| 00:00.10 | stoned | btw, jazbo2185 first check if kicker is running or not by ps x |
| 00:00.10 | Muisje | webmin no longer aptituded? |
| 00:00.14 | stoned | webmin == suckage |
| 00:00.18 | Muisje | i know |
| 00:00.18 | markybob | thank god it's not |
| 00:00.19 | stoned | not a good tool |
| 00:00.20 | Muisje | any alternative? |
| 00:00.25 | jazbo2185 | jetscreamer: yes |
| 00:00.27 | markybob | ssh and vim |
| 00:00.29 | Muisje | easy to use please. i'm a retard. |
| 00:00.32 | tuvwx | how do i tell ssh to use a particular interface? i have two interfaces on the same subnet. ping -I eth0 host-name works, but ssh doesn't. is there an ssh option like ping's -I? |
| 00:00.36 | stoned | Muisje hehehe |
| 00:00.40 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 00:00.40 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 00:00.42 | RichiH | jetscreamer: both are debian packages |
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| 00:00.50 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:00.56 | RichiH | the descriptions are, as usual, useless |
| 00:01.07 | jetscreamer | no idea RichiH .. i thought they were last names |
| 00:01.36 | RichiH | unless you already know what you want, package information in debian is utterless useless 90% of the time |
| 00:01.43 | RichiH | nope :p |
| 00:01.57 | Muisje | well call me stupid |
| 00:02.08 | Muisje | i'm going to install webmin if no alternative is given |
| 00:02.17 | vn | cpanel? |
| 00:02.20 | stoned | Muisje why not just read and learn how to modify config files yourself |
| 00:02.29 | stoned | Muisje everything is usually well commented in config files |
| 00:02.36 | jazbo2185 | jetscreamer: stoned: thanks. Figured it out. upgrade changed my setting so that kicker only appeared when mouse hits bottom left corner. Before upgrade was when mouse hits bottom of screen. Okay I was a little dumb there... |
| 00:02.37 | stoned | don't live in ignorance bro |
| 00:02.54 | Muisje | i can stoned, but i would love to have something |
| 00:03.06 | stoned | sigh |
| 00:03.06 | Muisje | to do what webmin does |
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| 00:03.07 | Muisje | and i refuse to pay |
| 00:03.14 | Muisje | so cpanel is out of the question |
| 00:03.20 | vn | I guess you're screwed |
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| 00:04.02 | jetscreamer | i've seen other apps in souces that do that |
| 00:04.05 | jetscreamer | sources |
| 00:04.09 | Muisje | http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/webadmin/webmin_1.340_all.deb |
| 00:04.13 | Muisje | you gotta love it :) |
| 00:04.13 | jetscreamer | not sure how good or what |
| 00:04.16 | tuvwx | how can make ssh use eth0 instead of eth1? |
| 00:04.38 | stoned | i don't think you can |
| 00:04.43 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: it uses whichever interface has a route to the host that it is connecting to |
| 00:05.08 | stoned | !paster |
| 00:05.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 00:05.24 | jetscreamer | paster? |
| 00:05.27 | jetscreamer | y |
| 00:05.28 | stoned | hold on |
| 00:05.29 | Vasistha | Muisje: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ and do a text search for manage |
| 00:05.33 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, both have route since both are on the same subnet, but the remote host is actually reachable via eth0 only. so i need to specify eth0 to ssh |
| 00:05.40 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, this is a temp. setup |
| 00:05.51 | stoned | jetscreamer just testing |
| 00:05.54 | stoned | it was down yesterday |
| 00:06.02 | jetscreamer | weirdo |
| 00:06.06 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:06.09 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:06.14 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: if the remote host is only reachable via eth0, then only eth0 should have a route to the remote host |
| 00:06.42 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, whether an interface has route or not depends on ip's and netmasks, which are identical for both interfaces |
| 00:06.53 | sabath | what do I have to install, if I want to have the gnome_Desktop with as less programms as possible. I don't need games, etc. Is gnome-core and gdm enough or do I need to install also xserver? |
| 00:07.04 | stoned | gnome-core |
| 00:07.11 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, the remote host is connected using a single cable to eth0 (no hub/switch..) |
| 00:07.12 | stoned | i think |
| 00:07.15 | stoned | !install gnome |
| 00:07.15 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:07.23 | GhostlyDeath | !dpkg keys |
| 00:07.24 | stoned | yup |
| 00:07.25 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: which they should not be if they are not the same network. |
| 00:07.38 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: so fix the netmask/route and ip assignments. |
| 00:07.39 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i know. this is a temp. setup. |
| 00:07.41 | Muisje | JFFNMS |
| 00:07.43 | Muisje | looks cool |
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| 00:07.56 | Muisje | i'll give it a try. |
| 00:07.59 | sabath | thx |
| 00:08.00 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: so temporarily fix the address, route and network assignments |
| 00:08.05 | Muisje | apt-get remove webmin (<-- die!!) |
| 00:08.15 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i can't change the settings on the remote host unless i connect to it, which i'm trying to do |
| 00:08.25 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: but you can change the settings on your host |
| 00:08.51 | karsten | Are there any clients which are Microsoft NetMeeting compatible for Linux? |
| 00:08.53 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, well a simple temp. solution is to shutdown the other interface, but i was trying to avoid that |
| 00:08.55 | dondelelcaro | (by you know, taking down eth1, or plugging that machine into eth1 or the switch into which eth1 is plugged |
| 00:08.56 | karsten | ... or anything equivalent? |
| 00:09.00 | stoned | gnome-meetin |
| 00:09.01 | sabath | what does it mean: ask me about <set up x> |
| 00:09.04 | stoned | I think |
| 00:09.10 | stoned | gnome-meeting* |
| 00:09.16 | dondelelcaro | sabath: that you should /msg dpkg set up x |
| 00:09.32 | Vasistha | karsten: google.com/linux microsoft netmeeting |
| 00:09.36 | sabath | ok, I did not know |
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| 00:10.04 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: you have to communicate to the kernel in some way how it's supposed to get packets to the remote machine; if the route isn't right, it'll send the packets out the wrong interface |
| 00:10.22 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't really have much to do with where ssh binds the local portr |
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| 00:11.50 | karsten | stoned: apparently supplanted by ekiga. |
| 00:11.55 | stoned | ahh yes |
| 00:12.03 | stoned | I forgot ekiga. |
| 00:12.32 | stoned | karsten did you ever try my irssi theme? |
| 00:12.51 | karsten | stoned: Yeah. I ditched it real qucik ;-) |
| 00:12.59 | karsten | And kiax, the kde netmeeting thing. |
| 00:13.02 | stoned | heh, i dun like you |
| 00:13.06 | stoned | anymore |
| 00:13.14 | GhostlyDeath | How do I run dist upgrade? |
| 00:13.16 | Muisje | great jffnms is an gui app |
| 00:13.27 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:13.27 | stoned | GhostlyDeath aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrad |
| 00:13.29 | Vasistha | themes are so personal. I haven't even bothered trying to share my themes on kde-look, I'm pretty sure noone would want them |
| 00:13.38 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 00:13.39 | karsten | stoned: Get in line |
| 00:13.45 | stoned | j/k buddy |
| 00:13.55 | dman13 | I'm trying to burn an ISO image to a CD. In the past cdrecord worked fine, but wodim complains about unsupported write modes. I tried -dao, the default (-tao), and -raw. Any suggestions? |
| 00:14.09 | jetscreamer | sao? |
| 00:14.27 | dman13 | jetscreamer: that's the same as -dao (according to the output and the manpage) |
| 00:14.30 | stoned | reminds me, DOA was a hot movie |
| 00:14.48 | jetscreamer | no idea... i'm a llamah and use k3b |
| 00:14.55 | stoned | me too, k3b is good |
| 00:15.17 | dman13 | I always used -dao with cdrecord and didn't have any problems =p |
| 00:15.19 | jetscreamer | it's cool now in sid, eye candy |
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| 00:15.33 | stoned | man i haven't even been on a linux box in almot more than a month |
| 00:15.43 | stoned | i just unpacked my computers today but I can't get on the net without a router |
| 00:15.46 | stoned | tomorrow I go buy oen |
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| 00:15.56 | Vasistha | stoned: craigs. list. |
| 00:15.58 | stoned | stew was making fun of me |
| 00:16.06 | haxality | hey all, what's that command to install and compile the fglrx drivers in one line? |
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| 00:16.08 | stoned | he was like, hes been here a week and hasn't unpacked a linux box |
| 00:16.09 | stoned | lol |
| 00:16.16 | stoned | what kinda nerd are you stoned |
| 00:16.17 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:16.21 | jetscreamer | i have done manual burning before, but mostly like cut&paste scripts |
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| 00:16.26 | stew | stoned: go to the properties on the network neighborhood, then go to advanced, the click on "share my connection" |
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| 00:16.35 | stoned | yessir i know :) |
| 00:16.35 | stew | or some nonsense like that |
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| 00:16.55 | jetscreamer | ##windows |
| 00:17.13 | stoned | stew, cable modem is far away 3 rooms down. I have one wireless router. I don't want to buy 4 wifi NIC. I'd rather just get a 40$ router and use it in client mode |
| 00:17.19 | stoned | it has a 4 port switch built in |
| 00:17.46 | stoned | that way i can hook up all my machines without getting wifi cards |
| 00:17.53 | stoned | wired is better any i think |
| 00:17.53 | stew | just use lots of mirrors and duct tape and irda |
| 00:17.54 | Vasistha | as long as you're sure :P some routers don't play nice pretending to be a wifi bridge + switch |
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| 00:17.59 | stoned | hahaha |
| 00:18.15 | stoned | well I have a wrt54G running ddwrt |
| 00:18.22 | stoned | i need another one and i'll be set |
| 00:18.34 | Vasistha | although actually, this dlink print server has been working pretty well for us as just that |
| 00:18.40 | tapio | Whats the whole iceweasel thing about? Why change the name? |
| 00:18.50 | stoned | jetscreamer you got something you can part with? I |
| 00:18.56 | stoned | I'll pay shipping jetscreamer |
| 00:19.04 | Vasistha | !tell tapio -about iceweasel |
| 00:19.06 | rcbarnes | tapio: you don't want to start that again. |
| 00:19.28 | stoned | cuz mozilla are anal about thier stuff |
| 00:19.37 | tapio | hm, ok. :> |
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| 00:24.24 | Vasistha | tapio: wikipedia's iceweasel article has a nice explanation, too |
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| 00:25.46 | jetscreamer | why am i thinking spam attack |
| 00:25.47 | Vooloo | how can I change a+w on directories only recursively? |
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| 00:25.51 | DavidProck1981 | ok i got it working, but im afraid to restart |
| 00:25.51 | tapio | Vasistha: Yea, reading it now. :> |
| 00:25.55 | Vasistha | Vooloo: find -type d -exec chmod a+w {} \; |
| 00:25.55 | stoned | Unlike Mozilla, both Iceweasels' default icons are under the same tri-license. |
| 00:25.58 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha i got it working now, but im afarade to restart |
| 00:25.59 | Vasistha | Vooloo: if there are a lot of them and you want it to go faster, and are using gnu tools (as you would be with debian): find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod a+w |
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| 00:26.05 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: haha ... yeah, I guess you would be, huh? :P |
| 00:26.06 | nn-server | hi all |
| 00:26.07 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
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| 00:26.08 | nn-server | I need help |
| 00:26.09 | stoned | !ask |
| 00:26.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:26.10 | amphi | nn-server: could you be more vague? ;) |
| 00:26.11 | DavidProck1981 | how can i check what is loaded / the current things |
| 00:26.11 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: alright, well let's brainstorm here ... why don't you save the output of lsmod, and today's Xorg.0.log ... |
| 00:26.12 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY' (notify administrator) |
| 00:26.12 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'QUOTAS_ENAB' (notify administrator) |
| 00:26.12 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'NOLOGIN_STR' (notify administrator) |
| 00:26.13 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'ENV_HZ' (notify administrator) |
| 00:26.13 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'PASS_MAX_LEN' (notify administrator) |
| 00:26.13 | nn-server | configuration error - unknown item 'CHFN_AUTH' (notify administrator) |
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| 00:26.14 | stoned | whoah how the hell did he get in 6 lines |
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| 00:26.15 | nn-server | ok back |
| 00:26.15 | Vasistha | stoned: he was going really fast ;-) |
| 00:26.15 | stoned | I thought it was a kick on 4 or something |
| 00:26.16 | stoned | ah |
| 00:26.16 | Vooloo | Vasistha: nothing happened |
| 00:26.17 | stoned | !tell nn-server -about paster |
| 00:26.18 | Vasistha | Vooloo: are you sure the permissions have not changed? |
| 00:26.18 | nn-server | o well you get the point |
| 00:26.19 | nn-server | so what is rong |
| 00:26.44 | Vasistha | nn-server: what are you trying to do? what gave you those errors? how did you produce them? |
| 00:26.44 | nn-server | onily started when i dist upgraded to testing |
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| 00:26.44 | nn-server | by loging in |
| 00:26.44 | stoned | lol |
| 00:26.45 | stoned | so cute |
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| 00:26.45 | nn-laptop | happened on 2 cps to |
| 00:27.06 | [lambda] | hi everybody |
| 00:27.06 | stoned | hello |
| 00:27.06 | nn-server | missing logfile i think |
| 00:27.06 | [lambda] | how interact with debian bot please ? |
| 00:27.09 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
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| 00:27.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 00:27.12 | dman13 | I forgot to be root before running wodim. Thhat's why it couldn't find a valid write mode for my cdrw drive. |
| 00:27.16 | karsten | [lambda]: /msg dpkg |
| 00:27.20 | [lambda] | ok ;-) |
| 00:27.21 | Vooloo | Vasistha: should it output anything? |
| 00:27.24 | stoned | read above factoid |
| 00:27.33 | Vasistha | Vooloo: probably not, no. did you check the permissions and see if they changed? |
| 00:28.09 | Vasistha | Vooloo: btw, *where* are you doing this? in which directory? |
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| 00:29.05 | Vooloo | Vasistha: they didn't change :/ ran in a vhost dir |
| 00:29.19 | Vasistha | Vooloo: can you change one manually? |
| 00:29.32 | nn-laptop | !install |
| 00:29.32 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 00:29.45 | nn-laptop | !install dpkg bot |
| 00:29.53 | nn-laptop | !install dpkgbot |
| 00:29.58 | nn-laptop | !install thebot |
| 00:30.01 | nn-laptop | !install bot |
| 00:31.42 | nn-laptop | ack |
| 00:31.42 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: stop |
| 00:31.42 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: /msg dpkg |
| 00:31.43 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: what is it that you want?? |
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| 00:31.43 | nn-laptop | to install the dpkg bot |
| 00:31.44 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: on your own computer? |
| 00:31.44 | nn-laptop | on my server |
| 00:31.44 | nn-laptop | that has irx |
| 00:31.44 | dondelelcaro | the sourcecode and everything is publicly available, but it is not supported here. |
| 00:31.44 | nn-laptop | irc server |
| 00:31.44 | dondelelcaro | nn-laptop: /msg dpkg your factoids; and visit blootbot.sf.net |
| 00:31.45 | karsten | stoned: Do you use gnomemeeting / ekiga? |
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| 00:31.54 | karsten | ... and/or can anyone give pointers on how to use same w/ netmeeting? |
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| 00:33.10 | DavidProck1981 | Vasistha i baacked up Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf, as of now when it is working |
| 00:33.15 | malheure | Hi, has anyone a chrooted and working scponly on etch? |
| 00:33.21 | nn-laptop | !679+5866*2 |
| 00:33.21 | dpkg | 12411 |
| 00:33.25 | nn-laptop | nice |
| 00:33.43 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: you might also want to get the output of lsmod |
| 00:33.53 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: I'm not sure what all else there is :P |
| 00:33.58 | DavidProck1981 | oh and that too, do u want ot see it |
| 00:34.12 | Vasistha | DavidProck1981: not really, I wouldn't know what to do with it. I've never owned an nvidia card |
| 00:34.16 | nn-laptop | !tell Vasistha shh |
| 00:34.30 | Vasistha | !tell nn-laptop -about msg the bot |
| 00:34.30 | DavidProck1981 | k |
| 00:34.31 | tapio | I have to add some other repositories to get flash working with iceweasel? |
| 00:34.34 | nn-laptop | hu |
| 00:34.51 | Guerin | tapio: /msg dpkg flash |
| 00:34.53 | nn-laptop | lol |
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| 00:34.56 | Vasistha | tapio: well, if you want adobe's non-free version, you could add the debian-multimedia repo |
| 00:35.08 | nn-laptop | !699797997*75894758947358974395874 |
| 00:35.09 | dpkg | a number with quite a few digits... |
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| 00:35.11 | tapio | Vasistha: I just need youtube. :> |
| 00:35.16 | nn-laptop | shoot |
| 00:35.54 | nn-laptop | !777777*6788&&4/3 |
| 00:35.55 | dpkg | 1.333333333333 |
| 00:36.14 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: what is it about /msg dpkg that you don't comprehend? |
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| 00:36.54 | nn-laptop | lol well there isnt anything else to do |
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| 00:37.53 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: you could just sit tight and be quiet so that those of us watching the channel for real questions don't have to sift through all of your garbage ;-) dpkg will be happy to humor you in PM |
| 00:37.55 | amphi | nn-laptop: debug something |
| 00:38.45 | Vasistha | tapio: I'm not 100% certain, but there's a pretty good chance you'll need adobe's proprietary player to use youtube. /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 00:38.49 | nn-laptop | hoe |
| 00:38.51 | nn-laptop | how |
| 00:39.01 | Guerin | nn-laptop: with the debugotron |
| 00:39.16 | nn-laptop | lol |
| 00:39.18 | Guerin | Vasistha: 100% |
| 00:39.19 | nn-laptop | squish amphi |
| 00:39.45 | nn-laptop | lol |
| 00:39.48 | Guerin | nn-laptop: fuck off and take your ADHD medication already |
| 00:39.48 | nn-laptop | Vasistha, kill vista |
| 00:39.49 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: if you want to chatter, go hang out in #freenode-social |
| 00:40.01 | concept10 | !info xkdrive |
| 00:40.28 | nn-laptop | what would you guys like mirrored |
| 00:40.34 | nn-laptop | i have space |
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| 00:40.44 | nn-laptop | on server |
| 00:40.49 | Vasistha | !mirror |
| 00:40.49 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:41.18 | nn-laptop | already mirror debian Vasistha |
| 00:41.41 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: very kind of you, cheers! |
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| 00:41.56 | nn-laptop | but what else should i mirror |
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| 00:42.54 | nn-server | switch nn-laptop to nn-server |
| 00:42.57 | nn-server | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:42.57 | nn-server | tmpfs 380M 0 380M 0% /dev/shm |
| 00:42.57 | nn-server | tmpfs 10M 720K 9.3M 8% /dev |
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| 00:43.19 | Vooloo | Vasistha: oh yeah the problem is something else.. scp: /home/....: set times: Operation not permitted |
| 00:43.21 | nn-server | tmpfs 380M 0 380M 0% /dev/shm |
| 00:43.21 | nn-server | tmpfs 10M 720K 9.3M 8% /dev |
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| 00:43.44 | amphi | nn-server: you already said that |
| 00:43.57 | nn-server | #/dev/hdb1 147G 84G 56G 61% /var/www/mirror |
| 00:43.59 | nn-server | there |
| 00:44.06 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: well, there's debian-multimedia, and then there are the debian CD images. If you have serious server capability, you could host an irc.freenode.net node, esp. if you're in the U.S. ... I think the free pascal project could use another mirror as well. |
| 00:44.25 | nn-laptop | y |
| 00:44.32 | malheure | anyone here using a chrooted scponly with etch? |
| 00:44.34 | nn-laptop | soon 6M/700k |
| 00:44.45 | nn-laptop | internet |
| 00:44.56 | nn-laptop | how do i do a freenode |
| 00:44.57 | malheure | i have problems connecting vith sftp |
| 00:45.04 | nn-laptop | mirror / connection |
| 00:45.07 | malheure | s/v/w/ |
| 00:45.09 | Supaplex | malheure: sounds easy enough to setup. Why not use blind directories for sensitive areas? |
| 00:45.19 | nn-laptop | already have irc |
| 00:45.22 | nn-laptop | setup |
| 00:45.27 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 00:45.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 00:45.41 | malheure | Supaplex: what do you mean with blind? |
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| 00:45.52 | Supaplex | malheure: chmod og=x /home/ |
| 00:46.06 | malheure | Supaplex: mmm |
| 00:46.14 | nn-laptop | irc currently at srv256.homelinux.net 23 this month new connection and domain |
| 00:46.44 | malheure | Supaplex: yes, ok, but chroot would be nicer though |
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| 00:47.21 | Supaplex | malheure: true. there might be some pam setting to chroot to $HOME on login. so / is their home. Is that what you're after? |
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| 00:47.30 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: look, I don't know how to recommend you use your resources. It's very kind of you to volunteer, but ... this really isn't a debian question. If you look around the debian web site, you can probably find a place that offers suggestions to the question, "how can I help" |
| 00:47.33 | nn-laptop | Cant wait to become a Official mirror of debian |
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| 00:47.47 | Supaplex | malheure: are users able to run/use any php/perl/cgi or the sort? |
| 00:48.13 | malheure | Supaplex: In fact a suid scponly should do the job. |
| 00:48.23 | jelly-home | nn-laptop: do you have a fixed ip? |
| 00:48.26 | Vasistha | Vooloo: I'm not really sure what vhost is ... is this a network mount? is it a linux partition? |
| 00:48.35 | malheure | Supaplex: it's not that complicated |
| 00:48.43 | nn-laptop | jelly-home, as of the 23 i will |
| 00:49.46 | nn-laptop | just waiting for the cable install guy |
| 00:49.48 | nn-laptop | the connection costs $100 a month |
| 00:49.48 | malheure | Supaplex: primarily i whant to use scponly as a restricted shell for sftp transfers |
| 00:49.56 | Catachan | okay, so if I add repositories for sid to my apt-get lists, will it break them? |
| 00:49.58 | nn-laptop | so i want to use it to help linux as much as posable |
| 00:50.30 | malheure | but after a successful auth the connection closes with "connection closed" |
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| 00:51.27 | gpm | whatever happened to mrwilson or justin? |
| 00:51.41 | malheure | if i login with ssh it seems to be fine and i get something like "WinSCP: this is end-of-file:0" |
| 00:51.50 | nn-laptop | irc, foroms, mirrors, websetup, genral no login "File bin" and "paste bin etc." all I need is some admins willing to help with the load |
| 00:52.00 | jelly-home | !seen mwilson |
| 00:52.01 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 549d 3h 45m 37s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 00:52.03 | malheure | however sftp shuts down |
| 00:52.10 | distatica | Is there a program, or is it even possible, to set the options apt is going to ask you for input on, BEFORE the packages are downloaded / installed? So that unattended backups and installs could take place? |
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| 00:52.45 | malheure | Supaplex: have you made any experience with that? |
| 00:52.53 | distatica | erm, not backups, upgrades, sorry. |
| 00:52.53 | nn-laptop | nice !!! |
| 00:52.53 | Supaplex | malheure: ok. I understand what you're trying to do, but I don't know how. Does it work at all? even without chroot? (K.I.S.S., then work with it) |
| 00:52.53 | dondelelcaro | distatica: for debconf questions, yes. For dpkg configuration questions, no, but you can force one action. |
| 00:53.04 | nn-laptop | !seen SamB |
| 00:53.04 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'samb', nn-laptop |
| 00:53.11 | nn-laptop | oh |
| 00:53.23 | malheure | it shoud, i'll try |
| 00:53.30 | distatica | dondelelcaro: you mean such as forcing the default option for dpkg configuration questions? |
| 00:53.55 | dondelelcaro | distatica: or any other option, yes. |
| 00:54.40 | Patrick_ | hey guys, I just permormed a net install of debian amd64 fresh install and would like to get a few things working correctly, on this new acer laptop that I quickly wiped vista home prem off. |
| 00:54.42 | dondelelcaro | distatica: for the former, see debconf-set-selections, for the later --force-confnew et al. |
| 00:55.01 | malheure | Supaplex: the non suid binary works fine! |
| 00:55.08 | Patrick_ | my wireless and my built in memory card reader |
| 00:55.10 | distatica | dondelelcaro: ok, that helps me a lot, thank you kindly. |
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| 00:55.47 | GhostlyDeath | How do I stop the "VFS: busy inodes on changed media" messages? |
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| 00:56.16 | malheure | Supaplex: maybe it's something missing in the chroot, but i have no clue what it could be |
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| 00:56.25 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: unmount the media you already removed? was that floppy or something? |
| 00:56.36 | Supaplex | malheure: odd. did you suid that yourself? |
| 00:56.36 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Are you inserting / removing usb sticks or CDROMs w/o umounting them? |
| 00:56.42 | GhostlyDeath | Dunno |
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| 00:56.53 | GhostlyDeath | Ill umount and see |
| 00:56.58 | Patrick_ | how do I identify my hardware, so that I know what I need? |
| 00:57.04 | malheure | Supaplex: its a seperate suid that comes with the package |
| 00:57.23 | GhostlyDeath | was /dev/hda |
| 00:57.24 | karsten | Patrick_: 'discover' package, lspci, dmesg, are your friends. What specific HW? |
| 00:57.24 | malheure | Supaplex: extra for chrooted envs |
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| 00:57.44 | malheure | Supaplex: plus provided a script to set up the chroot |
| 00:58.01 | Supaplex | malheure: which package is it? |
| 00:58.06 | malheure | scponly |
| 00:58.12 | Patrick_ | karsten: I need to get my wifi working on this laptop |
| 00:58.31 | karsten | Patrick_: 'lspci' should list your wifi card then. |
| 00:58.37 | Patrick_ | ok |
| 00:59.10 | stoned | that is exactly why I'm not buying any wifi nic |
| 00:59.19 | karsten | Patrick_: A fairly surefire method is to actually inspec the device and/or chipset if you can do so, or refer to manufacturer specs, though these can be incomplete and/or obsolete. |
| 00:59.22 | stoned | gonna get a router and run it in client mode and wire my machines |
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| 00:59.29 | Supaplex | malheure: I see.. have you checked bts for any outstanding issues? Maybe someone posted a workaround. Or, maybe noone has notified the maintainer about it. |
| 00:59.36 | malheure | Supaplex: i made that setup a year ago, but the hd has gone into the trash :( |
| 00:59.37 | stoned | too much hassle with the drivers |
| 00:59.57 | malheure | Supaplex: i'll do so |
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| 01:00.31 | Supaplex | malheure: see usr/share/doc/scponly/ usr/share/man/man8/scponlyc.8.gz and usr/share/man/man1/scponly.1.gz and maybe etc/scponly/debuglevel. dpkg -L scponly is your friend. (or in my case, apt-file show, since I don't have it installed) |
| 01:00.56 | malheure | Supaplex: aha |
| 01:01.47 | Patrick_ | karsten: It's a " Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC" |
| 01:02.04 | Patrick_ | ubuntu found this |
| 01:02.25 | Patrick_ | well feisty did |
| 01:02.25 | Supaplex | !madwifi |
| 01:02.26 | dpkg | i heard madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 01:02.35 | Patrick_ | yeah thats right |
| 01:02.42 | Patrick_ | nice one :) |
| 01:02.48 | rennen01 | hello all |
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| 01:07.11 | malheure | Supaplex: thanks for your support so far - i'll notice you when i got the defect |
| 01:07.59 | Supaplex | malheure: I'll spy bts. no need, unless you find it's by design, and you have a workaround :) |
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| 01:09.09 | nn-laptop | ok back |
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| 01:09.41 | quad3d | If i install 64-bit etch.... but when i look up pekwm under pkg search it doesn't mention a AMD64 port.... would i be able to install pekwm? |
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| 01:11.10 | karsten | Patrick_: IIRC you should be in luck then. |
| 01:11.21 | karsten | Patrick_: madwifi, as Supaplex suggested. |
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| 01:23.35 | Muisje | How can i modify again how users are created? |
| 01:23.48 | karsten | Muisje: What do you want to modify about it? |
| 01:23.50 | Muisje | There was a file once you could change to autocreate some directory's when user creased. |
| 01:23.59 | Muisje | created* |
| 01:24.15 | karsten | Muisje: /etc/skel/ holds templates of what's put in a new user's home directory. |
| 01:24.33 | Muisje | there are none :P |
| 01:24.48 | karsten | Muisje: 'ls -A /etc/skel |
| 01:24.49 | karsten | ' |
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| 01:25.11 | blazemonger | how can i run two linux distros on one 40 gig drive |
| 01:25.17 | blazemonger | and how would i partition my drives |
| 01:25.36 | karsten | blazemonger: Via dual boot. And as appropriate. |
| 01:25.38 | Muisje | nevermind i'm too stupid for it |
| 01:25.40 | karsten | !dual boot |
| 01:25.40 | dpkg | dual boot is, like, This describes a system that can boot to two different operating systems. Some OSs, such as Windows NT and OS/2, allow for dual booting when installed. Of course, you can also use other methods such as commercial programs that install a special boot partition that is capable of launching operating systems from other partitions. You can also boot to more than two operating systems on the same machine. |
| 01:25.56 | blazemonger | kar:would both distros use the same swap file? |
| 01:26.01 | blazemonger | and how big should my swap file be? |
| 01:26.04 | karsten | Muisje: Also /etc/default/useradd which sets some new account parameters. |
| 01:26.28 | karsten | blazemonger: configured to do so, yes. You aren't hurting anything by doing this (absnt some security concerns in edge cases) |
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| 01:26.53 | blazemonger | edge? |
| 01:27.05 | karsten | blazemonger: I generally ballpark swap at 2x current RAM to a max of 1x max system RAM. You can vary that a bit but it's a pretty good ballpark. |
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| 01:27.25 | karsten | blazemonger: If you don't trust users/accounts under one boot environment to know what's in swap from the other. |
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| 01:27.47 | karsten | blazemonger: If you don't work for a three letter agency (or spend a lot of time worrying about same) you probably don't need to think about this. |
| 01:32.18 | blazemonger | well im the only user |
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| 01:32.31 | blazemonger | want to put debian and gnewsense on |
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| 01:32.41 | [lambda] | !CHANINFO |
| 01:32.41 | rourke | Moderated: False |
| 01:32.41 | rourke | Number of users: 757 |
| 01:32.41 | rourke | Channel operators: 2 |
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| 01:32.42 | dpkg | I'm on 7 channels: ##unavailable/9, #debian/757, #debian-bots/18, #debian-no/3, #debian-ops/11 |
| 01:32.42 | dpkg | i've cached 798 users, 774 unique users, distributed over 7 channels. |
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| 01:34.07 | [lambda] | !ChanInfo |
| 01:34.07 | rourke | Moderated: False |
| 01:34.08 | rourke | Number of users: 757 |
| 01:34.08 | rourke | Channel operators: 2 |
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| 01:34.08 | dpkg | I'm on 7 channels: ##unavailable/9, #debian/757, #debian-bots/18, #debian-no/3, #debian-ops/11 |
| 01:34.08 | dpkg | i've cached 798 users, 774 unique users, distributed over 7 channels. |
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| 01:48.38 | [lambda] | !ChanInfo |
| 01:48.38 | dpkg | I'm on 7 channels: ##unavailable/9, #debian/754, #debian-bots/19, #debian-no/3, #debian-ops/11 |
| 01:48.38 | dpkg | i've cached 796 users, 771 unique users, distributed over 7 channels. |
| 01:48.39 | asg | [lambda]: you can /msg the bot as well |
| 01:48.40 | Thuryn | sup |
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| 01:48.43 | [lambda] | sorry |
| 01:48.44 | karsten | Whose bot was rourke? |
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| 01:48.45 | Thuryn | I'll soon find out |
| 01:48.45 | Miles_Prower | Oh how far we have come! http://web.archive.org/web/19981202230410/http://www.google.com/ |
| 01:48.45 | karsten | 18:44 -!- rourke [i=seb@88-136-65-106.adslgp.cegetel.net] |
| 01:48.45 | crackintosh_ | is there a way I can login to another session that I have open remotely? I didnt use screen... |
| 01:48.46 | karsten | crackintosh_: screen can attach to a given pty, though that's a bit crack. |
| 01:48.46 | SerajewelKS | crackintosh_: not safely |
| 01:48.46 | karsten | crackintosh_: In future, use screen. |
| 01:48.46 | crackintosh_ | i can attach to an open pty? |
| 01:48.46 | crackintosh_ | why is it a crack? |
| 01:48.46 | karsten | crackintosh_: If you have perms. |
| 01:48.47 | karsten | It's not a crack, it's _crack_, in that it's not a good way to go about doing things. |
| 01:48.47 | crackintosh_ | damn.... |
| 01:48.47 | karsten | crackintosh_: There's also snooptty or ttysnoop which lets you see what's on a given session. |
| 01:48.48 | asg | Miles_Prower: other than more advanced beveling in the logo, there isn't much difference ;) |
| 01:48.48 | xoz | karsten: owned by [lambda], same address |
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| 01:48.49 | karsten | crackintosh_: Doing same as a rescue effort is OK. Spying on users is strongly deprecated. |
| 01:48.50 | crackintosh_ | karsten: wouldnt you need root to do that? |
| 01:48.55 | crackintosh_ | im just trying to not go back to the office tonight |
| 01:48.55 | karsten | crackintosh_: ptys are assigned ownership to the accessing user. |
| 01:48.56 | karsten | crackintosh_: Use screen, in future. |
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| 01:50.37 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:51.23 | jstevens | Wow, I guess Google does offer a service that actually moved out of beta... |
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| 01:52.15 | irule | how can I upgrade my running sarge desktop to edgy? |
| 01:52.17 | irule | hi |
| 01:52.29 | gravity | um |
| 01:52.32 | Azar | irule: there is no etdgy in Debian |
| 01:52.35 | Guerin | irule: you don't |
| 01:52.41 | gravity | irule: Do you mean "etch"? |
| 01:52.43 | irule | huh? |
| 01:52.45 | Azar | master Guerinnnnn! |
| 01:52.50 | irule | yes that lol |
| 01:52.57 | Azar | no, that TOO |
| 01:53.08 | kspath | also? as well? |
| 01:53.13 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:53.36 | Azar | irule: copy the content on your /etc/apt/sources.list file on a paster, to see what you got |
| 01:53.38 | markybob | irule: read the install guide |
| 01:53.41 | markybob | !ig |
| 01:53.41 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 01:54.09 | irule | wmarkybob here is the install guide? |
| 01:54.16 | irule | where |
| 01:54.19 | helfrez | anyone have an suggestions, I have a external firewire drive that keeps locking after about 15secs when i try to format or read from it |
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| 01:54.41 | markybob | irule: look up. i just had dpkg paste it in the channel |
| 01:54.47 | Vasistha | helfrez: what does dmesg say |
| 01:56.24 | irule | http://pastebin.ca/449148 this is it Azar |
| 01:56.51 | helfrez | Vasistha, not a thing of interest, recognizes the drive fine, can see other partition |
| 01:57.35 | helfrez | VaLouille, does say got wrong page and assuming write thorugh cache, other than that nothing |
| 01:57.49 | helfrez | just starts spamming rejecting I/O to offlien ddevice once it locks |
| 01:58.20 | Guerin | helfrez: flakey driver/controller |
| 01:58.35 | Guerin | helfrez: this happens sometimes. Tyr disbling acpi and/or apic - sometimes works |
| 01:58.58 | Azar | irule: interesting, you got sarge AND etch on your sources, did you know that is not good? |
| 01:59.37 | helfrez | Guerin, yeah tried both of those |
| 01:59.38 | Azar | irule: most likely you got broken packages with that combination |
| 01:59.45 | irule | Im a newbie, what can I say? btw I never touched that file so I dont even know how I got that |
| 01:59.50 | irule | oh yes |
| 02:00.10 | irule | Azar so do you mind please giving me the correct file? |
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| 02:01.00 | Azar | irule: what is the version number of your Debian? and uname -a what kernel version? |
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| 02:01.23 | Vasistha | irule: well, *somebody* touched that file -- that's certainly not how it came when you installed sarge. |
| 02:01.26 | helfrez | spamming dmesg looks liek before the device goes offline sbp2 tries to reset the device |
| 02:01.46 | Azar | Vasistha: he was snitching files from etch with backports.. |
| 02:02.45 | Azar | irule: if you want to upgrade to etch you will have to do cleanup: lots of files that are NOT proper for Debian or Sarge should be removed |
| 02:02.55 | Azar | irule: are you up to the task? |
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| 02:04.54 | xoz | irule: how did you install debian? you start from sarge or etch? |
| 02:05.05 | maxamillion | after i install hal, it will auto mount cd-roms for me but raises an error when i try to access an usb flash drive ... is there a configuration i missed? |
| 02:05.32 | markybob | !error |
| 02:05.32 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 02:05.57 | maxamillion | it says it can't find the device in the /etc/fstab ... which i would imagine it wouldn't but i was under the assumption that hal will add to /etc/fstab as needed |
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| 02:06.37 | markybob | maxamillion: why? when you have a cdrom line in /etc/fstab |
| 02:07.11 | maxamillion | markybob: but i don't for my usb flash drive |
| 02:07.18 | maxamillion | markybob: i thought it would add a line for that |
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| 02:07.29 | markybob | maxamillion: yes, and your assumption is flawed, like i pointed out with the cdrom line. |
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| 02:07.50 | brentfud | Hiya |
| 02:07.53 | maxamillion | markybob: i am missing what you are saying |
| 02:08.23 | markybob | maxamillion: if you need a line in fstab for it to mount cds, what makes you think you wouldnt need one for it to mount usb? |
| 02:08.26 | Muisje | windows and time estamating |
| 02:08.35 | Muisje | 23 hours and 40 minutes |
| 02:08.45 | maxamillion | markybob: i am aware that there is an entry in my /etc/fstab for my cdrom and was apparently mistaken about hald and thus i return to my original question "is there a configuration step i missed?" |
| 02:08.47 | Guerin | Muisje: those are microsoft minutes |
| 02:08.50 | Guerin | very elastic |
| 02:08.51 | Muisje | hehe :) |
| 02:09.24 | militant | hmmm. i'm trying to use java from a term, to run a .jar file. it's giving me this: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: JIPS.jar not found in java.lang.ClassLoader$1{urls=[file:/blah/blah/./], parent=null} ... any clues? |
| 02:09.48 | maxamillion | militant: you sure you are running sun-java? |
| 02:09.59 | militant | maxamillion: ... hrrm? |
| 02:10.04 | maxamillion | didn't think so |
| 02:10.08 | maxamillion | !java |
| 02:10.08 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 02:10.12 | maxamillion | bah! |
| 02:10.15 | maxamillion | !install java |
| 02:10.16 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 02:10.30 | Guerin | have sun gotten their GPL java out yet? |
| 02:10.32 | maxamillion | militant: ^^^^ |
| 02:10.41 | Guerin | or are tey still in vapour mode? |
| 02:10.43 | militant | maxamillion: word, thanks. i'll work on it from there |
| 02:10.47 | maxamillion | Guerin: yeah ... java6? ... i think its been stable for a little while |
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| 02:11.00 | maxamillion | militant: cool beans |
| 02:11.08 | markybob | maxamillion: add something like /dev/sda1 /media/usbstick auto auto,user to fstab. change sda1 to whatver your usb stick would be |
| 02:11.10 | Guerin | maxamillion: under the gpl? the runtime environment? |
| 02:11.22 | maxamillion | Guerin: i think so ... i thought it was GPLv3 |
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| 02:11.37 | maxamillion | Guerin: but don't quote me on it ... i could be wrong |
| 02:11.40 | Guerin | maxamillion: well, since gplkv3 isn't anywhere near finished ... |
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| 02:12.11 | militant | maxamillion: i'm tryin to use a java IPS rom patcher to play some goofy mario world hacks. which is of course HIGHLY important. here's hoping your info helps :) |
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| 02:12.49 | markybob | Guerin: their site still links to their dumbass wanna-be free license. i dont see gpl anywhere there |
| 02:13.08 | Guerin | markybob: me neither, but I have been known to miss such things |
| 02:13.52 | maxamillion | militant: essentially "su" "aptitude install sun-java5-jre" |
| 02:14.09 | militant | ya, it's coming in now |
| 02:14.21 | maxamillion | militant: rgr |
| 02:14.55 | markybob | !penixstrike deluge developer for not accepting markybob's patches |
| 02:14.56 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking deluge developer for not accepting markybob's patches to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:15.31 | maxamillion | markybob: so, should i just manually edit my /etc/fstab to be able to handle the usb device or is there some other way? |
| 02:15.42 | markybob | maxamillion: yes, you should add that line to your fstab |
| 02:15.43 | militant | i'm very unclear on java on linux. i made the mistake of assuming that the 'java' command available was ... well, standard java. guess it makes sense now, considering a lot of websites complained that i didn't have java even when other java apps worked fine :) |
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| 02:18.46 | brentfud | Is /etc/modutils/0keep needed anymore? |
| 02:18.59 | brentfud | I am trying to install wlan package |
| 02:19.19 | brentfud | Keeps barfing about 0keep |
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| 02:20.57 | militant | hmmmm maxamillion is java_vm what i want to run, now? |
| 02:21.19 | brentfud | Im guessing this a fringe error I have, no info on google |
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| 02:23.08 | maxamillion | militant: java -version ... if it says "1.5.x" then you are good, then just run "java -jar whatever.jar" |
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| 02:23.44 | militant | maxamillion: it's reporting SableVM ... |
| 02:24.33 | maxamillion | militant: ? |
| 02:24.41 | maxamillion | i dunno ... i don't have sun-java on this machine |
| 02:24.47 | militant | militant@ghetto:~$ java -version |
| 02:24.47 | militant | SableVM version 1.13 |
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| 02:24.58 | maxamillion | militant: whoa ... that's different |
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| 02:25.37 | maxamillion | markybob: i am being told elsewhere that the point of hald is that you don't have to add things to /etc/fstab by hand .... now i'm confused |
| 02:26.12 | markybob | maxamillion: you're doing what the error is requesting. i'm not sure how that's "bad" |
| 02:26.31 | markybob | maxamillion: ask whoever it is told you that to explain. and i dont really care what you do |
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| 02:27.02 | maxamillion | markybob: i'm not saying it is bad ... but the device entry it comes up with is subject to what usb port i plug it into .... but thanks for being a dick about it |
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| 02:27.38 | markybob | maxamillion: anytime |
| 02:28.23 | militant | maxamillion: actually with a little fiddling, one of the free jvm's ran my .jar just fine. yay for wasted effort :) |
| 02:28.27 | cafuego | maxamillion: Note that th device entry can be made sane via udev. |
| 02:29.03 | maxamillion | cafuego: ah, forgot about that one ... thanks |
| 02:29.33 | maxamillion | cafuego: hmm... i have that one, its possible i am just missing a config step somewhere ... i will look into it |
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| 02:31.17 | militant | dammit i guess maybe my copy of mario world is bad or something. 2 different patches have resulted in roms that won't run, so far. /me sighs |
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| 02:32.21 | maxamillion | cafuego: random side question ... would you happen to know why hal isn't installed by default? |
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| 02:33.36 | jnsears | hi all |
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| 02:33.50 | jnsears | I'm getting SIGSEGV errors from the java VM on debian and ubuntu |
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| 02:33.57 | jnsears | running the same prog on OSX gives no problems |
| 02:34.07 | jnsears | any ideas? |
| 02:34.32 | maxamillion | jnsears: do you have sun-java on both debian and ubuntu machines you are trying to run this application or are you trying with gij? |
| 02:34.37 | markybob | jnsears: yeah. ##java |
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| 02:35.06 | maxamillion | jnsears: don't mind markybob, he woke up on the wrong side of the keyboard or something |
| 02:35.18 | Whisperkiller | hey peeps i need some help... |
| 02:35.21 | jnsears | it says Java HotSpot client |
| 02:35.24 | jnsears | nothing about sun |
| 02:35.28 | jnsears | or gij for that matter |
| 02:35.34 | maxamillion | jnsears: HotSpot is Sun |
| 02:35.39 | jnsears | ok |
| 02:35.40 | maxamillion | jnsears: what version does it say? |
| 02:35.41 | jnsears | what's the other option |
| 02:35.45 | jnsears | 1.5.0_08 |
| 02:35.47 | Azar | what for is java ? |
| 02:35.50 | jnsears | although i tried 1.6 on debian |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | Whisperkiller: just ask |
| 02:36.02 | Azar | what you do with it? |
| 02:36.08 | Whisperkiller | im bout to install ubuntu (and i cant get in the ubuntu room for some reason) and i have a wireless linksys router/nic...should i default the router to get it to work with my install? |
| 02:36.12 | Azar | misterr abrotman, good evening |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | Azar: are you serious ? |
| 02:36.15 | maxamillion | jnsears: hmmm... yeah, then i don't know why you would be getting an error on linux and not OS X |
| 02:36.22 | Whisperkiller | i was about to ask :P |
| 02:36.23 | Azar | abrotman: serious, never used it |
| 02:36.27 | jnsears | running a data scraper that grabs images and parses through them to get market data which it saves to a db |
| 02:36.28 | zeeble | heh |
| 02:36.33 | abrotman | Whisperkiller: /join #ubuntu |
| 02:36.39 | Whisperkiller | i cant get it |
| 02:36.40 | jnsears | it's a programming language though - that's just my app |
| 02:36.42 | Whisperkiller | get in |
| 02:36.44 | abrotman | Azar: i bet you have :) |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | then try ##linux |
| 02:36.57 | markybob | Whisperkiller: we cant help you. we support debian, not ubuntu |
| 02:36.59 | Azar | abrotman: sorry for being such a noob,.. |
| 02:36.59 | jnsears | maxamillian: what about this gij? |
| 02:37.15 | abrotman | Azar: i bet you've used it |
| 02:37.18 | Azar | I don't have java on my box, I was wondering what is good for? |
| 02:37.32 | Whisperkiller | gay...its a general linux question nerd....later |
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| 02:37.37 | abrotman | you never used java with windows ? |
| 02:37.48 | Azar | abrotman: nope |
| 02:38.05 | zeeble | which sites do you go to? w3.org? |
| 02:38.05 | Azar | abrotman: I usually have disabled most of the services, maybe java was one of them? |
| 02:38.06 | maxamillion | jnsears: look it up on google or wikipedia, i'm sure i would mess up trying to explain exactly what it is ... but my take on it is that its just an open source java vm |
| 02:38.17 | zeeble | java service?! |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | i don't even know what "default the router" means :) |
| 02:38.24 | jnsears | thx |
| 02:38.34 | Azar | zeeble: man, I really have no idea what is good for |
| 02:38.36 | markybob | abrotman: i hope he meant "happy" :) |
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| 02:38.54 | zeeble | Azar: ok. if you dont need it, or havent ever used it, you prolly dont need it. yet. |
| 02:39.05 | Azar | ok abrotman, what is java good at? |
| 02:39.06 | zeeble | um. didnt make sense. but whatever. |
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| 02:39.43 | abrotman | markybob: :) |
| 02:39.44 | maxamillion | Azar: http://java.sun.com <--read |
| 02:39.44 | Azar | zeeble: back in my windows days, I tried to keep it as simple as possible. browser, irc, games |
| 02:39.57 | Azar | maxamillion: ok thanks :) |
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| 02:40.02 | maxamillion | Azar: np |
| 02:40.06 | aFlag | hey, how does debian's versioning works? Why did it jump from 3.1 to 4.0 and before that it only jumped from 3.0 to 3.1? |
| 02:40.21 | markybob | aFlag: because etch is *THAT* much cooler |
| 02:40.26 | zeeble | Azar: from your whois, dont tell me you dropped out of gabriel garcia marquez's book |
| 02:42.12 | abrotman | aFlag: versioning is a deep and dark mystery |
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| 02:42.42 | jnsears | maxamillion: trying gij -- xing my fingers |
| 02:42.56 | Azar | ew.. java applets, I allways avoided them |
| 02:43.09 | SerajewelKS | aFlag: you must accept the mandated version number without question! deviants will be shot! |
| 02:43.21 | Azar | zeeble: yep exactly from there |
| 02:43.34 | smacnay | Is there a "testing" or "lenny" key for updates? |
| 02:43.36 | zeeble | Azar: no wonder. 100 years in nowhere will do that to you :p |
| 02:43.37 | Azar | zeeble: my favorite book to the date |
| 02:43.46 | Azar | :) |
| 02:43.51 | jnsears | Azar: if you are interested in java, check this out http://processing.org sort of a beginners wrapper for it |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | smacnay: i don't think so yet |
| 02:43.55 | smacnay | I am getting some "untrusted" sources messages in my update attempts. |
| 02:44.17 | smacnay | abrotman: ok, thanks - for some reason the install of samba is giving me warnings. |
| 02:44.25 | Azar | jnsears: um no... now I remember I used to avoid any kind of java apps back in the windows days.. |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | smacnay: you can just say yes .. :) |
| 02:44.45 | ozymandias | how do i force make to use a different version of GCC than the system default? |
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| 02:44.53 | Azar | jnsears: I am trying to learn and stay with C |
| 02:44.54 | aalex | hi < |
| 02:45.03 | aalex | how shjould I mount a cd on command-line ? |
| 02:45.11 | smacnay | abrotman: thanks - I assumed so but thought I would check. |
| 02:45.40 | Azar | aalex: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | aalex: mount /media/cdrom |
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| 02:45.48 | smacnay | aalex: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hd? /mnt/cdrom |
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| 02:46.05 | smacnay | aalex: what abrotman said |
| 02:46.34 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 02:46.49 | ozymandias | anyone? i need to use the version of gcc i made my kernel with to compile this module, but I have no idea how to do that the "correct" way |
| 02:47.07 | Azar | abrotman: I thought you went with stoned and his date at the pub earlier |
| 02:47.17 | markybob | his date? you mean rahul? |
| 02:47.18 | aalex | abrotman, smacnay : cool. it worked. thanks. very simple |
| 02:47.37 | Azar | markybob: :) yep |
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| 02:47.53 | smacnay | ozymandias: is that about correct? |
| 02:47.55 | Azar | markybob: did you noticed, they go out together lately |
| 02:47.58 | ozymandias | pretty much |
| 02:48.04 | ozymandias | i just like the name ;-) |
| 02:48.13 | abrotman | ozymandias: uname -a ... which version of gc ? |
| 02:48.15 | abrotman | gcc |
| 02:48.19 | ozymandias | 4.0 |
| 02:48.31 | markybob | Azar: freaky |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | gcc --version ? |
| 02:48.36 | ozymandias | 4.1 |
| 02:49.11 | Azar | markybob: at least strange.. but neverthless romantic |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | ozymandias: which kernel version ? |
| 02:49.47 | ozymandias | 2.6.12 |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | and what module are you trying to compile ? |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | 2.6.12 isn't in debian |
| 02:50.07 | Azar | tehee he ment .21 maybe |
| 02:50.09 | ozymandias | b44 -- the bcm4401 driver |
| 02:50.11 | abrotman | no |
| 02:50.16 | abrotman | b44 is in the kernel |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | ozymandias: what is your CPU? |
| 02:50.33 | ozymandias | p4 |
| 02:50.36 | markybob | a paste of cat /proc/version would be interesting |
| 02:50.49 | Azar | ozymandias thinks he is on gentoo or bsd..trying to compile what we already got? |
| 02:50.55 | ozymandias | cant paste that at the moment, comp is lacking a net connection |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | ozymandias: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:51.09 | abrotman | or get the etch netinst |
| 02:51.10 | ozymandias | Azar needed it for some custom software a while back |
| 02:51.19 | Azar | ozymandias: ah |
| 02:51.26 | ozymandias | abrotman no network at the moment |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | in any OS ? |
| 02:52.14 | ozymandias | i DO have the source for the b44, and all i need to do is get "make" to use the correct gcc version so I can start getting things in order |
| 02:52.21 | ozymandias | only 1 OS on that machine |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | but b44 is in that 2.6.12 |
| 02:52.58 | markybob | kernel/drivers/net/b44.ko should be there...built and ready to use |
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| 02:53.28 | abrotman | it was in sarge too IIRC |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | !find b44 sarge |
| 02:53.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'b44' (4 of 30): (/usr/share/games/xbat/Image/bomb44.img) in games/xbat ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/b44.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k6/kernel/drivers/net/b44.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/b44.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.27-3-k7. |
| 02:53.49 | belracu | in case of context switch ... say two process trying to update a same parameter .... how does linux handle this |
| 02:53.56 | abrotman | hey look .. there it is! |
| 02:54.05 | markybob | yeah. this isnt making sense |
| 02:54.41 | abrotman | markybob: it's not even sunday! |
| 02:54.51 | markybob | :) |
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| 02:55.57 | Muisje | I'm soooo stupid |
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| 02:56.04 | Muisje | i forgot what i used as pop3 |
| 02:56.11 | markybob | courier? |
| 02:56.18 | Muisje | thx |
| 02:56.18 | Muisje | :) |
| 02:56.37 | ozymandias | evidently they were not compiled when the last kernel was made |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | that's not the last kenrel |
| 02:58.56 | JochenA | I did the update to etch, running Gnome. I cannot start any program as root when using gksu (used in the menus). |
| 02:58.59 | ozymandias | it's the last one that was put on this box |
| 02:59.04 | JochenA | Has anybody encountered the same problem? |
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| 02:59.43 | JochenA | on a console gnome reports that it cannot authorise the (x-)session. xhost +localhost doesn't help either. |
| 03:00.03 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:00.04 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 03:01.12 | Muisje | it's refusing passwords :| |
| 03:01.14 | JochenA | I think I checked and there was nothing on BTS, I'm checking again right now. Was hoping someone has a hint (might not be a bug as such) |
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| 03:02.12 | draeath | Is there any way to tell aptitude to ACCEPT the sun java licence, without prompting? (and also to not prompt about sun-java5-doc as the file has been placed) |
| 03:02.24 | draeath | i've seen a .deb do so somewhere |
| 03:02.24 | JochenA | I can enter the root pw, but the actual app won't be allowed to start up. |
| 03:02.28 | markybob | Muisje: look at section 12 http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 |
| 03:02.37 | gravity | draeath: You can probably pre-seed it |
| 03:02.48 | draeath | gravity: ? |
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| 03:03.09 | gravity | draeath: I don't know how myself, but you should be able to google it. I bet markybob's link tells you how. |
| 03:03.20 | munkymunkyman | hello |
| 03:03.21 | gravity | draeath: If not, google for debian installer preseed |
| 03:03.52 | abrotman | !preseed |
| 03:03.53 | dpkg | from memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | at least it doesn't say to ask me anymore :) |
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| 03:04.56 | draeath | gravity: that looks like pre-system-installation stuff. The system is up I just can't babysit it while it downloads for half an hour |
| 03:05.07 | abrotman | downloads ? |
| 03:05.14 | draeath | from the mirrors |
| 03:05.17 | abrotman | etch/lenny/sid have java in non-free |
| 03:05.24 | draeath | they are all slow since release, especially now that ubutu uptated too |
| 03:05.25 | abrotman | and i don't think there's a license to agree to |
| 03:05.40 | munkymunkyman | i have a problem with my libgtk and libglib i have installed both through the manual process via ./configure, make, make install and using the .deb's everytime i install and reinstall im still unable to access lib-config or gtk-config like as if it weren't installed how do i make my system recongize these installed files? |
| 03:05.47 | draeath | yes, you need to agree. you also have ti hit enter for sun-java5-doc as it tells you to put the .zip in /tmp as root:root |
| 03:05.51 | markybob | dumbass |
| 03:05.59 | abrotman | hey .... i am not! |
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| 03:06.47 | gravity | draeath: Ah, yeah that's another story. Sorry, I can't help you there. |
| 03:06.50 | munkymunkyman | anyone have an idea? |
| 03:07.00 | draeath | It stores the fact that you accepted somwhere... |
| 03:07.09 | draeath | because you can remove it and later add it again and it will NOT prompt. |
| 03:07.29 | abrotman | you could edit the package |
| 03:07.31 | munkymunkyman | pretty much |
| 03:07.35 | munkymunkyman | how |
| 03:07.42 | draeath | the issue is i cannot babysit while the packages download |
| 03:07.47 | munkymunkyman | im basically just beginning in the linux world |
| 03:07.58 | draeath | the mirrors are all crapped up since etch and feisty |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | draeath: so get the package .. edit it .. use it on all machines ? |
| 03:08.11 | munkymunkyman | oh |
| 03:08.14 | munkymunkyman | not talking to me |
| 03:08.15 | draeath | I can't wait around to download it, or I have to wait another 2 days to have a go |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | munkymunkyman: you need the -dev packages |
| 03:08.29 | draeath | i need to tell apt to install it and be done with it... |
| 03:08.41 | munkymunkyman | i got them |
| 03:08.59 | munkymunkyman | ill try and install again though |
| 03:09.57 | munkymunkyman | do they have them in debs? |
| 03:10.01 | stevepastelan | hello debian gurus |
| 03:10.04 | stevepastelan | I have a silly question |
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| 03:10.32 | stevepastelan | is it possible for me to use different keyboard layouts (namely, cyrillic), if my x server (Xvnc) does not support xkb extensions |
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| 03:11.00 | munkymunkyman | crap it errored |
| 03:11.20 | draeath | anyone have java5 installed? |
| 03:11.33 | draeath | can you tell me how big (and what's in, if its small) /usr/lib/jvm/.java-1.5.0-sun.jinfo |
| 03:11.50 | draeath | i have a feeling that's the 'licence accepted' thingy |
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| 03:12.39 | munkymunkyman | Error: Dependencies is not satisfiable: libglib1.2 |
| 03:12.42 | munkymunkyman | anyone? |
| 03:12.45 | abrotman | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 03:12.49 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 7287 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 03:12.51 | Muisje | markybob after doing that page exactly it's still refusing passwords |
| 03:12.56 | draeath | abrotman: that is not what I asked |
| 03:12.58 | draeath | can you tell me how big (and what's in, if its small) /usr/lib/jvm/.java-1.5.0-sun.jinfo |
| 03:13.11 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 03:13.16 | munkymunkyman | abrotman: Error: Dependencies is not satisfiable: libglib1.2 any clue? |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | i have java installed and don't have that |
| 03:13.40 | draeath | abrotman: odd, its part of sun-java5-bin per packaged.debian.org. Wierd.... |
| 03:13.57 | draeath | er, packages.debian.org |
| 03:14.27 | munkymunkyman | Error: Dependencies is not satisfiable: libglib1.2 |
| 03:14.37 | munkymunkyman | anyone know why that would happen? |
| 03:15.28 | draeath | munkymunkyman: did you install the libglib1.2-dev package? |
| 03:16.00 | munkymunkyman | thats when i get the error |
| 03:16.07 | munkymunkyman | i have the .deb |
| 03:16.12 | draeath | dont use that. |
| 03:16.20 | draeath | aptitude install libglib1.2-dev |
| 03:16.29 | draeath | that will pull the other (millions) of dependencies of that package |
| 03:16.58 | munkymunkyman | can't connect to the server though |
| 03:17.13 | munkymunkyman | i believe its dead |
| 03:17.24 | Vasistha | munkymunkyman: try another server |
| 03:17.27 | draeath | munkymunkyman: are you using http://ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 03:17.37 | munkymunkyman | im using ubuntu |
| 03:17.43 | xoz | poink |
| 03:17.47 | draeath | you should be in #ubuntu |
| 03:17.54 | draeath | ubuntu just had a release |
| 03:17.59 | draeath | so, slow mirrors :) |
| 03:18.07 | munkymunkyman | ubuntu is debian based though isn't it |
| 03:18.09 | markybob | munkymunkyman: dont waste our time anymore |
| 03:18.13 | markybob | !debian based |
| 03:18.14 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:18.16 | adamant1988 | munkymunkyman: it's not that simple. |
| 03:18.26 | munkymunkyman | ok |
| 03:18.28 | munkymunkyman | sorry |
| 03:18.29 | adamant1988 | munkymunkyman: using debian repos on Ubuntu WILL break the system. |
| 03:18.47 | xoz | draeath: i heard they have torrent sites now. |
| 03:18.49 | draeath | munkymunkyman: FYI, ubuntu just released Feisty Fawn - litterally today. the mirrors WILL be slow for a while |
| 03:18.52 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 03:18.53 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 03:19.07 | streuner | the same goes for different distros... |
| 03:19.08 | draeath | xoz: the mirrors will still be loaded from upgreaders, jigdo, people who can't .torrent, etc |
| 03:19.41 | adamant1988 | draeath: you're not kidding |
| 03:20.06 | draeath | heck even the debian mirrors are slow (the same hosts are full up on ubuntu) |
| 03:20.21 | adamant1988 | draeath: several of the Ubuntu mirrors are nearly dead, and the site was actually all-but-taken down by the traffic not long after release |
| 03:20.34 | draeath | i had to change from ftp.us.debian.org back to ftp.debian.org! |
| 03:20.57 | draeath | adamant1988: i can't wait till they put out .torrent releases ONLY for the first week or so, using the mirrors as seeds |
| 03:21.04 | draeath | would be smarter... |
| 03:21.12 | Vasistha | dpkg: no, bobbitt is <reply> Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 03:21.12 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
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| 03:21.15 | adamant1988 | draeath: I can't believe they didn't do that in the first place |
| 03:21.27 | munkymunkyman | so i shouldn't do the aptitude install libglib1.2-dev |
| 03:21.28 | munkymunkyman | ? |
| 03:21.39 | munkymunkyman | because it would hurt my system? |
| 03:21.42 | Vasistha | munkymunkyman: what you shouldn't do is ask ubuntu quesetions in #debian |
| 03:21.43 | draeath | munkymunkyman: have you done anything funny with debian repositories? |
| 03:21.54 | draeath | munkymunkyman: or did you just hop in because apt/aptitude/synaptics wasn't working |
| 03:22.48 | munkymunkyman | im asking my last question because you all just told me it would hurt my system unless install packages for ubuntu only i guess |
| 03:23.00 | munkymunkyman | or will debian packages be ok to us too? |
| 03:23.02 | draeath | munkymunkyman: we need to know if you got a debian .deb or an ubuntu .deb |
| 03:23.17 | streuner | no |
| 03:23.20 | markybob | who cares? he's using debian |
| 03:23.22 | markybob | ubuntu! i mean |
| 03:23.23 | markybob | damn |
| 03:23.32 | munkymunkyman | debian deb |
| 03:23.33 | draeath | did you do anything to a 'repository' configuration? |
| 03:23.43 | munkymunkyman | from the debian.org or what ever it is website |
| 03:23.52 | draeath | please just answer the question |
| 03:24.06 | munkymunkyman | dont know what a repository is |
| 03:24.09 | munkymunkyman | so no i assume |
| 03:24.11 | draeath | OK. |
| 03:24.13 | smacnay | Is the slsc spreadsheet package still around? |
| 03:24.25 | draeath | do NOT install from debian .deb files, they sometimes work but mostly break things |
| 03:24.47 | draeath | install ubuntu .debs or install from synaptic and friends... but that won't work well now because the servers for ubuntu are overloaded |
| 03:25.28 | draeath | other than that, I can only really tell you to seek help in #ubuntu #kubuntu or #xubuntu depending on what you installed |
| 03:25.38 | munkymunkyman | ok |
| 03:25.54 | munkymunkyman | how do i know which is a ubuntu deb and which is a debian deb |
| 03:26.18 | draeath | the place you download it from should state it somwhere. Obviously debian.org has debian .debs :P |
| 03:26.19 | Rusty1 | munkymunkyman: #ubuntu is totally useless right now but #ubuntu-ca might be a place for help |
| 03:26.37 | draeath | munkymunkyman: also try ##linux but its often not as friendly |
| 03:27.12 | streuner | munkymunkyman: in the deb itselfs often are terms like 'debian' or 'ubuntu' |
| 03:27.30 | streuner | munkymunkyman: s/deb/filename/ |
| 03:27.31 | draeath | streuner: are you new to the linux systems? |
| 03:27.46 | munkymunkyman | libgtk2.0-dev_2.8.20-7_i386.deb |
| 03:27.49 | munkymunkyman | ok which is that |
| 03:27.55 | draeath | streuner: i doubt he understands vim :) |
| 03:28.05 | draeath | munkymunkyman: impossible to tell. where did you get it? |
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| 03:28.11 | munkymunkyman | oh i have to vim the file |
| 03:28.16 | draeath | no... |
| 03:28.18 | streuner | munkymunkyman: ok, try apt-cache show <package> then |
| 03:28.18 | draeath | i would not do that |
| 03:28.27 | draeath | munkymunkyman: no.... dont |
| 03:28.43 | draeath | streuner: he downloaded a .deb from somwhere (i think a debian mirror) and he is running ubuntu |
| 03:29.01 | dondelelcaro | if he's running ubuntu, then he needs to ask in #ubuntu for help. |
| 03:29.05 | streuner | it was a general question from him, so don't bother anymore |
| 03:29.10 | draeath | #ubuntu is helpless right now.... |
| 03:29.18 | dondelelcaro | then ask in their forums |
| 03:29.18 | streuner | that's what we told him since 15 minutes |
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| 03:29.35 | munkymunkyman | well |
| 03:29.38 | munkymunkyman | if i used |
| 03:29.41 | draeath | munkymunkyman: just stick to the mirrors (don't download yourself) untill you get comfortable |
| 03:30.19 | munkymunkyman | aptitude install libglib1.2-dev |
| 03:30.26 | munkymunkyman | which deb would that be |
| 03:30.31 | munkymunkyman | debian or ubuntu |
| 03:30.38 | dondelelcaro | munkymunkyman: apt-cache policy libglib1.2-dev; will tell you. |
| 03:30.43 | markybob | you're using ubuntu, so what do you think? |
| 03:30.48 | draeath | munkymunkyman: ubuntu, as it would attempt to find and download that from the mirrors set up in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:31.01 | munkymunkyman | ok |
| 03:31.08 | munkymunkyman | so ill do that from now on |
| 03:31.14 | munkymunkyman | thank you all for your help and info |
| 03:31.15 | draeath | munkymunkyman: downloading and installing a .deb with 'dpkg -i file.deb' bypasses the whole apt system |
| 03:31.24 | draeath | munkymunkyman: if you REALLY need to install a .deb |
| 03:31.41 | draeath | (dont do it for that one) the command is 'dpkg --install /path/to/debfile.deb' |
| 03:31.56 | munkymunkyman | ok |
| 03:31.57 | munkymunkyman | thanks |
| 03:32.03 | draeath | but again, in this case if it even installs it can cause some nasty breakage |
| 03:32.07 | munkymunkyman | sorry for wasting your time |
| 03:32.08 | draeath | you keep both peices :) |
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| 03:32.17 | draeath | munkymunkyman: don't be sorry for asking questions |
| 03:32.22 | munkymunkyman | ok |
| 03:32.26 | munkymunkyman | later everyone |
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| 03:32.58 | draeath | munkymunkyman: good luck Cody :) |
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| 03:35.59 | Muisje | Why isn't courier accepting my passwords? |
| 03:36.32 | draeath | more detail would probably be helpful...' |
| 03:36.35 | sword | Muisje: caps-lock? :) |
| 03:36.50 | Muisje | it's off |
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| 03:37.00 | draeath | cchheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh!! |
| 03:37.06 | sword | haha |
| 03:37.34 | Muisje | ? |
| 03:37.38 | draeath | Did it ever take your password? |
| 03:37.43 | cafuego | courier isn't set up to use pam? |
| 03:37.59 | sword | Muisje: you need more detail... |
| 03:38.01 | Muisje | It worked before on sarge 3.11 @ draeath |
| 03:38.05 | draeath | First things first: Has it ever worked? When was the last time it worked? What has changed since it was working? |
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| 03:38.30 | Muisje | Last time it worked it was running on sarge 3.1 but had to reinstall so i installed etch to be up to date |
| 03:38.39 | Muisje | and now it no longer wishes to accept user passwords |
| 03:38.46 | sword | Muisje: same conf files? |
| 03:38.49 | draeath | Muisje: do they need to be in a paticular group? |
| 03:39.42 | Muisje | i haven't set it up to do so draeath |
| 03:39.46 | Muisje | no sword, new ones. |
| 03:39.53 | Catachan | Hate to post this here but does anyone know anything about initNG? Like specifically whether it will benefit a singlecore computer? |
| 03:40.17 | Muisje | i did exactly what the "perfect setup" tells you to |
| 03:41.32 | Vasistha | Catachan: have you visited their web page? http://initng.thinktux.net/ yes, it should benefit any computer, but of course it's not actually in debian |
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| 03:42.14 | Catachan | I was at www.initng.org |
| 03:42.26 | Catachan | let me check thinktux quickly |
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| 03:44.11 | Catachan | yeah, I have not been able to find if it is for multicore or not |
| 03:44.24 | Catachan | thinktux redirects to their new site also |
| 03:44.51 | sword | Muisje: What's your password store? Anything wierd? |
| 03:45.05 | arkend | which usb printers for debian? |
| 03:45.10 | Muisje | standard sword |
| 03:45.13 | Catachan | oh, and I feel dumb, there was more to what you said, cool, thanks! |
| 03:45.58 | cafuego | arkend: www.linux-printing.org |
| 03:46.04 | streuner | arkend: which printer, almost every printer works in Debian, but problems are with multi-function-systems (not only Debian) |
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| 03:46.55 | streuner | multi-function-systems, printer-scanner systems |
| 03:47.01 | arkend | streuner: oh, those that can act as copier, scanner, fax..., |
| 03:47.11 | streuner | yes |
| 03:47.32 | arkend | streuner: those are difficult to get working in debian? what are the likely problems? |
| 03:47.52 | streuner | some drivers doesn't work at all, a general linux problem |
| 03:47.55 | sword | Muisje: Hmm, checked the courier logs? |
| 03:48.25 | arkend | streuner: you using such type of printer yourself? |
| 03:48.26 | streuner | arkend: if you are going to buy such device, just take a look at groups.google.com first |
| 03:48.34 | streuner | arkend: no... |
| 03:49.20 | arkend | streuner: which google group deals with printers? |
| 03:49.23 | streuner | arkend: the URL from 'cafuego' isn't bad either, they have usually detailed infos about |
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| 03:49.38 | arkend | k |
| 03:49.59 | streuner | arkend: groups.google.com is the new name what deja.com was, its the website for 'usenet' |
| 03:50.41 | arkend | k, i thought u were referring to google discussion groups. |
| 03:51.44 | Muisje | sword can't find them in /var/log :S |
| 03:52.34 | sword | Muisje: That's odd; sure there's not a courier directory? |
| 03:53.25 | Muisje | yes |
| 03:53.34 | Muisje | i tried /cd/var/log/courier |
| 03:53.36 | Muisje | and it failed |
| 03:54.37 | sword | Muisje: have you grepped around in the log files for courier-related info? |
| 03:55.33 | sword | Muisje: just suggestions to help you find the problem, I'm not a courier expert |
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| 03:56.58 | Muisje | can't find anything sword |
| 03:58.47 | sword | Muisje: The courier config files should specify _somewhere_ for the log files... |
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| 04:00.33 | nsx | any of you have any idea why 32-bit firefox wouldn't be able to do dns lookups on a 64-bit system? |
| 04:00.42 | nsx | it worked fine for me last debian install I did |
| 04:01.04 | nsx | works fine if I use a site's ip address in the URL, but then of course I can't click on any links |
| 04:01.29 | nsx | I get no console errors, and libresolv is in /lib32 just like it should be... |
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| 04:02.49 | sword | nsx: reasonable nameservers in resolv.conf? |
| 04:02.59 | nsx | yeah |
| 04:03.06 | nsx | 64-bit iceweasel works justu fine |
| 04:03.13 | nsx | so do all other apps |
| 04:04.03 | markybob | nsx: why are you using 32-bit firefox in a 64-bit system? |
| 04:04.32 | arkend | is something wrong with linux-printing.org, so difficult to access it. |
| 04:04.33 | nsx | because I need java and flash 9 |
| 04:04.47 | markybob | nsx: you can get both. |
| 04:04.52 | markybob | !nspluginwrapper |
| 04:04.52 | dpkg | hmm... nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 04:04.55 | nsx | and blackdown, though it's supposed to work, doesn't, and is really old |
| 04:05.03 | nsx | markybob: no, nspluginwrapper does not support flash 9 |
| 04:05.05 | nsx | look again |
| 04:05.07 | nsx | flash 7 is supported |
| 04:05.12 | nsx | flash 9 is not |
| 04:05.14 | markybob | nsx works fine here |
| 04:05.16 | Muisje | How do i fix timezone? |
| 04:05.28 | Muisje | Cause my machine is like 2 hours ahead |
| 04:05.28 | markybob | Muisje: tzconfig |
| 04:05.33 | nsx | it says it's not supported, so I haven't even bothered |
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| 04:06.11 | Muisje | markybob it's set to the correct timezone yet it thinks it's 2 hours later |
| 04:06.12 | markybob | nsx: there are step by step instructions on that site on how to get flash 9 in your amd64 box. but if you wanna keep messing around with 32-bit not working right, feel free |
| 04:06.15 | Muisje | any idea? |
| 04:06.30 | markybob | Muisje: install ntp ? |
| 04:06.33 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change it so ntp gets the time every minute? |
| 04:06.47 | markybob | GhostlyDeath: add a cron job to /etc/init.d/ntp reload |
| 04:06.56 | Muisje | thx GhostlyDeath |
| 04:07.01 | Muisje | and markybob |
| 04:07.02 | Muisje | :) |
| 04:07.02 | streuner | why every minute? |
| 04:07.17 | GhostlyDeath | streuner: Software clock falls behinf |
| 04:07.26 | pstickne_ | streuner, soft and hard clocks are REALLY FAST :) |
| 04:07.34 | Muisje | ok i'm off |
| 04:07.35 | pstickne_ | GhostlyDeath, but every ... minute? |
| 04:07.42 | Muisje | i'll do the remaining installation monday |
| 04:07.48 | streuner | once a day should be enough |
| 04:07.56 | GhostlyDeath | pstickne_: My software clock fell 30 minutes behind the hardware clock |
| 04:08.03 | GhostlyDeath | HW = Correct, SW = Wrong |
| 04:08.07 | pstickne_ | GhostlyDeath, that's fine -- how long did it take? |
| 04:08.14 | GhostlyDeath | for what? |
| 04:08.23 | nsx | E: Broken packages |
| 04:08.24 | pstickne_ | For the times to get out of sync |
| 04:08.28 | GhostlyDeath | Slowly |
| 04:08.41 | GhostlyDeath | it's like a minute = 61 seconds |
| 04:08.41 | nsx | can't get the package to install anyway |
| 04:08.47 | nsx | let me try apt-get updat'ing |
| 04:08.51 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 04:08.55 | pstickne_ | GhostlyDeath, so, what's wrong with ntp every day? |
| 04:09.04 | GhostlyDeath | after an hour , it falls 30 minutes behind |
| 04:09.14 | pstickne_ | after an HOUR? O.o |
| 04:09.28 | streuner | something should be broken then |
| 04:09.31 | streuner | else* |
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| 04:09.58 | streuner | Are you sure the batterie is still ok? |
| 04:10.01 | GhostlyDeath | HW Read 3:00 while SW said ~2:30 |
| 04:10.07 | GhostlyDeath | No, the hardware is fine |
| 04:10.09 | GhostlyDeath | it's the software |
| 04:10.18 | GhostlyDeath | whatever GNOME does, it doesn't do a good job |
| 04:10.29 | streuner | GhostlyDeath: Checked out BTS yet? |
| 04:10.34 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 04:10.35 | pstickne_ | GhostlyDeath, but what is the rate of separation? (soft time is handled in kernel) |
| 04:10.39 | GhostlyDeath | The SW clock is allready behinf |
| 04:11.01 | GhostlyDeath | it's about 8 second behind |
| 04:11.21 | pstickne_ | Since a reset a minute ago or...? |
| 04:11.34 | GhostlyDeath | couple minutes ago |
| 04:11.41 | nsx | still broken |
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| 04:12.39 | liable | shifting clock is usually kernel related |
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| 04:13.22 | GhostlyDeath | hmm, uptime says "00:06:23 up 2 days, 16:14, 3 users, load average: 0.79, 0.94, 0.81" |
| 04:13.29 | nsx | what about nspluginwrapper packages for people using lenny? |
| 04:13.29 | nsx | heh |
| 04:13.49 | markybob | nsx build the ones from sid sources |
| 04:14.06 | militant | well here's an interesting limitation in linux. i can't seem to get IPS patches for nes/snes roms. this is mildly annoying. |
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| 04:14.26 | nsx | poor baby |
| 04:14.49 | pstickne_ | IPS? |
| 04:14.52 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 04:14.56 | GhostlyDeath | hope WINE doesn't restart linux |
| 04:15.09 | militant | nsx no one asked you, don't bring your drama into this channel too. |
| 04:15.16 | nsx | markybob, it'd still be interesting to know why 32-bit firefox fails on dns requests |
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| 04:15.26 | militant | pstickne_: patches that modify nes/snes games, for user-created levels, etc. |
| 04:15.35 | nsx | when I used 64-bit etch on this laptop, it ran flawlessly |
| 04:15.50 | nsx | so long as I had all the 32-bit gtk libs I needed in /usr/lib32 |
| 04:15.59 | pstickne_ | militant, is it just the patch tool which wont run or ... I don't see how roms are really OS-related if they're all emulated anyway... |
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| 04:16.40 | militant | pstickne_: there's only one patch tool, it's java, clunky, and the resulting roms are unplayable, so my first assumption is it's doing somethign wrong. the windows ips tools work just fine for tons of people. |
| 04:17.11 | nsx | maybe you should stick to windows then... |
| 04:17.37 | militant | nsx: seriously, mind your own business. our squabbles over the years on other networks/channels are really not welcome here. |
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| 04:17.58 | nsx | I know, I'm sure I've been here much, much longer than you have |
| 04:18.20 | nsx | I've been coming here pretty much since opn was formed.. |
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| 04:18.26 | militant | nsx: i don't care how long you've been here. really, grow up. there's nothing further to say. |
| 04:18.50 | nsx | then stop talking! |
| 04:19.03 | indraveni | hi, I want to know how to make a gnome-theme, as default theme in my own built theme |
| 04:19.32 | markybob | indraveni: i'm sure there's a doc on it at art.gnome.org |
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| 04:19.48 | pstickne_ | militant, heh, it's up to you to write one! (ips patch tool) ;)) |
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| 04:20.14 | indraveni | markybob, in debian based distro i want to make it as default theme |
| 04:20.22 | militant | pstickne_: i wish. i don't code, i've forgotten the small bit i used to know |
| 04:20.24 | Teejay__ | I've just installed debian etch running gnome and you have any suggestions on what is a good media and dvd player |
| 04:20.33 | Teejay__ | I was thinking of installing totem |
| 04:20.36 | militant | Teejay__: vlc or mplayer |
| 04:20.43 | militant | and totem is probably already installed. |
| 04:20.43 | streuner | xine |
| 04:20.49 | indraveni | that is, I think that there should be some extra entry in debian package of my own compiled theme |
| 04:20.50 | streuner | ogle |
| 04:21.06 | Teejay__ | I have installed only the core system so far |
| 04:21.13 | markybob | indraveni: ah, i see. install and use sabayon |
| 04:21.14 | nsx | teejay, use xine for dvds, mplayer for everything else |
| 04:21.23 | nsx | add the debian multimedia repository to sources.list |
| 04:21.23 | Teejay__ | ty |
| 04:21.25 | streuner | Teejay__: those have nothing to do with GNOME at all |
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| 04:21.41 | pstickne_ | Teejay__, I used to use vlc then mplayer... but, with exception of mkv's I find that xine does a better job overall. |
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| 04:22.02 | pstickne_ | Teejay__, and xine works great for ... at least ripped dvds ;) |
| 04:22.05 | militant | mplayer is my fallback for everything vlc gags on. *shrug* |
| 04:22.26 | pstickne_ | I use vlc for mkv and things which don't play [well] in xine :p |
| 04:22.44 | nsx | I don't know why anyone would prefer vlc over mplayer.. mplayer allows you to seek so much easier, so it's much better for porn.. it plays way more formats, and it uses far less cpu |
| 04:23.15 | krazykit | mplayer doesn't play some things that vlc does |
| 04:23.16 | pstickne_ | nsx, in my experience of watching rips, vlc does a better job. *shrug* |
| 04:23.18 | krazykit | and vice versa |
| 04:23.20 | nsx | and if you're not using 64-bit debian, it can use windows dll codecs |
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| 04:23.53 | nsx | I've never found anything mplayer can't play without the codecs package |
| 04:24.02 | nsx | and I've had some media in some really obscure formats |
| 04:24.06 | militant | vlc is just comfy for laying in bed and playing star trek episodes. plus it's nice to be able to stream dvd's from the laptop that does have a dvd drive to the tower that doesn't have one, since hte tower has a 24" monitor. |
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| 04:25.01 | markybob | did mplayer ever add dvd menu support? |
| 04:25.02 | nsx | and you can't do that with mplayer, with a pipe over ssh? |
| 04:25.07 | nsx | markybob, not that I know of |
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| 04:25.16 | nsx | that's why I still use xine for dvds |
| 04:25.19 | krazykit | markybob, there were some experimental patches, but they didn't work well |
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| 04:25.36 | militant | nsx: probably, i dunno, never needed to find out, vlc's always set it up and done it for me. |
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| 04:26.03 | markybob | krazykit: that's my only thing against mplayer. ticks me off since i like watching the extras |
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| 04:26.25 | nsx | you can do it, you just have to manually navigate through them |
| 04:26.31 | maxamillion | how might i go about making fonts not look like ass in iceweasel? |
| 04:26.35 | Teejay__ | I'm going to install mplayer and get ogle to watch dvds |
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| 04:26.55 | markybob | nsx yeah, that sounds awesome when i could just load up xine or totem |
| 04:26.56 | nsx | I honestly think xine and vlc are much better for dvds |
| 04:26.58 | Teejay__ | I used it when I was using Fedora Core and it was pretty good |
| 04:27.06 | krazykit | i just watch dvds on my xbox :-) |
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| 04:27.50 | Teejay__ | ty anyway |
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| 04:29.43 | MrJava | Hi I am new for DEBIAN I want to use GUI instler How I can Use it? |
| 04:30.05 | markybob | MrJava: read the install guide |
| 04:30.07 | markybob | !ig |
| 04:30.08 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:31.10 | nsx | markybob, I still 9.0 on the list now, but I don't see java on the compatibility list |
| 04:31.29 | MrJava | Thank you |
| 04:31.29 | nsx | (for nspluginwrapper) |
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| 04:34.53 | militant | heh, never used wine before. |
| 04:34.57 | MaartenLx | I believe the full DVD comes with a graphical installer, am I right? (I just used the NETinstall CD) |
| 04:35.22 | militant | do i just run the executable installer for whatever app i want, with wine? |
| 04:35.33 | nsx | wine foo.exe args |
| 04:35.33 | ozymandias | what is the easest way to find out the gcc version my stock kernel was compiled with? |
| 04:35.42 | nsx | (if any args, that is) |
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| 04:36.07 | MaartenLx | militant: not sure.... I use a Windows box for my Windows apps, and a Linux box for my Linux apps. Never really played with Wine either ;) |
| 04:36.10 | nsx | some file browsers, like nautilus, will let you just click on a .exe, and it's smart enough to automatically run it under wine |
| 04:36.30 | indraveni | markybob, Actually I am creating my own debian based distribution for which I created a new theme, when I install my distribution I want my new theme to become as default theme. Now I am able to see my theme in the theme manager list, but as usual the SImple theme is the default theme now. |
| 04:37.03 | militant | nsx: but to *install* a program. the same? kuz it went thru the installer for my IPS patcher, but it's not showing up under ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/ |
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| 04:37.21 | nsx | yeah |
| 04:37.25 | nsx | did the install fail? |
| 04:37.32 | nsx | nomasteryoda, hola |
| 04:37.46 | nsx | nomasteryoda, where will you be saturday? :) |
| 04:38.07 | nomasteryoda | nsx, wow |
| 04:38.09 | nomasteryoda | hey bud |
| 04:38.10 | militant | the install might have failed, there's nothing indicating so in /tmp though |
| 04:38.33 | militant | it was doing the install, then everything just *quit* |
| 04:38.35 | nsx | it should let you know either at the console, or graphically, that it failed, if it did |
| 04:38.37 | militant | didn't give any errors etc |
| 04:38.39 | nomasteryoda | nsx, the afternoon meeting 2-4 in warner Robins |
| 04:38.43 | nsx | it probably crashed then |
| 04:38.51 | nsx | nomasteryoda: ah, I might try to make it then |
| 04:38.58 | nomasteryoda | cool |
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| 04:39.26 | nsx | I looked up and saw "mc.at.cox.net" in the channel and thought "wtf?" |
| 04:39.38 | maxamillion | nvm ... i figured it out |
| 04:39.40 | nomasteryoda | nsx, you can join the other channel too... #ubuntu-georgia ...if you want |
| 04:39.41 | nomasteryoda | hehe |
| 04:39.42 | ozymandias | how do i figure out the gcc version used for a stock kernel I am running? |
| 04:39.43 | nomasteryoda | ya me |
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| 04:39.59 | militant | nsx, i ran the install again under wine and it said it exited with successful status. but there's still nothing under program files |
| 04:40.20 | duri | I am trying to install etch but am havin problems with the netinst CD . how many of the 16 and some CDs do I have to have to go through a basic install ? |
| 04:40.25 | nsx | a lot of programs just won't run under wine, because it's not complete yet |
| 04:40.38 | nsx | but it's come a long way, and most popular programs these days will work well enough to use |
| 04:41.02 | militant | hmmm wine's sorta fiddled with to support each specific app, right? not just general windows emulation? |
| 04:41.04 | nsx | but trying to emulate the windows api, and all of the calls in all of the .dll files commonly found in windows, isn't an easy task |
| 04:41.31 | militant | kuz all i need it for (so far) is obscure windows rom patchers |
| 04:41.47 | nsx | in a way, but I think "app-specific support" is really nothing more than just emulating all of the system calls and library calls that that particular app uses, properly |
| 04:42.12 | militant | right, so that support extends to other apps that use those same. which over time builds a pretty impressive support base. |
| 04:42.12 | nsx | but these days, you'll find a lot of apps that it doesn't even intend to support, are supported |
| 04:42.13 | militant | hmmm. |
| 04:42.16 | nsx | yes |
| 04:42.31 | militant | i'll try another ips tool. |
| 04:42.56 | nomasteryoda | ips? |
| 04:43.08 | militant | nomasteryoda: for applying patches to old game roms |
| 04:43.23 | militant | btw, hi. been about 7 years. |
| 04:43.33 | nomasteryoda | sometimes installing stuff like internet explorer, fonts and other stuff you get working wine |
| 04:43.38 | nomasteryoda | for other apps |
| 04:43.39 | nsx | I'm stubborn about this.. I won't be satisfied with any flash/java solution other than getting 32-bit firefox working on my laptop |
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| 04:43.48 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 04:43.57 | nsx | I'm not convinced nspluginwrapper can/will work well enough |
| 04:44.10 | nsx | and I know blackdown java is crap |
| 04:44.24 | nsx | and that still leaves me no solution for flash anyway |
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| 04:45.02 | militant | wow, this tool seems to want to run. doesn't require an install ora ntyhing, just pops up and asks for the patch and the rom. |
| 04:45.59 | nsx | if there are a bunch of windows tools out there, it's likely that at least one will work under wine |
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| 04:46.26 | nsx | if you used wine 3-4 years ago, you'd be impressed with its progress |
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| 04:46.55 | nsx | used to be, unless they had made an effort to specifically support an app you wanted to run, which was probably only an older version anyway, you had no hope of anything working well |
| 04:47.12 | militant | i'm wondering though. how well would full windows run in emulation on a k7 1.3ghz with a gig of ram.. |
| 04:47.22 | nsx | it's not emulation, per se |
| 04:47.26 | militant | nsx, i know |
| 04:47.29 | nsx | it's the same x86 assembly code |
| 04:47.33 | militant | i'm wondering about something other than wine |
| 04:47.37 | militant | not for this, not for now |
| 04:47.47 | militant | for later, so i don't have to give up the laptop to the horror of windows 24/8 |
| 04:47.50 | militant | err |
| 04:47.51 | nsx | a vm? try qemu |
| 04:47.52 | militant | 24/7 |
| 04:47.59 | nsx | it runs very well if you have the kernel module working properly |
| 04:48.03 | nsx | very close to native speed |
| 04:48.08 | nsx | the install is very slow, though |
| 04:48.14 | nsx | it won't run with the kernel accelerator |
| 04:48.20 | nsx | only once the system is installed can you load that |
| 04:48.34 | militant | really. that's neat. i'll check into it then, this weekend. i'd *rarely* use it, but it might come in handy. |
| 04:48.49 | nsx | in some benchmark I saw, it even beat vmware in a lot of speed tests |
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| 04:49.07 | nsx | and I wouldn't ever recommend installing vmware, as it can mess a lot of things up |
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| 04:50.54 | militant | couple people i know use vmware just fine, but i'm not familiar enough with the 'newer' aspects of linux to deal with cleaning up a serious breakage.. i'm on etch now, but the last time i ran linux in any serious way was slack 7.1 or so |
| 04:50.57 | tuvwx | is there any certification/training program for debian? that would promote debian for corporate use |
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| 04:52.03 | militant | omg |
| 04:52.04 | militant | it worked. |
| 04:52.13 | militant | the ips patcher worked. wtf. yay |
| 04:52.22 | militant | bbl playing 6 different full-length mario mods |
| 04:52.27 | militant | btw thanks nsx. :) |
| 04:53.05 | nsx | cool |
| 04:53.11 | niru | In repositories where are the udebs kept |
| 04:53.15 | nsx | no problem |
| 04:53.25 | nsx | vmware can work fine, it can just break other things on a linux system... |
| 04:53.37 | nsx | since it tries to provide one installation that'll work with every distro... |
| 04:53.55 | nsx | but that's one of the problems you face with propretiary software on a linux system |
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| 04:54.04 | niru | nsx, any idea |
| 04:54.13 | Desine | what command is needed to see the memory used for each process? |
| 04:54.25 | nomasteryoda | nsx, i have found i can run vmware player with slax.. from a USB key... its just a module and is so cool |
| 04:54.26 | tuvwx | top |
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| 04:55.27 | tuvwx | Desine, 'top' can sort programs according to their memory, swap or virtual memory (both) use |
| 04:55.54 | jrsims | hey, does the ifupdown package come with the ifup and ifdown? or is ifupdown suppoesd to be a program in itself? |
| 04:56.21 | tuvwx | jrsims, dpkg -L ifupdown |
| 04:56.34 | nsx | nomasteryoda, yeah, vmware player is free though |
| 04:56.39 | nomasteryoda | true |
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| 04:56.43 | nsx | but vmware player only works if you already have an install, right? |
| 04:56.57 | tuvwx | jrsims, dpkg -L ifupdown | bin <- better yet |
| 04:56.58 | nomasteryoda | er, not necessarily |
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| 04:57.16 | nomasteryoda | you can use qemu to build an image and run it with vmware-player |
| 04:57.27 | nomasteryoda | the directions are someplace on this interwebtubes |
| 04:57.28 | nomasteryoda | =D |
| 04:57.34 | nsx | oh, I didn't know the two were compatible |
| 04:57.44 | jrsims | k |
| 04:57.50 | nsx | but if you have qemu, why ever use vmware? :p |
| 04:58.01 | nsx | eh I guess vmware supports more things |
| 04:58.07 | nsx | seems to have better usb support |
| 04:58.40 | jrsims | so moving on... I see my wireless card ath0 when I run ifconfig. But how do I connect it to a wap? |
| 04:58.50 | nsx | man iwconfig |
| 04:58.55 | jrsims | tried that |
| 04:59.02 | nsx | iwconfig ath0 essid foobar key whatever |
| 04:59.04 | nsx | will work most of the time |
| 04:59.17 | jrsims | ran the command iwconfig ath0 (and it's an open ap so no key) |
| 04:59.17 | nsx | or wait.. the madwifi drivers have two interfaces, don't they? |
| 04:59.28 | nsx | I only thing one of them works with the standard wireless tools |
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| 04:59.46 | jrsims | well, funny you mention that - I also have a wifi0 interface when I ifconfig |
| 04:59.50 | Desine | im looking at memory with top command it shows 886470k used yet top process shows only 0.1% of memory being used? where is all this other 886mb going? |
| 04:59.50 | nsx | yeah |
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| 04:59.54 | nsx | that's what you have to use |
| 04:59.55 | nsx | wifi0 |
| 05:00.03 | jrsims | so I gotta run iwconfig on that |
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| 05:00.11 | nsx | btw, did you hear about the madwifi vulnerability? |
| 05:00.20 | nsx | make sure you're patched... |
| 05:00.22 | nomasteryoda | Desine, kernel has it "assigned" for use... |
| 05:00.34 | tuvwx | with madwifi use only ath0 with iwconfig |
| 05:00.45 | nsx | really? I thought it was the other way around |
| 05:00.47 | nsx | I can't remember |
| 05:00.51 | nsx | it's been so long since I've used it |
| 05:01.03 | Desine | nomasteryoda, will the kernel give it to another process if it needs it, or will it always keep it for itself? |
| 05:01.08 | nsx | I had to use the other interface with aircrack if I wanted packet injection to work |
| 05:01.11 | nsx | I think.... |
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| 05:01.15 | nsx | it's been over a year |
| 05:01.28 | nomasteryoda | ya |
| 05:01.38 | nomasteryoda | it controls who gets what |
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| 05:01.39 | jrsims | nsx: I think I'm patched. running etch. but now I get an error: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wifi0 ; Invalid argument |
| 05:01.39 | nsx | I have a atheros minipci card, but my laptop won't allow me to boot with it |
| 05:01.44 | nsx | the bios blacklists it |
| 05:01.57 | nomasteryoda | wow |
| 05:02.05 | nomasteryoda | now that is a bad bios |
| 05:02.08 | nsx | jrsims, he might be right.. it might only be ath0 that works |
| 05:02.17 | nsx | nomasteryoda, all hp/compaq laptops do these days |
| 05:02.21 | Desine | nomasteryoda, so if say if a process needed 100mb it will say here you go use mine for a bit then return it? |
| 05:02.27 | nsx | they claim it's to comply with fcc standards |
| 05:02.29 | nsx | but they're full of shit |
| 05:02.33 | jrsims | nsx: I don't get a config error when I run it on ath0 |
| 05:02.41 | nsx | they sell their own marked up atheros minipci cards |
| 05:02.43 | jrsims | nsx: but I don't get a confirm either. |
| 05:02.57 | nsx | jrsims: if you just run "iwconfig ath0" it should show you as connected to the ap |
| 05:03.01 | nomasteryoda | Desine, from my understanding that is what happens... Linux apps go zombie when not doing work... |
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| 05:03.09 | nsx | iwlist ath0 scan should show what aps are accessable, too |
| 05:03.31 | jrsims | nsx: ok, it does - but when I unplug my ethernet, I have no connection |
| 05:03.40 | nsx | dhclient ath0? |
| 05:03.49 | nsx | you have to configure the interface, too |
| 05:03.56 | nsx | through dhcp or ifconfig |
| 05:04.03 | jrsims | ah... |
| 05:04.20 | jrsims | how long should it take? |
| 05:04.42 | jrsims | getting a bunch of DHCPDISCOVER lines |
| 05:04.50 | Desine | nomasteryoda, thanks |
| 05:04.54 | nomasteryoda | np |
| 05:05.10 | jrsims | shit. No DHCPOFFERS received. |
| 05:05.23 | jrsims | wtf |
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| 05:05.34 | nomasteryoda | no encryption? |
| 05:05.38 | militant | this is awesome. i <3 wine for fixing this for me. |
| 05:05.39 | jrsims | nope |
| 05:05.51 | maddash | wireshark it |
| 05:06.30 | brendonjt | hey guys looking at getting a blackberry pda, now will this work with debian ?? |
| 05:06.32 | jrsims | maddash: wireshark is running. now what? |
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| 05:06.52 | maddash | jrsims: capture packets on ath0 |
| 05:07.00 | jrsims | maddash: doing so |
| 05:07.04 | maddash | jrsims: see what's going on |
| 05:07.26 | jrsims | maddash: what should I be looking for? packet capture seems pretty slow. packet here and there every 10 secs or so |
| 05:07.54 | maddash | jrsims: are only dhcpdiscovers are showing up? |
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| 05:08.13 | jrsims | lots of STPs |
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| 05:08.41 | jrsims | mostlu STP, no DHCP |
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| 05:09.17 | maddash | jrsims: no clue what STP is. can't help you there. |
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| 05:09.25 | jrsims | maddash: spanning tree protocol |
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| 05:09.36 | nomasteryoda | jrsims, you trying this without network-manager?? |
| 05:09.45 | nomasteryoda | or knetworkmanager |
| 05:09.56 | nomasteryoda | those "just work" in most cases |
| 05:09.57 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: probably not. should I be? |
| 05:10.04 | nomasteryoda | ya if you are using a gui |
| 05:10.07 | nomasteryoda | gnome or kde |
| 05:10.24 | nomasteryoda | for some odd reason, ubuntu fails to install the gnome version... |
| 05:10.35 | nomasteryoda | mine works very well |
| 05:10.37 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: apt-getting... |
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| 05:10.55 | nomasteryoda | i see all the wireless around me... and can stop/start wifi cards... etc. |
| 05:10.56 | jrsims | still, would be cool to learn the CLI tools, iwconfig is the standard, is it not? |
| 05:11.01 | nomasteryoda | ya |
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| 05:11.19 | nomasteryoda | it is ... but folks have seen that not to work with feisty |
| 05:11.29 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: I'm on etch |
| 05:11.33 | nomasteryoda | ok |
| 05:11.34 | maddash | !hi dpkg |
| 05:11.37 | maddash | !hi |
| 05:11.37 | dpkg | hello, maddash |
| 05:11.38 | nomasteryoda | that is no problem |
| 05:11.47 | maddash | nomasteryoda: this is #debian, isn't it? |
| 05:11.53 | nomasteryoda | it still is the "same" problem |
| 05:11.57 | nomasteryoda | true |
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| 05:12.18 | nomasteryoda | but that worked for me when iwconfig would not on my etch install |
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| 05:12.50 | nomasteryoda | well, time for hay nap |
| 05:12.52 | nomasteryoda | nn |
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| 05:13.18 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: wait |
| 05:13.25 | brendonjt | can any one help me here |
| 05:13.37 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: network manager should be in my gnome menu? apt says it is installed? |
| 05:13.52 | nomasteryoda | try running it |
| 05:13.59 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: I did. command not found. |
| 05:14.00 | nomasteryoda | nm-applet is the command i think |
| 05:14.06 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: aha |
| 05:14.22 | nomasteryoda | brendonjt, ask the question... |
| 05:14.42 | brendonjt | hey guys looking at getting a blackberry pda, now will this work with debian ?? |
| 05:14.46 | jrsims | nomasteryoda: now it just sits lika tard |
| 05:14.49 | tuvwx | /etc/network/interfaces is better than any network manager |
| 05:15.04 | tuvwx | is anyone having problems with madwifi?! |
| 05:15.13 | jrsims | tuvwx: yes! |
| 05:15.24 | tuvwx | jrsims, what is your problem? |
| 05:16.24 | jrsims | tuvwx: well, i got the driver installed and running, I can see my ath0 device with ifconfig, I've run iwconfig ath0 essid my_ap with no errors, yet no connection is being made. also, this is an open ap. |
| 05:16.29 | brendonjt | nomasteryoda, i'm looking at getting a blackberry pda, now will this work with debian ?? |
| 05:16.53 | tuvwx | jrsims, do you see your ap in the output of 'iwlist ath0 scan' ? |
| 05:17.02 | jrsims | tuvwx: yes |
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| 05:17.39 | tuvwx | jrsims, anything in dmesg? |
| 05:18.14 | nomasteryoda | er, as in sync things to/from? |
| 05:18.23 | jrsims | tuvwx: what am I looking for there? |
| 05:18.27 | tuvwx | jrsims, also, do 'ifconfig ath0 up' before the iwconfig command |
| 05:18.31 | nomasteryoda | brendonjt, i would get the Nokia 880 instead |
| 05:18.32 | kenboo | i had to supply noacpi nolapic kind of stuff for bcm43xx wifi |
| 05:18.36 | nomasteryoda | but that is my opin |
| 05:18.37 | tuvwx | jrsims, anything related to ath |
| 05:19.29 | brendonjt | nomasteryoda, i have ione it on a auction, so was hoping it would work will it |
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| 05:20.04 | nomasteryoda | did you search on blackberry forums? |
| 05:20.58 | jrsims | tuvwx: well, iwconfig ath0 tells me that the essid I assigned is there, but also "Access Point: Not-Associated". Mean anything? |
| 05:21.13 | brendonjt | nomasteryoda, not yet but i did use my brain and did a google |
| 05:21.40 | nomasteryoda | ah |
| 05:21.43 | nomasteryoda | good idea |
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| 05:22.06 | tuvwx | jrsims, meaning it's looking for that ap but association is not complete yet. to spead up association you can set the channel as well |
| 05:22.13 | nomasteryoda | RIM is very proprietary... but i know they are in bed with Novell... so it might be supported |
| 05:23.04 | kenboo | brendonjt, is it GPRS ? |
| 05:23.27 | jrsims | tuvwx: yikes |
| 05:23.46 | tuvwx | jrsims, ? |
| 05:23.50 | jrsims | tuvwx: and this will vary by ap? |
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| 05:24.02 | brendonjt | kenboo, GPRS? |
| 05:24.23 | tuvwx | jrsims, the way iwconfig works is that it cycles through channels looking for the ap |
| 05:24.35 | jrsims | tuvwx: it;s been like 30 minutes |
| 05:24.44 | tuvwx | jrsims, can't that take long |
| 05:25.08 | tuvwx | jrsims, 2 min. is convincing |
| 05:25.14 | kenboo | brendonjt, i'm actually connecting to the internet thru my cell phone right now using GPRS service. |
| 05:25.19 | tuvwx | that it won't get any furgher |
| 05:25.24 | tuvwx | further* |
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| 05:25.39 | jrsims | tuvwx: well, it's been going for some time now. I know that much. |
| 05:25.42 | tuvwx | jrsims, you sure the ap doesn't have a MAC filter or some such? |
| 05:25.45 | kenboo | T-Mobile in the US offers free GPRS |
| 05:25.53 | kenboo | tho it's so slow...5kbps.. |
| 05:26.11 | jrsims | tuvwx: yep. but it is running in Managed mode... |
| 05:26.24 | jrsims | tuvwx: should I be running in ad-hoc? |
| 05:26.29 | tuvwx | no |
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| 05:26.52 | K|NgGh0sT | So ya, been having Xorg issues, see my bug filing -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414782 and was just wondering if I should upgrade to experimental for 7.2.0 X, and if so, how do I do that? |
| 05:26.59 | K|NgGh0sT | I really need X |
| 05:27.06 | drako | beryl is kinda buggy on Etch |
| 05:27.22 | brendonjt | kenboo, oh ok http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_6230-1007.php |
| 05:27.51 | jrsims | tuvwx: no mac filtering or anything like that. I have set it up to be open so I could test it with debian. |
| 05:28.25 | tuvwx | jrsims, madwifi works pretty well with wpa here. shouldn't be a problem. i guess we are missing something somewhere |
| 05:29.07 | tuvwx | jrsims, though i don't run iwconfig manually. i use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup |
| 05:29.15 | jrsims | tuvwx: yeah, I'm not sure. you're saying it should be as simple as installing madwifi, then running iwconfig essid my_ap, and that should be it? |
| 05:29.29 | jrsims | tuvwx: can you walk me through that? |
| 05:29.40 | tuvwx | jrsims, how did you install madwifi? |
| 05:30.11 | jrsims | tuvwx: downloaded the source and used some tool - i forget what it was called now, but it built the source and installed it. |
| 05:30.24 | tuvwx | jrsims, i know i have to 'ifconfig ath0 up' before i can do anything useful with madwifi |
| 05:30.38 | tuvwx | jrsims, module-assistant? |
| 05:30.40 | jrsims | tuvwx: should I ifconfig ath0 down it then? |
| 05:30.43 | jrsims | tuvwx: yes! |
| 05:30.48 | tuvwx | good |
| 05:31.17 | tuvwx | jrsims, try 'ifdown ath0' then 'ifconfig ath0 up' and then iwconfig.. |
| 05:31.36 | tuvwx | jrsims, make sure your ap is listed in iwlist before you do iwconfig essid |
| 05:31.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:31.58 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd165 is <jethro> SerajewelKS: but I'd bame idiocy rather than unstable |
| 05:31.59 | jrsims | tuvwx: |
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| 05:32.55 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: that bug is marked as being fixed in unstable, not experimental |
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| 05:35.33 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok weird, not my router is not visible, though it was a few minutes ago... |
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| 05:35.56 | jrsims | tuvwx: and now it appears again... |
| 05:36.02 | tuvwx | jrsims, that's normal |
| 05:36.06 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok |
| 05:36.31 | jrsims | tuvwx: so now, just iwconfig essid my_ap? |
| 05:36.32 | tuvwx | jrsims, just always make sure it's listed before you try to associate |
| 05:36.38 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok |
| 05:37.37 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok, ran that, no error, but no message either. |
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| 05:37.47 | tuvwx | jrsims, that should do it. btw, did you try 'iwconfig ath0 essid any' ? |
| 05:38.20 | jrsims | tuvwx: right, I mistyped. ok, so now I did iwconfgi aht0 and it shows a mac for my access point! |
| 05:38.36 | tuvwx | jrsims, great.. that's it |
| 05:38.41 | jrsims | tuvwx: nice! |
| 05:38.53 | jrsims | tuvwx: now if I unplug my ethernet, it should work? |
| 05:39.13 | tuvwx | jrsims, that's the MAC setup only. you still need to setup ip |
| 05:39.18 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok |
| 05:39.23 | tuvwx | dhcp or static...etc |
| 05:39.33 | jrsims | tuvwx: how do i do dhcp? |
| 05:39.40 | tuvwx | dhclient ath0 |
| 05:40.03 | tuvwx | jrsims, you can setup all this in /etc/network/interfaces so that you don't need to do any of it manually |
| 05:41.04 | jrsims | tuvwx: yeah, but I learn better this way! |
| 05:41.37 | jrsims | tuvwx: and I would use the procedures in man wireless to show me how to do that, right? |
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| 05:42.38 | jrsims | tuvwx: alright, ran dhclient ath0, and it looks like it has an ip. can I unplug now? |
| 05:42.56 | tuvwx | jrsims, basically yes. docs for wireless setup in the interfaces file has moved a number of times that i lost track where is the most complete chuck. but yeah man wireless is a good start |
| 05:43.12 | tuvwx | jrsims, yes. you can double check with 'route' |
| 05:43.27 | jrsims | man route... |
| 05:44.06 | jrsims | tuvwx: shoot. what do I do with route? |
| 05:44.40 | tuvwx | jrsims, it lists the active routes. it should say that ath0 has a default gateway |
| 05:45.12 | tuvwx | jrsims, Destination: default -- Use Iface: ath0 |
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| 05:46.01 | jrsims | tuvwx: sweet. I have that. |
| 05:46.10 | tuvwx | jrsims, you're all set |
| 05:46.25 | jrsims | tuvwx: ok, unplugging! If I drop out, you know how that went. ;) |
| 05:47.15 | tuvwx | jrsims, if you drop out then it's your isp.. you can't go wrong after this |
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| 05:48.58 | maddash | tuvwx: he's disconnected. |
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| 05:49.25 | maddash | tuvwx: see :) |
| 05:49.37 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: heh. |
| 05:49.48 | jrsims_ | my irssi crapped out |
| 05:49.49 | black_13 | are there two different drivers for ati gpus? |
| 05:50.03 | jrsims_ | but I was still online |
| 05:50.08 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: thanks a lot man |
| 05:50.44 | jrsims_ | maybe in a few minutes I'll get my nick back |
| 05:50.56 | maddash | black_13: yes. |
| 05:51.34 | tuvwx | jrsims, ! |
| 05:51.50 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: try jrsims_ |
| 05:52.08 | tuvwx | jrsims_, what did you do to jrsims ? |
| 05:52.19 | vn | how comes I have apache 2 on my debian system and I can't apt-get remove apache2? |
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| 05:52.35 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: lost my session when I unplugged. networking still works though. irssi did not. |
| 05:52.41 | maddash | vn: dpkg -l|grep -i apache|less |
| 05:52.49 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: but I'm wireless now |
| 05:53.10 | tuvwx | jrsims_, yeah.. irc is sensitive to connection loss |
| 05:53.37 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: I'm just so pumped right now. been trying to figure this out for a couple days. |
| 05:53.38 | vn | maddash: gotcha, thx |
| 05:53.38 | tuvwx | jrsims_, maybe because you changed your ip |
| 05:53.51 | jrsims_ | tuvwx: yeah, prolly it. my ath0 has a diff ip |
| 05:54.13 | daya | any one has idea about active and passive ftp |
| 05:54.15 | daya | http://paste.debian.net/26058 |
| 05:54.27 | daya | I have some problem |
| 05:54.32 | jrsims_ | does gnome have a "tile windows" feature? |
| 05:54.55 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, would a move to unstable fix this? |
| 05:55.45 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: i wouldn't recommend moving to unstable |
| 05:55.53 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: does this happen with the free driver? |
| 05:56.01 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah |
| 05:56.05 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: this is apparantly a regression, can you use the version before the regression? |
| 05:56.14 | K|NgGh0sT | not sure how |
| 05:56.41 | stew | then you definately don't want unstable |
| 05:57.07 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you really get the same exact error if you use the free drivers as with the non-free drivers? |
| 05:57.13 | jetscreamer | Preparing to replace dbus 1.0.2-3 (using .../archives/dbus_1.0.2-4_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:57.13 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/dbus: line 57: [: too many arguments |
| 05:57.20 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 05:57.23 | stew | sweet |
| 05:57.46 | K|NgGh0sT | wait, I use the non free |
| 05:57.54 | K|NgGh0sT | by free you mean "nv" right? |
| 05:58.02 | jetscreamer | jrsims: not that i ever found.. there must be one though |
| 05:58.16 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: yes |
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| 05:58.37 | alaya | hello |
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| 05:58.46 | K|NgGh0sT | NV wont load |
| 05:58.47 | jetscreamer | Preparing to replace xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:1.2.0-3 (using .../xserver-xorg-video-nv_1%3a2.0.2-1_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:58.55 | stew | jetscreamer: "if [ -e $PIDFILE ]; then" ? |
| 05:59.07 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
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| 05:59.16 | jetscreamer | still updating |
| 05:59.19 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: why won't NV load? |
| 05:59.55 | jetscreamer | well it didn't bitch that dbus didn't install, so i guess it did |
| 06:00.35 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, lemme get logs |
| 06:01.23 | stew | heh, installing mediawiki somehow pulls in xpdf |
| 06:01.48 | stew | that will really come in handy on my server that is thousands of miles away |
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| 06:02.49 | K|NgGh0sT | http://pastebin.ca/449415 |
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| 06:04.19 | jetscreamer | omfg did they fu 2.6.20 or what |
| 06:04.33 | jetscreamer | i now have scsi disks |
| 06:04.49 | jetscreamer | wow i didn't know a new kernel could do so much |
| 06:04.57 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:04.59 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 06:05.16 | maddash | jetscreamer: what's your damage? |
| 06:05.21 | K|NgGh0sT | crack |
| 06:05.29 | K|NgGh0sT | It does that |
| 06:05.31 | jetscreamer | no it uses initrd |
| 06:05.40 | jetscreamer | i installed 2.6.20 .deb and no boot |
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| 06:05.51 | markybob | no boot isnt very detailed |
| 06:05.54 | jetscreamer | it seems to think i have scsi now |
| 06:05.56 | maddash | jetscreamer: self compiled? |
| 06:06.15 | jetscreamer | no, from sources... the one i compiled works flawlessly |
| 06:06.33 | jetscreamer | aka this one |
| 06:07.04 | markybob | jetscreamer: bts, then. |
| 06:07.18 | jetscreamer | it detected lots of scsi disks, loaded some other stuff, but when it came time to mount / ... |
| 06:07.32 | jetscreamer | hda transformed into sda |
| 06:07.37 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: the only error i see there is with loading glx |
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| 06:07.55 | jetscreamer | heh and i don't even have my 2nd controller card installed |
| 06:07.59 | markybob | jetscreamer: probably just scsi emulation for your ide dvd/cd. that's actually good |
| 06:08.11 | stew | markybob: huh? why is that good? |
| 06:08.21 | jetscreamer | it would be, imo... if the kernel would boot, or find / rather |
| 06:08.28 | jetscreamer | i like new/cool |
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| 06:09.03 | jetscreamer | anyway, no biggie... i've been forced to compile my own before.. good thing i was already forced to if i wanted 2.6.20 and nvidia |
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| 06:09.19 | stew | jetscreamer: use LABELS for root= and fstab if your aren't already, it makes you less prone to errors related to device name changes |
| 06:09.20 | jetscreamer | maybe next version |
| 06:09.38 | jetscreamer | yeh labels or uuid |
| 06:09.40 | stew | jetscreamer: like instead of root=/dev/hda ; use root=LABEL=/ ; use e2label to create the labels |
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| 06:09.55 | jetscreamer | uuid gets long in fstab though |
| 06:10.03 | hon | how can I install a ttf font for latex locally? are there automized tools or I have to go through the entire process by hand? |
| 06:11.06 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: commend out the 'Load "glx"' line from your xorg.conf and try again |
| 06:11.09 | hon | and if it is automized, which packages are needed? |
| 06:12.12 | jetscreamer | msttcorefonts, or would that not do the latex configging |
| 06:12.39 | jetscreamer | i barely know what latex is besides my favorite suit... |
| 06:12.49 | damn | lol |
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| 06:15.10 | jetscreamer | oh. some new ata thing in the kernel |
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| 06:15.34 | jetscreamer | must be the culprit (or could be) |
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| 06:16.11 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a setting to force that... maybe whoever kernel guy is did that |
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| 06:25.50 | felixelgato | what does measdn a dmesg : NO MATCHING DEVICE SECTION FOR INSTANCE ( BUSID PCI :1:0:1 ) found |
| 06:26.08 | felixelgato | where can i specify BUSID PCI :1:0:0 ( not 1 ) |
| 06:26.17 | jetscreamer | in xorg.conf |
| 06:26.21 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 06:26.21 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:26.42 | jetscreamer | felixelgato: agp? |
| 06:27.07 | felixelgato | i ve seen some agp modules loades .. mm yes |
| 06:27.08 | jetscreamer | when you drxx tell it 1:0:0 not :1:0:0 |
| 06:27.20 | jetscreamer | felixelgato: do you have agp or pci-e/x |
| 06:27.27 | jetscreamer | or pci |
| 06:27.32 | jetscreamer | or isa |
| 06:27.43 | jetscreamer | for a vidcard |
| 06:27.55 | jetscreamer | if agp tell it 1:0:0 |
| 06:28.14 | jetscreamer | if not agp tell it something different |
| 06:28.40 | felixelgato | agp .. must be 1:0:0 but dont know where tried to looad 1:0:1 |
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| 06:29.42 | K|NgGh0sT | My apg card is BusID "PCI:2:0:0" |
| 06:29.48 | jetscreamer | usually, unless you have two vid cards, you can leave that out and it will autodetect... doesn't seem to be doing that for you |
| 06:29.53 | kryptoz | Hi guys how do i find python-sqlite source ? |
| 06:29.58 | jetscreamer | then yours is wrong i think |
| 06:30.03 | K|NgGh0sT | mine works |
| 06:30.08 | K|NgGh0sT | yours doesnt :) |
| 06:30.11 | jetscreamer | mine does |
| 06:30.15 | jetscreamer | his doesn't |
| 06:30.24 | K|NgGh0sT | well then |
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| 06:30.50 | maddash | kryptoz: http://www.google.com |
| 06:31.04 | jetscreamer | maybe pdo |
| 06:31.40 | jetscreamer | K|NgGh0sT: ati? |
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| 06:31.46 | stew | felixelgato: unless you have more than one card, leave busid blank |
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| 06:32.10 | felixelgato | i have just one |
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| 06:32.33 | K|NgGh0sT | nvidia |
| 06:32.34 | gpm | !hi |
| 06:32.35 | dpkg | hello, gpm |
| 06:33.06 | gpm | oh no, dpkg hates me |
| 06:33.37 | damn | !gpkg |
| 06:33.37 | dpkg | i heard gpkg is at http://www.gnupdate.org/components/gpkg/index.xml |
| 06:33.37 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice gpm |
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| 06:33.45 | gpm | nooooooooooooooo |
| 06:33.52 | lamer007 | heh when talking about nvidia, whats the best file to put parameters for modprobe nvidia ? like #options nvidia NVreg_SoftEDIDs=0 NVreg_Mobile=3 |
| 06:34.17 | jetscreamer | in /etc/modules.conf iirc, but i forget |
| 06:34.34 | jetscreamer | i've done it to enable fast writes, but i forget |
| 06:34.41 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm not the right person to talk to, I broke my xorg with nvidia drivers |
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| 06:35.11 | gpm | 0p70m1z3d |
| 06:35.21 | gpm | i just go with the defaults |
| 06:35.38 | gpm | i need a new card though |
| 06:35.48 | gpm | i can't enjoy any of the new eye candy |
| 06:35.50 | superlinux | hi . i am using debian etch. what is the command line tool to config the network card? i remeber there was etherconf. |
| 06:35.55 | jetscreamer | oh i think it was /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 06:36.00 | superlinux | i cant find etherconf |
| 06:36.05 | gpm | superlinux: well, there's ifconfig |
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| 06:36.32 | gpm | superlinux: but read the man page first |
| 06:36.42 | superlinux | well cos it does the networking folder configuration |
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| 06:36.54 | jetscreamer | K|NgGh0sT: usually when you install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev and linux-headers-`uname -r` the nvidia-installer functions well |
| 06:37.07 | superlinux | for start up scripts |
| 06:37.37 | jetscreamer | !folder |
| 06:37.38 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 06:37.53 | K|NgGh0sT | jetscreamer, it does |
| 06:38.00 | K|NgGh0sT | cept when you get a well known bug |
| 06:38.04 | K|NgGh0sT | that no one wants to fix |
| 06:38.16 | jetscreamer | what bug |
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| 06:38.37 | K|NgGh0sT | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414782 |
| 06:38.44 | K|NgGh0sT | they apparently patched it |
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| 06:38.49 | K|NgGh0sT | but never included it in etch |
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| 06:39.58 | jetscreamer | what does one use int10 for |
| 06:40.09 | jetscreamer | televisions? |
| 06:40.16 | K|NgGh0sT | I would assume so |
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| 06:40.42 | K|NgGh0sT | but I never had to say I was using a television in past Xorg and Nvidia cases, It just automattically went to svidio |
| 06:40.53 | K|NgGh0sT | I assumed it was always TV Out |
| 06:40.56 | K|NgGh0sT | hardware wise |
| 06:41.07 | Avochelm | when apt compares differences between config files it does it between installed version / new version. it would be good if it also did old version / installed version, so that you can determine what changes you made to the original version in the first place. |
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| 06:41.48 | jetscreamer | i've done the tvout thing |
| 06:41.51 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 06:42.19 | jetscreamer | int10 loads i 'guess' |
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| 06:44.03 | markybob | Avochelm: email yourself notes with the details you need to be able to find it easily and configure things. that's what i do. a quick gmail search and i'm good |
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| 06:49.02 | happy_broccoli | http://www.digg.com/general_sciences/Robert_Bussard_Electrostatic_Fusion_contract_renewed_by_the_Navy |
| 06:50.17 | roxy_ | Hi, I am trying to use logrotate. I want all the file to be rotated on a daily basis, compressed the one older than a week deleted. My /etc/logrotate.d/jboss is: http://pastebin.ca/449467 |
| 06:51.26 | Avochelm | does debian keep package maintainers' default config files somewhere in the local filesystem? |
| 06:51.55 | roxy_ | nothing happen by it self(with cron) and when I try from command line I get: http://pastebin.ca/449470 (none are considered for rotating). |
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| 06:52.36 | roxy_ | I was expecting to have all file from today untouched, the one from today-1 ~ today -6 compressed and all others deleted. |
| 06:52.47 | roxy_ | What did I get wrong ? |
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| 06:53.16 | ktwilight | Avochelm, apparently no, the last time i asked a very similar question. or rather it's hidden away somewhere |
| 06:53.52 | roxy_ | Avochelm: dpkg-reconfigure should ask you if you want to use it ? |
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| 06:54.48 | hermuli | is there a way to close all mysql connections running longer than an hour or so from a command line? |
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| 06:55.02 | hermuli | i bet there is, but what that might be? |
| 06:55.04 | Elive_user | ls |
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| 07:07.38 | lamer007 | hey guys any clue why Im missing modules.conf ? It doesnt get generated even with update-modules --force |
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| 07:09.10 | Nemoder | update-modules - obsolete command |
| 07:10.00 | cydork | !test |
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| 07:19.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:19.12 | dpkg_ | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
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| 07:22.45 | cydork | na without backup i feel like living on the edge! :) |
| 07:24.12 | rissy | is it the splash screen that is displayed when you first turn your box on, or is that the screen when you login? |
| 07:24.29 | rissy | how do i change all that random black / white text into an image when i turn my debian box on? |
| 07:25.46 | rissy | oh, it's the usplash i see |
| 07:26.20 | cydork | there is splashy too, though i dont know the current status.. |
| 07:26.24 | cydork | !splashy |
| 07:26.24 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 07:26.44 | rissy | cheers! |
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| 07:44.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:44.12 | dpkg_ | [qotd103] <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
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| 07:47.14 | Vasistha | hahaha, that's pretty damn funny |
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| 07:47.40 | cydork | heh |
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| 07:51.00 | damn | ha |
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| 07:53.26 | lamer007 | hey guys any reason why Im missing /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 07:53.44 | lamer007 | and cant create it with update-modules --force ? |
| 07:54.24 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 07:54.24 | dpkg_ | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:54.53 | rahul | date who? |
| 07:54.54 | markybob | rahul: ...i was told you had a 'date' with stoned? wtf was that about? |
| 07:55.06 | rahul | oh tonight? |
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| 07:55.21 | cydork | o.0 |
| 07:55.34 | rahul | remoind heim to cikem harely |
| 07:55.37 | michiel--- | how can i use adduser to add user without shell access |
| 07:55.39 | rahul | ot3 uo |
| 07:55.42 | markybob | heh |
| 07:55.55 | michiel--- | --shell /dev/null ? |
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| 07:56.27 | rahul | fuck |
| 07:56.32 | rahul | tell him to call me |
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| 07:56.42 | rahul | I didn't get him a ticket |
| 07:56.47 | cydork | michiel---: /bin/false? |
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| 07:57.32 | stew | i was totally defeated this evening, it seems to be impossible for me to run apache + php5, any pages with php cause the apache process to segfault |
| 07:57.40 | quitte_ | lamer007: uhm man update-modules |
| 07:57.43 | rahul | /dev/arse |
| 07:57.47 | michiel--- | cydork: so --shell /bin/false should work? |
| 07:57.50 | stew | like even simply <?=phpinfo()?> |
| 07:57.54 | cydork | michiel---: yep |
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| 07:57.57 | markybob | rahul: i really dont know what ticket you're talking about. i purposefully stopped paying attention to azar when he was talking about it |
| 07:57.59 | rahul | stew: hrm |
| 07:57.59 | xjkx | is there a linux software that converts to AMV ? i think mencoder doesnt :> |
| 07:58.02 | lamer007 | quitte_, ? nothing helped |
| 07:58.07 | rahul | azar? |
| 07:58.11 | rahul | wait |
| 07:58.13 | markybob | rahul: he's the one who brought it up |
| 07:58.14 | stew | php4 works fine, php5 works fine with apache2 |
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| 07:58.22 | rahul | HOW many people am I bringing? |
| 07:58.22 | quitte_ | lamer007: the command is obsolete. what are you trying to do? |
| 07:58.35 | rahul | stew: figure this shit out |
| 07:58.41 | lamer007 | quitte_, Im trying to generate /etc/modules.conf |
| 07:58.46 | markybob | rahul: i really dont know anything more. |
| 07:58.47 | lamer007 | quitte_, since I dont have one |
| 07:58.54 | markybob | lamer007: you dont need one. use the modutils dir |
| 07:58.56 | stew | its going to have to wait for the weekend. i have to go to bed, and i can't take the site down turn business hours |
| 07:58.59 | quitte_ | lamer007: why? what is your actula poblem? |
| 07:59.00 | rahul | damn it. I;m drunk' |
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| 07:59.05 | rahul | my bar got me wasted |
| 07:59.07 | Vasistha | stew: I didn't think <?=phpinfo()?> was valid syntax anyway :P |
| 07:59.16 | lamer007 | quitte_, need to put some parametres for nvidia module to be modprobed with |
| 07:59.16 | stew | Vasistha: of course it is |
| 07:59.20 | markybob | rahul: heh :) glad you're having a good time, though. |
| 07:59.23 | quitte_ | lamer007: ah. |
| 07:59.26 | rahul | heheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 07:59.27 | stew | Vasistha: and that works with php4-cli |
| 07:59.38 | stew | err and php5-cli |
| 07:59.39 | rahul | and I got smpoked |
| 07:59.40 | michiel--- | adduser --shell /bin/false --no-create-home djoosen djoosen |
| 07:59.40 | michiel--- | adduser: The user `djoosen' does not exist. |
| 07:59.41 | rahul | smokes |
| 07:59.47 | rahul | oooo and 4/20 |
| 07:59.48 | Vasistha | stew: huh. I had the impression that the short <?= was just for echoing, not for actually using functions. huh, interesting. |
| 07:59.50 | stew | rahul: english only in here |
| 07:59.53 | quitte_ | lamer007: man modprobe.d |
| 07:59.59 | lamer007 | quitte_, not sure how to do it on debian, on other distro I have /etc/modules.d/ where sits nvidia where I can put those options ... |
| 08:00.02 | tarzeau | what's wrong if ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work anymore on etch xorg? |
| 08:00.03 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.07 | michiel--- | cydork: what's wrong? |
| 08:00.08 | stew | Vasistha: it prints the result of the phpinfo() function call |
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| 08:00.16 | stew | rahul: rot26 only in here |
| 08:00.32 | markybob | lamer007: create /etc/modutils/nvidia and put whatever you want in there. then update-modules. the end. |
| 08:00.52 | quitte_ | markybob: except that it should be modprobe.d |
| 08:00.52 | rahul | someone bought me a drink tomight |
| 08:00.59 | lamer007 | markybob, so update-modules isnt supposed to generate modules.conf any more ? |
| 08:01.03 | rahul | I better get to bed |
| 08:01.05 | Vasistha | stew: well, at any rate ... pretty lame :P What's the reason not to run apache2, anyway? |
| 08:01.07 | markybob | lamer007: no |
| 08:01.12 | cydork | michiel---: adduser --shell /bin/false --no-create-home djoosen |
| 08:01.29 | rahul | I think a few girls hit on me |
| 08:01.30 | michiel--- | cool thx |
| 08:01.33 | michiel--- | that works |
| 08:01.43 | cafuego | rahul: No, that was a homeless guy throwing up |
| 08:01.49 | markybob | lamer007: i did get the dir wrong, though. quitte_ is right |
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| 08:02.02 | stew | Vasistha: i'll probably work on migrating it this weekend. its on apache becuase of inertia. its a big scary set of mod_rewrite that is serving 50 or so sites |
| 08:02.03 | rahul | HEH |
| 08:02.05 | lamer007 | so create /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia ? |
| 08:02.07 | rahul | cafuego: thanks |
| 08:02.11 | rahul | I needed a laugh |
| 08:02.12 | cafuego | SO welcome ;-) |
| 08:02.15 | markybob | lamer007: yeah |
| 08:02.20 | rahul | after all these gorls playede games |
| 08:02.20 | lamer007 | ok thanks |
| 08:02.50 | Supaplex | besides the absence of hardware, what's the difference between a serial console, and a psuedo terminal? (pts) |
| 08:02.52 | Vasistha | xjkx: have you asked #mplayer ? If mencoder can't, the mplayer people are likelier to know of an encoder than we are :P |
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| 08:03.03 | markybob | rahul: what's the trick? just get them drunk enough? usually when i get them to that point, they puke and pass out and i *still* get none ;) |
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| 08:03.15 | rahul | markybob: huh? |
| 08:03.21 | rahul | they get ME drunk |
| 08:03.24 | Vasistha | stew: wow, man, well, I hope it all goes smoothly! |
| 08:03.27 | rahul | or their coworkers do |
| 08:03.31 | stew | i think the trick is probably not to try to trick them into liking you |
| 08:03.37 | jaski | [A[B[B |
| 08:03.39 | rahul | stew: yeah |
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| 08:05.35 | michiel--- | ChanServ |
| 08:05.42 | michiel--- | cydork: how can i remove a user |
| 08:05.43 | michiel--- | ? |
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| 08:05.59 | cydork | michiel---: man deluser |
| 08:06.04 | rahul | stew: this girl in park slope fed me tonight |
| 08:06.12 | stew | hah, yeah, its worse than that. its got 100 websites running off the same apache, with not a single virtual host defined, all done via mod_rewrite :) probably one of my better monstrosities |
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| 08:06.28 | rahul | she really wants me to marry her |
| 08:06.39 | rahul | really it's for the papers |
| 08:06.44 | rahul | I hope |
| 08:06.54 | quitte | is lenny a chracter from toy story? |
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| 08:07.04 | markybob | yes |
| 08:07.05 | cydork | rahul: run! NOW!! |
| 08:07.07 | Vasistha | michiel---: and of course, there's also userdel ;-) |
| 08:07.11 | streuner | hm, a NEW "stoned" rahul? ;-) |
| 08:07.12 | rahul | I already ran |
| 08:07.13 | quitte | markybob: which one is it? |
| 08:07.18 | markybob | rahul: isnt that a 3 year thing? |
| 08:07.20 | rahul | streuner: not uet |
| 08:07.20 | stew | rahul: you might as well do it know while your drink |
| 08:07.23 | markybob | quitte: binos, i think |
| 08:07.24 | rahul | markybob: I dunnno |
| 08:07.26 | stew | quitte: the binoculars |
| 08:07.28 | quitte | i still would have loved rc buggy |
| 08:07.32 | quitte | ah thanks |
| 08:07.44 | rahul | quitte: debian RC RC1 |
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| 08:07.58 | rahul | hmm |
| 08:08.00 | stew | "the new debian stable is rc buggy" |
| 08:08.01 | Vasistha | stew: well, you brought it on yourself, right? :P slow growth and poor planning conspire to create a difficult situation a few years down the line... |
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| 08:08.09 | streuner | rahul: "Shaw" said, "marry" is good for women, but bad for men" |
| 08:08.09 | rahul | so many women tonight |
| 08:08.19 | rahul | YES |
| 08:08.25 | rahul | streuner: so true |
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| 08:08.39 | markybob | rahul: i feel so sorry for you |
| 08:08.44 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:09.00 | stew | Vasistha: no, this is actually going to make it easier, its all actually handled very generically. and the way it worked out, i can add new sites just by copying a skel directory |
| 08:09.06 | rahul | cydork: I feel sorry for her tooo |
| 08:09.13 | cydork | rahul: :P |
| 08:09.17 | rahul | I do |
| 08:09.21 | rahul | poor girl |
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| 08:09.51 | rahul | I want to sing beautiful to her |
| 08:09.59 | rahul | the one by jodrop, not BFZ |
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| 08:10.09 | rahul | but BFZ rawks |
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| 08:10.18 | rahul | they get me so many girls |
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| 08:11.09 | clars | what arhitetur can I install on my laptop IBMr51 ? |
| 08:11.22 | rahul | shit |
| 08:11.27 | fengor | ix86 i suppose clars |
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| 08:11.42 | streuner | !laptops |
| 08:11.42 | Vasistha | clars: what kind of processor does it have? probably i386 |
| 08:11.42 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 08:11.48 | rahul | speaking f which the girl I was with otnight was supposed to give me the SoL shit back |
| 08:11.49 | clars | i386 wil do then? |
| 08:12.02 | xjkx | how can i convert from avi to AMV ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMV_video_format |
| 08:12.05 | fengor | yes |
| 08:12.24 | xjkx | mencoder/ffmpeg are out :> |
| 08:12.34 | tarzeau | xjkx: maye with mplayer/mencoder, yes gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
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| 08:12.44 | xjkx | it doesnt i think ;/ |
| 08:13.01 | xjkx | the people on #mplayer didnt even know this format |
| 08:13.28 | Vasistha | xjkx: ...so what makes you think we would know it? |
| 08:13.44 | tarzeau | xjkx: what says file about your amv? |
| 08:13.50 | rahul | it's even more complicated when another girl is flirting with you on the pjhone while your'e at that other girl's plce |
| 08:14.12 | streuner | clars: can you read german? |
| 08:14.14 | markybob | rahul: i dont know how you havent killed yourself yet |
| 08:14.15 | rahul | thius OTHER one wants me to grow my hair long and have her brother cut my hair |
| 08:14.36 | xjkx | Vasistha, you guys knows everything :> tarzeau i havent tried, will catch it later and check it, but i think it will say "amv file" :> |
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| 08:14.38 | clars | streuner, no - but maybe I can try |
| 08:14.45 | tarzeau | markybob, rahul geee |
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| 08:15.07 | Vasistha | xjkx: did you try the links on the wikipedia page? |
| 08:15.07 | rahul | waa |
| 08:15.14 | gustavo | hi, i need some help with kernel compilation, can someone help? |
| 08:15.15 | rahul | she should send me nekkid pix |
| 08:15.29 | tarzeau | gustavo: using make-kpkg ? |
| 08:15.36 | rahul | gustavo: got nekkid pix of my girls? |
| 08:15.44 | gustavo | just a simple question: even if a compile a kernel for amd64, the image will be generate at /arch/i386/boot ? |
| 08:15.48 | rahul | any of them, really. thjere's like 5 of them |
| 08:15.52 | streuner | clars: one german spoke about "# kernel-image-2.4.26-2-686", its a kernel-image for i686... |
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| 08:16.04 | Supaplex | humm Xorg has crapped out on me, and is eatting 100% cpu. I have gdb attached now under a script(1) session to log my capture. How do I grab as much usefull information about what Xorg is doing at my trap? "bt full" only shows three frames. |
| 08:16.05 | streuner | clars: http://www.plastic-spoon.de/Debian-Woody-Linux-auf-dem-ThinkPad-R51.html |
| 08:16.11 | xjkx | Vasistha, they are probably solotions for windows, the CD it came with has the windows software also, but i have no windows :D |
| 08:16.22 | rahul | mmm spoon |
| 08:16.27 | gustavo | someone knows that? |
| 08:16.30 | rahul | splintery wooden spoon |
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| 08:16.42 | streuner | clars: so just get x86 |
| 08:16.55 | xjkx | Vasistha, as i thought, there is a link teaching to use amv converting tool, which is a windows thing |
| 08:17.05 | clars | streuner, but the kernel 2.4.26 is to old I think |
| 08:17.05 | gustavo | :( |
| 08:17.14 | gustavo | :-( |
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| 08:17.47 | markybob | gustavo: you should even be messing with that junk. use make-kpkg to compile your kernel and have it compiled into a nice deb file for you to install |
| 08:18.06 | Vasistha | xjkx: google.com/linux amv |
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| 08:18.20 | streuner | clars: well, just install 2.6.18-686 |
| 08:18.38 | gustavo | i like dirty jobs |
| 08:18.40 | gustavo | :D |
| 08:19.02 | streuner | clars: http://www.dw-itsecurity.de/content/view/33/83/ |
| 08:19.19 | markybob | gustavo: well, we support the debian way of doing things. |
| 08:19.35 | Vasistha | xjkx: who knows, you may have to resort to wine |
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| 08:20.00 | xjkx | wine isnt sexy :/ |
| 08:20.08 | xjkx | but will probably be the last try |
| 08:20.08 | gustavo | its universal way :P |
| 08:20.45 | markybob | gustavo: good for you on not listening. that's now how you deal with kernels in debian |
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| 08:21.28 | markybob | gustavo: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html#s-customkernel |
| 08:21.43 | rahul | I thinkj I need to mastyurbate |
| 08:21.49 | rahul | not because of women |
| 08:21.55 | rahul | A SYMBIONT |
| 08:22.13 | Vasistha | gustavo: regarding dirty jobs... http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060901-sewer-video.html |
| 08:22.16 | rahul | oh shit I've turned women on with this stuff |
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| 08:22.42 | Vasistha | gustavo: erm, sorry, that link has video :-/ |
| 08:22.46 | rahul | markybob: too nbad you get all the HOT women |
| 08:23.04 | markybob | rahul: please. my life is a blueball nightmare |
| 08:23.15 | rahul | heh |
| 08:23.17 | rahul | aww |
| 08:23.37 | rahul | my balls are dancing |
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| 08:23.47 | rahul | these girls are gonna be so happy |
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| 08:24.28 | streuner | in .br you are rich or very poor, nothing much between... |
| 08:25.05 | pukkie | ques, i had a working vlan setup. because vmware doesn't support interfaces longer than 8 characters i had to rename the interface, so eth0 is now if0, and in the interfaces file eth0.0010 and such were changed to if0.0010. however now I get errors like if0.0010: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 08:25.10 | ringo999 | mmm...trying to access this one website I get the message that internet explorer is requried (i'm using iceweasel). Is there any app/package that would allow me to access this site? |
| 08:25.14 | rahul | girls donyt care about rich or poor |
| 08:25.23 | rahul | they just wanna have fun |
| 08:25.24 | streuner | wrong |
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| 08:25.32 | pukkie | any ideas? |
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| 08:25.55 | rahul | really? |
| 08:25.55 | markybob | streuner: just because they dont like you, doesnt mean anything |
| 08:25.59 | rahul | hrm |
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| 08:26.01 | rahul | hahah |
| 08:26.11 | rahul | poor streuner |
| 08:26.35 | gustavo | Vasistha, :) |
| 08:27.49 | Vasistha | ringo999: well, opera has a "mask as internet explorer" option; I would imagine it ought to be possible with FF as well, although I don't know how |
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| 08:28.07 | markybob | Vasistha: it is. there's a user agent extension that makes it easy |
| 08:28.21 | Vasistha | ringo999: ^^^ user agent extension |
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| 08:28.45 | streuner | markybob: there are two markybob, one with money and the other one with nothing. Who has better chances? ;-) |
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| 08:29.14 | rahul | streuner: depends what the girl is after that night |
| 08:29.24 | MikePer | hello! |
| 08:29.24 | rahul | she'll be impressed by money |
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| 08:29.50 | rahul | but you can impress her with personality. girls are very into personality. |
| 08:31.17 | ubd | someone tell me a gui archiver |
| 08:31.17 | markybob | streuner: i grew up with gates on my windows and i still have them. there certainly arent any girls fighting for rich guys in my neighborhood, since none of them exist :) |
| 08:31.17 | streuner | ubd: "gui archiver"? |
| 08:31.18 | tarzeau | ubd: guitar? |
| 08:31.18 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 08:31.18 | dpkg_ | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 08:31.18 | MikePer | I got problems with CUPS and an USB printer. is there a more specific channel where I should ask? |
| 08:31.18 | tarzeau | ubd: i really like mc |
| 08:31.22 | streuner | MikePer: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 08:31.30 | streuner | MikePer: no ;-) |
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| 08:31.51 | streuner | MikePer: CUPS has a ML..., but in IRC they are very rare |
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| 08:32.26 | ubd | ok heres the problem i installed archive plugin for thunar, plugin says no suitable archiver found when i try to extract |
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| 08:32.33 | streuner | MikePer: just visit linux-printing.org |
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| 08:32.50 | ubd | actually synaptic install xarchiver with it |
| 08:32.55 | ubd | installed |
| 08:33.22 | markybob | ubd what's the archive type? |
| 08:33.28 | ringo999 | Vasistha: ok found something for ff. also, is there a function/add-on for ff that saves/restores my session (opened tabs) upon close/(re)start? |
| 08:33.29 | ubd | tarbz2 |
| 08:33.42 | markybob | ubd apt-get install bzip2 |
| 08:33.43 | MikePer | streuner, the problem I got is that the printer seems to deconnect. CUPS shows me that the printer is not reachable and I have to 'start printer' to make him print again |
| 08:33.48 | Vasistha | ringo999: I'm pretty sure there is, actually. |
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| 08:34.54 | MikePer | streuner, I got 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 if that's important :) |
| 08:35.09 | streuner | MikePer: hm |
| 08:35.15 | schultzconsult | Hi, I want to route two different IP ranges in one computer |
| 08:35.33 | streuner | MikePer: happend for me sometimes too.... |
| 08:36.02 | ubd | nah, i installed bzip but it doesnt work |
| 08:36.12 | Vasistha | ubd: then you did something wrong |
| 08:36.18 | ringo999 | Vasistha: yep there is, i.e. "session manager" :-D |
| 08:36.22 | MikePer | streuner, did you find a solution? the customer wont be happy if she cannot print without calling me to start her printer :/ |
| 08:36.26 | Vasistha | ubd: or else, your archive is not actually tar bz2 |
| 08:36.26 | ubd | i cant do anything wrong i use synaptic! |
| 08:36.36 | schultzconsult | the sitiuation is that the computer have two nics and is allready doing transparante bridging over these nics for one of the ip ranges |
| 08:36.51 | Vasistha | ubd: heh, I think you just proved your point... |
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| 08:37.05 | markybob | ubd: get a specific error message from tar -jxf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 08:37.20 | my007ms | can i use redirection in apache to redirect client to other port and IP as well |
| 08:37.41 | Vasistha | ubd: okay, where did you get this tar.bz2 file? |
| 08:37.52 | ubd | xfce look |
| 08:37.53 | schultzconsult | now I want to add the posibility to route range 192.168.10.0/24 and 172.17.1.0/24 in this computer so both nets may see each other |
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| 08:38.18 | bolt | !botsnack |
| 08:38.18 | dpkg_ | :), bolt |
| 08:38.21 | Vasistha | ubd: yeah, like markybob said: tar jxf yourfile.tar.bz2 |
| 08:38.29 | bolt | oh. it has a _ |
| 08:38.46 | ubd | command extracted it |
| 08:38.51 | markybob | bolt yeah...hopefully dondelelcaro will be around in not too long to fix that |
| 08:38.55 | my007ms | schultzconsult, u need use ur box as getway for other host as well ? |
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| 08:39.02 | ubd | no error |
| 08:39.10 | Amarande | Yay for etch being out! :) |
| 08:39.17 | Vasistha | ubd: well, fancy that! see how nice the command line tools are? :P |
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| 08:39.23 | Amarande | okay, before I go jumping in head first ... |
| 08:39.34 | tarzeau | i wonder what happened here http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=ttf-junicode .. |
| 08:39.38 | ubd | i am n00b i need a raight click extractor |
| 08:39.38 | Amarande | if I plan to use things like, say, cedega, should I get the amd64 or the i386 version of etch? |
| 08:39.42 | bolt | !set up x |
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| 08:39.42 | dpkg_ | i heard set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 08:39.53 | xand | Amarande: i386 |
| 08:40.16 | ubd | %50 of the programs installed dont work properly. |
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| 08:40.49 | Vasistha | Amarande: I'm going to guess you'll want i386 |
| 08:41.17 | Amarande | yeah, that's what I thought |
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| 08:41.56 | Vasistha | ubd: what de are you using? |
| 08:42.03 | ubd | de? |
| 08:42.06 | markybob | xfce |
| 08:42.11 | Vasistha | ubd: desktop environment |
| 08:42.16 | ubd | yes xfce |
| 08:42.23 | byon | heya |
| 08:42.30 | byon | anyidea how do i script ths line in iptables? REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited |
| 08:42.55 | fengor | man iptables? |
| 08:43.09 | byon | i couldnt achieve the same story |
| 08:44.01 | petemc | byon: why do you want to block icmp? |
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| 08:44.08 | Vasistha | ubd: honestly, if you want a DE that allows you to be a truly lazy mouser, you might try KDE. XFCE is great for some people, but KDE has a very well-integrated set of GUI tools, and it seems like that's what you're looking for. It can be made snappier by disabling animations and blending/shading |
| 08:44.22 | byon | petemc: at the end of every firewall rules theres always a reject all rule. |
| 08:44.24 | ubd | if theres no subtitute i will install ark |
| 08:44.29 | byon | well i dont really want a icmp coming thru |
| 08:44.35 | markybob | byon: something like iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 -d 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-net-unreachable |
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| 08:45.00 | markybob | net-host-prohibited* fuck |
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| 08:45.06 | ubd | i like xfces left and middle click so i can run without panels. |
| 08:45.34 | byon | it's -i eth0 if im not wrong? |
| 08:45.58 | markybob | byon: you certainly know better what you want than i do |
| 08:45.59 | Vasistha | ubd: that's kinda why I thought of kde; ark is a nice gui archiver. A lot of the kde tools are really nice. And you can run kde without panels, too -- I bet you could even configure it to do whatever it is you're doing with your mouse. |
| 08:46.19 | byon | hmmm. |
| 08:46.29 | obsethryl | hello guys, something installer - specific: i have a series of fc6 LVM setups i want to bring to debian, I have seen that the installer is capable of picking them up correctly (the physical volumes that is); are there any issues I should be aware of it I intend to setup LVM as it is currently setup in the box, using the installer and not getting to an unusable install? I do not want to face data corruption; everything has passed fsck checks. thank |
| 08:46.29 | obsethryl | you |
| 08:46.40 | Vasistha | ubd: of course, if you're new, getting accustomed to one DE is work enough :P |
| 08:46.44 | byon | markybob, thanks, but anyidea whats Chain RH-Firewall-1-INPUT ? |
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| 08:47.10 | markybob | byon: no. might wanna ask in #fedora...rh sounds like them |
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| 08:47.23 | streuner | MikePer: this happend to me randomly, so i didn't need to find a solution then... |
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| 08:47.27 | byon | alright. |
| 08:47.34 | byon | thanks. |
| 08:47.34 | Vasistha | byon: #iptables also might be helpful |
| 08:48.20 | ubd | i know kde and i somehow didnt like it though its far better than gnome according to me. |
| 08:48.53 | cydork | !better |
| 08:48.53 | dpkg_ | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 08:49.19 | Vasistha | ubd: well, I don't like the default setup, but a lot can be don to customize. I mean, the only reason I recommend it is that it sounds like you would want to be using a lot of the kde apps -- and so you're going to have to have the kde libs installed and running anyway. |
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| 08:49.36 | beingm | /squery alis help |
| 08:50.14 | ubd | cydork i already said according to me. are you "word" sensitive |
| 08:50.42 | cydork | ubd: yes i cant read! :) |
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| 08:51.33 | obsethryl | hmm some help please, i cannot find any documentation related to this, easily |
| 08:52.09 | Vasistha | obsethryl: related to what? rather than asking for help with nothing in particular, perhaps you could state your real question ;-) |
| 08:52.17 | ubd | lvm |
| 08:52.23 | streuner | Vasistha: /lastlog |
| 08:52.26 | markybob | obsethryl: can you clone one of the boxes and do a test install? you should be fine, but testing it for real first would be your best bet |
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| 08:52.38 | Vasistha | obsethryl: sorry :P |
| 08:52.52 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
| 08:53.10 | Vasistha | I guess that means it's time to go to sleep. I even read his question when he asked it. |
| 08:53.18 | markybob | see ya |
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| 08:53.32 | obsethryl | markybob: so i figured, i just wanted to check if somebody has had any issues when converting to debian form fc6 (btw, great 4.0 release guys) |
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| 08:53.49 | obsethryl | my only issue is how the installer treats the lvm, nothing else :P |
| 08:54.01 | obsethryl | thanks |
| 08:54.10 | markybob | good luck |
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| 08:55.33 | BeliyS | hello |
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| 08:56.10 | ubd | when i run a application from terminal, and then close the terminal program also exits, how can i avoid this. |
| 08:56.19 | markybob | use screen |
| 08:56.20 | petemc | screen |
| 08:56.38 | fengor | screen ftw |
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| 08:57.23 | ubd | how will i use that |
| 08:57.29 | markybob | ubd you google. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
| 08:57.34 | praecox | read man screen |
| 08:57.39 | praecox | it's well documented. |
| 08:57.53 | ubd | Unable to show 'http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935' damn nothing works! |
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| 09:00.00 | yure | Hi. I would like my users to be able to execute chmod, chown, rm, cp and mv but only iniside a certain directory. What would be the simplest way to achieve this (they connect through ssh) without having to do chroot jails,... |
| 09:00.06 | ubd | screen is a tab of terminal emulator? |
| 09:00.28 | markybob | ubd go read. google and/or man |
| 09:00.44 | possie | is there tooling to use dnotify? or is it purely the API specifications? i need to monitor a directory of a old machine of mine, anything which gets copied in to that directory needs to be moved to another location |
| 09:01.23 | ubd | pff |
| 09:02.09 | liable | yes, reading is HARD |
| 09:02.10 | fengor | ubd: screen is a terminal multiplexer and the man page is very good |
| 09:03.51 | ubd | why didnt you just said install "screen" |
| 09:04.04 | liable | heh |
| 09:04.11 | liable | well thats kinda a given :) |
| 09:04.22 | Supaplex | yure: think... chown root evil ; chmod +x evil ; chmod +s evil ; ./evil |
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| 09:04.59 | ubd | reading is hard when isnt your native- which makes skimming hard |
| 09:04.59 | yure | Supaplex, yes, i was searching for a simple anwser to a complex question. nevermind :) |
| 09:05.35 | Supaplex | yure: no worries. =) |
| 09:05.41 | liable | ubd: you can always use 'fooprogram &' as well |
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| 09:06.13 | fengor | liable: but that wont work for alle programs woul it? |
| 09:06.19 | liable | no |
| 09:06.24 | ubd | liable ok heres a question for you: to view java in webpages, will i install java common? |
| 09:06.25 | liable | not if its interactive |
| 09:07.05 | liable | ubd: i have no idea about java, sorry |
| 09:07.23 | markybob | !install java |
| 09:07.23 | dpkg_ | hmm... install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 09:07.23 | liable | i guess its the jdk5 thing or whatever its called |
| 09:07.39 | liable | ah, was just gonna hit that factoid ;) |
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| 09:08.14 | ubd | dpkq says that i need a proper sources.list |
| 09:08.33 | liable | you need non-free |
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| 09:08.52 | liable | which confuses me, wasnt it open sourced? |
| 09:08.55 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:09.01 | liable | moin moin |
| 09:09.02 | ubd | SUN java |
| 09:09.04 | markybob | liable: ...vapor still ... |
| 09:09.09 | fengor | liable: he doesnt need the whole jdk. he probably is fine with a jre so he just can pick one form apt-cache search in the factoid ;) |
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| 09:09.25 | ubd | yes i need a jre |
| 09:09.32 | ubd | runtime right? |
| 09:09.39 | markybob | liable: we were talking about that earlier tonight. weird how every few months you hear about it going gpl and then nothing ever happens |
| 09:09.43 | fengor | jre is jave runtime environment |
| 09:09.44 | spikeb | sun announced they were freeing java, but that applies to java 7. |
| 09:09.48 | spikeb | and not previous versions |
| 09:10.10 | ubd | jre is in non free ? |
| 09:10.19 | spikeb | yup |
| 09:10.22 | markybob | ubd damnit, man, do you read anything? |
| 09:10.28 | fengor | the sun jre is in non free i suppose |
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| 09:10.33 | liable | markybob: appears not |
| 09:10.33 | markybob | the factoid *and* liable said that |
| 09:10.36 | fengor | there are other free jre's available |
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| 09:10.56 | vimalg2 | Can anyone tell me if there is a command-line switch or some hack/workaround that allows APT-GET to resume broken downloads. I cannot stress this enough because my ISP only provides dial-up in my area. I've been trying to download Eclipse from the repositories for a very long time. Please help! |
| 09:10.58 | ubd | markybob i am n00b ok |
| 09:10.59 | spikeb | gjc is available in main |
| 09:11.13 | spikeb | but it depends on what you need the java for |
| 09:11.15 | markybob | ubd newbies cant read what's put right in front of them? |
| 09:11.23 | ubd | i read max weber |
| 09:11.25 | spikeb | vimalg2, it should automatically start where it left off |
| 09:11.34 | spikeb | ubd, yeah you probably need the stuff in non-free then |
| 09:11.47 | ubd | yes i need a non free os :D |
| 09:12.09 | fengor | ubd: to get nonfree stuff with apt-get or aptitude abppend contrib non-free to the lines in your sources.list |
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| 09:12.19 | spikeb | sun-java5-plugin is the package you need once you enable the non-free repo |
| 09:12.32 | liable | vimalg2: if apt/dpkg complains about it having a bad md5sum or something, you need to redownload |
| 09:12.45 | liable | preferably from another mirror |
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| 09:12.48 | fengor | and then do an apt-get update to get the new package lsitings |
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| 09:13.01 | ubd | ok lemme try fengor thanks |
| 09:13.18 | vimalg2 | spikeb, liable: Is there any proxy or something i could install locally to cache partial downloads/requests from apt-get? |
| 09:13.27 | spikeb | hmm |
| 09:13.34 | spikeb | liable might know :) |
| 09:13.44 | liable | vimalg2: it caches them itself |
| 09:14.03 | liable | vimalg2: if you interupt it during download, it picks up where it left off |
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| 09:14.21 | vimalg2 | liable: thanks a bunch. I was pretty sure the debian community would pay attention to these little details. Luv ya |
| 09:14.37 | markybob | haha. precious |
| 09:14.41 | liable | !aww |
| 09:14.42 | dpkg_ | *snuggles* |
| 09:14.43 | beingm | how can i get security updates for etch? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade or other parameter? |
| 09:15.11 | liable | beingm: if its in your sources, its automagic |
| 09:15.19 | spikeb | the first |
| 09:15.25 | spikeb | update and upgrade |
| 09:15.25 | liable | with upgrades.. |
| 09:15.33 | ubd | man apt-get beingm! |
| 09:15.42 | beingm | alright, thanks |
| 09:15.47 | ubd | do some reading dont sk everyhtingk |
| 09:15.51 | Nemoder | dist-upgrade is only needed when upgrading the whole system to another version |
| 09:15.59 | fengor | ubd: man wont work there he jsut needs the correct entries for his sourcs.list |
| 09:16.09 | liable | ubd: dont be a dick. his question isnt in 'man apt-get' |
| 09:16.17 | ubd | i am joking |
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| 09:16.30 | fengor | your jokes are worse than your reading skills ubd |
| 09:16.36 | ubd | lol |
| 09:17.29 | fengor | beingm: this article might help you: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/241 |
| 09:17.39 | vimalg2 | does anyone know a hardware drivers channel? i have a nasty VIA video chipset |
| 09:17.40 | ubd | i actually seem to have non free - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/13208 can u check this fengor? |
| 09:18.00 | beingm | thx@fengor |
| 09:18.38 | fengor | no prob beingm just take care. that article is from back when sarge was stable and etch testing |
| 09:18.52 | markybob | suddenly i'm very glad that i live in south american ...far, far away from the uk |
| 09:19.18 | fengor | ubd looks fine to me |
| 09:19.53 | fengor | hehe south america? i want to visit there one day. but guess it will still take some years |
| 09:20.13 | markybob | fengor: beers on me |
| 09:20.27 | fengor | yay but can i have amte isntead? |
| 09:20.28 | fengor | mate |
| 09:20.31 | liable | what about the coke and cigars? :P |
| 09:20.36 | itguru | markybob: what's wrong with the UK?!? |
| 09:21.12 | ubd | im not from the uk. mirror is |
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| 09:21.59 | markybob | turkey...even further! |
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| 09:22.34 | ubd | i cant have jre in synaptic... whts about those security servers should i delete em |
| 09:22.46 | fengor | no you shouldnt ubd |
| 09:23.09 | fengor | and sorry i cant help you with synaptic never used it |
| 09:23.12 | pingouin | how the fonts works ? i've remove xfs and xfstt and the line in xorg.conf (FontPath "unix/:7100") , still have in xorg.conf lines like : /usr/lib/X11/fonts/<name of fonts> but when i cd /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ i only have one directory that is called 'encoding'.... where are the /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi etc... ? please |
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| 09:23.31 | aldin | !repositories |
| 09:23.32 | beingm | sun's jre is in non-free, add it in the sources.list and update |
| 09:23.36 | ubd | apt-get doesnt have jre i think there no package called kre |
| 09:23.38 | ubd | jre |
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| 09:24.12 | markybob | again with the not listening |
| 09:24.13 | aldin | can someone help me to fix my sorces.list |
| 09:24.21 | fengor | you nee the package sun-java5-plugin |
| 09:24.22 | ubd | yes i can |
| 09:24.26 | fengor | damit read what ppl tell you |
| 09:24.42 | fengor | _n |
| 09:24.48 | fengor | + |
| 09:25.00 | fengor | sorry i'm a sucker for typos :/ |
| 09:25.10 | aldin | ubd how my line should look: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 09:25.15 | aldin | i have only that |
| 09:25.34 | ubd | delete the "/updates" and add non-free |
| 09:25.38 | ubd | to the end |
| 09:25.47 | aldin | ubd: i want all repos main nonfre contrib security? |
| 09:26.01 | ubd | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:26.01 | ubd | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:26.03 | ubd | add this |
| 09:26.09 | aldin | ok tnx |
| 09:26.17 | ubd | no problem always! |
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| 09:26.30 | Nemoder | aldin: I don't think ubd knows what he's talking about |
| 09:26.49 | liable | security doesnt do non-free iirc |
| 09:27.04 | liable | aldin: your security line is fine |
| 09:27.15 | ubd | yes its fine just add the 2 lines |
| 09:27.29 | liable | no |
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| 09:27.54 | aldin | hey guys it says etch? should i put stable? |
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| 09:28.00 | fengor | !Nemoder++ |
| 09:28.09 | liable | aldin: either is fine |
| 09:28.10 | fengor | no etch or stable is fine |
| 09:28.16 | fengor | they both point to the same packages |
| 09:28.21 | aldin | aha tnx |
| 09:28.22 | fengor | since etch is the new stable ;) |
| 09:28.34 | ubd | who is lenny then? |
| 09:28.40 | spikeb | testing |
| 09:28.41 | fengor | lenny is the new testing |
| 09:28.50 | fengor | like it says in the topic |
| 09:28.55 | jelly-home | who's zed? |
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| 09:29.13 | roland_ | ubuntu sucks ? |
| 09:29.19 | ubd | yes it is! |
| 09:29.26 | ubd | thanks to debian :P |
| 09:29.26 | xand | s/is/does/ |
| 09:29.39 | fengor | distro wars suck! ;) |
| 09:29.45 | roland_ | to learn linux what distro i must use |
| 09:29.49 | roland_ | debian ok ? |
| 09:29.50 | jelly-home | roland_: please keep it on topic |
| 09:29.57 | ubd | no no debian cınfusing |
| 09:30.02 | fengor | you can use any distro as long as you WANT to learn |
| 09:30.08 | markybob | ubd i wish you'd move on, then |
| 09:30.13 | ubd | you have to use live cd of freebsd |
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| 09:30.25 | roland_ | i hate freesbie |
| 09:30.31 | roland_ | i hate livecds so much |
| 09:30.35 | aldin | Fetched 5757kB in 3m11s (30.1kB/s) |
| 09:30.38 | roland_ | i need a uzzi to kill them |
| 09:30.40 | fengor | ubd would you please STFU before i have to take my sword of the wall? |
| 09:30.41 | ubd | then go for freebsd |
| 09:30.41 | aldin | one more guys |
| 09:30.57 | ubd | ok go for debian, everyone will be happy |
| 09:31.01 | aldin | i have amd turion and acpi -V says this No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi"). |
| 09:31.12 | Nemoder | hm, I know dselect has a script to help setup the sources.list but I'm not sure how to do it in aptitude |
| 09:31.18 | aldin | Linux kapetano 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:31.24 | obsethryl | guys, btw, has anyone installed vmware on debian 4.0 yet? |
| 09:31.30 | obsethryl | as the host os i mean |
| 09:31.31 | xand | ubd: you're giving wrong advice about sources.list |
| 09:31.43 | aldin | xand ? |
| 09:31.53 | xand | changing the security line |
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| 09:32.11 | ubd | why am i? it is working for me |
| 09:32.24 | fengor | ubd: its just wrong lsiten to xand |
| 09:32.24 | aldin | btw i commented security line... |
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| 09:32.33 | jelly-home | obsethryl: have vmware-server on testing (same kernel & libc6 as 4.0) |
| 09:32.34 | liable | why |
| 09:32.52 | aldin | anyone with amd turion processor here? |
| 09:32.53 | fengor | better leav e it uncommented aldin, security gives updates for bugs found in packages |
| 09:32.57 | ubd | debian is secure out of the box anyway |
| 09:33.12 | obsethryl | jelly-home: will i need particular packages installed with 4.0 ? |
| 09:33.16 | roland_ | nothing is totally secure out of the box |
| 09:33.23 | roland_ | there's always a small hole |
| 09:33.23 | fengor | ubd: if you'd know anything about comp sec at all you'd know no box is ever really secure |
| 09:33.38 | xand | the only secure box is disconnected from the network and locked in a vault :P |
| 09:33.39 | fengor | well a powered down disconnected from all lines box maybe |
| 09:33.47 | roland_ | security depends on the admin |
| 09:33.57 | aldin | cant believe taht here is no one with amd mobile cpu... i really need help here... |
| 09:33.59 | xand | and users sadly |
| 09:34.02 | jelly-home | obsethryl: the usual requirements for compiling out-of-tree kernel modules I guess |
| 09:34.06 | steven43126 | xand even then it's not secure what about TEMPEST ;) |
| 09:34.10 | fengor | xand: you forgot aboard a space ship heading outwards of the star system |
| 09:34.12 | fengor | ;) |
| 09:34.13 | xand | aldin: I have that CPU, but I don't know if acpi works |
| 09:34.15 | ubd | i heard open bsd is secure fengor |
| 09:34.34 | xand | that's nice for you |
| 09:34.41 | xand | fengor: it'll get got by aliens then! |
| 09:34.44 | obsethryl | jelly-home: just the headers i presume |
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| 09:35.06 | fengor | omg! aliens rooted my box! the end is nigh!!!!!1111oneoneeleven |
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| 09:35.09 | ubd | fengor, sun jre is too big cant i just get the plugin thing? |
| 09:35.11 | jelly-home | obsethryl: and gcc and stuff. ;-) |
| 09:35.26 | cafuego | ubd: Nope, the plugin uses the jvm |
| 09:35.27 | fengor | the plugin is the jre |
| 09:35.31 | roland_ | unless you're a important firm/company/source of cash/someone popular who everybody hates you dont have to worry much about security, you're unlikely to be a target.. well unless you have some users with bad ideas |
| 09:35.41 | xand | roland_: that's not true |
| 09:35.41 | aldin | xand |
| 09:35.48 | fengor | oh sorry dont mind me listen to cafuego |
| 09:35.49 | obsethryl | jelly-home: heh i always have dev stuff around, i just want to give a go to the stable before i move to testing :P |
| 09:35.49 | xand | roland_: most attacks are random |
| 09:35.52 | aldin | xand can u execute acpi -V |
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| 09:36.10 | aldin | xand: i am installing kernel-image-386.... to see if it works |
| 09:36.12 | xand | roland_: botnets portscanning random IP addresses, looking for weak ssh passwords etc |
| 09:36.12 | jelly-home | obsethryl: aye, it's linux-headers-whatever then |
| 09:36.27 | steven43126 | there are plenty of bots out there just searching for random targets! |
| 09:36.30 | cafuego | linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 09:36.32 | roland_ | xand: i didnt experience a attack/breaking/whatever in some years now... and didnt hear of someone who did... except windows users |
| 09:36.37 | roland_ | this is just my experience |
| 09:36.37 | xand | aldin: umm dunno |
| 09:36.38 | obsethryl | jelly-home: okie thanks |
| 09:36.47 | xand | roland_: do you read /var/log/auth.log? |
| 09:36.53 | fengor | roland_: actually hiding in the masses makes you more of a target. since those boxes are likely to be less secured and therefor more easy to crack and use as host for distributed attacks or used as covert channels |
| 09:37.05 | BeliyS | Hi...I need a bit of help with apt-get on my Debian unstable system, if I might? |
| 09:37.15 | xand | roland_: I haven't seen a machine that has port 22 open to the internet that doesn't have loads of failed login attempts in auth.log |
| 09:37.25 | fengor | BeliyS: just ask your question in a reasonable way and if someone here can help you he will answer |
| 09:37.26 | roland_ | well, thats a point |
| 09:37.36 | jelly-home | BeliyS: you really should know your way around dpkg and apt BEFORE even considering unstable |
| 09:37.41 | cydork | BeliyS: if you need help with apt-get, you shouldn't be using sid.. |
| 09:37.51 | xand | and unfortunately one or two of them got hacked due to weak user passwords |
| 09:37.53 | BeliyS | okay then, thanks |
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| 09:37.58 | steven43126 | on a side not if you use your box for remote access and don't run any public servers using iptables to limit connections for your county stops a great deal of the bot attacks |
| 09:38.05 | steven43126 | note* |
| 09:38.11 | ubd | whats sid cydork? |
| 09:38.19 | Gnea | !sid |
| 09:38.19 | dpkg_ | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:38.42 | liable | ubd: something you dont want to even know about |
| 09:39.04 | Shadur_ | If you have to ask what sid is, you don't want to know. |
| 09:39.04 | xand | iptables and hosts.allow/deny restricts access to my machines except from a few subnets/hosts |
| 09:39.07 | fengor | its the dark messy secret, the chaos debian is formed from ;p |
| 09:39.11 | Gnea | sid is not for people who don't know how to use debian (And not a based-on-debian distro either) |
| 09:39.50 | lupine_85 | I accidentally upgraded to sid recently :D |
| 09:39.58 | Shadur_ | Debian is based on sid. |
| 09:40.03 | Gnea | heh, enjoy |
| 09:40.08 | Gnea | Shadur_: sid IS debian |
| 09:40.28 | liable | !confuse Shadur |
| 09:40.29 | dpkg_ | Yes, what was our gerbil tomorrow, Shadur? shirts of the people's republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 09:40.29 | lupine_85 | mm, it's been fun so far |
| 09:40.55 | Shadur | Gnea: I know. I use it on my desktop boxen where it's not too big a disaster if apt-get upgrade deletes a few packages I was using or breaks something unrelated. |
| 09:41.06 | Gnea | Shadur: same |
| 09:41.22 | ubd | how come some distros have non free programs codecs etc already installed? |
| 09:41.36 | Gnea | ubd: name some examples. |
| 09:42.21 | ubd | pardus and f.something |
| 09:42.27 | Shadur | ubd: Nobody's forced to adhere to the DFSG. It's just that we don't call software "free" unless it does, so by default debian doesn't install those packages unless you ask for them specifically. |
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| 09:43.18 | Shadur | Lesser distros are perfectly welcome to decide that being convenient to ignorant consumers is more important than sticking to an ethical stance. |
| 09:43.27 | steven43126 | anyone recommend a good package for group calendars/tasks etc iv'e been looking at kolab ? |
| 09:43.31 | ubd | what i mean is if they are non free who is paying for them? |
| 09:44.07 | fengor | nonfree doesnt mean they have to be bought |
| 09:44.14 | Shadur | ubd: I reiterate my earlier point. |
| 09:44.16 | fengor | just that their license isnt compatible with the gpl |
| 09:44.24 | steven43126 | udb, i think it's free as in free to do with the package as you wish not bound by a dodgy license |
| 09:44.32 | fengor | nonfree as in freedom not as in free beer |
| 09:44.40 | Shadur | When we call something "non-free" we mean it doesn't comply with the DFSG. It doesn't mean it actually costs money. |
| 09:44.53 | ubd | allright thanks i get ti |
| 09:45.14 | Gnea | apt-cache search pardus <-- returns nothing. |
| 09:45.37 | markybob | gnea it's a dumbass distribution, not a package |
| 09:45.45 | roland_ | what 2.6 kernel can debian use from the install cd ? |
| 09:45.48 | roland_ | what version |
| 09:45.54 | markybob | 2.6.18 |
| 09:45.55 | cafuego | 2.6.18 |
| 09:45.56 | roland_ | ok |
| 09:45.57 | fengor | Gnea: its a turkish linux distro not some debian package |
| 09:45.57 | Gnea | oh |
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| 09:46.01 | cafuego | build 4 |
| 09:46.08 | roland_ | and Xorg 7.2 available from repositories? |
| 09:46.15 | Gnea | fengor: he said program codecs |
| 09:46.16 | cafuego | !info xserver-xorg |
| 09:46.27 | Gnea | fengor: and apt-cache doesn't search just for the package name. |
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| 09:46.37 | fengor | he said some distros include nonfree program codecs by default |
| 09:47.00 | cafuego | Yes, they violate licenses. |
| 09:47.14 | dpkg_ | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-18 (sid), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 09:47.32 | liable | dpkg_: who asked you? |
| 09:47.32 | ubd | i dont think they violate, they must be paying. its semi government |
| 09:47.37 | Gnea | violations are just another part of human nature |
| 09:47.58 | Shadur | Just because said licenses are so idiotic that even the theoretical owners don't actually bother enforcing them doesn't change that. |
| 09:48.06 | cafuego | what government? afghanistan? |
| 09:48.17 | ubd | turkey |
| 09:48.35 | Gnea | some people believe the law of man rules and some believe that the rule of religion rules... so people will always use that as their justification basis to fuck each other up |
| 09:48.43 | Shadur | roland_: Xorg 7.2's still in experimental. There's a couple of key core libraries going through a massive change and the final details are being hammered out. |
| 09:49.05 | Gnea | they won't care what or who they violate, as long as they 'win' |
| 09:49.32 | ubd | yes but thats not their fault |
| 09:49.38 | liable | thats very deep |
| 09:49.45 | markybob | and humorous |
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| 09:50.04 | Gnea | well, it's true |
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| 09:50.32 | jelly-home | why are you people assuming they violate licenses? |
| 09:50.34 | xjih78 | hi everyone |
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| 09:51.08 | xjih78 | just installed debian with vmware and now when i load linux it detects eth0 but it doesn't work |
| 09:51.09 | Gnea | jelly-home: i was making a generalization (i know, risky thing to do) |
| 09:51.26 | jelly-home | All generalizations suck. |
| 09:51.41 | ubd | yes generalizations and democracy |
| 09:51.48 | Gnea | doesn't work? |
| 09:52.29 | markybob | xjih78: fix your vmware settings. set from bridge to nat, for example. all depends on your setup. #vmware |
| 09:52.29 | xjih78 | ok |
| 09:52.29 | xjih78 | thanks |
| 09:52.29 | fengor | democracy is an ok concept its just people that fuck it up. same can be said about any government form |
| 09:52.29 | markybob | this is not #politics. |
| 09:52.32 | Gnea | ubd: nobody cares. |
| 09:52.45 | ubd | but you do care about democracy |
| 09:52.51 | roland_ | communism ftw |
| 09:53.02 | Gnea | ubd: take your hate and shove it up your arse, or take it to #politics, or face banishment. |
| 09:53.09 | markybob | ubd not in #debian. |
| 09:53.22 | ubd | ok |
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| 09:54.02 | roland_ | is debian confusing distro ? too much specific stuff to learn ? or its good for running if you want to become expert at linux and adept at editing files/using command line |
| 09:54.23 | ubd | roland get pardus they violate licences! auto-cracked |
| 09:54.34 | Gnea | roland_: it depends where you're coming from. |
| 09:54.57 | roland_ | ok. i'll use slackware |
| 09:55.02 | roland_ | simply linux |
| 09:55.05 | Gnea | !ops ubd is a troll, off-topic, and is advertising another distro. |
| 09:55.05 | dpkg_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: ubd is a troll, off-topic, and is advertising another distro. |
| 09:55.13 | ubd | what? |
| 09:55.22 | markybob | two nights in a roll. not bad. |
| 09:55.33 | fengor | quickest and steepest learning curve would be linux from scratch roland_. but i wont recommend it if you arent comfortable with the command line |
| 09:55.39 | alleyoopster | roland_: I was using archlinux before and I found that there is more configuration done for you with Debian. Slackware was harder for me personally |
| 09:55.44 | ubd | i am using .uckin debian why would i adversite it. |
| 09:55.46 | peterS | ubd: sigh. you still have nothing debian-related or constructive to say? |
| 09:56.09 | ubd | peters tell us what you did with your audio cables |
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| 09:56.25 | peterS | I guess that's a no |
| 09:56.29 | markybob | peterS: thanks again |
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| 09:58.54 | alleyoopster | What is contained in the laptop selection when installing from CD1 (gnome), I am not sure it gets installed from the XFCE CD1 and would like to replicate as button events and acpi are no longer working with a clean install of XFCE? |
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| 09:59.40 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 10:06.33 | joel__ | STRANGE problem the server has an extremely high load on the boxes, but there's no CPU util, not memory, IO wait etc.. |
| 10:06.48 | Gnea | strange, indeed |
| 10:06.53 | joel__ | checking munin shows 400 readdirplus requests /s |
| 10:06.56 | joel__ | for NFS |
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| 10:07.45 | Gnea | joel__: so kick everyone off |
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| 10:08.24 | plaes | hey.. is it possible to tell package manager to use 'unstable' version for a specific package? |
| 10:08.56 | joel__ | Gnea: not an option, it's a production server - one webserver in a cluster |
| 10:08.59 | sgeigerb` | apt-get install -t sid <package> |
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| 10:09.29 | plaes | sgeigerb`: thx, will look into it :) |
| 10:09.31 | Gnea | joel__: sorry, still not following.... you're an administrator? and you don't know how to tell what's going on or how to take care of it? |
| 10:09.32 | Trewas | there has been some discussions in lkml about horribly inefficient readdir and replacing it with some more sane system call, but I don't think there are any fixes... other than trying to minimize number of programs calling it |
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| 10:10.26 | sgeigerb` | "When you're green, your growing. When you're ripe, you rot." - Ray Kroc (American pioneer of the fast-food industry, Founder of McDonald's. 1902-1984) |
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| 10:11.56 | liable | sgeigerbot`: thanks for that useless bit of trivia :P |
| 10:12.16 | joel__ | Gnea: I'm the systems admin for a large holiday vendor, with a cluster of many servers. Some files are server over NFS and I'm seeing on some boxes high loads. When I ps / top etc.. there is no real CPU utilization and no memory load to speak off, nothing stuck in IOWait etc. I have munin on the boxes and I see a high number of NFS readdirplus requests (400/s) - so I think that may be a partial cause of the high load. I'm here asking you chaps if you've ever s |
| 10:12.42 | peterS | joel__: IRC limits you to 500(or so)-character lines. you got cut off. "if you've ever s----" |
| 10:12.59 | joel__ | ..seen anything like this |
| 10:13.05 | Gnea | joel__: and they're running debian? |
| 10:13.14 | sgeigerbot` | liable: Grassyass. |
| 10:13.40 | joel__ | not this particular one, no - it's a RHEL box, but same applies really. |
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| 10:13.48 | joel__ | It's distro agnostic really |
| 10:13.50 | xand | joel__: go ask Redhat then |
| 10:14.03 | Gnea | joel__: then prove it: ask in #redhat and not here. |
| 10:14.17 | joel__ | What's up with you guys jesus |
| 10:14.26 | xand | this is a debian channel? |
| 10:14.33 | Gnea | it's called respect of channel policy |
| 10:14.36 | Gnea | what's your problem? |
| 10:14.38 | joel__ | yes, I've already asked on the redhat channel |
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| 10:14.42 | joel__ | nobody could help |
| 10:14.45 | xand | so why ask here? |
| 10:14.46 | joel__ | that's why I'm asking here |
| 10:14.49 | xand | no |
| 10:14.51 | plaes | joel__: then turn to kernel guys |
| 10:14.51 | alleyoopster | Nobody knows about this laptop section on the installation? |
| 10:14.53 | Gnea | because they're idiots? |
| 10:14.58 | xand | this is a debian channel, we don't care about RHEL |
| 10:15.02 | joel__ | kernel and user space stuff if prett much the same thing across disto is it not |
| 10:15.13 | joel__ | and the process for troubleshooting is pretty much the same |
| 10:15.15 | xand | joel__: that doesn't make it relevant to this channel |
| 10:15.20 | Maulkin | joel__: If you've bought redhat, you get support. I'd suggest using it. |
| 10:15.25 | joel__ | I'm asking here because I spend most of my time here, being a debian user |
| 10:15.41 | joel__ | just so happens thaty I have to administrate other nboxen |
| 10:15.42 | xand | install debian on the server then, and maybe someone will help |
| 10:15.53 | joel__ | we don't have support with them |
| 10:15.59 | joel__ | jesus christ |
| 10:16.00 | Gnea | joel__: that's not the point - the point is that the userland is carrying the kernel, and the userland is distro-specific, and since the userland is the point of access that's causing the problem, it therefore does not fit within debian's realm of support. |
| 10:16.09 | Maulkin | joel__: And kernel and userspace on redhat are significantly diffrent to Debian |
| 10:16.28 | Maulkin | joel__: Ok... in answer to your question "no" |
| 10:16.30 | joel__ | I'm asking for troubleshooting tips, not how tio fix it guys |
| 10:16.34 | joel__ | come on don't be so anal |
| 10:16.51 | xand | why don't you pester #redhat instead of here? |
| 10:16.56 | plaes | our tip was to ask from #redhat ;) |
| 10:17.01 | Maulkin | joel__: We use NFS on a huge scale. Never seen that problem. No. |
| 10:17.06 | joel__ | yes, my answer was that I already have |
| 10:17.10 | Gnea | joel__: why do you have to go beyond being disrespectful and becoming downright rude? |
| 10:17.15 | Maulkin | Prehaps it may be a redhat specific thing. |
| 10:17.15 | joel__ | I'm not |
| 10:17.20 | Gnea | yes, you are. |
| 10:17.21 | Maulkin | I'd suggest trying #redhat |
| 10:17.25 | joel__ | Gnea: chill out man, no I'm not |
| 10:17.33 | Gnea | joel__: 06:00 < joel__> come on don't be so anal |
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| 10:17.36 | Gnea | joel__: yes, you ARE. |
| 10:17.44 | Maulkin | Calm down folks. |
| 10:17.54 | sgeigerbot | How long has the gui program update-manager been in Debian? |
| 10:17.57 | joel__ | Gnea: Are you on your period? |
| 10:18.17 | Gnea | joel__: i'm not even female. |
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| 10:19.49 | steven43126 | joel_, never seen that problem maybe check NFS? strace? see whats causing all the requests ? |
| 10:20.06 | Gnea | steven43126: he's not here anymore. |
| 10:20.07 | plaes | too late ;) |
| 10:20.12 | Joelio | hahah, I am |
| 10:20.14 | steven43126 | oops lol |
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| 10:20.28 | Gnea | oh, a clone. |
| 10:20.29 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 10:20.29 | Joelio | thanks steve43126 |
| 10:20.41 | xand | steven43126: don't answer offtopic questions |
| 10:20.46 | Nemoder | sgeigerbot: changelog says initial release was added in Oct 2004 |
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| 10:21.08 | steven43126 | np |
| 10:22.07 | Joelio | steven43126: so you suggest running an strace on the nfs client then? because it's a client issue, not a nfs server issue |
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| 10:24.43 | MementoMori | I set up openldap on a debian 4.0 and now I'm able to share login information with client pc (also debian 4.0). When client starts udevd complains about some missing groups/users it cant find on ldap directory. But it said nothing before ldap configuration. |
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| 10:25.07 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 10:25.19 | [Nige] | can someone give me a hand with samba and vista? |
| 10:25.39 | Maulkin | [Nige]: Just ask the question please |
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| 10:26.13 | [Nige] | Maulkin, vista wont see the samba shares, I have enabled ntlm authentication 1 and 2 but when I tried to patch samba, well the patches just dont seem to do anything |
| 10:26.19 | Maulkin | Joelio: Drop it. Now. |
| 10:26.22 | [Nige] | I left it for over 24hours patching it, still nothing |
| 10:26.32 | MementoMori | did you noticed same behaviour? How did you solved? |
| 10:26.51 | [Nige] | its a vista issue, because xp is okay with the shares and so is ubuntu :) |
| 10:26.58 | Maulkin | [Nige]: Erm... are you running Debian? |
| 10:27.14 | Maulkin | [Nige]: If so... what are you doing patching stuff? :) |
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| 10:28.19 | [Nige] | because i believe according to samaba.org there are patchs to fix the problem |
| 10:28.24 | [Nige] | but the patches dont seem to apply |
| 10:28.35 | Joelio | [Nige]: go and ask in the Ubuntu channel |
| 10:28.39 | Maulkin | Quite possibly |
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| 10:29.03 | Maulkin | Joelio: Why? |
| 10:29.47 | MementoMori | [Nige]: try with http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 |
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| 10:30.26 | [Nige] | MementoMori looking now.... |
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| 10:30.33 | ma3x | hi |
| 10:30.34 | Gnea | heh. |
| 10:30.36 | MementoMori | hope this helps |
| 10:30.50 | Joelio | is anyone ever going to implement a decent spam solution on the bugs mailing list.. sick to death of deleting mail |
| 10:31.07 | Maulkin | Joelio: patches accepted |
| 10:31.09 | peterS | Joelio: do you have _any_ idea how much spam is already automatically deleted from the bugs list? |
| 10:31.23 | ma3x | how can i mount a block device file? |
| 10:31.30 | peterS | Joelio: on debian lists in general, something like 98% of incoming mail is dropped as spam |
| 10:31.30 | [Nige] | MementoMori I have done that still no luck |
| 10:31.50 | sgeigerbot` | Is there a non-gui (console) program that does what update-manager does? |
| 10:31.50 | peterS | Joelio: of the remaining 2%, a certain amount of spam gets through. do you think you could do better? |
| 10:31.55 | Gnea | ma3x: loop it to a loop and mount the loop |
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| 10:32.08 | Joelio | yes, I can imagine there's a lot, I run antispam service for a university |
| 10:32.11 | ma3x | Gnea, how do I loop it to a loop? |
| 10:32.22 | MementoMori | is there a smart way to create user directly in openlap without create a local user and migrate it? |
| 10:32.29 | ma3x | Gnea, -o loop got it |
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| 10:32.38 | Gnea | ma3x: losetup |
| 10:33.26 | Joelio | peterS: is there no way just to accept mail from registered email addresses? or would that be too prohibitive? |
| 10:33.34 | MementoMori | s/openlap/openldap |
| 10:33.38 | peterS | Joelio: what do you mean "registered"? |
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| 10:33.52 | Joelio | peterS: I mean registered with the list |
| 10:34.11 | Maulkin | Joelio: That would cause a load of problems |
| 10:34.20 | Maulkin | What if a user wants to mail debian-users@l.d.o? |
| 10:34.31 | peterS | Joelio: forcing users to register before posting support requests to debian-user@lists.debian.org would be ... very bad |
| 10:34.52 | Joelio | Funny, it's the way most other distro do it |
| 10:35.06 | peterS | good thing we aren't other distros |
| 10:35.11 | Maulkin | Some people also use gmane or usenet to read the lists |
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| 10:35.43 | Joelio | why would it be bad, don't want to ge into a flame, but I can't see why it's bad to register your address? |
| 10:35.56 | Maulkin | We've just explained that. |
| 10:36.01 | peterS | Joelio: I note that "most other distros" have relatively closed infrastructure. Debian is much more open than average. democratic, if you will. anyone can see everything that goes on and anyone can contribute. so it's hard to compare. |
| 10:36.03 | Gnea | Joelio: go register your address and see what happens. |
| 10:36.09 | jelly-home | Joelio: support lists are usually open, it's a sensible setting |
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| 10:37.15 | Joelio | even for the bugs list though? |
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| 10:37.57 | peterS | Joelio: for reporting bugs? wtf! forcing users to "register" before they could report bugs would basically mean telling them we don't want them to report bugs! that's the worst thing we could do. |
| 10:37.58 | Gnea | Joelio: you make it sound as if spam were discrimitory |
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| 10:38.26 | Maulkin | Joelio: go to lists.debian.org and search for the debate. This has been dicussed many, many times |
| 10:38.34 | Joelio | fair do's guys |
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| 10:39.37 | Gnea | good. |
| 10:39.44 | Talisker | how do I see my local IP? |
| 10:39.45 | jelly-home | Maulkin: of course, times they are a'changing |
| 10:40.01 | peterS | Joelio: debian-bugs-dist is an awfully busy list, I'm surprised you lasted any length of time before unsubscribing. there are 10000+ source packages in debian, bug traffic for all of those really adds up fast |
| 10:40.14 | roland_ | Talisker: use ifconfig to find out the ip of the installed nics |
| 10:40.19 | peterS | Talisker: '/sbin/ifconfig' works, or if you have the iproute package installed, 'ip addr' |
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| 10:40.36 | Talisker | I thought so, but for some reason I don't have ifconfig |
| 10:40.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 10:40.47 | dpkg_ | methinks qotd121 is <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
| 10:40.48 | Gnea | Talisker: try /sbin/ifconfig |
| 10:40.52 | Joelio | peterS: been a member of it for years, it's just with the last spate of deleting pages of spam email sent via the list, to a list I _registered_ with it annoying - ah well, c'est la vie |
| 10:40.54 | markybob | Talisker: you have to be root. or specify /sbin/ |
| 10:41.00 | Talisker | yeah, OK |
| 10:41.07 | Talisker | thanks |
| 10:42.11 | peterS | Joelio: well. the benefit we get from random people posting bug reports and, indeed, _discussion_ on bug reports, to our bug lists, far outweighs the problem with the occasional spam-wave like we had today |
| 10:42.37 | Gnea | Joelio: so instead of doing something to solve the problem, you're just going to ignore it and hope that it fixes itself? that's a great thing to do, just like leaving a crate of wine outside the building of an AA meeting. |
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| 10:42.51 | peterS | Gnea: you're not being helpful either |
| 10:43.06 | Maulkin | Gnea: That's not useful |
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| 10:45.28 | Joelio | Gnea: I would love to help with it, where do I sign? |
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| 10:46.28 | Gnea | Joelio: do you know anything about RSS feeds? |
| 10:46.28 | yeiazel | hello |
| 10:46.28 | Maulkin | !ping |
| 10:46.28 | dpkg_ | pong |
| 10:46.28 | Joelio | Gnea: yep |
| 10:46.35 | yeiazel | I've got a simple question : when will sarge support be discontinued ? |
| 10:47.12 | Maulkin | yeiazel: In not less than one year |
| 10:47.14 | Joelio | Gnea: seriously, I'd love to help out |
| 10:47.20 | peterS | Joelio: the bug spam guy is Blars Blarson. I'm not sure if you should talk to him directly to offer your antispam expertise, or just mail <owner@bugs.debian.org>. probably the latter. |
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| 10:47.33 | Gnea | Joelio: ok, well i've got this idea floating around in my head - but since it's just at the floating phase, i'd rather not divulge any details just yet without being able to actually test it out... but if you'd be kind enough to stick around, I'd be glad to get something in the works in the next few weeks |
| 10:48.06 | yeiazel | Maulkin: I bet we don't have a precise date |
| 10:48.07 | Gnea | peterS: right on |
| 10:48.07 | Joelio | Gnea: sure, I know out conversation started a little heated, but I am all up for helping th ecommunity that has helped me so much in the pas |
| 10:48.15 | Joelio | s/pas/past |
| 10:48.26 | Gnea | Joelio: hey, i can see past all of that BS and make it better :) |
| 10:48.31 | Maulkin | yeiazel: It's when we (security) decide not to support it any more. |
| 10:48.45 | yeiazel | okay |
| 10:48.52 | yeiazel | I'll say 2008 to my customers |
| 10:49.02 | peterS | Joelio: come to think of it, I bet the appropriate forum for discussing bug spam is probably #debian-bugs on irc.debian.org |
| 10:49.09 | Maulkin | yeiazel: Yup. It's minimum 12 months. |
| 10:49.18 | Maulkin | yeiazel: I'd really suggest upgrading before then :) |
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| 10:49.23 | yeiazel | sure ;) |
| 10:49.34 | Gnea | peterS: is irc.debian.org exclusive now? i thought it was a part of freenode |
| 10:49.51 | peterS | Gnea: it used to be freenode. now it is a different network. |
| 10:49.55 | markybob | !oftc |
| 10:49.56 | dpkg_ | oftc is probably the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 10:50.01 | Gnea | peterS: aah |
| 10:50.04 | Joelio | peterS: I'll take a look |
| 10:50.49 | yeiazel | thanks Maulkin |
| 10:50.51 | Gnea | gah, just one more day till the computer recycling... |
| 10:50.51 | yeiazel | bye |
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| 10:51.04 | obsethryl | question, how come the #debian user count in irc.debian.org is diff than the user count in here, and even if OFTC may be a connection to freenode, why is there such a split (debian here, debian there, debian all over and everywhere) ? |
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| 10:52.15 | Enverex | How do I lock a package to a particular version? |
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| 10:52.19 | Gnea | obsethryl: 2 entirely different networks |
| 10:52.21 | markybob | !hold |
| 10:52.22 | dpkg_ | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
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| 10:53.03 | peterS | obsethryl: irc.debian.org and freenode have nothing to do with each other anymore, except that some of the same people inhabit the #debian channel on both networks. including dpkg the bot, several of the ops, and several of the channel regulars |
| 10:53.09 | obsethryl | Gnea: why do there have to be 2 diff channels for the same project? |
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| 10:53.37 | peterS | obsethryl: you think that's bad, check out how many active #perl channels there are out there |
| 10:53.39 | obsethryl | peterS: care to explain why there is a need for such redundancy ? I am not into debian politics at all |
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| 10:54.14 | obsethryl | well, i understand that, but it seems as if irc.debian.org makes this somewhat more "official" this is why I had to ask |
| 10:54.26 | peterS | obsethryl: the reason this channel is so large is twofold: (1) freenode is a popular tech irc network, so people naturally try #debian here; (2) in the past, irc.debian.org _was_ an alias for freenode, so we built up a significant user community here |
| 10:54.51 | Gnea | obsethryl: because too many people in the same place is bad for the network load |
| 10:55.08 | obsethryl | okie |
| 10:55.19 | peterS | obsethryl: not everybody uses this network, not everybody uses irc.debian.org, and we don't feel like trying to force people to move to one network or the other - we'd rather just support both |
| 10:55.25 | Joelio | peterS: on the debian irc server now, so begins my path to enlightenment :D |
| 10:55.36 | obsethryl | peterS: I see |
| 10:55.52 | peterS | Joelio: (btw, note that the debian irc server is actually irc.oftc.net, they do a lot more than just debian..) |
| 10:56.17 | Joelio | peterS: ok, cool, wasn't reading this channel, on another term |
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| 10:57.02 | obsethryl | well i am not new to linux, and i have tried debian long long long ago (will be entering my thirties at some point) but this 4.0 thing simply bit me and after trying a test with debian vs centos, i concluded that debian would eventually be my trustworthy companion :) |
| 10:57.22 | peterS | glad to hear it. we like debian 4.0 too |
| 10:58.08 | obsethryl | i better sign up in the debian.org servers then |
| 10:58.13 | damn | meeee 2 |
| 10:58.47 | Enverex | markybob, thanks |
| 10:58.55 | markybob | np |
| 10:59.03 | Enverex | I assume "gnome-desktop-environment" is a metapackage... |
| 10:59.04 | damn | thanks markybob |
| 10:59.07 | peterS | Enverex: yes |
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| 11:00.50 | Althaser | Has someone /etc/.java directory ? please |
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| 11:03.04 | Enverex | *GASP* Fish Fillets isn't in the repos |
| 11:03.41 | peterS | Enverex: like the 'fillets-ng' package? |
| 11:03.52 | Enverex | peterS, >.< |
| 11:04.00 | Enverex | peterS, Sorry, just searched for "fish" :P |
| 11:04.36 | peterS | Enverex: rule number one: 'apt-cache search' accepts multiple words, and often that helps a _lot_ in narrowing things down.. |
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| 11:05.28 | Enverex | peterS, Yeah, I kept thinking it was "blah AND blah AND" rather than OR |
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| 11:06.22 | peterS | Enverex: 'aptitude search fish fillets' does an OR search, which isn't all that useful (way too many results), whereas 'apt-cache search fish fillets' does an AND search, which is usually much more useful |
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| 11:07.13 | Enverex | ah |
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| 11:07.27 | Enverex | peterS, I normally use Synaptic though because I'm a GUI whore |
| 11:07.41 | peterS | Enverex: fine ... but I have no idea what search modes synaptic has, as I don't use it |
| 11:07.42 | liable | heh |
| 11:08.00 | liable | i think it uses apt-cache |
| 11:08.15 | peterS | aptitude has some really powerful searching, but apt-cache is a lot easier (and faster) for simple keyword search |
| 11:08.29 | Joelio | peterS: couldn't agree more |
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| 11:08.52 | Enverex | "fish fillets" in the search in Synaptic doesn't find anything so it must be AND |
| 11:08.57 | liable | pitty aptitudes power needs some funky switches |
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| 11:09.08 | arpu | hi @all |
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| 11:09.42 | arpu | i have a problem to install php5-cgi hen i make a apt-get install php5-cgi apt-get will remove my actuel kernel :-( The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 11:09.42 | arpu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.01 | Thms | AH AH |
| 11:10.25 | arpu | Thms: ? |
| 11:10.33 | Thms | sorry :" |
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| 11:11.04 | Thms | arpu: upgrade your kernel |
| 11:11.38 | arpu | hmm this is a production server i can not update now |
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| 11:11.42 | liable | -2 is an ols kernel with exploits anyway |
| 11:11.47 | liable | s/ols/old/ |
| 11:11.50 | ringo999 | whats is a good pdf viewer for the desktop environment? |
| 11:12.07 | liable | xpdf |
| 11:12.09 | peterS | ringo999: xpdf is old but reliable. the user interface looks rather dated but by golly it works really well |
| 11:12.28 | liable | theres acrored if you want 30MB of bloat |
| 11:12.37 | tarzeau | without sources |
| 11:12.38 | Thms | ringo999: adobe reader but not free |
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| 11:13.13 | Enverex | Is Adobe reader in the Repos? I did a search but you know how well I do at those... |
| 11:13.21 | Thms | Enverex: not is isn't |
| 11:13.31 | Joelio | ringo999: envince |
| 11:13.32 | liable | its in non-free |
| 11:13.35 | Enverex | Thms, Damn, wonder if the Ubuntu package will install.. |
| 11:13.36 | peterS | ringo999: but really, feel free to try evince as well. it looks nicer but I'm not sure if it's as reliable as xpdf |
| 11:13.39 | liable | acroread |
| 11:13.51 | Enverex | liable, Erm, I have non-free. Maybe there isn't an x86_64 version then |
| 11:13.59 | Thms | Enverex: maybe but you can download it and just have to tar and ./INSTALL |
| 11:14.04 | liable | Enverex: likely not |
| 11:14.06 | ringo999 | thanks, guys, going to try xpdf first |
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| 11:14.26 | Enverex | Thms, I have nothing against source, but packages and cleaner and auto-update... |
| 11:14.28 | liable | Enverex: what did you search for? |
| 11:14.41 | Joelio | ringo999: fair play mate, I personally find envince better though for printing support |
| 11:14.51 | Enverex | liable, acro, acrobat, adobe, reader... |
| 11:14.54 | Thms | Enverex: so use xpdf or another |
| 11:14.56 | Enverex | liable, None of them find it |
| 11:15.08 | Enverex | Thms, But it's horrid! lol |
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| 11:17.31 | Thms | beuh |
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| 11:22.36 | Enverex | Any ideas why XChat would be ignoring the default browser I set in the Gnome preferred apps thingy? |
| 11:23.10 | rhododendron | hello! for a couple of days now i didn't receive any updates for etch! is that normal? |
| 11:23.22 | Joelio | Enverex: maybe it has it's own preferences? |
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| 11:23.41 | peterS | rhododendron: quite normal |
| 11:23.46 | markybob | rhododendron: it's called stable for a reason. you'll hopefully rarely need updates |
| 11:24.07 | Enverex | Joelio, Thats what I thought, but its empty and should use the system default... |
| 11:24.13 | peterS | rhododendron: etch is debian stable, the only updates you get are security updates, until a point release comes out, which won't happen for a couple months probably, and even then the updates are mostly security |
| 11:24.17 | rhododendron | and there were no security updates |
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| 11:25.13 | rhododendron | thats very unfamiliar to me |
| 11:25.29 | rhododendron | but ok. thanks! |
| 11:25.58 | markybob | rhododendron: http://www.us.debian.org/security/ will keep you updated about recent security updates. you might also want to subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 11:26.38 | obsethryl | eventually some "upgrade" to testing is done by most, right? |
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| 11:27.09 | markybob | obsethryl: not on production boxes |
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| 11:27.47 | obsethryl | markybob: i would not do an upgrade on a production box of critical importance unless it was a security one |
| 11:28.34 | obsethryl | but for the desktop user, from what i have been reading about it the desktop want-it-all-now ppl opt for testing in debian, is that correct? |
| 11:28.59 | spikeb | that used to be true |
| 11:29.05 | Enverex | I have an odd issue, my "monospace" font seems to have gone light grey and looks over aliased, anyone heard of that before? |
| 11:29.09 | spikeb | im content with stable now though |
| 11:29.14 | spikeb | etch is very nice for a desktop |
| 11:29.49 | obsethryl | spikeb: i intend to use only stable for the reason of security-only updates and build new stuff i require, on isolated basis |
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| 11:30.17 | spikeb | obsethryl, there's also backports.org |
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| 11:31.34 | obsethryl | yup i read about it, hopefully i will find for it good use |
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| 11:31.47 | spikeb | cool. :) |
| 11:31.53 | ma3x | is there some high 3d requiring free game? |
| 11:32.09 | spikeb | ma3x, nexuiz |
| 11:32.11 | Appiah | I dont know how to define high 3d |
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| 11:32.19 | Appiah | but there's ET |
| 11:32.26 | Appiah | Enemy Territory |
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| 11:32.27 | Appiah | ... |
| 11:32.27 | jaski | Hi there. I'm in the midst of a failed upgrade from sarge to etch. My legacy system can't burn CD's but I have CD from 23 Jan 2006, which is an Internet installer for etch, Can anyone tell me if it's still usable (I don't want to reboot otherwise as /lib/modules is empty, as is /boot (apart from grub))? |
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| 11:32.44 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:33.06 | ma3x | spikeb, its big |
| 11:33.21 | ribasushi | I want to install dbmail and uw-imapd on the same host and bind them to different IPs |
| 11:33.23 | spikeb | yes. it is. |
| 11:33.28 | ribasushi | is there a way to make apt stop complaining? |
| 11:33.45 | Appiah | depends on what it complains about |
| 11:33.46 | spikeb | jaski, hmm, im not sure, i know the gpg key expired. |
| 11:33.55 | ribasushi | currently it says that dbmail provides imapd and conflicts with uw-imapd |
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| 11:34.40 | Appiah | fix the conflict |
| 11:34.47 | Appiah | and it will stop |
| 11:34.48 | Appiah | ;) |
| 11:34.50 | spikeb | heh |
| 11:34.57 | jaski | spkeb: OK. Is there any way to boot from a usb memory stick (1 GB of RAM)? |
| 11:34.58 | spikeb | he just asked how to make apt stop whining because he's not going to fix it :P |
| 11:35.04 | myrkraverk | ribasushi: you should be able to install them at different locs |
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| 11:35.18 | Appiah | jaski: yes you can boot from USB if you comp supports it |
| 11:35.23 | myrkraverk | ribasushi: I use uw-imapd (though through ssh only) |
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| 11:35.24 | spikeb | jaski, you could try writing a cdimage to the stick |
| 11:35.32 | Appiah | it will treat it just like another Harddrive/Floppy/CD |
| 11:35.58 | ribasushi | I can always compile uw-imapd from source but it defies the point of apt doesn't it |
| 11:35.58 | ribasushi | all I asked if there is a workaround, there is nothing to "fix" |
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| 11:36.13 | myrkraverk | ribasushi: if you want to stick to apt, you have to stick to the decisions of the .deb maintainers -- your choice |
| 11:36.29 | Appiah | the workaround is to fix the conflict >_> |
| 11:37.30 | jaski | Appiah: my hardware is an old 367 MHz celeron, i.e. at least 10 years old. It has a win98 partition. Could that be usable? |
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| 11:37.55 | ma3x | I put the system guard applet and I added sensors for the bandwidth (multibar) and they don't update. How come/ |
| 11:38.02 | spikeb | ribasushi, i dont see anything as a workaround from my search. |
| 11:38.09 | Christopherl_ | Cannot send mail from Evolution 2.10.1, but can receive mail. Some port is blocked? |
| 11:38.17 | ribasushi | spikeb: thanks anyway |
| 11:38.28 | markybob | Christopherl_: ubuntu? |
| 11:38.32 | spikeb | ribasushi, sorry. |
| 11:38.39 | Appiah | jaski: I doubt the BIOS got USB support then but you could always check |
| 11:38.40 | ribasushi | I just thought apt has some override mechanism just like with the pinning of releases, I guess I was wrong |
| 11:38.47 | ribasushi | from source it is |
| 11:38.49 | jaski | Appiah: It's an Amitech, but I don't know which BIOS |
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| 11:39.19 | hunger | Can I make debuild use -j4 or something in its calls to make? |
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| 11:39.29 | Christopherl_ | markybob: yes, now this is Debian, but you guys are smart |
| 11:39.34 | markybob | Christopherl_: debian has 2.6.3. go to #ubuntu |
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| 11:40.52 | jaski | Appiah: I'm wary of rebooting since the Debian iinstallation is stiil incomplete[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[l[4~ |
| 11:41.14 | peterS | hunger: not easily. certain source packages support some mechanism of passing -j options through to make, but there is no standard for this and most packages don't support it. I added support to the subversion package for this: 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=-j4 debuild ...' for subversion. |
| 11:41.16 | xerophyte | i used to have installed php in the /usr/local/bin/php, now i have installed it in the /usr/bin/php and removed the /usr/local/bin/php. but when i type php its still look for the directory /usr/local/bin .. how can i tell the linux to look for /usr/bin/php ? |
| 11:41.32 | peterS | xerophyte: hash -r |
| 11:42.04 | hunger | peterS: Thanks. No standard mechanismn is what I was afraid of when I couldn't find anything in the docs:-) |
| 11:42.05 | xerophyte | peterS, perfect thx |
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| 11:43.26 | peterS | hunger: I've wanted to suggest my own DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=-j4 as a standard ever since I came up with it, but I haven't gotten around to it. also, some people objected on the principle that a DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS keyword should be a more uniform syntax like 'parallel=4' or something. I think '-j4' is easier to type, easier to remember, and just as clear, but whatever |
| 11:44.15 | Appiah | jaski: check the manual... |
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| 11:45.11 | jaski | Appiah: manual? |
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| 11:45.57 | Appiah | for the mainboard.. |
| 11:46.00 | Appiah | the bios etc |
| 11:46.07 | Appiah | to see if it supports it |
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| 11:46.52 | Joelio | peterS: been thinking, would a two pass mechanism of mailing bugs list, getting a hash back and then using that hash within the actual mail you want ot send to bugs work? |
| 11:46.52 | jaski | Appiah: no manuals - this was second-hand and very cheap :) |
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| 11:47.10 | Appiah | and you cant find it on google? |
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| 11:47.46 | peterS | Joelio: it would make interacting with our bug tracking system even more cumbersome than it already is. I think you'll find people at your door with torches and pitchforks not long after you implement it |
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| 11:48.38 | Joelio | peterS: surely it's an administative nightmare to have to go through the bugs list and delete the spam in the backend too though? |
| 11:48.42 | jaski | Appiah: The installation went wrong when I finally agreed to let it replace the running kernel. Can I force installation of the Etch kernel some way? |
| 11:48.52 | Appiah | no idea |
| 11:49.02 | peterS | Joelio: blars has it semi-automated |
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| 11:49.29 | Joelio | peterS: maybe he should dish up a procmail recipe based on it :D |
| 11:50.13 | peterS | Joelio: obviously it has to be done at least somewhat manually - everything that can be caught in an automated fashion is already rejected |
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| 11:53.47 | jaski | Thanx for help, 'bye for now |
| 11:54.29 | Enverex | I have an odd issue, my "monospace" font seems to have gone light grey and looks over aliased, anyone heard of that before? |
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| 11:57.13 | lamer007 | hi guys which package contains update-modules.modutils ? since Im trying to run update-modules which only points to update-modules.modutils which is not installed |
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| 11:57.44 | peterS | lamer007: the package is named modutils |
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| 11:57.56 | kiliko | how can i make an dpkg for my script file? i only find howtos how to make dpkgs for src code pkgs. |
| 11:58.18 | peterS | lamer007: I wonder how you got into that situation, modutils should have been installed by default on systems where it is needed. (it is not needed on new etch installations) |
| 11:58.20 | lamer007 | peterS, many thanks |
| 11:58.43 | lamer007 | peterS, no idea, Im trying to fix my brothers computer, he is totaly new into linux and debian |
| 11:58.59 | lamer007 | peterS, and yee he is using etch |
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| 11:59.10 | lamer007 | peterS, so how to update modules on etch ? |
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| 11:59.21 | peterS | lamer007: well, modutils is only needed if you are using linux kernel 2.4.x, which is not shipped with etch (etch only ships kernel 2.6.18), so the only way you can be running 2.4.x is if you upgraded from a previous release |
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| 11:59.52 | peterS | lamer007: the package that replaces modutils and works for 2.6.x kernels is named module-init-tools, and should be installed by default as well |
| 12:00.07 | fasta | It appears Spam Assassin or Bogo filter sends my email to some server (which is not mine). Is this true? |
| 12:00.11 | lamer007 | peterS, so what updates them ? its a deamon on background ? |
| 12:00.33 | lamer007 | peterS, I see modules-init-tools in /etc/init.d/ |
| 12:01.10 | mtoele | how can I get this lintian warning: changelog-should-mention-nmu the changelog specifies the uploader with same name/email as the maintainer in the control file |
| 12:01.18 | peterS | lamer007: well, update-modules used to be needed for building an index of the available kernel modules. with module-init-tools, this is not even needed at all anymore |
| 12:01.19 | lamer007 | peterS, or do I have to put update-rc.d modules-init-tools into rc5.d ? |
| 12:01.20 | fasta | Hmm, AFAIK, it shouldn't communicate with any outside server. |
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| 12:01.44 | lamer007 | peterS, what about other modules created for example by nvidia ? |
| 12:01.52 | peterS | mtoele: did you increment the version number in an NMU fashion? |
| 12:02.06 | peterS | lamer007: you just install them, no need to run update-modules afterwards |
| 12:02.29 | lamer007 | peterS, even when installing nvidia using the driver from website ? |
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| 12:02.58 | RichiH | narf |
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| 12:03.15 | peterS | lamer007: if you want to run depmod -a afterwards, that might be necessary if you aren't planning to reboot any time soon. but update-modules doesn't do anything anymore. |
| 12:03.16 | mtoele | nm |
| 12:03.17 | RichiH | nvidia module & 2.6.20 -> argh |
| 12:03.18 | mtoele | I fixed it |
| 12:03.23 | lamer007 | peterS, or then where to put some special options for modprobing nvidia and let it know about those changes ? |
| 12:03.38 | peterS | lamer007: /etc/modprobe.d/local or indeed any file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 12:03.51 | RichiH | and with nv, there is no way to make dual screen work |
| 12:03.53 | mtoele | peterS: Makefile calls dsc |
| 12:03.57 | Joelio | RichiH: what's up? |
| 12:03.58 | mtoele | dch |
| 12:04.04 | peterS | mtoele: oh, that's pretty broken (: |
| 12:04.29 | RichiH | Joelio: when trying to build my kernel, i get a GPL violation |
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| 12:04.59 | Joelio | RichiH: The nvidia binary blob taints the kernel |
| 12:05.01 | ma3x | how can I launch ppracer and write the output to a file? ppracer >> file.txt won't work |
| 12:05.07 | Joelio | RichiH: it that what you mean? |
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| 12:05.38 | tarzeau | hi RichiH |
| 12:05.42 | Joelio | RichiH: or is it an error actually buidling your kernel? |
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| 12:05.52 | tarzeau | RichiH: 2.6.20.7 and nvidia binaries work perfect here |
| 12:05.58 | Joelio | RichiH: I use .20 and have the binary Nvidia drivers installed |
| 12:06.02 | tarzeau | RichiH: what's the issue? i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 12:06.14 | tarzeau | Joelio: same here, work fine for dual screen setup as well as single screen |
| 12:06.27 | RichiH | Joelio: it's not a mere taint, the current stuff is trying to use an export that is gpl only |
| 12:06.34 | keksi10 | how to install webserv in debian "stable" (apache, php, mysql |
| 12:06.37 | tarzeau | mac`taff: try ppracer &> file.txt |
| 12:06.42 | Joelio | tarzeau: Me too, Beryl runs really sweet too |
| 12:06.42 | tarzeau | ma3x: that was for you |
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| 12:06.50 | iNtERrUpT | Hi~ |
| 12:06.59 | tarzeau | keksi10: just say apt-get install whateveryouwant |
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| 12:07.14 | fasta | Joelio: How did you get Beryl to work? |
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| 12:07.21 | keksi10 | tarzeau: i know but i want know right method.. |
| 12:07.35 | RichiH | tarzeau: what is your version? mine is 2.6.20-2 |
| 12:08.01 | Joelio | fasta: what do you mean? I use the nvidia drivers that support compositing, use sid too.. |
| 12:08.20 | Joelio | fasta: what can't you get to work should I say |
| 12:08.28 | tarzeau | RichiH: linux-image-2.6.20.7-3-dphys-k8-smp-64gb |
| 12:08.37 | RichiH | ah, custom |
| 12:08.42 | fasta | Joelio: Well, last time I tried Beryl it didn't compile |
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| 12:08.49 | fasta | Joelio: I tried the svn version |
| 12:08.55 | fasta | Joelio: from about a week ago |
| 12:08.58 | Joelio | fasta: Just use the apt repo's |
| 12:09.06 | fasta | Joelio: what apt repo's? |
| 12:09.19 | tarzeau | keksi10: the method is right, you just need to decide which versions |
| 12:09.22 | Joelio | fasta: look at the wiki on beryl-project.. all the info is there |
| 12:09.31 | thrall | Is it possible to see which packages can be updated but don't actually update? |
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| 12:09.52 | tarzeau | thrall: yes, apt-get -uys upgrade |
| 12:10.10 | fasta | Joelio: Is that all you did? |
| 12:10.22 | fasta | Joelio: i.e. http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 12:10.28 | Joelio | fasta: this is good: http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/ |
| 12:10.28 | thrall | tarzeau: sweet. thx |
| 12:10.33 | markybob | dont use beryl |
| 12:10.43 | Recently | ex |
| 12:10.44 | Recently | Cracker <- what it means? |
| 12:10.44 | markybob | it merged back into compiz. use compiz |
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| 12:11.00 | fasta | markybob: the compiz package from Debian? |
| 12:11.00 | Joelio | fasta: yes, added the compostite line to xorg.conf - apt-get beryl* emerald - et voila (I'm on sid b.t.w.) |
| 12:11.11 | anapivirtua | Hello world ola Oboro-chan =) |
| 12:11.14 | markybob | fasta: yes |
| 12:11.18 | Joelio | Joelio: but it works great on my etch box too |
| 12:11.41 | fasta | markybob: I have compiz installed, but when I run compiz --replace I don't get the desired result |
| 12:12.06 | fasta | markybob: What do you do when you just have installed compiz? |
| 12:12.09 | Joelio | markybob: I know they beryl packages in the link I listed use compiz backend stuff |
| 12:12.18 | markybob | fasta: this is working great for me "compiz --replace gconf" |
| 12:12.19 | Recently | Xorg¿¡ |
| 12:12.20 | Recently | XglÀÌ Á¦´ë·Î¾È¹ÚÇû³ªº¸Áö. |
| 12:13.09 | Oe_eden | is there an easy option for 'ls' to show all the dirs that end with a '.' (dot)? |
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| 12:13.11 | Joelio | markybob: as they are merging, it's safe to use that branch.. |
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| 12:13.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, still there? |
| 12:13.44 | fasta | markybob: I hear my video card making lots of noise (i.e. it does something), but I lose my window borders. |
| 12:13.52 | markybob | Joelio: as in there is no reason for goin to beryl right now since it's all really compiz now because of the merger |
| 12:13.53 | Trewas | markybob: beryl and compiz are not yet merged |
| 12:13.58 | fasta | markybob: it is the same result I obtained earlier |
| 12:14.19 | markybob | fasta: which version do you have? |
| 12:14.39 | RichiH | tarzeau: can you try rebuilding with the most current version of everything? |
| 12:14.43 | Joelio | markybob: well, from my experimenting with the two I preferred beryl.. plus as they are merging, if you do use beryl.. then eventually you will use the merge |
| 12:14.56 | fasta | markybob: compiz 0.2.2 |
| 12:15.08 | markybob | fasta: might be the problem. i'm on 0.3.6-1 |
| 12:15.12 | fasta | markybob: heh |
| 12:15.17 | dmilith_ | fasta: compiz.. sucks.. |
| 12:15.20 | fasta | markybob: ok, so where did you get your version? |
| 12:15.30 | Joelio | dmilith_ with you on that :D |
| 12:15.31 | fasta | dmilith_: I know it did |
| 12:15.39 | markybob | !info compiz sid |
| 12:15.43 | fasta | dmilith_: I just want to see whether it still does |
| 12:15.44 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 12:15.55 | markybob | !info compiz experimental |
| 12:16.00 | fasta | markybob: ah, ok |
| 12:16.14 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.6-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 12:16.28 | markybob | fasta: there we go. experimental |
| 12:16.41 | ma3x | tarzeau, when I play ppracer it terminates and it resizes my screen (big) and it says File r300_vertexprog.c function t_dst_index line 184 unknown output 3 and then r300_ioctl.c:683: r300AllocDmaRegion: Assertion 'rmesa->dma.current.ptr <= rmesa->dma.current.end' failed |
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| 12:18.38 | ma3x | anyone? |
| 12:19.03 | fasta | ma3x: $ reportbug <RET> |
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| 12:19.50 | fasta | markybob: Know this message? GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. |
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| 12:20.07 | RichiH | tarzeau: ? |
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| 12:20.13 | markybob | fasta: no, i dont |
| 12:20.26 | Joelio | fasta: maybe remove DRI from the xorg.conf? |
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| 12:20.35 | Enverex | A little off topic but does anyone here know anything about Eggdrop? |
| 12:20.38 | fasta | Joelio: I don't have that |
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| 12:20.56 | Joelio | fasta: otherwise google, you may need to do pixmap magic in the xorg.conf for your card |
| 12:21.03 | markybob | fasta: i could dcc you my xconfig if you'd like |
| 12:21.04 | coldsteal | whay is it if i do aptitude update i get "The following packages have been kept back: |
| 12:21.07 | coldsteal | " |
| 12:21.18 | coldsteal | whay is it if i do aptitude update i get "The following packages have been kept back:" pkg name... |
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| 12:21.24 | coldsteal | *why |
| 12:21.28 | fasta | markybob: sure |
| 12:21.30 | beardy | Enverex: That is too offtopic here yes. Check it's documentation. Also, check it's site for it's official IRC channel, and ask there. |
| 12:21.49 | fasta | Joelio: yes, it seems it's a quite popular error message. |
| 12:21.58 | beardy | coldsteal: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 12:22.06 | coldsteal | testing lenny |
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| 12:22.42 | dmilith_ | coldsteal: and how with stability? |
| 12:23.15 | fireba11 | coldsteal: there should be quite a few new packages be moved there right now ... i'd expect it to be pretty bumpy |
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| 12:24.00 | fireba11 | coldsteal: those are packages where an update likely will break something ... you can update them manually with just apt-get installing them again |
| 12:24.17 | fasta | markybob: order of options is irrelevant, right? |
| 12:24.31 | markybob | fasta: afaik |
| 12:24.55 | coldsteal | fireba11: will it break my system manually |
| 12:25.48 | fireba11 | coldsteal: those cases are usually a not 100% compatible configuration or something .. no way to tell without trying if it will work |
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| 12:26.16 | fasta | markybob: maybe it only works from the 9*** version driver |
| 12:26.33 | markybob | fasta: ah, could be. |
| 12:26.36 | Joelio | fasta: you have a nvidia card? |
| 12:26.41 | fasta | Joelio: yes |
| 12:26.45 | spikeb | fasta, if you're talking compisit, you're right |
| 12:27.00 | Joelio | fasta: you need the latest for composite with hardware rendering |
| 12:27.09 | fasta | spikeb: any way to install the 9*** version via apt? |
| 12:27.19 | fasta | spikeb: experimental package, I assume? |
| 12:27.22 | spikeb | fasta, yes. |
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| 12:27.48 | markybob | !nvidia_experimental |
| 12:27.48 | dpkg | i heard nvidia_experimental is not supported here, as it is *experimental*. There's a how-to at http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental if you really want to give it a try. |
| 12:29.57 | markybob | and....i'm out. see you guys later |
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| 12:29.58 | Joelio | am I the only person who just installs the binary from the nvidia site? :D |
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| 12:30.34 | fireba11 | Joelio: yes |
| 12:31.00 | duki | Bonjor |
| 12:31.05 | duki | Bonjour |
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| 12:33.38 | VImtermute | oy! |
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| 12:34.55 | Joelio | fireball: I started jumping through the hopps of doing the modules assistant way, but it barfed, so I just installed the binary and it was working within a minute.. I'm kinda pragmatic about that stuff |
| 12:36.37 | Joelio | sorry, fireba11 even |
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| 12:38.08 | bzed | Joelio: have fun with a broken system on the next upgrade then. if you stay with etch, you're probably fine until you go to lenny... but with testing/unstable... |
| 12:38.11 | praecox | is there any possibility to modify small partition on my USB Flash Memory if fdisk says: You will not be able to write the partition table. ? |
| 12:38.16 | praecox | Disk /dev/sdb: 10 MB, 10485248 bytes |
| 12:38.20 | praecox | Disk /dev/sda: 4098 MB, 4098883072 bytes |
| 12:38.27 | Joelio | bzed: I'm already on sid |
| 12:38.30 | praecox | it looks like it's write-protected partition. |
| 12:38.59 | brainb0x | hi guys, is there any way to recover the apt-get from previous error installation of package? |
| 12:39.00 | Joelio | bzed: So I guess I'll just have fun with my working sid box instead ;D |
| 12:39.07 | |capiira | risky to use testing on the next few months? |
| 12:39.17 | bashologist | What's the best program for gui editing video? |
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| 12:39.33 | bzed | |capiira: it's testing... a bit less unstable then unstable. java could break with the new X |
| 12:39.59 | |capiira | you mean the java gtk installation ? |
| 12:40.06 | |capiira | or java t all |
| 12:40.12 | |capiira | *At |
| 12:40.19 | Joelio | bashologist: Lives? |
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| 12:42.22 | Joelio | bashologist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software take a look at the open source stuff. .. Cinelerra's meant to be good too |
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| 12:43.19 | fasta | Is it a feature of compiz that I can't resize the windows? |
| 12:43.24 | xand | yes |
| 12:43.40 | fasta | heh, ok, so that's how they solved that performance bug... |
| 12:43.48 | Joelio | fasta: just get on beryl mate, haha |
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| 12:44.00 | fasta | In earlier releases it was possible, it only took 90% CPU |
| 12:44.07 | fasta | Funny jokers |
| 12:44.36 | Joelio | fasta: with emerald, the eye candy on my system makes me smile every day |
| 12:44.45 | azeem | Joelio: please don't suggest beryl to people until it's available in Debian |
| 12:44.55 | Joelio | azeem: it is? |
| 12:45.11 | Joelio | azeem: I'm using it now |
| 12:45.11 | azeem | I don't think it is |
| 12:45.13 | spikeb | i doubt it's going to be available in debian, what with the unforking. |
| 12:45.17 | spikeb | brb |
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| 12:45.35 | ma3x | when I run ppracer, how do I output to file/ |
| 12:45.40 | ma3x | ppracer > file.txt ? |
| 12:46.28 | Joelio | azeem: as for being in the official repo's then no.. but what's the problem in *trying* the apt repositories that are listed on the beryl wiki page |
| 12:46.40 | azeem | Joelio: it's not supported here |
| 12:46.53 | azeem | Joelio: so if you suggest it, please make sure you support the person one-on-one from then on |
| 12:47.02 | Joelio | azeem: well, of course |
| 12:47.20 | azeem | for future questions as well, I mean |
| 12:47.29 | Joelio | azeem: yes, no problem |
| 12:47.29 | tolecnal | Joelio: as it is not in the official repositories, it's not supported in any way other than from the beryl-project pages |
| 12:48.02 | tolecnal | Joelio: when, if ever, it makes it into the official repositories the tune will be played somewhat differently :) |
| 12:48.06 | Joelio | guys, just because something isn't 'supported' by the freenode #debian IRC channel, doens't mean that it doesn't exist |
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| 12:48.57 | tolecnal | Joelio: I know it exists, I use it myself. :) |
| 12:49.07 | Maulkin | Joelio: just because it exists, doesn't mean we should support it here. |
| 12:49.44 | jelly | Maulkin: what better channel to discuss running XYZ on Debian? |
| 12:49.45 | Joelio | tolecnal: so what's the problem in suggesting it, I think everyone is aware of this when they make the concious decision to live life on the edge :D |
| 12:50.09 | Joelio | for the record, I never said people would get support, just suggesting to try it |
| 12:50.20 | Maulkin | Joelio: normally, #XYZ :) |
| 12:50.28 | Maulkin | jelly even |
| 12:51.17 | tolecnal | Joelio: the sad thing is, that many people don't.. they think it's fine to mix packages from testing and unstable as well as packages from unofficial reposistories. And when things start to break, and fall apart in the seams they come a' running complaining and bitching why it doesn't work anymore. Happens all the time |
| 12:51.51 | Maulkin | basically, what tolecnal said :) |
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| 12:52.28 | jm|work | my Thunar won't install :( |
| 12:52.45 | fasta | xand: you were incorrect. It is possible |
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| 12:52.59 | fasta | xand: do Alt-MouseButton2 |
| 12:53.00 | xand | fasta: you were gullible |
| 12:53.05 | tolecnal | Joelio: but yes, I concur that people should try other stuff. I myself use the repos that beryl-project offers, and have no problems with them. But when you go over the line and start using unoffical stuff, expect breakage. You should be fairly confident before embarking on the parts of space that no man has ever been before :) |
| 12:53.10 | ProN00b | does anyone know how i can list/remove all packages installed from a specific package source ? |
| 12:53.17 | fasta | xand: read Freenode policy, smart ass. |
| 12:53.31 | xand | fasta: no |
| 12:53.38 | Joelio | tolecnal: I understand, really... shall write a large disclaimer in future :D |
| 12:53.50 | tolecnal | Joelio: great! :) |
| 12:54.04 | tolecnal | Joelio: just don't make it as large as the MS EULA :P |
| 12:54.07 | Joelio | I think if people are aware of something experimental thoguh, they understand that it's potentially suicidal :D |
| 12:54.24 | tolecnal | Joelio: people will fall asleep before they've made it past the first three paragraphs |
| 12:54.43 | azeem | Joelio: if you want to help support people in here, please keep it to the stuff available in Debian |
| 12:55.29 | bashologist | W: GPG error: ftp://gulus.usherbrooke.ca stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key |
| 12:55.43 | bashologist | How do I get the key? Can someone tell me what to copy and paste?! |
| 12:55.46 | Joelio | azeem: I was suggesting something that somebody could use in debian, because I and many othre people on this channel use it? If that's a problem then sorry |
| 12:55.48 | Ronin | bashologist: /topic |
| 12:55.54 | Maulkin | !tell bashologist about no public key |
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| 12:56.41 | azeem | Joelio: yes, it's a problem |
| 12:56.47 | ProN00b | does anyone know how i can list/remove all packages installed from a specific package source ? |
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| 12:57.38 | stew | ProN00b: that information is not retained |
| 12:57.39 | Joelio | azeem: free speech is a problem? :) noted in future to put a large disclaimer in front of my non-official repository debian related, but not really officially debian related problems :D |
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| 12:58.00 | azeem | Joelio: are you deliberately obtuse? |
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| 12:58.59 | Joelio | azeem: no mate, I was suggesting something that someone may want to try and before I could say that it may break your system I had the gestapo jump up, appologies if you think that's obtuse :D |
| 12:59.20 | ProN00b | stew, can i somehow grep through the maintainers, versions or filenames of all packages installed ? |
| 12:59.52 | azeem | Joelio: I said "please don't suggest beryl to people until it's available in Debian", if you think that's Gestapo, I'm baffled |
| 13:00.10 | azeem | Joelio: anyway, EOD for me |
| 13:00.22 | Joelio | azeem: we'll agree to disagree :D |
| 13:00.25 | stew | ProN00b: yes, have a look at the grep-dctrl package for that (and man grep-dctrl). i don't know how you would use that information to figure out where a package came from thoguh |
| 13:00.29 | jm|work | stupid unstable unstable :| |
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| 13:01.00 | ProN00b | stew, well, all packages from that source have a specific maintainer (and apt-cache search seems to search in those too) |
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| 13:02.19 | Joelio | is there another debian channel that I can go to and discuss debian related stuff, but without the strictness and politics? |
| 13:02.20 | fasta | Ok, my opinion of compiz didn't change: it's still the same garbage it always has been. |
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| 13:02.42 | robin_sz | hi, im looking for the apache package that makes the server crash? where can I get it? |
| 13:02.46 | stew | ProN00b: in that case, for instance "grep-status -FMaintainer somedude@somedomain.com" would list packages maintained by somedude@somedomain.com ; (man grep-status) |
| 13:02.47 | Arafangion | What modules do I need to have if I want my external USB HDD to work? |
| 13:02.51 | Joelio | fasta: well, it's in the debian offical repos' get these guys to help |
| 13:02.56 | Arafangion | I've loaded usb-core, and usb-storage. |
| 13:03.05 | stew | robin_sz: for me its libapache-mod-php5 |
| 13:03.10 | fasta | Joelio: I am doing far more interesting things myself |
| 13:03.30 | robin_sz | stew, is the the one that makes it fall over under moderate loads? |
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| 13:04.18 | Arafangion | Damn, forgot to TURN THE THING ON. |
| 13:04.20 | robin_sz | stew, or do I need a special package from Ubuntu? |
| 13:04.22 | Arafangion | *sigh*. |
| 13:04.30 | Arafangion | Forget I even came in here. |
| 13:04.36 | robin_sz | http://www.theregister.com/2007/04/19/ubuntu_website_down/ |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | Arafangion: strange how that works :) |
| 13:04.42 | robin_sz | tee hee |
| 13:04.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: Long time no see! |
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| 13:04.48 | wintix | is it possible to have the kernel assign sda to a specific device rather than the first one it's decovering? |
| 13:04.50 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 13:04.56 | abrotman | Arafangion: hey |
| 13:04.58 | perlmonkey | how do I find out what /dev my printer is? |
| 13:05.03 | wintix | hi perlmonk |
| 13:05.09 | abrotman | what kind of printer .. likely /dev/lp0 |
| 13:05.10 | perlmonkey | (it's a usb epson printer) |
| 13:05.16 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | is usblp loaded ? |
| 13:05.35 | bzed | wintix: I doubt it and I'd nto do it, it'll only lead into confusion |
| 13:05.43 | bzed | wintix: why do you want to do it at all? |
| 13:05.46 | perlmonkey | the printer is actually working fine, but i need to run a command line utilty to clean the heads |
| 13:05.55 | perlmonkey | and its askin what dev the printer is |
| 13:05.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: I'm working on a really cool project at uni (Unfortunately, it's entirely windows based, and the uni is absolutely driven by politics that it's not fun anymore). |
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| 13:06.12 | Arafangion | abrotman: Writing an online game framework :) |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | Arafangion: for college? :) |
| 13:06.25 | Arafangion | abrotman: For University. |
| 13:06.40 | abrotman | weird ... |
| 13:06.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: will you remember to turn it on when testing ? |
| 13:06.52 | perlmonkey | doesnt seem to be lp0 :-/ |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | perlmonkey: is usblp loaded ? |
| 13:07.04 | abrotman | !info printconf etch |
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| 13:07.13 | Arafangion | abrotman: Well, if it's not on, we'll just say "Damn virtual server", as per usual. ;) |
| 13:07.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:07.48 | Arafangion | abrotman: Got a nice 64-bit blade server, all that stuff, but we have access only to a 32-bit VPC instance on it :( |
| 13:07.52 | Arafangion | abrotman: Not even VMware! |
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| 13:07.53 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 13:07.59 | Maulkin | * abrotman needs help ... |
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| 13:08.01 | perlmonkey | I dont see usblp loaded :-/ |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | Maulkin: HEY! |
| 13:08.04 | sgeigerbot` | Can one install a Flash plugin for GNOME Web browser? |
| 13:08.09 | abrotman | Maulkin: how have you been? |
| 13:08.12 | Arafangion | abrotman: Both running Windows 2003. |
| 13:08.18 | Maulkin | abrotman: nae to bad ta :) |
| 13:08.18 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot`: Yes. |
| 13:08.28 | Maulkin | +o |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | Maulkin: you've been hiding (though i did see you on OFTC) |
| 13:08.36 | Arafangion | Maulkin: Are you sure you know what you're getting into? |
| 13:08.37 | perlmonkey | I'm using cups |
| 13:08.54 | Maulkin | abrotman: yeah, spend most of my time there |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | yeah .. my VM help is a bit more complicated :) |
| 13:09.01 | perlmonkey | all I want to know is what /dev my usb printer is referenced as |
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| 13:09.07 | abrotman | Maulkin: we miss you dearly! |
| 13:09.09 | Arafangion | abrotman: What's your VM issue, out of curiosity? :) |
| 13:09.09 | perlmonkey | so i can access it directly |
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| 13:09.31 | Maulkin | Arafangion: he can't find the power switch on the front of the machine. |
| 13:09.39 | wintix | bzed: i have a scsi disk and several sata disks in my box. the scsi disk is used for the system and the sata drives are a raid 5 containing all the data. if i use a stock kernel, only every third boot the scsi device gets sda which is kind of stupid because the kernel looks for root on sda1. i solved it with a custom kernel, having the scsi module compiled in and the sata stuff as module. however i'd like to try xen and am ... |
| 13:09.43 | Maulkin | Or he's looking for the floppy drive |
| 13:09.45 | wintix | ... incabable of compiling my own xen stuff so i would have to use a debian stock kernel which is not possible because of the scsi<->sata fight. |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | Arafangion: i need to run multiple win32 qemu instances all connecting to different VPNs over a single bridged interface .. when more than one tries to connect .. they all go down and then one takes over |
| 13:09.49 | perlmonkey | tried every combination :-/ |
| 13:09.59 | abrotman | Arafangion: so .. yeah .. fun stuff :) |
| 13:10.11 | sgeigerbot | Arafangion: any tips would be welcomed. Is gnome web brower to be treated pretty much like mozilla? or is it very different? |
| 13:10.11 | abrotman | Maulkin: i've removed all the switches .. they're hard wired :) |
| 13:10.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: I would seriously advise you to use VMware server, it's free, though not Free. |
| 13:10.25 | Maulkin | abrotman: Is that the windows remote network vpn thing? |
| 13:10.29 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: for epiphany |
| 13:10.30 | Arafangion | abrotman: And it's /much/ faster. |
| 13:10.35 | bzed | wintix: use UUIDs to specify the device you want to boot from |
| 13:10.45 | abrotman | Maulkin: it's the little win32 VPN thing .. it's not very good .. but that's how most of them work |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: that's my next stop unfortunately |
| 13:10.57 | Arafangion | abrotman: I hear a rumour that they can even share memory between windows clients. |
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| 13:11.09 | Maulkin | Well, if it's using the windows thing, then it's a feature |
| 13:11.09 | wintix | bzed: can UUIDs also be used in the fstab? |
| 13:11.12 | Arafangion | abrotman: One company I know actually runs their build farm exclusively on VMware. |
| 13:11.19 | abrotman | i talked to scarynetworkguy abouti t .. and he said it all shuld be possible |
| 13:11.23 | Maulkin | Arafangion: you only get 1 connection per public ip |
| 13:11.26 | perlmonkey | anyone? |
| 13:11.26 | Maulkin | abrotman: even |
| 13:11.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 13:11.45 | Arafangion | Maulkin: That can be easily worked around ;) |
| 13:11.46 | abrotman | Maulkin: we have multiple going out now on actual work stations |
| 13:11.46 | Maulkin | oh, and one connection per u/p pair |
| 13:11.49 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: thanks, I should have known that. |
| 13:11.50 | perlmonkey | how do I find out what /dev my printer is? |
| 13:11.51 | stew | abrotman: wait, you are running VMs for a vpn thing? or you are running VMs for something else, that also happen to need a vpn? |
| 13:11.51 | abrotman | Maulkin: to different endpoints |
| 13:12.03 | wintix | bzed: well. i will google a bit. thank you :) |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | stew: we're running the VMs so that the user can VNC into the VM and then use the VM to VPN to a remote site |
| 13:12.20 | Maulkin | abrotman: but you're sharing a interface? |
| 13:12.30 | Maulkin | ahh, I see |
| 13:12.30 | abrotman | Maulkin: a single eth0 .. yes |
| 13:12.36 | Arafangion | abrotman: I also seriously recommend RemoteDesktop. |
| 13:12.38 | abrotman | but it's bridged |
| 13:12.40 | tls_81 | perlmonkey: one way is to switch it on and off then look at your /var/log/messages |
| 13:12.45 | Maulkin | abrotman: ahh, got ya |
| 13:12.47 | abrotman | Arafangion: vnc or rdp .. doesn't really matter |
| 13:12.53 | abrotman | Arafangion: the VPN stuff is the problem :) |
| 13:12.55 | abrotman | or qemu |
| 13:13.08 | Maulkin | abrotman: TBH, I'd suggest vmware |
| 13:13.18 | tls_81 | :perlmonkley: obviously its gotta be plugged in.... |
| 13:13.25 | abrotman | the idea is that i will be able to setup one VM image .. and then i don't have to setup the VPN connections on 10 workstations |
| 13:13.25 | perlmonkey | escputil /dev/usb/lp0 -n = lpr: lp: unknown printer |
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| 13:13.35 | perlmonkey | tls_81: it is |
| 13:13.37 | xand | perlmonkey: maybe dmesg will say |
| 13:13.38 | Arafangion | abrotman: Well, first thing is, qemu is *pathetic*, unless you use kqemu, and then it's still slow - you might as well use VMware, especially given that you're running windows /anyway/. |
| 13:13.39 | abrotman | and the damn cisco client changes some fundamental DLL and screws the win32 VPN client |
| 13:13.45 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:13.45 | abrotman | Arafangion: kqemu is loaded :) |
| 13:13.53 | tls_81 | perlmonkey : /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 13:13.54 | Arafangion | abrotman: It's still much slower :) |
| 13:14.05 | perlmonkey | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3 |
| 13:14.08 | abrotman | well .. until this one project is over .. i can't muck with the server too much |
| 13:14.20 | stew | abrotman: are you only using win32 becuase of the cisco vpn client? you do know there is vpnc, right? |
| 13:14.23 | coldsteal | to setup firefox so it works with everything all i need to do is this: aptitude install firefox mozilla-acroread sun-java6-plugin flashplugin-nonfree mozilla-mplayer |
| 13:14.26 | teclo- | hello, for an AMD 79c970 (PCNet32 Lance) card, I guess I need to modprobe mii pcnet32 ... |
| 13:14.28 | coldsteal | ??? |
| 13:14.36 | xand | coldsteal: there's no firefox in debian |
| 13:14.37 | abrotman | stew: only one endpoint is using the cisco |
| 13:14.38 | teclo- | but I still get ISOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 13:14.40 | perlmonkey | tls_81: lpr: lp: unknown printer |
| 13:14.51 | coldsteal | xand: iceweasle or w/e |
| 13:14.54 | stew | abrotman: what are the others using? |
| 13:15.02 | abrotman | stew: AFAIK .. the win32 vpn crap stuff |
| 13:15.03 | tls_81 | do you have cups installed |
| 13:15.11 | stew | abrotman: the one that pptp-linux talks to? |
| 13:15.14 | xand | coldsteal: anyway, how are we supposed to know what you "need"? |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | maybe .. haven't tried |
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| 13:15.31 | abrotman | but i'm still not sure that would alleviate the issue of the VPNs dying |
| 13:15.35 | Arafangion | stew, abrotman: pptp-linux should work, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how the heck to configure it. |
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| 13:16.01 | Arafangion | stew, abrotman: The windows vpn client does wierd stuff, not even Mac OS X 10.2 can connect to it, though 10.3 and up can. |
| 13:16.03 | coldsteal | xand: i mean for regular all aroung browser compatibility (flash/java/quicktime/realplayer...) |
| 13:16.04 | tls_81 | perlmonkey: what brand printer is it? |
| 13:16.04 | stew | Arafangion: if you've got a question, just ask. once i got the first working the rest have been mindless |
| 13:16.07 | abrotman | i really think that i might have to go with vmware .. asking ##linux and #qemu didn't result in anything useful |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | or ##kernel |
| 13:16.31 | Arafangion | stew: No, at the moment I just don't care :) |
| 13:16.32 | perlmonkey | tls_81: it's an epson dx4000, im trying to use escputil |
| 13:16.37 | Arafangion | stew: Windows server, remember? |
| 13:16.48 | berzerka | can i switch my primary group during a session? so that all files created from then on belong to that group per default? |
| 13:16.52 | stew | no, but whatever |
| 13:17.17 | abrotman | it's a fun experiment though :) |
| 13:17.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: #qemu isn't really that bad, depending on the time of the day, but it is a classic open-source culture there. |
| 13:17.29 | abrotman | Arafangion: it can't be worse than #samba :) |
| 13:17.30 | tonb | hey ppl. |
| 13:17.34 | teclo- | guys, it appears you're talking about some cisco vp,n client. In my case, I use kvpnc as cisco vpn client to connect to work and it's pretty decent |
| 13:17.51 | Arafangion | abrotman: Haha, #samba's not that bad! :) |
| 13:17.52 | tls_81 | perlmonkey : http://blog.haerwu.biz/2006/11/26/epson-stylus-dx4000/ |
| 13:17.59 | perlmonkey | tls_81: many thanks |
| 13:18.00 | xand | windows vpn server is great... can connect easily to it from windows/OSX/linux :P |
| 13:18.07 | tls_81 | perlmonkey : he seems to have got it working... even the scanner |
| 13:18.17 | perlmonkey | my printer is working fine |
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| 13:18.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: THe sole advantage of qemu over vmware is that it's free-er, and for small VM's, is potentially (imho) faster, and puts less crap on your system. |
| 13:18.28 | abrotman | Arafangion: i got more help on samba in here than #samba |
| 13:18.31 | perlmonkey | I just want to use epscputil |
| 13:18.38 | sgeigerbot` | What's the recommended way to install flash and shockwave support for ephiphany? I don't see it available in the debian package management repository. (At least, I've tried nonfree-flash and ephiphany-extensions to no avail.) |
| 13:18.41 | abrotman | Arafangion: yeah .. i'm going to play with it some more .. |
| 13:18.47 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: amd64 ? |
| 13:18.48 | wols | perlmonkey: heck your kernel log |
| 13:18.49 | Arafangion | abrotman: While, VMware puts crap on the system, but is easy to use, and faster. |
| 13:18.58 | perlmonkey | maybe I am not getting through to you guys |
| 13:19.05 | tonb | i'm searing for small program. i know that it exist, but again, i don't remember name of it. mayby someone have used it. what program do? it's deamon and it listen on port for magic packet. if u send something like ping to that machine it will execute command that is predefined. |
| 13:19.07 | abrotman | Arafangion: the speed isn't really an issue .. since they're just remoting to another system over the VPN |
| 13:19.08 | tls_81 | perlmonkey : ah...am a hp fanboy... |
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| 13:19.22 | coldsteal | what should i install for "firefox" so it has overall compatibility |
| 13:19.23 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: no |
| 13:19.27 | tonb | anyone have seen something like that ? |
| 13:19.29 | tls_81 | got to rush anyhow.... |
| 13:19.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: even win2k on a 128MB qemu is usable :) |
| 13:19.38 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it's in non-free or contrib |
| 13:19.46 | Arafangion | abrotman: Then you should definetly take a look at VMware on that configuration ;) |
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| 13:20.17 | Arafangion | abrotman: Also, less mucking about with changing cds and usb disks, etc. |
| 13:20.17 | perlmonkey | lets make it simplier... my printer is an Epson DX4000, it is setup and working FINE with cups. The print head has become misaligned, and I am trying to use the "escputil" command line utility program to re-align the heads, it has asking for the /dev to work on |
| 13:20.18 | abrotman | Arafangion: i have to wait til this project that they're currently working on is over .. they're actively using one of the VMs |
| 13:20.21 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: what is the name of "it"? |
| 13:20.32 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:20.48 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 13:20.49 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 13:20.52 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: I already installed it, as my message above states. |
| 13:20.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: Can't you move the VM to another system? :) |
| 13:21.16 | perlmonkey | basically in summary, I cannot get "escputil" to 1. my find/detect my printer 2. clean/align the heads. any help would be appreciated |
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| 13:22.15 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: /usr/lib/epiphany-browser/plugins/ have a flashplugin.so or such ? |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | Arafangion: not currently . no |
| 13:22.43 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: no. |
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| 13:22.55 | Arafangion | abrotman: I hear that Xen can actually move actively running VM's :) |
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| 13:23.33 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: then put it in there |
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| 13:23.47 | abrotman | Arafangion: yes .. but there was another reason i didn't use xen .. and i don't recall it right now |
| 13:23.55 | perlmonkey | has anyone managed to get "escputil" to work with an Epson DX4000 printer? |
| 13:24.06 | robin_sz | I asked about that special apache plugin on #ubuntu, they didn;t seem to know where to get it from |
| 13:24.18 | aubade | Anyone had luck with a 7900GS using what headers are on the repos for stable/testing atm? |
| 13:24.20 | Arafangion | abrotman: Something about needing to run a windows client? :) |
| 13:24.42 | wintix | robin_sz: are you using ubuntu? |
| 13:24.43 | abrotman | Arafangion: oh .. it wouldn't currently run win2k .. and XP is overkill :) |
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| 13:25.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: Xen requires that the client kernel be modified, or to use fancy CPU's that can manage it in (slower) hardware. |
| 13:25.20 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:25.40 | abrotman | Arafangion: the CPU has that ability .. but xen can't run win2k |
| 13:25.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: I'm assuming you are refering to the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/* |
| 13:25.56 | Arafangion | abrotman: I have not actually run xen yet :) |
| 13:26.11 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: that's for iceape |
| 13:26.19 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: because the package flashplugin-nonfree does not have any files that seem to pertain to epiphany. |
| 13:26.35 | Arafangion | abrotman: The way I look at it - it's simply overkill for linux/unix - might as well just chroot the dang thing, and configure the system properly. |
| 13:26.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: Same amount of work either way, I'm sure. |
| 13:26.43 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: no, you are talking about /usr/lib/iceape/plugins/* |
| 13:26.58 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: install it and look for yourself. |
| 13:27.05 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: so just copy the flash plugin to the epiphany plugins folder |
| 13:27.10 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: i install the flash manually |
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| 13:27.34 | abrotman | Arafangion: check back in a few months to see what developed :) |
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| 13:28.07 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: My question is: which flash plugin? There seem to be ones for several browsers: iceweasel, firefox, iceape, mozilla...but not epiphany. |
| 13:28.20 | abrotman | they should all be the same .. use md5sum to verify |
| 13:28.32 | abrotman | perlmonkey: picking bugs out ? :) |
| 13:28.32 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: epiphany uses gecko as the back end, appenartly, so that's why I was thinking of using the mozilla plugin. |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: yes .. but it has to be in the epiphany-browser/plugins directory |
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| 13:29.28 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: Yes, I understand the concept of installing the plugin. I was just wondering *WHICH* files to copy. |
| 13:29.33 | Arafangion | abrotman: I've learned this week, by way of observation, that being a windows admin is the /last/ job I would ever like to do. |
| 13:29.44 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: am I safe in assuming ephiphany is mozilla compatible? |
| 13:29.51 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot`: Yes. |
| 13:30.03 | wols | sgeigerbot`: in case of plugins, netscape compatible |
| 13:30.11 | Arafangion | sgeigerbot`: As far as plugins go, anyway, not extensions. |
| 13:30.19 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: yes it is .. it's the same engine as FF/IW/IA |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | Arafangion: i get to do both :) |
| 13:30.44 | pdf | dpkg where can i find debian |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | !d-i pdf |
| 13:30.52 | dpkg | pdf, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:30.57 | pdf | doesnt work for some reason |
| 13:30.59 | pdf | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:31.01 | Arafangion | abrotman: My job next year is going to be entirely windows :( |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | !tell pdf about ig |
| 13:31.10 | Arafangion | abrotman: But it's programming :) |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | Arafangion: ick |
| 13:31.14 | abrotman | ick ick |
| 13:31.19 | Arafangion | abrotman: C#. |
| 13:31.23 | pdf | hehe thanks again abrotman |
| 13:31.26 | JBond2 | What's the command to list a total file size of directory |
| 13:31.38 | perlmonkey | abrotman: sort of, seems one of the nozzles was blocked :P |
| 13:31.39 | pdf | JBond2, im new but i know this one i think |
| 13:31.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: And the damn System.Xml namespace can't read Microsoft's OWN XML without corruption. |
| 13:31.45 | pdf | JBond2, du or df |
| 13:31.51 | abrotman | Arafangion: cute |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | perlmonkey: on the printer ? |
| 13:31.58 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 13:32.00 | abrotman | du -sk |
| 13:32.04 | perlmonkey | I managed to fix it |
| 13:32.09 | Joelio | JBond2: doe something like du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 13:32.12 | pdf | abrotman i was so close lol |
| 13:32.21 | perlmonkey | but the clean cycle on the nozzles used up 10% of my ink :( now the red light is flashing |
| 13:32.24 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: still didn't work |
| 13:32.27 | Arafangion | abrotman: Today, at another job, I read a Visio xml document with .NET, and immediately wrote it back out - yup, it got messed up. Python was perfectly fine, though. |
| 13:32.28 | perlmonkey | sheesh inkjet = £££ |
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| 13:32.38 | perlmonkey | its a racket |
| 13:32.40 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: you have to restart all epiphany instances |
| 13:32.48 | sgeigerbot` | abrotman: I did. |
| 13:32.49 | abrotman | Arafangion: weird |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: about:plugins .. see it listed ? |
| 13:33.04 | sgeigerbot` | good idea |
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| 13:33.31 | sgeigerbot | no |
| 13:33.32 | perlmonkey | call me cynical, but have they coded in a "mess up the nozzle" sub to the firmware for low ink users to get them to run clean cycles and use up ink faster eh |
| 13:33.34 | ma3x | is there a "flash player" package for iceweasel? |
| 13:34.12 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: then something was done wrong :) |
| 13:34.18 | stew | ma3x: flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:34.32 | Arafangion | perlmonkey: Why do you think they're now selling printer/fax/scanners for less cost than the cheapest scanner you can possibly find? |
| 13:34.45 | ma3x | stew, what about the sites that require me to have java? what package should I install? |
| 13:34.53 | alleyoopster | ma3x: there is also an open source on, is it gnash http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 13:34.56 | stew | ma3x: sun-java5-jre, also in non-free |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | gnash doesn't work so well .. yet |
| 13:35.19 | Arafangion | Is Java6 Free enough for Debian? |
| 13:35.24 | perlmonkey | Arafangion: its all lies |
| 13:35.26 | stew | Arafangion: not yet |
| 13:35.30 | stew | perlmonkey: its not |
| 13:35.45 | ma3x | is the default line for security with or without contrib at the end? |
| 13:35.46 | perlmonkey | stew: i mean what the manufacturers say |
| 13:35.48 | Arafangion | perlmonkey: Where are the details about the shortcommings, then? |
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| 13:35.55 | perlmonkey | "low running cost, separate inks" |
| 13:35.55 | stew | perlmonkey: i mean what the dfsg says |
| 13:36.20 | joeljkp | is there a way to tell apt to permanently ignore a package's dependency (not mark it broken)? |
| 13:36.29 | perlmonkey | stew: you lost me |
| 13:36.32 | Arafangion | imho Microsoft did something correctly when it came to .NET |
| 13:36.34 | stew | joeljkp: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 13:36.49 | Arafangion | (Though they still mucked up RAII) |
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| 13:37.00 | stew | perlmonkey: i think i thought you were talking to Arafangion about is java6 question, but i guess you weren't |
| 13:37.06 | obsethryl | Arafangion: you did not just say that they did something right, did you... |
| 13:37.07 | stew | ^is^his |
| 13:37.08 | perlmonkey | fuk this, 2% ink used up to print 1 page |
| 13:37.11 | joeljkp | stew: cool, thanks |
| 13:37.21 | dererk[work] | Hi there. I've a trouble that I would like to share with you :) |
| 13:37.22 | perlmonkey | wtf? says 400 pages from 1 ink, as if |
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| 13:37.28 | Arafangion | obsethryl: Yes, I did. |
| 13:37.41 | Arafangion | obsethryl: *something*. |
| 13:37.42 | stew | joeljkp: you should definately ask yourself if you really know better than the maintainer about whether or not you should be breaking the dependencies |
| 13:37.44 | ma3x | stew, why can't I find apt-cache search flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 13:37.50 | stew | ma3x: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 13:37.51 | dererk[work] | I've an initd image which _must_ be done with yaird, no one else |
| 13:38.06 | obsethryl | well, i do not see the cross - platform aspect, so that something is more like nothing |
| 13:38.06 | ma3x | stew, here are my lines deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 13:38.06 | ma3x | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 13:38.07 | dererk[work] | But I've un upgrade of initramfs* package |
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| 13:38.34 | stew | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 13:38.34 | dererk[work] | Should I set it hold, to avoid getting into troubles, or it wont give any |
| 13:38.36 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 13:38.40 | dererk[work] | What do you think ? |
| 13:38.41 | obsethryl | raii is all you need, most of the times, and if you need GC, there are plenty of ways to do that anyway... |
| 13:39.02 | stew | ma3x: its there. have you run "aptitude update"? |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | sgeigerbot`: i do have flahs working in epiphany .. so i know it's possible |
| 13:39.39 | PingFloyd | if in doubt browse through the repo |
| 13:39.42 | pdf | 40r0 is etch the new one? |
| 13:39.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:39.48 | stew | pdf: yes |
| 13:39.50 | ma3x | stew, of course, it still won't find it. try add that mirror |
| 13:39.52 | pdf | thanks |
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| 13:40.13 | stew | ma3x: use a different mirror then |
| 13:40.28 | PingFloyd | ma3x: not every repo contains every package for every architecture |
| 13:40.45 | intruder | i hate school dells |
| 13:40.55 | stew | ma3x: oh, wait. are you on amd64? |
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| 13:43.59 | pdf | how am i expected to download 4.4gigs on a 60kb/connection, and worst of all, three, lol |
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| 13:44.16 | wintix | pdf: no. use a netinstall image. |
| 13:44.35 | pdf | ok |
| 13:44.47 | intruder | or juste the first cd |
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| 13:45.00 | pdf | intruder, but theres 3? |
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| 13:45.07 | wintix | intruder: with broadband connectivity, netinstall is mostly the better choice. |
| 13:45.39 | intruder | i agree |
| 13:45.56 | wintix | pdf: have a look here: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 13:46.48 | Joelio | pdf: yes, as said before, get a netinst image. I personally use the one from cdimage, because it uses the new installer and has better hardware support. This may be the default one now since etch went stable, not 1900% |
| 13:46.55 | Joelio | 100% even, haha |
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| 13:47.07 | tarzeau | damn why is k3bsetup not built anymore? |
| 13:47.40 | spikeb | 1900%! |
| 13:47.41 | spikeb | hehe |
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| 13:49.58 | coldsteal | http://tmp.vfat.org/debian-setup-gtk.sh |
| 13:49.59 | arkend | this program network-admin is acting strange. whenever it is invoked, a window pops up with msg : "The platform you are running is not supported by this tool", followed by a list of platforms to choose. anyone knows what's happening? |
| 13:50.55 | Joelio | arkend: you running sid? |
| 13:51.11 | arkend | Joelio: no, 'testng'. |
| 13:51.48 | Joelio | arkend: ahh, I would have thought with the recent lenny change, that may technically not be supported |
| 13:51.53 | Joelio | .. yet |
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| 13:52.20 | arkend | Joelio: when i choose 'testing' fr the platform list, it works. but when i quit and restart, it is back to square one. |
| 13:52.26 | Joelio | or is lenny testing now? |
| 13:53.09 | arkend | Joelio: lenny is testing now, i have upgraded. this should be taken care of. |
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| 13:53.36 | Joelio | arkend: maybe it's not got the lenny tags within network-admin? have you checked bugs>? |
| 13:54.35 | alleyoopster | can someone recommend a light cdburner app over k3b. Would it be graveman, Xcdroast or other? |
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| 13:54.35 | wols | wodim. can't get lighter than that |
| 13:54.35 | Michaelx | Hi All... |
| 13:54.36 | ma3x | stew, yes! |
| 13:54.36 | ma3x | how do you know? |
| 13:54.39 | alleyoopster | wols: I can't be remembering all those options |
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| 13:54.53 | wols | the man page will set you free |
| 13:54.56 | Joelio | alleyoopster: gnomebaker? |
| 13:54.59 | Michaelx | Got 7.04 installed today on my Acer 8204 and can use Beryl :-( |
| 13:54.59 | teclo- | hello, is there some way to redo the debian-installer network configuration ? *after* etch has been installed... |
| 13:55.01 | arkend | Joelio: by that you mean the debian folks have not updated network-admin ? |
| 13:55.14 | alleyoopster | joelio: not really light esp when running gnome |
| 13:55.20 | Joelio | arkend: yes, it's a shot in the dark though |
| 13:55.27 | ma3x | stew, still there? |
| 13:55.28 | alleyoopster | when not running gnome |
| 13:55.31 | wols | Michaelx: there is no 7.04 edbian |
| 13:55.38 | Michaelx | ooops I meant that I can use Beryl :( |
| 13:55.52 | arkend | Joelio: got to look into that, thks. |
| 13:55.57 | wols | Michaelx: we don't care. tell #ubuntu, not us |
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| 13:56.07 | Michaelx | ty |
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| 13:56.41 | wols | !tell teclo- about interfaces |
| 13:57.09 | ma3x | is there flash player available for x64? |
| 13:57.13 | teclo- | wols: my /etc/network/interfaces is alright |
| 13:57.30 | steven43126 | is there a guide for installing vmware server on debian, iv'e tried the any-any patch with no luck vmware freezes when i try to search for an existing vm? |
| 13:57.51 | wols | teclo-: then what is your problem? |
| 13:57.56 | steven43126 | gives errors about libpng and gnome-vfs |
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| 13:58.46 | alleyoopster | steven43126: I followed instructions from the vmware site and got mine working, but it was a while ago |
| 13:58.47 | teclo- | wols: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
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| 13:59.14 | abrotman | steven43126: what's the actual error .. and have you asked #vmware ? |
| 13:59.15 | stew | ma3x: the flashplugin-nonfree is i386 only |
| 13:59.20 | wols | teclo-: load the proper kernel module for your NIC then |
| 13:59.24 | steven43126 | alleyoopster, yes i did the same on ubuntu, and i think this is the same error, but the patch don't seem to work |
| 13:59.28 | kspath | !abrotmoo |
| 13:59.28 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 13:59.36 | ma3x | stew, so that means I can't have flash player on my system??? |
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| 13:59.49 | teclo- | wols: it is loaded |
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| 13:59.53 | teclo- | wols: mii and pcnet32 |
| 14:00.05 | stew | ma3x: there are ways, i'm not the one to ask |
| 14:00.09 | wols | teclo-: ifconfig -a, paste its output |
| 14:00.16 | wols | teclo-: I doubt it is loaded btw |
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| 14:00.25 | pdf | steven43126... |
| 14:00.32 | pdf | http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_sarge_vmware_server_howto |
| 14:00.35 | pdf | its the only one i could find |
| 14:00.36 | stew | wols: unless its loaded and not the interface name he is expecting |
| 14:00.40 | pdf | not the new one, sorry |
| 14:00.44 | ma3x | stew, should I google for x64 flash player linux or what? |
| 14:01.00 | teclo- | wols: it is loaded |
| 14:01.06 | wols | stew: fromt he name of the driver I think it's running under vmware or such |
| 14:01.08 | teclo- | wols: ah, ifconfig -a showed me something ! |
| 14:01.13 | teclo- | wols: there's a eth1 ! |
| 14:01.27 | steven43126 | abrotman, the actual error is http://pastebin.ca/449838 |
| 14:01.28 | wols | the config eth1 now and curse udev as everyone else does |
| 14:01.29 | teclo- | wols: I'm gonna go rename interfaces, that's in /etc/udevsomething/rules .... |
| 14:01.33 | kspath | ma3x: I thought flashplayer was still restricted to 32 bit |
| 14:01.33 | beingm | anybody experience how to run avm fritz isdn card with debian? have some trouble with installing the driver |
| 14:01.41 | ma3x | kspath, it probably is |
| 14:01.41 | teclo- | wols: yes thank you |
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| 14:01.51 | teclo- | wols: yes, already configured udev on other boxes :) |
| 14:01.54 | stew | ma3x: i'd think someone here would know, but sure |
| 14:01.55 | wols | !tell beingm about anyone |
| 14:02.01 | steven43126 | pdf, yep thanks thats one i have tried does not seem to work on etch |
| 14:02.04 | abrotman | !find gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so etch |
| 14:02.24 | ma3x | does anybody know how to install flash player on 64amd ? |
| 14:02.31 | abrotman | there is no flash for amd64 |
| 14:02.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (2): (/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so) in libs/libgnomevfs2-0 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so) in libdevel/libgnomevfs2-0-dbg. |
| 14:02.32 | pdf | steven43126 -http://linux.go2linux.org/node/30 |
| 14:02.39 | pdf | steven43126 -> http://linux.go2linux.org/node/30 |
| 14:02.54 | abrotman | steven43126: install libgnomevfs2-0 .. apparently :) |
| 14:03.04 | kspath | ma3x: I thought you were use the 32bit browser and flashplayer |
| 14:03.06 | steven43126 | pdf, thats one i have tried also lol with the any any patch |
| 14:03.15 | ma3x | stew, I should probably install the 32 bit iceweasel and then flashplayer |
| 14:03.20 | ma3x | kspath, I got 64 bit iceweasel |
| 14:03.27 | ma3x | stew, how do I install the 32 bit iceweasel? |
| 14:03.30 | pdf | steven43126, your doing something wrong i think because all the guides i work with dont lie :( |
| 14:03.31 | abrotman | kspath: hey |
| 14:03.31 | kspath | ma3x: cool |
| 14:03.36 | abrotman | what is this .. homecoming day? |
| 14:03.38 | kspath | abrotman: yeh |
| 14:03.43 | stew | ma3x: use debootstrap to install a i386 version of debian into a chroot |
| 14:03.48 | pdf | VMware Server on Etch (Debian 4) |
| 14:03.58 | kspath | abrotman: I was on yesterday. |
| 14:03.59 | Noboru | I need help please,about SATA HDD work on debian |
| 14:04.18 | stew | Noboru: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 14:04.32 | steven43126 | abrotman, apparently i have the latest version already installed |
| 14:04.35 | beingm | how can i run avm fritz isdn card with debian? |
| 14:04.39 | Noboru | I plan to buy a motherboard which comes from a Dell server is called dell poweredge 830,the mobo itself is based on Intel 7230 chipset |
| 14:04.40 | ma3x | stew, I already have image of a i386 distro (sid) |
| 14:04.57 | ma3x | stew, were you thinking to copy the flash plugins to the plugins/ ? |
| 14:05.03 | Joelio | ma3x: you could try nspluginwrapper : DISCLAIMER: not in official repo |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | steven43126: did you ask #vmware ? |
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| 14:05.16 | stew | ma3x: no, just aptitude install iceweasel flashplugin-nonfree ; |
| 14:05.23 | abrotman | kspath: eh .. never saw you :) |
| 14:05.23 | Noboru | but i was asking the seller,he told me this: we have only tested this mobo with sata hdd on redhat 4.0,it wont work on newer releases of RH' |
| 14:05.29 | Noboru | :( im very pissed |
| 14:05.30 | steven43126 | pdf, dunno i have had this problem before with ubuntu but the any-any patch has alwasy fixed it, no i haven't tried #vmware yet ill see what they think |
| 14:05.45 | kspath | abrotman: came on later maybe you had left. I was quite quiet |
| 14:05.47 | steven43126 | thanks for the input |
| 14:05.53 | abrotman | Noboru: that sounds odd |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | kspath: i was beering :) |
| 14:06.16 | wols | Noboru: RH4 is kernel 2.0.x time. I don't think he told you the truth |
| 14:06.16 | ma3x | stew, if I chroot in /home/ma3x/sid and then install iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree, then would that install to the mounted partition or on my system? |
| 14:06.24 | wols | since back then there was no SATA support at all |
| 14:06.30 | kspath | Noboru: if debian does not end up working fall back to CentOS4 |
| 14:06.38 | Noboru | wols, he is a seller,im not sure if he is familiar with linux though. |
| 14:06.41 | Joelio | Noburu: I'd say Redhat 4 doesn't support SATA, it's about 10 years old :D |
| 14:06.50 | Joelio | get your point though |
| 14:06.59 | spikeb | heh |
| 14:06.59 | stew | ma3x: after you chroot, everything you do happens in the chroot |
| 14:07.03 | wols | Noboru: RH 4.0 was current around the year 2000 or earlier |
| 14:07.08 | wols | back then SATA did not exist |
| 14:07.17 | pdf | abrotman, can i message |
| 14:07.24 | spikeb | seller might've meant RHEL 4. |
| 14:07.32 | ma3x | stew, so what after I install iceweasel and the flash player? it will install them to the chroot not on my system |
| 14:07.38 | Noboru | I see, and he told me the SATA support chip is built onboard ,i think this will help linux debian to recognize it no problem ? |
| 14:07.38 | ma3x | I don't see the point |
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| 14:08.01 | stew | ma3x: the point is that if you run iceweasel from inside the chroot, it will have flash support |
| 14:08.13 | Arafangion | I'd probably recommend Ubuntu if Debian is too much work, rather than go with a cheap knockoff of Redhat. |
| 14:08.14 | stew | but yeah, i don't see the point. flash sucks |
| 14:08.27 | wols | Noboru: it should be possible to make it run. RH doesn't use a special, non-free kernel. debian and RH use pretty much the same software |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | pdf: i'd rather ytou ask evreyone |
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| 14:08.40 | ma3x | stew, that sucks! I'd have to install a separate i386 debian just to run flash stuff |
| 14:08.41 | Noboru | I see |
| 14:08.43 | abrotman | pdf: i have nothing to hide! :) |
| 14:09.04 | wols | Noboru: go to distrowatch and look what kernel RHEL 4.0 uses |
| 14:09.11 | Noboru | wols, so would you tell me, when sata hdd won't work on debian,what is the most possible reason ? the hdd itself or the sata support chipset ? |
| 14:09.12 | wols | debian uses 2.6.18 |
| 14:09.21 | abrotman | Noboru: i'd try etch |
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| 14:09.31 | wols | Noboru: SATA controller. no other reason |
| 14:09.49 | stew | Noboru: debian just made a new stable release just 2 weeks ago, so its got a pretty new kernel. i'd recommend just downloding a netinst installer and giving it a shot |
| 14:09.55 | pdf | Ok! Hi Everyone! I have a question. How would I make "Eggdrop" pre-compiled for each user who types "eggdrop" in their directory. and have it copy over to their directories* |
| 14:09.57 | kspath | Noboru: Etch Debian 4.0 is stable now give it a try |
| 14:09.58 | Noboru | So i think i should look up for that controller from that mobo to make sure ? |
| 14:10.02 | pdf | How's that abrotman hehe :) |
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| 14:10.05 | stew | Noboru: sata HDDs in general work fine on debian |
| 14:10.05 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:10.18 | Noboru | etch ? |
| 14:10.20 | x3n0 | any tips on installing and configuring fglrx? |
| 14:10.26 | abrotman | pdf: install it like a normal app ? |
| 14:10.32 | wols | Noboru: etch is the codename of current debian 4.0 stable |
| 14:10.39 | pdf | abrotman I did this |
| 14:10.40 | stew | Noboru: yeah, etch is the codename for debian 4.0 which was just releasd as debian stable. |
| 14:10.42 | wols | !tell x3n0 about fglrx |
| 14:10.50 | kspath | Noboru: Lenny is the new testing. |
| 14:10.52 | x3n0 | the #ati channel is silent... |
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| 14:11.12 | kspath | x3n0: try your best to keep it active |
| 14:11.19 | pdf | lol |
| 14:11.26 | spikeb | heh |
| 14:11.33 | wols | pdf: use a wrapper script for eggdrop |
| 14:11.54 | Noboru | cool |
| 14:12.02 | pdf | wolf: ok thanks. ? |
| 14:12.03 | ma3x | when I run ppracer, it quits abnormally displaying some errors, but the screen gets fscked up and the mouse stops working so I can't write down to a file the output |
| 14:12.04 | x3n0 | kspath, will this script do the leg work? |
| 14:12.11 | stew | pdf: have you read /usr/share/doc/eggdrop ? |
| 14:12.11 | Noboru | Thank you all, let me find that sata controller now,brb |
| 14:12.14 | ma3x | how can I run ppracer and tell it to write down the output |
| 14:12.47 | stew | ma3x: "ppracer &> somefile" |
| 14:12.48 | wols | ppracer > log 2> err.log |
| 14:12.49 | pdf | stew: no only eggfaq.com |
| 14:12.54 | ma3x | thanks stew! |
| 14:13.27 | stew | pdf: if there is a /usr/share/doc/eggdrop/README.Debian, it would have instructions specific to running it on debian |
| 14:14.04 | pdf | by the way, for this channel. im not so sure it helps. i mean for me it does but im new. not sure about you guys/girls... http://www.eggfaq.com/docs/vi.html vi tutorial. |
| 14:14.24 | Joelio | wols: got a RHEL4 box open.. 2.6.9-22.0.2.ELsmp |
| 14:14.24 | Joelio | Etch will support the chipste |
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| 14:14.54 | stew | pdf: try "vimtutor" |
| 14:14.55 | wols | Noboru: see what Joelio just said |
| 14:15.37 | sohmestra | how do I get the PID of a job that i run in the background? ie: /bin/foo & |
| 14:15.40 | Noboru | Joelio, sata chipset ? |
| 14:15.44 | x_link | Hi... I bought an 7600GT PCI Ex. today, I just plugged it in. Do I have to install any 3D accelerator or what it's called when I'm on Debian? |
| 14:15.51 | x_link | Or is it enough with the nVIDIA driver? |
| 14:16.07 | wols | nvidia drivers will work |
| 14:16.11 | pdf | sohmestra: ps x |
| 14:16.17 | wols | nv won't give you 3D accel |
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| 14:16.30 | wols | sohmestra: man pidof |
| 14:16.35 | Appiah | you need to install the nvidia drivers and then properly configure your X config x_link |
| 14:16.52 | wols | !tell x_link about nvidia |
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| 14:17.23 | x3n0 | apparrently the driver is running...?!? :s |
| 14:17.26 | sohmestra | wols: so there's no bash variable for the pid of the last commannd, sort of like $? for return codes? |
| 14:18.09 | Joelio | Noburu? Don't get what you're trying to ask. I'm saying that if the vendor said the chipset is supported in RHEL4, then it's 99.9% certain it'll be supported in the latest release of debain - 4.0 or etch |
| 14:18.51 | stew | sohmestra: $! |
| 14:19.03 | pingouin | any advices for a good Bittorent handler ? working with firefox/seamonkey ? |
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| 14:19.50 | ma3x | my graphics screw up when I run any 3d application for a while |
| 14:19.59 | ma3x | it uses up the ram and then it doesnt do something ogod |
| 14:20.04 | ma3x | I posted info http://pastebin.ca/449893 |
| 14:20.46 | Joelio | ma3x: did you get my message mate? |
| 14:20.51 | Joelio | ahh |
| 14:20.51 | pdf | I can use DDR in a "DDR SDRAM" system ? |
| 14:20.52 | ma3x | Joelio, yeah thanks! |
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| 14:21.57 | alleyoopster | pingouin: I prefer a separate client like transmission for example, or check out add-ons for firefox, oops iceweasel |
| 14:22.03 | pegger | does anyone have a mac mini server headless??? |
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| 14:22.04 | wols | pdf: yes |
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| 14:22.12 | wols | !tell pegger about anyone |
| 14:22.12 | pegger | does anyone have a mac mini server running headless??? |
| 14:22.15 | pdf | wols thank you |
| 14:22.28 | Nosferatu | daemon (the program) fails to launch a process in normal, background-mode. If I call daemon with 'daemon -f', to run it in the foreground, it works fine. |
| 14:22.39 | pegger | wols: I dont want about anyone I want to know about you |
| 14:22.41 | wols | pdf: DDR is also SDRAM just as Double Data RAM |
| 14:22.43 | Nosferatu | Is it possible it's the child process that's at fault? It's a java program. |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | you know you're doing too much stuff with debian when you go to attempt a url in your own domain and inject 'debian' into the url |
| 14:22.49 | Joelio | alleyoopster:: is transmission available for debia thought it was just OSX |
| 14:22.52 | alleyoopster | Is it possible to get grub installed with XFS? |
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| 14:23.09 | wols | !tell pegger about smart questions |
| 14:23.16 | pdf | wols: ok thanks.. i got confused cause the description said DDR SDRAM and nothing came up on google except DDR |
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| 14:23.38 | PingFloyd | ma3x: you probably don't have a needed module loaded |
| 14:23.53 | wols | !ddos |
| 14:23.53 | dpkg | i guess ddos is Distributed Denial of Service, or http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm, or see slashdot.org |
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| 14:24.14 | alleyoopster | !tell Joelio about torrent |
| 14:24.22 | ma3x | PingFloyd, like what? |
| 14:24.30 | PingFloyd | like snd_seq* |
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| 14:25.07 | alleyoopster | Joelio: apt-cache search torrent |
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| 14:25.43 | Joelio | alleyoopster: yes would have sufficed :) |
| 14:25.57 | pegger | wols: ok fine, my mac mini keeps dropping off the network for some reason, and I am tryign to see if anyone else has similar problems |
| 14:26.04 | ma3x | PingFloyd, I got all necessary modules loaded |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | Improved: help how ? |
| 14:26.15 | alleyoopster | Joelio: ah, but transmission is not in repos |
| 14:26.16 | wols | !ppc |
| 14:26.16 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 14:26.31 | alleyoopster | Joelio: just what I use |
| 14:26.46 | Joelio | alleyoopster: it's in mine? |
| 14:26.50 | wols | ma3x: you clearly don't as the /dev/sequences message shows |
| 14:26.56 | Joelio | "transmission - free, lightweight BitTorrent client |
| 14:27.08 | Improved | Who could help me with DDos in private ? I'm getting seriously attacked. |
| 14:27.13 | ma3x | wols, that's probably for the sound |
| 14:27.25 | ma3x | wols, anyway what should I load for the /dev/sequences? |
| 14:27.31 | alleyoopster | Joelio: lol, your right, didn't come up on search |
| 14:27.33 | petemc | Improved: ssh logins? |
| 14:27.41 | Joelio | ma3x: I don't think that's what's crashing it |
| 14:27.43 | Improved | What does that mean ? :p |
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| 14:27.48 | sohmestra | stew: thanks |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | Improved: paste some logs somewhere |
| 14:28.02 | kspath | !paste |
| 14:28.03 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 14:28.03 | Joelio | ma3x: can you post your Xorg log and conf to pastebin please? |
| 14:28.08 | ma3x | sure |
| 14:28.15 | wols | ma3x: OSS emulation IIRC |
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| 14:28.33 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/449910 |
| 14:28.42 | ma3x | wols, package name? |
| 14:28.44 | Improved | I dont have any logs, i'm getting atacked by 1 person, he somehow makes my OS go wild -> My mouse is getting lagged until i can't even move it, computer usage goes to 100% and my pc is going down (sry for bad english) |
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| 14:28.57 | wols | Improved: if it's really a DDOS, tell your upstream provider |
| 14:29.11 | wols | Improved: are you running debian? |
| 14:29.28 | Improved | From yesterday - No |
| 14:29.33 | Improved | Im using WinXP sp2 :p |
| 14:29.33 | wols | and if so: netstat -an |grep LISTN. tell us what ports show up |
| 14:29.34 | kspath | Improved: Do you know what DoS and DDoS are? |
| 14:29.38 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 14:29.45 | wols | Improved: go away you idiot |
| 14:29.47 | Improved | Yes i know what it means, but i think i'm getting ddos atacked. |
| 14:29.47 | abrotman | turn off the computer .. |
| 14:29.52 | kspath | Improved: This channel is not for you. |
| 14:29.54 | stew | Improved: please find a channel more specific to windows |
| 14:29.59 | stew | wols: don't call people names |
| 14:30.01 | Improved | I'm asking for help, thats all. |
| 14:30.05 | abrotman | turn off the computer .. |
| 14:30.10 | Joelio | ma3x: do you not use the fglrx driver on your card? |
| 14:30.11 | stew | Improved: sorry, we are not able to help you. |
| 14:30.17 | Improved | Why is it so ? |
| 14:30.23 | stew | Improved: you are off-topic for this channel |
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| 14:30.32 | kspath | Improved: This channel is for helping Debian users with Debian. |
| 14:30.52 | alleyoopster | Improved: this is for debian, not for windows, unplug your network and look elsewhere for help |
| 14:30.54 | ma3x | Joelio, nope - I got etch now |
| 14:31.37 | Joelio | ma3x: so you don't use the ATI binary driver? might be worthwile trying, you'll get better hardware acceleration |
| 14:32.31 | ma3x | Joelio, you mean the ATI proprietary driver? |
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| 14:32.55 | pdf | I so am hating ebay right now guys |
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| 14:33.06 | pdf | I love it how the sellers dont even respond back to your emails |
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| 14:34.24 | Ronin | pdf: not everyone lives in front of thier computer and checks email every 5 seconds |
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| 14:35.04 | ma3x | how do I set default browser? |
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| 14:36.16 | StarOfDeath | Hello |
| 14:36.18 | pegger | hey guys I just set up a mac mini with linux, and for some reason aftera couple hours it will drop off the network, the really hard part is that I had to bring the mini to work to do the install because that is the only place that I have a monitor, so I bring it back to my apartment and it gets kind of hard to diginose with no monitor |
| 14:36.19 | StarOfDeath | how are you? |
| 14:36.19 | dpkg | just great, StarOfDeath |
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| 14:36.51 | StarOfDeath | Can you explain me something easy for you? |
| 14:36.57 | chops | pegger: Serial console? |
| 14:37.10 | StarOfDeath | Please take a look at this: |
| 14:37.10 | StarOfDeath | debian:/etc/amavis# ls |
| 14:37.10 | StarOfDeath | amavisd.conf conf.d en_US README.l10n |
| 14:37.10 | StarOfDeath | debian:/etc/amavis# ls conf.d/ |
| 14:37.10 | StarOfDeath | 01-debian 05-domain_id 05-node_id 15-av_scanners 15-content_filter_mode 20-debian_defaults 25-amavis_helpers 30-template_localization 50-user |
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| 14:37.13 | pegger | chops: on a mac mini? |
| 14:37.17 | pdf | Ronin: Are you saying I do? Is that what your saying? I'd bury you if I wasnt so afraid of your ugly face |
| 14:37.25 | chops | pegger: Yes, on a mac mini :-) |
| 14:37.56 | pdf | Ronin: And this is 3days ago.. So yea |
| 14:38.07 | pegger | chops: but there is no serial port, I mean I do it all the time on sun boxes and I have set it up on linux boxes that have a serial port but how would you do it on a mac mini? |
| 14:38.07 | chops | pegger: Oh, no RS232... you could still do it over a USB-RS232 adapter |
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| 14:38.58 | Noboru | Is this the right one for etch retail ? debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 14:39.09 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 14:39.09 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 14:39.10 | chops | pegger: Alternatively you could get a DVI/VGA adapter... do you have a VGA-cabled monitor at your place, then? |
| 14:39.20 | StarOfDeath | Can you explain me something easy for you? |
| 14:39.22 | pegger | chops: I do have some of those laying around, I could try that, I am guessing it is similar to setting up a regular serial one |
| 14:39.27 | stew | StarOfDeath: dont' paste in here |
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| 14:39.34 | stew | StarOfDeath: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:39.46 | StarOfDeath | Thank you stew |
| 14:39.49 | pegger | chops: no vga at the apt, that is the problem, I brough the thing to work to do the install |
| 14:40.05 | chops | You have no monitor at all in your apartment, but you do have a network? |
| 14:40.21 | StarOfDeath | There is a /etc/amavis/conf.d directory on /etc/amavis directory |
| 14:40.29 | StarOfDeath | inside of conf.d there is a file named 20-debian_defaults |
| 14:40.36 | StarOfDeath | Does /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults overrides the /etc/amavis/amavis.conf ? |
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| 14:42.43 | StarOfDeath | There is a /etc/amavis/conf.d directory on /etc/amavis directory |
| 14:42.49 | StarOfDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.53 | StarOfDeath | Does /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults overrides the /etc/amavis/amavis.conf ? |
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| 14:43.35 | chops | StarOfDeath: Whether it does or not, it's probably a bad idea to have contradictory settings in those two files. |
| 14:43.50 | chops | StarOfDeath: Ideally the configuration elements specified in those files should not overlap at all |
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| 14:44.11 | StarOfDeath | Thank you |
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| 14:47.09 | massctrl | where can I find the udev file that maps the nic names like eth0 eth1 and the actual mac addresses ? |
| 14:47.11 | elin | hey, i got a problem with printing via cups. printing is no problem, but there needs to be a page limit per user. I tried to do this via lpadmin - o job-page-limit and - o job-quota-period but the /etc/cups/printers.conf stays unchanged an also after restarting cups you can print as many pages as you want to.# |
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| 14:48.42 | massctrl | never mind, found it |
| 14:49.44 | xand | is there a command that will give a network interface's connection speed? |
| 14:49.54 | petemc | ethtool |
| 14:50.15 | xand | thanks |
| 14:50.30 | petemc | np |
| 14:50.40 | petemc | should be in dmesg too |
| 14:51.40 | StarOfDeath | I had learn the answer the /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults overrides the /etc/amavis/amavis.conf file. |
| 14:51.45 | StarOfDeath | Thank you |
| 14:52.12 | xand | petemc: dmesg quickly filled with firewall crap, and the log files in /var/log/messages dont give speed |
| 14:52.20 | petemc | right, that'll happen |
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| 14:55.10 | xand | hmm stupid cards are using 10Mbps half duplex instead of 1Gbps full |
| 14:55.53 | xand | I don't like how ethtool says "Mb/s" instead of Mbps |
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| 14:56.01 | Joelio | xand: dmesg | grep -i eth | grep -i link |
| 14:56.04 | xand | erm, nm |
| 14:56.11 | Joelio | that'd tell you the link spped |
| 14:56.13 | xand | Joelio: like i said, it's out of dmesg |
| 14:56.33 | xand | dmesg is full of iptables rubbish |
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| 14:56.41 | Joelio | xand: don't get you mate, closed the terminal by accident |
| 14:57.00 | xand | Joelio: dmesg cycles and has cycled that information already |
| 14:57.15 | Joelio | ca |
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| 14:57.30 | xand | within about 2 minutes of booting |
| 14:57.38 | petemc | !printk console |
| 14:57.38 | dpkg | printk console is, like, see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 14:59.12 | carlos | hi |
| 14:59.27 | yasser | is there an app in kde to configure internet? i cant find any.....gnome had this networking utility... |
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| 15:00.36 | carlos | I'm trying to upgrade Debian to etch, but it will remove postfix and install exim4, how can I avoid this? |
| 15:00.59 | petemc | carlos: how did you install postfix? |
| 15:01.01 | carlos | I have set low priority to the exim4 package, but doesn't work :( |
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| 15:01.16 | kingsley | yasser: You might want to ask on #kde or #debian-kde. |
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| 15:01.27 | Joelio | xand: did ethtool and/or mii-tool work then? |
| 15:01.27 | carlos | petemc: apt-get install postfix I think |
| 15:01.29 | stew | carlos: are you following the instructions in the release notes? (/msg dpkg etch) |
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| 15:01.40 | carlos | ii postfix 2.1.5-9 |
| 15:02.11 | stew | ok, obviously not |
| 15:02.16 | stew | carlos: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:02.18 | carlos | stew: no, I'm going to check that out |
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| 15:03.02 | jonlin | Anyone know of any X drivers that support an ATI Rage 128 Pro? (Besides xserver-xorg-video-ati) |
| 15:03.43 | jonlin | the standard one works moderately well, but only with option "NoAccel" enabled, making it quite painful to use |
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| 15:04.05 | Joelio | jonlin fglrx-driver |
| 15:04.19 | Joelio | need to check though |
| 15:04.54 | Joelio | ignore that, don't think it supports rage 28 pro |
| 15:05.27 | christianp | hi all |
| 15:05.30 | christianp | i want to change a german-locales installation in a italian one. I make dpkg-reconfigure locales and i choose it_IT, all seems to work, but the system remains in german... what other? |
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| 15:05.50 | marko | hey, i'm using etch. I setup xorg with a modeline from the modeline generator gtf, but when i stat the xserver it starts with refresh rate 85hz, if i then go to gnome-display-properties i can select 100hz. how can i make this automatic (for other wm's) aswell? |
| 15:05.53 | jonlin | Joelio: I had looked into that, it doesn't support my card, neither does Vesa AFAIK |
| 15:06.16 | freeemind | I'm trying to create a customized debian-installer but kernel-wedge isnt creating the "core-modules" udeb - using the latest d-i svn |
| 15:06.21 | stew | jonlin: vesa must |
| 15:06.40 | freeemind | kernel-wedge module file "core-modules" exists |
| 15:06.48 | jonlin | When I s/ati/vesa in xorg.conf, it can't find any screens |
| 15:07.12 | Joelio | jonlin: I remember there being a seperate driver for rage in XFree - don't know if that was ported to Xorg |
| 15:07.25 | jonlin | Joelio: r128? |
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| 15:08.43 | Joelio | jonlin: yea, it's probably just part of the normal ati package now |
| 15:09.07 | chops | christianp: What's your $LANG variable set to? |
| 15:09.22 | christianp | chops: how can i discover it? |
| 15:09.27 | chops | christianp: echo $LANG |
| 15:09.30 | stew | jonlin: check "man ati" or "man radeon" to see if your chipset is listed |
| 15:09.39 | jonlin | Joelio: Yeah, the ATI driver automatically switches to the appropriate driver (radeon, r128 etc.) |
| 15:09.47 | christianp | chops: it_IT.UTF-8 |
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| 15:10.29 | chops | christianp: Odd... what programs are in german? All? Does 'man printf' show a german man page or an Italian one? |
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| 15:11.12 | christianp | chops: man printf show a german man page |
| 15:11.16 | edwin_quijada | Hi! The Tomcat version in debian 's repository could be installed and this istall java? |
| 15:11.38 | chops | christianp: :-( |
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| 15:12.00 | stew | edwin_quijada: "istall java"? |
| 15:12.31 | sgeigerbot | stew: Java is slow. Perhaps he thought he stopped it. |
| 15:13.10 | chops | christianp: I'm not sure what to tell you, then... I'm as stumped as you, unfortunately. You could check the value of other environment variables ("printenv | grep -i gr") to see if $LC_ALL is defined to German or something... |
| 15:13.10 | edwin_quijada | stew: install java |
| 15:13.19 | stew | edwin_quijada: are you asking if installing tomcat would instlal java? it would |
| 15:13.29 | edwin_quijada | stew: Yes |
| 15:13.33 | stew | yes |
| 15:13.56 | edwin_quijada | stew: I mean if install Tomcat automatically this install java |
| 15:14.31 | stew | edwin_quijada: yes. if you install tomcat. a free java implementation will be installed with it to satisfy its dependency on java2-runtime |
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| 15:14.49 | sgeigerbot | edwin_quijada: Java used to be non-free, so a gnu alternative to java might have been installed. However, java is now free, so it should install fine. |
| 15:14.49 | christianp | chops: LANGUAGE=de |
| 15:14.55 | sgeigerbot | I think. |
| 15:14.57 | christianp | chops: how can i change this? |
| 15:15.01 | stew | sgeigerbot: suns java is not free |
| 15:15.07 | spikeb | yet |
| 15:15.07 | stew | (yet) |
| 15:15.11 | spikeb | heh |
| 15:15.18 | edwin_quijada | sgeigerbot: I am using Lenny(etch4) |
| 15:15.20 | sgeigerbot | Or is the real java not in Debian yet? still it's unfree? What? I thought they changed the licensing. |
| 15:15.24 | edwin_quijada | java is here |
| 15:15.30 | sgeigerbot | damn buggers. |
| 15:15.59 | stew | edwin_quijada: which? lenny or etch? etch is debian 4. lenny is debian testing. hopefully you are not mixing the two |
| 15:16.09 | edwin_quijada | the question this option to java works fine with Tomcat |
| 15:16.34 | stew | sgeigerbot: its not in debian yet. they changed the licensing to allow debian to distribute it (which it is doing in non-free), but they still haven't opened all of the source |
| 15:16.39 | edwin_quijada | stew: No! I am using the last stable |
| 15:16.40 | sgeigerbot | stew: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6134584.html Sun picks GPL license for Java code |
| 15:17.10 | sgeigerbot | stew: okay. |
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| 15:18.01 | stew | sgeigerbot: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5_1.5.0-11-1/sun-java5-jre.copyright its not gpl yet |
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| 15:18.39 | stew | sgeigerbot: "royalty-free limited license to reproduce and use the Software internally, complete and unmodified |
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| 15:19.33 | sgeigerbot | stew: which parts arent' going to be GPLed? |
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| 15:20.09 | sgeigerbot | stew: Oh well, it doesn't really matter. |
| 15:20.09 | chops | christianp: Try "unset LANGUAGE; export LANGUAGE; man printf" and make sure it's working for you |
| 15:20.13 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: it just hasn't happened .. yet |
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| 15:20.29 | sgeigerbot | stew: just knowing it is in non-free (eventually) is good enough for me. I'm not going to do development with java. |
| 15:20.42 | chops | christianp: If that does work, you should track down what it is that's setting $LANGUAGE (possibly /etc/profile) and fixing it |
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| 15:21.18 | chops | christianp: $LANG is all that I've ever set on my systems... but it might be safer to set $LANGUAGE to "it" than to unset it |
| 15:21.35 | stew | sgeigerbot: the plan is to gpl it all. in stages though. i thihk they have opened up much of the jvm, but not the class libraries yet (but i haven't checked in a while) |
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| 15:22.23 | atealtha | is there a known issue with apache2.2 and mod_rewrite with etch? |
| 15:22.27 | sgeigerbot | stew: okay, good. I thought you guys were telling me that Sun had played a trick on me. |
| 15:22.40 | christianp | chops: how can i set $LANGUAGE to it? |
| 15:23.19 | chops | christianp: Saying "export LANGUAGE=it" will work for the session you're currently in |
| 15:24.44 | chops | To set it for all future logins, you'll have to track down where it's set (possibly /etc/profile) and fix it there... |
| 15:24.49 | christianp | no, in /etc/profiles it's not setted... but thanks anyway ;) |
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| 15:28.34 | simmerz | I'm trying to restart proftpd and I'm getting this error: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'galvatron.themlondon.com' error: Name or service not known |
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| 15:29.03 | xand | Joelio: for this particular network driver, it doesn't say what hte speed is in dmesg... just "r8169: eth0: link up" |
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| 15:29.22 | stew | simmerz: galvatron.themlondon.com is the hostname of the server? |
| 15:29.29 | simmerz | stew yes. |
| 15:29.31 | stew | simmerz: does "galvatron.themlondon.com" appear in /etc/hosts ? |
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| 15:29.46 | simmerz | yes, but not for ipv6. in fact all ipv6 is commented out |
| 15:30.15 | stew | simmerz: does "getent hosts galvatron.themlondon.com" return an ip? |
| 15:30.31 | darrh00 | I read from beryl's wiki that it has been submitted for upload to Debian unstable,but I still can not find it ,why? |
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| 15:30.49 | simmerz | stew yes |
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| 15:31.21 | jelly-home | Hi, is there any place to see the status of buildds (esp. for i386 arch)? I've been waiting for a certain package for about 3 days. ;-) |
| 15:31.30 | xand | darrh00: I guess it hasn't been "released" yet |
| 15:32.01 | darrh00 | xand:maybe I should find it in experimental? |
| 15:32.04 | stew | darrh00: they are in the NEW queue: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html which means the ftp masters are checking the packages to make sure they are ok for debian to include |
| 15:32.07 | Danux | random question... how come /etc is called etc? What does/is etc stand/short for? |
| 15:32.23 | stew | simmerz: try uncommenting the ipv6 stuff in /etc/hosts maybe? |
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| 15:32.44 | simmerz | stew: it was earlier. thats why i commented it out after i got the error, but it made no difference |
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| 15:34.03 | simmerz | stew: ah found the fix: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p6 and search for IPv6 getaddrinfo |
| 15:34.06 | dmilith | anyone knows something more about sparse memory option in kernel? |
| 15:34.11 | izzyb | Is it safe to do an apt-get upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 15:34.21 | xand | izzyb: do dist-upgrade |
| 15:34.29 | stew | izzyb: no, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:34.29 | xand | izzyb: and that's probably safe :) |
| 15:34.35 | stew | xand: its probably not |
| 15:34.37 | jelly-home | izzyb: you really want to read the release notes. |
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| 15:34.44 | xand | stew: why is dist-upgrade not? |
| 15:34.51 | stew | xand: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:35.00 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.09 | stew | xand: its likely to cause stuff like the running kernel to be removed |
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| 15:35.22 | izzyb | I don't know if I had the latesst updates in from sarge before, should I change /etc/apt/sources to us sarge instead of stable for my sources? |
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| 15:35.28 | stew | xand: (and other such dependency problems) |
| 15:35.36 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 15:35.38 | MementoMori | what about this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375077 |
| 15:35.51 | MementoMori | is there a workaround in etch? |
| 15:35.58 | stew | izzyb: yes, you should get up to date with sarge before following the upgrade procedure in the release notes |
| 15:36.29 | xand | oh well |
| 15:36.31 | stew | MementoMori: in general, if we new a fix, we would have put it into that bug |
| 15:36.32 | izzyb | Is it generally recommended you use your distro name instead of main in your apt list? |
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| 15:36.56 | beingm | how can i add greek language support to etch? set-language-env && locale-gen didnt help |
| 15:36.58 | stew | izzyb: yes, (assuming you mean, instead of 'stable') |
| 15:36.58 | izzyb | I ran into problems with the release of sarge as well related to this problem |
| 15:37.07 | izzyb | stew: yes |
| 15:37.14 | stew | beingm: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 15:37.29 | MementoMori | stew: so this means ldap auth in debian wont work at all?? |
| 15:37.45 | stew | MementoMori: i don't know. i haven't read the bug |
| 15:37.53 | beingm | @stew, i did that too, and could select el_gr.UTF8 |
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| 15:38.07 | beingm | but didnt work. |
| 15:38.18 | stew | beingm: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
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| 15:38.25 | izzyb | hmm, should I rename testing to etch in sources.lst? |
| 15:38.58 | beingm | it is set to german, the default language, because el_gr.utf8 does not exist (the errormessage when gnome is starting) |
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| 15:39.15 | stew | MementoMori: "Have you tried the configuration proposed on bug#349509?: |
| 15:39.19 | beingm | but i can select greek in gdm |
| 15:39.33 | MementoMori | stew: let me see |
| 15:39.35 | izzyb | I was using a couple of packages from testing, but don't recall which. |
| 15:40.01 | izzyb | I'm assuming that is now stable/etc |
| 15:40.19 | jonlin | Wha...?! Why wasn't GCC/ld/make installed when I reinstalled? |
| 15:40.34 | stew | izzyb: set it to sarge, dist-upgrade to make sure you are fully up to date with sarge, then start reading chapter 4 of the release notes |
| 15:40.47 | stew | jonlin: aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:40.52 | darrh00 | why my /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid? |
| 15:41.05 | stew | izzyb: in general, you should never mix testing packges into a stable install |
| 15:41.06 | jonlin | stew: Cheers |
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| 15:41.29 | MementoMori | bugs.debian.org seems to be down........ |
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| 15:42.06 | stew | MementoMori: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/ is a mirror |
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| 15:42.25 | stew | darrh00: becuase you upgraded base-files to the lenny or sid version |
| 15:42.41 | izzyb | stew, I don't even remember what it was I installed from testing. is there a way to find out? |
| 15:42.42 | rahul | WEEEEE |
| 15:42.43 | Maulkin | b.d.o works for me |
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| 15:42.52 | rahul | got 3 cds in the mail last night |
| 15:42.54 | MementoMori | mmmmm no.... it's my fault...... seems I have some dns problem........ |
| 15:42.58 | MementoMori | :( |
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| 15:43.06 | stew | izzyb: apt-show-versions maybe, but, it shouldn't matter if you are going to upgrade to etch now |
| 15:43.11 | rahul | WE... are the music makers |
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| 15:43.40 | kspath | MementoMori: I see pictures of dead people. |
| 15:43.56 | izzyb | stew, I hadn't planned on going quite that far right now. I was looking to do an update because I'm having problems with samba hanging and was hoping there was an update that fixes the problem |
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| 15:44.09 | MementoMori | anyway.... thank you stew for your pointer.... I'll see 349509 asap |
| 15:44.09 | darrh00 | stew:I remeber that it was etch/testing,or sid/unstable,but not etch/sid ,right? |
| 15:44.11 | rahul | I am dead people |
| 15:44.28 | rahul | this is not your mother's dead people. |
| 15:44.32 | intruder | darrh00: no, now its etch/stable |
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| 15:44.59 | intruder | and now lenny/testing and sid is always unstable |
| 15:45.04 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 15:45.48 | stew | darrh00: it used to say testing/unstable, yes |
| 15:46.04 | stew | darrh00: you realize that lenny is testing and sid is unstable, right? |
| 15:46.08 | beingm | what do i need to do except dpkg-reconfigure locales && locale-gen to add language support into my system? |
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| 15:46.37 | stew | beingm: what does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 15:47.10 | izzyb | stew, I'm also using sarge-backports as a source and see most of the updates are coming down from it. is this going to be a problem? |
| 15:47.27 | stew | izzyb: that won't be a problem |
| 15:48.05 | beingm | @stew: it is set to german, because it cant find greek |
| 15:48.26 | stew | beingm: it says "german"? |
| 15:48.44 | abrotman | nice useless descrpition .. http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-alpha-legacy |
| 15:48.45 | rahul | Auf Deutch! |
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| 15:49.13 | beingm | @stew: de-DE.UTF8 |
| 15:49.25 | spikeb | how's that useless? |
| 15:49.31 | darrh00 | stew:Maybe. I am totally confused :( |
| 15:49.41 | izzyb | stew, thanks for the info. I've done apt-get upgrade, but will wait until after the office closes to do the dist-upgradde |
| 15:49.47 | rahul | why can abcde find the cddb entry for this album but itunes can't? |
| 15:49.49 | rahul | tards |
| 15:49.59 | wintix | rahul: "Deutsch" |
| 15:50.07 | rahul | wintix: oops |
| 15:50.13 | wintix | ;) |
| 15:50.14 | rahul | yeah, I know that :) |
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| 15:50.14 | izzyb | looks like samba has an update that was held back. hopefully it'll fix my issues :) |
| 15:50.25 | stew | beingm: and does the locale you want to use exist in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 15:50.29 | rahul | I was about to say that's what I typed :P |
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| 15:50.48 | wintix | heh |
| 15:50.58 | izzyb | then I'll check out the upgrade info to go to etch stable |
| 15:51.30 | beingm | @stew: yes there is the entry el-GR.UTF8 besides german, yes |
| 15:51.57 | stew | beingm: and does setting your LANG variable to el-GR.UTF8 work? |
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| 15:52.33 | rahul | /dev/disk/by-id/ doesn't support CDROMs? |
| 15:52.49 | spikeb | interesting, the kernel source package is marked dfsg even though the kernel clearly does not meet the dfsg |
| 15:53.06 | darrh00 | I want to use kernel-2.6.20 in unstable and also need kernel-header and kbuild,but kbuild depend on libc6-2.5-2,is it safe to upgrade libc6 to 2.5-2? |
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| 15:53.19 | tuxplorer | There is a package named haskell98-tutorial.. I installed it.. but how do I invoke whatever that package has installed? |
| 15:53.34 | rahul | tuxplorer: dpkg -L <package> to see what it installeed |
| 15:54.32 | DukeDrake | What should I think of when I try to simply 'copy' an installed linux System to another PC? |
| 15:54.40 | DukeDrake | I'm using cp -a ..... |
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| 15:54.56 | tuxplorer | rahul: Thanks |
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| 15:56.08 | xoz | DukeDrake: contents of /proc should not be copied because it is virtual. also, tmp permission should be edited. |
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| 15:56.25 | beingm | @stew: thanks, it worked! set in .bashrc export LANG=el-gr.UTF8 and restarted system. selected in gdm again greek session and it works now! |
| 15:56.38 | darrh00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.50 | DukeDrake | proc is clear... What is it about tmp, 'cp -a' doesn't handle? |
| 15:56.58 | xoz | DukeDrake: also edit /etc/fstab |
| 15:57.08 | xoz | DukeDrake: and /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:57.27 | xoz | DukeDrake: setuid |
| 15:57.44 | DukeDrake | It's the same PC ... The current system is on 512MB flash and will be copied to 1GB ... |
| 15:58.12 | DukeDrake | (I already tried and am currently getting a kernel panic) |
| 15:58.32 | xoz | DukeDrake: probably initrd image |
| 15:58.42 | DukeDrake | hm? |
| 15:59.21 | xoz | DukeDrake: are you sure grub menu.lst is correct regarding your drive? |
| 16:00.32 | xoz | DukeDrake: boot from flash. chroot to new root. run grub from there. |
| 16:00.32 | DukeDrake | xoz: there is no grub on that system. The bios reads the kernel directly.... |
| 16:00.57 | DukeDrake | kernelfile* |
| 16:01.03 | xoz | DukeDrake: what is the system? and are your running debian? |
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| 16:01.27 | DukeDrake | it's debian, running on an IBM thinclient. |
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| 16:01.57 | DukeDrake | In general all of this should work, I'm sure the kernel panic is because of a minor mistake... |
| 16:02.01 | xoz | you need to give more info about the panic. maybe pastebin? |
| 16:02.22 | DukeDrake | hm... have to restart it =) |
| 16:02.24 | DukeDrake | hang on |
| 16:02.26 | xoz | DukeDrake: checked if fstab entry was ok? |
| 16:02.59 | DukeDrake | I got /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 0 0 |
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| 16:03.36 | DukeDrake | The only thing that changes is the size of the flash card o.o |
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| 16:04.03 | MementoMori_ | mmmm |
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| 16:04.45 | MementoMori_ | stew: I saw the proposed solution.... let's see if it works for me |
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| 16:06.28 | pdf | Ok. I really would like the DVD isos, but debian cannot be serious about this. 50KB/s from every single FTP I go into. |
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| 16:06.40 | DukeDrake | ok... |
| 16:07.12 | xsdg | pdf: have you tried bittorrent? I'd imagine the ftp sites are rate-limited so they don't get hammered too much |
| 16:07.14 | DukeDrake | (mh, how could I paste the messages when the system hasn't booted up completely?) |
| 16:07.23 | xsdg | DukeDrake: take a picture |
| 16:07.40 | pdf | xsdg: I havent no. Good thinking, let me try! :) |
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| 16:09.10 | pdf | xsdg: It might take a week lol. but its worth a tryt./ |
| 16:09.12 | pdf | try* |
| 16:09.28 | DukeDrake | xsdg: good idea... |
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| 16:10.24 | carlos | does any one has problems with the etch posftix init script? |
| 16:11.00 | carlos | it only recognaizes the stop command, nor start or restart or reload... |
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| 16:11.14 | carlos | fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, or check) |
| 16:11.21 | carlos | but only stop works |
| 16:11.31 | pdf | When was ETCH released, how long ago. |
| 16:11.37 | DukeDrake | xsdg: is there a place where I can paste pictures? |
| 16:11.48 | pdf | DukeDrake; www.imageshack.us |
| 16:11.51 | jago25_98 | What's the word to search for for throttling down (slowing down) apt downloads? |
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| 16:12.40 | steven43126 | jago25_98, Qos, Traffic control ? |
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| 16:12.51 | Ronin | ahh childish insults about my looks |
| 16:13.03 | Noboru | excuse me,is Etch a 32bit OS or ... ? |
| 16:13.22 | jago25_98 | steven43126, I have to use system wide QoS; apt has no bandwidth control option? |
| 16:13.24 | pdf | Ronin, thats nice, now stfu, kthx, welcome to /ignore |
| 16:13.35 | Ronin | heh another child on a computer i see |
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| 16:13.51 | steven43126 | jago25_98, that i don't know about |
| 16:14.24 | pdf | Ronin called me a child cause I ignored him? Haha. I'm definantly sticking around this network lol. |
| 16:14.32 | Improved | Who can help me with installing debian *.iso into DVD ? - When i try to burn an IMAGE or just COPY data -> I allways get an error at 100% = |
| 16:14.34 | Improved | could not perform end of disc-at-once |
| 16:14.40 | |chiz| | pdf: etch was release as stable easter sunday/monday |
| 16:14.45 | Ronin | Noboru: not positive but i believe theres a 32 and 64bit release |
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| 16:14.46 | jago25_98 | steven43126, has there been any developments in the last year that have made QoS really easy? (in case I missed something) |
| 16:14.59 | amphi | pdf: it rose again on the third day |
| 16:15.05 | Ronin | no pdf i called you childish from what ive seen of your behavior |
| 16:15.11 | Noboru | Ronin, I see |
| 16:15.19 | steven43126 | jago25_98, http://www.wlug.org.nz/DebianNotes |
| 16:15.27 | Ronin | Noboru: but im sure if you idle around a bit someone who knows for sure will answer |
| 16:15.39 | Noboru | ok |
| 16:15.46 | |chiz| | anyone want to write my os exam for me??? |
| 16:15.54 | Maulkin | |chiz|: I will |
| 16:15.57 | steven43126 | jago25_98, lol not last time i checked there are scripts you can use check out trickle |
| 16:16.10 | Maulkin | |chiz|: ps: do you want to actually pass it? |
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| 16:16.14 | |chiz| | Maulkin: what qualifies you too? |
| 16:16.38 | Maulkin | |chiz|: I'm good at making up stories about cookies and icecream |
| 16:16.44 | Maulkin | !tell Improved about ask |
| 16:16.45 | happy_broccoli | http://www.digg.com/general_sciences/Robert_Bussard_Electrostatic_Fusion_contract_renewed_by_the_Navy |
| 16:16.51 | |chiz| | Maulkin: perfect |
| 16:17.12 | pdf | Ronin: What behavior? I asked a question and you sarcasticly answered me in a rude tone. This is the last I answer you. I hope you enjoy idling in a channel that you know nothing about. But half of us are here to learn. Not be called out by a two-faced scumbag. |
| 16:17.15 | cydork | ohh it's sunday already? |
| 16:17.44 | |chiz| | pdf & Ronin: just drop it guys |
| 16:17.56 | Ronin | heh done and done |
| 16:17.57 | DukeDrake | ok |
| 16:17.59 | Noboru | can a 64bit CPU work on 32bit debian etch ? |
| 16:18.04 | DukeDrake | http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0002iu0.jpg |
| 16:18.12 | Maulkin | pdf / Ronin : That's enough please. Find another channel if you want to carry on arguing |
| 16:18.13 | kspath | cydork: apparently, for some values of Sunday and day. |
| 16:18.20 | |chiz| | Noboru: probably |
| 16:18.21 | cydork | Noboru: yes. |
| 16:18.21 | Ronin | long sine done Maulkin |
| 16:18.22 | steven43126 | Noboru, yep |
| 16:18.23 | DukeDrake | xoz: http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0002iu0.jpg |
| 16:18.26 | Ronin | since even |
| 16:18.28 | Maulkin | Thanks |
| 16:18.29 | |chiz| | Noboru: what cpu do you have? |
| 16:18.44 | steven43126 | If AMD64 i belive it supports mixed mode |
| 16:19.00 | Noboru | I see,by the way, if i use a 64bit etch for my 64bit cpu,how about the other applications ? |
| 16:19.07 | Noboru | i mean,they must be 64bit or no? |
| 16:19.10 | Maulkin | Improved: Please don't constantly ask. See the imformation dpkg sent you |
| 16:19.13 | cydork | Noboru: which cpu do you have?? |
| 16:19.15 | Noboru | it is pentium D 915 |
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| 16:19.32 | Improved | No1 can help me ?! |
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| 16:19.41 | steven43126 | Noboru, no you can use 32bit apps with a 64bit OS but it gets confusing with libs and dependices etc |
| 16:19.41 | |chiz| | Noboru: just install the x86 kernel |
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| 16:19.56 | cydork | Noboru: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:20.05 | |chiz| | Noboru: 32bit will make our life easier |
| 16:20.13 | DukeDrake | xoz:? |
| 16:20.17 | Noboru | i see,thanks |
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| 16:26.51 | talisker | HI, SORRY IN ADVANCE FOR THE CAPS, BUT THEY ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM |
| 16:27.06 | xand | talisker: what caps? |
| 16:27.08 | bam | doh |
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| 16:27.27 | Throat | shhe |
| 16:27.29 | Throat | hehe |
| 16:27.30 | talisker | HOW DO I MAKE MY SYSTEM SWITCH A KEYMAP? I,M STUCK ON HEBREW AND THE VNC CLIENT I'M USING IS TOO RETARDED TO SEND MY TOGGLE KEY |
| 16:27.46 | cydork | !keymap |
| 16:27.46 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 16:28.54 | DukeDrake | this is getting serious ... I'm getting EXT2-fs errors all the time... |
| 16:29.04 | DukeDrake | Time for the new flash card to work >.> |
| 16:31.43 | militant | hmmmm kopete is inserting at the end of all my msg's sent to aim users. odd behaviour. i think i shall google it, and if it's not a known issue or has no fix, i think i shall fix it... |
| 16:31.43 | talisker | I NEED TO REMEMBER TO SWITCH TO ENGLISH BEFORE I LEAVE HOME... ANYWAY TO ARTIFICIALLY SEND MY SYSTEM THE KEY? |
| 16:31.52 | wols | please stop using caps lock. please |
| 16:31.56 | cydork | talisker: use LANG=C your command. |
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| 16:32.25 | cydork | hmm bahh i am nuts.. |
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| 16:33.31 | talisker | I THINK I'LLL FORGET ABOUT VNC FOR TODAY, THANKS |
| 16:33.52 | Ronin | talisker: press your caps lock key please |
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| 16:34.17 | drwahl | does etch/lenny support LTSP out of the box? |
| 16:35.07 | cydork | drwahl: well it has ltsp packages. you will have to install them though :) |
| 16:35.25 | Noboru | installing etch |
| 16:35.37 | Noboru | it automatically selected to install base system |
| 16:35.47 | Noboru | this is just what i need :) neat |
| 16:35.55 | drwahl | cydork: thanks |
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| 16:37.48 | Spork_Boy | okay... got GNUsTicker compiled and installed, and it still gives me an error when trying to add it to the panel. Anybody know what to do about this? |
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| 16:38.51 | wols | Spork_Boy: if there is an error, be precise |
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| 16:40.26 | drwahl | ok, so i have a mac 6500/225 that i plan on installing debian on. Any suggestions on what i should use it for? i was thinking setting it up as an ssh server (to allow me access to the rest ofmy network), but thought that might be a waste |
| 16:40.53 | Spork_Boy | wols: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_GNUsTicker". |
| 16:41.33 | spikeb | drwahl, serving whatever you need serving :) |
| 16:41.33 | Throat | Ronin: he could not... he had problems with his keymap and some weird VNC-setup to be able to type in english. |
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| 16:43.37 | drwahl | spikeb: i already have a file server, a webserver, and a linux router, i was thinking maybe a terminal server, but i didnt know how many resources that would require |
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| 16:43.51 | spikeb | drwahl, try it |
| 16:44.23 | pdf | DukeDrake |
| 16:44.26 | pdf | Are you here? |
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| 16:45.42 | Noboru | shall i select 'install a standard system' ? since it already installed a base system |
| 16:45.55 | Noboru | The installer has changed a bit in this etch,hmm |
| 16:46.03 | spikeb | Noboru, yeah, at the very least install that |
| 16:46.16 | Noboru | I would just need a Minimal system this is what i used to do |
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| 16:46.23 | Noboru | oh ? |
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| 16:46.48 | Inf3rn0 | Is it enough to change the hash in /etc/shadow to change someone's password, or do I have to use passwd to do it? |
| 16:47.00 | drwahl | ok, next problem... i want to install debian on my mac, via net-install, but my CD drive doesnt work. is a floppy network install a reasonable process? |
| 16:47.04 | Noboru | spikeb, what if i skip this 'standard install' ? |
| 16:47.09 | stew | Inf3rn0: its enough to change shadow, but use caution |
| 16:47.10 | Sebboh | Etch is released? Huh. I wonder if I should do a fresh install... During testing, upgrade users didn't have utf-8, but new installs had it by default... I wonder if there is anything else like that. |
| 16:47.24 | xsdg | Inf3rn0: you can just change the hash, though its's better to use passwd to make sure the hashing methods match exactly |
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| 16:47.46 | spikeb | Noboru, you'll be missing some pretty basic command line stuff if you do |
| 16:47.50 | spikeb | brb |
| 16:47.52 | stew | Inf3rn0: it would be higly recommended to use vipw to do it so that you are less likely to make a mistake |
| 16:47.58 | stew | Inf3rn0: (man vipw) |
| 16:48.08 | Noboru | spikeb, lol,i see :) |
| 16:48.10 | Inf3rn0 | I've made my own way of comparing strings with the hashes to see if the string is the same as the password, and it works, so I think I could handle it :) |
| 16:48.27 | Sebboh | Noboru: I believe that 'standard install' gives you things like less, gzip, tar, etc.. Well, you already have gzip and tar.. But, it gives you stuff that isn't in the base install, like less. |
| 16:48.27 | xoz | drwahl: borrow somebody's mac and use it as a diskdrive |
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| 16:49.09 | drwahl | xoz: that isnt an option because this mac is so old, i do not know anyone/anywhere to find another mac this old |
| 16:49.24 | Noboru | Sebboh, thanks |
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| 16:49.34 | xoz | drwahl: what about network install? |
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| 16:49.42 | Noboru | now im seeing its installing exim and stuff that i dont need hmmm |
| 16:49.47 | Sebboh | Noboru: I only installed the base system and then installed other stuff as I found that I needed it. .... Which leads me to my next question. ;) I don't have sound.. What steps should I take to get it? ..In X windows. |
| 16:49.54 | Noboru | well,next install i will try to skip this sector |
| 16:50.05 | stew | Sebboh: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 16:50.07 | cydork | Sebboh: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 16:50.12 | Noboru | so i only need to apt to get less that is all that simple :) but anyway,thanks alot |
| 16:50.14 | cydork | !win stew |
| 16:50.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:50.18 | stew | Noboru: you need an mta. if you don't want exim, which do you want? |
| 16:50.36 | Sebboh | So, these days, I want alsa, not OSS? |
| 16:50.42 | stew | Sebboh: yes |
| 16:50.44 | Sebboh | kk |
| 16:50.45 | drwahl | xoz: lol, that is what i want to do, but i can only boot off the floppy because the network card that is in there isnt recognized by the mac OS |
| 16:50.59 | stew | Noboru: if you just want local delivery, exim will be setup that way by default. or look at ssmtp or nullmailer ; but you need some MTA |
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| 16:51.18 | Noboru | stew, i haven't found a good mta for my future server yet, btw, exim is the default mta in debian ? |
| 16:51.37 | Snow | hey there, I have recently moved my website to another box, and what I get is an encoding issue, the letters are shown wrong, I tried inserting mysql.connect_charset = latin1 and utf-8 but that didn't help. |
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| 16:52.14 | xoz | drwahl: that's a lot of work to do. |
| 16:52.53 | Sebboh | Thanks you stew, cydork. |
| 16:53.11 | Sebboh | s/ks/s/ |
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| 16:53.37 | Inf3rn0 | How can I give only óne of my users write access to a specific file? |
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| 16:53.54 | stew | Noboru: yes, exim is default, exim and postfix are the most recommended |
| 16:54.25 | drwahl | xoz: ok, that is what i was wondering :) it looked like it was going to just take booting off of a couple of floppiees |
| 16:54.43 | Noboru | stew, Thanks |
| 16:54.57 | xoz | drwahl: what is the model? peforma or older? SE? |
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| 16:55.19 | wols | Inf3rn0: chmod 600 <file> |
| 16:55.28 | yang | Is there mail reader pine packed into etch? |
| 16:55.36 | Inf3rn0 | That would be for the owner, right? wols |
| 16:55.47 | stew | yang: no, its not free and therefore not included in debian |
| 16:55.56 | yang | stew: ok |
| 16:56.02 | drwahl | xoz: all i know about it is it says: PowerPC 6500/225 on the front |
| 16:56.03 | yang | stew: backports? |
| 16:56.16 | drwahl | xoz: obviously i know the HD capacity, and ram too |
| 16:56.41 | stew | yang: i doubt it. its not in non-free either, i think backports only has packages already available from debian |
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| 16:57.00 | drwahl | i guess i should ask, is 32MB of ram sufficient for a cli interface under etch/lenny? |
| 16:57.17 | Ronin | drwahl: you man noteven be able to install it with that little |
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| 16:57.19 | helo | swap? |
| 16:57.20 | xoz | drwahl: maybe similar to this install: http://www.sonic.net/~mroeder/beowoof/installingLinux.html... and there is a mailing list for users below. better go there than here. |
| 16:57.31 | helo | if you have swap, you will be fine |
| 16:57.38 | helo | probably :P |
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| 16:57.57 | yopi | does anyone know how a fix for the ACPI kernel crash? |
| 16:58.04 | drwahl | xoz: similar, but with a little less ram (32MB) |
| 16:58.06 | yopi | I just upgraded to etch and same pb |
| 16:58.10 | cydork | yang: however it is available as a source package in non-free iirc |
| 16:58.26 | yopi | seems to happen since the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:58.40 | yang | cydork: apt-cache search pine won't show any hits |
| 16:58.42 | stew | oh, maybe its in nonfree |
| 16:58.59 | cydork | yang: apt-cache showsrc pine |
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| 16:59.10 | cydork | yang: if you have deb-src entries in sources.list |
| 16:59.13 | stew | mutt sucks less |
| 16:59.20 | cydork | stew: true :) |
| 16:59.59 | yang | cydork: I get that , so what is the procedure to compile it ? I get the source first then compile? |
| 17:00.19 | cydork | yang: /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:00.26 | stew | oh are there really source pacakges with no binary package? |
| 17:00.32 | stew | yang: what is the source package name? |
| 17:00.43 | cydork | stew: should be pine |
| 17:00.44 | yang | Package: pine |
| 17:00.47 | alleyoopster | I am guessing this maybe a common problem, when doing xset dpms force standby the screen goes a yucky grey and a whiteness spreads from bottom and top. This is a laptop lcd. What can I do for this. Using nv driver btw. |
| 17:01.09 | stew | pdo shows nothing for src:pine |
| 17:01.29 | cydork | stew: http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/pine |
| 17:02.06 | yopi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63134 |
| 17:02.23 | cydork | yopi: wrong channel? |
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| 17:02.27 | yopi | If anyone experienced cronic crashes due to ACPI option |
| 17:02.35 | alleyoopster | how do I tell the driver to kill the screen completely. this happens also on lid event and powersave screen timeout |
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| 17:04.47 | yang | cydork: this "debuild -us -uc" is it apt-get debuild -us -uc pine or? |
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| 17:05.32 | cydork | yang: debuild -us -uc |
| 17:05.47 | yang | it says command not found |
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| 17:06.33 | stew | cydork: it seems to me that that is just going to create the pine virtual package and the pine-tracker package, but i dunno |
| 17:06.41 | yang | cydork: my mistake probably no devscripts installed |
| 17:06.46 | cydork | yang: hmm i think you need devscripts for debuild.. |
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| 17:07.29 | alleyoopster | erm guess its not such a common problem then |
| 17:07.32 | Inf3rn0 | How can I give one specific user (not the owner) write access to a file? |
| 17:07.39 | toki | hello, how do i change my IP via console? |
| 17:08.03 | Maulkin | toki: man interfaces |
| 17:08.03 | stew | toki: temproarily or permanantly? |
| 17:08.07 | Maulkin | toki: man ifconfig |
| 17:08.10 | Sebboh | change a static IP, or just refresh your DHCP lease? |
| 17:08.10 | toki | permanent |
| 17:08.31 | stew | toki: then the first thing Maulkin said |
| 17:08.31 | cydork | stew: i remember installing pine for my dad using that once .. |
| 17:08.37 | Sebboh | toki, is it already set up as a static ip? |
| 17:08.45 | stew | did i mention mutt sucks less? :) |
| 17:08.52 | cydork | stew: he wont even use thunderbird :) |
| 17:09.07 | toki | well currently its on lan dhcp and im going to move it to a rack soon ;/ |
| 17:09.22 | alleyoopster | OK is there an xorg channel? |
| 17:09.39 | yang | alleyoopster: #xorg or ##xorg |
| 17:09.39 | stew | toki: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 17:09.45 | alleyoopster | thanks |
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| 17:10.10 | Sebboh | toki, yeah, man interfaces shows exactly what you need. It tells you how to modify the /etc/network/interfaces file to setup DHCP on that interface. |
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| 17:10.48 | amortvigil | Hey everytime i install a lamp i get phtml instead of php what is this strange thing? |
| 17:10.56 | toki | ok then |
| 17:10.57 | toki | thanks |
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| 17:11.27 | amortvigil | !phtml |
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| 17:11.47 | xand | amortvigil: what do you mean by "install a lamp"? |
| 17:11.57 | dmilith | ;D |
| 17:12.05 | stew | amortvigil: using apache or apache2? |
| 17:12.16 | DukeDrake | what's the magic number for ext2? 83? |
| 17:12.16 | amortvigil | xand : linux apache2 mysql5 php5 |
| 17:12.28 | xand | amortvigil: where do you "get phtml"? |
| 17:12.31 | stew | amortvigil: have you run a2enmod php5 ? |
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| 17:12.59 | stew | xand: his browser wants to download the php source with content type text/phtml instead of the server rendering it to html |
| 17:13.07 | xand | I see |
| 17:13.21 | amortvigil | xand i get phtml files on every file with php exstention an stew i didnt run a2emod php5. whats it? |
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| 17:13.42 | xand | beware if you're using Firefox/Iceweasel... when you fix it, it'll cache the broken response so you need to try a different file |
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| 17:14.16 | stew | amortvigil: the thing that ENables the php5 MODule in Apache2 |
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| 17:14.41 | rambo3 | nmod |
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| 17:15.14 | amortvigil | stew do i need to apt-get it? or just put this in a terminal or change apache2.conf or somethign like it? |
| 17:15.23 | stew | amortvigil: just run that command |
| 17:15.25 | rambo3 | a2enmod |
| 17:15.31 | stew | amortvigil: and /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 17:15.39 | coldsteal | how do i search mor packages with apt-get i know on aptitude its search pkg |
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| 17:15.52 | amortvigil | stew : the response is : a2enmod php5 |
| 17:15.53 | amortvigil | oeps |
| 17:15.58 | coldsteal | *for |
| 17:15.59 | cydork | coldsteal: man apt-cache |
| 17:16.06 | coldsteal | ok |
| 17:16.08 | amortvigil | stew : the response is: This module does not exist! |
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| 17:16.17 | stew | amortvigil: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 17:16.23 | stew | amortvigil: then run it again |
| 17:16.26 | rambo3 | amortvigil, do you have php5.1 ? |
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| 17:17.45 | xand | yes... |
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| 17:19.33 | amortvigil | thanx stew! |
| 17:19.43 | stew | youx welcomx |
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| 17:22.30 | amortvigil | does somebody now what the symlink command was again i want to symklink 2 directories |
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| 17:22.58 | zinx | amortvigil: maybe you should use your file manager to make the symlink |
| 17:23.19 | amortvigil | zinx : uhhh? |
| 17:23.40 | toki | ln |
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| 17:25.23 | zinx | amortvigil: if you don't know the command, and aren't able to look it up.. it seems the file manager would be easier than coming on IRC to ask how to do it |
| 17:26.42 | amortvigil | i dont know how to do it by file manager |
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| 17:28.12 | chops | amortvigil: ln -s |
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| 17:31.00 | nikoo | I am just trying to sneakily spam http://freelance-job.blogspot.com/ here :))) its my blog chech it out , pls ;) |
| 17:31.00 | amortvigil | chops : how can you undo a symlink? |
| 17:31.13 | chops | amortvigil: Just rm the symlink |
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| 17:31.25 | amortvigil | chops thanx |
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| 17:32.05 | Ronin | no need to spam nikoo |
| 17:32.30 | nikoo | ok :) |
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| 17:32.54 | cydork | !slap nikoo |
| 17:33.28 | rahul | !penixstrike nikoo |
| 17:33.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nikoo to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:33.38 | rahul | now isn't that more impressive? |
| 17:33.38 | amortvigil | does anybody know how to user the program ipcheck form dyndns? |
| 17:34.46 | Ronin | cant make up your mind x_link ? :) |
| 17:34.49 | Throat | more excessive, you mean |
| 17:35.04 | Ronin | Throat: nothing succeeds like excess |
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| 17:39.53 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 17:40.39 | mynullvoid | hi abrotman |
| 17:40.39 | mynullvoid | seen jm_ |
| 17:40.39 | abrotman | hi |
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| 17:40.39 | abrotman | !seen jm_ |
| 17:40.39 | dpkg | jm_ <flier@mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 8m 14s ago, saying: 'antares: ok so it's not a case of missing driver, maybe it's dead or something's wrong with jumpers/cabling'. |
| 17:40.39 | xand | !seen blondie |
| 17:40.40 | dpkg | blondie <n=xand@p15114592.pureserver.info> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 55d 20h 2m 40s ago, saying: 'JoshJ: there is no non-us anymore'. |
| 17:40.44 | xand | !seen ferret |
| 17:40.44 | dpkg | ferret is currently on #debian, last said: '\amethyst: Didn't know about that. Nice.'. |
| 17:41.06 | mynullvoid | how are you abrotman |
| 17:41.11 | abrotman | fine |
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| 17:41.40 | xand | I'm bored |
| 17:41.55 | Ronin | xand: likewise |
| 17:41.57 | nazgjunk | hey, i' m trying to run the netinstall without writing it to a CD first - already managed to dump the iso contents on a separate partition, but does anyone know what grub lines i need/which files i should get grub to boot? |
| 17:42.12 | Ronin | so bored im considering taking down teh network here to liven it up and give me something to do :) |
| 17:42.20 | mynullvoid | !seen peterS |
| 17:42.20 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 5h 38m 16s, last said: 'obsethryl: note if you're going to use tor: some channels ban all anonymous tor users automatically, because tor makes it so easy to evade targetted bans. so that's a tradeoff you have to decide whether to make'. |
| 17:42.32 | kspath | Ronin: xand: learn perl or ruby or C or other |
| 17:42.55 | mynullvoid | abrotman: do you have any IM? |
| 17:43.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:43.06 | xand | I know enough perl for now, ruby sucks, and C is scary |
| 17:43.07 | abrotman | mynullvoid: msg the bot |
| 17:43.26 | cydork | eeww ruby!! |
| 17:43.29 | mynullvoid | abrotman: it's ok |
| 17:43.30 | kspath | xand: learn C |
| 17:43.35 | xand | why does !seen give more information for some people than others? |
| 17:43.35 | VImtermute | python!!!!!!! |
| 17:43.37 | VImtermute | :> |
| 17:43.47 | nazgjunk | thing is i can't write CDs at all, so an install directly from the harddisk would be pretty neat |
| 17:43.54 | nazgjunk | but i have no idea which file i should get grub to boot |
| 17:43.55 | xand | I'd like to learn (more than the little I know) C, but I'm lazy |
| 17:44.13 | nazgjunk | presumably something in /isolinux |
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| 17:44.15 | VImtermute | xand, python python python python python |
| 17:44.18 | kspath | xand: bored and lazy, could those be related? |
| 17:44.19 | VImtermute | mushroom mushrooom |
| 17:44.20 | xand | VImtermute: no thanks |
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| 17:44.25 | xand | kspath: maybe |
| 17:44.25 | RichiH | is there a way to force module-assistant to have its build process ignore licence errors? |
| 17:44.39 | VImtermute | xand, too bad :) |
| 17:44.46 | RichiH | the current nvidia stuff seems to be so broken that you can not install them without doing this. |
| 17:45.19 | yopi | xand , real bad for you yeah |
| 17:45.28 | xand | what is? |
| 17:46.00 | yopi | it's simply the easiest yet most powerfull scripting language I came across |
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| 17:48.00 | xand | yopi: I don't like the syntax ;) |
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| 17:52.50 | jelly-home | which kernel flavor to use on a Athlon 64 X2 etc? -k8? |
| 17:53.09 | jelly-home | (when running i386 arch) |
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| 17:53.21 | xand | there isn't -k8, is there |
| 17:53.29 | xand | so it'll have to be k7, jelly-home |
| 17:53.47 | jelly-home | hmm, there really isn't. I could have sworn I've seen it :-) |
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| 17:54.06 | xingu | jelly-home: in x86_64-land only |
| 17:54.48 | xand | IIRC there used to be |
| 17:54.48 | xand | hm |
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| 17:54.49 | denken | amd64 distro has no k8 specific kernel any more |
| 17:54.49 | obsethryl | ok now the fun begins |
| 17:54.49 | denken | you just run linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 17:54.49 | obsethryl | installing debian contemporanously on all 5 boxes here |
| 17:54.51 | obsethryl | :P |
| 17:54.56 | jelly-home | denken: I'm using arch i386 |
| 17:55.01 | xingu | that's the word for the day ticked off eh? |
| 17:55.16 | yopi | so no one having kernel panic on ACPI interuption here? |
| 17:55.27 | denken | jelly-home: ah, one sec then. this is etch/i386? |
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| 17:55.34 | xingu | yopi: usually mean - update your bios (for newer acpi code) |
| 17:55.47 | jelly-home | denken: aye, but I even have unstable sources |
| 17:55.59 | yopi | xingu : noob question but how do you upgrade a bios? |
| 17:56.04 | jelly-home | well, there's linux-image-2.6.20-1-amd64 |
| 17:56.25 | xingu | yopi: get the bios upgrade from your system or motherboard vendor and follow the instructions. |
| 17:56.32 | denken | jelly-home: you dont want a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit userland |
| 17:56.35 | xingu | yopi: ... follow them exactly, don't get creative. |
| 17:56.39 | denken | unless youve got lots of free time on your hands :P |
| 17:56.52 | jelly-home | denken: why? sparc seems to do well with that setup |
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| 17:57.25 | vlad92 | hi all !; i have a problem; i`ve just installed debian etch ind i can`t install flash player; i`ve tried using apt and manual, but is isn`t working; can someone help me ? |
| 17:57.40 | denken | jelly-home: suit yourself :) if your running etch i386 on an Athlon X2 chip, i'd install linux-image-2.6-k7-smp |
| 17:57.43 | denken | ymmv |
| 17:57.45 | jelly-home | I guess building 3rd party modules would have to be considered crosscompiling and stuff like m-a would break |
| 17:57.52 | denken | exactly |
| 17:58.16 | xingu | jelly-home: ... and, the kernel reports an x86_64 arch to userland. |
| 17:58.37 | denken | personally, i'd install etch amd64 and be done with it |
| 17:58.42 | xingu | jelly-home: which can confuse the living crap out of various autobreak style scripts. |
| 17:58.52 | denken | only problems ive seen doing that is precompiled software set up for 32 bit systems |
| 17:58.58 | denken | cant find libraries, etc. |
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| 17:59.07 | denken | other than that, works great on all my servers and desktops |
| 17:59.10 | CartoonCat | breadstick |
| 17:59.11 | xingu | amd64+i386 chroot |
| 17:59.12 | CartoonCat | erm |
| 17:59.25 | xingu | and join the queue forming right behind me for multiarch ;) |
| 17:59.46 | denken | xingu: :) |
| 18:00.24 | CartoonCat | okies, Ive flumoxed my kde login somehow. When i try I get a "can not write to $HOME dir (/home/breadstick) |
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| 18:00.49 | CartoonCat | but...the user has to have write access (and the event that led to this was install the oss module) |
| 18:01.07 | amortvigil | !dns |
| 18:01.35 | jelly-home | xingu: stupid userspace. |
| 18:02.06 | xingu | jelly-home: blame utsname(2)->machine |
| 18:02.42 | jelly-home | xingu: meh, a simple wrapper library works around that :-) |
| 18:02.42 | xingu | jelly-home: or more correctly, things that have conditional compile-time logic switching on it |
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| 18:04.48 | jvm_ | hi. i upgraded to xorg 7.2, but it broke my xinerama configuration. is there some tutorial how to use xinerama with xorg 7.2? |
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| 18:05.36 | BUMBACL0T | how come this channel is +l ? |
| 18:05.37 | Clement_Guislain | hello everyone! |
| 18:05.40 | jelly-home | I've copied a working installation from a k7 machine to a new k8 machine. However, 2.6.8-4-k7 from etch/sid doesn't get my ethernet or my dvd drive. I hope USB will work to copy 2.6.20 over there, or else I have to open the machine again |
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| 18:06.07 | Bombo | hi, i got a problem to compile a module on debian/etch with a self compiled header package (kernel 2.6.20) please take a look at the errormessage: http://pastebin.ca/450226 |
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| 18:06.37 | zinx | jelly-home: missing SATA drivers possibly and nvidia ethernet drivers? |
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| 18:06.48 | zinx | jelly-home: you may need to update it to 2.6.18 or so.. |
| 18:06.52 | Shadur | BUMBACL0T: It's an effective countermeasure against floodbots. |
| 18:07.45 | jelly-home | zinx: nope, 2.6.18 not good enough |
| 18:07.56 | zinx | jelly-home: "not good enough"? |
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| 18:08.18 | jelly-home | zinx: the situation described _is_ with 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:08.30 | Clement_Guislain | I just downloaded ubuntu desktop i386 7.04 ISO and burnt it, I want to try and use it as a liveCD, but I have a acer aspire 3020, and I heard about a bug on the ATI X-series mobility GPUs (I have X700 mobility), and it is not working at all (blank screen, PC idle). Can anyone help me, or give me a good link? cheers |
| 18:08.31 | zinx | jelly-home: oh, i thought it was with 2.6.8-4-k7, appologies |
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| 18:08.48 | Tallu | Clement_Guislain: #ubuntu |
| 18:08.48 | jelly-home | zinx: typo, sorry |
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| 18:09.27 | stoned | hola |
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| 18:11.10 | xingu | Bombo: config.h has gone the way of the dodo; try autoconf.h if that's what you really mean. |
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| 18:11.22 | rahul | stoned: :D |
| 18:11.29 | abrotman | stoned: is your ubuntu box doing better? :) |
| 18:11.36 | stoned | heh |
| 18:11.46 | stoned | I got the free ubuntu cd in mail when in was in okc |
| 18:12.03 | stoned | I tried it, and then decided either it was crap, or that i dont' like it |
| 18:12.06 | stoned | i can't decide which |
| 18:12.07 | abrotman | i just saw all the pastes this morning on the pastesite |
| 18:12.09 | stoned | more the former I think |
| 18:12.11 | rahul | how did I get so wasted last night? |
| 18:12.14 | xingu | jelly-home: what sort of dvd drive is it? that's a pretty fundamental issue... |
| 18:12.26 | rahul | I think my peeps made me strong drinks |
| 18:12.29 | stoned | what pastes? |
| 18:12.43 | gpm | hi all, i'm trying to build a cpan module with dh-make-perl, but it says it can't find XML/Parser.pm in @INC, but @INC includes a directory that *does* have XML/Parser.pm (i just installed libxml-parser-perl)...can anyone offer guidance? |
| 18:12.47 | jelly-home | xingu: it's a sata connected dvd burner of some sort |
| 18:12.48 | xingu | rahul: pixies replaced your crop with super-strength ganja |
| 18:12.53 | stoned | hey rahul I have to go to work early tomorrow, but when I get done you want me to come over? we could get drunk! |
| 18:13.03 | abrotman | stoned: from paste.debian.net |
| 18:13.05 | stoned | happy 4/20 btw |
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| 18:13.47 | jelly-home | xingu: it's a kernel problem, there's a patch for the issue on lkml, dated around 2007-03-27 |
| 18:13.52 | RichiH | narf |
| 18:14.02 | stoned | i think I idented. rahul msg |
| 18:14.10 | xingu | jelly-home: *nod* |
| 18:14.16 | RichiH | nvidia_drv.o is there |
| 18:14.58 | xingu | jelly-home: the k8/athlon x2 is likely to have one of the cute new new new chipsets too, like mcp51n or whatever |
| 18:15.30 | xingu | jelly-home: possible/ probable that'll give you a kicking on the way through too |
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| 18:15.55 | jelly-home | xingu: ATI Technologies SB600 |
| 18:16.23 | jelly-home | xingu: I just have to get that patch over to the machine and build a kernel |
| 18:16.59 | xingu | jelly-home: may 2006... nice and new and buggy. :) |
| 18:17.09 | jelly-home | xingu: evil enough to warrant a workaround for a stupid chipset bug in kernel |
| 18:17.13 | xingu | never mind, it'll all be fixed in the next version |
| 18:17.13 | denken | yay! bugs! |
| 18:17.24 | xingu | that's what TAC always say |
| 18:17.26 | xingu | and they're never wrong |
| 18:17.40 | jelly-home | it'll all end in tears... |
| 18:17.49 | xingu | beers? |
| 18:17.58 | xingu | cheers! |
| 18:18.00 | jelly-home | what you said |
| 18:18.02 | RichiH | tarzeau: which of your m-a built packages includes nvidia_drv.so? |
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| 18:18.49 | xingu | jelly-home: I'll warn you that goodly chunks of the lkml athlon petrolheads appear to use x86_64 |
| 18:19.32 | xingu | holy acpi routing early init fixes batman |
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| 18:20.31 | jelly-home | acpi is a great idea |
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| 18:20.56 | DavidProck1981 | aaaahhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 18:21.00 | xingu | jelly-home: fyi: http://lwn.net/Articles/222085/ |
| 18:21.02 | RichiH | what is the difference between .o and .so and can i generate a .so from a .o? |
| 18:21.13 | DavidProck1981 | aaany one remember my problem? |
| 18:21.18 | xingu | you can't; object verses shared object |
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| 18:21.53 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 18:22.08 | jelly-home | RichiH: only if the .o was compiled with appropriate options |
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| 18:22.35 | RichiH | jelly-home: i created it with module-assistant |
| 18:22.40 | xingu | RichiH: .so is linker output; .o is compiler output |
| 18:22.44 | RichiH | jelly-home: what would be the command to try? |
| 18:23.08 | jelly-home | RichiH: m-a creates kernel modules. Those don't get to become .so ;-) |
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| 18:23.17 | jelly-home | !wayttd RichiH |
| 18:23.17 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, RichiH? |
| 18:23.34 | xingu | a better dichotomy would be .a verses .so |
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| 18:24.02 | midgetnat | hello people :) |
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| 18:24.28 | xingu | people? where? |
| 18:24.31 | xingu | eeeek |
| 18:24.34 | midgetnat | hey I'm having some issues.. I followed every step on the manuals in order to configure several websites with apache2 using virtual hosts |
| 18:24.34 | RichiH | i have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia.o, i also need the corresponding /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia.so |
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| 18:24.40 | RichiH | m-a seems to crap itself |
| 18:24.41 | stew | RichiH: why don't you go to a channel that supports that closed source shit? :P |
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| 18:24.55 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 18:24.59 | ^Timo^ | how are ya guys |
| 18:25.00 | midgetnat | I registered them using no-ip.org |
| 18:25.01 | ^Timo^ | i need help |
| 18:25.03 | RichiH | stew: non-free is officially in debian :) |
| 18:25.04 | BACbKA | I have debian 2.6.18-4-686 kernel installed, with alsa-base 1.0.13-5, a mostly etch system with some testing packages pulled in as well. I have artsd disabled in my account. I have the kmixctrl applet on the kde taskbar (kde-3.5.5). When I change mixer settings there, everything is preserved across logout/login (even no reboot in between), except for the Capture volume. Things like Master, Master Mono, Headphones, PCM, Mic recordin |
| 18:25.04 | xingu | !tell RichiH about nvidia one-liner |
| 18:25.12 | RichiH | xingu: been there, done that |
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| 18:25.17 | stew | RichiH: OMGLOLZ it INS"T |
| 18:25.17 | DavidProck1981 | RichiH WE NEED TO TALK |
| 18:25.21 | midgetnat | now, when I type for example site1.no-ip.org it takes me to the proper site... but if i type site2.no-ip.org it takes me to site1 |
| 18:25.28 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:25.29 | ^Timo^ | can someone tell me how to set files in some dir unhidden |
| 18:25.31 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 18:25.33 | stoned | only hear chics say that usually |
| 18:25.37 | stoned | honey, we need to talk |
| 18:25.39 | xingu | RichiH: there's more mileage to be made in debugging the m-a fault. |
| 18:25.43 | stoned | and you're like, awe shit |
| 18:25.45 | stoned | :) |
| 18:25.45 | ^Timo^ | they are hidden says my windows :x |
| 18:25.49 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows ? |
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| 18:26.10 | jelly-home | RichiH: the fact is xorg's .o are not really .o, have you tried renaming or linking it? :-) |
| 18:26.18 | DavidProck1981 | RichiH r u tring to install a nvidia card |
| 18:26.33 | stoned | ^Timo^ you hide files by putting a . in front of it. like .filename |
| 18:26.35 | xingu | !r |
| 18:26.36 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 18:26.37 | Bombo | xingu: i dont know, i just try to compile the thing i didnt write it, so i dont know what the source needs |
| 18:26.38 | xingu | !u |
| 18:26.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:27.01 | stew | which was less annoying |
| 18:27.05 | xand | xingyou |
| 18:27.07 | RichiH | jelly-home: not yet |
| 18:27.16 | stoned | xingu u shud stop 2 b anoyin |
| 18:27.17 | xingu | Bombo: I do know, config.h has gone the way of the dodo, you probably need autoconf.h |
| 18:27.23 | ^Timo^ | ok |
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| 18:27.52 | stoned | ^Timo^ mv from .file to file |
| 18:27.52 | midgetnat | hello? how can i do to make it work? |
| 18:27.55 | stoned | it should unhide |
| 18:27.57 | ma3x | could anyone help me to apply a patch? |
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| 18:28.17 | jelly-home | How do I get rid of udev's persistent-net stuff? |
| 18:28.21 | stoned | ma3x whats up |
| 18:28.31 | ma3x | hi stoned do you know how to apply patches? |
| 18:28.36 | stoned | !patch |
| 18:28.36 | dpkg | i guess patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 18:28.45 | stoned | do I? |
| 18:28.52 | BACbKA | Both kmixctrl applet and the alsamixer commandline correctly manipulate the capture volume control, only its persistence is broken. Is it a KDE thing? or should I look elsewhere? |
| 18:28.52 | stoned | oh boy do I?! of course |
| 18:28.53 | ma3x | stoned, it's not the simple, I need to know exactly what to do step by step |
| 18:28.59 | stoned | what are you trying to do |
| 18:29.00 | ma3x | I'm afraid dpkg's instructions won't do it |
| 18:29.03 | stoned | patch what? |
| 18:29.04 | ma3x | see http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/linuxppc/patch?id=10112 |
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| 18:29.18 | ma3x | I'm trying to apply that patch |
| 18:29.20 | xingu | RichiH: nvidia one-liner is a faq because it's simple and it works every time; if it's not working for you, there's a reason why, and fiddling about with object files isn't going to fix it - and is also unlikely to produce a working xorg display server. |
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| 18:29.37 | DavidProck1981 | works every time NO IT DONT |
| 18:29.41 | stoned | im not in the mood to read man |
| 18:29.45 | stoned | woke up not too long ago |
| 18:29.47 | xingu | RichiH: perhaps we could reset this conversation back to "when I do this part of nvidia one-liner I get this (surprising) result <link>" |
| 18:29.52 | sepski | are there a web url, where you can get access to the contents of /usr/share/doc of all debian packages. |
| 18:30.11 | maddash | good god - the blind are leading the blind in #ubuntu |
| 18:30.11 | ma3x | who could help me then? |
| 18:30.34 | Bombo | xingu: so i should change '#include <linux/config.h>' to '#include <autoconf.h>' in the source? |
| 18:30.35 | xingu | sepski: if you uncomment the relevant section in your apache config, http://localhost/doc |
| 18:30.37 | RichiH | xingu: i get no error at all, the resulting package does not hold any xorg drivers, though |
| 18:30.43 | xingu | Bombo: that'd be a good idea |
| 18:30.53 | RichiH | is there a way to make clean? |
| 18:30.57 | RichiH | within m-a |
| 18:31.08 | sepski | xingu, that would not allow me to browse the /usr/share/doc of all deb packages in debian |
| 18:31.13 | xingu | RichiH: the xorg components are the nvidia-glx bits. |
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| 18:31.28 | xingu | sepski: fair comment; it would if you installed them ;) |
| 18:31.40 | maddash | ma3x: have you downloaded the patch file? |
| 18:31.52 | RichiH | xingu: those are installed as well |
| 18:31.52 | sepski | RichiH, how about m-a clean ? |
| 18:31.52 | xingu | sepski: I doubt such a thing exists though fwiw |
| 18:31.58 | ma3x | maddash, there is no download link. do you suggest that I copy/paste it into a file? |
| 18:32.28 | xingu | RichiH: dpkg -L nvidia-glx for me has: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
| 18:32.31 | RichiH | sepski: ah, duh, thaks :) |
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| 18:32.57 | maddash | ma3x: copy and paste the stuff inside the box labeled "Patch" to a file |
| 18:33.14 | ma3x | maddash, ok... what next? |
| 18:33.24 | maddash | ma3x: then save the file to the directory of the source code you want to patch |
| 18:33.34 | xingu | RichiH: the nvidia-kernel-source packages do not install into that tree (they are essentially only the gpu's blob and a linux kernel api wrapper to access it) |
| 18:34.02 | maddash | ma3x: and run `patch --dry-run < [patchfile]` |
| 18:34.04 | stoned | well it depends |
| 18:34.04 | Bombo | xingu: hmmm well the missing config.hmessage is gone, but the other compile-error is still there |
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| 18:34.20 | ma3x | maddash, what is the source code that I want to patch? |
| 18:34.21 | stoned | this is the path here linux-2.6.orig/drivers/char/agp/ |
| 18:34.36 | stoned | either mod it or copy it in appropriate parent dir |
| 18:34.44 | Bombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.55 | stoned | look at the patch source dude |
| 18:35.15 | stoned | at the top it says what is being patched |
| 18:35.15 | maddash | ma3x: do you have the source code? heck, do you even know what you want to patch? |
| 18:35.18 | Bombo | and this include/linux/device.h:436: error: previous declaration of 'driver_init' was here |
| 18:35.27 | xingu | Bombo: sounds like the source is busted for 2.6.20; send a bug report to its owner. |
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| 18:36.00 | ma3x | maddash, I don't know what I want to patch - I only know that I have the same problem like that guy described (the error diag. from the ppracer app) |
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| 18:36.46 | Bombo | xingu: it worked with 2.6.17 did they change that much in 2.6.20 ? |
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| 18:37.30 | DavidProck1981 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:37.31 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. If you're using sarge, ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. If you've built your own kernel: <nvidia_homegrown>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental>) |
| 18:37.31 | maddash | ma3x: then you're better off emailing "that guy" |
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| 18:37.50 | xingu | Bombo: yes. |
| 18:37.52 | ma3x | maddash, what should I tell him? |
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| 18:43.34 | NelsonFx | hi everyone |
| 18:44.22 | lexoplex | 'man -k' looks broken, e.g. 'man -k alsa' gives nothing here, while 'man alsamixer' works... That isn't expected behaviour, is it? |
| 18:44.38 | rahul | yes |
| 18:44.44 | xingu | lexoplex: catman -w |
| 18:44.44 | rahul | the database is rebuilt nightly |
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| 18:45.02 | DavidProck1981 | hay when i do the nvidia one-liner when it comes to Configuring xserver-xorg i get this,,, No X server known for your video hardware |
| 18:45.04 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.05 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.05 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.14 | maxamillion | :) |
| 18:45.32 | maxamillion | pastebin > DavidProck |
| 18:45.32 | xingu | oops, showing my age, no more catman -w |
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| 18:45.56 | BACbKA | lexoplex: it's rebuilt nightly - see /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
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| 18:48.58 | roger21 | hello |
| 18:49.58 | roger21 | does someone sucessefully performed an update of sid without breacking everything recently ? |
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| 18:50.16 | xingu | BACbKA: alsa mixer persistence is mostly provided at shutdown via etc/init.d/alsa-utils:stop->store_levels() |
| 18:50.36 | xingu | BACbKA: which uses alsactl store ... -> /var/lib/alsa/asound.state |
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| 18:51.02 | xingu | BACbKA: so possibly, take a peek in the last file and see if it's changing in line with the input control settings |
| 18:51.24 | xingu | BACbKA: if not, it's probably a bug/ misfeature in alsactl; chase it via bts with the alsa-utils package maint I guess. |
| 18:52.17 | lexoplex | rahul: How can I force a rebuild of the database? I just tried 'mandb -c', which didn't seem to work. |
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| 18:52.40 | xingu | lexoplex: just run the script |
| 18:52.43 | rahul | hrm |
| 18:52.45 | rahul | makewhatis? |
| 18:52.46 | xingu | lexoplex: won't kill you, promise ;) |
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| 18:52.57 | DavidProck1981 | did that paste go through, i thought is would be all one line |
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| 18:53.48 | BACbKA | xingu: thanks |
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| 18:53.58 | DavidProck1981 | hay when i do the nvidia one-liner when it comes to Configuring xserver-xorg i get this,,, No X server known for your video hardware |
| 18:54.04 | DavidProck1981 | what does that mean? |
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| 18:55.51 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: it means the 'discover' program couldn't detect your hardware |
| 18:56.08 | DavidProck1981 | hot can i go about fixing that |
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| 18:57.13 | Nemoder | I'm not sure, what hardware do you have? |
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| 18:57.14 | freetos | it says the user executing VirtualBox needs read and write permission to the USB file system, how can i do this in debian? there is no usbuser group i can add myself too |
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| 18:57.50 | BACbKA | xingu: OK, saving through alsactl store before and after raising the capture volume from min to max and comparing the two asound.state files shows no difference (I verified they did get touched by store) |
| 18:57.53 | DavidProck1981 | sorry i had to step away...... |
| 18:57.59 | Nemoder | freetos: add the user to the plugdev group |
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| 18:58.12 | Nemoder | freetos: and make sure to log out and back in |
| 18:58.17 | DavidProck1981 | nvidia GeForce 7600 GS |
| 18:58.19 | freetos | thanx |
| 18:58.34 | freetos | log back into my guest os>? |
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| 18:58.44 | DavidProck1981 | it uses an AGP port |
| 18:59.13 | Nemoder | freetos: changing groups doesn't take affect on logged in users, only when they log out and back in |
| 18:59.18 | BACbKA | xingu: I'm now going the reportbug alsactl route, and reading the long story in the existing alsa-utils bug list... thanks for directing |
| 18:59.28 | DavidProck1981 | Nemoder u get what i was saying |
| 18:59.32 | freetos | there is no plugdev group |
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| 19:00.05 | freetos | Nemoder, there is no plugdev group |
| 19:00.08 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: yeah, that card should work.. not sure why it isn't detected |
| 19:00.15 | Nemoder | freetos: what version of debian? |
| 19:00.21 | freetos | 4.0 |
| 19:00.36 | DavidProck1981 | Nemoder could it have any thing to do what AGP |
| 19:00.55 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: I don't think so I have an agp nvidia card |
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| 19:01.37 | Nemoder | freetos: hmm do you have usbutils installed? |
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| 19:02.48 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: maybe worth trying the driver from nvidia site |
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| 19:03.50 | Rockj | Hum, anyone here worked with migrating a large mysql-envoirement from debian sarge to debian etch (mysql 4.1 to mysql 5) ? mysql_upgrade is supposed to run for quite some time or? |
| 19:04.11 | stew | Rockj: not that long. what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 19:04.58 | n3kl | Hi. Anyone have any Debian Book recomendations? |
| 19:05.03 | DavidProck1981 | Nemoder, alleyoopster, well chech this, if i use the driver from the sightonce it installs if i run GDM """Just after installing before i do a restart""" it will load and it works perfictly on my games, shaders and every thing, but when i restart the xserver will NOT load ??? |
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| 19:05.38 | Rockj | stew: 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:05.48 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: any errors in logs, try disabling modules in xorg.conf |
| 19:05.55 | Rockj | stew: I've compiled a new kernel from our old config but havent rebooted into it yet. |
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| 19:06.16 | stew | Rockj: thats' fine. some people have had trouble with mysql 5 and 2.4 kenrels |
| 19:06.45 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: ya make sure you don't have GLcore or dri enabled in the xorg.conf |
| 19:06.46 | DavidProck1981 | alleyoopster, i know what modules to unload in xorg.conf |
| 19:06.46 | Rockj | stew: but its still running , mysql gives load with 2.5 approxly |
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| 19:06.57 | DavidProck1981 | Nemoder i know that |
| 19:07.20 | Rockj | stew: I runned mysql_upgrade | less and all the databases/tables are OK but its still running in background doing something |
| 19:07.24 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: look all through the log first and see what that tells you, it is usually quite good |
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| 19:07.50 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: that's pretty weird that it would fail on restart, are you sure you didn't run a system update between then? |
| 19:07.55 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: if it stops somewhere say on glx, then try disabling GLX module for example |
| 19:07.57 | freetos | Nemoder, dpkg -i usbutils? |
| 19:08.05 | DavidProck1981 | ok i took several logs of when it was working and when it was not |
| 19:08.06 | Nemoder | freetos: apt-get install usbutils |
| 19:08.21 | DavidProck1981 | i did not do a system update |
| 19:08.30 | freetos | can't you use dpkg to see is something is allready installed? |
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| 19:08.47 | Nemoder | freetos: dpkg -l usbitils |
| 19:08.54 | Nemoder | utils* |
| 19:09.01 | DavidProck1981 | im thinking it has something to do with the way it links the files |
| 19:09.15 | malheur | hi all :) |
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| 19:10.08 | freetos | Nemoder, it's installed |
| 19:10.18 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: how do you mean ? |
| 19:10.20 | wolferine | anyone good with proftpd, I am not able to view my nfs shares, but I can see my smb shares |
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| 19:10.27 | wolferine | its not my permsissions |
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| 19:10.33 | wolferine | permissions* |
| 19:10.36 | Nemoder | freetos: hm, I'm not sure why that group doesn't exist then.. does your device show up in lsusb? |
| 19:10.54 | malheur | anyone here using scponly 4.6-1 with etch? |
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| 19:11.13 | freetos | my usb devices work just fine, except in my virtual machine xp |
| 19:11.28 | wolferine | xp, issues, never |
| 19:11.29 | wolferine | :) |
| 19:11.30 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: did you make sure to uninstall debian's nvidia package before running the nvidia.com installer? |
| 19:11.47 | DavidProck1981 | i was reading something , cant find it now thow, but it was talking about where certin files should be , like .o and such was not there |
| 19:12.10 | DavidProck1981 | Nemoder HOW DO I uninstall debian's nvidia package |
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| 19:12.31 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: there is an uninstall option |
| 19:12.48 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: nvidia-installer --uninstall |
| 19:12.51 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: apt-get remove nvidia-glx |
| 19:12.52 | Throat | what's that with nvidia? |
| 19:12.58 | NelsonFx | <DavidProck1981> hay when i do the nvidia one-liner when it comes to Configuring xserver-xorg i get this,,, No X server known for your video hardware <= do you install the nvidia-glx package ? |
| 19:12.59 | DavidProck1981 | how do i uninstall what debian put |
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| 19:13.15 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, or you install from the nvidia isntaller |
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| 19:13.22 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx yes |
| 19:13.30 | alleyoopster | DavidProck1981: yes with nvidia, debian see nemoder |
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| 19:14.04 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: also I think apt-get remove nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 19:14.10 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, there is a init script nvidia-glx |
| 19:14.28 | Throat | you do have an nvidia card, right? |
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| 19:14.35 | DavidProck1981 | sorry had to stpe away, kids |
| 19:14.49 | DavidProck1981 | ok listen.... |
| 19:14.58 | DavidProck1981 | err phone call |
| 19:15.03 | Throat | hehe |
| 19:15.05 | Throat | busy guy |
| 19:15.33 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, ls /etc/init.d/nvidia* |
| 19:16.51 | freetos | is there a service i should restart after editing /etc/fstab i added usbfs support to it |
| 19:17.13 | Throat | just do the mount |
| 19:18.28 | NelsonFx | freetos, did you load the module ? |
| 19:18.45 | NelsonFx | Throat, yep |
| 19:19.44 | Throat | should be fine after next reboot without manual interaction - well as NelsonFx said - if the needed modules are automatically loaded |
| 19:19.57 | freetos | NelsonFx, shouldn't it load automatically? |
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| 19:20.09 | Throat | it *should* |
| 19:20.14 | Throat | (sais it all) |
| 19:20.26 | freetos | how can i check to see if the module is loaded? |
| 19:20.41 | Throat | lsmod | grep this_module |
| 19:20.43 | abrotman | lsmod |
| 19:20.57 | NelsonFx | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 19:21.35 | wolferine | anyone good with proftpd, I am not able to view my nfs shares, but I can see my smb shares (not the permissions) |
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| 19:23.01 | freetos | when i do lsmod |grep usbfs nothing comes up and when i do cat /proc/filesystems is says "nodev usbfs" |
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| 19:23.16 | sivik | i know there is a way to tell what version of a program installed from CLI but i can't remember how to do it |
| 19:23.25 | Thms | can I install debian on a non-bootable partition and which is not a primary partition ? |
| 19:23.38 | sivik | Thms: why would you want to to dthat? |
| 19:23.41 | sivik | do* |
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| 19:24.02 | Thms | sivik: because I have a little space on my hdd |
| 19:24.06 | Thms | is it possible or not ? |
| 19:24.18 | NelsonFx | Thms, you mean in a 2gb bound > partition ? |
| 19:24.34 | Thms | 3gb |
| 19:24.42 | Thms | a minimal install |
| 19:24.46 | Thms | can I or not ? |
| 19:24.48 | rambo3 | :P there are alot of ways . dpkg -l , aptitude show |
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| 19:25.33 | NelsonFx | Thms, lilo and grub can boot from any 2gb> partition, even if the partition it's not market as bootable |
| 19:25.43 | Nemoder | debian doesn't need to be in the primary partition but you do need grub/lilo on the correct MBR |
| 19:25.58 | Thms | okay |
| 19:26.51 | NelsonFx | Thms, verify if you can write to the mbr, some motherboards have antivirus protections that deny write to the mbr |
| 19:26.58 | Throat | ls /proc/bus/usb/ ? |
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| 19:27.06 | Thms | NelsonFx: how can I check this ? |
| 19:27.37 | Throat | for me, /proc/bus/usb/ was just there - didnt have to do anything |
| 19:28.02 | Throat | and there is no module usbfs or similar loaded |
| 19:28.19 | Thms | I can ls /proc/bus/usb |
| 19:28.31 | Throat | and I guess "nodev usbfs" is ok |
| 19:28.46 | Throat | probably means there is no "real" device connected to that |
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| 19:28.55 | Throat | what do you want from usbfs? |
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| 19:29.24 | NelsonFx | Thms, see en the motherboard bios |
| 19:29.28 | Throat | have an entry in fstab, though |
| 19:29.31 | Throat | $ grep usbfs /etc/fstab |
| 19:29.31 | Throat | none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
| 19:29.38 | Thms | okay NelsonFx thanks |
| 19:29.39 | DavidProck1981 | ok i just did aptitude search nv & aptitude search nv, AND ANY THING related to nvidia i just REMEVED it, when i read "NelsonFx: DavidProck1981, ls /etc/init.d/nvidia*" and that gives me "/etc/init.d/nvidia-glx /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel" |
| 19:29.45 | Throat | but from what you said earlier, I guess you created that |
| 19:30.45 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, dpkg -l nvidia-* |
| 19:31.07 | DavidProck1981 | is that a L or i |
| 19:31.15 | zinx | it's a l |
| 19:31.16 | jair | hello guys, is debian etch (stable) now? |
| 19:31.28 | DavidProck1981 | capital i ? |
| 19:31.31 | Nemoder | lower case L |
| 19:31.33 | Thms | yes jair yes etch is stable |
| 19:31.40 | jair | and also does it comes ijn netinst like sarge was? |
| 19:31.55 | Nemoder | yes jair |
| 19:31.57 | jair | Thms: it comes in netinst and business card? |
| 19:31.58 | Thms | jair: yes there is netinst and business card |
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| 19:32.16 | NelsonFx | L |
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| 19:32.28 | jair | Thms: do you mind to paste the link here or give a link to dpkg the bot? |
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| 19:32.48 | slicky | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.56 | Thms | jair: why ? |
| 19:32.59 | DavidProck1981 | ok i need a pastebin link so i can post the result from dpkg -l nvidia-* |
| 19:33.25 | jair | Thms: because I was having hard time finding it on debian.org |
| 19:33.38 | DavidProck1981 | !pastebin |
| 19:33.39 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:33.47 | Thms | jair: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ |
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| 19:34.11 | black_13 | how do i mount usb flash disk? |
| 19:34.19 | slicky | anyone have a suggestion on my question? |
| 19:34.26 | black_13 | excuse me key drive |
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| 19:34.44 | Nemoder | jair: you can of course update to etch from sarge without reinstalling |
| 19:34.50 | ma3x | what package should I install, just to be able to launch kde? (not to install all kde components) |
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| 19:35.11 | aldin | how do i install xgl on debian 4.0 |
| 19:35.20 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 19:35.48 | ma3x | thjanks! |
| 19:35.56 | Nosferatu | What do you want XGL for? |
| 19:36.00 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx, Nemoder, alleyoopster, http://pastebin.ca/450334 |
| 19:36.03 | aldin | compiz |
| 19:36.27 | DavidProck1981 | FUCK BRB |
| 19:36.29 | Nosferatu | aldin, that's in Xorg7. |
| 19:36.51 | aldin | Nosferatu: what shoudl i do |
| 19:37.18 | wad | Guh. Here I am at work, Friday afternoon. The parts for my new computer have arrived at my house. I wanna go home and play. But I have to be at work for a few more hours. Waaaah. |
| 19:37.20 | jair | Nemoder: hmm |
| 19:37.20 | Nosferatu | Depends on what you're trying to do ... |
| 19:37.26 | Nosferatu | Are you running stable, aldin? |
| 19:37.33 | jair | Nemoder: I tryied and run into problems |
| 19:37.33 | aldin | i am etch/stable |
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| 19:37.37 | Nemoder | aldin: the new xorg includes the extentions needed for compiz/beryl, don't need a seperate x server anymore |
| 19:37.39 | aldin | 4.0 |
| 19:37.48 | jair | Thms: Thanks |
| 19:37.53 | aldin | Nemoder: really? |
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| 19:38.12 | aldin | Nemoder: so i shoudl just type compiz --replace gconf ? |
| 19:38.14 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, you can purgue tha nvidia-glx package |
| 19:38.33 | aldin | Nemoder: i have ati card... ? |
| 19:38.38 | Nosferatu | Nemoder, I'm not sure that version of X is in stable. |
| 19:38.44 | Nosferatu | aldin, http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
| 19:38.50 | Nosferatu | That's from September of last year. |
| 19:39.14 | aldin | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r0 (etch) |
| 19:39.26 | aldin | i use that version? |
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| 19:39.35 | Nemoder | aldin: I'm not too sure.. I added 'deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main' to my sources.list for beryl and I didn't need to change xorg |
| 19:40.00 | chops | slicky: You shouldn't need a new kernel to run pptp under etch... the days of patching for MPPE encryption are long gone. |
| 19:40.09 | aldin | Nemoder: do u use fgrx driver for 3D? |
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| 19:40.19 | Nemoder | aldin: sorry, I use nvidia |
| 19:40.20 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, or just rm the /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx file |
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| 19:40.33 | aldin | Nemoder: two different worlds!? |
| 19:40.39 | Nosferatu | Not necessarily. |
| 19:40.39 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, if youre not using the debiaa nvidia package |
| 19:40.48 | Rockj | anyone been upgrading from sarge mysql 4.1 to etch with mysql5? mysql_upgrade is taking ages ...is this normal? |
| 19:40.50 | Nemoder | aldin: I thought the ati driver supported it too, maybe I'm wrong |
| 19:40.55 | Nosferatu | So long as the fglrx driver supports some of the required extensions. |
| 19:40.58 | Nosferatu | Nemoder, I think it does. |
| 19:40.59 | aldin | Nemoder: ati uses xgl... |
| 19:41.09 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, manual delete that file and reinstall the nvidia driver with the nvidia-installer |
| 19:41.36 | aldin | OpenGL version string: 2.0.6458 (8.36.5) |
| 19:41.37 | jair | Nemoder: how can i upgrade from sarge to etch without affect my xorg which will change from XF86 to Xorg |
| 19:41.44 | aldin | OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc. |
| 19:42.01 | Nemoder | DavidProck1981: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4 |
| 19:42.36 | Nemoder | jair: you would have to upgrade to xorg |
| 19:42.38 | slicky | chops, hm, okey.. .something isnt right anyhow.. iv created some conf files for pptp and when i run it.. it connects to the vpn host and nothing more happens.. (i thougt there was some wrong at my installation) |
| 19:42.48 | jair | Thms: ok |
| 19:42.51 | wolferine | with proftpd, I am not able to view my nfs shares, but I can see my smb shares (not the permissions) |
| 19:42.55 | chops | slicky: I had a working PPTP installation at one point, so I know it's possible :-) |
| 19:43.03 | jair | Nemoder: ok so how should I do this? |
| 19:43.07 | xand | slicky: does pppX appear in ifconfig? |
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| 19:43.16 | jair | Nemoder: "apt-get install xorg"? |
| 19:43.20 | slicky | xand, no.. :\ |
| 19:43.24 | Nemoder | !tell jair about sarge->etch |
| 19:43.25 | chops | slicky: I remember having to dick with routes in an ip-up.d script before it would work :-( |
| 19:43.33 | jair | Nemoder: Thanks |
| 19:43.35 | xand | slicky: what kind of vpn server? |
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| 19:43.45 | J_P | hello |
| 19:44.03 | slicky | xand, hm. pptp ? a 128bit encrypted one.. dont know how to specify it more |
| 19:44.06 | Nemoder | NelsonFx: apt-get will work fine |
| 19:44.13 | NelsonFx | Nemoder, okz |
| 19:44.19 | dutchfish | i have strange problem with gnome desktop, everythingis fine but the debian menu shows every app twice, how to fix this? |
| 19:44.22 | xand | slicky: do you know if it's Windows, cisco or what? |
| 19:44.28 | chops | slicky: A Windows-friendly VPN, you mean? |
| 19:44.30 | J_P | people, are there something between tail and head ? Because I need get 456980 line from a large file that are there 2344564 lines |
| 19:44.52 | chops | slicky: Windows people tend to say "VPN" to mean pptp, since that's what Windows likes to use when acting as a client |
| 19:44.54 | slicky | hm, i think itÅ› a windows vpn.. |
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| 19:45.37 | xand | slicky: try these instructions for vpn, using your server address instead of the one it mentions... they're hte instructions i used and it works fine http://offog.org/kentservices.html#h1 |
| 19:45.56 | xand | for connecting to a windows (pptp) vpn |
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| 19:46.40 | Nemoder | J_P: you'll probably want to use sed for that |
| 19:46.50 | slicky | xand, okey, seams like a nice howto.. ill try it ;D thanks |
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| 19:47.16 | DavidProck1981 | im back, NelsonFx did u get the link http://pastebin.ca/450334 |
| 19:47.25 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, yep |
| 19:47.28 | DavidProck1981 | let me scrool up and see what i missed |
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| 19:47.36 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, plz |
| 19:47.43 | Nemoder | J_P: something like 'cat file | sed -n 456980p' |
| 19:47.59 | DavidProck1981 | brb, reading above |
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| 19:48.17 | dutchfish | wich file does contains the menu-items, some are showed twice, how can i fix this? |
| 19:48.27 | slicky | xand, iv got a question... name UKC\ats1 <-- what shall i type there? |
| 19:48.39 | xand | slicky: the vpn username |
| 19:48.43 | slicky | okey |
| 19:48.45 | slicky | no domain? |
| 19:49.00 | xand | i use it without domain, try both |
| 19:49.05 | slicky | okey |
| 19:49.05 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, kde/gnome ? |
| 19:49.15 | dutchfish | NelsonFx, gnome (etch) |
| 19:49.22 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, alacarte |
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| 19:50.16 | Bombo | hi i'm using debian/etch with pppd 2.4.4 and rp-pppoe, i got truncated-ip messages with tcpdump -i ppp0 and -i eth1 a ftp connection that i have is disconnected every now and then. how can i find out what causes this? |
| 19:50.21 | dutchfish | NelsonFx, in alacarta no double menu-items, in alacarta it show fine |
| 19:50.23 | Bombo | 21:47:46.999036 IP truncated-ip - 1450 bytes missing! (tos 0x0, ttl 52, id 26344, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 1492) 141.76.2.4.80 > 84.60.214.36.52439: . 5268605:5270045(1440) ack 164 win 362 <nop,nop,[|tcp]> |
| 19:50.32 | Bombo | what does that mean? |
| 19:50.44 | Bombo | does that help tp debug ? |
| 19:50.50 | slicky | xand, "ip route add 129.12.254.0/24 $defroute" will this be my new ip? or is it a conf for a static ip? |
| 19:51.41 | antgel | where were the ssl changes to etch apache 2 documented? i can't seem to find them anywhere. i know there is no more -D SSL, but i'd like to read the relevant info from the devs |
| 19:51.53 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, hum, :S |
| 19:52.17 | Bombo | this is tcpdump -i eth1: |
| 19:52.23 | Bombo | 21:45:31.628780 PPPoE [ses 0xf02] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing! (tos 0x0, ttl 52, id 56150, offset 0, flags [DF], proto: TCP (6), length: 1492) 141.76.2.4.80 > 84.60.214.36.52438: . 1305338:1306778(1440) ack 487 win 362 <nop,nop,timestamp 8917303 1282687> |
| 19:52.25 | dutchfish | NelsonFx, in wich config file these menu items reside? |
| 19:52.41 | Bombo | always "1280 bytes missing!" mostly, what could that be? |
| 19:53.02 | dutchfish | Bombo, whats your MTU size on your host and router? |
| 19:53.09 | wintix | !tell Bombo about pastebin |
| 19:53.12 | Bombo | anyone using pppoe here? |
| 19:53.14 | xand | slicky: no, replace that network range with the one that corresponds to what traffic you want to use the vpn |
| 19:53.30 | Bombo | dutchfish: no idea |
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| 19:53.37 | wintix | Bombo: ask your real question. and. /msg dpkg anyone |
| 19:53.45 | dutchfish | Bombo, and is frgamentation disabled on one of them? |
| 19:53.53 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx i did rm /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx, but was there 2 things related to nvidia in the /etc/init.d/? |
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| 19:54.00 | slicky | xand, okey.. it says: MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2] auth not performed. |
| 19:54.01 | Bombo | dutchfish: how do i find out? |
| 19:54.15 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, cant rememeber, let me check in my machine |
| 19:54.21 | dutchfish | Bombo, ifconfig? |
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| 19:54.47 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, right, but only that is the one that damage the nvidia installer driver scheme |
| 19:55.00 | luosm | Is there a way to see how big the app is before installing it? |
| 19:55.00 | xand | slicky: erm |
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| 19:55.21 | Bombo | dutchfish: ok eth1: MTU:1500 and ppp0: MTU:1492 |
| 19:55.40 | slicky | xand, i dont understand what it means |
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| 19:56.01 | Bombo | dutchfish: nothing about fragmentation there |
| 19:56.06 | DavidProck1981 | do i need to check for modules or dirvers being left behind, i want to remove 100% of all nvidia related stuff, and just start over |
| 19:56.14 | J_P | Nemoder: thanks |
| 19:56.14 | dutchfish | Bombo, MTU 1500 is ok, dont know the overhead for PPP, someone can fill me in? |
| 19:56.28 | xand | slicky: do you have module ppp_mppe loaded? and have you installed pptp-linux and iproute? |
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| 19:57.32 | Rockj | anyone experienced with mysql_upgrade ? |
| 19:58.01 | Rockj | script is running forever, im unsure if it just takes ages or if I should shut it down. and if I shut it down and it's wrong - will it continune from where it ended? |
| 19:58.01 | DavidProck1981 | ok i just found /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel and rm it |
| 19:58.35 | dutchfish | Bombo, what device (router?) is your ppp0 connected to? |
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| 19:59.05 | xand | slicky: and what kernel do you have? |
| 19:59.14 | slicky | xand, ppp_mppe isnt loaded.. and i dont have iproute.. |
| 19:59.15 | jvm_ | hi. i upgraded to unstable and my xinerama configuration doesn't work anymore. why? |
| 19:59.31 | slicky | xand, 2.6.15-27-server |
| 19:59.32 | J_P | Nemoder: and if I would like get a interval : beteween line 4538421 and 4538600 for example ? |
| 19:59.36 | abrotman | !bts |
| 19:59.36 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:59.41 | xand | slicky: well you need ppp_mppe (modprobe it?) and not sure if that kernel is recent enough |
| 19:59.42 | abrotman | slicky: are oyu using ubuntu ? |
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| 19:59.55 | antgel | abrotman: abrotman! |
| 19:59.59 | abrotman | hi antgel |
| 20:00.08 | Bombo | dutchfish: it is connected to a dsl modem |
| 20:00.23 | antgel | how you doing, i'm enjoying the one week of warm weather we have per year |
| 20:00.39 | antgel | actually, i think it's over already, it was a bit nippy tonight |
| 20:00.41 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx for me to use the installer fron the nvidia web sight, what all will i need to install, like headers or kernel package ect? |
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| 20:00.45 | Bombo | dutchfish: standard adsl modem from my isp (arcor) |
| 20:01.02 | slicky | abrotman, hm.. isnt that debian based? ye.. dapper i use... lol |
| 20:01.06 | dutchfish | Bombo, is is properly configed? i remember that some need the right fragmentation setting, consult your dsl-modem manual |
| 20:01.25 | abrotman | slicky: so ask #ubuntu .. not us |
| 20:01.36 | abrotman | antgel: it's warm here today .. and the weekend |
| 20:01.37 | antgel | !tell slicky about debian-based |
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| 20:01.55 | antgel | hmm, someone sanitised the factoid |
| 20:02.06 | Bombo | dutchfish: i dont think its configurable at all, never done that hehe |
| 20:02.10 | slicky | im sorry.. :$ |
| 20:02.11 | dutchfish | Bombo, if its configured through http can you access its pages correctly without package erors? |
| 20:02.28 | Bombo | dutchfish: its not a router its just a plain modem |
| 20:02.39 | antgel | abrotman: you want to go yachting |
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| 20:02.58 | J_P | Nemoder: something this : cat gamboa_pg_dumpall_20_04_2007.dmp | sed -n 4538421p:4538600p ? |
| 20:03.08 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx , well im off to tri it on my own, any last words of advice |
| 20:03.15 | dutchfish | Bombo, hold on, i have to look up something for you |
| 20:03.17 | Bombo | dutchfish: the router for my lan is the debian box |
| 20:03.24 | antgel | always put your socks on before your shoes |
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| 20:03.27 | dutchfish | Bombo, ill got that |
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| 20:03.35 | hunterones2 | i have 4 gb ram on my new server.. but after i installed the system, when i do "free -m" i get: Mem: 3542.. does anyone know why?? the system uses something? |
| 20:03.48 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, |
| 20:03.52 | DavidProck1981 | what |
| 20:04.11 | abrotman | antgel: i'll probably get to go with my dad this summer |
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| 20:04.53 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, aptitude install linux-header-`uname -a` build-essential |
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| 20:05.07 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, hey, i found it |
| 20:05.17 | dutchfish | Bombo, you have configured masqurading? |
| 20:05.19 | NelsonFx | dutchfish, ~/.config/menu/ |
| 20:05.29 | dutchfish | NelsonFx, great thx! |
| 20:05.34 | Damm_ | stupid question, just upgraded from sarge to etch, and now my vlan's are broken, I used to have to disable the spoof protection, which appears to be disabled according to /proc... however no traffic still pass's |
| 20:05.36 | DavidProck1981 | if could not find it |
| 20:05.44 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -a` build-essential <= there was a s of headres missing |
| 20:05.48 | NelsonFx | headers |
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| 20:06.05 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 20:06.09 | Bombo | btw how do i activate java in firefox? i got sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-10-3 installed with apt-get but firefox wont load any java apps |
| 20:06.19 | Bombo | dutchfish: yep |
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| 20:06.34 | antgel | abrotman: nice work if you can get it :) i'm having a holiday in a couple of months, first in about five years |
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| 20:06.40 | Bombo | dutchfish: got some rules for iptables |
| 20:06.44 | Nemoder | J_P: cat gamboa_pg_dumpall_20_04_2007.dmp | sed -n 4538421,4538600p |
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| 20:07.22 | rgsteele | Hey guys. I think some other admin attempted to remove a package the wrong way or something, because dpkg thinks there is no telnetd user and won't let me remove the package: http://pastebin.ca/450368 |
| 20:07.23 | antgel | ack. microsoft "people-ready" advert on the tv |
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| 20:07.46 | J_P | Nemoder: :-) |
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| 20:07.48 | antgel | Bombo: did you restart firefox? what does about:plugins report? |
| 20:07.56 | rgsteele | Am I stuck there leaving it in the rH state? |
| 20:08.15 | antgel | rgsteele: create a user? |
| 20:08.21 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx OMG let me do a paste |
| 20:08.23 | mcgreg | does google earth woerk with debian? I get strange font-output and it wont work |
| 20:08.30 | dutchfish | Bombo, maybe this helps (but is french) the explanation is great: http://christian.caleca.free.fr/pppoe/mtu_mss_etc.htm |
| 20:08.33 | DavidProck1981 | !pastebin |
| 20:08.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 20:08.51 | Damm_ | weird, now I can't tcpdump eth1.159 |
| 20:08.51 | Damm_ | weird |
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| 20:09.00 | antgel | dutchfish: it's crap on linux. we probably can't support it (closed source). try their forum |
| 20:09.02 | Damm_ | audit(1177099651.365:5): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295 |
| 20:09.06 | antgel | oops |
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| 20:09.09 | antgel | mcgreg: ^^ |
| 20:09.23 | Bombo | antgel: no java plugins |
| 20:09.33 | antgel | Bombo: did you restart firefox? |
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| 20:09.42 | Bombo | antgel: yes |
| 20:10.00 | antgel | all windows closed, ps ax |grep firefox returns nothing? |
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| 20:10.16 | Bombo | antgel: nothing |
| 20:10.16 | dutchfish | antgel, related to what? |
| 20:11.07 | Bombo | dutchfish: i got a java prob also ;) |
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| 20:11.16 | abrotman | antgel: he's offered me numerous long range trips |
| 20:11.24 | abrotman | antgel: my brother thought about doing it for a living |
| 20:11.32 | dutchfish | Bombo, i have no idee what you talking about? |
| 20:11.38 | antgel | dutchfish: read on, i was talking to mcgreg |
| 20:12.00 | antgel | abrotman: you can do that shit for a living? so why am i sitting in front of an xterm? :) |
| 20:12.10 | Bombo | dutchfish: my java isnt working in firefox... just another problem i got not related to the ppp one |
| 20:12.22 | Damm_ | what the heck is this? audit(1177099651.365:5): dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295 |
| 20:12.29 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx look at this |
| 20:12.38 | Damm_ | the kernel isn't a SElinux kernel according to newrole |
| 20:12.44 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.00 | Bombo | antgel: seems i'm missing a java plugin |
| 20:13.08 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, ok |
| 20:13.23 | rgsteele | antgel: That didn't work. |
| 20:13.27 | DavidProck1981 | what is the problem with teh command |
| 20:13.33 | rgsteele | antgel: I'm stuck in the same situation. |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | antgel: because you don't have a home when you do it .. and live out of a duffel bag |
| 20:13.53 | DavidProck1981 | im useing the 2.6.18-4-686 kernel |
| 20:13.54 | rgsteele | antgel: Basically comes down to groupdel: cannot remove user's primary group. |
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| 20:14.26 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, sorry, it's uname -r not -a |
| 20:14.34 | antgel | rgsteele: add the group as well, in that case |
| 20:14.41 | rgsteele | antgel: The group does exist. |
| 20:14.46 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, "ups" |
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| 20:15.04 | antgel | rgsteele: but is it the primary group of the user? |
| 20:15.11 | wad | Is it possible to run debian on a video card? |
| 20:15.24 | wad | They've got RAM, and the newer ones have a GPU.... |
| 20:15.38 | rgsteele | antgel: It's the initial group, yes. |
| 20:15.40 | xand | dont all video cards have GPUs? |
| 20:15.55 | wad | xand: Newer ones. Older ones can just be frame buffers. |
| 20:15.57 | rgsteele | antgel: I added him with: useradd -g telnetd telnetd |
| 20:15.59 | leaveone_ | ive just had to replace my motherboard and im wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot my new sound issues |
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| 20:16.05 | yos87 | Hi |
| 20:16.14 | wad | leaveone_, add your users to the audio group to enable sound. |
| 20:16.17 | rgsteele | antgel: dpkg still balks with the groupdel. |
| 20:16.41 | leaveone_ | is there a command for that? |
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| 20:17.15 | antgel | rgsteele: you could re-install the package, then remove it |
| 20:17.17 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx is there any thing else i need |
| 20:17.24 | Ankman | leaveone_: usermod |
| 20:17.35 | Ankman | better make it per GUI if you have |
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| 20:17.41 | yos87 | I have question, I assimble my own computer, on intel motherbared with seagate 500gb hd. when installing debian, on detecting hardware, i have error "no partitionable media were found please chech if a media attached with this machine' |
| 20:17.47 | yos87 | somebody can help me |
| 20:17.50 | antgel | abrotman: fair enough, but isn't there something about "a maiden in every port" etc? |
| 20:17.52 | aubade | Any chance the stock kernels on testing/unstable have IVT support? |
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| 20:17.55 | Bombo | how do i find out what debian package contains the java plugin for firefox? is there any? |
| 20:18.03 | antgel | yos87: what version you trying to install? |
| 20:18.15 | yos87 | debian 3.1 r04 |
| 20:18.16 | kspath | yos87: sata? SCSI? |
| 20:18.21 | antgel | Bombo: ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 20:18.21 | yos87 | it's sata |
| 20:18.29 | Bombo | apt-cache search java|grep firefox didbt find anything |
| 20:18.38 | antgel | Bombo: also /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 20:18.47 | antgel | to the pastebin please |
| 20:18.51 | Bombo | antgel: ls: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 20:19.12 | yos87 | I could patition the hd with windows |
| 20:19.18 | antgel | Bombo: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ ? |
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| 20:19.35 | leaveone_ | ok, i was already in the audio group.. what else can i try? |
| 20:19.36 | Bombo | antgel: $ ls /usr/lib/firefox/plugins -> flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so libunixprintplugin.so |
| 20:19.53 | rgsteele | antgel: No dice: http://pastebin.ca/450385 |
| 20:20.05 | rgsteele | antgel: I thought this was going to be a simple endeavor as well :) |
| 20:20.21 | leaveone_ | when i run alsaconf as sudo i get this "modinfo: could not find module snd" |
| 20:20.28 | Bombo | antgel: do you have that? what is the filename? |
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| 20:20.35 | yos87 | antgel: what I'm having this error |
| 20:20.37 | hunterones2 | i have 4 gb ram on my new server.. but after i installed the system, when i do "free -m" i get "Mem: 3542" |
| 20:20.49 | DavidProck1981 | well im off to work on my nvidia card, NelsonFx |
| 20:20.50 | hunterones2 | does anyone know why? |
| 20:21.02 | antgel | yos87: try latest debian, etch. later kernel |
| 20:21.06 | Bombo | antgel: i could search for it with apt-file if i'd know the filename of the java plugin |
| 20:21.07 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, good luck :) |
| 20:21.23 | DavidProck1981 | oh what about the discover program |
| 20:21.24 | antgel | Bombo: i just did. it's in sun-java5-bin |
| 20:21.27 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, you can always use the nv module tu get back your X |
| 20:21.36 | DavidProck1981 | that message i gave earlyer |
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| 20:21.41 | yos87 | antgel: I mean is it from the main board or from th hd? |
| 20:21.55 | yos87 | my information that all intel wrok well with debian |
| 20:21.56 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx LOL i removed nv too |
| 20:22.11 | antgel | yos87: i'm sorry, i don't understand what you are saying |
| 20:22.21 | Pechorin | hello all.. just wanted to check... debian-40r0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso is what I think it is. debian installer that contains the base system, xorg and xfce4, right? |
| 20:22.21 | rgsteele | antgel: I suppose I could try to manually remove the group telnetd |
| 20:22.21 | DavidProck1981 | i know how to get it back thow |
| 20:22.26 | yos87 | antgel: ok, sorry for disturb |
| 20:22.35 | antgel | rcbarnes: indeed |
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| 20:23.03 | rgsteele | antgel: Ah, yeah can't even do a manual groupdel on telnetd |
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| 20:23.17 | Bombo | antgel: ah probably /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 20:23.24 | rgsteele | antgel: Just got a groupdel: cannot remove user's primary group.... which I expected, I guess. |
| 20:23.26 | valdyn | hunterones2: which kernel are you using? |
| 20:23.44 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 20:23.48 | Bombo | or /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/plugin/i386/ns7-gcc29/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 20:23.58 | styx-tdo | hi, can anyone help me w/ kernel compile? i apt-get source kernel.image-2.6.20-xen-1-686 but somehow there's no arch=xen support in it (in arch, there's anything but xen) |
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| 20:24.13 | Bombo | or maybe /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.10/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_jni.so |
| 20:24.44 | antgel | Bombo: did you have that package installed? |
| 20:24.45 | Bombo | i guess i should copy one of these to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 20:24.51 | Bombo | antgel: yes |
| 20:25.07 | NelsonFx | antgel, how did you install the java jvm ? |
| 20:25.19 | NelsonFx | antgel, or jre |
| 20:25.23 | antgel | Bombo: no you shouldn't manually fuck around like that - ISTR that the package knows what to do, like magic :) |
| 20:25.36 | valdyn | Bombo: there's an extra package containing the plugin |
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| 20:25.50 | antgel | having said that, the version of java on this machine was created with java-package |
| 20:25.50 | Bombo | antgel: so whan am i going to do now |
| 20:25.52 | valdyn | Bombo: if that is installed, you dont have to copy anything around |
| 20:26.01 | Bombo | valdyn: called? |
| 20:26.01 | antgel | Bombo: see valdyn's helpful comment :) |
| 20:26.06 | sls_ | Is there a good guide to setingup pam_mount? I really want to set it up to mount : volume * smb hathor & /home/HADES/& uid=&,gid=&,dmask=0750,workgroup=HADES - - (except that it does not work at all! This is how I understand that the man page wants me to do it... ideas??) |
| 20:26.09 | NelsonFx | antgel, you have sarge or etch ? |
| 20:26.21 | valdyn | Bombo: apt-cache search sun java plugin ? |
| 20:26.23 | antgel | Bombo: sun-java5-plugin |
| 20:26.42 | antgel | NelsonFx: etch, but i have had java on here for a long time, probably since sarge |
| 20:26.49 | rgsteele | Hmm... there is no user telnet or telnetd, and only one group telnetd, which has no users. |
| 20:27.02 | valdyn | rgsteele: so? |
| 20:27.03 | Bombo | valdyn: valdyn ah ok |
| 20:27.04 | NelsonFx | antgel, right, that mus be the problem |
| 20:27.05 | rgsteele | How can I possibly be removing a user's primary group if the group telnetd has no members? |
| 20:27.07 | Bombo | antgel: thx ;) |
| 20:27.11 | xand | eww telnet |
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| 20:27.14 | leaveone_ | ive just had to replace my motherboard and im wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot my new sound issues |
| 20:27.21 | rgsteele | xand: Yeah, trying to rid myself of it. |
| 20:27.27 | NelsonFx | antgel, apt-cache search java plugin sun |
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| 20:27.55 | rgsteele | valdyn: A getent group | grep telnet shows: telnetd:x:105: |
| 20:27.56 | antgel | NelsonFx: i was wondering why you are asking me. now i realise you are talking to me when you want to talk to Bombo |
| 20:28.05 | Bombo | "sun-java5-plugin - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0" it should say *firefox* or *browser* somewhere |
| 20:28.13 | rgsteele | valdyn: But if I try to apt-get remove telnetd, it complains that I'm trying to remove a user's primary group. |
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| 20:28.39 | rgsteele | valdyn: I can't even groupdel telnetd... that's why I'm confused; it has no users in the group? |
| 20:28.59 | NelsonFx | antgel, you're right |
| 20:29.00 | valdyn | rgsteele: remove the user telnetd |
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| 20:29.09 | rgsteele | valdyn: There is no user telnetd |
| 20:29.15 | valdyn | rgsteele: i see |
| 20:29.28 | valdyn | rgsteele: fix the postrm script or remove that script |
| 20:30.00 | antgel | rgsteele: it's buggy in that respect, see similar http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308439 and feel free to raise a bug report if you can replicate it |
| 20:33.16 | rgsteele | Ok, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy. :) |
| 20:33.16 | antgel | rgsteele: you might still be crazy |
| 20:33.17 | abrotman | antgel: there might be .. but it's dangerous .. you might not make it to port :) |
| 20:33.17 | rgsteele | antgel: True. |
| 20:33.17 | Bombo | about:plugins does now list Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_10-b03 |
| 20:33.17 | Bombo | ;) |
| 20:33.17 | antgel | abrotman: if there's a maiden there, i'll do my damnedest |
| 20:33.17 | antgel | abrotman: do you know where the ssl changes to apache2 were documented? |
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| 20:33.21 | Bombo | ok and it even works hehe thx for the help antgel and valdyn |
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| 20:33.22 | antgel | !tell Bombo about thx |
| 20:33.22 | antgel | it was all valdyn really |
| 20:33.22 | antgel | :) |
| 20:34.19 | Bombo | so thx is 'out' these days but smilies are still 'in' hehe |
| 20:34.38 | rgsteele | valdyn: In the meantime, where's the postrm script located? |
| 20:34.49 | valdyn | rgsteele: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm |
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| 20:34.55 | rgsteele | valdyn: Great, thanks. |
| 20:34.56 | valdyn | rgsteele: or uh, hold on |
| 20:35.00 | antgel | rgsteele: the locate command is of much use in these situations |
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| 20:35.12 | rgsteele | antgel: Only if the locate database is up to date :) |
| 20:35.30 | abrotman | antgel: in the changelog ? |
| 20:35.41 | abrotman | antgel: what changes ? you mean that it's included int he package now ? |
| 20:35.51 | antgel | rgsteele: yeah, but you'll see the correct directory anyway |
| 20:35.58 | mcgreg | pls pls pls tell me, how can I disable his fucking internal speaker (without dismouting it physically)? |
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| 20:36.06 | mcgreg | his=this |
| 20:36.12 | rgsteele | valdyn: Seems correct to me |
| 20:36.12 | valdyn | !beep |
| 20:36.13 | dpkg | somebody said beep was /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 20:36.24 | valdyn | mm |
| 20:36.31 | valdyn | rgsteele: zea |
| 20:36.32 | valdyn | rgsteele: yea |
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| 20:36.53 | valdyn | !beeper |
| 20:36.55 | antgel | abrotman: i thought i looked there. yeah, i mean the fact that my ssl.conf virtual host no longer works due to its IfDefine SSL, and apache2ctl no longer supports startssl command |
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| 20:37.12 | valdyn | mcgreg: some terminal is beeping, right? |
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| 20:37.30 | rgsteele | valdyn: I don't think it's the postrm |
| 20:37.37 | rgsteele | I can't even do a groupdel on that group |
| 20:37.38 | antgel | rgsteele: prerm? |
| 20:37.48 | hunterones2 | ¦valdyn¦: kernel-2.6.686-smp |
| 20:37.51 | mcgreg | it is beeping when I want to erease empty stuff, when I get new mails... for every piece of shit it beeps.. hell |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | antgel: a2enmod |
| 20:37.53 | rgsteele | I mean, I can't even manually do a "groupdel telnetd" |
| 20:37.54 | antgel | rgsteele: good point |
| 20:38.10 | rgsteele | Even though there are no members, it says that for some member that's the primary group. |
| 20:38.22 | valdyn | hunterones2: you might need a highmem64 kernel or use debian/amd64 if you have such a cpu |
| 20:38.26 | antgel | abrotman: i'm not that rubbish - "This module is already enabled!" |
| 20:38.58 | antgel | rgsteele: grep telnetd /etc/passwd |
| 20:39.01 | valdyn | hunterones2: apt-cache search bigmem, probably |
| 20:39.03 | rgsteele | antgel: I figured out the problem |
| 20:39.06 | rgsteele | This looks ugly |
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| 20:39.08 | hunterones2 | valdyn, i do.. and my kernel supports 4gb ram.. strange, none of my machines had the "full" memory |
| 20:39.26 | rgsteele | Clamav has telnetd as it's group |
| 20:39.26 | rgsteele | Oy vey... |
| 20:39.29 | antgel | rgsteele: oops, grep the group number, sorry |
| 20:39.34 | antgel | oy gevalt |
| 20:39.51 | valdyn | hunterones2: nominally sure, but some of that space stays reserved i think, just like with kernels supporting 1G, where you really get less |
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| 20:41.18 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 20:41.34 | HardDisk_WP | what's the CIDR notation of 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255? |
| 20:41.41 | HardDisk_WP | 0.0.0.0/0 is not correct for Squid |
| 20:42.02 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: /32 |
| 20:42.09 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 20:42.27 | tabris|away | wtf. |
| 20:42.31 | tabris|away | that's _wrong_ |
| 20:42.36 | hunterones2 | valdyn got it.. gonna try... |
| 20:42.39 | tabris|away | 0.0.0.0/32 means 'this IP and this IP only' |
| 20:42.45 | HardDisk_WP | oh |
| 20:42.46 | valdyn | tabris|away: ops |
| 20:42.52 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: 0 is right then.. |
| 20:43.20 | HardDisk_WP | squid doesnt accept acl all src 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 20:43.26 | tabris|away | try 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
| 20:43.26 | HardDisk_WP | 2007/04/20 22:43:00| WARNING: '0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0' is a subnetwork of '0.0.0.0' |
| 20:43.26 | HardDisk_WP | 2007/04/20 22:43:00| WARNING: because of this '0.0.0.0' is ignored to keep splay tree searching predictable |
| 20:43.45 | tabris|away | ok, or not. |
| 20:44.11 | vostorga | somebody has worked with a text-to-speech system such as festival, or mbrola? I need to read text in spanish language, but those programs use english only....it's for blind people.... |
| 20:44.14 | rgsteele | antgel: Turns out that somehow, telnetd was in LDAP as a group... 105, even though LDAP groups start at 1000 |
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| 20:44.31 | antgel | rgsteele: did you answer my comment ^^ about ldap? :) |
| 20:44.35 | HardDisk_WP | antgel, yepp |
| 20:44.58 | rgsteele | antgel: No, but I should have, huh? :) |
| 20:45.07 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: use: acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 |
| 20:45.21 | rgsteele | antgel: Thanks for putting up with me there for a few minutes |
| 20:45.23 | rgsteele | Heh |
| 20:45.25 | antgel | rgsteele: yeah, would have saved my rsi-prone body some valuable keystrokes :) |
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| 20:45.38 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, same error |
| 20:45.43 | HardDisk_WP | squid acl is rotten. |
| 20:45.49 | test | hello, i'm having some fontpath issue trying to start xorg |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: works for me |
| 20:46.03 | rgsteele | antgel: If it makes you feel any better, I've got ulnar nerve compression at the elbow - cubital tunnel syndrome :) |
| 20:46.08 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, hmm...which version do you use? |
| 20:46.13 | HardDisk_WP | i use 2.6stable12 |
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| 20:46.17 | HardDisk_WP | (debian lenny= |
| 20:46.21 | yopi | heya |
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| 20:46.23 | test | i suppose is a classic problem, some package i must install ? |
| 20:46.28 | test | did install xserver-xorg |
| 20:46.31 | yopi | I just disabled acpi at boot |
| 20:46.37 | yopi | is there a way to check it has been done? |
| 20:46.42 | HardDisk_WP | test, yep |
| 20:46.43 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that has worked for me for years, iirc |
| 20:46.44 | test | what else i must install to don't have this problem |
| 20:46.45 | test | ? |
| 20:46.59 | stew | test: aptitude install xorg |
| 20:47.14 | HardDisk_WP | test, apt-get install xfonts-base xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi |
| 20:47.20 | test | ok, thanks |
| 20:47.31 | antgel | yopi: ls /proc/acpi |
| 20:48.02 | test | ou... that aptitude stuff is very useful |
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| 20:48.03 | test | :D |
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| 20:48.52 | _pt_ | hello guys, anyone know the package using to create video from the image files? |
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| 20:49.15 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that line is even in the default squid.conf |
| 20:49.25 | Bombo | is linux-2.6 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 is the latest 2.6 kernel in etch? |
| 20:49.57 | Bombo | i'm about to compile one right now |
| 20:50.00 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, and that's why I dont check WHY it doesnt work. |
| 20:50.11 | stew | Bombo: yes |
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| 20:50.25 | yopi | antgel : there's no dir: acpi. good sign yeah? |
| 20:50.30 | _pt_ | apt-cache video or vcd doesnt return any match i wish...i would like to create video files(image + audio) |
| 20:50.37 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you have another acl entry with 0.0.0.0 i guess |
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| 20:50.49 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, negative |
| 20:51.10 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: paste your squid.conf |
| 20:51.11 | HardDisk_WP | oh wait, it is |
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| 20:51.16 | HardDisk_WP | *argh* |
| 20:51.30 | valdyn | ! |
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| 20:51.35 | antgel | yopi: indeed |
| 20:51.42 | HardDisk_WP | But this STILL doesnt explain why the fsck my auth doesnt work |
| 20:52.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: nope, but we no info about any auth issues yet either |
| 20:52.18 | mtm8 | I'm trying to make a custom Debian based LiveCD. I'm following through this: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ and when I get to the preseeding section, specifically the partitioning section, it becomes a bit unclear as to what my options are. |
| 20:52.24 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: nope, but we have no info about any auth issues yet either |
| 20:52.54 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, well, I (basically) try to implement my own auth mechanism. but my auth-program aint even called.. |
| 20:53.03 | HardDisk_WP | squid doesnt even ASK the browser for auth data |
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| 20:53.43 | test | crap |
| 20:54.00 | mtm8 | I don't want to use partman-auto simply because sfdisk /dev/sda < /etc/partitions.list does the same thing. Can I call d-i preseed/early_command string sfdisk /dev/sda < /etc/partitions.list instead of partman-auto ? |
| 20:54.04 | test | to start xserver i must have that .xinitrc stuff right? |
| 20:54.18 | antgel | test: not in this millenium |
| 20:54.40 | valdyn | test: no |
| 20:54.42 | test | antgel: so, remove my ~/.xinitrc ? |
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| 20:54.51 | valdyn | test: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:55.02 | test | starting xorg |
| 20:55.11 | test | did edit my ~/.xinitrc |
| 20:55.12 | valdyn | test: fine, run startx |
| 20:55.13 | VImtermute | later |
| 20:55.17 | test | put exec fluxbox |
| 20:55.31 | test | but doesn- |
| 20:55.34 | test | start fluxbox |
| 20:55.38 | test | fluxbox is installed |
| 20:55.42 | valdyn | test: use ~/.xsession |
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| 20:56.25 | Throat | fluxbox? Back to the future? |
| 20:56.28 | test | ok |
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| 20:56.49 | test | Throat: what you want in a Pentium MMX with 32MB of ram? |
| 20:56.57 | test | a damn gnome/kde/xfce4 ? |
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| 20:57.18 | Throat | ratpoison :) |
| 20:57.25 | Throat | nah, I was just marvelling at the name |
| 20:57.35 | test | did ratpoison, not for me |
| 20:57.38 | mtm8 | Can anyone help me please? |
| 20:57.39 | test | <-boxmen |
| 20:57.43 | Throat | for me neither :) |
| 20:57.58 | valdyn | mtm8: how should we know if anyone can help you? |
| 20:58.07 | Throat | but fvwm2 or openbox are ok |
| 20:58.08 | mtm8 | mtm8: By reading the questions I ask I suppose. |
| 20:58.19 | mtm8 | Or valdyn even. |
| 20:58.25 | styx-tdo | with 2.6.20, i don |
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| 20:58.58 | styx-tdo | with 2.6.20, i don't have hda, but only sda.. how can i check and set the DMA and IO parameters? hdparm bulks out with /dev/sda |
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| 20:59.00 | test | on the .xsession with exec fluxbox then ? |
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| 20:59.13 | Throat | mtm8: god can probably help you - he is omnipotent by definition, so that inculdes the power to help you |
| 20:59.17 | kspath | !tell mtm8 about ask |
| 20:59.38 | melodos | hi! is it more harder to install the ati drivers than the nvidia ones? |
| 20:59.38 | valdyn | styx-tdo: you dont need to |
| 20:59.42 | Throat | he might not bother, though |
| 21:00.00 | antgel | mtm8: why don't you just try it? |
| 21:00.01 | styx-tdo | valdyn: can you elaborate? |
| 21:01.13 | antgel | melodos: no |
| 21:01.13 | Spec | Is there a documentation/reference guide that explains what the flags stand for/indicate in regards to your processor: `cat /proc/cpuinfo`? |
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| 21:01.14 | melodos | antgel: any link? |
| 21:01.14 | mtm8 | antgel: Well I have other questions about the preseeding process. |
| 21:01.14 | valdyn | styx-tdo: dma is always on when the proper driver is loaded, drive being sda implies that |
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| 21:01.14 | styx-tdo | valdyn: my hdd is awfully slow.. ok. there's no way to really check? |
| 21:01.14 | test | which is the standard device for a serial mice? |
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| 21:01.15 | Dionix | what package is lspci in? |
| 21:01.15 | mtm8 | Would anyone at least be able to tell me if the question is #debian-devel specific? |
| 21:01.15 | styx-tdo | test: /dev/ttyS0 or 1 |
| 21:01.15 | Throat | just use /dev/input/mice for all mice |
| 21:01.15 | test | ok |
| 21:01.15 | test | thaks |
| 21:01.15 | valdyn | styx-tdo: is it a custom kernel? |
| 21:01.19 | styx-tdo | valdyn: stock debian 2.6.20 |
| 21:01.30 | chops | Dionix: pcutils |
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| 21:01.32 | melodos | antgel: any link? |
| 21:01.36 | chops | Dionix: Err pciutils |
| 21:01.38 | styx-tdo | 2.6.20-1-686 (well, currently 2.6.20-xen-1-686 |
| 21:01.44 | valdyn | styx-tdo: the new libata based pata drivers are still somewhat experimental. ( work fine for most people ) |
| 21:01.50 | antgel | melodos: ask once. link to what? |
| 21:01.53 | test | cat-ing the device doesn't show the normal weird characters :\ |
| 21:01.56 | Dionix | thanks chops |
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| 21:02.12 | melodos | antgel: any easy guide about installing ati drivers on deb |
| 21:02.17 | test | damn, the f*cking mice doesn't work on xorg |
| 21:02.29 | chops | test: Wrong serial params, perhaps? |
| 21:02.35 | antgel | melodos: what about the ones in xorg? |
| 21:02.48 | test | i don't know |
| 21:02.49 | valdyn | test: what kind of mouse is this? |
| 21:02.53 | melodos | antgel: huh? |
| 21:02.59 | stew | test: modprobe mousedev ; and try again |
| 21:03.12 | stew | err, that is built in now |
| 21:03.19 | stew | test: how is the mouse connected? ps2? usb? |
| 21:03.22 | antgel | melodos: why don't you use the drivers in xorg? |
| 21:03.25 | test | Serial |
| 21:03.44 | stew | test: modprobe sermouse |
| 21:03.46 | test | stew: yup... doesn't seems to exist that module here |
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| 21:04.48 | GhostlyDeat1 | My system hibernated, then when I booted it up, it paniced saying "Kernel panic - could not find init/, specify init= with boot parameters", What do I set init as? |
| 21:04.52 | test | now... cat-ing /dev/input/mice, /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1 doesn't show the normal weird characters |
| 21:04.55 | test | :\ |
| 21:05.03 | test | which protocol i must use on the xorg |
| 21:05.09 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 21:05.13 | HardDisk_WP | i grep some lines from a file |
| 21:05.14 | test | heyhey! |
| 21:05.22 | HardDisk_WP | how do i tell grep to output me the lines of the hits? |
| 21:05.30 | antgel | HardDisk_WP: man grep! |
| 21:05.33 | test | grep ... > file |
| 21:05.39 | HardDisk_WP | man: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:05.39 | HardDisk_WP | /usr/bin/nroff: fork: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:05.40 | HardDisk_WP | tbl:/tmp/zmanOXPH83:804:fatal error: output error |
| 21:05.41 | HardDisk_WP | :p |
| 21:05.48 | GhostlyDeat1 | err |
| 21:05.48 | test | NICE |
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| 21:05.57 | GhostlyDeat1 | Anyone hear what I said? |
| 21:05.57 | antgel | HardDisk_WP: are you using gentoo? ;D |
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| 21:06.15 | antgel | it's -n btw |
| 21:06.18 | HardDisk_WP | antgel, debian lenny on a virtual server |
| 21:06.26 | antgel | HardDisk_WP: ^^ |
| 21:06.27 | HardDisk_WP | antgel, thx |
| 21:06.31 | HardDisk_WP | GhostlyDeat1, yep |
| 21:06.38 | antgel | HardDisk_WP: it's thanks, btw :) |
| 21:06.51 | test | which is the protocol for Serial Mouses on The Xorg? |
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| 21:07.29 | zinx | test: try auto |
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| 21:07.41 | zinx | test: there are many different protocols for serial mice |
| 21:07.50 | test | ok |
| 21:08.19 | stew | afaik, if you use /dev/input/mice you should be able to use explorer no matter what protocol the physical device is talking |
| 21:08.21 | test | and the device?, /dev/psaux, /dev/input/mice, /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1 doesn't works |
| 21:08.53 | stew | test: you might need to use setserial |
| 21:09.28 | test | how's that? |
| 21:09.32 | stew | test: and have a look at the mdetect package. dunno if it works with serial mice, but probably worth a try |
| 21:09.43 | test | ok |
| 21:09.51 | test | gosh, all my life using archlinux... |
| 21:09.53 | freetos | what would i edit to get read write access to usbfs? |
| 21:09.58 | stew | test: setserial is a pacakge for configuring serial ports, like irq, ip, baud, etc |
| 21:10.03 | test | ok |
| 21:10.27 | zinx | test: it would be easier if you could hook up a ps2 or USB mouse |
| 21:10.30 | test | freetos: usbfs... from a usb flash removabledevice? |
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| 21:10.52 | test | zinx: the computer doesn't have an ps2 or USB PORT |
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| 21:11.03 | freetos | i want to get my usb ports working in virtualbox xp as guest os |
| 21:11.05 | test | and... yes, it would be easier |
| 21:11.19 | DavidProck1981 | ok it lasted through the restart, but now my max resoultition is not avabile |
| 21:11.23 | Throat | GhostlyDeat1: you said 'err' |
| 21:11.24 | beingm | evolution ate my contact data while switching from german language session to greek language session. damn, it took me over a half hour to edit the contactlist |
| 21:11.27 | freetos | test, it says i need read write access to usbfs |
| 21:11.37 | zinx | test: then you get to do it the hard way, i guess :) |
| 21:11.43 | test | ou, virtual box... |
| 21:11.47 | test | noidea |
| 21:11.58 | test | zinx: yep =) |
| 21:12.00 | Throat | just kidding :) try /bin/bash, that will hopefully drop you in a root shell and you can try to fix things |
| 21:12.30 | DavidProck1981 | who was it that was helping me |
| 21:12.47 | test | God? |
| 21:12.52 | DavidProck1981 | no |
| 21:13.00 | kspath | Dog? |
| 21:13.00 | test | Devil? |
| 21:13.07 | DavidProck1981 | maby lol j/k |
| 21:13.10 | test | ! |
| 21:13.20 | Throat | GhostlyDeat1: just kidding :) try /bin/bash, that will hopefully drop you in a root shell and you can try to fix things |
| 21:13.26 | DavidProck1981 | think the name started with a N |
| 21:13.33 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, it was me |
| 21:13.44 | test | OMN |
| 21:13.48 | Throat | damn, now you spoiled the fun :) |
| 21:14.03 | DavidProck1981 | NelsonFx ok it works not but i dont have the same res. |
| 21:14.04 | test | -_-U |
| 21:14.29 | xand | Mala wooru oopsala? |
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| 21:14.49 | DavidProck1981 | my max is 1680x1050 and now i cant select it |
| 21:14.53 | xand | Kyron arbmin ala coora |
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| 21:15.04 | markit | hi, I've problems with debian sid and uim-common... sure I'm not the only one, is there a simple solution? |
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| 21:15.07 | test | zinx: ! |
| 21:15.14 | test | i'm hating setserial |
| 21:15.26 | NelsonFx | DavidProck1981, you need to configure the max resolution in youre xorg.conf file |
| 21:15.32 | DavidProck1981 | brb let me make sure my games work |
| 21:15.38 | antgel | markit: yes, keep your issue secret from #debian so as to let us guess what the problem is |
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| 21:15.57 | test | lol |
| 21:16.01 | DavidProck1981 | i bet if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it will fuck things up? |
| 21:16.02 | xand | !lol |
| 21:16.02 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:16.17 | test | DavidProck1981: be our guest |
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| 21:16.27 | antgel | DavidProck1981: depends |
| 21:16.40 | test | dpkg: i don't even know what AOL is |
| 21:16.57 | markit | http://www.pastebin.ca/450448 error message |
| 21:16.57 | xand | !aol |
| 21:16.58 | dpkg | well, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
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| 21:17.11 | test | ! |
| 21:17.12 | DavidProck1981 | AOL is spyware |
| 21:17.21 | maxamillion | heh ... <3 the bot |
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| 21:17.25 | antgel | what an appalling factoid |
| 21:17.28 | goingtomoonbrb | So, in attemping to fix some permissions issues, I did something really stupid. I decided that chmod -R 733 / was a good idea. |
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| 21:17.31 | goingtomoonbrb | Now, I can't even log in as root |
| 21:17.33 | goingtomoonbrb | currently running from a KNOPPIX live CD |
| 21:17.39 | DavidProck1981 | brb! |
| 21:17.46 | xand | goingtomoonbrb: on the moon? |
| 21:17.47 | test | hahahwamwhahhahmyahahahhaha? |
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| 21:17.58 | xand | test: stop sniffing glue |
| 21:18.00 | zinx | test: well, serial mice run at either 9600bps 8N1 or 1200bps 8N1 (depending on the mouse) |
| 21:18.03 | antgel | dpkg: aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet. |
| 21:18.25 | test | zinx: mine is white |
| 21:18.27 | goingtomoonbrb | xand: funny |
| 21:18.30 | test | like |
| 21:18.35 | test | a laboratory mice |
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| 21:18.40 | zinx | test: if you can cat /dev/ttyS* and get stuff when you move the mouse, you've got it right |
| 21:18.53 | zinx | test: how'd you get the wire in it? |
| 21:19.01 | antgel | !aol |
| 21:19.01 | dpkg | hmm... aol is America OnLine, a large ISP, beloved of people who don't know much about the Internet. |
| 21:19.45 | test | zinx: yep,iknowaboutthatcatstuff |
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| 21:19.53 | test | [sorry, wasted keyboard] |
| 21:20.07 | test | anyway, it doesn't showanything |
| 21:20.19 | antgel | goingtomoonbrb: that's a pretty bad move. i would be inclined to restore my most recent backup to save hassle |
| 21:20.47 | kerouac | Happy 4/20!!! |
| 21:20.52 | DavidProck1981 | ok not i notice every little bit the game freez just for a second |
| 21:20.55 | xand | kerouac: huh? |
| 21:20.56 | DavidProck1981 | now* |
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| 21:21.14 | test | some alice in wonderland stuff? |
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| 21:21.24 | xand | test: are you high? |
| 21:21.28 | xand | :P |
| 21:21.28 | test | some |
| 21:21.44 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 21:21.56 | test | anyway, plugged another Serial Mouse |
| 21:21.59 | goingtomoonbrb | antgel: Backup? What's that? :P |
| 21:22.03 | test | is darker |
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| 21:22.18 | test | goingtomoonbrb: pushups for your butt |
| 21:22.20 | antgel | goingtomoonbrb: it's in the sysadmin manual, page after chmod :) |
| 21:22.33 | goingtomoonbrb | At least KNOPPIX root has access to the locked down drive... I'll salvage all the important stuff and do a fresh install |
| 21:22.40 | goingtomoonbrb | antgel: I was kidding. |
| 21:22.55 | goingtomoonbrb | antgel: I'm too poor to backup anything, this PC was built out of spare parts |
| 21:23.10 | test | crap, doesn't work neither |
| 21:23.23 | xand | test: that means it does work |
| 21:23.35 | test | wellwell |
| 21:23.40 | test | doesn't work too<- |
| 21:23.48 | xand | "doesn't work either" |
| 21:23.52 | antgel | goingtomoonbrb: a fresh install doesn't have to be too painful with debian |
| 21:23.54 | test | i know! |
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| 21:24.00 | Dionix | how do i see a list of packages that are already installed (isn't it dpkg -i?) i used to run debian a few years ago and forgot how and --help isn't --helping |
| 21:24.03 | test | did A+ on logics, but now i'm wasted |
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| 21:24.15 | xand | test: right |
| 21:24.20 | antgel | Dionix: man dpkg, dpkg -l |
| 21:24.24 | Dionix | l |
| 21:24.26 | Dionix | not i |
| 21:24.26 | streuner | Dionix: dpkg -l, read man dpkg and man apt-get again |
| 21:24.35 | Dionix | thanks |
| 21:24.38 | Vasistha | Dionix: dpkg -l '*' or dpkg --show-packages or something like that |
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| 21:24.45 | test | andweed for the brakes |
| 21:24.51 | ruckerz | what's the easiest way to build a dependency list when making my own packages? |
| 21:24.55 | antgel | dpkg --show-packages? |
| 21:25.01 | ubd | hi how can i change the mouse themes? |
| 21:25.09 | xand | ubd: the what? |
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| 21:25.17 | antgel | ruckerz: well, you know what the deps are, don't you? |
| 21:25.20 | test | so... any idea what i can do with this mouse [to get it working...] |
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| 21:25.26 | streuner | the mouse cursor prolly |
| 21:25.29 | goingtomoonbrb | antgel: yeah... but I had done a lot of customization. Oh well. |
| 21:25.30 | mcgreg | does anyine know if there is a patch or a version of Sim City 300 for x86-64? |
| 21:25.36 | ubd | xand: mouse cursor icons |
| 21:25.47 | mark_s | this sucks, I throw the pc out of the window. I keep building and building a new kernel and it alwasy telling me, that it is waiting for the root file system. In menuconfig I build it into the kernel. |
| 21:25.54 | xand | ubd: using what? kde? gnome? |
| 21:25.59 | ubd | xfce |
| 21:26.00 | antgel | goingtomoonbrb: yeah, but all that is in /etc, no? |
| 21:26.18 | Bombo | hmmm is it possible to UNLOAD the ipv6 module? $ modprobe -r ipv6 -> FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use. |
| 21:26.23 | antgel | mark_s: do you really need to build a kernel in this day and age? |
| 21:26.32 | antgel | Bombo: not if it's in use :) |
| 21:26.34 | ruckerz | antgel: i do, but do i nee dto specify every dependency? or if i specify GNU make, all the build-essentials (gcc, etc) will be included? |
| 21:26.39 | Bombo | ipv6 220736 22 |
| 21:26.50 | antgel | ruckerz: specify build-essential |
| 21:26.58 | Bombo | antgel: what if i donot want to use it... |
| 21:26.58 | chops | mark_s: Vanilla kernel or Debian? Are you building by hand or using kernel-package? |
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| 21:27.26 | ruckerz | antgel: ahh ok .. with no version requirements? |
| 21:27.32 | Bombo | antgel: lsmod doesnt say who is using it |
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| 21:27.46 | antgel | Bombo: i wouldn't worry about it - are you running a system with 32K RAM? :) |
| 21:27.49 | Bombo | i actually dont use ipv6 at all i just got it as a module |
| 21:28.08 | antgel | ruckerz: indeed |
| 21:28.14 | Bombo | antgel: no no i got a modern computer with 64mb ram (p100) |
| 21:28.15 | mark_s | antgel: I use a 3ware kontroller which is supported starting 2.6.19. so I downloaded from kernel.org the 2.6.20-7 and used the .config from etch (I do this the first time) |
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| 21:28.29 | xand | Bombo: that's modern? :) |
| 21:28.32 | Bombo | antgel: ;) |
| 21:28.35 | Bombo | xand: ;) |
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| 21:29.22 | antgel | mark_s: what you could do is delete your .config, run make oldconfig, make menuconfig, then make sure you add --initrd in your make-kpkg line, then the debian defaults will work |
| 21:29.25 | Bombo | well i read in man pppd that Note that "for the IPv6 protocol, the MTU must be at least 1280." |
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| 21:30.10 | Bombo | and when i tcpdump -i eth1 i get "23:29:51.152690 PPPoE [ses 0x162] IP truncated-ip - 1280 bytes missing!" mostly |
| 21:30.10 | ubd | how can i enter sound properties - the alsa window to set volumes of different channels? |
| 21:30.12 | mark_s | antgel: I do it. I used the --initrd |
| 21:30.21 | fisxoj | compiz won't install in sid, but the one dependency error seems silly |
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| 21:30.26 | Bombo | so i thought it could have to do with the ipv6 module |
| 21:30.50 | antgel | mark_s: that sucks |
| 21:31.08 | Bombo | is there a way to deactivate ipv6 somehow? like a /proc/ thing? |
| 21:31.12 | antgel | Bombo: but you're not using ip6 |
| 21:31.23 | xand | Bombo: you can blacklist modules if you really want |
| 21:31.28 | HYPOCRISY | sup? |
| 21:31.35 | xand | Bombo: or you could just ignore it |
| 21:31.40 | xand | HYPOCRISY: already did thanks |
| 21:32.23 | antgel | mark_s: it says it's /waiting/ for the root file system? is that the exact error? |
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| 21:33.29 | Bombo | antgel: but some modules obviously do use it.. i'm not sure if that matters |
| 21:33.52 | spyro_boy | Where can I get a log of all the daemons and such that initiated on boot? |
| 21:34.10 | antgel | Bombo: doubt it |
| 21:34.13 | Bombo | xand: ok but it was my last guess for the truncated-ip problem |
| 21:34.23 | antgel | spyro_boy: turn on bootlog |
| 21:34.39 | spyro_boy | wait |
| 21:34.39 | spyro_boy | nevermind |
| 21:35.06 | spyro_boy | antgel, oh |
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| 21:35.27 | spyro_boy | thanks |
| 21:35.31 | ubd | how can i search for files? |
| 21:35.33 | spyro_boy | I'll google from here |
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| 21:36.08 | antgel | !tell spyro_boy about bootlog |
| 21:36.20 | spyro_boy | Or that. |
| 21:36.35 | LV-426 | ubd, find / -iname <name u're lookin> |
| 21:36.37 | spyro_boy | thanks aain |
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| 21:37.42 | ubd | LV-426: it doesnt work |
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| 21:40.59 | LV-426 | ubd, eg find / -name "*.deb" |
| 21:41.24 | vin` | ubd: or try locate foo |
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| 21:41.36 | ubd | allright thanks done |
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| 21:41.59 | ubd | lemme ask another question. wheres the volume controls? |
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| 21:42.42 | schme | the what? |
| 21:42.50 | ubd | volume control? |
| 21:43.14 | ubd | the windows apperars when you click on little speaker icon on the panel? |
| 21:43.15 | schme | Depends on what software you use to control the volume. |
| 21:43.18 | sgeigerbot | ubd: aumix works. if you are using gnome or kde there are apps specific to those. |
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| 21:44.24 | ubd-xfce | i want to mute aux in and phone channels... |
| 21:44.43 | schme | xfce4-mixer maybe? |
| 21:44.52 | schme | This is xfce4-mixer, a volume control application for the Xfce Desktop Environment. This software package contains both a volume control plugin for the Xfce Panel and a standalone mixer application. |
| 21:44.57 | ubd-xfce | wow thanks!! |
| 21:45.11 | schme | I googled for xfce +volume control |
| 21:45.28 | ubd-xfce | i knew that ;) |
| 21:45.38 | schme | oh. |
| 21:45.46 | schme | Is it not working? |
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| 21:46.00 | ubd-xfce | it is t is thank you |
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| 21:46.09 | schme | np! |
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| 21:47.41 | ubd-xfce | "find / -iname *theme*" gives some output. i know theres /usr/themes but find doesnt show that |
| 21:47.45 | wolferine | anyone good with proftpd, I cannot share an nfs share within my root, someone able to help? |
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| 21:50.37 | LV-426 | ubd-xfce, "*theme*" al fin |
| 21:50.46 | amortvigil | Hey ive set an dns server it works well but when i lookup the ns1 it gives me the wrong ips |
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| 21:53.25 | GhostlyDeath | After I hibernated, /init isn't found |
| 21:53.49 | GhostlyDeath | I did init=/sbin/init and that didn't work either |
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| 21:57.12 | GhostlyDeath | How do I restore a system with messed up bootstuff |
| 21:57.28 | antgel | GhostlyDeath: did your hibernate ever work properly? |
| 21:57.30 | valdyn | GhostlyDeath: you restore from backup |
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| 21:57.51 | alecssys | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) ?? |
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| 21:57.53 | amortvigil | Hey ive set an dns server it works well but when i lookup the ns1 it gives me the wrong ips wich file could be wrong? |
| 21:58.09 | valdyn | alecssys: is that all output you get? |
| 21:58.18 | GhostlyDeath | antgel: hibernating worked |
| 21:58.19 | vostorga | amortvigil, wait while the other dns refresh the ip |
| 21:58.25 | GhostlyDeath | but it won't boot |
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| 21:59.10 | alecssys | valdyn: no .. it's a little bigger ... but i thought that's the most important |
| 21:59.10 | GhostlyDeath | It can't find /init or anything |
| 21:59.27 | valdyn | !error |
| 21:59.27 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 21:59.30 | valdyn | !errors |
| 21:59.31 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 21:59.35 | alecssys | subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 |
| 21:59.35 | alecssys | and this one |
| 21:59.38 | amortvigil | vostorga even when it does link the correct page? |
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| 22:00.22 | obsethryl | wb oKtosiTe |
| 22:00.28 | alecssys | it's kinda big to paste in here |
| 22:00.36 | xand | !paste |
| 22:00.36 | valdyn | !paste |
| 22:00.37 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 22:01.26 | alecssys | http://paste.debian.net/26136 |
| 22:02.19 | valdyn | alecssys: ask your vendor |
| 22:02.55 | clars | if I: apt-get install phpgroupware* -do I thet get all the packets? |
| 22:03.10 | valdyn | clars: why don't you try? |
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| 22:03.24 | clars | valdyn, yes |
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| 22:09.07 | Ankman | umm, can one user reattach is screen session of one other user? |
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| 22:09.28 | Ankman | i tried to get one as root from a normal user, won't work with -R or -r |
| 22:09.49 | chops | Ankman: "sudo su theuser screen -r foo"? |
| 22:10.32 | Ankman | logged in as root directly |
| 22:10.52 | Ankman | ah, sessionowner/screen.pid |
| 22:10.57 | Ankman | still throws an error |
| 22:11.08 | chops | Ankman: Very well then, "su theuser screen -r foo" |
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| 22:11.16 | Vasistha | Ankman: 'screen' is not particularly different from any other process in that regard. Users cannot generally take control of other users' processes |
| 22:11.47 | Ankman | hmm |
| 22:13.00 | Ankman | i get a message "(Private)" |
| 22:13.07 | Ankman | so there might some way |
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| 22:13.20 | mark_s | antgel: thx for your help. It doesn't work. I use a driver I build today. |
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| 22:13.31 | Ankman | screen -dr ankman/23137.ebayph |
| 22:13.31 | Ankman | There is a screen on: 23137.ebayph (Private) |
| 22:13.31 | Ankman | There is no screen to be attached matching 23137.ebayph. |
| 22:13.38 | Ankman | doing this as root |
| 22:13.49 | Ankman | while the user is "ankman" |
| 22:14.10 | Ankman | na, not really important anyway |
| 22:14.16 | Ankman | i am ankman anyway :-) |
| 22:14.17 | wols | Ankman: if you find a way to attach another users screen while you aren't root, you've found a very very serious flaw in Linux' security |
| 22:14.25 | wols | so I doubt you will be able to do it |
| 22:14.31 | Ankman | no, i am root! |
| 22:14.48 | wolferine | anyone good with proftpd, I cannot share an nfs share within my root, someone able to help? |
| 22:14.48 | wols | root can do everything by editing /proc/kcore if he so wishes |
| 22:14.56 | Vasistha | Ankman: if the screen belongs to ankman, su ankman and screen -r. If the screen belongs to root, su root, and screen -r. |
| 22:14.59 | Ankman | just for that purpose to see if i can take a user's screen session over |
| 22:15.09 | Ankman | ah, good idea |
| 22:15.12 | wols | Betzefer: do NOT message people unasked |
| 22:15.29 | Ankman | ty |
| 22:15.37 | Vasistha | wolferine: you are an nfs client, and you want to share those nfs resources via ftp? |
| 22:15.58 | wols | Betzefer: do not irc as root and then you can talk in the channel |
| 22:15.59 | wols | !root |
| 22:15.59 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 22:16.47 | wolferine | Vasistha, my proftpd is only allowing the person who connects to the FTP to view links, not dirs |
| 22:16.58 | wolferine | and since my nfs share is a dir, I cannot view it |
| 22:17.27 | Vasistha | good luck! |
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| 22:18.33 | Betzefer_ | can some help me ? |
| 22:18.52 | valdyn | !justask |
| 22:18.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:19.39 | Betzefer_ | i just installed debian 4 and i cant mount my 2 vfat partitions |
| 22:19.50 | Betzefer_ | not even as root |
| 22:20.04 | antgel | Betzefer_: what's the error? |
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| 22:20.21 | Betzefer_ | mount point ... |
| 22:20.43 | Betzefer_ | i tried editting the fstab |
| 22:21.01 | Betzefer_ | like adding /mnt/hda2 |
| 22:21.04 | antgel | Betzefer_: mount point what? if you give half-arsed info, you'll get half-arsed answers |
| 22:21.06 | markybob | betzeferthat's not an error message. give us *all* of the errors if you want help |
| 22:21.08 | Betzefer_ | and /media |
| 22:21.09 | coolzone | Hi all! I am trying to make a bootable cd image from debian using dfsbuild. during the operation I get this error from dfsbuild: [dfs/CRITICAL] Exception: /proc/mounts: createSymbolicLink: already exists (File exists), does anyone know what exactly this error means? |
| 22:21.40 | wols | !tell Betzefer about vfatrw |
| 22:22.01 | Betzefer_ | mount: mount point /media/hda2 does not exist |
| 22:22.25 | antgel | Betzefer_: what command are you typing to mount it |
| 22:22.31 | valdyn | Betzefer_: now what in god name could this error mean? |
| 22:22.32 | Betzefer_ | and that what i wrote |
| 22:22.36 | magical_trevsky | Betzefer_, mkdir /media/hda2 |
| 22:22.42 | Betzefer_ | mount /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 |
| 22:22.52 | markybob | wowie |
| 22:23.00 | LV-426 | wolferine, did u try sharing a regular dir (non nfs ) ? |
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| 22:23.14 | wolferine | just a file |
| 22:23.15 | Betzefer_ | cool |
| 22:23.19 | Betzefer_ | macigcal thanks |
| 22:23.21 | wolferine | and I couldnt view it |
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| 22:23.33 | amortvigil | i just created a server with ftp support (proftpd) how do i know the user and password? |
| 22:23.37 | wolferine | but I could view a link to a file and link to a dir |
| 22:23.42 | antgel | Betzefer_: ayn ba'yah |
| 22:23.53 | antgel | (no problem) |
| 22:23.58 | wolferine | but i cannot make a link (using ln) to the nfs share |
| 22:23.58 | maxamillion | uhmm... is debian.org ever going to get a face lift? |
| 22:24.02 | Betzefer_ | ata me israel ? |
| 22:24.09 | vostorga | amortvigil, the user and password is the same as the operative system |
| 22:24.17 | Betzefer_ | and another problem |
| 22:24.26 | antgel | Betzefer_: no, we'd better talk english, i live in london but might make aliyah soon |
| 22:24.26 | valdyn | maxamillion: if you make it |
| 22:24.34 | Betzefer_ | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 22:24.36 | Betzefer_ | cool man |
| 22:24.42 | Betzefer_ | come 2 israel my brother |
| 22:24.43 | LV-426 | ...i'd try to have the nfs mounted (using fstab) , then having proftpd share the mount point |
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| 22:24.46 | Betzefer_ | its the best |
| 22:24.51 | Betzefer_ | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 22:25.17 | valdyn | !tell Betzefer_ -about smart questions |
| 22:25.23 | valdyn | !tell Betzefer_ -about repeat |
| 22:25.39 | antgel | Betzefer_: when and where does this error happen? you need to give proper info as i said ^^ |
| 22:25.44 | wols | valdyn: lets just say it's early sunday. k? |
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| 22:25.54 | maxamillion | valdyn: lol ... i was just wondering, i just kinda think its nice how sites like gentoo.org are so geared towards community involvement ... which i think would be a good thing |
| 22:25.55 | valdyn | oo |
| 22:25.59 | Betzefer_ | i tried to turn on the volume and i get this error |
| 22:26.02 | Betzefer_ | : No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 22:26.09 | wolferine | i cannot do ln server:/home/user/ /home/FTP/share |
| 22:26.12 | magical_trevsky | Betzefer_, try running gst-register as root |
| 22:26.31 | wolferine | and I dont want to creat just a symbolic link, as i will not be able to view it |
| 22:27.24 | Betzefer_ | command not found |
| 22:27.33 | amortvigil | vostorga : you mean with operative system the account wich im useing now? |
| 22:27.38 | valdyn | maxamillion: i doubt the debian devs want to be like gentoo |
| 22:27.40 | antgel | Betzefer_: are you using gnome? |
| 22:27.44 | Betzefer_ | ya |
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| 22:27.54 | antgel | Betzefer_: dpkg -l gnome? |
| 22:28.02 | valdyn | maxamillion: seriously though, about noting in debian ever was or will be geared towards nice looks |
| 22:28.02 | vostorga | amortvigil, yes |
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| 22:28.12 | valdyn | maxamillion: devs dont seem to care |
| 22:28.31 | maxamillion | valdyn: not saying they do, or even that they should ... just thinking that maybe the debian.org site might want to be more pro-active about encouraging community involvement |
| 22:28.47 | vostorga | amortvigil, and not only your account, all acounts capable to login in your debian box |
| 22:28.50 | antgel | maxamillion: anyone can get involved in debian, no need to be a DD |
| 22:28.55 | valdyn | maxamillion: yes, i get your point, but debian does not care |
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| 22:29.02 | Betzefer_ | antgel what do u want 2 know ? |
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| 22:29.13 | maxamillion | valdyn: and yes ... i know, i've been staring at the same home page on debian.org for almost 8 years now ... just thought i would comment because i am bored and was surfing the net |
| 22:29.15 | antgel | Betzefer_: the output of that command |
| 22:29.19 | valdyn | maxamillion: huge part of debian does not really care about attracting the kind of users that a nice look attracts |
| 22:29.21 | antgel | !tell Betzefer_ about u |
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| 22:29.53 | antgel | maxamillion: actually, i think it has had a minor facelift. i'm sure your patches would be accepted :) |
| 22:30.04 | maxamillion | valdyn: understandable ... hell, i don't even care about a face lift as much as maybe a "community info" link |
| 22:30.10 | Dionix | when it says "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image" in the guide, where is the kernel_image because i see no file of that name or anything close |
| 22:30.22 | maxamillion | antgel: i'm no web devel ... just commenting out of boredom |
| 22:30.25 | valdyn | maxamillion: there's various 3rd party debian community sites |
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| 22:30.54 | maxamillion | antgel: but i a college student and as soon as i take my systems programming and operating systems courses in C i will be contributing |
| 22:31.02 | magical_trevsky | Betzefer_, http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/773fe76e156c1a6d/249052c0415d0e3c%23249052c0415d0e3c |
| 22:31.05 | maxamillion | valdyn: yeah, i'm a member of a few of them |
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| 22:31.26 | mark_s | Dionix: have you checked the parent directory |
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| 22:31.43 | Dionix | i'm in /usr/src/linux/ |
| 22:31.47 | Dionix | and there is nothing |
| 22:31.54 | antgel | maxamillion: C won't help you improve the website :) |
| 22:32.12 | Dionix | linux = ln -s linux-sources-2.6.18 or whatever |
| 22:32.27 | Betzefer_ | antgel |
| 22:32.32 | Betzefer_ | query please ? |
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| 22:32.33 | maxamillion | antgel: yeah, i know ... but it will help me devel ... which is more important ;) |
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| 22:32.36 | valdyn | debians site may not look nice, but its nicely handcrafted code ;) |
| 22:33.07 | maxamillion | valdyn: i think it looks nice ... just think it could use an extra link or two |
| 22:33.23 | mark_s | Dionix: I made my first kernel today. at least I tried :-). The deb file was in the parent directory from the source |
| 22:33.30 | antgel | Betzefer_: just ask. see magical_trevsky's link, is your user in the audio group? |
| 22:33.32 | Betzefer_ | i tried to turn on the volume and i get this error |
| 22:33.36 | Betzefer_ | : No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 22:33.39 | maxamillion | valdyn: i guess my original mention of a "face lift" was the wrong term |
| 22:33.46 | Betzefer_ | nope |
| 22:33.57 | Dionix | mark_s: yeah i need to compile in order to get the deb file i'm not there yet |
| 22:34.08 | maxamillion | valdyn: more like "an addition of content" ... or something ... i dunno, i need sleep .. i'm just babbling through my keyboard at this point |
| 22:34.13 | Betzefer_ | why i cant change it to alsa ? |
| 22:34.15 | antgel | Betzefer_: that's what you need then. |
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| 22:34.39 | Betzefer_ | alsa ? |
| 22:34.42 | Betzefer_ | i have it |
| 22:34.48 | Betzefer_ | i have alsamixer |
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| 22:35.00 | antgel | Betzefer_: no, the audio group. if you're not in the audio group, audio won't work |
| 22:35.01 | valdyn | maxamillion: get in touch with the site devs and ask them to add whatever |
| 22:35.31 | maxamillion | valdyn: heh ... pro-active, i like it ... think i will do that :) |
| 22:36.11 | Betzefer_ | where can i add myself ? |
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| 22:36.13 | iturk | hi there friends i am trying to create a usb pen bootable with etch anygood link to follow ? |
| 22:36.14 | mark_s | Dionix: so what are you exactly looking for? |
| 22:36.40 | iturk | the pen has only 128MB |
| 22:36.47 | anabain_ | anybody knows what is ht://Dig? It wants to install when upgrading my unstable... |
| 22:37.12 | cafuego | anabain_: html search engine |
| 22:37.40 | anabain_ | cafuego, any practical use case, please? |
| 22:37.59 | cafuego | anabain_: indexing local html documentation so you can search it |
| 22:38.06 | Betzefer_ | im in the audio group |
| 22:38.10 | Betzefer_ | what now ? |
| 22:38.15 | anabain_ | ah, thanks, cafuego |
| 22:38.18 | maxamillion | iturk: i can't promise much on a pen that small ... but lemme go find a link |
| 22:38.20 | Betzefer_ | log out ? |
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| 22:38.24 | antgel | Betzefer_: yep and in again |
| 22:38.28 | Betzefer_ | k |
| 22:39.32 | iturk | maxamillion: i friend told me he could put in a 64 MB one but he forget to give me the link |
| 22:39.42 | maxamillion | iturk: the link is for sarge, but i would assume it will still apply for etch and worst case scenario is you lose an hour or less of your life |
| 22:39.47 | maxamillion | iturk: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 22:40.32 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:40.55 | Ankman | hey |
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| 22:45.11 | Averell | hi, i want to upgrade, it tells me to apt-get -f install to fix cause of dependencies, but that will remove 100s of packages and break my system apparently. i presume because of the new release, how do i fix? |
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| 22:46.34 | markybob | Averell: you should follow the install guide and use aptitude instead like it says |
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| 22:47.04 | Averell | happy to :) any link? |
| 22:47.18 | antgel | Averell: /topic ? |
| 22:47.44 | Averell | ah, i see. thanks |
| 22:48.58 | ubd | i installed a mouse theme to ~/.icons and selected it via mouse settings of xfce. now theme activates on some programs like firefox but not in others and the desktop. why this could be? |
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| 22:49.43 | antgel | Averell: but sarge->etch |
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| 22:51.33 | Averell | my sources list uses only unstable tags, not the names. is that the correct one then? i don't know which is called what. |
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| 22:52.07 | antgel | Averell: post your sources.list to a pastebin |
| 22:53.01 | Averell | http://pastebot.nd.edu/2540 |
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| 22:53.25 | Averell | i changed etch to lenny in the commented lines, but shouldn't make a difference i suppose. |
| 22:53.41 | crazy_penguin | hello there |
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| 22:54.26 | amortvigil | if i install proftpd do i have to choze standalone or inet? |
| 22:54.28 | antgel | Averell: you've been using unstable, not etch. your sources.list is a mess |
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| 22:54.46 | antgel | amortvigil: you choose whatever you want |
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| 22:54.53 | crazy_penguin | how can i pass the authentication part of cupsd in browser. i used the lppasswd to generate new passwords but nevertheless i can't authenticate. any ideea how to fix this? |
| 22:55.13 | antgel | crazy_penguin: did this ever work for you? |
| 22:55.23 | crazy_penguin | no |
| 22:55.32 | amortvigil | antgel what is it for? |
| 22:55.33 | crazy_penguin | this is my first setup with cups |
| 22:55.36 | antgel | crazy_penguin: also, have you turned on debug logging in cups? can you login as root? |
| 22:55.36 | Averell | heh, i know. how do i upgrade to the new unstable then, or fix it so apt won't screw everything up anyway? |
| 22:55.37 | crazy_penguin | antgel |
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| 22:55.41 | crazy_penguin | no |
| 22:55.45 | crazy_penguin | that is the problem |
| 22:55.51 | antgel | !tell Averell about unstable |
| 22:55.54 | crazy_penguin | i can't login as root |
| 22:55.56 | crazy_penguin | or user |
| 22:55.56 | valdyn | Averell: unstable is always unstable, there's no 'new' |
| 22:56.17 | Dionix | argh |
| 22:56.22 | crazy_penguin | i tinkered with the config file but that didn't help either |
| 22:56.24 | antgel | Averell: if you use unstable, you are expected to know what you are doing |
| 22:56.28 | Dionix | there is no kernel_image |
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| 22:56.32 | antgel | crazy_penguin: debug log? |
| 22:56.37 | crazy_penguin | one sec |
| 22:56.37 | Dionix | how the hell do i make it so there is a kernel_image |
| 22:56.44 | crazy_penguin | i will take a look |
| 22:56.50 | Averell | so i'm screwed? |
| 22:56.55 | KeepW_ | can someone givme a repository to install php4-mysqli ?? |
| 22:57.05 | antgel | crazy_penguin: debug log is not on by default, turn it on and restart cups |
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| 22:58.08 | crazy_penguin | antgel: in my case is on |
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| 22:58.27 | crazy_penguin | i was thinking about setting it on to be sure for a change that everything is working |
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| 22:59.05 | Averell | if it's not supported here, where can i go for help? |
| 22:59.05 | Dionix | ok |
| 22:59.10 | Dionix | so i do make menuconfig |
| 22:59.14 | Dionix | then i do make-kpkg clean |
| 22:59.27 | Dionix | and then i'm supposed to do fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 22:59.31 | Dionix | but there is no kernel image |
| 22:59.44 | antgel | Averell: you got important data on the box? just back it up and install stable |
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| 23:00.02 | Averell | of course, this installation is 3 years old |
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| 23:00.12 | crazy_penguin | antgel: in which log do i have to look. the error log or the access log? |
| 23:00.26 | antgel | crazy_penguin: whichever one moves when you try to login |
| 23:00.39 | crazy_penguin | ok |
| 23:00.41 | crazy_penguin | one sec |
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| 23:01.28 | cwheeler | can I downgrade debian by changing sources.list? |
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| 23:01.54 | markit | hi, I'm installing debian stable on a new pc. I've choose it to create partition and LVM. It proposes a partition schema, but you can't change partition dimension.. is it normal or I can't find the right way? |
| 23:02.27 | antgel | cwheeler: not supported but possible if you know what you're doing, and a lot of other circumstances are true |
| 23:03.01 | cwheeler | i didn't change sources.list when etch became stable and now the nvidia drivers don't work |
| 23:03.01 | antgel | Dionix: it's called linux-image now, ls -lrt /usr/src |
| 23:03.07 | cwheeler | so I assume that's why |
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| 23:03.51 | cwheeler | any ideas on fixing this? |
| 23:03.59 | markit | another problem is that it finds dhcp that I'm using for ltsp and thinks it can go to internet with that... hope I canmanually tell it that is wrong later :( |
| 23:04.06 | crazy_penguin | antgel: it complains about pam authentication failure |
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| 23:04.34 | antgel | crazy_penguin: so it's trying to login at least. i would strongly check that you have the right password. also check auth.log |
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| 23:05.09 | crazy_penguin | antgel: i have the right password i set it myself 5 minutes ago(again) |
| 23:05.13 | antgel | cwheeler: so you upgraded testing past etch release? |
| 23:05.18 | crazy_penguin | but i will take a look at auth.log |
| 23:05.22 | bzed | markit: these are both options you should be able to change, in the worse case just reboot and start the installer in the expert mode, then you can jsut do what you liek to do |
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| 23:06.24 | cwheeler | antgel yes |
| 23:06.30 | crazy_penguin | antgel: at least is clear that it has something to do with the pam authetication module |
| 23:06.37 | cwheeler | I want to revert to etch release |
| 23:06.43 | crazy_penguin | antgel: same error in auth.log |
| 23:07.13 | antgel | crazy_penguin: what are you using to set the password? |
| 23:07.30 | crazy_penguin | antgel: for cupsd? |
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| 23:07.37 | crazy_penguin | the lppasswd utility |
| 23:07.46 | petemc | ot - any europeans know which airport sleezyjet flys out of france? |
| 23:08.13 | antgel | crazy_penguin: afaik it just uses the normal root password |
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| 23:08.27 | crazy_penguin | antgel: i tried also that |
| 23:08.29 | crazy_penguin | no change |
| 23:08.30 | antgel | petemc: dare i suggest their website? |
| 23:08.57 | petemc | you may not |
| 23:08.58 | crazy_penguin | that's why i'm fresh out of ideeas |
| 23:09.03 | enouf | cwheeler: just build the module against the newer kernel |
| 23:09.13 | antgel | crazy_penguin: i would delete the cups passwd file and restart cups, make sure you know what the normal root password is, then try that |
| 23:09.23 | crazy_penguin | k |
| 23:09.46 | cwheeler | enoul, I did, it doesn't work for some reason i can't determine |
| 23:10.11 | Acu | guys I wonder what is best choice Debian PHP Appache Postgresql or Debian AOLServer Tcl Postgres ? |
| 23:10.16 | enouf | noticed a long list of cups fixes in apt-listchanges not too long ago |
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| 23:11.01 | obsethryl | wow guys i like every bit of the 4.0 release, from the flawless to me installer to the overall use and kde support |
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| 23:11.14 | stoned | hi |
| 23:11.17 | antgel | obsethryl: tell it to #debian-devel! |
| 23:11.18 | obsethryl | thanks for doing this :) i decided to switch back after , well quite some time :D |
| 23:11.21 | pingouin | where can i find informations about Debian+bluetooth ? |
| 23:11.36 | stoned | !bluetooth |
| 23:11.36 | dpkg | well, bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 23:11.45 | crazy_penguin | antgel: well no success :( |
| 23:11.58 | crazy_penguin | antgel: some other saving ideea? |
| 23:12.07 | pingouin | ok stoned , thanks |
| 23:12.24 | stoned | pingouin I don't/have never used bluetooth |
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| 23:13.10 | antgel | crazy_penguin: not really. it's always just worked for me. i've had lots of problems with cups over the years, but auth was never one. care to post your cupsd.conf to pastebin? |
| 23:13.16 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.16 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.23 | obsethryl | antgel: just did |
| 23:13.33 | crazy_penguin | it's the default cupsd.conf |
| 23:13.40 | Vasistha | Betzefer: does you laptop have an rca video output? |
| 23:13.40 | Guerin | Betzefer: using the appropriate plug? |
| 23:13.41 | obsethryl | anyway still lotta work left to do, i am half way through the things i have to configure |
| 23:13.47 | antgel | Betzefer: plug it in |
| 23:13.52 | crazy_penguin | i gave up the custom version |
| 23:14.00 | crazy_penguin | but i will put in on |
| 23:14.05 | Betzefer | no need for a driver ? |
| 23:14.07 | Betzefer | ot shit ? |
| 23:14.12 | Betzefer | or* |
| 23:14.31 | pingouin | stoned: me neither, just have a phone that have bluetooth, want to check wich devices buy to make it run/communicate with my Etch |
| 23:14.34 | Vasistha | Betzefer: probably depends on your card, but why don't you try it and see what happens? |
| 23:14.48 | antgel | Betzefer: who knows? try it. read the #debian faq in the topic. if you keep being vague, some people may get annoyed |
| 23:14.59 | antgel | pingouin: just a bluetooth usb dongle |
| 23:15.02 | Betzefer | ya your right |
| 23:15.34 | pingouin | antgel: yep, but...i have to choose it carefully i guess, to be sure its run with linux/debian |
| 23:15.57 | antgel | pingouin: i wouldn't worry too much. i got a cheapo no-name one, and the chipset was recognised |
| 23:16.10 | pingouin | antgel: lucky guy ;) |
| 23:16.13 | antgel | but you are right to think about it |
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| 23:16.34 | antgel | what i'm trying to say is that i don't think there are many chipset types |
| 23:16.40 | crazy_penguin | antgel: here it is http://pastebin.ca/450581 |
| 23:16.54 | cwheeler | antgel any advice on getting back to etch release? |
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| 23:16.59 | antgel | petemc: nice, marseilles, paris (both) |
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| 23:17.06 | pingouin | antgel: i prefer to check a list of supported devices, to have some brand/references to bring to the store, thanks for the advices |
| 23:17.10 | antgel | cwheeler: only what i said ^^ |
| 23:17.33 | antgel | pingouin: if in .uk, i confirm the ebuyer.com cheap one is fine |
| 23:18.01 | antgel | petemc: maybe others. list not sorted by country |
| 23:19.36 | antgel | crazy_penguin: dpkg -l cupsys? |
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| 23:21.04 | ubd | can u use apt get upgrade to kde desktop? |
| 23:21.09 | mark_s | with modprobe 3w-9xxx I can load a driver for my raid controller. If I restart the module doesn't get loaded. what do I have to do? |
| 23:21.10 | antgel | !u |
| 23:21.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:21.34 | ubd | ^^ |
| 23:21.37 | Vasistha | ubd: yes, *you* can, although you more likely want apt-get install |
| 23:21.39 | antgel | ubd: do you mean to install the kde desktop? |
| 23:21.58 | antgel | mark_s: add it to /etc/modules |
| 23:22.04 | ubd | you know i want my debian as if installed by kde cd |
| 23:22.14 | mark_s | antgel: thx |
| 23:22.15 | ubd | i use xfce |
| 23:22.24 | antgel | !tell mark_s about thx |
| 23:22.27 | ubd | i wnat it removed |
| 23:22.37 | antgel | ubd: what do you mean kde cd? |
| 23:22.54 | ubd | debian that has kde as default de |
| 23:23.06 | antgel | ubd: aptitude install kde |
| 23:23.18 | antgel | ubd: i suggest you read some debian documentation |
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| 23:23.42 | Vasistha | ubd: well, do you want the full kde suite of apps? Also, there's no need to remove xfce just yet; try kde and see how you like it, and if you get accustomed to it, then you can remove xfce. You probably have plenty of hard drive space |
| 23:24.09 | ubd | yes but im angry to xfce you know. |
| 23:24.47 | ubd | lets install kde first. |
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| 23:24.57 | ubd | 500megabytes :( |
| 23:25.06 | antgel | you wanted it |
| 23:25.17 | Vasistha | ubd: yeah, just install kde first -- if you get even angrier at xfce, you might want to go back ;-) it's possible to install a subset of kde, rather than the whole thing |
| 23:25.55 | crazy_penguin | antgel: succes |
| 23:25.55 | ubd | yes i dont think i need 500 megabytes of kde. |
| 23:26.04 | antgel | crazy_penguin: great |
| 23:26.16 | ubd | ill go for kde base. whatever it is |
| 23:26.36 | antgel | ubd: is your install currently up to date? it might be upgrading some packages |
| 23:26.44 | crazy_penguin | antgel: i took out the authentication directives (it's only a temporary hack until i figure it out cause the printer is a net printer) |
| 23:26.47 | Vasistha | ubd: yeah, that's a better bet |
| 23:26.53 | crazy_penguin | antgel: thx for you kind help |
| 23:26.55 | crazy_penguin | :) |
| 23:27.05 | antgel | !tell crazy_penguin about thx |
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| 23:27.11 | antgel | now /that's/ help :) |
| 23:27.18 | DocPlatypus | teehee |
| 23:27.37 | ubd | i think i have up to date antgel |
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| 23:27.55 | Vasistha | ubd: apt-get update |
| 23:27.56 | aronofsky | hi |
| 23:27.58 | antgel | seriously, i pop in for the first time in months, and thx has become Incorrect Abbreviation Of The Day |
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| 23:27.58 | black_13 | how do i fix the following http://rafb.net/p/9XT09913.html |
| 23:28.00 | crazy_penguin | ok antgel :P |
| 23:28.11 | antgel | crazy_penguin: you mean /okay/ |
| 23:28.12 | crazy_penguin | antgel: Thanks for your kind help |
| 23:28.16 | antgel | just kidding of course |
| 23:28.18 | crazy_penguin | yes |
| 23:28.19 | aronofsky | anyone know appriximatively when icedove will be available in 2.0 ? |
| 23:28.20 | antgel | pleasure |
| 23:28.22 | crazy_penguin | i mean okay |
| 23:28.33 | aronofsky | or where I can get info about it ? |
| 23:28.34 | calmar | hi all, what is the name of the 'new' music ripping software again? on debian? |
| 23:28.44 | antgel | aronofsky: within debian? |
| 23:28.47 | Vasistha | aronofsky: are you using etch, lenny, sid? It will never be available in etch. |
| 23:28.59 | ubd | i now installing kde base and after that i will install kdm so everything will be ok right? |
| 23:29.06 | aronofsky | AngusRF, Vasistha , yeah within debian , im on testing |
| 23:29.08 | antgel | ubd: you don't /need/ kdm |
| 23:29.24 | ubd | i dont have a display manager that why |
| 23:29.24 | antgel | aronofsky: is it released from mozilla yet? |
| 23:29.34 | aronofsky | antgel, yes it is |
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| 23:29.39 | antgel | ubd: i'm just saying you don't /need/ it |
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| 23:29.52 | Vasistha | aronofsky: well, I'm going to guess it's not in unstable yet; may not even be in experimental. Once it gets into unstable, it'll be at least 10 days before it goes to testing |
| 23:29.59 | ubd | antgel: ok then i wont get it |
| 23:30.03 | antgel | aronofsky: then, it should appear in testing some time after it enters unstable :) see packages.qa.debian.org |
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| 23:31.05 | Vasistha | ubd: if you decide you like kde, after a couple weeks, then you might change to kdm at that time, and perhaps remove xfce also. |
| 23:31.29 | ubd | i dont have a display mager. i uninstalled gdm |
| 23:31.37 | aronofsky | Vasistha, antgel , real question is when will it appear in exp or unstable, no idea where I can get info about that ? |
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| 23:32.24 | Vasistha | aronofsky: hard to say, but it's a populat package, so it probably won't be more than a few weeks. I'm going to guess that the place to look would be on one of the debian developer/maintainer mailing lists |
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| 23:32.41 | antgel | aronofsky: you could email the maintainer if you think it's that likely to be missed :) http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/icedove.html |
| 23:32.44 | dvs | aronofsky: when it's ready |
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| 23:34.00 | Vasistha | ubd: you uninstalled gdm? Well, then, you'll want to install kdm (if xdm is not already installed) |
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| 23:36.16 | ubd | ok Vasistha |
| 23:37.08 | ubd | btw how can i be sure if graphic drivers are ok? i did nothing about graphic drivers |
| 23:38.01 | Vasistha | ubd: if they weren't giving you trouble before, they're probably still fine. If you're not doing anything heavy, like 3d rendering or lots of media, then the default drivers will probably work fine for you. |
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| 23:39.27 | ubd | Vasistha: theres a 3d application that shows fps. do you know whats it |
| 23:39.37 | mark_s | when I start my system (etch amd 64) it alwas stops at the same point. fsck cannot check the raid on sdb1 during boot. if I check it manualy there are no problems. |
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| 23:40.00 | Vasistha | ubd: no |
| 23:40.12 | antgel | ubd: glxgears |
| 23:40.30 | Vasistha | troubled: heh, I first parsed that as "you singing tribal music" as if you were dancing to my singing ;-) |
| 23:40.41 | troubled | Vasistha :) |
| 23:40.53 | troubled | just livin up to my nick, ignore me hehe |
| 23:41.03 | troubled | evenin' |
| 23:41.18 | ubd | ty |
| 23:41.22 | mark_s | in fstab I mount the device with /dev/sdb1 /daten ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 23:41.59 | ubd | mke2fs -c -c /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:42.00 | troubled | Vasistha: fyi, I was picturing the dance howy mandel did in one of his stand up shows :) |
| 23:42.17 | Vasistha | mark_s: as a test, why don't you change that last '2' to a '0' and see if you can boot the system. (That will disable the on-boot fsck, not a good idea in general, but as a test to make sure you can boot) |
| 23:42.18 | antgel | mark_s: don't do that |
| 23:42.37 | troubled | anyone who seen that particular show im sure would have giggled had they known what I was thinking at the time :) |
| 23:42.41 | mark_s | antgel: why? |
| 23:42.48 | ubd | its format |
| 23:42.50 | ubd | dont |
| 23:42.51 | antgel | mark_s: do you know what it does? |
| 23:43.10 | mark_s | Vasista: I did that and it is working |
| 23:43.22 | troubled | simonrvn: *slap* |
| 23:43.25 | Vasistha | mark_s: ...and now you'd like to get the fsck working on boot? |
| 23:43.27 | antgel | ubd: please don't give people destructive "advice". ops will take very seriously |
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| 23:43.52 | mark_s | Vasistha: yes |
| 23:43.54 | ubd | all right antgel. |
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| 23:44.13 | Vasistha | ubd: yes -- some people who come in here really do not know what 'rm -rf /' would do to their system. "Joking" about something like that can hose someone's system :P |
| 23:44.20 | troubled | antgel: like echo Y | format c:? |
| 23:44.58 | troubled | (note this use of an out of date command out of respect :) |
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| 23:45.32 | antgel | mark_s: you could definitely do with /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 23:45.33 | ubd | lets see whats rm -rf |
| 23:45.40 | troubled | heh |
| 23:45.45 | ubd | nothing happened |
| 23:45.56 | amortvigil | is it normal for proftpd to be unaccible from the inet? |
| 23:45.59 | troubled | tbh, if you made it this far (on irc) then you probably know better :) |
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| 23:46.21 | mark_s | antgel: ok |
| 23:46.24 | antgel | troubled: not always. i was once here during an rm -rf / incident. it was not nice |
| 23:46.34 | markybob | amortvigil: it's normal for proftpd to be retarded. that's why every linux site (kernel.org, opensuse.org, debian.org) out there uses vsftpd instead |
| 23:46.36 | ubd | oh i forget the "/" after rm -rf |
| 23:46.40 | troubled | antgel: probably just testing your gullability :) |
| 23:46.52 | antgel | mark_s: notably lesson 6 |
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| 23:47.07 | antgel | markybob: what a load of hooey |
| 23:47.27 | markybob | antgel: are you claiming that those sites dont use vsftpd? |
| 23:47.43 | antgel | amortvigil: no, it should be as accessible as any other ftp daemon |
| 23:47.46 | antgel | markybob: no |
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| 23:48.18 | markybob | antgel: just felt like being a dick and show your idiocy by getting involved, then? |
| 23:48.30 | amortvigil | antgel : i still have no acces |
| 23:48.32 | antgel | markybob: no, please don't abuse me |
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| 23:48.46 | markybob | aww |
| 23:49.16 | antgel | amortvigil: can you access it from inside your network? |
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| 23:49.21 | amortvigil | yes |
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| 23:49.43 | Vasistha | amortvigil: have you checked your firewall to make sure the incoming port is open? |
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| 23:49.47 | antgel | amortvigil: then it's possibly not a proftpd problem, more likely a firewall issue |
| 23:50.22 | amortvigil | ok |
| 23:50.27 | mark_s | angel: I solved it. With the UUID entry in fstab the system doesn't stop. Thanks :) |
| 23:51.20 | em-dash | is there any way to use python (2.4.4 from etch) with subversion (1.4.2 from sarge-backports) and find a compatible version of python-subversion? |
| 23:52.08 | em-dash | I know that's a bit specific, but I'm really hoping, here :) |
| 23:52.17 | Vasistha | antgel: so, was anything salvaged after that rm incident? Was the offending advisor banned? |
| 23:52.18 | antgel | em-dash: i don't want to state the obvious, but why not use svn from etch which is 1.4.2 anyway? |
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| 23:52.22 | Nemoder | em-dash: aren't all those available in etch? |
| 23:53.17 | em-dash | I had to partially back down from etch because mod_authnz_ldap in apache2.2 doesn't talk to my AD ldap server, so I fell back to apache2.0.54 from sarge, but because of that, my config is mostly etch and a little sarge |
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| 23:53.39 | ubd | kde is running cool! |
| 23:53.52 | em-dash | and now I'm trying to get the rest of my packages playing nicely together |
| 23:54.03 | ubd | how will i get rid of xfce and unused gnome libs? |
| 23:54.04 | antgel | Vasistha: i don't think he had any useful data on the box - he was rather new to linux as you may imagine. think there was a ban. what really gets me is the bad mushroom - i.e. he goes telling everyone he knows that linux is shit and #debian is full of tossers |
| 23:54.19 | maddash | geez it's that ubd guy again |
| 23:54.25 | ubd | hello |
| 23:54.34 | antgel | em-dash: mixing binaries between distros can be hairy. why not use sarge and build the etch backports you need? |
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| 23:55.12 | em-dash | antgel: well, I stupidly already did a dist-upgrade to etch, so I'm not sure I can feasibly roll back to sarge (never tried, don't know how...) |
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| 23:55.26 | antgel | em-dash: indeed. what's the nature of the apache bug? |
| 23:55.32 | antgel | is there a patch? |
| 23:55.35 | brendonjt | hi ya all |
| 23:55.37 | em-dash | I didn't find one |
| 23:55.47 | em-dash | I found other reports of the same issue, but no discussion of a solution |
| 23:56.37 | antgel | em-dash: you're right, downgrades aren't supported. and etch / sarge / sarge-backport systems definitely aren't. where do sarge backports come in that you can't use etch? |
| 23:56.46 | brendonjt | ok linux gurus, got a question, I have a palm IIIx pda is there anyway to sync my email with evolution with my pda |
| 23:56.56 | brendonjt | or is that just a windows thing |
| 23:57.14 | maddash | brendonjt: jpilot |
| 23:57.15 | antgel | brendonjt: if jpilot doesn't do it, then i doubt it |
| 23:57.18 | em-dash | antgel: well, since I'm running apache out of sarge, I keep running into etch packages that want to push me into apache2.2 |
| 23:58.05 | antgel | em-dash: what a mess. i would firstly, try and track the bug down on apache lists, irc, whatever. it's much easier to apply a patch to one etch package |
| 23:58.45 | ubd | how can i completely romove xfce meta package |
| 23:58.45 | em-dash | I should just pin my apache 2.0.54 @ 1001 to stop that, but what I really need is a combination of python, subversion and python-subversion compatible with apache2.0.54 |
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| 23:58.45 | Nemoder | em-dash: it sounds like you might do better to remove apache and compile your own from the version you need |
| 23:58.45 | em-dash | why not do a build from the source package of python-subversion |
| 23:58.45 | markit | I'm setting up a pc that acts (also) as samba fileserver... do you usually put all the shared data in something like /smbshare ? do you create a separate partition for it? any tips? |
| 23:58.45 | antgel | em-dash: or a working apache2.2 auth module |
| 23:58.49 | Vasistha | ubd: I'd really recommend that you learn to use the aptitude front-end. It will give you a wonderful view into what is going on with your packages, although it is a little awkward to learn at first. |
| 23:58.52 | brendonjt | antgel, I am using gnome pilot at the moment cos it works great with evolution, had a few problems with jpilot |
| 23:59.03 | brendonjt | it is way to buggy |
| 23:59.22 | ubd | :( |
| 23:59.31 | antgel | markit: i would personally not create any directories in / - take a look at the fhs. i tend to use /home/share |
| 23:59.47 | Nemoder | markit: I believe the default is 'user' level access which means you supply system user passwords and get access to their home dirs, but you can switch it to 'share' level and put what you need in seperate folders |
