrap |
| 09:28.34 | beli | i have a rescue console where i can mount stuff |
| 09:28.38 | hrw | beli: mount hda4 somewhere and use debootstrap to populate debian on hda4 |
| 09:28.59 | beli | ok i will read about debootstrap |
| 09:29.12 | jaski | beli: pls xcuse ye olde englishe |
| 09:29.14 | Zoo- | lmao Enverex |
| 09:29.17 | panthera | beli: do you have a rescue system at hand? |
| 09:29.28 | beli | i thought of loop back mounting of a iso image |
| 09:29.29 | Enverex | Is there a mirror for the business-card ISOs? I'm egtting service unavailable when I try and download < |
| 09:29.46 | Zoo- | just did.. sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$ (uname -r) build-essential g++-3.4 |
| 09:29.55 | Zoo- | and it has only taken 20 secs lmao |
| 09:30.08 | Zoo- | lmao I"m in the twilight zone for real lolz |
| 09:30.41 | DavidProck1981 | is any one good at setting up nVidia cards ? |
| 09:30.43 | Zoo- | hee.. they probably fixed the lines in the area, in this skyrise lmao |
| 09:30.48 | Zoo- | yes DavidProck1981 |
| 09:30.55 | DavidProck1981 | can u help me |
| 09:30.58 | Zoo- | sure I can |
| 09:31.00 | *** join/#debian kisielk (n=kisielk@zeus.kimaker.com) |
| 09:31.04 | beli | panthera: yes...i can boot into a rescue system remotely... |
| 09:31.07 | kisielk | what determines the default python version on Debian? |
| 09:31.13 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, It's very easy |
| 09:31.16 | Zoo- | you using just su or sudo , ? |
| 09:31.17 | rhodo|away | will icedove/thunderbird appear in etch? or only in lenny? |
| 09:31.22 | DavidProck1981 | ive tried the one-liner it did not get it going |
| 09:31.24 | Zoo- | me, I add sudo you see, |
| 09:31.26 | panthera | beli: then build your system on your local one and pull it in through rsync. |
| 09:31.27 | Ronin | rhodo|away: its in etch |
| 09:31.34 | panthera | beli: most convenient way. |
| 09:31.34 | DavidProck1981 | i use su |
| 09:31.38 | Enverex | Install the driver from nVidia then set xorg to use "nvidia" and that's it |
| 09:31.46 | Zoo- | sudo apt-get install linux$ (uname -r) build-essential |
| 09:31.58 | Zoo- | do tha.. and get the nvidia package driver from nvidia |
| 09:32.00 | Zoo- | it will be an sh script |
| 09:32.04 | rhododendron | sorry. yes. i meant new version 2 |
| 09:32.11 | Zoo- | install the linux-headers first though, |
| 09:32.27 | Zoo- | and its best to run the script in runlevel 3 |
| 09:32.30 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 09:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 09:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 09:32.38 | Zoo- | outside of X |
| 09:32.44 | *** join/#debian c1ru (n=pacogp@81.202.45.15.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:32.47 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 09:32.52 | Zoo- | they have included a configuration. .to edit Xorg for u |
| 09:32.58 | Zoo- | nvidia-xconf |
| 09:33.03 | beli | panthera: ok....that's an idea....but is it possible to start the config/setup process from a loopback mounted iso image? |
| 09:33.03 | Enverex | Ok, this is annoying, it keeps sending me to the SAME BROKEN mirror each time I try and download the business card ISO |
| 09:33.19 | panthera | beli: no |
| 09:33.43 | *** join/#debian j4zz (i=csegui@nat/ibm/x-469e164d31eee685) |
| 09:33.48 | Zoo- | but hey Enverex, getting XGL + Compiz configured on Etch is possible yes? |
| 09:33.52 | rhododendron | i meant: will thunderbird 2 appear in etch? |
| 09:33.55 | jm|work | Enverex: afaik there is only one A record for cdimage.debian.com (which is itself a CNAME) |
| 09:34.04 | Zoo- | I know it has to be possible, I just do not know the means of it yet.. and been studying |
| 09:34.19 | Zoo- | I know I have alot of books to read, and more studying :) |
| 09:34.20 | *** join/#debian BudgetDedicated (n=BudgetDe@s5593c2e9.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 09:34.27 | jm|work | er .org |
| 09:34.28 | jm|work | or whatever |
| 09:34.32 | Enverex | jm|work, It sends me to laozu.acc.umu.se ... |
| 09:34.40 | Ronin | rhododendron: not in etch, and im not sure whats in lenny |
| 09:34.40 | jm|work | cdimage.debian.org. 2731 IN CNAME ftp.acc.umu.se. |
| 09:34.40 | jm|work | ftp.acc.umu.se. 600 IN A 130.239.18.137 |
| 09:34.42 | beli | panthera: and something like netinstall? |
| 09:34.46 | jm|work | yeah; no round-robin afaics |
| 09:34.48 | DavidProck1981 | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux2.6.18-4-686" |
| 09:34.54 | rhododendron | Ronin: thanks. |
| 09:34.55 | jm|work | brb |
| 09:35.02 | panthera | beli: /either/ use d-i /or/ {c,}debootstrap |
| 09:35.05 | Enverex | Would have thought Debian would have mirrors :/ |
| 09:35.05 | DavidProck1981 | that is what u tald me to install? |
| 09:35.18 | panthera | beli: *iff* you use {c,}debootstrap *and* you have a rescue system at hand; |
| 09:35.24 | rhododendron | i didn't get any updates for etch the last days. are the sources frozen or something? |
| 09:35.29 | panthera | beli: bootstrap locally and rsync it over. |
| 09:35.35 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h-87-251-205-163.wholesale.rp80.se) |
| 09:35.37 | panthera | rest should be clear. |
| 09:35.38 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 09:35.40 | oxygen | i cant find |
| 09:35.51 | Zoo- | back |
| 09:35.57 | oxygen | :( |
| 09:36.00 | beli | panthera: thanks |
| 09:36.11 | Zoo- | DavidProck1981: . have you edited your apt sources list yet |
| 09:36.30 | Ronin | oxygen: cant find what? or how far back do i have to scroll? |
| 09:36.38 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p5b019fb8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:36.44 | *** join/#debian dosdos (i=dosdos@85.104.130.133) |
| 09:36.55 | Zoo- | and Enverex, even though I was spending some time hacking on my mandriva 2007 PowerPack I got for hooking systems up for this IT, |
| 09:37.01 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex Install the driver from nVidia then set xorg to use "nvidia" and that's it, I DID THAT, and then the xserver wont load |
| 09:37.08 | Zoo- | associate.. it still isn't worth it m8 |
| 09:37.18 | Zoo- | its far from being universal like debian |
| 09:37.33 | *** part/#debian dosdos (i=dosdos@85.104.130.133) |
| 09:37.35 | Zoo- | yeah it might have hardware support for this and tha and yada. but hee < I am ripping the sucker off :) |
| 09:37.53 | DavidProck1981 | Zoo-:i have not edit my apt sources yeat |
| 09:38.04 | Zoo- | okay... do you want to add yourself as a sudoer? |
| 09:38.38 | Zoo- | its a good measure to practice of security david |
| 09:38.43 | Zoo- | ubuntu runs it as default |
| 09:38.47 | oxygen | is it debian 4 deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:38.48 | Zoo- | so does Mac OS X |
| 09:38.48 | oxygen | ? |
| 09:38.59 | Zoo- | for etch? |
| 09:39.04 | *** join/#debian MrWup (n=neil@80-46-38-124.static.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 09:39.04 | oxygen | yes |
| 09:39.07 | DavidProck1981 | i just use su |
| 09:39.08 | oxygen | i use etch |
| 09:39.11 | Zoo- | well theres many of them |
| 09:39.19 | Zoo- | for mine I use.. |
| 09:39.38 | Zoo- | here, let me just install xchat, , and come on with my deb system |
| 09:39.46 | Ronin | oxygen: are you looking to set up a sources.list for etch/stable? |
| 09:40.05 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, So what's the error? |
| 09:40.06 | DavidProck1981 | Zoo- who u talkingto |
| 09:40.26 | Zoo- | then I'll post you my sources.list |
| 09:40.34 | oxygen | ok |
| 09:40.40 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex dont rememner it all, it just cant load the xserver |
| 09:40.40 | Zoo- | at leats what I am adding in there for now :) |
| 09:40.44 | oxygen | Do you use debian 4 |
| 09:40.50 | Zoo- | of course |
| 09:40.52 | oxygen | ok |
| 09:40.54 | Zoo- | I have been using debian since sarge |
| 09:40.56 | oxygen | paste pls |
| 09:41.07 | Zoo- | lmao. and I had my days and days let me tell ya :P |
| 09:41.16 | Zoo- | like we all had :) |
| 09:41.25 | Ronin | !tell oxygen about mirrors |
| 09:41.26 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-24-16-40-146.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 09:41.32 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, .... so open the log file and check |
| 09:41.37 | Zoo- | I also run vmware workstation for linux in it, with my windows xp professiona vlk, and windows vista ultimate edition |
| 09:41.46 | DavidProck1981 | where is the log file it |
| 09:42.02 | Ronin | not that they'll listen mind you |
| 09:42.10 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua__ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-56-29.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:42.12 | liable | DavidProck1981: /var/log |
| 09:42.14 | Zoo- | be on in min |
| 09:42.17 | BabyBee | which command(in 4.0) have the same function as "base-config" (in 3.1)) |
| 09:42.24 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-026-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:42.28 | Zoo- | is everyone happy with using http://pastebin.ca |
| 09:42.29 | Zoo- | ? |
| 09:42.29 | azeem | BabyBee: none |
| 09:42.32 | liable | BabyBee: none |
| 09:42.37 | *** join/#debian lun_ (i=lun@88.118.241.35) |
| 09:42.45 | azeem | BabyBee: which part of base-config do you need? |
| 09:42.46 | *** join/#debian elefth (n=elefther@87-194-38-102.bethere.co.uk) |
| 09:42.58 | liable | BabyBee: what do you need to change? |
| 09:42.59 | BabyBee | Software install |
| 09:43.07 | azeem | BabyBee: use tasksel and synaptic |
| 09:43.19 | BabyBee | ok ! thanks ! |
| 09:43.30 | Ronin | Zoo-: use whichever pastebin site you like, except for the us one which has been brutal lately |
| 09:43.43 | hrw | cu |
| 09:43.46 | *** part/#debian hrw (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) |
| 09:43.56 | Zoo- | logging out here |
| 09:44.13 | Zoo- | ? |
| 09:44.19 | Zoo- | whats been happenin |
| 09:44.27 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 09:44.38 | liable | eh? |
| 09:45.04 | DavidProck1981 | !paste |
| 09:45.04 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 09:45.08 | *** join/#debian xored (n=6931maYe@i3ED6C3A0.versanet.de) |
| 09:45.16 | Supaplex | [empty paste] |
| 09:45.20 | Supaplex | oops. my bad. ;) |
| 09:45.37 | Zoo- | okay post that once I come on , with my debian system, on my acer |
| 09:45.41 | *** join/#debian xored (n=6931maYe@i3ED6C3A0.versanet.de) |
| 09:45.46 | Zoo- | but its all good, I can just look over and copy it |
| 09:45.51 | DavidProck1981 | hay the paste links dont qwork |
| 09:45.59 | *** part/#debian Zoo- (n=opera@adsl-75-23-90-32.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:45.59 | jaski | 'bye for now |
| 09:46.26 | *** join/#debian eps (n=eps@220-253-91-166.QLD.netspace.net.au) |
| 09:46.28 | DavidProck1981 | any one know a working paste link |
| 09:46.40 | liable | pastebin.ca |
| 09:46.52 | Enverex | Does anyone know of a Debian ISO mirror? |
| 09:46.58 | Ronin | Enverex: www.debian.org |
| 09:47.20 | Enverex | Ronin, That has a link to one file sever which gives 503 errors |
| 09:47.56 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (n=hiddy@2001:688:c33:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 09:48.14 | Enverex | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ goes to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ which goes to http://laotzu.acc.umu.se which gives a 503 Service Unavailable |
| 09:48.30 | streuner | !d-i Enverex |
| 09:48.31 | dpkg | Enverex, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:48.45 | liable | that needs to be changed |
| 09:48.49 | Ronin | works fine here Enverex |
| 09:48.50 | Appiah | cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 09:48.56 | Ronin | although i didn't use that mirror |
| 09:49.12 | Enverex | Ronin, That's the only mirror it gives me, the same one every time |
| 09:49.19 | Appiah | and http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 09:49.23 | Appiah | full of mirrors |
| 09:49.25 | streuner | liable: feel free :-) |
| 09:49.37 | liable | streuner: i am gonna, just checking links |
| 09:49.39 | *** join/#debian JoachimLM (n=Jojosan@chez.desoutter.org) |
| 09:49.48 | Enverex | hrm, no UK mirrors |
| 09:50.00 | streuner | liable: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 09:50.10 | Enverex | Appiah, Those worked, thanks |
| 09:50.11 | *** join/#debian leehambley (n=leehambl@86.54.38.4) |
| 09:50.21 | Appiah | np |
| 09:50.34 | *** join/#debian turtle5001 (i=turtle@218-168-71-5.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 09:50.42 | leehambley | greetz |
| 09:50.53 | leehambley | anyone familiar with complex web services ? |
| 09:51.04 | streuner | liable: its the best link i found, the other from d.o points you to the directory which is nasty, because the netinstall is below... |
| 09:51.20 | liable | dpkg: d-i=~ s/http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - |
| 09:51.25 | DavidProck1981 | lere is one of the logs http://pastebin.ca/447791 |
| 09:51.29 | liable | stupid paste |
| 09:52.04 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 09:53.23 | streuner | liable: the bot doesn't respond, because d-i factoid doesn't exist |
| 09:53.35 | *** join/#debian Bastian__ (n=surgeon@p508A6BB9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:54.27 | *** part/#debian Super_Cat_Frog_ (n=bob@hostgw.host-82-138-193-80.telecomplete.net) |
| 09:54.36 | *** join/#debian |chiz| (n=chisholm@hlfxns0148w-142167241070.ns.aliant.net) |
| 09:54.44 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 09:55.42 | DavidProck1981 | can someone help me get my video card working properly http://pastebin.ca/447791 |
| 09:55.49 | itguru | morning everyone :) |
| 09:56.00 | streuner | dpkg, cmd: d-i (.*?) =~ s/sarge/stable/ |
| 09:56.01 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 09:56.05 | *** join/#debian gonzaloaf_laptop (n=gonzaloa@190.40.174.7) |
| 09:56.34 | itguru | I just installed linux-source-2.6.18 using apt-get, so that vmware-server can install, but it still complains it can't find the sources |
| 09:57.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Hello, I use sshMenu gnome applet and today I receive a message that it couldnt load, any body having the same problem? or any clue? |
| 09:58.00 | *** join/#debian mrex (n=lappy@dsl-243-42-54.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 09:58.20 | streuner | dpkg, cmd: d-i (.*?) =~ s/3.1r3/4.0r0/ |
| 09:58.20 | dpkg | streuner: that doesn't contain '3.1r3' |
| 09:59.18 | cydork | streuner: bahh i changed it again :P |
| 10:00.28 | *** join/#debian rhalff_ (n=rob@a80-127-220-207.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:00.28 | cydork | streuner: let me fix it.. |
| 10:00.29 | streuner | cydork: yes, i saw it, np. |
| 10:00.29 | streuner | ok |
| 10:00.29 | DavidProck1981 | god damn, i go off and buy a nvidia card to replace my ati card, and the nvidia card is puting me in more of a jam than the ati card did !?!?!?!? |
| 10:00.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is there a console program that unpacks the most formats? like zip, tar, arj, tar.gz, rar.. |
| 10:00.29 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Shame they don't sell "clues" with the cards |
| 10:00.30 | Supaplex | I'll take an intel card. |
| 10:00.31 | liable | i was wondering who else was fucking with it! |
| 10:00.41 | cydork | heh ok it's fixed :P |
| 10:00.43 | DavidProck1981 | who can and will help me |
| 10:00.54 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Ok, first, you're using the WRONG DRIVER |
| 10:00.57 | streuner | !d-i foo |
| 10:00.57 | dpkg | foo, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:01.03 | Enverex | I said "nvidia" you're using "nv" |
| 10:01.11 | streuner | cydork: very good |
| 10:01.23 | DavidProck1981 | i did use nvidia and then im just fucked |
| 10:01.25 | liable | is there even new ones out? |
| 10:01.41 | DavidProck1981 | im useing nv now so i can talk to u guys |
| 10:01.41 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, If you're not gonna try and help yourself then I'm not gonna help you |
| 10:01.54 | streuner | liable: they prolly working on new ones, but i don't feel to test it yet (download an iso) |
| 10:02.02 | DavidProck1981 | ive tried installing like 5 different ways !!! |
| 10:02.03 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Ok, so pastebin the Xorg.1.log file instead |
| 10:02.15 | DavidProck1981 | http://pastebin.ca/447791 |
| 10:02.34 | streuner | liable: sooner or later they should be on that page again |
| 10:02.45 | liable | not for a while yet i would imagine |
| 10:03.01 | itguru | I got the source for the headers of my running kernel, how do I set up a link, so that programs looking for it, can always find it @ /usr/src/linux/include instead of /usr/src/linux-2.6.x/include |
| 10:03.05 | cydork | liable: true, but will be there eventually :) |
| 10:03.28 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, What the hell is your graphics card? |
| 10:04.02 | DavidProck1981 | its uses an AGP slot, it is a GeForce 7600 GS |
| 10:04.04 | itguru | would it be ln /targetdirectory /sourcedirectory ? |
| 10:04.21 | *** part/#debian mrex (n=lappy@dsl-243-42-54.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 10:04.23 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, That log has the nv driver too, we need a log from the "nvidia" driver |
| 10:04.32 | *** join/#debian Sambler (n=OKASO@182.Red-80-32-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:04.46 | *** join/#debian jarrett (n=jarrett@c-71-226-49-67.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 10:05.02 | DavidProck1981 | ? |
| 10:05.35 | *** part/#debian jarrett (n=jarrett@c-71-226-49-67.hsd1.az.comcast.net) |
| 10:05.49 | *** join/#debian Nikolay (n=nik@82-208-101-13.dialup.mts-nn.ru) |
| 10:05.49 | *** join/#debian Zoo_ (n=zoo@adsl-75-23-90-32.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:06.05 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, What exactly does "?" mean? |
| 10:06.15 | DavidProck1981 | tell me what to do |
| 10:06.39 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Ever considered Ubuntu? |
| 10:06.47 | DavidProck1981 | i hate it |
| 10:07.06 | Zoo_ | back |
| 10:07.08 | Enverex | Why? |
| 10:07.26 | Zoo_ | Enverex: , its okay, I willl help him |
| 10:07.37 | streuner | Enverex: keep the convo On-Topic, please. |
| 10:07.45 | DavidProck1981 | dont remember , its been a while, but i remember it makeing me feal totaly out of place |
| 10:07.54 | Enverex | streuner, It was, it was on the topic of getting his machine working, heh |
| 10:08.08 | *** join/#debian Yggdrasil (n=Son_Of_O@c-68-35-117-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 10:08.12 | *** join/#debian massctrl (n=mlkj@186.102-246-81.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:08.15 | streuner | Enverex: we support Debian here, not any other debian based distro |
| 10:08.40 | Enverex | streuner, I know, if he said "yes, I'll go use that" I would have sent him to the right channel |
| 10:08.41 | Yggdrasil | hello can somone help me compile a new kernel. i used to use fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.20070418.1.kernel-image but it seems to be acting funny |
| 10:08.59 | massctrl | anyone knows in Debian/xen how domU are started at boot time? I see no etc/xen/auto folder and my domU is started at boot time,... |
| 10:09.39 | Enverex | This is odd, I'm trying to remove some stuff on a drive after booting from the Debian disc but when I try and mount the drive (via "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/root" I get "blah blah blah failed: Invalid Argument". |
| 10:10.17 | streuner | DavidProck1981: which version of nvidia-glx supports your videocard? |
| 10:10.31 | Enverex | streuner, His is supported by any of the newer ones |
| 10:10.40 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell, get the one off hte sight? |
| 10:10.59 | streuner | DavidProck1981: just run 'lspic -v | grep -i vga' |
| 10:11.08 | Zoo_ | http://pastebin.ca/447800 |
| 10:11.10 | streuner | and tell us the output of What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 10:12.09 | DavidProck1981 | do u mean to say "lspci -v | grep -i vga" |
| 10:12.15 | streuner | DavidProck1981: just take a look into /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.gz or such - its described there which videocards are supported |
| 10:12.21 | streuner | yes, in a shell |
| 10:12.31 | Zoo_ | yes thats what he means |
| 10:12.48 | DavidProck1981 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
| 10:12.53 | Enverex | streuner, He's using a 7600GS identified as "PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation unknown chipset (0x02e1) rev 162, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, 0xc0000000/28, 0xfc000000/24, BIOS @ 0xfe9e0000/17" |
| 10:12.55 | Zoo_ | for example.. zoo@aspire-3610:~$ lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 10:13.03 | *** join/#debian Inf3rn0 (n=Inf3rn0@ti521110a080-2914.bb.online.no) |
| 10:13.19 | Zoo_ | he just forgot to press shift, when he issued the qoutation key |
| 10:13.38 | Inf3rn0 | Is it possbile to create a cutom login Script that uses /etc/passwd in Perl and make it run instead of /bin/login ? |
| 10:13.39 | Zoo_ | quotation* |
| 10:13.52 | streuner | knusper:/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx# zgrep 7600 README.txt.gz |
| 10:14.00 | Zoo_ | DavidProck1981: |
| 10:14.01 | streuner | GeForce 7600 GS 0x02E1 |
| 10:14.29 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me compile a kernel, im getting this wierd error, exec debian/rules APPEND_TO_VERSION=.20070418.1.kernel-image |
| 10:14.29 | Yggdrasil | nothing to be done. |
| 10:14.29 | streuner | that's from unstable... |
| 10:14.35 | Zoo_ | open terminal, type ... :~$ cat /proc/version |
| 10:14.41 | Zoo_ | I"m curious to what you are running |
| 10:14.59 | streuner | DavidProck1981: just /msg dpkg simple sid backport , in case you need a newer version |
| 10:15.09 | DavidProck1981 | "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" = "ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 10:15.30 | *** join/#debian rambo3 (n=stone123@c-b7f871d5.027-6-6b73641.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 10:15.55 | Zoo_ | did you visit the pastebin I made available for you |
| 10:16.17 | DavidProck1981 | who |
| 10:16.18 | *** join/#debian appelza (n=pieter@dsl-243-33-203.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 10:16.38 | appelza | hi, how do I add something to boot? in gentoo it's rc-update add sshd default (for example) |
| 10:16.49 | Zoo_ | you |
| 10:16.52 | petemc | appelza: update-rc.d |
| 10:16.55 | DavidProck1981 | just now |
| 10:16.55 | petemc | is one way.. |
| 10:17.00 | appelza | thanks |
| 10:17.01 | *** join/#debian Improved (i=Improved@hst-252-179.splius.lt) |
| 10:17.04 | Zoo_ | and btw.. lets just go ahead and add you as a sudoer |
| 10:17.06 | DavidProck1981 | did not know that was for me |
| 10:17.20 | Improved | Who could help me a little ? |
| 10:17.22 | Zoo_ | open a terminal, and type.. nano /etc/sudoers |
| 10:17.26 | liable | appelza: what exactly do you want to add? |
| 10:17.27 | azeem | Improved: just ask your question |
| 10:17.29 | Zoo_ | well, su first :) |
| 10:17.46 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean add me as a sudoer |
| 10:17.48 | liable | visudo |
| 10:17.50 | Improved | Azeem, i'v downloaded DVD iso *.rar file of debian linux 4.0 |
| 10:17.56 | Improved | And i want to install it to DVD now |
| 10:18.09 | liable | eww, a rar file od ebian?? |
| 10:18.15 | liable | thats just wrong |
| 10:18.15 | Zoo_ | I'll give you an example of how I edited mine |
| 10:18.15 | Improved | I "unzip'ed" it - and what -> I should add files like data ? |
| 10:18.18 | Improved | Or something else ? |
| 10:18.33 | appelza | its fine |
| 10:18.36 | appelza | figured it out |
| 10:18.43 | DavidProck1981 | ok what the hell is nano /etc/sudoers |
| 10:18.49 | appelza | one more thing, which package provides nrpe ? |
| 10:19.02 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 10:19.06 | liable | appelza: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:19.08 | azeem | appelza: packages.debian.org has a search facility for this at the bottm |
| 10:19.10 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 10:19.14 | Yggdrasil | davidprock just lets you add users to the sudo list |
| 10:19.36 | appelza | thanks |
| 10:19.36 | azeem | why do guys confuse DavidProck1981 with stuff like sudo? |
| 10:19.54 | liable | nfc |
| 10:20.01 | Zoo_ | http://pastebin.ca/447820 |
| 10:20.25 | Zoo_ | I'm not confusing him |
| 10:20.29 | Yggdrasil | hehe |
| 10:20.54 | Zoo_ | mr Enverex wants to jump the gun and ask suggest he try ubuntu, so blah blah |
| 10:21.03 | liable | Zoo_: how is adding him to sudoers helping hin though? |
| 10:21.10 | Zoo_ | David |
| 10:21.11 | *** join/#debian Oe_eden (n=no@ipass.solcon.nl) |
| 10:21.14 | Zoo_ | do you want to talk on gaim or something |
| 10:21.35 | DavidProck1981 | i use gaim |
| 10:21.40 | Zoo_ | or ya know what, you'll just find yourself some nice help here, with these.. nice cats ;-) |
| 10:21.54 | Zoo_ | I have alot to do, and some food to fix.. long nite at work etc |
| 10:22.00 | Zoo_ | and alot of systems to do , today.. |
| 10:22.03 | DavidProck1981 | how do i use nano to save |
| 10:22.11 | Yggdrasil | ctrl x |
| 10:22.12 | Zoo_ | ctrl + x |
| 10:22.14 | pythonic | DavidProck1981: ctrl-o |
| 10:22.19 | DavidProck1981 | i made hte proper adjustment |
| 10:22.21 | Enverex | Zoo_, pfft |
| 10:22.23 | Zoo_ | ah don't even tell him you cats |
| 10:22.26 | azeem | Improved: download an .iso from a mirror as indicated on cdimage.debian.org |
| 10:22.28 | Zoo_ | now ya want to help |
| 10:22.29 | Zoo_ | blah blah |
| 10:22.30 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 10:22.40 | Zoo_ | got stuff to do :) |
| 10:22.53 | Improved | azeem, i'v downloaded same sh@t from debian.org -> 4.0 DVD iso - But it was on .RAR |
| 10:22.54 | Zoo_ | XGL to configure with debian etch |
| 10:22.57 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me out with compiling a kernel |
| 10:23.00 | Improved | So i unziped it |
| 10:23.01 | Zoo_ | thank ya very much |
| 10:23.05 | Oe_eden | anybody know what I can do to make my ncurses menus prettier (like mc/sysvconfig/make menuconfig) |
| 10:23.05 | azeem | Improved: we don't provide .rar |
| 10:23.06 | Yggdrasil | improved you need to get the iso file |
| 10:23.06 | Zoo_ | lol ^_^ |
| 10:23.16 | Improved | azeem i think you don't get it |
| 10:23.16 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@cm-1028.europronet.ba) |
| 10:23.18 | Oe_eden | the edges are all weird signs like: ââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 10:23.21 | Zoo_ | azeem, you'll get use to him and others :) |
| 10:23.29 | *** join/#debian Openix (n=theballz@60-234-247-77.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 10:23.30 | Zoo_ | thats why I hardly come around in the years :) |
| 10:23.32 | byon | 18:10:52 up 234 days, 11:10, 4 users, load average: 0.55, 0.52, 0.42 |
| 10:23.38 | Yggdrasil | sick |
| 10:23.39 | Zoo_ | once ever eclipse :) |
| 10:23.43 | azeem | Improved: do you still have the URL you downloaded from? |
| 10:23.48 | Improved | Yep |
| 10:23.50 | Zoo_ | syke, once every new build :P |
| 10:23.51 | azeem | paste it |
| 10:23.55 | Improved | Sec |
| 10:24.00 | Zoo_ | =D |
| 10:24.01 | rambo3 | äååå |
| 10:24.18 | *** join/#debian iOops (n=iOops@86.72.63.175) |
| 10:24.21 | Improved | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ - debian - first DVD |
| 10:24.22 | *** join/#debian hackmiker (i=misu@91.192.140.44) |
| 10:24.23 | Zoo_ | if they got some money in pay pal, to go out and enjoy themselves with whatever they wanted to do |
| 10:24.25 | Zoo_ | they would feel good |
| 10:24.31 | Zoo_ | they need to get out of the house david |
| 10:24.44 | Zoo_ | or apt, ;-) or w/e |
| 10:24.44 | Improved | I'v downloaded it - and it was in *.RAR |
| 10:24.46 | azeem | Improved: that gets me an .iso file, not a .rar |
| 10:24.56 | DavidProck1981 | zoo now what do i do |
| 10:25.01 | azeem | Improved: can you try again? |
| 10:25.06 | Zoo_ | azeem.. do you know of good ways of configuring XGL + Compiz in debian |
| 10:25.14 | Improved | Dude, i already downloaded it... its 4.5GB |
| 10:25.17 | azeem | Improved: maybe your rar app on Windows is associated with .iso files |
| 10:25.18 | DavidProck1981 | i use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 10:25.25 | rambo3 | Zoo_, fallow the beryl wiki |
| 10:25.30 | azeem | Improved: what's the filename on the hard disk? |
| 10:25.39 | Oe_eden | dont worry figured it out already -> charset |
| 10:25.40 | Zoo_ | just asking.. just asking. before I do altering, from the configuration and packages i took from my mandriva 2007 powerpack |
| 10:25.42 | *** join/#debian Scurz_ (n=sfantar@unaffiliated/Scurz) |
| 10:25.46 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 10:25.52 | azeem | Zoo_: it's not supported |
| 10:25.53 | Zoo_ | I setup beryl before.. not focused on beryl |
| 10:25.55 | Improved | I'v fcked up a lil :) debian-40r0-i386-DVD-1.iso - But its an .RAR image ;) |
| 10:25.57 | Improved | So nvm... |
| 10:26.07 | Improved | But how i BURN it to DVD now ? |
| 10:26.08 | azeem | Improved: just burn that .iso |
| 10:26.15 | Zoo_ | yea. burn it with a good fire |
| 10:26.16 | Zoo_ | :D |
| 10:26.19 | Improved | just press "add data files" ? |
| 10:26.20 | azeem | burn apps usually can burn .isos directly |
| 10:26.22 | Zoo_ | j/k ^_^ |
| 10:26.28 | Yggdrasil | boy its a real free for all in here tonight |
| 10:26.34 | azeem | Zoo_: try to be less noise and more signal, please |
| 10:26.35 | petemc | Improved: you mean its got a rar icon? thats not important, burn it as normal |
| 10:26.43 | Improved | Yep :p |
| 10:26.46 | Zoo_ | laser the sucker on a removeable cd :P |
| 10:26.56 | Improved | How i said, i'v fcked up :) But that doesn't matter now |
| 10:26.59 | massctrl | is there something in debian that sends mails when there are security updates to be installed? |
| 10:27.03 | *** join/#debian yeager_ (n=yeager@81-226-245-220-no46.business.telia.com) |
| 10:27.03 | petemc | Improved: winrar associates itself with iso files |
| 10:27.04 | azeem | Improved: no worry |
| 10:27.08 | *** join/#debian yeager__ (n=yeager@81-226-245-220-no46.business.telia.com) |
| 10:27.27 | Improved | Ah, whatever, ill try many different install ways ;) dvd-rw |
| 10:27.28 | azeem | massctrl: apt-cron maybe |
| 10:27.36 | Zoo_ | rambo3: , theres a deal with beryl + XGL? |
| 10:27.43 | Improved | Now last question -> How to create SWAP partition ? |
| 10:27.51 | azeem | Improved: the installer will do it for you |
| 10:27.56 | Improved | Could i do that during bios instalation ? -> WHen ill finish format C ? |
| 10:27.59 | azeem | or rather, you can do it through the installer |
| 10:28.25 | Improved | Ah, ok, so i need only to burn DVD and boot it ? |
| 10:28.26 | Improved | :) |
| 10:28.34 | Zoo_ | found someting I think.. :S |
| 10:28.54 | rambo3 | mkswap ? |
| 10:29.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is there a console program that packs/unpacks the most formats? like zip, tar, arj, tar.gz, rar.. |
| 10:29.27 | Zoo_ | david, I will help you get your hardware configured, I promise u |
| 10:29.48 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: probably not |
| 10:29.56 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: mc can handle them, probably |
| 10:29.58 | Zoo_ | i enjoy helping people and sharing information, thats why I joined Robert MOrris, to become an IT professional, and also with the computer science, and the whole geekhood... |
| 10:30.31 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@i59F73C03.versanet.de) |
| 10:30.35 | azeem | Zoo_: if you want to talk a bit about your life, please do so in #debian-offtopic |
| 10:30.39 | *** join/#debian fluxdude3 (n=fluxdude@ftp.phgroup.com) |
| 10:30.40 | Improved | its obvious, english is not your main country :p |
| 10:30.45 | Improved | pfu |
| 10:30.46 | Zoo_ | question.. anyone out there familar with tao-opengl or SDL.NET |
| 10:30.48 | Improved | language |
| 10:30.48 | Improved | :D |
| 10:31.44 | *** join/#debian si0ux (n=si0ux@carol-200-225-216-097.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) |
| 10:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 10:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 10:33.20 | Yggdrasil | can somone help me compile a kernel, im getting this wierd error, exec debian/rules APPEND_TO_VERSION=.20070418.1.kernel-image |
| 10:34.26 | Yggdrasil | uh nothing to be done |
| 10:34.44 | azeem | Yggdrasil: you didn't specifiy a debian/rules target to be made |
| 10:34.53 | azeem | just a variable (APPEND_TO_VERSION) |
| 10:34.58 | Zoo_ | david.. also the best thing for you. is to get yourself comfortable with the command line, and being outside of X if you have to perform system wide task, or administration, or your X configuration gets messed up, that way you know how to work with it, I'm out of here bud |
| 10:34.59 | Yggdrasil | im using this cmd .. how i always use to do it |
| 10:35.00 | Yggdrasil | oh |
| 10:35.04 | Yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.35 | lexoplex | I want to install ndiswrapper as a kernel module, from ndiswrapper-source. Do I have to build a kernel from source for that? |
| 10:35.44 | Yggdrasil | oh i see its |
| 10:35.57 | azeem | lexoplex: install module-assistant and see whether ndiswrapper is availabel |
| 10:36.04 | Yggdrasil | azeem i got it thanks |
| 10:36.13 | azeem | np |
| 10:36.30 | Improved | azeem, i get on NERO to burn like: Data Bootable Disc - Is it right ? |
| 10:36.38 | appelza | if I want to use NFS, do I just install nfs-common ? |
| 10:36.50 | azeem | Improved: sounds right, but I don't know about Windows burn programs |
| 10:37.00 | *** part/#debian Yggdrasil (n=Son_Of_O@c-68-35-117-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 10:37.49 | Zoo_ | david.. go ahead, and let me know how to contact you, so I can help you further, I"m not going to give out advice here, bud |
| 10:38.08 | *** join/#debian csd_ (i=csd@p54866574.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:38.20 | Zoo_ | don't want to cause conflicts of interest, or how people feel thats not the right way and this and that.. nothing to prove, |
| 10:38.33 | Zoo_ | up to you, I"m leaving in a few mins.. |
| 10:39.12 | Zoo_ | okay, later everyone, and have a great year |
| 10:39.19 | lexoplex | azeem: thanks, module-assistant wants to install more packages, I need net access for the machine in question, BBL |
| 10:39.23 | Oe_eden | is it better to use distro names like 'etch' 'sarge' in sources.list instead of stable/unstable since my stable now has become oldstable |
| 10:39.46 | Improved | azeem, i'v pressed DVD image boostable DISC - But then i added that ISO file - Now installation asks me to SHOW image file ? |
| 10:39.48 | Improved | WtF? |
| 10:39.49 | Improved | :p |
| 10:40.00 | Zoo_ | etch is just a codename for the system, |
| 10:40.02 | Improved | (Save Image File) |
| 10:40.08 | *** join/#debian jsegura (n=jsegura@unaffiliated/jsegura) |
| 10:40.26 | Oe_eden | i know but stable pointed to sarge first but now it points to etch |
| 10:40.45 | Zoo_ | Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 |
| 10:40.47 | Zoo_ | = etch |
| 10:40.48 | *** part/#debian byon (n=blazingb@bb121-7-32-215.singnet.com.sg) |
| 10:40.48 | *** join/#debian usn_work (n=usn@p54932A9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:41.03 | Zoo_ | later all :) |
| 10:41.13 | Zoo_ | and God bless ya.. |
| 10:41.26 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@62.162.164.23) |
| 10:41.35 | ma3x | hello, can anybody help me with my video problem? |
| 10:41.50 | *** join/#debian babilen (n=babilen@dyn176.cl.uni-heidelberg.de) |
| 10:41.54 | ma3x | when I run glxgears or any application that requires 3d, the picture gets crazy |
| 10:41.54 | Oe_eden | see what I mean; who says that updating a sarge (oldstable) to etch (stable) wont break my system |
| 10:41.58 | ma3x | I see those fuzzy lines everywhere |
| 10:42.16 | ma3x | it used to be fine |
| 10:42.36 | ma3x | but I upgraded ram (different memory) recently and I dont know if this could be the cause of it |
| 10:42.41 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 10:42.42 | ma3x | note: 64bit system |
| 10:43.08 | ma3x | everybody away? |
| 10:43.26 | Zoo_ | I am now =D |
| 10:43.46 | *** join/#debian Oladx (n=a@125.76.215.83) |
| 10:43.53 | babilen | hi there.. |
| 10:43.58 | babilen | i can't install fvwm... |
| 10:44.01 | *** part/#debian Zoo_ (n=zoo@adsl-75-23-90-32.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:44.12 | babilen | aptitude output is on : http://rafb.net/p/Hrzy3C47.html |
| 10:44.37 | babilen | aptitude is complaining, that it can't find a "candidate version", what is wrong here? |
| 10:45.08 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c211-28-150-227.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 10:45.16 | babilen | all this is on sarge.... (yes i have sarge in sources.list, not stable) |
| 10:47.33 | bzed | babilen: there's no package called fvwm2 |
| 10:47.59 | bzed | babilen: install fvwm instead, I think it should contain a fvwm version 2 on sarge, too |
| 10:48.41 | babilen | bzed: ok, it is the same for package "fvwm" |
| 10:49.32 | *** join/#debian praecox (i=mati73@borowiak.pl) |
| 10:49.40 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 10:49.52 | praecox | hello guys |
| 10:49.56 | indraveni | hi, |
| 10:49.57 | bzed | babilen: put your /etc/apt/sources.list into a pastebin please |
| 10:49.59 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 10:50.14 | praecox | is it or might be unsecure to set umask 002 for Apache user? |
| 10:50.14 | *** join/#debian birdmon (n=ariel@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net) |
| 10:50.36 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 10:50.49 | praecox | we use Smarty templates on the server and want to create template files with apache's g+w permission. |
| 10:50.59 | babilen | bzed: http://rafb.net/p/guoW8N38.html |
| 10:51.01 | indraveni | I created one gnome theme debian package and now I am embedding that theme into my own debian based distribution. The theme is installed well, but I am not able to make this new theme as default theme after instalation of my distro |
| 10:51.25 | indraveni | how can I make my new theme as default theme once I install my Linux |
| 10:51.31 | Dewi | praecox: I've wondered the same thing. It's probably better for you to set the umask in your script application |
| 10:51.52 | Dewi | praecox: is this using PHP? |
| 10:51.59 | praecox | Dewi, yes. |
| 10:52.00 | *** join/#debian busfahrer (n=busfahre@p57b5552e.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:52.04 | *** join/#debian Mutiny- (n=pppp@ip68-107-111-251.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 10:52.10 | praecox | Dewi, it's web application based on PHP and Smarty. |
| 10:52.14 | Mutiny- | how do i install firefox on etch without this iceweasel crap? |
| 10:52.24 | *** join/#debian DLange (n=dlange@p57A315AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:52.43 | Dewi | praecox: if it's well-designed and you are familiar with it, set the umask using the PHP umask() function before each directory/file creation |
| 10:52.44 | praecox | Dewi, I need this g+w so two system users can manually delete template files, I'll simply add them to Apache group. |
| 10:53.27 | Dewi | praecox: to delete files you need write on the parent directory, so if that is constant you can just set g+w on the directory yourself |
| 10:53.35 | Dewi | praecox: you don't need +w on a file to delete it |
| 10:53.52 | *** join/#debian justinhe (n=justinhe@58.211.173.157) |
| 10:54.04 | Pupeno | In Ubuntu there's an emacs-snapshot package, I can't find it in Debian anywhere. Was it totally developed in Ubuntu (I doubt it) or maybe on some alternate project Debian-related? (I want to build it for and run it on Etch) |
| 10:54.33 | *** join/#debian perlmonkey (n=perlmonk@82-37-57-50.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 10:54.39 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 10:54.40 | justinhe | hi , i am asking a question that has nothing to do with debian or linux , could anybody tell me where can i find a room to practice english ? |
| 10:55.05 | justinhe | thank you |
| 10:55.07 | perlmonkey | can anyone tell me how to check what my printer dev is? I'm seeing a lot of devices in /dev and not sure which is the proper one? |
| 10:55.09 | *** join/#debian Shisui (i=chris@AAmiens-152-1-47-61.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:55.23 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 10:55.54 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 10:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 789] by debhelper |
| 10:56.08 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 10:56.24 | *** part/#debian Mutiny- (n=pppp@ip68-107-111-251.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 10:56.30 | praecox | Dewi, unfortunately it's not constant.. |
| 10:56.52 | praecox | Dewi, both cached and compiled templates' folder structure dynamically changes. |
| 10:57.04 | perlmonkey | justinhe you can practice with me |
| 10:57.23 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 10:57.38 | Dewi | praecox: able to set umask to 2 in PHP code before each directory creation? |
| 10:57.52 | *** join/#debian jstevens (n=jstevens@c-24-16-40-146.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 10:58.03 | praecox | Dewi, I really do not want to edit Smarty code itself. |
| 10:58.05 | perlmonkey | justinhe: I am a english monkey from UK |
| 10:58.11 | praecox | Dewi, and Smarty does create folders. |
| 10:58.12 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (n=streuner@p54A5D43B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:58.30 | Dewi | praecox: as long as some of your code runs before smarty, you could set a umask |
| 10:58.42 | praecox | Dewi, we use its code in several applications based on one framework and changing external code isn't recommended. |
| 10:59.02 | justinhe | hi perlmonkey ,shall we open a new window ?or we will be baned out of hear |
| 10:59.02 | Dewi | praecox: other than that... you could look at running PHP using apache suexec cgi, then it's just a normal process and you could probably shoehorn a umask change in there |
| 10:59.15 | perlmonkey | i dont think we will be banned lets start |
| 11:00.16 | justinhe | oh yeah ? where are you from ? the most big problem is oral english |
| 11:00.26 | praecox | Dewi, well, there's a code before smarty but in this case I'd need to add umask everywhere before Smarty initialization. |
| 11:01.12 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 11:01.31 | *** join/#debian majesty89_ (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 11:02.11 | *** join/#debian HOWLINGMAD (n=me@84.45.113.4) |
| 11:02.25 | perlmonkey | i dont recognise anyone in here today, where are all the regulars |
| 11:02.27 | *** join/#debian majesty89_ (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 11:03.12 | HOWLINGMAD | anybody know wayto find out if ip_forward is compiled into a kernel etch ? |
| 11:03.36 | Eclipser | it's a module |
| 11:03.44 | Eclipser | (iirc) |
| 11:03.56 | Dewi | praecox: a lot of PHP apps have a config file or init file that always runs first, and you could put a umask setting right at the top |
| 11:04.06 | *** join/#debian kroddn (n=kroddn@port-213-009-033-002.adsl.ncore.de) |
| 11:04.11 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 11:04.18 | Dewi | praecox: you can even force this via an apache setting |
| 11:04.54 | streuner_ | HOWLINGMAD: grep ip_forward /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 11:04.57 | HOWLINGMAD | im not using stand kernel |
| 11:05.09 | *** join/#debian spikeb (i=spikeb@71-83-47-147.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) |
| 11:05.18 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:05.23 | streuner_ | well, check your config (kernel) then |
| 11:05.35 | streuner_ | dpkg, hi |
| 11:05.48 | perlmonkey | streuner_ hi, at least you are here |
| 11:05.52 | dpkg | what's up, streuner_ |
| 11:05.56 | justinhe | hey boys and girls(?) ,i prefer AMD |
| 11:06.00 | justinhe | whats your opinion |
| 11:06.08 | Dewi | praecox: for example the standard apache config for a PHP app I maintain has this: php_admin_value auto_prepend_file "${pathwebroot}/config/config.inc" |
| 11:06.22 | justinhe | dpkg |
| 11:06.33 | Dewi | praecox: so that file always runs before any other php script in the site |
| 11:06.48 | *** join/#debian solar_sea (n=solar@85.95.88.19) |
| 11:06.52 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 11:07.15 | rambo3 | Why dont you just ask in #PHP |
| 11:07.31 | perlmonkey | i prefer perl to php |
| 11:07.44 | Dewi | rambo3: are you talking to me? |
| 11:07.53 | Dewi | rambo3: it's a PHP answer, not a PHP question |
| 11:08.01 | rambo3 | not you praecox |
| 11:08.01 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 11:08.24 | perlmonkey | you guys are funny |
| 11:08.44 | *** join/#debian jlaw (n=jlaw@p54892ba4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:09.06 | wintix | heh |
| 11:09.15 | *** join/#debian ggg (n=mark@202.164.131.147) |
| 11:09.15 | perlmonkey | hi wintix |
| 11:09.17 | ootput | i can tell you're lying |
| 11:09.20 | ootput | coz when you're replying |
| 11:09.33 | ootput | stutter |
| 11:09.37 | perlmonkey | wtf? |
| 11:09.46 | ootput | obviously in the wrong window! |
| 11:09.53 | perlmonkey | obviously |
| 11:09.54 | praecox | Dewi, but this slowes things down, it loads another file before every request. doesn't make a lot of sense. |
| 11:09.54 | ootput | i need a better irssi theme :/ |
| 11:09.56 | wintix | hi perlmonkey. just had lunch. now it's time to help someone ;) |
| 11:10.10 | perlmonkey | cool, thats what we need more helpers |
| 11:10.28 | perlmonkey | my Epson printer is bizarre |
| 11:10.44 | wintix | printers are bizarre, if they don't support post script.. |
| 11:10.45 | Dewi | praecox: now you're just being silly. PHP loads dozens or even hundreds of files every time you hit it. |
| 11:11.04 | Dewi | praecox: this one will be a whole 80 bytes long; it will probably stay in cache pretty easily |
| 11:11.05 | rambo3 | ootput, : cat /dev/random && irssi |
| 11:11.13 | perlmonkey | earlier it started printing crappy print (just on text, like a shadow effect above the text) and after printing a test page in CUPS the problem seems to have fixed itself after 2 days |
| 11:11.15 | rambo3 | its the theme of the themes |
| 11:11.16 | perlmonkey | odd |
| 11:11.23 | wintix | rambo3: lol |
| 11:11.28 | *** join/#debian jso (n=jso@151.159.10.7) |
| 11:11.39 | *** join/#debian Naz (n=Nazxul@c-75-70-5-83.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 11:11.50 | perlmonkey | wintix: are you in UK? |
| 11:11.51 | *** join/#debian sod (n=john@host81-132-105-6.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:11.59 | wintix | perlmonkey: germany |
| 11:12.06 | perlmonkey | alles klar |
| 11:12.08 | ootput | have any of you managed to get cinelerra running on etch? |
| 11:12.18 | ootput | if so, which installation method did that require? |
| 11:12.23 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 11:12.39 | azeem | Improved: I don't understand what you mean with "added that ISO file" |
| 11:12.41 | wintix | :), perlmonkey |
| 11:12.54 | *** join/#debian ebbs (n=Ebbsaaa@p54AD6D43.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:13.21 | *** join/#debian Chris-NB (n=chris@ng1.kurtkrenn.com) |
| 11:13.34 | perlmonkey | wintix: aren't you a bit earlier for Lunch in Deutschland |
| 11:13.42 | perlmonkey | *early |
| 11:14.05 | wintix | perlmonkey: let's continue that in #debian-offtopic |
| 11:14.14 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:15.30 | ebbs | hi, can I umount one device (mounted in /mnt) and mount another device to /mnt in one command... so with the remount option? |
| 11:16.13 | fengor | umount /mnt && mount device /mnt |
| 11:16.14 | fengor | ? |
| 11:16.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | : |
| 11:16.50 | ebbs | fengor, ok its not the /mnt dir, but the root die (/) |
| 11:16.53 | *** join/#debian xmai (i=io@a81-197-98-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 11:16.55 | ebbs | dir |
| 11:17.34 | *** join/#debian brussel_ (n=brussel@cpe-72-130-172-213.san.res.rr.com) |
| 11:17.39 | ebbs | that makes it more difficult, because after unmounting the device there is no mount anymore... |
| 11:17.53 | ebbs | no mount binary... |
| 11:18.21 | *** join/#debian justinhe_ (n=justinhe@121.227.100.187) |
| 11:18.27 | fengor | ebbs: then why did you ask about /mnt? |
| 11:18.37 | petemc | ebbs: you would be better using a boot disk |
| 11:18.49 | ebbs | to avoid discussions, why im doing this :-) |
| 11:18.50 | fengor | unmounting / will probably fail anyway because of open files and such |
| 11:18.57 | *** join/#debian Scurz_ (i=sfantar@sceen.net) |
| 11:19.05 | justinhe_ | ? |
| 11:19.05 | telmich | fengor: one cannot umount / |
| 11:19.19 | *** join/#debian indraveni (n=indraven@203.129.255.178) |
| 11:19.29 | telmich | that's impossible per logic-definition :-) |
| 11:19.29 | *** join/#debian majesty89_ (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 11:19.35 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:19.52 | fengor | ebbs: then dont expect to get the answers you need when you ask the wrong questions. and besides if you know that people will think it's something stupid to do you should ask yourself if maybe it is. |
| 11:20.28 | ebbs | fengor, I ve got my causes to do that... thank you |
| 11:20.56 | fengor | ebbs: that may be so. but you really should ask the right questions |
| 11:20.57 | *** join/#debian comsa (i=1000@katax1-006.dialup.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:21.03 | *** join/#debian mmk[null] (n=martin@84.242.176.98) |
| 11:21.13 | fengor | and you can try chrooting |
| 11:21.37 | *** join/#debian obsethryl (n=opus@unaffiliated/obsethryl) |
| 11:21.39 | *** join/#debian kromagg (n=kromagg@ip-81-11-177-213.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 11:21.56 | ebbs | fengor, if I use chroot, I loose acces to the root dir... |
| 11:22.08 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 11:22.28 | obsethryl | hello, for intaling debian 4.0 (no net install) with a kde 3.5.x and a gnome 2.16 desktop, will the first DVD be enough or i have to download the other two as well? |
| 11:22.31 | obsethryl | installing* |
| 11:22.44 | spikeb | first dvd would be enough, so would the first CD. |
| 11:22.56 | spikeb | technically it's gnome 2.14 though, with some 2.16 parts. |
| 11:22.57 | streuner_ | obsethryl: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 11:23.12 | fengor | ebbs: if you unmount it you loose the access tooo so? |
| 11:23.14 | obsethryl | thank you both |
| 11:23.24 | fengor | ebbs: maybe its time to ask what you really want to do |
| 11:23.48 | ebbs | fengor... you see :-) (discussions) |
| 11:23.58 | ebbs | fengor but ok |
| 11:24.23 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 11:24.48 | *** join/#debian jso (n=jso@151.159.10.7) |
| 11:25.01 | fengor | ebbs: sorry my crystal ball is clouded today i can try to answer the questions you ask which will bring you nothing since its not the answer you were looking for. |
| 11:25.02 | *** join/#debian ghenry_ (n=ghenry@suretecsystems.plus.com) |
| 11:25.31 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@pc003.ben.tuwien.ac.at) |
| 11:26.00 | ebbs | I tried to remove all files from the main partition to rewrite on it a new system saved on server... |
| 11:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 795] by debhelper |
| 11:26.23 | ebbs | I tried it by script.., I tried to realize nfsboot... |
| 11:26.42 | *** join/#debian SnarceZ (n=bf@81-174-21-22.f5.ngi.it) |
| 11:26.50 | ebbs | nothing went as I wanted it to go... |
| 11:26.58 | ebbs | work |
| 11:27.00 | *** join/#debian Daveman (n=dave@pool-141-150-73-250.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:27.10 | fengor | so basically you try to reimage your / partittion with an image from a server in a running system? |
| 11:27.18 | ootput | is there an alternative to cinelerra that does essentially the same thing? |
| 11:27.44 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 11:28.09 | ebbs | fengor, yes |
| 11:28.28 | ebbs | fengor, and I try it to do on myself |
| 11:28.59 | obsethryl | another question, if you are available for answering guys. I have a fc6 setup with various lvm volumes. Nothing tricky or esotic, will it be possible to deploy the installer for mounting them, or this is something i better do once the system is up and running |
| 11:29.01 | *** part/#debian ghenry_ (n=ghenry@suretecsystems.plus.com) |
| 11:29.19 | SnarceZ | does anybody know how to change the mp3 informations like track name gender .... xmms has something like that but even if I change it, it never saves it |
| 11:29.40 | *** part/#debian perlmonkey (n=perlmonk@82-37-57-50.cable.ubr04.brom.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:29.53 | *** join/#debian Nyuszia (n=gdusa@82.131.223.230.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 11:29.56 | Nyuszia | helo |
| 11:30.04 | Nyuszia | van valakinek endless skyline meghívója? |
| 11:30.09 | Nyuszia | adnék cserébe iwiw, majomparádés meghívót |
| 11:30.15 | fengor | ebbs: i assume you are aware of the risks, consequences and everything about doing something like that? and with that being said wouldnt a simple download to another partiton and copying the image on the device via dad work? |
| 11:31.11 | zamuro | !hu |
| 11:31.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 11:31.26 | vn | orly? nice for him |
| 11:31.27 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 11:31.49 | ebbs | fengor, I already "destoyed" some systems.. to load a knoppix CD afterwards and to copy the image from the server to the client.. |
| 11:31.57 | *** part/#debian Nyuszia (n=gdusa@82.131.223.230.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 11:32.10 | vn | a system destroyer! |
| 11:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 11:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 11:32.44 | ebbs | fengor, so Im able to repair the damage Im producing :-) |
| 11:32.55 | Enverex | hmm, is there a sid "sources.list" anywhere? Just want a clean copy... |
| 11:33.20 | Ronin | Enverex: i doubt it |
| 11:33.38 | ootput | hola |
| 11:33.44 | Ronin | !br |
| 11:33.45 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:34.12 | ootput | Enverex: i can give you my fairly stock etch sources.list that you can convert to sid with a simple s/etch/unstable/ |
| 11:34.17 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 11:34.17 | *** join/#debian erxz_paste (n=pastebot@71.6.194.243) |
| 11:34.19 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=tscheek@p5092314d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:34.31 | vn | hola can be spanish too |
| 11:34.32 | Ronin | however if you run sid you should be able to fix it yourself :) |
| 11:34.40 | Enverex | ootput, Ah, that was my problem, I replaced "etch" with "sid" rather than "unstable" |
| 11:34.54 | Enverex | Ronin, I ran Gentoo for 4 years, I'm used to having to fix stuff myself |
| 11:35.03 | wintix | shouldn't sid and unstable work? |
| 11:35.09 | ootput | lol, i ran it for 3 |
| 11:35.18 | *** join/#debian tok|afk2 (n=toktok@p57A51242.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:35.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a DVD ripper that can rip from an ISO rather than a physical DVD? |
| 11:35.24 | vn | isn't sid the old unstable? |
| 11:35.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I connect to many wifi networks some with WEP key, can I do some edition to my /etc/network/interfaces file in order to chose automatically the wifi network at boot and connect to it? |
| 11:35.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | K3b can't, for some reason. |
| 11:35.32 | ootput | vn: sid is always unstable |
| 11:35.42 | vn | what's lenny then? |
| 11:35.45 | Ronin | vn: testing |
| 11:35.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | testing |
| 11:35.48 | vn | ok |
| 11:35.52 | Eclipser | Dark_Apostrophe, rip how? re-encode or just copy? |
| 11:35.54 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: how do you select the network currently? |
| 11:35.57 | spikeb | and etch is stable :) |
| 11:36.03 | spikeb | (and quite nice i might add) |
| 11:36.04 | Enverex | ootput, I'm getting a 404 on... the security.debian repo |
| 11:36.04 | ootput | thank god |
| 11:36.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eclipser: Encode to Ogg Theora |
| 11:36.21 | ootput | Enverex: i think there's a separate repo (if there's one at all) for unstable |
| 11:36.25 | *** join/#debian sdsd (n=mark@202.164.131.147) |
| 11:36.28 | vn | yeah got that, I'm stiill with sarge since I'm not sure its a good idea to do a dist-upgrade from sarge/backports to etch |
| 11:36.34 | Eclipser | Dark_Apostrophe, mencoder should do |
| 11:36.38 | Ronin | Enverex: there are no security updates for sid iirc |
| 11:36.39 | Enverex | ootput, Ah, so it's just the one main one I want? |
| 11:36.41 | ootput | Enverex: that doesn't use a similar address to that for stable/testing |
| 11:36.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, most of cases I use iwconfig, another times I use the netapplet but it doesnt work well for me, I rather user the console way |
| 11:36.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eclipser: Any GUIs for it? |
| 11:36.57 | wintix | gonzaloaf_laptop: multi wifi lans are currently a bit tricky. there should be good howtos out there. |
| 11:37.05 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: you can configure wlan in /etc/network/interfaces, yes |
| 11:37.08 | Eclipser | Dark_Apostrophe, I think there are some but I can't remember any because I only use the command line version |
| 11:37.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks. |
| 11:37.18 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: if you only use one usually that iis |
| 11:37.19 | spikeb | vn, as long as the versions in etch are newer than your backports, it should work in theory. |
| 11:37.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 11:37.23 | ootput | Enverex: i'm not sure; never used unstable :D |
| 11:37.27 | wintix | Dark_Apostrophe: guis for wifi usually make it worse |
| 11:37.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, every time I connect I see some lines added for each wifi network, but I dont know if I cant enable all of them |
| 11:37.39 | vn | spikeb: in theory... |
| 11:37.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eclipser: Wait, is Acidrip a GUI for mencoder? |
| 11:37.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | wintix: Huh? |
| 11:37.48 | vn | oh well |
| 11:37.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | wintix: I'm not talking about WiFi |
| 11:37.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, I use 3 usually |
| 11:37.51 | vn | let's do it |
| 11:37.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | wintix: I'm talking about DVD ripping |
| 11:37.57 | spikeb | vn, well, you can always just wait until you feel like doing a fresh install - oldstable is supported for a bit |
| 11:37.57 | *** join/#debian buu (n=buu@71.6.194.243) |
| 11:37.58 | spikeb | hehe |
| 11:37.59 | ootput | Enverex: actually, i don't think there are security updates for sid packages |
| 11:38.04 | Eclipser | Dark_Apostrophe, apparently |
| 11:38.05 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: lines added where? |
| 11:38.07 | wintix | Dark_Apostrophe: oh sorry, mixed up the nicks. |
| 11:38.08 | *** join/#debian Vluid_ (n=Vluid@dslb-084-063-004-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:38.12 | Enverex | ootput, So what repos should I have in my sources.list? |
| 11:38.12 | vn | I guess I change sarge to etch in my sources.list? |
| 11:38.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | wintix: No problem |
| 11:38.41 | lexoplex | I want to install the ndiswrapper module from ndiswrapper-source. 'module-assistant list-available' tells me ndiswrapper-source is installed, binary package for kernel not found. How to proceed? |
| 11:38.41 | azeem | Enverex: depends on the purpose of your Debian installation |
| 11:38.54 | azeem | lexoplex: tell m-a to build it |
| 11:38.55 | ootput | Enverex: if you'd like to watch a wide range of videos (and you don't mind the non-free aspect of packages,) there's marillat's repo |
| 11:39.00 | azeem | lexoplex: do you have a custom kernel? |
| 11:39.16 | spikeb | vn, you might want to check out the upgrade notes |
| 11:39.16 | ootput | Enverex: http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 11:39.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, in /etc/network/interfaces like: auto ath0, iface ath0 inet dhcp, wireless-essid XXXXXX, wireless-key YYYYYYY |
| 11:39.30 | wintix | lexoplex: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 11:39.30 | vn | spikeb: where? |
| 11:39.32 | Enverex | azeem, Let me rephrase, what are the basic ones first of all (isn't there a page that says "These are the basic Sid repos" somewhere?) |
| 11:39.36 | spikeb | vn, let me find them for you |
| 11:39.37 | ootput | Enverex: beyond that, i don't use any other repos besides the official ones |
| 11:39.44 | azeem | Enverex: it's sid, there's nothing else |
| 11:39.47 | vn | I got like stable main contrib on all the lines in my sources.list |
| 11:40.00 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: ok, no idea what adds those |
| 11:40.04 | spikeb | vn, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 11:40.08 | vn | kthx |
| 11:40.26 | azeem | vn: turn that from stable to sarge if you want to stay with 3.1 |
| 11:40.33 | *** join/#debian Mark_Iron (n=Mark_Iro@p5483c6da.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:41.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, ok |
| 11:41.28 | vn | bah I'll go with etch |
| 11:41.28 | *** join/#debian brottman (n=brian@24-236-152-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) |
| 11:41.46 | vn | I did a dist-upgrade yesterday...had only 2 things |
| 11:41.55 | vn | I can't believe I'm already with etch? |
| 11:42.21 | azeem | vn: what does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 11:42.22 | lexoplex | azeem: No, I use the one the etch installer set up |
| 11:42.32 | azeem | lexoplex: then build it |
| 11:42.51 | Enverex | azeem, So on sid you just have the basic one repo and then the source version of that one repo? |
| 11:42.59 | vn | 3.1 |
| 11:43.02 | vn | so, sarge |
| 11:43.07 | azeem | Enverex: I don't use sid, of course |
| 11:43.20 | lexoplex | wintix: thanks for that |
| 11:43.24 | azeem | vn: and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 11:43.27 | wintix | lexoplex: np |
| 11:43.50 | lexoplex | azeem: ok, done. Now m-a install...? |
| 11:43.52 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-142-105-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 11:44.06 | azeem | lexoplex: as written in the one-liner |
| 11:44.59 | *** join/#debian albert (n=albert@e176030083.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:45.02 | wintix | Enverex: sid is a very very unstable thing. it has complete main contrib and non-free repositories. only use sid(unstable) if you really know what you are doing. expect things to break. you should know your way around in the console and be able to fix your system on your own. |
| 11:45.29 | Enverex | wintix, As I said, been using Gentoo for 4 years on a desktop, laptop and server, I know my way around |
| 11:45.31 | azeem | and don't ask us |
| 11:45.33 | *** join/#debian th1 (n=th@217.206.93.34) |
| 11:45.37 | azeem | when it breaks |
| 11:45.48 | vn | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 11:45.52 | Enverex | azeem, So who would I ask? Or is that comment purely because no-one has any idea? |
| 11:46.06 | azeem | Enverex: nobody, you're supposed to fix things yourself |
| 11:46.13 | azeem | vn: ok |
| 11:46.19 | rambo3 | Gentoo isn't any kind of standard of how much linux you know , its standard of how much time you have free to waste |
| 11:46.20 | wintix | Enverex: do you have a problem with sid? maybe is overread your initial question.) |
| 11:46.32 | azeem | vn: read the release notes on how to upgrade to etch if you want to upgrade |
| 11:46.34 | Mark_Iron | hi ... one question ;-) ... do I have after resizing of an Logical Volume (lvresize) to use lvchange or whatever else? |
| 11:46.35 | Enverex | azeem, Right, so rather than asking anyone else that may have already fixed he issue themselves, you're expected to just root around yourself |
| 11:46.40 | Enverex | That sounds a little silly |
| 11:46.44 | *** join/#debian Scurz (n=sfantar@unaffiliated/Scurz) |
| 11:46.45 | Enverex | wintix, No |
| 11:46.55 | azeem | Enverex: *shrug*, we don't support unstable here |
| 11:47.07 | vn | oh god I rly need a new sources.list, full of errors in aptitude / apt-get update |
| 11:47.20 | Enverex | So it's a simple "use really old software or fuck off"? |
| 11:47.23 | *** join/#debian sigp239 (i=sigp239@210.207.212.121) |
| 11:47.30 | vn | lol |
| 11:47.34 | fengor | Enverex: etch is new and shiny ;) |
| 11:47.35 | albert | sounds great |
| 11:47.44 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@200.138.22.54) |
| 11:47.47 | azeem | Enverex: if testing is too old for you; you can also try to pay for commercial support maybe |
| 11:47.59 | fengor | but basically: well yeah either use tested and stable software or use untested software at your own risk |
| 11:48.02 | *** join/#debian kekimmo (i=kekimmo@kapsi.fi) |
| 11:48.02 | Enverex | azeem, What happened to the whole "community" of Linux? |
| 11:48.09 | *** join/#debian narasim_7 (n=chatzill@59.92.5.115) |
| 11:48.11 | albert | may i ask a really napp-like-question, cause when i search for it, the only thing i get are flamewars on forums |
| 11:48.15 | azeem | Enverex: if you run unstable, you're a developer |
| 11:48.22 | Enverex | Sounds like an NDA. "If you find a problem YOU MAY NOT ASK ANYONE ELSE OR EVEN SPEAK TO ANYONE ELSE" |
| 11:48.33 | azeem | Enverex: obviously, you'd file a bug |
| 11:48.40 | azeem | it's just that you won't get support in here |
| 11:48.41 | Appiah | thats not NDA =) |
| 11:48.42 | rambo3 | !pony Enverex |
| 11:48.44 | wintix | Enverex: no. you can of course come here and ask your question. depending on the people who are around you may get a very good answer or just a "we don't support unstable" |
| 11:48.57 | *** join/#debian xitro (n=xitro@213.219.146.244.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 11:48.57 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@213-156-55-130.fastres.net) |
| 11:49.14 | *** join/#debian eviltux (i=eviltux@multipeer.com) |
| 11:49.46 | fengor | but generally if you have a problem with a software in unstable you have better chances asking in the room of said software than here. |
| 11:50.07 | Enverex | fengor, I wouldn't call Etch new and shiny, it's still using OO 2.02 (which is awful) when 2.2 is out |
| 11:50.21 | appelza | whats the difference between bind and bind9 packages? |
| 11:50.51 | Enverex | Anyway, I know my way around Linux, I should be fine as long as it's not horribly wrecked every week |
| 11:50.55 | albert | you may get asked this so much and you have to puke when you read this...anyhow..i'm using ubuntu..and since i read so much about debian and people fighting for it that i wondered, whether i would learn more and faster about linux by using debian |
| 11:51.00 | fengor | if you arent happy with it you can still switch distros or upgrade to lenny and see if lenny has a newer version |
| 11:51.10 | azeem | Enverex: unstable is horribly wrecked *right now* |
| 11:51.19 | azeem | on i386 at least, AFAIK |
| 11:51.36 | sigp239 | How do I make an encrypted partition with Debian 4.0? Thank you. |
| 11:51.48 | fengor | albert: if you want to learn fast and dont mind a steep learning curve google for linux from scratch |
| 11:51.48 | markybob | sigp239: read the install manual |
| 11:52.00 | albert | fengor: i don't |
| 11:52.03 | fengor | use the installer sigp239 |
| 11:52.05 | Enverex | fengor, I like a rolling system rather than set releases |
| 11:52.15 | azeem | Enverex: testing provides that |
| 11:52.16 | fengor | or use one of the thousands how to set up hard disk encryptiuon in linux howtos |
| 11:52.25 | Enverex | Is "apt-get dist-upgrade" still the favourable method for system upgrades? |
| 11:52.30 | *** join/#debian styvy (n=styvy@kssl-4db5405f.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 11:52.31 | zamuro | albert: You'll learn no matter which distro you use as long as you _really_ wanna learn something out of it. |
| 11:52.38 | azeem | Enverex: aptitude is recommended |
| 11:52.39 | Braindead | Enverex: nope. aptitude is strongly suggested |
| 11:52.43 | fengor | Enverex: regarding distupgrade see the topic |
| 11:52.44 | xitro | Is the debian etch now complete out? because I can't download 3.1 only 4.0 but I didn't see any release notes on linux forums/newssite's... |
| 11:52.47 | wintix | Enverex: aptitude. if sarge -> etch, read the release notes first. |
| 11:52.51 | azeem | Enverex: if you mean upgrades between stable versions, those are covered by release notes |
| 11:53.02 | azeem | xitro: yes |
| 11:53.03 | wintix | xitro: /topic |
| 11:53.08 | xitro | ok tnx |
| 11:53.15 | albert | so, the question remains: is the ubuntu choice ok for trying around and getting used to linux? or would you say there was a better one? |
| 11:53.19 | Enverex | ... yeah |
| 11:53.29 | albert | oh god, this sound so stupid.. |
| 11:53.31 | zamuro | albert: Your call... |
| 11:53.45 | wintix | albert: well. you are in a debian channel. donÄt expect us to stand up for ubuntu ;) |
| 11:53.48 | azeem | albert: ask #ubuntu not us |
| 11:53.51 | fengor | albert: any disto is fine |
| 11:53.53 | *** join/#debian gholm (n=chatzill@ppp244-86.static.internode.on.net) |
| 11:54.04 | zamuro | wintix: Damn right! LOL |
| 11:54.17 | albert | ye, i ask you, cause the buntu guys will say, cause ubuntu aims for the "new ones", ye! |
| 11:54.28 | wintix | hehe |
| 11:54.33 | azeem | albert: disucssing ubuntu is off-topic here, sorry |
| 11:54.34 | vn | WHEEEE going on etch! |
| 11:54.39 | albert | ok, sorry |
| 11:54.41 | Braindead | \o/ |
| 11:54.46 | wintix | albert: try #debian-offtopic |
| 11:55.14 | *** join/#debian NoFX_SBC (n=nofxsbc@c9066c1e.virtua.com.br) |
| 11:55.26 | *** join/#debian poncha (n=poncha@194.90.81.130) |
| 11:55.43 | lexoplex | azeem: ok, there's now an 'ndiswrapper.ko' somewhere under /lib/modules/.../ -- will this automatically be loaded at boot-time? |
| 11:55.44 | Mark_Iron | question: do I need to run another command after lvresize to get my boot disk starting? |
| 11:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 802] by debhelper |
| 11:56.01 | azeem | lexoplex: hopefully, just try |
| 11:56.06 | Enverex | Is anyone here actually using Sid? |
| 11:56.10 | Mark_Iron | question: I've got fsck error ... on the resized lvm etch64/home .. during booting ;-/ |
| 11:56.24 | azeem | Enverex: heh, nobody will admit to avoid your questions ;) |
| 11:56.35 | azeem | at least /me is running testing currently |
| 11:56.35 | Braindead | yeah. I use windows |
| 11:56.36 | *** join/#debian jazbo2185 (i=jhamlin@71-81-91-100.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 11:56.53 | xitro | Braindead: shame on you |
| 11:56.53 | Enverex | azeem, It's just a simple "can you pastebin your sources.list" please |
| 11:57.14 | Braindead | Enverex: s/stable/unstable/g |
| 11:57.15 | azeem | Enverex: are you still at the "I don't know the sources.list for unstable" phase? |
| 11:57.18 | vn | smoeone's telling me that if I want more chances to get french package I should add sources from france, is that right? |
| 11:57.21 | sigp239 | markybob: are you being sarcastic? |
| 11:57.22 | jazbo2185 | After upgrading from sarge to etch, when I go into KDE, my panel disappears. Any ideas what's happening and how to fix it? |
| 11:57.25 | azeem | vn: no |
| 11:57.31 | vn | ok thanks |
| 11:57.35 | sigp239 | fengor: "the installer" ? |
| 11:57.38 | vn | that seemed illogic |
| 11:57.41 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:57.42 | Enverex | azeem, Well no-one will give me a clear answer, so I'm resorting to "pastebin someone elses and just look at that" |
| 11:57.44 | cydork | Enverex: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 11:57.46 | markybob | sigp239: not even close. read a doc |
| 11:58.03 | sigp239 | markybob: read "a" doc? |
| 11:58.08 | azeem | Enverex: it's "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian unstable main" |
| 11:58.16 | sigp239 | markybob: what are you talking about with "read 'a' doc" ?? |
| 11:58.17 | markybob | sigp239: i already specified the install manual. damn, man, listen. |
| 11:58.24 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@p54A54071.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:58.36 | azeem | !ig |
| 11:58.37 | Enverex | azeem, Well that's what I had but someone mentioned a "non-free" official repo too |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:58.38 | fengor | sigp239: the debian installer supports creating encrypted volumes during install. if you want to add encryption later use one of the several harddisk encryption howtos available on the net |
| 11:58.38 | sigp239 | markybob: you specified what exactly? |
| 11:58.40 | azeem | sigp239: ^^ |
| 11:58.41 | DimmuR | is there any way to check what application and how fast is writting to hdd? |
| 11:59.01 | azeem | Enverex: you can add contrib and non-free to the end of that line, yes |
| 11:59.05 | *** join/#debian kronic (n=blowfish@28.64.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 11:59.27 | *** join/#debian frealek (n=nobo@rsbac/documentation/frealek) |
| 11:59.32 | *** join/#debian flashnet (n=flashnet@210.94.178.29) |
| 11:59.33 | frealek | hi |
| 11:59.35 | vn | is it better to use ftp or http sources? |
| 11:59.45 | Braindead | vn: http. ftp must die |
| 11:59.55 | sigp239 | fengor: which howto? I've looked and I can't find an authoritative source. |
| 11:59.58 | vn | apt is whining there's too many connected users |
| 12:00.19 | *** join/#debian flashnet (n=flashnet@210.94.178.29) |
| 12:00.19 | vn | Braindead: would this happen too with http? |
| 12:00.54 | fengor | sigp239: there are several good out there. just google for them and skip over them to see if they fit your situation. |
| 12:00.56 | Enverex | azeem, See, that's why I need to see someones list, I don't want to have to keep adding one more line every 10 minutes because I'm slowly being fed information rather than someone just giving me the whole thing at once |
| 12:01.11 | *** join/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 12:01.22 | sigp239 | hrm |
| 12:01.46 | sigp239 | that is rather... |
| 12:01.53 | Braindead | vn: I can't guarantee. there's no such thing as a "magical http server" that creates bandwidth out of thin air. ftp must die anyway http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 12:01.59 | sigp239 | shall I say... |
| 12:02.02 | *** part/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 12:02.04 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@a61.laz.rv.studentenwohnheim-bw.de) |
| 12:02.17 | sigp239 | typing in multiple console commands... |
| 12:02.18 | sigp239 | ? |
| 12:02.24 | vn | EEK |
| 12:02.27 | Braindead | Enverex: if you need to be spoonfed just don't use sid. |
| 12:02.28 | vn | 357 updates |
| 12:02.30 | frealek | I'm trying to automate some Debian installations, and I use package selections files with "exim4 purge" and "postfix install" inside, but when I dpkg --set-selections < myselections && apt-get dselect-upgrade, it only purges exim4 and doesn't install postfix. dpkg -l postfix shows "in" status but dpkg --get-selections doesn't show the "postfix" package. do you have any hint of what's wrong with my selections/understanding ? thanks in advance |
| 12:02.52 | *** join/#debian corp-mule (n=corp-mul@cpe-76-183-127-205.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 12:03.13 | *** join/#debian Daejeo1 (n=chatzill@124.62.144.72) |
| 12:03.50 | Enverex | Braindead, I don't need to be spoonfed, that's my god damn point. Everyone is dancing around a simple questions rather than just answering it. |
| 12:04.12 | *** join/#debian JarJarBinks (n=stylie@port154.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 12:04.13 | Ronin | Enverex: well i did mention that if one runs sid one should be able to do it on thier own with no help |
| 12:04.19 | Braindead | Enverex: I call it "spoonfeeding" |
| 12:04.33 | sigp239 | there is a semi-official how-to on installing nvidia drivers....why not the same for encrypted partitons? |
| 12:04.49 | bzed | babilen: sorry, I totally missed the link you've posted for me. do you still need help with it? |
| 12:05.13 | bzed | sigp239: probably because there're 23112412 ways to do this ;) |
| 12:05.24 | sigp239 | bzed: really? |
| 12:05.26 | Enverex | Ronin, Well when people are being counter-productive it makes things a little more difficult doesn't it |
| 12:05.27 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.211.234) |
| 12:05.27 | sigp239 | sounds confusing |
| 12:05.29 | babilen | bzed: no, it's ok by now.... |
| 12:05.39 | fengor | sigp239: please tellus when ypou need us to bind your shoes and chew your food for you |
| 12:05.44 | Ronin | i havent seen anyone being countreproductive |
| 12:05.49 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@206-248-171-214.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 12:05.54 | babilen | bzed: thank you anyway... :-) |
| 12:05.59 | lexoplex | azeem: anyway, thanks for your help. Having the module ready was the last step missing between my laptop and my home WLAN, I hope :) Can't test that now. |
| 12:06.05 | bzed | babilen: np :) |
| 12:06.08 | sigp239 | why do nvidia users need to have you bind your shoes and chew your food for you???? |
| 12:06.08 | frealek | sigp239: I don't know which encryption system you want to use, but you can give a try to loop-aes.sf.net/loop-aes.README |
| 12:06.09 | bzed | !fengor++ |
| 12:06.24 | *** join/#debian flashnet (n=flashnet@210.116.119.164) |
| 12:06.25 | Enverex | Ronin, ALL I asked for was one SIMPLE THING. But apparently that's too much to ask for and when you ask people to stop dancing around the question they get all ansy that you "should be able to do it on your own". Just forget about it. |
| 12:06.41 | *** join/#debian dr-online (n=dr-onlin@ulmg-590f6dd2.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 12:06.52 | Daejeo1 | what is the difference between debian sarage and debian ETCH? |
| 12:06.55 | vn | Enverex: I just spoonfed you, look at your PMs |
| 12:07.05 | vn | Daejeo1: debian etch is the latest stable |
| 12:07.06 | Daejeo1 | what is the difference between debian sarge and debian ETCH? |
| 12:07.09 | vn | sarge is the old stable |
| 12:07.13 | sigp239 | I just want a good reference to a debian site that explains encrypted partition and how to set them up in 4.0........is that TOO MUCH TO ASK? |
| 12:07.14 | Daejeo1 | thax |
| 12:07.16 | Enverex | vn, That wasn't what I needed, just forget about it |
| 12:07.21 | vn | ok |
| 12:07.41 | *** join/#debian evi|_ (n=evil@cp82868-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 12:07.52 | Ronin | Enverex: youve been told several times what to do with the sources.list |
| 12:08.11 | vn | smells like a mode is coming |
| 12:08.18 | Daejeo1 | vn: how do I know which one I am running? |
| 12:08.20 | *** join/#debian jonathansizz (n=ian@216.16.222.80) |
| 12:08.24 | Enverex | Ronin, Actually only once did someone mention the non-free and contrib ones. |
| 12:08.41 | Braindead | Daejeo1: /etc/debian_version |
| 12:08.47 | *** part/#debian styvy (n=styvy@kssl-4db5405f.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 12:08.48 | vn | Daejeo1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:08.54 | vn | 3.1 or 4.0? |
| 12:09.00 | vn | maybe 3.0 |
| 12:09.24 | vn | woa it's not everyday that passwd is being updated |
| 12:09.27 | Daejeo1 | 3.1 |
| 12:09.34 | vn | then you're on sarge |
| 12:09.34 | Daejeo1 | sarge? |
| 12:09.38 | Daejeo1 | oh ok |
| 12:09.39 | Ronin | Daejeo1: you are running old stable, sarge |
| 12:09.51 | vn | I'm actually on Sarge-progressive |
| 12:09.54 | vn | =) |
| 12:10.56 | vn | upgrading to mysql 5.0 hope this won't b0rk anything |
| 12:11.28 | Daejeo1 | I need the following packages GCC3 / libstdc++5 |
| 12:11.36 | Daejeo1 | how can I install? |
| 12:11.47 | Braindead | Daejeo1: I seriously doubt that. at least tell us why you need it |
| 12:11.57 | Braindead | (horrible legacy software,I presume) |
| 12:12.05 | vn | lewl |
| 12:12.06 | Daejeo1 | asterisk 1.4.2 |
| 12:12.32 | Braindead | dpkg: backport? |
| 12:12.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 12:12.35 | Daejeo1 | want to integrate vxi |
| 12:12.51 | Daejeo1 | with asterisk server |
| 12:12.57 | vn | speaking of backports...is it useless now that etch is there? |
| 12:13.20 | rambo3 | Daejeo1, you mean 3.1 |
| 12:13.28 | *** join/#debian earthian (i=earthian@85.206.215.104) |
| 12:13.38 | Daejeo1 | I am on 3.1 |
| 12:13.46 | earthian | hello |
| 12:13.52 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5D43B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:13.56 | *** join/#debian melodos (n=sdcd@dsl-88-218-12-39.customers.vivodi.gr) |
| 12:13.59 | earthian | is there a way to control fan speeds on LPC47B397-NC ship ? |
| 12:14.04 | spikeb | vn, im not sure how long they support oldstable |
| 12:14.04 | earthian | chip* |
| 12:14.06 | melodos | could someone help me out with dd? |
| 12:14.13 | spikeb | vn, but eventually they will have backports for etch too, so not useless |
| 12:14.20 | melodos | can i make a whole image of my drive with it? |
| 12:14.27 | spikeb | yes you can melodos |
| 12:14.34 | vn | spikeb: I'm not anymore on oldstable.. :p |
| 12:14.46 | spikeb | vn, how did your upgrade go? |
| 12:14.46 | vn | but ok, I take note |
| 12:14.49 | melodos | spikeb: will that include all partitions and the mbr? |
| 12:15.00 | spikeb | melodos, yes. exact sector by sector copy |
| 12:15.31 | melodos | spikeb: ok, how do i do it:P |
| 12:15.35 | vn | spikeb: it was going on but stopped abruptly, I'm checking why |
| 12:15.38 | *** join/#debian deriaN- (n=nopron@0x535d6177.abnxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 12:15.40 | *** join/#debian casa-nova (i=tuomas@e82-103-208-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:15.50 | vn | its about some incoherent md5 checksum |
| 12:16.00 | spikeb | melodos, dd if=/dev/devicetocopyfrom of=/dev/devicetocopyto or of=image.img |
| 12:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 809] by debhelper |
| 12:16.02 | spikeb | believe so |
| 12:17.00 | melodos | spikeb: how do i restore that image? |
| 12:17.36 | spikeb | melodos, you probably use the image as what to copy from in the above example |
| 12:17.38 | melodos | spikeb: i also have acronis truimage, will that be easier for me? |
| 12:17.46 | vn | gawd....2372 packages to update |
| 12:17.51 | spikeb | vn, holy balls |
| 12:17.58 | spikeb | melodos, i dont know, i've only used dd :) |
| 12:18.30 | melodos | spikeb: is there any tut or something? |
| 12:18.38 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 12:18.43 | spikeb | melodos, let me take a quick look here and see if i can find anything for you |
| 12:18.44 | *** join/#debian darkk^ (n=darkk@darkk.net.ru) |
| 12:19.14 | melodos | spikeb: thnx a lot |
| 12:19.27 | spikeb | melodos, see if this helps any http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=362506 |
| 12:19.29 | vn | now its asking me full of questions |
| 12:19.31 | spikeb | melodos, you're welcome. |
| 12:20.00 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@153.sub-75-202-3.myvzw.com) |
| 12:20.52 | *** join/#debian lilgg (n=jap@88.218.160.22) |
| 12:20.53 | vn | aaaack it's asking me a root password for mysql 5.0, did that erase my db users!? |
| 12:21.08 | lilgg | Hello, if I use apt-get upgrade. will the kernel get upgraded aswell? |
| 12:21.28 | melodos | spikeb: loads to read about :P |
| 12:21.38 | darkk^ | Hi everyone. I've got three debian DVDs (4.0r0 i386) from untrusted sources and iso md5sums don't match (I checked it with md5sum /dev/scd0), but if I run check against /cdrom/md5sum.txt everything shows as "OK". Can anyone send me his /cdrom/md5sum.txt from debian DVDs for me to compare? |
| 12:21.47 | spikeb | melodos, yes, but there's only a little bit you actually need for what you want to do |
| 12:22.12 | melodos | spikeb: could be great help if you could tell me which :P |
| 12:23.02 | spikeb | melodos, like i said earlier, your basic command to create an image would be, for example: dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.img . then, to restore it, dd if=backup.img of=/dev/hda (i would assume, never done it to an image myself) |
| 12:23.49 | *** join/#debian pucko- (n=arvidjo@c80-216-165-91.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 12:24.23 | melodos | spikeb: what bout my system crashes and everything is lost, how will i be able to get it back again? can i save that image to another hdd (probably external) and then boot from a live cd run the dd from there? |
| 12:24.29 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw2-fe1ede00-55.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:24.34 | spikeb | melodos, yes you could |
| 12:25.30 | *** join/#debian quitte (n=quitte@stgt-d9beb076.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:26.01 | melodos | spikeb: and by just doing dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.img i have a complete image of my drive including windows partitions and the mbr and everything in it? :P |
| 12:26.32 | massctrl | anyone knows when etch will be supported by HP officially ? http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/433096-0-0-0-121.html |
| 12:26.58 | spikeb | melodos yup |
| 12:27.13 | melodos | spikeb: btw wheres the path place of the image to be saved at here? ==> dd if=/dev/hda of=backup.img |
| 12:27.27 | spikeb | melodos, current directory |
| 12:27.31 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@66.187.230.207) |
| 12:27.36 | melodos | how can i change that? |
| 12:27.44 | melodos | and save it somewhere else |
| 12:27.49 | *** part/#debian pucko- (n=arvidjo@c80-216-165-91.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 12:27.55 | Enverex | Well that was utterly painless |
| 12:28.07 | xand | melodos: of=/somedirectory/blah/blah |
| 12:28.10 | spikeb | melodos, you should be able to use of=/home/spikeb/image.img or something similar |
| 12:28.35 | Enverex | Just updated to Sid and rebooted, everything is fine. Only odd thing is that Sid is still using 2.6.18, don't Debian update the kernel often? |
| 12:29.29 | spikeb | Enverex, sid is just sort of starting back up after etch |
| 12:29.29 | xand | Enverex: patience |
| 12:29.29 | Enverex | Ah, nvm, I see it |
| 12:29.34 | *** join/#debian gizmatix (n=headshop@modemcable082.114-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 12:29.40 | Enverex | It's there, it's just not done automatically (it's in apt). |
| 12:29.45 | quitte | Enverex: there is a meta package that helps updating to newer kernel ersions linux-image-2.6-cputype |
| 12:29.53 | hark | Enverex: they haven't updated the linux-image-2.6-arch package yet |
| 12:30.02 | Enverex | quitte, Yeah, I assumed that was the default but it's not, I'll switch now |
| 12:30.09 | spikeb | :) |
| 12:30.10 | Enverex | hark, 2.6.20 is there |
| 12:30.15 | tarzeau | i hate network-manager |
| 12:30.19 | *** join/#debian OhMyGods (n=OhMyGods@58.221.236.58) |
| 12:30.21 | tarzeau | and i hate gdm |
| 12:30.25 | melodos | spikeb: srry to be a pain again, but how exactly can i restore something whille im on a live cd? i mean will it simply restore my mbr in case it brokes? |
| 12:30.30 | eps | gdm is awesome :D |
| 12:30.36 | hark | Enverex: meant the metapackage |
| 12:30.44 | vn | up to now everything is good in my dist-upgrade, theres just apache that failed to restart after the libc6 upgrade |
| 12:30.48 | Enverex | hark, ah |
| 12:30.59 | spikeb | melodos, if you're on a livecd, mount whatever drive your image is on, then do the dd if of thing, using wherever the image is as the if portion |
| 12:31.00 | quitte | tarzeau: you forgot to mention the udev net persitant rules ;) |
| 12:31.32 | tarzeau | eps: gdm is the worst shit ever :) |
| 12:31.41 | tarzeau | quitte: i didn't notice that yet |
| 12:31.50 | *** join/#debian itguru (n=theitgur@82-69-97-242.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 12:31.51 | Enverex | Technically should the K7 kernel work on a P4? K7 is only an Athlon (original) so you'd think that the P4's would have everything (other than 3DNow) that the original Athlons had instruction wise |
| 12:31.54 | quitte | tarzeau: trust me, you will |
| 12:32.04 | tarzeau | quitte: i'm still rebuilding 15 kernels with gcc 4.1 so my nvidia-driver automatic installer will work on etch |
| 12:32.16 | tarzeau | quitte: i noticed already udev problems, don't worry (two already) |
| 12:34.29 | eps | tarzeau I don't know; windows 3.11 would be doing battle with it for that title ;P |
| 12:34.39 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 12:34.42 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 12:34.44 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@vsat-148-65-200-206.c012.g4.mrt.starband.net) |
| 12:34.46 | vn | eps: that would be MS Bob |
| 12:34.49 | *** join/#debian jm|work (n=jm@sentry.flags.co.uk) |
| 12:34.50 | tarzeau | really the problem is gnome is being installed although i only have: d-i tasksel/first multiselect standard |
| 12:34.53 | *** part/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 12:34.57 | *** join/#debian PupenoR (n=pupeno@200.123.183.91) |
| 12:35.24 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 12:35.38 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 12:35.45 | *** join/#debian jm|work (n=jm@sentry.flags.co.uk) |
| 12:35.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 12:36.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just compiled mplayer... it seemed to work fine, but when I did make install, I got this: |
| 12:36.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://paste.debian.net/26003 |
| 12:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Could anyone please give me a hand with it? |
| 12:36.34 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: no. install it from repositories |
| 12:36.38 | Enverex | Erm, why are you compiling it? heh |
| 12:36.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: I already did... I need this one instead though. |
| 12:38.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Enverex: Some codecs are missing in the Deb packages. |
| 12:38.46 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: w32codecs perhaps ? |
| 12:38.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | No |
| 12:38.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | mp3lame, actually |
| 12:38.46 | *** part/#debian darkk^ (n=darkk@darkk.net.ru) |
| 12:38.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Surprisingly enough |
| 12:38.46 | jahshua | then apt-get it... |
| 12:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did. |
| 12:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Still didn't work. |
| 12:38.47 | jm|work | bummer |
| 12:38.47 | jahshua | stop, and think. |
| 12:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | But compiling it did. |
| 12:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, it doesn't want to install though. |
| 12:38.49 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@158.80-203-128.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:40.23 | vn | uhm...what's Woody? it says that I have 3 package with this debian flavor that should be destroyed |
| 12:40.35 | Braindead | vn: old-old-stable |
| 12:40.44 | *** join/#debian Turgon (n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon) |
| 12:40.47 | vn | sounds extremely old |
| 12:40.56 | spikeb | it is :) |
| 12:41.19 | *** join/#debian nn-server (n=nn@pool-70-16-138-82.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:41.35 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: just get mplayer packaged by Marillat |
| 12:41.36 | Trewas | Dark_Apostrophe: if you already compiled it, using the binaries directly (without make install) should work |
| 12:42.01 | itguru | I've just installed a debian test machine, and I selcted DNS as the role for the server. If I issue dig www.yahoo.com, the results come from the main DNS server on the network. is tha tnormal behaviuor? |
| 12:42.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Trewas: How do I make acidrip use the mencoder I compiled without installation then? |
| 12:42.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Í„ |
| 12:42.26 | petemc | itguru: /etc/resolv.conf decides that |
| 12:42.32 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: http://debian-multimedia.org/ to cut it short. |
| 12:42.48 | tarzeau | why is autofs started w/ S19 w/ etch, but sarge had S20? |
| 12:43.02 | tarzeau | Braindead: which version does marillat have? |
| 12:43.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: So you've been saying for the last five minutes. |
| 12:43.17 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: get mine! http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 12:43.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: But can you please tell me what's wrong, if you know it, instead? |
| 12:43.31 | itguru | petemc: Thanks a lot! It works now :) |
| 12:43.40 | petemc | np |
| 12:43.43 | *** join/#debian macsim (n=macsim@LSt-Amand-152-32-31-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:43.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I already successfully compiled it |
| 12:43.53 | Trewas | Dark_Apostrophe: copy it to somewhere in the path, /usr/local/bin or replace the package-installed binary with it |
| 12:43.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: It just won't install... |
| 12:43.55 | Braindead | Dark_Apostrophe: I just don't care what's wrong with your "make install" of vanilla sources. this is a debian channel, not #mplayer |
| 12:44.17 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: why not? on etch? it installs fine here |
| 12:44.19 | *** join/#debian mrfan_ (n=mrfan@87.18.196.106) |
| 12:44.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Braindead: Bloody hell, chill a bit dude, OK? |
| 12:44.23 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: rebuild it? |
| 12:44.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, vanilla sources. |
| 12:44.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | I used Debian packs previously. |
| 12:44.42 | *** join/#debian jm|work (n=jm@sentry.flags.co.uk) |
| 12:45.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: http://paste.debian.net/26003 |
| 12:45.05 | nn-server | how do i keep the logs and other exim junk from getting maihow do i fix exim4 |
| 12:45.07 | *** join/#debian ^^CatTuX^^ (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 12:45.12 | *** join/#debian JarJarBinks (n=stylie@port154.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 12:45.19 | Braindead | tarzeau: liblame0, for instance, may make the difference for him |
| 12:45.22 | nn-server | box |
| 12:45.27 | vn | wtf |
| 12:45.30 | tarzeau | Braindead: that's not a debian package |
| 12:45.30 | vn | is it me or... |
| 12:45.39 | vn | etch install apache2!?!?!? |
| 12:45.43 | vn | +s |
| 12:45.46 | tarzeau | Braindead: yeah, i'd install that too , of course |
| 12:45.48 | xand | !! |
| 12:45.48 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 12:45.54 | xand | huh |
| 12:45.55 | xand | !!! |
| 12:45.55 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:46.01 | jahshua | !!! |
| 12:46.09 | jahshua | heh |
| 12:46.25 | jahshua | !!! |
| 12:46.25 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:46.31 | jahshua | $$$ |
| 12:46.42 | jahshua | ### |
| 12:46.45 | jahshua | ok done. |
| 12:46.47 | Braindead | you can molest the bot in private, just /query him |
| 12:47.06 | jahshua | thanks for the tip. |
| 12:47.25 | *** join/#debian jcoppala (n=jcoppala@203-206-243-127.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 12:47.27 | vn | lol |
| 12:48.47 | *** part/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@203-044-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 12:49.35 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 12:49.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 12:51.09 | spikeb | haha |
| 12:51.33 | vn | urgh...why dist-upgrade installed apache2? I didn't want this |
| 12:51.43 | *** part/#debian leehambley (n=leehambl@86.54.38.4) |
| 12:51.55 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.6.188.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 12:51.55 | vn | I want my old apache back! |
| 12:52.05 | liable | vn: didnt for me. i kept 1.3 |
| 12:52.17 | vn | :\ |
| 12:52.25 | *** part/#debian albert (n=albert@e176030083.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:52.28 | Ronin | tehn uninstall 2 and install 1, i have 1.3 on my server and it didnt' remove it and install 2 vn |
| 12:52.55 | vn | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/msql.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20050606+lfs/msql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 12:52.57 | vn | meh |
| 12:53.29 | *** join/#debian putridp (n=ed@80.175.128.209) |
| 12:53.50 | *** join/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 12:55.52 | *** join/#debian ulf_k_ (n=ulf_k@p54BD3609.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 801] by debhelper |
| 12:56.09 | *** join/#debian znx (n=znx@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 12:57.11 | melodos | where do i have to go in order to use non-free sources? |
| 12:57.19 | *** join/#debian Arrick (n=Arrick@about/windows/regular/arrick) |
| 12:57.25 | Arrick | hey guys |
| 12:57.27 | Ronin | melodos: you add it to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:57.28 | spikeb | just add non-free to your sources.list |
| 12:57.30 | *** join/#debian phiki (n=leech@p54A2833E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:57.30 | zamuro | melodos: Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:57.34 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@218-215-132-171.people.net.au) |
| 12:57.44 | melodos | thnx all :P |
| 12:57.44 | Arrick | where do I look in debain/sarge to find out what ports my server is listening on? |
| 12:57.55 | zamuro | Arrick: netstat |
| 12:58.00 | Arrick | thanks |
| 12:58.41 | jm|work | :| |
| 12:58.44 | *** join/#debian ChakRa (n=masta@76.20.176.94) |
| 12:58.49 | jm|work | ii libxfcegui4-4 4.4.1-1 |
| 12:58.54 | jm|work | xfce4-panel: Depends: libxfcegui4-4 (>= 4.3.99.2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:58.56 | jm|work | I don't get it |
| 12:59.20 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@i59F73C03.versanet.de) |
| 13:00.37 | *** join/#debian robin_sz (n=robin@212.243.40.130) |
| 13:01.03 | melodos | srrry to bother again, is it main contrib non-free , or just main non-free? |
| 13:02.21 | *** join/#debian solemnwa1ning (n=solemnwa@cpc3-fare2-0-0-cust19.cos2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:02.34 | *** join/#debian jabular (i=jabular@82-45-23-202.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:03.29 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 13:03.52 | *** join/#debian hid3 (n=hide@mafija.vkt.lt) |
| 13:04.04 | *** join/#debian S2AnGeL (n=S2AnGeL@CPE0014bf103d31-CM000039529869.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 13:04.09 | *** part/#debian S2AnGeL (n=S2AnGeL@CPE0014bf103d31-CM000039529869.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 13:04.16 | *** join/#debian rstanca (n=radu@86.125.228.29) |
| 13:04.22 | *** join/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 13:05.17 | Enverex | Ok, here's an interesting question. If I'm installing from the business card CD, can I set it to use the Sid sources so that it installs that rather than Etch? |
| 13:05.51 | *** join/#debian defcon8 (n=justin@unaffiliated/defcon8) |
| 13:06.30 | Enverex | Oh, hah, now it's asked me anyway, nvm |
| 13:06.34 | *** join/#debian mrfan_ (n=mrfan@87.18.196.106) |
| 13:06.35 | *** join/#debian root__ (n=neil@80-46-38-124.static.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 13:07.11 | Braindead | Enverex: install minimal etch, dist-upgrade to sid |
| 13:07.39 | spikeb | i've considered upgrading to sid, but i'm way too lazy to actually maintain an unstable machine heh |
| 13:07.40 | *** join/#debian bungle (i=SunFish7@nusnet-227-126.dynip.nus.edu.sg) |
| 13:07.42 | Enverex | Braindead, It's done it anyway, seems I needed to use expert mode or switch to the options menu during install |
| 13:08.43 | LV-426 | any1 on how to get cron to spawn a gedit session (or any other gui program) to my running gnome-session ? |
| 13:08.43 | *** join/#debian dutche- (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 13:08.57 | *** join/#debian mrfan_ (i=mrfan@87.18.196.106) |
| 13:10.02 | *** join/#debian itguru (n=theitgur@82-69-97-242.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 13:10.16 | Enverex | LV-426, erm, "DISPLAY=0 su yourname -c "gedit"" may work, can't remember off the top of my head |
| 13:10.27 | *** join/#debian mrfan_ (n=mrfan@87.18.196.106) |
| 13:11.43 | itguru | Sorry, I got DQ'd |
| 13:12.53 | itguru | here's a thought - what happens when we run out of toystory characters? |
| 13:13.44 | *** join/#debian CapriSkye (n=hi@user-2b2788.user.msu.edu) |
| 13:13.48 | *** join/#debian stew (i=nulliden@mail.vireo.net) |
| 13:13.55 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5485F6BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:14.17 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-58-222.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:14.35 | stew | what a friggen nightmare |
| 13:15.02 | *** join/#debian OhMyGods (n=OhMyGods@58.221.236.58) |
| 13:15.25 | cafuego | itguru: we get disney to do a new movie |
| 13:15.27 | *** join/#debian Maerz (n=anonym00@pD95638DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:16.02 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 13:16.02 | *** part/#debian Arrick (n=Arrick@about/windows/regular/arrick) |
| 13:16.14 | stew | grub hates me |
| 13:16.45 | stew | bot only, of course, on remote servers where i don't have console |
| 13:16.56 | anapivirtua | Hello world |
| 13:17.47 | melodos | i have: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main , do i just have to add contrib non-free? at the end?? |
| 13:18.01 | *** join/#debian cga (n=cga@213-140-6-101.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:18.02 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 13:18.06 | azeem | melodos: yes |
| 13:18.28 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 13:18.36 | ma3x | could ram change affect 3d graphics?? |
| 13:19.01 | LV-426 | Enverex, ... i get a cannot open display error , besides the fact it's prompting 4 pw which could be a problem ... all i need it 2 do is start playing music |
| 13:19.05 | Enverex | ma3x, Only if you no-longer have enough to run the app, heh |
| 13:19.16 | *** join/#debian Mortrak (n=mortrak@81.202.7.172.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 13:19.24 | Enverex | LV-426, How the hell would gedit play music? |
| 13:19.25 | enouf | stew: you can't ssh into them?, or no root access? or.. |
| 13:19.27 | *** part/#debian Mortrak (n=mortrak@81.202.7.172.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 13:19.36 | ma3x | Enverex, I just changed the 2 rams (2 x 256) with 2 x 512 and system runs fine, but 3d acceleration won't work anymore |
| 13:19.40 | ma3x | it displays fuzzy graphics |
| 13:19.50 | Enverex | That's weird |
| 13:19.55 | ma3x | very weird indeed |
| 13:20.25 | *** join/#debian Ankur (n=Ankur@203.145.159.42) |
| 13:20.51 | *** part/#debian Ankur (n=Ankur@203.145.159.42) |
| 13:21.11 | enouf | ma3x: you sure all 1024 is recognized?, being used? cat /proc/meminfo |
| 13:21.41 | *** join/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 13:21.46 | enouf | ma3x: same slots? .. how many mobo DIMM slots altogether available? |
| 13:21.49 | solar_sea | ma3x, did you try reseting the bios ? |
| 13:21.53 | LV-426 | ...mixed u up ... i'm just testing functionality ... gedit will b vlc or something .... |
| 13:22.00 | ma3x | enouf, laptop - it has only 2 slots |
| 13:22.02 | *** join/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 13:22.09 | ma3x | solar_sea, didn't try reseting it |
| 13:22.24 | ma3x | enouf, I posted ram info http://pastebin.ca/448081 |
| 13:22.34 | enouf | ma3x: reseat the sticks .. and/or try running memtest86+ |
| 13:22.45 | ma3x | enouf, I tried running the memtest, it detected 1 error |
| 13:22.47 | ma3x | is that bad? |
| 13:22.59 | ma3x | and could it affect 3d acceleration graphics/ |
| 13:23.00 | enouf | ma3x: use test9, et al, IIRC |
| 13:23.30 | solar_sea | well, give it a try. I'm not pretty sure how to do it on a notebook though. On desktop machines there's a battery that's responsible for the bios memory and removing it resets the bios. |
| 13:23.32 | ma3x | enouf, test #9 of memtest? |
| 13:23.49 | ma3x | solar_sea, on laptop you could only load optimized defaults |
| 13:23.53 | ma3x | which won't do much |
| 13:23.55 | stew | enouf: its up now. i just couldn't convince it to boot the 0th kernel. even with default=0 in menu.list, and running set-grub-default 0 and running grub-reboot 0; i had to send someone to the console to select the 0th kernel manually or else it was booting the 4th kenrel which is the fallback kernel |
| 13:23.58 | *** join/#debian keksi10 (n=100200@dsl-aur-fe90dd00-173.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:23.58 | enouf | ma3x: but also look at your BIOS settings and make sure your DIMM voltages are correct, and you have the correct "type" of RAM, |
| 13:24.13 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481ff77.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:24.14 | enouf | ma3x: test9 of memetest yes |
| 13:24.15 | ma3x | enouf, I'm not sure if I have the correct type of ram |
| 13:24.23 | ma3x | because the ram I had before was a different brand |
| 13:24.38 | ma3x | and plus that RAM might have been more compatible with the 64 cpu |
| 13:24.38 | keksi10 | 7msg dpkg xfce |
| 13:24.50 | ma3x | is there such thing - ram compatibility with 64 bit cpu? |
| 13:25.08 | *** join/#debian lgd_ (n=lgd_@151.70.123.140) |
| 13:25.34 | ma3x | anyway, should I install the following 2 packages? xlibmesa-dri and xlibmesa-gl |
| 13:25.42 | *** join/#debian hq4ever (n=hq4ever@192.118.54.78) |
| 13:25.42 | ma3x | I don't have them installed |
| 13:25.49 | *** join/#debian kw0lf (n=kw0lf@nelug/coreteam/kwolf) |
| 13:26.16 | *** join/#debian Spec (n=nwheeler@ubuntu/member/spec) |
| 13:26.30 | *** join/#debian Testerss (n=ty@host-216-211-25-3.tbaytel.net) |
| 13:26.35 | Testerss | I'm using Sarge, my apt source list states "stable"..... does this mean it will now get Etch packages? |
| 13:26.37 | enouf | stew: hrm .. I've heard some having issues with 'grub-default' not working correctly (for unknown reasons) .. is the 0th kernel on th disk that the #groot= entry points to? |
| 13:26.45 | ma3x | btw, what should I set BusID"PCI:0:16:0" ??? |
| 13:26.54 | ma3x | I have it PCI:1:0:0 |
| 13:26.57 | ma3x | is that good/bad ? |
| 13:26.59 | avtobiff | Testerss, yes it does |
| 13:27.03 | stew | enouf: groot? groob points to the /boot partition |
| 13:27.10 | stew | ^b^t |
| 13:27.12 | Testerss | So what should it say.... sarge? |
| 13:27.50 | *** join/#debian Piet_ (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 13:28.37 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@host160-37-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:28.42 | cydork | Testerss: yes. if you want to stick to sarge put "sarge" in sources.list. |
| 13:28.49 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 13:29.21 | enouf | stew: ok .. if it was on a different disk it wouldn't find it (my entry is # groot=(hd1,0)) .. and check the various #update-grub params in menu.lst .. did you run update-grub? |
| 13:29.30 | *** join/#debian samiam__ (n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 13:29.42 | itchi | weee, i have won 1 year free subscription to the Linux magazine, cause i did a donation when i was at the FOSDEM. Cooooool :-) |
| 13:29.51 | stew | enouf: yes. all the kenrels work fine. its just a matter of being able to tell grub which to boot by default |
| 13:30.09 | stew | enouf: and there is only one disk |
| 13:30.19 | itchi | Donation == 1 free (FOSDEM) t-shirt too! |
| 13:30.22 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@cm-1026.europronet.ba) |
| 13:30.46 | stew | i got a 1 year subscription to linux magazine and i have no idea why |
| 13:30.55 | itchi | heh :-p |
| 13:31.05 | aldin | hi, need help i have amd turion 64 and debian 4.0 i386... my kernel is Linux kapetano 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:31.13 | enouf | stew: ok .. i see , those Automagic settings can be confusing (for me they are), about what it should/should not use, update, when alternatives are locked/allowed, etc |
| 13:31.15 | itchi | stew: Anyway, mine is of that FOSDEM :-) |
| 13:31.18 | aldin | kapetano:/home/aldin# acpi -V |
| 13:31.18 | aldin | No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi"). |
| 13:31.18 | aldin | kapetano:/home/aldin# |
| 13:31.20 | *** join/#debian znx (n=znx@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 13:31.22 | aldin | what to do |
| 13:31.33 | itchi | stew: I have just read the mail about it :-) |
| 13:32.06 | *** join/#debian dosdos (n=root@85.104.130.133) |
| 13:32.11 | itchi | The donation 'world' rocks much more as the 'comercial' (payed) world |
| 13:32.22 | itchi | !tell dosdos -about root |
| 13:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 13:32.31 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 13:32.51 | kisielk | so anyway, does anyone know what determines the default python (eg: what /usr/bin/python points to) in Debian? |
| 13:32.53 | *** join/#debian cattail (n=cattail@222.244.57.123) |
| 13:33.02 | aldin | am i on wrong place at wrong time? |
| 13:33.06 | itchi | gggrr, i not have won that big sun thingy arg :-p |
| 13:33.17 | *** join/#debian irule (n=irule@189.164.43.19) |
| 13:33.28 | *** join/#debian jnsears (n=jnsears@user-387gq4l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:33.30 | *** part/#debian dosdos (n=root@85.104.130.133) |
| 13:33.38 | *** join/#debian Turgon (n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon) |
| 13:33.44 | itchi | kisielk: ls -lah /usr/bin/python |
| 13:33.58 | kisielk | itchi: yes I know how to see WHAT it points to |
| 13:34.03 | kisielk | but what decides the target of that symlink |
| 13:34.04 | enouf | stew: perhaps there;'s an old file it's reading found in /boot/grub .. as stated here http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Invoking-grub_002dset_002ddefault |
| 13:34.14 | *** join/#debian seaGo (n=depreed@host108-150-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:34.18 | kisielk | there must be some management of it going on somewhere |
| 13:34.20 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 13:34.30 | Enverex | Is there somewhere we can request packages for the repos? |
| 13:34.46 | kisielk | for example I installed python2.5 recently, but /usr/bin/python still points to python2.4 |
| 13:34.49 | stew | Enverex: /msg dpkg rfp |
| 13:34.55 | *** join/#debian sgeigerbot (n=user@h460de4dd.area2.spcsdns.net) |
| 13:35.20 | stew | kisielk: yes. and it will continue to do so until debian is ready to transition to 2.5 as a whole |
| 13:35.20 | itchi | noise* |
| 13:35.25 | kisielk | stew: right, so I was wondering what makes that decision? |
| 13:35.33 | *** join/#debian jazbo2185 (i=jhamlin@71-81-91-100.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 13:35.41 | stew | kisielk: if you have a script that needs 2.5, change the shebang to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 13:35.42 | enouf | kisielk: update-alternatives? |
| 13:35.47 | stew | enouf: not for python |
| 13:35.49 | kisielk | enouf: no |
| 13:35.50 | enouf | ok |
| 13:36.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 810] by debhelper |
| 13:36.02 | *** part/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 13:36.03 | stew | kisielk: the python maintainer decides |
| 13:36.09 | *** join/#debian xmai (i=io@a81-197-98-104.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:36.19 | stew | kisielk: http://lists.debian.org/debian-python would be the place to find out more |
| 13:36.33 | kisielk | stew: ok thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know |
| 13:37.17 | aldin | anyone here with AMD mobile processor? |
| 13:37.50 | *** join/#debian znx (n=znx@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 13:37.52 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@5634dfcf.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 13:38.01 | stew | enouf: i don't see anything about an old file there? (nor do i think i have old files sitting around) |
| 13:38.09 | *** join/#debian _lun (i=lun@88.118.241.35) |
| 13:38.45 | enouf | stew: "The program grub-set-default sets the default boot entry for GRUB. This automatically creates a file named "default" under your GRUB directory (i.e. /boot/grub), if it is not present." |
| 13:38.59 | *** join/#debian ^^CatTuX^^ (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 13:39.14 | keksi10 | how i can make sure that i have postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" ? |
| 13:39.28 | *** part/#debian kisielk (n=kisielk@zeus.kimaker.com) |
| 13:39.29 | *** join/#debian dvst (i=dvst@190.75.114.76) |
| 13:39.32 | *** join/#debian _lun (i=lun@88.118.241.35) |
| 13:40.05 | stew | enouf: oh, hmm |
| 13:40.14 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 13:40.27 | enouf | keksi10: cat /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 13:40.32 | stew | enouf: of course, this file is not human readable |
| 13:40.34 | enouf | er.. is that it's name? |
| 13:40.42 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 13:40.45 | enouf | stew: really? .. never used one .. heh |
| 13:40.49 | ma3x | any guide howto install ati driver on x64 system? |
| 13:40.59 | stew | enouf: but thanks for the pointer |
| 13:41.06 | keksi10 | thnx |
| 13:41.09 | enouf | stew: welcome.. |
| 13:41.36 | stew | enouf: the poeple that installed this wrongly put grb in /boot/grub instead of /boot/boot/grub, i wonder if that could contribute |
| 13:41.44 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 13:42.22 | enouf | stew: indeed .. on every Debian , it's always been /boot/grub (i think you may have that backwards a bit .. or maybe not) |
| 13:42.22 | stew | and this got me a good taste of crap not working properly with etch and an older 2.4 kernel |
| 13:42.38 | *** join/#debian dedi (n=dedi@149.135.20.189) |
| 13:42.51 | stew | enouf: if /boot is a separate partition, grub ends up in /boot/boot/grub, as the default location is boot/grub relative to groot |
| 13:42.55 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 13:43.11 | enouf | er... every debian == all my generic installations ;-) |
| 13:43.21 | stew | enouf: if you follow /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian and pass it the --root-directory=/boot option for a separate partition, this is where it end up |
| 13:43.22 | enouf | stew: right-o |
| 13:43.48 | *** join/#debian Xteven (n=deepstar@void.singularity.be) |
| 13:44.14 | enouf | stew: I did a while used to use a separate /boot, but hadn't noticed grub so much about it back then .. thanks for clearing that up for moi |
| 13:44.53 | Xteven | hello, can someone give me details on how the base-config package is built on the sarge network install CD ? it doesn't appear to be just dpkg-deb --build |
| 13:45.13 | stew | enouf: it works in either place, grub is smart enough to look both places. im just wondering if its smart enough to look both places for the default file maybe (but now i'm really grasping at straws) |
| 13:46.06 | keksi10 | when i do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. i get 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded ? |
| 13:46.06 | enouf | stew: I'd be wondering that too .. |
| 13:46.33 | enouf | stew: not that there's much talking, but we do have a #grub here on freenode |
| 13:46.36 | stew | i could run apt-get source grub, but i have a feeling i would be lost quickly |
| 13:46.42 | stew | oh, yeah |
| 13:47.10 | keksi10 | how i can upgrade those 27 not upgraded ? |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | the grub source isn't too bad |
| 13:47.22 | *** join/#debian Nikolay (n=nik@82-208-101-74.dialup.mts-nn.ru) |
| 13:47.25 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 13:47.27 | abrotman | keksi10: specifically install them or try a dist-upgrade |
| 13:47.41 | *** join/#debian tminos (n=bowens@office.techxpress.net) |
| 13:48.20 | *** part/#debian not_a_k (n=krishna@static-71-240-123-178.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:48.22 | *** join/#debian samiam (n=samurai@74-134-139-205.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | though .. i didn't follow the gurb issue .. mine was something werid i was helping someone in here with |
| 13:48.30 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-016.eplus-online.de) |
| 13:48.33 | keksi10 | abrotman: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:48.46 | abrotman | probably start using aptitude .. but apt-get will suffice |
| 13:48.55 | keksi10 | yes thats work.. |
| 13:48.57 | keksi10 | thnx.. |
| 13:49.07 | *** join/#debian DogWater (i=DogWater@dhcp91.cmh.ee.net) |
| 13:49.09 | *** part/#debian dedi (n=dedi@149.135.20.189) |
| 13:49.17 | enouf | keksi10: apt-get -s upgrade, or even an interactive aptitude upgrade may show you which are being held back and why .. my list of not upgraded is in the 100s and doesn't bother me one bit ;-) |
| 13:49.23 | DogWater | Anyone know if Etch (debian 4.0) supports the redhat style 'kickstart' install like Ubuntu does? |
| 13:49.25 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 13:49.49 | abrotman | mmm .. dist-upgrade |
| 13:49.49 | abrotman | Setting up debconf (1.5.11) ... |
| 13:49.49 | abrotman | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | !tell DogWater about fai |
| 13:50.29 | DogWater | yea, you have to have a debian box for that |
| 13:50.46 | *** join/#debian stickybit`_ (n=abhishek@59.184.155.247) |
| 13:50.50 | abrotman | you don't *have to* |
| 13:50.53 | enouf | that's what this channel is for .. hehe .. you want a debootstrap install? |
| 13:50.56 | abrotman | there's also dphys |
| 13:51.07 | DogWater | Oh, I just wondered if Ubuntu got it from etch |
| 13:51.11 | Gnea | DogWater: kickstart? like, pop it in the drive and if it doesn't boot, kick it hard? |
| 13:51.14 | abrotman | but that's something that tarzeau uses at his uni .. |
| 13:51.23 | DogWater | because ubuntu's implementation of kickstart is awesome |
| 13:51.30 | abrotman | DogWater: URL ? |
| 13:51.41 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (n=kevin@c-24-131-84-225.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 13:51.43 | *** join/#debian Zvpun (i=micha@a183127.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 13:51.54 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 13:52.01 | DogWater | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility |
| 13:52.12 | DogWater | they use the same system redhat, fedora, centos, etc uses |
| 13:52.20 | abrotman | https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html |
| 13:52.24 | DogWater | which makes it easy for hosting companies to have one single repository for all of their oses |
| 13:52.41 | Gnea | apt-cache search kickstart <-- returns no results in sid |
| 13:52.45 | reiser2 | Question: how can i configure Keyboard (without Xorg or xfree86 |
| 13:52.47 | Gnea | must be crap software ;) |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:52.51 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 13:52.55 | enouf | Gnea: nothing in exp either |
| 13:52.58 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481FF77.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | DogWater: we have FAI and preseeding |
| 13:53.22 | enouf | Gnea: where things such as initng, et al are being tried/tested, etc |
| 13:53.32 | DogWater | KK, just wondered maybe it will be in 5 |
| 13:53.38 | abrotman | both of which work very well |
| 13:54.02 | DogWater | we just cant have 30 servers deployed just for the purpose of installing different linux distributions |
| 13:54.15 | abrotman | you don't need a debian box for fai IIRC |
| 13:54.16 | abrotman | !fai |
| 13:54.17 | dpkg | fai is probably Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 13:54.28 | DogWater | kewl |
| 13:54.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've made dphys4 |
| 13:54.37 | *** join/#debian yeesha (n=yeesha@92-130.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 13:54.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know |
| 13:54.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: i can fully install our systems w/ etch now |
| 13:54.51 | *** join/#debian Zvpun (i=micha@a183127.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de) |
| 13:54.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: using debian-installer preseeding |
| 13:54.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: and dphys-config/dphys-admin |
| 13:55.52 | *** join/#debian Deprecat1d (n=brenton@203-206-115-83.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:55.58 | Inf3rn0 | Where are the password hashes for my users stored in Debian Etch? I don't see any hashes in /etc/passwd |
| 13:56.01 | abrotman | DogWater: fyi .. http://faiwiki.informatik.uni-koeln.de/index.php/FAI_multi-distribution |
| 13:56.07 | *** join/#debian cyberfr0g (n=cyberfrg@80-192-47-187.cable.ubr01.glen.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:56.07 | abrotman | Inf3rn0: /etc/shadow ? |
| 13:56.16 | *** part/#debian Deprecat1d (n=brenton@203-206-115-83.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 13:56.18 | Inf3rn0 | I don't think I've got that enabled. I'll check |
| 13:56.24 | abrotman | i bet you do :) |
| 13:56.44 | Zvpun | I am (non root) user at our comp network, they use debian. When I login using kdm my .bash_profile is not read. The only session I can choose is kde. How can I read the .bash_profile during X login? |
| 13:56.46 | Inf3rn0 | abrotman++ |
| 13:56.49 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks |
| 13:56.50 | Gnea | DogWater: ah ok, kickstart seems pretty cool... but yeah, debian's had fai for years |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | FAI can install more than just debian |
| 13:57.05 | *** part/#debian Testerss (n=ty@host-216-211-25-3.tbaytel.net) |
| 13:57.07 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 13:57.17 | *** join/#debian character (n=lsmith@192.135.141.99) |
| 13:57.20 | *** join/#debian c0nv1ct (n=convict@151hood236.hctc.com) |
| 13:57.59 | Inf3rn0 | Now, what kinda hash is this? Md5? |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:58.04 | DogWater | Gnea: I dont really care about the mechanism, really. its just we have 50 variations of OS/x86/x64, linux, windows, freebsd on a single installer |
| 13:58.10 | DogWater | and i need to keep it all neatly packaged |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | the salted password encryption was very weak |
| 13:58.21 | abrotman | kickstart does windows ? |
| 13:58.33 | abrotman | DogWater: you can use ghost with linux ? |
| 13:58.46 | Gnea | DogWater: whatever works :) |
| 13:58.52 | DogWater | abrotman: sure, you can turn the boot disks into an img file and then run it with memdisk in pxe |
| 13:59.02 | *** join/#debian phiki_ (n=leech@p54A2BA88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:59.19 | DogWater | abrotman: we actually dont use ghost though, we switched to windows' proprietary loader (that way we dont have to have a different image for each motherboard) |
| 13:59.19 | *** join/#debian NeScHe`mUziK`diN (n=iPek16@88.241.23.139) |
| 13:59.23 | *** join/#debian baroni (n=baroni@c906a072.virtua.com.br) |
| 13:59.23 | *** join/#debian ErikRose (n=grinch@PollockMega-Mobile253.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 13:59.23 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:59.43 | DogWater | abrotman: although I suppose using vmware I could have it all on one physical machine (if i were to use ghost :-)) |
| 13:59.59 | DogWater | the repo is already somethin like 90GB |
| 14:00.11 | *** join/#debian klausi (n=klausi@p54a60924.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:00.48 | klausi | hi i am having a problem when i try to reboot i get input/output error and my whole file system is readonly suddenly? |
| 14:00.53 | DogWater | the reason we like kickstart is A) because we're lazy and B) because its pretty simple syntax.. like clearpart --all (deletes all partitions) autopart.. etc |
| 14:01.07 | reiser2 | i need to know what file is used to configure keyboard (no dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 14:01.08 | DogWater | i'll look into preseeding.. |
| 14:01.13 | abrotman | DogWater: FAI can do other distros .. and it's prretty simple |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | reiser2: why no dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 14:01.42 | DogWater | if it is as simple as handing off a --preseed-file=debian.cfg at the kernel line when pxe booting than it shouldnt be a big deal |
| 14:01.53 | *** join/#debian Deprecatd (n=brenton@203-206-115-83.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 14:01.57 | *** join/#debian Kleber_ (n=Kleber_@200.168.236.10) |
| 14:02.01 | Kleber_ | hello folks I need help about printing margins on evolution, is there anybody can help me ? |
| 14:02.02 | *** join/#debian Bracki (n=9brauer@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) |
| 14:02.02 | reiser2 | because i need to know what is the file, preparin to certification |
| 14:02.07 | DogWater | well, at least with the release of 4.0 I wont have to install broken versions of 3.1 on my dells anymore haha |
| 14:02.15 | *** join/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54A76807.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:02.15 | reiser2 | http://www.lpi.org/en/lpi/english/certification/the_lpic_program/exam_101_detailed_objectives |
| 14:02.16 | DogWater | god those backports versions were bad |
| 14:02.34 | *** join/#debian Roman123 (n=Roman123@xchg.fiss-oeaw.at) |
| 14:02.56 | Zvpun | I am (non root) user at our comp network, they use debian. When I login using kdm my .bash_profile is not read. The only session I can choose is kde. How can I read the .bash_profile during X login? |
| 14:03.05 | *** join/#debian bahadunn (n=bahadunn@65.75.82.10) |
| 14:03.55 | reiser2 | abrotman: read? |
| 14:04.02 | DogWater | now if i could just convince my boss that we need to start leasing PS3s as dedicated servers.. haha |
| 14:04.35 | reiser2 | hey, yesterday i made a test (i created 250.000 files) |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | reiser2: i did .. |
| 14:04.53 | reiser2 | sorry |
| 14:04.57 | reiser2 | i did made a tes |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | maybe in /etc/console-tools/ ? |
| 14:05.43 | reiser2 | now i want to delet all created files, but i get "Argument list so long" |
| 14:05.44 | fengor | Zvpun: .bash_profile is read when a bash shell is created. so .bash_profile is NEVER read during graphical login |
| 14:06.02 | Gnea | reiser2: i don't see debian in that test |
| 14:06.09 | abrotman | reiser2: though .. if you can't pass this test .. i doubt you'll pass a real test |
| 14:06.19 | Inf3rn0 | What kinda encryption is used for /etc/shadow ? I can't seem to generate the same type of hash myself. |
| 14:06.36 | Gnea | Inf3rn0: it depends what you set it to at installation time |
| 14:06.36 | jelly | Inf3rn0: man 3 crypt |
| 14:06.49 | abrotman | Inf3rn0: it's very likely md5 |
| 14:07.00 | reiser2 | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 14:07.14 | Inf3rn0 | What kinda md5? |
| 14:07.24 | Inf3rn0 | Doesn't match with either b64, hex or raw |
| 14:07.31 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@87-205-187-52.adsl.inetia.pl) |
| 14:07.31 | Zvpun | fengor: .bash_profile is the file one sets environment variables and mounts encrypted images, I need to read it during X and I need to read it once, and in order to set LANG and have a localized kde I need it to read during startup |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | reiser2: i mean you should be able to figure it out without asking us :) |
| 14:07.54 | jelly | Inf3rn0: read than manual page, esp. the "GNU EXTENSION" bit. |
| 14:07.58 | reiser2 | i am no asking |
| 14:07.59 | *** join/#debian ErikRose (n=grinch@client-128-118-185-237.mobility-up.psu.edu) |
| 14:08.00 | Zvpun | fengor: .bash_profile is not read when a bash shell is created, .bashrc is read when an interactive bash is created |
| 14:08.02 | jelly | s/than/that/ |
| 14:08.09 | reiser2 | i want to get info about it |
| 14:08.19 | reiser2 | docs |
| 14:08.22 | Zvpun | fengor: .bash_profile is read if bash is invoked as "-bash" or with the commandline option. |
| 14:09.02 | fengor | Zvpun: man bash |
| 14:09.13 | abrotman | reiser2: /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 14:09.22 | fengor | .bash_profile is read when an interactive login bash shell is spawned |
| 14:09.32 | Zvpun | fengor: I have read the man page. I know exactly what .bash_profile is for |
| 14:09.43 | Zvpun | fengor: its not about interactive it is about LOGIN |
| 14:09.55 | fengor | and since no bash shell of any kind gets spawned when you login via kdm/xdm/gdm/*dm i stand by my statement that it is never executed |
| 14:09.56 | Zvpun | fengor: for interactive shells .bashrc is read |
| 14:09.59 | fengor | Zvpun: then read again |
| 14:10.20 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 14:10.26 | Zvpun | fengor: I know and that is my problem but I need an login shell, so how can i get one during X login? |
| 14:10.50 | Zvpun | fengor: yes you are absolutly right, .bash_profile is not executed, that is my problem :-) |
| 14:11.03 | enouf | Zvpun: which DM? |
| 14:11.10 | Zvpun | what is dm? |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | kdm/gdm/pdm |
| 14:11.16 | fengor | you cant. either dont use graphical login or open up a terminal in you window manager and execute it there |
| 14:11.17 | Zvpun | kdm |
| 14:11.17 | enouf | xdm/kdm/gdm |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | !dm |
| 14:11.18 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 14:11.20 | Zvpun | only session is kde |
| 14:12.04 | fengor | you can try hitting ctrl-alt-f1 to try switching to a console to get a console login prompt |
| 14:12.09 | Zvpun | if i open up a terminal its to late for settings like PATH, eg. if you type F2 in kde you can enter a program to launch if path is not set it wont use the settings you made in bash_profile |
| 14:12.11 | *** join/#debian Hamm (n=hammerlf@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 14:12.11 | fengor | if your system administrator didnt disable that |
| 14:12.14 | *** part/#debian turtle5001 (i=turtle@218-168-71-5.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 14:12.35 | Zvpun | fengor: i need it on X, it works on the ttys |
| 14:13.11 | fengor | Zvpun: if you open a terminal with a bash shell the environmental settings will be set accordingly to your bash startup files |
| 14:13.11 | fengor | if you want to set variables for your window manager please refer to the documentation of that window manager |
| 14:13.24 | massctrl | isn't there a wheel group in debian by default? |
| 14:13.56 | Zvpun | fengor: you mean I should set PATH using some kde mechanism? That would only solve for environment variables, not for the rest in .bash_profile/.profile |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | ah no |
| 14:13.57 | enouf | Zvpun: I've been noticing some settings for many kdm options in /etc/kde3/kdm/ |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | massctrl: wheel is largely a BSD thing |
| 14:14.12 | fengor | you can always take a look at .xinitrc too Zvpun |
| 14:14.17 | enouf | that too |
| 14:14.18 | Zvpun | enouf: I am not root, I cant change /etc |
| 14:14.19 | *** part/#debian earthian (i=earthian@85.206.215.104) |
| 14:14.27 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=tombs@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 14:14.41 | fengor | but basically: why dont you ask your system admin for help? |
| 14:14.45 | Zvpun | fengor: AFAIK .xinitrc is only read if you choose custom as session type but custom is broken here |
| 14:14.52 | massctrl | abrotman: so every user is allowed to su - to root |
| 14:15.00 | Zvpun | fengor: basically because he wont care. |
| 14:15.00 | telmich | Zvpun: it's read when using startx |
| 14:15.00 | tarzeau | if i remove network-manager, i lose the internet connection. why? |
| 14:15.01 | abrotman | if they know the password .. |
| 14:15.14 | reiser2 | if we have a disk with 40GB, this should be /usr with 10GB at least? |
| 14:15.29 | reiser2 | and home with 20GB |
| 14:15.31 | fengor | Zvpun: well then your sol im afraid |
| 14:15.32 | *** join/#debian _go (n=_go@ntkngw302134.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) |
| 14:15.39 | massctrl | abrotman: that's so strange I think,... I mean this gives a way to bruteforce when having an interactive shell |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | massctrl: i suppose you could other tricks with execute permissions .. but probably not a great idea |
| 14:15.41 | Zvpun | fengor: exactly and that sucks |
| 14:15.52 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 14:15.58 | abrotman | massctrl: do you have weak passwords? :) |
| 14:16.01 | reiser2 | i see in all doc that usr need a little space, but when applications are installed, /usr grow |
| 14:16.05 | Zvpun | whats the reason for not reading your profile during X login? |
| 14:16.14 | reiser2 | so i thiunk /usr need huge space |
| 14:16.23 | reiser2 | right? |
| 14:16.25 | *** join/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 14:16.32 | reiser2 | think |
| 14:16.35 | coldsteal | any of u have gaim 2.0 beta 6? |
| 14:16.38 | fengor | because it shouldnt read the profile |
| 14:16.45 | fengor | .bash_profile is only for bash |
| 14:16.51 | fengor | not for X |
| 14:16.55 | abrotman | coldsteal: #gaim ? |
| 14:17.08 | coldsteal | they dont answer my question |
| 14:17.18 | coldsteal | im just tring to get a deb file |
| 14:17.19 | abrotman | are you running Debian ? |
| 14:17.25 | abrotman | !info gaim sid |
| 14:17.28 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-11 (sid), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 14:17.30 | coldsteal | all i can find is rpm |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | guess we don't have beta6 either |
| 14:17.38 | DogWater | ugh, some guy scanned all 65,000 of our public IP addresses and sent over 1000 messages to our abuse department about the microsoft DNS vulnerability |
| 14:17.39 | Zvpun | fengor: .profile isnt read either and there is an entry in /etc/passwd waht your login shell is |
| 14:17.42 | DogWater | sigh |
| 14:17.49 | massctrl | abrotman: ok I know, it's more a theoretical issue. But it supprises me a bit since I'm new to Debian, that this wheel group isn't there by default,.... I mean not having the possibility to bruteforce is even better not,... anyway I will make the wheel group myself |
| 14:17.54 | stew | massctrl: there is a pam_wheel.so but debian doesn't use it by default. the standard advice would be that if you want find grained controls over who can do what as root, use sudo |
| 14:18.01 | stew | ^find^fine |
| 14:18.03 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about pam_wheel :) |
| 14:18.05 | enouf | well .. this is in there /etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup .. and /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc .. Zvpun |
| 14:18.14 | fengor | Zvpun: yes but that is for console based login and doesnt have any relevance to graphical logins |
| 14:18.17 | fengor | as far as i know |
| 14:18.22 | DogWater | freebsd still enforces wheel.. go berkley BSD |
| 14:18.23 | enouf | Zvpun: if you could bet su or root, you could find somethings via "grep -ir /usr/ /etc/kde3/kdm/" |
| 14:18.31 | DogWater | lol |
| 14:18.33 | enouf | s/bet/get |
| 14:18.54 | jetscreamer | didn't debian put the wheel group in recently? |
| 14:19.07 | Zvpun | enouf: I am not root |
| 14:19.14 | DogWater | damn I remember we used to pay for BSD/OS |
| 14:19.18 | DogWater | yikes |
| 14:19.19 | Zvpun | fengor: So what can I do? |
| 14:19.24 | enouf | Zvpun: i understand .. why not? ;-) |
| 14:19.31 | *** join/#debian cklein (n=cklein@p54A4D00F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:19.41 | Zvpun | enouf: I just work here. |
| 14:19.45 | enouf | heh |
| 14:19.57 | fengor | Zvpun: talk to your system adminsitrator |
| 14:20.12 | fengor | if that doesnt help talk to your boss so that he talks to the boss of the sysadmin |
| 14:20.15 | DogWater | or if you're lucky.. your BOFH |
| 14:20.39 | dusty-work | Hey guys what is a good piece of software in Ubuntu (KDE) that I can use to burn .iso images to bootable disks cd and dvd? |
| 14:20.43 | fengor | or you could try to crack the box and gain root. but i heavily advise against it since its commonly enough to get fired |
| 14:20.45 | *** join/#debian frealek (n=nobo@rsbac/documentation/frealek) |
| 14:20.48 | Zvpun | but I still dont get it why there is no way to setup some kind of profile during X login |
| 14:20.55 | DogWater | dusty-work: try #ubuntu |
| 14:21.07 | DogWater | Zvpun: there is a way, you just dont know how. |
| 14:21.13 | DogWater | (neither do I) |
| 14:21.23 | Zvpun | great that helps me a lot |
| 14:21.42 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 14:21.46 | Zvpun | since there seem to be some experts in here its kinda save to assume that there is no way |
| 14:21.48 | *** part/#debian seaGo (n=depreed@host108-150-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:21.56 | cklein | can someone tell me why the "network-manager-vpnc" - package isn't available even in the unstable section ? |
| 14:22.00 | fengor | asi said read the docs for your window manager. kde in that case maybe you'll find something there |
| 14:22.03 | Ronin | Zvpun: or that the person who knows itsn in currently and you need to be patient |
| 14:22.07 | stew | massctrl: actually if you look at /etc/pam.d/su ; enabling wheel looks like just commenting out a line |
| 14:22.14 | *** join/#debian phiki__ (n=leech@p54A2B535.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:22.20 | enouf | dusty-work: k3b? .. but i use growisofs, and wodim .. but ask ubunutu questions in #ubuntu please ;-) |
| 14:22.24 | DogWater | Zvpun: try .xsession |
| 14:22.30 | *** join/#debian conreyt (n=Theron@65.198.151.150) |
| 14:22.31 | DogWater | Zvpun: go look that up on google |
| 14:22.35 | fengor | or .xinitrc |
| 14:22.40 | fengor | might work too |
| 14:22.49 | fengor | although i can never remember which gets called when |
| 14:23.11 | DogWater | <-- never uses the gui |
| 14:23.12 | *** join/#debian kuba_ (n=kuba@acdk89.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:23.16 | massctrl | stew: ok, thanks |
| 14:23.17 | *** join/#debian schme (n=seche@mkb-145-79-209-82.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 14:23.24 | kuba_ | i've got a question: when i copy file using 'cp' what option i have to type if i want to see a status of copying(how much time remaining)??? |
| 14:23.30 | cklein | does nobody deal with vpnc and network-manager ? |
| 14:23.34 | dusty-work | enouf, its not really specific to ubuntu - i just put that in there as extra information. |
| 14:23.36 | enouf | dunno .. the dude talks about enryption and logins, yet doesn't have root privs, .. i'd let it go |
| 14:23.59 | *** join/#debian s (n=s@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com) |
| 14:24.28 | stickybit`_ | Zvpun: may i know why do you want to read .bash_profile during x login? |
| 14:24.56 | Zvpun | stickybit`_: because it contains my profile stuf that has to be setup during login and done only once |
| 14:25.01 | stew | massctrl: be careful in there though, messing with pam can be a very easy way to make it impossible to login to your system |
| 14:25.41 | massctrl | stew: I will, it's a test system anyway, i'm trying to get acquinted with debian,.... fed up with my first love :-p |
| 14:25.42 | stickybit`_ | Zvpun: you better source .bash_profile in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 14:26.11 | enouf | dusty-work: apt-cache search cd ..or similar, there's gnome apps, and kde apps, and they're all frontends to genisoimage (used to be mkisofs) and wodim (used to be cdrecord) and growisofs (in the dvd+rw-tools) which uses dd, and genisoimage |
| 14:26.14 | Zvpun | stickybit`_: I am not root, and since root cant assume that all people use bash root cant source it in Xsession |
| 14:26.16 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 14:26.39 | *** join/#debian bartden (n=bartden@d51520AEB.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:26.43 | stickybit`_ | Zvpun: oh... |
| 14:26.54 | *** join/#debian jnsears (n=jnsears@VPN01-WLAN-0194.VPN.NYU.EDU) |
| 14:27.03 | fengor | Zvpun: but what about your local xsession file? |
| 14:27.14 | kuba_ | i've got a question: when i copy file using 'cp' what option i have to type if i want to see a status of copying(how much time remaining)??? |
| 14:27.22 | stew | massctrl: if you are not familiar with sudo, you should give it a look. it give you much more fine grained control than su, like you can specify exaclty which users can specify which commands as which other users |
| 14:27.32 | Ronin | kuba_: man cp perhaps? |
| 14:27.52 | enouf | kuba_: man cp .. -vv option(s)? |
| 14:27.52 | Zvpun | fengor: AFAIK debian only reads .xsession if you choose custom session and this is broken here. |
| 14:28.09 | *** join/#debian greg_g (n=greg@c-75-72-154-21.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:28.10 | massctrl | stew: yes i'm familiar with sudo on a basic level, i'll check out the advanced topics |
| 14:28.28 | *** join/#debian nyty (n=nyty@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 14:28.41 | enouf | Zvpun: maybe a hint, but for ex; some output of that earlier grep i posted --> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc.dpkg-dist:SessionsDirs=/usr/share/xsessions,/var/lib/menu-xdg/xsessions,/usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions |
| 14:29.03 | *** join/#debian duaneb (n=duaneb@cpe-69-205-54-92.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 14:29.16 | duaneb | hello? |
| 14:29.19 | duaneb | umm |
| 14:29.22 | *** join/#debian techie (n=gus@voip.routedsystems.com) |
| 14:29.23 | duaneb | which cd do I download? |
| 14:29.26 | keksi10 | what best ftp server for debian |
| 14:29.28 | duaneb | out of the twenty? :p |
| 14:29.35 | *** part/#debian techie (n=gus@voip.routedsystems.com) |
| 14:29.39 | enouf | Ronin: heh .. man cp |
| 14:29.41 | enouf | v, --verbose |
| 14:29.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.45 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 14:29.48 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 14:29.48 | *** join/#debian Casius_Dracul (n=Casius_D@cpe-76-179-135-210.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 14:29.54 | Appiah | the one nearest you keksi10 |
| 14:29.57 | Appiah | ;) |
| 14:30.02 | massctrl | New to Debian (but not Linux) I'm disturbed a bit with the cluttered output created by the debian init scripts and apt* tools, ... not because of esthetical reasons but for clarity,.. |
| 14:30.03 | reiser2 | i need to delete 250.000 files |
| 14:30.05 | keksi10 | haha |
| 14:30.14 | reiser2 | but debian tell me i can't |
| 14:30.14 | keksi10 | i was thinked whitch to install in my serv |
| 14:30.36 | reiser2 | Argument lst is so long |
| 14:30.41 | Appiah | what errors when you try to delete these files? |
| 14:30.43 | enouf | !di |
| 14:30.44 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:30.46 | *** join/#debian nyty_ (n=nyty@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 14:30.46 | Ronin | keksi10: vsftpd, proftpd if you must use somethign as insecureas ftp |
| 14:31.01 | enouf | !ig |
| 14:31.02 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:31.10 | dalias | use vsftpd |
| 14:31.15 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@c-67-160-187-88.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 14:31.20 | dalias | all other ftpds have atrocious security records |
| 14:31.23 | enouf | duaneb: ^^^ see what dpkg said |
| 14:31.25 | reiser2 | Appiah: Argument list so long |
| 14:31.34 | dalias | and vsftpd is one of the two or three programs i absolutely trust with respect to security |
| 14:31.37 | keksi10 | ok thnx dude |
| 14:31.48 | Appiah | how do you try to delete this reiser2 ? |
| 14:31.52 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 14:32.07 | dalias | that is, i wouldn't be scared if it were serving public ftp on a machine controlling a nuclear missile base :) |
| 14:32.13 | reiser2 | rm * |
| 14:32.18 | reiser2 | rm -f * |
| 14:32.27 | cklein | ah does nobody know anything about "network-manager-vpnc" ? |
| 14:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 14:32.32 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 14:32.38 | duaneb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
| 14:32.40 | duaneb | which cd? |
| 14:32.45 | duaneb | I'm very confused |
| 14:32.50 | Zvpun | fengor: I tried it using session kde: neither .xsession nor .xinitrc are read (both where chmod a+x) |
| 14:33.08 | duaneb | anyone? :/ |
| 14:33.09 | reiser2 | Appiah: any idea |
| 14:34.00 | Appiah | tried rm -rf ? |
| 14:34.08 | Ronin | duaneb: scroll up, i believe those two posting from dpkg were meant for you |
| 14:34.36 | *** join/#debian HymnToLife (n=fkraiem@LNeuilly-152-23-88-99.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:34.37 | Enverex | reiser2, You need to split it up a bit |
| 14:34.51 | Enverex | reiser2, rm -f a* b* |
| 14:34.57 | Enverex | Do it in bits like that |
| 14:35.10 | fengor | Zvpun: according to http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles .xsession is read by the display manager |
| 14:35.12 | reiser2 | the same i think |
| 14:35.27 | wols_ | reiser2: rm -rf directory/ |
| 14:35.44 | reiser2 | i cant delete all dir |
| 14:35.47 | reiser2 | is my dir |
| 14:35.55 | Casius_Dracul | is there a way to list available dpkg's with apt-get without installing or downloading them? |
| 14:36.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 818] by debhelper |
| 14:36.06 | wols_ | Casius_Dracul: apt-cache |
| 14:36.09 | spikeb | Casius_Dracul, apt-cache |
| 14:36.13 | Casius_Dracul | ok thanks |
| 14:36.15 | Appiah | well if its 250000 files under one dir , try to split it |
| 14:36.21 | Appiah | the deletion |
| 14:36.24 | Appiah | script it ^^ |
| 14:36.31 | wols_ | Casius_Dracul: Casius_Dracul look into aptitude. call it without any arguments |
| 14:36.31 | *** join/#debian magical_trevsky (n=magical@80-45-41-53.static.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 14:36.56 | stew | reiser2: if "rm -f *" gives you "argument list too long" use "echo * | xargs rm -f" |
| 14:37.04 | stew | reiser2: wait |
| 14:37.18 | stew | reiser2: do any of the names have spaces? if so, you have to do something more complex |
| 14:37.35 | stew | (or hard returns, in which case, someone needs a talking to) |
| 14:37.45 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.169.63.117) |
| 14:37.54 | abrotman | stew: is it a policy violation to put conf files in /var/ ? |
| 14:38.10 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 14:38.21 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.169.63.117) |
| 14:38.26 | reiser2 | no spaces |
| 14:38.29 | keksi10 | how i can add users to use vsftpd, bicause server allows anonymous only |
| 14:38.30 | stew | abrotman: no, but they should be symlinked from /etc |
| 14:38.33 | Zvpun | fengor: thats very good documentation, can you try if your .xsession is read? I think it is only read if you choose session type custom |
| 14:38.37 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@158.80-203-128.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:38.42 | abrotman | stew: ah ok |
| 14:38.45 | stew | abrotman: err, maybe it needs to be the other way, but you should definately be able to get to it from /etc |
| 14:38.54 | reiser2 | stew: thanks |
| 14:38.55 | fengor | i have only console machines at my acccess here |
| 14:39.02 | reiser2 | is delete |
| 14:39.16 | stew | abrotman: let me double check though |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | stew: hylafax puts tons of conf files in /etc/ |
| 14:39.30 | abrotman | erm .. /var/ |
| 14:39.33 | fengor | Zvpun: and i really advise you to have a talk with your boss so that he talks to your supervisor. if that hinders your work as much as you tell us |
| 14:39.40 | *** join/#debian ph1L`bnc (n=4397plas@cm56-197-47.liwest.at) |
| 14:40.02 | Zvpun | fengor: I'll follow your advise. |
| 14:40.08 | *** join/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 14:40.27 | Enverex | Sid is happily installed and updated on both my machines now, no issues with either. Yay. |
| 14:40.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah, the config files should be in /etc and symlinks to /etc if they are needed other places |
| 14:40.36 | foo | proftpd: (accepting connections): relocation error: /lib/tls/libnss_dns.so.2: symbol __res_maybe_init, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference ... err, any ideas on this? Google returns this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2005/08/msg00530.html ... and it's the only thing it returns, but I don't see a solution there. |
| 14:40.39 | stew | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.7.2 |
| 14:40.44 | *** join/#debian whatah (i=noname@nylug/member/whatah) |
| 14:40.46 | abrotman | bastard will die! |
| 14:40.59 | reiser2 | stew: what i don't understand why if i created 250.000 files the inode count no go down |
| 14:41.16 | stew | reiser2: are you using reiserfs? |
| 14:41.23 | reiser2 | no |
| 14:41.26 | reiser2 | ext3 |
| 14:41.56 | stew | reiser2: and how are you checking the inode count? |
| 14:42.09 | reiser2 | df -i |
| 14:42.27 | stew | reiser2: i think you know about as much as i do then maybe someone else would know more |
| 14:42.29 | OMFG-Why | any1 here good with classes and functions? i really need sum help with making a few functions into classes - dnt flame me for being in the wrong channel :D |
| 14:42.56 | *** join/#debian joel (n=joel@91.186.10.197) |
| 14:43.05 | *** join/#debian uchitorU (n=user@a213-22-89-112.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 14:43.16 | fengor | then dont ask here OMFG-Why |
| 14:43.20 | stew | OMFG-Why: in fortran or cobol or what? |
| 14:43.26 | joel | any idea chaps, got a high load on a box, but no CPU usage *(really) and a fair amount of idle etc.. |
| 14:43.36 | joel | very strage |
| 14:43.43 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=Rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 14:43.51 | Casius_Dracul | is there a list of addresses I can add to source.list to get more stuff? |
| 14:44.05 | Casius_Dracul | like a site that has a list |
| 14:44.08 | stew | Casius_Dracul: what in particular are you looking for? |
| 14:44.22 | Casius_Dracul | anything |
| 14:44.22 | *** part/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54A76807.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:44.31 | OMFG-Why | stew, php |
| 14:44.37 | stew | OMFG-Why: ask #php |
| 14:44.52 | OMFG-Why | my address is banned suddenly 2day |
| 14:44.53 | stew | OMFG-Why: err ##php |
| 14:45.04 | OMFG-Why | ive never even talked in the channel |
| 14:45.04 | reiser2 | i have to read http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/oss/linux-commentary/vfs-2.html#ss2.2 |
| 14:45.05 | OMFG-Why | lawl |
| 14:45.06 | foo | Apr 19 07:44:51 localhost proftpd: (accepting connections): relocation error: /lib/tls/libnss_dns.so.2: symbol __res_maybe_init, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference - any ideas on this error? |
| 14:45.07 | reiser2 | .) |
| 14:45.19 | stew | OMFG-Why: we can't help you with that, talk to an op in ##php, you can get a list of ops in that channel with /msg ChanServ access ##php list |
| 14:45.40 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 14:45.43 | Casius_Dracul | the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.17 |
| 14:46.01 | wols_ | fengor: is your libc and your proftpds both from debian? |
| 14:46.11 | Casius_Dracul | Xorgs generic nv driver sucks |
| 14:46.20 | wols_ | Casius_Dracul: why for 2.6.17? |
| 14:46.23 | OMFG-Why | ta |
| 14:46.26 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=tscheek@p5092314d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:46.32 | Casius_Dracul | thats what Im running |
| 14:46.35 | wols_ | foo: is your libc and your proftpds both from debian? |
| 14:46.41 | foo | wols_: Yes |
| 14:46.48 | wols_ | foo: etch? |
| 14:46.55 | Casius_Dracul | and I dont want to upgrade it yet for fear of breaking my zd1211 drivers |
| 14:47.18 | wols_ | Casius_Dracul: debian runs 2.6.18, so you're outta luck |
| 14:47.30 | *** join/#debian ubd (n=ubd@85.99.64.158) |
| 14:47.31 | Casius_Dracul | hmm |
| 14:47.40 | foo | wols_: stable. Well, it is supposed to be stable. I think this happened after apt-get upgrade install libc6 |
| 14:47.45 | wols_ | you have to compile them yourselfs with m-a |
| 14:47.52 | *** join/#debian rstanca (n=radu@86.125.228.29) |
| 14:47.55 | Casius_Dracul | maybe I can get the zd1211 drivers for 2.6.18 |
| 14:47.56 | wols_ | foo: what libc6 vresion? |
| 14:48.18 | wols_ | foo: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 14:48.21 | ubd | how can i startup in xfce |
| 14:48.29 | ubd | i have to write startx |
| 14:48.33 | foo | wols_: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 14:48.59 | *** join/#debian Disp (n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 14:49.09 | fengor | wols_: ? |
| 14:49.10 | Casius_Dracul | ubd: change your xinitrc to pint to xfce |
| 14:49.16 | Casius_Dracul | point |
| 14:49.24 | wols_ | fengor: just ignore me :) |
| 14:49.38 | fengor | ah ok, just saw it. nick completion struck again? ;p |
| 14:49.44 | *** join/#debian runa_ (n=sdfas@Linuz.sns.it) |
| 14:49.47 | *** part/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 14:50.15 | *** join/#debian not_a_k (n=krishna@static-71-240-123-178.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:50.15 | runa_ | hi how can i use the joystick as an input device for shortcuts for eg |
| 14:50.28 | fireba11 | runa_: wtf? |
| 14:50.32 | fengor | ubd try startx xfce |
| 14:51.29 | foo | wols_: Weird, eh? I don't know what to blame, debian, or proftpd. Since both are from the repos, debian? hm |
| 14:51.32 | *** join/#debian xn13 (n=d@85.105.112.236) |
| 14:51.32 | *** join/#debian fox|fights|back (i=prower@CPE001a925a5df3-CM00169243ec4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:51.46 | *** part/#debian xn13 (n=d@85.105.112.236) |
| 14:51.54 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host20-223-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:52.24 | *** join/#debian fox|fights|back (i=prower@CPE001a925a5df3-CM00169243ec4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:53.01 | runa_ | fireball : can u tell me how to use it for eg i want to use the joystick to open firefox |
| 14:53.12 | not_a_k | is there a #gpl channel? well i know there isn't a #gpl channel. is there something equivalent? |
| 14:53.12 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 14:53.20 | fireba11 | runa_: why the hell a joystick of all things? |
| 14:53.40 | *** part/#debian slushpupie (n=jay@c-66-41-32-249.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:54.17 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=Mark@c-69-242-187-83.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 14:54.28 | *** join/#debian PingFloyd (n=PingFloy@adsl-69-149-248-169.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) |
| 14:55.50 | runa_ | how can i use the joystick with gnometris |
| 14:56.17 | mandingo | how can I use the joystick to change the channel on my neighbors tv? :) |
| 14:56.36 | foo | wols_: Still with me? |
| 14:56.40 | *** join/#debian Santsant (i=c9e681d4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/linuxpreview.org/x-3cefe7f006418566) |
| 14:56.46 | Santsant | hi o/ |
| 14:56.56 | Santsant | o/ |
| 14:57.35 | *** join/#debian jvm_ (n=jvm@F5612.f.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 14:57.46 | duaneb | ok last time |
| 14:58.05 | duaneb | what cd do I download? |
| 14:58.09 | duaneb | of of the twenty? |
| 14:58.17 | Santsant | a question |
| 14:58.25 | jvm_ | hi. since i upgraded my system to etch cd burning doesn't work anymore, k3b says "opc calculation failed"; here's the debugging output: http://derjulian.net/nopaste?id=141 - any idea why? |
| 14:58.35 | Santsant | how can i get grub into diskett |
| 14:58.36 | fengor | duaneb: the one for your architecture |
| 14:58.42 | duaneb | fengor: no duh |
| 14:58.48 | duaneb | which of the twenty? |
| 14:58.48 | *** join/#debian afflux (i=k@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x6E18D3C4) |
| 14:58.49 | duaneb | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
| 14:58.59 | fengor | that depends what architecture you use |
| 14:59.08 | duaneb | fengor: look at the link |
| 14:59.11 | duaneb | which cd? |
| 14:59.15 | *** join/#debian Maulkin (n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm) |
| 14:59.28 | *** join/#debian Zygentoma (n=Schwach-@L3f85.l.pppool.de) |
| 14:59.30 | fengor | get all 21 |
| 14:59.57 | fengor | i normally just get the netinstall but seems there is no netinstall for the amd64 yet so i'dget all of the normal cds |
| 15:00.09 | Casius_Dracul | ok another question is there a way to use knoppix as a boot disk to get my wireless up and working and do a net install of the latest debian release? |
| 15:00.44 | cklein | is here still no one who knows about network-manager-vpnc plugin for debian ?? |
| 15:00.57 | wols_ | foo: sorta. proftpd vresion? |
| 15:01.10 | foo | wols_: 1.2.10-15sarge4 |
| 15:01.12 | fengor | duaneb: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:01.19 | fengor | there you have a netinstall iso |
| 15:01.21 | *** join/#debian militant (i=militant@12.171.233.104) |
| 15:01.21 | fengor | get that one |
| 15:01.22 | *** join/#debian fox|fights|back (i=prower@CPE001a925a5df3-CM00169243ec4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:01.25 | foo | wols_: I see reports of this on a few google searches, but no solutions, about 6 results |
| 15:01.30 | fengor | dunno why it isnt available over jigdo |
| 15:01.31 | foo | wols_: thanks, hmph |
| 15:01.37 | duaneb | ok |
| 15:01.59 | *** join/#debian Zygentoma (n=Schwach-@L3f85.l.pppool.de) |
| 15:02.01 | duaneb | thanks |
| 15:02.05 | wols_ | foo: duh! you run sarge proftpd and etch libc6 |
| 15:02.11 | fengor | that is if you have network access during isntall. if you have no way to conenct to the internet you still have to go with the 21 set |
| 15:02.16 | wols_ | foo: there are amd64 netinst images |
| 15:02.35 | fengor | we found them wols_ ;) |
| 15:02.49 | foo | wols_: bah. This is on a production server. What should I do? And why did apt-get prompt me to install libc6 if it was going to break things. |
| 15:02.54 | wols_ | Casius_Dracul: debootstrap |
| 15:03.00 | *** join/#debian haxality (n=cactus@c-71-63-51-155.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 15:03.06 | wols_ | foo: you should stop fucking up your updates |
| 15:03.12 | wols_ | especially since it's on a production server |
| 15:03.13 | *** join/#debian seb_ (i=seb@84.4.179.69) |
| 15:03.26 | wols_ | foo: you fucked up here. not apt |
| 15:03.28 | *** join/#debian [lambda] (i=seb@84.4.179.69) |
| 15:03.30 | foo | wols_: uh, what? How could I mess up updates? |
| 15:03.31 | [lambda] | Debian is great, and there is nothing like Debian |
| 15:03.34 | foo | wols_: Also, I'm open to that :) |
| 15:03.37 | *** part/#debian [lambda] (i=seb@84.4.179.69) |
| 15:03.38 | *** join/#debian Petrov (n=Petrov@182.152-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:03.42 | foo | wols_: Is there anyway to fix this? |
| 15:03.44 | Maulkin | ... Quite |
| 15:03.51 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 15:03.51 | *** join/#debian kali67 (n=kali67@64-166-248-25.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 15:03.51 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:04.17 | wols_ | foo: you run etch libc6 and sarge proftpd. etch recently went stable. sarge is oldstable |
| 15:04.31 | wols_ | foo: yes there is. do a proper dist-upgrade |
| 15:04.36 | massctrl | on debian is /etc/profile executed for every user when loggin in interactively by default ? |
| 15:04.40 | *** part/#debian fox|fights|back (i=prower@CPE001a925a5df3-CM00169243ec4c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:04.50 | *** join/#debian Jisao (n=etchian@216.113.17.223) |
| 15:05.00 | foo | wols_: Ah, alright, I remember reading about that. |
| 15:05.02 | fengor | depends on its shell massctrl but regarding bash yes |
| 15:05.14 | foo | !dist-upgrade |
| 15:05.25 | wols_ | !tell foo about msg the bot |
| 15:05.28 | *** join/#debian nipra (n=Nihil@221.135.221.197) |
| 15:05.34 | wols_ | !tell foo about sarge->etch |
| 15:05.37 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 15:05.43 | foo | wols_: gotcha, thanks |
| 15:05.51 | fengor | massctrl: wait its only run for interactive loginshells not for every itneractive |
| 15:06.11 | *** join/#debian Givade (n=Givade@dslc-082-082-071-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:07.02 | massctrl | fengor: hmm it's only executed when loggin in with root, with non root users /etc/profile is not executed |
| 15:07.09 | *** join/#debian roldyx (n=roldyx@190.51.153.61) |
| 15:07.15 | roldyx | hello |
| 15:07.29 | fengor | massctrl: i dont htink its jsut executed for one user either its for every user or non i believe |
| 15:07.34 | roldyx | i have a text file |
| 15:07.48 | fengor | what makes you think it isnt executed for normal users? |
| 15:08.20 | wols_ | !pony roldyx |
| 15:08.28 | fengor | i want a pony too! |
| 15:08.29 | wols_ | no you have a pony AND a text file |
| 15:08.31 | *** part/#debian cklein (n=cklein@p54A4D00F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:08.37 | wols_ | *now |
| 15:08.51 | roldyx | and i want print all rows less the first, i m using awk '{print ...}' |
| 15:10.05 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.6.188.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 15:10.20 | roldyx | how can i do it? |
| 15:10.39 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:10.58 | *** join/#debian kdog (n=kdog@nurnberg.com) |
| 15:11.07 | roldyx | awk '{$2$3$4...$n}' |
| 15:11.19 | *** part/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@213-156-55-130.fastres.net) |
| 15:12.05 | *** join/#debian EvilGuru (n=EvilGuru@witherden.org) |
| 15:12.09 | *** join/#debian hxizan_ (n=hxizan@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 15:12.23 | stew | roldyx: sed 1d < file |
| 15:12.29 | cydork | roldyx: rows? colums? |
| 15:12.39 | roldyx | colums |
| 15:12.52 | stew | oh |
| 15:13.44 | *** join/#debian emong2 (n=gnome@c58-107-223-218.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:13.48 | cydork | roldyx: cut -d"your delimiter here" -f1 filename |
| 15:13.51 | emong2 | Any reason why there are no deb packages of mplayer available? |
| 15:14.03 | cydork | emong2: which version of debian? |
| 15:14.09 | roldyx | cydork: ok |
| 15:14.20 | s | emong2: Licensing issues. |
| 15:14.25 | emong2 | cydork: Any really. |
| 15:14.34 | cydork | !info mplayer etch |
| 15:14.43 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12etch (etch), Packaged size: 4317 kB, Installed size: 9772 kB |
| 15:14.55 | *** join/#debian berzerka (n=bzk@p50894E9F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:14.58 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-178-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 15:15.10 | emong2 | I'm actually after a version that will run on gNewSense, which is a distro based on ubuntu dapper |
| 15:15.14 | cydork | emong2: it's in etch, but not in sarge afaik. |
| 15:15.17 | *** join/#debian Muisje (i=V4C1_100@unaffiliated/Muisje) |
| 15:15.22 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 15:15.22 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:15.31 | *** join/#debian fwtest (n=gbw@62.96.232.229) |
| 15:15.35 | fwtest | hello, which package can provide ftps both implicit and explicit? |
| 15:15.56 | fengor | fwtest: waht do you mean? |
| 15:15.59 | stew | fwtest: what is implicit and explicit? |
| 15:16.02 | emong2 | "You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu," Pfft yes I can, done it before. |
| 15:16.30 | stew | emong2: sorry, we can't help you, we only support debian here, please find a channel specific to your distro |
| 15:16.30 | fengor | emong2: mayeb but dont come here and whine when something is broken |
| 15:16.33 | fwtest | implicit ftps means that the secure connection is already made at the very beginnning |
| 15:16.58 | fwtest | with explicit, the secure connection will be first established after the command AUTH TLS/SSL is sent |
| 15:16.59 | *** join/#debian hid3 (n=hide@mafija.vkt.lt) |
| 15:17.15 | fengor | so do you need a server or a client? |
| 15:17.19 | fwtest | and i am searching an gui client |
| 15:17.29 | fwtest | my gftp cant handle ssl |
| 15:17.35 | *** join/#debian aubade (n=aubade@oh-67-76-153-143.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 15:17.42 | *** join/#debian NefariousPrior (n=nefariou@cpe-72-185-28-118.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 15:17.43 | *** join/#debian torrr (n=ofirg@bzq-88-152-209-236.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:17.46 | torrr | hi |
| 15:18.08 | torrr | how can I know if I need XFT libs on some program or not? |
| 15:18.22 | fwtest | i tried kasablanca, but i cant select between implicit and explicit |
| 15:18.36 | fwtest | so maybe you guys know other gui ftps clients out there |
| 15:18.47 | *** join/#debian m0rbid_ (n=shey@pool-72-88-53-171.bflony.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:18.47 | NefariousPrior | filezilla |
| 15:19.07 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: ^ |
| 15:19.41 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 15:20.00 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, i think about it but unsure wethere to use it or not, since the package is not in the apt source |
| 15:20.13 | fengor | fwtest: i agreee withnefarious for gui filezilla seems a good bet. but you can always do an apt-ache search ftp client and se eif there is another that suits you |
| 15:20.31 | *** join/#debian ^^CatTuX^^ (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 15:20.44 | fwtest | fengor, i search ftps, apt gives me only lftp :( |
| 15:21.19 | foo | You guys all recommend I should be using aptitude instead of apt-get? It's habit to use apt-get, but I think I should be using aptitude |
| 15:21.19 | jelly | fwtest: lftp has a nice featureset, but, as you probably know, it's not gui |
| 15:21.20 | fengor | then search for ftp and client |
| 15:21.31 | wols_ | torrr: man ldd |
| 15:21.38 | dalias | aptitude is way too slow |
| 15:21.52 | fengor | fwtest: maybe not every ftp client has its in its description try with different search terms |
| 15:21.55 | dalias | (apt-get is actually pretty slow too tho..) |
| 15:22.01 | Joelio | apt-get slow? |
| 15:22.08 | Joelio | you want to try using Yum or emerge |
| 15:22.13 | stew | foo: /msg dpkg why aptitude ; it has much better dependency resolution. the searching features are very nice when you need them but i think people generally still use apt-cache for most basic searches becuase its faster |
| 15:22.13 | jelly | foo: aptitude keeps track of atuomatically pulled in dependencies, that was reason enough for me to switch |
| 15:22.14 | dalias | lol |
| 15:22.25 | dalias | classic fallacy |
| 15:22.36 | Joelio | apt-get's the way to go |
| 15:22.37 | reiser2 | Hummm, ReiserFS is not used in Suse now, is disapearing? |
| 15:22.45 | fwtest | i wonder there is so few gui ftps client out there for linux, there are a lots for windows,.. well speaking about security, actually should linux have more |
| 15:22.51 | *** join/#debian Raging_Hog (n=Raging_H@bb-81-175-243-155.cable.phnet.fi) |
| 15:22.53 | *** part/#debian Jisao (n=etchian@216.113.17.223) |
| 15:22.54 | dalias | because X is not as bad as Y, where Y is so unbelievably bad that no one in their right mind would use it, X must be good! |
| 15:22.59 | Joelio | I've been using it for years.. none of this aptitude or synaptic business.. not hurt me |
| 15:23.03 | *** join/#debian fichte (i=cpsbtf@195.227.27.227) |
| 15:23.30 | fengor | fwtest: why should i use a gui ftp client when i can use a command line one? |
| 15:23.30 | *** join/#debian Sniper_jo (n=SniperJo@ANice-151-1-50-106.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:23.34 | dalias | anyway |
| 15:23.37 | Joelio | dalias: apt is built in C - therefore much faster than interpeted bytecode languages like python |
| 15:23.44 | fengor | maybe the reason for the lack of gui ftp clients is that they arent in demand |
| 15:23.50 | fwtest | fengor, because you will have better overview of all your dirs |
| 15:23.52 | Sniper_jo | hi how can i view what debian version i am currently on ? |
| 15:23.56 | dalias | joelio, bad_to_a_lesser_degree != good |
| 15:24.04 | *** join/#debian Hotwire (n=ed@students.card.liberty.ask4.co.uk) |
| 15:24.05 | *** join/#debian juice` (n=juice_@dla197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 15:24.08 | wols_ | !version |
| 15:24.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:24.09 | dalias | apt-get takes a good 10 seconds to start doing anything for me |
| 15:24.17 | dalias | and once it's done, the whole system is swapped |
| 15:24.26 | fengor | fwtest: taht was never an issue for me |
| 15:24.30 | NefariousPrior | dalias: wow, I've never seen that happen. |
| 15:24.37 | Joelio | dalias: All I know is I can dist-upgrade a box in rapid time, apt definitely isn't the bottlenexck, it's usually the bandwidth |
| 15:24.37 | juice` | anybody remembers what option/module i have to compile in kernel, for sar additional information to show |
| 15:24.44 | stew | aptitude is the only supported way of upgrading from woody->sarge and sarge->etch. in fact apt-get wasn't able to handle many woody->sarge upgrades at all |
| 15:24.49 | dalias | nefariousprior, you probably use some 3ghz 4gigram nonsense |
| 15:24.51 | jelly | dalias: get more memory. Reduce the number of repositories. optimize it. |
| 15:25.01 | stew | aptitude's dependency resolution is far far superior |
| 15:25.08 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:620f) |
| 15:25.12 | NefariousPrior | dalias: 2.2 Celron with 256M heh |
| 15:25.16 | Sniper_jo | how can i test i upgraded properly from sarge to etch ? |
| 15:25.23 | dalias | more memory = more power during suspend = half the batt life during suspend |
| 15:25.34 | Joelio | dalais: maybe it's a DNS resolution thing if you're apt-get update -ing |
| 15:25.40 | fwtest | fengor, but anyway the client ftp does not support implicit ftps also |
| 15:25.48 | dalias | joelio, no, it's processing the package database |
| 15:25.51 | fwtest | fengor, i meant cli ftp client |
| 15:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 824] by debhelper |
| 15:26.08 | fengor | which one of the dozen that are available on debian? |
| 15:26.17 | *** join/#debian coredata` (n=coredata@82-34-216-76.cable.ubr08.gill.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:26.20 | jelly | dalias: talk about logical fallacies, isn't changing the subject one of them? |
| 15:26.26 | dalias | i mean it's usable. less bad than gentoo or some shit for sure |
| 15:26.31 | dalias | but still painful |
| 15:26.38 | juice` | anybody remembers what option/module i have to compile in kernel, for sar additional information to show? |
| 15:26.57 | Joelio | dalias: you must be the only person I know out of all the debain and general linux community I know with that mindset |
| 15:27.00 | NefariousPrior | juice`: sar ? |
| 15:27.09 | juice` | this command from sysstan package |
| 15:27.12 | dalias | joelio, which mindset? |
| 15:27.20 | *** join/#debian Deepa|AFK (i=deepa@abused.armchairs.be) |
| 15:27.26 | Joelio | dalias: perhaps if your enumerating a massive metapackage that can take time, but there's no getting around that |
| 15:27.28 | dalias | being unhappy about slow apps swapping? |
| 15:27.32 | *** join/#debian cevizuser (n=cevizuse@193.255.128.109) |
| 15:27.35 | NefariousPrior | juice`: Have you tried searching at http://packages.debian.org/ ? |
| 15:27.39 | Joelio | dalias: unhappy about apt |
| 15:27.47 | juice` | NefariousPrior: searching what? |
| 15:27.58 | juice` | NefariousPrior: i don't need to search it, i have it installed :) |
| 15:28.02 | NefariousPrior | juice`: search for sar |
| 15:28.09 | juice` | why would i need to search for sar? |
| 15:28.10 | NefariousPrior | I'm confused. |
| 15:28.13 | dalias | joelio, i'm not unhappy about apt. just about its performance |
| 15:28.17 | juice` | i've got sysstat package |
| 15:28.18 | *** join/#debian kerouac (i=kerouac@smoke.dope.org) |
| 15:28.21 | Joelio | that's what I mean |
| 15:28.21 | juice` | which inclused sar |
| 15:28.29 | juice` | but sar -X needs some additional kernel module compiled in |
| 15:28.41 | jelly | dalias: you were given suggestions about improving performance. |
| 15:28.41 | juice` | i would like to know, which module it is.. .can't find it anywhere |
| 15:28.43 | *** part/#debian rhododendron (n=rhododen@wikipedia/Rhododendronbusch) |
| 15:28.49 | *** join/#debian floundering (n=daddy@202.134.251.153) |
| 15:28.58 | NefariousPrior | juice`: Ok, I understnad now, but have no idea what that is. sorry |
| 15:29.01 | dalias | joelio, i suspect debian users running 486's or so (which do exist!) are quite a but more upset than me about the performance |
| 15:29.15 | dalias | jelly, oh i must have missed them |
| 15:29.16 | juice` | no problem, thanks anyway :) maybe anyone else has an idea? |
| 15:29.19 | cevizuser | i have vps server (installed debian). where mysql configration file in path (need mysql root password) thanks |
| 15:29.22 | dalias | or did you mean "add memory" ? |
| 15:29.25 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, filezilla doesnt support client authentication :( |
| 15:29.31 | dalias | "add memory" is not a very viable solution |
| 15:29.40 | Joelio | dalais: when I ran debian on a 486 it was slow, yes, but so was everything else.. it's a 486 for christs sake |
| 15:29.50 | fengor | fwtest: but if there isnt a client that supports your needs you are awlays welcome to extend an existing one. such is the power and freedom of gpl |
| 15:29.51 | *** join/#debian turtle5001 (i=turtle@218-167-97-197.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 15:29.52 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: Yes it does. Go to the manage servers button thingy. |
| 15:30.12 | kerouac | hi all, I just got a box with a fresh install of debian 3.1, and i'm wondering if anyone has had any issues with with an apt upgrade to 4.0 , before i give it a go |
| 15:30.30 | jelly | dalias: are you trying to solve an issue, or to find reasons why it can't at least mitigated somewhat? |
| 15:30.45 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, i am there, but cant find anywhere, where i can put my certificate |
| 15:30.54 | *** join/#debian skiold (n=userid@84.121.91.161.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 15:31.02 | fwtest | fengor, i am not good at programming :( |
| 15:31.09 | dalias | jelly, well i dont know any way to solve it. i think the limiting factor is the database structures (or lack thereof) used in the package tracking |
| 15:31.27 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: I'm in windows at the moment and the versions vary. Not sure. |
| 15:31.37 | dalias | but i don't know the code |
| 15:31.39 | dalias | so i may be very wrong |
| 15:31.49 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, ant i am using 3.0.0 beta :( |
| 15:31.50 | Joelio | dalias: do you know much about dpkg? |
| 15:31.52 | stew | dalias: the package dependency graph takes about 30mb of memory. the way to avoid that is to use a different distro that doens't have as many packages |
| 15:32.06 | dalias | hmm |
| 15:32.09 | jelly | dalias: how much memory and which cpu does the system in question have? How many sources.list entries? |
| 15:32.10 | dalias | here's an dea |
| 15:32.25 | disasm | jelly: in regards to apt-get and aptitude, I may be wrong, but my assumption was if I installed some app that depended on libsdl, and then I removed that app, it would pull the library as well, which I don't want it to do, that would mean my apps I compile that depend on libsdl would break, and with apt-get autoremove, if I want to clean up dependencies, I can now |
| 15:32.28 | dalias | is there a way to make apt-get grep-out certain packages when it pulls the package list? |
| 15:32.32 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 15:32.32 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 15:32.35 | dalias | e.g. remove everything with gnome/kde in it |
| 15:32.38 | foo | jelly: yeah, me too. I remember that from many moons ago. |
| 15:32.44 | dalias | that would shrink the graph quite a bit :) |
| 15:32.57 | *** join/#debian dfa001 (n=dfa@unaffiliated/dfa001) |
| 15:32.59 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: Not seeing any certificate stuff even in the windows version. Didn't know you were looking for that as an option. |
| 15:33.11 | *** join/#debian gumpish (n=gumpish@natsci-mac32.ns.utexas.edu) |
| 15:33.27 | dalias | disasm, if you compiled your own apps based on libsdl, you must have manually requested the libsdl-devel package |
| 15:33.28 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, by saying there is client authentication, what do you mean by that? |
| 15:33.39 | dalias | in which case that depends on libsdl, so libsdl won't get removed |
| 15:33.40 | disasm | dalias: apt-get --purge remove ".*gnome*" i think will remove all gnome packages |
| 15:33.45 | gumpish | So, is it possible to search package descriptions for more than one keyword using packages.debian.org ? |
| 15:33.56 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, what i meant with client authentication, is that for purpose, the ftp server needs client to be authenticated |
| 15:33.57 | disasm | dalias: that is true, so I guess that breaks down there |
| 15:33.59 | dalias | disasm, i was talking about omitting them from the package database to make apt/aptitude faster |
| 15:34.00 | Enverex | That's odd, the nVidia driver is saying I don't have the kernel sources for the running kernel installed but I have kernel headers that match the running kernel installed, isn't that normally enough? |
| 15:34.02 | fengor | fwtest: take al lok at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FTP_clients |
| 15:34.02 | *** join/#debian chrismortimore (n=chris@85-210-128-168.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 15:34.03 | stew | dalias: if you use aptitude, and install something that pulls in libsdl, it is marked as "auto-installed" any time aptitude finds packages marked as "auto-installed" that have no reverdse dependencies installed it will be removed. if it still has reverse dependencies installed it won't get auto-removed of course |
| 15:34.10 | stew | disasm: ^^^ |
| 15:34.14 | dalias | atlas95_cours, yes i know |
| 15:34.21 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: I wasn't thinking. Sorry. lol I must be out of it. |
| 15:34.22 | dalias | errm stew |
| 15:34.23 | fwtest | fengor, hey, nice, thanks |
| 15:34.26 | foo | Hm, I am upgrading from sarge->etch, and I was wondering if I should upgrade my 2.6-8-2-386 kernel, or if that'll be ok |
| 15:34.26 | *** join/#debian Mtraker (n=Elive_us@181.Red-80-37-145.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:34.31 | *** part/#debian Mtraker (n=Elive_us@181.Red-80-37-145.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 15:34.32 | fengor | maybe you have luck finding a suitable client there byc heckign which clients run under linux and suport ftp over ssl |
| 15:34.38 | stew | foo: please read the release notes: /msg dpkg etch |
| 15:34.47 | kerouac | stew: thanks! |
| 15:34.48 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, which option do you have in windows version about client auth? |
| 15:34.59 | jelly | disasm: two solutions: either package the stuff you built with correct dependencies, or aptitude unmarkauto libsdlwhatever |
| 15:35.02 | chrismortimore | hey, is anyone getting GPG errors when trying to use etch/volatile? |
| 15:35.11 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-223-97.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 15:35.17 | fwtest | fengor, what i miss on that wiki page is the os needed |
| 15:35.18 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: None, I was mistaken. |
| 15:35.20 | foo | stew: I am, I'm just confused. The udev version in etch does not support kernel versions earlier than 2.6.15 (which includes sarge 2.6.8 kernels), ... is what it says, so does that mean I ned 2.6.15 or later ? I was just thinking, that seems pretty new for debian, I think. |
| 15:35.26 | stew | foo: and if your question about whether to use apt-get or aptitude was in relation to upgrading from sarge->etch, then without a doubt you need to be using aptitude, read the release notes |
| 15:35.27 | disasm | stew: I guess I just don't want apt to be more intelligent than I am, pulling in dependencies is great, but automatically removing those dependencies I'm not so keen on |
| 15:35.40 | *** join/#debian dps (n=dps@172.64.30.213.rev.vodafone.pt) |
| 15:35.45 | foo | stew: oh, yeah, I see that. It was more in general :) |
| 15:35.48 | dalias | disasm, i explained why it's not really a problem... |
| 15:35.50 | dps | Hello |
| 15:35.51 | fwtest | fengor, ahh yes it does have |
| 15:35.52 | dalias | btw |
| 15:36.25 | disasm | jelly: that implies I'm packaging my code ;-) I haven't gotten that far yet, I'm just starting to play with autotools rather than my own custom Makefiles |
| 15:36.25 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 15:36.26 | dalias | aptitude has a config option to select whether you want to auto-remove unneeded packages |
| 15:36.26 | fengor | check the table operating system support, note any client that runs unde rlinux then go down to thee table protocol support and check the noted clients against ftp |
| 15:36.26 | fengor | ftps |
| 15:36.26 | stew | disasm: this is a feature of aptitude, not apt-get, and it shoudln't be able to mess you up, it won't remove stuff unless its no longer needed. but this functionality can be disabled if for some reason you don't want it |
| 15:36.26 | dps | I installed php5 on debian 4 and i still get /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 15:36.33 | dps | any clues? |
| 15:36.52 | dps | i did apt-get install php5 |
| 15:36.54 | gumpish | So searching package descriptions for more than one keyword is a technical feat only possible for multinational corporations with bottomless coffers? |
| 15:36.57 | stew | foo: yes, udev in etch only supports 2.6.15 or later. this does not mean that your 2.6.8 kernel will be unusable in etch, it just means that when you are booted to your 2.6.8 kernel in etch, udev will be disabled |
| 15:37.05 | dalias | jelly, sources.list is just sid main, nothing else. system is 700 mhz p3, 128 megs ram |
| 15:37.06 | fwtest | fengor, |
| 15:37.10 | fengor | dps: does /usr/bin/php exists on your system? |
| 15:37.14 | *** part/#debian aubade (n=aubade@oh-67-76-153-143.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 15:37.18 | dps | fengor: nope |
| 15:37.28 | foo | stew: oh, ok, thanks. udev, hmm, is that for hot plugging devices? I forget if I need that, but I can check, thanks |
| 15:37.44 | fwtest | fengor, isnt it strange on that site? there is difference between FTP over SSH and SFTP, i thought it is the same |
| 15:37.44 | stew | dps: it would be /usr/bin/php5, not /usr/bin/php |
| 15:37.44 | fengor | then do: which php |
| 15:37.45 | hark | dps: you installed the -cli package? |
| 15:37.54 | dps | cli? no |
| 15:37.54 | disasm | stew: out of curiosity, if I did aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, and then did removed it using aptitude would it remove everything it installed, or because it's a metapackage would it leave everything there? If so, that itself might be reason enough for me to try it |
| 15:37.55 | fengor | and correct the #! lien of your script |
| 15:38.06 | dalias | jelly, do you know if there's any way to hook the package list updating (apt-get update) so that it removes all packages matching a regex? :) that would easily cut the tree size in half |
| 15:38.09 | *** part/#debian emong2 (n=gnome@c58-107-223-218.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:38.10 | dps | fengor: i will look at the cli package |
| 15:38.25 | *** part/#debian cevizuser (n=cevizuse@193.255.128.109) |
| 15:38.28 | stew | foo: it does lots of stuff, but in general it is for maintaining your /dev directory so that it reflects the actual devices on your system, and gives you the ability to attach actions to hotplug events |
| 15:38.39 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@p549584E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:38.47 | foo | stew: Gotcha, I don't know if that'll be needed on a server |
| 15:38.54 | fengor | fwtest: sftp is the ssh file transfer protocol and ftps is ftp over ssl two different things |
| 15:39.15 | fwtest | fengor, i didnt say ftps |
| 15:39.18 | Joelio | diasm: ask the kubuntu channel ;) |
| 15:39.23 | stew | disasm: yes, everything that was pulled in by a metapacakge woudl be removed by default if you remove the meta-pacakge. if you want to keep some of it, you can unmark some of the packages to exempt them from removal |
| 15:39.40 | fwtest | fengor, "there is difference between FTP over SSH and SFTP, i thought it is the same" |
| 15:39.47 | fengor | oh right i misread fwtest |
| 15:40.03 | Joelio | I find sftp to be awfully slow, scp is much faster i.m.h.o. |
| 15:40.09 | fwtest | fengor, if you see the site, there are column for FTP over SSH, and a column for SFTP, that is stupid |
| 15:40.11 | fengor | well ftp over ssh is a normal ftp conenction tunneled over ssh and sftp is the ssh file transfer protocol. 2 different kind of things |
| 15:40.13 | disasm | Joelio: I think they'd stone me ;-) |
| 15:40.18 | stew | foo: in general it wouldnt' be, however the default initrd creator for 2.6 is initramfs-tools which relies on udev. if you are using an initrd kernel (a stock kernel for instance) you either have to use initramfs+udev or (the no longer maintained) yaird |
| 15:40.27 | Joelio | :D |
| 15:40.33 | fwtest | fengor, aha, so they are not the same? |
| 15:40.41 | fengor | fwtest: no they are not the same |
| 15:41.02 | jelly | dalias: no idea, sorry. :-) but I must say, when a friend lent me a 256MB module for my P3/500 notebook, the machine just flew ;-) |
| 15:41.05 | fengor | in ftp over ssh you make a normal ftp connection over a secured ssh connection and sftp is a protocol of its own |
| 15:41.13 | fengor | which doesnt need to be tunneled |
| 15:41.14 | Joelio | sftp is like https (using ssl stuff) |
| 15:41.25 | Joelio | ftp over ssh is exactly what it says on the tin |
| 15:41.25 | fwtest | fengor, i see |
| 15:41.30 | fwtest | Joelio, no, it would be ftps |
| 15:41.39 | *** join/#debian jones- (i=siovene@nat/movial/x-7f13aad976233077) |
| 15:41.39 | foo | stew: ah, ok |
| 15:41.39 | jones- | Hello. |
| 15:41.39 | Joelio | sorry yes |
| 15:41.40 | jones- | Can you please look at this? http://rafb.net/p/6Qyg4l72.html |
| 15:41.47 | jones- | I really can't see what's wrong. |
| 15:42.01 | *** join/#debian kdean06 (n=kdean06@unaffiliated/kdean06) |
| 15:42.02 | jones- | (context is Debian Unstablr) |
| 15:42.12 | disasm | Joelio: I thend to be a bit of gtk zealot, hence the removing kubuntu-desktop example ;-) about the only good thing kde has is k3b, and that isn't worth installing all the qt/kde libs ;-) |
| 15:42.13 | jones- | Look at the version numbers: they seem ok. |
| 15:42.20 | disasm | err s/thend/tend |
| 15:42.32 | stew | foo: the other option, of course is to build a custom kernel that doesn't need an initrd |
| 15:42.36 | Joelio | disasm is there not just a kde-lib package? |
| 15:42.49 | foo | stew: I see |
| 15:42.54 | disasm | Joelio: k3b pulls in kde-base... ick... |
| 15:43.13 | Joelio | disasm: nasty! it really doesn't need it |
| 15:43.17 | fwtest | fengor, but sftp use ssh stuff or? |
| 15:43.17 | NefariousPrior | fwtest: Does this help you at all ? --> http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ |
| 15:43.30 | disasm | Joelio: I'll get by with cdrecord until a gtk burning program comes around |
| 15:43.41 | Joelio | disasm: had the same thing in Gentoo before when emerging K3b, but you can mask the package to just build the kdelibs |
| 15:43.46 | disasm | Joelio: who knows, I may even write one |
| 15:43.47 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c211-28-150-227.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:43.49 | fengor | sftp is a very own protocol |
| 15:43.53 | Joelio | disasm: gnomebaker? |
| 15:44.11 | fwtest | NefariousPrior, i was there already |
| 15:44.14 | disasm | Joelio: It didn't really grow on me |
| 15:44.17 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 15:44.34 | Joelio | disasm: Doesn't have the nero-like ability- I agree |
| 15:44.44 | *** part/#debian turtle5001 (i=turtle@218-167-97-197.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 15:44.46 | disasm | Joelio: of course it's been a few years since last time I tried it, so I can't criticize it too much |
| 15:44.48 | *** join/#debian Shisui (i=chris@AAmiens-152-1-90-37.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:44.51 | Inf3rn0 | How can I give a specific use read access to a file? |
| 15:44.55 | Inf3rn0 | *user |
| 15:45.03 | fwtest | fengor, but doesnt it use ssh protocol? |
| 15:45.06 | fwtest | ah ok |
| 15:45.34 | fengor | fwtest: In computing, the SSH File Transfer Protocol or SFTP is a network protocol that provides file transfer and manipulation functionality over any reliable data stream. It is typically used with the SSH-2 protocol to provide secure file transfer, but is intended to be usable with other protocols as well. |
| 15:45.49 | fwtest | fengor, read that on wiki =) |
| 15:46.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 821] by debhelper |
| 15:46.03 | fengor | so the answer is yes it can use ssh, but it can use other protocols too |
| 15:46.07 | *** part/#debian chrismortimore (n=chris@85-210-128-168.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 15:46.35 | fwtest | thanks a lot |
| 15:46.45 | *** join/#debian chafe (n=chafe@yoda.tcc.fl.edu) |
| 15:47.27 | *** join/#debian pihhan (n=pihhan@pihhan.cipis.net) |
| 15:47.57 | Joelio | disasm: Xcdroast? |
| 15:48.20 | *** join/#debian infernix (i=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 15:48.21 | foo | Hm, per the etch docs, what is "an etch kernel" ? |
| 15:48.23 | *** join/#debian AngusRF (n=Angus@p5491498A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:48.47 | jetscreamer | k3b |
| 15:48.54 | jetscreamer | !k3b |
| 15:48.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k3b is A sophisticated KDE cd burning application, or k3b.sf.net, or 'teh uber'! |
| 15:49.12 | jm|work | *coughrubbishcough* |
| 15:49.27 | Joelio | disasm: Basero look cool |
| 15:49.29 | disasm | Joelio: been a while since I looked at that one as well, maybe I should give it another try sometime |
| 15:49.43 | disasm | Joelio: basero? |
| 15:50.15 | *** join/#debian hron (n=hron@mm-183-245-209-82.adsl.mgts.by) |
| 15:51.07 | kdean06 | Every DE or desktop shell has strong and weak points. When you care not about bloat, only using the best applications for the job, there's no reason not to have everything installed. :) |
| 15:51.20 | disasm | Joelio: or fluxbox ;-) |
| 15:51.26 | Joelio | very true |
| 15:51.28 | dalias | kdean06, ..... |
| 15:51.29 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=dudeman@cpe-24-90-21-26.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 15:52.05 | dalias | why would you have useless crap installed? |
| 15:52.08 | dalias | just to waste disk space, upgrade time, etc? |
| 15:52.08 | kdean06 | dalias, I don't know. Nothing on my system is useless. Bloated, yes, but not useless. |
| 15:52.08 | *** join/#debian concept10 (n=concept1@ppp-70-247-165-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 15:52.16 | dalias | kde and gnome are useless |
| 15:52.19 | dalias | there are a few mildly useful apps which depend on the libs :( |
| 15:52.26 | dalias | but the environments themselves are utterly useless |
| 15:52.27 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@a61.laz.rv.studentenwohnheim-bw.de) |
| 15:52.29 | pettern | any suggestions to how i can fix this problem? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=64739#64739 |
| 15:52.50 | fireba11 | f |
| 15:52.55 | disasm | dalias: what's your preference? |
| 15:53.05 | dalias | ? |
| 15:53.24 | disasm | dalias: window environment |
| 15:53.26 | kdean06 | Probably a raw xterm, it works well for many people... |
| 15:53.30 | kdean06 | Yeah. :) |
| 15:53.34 | dalias | kdean06, yes |
| 15:53.39 | Inf3rn0 | How can I grant a specific user (not everybody) read only access to a file? |
| 15:53.40 | dalias | actually |
| 15:53.50 | dalias | my "window environment" is gnu screen :) :) :) |
| 15:53.50 | Enverex | Erm, is the official Flash player in any of the repos? |
| 15:53.58 | stoned | thats not a window env. |
| 15:54.02 | disasm | dalias: lol ;-) |
| 15:54.02 | sword | kdean06: you boot up X for a damn xterm? What's the point? Talk about bloat... |
| 15:54.12 | pettern | Enverex: non-free |
| 15:54.14 | stoned | using quotes doesn't make it funny |
| 15:54.23 | dalias | sword, to launch other apps |
| 15:54.26 | disasm | dalias: you don't use X? I use screen heavily, but inside aterm running fluxbox ;-) |
| 15:54.26 | dalias | like iceweasel |
| 15:54.29 | stoned | screen is screen. screen > * |
| 15:54.29 | Enverex | pettern, That's weird, I don't seem to be able to find it |
| 15:54.30 | dalias | xdvi |
| 15:54.32 | dalias | etc |
| 15:54.42 | *** join/#debian ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-61-82-250-70-37.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 15:54.48 | militant | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=64739#64739 is pretty lulz. the english is cute, and the technical content is rofl. /me lollerskates around the channel |
| 15:54.59 | kdean06 | sword, I tend to run E17. I like a GUI on my desktops. |
| 15:55.04 | dalias | but all my important stuff (emacs, mutt, etc.) is in screen |
| 15:55.10 | *** join/#debian marcels (i=mstoop@xs2.xs4all.nl) |
| 15:55.30 | disasm | kdean06: how is E17? I haven't taken a look at it yet |
| 15:55.37 | *** join/#debian regis1 (n=regis@regis.no-ip.com) |
| 15:55.40 | pettern | Enverex: its named flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:56.02 | berzerka | how can i monitor bandwith usage on a network interface? |
| 15:56.08 | berzerka | width |
| 15:56.19 | stew | berzerka: iptraf |
| 15:56.22 | kdean06 | disasm, Like everything else, some good, some bad. It has the best dual screen handling I've used. it's not as "connected" as Gnome/KDE, which means it's also not as "bloated". |
| 15:56.31 | *** join/#debian yoshi1 (n=yoshio@h4606faeb.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:56.39 | disasm | berzerka: ntop |
| 15:56.43 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=pppoe_du@unaffiliated/blimpdude) |
| 15:56.46 | berzerka | thx! |
| 15:56.51 | Enverex | pettern, Nope, not there... |
| 15:56.57 | disasm | kdean06: that's a good thing(tm) |
| 15:56.58 | *** join/#debian Shadur_ (n=shadur@89.20.64.132) |
| 15:57.01 | Enverex | pettern, (I have main, contrib and non-free) |
| 15:57.05 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 15:57.49 | disasm | kdean06: is it in feisty? |
| 15:57.51 | *** join/#debian kevinl-- (n=kevinl@64-35-128-34.gohighspeed.com) |
| 15:57.55 | kevinl-- | /j# suse |
| 15:57.56 | kdean06 | I have no idea. |
| 15:57.58 | kevinl-- | er |
| 15:58.02 | kdean06 | I don't use Ubuntu. |
| 15:58.15 | kdean06 | I know it's not in Dapper, because it's not in gNewSense. |
| 15:58.17 | sword | kdean06: So, you boot up a WM to manage two screens to deal with a tiny xterm that runs screen and emacs? Bahaha. |
| 15:58.19 | disasm | oh, I'm in the wrong channel ;-) |
| 15:58.33 | disasm | is it in etch ;-) |
| 15:58.45 | pettern | Enverex: and its updated? |
| 15:58.56 | disasm | too many irssi windows :-P |
| 15:59.31 | kdean06 | disasm, I don't know, honestly. Probably not. I compile it from CVS because the development on it is still fairly rapid. There's a script that I use to do it... It's quicker than doing it by hand. |
| 15:59.31 | Enverex | pettern, Yeah, just did it again just in case and it's still not there |
| 16:00.10 | *** join/#debian flodine (n=flodine@c-24-4-174-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:00.18 | *** join/#debian delire (n=delire@88.134.80.99) |
| 16:00.22 | pettern | Enverex: might be a problem with your mirror? |
| 16:00.43 | Enverex | pettern, Maybe, I'm using the official ftp uk ubuntu one |
| 16:00.47 | Enverex | I'll try another |
| 16:00.57 | Ronin | Enverex: umm ubuntu? theres your problem |
| 16:00.59 | pettern | im using the norwegian mirror |
| 16:01.14 | pettern | ubuntu:) |
| 16:01.17 | foo | Hm, per the etch docs, what is "an etch kernel" ? It says: "Debian kernels no longer include support for devfs, so devfs users will need to convert their systems manually before booting an etch kernel." |
| 16:01.47 | Enverex | Ronin, erm, lol |
| 16:01.47 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@213-156-55-130.fastres.net) |
| 16:01.47 | Enverex | Ronin, Debian even |
| 16:01.51 | pettern | militant: nice to see i can make someone laugh |
| 16:01.55 | Enverex | Ronin, Sorry, was just talking to someone else about it |
| 16:02.00 | kdean06 | foo, I'd assume that means the 2.8.18 kernel in the "Etch" repo. |
| 16:02.06 | kdean06 | Sorry, 2.6.18 |
| 16:02.07 | kdean06 | :S |
| 16:02.08 | Ronin | uh huh, so who here beleved that? |
| 16:02.24 | *** join/#debian mrfan (n=mrfan@lugbari/people/mrfan) |
| 16:02.26 | Enverex | pettern, I dropped uk out of the url so I'll see if this one (ftp.debian.org) works |
| 16:03.11 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 16:03.15 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@a61.laz.rv.studentenwohnheim-bw.de) |
| 16:03.16 | foo | kdean06: aha, ok |
| 16:03.17 | reiser2 | hi |
| 16:03.18 | foo | thanks |
| 16:03.26 | foo | reiser2: I don't talk to murders |
| 16:03.36 | reiser2 | i am trying to use quota, but when i make quotaon -a |
| 16:03.43 | Enverex | pettern, It's still not there! lol |
| 16:03.49 | reiser2 | quotaon: device occupied |
| 16:03.57 | Ronin | Enverex: pastebin your source.list |
| 16:03.59 | reiser2 | murders? |
| 16:04.09 | Enverex | pettern, I have flashron, flashybrid, libflash0c2 and a few others. 1 sec |
| 16:04.10 | reiser2 | foo: what you say? |
| 16:04.12 | abrotman | Enverex: please don't use ftp.debian.org directly |
| 16:04.26 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 16:04.26 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 16:04.27 | Enverex|LT | abrotman, It was a check to see if the mirror was broken |
| 16:04.35 | Enverex|LT | abrotman, Stop preaching, it was a test |
| 16:04.39 | stew | foo: drop that entire line of conversation about murderers |
| 16:04.40 | hark | pebkac |
| 16:04.46 | stew | reiser2: ignore foo's murderer comment |
| 16:04.53 | abrotman | Enverex|LT: it's not preaching .. it's consideration |
| 16:05.07 | reiser2 | stew: but i want to know why he told me that |
| 16:05.09 | *** join/#debian Codename_PBLP (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:05.22 | kdean06 | reiser2, May I PM you? |
| 16:05.23 | reiser2 | the only think i kill are..... Process |
| 16:05.25 | *** join/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 16:05.36 | reiser2 | kdean06: yes |
| 16:05.40 | foo | stew: hehe, yeah, ok, not funny. |
| 16:05.43 | *** join/#debian Wolfete (n=alvaro@dhcp27.pg.infn.it) |
| 16:05.51 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 830] by debhelper |
| 16:06.03 | foo | reiser2: My apologies - not really a funny joke, considering I've seen him in person. Apologies |
| 16:06.21 | Enverex | Ronin, http://pastebin.ca/448325 |
| 16:06.40 | Enverex | Ronin, Keep in mind the current mirror or lack of was just to see if the mirror I was using was missing files |
| 16:06.59 | reiser2 | i feel bad when this morning i read bad |
| 16:07.15 | Braindead | Enverex: that's what OTHER mirrors are for |
| 16:07.15 | reiser2 | what happen? who knows |
| 16:07.17 | *** join/#debian joeljkp (n=joeljkp@ws234-49.walker.dynamic.msstate.edu) |
| 16:07.18 | *** join/#debian ^^CatTuX^^ (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:07.37 | Enverex | Braindead, Yes but there was a chance that a few could be dodgy so for the sake of wasting less time, I went to the source |
| 16:07.47 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 16:08.00 | Muisje | is there a way to restore files that got delete? |
| 16:08.03 | abrotman | Enverex: as an FYI .. one of those mirrors was messed up yesterday :) |
| 16:08.04 | Muisje | On debian sarge 3.11 |
| 16:08.13 | Braindead | Muisje: on which file system? |
| 16:08.23 | joeljkp | a quick question about cron: are /etc/cron.daily/ etc. still supposed to work? i'm looking in /etc/crontab, and the lines that run these /etc/cron.daily/* files are looking for /usr/sbin/anacron, which isn't installed in debian by default |
| 16:08.24 | *** join/#debian nyty (n=nyty@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 16:08.42 | Muisje | i suppose ext2 |
| 16:08.42 | *** join/#debian sharingos (n=asijdo@82.84.135.52) |
| 16:08.43 | Enverex | abrotman, Yeah, I selected a .ac one on the install CD and about 7 in every 8 files were missing :/ |
| 16:08.44 | sharingos | hi |
| 16:08.44 | Muisje | not 100% sure |
| 16:08.52 | reiser2 | well |
| 16:08.55 | sharingos | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.59 | Braindead | Muisje: anyway: ext2:possible and likely. ext3: you're pretty much screwed |
| 16:09.02 | reiser2 | i am trying to use quota, but when i make quotaon -a |
| 16:09.11 | kdean06 | joeljkp, Anacron is installed on my Etch system, I've not added it myself. |
| 16:09.13 | abrotman | Enverex: i seem to have better luck with non-debian.org mirrors |
| 16:09.15 | Muisje | Braindead tell me how to recover on ext2, it's worth a try |
| 16:09.18 | reiser2 | i get this ---> quotaon: device occupied |
| 16:09.23 | abrotman | better speed, etc |
| 16:09.27 | joeljkp | kdean06: /usr/sbin/anacron? |
| 16:09.29 | Braindead | Muisje: don't ask me, ask TEH google first. thanks |
| 16:09.30 | *** join/#debian Zygentoma (n=Schwach-@L3f85.l.pppool.de) |
| 16:09.37 | Muisje | ok thank you Braindead |
| 16:09.39 | *** join/#debian Bombo_ (n=bombo@dslb-084-060-201-253.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:09.58 | Enverex | abrotman, That .ac one WASNT a debian.org mirror, lol |
| 16:10.03 | *** join/#debian usn (n=usn@p54932A9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:10.14 | kdean06 | joeljkp, Yes. "which anacron" shows /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 16:10.14 | Enverex | !mirrors |
| 16:10.14 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 16:10.19 | Muisje | ed2bundel any good Braindead? |
| 16:10.24 | abrotman | Enverex: i don't play with .uk mirrors :) |
| 16:11.00 | abrotman | Enverex: try the ox one ? |
| 16:11.48 | joeljkp | kdean06: hmm, i just did a normal install using 'standard' task and it's not |
| 16:11.50 | Enverex | abrotman, I don't see an OX one |
| 16:11.56 | joeljkp | kdean06: oh well, life goes on, thanks |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | mirror.ox.ac.uk |
| 16:12.03 | Enverex | ah |
| 16:12.06 | *** join/#debian freesbie (n=freesbie@FL1-125-197-101-206.stm.mesh.ad.jp) |
| 16:13.16 | joel | got a strange thing happening, there's a load of 10 on the box, but no CPU usage - memory is free, there's nothing in I/O wait |
| 16:13.20 | joel | any ideas what I can checkl |
| 16:13.35 | Enverex | abrotman, Well the file STILL isn't there! |
| 16:13.36 | abrotman | the file ? |
| 16:13.48 | Enverex | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:13.52 | abrotman | Joel: dead raid ? |
| 16:14.00 | abrotman | !find flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 16:14.00 | *** join/#debian iturk (i=c188e10a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-6df207b169840cbb) |
| 16:14.01 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 16:14.05 | joel | abrotman: no raid / md |
| 16:14.11 | abrotman | EnverexL honestly .. i've always just gotten it straight from adobe.com |
| 16:14.18 | *** join/#debian Scurz_ (n=sfantar@unaffiliated/Scurz) |
| 16:14.22 | *** join/#debian xoz (n=xoz@unaffiliated/xoz) |
| 16:14.26 | abrotman | Enverex: apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 16:14.58 | iturk | hi there friends i am trying to recover a computer lost password. Should i search in /etc/passwd file ? |
| 16:15.10 | Enverex | abchirk, Installed none, candidate non... |
| 16:15.17 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:15.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:15.19 | Enverex | abrotman, er /\ |
| 16:15.24 | abrotman | Enverex: none ? at all ? |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 16:15.27 | stew | iturk: boot a livecd, mount your / partition, chroot to it, and run passwd |
| 16:15.31 | Enverex | abrotman, and version table is empty |
| 16:16.08 | drwahl | what is the package "pango" for? |
| 16:16.13 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 16:16.16 | abrotman | !find flashplugin-nonfree sid |
| 16:16.18 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.4 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 16:16.21 | abrotman | damn iot |
| 16:16.27 | abchirk | YAY! |
| 16:16.37 | abrotman | drwahl: gnome ish stuff .. read the description |
| 16:16.39 | *** join/#debian clars (n=clars@81.161.167.16) |
| 16:16.45 | iturk | stew: i already boot knoppix live cd and i have mount the partition so now i just need to run passwd ? |
| 16:16.52 | drwahl | abrotman: thank you |
| 16:17.00 | abrotman | Enverex: aptitude clean && aptitude update |
| 16:17.18 | clars | Is there no_way to get an netinstall.iso thats got KDE by default hhhmmm....? |
| 16:17.52 | stew | iturk: if you mounted your partition in /mnt/foo ; then run "chroot /mnt/foo" which will change it so that your are running commands on your / partition instead of on knoppix, then you can run "passwd" and it will be editing the password database on your hard drive |
| 16:18.04 | Enverex | abrotman, Still no matches |
| 16:18.26 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@217.199.132.234) |
| 16:18.44 | reiser2 | bye guys |
| 16:19.05 | abrotman | Enverex: search the mirror manually |
| 16:19.31 | *** join/#debian unsloth (i=martinye@client-128-118-185-242.mobility-up.psu.edu) |
| 16:19.47 | iturk | stew: really thanks |
| 16:19.50 | *** join/#debian andagurks (n=andagurk@200.55.215.154) |
| 16:20.17 | stew | man, bongo just seems wrong. but it works |
| 16:20.30 | *** join/#debian Enselic (n=martin@kr-lun-58-151-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 16:20.39 | blargman | if i were to do a clean install again of my sarge cd here, how can i modify my sources.list to stay in sarge and not get any updates from etch but security. I need a sources.list to get some old packages only in sarge and not in etch |
| 16:20.51 | Enverex | abrotman, lol, it's called -nonfree but it's in the "contrib" repo rather than non-free, but that still doesn't explain why I can't see it... |
| 16:20.55 | *** join/#debian kupesoft (n=dave@CPE00119583e9ae-CM0013718cb08a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:20.59 | Enverex | OH... I think I may know why |
| 16:21.25 | stew | blargman: you don't want secruity updates from etch, you want security updates from sarge. the security team will support sarge for 1 year or until lenny is released |
| 16:21.28 | wols_ | aablput "sarge" in your sources list instead of "stable" |
| 16:21.35 | *** join/#debian jhonny (i=jhonny@cbl-sd-65-123.aster.com.do) |
| 16:21.52 | wols_ | and as for security updates: what stew said |
| 16:21.53 | jhonny | hi everyone here |
| 16:22.28 | *** join/#debian DawnLight (n=dalia@85.64.218.77.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 16:23.13 | DawnLight | anyone has a clue on how to restart the klamav first run wizard? purging didn't do it |
| 16:23.25 | Enverex | abrotman, I'm on amd64 and Flash in Debian seems to be i386 only (although I thought they released it for amd64 too in the end?) |
| 16:23.28 | wols_ | DawnLight: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:23.29 | blargman | ok |
| 16:23.37 | fichte | hi, whats the maximum size of a debian binary package, im trying to create a >1gb deb file with dpkg-deb but i get an error message, dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal gzip error: read(4096) != write(0): No space left on device, dpkg-deb: subprocess <compress> from tar -cf returned error exit status 2 |
| 16:23.38 | blargman | so i'll just replace stable with sarge for the 3 lines i got |
| 16:23.51 | flodine | have not seen any updates for etch is this normal for debian? |
| 16:24.09 | wols_ | fichte: no space on device |
| 16:24.17 | fichte | no thats not the problem |
| 16:24.25 | wols_ | flodine: etch will only get securityupdates |
| 16:24.26 | *** part/#debian kdean06 (n=kdean06@unaffiliated/kdean06) |
| 16:24.38 | stew | wols_: and kernel updates! (hopefully) |
| 16:24.40 | flodine | ok thxs |
| 16:24.41 | fichte | 30gb space on device |
| 16:24.42 | wols_ | well, tar certainly can handle files bigger than 1GB |
| 16:24.48 | fichte | i know |
| 16:25.00 | wols_ | stew: damn modernizations! back in my days... |
| 16:25.06 | fichte | a normal tar command on all these files with tar and gzip, it worked |
| 16:25.14 | fichte | but with dpk-deb, it fails |
| 16:25.23 | *** join/#debian ead (n=ead@rrcs-24-199-147-14.midsouth.biz.rr.com) |
| 16:25.30 | *** join/#debian AngusRF (n=Angus@p5491498a.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:25.55 | jhonny | I wanna know, how to install java in debian 4.0 |
| 16:26.06 | wols_ | !java |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 16:26.42 | stew | !java is also ask me about <non-free> |
| 16:26.42 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:26.52 | jhonny | ok |
| 16:26.53 | *** join/#debian AngusRF (n=Angus@p5491498A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:27.10 | jhonny | but I need to get to site, they use java |
| 16:27.31 | stew | jhonny: then you need suns java, add non-free to your sources and install sun-java5-jre (/msg dpkg non-free) |
| 16:27.50 | jhonny | ok |
| 16:28.53 | *** part/#debian ^^CatTuX^^ (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:33.30 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 16:33.32 | DawnLight | dpkg-reconfigure didn't do it. i've closed klamav before the command and opened it after and no first run wizard |
| 16:33.45 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481FF77.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:33.50 | jelly | !info xfdesktop4 sid |
| 16:33.53 | wols_ | DawnLight: maybe you should rfead the fine manual of dpkg-reconfigure or of debian itself before you open your mouth the next time? |
| 16:33.53 | dpkg | xfdesktop4: (Provides desktop background and root menu), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2688 kB, Installed size: 4844 kB |
| 16:33.54 | Enverex | What's the correct syntax for forcearch? |
| 16:33.55 | *** part/#debian delire (n=delire@88.134.80.99) |
| 16:33.57 | Enverex | Didn't Xfce4.4 come out ages ago? |
| 16:33.57 | joeljkp | do you guys find yourselves turning of Recommends dependencies in aptitude? |
| 16:33.57 | chafe | why does apt-get update --fix-missing always get stuck on this line |
| 16:33.57 | chafe | 99% [Packages gzip 0] |
| 16:33.57 | joeljkp | *off |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#debian Sypher (n=Sypher@host121-53-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#debian Angus (n=Angus@p549144F0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:34.00 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 16:34.00 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 16:34.01 | *** join/#debian chap (n=chap@a61.laz.rv.studentenwohnheim-bw.de) |
| 16:36.12 | *** join/#debian BluX (n=BluX@puffy.blump.net) |
| 16:36.12 | *** join/#debian c0nv1ct (n=convict@151hood236.hctc.com) |
| 16:36.13 | DawnLight | wols_: firstly, i thank you for your help. this time and some others in the past. you are right. i didn't read either manual. perhaps you are saying this because i gave you the impression that i typed "dpkg-reconfigure" without the "klamav", but i did. if that's not the case, then what made you talk like that? |
| 16:36.13 | SnarceZ | does anybody know how to change the mp3 informations like track name gender .... xmms has something like that but even if I change it, it never saves it |
| 16:36.13 | *** join/#debian hardcoffee (n=hardcoff@APoitiers-157-1-145-153.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:36.14 | wols_ | DawnLight: exactly what you typed right now |
| 16:36.14 | SnarceZ | is there a software or a comand that can do it? |
| 16:36.14 | wols_ | DawnLight: and wth is "klamav" btw? |
| 16:36.14 | hardcoffee | hi,this should be normal for my debian do not have the commang glxgears and glxinfo ??? |
| 16:36.14 | wols_ | SnarceZ: look for ID3 |
| 16:36.14 | hardcoffee | i have install 9755 pkr2.run |
| 16:36.15 | wols_ | hardcoffee: it does |
| 16:36.15 | DawnLight | dpkg-reconfigure klamav |
| 16:36.19 | wols_ | !tell hardcoffee about search |
| 16:36.21 | DawnLight | as root |
| 16:36.28 | wols_ | DawnLight: what IS klamav? |
| 16:36.38 | hardcoffee | hum so now i test with what? |
| 16:36.50 | DawnLight | and klamav is a GUI for clamav, which is an antivirus |
| 16:37.11 | DawnLight | i like guis |
| 16:37.17 | wols_ | DawnLight: are there any dotfiles for it? |
| 16:37.30 | wols_ | hardcoffee: as I just said, debian has both |
| 16:37.37 | *** join/#debian Codename_PBLP (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:37.56 | DawnLight | you mean directories/files that begin with a dot? |
| 16:38.01 | hardcoffee | wols_: sry i don t understand (french) |
| 16:38.20 | SnarceZ | wols: is it juat command-line? do you also know a gui or something? |
| 16:38.20 | hardcoffee | wols_: what is both ? |
| 16:38.37 | wols_ | both, glxinfo and glxgears are in debian |
| 16:38.54 | wols_ | SnarceZ: ID3 is a data format |
| 16:38.54 | DawnLight | hardcoffee: "both" means "the one and the other" |
| 16:39.10 | DawnLight | "this and that" |
| 16:39.11 | SnarceZ | ok, thanks |
| 16:39.12 | *** join/#debian TbbW-Away (n=wolf@c-4dd1e253.014-2012-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:39.36 | TbbW-Away | what whas the command to make a file an executable ( the attribute ) i remember it to be chattr +x file |
| 16:39.50 | TbbW-Away | but i clearly remember it wrong it seems |
| 16:40.02 | *** join/#debian lichen7 (n=lichen@82-47-201-94.cable.ubr04.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:40.09 | blargman | chmod +x |
| 16:40.13 | hardcoffee | !!?? so i can't test anymore my glx info ?? |
| 16:40.13 | Braindead | TbbW-Away: hint: ch[tab] |
| 16:40.16 | TbbW-Away | aaah chmod ^^ |
| 16:40.18 | TbbW-Away | thanks :) |
| 16:40.40 | wols_ | hardcoffee: You can: glxinfo is in debian and so is glxgears |
| 16:40.43 | wols_ | !tf |
| 16:40.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tf is tinyfugue, a very powerful console mud client, or team fortress, a Quake 1 teamplay/CTF mod |
| 16:40.47 | stew | hardcoffee: yes, you can. they are in the mesa-utils package (/msg dpkg search) (/msg dpkg glxgears) |
| 16:40.51 | wols_ | !fr |
| 16:40.52 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:41.05 | wols_ | go there since english cleary isn't your strong point |
| 16:41.22 | *** part/#debian jhonny (i=jhonny@cbl-sd-65-123.aster.com.do) |
| 16:41.34 | *** join/#debian me_here (n=buggarag@85.182.50.248) |
| 16:41.38 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 16:42.08 | *** part/#debian TbbW-Away (n=wolf@c-4dd1e253.014-2012-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:42.36 | *** join/#debian Codename_PBLP (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:43.04 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 16:43.29 | *** join/#debian Jazon (n=arkygeek@host86-140-217-154.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:43.40 | Jazon | hi everyone :-) |
| 16:43.52 | *** join/#debian Codename_PBLP (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 16:44.41 | *** join/#debian ErikRose (n=grinch@PollockMega-Mobile253.cac-labs.psu.edu) |
| 16:44.54 | *** part/#debian blargman (n=blargman@209.249.65.110) |
| 16:45.01 | *** join/#debian zen (n=null@unaffiliated/zen) |
| 16:45.17 | Jazon | Q: I have an old laptop that has no network card. I want to install a bunch of games on it. (I have damn small linux loaded on it as a debian install) What is the easiest way to do this? Is it simply to apt-get -d install <package> and then put it on my memory stick, or is there a better way? |
| 16:46.08 | *** join/#debian Maarten` (n=dutchusa@cpe-66-74-155-152.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 16:47.47 | Braindead | Jazon: apt-zip |
| 16:48.12 | Jazon | Braindead: never heard of it.... man zpt-zip :P thx dude |
| 16:48.16 | *** join/#debian ToPeRz (i=ToPeRz@host-ip113-2.sycomp.pl) |
| 16:48.24 | Jazon | s/zpt/apt :s |
| 16:48.40 | ToPeRz | witam jest ktos moze z polski? |
| 16:48.44 | *** join/#debian kerframil (n=kerframi@gentoo/user/kerframil) |
| 16:49.02 | Jazon | http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/g/aptzip.htm gotta love google ;-) |
| 16:49.06 | militant | ToPeRz: muj polski nie jest dobry |
| 16:49.13 | stew | !pl |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | [pl] perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 16:49.25 | stew | ToPeRz: /join #debian.pl |
| 16:49.40 | ToPeRz | thx |
| 16:49.47 | militant | nie ma za co |
| 16:49.59 | militant | pedal |
| 16:50.52 | *** join/#debian Neceron (n=N3C3R0N@83.2.112.2) |
| 16:51.03 | *** join/#debian me_here_ (n=buggarag@e181172164.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:51.21 | lilalinux | lol |
| 16:52.31 | *** part/#debian Casius_Dracul (n=Casius_D@cpe-76-179-135-210.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 16:52.56 | *** join/#debian plapointe (n=plapoint@dsl017-042-219.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:53.18 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 16:53.22 | keksi10 | omg, i update kernel.. and then i restart server now there is just grub> |
| 16:53.35 | keksi10 | kernel dont start |
| 16:53.53 | *** join/#debian bungle (i=SunFish7@nusnet-227-126.dynip.nus.edu.sg) |
| 16:54.28 | *** join/#debian spikeb (i=spikeb@71-83-47-147.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) |
| 16:54.40 | *** join/#debian hardcoffee (n=hardcoff@APoitiers-157-1-145-153.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:54.42 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=ecarmi08@163.41.144.78) |
| 16:54.59 | *** part/#debian ToPeRz (i=ToPeRz@host-ip113-2.sycomp.pl) |
| 16:55.24 | keksi10 | can i fix this someway ? |
| 16:55.55 | *** join/#debian Tallu| (i=juuso@whitehats.fi) |
| 16:56.38 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 16:57.28 | *** join/#debian Baltazar (i=dragan@x1-6-00-0c-f1-c0-50-bd.k961.webspeed.dk) |
| 16:57.34 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 16:57.34 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 16:57.59 | enouf | keksi10: use the grub shell |
| 16:58.24 | *** part/#debian SnarceZ (n=bf@81-174-21-22.f5.ngi.it) |
| 16:58.33 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-41-185-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:58.35 | DawnLight | can i install an activex plugin for mozilla? |
| 16:58.46 | *** join/#debian exceptionhandler (i=exceptio@dslb-084-059-013-191.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:58.55 | enouf | keksi10: type device and hit <TAB> |
| 16:59.05 | Baltazar | i have a strange problem when playing cd with mplayer ( and other apps ). the stream is hacked every few ms making anoying short breaks, every time it happens the cdrom turns the led on. this never happens when playing dvd. any ideas ? |
| 16:59.35 | enouf | keksi10: fill in correct info, then type root and hit <tab> .. again fill in correct info |
| 16:59.54 | *** part/#debian plapointe (n=plapoint@dsl017-042-219.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:59.58 | DawnLight | Baltazar - sounds like hardware but its just a guess |
| 16:59.59 | *** join/#debian edju (n=edju@c-68-41-185-25.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 17:00.05 | xoz | Baltazar: all your cds? |
| 17:00.12 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@vsat-148-65-200-206.c012.g4.mrt.starband.net) |
| 17:00.25 | xoz | Baltazar: try vlc. if same, then maybe your media. |
| 17:00.35 | Baltazar | xoz: all cds - brand new as well :-) |
| 17:00.41 | exceptionhandler | hi everybody. if i use grub: can i only boot the initrd-img's that are in menu.lst? so is the symbolic link in root folder / ignored? |
| 17:00.42 | keksi10 | enouf: it give me somekind possibe commands.. |
| 17:00.44 | *** join/#debian keram (i=jdegges@cpe-72-134-57-145.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 17:01.01 | enouf | Baltazar: your CDROM drive buffer prolly isn't as large as your newer DVD drive's, or your DMA is off on that IDE Channel |
| 17:01.04 | *** join/#debian patriganza (n=patrigan@203.87.192.130) |
| 17:01.11 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip68-7-164-142.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 17:01.19 | enouf | keksi10: you need to fill them in correctly |
| 17:01.30 | edju | I tried to add the user to the sudoers file, but I'm still getting reported. What might I be missing? |
| 17:02.03 | xoz | edju: your group? |
| 17:02.04 | Baltazar | xoz: vlc works |
| 17:02.12 | xoz | Baltazar: no delay? |
| 17:02.19 | Baltazar | xoz: no |
| 17:02.24 | enouf | keksi10: (hd0,0) is 1st system HDD, 1st partition on that HDD --- (hd1,0) is 2nd system HDD, 1st partition |
| 17:02.31 | Baltazar | enouf: how do i check that ? |
| 17:02.40 | enouf | Baltazar: hdparm |
| 17:02.44 | xoz | Baltazar: read mplayer option especially buffer and what to do with noisy frames |
| 17:02.49 | edju | xoz, and which group might that be? |
| 17:03.01 | Baltazar | ok thank you folks ! |
| 17:03.02 | enouf | hdparm -i /dev/hdX .. and check dmesg | grep hd output |
| 17:03.05 | keksi10 | enouf, yes, but what to write now in this grub> |
| 17:03.07 | keksi10 | :) |
| 17:03.08 | exceptionhandler | which file is executed while booting to find the initrd.img? |
| 17:03.12 | xoz | edju: check the group where root belongs to |
| 17:03.20 | *** join/#debian wad (n=wad@216.49.181.128) |
| 17:03.23 | enouf | keksi10: what;'s the options? |
| 17:03.37 | xoz | edju: and maybe the sudo also group |
| 17:03.58 | enouf | exceptionhandler: the kernel looks for it, finds it and reads/loads it |
| 17:04.13 | keksi10 | enouf: there is so man possiblities |
| 17:04.26 | exceptionhandler | enouf. where does the kernel look for it. i have an initrd symlink in / and in /boot |
| 17:04.32 | enouf | keksi10: not for device |
| 17:04.35 | enouf | is there? |
| 17:04.43 | keksi10 | no |
| 17:04.45 | enouf | not for root .. is there? |
| 17:04.55 | enouf | keksi10: what;'s the options? |
| 17:05.07 | keksi10 | rootnoverifity |
| 17:05.08 | enouf | exceptionhandler: that's correct |
| 17:05.22 | hardcoffee | some one have a howto for install nvidia (the old manip is still not work :/ |
| 17:05.34 | hardcoffee | glxgears=erreur of segmentation |
| 17:05.47 | enouf | exceptionhandler: correct plaacement of such usually .. oh .. the actual initrd.img-KERNVER should be in /boot/ |
| 17:06.08 | exceptionhandler | but the symlink in / is not executed. if i change it to newer kernel.img the system still boots old kernel. |
| 17:06.17 | keksi10 | enouf: i must load linux kernel |
| 17:06.21 | enouf | exceptionhandler: and sometimes it's on / .. but that's rarer, for differnet crcumstances |
| 17:06.26 | keksi10 | this grub says |
| 17:06.48 | xoz | edju: any development? |
| 17:06.48 | exceptionhandler | alright. so i can delete it in / ? |
| 17:06.54 | *** join/#debian Unclefragger (n=Unclefra@p549F5637.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:07.01 | enouf | exceptionhandler: I wouldn't .. it's only a symlink |
| 17:07.11 | exceptionhandler | and to boot the new kernel i have to change menu.lst in grub? |
| 17:07.21 | *** join/#debian mmmmmmmmm (n=info@213.219.138.69.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 17:07.42 | enouf | exceptionhandler: some things like the file /etc/kernel-img.conf have settings for it, and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-VERSION may use it too |
| 17:07.43 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 17:07.59 | enouf | man kernel-img.conf |
| 17:08.24 | *** join/#debian NoFX_SBC_ (n=nofxsbc@c9066c1e.virtua.com.br) |
| 17:08.34 | *** join/#debian Neceron (n=N3C3R0N@83.2.112.2) |
| 17:08.35 | edju | xoz, No, user was already in the sudo group, and root's only group is root. |
| 17:08.42 | *** join/#debian aubade_ (n=aubade@oh-67-77-31-1.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 17:08.44 | enouf | exceptionhandler: update-grub should handle that fine |
| 17:08.54 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@201.89.2.174) |
| 17:09.00 | aubade_ | 's been a while, what file can I edit to change the number of ttys? |
| 17:09.00 | exceptionhandler | enouf: alright. thx! |
| 17:09.55 | enouf | aubade_: add more to /etc/inittab ? |
| 17:09.56 | aubade_ | Ack, nevermind, found it just now. /etc/inittab |
| 17:09.59 | xoz | edju: so, it does not allow you to proceed? |
| 17:10.09 | enouf | aubade_: do you have an Xserver installed? |
| 17:10.23 | enouf | aubade_: it grabs vt7 though |
| 17:10.38 | edju | xoz, Nope, sure doesn't. |
| 17:11.14 | simonrvn | what i do is leave vt 7 and 8 open for xserver, if it's installed and used, and make more |
| 17:11.43 | *** join/#debian anibal (n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal) |
| 17:11.45 | xoz | edju: did you edit the sudoers using visudo? |
| 17:12.09 | edju | xoz, Yes, but it called nano. |
| 17:12.28 | *** join/#debian JonJ (n=jon@ti121210a081-15847.bb.online.no) |
| 17:12.33 | aubade_ | enouf: Actually just dropping the count down to three, sister likes normal emulators. [: |
| 17:12.37 | enouf | edju: that doesn't matter |
| 17:12.41 | *** join/#debian mmk[null] (n=martin@marinov.eu) |
| 17:12.47 | xoz | edju: no complain about the entry? |
| 17:13.03 | enouf | edju: export EDITOR=vim if that's important to you for this session only though |
| 17:13.21 | enouf | aubade_: i see ;-) |
| 17:13.21 | xoz | edju: what is the group of sudo? |
| 17:13.25 | stew | edju: how did you launch nano? did you launch it with the visudo command or the nano command? |
| 17:13.36 | edju | xoz, Nope. Ran the -c parameteeer, too, and no errors reported. |
| 17:13.44 | enouf | my visudo defaults to nano, that's how i like it ;-) |
| 17:13.46 | abrotman | Enverex: yeah .. that would have been a good thing to tell us :) |
| 17:14.07 | stew | oh, i misread |
| 17:14.11 | exceptionhandler | is there a possibility to change the status of packets manually in dpkg? dpkg -l show "ri kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" for my kernel-image but i dont want to remove it. |
| 17:14.11 | Enverex | abrotman, I completely forgot, I've been running x86 for the best part of a year (on the same machine) |
| 17:14.17 | spikeb | nansudo! |
| 17:14.18 | abrotman | Enverex: ah ok |
| 17:14.29 | Enverex | abrotman, (because of issues like this, lol) |
| 17:14.32 | exceptionhandler | it should be ii |
| 17:14.35 | enouf | !nanosmite sussudio |
| 17:14.37 | xoz | edju: add yourself in wheel group and add enntry to visudo: %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL |
| 17:14.38 | Muisje | Which debian version is recommended for linux retards who wish to use debian? |
| 17:14.41 | *** join/#debian Shoaibi (n=Shoaibi@mbl-65-129-173.dsl.net.pk) |
| 17:14.42 | enouf | :-p |
| 17:14.49 | spikeb | etch |
| 17:14.50 | spikeb | :) |
| 17:14.56 | Enverex | ERK |
| 17:15.01 | Enverex | No znses! |
| 17:15.04 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@201.89.2.174) |
| 17:15.05 | enouf | Muisje: etch .. |
| 17:15.05 | Enverex | er, zsnes |
| 17:15.07 | simonrvn | exceptionhandler: /msg dpkg hold |
| 17:15.10 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@e177229134.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:15.11 | edju | xoz, I don't show a wheel group at all. |
| 17:15.25 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 17:15.25 | Braindead | Enverex: zsnes still contains traces of i386 ASM. face it |
| 17:15.29 | stew | exceptionhandler: "aptitude hold kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" if you want to explicity set it on hold. "echo kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 install" | dpkg --set-selections ; if you just want to remove the "remove" request |
| 17:15.52 | Enverex | Braindead, See, I brought that comment up before (not here) and people said I was imagining things and look what happens :( |
| 17:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 822] by debhelper |
| 17:16.11 | *** part/#debian flodine (n=flodine@c-24-4-174-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:16.12 | *** join/#debian ofer (n=ofer0x@unaffiliated/ofer0) |
| 17:16.13 | Enverex | Damn, Gens is missing too |
| 17:16.23 | xoz | edju: add yourself in root group |
| 17:16.35 | simonrvn | no, don't |
| 17:16.45 | simonrvn | dumb thing to do |
| 17:16.54 | enouf | edju: cat /proc/version says? |
| 17:17.09 | Muisje | how about debian 4.0? |
| 17:17.17 | enouf | Muisje: yep |
| 17:17.19 | *** part/#debian Jazon (n=arkygeek@host86-140-217-154.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:17.29 | enouf | !tell Muisje -about ig |
| 17:17.31 | xoz | edju: this is for troubleshooting |
| 17:17.35 | edju | enouf, Linux version 2.6.18-4-486 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 |
| 17:17.40 | Muisje | ty enouf |
| 17:17.51 | stew | xoz: debian doesn't use wheel unless the user went out of their way to do so |
| 17:17.56 | *** join/#debian elbing (n=elbing@126.Red-83-39-138.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:17.56 | spikeb | bah |
| 17:17.59 | spikeb | bah at debian |
| 17:18.02 | enouf | Muisje: no prob .. "/msg dpkg selftell" to help yourself ;-) |
| 17:18.11 | *** join/#debian blaamann (n=rune@124.85-200-35.bkkb.no) |
| 17:18.21 | exceptionhandler | "echo kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 install" | dpkg --set-selections" brings up a new line and noting changes |
| 17:18.34 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 17:18.48 | edju | stew, Is there some way to get the wheel group on this system? |
| 17:19.00 | xoz | stew: the behavior of the problem seems not debian-specific |
| 17:19.02 | Muisje | enouf i know but i didn't knew what to ask for so i really needed other people's recommendations |
| 17:19.08 | stew | xoz: what problem? |
| 17:19.19 | Muisje | Anyway i'm going to do netinstall. |
| 17:19.19 | xoz | stew: sudo |
| 17:19.24 | stew | xoz: what problem? |
| 17:19.30 | stew | edju: what do you mean exactly? |
| 17:19.31 | Muisje | it never failed for my old hardware configuration |
| 17:19.35 | enouf | Muisje: again , no worries, have fun ;-) |
| 17:19.41 | stew | edju: what do you expect the properties of the wheel group to be? |
| 17:19.48 | edju | stew, He means my problem, sudo doesn't work. |
| 17:19.50 | xoz | stew: he added his name to sudoers and still being reported |
| 17:20.14 | stew | edju: put your sudoers into a pastebin |
| 17:20.20 | *** join/#debian tomdick (n=tomdickh@stratocaster.poncacity.net) |
| 17:20.34 | enouf | exceptionhandler: try exactly echo "kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 install" | dpkg --set-selections <-- as root |
| 17:20.38 | drwahl | how so i change the resolution of the terminal (after i hit Ctrl+Alt+F1) |
| 17:20.52 | Enverex | Erm, it's the group "sudo" rather than "sudoers"? |
| 17:20.54 | drwahl | i guess init 3 would be more accurate |
| 17:21.00 | enouf | exceptionhandler: notice the quotes location(s) |
| 17:21.11 | tomdick | i want to reinstall etch on my laptop. is there a way to make sure that all of my home dir gets backed up? i have another system running sshd i can connect to |
| 17:21.17 | xoz | drwahl: you mean to go back to xwindows? |
| 17:21.34 | Muisje | enouf i like the netinstall, it only takes me 5 min to download :) |
| 17:21.40 | drwahl | xoz: no, i want to change how many lines i can see while in init3 |
| 17:21.45 | enouf | exceptionhandler: then dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 now says? |
| 17:21.47 | *** join/#debian gpm_ (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-178-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:21.47 | bahadunn | tomdick: where is harry? |
| 17:22.07 | enouf | Muisje: b e a u t y .. businesscard.iso is even smaller ;-) |
| 17:22.30 | tomdick | bahadunn: oh, he's here |
| 17:22.37 | exceptionhandler | enouf: this worked! thx very much! |
| 17:22.42 | enouf | tomdick: is /home on it's own partition? |
| 17:22.54 | edju | stew, http://rafb.net/p/cNxDoL20.html |
| 17:22.59 | enouf | exceptionhandler: no prob .. stews the man though, just perhaps a bit of a typo |
| 17:23.12 | Muisje | enouf 5 min is fast enough if i only need it after 4,5 hours |
| 17:23.22 | enouf | heh |
| 17:23.22 | *** join/#debian arcil (n=arcil@unaffiliated/arcil) |
| 17:23.36 | Muisje | i can't reinstall the server right now |
| 17:23.41 | *** join/#debian Nikolay (n=nik@82-208-101-82.dialup.mts-nn.ru) |
| 17:23.51 | Muisje | i would get hunted down as an animal if i did :P |
| 17:24.02 | *** join/#debian ashrack (n=tom@BSN-95-249-21.dsl.siol.net) |
| 17:24.19 | xoz | edju: capitalize ALL |
| 17:24.34 | tomdick | enouf: /home is on lvm |
| 17:24.38 | drwahl | how do i change the resolution (amount of lines i can see) in init 3? i thought it was something like VGA=769 or something, but that doesnt seem to work... |
| 17:25.07 | enouf | tomdick: not sure in that situation .. make Backups though certainly |
| 17:25.13 | abrotman | init 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 17:25.19 | gpm_ | drwahl: you're passing vga=769 as a kernel opt. right? |
| 17:25.25 | xoz | drwahl: should be changed at boot time? |
| 17:25.27 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 17:25.29 | enouf | tomdick: mondorescue.org, partimage, and tar come to mind, as well as netcat |
| 17:25.37 | edju | xoz, Do you know how many times I've looked at that over the past few days? Thanks a lot. |
| 17:25.50 | *** join/#debian alexIdoia (n=alex@df01t2-89-86-102-217.d4.club-internet.fr) |
| 17:25.59 | xoz | edju: the visudo should have complained |
| 17:26.03 | tomdick | enouf: thanks |
| 17:26.03 | drwahl | the vga=769 is what i did for the install time, but i figured it was the same once it booted |
| 17:26.07 | *** join/#debian jor (n=jor@ip51cfee06.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 17:26.07 | enouf | drako: try vga=791 |
| 17:26.11 | alexIdoia | hi I know this must be very easy but how do I know which user run X process ? |
| 17:26.16 | xoz | edju: or maybe assumed *all* as a program/user |
| 17:26.25 | abrotman | alexIdoia: ps |
| 17:26.26 | alexIdoia | by X I meant 'a given ps' |
| 17:26.33 | *** join/#debian gpm_ (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-178-246.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:26.37 | enouf | drako: parmas found here http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 17:26.38 | alexIdoia | abrotman, ah of course |
| 17:26.43 | simonrvn | a given ps? |
| 17:26.44 | enouf | er params == parameters |
| 17:26.47 | xoz | drwahl: it should be passed in grub or lilo to the kernel during boot time |
| 17:27.11 | gpm | oops, forgot i left xchat open |
| 17:27.23 | enouf | heh .. oh yeah .. convert the hex to decimal ;-) |
| 17:27.32 | drwahl | xoz: is there any way to change it after boot? |
| 17:27.41 | gpm | good question |
| 17:27.44 | gpm | i think so |
| 17:27.46 | gpm | but i don't know |
| 17:27.50 | Muisje | enouf, what filesystem can you recommend me? I'm doubting between ext2 and ext3... |
| 17:27.55 | enouf | i think hwinfo --monitor or glxinfo? outputs those vga= decimal reps |
| 17:27.57 | gpm | ext3 |
| 17:28.11 | enouf | Muisje: definitely ext3 |
| 17:28.38 | enouf | Muisje: it's got a journal, for fast fsck and restoring |
| 17:28.52 | xoz | drwahl: i think not because the module responsible cannot be unloaded once the system is finished booting |
| 17:29.00 | enouf | drako: change what? |
| 17:29.17 | drwahl | xoz: ok, thanks |
| 17:29.24 | enouf | drako: your X resolution? or Frambuffer reso? |
| 17:29.36 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH_ (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 17:29.54 | xoz | drwahl: but maybe im wrong. |
| 17:30.01 | xoz | enouf: framebuffer. not x |
| 17:30.01 | enouf | for X use ctrl-alt-+/-, for FB, see man xrandr if even possible |
| 17:30.10 | enouf | bah .. |
| 17:30.15 | enouf | forget xrandr |
| 17:30.16 | gpm | no, it should be possible |
| 17:30.22 | gpm | if the framebuffer's on |
| 17:30.23 | *** join/#debian peterrus (n=peterrus@cable-193-167.zeelandnet.nl) |
| 17:30.28 | Muisje | ok ty enouf |
| 17:30.35 | enouf | likely ya .. just forget |
| 17:30.52 | *** part/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 17:31.18 | gpm | i always just set it in grub |
| 17:31.20 | gpm | and i'm good to go |
| 17:31.20 | Muisje | enouf do you have a guide for me to use as install of web apps, mysql apps asin a "perfect" or "almost perfect" way? |
| 17:31.34 | enouf | drako: fbset |
| 17:31.36 | Muisje | Or should i just stick to the one you gave earlier for best performance? |
| 17:31.37 | enouf | dr |
| 17:31.37 | xoz | gpm: he means after booting |
| 17:31.39 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 17:31.40 | enouf | drako: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html |
| 17:32.31 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 17:32.32 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 17:32.37 | enouf | Muisje: use Tasksel in the installer .. read the installation guide , and familiarize yourself with "/msg dpkg apt howto" |
| 17:33.33 | enouf | drako: apologies .. i meant drwahl |
| 17:33.49 | Muisje | enouf i am already familiarized with aptitude |
| 17:34.01 | enouf | Muisje: egg-cellent ;-) |
| 17:34.03 | Muisje | I shall look up about tasksel |
| 17:34.15 | *** join/#debian JoachimLM (n=Jojosan@chez.desoutter.org) |
| 17:34.37 | enouf | Muisje: well ok .. tasksel is avaiable both from within the iunstallaer and after installation man tasksel |
| 17:34.42 | *** join/#debian bungle (i=SunFish7@nusnet-227-126.dynip.nus.edu.sg) |
| 17:34.58 | Muisje | First empty install and then taksell? |
| 17:35.06 | *** join/#debian Hotwire (n=ed@students.card.liberty.ask4.co.uk) |
| 17:35.08 | enouf | empty? |
| 17:35.13 | Muisje | correction empty = clean |
| 17:35.19 | *** join/#debian Di-rk (n=chatzill@P5677.p.pppool.de) |
| 17:35.23 | xoz | drwahl: yeah fbset is the answer |
| 17:35.24 | enouf | tasksel will appear once you're ready to install apps |
| 17:35.56 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-223-97.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 17:36.13 | enouf | Muisje: OR .. you can run it later , after installation .. entirely up to you |
| 17:36.44 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@201.89.2.174) |
| 17:37.29 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 17:39.06 | drwahl | enouf: thanks for the info, but im not drako :) |
| 17:39.23 | enouf | ah bah duh ;-) |
| 17:39.25 | gpm | drwahl: yeah, but dr<tab> letads to you |
| 17:39.31 | gpm | it also leads to you |
| 17:39.36 | enouf | but you look so much alike ;-p |
| 17:39.39 | abrotman | you have crappy tab skills :) |
| 17:39.56 | stew | tab is too sweet for my tastes |
| 17:40.10 | enouf | prefers the uncola |
| 17:40.26 | *** join/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 17:40.27 | *** join/#debian jnsears (n=jnsears@VPN01-WLAN-0144.VPN.NYU.EDU) |
| 17:41.17 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.79.243) |
| 17:42.33 | *** join/#debian pobega (n=pobega@pool-71-125-23-227.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:43.34 | *** part/#debian sdsd (n=mark@202.164.131.147) |
| 17:43.56 | abrotman | stew: Fanta for you? |
| 17:44.01 | *** join/#debian TRUNASUCI (n=root@184.148.111.218.klj04-home.tm.net.my) |
| 17:44.33 | keksi10 | how to search with aptitude |
| 17:44.35 | *** join/#debian Ahren (n=Fabio@adsl-238-158.38-151.net24.it) |
| 17:44.37 | gpm | i hate stupid fanta commercials |
| 17:44.37 | *** part/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 17:44.43 | stew | abrotman: ok |
| 17:44.48 | *** join/#debian leehambley (n=leehambl@91.84.10.161) |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:44.50 | *** join/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 17:44.52 | gpm | keksi10: aptitude search [search terms] |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | !tell TRUNASUCI about root |
| 17:44.57 | Ahren | hi all, there's a way to downgrade package from experimental to unstable? |
| 17:45.04 | *** part/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@213-156-55-130.fastres.net) |
| 17:45.08 | keksi10 | =) |
| 17:45.15 | gpm | Ahren: yeah, grab the unstable .deb and then dpkg -i it |
| 17:45.24 | stew | keksi10: if that doesn't answer your question, ask a more specific one |
| 17:45.32 | Ahren | gpm, I mean like a dist-ugprade |
| 17:45.40 | stew | Ahren: aptitude install package=version |
| 17:45.46 | gpm | Ahren: you mean a bunch of packages at once? |
| 17:45.51 | Ahren | no |
| 17:45.58 | Ahren | i've installad a lot of packages |
| 17:46.00 | stew | Ahren: you should probably not using either experimental or unstable |
| 17:46.13 | Ahren | gnome 2.18 |
| 17:46.19 | Ahren | from experimental |
| 17:46.36 | stew | Ahren: don't use experimental unless you know what you are doing |
| 17:46.44 | gpm | you want to downgrade the gnome from experimental to the one in unstable? |
| 17:46.47 | *** join/#debian limed (n=limed@shell.onid.oregonstate.edu) |
| 17:46.49 | *** join/#debian phiki (n=leech@p54A2B3B9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:46.51 | Seb | is there anywhere a list of supported ethernet adapters for any recent 2.6 kernel ? |
| 17:46.54 | Ahren | gpm, yes |
| 17:46.56 | *** part/#debian Enverex|LT (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 17:47.03 | gpm | Ahren: there's no easy way to downgrade |
| 17:47.07 | gpm | you'd have to go one by one |
| 17:47.11 | Ahren | gpm, ok |
| 17:47.19 | Ahren | gpm, i know every package name |
| 17:47.19 | *** join/#debian Turgon (n=Turgon@unaffiliated/turgon) |
| 17:47.26 | *** part/#debian tech (i=tech@193.216.160.2) |
| 17:47.29 | gpm | which is why people should be wary of using unstable and experimental...there's no turning back...not easily anyway |
| 17:47.39 | gpm | yeah, have fun grabbing the sid versions |
| 17:47.47 | Seb | Ahren: then build a "for" loop and get them all |
| 17:47.49 | Ahren | stew, i know what i'm doing |
| 17:47.51 | gpm | you could also uninstall all the gnome stuff and start over again with the sid versions |
| 17:47.58 | Seb | Ahren: not quite it seems |
| 17:48.01 | stew | Ahren: what exactly is the problem you are having then? |
| 17:48.33 | Ahren | i only want to know if there is a way most quick than one by one |
| 17:48.48 | Ahren | i haven't big problem with experimental |
| 17:49.03 | *** join/#debian Moorenkopf (n=Moorenko@p50885813.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:49.05 | gpm | well, isn't 2.18 moving into sid soon anyway? |
| 17:49.15 | Ahren | gpm, yes |
| 17:49.17 | spikeb | already started gpm |
| 17:49.23 | stew | Ahren: use the gnome meta pacakge, it has versioned depends now |
| 17:49.27 | gpm | may as well wait it out then... |
| 17:49.48 | *** part/#debian ste_p_james (n=ste_p_ja@beachsolutions.plus.com) |
| 17:49.51 | gpm | unless you're using other experimental stuff |
| 17:50.39 | tolecnal | Seb: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html#AEN5926 |
| 17:51.07 | gpm | you know, sid's been behaving pretty well for the period directly after a release |
| 17:51.17 | biz | hi, how can i break all lines at 74 chars from within vim? (not only to display them breaked there but to also insert newlines in a intelligent way) |
| 17:51.47 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 17:51.51 | stew | except for the occasional uninstallable libc6-dev, locales |
| 17:51.58 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@r74-192-178-37.htvlcmta01.hnvitx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) |
| 17:52.00 | Ahren | with experimental the only trouble that i find is with compiz/beryl (and it's not a matter) and the impossibility to play mp3 with totem-xine or amarok, like the last.fm ones |
| 17:52.03 | *** join/#debian jor (n=jor@ip51cfee06.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 17:52.08 | gpm | oh yeah, locales was a bitch |
| 17:52.23 | gpm | fortunately i already had it installed |
| 17:52.31 | *** join/#debian alefteris (n=alefteri@unaffiliated/alefteris) |
| 17:52.34 | gpm | so i just held back the version until the fuss was straightened out |
| 17:52.48 | maxamillion | how i go about changing the fonts for web content displayed by iceweasel? |
| 17:52.49 | gpm | i guess if you were trying to install sid right now that would suck |
| 17:52.51 | *** join/#debian gonzaloaf_laptop (n=gonzaloa@64.76.110.30) |
| 17:52.53 | Madsy | locates are a pain to use as well :) |
| 17:53.01 | gpm | maxamillion: in the preferences |
| 17:53.03 | Madsy | locals* |
| 17:53.08 | gpm | haha |
| 17:53.11 | gpm | locales* |
| 17:53.14 | Madsy | gah |
| 17:53.20 | Madsy | locos |
| 17:53.22 | Madsy | :D |
| 17:53.46 | gpm | yes, they drive me loco too sometimes |
| 17:53.48 | maxamillion | gpm: i know, but nothing seems to be changing when i alter the settings |
| 17:54.30 | *** part/#debian alefteris (n=alefteri@unaffiliated/alefteris) |
| 17:54.43 | *** join/#debian shao_lap (n=shaolin@p5481e54f.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:55.01 | gpm | maxamillion: yeah, you need to tell firefox to override the pages font-color formatting |
| 17:55.01 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 17:55.06 | *** part/#debian sls_ (n=stephans@mail.farorbit.com) |
| 17:55.11 | gpm | maxamillion: otherwise if the page has any styling, that will be what you see |
| 17:55.21 | gpm | er, iceweasel |
| 17:55.32 | gpm | how dare i say firefox!? |
| 17:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 815] by debhelper |
| 17:56.25 | *** join/#debian Romaan (i=roman@80.48.71.52) |
| 17:56.41 | maxamillion | gpm: lol |
| 17:56.51 | Muisje | How can i use tar -cf but exclude 1 directory? |
| 17:56.53 | HYPOCRISY | ok |
| 17:56.55 | maxamillion | gpm: ok, thanks :) |
| 17:56.59 | gpm | maxamillion: sure |
| 17:57.09 | xand | Muisje: man tar |
| 17:57.13 | Muisje | oki |
| 17:57.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, why when I turn on my pc without internet connection at boot it stops for a long time in this part: Starting: MTA ?? |
| 17:57.49 | xand | Muisje: look for "exclude" |
| 17:57.49 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: yes... |
| 17:57.49 | *** join/#debian alleyoopster (n=dan@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 17:57.51 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: tell the mta to do local delivery only |
| 17:57.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, yes what? |
| 17:58.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, how? |
| 17:58.11 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: which mta are you using? exim4? |
| 17:58.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, yep |
| 17:58.38 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: if so, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:58.39 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, by default |
| 17:58.49 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: tell it to do local delivery only...unless you need the mta for something |
| 17:59.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, it was on that configuration |
| 17:59.17 | drwahl | window 3 |
| 17:59.34 | gpm | gonzaloaf_laptop: huh...well sometimes exim just takes a while to start up...how long a wait are we talking about here? |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#debian chafe (n=chafe@c-68-35-203-136.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:00.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | gpm, like 30 seconds, it is a lot for a p4 3.20Ghz HT |
| 18:00.34 | xand | gonzaloaf_laptop: no it's not |
| 18:00.43 | xand | gonzaloaf_laptop: it's a network timeout, nothing to do with CPU |
| 18:00.53 | simonrvn | those 30 s have nothng to do with it being a p4 or not, has to do with the network |
| 18:01.02 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: timeout is very long for internet confirmation of connection. |
| 18:01.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xand, yeah! when I have internet connection it doesnt take anything but 5 seconds |
| 18:01.03 | xand | gonzaloaf_laptop: you can press ctrl-c to bypass it |
| 18:01.10 | xand | not sure if that's wise though |
| 18:01.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xand, I hav tried it but I cant bypass it |
| 18:01.21 | simonrvn | no, better to reconfig it |
| 18:01.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what about disabling it? |
| 18:01.43 | simonrvn | gpm said what to do "dpkg-recon..." |
| 18:01.47 | *** part/#debian Ahren (n=Fabio@adsl-238-158.38-151.net24.it) |
| 18:02.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | simonrvn, I already did that before |
| 18:02.00 | Muisje | tar -cf home.tar /home --exclude= /home/www/* @ xand? |
| 18:02.04 | petemc | install ifplugd and remove the auto line from interfaces |
| 18:02.13 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: what does your hosts file look like ? |
| 18:02.23 | abrotman | petemc: that's cheating! |
| 18:02.24 | xand | Muisje: try it and see |
| 18:02.34 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: try edit your /etc/hosts file. add 127.0.0.1 <name of host> |
| 18:02.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ??? |
| 18:02.43 | petemc | abrotman: tis a bit, ita annoying to wait for exim tho.. |
| 18:02.49 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xoz, what should I put there? |
| 18:03.00 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: what's your hostname? |
| 18:03.23 | *** join/#debian Catachan (n=Catachan@74.255.97.141) |
| 18:03.43 | *** join/#debian _Decepticon (n=deceptic@dhcp142115.rogers.fsu.edu) |
| 18:03.43 | *** join/#debian rhalff__ (n=rhalff@g185099.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 18:03.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xoz, gaf3 |
| 18:04.12 | abrotman | petemc: i guess .. |
| 18:04.20 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: 127.0.0.1 gaf3 |
| 18:04.25 | xand | not sure you want to say that your hostname is 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:04.31 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: include the domain name also |
| 18:04.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xoz, the first two lines in my /etc/hosts are: 127.0.0.1 localhost gaf3 |
| 18:04.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | 127.0.1.1 gaf3.gaf gaf3 |
| 18:04.36 | *** join/#debian oldsparky (n=OldSpark@ppp-190-11.25-151.libero.it) |
| 18:05.59 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: yeah, fool exim to think gaf3 points to your ethernet. |
| 18:06.13 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 18:06.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | so, theres no solution for me? |
| 18:06.42 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: remove exim :) |
| 18:06.51 | *** join/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 18:07.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | xoz, maybe.... because I really dont use it at all |
| 18:07.14 | xoz | gonzaloaf_laptop: or run it in background mode |
| 18:07.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | but I dont know if this will solve my problem |
| 18:07.29 | *** join/#debian itguru (n=theitgur@82-69-97-242.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:07.32 | itguru | I'm trying to make an ISO of a DVD that doesn't read in usual apps, but it does play. It's a DVD of a wedding, and it needs to be copied because of a scratch, how can I get dd to ignore the read errors? |
| 18:08.18 | *** join/#debian atealtha (n=K5@static-71-249-207-102.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:08.27 | zinx | itguru: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso bs=2048 conv=noerror,sync |
| 18:08.29 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 18:08.46 | *** join/#debian aronofsky (n=aronofsk@AAmiens-156-1-99-192.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:08.50 | aronofsky | hi |
| 18:08.50 | itguru | zinx: Thanks, your a life saver, let me try that :) |
| 18:09.00 | stew | isn't ddrescue the thing to use in those cases? |
| 18:09.03 | aronofsky | I try to compile openldap with a specific compiled bdb version ( db-4.5.20 ) and I got an error , "./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libdb-4.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" wheras I pass the following options "CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/db/include" LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/db/lib" and the file "/usr/local/db/lib/libdb-4.5.so" exists ... what am I missing here ? |
| 18:09.09 | stew | and brasso â„¢ |
| 18:09.11 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.15 | xoz | itguru: you can run vlc, stream the movie and save the stream into a file. vlc drops frames and often ignore errors. just a suggestion. |
| 18:09.23 | *** join/#debian BankHead (n=KiloByte@249.124-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 18:10.14 | zinx | itguru: also sometimes you can make the scratch disappear, so you can read it proper.. might try that *after* you've copied it with errors |
| 18:10.32 | zinx | itguru: using various methods.. there are scratch removal kits out there |
| 18:10.36 | itguru | xoz: good idea with vlc |
| 18:10.54 | *** join/#debian Damm_ (i=damm@cl-51.qas-01.us.sixxs.net) |
| 18:10.59 | Damm_ | what does rc mean in dpkg --list? |
| 18:11.00 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 18:11.11 | Damm_ | I tried googling, and really didn't find any sense of finding an answer |
| 18:11.13 | *** join/#debian marcels (i=mstoop@xs2.xs4all.nl) |
| 18:11.37 | xoz | as in rc.S, rc.1, rc.2? |
| 18:11.59 | Damm_ | no as in dpkg --list |
| 18:12.08 | *** join/#debian cqst (n=unix@ras75-4-82-229-152-200.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:12.10 | Damm_ | rc swat 3.0.24-6 Samba Web Administration Tool |
| 18:12.14 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-159-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:12.25 | Catachan | does any one here have debian etch (I think, deffinitely the Current Testing release) on a Dell Inspiron laptop? |
| 18:12.41 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 18:12.42 | atealtha | is there a package to get the payflow functions in PHP5? It's definitely not listed in the PECL repository |
| 18:13.04 | xoz | Catachan: what's the question? |
| 18:13.33 | *** join/#debian Yggdrasil (n=Son_Of_O@c-68-35-117-150.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 18:13.53 | Catachan | When some one closes the lid, the computer or atleast X dies and won't come back to life |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | atealtha: the whowhat ? |
| 18:14.05 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@138.sub-75-202-22.myvzw.com) |
| 18:14.22 | itguru | xoz: I was really considering the VLC thing, but then I ned to remaster it to burn on DVD - which would cause a loss in resolution |
| 18:14.30 | atealtha | basically a PHP5 module to get extra functionality, except it's not in apt |
| 18:14.37 | Yggdrasil | i havea kernel i compiled, and my video driver claims that it cant find the src under /lib/modules/mykernel/source but its there .. |
| 18:14.37 | atealtha | at least, I can't find it |
| 18:14.48 | *** join/#debian alphatauri (n=jan@p54A9A05E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:15.13 | *** join/#debian bonez39 (n=bonez@c-71-195-250-0.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 18:15.27 | xoz | itguru: what about mencoder? |
| 18:15.29 | *** join/#debian Shisui (i=chris@AAmiens-152-1-90-37.w90-34.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:15.30 | *** join/#debian xorix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 18:16.17 | *** join/#debian bernie (i=^_^@lec67-3-82-242-207-82.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:16.32 | xoz | itguru: and ffmpeg also |
| 18:16.36 | *** join/#debian dex (n=dex@91.108.167.190) |
| 18:16.57 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 18:17.53 | *** join/#debian cyberbaze (n=UnUsual@unaffiliated/cyberbaze) |
| 18:17.54 | tomdick | itguru: i just noticed your question, has anyone recommended dd_rescue yet? |
| 18:18.00 | Catachan | When the lid button is pressed, X, or the kernel, I don't know how to figure out which, dies. (Though if it is the kernel, then it would be a panic, but, since the display dies completely, I don't really know, even the backlight stops working) |
| 18:18.26 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@58.71.19.178) |
| 18:18.28 | itguru | tomdick: yeah, someone said dd_rescue ... but I'm using dd with noerros on |
| 18:18.38 | wintix | Yggdrasil: what video card? check that the kernel sources are wherever the symlink in /lib/modules/kernelver/source points. normally /usr/src/kernelver |
| 18:18.56 | bonez39 | I recently apt-get dist-upgrade my system...still running 3.1...but hoping to move to 4.0 soon.. in the process of this last dist-upgrade..now when I hit return, if I have new email...it doesn't show on the prompt, as it used to |
| 18:19.03 | cyberbaze | i have some sound problems , i get a message that i dont have privileges to /dev/dsp , so as root i changed them even to 777 , so i did aslaconf and it finds my intel (integrated) soundcard , by when starting kmix it says that there isnt any sound card :S , any suggestions ? |
| 18:19.36 | xoz | itguru: ffmpeg supports hdtv resolution and since it understands mpeg/avi errors, it may have better output than noerror dd |
| 18:19.40 | wintix | cyberbaze: alsamixer? |
| 18:19.54 | cyberbaze | wintix: alsamixer recognises |
| 18:20.19 | wintix | get rid of kde then. (or tell the kde sound daemon to use alsa or somthing like that) |
| 18:20.26 | Yggdrasil | wintix ok |
| 18:20.56 | Vasistha | itguru: remastering doesn't necessarily imply losing resolution; you can create a new menu system and reuse the VOBs |
| 18:21.01 | wintix | s/somthing/something/ |
| 18:21.03 | itguru | true |
| 18:21.13 | itguru | but i got like an hour to get it ready for someone :) |
| 18:21.13 | cyberbaze | wintix: may i pvt you please ? |
| 18:21.27 | wintix | cyberbaze: just ask your questions here. |
| 18:21.36 | Vasistha | itguru: sounds like a good candidate for "who cares about perfect resolution" |
| 18:21.38 | cyberbaze | well what do i do ? |
| 18:22.03 | valdyn | cyberbaze: why are you messing with permissions? |
| 18:22.03 | xoz | if you have a plasma display, you will care |
| 18:22.19 | valdyn | cyberbaze: add yourself to the audio group to do this the proper way |
| 18:22.31 | wintix | cyberbaze: somewhere in the kde settings you can set the device the kde system uses. (and also what kmixer should use) |
| 18:23.00 | cyberbaze | i wil try now , but if i dont sucseed i will ask here again , ok ? |
| 18:23.09 | *** join/#debian kw0lf (n=kw0lf@nelug/coreteam/kwolf) |
| 18:23.11 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: that's implied ;-) |
| 18:23.17 | *** join/#debian kupesoft (n=dave@user78-173.wireless.utoronto.ca) |
| 18:23.18 | cyberbaze | :D |
| 18:23.37 | xoz | !beer cyberbaze |
| 18:23.58 | *** part/#debian Damm_ (i=damm@cl-51.qas-01.us.sixxs.net) |
| 18:24.09 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-084-056-026-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:24.14 | aronofsky | can anyone explain me the difference between LDFLAGS and LD_LIBRARY_PATH because i try to compile openldap with bdb in /usr/local and it doesn't work with LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/db/lib" , I got to put LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/db/lib" ... i dont reallt understand why ? |
| 18:24.20 | *** part/#debian alleyoopster (n=dan@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 18:24.35 | gpm | off of one |
| 18:24.42 | gpm | i wish i could do that |
| 18:24.44 | cyberbaze | okey , i got the sound settings to defult and thisis what i get : Sound server informational message:Error while initializing the sound driver:device /dev/dsp can't be opened(Permission denied)The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 18:24.47 | itguru | xoz: exactly! lol |
| 18:24.51 | Vasistha | gpm: maybe he already had a few |
| 18:25.01 | gpm | Vasistha: mmm, good point |
| 18:25.14 | *** join/#debian Sambler (n=OKASO@182.Red-80-32-190.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:25.16 | gpm | don't know about you guys, but it's still before noon here |
| 18:25.17 | wintix | cyberbaze: tell the sound system to use alsa. |
| 18:25.18 | valdyn | aronofsky: LD_LIBRARY_PATH adds paths to search for libraries when RUNNING a program, it has nothing to do with compiling |
| 18:25.22 | gpm | i draw a line there |
| 18:25.22 | *** join/#debian xored (n=6931maYe@i3ED6C3A0.versanet.de) |
| 18:25.27 | gpm | no drinking until the pm at least |
| 18:25.38 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:25.52 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: well, keep in mind this gotcha -- if you add your user to a group, but don't restart your X session, the user will not have that group membership in his environment until you restart X |
| 18:25.59 | aronofsky | valdyn, wo why does the .configure work only with it ? |
| 18:26.14 | cyberbaze | wintix: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) |
| 18:26.25 | *** join/#debian laidback_01 (n=laidback@block-66.135.79.23.montanasat.net) |
| 18:26.28 | valdyn | aronofsky: how should i know? |
| 18:26.29 | Yggdrasil | wintix it is indeed symlinked under /usr/src/linux to the kernel source, it is 2.6.20.1 kernel |
| 18:27.01 | wintix | Yggdrasil: check where /usr/src/linux points. if that points to the correct source code, you should be all set. |
| 18:27.04 | *** join/#debian eleftherios (n=elefther@unaffiliated/eleftherios) |
| 18:27.13 | wintix | Yggdrasil: what video card is it, you are trying to get going? |
| 18:27.21 | aronofsky | valdyn, simple question , im just tryin to understand |
| 18:27.33 | laidback_01 | hey folks, I just deleted /dev cause I had it mounted in a chroot with --bind, and changed my mind on the install, deleted the chroot, and with it much of /dev. My system will no longer come up - saying it can't open initial console. how do I repopulate /dev? This is an etch system. |
| 18:27.36 | *** join/#debian zulin (n=chatzill@85.249.73.53) |
| 18:27.38 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:27.50 | zulin | hi, channel |
| 18:27.53 | valdyn | aronofsky: its a question like 'why does my car not work', i cant know that either without real information |
| 18:28.10 | Yggdrasil | wintix its the nvidia mx 400 specificaly the svideo out. and ive used the same installer for a bout a year and half, and its always worked |
| 18:28.20 | Yggdrasil | im gonna recompile with a different source |
| 18:28.30 | *** part/#debian zulin (n=chatzill@85.249.73.53) |
| 18:28.31 | wintix | !tell Yggdrasil about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:28.32 | aronofsky | valdyn, yeah you(re right , sorry |
| 18:28.38 | valdyn | aronofsky: -L expects a library, not a path iirc |
| 18:28.42 | wintix | Yggdrasil: with the mx 400 you might need to use the legacy driver. |
| 18:28.49 | *** join/#debian binarybrain_ (n=joel@dslb-084-060-145-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:28.57 | Yggdrasil | wintix i am |
| 18:29.08 | laidback_01 | is there a script to just make all the standard devices in /dev and then let udev take over from there? |
| 18:29.16 | cyberbaze | did you ppl just forget about me ? :D when set to alsa i get device: default can't be opened for playback (No such device) :S |
| 18:29.34 | aronofsky | valdyn, oh really , so I use it wrong ? |
| 18:29.35 | wintix | cyberbaze: do what Vasistha told you? |
| 18:29.56 | valdyn | aronofsky: yes |
| 18:30.20 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: here, to test -- do you have an xterm window open? type 'groups' and see if your user is in the audio group |
| 18:30.29 | wintix | Yggdrasil: are you using a binary driver from nvidia.com or did you do it the debian way? |
| 18:30.35 | aronofsky | valdyn, its the same for -I ? |
| 18:30.39 | laidback_01 | anyone in here know about devices and the /dev dir? |
| 18:30.47 | valdyn | aronofsky: im checking, hold on. |
| 18:31.06 | cyberbaze | cyberbaze |
| 18:31.10 | xoz | laidback_01: MAKEDEV but i don't know if it is compat with udev. maybe udev has its own makedev. |
| 18:31.12 | aronofsky | valdyn, where can I check that btw , man gcc ? |
| 18:31.25 | valdyn | aronofsky: nm, dir is ok |
| 18:31.27 | valdyn | aronofsky: yes |
| 18:31.52 | aronofsky | valdyn, dir is ok for -I but not -L , that it ? |
| 18:31.53 | valdyn | aronofsky: this isnt going to fix your ./configure script though in any case, i guess |
| 18:31.54 | Yggdrasil | wintix the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8762-pkg1.run file |
| 18:32.03 | valdyn | aronofsky: nah, its ok for both |
| 18:32.03 | Yggdrasil | wintix, im going to try another kernel src and recompile it |
| 18:32.08 | Yggdrasil | i think thats gotta be the problem |
| 18:32.11 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: alright, now hit ctrl+alt+F2 which will bring you to a virtual terminal (you'll hit ctrl+alt+F7 to come back to the gui) log in as cyberbaze and type 'groups' again and see if you're in the audio group |
| 18:32.12 | Yggdrasil | bbl |
| 18:32.12 | wintix | Yggdrasil: we don't support the binary drivers from nvidia. |
| 18:32.15 | Yggdrasil | will you be around |
| 18:32.22 | wintix | Yggdrasil: do it the debian way like dpkg told you. |
| 18:32.23 | Yggdrasil | wintix, it works . is all i know |
| 18:32.32 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 18:32.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 18:32.43 | Yggdrasil | wintix ok ill try that ooo |
| 18:32.44 | Yggdrasil | too |
| 18:32.45 | Yggdrasil | brb |
| 18:32.46 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: please don't /msg me. Just watch for your highlights ;-) |
| 18:32.59 | valdyn | aronofsky: ./configure usually works fine in debian once the proper packages are installed, so you might want to start there |
| 18:33.02 | aronofsky | valdyn, do you want to take a look at my config.log ? |
| 18:33.03 | wintix | Yggdrasil: try that first. |
| 18:33.16 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: if you're using a decent irc client, you ought to get highlighted anyway, so the messages directed to you should jump ouy |
| 18:33.18 | wintix | it will work if your sources are in the correct place. |
| 18:33.22 | valdyn | aronofsky: exceptions exist though, like the non-standard build system of qt |
| 18:33.24 | cyberbaze | aaaaaaaargh ,, done groups in other session and i still get "cyberbaze" when i type groups |
| 18:33.37 | *** join/#debian macsim_ (n=macsim@LSt-Amand-152-32-31-103.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:33.39 | valdyn | aronofsky: only at the error where ./configure fails |
| 18:33.44 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: in the other session? you mean, on the virtual terminal, where you just freshly logged in? |
| 18:33.50 | aronofsky | valdyn, ok just a sec |
| 18:34.01 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: i'm not that lame , i use xchat :D , and yes the thing that you cal virtual terminal :D |
| 18:34.07 | valdyn | aronofsky: and the name of the program you are trying to compile |
| 18:34.14 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: don't worry too much, this is aggravating for everyone ;-) |
| 18:34.20 | abrotman | xand: can you file a wishlist bug for me ? |
| 18:34.33 | aronofsky | valdyn, ok , can I send you that in a private msg ? |
| 18:34.39 | valdyn | !paste |
| 18:34.39 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 18:34.45 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: but i just cant stand without my amarok playing , we must get this done :D |
| 18:34.45 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: well, it sounds like you didn't get yourself properly added to the group. How did you go about adding yourself to the group? |
| 18:34.52 | wintix | cyberbaze: how did you add yourself to the group audio? |
| 18:35.12 | wintix | valdyn: the paste bot is down. |
| 18:35.23 | valdyn | wintix: np |
| 18:35.25 | xand | abrotman: why? |
| 18:35.32 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:35.37 | cyberbaze | well acctualy i have 500id :D and i added this user with gui logged as root and used some user management app :D |
| 18:35.43 | abrotman | xand: because i hate bugzilla :) |
| 18:35.50 | valdyn | wintix: he can give us the URL as with any other paste site, cant he? |
| 18:35.52 | *** join/#debian sciboy (n=sciboy@203-217-74-147.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 18:35.55 | sciboy | :( |
| 18:35.59 | aronofsky | valdyn, seems like those URL don't work |
| 18:36.00 | xand | abrotman: debian doesn't use bugzilla |
| 18:36.04 | valdyn | aronofsky: ok |
| 18:36.05 | Maerz | grml. now, 2 console ftp clients say 500 Illegal PORT command when i want to list files.. whyyy ? |
| 18:36.06 | abrotman | Thunderbird does |
| 18:36.07 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: alright, let's just do it the right way: usermod -a -G audio cyberbaze |
| 18:36.08 | wintix | valdyn: yes. but you ~told him to use the paster. |
| 18:36.16 | valdyn | aronofsky: try pastebin.ca |
| 18:36.24 | xand | abrotman: this isn't #thunderbird :p |
| 18:36.57 | xand | abrotman: what wish? I wish tb was less buggy |
| 18:36.57 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: after that, go back to the virtual terminal, log out, log in again, and see if you're in the group |
| 18:36.57 | sciboy | I are sad, the only open source traditional animation software out there and i can't find a dev interested in porting it. =( |
| 18:36.58 | abrotman | xand: to have a "Delete messages from Trash after ### days" ... please!!! |
| 18:37.00 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:37.16 | *** join/#debian JonJ (n=jon@ti121210a081-8251.bb.online.no) |
| 18:37.26 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@201.89.2.174) |
| 18:37.35 | cyberbaze | now i get cyberbaze audio , should i add myself to some other groups too , or just reastart my x ? |
| 18:37.41 | joeljkp | i'm having a problem with a lot of my man pages being corrupted |
| 18:37.55 | joeljkp | ; instead of " for instance |
| 18:38.14 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-023.eplus-online.de) |
| 18:38.20 | joeljkp | this is on a fresh install of etch last night |
| 18:38.22 | valdyn | cyberbaze: you need to relogin. If restarting X implies that, fine |
| 18:38.32 | xoz | joeljkp: locale problem? change locale and regenerate man. |
| 18:38.48 | *** join/#debian sgeigerbot (n=user@h460d643a.area2.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:38.51 | joeljkp | xoz: maybe, my locale is en_US.UTF8 |
| 18:38.56 | joeljkp | xoz: how do i regen and all that? |
| 18:39.05 | wintix | joeljkp: /msg dpkg locales |
| 18:39.47 | quitte | hmm. why do wtmp files get removed after just a single rotation? |
| 18:40.02 | cyberbaze | valdyn: should i add to adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin powerdev scanner admin , too ? :D:D |
| 18:40.09 | *** join/#debian lexoplex (n=alex@e181124089.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:40.11 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: I dunno, are there any other groups you want to be a part of? If I were you I would just restart X so you're that much closer to your amarok fix |
| 18:40.16 | abrotman | xand: is that a no ? |
| 18:40.25 | valdyn | cyberbaze: only if you need those capabilities |
| 18:40.56 | valdyn | cyberbaze: most probably you only need a few of those |
| 18:40.58 | cyberbaze | so not being _member_ of video is the reason my kaffeine crushes ? :D:D |
| 18:41.06 | xand | abrotman: DIY! |
| 18:41.28 | joeljkp | xoz: how do i regen man? |
| 18:41.49 | abrotman | xand: but it's bugzilla .. it makes me feel dirty |
| 18:41.51 | valdyn | cyberbaze: audio,video are the common ones i guess |
| 18:41.51 | wintix | joeljkp: i already told you. |
| 18:41.55 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:42.00 | cyberbaze | valdyn: what gorups are you in ? :D so i do the same :D |
| 18:42.18 | valdyn | cyberbaze: that's probably not the right thing.. but ok |
| 18:42.18 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: if I were you I would *not* make your user a member of admin, lpadmin, powerdev, plugdev, netdev. And I don't know what adm or dip do |
| 18:42.18 | xoz | anyone know how to regen manpages... i think it is in your cron. it is together with updatedb |
| 18:42.35 | valdyn | cyberbaze: valdyn adm dialout cdrom floppy audio src video plugdev fuse gnunet netdev vdr loop kqemu |
| 18:42.46 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: that are some ubuntu groups i guess |
| 18:42.52 | xand | xoz: /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
| 18:42.52 | valdyn | cyberbaze: actually, that's probably a good point to remove myself from a few groups |
| 18:43.09 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: are you using *ubuntu*? |
| 18:43.15 | cyberbaze | nah , kanotix |
| 18:43.19 | wintix | ... |
| 18:43.24 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 18:43.24 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:43.25 | xoz | joeljkp: read xand |
| 18:43.37 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:43.42 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: that said, we've probabl already solved your problem :P |
| 18:43.46 | xand | cyberbaze: #kanotix |
| 18:44.09 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: yes my problem is solved , xand already tried :D |
| 18:44.24 | cyberbaze | meaning you all use pure debian ? :D |
| 18:44.30 | xand | cyberbaze: yes. |
| 18:44.32 | wintix | yes. |
| 18:44.41 | cyberbaze | etch ? |
| 18:44.45 | xoz | joeljkp: read /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
| 18:44.50 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: yes, this channel is only for debian, not for distros based on debian. Now why don't you scurry off before we all heckle you out of here |
| 18:45.00 | wintix | hehe |
| 18:45.06 | valdyn | cyberbaze: the loop group is a very serious security hole fyi, you dont want to be in it if you dont need it |
| 18:45.10 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: and i WILL take that as a joke :D |
| 18:45.33 | xand | cyberbaze: it's no joke |
| 18:45.40 | *** join/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54A76807.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:45.48 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: it kinda wasn't; we give people a *very* hard time for trying to get support for other distros in here. |
| 18:45.56 | *** join/#debian jnsears (n=jnsears@VPN01-WLAN-0135.VPN.NYU.EDU) |
| 18:46.03 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.79.243) |
| 18:46.19 | *** part/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@p54A76807.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:46.45 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: would you burn my a a etch iso ? becouse you know i can download it but dont have a rw to burn it , so .. |
| 18:47.03 | concept10 | !info kdrive |
| 18:47.09 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: I don't have a working cd-rom drive, let alone a burner. You can just do an install from hard drive, that's what I do |
| 18:47.31 | wintix | concept10: or from a usb stick. |
| 18:47.33 | joeljkp | xoz: ok, i regenerated, and the problem's still there |
| 18:47.39 | wintix | err. cyberbaze |
| 18:47.40 | Ronin | cyberbaze: do you have a r? cds are chea; |
| 18:47.41 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 18:48.04 | cyberbaze | i kinda have 32x sony cd rom :D |
| 18:48.19 | xoz | joeljkp: change terminal. it might be because of your terminal or the font of your terminal |
| 18:48.20 | wintix | well. use one of them. |
| 18:48.32 | *** join/#debian ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-54-82-251-83-180.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 18:48.39 | wintix | oh. no burner. |
| 18:48.40 | joeljkp | xoz: i'm using gnome-terminal on ubuntu, also utf-8 |
| 18:48.44 | cyberbaze | yeap :D |
| 18:48.58 | xoz | joeljkp: try rxvt or xterm just to check |
| 18:49.01 | itchi | What's the best way to share a printer between linux boxes? |
| 18:49.08 | cyberbaze | and i really want to try etch , but that's it |
| 18:49.10 | *** join/#debian dtrump (n=asdfd@du-005-0146.claranet.co.uk) |
| 18:49.21 | wintix | cyberbaze: you can install from a usb stick or something. or just debootstrap from your current linux :) |
| 18:49.32 | *** join/#debian rvalles (n=lodoss@92.red-80-28-117.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net) |
| 18:49.45 | xoz | cyberbaze: deboostrap from kanotix and then you are welcome here. |
| 18:49.45 | wintix | !tell cyberbaze about debootstrap |
| 18:49.57 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:50.01 | cyberbaze | i have a mp3 player (but it's only 256) :D , and yes tell me about debootstrap , is it risky ? |
| 18:50.02 | joeljkp | xoz: yeah, same on xterm |
| 18:50.02 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 18:50.06 | joeljkp | xoz: it's man smb.conf |
| 18:50.10 | concept10 | !info tinyx |
| 18:50.24 | *** join/#debian tonyb2006 (n=tonyb@2002:4571:29c2:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 18:50.29 | *** join/#debian spyro_boy (i=spyroboy@tuxhacker/spyroboy) |
| 18:50.40 | valdyn | itchi: best? how best? |
| 18:50.49 | valdyn | itchi: many methods work perfectly fine |
| 18:50.51 | *** join/#debian Zeit|idle (n=wurscht@p54A7A7A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:50.59 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: I'd say you don't really need debootstrap, it's actually really easy to boot from the debian-installer vmlinuz+initrd |
| 18:51.07 | valdyn | itchi: you probably want to use cupsys though, accross systems |
| 18:51.09 | joeljkp | can anyone confirm that to use cron.daily, etc. i need anacron installed, and if it's not installed, i should install it? |
| 18:51.27 | joeljkp | i have just plain cron installed now, from the installer |
| 18:51.28 | valdyn | joeljkp: nope |
| 18:51.43 | *** join/#debian simmerz (n=simmerz@iitempest.demon.co.uk) |
| 18:51.45 | joeljkp | valdyn: no? |
| 18:51.46 | xoz | joeljkp: have you upgraded recently. might be bug? |
| 18:52.00 | joeljkp | xoz: no, this is a fresh install from last night, 4.0r0 media |
| 18:52.03 | valdyn | joeljkp: anacron's only purpose is to make cron jobs be run even if your computer isnt up all the time. |
| 18:52.22 | joeljkp | valdyn: yeah, but i looked in /etc/crontab, and it's looking for /usr/sbin/anacron |
| 18:52.31 | xoz | joeljkp: try aptitude update; aptitude upgrade to check if there are some last minute cchanges |
| 18:52.31 | valdyn | joeljkp: so? |
| 18:52.36 | itchi | valdyn: I dunno how to set it up, im looking on http://www.linuxprinting.org and that's is it :-) |
| 18:52.45 | valdyn | joeljkp: you are not getting the purpose of that check |
| 18:52.52 | joeljkp | valdyn: ok, what's the purpose |
| 18:52.53 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.79.243) |
| 18:53.01 | valdyn | joeljkp: cron will run cronjobs itself unless anacron is installed, then anacron will handle those jobs |
| 18:53.34 | *** join/#debian Zygentoma (n=Schwach-@L3f85.l.pppool.de) |
| 18:53.43 | *** join/#debian pseubodot (n=p-dot@unaffiliated/pseubodot) |
| 18:53.55 | valdyn | joeljkp: always up box: use just cron. Box that is switched off regularily: consider anacron |
| 18:54.00 | itchi | valdyn: I used printconf to set it up, that was peace of cake :-) |
| 18:54.11 | xoz | joeljkp: anacron is for notebook computers that are often not up and running. |
| 18:54.20 | Vasistha | dpkg: hd-media is <reply> To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
| 18:54.20 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn | joeljkp: a cronjojob supposed to run at 12:00 will be skipped if the box is switched off, unless anacron is installed, then anacron will deal with it |
| 18:55.08 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: ^^^ |
| 18:55.12 | joeljkp | valdyn: hmm, i see now |
| 18:55.15 | Spec | Where can I find a woody mirror? |
| 18:55.18 | joeljkp | valdyn: what is run-parts? |
| 18:55.29 | laidback_01 | okay, so I've emptied the /dev dir totally - I can chroot to the system, but have no idea how to repopulate the dev dir - anyone have a clue? |
| 18:55.41 | valdyn | joeljkp: run everything found where specified |
| 18:55.50 | Vasistha | !tell Spec -about archives |
| 18:55.51 | stew | laidback_01: cd /dev ; MAKEDEV generic |
| 18:55.52 | joeljkp | valdyn: mm, i see |
| 18:55.53 | cyberbaze | just of curiosuty , how mb's is it ? :D |
| 18:55.57 | cyberbaze | i mean etch |
| 18:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 823] by debhelper |
| 18:56.14 | *** join/#debian Pobega (n=pobega@pool-71-125-23-227.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:56.15 | joeljkp | valdyn: cool, thanks |
| 18:56.25 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: an absolute base system is about 250 MB |
| 18:56.32 | stew | laidback_01: you may need to specify the path to /sbin/MAKEDEV explicitly |
| 18:56.34 | valdyn | laidback_01: is udev installed? |
| 18:56.44 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: when you start adding X and apps, it can be as big as you want ;-) |
| 18:57.00 | cyberbaze | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 18:57.01 | *** part/#debian sciboy (n=sciboy@203-217-74-147.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 18:57.16 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: get the net install iso |
| 18:57.22 | gpm | cyberbaze: the cd images (if you get all of them or the dvds) contain all the packages |
| 18:57.25 | gpm | which is huge |
| 18:57.26 | Spec | Vasistha: thanks |
| 18:57.29 | gpm | and almost nobody needs that |
| 18:57.44 | cyberbaze | so acctualy what do i need ? :D |
| 18:57.51 | gpm | netinstall is good |
| 18:57.59 | gpm | or businesscard if you want to run lenny or sid |
| 18:58.10 | wintix | gpm: don't recommend sid. |
| 18:58.14 | gpm | i didn't |
| 18:58.18 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: and btw, your question about how big it is -- that's answered in the install guide, which you should consider reading. It will answer a lot of questions that you might otherwise ask in here, and will educate you in other ways as well |
| 18:58.21 | wintix | well. sort of ;) |
| 18:58.23 | gpm | no |
| 18:58.25 | gpm | not at all |
| 18:58.31 | valdyn | laidback_01: if that is a chroot system, then /dev coould be a bind mount from the main system. Otherwise udev might regenerate device nodes. Debian with udev installed has the /dev on disk in /dev/.static/ |
| 18:58.40 | wintix | let me rephrase. son't tell him ybout sid, gpm ;) |
| 18:58.53 | wintix | s/son't/don't/ |
| 18:59.10 | jazbo2185 | upgraded two systems to etch and so far not a hitch. Thanks to all involved. |
| 18:59.13 | *** join/#debian roland_ (n=tmroland@86.107.24.144) |
| 18:59.15 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@l85-130-137-23.broadband.actcom.net.il) |
| 18:59.16 | gpm | i understand your concern |
| 18:59.22 | gpm | but they will discover sid sooner or later |
| 18:59.24 | *** join/#debian endra (n=amine@unaffiliated/endra) |
| 18:59.25 | gpm | hopefully later |
| 18:59.26 | endra | hey |
| 18:59.30 | wad | Which is invoked first, /etc/procmailrc or /home/user/.procmailrc ? |
| 18:59.31 | gpm | when they know about apt-listbugs |
| 18:59.32 | wintix | gpm: yes :) |
| 18:59.45 | roland_ | hey guys .. i have some old debian woody cds can i use them somehow to net-install the latest debian 4.0 ? |
| 18:59.48 | gpm | wad: ~/.procmailrc |
| 18:59.49 | roland_ | or i need 4.0 media |
| 18:59.52 | wintix | roland_: no |
| 18:59.54 | endra | I'm interested in getting a dedicated server to host ftp/subversion/apache, are those easy to install wih debian? |
| 18:59.56 | wad | gdm, thanks! |
| 19:00.03 | Vasistha | roland_: just get a net install disc for etch |
| 19:00.03 | valdyn | endra: yes |
| 19:00.05 | gpm | wad: the user prefs override global almost every time |
| 19:00.07 | gpm | iirc |
| 19:00.08 | joeljkp | so can i just create /etc/apt/apt.conf, even thought /etc/apt/apt.conf.d exists? |
| 19:00.09 | wintix | roland_: get a netinstall cd |
| 19:00.12 | gpm | i'm no expert |
| 19:00.20 | stew | joeljkp: yes, both are read |
| 19:00.22 | wad | gpm, good enough for me. :) |
| 19:00.23 | joeljkp | stew: thanks |
| 19:00.39 | endra | valdyn: what are the chances of me breaking things :P |
| 19:00.52 | valdyn | endra: 100%? |
| 19:00.55 | *** join/#debian _Decepticon (n=deceptic@dhcp142115.rogers.fsu.edu) |
| 19:01.01 | valdyn | endra: how the hell should i guess what you are going to do? |
| 19:01.01 | gpm | nice |
| 19:01.03 | cyberbaze | time for a reloging and amarok to run ! :D |
| 19:01.13 | *** part/#debian DavidProck1981 (n=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 19:01.24 | valdyn | endra: i can assure you that rm -rf / is easy and will guaranteed break something ;) |
| 19:01.32 | wintix | harr |
| 19:01.39 | *** join/#debian lftl_ (n=spanky@adsl-072-148-023-022.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:01.39 | endra | valdyn: well, I want to install ftpd, subversion, and apache.. is it a 1 line thing or download, compile, blah blah |
| 19:01.50 | valdyn | endra: one line thing |
| 19:01.51 | endra | valdyn: I'm not really familiar with debian |
| 19:02.18 | Angus | Can I limit the bandwidth apt-get uses? |
| 19:02.23 | Vasistha | endra: to answer your question, those things shouldn't be too difficult to install and configure. don't forget to open up your firewall so they can work |
| 19:02.51 | *** join/#debian alleyoopster (n=dan@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 19:03.06 | gpm | jeez |
| 19:03.06 | valdyn | endra: something like 'apt-get install vsftp apache2 libapache2-svn' |
| 19:03.13 | gpm | finally an answer |
| 19:03.21 | gpm | pranksters these guys |
| 19:03.25 | joeljkp | cool, /etc/cron.daily/apt is a great script |
| 19:03.57 | laidback_01 | stew thanks for the tip on the dev issue, ti seems to have worked |
| 19:04.01 | *** part/#debian roland_ (n=tmroland@86.107.24.144) |
| 19:04.05 | DawnLight | whats the best way to browse web pages that use activex? |
| 19:04.12 | gpm | windows! |
| 19:04.13 | endra | Vasistha: debian comes with a firewall, or do you mean routers and whatnot? |
| 19:04.18 | DawnLight | nice |
| 19:04.20 | wintix | !windows |
| 19:04.20 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 19:04.20 | *** join/#debian cyberbaze (n=UnUsual@unaffiliated/cyberbaze) |
| 19:04.24 | zinx | DawnLight: tell the company you won't use their site unless they use something more portable |
| 19:04.25 | endra | Vasistha: I use gentoo normally so I've no idea what debian is like |
| 19:04.27 | valdyn | DawnLight: internet exploror is the only way, google ie4linux |
| 19:04.33 | valdyn | DawnLight: ugly but works... |
| 19:04.34 | Vasistha | endra: well, both. linux kernels tend to come with iptables nowadays |
| 19:04.41 | gpm | wine? |
| 19:04.49 | cyberbaze | problem fixed , thanks to you guys :D |
| 19:04.58 | DawnLight | that's what i'm doing currently |
| 19:04.59 | alleyoopster | good evening all |
| 19:05.03 | zinx | DawnLight: ActiveX is very windows-specific - basically the browser downloads a windows executable and runs it. |
| 19:05.08 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: you're welcome. Now, are you serious about installing debian? |
| 19:05.16 | joeljkp | anyone else seeing a problem with `man smb.conf`? |
| 19:05.37 | *** join/#debian JohnML (n=john1@pd9e8ba35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:05.43 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 19:05.51 | wintix | !anyone |
| 19:05.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:05.58 | cyberbaze | Vasistha: yes i am , i will go to a internet caffe and donwload and burn the netinstall (it's the one with 180mb right?) and then do dist update |
| 19:05.59 | *** join/#debian drwahl_ (n=drwahl@74-60-14-105.sea.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 19:06.04 | Vasistha | joeljkp: why don't you describe the problem that you're having? |
| 19:06.20 | alleyoopster | !hello |
| 19:06.20 | dpkg | Hi, alleyoopster! |
| 19:06.22 | joeljkp | vasistha: it's corrupted, special symbols are showing up like Å |
| 19:06.38 | joeljkp | vasistha: i've tried regenerating my locale and regenerating the man-db |
| 19:06.38 | Vasistha | cyberbaze: well, "dist-upgrade" is a special term, so that's probably not what you're doing, but -- I think you will be doing what you think of as "dist upgrade" |
| 19:06.40 | wintix | cyberbaze: about 150 or something. depends on the architecture. |
| 19:06.44 | valdyn | joeljkp: same for other manpages? |
| 19:06.49 | joeljkp | valdyn: no |
| 19:06.52 | *** join/#debian dererk (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 19:06.56 | valdyn | joeljkp: reinstall the packaeg owning it |
| 19:07.06 | *** join/#debian lebifteksauvage (n=mafia34@cro34-1-82-225-180-48.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:07.09 | Vasistha | joeljkp: that's a utf-8 character |
| 19:07.23 | joeljkp | vasistha: yeah, i'm in en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:07.28 | gpm | alleyoopster: the first time i saw your nick, i thought it was alleypoopster, which would also be great |
| 19:07.35 | *** join/#debian qR4c^d4d0 (n=d4d0@i131151.upc-i.chello.nl) |
| 19:07.56 | alleyoopster | gpm: now that would just be wrong |
| 19:07.58 | bux | iptables -t nat -o eth0 -j MASUQERADE what am i missing for NAT forward? |
| 19:08.05 | *** join/#debian mcgreg (n=pegasos2@kref-4db67fc0.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:08.11 | mcgreg | hi |
| 19:08.23 | Vasistha | bux: well, you might want to spell MASQUERADE properly, but I don't know about your problem in general |
| 19:08.25 | valdyn | bux: adjusting /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ? |
| 19:08.36 | alleyoopster | hi mcgreg |
| 19:08.38 | gpm | alleyoopster: hey, when you gotta go, you gotta go |
| 19:08.45 | mcgreg | I have install a debian-linux -amd64 .. now I cant install opera on it, as opera is simple i386... any chance to trick it out? |
| 19:09.03 | Vasistha | mcgreg: ask #opera on irc.opera.net |
| 19:09.21 | Vasistha | mcgreg: a number of the guys there run debian |
| 19:09.26 | valdyn | mcgreg: you could use their tar.gz, if it exists |
| 19:09.39 | bux | valdyn: found it already. forgot POSTROUTING |
| 19:09.48 | alleyoopster | gpm: just think all that pooping would distract from the highly technical discussions |
| 19:10.28 | *** join/#debian aldin (n=aldin@cm-1026.europronet.ba) |
| 19:10.33 | gpm | alleyoopster: fair 'nough |
| 19:10.59 | alleyoopster | gpm: and it would get way too smelly |
| 19:11.14 | gpm | the alleys you mean? |
| 19:11.28 | *** join/#debian p4tux (n=p4tux@189.169.63.117) |
| 19:11.30 | gpm | !shit |
| 19:11.30 | dpkg | from memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 19:11.43 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 19:12.03 | xand | abrotman: i'll log it if you log one for me :P |
| 19:12.10 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 19:12.13 | xand | abrotman: anyway, i think it's better than BTS |
| 19:12.18 | xand | debian BTS that is |
| 19:12.29 | alleyoopster | gpm: not sure how long I can talk about shit, talking shit that's a given |
| 19:12.44 | gpm | alleyoopster: yeah, we should stop |
| 19:12.47 | abrotman | xand: bugzilla gives me heartburn :) |
| 19:12.58 | joeljkp | launchpad FTW! |
| 19:13.10 | *** join/#debian atlas95 (n=atlas@84.5.54.145) |
| 19:13.12 | gpm | ah jeez |
| 19:13.17 | gpm | i love the bts |
| 19:13.32 | xand | it needs a nice web interface |
| 19:13.43 | gpm | the one it has is fine |
| 19:13.49 | gpm | what, not web 2.0 enough for you? |
| 19:14.09 | gpm | haha |
| 19:14.10 | *** join/#debian oa__ (n=oa@AMontsouris-151-1-93-237.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:14.14 | gpm | sorry, i just checked digg |
| 19:14.16 | gpm | :P |
| 19:14.34 | gpm | spanking...interesting punishment |
| 19:14.40 | alleyoopster | I didn't know spanking was allowed here |
| 19:14.54 | gpm | yeah, to be honest, i feel sort of....violated |
| 19:15.03 | *** join/#debian Glenn^BF (n=fburlet@user-85-201-11-162.tvcablenet.be) |
| 19:15.24 | wintix | hehe |
| 19:15.24 | alleyoopster | yeah sure |
| 19:15.30 | alleyoopster | you loved it |
| 19:16.10 | xand | :( |
| 19:16.10 | abrotman | xand: bugzilla sure does ... |
| 19:16.19 | Caelum | dpkg really needs a new database format, it's slow as fuck |
| 19:16.33 | xand | abrotman: newsgroups support in TB is awful |
| 19:16.42 | abrotman | i don't use them .. wouldn't know |
| 19:16.46 | xand | pah |
| 19:16.54 | gpm | haha |
| 19:16.56 | Ronin | xand: slrn |
| 19:16.58 | gpm | pan ftw |
| 19:17.02 | xand | I wrote my own news client |
| 19:17.13 | Vasistha | Caelum: I think part of the slowdown is that it's just running on some guy's second computer in his apartment |
| 19:17.13 | xand | a web based one |
| 19:17.18 | gpm | nice |
| 19:17.25 | Ronin | xand: thats called google groups then |
| 19:17.29 | gpm | hahaha |
| 19:18.05 | Caelum | Vasistha: haha, I meannt the progrram not the bot :) |
| 19:18.24 | gpm | lol |
| 19:18.37 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 19:18.39 | xand | Ronin: pfft, mine has a much better interface |
| 19:18.40 | *** join/#debian GhostlyDeath (n=steven@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 19:18.44 | gpm | i've never had to wait too long for dpkg |
| 19:18.45 | xand | I hate google groups... used to be ok |
| 19:18.49 | xand | but then they broke it |
| 19:18.52 | gpm | how? |
| 19:19.05 | xand | Ronin: anyway, this is primarily for the server at work which has private groups |
| 19:19.26 | xand | how what? |
| 19:19.29 | *** join/#debian ole (n=olemoudi@248.Red-83-43-219.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:19.32 | laidback_01 | stew, the information you gave me about MAKEDEV workd perfectly, thanks much! |
| 19:19.57 | *** join/#debian hunterones2 (n=who@c9067472.static.spo.virtua.com.br) |
| 19:20.20 | hunterones2 | how do i change my default charset on mysql??? |
| 19:20.51 | gpm | xand: how did they break google groups? |
| 19:21.01 | xand | gpm: they just made the interface worse |
| 19:21.25 | xand | gpm: and I dont like how it has groups that aren't usenet ones |
| 19:21.41 | *** join/#debian bookses (i=bookses@211.158.52.16) |
| 19:21.47 | Vasistha | hunterones2: if you don't get an answer here, ask #mysql |
| 19:21.48 | Ronin | nor for every purpose |
| 19:21.53 | bookses | Hello,everyone |
| 19:22.02 | hunterones2 | Vasistha, thx |
| 19:22.15 | xand | gpm: also, it doesn't seem to thread anymore |
| 19:22.19 | *** join/#debian n3kl (n=n3kl@67-41-218-196.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 19:22.27 | bookses | I wonder whether wine can run on etch with unbutu 7.04's package? |
| 19:22.32 | gpm | fair enough |
| 19:22.41 | n3kl | HI. How can I generate ssl/tls certificates for use with postfix smtp auth? |
| 19:22.41 | gpm | bookses: whyyyyyyyyyy? |
| 19:22.42 | xand | bookses: what's wrong with debian's wine? |
| 19:22.46 | Ronin | bookses: why on earth for |
| 19:23.16 | gpm | what on earth |
| 19:23.21 | n3kl | bookses: I think so |
| 19:23.39 | Ronin | course it may melt your system down just as easily bookses |
| 19:23.58 | gpm | nice |
| 19:24.06 | *** join/#debian chrizel (n=chrizel@pD95F58A7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:24.07 | bookses | the newest wine is 0.9.35.the one in debian is older |
| 19:24.09 | n3kl | Wine has its own repo for debian based systems. For people who want the latest version without compiling source, that is the answer. |
| 19:24.29 | Ronin | bookses: of course it is, we dont go for bleeding edge like some distros |
| 19:24.49 | *** join/#debian chops (n=Chops@67.158.118.130) |
| 19:24.57 | Caelum | hrm, I never set up hdparm on this machine, maybe that's why dpkg is so slow |
| 19:25.14 | bookses | the wine offical homepage mix unbutu and debian package together |
| 19:25.17 | gpm | Caelum: could be...a little dma never hurt |
| 19:25.33 | xand | bookses: they didn't have any debian packages last time i checked |
| 19:25.35 | Ronin | bookses: they may but we dont, and certainly dont recommand intalling ubuntu packages on debian |
| 19:26.02 | xand | I downloaded the source from wine and compiled it |
| 19:26.18 | xand | hopeing to fix a mouse bug, but it actually made things worse :) |
| 19:26.25 | n3kl | xand: which is the best way |
| 19:26.35 | Pobega | bookses: xand's way is definitely the best. You can also turn it into a deb package if you do a little research, but that would take some time :) |
| 19:26.36 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@m145.net195-132-203.noos.fr) |
| 19:26.58 | Maarten` | Big case of "DOH!!!" ---> I installed Debian, and figured.... i'll get out of here and ssh in remotely to apt-get the rest of the stuff I want.... I get to work, of course SSH doesn't work because it ain't installed yet! :D |
| 19:26.59 | xand | n3kl: well, they didn't have any debian packages when I looked... and compiling was easy when I had the things it required installed |
| 19:27.41 | Pobega | Maarten: Smart guy, hah. I have a feeling you won't be doing that again with Debian. |
| 19:27.51 | mirak | how to flush dns cache ? |
| 19:28.00 | n3kl | xand: I have done the same several times to try to make things work better. I with there was a more native approach, but unfortunately the world is resistant to linux |
| 19:28.05 | xand | mirak: debian doesn't cache dns |
| 19:28.11 | mirak | ah |
| 19:28.20 | gpm | happens to the best, Maarten |
| 19:28.20 | xand | mirak: individual programs might though |
| 19:28.26 | mirak | ok |
| 19:28.29 | Maarten | Pobega: Heh.... i'll install SSH tonight, just gonna be a late-niter I think. Funny thing is that I can still RDP into my Windows box lol :P |
| 19:28.38 | DawnLight | what's the best way to sync different browser's bookmarks? |
| 19:28.46 | n3kl | mirak: restart bind |
| 19:28.48 | *** join/#debian smile4 (i=brift@register-fly.com) |
| 19:28.51 | *** join/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:29.04 | xand | mirak: well yes, if you have dnsmasq or something then restart it |
| 19:29.22 | xand | but if you don't have a local dns server, then maybe restart certain programs |
| 19:29.25 | xand | if they ned it |
| 19:29.26 | xand | +e |
| 19:29.33 | smile4 | hi! what text/code editor for X can u recommend? |
| 19:29.42 | xand | smile4: gedit |
| 19:30.28 | gpm | xand: ugh, gedit? |
| 19:30.29 | Pobega | smile4: Read documentation and learn to use vim (gvim), you won't regret it. |
| 19:30.46 | *** join/#debian griffbrad (n=brad@207.160.174.44) |
| 19:30.48 | gpm | yeah, i have to say, vim is much better |
| 19:30.49 | xand | gpm: well, I use vim, but gedit is the best X program I've found :P |
| 19:30.53 | gpm | though it's not really FOR x |
| 19:30.55 | n3kl | When dovecot or postfix is installed, are the certificates it is using generated to system spec, or are they generic loaded with the package? |
| 19:30.57 | Pobega | But smile4, if you need to do coding and don't want to learn Vim I recommend SciTe. |
| 19:30.59 | alleyoopster | try vim |
| 19:31.01 | gpm | yeah i guess |
| 19:31.03 | gpm | there's gvim |
| 19:31.04 | gpm | :-P |
| 19:31.05 | alleyoopster | or nano |
| 19:31.11 | xand | I don't like the graphical vim |
| 19:31.19 | *** join/#debian bookses (i=bookses@211.158.52.16) |
| 19:31.24 | Pobega | xand: Neither do I. I use the console for everything but browsing/chatting, personally. |
| 19:31.25 | n3kl | alleyoopster: I have nano |
| 19:31.29 | alleyoopster | depends what you want and what your used to |
| 19:31.47 | n3kl | alleyoopster: s/have/hate/ |
| 19:31.54 | alleyoopster | some people like that weird emacs thing |
| 19:32.06 | n3kl | btw, which variable is it that sets the default editor? |
| 19:32.20 | pihhan | EDITOR? |
| 19:32.33 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 19:32.33 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 19:32.35 | Pobega | I have a question on Emacs: Why do people call it an "Operating System"? I thought it was a text editor. |
| 19:32.41 | n3kl | pihhan: I was thinking DISPLAY. Whats the difference? |
| 19:32.49 | xand | haha |
| 19:32.59 | n3kl | pihhan: er, VISUAL |
| 19:33.03 | xand | n3kl: DISPLAY is where X programs will be... displayed |
| 19:33.03 | pihhan | dunno, never used it :) |
| 19:33.05 | n3kl | brain fart |
| 19:33.08 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 19:33.14 | alleyoopster | Pobega: maybe it does as much as an OS |
| 19:33.33 | pihhan | i just type vim to edit files and use update-alternatives |
| 19:33.44 | n3kl | export VISUAL=xand |
| 19:33.45 | alleyoopster | I think it can also edit files |
| 19:33.47 | Muisje | how can i split tars so the max size doesn't exceed above 3 gb |
| 19:33.47 | *** part/#debian bookses (i=bookses@211.158.52.16) |
| 19:34.02 | n3kl | pihhan: id, crontab -e |
| 19:34.04 | Muisje | for some reason i can't transfer 4gb+ files |
| 19:34.07 | pihhan | Muisje, -m parameter i think, or split binary |
| 19:34.29 | lupine_85 | emacs can do most things an OS can do ;) |
| 19:34.39 | lupine_85 | but it's mostly a joke |
| 19:35.16 | *** join/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:35.28 | alleyoopster | I've never used it, well not seriously, it was just too deep |
| 19:35.43 | *** join/#debian Mutiny- (n=pppp@ip68-107-111-251.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:35.51 | lupine_85 | mm, I fell into the deep buffer on my first day ;) |
| 19:35.54 | *** join/#debian russo (n=russo@dslb-088-073-067-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:35.57 | Mutiny- | how do you get debian etch to install the real mozilla-firefox, not iceweasel? |
| 19:36.04 | Caelum | I guess you don't need hdparm for SATA drives |
| 19:36.05 | HYPOCRISY | out of interest |
| 19:36.10 | coldsteal | any of u got beryl on debian testing |
| 19:36.16 | lupine_85 | Mutiny-: they're code identical, I think |
| 19:36.18 | Caelum | Mutiny-: iceweasel is firefox |
| 19:36.20 | smile4 | oh, 10x! looks like gedit ues gnome, nut i have only fluxbox and i don't want gnome or 52 mb of its lib's. what graphical lightweight editor can i use under fluxbox? |
| 19:36.23 | *** join/#debian Nikolay (n=nik@82-208-101-58.dialup.mts-nn.ru) |
| 19:36.29 | lupine_85 | but you'd d/l from the firefox guys if you want their version |
| 19:36.32 | Mutiny- | it's not identical, but i just want firefox, not icweasel. |
| 19:36.32 | *** join/#debian sabakas1 (n=solapus@66.90.121.129) |
| 19:36.43 | lupine_85 | coldsteal: yes... :) |
| 19:36.52 | *** part/#debian lexoplex (n=alex@e181124089.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:36.53 | Pobega | Mutiny-: There should be a transitional package in non-free or something similar, I haven't used Mozilla Firefox in a year now though so I wouldn't know. |
| 19:36.55 | lupine_85 | well, actually, no |
| 19:36.57 | alleyoopster | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.59 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: then download and install the .deb |
| 19:37.05 | lupine_85 | since etch is no longer testing |
| 19:37.13 | Vasistha | smile4: you could try scite |
| 19:37.35 | Mutiny- | i'd like to do it from apt if possible |
| 19:37.35 | coldsteal | lupine_85: ya i only see it for etch |
| 19:37.37 | alleyoopster | isn't scite for programming mostly |
| 19:37.44 | lupine_85 | it's only been done for etch, it's true |
| 19:37.49 | smile4 | in console i use nano, well ill try scite |
| 19:37.56 | lupine_85 | you could apt-get -b source the packages, I guess |
| 19:37.58 | Muisje | pihhan there is no -m parameter |
| 19:38.01 | *** join/#debian Dominguito (n=Domingui@132stb76.codetel.net.do) |
| 19:38.10 | lupine_85 | nano++ |
| 19:38.14 | lupine_85 | I use it for all my LaTeX |
| 19:38.23 | coldsteal | VIM |
| 19:38.27 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: you can use scite for whatever you want... my Dad uses it on windows for all sorts of non-programming tasks |
| 19:38.28 | Pobega | smile4: I used to use Nano, learn Vim, like I said you'll end up loving it. Nano takes a long time to move around a single file in my opinion. |
| 19:38.36 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: just a sec |
| 19:38.59 | Mutiny- | coldsteal, thanks :) |
| 19:39.00 | psyco-obiwan | use the vim reference card, it made my life with vim a lot easier... |
| 19:39.10 | *** join/#debian Galga (n=HoneyPot@about/philosophy/galga) |
| 19:39.13 | Mutiny- | no starch press vim mugs are great too. |
| 19:39.42 | psyco-obiwan | bah, i've been promised a vim mug for years now and never got one... ;-) |
| 19:39.44 | smile4 | Pobega: ok, ill try, 10x! |
| 19:40.07 | alleyoopster | I agree about vim, if you use it a lot it is great, A lot can be done quicker once you know some controls |
| 19:40.31 | Pobega | I've barely touched my arrow keys in months :) |
| 19:40.34 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 19:40.38 | psyco-obiwan | you can survive with about 10 keys in vim...everything else is already magic ;-) |
| 19:40.46 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/firefox |
| 19:40.57 | *** join/#debian peterrus (n=peterrus@cable-193-167.zeelandnet.nl) |
| 19:41.01 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 19:41.36 | coldsteal | lupine_85: can i install beryl on testing |
| 19:41.37 | alleyoopster | I still use them |
| 19:41.44 | Mutiny- | one thing i found quite distressing was when i put unstable in my apt sources.list every time i try to install almost anything apt tries to UNINSTALL util-linux and tzdata, which is complains very very loudly about being a very very bad thing. |
| 19:41.45 | coldsteal | the etch version |
| 19:41.52 | *** join/#debian bookses (i=bookses@211.158.52.16) |
| 19:42.00 | Mutiny- | s/which is/which it/ |
| 19:42.03 | alleyoopster | even after using wmii I still use arrows in vim |
| 19:42.08 | *** join/#debian berk (n=chatzill@88.235.48.13) |
| 19:42.20 | lupine_85 | coldsteal: I wouldn't recommend you use the etch packages on the new testing, no |
| 19:42.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell Mutiny- -about bat |
| 19:42.31 | bookses | Hi.It seems there is sth. wrong with my apt.I added two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 19:42.31 | lupine_85 | but you can use the source in the etch repo to build packages for the new testing |
| 19:42.40 | Mutiny- | okie dokie |
| 19:43.15 | lupine_85 | given the beryl merge, it's unlikely that the repo will be updated in the near future |
| 19:43.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell bookses -about bat |
| 19:43.26 | *** join/#debian midgetnat (n=asdf@201.247.58.86) |
| 19:43.29 | midgetnat | hello |
| 19:43.36 | Mutiny- | also http://channels.debian.net/paste/ seems to be broken. Proxy Error |
| 19:43.36 | Mutiny- | The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. |
| 19:43.37 | Mutiny- | The proxy server could not handle the request GET /paste/. |
| 19:43.37 | Mutiny- | Reason: Could not connect to remote machine: Connection refused |
| 19:43.37 | *** kick/#debian [Mutiny-!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 19:43.39 | *** join/#debian K|NgGh0sT (i=mrward@lager.engsoc.carleton.ca) |
| 19:43.43 | *** join/#debian Mutiny- (n=pppp@ip68-107-111-251.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:43.46 | midgetnat | im sorry to disturb you guys but at this point i dont know what else to do in order to install debian |
| 19:43.52 | K|NgGh0sT | Whats a good text based mp3 player? |
| 19:43.56 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: mpc |
| 19:43.57 | stew | !tell Mutiny- about flood |
| 19:44.00 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: cplay |
| 19:44.04 | coldsteal | lupine_85: how do i build the source for testing |
| 19:44.08 | stew | bongo! |
| 19:44.10 | alleyoopster | K|NgGh0sT: mpd |
| 19:44.19 | K|NgGh0sT | chat thanks |
| 19:44.22 | midgetnat | I installed debian before and it worked fine... 1 month ago.. i had to uninstall it and re install it... the thing is that now its not possible it gives me a weird weird issue |
| 19:44.26 | midgetnat | can someone help me please? |
| 19:44.35 | Mutiny- | again... channels.debian.net/paste is BROKEN |
| 19:44.42 | stew | Mutiny-: paste.debian.net |
| 19:44.43 | alleyoopster | K|NgGh0sT: with mpc or ncmpd as a client |
| 19:44.46 | Pobega | midgetnat: What's the weird issue? Give details if you're looking for help, otherwise we can't tell what's going on. |
| 19:44.47 | dondelelcaro | Mutiny-: yes, I know. Use another paste site for now |
| 19:44.52 | Mutiny- | okay |
| 19:44.58 | *** join/#debian nlight (n=nlight@89.25.48.181) |
| 19:45.03 | Mutiny- | i'm going to flood my apt problem in #flood then |
| 19:45.07 | *** join/#debian killerboy (i=killerbo@195.225.70.157) |
| 19:45.26 | coldsteal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.29 | coldsteal | lol |
| 19:45.46 | killerboy | hello |
| 19:45.51 | stew | Mutiny-: it would be better if you could use a pastebin, there aren't many people in #flood |
| 19:45.53 | *** join/#debian lun_ (i=lun@88.118.243.121) |
| 19:46.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 831] by debhelper |
| 19:46.04 | K|NgGh0sT | whats an mp3 player with a text gui? |
| 19:46.17 | midgetnat | after it does the partition it starts the base installation, then it says: Debootstrap error, the following error occurred: no such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch when I click continue, it says: failed to install the base system the base system installation into /target/ failed, then it tells me to check the console, i check it and it says "no group volumes found" |
| 19:46.36 | *** join/#debian lordnazgul (n=lordnazg@rcn-fi-gw.firstindustrial.com) |
| 19:46.37 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: mplayer |
| 19:46.42 | coldsteal | mpg321 |
| 19:46.46 | Mutiny- | stew, that'd be cool. LOOKS LIKE PASTEBIN IS BROKEN, TOO. |
| 19:46.49 | coldsteal | madplay |
| 19:46.59 | Mutiny- | coldsteal, did you see what i just posted in #flood? |
| 19:47.01 | Pobega | midgetnat: I had a problem with that yesterday, but it was Lenny. What files exist in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts, and when was this CD burned? |
| 19:47.12 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: im out now |
| 19:47.16 | midgetnat | it was burned a month ago |
| 19:47.21 | stew | Mutiny-: please don't shout. you can use paste.debian.net pastebin.ca rafb.net ... |
| 19:47.26 | midgetnat | and i installed it a month ago |
| 19:47.28 | midgetnat | and everything was fine |
| 19:47.36 | midgetnat | i had to reinstall so now its not working |
| 19:47.39 | Pobega | midgetnat: Hmm... |
| 19:47.40 | lordnazgul | if i put a file in /etc/skel and then chattr +i it, when a new user is created will the corresponding file in their home directory also be immutable? |
| 19:47.41 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: cplay, ncmpc |
| 19:47.45 | Pobega | midgetnat: What's in the directory? |
| 19:47.56 | *** join/#debian pur-angst (n=fool@nts-198.179-167-216.nts-online.net) |
| 19:47.57 | dondelelcaro | Mutiny-: loose the caps please; in any event, what does apt-get install mpg123 util-linux; do? second, why is libc6 not already installed? |
| 19:47.59 | Mutiny- | also http://mutiny.dod.net/apt-error.txt |
| 19:48.01 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: mplayer, mpg321, madplay |
| 19:48.08 | midgetnat | how can i browse it? i mean im trying to install it from the cd, the one that starts the base installation and then downloads the rest from the internet |
| 19:48.22 | *** join/#debian Bedolo (n=Bedolo@host171-158-static.13-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:48.22 | killerboy | could anybody help me with seting up polish UTF-8 in console in ubuntu |
| 19:48.28 | Mutiny- | dondelelcaro, unknown. this is an almost entirely fresh out of the box debian etch install. |
| 19:48.31 | dondelelcaro | Mutiny-: the output of apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-i686 mpg123 tzdata util-linux locales; would also be useful. |
| 19:48.40 | coldsteal | killerboy: this isnt #ubuntu |
| 19:48.45 | Pobega | Okay, Ctrl+Alt+F2, and copy sarge to etch in the same directory and see if that works (It's what I had to do for Debian Lenny yesterday) |
| 19:48.46 | Mutiny- | "util-linux is already the newest version." |
| 19:49.12 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: what r u running |
| 19:49.16 | killerboy | y know, but i've asked there, and no answer |
| 19:49.24 | killerboy | and i suppose it's the same as in debian |
| 19:49.24 | *** part/#debian Bedolo (n=Bedolo@host171-158-static.13-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:49.27 | coldsteal | well wait |
| 19:49.28 | stew | Mutiny-: you are trying to mix stable and unstable, which is not supported, instead of installing unstable pacakges onto stable, use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:49.44 | Mutiny- | dondelelcaro, i added that to http://mutiny.dod.net/apt-error.txt |
| 19:49.47 | K|NgGh0sT | None of these seem to have the gui style, just just accept command prompt |
| 19:49.48 | *** part/#debian Dominguito (n=Domingui@132stb76.codetel.net.do) |
| 19:49.55 | midgetnat | pobega |
| 19:49.57 | midgetnat | but i cannot do it |
| 19:49.59 | midgetnat | because its a cd |
| 19:50.02 | midgetnat | it wont copy anything |
| 19:50.03 | lupine_85 | coldsteal: add the deb-src line to sources.list and apt-get -b source <package> |
| 19:50.04 | Pobega | You can do it. |
| 19:50.06 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: what r u trying to do |
| 19:50.08 | Pobega | I did it on a CD yesterday. |
| 19:50.13 | coldsteal | ok |
| 19:50.14 | midgetnat | ok let me try |
| 19:50.17 | lordnazgul | if i put a file in /etc/skel and then chattr +i it, when a new user is created will the corresponding file in their home directory also be immutable? |
| 19:50.20 | stew | Mutiny-: you should remove unstable from your sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 19:50.21 | dondelelcaro | Mutiny-: as stew said, either stay with etch or upgrade to unstable. You can't run both at the same time. |
| 19:50.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I want to play mp3s, but have like a playlist and crap |
| 19:50.22 | Pobega | Just do "cd /usr/[...]/sarge /usr/[...]/etch" |
| 19:50.41 | Mutiny- | i don't have the problem if i remove unstable from my sources.list, yes, but i don't get the software that i want, which is in unstable. |
| 19:50.42 | lupine_85 | K|NgGh0sT: alsaplayer ? |
| 19:50.44 | *** join/#debian Octopus (i=Octopus@194.12.248.62) |
| 19:50.54 | *** join/#debian chrizel (n=chrizel@pD95F58A7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:51.00 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: vlc |
| 19:51.04 | dondelelcaro | killerboy: we don't provide ubuntu help, unfortunatly. If #ubuntu can't answer, try their forums. |
| 19:51.07 | stew | Mutiny-: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:51.17 | killerboy | thanks |
| 19:51.29 | Mutiny- | i am reading that, yes. |
| 19:51.32 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 19:52.02 | Octopus | hi |
| 19:52.07 | killerboy | bye |
| 19:52.11 | *** part/#debian killerboy (i=killerbo@195.225.70.157) |
| 19:52.31 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: i made a script that plays all the mp3s in a dir and then moves them when done |
| 19:52.37 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: cplay |
| 19:53.05 | coldsteal | K|NgGh0sT: if u want it let me know |
| 19:53.24 | K|NgGh0sT | vlc seems to it |
| 19:53.29 | midgetnat | cannot find sarge |
| 19:53.32 | midgetnat | where should it be? |
| 19:53.33 | *** join/#debian solar_sea (n=solar@85.95.88.19) |
| 19:53.38 | K|NgGh0sT | cplay is nice |
| 19:53.41 | smile4 | thank u all for scite, gedit and vim recommendations - ill try it all. bye! |
| 19:53.56 | deadcat | actually playmp3list is even more simpler than cplay |
| 19:53.57 | lordnazgul | if i put a file in /etc/skel and then chattr +i it, when a new user is created will the corresponding file in their home directory also be immutable? Anyone Know? |
| 19:54.02 | Octopus | i got a serious prob setting the resolution of gnome, I altered xorg.conf with the following lines http://www.pastebin.ca/448581 |
| 19:54.06 | Octopus | Can anyone maybe help me? |
| 19:54.08 | *** part/#debian smile4 (i=brift@register-fly.com) |
| 19:54.23 | K|NgGh0sT | thnaks guys |
| 19:54.26 | xand | lordnazgul: i very much doubt it |
| 19:54.33 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thomas@AAmiens-157-1-184-4.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:54.39 | Pobega | midgetnat: What files are in the directory? |
| 19:54.51 | xand | lordnazgul: try copying an immutable file and see what the result it |
| 19:54.53 | lordnazgul | thanks xand, ill have to figure out some other way |
| 19:54.53 | midgetnat | in which directory? |
| 19:54.54 | xand | s/it/is |
| 19:55.04 | midgetnat | in the /usr |
| 19:55.06 | midgetnat | ? |
| 19:55.12 | Octopus | it still starts up in 800x600 - while it should be 1400x1050 |
| 19:55.14 | Pobega | /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts |
| 19:55.53 | midgetnat | ok let me check |
| 19:55.53 | *** part/#debian lordnazgul (n=lordnazg@rcn-fi-gw.firstindustrial.com) |
| 19:55.54 | *** join/#debian Thms_ (n=Thomas@AAmiens-157-1-110-250.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:55.54 | *** join/#debian fujihc (n=stefano@host177-162-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:55.59 | *** part/#debian fujihc (n=stefano@host177-162-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:56.08 | midgetnat | sarge sid woody |
| 19:56.20 | *** join/#debian CaspeR-Bz (i=CaspeR-B@unaffiliated/casper-bz) |
| 19:56.29 | Pobega | midgetnat: If sarge is in there then copy it and rename it to etch. |
| 19:56.31 | Vasistha | Octopus: those lines aren't necessarily going to solve your problem. Why don't you pastebin your entire xorg.conf |
| 19:56.41 | midgetnat | where do i copy it to which path? |
| 19:56.44 | Pobega | cp /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sarge /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 19:56.52 | stew | Pobega: that won't work |
| 19:56.59 | Octopus | okay I will now |
| 19:57.00 | Octopus | sec |
| 19:57.06 | stew | midgetnat: you are trying to debootstrap etch? |
| 19:57.07 | Vasistha | !tell Octopus -about drxx |
| 19:57.12 | Pobega | stew: It worked perfectly for me yesterday, when the installed claimed it couldn't find lenny |
| 19:57.17 | Mutiny- | does backports.org work if i use etch instead of sarge? |
| 19:57.20 | Pobega | installer* |
| 19:57.53 | Octopus | http://www.pastebin.ca/448640 |
| 19:57.58 | midgetnat | what happens is the following : |
| 19:58.02 | midgetnat | stew |
| 19:58.02 | stew | Pobega: you used that to install etch? or did something similar to install lenny? |
| 19:58.08 | Vasistha | Mutiny-: etch is still pretty new, so I don't think backports is ready yet |
| 19:58.08 | *** join/#debian itchi (n=itchi@unaffiliated/itchi) |
| 19:58.21 | Pobega | stew: I installed etch and upgraded into lenny. |
| 19:58.23 | midgetnat | what happens is the following : after it does the partition it starts the base installation, then it says: Debootstrap error, the following error occurred: no such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch when I click continue, it says: failed to install the base system the base system installation into /target/ failed, then it tells me to check the console, i check it and it says "no group volumes found" |
| 19:58.32 | midgetnat | ok done that pobega |
| 19:58.36 | stew | Pobega: right, but you can't use the sarge script to install etch |
| 19:58.36 | midgetnat | what should i do now? |
| 19:58.41 | *** join/#debian jvm_ (n=jvm@F5444.f.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 19:58.51 | Pobega | stew: Of course not, but you can dist-upgrade after you get the system installed. |
| 19:58.54 | stew | midgetnat: what Pobega is telling you to do won't work, sarge and etch are too different |
| 19:59.04 | Mutiny- | suck. :X |
| 19:59.05 | jvm_ | hi. what does it mean if key repitition by holding some key on my keyboard doesn't work? |
| 19:59.19 | wad | Does a program return 0 or 1 if it ran happily? |
| 19:59.24 | midgetnat | so what should i do now? |
| 19:59.29 | stew | midgetnat: get a newer version of debootstrap |
| 19:59.32 | Vasistha | Octopus: before we do anything else, why don't you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:59.32 | jvm_ | wad: something bigger than 0. |
| 19:59.33 | zinx | jvm_: is it one key in particular? |
| 19:59.41 | wad | jvm_, thanks! |
| 19:59.42 | jvm_ | zinx: no, generally. |
| 19:59.54 | midgetnat | HAHAHHA ACTUALLY IT WORKED |
| 19:59.56 | zinx | jvm_: probably means some program turned off key repeating and didn't turn it back on |
| 19:59.57 | midgetnat | thx pobega! |
| 20:00.02 | stew | midgetnat: what is "it" in this case? |
| 20:00.02 | coldsteal | lupine_85: apt-get -b source beryl beryl-core beryl-dev \ |
| 20:00.02 | coldsteal | beryl-manager beryl-plugins beryl-plugins-data \ |
| 20:00.02 | coldsteal | beryl-settings emerald emerald-themes |
| 20:00.03 | Mutiny- | coldsteal, that link you gave me still depends on iceweasel |
| 20:00.04 | zinx | jvm_: try xset r on |
| 20:00.14 | midgetnat | yeah the thing was the following: |
| 20:00.15 | lupine_85 | yeah, that should more or less do it |
| 20:00.21 | Vasistha | wad: depends on the environment. |
| 20:00.22 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: iceweasle is firefox |
| 20:00.23 | lupine_85 | no need to build "beryl", it's a metapackage |
| 20:00.24 | jvm_ | zinx: thanks! it works now. |
| 20:00.32 | Mutiny- | iceweasel is different than firefox. |
| 20:00.32 | lupine_85 | oh, and you need beryl-settings-bindings |
| 20:00.35 | midgetnat | I am trying to install debian, everything goes fine but after it does the partition it starts the base installation, then it says: Debootstrap error, the following error occurred: no such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch when I click continue, it says: failed to install the base system the base system installation into /target/ failed, then it tells me to check the console, i check it and it says "no group volumes found" |
| 20:00.52 | *** join/#debian putridp (n=ed@80.175.128.209) |
| 20:00.55 | coldsteal | lupine_85: can u pase me the correct line |
| 20:00.56 | stew | midgetnat: what is "it" in "after it does the partition it starts the base installation" |
| 20:01.04 | Mutiny- | for example iceweasel pops up dialogs which makes it completely unsuitable for this application. |
| 20:01.05 | Vasistha | wad: in bash, 0 means success, and a larger number means failure. In other environments, it's often the reverse |
| 20:01.10 | midgetnat | yeah i mean.... the debian installation |
| 20:01.15 | wad | oh. |
| 20:01.21 | *** join/#debian deriaN- (n=nopron@0x535d6177.abnxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 20:01.25 | *** join/#debian baphomt (n=_baphomt@124.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 20:01.26 | stew | midgetnat: what installation media are you using? |
| 20:01.29 | midgetnat | cd |
| 20:01.32 | stew | midgetnat: which? |
| 20:01.34 | *** join/#debian hardlined (n=hardline@shaky.activmedia.com) |
| 20:01.36 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: what r u doing |
| 20:01.38 | Vasistha | wad: in bash, you can see the result of the previous command with echo $? |
| 20:01.42 | wad | Vasistha, so I made a cron job, and it emailed me that the result of my script was "1". Does that mean it worked, or not? |
| 20:01.49 | midgetnat | the one that installs the basic system and then downloads everything from the internet |
| 20:01.54 | *** join/#debian mzperx (n=mzperx@catv-5984c67c.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 20:01.57 | lupine_85 | apt-get -b source beryl-core beryl-settings-bindings beryl-manager beryl-plugins beryl-plugins-unsupported beryl-settings emerald emerald-themes |
| 20:02.06 | jvm_ | cd-rom burning doesn't work anymore, since i updated to etch. k3b says "opc failed". here's the debugging output: http://derjulian.net/nopaste?id=141 - any idea how? |
| 20:02.11 | stew | Mutiny-: you should not expect iceweasel to behave any differently than firefox, it should only have different artwork |
| 20:02.11 | lupine_85 | should do it. there's aquamarine and heliodor as well, if you want them |
| 20:02.14 | Vasistha | wad: sounds like it probably hit an error. a bash script should return 0 on success. Have you tried running the script in a console? |
| 20:02.31 | stew | midgetnat: where did you get it? in any case, it sounds like you need to get a current one |
| 20:02.31 | jvm_ | *any idea why |
| 20:02.55 | midgetnat | i downloaded it from the debian's website.... like 1 month ago... |
| 20:02.57 | Mutiny- | stew, it does behave differently, and in a manner that makes it entirely unsuitable compared to the default firefox. |
| 20:02.58 | midgetnat | it worked |
| 20:03.06 | midgetnat | same computer, same hard drive |
| 20:03.10 | stew | Mutiny-: please file a bug then: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:03.33 | stew | midgetnat: in that time, debian has made a new stable release, you should use one of the newer cds |
| 20:03.45 | Mutiny- | why would i file a bug when it's stated that it's intended for iceweasel to act differently? i just want firefox without any iceweasel fuckery. |
| 20:03.59 | midgetnat | but i dont have a cd burner hahahaa |
| 20:04.04 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: what r u trying to do |
| 20:04.05 | *** join/#debian bayonet (n=adminstr@122-100-92-194.cm.ubbn.net) |
| 20:04.10 | stew | Mutiny-: where is that stated that iceweasel is intented to act differently? |
| 20:04.12 | Vasistha | Mutiny-: well then you're venturing outside of debian, and outside of what we support here |
| 20:04.27 | *** join/#debian dmilith_ (i=dmilith@83-145-179-232.cable-modem.tkk.net.pl) |
| 20:04.32 | Yggdrasil | wintix are you still around ? |
| 20:04.33 | Vasistha | Mutiny-: keep in mind that the *only* difference should be the icon art |
| 20:04.50 | *** part/#debian baphomt (n=_baphomt@124.pool85-49-234.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 20:05.02 | *** join/#debian berzerka (n=bzk@p50894E9F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:05.10 | *** join/#debian Yukimura (n=luka@84-255-202-19.static.dsl.t-2.net) |
| 20:05.14 | wintix | Yggdrasil: yes. |
| 20:05.23 | berzerka | has the 'ip' utility been superseded? |
| 20:05.27 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: u can also change the user agent |
| 20:05.34 | *** part/#debian bayonet (n=adminstr@122-100-92-194.cm.ubbn.net) |
| 20:05.40 | Yggdrasil | wintix, ok im using nvidia_homegrown |
| 20:06.03 | Mutiny- | the iceweasel homepage outlines situations in which it behaves differently. |
| 20:06.26 | stew | Mutiny-: you are thinking of gnu iceweasel which has absolutely nothing to do with the iceweasel package in debian |
| 20:06.28 | Yggdrasil | so it says to ask about that |
| 20:06.42 | stew | Mutiny-: the names are just unfortunately the same |
| 20:07.03 | *** join/#debian jlaw (n=jlaw@p54892ba4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:07.07 | *** join/#debian hackmiker (i=misu@91.192.140.44) |
| 20:07.09 | wintix | Yggdrasil: maybe /msg dpkg nvidia_homegrown |
| 20:07.18 | wintix | Yggdrasil: i'm not quite sure what you want |
| 20:07.22 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 20:07.27 | *** part/#debian Yukimura (n=luka@84-255-202-19.static.dsl.t-2.net) |
| 20:07.32 | Caelum | in sid, when I try to upgrade iceweasel it wants to remove gnome... |
| 20:07.37 | Yggdrasil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.38 | *** join/#debian kw0lf (n=kw0lf@nelug/coreteam/kwolf) |
| 20:07.41 | Yggdrasil | thats what dpkg said |
| 20:07.55 | valdyn | Caelum: and what else? |
| 20:07.59 | Vasistha | Caelum: are you using aptitude's front-end? You should be, it can help you resolve this stuff. |
| 20:08.01 | *** join/#debian Yukimura (n=luka@84-255-202-19.static.dsl.t-2.net) |
| 20:08.04 | stew | Caelum: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:08.05 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: u can use google and do a special search like this "debian firefox" |
| 20:08.17 | wintix | Yggdrasil: just tell msg the thing between the <> and it will tell you about it. |
| 20:08.37 | Yggdrasil | dpkg |
| 20:08.39 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 20:08.53 | Mutiny- | the iceweasel package installs a helluva lot more than just some images. |
| 20:08.58 | wintix | s/tell// |
| 20:09.13 | valdyn | Mutiny-: sure, and? |
| 20:09.33 | stew | Mutiny-: yes, it also installs a web-browser which is firefox with the name and icons changed |
| 20:09.58 | midgetnat | stew... so if i download the latest one.. will it late me install a graphic interface?... my computer is an old one... |
| 20:10.05 | midgetnat | 233 mhz 128 ram |
| 20:10.07 | coldsteal | Mutiny-: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.3&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 20:10.13 | midgetnat | nvidia card 32 mb |
| 20:10.16 | valdyn | midgetnat: sure |
| 20:10.18 | stew | midgetnat: yes |
| 20:10.19 | midgetnat | nvidia 16mb sorry |
| 20:10.40 | midgetnat | cool :P because i tried it with ubuntu and no graphic interface was there because it didnt recognized my monitor |
| 20:10.51 | midgetnat | its an old ibm |
| 20:11.24 | Mutiny- | silly stuff. |
| 20:11.28 | valdyn | midgetnat: if its recognising it, you might have to enter its specs manually, that is all |
| 20:11.36 | *** join/#debian Natniet (n=NetNiet@mallxs.speedxs.nl) |
| 20:11.45 | valdyn | midgetnat: if its _not_ recognising it, you might have to enter its specs manually, that is all |
| 20:11.49 | *** join/#debian kastberg (n=kastberg@213.134.110.249) |
| 20:11.56 | jazbo2185 | Is it correct that xine is the only engine available for amarok in etch? |
| 20:12.29 | midgetnat | then its coolo |
| 20:12.30 | midgetnat | cool |
| 20:12.37 | *** join/#debian fearoffish (n=fearoffi@unaffiliated/fearoffish) |
| 20:12.42 | fearoffish | Evening all |
| 20:12.46 | Natniet | Hi, some one from denmark online ... i looking for a proxy from denmark to view a livestream |
| 20:13.48 | *** join/#debian centrx (n=ch0170@wikipedia/CentrX) |
| 20:13.57 | wintix | Natniet: google is your friend. |
| 20:14.23 | Spec | Anyone know when tzdata was seperated out from libc6? |
| 20:14.31 | Muisje | Google is scary wintix |
| 20:14.38 | Muisje | They are slowly taking over the world :P |
| 20:14.42 | wintix | hehe |
| 20:14.51 | *** join/#debian kupesoft (n=dave@CPE00119583e9ae-CM0013718cb08a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:14.55 | stew | Spec: http://changelogs.debian.net/tzdata |
| 20:14.58 | *** join/#debian Lion-O (n=peter@dialup-4.232.228.227.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 20:15.00 | wintix | but still you get good search results. |
| 20:15.06 | Muisje | I suppose you can buy a Google breadmaker in about 5 years |
| 20:15.12 | Muisje | Which has a builtin speech app |
| 20:15.18 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-ull-64-190.41-151.net24.it) |
| 20:15.20 | Muisje | So you can find internet results trough speech |
| 20:15.27 | Spec | stew: err, i was thinking in terms of debian releases |
| 20:15.45 | Muisje | Breadmaker, can you please find me debian? |
| 20:15.54 | Yggdrasil | wintix uggh... |
| 20:15.55 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 20:15.58 | stew | Spec: that site is the debian changelogs, it will show when packages were prepared for upload into unstable |
| 20:15.59 | Yggdrasil | thanks for th help |
| 20:16.15 | Spec | so in 2006 it was uploaded into unstable....so it's in etch? |
| 20:16.18 | stew | Spec: perhaps you want http://packages.qa.debian.org/tzdata ? |
| 20:16.20 | *** join/#debian arejay (n=rj@unaffiliated/rj-) |
| 20:16.25 | *** join/#debian andy_ (n=andy_b@81.168.72.158) |
| 20:16.26 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 20:16.33 | Muisje | In about 50 years everything is googlized |
| 20:16.33 | *** join/#debian andy__ (n=andy_b@81.168.72.158) |
| 20:16.45 | Spec | thanks |
| 20:16.53 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 20:17.02 | Vasistha | Muisje: google's been around for, what, ten years? isn't a little premature to be making 50-year prophesies? :P |
| 20:17.18 | Muisje | Vasistha yeah you're right |
| 20:17.37 | Muisje | Still, google is doing stuff that should frighten everyone :) |
| 20:18.28 | Muisje | i wouldn't be suprised to buy a googlephone in about 10 years |
| 20:18.36 | Vasistha | Muisje: well, they've also taken pretty strong stances on certain privacy and copyright issues, which is great |
| 20:18.55 | coldsteal | okay now that i built/install beryl how do i keep xfce also |
| 20:19.23 | coldsteal | and have it so i do startx == xfce |
| 20:19.23 | Muisje | Vasistha i'm not saying google is bad, but if they whipe out any other search engine, the world will be doomed. Because google might backfire their users. |
| 20:19.35 | coldsteal | and startberyl |
| 20:19.46 | Vasistha | Muisje: it's true that monopolies usually turn bad |
| 20:20.57 | Muisje | I'd love to see google being split up. Imagine they keep "improving" their search engine, one day they might out top users causing real googlers to be stuck with stupidity |
| 20:21.46 | *** join/#debian JonJ (n=jon@ti121210a081-8251.bb.online.no) |
| 20:22.01 | tomdick | i'm trying to use rsync over ssh to backup my /home/$users but the destination sshd is not running on port 22. is there a way to tell rsync to use a non-standard port? |
| 20:22.05 | Muisje | Besides, i don't like monopolies, microsoft has proven that internet monopolies will backfire their users. |
| 20:22.30 | valdyn | tomdick: you can specify the whole ssh command |
| 20:22.31 | Vasistha | Muisje: well, microsoft was rather dirty from the get-go |
| 20:22.55 | valdyn | google is far from a monopoly |
| 20:23.15 | Muisje | Vasistha, google has already caused international conflicts... |
| 20:23.28 | xand | it has? |
| 20:23.42 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thomas@AAmiens-157-1-156-56.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:23.49 | valdyn | as has that movie '300'. So does it mean anything? |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#debian \amethyst (n=neil@74-140-178-145.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:24.18 | *** join/#debian gpm_ (n=gpm@adsl-71-146-162-184.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:24.34 | Muisje | Yeah... donno which asian country it was but they banned google for aslong as they didn't filter searches to government demands... Causing the google users to be mislead. |
| 20:24.57 | *** join/#debian edbennett (n=Admin@cpc4-flee1-0-0-cust638.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:25.02 | valdyn | and that's google's fault? |
| 20:25.22 | *** part/#debian fearoffish (n=fearoffi@unaffiliated/fearoffish) |
| 20:25.55 | Mutiny- | ahh yes. installing firefox 1.5 from a backport.org deb just gives me pango undefined symbol errors |
| 20:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 823] by debhelper |
| 20:26.17 | Muisje | valdyn i'm not saying google is the person to blame |
| 20:26.29 | Muisje | Google is just the subject in this case. |
| 20:26.39 | *** join/#debian cosmonaut (n=cosmonau@augusta54.demon.co.uk) |
| 20:26.42 | *** join/#debian majesty89 (n=sonmez@85.102.86.71) |
| 20:26.45 | stew | Muisje: actually debian is the subject in this channel |
| 20:26.58 | Muisje | True stew i'll shut up :) |
| 20:26.58 | valdyn | Muisje: how did you install it exactly? |
| 20:27.01 | cosmonaut | Hi, can someone help me with building my own kernel? some of the options confuse me... |
| 20:27.20 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@64.122.41.37) |
| 20:27.25 | valdyn | cosmonaut: so don't build one, debian ships decent kernels |
| 20:27.48 | *** join/#debian ericx_1 (n=jxtadev@125.120.107.23) |
| 20:28.03 | stew | Mutiny-: why can't you use iceweasel? when you said becuase it behaved differently were you talking about gnu iceweasel, or the debian package? |
| 20:28.14 | cosmonaut | valdyn: I want to build for two reasons. 1, i want the experience (i'll have to do it sometime in my linux life) and 2, i heard that debian ships "fat" kernels, is this true? |
| 20:28.25 | *** join/#debian Kronuz (i=kronuz@189.168.23.31) |
| 20:28.26 | Kronuz | hello |
| 20:28.50 | valdyn | cosmonaut: that 'fat' comes from people who don't understand what they are talking about, usually |
| 20:28.56 | Vasistha | cosmonaut: it's true that debian ships kernels that have a lot of modules available; however, it really doesn't effect the speed -- it's only fat because it takes up a few extra MB of hard drive space, which you can probably spare |
| 20:29.11 | coldsteal | lupine_85: if i build from source will it also install it |
| 20:29.14 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 20:29.17 | Kronuz | hey, do you know of an app in gnome that I can use to peek a color in the screen and also one to make a zoom? |
| 20:29.20 | cosmonaut | Vasistha: valdyn: So it has no effect on ram usage? |
| 20:29.27 | valdyn | cosmonaut: correct |
| 20:29.33 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.79.243) |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | cosmonaut: if you don't load the modules .. it has no effect |
| 20:29.47 | cosmonaut | Oh. I feel really stupid now. So there's no real reason to do it? |
| 20:29.50 | Vasistha | cosmonaut: if you're trying to install linux on a 286 with a 10 MB hard drive, you probably shouldn't be using a 2.6 kernel anyway ;-) |
| 20:30.00 | Mutiny- | when i attempt to install firefox with a fresh out of the box debian etch install, iceweasel ALWAYS comes along for the ride. when i run firefox on this system it behaves different (pops up dialog boxes in certain situations) than any other time i run firefox 2.0. these dialog box poppings make it completely unusable. |
| 20:30.35 | valdyn | cosmonaut: its possible to build a kernel that loads faster by an insignificant amount, and one that uses less memory by an insignificant amount. Chances are that your custom kernel is just worst in these aspects though |
| 20:30.37 | cosmonaut | Vasistha: I'm running AMD64 with a GiB of RAM and 16GiB HD partition :) |
| 20:30.41 | *** join/#debian abyx (n=abyx@bzq-88-155-16-33.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 20:30.53 | cosmonaut | valdyn: so not worth it all? |
| 20:30.54 | Vasistha | cosmonaut: there's no reason you should compile your own, no |
| 20:30.54 | lupine_85 | coldsteal: yes, I think so |
| 20:30.56 | stew | Mutiny-: yes, the firefox package in debian doesn't actually contain anything but a dependency on iceweasel, it doesn't actually install 'firefox' |
| 20:31.08 | lupine_85 | if not, the .deb files will be in whatever directory you are, so you just dpkg -i then |
| 20:31.10 | lupine_85 | them* |
| 20:31.11 | valdyn | cosmonaut: for learning experience, maybe |
| 20:31.18 | valdyn | cosmonaut: kernelnewbies.org has the docs |
| 20:31.25 | cosmonaut | abrotman: are modules loaded even if I don't have the hardware needed (wireless modules etc?) |
| 20:31.33 | Mutiny- | stew, either way i'm getting iceweasel, not the stock firefox, which i want. |
| 20:31.42 | abrotman | cosmonaut: mostly no ... some things like ipv6 might get loaded ... |
| 20:31.46 | xand | Muisje: I dont see why google should pander to some fascist regime |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:31.55 | valdyn | cosmonaut: building superior kernel requires quite vast random knowledge about various things.., you cant 'HOWTO' that |
| 20:31.55 | cosmonaut | abrotman: mostly no? |
| 20:32.01 | abrotman | cosmonaut: /msg dpkg kp .. if you really want to do it the debian way |
| 20:32.02 | sword | cosmonaut: lsmod will tell you what is loaded |
| 20:32.08 | cosmonaut | valdyn: thanks a lot, I'll try it |
| 20:32.11 | cosmonaut | sword: thanks. |
| 20:32.12 | abrotman | cosmonaut: mostly no .. but as i just said .. things like ipv6 might get loaded |
| 20:32.18 | stew | Mutiny-: if it is behaving in any way differently than firefox, it would be helpful if you could file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:32.28 | *** join/#debian happydog (n=happydog@202.115.22.134) |
| 20:32.32 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 20:32.32 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 20:32.32 | abrotman | cosmonaut: i run Debian packaged kernels on some very 'small' hardware .. |
| 20:32.37 | *** join/#debian ggeecko (n=ggeecko@adsl-065-012-183-078.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:32.45 | xand | abrotman: are you a leet C coder? |
| 20:32.46 | Spec | building a kernel is simple |
| 20:32.49 | Spec | make-kpkg = win |
| 20:32.55 | abrotman | xand: no why? |
| 20:32.57 | valdyn | cosmonaut: ipv6 is one thing that you could 'tune' away, but easier by blacklisting it than building an entire new kernel |
| 20:33.01 | stew | Mutiny-: if you want firefox, go to mozilla.org ; mozilla has asked debian to stop distributing it, so you won't get firefox from debian anymore without the rebranding |
| 20:33.04 | Spec | configuring the kernel might be tricky, but building it is simply pushing buttons on your keyboard |
| 20:34.16 | xand | abrotman: want someone to fix the r8169 driver on sparc 64 |
| 20:34.17 | xand | abrotman: my boyfriend won't cos he's mean! |
| 20:34.17 | Spec | stew: why can't debian redistribute firefox? |
| 20:34.17 | happydog | guys,who is free? I need help(infomation) |
| 20:34.17 | xand | !ask |
| 20:34.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:34.18 | Mutiny- | it seems to me that these things would be considered features, not bugs, but to me make the application unusuable in this situation. |
| 20:34.18 | *** join/#debian b00 (i=foobar@196.209.160.60) |
| 20:34.18 | Muisje | xand, well they have. :) |
| 20:34.18 | *** join/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 20:34.18 | cosmonaut | So it's Completely not worth it? Thankyou :) as a last question, what is the module "appletalk"? |
| 20:34.18 | abrotman | xand: ah .. you want jethro or cureless :) |
| 20:34.19 | b00 | hey, guys, where do I take latest authentication keys for packages ? |
| 20:34.20 | xand | it kinda works, but lots of kernel errors :( |
| 20:34.22 | b00 | apt key install or something |
| 20:34.30 | sword | b00: see the topic |
| 20:34.44 | *** join/#debian P_Kable (n=P_Kable@ip72-200-67-64.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 20:34.46 | b00 | sword, ok |
| 20:34.58 | valdyn | Spec: it could, theoretically, but it cannot apply its own security fixes / random fixes. So it could not support its own software if it shipped 'Firefox' |
| 20:34.59 | *** join/#debian hid3 (n=hide@mafija.vkt.lt) |
| 20:35.08 | Spec | oohh |
| 20:35.14 | Kronuz | I mean, I can't find one but sure there must be one program to zoom in parts of the screen (like microsoft's zoom in windows) and one to know what color the mouse is over at any time |
| 20:35.17 | Spec | so it's either firefox from mozilla.org, or no firefox at all |
| 20:35.30 | Spec | so that's mozilla.org enforcing their trademark? |
| 20:35.34 | *** join/#debian magnet_ (n=magnet@palantir.mithrandir.net) |
| 20:35.39 | *** join/#debian russo (n=russo@dslb-088-073-067-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:35.42 | *** part/#debian edbennett (n=Admin@cpc4-flee1-0-0-cust638.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:35.48 | valdyn | Spec: yea, but only as far as its a trademark issue, the code is free |
| 20:35.53 | Spec | yeap |
| 20:36.00 | Spec | so it's free & legal to rebrand it as something other than firefox |
| 20:36.08 | Spec | and then update that with security patches, etc |
| 20:36.09 | abrotman | yes .. netscape does it |
| 20:36.11 | sword | Spec: there was a bug with all the juicy discussion, right? |
| 20:36.18 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481FF77.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:36.22 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 20:36.23 | Spec | sword: eh? |
| 20:36.23 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See #354622 for more information. |
| 20:36.30 | *** join/#debian magnet_ (n=magnet@palantir.mithrandir.net) |
| 20:36.30 | Spec | haha |
| 20:36.32 | abrotman | !dbugs 354622 |
| 20:36.36 | sword | Ha! |
| 20:36.36 | Spec | it's called iceweasel, that's great |
| 20:36.37 | dpkg | DONE:#354622:S[firefox] Uses Mozilla Firefox trademark without permission; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:18:04 UTC |
| 20:36.54 | Spec | So can you distribute "Firefox" with third party plugins included? |
| 20:37.40 | valdyn | Spec: you cant create a new tarball/installer, Sure you could include plugins seperately |
| 20:37.48 | *** join/#debian Firestarter- (n=Firestar@cpe-74-76-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 20:37.50 | stew | Spec: you'll have to ask them. before the name change, ubuntu used to take the debian pacakge, then make far more changes to that than debian ever did. but for some unknown reason, mozcorp seems to have no problem with this. so i don't know that logic really applies |
| 20:37.55 | *** join/#debian mzperx (n=mzperx@catv-5984c67c.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 20:37.57 | Mutiny- | but then there is no facility left open to install firefox itself? seems silly. |
| 20:38.10 | Spec | so what does ubuntu do about firefox? use vanilla-firefox? |
| 20:38.23 | abrotman | Spec: ask them |
| 20:38.26 | Spec | heh |
| 20:38.35 | Spec | so debian still offers an unmodified firefox in the repos, right? |
| 20:38.38 | Mutiny- | cutting off the nose to spite the face. |
| 20:38.39 | abrotman | ah no |
| 20:38.44 | Spec | whyn't? |
| 20:38.44 | stew | Spec: the used to take the debian package and modify it, now they take the vanilla version and some of the debian changes and a lot of their own |
| 20:38.45 | Mutiny- | Spec, no, it doesn't. |
| 20:38.47 | abrotman | Mutiny-: it's not our fault .. |
| 20:39.16 | stew | Mutiny-: debian doesn't have a choice in this matter. you can still follow the instructions on mozilla's site to install firefox if you wish |
| 20:39.35 | *** join/#debian DavidProck1981 (n=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 20:39.39 | valdyn | Mutiny-: how about you finally start describing your reall issue instead of messing around with 'weird' solutions? |
| 20:39.41 | stew | Mutiny-: of if you think the debian package needs improvement, you can file bugs against the debian package |
| 20:40.04 | *** join/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@203-044-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 20:40.11 | Mutiny- | valdyn, i described my real issue a myriad of times and the solution: installing the regular firefox and NOT iceweasel. |
| 20:40.30 | DavidProck1981 | OH WOW i got my nvidia card working, Fucking awsome, sweeeet |
| 20:40.37 | alleyoopster | valdyn: I just got back and caught the tail of your chat about kernels. Do you know if there is any advantages to building device support into kernel as opposed to loading modules? |
| 20:40.56 | stew | Mutiny-: do you need help filing bugs against the iceweasel packages? or is there anything else you need help with? |
| 20:41.15 | Mutiny- | no, i'm not going to file bugs against the iceweasel package. |
| 20:41.17 | valdyn | alleyoopster: no direct advantage. Can save you needing an initrd |
| 20:41.22 | abrotman | wow .. apt-get.org is so out of date :) |
| 20:41.31 | abrotman | Mutiny-: then you've been given your answer ... |
| 20:41.43 | sepski | Mutiny-, if you'r not interested in helping us, you can't expect us to help you. |
| 20:41.52 | Mutiny- | no, the question was "how do you install the stock firefox with apt?" |
| 20:41.53 | stew | abrotman: they upgraded to sarge! |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 20:42.01 | alleyoopster | valdyn: ok cheers |
| 20:42.05 | valdyn | Mutiny-: you just said that iceweasel acts differently, which would be a bug in the debian package. You never described the issue. |
| 20:42.08 | Mutiny- | sepski, if these were actual bugs, perhaps. |
| 20:42.09 | stew | Mutiny-: you don't, you follow the instructions on firefox's site |
| 20:42.25 | Mutiny- | <Mutiny-> when i attempt to install firefox with a fresh out of the box debian etch install, iceweasel ALWAYS comes along for the ride. when i run firefox on this system it behaves different (pops up dialog boxes in certain situations) than any other time i run firefox 2.0. these dialog box poppings make it completely unusable. |
| 20:42.43 | sepski | if the package is unuseable that's a pretty serious bug imho |
| 20:42.48 | abrotman | Mutiny-: in which situations ? |
| 20:42.55 | wols_ | what are those "certain situations"? |
| 20:42.55 | valdyn | sepski: well, it isn't |
| 20:42.59 | zinx | Mutiny-: firefox is just a virtual packages that installs iceweasel |
| 20:43.01 | valdyn | sepski: not here |
| 20:43.02 | *** join/#debian xored (n=gasdasdf@103.vauban.fr.studentenwohnheim-bw.de) |
| 20:43.12 | Mutiny- | a kiosk mode application where popping dialogs is unacceptable. |
| 20:43.13 | zinx | Mutiny-: and it should be more-or-less exactly equivilant to firefox apart from the name change. |
| 20:43.19 | sepski | valdyn, not here either :) but i might browse different sites from him :) |
| 20:43.23 | wols_ | Mutiny-: what popups? |
| 20:43.38 | *** join/#debian usr_rob (n=usr_rob@c-b5dbe055.105-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:43.42 | DavidProck1981 | Mutiny what problems r u have ing with iceweasel, For me i notice it will not stay thed default browser |
| 20:43.45 | *** join/#debian TolstoyInlove (n=TolstoyI@82.99.243.44) |
| 20:43.58 | *** join/#debian Nosf3ratu (n=epoch@76.211.3.37) |
| 20:43.59 | Mutiny- | right. why is it illegal to use the firefox name, but then i try to install "firefox" i get something else. sounds like using the name illegally AND being deceptive about it. |
| 20:44.17 | zinx | Mutiny-: it's a transitional package |
| 20:44.20 | Nosf3ratu | It's not illegal, it's just a trademark issue. |
| 20:44.23 | wols_ | Mutiny-: you can't trademark a simple name like firefox I'd say |
| 20:44.32 | zinx | Mutiny-: and it *says* it's a transitional package |
| 20:44.33 | wols_ | but you can trademark a graphical icon |
| 20:44.34 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: firefox doesn't know all the ways to set the default browser, so its dialogue is probably changing the wrong thing |
| 20:44.46 | DavidProck1981 | Mutiny is that the problem u r haveing , it will not stay the default browser |
| 20:45.10 | Mutiny- | it pops up dialogs on certain redirects that firefox doesn't, certain things with accessing the profile, etc. |
| 20:45.23 | stew | Mutiny-: see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 this is a bug filed by someone from mozcorp asking us to change the name. |
| 20:45.41 | Mutiny- | right. so you changed the name, but still use the name firefox to refer to it? makes sense? |
| 20:45.42 | zinx | Mutiny-: maybe you need to turn off an option |
| 20:45.43 | *** join/#debian doudou1 (n=doudou@207.18.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 20:45.45 | stew | Mutiny-: please be more specific than "certain redirects" |
| 20:45.45 | sword | Mutiny-: The description of the firefox package states clearly that this is a transition package to iceweasel. |
| 20:45.51 | abrotman | Nosferatu: which could lead to a lawsuit |
| 20:45.55 | *** join/#debian wad (n=wad@216.49.181.128) |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | Mutiny-: sounds like a security-related setting on in iceweasel, off in firefox, you're free to change it |
| 20:45.57 | sepski | Mutiny-, what part of "transitional package" dont you understand ? |
| 20:46.01 | Nosferatu | abrotman, right. ;) |
| 20:46.08 | valdyn | Mutiny-: but your description is still so vague its almost useless |
| 20:46.09 | doudou1 | Hi, how can i get sound with iceweal 3.0.0.3 and mplayer-embeded |
| 20:46.14 | Nosferatu | Anyone familiar with the 'daemon' utility? |
| 20:46.15 | Mutiny- | these are stated as being "added privacy features" |
| 20:46.15 | abrotman | valdyn: almost ? |
| 20:46.26 | Nosferatu | Basically just daemonizes any process, and can return the pid of the child? |
| 20:46.27 | valdyn | abrotman: just being nice.. |
| 20:46.52 | Nosferatu | I can't get it to properly parse a command. |
| 20:47.16 | Mutiny- | the real problem is not having a way to get the stock firefox. the particular problems i might be experiencing because of that |
| 20:47.18 | stew | doudou1: is the snd-pcm-oss kenrel module loaded? |
| 20:47.21 | valdyn | !tell Nosferatu -about ask |
| 20:47.36 | Nosferatu | I know about ask. |
| 20:47.36 | stew | Mutiny-: sorry that's not something we can help you with |
| 20:47.41 | *** join/#debian Ankman (n=ankman@host-87-74-61-80.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 20:47.56 | *** part/#debian DavidProck1981 (n=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 20:48.02 | valdyn | Mutiny-: www.mozilla.org has all the info you need, that has nothing to do with debian |
| 20:48.06 | sepski | Mutiny-, mozilla corp perfer that you get stock firefox from them. nothing we can do anything about. |
| 20:48.17 | Mutiny- | so inconclusion mozilla complained about not using the "firefox" trademark, but it's still being used to refer to something deceptively different. gotcha. |
| 20:48.27 | doudou1 | stew, i dont know, alsa works well |
| 20:48.27 | Nosferatu | "daemon" parses arguments to the child process as arguments to itself. How can I get it to not suck? (Happy valdyn?) |
| 20:48.35 | valdyn | Mutiny-: nope |
| 20:48.54 | *** join/#debian emir (n=emir@88.230.10.81) |
| 20:48.57 | tomdick | valdyn: got it, thanks |
| 20:49.10 | stew | Mutiny-: they didn't want us to use the firefox name with using the firefox logo ; and they didn't want us providing security patches to old versions that are still in stable |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | Nosferatu: more happy if I could see the command line |
| 20:50.08 | Nosferatu | valdyn, "daemon --name java -jar thing.jar --D=blah" |
| 20:50.22 | Nosferatu | and daemon prints out its own usage info, because it sees -jar as an option to itself. |
| 20:50.34 | Mutiny- | ""If you are going to use the Firefox name, you must also use the rest of the branding." " so the firefox name is still being used, even though the branding is not. |
| 20:50.46 | *** join/#debian bartd (n=bartden@d51520AEB.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:50.48 | Nosferatu | i've tried wrapping the command in single and double quotes, to no avail. |
| 20:50.51 | abrotman | The application does not use the firefox name |
| 20:51.03 | doudou1 | stew, cat /proc/modules does not give me a snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:51.10 | *** join/#debian un_luckier (n=unluckie@87-196-86-162.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:51.29 | Mutiny- | but apt uses the firefox name, but nothing else. |
| 20:51.43 | sepski | Mutiny-, 3 peaople have answerd you on thatone. it's a TRANSITIONAL package, it saies so on the description. pay attention and quit repeating the same silly statements over and over when you know why |
| 20:51.55 | *** part/#debian un_luckier (n=unluckie@87-196-86-162.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:51.57 | *** join/#debian Thms (n=Thomas@AAmiens-157-1-166-50.w90-1.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:51.59 | *** join/#debian sgeigerb` (n=user@h460d3369.area2.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:52.09 | Mutiny- | it doesn't matter what you call it, it's still the same name and they complained about having the name used, right? |
| 20:52.10 | stew | doudou1: does "lsmod | grep snd" list snd-pcm-oss? if not "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" add snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules, and restart iceweasel |
| 20:52.32 | *** join/#debian lexiyntax (n=syntax@ashtech.net) |
| 20:52.39 | Nosferatu | Mutiny-, it's not called 'firefox' anywhere but within the _TRANSITIONAL_ apt package. |
| 20:52.41 | sepski | it's a piece of the puzzle to be able to do upgrades without breaking. |
| 20:52.41 | tomdick | will rsync -avzr /local/dir remote:/existing/dir copy every file and directory, hidden or not, from /local/dir? |
| 20:52.55 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 20:52.59 | doudou1 | snd_pcm_oss 39200 0 |
| 20:53.01 | sepski | it will be removed when the transition is over. it's kinda why it's called a transitional package |
| 20:53.05 | *** join/#debian freezombie (i=someone@tuxhacker/free-zombie) |
| 20:53.15 | doudou1 | stew, snd_pcm_oss 39200 0 |
| 20:53.21 | Mutiny- | why not just remove the firefox transitional package completely and just call it "icweasel?" |
| 20:53.22 | stew | doudou1: i dunno then |
| 20:53.26 | valdyn | Nosferatu: "daemon --name java -- -jar thing.jar --D=blah" |
| 20:53.32 | stew | Mutiny-: becuase it would break upgrades from sarge -> etch |
| 20:53.35 | *** join/#debian sabbat (n=sabbat@203-206-113-244.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 20:53.37 | abrotman | Mutiny-: for people who are upgrading |
| 20:53.37 | sepski | becouse it would break upgrades |
| 20:53.59 | abrotman | !depends firefox etch |
| 20:54.03 | doudou1 | stew, firefox told me something about aoss |
| 20:54.07 | dpkg | firefox: depends on iceweasel (>= 2.0.0.3-1), iceweasel (<< 2.0.0.3-1.1~) |
| 20:54.10 | abrotman | get it ? |
| 20:54.13 | Mutiny- | so rather than having the "firefox" give you the real firefox, it's a way to foist iceweasel on people who are just upgrading? |
| 20:54.25 | abrotman | Mutiny-: go whine to mozilla .. not us |
| 20:54.32 | stew | Mutiny-: sorry |
| 20:54.40 | sepski | Mutiny-, firefox in debian never ever gave you the stock firefoz from mozcorp. |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | Mutiny-: they asked us to do what we've done .. we didn't do it to screw users |
| 20:54.49 | Nosferatu | valdyn, thanks! Exactly what I was looking for. |
| 20:54.56 | stew | Mutiny-: anyway, i think you understand the situation. and this conversation is going nowhere productive. can we please drop it? |
| 20:54.58 | Nosferatu | valdyn, sorry for being kind of a dick. :p |
| 20:55.05 | tomdick | Mutiny-: just d/l the tarball from mozilla and run it |
| 20:55.07 | doudou1 | i beleive firefox channel does not give help about iceweasel |
| 20:55.12 | Mutiny- | still refering to it as "firefox" in apt just seems sort of deceptive. |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | i'm sure they don't |
| 20:55.17 | valdyn | Mutiny-: fyi, debians linux isnt linus linux either, nor is any software in debian, your only option might be slackware |
| 20:55.18 | stew | doudou1: that's fine, we do |
| 20:55.19 | *** join/#debian pascutti (n=angelo@201.89.2.174) |
| 20:55.20 | abrotman | Mutiny-: it doesn't .. for the umpteenth time |
| 20:55.26 | concept10 | Why do people waste intellectual cycles on this non-sense? |
| 20:55.28 | tomdick | Mutiny-: they did it to pick on you |
| 20:55.31 | doudou1 | i beleive iceweasel channel does not exists |
| 20:55.37 | stew | Mutiny-: yes, we got it. do you have anything else you need help with? |
| 20:55.41 | Mutiny- | i understand that things in apt are just repackages. |
| 20:55.46 | *** part/#debian midgetnat (n=asdf@201.247.58.86) |
| 20:55.57 | Mutiny- | oh no, i just wanted to see if i got things straight before i write an article about it. |
| 20:56.33 | valdyn | Mutiny-: almost nothing in debian is identical to upstream. |
| 20:56.37 | abrotman | why would you? you obviously don't understand what's going on |
| 20:56.37 | Nosferatu | Be sure to include what a bunch of arrogant bastards #debian is. |
| 20:56.38 | Mutiny- | i like my linux distribution to NOT fuck with the origional software it packages into a distribution as much as possible. |
| 20:56.44 | Nosferatu | Otherwise, people won't take your article seriously. |
| 20:56.49 | sepski | Nosferatu, that's my fav part :) |
| 20:56.50 | tomdick | Mutiny-: they may be _patched_ repackages. that is, the actual program is different than what the original author released. |
| 20:56.52 | stew | Mutiny-: please drop this conversation. we got it |
| 20:56.57 | rcbarnes | Mutiny-: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/04/11 <--This might be of interest for your article... :-D |
| 20:56.57 | valdyn | Mutiny-: you dont need a distro, install linux from scratch |
| 20:57.03 | Mutiny- | Nosferatu, why would i do that? most people in here are very helpful. |
| 20:57.10 | tomdick | valdyn: you beat me to it |
| 20:57.13 | Nosferatu | It was tongue-in-cheek. |
| 20:57.31 | Mutiny- | yes, i understand that things are patched to make it work with a specific distribution when they are included in a package management system like apt. |
| 20:57.32 | abrotman | Mutiny-: you're whining about something that is beyond our control |
| 20:57.32 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 20:57.44 | abrotman | and you still haven't given us the real problem |
| 20:57.50 | abrotman | just a vague meta-description |
| 20:58.26 | Mutiny- | the problem is, in essence, not being able to get firefox-- not iceweasel, from apt. my particular reasons for that don't make that problem any less valid. |
| 20:58.28 | sepski | Mutiny-, unfortunatly a part of getting 18000 packages to interoperate in a non destructive manner, includes modifying them. and debian does it better then anyone |
| 20:58.43 | sword | abrotman: You're right, ignores are great. |
| 20:58.45 | Mutiny- | i install from the tarball, problem solved for me. the origional problem remains. |
| 20:58.45 | abrotman | Mutiny-: what problem? you still haven't fully described it |
| 20:58.46 | spyro_boy | Hello, is there an ncurses manager to my daemons that start on boot? |
| 20:58.50 | wols_ | busfahrer: it's bullshit make believe problem you have |
| 20:58.53 | stew | spyro_boy: rcconf |
| 20:58.58 | spyro_boy | stew, thanks man |
| 20:59.00 | sepski | Mutiny-, except that you have never gotten firefox (as mozcorp realeses it) from apt. you have allways gotten debian |
| 20:59.01 | wols_ | besides: you were given ample ways to remedy your situation |
| 20:59.04 | sepski | s firefox package |
| 20:59.08 | Mutiny- | sepski, i'm aware of that. that's why i LIKE debian as opposed to say ubuntu. |
| 20:59.19 | wols_ | and if you want real ffox in apt, whine at mozilla.org, bot debian |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | the obvious solution is to use epiphany :) |
| 20:59.37 | *** join/#debian atlas95 (n=atlas@84.5.54.145) |
| 20:59.38 | sepski | opera ! |
| 20:59.41 | Mutiny- | i switched to opera on windows, problem solved, amirite?! |
| 20:59.42 | abrotman | that's not open! |
| 20:59.51 | abrotman | neither is FF! |
| 20:59.55 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.79.243) |
| 20:59.55 | *** join/#debian Dongle5129 (n=opera@82.152.150.204) |
| 21:00.17 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (i=burek@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 21:00.43 | Vasistha | Mutiny-: what does opera on windows have to do with #debian ? |
| 21:01.03 | Mutiny- | it was a joke. |
| 21:01.03 | *** join/#debian jsubl2 (n=jsubl2@adsl-76-201-179-174.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:01.03 | rcbarnes | Mutiny-: Your problem is that you can't install firefox through apt, but Debian is not legally able to provide it. I don't see where that could possibly be something Debian can help---at least not legally, and I hope you're not insisting that Debian break the law so visibly. |
| 21:01.34 | rcbarnes | (Yes, it is *law* trademarking and copyright law) |
| 21:01.46 | stew | this has all been covered, let's please move on |
| 21:01.48 | *** join/#debian ferret_0567 (n=travis@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 21:01.48 | Mutiny- | rcbarnes, i understand that.. what i don't understand is that Debian appears to be still breaking the law by refering to firefox in apt as iceweasel. |
| 21:01.50 | sepski | Mutiny-, of course you could argue that mozcorp should provide a .deb repository |
| 21:01.54 | abrotman | it's not ... |
| 21:01.59 | stew | Mutiny-: drop it |
| 21:02.06 | ferret_0567 | How do I select a dependency resolving action in aptitude? |
| 21:02.06 | stew | sepski: drop it |
| 21:02.11 | rcbarnes | stew: Yeah. Good call. |
| 21:02.23 | stew | ferret_0567: in the frontend? |
| 21:02.26 | ferret_0567 | Yeah |
| 21:02.42 | stew | ferret_0567: ',' should cycle through them if i am understanding your quesiton |
| 21:02.46 | ferret_0567 | I've tried the right arrow, I'm in the bottom pane already |
| 21:03.08 | Mutiny- | so calling firefox in debian firefox, bad.. calling iceweasel in debian apt firefox.. still okay? |
| 21:03.20 | abrotman | you still don't understand |
| 21:03.20 | valdyn | geez |
| 21:03.22 | ferret_0567 | Under "The following actions will resolve this dependency" |
| 21:03.28 | valdyn | !stfu |
| 21:03.28 | dpkg | i guess stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 21:03.44 | tomdick | Mutiny-: mozilla is ok with the transition. get over it. |
| 21:04.00 | sepski | Mutiny-, mozcorp fully understands that you dont ynak something like firefox out from debian overnight. it requieres transition. that's the purpose of the transitional package. to avoid breakage. |
| 21:04.03 | tomdick | their permission is what was necessary. debian has it. game over |
| 21:04.05 | Mutiny- | are they really? did they tell you? or did they just not know? |
| 21:04.21 | doudou1 | i propose someone here open iceweasel channel with ask in debian as moto |
| 21:04.23 | sepski | Mutiny-, read the bugreport it will enlighten you |
| 21:04.23 | Vasistha | yes, they really. |
| 21:04.36 | Mutiny- | i'm going through it right now. i'm about halfway down. |
| 21:04.54 | ferret_0567 | How do I select, "Keep amarok-xine at version 2:1.4.5-0ubuntu7 (feisty, now)"? |
| 21:05.06 | Vasistha | ferret_0567: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:05.07 | valdyn | ferret_0567: you're in the wrong channel |
| 21:05.15 | *** join/#debian DocPlatypus (n=skquinn@adsl-75-59-254-214.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:05.16 | ferret_0567 | Well...it's aptitude, isn't it? |
| 21:05.24 | rcbarnes | mmm... eating |
| 21:05.26 | Vasistha | ferret_0567: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:05.31 | ferret_0567 | ok then |
| 21:05.36 | ferret_0567 | thanks |
| 21:05.40 | Vasistha | np |
| 21:05.40 | *** part/#debian ferret_0567 (n=travis@cpe-72-183-231-110.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 21:06.19 | *** join/#debian maki (n=maki@62.162.218.231) |
| 21:06.42 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu) |
| 21:06.49 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-027.eplus-online.de) |
| 21:07.27 | maki | in which things debian is diferent from k/ubuntu |
| 21:07.38 | stew | maki: every package |
| 21:07.49 | maki | i know |
| 21:08.00 | Vasistha | maki: if you know, why did you ask? the kernel is different, too. |
| 21:08.13 | maki | but i mean in way of working and useing it |
| 21:08.32 | *** join/#debian n3kl__ (n=n3kl@67-41-218-196.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 21:08.44 | *** join/#debian Madd_Matt (n=matt@pucdsl-555.puc.net) |
| 21:08.56 | Vasistha | maki: depends what you're going to do with it. For some people, they may seem identical; for others, worlds apart. |
| 21:08.59 | valdyn | maki: we don't know. Feel free to read the diffs, they are public and plenty |
| 21:09.07 | stew | maki: please go to ##linux if you want to compare varios distros |
| 21:09.40 | maxamillion | maki: well, since ubuntu is basically just a mirror image of debian packages with some tweaks here and hacks there ... they are rather similar but debian enables the root account by default |
| 21:09.41 | maki | i use kubuntu and i know people who use debian as server and ubuntu for home |
| 21:09.48 | *** join/#debian kneer0w (n=kneer0w@dialup-4.232.60.143.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 21:09.54 | abrotman | maxamillion: that's not quite true |
| 21:10.00 | maxamillion | maki: i use debian for server and desktop |
| 21:10.05 | maxamillion | abrotman: how so? |
| 21:10.13 | abrotman | they make more than just a few tweaks .. |
| 21:10.25 | maxamillion | abrotman: ok, so i was politely conservative in my statement |
| 21:10.28 | maki | its good that we hve choice |
| 21:10.57 | *** join/#debian martiancode (n=martianc@unaffiliated/martiancode) |
| 21:11.05 | maki | Have* |
| 21:11.12 | maxamillion | maki: i also run xubuntu and ubuntu ... and arch, and suse .... different machines do different things and i feel different distros are suited for different things |
| 21:11.31 | *** part/#debian Dongle5129 (n=opera@82.152.150.204) |
| 21:11.33 | *** join/#debian s1 (n=Savar@e178235247.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:11.35 | *** join/#debian kspath (n=kspath@pdpc/supporter/active/kspath) |
| 21:11.40 | maxamillion | maki: but debian is the one true distro ;) ..... (just a little prideful propoganda for ya) |
| 21:11.41 | K|NgGh0sT | anyway to get cplay to suppose wma? |
| 21:11.43 | *** join/#debian lewis (n=lewis@backup.SaintsServers.com) |
| 21:11.51 | K|NgGh0sT | er m4a |
| 21:11.54 | lewis | when importing a MySQL database, I get the following: ERROR 1153 (08S01) at line 58370: Got a packet bigger than 'max_allowed_packet' bytes |
| 21:12.03 | maki | yes its true |
| 21:12.29 | maki | you take the right distro for the right thing |
| 21:12.30 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-213.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 21:12.59 | abrotman | lewis: ask #mysql |
| 21:13.15 | lewis | there already - just wondering if you guys had any thoughts |
| 21:13.19 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH_ (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 21:13.29 | maxamillion | maki: there are alot of people who would disagree with me on that, but i attempt to keep an open mind |
| 21:14.01 | maki | thats wery nice |
| 21:14.27 | maki | i have only desktop |
| 21:14.46 | *** join/#debian ribasushi (n=rabbit@dslb-084-063-119-136.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:14.54 | ribasushi | hi |
| 21:14.54 | maki | if i had 2 computers i would experiment more |
| 21:14.59 | *** join/#debian Casius_Dracul (n=Casius_D@cpe-76-179-135-210.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 21:15.45 | *** join/#debian c1ru (n=pacogp@81.202.45.15.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:15.52 | *** join/#debian kspath (n=kspath@pdpc/supporter/active/kspath) |
| 21:16.02 | maxamillion | maki: i only own one personal computer but i do alot of different things at work |
| 21:16.03 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=lordlame@e177229134.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:16.12 | maxamillion | maki: so i get to experiment :) |
| 21:16.32 | ribasushi | I am running sid, and after the locales screw up got fixed I uninstalled locales-all and installed locales back |
| 21:16.44 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 21:16.49 | ribasushi | now my en-US.UTF-8 is broken no matter which package I have |
| 21:16.55 | Vasistha | maki: well, you can always make a couple different partitions for experimentation. A root partition in a typical desktop system doesn't usually need to be bigger than 5 GB |
| 21:17.11 | ribasushi | what should I delete? locales looks very spagettized |
| 21:17.38 | *** join/#debian lobz (n=lobz@catv54033183.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 21:17.59 | maki | yes |
| 21:18.01 | maki | but i like it cleaner |
| 21:18.01 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm etch looks to stable |
| 21:18.06 | K|NgGh0sT | time to move to sid |
| 21:18.12 | lupine_85 | root partitions on lvm is fun |
| 21:18.13 | maki | i had one pentium 2 |
| 21:18.25 | maki | but i broke it |
| 21:19.21 | jazbo2185 | Is there a way I can check what format an audio file is? |
| 21:19.22 | maxamillion | maki: you could always run qemu or virtual box and try out different things :) |
| 21:19.37 | *** join/#debian Casius_Dracul (n=Casius_D@cpe-76-179-135-210.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 21:19.56 | tomdick | jazbo2185: 'file filename' |
| 21:20.04 | Muisje | Dj Porny me so horny, come up with the vibeeeee |
| 21:20.37 | Muisje | Oops, wrong chan |
| 21:20.59 | jazbo2185 | tomdick: cool thank you |
| 21:21.26 | tomdick | jazbo2185: glad to help |
| 21:21.49 | d0dge | When I'm trying to install Debian to my PC, I get this 'Debootstrap' error in base system install, 'No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 21:24.52 | kdog | what's the command for extracting all files in a .deb? |
| 21:25.07 | stew | kdog: man dpkg |
| 21:25.49 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@ip70-185-168-242.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 21:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 813] by debhelper |
| 21:26.19 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 21:26.52 | *** join/#debian Enverex (i=nobody@host-84-9-189-109.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 21:27.04 | Enverex | Can I lock a package to a particular version inside Synaptic? |
| 21:27.06 | jazbo2185 | How would I convert a chiptune (.xm, .it, .s3m, etc...) to wav/ogg/mp3? |
| 21:27.26 | maki | yes |
| 21:27.28 | Enverex | jazbo2185, You need to use something like the Waveout on Audacious |
| 21:27.37 | Enverex | jazbo2185, Er, filewriter even |
| 21:27.41 | maki | there is a fight on ##linux |
| 21:28.19 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@64.122.41.37) |
| 21:28.19 | Enverex | How can you have a "fight" on IRC |
| 21:28.55 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@shc.edu.bz) |
| 21:29.05 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@80-235-71-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 21:29.16 | kdog | stew, thx. I'll re-read that man page :-P |
| 21:29.22 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 21:29.42 | Eulex | is it possible to see the cpu usage of individual threads in a program? |
| 21:29.55 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@80-235-71-68-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 21:30.17 | *** join/#debian nyty (n=nyty@r3t43.net.upc.cz) |
| 21:30.28 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@c58-107-18-60.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 21:30.36 | maki | there is some guy who says bad words about linux |
| 21:30.50 | *** join/#debian Dathon (n=dathon@adsl-75-18-84-118.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:31.07 | Vasistha | maki: so /ignore him? |
| 21:31.25 | Dathon | Greetings all :) |
| 21:31.27 | *** join/#debian kali67 (n=kali67@adsl-75-23-58-204.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:31.39 | Vasistha | jazbo2185: or ask #mplayer |
| 21:31.59 | spyro_boy | Er.. |
| 21:32.06 | *** join/#debian rissy (n=rissy@124.197.57.54) |
| 21:32.12 | maki | Vasistha:that is not the way |
| 21:32.13 | spyro_boy | I'm having a bit of problems with this weird MPD error from apt/dpkg |
| 21:32.35 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 21:32.35 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 21:32.36 | spyro_boy | Stopping Music Player Daemon: not running or no pid_file set. |
| 21:32.36 | spyro_boy | Starting Music Player Daemon: mkdir: cannot create directory `~/.mpd': No such file or directory |
| 21:32.39 | spyro_boy | invoke-rc.d: initscript mpd, action "restart" failed. |
| 21:32.42 | spyro_boy | dpkg: error processing mpd (--configure): |
| 21:32.44 | spyro_boy | But it's running right now. |
| 21:33.03 | spyro_boy | I tried switching HOME to /home/spyroboy/ rather than root and running it again, it did nothing useful either. |
| 21:33.09 | Vasistha | spyro_boy: please don't paste in the channel |
| 21:33.17 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, oh. Alright. |
| 21:33.28 | spyro_boy | ah. I see.. there's a paster. |
| 21:33.29 | *** join/#debian Tallu (i=juuso@unaffiliated/tallu) |
| 21:33.37 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 21:34.28 | *** join/#debian yeager (n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager) |
| 21:34.33 | Tallu | Uhm, what all would I need for a new kernel to find the root filesystem? I have the sata chipset (jmicron) support built in, also built in ahci, ext2, ext3. still doesn't find it though |
| 21:34.46 | spyro_boy | Tallu, what does it do? |
| 21:34.49 | valdyn | jazbo2185: any chiptune player should have an option to output to a file instead of the sound card |
| 21:34.54 | spyro_boy | "Waiting for root file system" |
| 21:34.54 | spyro_boy | ? |
| 21:35.01 | *** part/#debian lobz (n=lobz@catv54033183.pool.t-online.hu) |
| 21:35.06 | Tallu | spyro_boy: "/dev/sda4 is not a valid block device" |
| 21:35.44 | spyro_boy | Tallu, might be incorrect kernel options set? |
| 21:35.51 | spyro_boy | I can't think of much else |
| 21:35.57 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@c-69-242-187-83.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 21:36.05 | *** join/#debian xerios (n=yzrider0@c-76-97-45-182.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 21:36.10 | Enverex | Wow, 2 seconds in ##linux and I think I lost 50 IQ points |
| 21:36.14 | *** join/#debian outlier (n=tyoung@216.171.252.54) |
| 21:36.18 | spyro_boy | Enverex, lol |
| 21:36.22 | xerios | is it wise to upgrade from 3.1 to 4.0 |
| 21:36.23 | Tallu | spyro_boy: hmm well, it's pointing to the root filesystem |
| 21:36.25 | xerios | or should i do a full install |
| 21:36.35 | Vasistha | Tallu: you might need an initrd |
| 21:36.39 | xerios | i got a pretty advanced raid config (for me atleast) and i'd rather not reinstall |
| 21:36.51 | Tallu | Vasistha: i actually made one, didnt help |
| 21:36.54 | Vasistha | xerios: probably upgrade. And read the upgrade guide. |
| 21:37.04 | xerios | cool |
| 21:37.05 | xerios | thanks |
| 21:37.08 | Vasistha | xerios: debian is designed to be upgradable, unlike some other distros |
| 21:37.14 | xerios | nice |
| 21:37.15 | Dathon | I've installed Etch, a wonderful piece of work. The one thing I just can not get working correctly is the system date/time. If I just want a desktop system to show correct , local time _and_ at the command line to show the correct local time, what files outside of ntp need to be changed? (newbie I know, and I've done this before .. sorry) |
| 21:37.30 | xerios | heres the question though, is it possibly to upgrade from x86 to x64 ;P |
| 21:37.43 | Vasistha | Dathon: try running tzconfig |
| 21:37.57 | *** join/#debian CoolCubix (n=coolcubi@ASte-Genev-Bois-151-1-31-90.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:38.07 | Dathon | ah ... good one, I will. |
| 21:38.21 | Enverex | xerios, You're not missing much, the only differences I've noticed are that I can't view WMV files anymore and Flash doesn't work |
| 21:38.45 | xerios | uh i am using this as a server |
| 21:38.46 | DocPlatypus | Enverex: I thought native code was used in newer ffmpeg versions for WMV? |
| 21:38.52 | spyro_boy | Enverex, WMV? |
| 21:38.55 | DocPlatypus | as in, it didn't rely on Microsoft's DLLs |
| 21:38.58 | spyro_boy | Enverex, why not? |
| 21:39.03 | Enverex | DocPlatypus, So did I but it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:39.05 | *** part/#debian Octopus (i=Octopus@194.12.248.62) |
| 21:39.07 | Dathon | Vasistha: Doup!! that did it, thank you ,and sorry for that easy one. :) |
| 21:39.24 | spyro_boy | Flash can be run in a 32bit version of Firefox |
| 21:39.31 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c211-28-150-227.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 21:39.33 | Vasistha | xerios: well, that's an interesting question! how are you proposing to do this transition? I don't have *any* experience here, but you ought to be able to install any kernel on any machine, the question of course is whether you can actually boot the kernel... and your grub menu can help take care of that |
| 21:40.02 | xerios | apt-get dist-upgrade << i would imagine that will do x86 --> x86 :D |
| 21:40.06 | DocPlatypus | yeah I had to do that for Java until Sun can get its collective head out of its collective ass and give us Java under the GPL |
| 21:40.10 | Agrajag- | g'day. what do i have to do to get a better res in terminals? i've tried adding vga=791 to grub, but i must be missing something else because it doesn't do anything |
| 21:40.18 | *** part/#debian Cyorxamp (i=Cyorxamp@twisturion.plus.com) |
| 21:40.32 | spyro_boy | xerios, I'd imagine it should |
| 21:40.55 | Vasistha | spyro_boy: try dpkg -l packagename, and see if it says it was installed correctly -- if all's well, the first two characters should be 'ii' |
| 21:41.16 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, oh wow. I see |
| 21:41.17 | Vasistha | !tell Agrajag- -about doesn't work |
| 21:41.21 | spyro_boy | iF mpd 0.12.2-2 Music Player Daemon |
| 21:41.31 | spyro_boy | er.. sorry |
| 21:41.36 | Vasistha | spyro_boy: that's alright, one line's ok |
| 21:41.57 | Vasistha | spyro_boy: just try an apt-get -f install mpd, -f is for fix |
| 21:42.09 | *** part/#debian coldsteal (n=coldstea@user-0cdvhie.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:42.11 | Agrajag- | Vasistha: it doesn't change the res, i get a normal size terminal (80x25 or whatever it is) |
| 21:42.20 | *** join/#debian gonzaloaf_laptop (n=gonzaloa@190.40.174.7) |
| 21:42.24 | Vasistha | spyro_boy: and as a standing recommendation, when you have the time, I'd recommend learning the aptitude front-end |
| 21:42.32 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, ah. I was going to remove it and install it |
| 21:42.33 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=tscheek@p5092314d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:42.37 | *** join/#debian kupesoft (n=dave@bas6-toronto63-1096713084.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 21:42.38 | CoolCubix | Hi, I am in testing (and for my problem had to add also stable repo). libqt4-dev didn't want to be installed, I had to explicitly tell apt-get to install _older_ versions of some subdependencies. I wanted to give this feedback for eventual other testing users who would not want to have to deal with dependencies problems... |
| 21:42.44 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, I've heard. |
| 21:42.52 | Vasistha | Agrajag-: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 21:43.02 | *** join/#debian jaalto (n=user@a81-197-175-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 21:43.04 | Vasistha | Agrajag-: just to make sure it actually got passed correctly |
| 21:43.28 | Vasistha | CoolCubix: bugs.debian.org |
| 21:43.55 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, doesn't work |
| 21:44.36 | *** join/#debian kronic (n=blowfish@28.64.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 21:44.55 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 21:44.55 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:44.56 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (n=wil@wc-35.r-195-35-167.atwork.nl) |
| 21:45.08 | Agrajag- | Vasistha: root=/dev/hda1 ro console=tty0 vga=791 |
| 21:45.10 | *** join/#debian atlas95_ (n=atlas@84.5.54.145) |
| 21:45.13 | *** join/#debian adp (n=adp@82.53.181.58) |
| 21:45.27 | *** join/#debian atlas95 (n=atlas@84.5.54.145) |
| 21:46.00 | spyro_boy | Vasistha, well, you're right on that context, but it's the same error. |
| 21:46.09 | spyro_boy | It didn't change anything :/ |
| 21:46.24 | spyro_boy | I'm manning dpkg to see if there's anything there |
| 21:46.38 | Vasistha | Agrajag-: huh, I wonder what that console=tty0 is doing ... I've never used such an option. Anyway, you're probably having some sort of framebuffer issue, or else trying to use svgatextmode or something, and something is overriding your kernel param |
| 21:47.18 | dutchfish | hi guys, i am running 2.6.18-4-xen-pae on laptop, apperently i have a leftover ie: pcmcia-cs 3.2.8-9, can it savely removed or need i reinstall pcmciautils and related modules first? |
| 21:48.32 | dutchfish | because is giving warning that this 1 is depricated |
| 21:49.16 | *** join/#debian reiser2 (n=Nayaki@190.72.183.170) |
| 21:49.33 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@c-69-242-187-83.hsd1.mo.comcast.net) |
| 21:49.36 | Vasistha | dutchfish: I purged pcmcia-cs and all the kernel-pcmcia-modules, and everything is fine. The only pcmcia package I have installed is pcmciautils |
| 21:50.10 | dutchfish | Vasistha, what about related deps when removing it? after all its a laptop ... |
| 21:50.36 | Vasistha | dutchfish: does anything depend on it? aptitude will warn you ;-) |
| 21:51.02 | *** join/#debian znx (n=znx@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 21:51.06 | dutchfish | Vasistha, x fingers, ill hust try |
| 21:51.58 | dutchfish | Vasistha, worked but got warning Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 and udev is enabled; use pcmciautils instead |
| 21:52.17 | Vasistha | dutchfish: dpkg -l '*pcmcia*' |
| 21:52.51 | Vasistha | dutchfish: oh, and the new commands are pccardctl instead of cardctl |
| 21:53.07 | dutchfish | Vasistha, seams fine: pcmciauutils is there nothing else |
| 21:53.43 | Vasistha | dutchfish: I think you should be good to go! |
| 21:54.01 | dutchfish | Vasistha, does it need reboot of kernel now? |
| 21:54.09 | Vasistha | probably not, no |
| 21:54.18 | dutchfish | Vasistha, still can use chat :) |
| 21:54.35 | *** part/#debian jlaw (n=jlaw@p54892ba4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:54.45 | dutchfish | Vasistha, thx! |
| 21:54.59 | Vasistha | dutchfish: you might want to rmmod the old stuff -- I don't know if that's done automatically. Be careful with rmmod ;-) |
| 21:55.10 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 21:55.12 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 21:55.17 | tomdick | are there any problems installing lenny? have things settled down yet? |
| 21:55.55 | dutchfish | Vasistha, now i lost you, what you mean? |
| 21:55.56 | dutchfish | Vasistha, you mean dpkg --purge [package]? |
| 21:55.56 | *** join/#debian Zancat (n=RULER@pool-71-100-16-163.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:56.16 | Vasistha | dutchfish: unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure, either. I think everything should be fine, just disregard my last comment |
| 21:56.29 | dutchfish | Vasistha, the /etc/pcmcia/* is still there |
| 21:56.29 | *** join/#debian Octopus (i=Octopus@194.12.248.62) |
| 21:56.32 | Octopus | where can I set the keyring pass again in gnome? |
| 21:56.36 | Octopus | can anyone tell me |
| 21:57.15 | *** join/#debian surgeon (n=surgeon@NAT-POOL-3.router.sknt.ru) |
| 21:57.25 | surgeon | hi all |
| 21:57.56 | maxamillion | surgeon: hi |
| 21:58.05 | Vasistha | Octopus: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=gpg&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 21:58.10 | surgeon | maxamillion, yo |
| 21:58.18 | dutchfish | Vasistha, dpkg --purge pcmcia-cs pcmcia-modules did the job |
| 21:58.29 | surgeon | maxamillion, what are you talking about ? |
| 21:58.31 | Vasistha | dutchfish: ah, there ya go |
| 21:58.41 | surgeon | ^_^ |
| 21:58.46 | *** join/#debian markybob (i=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 21:58.50 | dutchfish | Vasistha, thx again :) |
| 21:59.05 | Octopus | Vasistha: It is already installed, |
| 21:59.16 | Vasistha | Octopus: what is "it"? |
| 21:59.17 | spyro_boy | well |
| 21:59.23 | Octopus | but dunno where in desktop env i can find it |
| 21:59.34 | spyro_boy | I fixed mpd by saving my configs dpkg --purging it, and then reinstalling. |
| 21:59.35 | Octopus | Keyring stuff, it asked few mins ago when I started terminal for the 1st time |
| 21:59.38 | rissy | jsvc-dev - development files for jsvc |
| 21:59.45 | rissy | would that be the java compiler for debian? |
| 22:00.04 | Vasistha | !install java |
| 22:00.05 | dpkg | install java is, like, First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 22:00.11 | rissy | :D |
| 22:00.18 | surgeon | <_< |
| 22:00.22 | surgeon | lolz |
| 22:00.24 | *** join/#debian P4C0 (n=ash@200.124.22.34) |
| 22:00.30 | *** join/#debian nunu_ (n=nunu@p5481ED5F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:00.35 | maxamillion | surgeon: i'm not really talking about anything ... just kinda hanging out |
| 22:00.36 | P4C0 | what's the option for apt-get to avoid dependencies check??? |
| 22:01.05 | dutchfish | P4C0, force |
| 22:01.09 | P4C0 | dutchfish, thanks |
| 22:01.33 | rissy | !install sun-java5-jdk |
| 22:01.39 | rissy | heh |
| 22:01.40 | rissy | :/ |
| 22:01.57 | rissy | would be apt-get install sun-java5-jdk right? |
| 22:01.57 | gpm | rissy: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk? |
| 22:02.01 | rissy | didn't work |
| 22:02.02 | rissy | lawl |
| 22:02.02 | gpm | yeah |
| 22:02.06 | surgeon | P4C0, it's option is --help :) lolz |
| 22:02.10 | gpm | assuming you have non-free in sources.list |
| 22:02.12 | P4C0 | dutchfish, dpkg: unknown force/refuse option |
| 22:02.23 | rissy | gpm, where's the non-free list? |
| 22:02.24 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 22:02.26 | rissy | i'll add it now |
| 22:02.29 | gpm | man apt-get....i hate to be a dick, but you need to |
| 22:02.31 | P4C0 | surgeon, # debpkg --help |
| 22:02.31 | P4C0 | Usage: debpkg --help|--version|dpkg-options |
| 22:02.40 | rissy | gpm, meh |
| 22:02.40 | rissy | k |
| 22:02.41 | Vasistha | !sources.list |
| 22:02.42 | dpkg | i guess sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 22:02.48 | Vasistha | rissy: ^^^ |
| 22:02.48 | dutchfish | P4C0, --force-yes |
| 22:02.58 | rissy | Vasistha, <3 |
| 22:03.02 | gpm | rissy: you want something like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ [etch,lenny,sid] main non-free contrib |
| 22:03.05 | *** join/#debian sgeigerb` (n=user@h460d2514.area2.spcsdns.net) |
| 22:03.10 | rissy | :D |
| 22:03.14 | stew | P4C0: why do you want to avoid the dependency check? |
| 22:03.16 | P4C0 | dutchfish, dpkg: unknown force/refuse option `yes' |
| 22:03.25 | gpm | rissy: then apt-get update |
| 22:03.27 | gpm | rissy: then it should work |
| 22:03.32 | rissy | k |
| 22:04.06 | P4C0 | stew, because i have postgresql-8.1 and the package i want to install depends on postgresql... (7.4) i asume... for some strange reason the system don't consider postgresql 8.1 to be >= than postgresql 7.4 |
| 22:04.10 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@179.sub-70-223-45.myvzw.com) |
| 22:04.45 | *** join/#debian ArkoldThos (n=arkoldth@189.129.43.39) |
| 22:04.48 | Vasistha | P4C0: your package depends on pgsql 7.4, or pgsql >=7.4 ? |
| 22:04.49 | dutchfish | P4C0, dpkg --force-help and read |
| 22:04.58 | stew | P4C0: correct, they are considered completely different. and even if you force the dependency this time, its still going to complain that you have broken dependencies until you actually fix the dependency problem |
| 22:05.17 | Vasistha | P4C0: disregard my comment :P |
| 22:05.22 | maxamillion | there is a current anomoly i am trying to figure out in java .... the loop: for(float x=1.0f/3.0f; x!=1.0f; x = x + (1.0f/3.0f)) isn't infinite in java5 or 6 ... haven't tried in previous versions but still ... i'm stumped |
| 22:05.27 | P4C0 | Vasistha, on pgsql >=7.4 |
| 22:05.40 | stew | P4C0: you don't want force here, if you are SURE that the package declaring the dependency will work with postgresql-8.1, then use the equivs pacakge: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:05.45 | Vasistha | P4C0: yeah, you should just listen to stew and ignore my ramblings ;-) |
| 22:05.49 | maxamillion | .... that was targeted at rissy |
| 22:06.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 803] by debhelper |
| 22:06.19 | *** join/#debian obnauticus (n=admin@c-71-59-162-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 22:06.23 | Vasistha | maxamillion: ask ##java ;-) |
| 22:06.23 | rcbarnes | maxamillion: ... perhaps #java is a better channel for that question? |
| 22:06.28 | rissy | maxamillion, busy at the moment sorry sir |
| 22:06.33 | rissy | heh |
| 22:06.59 | P4C0 | sorry I'm not a debian fan... actually I don't use it... but now i have... and all this dependency chain makes not sense for me at all... am even having problems to find a usefull man page!!! for god sake! |
| 22:07.13 | *** join/#debian tapio (i=tapio@ccnp.no) |
| 22:07.17 | gpm | P4C0: man apt-get |
| 22:07.25 | gpm | for starters |
| 22:07.27 | gpm | there's a useful one |
| 22:07.38 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 22:07.38 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 22:07.39 | stew | P4C0: in general you shouldn't need to make sense of it, you should trust that the package maintainers know what they are doing so you don't have to |
| 22:07.39 | P4C0 | stew, if i install the postgresql package (7.4) will it mess with my current 8.1? |
| 22:08.05 | stew | P4C0: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:08.07 | rcbarnes | P4C0: I'm confused---you don't like or use Debian, but you have questions about it? |
| 22:08.15 | P4C0 | gpm, but i'm not using apt-get... i have a deb pacakge, so I'm using debpkg... that as far as I understand is the main one right? (apt-get needs debpkg?) |
| 22:08.18 | stew | rcbarnes: why is that confusing? |
| 22:08.36 | gpm | P4C0: are you even using debian? if you are, you should apt-get |
| 22:08.41 | gpm | or aptitude, really |
| 22:08.53 | tapio | How does debial connect to the internet with the netinstall? dhclient, dhcpcd, or? |
| 22:08.53 | dutchfish | !apt-get |
| 22:08.53 | dpkg | well, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 22:08.58 | maxamillion | rissy: no worries ... i just forgot to add your nick infront of the statement ... and it was just kinda a side comment to your previous mention of the java compiler |
| 22:09.04 | stew | !depends postgresql stable |
| 22:09.09 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=SubStack@dhcp-103-89.arsc.edu) |
| 22:09.09 | rissy | heh |
| 22:09.11 | dpkg | postgresql: depends on postgresql-7.4, postgresql-client (>= 7.5), postgresql-common (>= 40) |
| 22:09.17 | stew | hrm |
| 22:09.22 | gpm | tapio: by default, dhcp, but you can make it do other stuff...don't know about dialup though |
| 22:09.30 | *** join/#debian loca|host (n=tux@193.95.51.222) |
| 22:09.32 | *** join/#debian znx_ (i=irc@ip213040160104.adsl.supanet.net.uk) |
| 22:09.42 | P4C0 | rcbarnes, gpm stew it's a custom package for a custom client... i have a .deb file and that's all... i think (correct me if I am wrong) that apt-get have no use here... and the correct way to install it is via debpkg --install so far so good? |
| 22:10.07 | *** join/#debian MetalWolf (n=MetalWol@horne1.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:10.13 | gpm | P4C0: what brand of linux are you running on the target machine? |
| 22:10.24 | rcbarnes | P4C0: dpkg, yes |
| 22:10.24 | *** join/#debian xLoader (n=rayyildi@88.239.73.204) |
| 22:10.55 | rcbarnes | P4C0: the man page for that is also useful |
| 22:11.20 | rissy | coolies, java set up now :D |
| 22:11.24 | stew | P4C0: in that case, the fault is not debian's but the person that made the deb (if the software would really work with either postgres or postgres-8.1, their package should have said that) |
| 22:11.24 | *** join/#debian midgetnat (n=asdf@201.247.58.86) |
| 22:11.27 | gpm | P4C0: the thing is, if it has dependencies, those need to be installed via dpkg too...and if those have dependencies....well, it can get messy quickly |
| 22:11.28 | midgetnat | hello .... |
| 22:11.32 | gpm | rissy: excellent |
| 22:11.34 | surgeon | midgetnat, hi |
| 22:11.35 | MetalWolf | hi. I just installed Debian 4.0 upgrading from Debian 3.1 and all of a sudden I can not ping part of my network from my server as i get "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted". The iptables rules are the same as they were under debian 3.1, has anything changed between 3.1 and 4 that might cause this? |
| 22:11.40 | midgetnat | sup surgeon |
| 22:11.46 | *** join/#debian JiBEsH (n=jibesh@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 22:11.48 | rissy | god apt-cache is good |
| 22:11.52 | P4C0 | gpm, debian stable i assume... don't know i have ssh and that's all |
| 22:11.57 | abrotman | !version |
| 22:11.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 22:12.09 | gpm | P4C0: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:12.22 | midgetnat | hey ... I installed debian and everything seems that went fine..... now, when it told me that it was done and going to reboot it did but now it says Grub Loading error 18 |
| 22:12.23 | P4C0 | gpm, 4.0 |
| 22:12.26 | midgetnat | and it stays there |
| 22:12.34 | *** part/#debian alleyoopster (n=dan@d77-216-206-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 22:12.36 | gpm | P4C0: ok, that's debian stable. |
| 22:12.40 | midgetnat | how can i fix it? |
| 22:12.42 | *** join/#debian justin420 (n=justin@69.92.132.245) |
| 22:12.44 | gpm | !info postregesql |
| 22:13.01 | *** join/#debian doudou (n=doudou@207.18.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 22:13.01 | gpm | er |
| 22:13.09 | stew | P4C0: is it possible for you to get an upgraded version of whatever deb you are trying to use, that would have a correct Depends: in the control file? |
| 22:13.16 | stew | gpm: see above, i already asked |
| 22:13.32 | midgetnat | hey stew.... |
| 22:13.33 | P4C0 | gpm, so I asume that the postgres that comes with debian stable (sarge?) was not good for whatever they where doing so they get the 8.1 from other repo... and now everything is going mad |
| 22:13.37 | midgetnat | i downloaded the latest debian |
| 22:13.39 | midgetnat | installed it |
| 22:13.45 | midgetnat | but now it gives me a grub error |
| 22:13.46 | gpm | stew: thanks |
| 22:13.48 | midgetnat | error 18 |
| 22:13.48 | stew | P4C0: wait, what other repo? |
| 22:13.57 | doudou | where should i go, if i have a question like how logrotate works? |
| 22:14.09 | abrotman | here .. or the documentation |
| 22:14.11 | P4C0 | stew, other repo? not sure... can you get postgresql 8.1 from stable repo? |
| 22:14.17 | abrotman | !info postgresql-8.1 etch |
| 22:14.21 | gpm | doudou: you might want to check out /usr/share/doc/logrotate |
| 22:14.25 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 4268 kB, Installed size: 12505 kB |
| 22:14.33 | *** join/#debian dezent (i=dezent@unixgeek.biz) |
| 22:14.40 | gpm | yes |
| 22:14.41 | stew | P4C0: yes see above ^^ |
| 22:14.45 | dutchfish | P4C0, what does dpkg --info postgre(your version) tells you? |
| 22:14.50 | doudou | i tryed to read sources ut it is very heavy code for something that seems to me simple in principle |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | and that still doesn't answer "What other repo?" |
| 22:15.02 | gpm | abrotman: he doesn't know |
| 22:15.07 | Enverex | Does anyone here happen to have a package for UADE? |
| 22:15.19 | P4C0 | stew, well, a dependency of postgresql >= 7.1 looks good for me... since 8.1 is in fact > than 7.1... |
| 22:15.29 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 22:15.42 | abrotman | gpm: he has a sources.list |
| 22:15.52 | dezent | is there anyone here that managed to get etch running on a sun ultra 10 ? i got the system install after removing the creator card.. i dont even get to the silo prompt |
| 22:15.53 | *** join/#debian argonel (i=beezle@konversation/developer/argonel) |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 22:15.59 | dpkg | i guess sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 22:16.04 | midgetnat | hello? |
| 22:16.08 | gpm | abrotman: which may or may not be where this deb came from...given how things are going |
| 22:16.09 | abrotman | i think that #debian-sparc is on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:16.19 | gpm | you mean irc.debian.org |
| 22:16.21 | abrotman | midgetnat: did you try google ? |
| 22:16.22 | gpm | :-P |
| 22:16.24 | abrotman | gpm: i meant what i said |
| 22:16.25 | P4C0 | abrotman, sorry? |
| 22:16.33 | gpm | abrotman: i'm just joshin' |
| 22:16.33 | *** join/#debian helfrez (n=helfrez@166-82-112-51.quickclick.ctc.net) |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | P4C0: que? |
| 22:16.49 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (i=net-404@84.32.74.241) |
| 22:16.52 | dezent | abrotman: thansk ! |
| 22:16.55 | midgetnat | yeah and nothing |
| 22:16.55 | dezent | thanks |
| 22:16.56 | stew | P4C0: postgresql-8.1 is a different package name than postgresql so they are not treated the same by dpkg, and this is on purpose, there were binary incompatibilities between the two |
| 22:17.25 | abrotman | midgetnat: first hit .. http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 22:18.04 | P4C0 | stew, that's what I though but as far as I know there's not possible to create a package with a dependency like postgresql>=7.1 or postgresql-8-1 ? |
| 22:18.10 | *** part/#debian blaamann (n=rune@124.85-200-35.bkkb.no) |
| 22:18.12 | stew | P4C0: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 postgresql postgresql-8.1" |
| 22:18.41 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 22:18.42 | stew | P4C0: its possible, its done all over the place, it would be: Depends: postgresql (>=7.1) | postgresql-8.1 |
| 22:18.43 | *** join/#debian jnsears (n=jnsears@user-387gq4l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:18.53 | doudou | did not find in /usr/share/doc/logrotate my answer |
| 22:19.08 | P4C0 | stew, yes: http://rafb.net/p/sqOEEP77.html |
| 22:19.28 | P4C0 | stew, didn't know that ;) thanks |
| 22:19.37 | midgetnat | thx |
| 22:19.43 | midgetnat | but its not saying how to fix it |
| 22:19.57 | stew | P4C0: that all looks kosher |
| 22:20.00 | P4C0 | stew, will try to contact the authors of the package to see if they can include the | postgresql-8.1 ... but then, what if there's a postgresql-8.2 package? |
| 22:20.13 | doudou | my answer how logrotate change files without loosing data? |
| 22:20.33 | P4C0 | doudou, I think it uses locking |
| 22:20.36 | stew | P4C0: then you'd need a new version of their package |
| 22:21.07 | kastberg | doudou: I'd guess it truncates file and writes contents in the .x file |
| 22:21.12 | doudou | lock the file, copy it, empty it, unlock ? |
| 22:21.34 | stew | P4C0: (if you need to upgrade to postgresql 8.2 which won't happen during etch) |
| 22:22.13 | P4C0 | stew, just a question dont worry |
| 22:22.15 | doudou | how to truncate and keep what you truncate to save it? |
| 22:22.32 | doudou | or how to lock files? |
| 22:23.00 | *** join/#debian busfahrer (n=busfahre@p57b5552e.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:23.01 | stew | P4C0: however from 8.1->8.2, you need to compile your appliction against different libraries, so you really are going to need a new package in that case |
| 22:23.06 | *** join/#debian zen (n=null@unaffiliated/zen) |
| 22:23.32 | *** join/#debian coolzone (n=coolzone@85.233.230.106) |
| 22:24.10 | *** join/#debian markit (n=konversa@host119-245-static.72-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:24.11 | markit | hi, any idea why apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install me libc6-amd64 even if I've a 32bit K7? |
| 22:24.14 | markit | (debian sid) |
| 22:24.46 | doudou | ok for locking, but if someone try to write in a locked file, what happens? data is lost? |
| 22:26.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 797] by debhelper |
| 22:26.11 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=tscheek@p5092314d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:26.54 | *** join/#debian ratshell (n=ratshell@74-128-162-171.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 22:27.09 | ratshell | Hey I am running Debian Base System on a old laptop. What is the command to share a folder on it? |
| 22:27.09 | *** join/#debian adamant1988 (n=chatzill@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) |
| 22:27.41 | *** part/#debian markit (n=konversa@host119-245-static.72-81-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:27.41 | *** join/#debian sabath (n=markus@p57A5CBAF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:27.44 | *** part/#debian blank_ (n=blank_@34-203.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 22:27.52 | *** part/#debian kastberg (n=kastberg@213.134.110.249) |
| 22:28.00 | *** join/#debian Madd_Matt (i=matt@pucdsl-340.puc.net) |
| 22:28.08 | deadcat | ratshell: ask at the debian based channel |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | ratshell: which OS is it ? |
| 22:28.34 | ratshell | Debian |
| 22:28.45 | ratshell | Sarge |
| 22:28.50 | deadcat | ah. i thought you type debian baseD |
| 22:28.51 | abrotman | you want to share with windows boxes ? |
| 22:29.00 | obsethryl | use samba |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | he didn't say it was windows .. yet :) |
| 22:29.23 | obsethryl | well, the alternative would be easier, wouldn't it :P |
| 22:29.25 | *** join/#debian cyzie (n=cyzie@245.192.48.60.klj02-home.tm.net.my) |
| 22:29.33 | sabath | How can I use labels instead of partitions (/dev/sda1) with grub menu.lst? |
| 22:29.44 | ratshell | Okay lets me explain again specifics |
| 22:30.06 | ratshell | I have DEBIAN ON A LAPTOP, UBUNTU ON DESKTOP. What is the command in debian to share a folder so my Ubuntu Machine can see it? |
| 22:30.38 | deadcat | ratshell: setup nfs |
| 22:30.49 | *** join/#debian MetalWolf (n=MetalWol@horne1.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:31.21 | ratshell | debian:/home/ratshell# setup nfs |
| 22:31.21 | ratshell | bash: setup: command not found |
| 22:31.21 | ratshell | debian:/home/ratshell# apt-get install nfs |
| 22:31.21 | ratshell | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 22:31.21 | ratshell | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 22:31.22 | *** kick/#debian [ratshell!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 22:31.24 | *** join/#debian ratshell (n=ratshell@74-128-162-171.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 22:31.27 | ratshell | sorry bout that |
| 22:31.30 | deadcat | player got played |
| 22:31.34 | maxamillion | obsethryl: net install ftw ;) |
| 22:31.44 | deadcat | ratshell: apt-cache search nfs |
| 22:31.46 | obsethryl | maxamillion: yeah i know but i so wanted to have the DVDs :) |
| 22:32.00 | MetalWolf | hi. Is anyone seeing funny issues under debian 4.0 with routing and sharing an internet connection? I am using the same ip addresses on the same interfaces as i used to use with debian 3.1 with the same ip tables and now I can't ping out onto 1 of my interfaces. if I restart my iptables config then I can ping. Any suggestions? |
| 22:32.05 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 22:32.26 | doudou | that is limitation of this system, i ask very simple principle question, i found logrotate.c read it and i am not able to aswer to what it is doing, so imagine for libs |
| 22:32.27 | maxamillion | obsethryl: fair enough ... i don't have a dvd burner :( |
| 22:32.27 | cgrp | join #beryl |
| 22:32.31 | cgrp | oops |
| 22:32.41 | deadcat | ratshell: the machine thats doing the sharing nfs-kernel-server, the machine thats the client nfs-common |
| 22:32.43 | maxamillion | cgrp: missing a / are we? :) |
| 22:32.46 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 22:32.46 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 22:32.57 | thingfish | cgrp: dpkg knows about beryl, fwiw |
| 22:33.11 | stew | doudou: what are you trying to do or figure out? |
| 22:33.42 | obsethryl | i am eager to try this new release, perhaps i debianize the system here, the route was fc6 - > centos5 test -> debian4 test(?) |
| 22:33.48 | ratshell | okay I installed the nfs-kernel on the debian machine, and nfs-common on ubuntu. NOW WHAT? |
| 22:34.09 | obsethryl | more like i want the thoroughly checked and abysmal quantity of deb packages :) |
| 22:34.27 | *** join/#debian s2 (n=Savar@e178213253.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:34.29 | deadcat | ratshell: edit /etc/exports on the server machine.. |
| 22:34.40 | *** join/#debian xerios (n=yzrider0@c-76-97-45-182.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 22:34.40 | ratshell | specifics please |
| 22:34.42 | doudou | stew, what is principle of logrotate |
| 22:34.44 | MetalWolf | I have tried reversing the rules applied on my two internal interfaces and this does not solve my problem. I have checked and both interfaces are getting correctly assigned Ip addresses and netmasks and I have what appears to be appropriate information for each interface in route -n |
| 22:34.51 | xerios | i just installed etch, is there any reason to upgrade from Linux 2.4.27-2-386 i686 |
| 22:34.58 | deadcat | ratshell: man 5 exports |
| 22:35.03 | *** join/#debian DavidProck1981 (i=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 22:35.10 | xerios | everything seems to be running normally, is that ok to run 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:35.10 | deadcat | ratshell: or search nfs howto online |
| 22:35.25 | stew | doudou: to periodically rename current logs to archive names which are kept for a period of time then deleted |
| 22:35.33 | DavidProck1981 | ok im in a odd situation |
| 22:35.34 | deadcat | xerios: if everything works. then leave it |
| 22:35.39 | xerios | k |
| 22:36.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 790] by debhelper |
| 22:36.05 | DavidProck1981 | and had to go back to using nv instaed of nvidia |
| 22:36.06 | xerios | that's usually the case with all my software, just checking to make sure it doesn't have some massive kernel bug that's been found :P |
| 22:36.22 | Enverex | Hmm, I'm trying to install a .deb package that wants to install lots of other packages, but it says one is missing and wont do any of them, can't I tell it to ignore that one? |
| 22:36.34 | doudou | stew, rename is not enought, because process writing in it wont understand if you rename it and data will be lost |
| 22:36.44 | deadcat | Enverex: cant. it depends on it for a reason |
| 22:37.16 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex whar ever package it say is missing do a search for it with aptitude |
| 22:37.21 | doudou | stew, fdsave = open(saveLog, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_TRUNC,sb->st_mode); found this line in logrotate.c pbly importatnt |
| 22:37.21 | Enverex | deadcat, Well it's a dev file depending on another dev file, I doubt it would truely "need" it |
| 22:37.37 | stew | doudou: a process writing to a file that gets renamed will continue writing to the same file (and not notice it got renamed). you will notice that logrotate will restart running processes after rotating the logs so that a new process is started and starts writing to a new log |
| 22:37.47 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex, What package does it say it is missing |
| 22:38.13 | Enverex | I want to install UADE, but there's no package for it, so I'm trying to compile the source but the source says audacious isn't installed (which it is, as is the -dev version) so I'm getting annoyed, heh |
| 22:38.25 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Depends: libartsc0-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 22:38.37 | *** join/#debian ryanium (n=ryan@74-141-65-102.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 22:38.47 | DavidProck1981 | give me a moment |
| 22:38.53 | stew | doudou: follow? |
| 22:39.04 | doudou | stew, ok you rename it? procces continue to write in renamed file? |
| 22:39.13 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Thing is I'm not sure if it's even gonna solve the issue if i Install it |
| 22:39.21 | Enverex | I'm wondering if this is another 64bit related issue |
| 22:39.29 | Enverex | Which everyone kept assuring me before didn't exist >.< |
| 22:39.32 | doudou | stew, or process create a new file? |
| 22:40.04 | DavidProck1981 | i did aptitude search libartsc0-dev and i get |
| 22:40.16 | *** join/#debian PeteBoyd (n=p@host86-146-83-79.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:40.24 | DavidProck1981 | i A libartsc0-dev - development files for the aRts sound system C |
| 22:40.41 | DavidProck1981 | do u use aptitude |
| 22:40.47 | DavidProck1981 | or apt-get |
| 22:40.55 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, I'm using Synaptic at the moment |
| 22:41.03 | stew | doudou: continue writing to the renamed file |
| 22:41.16 | stew | doudou: yes, you can test, open 3 xterms, in xterm A "cat >> /temp/aaa" ; in xterm B run "tail -f /tmp/aaa" ; then when you type a line and hit enter in xterm A, the line shows up in xterm B. now in xterm C, mv /tmp/aaa /tmp/bbb ; then xterm A and B still have the same behavior. |
| 22:41.53 | stew | doudou: then hit ctrl-c in xterm B, and start "tail -f /tmp/bbb" and type a new line into A, you will see that xterm A is now writing to /tmp/bbb instead |
| 22:42.01 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex well open a shell and as root type "aptitude update" then "aptitude install libartsc0-dev" |
| 22:42.11 | PeteBoyd | where is gnome-bluetooth for Debian (gnome-bluetooth-manager, gnome-obex-server and gnome-obex-send)? |
| 22:42.56 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Ah, found out why it wouldn't do it, it needs to downgrade system packages, not a good idea :/ |
| 22:43.15 | DavidProck1981 | r u useing etch |
| 22:43.18 | doudou | stew, ok, file descriptor is kept even if you change name, but when will you trunc file? |
| 22:43.28 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Sid |
| 22:43.53 | stew | doudou: when the file is closed. this is why logrotate restarts a daemon after rotating its log, to make it open another |
| 22:44.17 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, I have a feeling UADE isn't picking up Audacious because it's 64bit and it wants a 32bit version |
| 22:44.17 | PeteBoyd | Ubuntu has gnome-bluetooth, why don't we? |
| 22:44.26 | *** join/#debian Naoy (n=Oo@88-139-71-23.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 22:44.28 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex well take a look at what it is wanting to downgrade and see if it is worth it |
| 22:44.37 | deadcat | PeteBoyd: commandline? |
| 22:44.51 | stew | PeteBoyd: bluez-gnome |
| 22:44.58 | doudou | stew, not clear, if you close file, all process writing into it will stop logging |
| 22:45.03 | deadcat | ah. diff name |
| 22:45.37 | PeteBoyd | deadcat: if I wanted to use the CLI, I wouldn't be asking about GNOME. I can do it fine on the command-line, I'd just like a more convenient UI |
| 22:45.51 | doudou | stew, seems, you copy file, and then trunc it |
| 22:46.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 782] by debhelper |
| 22:46.02 | PeteBoyd | stew: thats something entirely different from what I can tell |
| 22:46.06 | stew | doudou: no, a process writing to a file will keep writing to the same file until it closes it. it doesn't know anything about the name of the file, changing its name or even deleting it doesn't affect the process writing to it until it closes the file and tries to open it again |
| 22:46.20 | stew | PeteBoyd: what program or applet are you looking for? |
| 22:46.26 | *** join/#debian obsethryl (n=opus@unaffiliated/obsethryl) |
| 22:46.42 | stew | doudou: afaik, logrotate doesn't copy files |
| 22:46.43 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex, also consider it is sid that u r working with |
| 22:46.53 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, I'm aware of that, heh. |
| 22:47.14 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, I just wish there was a package of what I wanted, I've found a .deb of it for Ubuntu but it's 32bit |
| 22:47.14 | PeteBoyd | gnome-bluetooth (which incorporates gnome-bluetooth-manager, gnome-obex-server and gnome-obex-send), allowing to send and receive files and configure devices. bluez-gnome is a PIN helper |
| 22:47.34 | PeteBoyd | stew: gnome-bluetooth (which incorporates gnome-bluetooth-manager, gnome-obex-server and gnome-obex-send), allowing to send and receive files and configure devices. bluez-gnome is a PIN helper |
| 22:47.54 | P4C0 | what's the name of the interactive database system some packages have? (the menus that ask questions?) |
| 22:48.15 | DavidProck1981 | Enverex, did tring it in the console let u know more than what u was using to install it |
| 22:48.26 | doudou | stew, so many process write into the log file, logrotate rename it and save renamed file, but it must empty the first one too |
| 22:48.50 | PeteBoyd | P4C0: debconf / dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:48.50 | *** join/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@203-044-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 22:48.57 | stew | PeteBoyd: use apt-file or pdo to find them: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg pdo ; if they really aren't in debian, check wnpp and consider filing an RFP if neither an RFP or ITP doesn't exist yet (/msg dpkg wnpp ; /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg itp) |
| 22:49.01 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Not really, heh, trying that arts package alone did |
| 22:49.16 | Enverex | DavidProck1981, Aaaand still doesn't work with those installed so I assume it wants 32bit Audacious :( |
| 22:49.18 | stew | doudou: save? what do you mean by save? it just renames the file |
| 22:49.21 | deadcat | PeteBoyd: i cant read your mind |
| 22:49.22 | *** join/#debian wednrosso (n=jiro@adsl-ull-252-162.44-151.net24.it) |
| 22:49.29 | P4C0 | PeteBoyd, what I want is to clean it |
| 22:50.03 | P4C0 | PeteBoyd, or better yet, how can I see it? (i already purge the package but I'm almost sure it's still there) |
| 22:50.17 | PeteBoyd | stew: I've used the tools and know its not in. I can file an RFP or ITP but would have thought people were well aware of this major GNOME functionality missing. will do anyway |
| 22:50.39 | P4C0 | PeteBoyd, since when I install it again it doesn't ask the questions... |
| 22:50.42 | PeteBoyd | deadcat: fair enough |
| 22:50.45 | *** join/#debian cableroy (n=cableroy@noc.mtulink.no) |
| 22:50.46 | DavidProck1981 | well can some one help me with my nvidia card, i know im so close to getting it finished, i dont think i have any more to download, cause i had it working perfictly, but when i restart the xserver would not start? |
| 22:51.10 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:51.14 | stew | PeteBoyd: well who knows, sometimes just having a new RFP pop up on the -wnpp mailing list is enough to motivate someone to package and upload |
| 22:51.35 | stew | PeteBoyd: we can help you recompile the ubuntu debs for your system if that is what you are interested in, as well |
| 22:51.54 | PeteBoyd | P4C0: try purging it. you can use dpkg-reconfigure <package name> to re-configure it, using '-p <level of questioning>' to change the depth of questions asked |
| 22:52.33 | PeteBoyd | stew: thanks, I'll try that. as for the Ubuntu compilation, I might come back for a bit of that, thanks |
| 22:52.35 | stew | doudou: nothing gets emptied or saved. if logrotate has e files, log, log.1 log.2, it does this: rm log.2 ; mv log.1 log.2 ; mv log log.1 ; restart application (which makes it open a new log) |
| 22:52.42 | jazbo2185 | Good god #linux is terrible. Definite plus for using debian is #debian. |
| 22:52.54 | P4C0 | PeteBoyd, if after the purge (debpkg --purge packagename), debconf-show packagename doesn't show anything it means it's was deleted right? |
| 22:53.11 | P4C0 | s/it's/it |
| 22:53.35 | chemaja | jazbo2185, loud and clear |
| 22:54.15 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha i just used http://paste.debian.net/index.php but when i hit upload it did not give me a link |
| 22:54.18 | PeteBoyd | P4C0: I don;t know those tools, so I don't know. I use aptitude. |
| 22:54.25 | DavidProck1981 | what is a working pastebin |
| 22:54.30 | P4C0 | PeteBoyd, thanks |
| 22:54.45 | DavidProck1981 | well let me tri a different browser |
| 22:54.47 | Vasistha | !pastebins |
| 22:54.57 | DavidProck1981 | !pastebin |
| 22:54.58 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 22:56.29 | doudou | i did 3 xtem, cat "helo" >> log1 ; tail -f log1 ; mv log1 log2 ; then term2 get all helo until i mv log1 to log2 from xtem3, and term 2 continue to get from term1 if i send "echo" >> log2 |
| 22:56.30 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=greece@freenode/staff/about.linux.philkc) |
| 22:56.39 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha http://paste.debian.net/26052 |
| 22:57.02 | DavidProck1981 | i was hiting upload instead of send LOL |
| 22:57.09 | *** part/#debian PeteBoyd (n=p@host86-146-83-79.range86-146.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:57.12 | DavidProck1981 | upload if for a file |
| 22:57.15 | *** part/#debian jazbo2185 (i=jhamlin@71-81-91-100.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 22:57.40 | doudou | stew, i understood your last explanation, i will try with my xterms |
| 22:58.29 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: well, clearly the error is on line 680, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 22:58.48 | *** join/#debian peerless (n=peerless@220-245-89-123.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:59.13 | DavidProck1981 | but at one point it was working perfictly, what do i need to do? |
| 22:59.48 | DavidProck1981 | ive been working with the same driver |
| 23:00.21 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I dunno. did you take note of your configuration when it was working/ |
| 23:00.28 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 23:00.43 | DavidProck1981 | and i copy the file back and it dont work |
| 23:00.51 | Vasistha | *doesn't |
| 23:00.59 | DavidProck1981 | sorry |
| 23:01.12 | DavidProck1981 | my grammer is bad |
| 23:01.31 | Vasistha | and you're american, too! You ought to know better ;-) |
| 23:01.45 | *** join/#debian jrollins (n=Metaltro@66-233-228-40.red.clearwire-dns.net) |
| 23:01.57 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: do you have any idea what you might have changed? |
| 23:02.12 | doudou | stew, but syslogd and klogd does not knows that logrotate is here |
| 23:02.30 | DavidProck1981 | well here is some of the order is which things happend......... |
| 23:02.48 | doudou | stew, seems logrotate only do mv log log1 and echo "" > LOG |
| 23:03.03 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@66-169-213-130.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 23:03.05 | doudou | stew, seems logrotate only do mv log log1 and touch log |
| 23:03.31 | DavidProck1981 | restart as normal and the server would not load bo i reboot with the option that will not start the gui and....... |
| 23:03.53 | markybob | stop that. it's getting annoying now |
| 23:03.54 | markybob | !enter |
| 23:03.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:04.06 | black_13 | how do i install the ati chipset drivers installed for my ati radeon 9000 card? |
| 23:04.44 | *** join/#debian Thuryn (n=thuryn@68.119.96.39) |
| 23:04.47 | karsten | black_13: man modprobe |
| 23:04.57 | markybob | black_13: /msg dpkg ait |
| 23:05.20 | black_13 | ait or ati? |
| 23:05.25 | markybob | ati |
| 23:06.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 776] by debhelper |
| 23:06.50 | *** join/#debian jonathansizz (n=ian@216.16.222.80) |
| 23:07.01 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha, i played around with module-assistant and the installer from the nvidia web sight and also used nvidia-xconfig and tri to start gdm and it would not so then i ran nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals and then pkill gdm and then gdm did start and i was at the desktop with the card working like a god, and on the next restart it would not work |
| 23:07.02 | black_13 | is ati part of the kernel or dri driver? |
| 23:08.03 | *** join/#debian midgetnat (n=asdf@201.247.58.86) |
| 23:08.25 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: have you tried doing what you did, again? |
| 23:08.26 | *** join/#debian kallepersson (n=kalleper@h204n1fls34o952.telia.com) |
| 23:08.27 | DavidProck1981 | black_13, i feal sorry for u, fglrx is the name of the driver u will be useing |
| 23:08.33 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 23:08.39 | DavidProck1981 | and it did nto work |
| 23:08.41 | *** part/#debian kallepersson (n=kalleper@h204n1fls34o952.telia.com) |
| 23:08.59 | midgetnat | Hello... I already read everything i read in google... I am getting Grub Error 18... how can i fix it by installing lilo instead of grub without having to install the whole debian once again |
| 23:09.20 | midgetnat | it is happening because the bios is not detecting the 40gb on my hd and its saying it has 8 |
| 23:09.25 | doudou | stew, i opened a file with python in a term, write in it, mv it with another xterm, write again from python, then read from first term, all was writen in file moved |
| 23:10.03 | doudou | stew, so if logrotate mv log log1 , process will continue writing into log1, this principle does not work |
| 23:10.11 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, yeah i know nvidia is better |
| 23:10.13 | busfahrer | How do you get apt-get to do parallel fetching? |
| 23:10.25 | doudou | stew, you must trucate file |
| 23:10.32 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=inflamma@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) |
| 23:10.49 | Vasistha | black_13: well, matrox is better still, if you want a card from a company that actually supports linux properly |
| 23:10.50 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:11.07 | midgetnat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.13 | stew | doudou: yes, this is why logrotate restarts the daemons after rotating the logs, so they open a new logfile |
| 23:11.30 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p5481ED5F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:11.49 | *** part/#debian dvs (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:11.53 | midgetnat | it is happening because the bios is detecting that my hd is 8gb when its 40gb... im not able to update the bios so is it possible to install lilo instead of grub with the rescue option in debian? |
| 23:11.54 | *** join/#debian dvs_ (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:11.57 | Muisje | How do i remove a gui? |
| 23:12.01 | stew | doudou: logrotate doesn't rotate syslogkd's logs |
| 23:12.03 | DavidProck1981 | midgetnat have u checked the cables and jumper setting to make sure it is set according to the drive order, and make sure the jumper is not restricting the size of the drive |
| 23:12.05 | *** part/#debian dvs_ (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:12.09 | stew | doudou: and logrotate doesn't do "touch" |
| 23:12.09 | midgetnat | yes |
| 23:12.10 | doudou | stew, no wont have any effect on log daemons who still write in the file they used |
| 23:12.14 | Muisje | i accidently installed a gui on my server and it's monitor can't handle that |
| 23:12.22 | midgetnat | david yes.... actually it is the only hd and its set as the master |
| 23:12.25 | *** join/#debian GhostlyDeath_ (n=steven@ool-44c59749.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:12.31 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, i have to develop for this board http://www.quixant.co.uk/hardware.php |
| 23:12.38 | doudou | stew, excuse me |
| 23:12.40 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:12.41 | stew | doudou: can you give me an exammple? |
| 23:12.51 | doudou | stew, i did not read well what you where saying |
| 23:13.06 | DavidProck1981 | black_13 what do u mean develop |
| 23:13.11 | midgetnat | davidprock1981, as i said, the error 18 is happening because the bios is detecting that my hd is 8gb when its 40gb.... what i need to know are some instructions to install lilo instead of grub |
| 23:13.18 | midgetnat | with the rescue option of the debian cd |
| 23:13.49 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, i work for a company that builds slotmachines and this is the motherboard we use for out slots |
| 23:13.51 | midgetnat | because im not able to upgrade the bios on that computer.. it is not mine so if i screw it ill have to pay for it. |
| 23:13.53 | doudou | stew,ok i catch your idea, restart deamons, but no loging while they are restarted ? |
| 23:14.02 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=FlavorFl@190.75.219.246) |
| 23:14.34 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, i am currently writing a video slot software that will be used on this board |
| 23:14.40 | doudou | stew, better idea is copy log file, and trucate log file from the length of the copied file |
| 23:14.41 | Vasistha | midgetnat: I don't know that lilo's going to solve your problem there. If the bios is limiting you to the first 8GB, that's a bios issue, and it's most easily solved by having a boot partition in the first 8 GB |
| 23:14.56 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 23:15.03 | midgetnat | yeah.. but last time i tried with lilo instead of grub and it worked |
| 23:15.07 | midgetnat | on the same computer, same hd |
| 23:15.19 | midgetnat | but anyways.. how can i install grub in another partition? |
| 23:15.25 | midgetnat | with the rescue option in the cd |
| 23:15.45 | stew | doudou: if a daemon is restarting, what would be generating log messages? restarting a deamon is killing one and starting another, the old one writes to the old location, the new one writes to the new location |
| 23:15.47 | DavidProck1981 | midgetnat have u recently worked on the inside of the pc case |
| 23:15.47 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0,1 for instance.. hd0 would do mbr of first hd |
| 23:15.48 | *** join/#debian messiah (n=aFter-Ni@201.255.152.71) |
| 23:15.55 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:16.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 783] by debhelper |
| 23:16.04 | midgetnat | yes but when i open a shell with the rescue mode |
| 23:16.04 | Vasistha | midgetnat: well, if lilo worked before, that's sure a good reason to try it again! |
| 23:16.05 | jetscreamer | with the rescue option... |
| 23:16.09 | midgetnat | yes |
| 23:16.12 | midgetnat | but wait |
| 23:16.34 | messiah | I need some help with Samba and Debian someone can help me please? |
| 23:16.34 | *** join/#debian diego_cl (n=diego@pc-25-218-83-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 23:16.34 | midgetnat | with the rescue option it never finds grub |
| 23:16.35 | busfahrer | How do you get apt-get to do parallel fetching? |
| 23:16.35 | DavidProck1981 | then doubble check your cables |
| 23:16.35 | jetscreamer | you mean from the grubshell, or with the rescue option |
| 23:16.43 | midgetnat | yes but nothing happens when i call grub |
| 23:16.47 | midgetnat | with the rescue shell |
| 23:17.18 | DavidProck1981 | midgetnat was your "yes" to my question |
| 23:17.19 | jetscreamer | busfahrer: i asked once a while ago... doesn't happen is what i was told, unless the package is only on one source and you have >1 source ... |
| 23:17.20 | militant | mornin. wow. i think i'm awake now. jeez. didn't go to bed til 2 or 3pm :/ |
| 23:17.22 | militant | hi |
| 23:17.40 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, make sense? |
| 23:17.42 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: hit c when the cd boots and use the grubshell |
| 23:17.45 | *** join/#debian mike1_ (n=mike@ip-58-28-144-108.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 23:17.53 | midgetnat | let me try that |
| 23:17.59 | jetscreamer | oh wait |
| 23:18.06 | midgetnat | yes jet? |
| 23:18.08 | jetscreamer | does the install cd use grub, or syslinux |
| 23:18.13 | Vasistha | !tell messiah -about ask |
| 23:18.14 | midgetnat | grub |
| 23:18.18 | DavidProck1981 | black_13 i was not keeping up with what u say, |
| 23:18.19 | jetscreamer | hit c then |
| 23:18.27 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.33 | midgetnat | nothing happens |
| 23:18.34 | doudou | stew, restarting deamons take a while, it is not atomic , so no loging during this restarting, and i can figure how you synchonise restarting and moving |
| 23:18.36 | jetscreamer | esc i 'think' if it's a graphical grub |
| 23:18.39 | jetscreamer | then c |
| 23:19.08 | midgetnat | let me see |
| 23:19.38 | jetscreamer | i'd print out the grub manual if you don't have another box handy |
| 23:19.39 | doudou | stew, if all where python like programs, so many people will be able to understand and reread code |
| 23:19.52 | jetscreamer | or some of it |
| 23:19.56 | midgetnat | it says grub loading, please wait... error 18 |
| 23:19.57 | messiah | I have a problem with debian 2.6 is my kernel. I have a lan I ping one to other and work. I config the samba to share files and donsen't work, it dosen't appear the PC with debian |
| 23:20.00 | midgetnat | i press c and nothing happens |
| 23:20.11 | midgetnat | when the cd starts and i press c nothing happens as well |
| 23:20.33 | messiah | I only config the smb.conf I have to change something more? |
| 23:20.34 | diego_cl | hello everybody... hello everybody... |
| 23:20.49 | midgetnat | the only way i can get to a shell is start from the cd, select rescue mode and then open shell.... |
| 23:20.54 | midgetnat | but when i call grub it says it was not found |
| 23:21.03 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: i don't know, but are you sure the cd uses grub? |
| 23:21.15 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip68-7-164-142.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 23:21.15 | midgetnat | the cd installs grub |
| 23:21.26 | jetscreamer | no i mean the cd uses grub to boot |
| 23:21.30 | black_13 | DavidProck1981, awesome! |
| 23:21.32 | midgetnat | mmmmm no |
| 23:21.35 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:21.38 | jetscreamer | then c won't work |
| 23:21.45 | diego_cl | can somebody tell me how to boot directly to my debian-xfce desktop without logging-in ? |
| 23:21.50 | midgetnat | what should i try then hehe sorry about that jet |
| 23:21.59 | amphi | jetscreamer: doesn't it use syslinux to boot? |
| 23:22.03 | midgetnat | yeah |
| 23:22.05 | DavidProck1981 | black_13 what is awsome |
| 23:22.07 | midgetnat | i guess |
| 23:22.14 | midgetnat | it says press f1 for help, or enter to boot |
| 23:22.14 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: boot something, chroot in, mount /proc, rerun grub-install |
| 23:22.47 | midgetnat | if i press enter the installer loads up |
| 23:22.48 | *** join/#debian ShaLaptop (n=sha@AToulon-151-1-78-252.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:22.52 | stew | doudou: ahve your daemon accept a -HUP signal, and have them switch logs on -HUP |
| 23:22.54 | amphi | jetscreamer: er, isolinux |
| 23:23.01 | *** part/#debian ShaLaptop (n=sha@AToulon-151-1-78-252.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:23.06 | jetscreamer | amphi: yeah i thought it did, or that.. wasn't sure... |
| 23:23.23 | amphi | I just had a glance at the iso |
| 23:23.40 | doudou | stew, ok that is the way logrotate operates, |
| 23:23.58 | midgetnat | if i type grub it says: grub: not found |
| 23:24.29 | doudou | i got same problem with grub, it happens when it can find his files |
| 23:24.43 | DavidProck1981 | midgetnat, IF I WAS in your shoes i would take a live cd and tri to mount the drive and see if it is 8 or 40 gig, OR if u even have a partition |
| 23:24.45 | DavidProck1981 | BRBRBRB |
| 23:24.50 | *** join/#debian intelikey (n=root@dialup-4.89.251.159.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) |
| 23:24.52 | amphi | midgetnat: what about /usr/sbin/grub ? |
| 23:25.01 | midgetnat | DAVIDPROCK... I already installed the debian |
| 23:25.02 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: i usually wind up booting up something, chroot'ing in, mount /proc, rerun grub-install |
| 23:25.09 | jetscreamer | when i can't use a grub floppy |
| 23:25.11 | midgetnat | i know its a 40gb hd |
| 23:25.19 | midgetnat | let me see amphi |
| 23:25.20 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: grub floppies and/or cd's rock btw |
| 23:25.45 | mike1_ | net install |
| 23:25.49 | midgetnat | im getting sick of this shit |
| 23:25.53 | mike1_ | :) |
| 23:25.55 | midgetnat | man this thing sux |
| 23:25.58 | midgetnat | see ya guys |
| 23:26.05 | mike1_ | wait |
| 23:26.16 | midgetnat | ill try another distro then... it worked fine with ubuntu |
| 23:26.31 | doudou | i boot with a cd starting grub, tape command from grub and try to boot with kernel (hd0,2)/place to linux and initrd (hd0,2) place to initrd then initrd |
| 23:26.38 | jetscreamer | midgetnat: reinstalling is trivial |
| 23:26.38 | jetscreamer | but unmanly :) |
| 23:26.39 | mike1_ | (*_) |
| 23:26.43 | *** join/#debian MrWup (n=neil@80-46-38-124.static.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 23:27.04 | doudou | (hd0,2) means drive C partition 2 |
| 23:27.13 | dvs | DRIVE C?!? |
| 23:27.14 | jetscreamer | use the configfile directive |
| 23:27.16 | doudou | or something like that |
| 23:27.21 | jetscreamer | hdc |
| 23:27.28 | dvs | primary master for the rest of us. |
| 23:27.28 | jetscreamer | /dev/hdc |
| 23:27.33 | jetscreamer | ooh |
| 23:27.35 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 23:27.39 | jetscreamer | <--moron |
| 23:27.42 | doudou | for grub means first disk i beleaive |
| 23:27.45 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda |
| 23:27.46 | *** join/#debian nadim (n=nadim@216.18.0.60) |
| 23:27.50 | jetscreamer | hda3 |
| 23:27.53 | DocPlatypus | doudou: once you are in the Unix world there is no such thing as a "drive C" |
| 23:28.04 | doudou | grub does not see hdb and hdd |
| 23:28.08 | *** join/#debian dvst (i=dvst@190.75.114.76) |
| 23:28.15 | DocPlatypus | technically, what they call "drive C" is not even a drive but a filesystem |
| 23:28.22 | *** join/#debian Catachan (n=Catachan@74.255.97.141) |
| 23:28.25 | Muisje | i so hate |
| 23:28.27 | Muisje | GUI's |
| 23:28.43 | Muisje | i hate them |
| 23:28.52 | doudou | there are more drive c in real world than any other drives |
| 23:33.14 | amphi | Muisje: don't use 'em then |
| 23:33.26 | nadim | Hi - On occassion I run schroot to get back into sarge - is there a way to tell if I'm in a schroot ? Is there some ENV variable akin to SUDO_USER that I can key off of to modify my prompt, etc ? |
| 23:33.38 | Muisje | Hard to work without one amphi :) |
| 23:33.38 | nevyn | Muisje: depends what your work is. |
| 23:33.38 | Catachan | Muisje, why do you hate them? |
| 23:34.43 | Muisje | Because, they always cause problems :P |
| 23:34.44 | Catachan | okay. . . |
| 23:34.44 | mike1_ | not here |
| 23:34.45 | *** join/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 23:34.46 | messiah | I have a problem with debian 2.6 is my kernel. I have a lan I ping one to other and work. I config the samba to share files and dosen't work. The PC with debian appear from windows, but when I try to access says you don't have permiss to access to this computer, What can I change to access? |
| 23:34.46 | amphi | xterms work ok |
| 23:34.47 | Muisje | i took the bussiness card netinstall of debian |
| 23:34.47 | Muisje | and it "forced" me to use desktop enviroment |
| 23:34.47 | Muisje | my monitor couldn't handle it |
| 23:34.48 | Muisje | so i had to pick another monitor |
| 23:34.49 | Muisje | hook it up |
| 23:34.50 | amphi | the magic smoke came out? |
| 23:34.51 | Muisje | to get rid of the annoying gui |
| 23:34.51 | doudou | use tab completion with grub, it can see what is writen on partitions |
| 23:34.51 | Muisje | no amphi, i have 7" monitor |
| 23:34.51 | Muisje | it doesn't do 800x600 :P |
| 23:34.52 | nadim | OK, let me start over :-) anyone using schroot ? |
| 23:34.52 | amphi | Muisje: 640x480? |
| 23:34.52 | *** join/#debian GhostlyDeath (n=steven@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 23:34.53 | amphi | Muisje: gnome will be a joy ;) |
| 23:34.53 | Catachan | well, if this is a session of I hates, then I hate waiting for my computer to boot. How is that? do I win the prize? |
| 23:34.53 | dvs | !prize Catachan |
| 23:34.53 | amphi | Catachan: don't do it |
| 23:34.54 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha do you have a idea of what i can do to get my video card working again |
| 23:34.54 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: nope |
| 23:34.54 | Vasistha | what the |
| 23:34.54 | *** part/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 23:34.54 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff/bhaal) |
| 23:34.54 | doudou | i beleive that when you have found your system, you ca do root (hd0,1)/boot/grub/ (for example) and setup (hd0) but verify with google |
| 23:34.54 | amphi | Muisje: what work do you do on a 7" monitor? |
| 23:35.12 | DavidProck1981 | 7" monitor, HOLY LOL |
| 23:35.12 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 23:35.12 | GhostlyDeath | How do I enable packet bursting? |
| 23:35.13 | *** join/#debian st_moto (n=st_moto@217.219.49.38) |
| 23:35.18 | Muisje | amphi, it's just a backup monitor |
| 23:35.19 | Muisje | in case i can't ssh into the server |
| 23:35.33 | Catachan | dvs, thankyou, now then, I return to googling Debian's boot process to try and find a way to beat it without redoing the kernel |
| 23:35.36 | Catachan | ttfn |
| 23:35.54 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=dudeman@cpe-24-90-21-26.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 23:35.56 | stoned | hola |
| 23:36.03 | dvs | stoned: hey! |
| 23:36.06 | stoned | howdy |
| 23:36.10 | doudou | my explanations are a shame, but it worked for me, it happens when another install abort and misconfigure grub, thats a pity even debian can do this error co,figuring grub too early |
| 23:36.11 | dvs | stoned: where are you? |
| 23:36.17 | stoned | planet earth |
| 23:36.20 | stoned | nyc |
| 23:36.21 | dvs | .... |
| 23:36.38 | dvs | stoned: expensive eh? |
| 23:36.41 | *** join/#debian KRF (i=raptor@electrostorm.net) |
| 23:36.43 | stoned | its alright |
| 23:36.47 | *** part/#debian KRF (i=raptor@electrostorm.net) |
| 23:37.37 | stoned | I finally unpacked my computers |
| 23:37.45 | stoned | now I need a wireless router so I can connect all 4 machines |
| 23:37.56 | stoned | 2 months ago I accidentally wiped my ~/ |
| 23:38.03 | stoned | I just found a backup on an old HDD |
| 23:38.04 | mike1_ | stoned: ouch |
| 23:38.08 | dvs | stoned: Yeah, and they replaced my computer at work... with a Dell! Grrr! |
| 23:38.09 | stoned | life is ok again |
| 23:38.11 | DocPlatypus | ouch |
| 23:38.13 | DocPlatypus | indeed |
| 23:38.17 | mike1_ | go stoner |
| 23:38.29 | *** join/#debian Vluid (n=Vluid@dslb-084-063-029-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:38.38 | messiah | I have a problem with debian 2.6 is my kernel. I have a lan I ping one to other and work. I config the samba to share files and dosen't work. The PC with debian appear from windows, but when I try to access says you don't have permiss to access to this computer, What can I change to access? |
| 23:38.39 | stoned | well I didn't wipe ~/. it was ~/Documents |
| 23:38.59 | stoned | all my config files from /etc/ and .dot files from ~ are on gmail :) |
| 23:39.06 | amphi | Muisje: ah |
| 23:39.31 | stoned | messiah #samba |
| 23:39.38 | messiah | thanks very much |
| 23:39.38 | mike1_ | dvs yon not like dall? |
| 23:39.41 | mike1_ | dell |
| 23:39.43 | stoned | messiah I can probably help |
| 23:39.55 | mike1_ | I bet |
| 23:39.57 | stoned | messiah I don't quite understan exactly |
| 23:39.57 | mike1_ | hehe |
| 23:40.07 | dvs | mike1_: nope |
| 23:40.08 | stoned | messiah you are trying to access debian from windows and it works? |
| 23:40.08 | messiah | ok, so I explain again stoned |
| 23:40.12 | *** join/#debian nomasteryoda (n=nomaster@ip70-185-168-242.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 23:40.33 | messiah | no, I try to access to debian from windows and dosen't work |
| 23:40.40 | mike1_ | dvs I build my own |
| 23:40.41 | stoned | i see |
| 23:41.02 | stoned | messiah have you added your user by using smbpasswd -a usernamehere |
| 23:41.14 | Vasistha | messiah: have you restarted smbd and nmbd after setting up your shares in samba.conf ? |
| 23:41.39 | messiah | yes I restart after change my smb.conf |
| 23:41.52 | messiah | I didn't add a user becouse I put security=share |
| 23:41.53 | *** join/#debian m4ggus[etch] (n=marcus@p5485F0F9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:41.57 | *** join/#debian freezombie (i=someone@tuxhacker/free-zombie) |
| 23:42.11 | messiah | and encrypt passwords = no |
| 23:42.14 | stoned | i don't think share level security is a good idea |
| 23:42.24 | *** join/#debian jsubl2 (n=jsubl2@adsl-76-201-179-174.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:42.26 | stoned | but thats just me |
| 23:42.26 | messiah | I don't have this machine on Internet |
| 23:42.34 | stoned | ok then |
| 23:42.54 | stoned | you need to add a user regardless I think |
| 23:43.08 | stoned | I have only ever setup user level so I dunno |
| 23:43.16 | messiah | some weeks ago work, now I don't know what more change, becouse one pc make ping to the other so, that is no the problem |
| 23:43.33 | stoned | I don't think I can help you anymore |
| 23:43.40 | stoned | sorry |
| 23:43.41 | messiah | ok, thanks stoned |
| 23:43.51 | stoned | try in #samba though |
| 23:43.52 | Vasistha | messiah: I haven't done this for a couple years, but last I remember, I was never able to get security=share working; I had to add users with smbpasswd (which ended up being a pita) |
| 23:44.06 | stoned | Vasistha same here |
| 23:44.08 | stoned | :) |
| 23:44.14 | Catachan | out of curiosity, does anyone know off the top of their heads what sorts of things I might be able to do to get debian booting faster? |
| 23:44.24 | stoned | recompile your kernel |
| 23:44.29 | markybob | Catachan: initng |
| 23:44.33 | stoned | remove all drivers and modules you don't need |
| 23:44.36 | stoned | strip it down |
| 23:44.41 | Vasistha | Catachan: turn off some services |
| 23:44.54 | markybob | Catachan: http://www.initng.org/ |
| 23:44.55 | stoned | only keep what your hardware requires or whatever else you need |
| 23:44.56 | messiah | ohh ok, but If I want to add a user, from my Windows what user name I have to add? |
| 23:44.57 | DavidProck1981 | well im off to go fuck with my drivers |
| 23:45.10 | stoned | messiah just add the same user as on debian |
| 23:45.17 | *** join/#debian regis1 (n=regis@regis.no-ip.com) |
| 23:45.18 | Vasistha | Catachan: or as an easier step, blacklist modules. e.g. I've blacklisted floppy, cdrom, parport, and a number of other things that I just never use |
| 23:45.43 | stoned | usb? |
| 23:45.45 | stoned | :D |
| 23:45.55 | Catachan | blacklisted? like told the computer not to load them on boot? |
| 23:46.01 | messiah | But you said that have to appear a box asking me the user and passwd? |
| 23:46.02 | stoned | !blacklist |
| 23:46.03 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:46.38 | *** part/#debian DavidProck1981 (i=prock@cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 23:46.59 | stoned | messiah when in windows, you access debian, it will ask for user/pass in a box. in this box you have to type the user/pass of the user you added with smbpasswd |
| 23:47.53 | stoned | first you do security=user, then you smbpasswd -a messiah (or whatever), then restart samba, then try smbclient -L localhost |
| 23:48.01 | stoned | see if it lists the directory |
| 23:48.08 | stoned | if not, its not working and won't work from windows either |
| 23:48.29 | jetscreamer | wazzupstoned |
| 23:48.29 | stoned | if it works, it will be working in windows too |
| 23:48.33 | stoned | hey buddy |
| 23:48.40 | stoned | trying to clean my pee |
| 23:48.45 | dvs | ??? |
| 23:48.55 | stoned | soon as I find a good job I can probably toke again |
| 23:48.55 | dvs | stoned: jump in the Hudson! ;-) |
| 23:48.56 | jetscreamer | details i didn't need |
| 23:49.05 | stoned | no no |
| 23:49.08 | stoned | clean my system |
| 23:49.10 | messiah | ok |
| 23:49.10 | stoned | doh! |
| 23:49.20 | jetscreamer | stoned: golden seal root extract, 3 times a day. gnc and other stores |
| 23:49.29 | Enverex | Anyone else here dwelling on how much 64bit sucks? |
| 23:49.37 | *** part/#debian nadim (n=nadim@216.18.0.60) |
| 23:49.43 | Catachan | Enverex, you think it sux? |
| 23:49.44 | Catachan | why? |
| 23:49.46 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 23:49.47 | stoned | jetscreamer, friends clean urine in a hand sanitizer bottle taped under nuts with air activated heating pad |
| 23:49.51 | stoned | anyway... |
| 23:49.52 | *** join/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 23:49.53 | Muisje | OMG... why does apache legacy require apache2-utils trough aptitude omfg |
| 23:50.01 | stoned | Muisje yes... |
| 23:50.05 | jetscreamer | oh yeah we already had this conversation |
| 23:50.07 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 23:50.07 | stoned | 1.3 requires some apache2 packages |
| 23:50.09 | *** join/#debian ChakRa (i=UPP@69-89-110-70.dhcp-elns.acd.net) |
| 23:50.12 | Muisje | it's stupid lol |
| 23:50.17 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 23:50.25 | *** join/#debian pppoe_dude (n=pppoe_du@unaffiliated/blimpdude) |
| 23:50.26 | Enverex | Catachan, Audacious' UADE plugin wont install, Gens, ZSNES, Flash, "win32codecs".... |
| 23:50.45 | jetscreamer | i'd rather just do it via the safe and proven method |
| 23:50.53 | jetscreamer | but that's just me |
| 23:50.56 | Catachan | bummer |
| 23:50.57 | stoned | amd64 is fast, its good, but doesn't have much driver/software support for entertainment purposes |
| 23:51.02 | stoned | that doesn't make it suck |
| 23:51.33 | messiah | i set security = user and the same.. |
| 23:51.39 | *** join/#debian psykidellic (n=psykidel@dhcp80ff8cbe.dynamic.uiowa.edu) |
| 23:51.39 | stoned | messiah try #samba |
| 23:51.40 | messiah | don't ask me user /pass |
| 23:51.44 | stoned | they have samba experts there |
| 23:51.45 | messiah | ok thanks very much |
| 23:51.48 | stoned | np |
| 23:51.52 | Enverex | How is it "fast"? That's a myth. "omg it's twice as many bits, must be faaaaast" |
| 23:51.55 | *** join/#debian swa_mobil (n=swa@tuxhacker/swa) |
| 23:52.00 | Vasistha | messiah: oh, you might have to have the user/pass set up identically on your linux and windows boxes |
| 23:52.03 | stoned | you're a myth!! |
| 23:52.09 | stoned | tool. |
| 23:52.56 | stoned | Vasistha you do. |
| 23:52.57 | Enverex | ... |
| 23:53.03 | stoned | now that I remember |
| 23:53.23 | stoned | debian username should be same as windows username, password too I think |
| 23:53.30 | stoned | and add the same user/pass with smbpasswd |
| 23:53.37 | jetscreamer | Enverex: try seti |
| 23:53.41 | jetscreamer | number crunching |
| 23:53.47 | jetscreamer | faster is better |
| 23:53.56 | Vasistha | stoned: yeah, I remember that one took me a long time to figure out. I was pulling my hair out for a good while, until I realized that windows was never going to prompt me for a samba password; it was just going to assume the samba password should be the same as the login password. duh. |
| 23:53.56 | stoned | Enverex you obviously don't know what you're talking about. thus... tool. |
| 23:54.00 | stoned | I love tool, great band |
| 23:54.07 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Sure, for encryption and such aswell, but not for normal every-day functionality |
| 23:54.20 | Enverex | stoned, And you're obviously a complete cunt, but I don't keep saying it do I. |
| 23:54.22 | jetscreamer | Enverex: depends on your everyday then :) |
| 23:54.43 | stoned | If I was one, I'd never stop playing with myself |
| 23:54.44 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:54.54 | jetscreamer | stoned: you had a sex change and didn't tell me? |
| 23:54.54 | stoned | hell I wouldn't even have time for IRC if I were one |
| 23:55.02 | Vasistha | Enverex: depends what your everyday tasks are. You probably wouldn't be doing many of your everyday tasks today with as much ease and fanciness if you only had 16 or 8 bits ;-) |
| 23:55.15 | dvs | jetscreamer: anything to get out of marriage! ;-) |
| 23:55.18 | stoned | Vasistha no man, let him think what he wants |
| 23:55.33 | Enverex | Vasistha, Those were big jumps, 32 to 64 just seems to breed incompatabilities and little improvement |
| 23:55.35 | stoned | its cooler to let morons think moronically than to correct them.. it is more entertaining |
| 23:55.51 | Enverex | stoned, Why don't you just shut up, seriously... |
| 23:55.55 | jetscreamer | the jumps are all the same |
| 23:56.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 23:56.02 | jetscreamer | 8x2= |
| 23:56.08 | jetscreamer | 16x2= |
| 23:56.09 | stoned | we're actually explaining this to him |
| 23:56.11 | Vasistha | Enverex: that's because it's still early. Same would have been true 3 years after the first 32 bit boxes were made, but now it is the standard |
| 23:56.16 | stoned | someone tell him to fucking google it |
| 23:56.18 | stoned | pleaae |
| 23:56.27 | jetscreamer | note the 32bit extensions for wfw |
| 23:56.41 | jetscreamer | took a while |
| 23:56.44 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.79.96) |
| 23:56.53 | Enverex | stoned, No, THEY are explaining it, you're just throwing out insults |
| 23:56.58 | jetscreamer | from wfw16bit to 32but native |
| 23:57.03 | jetscreamer | 32bit |
| 23:57.06 | Enverex | jetscreamer, True, but 64bit isn't exactly new... |
| 23:57.09 | RichiH | what is the difference between ingerman and wngerman? |
| 23:57.11 | stoned | why do you feel insulted by some online stoner? |
| 23:57.25 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-74-106.net.novis.pt) |
| 23:57.26 | *** join/#debian Xires (n=Xires@66-189-224-196.dhcp.wrbg.mo.charter.com) |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | c'mon man.. grow a sack will ya |
| 23:57.35 | stoned | im done. |
| 23:57.38 | *** join/#debian edwin_quijada (n=m@2.116.88.200.m.sta.verizon.net.do) |
| 23:57.40 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 23:57.52 | Enverex | stoned, I doubt you are even a "stone". Just some 8 year old angsty goth that gets picked on at school and pretends he'd getting high off paint or something |
| 23:57.56 | *** join/#debian lapland (n=m@ANice-151-1-51-140.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:57.58 | Enverex | *stoner |
| 23:58.08 | jetscreamer | one is mispelled, RichiH ? no idea what a wn german might be |
| 23:58.09 | stoned | whatever helps you sleep at night bro :) |
| 23:58.24 | Enverex | Doesn't this channel have any ops? |
| 23:58.24 | *** join/#debian rourke (i=seb@88-136-65-106.adslgp.cegetel.net) |
| 23:58.27 | stew | Enverex: stoned: take it elsewhere |
| 23:58.28 | jetscreamer | real men drink sterno |
| 23:58.44 | *** join/#debian jazbo2185 (i=jhamlin@71-81-91-100.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 23:58.48 | edwin_quijada | How can I change my languaje kb in console mode without X |
| 23:58.50 | jetscreamer | just put each other on ignore |
| 23:59.26 | Enverex | stew, It's not like I started this |
| 23:59.27 | stoned | real men drink "debcola".. the official drink of the official debianite |
| 23:59.27 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:59.27 | cafuego | Oooh, "he started!" |
| 23:59.27 | stew | Enverex: i don't really care, please stop |
| 23:59.27 | Vasistha | stoned: what about google gulp? |
| 23:59.27 | jazbo2185 | hey folks, just upgraded to etch and when I start kde my taskbar disappears within a few seconds. How can I get it back?? |
| 23:59.27 | stoned | sure why not Vasistha :) |
| 23:59.34 | stoned | jazbo2185 alt+f2 and type kicker |
| 23:59.36 | jetscreamer | jazbo2185: did you dist-upgrade? |
| 23:59.42 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE0017f2e2a3e8-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:59.43 | stoned | see what happens |
| 23:59.50 | stoned | if it comes back then save session |
.jpg){kind=link}
