| 00:00.17 | dezent | mc-edit ? |
| 00:00.25 | raasclat | nano? |
| 00:00.36 | dezent | vi ? |
| 00:00.36 | Aasgard | dezent, mac nees to put more into portings |
| 00:00.36 | Aasgard | needs |
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| 00:00.51 | Aasgard | vim, echo |
| 00:01.06 | daeos | Wyzard: ok, what program was it that you told me to try again |
| 00:01.09 | dezent | Aasgard: i use it for mail web ssh and music |
| 00:01.10 | daeos | i've rebooted |
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| 00:02.01 | Aasgard | dezent: servers: proxy, ftp, ssh, mail, dhcp, dns,..... |
| 00:02.03 | Aasgard | ? |
| 00:02.11 | dezent | Aasgard: its perfect, osx for me and debian at work and for customers |
| 00:02.19 | dezent | Aasgard: noo i use debian for that |
| 00:02.31 | coolzone | Hi. Newbie question. How do I install and use a precompiled kernel? More specific, this kernel: http://www.linux-live.org/# |
| 00:02.44 | Aasgard | Would be neat to have all systems able to do all things though.. |
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| 00:03.01 | daeos | Wyzard: its building now |
| 00:03.04 | daeos | Wyzard: thanks man |
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| 00:03.27 | Aasgard | dezent, simple recompiles most likely |
| 00:03.43 | dezent | Aasgard: i could use windows me on my laptop.. i really dont care, but osx is more pretty =) |
| 00:03.49 | dezent | Aasgard: for osx ? |
| 00:04.27 | Aasgard | dezent: yeah, its bsd so its no trouble porting some servers i hear |
| 00:04.37 | dezent | aventure:~ anjo$ apt-cache search squid |
| 00:04.37 | dezent | squid - Proxy caching server |
| 00:04.49 | dezent | thats on my laptop |
| 00:04.53 | Aasgard | nice |
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| 00:05.02 | dezent | and |
| 00:05.05 | LORD | Hola |
| 00:05.11 | LORD | HELLO |
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| 00:05.16 | Aasgard | Latoya! :) |
| 00:05.24 | dezent | venture:~ anjo$ port search squid |
| 00:05.24 | dezent | squid net/squid @2.5.STABLE13 advanced proxy caching server for http, https, ftp, gopher |
| 00:05.30 | dezent | =) |
| 00:05.51 | Aasgard | awesome |
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| 00:08.16 | LORD | HELLO ? |
| 00:08.18 | Aasgard | dezent: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gadminsquid/screenshots/gadminsquid_access.png :) /later perhaps |
| 00:08.21 | dezent | does anyone know why it takes about 30 minutes to boot an initrd that is 60mb.. but only 10sec to boot a 50mb initrd ? its from cd-card/ide filesystem is ext3.. |
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| 00:08.38 | dezent | Aasgard: sweet |
| 00:08.39 | Zancat | hmm, I try to mount the HD and now the error I get is that only root can mount the volume |
| 00:09.23 | Aasgard | dezent: yeah.. itll take a week or so methinks |
| 00:09.31 | dezent | Aasgard: inte så dumt =) |
| 00:09.46 | Aasgard | hehe :) |
| 00:10.34 | vn | bokmal? |
| 00:10.53 | dezent | no swedish |
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| 00:11.07 | vn | k |
| 00:11.21 | dezent | :) |
| 00:11.37 | Aasgard | Ill try a "Marillien-Liquer" now :) |
| 00:11.46 | vn | marillien? |
| 00:11.59 | Aasgard | sais so on the label |
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| 00:12.16 | Aasgard | good stuff |
| 00:12.21 | vn | marilyn maybe? |
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| 00:12.55 | Aasgard | nope, sorry it was 'Marillen' |
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| 00:13.25 | vn | ok, Italian Zinfandel |
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| 00:13.37 | Aasgard | Ah, nice stuff |
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| 00:14.08 | LORD | hI Aasgard |
| 00:14.18 | azeem | LORD: do you have a Debian question? |
| 00:14.19 | Aasgard | Hi there |
| 00:14.20 | LORD | nice nick |
| 00:14.33 | Aasgard | Awesomely neat |
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| 00:15.23 | vn | asgard No such nick/channel <===what are you waiting? |
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| 00:15.42 | Aasgard | heh |
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| 00:16.46 | Aasgard | sa.s |
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| 00:18.42 | Aasgard | K<C |
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| 00:22.18 | \amethyst | since it :q takes no arguments but does take a bang, :command -bang Q q<bang> |
| 00:22.28 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 00:22.56 | vn | nice, another vim user =) |
| 00:23.20 | TiMiDo | vim rules |
| 00:23.21 | TiMiDo | ;d |
| 00:23.33 | Aasgard | \amethyst: :q! <-- argument settled ? =) |
| 00:23.41 | vn | I'm so lost with so many different shells that don't have the sme tools...I prefer vim now, so I don't have to find out every time what text editor is avaliable |
| 00:23.45 | vn | even if I prefer nano |
| 00:24.14 | vn | my boss thinks I'm crazy cuz I use vim instead of Word |
| 00:24.24 | war | ? test |
| 00:24.27 | war | ? 965wh |
| 00:24.30 | war | ? x86_64 |
| 00:24.33 | war | dpkg, x86_64? |
| 00:24.34 | vn | test failed |
| 00:25.08 | jelly-home | !test |
| 00:25.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 00:25.24 | vn | haha I didn't even know he was answering this way |
| 00:25.25 | war | !x86_64? |
| 00:26.08 | Aasgard | war: go away :) |
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| 00:28.47 | naught101 | wow. my debian based VPS is completely full (10G). |
| 00:29.04 | naught101 | anyone know how I'd find out what was using all that space? |
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| 00:29.37 | jelly-home | du? |
| 00:29.47 | Aasgard | Jao? |
| 00:29.54 | naught101 | jao? |
| 00:30.02 | naught101 | du is probably what I need. |
| 00:30.26 | Aasgard | nm naught, nother lingua |
| 00:30.29 | jelly-home | jao == ow or ouch in my language |
| 00:31.40 | naught101 | :) |
| 00:31.40 | Aasgard | ah, k |
| 00:31.40 | Aasgard | jao == yeah whats up in s |
| 00:31.41 | Aasgard | or simply yeah |
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| 00:32.47 | jelly-home | naught101: first thing I'd do would probably be "aptitude clean" or "apt-get clean" though, to get rid of accumulated packages in the cache |
| 00:33.09 | naught101 | true |
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| 00:33.45 | exobyte | if I have a subnet of 255.240.0.0. would the broadcast address be 10.15.0.0? |
| 00:34.06 | Aasgard | net address ? |
| 00:34.10 | Aasgard | ipcalc |
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| 00:34.18 | stew | exobyte: depends on the netmask |
| 00:34.34 | stew | exobyte: but definatly not 10.anything |
| 00:34.39 | jelly-home | that was the netmask |
| 00:34.41 | \amethyst | I think 255.240.0.0 is supposed to be the netmask |
| 00:34.44 | stew | oh |
| 00:34.46 | exobyte | stew: oops- netmask is 255.240.0.0 |
| 00:34.50 | jelly-home | oh he said subnet |
| 00:34.54 | stew | exobyte: what is the network address? |
| 00:35.00 | jelly-home | looked like a netmask though :-) |
| 00:35.04 | exobyte | stew: umm.... |
| 00:35.15 | Aasgard | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.15 | Aasgard | NETMASK=255.255.255.0 |
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| 00:35.37 | \amethyst | exobyte: what's an example of an IP address in the network? |
| 00:35.38 | jelly-home | An' I thought broadcast address was the last one in the range |
| 00:35.50 | stew | jelly-home: it is |
| 00:36.03 | exobyte | stew: 10.0-15.*.* |
| 00:36.09 | exobyte | (I think) |
| 00:36.17 | exobyte | becasue that's how the subnet mask works |
| 00:36.28 | jelly-home | exobyte: so 10.15.255.255 then |
| 00:36.36 | \amethyst | it could be 10.15.255.255, or 10.31.255.255, or 10.47.255.255, or ... |
| 00:36.51 | stew | no, it is definately 10.15.255.255 |
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| 00:37.10 | \amethyst | stew: if the network address is 10.16.0.0, the broadcast address would be 10.31.255.255 |
| 00:37.28 | Aasgard | or transvirtually subnet the net via a gridvectorizer |
| 00:37.29 | stew | \amethyst: yes, but he said 10.0.0.0 |
| 00:37.38 | \amethyst | Oh, I missed that |
| 00:37.46 | stew | \amethyst: at least he said 10.0-15.0.0, which i took to mean 10.0.0.0/255.240.0.0 |
| 00:37.54 | \amethyst | aha, see it now |
| 00:37.59 | jelly-home | CIDR notation is nice, you say your ip address is 10.0.0.3/12 and everything else is implied |
| 00:38.20 | yigal | in this day in age is it reasonable to create a basic i.p. tables for a base firewall? I usually just use firestarter but recently I have wanted to get more into this area of security. |
| 00:38.28 | naught101 | bloody hell. gnupanel installed postgresql, and it now (18 hour later) has 8.2 GB of logs in /var/log/prostgresql |
| 00:38.51 | yigal | naught101: thats a huge amount of logs :) |
| 00:38.54 | Aasgard | yigal: firestarter is kinda neat |
| 00:38.56 | stew | exobyte: what are you doing that you actually need to know your broadcast address? |
| 00:38.57 | \amethyst | naught101: what's in the logs? 8.2GB implies something is seriously broken :) |
| 00:39.09 | stew | exobyte: you should rarely have to actually know that |
| 00:39.13 | \amethyst | or super-verbose debugging is on |
| 00:39.17 | naught101 | 6.9 actually... but yeah, I have no ide |
| 00:39.17 | Aasgard | yigal: best gui app so far i think |
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| 00:39.34 | exobyte | stew: isc-dhcpd config |
| 00:39.35 | naught101 | postgresql7.4 main log |
| 00:39.48 | stew | ahh |
| 00:39.48 | yigal | Aasgard: I like firestarter but I am interested in going command line |
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| 00:40.29 | Aasgard | posgresql-7.4 (what moron doesnt package using a '-' separator:) /nOOOo :) |
| 00:40.53 | Aasgard | yigal: its good to learn |
| 00:40.56 | naught101 | it does have that separator. I forgot it |
| 00:41.04 | Aasgard | ah, ok |
| 00:41.07 | naught101 | it's full of connections |
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| 00:41.23 | naught101 | 2007-04-07 14:55:18 [30101] LOG: connection authorized: user=postgres database=template1 |
| 00:41.24 | naught101 | etc |
| 00:41.31 | stew | Aasgard: postgres-7.4 would be the 7.4 version of the "postgres" package, whereas postgres7.4 is package named "postgres7.4" with no specified version |
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| 00:41.49 | exobyte | stew: so 10.15.255.255? |
| 00:41.53 | jelly-home | !info postgresql-7.4 stable |
| 00:41.54 | stew | exobyte: yes |
| 00:42.01 | dpkg | postgresql-7.4: (object-relational SQL database, version 7.4 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 1:7.4.16-1 (etch), Packaged size: 3296 kB, Installed size: 8180 kB |
| 00:42.01 | naught101 | I don't even need postgresql... |
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| 00:42.05 | stew | exobyte: (ipcalc 10.0.0.0/255.240.0.0) |
| 00:42.06 | exobyte | stew: thanks- just wanted to confirm |
| 00:42.15 | Aasgard | stew: Yuck, and so the packager needs a pokahontas in the right direction :) |
| 00:42.23 | stew | Aasgard: huh? |
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| 00:42.28 | Aasgard | A joke |
| 00:42.40 | maddash | *gasp* a stargate fan! |
| 00:43.08 | Aasgard | maddash: pokahontas ? |
| 00:43.29 | exobyte | stew: hmm... cool |
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| 00:43.49 | maddash | Aasgard: you! |
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| 00:44.17 | Aasgard | maddash: the Swedish bikini team you say ? |
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| 00:44.20 | exobyte | stew: being able to break up networks is nice, but I have to admit, doing it on weird boundaries makes headaches |
| 00:44.25 | naught101 | hrrm is is normal for df to take a while to update? it's still reporting 10g, even though I just deleted 6.9G |
| 00:44.49 | maddash | naught101: it should update instantly |
| 00:44.52 | jelly-home | naught101: a process is keeping the deleted files open |
| 00:44.59 | stew | naught101: if any of the files are still open, you don't get the space back until the files are closed |
| 00:45.01 | maddash | naught101: `sync`? |
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| 00:45.10 | naught101 | but du is reporting 3.1G |
| 00:45.32 | jelly-home | naught101: you may have to reload/restart syslogd or postgres, whatever is keeping them open |
| 00:45.41 | naught101 | wow. that's the most and fastest responses I've ever seen for one question ;) |
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| 00:46.39 | naught101 | yay. thanks |
| 00:46.46 | jelly-home | naught101: also, lsof will report the still open files so something like "lsof -n | grep deleted" works |
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| 00:52.25 | naught101 | cool |
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| 00:54.07 | daeos | upgrading to 2.6.18-4-686 (SMP) made me get 21% of my RAM back |
| 00:54.32 | Aasgard | uname -r |
| 00:54.32 | Aasgard | 2.6.20 |
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| 00:54.50 | Dionix | how do i install wine |
| 00:54.54 | Dionix | i can't find any good howto's |
| 00:54.57 | markybob | apt-get install win |
| 00:54.58 | markybob | wine* |
| 00:55.00 | Dionix | tldp doesn't have anything |
| 00:55.14 | yigal | Dionix: #aptitude install wine |
| 00:55.16 | Dionix | Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:55.16 | Dionix | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 00:55.16 | Dionix | is only available from another source |
| 00:55.32 | markybob | have non-free and contrib in your sources.list? |
| 00:55.33 | Dionix | E: Package wine has no installation candidate |
| 00:55.34 | Aasgard | 2.6.20-Majestic |
| 00:55.35 | yigal | Dionix: I like aptitude sometimes more than apt-get |
| 00:55.36 | maddash | daeos: and why do you think that is so? |
| 00:55.41 | Dionix | no markybob |
| 00:55.50 | markybob | Dionix: well, add them |
| 00:55.56 | maddash | uname -r : 2.6.20 :P |
| 00:55.56 | yigal | Dionix: go to winehq website and download the deb |
| 00:56.04 | Aasgard | :) |
| 00:56.10 | Dionix | but what about deps yigal |
| 00:56.20 | Dionix | i think i'll at contrib |
| 00:56.24 | Dionix | and non-free |
| 00:56.27 | Dionix | i forget how to do that |
| 00:56.41 | maddash | Dionix: append "contrib non-free" to the end of your deb line |
| 00:56.44 | yigal | Dionix: the newest wine will be at winehq, http://www.winehq.com/ |
| 00:56.50 | Dionix | ah ok |
| 00:56.53 | maddash | Dionix: in the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:57.06 | maddash | Dionix: followed by `aptitude update` |
| 00:57.09 | Dionix | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 00:57.16 | yigal | Dionix: yes but you should also ad contrib, and if you want non-free |
| 00:57.24 | Dionix | so like deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 00:57.25 | Dionix | err |
| 00:57.38 | Dionix | so like deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 00:57.49 | yigal | Dionix: yes |
| 00:57.55 | raasclat | if you are on amd64, and maybe others, you need to go to unstable to get WINE |
| 00:58.23 | yigal | raasclat: to get the latest wine he needs to go to the wine website |
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| 00:58.57 | markybob | yigal: will you stop that? they dont have debian packages there like you keep saying. just ubuntu debs |
| 00:59.00 | raasclat | yigal, sorry didn't realise he specified the latest |
| 00:59.28 | Dionix | hmmm |
| 00:59.34 | Dionix | i add contrib and non-free to my sources |
| 00:59.40 | Dionix | and there is still no wine |
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| 00:59.50 | raasclat | Dionix, you on i386? |
| 00:59.50 | markybob | Dionix: did you apt-get update? |
| 01:00.03 | yigal | people have to stop wining |
| 01:00.03 | Dionix | Linux Facsimile 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:00.04 | pipeline | yigal, raasclat : The winehq guy who mkaes packages kind of sucks at it. |
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| 01:00.23 | Aasgard | duck ank, slamdump in the header :) |
| 01:00.28 | Dionix | yes markybob |
| 01:00.35 | raasclat | pipeline, I'm a bit of a sucker for sticking in the debian repos, even if theres a newer version online :) |
| 01:00.44 | yigal | pipeline: thats too bad I have tried Crossover with great success although that is proprietary it is good quality software |
| 01:01.01 | pipeline | raasclat: err, I was telling you that the debian ones are better :P |
| 01:01.16 | maddash | Dionix: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb |
| 01:01.28 | raasclat | Dionix, as i said, if you are on AMD64, and want it from the debian, you need to add unstable |
| 01:01.39 | LORD | hi |
| 01:01.39 | yigal | raasclat: yes, in general I agree it is only when a program develops quickly that I consider using the latest greatest |
| 01:01.42 | LORD | hi |
| 01:02.03 | Aasgard | lord long blow ? :) |
| 01:02.23 | yigal | loard deap throat? |
| 01:02.27 | Aasgard | haha |
| 01:02.51 | yigal | is that you? mi lord |
| 01:03.01 | Aasgard | sorry there lord blow tard :) |
| 01:03.29 | Aasgard | Grandfather rapper B |
| 01:03.43 | Dionix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.48 | yigal | the anal lord where are you? |
| 01:03.48 | Dionix | why is all this stuff for unbuntu |
| 01:04.06 | Dionix | yigal: i found the instructions on winehq but its for unbuntu |
| 01:04.13 | Aasgard | yebotox :) |
| 01:04.16 | yigal | Dionix: use the Ubuntu debs |
| 01:04.23 | Dionix | Then, download the Wine package. You want the latest version available for either dapper, edgy, or feisty depending on which one you're using |
| 01:04.27 | Dionix | yeah but which one? |
| 01:04.29 | LORD | hjtyi |
| 01:04.36 | dondelelcaro | 1/away |
| 01:04.42 | Dionix | edgy? |
| 01:04.45 | yigal | Dionix: don't use Feisty I think there are some dependency issues then |
| 01:04.46 | Dionix | dapper? |
| 01:04.55 | Dionix | is dapper stable |
| 01:04.55 | yigal | Dionix: even edgy |
| 01:05.02 | dondelelcaro | Dionix, yigal: ubuntu is complete off topic here. If you want to discuss it, use #ubuntu. |
| 01:05.22 | yigal | Dionix: No, this is in reference to Wine debs |
| 01:05.26 | yigal | excuse me |
| 01:05.26 | Dionix | dondelelcaro: don't be an ass i'm trying to install wine on my debian computer and the winehq page instructions are for unbuntu |
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| 01:05.33 | Dionix | and yigal is helping me |
| 01:05.39 | markybob | wow |
| 01:05.43 | dondelelcaro | if you want to install wine, apt-get install wine; |
| 01:05.44 | Dionix | i clicked on debian |
| 01:05.45 | Ronin | heh |
| 01:05.52 | Dionix | i've already been over that dondelelcaro scroll up |
| 01:06.00 | Dionix | E: Package wine has no installation candidate |
| 01:06.06 | obsethryl | jesus, fould language reigns always, hurray for irc :) |
| 01:06.13 | yigal | dondelelcaro: Winehq only offers pre built latest for Ubuntu not Debian |
| 01:06.13 | yigal | ? |
| 01:06.15 | obsethryl | foul* |
| 01:06.25 | parsonsd | fould ? |
| 01:06.28 | Dionix | they are right next to each other on the page |
| 01:06.32 | Dionix | and i clicked debian |
| 01:06.36 | Aasgard | obsethryl: how foul you haveth |
| 01:06.36 | parsonsd | is that the foul server daemon? |
| 01:06.38 | Dionix | but it just takes me to unbuttu |
| 01:06.40 | yigal | fould its the daemon version of foul |
| 01:06.47 | Ronin | i like my foul bbq'd |
| 01:06.53 | dondelelcaro | Dionix: wine is only available for i386, not amd64. |
| 01:06.57 | Dionix | http://winehq.org/site/download-deb |
| 01:07.00 | Dionix | theres a hack |
| 01:07.06 | dondelelcaro | Dionix: if you want to run it, install an i386 chroot and run it there. |
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| 01:07.07 | parsonsd | ronin: then you want fowld |
| 01:07.17 | Dionix | http://wiki.winehq.org/UbuntuAMD64 |
| 01:07.23 | Ronin | or chinese duck |
| 01:07.33 | dondelelcaro | if you want to discuss the ubuntu packages, do it elsewhere. |
| 01:07.41 | Aasgard | i love them little fawoulds |
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| 01:07.51 | Dionix | i just need to know what unbuntu release version corresponds with debian |
| 01:07.54 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.00 | dondelelcaro | Dionix: there is no correspondence at all./ |
| 01:08.03 | yigal | Dionix: is using Debian |
| 01:08.11 | Dionix | hmmmmm |
| 01:08.21 | \amethyst | Dionix: One problem with that might be that debian's and ubuntu's ia32-libs packages have different libraries in them |
| 01:08.26 | Dionix | so in otherwords i just have to check dep versions manually until i find one suitable |
| 01:08.31 | yigal | dondelelcaro: Dionix is using Debian but can use ubuntu's package for wine |
| 01:08.34 | Dionix | hmmmmm |
| 01:08.38 | Ronin | Dionix: or just to apt-get install wine |
| 01:08.49 | dondelelcaro | yigal: he can, but we don't support it here, or answer questions about it here. |
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| 01:08.57 | dondelelcaro | yigal: if you want to support him in doing that, feel free to do it elsewhere |
| 01:09.14 | dondelelcaro | there are amd64 packages in Debian, but they are only in unstable. |
| 01:09.16 | Dionix | http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-7a277214ee284c1915cd6c431f6369cfcde97e3c |
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| 01:09.19 | Dionix | i found it |
| 01:09.21 | Dionix | yay |
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| 01:09.27 | yigal | dondelelcaro: so no package outside of the official repositories? |
| 01:09.37 | dondelelcaro | yigal: no |
| 01:09.42 | obsethryl | amusing, a single sentence with a typo resulting in poetic escalation... amusing indeed. |
| 01:09.44 | yigal | dondelelcaro: then what? I am confused |
| 01:09.45 | dondelelcaro | if you use unofficial packages, you're on your own. |
| 01:10.03 | Dionix | err i am really disliking #debian more and more heh if grifter at #goddess was around i'd never come in here, but anyway thanks yigal i doubt i'll ever come back in here |
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| 01:10.17 | raasclat | friendly |
| 01:10.19 | yigal | dondelelcaro: so this channel is for official packages made for Debian Sid/Lenny/Etch . |
| 01:10.24 | Ronin | yigal: yes |
| 01:10.24 | dondelelcaro | yigal: yes |
| 01:10.30 | daeos | how would i find out what linux-wlan-ng's module name would be, how could i find that out as i've install |
| 01:10.31 | obsethryl | raasclat: more like sincere |
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| 01:10.42 | yigal | dondelelcaro: fare enough, sorry for not reading the instructions |
| 01:11.15 | clem_ | when apt is installing something, does the progress get written in a file somewhere (for guis like synaptic to be able to report progress to the user)? |
| 01:11.32 | dondelelcaro | clem_: kind of |
| 01:11.35 | daeos | ed the module from apt-get and complied it already and installed it |
| 01:11.53 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: is it in a file? |
| 01:11.57 | dondelelcaro | clem_: there is a progress file descriptor that can be written to, but it isn't as complete as one might expect. |
| 01:12.21 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: I'm basically interested in the total percentage figure. |
| 01:12.31 | dondelelcaro | clem_: it's not really possible to know that |
| 01:12.42 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: which info is available? |
| 01:12.59 | dondelelcaro | clem_: you can show a percentage of the download, but it's pretty much impossible to know how much longer the install will take once you've started actually unpacking and configuring packages |
| 01:13.14 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: that's fine. |
| 01:13.43 | yigal | dondelelcaro: where is it located in /var/log/cache ? |
| 01:13.51 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: does APT write in that file by default or do I need to run it with a special option? |
| 01:14.48 | dondelelcaro | yigal: it's not a file, it's a file descriptor. |
| 01:15.05 | Aasgard | dondelelcaro: micruft tried to do that.. it cost gillions to make and is the most incorrect DL-counter in the worlds :) |
| 01:15.45 | yigal | dondelelcaro: so the info can be catted periodically into a file? |
| 01:15.56 | Aasgard | 60 minutes ramaining, 4 minutes remaining, 120 minutes remaining... :) |
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| 01:16.04 | Aasgard | ram/rem |
| 01:16.16 | yigal | Aasgard: :) |
| 01:16.29 | Aasgard | Very true though |
| 01:16.29 | dondelelcaro | yigal: or otherwise dealt with, yes |
| 01:16.42 | dondelelcaro | clem_: you're looking for the Status-Fd apt option |
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| 01:17.11 | dondelelcaro | see base-config for an example of how to use it |
| 01:17.19 | dondelelcaro | (or the installer) |
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| 01:18.05 | Aasgard | yigal: the logon sound cost gillions to make too but all i can hear is like "ding dong, bling blong" :) |
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| 01:20.16 | clem_ | apt-get install -o APT::Status-Fd |
| 01:20.33 | clem_ | I'm not too sure which value to give it.. and how to read the info then.. |
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| 01:21.47 | slakmagik | would gpasswd be the way to add a user to a group on debian, or is there a debian-specific way? a man page or two and google don't give me confidence one way or another |
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| 01:22.42 | Aasgard | slak:test |
| 01:23.19 | slakmagik | pardon? |
| 01:23.25 | Aasgard | testpardon |
| 01:23.26 | dondelelcaro | slakmagik: adduser user group; man adduser |
| 01:23.46 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 01:23.46 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 01:23.52 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 01:23.53 | Aasgard | groupadd foo ; useradd foo -g foo -s /dev/null -d /dev/null |
| 01:24.13 | slakmagik | okay - thanks - just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some specifics |
| 01:24.39 | Aasgard | d and s there cant be used for ssh access so you know |
| 01:25.02 | Aasgard | is that case just skip them |
| 01:25.07 | yigal | slakmagik: or just edit /etc/grou :) |
| 01:25.15 | Aasgard | p |
| 01:25.18 | dondelelcaro | ugh. just use adduser |
| 01:25.19 | yigal | s/ou/oup |
| 01:25.31 | yigal | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 01:25.52 | slakmagik | yep :) like I say, just wanted to make sure there wasn't a debgr or something ;) |
| 01:26.10 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why it exists, and why we almost never mention any of the *add *del; tools |
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| 01:27.01 | yigal | dondelecaro: but vim or emacs and /etc/group there you go no more adduser addgroup |
| 01:27.31 | \amethyst | yigal: at the very least use vigr or something |
| 01:27.44 | yigal | \amethyst: Im a vimmer |
| 01:27.53 | Aasgard | :) |
| 01:27.54 | yigal | \amethyst: to each there own |
| 01:27.56 | \amethyst | yigal: it calls $EDITOR |
| 01:28.13 | yigal | \amethyst: Im too egocentric to do that :) |
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| 01:28.39 | slakmagik | ah, okay - adduser - that *is* the 'debgr' - gotcha - like slack only different :) |
| 01:29.06 | yigal | slakmagik: interesting how many years have you been on slak? |
| 01:29.20 | slakmagik | about 4 |
| 01:29.32 | daeos | ok, need a little guidance here... i just got the drivers for my netgear to finally install now... for some reason it does not appear as a network device, such as wlan0 ..... is there something im missing to make it show up as a network device? i installed with modprobe prism2_usb , it shows up in lsmod correctly , but the device does not show up under wlan0. |
| 01:29.54 | yigal | daeos: what about rausb0? |
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| 01:30.10 | yigal | daeos: what about ra0? |
| 01:30.21 | daeos | yigal: all i have are lo, eth0 and sit0 |
| 01:30.25 | \amethyst | yigal: it takes out locks and does various things to make sure that /etc/group is always in a consistent state. With most editors, there's a brief period of time where the file is empty |
| 01:30.51 | Aasgard | daeos: netgear uses the madwifi driver .. also install wpa-supplicant |
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| 01:31.08 | daeos | Aasgard: my netgear is a prism chip |
| 01:31.21 | daeos | madwifi is for Atheros |
| 01:31.24 | Aasgard | oh, didnt know those existed |
| 01:31.36 | yigal | daeos: do you know the chip? |
| 01:31.51 | Aasgard | modprobe --list | grep wifi |
| 01:31.53 | daeos | yigal: GlobespanVirata Cohiba 3887 rev0 |
| 01:32.13 | daeos | Aasgard: blank |
| 01:32.19 | acall | anyone have trouble with rt73 usb ralink drivers? |
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| 01:32.36 | daeos | its a WG111 USB adapter (netgear) |
| 01:33.42 | daeos | is there a way to refresh what devices are connected maybe? |
| 01:33.44 | clem_ | dondelelcaro: can you point me to an example on how to read/set that file descriptor? |
| 01:34.02 | yigal | daeos: its here http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#G |
| 01:34.28 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.46 | yigal | acall: its great! works like a charm |
| 01:35.02 | daeos | yigal: i am not trying to use nsdiswrapper |
| 01:35.23 | yigal | dondelelcaro: sorry I forgot only official debian packages |
| 01:35.32 | yigal | dondelelcaro: you have to remind me |
| 01:35.54 | yigal | daeos: you are trying to use open source? |
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| 01:36.06 | daeos | yigal: i think i found my issue |
| 01:36.12 | thingfish | It's amazing how much change there is in a channel if you're gone for a year or so. |
| 01:36.17 | Aasgard | Havnt tried usb but, usb shouldnt pose a problem.. modprobe ath_hal / wlan / ath_pci / prism54 maybe ? |
| 01:36.18 | yigal | daeos: what was it? |
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| 01:38.17 | yigal | daeos: you have tried http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?Keyword=RTL8187 |
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| 01:38.43 | yigal | daeos: excuse me it is a deadlink |
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| 01:39.43 | Aasgard | binary blob left :) |
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| 01:40.50 | Aasgard | AKAmicruft :) |
| 01:41.35 | daeos | yigal: well, i think i find my issue..... i had to edit my modules.conf |
| 01:41.39 | daeos | to add an alias for the wlan0 |
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| 01:41.47 | daeos | since the installer doesn't make a symlink on tis own |
| 01:41.49 | daeos | its* |
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| 01:43.47 | yigal | there are more people leaving than words on the channel |
| 01:44.10 | daeos | yigal: what depends on this modules.conf file? |
| 01:44.11 | daeos | lsmod? |
| 01:44.42 | yigal | daeos: the kernel, what it loads on boot |
| 01:44.52 | yigal | no, excuse me |
| 01:44.55 | daeos | so how would i have this file reloaded? |
| 01:45.01 | m1ke_1 | insmod |
| 01:45.03 | xjkx | whats the command i get the binaries of a package? |
| 01:45.04 | yigal | daeos: that is modules |
| 01:45.09 | daeos | insmod ? |
| 01:45.22 | yigal | daeos: I don't know |
| 01:45.28 | xjkx | daeos, what differs insmod to modprobe? |
| 01:45.32 | m1ke_1 | lsmod just lists the current loaded modules |
| 01:45.49 | m1ke_1 | modprobe is supposed to load any dependant modules as well |
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| 01:46.12 | m1ke_1 | insmod "modulename" will load a module (driver). |
| 01:46.29 | m1ke_1 | modprobe "modulename" will load the module plus dependant modules |
| 01:46.38 | xjkx | o.o |
| 01:46.38 | m1ke_1 | (might need a switch, i forget) |
| 01:46.42 | yigal | so does modprob use insmod to achieve what you ask it to? |
| 01:46.42 | xjkx | thanks |
| 01:47.17 | xjkx | what about getting binary name of packages? |
| 01:47.17 | Aasgard | a module is just some program, doesnt have to be driving anything.. |
| 01:47.17 | yigal | s/prob/probe |
| 01:47.17 | m1ke_1 | module=driver |
| 01:47.17 | daeos | m1ke_1: i had to update modules.conf for a driver i installed |
| 01:47.28 | m1ke_1 | right....modules.conf is called during boot to load the modules for your hardware |
| 01:47.43 | m1ke_1 | i dont get "binary name of packages".... |
| 01:47.46 | m1ke_1 | what do you mean? |
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| 01:48.18 | slakmagik | yigal: so, how long have you been on debian? |
| 01:48.38 | yigal | daeos: modules.conf - configuration file for loading kernel modules  |
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| 01:49.07 | hambo | What is a little run command program for xwindows? |
| 01:49.07 | yigal | slakmagik: about 3 years but just as a user not an admin |
| 01:49.22 | m1ke_1 | hambo: what? |
| 01:49.34 | Aasgard | yigal.. at boot with optional params |
| 01:49.42 | hambo | a window I can type a command into and have the program run |
| 01:49.48 | yigal | Aasgard: yes |
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| 01:50.06 | markybob | you're not even supposed to touch modules.conf on a debian box. c'mon, people |
| 01:50.08 | m1ke_1 | terminal? eterm? aterm? gnome-terminal? |
| 01:50.13 | GhostlyDeath_ | how do I make a source folder a Working SVN Copy? |
| 01:50.39 | hambo | m1ke_1: Like the "run command" on a windows machine |
| 01:50.39 | m1ke_1 | markybob: if you didn't mess with stuff, how could you break anything? |
| 01:50.40 | yigal | m1ke_1: I like urxvt |
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| 01:50.49 | Aasgard | markybob: supposed is a useless word if.. you _can_ |
| 01:50.50 | slakmagik | ah - that'd actually be nice. I'm the user and admin. :) |
| 01:50.55 | m1ke_1 | oh...hambo.....hit alt-f2 |
| 01:51.44 | m1ke_1 | works in gnome anyway |
| 01:51.44 | hambo | m1ke_1: I'm not using KDE or gnome |
| 01:51.44 | m1ke_1 | oh |
| 01:51.44 | markybob | Aasgard &m1ke_1 you're supposed to do things properly, as debian's kernel handbook tells you to. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-modules.html |
| 01:51.44 | yigal | slakmagik: I am an admin of 2 computers my roomate and myself :) |
| 01:51.44 | m1ke_1 | screw the instructions! |
| 01:51.45 | slakmagik | hambo: I agree with the people saying to just go ahead and fire up a term, but kde/gnome have theirs and fluxbox has one |
| 01:51.54 | hambo | slakmagik: what's the fluxbox one? |
| 01:51.54 | markybob | m1ke_1 yes, keep leading newbies astray. great |
| 01:51.55 | Aasgard | markybob: lol, then you cant ever install a tv card for instance |
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| 01:52.15 | markybob | Aasgard: yes you can. you create files inside /etc/modprobe.d/ and use update-modules in debian |
| 01:52.17 | m1ke_1 | markybob: nice link....thanks. |
| 01:52.22 | slakmagik | I forget - it's just something that comes with flux - I haven't used flux in a long time |
| 01:52.32 | Aasgard | markybob: (and have it inited at boot with the correct tuner etc) |
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| 01:52.32 | markybob | Aasgard: please dont spread bad info |
| 01:52.47 | yigal | hambo: fire up xterm and see if it comes up |
| 01:52.56 | yigal | hambo: alt+f2 "xterm" |
| 01:52.59 | Aasgard | markybob: was it bad or coming from someone with Kn0wledge ? :) |
| 01:53.24 | markybob | Aasgard: bad. that's not how things are done in debian |
| 01:53.42 | dutchfish | at /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts there a symlink etch pointing to sid, is this right and if yes why? |
| 01:54.20 | yigal | Does anyone have suspend2 working for Sid right now? |
| 01:54.35 | daeos | ok, im lost here... all im trying to do is make sure that my changes to the modules.conf file were accepted |
| 01:54.39 | hambo | I don't want an xterm. I don't want to have the window stay up after I run the command |
| 01:54.57 | yigal | hambo: then alt+f2 should do it |
| 01:55.02 | m1ke_1 | hambo: what "gnome" are you using? |
| 01:55.05 | m1ke_1 | xfce? |
| 01:55.06 | m1ke_1 | e? |
| 01:55.08 | hambo | fluxbox |
| 01:55.10 | Lethargy_4 | I am happy that my rt73 module is working |
| 01:55.10 | yigal | m1ke_1: flux |
| 01:55.12 | markybob | daeos: read the link i posted. the gists is you create a file in /etc/modules.d/ with the options you want. then update-modules |
| 01:55.18 | m1ke_1 | oh...then make a keyboard shortcut |
| 01:55.28 | m1ke_1 | clt-alt-t will launch your app |
| 01:55.34 | m1ke_1 | or what ever. |
| 01:55.38 | daeos | markybob: so i run 'sudo update-modules' ? |
| 01:56.05 | markybob | modprobe.d* , sorry |
| 01:56.31 | hambo | I want to know a program that gives me a little command line, that disappears after I run the command. I'd like to know the name of the program that does that. Common I know someone knows the name of a program that does that! |
| 01:56.45 | yigal | hambo: alt+f2 doesn't work in flux? |
| 01:56.50 | hambo | AHHHH |
| 01:56.54 | hambo | no |
| 01:56.58 | markybob | daeos: hope you saw my correction a couple of lines above |
| 01:57.21 | m1ke_1 | i think you need to ask flux people...i think it would be a desktop environement thing |
| 01:57.24 | slakmagik | hambo: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=run+command§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
| 01:57.40 | markybob | daeos: and i've gotta get going. good luck |
| 01:58.11 | hambo | this is not a fluxbox question |
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| 01:58.45 | m1ke_1 | why not? alt-f2 in gnome is a gnome feature....the similar function in kde is a kde feature |
| 01:58.47 | slakmagik | run-free, tkrunit, gexec, etc. |
| 01:58.51 | yigal | hambo: go to #fluxbox |
| 01:59.00 | daeos | markybob: i did but the instructions im given .... didn't say to put it in where you said |
| 01:59.02 | m1ke_1 | or read slakmagik link |
| 01:59.02 | yigal | hambo: they will know how to help you |
| 01:59.09 | daeos | in fact it stops there |
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| 01:59.24 | hambo | Because I want to know the name of a prog that does that. That program could be run in ANY window manager. |
| 01:59.33 | dutchfish | at /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts there a symlink etch pointing to sid (in etch) so there is no script specially for etch? |
| 01:59.35 | hambo | There are a variety of programs that do that. |
| 01:59.39 | yigal | m1ke_1: yes but in KDE it is also alt+f2 |
| 01:59.45 | hambo | I just can't remember any of their names |
| 01:59.54 | m1ke_1 | i left? |
| 02:00.00 | daeos | yes you did |
| 02:00.04 | slakmagik | hambo: I just gave you a page with more than 3 of them |
| 02:00.05 | daeos | no |
| 02:00.07 | m1ke_1 | where'd i go? |
| 02:00.08 | daeos | m1ke_l |
| 02:00.12 | daeos | l not 1 |
| 02:00.14 | m1ke_1 | oh |
| 02:00.22 | hambo | slakmagik: thank you |
| 02:00.29 | slakmagik | sure thing :) |
| 02:00.31 | yigal | m1ke_1: I still say go to #fluxbox someone will know exactly what you need |
| 02:00.52 | yigal | excuse me s/m1ke_1/hambo |
| 02:01.04 | yigal | that was bad |
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| 02:02.20 | chronographer | hello |
| 02:02.24 | m1ke_l | hi |
| 02:02.40 | hambo | slakmagik: run-free. that was the one I was looking for. THanks again |
| 02:02.59 | chronographer | i am checking out my system monitor for processes that are running and i have 7 instances of getty, is this normal? |
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| 02:03.16 | m1ke_l | yes |
| 02:03.19 | m1ke_l | ( i tihnk) |
| 02:03.30 | m1ke_l | they are the ctl-alt-f2-8 you can log into |
| 02:03.35 | m1ke_l | if i understand it correctly |
| 02:03.50 | hambo | ah but run-free ain't in etch apparently |
| 02:03.55 | daeos | ok let me ask again, what command do i use to make modules.conf reload? |
| 02:03.56 | m1ke_l | you can limit them in /etc/inittab i believe |
| 02:04.00 | daeos | without having to reboot |
| 02:04.05 | chronographer | ok. ok i see |
| 02:04.36 | Dewi | anyone know of any ntfs tools useable outside of windows, that could let me identify what files reside on a given list of sectors (failed sectors which I have already identified) |
| 02:04.48 | amphi | hambo: grun is another |
| 02:05.02 | chronographer | i wont bother, they use bugger all memory... I don't think i will use any more than 2, let alone 7 sessions! |
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| 02:05.08 | chronographer | though |
| 02:05.33 | yigal | there are plenty of ntfs tools just do a search with aptitude. aptitude search ~dntfs |
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| 02:05.41 | m1ke_l | dewi: not sure, but check out the rescue cd....let me find a link |
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| 02:06.20 | daeos | ok let me ask again, what command do i use to make modules.conf reload? , without having to reboot ? |
| 02:06.21 | hambo | amphi: thanks |
| 02:06.41 | Dewi | m1ke_l: *the* rescue CD? |
| 02:06.51 | chronographer | anyone here running nvidia with tv out and know how to set up beryl to play nice with the tv?? Mine works with metacity, but with beryl there are probs on the tv's screen with window decs and contents... |
| 02:06.51 | pearl | daeos: /etc/init.d/modutils restart maybe |
| 02:06.58 | amphi | hambo: it has reasonable completion, does the job for me |
| 02:07.03 | m1ke_l | i think this one http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 02:07.21 | yigal | pearl: I thought this was just /etc/modules? |
| 02:07.22 | Dewi | m1ke_l: thx |
| 02:07.55 | pearl | dont know yigal |
| 02:07.57 | chronographer | [' |
| 02:08.30 | drwahl | i am trying to run firefox via wine, but firefox cannot seem to get outside to the network. is there a setting somewhere? or does wine do some wierd routing? |
| 02:08.46 | yigal | daeos: "modprobe" should load what ever modules you want if you want to do it manually |
| 02:08.53 | chronographer | why not run firefox nativelly? |
| 02:08.58 | m1ke_l | why would you run firefox in wine? |
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| 02:09.04 | chronographer | it has a linux build! |
| 02:09.11 | drwahl | cause i am on 64bit and i want flash |
| 02:09.28 | chronographer | its just that in debian its called 'iceweasel' but you can dl it from sourceforge and install it! |
| 02:09.36 | m1ke_l | run 32bit firefox |
| 02:09.36 | yigal | drwahl: firefox with wine thats hillarious, just use a choot |
| 02:09.37 | daeos | pearl: thanks, but my addition didn't seem to work... :-\ |
| 02:09.50 | daeos | yigal: i already added it |
| 02:09.56 | yigal | daeos: what modules do you want to load? |
| 02:09.59 | daeos | yigal: but wlan0 does not show up |
| 02:10.20 | daeos | yigal: prism2_usb |
| 02:10.32 | daeos | let me link you with the 'instructions' |
| 02:10.38 | yigal | daeos: /etc/modules.conf will work on reboot, you need to use modprobe, try a few times - sounds funny but it has worked this way for me |
| 02:11.15 | chronographer | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 02:11.15 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 02:12.05 | yetifoot | drwahl, you still there? |
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| 02:12.13 | drwahl | yetifoot: ya |
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| 02:12.29 | daeos | yigal: i messaged you the info |
| 02:12.34 | yetifoot | you need to go to about:config in firefox, and search ipv6, and change the boolean option they give, then net will work |
| 02:12.49 | drwahl | yetifoot: ok |
| 02:14.00 | Lethargy_4 | ouch no flash loving for you dude. |
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| 02:16.42 | drwahl | yetifoot: any suggestions for audio? |
| 02:17.13 | yetifoot | you would have to run winecfg, and it will tell you it will set a default audio driver |
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| 02:17.50 | drwahl | yetifoot: shoud i do driver emulation? |
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| 02:18.22 | yetifoot | is that what it's asking you? I would just try the default |
| 02:19.19 | tuxplorer | apt-get downloads slowly.. I want to get the list of packages to be downloaded parallely, put them in cache and then ask it to upgrade.. how do I get the list of packages? which file with that be stored? |
| 02:20.04 | tuxplorer | or is there a way to tell apt to download the packages parallely? |
| 02:20.09 | m1ke_l | apt-get has a download only option |
| 02:20.11 | exobyte | will anything bad happen if I run this command on an already static interface? ifconfig eth0 <same ip> netmask <more restrictive> if I'm sure the netmask still give me access to what I need access to? |
| 02:20.12 | m1ke_l | if thats what you want |
| 02:20.31 | ubd | downloads slowy: change the mirror from sources.list |
| 02:20.56 | m1ke_l | what is the app to get apt to test for the best repo? |
| 02:20.59 | tuxplorer | I want to tell apt-get to get 3-4 packages simultaneously.. |
| 02:21.19 | tuxplorer | m1ke_l: is there something to test for best repo? |
| 02:21.22 | tuxplorer | cool |
| 02:21.26 | tuxplorer | what is that? |
| 02:21.40 | m1ke_l | yes.....i was hoping someone else would remember the name |
| 02:21.57 | tuxplorer | would dpkg bot know that? |
| 02:22.02 | yetifoot | ha, i've just kicking my brain too, forgot the name |
| 02:26.39 | m1ke_l | apt-get cache search apt |
| 02:26.39 | m1ke_l | sorry...apt-cache search apt |
| 02:26.39 | m1ke_l | maybe it willl jog someones memory (i'm on XP at the moment) |
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| 02:26.40 | tuxplorer | apt-spy? |
| 02:26.44 | m1ke_l | apt-cache show apt-spy |
| 02:26.44 | m1ke_l | what does it say |
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| 02:26.46 | yetifoot | netselect |
| 02:26.46 | tuxplorer | writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests |
| 02:26.46 | tuxplorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.46 | tuxplorer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.47 | m1ke_l | sounds like it |
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| 02:26.48 | tuxplorer | Thanks m1ke_l |
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| 02:26.49 | drwahl | has any one had any success running Counter Strike under linux? |
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| 02:27.11 | k-man_ | whats that tool called that shows you in X, that there are updates available? |
| 02:27.29 | k-man_ | i think its a gnome thing |
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| 02:27.32 | yetifoot | i know adept does that, but i think thats more a KDE thing than X |
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| 02:28.00 | vn | wuauclt.exe? |
| 02:28.01 | vn | :p |
| 02:28.07 | yetifoot | drwahl, did you get the sound working? |
| 02:28.08 | m1ke_l | vn: nice |
| 02:28.22 | vn | I hope you understood this was a joke |
| 02:28.25 | drwahl | yetifoot: lol, no... im not sure why either |
| 02:28.51 | m1ke_l | who was looking for flash and firefox wine? |
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| 02:29.19 | k-man_ | for some reason, i keep finding dpkg-query running on my machine... is that normal? which process starts it and for what purpose? |
| 02:29.20 | drwahl | m1ke_l: me |
| 02:29.27 | yetifoot | drwahl, when i did it, i just chose the default, and it worked |
| 02:29.31 | m1ke_l | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava |
| 02:29.46 | m1ke_l | i forget what you were doing, but that might help |
| 02:29.59 | yetifoot | watch out for that ubuntu one, that caused a horrific libc conflict |
| 02:30.26 | yetifoot | nevermind, sorry it was a different one |
| 02:30.26 | drwahl | m1ke_l: i will take a look at it, thanks for the link |
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| 02:30.48 | yetifoot | drwahl : sound is an issue under KDE (Kubuntu) as well. The arts daemon (if running) must be suspended in order for Flash to be able to emit sound. |
| 02:31.11 | yetifoot | maybe thats relevent? or maybe ytou don't have alsa or some other needed thing? |
| 02:32.13 | drwahl | yetifoot: you seem to be somewhat familiar with wine, so do you know why i am not seeing any text when i run Steam ? |
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| 02:33.08 | yigal | drwahl: what drivers do you have installed in wine? |
| 02:33.08 | yetifoot | steam the game engine? I have no experience of that, but maybe you need the mscorefonts ? |
| 02:33.08 | yigal | mscorefonts, yes |
| 02:33.20 | drwahl | yetifoot: thats sounds reasonable, is that a package i can apt-get? |
| 02:33.21 | yetifoot | msttcorefonts is the actual package name |
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| 02:34.27 | FuzzyB | */10 * * * /bin/false | that crontab entry will run /bin/false every 10 minutes right? |
| 02:34.30 | yigal | yetifoot: can glx be enabled in wine? |
| 02:34.33 | yetifoot | i was quite impressed running an OpenGL game under WINE, i was still getting 120fps, even when i did a native compile i only got 130 |
| 02:34.38 | FuzzyB | yigal: yes |
| 02:34.46 | yigal | how how? |
| 02:34.51 | FuzzyB | yigal: look @ codeweavers wine |
| 02:35.02 | yigal | FuzzyB: only one I use its great |
| 02:35.10 | FuzzyB | if your X has GLX/DRI enabled ( glxinfo | grep direct ) you should be good |
| 02:35.34 | FuzzyB | So crontab? anyone? |
| 02:35.41 | yigal | FuzzyB: cool, I have just started using this proprietary one as their open source doesn't work for everything I want it for |
| 02:36.35 | yigal | FuzzyB: I think so |
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| 02:39.24 | Nyle | howdy |
| 02:39.28 | Nyle | man about friggin time |
| 02:39.40 | Nyle | I am on my pc again after like 2 months |
| 02:39.50 | Nyle | this wireless to ethernet bridge was a great idea |
| 02:39.56 | Nyle | saved me money on 4 wifi nic |
| 02:40.00 | naught101 | wow. GNUpanel is really fucked. |
| 02:40.24 | Nyle | now I must install grub for NT and boot my debian disk |
| 02:40.34 | Nyle | gonna keep dual boot until i finish oblivion all the way |
| 02:40.44 | Nyle | I got a few mages guild quests and other stuff |
| 02:40.50 | naught101 | I tried installing it, and it died. then I try uninstalling it, and it uninstals pretty much everything ... apache, mysql, php5, debconf... |
| 02:40.52 | Nyle | i can't wait to be back on debian |
| 02:40.54 | Nyle | yippy!!! |
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| 02:43.10 | yigal | FuzzyB: Definitely |
| 02:43.43 | yigal | FuzzyB: http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html |
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| 02:53.08 | boswen | i can install a wifi-ready system via netinstall or livecd or binary-cd? |
| 02:53.37 | maddash | boswen: no |
| 02:53.52 | boswen | maddash, no way to do it at all? |
| 02:53.55 | maddash | boswen: not via netinst -- not sure about the others |
| 02:54.52 | noiesmo | Hey looking at install ltsp server on a debian sarge box i have setup as samba and web server when i run apt-get install ltsp-server it wants to remove my current kernel-image but not re install any wont this leave the system unable to start if it got shutdown or rebooted? |
| 02:55.11 | boswen | maddash, if i have installed a very basic system which is wifi-enabled, how do i make a boot-up cd with it? |
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| 02:55.21 | yigal | boswen: depends on what your needs are for the wireless, that is what card |
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| 02:55.38 | FuzzyB | boswen: check debbootstrap |
| 02:55.43 | maddash | boswen: debootstrap |
| 02:55.44 | boswen | yiga1, i know, pls refer to my last q. |
| 02:56.06 | FuzzyB | dpkg !tell boswen debootstrap |
| 02:56.13 | boswen | thks |
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| 02:56.31 | yigal | FuzzyB: chroot to boot a nice way to go |
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| 03:00.31 | maddash | netinstall via wireless is an interesting problem |
| 03:01.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | maddash: I got a solution for you. It's long, cylindrical, and has the acronym "CAT5" imprinted on it. |
| 03:02.14 | maddash | Dark_Apostrophe: don't be foolish. that solution won't work if i don't have an ethernet jack on my computer. |
| 03:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | You have Wi-Fi...but not eth. |
| 03:02.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Now that _is_ an interesting problem. |
| 03:02.59 | yigal | netinstall + wifi is not impossible but it requires some prior knowledge of the wireless driver being used |
| 03:03.33 | daeos | my 2 cents... spend $15 and get a ethernet cable |
| 03:03.35 | daeos | and card |
| 03:04.20 | yigal | daeos: yes you have had an awful time |
| 03:04.21 | boswen | yiga1, its not impossible but its a catch-22 situation. you need a wifi-link before you can do it. |
| 03:05.05 | yigal | boswen: no download netinstall + build-essential + driver if it is open source |
| 03:05.08 | boswen | or at least some kind of link |
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| 03:05.30 | yigal | boswen: there are other situations each with there respective solutions |
| 03:05.41 | maddash | http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD <--- hopefully, that has the appropriate wireless drivers. Then setup your system with debootstrap. |
| 03:05.41 | daeos | maddash: why not go get a copy of ubuntu off the net, run the live cd, and install from there then go to #ubuntu for further support as it is the only live cd with all the files on the cd already |
| 03:06.04 | maddash | daeos: haha |
| 03:06.26 | yigal | daeos: plugging ubuntu on debian naughty naughty :) |
| 03:06.35 | maddash | it would be neat if you could install debian from inside ubuntu, or knoppix, or slax, or whatever |
| 03:06.37 | daeos | maddash: simple point and click on the install button installs in a jiffy, no need for internet connection after that |
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| 03:06.57 | daeos | OOOOOR |
| 03:07.06 | daeos | download all 6... or 7 cds of debian |
| 03:07.06 | boswen | maddash, if i have the LiveCD, why debootstrap, can't i use the livecd to install a system? |
| 03:07.11 | daeos | and use the cd repositories |
| 03:07.11 | maddash | daeos: but then it would be 'ubuntu,' that i have install, not 'debian.' |
| 03:07.22 | daeos | use the cd repos option then |
| 03:07.32 | yigal | boswen: you probably need build-essential |
| 03:07.46 | maddash | yigal: wtf would he need build-essential? |
| 03:08.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | To compile drivers? |
| 03:08.35 | maddash | and how would he get the driver source? or build-essential, in the first place? |
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| 03:08.57 | yigal | maddash: I still don't know what driver he is trying to install |
| 03:09.12 | maddash | boswen: maybe. I haven't a clue how that would work, though. |
| 03:09.14 | boswen | i had this experience. i had a binary-cd-1 and a 56k link. with these, i had to set up a wiif link. the binarycd-1 comes with wirelesstools and libw27, and of course no card driver. |
| 03:09.27 | daeos | maddash: did you see my other option? get all 7 cds or get the all in 1 dvd version? and just install that way? |
| 03:09.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | [05:08] <maddash> and how would he get the driver source? or build-essential, in the first place? <--- USB stick? Floppy? CD? |
| 03:09.58 | maddash | daeos: that would be "brute-forcing" it. :P. |
| 03:10.33 | boswen | with my 56k link, i downloaded module-assitant + other things probably build-essentials, and then the driver source and compile it on my machine. |
| 03:10.35 | yigal | Dark_apt: yes of course any of the above, how is he going to get the netinstall cd? |
| 03:10.53 | daeos | maddash: i did it before when i was high-speed-internet-less |
| 03:10.56 | yigal | boswen: yes this is the way |
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| 03:11.15 | yigal | daeos: the dvd over 52k ? |
| 03:11.20 | maddash | daeos: how the heck did you download all 6 CDs? |
| 03:11.23 | yigal | daeos: lol |
| 03:11.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | yigal: Get to an airport or hotel and use their Wi-Fi? |
| 03:12.09 | naught101 | what package provides dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:12.10 | yigal | Dark_Apostrophe: now thats funny, if I didn't have wifi to begin with |
| 03:12.23 | maddash | bowen: best bet is probably a live CD and debootstrap |
| 03:12.39 | maddash | boswen: ---^^^ |
| 03:12.58 | daeos | maddash: had a friend get it for me who had high speed |
| 03:12.58 | daeos | ;) |
| 03:13.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | yigal: Order a CD? :P |
| 03:13.05 | yigal | naught101: debconf |
| 03:13.33 | boswen | maddash, ok, but its always the case when you have to do with what you have on hand and i don't have a livecd. |
| 03:14.23 | maddash | boswen: download it, then. |
| 03:14.52 | boswen | maddash, i had only a 56k link to start with, how long would it take. |
| 03:15.31 | yigal | boswen: are you next to a Uni. they usually have ethernet high speed access in their libraries for free - just get a good firewall |
| 03:15.58 | boswen | yigal, unfortunately no, i am doing it fr home. |
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| 03:16.41 | yigal | boswen - I know you have already told us but what chip do you have for your wireless? |
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| 03:16.57 | boswen | anyway, it has been done and i recall it was quite a hustle. |
| 03:17.05 | cattail | os[Linux 2.6.17-11-generic i686] distro[Debian testing/unstable] cpu[1 x Pentium III (Coppermine) @ 938MHz] mem[Physical : 376MB, 59.3% free] disk[Total : 36.57GB, 74.50% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]] sound[] |
| 03:17.09 | boswen | yigal, rt2500. |
| 03:17.34 | yigal | boswen: that is http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
| 03:17.51 | yigal | boswen: yes? |
| 03:18.07 | yigal | yigal: actually this is what I have used before for this chipset |
| 03:18.16 | boswen | i which i had save it up on a cd so that i can use it to build up more systems this way later on. |
| 03:18.23 | boswen | yigal, yea. |
| 03:18.37 | yigal | you cannot download the packages for build essential ? |
| 03:18.38 | boswen | yigal, debian has rt2500-source. |
| 03:18.53 | yigal | boswen: its too much |
| 03:18.58 | yigal | boswen? |
| 03:19.07 | boswen | yiga1, what is too much. |
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| 03:19.23 | yigal | boswen: build-essential (its a virtual package) |
| 03:19.40 | yigal | boswen: but the packages that make up buil-essential |
| 03:19.47 | yigal | s/uil/uild/ |
| 03:20.11 | boswen | yigal, i think i had to download kernel-header and.or kernel-build. |
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| 03:20.13 | CartoonCats | hello all |
| 03:20.19 | simonrvn | cattail: don't do that please |
| 03:20.22 | yigal | boswen: yes you will have to |
| 03:20.35 | CartoonCats | Is there a wqay to tell what process is attached to what port? |
| 03:20.36 | yigal | boswen: what kind of computer do you have? |
| 03:20.52 | boswen | the thing is, if i do it again, how would i save it up as an installation cd? |
| 03:20.55 | yigal | boswen: someone with similar specs should build one for you and we should see if it works |
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| 03:21.05 | Gmoliv | hi |
| 03:21.15 | Gmoliv | is there any version of automatix to debian etch amd64? |
| 03:21.15 | troubled | :) |
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| 03:21.29 | yigal | boswen: don't worry about that yet just get wifi working right and then what speed will you be at? |
| 03:21.32 | frankr | how can I put restrictions on file access when using scp |
| 03:21.35 | simonrvn | CartoonCats: yes |
| 03:21.40 | simonrvn | a few |
| 03:21.44 | FuzzyB | frankr: unix permissions |
| 03:21.49 | boswen | yigal, mine a 2.6G Pentium 4. |
| 03:21.59 | yigal | frankr: scp only gives as much access as the user who uses scp |
| 03:22.11 | boswen | yigal, i had got it working already. |
| 03:22.12 | yigal | boswen: 1.7G P4 |
| 03:22.20 | yigal | boswen: what happened? |
| 03:22.31 | boswen | it is working fine. |
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| 03:22.38 | yigal | ok, then what is the problem? |
| 03:22.54 | yigal | boswen: excuse me what is it that you want to do? |
| 03:23.01 | yigal | boswen: then? |
| 03:23.05 | CartoonCats | simonrvn: well, got a easy or fav one? |
| 03:23.18 | simonrvn | CartoonCats: one what? :P |
| 03:23.34 | boswen | yigal, i did not make an installation cd out of it. i want to know how, now. |
| 03:23.42 | simonrvn | lsof, netstat are two. iptstate another, indirectly |
| 03:23.50 | troubled | CartoonCats: netstat? |
| 03:24.05 | maddash | 23:18:13 <yigal> yigal: actually this is what I have used before for this chipset <----- haha |
| 03:24.08 | enouf | -tunap |
| 03:24.16 | simonrvn | lsof -n -i :XXX; netstat -pluant |
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| 03:24.37 | simonrvn | er, insert a | grep XXX after that netstat ;) |
| 03:24.42 | CartoonCats | netstat is not showing what process is using what port (at least not what tcp/ip port, just what ones are active) |
| 03:24.53 | enouf | -tunap |
| 03:24.58 | simonrvn | -p switch, need root |
| 03:25.04 | simonrvn | sudo; su; etc. |
| 03:25.25 | jduran | hi friends |
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| 03:25.37 | jduran | hey, I need a download manager |
| 03:25.41 | jduran | what can I use? |
| 03:25.47 | simonrvn | a whatsit? |
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| 03:25.51 | maddash | jduran: wget |
| 03:25.52 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.52 | troubled | ftp works :) |
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| 03:26.01 | yigal | jduran: apt-get or aptitude |
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| 03:26.35 | maddash | yigal: don't be idiotic. how can apt-get/aptitude function as a general download manager? |
| 03:26.35 | yigal | simonrvn: that is funny |
| 03:26.55 | yigal | maddash: when I here download I don't think http ftp |
| 03:27.08 | yigal | maddash: I am idiotic by nature |
| 03:27.09 | daeos | little off topic.... i love it when people call in to their isp and complain about how their wireless service isn't working... and come to find out they've had it for free since september, and want to compalin and wants credit for service not working ;)..... and on top of that, im being nice by not even charging him for the time till now and not charging him install fee.... this call is so so funny |
| 03:27.31 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:27.32 | enouf | wget and curl |
| 03:27.38 | simonrvn | some people's children... |
| 03:27.43 | yigal | curl |
| 03:27.56 | maddash | daeos: you're a ISP phone rep ? |
| 03:27.57 | simonrvn | curl is another excellent one |
| 03:28.07 | daeos | maddash: yep |
| 03:28.22 | daeos | maddash: for time warner cable, i am tier 3 support |
| 03:28.36 | troubled | daeos: isp's allow irc access from the NOC? |
| 03:28.39 | CartoonCats | ok now im confused, heh |
| 03:28.40 | maddash | daeos: have i mentioned how much I loathe time warner's tech support? |
| 03:28.48 | yigal | daeos: that is super scary and you can't install that wifi driver man something is very wrong |
| 03:28.51 | daeos | maddash: i am one of the best techs here |
| 03:28.54 | jduran | thanks |
| 03:28.56 | jduran | so wget |
| 03:28.57 | daeos | yigal: im not in the noc |
| 03:29.16 | enouf | ohno3s not the NOC list .. |
| 03:29.23 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it would matter if you're ssh'ing into an external server to irc |
| 03:29.26 | CartoonCats | lsof shows that port 800 is in use, but doesnt show exactly what is using it, how ever i know its webfsd |
| 03:29.33 | maddash | daeos: i had to re-explain myself eight times just to get you folks to realize that the cable modem was defective |
| 03:29.47 | troubled | dondelelcaro: while your here, apt-get install wtf on dpkg plz? |
| 03:29.50 | daeos | maddash: i am not like the RR help desk |
| 03:29.55 | CartoonCats | but then ps x does not show webfsd running (and yes i do ps x as root) |
| 03:29.59 | daeos | in facti know more than any one here really |
| 03:30.16 | yigal | daeos: that is very humble of you |
| 03:30.18 | enouf | ps aux |
| 03:30.23 | maddash | daeos: isn't "roadrunner" the name of time warner's high speed service? |
| 03:30.30 | daeos | maddash: yea |
| 03:30.32 | daeos | maddash: it is |
| 03:30.39 | daeos | yigal: humble is an understatment |
| 03:30.42 | enouf | auxww even |
| 03:30.51 | yigal | daeos::) |
| 03:30.52 | daeos | yigal: i am very upset at the level of knowledge the nhd has |
| 03:30.59 | CartoonCats | enouf ah that has it (dunno why i forgot aux over x) |
| 03:32.07 | maddash | daeos: know anything about TW's bandwidth cap policies? |
| 03:32.09 | daeos | yigal: just for you to know... in my call center, i am 1 of 3 people who even have 'heard' of linux, let alone even use it |
| 03:32.17 | daeos | maddash: what about them |
| 03:32.20 | dondelelcaro | troubled: ? |
| 03:32.21 | daeos | maddash: 5 GB |
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| 03:32.35 | troubled | dondelelcaro: wtf i think its called for blootbot. watch |
| 03:32.40 | troubled | !wtf TLA |
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| 03:32.42 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:32.51 | CartoonCats | daeos, sounds like a old job i had <shudders at the memory of being a phone tech> |
| 03:32.54 | maddash | daeos: why's my download/upload speed capped @ 100K/20K? |
| 03:33.00 | yigal | daeos: wow, I have Verizon DSL they are not clueless but nearly |
| 03:33.07 | troubled | dondelelcaro: wtf expands acronyms but its a system binary (harmless of course) |
| 03:33.09 | Nyle | you been doin some boozin there have ya, troubled |
| 03:33.20 | troubled | Nyle? |
| 03:33.20 | Nyle | downing grampa's old cough medicine? |
| 03:33.27 | daeos | CartoonCats: oh... i bet its worse here... |
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| 03:33.38 | yigal | troubled: thats funny |
| 03:33.41 | daeos | maddash: do you have rr lite |
| 03:33.54 | maddash | daeos: no. the triple play thing. |
| 03:33.59 | troubled | yigal: whats that? wtf tla? :) |
| 03:34.10 | dondelelcaro | troubled: yeah, I forgot that I had removed bsdgames |
| 03:34.12 | maddash | daeos: the one that sucks $120 out of my wallet per month |
| 03:34.19 | daeos | maddash: triple play can have... d1000(tv)/dp local/rr lite |
| 03:34.29 | daeos | maddash: lol |
| 03:34.29 | CartoonCats | daeos: Im sure it is, I did windows support for 3 weeks and RAN from that job (I still do windows support but phone support is just evil) |
| 03:34.30 | troubled | dondelelcaro: ah sorry, perhaps thats where it was from. my bad. |
| 03:34.32 | daeos | maddash: i get it for free |
| 03:34.46 | dondelelcaro | !wtf tla |
| 03:34.48 | dpkg | TLA: three letter acronym |
| 03:34.49 | yigal | troubled: "wtf expands the acronyms but its a system binary (harmless of course)" works so well without context |
| 03:34.55 | Nyle | CartoonCats we've all had shitty jobs at some point in our lives |
| 03:34.56 | troubled | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:35.14 | Nyle | but we gotta eat right |
| 03:35.17 | Nyle | just do it. |
| 03:35.23 | troubled | yigal: hehe |
| 03:35.30 | daeos | maddash: get your bill and see if you pay 26.95 for rr |
| 03:35.31 | maddash | daeos: rr lite is advertised to be "up to 1Mbps" --- don't you think 0.10 Mbps is a rip-off? |
| 03:35.42 | daeos | maddash: lite is 768k |
| 03:35.49 | CartoonCats | Nyle, likely, i just wish it were only "at some point" and not "still" for me =-) |
| 03:35.58 | daeos | maddash: 96kbps ... right around your alley |
| 03:35.59 | Nyle | i can't afford fast internet |
| 03:36.04 | maddash | daeos: 100 K is a far cry from 768K |
| 03:36.14 | daeos | 768k bits |
| 03:36.15 | ubd | hack google adsense nyle! |
| 03:36.22 | ubd | get rich :P |
| 03:36.24 | Nyle | i use 768kbps down |
| 03:36.24 | daeos | 8 = 96 kbytes |
| 03:36.29 | yigal | 768/8 |
| 03:36.30 | Nyle | cheapest internet package from rr |
| 03:36.32 | daeos | yep |
| 03:36.39 | daeos | 96 kpbs |
| 03:36.43 | daeos | kbps* |
| 03:36.45 | Nyle | its still fast enough |
| 03:36.51 | Nyle | I don't download warez |
| 03:36.52 | Nyle | so... |
| 03:37.00 | maddash | daeos: you're not paying attention -- i'm getting 100 kilobits per second |
| 03:37.07 | daeos | maddash: yes i am |
| 03:37.19 | daeos | maddash: oh 100kbits |
| 03:37.24 | yigal | 100 kilobits sucks |
| 03:37.25 | enouf | kB !=kb |
| 03:37.33 | daeos | '/8 = ? |
| 03:37.41 | troubled | yes daeos |
| 03:37.46 | yigal | daeos: no 100 kilobits . |
| 03:37.59 | maddash | "23:37:16 <daeos> maddash: oh 100kbits" <--- wonder what that says about TW's tech support |
| 03:38.01 | Nyle | should start using *ibi bit/byte in everyday language |
| 03:38.07 | Nyle | to ease the confusion |
| 03:38.11 | troubled | yigal: he mean divide that by 8, which is accurate. least i understood what he meant :) |
| 03:38.16 | yigal | its very misleading |
| 03:38.20 | daeos | maddash: yeah im telling you |
| 03:38.55 | yigal | bits / bytes you say tomato I say blt same thing |
| 03:39.10 | Nyle | no |
| 03:39.11 | enouf | !wtf |
| 03:39.12 | maddash | daeos: put in a good word for me, if you can. haha. |
| 03:39.19 | enouf | !wtf wtf |
| 03:39.21 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 03:39.25 | maddash | enouf: what's with the constant wtf-ing? |
| 03:39.26 | daeos | maddash: ... |
| 03:39.36 | Nyle | what with useless factoid spam? |
| 03:39.41 | daeos | maddash: you are in ny ? |
| 03:39.49 | maddash | daeos: 11361. |
| 03:39.53 | troubled | Nyle: new command enabled. im sure was just a test :) |
| 03:40.03 | Nyle | 11364 here |
| 03:40.04 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:40.07 | Nyle | bayside |
| 03:40.08 | troubled | how else you think were so handy with dpkg here :) |
| 03:40.24 | Nyle | high |
| 03:40.26 | yigal | im from land of fruits and nuts |
| 03:40.44 | enouf | troubled: not after seeing yoshi1 last comment about bits v bytes ..lol |
| 03:40.45 | Nyle | letmeguess |
| 03:40.50 | Nyle | san francisco |
| 03:40.52 | enouf | er yigal |
| 03:40.56 | Nyle | lots of fruits there |
| 03:40.59 | Nyle | and nuts |
| 03:41.04 | troubled | np |
| 03:41.12 | yigal | viva la diferance |
| 03:41.18 | yigal | or what ever |
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| 03:41.38 | yigal | hey stoned |
| 03:41.41 | troubled | !stoned |
| 03:41.42 | stoned | hi |
| 03:41.44 | HYPOCRISY | sup |
| 03:41.47 | enouf | someone here works for HDD manu .. |
| 03:41.57 | stoned | oh my website is down atm |
| 03:42.11 | stoned | I got my laptop hooked up,should update my domain entries |
| 03:42.13 | daeos | maddash: have you tried to have someone ping your ip to see if there is packet los? |
| 03:42.41 | yigal | maddash: what about all those cheezy test your speed sites? |
| 03:42.42 | enouf | !aolify maddash |
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| 03:42.47 | troubled | !stoned =~ s/gently/slightly/ |
| 03:42.47 | dpkg | OK, troubled |
| 03:42.53 | troubled | stoned ;) |
| 03:43.01 | stoned | dude it doesn't matter |
| 03:43.09 | daeos | maddash: try speedtest.net |
| 03:43.10 | troubled | just playin heh |
| 03:43.24 | stoned | slightly gently harshly vigorously |
| 03:43.27 | stoned | its all the same |
| 03:44.14 | yigal | stoned: stoned the acronym man |
| 03:44.14 | enouf | why does John kerry sound like Mr Ed. |
| 03:44.16 | stoned | why did kerry king shave his head? |
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| 03:44.17 | enouf | w i l b u rrrr |
| 03:44.32 | stoned | tonight, #debian is full of retards |
| 03:44.36 | Rusty1 | 749 on #debian and all we get is stoned fruits and nuts - life is good |
| 03:44.57 | yigal | if Britney Spears can shave here head why not |
| 03:45.01 | troubled | Rusty1: its about the community :) |
| 03:45.10 | enouf | <sighs> alongside the pseudo-stoned |
| 03:45.30 | stoned | pseudo, nigg I was BORN stoned |
| 03:45.36 | stoned | pish tosh |
| 03:45.45 | daeos | i guess maddash left |
| 03:45.54 | yigal | stoned: I was born a stoned nut |
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| 03:46.05 | stoned | yeh.. i am gonna idle |
| 03:46.12 | stoned | this is fucking ridiculously lame |
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| 03:46.21 | yigal | lame as in mp3 |
| 03:46.25 | yigal | thats cool |
| 03:46.33 | yigal | except mp3 sucks |
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| 03:46.38 | frankr | go vorbis |
| 03:46.43 | stoned | !popcon |
| 03:46.43 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 03:46.45 | theblue | what's wrong with mp3? |
| 03:46.48 | ubd | go flac! |
| 03:46.53 | theblue | vorbis is awesome, as is flac. |
| 03:47.03 | ubd | flac ftw |
| 03:47.05 | theblue | But I'd say that each format has its own merits and drawbacks. |
| 03:47.17 | ubd | flac has no cons |
| 03:47.21 | yigal | except mp3 that sucks |
| 03:47.21 | theblue | larger file size. |
| 03:47.27 | theblue | yigal, what makes mp3 suck? |
| 03:47.29 | ubd | get a hdd! |
| 03:47.34 | troubled | ubd: little support in commercial players |
| 03:47.36 | stoned | my back hurts |
| 03:47.37 | stoned | ow |
| 03:47.43 | stoned | rahul you here |
| 03:47.48 | yigal | theblue: jj, the proprietary ideology insists that mp3 sucks |
| 03:47.50 | stoned | abrotman ? |
| 03:47.52 | ubd | thats right |
| 03:48.11 | theblue | yigal, Uh, ok. |
| 03:48.23 | ubd | troubled: have the flacs convert to mp3@v0-v2 for players |
| 03:48.37 | stoned | yeh its like "my opinion is better than yours." |
| 03:48.38 | troubled | still a drawback, extra work :) |
| 03:48.47 | stoned | just like my gods dick is bigger than your gods dick. |
| 03:48.51 | stoned | kids. |
| 03:48.58 | theblue | stoned, agreed. |
| 03:49.05 | yigal | stoned: my god has 100 dicks so I don't care |
| 03:49.11 | troubled | heh |
| 03:49.18 | troubled | must be indian |
| 03:49.18 | theblue | pastafarianism ftw! |
| 03:50.18 | troubled | was thinking Ganeesh but meh. i suck at jokes, so sue me :) |
| 03:50.30 | stoned | Debian sucks. |
| 03:50.44 | yigal | stoned: stunned |
| 03:51.01 | stoned | yes |
| 03:51.04 | stoned | let us discuss debian |
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| 03:51.17 | yigal | what aspects |
| 03:51.27 | yigal | what dimensions? |
| 03:51.29 | stoned | yigal convince me that it doesn't suck |
| 03:51.33 | daeos | how about my issue with my netgear ;) |
| 03:51.40 | stoned | daeos whats the problem? |
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| 03:51.48 | stoned | daeos more than likely #networking |
| 03:51.56 | stoned | try for assistance there |
| 03:52.02 | yigal | stoned: it uses a 2.6.18 kernel when every other major distribution uses 2.6.20? |
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| 03:52.15 | stoned | netgear router running debian? |
| 03:52.16 | Rusty1 | that there are not alot of ubuntards asking newbie questions in here suggests otherwise |
| 03:52.24 | daeos | not router |
| 03:52.30 | stoned | wifi card? |
| 03:52.32 | yigal | Rusty1: that is a problem |
| 03:52.40 | xTERMiNATOR | My swap partition is 100% free and my RAM is getting cached. |
| 03:52.41 | daeos | yigal is familiar with my 'issue' |
| 03:52.50 | stoned | xTERMiNATOR its normal |
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| 03:53.00 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: your a funny man |
| 03:53.05 | stoned | xTERMiNATOR linux kernel caches stuff in memory |
| 03:53.06 | xTERMiNATOR | stoned: :) |
| 03:53.08 | stoned | unlike windows |
| 03:53.16 | daeos | im trying to install my netgear wg111 using prism2_usb drivers |
| 03:53.19 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: how large is your swap ? |
| 03:53.22 | stoned | if swap is not used, you have plenty of ram. its ok |
| 03:53.28 | xTERMiNATOR | stoned: Anyway to change this? Or is this the best way to use it? |
| 03:53.31 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: you probably just need to increase it |
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| 03:53.41 | daeos | here is the 'manual' that tells me how to do it, and im stuck at one spot |
| 03:53.43 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: the swap |
| 03:53.45 | daeos | ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/README |
| 03:53.46 | xTERMiNATOR | My swap is 1.5 GB |
| 03:54.00 | stoned | xTERMiNATOR more than enough |
| 03:54.05 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: that is interesting, do you use suspend |
| 03:54.07 | yigal | ? |
| 03:54.09 | xTERMiNATOR | And RAM is 1 GB. |
| 03:54.10 | ubd | swap is near useless if you dont use it |
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| 03:54.21 | stoned | xTERMiNATOR read about how the linux kernel manages memory at kernel.org or the tldp kernel documentation |
| 03:54.23 | stoned | etc. |
| 03:54.23 | xTERMiNATOR | yigal: No. I don't use anything like that. |
| 03:54.31 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: is it being cleared on reboot? |
| 03:54.40 | xTERMiNATOR | yigal: The swap? |
| 03:54.47 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: yes of course |
| 03:54.56 | xTERMiNATOR | By the way, I had some trouble yesterday. My HDD got full. |
| 03:54.56 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: it should |
| 03:55.05 | xTERMiNATOR | But on reboot it got cleared off 4 GB! |
| 03:55.18 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: wow what are you doing, taking a lot of logs? |
| 03:55.25 | stoned | 2.6.18 can handle 4gb of ram? |
| 03:55.28 | xTERMiNATOR | yigal: No. |
| 03:55.35 | stoned | mine never registered more than 2 |
| 03:55.48 | stoned | .20+ can however register all 4 gigs |
| 03:55.51 | xTERMiNATOR | stoned: It's not the RAM this time. This time it is the HDD. |
| 03:55.53 | yigal | stoned: yes, yes our kernel may be 2 months old but it can handle a lot more than 4gb of ram |
| 03:56.07 | xTERMiNATOR | Got 100% used, but it was cleared during reboot. |
| 03:56.17 | yigal | xTERMiNATOR: how large is your HD |
| 03:56.22 | stoned | xTERMiNATOR are you trolling? |
| 03:56.23 | xTERMiNATOR | The / partition? |
| 03:56.30 | xTERMiNATOR | Trolling? |
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| 03:56.38 | stoned | nm |
| 03:56.49 | xTERMiNATOR | the / partition is 17 GB. |
| 03:56.53 | yigal | stoned: your paranoid stop smoking |
| 03:56.57 | troubled | stoned: trolls are immune to that question, you should know that ;) |
| 03:57.20 | xTERMiNATOR | troubled: should be troubled. Aren;t you? |
| 03:57.25 | \amethyst | :h hex-editing |
| 03:57.27 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:57.34 | stoned | this is way too much faggotry in #debian tonight |
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| 03:57.44 | xTERMiNATOR | I was doing some x86 in MASM under dosemu. |
| 03:57.55 | xTERMiNATOR | Can that be the reason for the HDD fill? |
| 03:58.10 | stoned | fuck it |
| 03:58.12 | stoned | im out |
| 03:58.12 | stoned | peace |
| 03:58.17 | yigal | stoned: I agree should we talk about how we ssh'ed into a vpn and then played with mysql for hours until the database was handed over to the DOD? |
| 03:58.18 | troubled | l8r |
| 03:58.42 | yigal | stoned: poor dude |
| 03:58.44 | enouf | !sunday |
| 03:58.44 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:58.50 | theblue | !saturday |
| 03:58.51 | dpkg | it has been said that saturday is Tardsday Eve |
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| 03:58.56 | theblue | !friday |
| 03:58.56 | dpkg | i guess friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 03:59.00 | theblue | lol |
| 03:59.01 | xoz | xTERMiNATOR: are you sure your swap is active? |
| 03:59.03 | theblue | !thursday |
| 03:59.03 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 03:59.05 | enouf | and dang with that Z nick! |
| 03:59.05 | yigal | dpkg: its too much I really don't enjoy trolls |
| 03:59.09 | enouf | er X |
| 03:59.15 | theblue | !wednesday |
| 03:59.15 | dpkg | it has been said that wednesday is see thursday |
| 03:59.15 | xTERMiNATOR | xoz: Oh! No idea how to check that. |
| 03:59.16 | yigal | waiste of f*()) time |
| 03:59.19 | theblue | !tuesday |
| 03:59.20 | dpkg | [tuesday] soylent green day |
| 03:59.24 | theblue | Ewww/. |
| 03:59.27 | theblue | !monday |
| 03:59.27 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 03:59.30 | theblue | Ok, I'm done. |
| 03:59.43 | yigal | dpkg: I am a vegetarian but I am more than willing for a bit of soylent green |
| 03:59.52 | xoz | xTERMiNATOR: swapon /dev/<partition> to make sure it's enabled and check mem again |
| 03:59.56 | daeos | yigal: yuk |
| 04:00.04 | xTERMiNATOR | xoz: Ok. |
| 04:00.05 | yigal | daeos: what? |
| 04:00.09 | enouf | cat /proc/swaps |
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| 04:00.15 | daeos | yigal: processed people |
| 04:00.33 | enouf | !nickometer xTERMiNATOR |
| 04:00.35 | dpkg | 'xTERMiNATOR' is 99.9006% lame, enouf |
| 04:00.40 | yigal | daeos: mmmh nothing better |
| 04:00.59 | yigal | daeos: its all about beans and rice until I have to eat a human |
| 04:01.05 | enouf | ewww .. flooding my screen w/caps and shit |
| 04:01.13 | chewy | what do i have to do to get mozzilla-mplayer plugin?...its not in my repositories |
| 04:01.21 | xTERMiNATOR | xoz: No sawpon command found. |
| 04:01.24 | daeos | yigal: i'd rather eat some leaves |
| 04:01.26 | xTERMiNATOR | ^swapon |
| 04:01.26 | yigal | ban xTERMiNATOR |
| 04:01.38 | yigal | no thats cruel |
| 04:01.42 | chewy | i have main contrib and nonfree in my source list |
| 04:01.43 | simonrvn | it's in /sbin... |
| 04:01.52 | xoz | xTERMiNATOR: that's stupid. it should be there. sudo root or su root |
| 04:01.57 | xTERMiNATOR | Ok. So I think I should never have been here just to get flamed! |
| 04:02.11 | yigal | sounds good TERMINATOR |
| 04:02.15 | enouf | just change the annoying silly nick |
| 04:02.32 | troubled | seems stoned called that one a mile away, poor Mr. Asm havin problems :( |
| 04:02.35 | enouf | cap locks suck ass |
| 04:02.36 | xTERMiNATOR | enouf: ok |
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| 04:03.16 | Gmoliv | ok |
| 04:03.21 | Gmoliv | i want firefox back :/ |
| 04:03.24 | yigal | YAY |
| 04:03.25 | enouf | debianisgood: much better ;-) |
| 04:03.30 | Gmoliv | how can i get it in debian 4 ? |
| 04:03.57 | xoz | Gmoliv: !tell Gmoliv about iceweasel |
| 04:03.58 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.01 | enouf | !tell Gmoliv about di |
| 04:04.05 | debianisgood | Output for cat /proc/swaps |
| 04:04.06 | debianisgood | /dev/sda6 partition 976460 0 -1 |
| 04:04.06 | debianisgood | /dev/sdb1 partition 522072 0 -2 |
| 04:04.15 | enouf | heh |
| 04:04.21 | theblue | Why is it iceweasel, again? |
| 04:04.30 | yigal | because of the logo |
| 04:04.31 | enouf | debianisgood: do NOT paste like that in the channel please |
| 04:04.45 | theblue | yigal, are you serious? |
| 04:04.51 | yigal | theblue: yes |
| 04:04.53 | xoz | !tell theblue about why iceweasel |
| 04:04.57 | theblue | good god. |
| 04:05.07 | yigal | theblue: :) funny yes |
| 04:05.12 | Gmoliv | well |
| 04:05.21 | debianisgood | enouf: Just two lines |
| 04:05.23 | enouf | theblue: security issues, and mozilla/ff suck on donkey genetalia |
| 04:05.24 | Gmoliv | :/ |
| 04:05.27 | daeos | yigal: eating leaves is cruel? |
| 04:05.37 | daeos | yigal: oh yeah.. plants have feelings too |
| 04:05.39 | theblue | why hasn't anyone stepped back at all this, and said, "This is absolutely fucking ridiculous |
| 04:05.40 | yigal | ian murdock in his blog said the right thing about firefox/iceweasel put firefox in the non-free repository |
| 04:05.43 | theblue | why hasn't anyone stepped back at all this, and said, "This is absolutely fucking ridiculous!"? |
| 04:05.44 | enouf | debianisgood: 1 lines too many |
| 04:05.46 | debianisgood | So what can it be? |
| 04:05.53 | xoz | theblue: stop trolling |
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| 04:06.08 | theblue | xoz, Sorry, didn't mean to troll. |
| 04:06.11 | \amethyst | theblue: Lots of people have said that, but the problem Debian and Mozilla have to say that at the same time :) |
| 04:06.22 | \amethyst | s/problem/\& is/ |
| 04:06.33 | yigal | ian murdock already spelled out an answer ? |
| 04:06.35 | theblue | \amethyst, Now *that* makes sense. |
| 04:07.01 | xoz | debianisgood: try not running dosemu and check if you still have that problem. |
| 04:07.13 | xoz | xoz: vmstat |
| 04:07.13 | Gmoliv | should i go back to genetic i386? |
| 04:07.23 | xoz | debianisgood: vmstat |
| 04:07.24 | xoz | heh |
| 04:07.26 | debianisgood | xoz: Oh! No other way? |
| 04:07.28 | debianisgood | Ok. |
| 04:07.37 | Gmoliv | s/genetic/generic |
| 04:07.39 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: back from what? |
| 04:07.45 | debianisgood | swpd: 0 |
| 04:07.47 | xoz | debianisgood: this is to isolate the cause. |
| 04:07.49 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, amd64 |
| 04:07.57 | debianisgood | cache: 207932 |
| 04:07.58 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: Do you care about running proprietary software? |
| 04:08.09 | debianisgood | buff: 30420 |
| 04:08.10 | Gmoliv | not always |
| 04:08.17 | xoz | debianisgood: you already used swapon? |
| 04:08.21 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: Flash, latest Java, etc? |
| 04:08.22 | debianisgood | Yes. |
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| 04:08.40 | debianisgood | swapon the swap drive or the / ? |
| 04:08.40 | xoz | debianisgood: uname -a. tell us what is the output |
| 04:08.44 | stoned_ | heh. |
| 04:08.49 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i miss codecs and things like that right now |
| 04:08.52 | xoz | debianisgood: swap drive |
| 04:08.54 | yigal | \amethyst: do you care about proprietary? |
| 04:09.01 | debianisgood | Linux alanhaggai 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:09.04 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, automatix is not ready to etch amd64 |
| 04:09.12 | yigal | Gmoliv: you cannot use flash/java with amd64? |
| 04:09.31 | Gmoliv | yigal, i cant run automatix2 |
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| 04:09.45 | yigal | Gmoliv: but you cannot use flash/java? |
| 04:09.53 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: usually it's possible to get things running in a 32-bit chroot, sometimes even with just ia32-libs |
| 04:10.34 | yigal | Gmoliv: I suggest what \amethyst has said |
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| 04:10.53 | troubled | \amethyst: curious, *ding*methyst? |
| 04:11.25 | \amethyst | troubled: I'm a LaTeX command, or the beginning of a lambda-expression in haskell |
| 04:11.35 | troubled | ah |
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| 04:11.48 | yigal | \amethyst: what is \amethyst in latex? |
| 04:12.01 | yigal | \amethyst: I am to lazy to type a new document tonight |
| 04:12.19 | debianisgood | xoz: free was the command I used to check to see the swap space. |
| 04:12.22 | xoz | debianisgood: where did you get this kernel? |
| 04:12.22 | Gmoliv | yigal, \amethyst, how do i do that ? |
| 04:12.24 | \amethyst | yigal: you have to define it |
| 04:12.33 | debianisgood | xoz: From Debian Etch. |
| 04:12.42 | yigal | \amethyst: ah ha clever |
| 04:12.42 | Gmoliv | (do you have a guide to install codecs, personalize things and etc? i'd apreciate that) |
| 04:12.49 | yigal | good night thats it no brain left |
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| 04:12.54 | \amethyst | yigal: \newcommand{\amethyst}[1]{\textcolor{purple}{#1}} maybe |
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| 04:13.00 | xoz | debianisgood: dosemu is working right now? |
| 04:13.07 | debianisgood | yes |
| 04:13.38 | xoz | debianisgood: and swap is not used? how large again is your ram? |
| 04:13.47 | De_Mon | I just did a aptitude update rtorrent from sid and it failed to update libtorrent10 (got a symbol error) |
| 04:13.55 | De_Mon | (when starting rtorrent) |
| 04:13.57 | debianisgood | xoz: Swap isn't used. RAM is 1 GB. |
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| 04:14.14 | enouf | De_Mon: weong command |
| 04:14.19 | enouf | er wrong |
| 04:14.26 | \amethyst | dpkg, 32-bit chroot is one way to install 32-bit programs on the amd64 architecture, see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 |
| 04:14.26 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 04:14.27 | De_Mon | upgrade then |
| 04:14.33 | xoz | debianisgood: cfdisk and check if the swap drive is really of type swap |
| 04:14.38 | enouf | De_Mon: strike two ;-) |
| 04:14.42 | De_Mon | install? |
| 04:14.48 | enouf | Ding ding ding |
| 04:15.00 | De_Mon | ah. that would make sense |
| 04:15.19 | De_Mon | thank you for fixing this buggy user |
| 04:15.25 | enouf | De_Mon: apt-show-versions <pkg> will show you if it's upgradeable (according to your sources.list repos) |
| 04:15.39 | debianisgood | xoz: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
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| 04:16.14 | debianisgood | xoz: How to check the current swap drive? |
| 04:16.23 | xoz | debianisgood: yep. the drive for swap is not usable. |
| 04:16.33 | xoz | debianisgood: that's why it never used it. |
| 04:16.42 | debianisgood | Oh I see. |
| 04:16.49 | xoz | debianisgood: what partition is swap? |
| 04:17.00 | De_Mon | im not really sure I was using upgrade vs install today. I blame lack of sleep |
| 04:17.02 | debianisgood | xoz: I need to check that. How do I? |
| 04:17.31 | De_Mon | thanks again #debian you guys are awesome (take that you #debian haters) |
| 04:17.34 | xoz | debianisgood: cfdisk should mark it swap. |
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| 04:18.13 | debianisgood | xoz: So it might be the swap that has got the error. Right? |
| 04:18.22 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, will i have to install a etch basic system ? i mean, new kernel [...]? and what happens if the i386 kernel doesn't support my sound drivers? |
| 04:18.47 | xoz | debianisgood: it might be that the partition for swap is not properly created. |
| 04:18.53 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: no kernel |
| 04:19.04 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: 64-bit kernel can run 32-bit applications |
| 04:19.14 | xoz | debianisgood: did you upgrade to etch or install it? |
| 04:19.20 | debianisgood | xoz: So can I do a format of the swap space now and then recreate? |
| 04:19.28 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: you will be installing most every other base package in the chroot, though |
| 04:19.36 | debianisgood | xoz: I did a fresh install. |
| 04:20.00 | xoz | debianisgood: swapon formats it and mount it for usage. make sure /etc/fstab entry points to the correct swap partition. |
| 04:20.14 | debianisgood | Ok. |
| 04:20.18 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, and everytime i run a 32 bits app it will "boot up" a parallel base system, with means lots of memory being used? |
| 04:20.23 | \amethyst | dpkg: no, 32-bit chroot is at http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 04:20.23 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 04:20.56 | debianisgood | xoz: Can I do a two line paste? |
| 04:21.17 | xoz | debianisgood: in #flood |
| 04:21.28 | debianisgood | ok. |
| 04:21.30 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: It's the same system, they just have different views of the filesystem. However, there will be two copies of libc loaded, as well as other libraries the packages depend on |
| 04:22.17 | ivx | can anyone tell me the command to make a symlink? |
| 04:22.34 | \amethyst | ivx: ln -s target link |
| 04:22.47 | debianisgood | xoz: So can you help me format the swap? I don't know how to. |
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| 04:23.00 | \amethyst | ivx: Note that, if target is relative, it is interpreted relative to link's directory, not the current directory |
| 04:23.00 | xoz | debianisgood: which partition you are sure works? |
| 04:23.09 | HYPOCRISY | Hello |
| 04:23.18 | xoz | debianisgood: swapon /dev/sda6 |
| 04:23.26 | xoz | debianisgood: swapon /dev/sdb1 |
| 04:23.31 | debianisgood | xoz: Will format both of them. |
| 04:23.35 | ivx | \amethyst, i didn't understand that |
| 04:23.43 | xoz | debianisgood: yes and mounts it as swap |
| 04:23.43 | debianisgood | xoz: As I am not sure of which one. |
| 04:23.57 | debianisgood | xoz: Ok. But how to format it from Debian? |
| 04:24.31 | xoz | debianisgood: swapon formats it. use cfdist to change it to swap type... not linux or vfat. |
| 04:24.40 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, isn't the ia32-libs method enought for me ? |
| 04:24.41 | xoz | *cfdisk |
| 04:24.52 | \amethyst | ivx: If you type ln -s ../foo /some/subdir/link then the link will point to /some/foo |
| 04:24.59 | xoz | debianisgood: did you upgade or install etch? |
| 04:25.01 | debianisgood | xoz: I will try that and be back. |
| 04:25.08 | debianisgood | xoz: I installed it. |
| 04:25.29 | \amethyst | ivx: or ln -s foo /tmp/link creates a link called /tmp/link to the file /tmp/foo, *not* the file foo in the current directory |
| 04:25.39 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i'm not a "complete newbie" in computers, but the only things i know in linux are related to servers (i work as network administrator) |
| 04:25.47 | xoz | debianisgood: ok. just make sure the drive for swap is working. just focus on what swap partition first. |
| 04:25.53 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, sry about "so many" questions |
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| 04:26.03 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: it depends on whether there are ia32libs versions of all the libraries you need |
| 04:26.09 | xoz | debianisgood: *one swap partition |
| 04:26.16 | debianisgood | xoz: Ok. A great thanks for sparing your time and helping me. :) |
| 04:26.24 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: it still involves loading multiple library copies etc |
| 04:26.32 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: the chroot method is cleaner in the long run |
| 04:26.38 | \amethyst | imho |
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| 04:27.19 | Gmoliv | ok |
| 04:27.30 | Gmoliv | so let's face the schroot monster :) |
| 04:28.12 | ivx | \amethyst, okay i understood that, so then if i need to make a symlink from /usr/bin/convert to /var/www/bin/ how could i do that? |
| 04:28.59 | \amethyst | ivx: you want to create a symlink called /var/www/bin/convert? |
| 04:29.35 | ivx | yes from /usr/bin/convert |
| 04:29.53 | \amethyst | ivx: There are two ways. one is ln -s /usr/bin/convert /var/www/bin The other is ln -s ../../../usr/bin/convert /var/www/bin |
| 04:30.05 | Gmoliv | ln -s /usr/bin/convert /var/www/bin |
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| 04:30.18 | kenboo | oops.. |
| 04:30.31 | \amethyst | ivx: the only difference between the two is when you are in the chroot, or when you have mounted the filesystem somewhere other than normal |
| 04:30.36 | \amethyst | s/the/a/ |
| 04:32.02 | \amethyst | ivx: in either of those, you could say /var/www/bin/convert instead of /var/www/bin |
| 04:32.16 | ivx | \amethyst, and it would make the same thing? |
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| 04:32.38 | ivx | okay yes it did |
| 04:34.17 | ivx | \amethyst, thank you |
| 04:34.21 | \amethyst | ivx: yes, if you name a directory, it creates the link in that directory with the same name as the target |
| 04:36.25 | daeos | !quiet |
| 04:37.06 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, debootstrap returns nothing o.O |
| 04:37.11 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, is it normal? |
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| 04:37.29 | Gmoliv | # debootstrap -arch i386 etch /var/etch-386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 04:37.29 | Gmoliv | # |
| 04:37.33 | daeos | man.... im having an issue with linux-wlan-ng and there isn't a soul in their main irc channel ... this is sad |
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| 04:42.08 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, ok, you don't need to answer, i found my *little* error :D |
| 04:42.15 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: --arch ? :) |
| 04:42.24 | Gmoliv | haha exactly |
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| 04:44.06 | dragonfly | hello all |
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| 04:45.21 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: that error probably made a spurious ./i386/ directory |
| 04:46.51 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, yes, with a debootstrap.log |
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| 04:48.04 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i'm with another problem, when i mount a ntfs partition (my windows partition) only root can access that, my user can't. |
| 04:48.43 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i granted permission 777 to the dir i mounted the system, but it didn't work |
| 04:48.55 | xoz | !tell Gmoliv about vfatrw |
| 04:48.55 | Gmoliv | I: Base system installed successfully. |
| 04:48.59 | xoz | Gmoliv: similar idea |
| 04:49.23 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: you need to mount with the options fmask=133,dmask=022 (to make files 644 and directories 755) |
| 04:49.50 | Gmoliv | thanks again :) |
| 04:49.58 | xoz | !read-ntfs |
| 04:49.59 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 04:50.03 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: alternatively, you can mount with uid=gmoliv so that the user owns everything |
| 04:50.16 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: you might want to look at ntfs-3g if you want write support |
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| 04:50.40 | Gmoliv | is write support working with no problems now? |
| 04:50.56 | xoz | Gmoliv: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 04:51.02 | Gmoliv | it used to get in trouble with my partitions o.O |
| 04:51.09 | Gmoliv | xoz, ok, ty |
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| 04:53.44 | christof | Hi guys |
| 04:54.13 | daeos | gn all |
| 04:54.21 | dererk | same to you |
| 04:54.30 | christof | I have a apache prob on debian. Every sunday morning I have apache2 down. Nobody have the same problem? |
| 04:54.50 | Gnea | christof: what time does it go down? |
| 04:54.52 | daeos | i have apache 2 also |
| 04:54.55 | daeos | and it does not go down |
| 04:56.25 | christof | Gnea: about 4:25 GMT , I m thinking about a syslog problem |
| 04:56.36 | daeos | gn all again..... |
| 04:56.49 | dererk | christof, it might be the weekly rotation |
| 04:57.11 | christof | dererk: How can I launch manually a weekly rotation? |
| 04:57.41 | christof | I m not familiar with the syslog :s |
| 04:57.45 | dererk | sorry, I meant a weekly cron job |
| 04:58.11 | Gnea | christof: check out /etc/cron.weekly/ |
| 04:58.25 | dererk | do you have weekly cron jobs scheduled? |
| 04:59.01 | dererk | grr, scheduled * |
| 04:59.10 | christof | dererk: in the cron.weekly I have sysklogd man-db and lpr |
| 04:59.23 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, the guide u sent me, says to use /llb |
| 04:59.26 | christof | no cron manually in the crontab |
| 04:59.41 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, /llb doesn't exist :S |
| 04:59.47 | xoz | christof: checked the logs of apache? |
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| 05:00.06 | dererk | christof, Ok, as apache rotates on it's own, it's now what I supposed |
| 05:00.15 | FX|Laptop | hello can someone give me a hand? |
| 05:00.21 | christof | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.27 | dererk | Uhm |
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| 05:00.42 | dererk | that doesn't sound nice |
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| 05:00.49 | FX|Laptop | I have etch installed across to hdd's. the first 30 gig hdd has /swap and /. The second hdd has my /home. When I boot I get a error 22. |
| 05:00.55 | frankr | what can I use to convert some rmvb files to ogg theora or xvid? |
| 05:01.04 | FX|Laptop | If I use a kubuntu cd and boot from the first hdd it boots fine. |
| 05:01.04 | frankr | it seems as if nothing on my system can play it |
| 05:01.13 | christof | this is not possible to simule a weekly rotation? |
| 05:01.15 | dererk | FX|Laptop, what type is your root partition ( / ) |
| 05:01.27 | FX|Laptop | rieserfs |
| 05:01.35 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: which guide? the debian-administration page, or the HOW-TO? |
| 05:01.42 | wols | FX|Laptop: fix your grub |
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| 05:01.43 | Gmoliv | debian-administration |
| 05:01.59 | dererk | christof, I certainly don't know :/ |
| 05:02.04 | FX|Laptop | well I'm vnc'ed into the machine now. How do I do that? lol |
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| 05:02.37 | wols | FX|Laptop: reinstall grub |
| 05:02.50 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: I don't see "llb" anywhere in the document |
| 05:03.02 | wols | and if you boot from a kubuntu CD, it won't use frim hdd, so it doesn't work either |
| 05:03.07 | christof | ok I found |
| 05:03.10 | FX|Laptop | ok, but how do I go that? sorry but kind of new to problems like this. |
| 05:03.22 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: sure it's not "lib"? |
| 05:03.36 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, nevermind, it's the font that seems like "llb" |
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| 05:03.47 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: The debootstrap thing from the amd64 page is probably better than setting up the stuff by hand |
| 05:04.02 | maddash | hm, isn't there some way to detect a spoofed mac address? |
| 05:04.53 | christof | I found the prob not how to resolve it \o/ , In fact when I launch logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf my apache2 is killed and ps -ef show me : sh -c ???if [ -f /var/run/apache2.pid ]; then ??? /etc/init.d/apache2 restart > /dev/null ????ifi? sh /var/log/apache2/*.log |
| 05:05.25 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i'm not sure i understood that... you're saying that use the other site is better then use the debian-administrator guide? |
| 05:05.39 | \amethyst | maddash: you mean tell whether a host is reporting the MAC address that the vendor used or a different one? |
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| 05:06.51 | xoz | christof: is this a bug? file a bug report. |
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| 05:07.14 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: The AMD64 HOW-TO is somewhat more "official" |
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| 05:07.23 | konrad_ | Hey guys... I've got two CD drives, but both are being linked to hdc... Any tips of how I can fix it? Here is the output from `dmesg | grep hd`: http://pastebin.ca/452309 |
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| 05:08.44 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, ok, i'll follow it then, but can i follow the "Making it work transparently from within your 64-bit system" chapter of debian-administrator after that? |
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| 05:08.55 | christof | xoz: dunno how to do ,, I never report Bug on debian , In other way I need to resolve the prob asap because server is in production |
| 05:09.06 | konrad_ | enouf: here it goes: http://pastebin.ca/452311 |
| 05:09.10 | christof | may be changing the syslog to syslog-ng? |
| 05:09.11 | \amethyst | Gmoliv: yeah |
| 05:09.19 | Gmoliv | ty |
| 05:09.28 | xoz | christof: is this etch? |
| 05:09.44 | christof | xoz: yeap |
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| 05:10.03 | xoz | christof: you upgraded, not installed? |
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| 05:10.14 | christof | installed as 3.1 rc5 |
| 05:10.18 | christof | and upgraded |
| 05:10.20 | maddash | \amethyst: yes. |
| 05:11.12 | xoz | christof: probably the upgrade did it. the logrotate script should have been replaced but you kept the old one. |
| 05:12.02 | christof | mmh Have you an idea how to do now ? |
| 05:12.38 | xoz | christof: try purge logrotate and install it again? |
| 05:12.43 | Gmoliv | Edit your fstab and add the required paths: |
| 05:12.47 | \amethyst | maddash: Maybe with the "trusted platform" stuff there's a way |
| 05:12.53 | Gmoliv | witch fstab? |
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| 05:13.15 | Gmoliv | the /var/etch-i386-chroot/etc or the /etc ? |
| 05:13.19 | \amethyst | maddash: but generally, no... that would rely on the card setting a flag saying "I am lying" |
| 05:13.22 | christof | oops sorry I disconnected |
| 05:13.28 | xoz | christof: try purge logrotate and install it again? |
| 05:14.02 | christof | ok I m trying |
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| 05:14.10 | Fenix-Dark | hey |
| 05:14.17 | \amethyst | maddash: You could theoretically use timing information, etc. to tell whether the manufacturer part of the MAC is correct |
| 05:14.46 | konrad_ | enouf: ok.. thanks |
| 05:14.46 | maddash | \amethyst: but timing attacks require some sort of base-line measurement, right? |
| 05:15.07 | christof | xoz: erf I can t apt-get remove --purge sysklog want to remove sysklog and request tracker ;s this is a ticket system i use in enterprise :s |
| 05:15.37 | maddash | \amethyst: so, for example, if i never opened up a network connection using my real MAC, then the timing attack cannot be implemented |
| 05:15.46 | \amethyst | maddash: I'm thinking of something kind of like queso, but for MAC |
| 05:15.55 | christof | xoz: in other hand I have the all this day to resolve it so I can reinstall the RT |
| 05:16.38 | xoz | christof: now you know where to focus. |
| 05:16.42 | enouf | I love when people are in multple channels and respond to the wrong one ..lol |
| 05:16.45 | \amethyst | maddash: I mean something more like "Gee, that address is exhibiting quirks that look like a VIA Rhine, but it claims to be a 3COM" |
| 05:16.47 | christof | xoz: yeap Thx I m trying |
| 05:17.32 | christof | xoz: I removed the sysklog , Have I to delete the /etc/logrotate.d and logrotate.conf too? |
| 05:17.55 | maddash | \amethyst: hm. |
| 05:18.07 | \amethyst | maddash: of course, some chipsets are used by many different manufacturer, so even that's not reliable |
| 05:18.14 | \amethyst | s/rer/rers/ |
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| 05:19.27 | xoz | christof: purging logrotate should have done that... try reinstalling logrotate. btw, the logrotate for apache may have come from apache, not logrotate. |
| 05:19.38 | FX|Laptop | hmmn I just did a grub-install and I got a error 6; Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 |
| 05:21.05 | xoz | christof: ah, i think it is from logrotate. can you move the old one and compare the new logrotate.conf after reinstall. check if there are changes |
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| 05:21.34 | solar_sea | Iceweasel seems to have a bug/be broken on my system, as it refuses to download anything whenever I select 'save target'. should I report this one here to deb or to the mozilla community ? |
| 05:22.52 | nsx | !beryl |
| 05:22.52 | dpkg | beryl is probably probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 05:23.41 | christof | xoz: I removed the logrotate however logrotate.d was again existing |
| 05:24.00 | christof | logrotate.conf is the same after reisntall and problem is again here |
| 05:24.16 | xoz | christof: check inside logrotate.d... look for apache |
| 05:24.28 | christof | ah no sorry it seems to work |
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| 05:24.54 | christof | it is working noww |
| 05:24.58 | christof | yeaahh :) |
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| 05:26.15 | xoz | christof: minor scripting problem maybe. |
| 05:26.49 | Fenix-Dark | whats the default ftp service on debian (latest) |
| 05:27.15 | christof | xoz: yes , really thx |
| 05:28.49 | xoz | christof: when you upgrade in production system, always check the diff of the config file to be replaced or retained in /etc |
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| 05:31.50 | liable | whats the url for incoming? |
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| 05:32.35 | christof | xoz: okk thx |
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| 05:35.10 | wols | Fenix-Dark: none |
| 05:35.21 | Fenix-Dark | wols, ok |
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| 05:35.30 | wols | Fenix-Dark: use vsftpd |
| 05:35.31 | Fenix-Dark | wols, debian is new to me, comming from rhel 4.x on my server |
| 05:35.35 | Fenix-Dark | and it was crap |
| 05:35.41 | Fenix-Dark | wols, apt-get install vsftpd? |
| 05:35.59 | wols | !tell Fenix-Dark about grounding |
| 05:36.33 | Gmoliv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:36.53 | wols | Gnea: what video driver? |
| 05:37.08 | gg_hp57 | is it possible to hide the 'lost+found' folder? |
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| 05:38.12 | Gmoliv | it's a pleasure to run 2 apt-get together :D |
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| 05:38.26 | wols | Gmoliv: what videocard driver? |
| 05:38.37 | wols | Gokee2: it might be, if it were possibly |
| 05:38.44 | wols | *grr |
| 05:38.51 | Gmoliv | wols, nvidia |
| 05:38.59 | Gmoliv | wols, nvidia + gnome + beryl |
| 05:39.08 | Gmoliv | ( + amd63 ) |
| 05:39.11 | Gmoliv | 64 ** |
| 05:39.18 | wols | HYPOCRISY: how did you install nvidia drivers? cause you didn't install them right |
| 05:39.28 | wols | Gmoliv: |
| 05:39.48 | Gmoliv | wols, using nvidia installer |
| 05:40.28 | Gmoliv | wols, it kind of "patched" my kernel, |
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| 05:41.10 | wols | no you didn't patch it |
| 05:41.23 | wols | and your has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 05:41.39 | wols | you didn't install the library|ies or installed it at the wrong place |
| 05:41.49 | wols | *your problem |
| 05:41.54 | Fenix-Dark | wols, i checked vsftpd.conf and the manual, how do i get vsftpd to go by the premade user accounts? |
| 05:41.59 | Fenix-Dark | and passwords |
| 05:42.06 | wols | Fenix-Dark: simply by using it |
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| 05:42.16 | Fenix-Dark | wols, i cant connect with my username/pass |
| 05:42.17 | wols | it will use system accounts by defaut |
| 05:42.30 | Fenix-Dark | but i can connect with the ftp account |
| 05:42.39 | wols | check your logs |
| 05:42.55 | Fenix-Dark | you need to be in a specific group? |
| 05:42.57 | wols | then you changed something. by default vsftpd will allow system accounts |
| 05:43.04 | wols | and since ftp has no password, it can't work |
| 05:43.08 | wols | no |
| 05:43.32 | Gmoliv | wols, what i've done is -> install base system with net-inst, apt-get install gnome, run nvidia installer, apt-get install beryl |
| 05:43.40 | Gmoliv | wols, this file exists in /lib |
| 05:43.44 | Fenix-Dark | wols, i didnt change anything except the welcome banner |
| 05:43.56 | wols | Gmoliv: if you use the nvidia installer instead of the debian installer: ask nvidia |
| 05:44.08 | wols | Fenix-Dark: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 05:44.13 | Gmoliv | is there a debian instaler for nvidia driver ? |
| 05:44.22 | wols | !tell Gmoliv about nvidia |
| 05:44.37 | Fenix-Dark | # dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 05:44.37 | Fenix-Dark | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:45.11 | wols | check your logs then |
| 05:45.32 | wols | !tell Gmoliv about nvidia one-liner |
| 05:46.54 | Gmoliv | ty ^^ |
| 05:47.01 | Gmoliv | but.. how to uninstall the current driver? |
| 05:47.13 | wols | ask nvidia, again |
| 05:47.15 | wols | we don't know |
| 05:47.35 | Gmoliv | ok :/ |
| 05:47.38 | Fenix-Dark | Gmoliv, sh NVIDIA-VERSION --uninstall |
| 05:47.54 | Gmoliv | Fenix-Dark, thanks |
| 05:48.04 | Fenix-Dark | np |
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| 05:51.48 | marc7 | I'm looking to build a system for datacenter-use as a firewall with the intention of running debian on it. Can anybody suggest resources other than the touset.org Debian Firewall/Router Howto guide on what kind of processing power might be required? I'd like to have things like snort running on my network, and this router *seems* like the right place to install them, but I'm not sure if that violates best practices, or how much extra proces |
| 05:52.01 | marc7 | sustained traffic across the link is about 20mbit/sec during the day |
| 05:52.28 | marc7 | but I'd still like to be able to filter up to 50-100mbps at near wire-speed. |
| 05:52.46 | streuner | !why nvidia installer sucks |
| 05:53.22 | streuner | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 05:53.23 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 05:54.05 | xoz | !fire nvidia |
| 05:54.06 | wols | marc7: unless you go GBit, pretty any recent PC will do |
| 05:54.06 | dpkg | I'm sorry, nvidia, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 05:54.27 | Gmoliv | hehe |
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| 05:54.37 | \amethyst | marc7: found this http://download.intel.com/technology/advanced_comm/31156601.pdf |
| 05:54.38 | Gmoliv | restart xorg with new drivers... |
| 05:54.42 | Gmoliv | brb |
| 05:54.52 | Gmoliv | (i hope so) |
| 05:54.52 | marc7 | wols: that seems to be the going consensus... that 200MHz and up seems to be decent enough |
| 05:54.58 | marc7 | amethyst: wow, fancy |
| 05:55.12 | wols | marc7: depends. I dunno what snort uses |
| 05:55.22 | wols | however a P100 can saturate a 100Mbit lunk fully |
| 05:55.49 | wols | but there are some things, like logging conntracks, or maybe IDS or whatever that could need more power than that |
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| 05:56.09 | \amethyst | marc7: Looking over their numbers, it seems throughput can depend heavily on the number of connections |
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| 05:56.34 | mateusz | Hi |
| 05:56.36 | wols | and since you use it commercially, a new PC shouldn't be out of the question |
| 05:56.36 | \amethyst | marc7: which makes sense, since there's a fixed memory overhead for each connection, and you're going to eventually thrash your cache |
| 05:56.48 | marc7 | right, i mean the other real question is how much work do I give my router/firewall... should the system be completely hardened and the filesystem read-only to prevent network intrusions |
| 05:56.52 | mateusz | Where to download older version of xorg-xserver-video-intel ? |
| 05:57.05 | mateusz | I mea how to downgrade package |
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| 05:57.19 | streuner | mateusz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:57.19 | marc7 | and then I use the catalyst in our network to copy every packet from our external interface to a secondary interface that connects into a security system |
| 05:57.22 | mateusz | where I can get the previous version |
| 05:57.25 | wols | marc7: of course. it also should use flash only (not harddisk) and log to a syslog server |
| 05:57.30 | wols | write only link that is |
| 05:57.36 | Fenix-Dark | wols, ok, when i connected with firefox i got this error '530 This FTP server is anonymous only.' |
| 05:57.37 | marc7 | yeah |
| 05:57.42 | Fenix-Dark | how can i change it so its not anonymous only |
| 05:57.42 | wols | marc7: archive.debian.org |
| 05:57.52 | marc7 | wols: *nod* haven't looked there, that'll be a good start. thanks |
| 05:57.53 | wols | Fenix-Dark: that means you fucked up yout config |
| 05:57.56 | mateusz | streuner: ii libc6 2.5-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:58.09 | wols | marc7: basically. no fans :) |
| 05:58.21 | marc7 | wols: yeah, finding some kind of mini-pci case |
| 05:58.41 | wols | anything electro mechanical is evil |
| 05:58.48 | streuner | mateusz: Why do you use unstable, if you even don't know how to downgrade a simple deb or to look at BTS? |
| 05:59.23 | wols | streuner: cause it's neat. gives me the newest shit. and when I break stuff due to my own stupidity or ineptness, I can always ask #debian and they help me |
| 05:59.23 | mateusz | streuner: I just forgot the url archives.debian.org ? |
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| 05:59.58 | streuner | no |
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| 06:00.20 | streuner | mateusz: just re-install and install etch, they have almost up-to-date packages |
| 06:00.23 | wols | marc7: you asked for "07:57 < mateusz> I mea how to downgrade package |
| 06:00.44 | marc7 | wols: i take it that was a mis-paste? |
| 06:00.49 | mateusz | streuner: thats not helpful |
| 06:01.03 | streuner | that's consequent |
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| 06:01.18 | streuner | we don't need to help you if you want murder yourselfs |
| 06:01.36 | Fenix-Dark | wols, ok fixed it, the allow local users to logon was commented out |
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| 06:02.07 | streuner | mateusz: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 06:02.28 | wols | marc7: as usual, yes :( |
| 06:02.29 | wols | sry |
| 06:02.32 | reboooted | well i was working on a kernel the other day i kinda screwed something up and now my system wont boot. some reason my backup images are gone so i cant boot from that either. i grabbed knoppix and used the live cd to replace the older kernel but lilo wont boot it i keep getting an invalid ramdisk error. any way i can fix this? |
| 06:02.40 | marc7 | no worries :) |
| 06:02.45 | mcgreg | is when I do q3-demo four : high quality 1280x1024 93fps fast? |
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| 06:02.58 | wols | reboooted: install a debian kernel in achroot |
| 06:03.04 | Gmoliv | ok |
| 06:03.06 | Gmoliv | using nv driver :/ |
| 06:03.15 | wols | Gmoliv: won#t give oyu beryl |
| 06:03.22 | mateusz | streuner: I dont have a time for that, just want to dowgrade.... if thats your help "reinstall" thank thanks |
| 06:03.22 | Gmoliv | i know |
| 06:03.33 | Gmoliv | nvidia "debian-way" driver didn't worked |
| 06:03.50 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 06:03.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:04.01 | streuner | mateusz: unstable (sid) is the branch for developers of Debian |
| 06:04.14 | Gmoliv | xserver says kernel headers conflicts with the driver version |
| 06:04.30 | wols | Gmoliv: what kernel do you run? |
| 06:04.49 | Gmoliv | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 06:04.50 | wols | and what kernel headers are installed? |
| 06:04.52 | mateusz | streuner: is that all what you can help ? |
| 06:04.55 | streuner | mateusz: you shouldn't use sid, if you don't have enough experience or/and special reasons for |
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| 06:05.15 | Gmoliv | how do i see the kernel headers version? |
| 06:05.17 | mateusz | streuner: yes I have reasons |
| 06:05.30 | wols | mateusz: BS reasons. |
| 06:05.43 | wols | Gmoliv: dpkg -l |
| 06:05.50 | \amethyst | mateusz: is snapshot.debian.net what you're looking for? |
| 06:06.03 | mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.55 | Gmoliv | wols: dpkg -l | grep kernel-headers |
| 06:06.56 | Gmoliv | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 |
| 06:07.01 | \amethyst | mateusz: you should also know to look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for previously-installed versions |
| 06:07.18 | jetscreamer | wrong headers |
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| 06:07.29 | wols | Gmoliv: looks alright. what is the full output of you m-a run? pastbin |
| 06:07.33 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:07.36 | wols | jetscreamer: for amd64? |
| 06:07.46 | jetscreamer | linux-kernel-headers |
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| 06:08.09 | mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.23 | Gmoliv | jetscreamer, E: Couldn't find package linux-kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 06:08.25 | \amethyst | mateusz: well, that will teach you :) |
| 06:08.45 | wols | Gmoliv: current amd64 kernel is 2.6.18-7 afaik |
| 06:09.01 | jetscreamer | etch or lenny? |
| 06:09.05 | Gmoliv | etch |
| 06:09.05 | wols | Gmoliv: you are running amd64 of debian right? |
| 06:09.15 | Gmoliv | yes |
| 06:09.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` , not linux-kernel-headers |
| 06:09.40 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 06:09.59 | \amethyst | linux-kernel-headers are the userspace headers |
| 06:10.07 | Gmoliv | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 is already the newest version. |
| 06:10.07 | Gmoliv | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:10.15 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:10.24 | jetscreamer | now that is the correct version |
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| 06:10.39 | Gmoliv | as i see it was already installed :S |
| 06:10.42 | jetscreamer | i don't see any arch though |
| 06:10.50 | jetscreamer | -k7, -686? |
| 06:10.58 | \amethyst | -amd64 |
| 06:11.02 | Gmoliv | amd64 ? |
| 06:11.06 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:11.10 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 06:11.18 | wols | isn't using amd64 a -7 kernel? |
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| 06:11.34 | Gmoliv | wols, yes, the amf64 of debian |
| 06:11.35 | jetscreamer | uname -r ? |
| 06:11.48 | wols | jetscreamer: he did it several times now. 2.6.18-4 |
| 06:11.50 | Gmoliv | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 06:11.51 | mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.10 | jetscreamer | xserver says kernel headers conflicts with the driver version |
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| 06:12.20 | wols | xoz: no it doesn't |
| 06:12.26 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:12.33 | wols | cause a yserver doesn't give a fuck about kernel headers, doh! |
| 06:12.53 | wols | Gmoliv: can you pastebin your m-a output please? |
| 06:13.42 | Gmoliv | the Xorg log? |
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| 06:13.50 | wols | no, the m-a log |
| 06:13.56 | wols | or rather output |
| 06:14.14 | Gmoliv | how do i get it? |
| 06:14.21 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.18 | Gmoliv | didn't get it |
| 06:15.35 | wols | 2> err.output > log.output |
| 06:15.36 | Gmoliv | :S |
| 06:19.29 | Gmoliv | http://paste.debian.net/26209 |
| 06:19.34 | Gmoliv | is that what you asked for? |
| 06:21.06 | wols | no, I asked for more |
| 06:21.13 | wols | but yes, the error is obvious |
| 06:21.25 | wols | you mixed the nvidia.com driver and the debian driver |
| 06:21.49 | wols | you still have the nvidia.com kernel module stuff somewhere, the one from nvidia.com |
| 06:21.49 | Gmoliv | yes, bur i've run the --uninstall from nvidia driver |
| 06:21.59 | Gmoliv | but * |
| 06:22.04 | wols | surpise: it didn't work! |
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| 06:22.19 | Gmoliv | hehe, i'm not surprised |
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| 06:22.29 | Gmoliv | wols, solution: recompile a new kernel ? |
| 06:22.36 | wols | no. won't help |
| 06:22.36 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 06:22.39 | cwheeler | does the debian nvidia driver work now? |
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| 06:22.50 | wols | it's not the kernel that is broken but nividia.com's uninstaller |
| 06:22.54 | cwheeler | !nvidia |
| 06:22.54 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:23.28 | wols | Gmoliv: check the kernel module isn't still loaded (lsmod) |
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| 06:23.41 | _pepo_ | Im trying to update my list of package with apt-get update, but I cant with any server (from AMD64) ... Is there some problem? |
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| 06:24.05 | Gmoliv | wols, nothing :S |
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| 06:24.19 | wols | _pepo_: use a different mirror in your sources.list |
| 06:24.21 | stoned | wireless sucks |
| 06:24.42 | wols | stoned: I have some hope for the new iee80211 stuff |
| 06:25.17 | stoned | I could upgrade my sid system back in wired cable internet in oklahoma city, 480MB in like 10 minutes, here its gonna take 1.5 hours!! |
| 06:25.17 | _pepo_ | I was using three differents server in three diferents ocassions |
| 06:25.27 | stoned | My wireless won't go faster than 80-90kb/s |
| 06:25.30 | stoned | this is bullshit man |
| 06:25.53 | wols | get a better wireless? get a better driver, change channels, etc? |
| 06:25.57 | stoned | I can't wait to make some money so I can upgrade my internet |
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| 06:26.07 | stoned | i got 768kilobit downstream |
| 06:26.13 | wols | ah yes: put it all into a faraday cage. it will really boost your speeds |
| 06:26.14 | Gmoliv | lets restart and see what happens |
| 06:26.15 | stoned | cheapest broadband by Road Runner |
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| 06:26.48 | scead | hi |
| 06:26.49 | wols | well, with 769 downstream, 90K is pretty much the limit... |
| 06:27.06 | scead | has anyone been having troubles with nvidia driver and x.org? |
| 06:27.11 | stoned | wols: I wanted to avoid wireless driver bullshit for NIC in linux, so I just got a wifi router with a 4 port eth switch. All my devices are wires, but the router in my room is a client to an AP 3 rooms down, 50% signal stregnth |
| 06:27.12 | scead | running unstable |
| 06:27.20 | rohan | shouldn't !mepis be changed now ? :o it's no long sid-based :) |
| 06:27.40 | wols | rohan: shows you how much ew care about non debian distros :) |
| 06:27.41 | cwheeler | scead yes |
| 06:27.42 | stoned | wols: i know man.. I can't wait to make some money |
| 06:27.51 | rohan | wols: lol .. true ;) |
| 06:27.58 | stoned | wols: the package I had from cox comm. in OKC was like 10mbit down |
| 06:28.00 | scead | cwheeler: please tell me what is happening :S |
| 06:28.05 | cwheeler | i was only running unstable because i forgot to change sources.list |
| 06:28.28 | cwheeler | it can't find the nvidia driver |
| 06:28.28 | stoned | friggin almost 800/900KB/s to 1.2MB/s |
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| 06:28.39 | scead | cwheeler: yeah, this is horrible |
| 06:28.44 | stoned | I might as well just go to bed this is gonna take all night |
| 06:28.48 | wols | you guys do know that the driver is in non-free and contrib? |
| 06:28.49 | scead | cwheeler: is there a bug report on it? |
| 06:28.51 | Gmoliv | wols, worked: restarting the pc, the problem is gone |
| 06:28.51 | rohan | is it true that intel wireless chips have better support in linux, than others like broadcom and atheros ? |
| 06:28.54 | cwheeler | and glx sometimes |
| 06:28.54 | cwheeler | so I'm installing stable now which is what I intended to run |
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| 06:29.10 | wols | rohan: to a degree: yes. |
| 06:29.13 | scead | jetscreamer: are you on unstable? |
| 06:29.18 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:29.21 | wols | rohan: you still need non free firmware |
| 06:29.23 | stoned | but after 2 months of moving around |
| 06:29.35 | scead | have you updated recently? |
| 06:29.35 | stoned | I'm finally glad to be back on SID |
| 06:29.35 | rohan | wols: why so ? as far as i can see, both have drivers, and both are non-free |
| 06:29.35 | Gmoliv | wols, the driver is working, but the lib error continues |
| 06:29.35 | rohan | right |
| 06:29.39 | Gmoliv | wols, error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:29.42 | jetscreamer | scead: yes |
| 06:29.42 | stoned | jetscreamer: sup |
| 06:29.45 | wols | cwheeler, scead: nvidia IS in unstable btw |
| 06:29.47 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 06:29.51 | scead | how did you get it working? |
| 06:29.57 | cwheeler | I don't know scead haven't looked for a bug report. 3 people in the channel yesterday had the problem with it |
| 06:29.58 | jetscreamer | stoned: no thanks i just ate pizza |
| 06:30.01 | rohan | 11:59 < jetscreamer> scead: yes |
| 06:30.06 | jetscreamer | scead: i ran the installer |
| 06:30.10 | wols | Gmoliv: you haven't installed the nvidia libGL package |
| 06:30.10 | stoned | jetscreamer: eh? |
| 06:30.15 | stoned | I said sup, as in whats up |
| 06:30.20 | scead | the nvidia installer? |
| 06:30.23 | Gmoliv | wols, and beryl refuses to open too :S |
| 06:30.25 | wols | cwheeler: WHAT problem? |
| 06:30.26 | scead | the one from nvidia? |
| 06:30.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: why did you say no thanks? |
| 06:30.36 | wols | Gmoliv: untill libgl works, of course it won't open |
| 06:30.37 | cwheeler | problem with nvidia drivers and unstable |
| 06:30.41 | Gmoliv | it says: No composite extension |
| 06:30.47 | wols | !tell cwheeler about errors |
| 06:30.51 | cwheeler | I was using the one from nvidia |
| 06:31.09 | maddash | the amd64 kernel works on intel's x86-64, rah? |
| 06:31.12 | scead | i was using the debian way |
| 06:31.13 | jetscreamer | stoned: http://m-w.com/dictionary/sup |
| 06:31.15 | wols | Gmoliv: fix you liBGL problem first |
| 06:31.18 | cwheeler | it couldn't find glx and the nividia driver I just installed |
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| 06:31.30 | scead | jetscreamer: where did you find this installer? |
| 06:31.43 | cwheeler | it happened after the update friday that updated X |
| 06:31.45 | jetscreamer | scead: nvidia.com |
| 06:31.49 | Gmoliv | nvidia-glx is already the newest version. |
| 06:31.49 | Gmoliv | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 06:31.58 | rohan | debian etch is great .. especially since it was released with a kde install disc .. |
| 06:31.58 | scead | i don't want to browse that beast of a site with lynx |
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| 06:32.11 | scead | lynx will die lol |
| 06:32.16 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/ |
| 06:32.29 | pdf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:32.35 | Nemoder | actually nvidia's site works with lynx, had to do that before |
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| 06:32.41 | wols | cwheeler: have you looked at BTS or made a bug report? |
| 06:32.48 | scead | oh sweet |
| 06:32.53 | cwheeler | no, what's the BTS? |
| 06:33.02 | wols | you run sid and have no clue about BTS? |
| 06:33.03 | wols | !bts |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 06:33.16 | jetscreamer | so what is this bts thing again? |
| 06:33.24 | scead | jetscreamer: lol |
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| 06:33.26 | cwheeler | I only ran sid by accident because I forgot to change sources.list when etch went to stable |
| 06:33.39 | cwheeler | by the time i realized my mistake it was too late |
| 06:33.44 | jetscreamer | how do you get sid from etch or testing or stable |
| 06:33.50 | wols | cwheeler: you ran sid before. sid is always sid or unstable in sources.list |
| 06:33.51 | rohan | err.. isn't it testing then, cwheeler ? |
| 06:33.52 | Tallu | cwheeler: you mean lenny then? |
| 06:33.55 | rohan | exactly |
| 06:34.01 | cwheeler | oh tesing |
| 06:34.08 | cwheeler | sorry I'm confused |
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| 06:34.27 | cwheeler | could I have used etch in sources.list instead of testing? |
| 06:34.34 | wols | yes |
| 06:34.34 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:34.37 | Gmoliv | wols, i've run the one-liner |
| 06:34.42 | cwheeler | live and learn :) |
| 06:34.49 | Gmoliv | wols, and nvidia-libglx is installed :S |
| 06:34.50 | wols | where is libGL? |
| 06:35.15 | scead | eek, which one do i want? |
| 06:35.25 | wols | scead: the debian installer |
| 06:35.25 | jetscreamer | next to libGM? |
| 06:35.32 | scead | wols: ? |
| 06:35.36 | scead | oh |
| 06:35.44 | scead | i only see .run files |
| 06:35.48 | scead | or whatever they are |
| 06:35.55 | Gmoliv | Couldn't find package libGL |
| 06:35.56 | scead | lynx isn't showing me properly |
| 06:35.56 | wols | scead: cause wher you look there is none |
| 06:36.05 | wols | Gmoliv: the file I meant |
| 06:36.07 | jetscreamer | scead: you aren't on a debian site |
| 06:36.11 | wols | fomr the nvidia-libglx |
| 06:36.13 | maddash | 'Alioth Could Not Connect to Database:" wtf? |
| 06:36.13 | HYPOCRISY | Hello |
| 06:36.17 | jetscreamer | there is no debian-installer |
| 06:36.25 | scead | thats what i though |
| 06:36.28 | scead | thought |
| 06:36.32 | HYPOCRISY | ?? |
| 06:36.44 | Gmoliv | nice question ^ ^ |
| 06:36.45 | scead | i don't see any xorg ones either... only XFree86 |
| 06:36.46 | wols | scead: just fyi, when you update debian or your kernel, the driver will break if you download from nvidia.com |
| 06:36.48 | Gmoliv | (dunno o.O) |
| 06:36.52 | jetscreamer | scead: what gpu |
| 06:37.04 | scead | wols: what do you mean? |
| 06:37.10 | scead | jetscreamer: 6800gs |
| 06:37.18 | scead | wols: my driver is already broken |
| 06:37.21 | wols | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 06:37.21 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 06:37.22 | jetscreamer | gf3 is not supported in the latest... yeah latest good4u |
| 06:37.26 | maddash | how does apt know whether to fetch the i386 versions of debs from the repo? |
| 06:37.43 | jetscreamer | that factoid is very outdated |
| 06:37.52 | wols | maddash: cause it knows you run on the i386 platform |
| 06:37.53 | jetscreamer | " then you break XFree86 badly." |
| 06:37.59 | maddash | wols: how? |
| 06:38.08 | scead | where is the reference to xorg? |
| 06:38.09 | scead | :P |
| 06:38.11 | wols | cause linux knows what arch it runs on |
| 06:38.34 | maddash | how??? |
| 06:38.40 | wols | jetscreamer: yuu've been told time and again that the nvidia isntaller is not the proper way for #debian |
| 06:38.51 | Nemoder | I use the nvidia.com installer, but I also build my own kernel and rerun the installer whenever xorg updates. |
| 06:38.52 | jetscreamer | wols: and your point? |
| 06:39.05 | wols | jetscreamer: this is a #debian channel |
| 06:39.10 | scead | Nemoder: you don't have any trouble? |
| 06:39.16 | Nemoder | scead: no trouble |
| 06:39.25 | scead | wols: it doesn't matter where we are, as long as it works, thats the main thing |
| 06:39.28 | jetscreamer | define 'proper' |
| 06:39.32 | Nemoder | scead: the debian way is much easier though, especially if you use a stock kernel |
| 06:39.38 | wols | scead: it does, since this is a debian channel |
| 06:39.48 | Gmoliv | !nvidia one-liner |
| 06:39.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 06:39.48 | scead | Nemoder: it would be easier IF IT WORKED |
| 06:40.01 | stoned | jetscreamer: it was known to break some sid installations ime |
| 06:40.11 | stoned | jetscreamer: also nvidia installer is kinda crappy |
| 06:40.14 | jetscreamer | yeah in the olden days |
| 06:40.23 | exobyte | Am I missing something here? route add -net 10.15.0.0 netmask 255.240.0.0 gw 10.16.0.5 route: netmask and route address conflict 10.15.0.0 and 255.240.0.0 seem to match to me |
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| 06:40.26 | stoned | it works though |
| 06:40.29 | jetscreamer | no it seems to function flawlessly for quite a while |
| 06:40.33 | wols | and just like any othre third party software: debian can not and will not troubleshoot it |
| 06:40.36 | jetscreamer | much better track record for me |
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| 06:40.58 | stoned | jetscreamer: do understand what wols is saying too, though a bit militant, he is right. |
| 06:41.17 | stoned | we should only support the debian way of installing nvidia binary driver |
| 06:41.23 | wols | stoned: I use the nvidia.com installer usually too. but I doN#t expect #debian to help me installing it |
| 06:41.28 | jetscreamer | omg they brainwashed you too |
| 06:41.29 | Nemoder | scead: I personally don't think there is anything evil about running the nvidia.com installer, you just have to understand what it is doing so you can fix it when debian updates |
| 06:41.33 | wols | and in here I tell peple about the debian installer |
| 06:41.34 | stoned | nothey didn't |
| 06:41.41 | stoned | sometimes even sid doesn't have the lastest release |
| 06:41.45 | stoned | i use the installer myself |
| 06:41.50 | stoned | but I agree with wols on this |
| 06:41.59 | maddash | you guys realize that the nvidia autoinstaller generates .deb packages, rah? |
| 06:42.13 | stoned | we shouldn't support 3rd party debs |
| 06:42.15 | cwheeler | alas the nvidia installer has drivers 2 revs newer than the debian packages |
| 06:42.18 | jetscreamer | you're right, nv.run is needed |
| 06:42.24 | cwheeler | how maddash ? |
| 06:42.40 | jetscreamer | bring back the factoid |
| 06:42.48 | cwheeler | the installer from nvidia.com? |
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| 06:43.41 | Gmoliv | wols, isn't better reinstalling debian from net-inst? |
| 06:43.43 | scead | (II) Module already built-in |
| 06:43.43 | scead | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 06:43.46 | scead | and it fails |
| 06:43.53 | Nemoder | scead: modprobe nvidia |
| 06:43.56 | scead | i did |
| 06:43.59 | maddash | cwheeler: ./[nividia installer] --help |
| 06:44.01 | scead | same thing happens |
| 06:44.05 | maddash | cwheeler: yes. |
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| 06:44.22 | stoned | sounds like a compiler version issue |
| 06:44.30 | jetscreamer | if you're trying to use the nvidia-installer you might want to remove the debian packages... |
| 06:44.42 | Nemoder | scead: is there an error in dmesg about loading nvidia kernel module? |
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| 06:45.07 | stoned | nvidia module must be compiled with the same version of gcc that compiled your kernel |
| 06:45.17 | stoned | sometimes that can cause issues as well if they don't match |
| 06:45.22 | scead | mike:/home/mike# dmesg | grep nvidia |
| 06:45.22 | scead | nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 06:45.24 | stoned | it has for me in the past |
| 06:45.24 | _pepo_ | please, I have this error with apt-get update: Imposible obtener http://http.us.debian.org/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 06:45.27 | scead | that is the only line |
| 06:45.29 | cwheeler | I had problems using the nvidia installer when there were leftover debian packages installed |
| 06:45.35 | _pepo_ | but with any server |
| 06:45.45 | _pepo_ | the problem is in my box, or the servers are wrong |
| 06:45.54 | scead | _pepo_: the servers are probably updating |
| 06:45.59 | Nemoder | scead: er wait, have you run the nvidia.com installer at all or are you just working with debian's packages right now? |
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| 06:46.07 | jetscreamer | _pepo_: are you sure you want testing? |
| 06:46.15 | scead | im still working with debian packages atm |
| 06:46.25 | scead | i'd rather do the nvidia installer as a last resort |
| 06:46.28 | stoned | jetscreamer: i never read the sup definition. no cli browser, apt is upgrading, I can't view it atm. Whats it say? |
| 06:46.42 | Nemoder | scead: ok that's a good idea, are you running a custom or stock kernel? |
| 06:46.43 | jetscreamer | it says sup means to eat or drink |
| 06:46.47 | stoned | oh |
| 06:46.50 | jetscreamer | basically |
| 06:46.51 | scead | stock kernel for now |
| 06:46.51 | stoned | hmm, strange |
| 06:46.59 | _pepo_ | yes, I was using Etch when this was testing now I wanna use Lenny |
| 06:47.09 | jetscreamer | hence 'no thanks i already ate' |
| 06:47.12 | Nemoder | scead: ok, does nvidia show up in lsmod ? |
| 06:47.16 | stoned | word |
| 06:47.22 | Vasistha | hahaha |
| 06:47.37 | stoned | im eating potato chips and a chicken salad sandwich |
| 06:47.40 | stoned | :D |
| 06:47.44 | scead | yes |
| 06:47.49 | jetscreamer | i ate pizza |
| 06:47.49 | scead | it says Used: 0 though |
| 06:47.56 | scead | i don't know what that means |
| 06:47.57 | stoned | me too |
| 06:48.00 | stoned | Dominoes tonight |
| 06:48.07 | scead | alot of them are like that though |
| 06:48.08 | stoned | dominos |
| 06:48.13 | Nemoder | scead: if you aren't in X then nothing is using it (i think) |
| 06:48.18 | scead | okay |
| 06:48.20 | scead | makes sense |
| 06:48.24 | maddash | cwheeler: that's why you should purge your system of nvidia with aptitude prior to installing another nvidia deb(s) |
| 06:48.32 | Nemoder | scead: you could try reloading it: rmmod nvidia; modprobe nvidia |
| 06:48.43 | stoned | be merry, use nv. |
| 06:48.54 | stoned | unless you need 3d accel |
| 06:48.55 | stoned | etc. |
| 06:49.03 | Nemoder | hehe good luck playing quake4 with nv ;) |
| 06:49.05 | scead | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776 Mon Oct 16 21:56:04 PDT |
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| 06:49.12 | jetscreamer | we dont need no steenking 3d! |
| 06:49.14 | scead | does that mean it loaded :S |
| 06:49.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge xorg* dammit!!! |
| 06:49.32 | Nemoder | it sounds like it is loading fine scead, problem must be with xorg |
| 06:49.37 | scead | stoned: i have twinview |
| 06:49.45 | scead | dual headed display :P |
| 06:49.52 | stoned | i have fgkrx big desktop |
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| 06:49.53 | stoned | :) |
| 06:49.59 | stoned | my first ati card, and i hate it |
| 06:50.02 | stoned | x1900xtx |
| 06:50.05 | jetscreamer | fglrx? |
| 06:50.14 | stoned | I bought it cuz it was the best 200$ video card at the time |
| 06:50.21 | jetscreamer | i have an ati, also my first... not in this box though |
| 06:50.21 | stoned | topped out the 7900gt |
| 06:50.24 | Nemoder | scead: paste your xorg.conf to pastebin |
| 06:50.29 | scead | ok |
| 06:50.31 | stoned | fglrx* yes |
| 06:50.46 | scead | but Nemoder, i used my xorg config fine before the upgrade |
| 06:50.51 | maddash | stoned: have you tried the radeon driver? |
| 06:51.00 | stoned | doesn't work |
| 06:51.05 | stoned | card is too new for it |
| 06:51.10 | scead | !pastebin |
| 06:51.10 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 06:51.14 | stoned | 580 chipset I think |
| 06:51.28 | stoned | i can't recall |
| 06:51.37 | maddash | how does the amd64 installer differ from i386's? |
| 06:51.43 | stoned | it doesn't |
| 06:52.02 | stoned | however packages that are installed are of course different |
| 06:52.20 | Vasistha | maddash: it has packages that were compiled for amd64 instead of i386 |
| 06:52.45 | jetscreamer | it has a 286 kernel |
| 06:52.55 | stoned | maddash: you drink or smoke? |
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| 06:53.09 | maddash | so how does the system that resulted from the amd64 installer know that it's amd64, and not i386? |
| 06:53.21 | maddash | stoned: why? |
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| 06:53.28 | stoned | maddash: cuz you're not too far away |
| 06:53.35 | jetscreamer | maddash: from cluse scattered around the fs |
| 06:53.38 | stoned | we should get drunk or stoned together |
| 06:53.38 | jetscreamer | clues |
| 06:53.39 | stoned | :) |
| 06:54.21 | maddash | stoned: you're not kidding, are you? |
| 06:54.26 | stoned | no |
| 06:54.31 | stoned | I'm in bayside |
| 06:54.33 | stoned | queens |
| 06:54.44 | jetscreamer | he's lying, he'll just stand you up! |
| 06:54.46 | maddash | i meant the "drunk or stoned" part |
| 06:54.49 | stoned | lol |
| 06:54.53 | stoned | no im not kiddin |
| 06:54.55 | stoned | lol |
| 06:55.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:55.26 | jetscreamer | maddash is probably a cop or dea |
| 06:55.38 | stoned | i aint got shit anyway man |
| 06:55.39 | stoned | lol |
| 06:55.40 | Vasistha | a cop would *not* react that way :D |
| 06:55.57 | maddash | jetscreamer: yeah, a cop that has a closet interest in debian |
| 06:56.03 | stoned | lol |
| 06:56.04 | jetscreamer | born again christian? |
| 06:56.13 | stoned | oh god i hate those pricks |
| 06:56.24 | Vasistha | maddash: you know, it's an interesting question -- I just grepped all the files in /etc/ for i386 and found nothing. The info must be stored somewhere! |
| 06:56.32 | maddash | jetscreamer: yes, actually |
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| 06:56.34 | jetscreamer | arch |
| 06:56.40 | jetscreamer | grep for arch |
| 06:56.42 | stoned | umm kernel perhaps? |
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| 06:56.46 | maddash | Vasistha: it's probably a damn conspiracy |
| 06:56.52 | Vasistha | maddash: /bin/arch |
| 06:57.01 | maddash | stoned: no, i grepped my kernel config for 64 --nothing. |
| 06:57.07 | wols | Vasistha: hint: you run a i386 or amd64 kernel |
| 06:57.24 | wols | and the installer has either a i386 or amd64 krenel too |
| 06:58.06 | maddash | hm, so i guess there's no way i can make-kpkg myself an amd64 kernel on i386 |
| 06:58.18 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 06:58.22 | scead | Nemoder: mate, any other ideas? |
| 06:58.23 | Vasistha | maddash: that's called cross-compiling, and it actually is possible |
| 06:58.41 | Nemoder | scead: nvidia-glx package should have installed /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 06:59.03 | Nemoder | scead: make sure that package is installed and that file is there |
| 06:59.05 | maddash | stoned: i'm more of a stickler for White Castle -- there's one a few blocks from where i am |
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| 06:59.58 | scead | Nemoder: yeah, that file is there |
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| 07:00.05 | stoned | maddash: here too |
| 07:00.28 | stoned | stoned and maddash go to white castle! |
| 07:00.30 | Nemoder | scead: did you post your xorg.conf? I missed it |
| 07:00.40 | scead | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1040088 2007-01-05 14:51 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 07:00.49 | stoned | how bout that for a movie title |
| 07:00.57 | scead | i can't paste in lynx |
| 07:01.00 | scead | umm |
| 07:01.06 | stoned | elinks? |
| 07:01.09 | maddash | stoned: wow -- you're awful close to where I am |
| 07:01.09 | stoned | links2 -g? |
| 07:01.29 | stoned | maddash: springfield blvd off LIE 495 |
| 07:01.29 | scead | lol |
| 07:01.32 | Nemoder | scead: join #flood then |
| 07:01.36 | scead | ok |
| 07:01.40 | wols | scead: you can use pastebin.ca even with links |
| 07:01.40 | scead | are you in there? |
| 07:01.45 | wols | logs can be uploaded |
| 07:01.51 | Vasistha | scead: if you go to a site that accepts a file upload, you can just upload the log directly. |
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| 07:01.54 | Nemoder | scead: yes |
| 07:01.59 | stoned | I was in houston man i wish I coulda hung out with jetscreamer |
| 07:02.00 | scead | oh cool |
| 07:02.09 | scead | !pastebin |
| 07:02.09 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 07:02.11 | stoned | I went and partied with eldowan |
| 07:02.21 | stoned | and rahul |
| 07:02.34 | stoned | and some other folk here n there from #debian |
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| 07:03.02 | stoned | next on my list is cali, gonna go see Azar |
| 07:03.05 | stoned | :D |
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| 07:03.35 | maddash | stoned: you're like a hitman |
| 07:03.40 | stoned | hitman? |
| 07:03.43 | stoned | hardly |
| 07:03.46 | stoned | partyman more like it |
| 07:03.55 | mcgreg | is there a irc-channel for wine? |
| 07:03.57 | aidehua | ssh(1) is segfaulting on my sarge box :( |
| 07:04.00 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt <--the evil nvidia-installer |
| 07:04.05 | scead | pastebin.ca/452371 |
| 07:04.08 | stoned | #wine |
| 07:04.16 | Nemoder | k |
| 07:04.21 | scead | thanks mate |
| 07:04.21 | maddash | stoned: it doesn't bother you to mix real-life with irc? |
| 07:04.29 | stoned | not at all |
| 07:04.33 | stoned | i got nothing to hide |
| 07:04.37 | Nemoder | scead: you need to comment out dri in the modules section |
| 07:04.38 | stoned | i don't lead dual personalities man |
| 07:04.43 | stoned | im sameon irc as i am in real life |
| 07:04.43 | scead | ok |
| 07:04.44 | stoned | :) |
| 07:05.26 | aidehua | How can I investigate what is causing ssh to segfault? Maybe I have dodgy (physical) memory? |
| 07:05.30 | jetscreamer | hey scead that 'is' pci-e (or x) right? |
| 07:05.34 | stoned | strace? |
| 07:05.40 | aidehua | strace> ace idea -- /me tries |
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| 07:06.01 | scead | Nemoder: doesn't make any differnce |
| 07:06.09 | stoned | aidehua: if you suspect it is, memtest will tell you |
| 07:06.14 | Nemoder | scead: still says module not found? |
| 07:06.15 | stoned | +memory |
| 07:06.16 | scead | jetscreamer: pci express |
| 07:06.20 | jetscreamer | k |
| 07:06.23 | scead | yes, still not found |
| 07:06.33 | stoned | can't wait til pcie2.0 |
| 07:06.40 | stoned | supposed to be almost twice as fast |
| 07:06.50 | scead | it actually says: |
| 07:06.51 | scead | (II) Module already built-in |
| 07:06.51 | scead | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 07:07.01 | scead | i don't know what module already built-in means |
| 07:07.02 | jetscreamer | i don't even have a 64bit box much less pci-e/x |
| 07:07.15 | scead | but that is what it says in the output |
| 07:07.21 | stoned | jetscreamer: get with the times :) |
| 07:07.39 | maddash | stoned: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=white+castle&layer=&sll=40.754832,-73.759975&sspn=0.025292,0.045061&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=40.760586,-73.766026&spn=0.02529,0.045061&om=1&iwloc=A |
| 07:07.43 | scead | jetscreamer: don't worry, i was living on a 333mhz about 6months ago |
| 07:07.45 | scead | :P |
| 07:07.48 | jetscreamer | stoned: i'll trade you a router for a core2duo |
| 07:07.50 | Nemoder | scead: what kernel are you using? |
| 07:07.53 | stoned | maddash: I can't look I'm in cli |
| 07:07.55 | Vasistha | scead: are you sure the Module already built-in line is in relation to nvidia? |
| 07:08.00 | stoned | stuck here tonight in cli |
| 07:08.05 | scead | Linux mike 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:08.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: haha, dream on |
| 07:08.15 | stoned | :) |
| 07:08.32 | scead | i booted up into 2.6.18-3-486 also, and the same thing happens |
| 07:08.36 | maddash | stoned: ouch. |
| 07:08.41 | wols | stoned: depennds on the router |
| 07:08.52 | wols | there are many cisco ones which fetch a pretty penny :) |
| 07:08.59 | stoned | wols: while true, I love my c2d |
| 07:09.00 | Nemoder | scead: what cpu? |
| 07:09.02 | jetscreamer | cheap used userland router |
| 07:09.20 | stoned | i already bought one from worstbuy |
| 07:09.27 | stoned | 40+tax |
| 07:09.29 | scead | amd athlon 3700+ |
| 07:09.54 | Nemoder | scead: you might try linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 instead |
| 07:09.55 | jetscreamer | scead: those 333 celeries do 500 easy |
| 07:09.59 | stoned | wrt54G v6 with half the flash and 200mhz cpu and half the signal power |
| 07:10.11 | stoned | with vxworks firmware, which I put ddwrt on |
| 07:10.16 | stoned | almost bricked the fucker too |
| 07:10.18 | Nemoder | scead: it probably wont make a difference, but a kernel built for your cpu wont hurt :) |
| 07:10.30 | stoned | had to short some pins to clear the nvram |
| 07:10.35 | stoned | but i got it working with linux |
| 07:10.43 | scead | Nemoder: its a 64bit one compatiable one too |
| 07:10.47 | stoned | GL is about 79$+tax |
| 07:10.50 | stoned | too expensive for me |
| 07:10.58 | scead | so i dunno about using 64bit amd either |
| 07:11.05 | Nemoder | scead: you can't use the amd64 kernels unless you are using the 64bit version of debian |
| 07:11.13 | scead | ok |
| 07:11.17 | scead | so i try that other kernel |
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| 07:11.22 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 07:11.22 | Nemoder | the k7 one will work fine |
| 07:11.26 | scead | ok |
| 07:11.33 | jetscreamer | i thought you could run a 64bit kernel in 32bit userland |
| 07:11.37 | scead | i'll give that a shot and let you know how it goes |
| 07:11.41 | scead | thanks mate |
| 07:11.42 | jetscreamer | just not the other way around |
| 07:11.42 | tnks | what happens when a script in cron.daily has standard output? |
| 07:11.57 | Nemoder | jetscreamer: I think you have it backwards.. not sure |
| 07:12.06 | tnks | That's how the chkrootkit script does it's "reporting"... |
| 07:12.41 | peterS | Nemoder: you can't _what_? sure you can use a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit install. debian supports exactly that for sparc, powerpc, and amd64 |
| 07:12.45 | cwheeler | i believe you're correct jetscreamer |
| 07:12.55 | Nemoder | peterS: doh |
| 07:13.01 | jetscreamer | hey i was just quoting peterS iirc :) |
| 07:13.03 | cwheeler | friend of mine messed with that |
| 07:13.24 | Nemoder | peterS: ok, I guess I got confused when I tried it last time and had problems (was some time ago) |
| 07:13.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:13.24 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 07:13.26 | peterS | Nemoder: certain things may not work, like iptables on i386/amd64, but most things are fully supported |
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| 07:13.45 | jetscreamer | that was NOT me btw |
| 07:13.51 | aidehua | ssh is just segfaulting after "SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS receive"... for no apparent reason :/ |
| 07:13.59 | cwheeler | ah dpkg has humor too |
| 07:14.09 | stoned | no it doesn't |
| 07:14.13 | Nemoder | peterS: does it make much of a difference though without the system libs being 64bit? |
| 07:14.15 | stoned | its a friggin bot dude |
| 07:14.20 | stoned | that was a quote |
| 07:14.32 | roland | how do i change icon theme in xfce |
| 07:14.33 | cwheeler | well humorous quotes |
| 07:14.34 | peterS | Nemoder: that depends on your CPU architecture |
| 07:14.38 | jetscreamer | heh... seeing as how i understand it, a segfault is just a default error message when the error handling routine sucks, 'no apparent reason' makes sense |
| 07:14.51 | stoned | cwheeler: just pullin yer leg lol |
| 07:15.13 | jetscreamer | that's almost as neat as 'built on NT technology' |
| 07:15.13 | peterS | Nemoder: but in general, yes, a 64-bit kernel is quite useful on a 32-bit system because, for example, you can have more than 4 GB of RAM without horrid hacks |
| 07:15.15 | Nemoder | peterS: running an amd 3700 on the k7 image vs the 64bit image |
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| 07:15.39 | stoned | jetscreamer: yeh, its like saying NIC card |
| 07:15.40 | stoned | lol |
| 07:15.41 | peterS | Nemoder: or rather, I should say, you can have more than 896 MB of RAM without horrible hacks |
| 07:15.52 | jetscreamer | heh yeh nic card |
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| 07:16.11 | peterS | jetscreamer: I don't use a nic card but I am a big fan of DAT tapes |
| 07:16.12 | stoned | + |
| 07:16.13 | roland | advice for the purchase of a new computer, i want performance , so : amd athlon64 x2 or intel core 2 duo ? sugest |
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| 07:16.28 | scead | amd |
| 07:16.31 | scead | is sex |
| 07:16.34 | jetscreamer | core2duo |
| 07:16.39 | aidehua | jetscreamer: ta -- I didn't realise that about SIGSEGV. (I don't really know what a segfault is -- something to do with memory.) |
| 07:16.53 | jetscreamer | and i haven't owned an intel since my 233 |
| 07:16.54 | Nemoder | scead: heh ok according to the resident expert the 64bit kernel should work better for you :) |
| 07:17.09 | scead | Nemoder: lol |
| 07:17.21 | scead | Nemoder: im going to reboot to use that kernel you suggested |
| 07:17.26 | scead | Nemoder: so i'll be back in a tic |
| 07:17.32 | Nemoder | scead: ok |
| 07:17.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:17.45 | aidehua | Maybe I could find some other program on this box that segfaults. |
| 07:18.04 | unix_infidel | there are weird got kids outside my window |
| 07:18.16 | unix_infidel | goth* |
| 07:18.31 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: tell them to go sack Rome or something |
| 07:18.33 | roland | amd64 x2 or core2duo ? sugest ppl |
| 07:18.35 | peterS | oh yeah, speaking of 'got', I use GOT tables in my shared libraries, too |
| 07:18.55 | peterS | along with the PIC code |
| 07:18.56 | unix_infidel | i think i might have to go anti-christ on their asses |
| 07:19.15 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: be careful, you might get worshippers |
| 07:19.17 | jetscreamer | cassette tapes! |
| 07:19.26 | stoned | i smell something burning |
| 07:19.29 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah but DAT is digital |
| 07:19.33 | stoned | i can't tell if its my pc or outside |
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| 07:19.35 | jetscreamer | that would be my brain |
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| 07:19.38 | maddash | stoned: white castle |
| 07:19.39 | stoned | im scared |
| 07:19.43 | scead | Nemoder: mate |
| 07:19.48 | scead | it didn't make a difference |
| 07:19.48 | Nemoder | scead: wb |
| 07:19.49 | stoned | no seriously man |
| 07:19.54 | scead | :( |
| 07:20.04 | jetscreamer | well go fucking look and find the fire |
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| 07:20.11 | stoned | i clocked my cpu from 3.5 ghz back down to 1.8ghz |
| 07:20.12 | maddash | stoned: sniff pc case. why aren't you using X11, anyway? |
| 07:20.12 | unix_infidel | lol |
| 07:20.12 | jetscreamer | jump out the window if needed |
| 07:20.13 | peterS | jetscreamer: he's trying to get on bash.org |
| 07:20.14 | Nemoder | scead: try apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx; apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 07:20.18 | jetscreamer | oh that scared |
| 07:20.19 | stoned | and clocked my ram down too |
| 07:20.41 | stoned | maddash: long story |
| 07:20.52 | stoned | its gotta be outside man |
| 07:20.58 | stoned | my pc is runing fine i think |
| 07:21.06 | jetscreamer | try making sure the version you are d/l'ing works with your gpu |
| 07:21.06 | peterS | then, whatever you do, don't go outside, stoned |
| 07:21.13 | stoned | 40C~ish temp |
| 07:21.18 | scead | Nemoder: rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
| 07:21.19 | stoned | mobo and cpu |
| 07:21.21 | scead | when removing |
| 07:21.24 | scead | :/ |
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| 07:21.48 | jetscreamer | scead: that's actually normal-ish, at least if you've ever used the nvidia-installer |
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| 07:21.52 | maddash | stoned: how do you keep the temp so low? even my Pentium D runs @ 55+C |
| 07:21.53 | Nemoder | scead: ya it sounds like the install did not complete correctly, did it fail to remove because of that? |
| 07:21.53 | scead | same thing happened |
| 07:21.53 | stoned | its an odd smell, its not like electronics burning smell |
| 07:22.02 | scead | jetscreamer: ive never used the nvidia installer yet |
| 07:22.12 | stoned | maddash: 900gram pure copper heatsink with 12 heatpipes |
| 07:22.20 | stoned | and Arctic Silver thermal paste |
| 07:22.22 | jetscreamer | scead: ok well that's still the error to fix, or at least one |
| 07:22.24 | scead | Nemoder: it removed it anyway, it reinstalled, and did exactly the same thing |
| 07:22.34 | Nemoder | scead: ok, hm |
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| 07:22.53 | Nemoder | scead: try the same thing with nvidia-glx-dev |
| 07:22.59 | stoned | maddash: I have recently started using Arctic freezer 7 pro for lga 775 |
| 07:23.02 | scead | guys, i gotta go for about 20 mins, is it possible to msg me any other ideas or suggestions? |
| 07:23.07 | jetscreamer | hey everybody, don't use the nvidia-installer, it might actually 'just work' |
| 07:23.10 | scead | if you think of anything while im gone |
| 07:23.14 | jetscreamer | and that would be bad |
| 07:23.14 | stoned | maddash: its only 400gram, well within intel specs |
| 07:23.21 | scead | Nemoder: it did that package at the same time as the other one |
| 07:23.22 | stoned | maddash: and it keeps my cpu very cool |
| 07:23.28 | Nemoder | scead: ah ok |
| 07:23.38 | Dave-B | Hi, |
| 07:23.40 | Nemoder | scead: ya i'm graspin at straws here, it's a pretty strange problem |
| 07:23.41 | maddash | stoned: the thermal paste has to be applied with great precision, right? |
| 07:23.48 | scead | yeah, i know :( |
| 07:23.56 | scead | please let me know if you can think of anything though |
| 07:23.58 | stoned | maddash: during winter time, 3.5ghz core2duo E6300 won't top 35-40C |
| 07:24.05 | stoned | during summertime, won't top 50C |
| 07:24.09 | scead | kk, i gotta run, bye for now |
| 07:24.14 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt <--the evil nvidia-installer |
| 07:24.15 | stoned | maddash: yes very carefully and then some |
| 07:24.16 | unix_infidel | can ncftp do scp/sftp? |
| 07:24.43 | stoned | i think so |
| 07:25.28 | stoned | dude! now my comfortor smells like its burning |
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| 07:25.35 | stoned | it has to be coming from outside |
| 07:25.41 | unix_infidel | spontaneous combustion. |
| 07:25.41 | stoned | cuz i know my bed isn't on fire |
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| 07:25.43 | stoned | damn |
| 07:25.50 | famir | how can i know which kernel i have ? |
| 07:25.57 | maddash | famir: uname -a |
| 07:25.58 | stoned | famir: uname -a |
| 07:26.23 | unix_infidel | more specifically uname -r |
| 07:26.27 | stoned | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:26.35 | famir | 10x |
| 07:26.41 | maddash | 2.6.20.4 |
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| 07:27.16 | unix_infidel | take your kernel version*vpenis/bogomips and you get your real penis size |
| 07:27.27 | stoned | maddash: when I booted my debian pc after 2 months, i dunno what the hell happaned, but in X nothing would start. I got my kde desktop,but then kdeinit can't launch apps. im upgrading now to new packages in sid |
| 07:27.41 | stoned | if that don't work, i'll remove kde and start with something else |
| 07:27.48 | stoned | thats why im stuck in cli |
| 07:28.10 | stoned | plus i have the cheapest slowest broadband in the world, 768kbit down |
| 07:28.12 | stoned | :( |
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| 07:28.29 | unix_infidel | stoned: that's better than avg |
| 07:28.29 | Vasistha | stoned: sounds like phone company adsl |
| 07:28.38 | jetscreamer | no slowest is 384 iirc |
| 07:28.41 | stoned | nah, its roadrunner cable |
| 07:28.47 | cwheeler | how come there's no cfdisk on the debian install disk? |
| 07:28.48 | stoned | i can't afford faster net atm |
| 07:28.49 | unix_infidel | LOL @ rr cable |
| 07:28.51 | jetscreamer | no phone co i get 600 at least |
| 07:29.07 | Vasistha | stoned: wow, that sucks. roadrunner cable in los angeles offers 4mbit, 6mbit and 10mbit down |
| 07:29.09 | unix_infidel | i know people who get the full 6MB with RR |
| 07:29.11 | stoned | 15$/mo more can gimme 4mbit down |
| 07:29.20 | stoned | hopefully soon I should be able to afford that |
| 07:29.21 | unix_infidel | stoned: you need to effing upgrade dude. |
| 07:29.33 | jetscreamer | i get 600/kbs down with rr but i don't like the qos |
| 07:29.34 | stoned | unix_infidel: you need to pay for it or shush :( |
| 07:29.43 | peterS | unix_infidel: I suppose you're going to write him a monthly check so he can afford it? |
| 07:29.49 | jetscreamer | att/sbc much better quality |
| 07:30.00 | stoned | i dislike dsl |
| 07:30.09 | Vasistha | cwheeler: well, there's a debian package of it. Dunno if you can actually use it :P maybe it'd be better to try Timo's rescue CD, or Tom's Root Boot |
| 07:30.11 | jetscreamer | real men use 1200baud modems |
| 07:30.11 | stoned | after 3 months of dsl in baton rouge 6 years ago |
| 07:30.17 | stoned | I was like fuck this man |
| 07:30.24 | stoned | jetscreamer: my first was a 2400baud |
| 07:30.25 | stoned | :) |
| 07:30.31 | maddash | stoned: haha, join the "Time-Warner's-raping-my-wallet" club |
| 07:30.32 | jetscreamer | mine too |
| 07:30.33 | stoned | i was a child then |
| 07:30.38 | jetscreamer | hayes compatible |
| 07:30.43 | stoned | yup |
| 07:30.53 | peterS | stoned: say what you will about DSL, in this town it's cheaper than cable broadband, _plus_ (and this is a big deal for me) the cable provider has a draconian AUP that prohibits running servers (!) |
| 07:30.59 | mlowe | 300baud was the chit man !! |
| 07:31.13 | stoned | peterS: yeh someplaces its good |
| 07:31.25 | stoned | peterS: i am not downing on it in general, just based on my experience |
| 07:31.25 | jetscreamer | i remember going from 14000 to 56000 and thinking 'how cool' |
| 07:31.34 | stoned | plus the lines in baton rouge were old as shit |
| 07:31.45 | stoned | new telephone lines yeild better results |
| 07:31.46 | Nemoder | cable isn't too bad here, although they just added wildcard dns redirecting to an ad page GRR |
| 07:31.49 | peterS | stoned: in the 3 years I've had DSL service, I've been very happy with their uptime and with the bandwidth I get - very rarely does it seem at all congested, I almost always get the same speed |
| 07:31.56 | maddash | fios!! |
| 07:31.57 | stoned | plusI think I was too far away from the adsl place |
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| 07:32.27 | jetscreamer | i had dsl since sbc came out with dsl... i really really miss the qos |
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| 07:32.41 | jetscreamer | decided to try rr.... bah |
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| 07:32.54 | stoned | my first isp was aol back in 1992 |
| 07:32.57 | maddash | rr's a fecking joke |
| 07:32.57 | peterS | as for uptime, there was a couple days of downtime when we had a really nasty ice storm, but that's because they couldn't get power to their DSLAMs. other than that, they've had a few hours of downtime maybe two or three times in the 3 years |
| 07:33.06 | stoned | then when aohell and other progz came out I got into VB |
| 07:33.11 | maddash | my first isp was pipeline. haha. |
| 07:33.21 | stoned | and making fake accounts on aol with generated credit card numbers |
| 07:33.23 | stoned | it was fun |
| 07:33.31 | stoned | then I turned 18 and stopped my shannanigans |
| 07:33.33 | stoned | lol |
| 07:33.37 | Vasistha | stoned: I knew people that did that... |
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| 07:33.49 | roland | how do i change xfce icons in debian p ls |
| 07:33.52 | stoned | I used to hack compuserve and prodigy all the time |
| 07:34.04 | stoned | ahh i miss childhood |
| 07:34.07 | stoned | it was fun times |
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| 07:34.24 | stoned | roland: please consult #xfce or xfce-look.org |
| 07:34.31 | stoned | they have detailed instructions on the website |
| 07:34.50 | roland | followed them ,done them ,nothing |
| 07:34.55 | roland | and in xfce no one responds |
| 07:34.59 | Nemoder | roland: which icons? |
| 07:35.07 | stoned | roland: if you install gnome-themes package, xfce config options should list the icon packages |
| 07:35.08 | maddash | stoned: any idea why your X apps wouldn't start? have you tried purging kde? |
| 07:35.19 | stoned | maddash: will find out soon enough |
| 07:35.38 | stoned | i got into my kde desktop but some apps didn't start |
| 07:35.46 | stoned | kdeinit couldn't launch em |
| 07:35.50 | stoned | i'll get it soon |
| 07:35.52 | roland | stoned: i installed iKomic icons from xfce-look.org and nothing is listed |
| 07:35.54 | roland | i even restarted x |
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| 07:36.15 | stoned | roland: install instructions should be in the icon package you downloaded |
| 07:36.16 | roland | seems that im stuck with this ugly default set |
| 07:36.27 | roland | there are no install instructions in it unfortunately :( |
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| 07:36.41 | stoned | roland: usually there are. Try #xfce please |
| 07:36.50 | roland | only icon files there |
| 07:36.53 | Nemoder | roland: you can change it in the settings/user interface dialog |
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| 07:36.54 | stoned | they have xfce experts there, they can guide you better |
| 07:36.56 | roland | yeah im in #xfce as well |
| 07:37.06 | stoned | roland: usually you can install them in ~/.icons/themename |
| 07:37.07 | Nemoder | roland: or just change individual icons on the bar by right-clicking them |
| 07:37.13 | stoned | and create an index file and they usually show up |
| 07:37.21 | stoned | i forgot the exact instructions |
| 07:37.34 | stoned | roland: check on xfce-look.org they should have directions |
| 07:38.07 | maddash | i wonder how many laws i'm breaking by torrenting this debian iso |
| 07:38.20 | Vasistha | maddash: I'd say zero |
| 07:38.22 | roland | none |
| 07:38.24 | stoned | roland: if you install gnome-themes and gnome-themes-extras or something, you will have a lot of icons themes to chose from |
| 07:38.34 | stoned | roland: you won't be stuck with just defualt xfce icons |
| 07:38.37 | maddash | s/debian/xp retail/ |
| 07:38.43 | stoned | gnome icons works under xfce |
| 07:38.46 | stoned | I like Gartoon |
| 07:38.49 | Vasistha | maddash: well, that's different |
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| 07:39.13 | maddash | Vasistha: i left my real CD at school |
| 07:39.28 | Vasistha | maddash: yeah, sure :D hehheh |
| 07:39.47 | maddash | eh, no chance of any corporate/gov goons hunting me down, anyway... |
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| 07:40.27 | Nemoder | maddash: but using windows is still morally wrong no matter where you obtain it ;) |
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| 07:40.42 | stoned | Nemoder: wrong. |
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| 07:40.46 | peterS | Nemoder: we aren't here to talk about the morality of Windows. please try to talk about Debian |
| 07:40.55 | maddash | Nemoder: really? maybe I should just revert back to CP/2 |
| 07:41.04 | stoned | Nemoder: firstly, morality is relative. Secondly, right and wrong are not universal absolutes. |
| 07:41.06 | Nemoder | ah it was just a joke |
| 07:41.24 | \amethyst | I always use a Phillips screwdriver or Torx screws |
| 07:41.31 | \amethyst | s/or/on/ |
| 07:41.41 | Vasistha | \amethyst: wrong chan?? |
| 07:41.42 | peterS | \amethyst: heretic |
| 07:41.49 | Vasistha | perhaps not... |
| 07:41.56 | peterS | \amethyst: everyone knows you're supposed to use allen wrenches on those |
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| 07:42.22 | xingu | pah |
| 07:42.29 | xingu | peterS: you misspelt 2mm drill bit |
| 07:42.30 | maddash | \amethyst: how does that work? |
| 07:42.36 | aidehua | I have a set of torx bits -- /engage mode=righteous |
| 07:42.47 | peterS | xingu: allen wrenches are slightly more durable |
| 07:42.47 | \amethyst | maddash: the same way that Windows being morally wrong works, I guess :) |
| 07:42.55 | zu22 | Vasistha: what is this tool? |
| 07:42.57 | xingu | tungsten, at about 25krpm |
| 07:43.10 | stoned | holy fucking geezman |
| 07:43.14 | Vasistha | zu22: it's like a screwdriver, with a funky hexagonal starred tip |
| 07:43.18 | stoned | 25krpm, you're talking about an hdd? |
| 07:43.21 | stoned | where how? |
| 07:43.23 | stoned | when? |
| 07:43.23 | zu22 | Vasistha: ok i have seen this |
| 07:43.28 | \amethyst | Vasistha: Torx? |
| 07:43.32 | jetscreamer | yes torx |
| 07:43.39 | zu22 | xingu: sounds hot |
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| 07:43.40 | jetscreamer | not allen, but similar |
| 07:43.40 | stoned | i want a 25k rpm drive |
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| 07:43.42 | Vasistha | \amethyst: could be ... I'm really not sure. It's a compaq armada |
| 07:43.47 | stoned | that would kick so many balls |
| 07:43.50 | stoned | ohmygod |
| 07:43.55 | xingu | I'm talking about how to get a crappy "sell the world a more expensive screwdriver" funky screw. |
| 07:43.56 | maddash | stoned: are you high? |
| 07:44.01 | stoned | not at all |
| 07:44.07 | jetscreamer | maddash: probably |
| 07:44.08 | peterS | maddash: 4/20 was two days ago now |
| 07:44.12 | \amethyst | Vasistha: does it have a post in the middle? |
| 07:44.18 | Nyle | hi |
| 07:44.23 | jetscreamer | see i knew he was nyle but he denied it for a hwile |
| 07:44.27 | Vasistha | \amethyst: no, I can kinda do them with a flathead |
| 07:44.31 | maddash | peterS: huh???!! |
| 07:44.32 | Nyle | what bullshit |
| 07:44.32 | xingu | ... well, screw out; xingu definitely does not endorse using a tungsten drill bit at 25krpm to get a screw. |
| 07:44.39 | \amethyst | Vasistha: So it's not security torx, an ordinary torx driver will do |
| 07:44.45 | Nyle | I was known as rectum, Nyle, stoned, dudeman, bungnugget |
| 07:45.01 | Nyle | and some others I can't recall |
| 07:45.03 | Vasistha | bungnugget, huh?? |
| 07:45.09 | Nyle | yup :D |
| 07:45.35 | Vasistha | \amethyst: wow, now I even have a name for this contraption! |
| 07:45.40 | peterS | hmmm, I need to be awake in about 6.5 hours, I suppose that means I need to be asleep now |
| 07:45.51 | Nyle | g'night bro man |
| 07:45.58 | Nemoder | caffiene is a wonderful drug |
| 07:45.59 | zu22 | peterS: 5 hours sleep is plenty |
| 07:46.15 | peterS | \amethyst: note torx come in several sizes, get the right size |
| 07:46.23 | jetscreamer | all you need is 640k(seconds) |
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| 07:46.37 | Nyle | 5 min till my sid box is upgraded |
| 07:46.38 | jetscreamer | that would be a long time though wouldn't it |
| 07:46.39 | Nyle | yippy! |
| 07:46.45 | jetscreamer | that's yippie |
| 07:46.50 | peterS | zu22: yeah, well, any amount of sleep is fine so long as I can catch up later. but it's better not to need to catch up later |
| 07:46.59 | zu22 | peterS: indeed |
| 07:47.00 | Nyle | its whatever i want it to be :) |
| 07:47.03 | xingu | torx come in many sizes, but a nice tungsten hardened 2mm bit will go right through the whole fricken set |
| 07:47.49 | jetscreamer | maybe it's a rivet |
| 07:47.52 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:47.54 | peterS | \amethyst: of course what you really want is a screwdriver with a hex shaft and a set of screwdriver bits. it'll come with three or four torx bits and one will be correct (: |
| 07:47.57 | jetscreamer | seriously it might be |
| 07:48.23 | \amethyst | According to Wikipedia, the ISO standard name for the torx head is "hexalobular internal driving feature" |
| 07:48.28 | jetscreamer | wtf are you taking off |
| 07:48.43 | Nyle | he probably aint |
| 07:48.53 | Nyle | 5 hours was it? |
| 07:49.00 | Nyle | 4 is all you need |
| 07:49.06 | peterS | love is all you need |
| 07:49.10 | zu22 | for laptops or computers in general i like those small tungsten steel screwdrivers with rubber grips, also come in handy for repairing eye glasses or watches :) |
| 07:49.13 | christof | Please I m looking to install an LDAP server for an address book, however I have several dn , is it possible to do that? |
| 07:49.13 | Nyle | well |
| 07:49.21 | Nyle | love don't put food on your plate |
| 07:49.23 | maddash | sid is all you need |
| 07:49.35 | peterS | I'll tell my friend Sid that you said that |
| 07:49.40 | Nyle | you can't walk into burgur king andsay Ilove burgurkind and get a free whopper meal |
| 07:49.43 | Nyle | can ya? |
| 07:49.44 | peterS | (well, Siddarth, but we call him Sid) |
| 07:49.53 | Nyle | heh |
| 07:50.00 | Nyle | buddha? |
| 07:50.08 | peterS | he doesn't look much like buddha |
| 07:50.27 | Nyle | you mean your real life friend named siddarth |
| 07:50.35 | Nyle | or buddha? |
| 07:50.39 | zu22 | Siddartha lol read that book in high school |
| 07:50.43 | xingu | \amethyst: that'd be the wikipedia who's founder said it was broken beyond repair and contained unreliable content? :) |
| 07:50.45 | jetscreamer | go back to sleep nyle |
| 07:50.52 | Nyle | hey what |
| 07:50.54 | peterS | Nyle: I'm saying my friend siddarth doesn't look much like buddha |
| 07:50.59 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:51.00 | Nyle | word |
| 07:51.13 | Nemoder | but does he break your toys? |
| 07:52.00 | \amethyst | xingu: http://webstore.ansi.org/ansidocstore/product.asp?sku=ISO+10664%3A2005 |
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| 07:52.28 | Nyle | guys |
| 07:52.35 | Nyle | you can't take full ad |
| 07:52.37 | Nyle | er.. |
| 07:52.47 | xoz | christof: read the step-by-step guide to install LDAP. then, come back here if you have specific questions. |
| 07:52.47 | aidehua | So *obviously* my debug build if ssh(1) *doesn't* segfault :D |
| 07:52.49 | Nyle | advantage of a core 2 duo/dual core without an smp kernel? |
| 07:52.52 | Nyle | or can you? |
| 07:52.56 | aidehua | I suppose that's something, at least :) |
| 07:52.58 | jetscreamer | 50 bucks omg |
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| 07:53.18 | Nyle | does one _need_ a smp kernel for dual core cpus? |
| 07:53.24 | maddash | yes |
| 07:53.29 | jetscreamer | Nyle: unless you compile it yourself, it is smp enabled |
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| 07:53.45 | jetscreamer | well debian stock kernels are |
| 07:53.46 | xingu | Nyle: no; but without it the second cpu core in the package is not used. |
| 07:53.47 | Nemoder | hm the stock smp kernels were merged with the non-smp ones weren't they? |
| 07:53.55 | Nyle | hmm |
| 07:53.59 | Nyle | that kinda sucks balls |
| 07:54.02 | jetscreamer | yes they are all smp |
| 07:54.05 | Nyle | i want both cores to run |
| 07:54.05 | xingu | Nyle: ie, "way to shoot your own foot off, tool" |
| 07:54.07 | jetscreamer | now |
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| 07:54.17 | maddash | i just realized that broadband ISPs are like gigantic corporate mafias |
| 07:54.27 | jetscreamer | what took you so long |
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| 07:54.32 | Nyle | so to fully utilize my c2d cpu i should get a SMP kernel? |
| 07:54.40 | jetscreamer | that would be any big business imo btw |
| 07:54.50 | maddash | jetscreamer: ISPs in particular |
| 07:54.51 | jetscreamer | Nyle: they ARE smp enabled |
| 07:55.02 | Nyle | the regular i386 kernelrs? |
| 07:55.06 | Nyle | they are smp enabled? |
| 07:55.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:55.10 | liable | another wasted day fixing xgl |
| 07:55.10 | maddash | Nyle: yes. |
| 07:55.11 | Nyle | meaning both cores will work? |
| 07:55.12 | jetscreamer | yesyesyes |
| 07:55.15 | Nyle | okokok |
| 07:55.16 | Nyle | damn |
| 07:55.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:55.24 | jetscreamer | wait let me change: NO |
| 07:55.27 | Nyle | being sober makes me stupid |
| 07:55.29 | xingu | Nyle: depending on workload you may want irqbalance too |
| 07:55.32 | jetscreamer | better now that i lied? |
| 07:55.41 | Nyle | i gotta get high man |
| 07:55.46 | Nyle | i feel retarded |
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| 07:57.18 | peterS | Nyle: http://p12n.org/tmp/siddarth.jpg - he doesn't look anything like any buddha I've ever seen |
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| 07:57.36 | Nyle | im stuck in cli pete |
| 07:57.39 | Nyle | :( |
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| 07:57.59 | Nyle | will check it soon as i get out of it |
| 07:58.12 | maddash | how do you go about banning a dial-up troll? |
| 07:58.31 | peterS | well, it's a poor picture anyway, I don't seem to have a good one, I had to clip him out of a bigger shot with several other people in it |
| 07:59.35 | jetscreamer | so much for that 'sleep' stuff eh |
| 07:59.41 | peterS | it'll happen eventually |
| 07:59.50 | Nyle | i should chane my aliases from apt-get to aptitude usainginaisdngljasdjf |
| 07:59.52 | peterS | I'm not at all sleepy right now, so it wouldn't happen now anyway |
| 07:59.56 | Nyle | apt-get is fuckingme |
| 07:59.57 | Nyle | dammit |
| 08:00.06 | jetscreamer | real men use dselect |
| 08:00.10 | Nyle | peterS: count bugs |
| 08:00.15 | Nyle | er.. sheep i mean :) |
| 08:00.31 | peterS | Nyle: hmmm good point, my packages have plenty of bugs, counting them would keep me busy long enough to drift off |
| 08:00.31 | jetscreamer | !tell Nyle -about fix-unmet |
| 08:00.36 | Nyle | im sure lenny's bugs will be enough to pu you to bed |
| 08:00.50 | Nyle | jetscreamer: aware of it |
| 08:00.52 | Nyle | hanks though |
| 08:00.55 | Nyle | thanks* |
| 08:01.12 | xingu | jetscreamer: real men use "ar x && tar xzf && ./postinst" |
| 08:01.16 | jetscreamer | you don't grok the fullsome 1337n3$$ though |
| 08:01.17 | tarzeau | Nyle, peterS what about playing nethack? |
| 08:01.35 | peterS | I'm not a nethack kinda guy |
| 08:01.42 | Nyle | vultures eye |
| 08:01.48 | Nyle | egoboo |
| 08:02.02 | Nyle | im more of an oblivion only kinda guy. or TES games |
| 08:02.02 | VImtermute | FINAL FANTASY!! |
| 08:02.05 | jetscreamer | real men kill with quake |
| 08:02.07 | \amethyst | sgt-puzzles |
| 08:02.12 | Nyle | i can't stand other games,no patience left for video gaming now |
| 08:02.15 | Nyle | getting too old |
| 08:02.25 | tarzeau | peterS: mystic quest? kq? |
| 08:02.29 | shogunx | real men shoot you down with their wiimote:) |
| 08:02.30 | Nyle | kq!! |
| 08:02.38 | VImtermute | ff!! |
| 08:02.42 | Nyle | i still have all KQ games and thier boxes |
| 08:02.43 | tarzeau | peterS: bloboats? brutalchess? |
| 08:02.45 | xingu | peterS: you could always fire up rss-glx and drop some acid |
| 08:02.45 | VImtermute | ff vii,viii,ix |
| 08:02.48 | VImtermute | iv |
| 08:02.50 | VImtermute | v |
| 08:02.50 | VImtermute | vi |
| 08:02.51 | tarzeau | Nyle: apt-get install kq ? |
| 08:02.56 | Nyle | VImtermute: chill |
| 08:03.00 | peterS | VImtermute: uh...? |
| 08:03.09 | Nyle | tarzeau: no kings quest |
| 08:03.14 | Nyle | not kq console style rpg |
| 08:03.15 | Nyle | :) |
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| 08:03.25 | VImtermute | Nyle, peterS i presume you don't know FF, right? ;) |
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| 08:03.31 | jetscreamer | drug wars |
| 08:03.32 | Nyle | VImtermute: we do |
| 08:03.35 | peterS | you know, there's something rather silly about using the word "final" in a franchise that lasts for 10 or more games |
| 08:03.35 | tarzeau | Nyle: i liked the other sierra games better |
| 08:03.37 | Nyle | VImtermute: you were spamming |
| 08:03.40 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: dopewars!! |
| 08:03.43 | shogunx | xbill |
| 08:03.48 | VImtermute | oh, was i? sorry |
| 08:03.52 | VImtermute | i was intoxicated |
| 08:03.53 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it dopewars i meant |
| 08:03.53 | VImtermute | by FF |
| 08:03.56 | xingu | shogunx: tomatoes! |
| 08:03.57 | shogunx | who can resist squashing little bill gates' |
| 08:04.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dopewars kicks ass |
| 08:04.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:04.10 | peterS | shogunx: if I wanted something like that I'd dig up spispopd |
| 08:04.14 | maddash | q3a! |
| 08:04.24 | shogunx | heh |
| 08:04.30 | peterS | there must be a copy of spispopd somewhere on the internets, and it probably runs under winee |
| 08:04.47 | Nyle | ok, time to go into X |
| 08:05.01 | jetscreamer | !curse nyle's x |
| 08:05.01 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, nyle's x! |
| 08:05.04 | Nyle | ahh crap |
| 08:05.09 | Nyle | I have to recompile fglrx |
| 08:05.12 | maddash | haha |
| 08:05.12 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 08:05.14 | xingu | spipopd, there's a blast from the past |
| 08:05.28 | peterS | xingu: most people active in channel are probably too young to remember (: |
| 08:05.29 | maddash | Nyle: which fglrx are you using? |
| 08:05.42 | Nyle | xingu: idspispopd |
| 08:05.46 | Nyle | walk through walls |
| 08:05.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 08:06.10 | Nyle | maddash: dunno man i haven't booted this box in like 2 months |
| 08:06.11 | jetscreamer | i fart dust but never heard of spipopd |
| 08:06.30 | Nyle | jetscreamer: cheat code in classic doom1/final/ultimate |
| 08:06.38 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:06.49 | xingu | and before that, a lampoon of all this doom hype |
| 08:06.51 | peterS | Nyle: well, the idspispopd cheat code is in honor of the spispopd phenomenon, actually. an inside joke. |
| 08:06.58 | jetscreamer | i never cheat, no need! |
| 08:07.02 | jetscreamer | he |
| 08:07.06 | jetscreamer | h |
| 08:07.06 | Nyle | peterS: i remember reading about it |
| 08:07.19 | maddash | Nyle: what kernel is this? |
| 08:07.20 | peterS | Smashing Pumpkins Into Small Piles Of Putrid Debris |
| 08:07.30 | jetscreamer | i had an 8088 when doom was out :/ |
| 08:07.31 | Nyle | .18-4 |
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| 08:07.51 | Nyle | i should install .20 soon as i read up on it |
| 08:07.51 | perlmonkey | mornin gang |
| 08:07.58 | xingu | I had a hot-rodded 486 by then :) |
| 08:08.00 | maddash | ah. beware of 20.3, fglrx has a bug in its source somewhere |
| 08:08.11 | xingu | go go gadget broken saturn iv "pci" chipsets. |
| 08:08.14 | Nyle | bah, bug shmug |
| 08:08.17 | jetscreamer | Nyle: .20 borks out on this box, the stock image... self compiled works fine. |
| 08:08.29 | maddash | jetscreamer: fglrx? |
| 08:08.31 | Nyle | hmm, thanks for the heads up |
| 08:08.34 | peterS | Nyle: well, the .20 upgrade wasn't too smooth for me, I had to edit my initrd somewhat because yaird (the initrd generator I use) didn't figure it out correctly on the first try |
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| 08:09.10 | jetscreamer | maddash: the linux-image in sources |
| 08:09.26 | Nyle | its almost 3am |
| 08:09.29 | Nyle | i shoudl get to bed |
| 08:09.31 | peterS | Nyle: this because it decided to load the libata modules instead of (well, in addition to) the old IDE modules. which is fine, I'm a fan of libata, but it changes hda to sda and hdc to sdb, and the initrd wasn't quite prepared for that. plus, it forgot to load sd_mod |
| 08:09.34 | maddash | Nyle: 4AM dude |
| 08:09.39 | jetscreamer | Nyle: tzconfig |
| 08:09.45 | maddash | Nyle: 4:09 |
| 08:09.49 | Nyle | what is the eastern time right now? |
| 08:09.54 | jetscreamer | 3am cst |
| 08:09.54 | Nyle | 3 or 4am |
| 08:09.54 | Nyle | ? |
| 08:09.55 | peterS | 4:10 |
| 08:09.59 | Nyle | oh no shit |
| 08:09.59 | maddash | Nyle: ^^^ |
| 08:10.00 | Nyle | damn |
| 08:10.04 | Nyle | i gotta go |
| 08:10.05 | jetscreamer | 3.10 whatever.. ok 11 |
| 08:10.05 | Nyle | g'night |
| 08:10.10 | maddash | LOL |
| 08:10.11 | peterS | heh, poor nyty |
| 08:10.13 | peterS | nyle I mean |
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| 08:10.28 | tarzeau | i'm at the vibrating square level in nethack! |
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| 08:10.48 | jetscreamer | is that ##windows? |
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| 08:11.01 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: no, #nethack |
| 08:11.04 | maddash | isn't tomorrow sunday? |
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| 08:11.09 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: here, it's #debian |
| 08:11.11 | peterS | maddash: today is Sunday |
| 08:11.13 | tarzeau | maddash: today, here |
| 08:11.21 | maddash | bah, today* |
| 08:11.21 | peterS | maddash: unless you're in the Pacific Ocean somewhere |
| 08:11.26 | xingu | someone needs to write a widget that will act as a chalkboard in your root window - so that you can just randomly paste crap onto your desktop, and it'll stick there across sessions until you wipe it |
| 08:11.28 | jetscreamer | i meant the vibrating square level |
| 08:11.39 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yeah it's nethack :) |
| 08:11.49 | maddash | xingu: widget for? |
| 08:11.59 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: to get the amulet of yendor (the real one) |
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| 08:12.15 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: it'll be dangerous, the way back, with yendor in your neck |
| 08:12.27 | jetscreamer | i played nethack a long time ago |
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| 08:12.37 | xingu | firing up a text editor just takes too many damn keypresses and the whole post-its concept and their evil electronic brethren suck the big one |
| 08:12.53 | xingu | the ui concept is simple; select, then paste to root window - and there it is |
| 08:13.41 | xingu | for the beryl freaks, you could even animate them in little conga lines if they were dormant for a few tens of minutes |
| 08:13.59 | Nemoder | heh |
| 08:14.01 | maddash | "ganga lines"? |
| 08:14.05 | peterS | conga lines will please to be staying AWAY from my root windoze |
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| 08:14.49 | xingu | I mean I can't be the only person on channel that has a window open for random text cust/paste bufferage |
| 08:15.15 | xingu | and multi-clipoboards always leave me flaccid for some reason, more complicated to thumb through them than it's worth |
| 08:15.30 | peterS | xingu: I use my irc window for that, actually. when I need to hold a URL temporarily and can't just use the X selection |
| 08:15.51 | xingu | peterS: so you know what I'm on about then... but why not just blat it down on the desktop? |
| 08:15.53 | Nemoder | I'd settle for a hotkey to assign it into a buffer rather than anything more visual to get in the way of my apps |
| 08:16.26 | peterS | xingu: especially handy if I need to cut/paste between an app I'm running in a Linux console and one I'm running in X. since I have irssi running inside 'screen' and simultaneously visible in both environments, it is ideal |
| 08:16.49 | maddash | xingu: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xpostit |
| 08:17.01 | xingu | maddash: been there done that. :) |
| 08:17.21 | xingu | I just want to paste short text strings straight onto the root window |
| 08:17.38 | xingu | I've got to have a root window anyway, the last thing I need are *more* applet windows to obscure my precious pixels |
| 08:17.58 | xingu | unless you're suggesting run xpostit instead of nautilus |
| 08:18.02 | xingu | hmm, might be some mileage in that |
| 08:18.22 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 08:18.49 | Nemoder | I just run mousepad if there's text I need to save before closing an app |
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| 08:19.18 | Nemoder | but it would be nice to have an option to copy it all into an non-visual buffer via hotkey |
| 08:19.29 | shogunx | xingu make a xinerama. then you have twice the pixels. |
| 08:19.34 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 08:19.38 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@r3t43.net.upc.cz] by peterS |
| 08:19.38 | maddash | http://www.mettle.dk/snotes.php |
| 08:19.40 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 08:19.47 | maddash | xingu: http://www.mettle.dk/snotes.php |
| 08:19.53 | maddash | peterS: who was that? |
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| 08:20.48 | peterS | maddash: nyty, whom I accidentally highlighted. he then /msged me to ask about removing a +q which, it turns out, was applied over a month ago when he was being a noisy drunk |
| 08:23.04 | liable | bloody drunk, this channel is full of em |
| 08:23.16 | peterS | liable: for sure. it happens. |
| 08:23.47 | dondelelcaro | I might as well remove the other bans while I'm looking at it |
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| 08:24.06 | dondelelcaro | /ignore #debian MODES; is strongly recommended |
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| 08:24.31 | dondelelcaro | .com.sg |
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| 08:24.49 | dondelelcaro | ne.com.sg |
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| 08:24.56 | shogunx | what, is it amnesty day at #debian? |
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| 08:25.03 | dondelelcaro | m |
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| 08:25.11 | liable | shogunx: the ban list can only be so long |
| 08:25.13 | peterS | shogunx: the ban lists get huge and most of them are dynamic IPs so not really valid for all that long anyway |
| 08:25.16 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 08:25.52 | dondelelcaro | liable: this channel is +P though, so our banlist can get insanely long without hitting the limiters |
| 08:26.06 | maddash | er wtf? |
| 08:27.04 | maddash | no one answered my question before: how do you ban a dial-up user? |
| 08:27.17 | peterS | maddash: you mean from irc or from an email server or....? |
| 08:27.25 | maddash | irc |
| 08:27.41 | peterS | maddash: same way you ban any other user |
| 08:27.43 | dondelelcaro | maddash: we try our best; generally we ban them by nick, network and/or whatever works. |
| 08:28.13 | shogunx | maddash ping of death? |
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| 08:28.27 | peterS | maddash: banning by nick is way too easy to get around, people just change nick, so we generally start by banning by IP address. if they keep hanging up and redialing, we do, as dondelelcaro says, whatever works |
| 08:28.38 | maddash | you can't possibly ban them by ip, since the ip changes with each successive dialing attempt |
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| 08:28.57 | xingu | I wonder how many irc clients support ssl client certificates |
| 08:29.01 | Nemoder | it still takes them time to redial and reconnect |
| 08:29.15 | peterS | maddash: disconnecting teh internets and redialing is a lot of trouble to go to just to troll though. not to mention, spambots don't tend to do that |
| 08:29.25 | wols | xingu: not many at all. irssi does |
| 08:29.29 | peterS | maddash: so it's more effective than you'd think |
| 08:29.45 | xingu | maybe we should raise a bug for that, for every debian irc client |
| 08:29.56 | dondelelcaro | maddash: if it's really bad, we've been known to ban entire isps; but generally we try not to do that |
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| 08:30.03 | maddash | peterS: hm, so dial-up is the perfect troll medium |
| 08:30.13 | wols | peterS: did you ever have to ban whole networks/ISPs? |
| 08:30.40 | wols | xingu: look for silc (the only secured irc protocol I know of) |
| 08:30.41 | xingu | maddash: what's so special about dial-up? most network service providers dynamically allocate addresses. |
| 08:30.43 | peterS | wols: I've been tempted to ban *!*@*.sg and *!*@*.tr a few times, but haven't actually done it. we do ban /24 netblocks sometimes. |
| 08:30.47 | maddash | peterS: why not require dial-up users to register their nic? |
| 08:30.56 | maddash | nick* |
| 08:31.14 | xingu | maddash: and it's a damn-side quicker to tear down and re-establish a pppoe session |
| 08:31.23 | peterS | maddash: that's a vast majority of people in tech support channels so it's equivalent to just requiring everyone to do so before joining. which some channels do. we don't think that's reasonable. |
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| 08:31.28 | maddash | what's sg and tr? |
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| 08:31.38 | peterS | maddash: singapore and turkey |
| 08:31.38 | ewanm89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.46 | peterS | maddash: singapore sometimes breeds the really stupid trolls. a particular ISP in turkey sometimes breeds spambots. |
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| 08:32.47 | maddash | meh. w/e. |
| 08:32.47 | wols | peterS: whenever I encounter countries with people like that, I always ask mysylef "am I a prejudiced SOB for thinking "we should cut the routes to the internet at their borders"? |
| 08:32.50 | maddash | bed time. |
| 08:32.58 | liable | heh, didnt rima get banned a while back. they had some bad tards for a while |
| 08:33.02 | wols | and there are a few more countries like that, not just s.g for me |
| 08:33.03 | wols | :) |
| 08:33.10 | peterS | maddash: the truly perfect troll medium is a service called "tor", which creates truly anonymous internet connections. we actually do ban tor users. |
| 08:33.34 | maddash | peterS: freenode doesn't permit tor connections |
| 08:33.34 | xingu | wols: the way that the human brain /has to/ deal with overwhelming noise by artifically constructing patterns within it is amazing. |
| 08:33.44 | liable | maddash: it does now |
| 08:33.49 | maddash | liable: no. |
| 08:33.58 | maddash | liable: i know, because i've tried. |
| 08:34.07 | wols | peterS: how is tor recognized? |
| 08:34.11 | peterS | maddash: did that change, then? freenode actually had special support for tor, last I checked |
| 08:34.14 | xingu | wols: it doesn't make you an sob, but it does make you human - you're just constructing patterns in the mist, being overwhelmed with datapoints that defy analysis. |
| 08:34.20 | maddash | wols: the *.onion dns name |
| 08:34.28 | peterS | wols: freenode gives tor connections a magic hostmask which is easy to ban |
| 08:34.43 | liable | maddash: you can now have a cloak for tor users, you need to register |
| 08:34.51 | wols | peterS: ok, then how does freenode know it's tor. scanning for the tor port? |
| 08:34.57 | maddash | 04:34:44 -- NOTICE herbert.freenode.net: *** Banned: Tor freenode is hidden-service-only (mejokbp2brhw4omd.onion) - see freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml. (2006/12/22 04.18) |
| 08:34.57 | maddash | 04:34:45 -- : ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Banned) |
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| 08:35.14 | ryx | does anyone know how to get the PATA-ports on a promise TX2 to run (on lenny, 2.6.20) |
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| 08:35.30 | wols | I mean a service by tor "are you a tor obfuscated connection" is obviously detriment to tor's goals |
| 08:35.33 | \amethyst | maddash: yeah, did you read that URL? |
| 08:35.42 | peterS | wols: ask someone other than me. I assume they have a list of exit nodes somewhere |
| 08:35.52 | \amethyst | maddash: it tells you how to connect if you use tor |
| 08:35.52 | peterS | wols: anyway, the #debian ban list includes *!*@gateway/tor/* |
| 08:35.58 | wols | peterS: that is another thing that can't work since tor is dynamic |
| 08:36.19 | maddash | \amethyst: hm, new page. didn''t see it a month ago |
| 08:36.27 | ryx | wols: but the list of tor nodes is rather static |
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| 08:36.32 | wols | maybe they are themselves a tor client and monitor exit nodes, that might work better |
| 08:36.33 | peterS | wols: shrug. don't ask me, I didn't write the code. |
| 08:37.03 | wols | ryx: I can open my own tor exit node if I want to. tor being p2p isn't it the point of having dynamic exit nodes |
| 08:37.06 | peterS | wols: anyway, if you want to use both tor and #debian, get a freenode usercloak so you can be @unaffiliated/wols rather than @gateway/tor/jdhfkjsdkdsfj |
| 08:37.17 | wols | if ther weren't, china could ban tor in a heartbeat: ban all exitnodes |
| 08:37.41 | wols | peterS: no, I'm just thinking how it's suppsoed to work, the detecting of tor clients |
| 08:38.20 | peterS | I'm the wrong guy to ask about how tor works or how freenode tor integration works |
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| 08:39.32 | xingu | wols: silc looks interesting, but it strikes me that s-irc is already out there, and that all that's missing is client-side support for pks or whatever client certs; if you have that client support, you can then require its use for identity management, or, more broadly just shutter the service to anonymous connections under stress (ie, use it as a control point) |
| 08:39.45 | anapivirtua | Bonjour tout le monde / Hi all |
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| 08:40.02 | ryx | last time I checked tor used a central list of nodes (and exitnodes) |
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| 08:40.09 | maddash | anapivirtua: er, isn't that "Hello world"? |
| 08:40.23 | xingu | wols: we're already overloading nickserve for that purpose; why not push it down into the secure sockets layer instead |
| 08:40.24 | anapivirtua | not today :> |
| 08:40.34 | ryx | pata on sata_promise anyone? |
| 08:41.04 | peterS | ryx: what are you asking? |
| 08:41.24 | ryx | I want to get the pata ports working on my pata/sata-expansion card |
| 08:41.33 | ryx | it's a promise TX2+ |
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| 08:41.48 | ryx | it uses the sata_promise module in 2.6.20 |
| 08:41.57 | xingu | ryx: you need upstream libata-dev.git branch. |
| 08:42.03 | ryx | but only the sata-disks are recognized |
| 08:42.11 | xingu | ryx: http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#tx2 |
| 08:43.17 | tnks | I have a CS question that's been bugging me. Maybe someone here can help. I overheard a discussions about resource permissioning and what sounded like a Latin term was used. It had two words with two syllabals, kind of like modus ponens, only something else. |
| 08:43.40 | xingu | ryx: although that is quite old, may '04 from the looks; checking for more recent update. |
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| 08:44.02 | netman1 | Hi All. Tried lm-sensors on two etch systems (different hardware). Ran 'sensors-detect', added the modules (i2c-801 and eeprom on both) to modules.conf and loaded them. When I run 'sensors', it gives me 'No sensors found!' on both. Am I missing something? |
| 08:44.22 | ryx | xingu: there's something interesting in the changelog of 2.6.20, but they're still talking about PATA-patches |
| 08:44.34 | jetscreamer | sensors-detect |
| 08:44.49 | tarzeau | why not use mbmon instead of sensors? |
| 08:44.57 | jetscreamer | oh you need the other module |
| 08:44.58 | Supaplex | how does packages.qa.debian.org know/sense the new upstream version? Where can I download the list it uses to check all that? |
| 08:45.08 | tarzeau | Supaplex: using uwatch |
| 08:45.14 | netman1 | jetscreamer: which other module? |
| 08:45.16 | jetscreamer | the one for the actual chip |
| 08:45.22 | tarzeau | Supaplex: you want the homepage of some package? |
| 08:45.32 | netman1 | tarzeau: Differences/advantages? |
| 08:45.33 | tarzeau | Supaplex: try http://gnu.ethz.ch/DEBIAN/ |
| 08:45.36 | Supaplex | no, not just some package. |
| 08:45.40 | tarzeau | netman1: no kernel modules need |
| 08:45.54 | jetscreamer | but they get autoloaded nowadays |
| 08:46.00 | netman1 | tarzeau: That's definitely an advantage. |
| 08:46.08 | jetscreamer | so not 'exactly' what tarzeau said |
| 08:46.09 | tarzeau | netman1: yes, the kernel is bloated enough already |
| 08:46.14 | tarzeau | netman1: move all stuff to userspace |
| 08:46.25 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: if they are built, at all |
| 08:46.59 | jetscreamer | yeh.. mine is in a stock kernel |
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| 08:48.00 | netman1 | jetscreamer: How do I know which module to use, to test lmsensors? |
| 08:48.16 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: i can't use stock kernels :( |
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| 08:48.58 | netman1 | tarzeau: So advantage mbmon is in userspace (prob. udev?) and more future proof? |
| 08:48.59 | jetscreamer | netman1: sensors-detect 'should' have told you... my guess, is that it's already loaded by udev/whatever |
| 08:49.12 | jetscreamer | netman1: but you would use the one for the chip you have |
| 08:49.14 | tarzeau | netman1: nothing todo with udev. just install and run it |
| 08:49.20 | jetscreamer | lspci | grep something |
| 08:49.32 | wols | many times sensor-detect simply doesn't work |
| 08:49.34 | xingu | ryx: 2.6.20.7 driver has struct ... pdc_pata_ops |
| 08:49.38 | wols | you can also try mbmon |
| 08:49.47 | jetscreamer | netman1: tarzeau is talking about mbmon i think |
| 08:49.49 | xingu | ryx: would tend to assume this will light the lights in a muppetational kind of way. |
| 08:49.53 | netman1 | jetscreamer: yeah, figured that. What kind of device am I looking for? |
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| 08:50.06 | wols | netman1: it's on the smbus. you cannot look for it |
| 08:50.14 | wols | you have to know it's ther. yes it's that shitty |
| 08:50.14 | jetscreamer | netman1: winbondxxxx, lm-xx |
| 08:50.25 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:50.32 | jetscreamer | no idea then.. what wols said |
| 08:50.47 | wols | netman1: what mobo? |
| 08:51.01 | netman1 | wols: ibm thinkpad t43 |
| 08:51.09 | wols | checked the thinkwiki? |
| 08:51.17 | netman1 | wols: other one is a thinkcentre. |
| 08:51.25 | wols | none has info? |
| 08:51.31 | jetscreamer | grep dmesg it's 'probably' autoloaded |
| 08:51.45 | tarzeau | waaaaa i hate beating records in bloboats |
| 08:52.18 | wols | jetscreamer: that would mean udev/kernel/wahtever has better knowledge about hardware than sensors-detect. if it id, why isn't that detection code in sensors-detect already? |
| 08:52.19 | jetscreamer | there are also (unrelated?) kernel modules for thinkpads |
| 08:52.38 | wols | tarzeau: why? cause it gets harder to beat next time? |
| 08:52.40 | jetscreamer | wols: all i know is it autodetects and loads mine |
| 08:52.46 | tarzeau | wols: yeah very damn hard |
| 08:52.56 | tarzeau | wols: and the online records of v3 are unbeatable! tried it? |
| 08:52.57 | scead | Nemoder: any other ideas? :P |
| 08:53.03 | ryx | oh, linux-image is version 2.6.20-1 and linux-source is 2.6.20-2 |
| 08:53.10 | wols | tarzeau: no :) |
| 08:53.11 | Nemoder | scead: reinstall xserver-xorg? :/ |
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| 08:53.23 | ryx | I assumed they were the same |
| 08:53.31 | jetscreamer | ryx: unrelated |
| 08:53.37 | jetscreamer | well mostly |
| 08:53.49 | xingu | ryx: although it only seems to be used for pdc 20619 |
| 08:53.51 | scead | Nemoder: nup |
| 08:53.57 | xingu | ryx: so... you get to be the test case. :) |
| 08:54.13 | scead | jetscreamer: can you link me to nvidia installer please? the website isn't being nice to me :( |
| 08:54.13 | jetscreamer | scead: so did you ever try the nvidia installer? |
| 08:54.24 | scead | no, i haven't yet |
| 08:54.29 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 08:54.49 | Nemoder | scead: don't forget to remove debian nvidia packages if you use their installer |
| 08:55.00 | ryx | I have a pdc20371 |
| 08:55.06 | scead | can't think of anything else? |
| 08:55.20 | scead | i don't particularly want to use nvidia installer :S |
| 08:55.31 | jetscreamer | scead: remember, this is just a loose guideline, there may be more you need to install or do |
| 08:55.33 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 08:55.44 | scead | ok, thanks |
| 08:55.48 | jetscreamer | scead: but if it doesn't work it won't hurt anything |
| 08:56.10 | Trewas | netman1: thinkpad x41 reports temperatures via acpi, no need for lmsensors... maybe t43 does the same |
| 08:56.30 | jetscreamer | like build-essential maybe, or libncurses5-deb |
| 08:56.37 | jetscreamer | err -dev |
| 08:56.52 | ryx | xingu: from reading the changelog there still seem to be promise-pata patches somewhere out there. But I didn't find them so far |
| 08:56.58 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 08:56.59 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:57.09 | xingu | ryx: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0701.0/1629.html <-- appears to have been merged in 2.6.20-rc? and present in 2.6.20.7 at least. |
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| 08:57.43 | xingu | ryx: -ve logic on .flags = is what threw me; mask off ATAPI if it's not needed |
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| 08:57.58 | scead | jetscreamer: here goes nothing..... |
| 08:57.59 | ma3x | hi xingu |
| 08:57.59 | scead | :P |
| 08:58.39 | scead | jetscreamer: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko' |
| 08:58.50 | scead | when i tried using the nvidia installer |
| 08:58.54 | scead | wtf |
| 08:59.31 | jetscreamer | then my best guess is whozee was right, you might have a wonky xorg |
| 08:59.46 | scead | -> Kernel module load error: insmod: error inserting './usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 08:59.46 | jetscreamer | or you're missing something |
| 08:59.53 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 08:59.56 | Nemoder | not loading a kernel module shouldn't have any bearing on xorg |
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| 08:59.59 | jetscreamer | is familiar |
| 09:00.04 | scead | what do i do sir? |
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| 09:00.25 | jetscreamer | but 'that' error is grossly familiar |
| 09:00.30 | scead | it says it was loading the other nvidia in the other kernel |
| 09:00.35 | scead | that i was using |
| 09:00.41 | ryx | thanks a lot, xingu |
| 09:00.45 | scead | i am using the k7 one that Nemoder told me to use |
| 09:00.47 | xingu | ryx: actually I'm not confident about that, the patch is different to in-kernel tree in a couple of key areas |
| 09:00.47 | Supaplex | tarzeau: is uwatch a function of some other program? I can't find anything in searching source package names, etch packages. All I know is that there is a debian/watch file in the source package. I want to know more about how these are suppose to be used, and what automatons already use them. |
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| 09:01.16 | jetscreamer | scead: did you remove --purge the debian nvidia packages first? |
| 09:01.21 | xingu | ryx: I suspect that the libata-dev.git brance has ATA_FLAG_NO_ATAPI /not/ masked out of PDC_COMMON_FLAGS |
| 09:01.27 | scead | jetscreamer: possibly not :P |
| 09:01.30 | xingu | ryx: whereas in-kernel, it clearly is masked out. |
| 09:01.37 | jetscreamer | damn wtf was that .ko format thing |
| 09:01.53 | tarzeau | Supaplex: man uscan |
| 09:02.01 | xingu | ryx: so this might be a 2.6.21 merge still; try with 2.6.20-?, but it's not certain it'll work there |
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| 09:02.03 | jetscreamer | scead: you might try removing them then rerunning the installer |
| 09:02.09 | Nemoder | sounds like the kernel headers don't match the running kernel |
| 09:02.12 | tarzeau | Supaplex: i mean it's for debian/watch files |
| 09:02.18 | tarzeau | Supaplex: and comes w/ devscripts |
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| 09:02.29 | jetscreamer | no it give that error explicitly |
| 09:02.33 | jetscreamer | gives |
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| 09:02.55 | Supaplex | tarzeau: coolness. thanks =) |
| 09:03.06 | Supaplex | thanks lots! :) |
| 09:06.21 | scead | i have an idea |
| 09:06.25 | scead | rawr |
| 09:06.52 | liable | !talk like a pirate |
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| 09:07.26 | scead | nope, didn't work |
| 09:07.53 | scead | jetscreamer: jetguy |
| 09:08.00 | scead | jetscreamer: that nvidia installer thing |
| 09:08.08 | scead | jetscreamer: was that the x86 version? |
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| 09:08.22 | scead | i am running k7 now, Nemoder? |
| 09:08.28 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a good wireless manager which is a GUI and supports WPA2? |
| 09:08.30 | xingu | ryx: http://tinyurl.com/39v84l <-- that's where the pata support was merged for tx2 |
| 09:08.34 | HardDisk_WP | the card itself supports wpa2 |
| 09:08.44 | scead | is k7 a decendant of that? |
| 09:08.45 | Nemoder | scead: it's optimized for athlon yes |
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| 09:08.51 | scead | ok |
| 09:08.59 | scead | so the x86 version should work? |
| 09:09.09 | xingu | ryx: it looks substantially different to the 2.6.20 driver (specifically - line 829+) |
| 09:09.20 | jetscreamer | scead: it doesn't care about k7 or 686 |
| 09:09.24 | scead | ok |
| 09:09.27 | Nemoder | scead: yes if you compile it with correct kernel headers installed |
| 09:09.32 | jetscreamer | it cares if you have the correct headers |
| 09:09.32 | xingu | ryx: until that and later libata-dev.git changes are merged, I figure you're SOL |
| 09:09.38 | scead | i have the correct kernel headers installed |
| 09:09.42 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 09:09.45 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw |
| 09:09.45 | eisen | hm, aptitude seems to have installed both apache2 and apache1 |
| 09:10.01 | jetscreamer | !tell scead -about fix-unmet |
| 09:10.25 | Nemoder | scead: are you by chance running any custom libraries or anything outside of debian that might conflict with the system? |
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| 09:11.01 | scead | nope |
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| 09:11.10 | jetscreamer | self compiled 2.6.20 works fine for me btw ata dude |
| 09:11.39 | jetscreamer | scead: does apt-get install xorg do anything? |
| 09:11.44 | Nemoder | scead: well you can always try compiling your own kernel but it can be a bit of work |
| 09:11.52 | jetscreamer | besides say already newest version |
| 09:11.56 | scead | im thinking about rm -rf / and starting again |
| 09:12.03 | Nemoder | jetscreamer: xserver-xorg |
| 09:12.07 | ryx | :( |
| 09:12.14 | jetscreamer | i didn't ask about xserver-xorg |
| 09:12.23 | Nemoder | oh is there a meta xorg package? |
| 09:12.29 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 09:13.10 | jetscreamer | tasksel doesn't install that, either |
| 09:13.19 | jetscreamer | but it's not required |
| 09:13.22 | roland | how do i do that when i uninstall a package (eg f-spot) with apt, i want to also remove all the dependencies that were installed for the package(eg libraries) |
| 09:13.22 | jair | hey guys so etch is the master now, stable :) |
| 09:13.24 | roland | that i dont need |
| 09:13.37 | jetscreamer | deborphan et al |
| 09:13.43 | jetscreamer | roland^^ |
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| 09:14.02 | scead | i just ran the nvidia installer again, and now i have 2 missing |
| 09:14.03 | scead | (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:14.04 | scead | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:14.35 | scead | stuff this, i am really annoyed now >:-| |
| 09:14.35 | geekbr | scead: problems ? |
| 09:14.44 | scead | xorg and nvidia don't like me |
| 09:14.55 | jetscreamer | you have leftover debian nvidia package somethings is my first take |
| 09:14.58 | jetscreamer | but i don't know |
| 09:14.59 | deadeyes | hi all, I heard that if you install debian and have an existing raid that it will delete the data on the raid. Or I did misunderstand something :s some place where I can find info about raid in debian? |
| 09:15.03 | Nemoder | scead: how are you starting X? |
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| 09:15.12 | scead | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 09:15.15 | geekbr | i think the problem are the kernel .. scead |
| 09:15.15 | scead | and startx |
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| 09:15.25 | scead | i've tried 3 kernels now |
| 09:15.29 | scead | all don't make a difference |
| 09:15.37 | FuzzyB | if I have a file that is hard linked, in two locations with two very different permission sets, are the two going to conflict? |
| 09:15.37 | Nemoder | you don't have any leftover xfree stuff do you? |
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| 09:15.57 | scead | k7, 4-486, 3-486 |
| 09:15.59 | roland | how do i remove dependencies of a package too when i uninstall the package (with apt-get remove ) |
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| 09:16.05 | ofer | roland, aptitude |
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| 09:16.15 | jetscreamer | yes use aptitude |
| 09:16.17 | scead | okay, should i be running amd64 image? |
| 09:16.18 | xingu | FuzzyB: you can't have a hard link with two sets of permissions, that's easy to answer. ;) |
| 09:16.35 | scead | on my athlon64 3700+ ? |
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| 09:16.50 | jetscreamer | sure why not |
| 09:16.58 | scead | jetscreamer: i need to use wine |
| 09:17.13 | roland | but i dunno what dependencies were installed, there were many , i dont remeber |
| 09:17.22 | roland | i cant just select each of them and remove |
| 09:17.33 | scead | jetscreamer: does 32bit apps work in amd64? |
| 09:17.34 | jetscreamer | you might have better luck with the nvidia installer and a non 64bit kernel, but i don't know |
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| 09:17.40 | scead | jetscreamer: like wine apps, i mean |
| 09:17.40 | geekbr | kaos on chanel |
| 09:17.50 | geekbr | wine sux |
| 09:17.50 | deadeyes | roland: I think that happens automatically... someone correct me if I m wrong |
| 09:17.51 | jetscreamer | scead: you can run a 64bit kernel in 32bit userland |
| 09:17.55 | FuzzyB | wine is a pita on amd64 |
| 09:18.01 | scead | jetscreamer: how? |
| 09:18.01 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 09:18.02 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 09:18.04 | jetscreamer | scead: but i know nothing of wine |
| 09:18.17 | Gnea | geekbr: there's nothing wrong with wine. |
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| 09:18.29 | Nemoder | I think most of those issues are from running a 64bit system not just the kernel (if I understand what peterS said) |
| 09:18.34 | xingu | unless you're fooling about with cuda, there's no reason to use the nvidia installer. |
| 09:18.52 | scead | xingu: you've missed alot of my problems :P |
| 09:18.55 | tarzeau | scead: yes there is |
| 09:19.01 | tarzeau | xingu: err for you |
| 09:19.07 | scead | yes there is? |
| 09:19.11 | scead | what is? |
| 09:19.14 | xingu | tarzeau: ? |
| 09:19.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:19.22 | tarzeau | scead: reasons to use the nvidia installer |
| 09:19.27 | scead | ah |
| 09:19.27 | jetscreamer | as i said, i think it's not related to the nvidia installer or the debian nvidia packages, you have a borked xorg or dev env maybe |
| 09:19.29 | xingu | enumerate. :) |
| 09:19.46 | Gnea | xingu: what is cuda? |
| 09:19.52 | Nemoder | I use nvidia installer so I can have the latest drivers. |
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| 09:20.03 | adam0509 | hi |
| 09:20.03 | scead | i am considering just staying with 386 cuz of the more support |
| 09:20.09 | xingu | Gnea: giyf |
| 09:20.12 | scead | adam0509: OH HI <3 |
| 09:20.15 | adam0509 | got a problem in debian etch for installing a Geforce 1 |
| 09:20.18 | perlmonkey | does OVPN have to use a different subnet IP range than your existing one? |
| 09:20.25 | adam0509 | http://pastebin.ca/452471 |
| 09:20.27 | tarzeau | Nemoder: i use it so i can support more than 50 computers with nvidia fully automatic (with 15 custom kernels, autogenerated) |
| 09:20.31 | jetscreamer | i use nvidia-installer because it 'just works' and i could never get the debian packages to work, and now i have no reason to change |
| 09:20.33 | Gnea | !giyf |
| 09:20.34 | dpkg | hmm... giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 09:20.44 | roland | amd64 or em64t wich is better choice / |
| 09:20.45 | Gnea | xingu: well i didn't see it in apt-cache |
| 09:20.52 | tarzeau | Nemoder: we've got 150 debian workstations, but only 50 have nvidia so far. now with 2.6 it's getting even better |
| 09:21.04 | Gnea | hrmmm |
| 09:21.06 | jetscreamer | you don't want em64t unless you know you want it |
| 09:21.06 | xingu | Gnea: that's right, you won't; try "nvidia cuda" as a google search |
| 09:21.16 | perlmonkey | hi Gnea |
| 09:21.20 | Gnea | xingu: already on it |
| 09:21.23 | Gnea | perlmonkey: yo |
| 09:21.25 | roland | isnt core 2 duo better performer than athlong64 x2? |
| 09:21.28 | roland | like better performance |
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| 09:21.35 | scead | okay guys, i've had enough of playing etc etc. i need to get this system up |
| 09:21.38 | adam0509 | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free and deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free in my sources.list... |
| 09:21.43 | scead | im gunna rm -rf / and reinstall |
| 09:21.49 | mindframe- | what does debian use to automatically update fluxbox menus with new apps and such? |
| 09:21.52 | scead | thanks heaps for all your help, i appreciate it |
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| 09:21.57 | scead | too bad we didn't get it working |
| 09:22.11 | xingu | tarzeau: problem seems to be the custom kernels bit |
| 09:22.17 | peterS | mindframe-: debian invented its own menu system, in the 'menu' package, with the 'update-menus' program, which fluxbox has a plugin for |
| 09:22.23 | Nemoder | scead: you should be able to switch back to the regular nv driver just to get X working |
| 09:22.29 | tarzeau | xingu: they are built using make-kpkg |
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| 09:22.43 | scead | Nemoder: i can, but i just want to fix it permanently |
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| 09:22.45 | bon | perlmonkey: i think it's suggested to use another subnet |
| 09:22.47 | tarzeau | xingu: the debian kernels don't build kernel_source using make-kpkg which is the main problem for me |
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| 09:22.51 | adam0509 | PLEASE, do someone knows how to install nvidia legacy drivers from the repositery ???? |
| 09:22.52 | scead | i have the time atm, but i won't after tomorrow |
| 09:23.02 | Gnea | xingu: ok |
| 09:23.03 | scead | adam0509: apt-cache search nvidia |
| 09:23.04 | Gnea | !cuda |
| 09:23.04 | dpkg | well, cuda is Compute Unified Device Architecture, some sort of new-fangled NVidia programming thing that allows Windows and Linux users to program for it. see http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html for more information. |
| 09:23.07 | tarzeau | xingu: the other is debian kernels don't work on latest hardware (being a linux problem, can be solved when you stay with the latest linux kernel + patches) |
| 09:23.12 | bon | perlmonkey: eg. not to mix subnets and use a separate one for ovpn |
| 09:23.13 | xingu | tarzeau: you could install the custom kernels on your build host and use m-a from there as a user (fakeroot) |
| 09:23.34 | tarzeau | xingu: i build kernels on our build host :) |
| 09:23.34 | scead | Nemoder, jetscreamer: thanks guys |
| 09:23.45 | Nemoder | scead: np, hope the reinstall fixes it for ya |
| 09:23.45 | tarzeau | xingu: but without m-a, debian doesn't have the latest nvidia drivers |
| 09:23.48 | premier_ | hello, I know this is a loaded question, but how stable is kubuntu compared to debian? |
| 09:23.51 | scead | i'll be back on later to let you know how it rolls :) |
| 09:23.52 | Gnea | adam0509: yes, some people know. |
| 09:23.55 | tarzeau | premier_: #ubuntu |
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| 09:24.04 | xingu | tarzeau: just m-a -l k.e.rn.l -u buildroot/k.e.rn.l/ build nvidia |
| 09:24.05 | jetscreamer | no, #kubuntu |
| 09:24.11 | Gnea | premier_: define 'stable' |
| 09:24.29 | adam0509 | I like to install my geforce 1 for XORG |
| 09:24.30 | jetscreamer | premier_: compare #debian with #ubuntu |
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| 09:24.39 | premier_ | well, what I mean is, how much does stuff "just work?" |
| 09:24.40 | xingu | tarzeau: as an ordinary user; et voila, out pops the image; the prereq is - your build host has to have all the custom images installed locally. |
| 09:24.44 | jetscreamer | use the xorg nv driver |
| 09:25.00 | adam0509 | just the xorg nv ? |
| 09:25.08 | xingu | tarzeau: I know this because I do it. :) |
| 09:25.08 | peterS | premier_: we don't know, we don't use kubuntu |
| 09:25.24 | tarzeau | xingu: i prefer my linux-image-2.6.20.7-1_LOL.8_i386.deb kernels |
| 09:25.27 | premier_ | because, theres bugs and errors that takes hours to fix in ubuntu... the kind of stuff that would "just work" in windows |
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| 09:25.40 | adam0509 | I want the proprietary drivers... :/ |
| 09:25.42 | tarzeau | xingu: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 09:25.54 | tarzeau | adam0509: same here. to play bloboats and brutalchess, right? |
| 09:25.55 | xingu | tarzeau: I package my own kernels too. :) |
| 09:25.56 | perlmonkey | has anyone setup VPN? |
| 09:26.03 | xingu | tarzeau: and believe me, m-a can cope |
| 09:26.05 | FuzzyB | of course not |
| 09:26.05 | tarzeau | xingu: fully automatic? |
| 09:26.08 | FuzzyB | who would need that |
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| 09:26.16 | perlmonkey | I need to know if VPN requires a different subnet IP range to the existing one? |
| 09:26.23 | xingu | tarzeau: hasn't been necessary so far, but it'd be trivial |
| 09:26.27 | FuzzyB | depends on what your doing with it |
| 09:26.30 | jetscreamer | hey a better question zomg |
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| 09:26.53 | adam0509 | could somethin paste me his sources.list ?? |
| 09:26.54 | perlmonkey | sheesh im getting lots of interference on my screen here |
| 09:26.56 | perlmonkey | lines |
| 09:26.58 | tarzeau | xingu: it'd be trivial? not if you want the kernel configs be optimized for your arch |
| 09:27.00 | peterS | perlmonkey: the 'tinc' package is really really easy to configure - took me about 30 minutes to get a vpn up and going, _including_ the RTFM portion. however, it's kinda nonstandard, you have to be using tinc everywhere (it supports linux, win32, solaris) and some people think it's somewhat insecure. openvpn has a better reputation and is also said to be fairly easy to set up. anything IPsec based is harder. |
| 09:27.08 | tarzeau | xingu: that's why i have dphys-kernel-packages :) |
| 09:27.34 | xingu | tarzeau: yes, it would be trivial if you wanted the kernel configs to be optimized for each host, let alone arch |
| 09:27.38 | jetscreamer | so i want to run my kernel on my gpu via cuda |
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| 09:27.43 | perlmonkey | peterS: thanks for the info, I might take a look at tinc then |
| 09:27.43 | tarzeau | xingu: how so? |
| 09:27.55 | xingu | tarzeau: .config templates. |
| 09:27.56 | bon | perlmonkey: go ahead with openvpn |
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| 09:28.10 | tarzeau | xingu: .config changes w/ every kernel upgrade |
| 09:28.11 | bon | perlmonkey: between two locations you can have tunnel up and running within 5 minutes |
| 09:28.16 | xingu | tarzeau: no kidding |
| 09:28.22 | peterS | perlmonkey: honestly also look at openvpn. I haven't used it so I can't tell you about it, but people _say_ it's not hard. and is secure, which they say tinc may not be |
| 09:28.34 | perlmonkey | i got to the Simple Example on OpenVPN but I am confused about whether or not it uses the existing subnet IP range 192.168.1.x etc, or whether it needs a new separate IP range? |
| 09:28.41 | xingu | tarzeau: the key is that no matter what you're doing with make-kpkg (this doesn't change!) that m-a can use a defined scratch directory that is not usr/src |
| 09:28.42 | tarzeau | xingu: and make oldconfig isn't perfect (it gets interactive, and can need manual intervention) |
| 09:28.51 | bon | perlmonkey: separate |
| 09:28.54 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:28.55 | bon | perlmonkey: i told you already |
| 09:28.58 | xingu | tarzeau: ... when run as a user; so just let it, one per kernel tree that you're building against. |
| 09:29.04 | perlmonkey | bon: sorry :-/ I didnt see your reply |
| 09:29.09 | bon | perlmonkey: http://openvpn.net/static.html |
| 09:29.11 | bon | read this |
| 09:29.14 | bon | quick'n'dirty |
| 09:29.16 | tarzeau | xingu: i wish make-kpkg would support using two cpus (as in make -j2) |
| 09:29.16 | perlmonkey | I got much interference on my monitor here not sure what is causing it |
| 09:29.18 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 09:29.29 | xingu | tarzeau: it can - set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 09:29.37 | Gnea | premier_: ok, let's get something clear - [k]ubuntu is not debian, the only similiarity the distros share is the fact that they use the same package format, that's IT! they don't use the exact same packages, and since debian is geared toward servers and not workstations, it's really not a fair comparison to begin with. |
| 09:29.41 | tarzeau | xingu: since which version? |
| 09:29.47 | xingu | tarzeau: in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf even if you like |
| 09:29.50 | xingu | tarzeau: since forever |
| 09:29.53 | xingu | :) |
| 09:30.00 | xingu | read the fine manpage |
| 09:30.00 | tarzeau | xingu: damn! |
| 09:30.03 | perlmonkey | bon: wow that seems so simple |
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| 09:30.12 | tarzeau | xingu: i could've done the 15 kernels in 2,5 hours instead of 5 |
| 09:30.16 | bon | perlmonkey: it _is_ simple :) |
| 09:30.16 | jetscreamer | Gnea: more like same packages that they take from debian and mod up a tiny bit.. they still have packages with the work 'debian' in them |
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| 09:30.19 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 09:30.19 | xingu | tarzeau: :) |
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| 09:30.24 | jetscreamer | at least, i think so |
| 09:30.27 | tarzeau | xingu: i'll try that on monday, thanks |
| 09:30.29 | perlmonkey | simple is good, especially if you're a monkey |
| 09:30.38 | jetscreamer | s/work/word/ |
| 09:30.57 | Gnea | jetscreamer: oh yeah? |
| 09:31.13 | bon | now i'd appreciate someone with drbd experience :) |
| 09:31.17 | xingu | tarzeau: tip #2 - put gobs of memory (2G+) into your build host |
| 09:31.22 | jetscreamer | yeh based on sid iirc |
| 09:31.32 | xingu | tarzeau: build #2+ should be a 100% vfs-cache-hit if you do that. |
| 09:32.20 | netman1 | tarzeau: mbmon gives similar problems as lm-sensors, although a bit more informing: "No Hardware Monitor found". |
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| 09:33.16 | jetscreamer | go to ibm.com and find out what chip it has |
| 09:33.23 | xingu | tarzeau: nb I'm getting about 5min per compile on a t7200 notebook. :) but that's after literally years of pruning things out of config that aren't needed in my mix |
| 09:33.23 | jetscreamer | or whereever |
| 09:33.49 | xingu | tarzeau: setting CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 which seems reasonable |
| 09:33.50 | jetscreamer | or google |
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| 09:34.33 | peterS | xingu: investing years of human time, to get a payoff of slightly less computer time, seems a bit inefficient |
| 09:34.38 | tarzeau | netman1: then your computer doesn't have such a sensor that mbmon knows about |
| 09:34.40 | perlmonkey | t7200 notebook, is that a Toshiba? |
| 09:34.52 | scead | aragh, half an hour of downloading 150megs of netinstall |
| 09:34.55 | scead | how slow :( |
| 09:35.00 | peterS | xingu: I mean, the general trend of technology is to make the machine do more work so we can do less, not the other way around |
| 09:35.10 | jetscreamer | scead: get the businesscard |
| 09:35.17 | jetscreamer | 50megs or so |
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| 09:35.18 | scead | jetscreamer: whats that do? |
| 09:35.19 | xingu | peterS: the point is to learn my way around the kernel source; and I figure I'm not making a total ballsup of that so far ;) |
| 09:35.30 | tarzeau | xingu: we've got like 150 workstations, all not the same hw... so pretty much drivers that we absolutely need. 19 minutes/kernel |
| 09:35.32 | jetscreamer | it's just a little smaller than the netinst |
| 09:35.33 | scead | !businesscard |
| 09:35.33 | dpkg | If you want to install Sid and don't want to download useless stuff, use the businesscard image |
| 09:35.44 | scead | har har |
| 09:35.46 | scead | i'll do that |
| 09:35.47 | tarzeau | xingu: i've got a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+ |
| 09:35.48 | scead | thanks mate |
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| 09:36.21 | perlmonkey | 150 workstations! are you a big corp? |
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| 09:36.22 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 09:36.22 | jetscreamer | the netinst has base on it, or so.. the businesscard has to d/l it |
| 09:36.26 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: http://www.debian.org/users/edu/ethz_phys |
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| 09:36.29 | FuzzyB | a big corp needs more than 150 workstations |
| 09:36.32 | Gnea | jetscreamer: what pisses me off is that ubuntu is extremely vague about their basis with Debian on their webpage |
| 09:36.50 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 09:36.51 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: that's just the linux ones, of part of the department |
| 09:37.04 | tarzeau | of one department that is :) |
| 09:37.09 | FuzzyB | i could care less |
| 09:37.19 | tarzeau | there's twice as much ip addresses compared to mit.edu at ethz.ch |
| 09:37.20 | FuzzyB | i just think it's funny he thinks 150 workstations equal a big corperation |
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| 09:37.24 | perlmonkey | tarzeau: do you monitor energy efficiency etc? |
| 09:37.27 | jetscreamer | Gnea: yeah that failure to give due credit, imo, and the general iq of the respective channels, is basically why i've never even looked at ubuntu |
| 09:37.31 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: true |
| 09:37.36 | Gnea | FuzzyB: only 150? heh |
| 09:37.42 | FuzzyB | i know |
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| 09:37.45 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: we monitor temperatures and stuff: http://bb.phys.ethz.ch and printers |
| 09:38.06 | dooglus | I'm trying to update my debian sid system. it's hanging for hours on this step: Setting up initramfs-tools (0.87b) ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:38.09 | Gnea | FuzzyB: get that boy to a real call center ;) |
| 09:38.10 | tarzeau | perlmonkey: since the computers also run distributed computing stuff using wisconsin condor, we prefer to have them turned on. monitors go to blank after some time |
| 09:38.17 | jetscreamer | that and it's so damn mambypamby |
| 09:38.21 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:38.30 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:38.31 | dooglus | checking with 'ps', the process which is hanging is: "/sbin/lilo.real -t". any idea why? or how to fix it? |
| 09:39.06 | jetscreamer | dooglus: do not reboot until you rerun lilo successfully, imo |
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| 09:39.37 | dooglus | jetscreamer: I think this happened last time I tried updating, and then I did find some way to work around it I think, although I can't remember what it was now. |
| 09:39.50 | FuzzyB | So if I have a web application on one machine that i'm writing to take care of the whole network, and I want to allow this web application to restart an init script and edit a file in etc, can anyone think of a real simple way that doesn't involve cron scripts and polling? |
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| 09:39.53 | jetscreamer | change to grub? |
| 09:40.04 | tarzeau | someone tried grub2 w/ etch yet? |
| 09:40.06 | dooglus | jetscreamer: note that the '-t' flag is 'only test' - so it might not have broken anything yet |
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| 09:40.20 | scead | there is a grub2? |
| 09:40.24 | tarzeau | scead: yes |
| 09:40.24 | scead | holy shi- |
| 09:40.28 | scead | whats the difference? |
| 09:40.29 | xingu | peterS: playing with linux in that kind of depth as a hobby which interest me, makes me good at my job; and at the rates I get paid, it seems to be working out ok so far; the point isn't the 5min kernel compile, I was just giving that to tarzeau as a comparible as his are evidently taking ~10min per cpu per build |
| 09:40.38 | jetscreamer | yes but it isn't finished or something |
| 09:40.39 | ma3x | why when I type debootstrap -arch i386 sid /var/sid-386-chroot http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ nothing happens? |
| 09:40.58 | tarzeau | xingu, peterS 19 minutes |
| 09:41.09 | xingu | peterS: commercially, I'll go for productivity weighted arguments every time, I can be a pretty pragmatic guy when it comes to extracting the most cash in the last time :) |
| 09:41.24 | tarzeau | xingu: i guess it'll about halve on my smp host |
| 09:41.31 | xingu | :) |
| 09:41.31 | ma3x | hey tarzeau you know some easy way to run 32bit iceweasel on 64bit debian? |
| 09:41.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: no. and i hate mozilla. i use links2 -g |
| 09:42.03 | utrrrongeeb | Following upgrading to etch, GDM displays text characters as little boxes. |
| 09:42.06 | tarzeau | ma3x: you want flash right? |
| 09:42.10 | ma3x | tarzeau yes! |
| 09:42.21 | jetscreamer | utrrrongeeb: you need some fonts i think |
| 09:42.22 | tarzeau | the damn adobe crap software plugin kills my sound apps |
| 09:42.27 | nyty | hi |
| 09:42.27 | xingu | s/last/least/ |
| 09:42.38 | jetscreamer | utrrrongeeb: try apt-get install xorg |
| 09:42.39 | ma3x | tarzeau so you don't have flash too |
| 09:42.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: i have flash gordon |
| 09:43.00 | dooglus | hmmm, seems I have 6 separate 'lilo -t' processes running at the same time |
| 09:43.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Gordon |
| 09:43.25 | jetscreamer | you mean flesh gordon no doubt... |
| 09:43.26 | xingu | dooglus: perhaps they're conspiring to take over firstly your machine, then the world |
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| 09:43.41 | scead | someone tell me something cool about debian that i don't know about yet :P |
| 09:43.46 | dooglus | xingu: perhaps, although it sounds a little unlikely |
| 09:43.47 | ryx | xingu: ChangeLog-2.6.21-rc1: sata_promise: TX2plus PATA support |
| 09:43.48 | melodos | how can i load compiz manager on deb? |
| 09:43.48 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: beware or i send my flagship over to you: http://marshallbrain.com/gif/flash-gordon.jpg |
| 09:43.49 | scead | im bored waiting for this business card to download |
| 09:43.52 | jetscreamer | !apt-get moo |
| 09:43.53 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 09:44.00 | scead | lol, saw that :P |
| 09:44.19 | xingu | !tell melodos about beryl |
| 09:44.19 | jetscreamer | debian is better than viagra |
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| 09:44.27 | scead | while i was waiting, i downloaded moc music player |
| 09:44.31 | melodos | ive downloaded all the stuff needed for compiz and now i dont know how to configure it , its not beryl.. |
| 09:44.33 | ma3x | tarzeau links-2 has flash? |
| 09:44.36 | ryx | a lot of things are better than viagra... |
| 09:44.36 | scead | now that is an awesome player |
| 09:44.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 09:44.43 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: haha http://www.carteles.metropoliglobal.com/galerias/data/707/1c61uz5eX33t0qRXe3g4h4Bq4b38XnWXw.jpg |
| 09:44.44 | ma3x | tarzeau so you don't use/view it |
| 09:44.51 | liable | melodos: /usr/share/doc/compiz |
| 09:44.51 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: nice, got the movie as divx ? |
| 09:44.53 | utrrrongeeb | jetscreamer: I have Windows fonts as symlinks in /usr/local/share/fonts/winttf/. If I rename one of those font symlinks, and restart GDM, GDM uses the graphical greeter with readable characters until I change the greeter theme. Then it goes back to the little boxes. I can live with this, but the behaviour is odd. |
| 09:44.57 | ma3x | tarzeau what if you want to watch something on youtube? |
| 09:44.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: exactly |
| 09:45.10 | peterS | ma3x: that is why we have keepvid.com and mplayer |
| 09:45.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: i have mplayer. i don't use movies in a webbrowser |
| 09:45.41 | peterS | ma3x: well and the youtube-dl package, but I haven't used that |
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| 09:46.28 | tarzeau | peterS: which version of mplayer do you use? |
| 09:46.36 | ma3x | so how do I play a youtube clip? |
| 09:46.40 | ma3x | for ex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZvLg_fIROA |
| 09:46.47 | ma3x | if you run it with mplayer, nothing happens |
| 09:46.55 | jetscreamer | the vlc mozilla plugin seems to be good for youtube |
| 09:46.59 | markit | hi, I have to install the same packages that I have in computer A, also in computer B. I've read about a method with dselect, but would like to use aptitude instead (is better ok?). Any tips? |
| 09:47.11 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 09:47.12 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 09:47.12 | peterS | tarzeau: dunno, whatever's in sid. some youtube videos advertise the wrong FPS, you have to use '-fps 25' (PAL as opposed to NTSC) for the audio to sync properly |
| 09:47.14 | ma3x | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player. |
| 09:47.22 | jetscreamer | the second one markit |
| 09:47.35 | tarzeau | peterS: yeh, but it can't do mencoder .. gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ my build :) |
| 09:47.47 | ma3x | so how can i play that clip? |
| 09:47.54 | tarzeau | reminds me i should update the dependencies |
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| 09:48.02 | scead | macromedia? |
| 09:48.04 | scead | whats that :P |
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| 09:48.16 | ma3x | adobe |
| 09:48.25 | peterS | it's the name of a division of Adobe that produces certain multimedia tools |
| 09:48.25 | jetscreamer | that clip works fine here |
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| 09:48.29 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 09:48.32 | scead | leet hax |
| 09:49.04 | ma3x | jetscreamer it fills some percentage of the cache and it stops |
| 09:49.15 | ma3x | maybe because of the w32codecs? I don't have them installed |
| 09:49.24 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 09:49.42 | jetscreamer | i use the shotgun approach to multimedia |
| 09:49.47 | compDo | How can I play WMV video files under Etch? Gmplayer and xine have problems with most of the videos |
| 09:50.00 | ma3x | anyway another thing is: i have the frglx driver, and it doesnt run xv |
| 09:50.01 | jetscreamer | use the shotgun approach compDo |
| 09:50.02 | ma3x | how come? |
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| 09:50.03 | tarzeau | compDo: can i have a copy of your wmv? |
| 09:50.04 | jetscreamer | works every time |
| 09:50.13 | markit | jetscreamer: but that method will avoid aptitude and it's advantages over apt-get, no? |
| 09:50.28 | jetscreamer | uh... |
| 09:50.37 | markit | btw, when I tried that method time ago, it failed miserably... |
| 09:50.52 | ma3x | can somebody check http://pastebin.ca/452498 |
| 09:51.32 | nyty | i know the fucking sentences about [' linux is not for games '] |
| 09:51.34 | jetscreamer | exactly which method? i'm looking at 2 possibles |
| 09:51.41 | nyty | Do you accept it ? |
| 09:52.00 | jetscreamer | nyty: strange, id games run better with linux |
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| 09:52.07 | markit | jetscreamer: you suggested me "the second one", but in any case they both work with hte same principles |
| 09:52.12 | nyty | yes :-) |
| 09:52.14 | nyty | but others too |
| 09:52.18 | nyty | wine can emulate everythink |
| 09:52.22 | xand | depends on the game |
| 09:52.31 | nyty | yep |
| 09:52.40 | nyty | i have small problem with starcraft |
| 09:52.45 | jetscreamer | ah markit yes the --get-selections. well just substitute aptitude for apt-get |
| 09:53.03 | ma3x | tarzeau go to yahoo.com with links2 -g ; it looks poor |
| 09:53.06 | nyty | with chapping |
| 09:53.09 | nyty | anyoe know ? |
| 09:53.14 | nyty | small chapping in game |
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| 09:53.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: looks fine to me |
| 09:53.36 | xand | what's "chapping"? |
| 09:54.06 | xingu | it's when your director walks up to a group of people who are otherwise busy and says "hello chaps" |
| 09:54.09 | jetscreamer | chopping probably |
| 09:54.10 | scead | its like crapping, except it makes a clap sound |
| 09:54.14 | jetscreamer | aka choppy |
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| 09:54.22 | nyty | or jerking |
| 09:54.23 | jetscreamer | nyty: glxinfo |
| 09:54.25 | nyty | or i dont know |
| 09:54.28 | scead | lol |
| 09:54.34 | nyty | but only small |
| 09:54.41 | nyty | small chaping but problems :| |
| 09:54.55 | nyty | i have glx great |
| 09:55.01 | nyty | enemy territory works bestr |
| 09:55.30 | dooglus | jetscreamer: I couldn't get lilo to run successfully, so I rebooted. 'debian' wouldn't boot (kernel panic) not 'OLDdebian' would, and from there I could 'dpkg --configure -a' successfully, too. So I think it's OK now. |
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| 09:55.57 | bwerf | i've got a core 2 duo machine and would like to try 64bit linux |
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| 09:56.01 | jetscreamer | dooglus: good you had a backup configured in lilo. you might want to go grub. |
| 09:56.07 | bwerf | should i take the amd64 or ia64 build ? |
| 09:56.12 | FuzzyB | bwerf: amd64 |
| 09:56.15 | jetscreamer | ia64 is itanium |
| 09:56.15 | scead | what is the difference between grub and grub2? |
| 09:56.18 | FuzzyB | ia64 is itianium |
| 09:56.19 | scead | besides the name |
| 09:56.23 | jetscreamer | do you have an itanium proc? |
| 09:56.26 | FuzzyB | haha |
| 09:56.30 | xand | scead: grub2 supports more stuff... read grub website |
| 09:56.31 | FuzzyB | he wishes |
| 09:56.32 | bwerf | you might want to rename it to x64 to make it clearer |
| 09:56.42 | xingu | might we |
| 09:56.44 | FuzzyB | bwerf blame intel and amd |
| 09:56.49 | scead | xand: i would, except i think id die if i keep using lynx |
| 09:56.57 | jetscreamer | !blame intel & amd |
| 09:57.05 | scead | hurry up and download business card |
| 09:57.08 | xingu | actually it'd need to be x172 |
| 09:57.09 | scead | 75% |
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| 09:57.18 | nyty | hmm |
| 09:57.20 | Dreamlinux | hi budys |
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| 09:57.24 | nyty | does anyoe know this problem ? |
| 09:57.27 | nyty | i think some with D3d : |
| 09:57.31 | nyty | but how to fix it in wine |
| 09:57.33 | scead | !blame nvidia |
| 09:57.37 | Dreamlinux | jeje i have a problem too |
| 09:57.37 | jetscreamer | !tell nyty -about enter |
| 09:57.38 | scead | har har |
| 09:57.43 | Dreamlinux | whit the nvidia driver |
| 09:57.58 | Dreamlinux | see... | -> Using the kernel source path '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7/' as |
| 09:57.58 | Dreamlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.58 | Dreamlinux | ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in |
| 09:57.58 | Dreamlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.58 | Dreamlinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:57.59 | scead | Dreamlinux: did i fark you over like it did to me? |
| 09:58.03 | scead | holy shi- |
| 09:58.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:58.22 | FuzzyB | and the smacketh downeth has been laid |
| 09:58.27 | xand | eth |
| 09:58.31 | scead | leet hax |
| 09:58.32 | jetscreamer | hath |
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| 09:58.44 | Gnea | pure pwnage. |
| 09:58.46 | scead | pwnd. |
| 09:58.49 | jetscreamer | Dreamlinux: #nvidia |
| 09:58.57 | Dreamlinux | yep |
| 09:58.59 | FuzzyB | go flood them |
| 09:59.00 | FuzzyB | they like it |
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| 09:59.06 | scead | sexually |
| 09:59.15 | Gnea | scead: enough. |
| 09:59.16 | xingu | make sure you set up a paste on join first though |
| 09:59.17 | peterS | grow up |
| 09:59.19 | jetscreamer | Dreamlinux: but that said you need to apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 09:59.35 | nyty | okay :-) jet but wtf with it ? |
| 09:59.41 | jetscreamer | and pkg-config and xserver-xorg-dev |
| 09:59.42 | scead | too much rum and coke, and not enough speed on this damn internet connection :( |
| 09:59.43 | Dreamlinux | i have installed |
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| 10:00.00 | Dreamlinux | also.. |
| 10:00.04 | Gnea | more like, too many brain cells being destroyed ;) |
| 10:00.15 | peterS | scead: if you're already drinking rum, the last thing you need is speed |
| 10:00.20 | scead | lol |
| 10:00.26 | jetscreamer | nyty: no i've never done wine |
| 10:00.40 | Dreamlinux | xorg-dev is necesary or not? |
| 10:00.40 | xingu | peterS: how many hours before you have to wake up again? ;) |
| 10:01.01 | peterS | xingu: fewer than before |
| 10:01.09 | jetscreamer | Dreamlinux: xserver-xorg-dev and pkg-config help the nvidia-installer do it's job right |
| 10:01.21 | Dreamlinux | ok |
| 10:01.25 | peterS | xingu: I'm finally getting tired, though. so I might nod off yet |
| 10:01.47 | Dreamlinux | this 2 packages are installed |
| 10:01.59 | jelly-home | nyty: you might want to ask in #winehq ... You'll probably be asked back whether you have the newest wine, and to upgrade it, so you might as well do that first. Note that Debian often DOESN'T have the newest wine packaged. |
| 10:02.08 | jetscreamer | and the linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 10:02.16 | Dreamlinux | yep |
| 10:02.26 | Dreamlinux | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 10:02.28 | jetscreamer | 'should' work now |
| 10:03.08 | jetscreamer | you can pass --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r` if it borks again |
| 10:03.29 | jetscreamer | err |
| 10:03.47 | jetscreamer | you can pass --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include (no trailing / ) if it borks again |
| 10:03.50 | Dreamlinux | ii xserver-xorg-d 1.1.1-21 X.Org X server -- development files |
| 10:03.51 | Dreamlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.59 | xingu | jelly-home: we prefer vintage reserve here. |
| 10:04.01 | Dreamlinux | jeje |
| 10:04.04 | roland | sugest please a nice gui email client, i need it to be simple , and not thunderbird |
| 10:04.11 | jelly-home | hmm. I have a huge upgrade in progress, is there a way to skip running ldconfig for each lib* package installed? |
| 10:04.20 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
| 10:04.39 | Dreamlinux | i dont have installed the packages "linux-headers |
| 10:04.40 | jetscreamer | under the ~ |
| 10:04.40 | Dreamlinux | " |
| 10:04.43 | jetscreamer | key |
| 10:04.58 | xingu | jelly-home: yep; mv /sbin/ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig.fake && ln /bin/true /sbin/ldconfig |
| 10:04.59 | jetscreamer | paste what i typed |
| 10:05.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 10:05.09 | ma3x | I tried to run iceweasel from chroot and it says (firefox-bin:3349): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 10:05.17 | xingu | jelly-home: used to do that myself when times were lean and dram was expensive |
| 10:05.19 | jetscreamer | or aptitude |
| 10:05.23 | jelly-home | xingu: I could have told myself that. :-) |
| 10:05.29 | FuzzyB | anyone around that's done iscsi? |
| 10:05.58 | jelly-home | xingu: except I'd do mv /sbin/ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig.real :-) |
| 10:06.03 | dimir | Moin. |
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| 10:06.32 | xingu | jelly-home: I'm sure there's a place in hell for me now having done it, but I did that for years and got away with it |
| 10:07.02 | ma3x | hellooooooooooo |
| 10:07.02 | sepski | ma3x, check your display variable ? |
| 10:07.02 | sepski | have use used su ? use sux instead |
| 10:07.02 | ma3x | sepski what does that mean? |
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| 10:07.03 | roland | anyone sugest please a simplistic gui-based MUA ? |
| 10:07.03 | ma3x | sepski I typed schroot firefox -p |
| 10:07.04 | roland | not thunderbird |
| 10:07.22 | jelly-home | xingu: but... it's not fake, it's da real thing! :-((( |
| 10:07.37 | FuzzyB | roland: icedove? |
| 10:07.47 | xingu | jelly-home: oddball maintainers tend to overwrite ${soname}.real with their own creative horseplay from time to time |
| 10:07.49 | roland | ok i'll check |
| 10:07.49 | sepski | instead of firefox do echo $DISPLAY ? |
| 10:08.11 | xingu | jelly-home: I've never see one use ${soname}.fake ;) |
| 10:08.43 | sepski | and compare it to same output as your regular login have |
| 10:08.45 | ma3x | I: [sid chroot] Running command: âecho :0.0â |
| 10:08.45 | ma3x | :0.0 |
| 10:09.05 | ma3x | it's the same |
| 10:09.21 | roland | if i use a mua i dont need to use a webmail system anymore right ? |
| 10:09.35 | roland | i can choose between mua or webmail |
| 10:09.45 | roland | webmail is suited for imap mta ? |
| 10:10.04 | xand | how should we know? |
| 10:10.04 | sepski | roland, imap is not a mta |
| 10:10.06 | jelly-home | ma3x: aand, do you have your Xauthority files and the X socket in the chroot? |
| 10:10.19 | roland | sepski: i know but i was pointing something else |
| 10:10.33 | xand | sepski: learn about "," and "and" |
| 10:10.36 | roland | imap lets you acces and store the emails on the mta right? |
| 10:10.38 | xand | erm sorry, roland |
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| 10:10.42 | xand | not sepski |
| 10:10.53 | xand | roland: please stop using TLAs |
| 10:10.57 | jetscreamer | zomg bad grammar!!! clamfs: An user-space anti-virus protected file system |
| 10:11.01 | roland | whats a tla |
| 10:11.12 | christof | someone already configured an ldap with several domain using the top level isp? |
| 10:11.13 | xand | !tla |
| 10:11.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch> |
| 10:11.20 | roland | lol ok |
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| 10:11.24 | roland | no more technical terms |
| 10:11.32 | xand | because you use them wrongly :P |
| 10:11.43 | roland | why do i use them wrongly? |
| 10:11.49 | roland | maybe you dont understand what i want to say actually |
| 10:11.51 | xand | I don't know, you're the one typing |
| 10:12.00 | xand | maybe you don't understand how to say it :) |
| 10:12.07 | roland | i do know what i want to say |
| 10:12.14 | jetscreamer | policycoreutils depends on sepolgen, but sepolgen does not appear to be available |
| 10:12.14 | xand | that's not what I said |
| 10:12.16 | jelly-home | roland: mta doesn't "store mail", for one thing |
| 10:12.18 | jetscreamer | zomg! |
| 10:12.25 | perlmonkey | is 2048 bit key secure enough? |
| 10:12.30 | roland | mta transfers mail trough smtp |
| 10:12.38 | sepski | perlmonkey, depends on what it's encrypting |
| 10:12.51 | roland | i know but i didnt formulate a good question |
| 10:12.54 | roland | let me re-think |
| 10:12.58 | perlmonkey | sepski: all my network traffic over wifi |
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| 10:13.20 | xand | roland: if you can use imap and smtp, then no, you don't need to use webmail; you can use a thick client instead |
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| 10:13.31 | roland | if i use a MUA client i dont need to use webmail to acces my mailbox on the remote or local server right ? |
| 10:13.46 | sepski | perlmonkey, eg for your shoppinglist, yes for your secret mail to your mistress you dont want your wife to know about, probably not :) |
| 10:13.58 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 10:14.10 | perlmonkey | can the US military crack 2048 bit? |
| 10:14.53 | roland | and webmail is suited for both imap and pop servers ? |
| 10:14.59 | xand | roland: no |
| 10:15.15 | sepski | roland, webmail is a webfrontend to a imap server usualy |
| 10:15.23 | xand | you don't want to use webmail with pop3 |
| 10:15.27 | roland | yeah, so you acces and store the mails on the server |
| 10:15.28 | sepski | webmail is never used on pop3 |
| 10:15.32 | roland | ok i understand |
| 10:15.37 | ma3x | jelly-home I dont have the Xauthority files and the X socket |
| 10:15.38 | jelly-home | roland: webmail applications generally prefer imap access to mail storage, but not all |
| 10:15.39 | xand | pop3 sucks |
| 10:15.50 | Gnea | perlmonkey: can the military lob a hand-grenade at your laptop? :) |
| 10:15.56 | roland | you have to download the mails for viewing on your machien right? |
| 10:15.58 | roland | from the server |
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| 10:16.02 | roland | and store them on macine |
| 10:16.11 | roland | *your machine |
| 10:16.18 | sepski | xand, pop3 dont suck. it's much better then imap for simply grabbing your mailbox and cleaning it out. |
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| 10:16.30 | sepski | but it dont work well for wbmail ofcourse :) |
| 10:16.39 | roland | in pop3 the mail after you grab it off the server doesnt remain there right? |
| 10:16.46 | perlmonkey | Gnea: :P |
| 10:16.53 | Gnea | roland: only if you tell it to |
| 10:16.58 | xand | sepski: I think using email that way is nasty |
| 10:17.03 | sepski | roland, usualy not. therere are hacks on some clients but those are ugglyy |
| 10:17.05 | xingu | perlmonkey: if your passphrase is your birthday, your anniversary, the name of your pet, or on a postit stuck to your screen - magic eight-ball says "definitely" |
| 10:17.07 | roland | but the point is that with pop3 you cant view the mails on the server |
| 10:17.10 | sepski | xand, depends on your needs |
| 10:17.19 | perlmonkey | I have a problem. I need to get my static.key securely across to my laptop over wifi. how can I do that? |
| 10:17.27 | xand | roland: that depends on the server |
| 10:17.29 | jelly-home | ma3x: I suggest bind mounting your $HOME (or at least copying $XAUTHORITY or $HOME/.Xauthority file) into the chroot, and also bind mounting /tmp there |
| 10:17.29 | sepski | but it dosn't "suck" it just dont meets your needs or expectations. |
| 10:17.34 | roland | grr |
| 10:17.43 | Gnea | perlmonkey: scp |
| 10:17.46 | xand | sepski: it does suck for me. |
| 10:17.48 | sepski | roland, with pop3 you transfer the mails to your local machine for viewing. |
| 10:17.53 | roland | right |
| 10:17.55 | roland | this is what i knew |
| 10:17.56 | roland | BUT |
| 10:18.00 | perlmonkey | xingu: I think it's random, vpn generated it |
| 10:18.04 | ma3x | jelly-home what should i type to bind them/ |
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| 10:18.09 | perlmonkey | Gnea: thanks |
| 10:18.15 | Gnea | imap for webmail is the way to go, that's just common knowledge. any debate or argument contrary is just plain stupid. |
| 10:18.30 | roland | i receive different answers here to same question |
| 10:18.34 | xand | s/ for webmail// ;) |
| 10:18.44 | perlmonkey | Gnea: i can copy that key onto a disc also eh |
| 10:18.47 | Gnea | xand: piss off. |
| 10:18.47 | xand | roland: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 10:18.58 | Gnea | perlmonkey: yeah, that'd work too |
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| 10:19.01 | roland | confirm some thoughts in my mind |
| 10:19.01 | tux | hi all |
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| 10:19.09 | sepski | roland, a mailclient with imap (thunderbird/evolution/kmail) conencts to imap server. webmail connects to imap server. local MUA's like mutt might conenct directly to the storage removing the need of imap and pop3 totaly |
| 10:19.10 | jelly-home | ma3x: something like mount --bind /home/user /path/to/chroot/home/user , and the same for /tmp instead of /home/user |
| 10:19.23 | tux | I would like to install java-plugin in my mozilla-firefox |
| 10:19.30 | tux | but I haven't find nothing |
| 10:19.37 | tux | with google |
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| 10:19.44 | sepski | a local mailclient like thunderbird/evolution/kmail/fetchmail, can also grab mails down to the local machine with pop3 |
| 10:19.48 | tux | who help me? |
| 10:19.50 | xingu | roland: depends on the pop server config; some of them support read-marks through a magic/ invisible message in the mailbox; in which case the client can be told to download without deleting from the server. |
| 10:19.51 | teclo | Hello, I have a problem with debmirror, or something |
| 10:20.07 | Gnea | tux: use apt-cache |
| 10:20.11 | xand | teclo: that's useful :P |
| 10:20.14 | teclo | [ 6%] Getting: dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz... dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz failed 404 Not Found |
| 10:20.14 | teclo | dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz failed md5sum check, removing |
| 10:20.22 | roland | heh |
| 10:20.25 | xand | tux: don't use double negatives |
| 10:20.28 | roland | ok i'll read about mail servers |
| 10:20.33 | jelly-home | ma3x: I guess your chroot setup script should have done that for you |
| 10:20.37 | sepski | roland, we have not talked about mailserver at all |
| 10:20.38 | roland | im gonna setup one right now |
| 10:20.42 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 10:20.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 10:20.43 | sepski | roland, this is mail access servers |
| 10:20.45 | roland | yeah we talked about protocols |
| 10:20.51 | roland | and muas |
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| 10:20.58 | tux | Gnea I have installed it and function |
| 10:21.09 | roland | sepski : hmm whats the difference between 'mail server' and 'mail acces server' ? |
| 10:21.13 | tux | but it not installed the mozilla-firefox plugins... |
| 10:21.15 | sepski | roland, mailserver like postfix/exim/sendmail is mta's eg. they send mail to server/users |
| 10:21.23 | roland | yes i know that |
| 10:21.23 | tenco | im trying to use spamassassin with mutt. i defined a hook for "|/usr/bin/sa-learn --spam" but can't pipe more than one message to it (tag-$hook doesn't work) |
| 10:21.25 | roland | thanks for confirming |
| 10:21.33 | tux | infact I have tried azureus and it functions very well |
| 10:21.35 | roland | thats the MTA software |
| 10:21.41 | xand | that's a silly definition |
| 10:21.47 | Gnea | tux: are you sure? did you restart firefox? what does about:plugins say in the address field? |
| 10:21.53 | sepski | and that have nothing at all to do with how you read your mail. |
| 10:21.56 | roland | sometimes , even if technically incorrect, people reffer to mail servers not to MTA exclusively, but to the machine serving as mail server |
| 10:22.13 | sepski | roland, yes. but it will be very confusing |
| 10:22.19 | Gnea | !abuse xand |
| 10:22.20 | dpkg | xand: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 10:22.24 | tux | Gnea yes |
| 10:22.28 | Mooi | Hello, when installing nvidia graphics drivers, kernel module's compilation error gives "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol `paravirt_opts`". What can be done to solve this problem? |
| 10:22.37 | tux | I am in an x86_64 box |
| 10:22.39 | Gnea | tux: hrm.. which plugin package did you install? |
| 10:22.41 | Gnea | oh |
| 10:22.43 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 10:22.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 10:22.44 | lostson | why would etch install a 486 kernel on my laptop when it is a 686 |
| 10:22.53 | jelly-home | tenco: that's kinda funny, I think <tag><pipe> works for me when I try to grep stuff from multiple mails |
| 10:22.55 | Mooi | I am on Debian sid with 2.6.20-1-686 kernel |
| 10:23.02 | Mooi | unstable ** |
| 10:23.06 | Gnea | tux: check that channel out, they should be able to help you out with that |
| 10:23.10 | xand | lostson: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:23.14 | Gnea | tux: ask them about 32bit compatibility mode |
| 10:23.17 | roland | sepski: so the correct term is : refer as mail acces server only to the MTA wich uses either PoP or IMAP... (or both ? ) |
| 10:23.36 | sepski | mta's dont use pop3 imap |
| 10:23.44 | Gnea | Mooi: what nvidia drivers did you install? and from where? |
| 10:23.48 | tux | Gnea I use mozilla-firefox in 64-bit pure mode |
| 10:23.56 | roland | who uses pop3/imap then |
| 10:23.57 | Mooi | Gnea: nvidia's site |
| 10:23.58 | tux | and nwrapper for the flash plugin... |
| 10:24.01 | lostson | xand is 486 the default ? |
| 10:24.04 | roland | mtas use only smtp? |
| 10:24.04 | sepski | mail access servers like po3 and imap servers |
| 10:24.06 | Gnea | !tell tux about amd64 |
| 10:24.10 | sepski | roland, yes |
| 10:24.14 | ma3x | jelly-home I've bind them and now it opens my iceweasel instead of the one in the chroot |
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| 10:24.18 | xand | lostson: you get an option during install... at least in expert mode |
| 10:24.26 | Gnea | roland: yes, that's why they're MTAs |
| 10:24.32 | sepski | and very often the mta server (smtp) is a different machine then the mail access server (pop3/imap) |
| 10:24.35 | lostson | xand: ahh i didint use expert mode |
| 10:24.40 | sepski | atlest on larger then tiny installations |
| 10:24.48 | xand | lostson: but it's easy to apt-get install the 686 one |
| 10:24.58 | roland | so what the mta actually does is just grab the message and send it to destination, using smtp, thats all nothing else, it doesnt do with accesing email right |
| 10:25.00 | sepski | but they all talk to the same mail storage ofcourse |
| 10:25.04 | lostson | xand: yeah already did thanks |
| 10:25.05 | jelly-home | ma3x: so close the other one first |
| 10:25.08 | sepski | roland, yes |
| 10:25.18 | tux | !amd64 java |
| 10:25.20 | sepski | and accept mail from outside. storing it in the mail storage, or relaying it |
| 10:25.26 | tux | !tell tux amd64 java |
| 10:25.36 | ma3x | jelly-home i didnt think of that |
| 10:25.40 | Gnea | tux: you need to /join #debian-amd64 |
| 10:25.44 | sepski | roland, the mta also accept mail from local users eg crontab. |
| 10:25.45 | tux | ah ok :D |
| 10:25.50 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:25.55 | roland | ok so what im confuse about is just what part of the mail server uses imap/pop3 |
| 10:25.56 | sepski | roland, and deliver to the user that's suposed to get those messages. |
| 10:25.58 | tux | sorry thx for the help |
| 10:25.58 | roland | MDA? |
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| 10:26.11 | Gnea | roland: yes. |
| 10:26.18 | jelly-home | !mda |
| 10:26.19 | dpkg | well, mda is mail delivery agent, such as procmail; or C10H13NO2, 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine, molecular (atomic) weight 179.2182 |
| 10:26.30 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 10:26.40 | Gnea | !mdma |
| 10:26.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, mdma is 3,4 methylendioxymethamphetamine, very cool |
| 10:26.48 | Gnea | ... |
| 10:26.49 | roland | the thing wich does processing of email, warns that you're in vacancy, filters spam, and places messages in your mailbox? |
| 10:26.53 | jelly-home | I mean, wtf do drugs have to do with Debian? |
| 10:27.04 | ma3x | jelly-home it works!!!! thanks a lot dude! |
| 10:27.15 | sepski | roland, warns about vacancy is a scripted hack usualy :) |
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| 10:27.27 | obsethryl | peterS: are you around? |
| 10:27.30 | sepski | roland, but otherways correct enoughf |
| 10:27.32 | Gnea | !mda |
| 10:27.32 | dpkg | well, mda is mail delivery agent, such as procmail, dovecot and cyrus |
| 10:28.11 | Gnea | jelly-home: nothing directly, but apparantly they help a lot of developers out :) |
| 10:28.12 | jelly-home | dpkg, no, mda is mail delivery agent, such as procmail, dovecot or cyrus. The thing that a <mta> uses to actually store the incoming mail into your mailbox. |
| 10:28.13 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 10:28.25 | xand | sepski: pfft, an exim filter will do vacation messages |
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| 10:29.00 | roland | ok .. so .. MTA uses SMTP to transfer email from machine to machine on the internet and to accept even local messages , MDA does email processing and places messages in user's mailbox, filters spam , scans for viruses etc. this one uses IMAP/POP3 , and MUAs acces the email for viewing online trough IMAP or downloading it to machine trough POP3 ? right? |
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| 10:29.08 | ma3x | xvideo doesnt support fglrx driver. why? |
| 10:29.21 | ma3x | now I can only play with x11 and I can't fullscreen |
| 10:29.24 | FuzzyB | anyone know of a howto that explains how to do gfs on debian? |
| 10:30.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | have somebody ever added the bootsplash thing to debian? I cant find the patch for my version of kernel, can I use an old one? |
| 10:30.28 | roland | sepski is correct enough my final thoughts? |
| 10:30.43 | sepski | roland, in addition you can run a mua on the machine and access the mails direcly in the storage without imap/pop3 |
| 10:30.55 | roland | without any protocol? |
| 10:31.04 | roland | just connect to remote machine? |
| 10:31.05 | sepski | roland, using the filesystem |
| 10:31.10 | roland | aha |
| 10:31.12 | roland | ok |
| 10:31.18 | sepski | if the mua is on the machine where the storage is |
| 10:31.21 | roland | but this method is not popular :) |
| 10:31.28 | sepski | it's the most used i imagined... |
| 10:31.37 | sepski | before internet became mainstream :) |
| 10:31.46 | roland | people use IMAP to view messages online and stored on the remote server, eg yahoo,gmail etc |
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| 10:31.50 | roland | thats the new method |
| 10:32.22 | roland | ok, now webmail is suited for imap rather than downloading the messages from pop3 mda ? |
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| 10:32.37 | sepski | and the MDA only delivers to the storage. it's separate imap/pop3 servers that do the talking to the client email program |
| 10:32.47 | roland | ah |
| 10:32.54 | roland | good correction otherwise i would have false thoughts |
| 10:32.59 | sepski | webmail requieres a imap server. and is computely and utterly useless on pop3 |
| 10:33.04 | jelly-home | roland: to make things more interesting, filtering (av, spam) can be done in MTA too |
| 10:33.27 | jelly-home | sepski: eh, there are webmails with pop3 storage too. |
| 10:33.28 | sepski | or in spesific deamons that the mta run the message thru before giving it to the mda |
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| 10:33.40 | teclo | Ah fuck, my debmirror fails, look: |
| 10:33.43 | teclo | debmirror -v --host=ftp.de.debian.org --root="/debian-security" --dist="etch/updates" --section="main,contrib,non-free" /home/mirror/debian-security |
| 10:33.48 | roland | so mail system can be sumerised as : MTA (smtp) MDA(imap/pop3 , does processing of email ) and sepparate IMAP/POP3 server , and MUA |
| 10:33.51 | roland | this is it? |
| 10:33.51 | sepski | jelly-home, i dont know of any. but i do know of webmails that grab pop3 (using fetchmail) and stores it in the imap |
| 10:34.11 | teclo | Get Release files. |
| 10:34.11 | teclo | [0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release... dists/etch/Release failed 404 Not Found |
| 10:34.11 | teclo | dists/etch/Release failed md5sum check, removing |
| 10:34.11 | teclo | [0%] Getting: dists/etch/Release.gpg... dists/etch/Release.gpg failed 404 Not Found |
| 10:34.11 | teclo | dists/etch/Release.gpg failed md5sum check, removing |
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| 10:34.13 | sepski | MDA does not use pop3 imap |
| 10:34.21 | FuzzyB | HA |
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| 10:34.25 | teclo | Sorry :) |
| 10:34.27 | FuzzyB | damm teclo |
| 10:34.28 | teclo | My butt hurts :) |
| 10:34.29 | FuzzyB | wtf |
| 10:34.33 | roland | MDA is the errand boy |
| 10:34.43 | teclo | FuzzyB: yeah sorry about that |
| 10:34.51 | teclo | But I'm kinda pissed debmirror fails... |
| 10:34.53 | sepski | mda gets a messages from example a mta. and saves it in your mail storage (maildir or mbox or database ) a file on harddrive usualy |
| 10:34.56 | teclo | and I *do* have the keys |
| 10:34.59 | roland | imap/pop3 are used by separate imap/pop3 mail daemon , separate from smtp daemon right? |
| 10:35.16 | FuzzyB | teclo try a different mirror? |
| 10:35.30 | teclo | FuzzyB: that's an idea :) |
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| 10:35.56 | Netwerker | when doing ls command with -s, how big is the block in kb? |
| 10:36.11 | mortal | am I the only one whose X.org slowed down on amd64 sid? |
| 10:36.20 | roland | but now i read that mail servers integrate MTA+MDA in one package usually |
| 10:36.35 | teclo | FuzzyB: same result with ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 10:36.46 | FuzzyB | hrm |
| 10:36.47 | sepski | roland, mail access servers read the files (maildir/mbox) and talk to the email software (thunderbird) using pop3 imap |
| 10:36.57 | sepski | roland, yes. |
| 10:37.03 | roland | oh .. i begin to understand |
| 10:37.09 | FuzzyB | bad net card? |
| 10:37.20 | roland | and those mail acces server wich is their short word? MAS ? |
| 10:37.42 | sepski | roland, altho comercial software packages often bundle several of these together and calles them things like "mailsite" and imail" |
| 10:38.09 | sepski | roland, pop3 server and imap server :) |
| 10:38.14 | teclo | 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801AA SMBus (rev 02) |
| 10:38.16 | sepski | they are often separate programs |
| 10:38.22 | sepski | or separate parts of a program |
| 10:39.02 | sepski | so you can have pop3 on one server and imap on another. and all calk talk to the mail storage |
| 10:39.11 | roland | MTA sends and receives email using smtp, MDA grabs the received email and can optionally do filtering of spam , but it places mail in your mailbox, and then the imap/pop3 server grabs the mail from mailbox and presents it to the MUA trough pop3 or imap ? |
| 10:39.19 | buu | Gah. Mplayer. |
| 10:39.26 | sepski | roland, yes. |
| 10:39.40 | roland | k |
| 10:39.47 | roland | so wich one is the storage |
| 10:39.58 | sepski | roland, /var/mail ? |
| 10:40.06 | sepski | dpends on where you configure it |
| 10:40.09 | roland | ok and if its a mysql database? |
| 10:40.16 | buu | Anyone recall how I make mplayer play a ripped dvd? |
| 10:40.26 | sepski | then that's on a mysql server ofcourse |
| 10:40.30 | roland | ok |
| 10:40.39 | sepski | but maildir is most used |
| 10:40.47 | roland | now i have some basic knowledge to start off |
| 10:40.50 | roland | ty ty |
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| 10:41.09 | tarzeau | buu: #mplayer ? |
| 10:41.12 | sepski | roland, if you intend to make a mailserver. please get a consultant |
| 10:41.16 | buu | tarzeau: Dead |
| 10:41.23 | roland | sepski : why ? there is tutorial |
| 10:41.36 | roland | im doing a home mail server for testing |
| 10:41.46 | sepski | roland, well in that case. knock your self out |
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| 10:41.53 | sepski | just done make it a open relay |
| 10:41.54 | sepski | :) |
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| 10:42.01 | roland | wtf is that |
| 10:42.03 | roland | lol |
| 10:42.04 | FuzzyB | Anyone played with GFS and debian ? |
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| 10:42.58 | sepski | roland, in the early days of the internet, there was no spam. and all the mta's was configured so everyone could use them. to send mail to everyone else. there was bliss and happiness. then first came the users , then the parasites that feed on the users. |
| 10:43.24 | sepski | those were the spammers. they abused mailservers and sent mail to all the users. giving them larges penises. |
| 10:43.35 | roland | lol |
| 10:43.40 | sepski | so the mailserver had to be closed down to the users that needed that server. |
| 10:43.52 | sepski | usuasly the internal ip range that your machines is on |
| 10:44.09 | roland | so only local users can use the server to send mail .. like.. lan users? |
| 10:44.11 | roland | or wan users |
| 10:44.16 | sepski | a open realy is a misconfigured mta, that can send mail for everyone to anyone |
| 10:44.22 | roland | aha |
| 10:44.27 | sepski | lan users that have a internal ip |
| 10:44.32 | roland | ok |
| 10:44.35 | roland | i get it |
| 10:44.37 | sepski | wan users if tehy authenticate with username or password |
| 10:44.49 | roland | but how is yahoo configured in this point of view / |
| 10:44.55 | sepski | and there is soooo many home mta's that's done for "testing" "playing" that are open relays |
| 10:45.07 | sepski | you type your username and password. when you login |
| 10:45.13 | sepski | you are authenticated |
| 10:45.19 | roland | well thats what i intend to configure as well |
| 10:45.22 | sepski | if you abuse it your account is terminated |
| 10:45.24 | roland | with authentication |
| 10:45.27 | roland | but then i need mysql right? |
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| 10:45.48 | dob1 | hi, can someone suggest me a 64bit live cd with chroot included ? |
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| 10:45.57 | FuzzyB | dob1 gentoo |
| 10:45.57 | sepski | roland, not neccecary |
| 10:46.00 | sepski | but often used |
| 10:46.05 | dob1 | FuzzyB: thanks |
| 10:46.14 | jetscreamer | !info xfe |
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| 10:46.27 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.88-3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 883 kB, Installed size: 2828 kB |
| 10:46.44 | sepski | a webmail package like squirrelmail usualy log you in if your username /password match the imap server |
| 10:47.02 | roland | sepski: so the alternative to storing user accounts for authentication is configuring this into the imap/pop server right? |
| 10:47.06 | roland | if no mysql is used |
| 10:47.06 | sepski | and your imap server can authenticate based on many solutions like pam or sql or ldap |
| 10:47.13 | roland | aha |
| 10:47.16 | roland | hmm |
| 10:47.23 | roland | and then thats another topic |
| 10:47.26 | sepski | if you use pam you can use local unix users or sql or ldap again there too |
| 10:47.31 | roland | ah |
| 10:47.36 | roland | pam will be good for me then |
| 10:47.55 | sepski | roland, if you want the mail user to be = to the unix user yes |
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| 10:48.02 | roland | yes thats what i want |
| 10:48.13 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 10:48.20 | HardDisk_WP | i got two debian lenny machines. |
| 10:48.24 | roland | and only the local mail users that login to the mailserver machine can send /receive mail |
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| 10:48.38 | HardDisk_WP | any way to access the directory structure of the one machine on the other machine? |
| 10:48.39 | roland | the users that have accounts on the mail servers unix |
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| 10:48.48 | jetscreamer | apparently you're using both enter keys also |
| 10:48.53 | jetscreamer | ssh? |
| 10:49.06 | jetscreamer | sshfs? |
| 10:49.07 | sepski | roland, you can configure your mta to send mail becouse "user authenticated" "user have known good ip address" or "user is on the local machine" |
| 10:49.07 | HardDisk_WP | you mean fish? |
| 10:49.18 | roland | ah i understand |
| 10:49.22 | sepski | squirrelmail runs on the webserver on the local machine so that's often how that sends mail |
| 10:49.32 | jetscreamer | nfs? |
| 10:49.34 | sepski | or the webserver is on a known ip that you have accepted in your mta config |
| 10:51.25 | jetscreamer | sshfs or nfs is what i guess you're asking for |
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| 10:51.39 | jetscreamer | tabbuddy! |
| 10:51.43 | jethro | hey jetscreamer |
| 10:51.47 | tarzeau | telnet 80.219.76.102 27015 |
| 10:52.28 | jethro | should I worry that my trying to go sarge-etch on a box running postfix will remove postfix and install exim4 ? |
| 10:53.57 | liable | yep |
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| 10:55.19 | jethro | the funny thing is that aptitude dist-upgrade will remove postfix to install exim4, while apt-get dist-upgrade won't. |
| 10:55.29 | jethro | abrotman: there you are, help me !!111 |
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| 10:55.58 | jethro | heh |
| 10:56.05 | jetscreamer | how can you not remember my tabbuddy abrotman |
| 10:56.06 | liable | purge aptitiude and reinstall |
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| 10:56.54 | abrotman | jethro: what'd you break? |
| 10:57.00 | jethro | nothing yet |
| 10:57.19 | jethro | I'm just curious when I see aptitude dist-upgrade wants to remove postfix, and install exim4 instead :) |
| 10:57.53 | abrotman | because something depends on it ? |
| 10:57.56 | Mooi | when I want to start X, I get "Failed to load module glx (module does not exist, 0)" and same for nvidia module. When I checked, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so exists. What might be the problem? (I also get two lines saying "Module already built-in"). |
| 10:58.15 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 10:58.40 | abrotman | jethro: maybe try an rdepends and compare it to your 'ii' list |
| 10:58.42 | jetscreamer | lol@dejavu |
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| 10:58.58 | abrotman | i just got here |
| 10:59.06 | abrotman | shouldn't you be outside tubby ? |
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| 10:59.27 | jetscreamer | it's not dawn yet |
| 10:59.34 | Lcarsdata | By default does Debian come with Apache, MySQL and PHP? |
| 10:59.38 | jetscreamer | nno |
| 10:59.40 | Lcarsdata | If so how do I active them |
| 10:59.52 | Lcarsdata | I just want to use localhost |
| 10:59.53 | jethro | abrotman: upgrading aptitude first, then dist-upgrade'ing apparently works |
| 10:59.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm well aware what time it is .. sadly |
| 10:59.55 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search something apt-get install it |
| 11:00.03 | abrotman | jethro: ah .. ok |
| 11:00.20 | roland | sepski, i copied all you told me into a file , i'll learn |
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| 11:00.26 | jetscreamer | !lamp |
| 11:00.26 | dpkg | i heard lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ |
| 11:00.40 | jetscreamer | wrong factoid |
| 11:00.43 | abrotman | useless :) |
| 11:00.44 | Zancat | hmm, what would you guys consider to be the bare minimum amount of RAM debain should run on? |
| 11:00.51 | abrotman | 24MB |
| 11:00.59 | jetscreamer | 2gb |
| 11:01.00 | abrotman | maybe 16MB |
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| 11:01.07 | jetscreamer | but that's just me |
| 11:01.11 | carlos | Hi |
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| 11:01.16 | roland | sepski, so the fastest, and reasonably secure way (and easy) to setup mail server is choosing wich of the above methods ? |
| 11:01.29 | Zancat | wow, thats low |
| 11:01.32 | roland | i only want local unix users to be able to send / receive mail |
| 11:01.36 | roland | so i guess i wil be with pam |
| 11:01.41 | roland | i will configure imap server to accept pam |
| 11:01.45 | carlos | Any one is using mythtv from debian-multimedia.org in debian etch? |
| 11:01.55 | roland | and i want to have the smtp and imap server on the same machine |
| 11:02.09 | jetscreamer | !tell carlos -about ask |
| 11:02.10 | carlos | I'm getting segmentation fault with the backend and mythtv-setup |
| 11:02.14 | abrotman | Zancat: but it'll be slow :) |
| 11:02.23 | Zancat | yep |
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| 11:02.58 | tarzeau | OMG i found it: You feel a strange vibration under your feet. |
| 11:02.58 | jelly-home | I have a BIG problem. There's a kitty chasing my cursor. |
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| 11:03.17 | jetscreamer | nuke the cat |
| 11:03.37 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: hmm, I have no microwave. |
| 11:03.54 | jelly-home | I wonder if xblast would do the trick |
| 11:03.55 | jetscreamer | i was thinking low yeild nuclear device |
| 11:04.03 | jetscreamer | yield? |
| 11:04.12 | jetscreamer | yield |
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| 11:05.13 | Lcarsdata | I just installed apache and mysql - what do I do now |
| 11:05.38 | liable | hire an admin :P |
| 11:06.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:06.35 | jetscreamer | that is the nvidia culprit ithink |
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| 11:08.16 | jetscreamer | zomg wtf!! now i have that error! heh |
| 11:08.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I have patched my kernel, then I did #make menuconfig and I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/452556 , any clue? |
| 11:08.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I patched it because I'm configuring the bootsplash feature |
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| 11:14.20 | enouf | erm .. someone i was talking to abbout .deb maintaining said this "I hate managing packages. Getting them through REVU is a pain." .. now, is that a Debian thing? or is it Ubuntu specific? .. I never heard of REVU, but i'm not up on the MG either ;-) |
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| 11:14.56 | enouf | oh . and they split before I could ask .. |
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| 11:15.02 | jelly-home | !revu |
| 11:15.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:15.31 | enouf | guess not debian .. |
| 11:15.41 | Nemoder | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU |
| 11:15.53 | enouf | ahh .. and ouch .. thanks |
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| 11:16.35 | Nemoder | enouf: it sounds like whoever you were talking to didn't know how to use synaptic |
| 11:16.44 | abrotman | enouf: sounds like mentors.debian.net |
| 11:16.51 | abrotman | Nemoder: ? |
| 11:16.55 | enouf | Nemoder: heh |
| 11:17.15 | perlmonkey | strange error from vpn: /etc/default/openvpn: line 3: dev: command not found |
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| 11:17.46 | Nemoder | sounded like they were downloading all their packages through a web interface |
| 11:17.53 | enouf | abrotman: i see .. here's a bit more of very small convo --> " follow all the myriads of package guidelines, then beg on various IRC channels and have no views for REVU for months." |
| 11:18.05 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hey guys, I'm trying to configure the bootsplash feature, and one of the steps is to patch the kernel, I look to the *.diff file and it does: diff -urN linux-2.6.18/drivers/char/keyboard.c linux-2.6.18-bs/drivers/char/keyboard.c, but i dont have any linux-2.6.18-bs directory to compare with, what does it exactly do or want to do? |
| 11:18.35 | Nemoder | ohh for maintaining, sorry missed that |
| 11:18.36 | perlmonkey | is /etc/modules.conf no longer used? |
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| 11:19.12 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. he could just apply to be DD :) |
| 11:19.16 | abrotman | be a DD |
| 11:19.26 | enouf | abrotman: AFAIK, mentors happens for a while, then there's a review test process, then possibly that mentor can move up to NMU .. yes? |
| 11:19.34 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: tried asking #kernel? are those vanilla sources ? |
| 11:19.43 | perlmonkey | Etch (2.6.18 kernel) /etc/modules.conf not found... no longer used? |
| 11:19.47 | abrotman | enouf: ah .. no .. |
| 11:19.50 | abrotman | not AFAIK |
| 11:20.16 | enouf | abrotman: ok .. no matter for now .. but that REVU has no place in Debian.. right? |
| 11:20.30 | abrotman | i just said .. sounds like mentors.debian.net to me :) |
| 11:20.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, nop I think is the regular one |
| 11:20.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: might want to ask them |
| 11:20.44 | enouf | bah .. nm .. i'll RTFM ;-) |
| 11:20.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Also when I execute the patching I receive this question http://pastebin.ca/452567 |
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| 11:21.06 | perlmonkey | etc/default/openvpn: line 3: dev: command not found |
| 11:21.07 | ma3x_ | W: Failure while configuring base packages. |
| 11:21.13 | ma3x_ | W: Failure while configuring base packages. |
| 11:21.17 | ma3x_ | ooops sorry |
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| 11:21.33 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: which kernel version are you patching ? |
| 11:21.43 | enouf | ma3x_: you wanr fish this morning right? ,.. we can tell |
| 11:21.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, 2.6.18 |
| 11:22.47 | ma3x_ | I typed debootstrap sid /sid-root http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 11:22.50 | ma3x_ | and i got those warnings |
| 11:22.51 | ma3x_ | what's up? |
| 11:22.58 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using sid |
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| 11:23.07 | ma3x_ | that's just debootstrap |
| 11:23.14 | runa | hi i can not compile ssh-source |
| 11:23.14 | xand | banned |
| 11:23.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, me? I'm using lenny |
| 11:23.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: no .. ma3x_ shouldn't be using sid |
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| 11:23.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, ooh |
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| 11:24.02 | ma3x_ | abrotman, I need it for debootstrap |
| 11:24.09 | ma3x_ | for flash,mozilla that kind of stuff |
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| 11:24.15 | ma3x_ | now why is it showing those errors |
| 11:24.21 | abrotman | yeah .. there's no flash/mozilla in etch ... |
| 11:24.26 | enouf | heh |
| 11:24.29 | enouf | !need |
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| 11:24.30 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 11:24.37 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: why are you patching if there's a package for bootsplash ? |
| 11:24.45 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: ah . nevermind .. i see it |
| 11:25.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, excuse me? |
| 11:25.12 | ma3x_ | abrotman, if I debootstrap etch instead of sid, won't I get those errors? |
| 11:25.15 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: i see why .. i found it |
| 11:25.20 | ma3x_ | is it because I 've put sid there? |
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| 11:25.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, whay is it? |
| 11:25.27 | Angel-SL | !regex |
| 11:25.27 | dpkg | somebody said regex was tutorial at http://weblogtoolscollection.com/regex/regex.php |
| 11:25.28 | enouf | !tias |
| 11:25.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | why* |
| 11:25.28 | dpkg | hmm... tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 11:25.42 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: no .. i mean you have to patch it .. there is a package .. but only for userland |
| 11:25.50 | runa | can sb help me with ssh-source i cant compile the module |
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| 11:26.14 | runa | it gives me error :"make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build: No such file or directory. " |
| 11:26.32 | roland_ | the MTA (eg sendmail) sends/receives mail, and MDA (eg procmail) gets the mail from mta and places it in user's mailbox or the system maildir and then the imap or pop3 server presents the mail trouh imap or pop3 to the mua right? |
| 11:26.47 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: does that Kconfig file actually exist ? |
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| 11:27.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, yep |
| 11:27.40 | Nemoder | runa: the build directory should be a link to the folder with the linux kernel source |
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| 11:28.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, I had this error after the patch thing, because make menuconfig worked before doing the patch |
| 11:28.30 | jetscreamer | i fixed it, but now my fonts are weird |
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| 11:29.04 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: it looks like the patch didn't work correctly at all ... |
| 11:29.14 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: is that patch for debian sources or kernel.org sources ? |
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| 11:29.44 | jetscreamer | gd this is fugly now |
| 11:30.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, I really dont know but I got it because some people used it with debian without problems ie. http://www.gargi.org/?p=121 |
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| 11:31.37 | abrotman | more of a ... "where'd you get the patch from?" ? |
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| 11:31.49 | Betzefer | does any one knows whats daemon mode in snort ? |
| 11:32.00 | Betzefer | what it means ? |
| 11:32.21 | liable | run as a daemon instead of from inetd? |
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| 11:32.35 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: did you use the linux-patch-bootsplash or from somewhere else |
| 11:32.48 | Betzefer | again ? |
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| 11:33.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, this is the content of the patch, see the line 1 http://pastebin.ca/452580 , isnt it weird comparing linux-2.6.18/drivers/char/keyboard.c with linux-2.6.18-bs/drivers/char/keyboard.c, when linux-2.6.18-bs doenst exist? |
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| 11:34.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, int the linux-patch-bootsplash there is no patch for kernel 2.6.18 so I got this one: wget ftp://ftp.bootsplash.org/pub/bootsplash/kernel/bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.18.diff |
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| 11:34.56 | beardy | Why don't you want to see what happens when you boot? |
| 11:35.04 | abrotman | there isn't a patch for 2.6.18 ? |
| 11:35.12 | abrotman | it's a debian package for a debian packed kernel |
| 11:35.33 | pingouin | why i am on #debian-overflow ? |
| 11:35.47 | jetscreamer | because you're not worthy |
| 11:35.59 | pingouin | sad to ear that.... |
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| 11:36.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, download the package and see the content of the /usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/bootsplash directory |
| 11:36.27 | pingouin | i thought debian as a social projet/contrat not to classify peoples as polititian do ;) |
| 11:36.43 | jetscreamer | we don't, we went by iq |
| 11:36.53 | pingouin | i go back to windows ! |
| 11:36.55 | jetscreamer | i'm not worthy either |
| 11:37.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | beardy, well I want it... there is an option to choose detailed boot or just watch the picture and loading bars |
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| 11:37.46 | beardy | gonzaloaf_laptop: Ok, I see. |
| 11:37.53 | pingouin | damn...still on this 'unworthy chan' |
| 11:38.02 | beardy | Who, me? |
| 11:38.10 | pingouin | by the way, hello jetscreamer |
| 11:38.12 | pingouin | hello abrotman |
| 11:38.20 | rpc | howdy folks |
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| 11:38.43 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_laptop: maybe esc |
| 11:38.53 | pingouin | hello all 'unworthy people' ;) |
| 11:39.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | jetscreamer, maybe what? |
| 11:39.21 | abrotman | hi |
| 11:39.22 | rpc | can someone please tell me if this is hardware or software issue on Intel EtherExpress PRO 100? kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out <--it auto-recovers in ~1s but still i have no clue why it happens, anyone noticed similar thing? |
| 11:39.25 | beardy | That does it.. calling me unworthy? Fuck.. |
| 11:39.28 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: you're supposed to use the linux-patch-bootsplash with the debian kernel sources AFAIK |
| 11:39.35 | pingouin | beardy: :) |
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| 11:39.52 | jetscreamer | maybe the esc key |
| 11:39.54 | jetscreamer | esc |
| 11:39.56 | beardy | You must be new? |
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| 11:40.29 | jetscreamer | beardy didn't follow the conversation |
| 11:40.44 | pingouin | he's not worthy also ;) |
| 11:40.54 | beardy | He probably didn't no. |
| 11:41.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, but it just brings patches until bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.15-jtm.diff, and I'm using kernel 2.6.18 |
| 11:41.06 | beardy | Is it worth following? |
| 11:41.08 | rpc | The performance is really bad in polling mode, but it is enough to |
| 11:41.08 | rpc | log error messages so that you can swear more effectively. |
| 11:41.11 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 11:41.11 | rpc | rofl :) |
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| 11:41.17 | pingouin | ah ah |
| 11:41.22 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: did you compile 2.6.18 yourself ? |
| 11:41.27 | beardy | Hello pingouin nevertheless. |
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| 11:41.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, nop it is a stock kernel |
| 11:41.38 | pingouin | hep, hello beardy |
| 11:41.50 | debian- | hi all |
| 11:41.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, I want to compile it now but with the bootsplash feature |
| 11:42.19 | Betzefer | when is the new debian coming out ? |
| 11:42.30 | pingouin | Betzefer: ah ah ;) |
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| 11:44.15 | rpc | is it a good idea to use intel's driver instead of vanilla debian one? |
| 11:44.19 | Nemoder | Betzefer: probably not for at least 6 months and then not till it's ready |
| 11:44.32 | MetalWolf | hi. I have just installed Debian 4 onto my machine on raid drives (software raid). Is it normal everytime it boots up for / to resync? |
| 11:44.41 | beardy | 6 months! Hahahaha |
| 11:45.00 | Ronin | man i hope they never do a 6 month cycle |
| 11:45.20 | Nemoder | there was talk of a 'desktop release' every 6 months |
| 11:45.27 | Nemoder | I don't take it very seriously :) |
| 11:45.44 | Betzefer | ive downloaded the whole 3 dvds and on the installation he asked me only for the first cd |
| 11:45.51 | Betzefer | and even when i download updates |
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| 11:46.02 | Betzefer | so what th f*** i do with them ? |
| 11:46.03 | MetalWolf | thats one of the reasons I stopped using ubuntu I got fed up just getting the system how i liked it and them release a new version |
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| 11:46.27 | pingouin | Betzefer: you should have taken a netinstall one maybe |
| 11:46.27 | jetscreamer | Betzefer: you use apt-cd to add them to sources |
| 11:46.40 | petemc | MetalWolf: thats a bit silly considering they have long term versions of ubuntu |
| 11:46.58 | debian- | I have a big problem with my Shell I wanted to install "screen" and now I have an error => ls: error while loading shared libraries: libacl.so.1: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Permission denied |
| 11:46.59 | MetalWolf | no i know but i have the urge to want to be using the latest stuff. |
| 11:46.59 | jetscreamer | Betzefer: you can't just add them by hand, you have to use apt-cd or such |
| 11:47.02 | nyty | configure: WARNING: No OpenGL development headers were found |
| 11:47.09 | nyty | please where is opengl development headers ? |
| 11:47.15 | Betzefer | bash: apt-cd: command not found |
| 11:47.26 | jetscreamer | !info apt-cd |
| 11:47.38 | Betzefer | !info apt-cd |
| 11:47.41 | jetscreamer | !info apt-cdrom |
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| 11:48.02 | jetscreamer | it's somehting like that, one sec |
| 11:48.07 | Nemoder | nyty: maybe mesa-common-dev |
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| 11:48.41 | bartw | great, the installer just trashed my machine |
| 11:48.43 | jelly-home | MetalWolf: suppress the urge! You're not an animal! |
| 11:48.49 | MetalWolf | lol jelly-home |
| 11:48.50 | abrotman | apt-cdrom is part of the apt package |
| 11:48.58 | debian- | somebody for my problem ? |
| 11:49.02 | abrotman | !find apt-cdrom etch |
| 11:49.09 | Dave_is_sexy | no boot experts around are there? (continuing last weeks shinanagons having exhausted every available option) |
| 11:49.11 | MetalWolf | jelly-home: its not an issue this time because I bought a new hard drive so I'll upgrade that now. |
| 11:49.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-cdrom' (4): (/usr/bin/apt-cdrom) in admin/apt ;; (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-cdrom.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/lib/update-notifier/apt-cdrom-check) in gnome/update-notifier ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-cdrom.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 11:49.28 | beardy | debian-: What version of Debian? |
| 11:49.42 | debian- | 3.1 |
| 11:49.46 | jetscreamer | ah his path |
| 11:49.52 | bartw | is it a known issue that testing won't boot, at all ? |
| 11:49.53 | debian- | debian sarge |
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| 11:50.30 | MetalWolf | quite glad debian 4 came out when it did. Debian 3.1 didn't support my new motherboard's SATA controller |
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| 11:51.15 | beardy | debian-: The new stable, Debian Etch has been released now, for your information I mean. That problem you are having sounds very.. strange. What do you have in your /etc/apt/soirces.list, do you have sarge, or stable there? |
| 11:51.33 | beardy | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:51.47 | MetalWolf | bbl |
| 11:51.53 | debian- | deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free |
| 11:51.53 | debian- | deb-src ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free |
| 11:51.53 | debian- | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main non-free |
| 11:51.54 | debian- | deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main non-free |
| 11:51.54 | debian- | deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
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| 11:52.12 | perlmonkey | if I am using IP address 10.8.0.1 is my broadcast address 10.8.0.255? |
| 11:52.40 | beardy | debian-: I guess I should have told you to use a pastebin, if you were going to paste. |
| 11:52.41 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: it depends on your netmask. |
| 11:52.43 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 11:52.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 11:52.44 | rpc | is it a good idea to replace e100: Intel(R) PRO/100 Network Driver, 3.5.10-k2-NAPI with 3.5.17 compiled from source taken from intel's website? |
| 11:52.45 | beardy | debian-: Ok. |
| 11:52.48 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:53.03 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: iff the netmask is 255.255.255.0, then yes |
| 11:53.05 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: but this is for OpenVPN virtual device |
| 11:53.11 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:53.15 | torrr | in netstat' "Active UNIX domain sockets (w/o servers)" How do I find out what these sockets are connected to? |
| 11:53.27 | beardy | debian-: If you have done an 'aptitude update' now, you would probably have confused your package system, if you ahven't done an upgrade.. |
| 11:53.55 | beardy | !tell debian- about sarge->etch |
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| 11:54.05 | beardy | debian-: There you have that information, anyway. |
| 11:54.17 | bartw | anyone know why installing grub causes my machine to find no os on boot ? |
| 11:54.35 | Betzefer | how do u run windows apps on linux |
| 11:54.36 | beardy | bartw: Because you haven't actually isntalled grub in your MBR? |
| 11:54.36 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.44 | beardy | !wine |
| 11:54.44 | dpkg | i guess wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Very buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 11:55.04 | beardy | Betzefer: Also consider a virtual machine. |
| 11:55.09 | jelly-home | torrr: add -p to invocation |
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| 11:55.15 | Betzefer | ya i tried installing vmware |
| 11:55.43 | Betzefer | !wine |
| 11:55.43 | dpkg | from memory, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. Very buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 11:55.56 | [gloom] | does anyone know if it's possible to use xinerama (or some other app) to extend the desktop with two screens over LAN? |
| 11:56.16 | rpc | is it possible to convert from 2x300GB non-raid to software-raid without wiping any data? |
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| 11:56.19 | debian- | beardy always the same problem |
| 11:56.26 | bartw | beardy: the netints said it did |
| 11:56.45 | beardy | Betzefer: '/msg dpkg factoid' if you want to read it again |
| 11:56.53 | Betzefer | nhaaa |
| 11:56.56 | jelly-home | rpc: if all of your data fits on a single disk, yes |
| 11:57.06 | rpc | jelly-home hm that would be doable |
| 11:57.12 | Betzefer | i tried installing wmare the fucking install breaks all the time |
| 11:57.18 | torrr | jelly-home, that gives me only one side of the connection, one which I already know, I want to know what is on the other side |
| 11:57.28 | jelly-home | torrr: lsof |
| 11:57.31 | beardy | Betzefer: vmware is not in Debian, and not your only option |
| 11:57.36 | rpc | jelly-home so assuming that sdb is empty.. will it work and won't it fux0r up my data on sda? even if that's a system disk? |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: are you married to peanut-butter-home ? |
| 11:57.46 | bartw | k lets see if lilo is able to do where grub failed |
| 11:58.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: she said no :-( |
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| 11:58.17 | Betzefer | what are my options for a gui virtualization ? |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
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| 11:59.05 | jelly-home | rpc: as for "will it work", usually it does. YMMV. No warranty at all. :-) |
| 11:59.34 | _GTS_ | does anyone know, how can I setup wireless settings on debian 4.0? |
| 11:59.39 | Betzefer | what are my options for a gui virtualization tool beside vmware ? |
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| 12:00.34 | [gloom] | _GTS_: apt-get install wireless-tools, man iwconfig and for a frontend at least in KDE kwlan for WPA, and for normal settings kwifimanager |
| 12:00.35 | rpc | jelly-home but is it really possible to go from non-raid to raid without formatting everything and installing system from scratch? |
| 12:00.48 | Betzefer | <beardy> : |
| 12:00.52 | Betzefer | what are my options for a gui virtualization tool beside vmware ? |
| 12:01.08 | jelly-home | rpc: there probably are howtos on the net, but it boils down to: change partition types (in the part.table) to fd ("raid autodetect"), copy the partition table to the new disk, and set up md style raid1s for each partition |
| 12:01.15 | jelly-home | rpc: YES. |
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| 12:01.28 | rpc | jelly-home hm. |
| 12:01.30 | jelly-home | rpc: to softraid, that is. ;-) |
| 12:01.41 | beardy | Betzefer: virtualbox, for one |
| 12:01.45 | rpc | well yes, i just want a softraid.. hopefully it's a reliable solution |
| 12:01.56 | Betzefer | its free |
| 12:01.56 | war | rpc, yeah I have done it |
| 12:01.56 | Betzefer | ? |
| 12:02.02 | rpc | war oh |
| 12:02.04 | war | you make the raid (software) , move your root filesystem to it |
| 12:02.09 | war | and then boot off the degraded array |
| 12:02.16 | jelly-home | rpc: IMO it's very reliable, been using it for maybe 5 years |
| 12:02.17 | war | then sync it to the other drive |
| 12:02.20 | war | a PIA but it works |
| 12:02.24 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: I did that, but debian did not recognize interface |
| 12:02.35 | rpc | war hm |
| 12:02.47 | rpc | jelly-home sounds like it's worth my pain then :) |
| 12:02.50 | torrr | jelly-home, I did lsof, found the socket I am interested in, but that too didn't have the other end of the socket... ...? |
| 12:03.11 | rpc | war do you know a good guide on this? so i can read a few times before i go and screw something? :) |
| 12:03.16 | [gloom] | _GTS_: are you sure you got the proper driver set up in the kernel? Wich card is it? |
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| 12:03.21 | jelly-home | torrr: if you found only one instance, I guess that's it then |
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| 12:04.09 | rpc | war my exact situation 2x SATA drives.. they are full but i can empty one of them... the sda got etch on it and all the stuff that i need... do i first convert sdb to raid partition and move everything from sda to sdb and boot off it? is this how it works? |
| 12:04.16 | perlmonkey | anyone use Shorewall + OpenVPN? I'm having trouble configuring my zone for vpn, getting error: Determining Zones... ERROR: Invalid Zone Type: vpn |
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| 12:04.26 | perlmonkey | my entry looks like this: vpn vpn Remote Subnet |
| 12:04.30 | beardy | Betzefer: Yes. |
| 12:04.34 | torrr | jelly-home, really? can't two sockets with different inode numbers communicate between themselves? |
| 12:04.50 | jelly-home | torrr: how would they? |
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| 12:04.51 | Betzefer | full automated debian install ? |
| 12:05.23 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: I installed driver, and I can see at lspci, however iwconfig returns no wireless extension :( |
| 12:05.37 | torrr | jelly-home, I don't know, I am thinking like probably two sockets on different PCs don't have the same socket number, and they communicate |
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| 12:06.05 | beardy | Betzefer: Doubt that. And not Free, only absolute sure about free as in free beer. |
| 12:06.22 | war | rpc read the howtos and figure it out is the best advice I can give |
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| 12:06.36 | war | rpc, I set it up once for some guy here with 2 raptor 36gbs |
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| 12:06.46 | war | rpc, but talking someone through it? I don't have the time unfortunaetly |
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| 12:07.06 | jelly-home | torrr: I don't know much, but IMO sockets don't communicate. Processes do. :-) |
| 12:07.14 | torrr | jelly-home, and for example this socket appears as CONNECTED, if its only that how is it connected? (unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 105079 22044/sshd: nx@nott) |
| 12:07.24 | beardy | Betzefer: Well, it is under GPL, so. |
| 12:07.30 | abrotman | asg: LOOK AT ME! |
| 12:07.44 | mrex | hello. partition problems: parted finds my 4 partitions, but the bios, fdisk and friends don't. how do i get the partitions to be written correctly? |
| 12:07.47 | asg | abrotman: you've lost weight |
| 12:07.48 | [gloom] | _GTS_: I think lspci shows the hardware list without the need of the drivers, so it's not a clue. Wich driver are you using? Depending on the driver you are using, your wifi device will have one name or other. For example, for themadwifi driver the device is called ath0. So, to get up the interface you need to do "ifconfig ath0 up". |
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| 12:07.58 | beardy | Betzefer: And yes, packaged (unofficial) for both sarge and etch apparently. |
| 12:08.08 | beardy | Betzefer: http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 12:08.09 | abrotman | asg: it was beer weight :) |
| 12:08.11 | asg | heh |
| 12:08.28 | [gloom] | _GTS_: Look for the name the device should hace, and do ifconfig "device_name" up |
| 12:08.49 | beardy | Betzefer: But, use at your own risk, and don't complain here if it gives problems. |
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| 12:09.09 | beardy | Betzefer: I have only tried the win32 version, but I like it. |
| 12:09.43 | rpc | war but can you at least assure me that it is really possible to convert non-raid into raid without installing system from scratch? |
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| 12:10.01 | rpc | i really can't believe it will work and i'm worried to end-up with non-booting box and corrupted data |
| 12:10.06 | jelly-home | torrr: I don't think that means the same thing as for tcp sockets. All unix stream sockets are "CONNECTED" here. |
| 12:10.15 | mrex | ah no, was looking at the wrong drive. parted finds recursive partition table - how do i fix that? |
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| 12:10.58 | _GTS_ | [gllom]: My devices is at eth0, and the iwconfig eth0 up returns "Error : unrecognised wireless request "up"" |
| 12:11.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I download packages from the experimental repository? |
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| 12:11.36 | [gloom] | _GTS_: ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 12:12.20 | [gloom] | _GTS_: but are you sure the eth0 device is not the main ethernet card? |
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| 12:12.43 | teclo- | Hello, just installed Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 on some machine, but the size of the console (matroxfb) is way too big for my screen (9 inch). How do I fix this ? |
| 12:13.22 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: yes, eth1 is main ethernet card, I am conencting at eth1 right now, But wireless iinterfaces is at eth0 |
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| 12:14.06 | [gloom] | _GTS_: ok, and ifconfig does not wake up the eth0 device? Wich error shows? |
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| 12:14.53 | _GTS_ | [gllom]: no error, |
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| 12:16.58 | [gloom] | _GTS_: ifconfig eth0 up; ifconfig -all doesn't list your eth0 device? |
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| 12:18.40 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: ifconfig returns list of interfaces including eth0 ,eth1 and lo |
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| 12:22.31 | [gloom] | _GTS_: ok, so the device is up. now iwconfig eth0 continues returning you no wireless extensions? |
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| 12:23.19 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: I do that ( http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_A6V(A) ) but when I run rmmod ipw2200 ieee1394 sbp2 ohci1394 , it returns ERROR: Module ieee1394 is in use by sbp2,eth1394,ohci1394 |
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| 12:24.09 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: actually, iwconfig returns list of interfaces without eth0 |
| 12:24.18 | jelly-home | _GTS_: need to rmmod them one by one |
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| 12:25.38 | _GTS_ | jelly-home: it returns ERROR: Module ohci1394 does not exist in /proc/modules so what can I do? |
| 12:25.54 | jelly-home | _GTS_: so it's not loaded any more |
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| 12:26.19 | [gloom] | _GTS_: check the loaded modules with lsmod |
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| 12:27.19 | moshii | I have a laptop with no lcd and non-working keyboard... I want to turn it into a headless machine, any ideas on how to install it :P |
| 12:28.07 | bartw | vista/debian multiboot seen near impossible :( |
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| 12:29.19 | rohan | the !mplayer factoid needs to be updated -- since mplayer is now in stable, testing and unstable |
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| 12:29.44 | tonyb2006 | bartw: why would you want to use an OS that treats you like a theif? d: |
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| 12:30.11 | abrotman | rohan: yes .. but some parts of it are missing |
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| 12:30.14 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: when I run modprobe ipw2200 |
| 12:30.14 | _GTS_ | modprobe ieee1394 |
| 12:30.15 | _GTS_ | modprobe sbp2 |
| 12:30.15 | _GTS_ | modprobe ohci1394 , now lsmod show that modulas |
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| 12:30.24 | abrotman | rohan: ah ok |
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| 12:30.52 | rohan | :) |
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| 12:31.14 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 12:31.14 | dpkg | well, mplayer is in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 12:31.15 | abrotman | better ? |
| 12:31.18 | roland_ | can abiword open .doc ? |
| 12:31.31 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:31.34 | rohan | abrotman: sure :) |
| 12:31.34 | knubbze | hi |
| 12:31.37 | bartw | great i can get to the vista bootloader but it fails |
| 12:31.49 | debiantonio | !worker |
| 12:31.49 | dpkg | worker is probably The absolute top of the nothch two pane fm out there. It's fast and reliable. Go get it dude |
| 12:31.58 | knubbze | does anybody know how to change the system language? it's in German for some freaky reason, I'd like to change it to English |
| 12:32.20 | rohan | top of the "notch", it means ? :o |
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| 12:32.35 | stew | knubbze: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:32.59 | knubbze | thanks |
| 12:33.06 | [gloom] | _GTS_: of course! modprobe insert moduled in the kernel. Rmmod unloads them. So, as is explaied in your tutorial, rmmod the modules one by one, till you don't have any of them loaded. Then, modprobe them, one by one (the page tells you that you have to load the ipw2200 after the iie1394), so do it in that order. |
| 12:33.35 | stew | worker looks just like gentoo |
| 12:33.39 | [gloom] | _GTS_: when you finished, and chek they are all loaded with lsmod, then give up the interface with ifconfig eth0 up, and the configure it with iwconfig |
| 12:34.30 | perlmonkey | anyone can help me with Shorewall config for VPN (very basic static.key VPN with 1 client)? |
| 12:34.48 | perlmonkey | I'm unable to ping the server from client |
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| 12:36.20 | rohan | on my laptop acer travelmate 3260, the alsamixer gives option to control volume, but there is no way i can mute the speakers when i insert the headphones into the jack. not even manually. on other distros, i can manually mute it by muting "Surround" channel. automatic muting works only on 'doze. the module used is snd-hda-intel. any ideas ? |
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| 12:36.30 | buscon | Hi, any howto about set up a irc server? |
| 12:36.37 | buscon | (with debian) |
| 12:36.40 | knubbze | whee stew, thank you :) |
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| 12:36.53 | stew | buscon: /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian |
| 12:36.57 | rohan | the !suspend factoid is a bit confusing too |
| 12:38.15 | abrotman | not all have a README.Debian |
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| 12:39.48 | perlmonkey | if my firewall is not running I should be able to ping my openvpn server? |
| 12:40.17 | _GTS_ | [gloom]: ok I can see the modulas at lsmod, and I did what you said, iwconfig eth0 returns eth0 no wireless extensions. :( |
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| 12:41.48 | [gloom] | rohan: this guy: http://www.gordsellar.com/2007/03/10/ubuntu-610-on-an-hp-dv2000-dv-2024-actually/ seemed to have the same problem. Solved in the #3 comment |
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| 12:42.22 | rohan | thanks, [gloom] .. looking |
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| 12:42.39 | funky | hi |
| 12:42.41 | stew | rohan: are you the rohan that used to work on ivman? |
| 12:42.42 | [gloom] | _GTS_: man, that's the normal procedure. Maybe the driver has some issues with the firmware as gentoo guide says. I ran out of ides... |
| 12:42.48 | funky | are there backports for etch ? |
| 12:42.56 | stew | funky: yes |
| 12:42.57 | [gloom] | ides=ideas |
| 12:43.05 | stew | funky: (on backports.org) |
| 12:43.17 | rohan | stew: no, never used ivman :) |
| 12:43.28 | stew | rohan: ok, nm |
| 12:43.32 | abrocadabro | _GTS_: what was your problem? |
| 12:43.33 | funky | stew: i see, but the packages that I saw there are not newer than etch ones |
| 12:43.46 | rohan | [gloom]: well, will it work on my laptop ? |
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| 12:44.28 | [gloom] | rohan: don't know. Look for the patches, apply them, and try it. |
| 12:44.49 | rohan | yes, [gloom] , it was more of "thinking aloud" than actually asking a question :) |
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| 12:45.14 | stew | funky: http://backports.org/debian/dists/etch-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages |
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| 12:45.17 | [gloom] | np |
| 12:45.45 | rohan | i wish k3b 1.0 had gone into etch :( it's so much better |
| 12:45.58 | stew | funky: looks like only 2 packages so far |
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| 12:46.31 | Betzefer | what mp3 player do u use ? |
| 12:47.04 | Betzefer | i hate this fucking rythembox |
| 12:47.05 | funky | stew: all related to kernel |
| 12:47.16 | rohan | wow, backports is agressive .. they upgraded the kernel ! |
| 12:47.37 | stew | funky: linux-2.6 and t-prot ; more will be arriving soon |
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| 12:47.44 | abrotman | quod libet is okay |
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| 12:47.47 | tarzeau | rohan: i wish it came with k3bsetup |
| 12:47.54 | tarzeau | Betzefer: opencubicplayer |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:48.07 | funky | stew: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free <- is this line ok? |
| 12:48.25 | funky | the backports site is outdated |
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| 12:48.44 | bartw | pffft, somthing in the debian installer caused vista to use 0x17 as its partition type for the main disk |
| 12:48.50 | bartw | effectivly make it unbootable |
| 12:49.01 | rohan | tarzeau: yes :) |
| 12:49.05 | abrocadabro | is there a SSH analyser or a plugin for wireshark? |
| 12:49.08 | rohan | tarzeau: btw, did you do !popcon today ? :D |
| 12:49.15 | tarzeau | rohan: no |
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| 12:49.35 | liable | dont ecourage him |
| 12:49.40 | rohan | ;) |
| 12:49.52 | rohan | tarzeau: come on, everyone must know about popcon .. go ahead, man |
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| 12:50.32 | abrotman | rohan: he can't anymore |
| 12:50.53 | rohan | why ? |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | AFAIK .. he's on the bot's ignore list |
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| 12:52.15 | cengizhakan | burda yardımlaÅma sanırım tÃŒrkçe deil |
| 12:52.17 | rohan | ah, i see |
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| 12:52.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: is he looking for help ? |
| 12:52.58 | abrotman | !tr |
| 12:52.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 12:53.04 | cengizhakan | debianla ilgili tÃŒrkçe yardım alabileceÄim bir adres varmı |
| 12:53.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:53.09 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:53.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | oh .. not anymore! |
| 12:53.22 | abrotman | is tht turkish ? |
| 12:53.42 | rohan | [gloom]: that makes it give unknown symbol errors. any ideas ? |
| 12:53.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 12:54.08 | rohan | tarzeau: \o/ ;) |
| 12:54.21 | stew | funky: yes |
| 12:54.34 | tarzeau | rohan: if you look at popcon.ubuntu.com and count all of them togheter, almost 100000 dpkg/apt-get/popcon users exist |
| 12:54.46 | tarzeau | rohan: that's dangerously near to www.linuxcounter.org |
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| 12:55.28 | rohan | tarzeau: exactly, which is why more users need to be aware of popcon on debian :) |
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| 12:55.45 | abrotman | rohan: the etchinstaller asks you to install it |
| 12:55.54 | rohan | abrotman: yes, and i have it enabled :) |
| 12:56.00 | Betzefer | what mp3 player do u use ? |
| 12:56.01 | Arafangion | The popcon stuff isn't really there to see how popular debian is. |
| 12:56.02 | Betzefer | i hate this fucking rythembox |
| 12:56.03 | bartw | but t defaults to no |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | Betzefer: then use something else .. |
| 12:56.18 | Arafangion | It's more there so that the Debian guys can know what packages should be on CD1, what should be on CD2, and so forth. |
| 12:56.21 | redduck676 | Betzefer: i use mp3blaster. |
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| 12:56.24 | tarzeau | Betzefer: still opencubicplayer |
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| 12:56.35 | ma3x | oh fuck |
| 12:56.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're the only person using that |
| 12:56.42 | ma3x | I wanted to do rm -rf etch |
| 12:56.42 | tarzeau | Arafangion: it's also interesting for statistic fans |
| 12:56.46 | Betzefer | ya his right |
| 12:56.47 | ma3x | and I removed etc |
| 12:56.49 | ma3x | what should I do? |
| 12:56.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's wrong, see popcon! |
| 12:56.53 | [gloom] | rohan: check dependencies to compile them. Maybe you're missing some libs |
| 12:56.54 | Betzefer | why should we use text based ? |
| 12:56.56 | ma3x | heeeelp |
| 12:57.00 | liable | haha |
| 12:57.03 | tarzeau | Betzefer: it's text AND graphical |
| 12:57.04 | ma3x | don't laugh |
| 12:57.07 | ma3x | can I rescue it? |
| 12:57.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: it doesn't count when you install it on multiple machines :) |
| 12:57.10 | redduck676 | ma3x: restore the backup. |
| 12:57.15 | ma3x | i have no backup |
| 12:57.19 | redduck676 | ma3x: if you don't have it reinstall. |
| 12:57.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't have THAT many computers |
| 12:57.21 | ma3x | I just installed my system few days ago |
| 12:57.23 | Betzefer | hows the mp3blaster ? |
| 12:57.23 | tarzeau | :) |
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| 12:57.33 | ma3x | reinstall? |
| 12:57.35 | ma3x | come on |
| 12:57.37 | abrotman | ma3x: use your backup |
| 12:57.38 | tarzeau | Betzefer: it can only do mp3 and the keyboard control is not that intuitive |
| 12:57.42 | ma3x | abrotman what backup? |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | ma3x: reinstall |
| 12:57.48 | redduck676 | Betzefer: ''it works'' |
| 12:57.52 | ma3x | damnit!!!!! |
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| 12:58.04 | abrotman | ma3x: you can try to resinstall every package with confmiss options |
| 12:58.05 | Betzefer | lol |
| 12:58.12 | asg | !qotd126 |
| 12:58.13 | dpkg | qotd126 is probably <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
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| 12:58.34 | liable | how apt |
| 12:58.43 | ma3x | abrotman should i insert the etch cd and reinstall now? |
| 12:58.43 | abrotman | Betzefer: there are tons of GUI music players |
| 12:58.56 | abrotman | Betzefer: quod libet is another gnome one |
| 12:58.58 | Betzefer | ya but whats the best or most common ? |
| 12:59.08 | abrotman | ma3x: or you could try to rescue it .. you might actually learn something |
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| 12:59.11 | ma3x | how come if you remove something you cant restore it? |
| 12:59.16 | ma3x | that's stupid |
| 12:59.21 | abrotman | !best |
| 12:59.22 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 12:59.23 | redduck676 | ma3x: i guess you could re-install all the packages and hope your computer boots after a reboot |
| 12:59.27 | ma3x | I mean why the hell are those wipe diks tools invented then? |
| 12:59.29 | abrotman | ma3x: YOU DIDN'T MAKE BACKUPS |
| 12:59.31 | ma3x | to rescue data |
| 12:59.37 | Betzefer | !best mp3 |
| 12:59.39 | sikumkum | hi |
| 12:59.51 | ma3x | I mean if you need to wipe it, then probably there is a way to restore it |
| 12:59.53 | ma3x | what's the way? |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | ma3x: you're also dumb enough to run around deleting everything as root |
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| 13:00.02 | redduck676 | Betzefer: you have been already given two suggestions, but you keep asking. why? |
| 13:00.02 | sikumkum | i just get debian sarege r4, and i cant install it on amd64 SATA machine |
| 13:00.11 | ma3x | abrotman how do i reinstall them all? should i specify them one by one? |
| 13:00.15 | asg | ma3x: it's not impossible, it just takes knowledge and skill |
| 13:00.16 | Betzefer | cause i want 2 . |
| 13:00.17 | Betzefer | .. |
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| 13:00.24 | Betzefer | mind your own biz |
| 13:00.25 | Betzefer | k ? |
| 13:00.27 | sikumkum | it was said, the installation didnt detect the hardrive |
| 13:00.28 | abrotman | ma3x: man apt-get .. man dpkg |
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| 13:00.46 | ma3x | abrotman I installed /etch/chroot and I moved chroot to / and then I wanted to delete the /etch which was empty |
| 13:00.47 | abrotman | Betzefer: you're asking everyone .. don't tell him to mind his own business |
| 13:00.50 | sikumkum | anyone could help me please? |
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| 13:00.59 | Betzefer | u mind your own biz 2 |
| 13:01.00 | Betzefer | k .. |
| 13:01.07 | abrotman | !tell Betzefer about wud |
| 13:01.20 | rohan | how do i see which module provides the symbol foo ? |
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| 13:01.24 | redduck676 | ma3x: untested: dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ { system("apt-get install --reinstall "$2); }' |
| 13:01.33 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 13:01.33 | dpkg | from memory, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 13:01.42 | abrotman | rbut he needs the confmiss stuff |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | he doesn't actually need the packages .. just the conf files |
| 13:01.52 | ma3x | abrotman bash: awk: command not found |
| 13:01.54 | abrotman | of course .. it'snot likely to work anyways :) |
| 13:02.11 | redduck676 | ma3x: use full path, /usr/bin/awk. |
| 13:02.23 | ma3x | bash: /usr/bin/awk: No such file or directory |
| 13:02.28 | ma3x | there is some package named mawk |
| 13:02.30 | ma3x | but awk i dont know |
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| 13:02.38 | sikumkum | anyone could help me to install Debian Sarge r4 on a AMD64 SATA machine? is the default DebianInstaller cannot install on the SATA drive? |
| 13:02.38 | redduck676 | ma3x: than use that one. |
| 13:02.44 | rohan | ma3x: sudo apt-get install awk |
| 13:02.52 | abrotman | since he deleted /etc/alternatives/ .. i'm guessing that that 'awk' won't work |
| 13:02.52 | ma3x | mawk is already the newest version. |
| 13:03.20 | ma3x | Reinstallation of gcc-3.4-base is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 13:03.24 | ma3x | it says things like that |
| 13:03.36 | ma3x | but I have them already downloaded |
| 13:03.39 | redduck676 | ma3x: create /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:03.43 | ma3x | i mean i didnt empty the cache |
| 13:03.52 | redduck676 | or better, save you some time and reinstall. |
| 13:04.07 | abrotman | ma3x: is that box upgraded from sarge ? |
| 13:04.13 | ma3x | what's the option to pick up the packages from /var/cache? |
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| 13:04.22 | abrotman | it just should |
| 13:04.24 | ma3x | abrotman its etch newly installed |
| 13:04.30 | sikumkum | anyone has succeeded ini installing debian sarge on amd64 SATA machine? |
| 13:04.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi. why do I have this error when installing a pkg? E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libgnome2-ruby_0.15.0-1.1_i386.deb: unable to create `./usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/gnome2.so' |
| 13:04.54 | ma3x | abrotReinstallation of gcc-3.4-base is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 13:05.05 | abrotman | sikumkum: dependso n the sata controller |
| 13:05.11 | ma3x | abrotman how can I tell apt-get to install them from local disk cache, and not to download them/ |
| 13:05.17 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 13:05.22 | rohan | sikumkum: any specific reason you are installing sarge ? |
| 13:05.28 | ma3x | abrotman I dont have man pages available right now |
| 13:05.30 | rohan | ma3x: it automatically does that |
| 13:05.44 | ma3x | rohan but i get Reinstallation of genisoimage is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 13:05.44 | abrotman | ma3x: dpkg -i |
| 13:05.44 | rohan | ma3x: but, atm, your apt doesnt know where the "local disk cache" is |
| 13:05.55 | rohan | yes |
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| 13:06.01 | ma3x | rohan so how can I tell it? |
| 13:06.07 | rohan | dpkg -i |
| 13:06.14 | rohan | ma3x: you deleted /etc right ? |
| 13:06.23 | ma3x | yeah |
| 13:06.24 | ma3x | I got it |
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| 13:06.32 | ma3x | I'll just cd /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:06.34 | rohan | dpkg -l > /some/safe/place/pkgs ... and reinstall |
| 13:06.34 | dpkg | No packages found matching > /some/safe/place/pkgs ... and reinstall |
| 13:06.36 | ma3x | and then i do dpkg -i * |
| 13:06.41 | ma3x | that would work, right? |
| 13:06.44 | rohan | yes, should |
| 13:06.48 | ma3x | ok, here we go... |
| 13:06.55 | rohan | if you don't get 100's of dependency errors |
| 13:07.01 | ma3x | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `root' in statoverride file |
| 13:07.14 | redduck676 | ma3x: re-install. |
| 13:07.14 | sikumkum | rohan: i just bought the 2 dvd 3.1 Debian GNU/Linux Sarge 64Bit Release 4. and i was install it on my machine xeon 64bit with SATA hardrive, during installation, it said, the hardrive is not detected |
| 13:07.32 | redduck676 | ma3x: you don't have passwd/shadow/gshadow/group files any more. |
| 13:07.50 | redduck676 | ...and probably creapload of other conf files i can't think off right now. |
| 13:07.54 | redduck676 | *crapload |
| 13:08.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I want to write in /usr but I cant it says read only filesystem, why? |
| 13:08.16 | ma3x | ok i'll reinstall then |
| 13:08.16 | rohan | sikumkum: well, you should have bought etch .. since it's the newest "debian" |
| 13:08.30 | rohan | gonzaloaf_laptop: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 13:08.35 | rohan | gonzaloaf_laptop: mount /usr -o remount,rw |
| 13:08.43 | sikumkum | ouch |
| 13:09.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | rohan, it is mounted with this options.... also I am root |
| 13:09.19 | rohan | strange |
| 13:09.22 | rohan | is the hdd full, gonzaloaf_laptop ? |
| 13:09.26 | redduck676 | gonzaloaf_laptop: what file system? |
| 13:09.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | rohan, 4.2G 3.3G 737M 83% /usr |
| 13:09.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | redduck676, ext3 |
| 13:09.57 | rohan | sorry, no idea then |
| 13:10.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | redduck676, by the way its a logical volume, I use lvm with ext3 fs on it |
| 13:10.11 | rohan | well, it might be that some error has occured, which is why it is automatically remounted as ro |
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| 13:11.02 | sikumkum | rohan: i cant install it with debian sarge? |
| 13:11.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | rohan, how can I know what did that? |
| 13:11.31 | rohan | sikumkum: you can, but sarge installer does not support sata iirc |
| 13:11.42 | dvs | rohan: you are correct sir! |
| 13:12.08 | rohan | gonzaloaf_laptop: no idea, just check fstab if it mentions "errors=remount,ro" in the mount options |
| 13:12.08 | liable | rohan: yes it does |
| 13:12.19 | liable | depends on the chipset |
| 13:12.27 | rohan | ah, ok |
| 13:12.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | rohan, yep there is this line: /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 13:13.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | rohan, but I dont remember if I had that one before |
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| 13:13.31 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I will fsck this fs |
| 13:13.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | brb |
| 13:13.34 | gonzaloaf_laptop | exit |
| 13:13.35 | rohan | yes |
| 13:13.39 | dvs | !exit |
| 13:13.40 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 13:13.43 | rohan | lol |
| 13:13.43 | rohan | :D |
| 13:13.55 | itchi | Hoi lovely guys |
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| 13:16.59 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 13:16.59 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd147 is <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
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| 13:18.24 | LV-426 | vi |
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| 13:20.12 | itchi | Some Dutch guys that want to fix my typo's on http://wiki.debian.org/FindPage?action=fullsearch&titlesearch=1&value=Dutch ? I will be so happy. |
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| 13:22.14 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 13:22.31 | HardDisk_WP | I heard rumours about a debian etch from usb-stick installer |
| 13:22.38 | HardDisk_WP | any links to that? |
| 13:22.44 | asg | HardDisk_WP: it's in the install guide |
| 13:23.06 | asg | HardDisk_WP: I installed this d420 laptop from usb-key using those instructions |
| 13:23.13 | HardDisk_WP | kool. |
| 13:23.21 | HardDisk_WP | where is the guide? |
| 13:23.35 | rohan | how do i see which module provides the symbol foo ? |
| 13:24.32 | asg | HardDisk_WP: www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 13:24.56 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 13:26.14 | cahoot | rohan: looked at /lob/modules/<kernel>/module.symbols? |
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| 13:26.24 | cahoot | s/lob/lib/ |
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| 13:27.49 | helmut | hi. I stared using uswsusp with encrypt = y, yesterday (on testing) and I noticed that only "odd" s2disk works. That means first s2disk works, second is ignored, third works, ... Has someone observed a similar behaviour? |
| 13:28.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: my latest package: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/ttf-essays/ |
| 13:28.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: and it would be ? |
| 13:28.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: install and see? |
| 13:28.41 | abrotman | ah no |
| 13:29.04 | helmut | Is there someone who can tell me that uswsusp with encrypt = y works on his system? |
| 13:29.16 | asg | helmut: it worked just fine on mine |
| 13:29.38 | helmut | asg: good. would you take some time to find differences between our systems? |
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| 13:29.49 | vinvin | hi ! |
| 13:29.59 | vinvin | what happened with nvidia in the yesterday's unstable ? |
| 13:30.01 | asg | helmut: did you enable encryption with dpkg-reconfigure ... or did you edit the conf directly? |
| 13:30.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf do i want a font for ? |
| 13:30.10 | helmut | asg: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:30.23 | abrotman | does gnustep even use fonts ? |
| 13:30.30 | asg | helmut: then there wouldn't be any diff. I've actually disabled it these days though. |
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| 13:30.44 | helmut | asg: do you use hibernate? |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | nightly |
| 13:30.58 | liable | abrotman: stone carvings i believe |
| 13:31.06 | abrotman | liable: hehe |
| 13:31.07 | asg | helmut: I use s2disk |
| 13:31.20 | helmut | asg: do you invoke it directly? |
| 13:31.42 | asg | helmut: yes, I'll pastebin my /etc/uswsusp.conf for you. Hang on |
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| 13:32.15 | helmut | asg: the hibernate package has tools to invoke s2disk after unconfiguring network devices and similar stuff. I therefore use hibernate instead. Maybe this is causing problems. |
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| 13:32.35 | asg | helmut: http://pastebin.ca/452697 |
| 13:32.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: sure, gnustep can use fonts. heck i don't just do games and gnustep |
| 13:32.46 | roland_ | should i use evince or adobe reader 7? |
| 13:32.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's a font ... |
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| 13:32.59 | asg | helmut: it's possible. I've tweaked my /etc/acpi/* to remove and stop various things myself. It works flawlessly these days. |
| 13:33.01 | helmut | asg: hibernate also switches to a vt and invokes i915resolution on my system. This all worked extremly reliable until I enabled encryption. |
| 13:33.05 | Isil`Zha | hallo. i changed my ~/.bashrc how can i use the changes? new login didn't solve the problem for me. this is i only did so remotely (ssh). shouldn't this be sufficient too? |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: can't you just put it in the xfonts-100dpi package ? |
| 13:33.09 | asg | helmut: I do that manually |
| 13:33.15 | asg | helmut: well, in a self-created script |
| 13:33.18 | vinvin | why does X doesnt find nvidia while the module is loaded ? |
| 13:33.23 | abrotman | Isil`Zha: source |
| 13:33.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, that's not possible |
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| 13:33.50 | FuzzyB | how do i change my default editor from nano to vim? |
| 13:33.52 | HYPOCRISY | secret |
| 13:33.52 | hark | vinvin: check the bts |
| 13:33.55 | liable | vinvin: new xorg has broken fglrx, likely the same for nvidia |
| 13:33.59 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: say EDITOR=vim |
| 13:34.00 | HardDisk_WP | asg, i followed http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html#id318166 but where to obtain the syslinux.cfg and the kernel image? |
| 13:34.03 | vinvin | :( |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not ? |
| 13:34.09 | vinvin | what is bts hark ? |
| 13:34.10 | hark | FuzzyB: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 13:34.12 | xand | FuzzyB: $EDITOR |
| 13:34.17 | liable | vinvin: downgrade xserver-xore-core |
| 13:34.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: different source distributions, authors, licenses |
| 13:34.28 | Isil`Zha | abrotman: thank you |
| 13:34.29 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:34.31 | vinvin | how liable ? |
| 13:34.38 | hark | !tell vinvin -about bts |
| 13:34.42 | helmut | asg: kernel version? |
| 13:34.43 | liable | vinvin: with dpkg |
| 13:34.54 | roland_ | should i use evince or adobe reader 7? |
| 13:34.55 | vinvin | where do I find the old package ? |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:35.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:35.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: besides the pkg you said is bitmapped fonts |
| 13:35.34 | liable | vinvin: why are you running sid? |
| 13:35.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: fonts are something i don't really care about .. i could live with just one font for everything :) |
| 13:35.34 | vinvin | because :) |
| 13:35.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait you don't have ttf-gentium or ttf-junicode ? |
| 13:35.46 | abrotman | vinvin: then you should know how to fix this |
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| 13:35.48 | asg | helmut: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | !tell vinvin about bts |
| 13:35.57 | vinvin | ok |
| 13:36.13 | asg | HardDisk_WP: same place you download cd images and whatnot |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: NFC .. fonts suck |
| 13:36.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you could choose just one font, would it be sans serif or with serifes? |
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| 13:36.24 | DaWorm | hi |
| 13:36.28 | helmut | asg: I use a self compiled 2.6.18-rc2 vanilla |
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| 13:36.41 | hark | liable: did the latest update fix things? |
| 13:36.43 | asg | helmut: did you recreate the initrd-img after you enabled encryption? |
| 13:36.46 | roland_ | should i use evince or adobe reader 7? |
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| 13:36.54 | hark | roland_: evince |
| 13:36.55 | asg | roland_: xpdf |
| 13:37.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: doesn't matter |
| 13:37.12 | roland_ | xpdf is too old/primitive/obsolete |
| 13:37.19 | tarzeau | roland_: bullshit |
| 13:37.26 | tarzeau | roland_: adobe reader is non-free |
| 13:37.27 | abrotman | roland_: xpdf still works better for some situations |
| 13:37.30 | helmut | asg: dpkg-reconfigure did. |
| 13:37.31 | asg | roland_: it renders pdfs more efficiently and correctly than evince and is less bloaty crap than adobe |
| 13:37.39 | liable | hark: no, its a problem in fglrx. the x people say its the drivers fault, because its checking the wrong package for version. downgrading -core is the only solution for now. |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | roland_: but i find evince works well in most situations |
| 13:37.51 | roland_ | ok sorry to anger you |
| 13:37.53 | roland_ | xpdf i will go |
| 13:37.58 | I_Died_Once | is there a way to specify to debian during installation that i want to use KDE instead of gnome? |
| 13:38.06 | asg | roland_: don't listen to us. Try them all and decide for yourself. |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | don't use tasksel |
| 13:38.11 | HardDisk_WP | asg, k |
| 13:38.14 | liable | hark: broke my fucking xgl though, and i really cant be arsed fixing t atm, which sucks |
| 13:38.16 | helmut | asg: The problem is: hibernate works like your script and invokes several commands. The last command is s2disk. When s2disk terminates it brings up network again etc. |
| 13:38.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: found any new games? |
| 13:38.32 | asg | helmut: if you can try using the default etch kernel, that might be worthwhile. |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: no time lately |
| 13:38.34 | helmut | asg: And sometimes this looks like hibernate called /bin/true instead of s2disk. |
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| 13:38.51 | helmut | asg: i.e. all the actions are done except for the s2disk. |
| 13:38.57 | roland_ | i wont use stupid adobe reader until they release version 8 for linux |
| 13:39.05 | roland_ | i only like 8 |
| 13:39.09 | tarzeau | roland_: but even then, it won't be in debian |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | reallly? |
| 13:39.18 | xand | roland_: bless |
| 13:39.18 | tarzeau | roland_: the source is not available to the public |
| 13:39.21 | DaWorm | awk usage: How can I extract only the word "debian" from the line "irc.debian.org" with awk? Matching the expression /*\.debian\.*/ ? |
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| 13:39.30 | tarzeau | roland_: it has nothing in common with the goals of debian |
| 13:39.31 | roland_ | tarzeau: doesnt matter, you can download it from their site |
| 13:39.44 | tarzeau | roland_: it won't work on debian gnu/linux on sparc |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | DaWorm: awk -F. '{print $2}' |
| 13:39.50 | xand | aren't adobe meant to be opening up PDF? |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | PDF is compressed PS |
| 13:39.58 | roland_ | i dont use sparc -_- i use x86 |
| 13:40.02 | tarzeau | xand: those who didn't open up postscript? |
| 13:40.13 | helmut | asg: indeed I can no longer reproduce the behaviour. In the meantime I enabled early writeout, invoke hibernate directly (and not via acpi power button), and increased log level. |
| 13:40.29 | hark | liable: ah, that sucks.. so they're not going to fix it then? it'll be ages before ati moves its ass |
| 13:40.33 | helmut | asg: I'll see whether the bug occurs again. thanks for helping to debug this so far. |
| 13:40.41 | teclo- | Hello, just installed Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 on some machine, but the size of the console (matroxfb) is way too big for my screen (9 inch). How do I fix this ? |
| 13:40.45 | DaWorm | abrotman: thanks |
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| 13:41.03 | liable | hark: nope, x are pointing the blame to fglrx, its apperntly happening on fedora too |
| 13:41.09 | tarzeau | teclo-: 80x25? |
| 13:41.20 | tarzeau | teclo-: fbset or svgatextmode maybe? |
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| 13:41.27 | abrotman | vga=<mode> ? |
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| 13:41.33 | tarzeau | teclo-: depends if you have framebuffer or not |
| 13:41.35 | lupine_85 | vga=0318 ftw :) |
| 13:41.37 | redduck676 | abrotman: you have to reboot for that :-) |
| 13:41.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: we don't know if he has vga |
| 13:41.54 | abrotman | can you change the console without rebooting ? |
| 13:41.55 | tarzeau | teclo-: it's an x86 computer? |
| 13:41.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes |
| 13:41.59 | lupine_85 | using matroxfb, I'd guess s/he does... |
| 13:42.14 | tarzeau | lupine_85: you can change the console even without matroxfb |
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| 13:43.10 | hark | teclo-: read the kernel documentation for a vga=param... /Documentation/fb/matroxfb.txt.gz |
| 13:43.47 | ootput | what's the name of the package that replaced cdrecord? |
| 13:44.03 | ootput | (due to it's license) |
| 13:44.06 | liable | wodim |
| 13:44.10 | liable | stupid name |
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| 13:44.17 | liable | so fucking hard to remember |
| 13:44.18 | tarzeau | liable: ack |
| 13:44.32 | tarzeau | chaning names sucks |
| 13:44.39 | tarzeau | so salient |
| 13:44.39 | roland_ | can anyone sugest a simplistic and lightweight image viewer(jpeg,jpg,png) for viewing my images ? |
| 13:44.48 | asg | helmut: good luck |
| 13:44.59 | tarzeau | roland_: feh |
| 13:45.06 | streuner | roland_: gqview |
| 13:45.07 | ootput | roland_: feh |
| 13:45.12 | tarzeau | roland_: i've even seen people use links2 -g to view images |
| 13:45.12 | liable | what the image-magick one? |
| 13:45.14 | redduck676 | roland_: fbi uses framebuffer. display(1) from imagemagick is simplistic |
| 13:45.20 | tarzeau | liable: display, very slow |
| 13:45.28 | ootput | so the options are the same for wodim |
| 13:45.33 | liable | yes |
| 13:45.36 | ootput | yeah, it's an ugly name |
| 13:45.39 | ootput | hard to remember |
| 13:45.46 | DaWorm | abrotman: And matching user@debian.org getting the debian word? |
| 13:46.47 | hark | this /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg*/script thing's pretty cool |
| 13:46.52 | helmut | asg: I think it to be some kind of timing issue/race condition. As long as it doesn't occur too often (i.e. unreproducible ;-) it should be ok. |
| 13:46.57 | abrotman | DaWorm: you can pipe awk |
| 13:47.09 | abrotman | DaWorm: so you can use -F@ and then -F. |
| 13:47.16 | abrotman | or ask #awk :) |
| 13:47.54 | asg | helmut: yeah, the fact that it works at all is huge in these acpi days. Never was a problem with older APM laptops. |
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| 13:47.57 | redduck676 | abrotman: you can use -F'[@.]' |
| 13:48.04 | abrotman | see :) |
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| 13:48.29 | helmut | asg: ACK. suspend 2 ram was a great feature those days. |
| 13:48.50 | helmut | asg: no need for diskspace, no need for writeout, no need for encryption, ... |
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| 13:49.11 | asg | helmut: I've had mixed success with s2ram on this laptop so far; I'll stay with s2disk for now. |
| 13:49.25 | jazbo2185 | How can I turn off the system bell (PC speaker?)? |
| 13:49.36 | abrotman | !bell |
| 13:49.37 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 13:49.38 | helmut | asg: As I'd like to pull the powerplug I'm unable to use s2ram. |
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| 13:49.45 | helmut | asg: In that way s2disk is great. |
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| 13:49.58 | jazbo2185 | thanks |
| 13:50.03 | redduck676 | jazbo2185: you can remove the module that handles it, if all you want is for bash to stop beeping you can hack .inputrc |
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| 13:50.15 | asg | helmut: ah, okay |
| 13:51.05 | vinvin | wasn't the new xorg and nvidia bug already reported ? |
| 13:51.08 | vinvin | i can't find it |
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| 13:53.54 | liable | misnix: |
| 13:54.01 | liable | oops |
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| 13:58.40 | dclarke | hello . I want to install etch but my machine only has PXE boot. No CDROM and no floppy. Is there a guide for this somewhere ? |
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| 13:59.22 | asg | dclarke: the install guide for etch covers network booting |
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| 13:59.43 | dclarke | I will go search for it at the debian site |
| 13:59.50 | asg | dclarke: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 13:59.59 | dclarke | hopefully it covers off the steps for a person with a Solaris server here |
| 14:00.04 | asg | dclarke: if you can boot from a usb stick, that can be used also |
| 14:00.06 | dclarke | oh .. very kind .. thank you |
| 14:00.11 | dclarke | yes ! |
| 14:00.16 | dclarke | I have six USB ports |
| 14:00.22 | famir | hi i changed my pc and i cant load Xwindows is there any "genric view" settings |
| 14:00.25 | asg | dclarke: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 14:00.57 | dclarke | oh .. USB boot looks nice |
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| 14:01.15 | dclarke | I mean .. if I can figure out how to create the USB bootable thumb drive |
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| 14:01.55 | asg | dclarke: if you have a big enough thumb drive / stick, the 'copying files the easy way' section will do the trick. |
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| 14:02.14 | Ahmadinejad | Hu |
| 14:02.36 | Ahmadinejad | How do i check how much memory i have back? |
| 14:02.45 | dclarke | asg : thanks .. you are very helpful . I am going to get my thumb drive ( I have a 4GB onw here ) |
| 14:02.45 | asg | Ahmadinejad: free |
| 14:02.51 | asg | dclarke: you're welcome |
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| 14:04.05 | Ahmadinejad | yes free |
| 14:04.14 | Ahmadinejad | how do i check how much i have free |
| 14:04.21 | Ahmadinejad | *is free |
| 14:04.31 | epsilon | free |
| 14:04.40 | asg | Ahmadinejad: /msg dpkg free memory |
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| 14:05.01 | asg | Ahmadinejad: and by free, we mean free(1) |
| 14:05.02 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 14:05.32 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 14:05.39 | Ahmadinejad | that dosnt work |
| 14:05.47 | Ahmadinejad | in the terminal |
| 14:05.59 | asg | Ahmadinejad: /usr/bin/free |
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| 14:06.17 | DaWorm | abrotman: can an delimiter be any sign? like /, + ? |
| 14:06.23 | roland_ | how do i turn volume on to my sound card ? running xfce and have installed alsa and xmms ( im trying to play a .pls radio playlist) , have also checked that my soundcard modules are loaded.. all is ok .. but xmms says to check soundcard |
| 14:06.26 | dclarke | asg : one last question that may be OT. Can I prepare the USB stick from my RHEL5 server ? |
| 14:06.38 | tarzeau | roland_: what says aumix ? |
| 14:06.39 | roland_ | i need alsa-utils? |
| 14:06.42 | roland_ | oh wait |
| 14:06.45 | asg | dclarke: yes, there is nothing debian specific about the process |
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| 14:06.53 | liable | roland_: are you in audio group? |
| 14:06.59 | roland_ | let me check |
| 14:07.01 | redduck676 | DaWorm: awk takes regex as delimiter. delimiter can be any valid regex. |
| 14:07.02 | dclarke | asg : beautiful ! you are wonderful .. thank you ! |
| 14:07.24 | dclarke | asg : I was worried that my day would be screwed with DHCP and PXE boot stuff but this looks better |
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| 14:07.42 | dclarke | of course .. I am assuming that I can boot that USB device :-) |
| 14:07.47 | roland_ | i am in audio group, but i dont have installed aumix, i'll install it now |
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| 14:07.58 | asg | dclarke: if not, the tftp/dhcp/pxe boot is pretty easy and well documented. |
| 14:08.09 | roland_ | hmm |
| 14:08.10 | roland_ | summer:/home/roland# aumix |
| 14:08.10 | roland_ | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 14:08.16 | redduck676 | DaWorm: if you want literal signs as delmiters i advise to use [+/?], the only character that is not taken as literal in there is '^' and even that only if it is at the begening, ie [^] <-- not a literal '^' |
| 14:08.27 | liable | roland_: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 14:08.33 | roland_ | lets see |
| 14:08.47 | redduck676 | roland_: what's wrong with alsamixer? |
| 14:09.09 | roland_ | snd_timer 20996 1 snd_pcm |
| 14:09.09 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.10 | DaWorm | redduck676: and an -> ^@ <- delimiter? |
| 14:09.16 | dclarke | asg : the problem is that I have a Solaris 8 server here and setting up DHCP + TFTP may be a bugger to figure out |
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| 14:09.30 | dclarke | asg : I will read both manuals and then see what looks easier |
| 14:09.37 | roland_ | i dont have snd-pcm-oss loaded |
| 14:09.48 | sikumkum | hello, i just bought the 2 dvd 3.1 Debian GNU/Linux Sarge 64Bit Release 4. and i was install it on my machine xeon 64bit with SATA hardrive, during installation, it said, the hardrive is not detected. how to make the installer working with SATA hardrive? |
| 14:09.55 | roland_ | i have it now |
| 14:09.58 | roland_ | i'll check |
| 14:10.01 | liable | so.. what do you think would be a good idea to do? |
| 14:10.41 | redduck676 | DaWorm: no, ^ has a special meaning in regex, and what you said means ''@ at the begening of the line'' |
| 14:10.50 | redduck676 | so it is not an useful delimiter. |
| 14:11.27 | redduck676 | DaWorm: if you want that string as delimiter use -F'\^@' |
| 14:11.33 | roland_ | ok weird, i have loaded snd-pcm-oss and i have raised volume in aumix but still no sound |
| 14:11.40 | liable | sikumkum: try the 'linux26' boot option |
| 14:11.45 | roland_ | i have kernel module for my soundcard and im in audio group |
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| 14:12.10 | ocZio | http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=34863 |
| 14:12.13 | ocZio | :) |
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| 14:12.41 | DaWorm | redduck676: abrotman: I want to get an param option from /proc/pid/cmdline . every time I use awk on this line I get only the first param (the programm). all option are separated by an invisble ^@ sign. How can I access any option? |
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| 14:13.06 | liable | roland_: cat /vmlinuz >> /dev/dsp |
| 14:13.23 | rob1 | hi, how can i restore grub after that widows has overwrite the mbr ? i can boot from a live cd, use chroot, but what is the command to restore grub? |
| 14:13.27 | roland_ | summer:/home/roland# cat /vmlinuz >> /dev/dsp |
| 14:13.27 | roland_ | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
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| 14:13.30 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 14:13.38 | ironfroggy_LT | anyone know what package i might be missing if i get an error from ld that crt1.o is missing? this is running a configure script on the first gcc test. |
| 14:13.46 | Ahmadinejad | apt-get install codeblocks |
| 14:13.50 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 14:14.00 | liable | roland_: kill esd or artsd |
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| 14:14.16 | Crissi2 | hello |
| 14:14.21 | roland_ | killall esd |
| 14:14.21 | roland_ | esd: no process killed |
| 14:14.21 | roland_ | summer:/home/roland# killall artsd |
| 14:14.22 | roland_ | artsd: no process killed |
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| 14:14.50 | cahoot | roland_: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 14:15.05 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.05 | roland_ | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 14:15.05 | roland_ | xmms 7158 roland 9w CHR 14,3 38367 /dev/dsp |
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| 14:15.16 | roland_ | xmms is on pause atm |
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| 14:15.32 | cahoot | but occupying the device |
| 14:15.43 | roland_ | lol so it locked the device or what? |
| 14:15.51 | cahoot | right |
| 14:15.57 | roland_ | k wait |
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| 14:16.15 | roland_ | yeah , the linux kernel has spoken |
| 14:16.21 | roland_ | its scary |
| 14:16.36 | roland_ | so its a output plugin problem |
| 14:16.39 | roland_ | in xmms |
| 14:16.41 | DaWorm | abrotman: redduck676 any idea? the ^@ sign's where destroy the awk execution |
| 14:16.56 | redduck676 | DaWorm: ps ax | awk "/[8]314/"'{ print $6 }' <-- from $6 on you have the arguments |
| 14:17.02 | cahoot | roland_: alsa sound is best tested with someting simple like aplay |
| 14:17.05 | redduck676 | DaWorm: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:17.54 | roland_ | heck how do i use apt-file to search for command 'aplay' ? |
| 14:17.58 | roland_ | i tried apt-file search aplay |
| 14:18.12 | cahoot | roland_: alsa-utils IIRC |
| 14:18.17 | redduck676 | roland_: use apt-cache? |
| 14:18.18 | asg | roland_: apt-file update ; apt-file search bin/aplay |
| 14:18.49 | roland_ | redduck676: apt-cache searches for packages not for commands inside packages afaik |
| 14:19.15 | ironfroggy_LT | im running ubuntu but i know much of it comes from debian, so if a package is missing a dependancy, where should i report it? |
| 14:19.23 | DaWorm | redduck676: I want to get start parameter of an process. like cp foo /home/foo on runtime execution |
| 14:19.30 | asg | ironfroggy_LT: the ubuntu bug tracker |
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| 14:19.41 | liable | ironfroggy_LT: to the ubuntu bug tracker |
| 14:19.52 | liable | snap! |
| 14:19.56 | redduck676 | DaWorm: why? |
| 14:20.31 | asg | DaWorm: /proc/<PID>/cmdline |
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| 14:20.48 | redduck676 | asg: the problem is to extrack the options from that file |
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| 14:21.04 | DaWorm | redduck676: to do something with it. like destinaionpath operation in the last example |
| 14:21.14 | dclarke | I will pop back into this chan .. when I get my machine installed .. I hope :-) |
| 14:21.14 | DaWorm | redduck676: righ |
| 14:21.16 | asg | redduck676: yes, that is somewhat of a challenge |
| 14:21.18 | DaWorm | redduck676: right |
| 14:21.23 | dclarke | thanks .. and away I go ! |
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| 14:21.49 | redduck676 | DaWorm: there is probably way easier way to do what you are doing. if you explain us what you are doing we might be able to show it to you. |
| 14:22.08 | asg | redduck676: though awk can split the line easily |
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| 14:23.25 | redduck676 | asg: maybe i'm stupid, but i couldn't find a trivial way to split that line with awk |
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| 14:23.31 | DaWorm | asg: the cmdline file usw a delimiter which could not process by awk |
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| 14:24.00 | asg | DaWorm, redduck676: the line is null delimited afaik |
| 14:24.39 | DaWorm | null? |
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| 14:25.27 | DaWorm | asg: awk -Fnull '{print $1} ' cmdline -> use the problem? |
| 14:25.29 | asg | DaWorm: NUL (man ascii) |
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| 14:26.41 | DaWorm | asg: awk -FNUL '{print $1} ' cmdline ?? |
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| 14:27.44 | asg | DaWorm: let me have a look. Some awks don't support \0 |
| 14:27.52 | redduck676 | asg: any ideas how can i make awk use null character as delimiter? |
| 14:28.19 | redduck676 | i've tried -F'\000' and -F'\x00', and even adding $ just before the single quotes, no luck. |
| 14:28.27 | hal8 | sid upgrade just made my xinerama resolution very low (evil nividia card & drivers in use) anyone else seen something similar? |
| 14:28.48 | simonrvn | redduck676: '0x00' if anything |
| 14:29.35 | redduck676 | simonrvn: no luck with that one either :( |
| 14:29.48 | nceterval | Two times now in the past few months, after doing a routine dist-upgrade in Sid, I have experienced amarok and kscreensaver segfaulting on startup. Both times, running "touch /etc/ld.so.nohwcap" as root has completely solved the problem. Can anyone identify why this keeps happening? |
| 14:29.48 | DaWorm | me too |
| 14:30.26 | asg | redduck676: perl -ne '@a = split("\0"); print $a[2];' cmdline |
| 14:30.34 | asg | redduck676: when in doubt, perl ftw |
| 14:31.25 | redduck676 | asg: heh, thanks |
| 14:31.35 | itchi | Why do we see somethings like: $Id: curator,v 1.34 2003/09/20 21:28:52 blais Exp $ |
| 14:31.41 | nceterval | I found this solution through Google - it seems other Debian users more knowledgeable than I have experienced this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/01/msg01194.html |
| 14:31.44 | itchi | These '$ bla bla bla $' |
| 14:31.49 | asg | itchi: those are CVS tags |
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| 14:32.11 | itchi | asg: To automatically update some version or whatever variable content? |
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| 14:32.35 | asg | itchi: yes |
| 14:32.40 | itchi | hhmm |
| 14:32.49 | DaWorm | asg; redduck676: the easiest way is grep on ps -ax so i can geth the line with awk |
| 14:33.10 | asg | DaWorm: yes, though some programs can often hide that output |
| 14:33.10 | simonrvn | call them rcs tags, 'cause other rcs use them now |
| 14:33.12 | itchi | asg: Heh, do you know if we have that too in svn? |
| 14:33.30 | asg | itchi: not sure. Probably. |
| 14:33.40 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:33.47 | simonrvn | svn propset |
| 14:33.48 | asg | itchi: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 14:33.51 | itchi | asg: Whould be great, if i i been understand, that's a build in templating system |
| 14:33.58 | DaWorm | asg: do you sure ^@ is meant to be NULL? |
| 14:34.13 | itchi | asg: Yup yup, i gona take back the book, is long time ago and it's sunday :-p |
| 14:34.13 | asg | DaWorm: that's how it's printed |
| 14:34.29 | itchi | asg: Anyway, thanks for the light |
| 14:34.33 | itchi | simonrvn: you too ;-) |
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| 14:35.12 | asg | !simonrvn++ |
| 14:35.38 | simonrvn | and me half-asleep haha |
| 14:35.48 | simonrvn | thank you |
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| 14:36.08 | DaWorm | asg: do you know an solution? |
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| 14:36.13 | asg | simonrvn: you were correct regarding the rcs tags bit. Should change your nick to 'simonsvn' though :) |
| 14:36.14 | stoned | man, I thought about what stew said when my /home wouldn't mount (sdb2/500gb) |
| 14:36.24 | stoned | cuz I mounted it under xp as ro |
| 14:36.31 | simonrvn | oh no not again ;) |
| 14:36.34 | stoned | then I just fsck it and it worked |
| 14:36.36 | stoned | whooo! |
| 14:36.39 | stoned | sigh of relief |
| 14:36.43 | asg | DaWorm: perl -ne '@a = split("\0"); print $a[2];' /proc/<PID>/cmdline |
| 14:36.49 | stoned | simonrvn: my dude man homie bro |
| 14:36.50 | stoned | whats up |
| 14:36.58 | zu22 | running 2.4.27 kernel and want to upgrade to 2.6.18, running debian testing and plan on use kernel-package, how do i handle the fact that initrd is not supported in 2.6.18 kernel, what should i do? i used initrd currently |
| 14:37.08 | asg | DaWorm: alter $a[2] to whichever field you are interested in. |
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| 14:37.25 | stoned | hey |
| 14:37.28 | coldsteal | hey |
| 14:37.33 | stoned | how come freode ctcp version me on connect? |
| 14:37.39 | stoned | freenode* |
| 14:37.49 | simonrvn | my old factoid used to have a very odd reference to subversion.... something about me knowing a bunch about it. ironically, i didn't much at all. was just something bob2 made up. was funny |
| 14:37.52 | itchi | !simonrvn++ |
| 14:37.53 | simonrvn | hi stoned |
| 14:37.57 | itchi | !asg++ |
| 14:38.00 | asg | yay! |
| 14:38.04 | itchi | voila, i'm happy today :-p |
| 14:38.05 | stoned | man its contagious |
| 14:38.05 | simonrvn | yay |
| 14:38.07 | zu22 | any idea? |
| 14:38.16 | zu22 | itchi: ? |
| 14:38.23 | stoned | everytime I see itchi he makes me wanna scratch myself |
| 14:38.25 | stoned | :( |
| 14:38.25 | coldsteal | i want to install debian for a nas but i want a verry minimal install how do i go about it? |
| 14:38.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:38.31 | itchi | zu22: I dunno |
| 14:38.39 | stoned | coldsteal: netinst |
| 14:38.41 | simonrvn | it's the *where* that matters ;p |
| 14:38.44 | fengor | whats a nas? |
| 14:38.49 | zu22 | simonrvn: u know? |
| 14:38.50 | asg | coldsteal: just install the base system. When it asks you to install other packages during the install, decline. |
| 14:38.53 | stoned | coldsteal: install a base system of 250mb or so and then just installthe services you need |
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| 14:39.01 | asg | fengor: NAS == Network Attached Storage |
| 14:39.04 | stoned | you can get away with about 500mb install at most |
| 14:39.05 | fengor | ah ok |
| 14:39.05 | itchi | zu22: Have you look on the Debian's wiki? |
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| 14:39.12 | DaWorm | asg: good this works. thanks :) |
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| 14:39.14 | coldsteal | so just a net install |
| 14:39.18 | stoned | !i.g |
| 14:39.20 | asg | DaWorm: :) |
| 14:39.22 | stoned | !ig |
| 14:39.23 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:39.26 | zu22 | itchi: yes it did not mention this |
| 14:39.26 | coldsteal | thats the smallets install |
| 14:39.26 | stoned | read this |
| 14:39.48 | stoned | coldsteal: or you can use DSL for a 50mb install and then go from there but I wouldn't do that |
| 14:39.54 | stoned | I don't even know why i just told you this |
| 14:39.55 | stoned | doh |
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| 14:40.04 | zu22 | kernel people wake up lol |
| 14:40.05 | Ahmadinejad | ttp://pastebin.ca/452766 |
| 14:40.08 | coldsteal | na i dont want dsl |
| 14:40.10 | itchi | zu22: Anyway, if you get the info, please add it to the wiki then |
| 14:40.14 | Ahmadinejad | It dont let me download with apt... |
| 14:40.19 | Ahmadinejad | what should i change it to? |
| 14:40.20 | zu22 | itchi: i will if i get it |
| 14:40.29 | itchi | zu22: Please do not send PM |
| 14:40.33 | stoned | fried eggs |
| 14:40.36 | stoned | sunny side up |
| 14:40.45 | stoned | toast and apple juice |
| 14:40.49 | zu22 | !itchi-- |
| 14:40.51 | stoned | with a side of debian |
| 14:40.52 | stoned | :) |
| 14:40.54 | fengor | Ahmadinejad: Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired. |
| 14:40.58 | zu22 | :P |
| 14:41.02 | simonrvn | zu22: 2.6 supports initrd... but it's recommended to us an initramfs initrd instead, now |
| 14:41.03 | Ahmadinejad | ah |
| 14:41.05 | Ahmadinejad | 2 sec |
| 14:41.05 | coldsteal | so whats the amount of space i need for my root partition? |
| 14:41.08 | simonrvn | use* |
| 14:41.09 | zu22 | stoned: i like apple juice |
| 14:41.17 | stoned | everyone likes apple juice |
| 14:41.24 | stoned | an apple a day keeps the doctor away |
| 14:41.28 | itchi | zu22: Looser, cause you ask me in PM to give you some ++ and i dislike it, you remove me some one. WTF are a * of guy |
| 14:41.30 | stoned | not too sure on the juice though |
| 14:41.31 | zu22 | simonrvn: never did initramfs, no clue how to set that up, can u help me? |
| 14:41.32 | coldsteal | if all i want is samba, ssh |
| 14:41.36 | stoned | no peels, no fibre |
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| 14:41.53 | stoned | coldsteal: base install + ssh + samba less than 200mb |
| 14:41.56 | stoned | 300* |
| 14:42.00 | stoned | total |
| 14:42.04 | coldsteal | okay |
| 14:42.15 | simonrvn | zu22: just tell k-p about the initrd, and it'll set that up. the initrd gets created on install |
| 14:42.16 | zu22 | itchi: ? you confused |
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| 14:42.31 | itchi | zu22: Anyway, it's your fault :-p |
| 14:42.32 | Ahmadinejad | http://pastebin.ca/452782 |
| 14:42.36 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
| 14:42.38 | simonrvn | initramfs is just a gzipped cpio archive |
| 14:42.49 | stoned | ahh updated 'toids |
| 14:42.53 | stoned | cool |
| 14:42.56 | coldsteal | so i cold partition off a 500mb and give it about 512 swap and let everything else for the share |
| 14:42.57 | simonrvn | *psst* it's in the kernel docs ;) |
| 14:43.05 | zu22 | simonrvn: so kernel-package will know how to create the initramfs? |
| 14:43.14 | simonrvn | re-read ^^^ |
| 14:43.15 | stoned | coldsteal: yes |
| 14:43.32 | coldsteal | is there any web management gui i can install |
| 14:43.41 | coldsteal | for easy stuff |
| 14:43.42 | stoned | coldsteal: make 1.5gb for deb, and 512 swap. |
| 14:43.45 | zu22 | simronrvn: the kernel docs package so big but i guess i better install it heh thx |
| 14:43.47 | stoned | just to beon the safe side |
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| 14:43.52 | stoned | in case you need space later on |
| 14:43.53 | zu22 | simonrvn: on dialup modem |
| 14:44.00 | coldsteal | okay stoned |
| 14:44.01 | stoned | logs/tmp/apt cache |
| 14:44.02 | stoned | etc. |
| 14:44.13 | Ahmadinejad | fengor: PM me |
| 14:44.26 | coldsteal | is there any web management gui i can install |
| 14:44.31 | stoned | coldsteal: no |
| 14:44.38 | fengor | Ahmadinejad: no ask your question in public so we can all learn |
| 14:44.46 | psst | simonrvn: what's in the kernel docs? |
| 14:44.46 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
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| 14:44.47 | stoned | learn to read comments in config files and modify them yourself |
| 14:44.55 | zu22 | stoned: i have 250 swap and i've never seen more than 25MB of it used |
| 14:44.55 | Ahmadinejad | but this channel go very fast:P |
| 14:45.02 | abrotman | modifying the comments is a great way to go :) |
| 14:45.05 | stoned | coldsteal: gui managers will make you badly dependant |
| 14:45.09 | Ahmadinejad | but my apt dosnt work because of this: http://pastebin.ca/452782 |
| 14:45.21 | stoned | abrotman: heh, modify the files* |
| 14:45.24 | stoned | smart ass |
| 14:45.25 | stoned | :) |
| 14:45.38 | coldsteal | stoned: just for montering and preforming simple tasks |
| 14:45.56 | stoned | well don't ask me about em cuz i won't tell |
| 14:45.56 | stoned | :) |
| 14:45.58 | zu22 | ;p |
| 14:46.01 | coldsteal | i can do everything via ssh |
| 14:46.03 | redduck676 | Ahmadinejad: so fix it? |
| 14:46.09 | Ahmadinejad | to what? |
| 14:46.41 | stoned | that was funny though im still crackin up |
| 14:46.46 | stoned | modify the commments lol |
| 14:47.08 | redduck676 | Ahmadinejad: http://pastebin.ca/452790 |
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| 14:47.28 | redduck676 | Ahmadinejad: that is from my server, i suggest you replace ''hr'' with your country code. |
| 14:47.29 | Ahmadinejad | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.29 | roland_ | how do i install a svn client pls |
| 14:47.35 | Ahmadinejad | ok:) |
| 14:47.52 | redduck676 | Ahmadinejad: you comment with # |
| 14:48.01 | abrotman | #svn |
| 14:48.03 | asg | roland_: apt-get install subversion |
| 14:48.15 | roland_ | ty |
| 14:48.26 | itchi | roland_: Search your stuff first: apt-cache search svn |
| 14:48.35 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 14:49.05 | Ahmadinejad | do i need to reboot? |
| 14:49.12 | stoned | does anyone know of any OSS drivers that can run on X1900 XT/X ATI videocard, r580chipset I think |
| 14:49.20 | stoned | ati won't |
| 14:49.24 | asg | stoned: vesa? |
| 14:49.28 | stoned | meh |
| 14:49.49 | itchi | stoned: At 16 depth of color :-s |
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| 14:49.51 | stoned | fuck it, i'll get fglrx again |
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| 14:50.08 | liable | wont work for 7.2 |
| 14:50.22 | liable | theres no open source drivers for it |
| 14:50.49 | stoned | 7.2? |
| 14:50.56 | liable | xorg in sid |
| 14:51.05 | stoned | yeh i figured as much i didn't see anything |
| 14:51.13 | stoned | its a relatively *new* card |
| 14:51.19 | Ahmadinejad | redduck676: |
| 14:51.23 | Ahmadinejad | do i need to reboot? |
| 14:51.24 | stoned | or was a few months ago |
| 14:51.33 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: not unless you need to load a new kernel |
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| 14:51.38 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 14:51.47 | Ahmadinejad | but it still dosnt work then:( |
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| 14:53.21 | coldsteal | what should i use for an ftp server? |
| 14:53.35 | abrotman | vsftpd |
| 14:53.55 | coldsteal | why vs? whey no pro |
| 14:54.06 | coldsteal | *why not |
| 14:54.12 | stoned | very small/secure ftpd |
| 14:54.15 | stoned | its great |
| 14:54.16 | asg | coldsteal: vsftpd is more secure and minimal. If you have to use FTP, it's generally the best way to go. |
| 14:54.20 | hark | !vsftpd |
| 14:54.20 | dpkg | hmm... vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 14:54.48 | stoned | yeh, if openbsd uses you know its secure |
| 14:54.50 | stoned | at leat |
| 14:54.54 | stoned | i loved obsd |
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| 14:55.00 | stoned | until i found debian |
| 14:55.03 | stoned | muahahaha |
| 14:55.05 | coldsteal | lol okay |
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| 14:56.29 | simonrvn | psst: i'm sorry, didn't mean to highlight you |
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| 14:56.44 | psst | simonrvn: oh ok |
| 14:56.45 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 14:57.03 | x3n0 | how can i get fglrx installed and configured with 2.6.19? |
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| 14:57.30 | simonrvn | i'm 'reduced' to building my own cyrus-imap ;p |
| 14:57.30 | markit | I've installed LVM, how can I tell the names of the phisical devices I have? fstab uses LVM names.. would like to know if I have sda or sdb or whatever |
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| 14:58.23 | zu22 | simonrvn: pop3 is not good enough? |
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| 14:59.04 | simonrvn | pop3 is ok for some stuff, but i like imap... cyrus-imap does pop3, too |
| 14:59.04 | stoned | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module requirement mismatch, 0) <-- never encountered this error before |
| 14:59.11 | stoned | what could cause this error message? |
| 14:59.22 | simonrvn | check dmesg |
| 14:59.23 | abrotman | ask #ati |
| 14:59.31 | asg | use supported kit |
| 14:59.36 | zu22 | simonrvn: which mail client you use? i used imap years ago when it first came out @ CMU |
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| 15:00.13 | simonrvn | depends. anything from mutt to kmail, passing through thunderbird/icedove |
| 15:00.15 | cusco | x3n0: I think you only need to install the fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src xserver-xorg-video-ati packages |
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| 15:00.26 | cusco | x3n0: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:00.35 | cusco | and choose fglrx as the driver |
| 15:00.41 | fsteves | After I did a dist-upgrade, in my shell (remote) my hostname is echo'd over every command |
| 15:00.44 | zu22 | simronrvn: you run the gambit :) |
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| 15:01.19 | cusco | fsteves: try and run: reset |
| 15:01.43 | fsteves | still doing it |
| 15:01.44 | stoned | simonrvn: nothing in dmesg |
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| 15:01.55 | stoned | module was just compiled and probed |
| 15:01.59 | stoned | then the error |
| 15:02.06 | roland_ | how do i clean orphan dependencies/packages |
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| 15:02.11 | fsteves | glass \n glass:~# (where \n is a newline) |
| 15:02.16 | stoned | deborphan |
| 15:02.20 | stoned | i suppose |
| 15:02.23 | tarzeau | roland_: apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 15:02.23 | cusco | !tell roland_ about deborphan |
| 15:02.26 | Enverex | What's the word on "Multiarch" these days? |
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| 15:02.49 | simonrvn | holy smokes, i misread --purge as --purple |
| 15:02.56 | liable | stoned: i told you. fglrx doesnt support 7.2 |
| 15:03.18 | zu22 | simonrvn: my first mail client was mail then pine now i use evolution or web mail (gmail), but i wish to try mutt and fetchmail |
| 15:03.20 | HostilePenguin | fglrx and xorg 7.2? |
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| 15:03.26 | simonrvn | missing some stuff... i downgraded to start x this morning |
| 15:03.26 | liable | yes |
| 15:03.47 | simonrvn | same for nvidia |
| 15:03.54 | zu22 | tarzeau: greetings |
| 15:03.55 | liable | weird naming convention |
| 15:03.58 | tarzeau | hey zu22 |
| 15:04.28 | stoned | [R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 1.3.0.0, required X.org 7.1.0.0 |
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| 15:04.37 | stoned | 1.3? |
| 15:04.37 | Enverex | lol |
| 15:04.40 | stoned | what the shit? |
| 15:04.50 | simonrvn | zu22: i've used a few more, like pine, mail, evolution.. evo. has too much overhead for what it does |
| 15:04.52 | liable | up |
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| 15:05.02 | stoned | liable: I read what you said |
| 15:05.14 | stoned | liable: what the hell is xorg 1.3 |
| 15:05.14 | stoned | ? |
| 15:05.17 | HostilePenguin | how do you check x version? |
| 15:05.21 | asg | HostilePenguin: X --version |
| 15:05.26 | liable | stoned: downgrade -core |
| 15:05.26 | simonrvn | X -version |
| 15:05.34 | zu22 | simonrvn: yeah it takes a while to load and eats up a lot memory, i mostly just use my gmail account for mail these days |
| 15:05.40 | Enverex | !tell Enverex multiarch |
| 15:05.47 | zu22 | simonrvn: but if i get broadband i want run my own mail server for fun |
| 15:05.48 | stoned | liable: whats that? |
| 15:05.52 | simonrvn | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool xorg-server |
| 15:05.53 | Enverex | !tell me multiarch |
| 15:05.54 | simonrvn | deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool xorg-server |
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| 15:06.06 | Enverex | !multiarch |
| 15:06.06 | dpkg | i guess multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 15:06.09 | simonrvn | downgrade ^^^ |
| 15:06.12 | fsteves | Nothing seems too out of place |
| 15:06.21 | fsteves | $PS1 = \h:\w\$ |
| 15:06.27 | stoned | i know what downgrade is, what is -core? |
| 15:06.29 | fsteves | /etc/profile looks fine |
| 15:06.34 | simonrvn | zu22: same |
| 15:06.35 | redduck676 | fsteves: quote it! |
| 15:06.38 | HostilePenguin | last update hit my fps in my games |
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| 15:06.44 | simonrvn | xserver-xorg-core |
| 15:06.46 | redduck676 | stoned: probably xserver-xorg-core |
| 15:06.48 | stoned | oh |
| 15:06.51 | stoned | doh |
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| 15:07.05 | hark | zu22: ping6 ip to ping those ips |
| 15:07.08 | simonrvn | !spank stoned |
| 15:07.15 | stoned | kinky |
| 15:07.48 | mode2 | ello all |
| 15:07.48 | zu22 | hark: oh cool thanks :) |
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| 15:07.58 | Enverex | Epiphany seems to be my default browser even though Gnome preferred apps is set to Iceweasel. Any ideas why it's doing that? |
| 15:08.03 | zu22 | hark: good memory |
| 15:08.16 | hark | heh ;) |
| 15:08.26 | simonrvn | fsteves: tried the reset yet? |
| 15:08.27 | roland_ | is zimbra suite a good chooise for a email platform ? |
| 15:09.32 | fsteves | simonrvn: Ya, I reset my hostname with /bin/hostname -F and it corrected the issue |
| 15:09.38 | stoned | but what I want to know is this |
| 15:09.40 | bartw | where can i find the contrib and non-free of lenny ? |
| 15:09.43 | fsteves | was kinda weird |
| 15:09.48 | stoned | detected X.org 1.3.0.0, required X.org 7.1.0.0 |
| 15:09.53 | cusco | Enverex: try installing firefox-gnome-support |
| 15:09.53 | stoned | what the fuck is xorg 1.3? |
| 15:09.59 | stoned | im confused |
| 15:10.00 | HostilePenguin | 1989 |
| 15:10.04 | HostilePenguin | i wish |
| 15:10.07 | gravity | The x server version is 1.3.0.0 |
| 15:10.11 | realniko | how to know wich is the reference of the IR device ? |
| 15:10.12 | simonrvn | bartw: add 'contrib non-free' to your sources |
| 15:10.14 | stoned | oh |
| 15:10.17 | gravity | It's something between Xorg 7.2 and 7.3 |
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| 15:10.22 | stoned | gravity is here cool |
| 15:10.29 | gravity | The whole "Xorg version number" thing is horribly broken in reality |
| 15:10.35 | bartw | simonrvn: apt complains when i do that |
| 15:10.40 | stoned | gravity: i need to get 7.1 on sid from snapshot I think now? |
| 15:10.46 | stoned | gravity: for fglrx? |
| 15:10.56 | simonrvn | you're supposed to update afterwards... man apt-get; man aptitude |
| 15:11.08 | Enverex | cumato, Iceweasel-gnome-support is already installed |
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| 15:11.10 | stoned | ati/radeo won't work on this card |
| 15:11.12 | gravity | stoned: I don't know what to do with fglrx. I think it just needs an update. You probably want what's in etch to get it working |
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| 15:11.22 | roland_ | can anyone help me choose a good email platform (imap/mda/webmail) |
| 15:11.28 | roland_ | and simple administration |
| 15:11.30 | Enverex | nvu isn't in apt!! |
| 15:11.43 | cusco | Enverex: how are you opening a link that uses epiphany ? |
| 15:11.43 | HostilePenguin | what card do you have stoned? |
| 15:11.46 | stoned | i know downgrade from sid/testing to stable in days of sarge was not possible, is it possilbe to go from sid to etch now? |
| 15:11.47 | liable | gravity: apparently fedora has the same problem |
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| 15:11.55 | Enverex | cumato, From XChat |
| 15:12.00 | gravity | liable: It's an fglrx problem |
| 15:12.08 | liable | gravity: yes i read the bugs |
| 15:12.08 | hark | nvu has been dead for quite some time |
| 15:12.12 | stoned | gravity: i regret buying this card :( |
| 15:12.18 | gravity | liable: They can't do anything more about it. The Fedora Xorg maintainer hates fglrx more than I ever will |
| 15:12.20 | cumato | Enverex: ? |
| 15:12.28 | hark | liable: it supports 7.2 per the release notes |
| 15:12.35 | cusco | Enverex: I think you can tell in xchat preferences yhe browser to use when opening a url |
| 15:12.47 | liable | hark: but its gets its version from the wrong place apparently |
| 15:12.47 | gravity | hark: The server in unstable is beyond 7.2 |
| 15:12.56 | Enverex | cusco, You can override it, but by default it's supposed to use the default browser... |
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| 15:13.06 | stoned | !downgrade |
| 15:13.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:13.19 | hark | yeah, just mentioning it |
| 15:13.24 | rittyan | Hi, is there a way to integrate gnash with iceweasel? I've installed mozilla plugin for gnash but iceweasel doesn't see it |
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| 15:16.00 | HostilePenguin | i have the fglrx 8.28.8-4 i want the newer ones but im afraid to break stuff |
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| 15:16.04 | stoned | should i get xorg 7.1 fromsnapshots or etch |
| 15:16.04 | stoned | ? |
| 15:16.10 | gravity | stoned: Etch |
| 15:16.12 | stoned | ok |
| 15:16.20 | stoned | gravity: pinning or manually dl? |
| 15:16.26 | gravity | stoned: It's up to you |
| 15:16.29 | stoned | oh word |
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| 15:16.35 | T0lkman | why i should use debian instead ubuntu? any arguments? two enough.. |
| 15:16.47 | asg | T0lkman: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 15:17.14 | T0lkman | ok |
| 15:17.26 | liable | stoned: just downgrade your xorg-core package |
| 15:17.42 | plb | where can i find info on backports for etch...backports.org doesn't seem like it's been updated in a while? |
| 15:18.06 | stoned | xserver-xorg-core 2:1.1.1-21 |
| 15:18.08 | stoned | this is in etch |
| 15:18.10 | stoned | ok |
| 15:18.26 | stoned | liable: thanks |
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| 15:18.28 | simonrvn | that's what i downgraded to |
| 15:18.36 | liable | stoned: 1.1.1-21 |
| 15:18.47 | hark | plb: change sarge to etch in the nackports sources line and see |
| 15:18.59 | metrix | when I try to run apt-get update I get the following error: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 15:19.09 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 15:19.14 | plb | thanks |
| 15:19.29 | mrBiG | I can mount ntfs partition using ntfs-3g, but when I delete a file (need to recopy it to boot into Window), it shows an error: " rm cannot remove `ntoskrnl.exe' : Input/Output error" . Any idea? |
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| 15:20.25 | moneytea | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.31 | metrix | when I try to run apt-get update I get the following error: "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:" |
| 15:20.38 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 15:20.43 | simonrvn | metrix: |
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| 15:21.03 | metrix | yes? |
| 15:21.07 | simonrvn | metrix: |
| 15:21.09 | simonrvn | /topic |
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| 15:21.29 | metrix | ahh.. ok |
| 15:21.30 | metrix | thank you |
| 15:21.37 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 15:22.24 | Octopus | Does anyone know where/how I can set my dhcpd to automatically bind to eth0 instead of all (now displaying: 3433 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q |
| 15:22.40 | Gmoliv | wols, everything working now :) |
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| 15:23.15 | hark | mrBiG: try #ntfs |
| 15:23.34 | mrBiG | hark: what do you mean? |
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| 15:23.41 | mrBiG | try ntfs instead of ntfs-3g? |
| 15:23.52 | simonrvn | it's a channel name... |
| 15:23.53 | hark | mrBiG: /j #ntfs |
| 15:23.59 | mrBiG | ah okie |
| 15:24.40 | dutchfish | hi, i am trying to build kpackage 2.6.20-3 on etch, it quits on In function `clocksource_watchdog' clocksource.c:(.text+0x1cc43): undefined reference to `tick_clock_notify', anyone able to help me out? |
| 15:24.56 | hark | mrBiG: running sid, right? |
| 15:25.01 | stew | dutchfish: backports.org has 2.6.20 built for etch |
| 15:25.01 | mrBiG | yes |
| 15:25.24 | dutchfish | stew, source-pkg for etch? |
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| 15:26.06 | dutchfish | stew, i am trying to build a RT kernel |
| 15:26.15 | stew | dutchfish: source, binary, headers, kbuild... |
| 15:26.28 | dutchfish | stew, cool, i delve into that, thx |
| 15:26.37 | stew | dutchfish: but if you are going to bulid anyway, it doesn't matter which -source package you use, they should be the same |
| 15:26.49 | stew | dutchfish: i was just going to offer that up if you'd rather skip compiling |
| 15:26.50 | dutchfish | stew, vanilla? |
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| 15:27.37 | stew | dutchfish: no, its the same as the sid -source package, nevermind, if you are definately wanting to compile you can ignore me |
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| 15:28.36 | dutchfish | stew, i am not defeitive about self compiling, but i dont think someone has already build a RTK for i686 |
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| 15:28.58 | stew | dutchfish: i don't know of any |
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| 15:29.16 | stew | (i wish there were) |
| 15:29.31 | dutchfish | stew, ok, i will try with src package from backports |
| 15:29.42 | stew | dutchfish: don't bother, they are the same as what you have, probably |
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| 15:30.03 | dutchfish | stew, i used vanilla and patched with a redhat config |
| 15:30.45 | dutchfish | stew, like this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=13123 |
| 15:30.46 | pivot | dutchfish quizo decir 'forums.debian.netsforums.debian.nettforums.debian.neteforums.debian.netwforums.debian.net,forums.debian.net forums.debian.netiforums.debian.net forums.debian.netuforums.debian.netsforums.debian.neteforums.debian.netdforums.debian.net forums.debian.netvforums.debian.netaforums.debian.netnforums.debian.netiforums.debian.netlforums.debian.netlforums.debian.netaforums.debian.net forums.debian.netaforums.debian.netnforums.debi |
| 15:30.57 | liable | yikes |
| 15:31.25 | dutchfish | ? |
| 15:31.30 | simonrvn | witf |
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| 15:32.28 | FirstLite | After upgrading to etch, my Inspiron 2500 randomly powers off unless I do acpi=off at boot. Nothing in the syslog. Any ideas? |
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| 15:33.00 | dutchfish | FirstLite, wich kernel (2.6.18-4)? |
| 15:33.09 | liable | FirstLite: check acpid.log |
| 15:33.09 | FirstLite | dutchfish: yeah |
| 15:33.21 | HostilePenguin | october 23 kde 4 is scheduled to be released i wonder how close thell be? |
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| 15:33.22 | dutchfish | FirstLite, i have same problem on my 1850 |
| 15:33.45 | liable | something is telling acpid that theres something wrong i guess |
| 15:33.47 | FirstLite | liable: ok, will do |
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| 15:33.50 | dutchfish | FirstLite, i solved it tho |
| 15:33.55 | liable | i guess battery state or something |
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| 15:34.03 | FirstLite | dutchfish: how |
| 15:34.10 | dutchfish | FirstLite, recompiled 2.6.18-4 with DELL quircks enabled |
| 15:34.16 | roland_ | replacing libstdc++ 6 with libstdc++ 5 , i need to do this to install a program , this wont affect my system ? |
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| 15:34.27 | visik7 | hi guis |
| 15:34.43 | FirstLite | dutchfish: OK, I'll try that, thanks. How old is your 1850? |
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| 15:34.51 | dutchfish | FirstLite, 4 years |
| 15:35.13 | dutchfish | FirstLite, still trying to buy some, but hard to get these days |
| 15:35.16 | visik7 | is there a gui for ifupdown and /etc/network/interfaces that support mapping, wireless, wireless-wpa and all the flavour of interfaces(5) ? |
| 15:35.16 | pivot | visik7 quizo decir 'hi guis'. |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | pivot: are you broken ? |
| 15:35.42 | dererk | lol |
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| 15:35.48 | FirstLite | dutchfish: Yeah, I think this may be my last upgrade. Too many hw support regressions... thanks |
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| 15:35.48 | simonrvn | pivot is a borked bot |
| 15:35.50 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:36.02 | roland_ | hi |
| 15:36.02 | abrotman | yeah .. thought so :) |
| 15:36.07 | dutchfish | FirstLite, good luck |
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| 15:36.24 | FirstLite | dutchfish: Thanks |
| 15:36.29 | dutchfish | FirstLite, another tip |
| 15:36.38 | roland_ | replacing libstdc++ 6 with libstdc++ 5 , i need to do this to install a program , this wont affect my system ? |
| 15:36.43 | FirstLite | dutchfish: yes? |
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| 15:37.02 | dutchfish | FirstLite, if you have trouble with eth0 starting slow sometimes it faults on udev in the DELLs |
| 15:37.36 | FirstLite | dutchfish: not sure I understand... |
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| 15:37.42 | dutchfish | FirstLite, just reconfig udev and you will be good |
| 15:37.59 | dererk | needs to be tunned :) |
| 15:38.51 | FirstLite | dutchfish: ok, you mean just dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 15:38.52 | dutchfish | FirstLite, out of my mind i believe yes |
| 15:38.52 | FirstLite | dutchfish: ok, thanks. Not sure if I've seen that problem, but I'll keep it in mind. |
| 15:38.52 | melodos | hi everyone.. im having a small bug with my touchpad on an hp pavilion, is there any patch for it? gracias amigos |
| 15:39.00 | dutchfish | FirstLite, i rem something about a file that i deleted that will be reconstructed on next boot by udev |
| 15:39.00 | roland_ | replacing libstdc++ 6 with libstdc++ 5 , i need to do this to install a program , this wont affect my system ? |
| 15:39.27 | dutchfish | FirstLite, its because udev fxcks up on install at a DELLs server sometimes |
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| 15:39.41 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 15:40.04 | dererk | hi |
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| 15:40.08 | simonrvn | dutchfish: i believe the idiom you wanted is 'off the tops of my head', not 'out of my mind' |
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| 15:40.17 | simonrvn | dutchfish: er, top* |
| 15:40.24 | dutchfish | simonrvn, yes thanks |
| 15:40.30 | simonrvn | np |
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| 15:41.01 | simonrvn | roland_: a) it's not a program b) they can be simultaneously installed |
| 15:41.05 | FirstLite | dutchfish: OK, I guess my install doesn't seem to have this problem now. But thanks |
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| 15:41.32 | simonrvn | dutchfish: it's ok, i had / have to learn them too hehe |
| 15:41.32 | karmatronic | that s weird , i have nvidia driver and glx module enabled but nvidia setting says direct rendering is not active ... |
| 15:41.40 | roland_ | simonrvn: i know its not a program , its the gnu c++ library, but i need to replace the newer one with the older one in order to get a program (axigen mail server) to work |
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| 15:42.07 | simonrvn | oh good, you do know, nice |
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| 15:43.00 | dutchfish | stew, apart from alot of warnings, the source-pkg from backports did create my shining new 2.6.20-3 RTM kernel :) |
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| 15:43.10 | roland_ | so its ok to replace 6 with 5 libstdc++ ? |
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| 15:43.22 | roland_ | like downgrade |
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| 15:43.54 | hark | karmatronic: check the Xorg log or glxinfo with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose is helpful too |
| 15:44.26 | roland_ | -_- |
| 15:44.31 | roland_ | ok i wont install axigen |
| 15:44.55 | FirstLite | liable: There's nothing in my /var/log/acpid near the time of any poweroffs. But thanks |
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| 15:44.59 | HostilePenguin | karmatronic did you edit your xorg config ? |
| 15:45.03 | liable | roland_: just try and downgrade, dpkgs verbosity is a good pointer on what might break |
| 15:45.23 | roland_ | well i will apt-get remove libstdc++5 first |
| 15:45.25 | karmatronic | well i was about to edit it to enable beryl |
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| 15:45.32 | roland_ | errr 6 |
| 15:45.36 | karmatronic | and then i saw direct rendreing wasnt active |
| 15:45.37 | acydlord | ahoy |
| 15:45.41 | karmatronic | when it used to .... |
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| 15:46.05 | acydlord | anyone know how to get gtwitter working in etch? |
| 15:46.14 | HostilePenguin | there are some things in xorg that need to be added to enable dri |
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| 15:46.34 | karmatronic | yeah but a default xorg.conf should have those |
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| 15:47.12 | roland_ | anyone has had experience with installing axigen commerical email server ? |
| 15:47.25 | roland_ | i cant remove libstdc++5 , apps depend on it |
| 15:47.57 | roland_ | i just wont install it, if it cant use the newer library |
| 15:48.01 | ma3x | hey jelly-home are you there? |
| 15:48.14 | karmatronic | hark: checking the xorg log proved to be useful , glx fails to initialize , lets compile the nvidia module... |
| 15:48.42 | talisker | I wrote them again highercase, what the problem? |
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| 15:49.09 | talisker | http://pastebin.ca/452851 <---- PLZ |
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| 15:50.40 | cahoot | uppercase? |
| 15:50.43 | liable | !moo |
| 15:50.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:50.46 | vn | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professionnel - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 5days 12hrs 43mins 59secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ at 2210MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 1074/2046.48MB (52.49%) [|||||-----] hdd: 3 C:\ 41.92GB/195.31GB Free V:\ 35.36GB/37.57GB Free Z:\ 97.92GB/232.88GB Free net: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Miniport d'ordonnancement de paquets |
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| 15:50.58 | abrotman | vn: please turn that off |
| 15:51.03 | liable | wtf |
| 15:51.09 | markit | yes, seems a UPPERCASE problem for sure, reading the message ;) |
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| 15:51.31 | krazykit | acydlord, you should be able to build it fine. it didn't work well when i tested it a few weeks ago though. |
| 15:51.32 | liable | vn: who owns you? |
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| 15:51.33 | enouf | roland_: I seem to have both libstdc++5 and libstdc++6 here, and the -dev pkgs |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | liable: vn isn't a bot .. just a tard :) |
| 15:51.48 | liable | hah |
| 15:51.54 | markit | talisker: I've no idea, sorry |
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| 15:52.32 | enouf | roland_: however update-alternatives --list c++ |
| 15:52.34 | enouf | /usr/bin/g++ |
| 15:52.55 | enouf | so i don't see many choices there .. only g++ |
| 15:53.24 | acydlord | i used the netinstall to install debian |
| 15:53.38 | acydlord | i keep getting an error trying to build gtwitter |
| 15:53.50 | krazykit | acydlord, and the error is...? |
| 15:53.55 | HostilePenguin | i have an overclocked p2 with 92 meg of ram up longer than that |
| 15:53.58 | cyzie | is there a nice GUI tail program other than from the one offer from gdesklets? |
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| 15:54.08 | ma3x | how do I set iceweasel as default browser ? |
| 15:54.20 | ma3x | kde opens everything through konq |
| 15:54.22 | roland_ | enouf: how do i install libstdc++5 |
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| 15:54.37 | enouf | roland_: what do you have now? |
| 15:54.38 | liable | ma3x: update-altenatives --config x-www-browser |
| 15:54.38 | cyzie | ma3x, use update-alternatives |
| 15:54.42 | enouf | roland_: dpkg -l libstdc++* | grep ^.i |
| 15:54.47 | roland_ | lets see |
| 15:55.07 | karmatronic | hark: ok direct rendering is back thanks for the little help from my friend |
| 15:55.11 | roland_ | enouf: ii libstdc++6 4.1.1-21 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 |
| 15:55.11 | roland_ | ii libstdc++6-4.1-dev 4.1.1-21 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (de |
| 15:55.30 | acydlord | it's giving me an error on mainwindow.cs |
| 15:55.43 | acydlord | statusicon could not be found |
| 15:56.03 | hark | karmatronic: heh, great :) |
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| 15:56.18 | abrotman | isn't that .net stuff ? |
| 15:56.35 | liable | shame on you for knowing |
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| 15:56.43 | enouf | ma3x: also if no go, open kcontrol >> component choose and select it from the drop-down menu under default browser |
| 15:56.57 | karmatronic | hark: now time for the beryl s thing |
| 15:57.08 | enouf | roland_: hrm .. i must have 5 from earlier times ;-) |
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| 15:57.26 | roland_ | enouf: ok nvm |
| 15:57.28 | roland_ | thnaks |
| 15:57.30 | hark | acydlord: well, pastebin the error if anything at least |
| 15:57.31 | krazykit | acydlord, do you have the gtk2 -dev headers, the full mono development stuff (mono and gtk-sharp), and cairo -dev headers installed? |
| 15:57.38 | enouf | roland_: you need it to build? |
| 15:57.39 | streuner | liable: don't judge too hard, some people _HAVE_ to work with |
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| 15:57.49 | roland_ | enouf: to install its .deb |
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| 15:57.51 | acydlord | i think i do |
| 15:57.52 | enouf | roland_: you could i suppose get the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 15:57.56 | mobius | I am running BackTrack 2, and my wireless internet keeps getting dropped. It's a secured connection, and after I browse around the internet a while, I get dropped and am unable to reconnect. Sometimes I have to use WiCrawl to get the Wireless Assistant to establish the connection. But even then, after a while, I am unable to reconnect to it until the next day. I have the proper WEP key, my wireless card works, I can see the network... I am just unable to c |
| 15:58.05 | acydlord | i'll recheck the mono site to make sure |
| 15:58.18 | liable | WTF IS BACKTRACK? |
| 15:58.19 | hark | mono's pretty much now a part of gnome |
| 15:58.20 | krazykit | acydlord, just check apt to see if you have mono + the dev headers and stuff |
| 15:58.24 | liable | oops |
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| 15:58.30 | karmatronic | liable: security live cd |
| 15:58.31 | perlm | Q: What command do I use to take a screenshot, when in the terminal? |
| 15:58.32 | redduck676 | liable: talking about regex? |
| 15:58.35 | acydlord | i have mono and mono -dev |
| 15:58.41 | enouf | roland_: you need libstdc++5 to install it's owm .deb? |
| 15:58.53 | roland_ | enouf: yes, its dumb |
| 15:59.01 | liable | redduck676: eh? |
| 15:59.02 | krazykit | acydlord, gtk-sharp and gtk-sharp -dev? |
| 15:59.08 | h3sp4wn | Is there a non hacky way to change iceweasel to use google.co.uk instead of google.com (I would presume installing iceweasel-l10n-en-gb should take care of this) I know I can just hack /usr/share/iceweasel/searchplugins/google.xml but wondered if there was a nicer way |
| 15:59.10 | redduck676 | liable: i'll take that as no :-) |
| 15:59.30 | liable | redduck676: you win a cigar :) |
| 15:59.31 | acydlord | believe so |
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| 15:59.46 | stoned | hey |
| 15:59.49 | enouf | roland_: you realize it points to g++ .. perhaps look for output of apt-cache depends libstdc++5 |
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| 16:00.03 | liable | karmatronic: why are you asking here? |
| 16:00.05 | stoned | liable: gravity: THANKS!!. Downgradin xorg core did the trick |
| 16:00.10 | enouf | redduck676: yo yo ma ;-) |
| 16:00.13 | gravity | stoned: Cool |
| 16:00.23 | stoned | i seriously need to sell this ati crap and buy another nvidia |
| 16:00.25 | roland_ | libstdc++5 |
| 16:00.25 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.25 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.25 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.31 | karmatronic | liable: i m not asking anything buddy |
| 16:00.47 | karmatronic | karmatronic: just answering your question ... |
| 16:00.52 | stoned | i also talked to my isp, gonna get 7mbit down internet free for 6 months |
| 16:01.01 | enouf | roland_: and now use apt-cache show libstdc++5 to look for "conflicts" |
| 16:01.10 | roland_ | ok |
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| 16:01.13 | acydlord | i'm way too sleepy, perhaps i should try this after i wake up and am more fresh lol |
| 16:01.45 | ma3x | thanks |
| 16:01.46 | liable | karmatronic: ok |
| 16:01.48 | enouf | gravity: do you happen to know how to tell X to pass keypresses offhand from the CLI ?(bash) |
| 16:01.49 | roland_ | enouf: no conflicts listed anywhere |
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| 16:02.24 | enouf | roland_: and what errors do you get if you apt-get install libstdc++5 ? |
| 16:02.24 | gravity | enouf: No |
| 16:02.34 | enouf | gravity: ok .. thanks ;-P |
| 16:02.35 | XLV | anyonre knows any easy script to set up a simple iptables firewall for debian4? |
| 16:02.50 | liable | XLV: shorewall |
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| 16:03.19 | enouf | liable: ever make those slices on the rafter tails? |
| 16:03.38 | roland_ | enouf: something obviously saying i need to instal gcc-3.3 before installing that, but im too dumb |
| 16:03.41 | roland_ | to see |
| 16:03.50 | roland_ | so thanks for help |
| 16:04.10 | enouf | roland_: ok |
| 16:04.17 | simonrvn | enouf: i echo stuff via the ttys |
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| 16:04.42 | enouf | simonrvn: like echo 0x315 > /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 16:05.10 | roland_ | i will have both gcc-3.3 and gcc-4.1 installed |
| 16:05.11 | simonrvn | echo "foo bar" > /dev/xtrermsTTY |
| 16:05.18 | simonrvn | xterm* |
| 16:05.19 | roland_ | thats not bad right? |
| 16:05.35 | simonrvn | no, it isn't... and i told you this 10 minutes ago |
| 16:05.43 | liable | enouf: yep, thanks. handsaw and chisel. its not perfect, but i think it turned out ok considering |
| 16:05.51 | simonrvn | simonrvn> roland_: a) it's not a program b) they can be simultaneously installed |
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| 16:06.14 | enouf | liable: sweet .. ;-) |
| 16:06.16 | simonrvn | actually, 20 minutes |
| 16:06.24 | XLV | another quick question: to setup debain 4 for server use (without any X or DEs ) in the installer i should just deselect desktop environment selection? |
| 16:06.35 | roland_ | ohh, for a unknown reason i read it couldnt be simultaneously isntalled hehe |
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| 16:06.50 | karmatronic | XLV: right |
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| 16:07.39 | enouf | roland_: i don't know if you'll have ABI issues (or linker issues) building aganst older stuff though ..whatever |
| 16:08.02 | enouf | I know just about nothing anyways ;-P |
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| 16:08.47 | simonrvn | depends on symlinks iirc |
| 16:09.50 | enouf | simonrvn: as in update-alternatives --list c++ |
| 16:10.12 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:10.17 | enouf | and subsequent update-alternatives --config c++ , then choose/select |
| 16:10.24 | simonrvn | they don't exist |
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| 16:12.18 | Kinks | Opera won't launch for some unknown reason, here is what the terminal shows |
| 16:12.20 | enouf | ls -al /usr/bin/c++ |
| 16:12.20 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2006-05-01 05:04 /usr/bin/c++ -> /etc/alternatives/c++ |
| 16:12.20 | Kinks | joseph@Linda:~$ opera |
| 16:12.21 | Kinks | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 16:12.21 | Kinks | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 16:12.21 | Kinks | X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 |
| 16:12.21 | Kinks | Major opcode: 144 |
| 16:12.21 | Kinks | Minor opcode: 3 |
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| 16:12.47 | feNNec_ | hello, what can I do if dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't work ? |
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| 16:12.51 | enouf | ls -al /etc/alternatives/c++ |
| 16:12.51 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-04-06 10:51 /etc/alternatives/c++ -> /usr/bin/g++ |
| 16:13.13 | redduck676 | feNNec_: define ''doesn't work''? |
| 16:13.27 | Gmoliv | feNNec_, are you as root? |
| 16:14.05 | feNNec_ | Doesn't work means that after setup, the server doesn't respons well |
| 16:14.18 | Gmoliv | ah ok |
| 16:14.19 | feNNec_ | (yes,I'm root) |
| 16:14.25 | Gmoliv | so forget about the root thing |
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| 16:15.48 | vin` | feNNec_: does X start? |
| 16:15.59 | redduck676 | feNNec_: you can try X -configure/-config, and posting the log is the first thing you should do when asking for help. |
| 16:16.08 | osirisx11 | how do i upgrade to a processor specific kernel? |
| 16:16.20 | feNNec_ | Gmoliv, redduck676, I'm using a live CD and It's OK but once installed on HD, X doesn't start |
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| 16:16.44 | redduck676 | feNNec_: post /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:17.03 | osirisx11 | i have an amd processor, isn't there an amd specific kernel i can get? |
| 16:17.09 | vin` | feNNec_: which live CD? |
| 16:17.18 | redduck676 | osirisx11: which amd? |
| 16:17.28 | osirisx11 | sempron mobile |
| 16:17.34 | redduck676 | osirisx11: AFAIK no. |
| 16:17.35 | feNNec_ | redduck676, ok I will try but the machine I'm working on isn't connected |
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| 16:17.59 | osirisx11 | ty redduck676 |
| 16:18.01 | redduck676 | feNNec_: you can try examing that file by yourself and trying to fix the error. |
| 16:18.19 | feNNec_ | redduck676, Ok thks |
| 16:18.42 | enouf | feNNec_: specifically grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:19.10 | feNNec_ | Ok I'll come back |
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| 16:19.41 | Talisker | OK, I have a more elegant solution for now |
| 16:20.08 | Talisker | I've connected to my machine using SSH to talk to you, while I try to fix the English on the VNC I also have connected |
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| 16:21.30 | Talisker | The problem is I can't toggle between languages because the client won't pass my toggle key, and I need to find a command I can issue to switch languages/emulate my toggle key |
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| 16:23.05 | Talisker | Is there any virtual online keyboard software in the apt repository? I could install it and use it to switch languages |
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| 16:24.26 | frankr | How can I play .rmvb files with VLC or mplayer? |
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| 16:24.57 | enouf | real-media-video-babcock? |
| 16:25.05 | valdyn | frankr: what does 'file this.rmvb' say? |
| 16:25.10 | enouf | ahh vorbis perhaps |
| 16:25.24 | feNNec_ | enouf, redduck676, Gmoliv, In logfile, I have a Warning : i810(0): Bad V_BIOS cheksum ? |
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| 16:26.01 | enouf | feNNec_: thats a warning .. no worry (hopefully), though it's ugly |
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| 16:26.35 | enouf | feNNec_: been playing with binary blobs? |
| 16:27.05 | feNNec_ | enouf, blobs ??? |
| 16:27.06 | frankr | CSI [03-07] Fight Night.rmvb: RealMedia file |
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| 16:27.30 | enouf | feNNec_: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:27.36 | valdyn | !w32codecs |
| 16:27.36 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 16:28.10 | Gmoliv | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:28.10 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 16:28.25 | Gmoliv | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 16:28.25 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 16:28.27 | visik7 | !acpi |
| 16:28.27 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 16:28.30 | feNNec_ | enouf, I will try to save the file on flash, and post it |
| 16:28.37 | tarzeau | there's 200 mb fonts in /usr/share/texmf-texlive/fonts/ are they available to all software that can use it? like /usr/share/fonts ? |
| 16:28.46 | enouf | feNNec_: there should be 2-5 lines maybe |
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| 16:29.18 | chance2105 | Every time I reboot my machine, my main ethernet controller gets a new eth number (eg, it increments.. eth6, eth7, eth8..). Is there a way to specify that explicitly, so it doesn't change? |
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| 16:29.35 | redduck676 | chance2105: iftab? |
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| 16:29.48 | redduck676 | or simply don't reboot? |
| 16:29.52 | feNNec_ | enouf, 1 line only : (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 16:30.01 | frankr | uhh I already ahve the debian-multimedia apt repo added to my sources.list but no w32codecs package |
| 16:30.05 | frankr | maybe b/c I'm amd64? |
| 16:30.28 | xand | frankr: yeah, don't think that'll work on amd64 |
| 16:30.36 | wuwuw | Hi, my 2 network card have IRQ 11, how to change the irq of one of them |
| 16:30.36 | xand | though I may be wrong |
| 16:32.13 | chance2105 | frankr: yeah .. you have to make a 32-bit chroot and install the w32codes with whatever viewing apps there |
| 16:32.14 | valdyn | tarzeau: i suppose they already are, as seperate files, with near same looks |
| 16:32.14 | valdyn | tarzeau: tex typesetting is alot more complex than on screen fonts.. |
| 16:32.14 | frankr | alright good thing I have a sid32 chroot already for flash plaeyr |
| 16:32.14 | feNNec_ | enouf : 1 line only : (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 16:32.14 | enouf | feNNec_: looks fine then .. |
| 16:32.15 | Gmoliv | frankr, same problem here (an i'm in amd64 too) |
| 16:32.15 | wuwuw | how to change the irq of a card |
| 16:32.15 | chance2105 | redduck676: That's a great suggestion, except for a desktop machine that's nearly impossible. It's just a pain to have that "holy crap, no Internet" feeling after a reboot disagrees with my shorewall configuration |
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| 16:32.18 | chance2105 | redduck676: I reboot infrequently enough to forget it, honestly |
| 16:32.21 | peterrus | <deLTa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 16:32.30 | valdyn | tarzeau: like kerning |
| 16:32.31 | feNNec_ | enouf, then....? |
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| 16:32.42 | enouf | feNNec_: boot up, startx ? |
| 16:32.42 | xand | !tell peterrus about ops |
| 16:32.57 | peterrus | !op <deLTa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 16:32.59 | enouf | feNNec_: do you have a DE installed? gnome/Kde ? |
| 16:33.10 | redduck676 | cat: /etf/iftab: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.13 | xand | peterrus: !ops not !op |
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| 16:33.17 | redduck676 | # This file assigns persistent names to network interfaces. |
| 16:33.17 | redduck676 | # See iftab(5) for syntax. |
| 16:33.17 | redduck676 | eth0 mac 00:0d:93:27:ef:b6 arp 1 |
| 16:33.17 | redduck676 | eth1 mac 00:11:24:20:98:dc arp 1 |
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| 16:33.18 | peterrus | !ops <deLTa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 16:33.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: peterrus complains about: <deLTa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 16:33.19 | peterrus | lols |
| 16:33.30 | feNNec_ | enouf, flukbox |
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| 16:34.01 | feNNec_ | enouf, startx doesn't go |
| 16:34.06 | redduck676 | chance2105: well, have a look at man 5 iftab |
| 16:34.11 | enouf | feNNec_: and did you have it set to autiologin? |
| 16:34.11 | RichiH | 18:37:32 -!- deLTa [n=Baby22_@85.107.169.11] has quit [K-lined] |
| 16:34.15 | RichiH | peterrus: ^ |
| 16:34.29 | enouf | feNNec_: do you use kdm/xdm/gdm ? |
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| 16:34.48 | feNNec_ | enouf, the screen is grey with a cross in the middle |
| 16:34.57 | feNNec_ | enouf, using fluxbox |
| 16:34.59 | enouf | feNNec_: i know that look |
| 16:35.06 | chance2105 | redduck676: that looks like the ticket .. I don't have that file on my system, apt-cache search iftab turns up nothing .. packages.debian.org .. package names and contents doesn't turn up that file |
| 16:35.12 | enouf | feNNec_: that's the DE not fully coming up |
| 16:35.12 | streuner | peterrus: do you *HAVE* to paste that BS here again? |
| 16:35.38 | hark | feNNec_: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 16:35.46 | enouf | feNNec_: can you do this, ^^^^ that |
| 16:35.46 | feNNec_ | enouf, OK |
| 16:35.51 | chance2105 | redduck676: no man entry either |
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| 16:36.02 | enouf | hark: thanks for typing for me :-P |
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| 16:36.24 | enouf | feNNec_: boot into single mode and logon as root if necessary |
| 16:36.37 | peterrus | streuner, lol, I am trying to help xD |
| 16:36.46 | feNNec_ | enouf, give me time |
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| 16:37.02 | streuner | peterrus: sure, IP and nick plus SPAM is usually enough... |
| 16:37.13 | peterrus | streuner, :/ |
| 16:37.15 | peterrus | okay |
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| 16:37.25 | enouf | feNNec_: you won't be able to make changes from a LiveCD, unless you mkdir /mnt/point; mount /dev/hdXX /mnt/point prior |
| 16:37.32 | peterrus | so if I say streuner (ip) spam |
| 16:37.35 | peterrus | streuner gets kicked |
| 16:37.41 | peterrus | that wouldnt be fair |
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| 16:37.57 | darnell | how do i load something as a module |
| 16:37.57 | streuner | nah, every OP verify this first |
| 16:38.04 | peterrus | hmm |
| 16:38.05 | darnell | I need to load CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER |
| 16:38.05 | peterrus | okay |
| 16:38.11 | enouf | feNNec_: also try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 16:38.13 | peterrus | Then I know that for the nex time |
| 16:38.19 | redduck676 | chance2105: in that case have a look at ifrename |
| 16:38.30 | feNNec_ | enouf, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager has no alternatives |
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| 16:38.45 | enouf | and what's listed? |
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| 16:39.00 | enouf | feNNec_: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
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| 16:39.11 | hark | darnell: modprobe cdc_ether |
| 16:39.17 | enouf | feNNec_: er .. update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 16:39.29 | enouf | do both already |
| 16:39.35 | lac | can somebody tell me what package to download to get share/app/kdm/debian-moreblue |
| 16:39.41 | chance2105 | redduck676: ahh .. that's the ticket |
| 16:39.45 | chance2105 | redduck676: thanks man |
| 16:40.01 | redduck676 | lac: use apt-file? |
| 16:40.01 | feNNec_ | enouf, update-alternatives --list x-window-manager gives nothing ! |
| 16:40.11 | enouf | share? or /usr/share |
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| 16:40.59 | hark | lac: it's part of desktop-base |
| 16:40.59 | enouf | feNNec_: do update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 16:40.59 | tarzeau | was someone able to play tmw? |
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| 16:41.00 | lac | enouf: I think /usr/share and I cannot check because I am now running off my windows partition because kde won't run |
| 16:41.19 | lac | hark: thank you. |
| 16:41.21 | redduck676 | lac: desktop-base |
| 16:41.26 | feNNec_ | enouf, I did it but there is nothing : the prompt is blank |
| 16:41.30 | redduck676 | hmmm, too late |
| 16:41.43 | lac | redduck676 thank you too. |
| 16:41.50 | enouf | feNNec_: new setup? |
| 16:42.05 | hark | feNNec_: installed fluxbox ? ;) |
| 16:43.50 | fsteves | whats the debian equiv of the wheel group? |
| 16:44.01 | enouf | none |
| 16:44.03 | feNNec_ | enouf, ok but I have to check the sources.list because no fluxbox in apt-get |
| 16:44.37 | enouf | feNNec_: ok "/msg dpkg mirrors" for a full list |
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| 16:46.08 | karmatronic | my beryl shorcuts dont work at all , any idea ...? |
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| 16:46.39 | robin_sz | bah, OpenOffice in Sarge is foobarred for the database forms wizard |
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| 16:47.25 | mango | hi, I want to setup a dns server. I had a look on the internet...I could not find something simple and easy to read... could you direct me please. thanks |
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| 16:47.37 | mango | /dpkg #dns |
| 16:47.49 | troubleboy | how do i add another keyboard layout in order to switch between layouts?? |
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| 16:48.02 | karmatronic | mango: install bind |
| 16:48.14 | redduck676 | troubleboy: depends. where? some possible answers are ''xset'' and ''loadkeys'' |
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| 16:48.34 | Ben_is[away] | hello |
| 16:49.02 | troubleboy | in x only |
| 16:49.03 | mango | karmatronic: I have installed bind , but I am stugling with the configuration |
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| 16:49.27 | funky | hi |
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| 16:49.37 | fsteves | hmm, would be nice to get the whole source for the debian guide to work on it |
| 16:49.47 | funky | is there a virtual package for developing (compiling kernel etc) as ubuntu does? |
| 16:49.48 | Ben_is | for somw reason my firefox is always maximized and i don't have icons to minimize it. any suggestions to fix it? |
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| 16:50.06 | funky | one which includes gcc, libc, autotools, etc |
| 16:50.10 | ruben | Hi, when I start X, via stratx, I see lots of warning like this |
| 16:50.12 | ruben | Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 |
| 16:50.14 | ruben | any idea how to fix it?3 |
| 16:50.17 | troubleboy | redduck676: change layout for x |
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| 16:50.29 | azeem | funky: what's the package name called by Ubuntu? |
| 16:50.34 | h3sp4wn | !b-e | funky |
| 16:50.35 | dpkg | | funky: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 16:51.06 | funky | azeem: I dont remember |
| 16:51.14 | funky | h3sp4wn: ? |
| 16:51.21 | funky | h3sp4wn: ah, ok, thanks |
| 16:51.25 | redduck676 | troubleboy: i usually configure it in xorg.conf, your DE/WM might have a feature to change the layout in it tho. |
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| 16:52.54 | ruben | any idea about the warnings? |
| 16:53.11 | troubleboy | You know this is exactly why ppl arent using linux as much as windows, simple problems, tedious solutions |
| 16:53.33 | HardDisk_WP | !b-e test |
| 16:53.33 | dpkg | test: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 16:53.47 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, it seems you didnt need the | |
| 16:53.59 | xingu | you mean linux should have more simple problems and tedious solutions? |
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| 16:55.03 | rpc | i have to agree with troubleboy to some point |
| 16:55.27 | rpc | linux isn't for newbs |
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| 16:55.36 | jelly-home | troubleboy: actually no need to add layouts at all, they're all available at any time. However your GUI tool might not know that. |
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| 16:55.45 | rpc | it's a system prepared for programmers by programmers and other professionals |
| 16:55.49 | mango | how can I find my domain name using the command line please |
| 16:55.51 | abrotman_ | it's not? |
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| 16:56.01 | jelly-home | troubleboy: you can do eg. "setxkbmap us" to change to US English keyboard |
| 16:56.05 | abrotman_ | cat /etc/mailname |
| 16:56.35 | redduck676 | mango: hostname -d? |
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| 16:57.10 | redduck676 | rpc: i'm not a coder, yet i use linux, as well as some other similar unix-es. |
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| 16:57.35 | rpc | redduck676 i'm only trying to understand the point of total newbs moving from windows |
| 16:57.50 | redduck676 | rpc: from what i've seen (say ubuntu) i really can't agree that linux isn't for n00bs |
| 16:57.58 | rpc | redduck676 there are tons of wicked probs to solve, be it even something as trivial as setting up an adsl modem into linux without pain |
| 16:58.07 | h3sp4wn | If you can read you can use linux or bsd or whatever |
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| 16:58.23 | rpc | h3sp4wn i'm not having problems with linux, it's not me i'm talking about now |
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| 16:58.36 | h3sp4wn | rpc: Same applies to anyone |
| 16:58.39 | rpc | someone just said that linux isn't as easy as windows and that's the whole point |
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| 16:58.58 | h3sp4wn | I would say windows is more complicated to do properly from personal experience |
| 16:59.01 | rpc | linux will completely take over once it's idiot-proof |
| 16:59.05 | redduck676 | rpc: suse for example allows you to connect to adsl via gui thingy, most other distros provide command line utility pppoeconf that asks you could of cuestions and does the rest. |
| 16:59.16 | redduck676 | so it was pain free for me to set it up. |
| 16:59.34 | rpc | redduck676 stay here for hmm a few weeks and you will have a longish list of problems people are having |
| 16:59.40 | jelly-home | redduck676: um, D. has pppoeconf too. |
| 16:59.40 | rpc | then go to #windows and compare |
| 16:59.52 | rpc | that's my point now :) |
| 17:00.11 | rpc | just to make you sure.. i have been using debian for over 5 years |
| 17:00.18 | redduck676 | jelly-home: did i say otherwise? |
| 17:00.21 | rpc | so it's not me who is complaining at all :) |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it depends what you actually want it to do |
| 17:00.51 | redduck676 | rpc: go to some popular windows forum and read about the problems windows people are having. |
| 17:00.55 | lhadji | alot of people use linux because windows gives them the problems sendmail never would |
| 17:00.57 | jelly-home | redduck676: you didn't mention it explicitely tho |
| 17:01.37 | rpc | redduck676 it's a different level of problems |
| 17:01.41 | redduck676 | rpc: point is, evey OS has their problems, it is just the choice of every invididual with which headaches he/she wants to deal :-) |
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| 17:02.15 | rpc | redduck676 many problems on windows are trivial and get lost after a reboot :) |
| 17:02.19 | xingu | most people use windows because that's what their hardware and software vendors target and for no other reason |
| 17:02.22 | jetscreamer | redduck676: yeah debian doesn't have netcardconfig or others. very glaring omission imo |
| 17:02.44 | rpc | linux has to become more idiot-proof |
| 17:03.01 | xingu | linux's history is littered with commercial vendors in either space who have tried to keep up |
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| 17:03.05 | rpc | people should be taken far away from the system level |
| 17:03.08 | redduck676 | rpc: out of curiosity, did you in recent past tried out ubutnu? |
| 17:03.13 | colher_de_pau | debian portugues please |
| 17:03.19 | jelly-home | !pt |
| 17:03.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:03.33 | rpc | redduck676 yes and i found a bug after 10 mins since installation, just when trying to upgrade packages lol |
| 17:03.50 | rpc | redduck676 i'm a debian guy btw |
| 17:04.04 | troubleboy | xingu: ppl dont use windows because it is preinstalled, but because most ppl would use windows if no system was installed |
| 17:04.35 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 17:04.42 | xingu | troubleboy: no, people use windows because that's what the hardware ships with a click next installer for, and because that's what their shrinkwrap programs have an installer for. |
| 17:04.45 | jelly-home | troubleboy: in any case, Windows isn't really ontopic on a support channel |
| 17:05.04 | xingu | but even for a sunday, this is a lame troll effort that's sooooooo '91. |
| 17:05.20 | rpc | jelly-home what's really funny is that in #windows there is alot of linux chat going on lol |
| 17:05.27 | troubleboy | jelly-home: you're reight |
| 17:05.29 | rpc | most windows guys there use linux :) |
| 17:05.34 | rpc | debian mostly btw :) |
| 17:06.01 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 17:06.29 | jelly-home | xingu: I bet all Linux companies together will NEVER do as much good as M$, whose CEO can spare tens of billions of $ for charity and smart. |
| 17:06.35 | jetscreamer | imo more ubuntu |
| 17:06.43 | sepski | when you know enough about windows to give good advice, you usualy use linux |
| 17:06.45 | jelly-home | ... projects |
| 17:07.01 | jelly-home | xingu: how's that for a troll |
| 17:07.13 | mango | redduck676: thanks |
| 17:07.18 | teksimian | hey, i downloaded a debian source .orig.tar.gz file, and tried to patch it with the diff file, but it fails (asks for missing filenames) |
| 17:07.18 | jetscreamer | when you know enough to blame the admin, you use whatever you want... |
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| 17:07.29 | rpc | jetscreamer lol |
| 17:07.35 | jetscreamer | did you untar the file teksimian ? |
| 17:07.43 | troubleboy | why do i get a command not found error when using xsetkbmap? |
| 17:07.54 | troubleboy | what package does it belong to |
| 17:08.04 | abrotman | !search |
| 17:08.04 | jelly-home | troubleboy: you may have mispeled setxkbmap |
| 17:08.04 | jetscreamer | apt-file can tell you troubleboy |
| 17:08.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 17:08.11 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 17:08.11 | dpkg | apt-file is, like, util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 17:08.22 | teksimian | jetscreamer; i cd into the untarred .orig file's directory and do zcat ../xxx.diff.gz | patch |
| 17:08.24 | jetscreamer | oh nm dupelicate :/ |
| 17:08.34 | Maerz | there is no audioplayer out there that meet my requirements :(. Amarok would come near, but the KDE stuff is pure overload for an audioplayer (as i don't use KDE) .. would need one that organizes the music.. |
| 17:08.39 | jetscreamer | oh ok teksimian just checking |
| 17:08.42 | troubleboy | duh |
| 17:08.44 | jetscreamer | xmodmap iirc |
| 17:08.48 | Maerz | like Foobar <3 |
| 17:08.51 | troubleboy | duh |
| 17:08.55 | rpc | [19:07:43] <troubleboy> why do i get a command not found error when using xsetkbmap? <---that's the problem with linux.. now you spend another 20 mins sorting this out :) then eventually you are back to what you were doing before :) |
| 17:09.09 | mango | when I run the command hostname -d I get "com", how do I change that please |
| 17:09.12 | rpc | after tons of reading and such :) |
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| 17:09.19 | rpc | not everyone has to like this. |
| 17:09.20 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: true - just most people who say windows is easy don't know about the nightmare that is vbscript (or the massive extra effort to access the ms objects from perl) |
| 17:09.26 | jdavis_ | I am encoutering a strange problem. My drives get re-ordered in a seemingly random way during boot. For instance, I just booted up, and got an error that kicked me to the initramfs. I rebooted and worked fine. |
| 17:09.32 | rpc | mango you edit your hosts file and all that |
| 17:09.35 | jetscreamer | vbscripting is FUN |
| 17:09.41 | jetscreamer | so is wmiscripting |
| 17:09.46 | robin_sz | bah, the database forms wizard in openoffice for sarge is broken :( |
| 17:09.48 | robin_sz | sigh |
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| 17:09.59 | robin_sz | I knew I should have used the openoffice binary |
| 17:10.08 | jetscreamer | jdavis_: what kernel |
| 17:10.18 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: 2.6.20 (unstable) |
| 17:10.38 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: 2.6.20-1-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 17:10.43 | jetscreamer | jdavis_: yes something about the new atalib |
| 17:10.48 | teksimian | jetscreamer; so, that is the proper procedure for patching .orig files? ... should i pass any special parameters to patch? |
| 17:10.49 | jetscreamer | hda becomes sda |
| 17:11.02 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: switch to using uuid's |
| 17:11.16 | jetscreamer | teksimian: i don't know i was just asking if you untarred it because the fact that you did wasn't obvious |
| 17:11.18 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: no, I already fixed the hda->sda problem. |
| 17:11.23 | jdavis_ | h3sp4wn: how do I do that. |
| 17:11.29 | jetscreamer | jdavis_: no this is a different one :) |
| 17:11.40 | jetscreamer | seriously.. at least i belive it is |
| 17:12.04 | troubleboy | (06:55:30 PM) jelly-home: troubleboy: you can do eg. "setxkbmap us" to change to US English keyboard |
| 17:12.14 | jetscreamer | not Disk devices may change on reboot http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 17:12.19 | troubleboy | not if its setxkbmap |
| 17:12.19 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: the problem is that sometimes drive X will be known as sda, sometimes it will be sdc |
| 17:12.19 | jetscreamer | this is libata related |
| 17:12.28 | xingu | jdavis_: there's no guarentees about what order devices and busses will attach |
| 17:12.31 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: Oh, ok |
| 17:12.37 | jetscreamer | oh haven't got that far yet |
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| 17:12.38 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sda1 (to get the uuid) - then put it in fstab using UUID= |
| 17:12.52 | jetscreamer | mine changes into sda but i've only booted the kernel twice |
| 17:12.53 | xingu | jdavis_: problem is compounded if your drives are on different storage controller types. |
| 17:13.06 | xingu | jdavis_: as h3sp4wn says, use uuid mounts |
| 17:13.06 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: should also be in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 17:13.13 | jetscreamer | yeah the diff controller types is the Disk devices may change on reboot one |
| 17:13.13 | jdavis_ | Ok, trying to set 'em up as UUIDs. |
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| 17:13.52 | jetscreamer | note that a self compiled 2.6.20 'just work' here |
| 17:13.59 | jetscreamer | it's just the stock image |
| 17:14.05 | Talisker | How do I use setxkbmap to switch to a normal English layout? |
| 17:14.09 | jetscreamer | s/work/works/ |
| 17:14.09 | jdavis_ | Ok, I think this is going to work using the UUIDs. Thanks guys! |
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| 17:14.39 | xingu | jetscreamer: that may be because your own kernel has your storage controllers statically linked vs the debian modular approach? |
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| 17:14.46 | jetscreamer | i was going to try just changing hda to sda in menu.lst and fstab but i chickened out |
| 17:14.48 | redduck676 | Talisker: setxkbmap us probably |
| 17:15.01 | rpc | jetscreamer hm |
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| 17:15.08 | rpc | jetscreamer what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:15.22 | redduck676 | jetscreamer: grub distingushes between hda and sda? |
| 17:15.28 | h3sp4wn | I am not sure about whether specifying a uuid to grub is necessary (I personally don't need it as have only sda and sr0) |
| 17:15.30 | jetscreamer | xingu: not sure, all i know is it works |
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| 17:15.58 | rpc | jetscreamer tell me what do you plan as i was tru similar stuff before |
| 17:16.00 | jelly-home | redduck676: no, but linux userspace does |
| 17:16.05 | jetscreamer | redduck676: no, it boots but hangs at 'waiting for / fs ' |
| 17:16.17 | rpc | basically there is a mess in my system - i suspect that SATA drives are being used as they were PATA ones |
| 17:16.31 | jetscreamer | rpc: i don't plan anything nor have any problems atm... cept if i try to boot 2.6.20-1-k7 my box won't |
| 17:16.55 | jetscreamer | rpc: that one is the Disk devices may change on reboot ... i get that. |
| 17:17.02 | jetscreamer | that seems more like udev. |
| 17:17.07 | xingu | yes |
| 17:17.14 | redduck676 | jetscreamer, jelly-home: ah, thanks |
| 17:17.32 | lac | my problems continue. All I did was an update after a few months. Now, whenever I reboot /dev/null is no longer writable by all. And something is terribly wrong with ptys, not being writable too, so I cannot open terminal windows in kde. Anybody seen anything like this? |
| 17:17.51 | rpc | and jetscreamer don't use 2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 17:17.59 | rpc | jetscreamer i just quit yesterday.. back to 2.6.18-4 |
| 17:18.07 | rpc | jetscreamer and 686 on amd x2 |
| 17:18.37 | knoxy | hi all.. exists a maildrop .deb with mysql support enabled? |
| 17:18.39 | jetscreamer | rpc: i just compiled one when the headers/kbuild were not available because i wanted .20 and nvidia installer |
| 17:18.42 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 17:19.07 | jetscreamer | then when they became available i installed .20 stock... oopsie |
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| 17:19.31 | jetscreamer | of course one day i will have to fix this |
| 17:19.39 | jetscreamer | but i'm good at procrastination |
| 17:19.47 | Ateo_ | Hi! |
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| 17:20.30 | jetscreamer | i know how to fix the new nvidia-installer bork with the module not found thingy et al |
| 17:20.43 | rohan | hmm.. debian homepage must remove the Valid W3C css label. since it is not valid css - http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.us.debian.org/ |
| 17:20.48 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
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| 17:20.58 | jetscreamer | rohan: fix it! |
| 17:21.02 | rohan | jetscreamer: how ? |
| 17:21.12 | jetscreamer | rohan: submit a patch i guess |
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| 17:21.19 | jetscreamer | not sure exactly how |
| 17:21.21 | rohan | Property -moz-border-radius doesn't exist : 15px ---> that is to have nice rounded corners in mozilla - just remove that :) |
| 17:21.35 | rohan | because, anyway, in konqi the borders are square only |
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| 17:22.06 | jetscreamer | file a bug with your fix |
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| 17:22.17 | jetscreamer | file a bug with your fix included i mean |
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| 17:22.45 | Ratshell | Hey does anyone here know how to setup teamspeak-server? |
| 17:22.52 | rpc | Ratshell read the docs |
| 17:22.57 | Ratshell | what docs? |
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| 17:23.00 | jetscreamer | i got the client going that's all |
| 17:23.03 | Ratshell | Could you provide link please? |
| 17:23.04 | lac | I believe I have found my problem. http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-tpctl-devel/2006-April/000032.html |
| 17:23.05 | rpc | Ratshell you got everything in readme file |
| 17:23.17 | rpc | Ratshell btw it's commercial.. did you pay the licence fee? |
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| 17:23.31 | rpc | it's not open source either |
| 17:23.32 | lac | But I don't know what to do now. At any rate, I am having a problem with my thinkpad as soon as I updated udev |
| 17:23.33 | Ratshell | teamspeak-server is free |
| 17:23.36 | stoned | wow its full in here |
| 17:23.45 | rpc | Ratshell have you ever been to their website? |
| 17:23.46 | troubled | err rpc |
| 17:23.49 | stoned | i talked to my isp and got 7mbit down for free for 6 months |
| 17:23.51 | stoned | hehe |
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| 17:23.57 | Ratshell | I been to there website you can download it free |
| 17:23.58 | troubled | rpc: teamspeak only requires license for comercial use |
| 17:24.02 | stoned | 1mb/s from debian servers |
| 17:24.05 | stoned | man this is sweet |
| 17:24.06 | rpc | Ratshell and nothing else |
| 17:24.18 | sepski | millibit ? |
| 17:24.19 | rpc | troubled yes but that means most cases :) like using it for cs etc. |
| 17:24.20 | Ratshell | See I am not using it for commercial use |
| 17:24.21 | jetscreamer | there is no /usr/share/doc/teamspeak* |
| 17:24.28 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 17:24.43 | rpc | Ratshell anyway.. it's not open source so not supported here :) plus you got everything in docs |
| 17:24.44 | stoned | jetscreamer: i got fast internet again |
| 17:24.50 | stoned | ;D |
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| 17:25.00 | jetscreamer | oh duh i don't have it installed atm i reinstalled |
| 17:25.00 | troubled | rpc: its alot better than vent. they even forbid use of a firewall to prevent theem from connecting to built in "back doors" to audit their software! |
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| 17:25.12 | jetscreamer | stoned: yes i saw from the 1mb/s :p |
| 17:25.15 | stoned | hehe |
| 17:25.18 | robin_sz | so just talking to the Openoffice guys .. it seems the verison of OOo-base in etch is broken .. how did this make it through into a stable release huh? |
| 17:25.28 | stoned | after 6 months, it will only go up 15$/mo for the same speed |
| 17:25.37 | abrotman | broked how ? |
| 17:25.37 | stoned | plus they gave me 250 more cable channels |
| 17:25.43 | robin_sz | abrotman, yes |
| 17:25.43 | stoned | same price |
| 17:25.45 | stoned | im like damn |
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| 17:25.50 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 17:25.51 | abrotman | how .. not if |
| 17:25.51 | rpc | troubled i wonder why there is no FREE and OPEN voice server still.. is this really so hard to do? |
| 17:26.03 | jetscreamer | 250 channels of 'nothing on' oh boy! :) |
| 17:26.09 | rpc | troubled btw are there backdoors in vent? you sure? |
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| 17:26.16 | abrotman | asterisk ? ekiga ? |
| 17:26.18 | troubled | rpc: as hard as it is to open a socket and use free codecs and design clients i suppose |
| 17:26.18 | stoned | jetscreamer: not for me, i don't even watch tv |
| 17:26.20 | robin_sz | abrotman, the forms wizard doesnt work, crashes with an unhandled excpetion, know about as a result of compiling agaisnt gcj |
| 17:26.24 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.24 | rohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.26 | JosefAssad | Quick question; the debian minimal CD; willthat pick up my wireless card? ipw2200 |
| 17:26.27 | rohan | jetscreamer: ^^^ :) |
| 17:26.29 | knubbze | :o |
| 17:26.30 | abrotman | robin_sz: don't use gcj ? |
| 17:26.31 | rpc | abrotman voice server as teamspeak or ventrilo |
| 17:26.34 | rohan | jetscreamer: i don't think so |
| 17:26.38 | jetscreamer | stoned: the commercialskill me |
| 17:26.40 | stoned | asterisk can be combined with free online tele # from some free company and you can setup voip for free |
| 17:26.44 | rpc | troubled so why no one did openspeak or something still? |
| 17:26.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: did i tell you i found vibrating square in nethack, in dlvl:46? |
| 17:26.56 | sepski | robin_sz, have you written bugs about it ? |
| 17:26.58 | jetscreamer | rohan: i don't know what to say.... keep it up? :) |
| 17:27.00 | stoned | jetscreamer: what! the shows kill me. Damn tv shows, messing up my commercials :) |
| 17:27.01 | rohan | JosefAssad: depends on which cd you'll use ? |
| 17:27.07 | rohan | jetscreamer: sorry, i meant it for JosefAssad :) |
| 17:27.08 | rpc | troubled and all the CS community has to use this stinking closed source TS shit |
| 17:27.12 | JosefAssad | rohan: I am open to suggestion :) |
| 17:27.21 | troubled | rpc: you would find that truely open voice communications would fall under same restrictions as phone as far as ftc is concerned. and gamers would be unlikely to use anything except vent/ts anyways |
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| 17:27.27 | jetscreamer | rpc: just code one up real quick |
| 17:27.32 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:27.32 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 17:27.39 | stoned | ugh |
| 17:27.39 | JosefAssad | rohan: I would like to avoid downloading all 200 CDs though |
| 17:27.40 | stoned | nasty |
| 17:27.43 | stoned | haha |
| 17:27.43 | rohan | JosefAssad: use the netinst, not the business card. with netinst you'll have a base install. however, make sure you download the .deb's and dependencies for your wireless card driver |
| 17:27.45 | rpc | jetscreamer i can do that |
| 17:27.46 | robin_sz | sepski, since the OOo guys immendiately went "yeah, base is broken in etch and will remian so until the debian guys compile agaisnt Sun java" ... then I figured I was not the first |
| 17:28.00 | stoned | man i need to check the bts concerning kde |
| 17:28.01 | JosefAssad | rohan: Okie, that is good advice. Thank you |
| 17:28.03 | rohan | JosefAssad: yes, as i said, get the netinst, and debs for your wireless card |
| 17:28.05 | rohan | :) |
| 17:28.06 | stoned | lots of apps are segfaulting |
| 17:28.06 | rohan | np |
| 17:28.09 | sepski | robin_sz, that does not matter. what matters is if it's in the BTS of debian |
| 17:28.10 | stoned | this is bull |
| 17:28.17 | rohan | stoned: on ? stable ? |
| 17:28.18 | troubled | stoned: mem? |
| 17:28.21 | stoned | sid |
| 17:28.21 | jetscreamer | stoned: do fix-unmet |
| 17:28.24 | rpc | troubled so there are other restrictions then... |
| 17:28.25 | sepski | if "everyone" knows and it's not in the BTS then broken software goes into stable |
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| 17:28.32 | stoned | ok.. why jetscreamer |
| 17:28.38 | jdavis_ | h3sp4wn: How do I get the UUID of a swap partitition? Or set it if it's not there? |
| 17:28.44 | rohan | JosefAssad: :o why ? |
| 17:28.52 | JosefAssad | dinner... brb |
| 17:28.53 | stoned | !fix unmet |
| 17:28.53 | troubled | rpc: i think the programmers had "easily tappable" in mind for reasons of security imho |
| 17:28.58 | stoned | !fix-unmet |
| 17:28.59 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 17:29.08 | jetscreamer | jdavis_: there is a uuid tool in sources, apt-cache search uuid ... not 'sure' that's what you need |
| 17:29.15 | sepski | if you can't be bothered to write bugs. then dont complain is something gets into etch |
| 17:29.20 | stoned | ok so wy am I doing fix unmet jetscreamer |
| 17:29.21 | rpc | troubled hm |
| 17:29.24 | jetscreamer | !tell scead -about root |
| 17:29.27 | jdavis_ | jetscreamer: thanks. |
| 17:29.29 | stoned | huh? |
| 17:29.33 | rpc | troubled that's the only explanation it seems.. |
| 17:29.36 | stoned | dude wtf, im not root |
| 17:29.39 | troubled | rpc: go check out the ventrillo license :) |
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| 17:29.47 | jetscreamer | stoned: you said something about segfaults.. and if you're up2date nothing will happen |
| 17:29.54 | rpc | troubled must be fun :) |
| 17:30.02 | stoned | jetscreamer: you're speaking in riddles im confused buddy |
| 17:30.04 | jetscreamer | stoned: nobody said tell stoned about root |
| 17:30.09 | robin_sz | abrotman, ok, i misunderstood it seems. OOo v 2.0.x never did get the bug fixed. its fixed in OOo v2.2, but that only compiles agaisnt Sun java, which is not ethically pure enough or something, |
| 17:30.10 | stoned | you just did! |
| 17:30.11 | troubled | rpc: they wont even legally allow you to use their software if you dont have a legitimate business license you fax to em |
| 17:30.12 | stoned | omg! |
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| 17:30.17 | jetscreamer | look agtain |
| 17:30.21 | stoned | i feel like im on crazy pills |
| 17:30.22 | jetscreamer | it did start with an s |
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| 17:30.29 | stoned | oh god |
| 17:30.32 | stoned | i AM on crazy pills |
| 17:30.33 | stoned | fuck |
| 17:30.41 | rpc | troubled hm that's really strange but must have some "interesting" reason :) |
| 17:30.50 | robin_sz | abrotman, so, its unlikely to ever work in 2.0 because that not really being maiantained anymore by the OOo guys |
| 17:30.54 | troubled | rpc: im sure there is :) |
| 17:30.56 | rpc | troubled how about i coded my own app like that? |
| 17:31.01 | jetscreamer | yeah... but if you did that fix-unmet thing, stoned, if your packages are up to date, it will do nothing |
| 17:31.04 | donaldo | did anyone else lose their gcc man page when they upgraded to etch? i can't seem to find an appropriate gcc-*-doc package either :( |
| 17:31.16 | jetscreamer | up to date and proper |
| 17:31.17 | sepski | robin_sz, love the software that's forgotten as soon as it's out the door |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | robin_sz: i meant .. don't use gcj |
| 17:31.22 | hark | donaldo: it's in non-free |
| 17:31.31 | tarzeau | donaldo: yes |
| 17:31.32 | rpc | troubled would i need to be allowed to distribute it? guess yes |
| 17:31.36 | troubled | rpc: i suppose you can do whatever you like. but communications seems to be touchy topics with politicians and such. *shrug* |
| 17:31.37 | donaldo | hark: whaat? really? what license is it? |
| 17:31.43 | rpc | right. |
| 17:31.51 | stoned | jetscreamer: noneed for fix unmet.. I just forgot i had some experimental kde packages from like 2 months ago on the box |
| 17:31.52 | tarzeau | donaldo: GFDL |
| 17:31.54 | stoned | its all good now |
| 17:31.56 | jetscreamer | yes the politicos don't want us talking to each other |
| 17:31.56 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 17:32.11 | troubled | rpc: thats the problems with laws, you never know they exist until your sent a cease & desist :) |
| 17:32.14 | coldsteal | can anyone tell me if debian has command-not-found...im not on my debian install |
| 17:32.24 | jdavis_ | I'm using a raw partition for a virtual machine instance. Is there any way for me to be sure I'm getting the right device? |
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| 17:32.41 | stoned | Bhaal == bot? |
| 17:32.43 | rpc | troubled doh |
| 17:32.51 | jetscreamer | scead: you can't talk when you're root |
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| 17:32.55 | stoned | i see this hop many times a day |
| 17:32.55 | abrotman | stoned: freenode staff |
| 17:32.56 | rpc | Bhaal: botsnack |
| 17:33.03 | Jabop | Hi, what is a good tool to record a desktop? |
| 17:33.03 | stoned | abrotman: staffer's bot or a real guy? |
| 17:33.04 | jetscreamer | stoned: no he does that to catch onjoin trolls |
| 17:33.05 | robin_sz | abrotman, I dont use gcj, I assume gcj was used to build the OOo 2.0 package |
| 17:33.07 | abrotman | stoned: he's looking for /msg spammers |
| 17:33.08 | stoned | oh its live |
| 17:33.08 | jetscreamer | freenode op |
| 17:33.13 | tarzeau | Jabop: a video camera? |
| 17:33.14 | sepski | coldsteal, command-not-found ? |
| 17:33.16 | troubled | Bhaal: help |
| 17:33.19 | abrotman | robin_sz: build ? |
| 17:33.29 | abrotman | troubled: it's a real person .. leave him alone |
| 17:33.31 | Jabop | tarzeau nope, a record my desktop :) |
| 17:33.31 | rpc | Bhaal hola |
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| 17:33.33 | stoned | some staffers run bots that catch onjoin spam |
| 17:33.35 | robin_sz | abrotman, which version of debain do I need to use to get OOo 2.2? |
| 17:33.39 | troubled | abrotman: hehe sry :) |
| 17:33.39 | stoned | well at least on other nets |
| 17:33.42 | rpc | abrotman aye.. |
| 17:33.46 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 17:33.46 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 17:34.03 | jetscreamer | stoned: all i know is i said about what you said once, and he responded :) |
| 17:34.14 | stoned | im confused man |
| 17:34.16 | stoned | :( |
| 17:34.17 | talisker | Hi, just wanted to inform you I've solved my problem, All I needed to do is "setxkbmap us" |
| 17:34.17 | scead | jetscreamer, Nemoder: installed a clean unstable... same problem |
| 17:34.18 | abrotman | robin_sz: i odn't know that it's in debian at all |
| 17:34.20 | stoned | what did i say jetscreamer |
| 17:34.22 | Rusty1 | Jabop: ksapshot |
| 17:34.28 | jetscreamer | scead: i know how to fix it |
| 17:34.30 | coldsteal | i was saw that ubuntu had it so i was wondering if it was "ported" to debian |
| 17:34.33 | scead | how? |
| 17:34.38 | tarzeau | Jabop: not sure istanbul? xvidcap? |
| 17:34.45 | robin_sz | abrotman, ahh, so there is no version of debian with a working version od OOo database then? |
| 17:34.46 | jetscreamer | scead: turned out i had the same problem |
| 17:34.52 | Rusty1 | Jabop: Ksnapshot |
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| 17:35.01 | scead | ha, so i reformatted for nothing? :P |
| 17:35.07 | abrotman | robin_sz: ask on OFTC |
| 17:35.07 | jetscreamer | but didn't know it till i tried to use the nvidia-installer |
| 17:35.11 | abrotman | robin_sz: #debian-oo |
| 17:35.11 | Jabop | Rusty1 it is for a record a movie? or only screenshoots? |
| 17:35.15 | stoned | ttf-dejavu is still fucked at least on my box |
| 17:35.18 | coldsteal | http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/search/label/ubuntu |
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| 17:35.25 | stoned | uh oh! |
| 17:35.34 | stoned | hdb: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). |
| 17:35.35 | stoned | ! |
| 17:35.50 | jetscreamer | scead: this worked for me with the nvidia-installer, but the fonts changed too :/ ln -sn /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so && ln -sn /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so && ln -sn /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libwfb.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libwfb.so |
| 17:35.50 | robin_sz | abrotman, yeah, funny |
| 17:36.00 | stoned | bah |
| 17:36.05 | stoned | cheap 10$ dvd drive |
| 17:36.10 | stoned | i'll throw it away |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | robin_sz: i'm not joking |
| 17:36.17 | abrotman | robin_sz: on OFTC |
| 17:36.59 | stoned | what can confuse a cdrom device? faulty HW or some other driver problem. I do have the jmb jmicron pata controller on this board |
| 17:37.05 | jetscreamer | the move to oftc was seemingly a mistake, compare the 300 there to the 800 here... but the new ones are on oftc it seems... very bad waste of resources imo |
| 17:37.08 | rohan | damn, no sun-java6-* in etch :(( :(( |
| 17:37.11 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 17:37.21 | troubled | stoned: jmicron = not full ide perhaps? |
| 17:37.21 | rohan | jetscreamer: exactly .. unwanted duplication |
| 17:37.25 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: try swapoff /dev/foo - then vol_id -u /dev/foo then mkswap /dev/foo (should give you a uuid) |
| 17:37.29 | robin_sz | abrotman, OFTC is what? I joinf #debian-oo on this server, only person there. |
| 17:37.34 | stoned | i should just get a sata dvd burner |
| 17:37.38 | stoned | its only 30$ |
| 17:37.40 | troubled | stoned: didnt you get the memo^H^H^H^Hslashdot article on it a few days back? |
| 17:37.41 | abrotman | robin_sz: #debian-oo on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:37.49 | stoned | i don't read slashdot |
| 17:37.56 | jdavis_ | h3sp4wn: Ok, I'll try that. Thanks. |
| 17:37.59 | robin_sz | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 17:38.02 | troubled | stoned: digg it then |
| 17:38.04 | rohan | the two channels on oftc and freenode must somehow "merge" or just be two different frontends for the same 'backend' sort of, to have the optimum situation imo |
| 17:38.07 | Rusty1 | Jabop: only screenshot, not movie |
| 17:38.09 | jetscreamer | jmicron |
| 17:38.15 | stoned | its cheese man |
| 17:38.20 | stoned | jmicron sucks ballsacks |
| 17:38.24 | jetscreamer | that is the usb pata culprit (rumor) with libata |
| 17:38.34 | jetscreamer | in 2.6.20 |
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| 17:38.43 | stoned | well im still on .18-4 |
| 17:38.50 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 17:38.52 | stoned | .20 i heard bad things about last night |
| 17:38.59 | stoned | from you and peterS etc. |
| 17:39.02 | Jabop | Rusty1 but I want record movie :( |
| 17:39.05 | jetscreamer | it works fine just not stock kernel |
| 17:39.05 | troubled | stoned: anyways, jist of story was some specific ver of jmicron ide was NOT bootable and wasnt full ide or something. ie: your fscked less you go sata |
| 17:39.17 | stoned | i might have to |
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| 17:39.42 | stoned | free shipping and 29.99 for sata dvd burner |
| 17:39.47 | stoned | lite on |
| 17:39.53 | stoned | seems good enough |
| 17:39.56 | h3sp4wn | I have one of those - seems to work fine |
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| 17:40.06 | troubled | stoned: if you can get past your hatred for slashdot and treat it like any other search engine, im sure jmicron will show some results for you |
| 17:40.12 | jetscreamer | i don't even have sata and i get these stupid ide/kernel problems |
| 17:40.20 | stoned | troubled: i don't hate it, i just don't read it. |
| 17:40.33 | troubled | understood |
| 17:40.35 | stoned | i read wikipedia and fantasy books like dragonlance |
| 17:40.36 | h3sp4wn | I had no problems with the debian kernel or my own |
| 17:40.38 | stoned | and man pages |
| 17:40.42 | h3sp4wn | (but I am all s-ata) |
| 17:40.49 | troubled | man pages! *tim allen grunt* |
| 17:40.51 | stoned | when i didn' thave th einternet for a few weeks, i just downloaded debian manuals and read those |
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| 17:40.56 | stoned | im not fun |
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| 17:41.05 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: my theory is that that is why :) |
| 17:41.31 | troubled | stoned: look at the channel your in. ;) |
| 17:41.31 | stoned | im aware of my umm.. place im in |
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| 17:41.31 | stoned | :D |
| 17:41.32 | abrotman | you're :) |
| 17:41.32 | troubled | i meant that in the most polite way of course hehe |
| 17:41.37 | stoned | grammar nazi |
| 17:41.40 | stoned | ;) |
| 17:41.44 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: I deliberately did it that way though - all ide or all s-ata - didn't want to mix |
| 17:41.46 | dmilith | lol |
| 17:41.48 | tarzeau | i should make manpages of the books of the project gutenberg |
| 17:42.03 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, the guy on the debian-oo channel is the same person ive been talking to on #openoffice.org on this server ... seems there is no working version on OOo-database for debian at the moment, unlessyou use a binary package from OOo, even backports doesnt have 2.2 |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | robin_sz: rene ? |
| 17:42.41 | stoned | man.. what the shit |
| 17:42.53 | stoned | X will not read the condensed version of ttf-dejavu |
| 17:42.56 | robin_sz | abrotman, rene? .. mm no, Mechtilde |
| 17:43.05 | stoned | it doesn't even show up |
| 17:43.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:43.14 | stoned | i thought they fixed it last time i posted the bug |
| 17:43.25 | stoned | lazy bastagies |
| 17:43.44 | robin_sz | stoned, its fixed, the problem is in your drug-crazed eyes |
| 17:44.01 | stoned | hey i been clean for a almost 2 month period |
| 17:44.03 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:44.25 | stoned | its the lack of substances if anything |
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| 17:46.00 | jetscreamer | scead: any luck? |
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| 17:46.37 | scead | jetscreamer: that command didn't work |
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| 17:47.45 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 17:47.55 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a Linux driver for the Sis163U? |
| 17:48.00 | knubbze | :o |
| 17:48.03 | HardDisk_WP | on http://www.sis.com/pressroom/pressrelease_000148.htm they say there is a linux driver |
| 17:48.08 | HardDisk_WP | but googling didnt help |
| 17:48.17 | HardDisk_WP | all pages tell only about ndiswrapper |
| 17:48.20 | stoned | finally back on my laptop's irssi.. all configured properly |
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| 17:48.27 | stoned | stoned.is.dreaming.org should work now too |
| 17:48.54 | Rusty1 | Jabop: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vnc2swf/ |
| 17:48.58 | uptownben | Anybody seen this problem before: I had a perfectly good sarge install and a few days ago I did a apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and now my machine stalls at "SIS router unknown request" right after usb.c: registered new driver hub. |
| 17:48.59 | h3sp4wn | Incidently has anyone switched to evdev for keyboard and mouse for xorg (the newer xserver-xorg-input-{mouse,kbd} are not in sid - I built them from the experimental source (amd64) |
| 17:49.10 | roland_ | can anyone assist me in configuring a commercial mail server (using a web administration site) , i give admin user and pass , i need to find out why smtp-out doesnt reach its destination, and no clue from logs other than failed |
| 17:49.18 | Jabop | Rusty1: thank you :) |
| 17:49.21 | troubled | stoned: FYI, JMicron JMB20335 was the chipset mentioned in the article specifically |
| 17:49.28 | stoned | is this freenode or oftc? |
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| 17:49.36 | sepski | freenode |
| 17:49.38 | tarzeau | stoned: freenode |
| 17:49.41 | stoned | thanks |
| 17:49.53 | robin_sz | !dpkg 2006 key |
| 17:49.55 | roland_ | whats oftc long word |
| 17:50.09 | scead | jetscreamer: is that the complete command? |
| 17:50.14 | troubled | !listkeys jmicron |
| 17:50.15 | stoned | open free something something |
| 17:50.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'jmicron' by key returned no results. |
| 17:50.19 | scead | jetscreamer: so fonts break it? |
| 17:50.19 | stoned | !oftc |
| 17:50.19 | dpkg | hmm... oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 17:50.25 | stoned | tech. commu. |
| 17:50.26 | abrotman | !listvals jmic |
| 17:50.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'jmic' by value returned no results. |
| 17:50.46 | roland_ | !freenode |
| 17:50.46 | dpkg | well, freenode is a service of the Peer-Directed Projects Center, an IRS 501(c)(3) corporation. They have an irc network, irc.freenode.net, and you can visit their web page at http://freenode.net/. You may be connected to Freenode. see also <oftc> and <fact sharing> |
| 17:50.57 | scead | jetscreamer: i don't have these files: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/* |
| 17:51.09 | uptownben | help. Sarge wont boot after apt-get upgrade. |
| 17:51.10 | tarzeau | scead: try /usr/lib/xorg/modules/* ? |
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| 17:51.27 | sepski | uptownben, have you perhaps unwittingly upgraded to etch ? |
| 17:51.31 | scead | tarzeau: yes, they are there |
| 17:51.33 | tarzeau | has someone seen hellboy? |
| 17:51.39 | stoned | great movie |
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| 17:51.42 | scead | but look at jetscreamers command he gave me |
| 17:51.53 | tarzeau | can you use zattoo tv w/ wine? |
| 17:51.54 | stoned | i didn't like the animated one too much |
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| 17:52.11 | stoned | that girl with the blue fire, shes hot |
| 17:52.17 | sepski | !seen hellboy |
| 17:52.17 | uptownben | sepski: all of my apt sources point to sarge stable I never added any etch sources. |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | hellboy <n=hellboy@OL204-219.fibertel.com.ar> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 557d 15h 51m 56s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
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| 17:52.21 | stoned | she was in legally blonde as well |
| 17:52.22 | troubled | !jmicron is <reply> Having problems booting IDE on a JMicron chipset or MSI G965M-FI? Check out http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/16/1829231. |
| 17:52.22 | dpkg | troubled: okay |
| 17:52.30 | sepski | 557d ago ? that's quite a while.. |
| 17:52.50 | roland_ | !openbios |
| 17:52.51 | dpkg | i heard openbios is at http://www.freiburg.linux.de/OpenBIOS/ |
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| 17:53.20 | uptownben | sepski: now the machine just gets stuck at ehci_hcd, some USB stuff. |
| 17:53.25 | xand | uptownben: are they "stable" or "sarge"? |
| 17:53.32 | AndreasDK | Can someone please tell me how to make the text in Iceweasel larger? |
| 17:53.39 | uptownben | xand: stable |
| 17:53.43 | AndreasDK | And Xchat for that matter |
| 17:53.45 | xand | uptownben: that's etch then, not sarge |
| 17:53.50 | xand | uptownben: etch = stable |
| 17:54.06 | troubled | AndreasDK: CTRL + "+/-"? |
| 17:54.14 | xand | AndreasDK: view menu -> text size |
| 17:54.16 | Seb | "E: Package linux-kbuild-2.6.20 has no installation candidate" ? |
| 17:54.29 | scead | jetscreamer: still here mate? |
| 17:54.29 | uptownben | xand: sh*t.. so how can I fix this... can I just complete the etch upgrade somehow? |
| 17:54.33 | Seb | so linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 can't be isntalled |
| 17:54.36 | sepski | did you get new kernel at upgrade ? try booting the previous one |
| 17:54.38 | xand | uptownben: dunno maybe |
| 17:54.38 | tarzeau | sepski: haha, i meant the movie |
| 17:54.58 | tarzeau | Seb: why i make my own kernels |
| 17:54.58 | jetscreamer | scead: yeah but not for long time to experiment |
| 17:54.59 | uptownben | I don't see any new kernel options in my grub list. |
| 17:55.01 | sepski | tarzeau, haha yes i'v seen it |
| 17:55.02 | tarzeau | Seb: using make-kpkg :) |
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| 17:55.14 | jetscreamer | Seb: must be lenny/testing |
| 17:55.17 | xand | uptownben: it wouldn't have upgraded the kernel unless you specifically asked |
| 17:55.21 | jetscreamer | it's available in sid |
| 17:55.23 | xand | !sarge->etch |
| 17:55.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 17:55.25 | Seb | jetscreamer: nah i'm on sid |
| 17:55.29 | xand | uptownben: maybe read that webpage |
| 17:55.29 | Seb | jetscreamer: always have ;) |
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| 17:55.38 | sepski | uptownben, tried with some usb devices disconnected ? |
| 17:55.45 | jetscreamer | Seb: it finally became available, i've installed it.. unless it's a > version |
| 17:55.49 | AndreasDK | Hmm... That destroys tha layout of my favourite site. Can something else be done? Firefox was fine |
| 17:55.57 | Seb | jetscreamer: maybe my mirror hasn't updated yet |
| 17:56.19 | jetscreamer | Seb: i was able to finally install it >= 2days ago |
| 17:56.25 | Seb | jetscreamer: huh |
| 17:56.32 | jetscreamer | msut be new version |
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| 17:56.39 | xand | !dpi |
| 17:56.40 | dpkg | hmm... dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
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| 17:56.47 | xand | AndreasDK: maybe that stuff |
| 17:56.49 | Seb | jetscreamer: aight, time to switch mirrors then :\ |
| 17:56.50 | Seb | jetscreamer: Version: 2.6.20-1 |
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| 17:56.59 | rellik | anyone know of a good system monitoring program? something like monit (but that will use a mail server with TLS) |
| 17:56.59 | Seb | jetscreamer: so that'd be the 1st version of it |
| 17:57.07 | jazbo2185 | What's a simple way to delete every directory that contains a .m4p file? i.e. I have a directory "music" with lots of sub (and sub sub) directories... one directory for each artist and then inside those one directory for each album. I want to delete all the album directories that contain .m4p files |
| 17:57.18 | AndreasDK | Xand: What stuff? |
| 17:57.34 | xand | AndreasDK: what dpkg said about dpi |
| 17:58.32 | AndreasDK | dpkg !dpi ?? |
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| 17:58.55 | stoned | !tell AndreasDK -about dpi |
| 17:59.00 | Seb | rellik: munin ? |
| 17:59.02 | stoned | check your message |
| 17:59.15 | blaembel | hi all! i |
| 17:59.17 | buscon | Hi, I've got a script that I added into rc*.d - I've rebooted the pc and the script still run in foreground... |
| 17:59.20 | blaembel | ooops 8-) |
| 17:59.28 | buscon | the system cannot startup |
| 17:59.36 | buscon | and I cannot stop the script... |
| 17:59.48 | scead | i have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o ... is that in the right spot? |
| 17:59.58 | uptownben | I just keep getting the following error when I boot: ehci_hcd 00:03.3: BIOS handoff failed (112, 1010001).. anybody have any ideas as to what may cause that? |
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| 18:00.19 | blaembel | lemme try again... hi all! i'm using ubuntu, but i would like to make a bug report for the iceweasel source. is there any guidelines for how to make a patch? |
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| 18:00.25 | robin_sz | so, I judt d/l'd a OOo .deb .. and want to apt-get remove the openoffice.org package that is supplied with debian |
| 18:00.34 | tarzeau | blaembel: using diff -u ? |
| 18:00.48 | fs-a_ | hello, i installed gtk2-engines-metal. how do i use it? it's not listed in gtk-theme-switch2. |
| 18:00.50 | robin_sz | I did that but its only 300K, OOo is typically 130mb + |
| 18:01.05 | robin_sz | presumably there is "other stuff" I need to remove as well?# |
| 18:01.08 | AndreasDK | #!/bin/sh |
| 18:01.08 | AndreasDK | # $Id: xserverrc 189 2005-06-11 00:04:27Z branden $ |
| 18:01.08 | AndreasDK | exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 18:01.09 | blaembel | tarzeau: "diff -u original_file modified_file"? is that all? |
| 18:01.12 | rohan | robin_sz: where did you download that .deb from ? |
| 18:01.16 | rellik | Seb, I thought munin just made graphs? I need something that will send me an email when there is a problem (process using too much memory, etc) |
| 18:01.17 | dezent | apt-get remove --purge openoffice or something like that |
| 18:01.20 | AndreasDK | Is it the entire last line I should remove? |
| 18:01.22 | robin_sz | rohan, from the OOo site |
| 18:01.30 | tarzeau | blaembel: and send it to bts, i think so |
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| 18:01.42 | blaembel | tarzeau: ok, i'll try that! |
| 18:01.48 | rohan | robin_sz: OOo in debian is split - so you will need to remove writer, spreadsheet etc. manually |
| 18:01.55 | robin_sz | rohan, well, something related to the OOo site anyway |
| 18:02.00 | robin_sz | oh, pooh |
| 18:02.11 | robin_sz | rohan, how can I find out all the packages inthe split? |
| 18:02.11 | Seb | jetscreamer: yeah, it was my mirror |
| 18:02.14 | rohan | but why are you removing the debian supplied OOo |
| 18:02.22 | blaembel | also, this bug is relevant to the unstable source package. should i also check if it applies to the stable package, or will the package maintainer do that? |
| 18:02.26 | rohan | robin_sz: dpkg -l | grep openoffice |
| 18:02.30 | robin_sz | rohan, doesnt work, the database is fucked |
| 18:02.44 | rohan | blaembel: no, just file the bug against unstable |
| 18:02.49 | rohan | robin_sz: huh ! how so ? |
| 18:02.54 | blaembel | rohan: ok. |
| 18:02.58 | rohan | robin_sz: then how can you expect apt and others to work ? |
| 18:03.22 | jetscreamer | yay team! |
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| 18:03.35 | Supaplex | robin_sz: anything in /var/backups/ ? |
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| 18:03.51 | robin_sz | rohan, its borked inthe 2.0.x stream .. and no longer mainatianed, its fixed in the 2,2.0 stream, but that wont build agaisnt gcj, neds sun java, and well, you know the rest |
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| 18:04.29 | rohan | robin_sz: yes, i do :( |
| 18:04.40 | robin_sz | rohan, I just need a working OOo-database, there isnt one in debian so I have to use an external package, thtas all there is to it |
| 18:05.04 | rohan | ah |
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| 18:05.20 | rohan | when you said database is screwed, i thought you meant the dpkg one |
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| 18:05.53 | mark_s | I am looking for an imap server. Ist only for our lan with 10 clients. So far I found dovecot and courier. Which one is "easier" to handel? |
| 18:06.17 | rohan | robin_sz: i'd suggest you wait for ooo 2.2 to appear in backports |
| 18:06.39 | robin_sz | rohan, will that be sometime later this evening? |
| 18:06.48 | rohan | robin_sz: sorry, no idea :( |
| 18:06.59 | robin_sz | rohan, well, I cant wait that long |
| 18:07.00 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to enable mysql support to maildrop 2 ? |
| 18:07.02 | uptownben | I read somewhere that the BIOS handoff failed error could be because of a USB 2.0 problem, how can I force USB 1.1 on boot? |
| 18:07.02 | Seb | what's that tool that figures out what mirror is the fastest for me ? |
| 18:07.04 | jazbo2185 | what's the opposite command of `basename`? i.e. I want the name of just the directory without the filename |
| 18:07.12 | zenit_ | dirname |
| 18:07.19 | jazbo2185 | zenit_: thanks |
| 18:07.22 | zenit_ | np |
| 18:07.22 | robin_sz | rohan, happen to know which distros do have a working OOo-database? |
| 18:07.32 | robin_sz | rohan, Suse maybe? |
| 18:07.36 | Dave_is_sexy | Well this is far worse than debian 3. A totally automated instalation which forces gnome and all the crap that comes with it, but doesn't include ntfs read support: A fairly basic feature of practically every other distro. How is this progress? Format. |
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| 18:08.11 | rohan | robin_sz: no idea .. never used ooo much. but i think all the "major" distros should have it working. fc, ubuntu, suse. i am very surprised that debian has it b0rken |
| 18:08.32 | rohan | robin_sz: try !simple sid backport if you want to compile ooo on your etch box |
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| 18:08.38 | rohan | !tell robin_sz -about simple sid backport |
| 18:08.41 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: uh... what version of debian? |
| 18:08.50 | Dave_is_sexy | 4 Etch |
| 18:08.52 | h3sp4wn | Dave_is_sexy: You selected desktop enviroment (or some such) with tasksel) |
| 18:08.53 | abrotman | it does not |
| 18:09.01 | rohan | though ooo is by no means simple :D |
| 18:09.20 | robin_sz | ooo 2.2 is in Sid? |
| 18:09.25 | rohan | robin_sz: yes |
| 18:09.29 | robin_sz | right |
| 18:09.32 | blaembel | anybody here who are experienced with using patches and wants to check my patch before i submit it? |
| 18:09.38 | Dave_is_sexy | well i wanted a desktop environment of some sort. it doesn't say " Gnome desktop environmet". It says "Desktop Environment". |
| 18:09.47 | rohan | sid now has all the cool stuff :( kde 3.5.6, ooo 2.2 and so on |
| 18:09.51 | uptownben | how can I boot my system with no USB support? any GRUB switch I can use? |
| 18:09.51 | Dave_is_sexy | Where's the application chooser? |
| 18:09.51 | bragon | ping -f sarkozy.fr |
| 18:09.55 | rohan | blaembel: what is it a patch for ? |
| 18:10.05 | Dave_is_sexy | XFCE isn't even on the disk! |
| 18:10.07 | rohan | uptownben: disable usb in bios / |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:10.19 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:10.30 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: I always get ntfs read support when I install Debian. |
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| 18:10.37 | blaembel | rohan: it's just a small patch to update an outdated uri in the nsCookieService.cpp file of the iceweasel package |
| 18:10.46 | Dave_is_sexy | of course i would use apt to install xfce, except my wireless card isn't even acknowldeged as existing |
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| 18:10.54 | rohan | blaembel: ah, sorry, can't test it :) not on debian atm |
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| 18:11.22 | blaembel | rohan: ok |
| 18:11.49 | rohan | how come there are two "branches" of iceweasel ? because there is iceweasel 2.x in debian, but 1.x in gnu site |
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| 18:12.10 | Dave_is_sexy | and speaking of apt, the ONLY program I want from the vast DVD 1 repository is SeaMonkey. And they've ruined that with their stupid re-branding fiasco. Where is the science stuff? Worst distro ever |
| 18:12.29 | Dave_is_sexy | zenit_: well aren't you lucky |
| 18:12.39 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: why not do a base install and just install the stuff you want later on |
| 18:12.42 | rohan | ? |
| 18:12.44 | abrotman | have you tried http sources ... |
| 18:13.04 | Dave_is_sexy | rohan: because i have no internet to get the stuff i want |
| 18:13.12 | JosefAssad | oh, I didn't know attitude got results in here. Shame... |
| 18:13.19 | Daveman | haha |
| 18:13.28 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: not really, I just mount ntfs partition and it just works out of the box. You can specify -t ntfs if you want to. |
| 18:13.33 | zenit_ | s |
| 18:13.40 | rohan | JosefAssad: so, why are you sick of ubuntu ? if you don't mind telling :) |
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| 18:13.55 | knoxy | hi all.. how can I do to enable mysql support to maildrop 2 ? |
| 18:13.59 | Dave_is_sexy | zenit: yes i know that. in every other distro. not so in my dire dire debian 4 |
| 18:14.02 | stoned | just the way they have thier stuff |
| 18:14.05 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: well, then you can do apt-get --print-uris install foo bar and then save the list it prints, and use that to download whenever you can ? |
| 18:14.14 | stoned | i dunno, I also tried ubuntu for a while and I can't dig it |
| 18:14.14 | Daveman | abrotman, did you get flooded out, earlier? |
| 18:14.17 | stoned | i went back to deb |
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| 18:14.55 | Dave_is_sexy | rohan: or i could download a package which is miles easier |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | Daveman: nope |
| 18:15.08 | ruben | Hi, why using tar xvfp file does not work? I am root and I have the same perms as normal user? why? |
| 18:15.11 | Daveman | hehe |
| 18:15.19 | ruben | I am root su - |
| 18:15.21 | Daveman | abrotman, get rained on earlier in the week? :p |
| 18:15.26 | ruben | not only su |
| 18:15.28 | robin_sz | rohan, I'll try the version from ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/680/2.2.0-RC4 ... less hassel than compiling hte thing from suorce |
| 18:15.41 | Dave_is_sexy | how the hell do i get it to acknowledge my wireless card. where is the hardware manager? |
| 18:15.53 | dclarke | hello . I am searching for a Debian ISO image but can not find one. I look here http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/etch/ and keep finding small things for net boot but not a real insat ll ISO image. Am I searching in vain and such a thing does not really exist ? |
| 18:16.06 | Daveman | ;p |
| 18:16.06 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: which wireless card is it ? |
| 18:16.08 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, wireless support in debian and linux generally, is a bit embryonic |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | Daveman: yeah .. but just a lot of rain |
| 18:16.13 | Dave_is_sexy | dclarke: go to debian.org |
| 18:16.16 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: there's no hardware manager. lspci should list your card |
| 18:16.19 | Daveman | haha, well said |
| 18:16.28 | Daveman | abrotman, yeah |
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| 18:16.33 | rohan | dclarke: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 18:16.35 | dclarke | been there .. it points to mirrors |
| 18:16.37 | Daveman | abrotman, it got pretty bad here :\ |
| 18:16.40 | rohan | robin_sz: ah well :-s |
| 18:16.41 | stoned | this is exactly why i don't fuck with wifi NIC |
| 18:16.52 | abrotman | Daveman: i heard |
| 18:16.54 | Daveman | apparently WAY worse up north |
| 18:16.55 | stoned | i just got another wifi router, and wired my machines to the 4 port switch |
| 18:16.57 | Daveman | yeah |
| 18:16.59 | stoned | made it a client |
| 18:17.04 | Daveman | and here I though floyd was the worst ;p |
| 18:17.09 | stoned | no headaches with drivers |
| 18:17.12 | Daveman | remember that? |
| 18:17.18 | valdyn | !find ipw2200.ko etch |
| 18:17.19 | Dave_is_sexy | yes well i hate wifi too. it's baltently a beta protocol, but i kind of need it. |
| 18:17.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ipw2200.ko' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko) in contrib/admin/ipw2200-modules-2.6.18-4-486. |
| 18:17.34 | rohan | dclarke: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:17.51 | dclarke | joy |
| 18:17.53 | dclarke | http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:17.54 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: see, it's already in ther kernel |
| 18:18.03 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, as far as I know, debian doesnt have anyting liek the MS wireless networkign wizard thing ... you basically have to do an amoutn of command line work to log on to a passing network as far as I can figure it out |
| 18:18.05 | lhadji | To choose the gnome desktop dask during the install, do you require the CD 1? I only see the desktop enviroment to be able to install, which installs office and all that with gnome. What if i just want to install gnome with x ontop of 'standard system'? |
| 18:18.27 | stoned | cd1 should contain the gnome desktop iirc |
| 18:18.39 | lhadji | and the DVD doesn't?(What i've got) |
| 18:18.43 | Dave_is_sexy | robin_sz: that's fine, i've always just assembled a script to do that in the past and had it autorun |
| 18:18.47 | stoned | dvd should as well |
| 18:19.01 | valdyn | lhadji: tasksel offers shortcuts to package selections. If no task suits you, you can 'apt-get install gnome xorg' or similar later |
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| 18:19.16 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: check if you have /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/ntfs modules. If you do, then you can't really complain :) |
| 18:19.20 | stoned | what valdyn said is a better thing imo. I dislike tasksel |
| 18:19.26 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, yeah .. but a pain in the ass when, say, in a hotel and have to try and remeber all the iwconfig crap for changing channels and essid etc |
| 18:19.30 | dclarke | 4.0_r0 ?? |
| 18:19.34 | dclarke | what is etch ? |
| 18:19.38 | stoned | 4.0 |
| 18:19.42 | dclarke | current ? or this 4.0r0 ? |
| 18:19.44 | rohan | stoned: there are 3 cd1's .. one each for kde, gnome, xfce |
| 18:19.45 | x3n0_ | stable |
| 18:19.48 | lhadji | valdyn i understand that. Just wondering why on say CD version i can choose to install nothing but base and x with gnome. but on dvd if i want gnome i have to have open office |
| 18:19.48 | Dave_is_sexy | well i'm not taking this to any hotels any time soon |
| 18:19.52 | rohan | dclarke: current points to 4.0r0 iirc |
| 18:19.53 | dvs | dclarke: stable or 4.0r0 |
| 18:19.55 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, quite how a normal "click and drool" user is supposed to manage that I dont know |
| 18:20.04 | dclarke | oh .. their the same thing |
| 18:20.06 | dclarke | okay |
| 18:20.09 | stoned | because you have to look |
| 18:20.12 | stoned | !install gnome |
| 18:20.12 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:20.14 | valdyn | lhadji: i guess that's only because oo.org didnt fit on the first CD |
| 18:20.15 | ruben | where is liblame on debian?? |
| 18:20.21 | stoned | depends on the meta packages you install |
| 18:20.27 | rohan | i only wish debian had some better hardware support - like those laptop keys function out of box :( |
| 18:20.33 | x3n0_ | I'm building 2.6.20.7 atm |
| 18:20.43 | stoned | why gnome would install oo.o is beyond me, but maybe full gnome has it as recommended or depended |
| 18:20.45 | rohan | x3n0_: on etch ? why ? |
| 18:20.46 | stoned | i dunno |
| 18:20.46 | dvs | rohan: for all makes and models of laptops? |
| 18:20.56 | rohan | dvs: yes |
| 18:21.03 | valdyn | stoned: not gnome, the 'desktop environment' task |
| 18:21.04 | dclarke | I'm trying to make a bootable USB stick and I figure I need at least all of CD1 on there or maybe all of DVD1 |
| 18:21.09 | stoned | ohh |
| 18:21.09 | lhadji | valdyn, maybe so. hmm. |
| 18:21.11 | x3n0_ | my system is a total mess!!! |
| 18:21.14 | stoned | valdyn: thanks |
| 18:21.22 | dvs | rohan: good luck. a lot of manufactures make customizations of their own to the software |
| 18:21.22 | rohan | dvs: i know i'll be flamed, but ubuntu, fc, suse, etc etc all do it |
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| 18:21.33 | rohan | dvs: yes, to blame are the manufacturers |
| 18:21.43 | dvs | dclarke: you only need the netinst iso |
| 18:21.44 | rohan | which is why most of the times suspend/hibernate won't work out of box too |
| 18:21.56 | stew | rohan: if you can figure out what they are doing that we aren't, please file bugs noting what can be improved: (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
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| 18:22.01 | valdyn | rohan: debian has support for this, and hibernate, but it does require you to 'apt-get install' stuff |
| 18:22.13 | stew | rohan: these days, suspend/hibernate should pretty much work out of th ebox |
| 18:22.13 | stoned | acpi>? |
| 18:22.18 | rohan | valdyn: ah, can you please point me to a guide or so ? |
| 18:22.20 | stoned | hi stew |
| 18:22.21 | rohan | stew: i'll do that |
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| 18:22.25 | stew | stoned: hi |
| 18:22.29 | valdyn | rohan: to do what exactly? |
| 18:22.31 | x3n0_ | i'm not on etch / lenny / sid ... |
| 18:22.35 | dclarke | so confused .. |
| 18:22.39 | dclarke | whats debian-40r0-i386-businesscard.iso ?? |
| 18:22.40 | rohan | support for laptop multimedia keys, valdyn |
| 18:22.43 | stoned | stew: im on debian again!! |
| 18:22.44 | stew | rohan: echo "mem" > /sys/power/state ; should suspend |
| 18:22.45 | rohan | volume up, volume down etc |
| 18:22.46 | stoned | :D |
| 18:22.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how can I play the last.fm radio stations with firefox? it just seems to work with IE |
| 18:22.55 | dvs | dclarke: that is the netinst without the base install |
| 18:22.56 | stew | stoned: 'bout time :) |
| 18:22.59 | rohan | stew: yes, about suspend i read the dpkg factod too :) |
| 18:23.01 | valdyn | rohan: use apt-cache search, laptop brand matters |
| 18:23.09 | Dave_is_sexy | why can't i complain if i have ntfs listed. it doesn't work. i'd say that's pretty sh*t for a big distro |
| 18:23.11 | dclarke | dvs : will that allow me to install the rest of the os ? |
| 18:23.16 | valdyn | rohan: ( at least in some cases ) |
| 18:23.24 | dvs | dclarke: yes, but you MUST have a working network card |
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| 18:23.27 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you be more specific than "doesn't work"? |
| 18:23.28 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: negativity begets negativity. chill out |
| 18:23.30 | dvs | one that works with Debian |
| 18:23.36 | Dave_is_sexy | it says it can not be read |
| 18:23.43 | rohan | valdyn: ok. there is an acer_acpi module. but i guess changing keyboard layout to trust direct acess does it. |
| 18:23.46 | tarzeau | dclarke: what says file debian-40r0-i386-businesscard.iso ?? |
| 18:23.52 | dclarke | dvs : okay .. I have dual Broadcom gigabit .. they should be fully supported |
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| 18:23.55 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is it, and exactly what does it say? and what are you going when it says that? |
| 18:24.04 | rohan | valdyn: but again, that's not as user friendly as other distros (i know, though, that the aim of debian is not be to like them) |
| 18:24.05 | dvs | dclarke: think so |
| 18:24.12 | dclarke | dvs : I'm a total noob at this .. so .. forgive me |
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| 18:24.20 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: do you have a plain ntfs partition, or a dynamic volume? |
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| 18:24.27 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: maybe install mplayer-mozilla? |
| 18:24.30 | dvs | dclarke: i'd rather have the netinst to be honest |
| 18:24.31 | dclarke | dvs : debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is the right way to go .. I'll get that also |
| 18:24.33 | Dave_is_sexy | well it was 3 words with that meaning. i'd have to reboot to get the exact words, which i expect are the same |
| 18:24.40 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: check dmesg and with cfdisk to be really sure. |
| 18:24.41 | dclarke | dvs : I'll get that |
| 18:24.41 | Dave_is_sexy | zenit: plain |
| 18:24.44 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: btw, if you're on debian, then you shouldn't have firefox :) |
| 18:25.03 | x3n0_ | iceweasel ;) |
| 18:25.06 | Dave_is_sexy | speaking of cfdisk. where can i get it as a bootable image? |
| 18:25.08 | stoned | i play last.fm through amarok |
| 18:25.12 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you get an error when you are trying to mount an ntfs drive? |
| 18:25.13 | dvs | dclarke: no, that happens when you try and get sound working. ;-) |
| 18:25.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, well iceweasel, I still dont lose the custom |
| 18:25.27 | valdyn | rohan: its fine with me, if you dont like it, file a bugreport or even better submit a patch / package doing what you want |
| 18:25.28 | Dave_is_sexy | no it mounts fine. just doesn't read |
| 18:25.28 | dclarke | dvs : I don't need sound .. only a working serial port for console |
| 18:25.40 | dclarke | dvs : and mono |
| 18:25.43 | rohan | valdyn: ok, i will try my best |
| 18:25.45 | x3n0_ | making new bzImage ... :s |
| 18:25.45 | dclarke | dvs : and mono and Postgresql |
| 18:25.46 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: how does last.fm stream it out? try install mplayer and mplayer-mozilla |
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| 18:25.50 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what do you mean? what command fails? |
| 18:25.51 | dvs | mono?!? |
| 18:25.54 | stoned | or some other mozilla player |
| 18:25.57 | dclarke | mono |
| 18:26.00 | valdyn | rohan: google usually will find a neat guide for debian for many laptops |
| 18:26.02 | dclarke | its not my idea |
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| 18:26.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, ..doing it right now |
| 18:26.09 | rohan | what is the problem with berlios ? why is it not opening from so many days ? |
| 18:26.11 | dclarke | someone else higher up wants it |
| 18:26.20 | rohan | valdyn: yes, and once it's configured and working, it never breaks :) |
| 18:26.35 | valdyn | rohan: heh, i wouldnt say that.. |
| 18:26.37 | roland | if my mail server is not open relay i cant send and receive mail from/to outside my domain ? |
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| 18:26.48 | valdyn | roland: wrong |
| 18:26.53 | rohan | valdyn: well, usually it doesnt ;) |
| 18:27.01 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: what do you mean that it doesn read? Does dmesg say anything? Can you enter the mounted directory and list files, or is it just empty? |
| 18:27.01 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: let's say you try the enormously advanced task of trying to access a ntfs volume. maybe by clicking on the desktop icon, maybe by anyother way. it says it cannot be read, with a little red icon |
| 18:27.19 | valdyn | roland: no one needs a completely open relay, some people make one by mistake |
| 18:27.28 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: why do you think accessing an ntfs volume is enormously advanced? |
| 18:27.30 | roland | well i use athentication |
| 18:27.31 | uptownben | can anyone point me to a good doc on upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 18:27.39 | Dave_is_sexy | zenit_ :fstab is fine. it just SIMPLY doesn't work |
| 18:27.41 | abrotman | uptownben: the releasenotes are a good place |
| 18:27.41 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: get into console and mount the ntfs with mount -t ntfs /dev/blahblahdrivehere /mount/point |
| 18:27.44 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: sarcasm |
| 18:27.45 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you access it from the command line? |
| 18:27.46 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: well, can you enter the mountpoint as root? ntfs mounts by default 0700 if I remember correcty |
| 18:27.58 | valdyn | roland: your mail server should only relay mail destined to you |
| 18:27.59 | Dave_is_sexy | stoned: it's already mounted as read only |
| 18:28.04 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you get an error message? or just a little red icon? |
| 18:28.10 | valdyn | roland: ( or outgoing mail coming from you ) |
| 18:28.10 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: then you need to modify your permissions |
| 18:28.14 | Dave_is_sexy | both |
| 18:28.15 | roland | valdyn: to me and my users |
| 18:28.20 | valdyn | roland: yea |
| 18:28.22 | jetscreamer | !tell Dave_is_sexy -about read-ntfs |
| 18:28.22 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what error message do you get? |
| 18:28.34 | x3n0_ | guys ... how do i make my new kernel bootable? && how do I use my current HW profile? I'm a little lost here ... ( 1st kernel build for ages! ) |
| 18:28.36 | roland | its a public email server and i want to create accoutns for other ppl and they send and receive mail with webmail interface |
| 18:28.36 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: if it is mounted and you can't access it, its a permission problem. usually you have to specify uid0222 or something |
| 18:28.40 | stoned | !ntfs |
| 18:28.40 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 18:28.44 | stoned | read the first link |
| 18:28.51 | Dave_is_sexy | well why? why aren't the permissions normal to start with? who though it would be a good idea to make everything shit as default? |
| 18:28.52 | stoned | it has directions on exactly how to mount and with which options |
| 18:29.02 | rohan | http://suspend.sourceforge.net/ ---> is this package in debian already ? i don't know whether to search using that "mu" symbol or no. or otherwise, are there unofficial packages available for it ? |
| 18:29.08 | Dave_is_sexy | stones: i know how to mount |
| 18:29.08 | dclarke | what was that ? |
| 18:29.31 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: don't be a dick. |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: if you don't like debian .. don't use it |
| 18:29.31 | stoned | we're trying to help you |
| 18:29.31 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: what in your opinion are normal permissions? That's a matter of definition. |
| 18:29.34 | dclarke | !mono |
| 18:29.35 | dpkg | [mono] a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 18:29.38 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: please keep it constructive? |
| 18:29.40 | blaembel | ok, now the bug report is sent to submit@bugs.debian.org. thanks for helping out! |
| 18:29.51 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: there's channels that are nicely suited for whining about debian, THIS one isnt it. |
| 18:29.53 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: are you actually looking for help? if so, you are going to have to give us some actual details |
| 18:29.56 | roland | valdyn: for some reason , my mail server fails to send emails to outside adresses.. i can only use it to email internally among users of my domain, and if i send email from outside to my server, it never gets in, what does this mean whats wrong? |
| 18:29.59 | rohan | wow, that was what i looking for, from a long time ! thanks to dpkg i now know how to access ntfs as non root ! |
| 18:30.04 | x3n0_ | Dave_is_sexy, TTFN / RTFM! |
| 18:30.26 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: for instance, what defaults do you think are incorrect? |
| 18:30.40 | valdyn | roland: firewall and misconfiguration |
| 18:30.47 | valdyn | roland: i cant say more w/o specific info |
| 18:30.53 | roland | ive got no firewall |
| 18:31.08 | Dave_is_sexy | if a hard drive is recognised and automatically mounted for a user, then that hard drive should be readable. if it is not to be readable it should not be automatically mounted. welcome to the world of logic. something apple mac and windows got to over a decade ago |
| 18:31.13 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: btw, problem isn't with how debian defaults mount options for ntfs, problem is with NTFS itself |
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| 18:31.19 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 18:31.19 | valdyn | roland: maybe you also want to rerun dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:31.33 | roland | valdyn: can you please login to my web administration site and see whats wrong ? no im not using exim, im using a commercial package |
| 18:31.36 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: instead of whining, umount it, and mount it again with correct options |
| 18:31.38 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you put the output of "mount" into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:31.41 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: stop wasting all our time |
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| 18:31.46 | valdyn | !stfu Dave_is_sexy |
| 18:31.47 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP Dave_is_sexy! |
| 18:31.51 | Dave_is_sexy | stoned: i know all about ntfs, and about captive which is a fantastic project despite the hate mobs for it |
| 18:31.54 | stoned | yo, chill |
| 18:31.59 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: are you here just to rant ? |
| 18:32.00 | zenit_ | Dave_is_sexy: was it added automatically to fstab, or did you add it yourself? |
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| 18:32.09 | stoned | if you know all about it then you can't seem to mount it |
| 18:32.14 | stoned | hooooookayyyy |
| 18:32.16 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, nothing:( |
| 18:32.24 | Dave_is_sexy | stoned: it is mounted |
| 18:32.31 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: hmm.. i dunno how last.fm streams its radio man |
| 18:32.31 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: how is the partition listed in /etc/fstab ; how is it mounted now |
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| 18:32.43 | abrotman | or mtab ? |
| 18:32.45 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: please show us the output of "mount" so that we can see how it is mounted, use a pastebin |
| 18:32.57 | stew | sure, or mtab |
| 18:32.59 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: try umm.. xmms? |
| 18:33.09 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: does last.fm radio use shout/ice cast or something?> |
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| 18:33.28 | abrotman | lastfm just uses lastfm :) |
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| 18:33.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:34.00 | HardDisk_WP | does dd create a full cd image with all subchannels etc? |
| 18:34.02 | teksimian | jetscreamer; apparently the proper procedure is to download the .diff .orig and .dsc and run dpkg-source and dpkg-buildpackage on it |
| 18:34.15 | vook | ho/clear |
| 18:34.17 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: i think so, excluding any copy protections if any |
| 18:34.20 | stoned | iirc |
| 18:34.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, http://www.last.fm/listen/user/gonzaloaf/personal |
| 18:34.44 | stew | teksimian: "apt-get source pkgname" will download those for you, "apt-get -b source pkgname" will also build it for you (/msg dpkg source) |
| 18:34.45 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: how? how how, oh how? debian has no internet, so i cannot post the results here. i didn't even ask how to mount or access the ntfs drives i can do all that. i just mentioned that it sucked that the defaults are to show the things but make them inaccessible. that is illogical. i asked how to get my wireless card acknowledged |
| 18:34.47 | roland | anyone used axigen mail ? |
| 18:34.52 | HardDisk_WP | stoned, so it doesnt include broken sectors and all the other copyright shit? |
| 18:35.15 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: and you were told by valdyn that the required module is already in the default kernel |
| 18:35.15 | stoned | Dave_is_sexy: so basically you're just complainin/whining |
| 18:35.19 | stoned | you're not looking for support |
| 18:35.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, can you listen to my radio? |
| 18:35.23 | rohan | stoned: lol, bulls eye |
| 18:35.24 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: im trying |
| 18:35.25 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you could run that command and get the results in to a file. or you could ask us questions about getting your wireless working |
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| 18:35.40 | teksimian | steve; woo! that was useful to know |
| 18:35.44 | Dave_is_sexy | rohan: if the modules are in the kernal, why weren't they loaded? hmm? |
| 18:35.47 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: i'm trying hard to help you here, but you seem to not want to work with me to get help. Are you here to get help or just complain? |
| 18:35.48 | repyskichboarder | hello |
| 18:35.57 | alleyoopster | anyone know how to set beep to sound when nick is matched in irssi? |
| 18:35.58 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: why can't you modprobe them yourself, just to check ? |
| 18:36.02 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: which modules? |
| 18:36.03 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: and how would i get that file into windows? |
| 18:36.07 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: which cardw as it, again ? |
| 18:36.15 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: a floopy disk? a usb disk? |
| 18:36.21 | JosefAssad | rohan: apologies for the delayed response around ubuntu |
| 18:36.21 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: ah, see |
| 18:36.24 | Dave_is_sexy | winbond er, something or other. |
| 18:36.27 | rohan | JosefAssad: no problem :) |
| 18:36.32 | rohan | !tell Dave_is_sexy -about ipw2200 |
| 18:36.37 | vook | how could I prevent all module related messages from spewing out to my console? (I'm being flodded with "SoftMAC, blahblah" whenever my broadcom module is loaded). (authentication response...but no queue item exists." messages (bcm43xx) any help would be great, this annoys the crap out of me. :) |
| 18:36.44 | rohan | did you get a pm from dpkg , Dave_is_sexy ? |
| 18:36.44 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: which network card are you trying to get working? |
| 18:36.55 | rohan | stew: ipw2200 i think |
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| 18:37.03 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: winbond card |
| 18:37.04 | rohan | JosefAssad: so, the reply is ? |
| 18:37.08 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: you're playing falco? |
| 18:37.09 | JosefAssad | rohan: bugs here and there, some of them with no fix in sight. And some of them are REALLY annoying. Feisty doesn't shutdown properly, for instance. I have to hold the power button down. |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | those cards should work in linux .. without a problem |
| 18:37.16 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: i can hear it in the last.fm player |
| 18:37.21 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: im using konqueror |
| 18:37.24 | repyskichboarder | I'm trying to install monodevelop but during the installation i return that this package will be removed: util-linux tzdata (because of util-linux). Can I continue? |
| 18:37.26 | rohan | JosefAssad: oh, but i experience that in debian too. dunno why |
| 18:37.28 | JosefAssad | rohan: apart from the fact that I wasn't able to deal with the community. |
| 18:37.38 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: iceweasel crashes on me won't even start up so now i gotta figure out wtf is the problem |
| 18:37.43 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' " return? |
| 18:37.46 | rohan | JosefAssad: ah :) |
| 18:37.51 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: Winbond W89c33 |
| 18:38.01 | JosefAssad | rohan: I don't mind getting messy; linux since 2000. |
| 18:38.03 | pdf | can someone come test somnething in my chan plz. |
| 18:38.26 | Dave_is_sexy | er, well i will add it to my 'to do' list using pen and paper and tell you later |
| 18:38.28 | x3n0_ | what? |
| 18:38.35 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: huh? |
| 18:38.38 | rohan | JosefAssad: ah. then ? |
| 18:38.40 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: give me a moment and i'll it in iceweasel/firefox for you |
| 18:38.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, what is using konqueror to listen that? |
| 18:38.44 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: so you don't actually want help with this now? |
| 18:38.45 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: nice music though :) |
| 18:38.48 | JosefAssad | rohan: thus, debian is an option. I would prefer not to have to delve in and get messy since I have enormous work pressure, but if I have to I will. And that binary blob fiasco shuttleworth perpetrated is just pushing me closer to debian again |
| 18:38.50 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3336 might help |
| 18:38.52 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: the last.fm player |
| 18:38.57 | stoned | i think its a java applet or osmething |
| 18:38.58 | stoned | i dunno |
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| 18:39.02 | stoned | i dunno what they use |
| 18:39.06 | mettallicat | hello ! |
| 18:39.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, no listening falco right now... but it is music that I have listened before |
| 18:39.21 | JosefAssad | rohan: long story short, ubuntu so long as it was going to genuinely make y life easier. Now that it is tossing bugs at me, I balk. |
| 18:39.27 | mettallicat | i've a problem with networkmanager and my rt2500 Wifi card |
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| 18:39.49 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: if you can suggest a way i log into irc before i get my network card working, i would love to hear it |
| 18:39.54 | rohan | JosefAssad: me too .. though i hardly use any restricted drivers (no nvidia / ati), i'd rather not have them installed by default. and face it, long time linux users (like me too) always want to tinker _Some_ things |
| 18:39.58 | rohan | ;) |
| 18:40.16 | stoned | endless sarcasm, horrible attitude |
| 18:40.23 | stoned | im surprised people are still helping Dave_is_sexy |
| 18:40.45 | JosefAssad | rohan: wish I had time to tinker nowadays... :) Oh well, maybe in the next job |
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| 18:40.45 | stoned | sigh |
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| 18:40.46 | JosefAssad | stoned: touche |
| 18:40.48 | dvs | stoned: he hasn't mentioned the "u" word yet. ;-) |
| 18:40.49 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: as you know you cannot. get the information and come back then |
| 18:40.53 | rohan | Dave_is_sexy: to make a long story short, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=361247&highlight=winbond |
| 18:40.59 | mettallicat | networkmanager detects my wifi network but cant get ip configuation from dhcp, but if i made a simple dhclient ra0 it just works ... weird stuff |
| 18:41.02 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: is there anything we can actually help you with now? or are you just here to complain? |
| 18:41.05 | x3n0_ | sod it ... the new kern is b0rkd! |
| 18:41.07 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: please drop the attitude |
| 18:41.20 | rohan | mettallicat: can you paste you /etc/network/interfaces file somewhere ? |
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| 18:41.40 | mettallicat | rohan, pastebin.ca is good ? |
| 18:41.44 | rohan | no problem |
| 18:41.54 | stoned | man what the SHIT!!!! |
| 18:42.06 | rohan | stoned: huh ? |
| 18:42.09 | x3n0_ | i'll just dld the deb packages |
| 18:42.10 | stoned | iceweasel ran from cli, no output, but no window either |
| 18:42.20 | stoned | ps return no pids for iceweasel |
| 18:42.25 | stoned | i can't figure out whats going on |
| 18:42.38 | stoned | no errors nothing |
| 18:42.40 | Xenguy | stoned: top ? |
| 18:42.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, :( |
| 18:42.59 | mettallicat | rohan, here you got http://pastebin.ca/453048 |
| 18:43.01 | JosefAssad | stoned: got a core dump in $PWD? |
| 18:43.09 | stoned | nope |
| 18:43.17 | stoned | thats what I'm saying man no output at all |
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| 18:43.38 | Xenguy | stoned: check CPU and memory with top |
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| 18:43.47 | stoned | ok fineally |
| 18:43.48 | stoned | http://www.last.fm/listen/user/gonzaloaf/personal |
| 18:43.50 | stoned | doh |
| 18:43.53 | stoned | 13373 ? Sl 0:09 /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox |
| 18:44.00 | stoned | but i don't see a window or nothin |
| 18:44.08 | Dave_is_sexy | rohan: interesting. but that post is unreferenced. |
| 18:44.11 | stoned | im in htop right now |
| 18:44.14 | stoned | all looks fine |
| 18:44.14 | Xenguy | stoned: I'd kill -9 it |
| 18:44.23 | stoned | Xenguy: tried it and restarted the program |
| 18:44.29 | stoned | no dice |
| 18:44.34 | JosefAssad | stoned: before running iceweasel, try killing any running instances (which might not be visible) |
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| 18:44.39 | rohan | mettallicat: iirc, add a line called "auto eth1" or so .. you should check out /usr/share/doc/networkmanager/README.Debian |
| 18:44.41 | mettallicat | rohan, my wifi interface is eth2 |
| 18:44.43 | stoned | i'll do it again |
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| 18:44.50 | stoned | i doubt it will work but hey lets give it a shot |
| 18:44.59 | Xenguy | stoned: it will work |
| 18:45.07 | rohan | mettallicat: then add "auto eth2" and below it "iface eth2 inet dhcp" |
| 18:45.12 | rohan | but do read that file first, mettallicat |
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| 18:46.02 | stoned | Xenguy: ok i did what you suggested. ran iceweasel in cli, no output, it didn't go back to prompt, but no browser |
| 18:46.06 | mettallicat | rohan, thks |
| 18:46.07 | mettallicat | brb |
| 18:46.10 | rohan | np |
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| 18:46.34 | Xenguy | stoned: what JosefAssad said... |
| 18:46.34 | stoned | i killed all firefox-bin and all iceweasels |
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| 18:46.45 | stoned | then i did what i said |
| 18:46.52 | Xenguy | stoned: you need to kill any related processes first (pkill firefox && pkill iceweasel) |
| 18:46.53 | stoned | now its just stuck in cli no output no window |
| 18:47.01 | stoned | let me see whats going on |
| 18:47.06 | Xenguy | stoned: after that re-invoke |
| 18:47.13 | rohan | stoned: gdb, and attach to it ? |
| 18:47.18 | Xenguy | stoned: if that doesn't work I don't know what to think |
| 18:47.39 | xand | maybe it doesn't like your profile? try renaming it |
| 18:47.50 | xand | does it work as a different user? |
| 18:47.58 | stoned | ahh fuck |
| 18:48.01 | stoned | zombies!! |
| 18:48.02 | stoned | :( |
| 18:48.05 | stoned | heh |
| 18:48.16 | rohan | bye all, bbl :) |
| 18:48.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, I can listen to the last.fm radio with ephiphany web browser but not in iceweasel :( |
| 18:49.00 | Xenguy | stoned: ps fauxw |less -im |
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| 18:49.12 | Xenguy | stoned: and search for 'Z', then kill the parent process |
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| 18:49.51 | Xenguy | or maybe just less with no options |
| 18:51.16 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I find what plugins is using epiphany to play a stream? (the last.fm stream) |
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| 18:53.05 | xand | what program does the etch installer use to create encrypted partitions? |
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| 18:54.58 | Farhadix | How I can make Etch's CDs from its DVDs? |
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| 18:55.46 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, did you find the problem? |
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| 18:56.01 | Farhadix | How I can make Etch's CDs from its DVDs? |
| 18:56.15 | dvs | !tell Farhadix -about repeat |
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| 18:57.54 | grim | ok, so what happened to the devhelp-book-* packages? |
| 18:58.29 | jetscreamer | i know suse has that capability but i've never seen anything for that in debian |
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| 18:58.54 | jetscreamer | but that was from the .iso's even, iirc |
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| 19:01.39 | _ac3_ | Hi |
| 19:01.51 | mark_s | Hi, I often see the command 'dpkg-reconfigure' . How do I know with what programms I can use thei command? |
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| 19:02.05 | _ac3_ | Is here ayone using git to download/compile the latest kernel ? |
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| 19:03.38 | abrotman | _ac3_: tried #kernel ? |
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| 19:04.20 | _ac3_ | abrotman: no, good idea:) |
| 19:05.53 | xoz | mark_s: any package you installed you can reconfigure. enable bash_completions |
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| 19:06.23 | militant | heh, got enough users here? :D |
| 19:06.33 | dvs | militant: no, we need 1000 |
| 19:06.37 | militant | lol |
| 19:07.14 | Farhadix | is there a way to create etch's cds from dvd? |
| 19:07.14 | militant | ok. so something i don't get. gnome control panel and xset m both fail to affect my mouse speed. synaptics touchpad on a dell laptop, if that makes any difference. ideas? |
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| 19:07.17 | militant | err wait |
| 19:07.17 | militant | brb |
| 19:08.19 | avtobiff | militant, try tpconfig or synclient or something. |
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| 19:10.12 | militant | avtobiff: ok, looking into it |
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| 19:12.35 | roland | hi |
| 19:12.45 | roland | how do i get the autoconfiguration program for exim4 mta |
| 19:12.55 | Farhadix | tnx for your answer! |
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| 19:14.58 | roland | how do i get the autoconfiguration program for exim4 mta |
| 19:15.02 | roland | eximconfig or something |
| 19:15.11 | azeem | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config or so |
| 19:15.13 | dvs | roland: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 19:15.33 | roland | ty ty |
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| 19:17.15 | jetscreamer | it's exim4-config |
| 19:17.48 | roland | yeah |
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| 19:18.23 | Drk_Gu1 | Hy, i am really using Ubuntu, but considering Ubuntu is based on Debian i can get help here too |
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| 19:18.32 | azeem | Drk_Gu1: nope, sorry |
| 19:18.34 | dvs | Drk_Gu1: nope |
| 19:18.34 | Esters | !ubuntu |
| 19:18.34 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:18.34 | azeem | please ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:18.36 | jetscreamer | no you can't |
| 19:18.41 | jetscreamer | as you can see |
| 19:19.00 | jetscreamer | Drk_Gu1: you might consider trying debian though |
| 19:19.01 | Drk_Gu1 | Ok, so not asking in this channel allowed |
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| 19:19.11 | Drk_Gu1 | Debian is too big |
| 19:19.21 | dvs | Drk_Gu1: but it works |
| 19:19.32 | jetscreamer | it's the same, jsut weirdness gets added for yours |
| 19:19.46 | jetscreamer | seriously, no flame |
| 19:19.48 | ak70 | hi, was xserver-xorg-core 1.3.0 in unstable compiled so that "dri" was loaded by default? |
| 19:19.51 | Drk_Gu1 | And it has tons of progs |
| 19:19.58 | mark_s | xoz: sorry was out for a moment. About dpkg-reconfigure: so if I type dpkg-reconfigure and hit tab twice the system list al the progs I can use the command on? |
| 19:20.08 | jetscreamer | more like 'basically the same package base' |
| 19:20.15 | ak70 | I can not use nvidia driver with it |
| 19:20.20 | jetscreamer | wonder where it comes from... |
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| 19:21.22 | jetscreamer | ak70: http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 19:21.42 | h3sp4wn | ak70: use nvidia-glx/experimental |
| 19:22.08 | h3sp4wn | (8xxx doesn't support the Xorg in sid) |
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| 19:22.39 | jetscreamer | esp the second post |
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| 19:23.48 | h3sp4wn | ak70: working fine for me (without causing you unnecessary grief due to the nvidia installer) |
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| 19:24.02 | roland | can courier imap server use mailbox or only maildirs? |
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| 19:24.25 | roland | i setup my exim to use mailbox |
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| 19:25.01 | jdavis_ | I've got all my devices booting by UUID now. The one thing left though is GRUB: if the device names can change on reboot, then how do I tell grub which one is the rootfs? |
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| 19:25.38 | osirisx11 | help request: the mute button on my laptop does not light up when muted |
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| 19:26.21 | roland | can courier imap server use mbox or only maildir ? i have exim set to use mbox /var/mail |
| 19:26.27 | dvs | jdavis_: iirc, grub has it's own identifier of drives so it shouldn't matter if the drives change for linux. |
| 19:26.34 | roland | on courier homepage says 'courier is imap for maildir' |
| 19:27.00 | jdavis_ | dvs: Ok, so if my root works correctly this time it should always work? |
| 19:27.17 | dvs | jdavis_: yes |
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| 19:28.10 | jdavis_ | dvs: ok, thanks. It looks like I'm set up then. |
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| 19:28.31 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: grub would use what the bios would boot first from so its not an issue |
| 19:28.47 | dvs | jdavis_: no prob |
| 19:28.50 | jelly-home | roland: fwiw, dovecot can use either mbox or Maildir |
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| 19:28.59 | stoned | man |
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| 19:29.05 | stoned | for the life of me i can't get iceweasel to run |
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| 19:29.15 | roland | jelly-home: huh ? |
| 19:29.30 | militant | alright, i tried synclient but i'm not sure how, even after reading the man page, to make my mouse actually *go* faster, instead of just spit out status data faster/slower |
| 19:29.30 | stoned | no output even in cli, just doesn't run, i see the pid |
| 19:29.45 | roland | whats dovecot |
| 19:29.45 | robin_sz | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:29.45 | robin_sz | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 19:29.46 | stoned | killled all iw pids and ff pids and tried to invoke again no dice |
| 19:29.47 | jelly-home | roland: it's yet another imap server |
| 19:29.50 | roland | ah ok |
| 19:29.51 | robin_sz | should I worry about that ^^ |
| 19:29.56 | roland | i'll get that then, thanks |
| 19:30.07 | robin_sz | and yes I did install the 2006 key |
| 19:30.31 | xingu | hmm, new nvidia beta driver eh |
| 19:30.37 | knoxy | hi all.. please, help me... how can I do to enable mysql support to maildrop 2? |
| 19:30.49 | jelly-home | gpg: key ADB11277: "Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" not changed |
| 19:31.14 | robin_sz | jelly-home, so what does that error mean to me then? |
| 19:31.18 | robin_sz | shoudl I worry? |
| 19:31.25 | jelly-home | robin_sz: it means you don't have _that_ one |
| 19:31.29 | robin_sz | oh |
| 19:31.32 | keram | has anyone set up ssh x11forwarding on a debian server? |
| 19:31.34 | robin_sz | can I buy it? |
| 19:31.42 | dvs | heh |
| 19:31.47 | keram | i'm getting a cannot display error when i try to run a program on the client |
| 19:31.50 | robin_sz | keram, yes, many |
| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | robin_sz: sure, I'll send it for only $10 :-D |
| 19:32.05 | robin_sz | jelly-home, ach, I'll make one of my own ;) |
| 19:32.08 | keram | what do i need to do on the server in order for the client to connect properly? |
| 19:32.19 | jelly-home | robin_sz: but not with that same fingerprint! |
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| 19:32.36 | robin_sz | jelly-home, I'll make a few until I get a matching one |
| 19:32.39 | keram | $ gvim |
| 19:32.40 | keram | E233: cannot open display |
| 19:32.43 | jelly-home | robin_sz: heh |
| 19:33.04 | lostson | if i was gonna install debian today what desktop would be most recommended gnome or kde ? |
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| 19:33.19 | dvs | lostson: you want to start a war? |
| 19:33.21 | jelly-home | lostson: whichever you like |
| 19:33.24 | keram | in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file i set X11Forwarding to yes |
| 19:33.28 | robin_sz | ok, etch key installed |
| 19:33.30 | keram | but i'm not sure if i restarted the sshd properly |
| 19:33.32 | roland | the mail incoming server is a imap/pop3 server and a outgoing server is a smtp mta right ? |
| 19:33.36 | keram | i couldnt find sshd in /etc/init.d |
| 19:33.38 | lostson | no no war just curious on people's ideas |
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| 19:33.50 | jelly-home | roland: when configuring a mail client, yes |
| 19:33.58 | dvs | lostson: KDE but I'm not an idiot! |
| 19:34.11 | jelly-home | lostson: xfce :-> |
| 19:34.14 | lostson | never said you were and thank you |
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| 19:34.32 | roland | jelly-home : and in practice the one who sends email is still the mta and the one who handles mail to mua is still a imap/pop3 server no ? |
| 19:34.38 | robin_sz | lostson, its the normal assumtion thats all |
| 19:34.42 | dvs | lostson: I didn't mean it that way. Just refering to Linus' opinion |
| 19:34.54 | lostson | hehe yeah i remember reading that |
| 19:35.27 | aubade | Is there any way to change the resolution of X after you've already started a session? |
| 19:35.29 | robin_sz | dvs, i am sure there are some non-idiots who use KDE, so relax, one of them is you :) |
| 19:35.34 | jelly-home | roland: MTAs both send and receive mail. MTAs talk to other MTAs. server -> mua is pop3/imap, yes |
| 19:35.46 | keram | i just did /etc/init.d/ssh restart and it still doesnt work |
| 19:35.47 | dvs | ... |
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| 19:35.53 | keram | robin_sz, u have any ideas? |
| 19:36.00 | roland | jelly-home , yes but my point was that a mua cant acces directly the mta, it has to get its mail from a imap/pop3 server |
| 19:36.07 | SerajewelKS | why is kqemu in nonfree in etch? |
| 19:36.11 | roland | so it sees it as incoming server |
| 19:36.17 | robin_sz | keram, loads! |
| 19:36.21 | stoned | I am on sid. I have latest iceweasel installed. When I run it from CLI, I get absolutely no output whatsoever. I can however see the PID for firefox-bin running. I do not also see any iceweasel browser windows. I have cleared out ~/.mozilla and still no dice. Any ideas? |
| 19:36.23 | robin_sz | keram, about what for example? |
| 19:36.33 | lostson | well i used the kde iso and have kde running |
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| 19:36.36 | lostson | was just curious |
| 19:36.57 | SerajewelKS | stoned: if iceweasel was already running, it opened another window on the display it was running on |
| 19:37.05 | lostson | is gnome 2.18 in testing or unstable |
| 19:37.07 | \amethyst | stoned: what if you do iceweasel -safe-mode ? |
| 19:37.10 | jelly-home | roland: aye, mta is not for getting the mail from it. Usually. :-) |
| 19:37.21 | x3n0 | kernel keep panicing |
| 19:37.21 | stoned | I've tried pertty much everything |
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| 19:37.29 | roland | actually the mda stores the mail in the mdir/mbox and the imap/pop3 presents it to the mua |
| 19:37.35 | stoned | I have killed all iceweasel/firefox pids and started again. same thing |
| 19:37.36 | dvs | stoned: echo $DISPLAY ? |
| 19:37.39 | roland | something like this no? |
| 19:37.39 | stoned | iet me try safe mode |
| 19:37.41 | jelly-home | roland: you got it right |
| 19:37.49 | roland | ok thanks |
| 19:38.01 | keram | robin_sz, getting x11 forwarding |
| 19:38.04 | keram | to work |
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| 19:38.40 | jelly-home | !mail tutorial |
| 19:38.40 | dpkg | well, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 19:38.51 | robin_sz | keram, ok lets go through it |
| 19:39.01 | stoned | dvs: 0.0 |
| 19:39.14 | robin_sz | keram, so .. you have a server somehere and a laptop or soemthing, right? |
| 19:39.15 | dvs | hmmmm... so it's not that. |
| 19:39.34 | keram | yep |
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| 19:39.51 | stoned | oh |
| 19:39.52 | stoned | dvs thanks |
| 19:39.57 | robin_sz | keram, you ssh to the server from the laptop and expect to be able to do xeyes or whatver and run the prog on the server, see the display on the laptop |
| 19:40.02 | stoned | just realized I haven't hooked up my 2nd monitor |
| 19:40.07 | stoned | I used to have a dual head before i moved |
| 19:40.07 | stoned | doh! |
| 19:40.10 | stoned | i got it back |
| 19:40.10 | keram | robin_sz, yeah |
| 19:40.11 | stoned | :D |
| 19:40.11 | robin_sz | err, ssh from latop to server |
| 19:40.13 | robin_sz | right |
| 19:40.23 | stoned | i had to change my resolution from 3200x1200 to 1600x1200 |
| 19:40.25 | stoned | i got it back now |
| 19:40.27 | keram | yeah |
| 19:40.29 | keram | from laptop to server |
| 19:40.34 | stoned | damn i seriously need to get high man |
| 19:40.41 | stoned | i feel retarded while sober |
| 19:40.42 | dvs | stoned: so, it was showing up on the monitor that wasn't hooked up? That's funny! |
| 19:40.42 | stoned | gah! |
| 19:40.52 | robin_sz | keram, so you set XForwarding to yes and did a /etc/init.d/ssh restart on the server, right? |
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| 19:40.59 | keram | yes |
| 19:40.59 | stoned | i deleted my settings and stuff for no reason |
| 19:40.59 | stoned | fuck |
| 19:41.02 | stoned | :( |
| 19:41.02 | keram | robin_sz, yes |
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| 19:41.15 | robin_sz | keram, then logged out and back in agaisn over ssh? |
| 19:41.21 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: ok whats the url for your radio? i have iceweasel running now |
| 19:41.22 | keram | robin_sz, yes |
| 19:41.33 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: I can check now if you'd like |
| 19:41.36 | robin_sz | keram, and you have an X client running on the local laptop? |
| 19:41.40 | keram | yes |
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| 19:41.51 | robin_sz | keram, and you are ssh'ing as the same user that started the client? |
| 19:41.56 | keram | does X11DisplayOffset 10 have to be set to yes on the server as well? |
| 19:42.42 | robin_sz | err |
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| 19:43.07 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, http://www.last.fm/listen/user/gonzaloaf/personal |
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| 19:43.09 | keram | i'm not sure abou tthat last question |
| 19:43.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, I think it uses flash plugin |
| 19:43.25 | iwkse | hi, anybody know if there's a patch for that bug? http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648 |
| 19:43.37 | robin_sz | keram, on your laptop, echo $DISPLAY |
| 19:43.40 | iwkse | an btw(fuck off ati) |
| 19:43.53 | keram | robin_sz, ':0.0' |
| 19:43.55 | FirstLite | Anyone know if etch has a GUI tool to insert and eject PCMCIA cards, like that old "cardinfo" program in woody? |
| 19:43.59 | x3n0 | I need to find either the src / headers for 2.6.19 :( |
| 19:44.16 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: true, it does use flash and stuff |
| 19:44.21 | x3n0 | otherwise no fglrx :( |
| 19:44.22 | xand | FirstLite: that's physically impossible! |
| 19:44.23 | stoned | now i need to install flash again |
| 19:44.24 | stoned | lol |
| 19:44.28 | stoned | i deleted my .mozila dir |
| 19:44.28 | robin_sz | keram, and then SSH to the remote box and do the same echo |
| 19:44.28 | kosachev | Hi, anybody know where i can find iptables's ipt_iplimit module for debian etch (2.6.18-4-686) ? |
| 19:44.43 | jelly-home | xand: *snicker* |
| 19:44.43 | robin_sz | should be localhost:10.0 |
| 19:44.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, :p |
| 19:44.50 | jdavis_ | My computer boots perfectly once past GRUB, but if the devices are renamed grub will try to boot the wrong one (unless it happens to be renamed matching the root option passed to GRUB). |
| 19:44.53 | iwkse | x3n0: you're running on sid? |
| 19:45.02 | keram | robin_sz, '' just an empty line |
| 19:45.04 | x3n0 | kkind of |
| 19:45.05 | FirstLite | xand: (I mean _logically_ insert/eject, not _physically_ :) ) |
| 19:45.14 | robin_sz | oh |
| 19:45.16 | robin_sz | keram, thats bad |
| 19:45.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, just apt-get the plugin |
| 19:45.26 | iwkse | x3n0: so it wont work anyway, look at the link i pasted |
| 19:45.28 | keram | robin_sz, :/ |
| 19:45.38 | jdavis_ | Should I not pass a kernel parameter using GRUB? If I don't, how does it know which one to boot? |
| 19:45.40 | robin_sz | keram, wairt ... you did do ssh -X <remote host> |
| 19:45.43 | dvs | jdavis_: and I said that you can use the grub way (ie (hd0,1)) to specify where the root and boot parts are |
| 19:45.44 | robin_sz | the -X is importanrt |
| 19:45.48 | keram | robin_sz, yes |
| 19:45.52 | x3n0 | passted where? |
| 19:45.53 | robin_sz | big X |
| 19:45.54 | keram | robin_sz, i did -X |
| 19:45.57 | robin_sz | not lickle x |
| 19:46.00 | iwkse | http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648 |
| 19:46.05 | keram | robin_sz, yes, the big X |
| 19:46.13 | h3sp4wn | jdavis_: I am just using - kopt=root=UUID=46175744-127e-4dc3-a120-8fb7b74afdde ro |
| 19:46.14 | jdavis_ | dvs: Oh, I see. I think I'm passing the root as a kernel parameter |
| 19:46.16 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: "Oops! We had a problem connecting" |
| 19:46.27 | jdavis_ | h3sp4wn: Oh, ok, that's what I need |
| 19:46.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, :o to where? |
| 19:46.33 | robin_sz | keram, hmm ... ok, do ssh -vvvvv -X <remotehost> |
| 19:46.38 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: your radio link |
| 19:46.39 | dvs | jdavis_: that's usually the way it works? ;-) |
| 19:46.46 | epsilon | is it possible a PGP key does not have an eMail address? |
| 19:46.57 | FirstLite | xand: I mean like "cardctl eject" |
| 19:46.58 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: just a report :P the plugin seems to work fine; I assume it's flash? |
| 19:47.00 | keram | robin_sz, okay i'm connected |
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| 19:47.07 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: hmm, kernel can do root=UUID= and root=LABEL= ? |
| 19:47.12 | x3n0 | iwkse, I see |
| 19:47.12 | keram | robin_sz, it outputted a lot of things before it prompted me for the password though |
| 19:47.22 | keram | robin_sz, then a lot after i put in the password |
| 19:47.25 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, I do can load that url, what messsage do you receive? |
| 19:47.29 | keram | robin_sz, then it connected |
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| 19:47.42 | x3n0 | so no 3d acceleration for now ... :( |
| 19:47.44 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: definately the first (I changed my system to UUID just this afternoon) |
| 19:48.17 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: well, it says it's buffering the audio, but then it gave that connection problem message. Is it using some weird port that I need to unblock? |
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| 19:48.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, uhmmmm I'm really dont know |
| 19:48.48 | robin_sz | keram, look for the following lines: debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 2>/dev/null |
| 19:48.49 | robin_sz | debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 19:49.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, try listening another user's radio? |
| 19:49.08 | iwkse | x3n0: if that bug can be fixed, it will works again |
| 19:49.22 | keram | robin_sz, okay give me some time heh |
| 19:49.27 | x3n0 | i wonder if the redeon drivers will allow berryl to run ... ? |
| 19:49.28 | iwkse | x3n0: though seems to be a stupid bug, but ati devs aren't so cute |
| 19:49.46 | iwkse | x3n0: you could, but slowly with aiglx |
| 19:50.05 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: It is possible that it is the initramfs though |
| 19:50.08 | robin_sz | keram, actualy try ssh -vv -X ... its in the level 2 debug .. slightly less crap to wade through |
| 19:50.08 | x3n0 | i curse the day i bought the ati based laptop! |
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| 19:50.20 | x3n0 | nothing but trouble! |
| 19:50.23 | robin_sz | x3n0, get nvidia next time, way better! |
| 19:50.31 | iwkse | x3n0: yes, that's wrong to buy something from ATI |
| 19:50.31 | jelly-home | x3n0: intel! |
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| 19:50.36 | x3n0 | will be |
| 19:50.38 | iwkse | x3n0: intel would be the best |
| 19:50.43 | robin_sz | nah. |
| 19:50.49 | robin_sz | no opengl support |
| 19:50.52 | iwkse | x3n0: but problem is.. |
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| 19:51.02 | iwkse | ATI cards, imho are the best |
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| 19:51.04 | jelly-home | robin_sz: OpenGL works fine on me i915 |
| 19:51.07 | iwkse | support sux like hell |
| 19:51.08 | x3n0 | my system is AMD |
| 19:51.10 | x3n0 | :( |
| 19:51.11 | iwkse | and drivers of course |
| 19:51.17 | keram | robin_sz, i found debug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 2>/dev/null |
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| 19:51.25 | robin_sz | jelly-home, thats not real opengl, most of that is doen in sw |
| 19:51.40 | robin_sz | jelly-home, the nvidia FX2500 do it all on the card |
| 19:51.43 | Sweetandy | Is there some keyboard shortcut for switching directly to, for example, workspace 3, or workspace 4? I know about C-M-Left and C-M-Right |
| 19:51.45 | keram | robin_sz, and i found: debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing. |
| 19:51.47 | x3n0 | its an old bit of kit really |
| 19:51.53 | iwkse | vn: i'm talking about quality of video cards |
| 19:51.55 | jelly-home | robin_sz: but they use evil closed drivers! |
| 19:51.56 | keram | is that all? |
| 19:51.59 | robin_sz | keram, so it looks right |
| 19:52.06 | iwkse | vn: not about how junks are developers |
| 19:52.07 | robin_sz | jelly-home, yeah, so what? |
| 19:52.08 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: I wonder if part of the problem is in the apostrophe in the url, gonzaloaf's Radio Station -- when I copied/pasted the url into my console, I get gonzaloaf?s Radio Station |
| 19:52.17 | xand | Sweetandy: depends on your WM etc |
| 19:52.22 | keram | robin_sz, i suppose? |
| 19:52.42 | robin_sz | keram, hmm .. and both the ssh server and client are up to date? |
| 19:52.42 | jelly-home | robin_sz: so there! |
| 19:52.46 | Vasistha | Sweetandy: try ctrl+alt+3 |
| 19:52.53 | Sweetandy | Vasistha - Nope. |
| 19:52.57 | robin_sz | jelly-home, whatever |
| 19:52.58 | keram | robin_sz, yes i believe so |
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| 19:53.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Vasistha, the url is http://www.last.fm/listen/user/gonzaloaf/personal |
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| 19:53.20 | Shadur | xorg seems to have shit a brick since my latest upgrade - it's refusing to load the nvidia driver. Claims it can't find it, but nvidia_drv.o is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers |
| 19:53.21 | x3n0 | AMD64 3000+ | 1Gb DDR2 | 60Gb HDD | ATI 9600 (M10) 128Mb GPU ... |
| 19:53.21 | robin_sz | keram, do an apt-get update to be sure on both boxen |
| 19:53.25 | Vasistha | gonzaloaf_laptop: yeah, I'm looking at the embedded object code ;-) |
| 19:53.28 | sandman | Anyone know how to fix this error when trying to start Totem?: can't create mcop directory |
| 19:53.34 | keram | robin_sz, okay |
| 19:53.40 | h3sp4wn | Shadur: sid ? |
| 19:53.50 | Shadur | Yah. |
| 19:53.57 | h3sp4wn | Shadur: use nvidia-glx/experimental |
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| 19:54.37 | Shadur | What's the apt source I need for that again? Normally, I'd look it up but right now I'm stuck in console mode. |
| 19:55.29 | h3sp4wn | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian experimental non-free |
| 19:55.33 | robin_sz | keram, you'll need to do apt-get install ssh<blah> to make it actually install them after thr update thing, or just do an apt-get upgrade and bring everything up to date |
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| 19:55.53 | keram | robin_sz, okay |
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| 19:56.08 | jdavis_ | h3sp4wn, dvs: thanks guys, everything is device-independent for me now and works great. |
| 19:56.11 | Poeld | hi guy...i have a problem....after black out my server is slow...10 minuts for start!! how can i resolv this problem? |
| 19:56.21 | h3sp4wn | Shadur: remember you need nvidia-kernel-source first (and to build the module) |
| 19:56.37 | dvs | jdavis_: you used the UUID? |
| 19:56.37 | Shadur | Okay, and I needed to set a default pin value so it doesn't automatically upgrade everything I have to experimental, right? |
| 19:56.51 | Shadur | h3sp4wn: Yeah, I know. I can handle that bit. :) |
| 19:56.55 | jdavis_ | dvs: I used the UUID for the kernel root= parameter |
| 19:57.05 | dvs | ok |
| 19:57.06 | robin_sz | oh, look at that, the topinc for #debian-oo is still the one lilo set it to ... |
| 19:57.15 | xingu | jdavis_: what did you use for swap ? |
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| 19:57.25 | Vasistha | Poeld: that's probably because it's doing an fsck, which is probably a good thing. |
| 19:57.35 | jdavis_ | xingu: Someone (perhaps you) suggested to re-mkswap, and now it has a UUID |
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| 19:57.43 | jdavis_ | xingu: And I use the UUID for that |
| 19:57.49 | jelly-home | Shadur: nope, packages from experimental aren't automatically upgradeable |
| 19:57.54 | xingu | jdavis_: cheers |
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| 19:58.06 | alanhaggai | How to turn off suspend/hibernate in Debian Etch? |
| 19:58.10 | jdavis_ | I have no /dev/sd* in my fstab or grub :) |
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| 19:58.20 | Poeld | what's the right sintax? i tried reiserfsck /dev/hdc but he end in 1 seconds without output |
| 19:58.23 | xingu | jdavis_: does update-grub now choke? :) |
| 19:58.24 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: you want to disable it? |
| 19:58.40 | Shadur | jelly-home: Ah, good. |
| 19:58.41 | jdavis_ | xingu: no, should it? It seems to work fine. |
| 19:58.52 | Vasistha | Poeld: you need to specify a partition number |
| 19:58.53 | jelly-home | Shadur: I still have i |
| 19:58.53 | jdavis_ | xingu: I put it in the comment from which the entries are built. |
| 19:59.12 | Poeld | vasistha: i tried...it's equal |
| 19:59.12 | jelly-home | Shadur: it pinned to a very low number, for completeness sake |
| 19:59.24 | h3sp4wn | 1 |
| 19:59.34 | jdavis_ | xingu: in menu.lst: "# kopt=root=UUID=..." |
| 19:59.56 | ebbs | Hi. When I first installed etch on my PC, all the things were automounted (without autofs). Now I must mount all the devices manually... Why this? |
| 20:00.02 | xingu | jdavis_: mmm; was thinking about some other grubisms but gotta go. |
| 20:00.02 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: Yes |
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| 20:00.18 | jdavis_ | xingu: thanks for the help |
| 20:00.31 | streuner | Shadur: there is another way |
| 20:00.57 | streuner | Shadur: 'simple sid backport' and make a unstable package out of it ;-) |
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| 20:01.10 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: you know, if you're using a DE, there's probably a graphical configuration tool to select parameters for when it automatically sleeps -- e.g. if you're running on batteries, and it gets down to 5%, you'd probably want it to suspend. |
| 20:01.25 | ebbs | what changed since the installing and how can I regain this function? |
| 20:01.29 | jdavis_ | I have another question also: I have some qemu images and I'd like to mount a filesystem within their virutal "drive". Is there an easy way to do that? Like to descend into the virtual drive to mount a partition? |
| 20:01.58 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: The problem is, whenever I shutdown and then start the PC again, the programs that I had left open will start again when the PC boots. |
| 20:02.19 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: what DE are you using? |
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| 20:03.06 | iwkse | Andrew..are you here? |
| 20:03.24 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: DE? |
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| 20:03.29 | keram | robin_sz, okay i updated both boxes |
| 20:03.35 | streuner | !de |
| 20:03.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:03.36 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: kde, gnome, xfce, ??? |
| 20:03.40 | ebbs | Who can I make the usb devices to be mounted automatically? |
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| 20:03.43 | robin_sz | keram, and? it works now? |
| 20:03.49 | keram | robin_sz, no.. |
| 20:03.51 | stoned | I have ttf-dejavu installed, but X (any application) is unable to see DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf, and can only see DejaVu Serif.ttf |
| 20:03.53 | robin_sz | pooh |
| 20:03.55 | stoned | any ideas? |
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| 20:03.58 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: KDE |
| 20:04.13 | keram | :/ |
| 20:04.20 | robin_sz | keram, if $DISPLAY is not set onthe remote box, it wont workl |
| 20:04.30 | keram | robin_sz, it is not set when i login |
| 20:04.32 | robin_sz | keram, this is not sshing as root is it? |
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| 20:04.52 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: what's happening is that your session is being saved and resumed. It has nothing to do with suspension/hibernation. I believe it's possible to disable sessions. Look around kcontrol, the kde control panel |
| 20:04.52 | keram | robin_sz, no i am sshing as a regular user |
| 20:04.57 | doc|| | who install flash 9 on Debian AMD64 ? |
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| 20:05.29 | robin_sz | keram, and runing ssh from an xterm or similar in the X enviroment of your laptop |
| 20:05.35 | robin_sz | keram, not a tty? |
| 20:05.38 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: Ok. I will have a look there. |
| 20:05.49 | keram | robin_sz, yes from an xterm in the X environment of my laptop |
| 20:05.55 | robin_sz | hmmm |
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| 20:06.09 | robin_sz | keram well, you are fucked then :) |
| 20:06.16 | Vasistha | Poeld: I don't have any experience with reiser; my only knowledge of it I trust to /msg dpkg reiserfs -- but have you checked the manpage? Also, I don't know how relevant manually doing an fsck right now is. If you're concerned about regular power outages, *especially* if you're using reiser, you ought to consider a UPS |
| 20:06.28 | robin_sz | keram, you seem to have doen the Right Things, |
| 20:06.38 | Shadur | Okay, that's gotten things working again. Thanks. |
| 20:06.42 | jelly-home | wow, this channel has more people than before the oftc move |
| 20:06.46 | keram | robin_sz, are there any packages i need to have installed on the server? |
| 20:06.58 | streuner | jelly-home: more idler ;-) |
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| 20:07.11 | streuner | jelly-home: pretty normal after release... |
| 20:07.20 | jelly-home | streuner: ah. |
| 20:07.20 | robin_sz | keram, no, not really .. so long as say, xeyes is isntalled it should have all it needs |
| 20:07.30 | robin_sz | so it should work remotely |
| 20:07.33 | keram | xeyes is instaleld on th server u mean? |
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| 20:07.36 | concept10 | anyone have a windows box running right now? Im wondering what alt+f2 does |
| 20:07.43 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 20:07.46 | robin_sz | keram, for exmaple, or whateber app you want to use |
| 20:07.54 | robin_sz | concept10, I do |
| 20:07.54 | keram | oh ic |
| 20:07.54 | randomity | concept10: nothing |
| 20:08.01 | robin_sz | concept10, wait, too late crashed |
| 20:08.02 | tarzeau | concept10: alt-f4 activates the tetris_ |
| 20:08.18 | Harzilein | i have a problem with xorg and the nvidia binary driver, i had it before but can't remember how i solved it: |
| 20:08.23 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: Yes. It's in KControl Centre. :) |
| 20:08.38 | concept10 | whats the shortcut for the run dialog? (im writing a article for debian potd) |
| 20:08.39 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: Thank you very much :) |
| 20:08.54 | concept10 | (shortcut in windows) just curious |
| 20:08.55 | Vasistha | alanhaggai: ah, yeah, looks like you want "start with an empty session" -- you're welcome |
| 20:09.13 | alanhaggai | Vasistha: Yes. |
| 20:09.25 | Harzilein | when x starts, it claims it can't find the nvidia xorg driver, strace says that while getdents on the driver directory returns 4 entries, a stat64 on the file nvidia_drv.o returns ENOENT (while the file really is there) |
| 20:09.29 | Vasistha | concept10: in kde, it's alt+f2. In windows I think it might be window key + r. Ask ##windows |
| 20:09.53 | robin_sz | keram, so long as you have installed at least one X capable application on the server, any other X related packages it neds should be there |
| 20:09.55 | Harzilein | any ideas how this can be caused and how to get xorg to find the nvidia driver again? |
| 20:10.01 | jelly-home | Vasistha: hm, alt-f2 in xfce too |
| 20:10.10 | keram | robin_sz, hmm |
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| 20:10.37 | concept10 | jelly-home: thanks for posting that |
| 20:10.50 | ebbs | Is there another way to make usb devices automount, then mentioning the devices in fstab with the auto option? |
| 20:10.58 | ebbs | than |
| 20:11.04 | keram | robin_sz, what is another x capable app that i can install |
| 20:11.09 | keram | robin_sz, besides xeyes |
| 20:11.13 | robin_sz | umm |
| 20:11.17 | concept10 | jelly-home: does the run dialog in xfce have tab completion? |
| 20:11.21 | jelly-home | keram: xdpyinfo ? |
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| 20:11.32 | xoz | !tell ebbs about automount |
| 20:11.52 | keram | it doesnt come up on an aptitude search xdpyinfo |
| 20:11.56 | robin_sz | keram, xmessage |
| 20:12.05 | Harzilein | keram: apt-get install apt-file |
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| 20:12.08 | jelly-home | concept10: nope, tab moves the focus to next widget (it's a gtk+ window) |
| 20:12.09 | robin_sz | keram, xchat |
| 20:12.12 | robin_sz | etc |
| 20:12.38 | keram | let me try installing xchat |
| 20:12.44 | Harzilein | keram: aptitude search only searches package metainfo, to search package contents you need apt-file |
| 20:12.54 | concept10 | jelly-home: okay, thanks |
| 20:12.54 | stoned | gonzaloaf_laptop: your radio works in firefox too, it uses the flash player.. did you ever figure that out |
| 20:12.55 | keram | ohh |
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| 20:13.44 | Vasistha | stoned: were you able to get an audio stream? |
| 20:13.58 | stoned | yes |
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| 20:14.13 | stoned | i should setup an extreme death metal only radio :) |
| 20:14.14 | keram | $ xchat |
| 20:14.14 | keram | (xchat:24155): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 20:14.19 | keram | :/ |
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| 20:14.22 | jelly-home | keram: xbase-clients has a number of small X apps, xclock is one of them |
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| 20:14.26 | stoned | Vasistha: there is no shockwave player for linux is there? |
| 20:14.34 | DaWorm | is there a console-tool to parse an xml-file? I want to read miltiple configuration from an xml file. Or is there an alternative to write down konfiguration propertys? |
| 20:14.43 | DaWorm | for shell scripting |
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| 20:15.16 | stoned | Vasistha: i've got flash installed and it works on websites but when i go to a page in google by searching flash test, on adobe's page, no plugins found |
| 20:15.19 | xoz | !tell DaWorm -about search |
| 20:15.20 | keram | couldnt find package xclock when i try to install it |
| 20:15.20 | stoned | im confused |
| 20:15.20 | jelly-home | keram: sounds like you didn't enable forwarding properly and the DISPLAY env. variable isn't set |
| 20:15.28 | Vasistha | stoned: are you sure one doesn't already exist? (death metal station) heh. Re: shockwave, afaik flash and shockwave have been moving closer and closer together, so the linux flash player can do a lot of shockwave stuff now. I don't believe there's a real capable shockwave player, though |
| 20:15.45 | keram | jelly-home, i have to manually set the DISPLAY variable when i login with `ssh -X 192.168.2.12` |
| 20:15.53 | jelly-home | keram: then it doesn't work |
| 20:15.55 | stoned | Vasistha: well i mean my own radio on last.fm |
| 20:16.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | stoned, yep..... I just figure out also that in last.fm owners cannot listen to their own radios: "Due to licensing restrictions, you need to be a subscriber to listen to your personal station. You can use the code above to share it with others!" |
| 20:16.07 | stoned | Vasistha: http://www.last.fm/user/Nyle |
| 20:16.07 | keram | jelly-home, how do i make it auto set the variable? |
| 20:16.23 | jelly-home | keram: do you have X11Forwarding enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config server-side? |
| 20:16.33 | stoned | screw it, i'll run a shout/ice cast |
| 20:16.49 | keram | jelly-home, yes |
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| 20:17.04 | Sweetandy | Can I change my default browser? |
| 20:17.04 | xoz | keram: check /etc/ssh/ssh_config also |
| 20:17.10 | jelly-home | keram: restarted/reloaded the ssh daemon after enabling it? |
| 20:17.19 | xand | when you copy directories with rsync -a does it not apply timestamps to directories until after copying everything or what? or are they not maintained? |
| 20:17.20 | DaWorm | xoz: how can this be help-or useful? |
| 20:17.23 | jelly-home | xoz: why? |
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| 20:17.33 | mina_linux_Tux | is there a way/how to to install Debian on usb flash pen , and boot from it , my pc supports USB boot |
| 20:17.39 | stoned | I have ttf-dejavu installed, but X (any application) is unable to see DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf, and can only see DejaVu Serif.ttf |
| 20:17.44 | stoned | any ideas concerning this font issue |
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| 20:17.52 | keram | jelly-home, in ssh_config its commented |
| 20:17.53 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: yes! check the debian install guide, /msg dpkg i-g I think |
| 20:17.56 | tarzeau | stoned: bts? |
| 20:18.00 | stoned | nothing |
| 20:18.05 | tarzeau | stoned: i think someone else had the same problem today also |
| 20:18.08 | stoned | i filed a but a few months ago and I was told it was fixed |
| 20:18.11 | xoz | keram: enable forwarding also in the client |
| 20:18.20 | stoned | tarzeau: it was me under the nickname Nyle |
| 20:18.21 | stoned | :) |
| 20:18.26 | keram | xoz, on the client of the server? |
| 20:18.28 | tarzeau | stoned: haha |
| 20:18.31 | keram | or in the ssh_config of the client |
| 20:18.41 | tarzeau | stoned: try some other font meanwhile, say ttf-junicode or ttf-gentium? |
| 20:18.48 | xoz | keram: the one connecting to the server. |
| 20:18.58 | mina_linux_Tux | new system |
| 20:18.58 | DaWorm | I'm looking for an tool to read xml properties into shell script |
| 20:18.59 | jelly-home | keram, xoz: ssh_config matters only for client, and is overrideable from command line. I never touch it |
| 20:19.09 | xoz | keram: so the you need not use -X option |
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| 20:19.32 | jelly-home | xoz: there's a perfectly decent ~/.ssh/config file for that |
| 20:19.40 | valdyn | stoned: that font is fine here. on sid |
| 20:19.45 | xoz | jelly-home: i know |
| 20:19.47 | stoned | im on sid as well |
| 20:19.56 | keram | it still isnt setting $DISPLAY when i login |
| 20:20.01 | stoned | i even copied the condensed ttf over serif.ttf no dice |
| 20:20.02 | bwlang | jspwiki puts itself in /usr/share/java/webapps... why does tomcat5 not look there for webapps? |
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| 20:20.06 | stoned | that how i got around it last time |
| 20:20.09 | stoned | let me check bts agian |
| 20:20.15 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: ... is there a guide |
| 20:20.19 | jelly-home | keram: do you have xauth installed on the server? |
| 20:20.34 | Vasistha | !tell mina_linux_Tux -about i-g |
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| 20:20.50 | valdyn | stoned: xlsfonts | grep condensed | grep deja |
| 20:21.10 | DaWorm | xoz: now I understand. Thank s :) |
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| 20:21.17 | jelly-home | keram: in fact, have you followed all of "/msg dpkg sshx"? |
| 20:21.21 | keram | jelly-home, when i do aptitude search xauth it doesnt return anything |
| 20:21.31 | jelly-home | !tell keram -about sshx |
| 20:21.36 | keram | okay |
| 20:22.07 | xoz | keram: seems xauth issue as jelly-home said |
| 20:22.22 | keram | no i didnt have xbase-clients |
| 20:22.35 | iwkse | n/j #xorg |
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| 20:23.10 | x3n0 | I'm about to buy a new motherboard for my main system ... |
| 20:23.14 | x3n0 | :) |
| 20:23.20 | tarzeau | GIANT EELS! DUCK AND COVER |
| 20:23.26 | x3n0 | any suggestioons? |
| 20:23.27 | keram | ah! |
| 20:23.30 | stoned | valdyn: what im looking for here |
| 20:23.32 | keram | all i had to do was install xbase-clients! |
| 20:23.34 | keram | there we go |
| 20:23.36 | keram | its working |
| 20:23.42 | stoned | valdyn: i've got a list of all condensed fonts for dejavu in that list |
| 20:23.52 | valdyn | stoned: so that font is fine.. |
| 20:24.06 | stoned | but no apps are able to see it |
| 20:24.17 | valdyn | stoned: i think you're looking for an extra condensed font |
| 20:24.21 | keram | thanks everyone! |
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| 20:24.29 | valdyn | stoned: but condensed is just a style of the font |
| 20:24.30 | drwahl | x3n0: I just got an MSI board that seats an AMD64 X2 AM2, and i have been very happy with it |
| 20:24.35 | stoned | valdyn: DejaVu Serif Condensed.ttf is what I want |
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| 20:24.39 | stoned | its in the package |
| 20:24.49 | valdyn | stoned: doesnt matter which file is backing it |
| 20:24.53 | stoned | valdyn: that style is not being read |
| 20:25.03 | stoned | only 4 styles of it are being read |
| 20:25.10 | stoned | condense is not one of them |
| 20:25.11 | doudou1 | where can i get explained packages dependencies explained ? |
| 20:25.15 | valdyn | stoned: i see |
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| 20:25.34 | valdyn | stoned: sounds like an issue in your app if xlsfonts sees it |
| 20:25.42 | stoned | its all apps |
| 20:25.47 | x3n0 | drwahl, I ideally looking for something with a spec close to the TYAN Thunder n4250QE |
| 20:25.49 | stoned | in kde/gnome/X in general |
| 20:25.58 | stoned | nothing sees the condensed version |
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| 20:26.03 | stoned | style* |
| 20:26.16 | drwahl | any had any luck getting counter strike to run under linux? |
| 20:26.26 | drwahl | *any one |
| 20:26.31 | tarzeau | drwahl: you're like 5 years too late? |
| 20:26.37 | keram | what do i msg dpkg for if i want information on the merallat repository |
| 20:26.37 | stoned | lol |
| 20:26.44 | stoned | !dmm |
| 20:26.44 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 20:26.55 | stoned | other than w32codecs you shouldn' tneed it |
| 20:27.00 | stoned | now that mplayer is in debian |
| 20:27.03 | stoned | at least in sid |
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| 20:27.07 | Vasistha | doudou1: it's mostly about dynamic linking. When you compile a program with C, you can link it statically or dynamically. When you link it dynamically, that means you're relying upon libraries being installed on the machine where the program is run. When you link statically, the program can just run as a standalong binary, but it takes much more space! So most programs are linked dynamically, and thus they depend upon other packages being |
| 20:27.07 | Vasistha | installed. |
| 20:27.12 | drwahl | tarzeau: how so? |
| 20:27.19 | helo | i need to be able to boot into linux all the way |
| 20:27.23 | helo | err |
| 20:27.26 | stoned | !tell keram -about dpkgbot |
| 20:27.33 | militant | ok, i feel retarded. multiple googling and installing/swapping of packages... and for some reason i can't get flash to work. at least, google video and youtube claim |
| 20:27.35 | keram | thanks |
| 20:27.36 | helo | all the way without any display output whatsoever, until X starts |
| 20:27.41 | tarzeau | stoned: it's even in stable, mplayer |
| 20:27.47 | stoned | it is? |
| 20:27.48 | stoned | damn |
| 20:29.02 | helo | i would prefer there to be no overt signs of running linux at all |
| 20:29.02 | stoned | i didn't know that |
| 20:29.02 | lac | I installed kernel 2.6.18 and my ipw2200 wireless stopped working. I have downloaded new firmware from intel. I have hotplug. Where do I put my firmware? |
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| 20:29.03 | tarzeau | stoned: but it's got no mencoder |
| 20:29.03 | tarzeau | stoned: therefore: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 20:29.03 | Vasistha | keram: it's spelled, "marillat" |
| 20:29.03 | stoned | lac: just recompile the module for the new kernel i think |
| 20:29.03 | drwahl | militant: are you running 32bit or 64bit? |
| 20:29.04 | stoned | tarzeau: or marillat |
| 20:29.04 | helo_stoned | wth?! |
| 20:29.04 | militant | drwahl: 32bit |
| 20:29.04 | tarzeau | stoned: i don't like his packages (too split up) |
| 20:29.04 | doudou1 | Vasistha, thanks it is only librairies dependencies? what is generating conflics? how they are solved? when cant they be solved? |
| 20:29.04 | stoned | yeh |
| 20:29.04 | stoned | i just still use marillat repo |
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| 20:29.06 | wols | lac: /lib/firmware. |
| 20:29.07 | tarzeau | drwahl: it used to be fun, now it isn't anymore? |
| 20:29.16 | Vasistha | helo_stoned: I think what you want is some sort of boot splash; I'm not sure if that requires a kernel patch or what |
| 20:29.20 | stoned | i need to get this font issue solved |
| 20:29.22 | stoned | :( |
| 20:29.29 | wols | lac: hotplug is not needed in etch btw |
| 20:29.33 | tarzeau | drwahl: and it can't get a classic like nethack - no source, no free software, no native port |
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| 20:29.40 | wols | !splashy |
| 20:29.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, splashy is a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 20:29.44 | valdyn | stoned: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/screenshot5.png , just for comparison |
| 20:29.51 | valdyn | stoned: no idea what's wrong.. |
| 20:29.51 | tarzeau | !nurse stoned |
| 20:29.52 | drwahl | tarzeau: well, fun is in the eye of the beholder, the issue i am having is not whether or not it is fun, but whether it can run (i have heard that it can, but i am having issues) |
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| 20:30.01 | doudou1 | Vasistha, so when a man creates a program, mainly it depends on what is installed on his computer? and this creates dependencies to dynamic lib? |
| 20:30.11 | lac | wols: thank you. |
| 20:30.12 | Vasistha | doudou1: well, there are other sorts of dependencies as well. Conflicts arise sometimes when two different programs want to install different versions of the same library, or when they provide the same functionality in an exclusive way |
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| 20:30.30 | stoned | valdyn: yeh i can't see all those styles |
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| 20:30.46 | stoned | I only see 4 styles, regular/oblivuq/italic bold etc. etc. |
| 20:30.51 | stoned | no condensed anywhere |
| 20:30.52 | doudou1 | Vasistha, different versions of same lib !!! cool happy to understand that |
| 20:31.02 | militant | i just can't seem to get flash to work in-browser. iceweasel of course. every single flash item listed by apt-cache searching has been tried. |
| 20:31.02 | tarzeau | stoned: stop whining, this isn't #debian-sid |
| 20:31.20 | stoned | tarzeau: blow me. |
| 20:31.21 | jetscreamer | try fixed |
| 20:31.24 | valdyn | militant: you want flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:31.29 | tarzeau | !blow stoned |
| 20:31.32 | militant | valdyn: yes, but it refuses to install |
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| 20:31.50 | Vasistha | doudou1: it depends not on what is installed on his computer, but rather, on the tools he uses. If I write a program to display "Hello, World" in a little window on the screen, I will probably use someone else's "library" which displays the window on the screen, and then I'll write "Hello, World" in that window. If I dynamically link it, then you'll need to have that library of functions installed, which displays the window |
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| 20:31.57 | valdyn | militant: 'refuses' is useless, paste the error |
| 20:32.06 | militant | says it's unavailable, and is referenced by anotehr package |
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| 20:32.13 | stoned | jetscreamer: eh |
| 20:32.22 | stoned | don't like anything but condensed dejavu serif |
| 20:32.23 | stoned | :( |
| 20:32.26 | valdyn | militant: you need to add contrib non-free to your sources |
| 20:32.29 | militant | i have. |
| 20:32.30 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 20:32.31 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 20:32.34 | tarzeau | stoned: helvetica? futura? |
| 20:32.41 | stoned | none |
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| 20:32.48 | stoned | i only want this one font |
| 20:33.02 | doudou1 | Vasistha, is there family of programs (like all using python a gtk) and very coherent, and enougth for a light distrib? |
| 20:33.02 | stoned | nothing else appeals to me |
| 20:33.14 | jetscreamer | install the dejavu support package, or was it just fonts.. i forget |
| 20:33.22 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search dejavu |
| 20:33.25 | militant | hmmm lemme try different apt sources. |
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| 20:33.41 | valdyn | doudou1: sure, if you can sacrifice some functionality |
| 20:33.57 | valdyn | doudou1: many distros did this already |
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| 20:33.59 | Vasistha | doudou1: I don't really understand your question. Are you proposing a lightweight distribution should be constructed from programs that use a common set of libraries? |
| 20:34.01 | drwahl | wine i try to run steam under wine, there is no text in the windows. i donwloaded msttfonts, but that didnt seem to help. any other suggestions? |
| 20:34.28 | valdyn | drwahl: try #wine |
| 20:34.28 | Vasistha | drwahl: have you asked #wine ? |
| 20:34.31 | doudou1 | Vasistha, i learn by myself, and without teacher to ask ... i went to some misunderstanding of problems. |
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| 20:34.55 | doudou1 | Vasistha, yes something very coherent with less tools |
| 20:35.00 | valdyn | doudou1: distros have been made for any size down to probably 1.4mb |
| 20:35.05 | drwahl | there is no one in #wine :) i tried asking there already. i saw some one inhere the other day say that they got it working... |
| 20:35.12 | asarch | Does anybody here uses the IPW3945ABG wireless controller? |
| 20:35.24 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 20:35.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:35.27 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 20:35.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:35.32 | valdyn | !tell asarch -about ask |
| 20:35.35 | Vasistha | doudou1: yeah, like valdyn said ... heh, Tom's Root Boot is a great example ;) And of course there's damn small linux, and a variety of others |
| 20:35.41 | militant | i only use wine for IPS patching tools to hack old nes/snes roms and play neat-o versions of mario and zelda. heh. |
| 20:36.06 | doudou1 | valdyn, it is not only a size question, i trust what i can easily understand |
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| 20:36.28 | drwahl | well, i wanna try to get WoW and CS to work under linux (most likely via wine, or maybe cedega) |
| 20:36.48 | Vasistha | drwahl: again, these are better questions for #wine |
| 20:36.55 | xoz | drwahl: ot |
| 20:37.01 | tarzeau | drwahl: worked fine when i tried w/ wine many years ago |
| 20:37.04 | valdyn | doudou1: unix isnt easy to understand without huge background knowledge |
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| 20:37.12 | asarch | Well, I have a Toshiba laptop with its ethernet controller "burned" and with an Intel IPW3945ABG and I would like to know if Debian 4.0 has, by default, support for this wireless card |
| 20:37.15 | tarzeau | drwahl: but it even works better on windows |
| 20:37.18 | drwahl | interesting... ok, i will play with it some more |
| 20:37.21 | asarch | *ethernet port |
| 20:37.30 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: which iso i have to use if i have a 512 M memory stick and from where |
| 20:37.34 | drwahl | just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing something obvious |
| 20:37.46 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: use the net install |
| 20:37.48 | stoned | BINGO mother fucking BINGO!! |
| 20:38.00 | streuner | heh |
| 20:38.01 | Gerat | hey DrWahl, got a debian question for ya about a PwerMac 6400 |
| 20:38.01 | Vasistha | stoned: deja vu condensed? |
| 20:38.12 | drwahl | Gerat: yes? |
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| 20:38.14 | jelly-home | asarch: not by default. /msg dpkg ipw3945 |
| 20:38.15 | x3n0 | found the system i've been looking for! |
| 20:38.17 | stoned | tarzeau: valdyn: jetscreamer: I simply moved dejavuserifcondensed.ttf to dejavuserif.ttf |
| 20:38.20 | stoned | restarted X |
| 20:38.21 | stoned | and bingo |
| 20:38.26 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: from where i can get it |
| 20:38.26 | stoned | condensed fonts everywhere |
| 20:38.27 | stoned | :D |
| 20:38.39 | tarzeau | stoned: you're so the hero |
| 20:38.44 | jelly-home | stoned: you cheated! |
| 20:38.45 | tarzeau | !medal stoned |
| 20:38.46 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: and does it have a X mode |
| 20:38.47 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: any of the official mirrors, or bittorrent, is fine. There should be links in the install guide... otherwise ... debian.org and click download |
| 20:38.51 | stoned | hey |
| 20:38.58 | stoned | cheated pish tosh |
| 20:39.01 | stoned | i made it work |
| 20:39.07 | Gerat | I get debian install to boot, and I got the partitions all set up and hit the install kernel and driver modules and it continually askes for "powermac/images-1.44/rescue.bin" |
| 20:39.13 | Gerat | which are not on the debian install cd |
| 20:39.16 | doudou1 | valdyn, i understand, it is a strenth and a weakness too, some people like simple, to speak frankly if all was so simple and coherent as python. but i admit that most of my fears are inside me . Thanks for your explanations, learned a lot |
| 20:39.25 | x3n0 | http://www.vadim.co.uk/Custom+Nexus+AMD-Q1207-SLI/20655 |
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| 20:39.45 | keram | hey jelly-home or robin_sz, have u heard of a way to do something like ssh -X, except when you are sshing into a windows server? |
| 20:39.49 | x3n0 | aka the god machine |
| 20:39.50 | keram | or a windows box? |
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| 20:39.56 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: you mean, a graphical install? Yes, there is a graphical installer, although I haven't used it muself. Also, make sure you've read up on the USB installation procedures, as outlines in the install guide. I think you need to download those hd-media images in order to boot... I can help you find that vmlinuz and initrd.gz if you need |
| 20:40.06 | doudou1 | Vasistha, many thanks for your directs and simple explanations |
| 20:40.09 | keram | or is that too far out |
| 20:40.21 | jelly-home | keram: remote desktop connection? |
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| 20:40.27 | Vasistha | doudou1: you're welcome, and good luck! Are you running debian, or planning to install it, or what? |
| 20:40.27 | drwahl | Gerat: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/doc/ch-appendix.en.html |
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| 20:40.40 | keram | jelly-home, i suppose something like that |
| 20:40.57 | jelly-home | keram: rdesktop package |
| 20:41.03 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: the installation guide , says to use boot.img.gz |
| 20:41.03 | keram | ok |
| 20:41.53 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: it may be here: /msg dpkg hd-media |
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| 20:42.02 | jelly-home | keram: there are also GUI wrappers like grdesktop (GTK) and krdc for KDE |
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| 20:42.22 | keram | hmm |
| 20:42.28 | keram | jelly-home, so it will work similar to ssh -X? |
| 20:42.31 | Gerat | drwahl: so I have to download more then the netinst cd? that kind of sucks, but at least I'll have all the files for you when we do your 6500 |
| 20:42.54 | jelly-home | keram: it will work like remote desktop in windows, 'cause that's what it does |
| 20:43.04 | keram | okay |
| 20:43.06 | keram | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:43.08 | drwahl | Gerat: with any luck, maybe we can just copy your drive onto mine :) |
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| 20:43.32 | xoz | keram: you can install cygwin in windows to have ssh and X |
| 20:43.35 | Gerat | drwal: very true, very true, well gotta get back to the grind known as Physics |
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| 20:44.49 | jelly-home | xoz: that's an overkill, and still one can't forward windows apps over that |
| 20:45.13 | xoz | jelly-home: really overkill? |
| 20:45.40 | jelly-home | xoz: yes, unless the user can do something useful with a shell in windows |
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| 20:45.54 | jelly-home | xoz: cygwin is a pig. :-) |
| 20:46.10 | xoz | oh well |
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| 20:46.33 | fengor | xoz: google for putty ssh client it does X forwarding |
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| 20:46.43 | xoz | jelly-home: rdesktop allows only one user, right? |
| 20:46.48 | xoz | fengor: i know. |
| 20:46.50 | fengor | you still need to run an xserver on the client machine though |
| 20:46.55 | valdyn | xoz: no |
| 20:47.07 | gpm | need hummingbird |
| 20:47.09 | jelly-home | xoz: it depends on the Windows version and your licenses |
| 20:47.26 | jelly-home | gpm: cygwin/x or XMing work |
| 20:47.42 | gpm | jelly-home: haven't tried those...either of them free? |
| 20:47.44 | xoz | jelly-home: stupid license. i will go for vnc or cygwin... to run R or gnuplot or latex |
| 20:47.47 | jelly-home | gpm: both |
| 20:47.50 | gpm | nice |
| 20:48.01 | gpm | hummingbird is too big anyway |
| 20:48.16 | jelly-home | gpm: try xming if you don't need the whole of cygwin |
| 20:48.57 | gpm | yeah |
| 20:49.01 | gpm | i'm looking at it now |
| 20:49.03 | gpm | looks nice |
| 20:49.16 | jelly-home | xoz: windows 2003 allows two users, that's about enough for me to admin the machine and a user to poke around some windows-only software |
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| 20:49.57 | jelly-home | gpm: sure beats the $500 of eXceed :-) |
| 20:50.41 | fengor | and exceed isnt even that good imho |
| 20:50.42 | gpm | jelly-home: i get it for free through uc berkeley |
| 20:50.43 | gpm | :P |
| 20:50.47 | gpm | fengor: i agree |
| 20:51.03 | jelly-home | gpm: eh, good for you, I had to pirat^H^H^H^H^HI mean what? |
| 20:51.11 | gpm | haha |
| 20:51.18 | fengor | boss payed for me ;p |
| 20:51.23 | gpm | nice |
| 20:51.36 | stoned | my new boss is drop dead gorgeous |
| 20:51.44 | gpm | download that torrent only to find out it's no good |
| 20:51.51 | stoned | its not like she has huge titties or legs or an ass or none of that low level crap |
| 20:51.51 | jelly-home | stoned: of female persuasion? |
| 20:51.55 | stoned | shes just beautiful |
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| 20:52.07 | stoned | dude its almost painful looking at her shes is so good looking in the face |
| 20:52.10 | stoned | and nice body to boot |
| 20:52.12 | igreja | alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 20:52.18 | stoned | she is classy |
| 20:52.20 | xoz | stoned: ot |
| 20:52.23 | gpm | so is that how she got to be your boss |
| 20:52.25 | jelly-home | !pt |
| 20:52.25 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:52.27 | stoned | oh she runs debian too |
| 20:52.30 | stoned | its not ot |
| 20:52.31 | stoned | :D |
| 20:52.35 | gpm | haha |
| 20:52.38 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:52.53 | tarzeau | BANG BANG! BANG! |
| 20:53.03 | gpm | to quote digg: pics or it didn't happen |
| 20:53.28 | stoned | i think she is like from some islands south of india |
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| 20:53.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:53.42 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 20:53.44 | jelly-home | tarzeau: Eels?! Where? |
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| 20:53.50 | lac_ | great, the new firmware fixed my problem. One question. my wireless card is eth1 eth0 is a wire (not plugged in now). dmesg says ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready. What's ADDRCONF, and should I be configuring it to look for eth1 instead? |
| 20:53.52 | tarzeau | jelly-home: in nethack ;) |
| 21:00.01 | gpm | o/o |
| 21:00.01 | jelly-home | tarzeau: at least they weren't nymphs |
| 21:00.02 | OrangeRoot1k | i have looked online about checksums for files and can only find that aptitude does it automatically. how can i check the checksum of a file that is done independently of aptitude? |
| 21:00.03 | BUMBACL0T | who is 1001? that's root right? |
| 21:00.03 | BUMBACL0T | or that depends |
| 21:00.03 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you know how many thousands adlib music files exist? and they can all be played with adplay or opencubicplayer? |
| 21:00.03 | stoned | umm |
| 21:00.05 | tarzeau | jelly-home: sharks and kraken are much worse. ever got drowned? |
| 21:00.05 | tarzeau | BUMBACL0T: root is 0 |
| 21:00.06 | stoned | tarzeau: you love nethack don't you |
| 21:00.07 | tarzeau | stoned: best. game. ever. |
| 21:00.07 | stoned | tarzeau: you've played falcon/vultures eye? |
| 21:00.07 | Vasistha | OrangeRoot1k: with the program, md5sum or sha1sum |
| 21:00.08 | tarzeau | stoned: i started with falcons eye, but never liked anything of it but the intro |
| 21:00.09 | BUMBACL0T | tarzeau, then who is 1001? |
| 21:00.09 | stoned | tarzeau: ever tried neognuD |
| 21:00.09 | OrangeRoot1k | thanks Vasistha |
| 21:00.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: the font is in new queue now :) |
| 21:00.10 | OrangeRoot1k | :) |
| 21:00.10 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I don't remember sharks. Maybe they didn't exist 10 years ago |
| 21:00.11 | tarzeau | BUMBACL0T: check your user database? |
| 21:00.11 | jetscreamer | the second user created usuallly |
| 21:00.11 | jetscreamer | 1000 is the first |
| 21:00.12 | tarzeau | stoned: sure. it's nice, from the .sa guy in #nethack |
| 21:00.12 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: is it this one http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:00.14 | tarzeau | jelly-home: blue ; ? |
| 21:00.14 | stoned | tarzeau: I like slashem a bit more |
| 21:00.14 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: looks good! |
| 21:00.14 | abrotman | ewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:00.15 | stoned | tarzeau: its got more stuff |
| 21:00.16 | stoned | super lots added stuff |
| 21:00.16 | stoned | :) |
| 21:00.18 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: getent passwd 1001 |
| 21:00.18 | tarzeau | stoned: it's not like i love quantity |
| 21:00.19 | mina_linux_Tux | Vasistha: thats all what i have to download , or it doesn't have the vmlinuz image ... |
| 21:00.19 | stoned | tarzeau: i like the classes it has that nethack doesn't |
| 21:00.20 | BUMBACL0T | jelly-home, nothing comes up |
| 21:00.20 | tarzeau | stoned: i don't like so much choice |
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| 21:00.21 | Vasistha | mina_linux_Tux: what did the install guide say you need? |
| 21:00.21 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: so the user doesn't exist on this machine |
| 21:00.22 | tarzeau | stoned: debian has so much music players, but only opencubicplayer is the best |
| 21:00.23 | BUMBACL0T | jelly-home, how can i tell? |
| 21:00.24 | stoned | tarzeau: same when i first started playing morrowind. I was like holy mother of god what to do, what to do! |
| 21:00.26 | stoned | tarzeau: for me amarok is the best |
| 21:00.26 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: because getent passwd doesn't return anything :-) |
| 21:00.26 | xoz | !ot |
| 21:00.26 | dpkg | somebody said ot was Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
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| 21:00.27 | stoned | xoz: damn you! ot police! |
| 21:00.28 | stoned | :) |
| 21:00.28 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: or look at /etc/passwd manually |
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| 21:02.24 | BUMBACL0T | the files are on saparate harddrive and i did a fresh install of 4.0 and then remount it |
| 21:02.32 | BUMBACL0T | i think that's why it says 1001 |
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| 21:02.41 | BUMBACL0T | what you think |
| 21:03.05 | jelly-home | BUMBACL0T: I think there's no user with uid=1001 on the system yet. |
| 21:03.09 | tnks | what's a favored harddisk backup package? |
| 21:03.19 | tnks | I've used mondo, but that's about it. |
| 21:03.32 | tarzeau | !backup |
| 21:03.32 | dpkg | i heard backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 21:03.37 | valdyn | !wayttd tnks |
| 21:03.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tnks? |
| 21:03.48 | stoned | im gonna go watch Blade Trinity |
| 21:03.50 | jelly-home | tarzeau: not very useful, is it |
| 21:03.50 | stoned | :D |
| 21:03.52 | tarzeau | !backups |
| 21:03.53 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 21:03.58 | stoned | on my recently updated debian box |
| 21:03.59 | tarzeau | jelly-home: better? |
| 21:04.00 | stoned | muuahaha |
| 21:04.27 | cwheeler | anyone here used dual layer dvds? |
| 21:04.34 | tarzeau | cwheeler: come on |
| 21:04.36 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 21:04.36 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:04.45 | stoned | i mean hand |
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| 21:04.55 | tarzeau | cwheeler: sony playstation 3 is a bit too expensive |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:05.03 | stoned | ps3 kinda sucks |
| 21:05.05 | jelly-home | tarzeau: the latter is funnier |
| 21:05.12 | stoned | except for blueray |
| 21:05.16 | stoned | its just crap |
| 21:05.17 | tarzeau | stoned: i still love my ps1 best - wipeout1..3 rocks |
| 21:05.20 | stoned | then again i dont' play video games |
| 21:05.23 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i know :) it's the one i wanted |
| 21:05.26 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 21:05.27 | stoned | ps2 was the best so far imo |
| 21:05.35 | stoned | abrotman: only oblivion |
| 21:05.38 | stoned | on pc |
| 21:05.41 | abrotman | that's a game |
| 21:05.45 | stoned | yes |
| 21:05.47 | stoned | its not games |
| 21:05.51 | stoned | its A game |
| 21:05.52 | tarzeau | pc has crap input devices |
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| 21:06.04 | stoned | oblivion is best played with a keyboard |
| 21:06.05 | stoned | :) |
| 21:06.06 | tarzeau | stoned: ps1 controller is great, with the built-in vibrator |
| 21:06.08 | h3sp4wn | super smartjoy (and probable the other variations) |
| 21:06.15 | stoned | tarzeau: you like vibrators |
| 21:06.16 | cwheeler | I was just curious if there were any problems |
| 21:06.16 | stoned | lol |
| 21:06.18 | stoned | j/k man |
| 21:06.19 | stoned | lol |
| 21:06.25 | h3sp4wn | are good (I use a pc with a super nintendo official controller works great) |
| 21:06.36 | stoned | h3sp4wn: i should make one of them |
| 21:06.43 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: super mario kart? bomberman? |
| 21:06.45 | stoned | guides are online, you can play it on znes and its awesome |
| 21:06.54 | stoned | mario kart kicked ass |
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| 21:07.04 | stoned | my favorite mario game is legend of the 7 starts, mario rpg |
| 21:07.08 | tarzeau | stoned: i love the battle modes so much |
| 21:07.26 | stoned | time for blade trinity |
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| 21:08.08 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Mostly I use it as a decent controller for mame (I like metal slug / streetfighter 2 turbo (jap) ) the games of when I was young only really |
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| 21:09.48 | tnks | Basically, I'd like to archive my entire /, not just my home directory. Mondo does this pretty well, but I thought maybe there's something else worth comparing it to. |
| 21:10.14 | tnks | There's just a ton of returns with "apt-cache search backup" |
| 21:10.59 | tarzeau | tnks: what about rsync? |
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| 21:11.20 | valdyn | tnks: mondo is not really for archiving data but for easily restoring your OS |
| 21:11.52 | valdyn | tnks: so you could stick to mondo for that, and use something like dirvish for your own data |
| 21:12.06 | jelly-home | tnks: I haven't tried mondo, but use something like dirvish or rsnapshot to keep lots of dated versions of the filesystem(s) on a large backup disk. Both are glorified wrappers for rsync. |
| 21:14.33 | tnks | tarzeau: valdyn: jelly-home: thanks for the pointers. I think you're right about not using mondo for backups. |
| 21:14.39 | tnks | rsync is far more sane. |
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| 21:15.19 | valdyn | tnks: mondo is great - for its purpose |
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| 21:16.04 | mango | hi, can anyone please send me a link to a simple comrehensive tutorial for using bind. I have tried to set it up...but I am realy strugling. your help is much apreciated. thank you |
| 21:16.16 | valdyn | tnks: i do keep one mondo backup, its just not the right tool for regular backups of my own data |
| 21:16.16 | Ronin | simple and bind in the same sentence? |
| 21:16.38 | abrotman | bind ARM |
| 21:16.55 | tnks | valdyn: yeah, I think so. I was using rsync for synchronization, then I realized that unison was far more convenient for that. But I forgot that rsync is still great for backups. |
| 21:16.56 | mango | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.17 | abrotman | or ask #bind |
| 21:17.21 | tnks | actually, for that matter. Unison is probably just as sane as rsync. |
| 21:17.29 | tarzeau | mango: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
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| 21:17.48 | mango | thank you guys |
| 21:17.53 | valdyn | mango: why must you use bind? there's plenty simple tools for dns serving |
| 21:18.00 | Xenguy | tnks: unison is an interesting tool (bi-directional rsync?) |
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| 21:18.18 | jelly-home | Xenguy: "My Briefcase"! |
| 21:18.27 | tnks | Is there any reason that rsync might be better than unison for backups? |
| 21:18.32 | tarzeau | to move a domain from one ns pair to another, it's enough to enter the soa and all to the new one, and remove it from the old, right? |
| 21:18.38 | Xenguy | jelly-home: is that windows? |
| 21:18.48 | jelly-home | Xenguy: aye |
| 21:19.03 | Xenguy | jelly-home: it's coming back to me now :-) |
| 21:19.04 | valdyn | tnks: i wouldnt use rsync directly, there's backup tools that may use rsync |
| 21:19.34 | tnks | valdyn: okay, so would dirvish do something unison couldn't? |
| 21:19.47 | tnks | or any of the other wrappers? |
| 21:20.16 | valdyn | tnks: yea. dirvish takes snapshots, using hardlinks for unchanged files |
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| 21:20.31 | valdyn | tnks: guess dirvish could be patched to use unison instead of rsync |
| 21:20.47 | mango | valdyn: like what ? |
| 21:20.53 | fsteves | How can I make the following line ONLY append to the FIRST line in the file: echo `cat conf-cc` " -include /usr/include/errno.h" > conf-cc |
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| 21:21.53 | tnks | does dirvish do something rsnapshot doesn't or vice-versa? |
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| 21:22.13 | robin_sz | sigh ... why can't my OpenOffice2.2 find my libmysql-java ??? |
| 21:22.38 | Vasistha | fsteves: what is it that you want to do? You want to add a line to the top of a file, or you want to append one line to the end of it? Or, do you want to overwrite the whole file with one line? |
| 21:23.03 | valdyn | tnks: never used rsnapshot. Looking at the description they do pretty much the same |
| 21:23.08 | ebbs | hi my hald isnt starting... My bootlog gives me : Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldrun-parts: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal exited with return code 1 |
| 21:23.16 | jelly-home | tnks: as far as rsync wrappers go, rsnapshot is probably the simplest, dirvish has a bit more complex config and more features, esp. when it comes to expiration periods, I don't remember exactly what was special about rdiff-backup and duplicity, but there was something :-) |
| 21:23.20 | ebbs | What can I do to solve this problem? |
| 21:23.53 | valdyn | tnks: oh yea, expiring backups is quite sophisticated in dirvish |
| 21:24.10 | fsteves | Vasistha: append it to the END of the FIRST line |
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| 21:24.20 | jelly-home | tnks: ah yes. dirvish starts rsync from the client, so isn't very good when storing backups on remote machine (clients need to have remote root on the server) |
| 21:24.56 | Vasistha | fsteves: I would use sed: sed '1s/$/ string to append/' -i cc-whatever |
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| 21:25.31 | jelly-home | tnks: duplicity does gpg encryption of each incr. backup, so even less trusted system can be used for storage (say, a multiuser unix machine ;-) |
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| 21:26.22 | Xenguy | jelly-home: "special" good or bad? |
| 21:26.39 | Vasistha | fsteves: the '1' means, only do this operation to the first line. The 's' means do a substitution operation, replacing the end of line ('$' in regex terms) with your string; The '-i' is a gnu extension that means edit the named file in-place |
| 21:26.42 | jelly-home | Xenguy: neither |
| 21:26.59 | Xenguy | jelly-home: then in what way? |
| 21:27.13 | jelly-home | Xenguy: just "a unique feature/aspect, differing from other scripts" |
| 21:27.17 | fsteves | ty :) |
| 21:27.36 | Xenguy | jelly-home: ahh |
| 21:28.24 | perlmonkey | 9 hrs at it now, still getting nowhere :( |
| 21:28.27 | tnks | is there a way to poll the results of popularity-contest from the command-line? |
| 21:28.37 | tarzeau | tnks: links2 |
| 21:28.52 | tnks | tarzeau: funny. |
| 21:29.03 | perlmonkey | VPN tunnel is working but can't access anything beyond the LAN |
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| 21:29.06 | tarzeau | tnks: why? |
| 21:29.20 | tarzeau | tnks: it can show the results in text mode, or graphicsmode without X11 |
| 21:29.30 | perlmonkey | ping: unknown host |
| 21:29.38 | tnks | tarzeau: I had to script my way to parse HTML to get a list of orphaned packages. |
| 21:29.54 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: is your dns resolution working? is your firewall open? |
| 21:29.58 | tarzeau | tnks: you reinvented a webbrowser? |
| 21:30.01 | tarzeau | !medal tnks |
| 21:30.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: quit being an ass |
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| 21:30.21 | valdyn | tnks: maybe you really want to use deborphan |
| 21:30.27 | perlmonkey | Vasistha: DNS is ok, and firewall is open I think..nothing is showing in the messages log anyway to suggest the firewall is blocking anything |
| 21:30.45 | jelly-home | valdyn: deborphan knows about which packages were orphaned? :-) |
| 21:30.59 | tnks | valdyn: mostly, I just realized that with something like "apt-cache search backup" it might be nice to pipe the output to a sort by popularity. |
| 21:31.02 | tarzeau | jelly-home: nothing depends on and it starts with lib :) |
| 21:31.19 | perlmonkey | Vasistha: route table doesn't look right tho, I think theres something missing |
| 21:31.22 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's not what an orphaned package is |
| 21:31.22 | torrr | is there some tool that shows the content of a file that changes... I want to observe a log file in real time |
| 21:31.22 | tnks | then I'd know what packages are more legacy than useful. |
| 21:31.38 | Vasistha | torrr: tail -f file |
| 21:31.51 | jelly-home | tarzeau: "no maintainer" orphaned |
| 21:31.54 | torrr | Vasistha, that doesn't update |
| 21:31.55 | abrotman | tnks: why does it matter how popular they are .. if they're not used . they're not used |
| 21:31.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i agree |
| 21:32.04 | Hiryu | what programs are there for doing vector graphics? |
| 21:32.10 | torrr | Vasistha, auto update |
| 21:32.18 | tnks | abrotman: just an indicator for which packages I might want to look at first. |
| 21:32.24 | Vasistha | torrr: you mean, if something in the middle of the file changes? I assumed you just wanted something that watches the end, since you said it was a log file |
| 21:32.31 | tnks | abrotman: not to slam unused packages. |
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| 21:32.37 | tarzeau | Hiryu: potrace |
| 21:32.46 | perlmonkey | theres an entry in my route table: 192.168.1.0 10.8.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 <--- this doesnt look good eh |
| 21:32.55 | torrr | Vasistha, I want to see when stuff are changing |
| 21:33.24 | torrr | Vasistha, with tail, I'll have to do run it again and again |
| 21:33.30 | Vasistha | torrr: man tail |
| 21:33.44 | torrr | Vasistha, I know tail |
| 21:33.45 | Vasistha | torrr: check out the -f option, it is exactly what you need. |
| 21:33.53 | torrr | ok |
| 21:34.13 | Hiryu | tarzeau: thanks, nothing that can be used to draw vector graphics directly? |
| 21:34.25 | tarzeau | tnks: try less /var/log/popularity-contest |
| 21:34.37 | tarzeau | Hiryu: cenon.app |
| 21:34.54 | torrr | Vasistha, thanks |
| 21:35.49 | Hiryu | tarzeau: hehe, ok |
| 21:35.49 | Vasistha | torrr: np ... many of these tools do more than you think ;) |
| 21:35.57 | drwahl | i have my linux laptop wirelessly connected to my WAP, i have another laptop without a wireless NIC in it connected to my linux laptop via a crossover. I want to use my linux laptop as a gateway. the two laptops can ping, and the linux laptop can ping the internet, but i cant get the 2nd laptop to ping past my linux laptop. is there some special route command i need to put in place? |
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| 21:36.28 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 21:36.39 | drwahl | thank you |
| 21:37.04 | Vasistha | man, that's what I wanted the other day. Someone asked about that, and I just couldn't think of the name ipmasq :P |
| 21:37.12 | torrr | Vasistha, I understand what you say more or less ;) |
| 21:37.13 | tnks | tarzeau: cool. I actually don't use popularity contest, but I have more incentive to now if I get a log of the results. |
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| 21:37.29 | tarzeau | tnks: yay, one more popcon user :) |
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| 21:38.26 | perlmonkey | no chance |
| 21:38.40 | petemc | drwahl: modprobe iptable_nat ; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 21:39.21 | tnks | so, I come to freenode because I'm a bit lazy to go to the Debian server. But a /ton/ of people are still here. Is there a consensus of what place is good for what? |
| 21:40.00 | Vasistha | tnks: the consensus seems to be that lots of people still prefer freenode, even though the official channel has changed. |
| 21:40.14 | tarzeau | tnks: this place has more people |
| 21:41.18 | fsteves | How do I add an entry to the rc.d in debian |
| 21:41.18 | tarzeau | Vasistha: maybe only because they mistype /j #ubuntu ? |
| 21:41.23 | Hunnur | is there a command that gives me something like menuconfig? |
| 21:41.29 | tnks | I had a feeling that might happen. A lot of other dev channels are on freenode, so there's inertia to stay here. |
| 21:41.31 | tarzeau | fsteves: you mean init.d? |
| 21:41.39 | perlmonkey | fuk this |
| 21:41.43 | Vasistha | tnks: although I have no foundation for this belief, I think the devs usually have their conversations on oftc, and most of the more experienced folks keep logged into both oftc and freenode |
| 21:41.45 | Hiryu | fsteves: update-rc.d |
| 21:41.54 | tarzeau | fsteves: for example update-rc.d nvidia-driver start 90 2 3 4 5 . |
| 21:42.02 | Vasistha | tarzeau: of course, there's that :P |
| 21:42.13 | Hiryu | fsteves: put your script into /etc/init.d/ and using update-rc.d will create symlinks for you in all the run level dirs |
| 21:42.30 | concept10 | Anyone know how to make a .gif screencast like this? http://reportbug-ng.alioth.debian.org/reportbug-ng.gif |
| 21:42.33 | fsteves | ty |
| 21:42.36 | Hiryu | fsteves: it might take you a few times to figure out how to make it do what you want though, it did for me and I have at least a basic understanding of sysV init |
| 21:42.58 | Vasistha | concept10: what is the salient feature that you want to duplicate? |
| 21:43.04 | tarzeau | concept10: i think istanbul can do that |
| 21:43.12 | tarzeau | concept10: or xvidtune, or scrot/gifsicle |
| 21:43.40 | concept10 | tarzeau: thanks, ill check those out.. i only have gtkrecordmydesktop at the moment |
| 21:43.48 | xoz | fsteves: file-rc is another option |
| 21:43.58 | concept10 | Vasistha: duplicate what? |
| 21:44.17 | Vasistha | concept10: n/m, I think tarzeau answered your q |
| 21:44.17 | tarzeau | concept10: the screencast has a bug, the popup help is german |
| 21:44.25 | perlmonkey | is secvpn better than openvpn? |
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| 21:44.34 | drwahl | any here use smoothwall? |
| 21:44.41 | Vasistha | !anyone use smoothwall |
| 21:44.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses smoothwall, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:44.49 | tarzeau | oh it's the kde mail which is completely german |
| 21:44.52 | tarzeau | and reportbug is gtk |
| 21:44.56 | Hunnur | Where is the kernel .config file in debian? Or is there a command for viewing the modules? |
| 21:45.05 | tarzeau | Hunnur: in /boot/config* |
| 21:45.08 | Vasistha | Hunnur: /boot/config-kernelnum |
| 21:45.18 | tarzeau | Hunnur: lsmod? and /etc/modules? |
| 21:45.26 | RvGaTe | For some reason, after the latest update for lenny, my Evolution keeps restarting... |
| 21:45.27 | Hunnur | thanks |
| 21:45.37 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: checked bts yet? |
| 21:45.41 | drwahl | i know that "no one uses 'insert package here'"... i wanna know if any one has tried to get smoothwall running inside of debian |
| 21:45.55 | tnks | tarzeau: wait, var/log/ is just a record of my usage, right? |
| 21:46.01 | tarzeau | tnks: yes, or whoever works on your system |
| 21:46.04 | tnks | not of stats on a whole, |
| 21:46.06 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, sorry ? |
| 21:46.06 | tnks | oh. |
| 21:46.10 | petemc | drwahl: smoothwall wasnt a package, last time i checked |
| 21:46.14 | tarzeau | tnks: no, the whole stats are here |
| 21:46.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:46.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:46.32 | concept10 | Some more gifsicle features: A dumb-ass name. (from the home page) heh |
| 21:46.42 | perlmonkey | hmm |
| 21:46.46 | drwahl | i have heard about a lot of people getting smoothwall to run similarly to a package, but yes petemc, you are correct, it is a full distro |
| 21:47.07 | jelly-home | concept10: I like pornview in that regard |
| 21:47.18 | tnks | tarzeau: right. I just looked at the page of the outputs. It's pretty sanely formatted that I can probably use it to script a sort of apt-cache search results. |
| 21:47.29 | tnks | that's cool. |
| 21:47.42 | tarzeau | jelly-home: very lame software though. feh is magnitudes better |
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| 21:47.53 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and porn-get is so much nicer too. ask !lesbian |
| 21:48.09 | concept10 | meh, ill just make a regular screencast |
| 21:48.28 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I don't think porn-get even works |
| 21:48.44 | tarzeau | jelly-home: it does! |
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| 21:48.53 | BUMBACL0T | why is it not good to compile your own kernel? |
| 21:48.54 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i stopped it after 10 gb porn download |
| 21:49.00 | jelly-home | tarzeau: the maintainer hasn't made a good job of keeping it up to date :-) |
| 21:49.07 | xoz | BUMBACL0T: have you tried? |
| 21:49.20 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you porn addicts! i've got other things to do... |
| 21:49.27 | BUMBACL0T | xoz, yes, i used to compile my own kernel |
| 21:49.50 | xoz | BUMBACL0T: then, if you have no problem, go with it. just don't bug us :) |
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| 21:52.59 | drwahl | did porn-get work just like apt-get? |
| 21:53.04 | tarzeau | drwahl: yes |
| 21:53.14 | tarzeau | drwahl: still does, www.lesbian.mine.nu |
| 21:53.21 | drwahl | interesting... that is a lot of effort just for porn :) |
| 21:54.39 | concept10 | its about reducing effort |
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| 21:57.00 | drwahl | reducing effort is all relative.... if you have a horny partner, that makes the effort even less |
| 21:57.03 | drwahl | :) |
| 21:57.48 | axolx | hi guys -- im installing Etch on a new server. is it safe to use LVM? is it really worth it? does it make it a lot harder to recover a disk? |
| 21:57.54 | concept10 | I wish I can reduce the amount of times this girl calls me |
| 21:58.10 | tarzeau | concept10: i can understand you completely |
| 21:58.42 | perlmonkey | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 22:00.10 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: ping 64.233.187.99 (that's google) |
| 22:00.14 | tarzeau | concept10: i had to watch james bond (it sucked) |
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| 22:00.44 | jelly-home | tarzeau: hey! that's useful information! |
| 22:01.07 | perlmonkey | Vasistha: connect: Network is unreachable |
| 22:01.10 | concept10 | tarzeau: when yesterday? |
| 22:01.41 | tarzeau | concept10: and that other crap movie miss potter was SO BORING AND HORRIBLE |
| 22:01.42 | perlmonkey | my route table shows 192.168.1.0 10.8.0.1 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 tun0 |
| 22:01.51 | tarzeau | concept10: few weeks ago |
| 22:01.54 | SW15 | could i have a bit of help for a moment regarding apt-get? |
| 22:02.05 | tarzeau | SW15: tried apt-get moo yet? |
| 22:02.22 | vn | omg |
| 22:02.24 | SW15 | no, not yet. what is it? |
| 22:02.27 | vn | apt-get install porn-get |
| 22:02.31 | jelly-home | SW15: just ask |
| 22:02.41 | tarzeau | SW15: cow powers |
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| 22:02.52 | jelly-home | tarzeau: aptitude has no cow powers |
| 22:02.58 | SW15 | . .. |
| 22:02.59 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes it does, try -v |
| 22:03.07 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and add some more -v :) |
| 22:03.08 | jelly-home | tarzeau: No, it really doesn't |
| 22:03.25 | tarzeau | jelly-home: you're right, aptitude sucks. apt-get forever! |
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| 22:04.03 | Vasistha | !tell SW15 -about ask |
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| 22:05.03 | SW15 | when i try to apt-get install the client for the wesnoth RTS, it gives me this "E: Couldn't find package wesnoth_1.2-1_alpha.deb" |
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| 22:05.34 | drwahl | lol... tarzeau I think we should break it down into "actress's" |
| 22:05.35 | jelly-home | tarzeau: because cow != A Little Prince reference |
| 22:05.42 | drwahl | staight outta the readme |
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| 22:05.46 | vn | cow = moo |
| 22:05.52 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 22:05.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:05.57 | vn | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professionnel - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 5days 18hrs 59mins 11secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ at 2210MHz (4% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT 256MB res: 1680x1050 32bit 60Hz ram: 1424/2046.48MB (69.58%) [|||||||---] hdd: 3 C:\ 41.92GB/195.31GB Free V:\ 35.36GB/37.57GB Free Z:\ 80.73GB/232.88GB Free net: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller - Miniport d'ordonnancement de paquets |
| 22:06.03 | vn | oops |
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| 22:06.04 | Maarten` | moo: os: Microsoft® Windows Vista Ultimate - (6.0.6000) up: 20hrs 33mins 56secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz at 2401MHz (19% Load) gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x7280) 256MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: -963/0MB (0%) hdd: C:\ 57.78GB/100.21GB Free D:\ 74.09GB/132.67GB Free E:\ 86.47GB/200.65GB Free P:\ 29.07GB/32.23GB Free net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC [NDIS |
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| 22:06.26 | vn | closed. |
| 22:06.32 | jelly-home | vn, Maarten`: turn that off right now! :-) |
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| 22:06.41 | vn | eeek, vista |
| 22:07.00 | drwahl | it seems to rear its ugly head everywhere |
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| 22:07.53 | SW15 | does anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 22:08.21 | Vasistha | SW15: let's see your sources.list |
| 22:08.24 | jelly-home | vn: nice uptime for windows :-) |
| 22:08.29 | SW15 | er .. ? |
| 22:08.44 | SW15 | sorry, i'm just learning this stuff. sources.list? |
| 22:08.52 | Vasistha | SW15: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:09.19 | SW15 | 'bash: pastebin: command not found' |
| 22:09.33 | Vasistha | !tell SW15 -about paster |
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| 22:09.59 | vn | jelly-home: thanks, I often get 3 weeks |
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| 22:11.06 | kinection | can anybody help me on exim here? |
| 22:11.12 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 22:11.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:12.10 | SW15 | http://pastebin.ca/453272 |
| 22:12.39 | kinection | Vasistha: alright, just didn't want to spam the channel if no exim guys are in here.. |
| 22:12.42 | kinection | anyways |
| 22:12.54 | Vasistha | SW15: you need to ask in #mepis |
| 22:13.03 | kinection | I have exim running on a server with low entropy and i'm wondering how to fix this problem? |
| 22:13.05 | SW15 | okay.. |
| 22:13.15 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 22:13.15 | dpkg | smail is hard to configure |
| 22:13.29 | kinection | i'm trying to send email and it stalls right after TLS |
| 22:13.37 | kinection | which after googling, it seems to due to low entropy |
| 22:13.46 | kinection | which this server averages about 50 on |
| 22:14.12 | kinection | i didn't set up exim, i'm just tasked to fix it :/ |
| 22:14.15 | Supaplex | are you using /dev/urandom or just /dev/random to collect entropy forTLS? |
| 22:14.25 | vn | !start an os war |
| 22:14.26 | dpkg | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
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| 22:14.29 | vn | lol |
| 22:14.50 | vn | !start a browser war |
| 22:14.50 | dpkg | IE > *! |
| 22:14.55 | kinection | Supaplex: how can i tell? from reading it seems like /dev/urandom is less secure but won't block out exim right? |
| 22:14.58 | vn | gawd this bot is so intelligent |
| 22:15.00 | Vasistha | !msg the bot |
| 22:15.01 | dpkg | from memory, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 22:15.07 | vn | ok |
| 22:15.09 | tarzeau | Supaplex: you know what the u is forr? |
| 22:15.11 | Supaplex | kinection: right. /dev/urandom is non blocking. |
| 22:15.36 | kinection | Supaplex: how would I tell if i'm using /dev/random or /dev/urandom? |
| 22:15.40 | Supaplex | unsecure? as in, don't use it for creating strong private keys |
| 22:16.00 | Supaplex | kinection: check the config, see if it's there. if not, employ strace. |
| 22:16.33 | Supaplex | urandom should be ok for sessions. A small piece of /dev/random goes a long way, but it exhausts quickly. |
| 22:17.05 | kinection | Supaplex: what config? exims? /etc/exim4/ contains no mention of random anywhere |
| 22:17.34 | Supaplex | try strace to see anyhow. maybe there's a config a library is using (like openssl or something) |
| 22:17.53 | vn | ok, definetly, dpkg beats Dr Sbaitso |
| 22:17.57 | Supaplex | I use postfix, but in unfamilar waters, strace can open the lid and let you see inside. |
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| 22:18.30 | kinection | Supaplex: i have no clue how to use strace |
| 22:18.39 | kinection | Supaplex: but.. using lsof on /dev/random i find Debian-exim is using it |
| 22:18.46 | kinection | Supaplex: and no users on /dev/urandom |
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| 22:19.18 | Supaplex | ahhh. interesting. strace has lots of things you can do with it. it even has a man page. |
| 22:19.40 | jelly-home | fancy |
| 22:19.56 | kinection | Supaplex: i was looking at that, and then decided to just use lsof |
| 22:20.29 | kinection | i'll look into strace later if needed |
| 22:20.44 | Supaplex | lsof tells you what's open at that moment, strace can tell you as execution progresses. |
| 22:21.03 | kinection | ah |
| 22:21.11 | Supaplex | yup. that's what you get paid the big bucks for, right? :) |
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| 22:21.19 | kinection | "big bucks" |
| 22:21.24 | kinection | suuuurreee |
| 22:21.25 | jelly-home | "right" |
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| 22:23.53 | amukherj | Hi, I'm setting up my professor's laptop for him. He wants to be able to use OpenMP, which will allow him to do parallel programming. It seems that the only OpenMP support on debian is from GCC 4.2 (which is in experimental). I currently have Etch installed, with GCC 4.1. Is there any way I can keep GCC 4.1, keep him at Etch, and install only one experimental package (GCC 4.2)? |
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| 22:24.46 | kinection | Supaplex: so, any idea how to get around this low entropy issue? |
| 22:24.53 | Supaplex | amukherj: /query dpkg about "simple sid backport" "backports" and "pinning" to start a few ideas. |
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| 22:25.31 | amukherj | Supaplex: ahh, pinning I've heard of. What is a simple sid backport, and what is a backport? |
| 22:25.35 | Supaplex | kinection: I would have mentioned it earlier. I asked you to use strace to gather information for researching the problem. |
| 22:25.47 | Supaplex | !tell amukherj -about simple sid backport |
| 22:25.51 | Supaplex | !tell amukherj -about backports |
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| 22:26.33 | amukherj | Supaplex: also, even with pinning, won't that overwrite gcc 4.1 with 4.2? |
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| 22:27.03 | amukherj | Supaplex: I'm new to irc......what does !tell USERNAME -about mean? |
| 22:27.05 | Supaplex | multiple releases of gcc can install side by side. |
| 22:27.18 | Supaplex | i'm pretty sure 4.1 and 4.2 can get a long. |
| 22:27.31 | Supaplex | !tell amukherj -about experimental |
| 22:27.34 | amukherj | Supaplex: 4.1 and 4.2 get along? excellent. |
| 22:27.54 | Supaplex | I said "I'm pretty sure", I didn't say "Yes, for certian" |
| 22:28.13 | amukherj | ok |
| 22:28.22 | h3sp4wn | they can |
| 22:28.22 | h3sp4wn | !info gcc-4.2 |
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| 22:30.41 | Supaplex | does dpkg here track experimental? |
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| 22:31.01 | amukherj | So I need to set up pinning, then install 4.2, then turn off pinning. Is this correct? |
| 22:31.10 | h3sp4wn | Supaplex: Looks like not |
| 22:31.10 | n3kl | Hi. What group do I need to belog to to burn dvds? |
| 22:31.11 | n3kl | cdrom? |
| 22:31.11 | h3sp4wn | !info gcc-4.2 experimental |
| 22:31.11 | dpkg | gcc-4.2: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.2-20070405-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 463 kB, Installed size: 1120 kB |
| 22:31.27 | Supaplex | amukherj: I would do a backport if you're running stable. if there's no backport, roll your own backport. (ala simple sid backport) |
| 22:31.42 | amukherj | Supaplex: I'll have to google what a backport is, because I have no clue what you're talking about. |
| 22:32.27 | amukherj | He's using etch, not sid. |
| 22:35.11 | Supaplex | amukherj: remember all that !tell amukherj -about stuff? dpkg should have told you |
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| 22:35.13 | Tenshi | is there a way to blow away the superblock on a hard drive? |
| 22:35.13 | Supaplex | yes, etch is stable. and you're backporting 'sid/experimental' to etch. |
| 22:35.14 | tarzeau | n3kl: w/ k3b? |
| 22:35.14 | n3kl | Does anyone know why k3b would detect my dvd burner as a cd burner? |
| 22:35.14 | tarzeau | n3kl: it should |
| 22:35.14 | tarzeau | n3kl: i had to do stuff w/ k3bsetup for it to work, but that's gone w/ etch |
| 22:35.15 | daeos | could someone give me a basic run down on the differences between GNOME and Xfce ? I was thinking of removing GNOME and going to Xfce but not sure if there is a 'reason' to... |
| 22:35.15 | Supaplex | Tenshi: do you care about the filesystem? |
| 22:35.16 | n3kl | tarzeau: nope. I tells me that it can burn cdrs, not dvds |
| 22:35.17 | tarzeau | n3kl: funny |
| 22:35.17 | amukherj | Thank you Supaplex and all. If i still can't get this to work, I'll be back. |
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| 22:35.18 | n3kl | tarzeau: yeah, it works on my other etch box, but I don't know why |
| 22:35.19 | jelly-home | daeos: xfce is probably a bit leaner. |
| 22:35.21 | tarzeau | n3kl: i guess our users now have to switch to cdrecord/commandline, from k3b, when they were used to xcdroast at the very beginning |
| 22:35.22 | daeos | jelly-home: less memory usage, and hdd space ? |
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| 22:35.23 | Tenshi | Supaplex, nein |
| 22:35.23 | jelly-home | daeos: both, yes |
| 22:35.24 | tarzeau | n3kl: or stop using that shit called floppy disks, usb sticks and cd-r/dvd-r |
| 22:35.27 | jelly-home | daeos: and probably less features, but I haven't used all of Gnome, just nautilus a bit so I'm guessing |
| 22:35.27 | n3kl | tarzeau: well, I can use growisofs from the command line, everything works fine. just k3b |
| 22:35.29 | Tenshi | Supaplex, for some reason, one of my hard drives was marked as part of a software raid device. I don't know why, but I have to re-fdisk it to mount the filesystem on it every time. the superblock on /dev/sdc must die so that the md tools stop screwing it up |
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| 22:35.31 | daeos | jelly-home: would you recommend it ... just for once in a while use of a gui , and for a system with 384MB of ram and a 20GB hdd |
| 22:35.31 | Supaplex | Tenshi: weird. I would hunt down the software raid howto, and see how you can unto that. |
| 22:35.33 | abrotman | gnome should be fine with 384 .. unless you've got a ton of other things running |
| 22:35.33 | tarzeau | like firefox and openoffice |
| 22:35.33 | Tenshi | Supaplex, it's in the superblock of the HD itself. If I wipe that out, I wipe out the problem (I think). how do I take out the superblock info on /dev/sdc? |
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| 22:35.42 | Supaplex | !superblock |
| 22:35.42 | dpkg | The Superblock contains a description of the basic size and shape of the file system. See http://www.science.unitn.it/~fiorella/guidelinux/tlk/node97.html for more info. |
| 22:35.45 | stoned | oo.o on anything less than 512 lags with the rest of the system usually |
| 22:36.00 | stoned | but I've ran full gnome, ff, oo.o, and many things on 128mb |
| 22:36.08 | tarzeau | stoned: without kde/gnome you can do fine w/ 128mb and below |
| 22:36.15 | stoned | tarzeau: definitely |
| 22:36.20 | stoned | eyecandy costs |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-home | daeos: I'm using it on 512MB. KDE was sluggish, and I haven't even tried Gnome. |
| 22:36.29 | tarzeau | stoned: gnome in etch looks ugly |
| 22:36.36 | tarzeau | stoned: i mean if i'd even get eye candy... |
| 22:36.38 | stoned | gnome in general looks ugly |
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| 22:36.51 | abrotman | it has themes ... |
| 22:36.57 | stoned | I will take Qt over GTK anyday |
| 22:37.02 | redduck676 | if start elinks from my tty it has colors and everyting and i'm happy. if i start it from screen it is black and white and i'm sad. if i try to fool elinks and tell it TERM=linux it displays colors but some characters (for example in the first window that asks you ''enter url'') are screwed up and not straight lines like they are if i start elinks from tty. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 22:37.10 | stoned | IME/O gnome dialog design is horrible |
| 22:37.12 | Supaplex | flwm runs on toothpicks and rubber bands. it needs far less ram :) |
| 22:37.26 | tarzeau | stoned: file open/save in gtk? |
| 22:37.26 | daeos | jelly-home: i never use kde as its always a resource hog... even when i was using mandrake |
| 22:37.31 | stoned | tarzeau: indeed |
| 22:37.45 | tarzeau | stoned: absolutely. and they didn't manage to fix it during the many years |
| 22:37.50 | daeos | jelly-home: gnome has served me well so far |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | stoned: which one? |
| 22:38.00 | tarzeau | haha. consistency |
| 22:38.06 | stoned | abrotman: tarzeau just said so |
| 22:38.13 | abrotman | i said which one |
| 22:38.19 | stoned | which one what |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | there's more than one gnome/gtk file dialog |
| 22:38.32 | tarzeau | stoned: which of their broken file dialogs. they are all broken anyways |
| 22:38.32 | stoned | all of them |
| 22:38.40 | abrotman | nice and vague .. |
| 22:38.40 | jelly-home | daeos: well, keep it then. You can have both installed at the same time, and compare. |
| 22:38.44 | tarzeau | stoned: the main bug is that they have more than one |
| 22:38.51 | stoned | tarzeau: i know |
| 22:38.55 | stoned | its sad |
| 22:38.56 | daeos | ah ok, not sure how to switch between them though, as i usually use vnc |
| 22:39.12 | stoned | I am not downing on gnome, just that its not for me. If it works for you, have at it. |
| 22:39.16 | tarzeau | linux on the desktop. this year!!11 |
| 22:39.26 | tarzeau | stoned: kde? |
| 22:39.30 | stoned | yessir |
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| 22:39.38 | stoned | after many years, I like it. I used to hate kde |
| 22:39.52 | stoned | but the more I used it, the more consistent across all kde apps it seemed |
| 22:40.15 | stoned | I just grew to like it |
| 22:40.15 | jelly-home | stoned: in the end, it'll be almost as consistent as Windows! |
| 22:40.17 | EdLin | stoned: KDE has sped up starting with 3.2 or so. |
| 22:40.23 | Hiryu | probably because it started to become more consistant |
| 22:40.23 | tarzeau | EdLin: indeed |
| 22:40.27 | EdLin | stoned: that's probably why you like it. |
| 22:40.31 | Hiryu | KDE 3.5 is a lot faster than 3.0 |
| 22:40.36 | tarzeau | EdLin: and they have control center where you can turn off splash screen |
| 22:40.42 | stoned | jelly-home: meh.. no matter what people have to say about these things, it all boils down to what you like and what works best for you. |
| 22:40.44 | EdLin | tarzeau: lol |
| 22:40.46 | tarzeau | EdLin: and their x screen locker is nice too |
| 22:40.52 | keram | hello |
| 22:40.53 | tarzeau | EdLin: it's important, really. i hated it |
| 22:41.15 | keram | i'm not sure if any of you were here but i was asking about ssh -X earlier |
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| 22:41.23 | keram | and this is a related question |
| 22:41.27 | EdLin | tarzeau: well, we know which desktop environment *you* like. :) |
| 22:41.37 | keram | i want to run xine through ssh -X, but the problem is that i'm getting no audio |
| 22:41.39 | Hiryu | I hate the gnome file dialog even though I can use it |
| 22:41.39 | tarzeau | EdLin: ok no need to find some screenshots? |
| 22:41.42 | keram | how can i get audio? |
| 22:41.51 | keram | from the remote server |
| 22:41.57 | EdLin | tarzeau: btw, how's the GNUstep live CD coming along? |
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| 22:42.57 | stoned | I used to swear by xfce |
| 22:42.58 | EdLin | tarzeau: GNUstep rocks, but the problem is constantly moving the mouse into the upper left corner, as a lefty, gives me a lot of strain. |
| 22:42.58 | abrotman | GNUstep can read CDs ? |
| 22:43.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:43.09 | stoned | I started with fluxbox |
| 22:43.39 | stoned | flux was/is the shit and will remain to be the shit until the end of time |
| 22:43.39 | stoned | word. |
| 22:43.49 | jelly-home | s/the// |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | nah |
| 22:44.08 | stoned | The shit, not shit. |
| 22:44.09 | stoned | :) |
| 22:44.12 | tapio | How can I play wmv in debian? |
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| 22:44.14 | tarzeau | EdLin: doing fine, livecd.gnustep.org ... waiting for the new gnustep* to come into debian sid... |
| 22:44.14 | tarzeau | just to show you there can be different looks http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 22:44.21 | redduck676 | !w32codecs |
| 22:44.21 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 22:44.23 | CalJohn | i like fb too. would consider openbox, but using an external program for keybinding is effort. |
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| 22:44.25 | stoned | !tell tapio -about w32codecs |
| 22:44.27 | redduck676 | tapio: ^ |
| 22:44.27 | tarzeau | tapio: w/ mplayer? |
| 22:44.29 | stoned | nm |
| 22:44.40 | tapio | tarzeau: Mine can't :-\ |
| 22:44.45 | tapio | !w32codecs |
| 22:44.45 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 22:44.48 | keram | jelly-home, do you know? |
| 22:44.51 | tarzeau | tapio: mine can: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 22:44.57 | EdLin | tapio: msg the bots |
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| 22:44.58 | stoned | !tell tapio -about dpkgbot |
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| 22:46.14 | jelly-home | keram: no idea... I think there are mixer services that can do that but I haven't messed with any |
| 22:46.35 | keram | shoot |
| 22:46.36 | jelly-home | keram: or you could share the file and play it locally |
| 22:47.30 | jelly-home | keram: if you can log in with ssh, you can also do sshfs in absence of other networked file systems |
| 22:47.50 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 22:47.53 | jelly-home | keram: (assuming the client machine is linux) |
| 22:48.10 | keram | sshfs? |
| 22:48.21 | jelly-home | !info sshfs |
| 22:48.26 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 22:48.26 | dpkg | well, shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 22:48.29 | dpkg | sshfs: (filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 22:48.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: NOT shfs |
| 22:48.46 | abrotman | eh . i thought they just renamed it |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: this one is fuse based, no need for extra modules |
| 22:49.19 | keram | oh that is interesting |
| 22:49.25 | keram | i was using nfs heh |
| 22:49.29 | abrotman | shfs did get rolled into FUSE |
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| 22:49.37 | jelly-home | well if nfs works, that's better |
| 22:49.52 | h3sp4wn | The code is completely different (shfs has not been updated for ages) |
| 22:49.52 | EdLin | jelly-home: faint praise |
| 22:49.53 | keram | nfs is better than shfs? |
| 22:49.54 | abrotman | and very likely faster |
| 22:50.11 | abrotman | bah.. i thought shfs went into fuse |
| 22:50.12 | jelly-home | sshfs is basically a nice hack, and can be flaky |
| 22:50.15 | abrotman | and became sshfs |
| 22:50.56 | keram | ah ic |
| 22:51.10 | keram | then i will stick wiht nfs :] |
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| 22:52.14 | perlmonkey | nfs is ok |
| 22:52.27 | perlmonkey | at least its easy to setup unlike openvpn |
| 22:53.08 | chewy | what do i have to add to my source list to get mplayer-plugin and deluge? i have main contrib and added non-free,but when i add stable/unstable/testing i get errors... |
| 22:53.33 | chewy | ftp.debian.org etch... |
| 22:53.44 | abrotman | the mozilla-mplayer plugin ? |
| 22:53.47 | chewy | new http? |
| 22:53.48 | chewy | yes |
| 22:53.59 | abrotman | !info mozilla-mplayer etch |
| 22:54.06 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section graphics, is extra. Version: 3.31+main-1 (etch), Packaged size: 471 kB, Installed size: 1624 kB |
| 22:54.07 | keram | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 22:54.07 | EdLin | chewy: you ordinarily won't be using more than one release at once, unless you do pinning. (Hint: this isn't the way to get restricted codecs) |
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| 22:54.10 | keram | i think u can just add that |
| 22:54.18 | chewy | ok thx |
| 22:54.19 | EdLin | !u |
| 22:54.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:54.23 | EdLin | !thx |
| 22:54.23 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | chewy: apparnetly nothing |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | chewy: ti's already in etch/main |
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| 22:55.46 | EdLin | hmmm, the thx factoid was kind of apropos. |
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| 22:55.58 | chewy | i dont see it, i didnt see mplayer or synaptic until i added non-free, i still dont see nvidia-glx so i just manually installed it... |
| 22:56.26 | EdLin | chewy: nvidia drivers in etch is kind of a black art. You will need module assistant |
| 22:56.46 | xjkx | my gcc hasnt windows.h and I want to apt-get a package that has such library |
| 22:56.50 | chewy | its working fine, just dled it from nvidia website |
| 22:57.10 | EdLin | chewy: well, yes, there's that - but then every time your kernel is upgraded you'll need to re-run it. |
| 22:57.56 | EdLin | xjkx: Linux is a Unix clone... |
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| 22:59.42 | chewy | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main gives error |
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| 23:00.15 | adamant1988 | EdLin I thought it was a Unix derivative of some kind? |
| 23:00.22 | EdLin | chewy: have you run apt-get update? |
| 23:00.32 | EdLin | adamant1988: no, a clone. a derivative would be illegal. |
| 23:00.34 | chewy | multiple times |
| 23:01.02 | EdLin | chewy: what changes have you made to your sources.lst, are you still using multiple releases? |
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| 23:01.44 | chewy | default from etch xfce cd |
| 23:02.08 | EdLin | chewy: what does the error look like? |
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| 23:03.20 | perlmonkey | ping 64.233.187.99. connect: Network is unreachable. |
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| 23:05.03 | abrotman | ah .. much better |
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| 23:06.11 | chewy | sry its on another comp, says w:couldnt stat source package list debian-multimedia |
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| 23:06.36 | abrotman | can you paste your sources.list somwehere for us ? |
| 23:06.49 | chewy | k hold on |
| 23:07.52 | chewy | is mutt an messaging client? |
| 23:08.25 | stew | chewy: its a MUA (aka email client) |
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| 23:08.35 | chewy | nope, ya i gotta get gaim i geuss |
| 23:09.29 | EdLin | chewy: or bitlbee so you can im in your favorirte IRC client. :) |
| 23:09.35 | stoned | isn't a clone by definition an exact replica of the original? |
| 23:09.40 | EdLin | favorite* |
| 23:09.44 | stoned | its unixlike, but noa unix clone. technically |
| 23:09.52 | stoned | not a* |
| 23:09.56 | EdLin | stoned: I'm not speaking precisely of course. |
| 23:10.02 | stoned | im pulling legs |
| 23:10.20 | EdLin | stoned: it's actually more Unix(tm)like than some OSs that are certified Unix(tm) |
| 23:11.05 | EdLin | AIX, even Solaris, have a lot of things that are less Unixlike than many Linux distros. |
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| 23:11.09 | chewy1 | ha |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | is he laughing at himself ? |
| 23:11.40 | chewy1 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 23:11.40 | chewy1 | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:11.40 | chewy1 | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 23:11.40 | chewy1 | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 23:11.57 | chewy | awww |
| 23:12.00 | chewy | well there it is |
| 23:12.03 | maddash | !find ecryptfs |
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| 23:12.14 | EdLin | !tell chewy about pastebot |
| 23:12.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ecryptfs' (3 of 7): (/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.20/Documentation/ecryptfs.txt.gz) in doc/linux-doc-2.6.20 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.20-1-k7/kernel/fs/ecryptfs/ecryptfs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.20-1-486/kernel/fs/ecryptfs/ecryptfs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.20-1-486. |
| 23:12.33 | EdLin | maddash: /msg the bots |
| 23:12.34 | maddash | damn |
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| 23:13.23 | EdLin | chewy2: don't |
| 23:13.29 | chewy2 | no more pasting |
| 23:13.36 | stoned | !paster |
| 23:13.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:13.47 | chewy | so what am i doin wrong |
| 23:13.48 | abrotman | you've got conflicting source lines |
| 23:14.08 | chewy | oh i tried multimedia with and wo debian |
| 23:14.11 | chewy | at the end |
| 23:14.21 | chewy | i dl the multimedia ones |
| 23:14.25 | chewy | deleted |
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| 23:14.39 | abrotman | show us what you actually have |
| 23:14.46 | chewy | just first 2 |
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| 23:15.14 | chewy | i see mplayer but not mplayer-pluging or mozzilla-mplayer |
| 23:15.23 | chewy | and no deluge |
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| 23:16.34 | abrotman | chewy: apt-cache search mozilla mplayer |
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| 23:18.38 | chewy2 | nothing happens |
| 23:19.12 | chewy2 | when i do mplayer only it finds it |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | it finds what ? |
| 23:19.24 | chewy2 | mplayer |
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| 23:19.43 | abrotman | chewy2: did you just install this system ? |
| 23:19.47 | chewy2 | theres also kmplayer-plugin |
| 23:19.51 | chewy2 | yes |
| 23:19.59 | chewy2 | but i suspect that wont work |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | have you run aptitude update or apt-get update ? |
| 23:21.06 | chewy2 | ok its working now |
| 23:22.08 | chewy | but still no deluge |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | wtf is deluge ? |
| 23:23.38 | chewy2 | !deluge |
| 23:23.56 | abrotman | right .. what is it again ? |
| 23:24.05 | chewy2 | lol |
| 23:24.06 | Coweater | torrent app |
| 23:24.09 | chewy2 | torrent lightweight |
| 23:24.25 | chewy2 | !deluge-torrent |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | dude .. it's not there |
| 23:24.43 | Coweater | !info deluge-torrent |
| 23:24.46 | dpkg | deluge-torrent: (A Bittorrent client written in Python/PyGTK), section net, is optional. Version: 0.5.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 832 kB, Installed size: 2668 kB |
| 23:24.50 | chewy2 | there we go |
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| 23:25.40 | abrotman | yes .. but it's not in etch |
| 23:26.02 | redduck676 | if start elinks from my tty it has colors and everyting and i'm happy. if i start it from screen it is black and white and i'm sad. if i try to fool elinks and tell it TERM=linux it displays colors but some characters (for example in the first window that asks you ''enter url'') are screwed up and not straight lines like they are if i start elinks from tty. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 23:26.24 | chewy2 | Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?i ran apt-get update again and got that error, i ran it in root terminal |
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| 23:27.18 | chewy2 | oh i had synaptic still open prob |
| 23:27.30 | chewy2 | ya no error now |
| 23:27.35 | Sweetandy | Can Debian write my essay for me? It seems to be able to do just about everything else. |
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| 23:28.15 | stoned | Sweetandy: wtf? |
| 23:28.23 | stoned | thats a horrible joke if ever I heard one |
| 23:28.27 | Sweetandy | stoned: I was, er, kidding? |
| 23:28.28 | stoned | thanks for praising debian though. |
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| 23:30.25 | Sweetandy | stoned: You must not have heard very many bad jokes, then. I know some pretty bad ones. Knock knock? |
| 23:30.54 | redduck676 | whose that? |
| 23:30.57 | chewy | deluge is in unstable |
| 23:31.08 | Sweetandy | Cargo |
| 23:31.16 | redduck676 | cargo who? |
| 23:31.20 | Sweetandy | Cargo beep beep!! |
| 23:31.26 | redduck676 | :-) |
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| 23:32.54 | Sweetandy | I'm just here to bring joy to y'all. |
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| 23:40.34 | linlin | when i run apt-get upgrade it doesnt actually upgrade anthing, instead it displays a list of packages its "holding back" |
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| 23:42.28 | azeem | linlin: run apt-get dist-upgrade (but inspect whether it removes/adds important packages) |
| 23:43.01 | linlin | what is that going to do |
| 23:43.17 | linlin | i dont want to upgrade to etch yet, unless i have to |
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| 23:43.43 | ApEtc | linlin: It will only upgrade if your sources has etch set. |
| 23:43.49 | h3sp4wn | switch stable/sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:43.50 | azeem | linlin: did you put stable or sarge in your sources.list? |
| 23:44.01 | azeem | ApEtc: or stable |
| 23:44.08 | linlin | its stable right now |
| 23:44.18 | linlin | i havnt changed it |
| 23:44.25 | azeem | linlin: then you're probably already half-way to etch |
| 23:44.28 | ApEtc | Eek |
| 23:44.33 | linlin | ummm |
| 23:44.44 | linlin | thats kinda bad |
| 23:44.45 | azeem | linlin: it should have upgraded 200+ packages when you last ran apt-get upgrade |
| 23:44.49 | ApEtc | linlin: Since etch is the new stable, if you ran an update then upgrade with that in your sources file, you probably already have some etch stuff. |
| 23:44.55 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 23:45.01 | linlin | yeah i get that :-/ |
| 23:45.06 | azeem | linlin: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:45.08 | Tobsn | any ideas how to just output a file to grep with wget? |
| 23:45.10 | h3sp4wn | unlikely to without dist-upgrade |
| 23:45.10 | linlin | any risk of this killing th box? |
| 23:45.25 | azeem | Tobsn: wget -O - http://foo | grep bar |
| 23:45.32 | Tobsn | -O - ? |
| 23:45.36 | Tobsn | thats the secret? |
| 23:45.36 | linlin | i didnt wnat to do this yet since i havnt backed up |
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| 23:45.44 | azeem | then back up now |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say ? |
| 23:45.59 | linlin | well /home is on another physical drive so i should be poretty well off |
| 23:46.06 | linlin | still, i didnt really wnat this to heppen yet |
| 23:46.28 | linlin | see, the machine is in a colocation facility, i dont want to loose connectivity to it |
| 23:46.43 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 23:46.44 | linlin | i was going to wait for my KVM over IP to be hooked up to do etch |
| 23:46.50 | Tobsn | azeem, that doesnt work |
| 23:46.57 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 23:46.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:46.59 | Tobsn | 01:46:44 (25.54 MB/s) - `-' saved |
| 23:47.07 | Tobsn | just gimme a sec ;) |
| 23:47.21 | azeem | Tobsn: then your grep didn't match |
| 23:47.35 | azeem | Tobsn: add 2> /dev/null, maybe |
| 23:47.36 | Tobsn | -O - means save file as "-" |
| 23:47.53 | Tobsn | wasnt there something like -O tty? |
| 23:47.54 | azeem | Tobsn: try without the | grep |
| 23:48.18 | Tobsn | hmm you're right. without grep it works |
| 23:48.31 | azeem | 01:47 < azeem> Tobsn: then your grep didn't match |
| 23:48.35 | Tobsn | wget -q -O - |
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| 23:49.19 | bohsain | where can i found the official testing apt source file? |
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| 23:53.04 | stoned | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 23:53.10 | stoned | !tell bohsain -about mirrors |
| 23:53.59 | abrotman | but you really shouldn't use ftp.debian.org |
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| 23:56.28 | bohsain | stoned: th.x |
| 23:56.32 | Muisje | how can i execute a shell command when people who are in a specific group login to shell? |
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| 23:57.29 | daeos | how can i read #354622 about ice weasel? |
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| 23:58.12 | redduck676 | Muisje: add some your code enclosed in some if to /etc/profile? |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 23:58.26 | chewy | damnit, deluge was in testing |
| 23:58.33 | chewy | finally! thx |
| 23:58.51 | Muisje | redduck676 i totally am new to doing this :P |
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| 23:59.25 | Muisje | or in other words, /etc/profile isn't going to make a lightbubble burn her |
| 23:59.29 | Muisje | here* |
