| 00:00.27 | Muisje | i need a sort of if ($USER ingroup SUBVERSION) { do svn co; } |
| 00:00.35 | daeos | abrotman: wanna give a 'rundown' or the 'jist' of what this means? |
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| 00:01.14 | redduck676 | Muisje: maybe something like: if grep -q `id -nu` <<< `getent passwd <your group>`; then <your code>; fi |
| 00:01.21 | n3kl | Any reason why some DvDRs would burn and some would not. Different brand. |
| 00:01.26 | redduck676 | errr, not passwd but group |
| 00:01.41 | Muisje | wow, your good. |
| 00:01.50 | Muisje | or atleast better than me :) |
| 00:01.50 | abrotman | daeos: uhm .. mozilla doesn't want us to use their trademark .. so we're not |
| 00:01.53 | stoned | deb http://ftp.<your country code>.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | daeos: or read the whole thing :) |
| 00:02.00 | stoned | abrotman: that should be better eh |
| 00:02.08 | abrotman | if they have a country code :) |
| 00:02.11 | stoned | heh |
| 00:02.22 | daeos | abrotman: oh i read it.... and... i don't really understand why mozilla has its panties in a wad over |
| 00:02.52 | Muisje | wow redduck676 your code worked perfectly :) |
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| 00:03.07 | abrotman | daeos: uhm .. it's their trademakr .. if they don't want us using it .. we can't |
| 00:03.13 | redduck676 | Muisje: good, now get me a beer. |
| 00:03.14 | redduck676 | :-) |
| 00:03.32 | Muisje | Dude i'll get you a 5 liter vessle |
| 00:03.34 | Muisje | :D |
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| 00:03.49 | redduck676 | :-) |
| 00:04.13 | Ankman | *mmmmm* beer |
| 00:04.25 | daeos | abrotman: thats like telling ms they can't use it either |
| 00:04.31 | daeos | abrotman: but ms would sue them im sure |
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| 00:05.33 | debian | hi |
| 00:05.34 | abrotman | that's part of owning a trademark |
| 00:05.35 | debian | how are you |
| 00:05.36 | dpkg | debian: you know how it is... |
| 00:05.47 | debian | dude i have a nice chicks in my bed |
| 00:05.53 | debian | i m goona eat his pussy |
| 00:05.59 | abrotman | debian: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 00:06.12 | stoned | how totally inappropriate |
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| 00:06.24 | stoned | talking about she males |
| 00:06.26 | stoned | disgusting |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | stoned: because you never talk about inappropriate things ... |
| 00:06.37 | wols | stoned: "a nice chicks in my bed" "eat his pussy". Damn transvestites? |
| 00:06.42 | stoned | abrotman: you're right, I don't. |
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| 00:07.31 | bohsain | when gnome 2.18 come to testing ? |
| 00:07.51 | stoned | bohsain: it will be there when it gets there. |
| 00:07.53 | abrotman | when it gets there ? |
| 00:08.28 | streuner | bohsain: wir |
| 00:09.39 | bohsain | what version of gnome now in sid? |
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| 00:09.55 | stoned | streuner: nice band/video |
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| 00:10.03 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:10.14 | stoned | streuner: german? |
| 00:10.21 | streuner | bohsain: why are you care? |
| 00:10.31 | delire | out of interest what is the 3 letter acronym given to the new security standard available in Etch? |
| 00:10.42 | stoned | streuner: it sounded like Rammstein |
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| 00:10.54 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel sid |
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| 00:10.57 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME 2), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 380 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 00:10.57 | bohsain | streuner: cuz if it 2.18 i'll upgrade |
| 00:11.00 | streuner | stoned: wir=when its ready ;-) |
| 00:11.17 | stoned | streuner: what the fuck? |
| 00:11.33 | stoned | streuner: I'm talking about the video you linked me earlier |
| 00:11.34 | streuner | stoned: oh, you're refering to youtube and the URL i gave you :-) |
| 00:11.42 | stoned | yessir |
| 00:11.50 | streuner | stoned: nah, that's Ozric Tentacles ;-) |
| 00:11.58 | stoned | good shit mate |
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| 00:12.20 | streuner | yeah, they playing pretty nice music like PF or PT |
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| 00:12.51 | stoned | I been listening to a lot of Psyopus lately. NYC metalcore. Really technical whacky shiz. |
| 00:12.56 | grim76 | Where can I change the KDM login theme? |
| 00:13.28 | stoned | grim76: kcontrol > system Administration > LoginManager |
| 00:13.29 | streuner | grim76: over kdm themes? |
| 00:14.03 | streuner | kde-look.org should have some more themes about |
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| 00:14.48 | streuner | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozric_Tentacles |
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| 00:15.23 | grim76 | stoned I don't see an option to supply a path to /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes |
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| 00:15.41 | abrotman | oh clearly you're blind .. it has options for everything |
| 00:15.49 | tuvwx | i have a 4.4 GB file that won't be written to dvd. k3b says it can't be larger than 4.0GB although i can write multiple files whose sizes add up to ~4.4GB! what am i missing? |
| 00:15.49 | PinkFreud | Is the linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 package broken? |
| 00:15.49 | streuner | well, read the docs about (README or INSTALL stuff) |
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| 00:16.04 | \x-it | So I thought I fixed permissions but now it is telling me my root password is wrong? I know what it is, it is right. wtf |
| 00:16.25 | tuvwx | other burning software would just fail with no explanation. k3b was the only one complaining about size |
| 00:16.27 | gg_hp57 | how do i specify different download locations for a file type in firefox/iceweasel? ie. *.exe > folder a | *.rar > folder b |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | i think it's one folder for all |
| 00:16.47 | PinkFreud | apparently, the libc6-xen package is installing libraries in /lib/i686/nosegneg. the xen kernel image package fails to take this into account when creating the initrd, though. |
| 00:17.12 | \x-it | aye, no way to do that in firefox unless there is an extension in the addons repository on mozilla.org |
| 00:17.16 | PinkFreud | which leads to a kernel panic on boot with a complaint about libcrypt.so.1 not being found |
| 00:17.20 | grim76 | abrotman: yes I have the theme in that folder, but if I recall correctly there is a file that I must edit in order to point to the new theme. |
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| 00:18.53 | abrotman | grim76: i could tell you what i know about KDE .. but then stoned would yell at me |
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| 00:19.09 | daeos | abrotman: omg you must be the reincarnation of budda |
| 00:19.30 | grim76 | Ahhh well I don't think that would be something that we would want to happen judging by the statement. |
| 00:19.35 | PinkFreud | hrmph. |
| 00:20.02 | PinkFreud | anyone with any ideas about the xen linux image in etch? :) |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | !find libcrypt.so.1 etch |
| 00:20.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libcrypt.so.1' (4): (/lib64/libcrypt.so.1) in libs/libc6-amd64 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/libcrypt.so.1) in libdevel/libc6-dbg ;; (/lib/libcrypt.so.1, /lib/tls/libcrypt.so.1) in libs/libc6 ;; (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libcrypt.so.1) in libs/libc6-i686,libs/libc6-xen. |
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| 00:21.06 | delire | ahh the days of Yore |
| 00:21.30 | PinkFreud | libc6-xen: /lib/i686/nosegneg/libcrypt-2.5.so |
| 00:21.31 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 00:21.59 | PinkFreud | again, the problem is that linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 fails to take this into account |
| 00:22.28 | PinkFreud | mkinitrd copies it into the initrd - but there's no ld.so.conf to tell the loader to look there. |
| 00:22.43 | PinkFreud | iow, *something* is broken. :) |
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| 00:23.32 | PinkFreud | unless I'm missing something |
| 00:24.05 | daeos | abrotman: guess you didn't find that funny |
| 00:26.31 | abrotman | daeos: sorry .. was washing dishes :) |
| 00:27.18 | Sweetandy | Is PDF format not the same as Acrobat PDF? |
| 00:28.29 | Sweetandy | I ask because TurnItIn.com, what my school uses for essay submission, has refused every format I've shot at it that came from AbiWord. This includes, HTML, PostScript, and PDF |
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| 00:28.48 | abrotman | Sweetandy: pdf is pdf .. though there are different versions of PDF |
| 00:29.20 | Sweetandy | !PDF |
| 00:29.21 | dpkg | hmm... pdf is Pretty Dumb Format, or the Portable Document Format created by Adobe to replace PS for use with Acrobat or viewable with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, adobe reader (free download, but closed source) or gv/gnome-gv. use ps.gz instead! |
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| 00:31.29 | xNinja | hi |
| 00:31.58 | xNinja | i am searching for a good centralized log server...any opinions ? |
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| 00:32.39 | abrotman | syslogd ? |
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| 00:33.42 | xNinja | i'll go for it |
| 00:33.45 | abrotman | erm .. sysklogd |
| 00:34.14 | xNinja | better than syslogd ? |
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| 00:35.48 | chewy | anyone know the name of the program that manages users and groups? |
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| 00:36.09 | abrotman | both gnome and KDE have gui apps to do it |
| 00:36.15 | chewy | i have xfce |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | you can still install those apps |
| 00:36.38 | chewy | whats it called |
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| 00:36.52 | redduck676 | chewy: adduser, it is not giu tho. |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | in gnome it's 'users-admin' |
| 00:37.18 | redduck676 | also check out deluser and addgroup. |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | i assumed he wanted a GUI |
| 00:40.34 | daeos | abrotman: after i had upgraded to etch.... aptitude is telling me there some packages that aren't used and that should be removed... i didn't choose these... should i let aptitude remove them? |
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| 00:40.47 | abrotman | if you're not using them :) |
| 00:41.29 | chewy | synaptic=soo much easier to find crap and read... |
| 00:41.51 | daeos | abrotman: i was wondering if they have been 2.4 dependant packages and trying to see if maybe they are recommened to be removed for that very reason |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | since i don't know what they are .. i can't really say :) |
| 00:42.27 | chewy | users-admin isnt installed with xfce-debian etch, wth damn that cd so many problems.... |
| 00:42.28 | PinkFreud | any ideas on where else to go for the xen packages in etch? |
| 00:42.28 | daeos | abrotman: what info should info should i provide you in order for you to be able ot tell me |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | chewy: install it ? |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | !find users-admin etch |
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| 00:42.54 | abrotman | daeos: paste the list of packages ? |
| 00:42.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'users-admin' (1): (/usr/bin/users-admin, /usr/share/gnome/help/users-admin/C/users-admin.xml, /usr/share/gnome/help/users-admin/es/users-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools. |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | PinkFreud: #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:43.30 | simonrvn | enouf: actually, it only points to g++ |
| 00:43.32 | PinkFreud | meh, already there, but they're all asleep. |
| 00:43.38 | PinkFreud | I'll wait for them to respond, then. |
| 00:43.39 | chewy | when i do apt-get install it doesnt find it...damnit pisses me off, ive been doin this crap all day... |
| 00:43.40 | simonrvn | my last message, heheh |
| 00:43.40 | PinkFreud | abrotman: thanks. |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | PinkFreud: try again in the morning :) |
| 00:43.50 | abrotman | PinkFreud: there's also #debian-kerne |
| 00:43.52 | abrotman | kernel |
| 00:43.58 | PinkFreud | on here, or oftc? |
| 00:43.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: a bit delayed eh ? |
| 00:44.02 | abrotman | PinkFreud: OFTC |
| 00:44.08 | PinkFreud | alrighty. I'll check there too. |
| 00:44.10 | PinkFreud | Thanks again. |
| 00:44.27 | simonrvn | not even sure if it got through hehe |
| 00:44.32 | simonrvn | (last time) |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | i doubt enouf really cares anymore :) |
| 00:45.03 | simonrvn | probably not ;) |
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| 00:46.24 | maddash | weeeeeeee encfs! |
| 00:46.54 | Nemoder | chewy: 'apt-get update; apt-get install synaptic' should work fine, if not you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:47.28 | chewy | ya i did that earlier today, i went threw a bunch of crap to get mplayer and mplayer plugin |
| 00:47.40 | chewy | tired of not being able to sudo |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | did you install synaptic yet ? |
| 00:47.45 | abrotman | so install sudo |
| 00:47.59 | maddash | alias sudo='su -c' |
| 00:48.05 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 00:48.41 | Nemoder | chewy: if you can't get synaptic installed try running aptitude, it should already be installed |
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| 00:49.42 | chewy | i have synaptic, its my source list, the default is retarded... xfce etch cd sucks... |
| 00:50.11 | stoned | maddash: you're crazy |
| 00:50.23 | maddash | stoned: ? |
| 00:50.30 | Nemoder | xfce etch cd? I don't think that's an official debian release is it? |
| 00:50.37 | stoned | thats a stupid alias |
| 00:50.38 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 00:50.46 | abrotman | Nemoder: yes it is |
| 00:50.49 | maddash | how? |
| 00:50.49 | oblio_ | 'lo |
| 00:50.49 | spldart | What's the easiest way to setup debian rig on my lan, cable internet, to share internet access but not access to my lan shares on it's wireless? squid? bridging? |
| 00:51.01 | Nemoder | abrotman: oh, cool |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | maddash: sudo does a bit more than that |
| 00:51.04 | chewy | yes it is |
| 00:51.09 | maddash | stoned: i'm the only user on my system, so sudo has no use for me |
| 00:51.15 | oblio | i have a hosted server i want to get debian on, and my provider doesn't support it, but is open to me attempting to do whatever i want remotely. |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 00:51.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 00:51.39 | oblio | nice |
| 00:51.40 | oblio | thank you |
| 00:51.44 | stoned | maddash: im the only one living in my aprtment, why should I still hide my money in a safe |
| 00:51.54 | abrotman | stoned: people can break into your house ? |
| 00:52.02 | stoned | uhh yeah |
| 00:52.05 | stoned | this is nyc |
| 00:52.06 | freetos | why do you think my network manager applet shows no network connection when there is one? |
| 00:52.07 | stoned | you never know |
| 00:52.08 | wols | stoned: that's a trick question. You don't have money! |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | which is a bad analogy in this case :) |
| 00:52.17 | stoned | yeh yeh blah |
| 00:52.25 | stoned | wols: oh burn |
| 00:52.32 | stoned | wols: 1, stoned: 0 |
| 00:52.36 | Avochelm | i have a key. why do i need a lock? |
| 00:53.19 | maddash | stoned: er, try again |
| 00:53.19 | stoned | maddash: you should probably learn the difference between sudo and doing stuff as root |
| 00:53.30 | stoned | clearly you do not know. |
| 00:53.41 | maddash | 20:51:09 <maddash> stoned: i'm the only user on my system, so sudo has no use for me |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | maddash: chewy might not be ... |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | and it's still a horrible idea |
| 00:54.08 | stoned | maddash: I said what I had to say and I won't say it again. Have it your way. |
| 00:55.12 | maddash | abrotman: it's easier for me to type 'sudo' than 'su -c' |
| 00:55.12 | maddash | stoned: ^^ |
| 00:55.23 | hudlee123 | I get a 'Please append a corrent "root=" boot option' kernel panic when trying to boot my fresh debian install with grub... root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 boot |
| 00:55.30 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:55.48 | stoned | I second that label |
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| 00:57.23 | Nemoder | hudlee123: which version of debian and what kind of hard drive? |
| 00:57.37 | hudlee123 | 4.0 on a laptop hd |
| 00:57.42 | wols | hudlee123: and it's connected to what controller? |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | maddash: so you're lazy and can't read docs or type .. and that means you tell someone else to do the same ? |
| 00:57.57 | Nemoder | PATA or SATA? |
| 00:58.14 | hudlee123 | pata |
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| 00:58.36 | stoned | sata drives don't labled as hda but sda, right? |
| 00:58.42 | stoned | +get |
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| 00:58.45 | Nemoder | depends on kernel |
| 00:59.18 | Nemoder | no wait, that's pata that is now sd* on the newest kernel (i think) |
| 00:59.44 | maddash | stoned: yes |
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| 00:59.53 | abrotman | stoned: depends on the kernel |
| 00:59.53 | Nemoder | I don't know of any issues with PATA w/ etch though, maybe the bios on the laptop is doing something funky |
| 00:59.57 | stoned | maddash: I didn't say anything to you. |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | and the controller IIRC |
| 01:00.12 | stoned | abrotman was the one who asked you the question |
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| 01:00.23 | abrotman | stoned: he was responding to your question :) |
| 01:00.27 | stoned | oh |
| 01:00.28 | maddash | stoned: don't be foolish -- i answered your open question. |
| 01:00.28 | f00li5h | maddash: away : i am sleeping |
| 01:00.30 | stoned | word then |
| 01:00.36 | abrotman | maddash: but were wrong! :) |
| 01:00.48 | Nemoder | hudlee123: what model laptop? |
| 01:00.49 | stoned | comes from a lack of reading docs and being lazy |
| 01:00.51 | abrotman | !tell f00li5h about away |
| 01:00.51 | stoned | :) |
| 01:00.51 | maddash | f00li5h: huh? |
| 01:01.01 | maddash | foolish |
| 01:01.08 | abrotman | foolish |
| 01:01.08 | f00li5h | abrotman: away : i am sleeping |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | better ? |
| 01:01.16 | maddash | abrotman: no. |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | do something about it |
| 01:01.37 | stoned | supa fly |
| 01:01.44 | hudlee123 | Nemoder: thinkpad t30 |
| 01:02.26 | amphi | hudlee123: see thinkwiki.org perhaps |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:02.49 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 01:03.56 | Nemoder | hudlee123: the drive partitioning all went smoothly though? |
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| 01:04.48 | hudlee123 | Nemoder: yeah and grub finds the kernel ok |
| 01:04.58 | freetos | gtk-gnutella and limewire unavailable for debian? synaptic comes up empty |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | freetos: not in stable |
| 01:05.43 | netdaemon | ah, how does one get kde to work with sudo when i need admin privledges? |
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| 01:08.23 | daeos | abrotman: what is the url to the pastebin people use here alot? pastebin.org ? |
| 01:08.28 | Nemoder | hudlee123: only time I ever had an error like that was when I didn't have the right ATA modules compiled into my custom kernel but on a stock install I don't see how that could happen |
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| 01:09.20 | Nemoder | hudlee123: I can't remember how the etch installer works, if it gives you the option to try a different kernel i'd try that |
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| 01:10.12 | daeos | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/453482 |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | that's a lot of stuff |
| 01:11.33 | daeos | abrotman: yep thats why im asking |
| 01:11.42 | daeos | abrotman: its telling me that it all will be removed |
| 01:11.47 | daeos | abrotman: and i never selected it |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | daeos: uname -a |
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| 01:15.41 | daeos | abrotman: you lost me when you said uname -a |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | it's a command :) |
| 01:16.12 | daeos | Linux Rogue-Server 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | i think you're okay .. but it's still a lot of stuff |
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| 01:17.14 | daeos | let me paste what aptitude said about those lib files |
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| 01:18.36 | daeos | Some packages were broken and have been fixed: |
| 01:18.36 | daeos | Keep the following packages at their current version: |
| 01:18.37 | daeos | module-assistant [0.10.8 (stable, now)] |
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| 01:19.01 | daeos | ignore this right ? "WARNING: the package cache is opened in read-only mode!" |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | yeah |
| 01:20.14 | mike | err ok |
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| 01:20.58 | daeos | These packages are being deleted because they were automatically installed to . |
| 01:20.58 | daeos | fulfill dependencies, and the planned action will result in no installed . |
| 01:21.02 | daeos | package declaring an 'important' dependency on them. |
| 01:21.16 | daeos | bluefish was installed automatically; it is being removed because all of the . |
| 01:21.20 | daeos | packages which depend upon it are being removed: |
| 01:21.38 | daeos | be right back..... something important at work calls |
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| 01:22.01 | lostson | work on a sunday night ? |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | maybe he's not .us ? |
| 01:22.41 | freetos | does anybody know how to add "testing" for etch? |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | add it ? |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | mixing stable/testing is bad |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | freetos: what are you looking for ? |
| 01:23.21 | freetos | gtk-gnutella |
| 01:23.47 | freetos | or limewire |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | freetos: /msg simple sid backport .. and be very careful that you read all the instructions |
| 01:24.27 | freetos | does sid apps run on etch, i unchecked sid repo in syanptic |
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| 01:24.42 | abrotman | freetos: you're making your own backport |
| 01:24.47 | daeos | im here now... |
| 01:24.56 | daeos | oh yeah |
| 01:24.58 | daeos | work on a sunday |
| 01:25.09 | daeos | tech support works 24 hours a day |
| 01:25.18 | GhostlyDeath | what's trackerd? |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | eww .. he works for rackspace! |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: i don't see it in etch |
| 01:26.17 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: me neither. |
| 01:26.20 | GhostlyDeath | I killed it though |
| 01:26.32 | GhostlyDeath | Processor cooled down a lot thoug |
| 01:26.51 | giorgian | hi; i've installed debian-keyring and debian-multimedia-keyring, but apt still complains about the key (1162FF325688622F) for "deb http://people.debian.org/~srivasta packages/"; is there another keyring package to install? |
| 01:26.51 | giorgian | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.10 | GhostlyDeath | What's the command to see what files are installed in packages? |
| 01:27.16 | GhostlyDeath | so I can see where this tracker daemon is in |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | !apt-key 5688622F |
| 01:27.17 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 5688622F ; gpg --export 5688622F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 01:27.22 | daeos | abrotman: oh i wish i did |
| 01:27.27 | daeos | abrotman: but no, twc |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | even worse! |
| 01:27.45 | dererk | Yeah! Kqemu Gpl entered on testing :D |
| 01:28.27 | giorgian | abrotman: already tried: gpgkeys: key 5688622F not found on keyserver |
| 01:29.02 | giorgian | GhostlyDeath: you mean, which package contains a single file? |
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| 01:29.24 | lostson | is gnome 2.18 in testing or unstable |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | giorgian: gonna make it hard to get the key then |
| 01:29.25 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 01:29.38 | daeos | abrotman: yes, it is worse... like this lady with a speech issue that wanted us to fix a computer she got at a yard sale and didn't know how to turn it on or plug it in..yes its worse here (oh and whats funny.... they had internet with us too! and wanted that fixed also) |
| 01:30.11 | giorgian | abrotman: how can it be? didn't srivasta put his key in the debian keyring? |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | the debian keyring is for official keys |
| 01:30.52 | giorgian | GhostlyDeath: dpkg -S /path/for/the/file |
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| 01:31.18 | giorgian | abrotman: somebody told me that there's a "developers' keyring"... |
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| 01:31.50 | giorgian | (is there a reason to use different keys for official and unofficial packages?) |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | !info debian-keyring etch |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | debian-keyring: (GnuPG (and obsolete PGP) keys of Debian Developers), section misc, is optional. Version: 2005.05.28 (etch), Packaged size: 11241 kB, Installed size: 14544 kB |
| 01:32.06 | Fenix-Dark | hey |
| 01:32.16 | giorgian | already installed that |
| 01:32.23 | Fenix-Dark | how would i be able to see the size of a folder and all its contents via CLI? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | giorgian: did you run apt-get update or aptitude update aftewards ? |
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| 01:32.33 | abrotman | Fenix-Dark: du -sh |
| 01:32.36 | Fenix-Dark | i know to do ls -lh, but thats only superficial |
| 01:32.38 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
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| 01:32.46 | giorgian | abrotman: yes, but i still get that error |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | giorgian: all i can say is to email manoj then .. |
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| 01:33.36 | Fenix-Dark | now where was the loss in logic when they named those utilities? |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | Fenix-Dark: they were hippies :) |
| 01:33.46 | Sweetandy | Is there a reason why so many people are on IRC today? |
| 01:33.46 | Fenix-Dark | no one is going to think, hrm file size, lets try du |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | Sweetandy: this channel is always about this big |
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| 01:34.22 | Sweetandy | abrotman: I'm used to it being about half this. Hmm. And #ubuntu is *swamped* *gulp* |
| 01:34.41 | daeos | Sweetandy: yeah its not irc as a whole..... #debian is always full, #ubuntu usually flows over to us |
| 01:34.42 | abrotman | Sweetandy: this channel is almost always this big .. maybe you're htinking of #debian on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 01:34.55 | giorgian | Fenix-Dark: those commands are very old; i think that disk (and memory) space was very important, at that time |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | Sweetandy: and they just had a release |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | Sweetandy: and they make broken stuff :) |
| 01:35.38 | xsdg | abrotman: heh |
| 01:35.38 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Hmm, likely. |
| 01:35.56 | PingFloyd | that's because #ubuntu has more noobs asking 20 questions |
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| 01:36.09 | giorgian | Fenix-Dark: but you can alias a_very_long_and_understable_alias_for_the_hard_to_remember_command_du='du' |
| 01:36.14 | daeos | PingFloyd: im a n00b too.... and i asked less i think |
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| 01:36.29 | PingFloyd | you know, people with a phobia of reading |
| 01:36.35 | Fenix-Dark | giorgian, ok, i still think that they could used bettery acronyms for plenty of the utilities |
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| 01:36.48 | freetos | abrotman, thank you |
| 01:36.51 | Fenix-Dark | could have used better acronyms* |
| 01:37.01 | abrotman | Fenix-Dark: oreilly makes a nice concise reference for stuff like that |
| 01:37.02 | giorgian | Fenix-Dark: ok, use a time machine, go back and tell them |
| 01:37.11 | Fenix-Dark | ok |
| 01:37.24 | Fenix-Dark | giorgian, i'll put that on my to-do list |
| 01:37.28 | freetos | is there a site which gives the current apps in testing? |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | well .. dunno about concise .. but short enough |
| 01:37.33 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 01:37.34 | PingFloyd | you type in a command enough times, it will become a moot point |
| 01:38.00 | stoned | funny seein PingFloyd |
| 01:38.01 | Sweetandy | !pebmac |
| 01:38.02 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Mexico And Canada, or see pebcam. Problem Exists Between Mercury And Ceres |
| 01:38.09 | Fenix-Dark | PingFloyd, yes, but if someone is unfamiliar and they dont wanna ask for every simple thing, its hard to figure out which command to use |
| 01:38.11 | Sweetandy | !pebcam |
| 01:38.11 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico.. See pebmac |
| 01:38.11 | stoned | I have been listening to The Wall incessantly for weeks now |
| 01:39.23 | \amethyst | Fenix-Dark: compared to contemporary OSs, Unix had so few commands that it wasn't a problem to expect everyone to learn them all |
| 01:39.24 | stoned | We don't need no education |
| 01:39.24 | stoned | da dana, dananananana da dana |
| 01:39.24 | stoned | lol |
| 01:39.24 | PingFloyd | Fenix-Dark: browse through /bin /usr/bin and /sbin |
| 01:39.24 | \amethyst | Fenix-Dark: I think it was a reaction to the verbose command names used in Multics |
| 01:39.24 | Fenix-Dark | \amethyst, ok |
| 01:39.24 | giorgian | Fenix-Dark: there are tons of tutorials, references and guides on that subject |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 01:39.25 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 01:39.25 | Fenix-Dark | giorgian, yes, i know that |
| 01:39.25 | daeos | !id10t |
| 01:39.25 | dpkg | id10t is, like, a chair to keyboard user interface error. |
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| 01:39.47 | troubled | http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7374585792978336967 if your into politics i guess |
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| 01:40.41 | snowbird | sound trouble |
| 01:40.57 | abrotman | troubled: #politics |
| 01:41.06 | snowbird | ok |
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| 01:41.13 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 01:41.19 | Ankman | yo |
| 01:41.29 | Gnurdux | how do i set the volume label of my pen drive in debian testing without doing an mkfs? |
| 01:41.46 | sc13nc3 | a |
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| 01:42.13 | giorgian | troubled: it speaks too fast for me |
| 01:42.15 | Miles_Prower | WOOT! FUTURAMA MARATHON! |
| 01:45.00 | Sweetandy | !pebkac |
| 01:45.00 | dpkg | i guess pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 01:45.27 | Sweetandy | !pebcak |
| 01:45.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | Sweetandy: msg the bot |
| 01:45.58 | Sweetandy | abrotman: Awe... fine. |
| 01:46.12 | troubled | giorgian: interesting style he has though. never heard of him before |
| 01:46.19 | troubled | giorgian: lot of it is above my comprehension though :( |
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| 01:46.53 | g_robot | could someone point me to a GOOD ivman document, im trying to get automount working |
| 01:47.55 | valdis3 | gnurdux: try "e2label /dev/pen_drive new_volume_name" if it is ext2 or ext3 |
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| 01:52.56 | giorgian | what kind of bot is dpkg? i asked him "dpkg" and "bot", but it didn't say anything useful... |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | blootbot |
| 01:53.18 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 01:53.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
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| 01:53.51 | \amethyst | dpkg, what are you? |
| 01:53.51 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:54.31 | giorgian | oh, i didn't think of asking that! |
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| 01:55.13 | cybermad | how to make.. when client on Intranet open http://server will redirect to http://172.168.1.100 ? |
| 01:55.35 | scead | grep “^$” test That command doesn't work because no lines end with nothing? |
| 01:55.39 | \amethyst | cybermad: For the whole intranet, or one particular computer? |
| 01:55.41 | scead | is that the correct terminology? |
| 01:55.53 | cybermad | \amethyst the whole intranet |
| 01:56.24 | cybermad | \amethyst because client sometime forgot the web server IP |
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| 01:56.42 | \amethyst | cybermad: you set up a nameserver, add an entry to it, and point all the clients to that as their DNS server |
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| 01:56.59 | \amethyst | scead: that should print each blank line in test |
| 01:57.10 | scead | ahh, thats what it does |
| 01:57.12 | scead | thanks mate |
| 01:57.24 | gnat_x | has anyone else experienced a problem with VLC where when looking at NSV streams, you get audio but no video? |
| 01:57.28 | parsonsd | Are there any Real Player mozilla plugins available from dkg? |
| 01:57.41 | abrotman | mozilla-mplayer maybe |
| 01:57.52 | parsonsd | --or must i suffer the indignity of the RealPlayer 10 installer? |
| 01:57.53 | parsonsd | ok |
| 01:58.07 | parsonsd | will try, abrotman |
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| 01:58.24 | wols_ | cybermad: use dnsmasq on a server, set that server as the dns server for all clients. on the server put "172.168.1.100 server" |
| 01:58.30 | cybermad | \amethyst ok, i already did that.. i think that's the best option :) i already setup the DNS Server, i add www.server.com will redirect to that IP, but i got problem when user enter server.com or server ,i use MikroTik, if this mikrotik problem.. nevermind.. i will try figure out |
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| 01:59.48 | \amethyst | cybermad: then you need to add entries for "server.com" and "server". |
| 02:00.55 | parsonsd | oh, crap. i can't just apt-get mozilla-mplayer. i haven't updated to lenny or made etch stable....i last got updates over a month ago |
| 02:00.59 | parsonsd | *sigh* |
| 02:01.39 | wols_ | pasky: use etch |
| 02:02.32 | cybermad | \amethyst well.. ok, it works.. when i type server or www.server.com on address bar (browser) it will redirect to that server, but problem when i type server.com (without the www), but i already add server.com to my webserver.. |
| 02:03.00 | cybermad | i just want to make it perfect.. so all possibility will redirect to intranet web server |
| 02:03.14 | cybermad | but it's ok, if can not |
| 02:03.24 | parsonsd | cybermad, sounds like routing, not setup of httpd |
| 02:04.01 | parsonsd | cybermad, maybe adjust the inbound router to autoforward port 80 to www |
| 02:04.18 | cybermad | parsonsd i think the httpd is ok.. thanks parsonsd, i will try your idea :) |
| 02:05.39 | parsonsd | how do i get #debian to report the connection mesg again? i don't want to scroll ALLLLLL the way back up |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | parsonsd: /topic ? |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | or /cycle |
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| 02:06.44 | parsonsd | abrotman - /topic did it. this is a irc client cmd, then? |
| 02:06.48 | parsonsd | reg |
| 02:06.50 | parsonsd | erg |
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| 02:07.19 | abrotman | parsonsd: yes |
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| 02:11.56 | parsonsd | abrotman, thnx |
| 02:11.57 | daeos | abrotman: so on the topic of what i posted in pastebin... do i left aptitude remove it all? |
| 02:11.57 | abrotman | what's the worst thing that happens :) |
| 02:12.18 | daeos | left = let |
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| 02:14.21 | cwheeler | is it possible to have repositories in sources.list which are only used for certain packages? |
| 02:14.44 | cwheeler | say i want to use postgresql from experimental but etch for everything else? |
| 02:14.46 | jetscreamer | !tell cwheeler -about apt-pinning |
| 02:14.53 | dondelelcaro | cwheeler: yes; experimental is automatically pinned. |
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| 02:15.08 | dondelelcaro | (but beware of experimental) |
| 02:15.49 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 02:15.56 | daeos | abrotman: so you are saying.. just let it go then ? |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | daeos: i think you're okay .. it's a lot of packages .. but i think they've all been superceded |
| 02:16.34 | dondelelcaro | what was the paste link? |
| 02:16.41 | ghostkernel | what is the deafult kernel for the latest debian? |
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| 02:16.59 | dondelelcaro | ghostkernel: 2.6.18-4 |
| 02:17.00 | EdLin | ghostkernel: 2.6.18 in etch |
| 02:17.13 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, do you remember the link u sent me yesterday? can u send me again plz :S |
| 02:17.18 | Gmoliv | \amethyst, i lost them |
| 02:17.19 | EdLin | !u |
| 02:17.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:17.38 | jetscreamer | he typed you once how many is/are needed |
| 02:17.54 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: all of them, of course. |
| 02:18.05 | Gmoliv | well |
| 02:18.08 | jetscreamer | and given the amount of chars i type, why can't i use shortness? |
| 02:18.26 | jetscreamer | that adds up over a year |
| 02:18.28 | ghostkernel | does anyone know the debian spanish channel? |
| 02:18.33 | dondelelcaro | ghostkernel: #debian-es |
| 02:18.34 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 02:18.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:18.41 | ghostkernel | thanxs |
| 02:18.47 | EdLin | jetscreamer: the floggings will continue until moralle improves |
| 02:19.00 | jetscreamer | kinky |
| 02:19.18 | EdLin | somehow I knew you would say that. ;-) |
| 02:19.46 | daeos | dondelelcaro: let me get it |
| 02:19.54 | jetscreamer | did you also know that i would say/type that i know how to fix the recent nvidia-installer borkedness if anybody cares? |
| 02:20.03 | dondelelcaro | daeos: it's probably ok if abrotman says it is, I just thought I'd glance at it |
| 02:20.04 | daeos | http://pastebin.ca/453482 |
| 02:20.06 | Gmoliv | EdLim, the purpose of language is to esabilish comunication. if i wrote and you understood it, the message is "sent" and then the comunication is estabilished. teorically, "u" is not wrong. |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's a fairly long list :) |
| 02:20.22 | jetscreamer | theo's rectum, lee |
| 02:20.37 | dondelelcaro | oh, yeah, that's nothing |
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| 02:20.55 | daeos | dondelelcaro: ok, then i know who to point the finger at if its not :P |
| 02:20.55 | EdLin | Gmoliv: that's "EdLin", and I understood something indeed from the "u", it means "ur from AOL" |
| 02:21.06 | dondelelcaro | about the only thing I wouldn't remove is kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 02:21.10 | daeos | EdLin: edlin! as in dos editor! |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: he's already running 2.6.18 |
| 02:21.25 | jetscreamer | daeos: very good you get a botsnack |
| 02:21.25 | EdLin | daeos: yes, also as the world's worst patch(1) utility |
| 02:21.26 | dondelelcaro | and that's just because having a backup kernel installed is generally a good idea |
| 02:21.38 | jetscreamer | daeos: but you have to fight dpkg for it |
| 02:21.44 | Gmoliv | EdLin, tell that to nick completion :S |
| 02:21.44 | daeos | jetscreamer: haha |
| 02:22.04 | Sebboh | "Introducing Windows NT (new technology)! From the creators of edlin." |
| 02:22.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, not so serious then |
| 02:22.16 | daeos | Sebboh: i loved edlin |
| 02:22.21 | daeos | more than edit |
| 02:22.21 | EdLin | Gmoliv: use irssi and the nick completion will be sane |
| 02:22.25 | jetscreamer | based on NT technology |
| 02:22.35 | daeos | edlin was in dos 3.22! |
| 02:22.37 | jetscreamer | gotta love it |
| 02:22.45 | jetscreamer | edlin was in win98 even |
| 02:22.50 | daeos | ... |
| 02:22.50 | EdLin | daeos: it was probably in DOS 1.x, it was a copy of ED.COM from CP/M |
| 02:22.52 | jetscreamer | not sure but i think w2k also |
| 02:22.54 | Sebboh | edlin was based on ed, of course.. =) |
| 02:22.56 | daeos | dos 3.22 came out before that! |
| 02:23.04 | daeos | oh yeah |
| 02:23.05 | daeos | im sure |
| 02:23.05 | slakmagik | sorry if this is dumb, but I'm reading the Policy thing and playing with dpkg{,-query} and wondering why slang1a-utf8 is marked 'required'. granted, it's not marked essential, but it did (must have) gotten orphaned and purged, so why would that be a required library? |
| 02:23.07 | EdLin | Sebboh: not on ed(1), which is a Real Line Editor |
| 02:23.21 | Sebboh | EdLin: very well. |
| 02:23.34 | jetscreamer | edlin sucked! |
| 02:23.39 | jetscreamer | :) j/k no offense |
| 02:23.41 | EdLin | Unix ed(1) has regular expressions for crying out loud. |
| 02:23.42 | slakmagik | there was no 3.22 - 3.3 and 6.22 |
| 02:24.06 | EdLin | jetscreamer: I thought so too, until I saw it used as a patch utility for a complex Pro-YAM script. That was cool. |
| 02:24.13 | jetscreamer | i remember loving edit.com when it came |
| 02:24.48 | EdLin | jetscreamer: edit.com is fairly lame, at that point there was e and qedit. |
| 02:24.56 | Sebboh | edit.com used to be qbasic /e or something. =) that was cool. |
| 02:25.08 | daeos | i had fun on my commedore 64 (8088cpu , 640k ram, no hdd, 2x 5 1/4") making prompt changing bat files with edlin =) |
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| 02:25.17 | EdLin | Sebboh: yeah, almost forgot about that, it was really the QBASIC interpreter. |
| 02:25.25 | daeos | QBASIC rocked |
| 02:25.26 | slakmagik | edlin and edit were just supposed to be enough to edit autoexec.bat and config.sys. You were supposed to go buy a word processor after that. ;) |
| 02:25.28 | Sebboh | daeos: you also did a lot of acid. The c64 didn't have an 8088. |
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| 02:25.35 | EdLin | daeos: the C=64 was not a PC compatible |
| 02:25.38 | daeos | no |
| 02:25.42 | Sebboh | It had a 6062 or something. |
| 02:25.44 | n3kl | Anyone know a quick way to change all filenames to uppercase in a directory? |
| 02:25.45 | daeos | C* 64 |
| 02:25.46 | EdLin | daeos: C=128 could run CP/M though |
| 02:25.48 | EdLin | 6502 |
| 02:25.50 | daeos | i had a 64 |
| 02:25.53 | jetscreamer | man rename |
| 02:25.54 | daeos | not the little system |
| 02:25.56 | Sebboh | Thanks EdLin |
| 02:25.57 | EdLin | er, 6510 - a 6502 clone |
| 02:26.01 | daeos | let me get a pic |
| 02:26.10 | daeos | im sorry Commedore Colt |
| 02:26.19 | xsauronx | hullo all |
| 02:26.26 | wols_ | EdLin: first C64 had a 6502 iirc |
| 02:26.28 | EdLin | daeos: yeah, their last attempt at relevancy. A PC clone |
| 02:26.50 | EdLin | wols_: the 6502 and 6510 were pretty close to being the same chip, so that doesn't surprise me. |
| 02:26.51 | wols_ | EdLin: sry, you were right |
| 02:26.52 | Sebboh | I forget what I came here for. |
| 02:26.58 | Sebboh | Oh, to talk to dpkg. Right. |
| 02:26.59 | n3kl | jetscreamer: easy, thanks |
| 02:27.09 | jetscreamer | np |
| 02:27.14 | daeos | http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/compc.html |
| 02:27.20 | daeos | that one |
| 02:27.29 | daeos | cga video card |
| 02:28.00 | jetscreamer | i still have a cga and an ega somewhere |
| 02:28.29 | daeos | Sebboh: don't take me for an idiot i just mixed my #s after C up |
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| 02:28.46 | EdLin | I nearly got a 286 as my first PC - if I'd done that rather than spring for the 386sx-16, I wouldn't have run Linux 0.95 - though I reccon I would have had the Unix shell account. |
| 02:28.51 | concept10 | in the beginning there was the command line |
| 02:29.25 | daeos | my first pc was that computer, with dos 3.22, and my game to play at the time was Kroz |
| 02:29.47 | dondelelcaro | or, _In the beginning was the command line_ |
| 02:29.50 | concept10 | I cant believe how much computing history I missed.. I went from vic20/64/128 to windows 95 |
| 02:30.11 | jetscreamer | this file won't install in my debian can en-e-body halp? http://downloads.sourceforge.net/sevenzip/7z445-x64.msi |
| 02:30.12 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: or _In the Beginning Was the Command Line_ |
| 02:30.12 | daeos | any KROZ fans out there? |
| 02:30.28 | daeos | MSI!? |
| 02:30.29 | EdLin | daeos: I wonder if, OT, it can be run in an emulator... |
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| 02:30.47 | daeos | EdLin: KROZ ? using dosbox |
| 02:31.05 | jetscreamer | yes the exe won't work either... |
| 02:31.09 | concept10 | I remember it taking 30 mins to load bruce lee on the C= tape drive |
| 02:31.14 | EdLin | daeos: ah, it's a DOS game. (smacks forehead) that would work in either dosbox or dosemu |
| 02:31.21 | daeos | EdLin: yep |
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| 02:32.37 | daeos | EdLin: only problem i had with doxbox was cd in drive protection |
| 02:32.59 | EdLin | daeos: sometimes dosemu will work where dosbox won't, and vice versa. |
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| 02:33.19 | daeos | EdLin: was dosemu good at cd in drive support? or faking it ? |
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| 02:33.59 | EdLin | daeos: dosemu is less heavily emulated than dosbox. |
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| 02:35.25 | jetscreamer | xrated icecream! |
| 02:35.26 | daeos | EdLin: hmm there is a debian package right? |
| 02:36.43 | xsauronx | anyone ever have a problem with xfce/etch randomly missing input text? i dont have a problem if i use IceWM, which im not fond of. i googled, spent some time at debian forums....and ive gotten nowhere :/ |
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| 02:38.14 | siriusfox | Is anyone else having issues with Etch reseting DNS servers every time it connects to a network? |
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| 02:38.19 | stoned_ | mount: laptop:/home/stoned failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 02:38.29 | stoned_ | i am now getting this after my upgrade |
| 02:38.39 | stoned_ | what permissions, I can't figure out |
| 02:38.48 | stoned_ | any ideas? |
| 02:39.06 | stoned_ | i upgraded and rebooted and now it gives perm errors |
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| 02:39.33 | jetscreamer | chown it |
| 02:39.38 | xsauronx | siriusfox: etch doesnt like it when i use the gnome network-admin to change DNS servers, but i havent bothered looking into it yet. it works fine using DHCP but not when i set it statically |
| 02:39.46 | stoned_ | hmm |
| 02:40.27 | jetscreamer | i don't know if it matters but i chown the mountpoint also |
| 02:40.52 | stoned_ | what else besides the mountpoint |
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| 02:41.08 | jetscreamer | user or users not being in the fstab line maybe |
| 02:41.15 | stoned_ | hmm |
| 02:41.25 | stoned_ | it shouldn't have changed from 10 minutes ago |
| 02:41.29 | stoned_ | unless upgrade did something to fstab |
| 02:41.34 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 02:41.36 | jetscreamer | i doubt it |
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| 02:45.22 | stoned_ | oh fucking piece of shit stupid ass laptop |
| 02:45.33 | stoned_ | jetscreamer: i ssh'd into lappy, and restarted nfs kernel server |
| 02:45.35 | stoned_ | its all good now |
| 02:45.39 | teksimian | !help resolv.conf |
| 02:46.00 | stoned_ | i wonder why i had to do this |
| 02:46.08 | jetscreamer | man k3b is tasty in sid |
| 02:46.10 | stoned_ | linux is an enigma for me |
| 02:46.10 | siriusfox | xsauronx: would the package name for the gnome network admin tool be "network-manager-gnome"? |
| 02:46.17 | stoned_ | jetscreamer: i have yet to try it |
| 02:46.23 | stoned_ | my entire box broke |
| 02:46.28 | jetscreamer | stoned: been there, iirc i had that... no idea |
| 02:46.35 | modulozero | i'm having troubles with my twinview maximizing to only one screen. everytime i try to maximize something, it will span across both my screens. does anyone know how to solve that? |
| 02:46.42 | stoned_ | i had mixed experimental and sid and testing and god knows what else from months ago |
| 02:46.44 | jetscreamer | the restart... something about auto remounting i 'think' |
| 02:46.57 | drwahl | i have a windows partition on my ide drive (primary controller, master drive) formated in fat32. i try to mount using 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda /windows' and i get the error "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda," |
| 02:47.10 | stoned_ | snapshots and backports |
| 02:47.11 | siriusfox | hda1 |
| 02:47.12 | jetscreamer | try -t auto |
| 02:47.15 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:47.18 | stoned_ | heh, whole box was fucked |
| 02:47.21 | jetscreamer | it's hda1, not hda |
| 02:47.25 | jetscreamer | or hda2 |
| 02:47.26 | drwahl | hda1 says the same thing |
| 02:47.27 | drwahl | ok |
| 02:47.33 | jetscreamer | or 3... |
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| 02:47.39 | teksimian | whats the proper way to debian reconfigure and setup my resolv.conf dns servers? |
| 02:47.39 | drwahl | hda2 doesnt exist |
| 02:47.40 | jetscreamer | anyway, it's not hda |
| 02:47.52 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 02:47.55 | jetscreamer | will tell you |
| 02:47.57 | stoned_ | I think i might just keep etch on this box and leave sid on my lappy |
| 02:48.00 | stoned_ | for the time being |
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| 02:48.05 | jetscreamer | might be ntfs not vfat |
| 02:48.32 | jetscreamer | of course partiton type might not be set correctly |
| 02:48.36 | siriusfox | What is the output of |
| 02:48.36 | siriusfox | ls /dev/hd* |
| 02:48.46 | drwahl | nah, its fat32, i did it just a few seconds ago |
| 02:49.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:49.07 | drwahl | drwahl@drwahllin64:~$ ls /dev/hd* |
| 02:49.07 | drwahl | /dev/hda /dev/hda1 /dev/hdc |
| 02:49.17 | jetscreamer | so as root, mount hda1 |
| 02:49.25 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 02:49.47 | teksimian | anyone? |
| 02:49.48 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 02:50.08 | drwahl | shit... sorry... :) i installed vista on the ide drive :) sda is xp, in fat32 :) |
| 02:50.29 | xsauronx | siriusfox: i think i installed gnome-system-tools to use network-admin |
| 02:50.44 | EdLin | drwahl: our condolences |
| 02:50.53 | jetscreamer | just edit /etc/resolv.conf i 'think' |
| 02:50.59 | siriusfox | I'll check that, danke |
| 02:51.03 | teksimian | jetscreamer; nah, it reverts. |
| 02:51.18 | jetscreamer | ah that one... i forget |
| 02:51.33 | stoned_ | screaming jets |
| 02:51.40 | stoned_ | la de da |
| 02:51.41 | stoned_ | :D |
| 02:51.44 | jetscreamer | oop ork eep ah ah |
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| 02:52.13 | jetscreamer | my wife's name is judy, hence the nick |
| 02:52.31 | drwahl | intersting thing though... i had to specifically download some 'utils' package to get fdisk to work |
| 02:53.25 | jetscreamer | there is an sfdisk or so i think |
| 02:53.42 | drwahl | i just thought it was kinda wierd |
| 02:53.56 | drwahl | i think the last time i installed it came with the basic install |
| 02:54.18 | jetscreamer | they cahnge stuff |
| 02:54.25 | jetscreamer | ch |
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| 02:54.42 | drwahl | thats another thing... who is "they"? i thought it was pretty much the ppl in this channel |
| 02:54.47 | jetscreamer | move some out of important or standard to optional |
| 02:54.50 | jetscreamer | no not at all |
| 02:54.54 | jetscreamer | well some of em |
| 02:55.17 | jetscreamer | !dd |
| 02:55.18 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 02:55.44 | jetscreamer | the secret council |
| 02:55.51 | stoned_ | fglrx: module license 'Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY' taints kernel. |
| 02:55.53 | jetscreamer | shadow people |
| 02:55.54 | stoned_ | hahaha |
| 02:55.57 | stoned_ | taints kernel |
| 02:55.59 | stoned_ | lol |
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| 02:56.06 | stoned_ | thats freakin hilarious |
| 02:56.19 | jetscreamer | old hat |
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| 02:56.25 | stoned_ | i just saw it lol |
| 02:56.57 | jetscreamer | gd i'm bored |
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| 02:57.03 | drwahl | under windows i use dameon tools to mount .iso files to play games without the cd, is there a similar thing in linux? i heard that you can just do it with mount |
| 02:57.04 | endra | hey |
| 02:57.13 | jetscreamer | -o loop |
| 02:57.17 | endra | I just got my debian dedicated server, and the ssh is in freaking black and white :-/ |
| 02:57.20 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 02:57.24 | endra | How do I add colors, I want it beautiful :( |
| 02:57.37 | jetscreamer | edit .bashrc |
| 02:57.42 | jetscreamer | ~/.bashrc |
| 02:57.44 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
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| 02:57.53 | stoned_ | my colors are insanely colorful |
| 02:58.03 | \amethyst | endra: alias ls='ls --color=auto -F' is maybe what you want? |
| 02:58.09 | stoned_ | umm |
| 02:58.17 | stoned_ | --color=always |
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| 02:58.31 | jetscreamer | there are a few examples commented out in .bashrc |
| 02:58.36 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 02:59.33 | _kaiser_ | could someone tell me how you can read a device, such as /dev/hda2 at a specific sector number? |
| 02:59.37 | endra | I uncommented, do I need to relogin? |
| 03:00.03 | drwahl | should i create a new folder to mount .iso? or is it appropriate to mount them on /dev/cdrom? or...? |
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| 03:00.50 | abrotman | you don't mount on /dev/cdrom |
| 03:01.08 | EdLin | !folder |
| 03:01.09 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 03:01.10 | drwahl | ok, thats good to know ;) i just about did |
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| 03:02.07 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_EXT4DEV_FS=m wtf? ext4? |
| 03:02.13 | EdLin | drwahl: you should mount only on a fold.. er, directory. /dev is device drivers, and when directories directories to other device drivers that you may not want to disappear... |
| 03:02.22 | stoned_ | mount iso to /mnt/cdrom or ~/cdrom or ~/isofilename |
| 03:02.25 | stoned_ | etc. etc. |
| 03:02.29 | EdLin | s/directories/when it has directories/ |
| 03:02.30 | pivot | EdLin quizo decir 'drwahl: you should mount only on a fold.. er, directory. /dev is device drivers, and when when it has directories when it has directories to other device drivers that you may not want to disappear...'. |
| 03:02.36 | stoned_ | /dev/cdrom is a device node for optical device |
| 03:02.42 | EdLin | !es pivot |
| 03:02.43 | drwahl | EdLin: ok, that makes sense, thank you |
| 03:02.43 | stoned_ | and stuff |
| 03:02.55 | EdLin | !tell pivot -about es |
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| 03:02.57 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:03.00 | stoned_ | hi |
| 03:03.08 | stoned_ | stoned: you suck |
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| 03:03.20 | abrotman | hello |
| 03:03.25 | stoned_ | hello |
| 03:03.36 | shogunx | hello |
| 03:03.41 | stoned_ | one more time abrotman ? |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 03:03.42 | stoned_ | ;) |
| 03:04.04 | endra | Player advancement is different depending on which team you are on. As a human, players are rewarded with credits for each alien kill. These credits may be used to purchase new weapons and upgrades from the "Armoury". The alien team advances quite differently. Upon killing a human foe, the alien is able to evolve into a new class. The more kills gained the more powerful the classes available. |
| 03:04.04 | endra | The overall objective behind Tremulous is to eliminate the opposing team. This is achieved by not only killing the opposing players but also removing their ability to respawn by destroying their spawn structures. |
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| 03:04.07 | endra | god damn it |
| 03:04.08 | endra | sorry |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:04.19 | endra | Player advancement is different depending on which team you are on. As a human, players are rewarded with credits for each alien kill. These credits may be used to purchase new weapons and upgrades from the "Armoury". The alien team advances quite differently. Upon killing a human foe, the alien is able to evolve into a new class. The more kills gained the more powerful the classes available. |
| 03:04.19 | endra | The overall objective behind Tremulous is to eliminate the opposing team. This is achieved by not only killing the opposing players but also removing their ability to respawn by destroying their spawn structures. |
| 03:04.21 | endra | WTF |
| 03:04.27 | abrotman | okay .. once was enough :) |
| 03:04.28 | endra | my copy/paste is different on different apps |
| 03:04.31 | shogunx | damn bot indeed. |
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| 03:05.01 | drwahl | i once saw a friend thwap a few commands into my box, then to find some command, he type something similar to ':~$ /c' then type a part of a recent command he used, and it brought the rest of it up for him. any one know what i am talking about? |
| 03:05.02 | endra | real real real sorry, what I want to paste is this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/tremulous-server |
| 03:05.06 | stoned_ | you talking about tremulous? |
| 03:05.09 | stoned_ | I love that game |
| 03:05.14 | endra | I play it all the time |
| 03:05.25 | stoned_ | i finally got good enough at aiming |
| 03:05.31 | stoned_ | i was fraggin people left and right |
| 03:05.37 | endra | cool :-) |
| 03:05.39 | stoned_ | i haven't played in a few months though |
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| 03:05.51 | endra | I want to run a tremulous-server, and can't manage to have aptitude install it |
| 03:05.59 | endra | Although, I have been using debian for like.. 3 minutes |
| 03:06.08 | endra | as a matter of fact, all I did was ssh into the machine lol |
| 03:06.13 | mike | Anyone running 'lenny"? |
| 03:06.16 | stoned_ | im gonna DC here and go to X and get back on my laptop |
| 03:06.20 | stoned_ | see ya from stoned |
| 03:06.24 | endra | ok, ciao |
| 03:06.39 | abrotman | mike: just ask |
| 03:06.55 | mike | abrotman: err I did |
| 03:07.17 | abrotman | you asked if anyone was running lenny. . that's not a real questions |
| 03:07.47 | mike | Has anyone installed "Lenny",,Testing? |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | are you having a problem with it ? |
| 03:07.58 | drwahl | starcraft (via wine) is looking for a cd, but i have the iso mounted at /mnt/iso, is there some where i can specify it to look there to find it? |
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| 03:08.23 | krazykit | drwahl, you may need to add it in wine's config |
| 03:08.24 | mike | abrotman:I am d/loading net install iso at the mo |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | ok .. and ? |
| 03:08.47 | drwahl | krazykit: would winecfg have that info? or is there a config file somewhere? |
| 03:08.51 | endra | lol, wine the crack? lol |
| 03:09.06 | mike | abrotman:Was interested to hear feedback on how usable it is at this early stage |
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| 03:09.43 | krazykit | drwahl, probably through winecfg, assuming you're using etch |
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| 03:09.47 | daeos | abrotman: did window manager selection change? i don't see where in gnome where to change what window manger to load, i just installed xfce and want to try to use and it would like vncserver to be able to start it. |
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| 03:10.02 | abrotman | that's a desktop .. not a wm |
| 03:10.02 | Sashi | question yalll lol |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | and GDM should do it |
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| 03:10.20 | Sashi | im going to install etch again, but then i have TWO discs labeled as etch |
| 03:10.27 | Sashi | i dont know which one to use |
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| 03:10.37 | Sashi | one is debian testing the other is debain 4.0 r0 i3 |
| 03:10.49 | mmlj4 | use the second one |
| 03:10.58 | mike | Sashi: a real train crash |
| 03:11.05 | mike | lol |
| 03:11.08 | Sashi | thats what i thought |
| 03:11.10 | daeos | abrotman: ok, then did the method of changing what desktop to use? |
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| 03:11.18 | daeos | chang* |
| 03:11.21 | daeos | change * * |
| 03:11.41 | endra | why is it that my apt-get can't find a package? Do I need to add mirrors or something? |
| 03:11.46 | abrotman | not that i know of .. just pick it in GDM AFAIK |
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| 03:13.13 | endra | okay, I have 'debian stable', and I want to get something from unstable, how can I achieve this |
| 03:13.50 | EdLin | !tell endra -about pinning |
| 03:14.00 | EdLin | endra: in general, IYNTAYS |
| 03:14.09 | stoned | back |
| 03:14.17 | endra | IYNTAYS? |
| 03:14.25 | EdLin | !IYNTAYS |
| 03:14.26 | dpkg | [iyntays] If You Need To Ask You Shouldn't |
| 03:14.42 | mike | hello stoner |
| 03:14.49 | endra | .. that doesn't make sense |
| 03:14.50 | stoned | yo |
| 03:14.58 | wols_ | !tell endra about simple sid backport |
| 03:15.17 | stoned | I love etch |
| 03:15.23 | stoned | so much more better over sarge |
| 03:15.26 | stoned | my servers love me |
| 03:15.27 | endra | okay, thanks. |
| 03:15.41 | mike | stoned: 2nd that |
| 03:15.50 | mike | sarge was a fossel |
| 03:15.58 | wols_ | stoned: I wait another, say 2 years, and see what you say then :) |
| 03:15.59 | stoned | fossil? |
| 03:16.04 | wols_ | will you sing the praises of lenny? |
| 03:16.18 | stoned | wols_: more than likely.. only time will tell |
| 03:16.21 | EdLin | Sarge was OK when it was released, compare it with Woody which took a very long time before it was replaced. |
| 03:16.27 | stoned | hopefuly only another year |
| 03:16.27 | mike | wols_: d/loading Lenny now |
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| 03:16.45 | stoned | how long did we have to wait for sarge? like 2.5 years |
| 03:16.53 | daeos | abrotman: GDM, Gnome Desktop Manager? |
| 03:16.57 | stoned | god that was a test of my patience |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:17.01 | EdLin | stoned: Woody was longer than 3. |
| 03:17.10 | abrotman | !release history |
| 03:17.10 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 03:17.38 | EdLin | well, a little under 3... |
| 03:17.38 | mike | 12mnths please |
| 03:17.43 | mike | cmon guys |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | i hope not |
| 03:18.01 | EdLin | I'd rather it be a few more months than to be as buggy as other distros. |
| 03:18.17 | stoned | mike: what do you mean c'mon. Get off your ass, or on it, and start finding bugs and help make fixes |
| 03:18.34 | mike | lol |
| 03:18.36 | stoned | 1 year is a bit too soon I think |
| 03:18.43 | mike | too busy training |
| 03:18.48 | mike | multisport |
| 03:19.00 | abrotman | then i guess you'll get it when it's done |
| 03:19.06 | EdLin | mike: if you've got time for IRC, you've got time for reportbug. |
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| 03:19.48 | mike | EdLin: True debian 4.0 is solid,, no problems |
| 03:20.21 | EdLin | yep, stable in Debian is about the only distro (well, maybe Slackware) that is truely stable when released. |
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| 03:21.00 | Toyd | !fairytale |
| 03:21.09 | Toyd | where can i find the debian fairytale? |
| 03:21.18 | Toyd | with the baby and diapers? |
| 03:21.23 | EdLin | !debian fairytale |
| 03:21.33 | Toyd | !debian fairytale |
| 03:21.35 | EdLin | bah |
| 03:21.42 | Toyd | its not working |
| 03:21.42 | EdLin | !! |
| 03:21.43 | dpkg | No sĂłc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 03:21.44 | n3kl | When I try to burn a dvd from the command line, I get :-( /dev/dvd: media is not recognized as recordable DVD: 0, anyone know why? |
| 03:22.14 | Toyd | n3kl, use a recordable DVD |
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| 03:22.29 | Toyd | ugh sorry |
| 03:22.38 | Toyd | i meant a rewriteable |
| 03:23.01 | Toyd | to see if you get the same error |
| 03:23.02 | n3kl | Toyd: it is |
| 03:23.07 | Toyd | orly |
| 03:23.23 | Toyd | k3b? |
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| 03:23.48 | n3kl | Toyd: Its a friggin brand new dvd. growisofs |
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| 03:24.01 | Toyd | Ohooh |
| 03:24.14 | Toyd | my chat time quota expired. BBL |
| 03:24.19 | endra | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room (x2), E: Error occured while processing libjtidy-java (NewVersion1), E) Problem with MergeList /var/lib/at/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dist_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages, E: The package lists of status file could not be parse d or opened |
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| 03:24.27 | Amarande | hmm, is there a 32-bit kernel for the AMD Athlon 64 3500+ in Debian, or am I going to need to build my own kernel package? |
| 03:24.32 | endra | Is this normal? |
| 03:24.34 | Amarande | It seems the regular kernel only lets me use half my RAM. |
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| 03:24.50 | abrotman | Amarande: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 03:24.53 | \amethyst | Amarande: Which kernel are you using, and how much RAM do you have? |
| 03:24.57 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/453661 << Good layout? |
| 03:25.00 | Amarande | Linux alviarin 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:25.07 | Amarande | I have 2GB of RAM |
| 03:25.09 | Toyd | jetscreamer, |
| 03:25.14 | Amarande | Default Etch x86 kernel right now |
| 03:25.18 | abrotman | Amarande: yeah .. either install a -686 kernel ... or apt-cache search amd64 and get that one |
| 03:25.24 | Toyd | jetscreamer, is a windows user |
| 03:25.33 | \amethyst | Amarande: 2.6.18-4-what ? |
| 03:25.41 | jetscreamer | Toyd: i use whatever i want, what's your point |
| 03:25.42 | Amarande | abrotman: the -686 kernels support 2GB on AMD? |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | \amethyst: it says |
| 03:25.47 | abrotman | Amarande: yes |
| 03:25.49 | stoned | are there any benefits of running an SMP kernel on a dual core chip? |
| 03:25.54 | \amethyst | Amarande: For 32-bit AMD64 you want the k7 kernel |
| 03:25.56 | Toyd | jetscreamer, i have no point |
| 03:25.59 | abrotman | stoned: instead of? |
| 03:26.06 | Toyd | just letting everyone know what i know |
| 03:26.06 | stoned | abrotman: non SMP |
| 03:26.08 | Amarande | hmm, there's no k7 kernel in etch, is there |
| 03:26.09 | \amethyst | stoned: You get to use both cores |
| 03:26.11 | Toyd | i share what i know |
| 03:26.14 | jetscreamer | stoned: the new k3b seems to hang when verifying the burn.... it's pegged at 99% in top |
| 03:26.34 | abrotman | stoned: uhm .. you get to use both cores ? |
| 03:26.34 | wols_ | stoned: without a SMP kernel you can't use both cores, you know that? |
| 03:26.34 | Toyd | i am open source |
| 03:26.35 | Toyd | principles huh |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | Toyd: are you broken ? |
| 03:26.35 | Toyd | can you fix me :0 |
| 03:26.36 | Amarande | That reminds me, I should get a 4200+ X2 before THOSE are sold out too and all I can get is a bloody flaming 3800+ X2 |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | do you have a Debian question ? |
| 03:26.41 | wols_ | !fix Toyd |
| 03:26.45 | stoned | abrotman: yes, I was also told that a regular non SMP 686 kernel would use both cores as well |
| 03:26.48 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/453661 << Good layout? :P |
| 03:26.49 | Amarande | I can't even get a 4400+, 4600+, or 4800+ s939 X2 ANYWHERE now |
| 03:26.50 | wols_ | there, now you're fixed |
| 03:26.51 | stoned | is this incorrect? |
| 03:26.57 | jetscreamer | Toyd: if you 'really' care, ask me the percentages of me running linux to windows |
| 03:26.58 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. AFAIK it is |
| 03:26.58 | Toyd | yeah i was looking for the debian fairytale abrotman |
| 03:27.00 | Amarande | any of you happen to know anywhere where those still exist for sale? even pricewatch doesn't mention them |
| 03:27.05 | abrotman | !fable |
| 03:27.05 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 03:27.08 | stoned | abrotman: jetscreamer lied to me ;) |
| 03:27.12 | stoned | j/k jet |
| 03:27.12 | Toyd | thanks |
| 03:27.14 | abrotman | duh |
| 03:27.14 | Toyd | :P |
| 03:27.16 | wols_ | stoned: incorrect. a dual core is logically 100% a SMP system |
| 03:27.16 | \amethyst | stoned: in etch the default 686 kernel is SMP I think |
| 03:27.17 | Toyd | yay |
| 03:27.18 | jetscreamer | no i didn't |
| 03:27.19 | Amarande | I don't care to go AM2, for two reasons, both related to the fact that I have to use DDR2 with AM2. |
| 03:27.27 | \amethyst | stoned: that's probably what they meant |
| 03:27.27 | jetscreamer | i told you all stock kernels are smp enabled |
| 03:27.30 | Amarande | 1) DDR2 has crappy timings, and 2) DDR3 is apparently supposed to be out soon anyway. |
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| 03:27.41 | wols_ | yes. in etch there is no special SMP kernel anymore |
| 03:27.43 | stoned | jetscreamer: just fuxin wid ya |
| 03:27.46 | jetscreamer | o |
| 03:27.48 | stoned | :D |
| 03:27.53 | Sashi | http://pastebin.ca/453661 booo lol is this a good layout lolz |
| 03:28.03 | Sashi | and another question is sid = unstable? |
| 03:28.09 | stoned | !ntfs |
| 03:28.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 03:28.10 | Amarande | sid is always unstable |
| 03:28.12 | jetscreamer | k3b is still pegged at 99.9% :( |
| 03:28.12 | Amarande | think Toy Story ;) |
| 03:28.14 | Sashi | like.. sid branch same thing as unstable? |
| 03:28.20 | wols_ | Amarande: DDR3 has even crappier timings (but just as DDR2 this doesn't matter) and b) DDR3 will be very expensive at first, just like DDR2 was |
| 03:28.28 | stoned | jetscreamer: I have not updated my sid laptop in umm.. 5+ months |
| 03:28.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:28.39 | Sashi | cuz on the ftp.. theres two folders, sid and unstable |
| 03:28.41 | Sashi | which one do i use? |
| 03:28.46 | Amarande | anyway, I'd like to find a S939 4800+ X2, if there's a way in the world to get one, or at least a 4600+. |
| 03:28.47 | wols_ | stoned: neither |
| 03:28.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: I should do it and try k3b. |
| 03:28.54 | jetscreamer | Sashi: one is a symlink btw |
| 03:28.55 | stoned | wols_: ? |
| 03:28.58 | Sashi | o? |
| 03:29.03 | Amarande | None of my usual sources have any left, and even Pricewatch doesn't know about it. |
| 03:29.06 | wols_ | stoned: should have been Sashi: of course |
| 03:29.11 | Amarande | Can I trust ebay for a CPU :| |
| 03:29.13 | stoned | oh, sorry, wasn't following |
| 03:29.22 | Sashi | k thx jet |
| 03:29.24 | wols_ | but: you not updating sid for 5 months, pretty much makes it appropriat for you too :) |
| 03:29.42 | Sashi | wols= unhelpful :D |
| 03:29.45 | Amarande | !build-kernel |
| 03:29.48 | stoned | Amarande: ebay is shit. Don't buy a used chip, there is no warranty on ebay products and also if it is bad, you'll have to ship it back which costs you money. |
| 03:29.50 | jetscreamer | bah i'm ready to kill k3b |
| 03:29.57 | Amarande | ergh, what was the proper thing to use to find how to build a kernel? |
| 03:29.59 | stoned | Amarande: I have not had any problems with newegg |
| 03:30.08 | Amarande | stoned: you mean it's actually better to suck it up and buy a new mobo and RAM and tear apart the PC again? |
| 03:30.09 | jetscreamer | hey at least it didn't argue |
| 03:30.18 | endra | hey, apt-pinning worked great, thanks for all your help |
| 03:30.22 | Amarande | even though this costs about $600+ compared to probably ~$200 if I can find the bloody 4600+ or 4800+? |
| 03:30.30 | endra | stoned: you should play tremulous again, they have some awesome mods :-) |
| 03:30.32 | stoned | Amarande: i wouldn't buy electronics off ebay, i know this much. Rest is your decision |
| 03:30.36 | wols_ | !tell Sashi iyntays |
| 03:30.42 | Sashi | stoned: i bought my stuff off ebay |
| 03:31.14 | Amarande | stoned: okay, know anywhere else besides ebay where you can get a Socket 939 4600+ or 4800+ X2 at this late date? |
| 03:31.14 | stoned | Sashi: good for you |
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| 03:31.14 | Sashi | well only one thing.. |
| 03:31.14 | wols_ | stoned: depends on what you buy |
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| 03:31.15 | Amarande | The fastest I see *anywhere* is the 4200+ now |
| 03:31.15 | Sashi | which is my x540 speakers |
| 03:31.15 | stoned | Amarande: newegg is fast and cheap and 110% reliable, ime |
| 03:31.27 | Sashi | i would go newegg but they dont ship to canada |
| 03:31.29 | Amarande | stoned: newegg, last I checked, had only up to 4200+ available, and even 4400+ was on "auto notify", the 4600+ and 4800+ were gone |
| 03:31.30 | centrx | unfortunately it's mod 100 |
| 03:31.38 | Amarande | remember, I need a socket 939, not an AM2 |
| 03:32.00 | stoned | Amarande: then I don't know. Try a local store maybe. I try to stay away from ebay myself. Then again, thats just me. |
| 03:32.12 | Sashi | they took almost ALL 939 off the market shelves |
| 03:32.15 | Sashi | stupid amd |
| 03:32.20 | Amarande | Sashi: Destroyed existing stock too? |
| 03:32.21 | Sashi | im still on 939 myself |
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| 03:32.25 | Amarande | Or did things just sell out? |
| 03:32.30 | Sashi | no not sell out |
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| 03:32.33 | Sashi | they just took it off |
| 03:32.38 | Sashi | since they want ppl to upgrade to AM2 |
| 03:32.51 | Amarande | what about what retailers actually had? |
| 03:32.53 | stoned | I never liked AMD anyway.. even with netburst, I still went with intel and got a good heatsink/fan |
| 03:33.13 | stoned | now I am with Core 2 and I'll stick to it |
| 03:33.14 | Toyd | abrotman, why is it a fable when it clearly really happend? |
| 03:33.17 | Sashi | before AM2 was out |
| 03:33.18 | daeos | abrotman: ok well after 'looking' for the GDM i can't find it in the menus.... so im under the impression that its not even there... where else can i configure x to load xfce instead of gnome |
| 03:33.20 | Sashi | 939 was everywhere |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | Toyd: don't ask me |
| 03:33.36 | Toyd | :P |
| 03:33.40 | Amarande | Sashi: the impression I get with Newegg was they didn't obey any recalls, if there was one |
| 03:33.43 | abrotman | Toyd: do you ahve a real question ? |
| 03:33.44 | stoned | !ntp |
| 03:33.45 | dpkg | ntp is, like, the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 03:33.46 | Sashi | you can always get FX Amarande |
| 03:33.46 | wols_ | Amarande: http://www.google.com/products?q=AMD+socket+939+4800&btnG=Search&hl=en&show=dd or other price search engines |
| 03:33.51 | Amarande | They kept all the way up to 4800+ in stock, and they still have the 4200+ |
| 03:33.52 | stoned | ahh ntpdate |
| 03:33.53 | stoned | doh |
| 03:34.25 | Toyd | where can i download debian abrotman i want to be part of the land? |
| 03:34.28 | endra | how do you manage start/stopped services with debian? |
| 03:34.36 | stoned | endra: /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:34.37 | daeos | Toyd: www.debian.org |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 03:34.40 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 03:34.41 | Toyd | thanks |
| 03:34.46 | Toyd | daeos, |
| 03:34.48 | endra | ah. its nearly the same as gentoo |
| 03:34.59 | stoned | endra: for example, /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 03:35.01 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 03:35.05 | endra | yup, thank you |
| 03:35.10 | Toyd | has debian feisty fawn been release yet? |
| 03:35.17 | stoned | thats ubuntu, not debian |
| 03:35.20 | Toyd | Oh |
| 03:35.24 | wols_ | Toyd: there is no debian of that name |
| 03:35.28 | abrotman | Toyd: please go back to #kubuntu and stop trolling here |
| 03:35.57 | Toyd | abrotman, i have a question |
| 03:36.11 | Toyd | i am testing linux distros for my new windows manager |
| 03:36.18 | Sashi | thaats cheap Amarande lolz |
| 03:36.21 | stoned | Toyd: he probably has an answer. You might not like it, but hes probably got one :) |
| 03:36.28 | Toyd | :) |
| 03:36.33 | Amarande | wols: Light, they cost even more than they did before! |
| 03:36.34 | Toyd | hi stoned |
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| 03:36.48 | Toyd | abrotman, i aint trolling |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | yes .. you are |
| 03:36.55 | Toyd | i am curious about debian |
| 03:36.58 | Sashi | Amarande: S939 procs are "rare" XD |
| 03:37.02 | Toyd | is that such a crime? |
| 03:37.11 | wols_ | Amarande: do you see now why staying on old platforms is often not worth it? BTW: DDR RAM is going the same way pricewise... |
| 03:37.13 | abrotman | start at debian.org ... read .. then come back and ask questions |
| 03:37.18 | stoned | Toyd: hi. Don't ask me stupid questions though. What are you wanting to know? www.debian.org can explain it to you much better than people on IRC. |
| 03:37.21 | Sashi | Amarande: I'll upgrade to AM2 later |
| 03:37.22 | wols_ | Toyd: trolling in here is |
| 03:37.27 | stoned | !tell Toyd -about why debian |
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| 03:37.47 | vinicius | wich packages do I need to install to apache run cgi scripts? |
| 03:37.50 | stoned | Toyd: you've been told. Until you read and have specific questions regarding debian, please chill. |
| 03:37.57 | wols_ | !tell vinicius about search |
| 03:38.01 | Amarande | wols, I don't think I'll need any more than 2GB for the foreseeable future RAM-wise |
| 03:38.17 | EdLin | "640K is enough" |
| 03:38.21 | Amarande | nor do I anticipate any other significant hardware upgrades on alviarin for a while other than trying to get a dual core CPU |
| 03:38.28 | Toyd | i dont want a new diaper i just want to get to know the debian community |
| 03:38.40 | wols_ | Amarande: you underestimate kde/gnomes and last but not least Windows' capability to use up RAM |
| 03:38.46 | Sashi | Amarande: DDR2 > DDR |
| 03:38.54 | wols_ | not to mentin things like virtualization. but then you have a S939 |
| 03:38.56 | stoned | Toyd: then hang out here and observe. Don't make yourself look like a tool with useless questions |
| 03:39.04 | Sashi | Amarande: Even though! DDR2 has HIGH latency it makes up for the fast speed |
| 03:39.12 | Toyd | ok thanks stoned |
| 03:39.16 | stoned | sure |
| 03:39.32 | xlotlu | is there something different about alsa in etch? asoundconf list returns nothing |
| 03:39.35 | \amethyst | Toyd: Asking about the new Ubuntu release (Feisty Fawn is Ubuntu, Etch is debian) can get you flamed in some placed |
| 03:39.39 | \amethyst | s/placed/places/ |
| 03:39.39 | pivot | \amethyst quizo decir 'Toyd: Asking about the new Ubuntu release (Feisty Fawn is Ubuntu, Etch is debian) can get you flamed in some places'. |
| 03:39.54 | stoned | uhh |
| 03:39.58 | abrotman | !ops pivot is some kind of stupid bot |
| 03:39.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: pivot is some kind of stupid bot |
| 03:40.16 | Amarande | wols, I used Windows before this, and 2GB was enough unless a program had a serious mem leak |
| 03:40.17 | peterS | pivot: uh, stop it |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | it's a bot |
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| 03:40.32 | Toyd | \amethyst, i thought that ubuntus where debian based its an honest mistake on my part |
| 03:40.32 | abrotman | it belongs to dererk | dererk[work] |
| 03:40.41 | stoned | hey abrotman bhoot |
| 03:40.42 | endra | How can I get more verbose output for init.d scripts? |
| 03:40.44 | peterS | abrotman: so uh, what is it doing here? |
| 03:40.47 | Amarande | hmm, how much does 2GB of DDR2, a decent AM2 CPU and a decent AM2 SLI motherboard cost together? |
| 03:40.53 | abrotman | peterS: that's why i called ops to ban it ? |
| 03:40.59 | stoned | abrotman: its a ghoul in Urdu |
| 03:41.05 | peterS | abrotman: *nod* |
| 03:41.07 | wols_ | endra: look in the appropriate log files for the daemon you wanted to start |
| 03:41.07 | Amarande | oh, speaking of which ... do the Linux nVidia drivers support SLI, even? |
| 03:41.10 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 03:41.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/dererk/bot/pivot] by peterS |
| 03:41.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 03:41.21 | abrotman | !kick pivot |
| 03:41.21 | stoned | Amarande: binary drivers do, yes. |
| 03:41.24 | Daveman | :o |
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| 03:41.47 | endra | wols_: where would I find such logs? |
| 03:41.47 | stoned | Amarande: afaik, oss nv driver doesn't. |
| 03:41.47 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 03:41.47 | wols_ | endra: /var/log |
| 03:41.47 | peterS | if you want to run a bot in here that does anything other than idle, ask first |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | oh .. can we do !moo to trigger the other one ? |
| 03:42.10 | wols_ | Amarande: nvidia.com ones do afaik, yes |
| 03:42.28 | wols_ | Amarande: and I'd look very closely into a c2d setup instead |
| 03:42.30 | ofer | dpkg, nickometer test |
| 03:42.31 | dpkg | 'test' is 0.000% lame, ofer |
| 03:42.36 | abrotman | or rather .. other bot/script .. no idea what it is |
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| 03:42.40 | peterS | abrotman: you mean vn? |
| 03:42.42 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:42.46 | peterS | I guess he's running a script |
| 03:42.48 | idiocrash | Hey, any Xbox 360 owners here? |
| 03:42.54 | ofer | dpkg, nickometer t35t0r |
| 03:42.56 | dpkg | 't35t0r' is 98.940% lame, ofer |
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| 03:42.58 | abrotman | ofer: stop |
| 03:43.00 | wols_ | !tell idiocrash about anyone |
| 03:43.01 | stoned | idiocrash: #xebian |
| 03:43.09 | ofer | abrotman, just checking |
| 03:43.12 | peterS | ofer: if you want to masturbate with a nickometer, please do it in /msg |
| 03:43.13 | wols_ | ofer: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 03:43.17 | stoned | idiocrash: or linux-xbox.com or something |
| 03:43.21 | ofer | okay, sorry. |
| 03:43.22 | stoned | !xebian |
| 03:43.22 | dpkg | http://www.xbox-linux.org/Xebian - ML http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists |
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| 03:43.28 | stoned | ahh thats it |
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| 03:43.39 | stoned | go there |
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| 03:43.54 | peterS | "This ... is an ex-box." |
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| 03:44.25 | stoned | I want a ps3, but its too expensive atm |
| 03:44.37 | daeos | i tell this vet his password.. and he tells me he just came back from iraq, and when i told him his email password in phenotics , by saying foxtrot, india, juliet, golf ... it took me 5 mins to say it over and over |
| 03:44.42 | wols_ | stoned: I want a pony. same problem |
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| 03:44.47 | stoned | lol |
| 03:44.52 | zu22 | hey i have 2 machines connected by ethernet (LAN), one has debian one doesn't, is there a nice way i can copy my entire debian install (testing) to the other machine? |
| 03:44.53 | stoned | man you're a trip wols |
| 03:45.05 | idiocrash | well, here's my question - I have a 360, but I don't want to mod it or install a linux on it. What I want to know is if there is a reverse-engineered version of MS Media Center Extender software that runs on linux. This way, my Xbox could see my linux PC on my network and let me play videos off of it on my TV. Know of anything like this? |
| 03:45.16 | dondelelcaro | !mirror |
| 03:45.17 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:45.18 | stoned | zu22: same hardware? |
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| 03:45.26 | dondelelcaro | ergh; wrong factoid |
| 03:45.27 | zu22 | stoned: yes same hardware |
| 03:45.28 | wols_ | zu22: yes. mount a network share and dd your /dev/hda over |
| 03:45.38 | peterS | wols_: wtf, why dd instead of cp? |
| 03:45.51 | dondelelcaro | !aptitude clone |
| 03:45.51 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 03:45.56 | dondelelcaro | zu22: see above |
| 03:46.08 | wols_ | peterS: bit copy? grub and everything when he restores? |
| 03:46.10 | Toyd | where can i find screenshots of debian i dont see any pictures on the site? |
| 03:46.10 | stoned | dons da man |
| 03:46.19 | peterS | wols_: and cp can't do a bit copy? what does it do, a fuzzy copy? |
| 03:46.23 | wols_ | okj, you could copy /dev/hda as ewll. mea culpa |
| 03:46.31 | wols_ | very fuzzy :) |
| 03:46.42 | dondelelcaro | zu22: and then just rsync over your home directories; possibly /etc if you wanted that too |
| 03:46.55 | peterS | wols_: encouraging people to use dd, with its convoluted command line syntax, is silly when 'cp /dev/hda /mnt/hda-backup' works just as well |
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| 03:47.31 | wols_ | peterS: hey, I'm a tri! have you ever seen tripping people to beahve sanely. Just look at stone if you need any examples |
| 03:47.36 | dondelelcaro | peterS: hey, dd's command line syntax isn't convoluted. It's just different! ;-) |
| 03:47.36 | wols_ | *trip |
| 03:47.43 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 03:48.05 | Toyd | abrotman, are you the current DPL? |
| 03:48.07 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: i thought maybe there was some special fu involved with cloning kernel etc.. |
| 03:48.07 | dondelelcaro | or you could cp or dd if you want an exact copy; not quite sure what your exact situtation is |
| 03:48.09 | PingFloyd | Toyd: and what does debian look like? |
| 03:48.09 | stoned | wols_: stone? |
| 03:48.12 | dondelelcaro | zu22: nah |
| 03:48.16 | PingFloyd | answer: whatever software you install |
| 03:48.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.24 | stoned | lol |
| 03:48.30 | stoned | loose the habit! |
| 03:48.33 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: doesn't need to be exact copy. main thing is i get all the same packages |
| 03:48.34 | stoned | lose* |
| 03:48.59 | dondelelcaro | zu22: ah; yeah, then the aptitude clone thing is the way to go; it (with a little bit of tweaking of the package list) will even work across architectures |
| 03:49.10 | zu22 | dondelcaro: i plan to setup a debian mirror after this to easily update one machine (not even bandwidth to share yet hehe) |
| 03:49.22 | zu22 | s/even/enough |
| 03:49.32 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 03:50.19 | Amarande | I only use dd to erase hard drives and verify CD burns, for the most part |
| 03:50.27 | Toyd | So what is the linux hierarchy in terms of difficulty: slackware, gentoo, suse linux, debian, kubuntu, ubuntu, knoppix ?? |
| 03:50.46 | peterS | Amarande: you don't just 'cp /dev/zero /dev/hda' to erase a hard drive? |
| 03:50.58 | EdLin | Toyd: that depends upon what you mean by "friendly". Debian is very easy for a Unix admin to administer |
| 03:51.12 | dondelelcaro | > is good enough |
| 03:51.16 | Amarande | peterS, usually I'm just reinstalling a new OS and use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda to nuke the MBR and partitions |
| 03:51.36 | peterS | Amarande: yeah but why dd? why not just cp /dev/zero /dev/hda? less typing, and the command syntax is much more obvious |
| 03:51.43 | EdLin | !polls |
| 03:51.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:51.44 | Toyd | ok i see EdLin |
| 03:51.45 | Amarande | I have to say dd is probably the easiest way to verify a CD burn, though, unless I can use cp for that too |
| 03:51.57 | peterS | I'd use cp for that too |
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| 03:52.11 | peterS | or actually no, I'd use md5sum. as in, 'md5sum /dev/cdrom' |
| 03:52.12 | stoned | ummm |
| 03:52.28 | mhall | Amarande: overkill. add count=1 bs=1M |
| 03:52.35 | stoned | people of Earth... why did ntpdate crash my xserver (Etch) |
| 03:52.48 | stoned | DPMS? |
| 03:53.00 | peterS | stoned: it shouldn't. sometimes it causes the screen saver to kick in, though, since several minutes can suddenly "elapse" with no activity |
| 03:53.03 | mhall | peterS: does the md5 of the cd match what you get from the iso? |
| 03:53.15 | mhall | peterS: or does the cd device contain different stuff from what the iso does |
| 03:53.17 | stoned | peterS: it crashed to console |
| 03:53.18 | peterS | mhall: unless you burn with -pad or something, it should |
| 03:53.21 | mhall | peterS: sweet |
| 03:53.28 | stoned | mhall!! |
| 03:53.32 | mhall | peterS: i figured there'd be a timestamp or some other BS that messed it up |
| 03:53.37 | stoned | whats up man I haven't seen you in months |
| 03:53.43 | mhall | stoned: what kind of crash? |
| 03:53.46 | peterS | mhall: if you use -pad, wodim might add some null sectors up to the nearest 32kB or whatever, so the md5sum will then be off |
| 03:53.54 | enouf | peterS: since your on the cp subject once again ;-) , allow me to ask; does it also do a 'image' type copy, where the actual location of boot sectors (specific sector locations) and partition layout is important? |
| 03:54.00 | stoned | mhall: lost connection to Xserver soon as I ran ntpdate |
| 03:54.03 | mhall | stoned: if you ntpdate the box, some apps freak out from the time delta, irc clients often make you go autoaway |
| 03:54.11 | mhall | stoned: didn't it come back up? |
| 03:54.15 | stoned | nope |
| 03:54.17 | peterS | enouf: cp /dev/hda /dev/hdc is the same as dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc, except cp is slightly more efficient |
| 03:54.20 | stoned | I had to startx again |
| 03:54.27 | stoned | irssi runs on laptop btw |
| 03:54.31 | mhall | stoned: see, i had it go asleep, but then it woke up afterward |
| 03:54.34 | enouf | peterS: ok, thank you |
| 03:54.43 | Amarande | google, you suck. :| |
| 03:54.50 | Amarande | it's displaying AM2 processors under a search for 939 :P |
| 03:54.50 | mhall | stoned: i didn't mean permanently broken on IRC, just makes you /away |
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| 03:55.06 | mhall | Amarande: the AM2 have 940 pins |
| 03:55.11 | peterS | stoned: if ntpdate set the time _backwards_, I can see how that might confuse the X server. the X server is pretty heavily dependent on the 'gettimeofday' system call, it does a lot with timestamps, perhaps it makes some assumptions that time doesn't go backwards |
| 03:55.17 | stoned | mhall: I'm aware of the time issue, however, it was an authentic crash. "Lost connection to X server" in console. |
| 03:55.28 | mhall | Amarande: so it's partly AMD's problem, since opteron 1 series also have 940 |
| 03:55.36 | daeos | since abrotman left, i am still at a loss on how to change from gnome to xfce when starting x |
| 03:55.37 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:55.39 | mhall | Amarande: sorry, opteron 2 series |
| 03:55.58 | stoned | daeos: update-alternatives --configure x-session-manager |
| 03:55.59 | stoned | I think |
| 03:56.06 | stoned | its been a while I can't fully remember |
| 03:56.07 | EdLin | stoned: this is why you should run an IRC client in a screen session. Wouldn't want to be low on the kingsley chart. |
| 03:56.27 | stoned | EdLin: irssi runs in screen on my laptop, to which I ssh into from my main desktop |
| 03:56.27 | EdLin | daeos: x-window-manager |
| 03:56.36 | mlowe | kingsley chart ? |
| 03:56.37 | freetos | does anybody know how to convert ogg to mp3 on debian? |
| 03:56.45 | stoned | EdLin: it would be x-session-manager |
| 03:56.45 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite mlowe |
| 03:56.46 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer mlowe: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.260951009850157! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 03:56.53 | stoned | I'm sure of this |
| 03:57.00 | peterS | freetos: you don't, because mp3 encoding is patent-encumbered and Debian cannot buy patent licenses for all of our users |
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| 03:57.19 | peterS | freetos: you have to get an mp3 encoder from someone who is willing to buy you a patent license. (or buy it yourself. or get it from someone who hopes they won't get sued.) |
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| 03:57.27 | zu22 | freetos: i prefer ogg to mp3 anyways |
| 03:57.38 | stoned | peterS: that might explain it, then again my knowledge of the technical workings of Xserver is not much |
| 03:57.39 | zu22 | freetos: if you want more fidelity encode in flac or something |
| 03:57.50 | freetos | peterS, can't you download something from a non-free repo? |
| 03:57.51 | jetscreamer | hey stoned so what kind of hoops did you have to jump through to get fglrx going |
| 03:58.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 |
| 03:58.16 | peterS | freetos: not the Debian non-free repo, that would still make us liable for patent licenses. which we will _not_ buy for every user who chooses to download Debian - sorry |
| 03:58.32 | zu22 | stoned: are you the one who wanted to run beryl? let me know how you like it if so |
| 03:58.49 | stoned | zu22: no |
| 03:58.49 | zu22 | k |
| 03:58.49 | peterS | freetos: I guess you can download LAME from debian-multimedia.org or somewhere like that. they are willing to risk the patent lawsuit, I understand |
| 03:58.55 | jetscreamer | stoned: i believe i know the fix for that xorg stuff btw |
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| 03:59.13 | Amarande | freetos: or look at the mp3 spec and code one yourself, I suppose :) |
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| 03:59.18 | Toyd | jetscreamer, :) |
| 03:59.22 | stoned | zu22: I have an ATI card, so no AIGLX for me, I tried Beryl over Xgl, and it was nice, but its decreases my productivity |
| 03:59.37 | freetos | i prefer ogg, but a friend want's me to make mp3's for him |
| 03:59.38 | stoned | jetscreamer: lets have it.. though I did fix it by using xorg 7.1 |
| 03:59.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: do share |
| 03:59.51 | daeos | EdLin: im remoting to my box and can't open a display on the machine.. since im using ssh, i just need to change what desktop environment that x loads instead of gnome... |
| 04:00.01 | pppoe_dude | hi... how can i start an xterm in an Xnest session? i've tried "Xnest :1 & xterm -display :1" to no avail |
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| 04:00.20 | stoned | single & :) |
| 04:00.32 | stoned | won't do afaik at least on one line |
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| 04:00.35 | Toyd | i thought jetscreamer everything he knows |
| 04:00.35 | peterS | pppoe_dude: I'm guessing xterm -display :1 is starting before Xnest has finished initialising, so it gets a 'connection refused'. add a 'sleep 0.25' in there or so |
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| 04:00.42 | Toyd | taught* |
| 04:00.47 | pppoe_dude | peterS, nah i also tried them separately |
| 04:00.52 | maxamillion | i installed the thunar-archive-plugin package and now when i right click one files/archives the option to archive/extract is there as its supposed to but then it tells me it can't find a suitable archive manager ... even though i have xarchiver installed |
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| 04:00.59 | peterS | pppoe_dude: and? what does xterm do? |
| 04:01.00 | jetscreamer | stoned you would need to translate the directives to whatever it is the fglrx installer uses, or where m-a put the modules, or whatever it is you do, but... |
| 04:01.02 | jetscreamer | --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` |
| 04:01.03 | Toyd | yo yetifoot |
| 04:01.06 | pppoe_dude | iget : xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :1 |
| 04:01.14 | jetscreamer | yes Toyd is my mentor |
| 04:01.15 | pppoe_dude | and a couple of other lines |
| 04:01.34 | peterS | pppoe_dude: does xnest create a :1 socket? you can look in /tmp/.X11-unix to see |
| 04:01.39 | enouf | peterS: concerning verifying DVD burns and md5sums, i believe "growisofs" calls dd and uses 32kB blocks (default), so perhaps that also is the reason an md5 from a d/l DVD iso (such as -binary1.iso) when compared to a burned one, doesn't match, though Debian's instal CDs contain a "Check CD / Verify Integrity" option at boot time, from the menu. |
| 04:01.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: you're talking about making fglrx work with xorg > 7.1 ? |
| 04:02.01 | jetscreamer | stoned: with the version in sid currently |
| 04:02.15 | stoned | jetscreamer: my sid laptop has an nvidia chip |
| 04:02.18 | jetscreamer | the module path changed |
| 04:02.21 | yetifoot | hello Toyd |
| 04:02.21 | pppoe_dude | peterS, looks like it, i have 3 files in there |
| 04:02.26 | peterS | enouf: if it always writes a multiple of 32 kB, then yeah, the image file won't checksum unless it is already a multiple of 32 kB. this is just like wodim -pad |
| 04:02.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: I see |
| 04:02.37 | jetscreamer | stoned: for nvidia, http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 04:02.41 | jetscreamer | for the installer |
| 04:02.45 | stoned | jetscreamer: word |
| 04:02.56 | daeos | stoned: your command you gave me didn't work |
| 04:03.09 | jetscreamer | give it back ! |
| 04:03.10 | daeos | stoned: i got a syntax error |
| 04:03.11 | jetscreamer | get a refund! |
| 04:03.17 | pppoe_dude | peterS, although i haven't explicity done anything other than Xnest :1 and i could be wrong |
| 04:03.18 | grendal_prime | this look bad to anyone... update existing_books set publish_date = to_date(pubdate,'Month d,YYYY') |
| 04:03.20 | stoned | daeos: well it is update-alternatives and you need to modify the x-session-manager entry |
| 04:03.23 | daeos | jetscreamer: 'told me' |
| 04:03.33 | daeos | stoned: ok |
| 04:03.39 | peterS | enouf: but you could still use 'cmp /tmp/foo.iso /dev/cdrom' to verify. if the burn was exact, you'll get "end of file on /tmp/foo.iso" which means the files matched except one is longer |
| 04:04.05 | jetscreamer | daeos: i find it easier just to do update-alternatives --all and just hit enter till i find the one i want to amend |
| 04:04.18 | jetscreamer | i can never remember the names for the individual ones |
| 04:04.28 | stoned | daeos: sorry, same command but not --configure but --config |
| 04:04.33 | stoned | i just looked at update-alternatives manpage |
| 04:04.41 | stoned | I wasn't remembering correctly, like I said |
| 04:04.56 | jetscreamer | unless you're trying to manually add an alternative |
| 04:04.57 | EdLin | jetscreamer: ls /etc/alternatives |
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| 04:05.24 | stoned | daeos: update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 04:05.50 | enouf | peterS: hrm .. cmp? .. cool, learn a new tool everyday ;-) |
| 04:05.51 | stoned | daeos: it should list both xfce and gnome, select the one you want as default |
| 04:05.54 | daeos | stoned: thanks that did it |
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| 04:06.09 | stoned | daeos: learn also to not take commands from people blindly.. read manpages as well |
| 04:06.19 | stoned | conciously think about what the command does before you try it |
| 04:06.30 | stoned | if you don't know, read, then ask |
| 04:06.32 | peterS | enouf: I don't see how you can do file compares without it. except by md5sum-like means. and I guess 'diff' more or less emulates 'cmp' if it doesn't think the files are text |
| 04:06.33 | jetscreamer | EdLim: heh he was right tabcomplete... EdLin ... good point |
| 04:06.34 | stoned | just a thought |
| 04:06.52 | stoned | daeos: btw, you're welcome :) |
| 04:07.43 | jetscreamer | isn't there a way to merge two channels on two different networks, serverside? |
| 04:07.58 | jetscreamer | like #debian freenode and #debian oftc |
| 04:08.07 | litage | when an application that's listening on all ip addresses (0.0.0.0) responds to a packet that it's received, does the routing table affect the responding-packet's ip address is? |
| 04:08.08 | stoned | jetscreamer: split windows in irssi maybe? |
| 04:08.22 | jetscreamer | stoned: no i mean so it's transparent to all users |
| 04:08.30 | jetscreamer | as in they can't tell it's really 2 |
| 04:08.31 | stoned | ohh, no clue |
| 04:08.33 | jetscreamer | one big |
| 04:08.43 | Amarande | hmm, where's the Debian kernel build howto? |
| 04:08.57 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 04:08.57 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 04:09.40 | pppoe_dude | i think this might be a bug, coz i found all the instructions in the man page, and they aren't working |
| 04:09.51 | enouf | peterS: yeah, i've only so far used md5sum and diff when comparing, who'd have thought a tool named 'cmp' existed ;-) .. maybe they're all hardlinked to each other like that gunzip/uncompress/bunzip(?)/+ more example you showed me a while back |
| 04:09.54 | pppoe_dude | they say to do exactly what i did too |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | pppoe_dude: what's not working? |
| 04:10.31 | peterS | enouf: hehe. not hardlinked, but cmp and diff both come from the same source (gnu diffutils).... |
| 04:10.37 | stoned | im hungry |
| 04:10.37 | stoned | brb |
| 04:10.44 | peterS | stoned got the munchies |
| 04:10.57 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:11.04 | pppoe_dude | stoned, xnest |
| 04:11.17 | pppoe_dude | 'Xnest :1 & xterm -display :1' |
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| 04:12.20 | daeos | stoned: thanks for the advice too |
| 04:12.22 | endra | How do I make a command run in the background, so when I disconnect from SSH it still runs? |
| 04:12.58 | daeos | stoned: i noticed that xfce .... it is more demanding than gnome :( |
| 04:13.02 | enouf | peterS: what's the way to show that hardlinking explicitly once again? was it the ls -H option?, i still get a bit lost, when trying to be able to tell if, and what files point to the same inode/binary. It is the same inode (yes?), just another/various entries in it , yes? |
| 04:13.16 | peterS | enouf: redirect the 3 file descriptors to /dev/null or so, then run with &, and if you're doing this from a terminal that has job control, type 'disown' afterwards |
| 04:13.21 | peterS | endra: ^^^^^ |
| 04:13.29 | stoned | peterS: nah i was working on my box and neglected to eat dinner a few hours ago |
| 04:13.42 | enouf | peterS: wow .. thanks, i'll test soon .. more coffee ;-) |
| 04:13.43 | peterS | enouf: ls -l shows hard links in the second column |
| 04:13.58 | stoned | peterS: I haven't been high in 2 months. Gonna try to stay sober for a while :) |
| 04:14.39 | peterS | /nick towlie |
| 04:14.45 | stoned | lol |
| 04:14.45 | enouf | peterS: oh yeah .. right .. that's it ls -l, but it on;y show the number of hardlinks, not what files those hardlinks are (which is what i was looking for) |
| 04:14.54 | enouf | s/show/shows |
| 04:15.08 | stoned | I love towelie |
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| 04:15.33 | stoned | "im so high, I dunno whas goin' on" |
| 04:15.39 | peterS | enouf: the filesystem does not store that information - it doesn't cross-reference where the hard links for a file are. you have to find them yourself. ls -i shows inode numbers, you could do 'ls -i | sort' and look for dupes |
| 04:15.56 | peterS | enouf: (hard links to a single file will all share an inode) |
| 04:16.20 | stoned | mm black beans and rice |
| 04:16.21 | stoned | cajun style |
| 04:16.40 | peterS | never mind cajun style, black beans and rice are good no matter what you fry it with |
| 04:16.47 | enouf | peterS: heh .. i thought that /dev/null discript was a bit off .. especially the command & part ;-) .. as i said, more coffee needed (deperately) ;-P |
| 04:16.53 | stoned | indeed |
| 04:16.55 | peterS | enouf: hehe |
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| 04:17.18 | enouf | peterS: ok .. got your last info .. thanks again |
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| 04:18.29 | peterS | enouf: SELECT name FROM `ls -i` WHERE inode = (SELECT inode FROM `ls -i $sourcefile`) ORDER BY name |
| 04:18.49 | visitor | I have had Debian 3.1 installed for a while now but I'm still having trouble with basic stuff. What is a good source of info on connecting peripherals so I don't have to keep coming back here? |
| 04:19.10 | stoned | peterS: ahh i figured out why my time was wrong last night |
| 04:19.21 | peterS | your time was wrong last night? |
| 04:19.23 | stoned | peterS: irssi is on my laptop, and laptop still thinks he is in oklahoma |
| 04:19.33 | visitor | Or would you suggest going to 4.0? |
| 04:19.34 | stoned | desktop is in eastern time, which is correct |
| 04:19.44 | jetscreamer | no duh |
| 04:19.46 | peterS | stoned: ahhh yeah - the 3:10 vs. 4:10 thing, now I remember |
| 04:19.50 | jetscreamer | 'you' figured out eh |
| 04:19.57 | stoned | peterS: btw, I tried .20 kernel, totally fucked my box up |
| 04:19.59 | jetscreamer | yeah he figured it out .. |
| 04:20.04 | stoned | peterS: now im in etch on .18-4 |
| 04:20.10 | jetscreamer | after enough ppl y;elled at him |
| 04:20.12 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:20.18 | peterS | visitor: yeah 4.0 is generally better. if you haven't customised your maching much yet it's probably easier to install 4.0 from scratch than to mess with the upgrade path |
| 04:20.22 | stoned | hejhe |
| 04:20.23 | yetifoot | visitor: i had better support for my hardware in 4.0 |
| 04:20.58 | jetscreamer | i would have the bot congratulate you but it seems kinda spammy |
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| 04:21.34 | enouf | !dbse |
| 04:21.35 | dpkg | it has been said that dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 04:21.40 | enouf | visitor: ^^^^ |
| 04:21.42 | peterS | stoned: what happened to your box on .20? mine is fine after I got it to boot at all - which involved editing the initrd a few times until I got it right - and I had to add a couple lines to fstab to activate swap from sda2 and sdb2, not just hda2 and hdc2. |
| 04:21.52 | jetscreamer | stoned: you can compile .20 and it will work... you get to choose new or old atalib, iirc |
| 04:22.05 | stoned | peterS: hardware issues.. net won't work, cdrom won't work.. etc. etc. |
| 04:22.11 | drwahl | i see a lot of articles talk about "emerge". is that a gentoo thing? |
| 04:22.15 | peterS | drwahl: yes |
| 04:22.16 | visitor | peterS and yetifoot: thanks |
| 04:22.19 | stoned | jmicron pata and marvel yukon net |
| 04:22.27 | jetscreamer | i was getting up the courage to try the editing files for .20 |
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| 04:22.44 | peterS | stoned: hmmm marvel yukon, is that the gige chipset that has two different drivers (sky2 being the more recent one)? |
| 04:22.55 | jetscreamer | ~apt-get source |
| 04:23.09 | apt | apt-get source is probably like ports, only cooler ;) ;) |
| 04:23.10 | enouf | stoned: you mean the jmicron pata PITA, which is fixed in 2.6.18-4, si broken again in .20? |
| 04:23.10 | stoned | jetscreamer: .20 sky2 module never worked for my marvel yukon chip, or the jmb363 pata driver for my jmicron pata chip |
| 04:23.16 | stoned | peterS: yessir |
| 04:23.34 | Amarande | why did they merge the testing kernel into the same numbers as the stable, anyway? |
| 04:23.40 | Amarande | Back in the Day(tm), this wouldn't have happened |
| 04:23.43 | peterS | stoned: the other being ... sk98lin? my memory is getting fuzzy (I never actually had any of that hardware) |
| 04:24.04 | enouf | stoned: or you didn't do you libata stuff correctly .. BTW- the sid .20 debian one? |
| 04:24.05 | stoned | peterS: im not sure |
| 04:24.06 | jetscreamer | Amarande: no, it hasn't had time to diverge yet |
| 04:24.11 | Amarande | I'm assuming that "get 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.20 source" is the rule of the day? |
| 04:24.11 | stoned | enouf: yes |
| 04:24.44 | drwahl | has anyone here gotten starcraft to work under linux? |
| 04:24.47 | peterS | Amarande: eh? it's just that testing hasn't got a new kernel yet since stable was released. it probably won't for awhile, either, there are some issues left to iron out in 2.6.20 before it's release-quality |
| 04:24.49 | stoned | these blackbeans and rice man.. orgasmic good |
| 04:24.50 | stoned | damn |
| 04:24.58 | jetscreamer | enouf: the stock .20 image borks on my box, the selfcompiled doesn't |
| 04:25.05 | Amarande | peterS: I mean if I'm going to be doing the old k-p thing |
| 04:25.13 | Amarande | should I get .18, .19, or .20 source? |
| 04:25.23 | jetscreamer | .20 compiles just fine |
| 04:25.29 | jetscreamer | at least for me |
| 04:25.31 | stoned | get the latest one from kernel.org and built it |
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| 04:25.33 | stoned | build* |
| 04:25.37 | jetscreamer | just the stock image is borked |
| 04:25.47 | jetscreamer | (for me) |
| 04:25.56 | peterS | Amarande: if you're going to build your own kernel, it's a very personal decision, I can't tell you what to base your source on. the prebuilt kernels are supposed to work fine for pretty much everybody - that 2.6.20 doesn't is a sign of its ongoing development in debian |
| 04:26.23 | Amarande | peterS: for this system, I need a k7 kernel, which is not included in etch's packages to my knowledge |
| 04:26.36 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 04:26.45 | Amarande | hmm, I didn't see it in apt |
| 04:26.58 | peterS | Amarande: what?!? sure it is, I have linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 installed |
| 04:27.08 | Amarande | ahh, there it is |
| 04:27.14 | jetscreamer | it's linux-image not kernel-image now |
| 04:27.14 | Amarande | probably because I used aptitude instead of apt directly |
| 04:27.23 | peterS | I also have linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 installed |
| 04:27.25 | peterS | (from sid) |
| 04:27.35 | aalex | anyone has a GUI app to suggest to convert video files ? |
| 04:27.38 | jetscreamer | i do too but it still doesn't work :) |
| 04:27.42 | jetscreamer | avidemux |
| 04:27.51 | jetscreamer | from marillat's sources |
| 04:27.55 | stoned | i always keep a working 386 kernel around (intel cpu) |
| 04:27.55 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 04:27.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 04:28.13 | stoned | mencoder for transcoding! |
| 04:28.16 | enouf | jetscreamer: ok, i see .. i guess it still needs some fine tuning ;-) .. btw you using AMD64, or i386 ?, I recall reading about some oddities on obscure archs, as usual, but forget the details |
| 04:28.19 | stoned | ya heretic |
| 04:28.21 | jetscreamer | him say gui |
| 04:28.28 | jetscreamer | i use mencoder myself |
| 04:28.40 | jetscreamer | but avidemux is good for cutting the files |
| 04:28.42 | stoned | there are gui FEs for mencoder |
| 04:28.43 | jetscreamer | also |
| 04:28.45 | stoned | true |
| 04:28.53 | jetscreamer | yeh but i don't like them much so far |
| 04:28.54 | freetos | well, i have lame for mp3 encoding, but it requires pcm as input, anyone know how to convert ogg to pcm? |
| 04:29.04 | peterS | freetos: oggdec will do it |
| 04:29.11 | dclarke | hello .. I am trying to netboot debian install via GRUB |
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| 04:29.22 | peterS | freetos: pcm audio is typically shipped in a *.wav file, so presumably that's what lame wants |
| 04:29.23 | freetos | peterS, thatnkx |
| 04:29.29 | dclarke | grub will PXE boot correctly but the debian netboot will not come over |
| 04:29.40 | stoned | dclarke: chapters 4 and 5 in the debian install manaul have specific instructions on how to do this |
| 04:29.43 | stoned | !ig |
| 04:29.43 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:29.45 | dclarke | am I missing some critical step here somehow ? |
| 04:29.54 | drwahl | ok, i found a walkthrough to help me get starcraft working with wine (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_StarCraft_with_wine) but whenever i try to run starcraft.exe, it keeps saying it cannot find the cd |
| 04:29.57 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if Fraunhofer would go after someone if they created their own MP3 encoder from scratch, and didn't distribute it. :) |
| 04:31.21 | peterS | Amarande: if you don't distribute it, they will probably never know, so how could they go after you? |
| 04:31.22 | jetscreamer | man the new xorg changed my fonts, and then the new nv.run beta changed them even further... :) |
| 04:31.39 | jetscreamer | i don't like unexpected change though |
| 04:31.43 | stoned | jetscreamer: my back hurts |
| 04:32.04 | stoned | owie |
| 04:32.06 | stoned | :( |
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| 04:32.32 | Amarande | hmm, if you install linux-source, do you still need linux-headers too, or does it conflict and take care of it? |
| 04:33.07 | enouf | dclarke: not sure, may try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. perhaps your only using the hd-image? and need other stuff too? .. just guessing though |
| 04:33.18 | enouf | s/your/you're |
| 04:33.42 | dclarke | well .. I'm a little lost trying to figure out where to find the files that need to be passed over by tftpboot |
| 04:33.54 | enouf | dclarke: there's also the mailing lists on lists.debian.org |
| 04:34.03 | dclarke | http://ftp3.nrc.ca/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 04:34.05 | peterS | Amarande: you don't need the headers package along with linux-source-2.6.*. the linux-headers-2.6.*-*-* packages are for specific builds - you're going to build your own kernel so you'll _produce_ a -headers package of your very own |
| 04:34.18 | dclarke | mailling list .. a good way to get bombarded |
| 04:34.31 | dclarke | oh |
| 04:34.34 | dclarke | duh |
| 04:34.40 | stoned | dclarke: have you consulted the installation guide? |
| 04:34.53 | dclarke | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 04:34.57 | dclarke | yes .. continually |
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| 04:36.05 | enouf | peterS: as a matter of fact, i think installing the -headers pkg too (after actually building), would break a great many things when trying to build against the newly compiled kernel ;-) .. some broken symlinks and such |
| 04:36.09 | dclarke | actually .. I may be close to the solution |
| 04:36.21 | dclarke | I think I just need to fetch pxelinux.0 |
| 04:36.57 | peterS | enouf: yeah it's kind of a confusing maze, the various kernel-related packages that you need in order to (a) run a kernel, (b) build modules for a kernel, (c) rebuild a kernel.... |
| 04:36.57 | enouf | bombarded? .. you mean spammerized? |
| 04:37.11 | enouf | peterS: right ;-) |
| 04:37.18 | dclarke | no .. bombarded in text messages |
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| 04:37.28 | peterS | enouf: oh yeah and (d) rebuild a kernel with patches (in debian packages) applied.. |
| 04:37.37 | enouf | text messages? what's that? .. oh nevermind |
| 04:37.45 | enouf | peterS: hehe |
| 04:38.40 | peterS | wow... it worked! I was tired of hearing crap r&b through my apartment wall, so in desperation I played the "Gloria" from Bach's Magnificat, and by the time it finished, I can no longer hear the crap r&b. fortuitous timing? proof of the power of J.S. Bach? you decide! |
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| 04:39.14 | enouf | peterS: must be the piece as a "movement" ;-p |
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| 04:39.58 | enouf | lovely nick there ^^^ |
| 04:40.14 | enouf | another one .. |
| 04:40.48 | peterS | {V}{e}[K]{i}{L}, [e]zg[i]: please verify that you aren't a nuisance bot or anything |
| 04:40.51 | stoned | peterS: nice.. I accomplished this with Paganini's Caprice # 24 and BWV 1046, by Viktoria Mullova, string quartet in Amin |
| 04:40.54 | enouf | peterS: i read your mind ;-) |
| 04:41.03 | stoned | peterS: my upstairs neighbour were techno freaks |
| 04:41.10 | peterS | stoned: amazing, eh? |
| 04:41.11 | stoned | peterS: but my sound system was much louder than theirs |
| 04:41.27 | stoned | peterS: this is true universal music.. stops people in their tracks |
| 04:41.58 | peterS | stoned: in my case it's not like my neighbors can hear my real music over their crap music. it's just that apparently my real music intimidates the sound waves from the crap music into staying on their own side of the wall |
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| 04:42.38 | stoned | peterS: same here.. I had to sometimes take my broom and band on my ceiling for them to realize it was too loud |
| 04:42.47 | stoned | bang* |
| 04:42.54 | peterS | stoned: hmmm, bwv1046 - brandenburg concerto no. 1? good stuff. (google knows everything - I certainly wouldn't have known what piece it was, though obviously it's bach) |
| 04:43.11 | stoned | o yeah |
| 04:43.14 | stoned | beautiful piece |
| 04:43.29 | peterS | I prefer no. 5 and no. 3, but they are all good |
| 04:43.29 | stoned | Viktoria Mullova is a goddess on that violin.. and beautiful lady too |
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| 04:43.57 | Amarande | yay, k7 kernel works |
| 04:44.20 | stoned | congrats |
| 04:44.34 | peterS | stoned: I'm convinced that the brandenburg concertos were like the disco of the time. I mean, that driving beat.... |
| 04:44.51 | stoned | hehe disco lol |
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| 04:45.23 | Amarande | hmm, what's the X-based frontend to apt called, again? |
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| 04:45.30 | peterS | Amarande: synaptic |
| 04:45.36 | stoned | kpackage, synaptic, kynaptic |
| 04:45.38 | stoned | pick one |
| 04:46.13 | dclarke | okay .. making good progress with PXE boot .. was able to fetch and execute the pxelinux.0 file |
| 04:46.34 | stoned | dclarke: just read and re read section 4.6 and you'll get it |
| 04:46.42 | dclarke | I got it |
| 04:46.45 | stoned | word |
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| 04:46.58 | dclarke | now it complains about a tsize option for the tftpserver |
| 04:47.15 | stoned | my back still hurts |
| 04:47.17 | stoned | owie |
| 04:47.36 | Slipp3d | ~ello all ... quick dumb question about the iso's on the server to download? why is there 3 different dvd iso's? |
| 04:47.39 | apt | Slipp3d: that's too long |
| 04:47.39 | peterS | dclarke: tftp is almost a black art, not all servers work with all clients. debian ships 3 tftp servers, you might try swapping them out until one works.. :/ |
| 04:47.56 | dclarke | my tftpserver is a Solaris 8 box |
| 04:48.02 | peterS | Slipp3d: because debian is too big to fit on one. you don't need them all though, all the popular software is on the first one |
| 04:48.15 | stoned | !popcon |
| 04:48.15 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:48.19 | dclarke | I may try to sacrifice a cat |
| 04:48.25 | peterS | stoned: you're as bad as tarzeau |
| 04:48.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:48.57 | peterS | Slipp3d: and let us not forget the combined i386 + amd64 + powerpc DVD, which packs a lot of useful software for all 3 of the popular peecee types, plus source code, onto a single DVD |
| 04:49.20 | Slipp3d | peterS, so if i pull down the dvd1 then i'm good because everything else is up on internet sources? |
| 04:49.22 | dclarke | there is no PowerPC pc |
| 04:49.35 | stoned | huh? |
| 04:49.53 | peterS | Slipp3d: I don't even recommend DVD 1 for most people - if you have any internet at all on the target PC you're better off just using a 'netinst' iso image, which is like 200 MB or less, and pulling _everything_ else off the net as needed |
| 04:49.57 | dclarke | he said .. all three popular types ? |
| 04:50.14 | dclarke | there is no PowerPC peecee type |
| 04:50.15 | peterS | dclarke: you don't think the last 2 letters in "powerpc" are meaningful, then? |
| 04:50.18 | stoned | pc != ibm clone. pc == personal computer, could be mac, could be ibm compatible.. whatever |
| 04:50.34 | dclarke | Apple now uses intel |
| 04:50.40 | stoned | im aware of that |
| 04:50.47 | concept10 | PC is legacy IBM heritage |
| 04:50.47 | peterS | dclarke: and all the pre-mactel machines dried up and blew away in 2006? |
| 04:50.48 | stoned | but it doesn't change the definition of personal computer |
| 04:50.50 | dclarke | IBM does not sell PowerPC based anything to end user markets .. it Power on big stuff |
| 04:50.53 | stoned | personal. computer. |
| 04:51.05 | dclarke | PowerPC has nothing to do with Personal |
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| 04:51.09 | stoned | nevermind... <sigh> |
| 04:51.18 | dclarke | no problem |
| 04:51.21 | dclarke | I got it |
| 04:51.23 | Slipp3d | peterS, ok thanks |
| 04:51.26 | dclarke | I just don't agree |
| 04:51.33 | concept10 | ARM is the third most popular anyway |
| 04:51.38 | stoned | you don't have to so long asyou understand. |
| 04:51.56 | peterS | concept10: yeah but very few people have arm machines as a "pc", it's usually as a router or a server or something embedded |
| 04:52.14 | peterS | dclarke: what generation of rs6000? they aren't all ppc you know (: |
| 04:52.23 | dclarke | these are |
| 04:52.24 | concept10 | petemc, arm is not the same as IBM PC |
| 04:52.26 | dclarke | old |
| 04:52.30 | dclarke | freaking old junk |
| 04:52.38 | stoned | peterS: my first ppc was lc475 back in 8th grade |
| 04:52.43 | stoned | 1994 |
| 04:52.44 | peterS | concept10: I know. there are arm personal computers, but most arms being used today aren't personal computers |
| 04:52.57 | stoned | i loved that machine |
| 04:52.57 | peterS | stoned: 1994? that would be like a 601? |
| 04:52.59 | concept10 | peterS, just messing with you on that one |
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| 04:53.22 | peterS | concept10: arms that I would consider peecees would be the acorns and the netwinder |
| 04:53.31 | stoned | peterS: wait, 95 i think cuz i was a jr. in highschool in 97 |
| 04:53.37 | stoned | whatever it makes 8th grade, that year |
| 04:53.40 | stoned | can't do math |
| 04:53.40 | concept10 | petemc, I agree |
| 04:53.46 | concept10 | argh! |
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| 04:53.50 | L|NUX | hello |
| 04:53.52 | peterS | concept10: he's used to it |
| 04:54.00 | stoned | concept10: whats up man |
| 04:54.00 | concept10 | heh |
| 04:54.04 | L|NUX | can some one tell me how can i get list of packages installed in my list |
| 04:54.32 | cafuego | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 04:54.42 | L|NUX | humm |
| 04:54.48 | krazykit | i just learned that you shouldn't rmmod -f ipv6 if it says it's in use. |
| 04:54.51 | L|NUX | can i find specific package like |
| 04:54.53 | L|NUX | apache |
| 04:54.53 | L|NUX | php |
| 04:55.04 | concept10 | stoned, nothing much, about to watch a video from debconf and lie down while I try to figure out what sort of lie to tell this girl because I watched the basketball game instead of going to the movies |
| 04:55.16 | enouf | !selections |
| 04:55.16 | peterS | L|NUX: 'apt-cache search' is your friend, for finding package names. 'dpkg -l *apache*' is good for seeing installation status |
| 04:55.16 | dpkg | well, ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
| 04:55.34 | stoned | concept10: WHAT! yo uchose basketball over boobs? |
| 04:55.42 | L|NUX | thanks |
| 04:55.45 | stoned | what is wrong with you! |
| 04:55.56 | concept10 | stoned, she gets on my nerves. |
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| 04:56.18 | stoned | still man, you can put up with that for a while to make your little man hapy |
| 04:56.20 | stoned | hell i would |
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| 04:56.47 | enouf | cafuego: do you happen to know if COLUMNS=200 breaks any sort of list when used as a --set-selections as per reinstalling? or just feeding the list to dpkg using < |
| 04:56.48 | concept10 | heh |
| 04:56.58 | concept10 | stoned, sometimes its not worth it |
| 04:56.59 | peterS | stoned: you're assuming concept's situation indicates that he is likely to be able to make his little man happy with this girl. may or may not be true. |
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| 04:57.15 | stoned | peterS: yeh word |
| 04:57.16 | g_robot | could someone help me with a IVMAN problem before i hang myself? |
| 04:57.26 | cafuego | enouf: You don't use COLUMNS on the --get-selections or --set-selecions |
| 04:57.31 | holycow | hey, how do i check what info dhcp is dishing out? ip of course is fine, but i'm curious wher eits pointing dns and gateway to? |
| 04:57.31 | concept10 | haha |
| 04:57.36 | L|NUX | but |
| 04:57.42 | L|NUX | when i do this |
| 04:57.44 | L|NUX | dpkg -l *apache* |
| 04:57.45 | dpkg | ii *apache* 2.7-3.1 l|nux's private stamp collection |
| 04:57.50 | peterS | holycow: there is dhcping |
| 04:57.51 | L|NUX | it will show me alot of packages |
| 04:57.57 | cafuego | holycow: syslog should tell you |
| 04:57.58 | holycow | ah! |
| 04:58.01 | enouf | cafuego: ok, thought so .. mainly used for useful stdout reading ;-) |
| 04:58.02 | holycow | k |
| 04:58.15 | L|NUX | then how can i know which are install and which are not ? |
| 04:58.15 | peterS | holycow: I'm not sure if you can get all that info from there, but try it and see |
| 04:58.20 | cafuego | enouf: Yeah, like chekcing for status and xargsing into dpkg --purge :-) |
| 04:58.21 | concept10 | my advice for the day: get a hot tub. When the ladies see that, its almost guaranteed. and im serious. |
| 04:58.35 | holycow | yeah its a start danke |
| 04:58.41 | enouf | cafuego: heh |
| 04:58.50 | cafuego | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | sudo args dpkg -P |
| 04:58.54 | peterS | concept10: if you like your wimmin as shallow as your hot tub |
| 04:59.17 | cafuego | enouf: A little decruft oneliner |
| 04:59.20 | PingFloyd | maybe she wipes the wrong way and has a rotten pussy |
| 04:59.27 | enouf | cafuego: looks sweet .. thanks ;-) |
| 04:59.28 | stoned | ugh |
| 04:59.35 | stoned | dude, stfu. |
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| 04:59.47 | concept10 | peterS, who said they have to stay around long? If they stay too long, the electric bill is sky-high from the electric pumps |
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| 04:59.49 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:59.52 | lkthomas | does grub support UUID ? |
| 05:00.00 | cafuego | lkthomas: no |
| 05:00.06 | concept10 | yes it does |
| 05:00.11 | L|NUX | apache |
| 05:00.12 | lkthomas | LOL |
| 05:00.12 | L|NUX | apache-common |
| 05:00.12 | L|NUX | base-config |
| 05:00.15 | L|NUX | these three :) |
| 05:00.15 | lkthomas | yes or no damn |
| 05:00.16 | cafuego | lkthomas: it use sits own device names (hd0), (hd1,3) etc. |
| 05:00.27 | lkthomas | cafuego, I don't mean for root |
| 05:00.31 | lkthomas | I mean |
| 05:00.36 | cafuego | lkthomas: WHatfor do you mean then? |
| 05:00.37 | lkthomas | root (hd0,0) |
| 05:00.47 | lkthomas | it's ok for root (hd0,0) |
| 05:00.54 | lkthomas | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=UUID=9e63d70a-dcf0-4d46-a6e8-bf40ca3a96ef |
| 05:00.58 | lkthomas | would this work ? |
| 05:01.03 | cafuego | it doens't use uuid internally no. only as kernel boot param. |
| 05:01.06 | cafuego | lkthomas: yes |
| 05:01.11 | peterS | lkthomas: root= is not parsed by grub, but by the kernel. so you're asking a kernel question |
| 05:01.17 | lkthomas | ahha |
| 05:01.25 | lkthomas | ok then |
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| 05:01.32 | cafuego | And you're UBUNTU kernel... what's that doing here? ;-) |
| 05:01.56 | lkthomas | cafuego, ubuntu = debian |
| 05:01.57 | concept10 | ok, I forgot, my server doesnt have grub :) |
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| 05:02.02 | concept10 | heh |
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| 05:02.04 | lkthomas | those fucking ubuntu user is stupid |
| 05:02.09 | concept10 | heh |
| 05:02.09 | lkthomas | can't even answer anything |
| 05:02.11 | ribamar | hello.. |
| 05:02.17 | peterS | lkthomas: no, it isn't. ubuntu is its own thing. they take a lot of stuff from debian, but they also make up stuff |
| 05:02.23 | cafuego | lkthomas: I just answered, though ;-) |
| 05:02.27 | brendonjt | hey all a question please about mozilla thunderbird |
| 05:02.28 | enouf | cafuego: got one for you (totally unrelated), but ; and redduck<random-numbers> (and others) helped me out over in #bash, but to use find for finding all files (of a certain type say) in all your $PATH 's location + in $HOME, use this --> $ find ${PATH//:/ } $HOME -regex '.*\.\(iso\|sh\)$' <--for example |
| 05:02.59 | enouf | cafuego: i realise it's not very useful, just someone else asked about how to do it, and got me interested in figuring it out ;-) |
| 05:03.30 | cafuego | enouf: I use `beagle' for such things; `find' mashes disks to bits. |
| 05:03.39 | lkthomas | peterS, I like the artwork on ubuntu |
| 05:03.44 | cafuego | enouf: But it doth look shiny :-) |
| 05:03.51 | peterS | lkthomas: doesn't mean it has anything to do with debian, or #debian |
| 05:03.59 | cafuego | !tell brendonjt -about ask |
| 05:04.06 | concept10 | cafuego, are you a ubuntu team member? |
| 05:04.10 | cafuego | concept10: nope |
| 05:04.11 | dclarke | out of curiosity what's with Debian having a weird build of cdrecord ? |
| 05:04.14 | lkthomas | peterS, it is a general question, I do use debian as well :) |
| 05:04.21 | cafuego | dclarke: wodim? it's a fork. |
| 05:04.29 | enouf | cafuego: heh .. yeah, locate and dlocate, and grep are my favs ;-) .. find certainly does disk thrashing :-/ |
| 05:04.32 | dclarke | why ? |
| 05:04.36 | cafuego | dclarke: The cdrecord author is a **** and a **** which thinks Linux is **** |
| 05:04.50 | dclarke | yeah .. but it works fine |
| 05:04.54 | cafuego | TO put it poliyely. |
| 05:05.04 | enouf | dclarke: rememeber that lists.debian.org reference i threw out there? .. ;-) |
| 05:05.08 | peterS | dclarke: because we finally got fed up with dealing with joerg schilling, whose license terms and attitude have gotten increasingly obnoxious over the years until now we can't negotiate with him in any capacity |
| 05:05.09 | cafuego | dclarke: For some values of fine, yes. |
| 05:05.10 | concept10 | they still have problems with tha guy? |
| 05:05.13 | dclarke | who cares about his religios beliefs |
| 05:05.17 | ribamar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.36 | cafuego | dclarke: cdrecord and sata dbvd burners for instance are not friends. |
| 05:05.45 | dclarke | oh .. |
| 05:05.45 | concept10 | stoned, where are you man? |
| 05:05.49 | dclarke | I only use IDE |
| 05:05.56 | peterS | dclarke: it "works fine" if you don't mind getting several lines of spam output to your console about Joerg Schilling every time you run your app. and if you don't mind the offensive stance that we are _not allowed_ to remove those lines from our _own copy_ of the software. |
| 05:06.07 | cafuego | And since mr schilling only uses slowaris, he's not interested in doing anything about it. |
| 05:06.09 | brendonjt | cafuego, i am going to reinstall debian on a clients machine who uses thunderbird if i copy the .mozilla thunderbird directory back after the reinstall would all the settings be restored and email |
| 05:06.12 | dclarke | but .. in any case .. it seem weird to take someone elses stuff .. copy it and then call it yours and then say .. geee .thats "fine" |
| 05:06.30 | cafuego | dclarke: That's forking, the license allows it eh. |
| 05:06.34 | dclarke | solaris is a lot of things .. but it ain't slow |
| 05:06.52 | peterS | dclarke: we aren't "calling it ours". we are saying "this is derived from something written by many other people including joerg schilling but now we're handling it ourselves because he doesn't want to deal with debian". |
| 05:06.57 | cafuego | dclarke: On the right hardware, nothing is slow. |
| 05:07.05 | dclarke | actually my new RHEL5 feels like crap on Opterons compared to it |
| 05:07.14 | peterS | dclarke: have you ever even looked at wodim? if so, please tell me where you got the impression that we claim to have written it ourselves |
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| 05:07.32 | msingh | i've just installed the package exmap. any ideas on how to actually run the program? |
| 05:07.36 | dclarke | heck .. I didn't even know what it was called |
| 05:07.59 | dclarke | I just heard that there was a problem with something called CD download .. cddl |
| 05:08.25 | peterS | dclarke: frankly if you don't have any actual evidence that we're taking schilling's app and claiming credit for it, I'm more than a little offended that you're claiming this |
| 05:08.37 | peterS | dclarke: yes, it's personal, I'm one of the people you're accusing |
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| 05:08.55 | dclarke | wow .. you're a bit of a hot head eh ? |
| 05:09.12 | dclarke | all I asked is where is cdrecord and whats with the new thing |
| 05:09.14 | peterS | dclarke: you started it. you claimed that we're stealing credit for someone else's work. put up or shut up. |
| 05:09.22 | dclarke | okay .. fine |
| 05:09.26 | dclarke | your a theif |
| 05:09.31 | dclarke | is that clear enough ? |
| 05:09.32 | peterS | dclarke: evidence please. |
| 05:09.37 | enouf | dclarke: for what purpose are you trolling? |
| 05:09.45 | dclarke | cdrecord was writte nby some guy and it works real well |
| 05:09.54 | dclarke | I use it .. all the bloody time |
| 05:10.05 | dclarke | and I have worked like a madmand to get Debian working today |
| 05:10.07 | peterS | dclarke: if you can't point me to a place where it says we're claiming credit for writing wodim, kindly take back your insult |
| 05:10.09 | dclarke | netboot mostly ... |
| 05:10.23 | dclarke | and .. anyways .. cdrecord looks to be gone or modified or something |
| 05:10.32 | dclarke | so .. you stole it .. changed it .. and called it yours |
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| 05:10.43 | dclarke | there .. thats real clear if you want to pic kan argument |
| 05:10.47 | peterS | dclarke: "called it ours"? point me to where we ever said that. |
| 05:10.51 | EdLin | dclarke: no, it became non-free, so it had to be forked from a free version. |
| 05:10.53 | dclarke | tough to say that you wrote it all yourself |
| 05:11.04 | dclarke | it became non-free ? |
| 05:11.06 | EdLin | dclarke: you can always fork free software. |
| 05:11.11 | enouf | dclarke: get your facts straight, or should I say your suppositions |
| 05:11.13 | peterS | dclarke: where did we say we wrote it? this is a simple question. |
| 05:11.16 | EdLin | dclarke: yes, later versions are nencmbered |
| 05:11.21 | EdLin | encumbered* |
| 05:11.27 | dclarke | encumbered ? |
| 05:11.31 | dclarke | encumbered ? how ? |
| 05:11.36 | peterS | dclarke: answer the question |
| 05:11.37 | enouf | dclarke: do you even read what license agreements say? |
| 05:11.39 | dclarke | like to whom ? |
| 05:11.46 | dclarke | answer what question ? |
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| 05:11.51 | peterS | dclarke: where did we say we wrote it? |
| 05:11.59 | enouf | the few simple ones above |
| 05:12.04 | dclarke | you said you did ? didn't you ? |
| 05:12.16 | peterS | dclarke: where did I or anyone else say we wrote this app? |
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| 05:12.25 | dclarke | you didn't ? |
| 05:12.27 | peterS | dclarke: I didn't say it and I'm offended that you're accusing me of saying it |
| 05:12.37 | dclarke | okay .. gee .. then you must have copied it from the guy that wrote it |
| 05:12.40 | scx | bonjour |
| 05:12.41 | dclarke | stole it |
| 05:12.44 | enouf | dclarke: putup or shutup |
| 05:12.51 | peterS | dclarke: of course we did. that's exactly what we did. and where did we ever say we wrote it? |
| 05:12.53 | dclarke | putup what ? |
| 05:13.10 | peterS | dclarke: you must have copied your entire system from a Debian CD. does that mean you're claiming credit for writing your OS? how ridiculous |
| 05:13.13 | dclarke | wow .. this is why etch was soo late .. you are out of control |
| 05:13.14 | xoz | peterS: i think we heard enough. he is simply trolling. |
| 05:13.18 | EdLin | dclarke: steal free software? |
| 05:13.23 | enouf | evidence it was "stolen" |
| 05:13.24 | EdLin | dclarke: are you on crack? |
| 05:13.38 | dclarke | the hell I am .. I worked with this all day and yesterday to get netboot going |
| 05:13.57 | enouf | dclarke: do you use GNU software at all? do you know how the GPL works? |
| 05:13.58 | dclarke | but in any case .. you seem to have a complete lack of control over yourself |
| 05:14.01 | dclarke | have a good day |
| 05:14.03 | EdLin | dclarke: so now, to vent your frustration, you are screaming about stealing free software. |
| 05:14.05 | peterS | dclarke: this is very simple. you are accusing us of stealing credit for someone else's work. we are not doing that. everywhere in the documentation, everywhere in the help screens, we give credit where credit is due. take back your insult - now - or back it up with facts. |
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| 05:14.10 | enouf | hehe .. !customer |
| 05:14.17 | EdLin | !customer |
| 05:14.18 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 05:14.22 | enouf | :-) |
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| 05:14.34 | enouf | !elvis |
| 05:14.34 | dpkg | it has been said that elvis is king, or an editor, or dead, or elvis lives |
| 05:14.52 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 05:14.53 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 05:14.54 | enouf | we need an elvis' ghost factoid ;-P |
| 05:15.57 | ribamar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.11 | enouf | ribamar: it's update-rc.d |
| 05:16.16 | ribamar | yes... |
| 05:16.25 | enouf | see the man pages and /msg dpkg update-rc.d |
| 05:16.28 | ribamar | (just too much lazy to write that) |
| 05:17.06 | enouf | ribamar: /msg dpkg sysv-rc .. and maybe dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 05:17.13 | concept10 | dang, I just missed a good argument |
| 05:17.40 | xoz | ribamar: try startx. possible your X is not properly configured? |
| 05:17.54 | msingh | i've just installed the package exmap. any ideas on how to actually run the program? |
| 05:17.58 | ribamar | enouf: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm : Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing |
| 05:18.09 | ribamar | X is ok.. |
| 05:18.13 | enouf | wtf? .. hrm |
| 05:19.50 | enouf | ribamar: you broke it already ;-P |
| 05:19.50 | enouf | !services |
| 05:19.50 | dpkg | somebody said services was to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 05:19.50 | ribamar | everything is Ok, but some daemons as acpid and gdm aren't starting up =/ |
| 05:19.51 | enouf | !runlevel |
| 05:19.51 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
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| 05:19.51 | enouf | !sysv-rc-conf |
| 05:19.51 | dpkg | It has been said that sysv-rc-conf is; zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz :: Do an "apt-get install sysv-rc-conf" to use the TUI runlevel curses-based config utility. Also ask me about <rcconf> (a simpler ncurses TUI tool, meant for default runlevel control [2] config), ..ask me about <sysv-rc>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>, <runlevels>, and <services>, or "/msg dpkg reference" for a nice full |
| 05:19.52 | stoned | g'night |
| 05:29.21 | Amarande | Apparently runlevels 7, 8, and 9 are also supported by init, but never actually used by any dist I know of. |
| 05:29.21 | enouf | Amarande: you can add them if you like ;-) |
| 05:29.21 | Amarande | Though really I've never thought of a system scenario where you'd even need all of 2, 3, 4, and 5 to be different. |
| 05:29.21 | msingh | Or at least tell me how to find out this information.. |
| 05:29.21 | enouf | especially for debian since 2-5 are the same anyways, there's plenty to play with already ;-) |
| 05:29.22 | enouf | msingh: ? |
| 05:29.22 | msingh | enouf, i've installed a package and have no idea what the binaries are called so i cannot run it |
| 05:29.22 | enouf | msingh: dpkg -l <pkgname> |
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| 05:29.22 | enouf | msingh: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 05:29.23 | enouf | sorry |
| 05:29.23 | ribamar | enouf : in sysv-rc-conf every services i need is correctlyu marked... |
| 05:29.23 | enouf | msingh: or install dlocate |
| 05:29.23 | enouf | ribamar: correctly marked? in their appropriate runlevels too ? are you forgettitng about rcS.d perhaps? |
| 05:29.23 | msingh | enouf, thanks.. it was called gexmem. |
| 05:29.23 | enouf | ribamar: dpkg -l acpi* |
| 05:29.24 | enouf | msingh: no prob |
| 05:29.24 | xoz | ribamar: execute them and check the logs. |
| 05:29.26 | xoz | ribamar: we are not mind readers. give more info why it doesn't start. |
| 05:29.26 | enouf | ribamar: i use sysv-rc-conf to also start/stop services .. see the --help |
| 05:29.26 | enouf | !8ball |
| 05:29.27 | enouf | dang |
| 05:29.27 | ribamar | ./init.d/gdm start : Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. |
| 05:29.27 | ribamar | xoz: ./init.d/gdm start : Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing. |
| 05:29.27 | Toyd | DPL |
| 05:29.27 | enouf | ribamar: are you in a chroot env? |
| 05:29.27 | ribamar | no... |
| 05:29.27 | Toyd | DPL you here? |
| 05:29.27 | enouf | ribamar: well what env are you in? |
| 05:29.27 | xoz | ribamar: read /etc/init.d/gdm. i think it reads some variables. |
| 05:29.28 | xoz | ribamar: or cut and paste that error to google. |
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| 05:29.28 | enouf | ribamar: are you in single mode? "runlevel" syas what? |
| 05:29.28 | ribamar | enouf: how can I check? |
| 05:29.28 | enouf | ribamar: "runlevel" syas what? |
| 05:29.28 | ribamar | oh, yes N 2 |
| 05:29.28 | enouf | ok |
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| 05:29.28 | ribamar | enouf : should I be in another one? |
| 05:29.29 | enouf | ribamar: does "mount" say anything about 'ro' on any of the FSs ? |
| 05:29.29 | enouf | ribamar: no 2 is default for GUI |
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| 05:29.29 | cwheeler | how do I get to the app that lets me reconfigure metacity in detail? |
| 05:29.30 | ribamar | enouf : hm.. /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 05:29.30 | enouf | cwheeler: ? |
| 05:29.30 | enouf | ribamar: nope .. that's fine |
| 05:29.30 | enouf | that shows on if errors it'll remount ro only |
| 05:29.30 | cwheeler | I want windows to not raise when I click in them, but i've forgotten the way to the menu |
| 05:29.30 | enouf | ribamar: is this a fresh installation? are you missing pkgs? what's the history of your situation? |
| 05:29.58 | ribamar | enouf: this is a fresh leny install... i don' t think I'm missing any pkgs, |
| 05:30.09 | ribamar | enouf : i tried apt-get install -f |
| 05:30.26 | xoz | ribamar: dpkg --configure --pending |
| 05:30.47 | enouf | cwheeler: what x-session-manager are you using .. mine's listed as startkde, and kwin is used, but configuration for window behavior is done through kcontrol center |
| 05:30.57 | ribamar | enouf : i've tried too... nothing is shown |
| 05:31.02 | enouf | ribamar: forcing what? why? |
| 05:31.45 | ribamar | enouf : just to check if the apt-getting of some pkg wasn't finished |
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| 05:32.23 | cwheeler | enouf metacity |
| 05:32.28 | cwheeler | gnome |
| 05:32.30 | enouf | ribamar: any errors in grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? .. your xinitrc and such may be munged .. i don't know gnome settings, except you could try gconf perhaps |
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| 05:33.04 | enouf | cwheeler: i don't know .. you sure gnome isn't installed? .. maybe gnome-control-center can help |
| 05:33.23 | cwheeler | yes gnome is installed |
| 05:33.27 | ribamar | enouf: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 05:33.37 | ribamar | if I run gdm manuall it works... |
| 05:33.57 | cwheeler | looking |
| 05:33.57 | enouf | ribamar: that's not an issue .. it returned because EE are in those strings |
| 05:33.57 | xoz | ribamar: check http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=8007 |
| 05:34.20 | xoz | ribamar: you have a fake start-stop-daemon in the literal sense. |
| 05:34.22 | enouf | ribamar: what? .. try apt-get update && apt-get install --reinstall gdm |
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| 05:35.08 | cwheeler | it's not in gnome-control-center, it was in an app with a tree of stuff to configure |
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| 05:35.18 | ribamar | enouf : at the very end of apt-get --reinstall it shows " Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing." |
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| 05:35.44 | ribamar | xoz: i'm going check that site |
| 05:35.57 | xoz | ribamar: did you use debootstrap? |
| 05:35.57 | enouf | and restart X .. try /etc/init.d/gdm restart, or just reboot .. i've run into funky situations playing with how autologin and shit works with the DM, it ain't pretty, especially after the DE's broke a few things |
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| 05:36.17 | xoz | ribamar: the fake start-stop-daemon is really fake |
| 05:36.22 | ribamar | xoz: what's debootstrap? |
| 05:36.25 | enouf | Raging_Hog: well .. i'm out of ideas |
| 05:36.28 | enouf | er ribamar |
| 05:36.28 | xoz | ribamar: nevermind |
| 05:36.39 | enouf | apologies Raging_Hog , i meant ribamar |
| 05:37.04 | xoz | ribamar: ls /sbin/start* |
| 05:37.22 | xoz | ribamar: how many you have? |
| 05:37.23 | enouf | cwheeler: don't know then |
| 05:37.28 | ribamar | enouf: i've tried several things and tried to reboot again... |
| 05:37.37 | ribamar | xoz: 3 |
| 05:37.47 | ribamar | xoz: /sbin/startpar /sbin/start-stop-daemon /sbin/start-stop-daemon.REAL |
| 05:37.50 | xoz | ribamar: cp the real to the fake one |
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| 05:38.46 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 05:38.46 | dpkg | <galois> bethe: mutt? <bethe> bitch! |
| 05:38.50 | ribamar | xoz: i think it worked =) |
| 05:39.20 | xoz | ribamar: told you to check that site. i wonder why you have this problem. are you using 64bit comp? |
| 05:39.34 | ribamar | no, i'm using 32-bit -/ |
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| 05:40.04 | cwheeler | enouf I found it Applicatons ->System Tools->Configuration Editor->metacity |
| 05:40.12 | xoz | ribamar: always google the error. it is always very useful as long as you have a well-defined error in the logs. |
| 05:40.17 | ribamar | xoz : yes the site had the answer... |
| 05:40.22 | Amarande | hmm, can I run Guild Wars and WoW with the etch version of wine or do I need sid's or cedega? |
| 05:40.34 | Jebediah | My monospace font seems hosed (unreadable, very faint). How can I figure out which font file is to blame? |
| 05:40.42 | xoz | ribamar: is this fresh install or you upgraded? |
| 05:40.46 | enouf | cwheeler: maybe something in ~/.metacity ? .. check out your ~/.gnome2_private type files |
| 05:41.00 | enouf | cwheeler: hehe |
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| 05:41.01 | ribamar | xoz: fresh |
| 05:41.04 | ribamar | just installed |
| 05:41.20 | xoz | eh? ok, you are running testing. |
| 05:41.35 | ribamar | yest |
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| 05:41.48 | enouf | xtr: he said lenny |
| 05:41.51 | enouf | xoz: |
| 05:41.55 | enouf | but nm |
| 05:41.56 | cwheeler | enouf I checked for dot files |
| 05:42.13 | enouf | cwheeler: oki .. what you found seems the correct DE way |
| 05:42.20 | xoz | enouf: testing and lenny are the same |
| 05:42.43 | Amarande | On Windows, the system runs quiet ... on Linux, my fan is making way too much bloody flaming noise |
| 05:42.44 | enouf | xoz: apologies, thought you asked if they're running etch, (not testing) |
| 05:42.53 | xoz | enouf: np |
| 05:43.13 | Jebediah | Amarande: that noise is just the sound of penguin power ;) |
| 05:43.18 | enouf | Amarande: laptop? |
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| 05:43.27 | Amarande | enouf: nope, full tower, nForce4 based |
| 05:43.34 | enouf | heh |
| 05:43.56 | enouf | Amarande: PSU fan, or Case fan i presume |
| 05:44.12 | ribamar | xoz and enouf: thank you for the help =) |
| 05:44.14 | Amarande | could even be CPU fan ... hmm, can you get fan RPMs from /proc? |
| 05:44.16 | enouf | !nickometer {V}{e}[K]{i}{L} |
| 05:44.18 | dpkg | '{V}{e}[K]{i}{L}' is 99.9645% lame, enouf |
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| 05:44.42 | Amarande | !nickometer Amarande |
| 05:44.44 | dpkg | 'Amarande' is 0.000% lame, amarande |
| 05:44.45 | enouf | Arafangion: yes .. but i'm not great at that |
| 05:44.47 | Amarande | yay :) |
| 05:44.54 | enouf | er Amarande |
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| 05:46.18 | enouf | Amarande: just some general info, but this is laptop stuff http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
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| 05:47.55 | enouf | IIRC, it's in /sys/power/* somewhere .. and you need the correct modules loaded, etc etc .. if a k7-k8 CPU, then maybe "powersaved" can help, as well as enabling "PowerNow" in the BIOS |
| 05:48.01 | enouf | Amarande: ^^^ |
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| 05:49.20 | enouf | Amarande: apt-get update && apt-cache show powersaved {acpi , acpid. acpi-utils} |
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| 05:50.21 | albertito | Hi! I've just installed debian through debootstrap and I'm having issues setting the locales, because locales-gen fails to generate them. Any idea what might be going on? |
| 05:50.40 | enouf | !locales |
| 05:50.40 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 05:51.16 | Jebediah | albertito: I'd just pick a few common ones to get going, in case one is failing to generate and making things fail |
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| 05:51.51 | albertito | Jebediah: I'm using en_US.UTF-8... |
| 05:52.06 | albertito | enouf: yeah, but dpkg-reconfigure locales calls locales-gen and it fails. I already tried that :S |
| 05:52.09 | enouf | !keymap |
| 05:52.09 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 05:52.15 | enouf | oh .. heh |
| 05:52.28 | Jebediah | oh my, that is a pickle of sorts |
| 05:52.49 | mike | lenny installed ,,:) |
| 05:52.50 | albertito | I have an strace but it doesn't say much, let me paste it |
| 05:52.51 | enouf | libc6 is wrong version? wtf? |
| 05:54.24 | mike | nice nice |
| 05:54.27 | Amarande | ok, time to configure the printer |
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| 05:54.47 | Amarande | hmm, apparently this printer supports LPR directly, what should I enter as the Queue name? |
| 05:54.52 | enouf | albertito: I don;y know .. anything in man locale {locale(5), locale(7), setlocale(3)} can help? |
| 05:54.55 | albertito | Jebediah, enouf: here's the relevant strace output: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/9609 |
| 05:55.24 | enouf | Amarande: what's the status of your fans? ..lol |
| 05:55.43 | Amarande | Still loud, lol |
| 05:56.03 | Toyd | DPL you here? |
| 05:56.07 | exobyte | I have a nat box with public and private IP addresses. If I add an iptables forwarding rule that forwards to an internal subnet, this can't give public hosts access to my internal network, right? They'd have to make the destination a local address, and no router on the internet would send a packet with a private address destination to me |
| 05:56.11 | Toyd | DPL you here? |
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| 05:56.18 | enouf | albertito: are you on a 'ro' FS |
| 05:56.20 | Toyd | DPL you here? |
| 05:56.26 | enouf | albertito: mounted as ? |
| 05:56.28 | Jebediah | albertito: over my head I'm afraid... could you apt-get a different version of locales-gen or whatever pkg contains it? |
| 05:57.00 | albertito | enouf: I'm not on a ro fs (I saved the strace =), it's a normal ext3 |
| 05:57.08 | albertito | Jebediah: let me see |
| 05:57.19 | Toyd | !fable |
| 05:57.19 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 05:57.33 | Toyd | !fable albertito |
| 05:58.31 | enouf | albertito: what's $ ls -l /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive say? |
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| 05:58.56 | enouf | Toyd: wtf? |
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| 05:59.45 | Toyd | !fable enouf |
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| 05:59.53 | enouf | you expect an answer/reply of some sorts from the DPL in here |
| 06:00.04 | enouf | ? |
| 06:00.08 | acu | I want to make a DVD movie from DV raw files - does anyone knows a "working" app which can do this work ? |
| 06:00.12 | Toyd | i just needed to speak to the DPL |
| 06:00.20 | albertito | Jebediah: it's from locales, and I'm already up to the latest version |
| 06:00.33 | albertito | enouf: No such file or directory |
| 06:00.34 | enouf | Toyd: that's nice .. what about? |
| 06:00.35 | Jebediah | albertito: downgrade possible? |
| 06:00.43 | enouf | albertito: that's a problem then |
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| 06:00.54 | albertito | enouf: i see it :S let me try |
| 06:01.00 | Toyd | i know him enouf |
| 06:01.05 | enouf | albertito: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1380752 2007-04-21 10:30 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 06:01.07 | Toyd | he is a relative of mine |
| 06:01.14 | enouf | Toyd: you sound like a troll to me |
| 06:01.19 | albertito | Toyd: sorry, I don't get the fable thing |
| 06:01.30 | Toyd | !fable |
| 06:01.30 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 06:01.36 | enouf | albertito: don;t pay attention to Toyd ... yet ;-) |
| 06:01.39 | Toyd | read that albertito |
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| 06:01.50 | albertito | Toyd: I did... |
| 06:01.55 | Toyd | :-) |
| 06:02.00 | Jebediah | Toyd: it's not pertinent to his problem |
| 06:02.05 | enouf | Toyd: btw -- who is the DPL these days? |
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| 06:02.19 | albertito | enouf: this is weird... it seems like locale-gen is removing the directory! Let me confirm with an strace |
| 06:03.08 | enouf | albertito: see if an apt-get update && apt-get upgdade helps |
| 06:03.19 | enouf | albertito: see if an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade typo |
| 06:03.44 | Toyd | !fable |
| 06:03.45 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 06:03.59 | albertito | enouf: yes, it's actually doing an execve("rm -rf /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive") :S |
| 06:04.01 | enouf | albertito: IINM, locales is a function of libc6 |
| 06:04.08 | enouf | Toyd: stop please |
| 06:04.17 | albertito | enouf: ok, I'll see if there's anything to upgrade |
| 06:04.32 | Toyd | !help |
| 06:04.55 | Toyd | where can i find x? |
| 06:05.25 | Toyd | !spell |
| 06:05.30 | Toyd | !scramble |
| 06:05.32 | dpkg | Unknown Error Condition |
| 06:05.35 | Jebediah | that's crazy behavior, removing the dir |
| 06:05.50 | scx | hi there, could anybody tell me about a web proxy like proxify which is not that expensive? |
| 06:05.51 | enouf | Jebediah: it may be to create a new one ;-) |
| 06:05.56 | Toyd | !search edgy |
| 06:05.56 | albertito | enouf: nothing to upgrade (I installed this just a few hours ago) |
| 06:06.00 | scx | privacymouse seems down |
| 06:06.15 | enouf | albertito: i see .. apt-cache policy libc6 says? |
| 06:06.25 | Jebediah | enouf: good point, although it's usually good to follow through on recreating it ;) |
| 06:06.28 | simonrvn | privoxy? |
| 06:06.41 | scx | * that was a terrible english... |
| 06:06.42 | enouf | albertito: use pastebin naturally |
| 06:06.47 | simonrvn | enouf: actually, it only points to g++ |
| 06:06.50 | albertito | enouf: installed and candidate == 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 06:06.54 | simonrvn | enouf: from before |
| 06:07.09 | enouf | Jebediah: one line from strace doesn't say much sometimes? |
| 06:07.16 | Amarande | ok, what the heck did I do to vi |
| 06:07.17 | enouf | er :-) , not? |
| 06:07.20 | Amarande | I hit i to insert text |
| 06:07.27 | Amarande | I hit the right arrow key, and instead I get a C. |
| 06:07.30 | albertito | enouf: well, there's nothing much to it besides that... |
| 06:07.36 | Amarande | The right arrow works fine when NOT inserting text. |
| 06:07.57 | albertito | enouf: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/9614, just in case |
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| 06:08.07 | Jebediah | hehe, nano > vi > emacs |
| 06:08.10 | albertito | enouf: maybe it has something to do with the permissions of that dir? |
| 06:08.30 | simonrvn | Amarande: esc esc esc |
| 06:08.42 | enouf | simonrvn: right .. ok .. i recall the situation, but doesn't it always point to g++ ? and shouldn;t it, or because it does, and older libstdc++ will not be used? |
| 06:08.45 | simonrvn | sometimes helps |
| 06:09.14 | enouf | albertito: I showed you mine (permissions) above IIRC |
| 06:09.15 | simonrvn | enouf: yeh, but g++ isn't always at the same version b) it's not handled by alternatives |
| 06:09.19 | scx | Jebediah: that's like appe > neanderthal > sapiens |
| 06:09.44 | Jebediah | I like minimalism :P |
| 06:10.04 | enouf | simonrvn: right .. ok .. gotcha, so an "export <something> = .. " is needed prior to using an older version? |
| 06:10.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:10.18 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.29 | enouf | simonrvn: right .. thanks ;-) |
| 06:10.30 | simonrvn | or just another version, period |
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| 06:10.57 | enouf | simonrvn: LD_LIBRARY_PATH shouldn;t matter, or is that ABI specific? |
| 06:11.08 | simonrvn | that's something else |
| 06:11.46 | enouf | albertito: your apt-cache policy output looks ok ,.. AFAICT |
| 06:11.57 | enouf | simonrvn: okie .. thanks |
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| 06:12.29 | albertito | enouf: yes you did, sorry about that. I don't have that file, but if I touch it it doesn't make a difference |
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| 06:13.09 | enouf | albertito: does aptitude or apt-get show any half-installed pkgs? |
| 06:13.40 | Amarande | wait, why am I setting myself away and such |
| 06:13.45 | Amarande | I need to restart X presently, anyway :P |
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| 06:14.17 | jetscreamer | Toyd is a troll, but i like him i think |
| 06:14.18 | albertito | enouf: I don't get why it's doing an fchmod after the unlink, and why it's failing (even tho SUSv3 doesn't seem to specify that behaviour, according to the manpages; but linux's manpage does say it can fail with ENOENT) |
| 06:15.02 | albertito | enouf: I haven't seen anything like that... how can I check for sure? (as you probably can tell, I'm not a debian user =) |
| 06:15.08 | enouf | albertito: does dpkg -l locales say it's installed? |
| 06:15.10 | enouf | ii locales 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support] |
| 06:15.27 | enouf | I'm on testing/sid though |
| 06:15.30 | albertito | enouf: ii locales 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support] |
| 06:15.42 | Toyd | jetscreamer, i know the guy that is an authority of the subject of trolls his name is Timothy Campbell |
| 06:15.55 | Toyd | and i talked to him a lot he said i wasnt a troll |
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| 06:16.03 | jetscreamer | coolio |
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| 06:16.31 | rellik | how do I run a command as a specific user? (I want to start up my svn server at boot with user 'svn') |
| 06:17.05 | jelly-home | rellik: use "su" |
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| 06:17.33 | rellik | jelly-home, ah, thanks |
| 06:17.34 | Toyd | jetscreamer, he wrote this article about it: http://web.archive.org/web/20060428091222/http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm |
| 06:17.52 | enouf | albertito: $ stat /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive | grep Uid <-- says? |
| 06:17.56 | jelly-home | rellik: or you could look into start-stop-daemon |
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| 06:18.44 | rellik | Toyd, an "authority" on trolls? |
| 06:18.53 | Toyd | yep |
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| 06:19.08 | Toyd | his article is even on the wiki about trolls |
| 06:19.10 | albertito | enouf: I don't have that file; but after I touch it, it says: Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 06:19.21 | enouf | albertito: I'm out of ideas too now :-( ..please see the carious man pages about its files and such .. |
| 06:19.22 | peterS | would that be Tolkienian trolls or Pratchettian trolls? they are quite different |
| 06:19.22 | rellik | Toyd, no such thing as an authority on trolls |
| 06:19.24 | enouf | okie |
| 06:19.27 | enouf | mine says |
| 06:19.27 | Amarande | I installed it, and X is still using nv |
| 06:19.28 | Toyd | yes there is |
| 06:19.35 | Amarande | do you have to edit the config file manually or something? |
| 06:19.37 | albertito | enouf: np, thanks a lot!! |
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| 06:19.39 | enouf | Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 06:19.57 | rellik | Toyd, trolling is subjective.. that's like saying someone is an authority on niceness |
| 06:20.13 | Toyd | hehe well i mean he wrote a nice article about it |
| 06:20.14 | Istink | :) I just found http://hidemyass.com |
| 06:20.21 | peterS | nice people suck |
| 06:20.21 | Toyd | but yeah you are right |
| 06:20.31 | xjkx | my gcc hasnt windows.h and I want to apt-get a package that has such library |
| 06:20.35 | PingFloyd | http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/troller.htm |
| 06:20.41 | rellik | Toyd, peterS is an authority on niceness :) |
| 06:20.42 | enouf | albertito: have you toyed with setlocale, console-data, and such already manually? .. |
| 06:20.47 | Toyd | :) |
| 06:20.54 | peterS | xjkx: windows.h is a header found only on Win32 systems, I think. Debian doesn't support Win32 |
| 06:21.03 | xjkx | :( |
| 06:21.18 | Toyd | i am not a troll honestly i just came here because i have heard so much about debian |
| 06:21.21 | scx | peterS: you are soo nice |
| 06:21.30 | albertito | enouf: I haven't; I'll check into that, thanks! |
| 06:21.32 | peterS | scx: yeah, I'm trying to work on that |
| 06:21.39 | Toyd | and yeah i like the fable too |
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| 06:21.50 | Amarande | ok, that's taken care of. :) |
| 06:21.56 | peterS | enouf: you'll "see him on the dark side of the room"? |
| 06:22.03 | enouf | !tell albertito -about keymap |
| 06:22.04 | Amarande | weird that the nvidia howto doesn't mention that you need to manually change the driver in xorg.conf ... :| |
| 06:22.09 | enouf | peterS: heh |
| 06:22.18 | Amarande | now that that's done with ... |
| 06:22.19 | scx | peterS: :p |
| 06:22.24 | Jebediah | gtg folks |
| 06:22.28 | Amarande | is it normal for GDM to give a normal system boop at the login screen |
| 06:22.36 | Amarande | or should I be hearing a sound through the soundcard? |
| 06:22.43 | Amarande | ALSA seems to be all installed and such |
| 06:22.43 | enouf | albertito: fwiw, usually peterS is good with "locale" issues .. /me runs |
| 06:22.51 | Amarande | something might be missing though, Wine only found the OSS driver and not the ALSA |
| 06:22.59 | Amarande | and I'm not entirely sure which package is missing |
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| 06:23.09 | PingFloyd | Amarande: can't remember. I disabled the pkspkr ages ago :) |
| 06:23.14 | albertito | enouf: thanks! |
| 06:23.24 | enouf | albertito: as well as many others as well |
| 06:23.38 | jelly-home | Amarande: wine prefers the oss driver and it's the only one installed by default, better not use it as a measure |
| 06:24.09 | Toyd | Excerpt from the article:Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants." |
| 06:24.09 | enouf | albertito: but please don't PM people , (if you didn't already know ;-) ) especially without their explicit permissions |
| 06:24.10 | albertito | enouf: I'll hang around and maybe somebody will read about my problem and give me some more clues then =) Have a nice meal! |
| 06:24.21 | enouf | albertito: right ;-) |
| 06:24.23 | enouf | thanks |
| 06:24.36 | albertito | enouf: thanks for the tip, I won't =) |
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| 06:25.43 | drwahl | drwahl@drwahllin64:~$ glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 06:25.44 | drwahl | direct rendering: No |
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| 06:26.04 | scx | * mmm jelly ... :d |
| 06:26.06 | drwahl | how do i enable direct rendering on an nVidia 7900gs? |
| 06:26.20 | Amarande | dpkg, tell drwahl about nvidia |
| 06:26.25 | mike | go lenny |
| 06:27.00 | mike | !dpkg nvidia |
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| 06:28.58 | freetos | i've tried centos, mandriva, sabayon, ubuntu, and a half a dozen more distributions and I have to say debian has more pluses than the rest |
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| 06:29.48 | Amarande | ARGH |
| 06:29.50 | Toyd | freetos thanks :-) we try |
| 06:29.52 | Amarande | What have they done to XMMS! |
| 06:30.00 | PingFloyd | freetos: it's got most of the bases covered |
| 06:30.05 | Amarande | xmms2 is the clunkiest bloody flaming piece of junk I've seen so far :| |
| 06:30.16 | Toyd | :} |
| 06:30.25 | Toyd | :}0 |
| 06:30.32 | peterS | Amarande: you haven't seen the other 18 forks/updates of xmms then, they're all about equally crap |
| 06:30.36 | Toyd | :< |
| 06:30.39 | PingFloyd | Amarande: use a different player |
| 06:30.48 | peterS | I kid, I kid - there are only about 4 such forks/updates |
| 06:30.55 | Amarande | I remember xmms used to be a GOOD thing |
| 06:31.03 | Toyd | (>".)> |
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| 06:31.11 | mike | mplayer |
| 06:31.12 | peterS | yes, well, it's tied to Gtk1 which today is considered a bit out of date |
| 06:31.16 | mike | or vlc |
| 06:31.21 | Amarande | now xmms2 is incredibly clunky and apparently requires you to manually run about 5 zillion different processes to do anything with. |
| 06:31.26 | peterS | mike: dude, mplayer is nothing if not clunky |
| 06:31.41 | mike | dude! |
| 06:31.47 | scx | mike: both khat |
| 06:31.52 | Toyd | vlc is the best on every platform |
| 06:32.02 | mike | i like vlc |
| 06:32.05 | Amarande | is there a good media player anymore for streaming audio that, preferably, can be started as a single process, and can work from the 'listen' link on a shoutcast page? :P |
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| 06:32.10 | peterS | there's a picture of mplayer in the dictionary next to the word 'clunky', I think |
| 06:32.28 | Toyd | amarande shoutcast server |
| 06:32.29 | \amethyst | Amarande: try beep-media-player maybe? |
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| 06:32.39 | christof | Please someone already configured a ldap server? |
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| 06:33.18 | sec | hi |
| 06:33.25 | Toyd | Where can i find GNU people? |
| 06:33.37 | mike | mmm here |
| 06:33.41 | scx | in spain maybe |
| 06:33.43 | Sebboh | So, lvm2 is "kept back" and not upgraded. So I'm looking at this page: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=lvm2 .. But, does that describe my situation? I'm in Sid, not testing... |
| 06:33.47 | scx | or in the hell |
| 06:33.59 | scx | so, go for them :p |
| 06:34.05 | Toyd | i wanted to make an irc app in 3d |
| 06:34.12 | Toyd | with the letters floating |
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| 06:34.20 | Toyd | coming towards you |
| 06:34.37 | Sebboh | Dude floods would suck. |
| 06:34.45 | Sebboh | You'd scream. =) |
| 06:34.48 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: did you already try dist-upgrade? |
| 06:34.54 | Sebboh | PingFloyd, yep. |
| 06:35.02 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: try -s install |
| 06:35.04 | sec | somebody knows why in sendmail I have not to send mails in my terminal or in my php program (cms: drupal) but.. in squirrelmail yes!? I use sendmail + sasl + spamassassin with debian 3.1 |
| 06:35.10 | Toyd | and they going down from bottom to top in relief |
| 06:35.21 | Toyd | no it will be good |
| 06:35.24 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: that will show any dependency errors |
| 06:35.34 | sec | the message in my mail.log or in my mails is: "Domain name required for sender address" |
| 06:35.45 | Toyd | just wondering who would want to help start an project |
| 06:35.50 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: sometimes the packages don't have all the needed dependencies yet |
| 06:35.58 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: or reference a version not yet in the repo |
| 06:36.32 | Toyd | Sebboh, you could like add animation to certain words in a channel |
| 06:36.40 | sec | sm-msp-queue[6487]: l3N6JGsf005946: to=mysecmail@hotmail.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:07:38, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=390041, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by [127.0.0.1 |
| 06:36.41 | Toyd | but the channel moderators decide what is allowed |
| 06:36.56 | sec | somebody knows why? |
| 06:37.05 | drago | list |
| 06:37.10 | freetos | with backporting you have to deal with security updates or the lack therof, with testing you have stability issues, am i right? |
| 06:37.18 | Sebboh | PinkFloyd, apt-get -s install lvm2 removes lvm-common. |
| 06:37.55 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: is that the only error? |
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| 06:38.13 | Toyd | i would call it sphinx chat |
| 06:38.34 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: it conflicts with lvm-common is why |
| 06:38.41 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: got to have 1 or the other |
| 06:38.42 | aldin | could someone give me link fo a nice tutorial how to make kernel-image-2.3x from source to .deb ? |
| 06:38.49 | aldin | *2.6 |
| 06:38.49 | Toyd | oh well just going to make it in wpf if nobody is interested from the linux community |
| 06:39.15 | Sebboh | PingFloyd, that's not an error. -s didn't produce errors. PingFloyd, well, lvm2 replaces lvm-common.... |
| 06:39.23 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: yes |
| 06:39.34 | PingFloyd | it's a package conflict |
| 06:40.13 | scx | aldin: make deb |
| 06:40.27 | scx | or it was dpkg ? |
| 06:40.28 | PingFloyd | so it means you need to use one version or the other, not both |
| 06:40.57 | PingFloyd | the fix is the remove the lvm version that you're not using |
| 06:41.03 | Toyd | relief and perspective can really help in chat channels |
| 06:41.13 | Toyd | maybe this is something for beryl |
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| 06:42.18 | Toyd | need to finish toyd project first though |
| 06:43.05 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: do you have lvm2 and lvm-common both on your system? |
| 06:43.36 | Toyd | i always wanted a chat app that could do grafitti fonts |
| 06:43.43 | albertito | enouf: I tracked it down to a simple bug, maybe inside UML. The testcase is at http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/9625, it passes on my normal box, fails under UML with fchmod() returning -ENOENT. I'm off to bed, just wanted to let you know. Thanks! |
| 06:43.58 | aldin | scx: ? where to make deb, in which folder do u have link for A-Z procedure |
| 06:43.59 | Sebboh | PingFloyd, so, there is a good reason that lvm2 2.02.24-6 isn't in testing yet.. But there is no reason why it shouldn't be in my Sid, right? |
| 06:44.07 | Toyd | g' night albertito |
| 06:44.18 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: not sure about that |
| 06:44.24 | enouf | albertito: wow .. heh .. thanks for reporting back ;-) |
| 06:44.25 | Snake-Eyes | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.37 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: which version of lvm are you using? |
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| 06:44.44 | enouf | albertito: and your welcome, glad i could help (though very minimally) |
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| 06:45.16 | Sebboh | PingFloyd, yes, I have lvm2 2.02.06-4 and lvm-common 1.5.20.. And, I don't have lvm (compare: lvm2) |
| 06:45.18 | albertito | enouf: I'll see in #uml tomorrow and I'll let you know. Night! |
| 06:45.35 | enouf | albertito: sleep well .. 'night |
| 06:45.40 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: but which version are you using? |
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| 06:45.52 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: they're different versions and that's why they conflict |
| 06:46.00 | Sebboh | lvm 2.02.06-4 |
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| 06:46.23 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: then do apt-get remove lvm-common lvm2+ |
| 06:46.24 | Sebboh | ack, I mean, lvm2 2.02.06-4 |
| 06:46.38 | Sebboh | Is that + a typo? =) |
| 06:46.41 | PingFloyd | no |
| 06:46.51 | Sebboh | Wow, ok. |
| 06:46.58 | PingFloyd | that will install lvm2 and remove lvm-common at the same time |
| 06:47.02 | rellik | jelly-home, thanks for the tip... su didn't work (maybe because svn can't login?).. but start-stop-daemon is perfect for this and other things I have been struggling with |
| 06:47.22 | enouf | apt-cache depends lvm2 |
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| 06:47.53 | enouf | shows conflicts and replaces too |
| 06:49.03 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: if in down use -s to simulate |
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| 06:49.09 | enouf | errata ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/lvm2/WHATS_NEW .. but not Debian pkg specific, so keep that in mind |
| 06:49.23 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: that will make it do a dry run instead. Then you can see what it would do first |
| 06:49.31 | enouf | PingFloyd: down as in duck? |
| 06:49.32 | PingFloyd | s/down/doubt |
| 06:49.35 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:50.18 | enouf | I'd goosesmite myself, but that wouldn't be pretty ;-) |
| 06:50.35 | PingFloyd | :) |
| 06:50.48 | peterS | is that like the last half of tarring and feathering? |
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| 06:51.04 | Toyd | PingFloyd, i like that album meddle |
| 06:51.10 | PingFloyd | me too |
| 06:51.10 | Toyd | hey you PingFloyd |
| 06:51.12 | Toyd | :P |
| 06:51.40 | enouf | peterS: #defines is up to others .. i just come up with the mneumonics ;-P |
| 06:52.30 | Toyd | i was thinking of doing something with augmented reality and multi-gestures and touch |
| 06:52.31 | enouf | er .. or is moniker more apropo there? |
| 06:52.41 | Toyd | enouf, is enuff ;p |
| 06:52.55 | enouf | !glamsmite Toyd |
| 06:52.58 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:52.59 | Toyd | :P |
| 06:53.45 | peterS | enouf: don't use ! if you don't mean it. and for that matter, telling a bot to give someone a canned poke or insult isn't nearly as witty as it might have seemed four years ago. I mean, come up with your own retorts or insults (: |
| 06:54.01 | cafuego | !mock enouf |
| 06:54.11 | peterS | why use the indirection? just say what you're going to say, directly, to the person's face |
| 06:54.12 | Toyd | !forget me |
| 06:54.13 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'me' to forget, Toyd |
| 06:54.20 | enouf | what? |
| 06:54.21 | Toyd | <dpkg> i didn't have anything called 'me' to forget, Toyd |
| 06:54.25 | Toyd | LOL |
| 06:54.34 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:54.38 | Toyd | MOIN |
| 06:55.05 | Toyd | !forget dimir |
| 06:55.05 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'dimir' to forget, Toyd |
| 06:55.09 | Toyd | :P |
| 06:55.13 | Toyd | jk dimir |
| 06:55.13 | enouf | peterS: why not !<terminolgy that doesn't exist>? .. does it break the bot? |
| 06:55.14 | Toyd | :) |
| 06:55.34 | peterS | enouf: no but it looks kinda dumb, like you don't know the difference between talking normally and asking the bot to speak on your behalf |
| 06:55.43 | enouf | !goosesmiting myself seems pretty original AFACT |
| 06:55.53 | peterS | it's just as original without the ! |
| 06:56.06 | peterS | and then it's obvious that you're making something up, rather than just mistyping something you thought the bot should already know |
| 06:56.17 | Toyd | hehe |
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| 06:56.18 | enouf | ok then.. but i'd like dpkg to do the honors :-( |
| 06:56.28 | Toyd | dont kick me please :/ |
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| 06:57.18 | Toyd | !wtf |
| 06:57.21 | peterS | besides, enouf, don't you mean 'goose myself'? that would be even better. |
| 06:57.23 | Sebboh | I concur with peterS... I was waiting to see how dpkg would respond to !glasmite toyd .. I wanted to find out what sort of verb that is. |
| 06:57.43 | Toyd | !wtf iirc |
| 06:57.45 | dpkg | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
| 06:57.52 | Toyd | !wtf orly |
| 06:57.53 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what orly means... |
| 06:57.58 | Toyd | lol |
| 06:58.05 | Toyd | !wtf yarrrly |
| 06:58.07 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what yarrrly means... |
| 06:58.09 | enouf | peterS: nay .. goosesmiting !=goosing |
| 06:58.09 | Toyd | hmz |
| 06:58.13 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 06:58.13 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* play with the bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 06:58.21 | Toyd | lol |
| 06:58.26 | Toyd | ok soz |
| 06:58.27 | peterS | enouf: yeah but I'd rather see you goose yourself, frankly |
| 06:58.30 | enouf | peterS: goosesmiting == hit about the head with a goose |
| 06:58.39 | enouf | peterS: are you on your 'don't use M$' to refer to redmond crapola again ;-) |
| 06:58.41 | Sebboh | toyd, man wtf. It's not going to know pop-culture... |
| 06:58.46 | Toyd | !forget about it |
| 06:58.47 | dpkg | Toyd: i didn't have anything called 'about it' to forget |
| 06:58.51 | Toyd | :P |
| 06:58.54 | peterS | Toyd: don't do that, I said |
| 06:59.03 | Toyd | lol that was the last time |
| 06:59.04 | enouf | and XPoop[tm] nomenclature :-p |
| 06:59.09 | peterS | it better be |
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| 06:59.46 | peterS | enouf: I don't know where you got that, I didn't mention either M$ or Microsoft |
| 06:59.49 | Toyd | no worries Super peter |
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| 07:00.16 | roland_ | hi |
| 07:00.20 | enouf | peterS: you don;t recall all the beradings you've doled out concerning the analagous situations? |
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| 07:00.28 | peterS | enouf: yes, but why did you bring it up? |
| 07:00.44 | enouf | peterS: because it's analagous , and just as silly IMO |
| 07:00.57 | roland_ | how do i tell links to show me images on websites? |
| 07:01.09 | enouf | peterS: if i'm not causing harm to the bot .. i could give a shit what anyone else thinks .. thank you |
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| 07:01.11 | peterS | they do look about equally silly, don't they? or more to the point, they make the speaker look about equally silly |
| 07:01.19 | Sebboh | you need like, linksg or something. |
| 07:01.31 | roland_ | isnt it possible to use X under ssh ? |
| 07:01.32 | enouf | peterS: one man's sillyness is another's b0z0 |
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| 07:02.01 | Toyd | roland what do you want to do? |
| 07:02.07 | peterS | enouf: I have no idea what b0z0 is supposed to mean, I assume it's a term of self-deprecation? |
| 07:02.11 | roland_ | use X under ssh |
| 07:02.29 | enouf | peterS: whatever you want it to mean . that's the beauty of self-made words |
| 07:02.31 | Toyd | putty and forward X11 with xming |
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| 07:02.39 | roland_ | huh |
| 07:02.42 | roland_ | xming ? |
| 07:02.47 | roland_ | apt-get install xming? |
| 07:03.04 | peterS | enouf: why use a word if you don't think your listeners will derive the meaning you intend? that seems like a waste of time |
| 07:03.05 | roland_ | !xming |
| 07:03.09 | Toyd | i dont know what you want exactly |
| 07:03.19 | roland_ | wtf |
| 07:03.28 | roland_ | i already said obviously clear |
| 07:03.30 | Sebboh | roland_, you can forward X over ssh. You need an xserver on the other end though. If you're on windows, there are things like cygwin-x and maybe xming.. is that what that is, Toyd? |
| 07:03.32 | roland_ | i want to use X |
| 07:03.40 | Toyd | yes Sebboh |
| 07:03.44 | Toyd | thats what it is |
| 07:03.49 | roland_ | ok then |
| 07:03.53 | roland_ | i'll get cygwin-x |
| 07:03.56 | Sebboh | roland_, it was obviously not clear. Please don't jump Toyd's case, he's trying to help you. |
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| 07:04.09 | roland_ | Sebboth: it was clear what i wanted to do i said it 3 times |
| 07:04.12 | jelly-home | roland_: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:04.22 | enouf | peterS: well .. many things are a "waste of time" .. so be it .. nut i do not alter my behaviour based on others' opinions .. if i did, i'd be an asshole ;-) and smell just like everyone elses' |
| 07:04.24 | Sebboh | roland_, I don't know if I can recommend cygwin-x. ... |
| 07:04.29 | enouf | s/nut/but |
| 07:04.50 | Toyd | roland_, cygwin isnt that easy to use xming is better |
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| 07:04.56 | roland_ | ok xming |
| 07:05.00 | Toyd | suit yourself though |
| 07:05.02 | Toyd | ;) |
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| 07:05.04 | roland_ | xming on windows or on ssh server? |
| 07:05.13 | roland_ | i mean linux |
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| 07:05.27 | Maza|w0rk | whatta hell r u talkin |
| 07:05.29 | peterS | enouf: if you're unwilling to alter your behavior based on other's opinions, _that_ makes you unwilling to attempt to fit into society. we don't have room in a tech support channel for people who are proud of refusing to try to fit in |
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| 07:05.55 | roland_ | <Toyd> roland_, cygwin isnt that easy to use xming is better |
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| 07:06.07 | Toyd | yeah thats my experience roland_ |
| 07:06.09 | peterS | being proud of how unconcerned you are with fitting into society doesn't make you noble, it makes you uncivilised |
| 07:06.10 | roland_ | what is xming |
| 07:06.22 | Sebboh | I don't know either, but if I wanted to know, I'd google it. |
| 07:06.43 | roland_ | x server for windows |
| 07:06.53 | Toyd | Xming is the port of the X Window System to Microsoft Windows. Unlike Cygwin/X it does not depend on the [WWW]Cygwin environment. |
| 07:06.55 | Toyd | yeah |
| 07:07.00 | Sebboh | Ming is an API/layer type thing that helps people port unix applications to windows more easily. |
| 07:07.27 | Sebboh | there are a lot of *ming applications. |
| 07:07.37 | enouf | peterS: leaps and bounds eh? .. nice .. so because i think your opinion sucks ass about a particular subject, I'm not "civilized" .. talk abbout fiction |
| 07:07.39 | peterS | last I heard it was called "MinG", I'm not sure how that's supposed to be pronounced - but the capital G makes it a lot easier to figure out that something is related to it |
| 07:08.04 | peterS | enouf: thinking someone's opinion sucks is not the same as not caring about modifying your behavior when society disapproves of it |
| 07:08.15 | Toyd | http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming |
| 07:08.34 | drwahl | what is the advantage/disadvantage to using the drivers from nvidia? |
| 07:08.35 | enouf | peterS: if i referred tpo "society" as a whole in last comments, then my bad .. i was trying not to get personal |
| 07:09.07 | enouf | and was only making a generalized statement as best i know how |
| 07:09.16 | xand | society-- |
| 07:09.20 | enouf | heh |
| 07:09.25 | peterS | enouf: it's true, you didn't say 'society' originally, you said "others' opinions". but if you don't take others' opinions into consideration, that's basically saying you don't care about the rules and mores of a community |
| 07:09.31 | Sebboh | +m on society =P |
| 07:10.09 | roland_ | if someone is on my linux and uses X already am i able to also use X remotely over ssh (usnig xming) ? |
| 07:10.15 | enouf | peterS: which is entirely not true, but i can see how you can misconstrue my meaning .. can we drop it now? |
| 07:10.18 | Toyd | well only the people with a microphone in the media have a voice that is visiable so you really need +m(edia) |
| 07:10.21 | roland_ | i forward X ? |
| 07:10.25 | peterS | ok |
| 07:10.34 | Toyd | in putty |
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| 07:10.42 | roland_ | hmm lets see |
| 07:10.49 | roland_ | but i do need xming ? |
| 07:11.04 | Toyd | if you want to forward x |
| 07:11.06 | Toyd | yes |
| 07:11.09 | Toyd | or cygwin |
| 07:11.11 | roland_ | k |
| 07:11.36 | peterS | technically no, Xming is not the only X server implementation for Windows. there are commercial implementations you can pay for instead if you want, like Hummingbird eXceed |
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| 07:12.13 | peterS | but you need _something_ that does the job, and Xming is what people seem to be recommending here. not that this is a Windows support channel, mind you, and this _is_ a Windows question. |
| 07:13.25 | GhostlyDeath | wow this is nice |
| 07:13.31 | roland_ | i have xming xserver running in my tray on windows, what do i do on debian side now to forward x ? |
| 07:13.40 | GhostlyDeath | I don't need to use the console one bit to work on my sf project |
| 07:13.45 | Toyd | ssh server running |
| 07:13.52 | roland_ | yes ssh server is running |
| 07:13.55 | Toyd | roland read this: http://gwutama.de/2007/01/03/running-linux-applications-under-windows-with-xming.html |
| 07:13.56 | Guerin | roland_: msg dpkg sshx |
| 07:13.57 | roland_ | im logged now in BitchX over ssh |
| 07:14.01 | peterS | roland_: you don't need to do anything on the debian side. on the windows side, when you ssh to your debian machine, tell your ssh program to forward X. |
| 07:14.05 | GhostlyDeath | and no emacs, vim or nano too! |
| 07:14.11 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:14.13 | roland_ | thanks |
| 07:14.32 | roland_ | and when i startx it will work |
| 07:14.33 | roland_ | hopefully |
| 07:14.45 | roland_ | brb |
| 07:14.49 | Toyd | ok |
| 07:14.51 | peterS | roland_: no, startx is only used to start an X session locally on your Debian box |
| 07:15.04 | roland_ | ok so how do i start my x session over ssh |
| 07:15.05 | peterS | roland_: you've already got an X server running, it's on your Windows box, so you don't need startx |
| 07:15.16 | roland_ | yeah but i need to use xfce |
| 07:15.24 | Toyd | have xming running and putty installed? |
| 07:15.27 | peterS | so run xfce, inside your ssh window |
| 07:15.27 | roland_ | yes |
| 07:15.30 | roland_ | aha |
| 07:15.31 | roland_ | k |
| 07:15.33 | roland_ | brb testing |
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| 07:17.59 | roland | k i have no option in putty named anything like 'forward X server' |
| 07:18.04 | roland | or anything related to X |
| 07:18.14 | Toyd | did you read that link |
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| 07:18.20 | roland | wich link |
| 07:18.21 | Toyd | which i posted |
| 07:18.26 | roland | no i quited |
| 07:18.41 | roland | give again pls |
| 07:19.12 | Toyd | In putty go to SSH -> X11 in the menu on the left, and check the “Enable X11 Forwarding” box, go back to the “Session” tab, and press save. |
| 07:19.38 | roland | X display location? |
| 07:19.44 | roland | whaat type ther |
| 07:19.49 | roland | 0:0 ? |
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| 07:20.58 | Toyd | leave it empty |
| 07:21.01 | peterS | roland: type :0 there |
| 07:21.14 | peterS | :0 represents your local X server running on Windows |
| 07:21.20 | roland | ok i understand |
| 07:21.40 | Toyd | hmz mine is empty works fine |
| 07:21.44 | what_if | anyone familiar with debian installer seeding ? I want to auto run a few commands on first boot |
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| 07:22.07 | peterS | Toyd: it must default to :0 then |
| 07:22.21 | Toyd | i guess |
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| 07:24.37 | nvz | what_if: first boot? like stage one as the cd boots or stage two as the hd boots? |
| 07:24.41 | peterS | I mean, peterS davon muĂź - I always get that one wrong |
| 07:24.56 | what_if | nvz: no, on the first time booting after installing |
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| 07:25.42 | nvz | what_if: you could just put some commands in /target/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh or something then remove them or run a script from there |
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| 07:26.06 | roland | i managed to get xfce running on my windows display, but things are sooooo slow i cant do anything , whatever i click doesnt happen |
| 07:26.48 | enouf | what_if: you may also be able to boot to cd directly (rather than removing it) upon your first "reboot" , then use ash, or whatever to load modules, install apps, whatever |
| 07:26.49 | peterS | roland: two things I'd do: (1) enable ssh compression in putty; (2) rearrange the encryption protocols to put arcfour at the top, as it's the fastest one that's considered secure |
| 07:26.57 | peterS | roland: (both of those require restarting putty) |
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| 07:27.01 | what_if | nvz, hmmm I was hoping that there was a di- directive |
| 07:27.32 | nvz | what_if: I don't see whats wrong with doing that from the di virtual console |
| 07:28.01 | what_if | nvz: the part that used to run programs on first boot has been removed :( |
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| 07:28.31 | nvz | what_if: I never knew there was such a thing and I've been using debian for like 7 years |
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| 07:28.58 | what_if | nvz: I'm searching for the pkg name now |
| 07:29.54 | what_if | nvz: hmmm I suppose I could do it from d-i preseed/late_command |
| 07:30.01 | nvz | what_if: ah .. well I figured if there were such a functionality it would be a seperate package as DI does nothing after the hd boots.. and something would have to remove the commands after first boot |
| 07:30.29 | nvz | enouf: how the hell do you think all these debian based live distros came to be :P |
| 07:30.40 | enouf | nvz: heh ;-P |
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| 07:31.57 | enouf | nvz: wait, those usually use cloop/unionfs, and such, and als why then, has it taken so ling for live.debian,net to be completed(?), fulfilled(?) |
| 07:31.57 | metbsd | how do i restart services |
| 07:32.06 | enouf | s/als/also |
| 07:32.08 | what_if | nvz: I'll just do it from d-i preseed/late_command ... then the user can manually run a script :) |
| 07:32.28 | nvz | enouf: i know nothing of live.d.o |
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| 07:32.34 | enouf | metbsd: /etc/init.d/<servicename> restart usually |
| 07:33.05 | enouf | metbsd: a telinit 1 then init 2 will drop you to runlevel1 then up to 2 so those all get restarted |
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| 07:33.17 | doudou1 | Hello, i came here to speak about logrotate. I think stew explained me that logrotate hang log processes, create new log and save previous, then launch again log processes. Something is hurting me, how can logrotate now the log processes runing as any program can use loging facilities |
| 07:33.17 | roland | its still slow as hell |
| 07:33.21 | roland | i cant do a thing |
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| 07:33.55 | enouf | metbsd: /etc/init.d/networking restart <-- as an example |
| 07:34.16 | enouf | roland: ? what is? |
| 07:34.28 | roland | xming / x11 forwarding over ssh |
| 07:34.30 | doudou1 | I proposed that logrotate copy log file, then truc log file from the beginin of length of the copy, and save the copy |
| 07:34.36 | metbsd | so how do i check if there's ftp server |
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| 07:34.56 | nvz | doudou1: logrotate is just run as a cronjob and rotates, compresses and emails logs |
| 07:35.01 | enouf | metbsd: what do you mean "check if" ? |
| 07:35.02 | doudou1 | but i do not find and trucate fuction that trucate file from begining |
| 07:35.07 | nvz | doudou1: it provides no logging facilities at all |
| 07:35.42 | metbsd | i want to check if there's ftp server running |
| 07:35.48 | doudou1 | no logs files provide logging facilities, logrotate only save the log files |
| 07:35.52 | enouf | metbsd: well ps aux |
| 07:36.12 | doudou1 | problem is how rotate and save files without loosing data |
| 07:36.16 | enouf | metbsd: also ls -al /var/run/* might help |
| 07:36.16 | Toyd | Did you try what peterS suggested roland? |
| 07:36.33 | roland | Toyd yes |
| 07:36.41 | tarzeau | does someone use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL := 2 in kernel-pkg.conf for make-kpkg (kernel-package)? |
| 07:36.43 | roland | its slow as a turtle without legs |
| 07:36.47 | metbsd | so what's an easy to setup ftp server in debian |
| 07:36.49 | tarzeau | it doesn't seem to work here... |
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| 07:37.10 | enouf | doudou1: do you have an anacron issue maybe? from frequent reboots into various OSes? |
| 07:37.19 | iwkse | hi all, for anybody using ATI and sid: http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33889029 |
| 07:37.19 | nvz | doudou1: it already does that it doesnt lose data.. essentially it takes foo.log and moves it to foo.1.log(.gz) and/or emails the log then the logging facility for foo creates a new one when it writes next |
| 07:37.34 | doudou1 | i have a question near this problem too, when a process lock a file, and another writes in it, its data is bufferized? |
| 07:37.47 | Toyd | hmz maybe you should try a different server for X then there are commercial implementations you can pay for instead if you want, like Hummingbird eXceed |
| 07:37.48 | doudou1 | enouf, no trying to undurstand only |
| 07:37.57 | roland | Toyd no way |
| 07:38.00 | roland | thanks for help |
| 07:38.00 | Toyd | Lol |
| 07:38.01 | nvz | doudou1: when a file is locked you can't write to it, its locked |
| 07:38.05 | Toyd | cygwin |
| 07:38.11 | Toyd | ok |
| 07:38.20 | roland | i'll just wait until i get home from work to use my debian box |
| 07:38.22 | roland | its better |
| 07:38.27 | Toyd | sorry i couldnt help you better :) |
| 07:38.32 | Toyd | ok lol |
| 07:38.33 | tarzeau | oh it works with := 3 ... |
| 07:38.39 | roland | you did good enough to help me |
| 07:38.42 | roland | but |
| 07:38.44 | doudou1 | nvz, while it move file, others process are trying to write into it, so what happen |
| 07:38.45 | roland | xming is useless |
| 07:38.48 | Toyd | ok |
| 07:38.58 | enouf | doudou1: i'm not sure what your issue is .. apologies |
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| 07:39.08 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 07:39.19 | Toyd | i use it on a lan works fast enough for my needs |
| 07:39.21 | ma3x | how can I install the game wolfenstein? is it in the non-free? |
| 07:39.45 | ma3x | or I have to have the CD? |
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| 07:39.45 | enouf | doudou1: I think i've heard of a newer logrotate-ng ? haven't looked into what it does or anythign |
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| 07:40.05 | doudou1 | nvz, logrotate could have lock log file, save it and then unlock it ... but what happen when it is locked ... processes still send logs into it |
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| 07:40.37 | doudou1 | enouf, i do not understand how ancient works !!! so newer one ... |
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| 07:40.41 | Thumann | hi, any one know a apt source that still has http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/openmosix.html available? |
| 07:40.49 | Thumann | since link given above is dead |
| 07:41.27 | jordanb | Is there a way to get ahold of old packages that aren't in one of the distros? |
| 07:41.36 | jordanb | Like if I want to downgrade xorg to 6.x? |
| 07:41.45 | roland | what 3d games can run without x using svgalib? |
| 07:42.03 | nvz | doudou1: it doensnt need to lock the file or save it.. the logs are already saved its just simply moving it out of the way so a new log file can be created and logging can continue then it either emails the old one to you or compresses it and gives it a number like foo.1.log |
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| 07:42.08 | ma3x | arning: many lost ticks. |
| 07:42.10 | ma3x | Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts |
| 07:42.12 | ma3x | rip acpi_processor_idle+0x1d4/0x465 [processor] |
| 07:42.14 | ma3x | my keyboard stops working |
| 07:42.31 | ma3x | what do you suggest? |
| 07:43.12 | doudou1 | if a process1 lock a file, and process 2 writes in it, is data bufferized, and to what size, what happen if there is more data coming? |
| 07:43.35 | ma3x | doudou1, you talking to me? |
| 07:43.49 | doudou1 | nvz, when you move a file that some another process uses ... some data can be lost |
| 07:43.49 | nvz | doudou1: do yourself and everyone else a favor and read man 8 logrotate |
| 07:43.59 | doudou1 | ma3x, no sorry |
| 07:44.25 | doudou1 | nvz, maybe you can reread it again too |
| 07:44.29 | nvz | doudou1: no, it cant when something is logging to foo.log and you move it to foo.1.log it just continues writing to foo.log which is now a new file |
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| 07:45.02 | nvz | doudou1: if you really wanna know how it works run it with strace and read the damn kernel signals in calls you will know what if any locking methods it uses |
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| 07:45.30 | nvz | doudou1: i read it when you first answered the question |
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| 07:45.34 | doudou1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.37 | nvz | s/answered/asked/ |
| 07:45.40 | enouf | doudou1: looking at how /etc/syslog.conf too may help carify some things for you |
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| 07:46.06 | enouf | doudou1: timestamps? |
| 07:46.35 | enouf | er /carify/clarify |
| 07:46.38 | roland | what does the brk() function in kernel do |
| 07:46.40 | roland | ? |
| 07:46.51 | nvz | doudou1: man 8 logrotate /copytruncate |
| 07:46.54 | what_if | probably brk()'s |
| 07:47.04 | roland | brks |
| 07:47.10 | roland | what are they for |
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| 07:47.36 | doudou1 | nvz, nan logrotate is big and cotain no explaination of technology used |
| 07:47.39 | \amethyst | roland: man 2 brk |
| 07:47.43 | dlab | changes data segment size? |
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| 07:47.48 | dlab | for memory allocation |
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| 07:48.03 | dlab | malloc() uses it for small allocs, no? |
| 07:48.11 | doudou1 | nvz, i read that already, it does not explain how it does the task |
| 07:48.12 | dlab | and mmap() for larger? |
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| 07:48.35 | enouf | metbsd: maybe man tasksel (that will show/install various types of server setup needs) |
| 07:48.36 | doudou1 | nvz, it explain how to use it, not how it works |
| 07:49.01 | nvz | doudou1: if you want to know what exactly it does write a config script and run strace logrotate... from the command line and you will see exactly how it works |
| 07:49.05 | doudou1 | enouf, syslog.conf is configuration of log deamons |
| 07:49.09 | enouf | metbsd: in case you haven;'t found it already .. or for more lightweight, single apps only apt-cach search ftp |
| 07:49.20 | nvz | doudou1: strace catches all calls to the kernel from the logrotate program |
| 07:49.20 | dlab | sys_brk() in mm/mmap.c ? |
| 07:49.30 | enouf | metbsd: er apt-cache search ftp and maybe even | grep server |
| 07:49.35 | PingFloyd | doudou1: if you really want to know exactly, look at the source |
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| 07:50.12 | nvz | doudou1: then you can play with config options and see what they do |
| 07:50.18 | psyche_ | YES! YES! YES! |
| 07:50.20 | enouf | doudou1: i know what it is .. but thought it may help to understand how the log works .. so be it |
| 07:50.27 | nvz | could even create strace logs to closely examine |
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| 07:50.35 | chewy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.36 | psyche_ | i have Debian workstation now at work :) |
| 07:50.39 | doudou1 | PingFloyd, i read the source, it is a big file too with no explanations |
| 07:50.43 | psyche_ | im happy now... |
| 07:50.43 | chewy | samba |
| 07:50.55 | what_if | psyche_: how'd you talk the boss into that ? |
| 07:51.08 | enouf | there's also ltrace and -etrace=<type> to pluck out certain events |
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| 07:51.19 | psyche_ | there wasnt free computers before... |
| 07:51.39 | psyche_ | i had companys computer first and i was unable to install own os there |
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| 07:51.45 | psyche_ | but now i have free hardware |
| 07:51.46 | psyche_ | :) |
| 07:51.54 | what_if | psyche_: ahhh, I'm forced to use XPand2K |
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| 07:52.14 | psyche_ | me too... but now i can use Debian :) |
| 07:52.20 | psyche_ | or whatever os what i want |
| 07:52.35 | what_if | psyche_: what do you do for a living ? |
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| 07:52.39 | sobersabre | hi. how do I automatically set txqueuelen parameter for ifconfig ? |
| 07:52.46 | doudou1 | i know syslog and klogd are simple process mostly reading and writing what /proc says |
| 07:53.18 | enouf | doudou1: you could also install linux-doc-KERNVERSION and review/grep all those files, i do it regularly |
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| 07:53.29 | enouf | doudou1: it's on the web too |
| 07:53.34 | doudou1 | but my question is simply about files, writing deleting them |
| 07:53.40 | psyche_ | what_if computer support person, dunno what it is in english |
| 07:54.05 | sobersabre | psyche_ it's called tech support |
| 07:54.09 | doudou1 | what is channel for linux kernel? |
| 07:54.20 | sobersabre | #kernel |
| 07:54.25 | doudou1 | enouf, i search a lot what there are so many answers |
| 07:54.31 | psyche_ | i help university students with computers, im monitoring universitys lan, etc... |
| 07:54.37 | enouf | doudou1: ##kernel here and #kernelnewbies on oftc.net |
| 07:54.39 | nvz | doudou1: your question could be simply answered by setting up a config file with the log rotate options you are looking for and running strace on logrotate and observing the calls related to writing and deleting |
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| 07:54.48 | what_if | psyche_: finland, eh ? |
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| 07:54.52 | psyche_ | yes |
| 07:55.04 | enouf | doudou1: grep -ir logrotate /path/to/kerndocs |
| 07:55.13 | doudou1 | nvz, nice direction, ok |
| 07:55.16 | doudou1 | thanks |
| 07:55.19 | what_if | psyche_: I am currently a sysadmin for the military |
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| 07:56.25 | enouf | doudou1: heh ,.. turns out ain;t much there ( kerndocs) for logrotate |
| 07:56.27 | sobersabre | guys, please tell me which man/doc shall I read to understand how to set txqueuelen to a given nic. I've read man interfaces, but not found any reference... |
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| 07:56.43 | psyche_ | well im a student also... i was able to choose, that do i go working or do i choose some stupid courses |
| 07:57.02 | what_if | sobersabre: man ifconfig |
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| 07:57.33 | enouf | sobersabre: now you may benefit from kernel docs, look in Documentation/networking/bonding.txt |
| 07:57.42 | what_if | I am currently saving money for college, and have taken only a few courses |
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| 07:58.14 | sobersabre | guys, please refer to my question, especially the original one... |
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| 07:58.46 | sobersabre | I mean, if I ask how do I set txqueuelen automatically... I must somehow know how to do it NOT automatically. |
| 07:58.51 | what_if | sobersabre: ifconfig txqueuelen <length> <interface> .. :) |
| 07:59.07 | sobersabre | what_if many thanks. |
| 07:59.20 | what_if | sobersabre: put that line in rc.local |
| 07:59.54 | psyche_ | oh... its loading... im so happy |
| 07:59.58 | enouf | sobersabre: other files /networking/slicecom.txt which is where that example just came from |
| 08:00.18 | nvz | sobersabre: interfaces has a pre-up, post-up..etc command options |
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| 08:00.49 | maddash | oh shit, my thinkpad is burning |
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| 08:01.04 | enouf | never saw an original one |
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| 08:01.25 | what_if | sobersabre: or if it _must_ be in interfaces put the line 'up txqueuelen <length> <interface>' in there |
| 08:01.40 | doudou1 | excuses me again, my question is : when you use in a c programe fwrite function, it depends of Gnu libc code? |
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| 08:01.49 | enouf | plus i answer at my own pace .. don't like it? .. lump it |
| 08:01.49 | metbsd | when i try to apt-get install something, it says couldn't find package |
| 08:01.58 | what_if | doudou1: yes |
| 08:02.10 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i recently did an apt-get distrib upgrade, and now my email is non functional after checking logs i found the following error = localhost courierpop3login: authdaemon: s_connect() failed: Connection refused |
| 08:02.23 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update |
| 08:02.26 | jetscreamer | metbsd: |
| 08:02.30 | enouf | metbsd: more info |
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| 08:03.10 | jetscreamer | see, now k1ckn1ck knows how to give out the info |
| 08:03.13 | sobersabre | what_if,nvz this sounds like a solution |
| 08:03.32 | metbsd | i've done apt-get update stable/updates/main |
| 08:03.32 | k1ckn1ck | sorry have i done somethign wrong? |
| 08:03.37 | metbsd | there's not clamav |
| 08:03.44 | enouf | ewww |
| 08:03.53 | jetscreamer | no k1ckn1ck something right |
| 08:03.53 | drwahl | how do i install fonts? |
| 08:04.00 | enouf | isn't that in vloatile or someshit |
| 08:04.01 | k1ckn1ck | for once finally :D |
| 08:04.01 | PingFloyd | metbsd: try a different repo |
| 08:04.09 | jetscreamer | metbsd: that would be in non-free or contrib iirc |
| 08:04.15 | doudou1 | what_if, have they a channel? |
| 08:04.18 | jetscreamer | not positive |
| 08:04.20 | metbsd | so what should i do |
| 08:04.28 | psyche_ | way good ftp client for linux? |
| 08:04.30 | bintut | anyone here familiar of using a usb-->serial cable from a debian etch to access another debian etch box? |
| 08:04.30 | psyche_ | *say |
| 08:04.34 | jetscreamer | !find clamav |
| 08:04.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'clamav' (6 of 30): (/usr/bin/kmail_clamav.sh) in mail/kmail ;; (/etc/cron.daily/clamav-data) in utils/clamav-data ;; (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/clamav) in utils/clamav ;; (/etc/tenshi/includes-available/clamav) in admin/tenshi ;; (/usr/share/qpsmtpd/plugins/virus/clamav) in mail/qpsmtpd ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/clamav.rules) in admin/prelude-lml. |
| 08:04.57 | drwahl | can some one advise me as to how to install fonts? |
| 08:04.57 | jordanb | Is 2.6.20 not in debian? I thought it was in unstable at least. |
| 08:05.01 | bintut | usbserial module is already loaded from my desktop but still, i can't find the /dev/ttyUSB0 device.. :( |
| 08:05.18 | jetscreamer | jordanb: it's borked and is/was in sid |
| 08:05.21 | bintut | anyone can help me here with usb-->serial cable problem? |
| 08:05.25 | doudou1 | what_if, i read that file writes are bufferized, this depends of kernel? |
| 08:05.29 | jordanb | :< |
| 08:05.38 | metbsd | can't install it |
| 08:05.40 | jordanb | 2.6.18 appears to be borked for sparc. |
| 08:05.41 | metbsd | weird shit |
| 08:05.50 | metbsd | how do i update to sarge |
| 08:05.55 | metbsd | !sarge |
| 08:05.55 | dpkg | i heard sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. |
| 08:06.07 | jetscreamer | clamav is in main |
| 08:06.10 | what_if | doudou1: try #C and I don't know |
| 08:06.15 | metbsd | !upgrade |
| 08:06.16 | dpkg | from memory, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 08:06.19 | jetscreamer | !info clamav etch |
| 08:06.23 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.90.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 835 kB, Installed size: 1256 kB |
| 08:06.25 | what_if | bintut: do a dmesg |
| 08:06.30 | jetscreamer | metbsd: sarge is now oldstable |
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| 08:06.34 | doudou1 | what_if, thanks a lot |
| 08:06.37 | enouf | jordanb: leemee see .. moment |
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| 08:06.43 | jetscreamer | !info clamav sarge |
| 08:06.46 | maddash | do people actually use clamav? |
| 08:06.49 | metbsd | i don't care, company use sarge |
| 08:06.50 | dpkg | clamav: (antivirus scanner for Unix), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.84-2.sarge.15 (sarge), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 08:07.02 | metbsd | company use clamav, exim4, mysql |
| 08:07.06 | metbsd | i don't give a fck |
| 08:07.15 | jetscreamer | fsck |
| 08:07.16 | metbsd | i just want to get them to work so i can go home |
| 08:07.27 | jetscreamer | frak |
| 08:07.30 | maddash | Unix antivirus <--- that's an oxymoron, I think |
| 08:07.32 | enouf | jordanb: linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 - Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 08:07.49 | jetscreamer | can scan vfat/network fs |
| 08:08.02 | enouf | jordanb: is one of what $ apt-cache search linux-image-* | grep 20 returns |
| 08:08.03 | what_if | maddash: unix fileserver for windows machines ?? yeah... :) |
| 08:08.07 | jetscreamer | could scan but not clean ntfs |
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| 08:08.14 | jetscreamer | well i 'guess' it 'could' but eww |
| 08:08.15 | metbsd | so how to upgrade this to sarge? |
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| 08:08.40 | jetscreamer | metbsd: sarge is now old |
| 08:08.42 | enouf | jordanb: run apt-get update .. or your sources.list is off, or the repos listed within re not synced yet, or you shouldn't be running sid |
| 08:08.43 | jetscreamer | etch is stable |
| 08:08.59 | bintut | what_if: i don't have any useful output |
| 08:09.05 | jetscreamer | metbsd: check your /etc/apt/sources.list and paste em |
| 08:09.17 | jetscreamer | !tell metbsd -about paste |
| 08:09.23 | enouf | ew.. sparc? .. ouch |
| 08:09.36 | jordanb | Yeah, an Ultra 5. |
| 08:09.45 | jetscreamer | and/or i mean |
| 08:09.46 | metbsd | so how to upgrade to sarge |
| 08:09.47 | bintut | i'll try to reboott |
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| 08:10.00 | jetscreamer | metbsd: what are you running, woody? |
| 08:10.02 | enouf | not showing in my list of ARChs abailable for .20 |
| 08:10.11 | metbsd | jetscreamer how do i check? |
| 08:10.24 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:10.27 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 08:10.33 | jetscreamer | !version |
| 08:10.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 08:10.49 | jordanb | I'm getting PCI io errors on trying to load video cards and think it has to do with a misalignment in the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 08:11.18 | k1ckn1ck | having a problem after doing, apt-get distrib upgrade, gettin error have done getting error libauthmysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in logs |
| 08:11.19 | jelly-home | jordanb: you can always build one yourself :-| |
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| 08:11.36 | enouf | jordanb: sparc kernel must be having some issues in .20 .. hang in there .. see lists.debian.org/debian-kernel for info |
| 08:11.46 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade |
| 08:11.58 | jordanb | I think I need to downgrade actually, because 2.6 broke the keyboard and nobody seems to care too much. |
| 08:12.03 | metbsd | 3.1 is the version |
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| 08:12.16 | enouf | jordanb: is that a 105 keyboard? |
| 08:12.24 | jelly-home | jordanb: type 5 keyboard works fine for me |
| 08:12.26 | jordanb | It's a sun type6. |
| 08:12.26 | jetscreamer | that is sarge metbsd, oldstable.. so you want to go to stable etch? |
| 08:12.44 | jordanb | It only works if I tell x.org that it's a pc 104 and lose all of the sun functionality. |
| 08:13.01 | enouf | jordanb: bug reports |
| 08:13.02 | jordanb | Appearently it has to do with that kernel keyboard thing they put into 2.6. |
| 08:13.26 | jordanb | enouf, I'll have to reopen a bug, it was closed with the 'fix' being switching to pc/104. :/ |
| 08:13.30 | jetscreamer | did you explictly load the sun kb module, or try blacklisting the others? |
| 08:13.44 | jordanb | I'll see if I can find it again. |
| 08:14.22 | enouf | jordanb: you should ,.. that's not really acceptable from what you are saying |
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| 08:15.00 | enouf | jordanb: make sure there's no pebkac involved as jetscreamer eludes to ;-) |
| 08:15.46 | jordanb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368214 |
| 08:15.49 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_KEYBOARD_SUNKB |
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| 08:16.04 | baggend | Hmm... this is embarassing but... How can I do arithmetic comparison on a program's exit status in bash? |
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| 08:16.12 | enouf | jelly-home: two different types i presume, type 5 (yours), and type 6 (theirs) |
| 08:16.25 | jelly-home | enouf: nss! |
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| 08:16.54 | jordanb | "Since version 1:7.0.23 of xserver-xorg, the configuration script selects the "xorg" rules for sparc instead of the old "sun" rules. This should fix your bug. |
| 08:17.01 | jetscreamer | enouf: or udev stupidity |
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| 08:17.11 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing of sun |
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| 08:17.29 | bintut | what_if: can you check this one? ==> http://paste.debian.net/26278 |
| 08:17.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: heh wouldn't be the first time ... and i know nothing of sun either |
| 08:17.39 | jordanb | type 5 and type 6 are close enough that I'd be fine using tyep 5 rules. |
| 08:17.40 | jelly-home | enouf: I think they're mostly the same thing logically, but the physical keyboard is a bit different |
| 08:17.53 | jordanb | But using pc104 rules, none of the sun keys work at all. |
| 08:17.59 | bintut | what_if: this is about my problem on how to make us of my usb-->serial cable to connect to another debian etch box |
| 08:18.08 | jordanb | the entire bank of keys on the left side have no keycodes |
| 08:18.14 | jordanb | The compose key is mapped to menu |
| 08:18.15 | jordanb | etc. |
| 08:18.40 | bintut | anyone here familiar with usb-->serial cable on debian etch? |
| 08:18.51 | jetscreamer | !repeat |
| 08:18.51 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:19.19 | bintut | i want to access my debian box from my debian etch desktop using a usb-->serial cable.. my desktop has the following information at http://paste.debian.net/26278 |
| 08:19.26 | what_if | bintut: I assume you have hotplug running ? |
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| 08:19.31 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:19.48 | bintut | what_if: i don't have hotplug here.. |
| 08:20.06 | perlmonkey | help! I have no toolbar/way to start apps in X on both my workstation and laptop :-( It's weird, dunno what has caused it. I was messing with openvpn/firewall yesterday, could that be related? |
| 08:20.10 | enouf | udev does hotplug |
| 08:20.32 | jetscreamer | but there are a couple hotplugs or something |
| 08:20.37 | jelly-home | enouf: who does dallas? |
| 08:20.46 | jetscreamer | debbie's mom |
| 08:20.47 | what_if | bintut: how about udev ? |
| 08:20.48 | enouf | jelly-home: debbie? |
| 08:20.53 | bintut | what_if: it's running |
| 08:21.04 | drwahl | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_StarCraft_with_wine says: Note that you will require loopback support in your kernel. Find it in Device drivers -> Block devices -> Loopback support. is that something that is built in? |
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| 08:21.20 | jetscreamer | yes drwahl in stock kernels |
| 08:21.27 | jetscreamer | it will be autoloaded |
| 08:21.29 | jetscreamer | just mount it |
| 08:21.32 | drwahl | ok |
| 08:21.46 | what_if | bintut: I don't know, your system never stated that it will be available at ttyUSB*... I'm not shure how to troubleshoot that. Has it ever worked ? |
| 08:22.06 | drwahl | either wine isnt seeing it, starcraft isnt picking up on it, or i mounted it wrong, because starcraft keeps complaining about "no cd" |
| 08:22.29 | endra | how do I configure command line execution for services in init.d? |
| 08:22.55 | jetscreamer | that doesn't make it pretend it's a cdrom |
| 08:23.01 | metbsd | so how do i upgrade kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 08:23.05 | enouf | endra: what? start with /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 08:23.29 | endra | enouf: isn't there another conf file where I can set the variables and whatnot? Like /etc/conf.d/skeleton |
| 08:23.38 | drwahl | well, it should mount the .iso that i have, and i have pointed .wine/dosdevice/e: to /mnt/iso (where i mounted it) |
| 08:23.38 | jetscreamer | metbsd: you need to check your sources and figure out what version you want to stick with |
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| 08:23.51 | enouf | drwahl: modprobe loop |
| 08:23.58 | jetscreamer | metbsd: before you go installing anything |
| 08:24.00 | enouf | drwahl: man losetup |
| 08:24.22 | bintut | what_if: nope.. i'm trying to make it work.. i've been searching at google but it always tells me that i should use /dev/ttyUSB0 which i don't have that device file |
| 08:24.29 | jetscreamer | enouf: you don't have to modprobe it, it just works |
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| 08:24.40 | perlmonke1 | hi |
| 08:24.43 | enouf | !sarge kernel upgrade |
| 08:24.49 | perlmonke1 | how do I start the toolbar in X? |
| 08:24.55 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 08:24.55 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. |
| 08:25.02 | jelly-home | drwahl: have you run winecfg and set up your mount point as type cd-rom? |
| 08:25.05 | jetscreamer | bintut: udev put it in /dev/something/ probably |
| 08:25.15 | jetscreamer | instead of just /dev |
| 08:25.16 | enouf | jetscreamer: i did ;-) |
| 08:25.19 | what_if | bintut: that certian device / chip may not work well with linux... I had to shop aroun for mine |
| 08:25.24 | jetscreamer | check the udev rules |
| 08:25.28 | what_if | *aroun |
| 08:25.52 | what_if | perlmonke1: toolbar, which WM ? |
| 08:25.53 | enouf | jetscreamer: but on earlier kernel i suppose maybe .. |
| 08:25.53 | drwahl | jelly-home: i tried doing that both via winecfg and manually (symlink .wine/dosdevice/d: |
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| 08:26.10 | perlmonke1 | help! my toolbar has disappeared in both Gnome on my workstation, and XFCE on my laptop! I have no way to start apps, and when I minimise windows they just disappear |
| 08:26.17 | jetscreamer | enouf: 'just works' here all i know |
| 08:26.19 | jelly-home | drwahl: does it show at all in Drives tab? |
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| 08:26.21 | perlmonke1 | it's very weird :-/ |
| 08:26.43 | perlmonke1 | maybe toolbar isnt the right word? |
| 08:26.57 | what_if | perlmonke1: taskbar |
| 08:26.58 | jetscreamer | taskbar maybe, toolbar good |
| 08:27.01 | perlmonke1 | thats it |
| 08:27.04 | drwahl | jelly-home: drive c: ../drive_c d: /mnt/iso e: /mnt/iso and a buncha others |
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| 08:27.19 | jetscreamer | d & e ? |
| 08:27.33 | perlmonke1 | any idea what could cause that to disappear suddenly? I just booted up today and on both systems its gone |
| 08:27.36 | jelly-home | drwahl: I reckon /mnt/iso is the mount point for the iso image? |
| 08:27.36 | drwahl | jelly-home: i have mounted o loop /mnt/data//BroodWar.ISO /mnt/iso |
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| 08:27.56 | giorgian | /leave |
| 08:27.57 | giorgian | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.02 | giorgian | /leave |
| 08:28.02 | giorgian | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.06 | jetscreamer | part |
| 08:28.06 | giorgian | uhm... |
| 08:28.11 | enouf | bintut: mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 |
| 08:28.13 | drwahl | you are stuck here forever |
| 08:28.13 | jetscreamer | /part |
| 08:28.17 | jelly-home | drwahl: right. I'd try forcing the type to cd-rom for d: (click Show Advanced) |
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| 08:28.30 | enouf | bintut: mknod /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1 |
| 08:28.40 | jelly-home | drwahl: also you seem to have both d: and e: pointing to /mnt/iso, remove one. |
| 08:29.13 | jelly-home | drwahl: I'm not sure that'll work though. |
| 08:29.34 | enouf | alcohol120 |
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| 08:30.08 | perlmonke1 | help! my taskbar has disappeared in both Gnome on my workstation, and XFCE on my laptop! I have no way to start apps, and when I minimise windows they just disappear |
| 08:30.16 | enouf | i mean heck, if you;re going to use wine.. might as well grab/use all those nifty DRM circumventing tools too |
| 08:30.27 | drwahl | jelly-home: omg... you are my hero, thank you... i have been asking all day an just gettin smarrass responses :) |
| 08:30.36 | jetscreamer | whoa! /dev/disk has all the uuid label id information you could need for fstab and grub goodness |
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| 08:31.08 | enouf | perlmonke1: eww .. sounds eeriely like old 9x/XPoop issues .. |
| 08:31.13 | JosefAssad | jetscreamer: sweet, never noticed that |
| 08:31.22 | perlmonke1 | enouf: what could cause that? |
| 08:31.51 | enouf | jetscreamer: see blkid too ;-) |
| 08:31.51 | Toyd | !wtf irssi |
| 08:31.51 | dpkg | irssi: irssi (1) - a modular IRC client for UNIX |
| 08:31.51 | enouf | perlmonke1: no clue .. corrupt config files |
| 08:31.59 | perlmonke1 | :-/ |
| 08:32.03 | jelly-home | drwahl: it would be nice if people only answered about the topics they had first-hand experience with, but sadly that's not always the case |
| 08:32.12 | perlmonke1 | enouf: it's strange how its happened on two separate systems at same time eh |
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| 08:32.38 | enouf | perlmonke1: go into File > Preferences > wherever in gmome |
| 08:33.03 | perlmonke1 | enouf: i can't access that, all i have is the desktop background :( |
| 08:33.05 | enouf | perlmonke1: fire up gnome-control-center |
| 08:33.09 | drwahl | jelly-home: well, and simply saying "i dont know" or just not responding would be more helpful than just making smartass remarks |
| 08:33.25 | drwahl | jelly-home: anyway, thank you. your cookie is in the mail |
| 08:33.43 | jetscreamer | drwahl: how dare you dis a tribal elder |
| 08:34.02 | enouf | perlmonke1: you can access anything from the CLI .. tjhough the exact commands are not wellknown, like for kde, it'd be kdeinit kcmshell <something> many times |
| 08:34.02 | jetscreamer | leper outcast unclean! |
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| 08:35.16 | perlmonke1 | i can't even open a shell in Gnome :( |
| 08:35.17 | petemc | alt-f2 , gnome-terminal |
| 08:35.17 | perlmonke1 | thanks pete |
| 08:35.17 | jetscreamer | perlmonke1: if you do ctrl+alt+2 (not F2) does it take you to another desktop, maybe with a toolbar? |
| 08:35.17 | JosefAssad | perlmonke1: if you slide the mouse against the screen edges and try to pushe the edge, does the screen slide around to reveal the missing panels? |
| 08:35.17 | drwahl | jetscreamer: who did i dis? i dont even remember the screen name of who i was talking to earlier... |
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| 08:35.30 | jetscreamer | wow that's a lot of thc |
| 08:35.39 | enouf | JosefAssad: ahh good old auto-hide functionality .. : |
| 08:35.47 | JosefAssad | enouf: that too |
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| 08:35.53 | perlmonke1 | none of those worked :-/ but i managed to get out of X to shell login, with CTRL + ALT + F2 |
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| 08:36.38 | jetscreamer | delete all the .gconf and .gnome in ~ |
| 08:36.39 | JosefAssad | perlmonke1: this problem is with xfce and gnome only? Or KDE also? |
| 08:36.42 | jetscreamer | or mv |
| 08:37.03 | jetscreamer | better thought |
| 08:37.09 | JosefAssad | jetscreamer: yeah, frankly that is what I would be doing too |
| 08:37.30 | perlmonke1 | JosefAssad: i'm only running xfce and gnome |
| 08:37.31 | jetscreamer | but it's common across desktops |
| 08:37.45 | enouf | though i always managed to find someone whom knew how to fix MS's ass good, and added custom registry values to fix the b0rkage .. never again though ;-) |
| 08:38.00 | JosefAssad | perlmonke1: what were you doing before your panels ran off and took cover? |
| 08:38.19 | enouf | perlmonke1: add a new system user, then login with that user and try |
| 08:38.34 | perlmonke1 | JosefAssad: nothing, I just woke up and booted the systems and the panels were gone :-/ yesterday I was messing all day with openvpn and firewall/routing tho |
| 08:38.41 | perlmonke1 | ok |
| 08:39.05 | enouf | adduser <user> <group> , then log out of X ...and log back in using new users id |
| 08:39.16 | enouf | then fire up apps |
| 08:39.31 | jetscreamer | find the gnome kb shortcut list also so you can call an xterm |
| 08:40.19 | JosefAssad | that's why me uses gmrun; no taskbars no complications |
| 08:40.31 | jetscreamer | i use grun :) |
| 08:40.40 | JosefAssad | though the launcher in ion3 was the sweetest I ever saw |
| 08:40.48 | jetscreamer | but icewm has it in the taskbar |
| 08:40.50 | JosefAssad | grun? Advantages over gmrun? |
| 08:41.08 | jetscreamer | no idea it's just what i went with |
| 08:41.10 | enouf | I hire a grunt |
| 08:41.13 | jetscreamer | long ago |
| 08:41.31 | jetscreamer | i think i just liked it better.. i did look at both |
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| 08:42.04 | perlmonke1 | enouf: that worked! |
| 08:42.15 | JosefAssad | my only beef with gmrun is the gtk dependency makes it less responsive than it could be |
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| 08:42.27 | rellik | anyone know about memory? in 'top' it says I'm using 100M of Memory.. but when I sort the display by Res, I only count ~50-60M, and everything else says 0.. 'ps --sort=rsz -A u' shows the same thing.. about 50-60M .. which is correct? is the 'top' overview section (at the top of the 'top' screen) counting something in addition to rsz? (http://pastie.caboo.se/55841) |
| 08:42.33 | enouf | perlmonke1: ok .. then there's an issue with that older user's settings somewhere |
| 08:42.41 | JosefAssad | enouf: generally, sexual innuendo works better when you let someone else make the followup references :p |
| 08:42.46 | perlmonke1 | :-/ |
| 08:42.46 | jetscreamer | so deleting all the .xfce4 or whatever and the .gnome* and .gconf* should clean up your home dir and user settings |
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| 08:43.08 | jetscreamer | aww |
| 08:43.11 | enouf | JosefAssad: i suppose .. but I get no takers, since i'm a "non-conformist" ;-( |
| 08:43.13 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 08:43.17 | perlmonke1 | ok |
| 08:43.31 | perlmonke1 | i wonder what caused this |
| 08:43.47 | JosefAssad | perlmonke1: desktop environments work in mysterious ways |
| 08:43.47 | jetscreamer | apt-get install mc |
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| 08:43.53 | perlmonke1 | sheesh |
| 08:43.56 | perlmonke1 | i dont like it |
| 08:44.10 | psyche_ | damn that kernel upgrade takes time... |
| 08:44.21 | jetscreamer | nuke teh bastid frum orebit |
| 08:44.24 | psyche_ | i dont know how much i have memory on that computer :( |
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| 08:44.45 | koppernet | hi i download file *.tar.gz and when i compiling it said i need a c compiler what packages do i need to install the c compiler |
| 08:44.47 | psyche_ | 256 at minimum, how long it will take? |
| 08:44.48 | jetscreamer | gtk related stuff too |
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| 08:44.55 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 08:44.56 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:45.10 | jetscreamer | !compile |
| 08:45.10 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 08:45.20 | bintut | enouf: i just tried it but i got a "minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyUSB0: No such device" error |
| 08:45.21 | jetscreamer | bah |
| 08:45.27 | koppernet | ok |
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| 08:45.37 | jetscreamer | gcc |
| 08:45.43 | enouf | JosefAssad: which is why one saying i have to repeat often is "look, i'll pay you for it .. wtf" ;-) |
| 08:45.44 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 08:45.54 | JosefAssad | heh |
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| 08:46.14 | enouf | bintut: what kerenl? |
| 08:46.14 | JosefAssad | enouf: we call that a bounty :p |
| 08:47.53 | enouf | bintut: all possible devices are in /dev/.static/dev ,, then udev uses that pool to create real system /dev nodes |
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| 08:48.10 | bintut | enouf: stock debian kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:48.28 | koppernet | bintut: are u from the philippines |
| 08:48.42 | enouf | bintut: hrmm .. odd .. do you have all the approriate modules loaded? maybe you need usbnet |
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| 08:49.14 | Guerin | koppernet: u are from the alphabet |
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| 08:49.27 | bintut | enouf: i just loaded it now |
| 08:49.33 | koppernet | ? |
| 08:49.44 | Guerin | koppernet: ? are from the punctuations |
| 08:50.00 | enouf | bintut: which is usually for usb<->usb though .. see linux-usb.org .. i have no idea about usb/serial adapters, maybe stty, or setterm can help se those man pages |
| 08:50.08 | perlmonke1 | wtf is wrong with my sys! browsers wont even start now |
| 08:50.16 | Guerin | perlmonke1: too much perl |
| 08:50.19 | rissy | if i do usermod [username] [group] thinking it would append me to that group, but instead it removes me from all other groups apart the desired, how would i fix this problem? at the moment i can't listen to audio because of this :( |
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| 08:50.25 | Guerin | the monkeys are taking control |
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| 08:50.44 | JosefAssad | I really think perlmonke1's problem is gtk |
| 08:50.52 | perlmonke1 | :-/ |
| 08:51.01 | perlmonke1 | can I get rid of gtk? |
| 08:51.01 | Guerin | rissy: adduser. Reading TFM would have prevented this. |
| 08:51.02 | delmorep | culmex: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Compile_the_Audacity_1_3_2_Beta_with_Ubuntu_Feisty |
| 08:51.10 | Guerin | perlmonke1: be our guest |
| 08:51.42 | perlmonke1 | my browser has finally started after 5 mins |
| 08:51.44 | Guerin | delmorep: 1. digg isn't something you should use for real help on any topic 2. this is not ubuntu 3. audacity is in debian already |
| 08:51.44 | enouf | !uninstall gnome |
| 08:51.51 | rissy | Guerin, i'm really asking for the default user groups a user would be in from a fresh debian installation, and no shit for reading the manual, it's called reading the manual wrongly while tired :P |
| 08:51.52 | enouf | hrm |
| 08:52.02 | perlmonke1 | however all of my settings/shortcuts etc have gone |
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| 08:52.31 | Guerin | rissy: i'm only in audio and src |
| 08:52.36 | Guerin | i may have added src myself |
| 08:52.38 | rissy | oh, |
| 08:52.41 | JosefAssad | perlmonke1: try to mv ~/.gtkrc and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to something else, then logging out and in again |
| 08:52.44 | rissy | okay, |
| 08:52.49 | bintut | brb |
| 08:53.03 | perlmonke1 | sheesh i think I see what's happened |
| 08:53.07 | enouf | rissy: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev |
| 08:53.15 | perlmonke1 | I seem to be mounted over NFS for my /home folder |
| 08:53.30 | perlmonke1 | all my settings are gone eh |
| 08:53.33 | Guerin | enouf: new etch?? |
| 08:53.33 | perlmonke1 | :-/ |
| 08:53.33 | enouf | rissy: standard user groups |
| 08:53.43 | Guerin | enouf: is that by default? |
| 08:53.54 | enouf | Guerin: i'm on testing/sid after many upgardes along the way |
| 08:53.57 | rissy | enouf, cheers! |
| 08:54.26 | enouf | Guerin: i can chroot into an older RC1 install if you really need to know |
| 08:54.57 | enouf | Guerin: but i recall many of these (if not all) being here from sarge |
| 08:54.59 | Guerin | enouf: that's definitely not default, then |
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| 08:55.17 | enouf | it seems appropriate to me |
| 08:55.52 | enouf | maybe one of those is not default .. |
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| 08:57.20 | Sunbow | hi what can i do to enter in my partitions of ntfs from debian? |
| 08:58.01 | Appiah | Are you trying to access your files from a ntfs partition? |
| 08:58.38 | Nemoder | !ntfs |
| 08:58.38 | dpkg | i guess ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
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| 08:59.19 | enouf | Guerin: after chrooting and su usr and running groups, here's the result |
| 08:59.20 | enouf | dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 08:59.55 | enouf | Guerin: that'd be from a pristine tasksel Desktop install |
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| 09:00.37 | enouf | so netdev is the one missing .. heh |
| 09:00.56 | Sunbow | Appiah: not im accessing my files from ext3 |
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| 09:01.05 | Appiah | in windows? |
| 09:01.14 | enouf | rissy: add the user to netdev also |
| 09:01.35 | Sunbow | no, now im in debian linux |
| 09:01.46 | Sunbow | Appiah: |
| 09:01.49 | rissy | enouf, okay :D |
| 09:02.07 | Appiah | I dont get what your trying to do Sunbow |
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| 09:02.35 | Guerin | !your |
| 09:02.35 | dpkg | [your] the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 09:02.48 | Appiah | sorry |
| 09:02.54 | Appiah | I wont bother you anymore |
| 09:02.59 | Appiah | sorry Guerin |
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| 09:04.14 | rcbarnes | how do I kick a user off my system who's logged in via ssh? |
| 09:04.19 | petemc | slay |
| 09:04.24 | petemc | or kill their shell |
| 09:04.33 | rcbarnes | I've got slay, but I didn't know it logged them off |
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| 09:05.42 | Sunbow | Appiah: forget it, i'm going to read |
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| 09:06.11 | Sunbow | http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 09:06.12 | rcbarnes | petemc: thanks |
| 09:06.38 | petemc | np |
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| 09:08.05 | Sunbow | Nemoder: this is for rpm distributions |
| 09:08.06 | rcbarnes | What does slay do as non-root in mean mode to the attempted slayer? |
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| 09:08.13 | Sunbow | red hat, fedora... |
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| 09:13.43 | Sunbow | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:13.43 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 09:13.48 | endra | know of any tools to test network speed from ssh? |
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| 09:14.07 | pythonic | hi! is kaffe the free jdk of choice? |
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| 09:14.53 | Erev | I maybe someone can help me. I have debian etch a gforce 7400. I install nvidia drivers and now when i want to go in nvidia x server setting if i go in openGL / GLX information this program log me out |
| 09:14.56 | what_if | anyone know if the "default lease time" in dhcpd is in munutes or seconds ?? |
| 09:15.09 | Erev | Someone can help me ?? |
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| 09:17.46 | hyphenex | Hi gang |
| 09:17.55 | hyphenex | I appear to have broken my linux box :P |
| 09:18.23 | jkdsoft | Erev: check Xorg.0.log at /var/log |
| 09:18.25 | liable | Erev: man dhcpd.conf? |
| 09:18.26 | hyphenex | I moved my hard disk file from VMware on my windows box to parallels on my new MacBook, and it kind of has a kernel panic and dies now when I try and boot from it |
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| 09:19.31 | frixer | does anyone know what packages are needed for a minimal x install? right now the meta package installs everything even if you dont need it |
| 09:20.17 | Erev | jkdsoft : AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
| 09:20.17 | Erev | AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 4 rejected from local host |
| 09:20.17 | Erev | AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 3 rejected from local host |
| 09:20.17 | Erev | AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 6 rejected from local host |
| 09:20.18 | Erev | AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 5 rejected from local host |
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| 09:21.07 | Erev | jkdsoft: he give me that AUDIT: Mon Apr 23 13:07:46 2007: 4786 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
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| 09:21.31 | Guerin | Erev: we noticed |
| 09:21.45 | wols_ | !tell erev about paster |
| 09:21.55 | Erev | guerin yeah i m sorry |
| 09:21.58 | hyphenex | can anybody help me fix my linux VM? |
| 09:22.06 | xand | !anyone |
| 09:22.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:22.22 | hyphenex | hahaha |
| 09:22.26 | wols_ | hyphenex: ask vmware or parallels |
| 09:22.40 | lhadji | frixer, if you install the base system in the install then do a apt-get install xserver-xorg-core, then install a window manager |
| 09:22.45 | hyphenex | well, it won't boot since I've moved it over from VMware to parallesl, I don't think they'd be able to help me over there |
| 09:22.47 | lhadji | should be all good |
| 09:22.55 | Erev | Guerin and wols_: I really sorry |
| 09:23.09 | wols_ | hyphenex: we can't help you either. neither vmware nor parallels is debian software, isit? |
| 09:23.12 | lhadji | install the core of the window manager if minimalist |
| 09:23.13 | fireba11 | wired .. my new etch amd64 netinstall ended up without any MTA installed ? is that intended ? |
| 09:23.30 | BACbKA | hi folks. I've got an intel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz machine (h/w desc'd in install-report @ bug 290474), and try to see what cpufreq scaling it supports. Having modprobe'd p4-clockmod, I see hardware limits: 2.28 GHz - 2.60 GHz, with just the two options available. Does it make sense for this kind of CPU, or do I miss some kernel/bios/whatever settings/drivers? |
| 09:24.06 | Erev | jkdsoft: i check on google and i see i m not alone to have this problem |
| 09:24.29 | hyphenex | wols_ but it's just a Linux issue isn't it... the guest OS does not know it's running under a VM |
| 09:24.30 | jetscreamer | !sicco |
| 09:24.30 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 09:24.39 | Erev | jkdsoft:like this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=502155&page=2 |
| 09:24.45 | hyphenex | It boots past GRUB and everything, just has a kernel panic when it starts booting |
| 09:25.00 | Erev | jkdsoft: But maybe i need to check with nvidia ? |
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| 09:27.29 | Sunbow | !install ntfs-3g |
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| 09:28.01 | Sunbow | !fuse |
| 09:28.01 | dpkg | somebody said fuse was at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 09:28.15 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:28.15 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 09:29.10 | Sunbow | this doesn't funcionate |
| 09:29.29 | wols_ | !tell Sunbow about doesn't work |
| 09:29.41 | jkdsoft | Erev: Are you sure that's the real problem? Yesterday I've compiled nvidia drivers and I realised that xorg uses different paths to allocate modules. So I had to create symlinks to files installed by last version of nvidia drivers. |
| 09:29.53 | JosefAssad | doesn't functionate should be standard techie lingo. It is brilliant |
| 09:29.54 | Sunbow | jejeje |
| 09:30.10 | wols_ | Sunbow: apt-cache search fuse |
| 09:30.23 | JosefAssad | "help, my ubuntu doesn't functionate!" |
| 09:30.29 | tiny | heh |
| 09:30.55 | perlmonke1 | hi tiny |
| 09:31.00 | Erev | jkdsoft: I really have no idea. I think it s debian and nvidia but it s only a supposition |
| 09:31.01 | tiny | hi perlmonke1 |
| 09:31.28 | jetscreamer | jkdsoft: http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 esp the second post |
| 09:31.35 | Erev | jkdsoft: where did you do le symbolik link ? |
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| 09:33.25 | Sunbow | wols_: i do that |
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| 09:33.44 | Sunbow | a good list come back |
| 09:33.54 | Sunbow | in the terminal |
| 09:34.13 | Sunbow | and now what do i have to do? |
| 09:34.36 | Sunbow | hehehe, it doesn't work |
| 09:35.29 | Erev | jetscreamer: make and gcc linux-headers pkg-config and xserver-xorg-dev are installed |
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| 09:36.34 | wols_ | !tell Sunbow about grounding |
| 09:37.50 | jkdsoft | Erev: libglx.so at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ pointing to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so and nvidia_drv.so at /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers pointing to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
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| 09:40.52 | utrrrongeeb | My Xfce desktop icons have a bad habit of wandering whenever I log in. They don't always stay where I put them on the desktop. |
| 09:40.54 | tiny | !tell tiny about grounding |
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| 09:41.27 | perlmonke1 | !tell perlmonkey about grounding |
| 09:41.53 | wols_ | tiny, perlmonke1 /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 09:42.21 | Sunbow | ERROR: dependency is not satisfiable: libfuse2 (i try installing a ntfs-3g_1.328-2_i386.deb package doing right click mouse and selecting GDebi package installer) why doesn't it work? |
| 09:42.55 | Coweatar | it can't install libfuse2 |
| 09:43.09 | tiny | dkgp = nice boot |
| 09:43.14 | wols_ | Sunbow: as root: aptitude install ntfs-3g |
| 09:43.15 | tiny | err dpkg |
| 09:43.29 | Sunbow | and why can't it install libfuse2? |
| 09:43.45 | wols_ | Sunbow: do what I said and paste the output if there are any error messages |
| 09:43.55 | Sunbow | ok wolls |
| 09:43.58 | Sunbow | wols |
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| 09:46.33 | Erev | jkdsoft : i haven t this path /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/ |
| 09:46.53 | Erev | jkdsoft : maybe i forget to create something ?? |
| 09:47.33 | Erev | jdksoft : maybe i forget to install something |
| 09:47.50 | wols_ | Erev: haev you installed x-window-system-core? |
| 09:48.07 | utrrrongeeb | My Xfce desktop icons have a bad habit of wandering whenever I log in. They don't always stay where I put them on the desktop. |
| 09:48.10 | wols_ | does dpkg-reconfiguer xserver-xorg give you a debconf screen? |
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| 09:48.25 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 09:48.46 | dnanar | may anyone pastebin his sources.list under sid please ? :) |
| 09:49.11 | Erev | wols_ no is installed |
| 09:49.23 | wols_ | Erev: english please? |
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| 09:49.28 | wols_ | is it installed or not? |
| 09:49.38 | Erev | wols_ yes is installed |
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| 09:49.54 | wols_ | Erev: what debian version? |
| 09:50.02 | Erev | wols_ etch |
| 09:50.04 | c00lfon | dnanar, Copy to Your sources.list: |
| 09:50.04 | c00lfon | deb ftp://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 09:50.05 | c00lfon | deb-src ftp://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 09:50.07 | Octopus | Does anyone know how this can be: I filled in the motd files with my own msg (and also the other files related to that) but I still keep seeing the original msg, any idea why? |
| 09:50.20 | Octopus | even with reboots etc |
| 09:50.21 | c00lfon | dnanar, You can also chacne cz to sk, us, pl etc. |
| 09:50.23 | cydork | Octopus: /etc/motd.tail |
| 09:50.26 | Erev | wols_ kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:50.30 | cydork | Octopus: that's what you want.. |
| 09:50.38 | Octopus | thx |
| 09:50.40 | Octopus | sec |
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| 09:52.48 | dnanar | c00lfon: ty :) |
| 09:52.54 | Octopus | works ;) |
| 09:53.00 | dnanar | *thank you oO |
| 09:53.55 | c00lfon | Np. ;) |
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| 09:54.31 | Sunbow | wols_: here is the result of doing that you say: http://rafb.net/p/WcOa8m90.htm |
| 09:54.42 | BACbKA | Octupus: see also /etc/default/rcS for means to completely disable auto-rewriting of the motd |
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| 09:54.57 | Octopus | okay thanks will check |
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| 09:55.10 | Sunbow | wols_: it doesn't works i can't enter in the partitions of ntfs |
| 09:55.42 | wols_ | !find ntfs-3f etch |
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| 09:56.12 | cydork | wols_: 3g? |
| 09:56.27 | wols_ | !find ntfs-3g etch |
| 09:56.27 | Sunbow | find ntfs-3g etch |
| 09:56.29 | wols_ | thanks cydork |
| 09:56.43 | dpkg | Debian Desc Search of 'ntfs-3g' (2): libntfs-3g0 ;; libntfs-3g-dev. |
| 09:57.05 | cydork | wols_: np. |
| 09:57.07 | Sunbow | my version is etch |
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| 09:57.20 | Octopus | BACbKA: What do I need to add to that file? Don't see anything about MOTD in it and neither in the man rcS page |
| 09:58.02 | BACbKA | Octopus: grep -i motd /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:58.02 | BACbKA | # Set EDITMOTD to "no" if you don't want /etc/motd to be editted automatically |
| 09:58.09 | utrrrongeeb | I notice that KeyLaunch doesn't work under Etch. I had to use xbindkeys. Any reason why? |
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| 09:58.36 | Octopus | isnt in my file :) |
| 09:58.38 | wols_ | Erev: there should be a usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ |
| 09:58.39 | Octopus | but will add it |
| 09:58.48 | cydork | BACbKA: The EDITMOTD variable is no longer used. that is from man 5 rcS |
| 09:58.53 | Octopus | yep indd |
| 09:58.57 | Octopus | hmmm |
| 09:59.00 | wols_ | and the nvidia libs should be in there |
| 09:59.03 | Octopus | so what does alter it then? |
| 09:59.03 | BACbKA | Octopus: actually, looks like you are right --- my system has been upgraded for a while... there's a NOTE in man rcS saying that |
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| 09:59.07 | BACbKA | cydork aye |
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| 09:59.22 | Erev | wols_ yes it s right |
| 09:59.22 | BACbKA | Octopus: sorry, looks like it's a legacy thing I still have here |
| 09:59.34 | Zvpun | When I select custom session at kdm I get: unable to launch "custom" X session --- "custom" not found; falling back to default session |
| 09:59.35 | wols_ | Sunbow: there is no ntfs-3g in etch it seems |
| 09:59.35 | Octopus | hehe |
| 09:59.50 | Octopus | well, what does alter it automatically then? if the EDITMOTD var isnt used anymore |
| 09:59.56 | BACbKA | octopus: either a manual mis-merge on a system upgrade |
| 10:00.05 | Octopus | since its been altered auto and |
| 10:00.06 | Octopus | Linux space 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 |
| 10:00.07 | BACbKA | octopus: ... or a script problem |
| 10:00.10 | Octopus | is also still auto edited |
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| 10:00.38 | wols_ | !tell Sunbow about simple sid backport |
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| 10:01.00 | BACbKA | octopus: the way I am reading bootmisc.sh now, it is ALWAYS updated |
| 10:01.12 | BACbKA | octopus: so you have to locally comment it out in your bootmisc.sh then |
| 10:01.33 | BACbKA | octopus: (if you don't like the motd.tail way) |
| 10:01.59 | BACbKA | octopus: that's /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 10:02.11 | Octopus | ok thx |
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| 10:02.38 | Sunbow | wols you know more than me about this, tell to debian for this problem |
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| 10:04.27 | Sunbow | !backports |
| 10:04.27 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 10:05.46 | wols_ | Sunbow: I don't think there are any backports for stable right now |
| 10:05.55 | wols_ | so simple sid backport is your best bet |
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| 10:06.53 | Sunbow | what direction i have to put in the repositories for sid backport? |
| 10:06.57 | Sunbow | wols |
| 10:09.01 | wols_ | huh? |
| 10:09.06 | wols_ | it clearly tells you what to do |
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| 10:12.15 | artagnon | What logs my bootup process? I got some messages at bootup that I need to refer to once more |
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| 10:12.34 | BACbKA | artagnon: try logs in /var/log |
| 10:12.51 | artagnon | BACbKA: :) I'm also looking there. Which file? |
| 10:13.08 | BACbKA | artagnon: some of the kernel-related will be there in the in-memory kernel log buffer via dmesg |
| 10:13.22 | Sunbow | wols i'm lost, which is the exactly direction(deb http:/pack...., deb ftp.....)to add a deb-src line for sid in the repository? |
| 10:13.45 | lklm | I have a problem with non-root user execing a setuid root file which bind to priviledged port. He still doesn't have the permission. Is there anything else I should change ? |
| 10:13.52 | artagnon | BACbKA: Yes, I know that too. It doesn't have what I want though |
| 10:14.01 | artagnon | dmesg doesn't display what I want |
| 10:14.30 | cydork | artagnon: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 10:14.55 | artagnon | cydork: Thanks |
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| 10:16.36 | giupy | wich params in fstab for an internal hd for have mount, read and write permission for all users and samba ? |
| 10:17.01 | giupy | i have tried rw,user,auto but i ca'nt create a folder and umount |
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| 10:19.31 | wols_ | Sunbow: deb-src ftp |
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| 10:20.09 | andreas__ | Hi. Can someone please explain to me why I am not allowed to use Ark, which I have allready installed? |
| 10:20.10 | BACbKA | giupy: creating it through samba share? then likely samba is holding it open => it's busy => not unmountable |
| 10:20.35 | giupy | BACbKA i haven't tried samba right now, only locally |
| 10:20.49 | giupy | BACbKA created locally |
| 10:21.27 | BACbKA | giupy: try lsof or fuser to see what has it open |
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| 10:22.14 | giupy | BACbKA but now i opnly need to use it locally with other users that aren't root, but i don't know wich params to use in fstab |
| 10:22.55 | jelly-home | andreas__: please provide the exact output, together with the failing command. |
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| 10:23.42 | andreas__ | jelly-home: The utility unzip is not in your PATH. |
| 10:23.42 | andreas__ | Please install it or contact your system administrator. |
| 10:23.58 | andreas__ | The file is placed on my desktop |
| 10:24.00 | jelly-home | andreas__: well, there's your answer -- install unzip |
| 10:24.16 | andreas__ | jelly-home: Isn`t Ark enough? |
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| 10:24.42 | jelly-home | andreas__: ark is probably just a wrapper for other compression utilities |
| 10:24.45 | wols_ | ark is an archive manager. it's only a frontend to the actual packers |
| 10:24.55 | andreas__ | Okay... Thanks a lot |
| 10:24.57 | wols_ | apt-get install unzip zip |
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| 10:25.26 | andreas__ | BTW: What`s the main difference between using apt-get and aptitude? Which is the better one? |
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| 10:26.36 | wols_ | !hy aptitude |
| 10:26.40 | wols_ | !why aptitude |
| 10:26.40 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 10:26.41 | anapivirtua_ | Bonjour / Hi |
| 10:26.44 | sobersabre | guys.. I always forget how do I create a new hidden window in bitchx. |
| 10:26.52 | sobersabre | is it /window new hide ? |
| 10:27.18 | wols_ | !irssi |
| 10:27.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 10:27.27 | andreas__ | Thanks a lot. I`ll stick with aptitude |
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| 10:27.42 | sobersabre | wols_ why is irssi better than bitchx ? |
| 10:28.11 | giupy | how can i change permissions params for a folder created with root? |
| 10:28.21 | sobersabre | [ never tried it.. thus the Q.] |
| 10:28.27 | petemc | giupy: chmod, chown |
| 10:28.31 | wols_ | cause it is? only reason to use bitchx by now is if you ahve a big ass script for it you don't want to lose |
| 10:28.45 | jelly-home | is there any howto clean up old packages using aptitude? Something like how to "mark everything auto", "unmark only what you want installed", etc. |
| 10:28.56 | wols_ | giupy: you need to be owner of the directory of course (which would mean you need to be root) |
| 10:28.58 | sobersabre | wols_ I don't have a big ass script. |
| 10:29.01 | sobersabre | hmm... |
| 10:29.08 | sobersabre | let's see what's it about. |
| 10:29.23 | wols_ | sobersabre: stuff like multinetwork support, very good windowing support, etc |
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| 10:29.38 | wols_ | and last but not least: is bitchx even developed anymore? |
| 10:29.46 | tarzeau | weeeee http://www.imitationpickles.org/barbie/ |
| 10:29.59 | artagnon | My entrance login manager isn't working. I installed it and let it put an initscript in /etc/init.d, rebooted to find a "Cannot open display" message. Any idea what's wrong? |
| 10:30.05 | jelly-home | wols_: um, he can't hear you |
| 10:30.18 | wols_ | jelly-home: doh! |
| 10:30.26 | wols_ | tarzeau: I'm starting to worry about you... |
| 10:30.30 | h3sp4wn | artagnon: where did you get entrance from ? |
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| 10:30.34 | wols_ | tarzeau: but then, maybe I can have a pony in that game |
| 10:30.44 | abitar2 | hi Im a network administrator at a school, I want to take a windows image from our linux server to write it on approximatly 45 clients. Can I realize this with ntfs-3g or should I use captive? Is captive much slower than ntfs-3g? Is it possible to write a whole image of windows with ntfs-3g? |
| 10:31.04 | tarzeau | wols_: heh, did you see the cuuuuute graphics? |
| 10:31.05 | wols_ | artagnon: does startx work when you're logged in? do you get X then? |
| 10:31.10 | artagnon | h3sp4wn: From an enlightenment debian repo, I don't remember now |
| 10:31.15 | artagnon | wols_: Yes, ofcourse |
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| 10:31.21 | jelly-home | abitar2: what kind of image is it? |
| 10:31.41 | abitar2 | jelly-home: it is a windows 2000 image... |
| 10:31.54 | jelly-home | abitar2: what did you create it with? |
| 10:31.58 | artagnon | h3sp4wn: And I deleted that apt line after getting entrance :P |
| 10:32.09 | BACbKA | artagnon: look at the logs, will there be a Xorg*log there to read? |
| 10:32.11 | wols_ | abitar2: you should use something like TFTP |
| 10:32.24 | artagnon | BACbKA: Yes, I'll look at that one |
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| 10:32.33 | abitar2 | jelly-home: mmh, I will create it :-) I thougt, this is not the problem... |
| 10:32.37 | BACbKA | artagnon: are you using nvidia by chance? |
| 10:33.02 | jelly-home | abitar2: if it's a whole partition or a whole disk, you don't need to write ntfs, just dump the whole image onto the device |
| 10:33.03 | wols_ | artagnon: you cannot do what you want actually with ntfs3-g. cause it would copy only files. while you need to also copy bootloaders and such, something that is better done via tftp |
| 10:33.04 | artagnon | BACbKA: Yes |
| 10:33.13 | BACbKA | artagnon: I guess that is the problem |
| 10:33.27 | artagnon | wols_: Excuse me? Wrong person? |
| 10:33.29 | BACbKA | artagnon: upgraded a kernel recently or an nvidia module package or nvidia-glx? |
| 10:33.37 | wols_ | artagnon: possibly |
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| 10:33.40 | eagle1 | re |
| 10:33.49 | jelly-home | abitar2: you could try clonezilla and report back how it worked, :-) |
| 10:34.03 | artagnon | BACbKA: I always had the kernel module + nvidia-glx. They WFM fine |
| 10:34.05 | eagle1 | someone know why a simple aptitude install something is triyng to remove my running kernel? |
| 10:34.27 | artagnon | Does the kernel now natively support NTFS writes? |
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| 10:34.30 | wols_ | eagle1: more input = more answers |
| 10:34.32 | BACbKA | artagnon: the q is whether you manually requested a kernel different from the one pulled in by the kernel module pkg |
| 10:34.37 | wols_ | artagnon: no |
| 10:34.42 | BACbKA | artagnon: you have 2 choices with nvidia |
| 10:34.46 | artagnon | BACbKA: Kernel module package |
| 10:35.01 | abitar2 | jelly-home: thank you, so with clonezilla I can take a whole partition of windows and write it on a partition of a client without having the ntfs-problems? |
| 10:35.09 | eagle1 | wols_, yeah sorry. debian 3.1 upgraded to 4.0. now i'm simple installing some software, and apt would remove my running kernle (2.6.8-3) and upgrade the libc |
| 10:35.11 | artagnon | BACbKA: And it works man. X starts fine |
| 10:35.25 | artagnon | BACbKA: And I can do hardware acceleration just fine |
| 10:35.28 | jelly-home | abitar2: that's what it's supposed to do, yes |
| 10:35.29 | wols_ | eagle1: you didn't upgrade to 4.0. you run a 3.1 kernel |
| 10:35.31 | BACbKA | artagnon: oops I missed that |
| 10:35.32 | artagnon | wols_: Will it ever? |
| 10:35.34 | wols_ | install the etch kernel |
| 10:35.36 | jelly-home | abitar2: I haven't tried it yet |
| 10:35.43 | eagle1 | wols_, how? |
| 10:35.46 | abitar2 | jelly-home: oh thats great, thank you a lot... |
| 10:35.48 | wols_ | artagnon: unlikely but possible |
| 10:35.58 | artagnon | wols_: The etch kernel has NTFS writes? |
| 10:36.00 | eagle1 | [gianluca@bodhi:~]$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:36.00 | eagle1 | 4.0 |
| 10:36.00 | eagle1 | [gianluca@bodhi:~]$ uname -a |
| 10:36.00 | eagle1 | Linux bodhi 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:36.03 | wols_ | eagle1: install an etch kernel. how do you isntall a kernel? |
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| 10:36.11 | eagle1 | sorry |
| 10:36.12 | artagnon | ! |
| 10:36.14 | wols_ | eagle1: install an etch kernel. how do you isntall a kernel? |
| 10:36.30 | eagle1 | ... with apt, as usual :P |
| 10:36.37 | wols_ | !cookie eagle1 |
| 10:36.39 | dpkg | Hey wols_, is |
| 10:36.49 | wols_ | dpkg: you are borken |
| 10:36.50 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, wols_ |
| 10:36.57 | artagnon | wols_: How do I transfer data then between an NTFS partition and EXT3 partition without using external media like DVDs |
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| 10:37.05 | vorsprung | what do I do to stop this happening in exim.conf |
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| 10:37.09 | vorsprung | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.26 | fengor | artagnon: depends on the direction of the transfer |
| 10:37.29 | Octopus | Does anyone know where I can alter this: drive sda1 has been mounted 30 times without being checked, check forced. |
| 10:37.34 | petemc | vorsprung: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , read the questions carefully |
| 10:37.37 | h3sp4wn | abitar2: I have used ntfsclone (only restored from it once though) seems ok - problem with that though is you end up with the same machine sid so you have to deal with that manually though |
| 10:37.39 | wols_ | artagnon: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 10:37.40 | fengor | ntfs -> ext3 or ext3 -> ntfs? |
| 10:37.42 | artagnon | fengor: EXT3 -> NTFS |
| 10:37.51 | fengor | see the answer of wols |
| 10:37.57 | petemc | Octopus: tune2fs |
| 10:38.00 | fengor | ask dpkg about ntfs-3g |
| 10:38.00 | eagle1 | wols_, my only trouble is that the server is a lot of km away from here.. |
| 10:38.19 | eagle1 | so BEFORE upgrading something...:) |
| 10:38.23 | artagnon | wols_: Ah, ntfs-3g |
| 10:38.24 | Octopus | ok |
| 10:38.26 | Octopus | thx |
| 10:38.50 | eagle1 | BTW i've found this: http://www.debianadmin.com/upgrade-debian-sarge-to-debian-etch.html |
| 10:39.27 | wols_ | !tell eagle1 about sarge->etch |
| 10:39.27 | petemc | eagle1: the release notes would be a safe bet for what to do when upgrading |
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| 10:39.55 | vorsprung | petemc, I'll give that a whirl. It's probably a good idea |
| 10:39.59 | wols_ | Octopus: man tune2fs |
| 10:40.00 | eagle1 | guys u r right, |
| 10:40.07 | wols_ | !u |
| 10:40.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 10:40.30 | eagle1 | but really, i've realized that etch was released just few minutes after my daily aptitude update && aptitute upgrade :) |
| 10:40.43 | eagle1 | :? |
| 10:40.53 | wols_ | eagle1: it can't be daily since it was released 2 weeks ago on easter |
| 10:41.06 | eagle1 | wols_, marriage :) |
| 10:41.22 | eagle1 | just returned ;) |
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| 10:43.08 | darric | something screwed up. i can access an external website but i can't access http://localhost. keep my waiting a long time. what can be wrong? |
| 10:43.50 | wols_ | your dns. can you ping the website? |
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| 10:44.16 | darric | ping 127,9,9,1? |
| 10:44.23 | wols_ | and: can you just not access a single website or can't access any website? |
| 10:44.23 | darric | 0.0 |
| 10:44.34 | wols_ | darric: no. ping the website or google |
| 10:44.47 | darric | i can't access http://localhost. |
| 10:44.55 | wols_ | ah |
| 10:45.01 | wols_ | sorry misread |
| 10:45.06 | giupy | well, i don't know how to make it: i have a new internal hd, i have formatted it as resiserfs, and i want to use it with all users, that want mount, unmount, read and write, and i want for mount point "/storage", what must i do for that all ? |
| 10:45.19 | wols_ | is a webserver running? is it listening on port 80? |
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| 10:45.42 | h3sp4wn | darric: checked /etc/nsswitch.conf and /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:45.52 | darric | k |
| 10:45.54 | wols_ | giupy: make a /storage directory and add the partiton on it to your fstab |
| 10:46.05 | fengor | giupy: are you sure you want all users to have mount/umount privileges for the hd? |
| 10:46.24 | giupy | wols_ :) just made, i don't have permission to create dir or unmount |
| 10:46.27 | giupy | fengor yes |
| 10:46.41 | giupy | fengor i use it at home :) |
| 10:46.47 | wols_ | /dev/hda1 /storage reiserfs notail 0 2 |
| 10:46.49 | wols_ | something like that |
| 10:46.57 | giupy | well notail, never used |
| 10:46.59 | wols_ | giupy: made what? |
| 10:47.10 | giupy | wols_ "rw,user,auto" |
| 10:47.16 | luosm | If I want to upgrade GNOME 2.14 to 2.18, all I need to do is apt-get -u install gnome? |
| 10:47.18 | wols_ | use "defaults" instead then |
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| 10:47.38 | wols_ | luosm: depends. debian stable has no gnome 2.18 for example |
| 10:47.48 | wols_ | and neither has sid afaik |
| 10:47.56 | luosm | wols_: Aw |
| 10:48.00 | luosm | Yeah am on Stable |
| 10:48.13 | wols_ | luosm: etch will never ever get gnome 2.18 btw |
| 10:48.21 | luosm | Why? |
| 10:48.24 | giupy | well, only root can mount it |
| 10:48.28 | stew | luosm: you'll have to wait for it to first show up in unstable, then you'll have to wait for someone to backport it for stable |
| 10:48.29 | h3sp4wn | sid has at least parts of it (there is a backport of 2.16) |
| 10:48.31 | giupy | wols_ with taht line |
| 10:48.34 | giupy | that |
| 10:48.38 | wols_ | giupy: defaults,user then |
| 10:48.45 | giupy | wols_ just tried |
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| 10:48.47 | stew | luosm: once stable has been released, it never gets new versions of software, just security updates |
| 10:48.57 | luosm | I see |
| 10:49.08 | wols_ | giupy: there is a great thing called "error messages" cool stuff |
| 10:49.09 | luosm | stew: So only 2.14, not even 2.16? |
| 10:49.23 | giupy | wols_ don't understand |
| 10:49.24 | wols_ | luosm: as stew said, only via backports |
| 10:49.34 | luosm | wols_: Fair enough |
| 10:49.40 | wols_ | giupy: unless you give us proper input we can't help you |
| 10:49.43 | giupy | wols_ mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb1 on /storage |
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| 10:50.02 | cydork | luosm: more details here --> /msg dpkg gnome 2.16 |
| 10:50.16 | danielss89 | Hi, does anybody know a good guide, for making postfix work with mysql, and a webmail? pop3?? |
| 10:50.25 | luosm | Thanks |
| 10:50.29 | wols_ | danielss89: "ispmail sarge". google that |
| 10:50.53 | giupy | perhaps i need another fs ?? |
| 10:51.01 | wols_ | giupy: no you don't |
| 10:51.06 | wols_ | paste your fstab line somewhere |
| 10:51.09 | danielss89 | wols_ will that work for etch too? |
| 10:51.12 | giupy | wols_ well i suppose :) |
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| 10:51.17 | wols_ | danielss89: afaik yes |
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| 10:51.26 | eagle1 | danielss89, http://www.postfix.org/docs.html |
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| 10:54.40 | giupy | wols_ all fstab or only the line interested ? |
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| 10:55.42 | giupy | wols_ go to #giupy |
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| 10:57.58 | giupy | bad, i must go now |
| 10:58.12 | giupy | wols_ thanks anyhow, i'll come back |
| 10:58.36 | vorsprung | i am a bad man. I broke exim4 last week trying to make it play with an imap server |
| 10:59.02 | wols_ | vorsprung: which imap server? |
| 10:59.28 | psyco-ob1wan | hah! just got one of those spams promoting a stock...funny was it was saying in the subject: "Debian Installations with Woody are safe, but hopeless outdated"... the bad guys seem to improve... |
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| 11:00.30 | vorsprung | wols_, the one with maildir folders |
| 11:00.36 | vorsprung | wols_, courier I think |
| 11:00.48 | petemc | all imap servers should do maildir |
| 11:00.53 | petemc | 'cept cyrus, i guess |
| 11:00.55 | vorsprung | wols_, I need to upgrade to etch before doing anything else |
| 11:01.34 | vorsprung | petemc, I just wanted to get anything working due to a crisis with my old email server |
| 11:01.49 | petemc | dovecot is easy to use |
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| 11:03.32 | vorsprung | petemc, ok I'll make a note of that |
| 11:03.58 | vorsprung | now back to the problem with helo |
| 11:04.24 | petemc | vorsprung: exim4 -bP primary_hostname |
| 11:05.03 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ntfs-3f' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.29 | vorsprung | petemc, ah ha! that is very wrong |
| 11:05.59 | petemc | vorsprung: do you use debconf to configure exim? |
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| 11:07.52 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: dpkg just took literally an hour to update files for a !find package |
| 11:08.01 | vorsprung | petemc, I ran dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:08.06 | vorsprung | as you recommended |
| 11:08.24 | vorsprung | but I don't see how to set the "visible name" in that |
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| 11:08.52 | vorsprung | my outward facing internet connection IP has the domain name "linuxufo.com" |
| 11:08.53 | petemc | vorsprung: there wasnt a question that had the answer filled in already with the same value as primary_hostname? |
| 11:09.04 | vorsprung | whereas the workstation has the address "snail" |
| 11:09.18 | GRR | Hello :-) |
| 11:09.19 | GRR | Grr! |
| 11:10.10 | vorsprung | exim4 -bP primary_hostname gives "snail" which is fairy nuff but I need to set "primary_hostname" to be linuxufo.com instead |
| 11:10.30 | petemc | vorsprung: primary_hostname is whats used in the helo |
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| 11:11.15 | petemc | so primary_hostname being "snail@ isnt fairy nuff |
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| 11:11.29 | n000b | re all |
| 11:11.50 | n000b | i have a box with two network interfaces |
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| 11:12.17 | n000b | and 2 different ip addresses assigned to each |
| 11:12.36 | n000b | there is a ftp server binded on one ip address |
| 11:13.00 | n000b | how can i enforce that packets leaving this machine |
| 11:13.11 | vorsprung | petemc, yes. I think I may have to hack the update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 11:13.18 | n000b | have src address this specific interface/ip? |
| 11:13.29 | petemc | vorsprung: no, there is a question in the debconf config that can set that |
| 11:13.51 | enouf | wols_: fwiw, concerning guipy with reiserfs issues; my line in /etc/fstab is; /dev/hda3 /mnt/p3 reiserfs rw,user,notail,data=journal 0 0 |
| 11:13.55 | wols_ | n000b: if you use interface x, the packets leaving have interface x's IP |
| 11:13.59 | wols_ | n000b: nothing to do |
| 11:14.06 | enouf | wols_: and as user i juts mounted and umounted |
| 11:14.13 | enouf | s/juts/just |
| 11:14.20 | petemc | vorsprung: as i said, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, you'll see an answer already filled in with "snail" change that |
| 11:14.24 | wols_ | enouf: defaults,user should work imho |
| 11:14.32 | enouf | wols_: right |
| 11:14.47 | wols_ | but why he wants to unmount as user, is beyond me for a storage partition |
| 11:14.51 | n000b | wols_: well it seems that packets leaving from the other interface, their src is that interface's addr |
| 11:15.04 | wols_ | the standard way is tou mount it always and share it via samba/nfs |
| 11:15.07 | vorsprung | petemc, I see no snail in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config :( |
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| 11:15.25 | petemc | vorsprung: does hostname -f say snail? |
| 11:15.29 | vorsprung | petemc, I am running sarge not etch |
| 11:15.35 | petemc | thats fine |
| 11:15.36 | wols_ | n000b: of course it is. can't be otherwise. if it uses x's interface ftp wouldn |
| 11:15.39 | wols_ | wouldn't work |
| 11:15.53 | vorsprung | petemc, yep hostname -f says snail |
| 11:16.18 | n000b | wols_: let me give an example |
| 11:16.30 | petemc | vorsprung: thats wrong, configure /etc/hosts correctly so that hostname -f gives a fully qualified name |
| 11:16.43 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 11:16.43 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 11:16.59 | petemc | vorsprung: or change the value of primary_hostname manually.. |
| 11:17.03 | n000b | wols_: eth0:192.168.1.1/24 eth1: 192.168.2.1/24, my laptop 192.168.1.10 |
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| 11:17.17 | n000b | wols_: ftp server binded to 192.168.1.2 |
| 11:17.19 | eagle1 | no, is not simple to upgrade from sarge to etch. at all |
| 11:17.20 | enouf | wols_: my /mnt/point says Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) .. so that shouldn't be the issue for them |
| 11:17.24 | vorsprung | petemc, ok |
| 11:17.51 | n000b | wols_: if i ftp to 192.168.2.1, i'll have in fact a connection to 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:18.19 | wols_ | n000b: then your ftpd is also bound to 192.168.2.1 |
| 11:18.38 | n000b | wols_: everything works just fine, except for the server's src address wich i want it to be 192.168.2.1 |
| 11:18.58 | n000b | wols_: yes, my ftp is bound to 192.168.2.1 |
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| 11:19.34 | psyche_ | need help with X configuration |
| 11:19.50 | wols_ | n000b: netstat -anp |grep :21 |grep LISTEN |
| 11:19.53 | psyche_ | startx -> flashy screen |
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| 11:21.11 | n000b | wols_: it actualy listens on 0.0.0.0:21. that's the problem. thanks for your help |
| 11:21.13 | enouf | psyche_: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:21.14 | metbsd | ok, so where the startup script at? |
| 11:21.40 | enouf | metbsd: not again |
| 11:21.41 | wols_ | metbsd: which startup script? /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 11:21.50 | n000b | wols_: now the bloody pure-ftpd wouln't obey its own Bind directive |
| 11:22.13 | tuvwx | can linux boot from raid-0 and/or lvm yet? |
| 11:22.23 | wols_ | tuvwx: yes |
| 11:22.27 | wols_ | afaik |
| 11:22.39 | wols_ | it could at least since 2.5 |
| 11:22.41 | wols_ | 2.4 |
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| 11:23.03 | js_ | tuvwx: yes |
| 11:23.06 | tuvwx | i had problems with lvm few months ago! |
| 11:23.11 | js_ | its been able to for a while |
| 11:23.21 | enouf | i think you need atleast an initrd and/or a separate /boot |
| 11:23.24 | wols_ | tuvwx: nobody said it's easy. but it'S doable |
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| 11:23.48 | danielss89 | wols_ the guide i find when i search is very outdated (I guess) the files( the sql file f.x.) isnt found on the server.. |
| 11:23.49 | psyche_ | hell yea... |
| 11:23.52 | psyche_ | X is working now... |
| 11:23.55 | tuvwx | if i still need a separate boot then the answer to my question is no |
| 11:24.01 | enouf | but rootraiddoc.97.html (in th mdadm pkg) expalins it |
| 11:24.02 | wols_ | danielss89: f.x.? |
| 11:24.07 | tuvwx | if it* |
| 11:24.25 | eagle1 | someone know why aptitude from interactive mode will remove a lots of pkg (like base-congif, mysql.. etc?) |
| 11:24.35 | eagle1 | instead the CLI not? |
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| 11:25.05 | wols_ | enouf: you must think we're psychic |
| 11:25.11 | wols_ | unfortunately we are not |
| 11:25.21 | wols_ | "eagle1:" I meant |
| 11:25.24 | enouf | heh .. thanks :-p |
| 11:25.29 | wols_ | enouf: but you could think the same |
| 11:25.31 | danielss89 | oh sorry wols_ its a danish expression.. for exampel :P |
| 11:25.48 | wols_ | danielss89: what sql file? |
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| 11:26.05 | wols_ | chances are, you have to make that file yourself |
| 11:26.15 | danielss89 | a mysql sql drop for creating the database and all the tables.. |
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| 11:27.00 | wols_ | "drop" and "creating the database" does not mix |
| 11:27.06 | wols_ | drop = delet in sql teerms |
| 11:28.56 | metbsd | so where the debian store init script |
| 11:30.10 | enouf | !tell metbsd -about rcconf |
| 11:30.12 | n000b | wols_: many thanks for your help. now it works |
| 11:30.47 | n000b | apparently, pure-ftpd doesn't like |
| 11:30.56 | n000b | smth like Bind 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:30.59 | n000b | but |
| 11:31.03 | enouf | metbsd: i gave you 3 (other) factoids about it not more than 4 hours ago |
| 11:31.04 | n000b | Bind 1.2.3.4,21 |
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| 11:31.32 | n000b | although in its docs port is not mandatory |
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| 11:31.40 | enouf | I'm running out of factoids here metbsd :-/ |
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| 11:32.18 | enouf | or you need to use a better glue .. try DutchBoy paints, and leave the cheaper glidden in Malwart |
| 11:32.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:32.28 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
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| 11:32.47 | liable | hehe |
| 11:33.02 | metbsd | where does debian store the scripts that restart all the daemons |
| 11:33.10 | tarzeau | metbsd: /etc/init.d/ |
| 11:33.23 | disposable | is there a more feature rich alternative to 'newusers'? at least something that uses adduser instead of useradd |
| 11:33.50 | metbsd | thanks |
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| 11:35.55 | enouf | !cluebatsmite the cluless |
| 11:36.00 | enouf | +e |
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| 11:37.36 | enouf | ahhh good ol' dipscitt ananke |
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| 11:42.48 | ste_p_james | I was considering deploying WebClendar. I test drove it in Sarge but now it's not in Etch. Yet according to DSA 127901 it _is_ in Sid. What up? |
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| 11:43.22 | liable | must have had rc bugs |
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| 11:43.58 | liable | ste_p_james: check the bts for it |
| 11:44.29 | ste_p_james | liable: OK, so it's not because it's a Bad Thing |
| 11:44.39 | ste_p_james | I feared it was somehow doomed |
| 11:45.10 | ste_p_james | I'll continue to evaluate it |
| 11:45.14 | ste_p_james | thanks |
| 11:46.16 | liable | ah i forgot about |
| 11:46.37 | liable | !why is webcalender not in testing? |
| 11:46.37 | dpkg | webcalender is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webcalender |
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| 11:47.19 | liable | well, that didnt work |
| 11:47.55 | liable | !why is webcalendar not in testing? |
| 11:47.56 | dpkg | webcalendar is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=webcalendar |
| 11:49.11 | stew | looking at the number of NMUs and the fact that it had a security related NMU in late 2006, i'd guess it got kicked out of the release becuase of bugs |
| 11:49.44 | liable | sounds reasonable |
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| 11:51.49 | stew | ste_p_james: http://changelogs.debian.net/webcalendar if you look there, you will see that it looks like two now maintainers just took over the package and are rapidly improving it to make it release ready again |
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| 11:57.01 | ringo999 | i've mounted an external filesystem to a folder, but how to change the owner of the folder to a non-root user, so I can actually have write access? |
| 11:58.19 | fengor | chown? |
| 11:58.36 | fengor | on the assumption its not mounted with the ro option |
| 11:58.55 | ringo999 | i tired that, but it doesnt work... |
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| 11:59.02 | fengor | or you could give the rights to write with chmod |
| 11:59.13 | liable | umask? |
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| 11:59.47 | ste_p_james | stew, liable: looks good. I'm reassured. thanks for that |
| 12:00.22 | aldin | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list i have 3 DVDs of etch and i need only sources (deb-src) for build-dep can someone help me what to put in my sources.list? |
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| 12:01.11 | liable | aldin: exactly the same as an ordibary line, but deb-src at the start |
| 12:01.51 | aldin | liable: can u give me ordinary line? i have those deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40]/ etch contrib main |
| 12:02.06 | aldin | did install without network acces |
| 12:02.22 | liable | aldin: i dont think the cd's/dvd's have source packages, though i am not sure |
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| 12:02.53 | liable | aldin: you have network now though? |
| 12:03.12 | aldin | liable: nevermind, i cant find nice "wiki" with sources.list examples |
| 12:03.21 | aldin | liable: i have now network |
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| 12:03.42 | psyche_ | where i can configure that X starts when computer starts? |
| 12:03.43 | liable | deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 12:03.45 | Ronin | !tell aldin about mirrors |
| 12:03.53 | psyche_ | what was that file? |
| 12:03.58 | liable | aldin: change to suit your own counntry code |
| 12:04.12 | aldin | liable: thanks |
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| 12:04.31 | aldin | Ronin: thanks too |
| 12:05.39 | wols_ | psyche_: install a display manager |
| 12:05.56 | psyche_ | i have |
| 12:06.02 | wols_ | psyche_: which one? |
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| 12:06.08 | psyche_ | xorg |
| 12:06.15 | wols_ | that is no display manager |
| 12:06.20 | wols_ | that's an X server |
| 12:06.24 | psyche_ | kde |
| 12:06.31 | wols_ | apt-get install kdm |
| 12:06.42 | wols_ | and kde is a desktop environment. not a display manager either |
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| 12:08.31 | zido | Does etch use kernel version 2.6 by default? |
| 12:09.16 | aldin | zido: yes |
| 12:09.17 | wols_ | zido: yes. 2.6.18 |
| 12:09.37 | zido | Okay, thanks. |
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| 12:10.39 | liable | !dict sod |
| 12:10.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sod' (1 of 11): . Sod \Sod\, n. [Akin to LG. sode, D. zode, OD. sode, soode, OFries. satha, and E. seethe. So named from its sodden state in wet weather. See Seethe.] That stratum of the surface of the soil which is filled with the roots of grass, or any portion of that surface; turf; sward.. |
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| 12:11.33 | liable | my mother used to call me a rotten little sod |
| 12:12.12 | wols_ | she's probably a very wise woman |
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| 12:12.57 | liable | wols_: doesnt being a bastard come naturally, or do you have to work on it? :P |
| 12:13.09 | liable | s/doent/does/ |
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| 12:14.50 | wols_ | liable: 100% natural |
| 12:15.00 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 12:15.12 | sobersabre | I am trying to move a server to etch. |
| 12:15.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | What app should I use to dump the audio from an xvid video, and what options do I pass to it? |
| 12:15.37 | sobersabre | the server has a RAID under reiserfs. I am converting the md device to ext3. |
| 12:15.44 | sobersabre | what is better: |
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| 12:16.12 | crazy_penguin | Hi all! |
| 12:16.13 | sobersabre | 1. to reformat to ext3, put backed up data, and then upgrade the server's OS |
| 12:16.19 | MatBoy | does someone has seen that BackupPC is slower in speed than Rsnapshot is ? |
| 12:16.29 | sobersabre | or to backup everyting, and then upgrade and then restore ? |
| 12:16.56 | Octopssy | Does anyone know the following, I've set up my dns server, i changed it in the dhcpd.conf file, and set my dns server (on my linux box) as primairy, and the other one (my router) as secundairy, but still, my mac has in resolv.conf file set 192.168.0.1 (set as secund) as first dns server. Anyone know why? |
| 12:17.25 | Octopssy | It should set my linux box (192.168.0.2) as primairy |
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| 12:17.39 | zapalotta | hello |
| 12:17.48 | sobersabre | Octopssy: have you tried to renew address ? |
| 12:17.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 12:18.13 | zapalotta | Where is a good source about virtualization (e.g. XEN) with debian? |
| 12:18.13 | Octopssy | I don't think darwin has that |
| 12:18.18 | Octopssy | what would the cmd be? |
| 12:18.29 | wols_ | Octopssy: wrong channel for that |
| 12:18.32 | sobersabre | Octopssy: what darwin ?! is it OS X or not ? |
| 12:18.37 | Octopssy | yea. |
| 12:18.44 | Octopssy | darwin is the shell of osx |
| 12:18.48 | sobersabre | well, ask #osx how to renew. |
| 12:18.55 | wols_ | Octopssy: no it is not |
| 12:19.00 | sobersabre | Octopssy: darwin is not a shell of OSX |
| 12:19.06 | sobersabre | :) wols_ |
| 12:19.15 | Octopssy | Welcome to Darwin! |
| 12:19.28 | sobersabre | Octopssy: Welcome to #debian. |
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| 12:19.50 | Octopssy | but dunno what version of shell that is, all I know is that darwin hasnt got some functions bash has |
| 12:19.53 | sobersabre | !tell Octopssy about rtfm |
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| 12:20.12 | wols_ | Octopssy: Darwin is a kernel, bash is a shell |
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| 12:20.31 | wols_ | Octopssy: please research your stuff before you start asking questions |
| 12:20.38 | jelly-home | Darwin is dead |
| 12:20.42 | liable | wouldnt it be iBash ? |
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| 12:20.52 | sobersabre | :) iBash |
| 12:20.54 | stew | it would be tcsh |
| 12:20.55 | Octopssy | dunno, did this osx installation 3 days ago |
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| 12:21.05 | Octopssy | the newest rls out |
| 12:21.11 | stew | Octopssy: please find a channel more appropriate for mac related questions |
| 12:21.14 | sobersabre | Octopssy: still the advices you got apply. |
| 12:21.15 | wols_ | Octopssy: as told before: you#re in the wrong channel for that questin |
| 12:21.17 | Octopssy | okay |
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| 12:21.46 | Octopssy | sorry then |
| 12:22.03 | alpr | hello guys, i need a lil bit help. ive a gameserver set up under root (only for test reason) and when i want to start the server by typing "./soldatserver" it says: "-bash: permission denied" tho im logged in as root?! |
| 12:22.09 | sobersabre | so.. about my Q. what makes more sense: |
| 12:22.09 | liable | ravenbird: where have you been? |
| 12:22.10 | ravenbird | out drinking with the bots. |
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| 12:22.42 | stew | alpr: what is the first line of soldatserver? something like #!/bin/bash? or what? |
| 12:23.06 | sobersabre | to restore the rsync backed up RAID, and then upgrade OS, with an attempt to pickup already created and formatted RAID, or... to backup the whole system, and then upgrade the OS, and then to rebuild the RAID and fill it... ? |
| 12:23.19 | liable | sobersabre: i would, covert, upgrade, restore personally |
| 12:23.34 | sobersabre | liable: please ... explain ... |
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| 12:23.52 | liable | sobersabre: whats to explain? |
| 12:23.53 | sobersabre | I mean, It is a big RAID... relatively. |
| 12:24.00 | sobersabre | 200GB to copy |
| 12:24.16 | xand | big relative to a floppy disk |
| 12:24.21 | liable | convert the file system, this of course should be done first. |
| 12:24.37 | liable | upgrade, this second, due to chances of fucking up |
| 12:24.47 | liable | restore, this of course last |
| 12:24.49 | sobersabre | is there a way to convert on the fly an unmounted reiserfs to ext3 ?! |
| 12:25.01 | sobersabre | :) dreams. |
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| 12:25.04 | xand | o |
| 12:25.07 | xand | no |
| 12:25.23 | sobersabre | ok. |
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| 12:26.00 | derchris | hi folks |
| 12:26.07 | sobersabre | hi folk |
| 12:26.21 | alpr | when im logged in as root, how can i change the user? |
| 12:26.43 | liable | change what about the user? |
| 12:26.48 | sobersabre | alpr: run apropos switch user |
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| 12:27.10 | derchris | I have a problem with a debian installation on a root server |
| 12:27.13 | liable | huh? |
| 12:27.42 | derchris | the system is not coming up |
| 12:27.57 | stew | you run one of the root servers? :P |
| 12:28.22 | liable | no wonder my dns is playing up |
| 12:28.23 | stew | derchris: can you be more specific than "not coming up" what does it do? how far does it get into the boot process? |
| 12:28.49 | derchris | this is the last entry in messages |
| 12:28.55 | derchris | Apr 23 12:03:20 debian kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 12:29.05 | derchris | then nothing more happens |
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| 12:29.40 | stew | derchris: can you start one of the "recovery" kernels listed in the grub menu? |
| 12:29.41 | derchris | I installed it with Debootstrap |
| 12:30.27 | derchris | and kernel is 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 12:32.39 | wols_ | stew: root servres are what called dedis outisde of germany. basically: hoster leases you a (real) machine and some traffic. the marketing term is "root server" sinec you have real root on a real machine |
| 12:32.57 | alprr | ive installed and made run a gameserver over putty (on windows), it worked well, but when i closed the putty window, the server had been shutted down too. how to avoid that? |
| 12:33.12 | wols_ | alprr: apt-get install screen |
| 12:33.15 | wols_ | !screen |
| 12:33.15 | dpkg | from memory, screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
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| 12:35.33 | derchris | at the moment I don't know what might be the problem |
| 12:35.37 | alprr | command not found it says wols_ |
| 12:35.45 | stew | !screen =~ s#or apt-get install screen, or#or aptitude install screen# |
| 12:35.45 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 12:35.57 | Ronin | alprr: as root? |
| 12:36.19 | wols_ | alprr: I don#t believe you that apt-get is not found |
| 12:38.37 | liable | hes not root? |
| 12:38.38 | liable | i'm a little slow tonight |
| 12:38.39 | wols_ | lee: even then. /usr/bin/apt-get |
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| 12:38.40 | wols_ | liable: so if apt-get is not found he can't be running debian |
| 12:38.45 | Ronin | humm debian or ubuntu, he's in both |
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| 12:39.41 | liable | typo i bet |
| 12:39.46 | wols_ | probably |
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| 12:40.30 | h3sp4wn | wols_: afaik - root server can also be a virtual private server (uml or xen or so) |
| 12:41.04 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: not on .de |
| 12:41.18 | wols_ | and that's the first place I heard about rootservers |
| 12:42.02 | h3sp4wn | definately in uk it can mean both (obvious by price which it refers to though) |
| 12:42.16 | udos | hey! I am missing timezone support (KDE just says I have C-UTC) |
| 12:42.33 | udos | !tzselect |
| 12:42.42 | udos | uh |
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| 12:43.04 | wols_ | !tzconfig |
| 12:43.04 | dpkg | somebody said setting time was if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
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| 12:45.28 | udos | I don't have the tzconfig command... only tzselect...which says "timezone files are not set up correctly" |
| 12:45.46 | udos | and no packages with "tzslect" or "tzconfig" |
| 12:45.48 | abrotman | !timezone |
| 12:45.48 | dpkg | timezone is, like, "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 12:45.51 | abrotman | bah |
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| 12:46.07 | liable | humbug |
| 12:46.09 | udos | tzconfig is broken |
| 12:46.20 | udos | what package? |
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| 12:46.29 | liable | its part of libc6 |
| 12:46.45 | liable | !find bin/tzconfig |
| 12:47.00 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/tzconfig' returned no results. |
| 12:47.15 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 12:47.15 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
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| 12:47.36 | liable | udos: what debian version? sarge? |
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| 12:48.09 | udos | no. "unstable" just did an upgrade |
| 12:48.17 | h3sp4wn | my unstable has no tzconfig |
| 12:48.25 | udos | *currect* unstable |
| 12:48.31 | udos | current |
| 12:48.33 | liable | heh, neither does mine now.. |
| 12:48.38 | udos | h3sp4wn: right |
| 12:48.51 | Juice10 | hi, I'm having some troubles with my webserver and I think I don't have enought ram |
| 12:48.54 | udos | *I don't have any timezones anymore* |
| 12:48.54 | abrotman | no tzselect either ? |
| 12:48.59 | liable | it *used* to be in libc6 |
| 12:49.00 | udos | broken |
| 12:49.05 | abrotman | it's been split IIRC |
| 12:49.12 | Juice10 | this is the info from top: Mem: 514440k total, 417908k used, 96532k free, 20732k buffers Swap: 1052248k total, 59356k used, 992892k free, 211428k cached |
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| 12:49.34 | udos | /usr/share/zoneinfo/iso3166.tab: No such file or directory |
| 12:49.34 | liable | ah, right, i have tzselct |
| 12:49.52 | h3sp4wn | has tzselect - apt-file doesn't have tzconfig anywhere though |
| 12:49.58 | udos | missing some files... |
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| 12:50.53 | h3sp4wn | just do the symlink |
| 12:51.19 | h3sp4wn | install tzdata if you don't have it |
| 12:52.05 | udos | ah that's what I meant... |
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| 12:52.34 | udos | "The following NEW packages will be installed..." LOL |
| 12:53.43 | derchris | I have to sleep now. I let the system in booting state. |
| 12:54.07 | derchris | maybe it is done when I wake up |
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| 12:56.43 | udos | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 12:59.37 | darric | strange problem. cannot access localhost but can access other external websites. what's wrong? |
| 12:59.58 | darric | have checked /etc/hosts, localhost and 127.0.0.1 is there. |
| 13:00.18 | petemc | darric: define access |
| 13:00.47 | darric | petemc: have ever surf web? |
| 13:01.34 | petemc | much clearer |
| 13:01.50 | darric | http://localhost gives "Unable to connect". |
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| 13:02.16 | petemc | darric: you're running a webserver on that box? |
| 13:02.27 | darric | no |
| 13:02.36 | petemc | so what do you expect? |
| 13:02.51 | darric | hang on, yes, apache2 . |
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| 13:03.33 | darric | nothing in apache2 access.log or error.log |
| 13:04.00 | liable | this sounds familiar |
| 13:05.09 | eagle1 | hi |
| 13:05.21 | eagle1 | i've checked the docs for the upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 13:05.26 | eagle1 | installed the new kernel |
| 13:05.28 | eagle1 | all ok |
| 13:05.39 | eagle1 | but now when i do a aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 13:05.42 | eagle1 | i have this: |
| 13:05.51 | eagle1 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:05.51 | eagle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.51 | eagle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.01 | eagle1 | how i can fix this before reboot? |
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| 13:06.59 | darric | liable: any suggestion? |
| 13:07.37 | LV-426 | does dpkp -i take care of updating apt's package db? |
| 13:08.15 | sussudio | LV-426: apt uses dpkg, noobsauce. |
| 13:08.29 | darric | its ok now, after i restore /etc/apache2 fr backup and restart apache2. |
| 13:08.43 | darric | bye |
| 13:08.51 | liable | eagle1: i wouldnt be too concerned about that |
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| 13:10.05 | eagle1 | liable, i can reboot? |
| 13:10.10 | liable | sure |
| 13:10.13 | eagle1 | is remote |
| 13:10.15 | eagle1 | server |
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| 13:10.20 | eagle1 | 350 km far from me :D |
| 13:10.29 | liable | eagle1: as long as the other packages upgraded ok |
| 13:10.33 | eagle1 | yes |
| 13:10.41 | eagle1 | kernel udev |
| 13:10.47 | eagle1 | hotplug removed as baseconfig |
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| 13:12.05 | tuvwx | is it possible to install debian using a wireless connection? does debian-installer recognize wireless adapters? |
| 13:12.25 | eagle1 | liable, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 105 not upgraded. |
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| 13:12.53 | markc | would anyone happen to know what the xorg equiv of /usr/X11R6/include is ? |
| 13:13.04 | eagle1 | the aptitude upgrade have upgraded a lot of pkgs, like apache sshd .. etc |
| 13:13.08 | eagle1 | i can reboot? |
| 13:13.13 | liable | eagle1: have you dont the dist-upgrade yet? |
| 13:13.24 | eagle1 | if i do the dist-upgrade |
| 13:13.28 | liable | eagle1: are you following the release notes? |
| 13:13.31 | eagle1 | the only output i recieve |
| 13:13.42 | WannabeNewbie | why am I able to install ubuntu (a debian bi-product) but not debian itself. I try installing debian and it looks for hda drive but I have sda, how do I change that? |
| 13:13.47 | eagle1 | is this unixodbc: Depends: odbcinst1debian1 (>= 2.2.11-3) but it is not installable |
| 13:13.48 | eagle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.51 | tuvwx | should i get the amd64 images for the conroe cpu's? |
| 13:13.55 | alprr | hey, i created a new user and logged in as it and when i try to mkdir, it says "permission denied" ? |
| 13:13.56 | eagle1 | liable, i'm following the release note |
| 13:14.02 | eagle1 | installed the new kernel, etc |
| 13:14.11 | liable | eagle1: aptitude will give you options on how to deal with those two problems, just let them get held back for now |
| 13:14.22 | eagle1 | how? |
| 13:14.28 | eagle1 | no options |
| 13:14.29 | abrotman | eagle1: stop hitting enter so much .. jeez |
| 13:14.40 | eagle1 | abrotman, sorry |
| 13:14.46 | liable | eagle1: it asks if you want to accept the solution.. |
| 13:14.58 | eagle1 | liable, aptitude exit after this. |
| 13:14.59 | alprr | hey, i created a new user and logged in as it and when i try to mkdir, it says "permission denied" ? tho im logged in as that user! |
| 13:14.59 | markc | would anyone happen to know what the xorg equiv of /usr/X11R6/include is ? answer seems to be -> /usr/include/X11 |
| 13:15.18 | stoned | ubuntu is not a debian product |
| 13:15.27 | liable | eagle1: using itr in interactive mode? |
| 13:15.29 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: ^^ |
| 13:15.37 | WannabeNewbie | Bi-product |
| 13:15.42 | stoned | nope |
| 13:15.45 | WannabeNewbie | Ubuntu is based on it |
| 13:15.46 | eagle1 | liable, cli mode, not interactive |
| 13:15.49 | stoned | yes |
| 13:15.54 | stoned | now you're getting somewhere |
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| 13:15.59 | WannabeNewbie | therfore it is a bi-product of the original |
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| 13:16.02 | liable | eagle1: paste the entire output |
| 13:16.04 | stoned | nope |
| 13:16.06 | liable | !paste |
| 13:16.06 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 13:16.13 | stoned | semantics |
| 13:16.19 | markc | stoned, he is trying to install debian |
| 13:16.21 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: what do you want? |
| 13:16.32 | stoned | good man |
| 13:16.33 | WannabeNewbie | Either way, why is it that I can install one debian type system but not debian itself |
| 13:16.41 | stoned | very good decision you made |
| 13:16.44 | stoned | debian is the shizboo |
| 13:16.53 | tuvwx | should i get the amd64 images for the conroe cpu's? |
| 13:17.13 | stoned | maybe i should get out bed first |
| 13:17.30 | WannabeNewbie | Stoned: My problem is that debian when looking for my drive to install on, looks for hda. I have sda, how do I get debian to recognize it? |
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| 13:18.02 | eagle1 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/454168 |
| 13:18.03 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: during the detect disk step in the installer? |
| 13:18.04 | markc | WannabeNewbie: what are you using to install debian ? |
| 13:18.05 | eagle1 | i've used pastebin |
| 13:18.27 | fasta | How can I tell graphviz to draw trees from top to bottom, instead of the other way around? |
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| 13:18.31 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: I am booting from a debian iso that I got from debian |
| 13:19.00 | liable | eagle1: right, paste your sources.list |
| 13:19.45 | eagle1 | k |
| 13:19.52 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: during detect it recognizes everything except my ethernet (which is Nvidia) and my hard drive which is a sda vs. hda |
| 13:20.08 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: which one? Etch? or something in testing? Also have you just let it install on hda.. what it lables the drive is irrelevant |
| 13:20.24 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: which moherboard do you have? |
| 13:20.34 | liable | !info libfam0 lenny |
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| 13:20.55 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: nforce chipset? |
| 13:20.58 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: Asus motherboard 64 bit processor, Etch is the debian version, and it will not recognize hard drive or ethernet at all |
| 13:21.13 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: yes |
| 13:21.25 | aldin | is it ok if i have i386 CD and if want to recompile kernel to put in .config file Turion/Opteron K8? |
| 13:21.39 | aldin | cause it is 64bit cpu |
| 13:21.51 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: hmmm.. no personal experience with this.. but you are trying to install the AMD64 port or i386? |
| 13:22.04 | WannabeNewbie | 64 |
| 13:22.10 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: 64 bit |
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| 13:22.26 | dpkg | libfam0: (Client library to control the FAM daemon), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-12 (lenny), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 13:22.28 | eagle1 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/454171 |
| 13:22.38 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: there might be a network driver support issue in AMD64 for your network chipset. Try non 64bit maybe |
| 13:22.45 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: however, I did try to go x86 but with the same affect |
| 13:22.51 | stoned | hmm |
| 13:23.13 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: It seems that Debian itself just doesn't like my system |
| 13:23.18 | liable | eagle1: did you have testing in there at some stage and changed it? |
| 13:23.58 | liable | eagle1: because the libfam0 it wants to install is in lenny |
| 13:24.06 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: I spent a year building this system to be everything that I wanted, then I wanted to put debian on here and got shot down.. Talk about a bummer. sort of like having a prom without a prom date |
| 13:24.09 | eagle1 | liable, no |
| 13:24.17 | eagle1 | never |
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| 13:24.22 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: you need to tell us which model mobo, and which network chipset you have so that we can probably tell you which driver you would need |
| 13:24.27 | eagle1 | it was a simple sarge at all |
| 13:24.48 | liable | eagle1: remove your isp mirrors, and just use proper debian ones, update and try again |
| 13:25.04 | eagle1 | k |
| 13:25.26 | stoned | WannabeNewbie: the chances of me knowing are slim, but there are 700+ people here. Someone will know if you tell us your exact hardware |
| 13:25.41 | liable | eagle1: what version of libc6 you have now? |
| 13:25.43 | eagle1 | the same |
| 13:25.45 | eagle1 | the last |
| 13:25.50 | liable | which? |
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| 13:26.27 | eagle1 | now i've the etch libc6 installed. i've removed the fastweb mirror and aptitute update and dist-upgrade, but the same output |
| 13:26.45 | stoned | im gonna try to get out of bed and go take a shower |
| 13:26.48 | stoned | later |
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| 13:27.09 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: I have the Asus KN-8V motherboard and AMD64 Opteron processor, Nvidia everything from there on in. My hard drive is recognized as sda1, 2, etc. What else do you need to know? I also dual boot Windows XP from this system |
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| 13:27.47 | eagle1 | libc6 version: Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
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| 13:29.34 | eagle1 | liable, any clue? |
| 13:29.54 | liable | eagle1: put unixodbc and libfam0c102 on hold |
| 13:29.59 | eagle1 | ok |
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| 13:30.24 | WannabeNewbie | stoned: and here's the best part, I am fresh out of disk to burn another ISO to, so is there a way to reboot into a command line and wget the debian system that way? or am I pretty much going to have to work it from a disk? |
| 13:30.31 | eagle1 | ... |
| 13:30.44 | eagle1 | lialbe: now when i do a dist-upgrade i get: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 13:30.44 | eagle1 | E: Unable to correct dependencies, some packages cannot be installed |
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| 13:32.11 | liable | eagle1: libfam0 can be removed without too much hassle, but i dont know what the unixobcd would do for your machine if its a production server |
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| 13:33.07 | eagle1 | liable, i've tryied to remove libfam0 but courier depends from it |
| 13:33.09 | eagle1 | and i need courier :D |
| 13:33.13 | eagle1 | w8 |
| 13:33.47 | liable | !info libfam0c102 sarge |
| 13:33.50 | dpkg | libfam0c102: (client library to control the FAM daemon), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.7.0-6sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 13:34.37 | liable | eagle1: have you put that package on hold or something? |
| 13:34.42 | WannabeNewbie | I have the Asus KN-8V motherboard and AMD64 Opteron processor, Nvidia everything from there on in. My hard drive is recognized as sda1, 2, etc. What else do you need to know? I also dual boot Windows XP from this system |
| 13:34.51 | WannabeNewbie | and here's the best part, I am fresh out of disk to burn another ISO to, so is there a way to reboot into a command line and wget the debian system that way? or am I pretty much going to have to work it from a disk? |
| 13:35.03 | eagle1 | liable, now i've put in unhold libfam0 |
| 13:35.09 | eagle1 | and aptitude have upgraded it! |
| 13:35.29 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 13:36.19 | WannabeNewbie | The only problem that I am having is that once I boot from a debian iso disk, it will not recognize my ethernet card or my sda hard drive |
| 13:36.46 | MarGarina | Hi, any idea how to mount a .bin cd-image file? |
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| 13:37.16 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: what debian versin? |
| 13:37.20 | liable | eagle1: implicetely install odbcinst1debian1 |
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| 13:37.30 | liable | or however you spell it |
| 13:37.32 | petemc | MarGarina: try bchunk |
| 13:37.40 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: what SATA contrller and what ethernet chip? |
| 13:37.44 | eagle1 | m |
| 13:37.47 | eagle1 | k |
| 13:37.54 | WannabeNewbie | all chips are Nvidia |
| 13:37.57 | wols_ | marvil07: bin2iso then mount the iso |
| 13:38.10 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: what debian version? |
| 13:38.14 | WannabeNewbie | wols: what will that link do? |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: what debian version? |
| 13:38.49 | WannabeNewbie | wols: any of the versions, etch and testing versions.. all do the same thing none of which will recognize my ether or drive |
| 13:38.52 | eagle1 | liable, if i install odbcinst1debian1 aptitude will remove A LOT of things like php-mysql and a lot of other stuff |
| 13:39.16 | liable | eagle1: do you usually use apt-get? |
| 13:39.21 | eagle1 | no |
| 13:39.24 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: kernel 2.6.18? |
| 13:39.25 | eagle1 | aptitude :) |
| 13:39.41 | tarzeau | do usb memory sticks, harddisks automatically get mounted in debian etch? |
| 13:39.42 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: there is no testing installer right now afaik |
| 13:39.44 | cydork | WannabeNewbie: which image did you use? |
| 13:39.51 | WannabeNewbie | wols: I am at 2.6.20 |
| 13:39.51 | wols_ | tarzeau: mp |
| 13:40.00 | tarzeau | wols_: no :) |
| 13:40.05 | tarzeau | wols_: off by one |
| 13:40.20 | lhadji | WannabeNewbie is using 3COM 3C940 Gb Lan card.... that's on the asus K8V anyway |
| 13:40.22 | liable | eagle1: ok, so libfam0 is upgraded now? |
| 13:40.28 | tarzeau | wols_: is there any magic or trick i can do to have it mounted by udev or something? |
| 13:40.29 | eagle1 | yes |
| 13:40.30 | lhadji | Not sure which driver that card uses. google will help |
| 13:41.01 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: there is no 2.6.20 installer either except kmuto |
| 13:41.01 | eagle1 | but i cannot unhold the other pkg |
| 13:41.02 | WannabeNewbie | ihadji:how did you do that? |
| 13:41.02 | liable | eagle1: and dist-upgrade still complains about the other? |
| 13:41.02 | wols_ | lhadji: k8v != kn8v |
| 13:41.02 | lhadji | WannabeNewbie, google :) |
| 13:41.05 | lhadji | wols_ it will use the same lan card. for sure. |
| 13:41.23 | eagle1 | liable, after i've holded the unixodbc the dist-upgrade exit with error |
| 13:41.37 | wols_ | lhadji: considering k8v sounds like a via chip and ALL nforce chipsets have built in ethernet: why? |
| 13:41.38 | WannabeNewbie | wols_: I thought you were asking which version of the kernel I have installed currently, Yes you are correct. .18 for deb disk |
| 13:41.42 | dusty-work | HEy when mounting a remote windows xp share using mount -t cifs how do you spoecify the username i can't find it in man 8 mount? |
| 13:42.00 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: if you have 2.6.20 already installed, what is your problem? |
| 13:42.04 | WannabeNewbie | All is nvidia chipset |
| 13:42.06 | tarzeau | dusty-work: -o username=pony |
| 13:42.13 | wols_ | dusty-work: -o username=user |
| 13:42.20 | WannabeNewbie | wols_: I have 2.6.20 in Ubuntu, I want to go straight debian |
| 13:42.22 | liable | eagle1: the broken hold bit? |
| 13:42.30 | eagle1 | please? |
| 13:42.48 | liable | show me the error |
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| 13:43.16 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: install via kmuto an dupgrade |
| 13:43.17 | wols_ | WannabeNewbie: or do a debootstrap if you must |
| 13:43.20 | WannabeNewbie | wols_: where can I find the kmuto? |
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| 13:43.28 | wols_ | !tell WannabeNewbie about kmuto |
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| 13:43.50 | WannabeNewbie | wols_: Thank you |
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| 13:45.51 | eagle1 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/454210 |
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| 13:48.00 | wols_ | eagle1: where is odbcinst1 from? what repo? |
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| 13:48.17 | liable | eagle1: purge aptitude with apt-get. install unixobcd then try a dist-upgrade with aptitude again |
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| 13:48.35 | liable | its in main |
| 13:49.18 | eagle1 | liable, i try with aptitude after his reinstallation, true? |
| 13:49.24 | liable | yep |
| 13:49.26 | eagle1 | k |
| 13:49.40 | WannabeNewbie | When looking at these sarge iso's, should I just shoot for the one that is upto 2.6.20kernel? or something older? |
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| 13:52.26 | pdf | Would this work on an intel p3 system? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2698142&highlight=chroot+jail#post2698142 |
| 13:52.36 | Noboru | can i ask, with 4gb or 2gb ram,do they make big difference in using of offering colocation services for like 30 sites on a server ? |
| 13:52.40 | aldin | just compiled kernel and copied bzimage to /boot, can someone tell me how to make initrd? |
| 13:52.44 | Octopssy | Does anyone know where I can get the bind9's named.conf.options file from (the newest) from a non *.deb file |
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| 13:53.23 | alecs | hi there |
| 13:53.38 | igs | hi. Im getting a erro, if I click on an unmounted usb-device in nautilus: http://pastebin.ca/454233 Can anybody help? When I try this Im a normal user and member of group plugdev, and from the terminal I can mount with pmount, but it have to work over nautilus directly. |
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| 13:53.57 | alecs | there is a possibility to instal window and text mode on the same machine ? |
| 13:54.18 | alecs | i mean to have same configuration files... |
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| 13:54.38 | eagle1 | liable, apt-get as aptitude wil remove a lot of packages |
| 13:54.45 | eagle1 | to install unixodbc |
| 13:55.19 | triplc | alecs: do you mean you get to text mode first, and then startx to get to graphics mode? |
| 13:56.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what app can burn a CD image *.img made with CloneCD for windows? |
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| 13:57.06 | liable | eagle1: actually, paste the error. i think its removing them cause they are being replaced |
| 13:57.27 | igs | gonzaloaf_laptop: ccd2iso |
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| 13:57.39 | alecs | triplc: i mean to be able to use a webbrowser ... to configure, using webmin |
| 13:57.43 | igs | gonzaloaf_laptop: and then burn the iso |
| 13:57.44 | eagle1 | i've purged with dpkg --purge aptitude |
| 13:57.45 | eagle1 | http://pastebin.ca/454239 |
| 13:57.48 | wols_ | pdf: chroot works the same, however you don't need a 32bit chroot since your P3 can't do 64bit computing |
| 13:57.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | igs, doest it have a front end? |
| 13:58.16 | JohnDoh | hi since i upgraded to etch i havent been able to get proftp-mysql to work, i have installed both the proftpd and -mysql packages but then i do `proftpd -l` the sql modules arnt lised, does any one know how to get it working again? thanks |
| 13:58.23 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: I think it's a normal ISO file. possibly a bin but probably not. just try to mount the img |
| 13:58.23 | igs | gonzaloaf_laptop: for what? burning the iso? |
| 13:58.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | igs, nevermind |
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| 13:59.16 | igs | anybody to help me with my little problem? |
| 13:59.33 | triplc | alecs: if i were you, i would not install X windows... just install webmin, and then configure the server from a browser from another machine |
| 13:59.46 | wols_ | !webmin |
| 13:59.46 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 14:00.07 | alecs | triplc: i don' |
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| 14:00.18 | liable | eagle1: that deoesnt look bad to me. except removing cacti. the others are just removing old for new |
| 14:00.21 | alecs | *** i don't have a second machine |
| 14:00.28 | wols_ | alecs: what gui and text mode configs do you mean? |
| 14:00.29 | triplc | alecs: or just install X, then remove gdm (or kdm/xdm) so that it will go to text mode by default |
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| 14:00.47 | triplc | alecs: and then, when i need the gui, i run startx |
| 14:00.47 | liable | eagle1: whats aptitude say? |
| 14:01.13 | triplc | alecs: (remove gdm mean delete that link from /etc/rc2.d) |
| 14:01.17 | eagle1 | the same liable |
| 14:01.21 | alecs | wols_: i would use something like kde or gnome ... |
| 14:01.25 | eagle1 | when aptitude was on the os :) |
| 14:01.37 | triplc | alecs: but as wols_ says, webmin is not quite secure |
| 14:01.50 | liable | eagle1: reinstall it with apt-get, not dpkg |
| 14:01.58 | wols_ | alecs: and that has to do with text mode anything how? |
| 14:02.02 | alecs | triplc: yes... but i'm not confortable weith hhs |
| 14:02.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, mount -o loop file.img /mnt, right? |
| 14:02.22 | wols_ | alecs: you won't be comoftable with someonw owning you either |
| 14:02.23 | mkl1525 | Hi, I'd like to open an url on a remote firefox, tried ssh fo@10.2.2.40 firefox -new-tab "blog.fefe.de" but it fails with "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" cause X-Server tries to show it on my own pc - so is there a way to open the url on the remote firefox? |
| 14:02.23 | eagle1 | liable, have you seen that php-mysql will be removed BUT NOT reinstalled? |
| 14:02.32 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: something like that yes |
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| 14:03.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:03.16 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: then do it? |
| 14:03.34 | alecs | wols_: i'll activate the webmin .... just when i need it .... |
| 14:03.35 | alecs | ;)) |
| 14:03.51 | wols_ | alecs: that still doesn't explain your initial question |
| 14:03.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, what fs would I have to specify? vfat? |
| 14:03.57 | wols_ | 9660 |
| 14:04.01 | wols_ | iso9660 that is |
| 14:04.01 | cydork | mkl1525: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 14:04.17 | liable | eagle1: hr, yeah, it wants to install php4-pgsql.. |
| 14:04.54 | liable | eagle1: doe you have postgress on that box? |
| 14:05.01 | eagle1 | NO |
| 14:05.06 | eagle1 | i've only mysql |
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| 14:05.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, wrong fs type |
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| 14:06.12 | wols_ | ccd2iso then |
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| 14:06.58 | mkl1525 | cydork, thanks for the hint but I don't want to execute firefox on my box just change the firefox url on the remote side |
| 14:06.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, :p |
| 14:07.29 | liable | eagle1: ok, odbcinst1debian1 replaces unixodbc |
| 14:07.51 | eagle1 | so? |
| 14:08.06 | Myelin | Hello, i am a newbie, but i want to install Debian on my machine. My question is that: Is the netinstall minimal CD has the whole base system or is it just to connect to internt for the rest of the system? |
| 14:08.35 | wols_ | Myelin: it has the whole base system |
| 14:08.35 | stew | Myelin: netinstall has a base system. the businesscard does not |
| 14:08.39 | triplc | Myelin: a basic and working system |
| 14:09.04 | wols_ | but you probably don't understand whar a debian base system is: e.g. there is no GUI in base. no KDE or gnome,etc |
| 14:09.12 | Myelin | Great, then i can install firefox and others programs in it myself, right? |
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| 14:09.33 | wols_ | yes. by downloading them from the internet |
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| 14:09.35 | Myelin | I will install the graphical desktop myself as well. |
| 14:09.54 | eagle1 | liable, what i need to do? :) |
| 14:10.14 | Myelin | Thanks for the help. Bye. :) |
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| 14:10.27 | liable | eagle1: gimme 5, trying to see what wants to remove php-mysql |
| 14:10.52 | eagle1 | liable, you are a good boy :* |
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| 14:14.53 | rellik | how can I tell how many file-descriptors I have free? |
| 14:15.11 | JohnDoh | does any one know why proftpd-mysql doesnt seem to install the sql-mysql module any more (after upgrade to etch)? |
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| 14:16.44 | waspius | hello...does anyone know where i can find a manual for httptunel? |
| 14:17.41 | waspius | ?? |
| 14:17.59 | tarzeau | waspius: check /usr/share/doc/httptunnel/ ? |
| 14:18.25 | waspius | tarzeau: ok i will check that thanx...however if there is nothing there |
| 14:18.26 | waspius | ? |
| 14:18.34 | tarzeau | waspius: i checked, there is stuff there |
| 14:18.45 | tarzeau | waspius: you could write a manual page for it and send it to the BTS |
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| 14:18.47 | waspius | cool..thanx |
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| 14:19.40 | liable | eagle1: i cant see why. |
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| 14:20.02 | liable | eagle1: you use apache 1.3? |
| 14:20.05 | eagle1 | liable, i'm stuck at this point with no reason |
| 14:20.12 | eagle1 | no! i use apache 2.0.x |
| 14:20.15 | giupy-away | well, i'm back for fstab problems |
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| 14:22.03 | liable | eagle1: ok, so, have you reinstalled aptitude yet? |
| 14:22.28 | turtle5001 | /# #ubuntu-cn |
| 14:22.53 | eagle1 | liable, i'm trying but now apt-get cannot get rid of this because amavis is not starting |
| 14:22.54 | rellik | how can I tell how many free file-descriptors I have? I am using httperf and getting a lot of fd-unavail errors |
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| 14:23.06 | eagle1 | because the config file is changed from the release in sarge |
| 14:23.13 | eagle1 | how i can fix this? :) |
| 14:23.17 | liable | eagle1: it keeps getting better.. :) |
| 14:23.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone here know how to use Audacity? |
| 14:23.36 | gordonjcp | Dark_Apostrophe: yes |
| 14:23.47 | giupy | i need to make my new hd usable for all users, mount, write, exec ecc....., i've created dir "/storage" like mount point with root, i have this line in fstab "/dev/hdc1 /storage reiserfs rw,user,auto,exec 0 1", however i have problems umounting partiotn, and if i try to create a folder i haven't permission to do that,and i can,'t enter in /stprage too, where i wrong? |
| 14:23.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | gordonjcp: Mind helping me out with a problem? |
| 14:23.54 | eagle1 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/454274 |
| 14:23.57 | gordonjcp | Dark_Apostrophe: I'll try |
| 14:24.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | gordonjcp: It's not so much a problem as me being a newb at the app, but.. :) |
| 14:24.39 | aubade | Anyone here had success getting all of the buttons on the MX518 in working order? |
| 14:24.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | gordonjcp: I've got an audio file. I want to cut away everything from 04:30 |
| 14:25.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | So only the first 4 1/2 mins remain |
| 14:25.04 | gordonjcp | Dark_Apostrophe: as in, lose everything after 04:30? |
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| 14:25.06 | liable | eagle1: how the hell did that happen? did you upgrade that while we been talking? |
| 14:25.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 14:25.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I do that? |
| 14:25.17 | gordonjcp | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, select up to 04:30 and then do Edit->Trim |
| 14:25.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay. Thanks :D |
| 14:25.37 | gordonjcp | my turn to ask a question now, then |
| 14:25.51 | eagle1 | liable, to install aptitude, apt-get will upgrade amavis. but now, i've removed amavis. i'll see the upgrade trouble for his config file later |
| 14:25.59 | liable | eagle1: anyway, i can olnly suggest readin that file |
| 14:26.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | If I know what the answer is, I'll try and help, gordonjcp |
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| 14:26.02 | gordonjcp | I'm running Debian Sarge, with an almost bare install |
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| 14:26.09 | catoblepa | hi |
| 14:26.10 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: as a suggestion, in future, you should just ask the question with the relevant details included rather than asking for a person |
| 14:26.24 | Octopssy | Where should I get the following files from. I think i accidently delled 2,3 bind/named files too much, but now I can't properly install bind9 anymore. These messages I Get when installing |
| 14:26.25 | catoblepa | can I use gpg in my trivial repository? |
| 14:26.27 | stoned | aubade: what is an MX510 |
| 14:26.28 | Octopssy | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `bind9-host' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 14:26.31 | Octopssy | Starting domain name service...: bind/usr/sbin/named: error while loading shared libraries: libbind9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory failed! |
| 14:26.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: I asked generally in the channel, he replied |
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| 14:27.00 | jm|laptop | I used to have icons in Thunar due to gnome-theme-[extras] no I don't what should I do? |
| 14:27.01 | Octopssy | how/where should i fix this from? |
| 14:27.06 | eagle1 | liable, remove amavis, so now aptitude is installed |
| 14:27.12 | eagle1 | if i do a dist-upgrade now |
| 14:27.18 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: no, I mean you should ask "how do I do so and so in Audacity?" rather than "does anyone know anything about Audacity?" |
| 14:27.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, ok? |
| 14:27.38 | stoned | I record with audacity, use it for all my multitracking |
| 14:27.41 | eagle1 | liable, http://pastebin.ca/454282 |
| 14:27.46 | stoned | I read tutorials and docs instead of asking people |
| 14:27.50 | stoned | that might help you know |
| 14:27.53 | stoned | also try #audacity |
| 14:28.13 | aubade | stoned: Logitech mouse, actually using a MX518. |
| 14:28.26 | xsdg | Dark_Apostrophe: in the first case, people might not be around when you ask, but might see your question later and respond. That can't happen if you ask the second type of question |
| 14:28.29 | stoned | aubade: xmodmap perhaps |
| 14:28.35 | gordonjcp | when I try to restart openbsd-inetd, I get "Restarting internet superserver: inetd/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd: line 68: start-stop-daemon: command not found" |
| 14:28.37 | stoned | aubade: how many buttons? |
| 14:28.44 | gordonjcp | any thoughts? |
| 14:29.03 | aubade | Seven. |
| 14:29.10 | gordonjcp | I haven't changed /etc/inetd.conf yet |
| 14:29.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | xsdg: Got it, thanks. :) |
| 14:29.27 | xsdg | gordonjcp: umm... is dpkg properly installed? |
| 14:29.38 | gordonjcp | xsdg: I don't know how I'd check |
| 14:29.48 | xsdg | gordonjcp: the dpkg package provides /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 14:29.56 | gordonjcp | xsdg: I've managed to install other packages with apt, if that's any help |
| 14:30.04 | stoned | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel |
| 14:30.10 | stoned | scroll down until you see the mouse listed |
| 14:30.19 | xsdg | gordonjcp: ok; ls -l /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
| 14:30.26 | stoned | aubade: look in there |
| 14:30.33 | gordonjcp | xsdg: it's ok, I'm a muppet |
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| 14:30.57 | gordonjcp | xsdg: I was doing "sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart" which isn't passing the correct environment |
| 14:31.16 | gordonjcp | thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
| 14:31.27 | aubade | stoned: Alright, gonna give it a go. |
| 14:31.35 | liable | eagle1: that doesnt look too bad |
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| 14:32.07 | stoned | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Mouse+Buttons |
| 14:32.09 | stoned | this too |
| 14:32.12 | stoned | learn to google |
| 14:32.18 | xsdg | gordonjcp: cool; np |
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| 14:32.47 | eagle1 | liable, good |
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| 14:33.14 | liable | eagle1: just the couriermysql which i geuss is replaced |
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| 14:33.40 | py_ | hello |
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| 14:34.02 | stoned | hmm |
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| 14:34.19 | aubade | 'oly crap, that was simple. lol |
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| 14:34.27 | Octopssy | Is there any tool for debian which lets u undo a rm -rf u just did? |
| 14:34.35 | stoned | aubade: google is awesome, innit |
| 14:34.39 | tarzeau | Octopssy: no. which filesystem? |
| 14:34.40 | telmich | Octopssy: in general: no. |
| 14:34.46 | Octopssy | ext3 |
| 14:34.53 | liable | eagle1: ya, courier-authlib replaces it |
| 14:34.53 | xsdg | Octopssy: what directory? |
| 14:34.54 | telmich | Octopssy: though some filesystems may be easier than others to recover |
| 14:34.55 | tarzeau | Octopssy: forget it |
| 14:34.56 | tarzeau | !backups |
| 14:34.56 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 14:35.16 | stoned | ext2 can undelete |
| 14:35.18 | stew | Octopssy: you can't undelete from ext3 without doing it by hand |
| 14:35.35 | py_ | I have a box with a NIC which needs an out-of-the tree module to work. I compiled it, copied it to /lib/modules/..., ran depmod, then modprobe'd it, and it is running fine. Now, what should I do to get it loaded at boot "automagically", as all the other modules on the box are (it is running debian etch, with a stock kernel) |
| 14:35.38 | Octopssy | okay |
| 14:35.55 | wols_ | py_: put it into /etc/modules |
| 14:36.04 | stoned | py_: /etc/modules |
| 14:36.54 | Trewas | Octopssy: for certain types of data there are programs that can automagically try to recover files, like recoverjpeg for jpeg images |
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| 14:37.27 | Octopssy | ah nm well thing is |
| 14:37.29 | Octopssy | Where should I get the following files from. I think i accidently delled 2,3 bind/named files too much, but now I can't properly install bind9 anymore. These messages I Get when installing |
| 14:37.34 | Octopssy | dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `bind9-host' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 14:37.41 | Octopssy | Starting domain name service...: bind/usr/sbin/named: error while loading shared libraries: libbind9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory failed! |
| 14:37.52 | stoned | Trewas: that looks for file patterns in the raw data |
| 14:37.58 | Octopssy | These things I need to have to install bind9 properly |
| 14:38.03 | surgeon | hi all |
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| 14:38.47 | py_ | wols_, stoned: thanks a lot |
| 14:38.56 | Trewas | stoned: yep, isn't that the only method for recovering files from ext3? |
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| 14:39.06 | stoned | Trewas: unfortunately yes |
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| 14:39.09 | surgeon | who knows ln ?? I want that link referred in anywhere at not found a original file :( |
| 14:39.25 | surgeon | it's real on solaris =) |
| 14:39.26 | stoned | Trewas: since the inode is wiped |
| 14:39.46 | Octopssy | Anyone got an idea about this? |
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| 14:39.56 | giupy | wols_: ehi, any idea to resolve my prob ? :) |
| 14:39.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it me, or are the apt servers really slow today? |
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| 14:40.17 | stoned | Trewas: well technically it is just zeroed out, but consider it wiped |
| 14:40.52 | stoned | Trewas: this was introduced they the journaling functions. ext2 merely marks those inode entries as unsed instead of wiping them out |
| 14:41.02 | stoned | s/they/by |
| 14:41.21 | stoned | i'd rather take journaling than undelete anyday |
| 14:41.25 | stoned | just use backups eh :) |
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| 14:42.03 | Trewas | yeah, backups are better :) |
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| 14:42.27 | systemv | how to mv directoty another volume |
| 14:42.28 | xsdg | Octopssy: apt-get --reinstall install libbind9-30 bind9 |
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| 14:42.50 | xsdg | systemv: could you be more specific, please? |
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| 14:43.21 | Octopssy | xsdg: E: Couldn't find package libbind9-30 |
| 14:43.27 | systemv | mv /source and windows /c /to antoher directory |
| 14:43.45 | xsdg | Octopssy: oh... what branch are you using? (stable? testing?) |
| 14:43.53 | systemv | how to move directtiy recuseivly |
| 14:44.04 | xsdg | systemv: mv is recursive |
| 14:44.14 | wols_ | options default,user will do it |
| 14:44.33 | systemv | failed to preserve ownership for `/windows/C/bsnl/security/dsl/xDSLFAQ.htm': Operation not permitted |
| 14:44.39 | py_ | does someone know of an IRC channel dedicated to mondo(archive|rescue) ? |
| 14:44.45 | wols_ | giupy: paste "ls -al /storage" |
| 14:44.45 | xsdg | systemv: FAT doesn't support permissions |
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| 14:44.50 | xsdg | unix permissions* |
| 14:44.57 | stew | any permissions |
| 14:45.18 | giupy | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 48 2007-04-23 16:40 . drwxr-xr-x 29 root root 816 2007-04-23 16:40 .. |
| 14:45.23 | systemv | how it can be done |
| 14:45.34 | systemv | samba ? |
| 14:45.35 | vorsprung | I wonder if cygwin does unix permissions on FAT? |
| 14:45.38 | xsdg | systemv: no |
| 14:45.40 | wols_ | systemv: no way |
| 14:45.48 | wols_ | well. UMSDOS but it's deprecated |
| 14:45.48 | petemc | vorsprung: it does on ntfs |
| 14:45.51 | xsdg | systemv: you can move things, but you will lose ownership information |
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| 14:46.05 | d1zzy | hello I am trying to recompile the glibc dpkg (in order to increase PATH_MAX) but I get a strange error at some point: sed: can't read libc.texinfo: No such file or directory |
| 14:46.17 | vorsprung | petemc, yeah. I suppose on FAT there is nowhere to store the perms flags |
| 14:46.22 | systemv | no problem even if i lose permission but how it can be done |
| 14:46.24 | xsdg | d1zzy: sounds like it's trying to create some documentation |
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| 14:46.49 | wols_ | !find libc.texinfo |
| 14:46.49 | gordonjcp | vorsprung: umsdos stored the metadata in a file |
| 14:46.53 | d1zzy | xsdg: yeah, probably part of the build instructions |
| 14:46.55 | xsdg | systemv: mv /dir1 /destination/ (will move /dir1 to /destination/dir1) |
| 14:47.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libc.texinfo' returned no results. |
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| 14:47.41 | gordonjcp | vorsprung: iirc it was called --linux-.--- or something |
| 14:47.46 | xsdg | d1zzy: my best guess (assuming that file's not in the sources) would be that it's supposed to create libc.texinfo in some previous step with a program that you don't have available |
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| 14:47.55 | eagle1 | liable, i've dist-upgraded everything |
| 14:48.05 | eagle1 | no error here.. i try to reboot right? |
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| 14:48.53 | d1zzy | xsdg: that could be but it lets me start the build process without complaining of missing required packages to build (initially I had some missing packages that it complained and I installed) |
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| 14:49.39 | Octopssy | xsdg: Any idea? |
| 14:50.48 | hagisbasheruk | Debian installer doesn't have my zydas zd1211 in the network settings even though zd1211rw was included in linux kernel from 2.6.18-rc1 any ideas why its not on Network Install CD for etch? |
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| 14:51.46 | liable | eagle1: all good? |
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| 14:52.38 | h3sp4wn | hagisbasheruk: still needs firmware |
| 14:53.18 | giupy | wols_: do i need umask option ? |
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| 14:53.58 | catoblepa | bye. |
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| 14:54.11 | hagisbasheruk | what do you mean h3sp4wn ? |
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| 14:54.35 | h3sp4wn | !info zd1211-firmware |
| 14:54.37 | dpkg | zd1211-firmware: (Firmware images for the zd1211 and zd1211rw wireless drivers), section non-free/base, is extra. Version: 2.16.0.0-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 14:54.49 | h3sp4wn | Its in non-free so it cannot be on the installation cd |
| 14:54.56 | liable | never even heard of it |
| 14:55.07 | h3sp4wn | without the firmware the driver is useless |
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| 14:55.36 | hagisbasheruk | thats just stupid man |
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| 14:56.20 | eagle1 | rebooted |
| 14:56.29 | eagle1 | everything work i think |
| 14:56.35 | fengor | why should that be stupid hagisbasheruk ? |
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| 14:56.53 | hagisbasheruk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.44 | Octopssy | apt-get --reinstall install libbind9-30 bind Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done E: Couldn't find package libbind9-30 |
| 14:57.48 | Octopssy | any idea what file i should get ?> |
| 14:58.23 | hagisbasheruk | zd1211rw is not the vendor based one |
| 14:58.25 | liable | just try libbind-9 |
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| 14:59.11 | liable | and if you have a debian kernel, then you would use it |
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| 14:59.17 | Octopssy | E: Couldn't find package libbind9 |
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| 14:59.32 | Octopssy | i have |
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| 14:59.43 | liable | libbind9-0 |
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| 14:59.53 | liable | !tell Octopssy -about search |
| 15:00.11 | Octopssy | nm im just being stupid |
| 15:00.13 | Octopssy | thx liable |
| 15:00.28 | liable | laters |
| 15:00.28 | triplc | how to get wacom run? i used to "apt-get install wacom-kernel-source" and then "dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source", but now it no longer work |
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| 15:02.11 | giupy | well, do i need an umask option to have all permission over a partition with reiserfs ? |
| 15:02.13 | triplc | while i was using kenel 2.6.17-2-686 (etch was testing then) it worked, but after it is upgrade to later kernel (i am using etch 2.6.18-4-686), that "dpkg-reconfigure wacom..." results error |
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| 15:03.05 | triplc | i search internet, but they just say i need to run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:03.09 | xsdg | triplc: what error? |
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| 15:03.38 | Stalwart | anyone here with selinux experience? |
| 15:03.49 | xand | !anyone |
| 15:03.49 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:03.56 | triplc | xsdg: let me run again and show you |
| 15:04.04 | Stalwart | ah |
| 15:04.33 | triplc | xsdg: last output of the error is: make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/wacom' |
| 15:04.36 | triplc | make: *** [kdist_image] Error 2 |
| 15:04.39 | Stalwart | sshd segfaults if selinux is enabled |
| 15:04.44 | Stalwart | etch |
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| 15:05.06 | xsdg | triplc: ok; look for an error occurring above that (the line should have "error" in it in some form, I believe) |
| 15:05.16 | xored | iam running into serious CPU-Idle problems. Iam running a opteron 1GB ram with an raid 1. I have a apache2 server / mysql 5 server running, arround 100k entrys ( maximum ) in the DB, traffic in the month ( < 200GB, so not that much visitors). Problem. mysql / apache CPU usage spikesup to 90% ever 2/3 seconds..any ideas ? |
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| 15:05.18 | triplc | xsdg: but the most suspicious message is in the middle of that long long list: BUILD ENVIRONMENT: architecture - i486-linux-gnu linux kernel - yes 2.4 |
| 15:05.22 | d0uglas | Hi. Want to go dual-head on my laptop with an extended virtual desktop or whatever to a separate monitor. lspci says i got an Intel 82852/855GM. Do I want xinerama? twinview? thanks |
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| 15:06.15 | triplc | xsdg: it detect my computer as 2.4, while it is 2.6... i onced checked back with the old kernel (2.6.17), and i saw that i detect 2.6 |
| 15:06.31 | xsdg | d0uglas: xinerama will let you move windows from one screen to another, but won't let you dynamically add/remove a screen |
| 15:06.35 | xsdg | triplc: weird |
| 15:06.54 | xsdg | d0uglas: you probably want twinview, even though you won't be able to move windows from one screen to another |
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| 15:07.05 | triplc | now i cannot goback to 2.6.17 because it's nolonger in the repo |
| 15:07.27 | d0uglas | xsdg: okay.. so do i want to apt get xdmx? |
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| 15:07.38 | xsdg | d0uglas: dunno |
| 15:07.45 | d0uglas | well i'll try it and see |
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| 15:07.46 | d0uglas | thanks |
| 15:07.54 | xsdg | d0uglas: yup; good luck |
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| 15:09.43 | jimbalaya | are there known issues w/ Python in Etch? |
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| 15:10.34 | RichiH | jimbalaya: check bdo |
| 15:10.38 | RichiH | !bdo |
| 15:10.38 | dpkg | i guess bdo is ask my about <bts>also http://backports.debian.org ask me about <backports> |
| 15:10.41 | RichiH | erm |
| 15:10.44 | RichiH | !bugs |
| 15:10.46 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
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| 15:10.55 | jimbalaya | heh |
| 15:10.58 | RichiH | jimbalaya: bugs.debian.org |
| 15:11.02 | jimbalaya | thanks |
| 15:11.06 | RichiH | np |
| 15:11.07 | xsdg | heh |
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| 15:17.18 | lnx^ | hey |
| 15:17.22 | lnx^ | i have a B2 size pdf |
| 15:17.27 | lnx^ | i.e. 50 x 70,7cm |
| 15:17.33 | lnx^ | how can i divide it into 3x3 A4s so i can print it out? |
| 15:17.41 | lnx^ | or how can i print it as 9 a4s? |
| 15:18.39 | pdf | i'm not really sure. Have you tried #kpdf |
| 15:19.38 | cahoot | a2ps? |
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| 15:22.21 | alanhaggai | Is iptables the default firewall in Debian Etch? |
| 15:22.53 | petemc | alanhaggai: there isnt a firewall, by default - but if you install one, it will in all likelihood use iptables |
| 15:22.56 | rahul | alanhaggai: iptables is the firewall in linux. period. |
| 15:23.16 | alanhaggai | Ok. |
| 15:23.17 | stoned | yo |
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| 15:25.09 | stew | iptables it he userspace program for editing netfilter rules which is the firewall in linux :-P |
| 15:25.37 | systemv | is there any tool to remove tmp /var log files |
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| 15:29.44 | omry__ | hi all, using etch, many X programs wont start - firefox, xchat, gaim, thunderbird etc. when I run them I get "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)" , any idea? (just made a dist upgrade and it didn't help) |
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| 15:31.03 | stoned | it he? is the*? |
| 15:31.10 | stoned | nm im retarded |
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| 15:31.25 | lnx^ | cahoot: how would you do that using a2ps..? |
| 15:31.29 | jair | have anyone here ever try to configure a "wireless LEAP" account in debian? I am reading couple of documents but got very close I may just be missiong something small I am almost there, I will appreciate anyones suggestions. |
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| 15:35.42 | Myelin | Hello, i have been searching about Debian apt get install database. Is this the corret site www.debianapt.info and so the names written in the browse directory for any program is the name i should write to safely install that program after minimal installation? |
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| 15:36.02 | rahul | stoned: retard |
| 15:36.15 | stoned | Myelin: you want which database? postgre or mysql? |
| 15:36.28 | stoned | Myelin: after a base install, apt-get install mysql-server or postgre if you want |
| 15:36.29 | Myelin | No database of packages? |
| 15:36.43 | Myelin | all of them. |
| 15:37.11 | stoned | Myelin: would be in /etc/apt/sources.list if you have the correct mirror, then apt-get update and it will update the entire package database |
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| 15:37.19 | stoned | Myelin: you want to dl the entire debian package list ina text file? |
| 15:37.22 | stoned | that i dunno how to do |
| 15:37.30 | stoned | list should be somewhere on debian.org |
| 15:37.30 | CharminTheMoose | ping... |
| 15:37.36 | stoned | rahul: drunkard! |
| 15:37.49 | vin` | Myelin: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:38.13 | Myelin | No only to findt he name of correct package to install like for thnuderbird, i should write apt get install thunderbird, right? |
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| 15:38.21 | stoned | Myelin: yes |
| 15:38.26 | stoned | !tell Myelin -about search |
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| 15:38.48 | stoned | Myelin: apt-get* not apt get |
| 15:38.51 | HD|Laptop | hi |
| 15:38.54 | stoned | Myelin: and try to use aptitude instead |
| 15:39.01 | stoned | !tell Myelin -about why aptitude |
| 15:39.03 | HD|Laptop | does anyone know a lightweight web browser? |
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| 15:39.07 | HD|Laptop | (for xfce) |
| 15:39.08 | stoned | HD|Laptop: dillo |
| 15:39.24 | stoned | HD|Laptop: iceweasel too, or links2 -g |
| 15:39.38 | HD|Laptop | iceweasel is hell slow here |
| 15:39.40 | Myelin | Thanks for the help guys. :) |
| 15:39.46 | stoned | HD|Laptop: then try dillo |
| 15:39.49 | HD|Laptop | 233mhz cpu |
| 15:39.50 | HD|Laptop | ok |
| 15:40.05 | stoned | !dillo |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | dillo is a GTK+ based browser that's small, stable, developer-friendly, usable, fast, and extensible. |
| 15:40.22 | HD|Laptop | !firefox |
| 15:40.22 | dpkg | hmm... firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 15:40.27 | HD|Laptop | o_O |
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| 15:40.42 | stoned | !iceweasel |
| 15:40.42 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 15:40.57 | stoned | HD|Laptop: how much ram do you have? |
| 15:40.59 | rahul | stoned: I didn't get drunk this weekend |
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| 15:41.02 | rahul | except for 4/20 :) |
| 15:41.04 | stoned | rahul: parents? |
| 15:41.05 | HD|Laptop | stoned, 192mb |
| 15:41.08 | rahul | yeah |
| 15:41.19 | rahul | !assbadger |
| 15:41.21 | stoned | HD|Laptop: you should be ok with dillo, or iceweasel too |
| 15:41.26 | HD|Laptop | rahul, how old are you? |
| 15:41.38 | stoned | rahul: i woulda came over your house, but i was busy cleaning my room and working on my servers |
| 15:41.43 | rahul | HD|Laptop: infnitely old |
| 15:41.45 | stoned | rahul: i finally got it all hooked up and now im on debian! |
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| 15:41.50 | rahul | stoned: yay! |
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| 15:41.58 | HD|Laptop | rahul, lol |
| 15:42.00 | HD|Laptop | ASL? |
| 15:42.00 | stoned | rahul: this weekend lets get drunk |
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| 15:42.21 | stoned | rahul: I'm not sure if I have to work on the weekend, i'll let you know |
| 15:42.50 | rahul | stoned: hrm, 28th I'm going to dirty bomb at the delancey |
| 15:42.57 | HD|Laptop | stoned, does dillo support javascript? |
| 15:43.03 | stoned | HD|Laptop: not sure |
| 15:43.05 | rahul | divide is playing and honor among thieves is having a reuinion show |
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| 15:43.10 | stoned | HD|Laptop: google it |
| 15:43.29 | HD|Laptop | k |
| 15:43.51 | stoned | rahul: im gonna get 1100$ in my account on 27th |
| 15:43.52 | stoned | :D |
| 15:44.01 | stoned | IRS tax refund! |
| 15:44.18 | rahul | heh |
| 15:44.23 | stoned | i didn't even i made that much money last year |
| 15:44.26 | stoned | i only worked like 4 months |
| 15:44.27 | rahul | be sure not to blow it all on the 28th |
| 15:44.27 | stoned | lol |
| 15:44.30 | rahul | haha |
| 15:44.57 | rahul | stoned: EIC? |
| 15:44.57 | stoned | eic? |
| 15:44.57 | rahul | earned income credit |
| 15:44.57 | HD|Laptop | !eic? |
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| 15:44.58 | rahul | you can profit off taxes |
| 15:44.59 | stoned | i dunno nothin bout finances man |
| 15:44.59 | stoned | :( |
| 15:45.11 | rahul | ooo mutual fund annual reports |
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| 15:45.21 | stoned | quit talkin in french please |
| 15:45.31 | rahul | Royce's report is always fun reading. and they have a cool cartoon on the back of each one |
| 15:45.58 | rahul | whoa |
| 15:46.09 | stoned | rahul: talk to me about how to modulate from a Dominant 7th chord to an augmented triad in a 19 tone octave while changing "keys" |
| 15:46.10 | rahul | rubbermaid's annual report is a freaking novel |
| 15:46.20 | rahul | I'll show you my keys |
| 15:46.22 | stoned | lol |
| 15:46.57 | vin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.07 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.11 | stoned | ahh |
| 15:47.14 | stoned | fuck it |
| 15:47.21 | rahul | heh |
| 15:47.21 | stoned | peterS makes the best lol dude |
| 15:47.28 | rahul | lawl? |
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| 15:47.51 | stoned | no |
| 15:47.56 | stoned | "the lol dude" |
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| 15:47.59 | stoned | with the legs and stuff |
| 15:48.04 | rahul | hehe |
| 15:48.11 | rahul | lol |
| 15:48.13 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.17 | rahul | blah |
| 15:48.21 | stoned | you broke his spine |
| 15:48.31 | rahul | yeah :\ |
| 15:49.03 | rahul | and his legs are so twisted up that they spell "blah" |
| 15:49.10 | stoned | haha |
| 15:49.23 | rahul | so this chick was cool |
| 15:49.35 | stoned | word |
| 15:49.45 | rahul | except it doesn't seem like she drinks or tokes |
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| 15:49.59 | jelly-home | that's even more cool |
| 15:50.02 | rahul | bah |
| 15:50.03 | stoned | shes useless |
| 15:50.07 | stoned | ditch her |
| 15:50.21 | stoned | jelly-home: for you and the straignt people, or.. losers :) |
| 15:50.22 | stoned | j/k |
| 15:50.34 | rahul | I could teach her how to drink |
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| 15:50.43 | alper | hey guys, i have a directory (with files), which i wanna del |
| 15:50.46 | alper | but it doesnt work |
| 15:50.52 | rahul | !doesn't work |
| 15:50.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 15:50.52 | alper | sudo rm -f doesnt work |
| 15:50.54 | stoned | alper: rm -rd /blah |
| 15:50.59 | loesh | alper, -rf |
| 15:50.59 | alper | kk thx |
| 15:51.03 | alper | ill check it out |
| 15:51.09 | stoned | alper: -r == recursive, -d == directory |
| 15:51.20 | stoned | alper: man rm |
| 15:51.22 | stoned | read it |
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| 15:51.31 | stew | you don't want to use -d |
| 15:51.36 | stoned | why not? |
| 15:51.42 | stoned | subdirs? |
| 15:51.44 | rahul | it'll leak inodes |
| 15:51.49 | stoned | hmm |
| 15:51.53 | stoned | I was not aware of this |
| 15:51.54 | rahul | you'll need to fsck afterwards |
| 15:51.59 | stew | stoned: do you have a filesystem that allows directory hardlinking? |
| 15:52.05 | stoned | no i do not |
| 15:52.15 | stew | stoned: are you confusing -d with -r? |
| 15:52.21 | stoned | no I am not |
| 15:52.30 | rahul | then I shall penixstrike you |
| 15:52.31 | stoned | I am used to issuging -d instead of -f |
| 15:52.36 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 15:52.36 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:52.42 | stoned | which would explain my frequent fsck |
| 15:52.46 | stoned | omg |
| 15:52.53 | jelly-home | AGAIN! |
| 15:52.56 | stoned | dude you're obsessed with the penis |
| 15:52.57 | stoned | goddam |
| 15:53.00 | rahul | what penis? |
| 15:53.02 | stoned | penix |
| 15:53.05 | rahul | yes |
| 15:53.08 | jelly-home | !penixstrike stoned |
| 15:53.08 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:53.13 | stoned | hey cut it out |
| 15:53.15 | stoned | :( |
| 15:53.19 | rahul | haha |
| 15:53.35 | jelly-home | stoned: it's already cut :-) |
| 15:53.41 | rahul | doh! |
| 15:53.41 | systemv | how do i find *.exe file and list them is file size order ==== find . -iname "*.exe" -print and how to list and sort ? |
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| 15:54.09 | stew | stoned: find -iname "*.exe" | xargs ls -S |
| 15:54.18 | stew | systemv: ^^ |
| 15:54.18 | stoned | stew: thanks, I guess :) |
| 15:54.20 | systemv | thanks |
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| 15:54.43 | systemv | stew: ^^ ? |
| 15:54.48 | stoned | it means look up |
| 15:54.55 | stoned | two upwords carrots |
| 15:54.57 | alper | how to delete a user? |
| 15:55.01 | rahul | stoned: porcupine tree is coming into town may 19 |
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| 15:55.03 | stoned | deluser |
| 15:55.07 | alper | k thx |
| 15:55.19 | systemv | iname to ignore file cap or small right ? |
| 15:55.29 | alper | -bash: deluser: command not found |
| 15:55.29 | stoned | alper: if you really want to thank me, type out the full word, thank you, or thanks |
| 15:55.34 | stoned | thx isn't a word. :( |
| 15:55.38 | jelly-home | alper: userdel ? |
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| 15:55.52 | alper | -bash: userdel: command not found |
| 15:55.59 | alper | well.. im at a server |
| 15:56.11 | rahul | oh that's right. rice alumni college is the same day |
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| 15:56.37 | valdyn | alper: /usr/sbin/deluser |
| 15:56.39 | rahul | and symphony X is playing the same day as PT is playing in boston :\ |
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| 15:56.48 | rahul | stoned: we gotta go see SX!! |
| 15:56.52 | stoned | they rock |
| 15:56.55 | stoned | I love michael romeo |
| 15:57.11 | stoned | i don't care for faggy vocals tough |
| 15:57.13 | stoned | though* |
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| 15:57.20 | omry__ | or some unknown reason many X programs are crashing for me (seg fault or double free), usign etch after a dist-upgrade. can anyone help me figure this out? |
| 15:57.21 | rahul | better than dream theater's |
| 15:57.23 | stoned | alper: do it as root/sudo |
| 15:57.24 | jelly-home | alper: you are either not running as root, or the PATH variable doesn't contain /usr/sbin, which would be strange |
| 15:57.24 | andy_ | is updating my 3.1 installation to 4.0 as easy as replacing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get distupgrade ? |
| 15:57.41 | jelly-home | andy_: no |
| 15:57.41 | alper | i wasnt root indeed |
| 15:57.48 | stoned | andy_: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:57.48 | andy_ | jelly-home, ah, too bad :D |
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| 15:58.43 | systemv | stew: ^^ ? can u pls tell me what u say (^^) |
| 15:58.46 | stoned | omry__: glibc problems? |
| 15:58.57 | stoned | systemv: it means "look up" |
| 15:59.09 | stoned | systemv: its like saying ^ == up arrow |
| 15:59.11 | stoned | get it? |
| 15:59.16 | systemv | sorry can u pls explain i am new to linux |
| 15:59.17 | stew | systemv: i meant for you to please refer to the line above where I said something to stoned which i really intended for you |
| 15:59.27 | stew | systemv: forget about ^^ |
| 15:59.28 | omry__ | stoned: very possible, but how do I solve it? |
| 15:59.37 | alper | guys, it says: |
| 15:59.37 | alper | h1277762:~ # sudo userdel Soldat |
| 15:59.37 | alper | no "crontab for Soldat |
| 15:59.37 | alper | " |
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| 15:59.42 | stoned | omry__: no clue.. exact error message please |
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| 16:00.08 | systemv | rahul>doh! |
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| 16:00.10 | systemv | <stew>stoned: find -iname "*.exe" | xargs ls -S |
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| 16:00.11 | systemv | <stew>systemv: ^^ |
| 16:00.15 | omry__ | stoned: firefox just segfaults. (Segmentation fault) |
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| 16:00.33 | omry__ | stoned: xchat gives this: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x080ef738 *** |
| 16:00.42 | stoned | omry__: hmmm |
| 16:00.55 | systemv | stoned: sorry still i am not |
| 16:00.57 | stoned | dunno, someone else might know |
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| 16:01.03 | stew | systemv: i said "stoned: find -iname "*.exe" | xargs ls -S" but i meant to say "systemv find -iname "*.exe" | xargs ls -S" |
| 16:01.04 | omry__ | stoned: thunderbird also segfaults, and mozilla. |
| 16:01.08 | stoned | systemv: don't worry about ^^ |
| 16:01.09 | systemv | i tryed this command but getting some error |
| 16:01.13 | stoned | systemv: forget ^^ |
| 16:01.19 | stew | systemv: what error? |
| 16:01.21 | stoned | there is no command called ^^ |
| 16:01.45 | stoned | "^^" means Look at the line above in IRC. it is not a linux command |
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| 16:02.14 | stoned | omry__: all of them will yes |
| 16:02.18 | systemv | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.20 | systemv | xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option |
| 16:02.21 | systemv | ls: ./beta/hack/Sub: No such file or directory |
| 16:02.22 | stoned | omry__: not sure what to tell you |
| 16:02.54 | stew | systemv: in that case: find -iname "*.exe" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -S |
| 16:03.00 | omry__ | stoned: its all started about a month ago on a dist upgrade. (I didn't use this box since). |
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| 16:03.20 | stoned | omry__: etch wasn't released a month ago .. was it? |
| 16:03.26 | stoned | !release history |
| 16:03.26 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-03-08). The next release will be lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 16:03.31 | omry__ | stoned: I`m on testing |
| 16:03.32 | systemv | print0 ? what it mean |
| 16:03.42 | stoned | omry__: check the BTS concerning glibc |
| 16:03.44 | stoned | maybe |
| 16:03.50 | stew | systemv: to delimit the output with \0 instead of \n |
| 16:04.02 | omry__ | stoned: you know enough about gdb to get a stacktarce out of a core dump? |
| 16:04.03 | systemv | ok |
| 16:04.05 | systemv | thanks |
| 16:04.08 | omry__ | might give a hint |
| 16:04.20 | stoned | omry__: not really |
| 16:04.24 | stew | systemv: and xargs -0 tells it to expect this delimiter instead of whitespace delimiters |
| 16:04.24 | stoned | im a pothead |
| 16:04.28 | stoned | if that explains anything |
| 16:04.42 | omry__ | I`m sure it makes sense to someone :) |
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| 16:04.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:04.58 | systemv | ok |
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| 16:05.18 | stoned | im not a linux/debian guru, I know enough to admin and get by.. troubleshooting not very good, at least with software. I'm a hardware man mostly |
| 16:05.42 | Throat | stupid naming convention in debian |
| 16:05.51 | stoned | Throat: careful... |
| 16:05.56 | Throat | should just number it |
| 16:06.06 | ootput | i've a man of hardware myself |
| 16:06.08 | ootput | ;) |
| 16:06.18 | stoned | ootput: im sure you do |
| 16:06.19 | Throat | AND there's nothing wrong with stable/testing/unstable |
| 16:06.34 | fengor | hmm? |
| 16:06.44 | Throat | stoned: ok, CAREFUL, stupid naming convention in debian :) |
| 16:06.50 | fengor | whatever is your point Throat ? |
| 16:06.58 | stoned | Throat: I would like to strangle you |
| 16:07.00 | stew | Throat: its numbered, sarge aka oldstable is 3.1, etch aka stable is 4.0 |
| 16:07.06 | stoned | unfortunately i can't do it over the net |
| 16:07.07 | systemv | stew: can i use find . -iname "*.exe" -print |xarags -rm -i to delete file interactivly |
| 16:07.11 | stoned | you're very lucky |
| 16:07.45 | rahul | omry__: gdb executable core ... bt |
| 16:07.47 | stoned | ootput: so long as his hardware keeps you happy, thats what matters right :) |
| 16:07.49 | Throat | point is, that I dont know what people are talking about when they say "etch", because the last names I remember were... potato and sarge... |
| 16:07.56 | stew | systemv: you'd want "find . -iname "*.exe" -print0 | xargs -0 rm -i |
| 16:07.56 | Throat | :) |
| 16:08.11 | stew | Throat: sorry, i don't know how we'd be able to help you with that |
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| 16:08.26 | rahul | Throat: so the naming convention is stupid because it involves names? |
| 16:08.42 | stoned | no, because his small mind can't comprehend it |
| 16:08.45 | stoned | i think. |
| 16:08.48 | Throat | you don't have to 'help' me (specially if it involves strangling me) |
| 16:08.50 | rahul | well same deal |
| 16:08.53 | stew | stoned: that's not necessary |
| 16:08.57 | rahul | !penixstrike Throat |
| 16:08.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Throat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:08.58 | Throat | rahul: probably :) |
| 16:08.59 | stoned | my bad |
| 16:09.00 | systemv | sorry dear friend i am new to linux and just trying all possibles |
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| 16:09.06 | stew | Throat: do you have a debian related question we could help you with? |
| 16:09.10 | rahul | that wasn't strangling. |
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| 16:09.18 | isom | my question is sorta long, so i pasted it here: http://pastie.caboo.se/55895 -- if you have any ideas please send me a message |
| 16:09.20 | Throat | nope |
| 16:09.27 | stoned | stew: im sorry but i get pissy when people say shit about debian |
| 16:09.31 | stoned | i dunno why. |
| 16:09.32 | Throat | so you want me to shut up? ok :) |
| 16:09.35 | stew | Throat: if you are just here to complain, this is the wrong forum. |
| 16:09.36 | stoned | I will try to watch myself |
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| 16:09.53 | jetscreamer | so where is Deep ? |
| 16:10.17 | systemv | stew: if i have to become linux system admin i should learn (join class) bash or perl script ? |
| 16:10.19 | jetscreamer | Throat: answer me! |
| 16:10.25 | Throat | stew: wasnt here to complain, was here to read along and read the answer to '!release history' ... just ignore me :) |
| 16:10.37 | muh2000_ | there was an process that was related to "locate" or "find" or something... there was a configfile for that where i could exclude dirs. where is that conffile and how is it called ? also how can i delete the old db ? |
| 16:10.47 | h3sp4wn | systemv: find -iname "*.exe" -exec rm -i {} + (there is also that syntax to find - works like xargs but all in one command) |
| 16:10.53 | jetscreamer | just do updatedb for the second |
| 16:10.53 | Throat | jetscreamer: my nick is the short form of Cut Me Own Throat |
| 16:10.57 | stoned | updatedb |
| 16:11.03 | Throat | hm |
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| 16:11.10 | Throat | that could have been clearer |
| 16:11.17 | systemv | ok |
| 16:11.28 | Throat | jetscreamer:ok, with quotes: my nick is the short form of 'Cut Me Own Throat' |
| 16:11.29 | systemv | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 16:11.36 | jetscreamer | yeh i got it |
| 16:11.49 | jetscreamer | i like my explanation better :) |
| 16:11.53 | Daveman | So, abrotman |
| 16:12.14 | Daveman | Is today going to be like your 'ideal' weather days? Mr. Hot :p |
| 16:12.18 | stew | Throat: one doesn't need to know perl to become a successful system administrator. knowing bash is important however |
| 16:12.28 | stoned | stew: that was systemv |
| 16:12.31 | stoned | :) |
| 16:12.46 | stew | i'm not going to risk trying to point in that direction |
| 16:12.50 | systemv | ok |
| 16:12.52 | Throat | stew: it doesnt help to write the wrong name in front :)) |
| 16:12.54 | systemv | thanks |
| 16:13.09 | stoned | stew: you been working hard lately? |
| 16:13.13 | muh2000 | and suddently nobody knows anything great... |
| 16:13.15 | stew | yes |
| 16:13.20 | stoned | it shows |
| 16:13.21 | stoned | :) |
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| 16:13.42 | ootput | hi guys, are there any bashscripts that control options to mirroring tools? |
| 16:13.45 | stew | muh2000: /etc/updatedb.conf ; updatedb is the command to rebuild the database |
| 16:13.46 | alper | bash: cd: ventrilo: Permission denied |
| 16:13.49 | alper | ? |
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| 16:13.52 | ootput | eg. a frontend to wget mirroring |
| 16:14.31 | muh2000 | stew thank you that was it what i was looking for :) |
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| 16:14.57 | hipodilski | Somebody using jailkit on debian? |
| 16:14.58 | Throat | ootput: what for? |
| 16:15.11 | hipodilski | to give me a hand please? |
| 16:15.17 | ootput | Throat: to mirror a site for offline viewing, for instance |
| 16:15.18 | Throat | ootput: one wget command will mirror a whole site - what else do you need? |
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| 16:15.37 | ootput | Throat: are u positive image links won't refer to online sources? |
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| 16:15.39 | alper | hey, i ve created a new directory, but when i try to open it with "cd ventrilo" it says: bash: cd: ventrilo: Permission denied |
| 16:15.39 | fengor | presumabley he wants point and click |
| 16:15.55 | fengor | ootput: if you use the right parameters they wont |
| 16:15.56 | peppe | does anyone know an application that shows scrolling feeds and/or videos, in order to make a "latest news" on a TV output? |
| 16:15.58 | fengor | man wget |
| 16:16.03 | jetscreamer | i think there is a gnome front end to wget |
| 16:16.15 | jetscreamer | i've seen one somewhere in sources |
| 16:16.25 | jetscreamer | !info gwget |
| 16:16.26 | Throat | ootput: well, if they are outside the site you're mirroring, that's unavoidable |
| 16:16.26 | ootput | i've got it |
| 16:16.32 | dpkg | gwget: (GNOME front-end for wget), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.98.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 219 kB, Installed size: 1264 kB |
| 16:16.35 | Throat | ootput: else, 'man wget' |
| 16:16.44 | ootput | i've got it, thanks |
| 16:17.05 | alper | hey, i ve created a new directory, but when i try to open it with "cd ventrilo" it says: bash: cd: ventrilo: Permission denied ??? |
| 16:17.29 | jetscreamer | did you create it as root and try to access as user? check the perms |
| 16:17.35 | jetscreamer | ls -lA |
| 16:17.36 | Throat | ootput: something like 'wget -m' should probably do |
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| 16:18.01 | alper | i first created a user, then logged in as it and then i created the dir |
| 16:18.04 | ootput | ah convert-links |
| 16:18.14 | alper | it says "/bin/ls: .: Permission denied |
| 16:18.14 | alper | " |
| 16:18.24 | Throat | ls -lad ventrilo |
| 16:18.24 | alper | after i typed ls -lA |
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| 16:18.26 | jetscreamer | do it as root |
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| 16:18.31 | alper | what does it do? |
| 16:18.31 | jetscreamer | or use sudo |
| 16:18.35 | jetscreamer | ls? |
| 16:18.41 | alper | sudo ls- lA ? |
| 16:18.48 | jetscreamer | ls -lA |
| 16:19.05 | jetscreamer | yeah sudo in front.. if you're in sudoers |
| 16:19.07 | alper | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4096 Apr 23 18:11 ventrilo |
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| 16:19.12 | jetscreamer | ok that's why |
| 16:19.18 | alper | :( but what does it tell me? |
| 16:19.26 | alper | i tried to chmod it to 777 |
| 16:19.31 | jetscreamer | but you should be able to ls it |
| 16:19.44 | alper | what to do now? |
| 16:20.15 | jetscreamer | so sudo chown user:group /path/to/dir if you wnat a different user to own it |
| 16:20.25 | Throat | did you try to cd after the chmod? |
| 16:20.30 | alper | ow |
| 16:20.31 | alper | wait |
| 16:20.31 | Throat | permissions look fine |
| 16:20.57 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:20.57 | alper | ive created the user with "useradd ventrilo" instead of "useradd -g users ventrilo" |
| 16:21.07 | alper | may that be the problem source? |
| 16:21.37 | Throat | with drwxrwxrwx, as shown everyone should be able to access it. |
| 16:21.47 | Throat | and no, it is nt the source |
| 16:22.01 | Throat | because the dir is owned by root:root |
| 16:22.37 | alper | sudo chown user:group /path/to/di |
| 16:22.44 | alper | i guess i need to replace something there? |
| 16:22.48 | jetscreamer | heh yes |
| 16:22.52 | alper | the user is named ventrilo |
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| 16:23.06 | alper | the user is named ventrilo /ventrilo |
| 16:23.07 | alper | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.08 | jetscreamer | ok.. so you know what you want to replace for user.... |
| 16:23.22 | alper | sudo chown user:group /ventrilo |
| 16:23.22 | alper | ? |
| 16:23.33 | jetscreamer | now you need to do group, and the path/to/the/directory/you/want/to/change |
| 16:23.46 | alper | i dont want to change a directory :X |
| 16:23.51 | alper | i just want to have access on it |
| 16:23.58 | jetscreamer | sudo chown me:me /home/ventrilo |
| 16:24.01 | jetscreamer | for instance |
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| 16:24.39 | alper | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.41 | alper | i did that |
| 16:24.49 | stew | alper: you want chown -R |
| 16:24.54 | alper | invalid user |
| 16:24.58 | stew | alper: don't ever chmod 777 ; it is never the right thing to do |
| 16:25.34 | alper | goot to know, thanks |
| 16:25.55 | stew | alper: so you don't have a user named ventrilo on your system it sounds like |
| 16:26.03 | stew | alper: what does "getent passwd ventrilo" return? |
| 16:26.33 | stew | actually i don't need to know. its just going to return nothing |
| 16:26.38 | alper | wait a sec pls :x |
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| 16:26.43 | jetscreamer | show stew the useradd command again |
| 16:27.16 | jetscreamer | <alper> ive created the user with "useradd ventrilo" instead of "useradd -g users ventrilo" |
| 16:27.36 | stew | i don't believe it |
| 16:27.44 | Throat | do 'rmdir /home/ventrilo' before the adduser, if there are no files in it |
| 16:28.22 | Throat | adduser/useradd should create the home dir with some basic config files in it |
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| 16:29.04 | Throat | hm |
| 16:29.09 | alper | k |
| 16:29.12 | Throat | what did useradd return? |
| 16:29.18 | Throat | it seems it failed |
| 16:29.33 | alper | i did this now: |
| 16:29.34 | alper | h1277762:~ # useradd -g users ventrilo |
| 16:29.34 | alper | h1277762:~ # passwd ventrilo |
| 16:29.41 | alper | i could login |
| 16:29.45 | stew | alper: why are you using useradd instead of adduser? |
| 16:29.46 | alper | but still permission denied |
| 16:29.50 | alper | dunno |
| 16:29.53 | alper | is there a difference? |
| 16:30.19 | stew | yes, one just alters the user database, the other creates the home directory with the correct permissions and prompts you for a password |
| 16:30.26 | fengor | Throat: only adduser creates the homedir afaik useradd doesnt iif i remember correctly |
| 16:30.31 | alper | which one does which |
| 16:30.44 | fengor | adduser creates the homedir |
| 16:30.48 | Throat | ok... |
| 16:30.50 | stew | alper: adduser creates the home directory and prompts you for a password |
| 16:30.59 | alper | i will delete the actual user then |
| 16:31.00 | alper | h1277762:~ # userdel ventrilo |
| 16:31.01 | alper | no crontab for ventrilo |
| 16:31.07 | alper | :H is it deleted? |
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| 16:31.22 | alper | im under root |
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| 16:31.24 | Throat | guess so |
| 16:31.27 | stew | alper: run "getent passwd ventrilo" if it returns nothing, it is deleted |
| 16:31.45 | alper | k, then it deleted :) |
| 16:31.53 | alper | ok now i will do "adduser ventrilo" |
| 16:31.54 | Throat | hm |
| 16:32.03 | Throat | anyone ever tried 'userdel root'? |
| 16:32.09 | alper | bash: adduser: command not found |
| 16:32.17 | alper | thats what i was fearing for |
| 16:32.22 | Throat | hehe |
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| 16:32.37 | fengor | aptitude install adduser? |
| 16:32.37 | stew | alper: does /usr/sbin/adduser exist? |
| 16:32.39 | Throat | apt-get install adduser |
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| 16:32.55 | Throat | okok, or aptitude |
| 16:33.02 | alper | bash: cd: /usr/sbin/adduser: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.06 | alper | apperently not :( |
| 16:33.21 | alper | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 16:33.23 | alper | what the... |
| 16:33.29 | hipodilski | lastlog hipodilski |
| 16:33.46 | stew | cd is a wierd command to use to test the existence of a file |
| 16:33.48 | Ronin | alper: you doing this as root? |
| 16:33.54 | alper | yes |
| 16:34.02 | stew | alper: is /usr a separate partition? is it mounted? |
| 16:34.12 | alper | how to find out? |
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| 16:34.31 | fengor | try ls instead of cd |
| 16:34.54 | alper | . .. .bash_history .exrc .gnupg .viminfo bin ventrilo |
| 16:35.01 | alper | ventrilo seems to exist yet |
| 16:35.02 | alper | ! |
| 16:35.05 | fengor | ls /usr/sbin/adduser |
| 16:35.09 | jair | have anyone here ever try to configure a "wireless LEAP" account in debian? I am reading couple of documents but got very close I may just be missiong something small I am almost there, I will appreciate anyones suggestions. |
| 16:35.11 | stew | alper: does "stat /usr/sbin" return some stuff or "no such file or directory"? |
| 16:35.17 | stew | fengor: he doesn't have it, he already checked |
| 16:35.23 | fengor | ah ok |
| 16:35.32 | alper | it returns much |
| 16:35.51 | stew | alper: is this debian? |
| 16:35.54 | jair | I am trying to configure the LEAP wireless account on my laptop |
| 16:35.56 | alper | i hope so |
| 16:36.10 | alper | my damn host doesnt show it anywhere |
| 16:36.10 | stew | i hope not |
| 16:36.16 | jair | anyone here using Debian on a laptop and also at work. |
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| 16:36.28 | Throat | yes |
| 16:36.37 | Throat | but never heared of 'LEAP' |
| 16:38.24 | alper | whats the command for listening all users? |
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| 16:38.24 | alper | excluding root |
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| 16:38.25 | stew | alper: what do you mean by listening? |
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| 16:38.25 | alper | listing* |
| 16:38.25 | stew | alper: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 apt" into a pastebin? |
| 16:38.25 | stew | alper: getent passwd |
| 16:38.26 | alper | bash: apt-cache: command not found |
| 16:38.26 | jair | Throat: LEAP is a different way technology to connect without have to broadcast an Essid. |
| 16:38.26 | alper | well... im afraid not to have debian |
| 16:38.26 | alper | :( |
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| 16:38.26 | jair | !LEAP |
| 16:38.26 | stew | alper: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 16:38.27 | Throat | stew: you sure he doesnt have it? |
| 16:38.30 | jair | !wireless |
| 16:38.30 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 16:38.31 | stew | Throat: have what? |
| 16:38.34 | alper | i checked it before stew |
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| 16:38.43 | alper | No such file or directory |
| 16:38.49 | stew | alper: and what does "cat /etc/redhat-release" say? |
| 16:38.51 | Throat | the /user dir |
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| 16:38.59 | alper | same |
| 16:39.17 | stew | alper: don't know what you are running, but it doesn't sound like debian |
| 16:39.19 | stew | Throat: what is that? |
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| 16:39.48 | alper | well.. thanks after all... |
| 16:40.13 | stew | alper: what does "cat /proc/version" return? |
| 16:40.30 | Throat | steve: you said he already checked for /usr ... not so sure if he did - the pasted ls could have been done in /root (with /root/bin - weird, but not impossible) |
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| 16:40.51 | stew | Throat: he said that stat /usr/sbin suceeded |
| 16:41.16 | Throat | ah, ok |
| 16:41.23 | thebillywayne | quick Q about Etch. Does it support SATA now? |
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| 16:41.39 | stew | thebillywayne: yes, so did sarge (the release before etch) |
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| 16:41.55 | thebillywayne | stew, oh. I always had to use a backported sarge. |
| 16:42.50 | alper | Linux version 2.6.9-023stab039.1-smp (root@rhel4-32) (gcc version 3.4.5 20051201 (Red Hat 3.4.5-2)) #1 SMP Thu Dec 28 23:51:23 MSK 2006 |
| 16:42.55 | thebillywayne | stew, "harddisk drive not detected" on install, or some error to that affect. |
| 16:42.55 | alper | ts.... |
| 16:42.57 | Throat | redhat |
| 16:42.59 | alper | stew, |
| 16:43.07 | freetos | why doesn't tail -f /var/log/messages show login attempts, do i have to edit something? |
| 16:43.43 | stew | thebillywayne: with etch or sarge? |
| 16:43.53 | Ronin | and thats why apt-get doesnt work alper |
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| 16:43.59 | stew | freetos: try tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
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| 16:44.11 | freetos | steve, thanx |
| 16:44.15 | stew | alper: looks like redhat, are you sure /etc/redhat-release doesn't exist? |
| 16:44.47 | Throat | (Red Hat 3.4.5-2) is a pretty good sign for that :) |
| 16:44.56 | thebillywayne | stew, sarge. always had to use backported sarge. and etch never did work well with my system. so I'm hoping that now things will go a bit more smoothly. :) |
| 16:45.13 | Throat | etch==testing? |
| 16:45.18 | fengor | etch == stable |
| 16:45.24 | Throat | oh, ok |
| 16:45.26 | fengor | lenny == testing |
| 16:45.34 | stew | thebillywayne: if you were using a backported sarge it was probably using the kenrel from an etch cd anyway |
| 16:45.35 | Throat | running sata disks on testing without problems |
| 16:45.40 | stew | Throat: (/topic) |
| 16:45.57 | Throat | stew :) |
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| 16:46.17 | alper | h1277762:~ # cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 16:46.17 | alper | cat: /etc/redhat-release: No such file or directory |
| 16:46.17 | Throat | ok, i'm not sooo up to date :) |
| 16:46.19 | alper | stew |
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| 16:46.32 | stew | alper |
| 16:46.43 | thebillywayne | stew, yes. I think so. but, then again, always little problem and such. hoping that Etch will run well on my system now. |
| 16:46.46 | Throat | well, if it's running an redhat-compiled kernel, it must be redhat |
| 16:46.59 | stew | Throat: that's not true, i have a debian system here that runs a redhat kernel |
| 16:47.53 | Throat | thebillywayne: ok, then i'm still running sata disks on 'etch/unstable', cause I didnt update for a while |
| 16:47.58 | alper | i still dont understand why i cant access to my directory on that new user :( |
| 16:48.03 | alper | sudo cd doesnt exist |
| 16:48.16 | stew | alper: you shouldn't be asking us. adduser on redhat is completely different |
| 16:48.26 | alper | ok kk |
| 16:48.29 | Throat | steve: sounds weird - what're you doing that for? |
| 16:48.36 | stew | alper: please try #redhat or #fedora or #centos or whatever |
| 16:48.47 | jetscreamer | use centos |
| 16:48.53 | thebillywayne | Throat, that's good. installing sarge always returned "cannot find hard drive" and etch installs always had lots of little problems that I could never find the answer to. I think I'll try again though with this latest release. |
| 16:49.00 | jetscreamer | if not debian |
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| 16:49.14 | stew | Throat: who me? becuase its the only one that supports the wireless card on the board i'm running it on |
| 16:49.22 | stew | why are people calling me steve today? |
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| 16:49.39 | Throat | thebillywayne: I didnt do an install, though - just put my old ATA disk in and cloned it.... |
| 16:50.05 | thebillywayne | Throat, well, that's a different flavor ice cream, I suppose. |
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| 16:50.25 | Throat | thebillywayne: jepp... but that was working like snapping your fingers :) |
| 16:50.31 | Raaku | morning |
| 16:50.44 | thebillywayne | Throat, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. |
| 16:51.40 | Throat | thebillywayne: :) - so much more convenient to take the lovely-configured system with you - even if that means you take some cruft with you |
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| 16:52.06 | thebillywayne | Throat, I know what you mean. Looking for the .torrent as we speak. |
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| 16:52.31 | alper | ok |
| 16:52.48 | alper | ive told my host to install debian on my serv :() |
| 16:52.51 | thebillywayne | then again, I have always enjoyed the net installs. |
| 16:53.01 | alper | and it was seemingly Suse 9.3 running on it |
| 16:53.02 | jetscreamer | you probably won't regret it |
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| 16:53.41 | _kaiser_ | hello, could tell me how to read from a particular sector number on a device? possibly with dd? |
| 16:53.46 | Throat | thebillywayne: guess it wont make much of a difference, though. |
| 16:54.05 | thebillywayne | Throat, don't care to have 18,000 packages by default. |
| 16:54.18 | stew | suse 9.3 installs an old redhat kernel? odd |
| 16:54.24 | thebillywayne | 18,003, excuse me. |
| 16:55.10 | Throat | _kaiser_: dont think you can generally do that |
| 16:55.26 | alper | well... there was only an option for either debian or suse. so i think it must have been suse |
| 16:56.00 | jetscreamer | alper: you might check and see if your host is actually going to install sarge or etch, just a thought |
| 16:56.20 | cwheeler | root should be able to read from /dev/hda with dd |
| 16:56.34 | cwheeler | _kaiser_ read the manpage for dd |
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| 16:56.52 | _kaiser_ | cwheeler: I did... just wasn't very clear to me. :( |
| 16:56.54 | cwheeler | only trick I can see is figuring out how to read the sector you want |
| 16:56.55 | ehc | how can i change the tab distance in vim when running through a ssh shell? |
| 16:56.55 | thebillywayne | i'm almost afraid to ask ... |
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| 16:58.21 | cwheeler | dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 skip=1000 |
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| 16:58.32 | cwheeler | that should read the 1000th 512byte block |
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| 16:58.50 | stew | cwheeler: 1001st |
| 16:58.56 | cwheeler | oh right |
| 16:58.58 | _kaiser_ | cwheeler: ty :) |
| 16:59.02 | cwheeler | I haven't had my copy |
| 16:59.04 | cwheeler | coffee |
| 16:59.06 | cwheeler | ack |
| 16:59.08 | _kaiser_ | hehe |
| 16:59.14 | cwheeler | _kaiser_ see what stew said |
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| 17:00.00 | pdbogen | How do I make udev's assignment of sda/sdb deterministic? It seems to be randomly picking which drive gets which on boot, which is causing a bit of a problem, since my root is on sdb. |
| 17:00.36 | _kaiser_ | cwheeler stew, ty both |
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| 17:01.05 | pegger | Hello, I have my mac mini running linux and for some reason if I do not have the monitor attached to it then it becomes unreachable on the netwrork after a while for some reason, anyone elase having a similar problem??? |
| 17:01.23 | stew | pdbogen: what filesystem? ext3? |
| 17:01.27 | pdbogen | stew: reiserfs |
| 17:01.37 | brainxy | hi there |
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| 17:01.49 | brainxy | is it possible to delete just the mails which were generated from www-data out of the mailq? |
| 17:03.59 | stew | pdbogen: it creates them persistently in /dev/disk |
| 17:04.36 | stew | pdbogen: if reiser supports labels, then you can also use LABEL=labelname in both /etc/fstab and your bootloader config in order to refer to the root device and ignore the device names |
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| 17:05.16 | jetscreamer | that or udev.rules |
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| 17:05.39 | jelly-home | I wish to junk my xorg.conf and start from scratch, how do I do that? |
| 17:05.51 | jetscreamer | /dev/disk has all you might need for any method |
| 17:06.13 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: read line 17 of xorg.conf |
| 17:06.20 | jetscreamer | 16-19, i forget |
| 17:06.40 | cwheeler | hi jetscreamer |
| 17:06.41 | stew | /dev/disk/by-label/Boot_OSX -> ../../hdc2 htf did i get that one? |
| 17:06.56 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: 17 is empty, but 14-16 are indicative, thanks |
| 17:07.06 | jetscreamer | it gets circular in there stew |
| 17:07.06 | stew | aprantly i ganked someones osx hd at some point |
| 17:07.32 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: thing is, I don't want _any_ of my changes and I'm afraid debconf will try to keep some |
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| 17:08.16 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: delete it and do the -phigh maybe... mv not rm rather... and i don't 'think' it will keep any or your changes but i've never tested |
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| 17:08.54 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: well, considering there'd be nothing to keep, it's worth a shot |
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| 17:10.53 | yacc | Any way to make a box wake up from ACPI-S3 state on scheduled times? |
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| 17:11.29 | jetscreamer | hey it WAS 17 in XF86Config-4 :) |
| 17:11.56 | jetscreamer | time4werk :/ |
| 17:12.09 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: unf. I don't have woody installed :-) |
| 17:12.13 | rahul | yacc: probably will need something in the bios |
| 17:12.20 | yacc | rahul: :( |
| 17:12.23 | rahul | you can make a system boot up at a specific time with some bioses |
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| 17:13.03 | jetscreamer | wake on lan |
| 17:13.11 | jetscreamer | also the modem does it iirc |
| 17:13.12 | yacc | rahul: yeah, but I was thinking something like sleeping 10-20 minutes, wake up for some minutes, so all tcp client apps (like xchat, ...) can catchup, and then sleep again? |
| 17:13.32 | rahul | yacc: won't you lose your connections? |
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| 17:13.46 | jetscreamer | there are also other events you can set i think |
| 17:14.46 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: fwiw: reconfigure didn't (and the script fails rather badly when no xorg.conf is present), but confmiss did the trick |
| 17:14.56 | yacc | rahul: not for 20 minutes, I'd guess, but that naturally depends slightly on the apps involved. The standard TCP builtin keep alive option is 2 hours or so. |
| 17:15.12 | lhunath | http://www.lyndir.com/stuff/problem <- How do I get some useful info about dependancies and why I cannot get nvidia-kernel to install? |
| 17:15.30 | jetscreamer | yeh i was thinking about confmiss but didn't know the exact package to reinstall |
| 17:15.36 | jetscreamer | which is it |
| 17:15.57 | rahul | yacc: irc will usually ping out in 200 seconds |
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| 17:16.36 | yacc | rahul: I've got ctrl-proxy running on a host anyway, I thing ppp tunnels and ssh are the bigger customers in my case anyway. |
| 17:17.24 | jetscreamer | lhunath: maybe kbuild not being available isn't letting the proc specific headers install |
| 17:17.44 | lhunath | *how* does one diagnose dependancy problems in lovely old debian? |
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| 17:18.05 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install |
| 17:18.08 | jetscreamer | sometimes |
| 17:18.57 | lhunath | .. is there no way to get it to tell you *what* the problem is, rather than *there is a problem somehow somewhere*? :\ |
| 17:19.26 | anabain_ | is there any prog similar to derive? |
| 17:19.43 | stew | lhunath: what command did you run that gave you that error? |
| 17:19.48 | jetscreamer | you need to give more information... debian version, kernel, what/which nvidia stuff... et al. error messages... |
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| 17:19.54 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 17:19.57 | lhunath | feta install nvidia-kernel |
| 17:19.58 | luosm | Hi, a new release of vlc and I'd like to upgrade, is it just apt-get -u install vlc or....? |
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| 17:20.05 | jetscreamer | feta? |
| 17:20.09 | lhunath | feta. |
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| 17:20.14 | lhunath | apt-get install if you like |
| 17:20.21 | jetscreamer | wtf is feta |
| 17:20.28 | stew | jetscreamer: apt-cache show feta |
| 17:20.32 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:20.47 | stew | lhunath: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 nvidia-kernel" ? |
| 17:21.01 | lhunath | certainly; am curious myself |
| 17:21.07 | xand | cheese |
| 17:21.16 | jetscreamer | yes i knew the cheese part |
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| 17:21.26 | jetscreamer | damn gtg |
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| 17:22.07 | lhunath | stew: http://www.lyndir.com/stuff/problem |
| 17:22.33 | Raaku | whats the debian package site |
| 17:23.25 | jomppa | hey, my debian install hangs at "select and install software" phase at 5% with throwing some package names and 'Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No":' to vc4 but it doesn't get any input |
| 17:23.32 | lhunath | stew: I'm basically running a custom kernel - I've been using nvidia-kernel-source on that custom kernel which has been working just fine. Recently however, X no longer starts complaining it couldn't find the nvidia module which was in the correct directory |
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| 17:23.58 | lhunath | is there some sort of guide as to how one can use nvidia with a custom kernel? |
| 17:24.08 | lhunath | or any other module as for that matter |
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| 17:25.32 | Raaku | question |
| 17:26.57 | Raaku | is it possible to load 2.6x modules on a2.4.x kernel |
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| 17:27.31 | hagbard | no. |
| 17:27.42 | drwahl | is it possible for beryl to work with xinerama ? |
| 17:27.43 | hark | lhunath: afaik, the Xorg in Sid and the nvidia drivers are not compatible |
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| 17:28.15 | hagbard | drwahl: possibly, depends on the video card driver support for xinerama. nvidia binary only should handle it. |
| 17:28.16 | lhunath | hark: how do I downgrade my sid packages to etch? |
| 17:28.16 | Raaku | i'm trying to find a patch to the usbserial.c that allows for a higher buffer |
| 17:28.16 | stew | lhunath: you can't |
| 17:28.16 | hagbard | hark: I'm running sid xorg w/ nvidia binary drivers. |
| 17:28.17 | lhunath | you're kidding? |
| 17:28.17 | Raaku | nope |
| 17:28.17 | stew | lhunath: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 17:28.17 | drwahl | nvidia is my card, but i keep getting no Rand error. everything i find online says to switch to twinview, but twinview sucks |
| 17:28.17 | hagbard | pardon? |
| 17:28.18 | hark | hagbard: ah, so just fglrx then |
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| 17:28.18 | hagbard | what problems do you encounter with twinview? |
| 17:28.21 | luosm | Is it possible to upgrade to the latest version of vlc? |
| 17:28.21 | hagbard | hark: agreed, fglrx is very unpolished. |
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| 17:28.30 | luosm | The 0.8.6b one |
| 17:28.31 | stew | luosm: aptitude install vlc |
| 17:28.47 | luosm | Mmkay, thanks |
| 17:28.49 | stew | luosm: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:28.50 | chops | Does anyone happen to know a PPC assembly equivalent of rdtsc? |
| 17:28.57 | luosm | stew: Etch |
| 17:29.10 | stew | !info vlc etch |
| 17:29.17 | hagbard | chops: There's a timestamp register, check the timekeeping code in the s390 arch section of the kernel source. |
| 17:29.25 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB |
| 17:29.32 | stew | luosm: that one ^^ ? |
| 17:29.37 | hagbard | chops: also, gimme a second, I have a powerpc arch reference manual here. |
| 17:29.43 | luosm | stew: let me check |
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| 17:29.54 | drwahl | hagbard: for one, i do not want 2 system bars. second, i dont want 2 trash icons. i guess if i could get rid of that stuff i might be able to live with it, but even then, when i do the 3D rotation with beryl, it only rotates one desktop |
| 17:30.23 | stew | luosm: oh, i guess not, unstable has a version labeled 0.8.6.a so i guess the one you are looking for hasn't been uploaded yet |
| 17:30.23 | drwahl | hagbard: i have gotten this to work with ATI the way i want, but obviously that is a different driver... |
| 17:31.01 | hagbard | chops: the registers are tbu and tbl, and the instruction is/are mtfb/mtfbu |
| 17:31.13 | chops | hagbard: Excellent, thanks much |
| 17:31.34 | drwahl | is there a manpage that explains how to setup cifs in fstab? |
| 17:31.40 | luosm | stew: ii vlc 0.8.6-svn20061 multimedia player and streamer |
| 17:31.52 | hagbard | drwahl: that sounds like twinview was not properly configured, but rather, you have two seperate X11 screens |
| 17:31.52 | luosm | stew: Aah, yeah I expected that actually |
| 17:31.55 | hark | lhunath: any reason you've got etch and sarge repositories added as well? |
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| 17:32.22 | drwahl | hagbard: that is certainly possible.... not sure how to fix that though :( |
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| 17:32.38 | _kaiser_ | how can I confirm the sector size for a partition? |
| 17:32.47 | _kaiser_ | is that information available in /proc? |
| 17:32.49 | luosm | stew: Kind of misleading info though |
| 17:32.54 | luosm | stew: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 17:33.02 | luosm | On their website |
| 17:33.03 | wols_ | _kaiser_: unless you have a very special disk, it's 512bytes |
| 17:33.08 | _kaiser_ | wols_: ty |
| 17:33.12 | lhunath | hark: I thought there was no harm in having more packages available so long as I set etch to be the default. That way I have a broad range of package versions available for should I need them |
| 17:33.28 | lhunath | appearantly I accidently upgraded to sid by adding that repository |
| 17:33.31 | hagbard | drwahl: well, do you still have a copy of your xorg.conf from your twinview attempt? Also, xorg writes log messages to /var/log/Xorg.0.log which can explain things |
| 17:33.45 | hagbard | drwahl: your best luck may be, though, just using the nvidia-settings program |
| 17:33.54 | stew | luosm: what are you finding misleading? |
| 17:34.19 | drwahl | hagbard: i just installed using their driver, is there some other program that does configuring? |
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| 17:34.23 | hagbard | _kaiser_: incidentally, you can also use blockdev --report |
| 17:34.25 | luosm | stew: Did you check the link |
| 17:34.30 | stew | luosm: yes |
| 17:34.38 | _kaiser_ | hagbard: ty again :) |
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| 17:34.47 | debianland | # Appears as ANNA |
| 17:34.51 | hagbard | drwahl: Yes. It's described in the documentation, but it's called nvidia-settings |
| 17:34.55 | rahul | # Appears as LOSER |
| 17:34.55 | _kaiser_ | yep, 512 :) |
| 17:34.57 | luosm | stew: So I can find the recent version on sid? |
| 17:35.04 | drwahl | hagbard: here is my xorg: http://drwahl.ath.cx:500/programs/configs/xorg.conf |
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| 17:35.16 | rahul | it's been a LONG time since I've seen that retarded shit |
| 17:35.22 | luosm | stew: Not going to install it though, just wanted to understand this part :-) |
| 17:35.30 | jomppa | my debian install hangs at "select and install software" phase at 5% with throwing some package names and 'Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No":' to vc4 but it doesn't get any input |
| 17:35.35 | mcgreg | where is the file , or in what package is : "pango-querymodules" |
| 17:35.43 | stew | luosm: http://packages.debian.org/vlc will tell you (but yes, don't install unstable packages onto stable: /msg dpkg backports) |
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| 17:36.32 | lhunath | ok; so; I've upgraded my system to SID as such breaking Xorg - my fault - now, do I reinstall the base system from zero in order to downgrade properly? |
| 17:36.34 | stew | jomppa: you are using an old RC1 installer, you REALLY should get an updated one, or /msg dpkg 5% error |
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| 17:36.58 | hagbard | drwahl: in your ServerLayout, at the top, you're defining two screens |
| 17:37.07 | jomppa | yeah, i'm using an 20061111 installer, is that a sin ? |
| 17:37.10 | drwahl | hagbard: yes |
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| 17:37.16 | jelly-home | jomppa: it is :-) |
| 17:37.19 | hagbard | drwahl: basically, twinview does the screen-merging at a lower level, so as far as Xorg is concerned, it's a single screen. |
| 17:37.25 | rahul | jomppa: why don't you use the official release? |
| 17:37.57 | jomppa | well i had the disc idling on my table. i didn't want to download an iso and then burn it |
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| 17:38.00 | drwahl | hagbard: ok... that would make sense then as to why its doing 2 seperate instances... |
| 17:38.13 | jomppa | thought then it would save some minutes but no |
| 17:38.14 | stew | !5% error =~ s#or or use a daily build etch installer where this problem has been fixed#Since etch has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem# |
| 17:38.14 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 17:38.25 | jelly-home | jomppa: then use the latter approach |
| 17:38.42 | jelly-home | jomppa: ie. /msg dpkg 5% error |
| 17:39.02 | hagbard | drwahl: truthfully, use the nvidia-settings applet. does you machine have it? |
| 17:39.04 | Toyd | hey http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debianhelplogcl0.jpg |
| 17:39.08 | Toyd | a gift |
| 17:39.12 | jomppa | this is evil! |
| 17:39.13 | Toyd | from me to debian |
| 17:39.18 | jomppa | why can it not work! |
| 17:39.32 | jelly-home | jomppa: it does "not work". :-) |
| 17:39.38 | hagbard | drwahl: barring that, remove the second entry from the serverlayout, and then add Option "Twinview" "True" to the "Screen" Section |
| 17:39.39 | jomppa | i can install an old gentoo and then update it! |
| 17:39.59 | Gmoliv | is there an IDS better than snort? |
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| 17:40.25 | perlmonke1 | hi |
| 17:40.31 | jomppa | same applies to many other distros |
| 17:40.38 | drwahl | hagbard: ya, im playing with nvidia-settings now |
| 17:40.45 | jelly-home | jomppa: aye, but the image you're using is a prerelease of the installer with known bugs |
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| 17:40.49 | jomppa | (at least should, i don't have that much experince..) |
| 17:40.52 | giupy | i don't understand why if i search docs on google for create a samba conf for share a folder i find only samba between win and linux, where can i find docs for samba between 2 debian ? |
| 17:40.56 | jomppa | bleargh |
| 17:41.00 | jomppa | it's sillp |
| 17:41.02 | jomppa | *silly |
| 17:41.08 | Gmoliv | i mean, is snort a solution that fills the needs of a big company, or the big companies usually uses another IDS? |
| 17:41.20 | hagbard | giupy: those docs are likely to be hard to find, because most people wouldn't use samba for that. |
| 17:41.45 | drwahl | hagbard: when i try to enable twinview in nvidia-settings i get an error: The XRandR X extension was not found. |
| 17:41.45 | wols_ | giupy: samba howto |
| 17:41.48 | giupy | hagbard: well, but i need to share a folder in read/write , how can i do that ? |
| 17:42.00 | drwahl | hagbard: then it doesnt enable twinview |
| 17:42.07 | hagbard | giupy: Consider NFS |
| 17:42.08 | giupy | wols_: i have solved taht problem with hd and fstab :) |
| 17:42.18 | wols_ | giupy: you share it exactly like in any other setup |
| 17:42.20 | hagbard | drwahl: Do you have xinerama running right now? |
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| 17:42.29 | hagbard | drwahl: I think xinerama precludes xrandr |
| 17:42.38 | drwahl | hagbard: ok |
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| 17:43.04 | simonrvn | Gmoliv: people use what they need, want, etc. if you think it's right for you, use it. |
| 17:43.08 | perlmonke1 | i setup openvpn and its working but i cant set my default route for the tun for wifi, any ideas? |
| 17:44.13 | jomppa | but what does it mean (/msg dpkg 5% error) "add the latest key" ? |
| 17:44.22 | jomppa | i'm not quite familiar with debian yet... |
| 17:44.43 | pegger | perlmonke1: did you set push "redirect-gateway" |
| 17:44.56 | jelly-home | !today |
| 17:44.56 | dpkg | YeeeHahhh, Paw!! As of April 8th, 2007 : The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development; http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 ...also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 17:45.00 | perlmonke1 | pegger: oh no i didnt |
| 17:45.04 | Gmoliv | simonrvn i know, but im new to snort, and i want to have an idea of how much profressional snort is - is it the most used or there~s another? |
| 17:45.21 | simonrvn | yes it is, TMK |
| 17:45.27 | perlmonke1 | pegger: that goes in openvpn server conf yeah? |
| 17:45.41 | simonrvn | been around a while too |
| 17:45.55 | pegger | perlmonke1: yes |
| 17:46.08 | pegger | perlmonke1: what kind of set up are you trying to accomplish |
| 17:46.42 | perlmonke1 | pegger: very basic, all i am doing is using openvpn with a static key to establish a secure tun over my wlan to my gateway box |
| 17:46.50 | perlmonke1 | just 1 client |
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| 17:48.18 | luosm | I cannot play certain files "totem could not play blah" Is there any fix for that |
| 17:48.19 | perlmonke1 | the connection seems to be working, i.e. i can ping between client and server, but nothing beyond the lan is reachable by the client, i get "network unreachable" so i guess its a routing problem eh |
| 17:48.19 | luosm | Or any codecs that I am missing? |
| 17:48.19 | pegger | perlmonke1: ok so you just want to keep your wireless secure, That is basically what I am doing. I am actully at work right now, but I cam connected to my apartment, and if I go to a site like http://www.displaymyhostname.com/ it gives me my apartments ip |
| 17:48.21 | perlmonke1 | pegger: yeah exactly |
| 17:48.23 | pegger | so I dont really use certs, just usernames and passwords |
| 17:48.27 | perlmonke1 | :D |
| 17:48.28 | perlmonke1 | cool |
| 17:48.32 | wols_ | luosm: you miss basic error reporting/problem description skills |
| 17:48.34 | wols_ | not codecs |
| 17:48.45 | pegger | perlmonke1: and the vpn users have their own subnet because I do nat on them |
| 17:48.54 | luosm | wols_: I'm not a native speaker, patience :-) |
| 17:49.11 | pegger | perlmonke1: I figured that would be easier then worying about the two subnets crossing paths |
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| 17:49.35 | wols_ | hast nothing to do with being native or not |
| 17:49.42 | pegger | perlmonke1: so on the client I only need these 3 files ca.crt client.ovpn ta.key |
| 17:49.45 | luosm | wols_: I double clicked to watch mms://wm.microsoft.com/ms/msnse/....wmv and I got this error |
| 17:49.46 | perlmonke1 | pegger: i decided to try openvpn because my wifi card is a bit crappy and doesnt have very good support in linux so i was unable to get wpasupplicant to work |
| 17:49.52 | luosm | wols_: Okie |
| 17:50.15 | luosm | Video codec windows media player 9 is not handled |
| 17:50.15 | Guerin | luosm: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 17:50.28 | giupy | can i share with NFS a cdrom burner ? |
| 17:50.31 | Guerin | and/or use a better player than totem,. which is shite |
| 17:50.32 | perlmonke1 | i beginning to think i might be better off just replacing the card, as i spent 9 hrs at the weekend on openvpn and was unable to get it working :-/ |
| 17:50.38 | Guerin | giupy: yes. |
| 17:50.38 | pegger | perlmonke1: in my opinion I think that closing all ports except for dhcp and vpn on wireless is the best/most secure set up |
| 17:50.43 | giupy | Guerin: ok |
| 17:50.49 | perlmonke1 | i agree |
| 17:50.52 | Guerin | giupy: you won't be able to *burn* with it, but still. |
| 17:50.58 | giupy | thanks all, tonight i'll study nfs |
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| 17:51.03 | Guerin | perlmonke1: why? |
| 17:51.04 | giupy | Guerin: why ? |
| 17:51.08 | luosm | Aw, non-free |
| 17:51.12 | luosm | Guerin: Thanks |
| 17:51.13 | Guerin | giupy: because nfs don't work that way. |
| 17:51.14 | pegger | perlmonke1: and everyone who wants to can connect and get a ip from your wireless router but they dont have any usable ports |
| 17:51.26 | Guerin | perlmonke1: pegger: one port is as good as 1000 |
| 17:51.36 | perlmonke1 | I don't use my router for dhcp |
| 17:51.40 | giupy | Guerin: so, samba can do that better ? |
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| 17:51.58 | perlmonke1 | i use static IP's and only the gateway box uses dhcp for IP |
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| 17:52.14 | Guerin | giupy: i have no idea what samba can do. I would use ssh x forwarding for that task. |
| 17:52.24 | perlmonke1 | Geurin: I know, but I have a routing problem |
| 17:52.33 | giupy | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 17:52.35 | giupy | i go |
| 17:52.38 | Guerin | perlmonke1: i don't see what routing has to do with ports |
| 17:52.40 | pegger | Guerin: yes once you are connected |
| 17:52.52 | perlmonke1 | sheesh still got this lame nick |
| 17:53.41 | simonrvn | perlmonke 1 |
| 17:53.53 | wols_ | perlmonke1: what do you want a VPN for? |
| 17:54.09 | Guerin | wols_: teh securiettz |
| 17:54.11 | simonrvn | to make people ask him that |
| 17:54.26 | perlmonke1 | wols_ to secure my wireless |
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| 17:54.39 | Guerin | perlmonke1: wpa not good enough for ya? |
| 17:54.55 | perlmonke1 | I cant use wpa my card wont support it |
| 17:54.56 | Thms | when I open a port for Apache, need I to open TCP and UDP or just TCP ? |
| 17:55.07 | wols_ | perlmonke1: and what has your card to do with VPN? it's not your card that prevents your VPN from working |
| 17:55.09 | simonrvn | tcp |
| 17:55.37 | Guerin | perlmonke1: do you need encryption, or just auth? |
| 17:55.39 | perlmonke1 | wols_ i know, but if i replace my card for which supports wpa it might save me a lot of hassle and i can forget about openvpn |
| 17:55.43 | Thms | simonrvn: for SSH too ? |
| 17:55.49 | simonrvn | yes |
| 17:55.54 | wols_ | perlmonke1: wpasupplicant? |
| 17:55.56 | perlmonke1 | just need to secure the wifi with encrypted really |
| 17:56.05 | Guerin | perlmonke1: why encrypted? |
| 17:56.14 | perlmonke1 | i tried wpasupplicant but from what i can gather my card cannot use wpa with it |
| 17:56.14 | simonrvn | ssh and http in udp would suck hairy donkey balls |
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| 17:56.41 | perlmonke1 | Guerin: to prevent someone intercepting data |
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| 17:56.58 | Guerin | perlmonke1: hah. Ok, pal. You just do what feels right. |
| 17:57.10 | wols_ | perlmonke1: do you know how the internet works? |
| 17:57.15 | infester | Why is there no kernel-sources-2.6.8-powerpc? only find an image for ppc |
| 17:57.18 | perlmonke1 | yeah |
| 17:57.31 | wols_ | I can understand if you say "to prevent some kiddie to leech BT with my WiFI", but interecpting data? |
| 17:57.52 | simonrvn | o_O ... erm, ppc is powerpc |
| 17:57.59 | perlmonke1 | you guys are missing the point |
| 17:58.03 | wols_ | infester: current debian kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 17:58.20 | infester | wols_: yes, but is there no "ppc source" there is a "ppc image" |
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| 17:59.06 | simonrvn | i think he's wanting to secure the connection between his wifi box and his router |
| 17:59.07 | wols_ | infester: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/devel/kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 17:59.16 | wols_ | kernel source is not arch specific |
| 17:59.45 | perlmonke1 | it's strange but im not currently able to ssh my server over wifi |
| 17:59.53 | perlmonke1 | connection times out |
| 17:59.56 | infester | wols_: oh... ok, thank you |
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| 18:00.24 | infester | wols_: you don't know where i can find information about what ppc-users should include in their kernels do you? |
| 18:01.15 | stew | infester: you can try #debianppc |
| 18:01.16 | perlmonke1 | really odd |
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| 18:01.33 | infester | thanks alot! |
| 18:01.38 | simonrvn | google |
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| 18:03.00 | perlmonke1 | woah I think my openvpn is working |
| 18:03.11 | infester | :D |
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| 18:04.11 | perlmonke1 | I'm unable to ping anything, or connect to local services, yet i have internet access |
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| 18:04.58 | irule | hi all, I added etch only sources to my sqrge, then 'apt-get install' and I get error messqages, how may I fix it so that I can upgrade completely? thanks |
| 18:05.10 | perlmonke1 | how can i verify if openvpn is working |
| 18:05.34 | perlmonke1 | irule: apt-get update |
| 18:05.55 | perlmonke1 | irule: then apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 18:06.10 | stew | irule: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:06.18 | stew | perlmonke1: that is not correct |
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| 18:06.23 | perlmonke1 | irule: before you do dist-upgrade, do an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 18:06.25 | stew | irule: don't use apt-get |
| 18:06.30 | stew | perlmonke1: stop |
| 18:07.14 | perlmonke1 | works for me |
| 18:07.36 | stew | perlmonke1: that's nice for you, but its not going to work for many people |
| 18:07.42 | Toyd | hey http://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debianhelplogcl0.jpg |
| 18:07.46 | perlmonke1 | irule: use whatever you want to use/feel comfortable using and ignore him |
| 18:08.45 | stew | irule: i'm telling you to use the procedure that was devised by the release team after months of testing upgrades on various systems, he's telling you to just use what worked for him after testing on one system. so yeah, you decide who to ignore |
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| 18:10.27 | irule | guys please we are friends here :) ..thanks for all the advice |
| 18:11.00 | stew | Toyd: please stop |
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| 18:11.56 | freezer | sup |
| 18:12.02 | Toyd | hahaha |
| 18:12.08 | freezer | does anyone here have an Cingular mobile SIM-card which he/she doesn't need anymore? |
| 18:12.21 | Toyd | you guys are my faitytale story :D |
| 18:12.22 | wols_ | freezer: don't do this |
| 18:12.30 | freezer | wols_: do what? |
| 18:12.32 | stew | freezer: wrong channel |
| 18:12.36 | wols_ | OT spamming |
| 18:12.54 | xoz | stew: aptitute is now the choice instead of apt-get? or is this for newbies only. |
| 18:13.09 | freezer | sorry, dont know where to search else |
| 18:13.40 | simonrvn | aptitude is used by oldbies and newbies alike... it's agnostic |
| 18:13.40 | Dave2 | aptitude is a complete replacement for apt-get |
| 18:13.47 | perlmonke1 | freezer: maybe on ebay |
| 18:13.53 | stew | xoz: aptitude is the recommended choice. but the previous point was that the recommended upgrade procedure is more complicated than a simple update/upgrade/dist-upgrade |
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| 18:14.18 | Onur | Can i get Debian 3.1r6 cd or dvd images? |
| 18:14.18 | xoz | stew: ah, ok. |
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| 18:14.29 | freezer | perlmonkel: ya there are some...but i just need an old/deactivated one |
| 18:14.34 | Toyd | stew let me check what kind of cartoon you are |
| 18:14.36 | Toyd | ;p |
| 18:14.41 | stew | Toyd: do you ahve a debian related question? |
| 18:14.57 | alper | hi, im back with real debian now :) |
| 18:14.59 | stew | Onur: is there a reason you want 3.1r6 and not 4.0? |
| 18:14.59 | simonrvn | /ignore -replies Toyd |
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| 18:15.26 | Toyd | i am making a cartoon about debian land a fable |
| 18:15.31 | alper | i want to install mysql on my server now. i did "/usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password my_pw" |
| 18:15.34 | alper | but now it says |
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| 18:15.35 | xoz | trolls ~ dementors |
| 18:15.36 | Toyd | with debian |
| 18:15.39 | Onur | steve: because i love so much sarge :) |
| 18:15.42 | Toyd | to promote devbian |
| 18:15.42 | alper | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:15.42 | alper | error: 'Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)' |
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| 18:16.28 | Dave2 | alper, you want -p |
| 18:16.31 | alper | i have been disconnected |
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| 18:16.36 | perlmonke1 | hehe |
| 18:16.38 | alper | i want -p? |
| 18:16.45 | perlmonke1 | -p for password |
| 18:16.45 | alper | how you mean? |
| 18:17.05 | perlmonke1 | mysql -u root -p |
| 18:17.24 | simonrvn | then it'll ask you for the pass |
| 18:17.43 | alper | thx |
| 18:17.50 | alper | im following a tutorial atm |
| 18:17.59 | alper | which said: $> /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password das_sichere_PW |
| 18:18.08 | alper | was that in an older version of deb? |
| 18:18.41 | simonrvn | they probably didn't know about the -p switch either ;) |
| 18:18.56 | alper | now im in the mysql monitor |
| 18:19.00 | alper | how to quit it ? :) |
| 18:19.14 | simonrvn | in the who? |
| 18:19.27 | simonrvn | click the close button? :) |
| 18:19.39 | \amethyst | alper: does mysqladmin -u root password whatever give you the "access denied" error? |
| 18:19.50 | alper | nope that one worked |
| 18:19.54 | stew | alper: if you had already set a mysql password, then it would be "mysqladmin -u root -p password das_sichere_PW" ; the guide you were reading was assuming that you did not already ahve a reoot password set |
| 18:19.59 | alper | simonrvn, its a serv ;i |
| 18:20.01 | xoz | alper: \q |
| 18:20.21 | alper | ah kk |
| 18:20.34 | alper | if i close the window i needa restart putty :() |
| 18:20.34 | \amethyst | stew: so you use mysqladmin -u root -pdas_sichere_PW to connect |
| 18:20.44 | \amethyst | err |
| 18:20.46 | simonrvn | -u user -p |
| 18:20.47 | \amethyst | alper: ^^ |
| 18:21.05 | alper | mysql> c |
| 18:21.10 | alper | how to quit that? :O |
| 18:21.21 | alper | ah done |
| 18:21.22 | simonrvn | see what xoz said |
| 18:21.28 | alper | somehow it was done by itself |
| 18:21.29 | stoned | simonrvn: hi |
| 18:21.40 | simonrvn | hewwows |
| 18:21.42 | stoned | speaking of mysql, I just rebuilt my db |
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| 18:22.20 | prh | anyone know why debian does not have freenx? |
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| 18:22.36 | stoned | its not dfsg compliant |
| 18:22.41 | stoned | i think |
| 18:22.45 | stoned | !freenx |
| 18:22.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 18:22.55 | prh | stoned: ahh fear as much :O( |
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| 18:23.29 | botox | hi, im having some problems with k3b, it basically is failing to burn to my external dvd-r. i get this error: |
| 18:23.47 | botox | Blocks total: 359845 Blocks current: 359845 Blocks remaining: 10473 |
| 18:23.47 | botox | Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 48.0 in real SAO mode for single session. |
| 18:23.47 | botox | Last chance to quit, starting real write in 2 seconds. |
| 18:23.47 | botox | /usr/bin/X11/wodim: DMA speed too slow (OK for 28x). Cannot write at speed 48x. |
| 18:23.47 | botox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:23.54 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 18:24.18 | botox | basically, i cant seem to turn dma on for my dvd-r |
| 18:24.20 | botox | using etch |
| 18:24.22 | botox | amd64 |
| 18:24.30 | botox | ive tried hdparm and get function not implemented |
| 18:24.31 | perlmonke1 | oopes |
| 18:24.44 | botox | usr/bin/X11/wodim: DMA speed too slow (OK for 28x). Cannot write at speed 48x |
| 18:24.54 | botox | cd burning has always just worked in the past.. |
| 18:24.58 | botox | so im not expert |
| 18:25.01 | botox | *no |
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| 18:26.58 | simonrvn | a good start would be to follow the hints it's giving you... |
| 18:27.52 | pdf | stew ? |
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| 18:28.16 | stew | pdf: yes? |
| 18:28.28 | shafire | is there a another better package manager? |
| 18:28.32 | shafire | like pacman for arch? |
| 18:28.33 | simonrvn | botox: not pasting here would be clue #2 |
| 18:28.34 | shafire | i hate apt-get :( |
| 18:28.36 | shafire | and aptitude |
| 18:28.49 | alper | ive got debian now and added a user (sbnc) with "adduser" which worked pretty well. now i logged in as that user but i cant view the content with ls? nor can i download things to it |
| 18:28.51 | pdf | stew; can i message you |
| 18:28.54 | alper | "permission denedie" |
| 18:28.57 | stew | pdf: ok |
| 18:29.07 | botox | simonrvn, i have nothing more to paste |
| 18:29.21 | botox | i am assuming dma is turned off |
| 18:29.41 | alper | http://nopaste.biz/?14846 |
| 18:29.48 | alper | stew would you take alook pls |
| 18:30.00 | botox | i will go to flood and post k3b output |
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| 18:30.27 | infester | what does this mean? |
| 18:30.27 | infester | Package kernel-source-2.6.8 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:30.30 | infester | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:30.33 | infester | is only available from another source |
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| 18:31.01 | Micer | hi im new to debian how can i change the ip in my debian box from a command line ? |
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| 18:31.41 | stoned | Micer: you want static ip? /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:32.06 | stew | alper: your local user named bncs does have permission to create files in root's home directory (correctly), you should change to some other directory first, perhaps /tmp or or bncs's home directory |
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| 18:32.24 | Micer | stoned i want it to run with a static ip address |
| 18:32.28 | stew | infester: what version of debian are you running/ |
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| 18:32.40 | stoned | Micer: Micer then modify the file I told you about |
| 18:32.51 | infester | stew: i made dist-upgrade after adding testing entries in my sources.list |
| 18:32.58 | alper | thx stew, ill just create a new dir |
| 18:33.03 | alper | didnt know that :I |
| 18:33.03 | stoned | Micer: look on google for a sample static config interfaces file if you are unsure |
| 18:33.03 | infester | then i added two satble entries... was that stupid+ |
| 18:33.15 | stew | infester: testing only has 2.6.18 sources available, and the pacakge is linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:33.30 | encrypt | does anyone here have a server running bind with 1000+ domains? |
| 18:33.37 | infester | o_o i can get newer sources from stable?! |
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| 18:33.40 | stew | infester: if you are running testing, the stable entries will most likely not do anything |
| 18:33.42 | encrypt | wondering why it takes more than 20 minutes to restart named |
| 18:33.50 | stoned | !paster |
| 18:33.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:33.51 | infester | stew: i se... thanks |
| 18:33.52 | stew | infester: no, stable has the same kernel as testing currently |
| 18:34.10 | infester | stew: hmm, im pretty sure i saw 2.6.8 before i made dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.20 | simonrvn | infester: etch is stable now |
| 18:34.23 | wols_ | infester: your kernel version 2.6.8 is the kernel of oldstable sarge (2 years old) |
| 18:34.29 | stoned | Micer: for example http://paste.debian.net/26324 |
| 18:34.41 | wols_ | infester: you can get the source from sarge repositories |
| 18:34.44 | infester | oh... thank you |
| 18:34.58 | infester | i think ill be fine with the 2.6.18 |
| 18:35.49 | infester | :D didn't know such existed, ill sign up directly! thanks |
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| 18:37.08 | jelly-home | Hi, I'm having trouble getting DDC information from my LCD panel connected to a Radeon XPRESS 200 onboard card. It worked well with a Radeon 9200... http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/xorg.conf http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:37.18 | Micer | stoned im a little new to this what command soud i use to edit files ? |
| 18:37.27 | jimbalaya7721 | any ideas why my vnc4server would just start crashing out, putting one line in the log file 'X connection to :1.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).'? |
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| 18:37.34 | stoned | Micer: any text editor.. i like to use " nano " |
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| 18:38.14 | infester | simonrvn: :) |
| 18:38.24 | stoned | Micer: you have to edit the file as root permission. ' nano /etc/network/interfaces ' when done editing press F3 to save your changes |
| 18:38.32 | rahul | jelly-home: looks like the driver thinks your setup is poop |
| 18:38.46 | rahul | jelly-home: doesn't seem like a config issue. |
| 18:38.55 | rahul | (II) RADEON(0): No DDC data available, DDCMode option is dismissed |
| 18:38.55 | stoned | rahul: kali daal & chawal :) yummy |
| 18:39.01 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:39.17 | alleyoopster | rahul: is poop a technical term? |
| 18:39.18 | rahul | that reminds me... I should heat up some food |
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| 18:39.30 | rahul | alleyoopster: yeah, like oomph in the sound engineering field |
| 18:39.48 | alleyoopster | rahul: right oh, i'll add it to the ops manual :) |
| 18:39.51 | jelly-home | stoned: I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds spicy |
| 18:39.58 | stoned | it is |
| 18:40.01 | rahul | jelly-home: it doesn't need to be spicy |
| 18:40.05 | rahul | but it;s better when it is :D |
| 18:40.26 | jimbalaya | hrm, guess not :-/ |
| 18:40.34 | rahul | kali means black, chawal means rice |
| 18:40.40 | infester | what are the linux-header-2.6.18-4-powerpc packages containg? |
| 18:40.42 | stoned | jelly-home: you know what "pulses" are? Tiny little round beans; this happens to be black, which is 'kali' in hindi/urdu. black beans and rice |
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| 18:40.55 | rahul | not black beans. black lentils. |
| 18:40.58 | jelly-home | stoned: lentil |
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| 18:41.04 | stoned | yeh those |
| 18:41.06 | rahul | black beans are very different |
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| 18:41.25 | SnakePlisken | legumes |
| 18:41.30 | stew | infester: headers required for compiling 3rd party modules for the kenrel contained in the linux-image-2.6.18-4-powerpc package |
| 18:41.38 | jelly-home | stoned: my favourite easy-prepared cooked food, with emph. on easy :-) |
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| 18:42.03 | stoned | i would figure your favorite food would be jelly |
| 18:42.03 | stoned | :) |
| 18:42.13 | jelly-home | stoned: I'm not a cannibal! |
| 18:42.15 | infester | stew: hmm... im very new to this... in other words that is what i really need to compile my kernel? |
| 18:42.44 | alper | sbnc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. ----- > what does it mean? |
| 18:42.49 | stoned | jelly-home: cannibal?... jelly?... what?! |
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| 18:43.05 | stew | infester: linux-source-2.6.18 libncurses5-dev build-essendial kernel-package ; and /msg dpkg kp ; is there a reason you want to compile your own instead of just using a debian compiled kernel? |
| 18:43.31 | Micer | stoned Great thx for help getting started with my first debian :) |
| 18:43.40 | stoned | anytime |
| 18:43.43 | alper | sbnc is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. ----- > what does it mean? |
| 18:43.44 | stew | alper: it means you tried to execute sudo from a user account that does not have sudo privileges. ; man sudoers ; man visudo |
| 18:43.47 | jelly-home | alper: the user is not added to /etc/sudoers, so cannot and probably should not run sudo. |
| 18:43.51 | infester | stew: i'd like to have my kernel as light as possible... and i wan't support for my wifi card |
| 18:43.57 | alper | ah kk thx |
| 18:44.18 | stew | infester: then use a debian kernel, don't load any kernel moduels you don't need ; what wireless card do you ahve? |
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| 18:45.04 | infester | an airport extreme card, bcm43xx is the driver i think |
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| 18:45.14 | Thms | if lsmod return ntfs 192564 0, is ntfs support loaded ? |
| 18:45.20 | stoned | yes |
| 18:45.26 | stew | infester: the debian kernel already contains a driver for that card |
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| 18:46.03 | infester | stew: i was not able to modprobe bcm43xx thats why i thought it didnt :/ have any idea what i should try to do? only found information for gentoo comps |
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| 18:46.22 | stew | infester: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:46.36 | infester | 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 18:46.46 | Thms | stoned: so why I can't mount my ntfs disk ? |
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| 18:46.57 | stoned | Thms: tell me the command and the output |
| 18:46.59 | stoned | please |
| 18:47.00 | stew | infester: you have not finished upgrading from sarge to etch yet. please follow the procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:47.01 | alper | would anyone explain me this pls: http://nopaste.biz/?14847 |
| 18:47.02 | xand | infester: you need a newer kernel... the etch one has that module |
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| 18:47.15 | infester | thanks! |
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| 18:47.25 | Amarande | ok, this is driving me just a wee bit mad. :| |
| 18:47.35 | stoned | !tell Thms -about ntfs |
| 18:47.41 | Amarande | apparently ALSA is in fact set up correctly, since if I go into say VLC or somesuch and play a sound, sound works fine |
| 18:47.53 | stew | 13:32 < stew> alper: your local user named bncs does have permission to create files in root's home directory (correctly), you should change to some other directory first, perhaps /tmp or or bncs's home directory |
| 18:47.58 | Amarande | but the system still insists on using those dumb PC speaker beeps at certain times, like when showing the GNOME login screen |
| 18:47.59 | Thms | stoned: thanks |
| 18:48.02 | Amarande | why isn't that using the soundcard too? |
| 18:48.25 | stoned | Thms: read it, try it, if it still a no-go, ask me again |
| 18:48.38 | shafire | is there a another better package manager for debian? not apt-get, aptitude? |
| 18:48.43 | Thms | stoned: it was the gid/umask problem |
| 18:48.50 | Amarande | shafire: I like synaptic lately. :) |
| 18:48.51 | stew | shafire: yes, aptitude is the better one |
| 18:48.58 | shafire | no |
| 18:49.02 | shafire | i don't like both |
| 18:49.04 | stoned | you want a gui ? |
| 18:49.05 | shafire | is there another |
| 18:49.05 | alper | but i need to install things there stew. so temp isnt the right place for it, is it? |
| 18:49.06 | stew | shafire: oh, why not aptitude? it is certainly the best one debian has |
| 18:49.07 | shafire | console |
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| 18:49.11 | stoned | kynaptic, synaptic, blahblah |
| 18:49.17 | stoned | shafire: aptitude is best |
| 18:49.17 | shafire | console |
| 18:49.20 | shafire | mhm |
| 18:49.20 | Amarande | hmm, is dselect still maintained? :) |
| 18:49.26 | shafire | aptitude i don't like it |
| 18:49.26 | stoned | its is curses based in cli |
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| 18:49.33 | stew | alper: no, your user should not need to install stuff in root's home directory ; have your user install stuff the user's own directory |
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| 18:49.35 | Thms | how to know my gid ? |
| 18:49.36 | stoned | shafire: then you're shit out of luck |
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| 18:49.41 | xand | where are user crontabs stored? |
| 18:49.52 | stew | xand: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 18:49.53 | stoned | Thms: maybe cat /etc/passwd|grep yourusername |
| 18:49.56 | xand | thanks |
| 18:49.59 | Amarande | shafire, you could always go back to dselect :) |
| 18:50.13 | alper | am i not in the users dir already? its named sbnc@....:/$ |
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| 18:50.31 | stew | alper: waht does "pwd" return (pwd is the command that returns the currect directory) |
| 18:50.34 | schmidtsmikey | gibt es ein Tool von ATI, um den externen VGA-Anschluss zu konfigurieren? |
| 18:50.35 | Amarande | ahh, the good old Bo days when I ended up in an argument with another Linux admin about whether or not a port scan was a DOS attack |
| 18:50.51 | stew | alper: according to your prompt, you are in "/root" which is root's home directory |
| 18:50.52 | Amarande | I mean, from MY point of view, it WAS a DoS attack, he had 512Kbps or something like that and I was on dialup |
| 18:50.53 | alper | it gives out a / |
| 18:50.53 | Thms | thanks stoned |
| 18:50.59 | Amarande | plus, apparently Bo had a problem where port scans would crash inetd |
| 18:51.00 | stoned | yup |
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| 18:51.05 | alper | stew but i changed the user with "su sbnc" |
| 18:51.17 | Amarande | flooding and crashing my inetd, I think that counted as an attack ... ah well, Bo is no more anyway :) |
| 18:51.19 | Dave2 | but then they moved onto Selecta |
| 18:51.21 | Dave2 | and all was well |
| 18:51.25 | alper | h1277762:~# su sbnc |
| 18:51.25 | alper | sbnc@h1277762:/root$ mkdir sbnc |
| 18:51.40 | stew | alper: your user shouldn't be able to create files or directories in / either. "su uesrname" doesn't change the current directory, only the current user |
| 18:52.04 | jelly-home | alper: if you want to change to user's $HOME, try su - sbnc |
| 18:52.06 | alper | so i need to do cd sbnc first? |
| 18:52.19 | shafire | Amarande, are there not other good one? |
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| 18:52.33 | stew | alper: you need to read some kind of a basic unix tutorial |
| 18:52.37 | stoned | Bo Selecta! 'ear me now! Booyakasha! |
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| 18:52.44 | Amarande | shafire, all I know of are dselect, aptitude, and a number of GUI based interfaces to apt |
| 18:52.48 | jelly-home | alper: su without - keep all sorts of env. variables intact, including $HOME |
| 18:52.51 | alper | jelly-home, it helped thanks! |
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| 18:53.08 | stoned | Thoday, we's be tokin' 'bout dhebian! |
| 18:53.11 | alper | yes i really need to stew. started with linux stuff yesterday |
| 18:53.15 | shafire | Amarande, okay |
| 18:53.21 | shafire | because apt-get and aptitude looks crazy |
| 18:53.26 | shafire | than pacman |
| 18:53.27 | Amarande | anyway, any idea why GNOME would use PC speaker boops for some things when ALSA is fully installed and working and available? |
| 18:53.30 | stoned | aptitude is da bomb |
| 18:53.59 | rahul | shafire: they think you look crazy |
| 18:54.06 | stoned | Amarande: go to bios and disable pc speaker should be an option. Or disconnect the wire |
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| 18:54.20 | Amarande | stoned: there isn't an option to get it to use a sound card ding instead, though, is there? |
| 18:54.29 | stoned | Amarande: i don't use gnome |
| 18:54.33 | rahul | Amarande: because the X server is supposed to work that way. man xset to change the tone. |
| 18:55.04 | stoned | I just never connected the pc speaker wire when I installed my motherboard |
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| 18:55.16 | stoned | I _HATE_ that friggin sound |
| 18:55.26 | rahul | which of the sounds? |
| 18:55.32 | rahul | middle C? |
| 18:55.34 | stoned | ding and boops |
| 18:55.34 | Amarande | rahul: "boop" |
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| 18:55.46 | stoned | boop? |
| 18:55.46 | rahul | stoned: choose your frequency |
| 18:55.48 | stoned | betty boop. |
| 18:55.50 | stoned | ahahaha |
| 18:55.55 | Amarande | It annoys the bloody flaming Light out of me, too |
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| 18:56.01 | Amarande | especially since it reminds me of Guild Wars under Windows |
| 18:56.13 | Amarande | speaking of which, apparently no, the etch version of Wine is not sufficient to run gw :| |
| 18:56.15 | rahul | sound annoys you or some specific frequency? |
| 18:56.24 | stoned | rahul: pc speaker annoys me |
| 18:56.25 | stew | Amarande: blacklist pcspkr if you don't want to hear your speaker, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:56.27 | rahul | stoned: why? |
| 18:56.33 | alper | thanks a lot stew jelly-home, i made it working now and learned a lot of stuff today:) |
| 18:56.36 | stoned | what do you mean why |
| 18:56.40 | Amarande | I just did xset b off, at least that will eliminate the more annoying one |
| 18:56.45 | rahul | stoned: all possible tones annoy you? |
| 18:56.48 | rahul | heh |
| 18:56.53 | stoned | rahul: if something annoys you, and i ask why, would you have any reasons? |
| 18:57.00 | rahul | you can get the damn thing to play a raaga if you want |
| 18:57.01 | stoned | like why do you eat apple jacks? |
| 18:57.08 | stoned | why do you like apple jacks? |
| 18:57.10 | stoned | cuz I do! |
| 18:57.13 | Amarande | Back in my Windows days, Guild Wars would occasionally lock up hard other than the mouse, and after a short while of moving the mouse, I'd hear a boop and then that would stop too. |
| 18:57.14 | stoned | go away |
| 18:57.15 | stoned | :) |
| 18:57.19 | rahul | heh |
| 18:57.21 | Amarande | Ever since, 'boop' has annoyed the bloody flaming Light out of me. |
| 18:57.22 | rahul | stoned: you tool |
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| 18:57.32 | stoned | no I'm not |
| 18:57.35 | stoned | tools are useful. |
| 18:57.37 | itchi | Hi, how do i exclude some dirs when using tar? I not realy understand the patern to use with the --exclude of the man page |
| 18:57.43 | Amarande | Blood and bloody ashes, I suppose I have to go with Cedega now, or use sid packages :| |
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| 18:57.53 | rahul | stoned: set the boop to have whatever freq you want |
| 18:57.59 | stoned | rahul: i dont' wanna |
| 18:58.05 | rahul | stoned: yo mama |
| 18:58.09 | stoned | i'll have to open up my case and plug in the wire |
| 18:58.15 | stoned | fsck it, im good without it |
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| 19:00.50 | stoned | rahul: i remember back in 8th grade, I used qbasic and set up a loop, cycling from a low freq. to a high one.. then just compile it into an exe, put it into autoexec.bat and set +h on the .exe file. |
| 19:00.55 | stoned | in the library computers |
| 19:00.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:01.02 | stoned | they couldn't figure it out for weeks |
| 19:01.03 | rahul | who didn't? heh |
| 19:01.08 | stoned | they didn't what the hell was wrong with it |
| 19:01.12 | stoned | know* |
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| 19:01.27 | Thms | is there another thing like ntp ? |
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| 19:01.53 | stoned | Thms: why _not_ ntp? |
| 19:01.59 | stoned | got a problem with ntp? |
| 19:02.02 | Thms | stoned: it don't work |
| 19:02.10 | Thms | stoned: yes, apt-get install ntp ntpdate worked |
| 19:02.11 | stoned | !wayttd Thms |
| 19:02.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Thms? |
| 19:02.13 | rahul | Thms: it does work |
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| 19:02.23 | abrotman | chrony |
| 19:02.26 | Thms | stoned: I am trying to have a correct hour on my PC |
| 19:02.39 | stoned | Thms: aptitude install ntpdate && sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 19:02.52 | Thms | wait I try chrony |
| 19:03.03 | rahul | haha |
| 19:03.05 | stoned | Thms: make sure tzconfig is good |
| 19:03.12 | rahul | chrony. hahahahahaha |
| 19:03.14 | stoned | you have selected the correct time zone et.c |
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| 19:04.03 | xand | you can set the site from a freeview signal if that helps |
| 19:04.06 | xand | erm |
| 19:04.10 | xand | you can set the time from a freeview signal if that helps |
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| 19:05.22 | Thms | stoned: your installation worked, but why when I use gnome I right click on the clock at the top of my screen, and I click set the hour, it says the ntp support is not there |
| 19:05.36 | stoned | im not the guy to ask about gnome |
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| 19:05.45 | stoned | talk to abrotman |
| 19:05.55 | alper | i wonder if my host has installed the webstuff (php, mysql, apache, ftp) already. with ps aux i see a dir called "www-data" how can i find out if there is already an apache server running? |
| 19:06.11 | Thms | stoned: what do you use ? |
| 19:06.15 | stoned | Thms: KDE |
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| 19:06.33 | Thms | stoned: okay |
| 19:06.34 | xand | alper: ps doesn't list directories... ps -ef | grep apache |
| 19:06.44 | jhasse | What does the debian/compat file do when creating packages? |
| 19:06.59 | itchi | Oh, it should be tar cjf ../$FILENAME.tar.bz2 --exclude=/dir2 . :-) |
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| 19:08.07 | bippi | hi |
| 19:08.11 | kdean06 | Can someone help me setup an eth interface on a board that thinks there are none? I'm using an nvidia MCP61 chipset which SHOULD also control the eth0 interface. lspci reports the rest of the devices, but no ethernet controllers. |
| 19:08.17 | stoned | Thms: try irc.gnome.org #gnome or #gnome here on freenode |
| 19:08.32 | Thms | okay |
| 19:09.07 | alper | xand, k what does it tell me? it lisst me all those processes? |
| 19:09.12 | alper | but where is that dir |
| 19:09.15 | alper | or whatever is it |
| 19:09.21 | alper | i mean whereever its stored |
| 19:09.25 | alper | the "www-data" |
| 19:09.28 | alper | how to find that out? |
| 19:09.30 | stoned | !enter |
| 19:09.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 19:09.41 | rahul | holy shit |
| 19:09.51 | stoned | hmm? |
| 19:10.00 | itchi | kdean06: See you him with ifconfig -a ? |
| 19:10.01 | xand | alper: it's the user, not a directory |
| 19:10.03 | stoned | rahul: christ feces? |
| 19:10.07 | dererk[work] | which was the factid for cloning boxes? |
| 19:10.08 | alper | ohhh |
| 19:10.13 | bippi | where is fisically stored that I have installed a certain package at a certain version? |
| 19:10.14 | dererk[work] | clone what? |
| 19:10.15 | alper | thats explains a lot, xand :) |
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| 19:10.18 | rahul | stoned: the raw material for a penix |
| 19:10.22 | stoned | ugh |
| 19:10.26 | rahul | haha |
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| 19:10.30 | Thms | a crontab with 0 2 * * * is all 2 minuts ? |
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| 19:10.48 | stoned | bippi: clone a deb install on another box? |
| 19:10.55 | stoned | !listkeys clone |
| 19:10.56 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'clone' by key (10): ale clone ;; _default debian clone ;; #debian debian clone ;; clone #DEL# ;; aptitude clone ;; clone ;; #debian clone ;; debian clone ;; ale-clone ;; _default clone. |
| 19:11.02 | stoned | !debian clone |
| 19:11.03 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 19:11.03 | kdean06 | itchi, Odd, It's showing eth3 now... I'm rebooting to see if it jumps to eth4... I've heard reports of this. :) |
| 19:11.10 | dererk[work] | stoned, thanks a lot |
| 19:11.17 | valdyn | Thms: no, at 2:00, on every day, rtfm |
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| 19:11.24 | bippi | @stoned: no I'd like to fake a virtual package |
| 19:11.31 | itchi | kdean06: Probably, it's just not yet configured |
| 19:11.35 | stoned | bippi: what now? |
| 19:11.38 | stoned | fake? |
| 19:11.55 | kdean06 | Okay, yes, it's now showing eth4... |
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| 19:12.24 | bippi | I mean I have a virtual package that require pkg-x, I want the virtual pkg installed but not a its dependency |
| 19:12.30 | krazykit | bippi, bippi i think you want equivs |
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| 19:13.45 | bippi | where can i find more info about equivs? does it work also when I upgrade the virtual package? |
| 19:14.11 | valdyn | bippi: what's the point of avoiding the dependency? you have a replacement? |
| 19:14.22 | Amarande | hmm, anyone remember if dual channel RAM is required for a dual core CPU, or if single channel will work? |
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| 19:14.52 | valdyn | Amarande: WHAT? |
| 19:15.12 | Amarande | valdyn: I'm about to go ahead and order a 4200+ before they're all gone |
| 19:15.13 | sohmestra | Amarande: it's not required. |
| 19:15.26 | bippi | I know that some deps of a virtual package aren't important, themes fonts,.. so I want the virtual package but i don't want to install certain deps |
| 19:15.35 | valdyn | Amarande: you're mixing up things, there's no dual channel 'RAM' for mainboards |
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| 19:16.10 | valdyn | Amarande: either your board supports that cpu or it does not. |
| 19:16.46 | infester | stew: thank you! it all works |
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| 19:17.04 | infester | although i cannot set encryption before connecting to my accesspoint |
| 19:17.58 | infester | it says "bcm43xx: set security called, .active_key =0, .level=1, .enabled=1, .encrypt=1" |
| 19:18.07 | Amarande | and yes, my board definitely supports the X2 4200+ |
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| 19:18.19 | infester | i get that when i write iwconfig eth2 enc <wep> |
| 19:18.22 | Amarande | in fact, this very board is the most popular item ordered alongside this CPU at Amazon. :) |
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| 19:18.27 | bippi | ..or I'd like to manually change the db to fake that the deps are installed |
| 19:18.40 | Amarande | I was wondering of the relationship between "Single Channel" and "Dual Channel" memory and single and dual core CPUs |
| 19:19.06 | xand | Amarande: there isnt one |
| 19:19.17 | bippi | what is the file that contains the db of "dpkg -l |
| 19:19.17 | bippi | "? |
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| 19:19.30 | valdyn | Amarande: its a mainboard chipset feature utilising 2 ram banks as 2 channels |
| 19:19.42 | Amarande | ahh, good. :) |
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| 19:19.50 | Amarande | well, at least I can have dual core, and without a loss in clock speed. |
| 19:20.00 | stew | bippi: i assume you mean a meta-pacakge and not a virtual package (virutal pacakges don't have deps) |
| 19:20.05 | Amarande | the 4200+ appears to be the dual core version of the 3500+, pretty much. |
| 19:20.08 | jelly | A poll, which one to use on a desktop system to make it cooler? cpufreqd, cpudyn, powernowd, or just load cpufreq_ondemand kernel module and let it do its job? |
| 19:20.17 | stew | bippi: you should not try to trick the package management system |
| 19:20.40 | valdyn | jelly: dont add a daemon, use one you run anyway or none at all |
| 19:20.54 | jelly | valdyn: I don't run any at present. |
| 19:21.06 | valdyn | jelly: so cpufreq_ondemand |
| 19:21.08 | shafire | hi |
| 19:21.09 | stew | bippi: do you use apt-get or aptitude or what? |
| 19:21.10 | shafire | i have debian |
| 19:21.14 | shafire | i installed locales |
| 19:21.18 | valdyn | jelly: powernowd has alot more features that are worthwhile |
| 19:21.31 | valdyn | jelly: the other daemons are pretty much pointless |
| 19:21.31 | bippi | stew: yes meta and not virtual, I just would like to force that some deps are installed while they aren't, ideas? |
| 19:21.35 | Amarande | If I wanted to run sid, I would run sid ... heh |
| 19:22.10 | bippi | stew: yes i use apt, dpkg |
| 19:22.23 | stew | bippi: apt-cache show equivs ; but you really shouln't do this, you should just install the packages you want. the aptitude front end would help you do this since you could use the meta-package to pull in the deps, unmark the ones you want as auto, then remove the meta-package |
| 19:22.28 | rahul | bippi: you expect that to work? |
| 19:22.45 | stew | bippi: i'd strongly encourage you not to outwit the package manager |
| 19:22.58 | shafire | where can i change the locales? |
| 19:23.01 | stew | ^outwit^try to outwit |
| 19:23.02 | valdyn | jelly: oh, sorry, powernowd is as pointless as the others, i was mixing it up with powersaved |
| 19:23.02 | rahul | he who tries to outwit makes himself a nitwit |
| 19:23.06 | stew | shafire: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:23.30 | bippi | @all: I'm sure that my system will work without that deps! |
| 19:23.39 | JordiGH | What's up with the KDE science & math being so empty? |
| 19:23.40 | rahul | bippi: then the package you want has a bug |
| 19:23.42 | shafire | stew, okay i did it and installed en_US utf8 --> but the menue from consoel aptitude looks crazy not lines there some chars |
| 19:23.46 | valdyn | rahul: no |
| 19:23.49 | JordiGH | The KDE menu, that is. |
| 19:23.57 | rahul | bippi: if it doesn't need the package to run, then it shouldn't depend on it |
| 19:23.58 | stew | bippi: then you don't want to install the meta-pacakge |
| 19:24.05 | stew | rahul: its a meta-pacakge |
| 19:24.05 | JordiGH | Did someone change something in policy about this menu and I missed it? |
| 19:24.05 | valdyn | bippi: use equivs |
| 19:24.15 | valdyn | rahul: no |
| 19:24.26 | stew | shafire: that is a font / terminal problem, not a locale problem |
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| 19:24.43 | shafire | stew, how to solve it? |
| 19:24.47 | valdyn | he wants something like gnome without ekiga |
| 19:24.53 | JordiGH | shafire: Tell your terminal to read a different charset. |
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| 19:25.00 | shafire | mhm |
| 19:25.08 | valdyn | bippi: im not sure why its bothering so much that would would spend time on it though |
| 19:25.14 | rahul | bippi: why makes you think you know what the metapackage actually indicates? have you checked how the package that depends on it interacts with the various possible candidates? |
| 19:25.17 | shafire | JordiGH, LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:25.27 | shafire | are there problems with that? |
| 19:25.43 | JordiGH | shafire: No, your terminal. Konsole or xterm or whatever the Gnome terminal is called. |
| 19:25.43 | bippi | I don't have an alternative to a pkg, i simply would like to fake that some packages are installed, I know that i could manually install all the pkg I want, but if I use the meta it would be much simple |
| 19:25.56 | stew | shafire: what terminal emulator are you using? have you tried running it in a plain xterm ? |
| 19:26.02 | valdyn | bippi: tell us what you really want to do |
| 19:26.04 | shafire | putty |
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| 19:26.07 | valdyn | bippi: not this meta-bs |
| 19:26.10 | rahul | bippi: don't install the frigging gnome-desktop-environment metapackage, then! |
| 19:26.10 | JordiGH | putty? |
| 19:26.15 | shafire | JordiGH, stew putty |
| 19:26.19 | stew | shafire: try it in an xterm intead |
| 19:26.25 | JordiGH | shafire: You're sshing into Debian from a Windows box? |
| 19:26.29 | shafire | yes |
| 19:26.32 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 19:26.38 | stew | shafire: oh, i have no idea how to fix windows |
| 19:26.43 | bippi | rahul: you got the point |
| 19:26.49 | rahul | bippi: so don't install it! |
| 19:26.58 | JordiGH | Putty is in Debian, however. |
| 19:27.02 | stew | bippi: equivs is what you are looking for, but you shouln't be doing what you are looking to do |
| 19:27.03 | shafire | stew, JordiGH the problem is, it was on de_DE@euro that had worked, but en_US.utf8 not |
| 19:27.04 | hark | shafire: did you choose utf8 as the encoding in putty? |
| 19:27.04 | shafire | :( |
| 19:27.16 | shafire | hark, no :D |
| 19:27.21 | JordiGH | I don't know if the putty in Debian is different from the putty in Windows. |
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| 19:27.29 | hark | shafire: then do so? |
| 19:27.34 | shafire | yeah |
| 19:27.36 | shafire | i saw it now |
| 19:27.36 | shafire | :D |
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| 19:27.48 | JordiGH | So. |
| 19:27.52 | JordiGH | Why is Beryl not in Debian? |
| 19:27.58 | bippi | I what the meta package installed, so I don't have to worry if a new package is added, but some deps I KNOW I'd like to not install them |
| 19:28.01 | stew | JordiGH: its in the NEW queue waiting approval |
| 19:28.16 | JordiGH | stew: Ah, kewl. I thought it might be in experimental. :-) |
| 19:28.23 | rahul | bippi: that's crazy talk |
| 19:28.26 | JordiGH | stew: How long has it been there? |
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| 19:28.50 | stew | bippi: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:28.53 | raf256 | hi |
| 19:29.06 | h3sp4wn | bippi: if you are using aptitude maybe you want to set the recommended packages by default off |
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| 19:29.13 | raf256 | my alsa do not work, can I install a bit older version? |
| 19:29.18 | rahul | h3sp4wn: these are deps, not recs |
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| 19:29.19 | stew | h3sp4wn: becuase that has nothign to do with his question |
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| 19:29.34 | jelly | JordiGH: isn't beryl going to be integrated with compiz soonish? |
| 19:29.43 | JordiGH | jelly: That's the promise. |
| 19:30.02 | cahoot | raf256: why do you think an earlier alsa version would help? |
| 19:30.04 | h3sp4wn | stew: could possibly pull in unneeded junk |
| 19:30.06 | bippi | pls, if you know tell me the file that save the installed packages |
| 19:30.17 | JordiGH | Beryl is working very nicely for me. As soon as someone figures out an easy way to get different backgrounds on each side of the cube, I'll be completely happy. |
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| 19:30.23 | vin` | JordiGH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00647.html |
| 19:30.23 | raf256 | cahoot: erlier I got more options in kmix or alsaconfig |
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| 19:30.35 | raf256 | now some of them are gone like microphon boost which I think will help |
| 19:30.54 | h3sp4wn | rahul: aptitude treats rec's as deps by default |
| 19:31.03 | alper | can anyone link me to a tutorial, which explains how to install plesk on a debian machine? |
| 19:31.15 | JordiGH | vin`: Ack! Freeness issues? I didn't even look at that. |
| 19:31.16 | cahoot | raf256: by alsacon you mean alsamixer? |
| 19:31.18 | xingu | rss-glx brings my work notebook's ati x1300 to a crawl... not this monster. :) |
| 19:31.19 | rahul | h3sp4wn: you're on crack |
| 19:31.24 | raf256 | cahoot: yes |
| 19:31.26 | rahul | h3sp4wn: they ARE deps, not recs. |
| 19:31.34 | outlaw84_ | I got a firewall and behind the firewall I got two computers... ssh running on both, port 22 and 1984.... they have diffrent keys offcource... whats the easiest way to set my external ssh client so that it wont freaks out every time I switch between there servers? |
| 19:31.37 | rahul | h3sp4wn: when I say something, I mean what I say, not what I don't say |
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| 19:32.00 | JordiGH | vin`: Strange. The dotdebs from debian.beryl-project.org all seem to say GPL in their /usr/share/doc/*/copyright files... |
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| 19:33.36 | JordiGH | vin`: Hm. All I can find is that someone added the condition "Give credit where credit is due, keep the authors message below." to a BSD-like license in beryl-plugins... |
| 19:33.47 | karsten | JordiGH: Why is this strange? |
| 19:33.48 | vin` | JordiGH: some icons iirc, should be resolved soon. beryl has also merged back with compiz, so might be a little longer until all this gets sorted. |
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| 19:33.58 | bippi | I think equivs could be useful for me, do you have a guide for it? |
| 19:34.08 | h3sp4wn | rahul: what I said above is true (without explicit action) - and I don't really care what you say |
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| 19:34.21 | karsten | bippi: aptitude install equivs; man equivs |
| 19:34.35 | rahul | h3sp4wn: but cheese is made of milk! |
| 19:34.44 | JordiGH | karsten: Because I'm wondering why the dotdebs from debian.beryl-project.org are having issues when it seems everything is under a free license. |
| 19:34.53 | peterS | karsten: did you try that? there is no manpage for equivs |
| 19:34.59 | karsten | JordiGH: What is dotdebs? |
| 19:35.03 | JordiGH | vin`: Oh, the merge has already happened? |
| 19:35.05 | JordiGH | karsten: .deb |
| 19:35.08 | karsten | peterS: No, I didn't. |
| 19:35.16 | JordiGH | karsten: Debian package files. |
| 19:35.24 | rahul | what other random truths should we mention now that we're on the topic? |
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| 19:35.50 | karsten | bippi: The manpages are for equivs-build and equivs-control, there's also docs under /usr/share/doc/equivs/examples |
| 19:36.32 | karsten | peterS: The manpages exist for the binaries in the package, which aren't named "equivs", but correspond to manpages specified above. Good catch though. |
| 19:36.45 | karsten | peterS: ... so it's Policy compliant. |
| 19:36.51 | peterS | karsten: right. I should know, I'm slightly involved with that package (: |
| 19:36.56 | karsten | peterS: WRT manpages at least. |
| 19:37.01 | rahul | bippi: by the way, you _will_ be told when new packages are introduced |
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| 19:37.30 | rahul | bippi: so you're just trying to automate something that you'll be asked to verify anyway |
| 19:37.34 | dererk[work] | does anyone other see the aptitude man as this: \fBTMPDIR\fR \fBTMP\fR \fBHOME\fR |
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| 19:37.36 | dererk[work] | ? |
| 19:37.43 | bippi | there is no man equivs, does it works also with a dist-upgrade? |
| 19:37.55 | JordiGH | Ooh, irssi recognises *bold*, /italics/, and _underline_ ? |
| 19:38.00 | JordiGH | Hm, not italics. Oh well. |
| 19:38.01 | karsten | bippi: read backlog. |
| 19:38.01 | rahul | bippi: why are you using apt-get? |
| 19:38.13 | peterS | JordiGH: yeah it also recognises bold |
| 19:38.25 | rahul | peterS: it also recognizes underline |
| 19:38.28 | dererk[work] | Hi, somebody here? :) |
| 19:38.35 | streuner | no ;-) |
| 19:38.38 | peterS | rahul: yeah but I don't know how to render underline on irc |
| 19:38.38 | JordiGH | dererk[work]: no. |
| 19:38.39 | rahul | dererk[work]: your troff is broken |
| 19:38.49 | rahul | peterS: _like_ _this_? |
| 19:38.58 | karsten | peterS: Have you heard about the recent revise of Star Trek's motto to become HTML standards conformant? |
| 19:39.00 | peterS | rahul: oh that way, I meant without visible artifacts, much like my word bold |
| 19:39.07 | streuner | dererk[work]: what happens if you just use 'apt-get'? |
| 19:39.10 | rahul | which word bold? |
| 19:39.12 | karsten | peterS: It now goes <strongly> where no man has gone before. |
| 19:39.24 | peterS | karsten: ha |
| 19:39.36 | bippi | rahul: what else could I use? If I use aptitude can I ignore some deps? |
| 19:39.42 | dererk[work] | rahul, sorry, don't know what "troff" means |
| 19:39.43 | rahul | bippi: you are a tool. |
| 19:39.48 | rahul | dererk[work]: it's what formats man pages |
| 19:39.51 | peterS | rahul: are you saying your irc client doesn't highlight these three words specially? |
| 19:39.57 | rahul | peterS: which 3? |
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| 19:40.10 | dererk[work] | rahul, any idea how to solve it? |
| 19:40.10 | infester | Hmm, i have a very strange problem... i've recently got wifi working... so i've specified essid and wep-key for my accessp point... my accesspoint tells me the client is logged in, but i do not get a dhcpclient response and network is unreachable :S |
| 19:40.14 | peterS | rahul: I guess it doesn't. what IRC client are you using? |
| 19:40.15 | rahul | dererk[work]: dunno... |
| 19:40.18 | rahul | peterS: irssi |
| 19:40.24 | alper | how can i install plesk 7.5 reloaded on debian? |
| 19:40.30 | dererk[work] | streuner, aptitude is the recommended package manager for etch :) |
| 19:40.31 | peterS | rahul: irssi puts "these three words" in bold, for me |
| 19:40.39 | rahul | bippi: don't install the metapackage. you will be TOLD when new packages are added! |
| 19:40.47 | bippi | rahul: what are you suggesting me? a manual installation for every deb? |
| 19:40.53 | streuner | dererk[work]: really? |
| 19:40.56 | dererk[work] | rahul, ok, thanks |
| 19:41.16 | vin` | peterS: doesn't here, some script perhaps? |
| 19:41.37 | rahul | bippi: go into the metapackage's deps and hit + on the ones you want to install |
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| 19:41.47 | peterS | vin`: I'm not running very many irssi scripts, so I doubt that. maybe your terminal type just doesn't have a visual distinction for bold? |
| 19:41.51 | bippi | rahul: i know but sometimes the distro add new (useful) deps to the metapkg |
| 19:41.55 | alper | how can i install plesk 7.5 reloaded on debian? |
| 19:42.05 | rahul | bippi: AND YOU WILL BE TOLD ABOUT ALL NEW PACKAGES ANYWAY |
| 19:42.19 | rahul | ugh. |
| 19:42.41 | stew | rahul: if he is annoying you to the point that you want to use all caps, just drop it and/or use ignore |
| 19:42.41 | dererk[work] | streuner, indeed |
| 19:42.43 | rahul | bippi: sorry. my computer is more intelliegent than you so I will talk to it instead |
| 19:43.13 | karsten | rahul: Could I interest you in a talking fish? |
| 19:44.10 | JordiGH | rahul: You have your mind on computers, it seems. |
| 19:44.10 | stew | bippi: what i'd suggest is that you use the aptitude frontend to help you figure out which of the dependencies you want, then subscribe to the metapackage in the package tracking system: http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename ; on that page you can enter an email address where you want to be sent email whenever the package changes |
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| 19:44.11 | stew | rahul: enough |
| 19:44.11 | vin` | peterS: dunno, uxterm + irssi, how could I check? |
| 19:44.13 | Nigromante | hello all |
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| 19:44.38 | bippi | rahul: probably your pc is more intelligent than you too, but if I install meta-x then I remove it, and then the distro add a new pkg to met-x, how will i know of this new pagkage? |
| 19:44.55 | rahul | bippi: because it'll be listed under new packages, duh |
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| 19:45.02 | peterS | vin`: xterm works fine for me. are you saying "*bold*" shows up in a bold font but "bold" does not? |
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| 19:45.46 | vin` | peterS: yes. |
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| 19:46.05 | peterS | vin`: odd. what versions of irssi and xterm do you have on your system? |
| 19:46.31 | JordiGH | "*foo*" |
| 19:46.32 | JordiGH | *foo* |
| 19:46.38 | JordiGH | The quotes confuse my irssi. |
| 19:46.40 | bippi | stew: thanks i didn't know it |
| 19:46.55 | peterS | JordiGH: indeed, but do you see "foo" in bold or not? |
| 19:46.56 | rahul | stew: *bold* does. "*bold*" does not |
| 19:46.56 | vin` | peterS: 0.8.10-2 and 225-1 |
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| 19:47.33 | karsten | JordiGH: Dittos here, FWIW. |
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| 19:51.31 | bippi | rahul: It's written nowhere that an old dep will depend to a new one, and it could happen than a metapkg points to an old version of a pkg even if in the repository there is the new version |
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| 19:51.45 | rahul | what? |
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| 19:52.01 | rahul | bippi: you are making no sense at all |
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| 19:52.07 | JordiGH | bippi: No package points to package,version. It points just to package. This isn't rpm-land. |
| 19:52.15 | rohan | i just installed etch. however, it is taking that the system time currently set is UTC, whereas it is IST. but tzconfig shows that my current timezone is IST. how do i remedy it ? |
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| 19:52.23 | rahul | bippi: if you want newer versions, upgrade all your packages. |
| 19:52.31 | bippi | But if i have a 3rd part repo |
| 19:52.35 | JordiGH | rohan: tzconfig, as root. |
| 19:52.45 | dubbaluga | hi! can anyone please help me preventing the debian boot process (udev, modutils) loading the prism54.ko kernel-module? |
| 19:52.48 | JordiGH | bippi: Then you're no longer talking about Debian. |
| 19:53.14 | bippi | it will take the last avalaible pkg instead the most correct pkg |
| 19:53.18 | rohan | JordiGH: yes, but that still does not allow to me set whether the system time is UTC or no, as it did in the previous versions of installer |
| 19:53.27 | EdLin | bippi: third party repositories are agood way of messing apt-get up. |
| 19:53.46 | JordiGH | rohan: Really? |
| 19:53.51 | EdLin | bippi: there's a few good ones, like backports.org, though. |
| 19:53.55 | bippi | yes, it is no Debian, but If I use the meta it should happen |
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| 19:54.06 | rahul | bippi: no, it shouldn't |
| 19:54.09 | EdLin | bippi: wait a minute, you're not using Debian? |
| 19:54.10 | rohan | JordiGH: really. |
| 19:54.41 | bippi | yes I'm using a debian based system |
| 19:54.47 | EdLin | !debian based |
| 19:54.47 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:54.49 | rahul | bippi: you will always get the newest version |
| 19:54.58 | rahul | bippi: based on your pinning preferences |
| 19:55.04 | JordiGH | rohan: Hrm. |
| 19:55.22 | rohan | JordiGH: so, any other way i can make debian aware that my current system time is IST and not UTC ? |
| 19:55.29 | JordiGH | rohan: Actually, who's thinking the system clock is set to UTC? |
| 19:55.33 | rohan | editing some config file by hand, for exmpale ? |
| 19:55.35 | rohan | JordiGH: debian is. |
| 19:55.41 | JordiGH | rohan: Where? How? |
| 19:55.50 | JordiGH | rohan: What does the date command say? |
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| 19:56.01 | bippi | dpkg: this is the best chan where to talk about apt & dpkg |
| 19:56.02 | dpkg | bippi: what are you talking about? |
| 19:56.08 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ date |
| 19:56.08 | rohan | Tue Apr 24 06:56:05 IST 2007 |
| 19:56.16 | alper | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://autoinstall.plesk.com PSA_7.5.4/ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/autoinstall.plesk.com__debian_PSA%5f7.5.4_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:56.23 | alper | Ăź how to solve it? |
| 19:56.36 | JordiGH | rohan: So date knows you're on IST. Who's thinking you're on UTC, then? |
| 19:56.37 | EdLin | I assume that you're not talking about it in your distro's channel because: |
| 19:56.40 | EdLin | !they don't know |
| 19:56.40 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:56.48 | rohan | JordiGH: date --utc gives Tue Apr 24 01:26:19 UTC 2007 which is my current system time set in the bios, but which is IST and not UTC |
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| 19:56.53 | rahul | alper: ask plesk.com. we don't manage their servers. |
| 19:57.04 | rohan | i.e., JordiGH , it is 01:26 in IST and UTC as date thinks |
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| 19:57.11 | xingu | rohan: etc/default/rcS |
| 19:57.27 | JordiGH | Where's IST anyways? |
| 19:57.28 | xingu | rohan: ... UTC=no for you. |
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| 19:57.37 | rohan | yes, it is already that |
| 19:57.38 | rohan | UTC=no |
| 19:57.39 | peterS | JordiGH: india. UTC + 5:30 |
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| 19:58.04 | rohan | how do i see what my current "system" time is ? i.e. the time set in the bios ? |
| 19:58.23 | EdLin | brb |
| 19:58.29 | peterS | rohan: /sbin/hwclock |
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| 19:59.12 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ sudo /sbin/hwclock --show |
| 19:59.14 | rohan | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 19:59.26 | bippi | dpkg: my system is fully working and I'm not mixing different distrp debs. I just asked technical info about apt-get & c |
| 19:59.26 | dpkg | ...but my system is already something else... |
| 19:59.38 | rohan | bippi: dpkg is a bot |
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| 20:00.31 | bippi | hi bot :) |
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| 20:00.39 | Roey | hi |
| 20:00.41 | Roey | --> bobbyd (n=rob@82-41-83-99.cable.ubr01.dund.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #kubuntu |
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| 20:00.51 | Roey | dah |
| 20:00.53 | Roey | sorry! |
| 20:01.05 | rohan | any more ideas on this date thingie ? |
| 20:01.07 | Roey | hi, why does XChat have problems looking up IRC server when it's connecting, while at the same time I can ping them fine from an xterm? It happens with more than one IRC server (EFNet, OFTC and Freenode, here) |
| 20:01.44 | Octopssy | I'm currently following a howto about setting up DNS servers on linux systems, and its explaining about setting some zone stuff on the primairy one. In my case the primairy DNS server is my router, any chance I can set those settings at a router? |
| 20:02.03 | rohan | how do i reconfigure my X server to use synaptics and not normal mouse for my touchpad ? |
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| 20:02.11 | peterS | Octopssy: is your router running Debian? |
| 20:02.12 | Amarande | Octopssy, what kind of router do you have that's actually a DNS server? |
| 20:02.38 | Octopssy | Amarande: I ment of course that my router is connecting to a server of my ISP sry |
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| 20:02.48 | Octopssy | no it isnt peterS |
| 20:02.51 | peterS | Octopssy: is your ISP running Debian, then? |
| 20:02.56 | Amarande | Octopssy: There's two possible scenarios here |
| 20:03.03 | bzed | Octopssy: you just want to use dnsmasq then |
| 20:03.15 | bippi | bye bye |
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| 20:03.18 | Amarande | Either you want to use the ISP's DNS servers, in which case your router will provide them to your other PC when (if) it uses DHCP to get its IP |
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| 20:03.20 | bzed | Octopssy: bins or something like that doesn;t make sense on a router at all |
| 20:03.29 | Octopssy | hmm ok |
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| 20:03.37 | bzed | *bind |
| 20:03.47 | Amarande | Or you want a caching DNS server in which case you install BIND, and refer to THAT machine as your DNS server, and do not worry about the ISP ones. |
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| 20:04.35 | Octopssy | yes that's what I do |
| 20:04.37 | Octopssy | but I get it |
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| 20:05.11 | Amarande | For instance, I run BIND on alviarin, so I refer to 127.0.0.1 as my primary (and only) DNS server and that's that. |
| 20:06.31 | Amarande | ok, this is a little bit weird |
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| 20:06.44 | Amarande | GNOME's status box in the upper right corner insists that I have no network connection. :) |
| 20:06.45 | nn-laptop2 | Help !! my server cant get on the web with the new cable conection what is going rong dhclient returns fine but ping google.com host not found |
| 20:06.47 | nn-laptop2 | ?? |
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| 20:06.58 | Amarande | nn-laptop2, do you have a DNS server? |
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| 20:07.20 | nn-laptop2 | ?? i think that is auto from comcast |
| 20:07.20 | Amarande | Most reliable is probably just to use BIND |
| 20:07.37 | nn-laptop2 | maby i dont know |
| 20:07.40 | Amarande | apt-get install bind, set resolv.conf to refer to 127.0.0.1 only, and make bloody flaming sure you keep BIND updated |
| 20:08.14 | Amarande | if you do that, your computer will handle its own DNS by itself and not worry about whether an ISP's DNS server is functioning |
| 20:08.28 | nn-laptop2 | ? |
| 20:08.31 | nn-laptop2 | ok? |
| 20:08.35 | Amarande | bind is a DNS server itself |
| 20:08.46 | Amarande | which means the computer would provide its own DNS server instead of needing to connect to one provided by your ISP |
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| 20:08.53 | nn-laptop2 | what line do i put in the resuv .conf |
| 20:08.58 | jup2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.17 | Amarande | If you install BIND, the only line you need is "nameserver 127.0.0.1" |
| 20:09.57 | Amarande | like I said though, make absolutely sure you keep BIND updated, it seems to be ok now but it's one of the most popular services for crackers to target to look for holes |
| 20:10.19 | nn-laptop2 | what about the search linue |
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| 20:10.21 | nn-laptop2 | line |
| 20:11.18 | Amarande | you can leave that as is, if you have one |
| 20:11.23 | Amarande | mine didn't have one, and doesn't seem to need one |
| 20:12.04 | jup2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:12.18 | Amarande | jup2, did you install an X server? |
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| 20:12.40 | rohan | jup2: is a gui starting ? |
| 20:12.41 | jup2 | x-window-system-core + kde-core |
| 20:12.42 | nn-laptop2 | un known host google |
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| 20:12.58 | jup2 | i am in kde but i can only run gnome applictions |
| 20:12.59 | stew | jup2: why can't you start them? |
| 20:13.00 | Amarande | nn-laptop2, did you apt-get install bind like I told you to? |
| 20:13.07 | jup2 | i dont know |
| 20:13.16 | stew | jup2: what happens when you try? |
| 20:13.19 | jup2 | i get a very wired output |
| 20:13.32 | Amarande | actually, you should apt-get install bind9 |
| 20:13.33 | stew | jup2: put the output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:13.36 | Amarande | that one is newer, and a little better |
| 20:13.46 | Amarande | though Debian seems to keep up with the security well on all release packages |
| 20:13.58 | stew | damn are we really still shipping bind8? |
| 20:14.01 | jup2 | w8 its on danish i will try get it ito egnlish 2 sek and by the way short output :) |
| 20:14.01 | Amarande | and both should operate |
| 20:14.02 | Amarande | stew: yup |
| 20:14.08 | Amarande | it's actually the default bind package still |
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| 20:14.12 | Amarande | you have to type bind9 to get bind9 |
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| 20:14.23 | stew | bind 8 is only for people who are too lazy to upgrade their very old configs |
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| 20:14.45 | dim | hi |
| 20:14.46 | plb | woah brute force kitty lol http://www.annforfungi.co.uk/screenshots/bruteforcecat.jpg |
| 20:14.50 | Amarande | nn-laptop2, change that line to "nameserver 4.2.2.1" and then do apt-get install bind9 |
| 20:14.57 | Amarande | then you should be able to change it back to 127.0.0.1 without problems |
| 20:15.01 | dim | does the etch installer allow to install on raid10 soft? |
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| 20:15.13 | mikey | if I use kde, do any gnome items get loaded at boot? |
| 20:15.39 | valdyn | mikey: probably |
| 20:15.49 | Amarande | mikey: nothing X really loads at *boot* other than your display manager and the X server |
| 20:15.59 | Amarande | other stuff doesn't load till you log in |
| 20:16.05 | Amarande | in which case it depends on what you have set to run when you log on |
| 20:16.09 | stew | jup2: "LANG=C command" will do the sam as just "command" but the errors should be in english |
| 20:16.12 | mikey | ic |
| 20:16.29 | mikey | was thinking about deleting all gnome stuff as I don't use it anymore |
| 20:16.33 | mikey | any risk to doing so? |
| 20:16.38 | dim | Amarande: what about kdm/gdm? they load at boot before login, don't they? |
| 20:16.54 | valdyn | mikey: are you using gdm? |
| 20:17.02 | mikey | I see my system stopping gdm when I shut down |
| 20:17.21 | mikey | not sure, I'm still a newbie of sorts |
| 20:17.26 | dim | install kdm (and kdmthemes) then |
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| 20:17.36 | mikey | would gdm be necessary if I am now using kde? |
| 20:17.37 | valdyn | mikey: why does gnome components being installed bother you? |
| 20:17.48 | Amarande | mikey, you should probably install the gnome components anyway |
| 20:17.53 | valdyn | mikey: its not even necessary for gnome |
| 20:18.03 | mikey | well, I just figured if they load in memory then they would have a performance impact |
| 20:18.06 | Amarande | you'll have access to more apps that way |
| 20:18.09 | jup2 | it does'nt |
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| 20:18.14 | jup2 | why c? |
| 20:18.19 | valdyn | mikey: they dont load unless you explicitely run them |
| 20:18.22 | Amarande | especially, Gnome is based on Gtk+, which is much more popular for X apps these days than Qt which KDE is based on |
| 20:18.28 | Amarande | (KDE is still based on Qt, right?) |
| 20:18.38 | mikey | but, gdm does. And what does gdm do actually? |
| 20:18.45 | raf256 | this is unbelivable! |
| 20:18.46 | plb | hm I think I should ditch ubuntu on this box and go back to debian |
| 20:18.48 | valdyn | mikey: it manages your login |
| 20:18.51 | raf256 | the ALSA kernel module devels, are |
| 20:18.54 | itchi | Hi, are there tools like the zless that work on tar.bz2 files? |
| 20:18.55 | mikey | oh, ok |
| 20:18.56 | jup2 | ehmm i think it this: Exception in floating point operation |
| 20:18.59 | Amarande | plb: probably yes, unless you like running what's basically sid |
| 20:19.00 | raf256 | ...very nice people and fixed my problem, yey |
| 20:19.02 | simonrvn | itchi: bzless |
| 20:19.18 | simonrvn | oh a tar, just use tar ztf |
| 20:19.22 | plb | Amarande, lol |
| 20:19.22 | valdyn | mikey: dont worry about it, gdm will be swapped out and not take memory |
| 20:19.23 | simonrvn | er, jtf |
| 20:19.37 | simonrvn | itchi: tar jtf file.tar.bz2 |
| 20:19.46 | plb | Amarande, the one thing I wish was that gnome was a little better in debian...kde is great |
| 20:19.48 | mikey | ok, ty |
| 20:19.51 | Amarande | is zless even an application, anyway, or is it just a wrapper for "gunzip foo.gz | less"? |
| 20:20.01 | raf256 | any chance to backport quickly recent alsa driver into debian's kernel? year-old audio (nvidia) is not working witohut it |
| 20:20.04 | zinx | Amarande: it's a complex wrapper |
| 20:20.12 | zinx | Amarande: well, not as complex as it should be. |
| 20:20.17 | Amarande | I haven't tried KDE in a good while |
| 20:20.18 | simonrvn | either a wrapper, or a symlink, depending |
| 20:20.22 | Amarande | I've always preferred the gnome |
| 20:20.22 | zinx | Amardande: but it does autodetect if it's gz or not. |
| 20:20.33 | zinx | Amardande: it's a script |
| 20:20.34 | Amarande | I still want to know exactly why the network status icon is broken, though |
| 20:20.36 | Amarande | It wasn't broken before |
| 20:20.40 | mikey | long term linux users seem to prefer gnome over kde |
| 20:20.44 | mikey | seems like anyways |
| 20:20.45 | plb | Amarande, it's not that it isn't good it's just it's always dated |
| 20:20.45 | Amarande | I don't know what might have broken it though |
| 20:20.56 | stew | raf256: what version of alsa fixes it? |
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| 20:21.25 | itchi | simonrvn: Oooooh, great :-) |
| 20:21.32 | itchi | simonrvn: It work :-) |
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| 20:22.00 | jup2 | it doesnt matter what kde application i try start all get this out put : Exception in floating point operation |
| 20:22.06 | valdyn | !info alsa-source etch |
| 20:22.09 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-5 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 20:22.20 | stew | valdyn: any idea which version is in 2.6.18? |
| 20:22.30 | valdyn | stew: nope |
| 20:22.35 | stew | valdyn: suprising /sbin/modinfo isn't telling me |
| 20:22.50 | raf256 | stew: it doesnt work in vanilla 2.6.19.3, and it do work when adding kernel modules from alsa-driver-hg20070421.tar.bz2 snapshot, didnt check in between |
| 20:22.53 | plb | so it another 18month release cycle for lenny as well? |
| 20:23.35 | stew | raf256: well "m-a a-i alsa" would install newer drivers, the question is whether or not they are newer enough |
| 20:23.41 | nn-laptop2 | ack nothing is working |
| 20:23.51 | raf256 | !m-a |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:24.20 | nn-laptop2 | and the packet thing keeps dumping stuff packets to the shell as debug mesages |
| 20:24.22 | jelly | raf256: there's recent alsa-source in experimental |
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| 20:25.01 | rahul | stoned: you want some fruit? |
| 20:25.06 | stew | !no module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:25.13 | raf256 | jelly: should things like that be backported into stable? otherwise people cant even record sound |
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| 20:25.19 | rahul | my parents left a frigging orchard in my fridge |
| 20:25.51 | jelly | raf256: one can easily do it themselves, it's not really a critical issue is it |
| 20:25.57 | stew | raf256: new kenrels are available on backports.org, the kernel team is also going to release an updated stable kernel in 6 months or so |
| 20:26.03 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.14 | Amarande | rahul, any good apples or just the ordinary ones? |
| 20:26.24 | stew | sound support for recent sound cards is not a reason to rush kenrels into stable |
| 20:26.26 | Amarande | I've found a preference for Pink Lady and Sonya apples lately. :) |
| 20:26.29 | rahul | Amarande: the apples are mine :D |
| 20:26.32 | rahul | Gala |
| 20:26.34 | xlotlu | how can i dh_builddeb a single package from a source that provides more packages? |
| 20:26.44 | stew | i wish i could find pink ladies around here |
| 20:26.50 | stew | (apples that is) |
| 20:26.54 | raf256 | stew: what about people who need to use sound and are not into building all by hand |
| 20:27.03 | Amarande | stew: yeah, I can only find those precious things a few times a year |
| 20:27.08 | Amarande | and they're $1.99 a pound now |
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| 20:27.21 | Amarande | and the Sonyas are $2.49 with even less availability |
| 20:27.22 | valdyn | raf256: haven't you been told solutions? |
| 20:27.25 | stew | raf256: they use backports.org, a newer alsa-source package from unstable or they use testing |
| 20:28.41 | valdyn | mm, 1.0.13 is the latest stable alsa and its in etch. |
| 20:28.42 | rahul | stew: checked whole foods? |
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| 20:29.17 | raf256 | valdyn: would be nice to have more for-newbies one as well |
| 20:29.30 | raf256 | anyway, it works, cool |
| 20:29.56 | rahul | stew: their website mentions them, so they should stock them in some stores |
| 20:30.02 | stew | rahul: i will in 2008 when they open one in brooklyn |
| 20:30.08 | rahul | heh |
| 20:30.19 | stew | raf256: do you have a suggestion as to how that could happen? |
| 20:30.27 | jelly | raf256: are you stepping up to maintain the backport? :-) |
| 20:30.41 | stew | the backports already has willing maintainers |
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| 20:30.55 | raf256 | stew: script that will download (and check gpg sign) of alsa snapshot thingy, thne build and install it, with a GUI backend to that script |
| 20:31.09 | stew | raf256: m-a a-i alsa |
| 20:31.20 | stew | raf256: if you want the guy, just "m-a" |
| 20:31.41 | jelly | m-a is quite nice. |
| 20:31.44 | plb | stew, your in brooklyn? |
| 20:31.48 | stew | err s/guy/gui/ |
| 20:31.51 | rahul | m-a is arse |
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| 20:31.57 | stew | plb: mine is, yes |
| 20:32.05 | rahul | it adds an extra 3 steps or so |
| 20:32.17 | stew | rahul: it doesn't |
| 20:32.26 | raf256 | wow, nice tool |
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| 20:32.45 | plb | stew, your what is in brooklyn? I was asking if you were in brooklyn? ;] |
| 20:32.46 | jelly | rahul: I just did aptitude install alsa-source/experimental; m-a a-i alsa and that was about it |
| 20:32.51 | rahul | any operation involving m-a is more work than I used to do |
| 20:33.03 | Ankman | anybody set up privoxy and access from a remote machine? |
| 20:33.13 | stew | plb: i'm in brooklyn |
| 20:33.21 | plb | stew, staten island myself ;] |
| 20:33.30 | jelly | rahul: it even killed off the sound device hoarding processes to reload the modules |
| 20:33.30 | plb | right next to verazzano |
| 20:34.00 | stew | plb: i'm in park slope, howdy, neighbo |
| 20:34.01 | stew | r |
| 20:34.10 | rahul | stew: you are? |
| 20:34.20 | plb | wow that is 2 people I met in my area today online lol |
| 20:34.21 | rahul | I was there last week |
| 20:34.25 | mhall | Does anybody have an opinion on appropriate Linux software for running IPSEC and PPTP in client and server scenarios? What I have so far is strongSwan and Openswan for IPSEC client/server, but it's unclear what is better, and PPTP-client / Poptop for PPTP client / server. |
| 20:34.28 | plb | I met another guy from staten island on debian forums |
| 20:34.34 | rahul | great bodegas there. |
| 20:34.47 | plb | lol |
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| 20:35.09 | mhall | plb: lucky @#$%^&* gets a free fairy |
| 20:35.19 | plb | heh |
| 20:35.28 | rahul | jelly: EXACTLY! |
| 20:35.50 | mhall | rahul: isn't jelly already stewed? |
| 20:36.03 | rahul | he doesn't know the MEANING of stewed |
| 20:36.04 | jelly | rahul: I messed with menuconfig after building, so I'm not sure it was a real bug |
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| 20:36.30 | stew | rahul: dude you should call me next time |
| 20:36.35 | rahul | jelly: it took me a bit of effort to figure out how to coerce it into building for the kernel I just made |
| 20:36.39 | rahul | stew: yeah |
| 20:36.55 | rahul | oh don't have your number.. msg it |
| 20:37.08 | stew | rahul: i'll call you the next time i'm like 20 miles above 14th street or wherever it is you live :P |
| 20:37.12 | rahul | haha |
| 20:37.17 | rahul | lincoln center area |
| 20:37.18 | jelly | rahul: easy. Reboot into it, it figures it out then :-) |
| 20:37.26 | rahul | jelly: yeah, pfft |
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| 20:37.45 | rahul | compilation should not depend on what's running |
| 20:37.55 | rahul | it should use what's on the damn disk |
| 20:38.00 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite Verdi |
| 20:38.02 | nn-laptop2 | hi all |
| 20:38.04 | maddash | how long is the avg kernel build? |
| 20:38.07 | JordiGH | Verdi: You lose. |
| 20:39.49 | nn-laptop2 | got the server working |
| 20:39.49 | Verdi | you bet, bitch :) |
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| 20:39.50 | jup2 | debian sucks :( |
| 20:39.50 | plb | yay etch is done downloading...time to take the feisty fawn off this computer |
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| 20:39.51 | JordiGH | jup2: Yer mom sucks. |
| 20:39.51 | stew | easy |
| 20:39.51 | rahul | yo mama! |
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| 20:39.51 | jup2 | lol? |
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| 20:39.54 | jelly | rahul: I have a good number of kernel trees in /usr/src at any time, which one should it build for? |
| 20:39.56 | yetifoot | it may suck, but for me it sucks far less than the alternatrices |
| 20:40.03 | yetifoot | alternatives* |
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| 20:40.15 | rahul | jelly: I have no idea how it figures that out |
| 20:40.17 | JordiGH | The Alternatrix. |
| 20:40.29 | rahul | jelly: prohbably some nonsense with uname -r |
| 20:40.32 | nn-laptop2 | i need some one to test my server up load speed :: srv256.homelinux.net |
| 20:41.26 | plb | hrm there is something I don't get...Why would someone use Ubuntu as a server if it's based on debian unstable? |
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| 20:41.51 | vin` | jelly: you can build for any of them or even all of them with --kernel-dir |
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| 20:42.20 | Dave2 | plb, because it's not debian unstable? |
| 20:43.05 | plb | Dave2, huh? |
| 20:43.25 | jelly | vin`, rahul: ah, but one would have to RTFM to find that out :-) |
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| 20:43.43 | doschdn | hi. how do i install single packages (including depencies) from unstable in etch using aptitude without having to upgrade the whole system? |
| 20:44.15 | \amethyst | !pinning |
| 20:44.16 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 20:44.22 | \amethyst | doschdn: ^^ Read that |
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| 20:44.26 | doschdn | thanks :) |
| 20:44.45 | Dave2 | plb, it's sort of like a stable unstable, from what I understand. |
| 20:44.57 | Dave2 | My own server runs Etch |
| 20:45.04 | plb | Dave2, they sync with debian unstable |
| 20:45.17 | plb | during developement |
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| 20:45.23 | nn-laptop2 | hi all |
| 20:45.26 | nn-laptop2 | ? |
| 20:45.29 | \amethyst | plb: Because a particular release of Ubuntu isn't going to change much once it's been released |
| 20:45.35 | Dave2 | but they polish it and do releases more frequently than debian stable |
| 20:45.53 | stew | this conversation is off-topic for this channel |
| 20:45.58 | xand | plb: because they're high? :P |
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| 20:46.09 | nn-laptop2 | ok test the speed on my static ip 74.94.36.253 |
| 20:46.10 | \amethyst | plb: The problem with unstable for servers is that, even if it's not broken now, it might become so next time you upgrade packages |
| 20:46.15 | grendal_prime | #join #mysql |
| 20:46.15 | Trewas | plb: debian testing and eventually stable are based on unstable, that's where the new packages come from... so "based on unstable" means nothing |
| 20:46.19 | jelly | plb: what they did before, was to sync with unstable then work out the bugs and release. I have no idea about what they do now --> #ubuntu might know. |
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| 20:46.38 | \amethyst | plb: whereas with stable, you know that an upgrade is only going to include bugfixes, no feature changes |
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| 20:46.45 | rohan | plb: ubuntu tries its best to tackle and squash bugs. |
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| 20:46.57 | plb | ah gotcha ;] |
| 20:47.07 | yetifoot | \amethyst, cool, thanks for that link on pinning, i'd used unstable packages in stable before, but never new about priorities, i just hacked till it worked |
| 20:48.29 | nn-laptop2 | ok test the speed on my static ip 74.94.36.254 ** |
| 20:48.41 | stew | yetifoot: you should absolutely not use unstable packages in stable. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:49.13 | jelly | !moo |
| 20:49.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 20:49.24 | Maarten` | moo: os: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate - (6.0.6000) up: 1day 19hrs 17mins 16secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz at 2401MHz (9% Load) gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x7280) 256MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: -914/0MB (0%) hdd: C:\ 57.79GB/100.21GB Free D:\ 72.13GB/132.67GB Free E:\ 88.67GB/200.65GB Free P:\ 29.07GB/32.23GB Free net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC [N |
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| 20:49.33 | DiaboluZ | Hello :) Got a problem... My saslauthd won't work right with me :S if i make a testsaslauthd -u user -p pass it says: connect(): no such file or directory... any good ideas? :) Struggled with setting up a mailserver for 2 days now, and this is the only part missing... |
| 20:49.35 | jelly | Maarten`: GOTCHA! |
| 20:49.36 | yetifoot | i see, backports seems the better way, its very rare i've needed to do it |
| 20:49.46 | stew | Maarten`: disable that script |
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| 20:49.59 | maddash | apt-get moo |
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| 20:50.22 | itchi | Maarten`: Tell me wich stupid client you use? So i know i never gona test it |
| 20:50.34 | jelly | DiaboluZ: running testsaslauthd in a chroot? |
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| 20:50.49 | rohan | "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." why does it say that ? how do i make it have those powers ? |
| 20:50.54 | hark | it's probably vin` again |
| 20:51.00 | rohan | that's the output i got after aptitude -h |
| 20:51.02 | DiaboluZ | jelly> uhmm good question? How do i figure out if i do? |
| 20:51.02 | kdean06 | rohan, I've wondered that for YEARS. |
| 20:51.15 | stew | rohan: you can't but it has others, aptitude -v moo ; -vv, -vvv... |
| 20:51.20 | doschdn | aptitude -v moo |
| 20:51.21 | jelly | DiaboluZ: you don't, then. Next question... |
| 20:51.21 | doschdn | ;) |
| 20:51.28 | DiaboluZ | :) |
| 20:51.47 | rohan | kdean06: :D |
| 20:52.05 | rohan | stew: lol, nice :D |
| 20:52.10 | jelly | DiaboluZ: are you running it as a user or as root? |
| 20:52.30 | DiaboluZ | jelly> tried both |
| 20:52.58 | bugster_ | lo mobos |
| 20:53.05 | jelly | DiaboluZ: hm, it should work as root, or as a user in sasl group ... I'm basing this on my sarge setup though |
| 20:53.36 | Ankman | what is |
| 20:53.38 | Ankman | 8443/tcp open https-alt |
| 20:53.43 | Ankman | cannot find it in my netstat list |
| 20:53.47 | jelly | DiaboluZ: I'd suggest running it with strace to see which file does it try to access |
| 20:53.52 | infester | does anybody know if DRI is supported for ppc? |
| 20:53.52 | Ankman | already shut down apache and all |
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| 20:54.08 | yetifoot | stew, is it just the dependencies that are likely to cause a problem using a package from unstable? |
| 20:54.15 | DiaboluZ | jelly> well i used this howto to set up my system, everything but the smtp works gine http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier_p2 |
| 20:54.53 | stew | yetifoot: yes, you are very quickly going to end up with a system that is no longer stable but a very out of date half-installed unstable (like as soon as libc6 gets upgraded) |
| 20:55.05 | x_link | I have a pretty "stupid" qusetion, but I still have to ask it =) |
| 20:55.17 | x_link | And YES I know this is not Windows. |
| 20:55.27 | x_link | But is there anything I can do to speedup my Debian? |
| 20:55.33 | yetifoot | stew: yeah, thanks, when i have done it, i've always avoided stuff that wanted me to also upgrade other stuff |
| 20:55.34 | x_link | Not cause it's slow now, but still. |
| 20:55.45 | valdyn | x_link: speed up WHAT exactly |
| 20:55.59 | wols_ | x_link: prelinking, compiling select packages for your cpu |
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| 20:56.16 | chops | x_link: Switch the software you're using to faster substitutes :-) |
| 20:57.07 | jelly | DiaboluZ: well, if you have chroot setup, and it seems you have, then you'll need to point the test apps to the correct path to saslauthd's socket |
| 20:57.13 | maddash | x_link: if you want to speed up your boot times, look at `bum` |
| 20:57.22 | maddash | brb new kernel |
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| 20:58.09 | yetifoot | lol, nice name 'bum' |
| 20:58.12 | x_link | wols_: Select packages for my CPU? What do you mean? What kind of packages? |
| 20:58.15 | jelly | DiaboluZ: for a quick and dirty workaround, you can do mount --bind /where/ever/is/var/run/saslauthd /var/run/saslauthd -- then try testing again |
| 20:58.40 | jelly | DiaboluZ: "/where/ever/is" would be the path to your chroot |
| 21:00.53 | stew | PrinceAMD: please turn that off in here |
| 21:01.06 | PrinceAMD | stew, sorry |
| 21:01.50 | crazy_penguin | Good night! |
| 21:01.51 | DiaboluZ | jelly> gives me exact the same error after that workarround |
| 21:02.10 | jelly | DiaboluZ: did the bind mount work? |
| 21:02.24 | yetifoot | x_link, i think he means that some packages are available ie for 386, 486, 686 versions, so choosing the best one you can might help |
| 21:02.25 | DiaboluZ | i guess so, didn't come up with an error |
| 21:02.59 | jelly | DiaboluZ: where is your real /var/run/saslauthd? is saslauthd running? |
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| 21:03.17 | x_link | yetifoot: Okej. I use 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel, I use a AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ AM2 CPU |
| 21:03.38 | jelly | DiaboluZ: does eg. "ps -fe |grep saslauthd" show that it is using the directory inside chroot? |
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| 21:03.57 | jelly | DiaboluZ: should be something like this: |
| 21:04.02 | jelly | DiaboluZ: root 3459 1 0 Apr14 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -a pam |
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| 21:05.55 | maddash | yay, 2.6.20.7 |
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| 21:06.52 | maddash | er |
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| 21:07.04 | maddash | wtf was that/ |
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| 21:07.25 | stew | maddash: nothing worth paying attention to |
| 21:07.25 | jelly | nn-laptop2: 23:06:55 (59.32 KB/s) - `7th_Guest_AmIEvil_OC_ReMix.mp3' saved [1775193/1775193] |
| 21:08.18 | nn-laptop2 | jelly, you most have been downloading |
| 21:08.21 | nn-laptop2 | somthing |
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| 21:08.54 | jelly | nn-laptop2: I must have not. It fluctuated between 50-90 KB/s |
| 21:09.13 | wols_ | x_link: those packages which use most of your CPU |
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| 21:10.15 | DiaboluZ | jelly> root 20220 20216 0 22:34 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/saslauthd -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd -r -a pam -c -n 5 |
| 21:10.23 | nn-laptop2 | why |
| 21:10.26 | nn-laptop2 | ? |
| 21:10.40 | jelly | nn-laptop2: BUT I used the wrong machine, one that has some bw shaping enabled |
| 21:11.17 | x_link | wols_: Should I remove those? |
| 21:11.40 | jelly | nn-laptop2: 23:11:26 (86.14 KB/s) - `7th_Guest_AmIEvil_OC_ReMix.mp3' saved [1775193/1775193] |
| 21:11.50 | wols_ | x_link: what "those" do you mean? |
| 21:12.00 | jelly | DiaboluZ: looks fine. |
| 21:12.05 | nn-laptop2 | ?? what is up |
| 21:12.07 | x_link | The packages that uses alot of CPU, should I remove those? |
| 21:12.16 | nn-laptop2 | i boght a static 700k |
| 21:12.18 | x_link | Isn't that bad if my CPU uses those? |
| 21:12.32 | wols_ | x_link: no. you can compile them for your CPU |
| 21:12.33 | nn-laptop2 | un less it is the linux box |
| 21:13.00 | x_link | ohh |
| 21:13.04 | x_link | I don't know how to compile. |
| 21:13.12 | x_link | I must read a bit about that first so that I learn abou tit. |
| 21:13.14 | jelly | DiaboluZ: use strace to see which file does testsaslauthd try to open, then check if that file exists or not. |
| 21:13.16 | x_link | about it. |
| 21:13.43 | infester | How can i simply check if i have support for 3d acceleration? |
| 21:13.54 | wols_ | infester: glxinfo |
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| 21:14.08 | infester | wols_: thanks |
| 21:14.18 | xoz | infester: and glxgears to find out how fast |
| 21:14.35 | infester | from which package do i get those commands? |
| 21:14.53 | wols_ | !tell infester about search |
| 21:15.10 | infester | aptitude search glxgears gives me no output :o |
| 21:15.23 | kdean06 | infester, mesa-utils me thinks |
| 21:15.24 | tuvwx | should i get the amd64 images for the conroe core 2's? |
| 21:15.31 | infester | thanks |
| 21:15.36 | jelly | DiaboluZ: that is, run strace testsaslauthd -u ...., look at the output to see mention of something like /var/run/saslauthd, and check if that file exists |
| 21:15.51 | x_link | infester: sudo aptitude install mesa-utils |
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| 21:15.58 | x_link | ohh he already said it |
| 21:16.04 | DiaboluZ | jelly> it wants /var/run/saslauthd/mux but that file doesn't exist |
| 21:16.19 | jelly | DiaboluZ: does it exist in the chroot? |
| 21:16.41 | DiaboluZ | and also /etc/ld.so.nohwcap which doesn't exist... |
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| 21:16.46 | Perdignus | Hello, if I have apache 1.3 installed and running and install apache2, will it transfer all of my 1.3 settings and then remove 1.3? |
| 21:16.48 | DiaboluZ | jelly> yes it does |
| 21:16.57 | x_link | When I do glxgears I just get a small window with 3 round things spinning around |
| 21:17.03 | wols_ | Perdignus: no |
| 21:17.10 | jelly | DiaboluZ: then you didn't do the bind mount correctly. pastebin the output of "df" |
| 21:17.12 | xoz | x_link: maximize and check how fast |
| 21:17.16 | wols_ | x_link: glxgears is no benchmark |
| 21:17.16 | x_link | ok |
| 21:17.27 | Perdignus | I can't run both 1.3 and 2 at the same time though, or? |
| 21:17.37 | x_link | How do I see how fast it is? |
| 21:17.40 | infester | xoz: is there a way to find out fps in glxgears? :) |
| 21:17.42 | wols_ | Perdignus: since both want port80, how would you do it? |
| 21:17.46 | DiaboluZ | jelly> i guess not, cause only my 2 disks are in df.. |
| 21:17.52 | xoz | infester: man glxgears |
| 21:17.53 | kdean06 | x_link, glxgears -printfps |
| 21:18.07 | raf256 | I have source of a program, normally I would now do config && make && make install , and in debian way? |
| 21:18.13 | infester | no man page for it:( |
| 21:18.14 | jelly | DiaboluZ: the bind mount would have made a view of everything inside /path/to/chroot/var/run/saslauthd also visible in /var/run/saslauthd |
| 21:18.27 | Perdignus | wols_ agreed, I was just checking, does 1.3 get disabled when you asked for 2 to be installed? |
| 21:18.31 | DiaboluZ | i try it again, just a sec :) |
| 21:18.38 | x_link | 32571 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6513.685 FPS |
| 21:18.42 | xoz | infester: the console where you run it prints the fps |
| 21:18.46 | wols_ | okapi14: uninstalled I think. you can check yourself for comnflicts |
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| 21:18.51 | x_link | Is that good? |
| 21:18.55 | infester | it doesnt for me :( |
| 21:18.59 | jelly | DiaboluZ: do it as root, and check df output for a new line after that |
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| 21:19.12 | wols_ | x_link: it's irrelevant. glxgears is no benchmark |
| 21:19.17 | kdean06 | infester, Sorry, that was mean to be for you. Try glxgears -printfps |
| 21:19.19 | x_link | Jag Okej. |
| 21:19.28 | x_link | wols_: OKej. |
| 21:19.37 | yetifoot | x_link, maybe you should get a game like tremulous or something, a bit large, but you'll be sure if its working well |
| 21:19.51 | raf256 | tremulous is nice to play as well |
| 21:19.54 | infester | kdean06:thanks! tried with -fps before =D |
| 21:19.56 | x_link | My computer is working good. |
| 21:20.03 | infester | 696FPS is ok? =) |
| 21:20.06 | DiaboluZ | jelly> well now it hasn't the no such file error anymore... now i got this instead: |
| 21:20.06 | x_link | yetifoot: What kind of a game is it? |
| 21:20.07 | maddash | x_link: what hardware are you using? |
| 21:20.09 | DiaboluZ | 0: NO "authentication failed" |
| 21:20.13 | DiaboluZ | hehe |
| 21:20.17 | xoz | infester: it is |
| 21:20.19 | yetifoot | x_link, its kind of a mix of FPS and RTS |
| 21:20.23 | DiaboluZ | one step closer i guess :) |
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| 21:21.01 | twobitsprite | what's the best way to compare the contents of two directories? would I just be better off writing a script myself, or is there a tool to do that? |
| 21:21.01 | infester | xoz: do you think i can run minor games on it or is this just because its a simple app? |
| 21:21.02 | x_link | maddash: AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ 2GHz, Asus M2PNV-VM AM2, 2x512MB Corsair Value 667Mhz (clocked to 800Mhz) Dual Channel, 120GB + 250GB, GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Ex. x16 |
| 21:21.08 | DiaboluZ | As if it doesn't read the users out of the mysql or something... |
| 21:21.13 | jelly | DiaboluZ: aye, I'm going away now, maybe someone else will step in |
| 21:21.34 | xoz | infester: you can run 3d games with that speed... |
| 21:21.36 | maddash | x_link: yikes. |
| 21:21.42 | infester | xoz: thanks a bunch! |
| 21:21.42 | x_link | maddash: But I will get anotehr 2 of those Corsair Value 512MB DDR2 667MHz ones |
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| 21:21.50 | x_link | maddash: What? Not good? |
| 21:21.53 | yetifoot | xlink, try nvidia-settings, that should tell you some stats |
| 21:22.10 | kdean06 | infester, glxgears is not really a benchmark, it is only a test. If the gears appear, and them move smoothly it's "okay". That fps number should only be compared to itself.. If suddenly is is down to 50 fps, maybe something bad happened. But comparing your FPS to a different system means nothing useful. |
| 21:22.12 | jelly | DiaboluZ: when you finish testing, umount /var/run/saslauthd |
| 21:22.13 | maddash | x_link: it brings to mind the word, "overkill" |
| 21:22.14 | raf256 | trying to install libgnomeui-dev to build ekiga 2.0.9 but it fails, conflicts... any help? |
| 21:22.16 | DiaboluZ | jelly> :( hehe... got a last good tip for me on how i can track down this new error? |
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| 21:22.37 | x_link | maddash: hehee I will build a new machine within 2 months. That will be a serious overkill machine ;D |
| 21:22.46 | jelly | DiaboluZ: nothing out of the blue, sorry |
| 21:22.49 | infester | kdean06: oh ok... but if i had no hardwareacceleration they wouldnt run smoothly, correct? |
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| 21:23.06 | xoz | infester: benchmark is for people who thinks megapixel is all important for a camera |
| 21:23.16 | DiaboluZ | Any of you others who have a suggestion? :) |
| 21:23.24 | kdean06 | infester, Actually, I don't know. ;) I think they wouldn't appear at all, but I've never done it. :P |
| 21:23.40 | infester | xoz: :D |
| 21:23.45 | infester | kdean06: thanks! :) |
| 21:23.55 | xoz | infester: as long as the gears are running smoothly, you are ok. |
| 21:24.20 | infester | xoz: oki, thanks for helping! :) |
| 21:24.29 | xoz | infester: just make sure it runs smoothly even in maximize mode |
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| 21:24.40 | infester | oh, should try that one |
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| 21:24.53 | infester | yea, it does :) great! |
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| 21:26.19 | Nach | I dist upgraded recently, and my time zone seems to be off. What should I run to fix the time zone configuration? |
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| 21:26.38 | Nemoder | Nach: tzconfig |
| 21:27.06 | Nach | is tzconfig supposed to be part of some sort of package? |
| 21:27.10 | Ankman | nah |
| 21:27.18 | Ankman | glocal it's /etc/timezone |
| 21:27.21 | Nemoder | part of libc6 |
| 21:27.25 | Ankman | just add what you are at |
| 21:27.41 | Ankman | and for any user you can have a local timezone |
| 21:27.44 | Nemoder | libc6: /usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 21:27.48 | Ankman | oops |
| 21:27.52 | Ankman | yes |
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| 21:28.00 | Nach | Nemoder: when I type it in, nothing |
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| 21:28.06 | Nemoder | Nach: try it as root |
| 21:28.14 | Nach | I am root |
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| 21:28.25 | Nach | NachBox:/home/nach# locate tzconfig |
| 21:28.25 | Nach | NachBox:/home/nach# |
| 21:28.29 | Ankman | Nach: open /etc/timezone |
| 21:28.41 | Ankman | there you can set it up without a tool, just editor |
| 21:28.49 | Nemoder | try the whole path /usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 21:28.59 | Nach | Nemoder: I did |
| 21:29.12 | Nach | and if locate didn't find it, it's not anywhere else on my disk either |
| 21:29.33 | Ankman | Nach: $EDITOR /etc/timezone |
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| 21:29.38 | xand | Nach: don't rely on locate to determine that |
| 21:29.41 | stew | Nach: its /usr/sbin/tzconfig ; you have to run it as root. if you don't have it in /usr/sbin, either you aren't running debian, or something is wrong |
| 21:29.44 | xand | use find instead |
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| 21:30.12 | Nemoder | yeah, locate depends on the database being up to date |
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| 21:32.58 | Nach | Nemoder: I ran updatedb |
| 21:33.01 | Nach | it's not there |
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| 21:33.17 | Enverex | I just installed Ubuntu.. |
| 21:33.24 | Nemoder | Nach: like stew said, if it's not there either something is wrong or you aren't using debian |
| 21:33.30 | stew | Nach: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" list for "Installed:" and "Candidate:"? |
| 21:33.33 | wols_ | Nach: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 21:34.18 | Enverex | xoz, I was only joking, was expecting people to blow up ;) |
| 21:34.33 | Nemoder | !ubuntu |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:34.40 | Enverex | Anyway, just wondering why the kernel metapackage on Sid doesn't point to .20 yet? |
| 21:34.40 | Nach | Nemoder: yes something is wrong, my Time zone was correct when I looked at it some days ago. And this is definitly Debian |
| 21:35.03 | Nach | stew: |
| 21:35.03 | Nach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.03 | Nach | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.25 | wols_ | Nach: you run sid? |
| 21:35.30 | infester | A very newbish question: a linux binary file for i386 shouldnt work at all on a ppclinux enviroment? |
| 21:35.30 | Nach | wols_: yes |
| 21:35.46 | Nach | infester: not without some kind of emulator |
| 21:35.47 | wols_ | infester: no. won't work |
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| 21:36.05 | Nemoder | doh @ sid |
| 21:36.11 | stew | Nach: check the bts to see if anything similar has been reported |
| 21:36.19 | infester | are there emulators for graphical programs for that? |
| 21:36.43 | Enverex | Oh, probably because the modules package is missing for a start, lol |
| 21:36.50 | zido | I see the switch to xorg has finally been made. Lovely ;-) |
| 21:36.59 | wols_ | Enverex: modules package? |
| 21:37.21 | Enverex | wols_, There's only a linux-modules-2.6.20 for xen, not for amd64 |
| 21:37.33 | xoz | infester: google has the answer |
| 21:37.36 | stew | Nach: which arch are you on? |
| 21:37.44 | Nach | stew: AMD64 |
| 21:39.10 | Enverex | wols_, Are all the packages for the 2.6.20 in place on i386? |
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| 21:39.31 | stew | Enverex: what version of debina are you running? |
| 21:39.35 | kdean06 | infester, What is it that you're trying to run? |
| 21:39.41 | coldsteal | hellow im trying to find GTK+ 2.10 |
| 21:39.42 | Enverex | stew, Sid |
| 21:39.51 | coldsteal | im in testing |
| 21:39.55 | Enverex | stew, x86_64 |
| 21:40.01 | stew | Enverex: which? |
| 21:40.02 | streuner | coldsteal: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:40.06 | Enverex | Keep forgetting i'm on amd64 now |
| 21:40.19 | stew | Enverex: have you checked pdo? |
| 21:40.20 | infester | kdean06: the 2d online game Tibia :) |
| 21:40.29 | coldsteal | streuner: what do i search for |
| 21:40.33 | Nach | So guys, I notice something interesting |
| 21:40.36 | streuner | coldsteal: guess |
| 21:40.38 | infester | they recently released a linux client |
| 21:40.40 | Nach | my i386 chroot has the proper timezone |
| 21:40.43 | Enverex | stew, If it's on PDO then wouldn't it be in amt? |
| 21:40.49 | hark | yeah, tzconfog is not in sid |
| 21:41.07 | streuner | coldsteal: libgtk2.10 or such? |
| 21:41.22 | coldsteal | ya that |
| 21:41.25 | stew | Enverex: i don't know what amt is |
| 21:41.29 | streuner | coldsteal: why do you think you need to search for? |
| 21:41.56 | stoned | tibia sucks |
| 21:42.00 | stew | Nach: it looks like tzconfig is missing from sid atm |
| 21:42.08 | stew | it looks like hark figured that out before i did |
| 21:42.08 | stoned | daimonin is so much more bette' |
| 21:42.13 | Enverex|LT | stew, apt, sorry, typing twised like 110' :/ |
| 21:42.14 | coldsteal | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.15 | infester | stoned: word :) |
| 21:42.19 | coldsteal | that doesnt work |
| 21:42.32 | stew | Enverex|LT: yes it would be |
| 21:42.33 | streuner | coldsteal: apt-cache search libgtk dev |
| 21:42.37 | stoned | hey |
| 21:42.39 | stoned | I say word |
| 21:42.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:42.47 | infester | :) |
| 21:42.56 | Enverex|LT | stew, ... so, if it's not in apt why would it be on there :P |
| 21:43.04 | Enverex|LT | stew, duh, ignore me |
| 21:43.17 | Enverex|LT | stew, Really need to remember that im on a different arch, heh |
| 21:43.19 | kdean06 | infester, That's one of the things you loose using non-free software. :( Ask them to free their program, and if not, ask if one of their codemonkeys will recompile it on PPC. :P |
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| 21:44.27 | Nach | stew: so should I just wait a couple of days for the devs to sort it out then? |
| 21:44.28 | reiser2 | hi |
| 21:44.28 | reiser2 | i just installed apache2, php5 and mysql5 |
| 21:44.28 | stew | Nach: you should check the bts |
| 21:44.28 | streuner | !Info libgtk2.0-dev |
| 21:44.28 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-dev: has nothing about Info |
| 21:44.28 | coldsteal | streuner: there is allot |
| 21:44.29 | reiser2 | but when i try to use mysql_connect() it tell me |
| 21:44.29 | kdean06 | reiser2, apt-get install php5-mysql |
| 21:44.29 | wols_ | reiser2: install php5-mysql |
| 21:44.29 | reiser2 | Call to undefined function |
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| 21:44.34 | stew | reiser2: install php5-mysql |
| 21:44.38 | coldsteal | i dont need 2.0 |
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| 21:44.45 | coldsteal | i need 2.10 |
| 21:44.46 | streuner | coldsteal: apt-cache show libgtk2.0-dev | grep -i version |
| 21:44.49 | Nach | stew: I generally can't find anything in the bts if I don't know what package I'm supposed to be looking for problems in :P |
| 21:44.56 | stew | Nach: libc6 |
| 21:45.07 | reiser2 | is installed |
| 21:45.17 | wols_ | reiser2: then it's not loaded |
| 21:45.21 | reiser2 | ok |
| 21:45.25 | coldsteal | okay |
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| 21:46.14 | reiser2 | what section og php.ini ? |
| 21:46.57 | Nach | stew: looks like I found it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=380667 thank you |
| 21:47.11 | stew | reiser2: make sure the is a line "extension=mysql.so" in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 21:47.24 | infester | kdean06: yea :) |
| 21:47.39 | coldsteal | thanks streuner |
| 21:48.06 | streuner | np |
| 21:48.12 | infester | kdean06: i'm not so sure they would do that for me since they are a money making company thinking only of cash |
| 21:49.00 | kdean06 | infester, There's nothing wrong with wanting to make money. But if they won't let you play their game because it won't run, they'll not make any no matter what... Its in their interest to to do it. |
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| 21:49.57 | kdean06 | They're a service based company, there's really no legitimate reason not to... They can STILL charge for it. |
| 21:50.24 | reiser2 | ready |
| 21:51.24 | infester | kdean06: yea i know, but their main public is people with no lives but gaming... thats the whole idea of the game... and you find the biggest public of those people on the i386 and windows platform... but maybe since they released for i386 linux they are porting it to ppc aswell... |
| 21:51.40 | infester | kdean06: but the new apple laptops are i386's right? |
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| 21:52.06 | graphys | hi |
| 21:52.21 | graphys | i have intel core duo 2 processor |
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| 21:52.47 | kdean06 | infester, No, they are AMD64 |
| 21:53.04 | Enverex|LT | Does antone here use the "radeon" driver on anything like a Radeon 9000? |
| 21:53.10 | infester | kdean06: oh... well, my points is, maybe they wont because ppc is history... or? :P |
| 21:53.25 | infester | Enverex|LT: i just got my radeon 9200 mobility working |
| 21:53.32 | Amarande | eep, radeon :| |
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| 21:53.39 | Amarande | nvidia is so, so much easier to use on Linux |
| 21:53.44 | infester | yea :p |
| 21:53.47 | drraid | apt-get is hanging while "Setting up openswan" -- I can't figure out why, is there any other logging than /var/log/aptitude? |
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| 21:53.49 | Amarande | especially since apparently there are problems with ATI drivers and xorg's versioning now |
| 21:53.54 | kdean06 | infester, You should ask. If they release source code, it can run on lots of lots of things if people wanted to. |
| 21:53.56 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: Not on a radeon 9000 |
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| 21:54.16 | Enverex|LT | infester, 3D rendering is painfully slow, as in slower than Windows with the "VGA Driver" loaded :/ |
| 21:54.17 | drraid | it just sits there, indefinitely. |
| 21:54.25 | infester | kdean06: ill do that, thanks for the advice |
| 21:54.33 | Enverex|LT | infester, er, 2D |
| 21:54.37 | Enverex|LT | 3D is fine |
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| 21:54.47 | kdean06 | infester, And the 32 bit PPC is pretty much dead. IBM is still pushing the Power Architecture (I'm thinking of buying a Power server) but it's a 64 bit chipset... |
| 21:54.52 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: using exa or xaa ? |
| 21:54.53 | Amarande | I still wonder why online game companies only want to support Windows |
| 21:55.05 | Amarande | An increasing number of people hate Windows, especially after Vista |
| 21:55.06 | DiaboluZ | Could cry right now... can't make this thingie working :S |
| 21:55.06 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: direct rendering working ? |
| 21:55.06 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, default |
| 21:55.10 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, yes |
| 21:55.10 | Amarande | and you lose subscribers by not supporting other OS |
| 21:55.11 | infester | Enverex|LT: oh... well, err... im pretty sure im a greater noob than you are, so when it comes to stuff like that i just cant help out :) sry thought i could give you a tip how to start getting it working :) |
| 21:55.21 | krolben | Hi all, quick n00b question: How do I see/update my Debian server's IP address? I've just installed it and need to set a static ip-address |
| 21:55.25 | Amarande | maybe that's one reason why WoW is so popular, because WoW is one of the easiest-working MMOs on wine/cedega |
| 21:55.35 | infester | kdean06: i see... nice |
| 21:55.48 | stoned | i got kicked from a channel for saying fuck |
| 21:55.52 | Enverex|LT | It was Crap on Gentoo, it was Bad on Ubuntu and it's Worse on Debian. Don't quite know why, they are all technically using the same driver, heh |
| 21:55.57 | stoned | this is hilarious too |
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| 21:56.04 | nvz | stoned: heh.. some channels are like that |
| 21:56.04 | infester | Amarande: yea maybe... but i believe most of the WoW players still uses windows :) |
| 21:56.06 | drraid | stoned i got kicked by a girl for a poor pickup line |
| 21:56.09 | stoned | nvz!!! omg!! |
| 21:56.12 | stoned | whats up brother |
| 21:56.23 | nvz | nothing, bein bored at the moment |
| 21:56.25 | squisher | krolben: edit /etc/network/interfaces , man ifup / ifdown |
| 21:56.27 | stoned | nvz: where you at now? |
| 21:56.42 | krolben | squisher: thanks a lot |
| 21:56.43 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: I have a 9250 that works better than anything I have (for what I am bothered about) |
| 21:56.43 | nvz | stoned: still in the commonpoverty of pennsylvania |
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| 21:56.56 | stoned | nvz: ahh, guess what bro man, I moved to NY |
| 21:57.01 | stoned | few weeks ago |
| 21:57.03 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, Well this is a laptop else I'd switch it |
| 21:57.04 | squisher | krolben: np |
| 21:57.08 | nvz | ah, thats cool |
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| 21:57.10 | stoned | yeh |
| 21:57.12 | stoned | it is cool |
| 21:57.17 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: No beryl or compiz ? |
| 21:57.18 | stoned | no more oklahoman rednecks surrounding me |
| 21:57.20 | kdean06 | Amarande, Fragmentation. To make a game "easy" to use, it would have to install cleanly on one of a thousand distros. They would have to release it as Free Software to have it adopted by the largest number of GNU/Linux users, and it would have to use portable code, not built on DirectX... It's more than some companies can fathom. |
| 21:57.25 | stoned | now I have to deal with different types of assholes |
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| 21:57.45 | nvz | stoned: you didn't get lost did ya? heh I read in the news a while back about some guy getting lost for days in new york city area |
| 21:57.48 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, nope |
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| 21:58.02 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: try - Option "AccelMethod" "exa" |
| 21:58.07 | stoned | I just wonder, how do these people get their drivers lisences in nyc? |
| 21:58.09 | stoned | seriously |
| 21:58.15 | stoned | these people do NOT know how to fucking drive |
| 21:58.22 | Whisper | i got a fresh install of debian, seems like i forgot to install make etc so i can compile things...ive installed make and gcc now but it dosent seem to work.. |
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| 21:58.29 | stoned | I figure if anything, nyc driving test would be more difficult than rest of the states |
| 21:58.38 | stoned | but damn man, im just baffled |
| 21:58.46 | Whisper | What shall i apt-get more? |
| 21:58.56 | kdean06 | Whisper, Try apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:59.04 | Whisper | kdean06 thanks |
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| 22:00.03 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: You can try a higher agp mode as well (i.e Option "AGPMode" "4") or so |
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| 22:00.37 | yetifoot | Amarande, when WoW have made billions from windows users, why should they care about linux, where they will probably only make a few million? |
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| 22:02.15 | x_link | Does anybody know any easy, good ftp program for Debian? |
| 22:02.29 | x_link | With GUI then, I just want something simple and good. |
| 22:02.30 | squisher | x_link: cli I like lftp |
| 22:02.31 | rahul | lftp |
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| 22:02.43 | kdean06 | yetifoot, Because a few million is a few million more... In the case of WoW, however, I wonder why they didn't release the Linux client that they wrote already spent time to write... |
| 22:02.44 | rahul | x_link: no good clients have a gui |
| 22:02.49 | x_link | I really want with gui. |
| 22:02.56 | x_link | rahul: Okej. |
| 22:03.03 | rahul | x_link: then pick anything with a gui and suffer :) |
| 22:03.07 | kdean06 | x_link, I like gftp, but I think it's buggy. |
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| 22:03.08 | Enverex|LT | x_link, gftp |
| 22:03.28 | x_link | kdean06: I just got it, it freezes all the time. |
| 22:03.31 | x_link | gftp then. |
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| 22:03.35 | kdean06 | Yep. :) It's the best of them. :) |
| 22:03.51 | x_link | And it doesn't work when I want to upload a picture. |
| 22:03.54 | {Nathan} | What is the equivilant file of rc.inet1 in debian? |
| 22:03.59 | x_link | I highlight the file and press the arrow. |
| 22:04.02 | x_link | But it doesn't upload |
| 22:04.04 | kdean06 | Nautilus can't chmod, and Konqueror is klunky, IMO. Kasablanca was... horrid. |
| 22:04.07 | rahul | {Nathan}: mu |
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| 22:04.19 | squisher | x_link: if you're using firefox, there's an ftp extension that seemed pretty decent |
| 22:04.35 | x_link | I use Iceweasel |
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| 22:04.42 | rahul | assbadger! |
| 22:04.44 | squisher | same thing |
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| 22:04.54 | {Nathan} | rahul: ? |
| 22:04.58 | yetifoot | i use ubutu horny hippo |
| 22:05.01 | rahul | {Nathan}: ; |
| 22:05.17 | rahul | yetifoot: that's GOT to be painful |
| 22:05.24 | {Nathan} | rahul: I still don't know what you are talking about |
| 22:05.33 | {Nathan} | yetifoot: I want to upgrade to that, but I'm afraid |
| 22:05.35 | rahul | !mu |
| 22:05.35 | dpkg | When asked by a monk if a dog had Buddha Nature, Joshu said "Mu." |
| 22:06.02 | stew | {Nathan}: what does rc.inet1 do? |
| 22:06.23 | x_link | Enverex|LT: How do I upload with gftp? |
| 22:06.35 | {Nathan} | stew: It's a config file that you modify while configuring plip as seen here - http://tinyurl.com/29x8ur |
| 22:06.41 | x_link | Enverex|LT: I highlight the file and then I press the arrow. |
| 22:06.41 | rahul | stew: something like what /etc/init.d/networking start does, but in a completely different way |
| 22:06.46 | Enverex|LT | x_link, I don't know, should be easy enough |
| 22:06.59 | x_link | I know... but that doesn't work. Then the program freezeees |
| 22:07.02 | x_link | freezes |
| 22:07.24 | stew | {Nathan}: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 22:07.46 | Whisper | kdean06 i get this when installing http://www.pastebin.ca/454940 |
| 22:08.36 | kdean06 | Whisper, Are you upgrading from an old Sarge system? |
| 22:08.43 | Whisper | lol |
| 22:08.48 | Whisper | wtf does that mean :P |
| 22:09.02 | Whisper | im actually not a debian user :P |
| 22:09.08 | kdean06 | I'm wondering why you're running a 2.4 kernel... |
| 22:09.23 | Whisper | i got it from the net istall used... |
| 22:09.42 | wols_ | Whisper:install a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:09.53 | wols_ | apt-gte install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:09.58 | Whisper | can i apt-get that? |
| 22:09.58 | rahul | Whisper: why are you asking us what's broken with something that's not debian-related? |
| 22:09.58 | Whisper | okay |
| 22:10.18 | Whisper | E: Package kernel-image-2.6 has no installation candidate |
| 22:10.39 | wols_ | Whisper: you need to get it for oldstable |
| 22:10.49 | Whisper | i use debian on the system...but i like gentoo more :P |
| 22:10.52 | wols_ | you have "stable" in your sourecs.list but already ran apt-get update |
| 22:11.46 | Whisper | yeah..i dit apt-get update... |
| 22:12.17 | wols_ | !tell Whisper about sarge->etch |
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| 22:12.43 | Whisper | but... |
| 22:12.53 | Whisper | can it be that im running it on a pentium mmx |
| 22:12.55 | Whisper | 33mhz? |
| 22:12.58 | wols_ | no |
| 22:13.00 | Whisper | that it choose that kernel? |
| 22:13.00 | Whisper | okay |
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| 22:13.14 | wols_ | Whisper: and you are lying. there is no pentoum mmx with 33MHz |
| 22:13.25 | wols_ | you choose the -486 kernel probably |
| 22:13.39 | Enverex|LT | He probably means 133 |
| 22:13.48 | Whisper | its a laptop... |
| 22:13.53 | Whisper | gonna check what i have |
| 22:13.59 | Enverex|LT | Whisper, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:14.14 | Whisper | aah was 167mhz even :) |
| 22:14.25 | cafuego | 166.6666666666666 |
| 22:14.35 | Whisper | 167.049 |
| 22:14.39 | Whisper | :P |
| 22:14.43 | Whisper | but anywho... |
| 22:14.50 | Whisper | where do i start from here? |
| 22:15.06 | wols_ | you read the factoid dpkg msged you |
| 22:15.07 | hansolo | how much ram? |
| 22:15.43 | Whisper | P |
| 22:15.43 | Whisper | [00:14] <Whisper> bu |
| 22:15.43 | Whisper | woops |
| 22:15.43 | Whisper | MemTotal: 46408 kB |
| 22:15.44 | drraid | what happens if a package is getting "half installed" via apt/dpkg? |
| 22:15.44 | drraid | i mean other than the obvious |
| 22:15.45 | Whisper | well |
| 22:15.51 | Whisper | i dont wanna read all that :P |
| 22:15.54 | wols_ | drraid: nothing special |
| 22:16.05 | wols_ | Whisper: then we don't want to help you |
| 22:16.12 | wols_ | if you are a lazy lardass, so are we |
| 22:16.25 | Whisper | but the thing is that, its the kernel image thats old or what? |
| 22:16.39 | Whisper | cant i just do a recompile of it like i do on gentoo? |
| 22:17.16 | squisher | Whisper: obviously yes... what did you think? |
| 22:17.29 | Whisper | but on the other hand.. |
| 22:17.29 | Whisper | i cant do make |
| 22:17.33 | Whisper | thats the orig problem :P |
| 22:17.42 | wols_ | !tell Whisper about b-e |
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| 22:18.29 | Whisper | wools the pastebin error is from that |
| 22:18.45 | Whisper | http://www.pastebin.ca/454940 |
| 22:19.03 | Amarande | My dual core processor cost less than the single core, same clock speed one did when I bought that. |
| 22:20.03 | wols_ | Whisper: I told you what to do. now go away please |
| 22:20.03 | Enverex|LT | Is anyone here following Mutliarch? |
| 22:20.07 | squisher | That's life, Amarande... at least in the computer world |
| 22:20.27 | Whisper | guess i will have to reinstall it then :P |
| 22:20.43 | Whisper | but how can i have gotten a 2.4 image? |
| 22:20.55 | wols_ | Whisper: by installing sarge without reading anything |
| 22:21.01 | cafuego | That's what sarge uses. |
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| 22:21.13 | wols_ | tho sarge also comes with 2.6.8 |
| 22:21.30 | cafuego | Is there any reason 2.4 is not good enough? On an old low-ram box, it's probably better then 2.6. |
| 22:21.39 | hudlee123 | my /usr/include is basiclly empty on my fresh install I could really use a stdlib.h in there what do i need to install? |
| 22:21.48 | cafuego | hudlee123: libc6-dev |
| 22:21.51 | wols_ | !tell hudlee123 about b-e |
| 22:22.05 | cafuego | hudlee123: You kinda want build-essential though. |
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| 22:22.39 | hudlee123 | thanks |
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| 22:23.19 | squisher | Does anyone know why in unstable the transition from tetex to texlive suddenly wants to install all available language packages? |
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| 22:23.33 | cafuego | squisher: bugs? instability? |
| 22:24.11 | squisher | cafuego: just trying to figure out what package depends on texlive-lang-*, but I can't find it |
| 22:24.18 | Supaplex | how can I use xargs to place a fixed paramater at the end of all the arguments? eg, similar to find foo/ -exec mv {} THIS/ \; |
| 22:24.23 | Whisper | aptitude install linux-image-2.6-whatimageshoulditakehere <-- ? |
| 22:24.34 | cafuego | Whisper: apt-cache search |
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| 22:24.46 | Amarande | cafuego, on a newer box, 2.6 is needed for a lot of hardware support |
| 22:24.48 | stoned | !package basics |
| 22:24.49 | dpkg | package basics is, like, The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 22:24.59 | Amarande | Intel Pro/1000 GT ethernet cards come to mind in particular |
| 22:25.01 | cafuego | Amarande: A pentium 166 is not a "newer box" |
| 22:25.10 | Amarande | in fact, if you have a Pro/1000 GT, you basically need etch, or at least its kernel |
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| 22:25.39 | cafuego | If you need GB ethernet hardware, you're probably better off running it in other hardware that can andle the interrupts. |
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| 22:25.41 | Whisper | a pentium mmx is a 686 image? |
| 22:25.42 | Whisper | right? |
| 22:25.49 | Amarande | 586 |
| 22:25.50 | peterS | Whisper: no, 586 |
| 22:25.52 | cafuego | Whisper: no. 586 tops |
| 22:25.53 | Supaplex | cafuego: he defines newer as in, made before, or after he was born? |
| 22:25.57 | raf256_ | can I limit download speed in aptitude? |
| 22:26.04 | peterS | Whisper: however, a Pentium Pro is 686, that is the next thing newer than Pentium MMX |
| 22:26.21 | Whisper | okay...well i cant find a 586 image |
| 22:26.29 | Amarande | I still remember when the PPro was called the P6 |
| 22:26.36 | Amarande | Good thing Intel's gone on to new names |
| 22:26.41 | Amarande | Pentium V or VI would have been a problem :) |
| 22:26.57 | {Nathan} | Amarande: why? Just wondering. |
| 22:26.58 | peterS | Whisper: right, Pentium MMX is rare enough now that Debian doesn't find it worthwhile to make separate kernel images for Pentium / Pentium MMX. so you have to use the 486 image. |
| 22:27.02 | Whisper | just find 486 and 686 with apt-cache, search... |
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| 22:27.24 | Supaplex | Amarande: what, you don't want Pentium 11.0? |
| 22:27.26 | Whisper | peterS okay thanks |
| 22:27.51 | cafuego | Supaplex: Well, the problem was that the original pentium was a P5. |
| 22:27.55 | Amarande | {Nathan}, they would get abbreviated P5 and P6. |
| 22:28.05 | Amarande | Which were what the original Pentium and PPro were referred to as. |
| 22:28.17 | {Nathan} | Amarande: I see. That would be a bit of a problem. |
| 22:28.32 | {Nathan} | Amarande: so I can say my laptop is a Pentium 5? |
| 22:28.52 | cafuego | And thus the P4 was named somewhat oddly |
| 22:29.03 | cafuego | And making Core be P5 again, Core2 be P6 again. |
| 22:29.16 | peterS | Supaplex: going by the chip ID it should be called a Pentium 15 now. the CPU family returned is 15. we speculate that someone at Intel was making a joke with the roman numerals IV |
| 22:29.26 | Amarande | I stick with AMD chips these days, they're saner. :) |
| 22:29.40 | cafuego | I wish I could agree |
| 22:29.40 | Supaplex | peterS: I see. :) |
| 22:29.56 | Supaplex | !spell saner |
| 22:29.57 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 22:30.00 | peterS | Supaplex: this broke kernel code when the Pentium 4 was first introduced - it was expecting CPU family to be 4, 5 or 6. (: |
| 22:30.09 | Amarande | I'm still not sure why Core2Duo is preferred over the X2 lately |
| 22:30.22 | Amarande | I always find Intel processors to be far too expensive compared to corresponding AMD's |
| 22:30.25 | wols_ | Amarande: cause it's faster |
| 22:30.30 | cafuego | Amarande: It's quite a bit faster |
| 22:30.42 | cafuego | And actually uses less power |
| 22:31.08 | peterS | Amarande: well, that used to be true, but from what I hear, now that Intel is in the AMD64 clone business, they've had to get competitive with price and performance |
| 22:31.08 | wols_ | and up until the latest AMD pricecuts it was cheaper for more speed too |
| 22:31.08 | zinx | Amarande: the core 2 duo was less expensive until AMD did the recent price cuts |
| 22:31.08 | Amarande | ahh, is Intel's reliance on raw clock speed starting to pan out? |
| 22:31.09 | zinx | Amarande: for the speed |
| 22:31.09 | Supaplex | I'll take a data center full of teraflop multicore systems. |
| 22:31.09 | zinx | Amarande: but now AMD's back to being the cheaper. |
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| 22:31.21 | wols_ | Amarande: that's long ago. and no it didn't pan out. which is why netburst/p4 is dead |
| 22:31.22 | Amarande | I remember AMD resorted to getting more out of cycles while Intel just raised clock speed |
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| 22:31.41 | squisher | Amarande: that was P4 time though, it has changed |
| 22:31.43 | Amarande | hopefully, CPUs will keep getting better |
| 22:31.43 | wols_ | zinx: intel just cut prices too |
| 22:31.43 | peterS | when I bought my current machine (K7 xp-2500+), AMD was the clear choice. but for amd64 it is not so clear-cut. |
| 22:31.43 | diclophis-work | hello all |
| 22:31.45 | cafuego | Amarande: Yes, that kinda stopped with the 3.6GHz P4s |
| 22:31.53 | Amarande | but some developments give an idea that they might not |
| 22:31.53 | zinx | wols_: how recently? |
| 22:31.58 | cafuego | Amarande: Then intel dropped back to under 2GHz with the Core cpus. |
| 22:31.59 | Amarande | stupid anti-piracy stuff |
| 22:32.02 | wols_ | zinx: yesterday/today |
| 22:32.05 | zinx | 'cause a week ago AMD was cheaper for performance |
| 22:32.10 | wols_ | zinx: 6420 CPUs now |
| 22:32.12 | zinx | wols_: that could be interesting, then |
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| 22:32.16 | Amarande | some people want anti-piracy stuff to be in the CPU, which will sap away cycles to protect the RIAA and MPAA at performance's expense. |
| 22:32.19 | diclophis-work | so, say I wanted to grab the middle bytes of a file that was in a gziped tarbal, could i do so without loading the entire thing into memory, or extracting the tarbal? |
| 22:32.31 | wols_ | Amarande: it won't |
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| 22:32.37 | Dave2 | no. |
| 22:32.47 | peterS | diclophis-work: tar lets you extract just a single file at a time, but gzip does not support random-access |
| 22:32.48 | Supaplex | oh no, we pirated linux, sue us |
| 22:32.54 | wols_ | TPM is evil but it won't make your PC slower |
| 22:32.54 | zinx | diclophis-work: you have to decompress it all up to what you want.. you don't have to store what you don't in memory, however. |
| 22:32.56 | Supaplex | my bad. sco tried that. |
| 22:32.57 | Dave2 | you'd have to decompress it to get at the files |
| 22:33.04 | diclophis-work | hmm |
| 22:33.13 | diclophis-work | so gzip in general doesnt allow random-access |
| 22:33.14 | peterS | diclophis-work: you don't "load the entire thing into memory", though. gzip has to decompress the whole thing, but it doesn't all sit in memory at once, it streams through. |
| 22:33.23 | Dave2 | there is no random access to be had |
| 22:33.27 | Dave2 | gzip just compresses a stream |
| 22:33.34 | diclophis-work | are there compression schemes that support random-access? |
| 22:33.37 | Dave2 | which is why it's coupled with tar. |
| 22:33.43 | diclophis-work | right |
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| 22:33.47 | wols_ | diclophis-work: zip |
| 22:33.47 | peterS | diclophis-work: this is one advantage of zip over tar.gz - zip, like tar, lets you extract just a single file at a time. each file is compressed separately. |
| 22:33.51 | Dave2 | rar, 7-zip, zip, I think they all allow for it |
| 22:33.56 | zinx | diclophis-work: not generally, but you can compress in blocks instead of as a contiguous streem |
| 22:33.57 | zinx | erh, stream |
| 22:34.01 | diclophis-work | right |
| 22:34.04 | diclophis-work | interesting |
| 22:34.10 | zinx | diclophis-work: or you can compress each file separately (like zip/etc) |
| 22:34.15 | diclophis-work | i was wondering this, cause i thoguht to myself |
| 22:34.19 | peterS | diclophis-work: zip uses the same algorithm as gzip, which is not random-access, but since it compresses each file separately, you can at least get _that_ much random access |
| 22:34.21 | diclophis-work | how do games like oblivion store their data? |
| 22:34.35 | diclophis-work | or any big data game |
| 22:34.39 | wols_ | diclophis-work: virtual filesystem inside a single file |
| 22:34.40 | peterS | as opposed to tar.gz, where the entire tarfile is fed into gzip as a single stream |
| 22:34.43 | zinx | diclophis-work: many just use zip |
| 22:34.45 | diclophis-work | surely they must be using compress AND need random access |
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| 22:35.07 | zinx | diclophis-work: but some use custom methods where they also compress files at a time, rather than everything |
| 22:35.12 | wols_ | diclophis-work:usually the datafiles themselves are compressed. e.g sound using mp3 or even ogg, pictures using png or jpg, etc |
| 22:35.33 | wols_ | and all of the files are grouped into big archive files which implement a sort of virtual filesystem |
| 22:35.35 | peterS | diclophis-work: whole-disk-level compression schemes generally compress chunks of a file at a time - every 32 kB, say. compression is not as good but at least you get closer to true random access for your files, which is often important |
| 22:35.35 | Dave2 | even? Vorbis is far more common than MP3 nowadays. |
| 22:35.41 | infester | wols_: virtual filesystems inside a file? =S why do they need virtual fs? |
| 22:35.44 | zinx | generally they resort to custom formats because they don't want people accessing/modifying the data |
| 22:35.59 | wols_ | infester: speed of access for example |
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| 22:36.13 | wols_ | saving real diskspace too |
| 22:36.16 | squisher | zinx: except most things id software... they usually just use zip :) |
| 22:36.28 | infester | ic... hmm, i cant even think of how it would work :D |
| 22:36.35 | infester | i mean, theoretical |
| 22:36.42 | cafuego | infester: every MS file format pretty much does that |
| 22:36.44 | infester | in theory* |
| 22:36.48 | zinx | squisher: id doesn't care about people accessing/modifying the data.. they know they'll do it anyway |
| 22:36.48 | diclophis-work | interesting |
| 22:36.59 | diclophis-work | wonder how encyrption fits in the whole equation |
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| 22:37.04 | zinx | squisher: so they don't bother to develop their own format when there are existing formats that work just fine :) |
| 22:37.26 | peterS | diclophis-work: if you're going to compress and encrypt, it's much more efficient to compress first - so you don't have to encrypt as much data. plus, if you encrypt first, you can't compress at all |
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| 22:37.45 | squisher | zinx: Yeah, it's neat. From a technical point of view id is just great! :) |
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| 22:37.50 | peterS | since encrypted data looks like white noise, it doesn't compress at all unless the compressor algorithm is able to crack the encryption (: |
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| 22:38.08 | Myelin | Hello, just a short question: Is dpkg package is present in the base install of Debian? |
| 22:38.14 | peterS | Myelin: yes |
| 22:38.17 | wols_ | Myelin: yes |
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| 22:38.34 | wols_ | Myelin: apt-get is present too |
| 22:38.42 | zinx | peterS: that only applies to *good* encryption, of course :) |
| 22:38.47 | Myelin | Ok, thanks. :) |
| 22:38.57 | peterS | zinx: I said unless the compressor can crack the encryption |
| 22:38.58 | diclophis-work | true |
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| 22:39.09 | cafuego | zinx: your bunzip can't h4x my rot13 :-) |
| 22:39.18 | peterS | zinx: finding a pattern in the encrypted data that can be exploited to compress it counts as cracking (: |
| 22:39.20 | Thms | how can i restor the toolbar of gnome which is on the top of my screen ? |
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| 22:39.38 | zinx | peterS: irrelevant.. good encryption causes randomish data.. bad encryption doesn't neccesarily do so (see rot13) |
| 22:39.44 | infester | how does it work when you program a program like that? are there libraries for such things? i mean, so the code just about looks like you are editing separate files in a real fs? |
| 22:40.06 | zinx | peterS: psh, if you can't figure out the original data using your method, it doesn't count as cracking :) |
| 22:40.09 | peterS | zinx: cracking an algorithm doesn't just mean reading the plaintext, finding patterns in it gets you most of the way |
| 22:40.41 | zinx | peterS: you're going all cryptoanalist on me |
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| 22:41.04 | peterS | zinx: I'm assuming, of course, that the ciphertext is the same length as the plaintext - if the ciphertext is padded with lots of spurious nulls, for example, you could compress _those_ without cracking it - but you won't get smaller than the original plaintext, so there's not much point |
| 22:41.28 | Supaplex | all your +ZK579Hr4KryEjgFFceW/EOHr7zNz+jVDTgfurWizyIE/B8/6a+6js76H1rBdk9+hidNrWyNe= are belong to me. |
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| 22:41.38 | infester | =F |
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| 22:44.41 | wide_awake | hello |
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| 22:45.15 | wide_awake | is there a doc out there that explains how to upgrade from an old etch (back before it became "stable") to the stable etch? |
| 22:45.34 | infester | etch is still etch wols_ |
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| 22:45.37 | infester | wide_awake* |
| 22:45.37 | jpablo | I, anyone has a working packages for compiz in sid ? the current version in sid and experimental both depends and conflict with libmetacity |
| 22:45.46 | {Nathan} | wide_awake: That would be downgrading from lenny to etch |
| 22:45.50 | azeem | wide_awake: how long before it became stable? |
| 22:45.51 | infester | but yes, if you are wondering how you update sid to etch there is. sec |
| 22:46.00 | wide_awake | azeem, a long time ago |
| 22:46.04 | infester | sarge even. |
| 22:46.09 | azeem | wide_awake: not really, no |
| 22:46.13 | {Nathan} | wide_awake: Err, wait... etch is still etch. You are on stable etch. |
| 22:46.14 | Amarande | yeah, if he had anything resembling a normal etch setup before the release, he would have automatically gone on to lenny |
| 22:46.14 | kramed | how do you use reIserfs as the default fs In 4.0? I dId not get the optIon to choose |
| 22:46.17 | infester | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.22 | azeem | wide_awake: just read the release notes, and try to follow the advice there |
| 22:46.26 | Amarande | {Nathan}, most likely his sources.list refers to "testing" instead of "etch" |
| 22:46.31 | Amarande | so he'd have gone on to lenny :| |
| 22:46.37 | wide_awake | Amarande, you got it. |
| 22:46.46 | wide_awake | but haven't done a dist-upgrade for a long time |
| 22:46.49 | infester | wide_awake: without that extra e :) |
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| 22:46.53 | {Nathan} | Amarande: Oh, well then... I retract my latest statement and stick to my first one. |
| 22:46.54 | cafuego | kramed: You start by hating your data, then you choose an unstable FS by doing the manual partitioning step. |
| 22:47.18 | kramed | thanks |
| 22:47.23 | Vasistha | !reiser |
| 22:47.23 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
| 22:47.32 | wide_awake | Booo! reiser. |
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| 22:47.41 | infester | is there a way to check which type of debian currently used? except for checking sources.list |
| 22:47.44 | kramed | haha |
| 22:47.45 | Vasistha | wide_awake: are you sadder but wiser? :P |
| 22:47.55 | cafuego | Note that XFS is also not really that much safer. |
| 22:47.57 | Vasistha | infester: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 22:48.03 | infester | Vasistha: thanks |
| 22:48.05 | wide_awake | Vasistha, yes indeed. |
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| 22:48.14 | daft | How can i create a unix socket |
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| 22:48.18 | wide_awake | reiser is designed to keep sysadmins up late at night. |
| 22:48.28 | peterS | daft: bind to it |
| 22:48.46 | peterS | daft: in other words, with socket() and bind() from a C or Perl program |
| 22:48.46 | clusty | there is some utility to check the text info from png files but cant remember the name. any1 has a clue what i am talking about? |
| 22:48.49 | cafuego | wide_awake: it has some nice features, like writing to fiels to they becom larger than that usrspace can handle ;-) |
| 22:48.57 | Amarande | actually, the lenny thing is why I waited for etch to be stable before installing Linux again |
| 22:48.58 | Vasistha | wide_awake: sorry to hear that; though I'm also glad to hear it from a reasl person -- it's nice to have dpkg's rumerous factoids verified ;) |
| 22:49.37 | wide_awake | cafuego, no doubt it has many good features. I just don't like the "easily-corrupted" feature. makes me uneasy. |
| 22:49.45 | wide_awake | haven't had that experience with any other linux FS |
| 22:49.57 | cafuego | wide_awake: I've ahd it with XFS (a few times) |
| 22:50.08 | cafuego | ext3 with a few extra options enables is my preferred now |
| 22:50.10 | peterS | wide_awake: indeed. reiser4 is supposed to be better in that regard, but I'm very hesitant to trust that particular development team when they say something is stable |
| 22:50.46 | cafuego | wide_awake: http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/348 |
| 22:50.49 | wide_awake | cafuego, I've been free & clear with XFS. it's survived several power outages & other unexpected problems. I guess YMMV as usual |
| 22:51.10 | Vasistha | and of course, Reiser himself hasn't shown himself to be the most honorable of people! Fast and dirty seems to be his way... |
| 22:51.25 | wide_awake | cafuego, cool. What conclusion do they come to? |
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| 22:51.36 | cafuego | wide_awake: I got bit by the 2.6.17 bug (xfs_repair removed ld-linux from /lib) and lost two entire / partitions in the early-ish 2.6 range. |
| 22:51.44 | cafuego | wide_awake: "use ext3" :-) |
| 22:51.45 | wide_awake | yikes. |
| 22:51.52 | wide_awake | hehe, I'll second that. |
| 22:52.04 | wide_awake | and XFS on /home |
| 22:52.46 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if I should have allocated swap space |
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| 22:52.46 | Amarande | I don't think I have any disk space left to be swap now, though |
| 22:52.47 | wide_awake | I benched ext3 and XFS on my most recent box, and it had about 2x write speed. |
| 22:52.54 | cafuego | Amarande: You can always swap on a file. |
| 22:53.03 | Amarande | Vasistha, next time the power fails and you have to wait all day for things to fsck, you'll know :) |
| 22:53.20 | Amarande | hmm, should that file be mode 000, 400, or 600? |
| 22:53.23 | cafuego | Vasistha: ext2 is fine. *mature* is good. |
| 22:53.24 | Amarande | I'm assuming root.root ownership |
| 22:53.28 | cafuego | Amarande: 600 |
| 22:53.36 | Amarande | and does it need to be on the / partition? |
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| 22:53.52 | cafuego | Amarande: Nah |
| 22:54.17 | cafuego | Amarande: if you have multiple disks, add a few smaller swap aprtitions. |
| 22:54.18 | Thms | what does cat /dev/random >/dev/sda & ? |
| 22:54.28 | wide_awake | Vasistha, why not ext3? |
| 22:54.31 | raf256_ | Thms: destroys your hda |
| 22:54.33 | raf256_ | * sda |
| 22:54.39 | Thms | okay |
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| 22:54.48 | peterS | wide_awake: 2.6.17 was an unfortunate incident in the history of xfs - I don't know that I'd assume it will ever recur. any fs can have a deadly bug that accidentally gets into a kernel release. but that said, I do use ext3 because xfs has had other problems in its more distant past |
| 22:54.55 | raf256_ | Thms: that command, in background, destroys your hard drive data.. did someone told you to use it/ |
| 22:55.02 | Amarande | cafuego, what's the max file size in ext3? |
| 22:55.06 | cafuego | Thms: it will take a *long* time and to be safe you'll neeed to do that 3 or so times. |
| 22:55.11 | Thms | raf256_: yes :D |
| 22:55.11 | cafuego | Amarande: No idea |
| 22:55.16 | stew | Thms: who? |
| 22:55.18 | azeem | Thms: somebody in here? |
| 22:55.21 | Thms | no |
| 22:55.21 | Vasistha | wide_awake: it's easier to recover accidentally-deleted files with ext2; and, I DO use ext3 on my / partition, just not on the data partition. However, seeing as I haven't had need to recover any accidentally-deleted files for two years, I'm wondering if there's anything in this position. |
| 22:55.32 | cafuego | Thms: Did you *want* to erase your hdd? |
| 22:55.40 | Thms | no, to restore gnome :D |
| 22:55.42 | raf256_ | Thms: to erase hard drive use shared harddrivename like /dev/sda - it will irreverciable destroy all your first sata driver data |
| 22:55.46 | cafuego | Then don't run it. |
| 22:55.48 | raf256_ | * share |
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| 22:55.53 | raf256_ | omg. shred shred |
| 22:55.55 | Vasistha | Thms: who advised you to do that?? |
| 22:55.56 | Amarande | I thought sda was SCSI, not SATA |
| 22:55.58 | wad | It won't destroy it, it will fill it with random (unreadable) data. You would be able to repartition it and use it again someday, right? |
| 22:56.07 | raf256_ | Amarande: it is also SATA |
| 22:56.09 | cafuego | Amarande: sda is any harddisk these days. |
| 22:56.12 | Thms | a friend (-_-)" |
| 22:56.16 | azeem | wad: "destroys your hard drive *data*" |
| 22:56.17 | cafuego | raf256_: it's also pata |
| 22:56.23 | Amarande | cat /dev/random > /dev/sda & is what you do before selling a hard drive on ebay, unless you want to make a total idiot out of yourself. :) |
| 22:56.24 | Vasistha | Thms: I don't think I'd use that word to describe such a person, but ok. |
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| 22:56.55 | raf256_ | Thms: someone told you that as a joke? lol you should stay on higher quality channels then |
| 22:56.55 | Amarande | or /dev/zero, or /dev/urandom or a number of other odds and ends, of course :) |
| 22:56.58 | peterS | Amarande: no no no no. that will take forever. /dev/urandom if you please. |
| 22:56.58 | Vasistha | Thms: on the plus side, it *will* go rather slowly. /dev/urandom would be much more destructive, much faster |
| 22:57.04 | wad | Amarande, or you could fill it with pr0n first, then sell it. |
| 22:57.21 | peterS | Amarande: the difference between urandom and random for this particular purpose is exactly nothing |
| 22:57.27 | yetifoot | thats what i call value added |
| 22:57.31 | raf256_ | Vasistha: peterS well but it WILL Start with partition table, mbr, probably boot, and FS table of first partition |
| 22:57.34 | Amarande | how does /dev/random gather entropy, anyway? |
| 22:57.35 | stoned | alright |
| 22:57.39 | stoned | im fucking done with kde |
| 22:57.43 | stoned | im sick and tired of it |
| 22:57.46 | raf256_ | Amarande: kernel collects entroy data |
| 22:57.46 | cafuego | Amarande: Depending on the inode size, 16GiB – 2TiB apparently. |
| 22:57.53 | peterS | stoned: floating point crash? or what? |
| 22:57.57 | stoned | no |
| 22:57.58 | wide_awake | Vasistha, I think an easier way to prevent accidentally deleted files is to alias "rm" to "rm -i" |
| 22:58.00 | Vasistha | Amarande: there's a manpage for it that's very enlightening! |
| 22:58.14 | wide_awake | or to have a better backup strategy ;) |
| 22:58.18 | raf256_ | stoned: dont worry about kde we are all children of god brother |
| 22:58.31 | yetifoot | Vasistha, haha, just tried it |
| 22:58.31 | stoned | peterS: I finally got off my ass, and patched xfdesktop4/src/main.c and modified it so that left click == window list popup menu |
| 22:58.36 | Vasistha | wide_awake: that's not always safe, esp. when using 'find' along with a pipe to xargs -- which is exactly the kind of situation where a scripting mistake *could* accidentally delete files |
| 22:58.44 | raf256_ | speaking of, how to set it so even root can not access /dev/hda as device? |
| 22:58.45 | yetifoot | VaLouille, i feel silly now |
| 22:58.47 | stoned | peterS: which is why I was using kde to begin with really.. now I can use xfce4 and have it work the way i want |
| 22:58.52 | yetifoot | Vasistha, i mean |
| 22:58.54 | Amarande | hmm, I think I just found a practical use for dd. :) |
| 22:58.56 | Vasistha | yetifoot: tried what?? |
| 22:58.59 | cafuego | raf256_: Are you sure that's what you want? |
| 22:59.05 | raf256_ | Vasistha: like following ../ :) |
| 22:59.08 | Amarande | where it's actually a more efficient choice than most other tools. |
| 22:59.09 | raf256_ | cafuego: yse |
| 22:59.11 | peterS | stoned: just checking, because one of the kde maintainers asked me to keep an eye out for people complaining about floating point crashes |
| 22:59.12 | raf256_ | * yes |
| 22:59.22 | cafuego | raf256_: Add a line in the udev scripts to set the permissions to 000. |
| 22:59.27 | yetifoot | Vasistha, man /dev/random , i should go sleep, i'm clearly not working well |
| 22:59.33 | raf256_ | I want to stop root user from accessing /dev/hda (or better yet from accessing device which this major/minor) |
| 22:59.37 | raf256_ | cafuego: no, root will bypass chmod |
| 22:59.44 | stoned | peterS: I was getting those too.. but even on a 3.5ghz core 2 duo with ram at c4 timings it was slow as the fuck |
| 22:59.46 | Amarande | dd if=/dev/zero of=./swap count=4GiB |
| 22:59.51 | Amarande | that's a practical use for dd :) |
| 22:59.52 | Vasistha | yetifoot: oh, yeah, interesting, huh!! night! |
| 22:59.56 | cafuego | Amarande: That seems a bit excessive |
| 23:00.02 | wad | Forget KDE. Just do "ln -s /bin/emacs /sbin/init" |
| 23:00.06 | peterS | Amarande: ummm, why bother with count=? |
| 23:00.09 | Amarande | hmm, I always learned it was swap = 2x physical |
| 23:00.12 | raf256_ | kde is awsome |
| 23:00.14 | stoned | peterS: xfce4 is like zooooom, hey what just flew past my head.. i dunno, i dunno, i can't see it, it was so fast |
| 23:00.14 | Vasistha | Amarande: practical, if not the most efficient... |
| 23:00.17 | stoned | hehehe |
| 23:00.18 | Amarande | peterS, for creating a swap file |
| 23:00.20 | cafuego | Amarande: On 2.2 kernels sure |
| 23:00.31 | Amarande | if you didn't use count, it would use your entire free space on that partition |
| 23:00.33 | cafuego | Amarande: Not since 2.4.18, when the scheduler got fixed. |
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| 23:00.35 | peterS | Amarande: besides, I don't think you got it right - 4GB x 512 bytes is 2 TB. do you really want a 2 TB swap file? |
| 23:00.43 | stew | count takes number of bytes? i thought it took number of blocks |
| 23:00.51 | peterS | count takes blocks, which default to 512 bytes |
| 23:01.04 | Amarande | okay, maybe I'd better ^C this before /var gets filled :P |
| 23:01.06 | raf256_ | swap = mem_size_you_will_even_need_at_once * 0.3 - phisical_ram_size + say 128 MB |
| 23:01.11 | stoned | I dislike gtk, i stand by what i said, but i like fast more than i dislike gtk |
| 23:01.14 | cafuego | Amarande: dd if=/dev/zero of=./swap bs=1M count=1 seek=2047 |
| 23:01.17 | raf256_ | *1.3 |
| 23:01.27 | raf256_ | the "double ram" rule is stupid |
| 23:01.34 | Wyzard | swap needed = RAM you wish you had - RAM you actually have |
| 23:01.39 | peterS | cafuego: a sparse swap file is ... not a brilliant idea |
| 23:01.47 | cafuego | peterS: Oh, go on ;-) |
| 23:01.55 | zinx | you have to mkswap it anyway |
| 23:02.21 | cafuego | zinx: Hmm, he has a point, mkswap just write a signature to the start of the file/partition I think. |
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| 23:03.05 | cafuego | Amarande: If you have 2GB and don't need to use hibernate, 1Gb of swap will be WAY enough |
| 23:03.14 | stew | this rules. 2.6.18 won't mount a cifs share i need to mount but 2.6.16 will |
| 23:03.26 | Amarande | hmm, that's count=2M, right? |
| 23:03.26 | raf256_ | in my LAN i have 10 boxes, I have to give them names, how to? should I set one box to be also local DNS? |
| 23:03.34 | zinx | mkswap says: no holes plz |
| 23:03.48 | zinx | or at least the manpage does :/ |
| 23:03.52 | cafuego | heh |
| 23:04.08 | zinx | you may overwrite random areas of your hard drive.. but hopefully it'll detect :) |
| 23:04.19 | Amarande | Light, what is wrong with vi! |
| 23:04.27 | cafuego | zinx: mkswap doesn't mind it |
| 23:04.32 | Amarande | every time I hit the right arrow key in edit mode, I get a C on the previous line, not a right movement |
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| 23:04.40 | lupine_85 | raf256_: if you don't want to bother with DNS, you can just synchronise an /etc/hosts file between all the boxes |
| 23:04.43 | zinx | cafuego: does it allocate the space? |
| 23:04.46 | lupine_85 | it's how the original internet did DNS ;) |
| 23:04.48 | wide_awake | Amarande, you need vim |
| 23:04.51 | cafuego | zinx: Nope |
| 23:04.51 | wide_awake | not vi |
| 23:04.53 | lupine_85 | (well, domain names) |
| 23:04.55 | cafuego | zinx: file stats sparse |
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| 23:04.59 | cafuego | stays |
| 23:05.00 | zinx | cafuego: i certainly wouldn't try to swapon it, then. |
| 23:05.01 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: you should use hjkl anyway (faster once you are used to it) |
| 23:05.06 | wide_awake | in old-skool vi, you move around with hjkl |
| 23:05.17 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: Maybe you have vim-tiny or nvi |
| 23:05.20 | Amarande | well, the funny thing is |
| 23:05.25 | raf256_ | lupine_85: yea but its not very scalable, is it hard to have dns server which will simply set thoes static names like foo.local = 192.168.1.5 and otherwise will ask .1.1 gateway for dns names? |
| 23:05.26 | Amarande | when NOT in edit mode, the cursor keys work fine |
| 23:05.30 | Amarande | it's after I hit 'i' that I get a C |
| 23:05.50 | lupine_85 | raf256_: for 10 machines, it doesn't really /have/ to be stable... ;) but BIND is easy enough to set up |
| 23:05.52 | raf256_ | Amarande: hm, ask #vim ? |
| 23:05.55 | lupine_85 | s/stable/scalable/ |
| 23:05.58 | raf256_ | * scalable |
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| 23:06.02 | Amarande | ahh, I had to install VIM |
| 23:06.23 | wide_awake | did you get Vim 7? |
| 23:06.26 | wide_awake | it's great |
| 23:06.27 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: edit mode is not for moving around in anyway |
| 23:06.28 | wide_awake | :) |
| 23:06.28 | raf256_ | lupine_85: is bind secure? I hear all the rummors of "securing bind9" "omg bind9 hack" "bind9 and security" - wtf? |
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| 23:06.52 | cafuego | raf256_: It's fine, you don't need it accessible from the outside world, after all. |
| 23:06.59 | lupine_85 | it's at least as secure as any other software, and probably more so |
| 23:07.11 | lupine_85 | very few 0-day exploits, if any, I suspect |
| 23:07.19 | lupine_85 | for added security you can run it in a chroot, but meh |
| 23:07.21 | cafuego | bind8 is a somewhat different story |
| 23:07.24 | raf256_ | but I wonder how such simple things as normal DNS server, and so common thing, can be exploitable after all these years of development |
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| 23:07.40 | lupine_85 | everything is always exploitable |
| 23:07.40 | cafuego | raf256_: Well, there's exploits and there's exploits. |
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| 23:07.56 | lupine_85 | eg. DoS exploits are 10 a penny |
| 23:07.59 | h3sp4wn | It has to deal with zone transfers (dnssec should help) |
| 23:08.05 | cafuego | raf256_: The software itself is pretty good. The protocol however... |
| 23:08.10 | Amarande | yay, swap set up :) |
| 23:08.10 | nadir | im getting W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 23:08.14 | nadir | ? |
| 23:08.24 | lupine_85 | like I said, I really doubt there are any 0-day root exploits around for BIND at this moment |
| 23:08.25 | Amarande | h3sp4wn, when you need to, say, add something onto the end of a line, you kinda have to move around in edit. :) |
| 23:08.27 | raf256_ | can I use some better DNS in my lan (or vlan) like some secure dns? |
| 23:08.30 | Amarande | unless you're saying I can cursor past the end of a line :) |
| 23:08.40 | lupine_85 | raf256_: like the microsoft DNS server? |
| 23:08.42 | nadir | how can I get around this GPG issue? |
| 23:08.47 | stew | raf256_: how is bind9 not secure? |
| 23:08.58 | cafuego | raf256_: bind9 is the most widely used, and is just fine. |
| 23:08.59 | stew | nadir: /msg dpkg apt-key 16BA136C |
| 23:08.59 | lupine_85 | using /etc/hosts is more secure than bind; it's possibly the only thing that is |
| 23:09.03 | Amarande | say, did the root exploits ever work on BIND that was behind a NAT? |
| 23:09.12 | raf256_ | stew: dns protocol is not too secure right? is there like secured-dns (dunno... signed/ssl responses)? |
| 23:09.17 | nadir | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.19 | Amarande | i.e., was it a bad DNS file that did it or someone having to connect to *you* and write bad data to your BIND? |
| 23:09.20 | nadir | lol |
| 23:09.22 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: command mode - $ a |
| 23:09.25 | stew | raf256_: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:09.33 | Amarande | anyway, vim > vi, anyway :) |
| 23:09.37 | stew | raf256_: are you going to be hosting public dns servers for some domain? |
| 23:09.40 | lupine_85 | raf256_: nooooooo, it's not that simple |
| 23:09.45 | itchi | How do you know that it is the key 16BA136C ? Only the 8 last chars? |
| 23:09.51 | stew | itchi: yes |
| 23:09.55 | cafuego | stew: Even then bind9 is fine <heh> |
| 23:10.04 | nadir | stew: ok now THAT was cool |
| 23:10.10 | raf256_ | stew: say I have a bigger "local" dns server and want to defend against some one braking one of boxes or tapping into net |
| 23:10.10 | nadir | im opressed |
| 23:10.12 | Amarande | I'm assuming I'm essentially safe, seeing that my BIND is behind a router that does not forward incoming connections to 53 |
| 23:10.14 | lupine_85 | DNS is distributed, so implementing $ssh-signed-protocol would be difficult and retarted |
| 23:10.18 | cafuego | nadir: hahaha |
| 23:10.23 | itchi | stew: What's called that stuff. GPG keys?? |
| 23:10.23 | Vasistha | nadir: hehheh |
| 23:10.30 | stew | itchi: yes |
| 23:10.32 | lupine_85 | seriously, you don't need to worry about the security of bind |
| 23:10.42 | Amarande | I got rooted once, I hated that experience :| |
| 23:10.42 | raf256_ | lupine_85: ok I got it... Im merly curious now |
| 23:10.43 | Vasistha | itchi: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 23:10.44 | lupine_85 | I suspect it's what the root servers are all running |
| 23:10.46 | itchi | stew: Thanks ;-) Gona google now |
| 23:10.47 | Amarande | It's why I never ran Caldera again after that one night I tried it |
| 23:10.50 | raf256_ | Amarande: how come? |
| 23:10.50 | itchi | oh, cool Vasistha |
| 23:11.01 | cafuego | raf256_: If it makes you feel better, I run bind9 for all production dns servers here. So does my isp :-) |
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| 23:11.06 | Amarande | raf, I had just installed Caldera, I was on a dialup back then |
| 23:11.16 | Amarande | next thing, I noticed all sorts of weird text all over my screen as I was irc'ing and things about being owned |
| 23:11.25 | stew | cafuego: yes. my reasoning was going to be that either its going to be a private dns server and he shouldn't worry. if he's hosting a public server, then his questions about a different protocol are silly. |
| 23:11.27 | Amarande | I disconnected, reformatted, and went back to Debian |
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| 23:11.47 | cafuego | stew: Yeah, it's invariably a user/admin issue, not a software problem. |
| 23:11.53 | stew | yes |
| 23:12.11 | raf256_ | what is Caldera? I upposed you dont mean Alexander Calder the XIX century artist |
| 23:12.21 | Vasistha | raf256_: it's a distro |
| 23:12.23 | raf256_ | oh silly me, wrong paste |
| 23:12.25 | stew | was |
| 23:12.27 | cafuego | raf256_: You may know them as SCO. |
| 23:12.36 | raf256_ | Caldera Systems, the former name of SCO Group |
| 23:12.41 | raf256_ | huh huh, SCO... |
| 23:12.56 | lupine_85 | :D |
| 23:13.02 | raf256_ | are they still suing linux users all over the world |
| 23:13.06 | raf256_ | (or devels) |
| 23:13.32 | raf256_ | Caldera OpenLinux is a defunct Linux distribution The neutrality of this article is disputed. huh. |
| 23:13.35 | Wyzard | I don't think they were ever suing people "all over the world" |
| 23:13.46 | Wyzard | They have a few lawsuits going on, most notably the IBM one |
| 23:13.55 | dvs | and Novell? |
| 23:13.57 | lupine_85 | did they find their evidence yet? |
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| 23:14.22 | Wyzard | afaik they're running out of money and they have yet to produce any real evidence |
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| 23:14.36 | lupine_85 | bwahaha |
| 23:14.42 | Vasistha | I wonder if microsoft will give them more money and help them materialize evidence |
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| 23:15.16 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Microsoft did that once already, I believe, buying a bunch of SCO licenses for an undisclosed sum |
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| 23:16.17 | Wyzard | According to digg/slashdot, Novell recently filed several motions for summary judgement, asking the judge to rule on the claim that SCO didn't actually buy the Unix copyrights from Novell in the first place, among other things |
| 23:16.46 | cafuego | So all in all it should be over soon. |
| 23:16.55 | Wyzard | probably, yeah |
| 23:17.25 | Octopssy | Does anyone know the following: I've just installed some services on my new debian box, I installed the apache server, and was about to install php5 until I Saw while installing php5 that it gave some errors, like "can't start apache2" already something running on p80 (which is I assume apache1?) - Does anybody know why this is? |
| 23:17.30 | wide_awake | according to slashdot, emacs is better than vi. Also, on a related note, vi is better than emacs. |
| 23:17.35 | cafuego | At which point, possibly, Novell wills ell the copyright to Microsoft, and they'll start suing for themselves, instead of via a front company. |
| 23:17.43 | cafuego | wide_awake: Well, they' |
| 23:17.46 | cafuego | re both wrong! |
| 23:17.53 | wide_awake | nano FTW! |
| 23:18.03 | dvs | edlin! |
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| 23:18.19 | Vasistha | Octopssy: well, *are* you running apache1? You might want to uninstall it, or at least stop it. /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 23:18.26 | DiaboluZ | Any suggestions for a nice php based webmail? Which is designed nicely, not anything ugly like squirrelmail or something like that :) |
| 23:18.31 | yetifoot | Octopssy, someone told me about a problem like that recently, i think they had to edit a file in init.d |
| 23:18.38 | wide_awake | DiaboluZ, check out roundcube |
| 23:18.41 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: Give roundcube mail a go |
| 23:18.44 | wide_awake | low version number, but really nice interface. |
| 23:18.45 | Wyzard | I remember reading once about how they'd presented some "proof" of infringement in a stockholders' meeting or something, Linux code that they obfuscated by printing all the letters in Greek to avoid revealing their proprietary secrets or whatever, and someone took a picture of it and transliterated it back and it turned out to be legacy BSD code that they didn't have exclusive rights to anyway |
| 23:18.52 | Octopssy | Hmm.. |
| 23:19.01 | DiaboluZ | Hehe actually had found roundcube myself, funny you two suggest that :) |
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| 23:19.17 | wide_awake | roundcube is what I'd use if I had to add webmail |
| 23:19.25 | yetifoot | Octopssy, i think they said the file said start*** when it should have just been start or something |
| 23:19.34 | Octopssy | well when u install the apache pack, does it auto install apache1 and apache2? |
| 23:19.39 | Vasistha | !u |
| 23:19.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:19.42 | wide_awake | unless I could get away with using Google Apps for my domain :) |
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| 23:19.55 | Enverex | Does anyone know of an e-UAE amd64 package? I can find an Ubuntu one for i386 but can't find one for Debian at all and I need amd64 anyway |
| 23:19.56 | Octopssy | hmm |
| 23:20.06 | Wyzard | Octopssy: There are separate packages for apache1 and apache2 |
| 23:20.24 | DiaboluZ | But yeah, it looks nice :) Only thinking about one configuration thing....$rcmail_config['smtp_user'] = '%u'; $rcmail_config['smtp_pass'] = '%p'; <- does this mean it uses the same user/pass for the smtp as were used for the mail-login? cause that is how it should be :) |
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| 23:20.33 | Octopssy | But they automatically get installed when u "apt-get install apache" |
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| 23:20.50 | cafuego | Octopssy: No, it only installs one. (1.3.x) |
| 23:20.50 | dvs | Octopssy: that apache1 I believe |
| 23:20.52 | Wyzard | Octopssy: That's apache1 |
| 23:20.57 | Wyzard | Octopssy: You want the "apache2" package |
| 23:21.05 | cafuego | Octopssy: if you wanetd apache2, install apache2. |
| 23:21.12 | pdbogen | ~u |
| 23:21.14 | apt | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1.. See http://wooledge.org/~greg/uf20041201.png |
| 23:21.24 | dvs | pdbogen: abrotman? Is that you? |
| 23:21.24 | Octopssy | well I might need to |
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| 23:21.30 | Octopssy | Since PHP5 is reffering AT the install |
| 23:21.33 | Octopssy | to apache2 |
| 23:21.41 | Enverex | What the hell... I search for "euae" on Google and it searches for "eua" instead |
| 23:21.43 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: Well, I run it with the smtpd on localhost, no auth for that, so not bohered. |
| 23:21.44 | pdbogen | dvs: Nah. |
| 23:21.59 | cafuego | Enverex: euæ? |
| 23:22.03 | Wyzard | Octopssy: You're using the packaged PHP, right? |
| 23:22.06 | Octopssy | yes |
| 23:22.17 | Wyzard | Octopssy: For PHP5 on apache2 you want libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 23:22.22 | cafuego | Octopssy: You want to remove 'apache' and add 'libapache2-mod-php5' |
| 23:22.25 | Octopssy | installed 1 min ago with aptitude |
| 23:22.32 | Octopssy | yes but i want PHP5 on Apache1 |
| 23:22.33 | Enverex | cafuego, No, just English characters |
| 23:22.37 | Octopssy | Is that possible? |
| 23:22.45 | cafuego | Octopssy: 'libapache-mod-php5' then :-) |
| 23:22.48 | Wyzard | Octopssy: then libapache-mod-php5 |
| 23:22.55 | Octopssy | ok |
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| 23:25.24 | nadir | when i installed apache2.2-common it hasnt installed any mdules? |
| 23:25.42 | peterS | nadir: right, install apache2 and apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 23:25.44 | nadir | is there a generic modules package? |
| 23:25.49 | dvs | !info apache2.2 stable |
| 23:25.51 | nadir | wait |
| 23:25.54 | nadir | i did that, i saw it |
| 23:25.56 | nadir | sec |
| 23:26.05 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 23:26.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:26.24 | peterS | nadir: and, ummm, apache2.2-modules should have installed lots of moudles, in /usr/lib/apache2/modules |
| 23:26.25 | Vasistha | gosh, that's ... not quite as polite as I'd like :P |
| 23:26.56 | nadir | peterS: oh damn, so it did |
| 23:27.18 | peterS | I mean apache2.2-common, not apache2.2-modules, of course (: |
| 23:27.28 | nadir | aye eyah :) |
| 23:27.56 | Octopssy | Okay well, one more question, I know it's not specifical a debian question, but in general: I want identd to work when being requested by external ip's that are not in my network. So, assume it runs on p113 on 192.168.0.2 - I added it in the main router where the inetcon comes in (10.0.0.138) as port fwd to wireless router 192.168.0.1 and that router forwards it to the box I want it to work on. Now it seems it isn't working at all, and the servers request |
| 23:28.04 | DiaboluZ | cafuego> well my smtp is also on localhost, but won't it still need auth if i have set it up to that, or will it always accept connections from localhost? |
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| 23:29.06 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: Depends on your smtpd setup, I use postfix and have 'permit_mynetworks' set. |
| 23:29.46 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: I'd be VERY surprised if 127.0.0.1 was blocked though by ANY smtpd. |
| 23:29.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm trying to allow a person to use SSH temporarily on my system, yet he gets connection refused whenever trying to connect to me. I have forwarded the port on the router... |
| 23:30.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 23:30.12 | cafuego | That would make filtering broken on quite a lot of them i expect |
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| 23:31.35 | nadir | what provides rewrite? |
| 23:31.42 | Vasistha | nadir: for what? |
| 23:31.48 | nadir | apache |
| 23:31.49 | nadir | sorry |
| 23:32.10 | nadir | nirvash:/etc/apache2# a2enmod rewrite |
| 23:32.11 | nadir | This module does not exist! |
| 23:32.12 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: are you sure you've also opened the port in your firewall? Also, have you tried an "easier" port forwarding test, e.g. port 80, and an apache test? |
| 23:32.22 | nadir | although i cant see it in atp-cache |
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| 23:32.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: I don't have a firewall, just a regular household router |
| 23:33.12 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: I meant the firewall on your debian box that you're trying to let your friend ssh into. |
| 23:33.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, I don't have one |
| 23:33.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Unless Debian autoenabled iptables |
| 23:34.52 | wide_awake | bye |
| 23:35.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: Any other ideas? |
| 23:35.24 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : Maybe your ISP blocks port 22 inbound. |
| 23:35.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: I use a custom IP |
| 23:36.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | port* |
| 23:36.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | In the 5xxxx range |
| 23:36.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Randomly selected. |
| 23:36.19 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 23:36.19 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:36.21 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Many isp's block ports < 1024 |
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| 23:36.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Not mine. |
| 23:36.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: and I should know, I work in their call centre. |
| 23:36.53 | pdbogen | And SSH is configured to listen on that port? |
| 23:36.56 | itchi | hehe |
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| 23:37.05 | Ronin | :) no comment |
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| 23:37.37 | dav__ | elo |
| 23:37.43 | dvs | bto |
| 23:37.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: If /etc/sshd_config is ssh's config file, yes |
| 23:38.15 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : Just to double-check, netstat -lnp --inet | grep <port #> shows ssh listening, yes? |
| 23:38.19 | dav__ | i v a strange problem i just configured a linux box to share a printer, it worked with windows, but i have another linux and no way to connect to the other box with smb ... what tool shld i use to connect to it easily ? |
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| 23:39.19 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Maybe want you to look from outside https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 |
| 23:39.24 | peterS | dav__: cups can do smb://... |
| 23:39.50 | peterS | dav__: or you can run a cups server on both linux boxes and use ipp://... |
| 23:39.55 | peterS | which is probably better |
| 23:40.13 | dav__ | yes but graphical soft don't work :( ( i mean KDE config etc..; don't find the smb server whereas with smbclient -L just_the_name i can see it) |
| 23:40.16 | peterS | in fact windows can do ipp as well, if it comes to that |
| 23:40.46 | soothsay | Suppose I want to maintain my own private set of patched packages. What is the best way to integrate them with the package management system? |
| 23:40.55 | dav__ | hum suposed it has been a windows server what have i done ? no i want to config it as a smb client :) |
| 23:41.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: No reply from netstat |
| 23:41.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: I thought shieldsup only did the first 1024 ports |
| 23:41.39 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: you can request it to do custom ports |
| 23:41.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ooh... I didn't see that before |
| 23:42.00 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : One of two things is going on, then; either you misinterpreted what I asked you to run, or SSH is not, in fact, listening. |
| 23:42.33 | cafuego | soothsay: Run your own repo (it's what I do) |
| 23:42.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: Well, I ran the command, replacing <port> with the port number |
| 23:42.53 | DiaboluZ | cafuego> works like a charm :) |
| 23:42.56 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: No, any, just specify a rang to scan |
| 23:43.09 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: eh? |
| 23:43.26 | DiaboluZ | cafuego> raoundcube :) |
| 23:43.30 | DiaboluZ | roundcube* |
| 23:43.33 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: ah, excellent :-) |
| 23:43.37 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: You need to look right, yeah, it's a bit weird his website, but it does good what he need to do :-) |
| 23:44.06 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : That's what I intended. |
| 23:44.06 | Coweater` | hi |
| 23:44.06 | DiaboluZ | cafuego> do you know if there are any nice templates for it out there or do i have to edit it myself? :) |
| 23:44.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Yeah, Steve Gibson is a genius, but has no sense of esthetics :) |
| 23:44.13 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: Dunno, I've just got a default installed. |
| 23:44.26 | DiaboluZ | cafuego> ok, i will have a look at it :) |
| 23:44.37 | Vasistha | soothsay: it turns out it's not all that difficult to configure a trivial repository |
| 23:44.49 | nadir | what provindes mod_authz_host ? for apache?> |
| 23:44.52 | Coweater` | secret |
| 23:45.23 | nadir | ahh go on |
| 23:45.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | On GRC: Status: Closed |
| 23:45.43 | soothsay | cafuego, Vasistha: Thanks I will look into it. |
| 23:45.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | weird.. I forwarded it on the router |
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| 23:47.20 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : Your computer isn't listening on the port. |
| 23:47.33 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : You configured SSH wrong, or failed to restart it, or didn't take into consideration some other config option. |
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| 23:47.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Do I need to reboot or something? |
| 23:47.40 | concept10 | !nmq |
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| 23:47.50 | pdbogen | You don't need to reboot, but you might need to restart the service. |
| 23:47.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: I restarted ssh several times |
| 23:48.05 | pdbogen | Then you configured it wrong. |
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| 23:48.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | There's only one port option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 23:48.37 | pdbogen | What is it set to? |
| 23:48.40 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: And on that default port, GRC says it's been open? |
| 23:48.57 | amphi | itchi: t3h gibs0n! |
| 23:49.06 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
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| 23:49.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Haven't tried it on the default port |
| 23:49.46 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Bah, should not matter, it should work on whatever port you say to run ssh on |
| 23:49.49 | pdbogen | Dark_Apostrophe : Also, putting the entire output of 'netstat -lnp --inet' might be helpful. |
| 23:49.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: I don't feel like it, either, I end up getting too many connections from random IPs |
| 23:49.55 | DiaboluZ | Hmmm if i would like to have a ftpd where i manage my users and their homedir etc in mysql - which should i go for? |
| 23:50.19 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: yup, or use denyhosts or whatever similar tool to avoid f* script kiddies |
| 23:50.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | whoa |
| 23:51.09 | drwahl | http://www.copycrime.eu/petition |
| 23:51.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | netstat -lnp --inet tells me ssh is listening on the wrong port |
| 23:51.18 | pdbogen | Heh. |
| 23:51.29 | pdbogen | Is there a 'ListenAddress' clause in your SSH config file? |
| 23:51.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I changed the config and restarted it |
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| 23:52.45 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Define "Port" |
| 23:52.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | TCP port |
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| 23:53.14 | pdbogen | itchi : A port is a coastal city where ships arrive from sea. :D |
| 23:53.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | As in, what HTTP uses on port 80 |
| 23:53.27 | itchi | pdbogen: :-p |
| 23:53.30 | pdbogen | itchi : Dark_Apostrophe is referring to the 'Port' directive in sshd_config, though. |
| 23:53.40 | itchi | pdbogen: yup, me too |
| 23:53.50 | itchi | Or may i have skip a line here above?? |
| 23:53.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can't find what you asked me to look for |
| 23:53.58 | pdbogen | But I'd like it if he would answer my question about the ListenAddress directive, though. |
| 23:54.02 | pdbogen | No ListenAddress? |
| 23:54.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Only Port |
| 23:54.10 | pdbogen | Well, that's okay. |
| 23:54.16 | itchi | Sorry, need food :-) brb |
| 23:54.17 | pdbogen | It might help us if you put your entire sshd_config in a pastebin. |
| 23:54.19 | pdbogen | ~pastebin |
| 23:54.22 | apt | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 23:54.27 | Vasistha | DiaboluZ: wait, what do you want to do, and why are you assuming the ftp is the way to do it? |
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| 23:56.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: http://paste.debian.net/26345 |
| 23:57.18 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Wrong config |
| 23:57.19 | pdbogen | ssh_config != sshd_config |
| 23:57.37 | pdbogen | There's your problem. :) |
| 23:57.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh shite |
| 23:57.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | My bad |
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| 23:57.53 | pdbogen | What you did was tell your ssh client to always try to connect on the indicated port, instead of 22. |
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| 23:59.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: Yeah, I figured that. |
| 23:59.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: Screwed by tab-completion :) |
| 23:59.34 | pdbogen | Happens. :) |
| 23:59.43 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Later, look for a 'ssh protector' ;-) |
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