| 00:00.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: ? |
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| 00:00.16 | catoblepa | hi |
| 00:00.37 | raf256_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.16 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: You need software the monitor you ssh (auth) log file and do some actions if someone did some bad attempts |
| 00:01.37 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Look to denyhosts maybe http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:02.45 | catoblepa | how I can rebulid a package's source-tree from the orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz? |
| 00:03.02 | pl0nk | test |
| 00:03.10 | itchi | pl0nk: Failed! |
| 00:03.33 | pl0nk | it there a way to get the machine to boot to just text console ? no graphics ? this is controlled in /etc/inittab right ? |
| 00:03.42 | itchi | catoblepa: Look on the new maintainers guide |
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| 00:03.45 | Vasistha | catoblepa: I've never actually done it, but I think what you have to do is unzip both, and use 'patch'. Of course, patch might work without unzipping first. man patch? |
| 00:03.50 | pdbogen | pl0nk : Temporarily or permanently? |
| 00:03.57 | pl0nk | permanent |
| 00:04.27 | pl0nk | I alread yedited the /etc/securetty to ensure that there exists a serial console ttyS0 console |
| 00:04.35 | itchi | pl0nk: yup |
| 00:04.39 | pl0nk | and I read the man page for getty |
| 00:04.41 | Vasistha | pl0nk: you can take the S99*dm entry out of your default runlevel, probably /etc/rc2.d |
| 00:04.47 | HYPOCRISY | sup |
| 00:04.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | pdbogen: He's still getting connection refused. And yes, I did restart sshd |
| 00:05.11 | pl0nk | Vasistha : is that the correct way to do it ? according to the manuals ? |
| 00:05.39 | Vasistha | pl0nk: well, if you want to go by the book, I suppose you could use update-rc.d but I've always found it easier to do it manually :P |
| 00:05.44 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Is the port now been open? |
| 00:06.09 | catoblepa | done with patch.. thanks itchi and Vasistha :) |
| 00:06.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: ? |
| 00:06.31 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: did you run netstat again to see if it's listening? |
| 00:06.32 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: What tells GRC about it now? or netstat |
| 00:06.44 | cafuego | I guess I had better go and buy some chicken carcasses. |
| 00:06.47 | pl0nk | I'm confused then .. I seem to have tough time getting this box to just boot to serial console only |
| 00:06.57 | pl0nk | could be my grub menu.lst also |
| 00:06.59 | pl0nk | not sure |
| 00:07.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Strange... it's not listening at all this time |
| 00:07.12 | pl0nk | in /etc/inittab I have S0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -i -L 9600 ttyS0 vt100 |
| 00:07.21 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Your behind a router? |
| 00:07.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 00:07.49 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: You need to forward the port then too |
| 00:07.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cheap D-Link home router |
| 00:07.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did |
| 00:08.16 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Probably a misconfigured router, i may tell |
| 00:08.23 | Vasistha | pl0nk: well, you can use grub to specify your runlevel at boot time, but it's probably better to just have the default runlevel set up, and make sure your default runlevel isn't starting the gui. Can you boot into rescue-mode (aka maintenance mode) properly? |
| 00:08.39 | nadir | q: im getting Invalid command 'Order', starting apache2, now i cant find the module which will fix this |
| 00:08.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: No, it's configured properly, I got ports open for other apps as well |
| 00:09.03 | nadir | apache say its called mod_authz_host |
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| 00:09.08 | nadir | but what provides that? |
| 00:09.09 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: netstat shows the port open? |
| 00:09.12 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 00:09.33 | itchi | Azar: Hello |
| 00:09.40 | Vasistha | Azar: I love that greeting, I might start imitating it (though of course I never do remember) |
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| 00:10.02 | Azar | Vasistha: the greeting is proprietary.. |
| 00:10.13 | Azar | trademarked ..etc.. |
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| 00:11.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nothing on netstat |
| 00:11.26 | pl0nk | Vasistha : sorry .. stepped away for a sec to futz with DEC terminal |
| 00:11.44 | pl0nk | Vasistha : what was the question ? rescue mode ? |
| 00:11.46 | Vasistha | Azar: that's alright, I'm not really worried you're going to sue me, I'll just violate your trademark ;-) |
| 00:11.55 | pl0nk | Vasistha : sorry .. I don't see *anything* |
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| 00:12.03 | Vasistha | pl0nk: ohh, you can't scroll up, huh? |
| 00:12.07 | pl0nk | Vasistha : it just boots blind .. no output anywhere |
| 00:12.24 | pl0nk | Vasistha : no .. this is a dumb term |
| 00:12.40 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Paste your config??. |
| 00:13.10 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Or test with the 'default' port. #Comment that Port line |
| 00:13.11 | Vasistha | pl0nk: oh, yow. now, this is starting to get above my head, but let's keep talking, hopefully some knowledgeable person will jump in. Anyway, so when you boot, is it starting a gui? Or can you just see nothing at all, and you have to just turn it off? |
| 00:13.37 | Vasistha | stoned: do you change your nick to reflect your .. state? :D |
| 00:13.43 | stoned | nah |
| 00:13.47 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I can login over the network .. but for boot up I never see anything |
| 00:13.49 | stoned | I am highly ADD |
| 00:13.55 | stoned | if that explains anything |
| 00:14.16 | Azar | hehe |
| 00:14.17 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I am going to remove the keyboard and mouse and then leave the DEC terminal in the serial port |
| 00:14.19 | Vasistha | pl0nk: ah, so you're not starting a gui; you just need to get the serial console working |
| 00:14.20 | Azar | stoned!!! |
| 00:14.27 | pl0nk | Vasistha : bingo |
| 00:14.33 | stoned | Vasistha: i havn't smoked anything in 2 months, besides 2 days when i was driving to nyc from okc |
| 00:14.40 | pl0nk | Vasistha : no graphics .. no nothing .. just pure server type machine |
| 00:14.42 | Vasistha | pl0nk: thus, all my prior recommendations should be thrown out the window! |
| 00:14.44 | stoned | i don't even consider that stoning |
| 00:14.47 | stoned | i been clean for a while |
| 00:14.51 | stoned | Azar: what up homie |
| 00:15.01 | pl0nk | Vasistha : no problem .. they were good suggestions |
| 00:15.04 | Azar | stoned, eh just back from work... irc-ing |
| 00:15.06 | DiaboluZ | Vasistha> i want to give different users acces to some folders (gonna host some pages for a couple of my friends for free) and would like to admin their users with mysql instead of havin a user in my system for each of them... |
| 00:15.19 | stoned | Azar: my back is killing me. it has for a while now |
| 00:15.26 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I have done this once beefore with a RHEL5 machine .. but that was on Opteron and with BIOS console redirection to tttya |
| 00:15.29 | stoned | Azar: i have no medical insurance or i'd go see the doctor |
| 00:15.34 | stoned | im in constant pain |
| 00:15.41 | Azar | stoned: you carried all that furniture on your back from okc to ny? |
| 00:15.46 | stoned | lol |
| 00:15.51 | itchi | DiaboluZ: s/folders/directory's/ |
| 00:16.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: http://paste.debian.net/26346 |
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| 00:16.02 | Vasistha | pl0nk: I'm wondering if there's a kernel param that you need to be passing. Have you looked down that alley? |
| 00:16.10 | rahul | I just made the most ghetto enchiladas |
| 00:16.10 | DiaboluZ | itchi>? |
| 00:16.16 | stoned | Azar: i might start working for geek squad |
| 00:16.18 | pl0nk | Vasistha : oooh .. damn .. you're right |
| 00:16.19 | itchi | DiaboluZ: What's a folder? |
| 00:16.19 | Azar | stoned: try get an electric pillow (that warms up) and stay on it few hours... if is going ok, you are ok |
| 00:16.21 | itchi | !folder |
| 00:16.21 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 00:16.24 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I recall that |
| 00:16.30 | Vasistha | DiaboluZ: well, without different user accounts, how will you distinguish them? |
| 00:16.34 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I better check the Debian manuals again |
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| 00:16.46 | Vasistha | pl0nk: heh, well, good luck... |
| 00:16.49 | itchi | DiaboluZ: No worry, wanted to say about that weird folder term :-p |
| 00:16.56 | stoned | i dont care if all i do is remove spyware |
| 00:16.56 | DiaboluZ | Vasistha> i want different user accounts - but i want them to be virtual users in a mysql ;) |
| 00:16.59 | Azar | stoned: I had back surgery 4 years ago.... from a fall from a soccer game |
| 00:17.01 | stoned | as long as it pays |
| 00:17.07 | DiaboluZ | itchi> haha ok :) |
| 00:17.18 | stoned | Azar: skatebord injuries here, and highschool football injuries |
| 00:17.20 | Vasistha | stoned: damn, man. I was about to suggest you go get a recommendation for medical marijuana, but then I realized you don't live in cali :P |
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| 00:17.35 | Azar | stoned: ouch, nasty |
| 00:17.36 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: I may #comment that ListenAddress, for test |
| 00:17.36 | rahul | stoned: when's the test? |
| 00:17.47 | stoned | rahul: man i don't even start for another 2 weeks |
| 00:17.51 | rahul | oh |
| 00:17.54 | stoned | rahul: they just had me sign some stuff |
| 00:17.55 | rahul | you suck |
| 00:17.57 | Azar | well well well... why am I not surprised, mister rahul, hi |
| 00:17.58 | stoned | i don't think i'll have to take one |
| 00:18.04 | rahul | heh |
| 00:18.04 | stoned | and i can't go 2 weeks witout work or money |
| 00:18.08 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: But first try all localy heh, cause it's a local trouble |
| 00:18.10 | stoned | thats why im applying at geeksquad |
| 00:18.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: I'll try that, but I gotta go now. Thanks for your help. |
| 00:18.18 | stoned | more than likely i'll get hired |
| 00:18.21 | rahul | yeah |
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| 00:18.29 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: No probs, your welcome :-) |
| 00:18.40 | Azar | stoned: go fix some vista, man |
| 00:18.41 | Vasistha | DiaboluZ: so you want to create shell accounts (though you won't be giving ssh access, just ftp, or *hopefully* sftp) ... uhm, what would the mysql be for? |
| 00:18.53 | stoned | btw, GS does support unix/linux on the business side |
| 00:19.00 | stoned | enterprise level support |
| 00:19.02 | rahul | dang these enchiladas are salty |
| 00:19.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Talk tomorrow or something, k? :) |
| 00:19.12 | stoned | the manager told me that i might actually get hired for it |
| 00:19.18 | stoned | because of my qualifications |
| 00:19.34 | rahul | nice |
| 00:19.35 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm mostly always here, people too :-) |
| 00:19.37 | DiaboluZ | Vasistha> no i want to avoid shell accounts... i only want to have users in a mysql... virtual... just as i have my mailboxes virtual in a mysql... |
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| 00:20.01 | stoned | rahul: i gave up on kde |
| 00:20.06 | rahul | stoned: parmesan cheese tastes kinda strange on enchiladas, in case you were wondering |
| 00:20.09 | rahul | good man |
| 00:20.13 | rahul | haha |
| 00:20.15 | stoned | rahul: i just got sick of it man |
| 00:20.15 | Azar | hehe someone from O'Reilly site gives kudos to Debian Etch upgrade : http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/04/debian_etch.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Debian+etch |
| 00:20.25 | stoned | rahul: plus people in kde kicked me for saying "fuck" |
| 00:20.29 | stoned | i said this is fucking stupid |
| 00:20.36 | rahul | haha |
| 00:20.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Ditto, though I don't usually pay attention to the channel, just idle |
| 00:20.55 | stoned | then i modified the xfdesktop/src/main.c source and patched it to make the desktop work like kde |
| 00:21.00 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Yeah, busy heh ;-) |
| 00:21.01 | rahul | oof I need something non-salty to drink |
| 00:21.01 | stoned | now i am with xfce again |
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| 00:21.18 | rahul | good thing this is spicy so I'm sweating out a good bucket or two of salt |
| 00:21.19 | stoned | now i got a few more source files to edit and modify |
| 00:21.27 | stoned | then xfce would be to my liking |
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| 00:21.41 | stoned | its very well coded btw |
| 00:21.45 | stoned | i like xfce |
| 00:21.55 | Azar | stoned: what language? |
| 00:21.57 | stoned | C |
| 00:22.05 | Azar | C, or C++ ? |
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| 00:22.09 | stoned | Ansi C |
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| 00:22.17 | stoned | some classes too |
| 00:22.19 | stoned | hints of C++ |
| 00:22.24 | Azar | nice, C is allways neat |
| 00:22.27 | stoned | indeed |
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| 00:22.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: That, and paying attention to such a large channel over longer periods of time is headache-inducing. :) |
| 00:22.34 | Nemoder | xfce uses gtk2 doesn't it? |
| 00:22.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Night :) |
| 00:22.40 | stoned | yes, for the toolkit |
| 00:22.46 | stoned | i don't know much about xfce development |
| 00:22.46 | buu | What do I need to do to enable X forwarding? I've tried turning on X11 Forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/ssh/ssh_config .. |
| 00:22.48 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: Sleep very well ;-) |
| 00:22.58 | mlowe | the best programs in the world are written in teco ! |
| 00:23.07 | rahul | TECO! |
| 00:23.11 | Azar | so how is going mister itchi? nice to see you again around |
| 00:23.17 | itchi | heh, never heard about it :-) |
| 00:23.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Thanks, you too, when you go to bed |
| 00:23.38 | rahul | well, I dunno. what about pl/1? |
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| 00:23.59 | mlowe | apl is fun 2 |
| 00:24.03 | rahul | heh |
| 00:24.06 | Azar | C++ is the unbutu branch of C :) |
| 00:24.06 | mhall_ | anybody else having a problem with debian-unofficial? |
| 00:24.20 | stoned | heh |
| 00:24.23 | itchi | Azar: Good good heh ;-) Wife is awaiting a kid, it's for the next month. Kinda busy now :-s |
| 00:24.33 | itchi | Azar: And you? Heh, long time ago |
| 00:24.35 | Vasistha | buu: I've seen people recommend sshx, although I'm not sure if it's appropriate for you |
| 00:24.40 | stoned | itchi: damn nigg your boys have been busy |
| 00:24.45 | Enverex | mhall, Is that a repo? If so what is the website for it? |
| 00:24.49 | stoned | itchi: congradulations |
| 00:24.50 | Azar | itchi: oh man congrats! me? working overtime lately.. |
| 00:24.52 | Vasistha | buu: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 00:24.59 | itchi | Thanks :-) |
| 00:25.11 | stoned | itchi: name your kid after me |
| 00:25.16 | stoned | Stoned first name |
| 00:25.18 | stoned | hahaha |
| 00:25.24 | itchi | nah :-p |
| 00:25.32 | stoned | well i was born as Hash C. Borger |
| 00:25.34 | mhall_ | Enverex: debian-unofficial.org |
| 00:25.38 | stoned | my legal name is different |
| 00:25.46 | stoned | you can name your kid Hash |
| 00:25.47 | itchi | hehe |
| 00:25.50 | stoned | hehehe |
| 00:26.00 | Enverex | mhall, yeah, doesn't load for me |
| 00:26.12 | itchi | stoned: Anyway, it's too late, we already choiced :-) |
| 00:26.21 | stoned | itchi: what did you decide on? |
| 00:26.22 | mlowe | i called my cats, canabus, and sariva |
| 00:26.26 | stoned | itchi: girl or boy? |
| 00:26.30 | mlowe | satrivea |
| 00:26.40 | mhall_ | Enverex: @#$% |
| 00:26.46 | stoned | i had a cat and a dog |
| 00:26.51 | itchi | stoned: Boy, 'Elias' we gona call him |
| 00:26.52 | stoned | i name my dog cat, and my cat was named dog |
| 00:26.55 | stoned | confused the fuck outta my friends |
| 00:26.56 | stoned | :) |
| 00:26.58 | itchi | stoned: My first one |
| 00:27.00 | mhall_ | stoned: surely you troll? |
| 00:27.03 | stoned | itchi: nice nice |
| 00:27.09 | stoned | mhall_: huh? |
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| 00:27.16 | itchi | Yeah, we gona On Topic agian :-p |
| 00:27.21 | mhall_ | stoned: you wouldn't *really* do it would you? |
| 00:27.23 | Coweater` | sup |
| 00:27.30 | stoned | mhall_: me troll? never once in 7 years |
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| 00:27.38 | stoned | EVER |
| 00:27.41 | Vasistha | ot? yes. troll? probably not. |
| 00:27.44 | xjunior | what is the default MTA in debian? |
| 00:27.47 | stoned | major ot |
| 00:27.49 | stoned | i agree |
| 00:27.49 | Coweater` | out of interest |
| 00:27.50 | stoned | :) |
| 00:27.55 | stoned | exim4 |
| 00:27.59 | xjunior | thanks :D |
| 00:28.02 | stoned | sure |
| 00:28.03 | rahul | xjunior: you can install whichever one you want |
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| 00:28.27 | rahul | exim will be installed if you don't choose a different one, but it's a very weak default |
| 00:28.27 | stoned | exim is nice |
| 00:28.33 | stoned | rahul: why don't you install sendmail |
| 00:28.34 | stoned | :) |
| 00:28.37 | Amarande | hmm, is it possible to configure exim4 to smarthost with a port 587 rather than 25 host? |
| 00:28.55 | stoned | yes it is |
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| 00:29.07 | stoned | port 25 is usually blocked by a bunch of isps too cuz of windows worms |
| 00:29.23 | stoned | they want to limit the propagation |
| 00:29.24 | Azar | I asked my isp to block my 25 |
| 00:29.31 | itchi | Amarande: Most isp's block < 1024 |
| 00:29.36 | Amarande | though I think any ISP that does would get completely boycotted |
| 00:29.38 | Amarande | I mean, outbound 587 |
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| 00:30.07 | rahul | stoned: I do have sendmail on this box |
| 00:30.46 | Nippa | Does anyone know what version of Qt etch comes with? |
| 00:30.52 | buu | Vasistha: It's so not working =[ |
| 00:31.12 | rahul | Nippa: packages.debian.org does |
| 00:31.38 | nn-laptop2 | itch, Why |
| 00:31.39 | Nippa | rahul: thanks, I was looking for a list like that |
| 00:31.47 | Azar | stoned: I been alcoholl free for the past 3 weeks, you buzzers |
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| 00:31.55 | nn-laptop2 | itch, verison home didnt |
| 00:32.05 | rahul | I have been alcohol-free for the past 3 days |
| 00:32.15 | nn-laptop2 | now i got static high speed |
| 00:32.20 | Azar | rahul: yah see you when you are on antibiotics like me |
| 00:32.24 | rahul | heh |
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| 00:32.42 | itchi | nn-laptop2: Do you try to talk to me? |
| 00:32.46 | buu | Argh. |
| 00:32.50 | buu | The instructions are so simple. |
| 00:32.54 | buu | What could be going wrong? |
| 00:32.56 | udos | is it moo time? |
| 00:32.58 | nn-laptop2 | itchi, y |
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| 00:33.08 | Enverex | Are Ubuntu packages generally ahead of Debian ones? (despite the fact that most of them are based off Debian packages) |
| 00:33.14 | Azar | I was waiting for abrotman to do the moo thing |
| 00:33.17 | itchi | nn-laptop2: Porst > 1024 are reserved ports for system tasks |
| 00:33.22 | itchi | oeps < |
| 00:33.24 | abrotman | Azar: peterS will yell at me |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | Enverex: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:33.40 | nn-laptop2 | abrotman, lol |
| 00:33.46 | Azar | aw mister peterS... think for 10 min that it is Sunday |
| 00:33.46 | Enverex | abrotman, They'd tell me to ask here, lol |
| 00:33.52 | abrotman | Enverex: not likely |
| 00:33.52 | nn-laptop2 | abrotman, what moo theing |
| 00:33.56 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:33.56 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:34.02 | Azar | :) thanks |
| 00:34.02 | Maarten | moo: os: Microsoft® Windows Vista™ Ultimate - (6.0.6000) up: 1day 23hrs 1min 57secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz at 2401MHz (3% Load) gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x7280) 256MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: -874/0MB (0%) hdd: C:\ 57.65GB/100.21GB Free D:\ 71.68GB/132.67GB Free E:\ 88.67GB/200.65GB Free P:\ 29.07GB/32.23GB Free net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC [NDIS |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | Maarten: please turn that off |
| 00:34.16 | Azar | oops who is that? |
| 00:34.20 | Amarande | rahul, why use Alcohol when you can just loopback mount cd images in linux anyway ;) |
| 00:34.29 | Dave2 | wow, -874MB RAM |
| 00:34.41 | itchi | Maarten: You not listen when people say to turn that f* stupid thing off! |
| 00:34.42 | Azar | and I bet is still going slow |
| 00:34.44 | Enverex | They weren't kidding about Vista eating RAM eh |
| 00:34.58 | Amarande | which Radeon is 0x7280, anyway? |
| 00:34.58 | buu | Yy! |
| 00:35.19 | buu | Heh |
| 00:35.27 | buu | I think that's the only thing he's said in thsi channel |
| 00:36.42 | nn-laptop2 | Maarten, Please Vista is junk compared to debian |
| 00:37.16 | yetifoot | but its called ultimate, it must be good |
| 00:37.41 | zenit | ultimate crap |
| 00:38.11 | nn-laptop2 | yetifoot, Please it has appslootly no originality and killes your cpu |
| 00:38.11 | Amarande | Enverex: Ubuntu is pretty much Sid that's been tweaked and stabilized to be usable as a reasonable desktop OS. |
| 00:38.15 | itchi | Maarten: Turn that thing off or you may be banned for a such stupid thing |
| 00:38.18 | Amarande | At least that's what I understand. |
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| 00:38.27 | Amarande | So it'd be ahead of etch or lenny, yes. |
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| 00:38.38 | rahul | Amarande: not necessarily |
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| 00:38.48 | rahul | it's old unstable packages tweaked |
| 00:39.19 | Amarande | Maarten, if you're going to have an OS info script, it should give a short and sweet output instead of that. |
| 00:39.20 | Amarande | Like this. |
| 00:39.22 | Amarande | Linux alviarin 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:40.03 | zinx | Amarande: but that doesn't tell me how much you overclocked your ueberexpensive CPU or how much excess ram you have or how much excess hard drive space you have or how many SLI'd video cards you managed to fit in your box, etc etc |
| 00:40.13 | Amarande | hey, speaking of SLI |
| 00:40.17 | Amarande | where in Light's name do I enable it? |
| 00:40.20 | rahul | wtf did I put in these enchiladas that was so salty? |
| 00:40.25 | Dave2 | making your system unstable is like a collection of minigames |
| 00:40.26 | pl0nk | I return .. having made progress |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | rahul: salt |
| 00:40.40 | zinx | Amarande: i believe it's autodetected with nVidia's drivers, not certain. it's not available for ATI cards at the moment. |
| 00:40.49 | Enverex | hmmm, I can't decide on whether to use an amd64 distro or i386. AMD64 just seems to bring incompatabilities these days :/ |
| 00:40.49 | Amarande | I installed nvidia-settings and there doesn't seem to be a specific option to enable SLI |
| 00:40.51 | rahul | nuts, too |
| 00:40.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:40.56 | Amarande | It does only show there as being one video card, though |
| 00:41.04 | Dave2 | I thought you were going for butt. |
| 00:41.07 | zinx | Amarande: check the logs (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
| 00:41.09 | Dave2 | hm, maybe I should rephrase that. |
| 00:41.22 | rahul | UNsalted nuts, too! |
| 00:41.32 | zinx | Enverex: if you want flash, i386. otherwise, amd64 should be fine. |
| 00:41.50 | rahul | kicking someone in the arse doesn't hurt enough |
| 00:42.01 | Dave2 | this is true. |
| 00:43.16 | rahul | hmm, speaking of going for butt |
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| 00:43.37 | Amarande | zinx, I see no SLI, and a mention of 'no device entry for' something |
| 00:43.47 | Amarande | do you need to explicitly mention both video cards in xorg.conf to get SLI? |
| 00:44.00 | itchi | rahul: Nah you know, windows is not that great :-p |
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| 00:44.11 | rahul | doh |
| 00:44.23 | rahul | that's what I've been doing wrong |
| 00:44.29 | sixtymhz_ | When does debian normally do updates? |
| 00:44.33 | zinx | Amarande: no idea, check the nVidia README |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | updates to what ? |
| 00:44.50 | Vasistha | buu: I gather you got it working, then? |
| 00:44.54 | rahul | sixtymhz_: when it is deemed necessary or worthwhile |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: updates to what ? |
| 00:45.05 | stoned | abrotman: have you heard the latest news? |
| 00:45.11 | stoned | abrotman: I stopped using kde. |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | stoned: you got laid? |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | stoned: did tarzeau convert you? :) |
| 00:45.26 | itchi | stoned: oooh, finally using fluxbox? :-) |
| 00:45.27 | stoned | no |
| 00:45.28 | buu | Vasistha: Yeah |
| 00:45.30 | stoned | I just got sick of it |
| 00:45.34 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: Ive been using it for over a week, and normally, like ubuntu >_<, there are patches out the next day. So I didnt know how the bug fixes, etc.. were coming along. |
| 00:45.39 | buu | Vasistha: I couldn't get it to automatically set my DISPLAY, but doing it manually worked. |
| 00:45.46 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: you're using etch? |
| 00:45.48 | buu | Vasistha: Didn't solve my ultimate problem though =[ |
| 00:45.51 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: aye. |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: it will get RC and security fixes mostly |
| 00:46.03 | stoned | about me getting laid, man i been with the same chic for 20 years.. i've gotten laid more than you think |
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| 00:46.15 | Vasistha | buu: neato. Well, I'll keep that sshx thing in mind in case I ever decide I want to try it myself! What's the ultimate prob? |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: security comes as needed .. RC comes in point releases |
| 00:46.17 | stoned | which is none of your business anyway |
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| 00:46.24 | pl0nk | for anyone that is interested .. the issue with a serial console was in the grub menu.lst primarily .. kernel options needed console=ttyS0,9600 |
| 00:46.25 | abrotman | stoned: sex is that good when you're 7 eh? :) |
| 00:46.31 | stoned | ugh |
| 00:46.32 | stoned | sicko |
| 00:46.33 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: I think thats why I am going to stick with etch on my laptop. |
| 00:46.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:46.37 | stoned | :) |
| 00:46.40 | StyXman | hi all. is there a way to calculate the whole dependencies of a package? I mean the whole tree |
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| 00:46.43 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: so it won't get that many updates ... |
| 00:46.44 | rahul | heh |
| 00:46.46 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: Im really tired of 6month release cycles. |
| 00:46.47 | buu | Vasistha: I'm trying to access a sambashare over a firewall |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: you should be subscribed the security announce list |
| 00:46.53 | rahul | stoned: you're the one who was having sex at 7! |
| 00:46.54 | Vasistha | StyXman: check out the package, apt-rdepends |
| 00:46.58 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: or get the RSS feed for it |
| 00:47.00 | stoned | no |
| 00:47.05 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: ahh, good idea. |
| 00:47.05 | stoned | thats a damndable lie |
| 00:47.09 | stoned | 12 |
| 00:47.13 | stoned | zip it. |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: see security.debian.org for info |
| 00:47.20 | dexomsrc | I've got XviD video files with two MP3 audio streams. I'd like to remove the first audio stream entirely while keeping the second without recompressing either the video or audio at all. How? |
| 00:47.22 | StyXman | Vasistha: k |
| 00:47.27 | Vasistha | buu: interesting problem, there. Do you have any idea if the firewall allows such access? |
| 00:47.29 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: Like I said, im just happy to know I dont have to download 300mb+ worth of updates :) |
| 00:47.31 | pl0nk | is there a peterS around ? |
| 00:47.43 | stoned | pl0nk: why? |
| 00:47.47 | pl0nk | !seen peterS |
| 00:47.48 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 31s, last said: 'in fact windows can do ipp as well, if it comes to that'. |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: the point releases can be large-ish .. but not awful |
| 00:47.59 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: Will they stick with the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 00:48.03 | pl0nk | because he is a guru |
| 00:48.12 | pl0nk | and .. at least one other reason |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: my understanding is that there will be an updated kernel sometime during the lifetime of etch |
| 00:48.18 | pl0nk | which I will get to at some later time |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | pl0nk: just ask all of us |
| 00:48.27 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: ah. |
| 00:48.35 | pl0nk | okay .. well .. |
| 00:48.45 | Vasistha | abrotman: as in, e.g., 2.6.2[08]? |
| 00:48.51 | Vasistha | missed a '-' |
| 00:48.53 | Amarande | sixtymhz_, you don't normally upgrade the kernel on linux unless there's a serious problem demanding you do so |
| 00:49.00 | pl0nk | I am about to reboot again and I am not sure yet how to ensure that my menu.lst in /boot/grub is being respected |
| 00:49.07 | pl0nk | its a bit of a risk .. |
| 00:49.08 | Amarande | or if there's a major userspace software change that requires it |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: though i don't actually know when (and i'm not sure there's a defined date) |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | Vasistha: something like that |
| 00:49.19 | Amarande | upgrading a kernel is something you do because you need to, not just because one is out |
| 00:49.25 | buu | Vasistha: Not really.. I've tried port forwarding, I've tried dmz stuff.. |
| 00:49.29 | Vasistha | pl0nk: it should be. plenty of us can answer that, you don't need to ask one person in particular ;) |
| 00:49.31 | buu | I'm not sure what else to try. |
| 00:49.35 | squisher | pl0nk: not a risk, because the grub console can always be used to boot the correct thing |
| 00:49.38 | pl0nk | can I just type "reboot" or "shutdown -t0 -r "now" ? |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | sixtymhz_: however .. i also understand again that they will continue to support the 2.6.18 with security patches if needed |
| 00:49.47 | Amarande | I've heard of systems that have had years of uptime and still run 2.2 |
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| 00:50.16 | Vasistha | pl0nk: it ought to work fine. Just make sure that the one you want is the default. You can pastebin your menu.lst if you want to be sure. |
| 00:50.22 | itchi | pl0nk: Just ask and cross your fingers ;-) |
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| 00:50.53 | pl0nk | oooh |
| 00:51.06 | pl0nk | my terminal console .. its .. working .. |
| 00:51.11 | pl0nk | Restarting system. |
| 00:51.16 | sixtymhz_ | abrotman: Thanks for the information. |
| 00:51.18 | pl0nk | Press any key to continue. |
| 00:51.22 | pl0nk | oh crap .. |
| 00:51.47 | pl0nk | GNU GRUB version 0.97 its on the ttya |
| 00:51.49 | pl0nk | cool |
| 00:51.57 | pl0nk | my serial console .. its working |
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| 00:52.24 | Vasistha | pl0nk: nice, man, glad to hear it. |
| 00:52.34 | pl0nk | ooh .. this is what I wanted .. |
| 00:52.46 | pl0nk | now I just need to see if it will present a login: prompt |
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| 00:53.11 | pl0nk | ya know .. I like debian ! |
| 00:53.19 | Vasistha | yeah, a lot of us do |
| 00:53.34 | pl0nk | no .. I mean .. I like it enough to put it into production |
| 00:53.41 | abrotman | so do we :) |
| 00:53.46 | Vasistha | heh, I could repeat what I said |
| 00:53.46 | pl0nk | oops |
| 00:53.52 | abrotman | pl0nk: wait .. what do you use now ? |
| 00:54.01 | pl0nk | uh oh .. no login prompt |
| 00:54.09 | pl0nk | *sigh* |
| 00:54.14 | pl0nk | back to the manuals for me |
| 00:54.22 | Vasistha | did it show you all of the bootup messages? |
| 00:54.32 | pl0nk | yep .. everything |
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| 00:54.38 | pl0nk | well .. I assume everything |
| 00:54.51 | pl0nk | truth is .. I am not certian what all messages would be but there were a ton |
| 00:54.52 | Vasistha | maybe it was unable to detect the input console. |
| 00:55.08 | pl0nk | I think I may have borked up /etc/securetty |
| 00:55.15 | pl0nk | or the /etc/inittab |
| 00:55.21 | pl0nk | must be one of them |
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| 00:56.07 | raf256_ | how to tell apt explicity to use 127.0.0.1:8080 proxy? |
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| 00:57.28 | Enverex | Damnit, when will Debian get their act together and implement multiarch :/ |
| 00:57.31 | Vasistha | pl0nk: well, maybe; or it might just be that you need to tweak the kernel params so that it sees your input device as well as the output. What it's doing right now is consistent (I believe) with only finding an output device, and no input device |
| 00:57.34 | cafuego | add it in /etc/apt/apt.conf ( I think) |
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| 00:58.36 | sixtymhz_ | Would be nice to have a 64bit :) |
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| 00:58.47 | raf256_ | cafuego: dont see such optiojn |
| 00:59.21 | Vasistha | cafuego: it probably needs to be added. man apt.conf? |
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| 01:00.00 | cafuego | yah |
| 01:00.25 | raf256_ | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/177 |
| 01:00.34 | cafuego | Set "http::Proxy" to whatever the proxy is. |
| 01:00.44 | raf256_ | yeah just found it |
| 01:01.25 | raf256_ | didnt worked |
| 01:01.58 | cafuego | If you added the proxy properly, it will have worked. Ergo, you didn't add it properly. |
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| 01:02.35 | nadir | nirvash:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# apt-get install libapache2-mod-proxy-html |
| 01:02.43 | nadir | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.43 | nadir | authz_host.load env.load mime.load ruby.load |
| 01:02.47 | nadir | how come its not there |
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| 01:02.51 | nadir | after installing it? |
| 01:02.53 | Guerin | raf256_: export http_proxy=http://badgers.com:6969/ |
| 01:03.14 | Guerin | nadir: depends what 'it' is |
| 01:03.21 | nadir | its an apace module |
| 01:03.25 | raf256_ | ok it works now, the apt.conf way |
| 01:03.28 | nadir | im having troube installing apche modules |
| 01:03.40 | nadir | Guerin: thats my sir name :) |
| 01:03.42 | Guerin | nadir: a2enmod? |
| 01:03.49 | stoned | anyone speak norwegian? |
| 01:03.54 | stoned | nm |
| 01:03.56 | raf256_ | cafuego: I added it properly but the FTP address was bad anyway |
| 01:03.57 | Guerin | stoned: lots of people in norway |
| 01:04.03 | nadir | Guerin: yous ee its not even installed |
| 01:04.05 | cafuego | nadir: You need to enable it. |
| 01:04.08 | nadir | so i cant enmod it |
| 01:04.13 | stoned | Guerin: really? you gotta be jokin |
| 01:04.22 | cafuego | raf256_: See also apt-cacher |
| 01:04.27 | raf256_ | stoned: no, you are the last person on Earth |
| 01:04.27 | nadir | the problem is that the modules are not isntalling |
| 01:04.39 | cafuego | raf256_: Note that FTP sources require ftp::Proxy |
| 01:04.39 | Guerin | nadir: that doesn't seem so to me |
| 01:04.53 | raf256_ | cafuego: I thought I can anyhow use a real proxy |
| 01:04.55 | Guerin | nadir: what error when you try to enable it? |
| 01:05.01 | raf256_ | cafuego: yeap but I use http:// acttually |
| 01:05.09 | cafuego | raf256_: Just make sure squid is set to store LARGE files. |
| 01:05.19 | nadir | Guerin: This module does not exist! |
| 01:05.23 | raf256_ | now I wonder how to import 10 GB of data from apt-proxy into squid :( |
| 01:05.23 | DiaboluZ | Got a problem with my proftpd - it closes the connection imediatly when i try to connect, and the log just says FTP session closed - any ideas? :) |
| 01:05.33 | raf256_ | cafuego: how large? 50 mb? |
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| 01:05.47 | cafuego | raf256_: How large is the largest .deb you have installed? |
| 01:05.50 | Regnad | Does anybody see anything wrong with this udev rule? ... |
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| 01:05.58 | Regnad | SUBSYSTEMS=="sda", ATTRS{serial}=="AB00090000010063", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/mjs_udev_test.sh" |
| 01:06.06 | raf256_ | DiaboluZ: try increasing log level in /etc/proftpd restard and then check logs |
| 01:06.14 | nadir | a2enmod mod-rewrite |
| 01:06.14 | nadir | This module does not exist! |
| 01:06.17 | cafuego | Regnad: Yeah, sda is not normally a subsystem I would think |
| 01:06.18 | raf256_ | cafuego: no idea. how large is the larger .deb existing? 100 mb? |
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| 01:06.24 | cafuego | Regnad: Shoudlnt that be "scsi" ? |
| 01:06.36 | nadir | a2enmod mod-proxy |
| 01:06.36 | nadir | This module does not exist! |
| 01:06.37 | nadir | etc |
| 01:06.40 | Regnad | cafuego - I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:06.44 | cafuego | raf256_: Why says you've got the largest deb ever installed or would want to? |
| 01:06.50 | nadir | becuase they arnt in /etc/apache2/mods-available |
| 01:06.53 | DiaboluZ | raf256_> increase the log level to what? :) how much |
| 01:06.56 | nadir | its jsut all messed up |
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| 01:08.07 | cafuego | raf256_: To be honest, I'd use apt-cacher (squid won't expire old packages from the cache when they're superseded) |
| 01:08.15 | Mosi | I'm building myself a desktop sometime in the near future, and I'm trying to plan what hardware I'm going to want. Does anyone here use Debian on AMD64? Are there any known problems? What are the prospects for support in the future? |
| 01:08.30 | cafuego | raf256_: it's a perl cgi for apache and works perfectly fine. |
| 01:08.47 | cafuego | Mosi: I run an amd64 desktop as of last week. |
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| 01:09.09 | Mosi | cafuego: How do you like it? |
| 01:09.23 | cafuego | Mosi: The last remaining issue I have is that I need to rebuild ffmpeg with x264 support, so I can convert video without a chroot. |
| 01:09.33 | nadir | ok so |
| 01:09.36 | nadir | i do this |
| 01:09.40 | nadir | #apt-get install libapache2-mod-proxy-html |
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| 01:09.41 | nadir | #a2enmod proxy_html |
| 01:09.44 | yetifoot | Mosi, i've helped a few people on AMD64 debian, its mostly OK, a few bugs still, and some packages aren't yet in stable like they are for i386, but mostly it seems good |
| 01:09.45 | nadir | This module does not exist! |
| 01:09.46 | Mosi | cafuego: sounds like you're got it pretty much worked out then |
| 01:09.47 | nadir | why? |
| 01:09.51 | cafuego | Mosi: it's fine. Once `secondlife' and google earth run under it without chroot I'll be happy. |
| 01:10.00 | Vasistha | Mosi: the only limitations I know are wrt availability of certain software, esp. proprietary stuff (like adobe's nonfree flash player) |
| 01:10.01 | nadir | drop the # obviouslt |
| 01:10.18 | cafuego | Vasistha: nspluginwrapepr sorts that easily. |
| 01:10.31 | Mosi | vasistha: what kinds of third party flash support is available? |
| 01:10.34 | Ankman | d'oh |
| 01:10.41 | cafuego | Vasistha: And there is a jre1.4.2 64bit ff plugin now. |
| 01:10.48 | Vasistha | Mosi: better ask cafuego ;) |
| 01:10.50 | markybob | Mosi: you can use adobe flash with nspluginwrapper without a problem |
| 01:10.53 | Mosi | lol |
| 01:11.14 | markybob | Mosi: /msg dpkg nspluginwrapper for etch packages |
| 01:11.14 | cafuego | Mosi: All sites that work for my using 32bit works using 64bit now. |
| 01:11.29 | Vasistha | I wonder, what about w32codecs? |
| 01:11.38 | Mosi | cafuego: 64 bit chips use x86-64 arch, which by and large won't work for standard x86 binaries. true? |
| 01:11.55 | Regnad | cafuego: Nah, SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi" didn't help. Any restrictions on what can go in "RUN+=" |
| 01:12.03 | cafuego | Mosi: You can run a 32bit userspace in a chroot without *any* problems. |
| 01:12.13 | yetifoot | Vasistha, you can get some of them i believe from the debian multimedia repos |
| 01:12.14 | cafuego | Regnad: ANy executable file to the best of my knowledge |
| 01:12.38 | cafuego | Mosi: I use vlc for my media playing needs |
| 01:12.51 | Mosi | cafuego: cool. Can I expect that within the next few years 64 bit binaries will become more the standard, or will 32 bit processors be around for a while still? |
| 01:12.53 | cafuego | Mosi: Dunno what mplayer thinks it has to have, but everything I play works fine. |
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| 01:13.10 | cafuego | Mosi: 32bit binaries will be around for a looooooooong time. |
| 01:13.21 | Vasistha | I wonder if someone has created an emulator of 16-bit ms-dos ... I've got this old program, for which I've lost the source :P |
| 01:13.30 | yetifoot | Vasistha, dosbox ? |
| 01:13.39 | Vasistha | yetifoot: wow, I will check that out! |
| 01:13.48 | Ankman | may be bochs too |
| 01:14.15 | nadir | i think my apt rep is kinda screwed |
| 01:14.16 | yetifoot | i find qemu a little faster than bochs, with the kernel module, but results may vary |
| 01:14.21 | nadir | is there nay way to rebuild t |
| 01:14.21 | nadir | ? |
| 01:14.46 | Guerin | nadir: no. |
| 01:14.54 | nadir | ok |
| 01:14.56 | Mosi | cafuego: I don't know a whole lot about arch and binary technicals, but I had a 6 month headache last time i tried to go primarily linux, which was trying to run Ubuntu on PPC. The base ssytem worked fine, but trying to install anything from other sources was a royal pain in the behind. It sounds like I can expect x86-64 to be easier, true? |
| 01:15.02 | Guerin | nadir: just delete your sources.list and replace it with one which is debroken |
| 01:15.38 | Guerin | Mosi: yes and no. If you run 32-bit, it'll be rosy. If you run 64-bit, it might hurt. |
| 01:15.40 | sixtymhz_ | is there even x86_64 for debian or just amd64 |
| 01:15.47 | Guerin | sixtymhz_: same/same |
| 01:15.59 | sixtymhz_ | Guerin: so it will work on my intel? |
| 01:16.03 | Guerin | sixtymhz_: yes. |
| 01:16.05 | sixtymhz_ | Nice. |
| 01:16.08 | Guerin | well |
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| 01:16.12 | Guerin | i dunno about YOURs |
| 01:16.15 | Guerin | but in general, yes |
| 01:16.20 | Mosi | Guerin: I would have the same problems if i tried to run a 64 bit Intel processor, right? |
| 01:16.26 | sixtymhz_ | well it better. if it doesnt, you are responsible. |
| 01:16.29 | sixtymhz_ | :-D |
| 01:16.31 | dspDrew | if a vhost is configured to require a password can I over ride that with an htaccess file? |
| 01:16.43 | abrotman | Guerin: are you shaking ? |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | Mosi: the problem is 64-bit v 32-bit, yes. |
| 01:16.48 | Enverex | 64bit is a waste of time, the speed improvement is non-existant and you'll keep finding packages that are 32bit and not 64 |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | dspDrew: ask #apache |
| 01:16.56 | Guerin | abrotman: not apparently |
| 01:17.09 | dspDrew | did that |
| 01:17.15 | dspDrew | I think everybody died in there |
| 01:17.17 | Mosi | Enverex: Yes, but AMD64 processors are dirt cheap :) |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | dspDrew: they're slow .. just wait a bit |
| 01:17.24 | Guerin | dspDrew: ask httpd.apache.org |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | dspDrew: or uhm .. try it ? |
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| 01:17.35 | Vasistha | Ankman, yetifoot : I believe I'm actually looking for 16-bit, looks like bochs is 32 bit |
| 01:17.42 | Enverex | Mosi, I meant using a 64bit distro over 32 |
| 01:17.52 | Enverex | It wouldn't be a problem if they'd ever implemented multiarch |
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| 01:18.17 | Guerin | as it is, they just made it a b-arch |
| 01:18.28 | dspDrew | abrotman: yeah Im in there all the time.. but usually nobody will stop talking for 2 seconds |
| 01:18.31 | Enverex | B-Arch? |
| 01:18.33 | yigal | b as in a female dog |
| 01:18.39 | Enverex | ah |
| 01:18.40 | yetifoot | Vasistha, you can use dosbox, i still play some of my old (<1998 games) on that |
| 01:18.46 | Mosi | Enverex: I'm planning to dualboot with Server 2003 for gaming purposes. since I don't really want to play around with Wine and all that. |
| 01:19.04 | Enverex | Mosi, I meant more things like Flash and third party distros |
| 01:19.06 | Vasistha | yetifoot: yeah, this program was written in the late 80's ;) |
| 01:19.07 | Enverex | er, repos |
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| 01:19.20 | albertito | enouf: Hey! It was an UML bug after all, I'm sending a possible fix to the mailing list. Thanks a lot for the help! |
| 01:19.27 | Enverex | Oh, that's another thing, DOSBox's "dynamic" core doesn't work on 64bit so expect crap performance |
| 01:19.53 | Mosi | Enverex: Yeah, that's the kind of trouble I had with UbuntuPPC. You don't think 64 bit processors are gonna become more widely supported as time goes on? |
| 01:20.02 | enouf | albertito: good work! ;-) |
| 01:20.05 | Vasistha | Enverex: trying to fuse the discussion fork, huh? :D |
| 01:20.29 | Enverex | Mosi, Well I lose either way. If I use 32bit I'm paranoid I'm losing lots of performance. If I use 64bit I lose lots of packages |
| 01:20.33 | Enverex | I hate it so much >., |
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| 01:20.43 | yetifoot | i think its sure to get better, i read that by 2008 64 bit will be the entry level desktop, so they're gonna have to get to work on making it all work very quickly |
| 01:20.45 | yigal | Everex: chrooting doesn't work? |
| 01:20.55 | yigal | s/Ev/Env |
| 01:20.56 | Vasistha | Mosi: they'll become more supported - yes, certainly. It's the way of the future. But, the question is whether you want to adopt it yourself, since it is not quite mainstream yet. |
| 01:20.57 | Guerin | it's the entry-level desktop *now* |
| 01:21.10 | Guerin | it;'s just that there's a lot of legacy gear out there |
| 01:21.18 | Enverex | yigal, I tried that ages ago but not recently, not even sure how that would work, other than having twice as much HD space wasted |
| 01:21.26 | Mosi | Vasistha: I guess the question then for me is, what kind of time frame can i expect for that to happen in? |
| 01:21.30 | Guerin | Enverex: it works fine. |
| 01:21.52 | Mosi | Vasistha: the halflife of 32 bit processors, as it were |
| 01:22.01 | Enverex | i.e. Packages for UADE and eUAE are 32bit only, Flash is 32bit... |
| 01:22.07 | yigal | Enverex: you basically use 32bit software in a 32bit environment when the 32bit stuff works better than the 64, I thought that was the idea |
| 01:22.24 | Enverex | yigal, but isn't it really really messy? |
| 01:22.33 | Guerin | Enverex: not really. |
| 01:22.36 | yigal | Enverex: no |
| 01:22.37 | Vasistha | Mosi: hard to say; depends what software you want to use. And, to a certain extent we just don't know how long it will take for everything to go 64-bit. When we went from 16-bit to 32-bit it was not all that difficult, but then, there were not *nearly* so many PC's in use |
| 01:22.53 | Guerin | it's a pain in the arse, however, for the very small performance increase most applications get. |
| 01:23.07 | yetifoot | yeah, i found that a lot when helping people on 64, getting stuff from the debian repos was good, but as soon as yhou have to get something outside, lots of the projects don't have 64 bit packages ready, i had to compile a lot of stuff myself, and some of it just plain didn't work |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | particularly given that, like brains, nobody much uses more than a few % of their CPU time |
| 01:23.18 | yigal | Guerin: but as was said earlier if you use flash nonfree then chroot 32bit is an option |
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| 01:23.25 | Enverex | yetifoot, Yeah, that's the issue I'm having now |
| 01:23.27 | yigal | Guerin: etc. |
| 01:23.34 | Guerin | yigal: you needn't tell me. |
| 01:23.50 | rahul | why do most apps get no performance benefit from x86-64? |
| 01:23.51 | markybob | nor do you need chroot for flash in the first place |
| 01:23.54 | Enverex | I went from 32bit Ubuntu to 64bit Debian and I'm missing the stuff I'm most used to having around :/ |
| 01:24.03 | rahul | I've seen a number of routines improve significantly |
| 01:24.10 | yigal | rahul: because we live in a 32bit world still |
| 01:24.25 | Mosi | vasistha: Well I may go 64 bit anyways. Like I said, I'm planning to dualboot with Server 2k3 for gaming and such, so if something like flash just won't work, I could always just use that until a solution comes out. |
| 01:24.32 | Guerin | rahul: i'm not saying they don't, i'm saying it isn't noticeable to most people |
| 01:24.35 | rahul | is gcc really such crap? |
| 01:24.40 | Guerin | like the ferrari you drive to the shops |
| 01:24.50 | markybob | people please stop saying that flash doesnt work on 64bit. that's getting annoying |
| 01:25.07 | yetifoot | what are peoples best solutions for getting flash working on 64 bit? there seem to be a lot of ways to do it, i've only tried a few so far, they worked, but wern't as clean/easy as i'd liked |
| 01:25.17 | markybob | !nspluginwrapper |
| 01:25.17 | dpkg | from memory, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 01:25.19 | abrotman | ndpluginwrapper thingie type stuff |
| 01:25.22 | Guerin | yigal: solution #0: don't fucking bother |
| 01:25.25 | Ankman | f*** sidplay2 eats up 25% of the CPU time :-( |
| 01:25.28 | Mosi | markybob: irrelevant. it was just an example. there's always something that doesn't work. :D |
| 01:25.30 | tabris|away | markybob: it doesn't. yet. there are however various solutions around it. BUT IT DOES NOT RUN NATIVE ON 64bit MODE |
| 01:25.33 | magyar | after the latest xorg update i keep getting this error on fglrx module "[R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 1.3.0.0, required X.org 7.1.0.0" |
| 01:25.35 | Enverex | markybob, Well it's not in apt, which, according to someone that was shouting at me in here yestrday, "using somehing from outside will break apt and your system" |
| 01:25.41 | Ankman | and sounds like crap ;-) |
| 01:25.49 | yigal | Guerin: best idea all day :) |
| 01:26.08 | Vasistha | Mosi: sure. and, just so you know -- 32 bit processors are inherently limited to 4 GB of RAM. So, since we are nearing that maximum, it's time to go 64 |
| 01:26.11 | Enverex | I used nspluginwrapper back on Gentoo a while back, it would make Firefox just close at random |
| 01:26.19 | Guerin | Vasistha: err ... per process. |
| 01:26.28 | Guerin | Vasistha: not that people NOTICE |
| 01:26.29 | rahul | Enverex: uh, that happens without nspluginwrapper |
| 01:26.37 | Enverex | rahul, true, but a LOT more often |
| 01:26.40 | abrotman | Enverex: oddly .. flash does that anyways |
| 01:26.48 | Guerin | Vasistha: again: do you need that ferrari to go to the freaking shops for bread and milk? |
| 01:26.49 | yetifoot | i hear gnash were saying youtube by april, youtube is the reason that 99% of the people have asked me for help |
| 01:27.01 | Enverex | Guerin, I'm sure it'd help get you laid |
| 01:27.08 | nadir | how can you isntall something with aptitude, what the key binding? |
| 01:27.09 | Guerin | Enverex: wouldn't help me. |
| 01:27.18 | rahul | Enverex: more money and more free time? why not? |
| 01:27.20 | Guerin | (no back seats in the freaking thing) |
| 01:27.23 | Mosi | Enverex: I had that problem on OSX 10.2.8, lol |
| 01:27.32 | rahul | oh, a ferrari |
| 01:27.32 | Enverex | Mosi, What, getting laid? |
| 01:27.38 | rahul | heh |
| 01:27.38 | Vasistha | Guerin: well, we're not noticing now, but 15 years ago we wouldn't have cared about the difference between 32 and 64 MB of RAM. It's a future consideration, that's all I'm pointing out |
| 01:27.39 | Guerin | rahul: kuatbt |
| 01:27.57 | magyar | quit |
| 01:28.05 | Guerin | whereas the wagon I just bought has 5'10" of flat space in the back |
| 01:28.07 | Enverex | hrm, I guess I'll stick with Sid64 for a bit longer then |
| 01:28.15 | Guerin | i'm 5'8", deb is 5'7" |
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| 01:28.30 | abrotman | Guerin: jeez that's a big waist |
| 01:28.34 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:28.35 | Mosi | Vasistha: The way my financial situation is shaping up, I'm expecting to have a large chunk of cash to blow around july, then after that the situation is unknown, so I'd like to buy a system for myself that's nice and beefy, and will last several years without too much in the way of upgrades. Sounds like 64 but may be the way to go. |
| 01:28.56 | vahid_brb | sorry for not good request, anyone can join and unjoin to #wikipedia-fa for help me to test a bot? |
| 01:28.57 | Mosi | Enverex: no, firefox crashing, lol |
| 01:29.01 | Enverex | hrm, nvu isn't in the Debian repo either :/ |
| 01:29.05 | Mosi | enverex: i was reading something offpage |
| 01:29.06 | Vasistha | Mosi: I'm certainly not the expert here ... I'm still using a system built in '99 ;) |
| 01:29.11 | Guerin | Enverex: because it's shit. |
| 01:29.13 | Enverex | nor is UADE or eUAE :/ |
| 01:29.21 | Enverex | Guerin, Alternatives? |
| 01:29.27 | Guerin | Enverex: emacs! |
| 01:29.32 | Enverex | Funny |
| 01:29.46 | Guerin | Enverex: or more seriously, i seem to recall bluefish being the best of s bad bunch |
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| 01:29.58 | Mosi | vasistha: lol, that's ok. I'll have alternatives, I can't be *that* wrong |
| 01:30.01 | Enverex | Guerin, Bluefish is text, nVu was mixed mode |
| 01:30.03 | Guerin | but honestly... once you learn xhtml, learning emacs is a piece of cake |
| 01:30.10 | Mosi | famous last words, right? |
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| 01:30.13 | Enverex | At this rate I'm just going to format and stare at the BIOS all day :/ |
| 01:30.15 | Guerin | Enverex: in other words, you need to run it alongside a browser. |
| 01:30.15 | nadir | how can i installs oemthing with aptiude? |
| 01:30.21 | Guerin | nadir: man aptitude |
| 01:30.24 | nadir | *aptitude |
| 01:30.25 | Enverex | Guerin, Right, so it's a pain in the ass. |
| 01:30.26 | Vasistha | Mosi: based on what people in here have been saying, it sounds like you'll be fine |
| 01:30.32 | Guerin | Enverex: oh, give over. |
| 01:30.33 | nadir | no man |
| 01:30.37 | Enverex | I hate it when people remove stuff and give no viable alternatives |
| 01:30.44 | Mosi | vasistha: that's pretty much what i got too. Anyways, thanks for the help. |
| 01:30.46 | Vasistha | nadir: are you using the front end? |
| 01:30.46 | nadir | oh found one online ok |
| 01:30.51 | yetifoot | Enverex, i think NVU got discontinued, try IceApe, that comes with a composer |
| 01:30.52 | Guerin | Enverex: anyone who doesn't test their *ml in an actual renderer is fooling themselves |
| 01:30.54 | nadir | yeah aptitude |
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| 01:31.11 | Enverex | Guerin, It's not for more complicated stuff, it's for more simple HTML stuff |
| 01:31.23 | Guerin | Enverex: my statement still holds |
| 01:31.28 | yetifoot | i think NVU and IceApe composer come from same source in the end, not 100% on that though |
| 01:31.43 | Guerin | yetifoot: nope. |
| 01:31.53 | yetifoot | ah, OK |
| 01:31.58 | Guerin | yetifoot: nvu = linspire's answer to dreamweaver/frontpage |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | which is why it's shit |
| 01:32.23 | yetifoot | i prefer the text editor |
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| 01:32.40 | Enverex | This is why Linux is slow to gain ground. WHAT YOU WANT TO USE IS SHIT, USE THIS!!! *rams down throat* |
| 01:32.45 | yigal | yetifoot: vim or emacs? |
| 01:32.47 | Enverex | Options are good |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | you could run frontpage in wine |
| 01:33.11 | markybob | didnt ms discontinue frontpage? |
| 01:33.20 | yigal | abrotman: wine or wine crossover? |
| 01:33.25 | yetifoot | yigal, nah, i prefer ones like kate, i never really got into text mode editors |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | who cares |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | Enverex: it's not slow to gain ground. |
| 01:33.39 | pl0nk | hmm .. well .. me endeavor to get debian booting with nothing but a serial console is making .. progress I think |
| 01:33.55 | pl0nk | during boot .. the whole system seemss to come to a hlt at the lines |
| 01:33.56 | pl0nk | Begin: Mokjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 01:33.56 | pl0nk | unting root fileEXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 01:33.59 | Guerin | Enverex: and in any case, what care I for it `gaining ground' with people who don't want to learn new stuff? |
| 01:34.04 | pl0nk | not sure what that means |
| 01:34.38 | Guerin | pl0nk: wtf is mokjournald? |
| 01:34.41 | pl0nk | and I never get a bloody login prompt .. |
| 01:34.50 | pl0nk | heck if I know |
| 01:34.57 | yetifoot | Guerin, i'm trying to find out about NVU, i think i was confusing iceape for seamonkey? did they both come from the mozilla composer source then? |
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| 01:34.59 | rahul | "mo"? |
| 01:34.59 | Guerin | pl0nk: those next lines are the standard output when a filesystem gets mounted |
| 01:35.07 | rahul | hahahaha |
| 01:35.14 | rahul | pl0nk: race condition |
| 01:35.14 | Guerin | yetifoot: yes. |
| 01:35.18 | pl0nk | okay .. in that case .. |
| 01:35.29 | pl0nk | it comes up totally .. but .. I never get a login prompt |
| 01:35.31 | rahul | pl0nk: begin: mounting root filesystem with ordered data mode |
| 01:35.32 | pl0nk | dunno why |
| 01:35.48 | rahul | kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 01:35.49 | pl0nk | also .. it hangs for .. 30 to 60 secs |
| 01:35.51 | rahul | oh wiat, not quite |
| 01:35.55 | yigal | its better than unordered data mode |
| 01:36.00 | Vasistha | pl0nk: are you also using a serial keyboard? err, is that part of the DEC connection? |
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| 01:36.08 | rahul | whatever |
| 01:36.59 | pl0nk | Vasistha : I have a DEC terminal here also but |
| 01:37.16 | pl0nk | once I got output to the DEC terminal I moved over to a serial port connection from my othre server |
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| 01:37.26 | pl0nk | this wya I can log everything to an xterm session |
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| 01:37.52 | pl0nk | in any case .. I have all messages going to serial port fine |
| 01:37.57 | pl0nk | just .. can't login there |
| 01:38.14 | yigal | can't login thats bad |
| 01:38.19 | rahul | so run a getty there |
| 01:38.42 | pl0nk | in /etc/inittab I have |
| 01:38.44 | pl0nk | S0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 9600 ttyS0 vt100 |
| 01:38.58 | rahul | wtf |
| 01:39.05 | pl0nk | yes ? |
| 01:39.12 | rahul | yes, exactly. |
| 01:39.12 | pl0nk | thats what I have in /etc/inittab |
| 01:39.20 | rahul | kick the computer |
| 01:39.23 | rahul | really hard |
| 01:39.26 | rahul | it deserves it |
| 01:39.34 | pl0nk | umm .. no .. I like this computer and I just bought it |
| 01:39.41 | yigal | everything is plugged in :) |
| 01:39.42 | rahul | are you sure it doesn't need to be /dev/ttyS0? |
| 01:40.02 | pl0nk | the man page says to referernce devices under /dev |
| 01:40.03 | rahul | guess no |
| 01:40.12 | rahul | yeah, examples are just like that |
| 01:40.16 | rahul | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 01:40.23 | magyar | is there any tricks to get the fglrx module to work with the new xorg release on lenny? |
| 01:40.38 | pl0nk | #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 .. is for a modem I think |
| 01:40.41 | pl0nk | not sure |
| 01:40.45 | Seb | magyar: yes, there is; email ATI and let them know. |
| 01:40.56 | Seb | magyar: btw it's a problem with 2.6.20 and not xorg |
| 01:40.59 | rahul | mgetty is for a modem |
| 01:41.02 | rahul | # Example how to put a getty on a serial line (for a terminal) |
| 01:41.05 | rahul | # Example how to put a getty on a modem line. |
| 01:41.05 | Seb | magyar: just so you bug them on the right topic |
| 01:41.08 | rahul | #T3:23:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x0 -s 57600 ttyS3 |
| 01:41.24 | pl0nk | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.39 | pl0nk | S0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 9600 ttyS0 vt100 <<-- serial line |
| 01:41.48 | rahul | yes |
| 01:41.49 | pl0nk | at least it s the same in RHEL5 |
| 01:41.55 | magyar | Seb: i use 2.6.18 and for some reason the fglrx errors out with wrong version "1.3.0" |
| 01:42.05 | enouf | pl0nk: aren't you on ttyUSB0 or somesuch? |
| 01:42.05 | magyar | xorg changed version numbers? |
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| 01:42.28 | pl0nk | enouf : nope .. real genuine DB9 port serial port |
| 01:42.59 | pl0nk | freaking mystery |
| 01:43.10 | pl0nk | I better look into /etc/securetty |
| 01:43.17 | cafuego | The DB9 is a nice car, but a shitty interface ;-) |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:43.33 | abrotman | a vantage for me! |
| 01:44.21 | pl0nk | # for people with serial port consoles |
| 01:44.21 | pl0nk | ttyS0 |
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| 01:44.48 | enouf | pl0nk: try T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 01:44.59 | pl0nk | okay .. will do now |
| 01:45.33 | pl0nk | T0:123:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 01:45.38 | pl0nk | I added 1 there |
| 01:46.20 | pl0nk | there is no dev /dev/T0 |
| 01:46.30 | pl0nk | there is a /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:46.33 | pl0nk | dunno |
| 01:47.16 | pl0nk | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 01:47.23 | pl0nk | Restarting system. |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | did you have to tell us ? |
| 01:47.26 | pl0nk | Stopping GNOME D. |
| 01:47.42 | pl0nk | umm ... to be pedantic .. yes |
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| 01:48.34 | pl0nk | Begin: Mokjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds |
| 01:48.38 | pl0nk | unting root fileEXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 01:48.48 | pl0nk | hangs here for a bit |
| 01:49.06 | pl0nk | the "mo" in mounting was missing |
| 01:49.09 | Vasistha | pl0nk: you can stop pasting your boot sequence into your irc client now ... I'd also like to recommend, one problem at a time! ;) |
| 01:49.17 | rahul | pl0nk: no it's not |
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| 01:49.41 | rahul | pl0nk: it's right there ^ |
| 01:49.42 | pl0nk | sorry |
| 01:49.51 | pl0nk | anyways .. I'm waiting for it to boot still |
| 01:50.00 | pl0nk | it takes it time at this point |
| 01:50.04 | abrotman | pl0nk: stop telling us EVERY damn line |
| 01:50.06 | enouf | pl0nk: just install screen and do screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 01:50.26 | pl0nk | enouf : that will not suffice |
| 01:50.38 | pl0nk | enouf : I need a real serial port based console |
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| 01:51.12 | magyar | was lenny updated to xorg xserver 1.3? |
| 01:51.26 | pl0nk | nope .. no login prompt .. I'm taking a break |
| 01:51.26 | enouf | 7.1 iinm |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | 1.3 ? |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg lenny |
| 01:51.48 | enouf | -osre is 1. something |
| 01:51.48 | sdlfk | I get this error: |
| 01:51.50 | sdlfk | * Anti-Tedd has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 01:51.52 | sdlfk | oops |
| 01:51.53 | sdlfk | wrong paste |
| 01:51.58 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-18 (lenny), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 01:52.07 | sdlfk | this error: |
| 01:52.07 | enouf | xserver-xorg-core is 1. something |
| 01:52.08 | sdlfk | ̤̤ô¦©ô¦‘ô¦ô¥¹ô¢¨ô£ô¢ô¢¨ô¢›ô ô †ôŸô ôœ¨ôœªôœ“ôœ¦ô™‹ô™™ô™„ô™€ô™”ô•¯ô•±ô•§ô•¥ô•£ô’ ô’Ÿô’‡ôŽ¸ô† |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg-core lenny |
| 01:52.25 | enouf | that's a nice error |
| 01:52.26 | DiaboluZ | Need some help with my proftpd - it disconnects me right away whenever i try to connect - it doesn't even ask for pass or anything before i get disconnected... |
| 01:52.30 | hambo | why ain't there a wiki entry for abrotman?? |
| 01:52.30 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.1.1-21 (lenny), Packaged size: 3567 kB, Installed size: 10120 kB |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | hambo: where ? |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg-core sid |
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| 01:52.45 | naught101 | is there any reason NCSD should be running on a small server? |
| 01:52.54 | DiaboluZ | debuglog says: FTP session requested from unknown class proftpd and than it disconnects |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | sdlfk: try a pastebin |
| 01:53.08 | Guerin | !ncsd |
| 01:53.09 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 3505 kB, Installed size: 10136 kB |
| 01:53.09 | sdlfk | oh good idea |
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| 01:53.15 | Guerin | isn't that a tv show? |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | !find ncsd etch |
| 01:53.20 | enouf | I think 1.3 mya also refer to (some) wintendo versions |
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| 01:53.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ncsd' (1): (/usr/share/games/vdrift/data/tracks/detroit/objects/concsdwk.bmp.png) in games/vdrift-full. |
| 01:53.51 | magyar | abrotman: is there an easy way to step back on xorg-core from sid to lenny? |
| 01:53.54 | hambo | abrotman: wikipedia.org? I mean, you're always here |
| 01:53.56 | Guerin | !htfswk naught101 |
| 01:53.56 | dpkg | naught101: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | hambo: i suppose you could create one .. though it'd likely get removed quickly |
| 01:54.24 | abrotman | magyar: get the package and install it with dpkg ? |
| 01:54.32 | naught101 | indeed |
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| 01:54.38 | abrotman | magyar: probably going ot cause a lot of problems :) |
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| 01:54.53 | magyar | oops |
| 01:55.00 | naught101 | Guerin: just asking here cause it's installed by default on etch.. |
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| 01:55.09 | abrotman | magyar: why ? |
| 01:55.13 | Guerin | naught101: then how come a search didn't find it? |
| 01:55.17 | naught101 | sorry, NSCD |
| 01:55.20 | naught101 | :/ |
| 01:55.21 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:55.26 | Guerin | heh :) |
| 01:55.26 | magyar | abrotman: looking for a one-shot xorg surgery removal |
| 01:55.30 | Guerin | !find nscd etch |
| 01:55.36 | dpkg | nscd: (GNU C Library: Name Service Cache Daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | magyar: why ? |
| 01:55.39 | hambo | The more I try other distros/os's the more I appreciate this channel... |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | did i type it wrong ? |
| 01:55.57 | magyar | abrotman: one word, fglrx |
| 01:56.02 | abrotman | yes i did |
| 01:56.03 | Guerin | naught101: no idea. |
| 01:56.05 | naught101 | in other words, no. but is it a good idea? |
| 01:56.07 | abrotman | magyar: two words .. tough shit ? :) |
| 01:56.10 | naught101 | fair enough |
| 01:56.12 | naught101 | cheers |
| 01:56.41 | Guerin | naught101: fwiw it's not on my sid box |
| 01:56.45 | magyar | abrotman: i had a dream that the new xorg core will support some of the x1xxx card from ati |
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| 01:56.49 | magyar | nightmare that is |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | at least not in ps ax|grep nscd |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | magyar: do you know about boobs ? |
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| 01:57.46 | abrotman | what's a klingens ? |
| 01:57.48 | magyar | nahh |
| 01:57.56 | abrotman | do they have ceremonial battles ? |
| 01:59.02 | enouf | naught101: did you use tasksel to install webserver (or any other types)? |
| 01:59.07 | rahul | boobs? |
| 01:59.10 | rahul | where? |
| 01:59.11 | dexomsrc | I've got XviD video files with two MP3 audio streams. I'd like to remove the first audio stream entirely while keeping the second without recompressing either the video or audio at all. How? |
| 01:59.34 | enouf | see #mplayer |
| 02:00.36 | asg | abrotman: isn't kingens some sort of beer? If not, it bloody well should be |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | asg: but his is klingens! |
| 02:01.15 | asg | abrotman: silent 'l' for the lickens |
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| 02:01.41 | abrotman | asg: we should ask wols! |
| 02:02.11 | stoned | rahul: on your head... ala Little Nicki |
| 02:02.12 | stoned | :) |
| 02:02.22 | asg | abrotman: we should ask jethro |
| 02:02.38 | stoned | I just busted out my SFU cds |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | asg: oh .. we should .. |
| 02:02.46 | stoned | I haven't heard oldschool metal in a while |
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| 02:02.59 | rahul | heh |
| 02:03.40 | naught101 | enouf: I didn't install the system originally, it's a VPS system |
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| 02:04.44 | stoned | rahul: http://sfu420.com/ |
| 02:04.50 | enouf | naught101: ok, fine, but please don't then say this or that is instaled by 'default' |
| 02:04.53 | stoned | true stoner death metal |
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| 02:10.53 | rahul | stoned: heh, sure is |
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| 02:12.40 | Toyd | is the DPL here or someone i can chat to |
| 02:12.49 | dondelelcaro | Toyd: no |
| 02:13.13 | Toyd | was working on storyboards |
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| 02:13.22 | Toyd | to turn the chat in to debian fable |
| 02:13.36 | Toyd | real time |
| 02:13.39 | Toyd | but oh wlel |
| 02:13.41 | Toyd | well* |
| 02:13.46 | stoned | modem. |
| 02:13.50 | Toyd | its not appreciated |
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| 02:14.13 | abrotman | ah .. trolling again ... |
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| 02:14.29 | stoned | its an everynight thing with him |
| 02:14.36 | stoned | lack of a life maybe |
| 02:14.37 | amphi | Toyd: why not a rock opera? |
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| 02:15.01 | Toyd | no abrotman |
| 02:15.04 | Toyd | i am serious |
| 02:15.13 | Toyd | want to see a screenshot :P |
| 02:15.27 | Toyd | i made myself a debian baby |
| 02:15.30 | Toyd | its funny as hell |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | he has an email address |
| 02:15.51 | dondelelcaro | Toyd: the marketing of Debian et al. isn't on topic here; consider talking to debian-project or debian-publicity instead, as they actuall have something to do with it |
| 02:15.52 | amphi | oh, no, he's drawn a penixstrike |
| 02:16.12 | Toyd | amphi, good idea |
| 02:16.18 | rahul | haha |
| 02:16.18 | Toyd | btw |
| 02:16.22 | rahul | !penixstrike Toyd |
| 02:16.22 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Toyd to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:16.42 | Toyd | even the bot has a character |
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| 02:16.43 | Toyd | ;P |
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| 02:17.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@207-37-215.ftth.xms.internl.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:17.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:17.14 | davros | hey guys, where does debian look when it displays the window-manager selection option screen at login time? |
| 02:17.14 | simonrvn | s,Toyd,'toid, as in lametoid |
| 02:17.14 | amphi | !adre |
| 02:17.14 | amphi | er |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | davros: depends on the DM |
| 02:17.23 | phogg | what was his deal? |
| 02:17.30 | cafuego | phogg: crack |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | phogg: he was here trolling last night too |
| 02:17.35 | stoned | lol |
| 02:17.58 | phogg | ah. step away for a while and I miss all the fun |
| 02:20.36 | udos | ah! did a kde upgrade and kdelibs4c2a "unable to stat ./usr/lib/libkresources.so.1.2.0 (which I was about to install)" |
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| 02:20.55 | udos | now the whole thing's broken.... |
| 02:21.27 | udos | what's wrong with these packages... |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | you shouldn't have that library anymore IIRC |
| 02:22.15 | udos | so why is dpkg trying to install it? |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | !info kdelibs4c2a etch |
| 02:22.38 | dpkg | kdelibs4c2a: (core libraries and binaries for all KDE applications), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 9516 kB, Installed size: 27732 kB |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | oh jeez .. |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | udos: do you ahve other errors ? |
| 02:22.58 | udos | what? |
| 02:23.03 | udos | yes |
| 02:23.23 | udos | what's up? |
| 02:23.38 | DiaboluZ | Hmmm when i have the mysql connection info in my proftpd.conf it goes wrong, if i # those lines the server works fine - but can't find anywhere in the loge exact what part of the mysql thingie goes wrong - is there a way to enable more logging from proftpd? especially on the mysql part? |
| 02:24.18 | squisher | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.22 | Ankman | help log |
| 02:24.24 | Ankman | oops |
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| 02:26.21 | magyar | abrotman: not too bad, had to purge a few packages |
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| 02:27.24 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: I tend to enable full mysql logging, so you can see what queries get run. |
| 02:27.38 | cafuego | DiaboluZ: (so turn that back off after fixing the problem though, it kills performance) |
| 02:27.41 | DiaboluZ | message: 'could not connect to server: Connection refused |
| 02:27.41 | DiaboluZ | Is the server running on host "127.0.0.1" and accepting |
| 02:27.41 | DiaboluZ | TCP/IP connections on port 5432? |
| 02:27.55 | magyar | sid is risky business, definitley not for weak in heart |
| 02:27.57 | DiaboluZ | thats in the mysql log of proftpd.... |
| 02:28.18 | squisher | DiaboluZ: that's not the standard port is it? That's correct? Enabled tcp ports in mysql? |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | 5432 is pgsql IIRC |
| 02:28.27 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: read a doc on passive ftp |
| 02:29.01 | Guerin | Toyd: don't fucking message me |
| 02:29.07 | DiaboluZ | Guerin> what good would that do right now? its not what i'm trying to do... |
| 02:29.19 | magyar | yeah toyd |
| 02:29.24 | yetifoot | did other people just get spam form Toyd? |
| 02:29.30 | magyar | yeap |
| 02:29.37 | squisher | yup |
| 02:29.40 | Guerin | !ops Toyd needs to be returned to the store |
| 02:29.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: Toyd needs to be returned to the store |
| 02:29.47 | DiaboluZ | squisher> i havn't changed any port or anything... |
| 02:29.49 | magyar | whos for bannig toyd? |
| 02:29.56 | yetifoot | i might have not minded had the comic been funny, but it wasn't |
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| 02:30.11 | squisher | DiaboluZ: then you put down the wrong port number in your proftpd config for mysql |
| 02:30.33 | squisher | 3306 is standard for mysql, check with telnet |
| 02:30.37 | DiaboluZ | squisher> there is no port numer in there :) |
| 02:30.52 | DiaboluZ | but i will put it there :) |
| 02:31.12 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 02:32.02 | mentor | He's |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | You're |
| 02:32.19 | Guerin | he appears to be launching a DOS on mentor |
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| 02:32.34 | DiaboluZ | squisher> do i just do it like dbnamelocalhost:3306 or? |
| 02:32.53 | luumanh | how do i install the gcc? |
| 02:32.54 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: i thought proftp had some documentation?> |
| 02:33.03 | Guerin | !b-e luumanh |
| 02:33.03 | dpkg | luumanh: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:33.28 | luumanh | thanks Guerin ! :) i just instsall debian |
| 02:33.33 | squisher | DiaboluZ: likely, but as Guerin says look it up |
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| 02:36.54 | else58 | Is anyone working packaging libferris and ego? http://witme.sourceforge.net/libferris.web/download/releases.html |
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| 02:37.03 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 02:37.04 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 02:37.20 | udos | abrotman: can't figure it out... rebuilding kdelibs4c2a using "source -b" |
| 02:37.27 | damog | else58: You could :) |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | wtf are you building ? |
| 02:37.33 | Guerin | !wayc udos |
| 02:37.34 | dpkg | udos: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 02:38.01 | udos | because installing it doesn't work that's why... |
| 02:38.15 | udos | (se above) |
| 02:38.16 | Guerin | udos: you should offer it a better contract |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | udos: you didn't show us an error |
| 02:38.24 | damog | what is math? |
| 02:38.30 | damog | dpkg: ¬¬ |
| 02:38.33 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: it's like maths |
| 02:38.33 | udos | ah! did a kde upgrade and kdelibs4c2a "unable to stat ./usr/lib/libkresources.so.1.2.0 (which I was about to install)" |
| 02:38.40 | udos | that's an error |
| 02:38.49 | Guerin | udos: are you using sid? |
| 02:38.56 | udos | was |
| 02:39.00 | Guerin | udos: and now? |
| 02:39.13 | udos | upgraded unstable |
| 02:39.17 | else58 | dpkg: It looks the author issues a request: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396828 |
| 02:39.19 | abrotman | !find libkresources.so.1.2.0 etch |
| 02:39.22 | DiaboluZ | Guerin>? hehe... found that port thingie, but now i got a new error in the sqllog... 'received invalid response to SSL negotiation: F |
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| 02:39.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libkresources.so.1.2.0' (2): (/usr/lib/libkresources.so.1.2.0) in libs/kdelibs4c2a ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libkresources.so.1.2.0) in libdevel/kdelibs-dbg. |
| 02:39.29 | Guerin | udos: so you get what you deserve |
| 02:39.37 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: RTFM |
| 02:39.42 | starnix17 | is there a better tutorial for install fglrx online other than the debian wiki? |
| 02:39.47 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: you're using PROftpd - aren't you a PRO? |
| 02:40.07 | magyar | is there a way to track hits with apache? |
| 02:40.09 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:40.09 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 02:40.52 | Guerin | magyar: yes. |
| 02:41.00 | squisher | DiaboluZ: if you're running both on the same machine, why do you bother with ssl betwene proftpd and mysql? |
| 02:41.05 | Guerin | magyar: in fact, apache tracks hits by default. |
| 02:41.17 | udos | anyway, that's why I am trying to rebuild from source... because I am not interested in whiping and rebuilding... |
| 02:41.20 | Guerin | squisher: you and your logic. |
| 02:41.33 | Guerin | udos: you get to keep all the bits. DOn't complain to us. |
| 02:41.52 | magyar | Guerin: how can i read it? |
| 02:41.56 | starnix17 | !non-free sources |
| 02:41.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update, or but bear in mind that you'll be installing non-free software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 02:42.01 | Guerin | magyar: less /var/log/access.log |
| 02:42.03 | starnix17 | this bot is a god |
| 02:42.04 | squisher | Guerin: Yeah, I know... can be annoying at times :) |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | or soemthing |
| 02:42.23 | magyar | Guerin: in html format? |
| 02:42.50 | Guerin | magyar: you could use some sort of text to html convertor, but that won't help much |
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| 02:44.52 | DiaboluZ | squisher> well i don't... i don't know why it expects ssl? |
| 02:45.14 | Guerin | DiaboluZ: because you told it to |
| 02:45.17 | DiaboluZ | only thing i got ssl on it my smtp - but that's also connected with the mysql - maybe the problem is there |
| 02:45.20 | Guerin | or by inaction, didn't tell it not to |
| 02:45.30 | nn-laptop2 | hi |
| 02:45.42 | squisher | DiaboluZ: I don't use proftpd with mysql... try to look it up. |
| 02:46.28 | else58 | damog: re libferris package, bug=396828. It's over 300k of c++, for now I'm just trying to get it operational on etch |
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| 02:47.05 | damog | else58: what problem are you facing? |
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| 02:47.40 | chut | how do i get the c header files that match my kernel? |
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| 02:48.13 | damog | chut: apt-cache search linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 02:48.19 | m1ke_l | chut apt-get install linux-headers....damn |
| 02:48.22 | zinx | chut: if it's a stock debian kernel, install the linux-headers-* package that matches the linux-image you have installed |
| 02:48.32 | damog | no linux image, linux-headers, yes |
| 02:48.49 | chut | i installed it but it didn't work , it still asked me for the headers |
| 02:48.50 | zinx | chut: otherwise, use the package make-kpkg built. and if it's otherwise and you didn't use make-kpkg, you are completely on your own and no one here can help you :) |
| 02:49.39 | zinx | chut: well, you'll probably get more help if you mention what 'it' is |
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| 02:50.39 | chut | i get it thank you, i didnt add the sources |
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| 02:53.47 | DiaboluZ | bah... proftpd has a bug in newer version... found my solution... http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/193794 |
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| 02:57.03 | Gmoliv | how can i change the defaults programs? |
| 02:57.18 | Gmoliv | like, i wanna open movies with mplayer, not totem anymore :S |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | in gnome ? |
| 02:57.29 | Gmoliv | yep |
| 02:57.48 | cafuego | Right click a file, select 'Properties' |
| 02:57.51 | Coweater | when i change my ip X restarts. I think gdm is having problems. I get a report in syslog "gdm[21608]: Couldn't authenticate user". This is on lenny. Is this normal? |
| 02:57.53 | cafuego | Then change 'Open With' |
| 02:57.59 | else58 | damog: slogging through the dependencies and configuration options so something can work, so I an learn it... |
| 02:58.14 | damog | else58: Ah! |
| 02:58.22 | Gmoliv | cafuego, thanks :) |
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| 02:58.28 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: Toyd has been messaging multiple people in the channel .. could you please kick him ? |
| 02:58.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, I thought it was just me that he was messaging |
| 02:58.49 | Gmoliv | cafuego, but can't i let it as default for all videos? |
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| 02:58.54 | abrotman | Gmoliv: right click on the file type .. go to properties .. and you can chagne it permanently in there |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: apparently about half the channel |
| 02:59.07 | Pryon | Toyd: please stop spamming |
| 02:59.11 | cafuego | Gmoliv: it applies to all files with the same file extension. |
| 02:59.23 | Gmoliv | ok |
| 02:59.24 | cafuego | Toyd: Good night, and good luck. |
| 02:59.26 | Gmoliv | thanks |
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| 02:59.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 02:59.41 | cafuego | Yay |
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| 03:01.41 | |mikey| | where is my sources.list file kept? |
| 03:01.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: np; |
| 03:01.50 | cafuego | *@^&@%$&%@^&%@ callcenter monkeys. |
| 03:01.58 | abrotman | cafuego: flinging ? |
| 03:02.08 | cafuego | You cannot beat my voip setup on price, so fuck off. |
| 03:02.13 | peterS | |mikey|: /etc/apt |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:02.21 | |mikey| | cool, ty |
| 03:02.27 | pl0nk | how do I find what package md5crypt is in ? |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | !tell pl0nk about search |
| 03:02.48 | peterS | pl0nk: if it is already on your system: dpkg -S md5crypt. if not: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 03:03.16 | DiaboluZ | can any of you recommend a real nice and spam protected forum/bullitin in php? |
| 03:03.17 | pl0nk | dpkg: *md5crypt* not found. |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | or apt-file either way :) |
| 03:03.54 | |mikey| | getting msg that I need a key for this repo: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 03:03.56 | peterS | pl0nk: then I guess it isn't already on your system |
| 03:04.18 | |mikey| | can't remember how to insert key in terminal |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | should be on the page |
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| 03:04.54 | abrotman | in the FAQ |
| 03:05.10 | peterS | |mikey|: has to do with the 'apt-key' command. getting the key in the correct text file format is perhaps the hard part, if it isn't provided in that format by your repository |
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| 03:06.13 | |mikey| | got the repo mentioned above on a forum, and they had instructions how to insert the key. But it didn't work |
| 03:06.21 | abrotman | it's in the FAQ |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | apt GPG key : |
| 03:06.30 | abrotman | Install the debian-multimedia-keyring package. |
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| 03:12.40 | dclarke | *** public apology time *** |
| 03:13.01 | dclarke | There are things that need to be said but I need to find Peter S. |
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| 03:13.55 | dclarke | !seen peterS |
| 03:13.56 | dpkg | peters is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 60 messages. Is idling for 8m 46s, last said: '|mikey|: has to do with the 'apt-key' command. getting the key in the correct text file format is perhaps the hard part, if it isn't provided in that format by your repository'. |
| 03:13.57 | |mikey| | still don't understand how to install the key package (I looked at the faq) |
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| 03:14.51 | dclarke | what key package ? |
| 03:14.52 | markybob | |mikey|: try reading the faq, instead of just looking at the pretty blue background |
| 03:15.07 | dclarke | aptitude -v install packagename |
| 03:15.34 | |mikey| | easy markybob, still learning here |
| 03:15.52 | markybob | |mikey|: which is why i said read. it's the first and second lines in the faq |
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| 03:16.17 | |mikey| | I saw that. but what does that tell me to do? |
| 03:16.28 | markybob | to install that package, damnit |
| 03:16.33 | markybob | "Install the debian-multimedia-keyring package." |
| 03:17.03 | |mikey| | so do I apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring ? |
| 03:17.13 | markybob | yes |
| 03:17.27 | |mikey| | would be nice if the faq said just that wouldn't it |
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| 03:17.56 | |mikey| | sorry, there are many nOObs like me just trying out linux |
| 03:18.17 | |mikey| | and usually the help here is great |
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| 03:18.56 | rahul | !penixstrike |mikey| |
| 03:18.57 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking |mikey| to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:19.01 | dclarke | |mikey| : I can relate |
| 03:19.15 | Gmoliv | does any one suggest a nice program to see tv? |
| 03:19.21 | |mikey| | excellent, worked. ty |
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| 03:21.25 | rahul | Gmoliv: heroes |
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| 03:22.40 | Gmoliv | rahul, hehe ok, let's "remake" my question... is there a good software for tv capture? i'm using a pinnacle pctv 110i |
| 03:23.04 | markybob | mythtv, possibly |
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| 03:23.10 | rahul | mplayer works |
| 03:24.01 | simonrvn | let's not |
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| 03:25.07 | Toad | anyone know of a linux app that will just continuously notice when I save my .tex file, and then re-render it and redisplay it? |
| 03:25.11 | Toad | and keep positioning the same? |
| 03:25.27 | Gmoliv | markybob rahul thanks |
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| 03:26.15 | plb | I updated to lenny and X says could not open default font "fixed" anyone else get this? |
| 03:27.50 | plb | hrm xfonts-base doesn't seem to be installed..that may be a problem ;P |
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| 03:28.18 | hark | do an aptitude install xorg |
| 03:28.51 | plb | fixed it |
| 03:28.53 | plb | thanks |
| 03:28.53 | slakmagik | Toad: you mean a dvi? like xdvi -watchfile |
| 03:29.36 | dondelelcaro | !available |
| 03:29.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, available is run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
| 03:29.45 | Toad | slakmagik: is there one that also will rerun latex foo? |
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| 03:30.15 | slakmagik | not sure there, sorry |
| 03:30.24 | dondelelcaro | Toad: you could just use rubber to do that every few minutes |
| 03:30.25 | Toad | k |
| 03:30.46 | Toad | I guess I can just be lazy. I didn't know about the -watchfile, so that saves the scrolling which was the major annoyance |
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| 03:31.55 | squisher | Toad: which program lets you specify -watchfile? I've been looking for that functionality myself |
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| 03:32.53 | squisher | ups, I see slakmagik mention it... now I just need the same thing for pdf's :) |
| 03:33.06 | Gmoliv | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
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| 03:34.58 | Administrator | anyone know why lspci reports: command not found |
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| 03:35.13 | dondelelcaro | Administrator: you don't have pciutils installed |
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| 03:35.44 | Administrator | is that the package? I thought it was part of the netinstall |
| 03:35.46 | dondelelcaro | Administrator: and I really hope you're not using a windows machine to IRC as administrator |
| 03:35.47 | slakmagik | not sure if there's something better, but running 'xpdf -remote' and having an editor macro which saves the files, generates the pdf and '-reload's xpdf might do |
| 03:36.06 | SerajewelKS | is there an app besides mythtv that will record a video feed from a v4l device? |
| 03:36.43 | pdbogen | mencoder can probably do it. |
| 03:36.45 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: if it's a hardware recording device, you can just cat from the device to a file. |
| 03:36.48 | pdbogen | I'd bet that's what mythtv uses, anyway. |
| 03:37.15 | ireverentReveren | i need to resize an image using only the command line... is this possible? |
| 03:37.15 | dondelelcaro | otherwise, you get to use mencoder or smilar |
| 03:37.29 | pdbogen | ireverentReveren : imagemagick |
| 03:37.30 | dondelelcaro | ireverentReveren: use convert or mogrify from imagemagick |
| 03:37.31 | slakmagik | ireverentReveren: convert - part of imagemagick |
| 03:37.37 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 03:37.58 | pdbogen | I wonder how many #debian questions can be answered with one word. |
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| 03:38.13 | dondelelcaro | pdbogen: many |
| 03:38.15 | slakmagik | some |
| 03:38.20 | squisher | pdbogen: yours ;-) |
| 03:38.22 | Rusty1 | SerajewelKS: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/TV_Recording something thereto help? |
| 03:38.24 | pdbogen | That wasn't a question. :P |
| 03:38.34 | Administrator | has anyone had issues with system stability using the tg3 driver for the broadcom gig nic? |
| 03:38.44 | pdbogen | Administrator : Yes. |
| 03:38.47 | pdbogen | ~survey |
| 03:38.49 | apt | List all your config. URL: ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/utils/scripts/survey-0.95.tar.gz |
| 03:38.53 | pdbogen | No. :? |
| 03:38.53 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i got "invalid argument" trying that |
| 03:38.56 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it's a tv tuner |
| 03:38.59 | pdbogen | !survey |
| 03:38.59 | dpkg | survey is, like, Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 03:39.05 | SerajewelKS | Rusty1: thx |
| 03:39.11 | Administrator | pdbogen, do you have suggestions? |
| 03:39.15 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: just a tuner, but not a hardware encoder? |
| 03:39.34 | starnix17 | can someone take a look at this ./configure error, I started to get it after I installed the ati drivers http://pastie.caboo.se/56066 |
| 03:39.43 | pdbogen | Administrator : I didn't say *I've* had issues. I just imagine that somebody has. I would imagine that you have, since you asked. I was just answering your question. |
| 03:40.24 | Administrator | I see alot of google references to the bcm5700 but that is all for 2.4 kernels |
| 03:40.24 | pdbogen | But you might try in a channel that's more kernel-oriented, or ask LKML. |
| 03:40.25 | kramed | Is there a seperate channel for debIan sparc64? |
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| 03:41.13 | kramed | the Installer gIves me no optIon to format ufs whIch slIlo requIres |
| 03:41.22 | kramed | and there Is no fdIsk on the dIsc? |
| 03:41.30 | pdbogen | kramed : Is somethIng wrong wIth your keyboard? |
| 03:41.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no clue |
| 03:42.03 | pdbogen | kramed : You might see if the disk has parted? |
| 03:42.34 | kramed | auto replace had strange settings, forgive me I just switched to Konversation |
| 03:42.44 | pdbogen | Heh, no worries, I was just curious. |
| 03:42.55 | kramed | pdbogen: I am just using the net install so all I have is what comes on the that |
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| 03:43.23 | pdbogen | kramed : If the GUI installer won't let you format as UFS, using the command line probably won't help. |
| 03:43.32 | pdbogen | kramed : Are you installing in expert mode? |
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| 03:44.03 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: well, if it's not a hardware encoder, you'll have to use mencoder or similar to encode from it. If it is a hardware encoder, it'll just output an encoded bitstream which can be written to a file |
| 03:44.03 | kramed | I tried both |
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| 03:44.38 | kramed | so if I cant do it from curses install nor command line how do I do it? |
| 03:44.38 | pdbogen | kramed : Maybe the real CD can do it. |
| 03:44.41 | kramed | I have to make a book floppy use to do a fdisk? |
| 03:44.50 | pdbogen | I thought there was an option to load extra installer modules, and I thought one of them was for UFS. |
| 03:45.00 | markybob | kramed: try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 03:45.02 | pdbogen | But I could be wrong; I've never needed it. |
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| 03:45.38 | kramed | very strange. You would think it would be loaded since every sparc machine needs at least the / partition to be ufs |
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| 03:45.46 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: well when tvtime is using it i get device busy -- when not, invalid argument (with cat) |
| 03:46.00 | kramed | thanks guys |
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| 03:48.10 | task0 | hello all, for start learning linux from 0... do you recommend debian? or y should try first with ubuntu? |
| 03:48.23 | Guerin | task0: just install debian |
| 03:48.37 | Guerin | task0: can you read? |
| 03:48.44 | task0 | Guerin, yes |
| 03:48.52 | Guerin | task0: then you can run debian gnu/linux |
| 03:49.04 | Guerin | start with the install guide |
| 03:49.06 | Guerin | !ig |
| 03:49.06 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 03:50.04 | task0 | ;) |
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| 03:51.56 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one please help with mounting nfsd, i get this error when i try exportfs: -f: only available with new cache controls: mount /proc/fs/nfsd first |
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| 03:52.16 | Guerin | thelostbutler: you don't mount nfsd |
| 03:52.40 | Guerin | thelostbutler: do you have a /proc line in fstab? |
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| 03:53.24 | thelostbutler | Guerin: yes i do none /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 03:53.36 | Guerin | thelostbutler: ok. and how did you install nfs? |
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| 03:56.20 | thelostbutler | i guess installing the package nfs-kernel-service packages and making enteries in /etc/exports and then compling the kernel with nfs modules built in |
| 03:56.43 | Gmoliv | the only way to access my pc (i mean, graphical interface) remotely is using vnc? |
| 03:57.03 | thelostbutler | i have a lot of stale points in the kernel table that i am trying to get rid off |
| 03:57.06 | Guerin | thelostbutler: oh, you're using your own retarded kernel? |
| 03:57.18 | Guerin | Gmoliv: no. |
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| 03:57.52 | thelostbutler | Guerin: yes :) i had to, running sarge and needed to use 2.6.18.1 kernel |
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| 03:58.17 | thelostbutler | no wait i am using 2.4.25 |
| 03:58.33 | Guerin | thelostbutler: no, you didn't. Sorry, I don't troubleshoot peoples; busted kernels. GO use a real one. |
| 03:58.59 | Gmoliv | Guerin, what are the other options? |
| 03:59.12 | Guerin | Gmoliv: ssh -X is my favourite |
| 03:59.20 | Gmoliv | hmmm |
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| 03:59.31 | Gmoliv | can ssh forward X ? nice, didn't know that... |
| 03:59.57 | thelostbutler | Guerin: hmmn, okay, thanks for your time and unecessary insults. :) |
| 04:00.17 | Guerin | thelostbutler: more than welcome. Bear in mind they're only unnecessary to YOU ;) |
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| 04:01.05 | thelostbutler | Guerin: righto! |
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| 04:09.01 | Gmoliv | Guerin, does vino has an encripted communication? |
| 04:09.33 | Guerin | Gmoliv: the only vino communication I know of is encrypted only by inebriation |
| 04:13.01 | shogunx | heh heh |
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| 04:19.26 | munkymunkyman | hello |
| 04:20.39 | nomasteryoda|w | debian rocks |
| 04:20.58 | munkymunkyman | yup |
| 04:21.01 | munkymunkyman | only |
| 04:21.07 | nomasteryoda|w | for my ppc imac... would not install ubuntu cause that is going away... |
| 04:21.10 | nomasteryoda|w | ya |
| 04:21.11 | munkymunkyman | sometimes confusing |
| 04:21.16 | nomasteryoda|w | only thing is the nvidia driver... |
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| 04:21.23 | nomasteryoda|w | seems i have to build that from "scratch" |
| 04:21.26 | munkymunkyman | well |
| 04:21.28 | nomasteryoda|w | which is ok |
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| 04:21.38 | munkymunkyman | thats why linux is fun |
| 04:21.41 | nomasteryoda|w | ya |
| 04:21.42 | nomasteryoda|w | lol |
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| 04:21.53 | nomasteryoda|w | fun enought to keep my sleep away |
| 04:21.55 | munkymunkyman | but it gets to weird |
| 04:22.08 | munkymunkyman | because they try to make it all easy and it fails |
| 04:22.19 | munkymunkyman | here i am on the newest of ubuntus |
| 04:22.21 | draeath | arg... if anyone responded to my last message I lost it (connection drop) |
| 04:22.38 | munkymunkyman | and it do aptitute install sun-java6-jre |
| 04:22.45 | draeath | munkymunkyman: ... #ubuntu |
| 04:22.46 | munkymunkyman | and no package found |
| 04:22.53 | nomasteryoda|w | lol |
| 04:22.59 | munkymunkyman | lame right |
| 04:23.16 | munkymunkyman | now i have to tar -xvf |
| 04:23.17 | draeath | munkymunkyman: you will need the universe and multiverse repositories... i would check around on wiki.ubuntu.com |
| 04:23.17 | munkymunkyman | ./configure |
| 04:23.17 | munkymunkyman | and all that |
| 04:23.21 | draeath | er, nooo... you dont |
| 04:23.22 | nomasteryoda|w | do what draeath said |
| 04:23.26 | nomasteryoda|w | really? |
| 04:23.26 | nomasteryoda|w | ok |
| 04:23.27 | munkymunkyman | or go get the bin install it some deep dark corner of linux |
| 04:23.29 | draeath | munkymunkyman: ill get you a link |
| 04:23.36 | munkymunkyman | and ln -s the dirs |
| 04:24.01 | draeath | munkymunkyman: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#head-5bbef89639d9a7d93fe38f6356dc17847d373096 |
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| 04:24.28 | draeath | munkymunkyman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sun-java6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=feisty&release=all |
| 04:24.31 | draeath | they DO exist |
| 04:24.52 | nomasteryoda|w | might just be your mirror |
| 04:24.54 | draeath | see here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/libs/sun-java6-bin |
| 04:24.57 | nomasteryoda|w | i've seen that before |
| 04:25.04 | draeath | notice the BIG RED TEXT that says [multiverse] :P |
| 04:25.46 | markybob | notice that THIS IS #debian |
| 04:26.17 | draeath | markybob: so, he asked a question and I knew the answer... |
| 04:26.28 | markybob | so it's off topic in this channel |
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| 04:26.54 | mikecc | hey guys what do you guys recommend for a "music server" |
| 04:27.10 | mikecc | i have a bunch of music on one box and id like to stream it to my laptop right here |
| 04:27.20 | Guerin | mikecc: http |
| 04:27.50 | Guerin | mikecc: or something like nfs |
| 04:27.50 | markybob | mikecc: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ |
| 04:28.03 | mikecc | thanks guys |
| 04:28.05 | \amethyst | mikecc: icecast is also popular |
| 04:28.08 | Guerin | gnump3d is incredibly wasteful of bandwidth |
| 04:28.12 | mikecc | ah |
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| 04:28.19 | Guerin | as is *cast |
| 04:28.36 | Nemoder | if you just want to listen to music over a local LAN samba/nfs is probably the easiest way to go |
| 04:28.47 | \amethyst | yeah, no need for streaming usually |
| 04:28.48 | munkymunkyman | that doesn't help much |
| 04:29.03 | Guerin | or mpc/mpd |
| 04:29.25 | Guerin | bt better to jus plug the box with the music into a stereereo |
| 04:29.53 | draeath | mikecc: look into vlc |
| 04:29.56 | \amethyst | Guerin: doesn't help when you're on a different floor, at least not if you want your neighbors to like you :) |
| 04:29.57 | mikecc | thanks draeath |
| 04:30.00 | draeath | not just a player, but its a streamer too |
| 04:30.46 | Nemoder | mikecc: I guess the question is do you want the server to do the playing or just host the files? |
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| 04:30.52 | draeath | mikecc: icecast works, but you have to deal with a server and a seperate 'source' - a source "plays" audio to the server. Also heavy on system resources |
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| 04:34.25 | Supaplex | how can I get uscan to download multiple files for an update set? I have two different lines with unique regexes in debian/watch, but only the first one is actually downloaded. --verbose shows the second file is there, but it didn't download it. |
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| 04:35.11 | Guerin | \amethyst: this is true. |
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| 04:51.56 | udos | Guerin: OK finally wiping clean and laoding fresh etch ... |
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| 04:55.39 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 04:55.39 | dpkg | somebody said qotd167 was <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 04:55.48 | ombuyung | i want to upgrade my sarge box to etch using cds, pls..tell me how |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | ombuyung: use apt-cdrom |
| 04:56.34 | ombuyung | and apt-get dist-upgrade ?? |
| 04:56.58 | hark | ombuyung: read the release notes |
| 05:01.09 | SJrX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.50 | wwallace | !nvidia |
| 05:03.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 05:24.04 | meteor-1500 | hi all - what's the best current way to install unstable? the debian installer netinst images are still for etch by the look of it |
| 05:24.30 | \amethyst | you don't install unstable, you upgrade to it |
| 05:24.33 | meteor-1500 | or should i just use that and point it to the unstable repositories |
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| 05:24.43 | aldin | how do i setup sudo? |
| 05:24.43 | meteor-1500 | ok |
| 05:25.21 | peterS | aldin: edit the sudoers file by typing 'visudo'. To find out more about the file format, 'man sudoers' |
| 05:25.21 | fengor | !tell meteor-1500 about etch->lenny |
| 05:26.01 | meteor-1500 | thanks |
| 05:27.09 | fengor | no prob |
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| 05:27.56 | fengor | the factoids of dpkg are really useful normally. you might want to try to msg dpkg listkeys someterm to get all keys concerning someterm |
| 05:28.13 | fengor | and you just msg him a key and he gives you the factoid in private |
| 05:28.15 | lokkju_wrk | sort of ff topic... any one have some suggestions on a laptop that has around a 12" screen that allows 1280x1024 resolution? or even a link to some sort of site that allows me to search/browse laptop models by their max res? |
| 05:28.15 | aldin | peterS: thanks |
| 05:28.24 | fengor | its a great way to learn stuff if you have some minutes |
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| 05:29.36 | peterS | !my factoids |
| 05:29.36 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 05:29.43 | peterS | or just browse the factoids separately... |
| 05:30.41 | amphi | ... |
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| 05:31.09 | chut | :)su |
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| 05:32.24 | aldin | howo to set up when mouse right click to have terminal icon? |
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| 05:32.28 | aldin | in gnome |
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| 05:33.49 | cafuego | aldin: install nautilus-open-terminal |
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| 05:34.32 | aldin | cafuego: Setting up nautilus-open-terminal (0.7-1) ... |
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| 05:34.44 | aldin | cafuego: dont have icon should i logout? |
| 05:35.00 | aldin | cafuego: when right click on desktop |
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| 05:37.21 | aldin | cafuego: it works! thanks |
| 05:37.28 | aldin | cafuego: i just logout/login |
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| 05:38.45 | cafuego | Yes, nautilus would require a reload. |
| 05:39.00 | acu | do you know if we can buy from HP Linux or No OS AMD based laptops ? - I any serious manufacturer offering AMD based laptops without OS or with Linux (obviously the best is Debian) ? |
| 05:39.44 | fengor | !tell acu about laptops |
| 05:41.07 | dondelelcaro | acu: I don't know about laptops, but they do sell some models with linux |
| 05:41.07 | fengor | basically get the manufacturer and the mdoel of the laptop and check it with the sites mentioned by dpkg |
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| 05:42.09 | acu | I am trying to squeze some from a salesman - he seem so clueless - though the HP support is outstanding and fast - however I am looking now - but they all shove on our throat the windows - is despicable and we cannot do anything |
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| 05:42.18 | acu | fengor : am reading now - thanks |
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| 05:44.19 | Gokee2 | Anyone know if turning on DMA in the middle of a DVD burn will make me a coaster? |
| 05:44.25 | markybob | acu i have a new hp pavillion dv6000 laptop that works perfectly on etch |
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| 05:46.36 | acu | markybob: thanks - I am eying a Compaq V6305NR with AMD Turion X2 1 GB RAM 100Gb HDD SATA 15.4 screen etc - with $599 - it is prety good price - I just wonder whether I should get a 17 inch or 15 inch - and how the heck I cann passby paying for the Microsoft |
| 05:48.01 | markybob | acu: *shrug* i'm not sure you can. i generally just get the cheapest version of windows that i can (iow, home, not pro, etc). afterwards you might be able to call them, say you disagree with the ms xp license that it shows on first boot and therefore you want to return that version of windows and get a refund for that part |
| 05:48.13 | peterS | Gokee2: why did you turn DMA off? or did your machine boot with the drive in that state? that would be very odd. |
| 05:48.41 | Gokee2 | peterS, It gets turned off a lot |
| 05:48.47 | Gokee2 | I am not sure why |
| 05:49.24 | Gokee2 | under hdparm is says "HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" which I have not seen before |
| 05:49.52 | peterS | Gokee2: maybe as a result of bus errors - perhaps the drive advertises a UDMA mode higher than it can reliably do |
| 05:50.02 | peterS | Gokee2: or higher than the cable can reliably do.. |
| 05:50.29 | Gokee2 | I should get better cables someday |
| 05:50.56 | peterS | Gokee2: what UDMA modes does the drive say it can do? hdparm should tell.. |
| 05:51.18 | Gokee2 | I changed out my old hard drive cable with a diffrent old cable and fixed a lot of hard drive i/o problems... |
| 05:51.50 | Gokee2 | I don`t see anything about UDMA |
| 05:51.53 | peterS | I ask because anything higher than UDMA mode 2 (ultradma/33) requires an 80-wire cable and thus is significantly affected by cable quality |
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| 05:55.25 | Gokee2 | peterS, The output od hdparm is at http://pastebin.ca/455448 |
| 05:55.30 | Gokee2 | of* |
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| 05:57.27 | \amethyst | Gokee2: hdparm -i might have useful information, too |
| 05:59.56 | acu | Did anyone try AOLserver with tcl Postgresql? - is the learning curve steeper than Apache PHP PostgreSql ? |
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| 06:00.53 | arrenlex | What else in the repositories edits odt, besides kword, abiword and oowriter? |
| 06:00.56 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, I looked at that... I don`t really understand it all but I pasted the output http://pastebin.ca/455454 |
| 06:01.10 | Gokee2 | See anything *usefull* there? |
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| 06:01.56 | \amethyst | Gokee2: that says it's in mdma2, and it (the drive or your controller, not sure which) doesn't support UDMA |
| 06:02.13 | \amethyst | So it's in the fastest DMA mode it supports |
| 06:02.20 | peterS | Gokee2: yeah, as \amethyst says... it's odd that a DVD writer wouldn't support UDMA. I mean really odd. |
| 06:02.39 | peterS | whoever heard of a CDROM drive made after 2000 that didn't support UDMA? |
| 06:02.51 | \amethyst | Gokee2: your cdrom is on Ecstasy |
| 06:03.27 | Gokee2 | Hmm |
| 06:04.01 | Gokee2 | Do... Why does mine not? Because I bought the cheapest one newegg had? |
| 06:04.05 | Gokee2 | So* |
| 06:04.53 | \amethyst | or it's getting misdetected somehow, or you don't have IDE drivers for your motherboard |
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| 06:05.18 | \amethyst | I don't know if the information hdparm -i gets is influenced by the controller and kernel, or if it's straight off the drive |
| 06:05.43 | peterS | Gokee2: what is your motherboard ATA chipset, anyway? 'lspci | grep IDE' will tell |
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| 06:06.12 | Gokee2 | 00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) |
| 06:06.27 | peterS | ok a nForce2 most definitely supports udma |
| 06:08.11 | arrenlex | What else in the repositories edits odt, besides kword, abiword and oowriter? |
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| 06:08.32 | peterS | Gokee2: and you have the 'amd74xx' module loaded? or...? |
| 06:08.52 | peterS | Gokee2: I'm trying to figure out here whether you're actually using the correct IDE driver, or a generic one that doesn't handle UDMA. |
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| 06:09.52 | Gokee2 | "gokee2@gokee2:/mnt/hda3/Stuff$ lsmod |grep amd74xx amd74xx 13340 0 [permanent] |
| 06:09.53 | Gokee2 | ide_core 110984 6 ide_generic,ide_cd,ide_disk,generic,usb_storage,amd74xx" So yes :) |
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| 06:10.46 | \amethyst | Gokee2: do you have any IDE devices on the other IDE channel? |
| 06:10.49 | \amethyst | hda or hdb? |
| 06:11.32 | \amethyst | for that matter, do you have anything on hdd? |
| 06:11.40 | Gokee2 | cdrom1 is my old cdrom drive |
| 06:11.57 | \amethyst | the old cdrom drive is on the same channel as the new one? |
| 06:12.10 | \amethyst | hdc and hdd? |
| 06:12.11 | Gokee2 | ya |
| 06:12.15 | \amethyst | how old? |
| 06:12.28 | Gokee2 | mmm 4-5 years I think |
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| 06:13.19 | rohan | can someone please tell me why this error is occuring on etch ? |
| 06:13.19 | \amethyst | well, that should be new enough, and anyway your motherboard should be new enough, that it won't slow down the other |
| 06:13.20 | rohan | [rohan@debian rohan]$ sudo /sbin/hwclock --show |
| 06:13.20 | rohan | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 06:14.00 | rohan | and, my system time and utc are interchanged. i am in the IST time zone. date --utc gives the time of IST, and date gives the time of UTC. |
| 06:14.03 | rohan | how do i solve that ? |
| 06:14.22 | Gokee2 | Ok here is the info for the dvd drive http://pastebin.ca/455465 |
| 06:14.27 | \amethyst | a three letter abbreviation isn't enough to uniquely identify your timezone |
| 06:14.39 | rohan | \amethyst: indian standard time |
| 06:14.51 | peterS | rohan: didn't someone several hours ago tell you to edit /etc/default/rcS? |
| 06:14.59 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, I am not sure if its hdd or hdc I always call it cdrom |
| 06:15.09 | peterS | Gokee2: /dev/cdrom is a symlink to one of those |
| 06:15.12 | rohan | peterS: yes, and in rcS it is already "utc=no" |
| 06:15.24 | Gokee2 | All the handy names debian gives me take me farther from the drives :/ |
| 06:15.27 | \amethyst | rohan: what does date +"%Z %z" say? |
| 06:15.37 | peterS | rohan: ahh, that's your problem, it needs to be "UTC=no", "utc=no" won't do anything |
| 06:15.43 | rohan | AciD: IST +0530 |
| 06:15.44 | Gokee2 | /dev/cdrom: symbolic link to `hdd' |
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| 06:15.58 | Gokee2 | So hdd is the DVD writter |
| 06:16.10 | rohan | peterS: no :) in rcS it is "UTC=no" .. i typed utc before by mistake |
| 06:16.22 | Gokee2 | writter* |
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| 06:16.27 | foo | Hm, can I dd a drive to a file while running within the OS? Basically, I want to do this then load it on a VM and upgrade to etch to make sure there are no issues / conflicts with what we're running (mainly just mysql/php/pear..) |
| 06:16.27 | peterS | rohan: also, in order for the system to know about that, you need to either reboot or run '/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start' |
| 06:16.36 | markybob_ | well that wasnt fun. hwclock --show froze my laptop. |
| 06:16.57 | \amethyst | foo: is it a mounted filesystem?> |
| 06:17.14 | rohan | [rohan@debian ~]$ sudo /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start |
| 06:17.15 | rohan | Setting the system clock.. |
| 06:17.15 | rohan | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 06:17.17 | rohan | peterS: ^^^ |
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| 06:17.32 | wols | Rockj: custom kernel? |
| 06:17.34 | markybob | rohan that's better than freezing you up like it did me :) |
| 06:17.35 | rohan | wtf, even 3 lines are not allowed ! |
| 06:17.37 | Gokee2 | I get "HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" for both my cdrom and dvd drive`s |
| 06:17.47 | rohan | markybob: ah .. strange |
| 06:17.49 | foo | \amethyst: Yeah :) I don't think you can, just thought I'd ask for laughs :) |
| 06:17.52 | rohan | why is this happening :-s |
| 06:17.56 | peterS | rohan: correct, we don't like you to paste more than 1 or 2 liens |
| 06:18.02 | wols | foo: remount the disk read only then dd |
| 06:18.05 | \amethyst | Gokee2: so does everybody |
| 06:18.06 | rohan | peterS: ok, will keep that in mind |
| 06:18.21 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, What does it mean? |
| 06:18.35 | foo | wols: Can I do that while in live on a production server? hmm |
| 06:18.44 | wols | foo: unlikely |
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| 06:18.49 | rohan | so, any more ideas on how to solve this rtc timeout and date problem ? |
| 06:18.53 | \amethyst | Gokee2: that CD-ROMs doesn't have cylinders, sectors, and heads the way hard drives do |
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| 06:19.15 | Gokee2 | Why does hdparm give the cdrom drive that command in the first place then? |
| 06:19.36 | rohan | i have a suspicion that my sytem clock is set to utc .. but i have no way of checking, since hwclock --show times out |
| 06:19.48 | Gokee2 | So it looks like my dvd drive is using udma4 |
| 06:19.51 | peterS | Gokee2: because it normally operates on hard disks, which do have those commands |
| 06:19.55 | foo | wols: thought so. What's the best way to replicate the environment? Hm, I could install sarge and then copy everything over, I suppose |
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| 06:21.02 | peterS | Gokee2: back in simpler days you could 'cat /proc/ide/AMD*' and it would show you the DMA modes and such (I don't know the /proc filename for the amd74xx driver), but with recent kernels they've removed that nice feature from most of those drivers |
| 06:21.44 | markybob | anyone have any clue why hwclock --show would freeze my box as a normal user? works fine as root. no error messages in syslog or anything to help me out. |
| 06:22.18 | Gokee2 | peterS, Hmm that works for me and gives me some nice output |
| 06:23.06 | Gokee2 | "Cable Type: 40w 80w" What is 40 and 80 w? I thought I was using the same type of cable... |
| 06:23.36 | peterS | Gokee2: 40-wire, 80-wire. if your cable only has 40 pieces of copper in it, it cannot do udma3, udma4, udma5, udma6. |
| 06:24.07 | Gokee2 | But I have the same number of wires in both cables! |
| 06:24.12 | peterS | Gokee2: the 40-wire cable has thicker wires, looks like a floppy drive cable but a bit wider. the 80-wire cable has thinner wires, twice as many - same overall cable width |
| 06:24.20 | Gokee2 | At least they are the same size and look the same |
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| 06:24.52 | peterS | Gokee2: so are they 40-wire cables or 80-wire cables, then? you can count the pins on the insulation |
| 06:25.11 | peterS | (regardless, there are 40 _connector_ pins on the plugs) |
| 06:25.14 | Gokee2 | Ah the one going to the roms is more wires |
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| 06:25.47 | Gokee2 | If there are only 40 pins what good do 80 wires do? |
| 06:25.53 | peterS | Gokee2: wait - so you're saying the hard drive is using a 40-wire cable and the CDROMs are using an 80-wire cable? |
| 06:26.01 | Gokee2 | Yes |
| 06:26.08 | peterS | Gokee2: the other 40 wires are grounded, and provide better shielding between the 40 signal wires. |
| 06:26.22 | Gokee2 | Ah I see |
| 06:26.26 | peterS | (technically you only need 79 wires to get this effect....) |
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| 06:26.41 | Gokee2 | I should go find a 80 wire cable for my hard drives then |
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| 06:27.08 | Gokee2 | But that would mean a reboot.... :( |
| 06:27.20 | fengor | jsut to be absoluletely sure: if i changed every mention of stable to sarge in my sources.list and did an aptitude update i should only get the security updates for sarge right? |
| 06:27.31 | peterS | Gokee2: truthfully, if you swap the HD and CD cables, you'll probably be fine: the CDROMs can make do at UDMA/33, which should be fast enough for that, and your controller will detect this fact and make sure the CD drives don't go faster than that |
| 06:27.44 | peterS | fengor: yes |
| 06:27.54 | fengor | good, thank you peterS |
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| 06:28.05 | tarzeau | stoned: cool! |
| 06:28.14 | peterS | fengor: well, if you've already updated to current stable, you'll probably get nothing after changing to 'sarge', since current stable is 'etch' |
| 06:28.27 | Gokee2 | peterS, But my cdrom drive is going at .5x (626) KB/s.... I would give it a better cable if I had one |
| 06:28.55 | fengor | peterS: i switched froms table to sarge after etch was released and before the first upgrade on the system ;) |
| 06:28.56 | rohan | peterS: any more ideas about this date problem ? |
| 06:28.59 | aldin | anyone has amd turion 64 cpu? |
| 06:29.04 | rohan | and why should a call to rtc time out ? :o |
| 06:29.27 | peterS | Gokee2: well, udma/33 is much faster than 626 kB/s, so something else must be wrong. perhaps it is trying to do UDMA4 (udma/66) but the drive isn't able to keep up so it ends up turning off UDMA and doing MWDMA instead? |
| 06:29.32 | markybob | !survey |
| 06:29.32 | dpkg | survey is probably Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 06:29.54 | fengor | its jsut that htis box i hep administering seems to havent had an upgrade in a long time. so i wanted to make sure before i confirm |
| 06:30.05 | fengor | this box i help administering |
| 06:30.11 | Gokee2 | Its set to udma4 is that 33 or 66? |
| 06:30.20 | wols | 66 |
| 06:30.21 | peterS | Gokee2: udma4 is 66, udma2 is 33 |
| 06:30.22 | wols | udma5 is 100 |
| 06:30.33 | fengor | sorry for the typos. my typing skills have obviously seen better days |
| 06:30.33 | wols | peterS: what is udma3 then? |
| 06:30.39 | Gokee2 | whats udma3? |
| 06:30.39 | \amethyst | wols: 44 |
| 06:30.42 | peterS | anything faster than udma2 (33) requires an 80-wire cable, but udma2 does not require one |
| 06:31.46 | aldin | i have amd turion 64 cp, Debian 4.0 i386, installed with this kernel 2.6.18-4-k7, but problem is that i dont have acpi support |
| 06:31.47 | aldin | aldin@debian:~$ acpi -V |
| 06:31.47 | aldin | No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi"). |
| 06:32.03 | aldin | how do i solve this? |
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| 06:32.42 | peterS | rohan: you can always run 'ntpdate pool.ntp.org' to set the correct time on your system, then 'hwclock --systohc --localtime' |
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| 06:33.20 | rohan | peterS: but all calls to hwclock are failing with the rtc timeout error |
| 06:33.26 | Gokee2 | peterS, So whats udma3? |
| 06:33.30 | peterS | rohan: try with --directisa then |
| 06:33.43 | peterS | Gokee2: didn't \amethyst just say? |
| 06:33.55 | Gokee2 | ah I did not see |
| 06:33.55 | peterS | nobody uses it, in any case |
| 06:34.02 | Gokee2 | Why does no one use it? |
| 06:34.04 | peterS | nor is udma1 ever used (I think it was 16 MB/s) |
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| 06:35.18 | \amethyst | Gokee2: because AFAIK basically no one made devices that did udma3 but not udma4 |
| 06:35.42 | \amethyst | or at least not for very long |
| 06:35.52 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:36.06 | Gokee2 | And would "hdparm -d1 -X udma2 /dev/cdrom" set the dma down a notch alllow my drive to keep up and finish my burn nicely or make me a coaster? or should I try udma3 first? |
| 06:36.27 | peterS | Gokee2: I wouldn't try changing the I/O mode of a drive in the middle of a burn |
| 06:36.36 | peterS | I mean, you can try it, but I wouldn't |
| 06:36.47 | foo | How can I add the kernel in an apt-get ignore... basically, I'm trying to install build-essential and it wants to remove the kernel. Isn't there an ignore list I can pop the kernel into? |
| 06:37.28 | dondelelcaro | foo: uh... it shouldn't be trying to remove the kernel |
| 06:37.34 | wols | foo: what is your kernel version? |
| 06:37.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell foo -about bat |
| 06:37.50 | dondelelcaro | foo: follow those instructions so we can figure out what it is trying to do, and what is causing it |
| 06:37.56 | Gokee2 | its at 1:10 for 85% that means I would have to wait 12 min |
| 06:38.02 | scx | !grr |
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| 06:38.33 | praecox | anyone got a clue what can I do if some of my System Settings are missing on Kubuntu? |
| 06:38.47 | foo | wols: Linux clio1 2.6.8-64gb-smp #1 SMP Sun Oct 22 16:02:34 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:38.49 | jetscreamer | yes. install debian. |
| 06:38.49 | peterS | praecox: this isn't a kubuntu channel, sorry |
| 06:38.49 | praecox | I have already tried apt-get install --reinstall kde-systemsettings kcontrol with no result. |
| 06:38.50 | foo | dondelelcaro: Let me see |
| 06:39.08 | praecox | ok, sorry for off topic. |
| 06:39.27 | jetscreamer | they send ppl here don't they |
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| 06:40.06 | dondelelcaro | I really hope not |
| 06:40.51 | foo | dondelelcaro, how do I get the output from apt-get run; ? |
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| 06:41.28 | rohan | peterS: that ntpdate command screwed up. my display was turned off, and i couldn't use the computer. i had to hard reboot |
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| 06:42.20 | markybob | rohan: see if adding hpet=disable to your kernel boot line helps with your rtc problem. it fixed it for me |
| 06:42.34 | dondelelcaro | foo: you get the output from whatever apt-get command you are trying to run |
| 06:42.45 | foo | dondelelcaro: oh, heh. :) |
| 06:43.14 | rohan | markybob: ah, ok.. will try :) |
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| 06:44.58 | foo | dondelelcaro: http://x01.ath.cx/temp/dprob.txt |
| 06:45.17 | foo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 06:46.38 | wols | foo: what do you nned b-e for? seems everything inside it is already installed? |
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| 06:48.33 | foo | wols: dpkg -l|grep -i build-essential returns nothing, hm |
| 06:48.39 | foo | wols: this is sarge, fyi |
| 06:48.47 | foo | Well, I guess you could see that from the sources |
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| 06:49.20 | scx | foo: bar |
| 06:49.29 | wols | foo: b-e is a metapackage |
| 06:49.47 | wols | foo: again: what do you need it for? |
| 06:49.58 | dondelelcaro | foo: aptitude unmarkauto kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp; then continue. |
| 06:50.20 | dondelelcaro | foo: it has nothing to do with b-e and everything to do with the fact that kernel-image is not automatically installed. |
| 06:51.00 | foo | wols: Uh, building a package that's throwing an error. |
| 06:51.43 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hm, how would the kernel-image affect this? |
| 06:52.13 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hm, if I run that it wants to remove this: kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp, my current kernel. hmph |
| 06:52.56 | concept10 | I was recently installing some packages using aptitude on a remote box, and I was disconnected. How do ensure that the job was completed? |
| 06:53.03 | dondelelcaro | foo: it won't remove it at all |
| 06:53.03 | dondelelcaro | foo: what your'e doign is telling aptitude that that kernel image is currently installed. |
| 06:53.15 | \amethyst | foo: is this sarge, etch, or what? |
| 06:53.34 | wols | \amethyst: sarge |
| 06:53.42 | wols | concept10: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 06:54.49 | concept10 | I guess they were all unpacked, i guess i'll find out when I start building this environment |
| 06:55.13 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hmm, I see. Ok, so, run aptitude unmarkauto kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp and trust it won't remove that kernel and bork the system. Confirm? I trust you :) Just want to confirm, for my own sake. |
| 06:55.35 | dondelelcaro | foo: unmarkauto should keep it from being automatically removed |
| 06:55.55 | dondelelcaro | foo: if you rerun it and it still says that it's going to remove it, then it wasn't successfully unmarkauto'd. |
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| 06:56.18 | cydork | concept10: check aptitude logs.. most probably it was not completed.. |
| 06:56.22 | foo | dondelelcaro: Ah, I see. When I run it, it says: The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp ... only reason I'm a tad hesitant |
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| 06:56.55 | dondelelcaro | foo: is this after you've run unmarkauto? |
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| 06:58.09 | foo | dondelelcaro: http://x01.ath.cx/temp/dprob.txt |
| 06:58.23 | concept10 | cydork, hmm.. I never noticed this :IMPORTANT: this log only lists intended actions; actions which fail due to |
| 06:58.23 | concept10 | dpkg problems may not be completed |
| 06:58.24 | foo | dondelelcaro: I haven't successfully pressed y to that in fear of it borking something |
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| 06:58.56 | cydork | concept10: aah check dpkg logs then |
| 06:58.59 | \amethyst | foo: do aptitude install build-essential kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp= |
| 06:59.12 | \amethyst | foo: actually, use : not = |
| 06:59.21 | dondelelcaro | foo: run aptitude keep-all; then try again. |
| 07:00.08 | concept10 | cydork, yep, they are half-configured as I suspected |
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| 07:02.36 | concept10 | How do I make aptitude or dpkg go back through and make sure all packages are installed (not half installed or configured) |
| 07:02.43 | foo | dondelelcaro: "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." |
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| 07:03.53 | peterS | it's true. poor aptitude is missing super cow powers. |
| 07:04.02 | foo | dondelelcaro: showed me usage as if it it wasn't accepted |
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| 07:04.24 | dondelelcaro | foo: then you're using an old aptitude; use the cursees interface, and mash + on the package that it's trying to remove. |
| 07:04.27 | foo | \amethyst: FYI, that still shows like it's going to remove the kernel |
| 07:04.51 | dondelelcaro | the curses interface is far more useful for resolving this kind of "doesn't quite do the right thing" problem |
| 07:04.55 | cydork | concept10: apt-get/aptitude -f install |
| 07:05.18 | cydork | foo: aptitude -v moo;aptitude -vv moo; you got the idea ;) |
| 07:05.24 | foo | :P |
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| 07:05.43 | foo | dondelelcaro: Alright, your call. I'll use something else if it's the way to the solution, hmm. |
| 07:05.46 | concept10 | I need to get into the habit of using screen |
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| 07:06.45 | rellik_ | anyone know the difference between packages like apache/apache2 and nagios/nagios2 ? |
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| 07:06.57 | rellik_ | is the "2" one always better? |
| 07:07.13 | rohan | rellik_: well, apache is apache 1.x series and apache2 is apache 2.x series |
| 07:07.26 | concept10 | rellik, no, 2 isnt always better.. depends on your needs |
| 07:07.28 | rohan | depends on your needs, but usually 1.x and 2.x are so different that debian keeps them both in repo |
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| 07:07.37 | rohan | if you are a new user, rellik_ , 2 would be better for you |
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| 07:07.56 | cydork | rellik_: many webservers still use apache 1.x |
| 07:08.00 | rellik_ | rohan, so in general, unless you specifically want 1.x, you should just get 2 |
| 07:08.05 | rohan | rellik_: yes |
| 07:08.10 | rellik_ | great thanks |
| 07:08.29 | rellik_ | wish I had thought of that before I installed nagios |
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| 07:10.08 | dondelelcaro | foo: that's what I'd suggest |
| 07:10.08 | concept10 | aptitude is recommending all types of weird stuff :( |
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| 07:10.27 | aldin | parameter |
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| 07:10.38 | dondelelcaro | concept10: aptitude recommends whatever the package maintainers tell it to recommend |
| 07:10.44 | aldin | i just recompiled kernel and if i put anything like vga=791 my screen is blak till gdm... it is ok is i leave it without vga parameter |
| 07:11.13 | foo | dondelelcaro: Sorry, but what's the curses interface or how do I get to that? |
| 07:11.17 | aldin | what should i enable? |
| 07:11.34 | scx | !give xtc to dondelelcaro |
| 07:11.55 | scx | mon dieu! |
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| 07:13.42 | concept10 | aptitude is telling me packages are broken, apt-get install -f wont fix em, dpkg --configure-pending does nothing |
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| 07:13.53 | tarzeau | concept10: which packages? |
| 07:13.56 | \amethyst | foo: just run aptitude without any parameters |
| 07:14.19 | foo | \amethyst: ohhh, nice. |
| 07:14.40 | foo | dondelelcaro: hm, now to figure out how to mash + on the package that it's trying to remove |
| 07:14.42 | jamber | hello, i want to make an upgrade of a pkg and i think it will create a conflict with something... is there a way to come back to the older version after the upgrade ? |
| 07:14.44 | concept10 | tarzeau, I lost my ssh connection while installing a bunch of packages and im sure that the install didnt complete |
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| 07:14.52 | \amethyst | foo: use / to find your kernel-image package, then press = on it to hold it at the current version |
| 07:15.02 | foo | aha, I see |
| 07:15.10 | dondelelcaro | foo: hit g once, then + |
| 07:15.12 | wols | jamber: it won't allow you to install something if it conflicts |
| 07:15.52 | tarzeau | concept10: i'd search and find the ssh connection... |
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| 07:17.19 | jamber | wolf: it will conflict with an application that is not debian pkg |
| 07:17.26 | Zapelius | the minimum installation of X11 (xorg) takes 71 Mb, is there a mini-X11 or something ever made? |
| 07:17.44 | Zapelius | I won't even need a WM |
| 07:18.17 | rohan | is there some way i can remove all the unnecessary xorg video drivers automatically ? it's a pain to remove each one manually |
| 07:18.59 | Zapelius | I tried google but obviously with wrong terms |
| 07:19.24 | cafuego | There he is again, with a shiny new /home on raid5. |
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| 07:19.57 | concept10 | Zapelius, why would you need a mini x without a window manager? |
| 07:20.03 | foo | dondelelcaro: hm, what does the + do? I don't see what it's doing, or if it's doing anything. hm |
| 07:20.29 | tarzeau | concept10: remote x ? |
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| 07:20.37 | tarzeau | concept10: a thin client... |
| 07:21.05 | xand | you can use X without a WM :) |
| 07:21.18 | Zapelius | concept10, becouse it's an embedded device with only one GUI application that is used via touchscreen |
| 07:21.45 | concept10 | Zapelius, well, in that case you have kdrive/tiny-x and xserver-xephyr |
| 07:22.03 | Zapelius | running on 512M flash on a 200MHz low-power CPU |
| 07:22.19 | wols | Zapelius: why do you want to use debian on a embedded device? |
| 07:22.40 | dondelelcaro | foo: it tells aptitude that you want to install the package |
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| 07:23.18 | tarzeau | wols: debian says it is universal |
| 07:23.19 | concept10 | heh, dont mention debian on embedded to wols |
| 07:23.19 | Zapelius | wols, it's still in proto-phase, easy to maintain and I like it :) |
| 07:23.52 | wols | tarzeau: MS says the same about Windows... |
| 07:23.56 | concept10 | Zapelius, debian really doesnt work on embedded, its good for the host though |
| 07:24.11 | dondelelcaro | 512M is huge; you can easily run Debian on that |
| 07:24.24 | tarzeau | concept10: i've seen stripped down debian on embedded 16mb flashdisk fingerprinter devices |
| 07:24.25 | foo | dondelelcaro: aha, ok, hm, so, what next? Install build-essential via the interface now that I've mashed it? |
| 07:24.38 | cydork | Zapelius: there is http://www.emdebian.org/ :) |
| 07:24.39 | dondelelcaro | foo: you should be able to install build-essential too |
| 07:24.49 | dondelelcaro | foo: once you've hit + on both, just hit g to install them. |
| 07:24.53 | dondelelcaro | foo: hit ? if you get losts |
| 07:24.53 | concept10 | Zapelius, its best to look at some of these other distros/environments such as openembedded, maemo, and such, get you a reference platform |
| 07:24.56 | dondelelcaro | s/losts/lost/ |
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| 07:25.18 | wols | concept10: you _can_ install debian on embedded. It's just that usually there are better options than debian for embedded use |
| 07:25.32 | tarzeau | wols: better and free? |
| 07:25.33 | dondelelcaro | it really depends how embedded you're talking about |
| 07:25.44 | tarzeau | wols: which? |
| 07:25.49 | concept10 | Zapelius, im doing the same thing right now, trying to develop a embedded device on a 200mhz processor with 128mb ram.. I havent decided on storage yet |
| 07:25.54 | tarzeau | debian gnu/kfreebsd maybe? |
| 07:25.58 | naxos | Hello everyone. Is is OK to install debian on one machine, and then move the disks to another machine. The point is to avoid downtime. |
| 07:26.00 | dondelelcaro | I submit that a 512M flash with a 200 MHz CPU is more than enough to run X, let alone just be a normal Debian distribution |
| 07:26.10 | dondelelcaro | naxos: yeah |
| 07:26.18 | concept10 | wols, I know you can install debian on embedded, I have it running right now :) |
| 07:26.21 | dondelelcaro | naxos: but you generally shouldn't need to do so |
| 07:26.27 | NewNickname | after i compile kernel from source how do i make initrd? |
| 07:26.39 | wols | tarzeau: self rolled? LFS? embedded is about cost and is normally not regularly updated. and all the flash you need for debian stuff (package management) to allow updates is imho useless on embedded mostly |
| 07:26.39 | foo | dondelelcaro: ah, so, I do + on both, you mean, the kernel and b-e ? |
| 07:26.46 | dondelelcaro | foo: right, then hit g. |
| 07:26.47 | tarzeau | NewNickname: with make-kpkg (from kernel-package)? |
| 07:26.54 | tarzeau | wols: ah, still linux |
| 07:27.13 | tarzeau | wols: that's why you can take debian and remove the unneeded stuff? |
| 07:27.16 | wols | tarzeau: except perhaps BSD there isn't mucht Free/free in that space, you#re right |
| 07:27.37 | CartoonCats | how do you get rid of sub interfaces (eth0:1, :2, etc) other then just if downing them? |
| 07:27.40 | wols | tarzeau: if you remove stuff like dpkg infrastructure, why use debian in the first place? and: is it still debian? |
| 07:27.48 | tarzeau | CartoonCats: disable in bios? |
| 07:27.52 | concept10 | Zapelius, this is a nice page http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HildonDesktopPortability#head-7a7981b6736fbf2a93bd3c938eba816c2fd3a8cf |
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| 07:28.06 | CartoonCats | tarzeau, i said sub interfaces, not the interface it self |
| 07:28.07 | Zapelius | concept10, xserver-xephyr looks great for now. Thanks. I'll do the final product later with something else too. For now debian is the fastest way to get going, staying below 512Mt HD is fine for the proto |
| 07:28.09 | tarzeau | wols: no it's not debian anymore |
| 07:28.30 | Zapelius | s/Mt/Mb/ |
| 07:28.32 | naxos | dondelelcaro: thanks, I was upgrading from FreeBSD, so I couldn't do it in place. Now heavy disk I/O causes long latchups. light disk I/O works great. I've tried everything to find the problem. hdparm looks fine. any thoughts on what could have gotten messed up? They are both P3 motherboards. |
| 07:28.36 | tarzeau | CartoonCats: ah true, but that's virtual ips then.. you could disable that in the kernel, maybe? |
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| 07:28.48 | CartoonCats | tarzeau, 1 nic, 3 IP's ( i had some gear with ips outside my lans, so i added a sub interface with ifconfig eth0:1 ip) |
| 07:29.01 | wols | tarzeau: imho debian is a universal distro for universal machines. emebdedded for me means narrowly defined usage. One thing to do and hoepfully do it well |
| 07:29.11 | CartoonCats | tarzeau, im just looking ot remove the interface now that im done needing the oddball ips |
| 07:29.14 | cydork | CartoonCats: remove them from interfaces? |
| 07:29.15 | concept10 | Zapelius, that page guides you on setting up the environment, ive found it useful.. xserver-xephyr and matchbox is doing the trick for me right now |
| 07:29.16 | foo | dondelelcaro: hm, my bad, so, I run aptitude, then press g to install/remove... but in that list, I don't see b-e, and the only thing I see related to the kernel is initrd-tools will be automatically installed to satisfy the following dependencies: * kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) |
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| 07:29.25 | aldi1 | tarzeau: i have downloaded new kernel from kernel.org i want to make from that ? |
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| 07:29.38 | dondelelcaro | foo: hit q to go one level up, then / build-essential |
| 07:29.40 | CartoonCats | cydork, with out a reboot (they were never added to the interfaces config list) |
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| 07:29.41 | concept10 | Zapelius, but I think im going to switch to using a LCD instead |
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| 07:30.07 | dondelelcaro | naxos: which kernel? you've checked that DMA is on for the drives in question? |
| 07:30.28 | aldi1 | tarzeau: should i possition on /usr/src/linux_new and type 'make-kpkg' |
| 07:30.31 | CartoonCats | I guess ifconfig eth0:1 down will do if there is no way to undo makeing them on the fly |
| 07:30.48 | wols | aldi1: no |
| 07:30.54 | wols | !tell aldi1 about kernel-package |
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| 07:31.14 | tarzeau | aldi1: and read man make-kpkg (it has initrd options) |
| 07:31.26 | Zapelius | concept10, I currently have an LCD as display (connected directly to MB) and the VGA reserved for something else |
| 07:31.26 | naxos | dondelelcaro: 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP, dma is on, I've also turned on unmaskirq and other likely flags, with no significant change. |
| 07:31.27 | cydork | CartoonCats: then why not with ifdown? maybe i didn't get the question. |
| 07:31.28 | aldi1 | ok, thanks |
| 07:31.30 | foo | dondelelcaro: aha! Sweet, I see. Ok, I pressed + on build-essential. For the kernel, it has this: B kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp. Pressing + didn't do anything. So, I'm assuming I didn't mash it up properly |
| 07:31.34 | Zapelius | concept10, works fine |
| 07:31.58 | tarzeau | CartoonCats: i don't know of other ways than ifconfig/ip/ifdown, which at the end are all the same |
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| 07:32.11 | tarzeau | CartoonCats: ifconfig is an interface to ip, ifdown one to ifconfig |
| 07:32.14 | wols | naxos: is your kernel using BM-DMA? does it show in dmesg? |
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| 07:32.48 | dondelelcaro | foo: that just means that kernel-image-2.6.8-64gb-smp is broken for some reason. Figure out why by walking through its dependencies |
| 07:32.52 | CartoonCats | cydork, I made the eth0:1 with ifconfig, just figured there might be a way to undo it |
| 07:32.52 | concept10 | Zapelius, but like I said in the beginning, evaluate those other platforms, because the options are endless, Ive had a hard time narrowing some of this stuff down. Most of these new devices have a pretty well defined stack almost close to what the GNOME project announced the other day |
| 07:33.03 | dondelelcaro | naxos: and where are you seeing the lockup in? |
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| 07:34.55 | foo | hm, quick side question, if I'm still on sarge... I need to replace the /etc/apt/sources.list to say sarge instead of stable, right? |
| 07:35.01 | naxos | dondelelcaro: Temporary freezes occur whenever there is heavy disk I/O, like copying 100MB files. The freeze continues for a minute or so after the copy is done. Also, I am seeing BM-DMA. FYI I am using ext3, data=writeback, and software RAID-1. |
| 07:35.08 | cydork | CartoonCats: just bring it down with ifconfig/ifdown |
| 07:35.23 | concept10 | Zapelius, are you commerical developer or just putting something together for yourself? |
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| 07:36.15 | naxos | dondelelcaro: any functions not involving the disk continue unabated - serving webpages that have been cached is no problem, pings are no problem, it is just the disk system that is slow. |
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| 07:36.30 | dondelelcaro | naxos: oh; that sounds like you might have better luck picking a different IO scheduler |
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| 07:37.52 | foo | dondelelcaro: hmm, ok, I was going to ask how to view the dependencies, but I think I accidently pressed enter and it says: Downloaded 37.3kB in 0s (237kB/s). continue/cancel, and it shows: http://mirrors.usc.edu sarge/main build-essential 10.1 [Downloaded] / http://mirrors.usc.edu sarge/main initrd-tools 0.1.81.1 [Downloaded] ... I wonder if I just needed something in initrd-tools? |
| 07:37.56 | Zapelius | concept10, commercial |
| 07:37.59 | foo | dondelelcaro: I haven't pressed enter yet, though |
| 07:38.29 | foo | dondelelcaro: I don't see anything about removing the other kernel, although this is a different interface |
| 07:38.39 | naxos | dondelelcaro: could you give me a hint, some strings to google? How do I know which one I am using now? This doesn't sound like correct behaviour for any IO scheduler, but I would be happy to try a different one. |
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| 07:39.27 | concept10 | Zapelius, well in that case, make sure you dont listen to tarzeau or wols if you enjoy keeping your job :) |
| 07:40.26 | dondelelcaro | naxos: look for elevator in the IO scheduler documentation |
| 07:40.50 | dondelelcaro | naxos: that's again, assuming that it has to do with the IO scheduler; you may want to take a look at dmesg as well to make sure that there's not some kind of bus issue |
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| 07:42.04 | tarzeau | concept10: huh? |
| 07:42.31 | concept10 | tarzeau, i didnt say anything |
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| 07:43.47 | naxos | dondelelcaro: There's just a few ACPI warnings near the beginning of dmesg, everything else looks clean. I am googling the I/O scheduler now, it look like I can change schedulers while it is running. |
| 07:44.13 | Ursinha | guys |
| 07:44.16 | Ursinha | a question |
| 07:45.22 | Ursinha | is there a way to remove a metapackage dependencies just not through finding its dependencies by hand and then apt-get remove foo? |
| 07:45.34 | foo | dondelelcaro: Should I continue on this or cancel it and try to follow the deps? Not too sure how to do the latter, but I should be able to see something, I assume. This is on one of our production boxes and I'm trying to be as cautious, hehe |
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| 07:46.38 | hark | Ursinha: use aptitude ;) |
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| 07:47.29 | Ursinha | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.45 | hark | yes, just like apt-get if you want |
| 07:48.00 | hark | !why aptitude |
| 07:48.00 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 07:48.13 | Ursinha | the solution i got now is: apt-get remove metapackage, apt-get autoremove |
| 07:48.36 | dondelelcaro | naxos: ok; yeah, I personally haven't seen that behavoir, although it is possible to get lag if you have a lot of disk IO happening; processes which compete for it have no choice but to slow down |
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| 07:48.42 | hark | autoremove? |
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| 07:49.16 | Ursinha | hark, removes unused dependencies |
| 07:49.34 | dondelelcaro | foo: if it is listed as B, then it's telling you that its dependencies are broken. You can press enter on the package, and drill through the dependencies to see which are broken, and why they are broken. |
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| 07:50.13 | dondelelcaro | (broken packages also show up hiligthed in red) |
| 07:50.19 | naxos | dondelelcaro: still googling how to change it and which one I should use, I am going to try that now. However this is with just one process, cp, doing any significant disk accesses. Seems weird to me. By the way, is it safe to change the I/O scheduler when it is running, this box is located 1 hour away at a colo center? |
| 07:50.29 | Ursinha | hark, manpages rules :) |
| 07:50.39 | tarzeau | Ursinha: pity the gcc ones are removed from main |
| 07:51.14 | Ursinha | tarzeau, what? |
| 07:51.15 | foo | dondelelcaro: Aha! Sweet, thanks. --- kernel-doc-2.6.8-64gb-smp | kernel-source-2.6.8-64gb-smp (UNAVAILABLE) - that's in black/red text, probably the culprit |
| 07:51.28 | Ursinha | didn't get it |
| 07:52.11 | hark | Ursinha: they're non-free according to dfsg |
| 07:52.13 | dondelelcaro | foo: those should just be recommended or suggested; you can ignore them |
| 07:52.35 | dondelelcaro | naxos: if the kernel has an interface to do it, it should be |
| 07:52.48 | Ursinha | hark, sorry,,, what are you talking about? :) |
| 07:52.53 | hark | Ursinha: no such thing as apt-get autoremove |
| 07:53.02 | hark | Ursinha: gcc docs |
| 07:53.04 | Ursinha | hmmm i see |
| 07:53.19 | dondelelcaro | generally when something I want to run is running slowly, I throw more hardware at the problem |
| 07:53.53 | foo | dondelelcaro: hmm, the two depends are: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) and coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0). It looks like aptitude was going to install initrd-tools and build-essential when I pressed enter... so I'm probably good to do that, right? Seems like it |
| 07:54.08 | Ursinha | hark, strange, i'm seeing it right now |
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| 07:54.20 | hark | oh, it seems like an ubuntu thing (at least according to google) |
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| 07:54.57 | dondelelcaro | foo: probably ok |
| 07:54.59 | Ursinha | oh-oh... please don't kill me :) |
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| 07:55.04 | dondelelcaro | foo: just make sure your kernel is still installed before you restart |
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| 07:55.39 | ^{^ | free as in freedom |
| 07:55.51 | foo | dondelelcaro: good idea, ok |
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| 07:56.29 | hark | it's interseting if they've added such an option, but using aptitude's the recommended way now |
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| 07:57.10 | foo | dondelelcaro: still installed, thanks :) |
| 07:57.24 | Ursinha | nice hark, thank you very much |
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| 07:59.35 | hark | naxos: i did come across a link about the disk IO issue, maybe have a look? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-482731.html |
| 08:00.06 | naxos | dondelelcaro: OK, will look, I changed schedulers and am testing now. So far it looks a little better. I'll let you know. |
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| 08:00.48 | hark | ( from the buzz about the very fair scheduler thing) |
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| 08:01.18 | hark | and completely fair too ;) |
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| 08:01.39 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:01.40 | dpkg | i guess qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
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| 08:04.38 | dondelelcaro | naxos: cool; good luck with that |
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| 08:15.09 | naxos | dondelelcaro: Well, I tried the changing the scheduler on both drives from cfq to deadline. It wasn't any better. It took this long just to get a chance to kill bonnie++ which seemed to be writing (intelligently) at about 1 megabyte per second. I'm still digging through that thread you sent me; thanks for that and your suggestions. |
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| 08:30.45 | berzerka | i want to create a fat16 file system on a usb stick. when i do mkfs -t vfat i get mkfs.vfat no such file or directory. which package do i need? (aptitude or apt-file search doesnt help me..) |
| 08:31.11 | mhall | berzerka: packages.debian.org |
| 08:31.21 | berzerka | mhall: thanks |
| 08:31.32 | mhall | berzerka: it's got to be one of the most useful things ever |
| 08:31.41 | mhall | berzerka: and debian and ubuntu are the only places that have one |
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| 08:31.54 | mhall | berzerka: it's one of the top reasons i won't use anything else if i have a choice |
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| 08:33.31 | mhall | man this is sweet |
| 08:33.43 | mhall | i just got a 1080p capable monitor on my box and an hd card |
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| 08:33.52 | mhall | and i just got the top quality deinterlacing working |
| 08:33.56 | mhall | so i can watch in xine |
| 08:34.02 | mhall | quality is amazing |
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| 08:34.13 | mhall | i love hdtv |
| 08:34.25 | melodos | hi! i have a small prb when i use beryl with java applications, im reading this one here, but im missing something regarding the command lines.. http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Java i would really appreciate some help.. no luck on the beryl channel |
| 08:34.47 | markybob | berzerka: apt-get install dosfstools |
| 08:35.04 | melodos | if anyone else experienced this plz help out.. |
| 08:35.37 | melodos | i actually want to do this |
| 08:35.39 | melodos | cp ../src/j2se/src/solaris/classes/sun/awt/X11/XWM.java sun/awt/X11 |
| 08:35.54 | melodos | but i cant find sun/awt/x11 |
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| 08:37.51 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:38.10 | asdzxc | hi |
| 08:38.15 | asdzxc | how can i unhold packages with aptitude ? |
| 08:39.16 | cydork | foo: yep. |
| 08:39.16 | asdzxc | it is saying this: |
| 08:39.17 | mhall | foo: might also have to move to debian archive mirror |
| 08:39.17 | asdzxc | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 08:39.17 | asdzxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.17 | asdzxc | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.17 | mhall | asdzxc: apt-get install, then copy past the package names into there |
| 08:39.17 | predder | I'm compiling a vanilla kernel under debian.. my friend says I should apply the debian patches.. any insight into this? |
| 08:39.17 | foo | mhall: ah, I see, good idea. |
| 08:39.17 | berzerka | markybob: ah thank you! i was assuming mkfs.dos was different from mkfs.vfat.. |
| 08:39.17 | predder | ie. what/where are the debian specific patches |
| 08:39.18 | cydork | asdzxc: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 08:39.22 | markybob | berzerka: np |
| 08:39.40 | mhall | asdzxc: usually you have to watch out for doing it with aptitude though |
| 08:39.41 | foo | Hm, I want to create another instance of debian like on our production servers and upgrade to etch to make sure things go smooth. If I can't do a dd, is the best way to do this via rsync after I get sarge installed? |
| 08:39.55 | asdzxc | mhall why ? |
| 08:39.56 | mhall | asdzxc: because if you do the same trick there, you have marked the packages as non-auto |
| 08:40.13 | asdzxc | and that means ? |
| 08:40.15 | mhall | asdzxc: if you do it with apt-get, it just results in them being updating, without messing up the state table |
| 08:40.20 | cydork | !kept back |
| 08:40.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 08:40.24 | cydork | asdzxc: ^^ |
| 08:40.34 | mhall | asdzxc: you *do* realize the difference between apt-get and aptitude right? |
| 08:41.05 | asdzxc | no |
| 08:41.06 | mhall | asdzxc: if you install a package by name with aptitude, it keeps track of what the deps were, so if you remove the package and the deps are not used by anybody else, they go away |
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| 08:41.10 | asdzxc | it wasn't the same ? |
| 08:41.26 | mhall | asdzxc: however if you use apt-get to do it, this step doesn't happen |
| 08:41.29 | cydork | doesn't anyone read nowdays? |
| 08:41.40 | mhall | asdzxc: this is what makes aptitude better |
| 08:41.43 | mhall | cydork: no |
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| 08:41.51 | mhall | cydork: i'm a software developer |
| 08:41.51 | asdzxc | so aptitude is better way for doing this, rgiht ? |
| 08:41.55 | asdzxc | ok |
| 08:41.56 | asdzxc | thnx |
| 08:42.01 | mhall | cydork: 80% of our support calls are covered in the manual |
| 08:42.04 | hark | !be reading barbie |
| 08:42.05 | dpkg | reading is hard! |
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| 08:42.13 | mhall | hark: no effing kidding |
| 08:42.15 | asdzxc | mhall it's working now. thnx again |
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| 08:42.30 | cydork | mhall: and what about the ones which are not covered? :) |
| 08:42.35 | mhall | asdzxc: yeah i admit it's probably not the prettiest way to do it but it always works for me |
| 08:42.52 | mhall | cydork: we can't even properly handle them because we are wasting gigantic amounts of resources on the 80% |
| 08:42.57 | hark | melodos: there's something in their wiki about fixing this, iirc |
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| 08:43.29 | mhall | cydork: i have an extreme hatred for people not reading manuals. hell, asking on irc is cool too. at least try google or *something* before you make bug reports etc. |
| 08:44.12 | mhall | cydork: i know nobody's perfect, sure, but if it's complex and you're having a problem, our PDFs are searchable and clickable and well written and tested by professionals with years of experience, and verified by the developers. |
| 08:44.35 | mhall | cydork: it's not *that* hard, and in the end it's faster and less trouble than waiting on the phone over nothing |
| 08:44.49 | mhall | cydork: so i have to admit i'm frustrated and totally baffled by it |
| 08:44.59 | cydork | mhall: heh true.. only if people actully *read* man pages :) |
| 08:45.23 | tarzeau | in ubuntu i insert usb stick into computer and it's in /media/disk, how they do that? |
| 08:45.44 | mhall | cydork: admittedly, man pages aren't real readable, but unix is googleable. our product is too obscure to be, but our stuff's way easier to read. half a dozen of one, six of another. |
| 08:45.48 | hark | or even do a google search |
| 08:46.07 | markybob | tarzeau: my debian box does the same thing. just have to have an entry in fstab and udev/hal takes care of the rest |
| 08:46.14 | mhall | i love sending people to justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| 08:46.16 | mhall | priceless! |
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| 08:46.40 | cydork | tarzeau: gnome-volume-manager? |
| 08:46.41 | cafuego | !fgi mhall |
| 08:46.55 | asdzxc | mhall bye |
| 08:46.58 | mhall | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?hl=en&q=check+this+shit+out&btnG=Google+Search |
| 08:47.01 | cafuego | well well\ |
| 08:47.08 | mhall | cafuego: aww damn, somebody deleted it :-( |
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| 08:47.21 | cafuego | !fgi mhall mhall |
| 08:47.21 | dpkg | mhall: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=mhall |
| 08:47.24 | cafuego | aha |
| 08:47.28 | mhall | cafuego: ah there we go :-D |
| 08:47.34 | cafuego | needs 2 parms :-) |
| 08:47.45 | mhall | that's the best site evar. lol!!!1one |
| 08:47.58 | markybob | i wonder if they get referal cash from google for that. like the mozilla guys |
| 08:49.20 | mhall | has anybody else had a problem with lxdvdrip yet? i can't figure out if something is wrong with vamps or if my dvd drive quit working right after i ran regionset on it. |
| 08:49.22 | scx | :) |
| 08:49.49 | mhall | markybob: how much are they getting for that in firefox |
| 08:50.26 | markybob | mhall: i dont remember and i'm not sure if it was a one time deal or if it's on a continual basis, but iirc, it was somewhere around $75mil |
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| 08:51.05 | mhall | oof! |
| 08:51.11 | hark | yup, and that was quite some time back |
| 08:51.13 | tarzeau | cydork: i want it to work without gnome, also |
| 08:51.17 | mhall | that's more than my team makes in a year |
| 08:51.23 | tarzeau | markybob: can you paste me that line? |
| 08:51.24 | mhall | on raw revenue |
| 08:51.26 | cydork | tarzeau: i use ivman for that. |
| 08:52.12 | tarzeau | markybob: i can't find any mention of udev or hal in /etc/fstab on feisty ubuntu |
| 08:52.29 | mhall | has anybody checked out the new k3b in unstable? looks gorgeous. this app is seriously professional grade. |
| 08:52.30 | markybob | tarzeau: something like this should work /dev/sda1 /media/usbstick auto auto,user |
| 08:52.40 | tarzeau | cydork: ubuntu doesn't have ivman |
| 08:53.18 | mhall | the new color scheme and graphics are seriously zomgh4x! |
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| 08:53.34 | tarzeau | markybob: ubuntu doesn't have any line like that in fstab. and i'd like to not change fstab (besides the computers we have sometimes really have sda, so it's not always that device) |
| 08:53.35 | markybob | tarzeau: also, do you use gnome? |
| 08:53.43 | cydork | tarzeau: ubuntu has gnome. |
| 08:53.52 | tarzeau | cydork: but it works without gnome too, in the command line |
| 08:54.01 | tarzeau | cydork: i didn't say anything about popping up file manager windows |
| 08:54.05 | tarzeau | cydork: just have it mounted |
| 08:54.08 | hark | !wikifaq tarzeau USB |
| 08:54.08 | dpkg | tarzeau: check out http://wiki.debian.org/USB or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 08:54.27 | hark | seems to have an example... |
| 08:54.33 | tarzeau | hal.rules. thanks |
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| 08:55.08 | markybob | tarzeau: see..even that debian usb wiki tells you to put the line in fstab. |
| 08:55.12 | cydork | hmm i didn't know about that.. |
| 08:55.14 | markybob | tarzeau: but i guess it's up to you |
| 08:55.49 | tarzeau | markybob: i wonder how ubuntu does it, they don't have such line |
| 08:56.00 | tarzeau | does gnome-volume-manager do it? |
| 08:56.15 | markybob | tarzeau: yes. it uses hal and udev |
| 08:56.29 | markybob | gnome-volume-manager is pretty nice |
| 08:56.38 | tarzeau | markybob: i see, so it won't work without gnome |
| 08:57.16 | markybob | tarzeau: you can if you follow that wiki and add the stuff to udev and fstab |
| 08:57.17 | tarzeau | markybob: but wait, gnome-volume-manager is also installed on this etch machine... |
| 08:57.33 | markybob | tarzeau: is it running? |
| 08:57.56 | tarzeau | markybob: haha got me! :) |
| 08:58.21 | markybob | tarzeau: really, man, do yourself a favor and follow the wiki :) it's good stuff...not gay hacks. http://wiki.debian.org/USB |
| 08:58.34 | tarzeau | markybob: ok :) |
| 08:58.49 | tarzeau | markybob: i'll have to autoedit /etc/fstab depending on what computer it is.... |
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| 09:00.27 | azeem | tarzeau: or look into pmount |
| 09:02.50 | tarzeau | azeem: thanks, will do |
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| 09:04.14 | rshakin | !upgrade |
| 09:04.14 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 09:05.55 | azeem | dpkg: upgrade is also if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
| 09:05.56 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 09:06.41 | rshakin | ok, there is something i am confused about.... |
| 09:07.17 | rshakin | if i run aptitude update and stuff and it's set to pull from stable does that mean that i get etch insalled automaticaly now ? |
| 09:07.38 | azeem | if you run aptitude upgrade, yes |
| 09:07.57 | azeem | put it to sarge instead of stable if you do not want to upgrade |
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| 09:09.03 | rshakin | ok, so since my old set up for far stable... all i need to do now is just let it go through it's update routine ? |
| 09:09.42 | rshakin | ok got it |
| 09:09.44 | rshakin | nm |
| 09:10.14 | azeem | no, you should read the release notes |
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| 09:12.39 | rshakin | OK |
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| 09:14.41 | tarzeau | azeem: i think i just run gnome-volume-manager whenever a user logs in , into whatever window manager. |
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| 09:16.52 | cydork | tarzeau: check ivman too. |
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| 09:22.37 | litage | is --max-delete=0 the only way to tell rsync not to delete files in the source destination? |
| 09:22.49 | litage | oops, s/source// |
| 09:27.25 | peterS | litage: well, you could just not use --delete |
| 09:27.35 | peterS | --delete is not enabled by default |
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| 09:28.29 | litage | peterS: oh, i thought it was =P |
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| 09:53.08 | endra | hey |
| 09:53.15 | endra | how do I change the shell on a user |
| 09:53.36 | petemc | chsh |
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| 10:02.40 | fireba11 | humm .. what packages provieds the "mail" command ? my etch system somehow doesn't have it |
| 10:03.09 | foo | fireba11: mailx |
| 10:03.25 | foo | fireba11: In the future, if you're unsure, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file locate mail :) |
| 10:03.36 | foo | or, apt-file search mail, IIRC |
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| 10:04.01 | fireba11 | hehe |
| 10:04.29 | fireba11 | foo was quite confused by etch not installing exim4 and mailx on that box though |
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| 10:05.23 | fireba11 | even the netinstall installed exim4 so far .. |
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| 10:08.27 | foo | w20 |
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| 10:08.45 | peterS | there's nothing interesting in window 20, foo |
| 10:09.33 | foo | :D |
| 10:09.48 | foo | Hm, there isn't really way to tell what is swapping, right? Just that something is swapping. Other than sorting top with M to view memory usage |
| 10:10.35 | petemc | foo: there are things you can do to show whats swapping |
| 10:10.43 | peterS | not that I know of, but it'll be whatever is using CPU. processes that just idle don't need to swap |
| 10:10.57 | petemc | echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug | grep -Ev '(kjournald|pdflush|syslogd)' |
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| 10:12.40 | Gnea | petemc: that, is tight. |
| 10:12.58 | petemc | i cribbed it from a smart person |
| 10:13.10 | foo | petemc: ohh, nice. |
| 10:13.37 | foo | Apr 24 03:14:36 blitz kernel: [17215916.712000] Xgl(5421): READ block 680056 on hda5 |
| 10:13.40 | foo | rofl |
| 10:14.05 | foo | petemc: geez, that's sweet. Hm, should I turn this off by writing 0 to the file when done? |
| 10:14.20 | petemc | yup |
| 10:14.28 | endra | how do I remove a passwd? |
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| 10:14.58 | foo | petemc: You rock, that's awesome, thanks |
| 10:15.19 | peterS | endra: set the /etc/passwd field to * instead of x |
| 10:15.40 | Element14 | endra: or /etc/shadow |
| 10:15.50 | peterS | that doesn't remove the password, just disables it, but that's what you want |
| 10:15.58 | peterS | Element14: simpler to do it in /etc/passwd |
| 10:15.59 | Gnea | petemc: if you and i ever meet face to face again, i'm buying you beer. |
| 10:16.09 | endra | uh, really? |
| 10:16.13 | petemc | shucks |
| 10:16.14 | endra | I dont see any other users with * |
| 10:16.15 | petemc | cheers! |
| 10:16.30 | endra | sry wrong channel |
| 10:16.33 | peterS | endra: maybe their passwords were removed from /etc/shadow instead. but * in /etc/passwd really is the easiest way |
| 10:16.35 | endra | wait no, right channel |
| 10:16.40 | endra | peterS: confused me. |
| 10:16.42 | peterS | hehe |
| 10:17.02 | Gnea | Apr 24 03:16:25 teletrantwo kernel: bash(4373): dirtied inode 4026531945 (block_dump) on proc |
| 10:17.09 | Gnea | so ... UNF |
| 10:17.17 | Gnea | !confuse endra |
| 10:17.17 | dpkg | No, those are their badger yesterday, endra? trousers of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 10:17.36 | endra | what? |
| 10:17.42 | endra | ah. not funny |
| 10:17.43 | endra | :-/ |
| 10:17.43 | Element14 | peterS: wow..... didn't know that trick. |
| 10:17.52 | pingouin | i got a "sit0" in my ifconfig -a , what is it ? i only have on network card in my computer, how to get rid of this sit0 ? |
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| 10:18.39 | peterS | pingouin: that would be your 6to4 tunnel, courtesy of the ipv6 stack. you can't easily get rid of it |
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| 10:19.10 | sharingos | hi continuare = false;/*esci dal ciclo interno*/ |
| 10:19.10 | sharingos | in_esecuzione = false;/*esci dal ciclo esterno e quindi fai finire il thread*/ |
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| 10:19.17 | sharingos | ops |
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| 10:20.18 | peterS | ma se non voglio finir il thread? (: |
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| 10:28.39 | infester | how can i get to know which binaries i can execute after installing a specified package in aptitude? |
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| 10:29.07 | petemc | infester: dpkg -L package |
| 10:29.17 | infester | petemc: thanks |
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| 10:32.03 | kabelsalat | infester: dpkg -L package|grep bin |
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| 10:34.01 | kabelsalat | :) |
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| 10:38.47 | giupy-away | hi all |
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| 10:40.26 | giupy | i have tried gsambad and i have tried use smbguest account, i made shared dir, writable and readable but with client pc i can open shared dir but can't open file or write on dir |
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| 10:41.29 | n000b | hi |
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| 10:42.20 | n000b | do you know a doc explaining how to install debian from an usb stick? |
| 10:42.55 | peterS | I think there's some text in the installation guide about that, but I haven't looked recently |
| 10:42.57 | n000b | how am i supposed to write the installation .iso on the stick? |
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| 10:44.11 | itguru | Morning people :) |
| 10:45.08 | dunc | does anyone have experience with e1000 NICs. I'm finding if I boot and let the card do autoneg, it will happily do 1000/full, but if i set it to 100 with ethtool, i can't get it back to 1000 without a reboot |
| 10:46.51 | sshhhh | hi all! anybody knows why saslauthd can connect to a ldap database, but not using ldaps. I configure in saslauthd.conf to use ldap://127.0.0.1 and all goes fine, but changing it to ldaps://127.0.0.1 saslauthd cant bind to the database. Any idea? (ldaps is working fine with other apps) |
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| 10:50.14 | itguru | I got a question, does every motherboard have a CMOS reset switch? I've got the oldish packahrd bell machine in here, which doesn't have one, and is really messing up my morning :( |
| 10:50.20 | Thumann | hi, anyone know a deb repository for openmosix? the packages mentioned here are gone http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/openMosix-HOWTO/x441.html |
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| 10:51.46 | wintix | itguru: most of them have. if not, unplug it, remove the cmos battery and wait a few minutes/hours (depends). |
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| 10:53.32 | itguru | wintix: Good idea :) |
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| 10:57.06 | itguru | wintix: seems the battery is GLUED into place! |
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| 10:58.38 | stew | dunc: what about 'modprobe -r e1000 ; modprobe e1000' ? |
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| 11:03.09 | dunc | stew, that works yes, but that's getting on for being as bad as a reboot |
| 11:03.25 | dunc | (as I have 5 NICs using that module) :-) |
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| 11:05.20 | wintix | itguru: well. if you really need to reset the cmos and there is no reset jumper, you have to somehow sever the connection to the battery. you can do that by removing (unplugging, unsoldering) it or by shorting it. note: shorting the battery is not a good idea and does not always work. |
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| 11:06.11 | itguru | wintix: I know - i'm a bid paranoid about blowing up the motherboard, i've done it before! |
| 11:06.13 | dunc | stew, so can ethtool really make irreversible changes? |
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| 11:07.27 | wintix | itguru: if you have good soldering skills, just unsolder the battery. if not, find someone skilled :) |
| 11:07.43 | itguru | wintix: lol - looks like i'll have to |
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| 11:08.35 | stew | dunc: i don't know, never used it |
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| 11:09.38 | ma3x | why I have no java enabled in my web browser? |
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| 11:09.45 | ma3x | I have already installed a few java packages |
| 11:09.52 | Appiah | a few? |
| 11:09.57 | Appiah | did you get the right one? |
| 11:09.59 | Appiah | the one thats needed? |
| 11:10.08 | Appiah | is the plugin linked to the browser plugin folder? |
| 11:10.10 | ma3x | let me show you what which I installed |
| 11:10.33 | stew | ma3x: afaik, debian doesn't yet distribute a sun jre for amd64 |
| 11:10.44 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/26374 |
| 11:11.25 | ma3x | why those people hate amd64/ |
| 11:11.29 | ma3x | it's a wonderful system |
| 11:11.38 | stew | ma3x: install sun-java5-plugin |
| 11:11.57 | ma3x | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 11:11.57 | ma3x | is only available from another source |
| 11:11.57 | ma3x | E: Package sun-java5-plugin has no installation candidate |
| 11:12.13 | Appiah | I thought amd64 java runtime is not done yet |
| 11:12.15 | Appiah | for anyone |
| 11:12.18 | stew | ma3x: its in non-free |
| 11:12.23 | Appiah | you have to run 32bit browser?! |
| 11:12.24 | ma3x | stew, I already have non-free |
| 11:12.30 | ma3x | deb http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:12.30 | ma3x | deb-src http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 11:12.36 | Appiah | I could be wrong |
| 11:12.44 | stew | ma3x: http://packages.debian.org/sun-java5-plugon |
| 11:12.51 | stew | ma3x: http://packages.debian.org/sun-java5-plugin |
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| 11:12.58 | ma3x | stew, is my mirror wrong? |
| 11:13.18 | ma3x | Architecture i386 |
| 11:13.57 | ma3x | dpkg: error processing sun-java5-plugin_1.5.0-10-3_i386.deb (--install): |
| 11:13.57 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.59 | stew | ma3x: ma3x no, that mirror has it, just checked their Packages.gz |
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| 11:14.12 | ma3x | it's not installable then |
| 11:14.16 | stew | ma3x: why not? |
| 11:14.27 | tarzeau | why can't i start gnome-volume-manager in /etc/X11/wdm/Xsetup ? |
| 11:14.29 | ma3x | because it's for i386 |
| 11:14.41 | ma3x | and i run 64 |
| 11:14.46 | stew | ma3x: yes, you said i386 |
| 11:14.50 | arcil | hey i want to build a torrent server on my linux box in my lan for sharing files between the clients. i want something similiar to normal torrent websites where users can upload torrent files which are displayed on the normal webpage. |
| 11:15.00 | stew | 06:12 < ma3x> stew, is my mirror wrong? 06:13 < ma3x> Architecture i386 |
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| 11:15.13 | fireba11 | arcil: join #bittorrent |
| 11:15.21 | ma3x | stew, that's what the site says - that the package is for i386 architecture |
| 11:15.27 | ma3x | and i have 64bit |
| 11:15.30 | ma3x | so it's not installable |
| 11:15.34 | arcil | fireba11: but isnt there a nice debian package? |
| 11:15.43 | stew | ma3x: correct |
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| 11:16.13 | ma3x | stew, so what's your point? |
| 11:16.31 | stew | forget it |
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| 11:16.44 | peterS | ma3x: that you can't mix amd64 and i386 packages on a single system. |
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| 11:16.58 | fireba11 | arcil : probably .. i'm using bnbt, there is no debian package, but its really simple to get to work .. i just added a init script |
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| 11:17.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi. i know debian has some sort of archvie of retired versions. does anyone know the URL? its somewhere on debian.org i think |
| 11:17.11 | ma3x | peterS, I well understand that |
| 11:17.13 | perlmonkey | hi guys, ive made a terrible error :-/ |
| 11:17.13 | peterS | archive.debian.org |
| 11:17.21 | ma3x | I thought stew is trying to get me to install it anyway |
| 11:17.26 | perlmonkey | is there a way to reverse a rm -rf or get back the dir? |
| 11:17.42 | peterS | ma3x: so we're left wondering what your question is. it sounded as though you didn't know why an archive labeled Architecture i386 wasn't working with your system |
| 11:17.43 | fireba11 | perlmonkey: depends on filesystem .. what you using ? |
| 11:17.48 | perlmonkey | ext3 |
| 11:17.55 | ma3x | perlmonkey, nope - probably with some special equipment only - otherwise no-one here knows |
| 11:17.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | peterS, so they leave them in archive, not move them elseware? |
| 11:17.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks |
| 11:18.02 | perlmonkey | ok :-/ |
| 11:18.07 | clownfish | hi guys, which of the two Distros is better: Kubuntu or Ubuntu? |
| 11:18.16 | peterS | Kamping_Kaiser: no, archive.debian.org is not the same as ftp.debian.org |
| 11:18.21 | stew | clownfish: ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 11:18.36 | clownfish | ok |
| 11:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | peterS, i've always used archive.debian.org as my archive :| |
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| 11:19.36 | rpc | perlmonkey undelete works in linux |
| 11:20.02 | rpc | perlmonkey it all depends on data structure though.. texts, sources, etc. are easier to get back |
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| 11:20.36 | rpc | perlmonkey not sure why ma3x said something that stupid but he is plain wrong |
| 11:21.34 | xand | rpc: ext3 is much harder to undelete from than ext2 |
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| 11:22.27 | dutchfish | anyone knows how to configure a displayadpter Intel Corporation 945G/GZ/P/PL Express Memory Controller for 1680x1050 resolution @ 60Hz? |
| 11:22.34 | rpc | xand it's doable though and saying "no way" is plain wrong |
| 11:22.51 | xand | !undelete |
| 11:22.52 | dpkg | i heard undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 11:23.09 | rpc | that's just a joke |
| 11:23.15 | stew | rpc: please give some actual useful information then. what is 'undelete', there is not a package nor a binary with this name |
| 11:23.20 | rpc | no one with brain would use mc for such stuff |
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| 11:23.35 | stew | rpc: yes, people with a brain would use such stuff |
| 11:23.35 | xand | rpc: the ext3 FAQ says undeletion isn't possible |
| 11:24.00 | rpc | stew i said that in some conditions it IS possible |
| 11:24.07 | stew | rpc: how? |
| 11:24.10 | rpc | especially if the data was plain text |
| 11:24.20 | xand | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
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| 11:24.34 | xand | "In order to ensure that ext3 can safely resume an unlink after a crash, it actually zeros out the block pointers in the inode, whereas |
| 11:24.38 | xand | ext2 just marks these blocks as unused in the block bitmaps and marks the inode as "deleted" and leaves the block pointers alone." |
| 11:24.41 | Stephaknee | heya. |
| 11:24.42 | xand | oops linebreak |
| 11:24.46 | perlmonkey | rpc: oh |
| 11:24.49 | rpc | and i never said that you use linux for undelete anyway... |
| 11:25.05 | rpc | xand see that? just zeroed pointers, data are still there physically |
| 11:25.12 | Stephaknee | I'm installing a plugin for the konqueror web browser.......where's it go? (i'm on debian 4.0) |
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| 11:25.25 | stew | rpc: if not with linux, then how? |
| 11:25.46 | perlmonkey | rpc: can you recommend any way to undelete a dir? |
| 11:25.47 | xand | rpc: that's by no means guarranteed |
| 11:25.49 | fireba11 | there are tools that just search your whole HD for anything resembling data no matter wht filesystem says .. that takes long of course .. |
| 11:25.52 | rpc | it's a long story, i went tru that and i was successful, was looking for just 100KB of data and i managed |
| 11:26.13 | rpc | perlmonkey you won't get the dir back itself, that's not possible |
| 11:26.20 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:26.21 | rpc | fireba11 that's right |
| 11:26.31 | perlmonkey | just the contents would be good |
| 11:26.46 | rpc | if that was something that you would recognize, e.g. source |
| 11:27.05 | perlmonkey | it was a mirror of my mysql /var/lib dir |
| 11:27.10 | perlmonkey | containing all db data |
| 11:27.13 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 11:27.15 | rpc | still it IS hard and nothing that can be done in seconds or minutes |
| 11:27.19 | rpc | hm.. |
| 11:27.19 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:27.27 | dutchfish | anyone can help me with setting my videocard to 1680x1050? |
| 11:27.45 | rpc | perlmonkey... it will be really hard then.. |
| 11:27.46 | ma3x | rpc, you can't get data back on a ext3 fs |
| 11:27.53 | xand | !tell dutchfish about drxx |
| 11:27.57 | fireba11 | ma3x: of course you can |
| 11:27.59 | perlmonkey | rpc: it might be a futile endevour to try and get the mysql tables back? |
| 11:28.02 | ma3x | maybe with some special equipment that might be very expensive |
| 11:28.05 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 11:28.06 | ma3x | fireba11, how? |
| 11:28.10 | ma3x | if you rm it how? |
| 11:28.23 | dutchfish | xand, thx but i already tried that several times |
| 11:28.23 | rpc | ma3x man.. data ARE there still, they aren't wiped |
| 11:28.26 | xand | ma3x: use dd or something to read the raw disk |
| 11:28.28 | fireba11 | ma3x: iuse one of the tools taht ignore the filesystem and jsut search the HD for data |
| 11:28.33 | dutchfish | xand, i have Intel Corporation 945G/GZ/P/PL Express Memory Controller |
| 11:28.39 | rpc | exactly, you use raw for that |
| 11:28.46 | dutchfish | xand, it snoops 8mb of memmory |
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| 11:28.56 | rpc | and there are many good tools on, caugh, winbloze for that |
| 11:29.13 | dutchfish | xand, and works now at 1280 x 1024 60 Hz |
| 11:29.13 | ma3x | xand, so why didn't you tell me to do that when I removed my /etc ? |
| 11:29.21 | perlmonkey | I used a tool previously to get some files back which were on a damaged partition |
| 11:29.23 | stew | ma3x: you MAYBE can by grepping the physical device directly. like "grep something /dev/hda" its going to be laborious and there are no guarantees, since the bloks that used to hold your data could have already been reclaimed. you are also going to have to reassemble everything by hand |
| 11:29.24 | perlmonkey | it worked ok |
| 11:29.29 | xand | ma3x: what? |
| 11:29.38 | rpc | perlmonkey would you be able to reconstruct file names manually? |
| 11:29.45 | wintix | rpc: which windows tool for raw data recovery supports ext3? |
| 11:29.47 | rpc | because you wouldn't get those names back.. just raw data |
| 11:29.49 | ma3x | xand, I accidently rm -rf /etc and then nobody told me to try with the dd method |
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| 11:29.55 | rpc | wintix do you know what raw is? |
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| 11:30.04 | xand | ma3x: it's probably more trouble than it's worth |
| 11:30.09 | fireba11 | perlmonkey: i used r-studio a couple times successfully .. it can do ext2 too, it should work with ext3 too then |
| 11:30.11 | dutchfish | xand, but i am not aible to (manually or through dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg) to set it up for 160x1050 @ 60Hz |
| 11:30.14 | perlmonkey | rpc: not in this particular instance I dont think, it's nearly impossible to be able to recreate the directory structure :-/ |
| 11:30.24 | stew | ma3x: if you wnated to get your entire /etc/ back you'd kinda have to already know everything that was in there first |
| 11:30.29 | dutchfish | xand, 1680x1050* |
| 11:30.31 | xand | dutchfish: why not? edit xorg.conf and put the resolution in there |
| 11:30.32 | stew | perlmonkey: how recent are your backups? |
| 11:30.33 | wintix | rpc: well then. name a program which does that sucesfully with ext3. |
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| 11:30.36 | perlmonkey | I would need a perfectly restored copy I think in order for mysql to restore those tables |
| 11:30.42 | ma3x | stew, filenames? |
| 11:30.49 | stew | ma3x: filenames. |
| 11:30.51 | dutchfish | xand, i did that but it fails with a bank screen |
| 11:30.59 | peterS | ma3x: I wish I could find the person who always recommends "rm -rf" for everything. there is a _reason_ -f is not a default option. you only use it when you know you want it. every time you want to type rm -rf, just type rm -r instead, sometimes that will save you from doing something stupid. |
| 11:31.03 | rpc | perlmonkey then i wouldn't say that you can be successful, sorry. you would have to know file names and structure and be able to recreate that |
| 11:31.14 | rpc | s/and/to |
| 11:31.16 | dutchfish | xand, thats after restarting xorg |
| 11:31.22 | perlmonkey | stew: well that was the only backup I have, I was not very big on backing up I must say until I had my raid disaster |
| 11:31.35 | perlmonkey | rpc aye :-/ |
| 11:31.37 | rpc | wintix asking one more time: do you know what raw is? |
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| 11:31.37 | xand | dutchfish: not sure what tod o |
| 11:31.44 | ma3x | peterS, and then if you rm -r /etc how do you get it back? |
| 11:31.55 | stew | ma3x: restore it from backup |
| 11:31.55 | rpc | wintix your question makes no sense at all thus i'm not answering it :) |
| 11:32.58 | perlmonkey | a new rule |
| 11:32.58 | dutchfish | xand, i dont know what driver i need and how to config the LCD E228WFP |
| 11:32.59 | peterS | ma3x: it'll ask you about some read-only file in there somewhere then you'll look at the filename and go "oh crap" and cancel out, having only lost a few files instead of the whole thing |
| 11:32.59 | perlmonkey | always keep a copy of a backup before you do any restoration work on it |
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| 11:33.00 | xmoogle | hi ummm..how do i change the console's default keymap? |
| 11:33.00 | ma3x | peterS, it would ask you when doing that as root? |
| 11:33.01 | wintix | rpc: yes i know what raw is. despite that i've only heared of software which can do data recovery for ntfs and/or fat32. |
| 11:33.01 | rpc | wintix when you do a raw search the software doesn't even know what it is digging tru... could be even amiga file system |
| 11:33.01 | peterS | ma3x: if a file is read-only, yes |
| 11:33.17 | dutchfish | xand, if i use i910 then it configs it at 75 Hz but the lcd can only handle 60Hz, if i check the videomodes of the adapter there is no 60 Hz mode for that resolution |
| 11:33.28 | stew | ma3x: his point is that, for instance, if you deleted a small file from etc, you knew the name, and you knew what some of the contents of the file were, it is possible that you could find more of the file by looking through the raw bytes of the entire disk, and looking around that part of the disk. |
| 11:33.31 | ma3x | peterS, well most of the time files are rw for root |
| 11:33.31 | xand | dutchfish: just change the value to 60 |
| 11:33.48 | dutchfish | xand, the xorg fails, video mode not supported |
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| 11:34.09 | dutchfish | xand, the thing is in windows it works at 60Hz at 1680x1050 |
| 11:34.30 | peterS | ma3x: hmmm, it seems rm disables that check when running as root. I wonder if they did it on purpose. oh well. don't run stuff as root, and shoot anyone who recommends running anything from a root shell that you don't have to, would be my next piece of advice, anyway |
| 11:34.33 | stew | dutchfish: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 11:35.00 | dutchfish | stew, i just reinstalled machine i have no logs anymore |
| 11:35.13 | dutchfish | stew, i can reproduce them however |
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| 11:35.58 | dutchfish | stew, i can paste my current config with 1280x1024 @ 60 Hz working |
| 11:36.47 | stew | dutchfish: that would not at all help me diagnose why you can't use 1680x1050. a log from trying to using that mode and failing would |
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| 11:37.34 | dutchfish | stew, wich logs you need exactly? ill redo the procedure |
| 11:37.41 | ma3x | peterS, I screwed it up last week - i installed chroot (i386) in /etch and then I wanted to remove it. I typed rm -rf /et + TAB + enter and /etc was gone |
| 11:37.47 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:37.54 | steven43126 | for rm as root edit root's .bashrc and add an alias for rm to rm -i then it will always ask you if you are sure |
| 11:38.06 | ma3x | or etc + tab |
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| 11:38.29 | dutchfish | stew, ill be back in a coouple of minutes |
| 11:38.47 | cohonen | question , why does a newly installed 2.6.20/1 kernel say waiting for root os |
| 11:39.04 | cohonen | is the image fubar |
| 11:39.11 | peterS | cohonen: I'm guessing because you made your initrd with yaird and it's not smart enough to change over from /dev/hda to /dev/sda |
| 11:39.12 | cohonen | a selfmade kernel boots, |
| 11:39.32 | peterS | cohonen: that's the problem I had, I had to hack my initrd somewhat before 2.6.20 would boot |
| 11:39.38 | cohonen | peterS: well ill would say its the oppersite |
| 11:39.48 | peterS | have it your way |
| 11:39.50 | cohonen | i see it loading unnessesary sata shit |
| 11:39.52 | xand | there is no 2.6.20 in debian |
| 11:39.54 | cohonen | i have a ata driv e |
| 11:39.55 | stew | peterS: which chipset? |
| 11:39.57 | stew | xand: yes there is |
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| 11:40.08 | xand | stew: really, where/ |
| 11:40.08 | xand | ? |
| 11:40.11 | peterS | xand: we don't only support stable, lots of people run unstable and talk in #debian |
| 11:40.17 | cohonen | peterS: i might as well do a kernel myself |
| 11:40.39 | cohonen | well my machine is dependent on a fix only in kernel 2.6.20 and up |
| 11:40.48 | stew | xand: http://packages.debian.org/src:linux-2.6 |
| 11:40.56 | peterS | stew: via 823x. yaird decided to load 'pata_via' before 'via82cxxx'. unfortunately it wasn't prepared to deal with the repercussions, such as the necessity to load sd_mod as well |
| 11:40.58 | cohonen | otherwise my acpi sleep draws too much power |
| 11:41.12 | cohonen | again i have to ask why inird ? |
| 11:41.16 | xand | peters/stew: pdo only says 2.6.18 |
| 11:41.17 | cohonen | initrd |
| 11:41.24 | stew | xand: not for me |
| 11:41.30 | peterS | stew: I've got nothing against libata, so I kept the pata_via bit, but I did have to fix up other stuff in the initrd (loading sd_mod and expecting /dev/sda /dev/sdb instead of /dev/hda /dev/hdc) |
| 11:41.55 | xand | hmm |
| 11:41.58 | peterS | xand: I'm not hallucinating the linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 I got from unstable |
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| 11:42.28 | stew | peterS: i was just curious, as i've moved a few machines and haven't seen it yet |
| 11:42.35 | cohonen | besides if its called debian stable why is my sleep to mem only working 1/3 of the times |
| 11:42.41 | xand | anyway, I'm pretty sure ops in here have said that unstable isn't supported |
| 11:42.48 | stew | peterS: you konw, you can jues use LABEL=foo in fstab and grub and not have to worry about device names switching |
| 11:43.05 | cohonen | xand: yea makes sence :( |
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| 11:43.15 | stew | xand: it doesn't mean that there is no 2.6.20 in debian |
| 11:43.16 | peterS | xand: we support unstable. we don't support inexperienced people breaking unstable in obscure ways and complaining |
| 11:43.37 | peterS | stew: it may only happen with yaird. and in my case I have root on raid1 so the failure mode would be a bit different than for root on a bare partition |
| 11:43.38 | cohonen | peterS: would that be me ? |
| 11:43.55 | peterS | cohonen: not that I've seen so far |
| 11:44.11 | cohonen | hmm |
| 11:44.19 | peterS | stew: perhaps you use initramfs-tools, which I think is the default initrd generator these days. I can't use that because it requires udev |
| 11:44.23 | cohonen | I almost got insultet there |
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| 11:45.17 | stew | peterS: oh, ok, so you are saying that this could happen if i switch to yaird regardless of chipset. |
| 11:45.34 | stew | peterS: i maintain a package that depends on udev so, yeah |
| 11:45.38 | cohonen | peterS: any idea why my sleep work non-deterministically then |
| 11:45.54 | peterS | stew: from what I saw of my initrd image, I'd say it's a distinct possibility. unless of course you are already using SCSI device names for the disks involved in your root filesystem, of course |
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| 11:46.02 | cohonen | i still wonder why we use initrd here people |
| 11:46.18 | peterS | cohonen: we don't, technically, we use initramfs. but 'initrd' is easier to type, so that's what I call it |
| 11:46.34 | cohonen | peterS: same question , why |
| 11:47.01 | dutchfish | stew, can you give me again the pastebin link? |
| 11:47.01 | peterS | cohonen: because unless you've built a custom kernel, and you aren't using certain other features, it's not possible to boot without one |
| 11:47.10 | stew | dutchfish: pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 11:47.19 | cohonen | only makes things more complicated |
| 11:47.30 | peterS | no, it does not "only" make things more complicated |
| 11:47.32 | stew | cohonen: it makes kenrels much smaller |
| 11:47.34 | cohonen | peterS: how about just having drivers in kernel |
| 11:47.38 | peterS | it also makes kernels work better in a distribution like Debian |
| 11:47.55 | cohonen | stew: thats not an argument for 99.9999999999% of users |
| 11:47.59 | stew | cohonen: debian would have to ship kernels with every possible driver anybody might need to mount root compiled directly into the kernel |
| 11:48.06 | stew | cohonen: huh? |
| 11:48.22 | cohonen | stew: yep they would |
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| 11:48.55 | peterS | cohonen: do you have any idea how much system memory that would use for all users, completely wasted memory that you can't get back? I estimate 5 MB |
| 11:48.57 | dutchfish | stew, http://pastebin.ca/455686 |
| 11:49.02 | stew | cohonen: and you'd no longer be able to have / on lvm / raid (as i do now with a stock debian kernel) |
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| 11:50.07 | cohonen | peterS: thats rather a high estimate ,but still , isnt much , your gnome terminal easily wastes more |
| 11:50.21 | streuner | hm, strawberry shake is something which are very tastefull from McD :-) |
| 11:50.27 | xand | ewww |
| 11:50.31 | peterS | cohonen: I don't run gnome-terminal, sorry, try again. also, when I exit gnome-terminal, I get that memory back. you can't exit the kernel. |
| 11:50.40 | stew | dutchfish: it looks like you are going to have to insert a custom modeline |
| 11:51.20 | cohonen | peterS: im just saying that 5mb isnt much today |
| 11:51.31 | peterS | cohonen: you have to present a better argument than "initrd generators occasionally do weird things in debian unstable" before you outweigh "not only do I save 4 or 5 MB of system RAM, I can also boot with root on LVM and weird things like that" |
| 11:51.31 | stew | cohonen: it is for many users |
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| 11:51.45 | peterS | cohonen: until you see an initrd break in debian stable, you have no argument |
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| 11:52.28 | cohonen | peterS: i guess i wont see that |
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| 11:52.59 | cohonen | but i cant wait for a stable kernel |
| 11:53.03 | dutchfish | stew, the strange thing is when i choose medium in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org, the is only option for 1680x1050@75Hz not 60Hz, if i manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf in regards of this resolution my screen gows blank after crtl-alt-backspace (after cycling logout/log)... |
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| 11:53.57 | dutchfish | stew, with my ati cards i always could manually config this, not with this funny intel 945 |
| 11:54.20 | peterS | cohonen: you should also remember the reason debian moved to initrd booting in the first place: not only was it the right thing to do, it made it possible to boot the installer from a floppy disk - the kernel would not fit on one otherwise |
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| 11:54.54 | cohonen | peterS: yea i know, thk god floppys are a thing of the past now |
| 11:54.56 | Octopssy | Anyone knows/has a good tutorial for installing PHP5 on debian? Can't find any good |
| 11:55.01 | dutchfish | stew, maybe you can help me with forcing this to 60Hz for the videomode 1680x1050? i dont know how |
| 11:55.16 | stew | dutchfish: if you google for 1680x1050+modeline+whateveryourchipsetis you will probably find a modeline to stick in xorg.org that will work. otherwise google for a custom modeline generator |
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| 11:55.19 | xand | Octopssy: you dont need one... apt-get install |
| 11:55.31 | peterS | cohonen: you have a bad habit of saying things are "things of the past" just because you don't use them yourself |
| 11:55.45 | Octopssy | xand: How u mean exactly? |
| 11:55.46 | dutchfish | stew, i try that, thx |
| 11:55.50 | cohonen | peterS: thats quite common among people these days |
| 11:55.54 | xand | Octopssy: which webserver do you use? |
| 11:55.59 | peterS | cohonen: first you laugh at people who worry about wasting 5 MB of memory they can never get back, now you don't think we should be able to boot the installer from a floppy |
| 11:56.06 | stew | cohonen: people are here asking about floppy installs daily |
| 11:56.20 | Octopssy | Apache (1) |
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| 11:56.37 | xand | Octopssy: apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 11:56.42 | xand | Octopssy: that's about all there is to it |
| 11:56.55 | xand | restart apache after if it doesn't do it for you |
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| 11:57.13 | cohonen | laugh ,, naah i understand people want to save mem , |
| 11:57.30 | Octopssy | thank u |
| 11:57.39 | hark | Octopssy: /msg dpkg install php |
| 11:57.40 | stew | Octopssy: aptitude install libapache-mod-php5 apache ; you also may likely want other php5 modules (php5-mysql perhaps?), apt-cache search -n php5 |
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| 11:58.03 | Octopssy | yea |
| 11:58.18 | Octopssy | i do |
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| 12:00.07 | HostilePenguin | my box says lenny/sid what is really going on? |
| 12:00.48 | peterS | HostilePenguin: you are running either lenny or sid |
| 12:00.50 | hark | unless you're on < lenny, that's ok |
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| 12:00.52 | stew | HostilePenguin: you are running either lenny (testing) or sid (unstable). since packages move from unstable to testing without changes, the base-files package will say both |
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| 12:02.16 | HostilePenguin | so bugless unstable packages are essentially testing packages thank you |
| 12:02.44 | peterS | 'bugless' is a bit of a simplification (and an exaggeration!) but yeah |
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| 12:02.54 | stew | HostilePenguin: where bugless refers only to release critical bugs |
| 12:03.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:03.06 | dpkg | * Guerin -> skool | <abrotman> where Guerin learns to control his irc client :) | <Guerin> amphi: i can control my irc client!!!1 |
| 12:03.06 | stew | that have been found |
| 12:03.29 | peterS | tarzeau: you don't have to say !qotd0 every day just because I told you to stop saying !popcon |
| 12:03.45 | tarzeau | peterS: but this one really was funny! |
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| 12:05.39 | aldin | i cant run firefox?!? it runs iceweasel |
| 12:05.46 | hark | heh, i wondered why he stopped that ;) |
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| 12:06.12 | aldin | just extracteg firefox2.003 ./firefox and it runs iceweasel |
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| 12:06.38 | hark | aldin: what's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 12:06.46 | stew | aldin: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
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| 12:07.09 | aldin | Hark i want firefox, nothing is wrong |
| 12:07.35 | stew | aldin: iceweasel is just firefox with the artwork changed (and someday it will also have security patches). |
| 12:07.44 | tarzeau | stew: only in debian |
| 12:07.48 | stew | aldin: if you really want the firefox artwork as well, download it directly from mozilla |
| 12:08.01 | stew | tarzeau: i'm pretty sure that is what he is talking about |
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| 12:08.29 | nadir | here please tell me what you think might cause this behavour, im totally confused, go to http://umai.eirtaku.com/ |
| 12:08.32 | hark | aldin: you can change the useragent too if you want to! |
| 12:08.37 | aldin | i did download it! and extracted and typed ./firefox to execute but i see iceweasel |
| 12:08.42 | nadir | it redirects indefinately ? |
| 12:08.52 | nadir | also try nirvash.eirtaku.com |
| 12:08.57 | peterS | aldin: I'm wondering how you can tell. it really is the same browser. |
| 12:09.10 | nadir | it seems to relink to umai.eirtaku.com even though i havnt stated anywhere to do so? |
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| 12:09.20 | stew | aldin: you are saying you downloaded firefox from mozilla.org and followed their install instructions? |
| 12:09.34 | aldin | stew yes |
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| 12:09.48 | markus_ | on etch, when i want to install sun java and ant using "aptitude install sun-java5-jdk ant" apt wants to install gcj also (gnu java compiler). is there a flag to prevent this? |
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| 12:10.26 | aldin | -rw-r--r-- 1 aldin aldin 9.3M 2007-03-20 08:27 firefox-2.0.0.3.tar.gz |
| 12:10.41 | aldin | aldin@debian:~/Desktop$ tar xzvf firefox-2.0.0.3.tar.gz |
| 12:10.48 | peterS | aldin: thank you for not pasting |
| 12:11.10 | aldin | it is not 10 lines only two of them and separated |
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| 12:11.22 | peterS | yeah but it looked like you were planning to continue with the rest of the installation |
| 12:11.36 | aldin | just wanted to say what i am doing as none understands |
| 12:11.44 | hark | markus_: -R probably |
| 12:11.57 | peterS | as a full install takes more than those two lines, I was just trying to prevent you from pasting the rest |
| 12:12.03 | aldin | peterS, hehe |
| 12:12.25 | tarzeau | has someone played slune yet? |
| 12:12.32 | aldin | look guys i cd to firefox and ./firefox it starts me again iceweasel !? |
| 12:12.45 | stew | markus_: it looks to me like what you are saying should be possible, sun-java5-jdk should depend on -jre which should satisfy ant's dependencies. i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend to see if you can convince it to do just what you want |
| 12:13.00 | aldin | could someone confirm or deny this? |
| 12:13.10 | tarzeau | aldin: i have mozilla firefox here |
| 12:13.16 | tarzeau | aldin: did you download and install firefox? |
| 12:13.26 | stew | aldin: what does "file ./firefox" say? it might be some wrapper that is finding your install of iceweasel |
| 12:13.27 | markus_ | stew: i cant use the frontend, i'm writing a script |
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| 12:13.44 | markus_ | hark, do i use the -R flag after the unwanted package name? |
| 12:13.54 | aldin | tarzeau, -rw-r--r-- 1 aldin aldin 9.3M 2007-03-20 08:27 firefox-2.0.0.3.tar.gz |
| 12:13.58 | aldin | tarzeau, binnaries |
| 12:14.25 | aldin | ./firefox doesnt says nothing, it just unclutch it and leaves terminal free |
| 12:14.27 | stew | darn, why doesn't pdo show you Provides: ? |
| 12:14.33 | aldin | aldin@debian:~/Desktop/firefox$ ./firefox |
| 12:14.33 | aldin | aldin@debian:~/Desktop/firefox$ |
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| 12:14.41 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 12:14.49 | hark | markus_: it's the same as --without-recommends. try it and see first |
| 12:15.01 | aldin | selam Ahmadinejad |
| 12:15.08 | Octopssy | Does anyone know how I can fix this: |
| 12:15.09 | Octopssy | http://www.pastebin.ca/455713 |
| 12:15.12 | markus_ | ah yes |
| 12:15.12 | Ahmadinejad | My Debian require that I insert my installation cd before it install... |
| 12:15.19 | markus_ | hark: that seems to do it, thanks a lot |
| 12:15.31 | Octopssy | I can't get apache properly installed anymore since i delled some files from the /etc/apache/ directory before un/re installing it |
| 12:15.44 | Ahmadinejad | I want it to download from internet... |
| 12:15.47 | hark | Ahmadinejad: remove the cd line from your sources.list |
| 12:15.48 | aldin | problem solved!!! |
| 12:15.55 | Ahmadinejad | So I get the newst verion. |
| 12:16.01 | aldin | i had one of iceweasel opened |
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| 12:16.04 | Ahmadinejad | I'll look at that. |
| 12:16.06 | aldin | after i closed it |
| 12:16.17 | aldin | firefox started and it asks me to import etc.. |
| 12:16.43 | Ahmadinejad | hark, do you remember the path? |
| 12:16.43 | hark | Ahmadinejad: /msg dpkg sources.list and /msg dpkg etch security .. to add internet sources |
| 12:16.56 | stew | Octopssy: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:17.04 | hark | Ahmadinejad: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:18.02 | hark | Octopssy: and do it with the apache-common package and not the apache one |
| 12:18.16 | Ahmadinejad | Hmm |
| 12:18.23 | Ahmadinejad | It dont let me modify |
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| 12:18.31 | hark | as root :) |
| 12:18.34 | Ahmadinejad | Maybe it need that i log in as root:P |
| 12:18.52 | aldin | guys, how could i have newer gnome? cause this one on etch has some probles when changing icons netmanager and batery status are all the time gnome - which i dont lik) |
| 12:19.00 | aldin | or could thsi be solved |
| 12:19.16 | Octopssy | thx guys |
| 12:19.22 | markus_ | hark: no, didn't help... apt still wants to pull gcj |
| 12:19.38 | Octopssy | hark/stew still get alot errors |
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| 12:19.58 | tarzeau | aldin: try ubuntu? |
| 12:20.02 | Ahmadinejad | How do i log in as root? |
| 12:20.21 | aldin | tarzeau, i have it |
| 12:20.47 | stew | Octopssy: have your files /etc/apache re-appeared? do you have an /etc/init.d/apache ? |
| 12:21.07 | Octopssy | stew: |
| 12:21.07 | Octopssy | bash: cd: /etc/apache: No such file or directory |
| 12:21.23 | Octopssy | bash: cd: /etc/init.d/apache: Not a directory |
| 12:21.27 | fengor | apache2 perhaps? |
| 12:21.32 | Octopssy | no |
| 12:21.34 | aldin | tarzeau, but would like to have nice looking GNOME on etch too |
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| 12:21.39 | hark | markus_: i just tried it.. all it installs is ant libjaxp1.3-java libxerces2-java |
| 12:21.44 | fengor | and why do you test file existance with cd? |
| 12:21.58 | Octopssy | dunno, typo, but it doesnt matter |
| 12:22.00 | Octopssy | the file is there |
| 12:22.03 | tarzeau | aldin: forget it, it looks ugly here too |
| 12:22.18 | markus_ | hark: i'm trying to install sun-java5-jdk now and install ant after that |
| 12:22.55 | stew | Octopssy: resinstall apache-common with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:23.03 | hark | aldin: there's a backport of 2.16 out though, by nobse. Not official but |
| 12:23.06 | Octopssy | stew: did |
| 12:23.09 | Octopssy | but alot erros |
| 12:23.13 | Octopssy | errors |
| 12:23.18 | stew | Octopssy: alternatively, purge apache-common and reinstall it (this would erase ANY apache configuration you have done) |
| 12:23.18 | markus_ | hark: this way it works |
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| 12:23.35 | markus_ | hark: but if i have them in one line, it would pull gcj |
| 12:23.43 | Octopssy | what cmd purge |
| 12:23.50 | aldin | hark, is it difficult to compile it? |
| 12:23.55 | aldin | 2.18 |
| 12:23.55 | hark | markus_: great :) though aptitude should have figured it out |
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| 12:24.21 | markus_ | hark: yes, that was what i thought.. is this something for a bugreport? |
| 12:24.23 | stew | markus_: you could also try "aptitude install ant sun-java5-jdk java-gcj-compat-" (the - at the end meaning remove) |
| 12:24.23 | Octopssy | nm stew |
| 12:24.23 | hark | aldin: yes, and you had trouble with firefox just now |
| 12:24.51 | Octopssy | stew: I did 'aptitude purge apache-common' |
| 12:24.53 | markus_ | stew: good to know, thanks |
| 12:24.54 | Octopssy | what now? |
| 12:25.04 | HostilePenguin | gnome looks great on etch |
| 12:25.05 | hark | aldin: better to go with Debian's packages. though nothing stiops you from installing it in say /opt |
| 12:25.05 | stew | Octopssy: aptitude install apache |
| 12:25.08 | aldin | hark, that was accident |
| 12:25.28 | aldin | didnt knew that iceweasel qwould block firefox hehe |
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| 12:25.45 | hark | yeah, damn profiles ;) |
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| 12:26.32 | fengor | hmm does anybody knows if there is a backport of ejabberd for sarge? |
| 12:26.33 | Octopssy | stew: doesn't work |
| 12:26.38 | Octopssy | get the same errors ;< |
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| 12:27.12 | Octopssy | http://www.pastebin.ca/455731 |
| 12:27.13 | fengor | oh got it |
| 12:27.16 | fengor | its even on the main site :( |
| 12:27.32 | talisker | is there any simple way to figure out which proc hogs the sound card? |
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| 12:27.45 | markus_ | stew: your versiond doesnt seem to work (the minus at the end) |
| 12:27.47 | wols | talisker: lsof |
| 12:27.51 | cahoot | fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 12:27.55 | stew | talisker: fuser /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/snd/* |
| 12:28.14 | stew | Octopssy: that is after purging apache-common? |
| 12:28.16 | markus_ | but doesnt matter, i'll fetch ant in an extra line |
| 12:28.48 | stew | markus_: wait, what happens with the - at the end? it still tries to install java-gcj-compat? |
| 12:28.53 | markus_ | yes |
| 12:29.15 | markus_ | it makes no difference |
| 12:29.34 | stew | hrm |
| 12:29.34 | Ahmadinejad | How do i log in as root? |
| 12:29.55 | stew | Ahmadinejad: into x? |
| 12:30.21 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 12:30.22 | stew | Ahmadinejad: don't login as root, use sudo or su to do things as root in one particular terminal |
| 12:30.33 | Ahmadinejad | just so i can change the source.slist |
| 12:31.03 | aldin | Ahmadinejad: su |
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| 12:31.06 | markus_ | use sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:31.16 | stew | Ahmadinejad: start a terminal, type su ; it will prompt for your root password and give you a shell as root, then run 'sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list" |
| 12:31.22 | markus_ | or sudo su if you want to do more stuff (which i'd not recommend if you don't know how to log in as root) |
| 12:31.25 | stew | markus_: what do you think the chances are that he has sudo setup |
| 12:31.29 | aldin | markus_, he cant use sude before he adds himself to sudoers? |
| 12:31.30 | Ahmadinejad | ok |
| 12:31.43 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, for now, do 'su' |
| 12:32.03 | Ahmadinejad | Ctrl+S for save? |
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| 12:32.33 | humbolto | how can I play a sound file through gstreamer from the console? |
| 12:32.38 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, which editor is it 'nano' |
| 12:32.43 | stew | Ahmadinejad: i doubt it, what editor are you using? likely you are using nano and it is ctrl-x to exit, which will prompt you to save |
| 12:32.47 | Ahmadinejad | i typed: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:32.56 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, if nano ctrl+O (not null) |
| 12:33.00 | AigleNoir | Hello :-) |
| 12:33.26 | Octopssy | thanks stew, works now |
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| 12:33.57 | ttz | hi there ! |
| 12:34.22 | Ahmadinejad | nothings is saved:( |
| 12:34.43 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, listen do this |
| 12:34.49 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, first 'su' |
| 12:35.03 | aldin | then 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 12:35.31 | aldin | to save type ctrl + o (letter O) |
| 12:35.41 | aldin | to exit ctrl + x |
| 12:36.09 | ootput | is there an rss feed of updated etch packages? |
| 12:36.16 | aldin | u have down there agenda ctrl is "joker" |
| 12:36.21 | ootput | which would save me from doing a weekly apt-get update? |
| 12:36.40 | aldin | ^X says ctrl +X |
| 12:36.47 | Ahmadinejad | aldin: Thanks |
| 12:36.51 | Ahmadinejad | do i have to reboot? |
| 12:36.55 | Ahmadinejad | or something? |
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| 12:37.10 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, 'apt-get update' |
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| 12:40.06 | ttz | I've downloaded Linux kernel 2.6.19.7, patched it with grsecurity and skas. Now I want to create a Debian package with make-kpkg. This works quite will except the name of the generated kernel is puzzling (kernel version twice) : linux-image-2.6.19.7_2.6.19.7-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
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| 12:40.31 | bolt | I'm trying to install network-manager-gnome, and this is what I get "network-manager-gnome: Depends: libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.13.0) but it is not going to be installed" " Depends: libpanel-applet2-0 (>= 2.14.3) but it is not going to be installed". I only have the default etch lines in my sources.list. What could be wrong? |
| 12:41.05 | tarzeau | bolt: it's not a fresh installation? |
| 12:41.16 | bolt | tarzeau: it is |
| 12:41.27 | bolt | tarzeau: well, pretty much. about a week old |
| 12:41.32 | doudou | Hi, my iceweasel does not save pictures, i saw save as windows, but i can find pictures with ls. why? how can i read cache files of firefox? |
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| 12:41.45 | tarzeau | ttz: you didn't say -rev LOL.1 --append_to_version -1 |
| 12:41.55 | tarzeau | bolt: and only etch, no mix? |
| 12:42.05 | aldin | can this be fixed in 2.14.3 ? http://kapetano.dyndns.org/gnome.png these netmanager and batery icons are not changed when changin iconset? |
| 12:42.14 | talisker | was mkisofs also replaced? |
| 12:42.15 | azeem | bolt: run apt-get install libgnomeui-0 |
| 12:43.52 | aldin | ttz, 'make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image' worked for me |
| 12:43.52 | bolt | azeem: that results in a bunch of the same lines |
| 12:43.52 | tarzeau | doudou: they should be in ~/.firefox/ |
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| 12:43.52 | aldin | ttz, before half hour |
| 12:43.52 | bolt | This is the only package where I've seen this problem |
| 12:43.53 | azeem | bolt: keep doing that until you hit the real error |
| 12:43.53 | bolt | tarzeau: no mix, as far as I know |
| 12:43.53 | aldin | hark, http://kapetano.dyndns.org/gnome.png |
| 12:43.53 | markus_ | yay, my open-xchange installer script worked... now i wonder if apt resolves the dependencies correctly when i compile a deb package |
| 12:43.54 | doudou | tarzeau, yes i found cache directory in .firefox/ .../Cache, but files are crypted |
| 12:43.56 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, status? |
| 12:43.58 | ttz | thanks tarzeau, aldin |
| 12:44.12 | aldin | ttz, np |
| 12:44.16 | Ahmadinejad | I have done that. |
| 12:44.23 | Ahmadinejad | But I havnt tested yet. |
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| 12:44.43 | aldin | Ahmadinejad, was it downlaodin is it fetched somethin |
| 12:45.11 | ttz | aldin: however, I'm not sure what I should use --initrd (although I've already the manpage)... |
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| 12:45.53 | tarzeau | doudou: crypted? |
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| 12:45.59 | aldin | ttz, use it, it will build automatically initrd, i tried without it and build even extr into kernel but had kernel panic |
| 12:46.01 | earthian | hello, what software is best to make coplex diagrams out of some excel like data? |
| 12:46.03 | tarzeau | doudou: the filenames are, yes. just say feh * or file * |
| 12:46.08 | aldin | so i recommend ---initrd |
| 12:46.20 | earthian | it seems that openoffice.org calc is not wnough :/ |
| 12:46.22 | aldin | *ext3 |
| 12:46.23 | earthian | enough* |
| 12:46.37 | tarzeau | aldin: initrd or not depends on the kernel configuration |
| 12:46.46 | ttz | aldin: ah, ok :) |
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| 12:47.51 | aldin | tarzeau, http://kapetano.dyndns.org/gnome.png can u watch this |
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| 12:48.06 | tarzeau | aldin: yes |
| 12:48.21 | aldin | tarzeau, how cani fix this netmanager and batery icons? |
| 12:48.22 | talisker | What's the name of the CDrecord clone again? |
| 12:48.28 | Dave2 | wodim |
| 12:48.33 | aldin | tarzeau, it wont change when changing icon set |
| 12:48.38 | Dave2 | and s/clone/fork |
| 12:49.00 | jethro | I'd have been surprised if someone cloned that steaming pile of shit |
| 12:49.04 | aldin | ttz, to install new kernel do dpkg -i ../.. |
| 12:49.12 | aldin | cause it is in upper directory |
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| 12:49.26 | doudou | tarzeau, cache files are cached in a strucure like _CACHE_MAP and C85CFFFFd01 like files, how do i read this stuff? |
| 12:49.27 | ttz | aldin: I know this, thanks |
| 12:49.37 | aldin | ttz, ok, good |
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| 12:49.43 | jethro | ttz: to go to the upper directory, so cd .. |
| 12:49.46 | tarzeau | aldin: no idea |
| 12:49.57 | jethro | s/so/do/ |
| 12:49.57 | aldin | tarzeau, perhaps old GNOME? |
| 12:49.58 | ttz | jethro: GFY :-) |
| 12:50.00 | tarzeau | doudou: try file * ? |
| 12:50.10 | jethro | ttz: heh |
| 12:50.18 | hark | aldin: moment |
| 12:50.21 | tarzeau | aldin: no idea really. i don't like gnome, i don't use gnome. you could try removing your old .gtk* and .gnome* files in your ~ |
| 12:50.45 | aldin | tarzeau, i did it even logout etc nothing |
| 12:50.58 | aldin | Hark ok |
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| 12:51.26 | Octopssy | stew: Now i installed the libapache-mod-php5 package, are there more things that I need to install? |
| 12:51.30 | Octopssy | to get PHP working |
| 12:52.16 | fireba11 | no, just make sure its enabled |
| 12:52.32 | doudou | tarzeau, i dont understand what you mean, cache is many files coded as i told you, pictures are kept into, how do i convert this stucture to normal files? there is a sharewhare under windows named cacheVue |
| 12:52.53 | aldin | Octopssy, if u install 'apt-get install php5' and type 'localhost' in ur browser it is enoguh |
| 12:53.09 | doudou | tarzeau, what do you mean with try file * ? |
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| 12:53.14 | Octopssy | ok, but when I do apt-get install php5 it auto refers to apache2 |
| 12:53.20 | tarzeau | doudou: you can say mv 7896FKJH some.jpg |
| 12:53.21 | Octopssy | not to 1, the one i'm running.. |
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| 12:53.59 | aldin | i can do fglrxinfo but not glxgears anyone knows why? |
| 12:54.19 | aldin | compiled ati.com drivers though |
| 12:54.28 | Octopssy | Any idea aldin? |
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| 12:54.40 | hark | because it's not installed? |
| 12:54.45 | fengor | did you install mesa-utils aldin ? |
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| 12:54.51 | aldin | Octopssy, that is point hehe it will pull the right one apache |
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| 12:55.00 | aldin | fengor, just sec to see |
| 12:55.01 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:55.03 | bolt | what the hey |
| 12:55.08 | Octopssy | yes, but isn't it possible to install it for apache1? |
| 12:55.13 | hark | !tell Octopssy -about install php |
| 12:55.19 | fireba11 | Octopssy: you on sarge ? |
| 12:55.23 | Octopssy | etcj |
| 12:55.25 | Octopssy | etch* |
| 12:55.41 | fireba11 | Octopssy: upgrade to apache2 already ^^ |
| 12:55.47 | Octopssy | okay |
| 12:55.50 | Octopssy | one sec |
| 12:55.52 | Octopssy | well |
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| 12:55.57 | fireba11 | also you can install libapache-mod-php5 of course |
| 12:56.03 | Octopssy | yes i did that |
| 12:56.09 | aldin | fengor, thanks a lot it works now! |
| 12:56.15 | Octopssy | is that the only thing I need to do to get it working on 1 ? |
| 12:56.23 | Octopssy | or is apache1 alot less reliable than 2 ? |
| 12:56.25 | fireba11 | Octopssy: you need to enable it in apache config then .. the alzy version only works with apache2 |
| 12:56.28 | hark | aldin: ok, what is wrong with it? |
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| 12:56.42 | petemc | Octopssy: its all but deprecated now |
| 12:56.46 | aldin | hark, u see screenshot http://kapetano.dyndns.org/gnome.png |
| 12:56.55 | hark | yes |
| 12:57.01 | Octopssy | okay will wipe it then |
| 12:57.05 | aldin | these two icons wont change if i set let say nuovext icons set |
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| 12:57.21 | azeem | bolt: post the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-l10n-nb" to a pastebin |
| 12:57.22 | azeem | !paste |
| 12:57.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:57.24 | Octopssy | which packages i need to install for apache2 ? |
| 12:57.31 | fireba11 | dang . .waht's it today .. parts of the itnernet are really slow today |
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| 12:57.49 | fireba11 | Octopssy: just do apt-get install apache2 |
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| 12:58.05 | aldin | hark battery and neworkmanager |
| 12:58.20 | doudou | tarzeau, does not work, the 78945GHJ file contains something else into it, maybe only part of a file, maybe more than one file, probably some information more too, i need a tools or exact explanation of how files are written |
| 12:58.21 | Octopssy | fireba11, i mean, h |
| 12:58.32 | Octopssy | all settings are set on one, and it auto starts etc |
| 12:58.35 | tarzeau | doudou: try file 78945GHJ |
| 12:58.43 | tarzeau | doudou: file will tell you what it contains |
| 12:58.47 | Octopssy | how do I remove that |
| 12:58.47 | Peanut | Hi all - I'm doing research on TCP stacks. Does anyone know how I can read/set kernel module parameters such as those for tcp_bic, 'initial_ssthresh' ? (Debian Etch) |
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| 12:58.53 | tarzeau | doudou: you might need to apt-get install file |
| 12:59.16 | doudou | tarzeau, i tried like you said mv 78945JHG test.jpg and then open test.jpg without success |
| 12:59.20 | fireba11 | Octopssy: it will be set up to start etc. but config changes you need to convert manually, that's the reason why it's not upgraded automagically |
| 12:59.21 | aldin | hark? |
| 12:59.38 | tarzeau | doudou: 78945JHG was just an example filename, i can not access your ~/.firefox/ |
| 12:59.56 | Octopssy | so, what ill need to do more now is disable apache only? |
| 12:59.58 | Octopssy | (1) |
| 13:00.18 | fireba11 | Octopssy: it should be automatically be removed altogether |
| 13:00.21 | hark | aldin: hmm, dunno realy. depends on the icon theme? |
| 13:00.33 | Octopssy | ok |
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| 13:01.03 | Octopssy | fireba11: Without removing apache1 itself? |
| 13:01.21 | fireba11 | Octopssy: apt-get install apache2 should tell you it removes apache (1) ... |
| 13:01.33 | Octopssy | ok great |
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| 13:02.35 | doudou | tarzeau, i got what you meant, i open my test.jpg with vi and saw a simple file |
| 13:02.46 | Octopssy | fireba11: Any more things I need to edit to get php5 working? |
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| 13:03.02 | aldin_ | hark? |
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| 13:03.30 | petemc | Octopssy: there are countles guides to setting up php and apache |
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| 13:03.46 | fireba11 | Octopssy: usually not .. apache2 got a folder for modules and another folder for enabled modules .. it should be symlinked in there automatically |
| 13:03.59 | hark | aldin_? |
| 13:04.12 | tarzeau | doudou: and if you open your file with file? |
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| 13:04.17 | tarzeau | doudou: file test.jpg says what? |
| 13:04.17 | hark | Octopssy: didn't you read what dpkg said? |
| 13:04.22 | Octopssy | yes |
| 13:04.27 | aldin_ | i think i lost connection have u answred me on "icons" issue? |
| 13:04.51 | doudou | tarzeau, it is prototype |
| 13:05.08 | hark | aldin: hmm, dunno really. depends on the icon theme? |
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| 13:05.36 | aldin_ | hark no these two are "hard" ones |
| 13:05.44 | aldin_ | can u try at ur sys? |
| 13:05.47 | doudou | tarzeau, some other files are unreadables, maybe pictures, i must test all to find what i need? |
| 13:05.48 | raf256 | hwo to set default editros to vim not vi |
| 13:06.14 | tarzeau | doudou: maybe, what are you looking for anyways? |
| 13:06.16 | Octopssy | well, still seems PHP ain't working, when I put index.php file i.e. in var/www browser still saves file |
| 13:06.19 | hark | update-alternatives --config editor |
| 13:06.20 | tarzeau | raf256: EDITOR=vim |
| 13:06.22 | Octopssy | thats why I was wondering |
| 13:06.24 | raf256 | tarzeau: where |
| 13:06.31 | tarzeau | raf256: for you or all on the system? |
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| 13:06.45 | raf256 | tarzeau: yes |
| 13:06.46 | tarzeau | raf256: .zshrc or .bashrc in ~ if it's just for you |
| 13:06.49 | raf256 | who woul use vi anyway |
| 13:06.55 | tarzeau | raf256: me. i hate vim |
| 13:07.02 | nn-main | an app im using is complaneing about ipv6 |
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| 13:07.03 | aldin_ | Octopssy, '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' |
| 13:07.04 | raf256 | wherent there like omething-reconfigure-alternatives-something ? |
| 13:07.05 | tarzeau | raf256: but then i prefer mcedit or emacs over vi* |
| 13:07.10 | aldin_ | Octopssy, as root 'su' |
| 13:07.11 | nn-main | how do i fix this |
| 13:07.18 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/88748 |
| 13:07.24 | petemc | raf256: you're sure what you think is vi isnt vim already? |
| 13:07.26 | cydork | raf256: you mean update-alternatives --config editor ?? |
| 13:07.29 | doudou | tarzeau, i am looking into my cache!! what do you want to look on what i am looking? |
| 13:07.34 | raf256 | thx cydork |
| 13:07.52 | tarzeau | doudou: no idea, you just look there because you are bored? |
| 13:08.07 | Octopssy | aldin_: Did that |
| 13:08.12 | Octopssy | but still apache running |
| 13:08.15 | Octopssy | in stead of 2 |
| 13:08.23 | Octopssy | www-data 3254 0.0 0.1 32312 1444 ? S 15:02 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache etc |
| 13:08.29 | doudou | tarzeau, i saw a picture, have not been able to save it, it is in the cache, want to save it |
| 13:08.49 | Octopssy | That's why I said, don't think it automatically removes apache1 with running etc |
| 13:08.57 | tarzeau | doudou: try feh -i Cache/* |
| 13:09.02 | aldin_ | stop apache /etc/init/apache stop |
| 13:09.07 | tarzeau | doudou: it'll make you an overview of all pictures |
| 13:09.27 | aldin_ | * /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 13:09.28 | doudou | tarzeau, yes i am bored with people that imagine that MY COMPUTER is part of their property |
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| 13:09.55 | stew | raf256: if you want "vi" to run "vim", "update-alternatives --auto vim" |
| 13:10.07 | Octopssy | aldin_: Still apache2 can't start it |
| 13:10.09 | tarzeau | doudou: who do you mean? |
| 13:10.16 | doudou | tarzeau, because i must admit to share part of my computer, but not doing so without be awared |
| 13:10.17 | Octopssy | and when I reboot it still runs apache1 automatically |
| 13:10.24 | nn-main | how do i set ipv6_binds_v4 |
| 13:10.30 | raf256 | stew: thanks |
| 13:10.33 | tarzeau | doudou: do you run popularity-contest ? |
| 13:10.38 | aldin_ | Octopssy, go to synaptic and remove apache1? |
| 13:11.09 | Octopssy | ok |
| 13:11.44 | stew | Octopssy: you don't have to remove apache1 to use apache2, you either have to have them on different ports or different ips, or you have to stop apache before apache2 |
| 13:12.18 | doudou | tarzeau, i am not english, so i understand only 75% of what is said, popularity-constest is in my 25% |
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| 13:12.20 | stew | Octopssy: if you don't intend on using apache, you might as well remove it though |
| 13:12.23 | sandman | Good morning |
| 13:12.32 | aldin_ | stew save him of trouble, do u follow his messages |
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| 13:13.24 | doudou | tarzeau, what is feh??? |
| 13:13.28 | aldin_ | sandman, 3:13 PM Europe? hehe |
| 13:13.35 | tarzeau | doudou: feh (1) - image viewer and cataloguer |
| 13:13.46 | Octopssy | stew: I guess i don't need it, so can I just apt-get remove it? |
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| 13:14.19 | doudou | tarzeau, cant find a program able to convert my cache to normal files? |
| 13:14.29 | tarzeau | doudou: i don't think so |
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| 13:14.55 | doudou | tarzeau, http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1832 |
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| 13:15.48 | talisker | how do I make something a wrote a man page? |
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| 13:16.10 | liable | eh? |
| 13:16.32 | tarzeau | doudou: interesting, but i don't care |
| 13:16.36 | tarzeau | doudou: i'd just surf to the url again |
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| 13:16.45 | talisker | liable, I wrote a file with a list of aliases I use when connecting through VNC, and their purpose |
| 13:16.46 | tarzeau | talisker: write a man page? |
| 13:16.55 | talisker | I'd like it to show whenever I do man vnckeyhelp |
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| 13:17.20 | aldin_ | talisein, why colors in vncviewer are sometimes bad sometimes not? |
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| 13:17.42 | talisker | aldin_, I don't connect to VNC, I serve VNC |
| 13:17.58 | aldin_ | ok, how are ur colors? |
| 13:18.03 | aldin_ | can u give me IP |
| 13:18.06 | aldin_ | to try it |
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| 13:19.42 | talisker | Nope, sorry :) |
| 13:19.48 | aldin_ | talisein, np |
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| 13:20.04 | Octopssy | stew/aldin_: I just removed apache and apache-common. Now I restarted, and get this msg at start: "/usr/sbin/apache is not executable, not starting/reloading... failed!" |
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| 13:20.09 | Octopssy | Any idea how come? |
| 13:20.29 | liable | talisker: man pages are in/usr/share/man..but i dunno how to get around mandb from whining about it |
| 13:20.41 | talisker | OK, thanks |
| 13:20.47 | stew | Octopssy: "update-rc.d -f apache remove" will stop your init from trying to start it at boot |
| 13:20.58 | talisker | Octopssy, are you running it as root? |
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| 13:21.06 | jethro | hi. I'm trying to setup chrooted scponly accounts on debian etch. For that, I use /usr/share/doc/scponly/setup_chroot/setup_chroot.sh.gz, as documented by debian. Once the chroot is setup, I try to login using the scponlyc account, but it won't let me. nothing in the logs, even though I raise scponly's debuglevel. has this package been QA'ed at all? should I file a bug? or am I the only one unable to get it working? |
| 13:21.23 | Octopssy | talisker: yes |
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| 13:22.54 | aldin_ | Octopssy, 'dpkg -l |grep apache' ? |
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| 13:24.03 | aldin_ | how do i install XGL on debian 4.0 ? |
| 13:24.19 | aldin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.31 | Octopssy | aldin_: for apache/apache-common marked rc |
| 13:24.35 | Octopssy | and apache2 things ii |
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| 13:24.39 | nevyn | why is storage such a difficult problem to solve. |
| 13:24.41 | Octopssy | although it doesnt start at startup |
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| 13:24.53 | tarzeau | nevyn: how? |
| 13:24.59 | aldin_ | Octopssy, apt-get remove apache |
| 13:25.09 | liable | aldin_: not easily |
| 13:25.17 | nevyn | 50+% of the cost of provisioning storage is having a sensible place to put it. |
| 13:25.23 | aldin_ | liable, u mean on XGL? |
| 13:25.28 | liable | aldin_: see the neryl-projext wiki |
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| 13:25.45 | aldin_ | liable, was there.. |
| 13:25.47 | liable | beryl |
| 13:25.56 | aldin_ | liable, no xgl in debian repos? |
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| 13:26.03 | dmilith | aldin_: not yet. |
| 13:26.03 | Octopssy | aldin_: done |
| 13:26.04 | stew | aldin_: debian doesn't ship xgl, but the xorg in 4.0 supports AIGLX and it is able to run compiz which is also in 4.0 |
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| 13:26.20 | nevyn | to provision a sata port and a 3.5" bay costs about half the cost of the 500GB disk to go in it. |
| 13:26.20 | dmilith | stew: but compiz.. sucks |
| 13:26.23 | Octopssy | aldin_: but still no apache2 at start |
| 13:26.24 | mark_s | hi, I cannot find Information how to install jre for amd 64 on etch? |
| 13:26.26 | liable | yes, but no newer ati cards do aiglx |
| 13:26.52 | aldin_ | Octopssy, apt-get install --reinstall php5 apache2 |
| 13:26.53 | stew | dmilith: i don't know why you are telling me this |
| 13:26.57 | liable | dmilith: whats wrong with compiz? |
| 13:26.59 | nevyn | tarzeau: trying to solve the "myth is out of space" problem |
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| 13:28.34 | streuner | Doesn't beryl and compiz work now together? |
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| 13:28.54 | liable | soon to be merged apparently |
| 13:28.56 | streuner | so the statement was pretty nonsense |
| 13:29.03 | aldin_ | streuner, yes but not exaclty together... |
| 13:29.08 | aldin_ | still separated |
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| 13:30.19 | dmilith | liable: it makes my machine work sloooooooower.. i need to wait a 2 sec sometimes between switching desktop for example |
| 13:30.24 | liable | aldin_: compiling xgl isnt that hard, its just working out how to do it with the very outdated docs at freedesktop.org |
| 13:30.37 | dmilith | stew: ;} ok. sorry |
| 13:30.43 | liable | dmilith: worked perfectly here for months, and that was last year |
| 13:30.43 | Octopssy | aldin_: ok done, but still apache2 doesnt start at boot |
| 13:31.32 | Octopssy | Any idea how come? |
| 13:31.39 | aldin_ | Octopssy, what says '/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload' |
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| 13:32.16 | aldin_ | liable, i wonder why noone compiled it for 'contrib' section |
| 13:32.18 | Octopssy | nothing, it's not started |
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| 13:32.40 | stew | aldin_: there would be no reason to put it in contrib instead of main, it does not depend on any non-free software |
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| 13:33.11 | aldin_ | stew, ah, that is now more "wonder" than before... |
| 13:33.20 | stew | aldin_: huh? |
| 13:34.06 | Octopssy | Any idea how come it doesn't start |
| 13:34.11 | aldin_ | stew, now i am wondering more than before minute ago... cause if it is free software and ppl (ati cards) are interested in desktop effects |
| 13:34.19 | stew | Octopssy: check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 13:34.26 | liable | aldin_: xstrikeforce say they dont make it due to being beta, which sounds like crap to me |
| 13:34.28 | aldin_ | Octopssy, really dont know |
| 13:34.49 | Octopssy | stew: It's empty |
| 13:35.02 | aldin_ | liable, BETA?!?! |
| 13:35.08 | stew | aldin_: packaging it would be a huge task. the people that package the current xservers in debian (who are the ones that would have the skill to do so) do not think that is worthwhile, since we have aiglx |
| 13:35.10 | aldin_ | liable, craps |
| 13:35.29 | aldin_ | stew, they could import ubuntu ones? |
| 13:35.35 | stew | aldin_: and XGL hasn't yet been release last i checked. and it depends on cvs versions of other libraries like glitz which would be problematic |
| 13:36.06 | stew | aldin_: not until someone steps up and is willing to be the debian maintainer |
| 13:36.15 | liable | theres actually debs for glitx at the glitz authers site these days |
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| 13:36.17 | aldin_ | Octopssy, reboot and see if it is working |
| 13:36.24 | stew | Octopssy: do you get an error message when you run "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart"? |
| 13:36.30 | stew | Octopssy: there is no reason to reboot |
| 13:36.32 | Octopssy | no, not at all |
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| 13:36.37 | Octopssy | already tried to reboot |
| 13:37.02 | stew | Octopssy: does "netstat -plant | grep :80" return anything? |
| 13:37.09 | Octopssy | no |
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| 13:37.26 | JediMaster | hi guys |
| 13:37.26 | stew | Octopssy: did you edit /etc/default/apache2 ? |
| 13:37.44 | Octopssy | no |
| 13:37.45 | stew | Octopssy: you should have NO_START=0 in there |
| 13:38.03 | Octopssy | it was 1 |
| 13:38.05 | Octopssy | now 0 :) |
| 13:38.23 | bolt | I'm running xserver-xorg and fluxbox. I am trying to get network-manager-gnome to run, but apparently it's supposed to sit in the systray, which I don't have. How can I get a systray on fluxbox? |
| 13:38.26 | Octopssy | Probably still on 1 since I was running apache1 while installing apache2 |
| 13:38.29 | stew | hmm, it should have told him if that was the problem |
| 13:38.48 | JediMaster | I'm having problems upgrading a machine from kernel 2.4.27 to 2.6.x, and I believe it's because it's running the root partition on raid on two SATA drives, might have something to do with the way 2.4 and 2.6 treat SATA drives? |
| 13:39.30 | nevyn | JediMaster: using a raid controller? |
| 13:39.40 | JediMaster | no, software raid |
| 13:40.06 | stew | JediMaster: sata drives change from /dev/hdX to /dev/sdX when moving from 2.4 to 2.6 |
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| 13:40.29 | plb | eh there stew how's life out there in brooklyn ;] |
| 13:40.34 | stew | hot |
| 13:40.37 | plb | ha |
| 13:40.40 | plb | was just about to say that |
| 13:40.42 | JediMaster | nevyn: it has a boot option for root=/dev/md0 |
| 13:40.46 | Pobega | Hey plb. |
| 13:40.54 | plb | hey podega |
| 13:40.55 | nevyn | JediMaster: software raid |
| 13:40.57 | JediMaster | stew: yes, I thought so, I've had this problem a year ago |
| 13:41.00 | plb | didn't know you came here |
| 13:41.04 | Pobega | Invert the d and you're right. |
| 13:41.09 | plb | heh |
| 13:41.13 | Pobega | Eh, I haven't lately. Sometimes I'm too lazy. |
| 13:41.25 | plb | so I ditched Ubuntu off this box and am on Lenny yay |
| 13:41.32 | JediMaster | how do you change the software raid to look at sdX instead? |
| 13:41.34 | Octopssy | stew/aldin_: Works now, thanks for ur help |
| 13:41.47 | Pobega | Lenny's been pretty smooth sailing so far, I've gotta say. Hopefully it doesn't change anytime soon. |
| 13:42.07 | stew | Octopssy: if you install libapache2-mod-php5, you'll need to run 'a2enmod php5' to enable it |
| 13:42.10 | plb | yeah it's a safe medium between stable/unstable ;] |
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| 13:42.24 | irule | hi there, I installed etch on a motherboard elitegroup p4m800pro-m and it did not recognize the nic, sarge did recognize it propperly so I never gave it a second thought, how can I make it work? btw ifconfig eth0 [IP] says there is no such device :s |
| 13:42.29 | stew | just wait until the first major transition hits lenny... |
| 13:42.37 | plb | heh |
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| 13:42.50 | Pobega | Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for. Then I'll be crying :( |
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| 13:42.57 | plb | stew: Pobega is also on staten island |
| 13:42.59 | stew | irule: what nic is it? |
| 13:43.25 | Octopssy | stew: These are installe |
| 13:43.27 | Octopssy | http://www.pastebin.ca/455792 |
| 13:43.29 | Octopssy | installed* |
| 13:43.47 | irule | stew lspci says nothing, I dont know |
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| 13:44.15 | stew | irule: it says nothing like, nothing? or just you don't see an ethernet card in the output? |
| 13:44.21 | Octopssy | stew: |
| 13:44.22 | Octopssy | http://www.pastebin.ca/455795 |
| 13:44.24 | JediMaster | stew: any ideas how to get the software raid to look at the scsi devices instead? |
| 13:44.38 | Octopssy | I get those errors when installing libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:44.40 | stew | JediMaster: i'm not the one to ask about software raid, i don't use it |
| 13:44.46 | JediMaster | ok |
| 13:44.51 | JediMaster | anyone else? =) |
| 13:44.55 | nevyn | JediMaster: that's not the problem |
| 13:45.09 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:45.11 | nevyn | oh |
| 13:45.11 | stew | Octopssy: I don't see any errors, only warnings, everything looks fine |
| 13:45.13 | irule | stew it has many via bridge things, but 'lspci | grep ther' says zilch |
| 13:45.14 | nevyn | /etc/mdmadm |
| 13:45.20 | JediMaster | nevyn: mdadm.conf has hda1 and hdd1 |
| 13:45.32 | stew | irule: put the output of "lspci -n" into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:45.37 | Octopssy | ok |
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| 13:46.04 | nevyn | change to sda1 and sdb2 if the driver under 2.6 uses libata and presents them as scsi |
| 13:46.20 | JediMaster | nevyn: luckily I have remote serial console access, so I've managed to copy/paste the kernel output, it's now sda and sdd |
| 13:46.26 | nevyn | right |
| 13:46.28 | jotand | irule: more /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 13:46.40 | plb | hm rtorrent is kinda nice |
| 13:46.41 | nevyn | JediMaster: that should get you rolling again |
| 13:47.00 | JediMaster | nevyn: so literally just change /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf to sda/sdd and reboot? |
| 13:47.15 | Pobega | plb: Of course it is. Terminal programs are usually nicer than their graphical counterparts. |
| 13:47.39 | plb | yeah usually ;] |
| 13:47.42 | nevyn | JediMaster: should do it. |
| 13:48.03 | nevyn | hrm |
| 13:48.06 | JediMaster | nevyn: and if that fails and I need to get back into 2.4.27 can I just put root=/dev/hda1 instead of /dev/md0 and boot from one disk of the raid? |
| 13:48.08 | nevyn | how remote is this system |
| 13:48.18 | JediMaster | it's the other side of london from here |
| 13:48.26 | JediMaster | I can get there in about 30 min if I have to |
| 13:48.34 | nevyn | that's ok |
| 13:48.51 | nevyn | as long as it's not the other side of the planet and there's nobody awake there :) |
| 13:48.55 | irule | jotand lo is alone in there |
| 13:49.14 | nevyn | JediMaster: you should be able to boot off one half of the array if nessicary |
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| 13:49.44 | Trentster | hey all, I want to mount an nfs share on a nas device, how can i do this as a normal user, as the user root does not have a login on the nas device and the system tells me only root can use the mount command any ideas? |
| 13:49.59 | jotand | irule: lspci does not show any network controller? yours a pci plug-in card? |
| 13:50.22 | irule | jotand integrated into the mobo p4m800pro-m |
| 13:50.32 | JediMaster | nevyn: that's what I thought, thanks |
| 13:50.39 | nevyn | Trentster: umm.. the nas device probably isn't that flexible |
| 13:50.43 | jotand | irule: but its a pci device? |
| 13:50.56 | nevyn | Trentster: you might get lucky and it has sudo or something? |
| 13:51.14 | doudou | tarzeau, feh can see most of pictures but not the one i search |
| 13:51.19 | irule | dont know jotand, it just worked on sarge so I never troubledhooted it |
| 13:51.30 | stew | irule: do you know what driver you were using in sarge? |
| 13:51.36 | stew | irule: can you post the output of lspci -n? |
| 13:51.56 | doudou | tarzeau, about:cache can see it, i and can recall it from the cache, but unable to know where it is in the cache |
| 13:52.55 | irule | no idea stew, -n says a million nubers and with no nic I would need to type all that! :s can you just tell me what numbers to look for? hehe |
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| 13:54.12 | irule | doesnt debian have some sort of network wizard that may do everything for me plus the kitchen sink? |
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| 13:54.34 | Trentster | nevyn, how will sudo help? |
| 13:54.37 | JediMaster | nevyn: just noticed, hda is sda in 2.6 boot log, but hdd is sdb rather than sdd, any idea why? |
| 13:54.38 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, why I'm unable to print from console and some apps like evince? but I'm able to print from OOo |
| 13:54.48 | stew | irule: 'lspci -n | egrep 0680\|0200' |
| 13:54.52 | nevyn | JediMaster: disk enumeration changed.. |
| 13:55.01 | nevyn | JediMaster: are these PATA disks? |
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| 13:55.05 | zapalotta | hello |
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| 13:55.16 | stew | irule: and in that i'd oly be interested in the 3rd column, something like 8086:202e |
| 13:55.25 | zapalotta | does anybody have experience with debian on a FujitsuSiemens TX150 S3 SATA? |
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| 13:55.35 | lupine_85 | JediMaster: libata probably doesn't respect primary/secondary master/slave distinctions |
| 13:55.38 | jotand | irule: how are you connected to the Net now? |
| 13:55.38 | nevyn | Trentster: well if you have sudo and some sort of admin account it can run things as root... |
| 13:55.52 | zapalotta | FS only supports RH and SuSE officially, but I'd like to use Deb |
| 13:55.57 | irule | jotand another pc |
| 13:55.57 | nevyn | lupine_85: disregarding them as the irrelevant technicality they are. |
| 13:56.12 | Trentster | nevyn, thanks i will try it |
| 13:56.18 | lupine_85 | well, if you like |
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| 13:56.27 | tarzeau | zapalotta: try it. |
| 13:56.32 | nevyn | JediMaster: btw if you don't have something plugged in to the secondary master your IDE is non compliant with the ATAPI spec |
| 13:56.37 | tarzeau | zapalotta: if another linux runs, chances are, debian will too |
| 13:56.40 | nevyn | strictly speaking.... |
| 13:56.42 | irule | stew no response at all |
| 13:56.55 | irule | should I install sarge just to know what it detected? |
| 13:56.57 | tarzeau | zapalotta: worst case you'll have to use your own kernel (during install/running) |
| 13:57.28 | nevyn | lupine_85: well.. the enumeration system has no business.. hrm no I like it when enumeration let's me know where things are physically.. it;s a good thing now you |
| 13:57.34 | nevyn | 've gone and confused me |
| 13:57.39 | zapalotta | tarzeau: well, actually, my time is a bit limited. I'll try it, but if somebody says "forget it, doesn't work because of FOO" or "worked for me, though it was a mess getting the fan controll running" etc. it would be helpful |
| 13:57.40 | bolt | the nm-applet with network-manager-gnome keeps asking for my passphrase each time I log on to the wireless network. How can I make it save the password? |
| 13:57.52 | nevyn | 10 gigabit nic's in a system will do your head in on intel |
| 13:57.58 | nevyn | it's ok on sparc tho ;) |
| 13:58.10 | zapalotta | tarzeau: one problem I ran in from time to time was power control |
| 13:58.19 | azeem | bolt: it can save it in gnome-keyring |
| 13:58.22 | tarzeau | zapalotta: it's a laptop? |
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| 13:58.45 | zapalotta | I remember a bick fscking mess getting th Power Control on a HP server running a few years ago |
| 13:58.51 | zapalotta | tarzeau: nope, aserver |
| 13:58.55 | zapalotta | a server |
| 14:01.50 | jotand | irule: yeah, reinstall sarge and see what it gives on the nic. |
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| 14:02.48 | stew | irule: you also might check "lspci". it sounds like a newish motherboard, right? like, less than 5 years old? (in which case, i'm going to assume its not isa) |
| 14:03.30 | jotand | stew: he had done that earlier on, found nothng. |
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| 14:03.39 | JediMaster | nevyn: yeah I was wondering why it was primary master and secondary slave, will have a moan at our co-lo =) |
| 14:04.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how can I tell my system to use lpr instead lp? which one should I use? |
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| 14:04.51 | gonzaloaf_laptop | (for printing of course) |
| 14:05.21 | fengor | uhm... question: sarge didnt shipped with 2.6.18 right? |
| 14:05.30 | cahoot | isn't lpr bundled in cupsys-bsd? |
| 14:05.32 | liable | no it didnt |
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| 14:05.43 | liable | fengor: 2.6.8 |
| 14:05.48 | stew | fengor: sarge shipped with 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, etch shipped with 2.6.18 |
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| 14:06.19 | fengor | hmm then i wonder why the /etc/debian_version says 3.1 and uname -r says 2.6.18 |
| 14:06.23 | aldin | are there any kde-apps eqvivalent for gnome? |
| 14:06.43 | wols | fengor: what does dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 say? |
| 14:07.03 | liable | !sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 14:07.04 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 14:07.26 | NormanAthol | hi |
| 14:07.33 | stew | fengor: becuase someone either compiled and installed a custom kernel or installed an unofficial kernel package |
| 14:07.44 | stew | fengor: or someone installed an etch kernel |
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| 14:08.24 | stew | fengor: if "uname -r" says exactly "2.6.18" it is definately custom |
| 14:10.03 | NormanAthol | i was just wondering if there was a way for me to list installed packages |
| 14:10.16 | NormanAthol | and output them to a file |
| 14:10.43 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |
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| 14:11.15 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.24 | NormanAthol | thankyou |
| 14:11.30 | jetscreamer | !tell NormanAthol -about reinstall |
| 14:11.35 | plb | ew they are destroying amarok in svn..the interface anyway |
| 14:12.18 | RichiH | plb: screenshot? |
| 14:12.23 | plb | 1 mo |
| 14:12.51 | plb | http://ljubomir.simin.googlepages.com/amaroktrunk4df5.png |
| 14:13.33 | Eclipser | amarok, eww |
| 14:13.46 | plb | looks horrible imo now |
| 14:14.07 | jetscreamer | looks like that theme matches the new k3b look sorta |
| 14:14.07 | cahoot | disagree |
| 14:14.13 | Eclipser | it has always been horrible - being graphical in the firest place |
| 14:14.14 | jetscreamer | maybe kde is going ms blue |
| 14:14.16 | Eclipser | first* |
| 14:14.46 | cahoot | the choiceof albums though... |
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| 14:14.58 | hipodilski | somebody using jailkit under Debian? |
| 14:15.19 | plb | well they put out a kde 4 screenshot tour yesterday but site doesn't want to load http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=802&slide=4 |
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| 14:16.42 | plb | ah now its load |
| 14:16.43 | plb | ing |
| 14:18.00 | plb | I liked it at first but now it seems somewhat bloated |
| 14:18.45 | Eclipser | but then again, I don't see what people see in those cumbersome GUIs anyway |
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| 14:18.55 | Ronin | Eclipser: we're a visual species |
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| 14:19.13 | omha | hey |
| 14:19.16 | Eclipser | I prefer doing fast than look at shiny graphics |
| 14:19.18 | cahoot | unless blind |
| 14:19.19 | Ronin | and browsing the web in lynx bites |
| 14:19.26 | Eclipser | Ronin, vimperator <3 |
| 14:19.33 | amphi | Ronin: w3m OTOH... ;) |
| 14:19.35 | Eclipser | (vimperator.mozdev.org) |
| 14:19.40 | tarzeau | Eclipser: you can have both: links2 -g ? |
| 14:19.46 | jotand | irule: how is your nic problem? |
| 14:19.48 | lupine_85 | links2 -g ++ |
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| 14:20.06 | omha | i have some kernel modules (.ko files) that i need to insmod after reboot if i want sound, how can i make debian load dem automatic? |
| 14:20.25 | stew | omha: put them in /etc/modules |
| 14:20.39 | h3sp4wn | Is there a decent console client that supports shoutcast streams (and ideally uses xine - moc sounds poor on my setup) |
| 14:20.46 | tarzeau | can i turn off firewire support in the installer with some boot parameter? |
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| 14:21.07 | omha | stew file path? |
| 14:21.45 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: i 'think' i've seen that but can't swear |
| 14:22.01 | stew | omha: just list the module name you want loaded in /etc/modules |
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| 14:22.03 | stoned | hello and good morning |
| 14:22.06 | stew | tarzeau: you can edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 14:22.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
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| 14:22.23 | abrotman | stew: at boot ? |
| 14:22.28 | jetscreamer | stew edit in the installer? |
| 14:22.28 | stew | no |
| 14:22.32 | stew | jetscreamer: yes |
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| 14:22.49 | abrotman | i'm almost certain there's a way to blacklist from the installer prompt |
| 14:22.49 | omha | stew i have compiled them myself and i can't modprobe them how can i then just type there name? |
| 14:22.52 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: ah then i can just use my own kernels in the installer (without firewire support) |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | or he could use expert mode :) |
| 14:23.03 | stoned | what modules do people usually black list? the ones they don't need to speed things up at boottime a bit. I see that somethings are being loaded 3-4 times but it says modules already loaded etc. Please advise. |
| 14:23.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm using preseed non-interactive mode |
| 14:23.35 | abrotman | you can't blacklist with preseed ? |
| 14:23.48 | stew | omha: you can insmod them but you can't modprobe them? |
| 14:23.48 | abrotman | stoned: those are different apps trying to load them repeatedly |
| 14:23.52 | tarzeau | stoned: those making problems? |
| 14:24.02 | stoned | abrotman: I see. tarzeau: no problems |
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| 14:24.09 | tarzeau | stoned: no need to blacklist them then |
| 14:24.11 | omha | stew, insmod file |
| 14:24.13 | arcil | hey i can only connect to my debian box (lan) via the ip it got from my dhcp i can not connect through the hostname. how can i fix that? |
| 14:24.18 | jetscreamer | nofirewire 'seems' to work in knoppix |
| 14:24.26 | bolt | gah! When I start gnome-keyring-manager, I get "GNOME Keyring daemon is not running", even though ps -u shows it is running. This is so frustrating! |
| 14:24.33 | jimbalaya | I just got a kernel Oops, which brought my system down, but I'm not good at figuring out what the cause is ... anyone good at reading Oops output and mind letting me know what the issue might be? http://pastebin.ca/455841 |
| 14:24.34 | stoned | I just want to know what modules people blacklist, the ones that are not needed. I don't have a floppy drive, so I can blacklist that, besides the one, I can't think of others. |
| 14:24.37 | jetscreamer | some of those 'cheat codes' work in debian |
| 14:24.51 | stew | omha: put them in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc and run depmod ; then you should be able to modprobe them |
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| 14:25.16 | omha | stew, kk :) |
| 14:25.17 | stoned | or maybe I could just go into 'modconf' and take a peek? maybe just uncheck the modules I don't need? |
| 14:25.26 | stoned | is that along the lines of blacklisting? |
| 14:25.43 | stoned | since they won't be checked, they won't be loaded? |
| 14:26.30 | jetscreamer | modconf just edit /etc/modules |
| 14:26.34 | jetscreamer | just edits |
| 14:26.44 | Azar | there are two types in modconf, ones builtin and the oters.. I forgot |
| 14:26.49 | bolt | I have gnome-keyring and gnome-keyring-manager installed. ps -u shows gnome-keyring-daemon running as my user. Still, when I start gnome-keyring-manager, I get "GNOME Keyring daemon is not running". Help? |
| 14:27.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: I figured as much |
| 14:27.12 | jetscreamer | it may also amend modules.conf |
| 14:27.41 | jetscreamer | or the alias one which looked like modules.conf, for the 'directives' |
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| 14:27.51 | jetscreamer | but the module would still be loaded by hotplug/udev |
| 14:28.17 | stoned | when I was installing debian a few days ago on my box, during the installer, it presnted me with a list of modules.. are those modules always going to be loaded? I unchecked most of them since they didn't concern me? Are those just loaded for people who don't know what to do and maybe if they have a hardware that needs them? |
| 14:28.30 | stoned | for example, a module for the via chipset was being loaded which I didn't need |
| 14:28.31 | stoned | etc. |
| 14:28.32 | Azar | stoned: you mean you want to boot faster? |
| 14:28.35 | jetscreamer | oh that |
| 14:28.37 | stoned | Azar: yes please |
| 14:28.48 | Azar | stoned: I guess /etc/modules |
| 14:28.54 | stoned | well yeah, but its blank |
| 14:29.09 | Azar | then none is loaded at bootup? |
| 14:29.17 | jetscreamer | stoned: if you had taken them all off, the next screen like that would have put them all back... i haven't noticed any benefit from deselecting those in the installer |
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| 14:29.26 | stoned | hmm |
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| 14:29.34 | stoned | currently my boottime is worse than XP |
| 14:29.43 | stoned | :( |
| 14:29.51 | jetscreamer | chmod -x a bunch of stuff in init.d |
| 14:29.57 | stoned | i'll take a look |
| 14:30.21 | jetscreamer | note the evil hackishness of my suggesstion |
| 14:30.32 | stoned | yeh, so i said, i'll take a 'look' |
| 14:30.33 | stoned | :) |
| 14:30.38 | Azar | maybe is slow because the system takes time searching for modules you haven't set up |
| 14:30.45 | fengor | thank you stew, sorry i was a bit afk. boss demandd a bit of attention |
| 14:30.47 | stoned | Azar: no, thats not the issue |
| 14:30.57 | stoned | Azar: what abrotman said makes sense though |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | who what?! |
| 14:31.06 | stoned | lots of apps are trying to load the same module multiple times |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | why is it always my fault? |
| 14:31.11 | stoned | lol |
| 14:31.17 | stoned | !smack abrotman |
| 14:31.17 | Azar | :) yep abrotman rocks |
| 14:31.23 | stoned | awe |
| 14:31.31 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to find where abrotman said something to you nyle |
| 14:31.45 | stoned | ok firstly |
| 14:31.47 | stoned | its Nyle |
| 14:31.54 | jetscreamer | ah there him is |
| 14:31.55 | stoned | and 2ndly, right now, I'm stoned |
| 14:32.02 | stoned | thank you kind sir |
| 14:32.07 | jetscreamer | you'll always be nyle to me |
| 14:32.10 | stoned | Nyle |
| 14:32.11 | stoned | !! |
| 14:32.11 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 14:32.11 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:32.14 | jetscreamer | i don't do caps |
| 14:32.16 | JediMaster | nevyn: I think I figured out what went wrong |
| 14:32.19 | stoned | :( |
| 14:32.31 | JediMaster | nevyn: it still won't boot from md0, but it now boots 2.6 from sda1 |
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| 14:32.34 | abrotman | stoned: perhaps you should switch to Stoned .. just to annoy jetscreamer? |
| 14:32.50 | jetscreamer | tabcomplete caps don't bother me |
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| 14:32.59 | jetscreamer | just the typing of caps |
| 14:33.02 | Azar | I haven't used modconf since the woody days |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | last week for you? |
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| 14:33.30 | JediMaster | nevyn: I think the problem is that the mdadm config was copied into the initrd image when the kernel was installed, so I think I just need to reinstall the kernel and let it regenerate the initrd image |
| 14:33.30 | Azar | ahhhhhhh no no nooooo |
| 14:34.04 | Azar | anyways is good to have a woody for those older PCs |
| 14:34.11 | jetscreamer | woody was tight |
| 14:34.35 | jetscreamer | last of the old school releases |
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| 14:34.47 | jetscreamer | now we have the new young kids slop |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | we even have a GUI installer .. |
| 14:34.57 | stoned | jetscreamer: i know exactly what you mean |
| 14:34.58 | abrotman | kids these days ... |
| 14:35.18 | stoned | jetscreamer: Nyle is also my name so I cap it. otherwise all my nicks are lowercase |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | "What .. i have to use the <tab> key .. this OS sucks!!" |
| 14:35.29 | Azar | gui installer for the terminal-disabled |
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| 14:35.38 | jetscreamer | i could call you 'ni' |
| 14:35.40 | stoned | jetscreamer: im sure you must have notice there weren't any caps in the titles/headings of my website either |
| 14:35.46 | jetscreamer | would that make me a knight? |
| 14:35.57 | stoned | I don't like caps either.. but Nyle is my proper name |
| 14:36.09 | stoned | if you could kinly cap it, I would be much appreciative |
| 14:36.12 | stoned | or just say stoned |
| 14:36.13 | Azar | really? nice name ... nyle |
| 14:36.14 | jetscreamer | i don't cap my name either don't feel singled out |
| 14:36.33 | stew | is this the stoned nick policy release candidate or is it in final draft now? |
| 14:36.36 | stoned | Azar: dude i'll come over and lay the smackdown on ya |
| 14:36.44 | jetscreamer | rc5 |
| 14:36.46 | stoned | lol |
| 14:36.57 | Azar | stoned: it'll be about the time, divorce rahul first |
| 14:37.20 | stoned | I was born a Hash C. Borger. I was named Nyle C. Borger by my grandfather. My legal name in the usa is different, and I will not utter it here. |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | GWB ? |
| 14:37.47 | stoned | lol |
| 14:37.51 | stoned | i hate you :( |
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| 14:38.10 | abrotman | what kind of hippie would name his kid Hash |
| 14:38.18 | abrotman | "Oh .. here's my sister .. Shroom" |
| 14:38.20 | jetscreamer | hey i named my cat booger... and his lookalike daughter minibooger |
| 14:38.22 | Azar | stoned: I guess you got a celebrity name and are afraid to reveal it |
| 14:38.30 | stoned | lol |
| 14:38.41 | Azar | RMS maybe? |
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| 14:38.50 | stoned | eh? |
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| 14:39.18 | stoned | I told stew at the Debian Etch release party when I introduced myself. I trust he will keep it in confidence :) |
| 14:39.25 | Azar | ..for sure not ESR, that one is two doors away, at #ubuntu |
| 14:39.31 | stoned | keep guessing brothers |
| 14:39.35 | stoned | :) |
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| 14:39.59 | jetscreamer | there was a release party? nobody even told me there was a release |
| 14:40.08 | stoned | jetscreamer: /topic |
| 14:40.08 | jetscreamer | i can see i'm not wanted |
| 14:40.10 | stoned | hah! |
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| 14:40.15 | stoned | jetscreamer: I want you |
| 14:40.22 | stoned | to come smoke me out |
| 14:40.25 | Azar | jetscreamer: no, you are needed |
| 14:40.28 | stoned | ahahah. time for breakfast |
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| 14:41.58 | jetscreamer | just because we don't kill the goose with the golden eggs doesn't mean we have to be nice to it |
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| 14:43.57 | helfrez | anyone know if any gtk alternatives to klibido for pulling from newsgroups |
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| 14:44.14 | RichiH | plb: and that is what you are running just now? |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | helfrez: Pan |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | !info pan etch |
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| 14:44.43 | helfrez | pan didnt seem to have very goot nzb support |
| 14:44.58 | nadir | two questions, how can i get aptitude to uninstall apache, including the directories, aptitutde purge apache2 doesnt remove the directories /etc/apache2/* . |
| 14:45.07 | dpkg | pan: (A Newsreader based on GTK2, which looks like Forte Agent), section news, is optional. Version: 0.119-1 (etch), Packaged size: 937 kB, Installed size: 3188 kB |
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| 14:45.26 | nadir | and secondly how can I get aptitude to install apache2 and not apache2.2 |
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| 14:46.24 | fireba11 | nadir: you can install with version number you know ... |
| 14:46.31 | JediMaster | anyone any good with software raid who wouldn't mind giving me a hand for 2-3 min? |
| 14:46.44 | abrotman | helfrez: thunderbird? evolution? |
| 14:46.44 | fireba11 | JediMaster: details ? |
| 14:47.06 | helfrez | abrotman, binaries |
| 14:47.19 | abrotman | newsgroups have binaries ? |
| 14:47.31 | JediMaster | fireba11: upgraded from linux 2.4 to 2.6 with two SATA drives in software raid 1 as md0 and also the root drive |
| 14:47.49 | nadir | fireba11: hrm its acting strange, aptitude install apache2-common |
| 14:47.50 | JediMaster | fireba11: had to change root=/dev/md0 to root=/dev/sda1 to get 2.6 to boot |
| 14:47.55 | nadir | No candidate version found for apache2-common |
| 14:48.05 | Ronin | abrotman: old fashioned way to get warez |
| 14:48.11 | abrotman | Ronin: gopher ? |
| 14:48.18 | JediMaster | fireba11: so now I need to reinstall the kernel to get it to generate the initrd image that sees the root as md0 running from sda1 and sdb1 |
| 14:48.22 | x_link | I have a question, but I don't know if I can ask it here |
| 14:48.26 | Ronin | not that old fashioned |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | nadir: it's apache2.2-common |
| 14:48.42 | nadir | i dont want apache2.2-common |
| 14:48.43 | helfrez | abrotman, not nec warez, i get alot of my linux cds from newsgroups because the servers are faster than mirrors |
| 14:48.44 | x_link | I just got fireFTP for firefox(iceweasel) |
| 14:48.49 | x_link | Anybody used it? |
| 14:48.49 | nadir | i want apache2 |
| 14:48.51 | JediMaster | fireba11: the problem is, that md0 isn't started up now as it's booted from sda1, which is one of the two mirrors |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | helfrez: sure ... |
| 14:49.15 | x_link | I need some help with it, I just connected to a friends ftp server and I want to upload something to him. I highlight the file and I choose Upload but nothing happens. |
| 14:49.15 | JediMaster | fireba11: so when reconfiguring the kernel I get: mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active. |
| 14:49.15 | fireba11 | JediMaster: there are guides to set up raid on a already running system ... |
| 14:49.20 | x_link | Can somebody please help me with this? |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | bridge .. brooklyn .. |
| 14:49.22 | helfrez | Ronin, and not old fashioned at all lol, its probably one of the most popular methods ll |
| 14:49.41 | abrotman | Gopher is popular ? |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | poh |
| 14:49.47 | JediMaster | fireba11: from a degraded array that currently exists? |
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| 14:50.43 | fireba11 | JediMaster: is uses a degraded array as step in between to move from a normal partition to a raid array, so yes, you can use it in your case too |
| 14:51.01 | Ronin | helfrez: dont know why with bittorrent but to each thier own |
| 14:51.12 | JediMaster | fireba11: cool, any idea where it is? (I'm googling now) |
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| 14:51.33 | Noboru | anyone know if woody users nowadays can still fetch updates from debian officially ? |
| 14:51.37 | Noboru | via apt i mean |
| 14:51.40 | abrotman | !archive |
| 14:51.40 | dpkg | i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:51.42 | Ronin | Noboru: no i dont bellieve so |
| 14:51.47 | nadir | it think i need a new sources.list |
| 14:51.55 | abrotman | not security updates .. but use archive.debian.org .. or such IIRC |
| 14:51.57 | nadir | where can I find one, for a stable system? |
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| 14:52.23 | Ronin | !tell nadir about mirrors |
| 14:52.23 | Noboru | what does that archive ..thing work for ? |
| 14:52.28 | abrotman | nadir: man sources.list |
| 14:52.34 | fireba11 | JediMaster : http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html might help |
| 14:52.35 | abrotman | Noboru: any archived releases |
| 14:52.59 | JediMaster | fireba11: thanks |
| 14:53.17 | Noboru | hmm im confused,you mean security updates for woody has been cut off ? |
| 14:53.23 | abrotman | Noboru: but woody hasn't received security updates for a year or so |
| 14:53.29 | abrotman | Noboru: yes .. quite a while ago |
| 14:53.34 | Azar | Noboru: yes, woody has been put to sleep |
| 14:53.46 | Noboru | I see. |
| 14:53.46 | fireba11 | ouch |
| 14:53.47 | jetscreamer | i don't have a woody anymore!!! |
| 14:54.11 | Azar | Noboru: it is still used by few, only it does not get groomed with security updates |
| 14:54.13 | jetscreamer | you 'could' theoretically upgrade it |
| 14:54.48 | jetscreamer | first to sarge then to etch |
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| 14:56.10 | Noboru | okay. |
| 15:04.00 | Azar | jetscreamer: if his hardware are up to the task |
| 15:04.00 | jetscreamer | !woody->etch |
| 15:04.00 | dpkg | hmm... woody->etch is first ask me about woody->sarge, then sarge->etch |
| 15:04.01 | fireba11 | it would be safer to move over to a fresh etch installation though since quite a bit of stuff might break |
| 15:04.01 | Azar | jetscreamer:!!!! he cant go with a 2.4.18 kernel to etch! |
| 15:04.01 | jetscreamer | why because udev sucks and * depends on it? |
| 15:04.01 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 15:04.02 | Azar | hehe, he needs vaccinations first |
| 15:04.03 | stew | !woody->etch =#sarge->etch#sarge->etch ; you must not try to skip sarge. skipping releases is not supported by debian.# |
| 15:04.03 | dpkg | stew: that's too long |
| 15:04.03 | jetscreamer | the box will boot with a kernel that does not support udev, at least a more recent 2.6-386 did |
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| 15:04.04 | artagnon | What's the best browser to use that doesn't cache and supports PHP? |
| 15:04.04 | jetscreamer | stew: the long thing, i find doesn't happen with /msg dpkg |
| 15:04.04 | stew | yes, the release notes say it is possible to upgrade with a 2.4 kernel and then upgrade to 2.6, |
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| 15:04.05 | jetscreamer | artagnon: just turn the cache off in whatever? |
| 15:04.06 | Azar | jetscreamer: it might be a bit slower and seem more work, but it is safer to upgrade to sarge, get a 2.6 kernel then jump on etch |
| 15:04.07 | Amarande | I wonder if lenny will take as long to come out as etch did |
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| 15:04.08 | jetscreamer | Amarande: hopefully longer, or at least long enough to do a tad bit better |
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| 15:04.10 | Amarande | ehh, that's probably a good thing |
| 15:04.11 | artagnon | jetscreamer: I'm not sure how to do that with firefox |
| 15:04.11 | Amarande | but on the other hand, sometimes I wonder if debian is losing its popularity thanks to that |
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| 15:04.13 | fireba11 | Amarande: etch was faster than sarge anyway |
| 15:04.13 | Amarande | it seems that most people who would have used debian these days end up using ubuntu instead |
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| 15:04.14 | zenit | I wouldn't mind the long time between updates as long as the kernel is updated from time to time. |
| 15:04.14 | Azar | huh? how much faster? |
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| 15:04.15 | Ronin | Amarande: heh sure |
| 15:04.16 | fireba11 | Amarande: i don#t want a release every 6 month .. it's a lot of work to upgrade anything since soemthing might break .-) |
| 15:04.16 | jetscreamer | artagn.... |
| 15:04.17 | Noboru | thanks to all,bed time,night. |
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| 15:04.17 | Amarande | hmm, what's that page that lists the relative popularity of linux distros? |
| 15:04.17 | stew | Amarande: debian's popularity is going up, not down. the last release didn't take as long as the previous release |
| 15:04.17 | jetscreamer | oh he left |
| 15:04.18 | Ronin | another dayanother troll |
| 15:04.18 | Amarande | I remember hearing of one a while back, but I don't remember the URL |
| 15:04.18 | jetscreamer | about:config , broswer.cache.disk.enable |
| 15:04.19 | zenit | Really not much fun to install sarge just to discover that kernel is too old to support the built-in sata-controller. |
| 15:04.40 | jetscreamer | distrowatch.com ? |
| 15:04.40 | Amarande | zenit: yeah, that's one of the major issues with debian |
| 15:04.40 | Azar | zenit: that for is etch |
| 15:04.41 | Amarande | unless there's been a new release lately, people are forced to jump into testing screaming if they want it to work with a newer PC |
| 15:04.41 | Pobega | jetscreamer: counter.li.org is a lot more accurate than distrowatch |
| 15:04.42 | stew | zenit: i wouldn't recommend installing sarge now that etch is released. if you need to there are sarge installers with newer kernels available |
| 15:04.42 | stew | Amarande: no, they are not, /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:04.42 | Amarande | us debian devotees do it willingly, of course, but ... |
| 15:04.42 | Azar | if you got newer hardware, why would you want to install a 2 year old Debian version? |
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| 15:04.43 | zenit | stew: I know. This was some months before etch was released. |
| 15:04.43 | stew | Azar: for the stability and the timely security updates |
| 15:04.43 | Pobega | http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php to be exact. |
| 15:04.43 | zenit | And sarge still had 2.6.8 |
| 15:04.44 | Amarande | stew, not much help for people who aren't supported by the installation kernel |
| 15:04.44 | Azar | stew: ah I see, I thought he tries to do it now |
| 15:04.44 | stew | zenit: sarge installers with 2.6.15+ were available |
| 15:04.44 | jetscreamer | Pobega: i believe! ( hence the ? at the end of distrowatch) |
| 15:04.45 | Amarande | I remember I couldn't use the normal sarge discs back before etch was out |
| 15:04.46 | Amarande | because the e1000 driver was broken and didn't support the Pro/1000 GT |
| 15:04.46 | stew | Amarande: right, but there were other install disks you could have used |
| 15:04.46 | Azar | zenit: yea what stew said, you could have installed a 2.6.18 with sarge in the past 2 months |
| 15:04.46 | zenit | stew: tried those too. Problem is, those are unofficial and parts (like lvm + raid partitioning) was broken. |
| 15:04.48 | stew | zenit: in what way were they broken? |
| 15:04.49 | zenit | stew: you just got some error messages when trying to create lvm + raid. Got some error messages, don't remember exactly. |
| 15:04.51 | zenit | stew: but this was a well known issue with the unnoficial version I tried (2.6.15 kernel at that time) |
| 15:04.51 | Amarande | last time I tried sarge, I ended up downloading and set aside the etch kernel .deb's and install those right after installing sarge before I could get anything from the net. |
| 15:04.52 | jetscreamer | just use the businesscard and specify etch was the workaround for that |
| 15:04.52 | Azar | zenit: all being said, I have no idea how you installed sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel on a sata system -- in the first place |
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| 15:04.53 | rahul | 10:34 < Azar> anyways is good to have a woody for those older PCs |
| 15:04.53 | rahul | HEH |
| 15:04.53 | Azar | because I tried, and never worked |
| 15:04.53 | tarzeau | Azar: have you tried slune? |
| 15:04.54 | zenit | Azar: the problem is the first install, then of course installing a bacported kernel. |
| 15:04.57 | Azar | rahul!! :) |
| 15:04.57 | zenit | backported |
| 15:05.04 | rahul | I lik having woodies for the older ones, too. it's always a good experience |
| 15:05.17 | Amarande | which is ok for us devotees, but when it comes to attracting newer users to the distro ... |
| 15:05.25 | Azar | tarzeau: no, is that a new game? |
| 15:05.36 | Azar | rahul: speaking of how is yours lately? |
| 15:05.37 | Amarande | instead, we end up with lots of people using ubuntu, thinking it's debian and coming in #debian bugging us for help. :P |
| 15:05.38 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah, dunno if it's new. but it's 3d and fun |
| 15:05.38 | stew | Amarande: what are you suggesting then? |
| 15:05.48 | rahul | Azar: which one? |
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| 15:06.02 | zenit | Azar: Once I got around the first install issue, thinks worked well even though I had to configure lvm + raid afterwards. All this could be avoided if a new kernel was released from time to time. |
| 15:06.04 | hac | who think that separated /boot is useful? |
| 15:06.05 | Azar | tarzeau: :) me rushes to install :) |
| 15:06.12 | rahul | Azar: the one who wants her brother to cut my hair or the one who wants me to marry her for the green card? |
| 15:06.13 | stew | zenit: that is planned for etch |
| 15:06.14 | tarzeau | Azar: MULTIPLAYER, me too!!! |
| 15:06.15 | jetscreamer | hac: ppl it's saved do |
| 15:06.20 | zenit | stew: nice :) |
| 15:06.22 | Azar | WOW |
| 15:06.33 | stew | zenit: the kernel team is planning to prepare a new stable kernel in 6 months or so |
| 15:06.40 | Amarande | stew: what zenit and you just discussed, basically, new stable kernels every so often |
| 15:06.49 | stew | Amarande: yes, it is in the works |
| 15:07.00 | Azar | yesss we gonna have at least a second kernel during etch's lifetime |
| 15:07.05 | jetscreamer | the kernel/udev in etch is flawed |
| 15:07.09 | zenit | stew: does this mean that we can expect a new kernel about every 6 months? Not just one update? |
| 15:07.12 | stew | Amarande: and for sarge there were unofficial installers doing exactly that |
| 15:07.14 | jetscreamer | period. |
| 15:07.16 | stew | zenit: hopefully, yes |
| 15:07.26 | zenit | stew: that would really rock |
| 15:07.36 | rahul | waiting 6 months for a new piece of hardware to work really sucks... |
| 15:07.49 | zenit | It's better than nothing. |
| 15:07.55 | rahul | uh |
| 15:08.11 | stew | buying hardware that won't work with the os you are planning to use sucks too |
| 15:08.13 | rahul | is that what the linux community has been reduced to? |
| 15:08.33 | rahul | stew: well, I'd wait 6 months to buy it yes |
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| 15:08.40 | jetscreamer | a bunch of whiners who don't step up to the plate and fix it? |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | so stop buying hardware made by manufactuers that don't cooperate |
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| 15:10.13 | rahul | abrotman: I'll still have to wait up to 6 months for a stable kernel |
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| 15:11.19 | cahoot | painful |
| 15:11.33 | Althaser | how can I see info from account ? |
| 15:11.43 | cahoot | the hardships of the modern life |
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| 15:11.58 | Ronin | Althaser: what account where? |
| 15:12.40 | Althaser | Ronin I would like to change first name shell default etc where to ? please |
| 15:12.52 | petemc | Althaser: chsh |
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| 15:13.22 | Althaser | petemc thanks :D |
| 15:13.23 | petemc | Althaser: or vipw |
| 15:13.32 | Althaser | Ronin thanks |
| 15:13.35 | Althaser | ahmm ok |
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| 15:15.13 | Althaser | petemc chsh is just for shell :S |
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| 15:15.24 | nn-laptop | I bought a speed >= 700k and it seems to be going at 80k can you check it ;;; web;; http://srv256.homelinux.net |
| 15:15.30 | petemc | Althaser: chfn |
| 15:15.35 | Schiffmeister | hey guys... i wanted to run azureus on debian, i installed sun-java6-jre from lenny, but when i try to start azureus it tells me that /opt/java/ can't be found |
| 15:15.46 | Schiffmeister | sry... /usr/java/ |
| 15:17.22 | compDo | The module "usbhid" I need for my mouse is compiler as kernel module but not automatically loaded. I have to load it manually. Any ideas why the module is not loaded by Etch? |
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| 15:17.30 | Schiffmeister | any knows why java doesn't installed the exec in /usr/java/ an how to fix this? |
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| 15:18.31 | Althaser | petemc thanks :) |
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| 15:18.35 | petemc | np |
| 15:19.09 | stew | Schiffmeister: it installs to somewhere like /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-sun (dpkg -L packagename will tell you exactly). you'll need to start azureus with the JAVA_HOME env variable set to this path |
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| 15:19.32 | Trewas | nn-laptop: seems to go at 60-70k/s but dunno how many testers you got :) |
| 15:19.33 | Schiffmeister | ahh, thx stew |
| 15:19.59 | Octopssy | How come or where is defined that apache2 always redirects one when theres opened the root dir to apache2-default dir ? |
| 15:20.12 | stew | Schiffmeister: how did you install azureus? |
| 15:20.13 | infester | how can i mount my root partition from an installation cd? trying to fix some problems, got kernel panic... |
| 15:20.44 | Schiffmeister | stew: with a .deb ... don't know exactly where it was from |
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| 15:20.55 | bolt | I have gnome-keyring and gnome-keyring-manager installed. ps -u shows gnome-keyring-daemon running as my user. Still, when I start gnome-keyring-manager, I get "GNOME Keyring daemon is not running". Help? |
| 15:21.01 | stew | Schiffmeister: was it a debian pacakge? why not use aptitude / apt-get? |
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| 15:21.38 | Schiffmeister | stew: it's a modded azureus ... |
| 15:21.44 | h3sp4wn | infester: You have to use devfs names - go to a shell and mount /mnt or /target or whatever |
| 15:21.47 | Octopssy | I know it's not specific a debian question but lets ask: |
| 15:21.56 | stew | Schiffmeister: you should report this bug you to whomever made the package |
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| 15:22.00 | dimi3 | how to setup two ip addresses on the same interface? |
| 15:22.04 | Octopssy | Got a little question: I want identd to work when being requested by external ip's that are not in my network. So, assume it runs on p113 on 192.168.0.2 - I added it in the main router where the inetcon comes in (10.0.0.138) as port fwd to wireless router 192.168.0.1 and that router forwards it to the box I want it to work on. Now it seems it isn't working at all, and the servers requesting it get no replie. anyone got a workaround for this? |
| 15:22.25 | Schiffmeister | stew: kk, i will do that |
| 15:22.58 | dimi3 | info /etc/network/interfaces is a great ref |
| 15:23.04 | kramed | anyone use debian on a sparc? |
| 15:23.35 | h3sp4wn | infester: find -name part\* (in /dev) and you will work it out |
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| 15:23.44 | infester | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 15:23.51 | stew | dimi3: put "up ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0" where 1.2.3.4 is the ip to add, 24 is the netmask and eth0 is the interface to add to, put this in the stanza for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:24.15 | stew | dimi3: it will require the iproute pacakge |
| 15:24.28 | infester | h3sp4wn: that did not give me any output |
| 15:24.38 | dimi3 | stylus: thanks - and what's the name of the new iface? |
| 15:24.57 | stew | dimi3: eth0, you said add one to the same interface, not create a new interface |
| 15:25.20 | dimir | dim-team: assemble! |
| 15:26.12 | stew | dimi3: if you want to add a new interface, add a new stanza for a new alias named something like eth0:1 ; read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example |
| 15:26.19 | h3sp4wn | infester: try it without the \ (I don't remember devfs naming very well) |
| 15:26.24 | dimi3 | stew: ok :) so my point is to routing with iptables - the script that I have has IN IFACE and OUT IFACE.. and I want to use my laptop as a router (1 card) ... |
| 15:26.26 | infester | h3sp4wn: i am familiar with mounting partitions from before... but /dev/ looks very odd from the cd... there is a /dev/ide/ dir but it is empty |
| 15:26.29 | infester | ok |
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| 15:26.51 | h3sp4wn | infester: part1 would be a1 |
| 15:26.56 | infester | no output from that either :/ |
| 15:26.57 | stew | dimi3: it will be "eth0" as far as iptables knows no matter which method you use |
| 15:27.32 | h3sp4wn | infester: go down the /dev/discs/disc0 |
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| 15:27.44 | dimi3 | the same one :) really - but then I have only to add another one so my provider doesn't notice what i'm doing with a scan in their network |
| 15:28.23 | infester | h3sp4wn: /dev/discs/ does not exist :P sec let me write what does |
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| 15:30.44 | infester | adb, console, fb/, floppy/, full, ide/, input/, kmem, kmsg, log, mem, misc/, null, port, ptmx, pts/, random, rd/, root, shm/, tts/, tty, urandom, usb/, vc/, vcc/, zero |
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| 15:30.44 | Octopssy | How come or where is defined that apache2 always redirects one when theres opened the root dir to apache2-default dir ? |
| 15:30.44 | Octopssy | Anyone knows? |
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| 15:31.06 | sixtymhz | Octopssy: Are you talking about the DocumentRoot in the httpd.conf file? |
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| 15:31.20 | stew | Octopssy: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 15:31.37 | stew | sixtymhz: there would not be a DocumentRoot in httpd.conf |
| 15:31.42 | Octopssy | yes |
| 15:32.18 | stew | Octopssy: you might want to either edit that file, or create a new one in sites-enabled, then 'a2dissite 00-default' 'a2ensite whateversiteyoucreated' |
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| 15:32.39 | h3sp4wn | infester: and /dev/ide/ is completely empty ? |
| 15:32.42 | sixtymhz | stew: uhhh... I have a DocumentRoot in my httpd.conf |
| 15:32.46 | bolt | I have gnome-keyring and gnome-keyring-manager installed. ps -u shows gnome-keyring-daemon running as my user. Still, when I start gnome-keyring-manager, I get "GNOME Keyring daemon is not running". Help? |
| 15:33.03 | h3sp4wn | infester: no host0/bus0 etc |
| 15:33.17 | stew | sixtymhz: i don't know anything about your setup. i know that he just installed apache2 from the debian packages |
| 15:33.27 | infester | completely empty yes |
| 15:33.30 | sixtymhz | stew: hrmm... |
| 15:33.49 | stew | sixtymhz: and a fresh debian install of apache2 would have an empty httpd.conf |
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| 15:35.32 | h3sp4wn | infester: have a look in dmesg (see whether it even detects the disk at all) |
| 15:36.11 | infester | looks like it does |
| 15:36.28 | infester | ide1: found apple keylargo ata-3 controller on irq 39 buss id 0 |
| 15:36.40 | dutchfish | stew, i got working, i added a modeline and change with 914resolution 5a 1650 1050, how can i make this a permanent change, so that when i reboot it wont default to the standaard 5a 1024 768 resolution? |
| 15:36.58 | h3sp4wn | infester: nothing where it lists the parts though ? |
| 15:37.10 | stew | dutchfish: editing xorg.conf makes it permanant |
| 15:37.18 | infester | i made dmesg |
| 15:37.24 | infester | ¨|grep part |
| 15:37.26 | dutchfish | stew, yes i thought so to, but no |
| 15:37.36 | infester | it says nvram: OF partition at 0x410 |
| 15:37.43 | stew | dutchfish: put the Xorg.0.conf into a pastebin |
| 15:37.43 | infester | XP partition at 0x1020 |
| 15:37.49 | infester | NR partition at 0x1120 |
| 15:38.00 | dutchfish | stew, i cant this station is not here atm |
| 15:38.22 | stew | dutchfish: i don't know why you aren't getting your configured resolution then |
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| 15:39.00 | stoned | dutchfish: your DM isn't applying any different resolutions at X startup is it? |
| 15:39.00 | dutchfish | stew, because i need to run the command 915resolution 5a 1650 1050 before xorg starts |
| 15:39.02 | stoned | sometimes gnome/kde can do that if configured |
| 15:39.58 | dutchfish | stoned, 915resolution -l doesnt list any 16:9 resolutions also the card and screen are capable |
| 15:40.03 | hark | dutchfish: there's the i810 modesetting driver too, in place of using 915resolution |
| 15:40.45 | dutchfish | hark, how do i config i810 to 5a 1650 1050 instead of using 915resolution? |
| 15:40.51 | stew | dutchfish: if that command fixes it, put the command into the 'start' section of your DM |
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| 15:40.53 | hark | but, then again, i don;t have an intel card, so dunno :) |
| 15:41.06 | stoned | never used onboard intel |
| 15:41.11 | stoned | nvida FTW |
| 15:41.15 | dutchfish | stew, sorry for my newbiish, but whats DM? |
| 15:41.27 | stoned | Desktop Manager |
| 15:41.35 | hark | display manager :) |
| 15:41.40 | stoned | Death Metal |
| 15:41.41 | stew | dutchfish: how do you start x? do you run "startx" or is it started by xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm/etc? |
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| 15:41.56 | dutchfish | stew, its start by gdm |
| 15:42.06 | stew | dutchfish: by DM i mean gdm |
| 15:42.16 | bolt | Where can I get version 0.7 of network-manager for Debian Etch? Should I compile that from source? |
| 15:42.45 | stoned | free |
| 15:42.51 | stoned | oh whoops, wrong terminal |
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| 15:43.04 | dutchfish | stew, adding some sort of to /etc/gdm/gdm.conf? |
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| 15:43.27 | dutchfish | stew, i am clueless about this |
| 15:43.31 | stoned | dutchfish: disable DM for now, and get your stuff to work first, then worry about gdm, imo |
| 15:43.37 | infester | h3sp4wn: should i try with a newer installation cd? :S |
| 15:43.52 | h3sp4wn | infester: what installation cd is it ? |
| 15:43.57 | stew | dutchfish: no, i'm talking about /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 15:44.18 | dutchfish | stew, oki, now i grasp it, thx |
| 15:44.18 | stew | dutchfish: or put it into /etc/init.d/rc.local or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 15:44.58 | h3sp4wn | infester: You might be better using grml or knoppix etc |
| 15:45.01 | dutchfish | stew, do they run before xorg? |
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| 15:45.18 | infester | hmm, i think it is sarge, uses a 2.6.8.-3-powerpc kernel |
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| 15:45.28 | infester | hmm ok, too bad i dont have any cd-r's left :( |
| 15:45.42 | h3sp4wn | Is the machine running etch or sarge ? |
| 15:45.49 | infester | etch |
| 15:45.53 | infester | just updated yesterday from sarge |
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| 15:46.15 | stew | dutchfish: actually bootmisc.sh runs before xorg, and gdm is what actually starts xorg. rc.local comes later, so forget that one |
| 15:46.22 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - I'll be adding a Diamond Xtreme sound card later today - is there a facility in Etch to auto-detect the card when the machine is rebooted? What is the process that does it so I can read more about it? |
| 15:46.33 | abrotman | rc.local hsouldn't exist ? |
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| 15:46.38 | dutchfish | stew, ok, i will use bootmisc.h |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | keith80403: alsaconf ? |
| 15:46.45 | amphi | keith80403: you could try alsaconf |
| 15:46.46 | hark | it does now |
| 15:46.52 | hark | !rc.local |
| 15:46.52 | dpkg | initscript package versions after 2.86.ds1-1 have an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating systems. |
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| 15:47.04 | hark | heh |
| 15:47.23 | alexhu89 | Hi! Can anybody help me in Compling kernel? pls pm me |
| 15:47.35 | abrotman | please ask us |
| 15:47.39 | keith80403 | abrotman, OK, I'll try that. RedHat/Fedora use kudzu and compare to a file with the last known config, and use that to "detect" new hardware. |
| 15:47.44 | stew | alexhu89: i woulnd't expect someone to pm you, if you have a specific question, just ask it |
| 15:47.46 | keith80403 | amphi, Will do thanks. |
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| 15:50.00 | alexhu89 | Okay, thank you! So I find a howto on howtoforge. But this article isn't enough good for me. Because I get VFS: Unable to mount root... Maybe I didn't compile into kernel but i choose all the filesystem.. Maybe i didn't complie the IDE driver but I'm not sure what I need to compile? |
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| 15:50.26 | alexhu89 | Is there a bash which I can say 'what is in my computer' because I have laptop... |
| 15:50.39 | cahoot | hwinfo |
| 15:50.45 | cahoot | lspci |
| 15:51.06 | Maulkin | dmidecide |
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| 15:51.49 | dutchfish | stew, if i am correct only into the start option right before do_start, yes? |
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| 15:52.25 | stew | dutchfish: where? |
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| 15:52.49 | dutchfish | stew, the /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 15:52.51 | infester | h3sp4wn do i have to use an etch cd? |
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| 15:54.40 | h3sp4wn | infester: any powerpc live cd would be fine - |
| 15:55.09 | stew | dutchfish: i don't know. i don't see do_start in mine. but it sounds reasonable. anywhere that will be executed by that script if someone were to run "/etc/init.d/bootmish.sh start" |
| 15:55.29 | dutchfish | stew, oki |
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| 15:58.49 | crm_ | whats the cleanest way of installing debian on an winxp box? |
| 15:58.57 | crm_ | without wiping xp =) |
| 15:59.10 | cahoot | then it's not clean |
| 15:59.33 | crm_ | is there a nice installer or something? |
| 15:59.51 | cahoot | yes |
| 16:00.03 | crm_ | ive got a fedora dvd here .. but not sure about it |
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| 16:00.41 | cahoot | guess what the advice would be here |
| 16:00.45 | stoned | !info keytouch sid |
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| 16:01.15 | infester | crm_: do you want to dualboot? |
| 16:01.15 | dpkg | keytouch: (A program to configure the extra function keys of multimedia keyboards), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 417 kB, Installed size: 1848 kB |
| 16:01.21 | stoned | hmm |
| 16:01.34 | crm_ | infester yes |
| 16:01.34 | stoned | already packaged, dammit |
| 16:07.22 | infester | crm_: so get windows working, then just boot with a debian neinstall cd and you should be fine |
| 16:07.23 | infernix | has anyone by chance played with printing vector based data (e.g. inkscape or flash content) on linux? no matter what I try, all the ppd files I use in cups turn it into bitmaps in the resulting postscript output file |
| 16:07.23 | stoned | stew: I'll be packaging the SMC ame today :) |
| 16:07.23 | cahoot | crm_: you *do* have a free partition? |
| 16:07.23 | stoned | game* |
| 16:07.23 | crm_ | cahoot .. no! |
| 16:07.24 | infester | cahoot: the installer can do that for him i guess? |
| 16:07.26 | crm_ | infester .. i can't afford to lose work |
| 16:07.26 | stew | stoned: is all of the bazillion of megs of media in that game under a free license? |
| 16:07.28 | crm_ | hrm |
| 16:07.28 | infester | crm_: so make a backup :) |
| 16:07.29 | infester | and don't do as i just did :)) |
| 16:07.29 | stoned | stew: GPL |
| 16:07.29 | crm_ | heh |
| 16:07.30 | Azar | crm get a removable hd tray, and a new hd, install Debian on the new hd and swap hd whenever you want :) |
| 16:07.30 | stoned | stew /msg dpkg smc and visit the website. According to my knowledge it shouldn't have a problem with DFSG |
| 16:07.30 | stew | stoned: cool |
| 16:07.30 | stoned | stew: the developers are in #secretmaryo here on freenode |
| 16:07.30 | crm_ | Azar .. you have an idea.. but i have a laptop |
| 16:07.30 | Azar | crm_: aw bad |
| 16:07.30 | stoned | stew: and its only 75MB :) |
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| 16:07.32 | crm_ | no.. i love my laptop |
| 16:07.33 | h3sp4wn | stoned: Its still got stuff that nintendo would have copyright on in it by default |
| 16:07.33 | stoned | stew: in the first few versions they had the main character look exactly like Mario. Now they haved changed it to a little boy |
| 16:07.33 | Azar | crm_: hmmm get a usb external hd then |
| 16:07.33 | h3sp4wn | stoned: (the world map) |
| 16:07.33 | h3sp4wn | stoned: (still has mario) |
| 16:07.34 | infester | crm_: why not just split the hd in half? |
| 16:07.34 | stoned | not in the latest version it doesn't |
| 16:07.35 | crm_ | can you boot from that Azar ? |
| 16:07.35 | infester | i dual boot on my laptop |
| 16:07.35 | stoned | on the screenshots on the site, yes. but they are from an old version |
| 16:07.35 | h3sp4wn | stoned: I built it from svn 2 days ago |
| 16:07.35 | crm_ | infester .. yea.. i think that's the go. then i can pehaps use wine |
| 16:07.35 | Azar | crm_: dunno, was just an idea... |
| 16:07.36 | stoned | h3sp4wn: I built it today |
| 16:07.36 | infester | crm_: wine? for what? :) |
| 16:07.37 | Azar | stew: could he boot debian installed on an external hd? |
| 16:07.37 | crm_ | ok.. i'll back up to my external hdd then see if debian can install without hosing my xp config |
| 16:07.39 | h3sp4wn | stoned: ack - do you like it ? (I think the level design isn't that good - engine is fine) |
| 16:07.39 | stoned | h3sp4wn: I love it |
| 16:07.52 | crm_ | wine.. for office 2007! |
| 16:07.52 | crm_ | bet that works =) |
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| 16:07.55 | hark | no it doesn't |
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| 16:08.02 | crm_ | lol |
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| 16:08.54 | Azar | hmmm couldn't you tell bios that your external hd is the 1st primary boot? then boot debian without affecting your xp hdd? |
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| 16:09.43 | hark | well, you can check the list at appdb.winehq.org |
| 16:10.22 | crm_ | Azar .. i like the idea of dual boot .. means i don't have to lug around the usb drive |
| 16:10.44 | Azar | crm_: yes but you said you dont' have enough space for dual |
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| 16:11.11 | stew | stoned: uh oh, it contains but GPL and Apache 2.0 licenses |
| 16:11.23 | karsten | Is there a debianized Java runtime suitable for iceweasel plugin? |
| 16:11.43 | karsten | etch. |
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| 16:12.17 | stoned | GPL 2.0 |
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| 16:12.39 | stew | stoned: yes, but it also contains apache 2.0, and the two are incompatible |
| 16:12.47 | crm_ | Azar .. ive got about 15g free.. but only one partition |
| 16:12.55 | stoned | stew: apache 2.0? I don't understand. |
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| 16:13.11 | stew | stoned: google for apache+gpl+incompatible |
| 16:13.18 | stoned | ok |
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| 16:13.38 | stew | stoned: docs/licenses/XERCES.txt |
| 16:13.53 | stew | stoned: which means, you might need to replace xerces to make it distributable |
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| 16:14.27 | kevinl-1 | heya |
| 16:14.32 | simonrvn | karsten: i use the sun thingy in non-free |
| 16:14.38 | stew | stoned: but you should double check me, my info might be out of date |
| 16:14.42 | simonrvn | or wherever it is |
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| 16:14.56 | hark | yikes, you can't use any of the apache projects in a GPL app? |
| 16:14.57 | karsten | simonrvn: I've manually d/l'd the Sun .bin => RPM =(alien)> DEB |
| 16:15.00 | stew | karsten: sun-java5-plugin |
| 16:15.04 | karsten | simonrvn: currently aliening it. |
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| 16:15.08 | karsten | jre-6u1-linux-i586.rpm |
| 16:15.10 | stew | karsten: why not use apt-get |
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| 16:15.19 | stoned | oh bugger |
| 16:15.23 | karsten | stew: 'coz I got confuzzed last time I started that. |
| 16:15.30 | simonrvn | 'cause he didn't know about it ;) |
| 16:15.33 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 16:15.51 | kevinl-1 | im trying to rescue a box (lost the root password) . im booted from a live-cd , i need to mount the hard drive but it is 2 hard drives on a raid .. fdisk shows /dev/sda2 as the partition i want, but the filesystem type is "linux raid autodect" , i dont know how to mount it |
| 16:15.57 | luis | Hello. I'm using postfix and having trouble figuring out the format of the mail.log file. I tried some googling and the postfix manual but couldn't find a description of this format. Any tips? |
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| 16:16.04 | karsten | stew: ... and I prefer aptitude anyhow. |
| 16:16.07 | Azar | crm_: http://tuxmobil.org/removable_hd.html |
| 16:16.31 | grummund | Hello, Anybody running bind on debian sarge able to try this pls?: dig hotmail.co.uk @localhost |
| 16:16.32 | Azar | stew stuck in apt-get |
| 16:16.39 | karsten | stew: simonrvn: thanks |
| 16:16.54 | wols | luis: standard syslog format |
| 16:17.17 | rahul | wtf |
| 16:17.21 | karsten | luis: date host command message |
| 16:17.25 | rahul | how the hell do I get to hartford, ct? |
| 16:17.34 | Azar | rahul: rent a car |
| 16:17.36 | karsten | rahul: practice, practice, practice. |
| 16:17.37 | rahul | bah |
| 16:17.44 | wols | rahul: if you are in europe: swimming |
| 16:17.46 | karsten | rahul: Wait, wrong joke. |
| 16:17.53 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 16:17.53 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 16:17.58 | rahul | hrm |
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| 16:18.01 | stoned | rahul: buy a car, I told you to buy one last week |
| 16:18.08 | stoned | rahul: bug your rich ass parents |
| 16:18.15 | rahul | !penixstrike =~ s/Penii/Penices/ |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | rahul: OK |
| 16:18.18 | rahul | heh |
| 16:18.22 | Azar | stoned: he can't because he is paying your drinks at the pub |
| 16:18.23 | valdyn | grummund: why? |
| 16:18.28 | stoned | no he isn't |
| 16:18.29 | rahul | stoned: I have a car I could use if I wanted to |
| 16:18.33 | crm_ | thanks Azar .. but ive got a inspiron 5100.. i doesn't come out easily =( |
| 16:18.33 | stoned | I hardly drink |
| 16:18.39 | stoned | rahul: then come over |
| 16:18.50 | rahul | stoned: I keep it in central jersey |
| 16:18.50 | grummund | valdyn: doesn't work for me, on two independent servers |
| 16:18.50 | karsten | rahul: Whyfore does this question arise? |
| 16:19.00 | rahul | karsten: I have a concert to go to in hartford |
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| 16:19.16 | stoned | now I have to read like a bunch of licenses and what not |
| 16:19.17 | Azar | rahul: bring your date with you |
| 16:19.18 | karsten | rahul: I refer to my initial answer ;-) |
| 16:19.19 | stoned | this is bullcrap |
| 16:19.28 | rahul | Azar: hrm, which one? |
| 16:19.35 | simonrvn | use mdrun to start the bugger up, if it hasn't been already |
| 16:19.35 | simonrvn | ok |
| 16:19.38 | Azar | rahul: the only we know of... stoned? |
| 16:19.42 | luis | karsten: any idea how I can match the message ID of a post to a mailman mailing list to the mail.log entry where it gets delivered to one of the subscribers? |
| 16:19.45 | rahul | there's two in CT |
| 16:19.47 | stoned | try to figure out if there are incompatabilities with DFSG |
| 16:19.51 | luis | (sorry if this is getting off-topic) |
| 16:19.52 | valdyn | grummund: then your servers are broken |
| 16:19.54 | simonrvn | goddamn irssi lagging again :| |
| 16:20.02 | grummund | valdyn: hmmm ;/ |
| 16:20.04 | karsten | rahul: First, you take the elephant out of the front seat, the giraffe out of the back seat, and put both in the refrigerator. |
| 16:20.14 | rahul | heh. wha? |
| 16:20.16 | stoned | Azar: man.. I'm gonna come over and kick your butt |
| 16:20.19 | karsten | rahul: Do they have context-switching enabled? |
| 16:20.20 | rahul | I only keep camels and goats? |
| 16:20.27 | Azar | :) |
| 16:20.28 | stew | stoned: yeah, apache license 2.0 and gpl 2.0 are definately incompatible |
| 16:20.28 | rahul | luis: :) |
| 16:20.34 | karsten | rahul: We're not talking about your dates. |
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| 16:20.38 | stoned | stew: been reading.. so now what do I do |
| 16:20.41 | rahul | karsten: yes, I know |
| 16:20.41 | karsten | rahul: We're talking about what's in the car. |
| 16:20.54 | rahul | camels and goats for me |
| 16:21.04 | hark | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html |
| 16:21.24 | stoned | stew: I don't understand what the game has to do with the apache software license. I'm waiting on replies from the author of the game so lets see. |
| 16:21.25 | stew | stoned: you write the upstream authors, saying that they are cannot distribute the software as licensed, and tell them why, and suggest they replace xerces with something that is under a gpl compatible license |
| 16:21.27 | Azar | bah dentist time.. |
| 16:21.39 | stew | s/are// |
| 16:21.46 | stoned | stew: already done :) |
| 16:22.00 | stoned | I could make unofficial debs in the meantime for people |
| 16:22.10 | karsten | stew: stoned: if the software is licensed under _both_ apache and GPL, _and_ all contributed code is similarly dual-licensed, I don't believe there's an issue. |
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| 16:22.53 | stew | karsten: its a gpl program that incorporates apache licensed software |
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| 16:23.03 | stoned | Xerces that is |
| 16:23.23 | rahul | wtf. mozplugger b0rked |
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| 16:23.41 | hark | right, they're going to change it.. |
| 16:23.53 | stoned | Xerces falls under apache 1.1 license while the game is under GPL2.0 |
| 16:24.01 | karsten | stew: stoned: the conflict comes when code under either of two licenses (but not both) is combined. |
| 16:24.02 | rahul | this is highly bogglesome |
| 16:24.02 | stoned | I doubt they will change it |
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| 16:24.21 | karsten | stoned: Um, they'd best. |
| 16:24.23 | stew | stoned: apache 2.0 license, not apache 1.1 |
| 16:24.24 | rahul | I can take metro north to get to new haven, but I have to _change_ to amtrak to get to hartford |
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| 16:24.35 | stoned | stew: I thought Xerces was under 21.1 |
| 16:24.37 | stoned | 1.1* |
| 16:24.57 | stew | stoned: not according to this license file, and not according to http://packages.debian.org/libxerces27 |
| 16:25.05 | rahul | I have to use national rail to get to a smaller destination from the bigger destination that's served by regional rail |
| 16:25.21 | rahul | this country is so bass ackwards |
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| 16:25.29 | stoned | you're right |
| 16:25.33 | insecure | stew: hi |
| 16:25.34 | stoned | I was looking on an old document |
| 16:25.36 | stoned | Xerces is made available under the Apache Software License, Version 2.0. |
| 16:25.45 | stoned | bugger |
| 16:26.04 | insecure | rahul: kay se ho |
| 16:26.12 | simonrvn | rahul: back asswards; and when shit like that starts making sense, i'll either be crazy, or their system is *really* falling apart |
| 16:26.13 | stoned | fit hai |
| 16:26.19 | stoned | ek aur desi aa gaya |
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| 16:26.26 | stoned | oye :! |
| 16:26.33 | insecure | hehe |
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| 16:26.48 | rahul | let's all bhangara in the channel |
| 16:26.54 | stoned | lets not |
| 16:26.57 | rahul | heh |
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| 16:27.19 | Meaw | wtf is bhangara? |
| 16:27.24 | insecure | kitne adme |
| 16:27.28 | simonrvn | all what? |
| 16:27.30 | cydork | Meaw: panjabi dance! :) |
| 16:27.51 | simonrvn | oh, cool |
| 16:27.59 | Meaw | eww ;/ |
| 16:28.10 | rahul | the vermonter runs through hartford |
| 16:28.12 | simonrvn | i'm eating right now, can't dance |
| 16:28.23 | rahul | you're eating out a badger? |
| 16:28.43 | simonrvn | yeh, seems you couldn't please her rahul |
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| 16:29.20 | rahul | I get confused when I look at those parts of a badger |
| 16:29.41 | rahul | they've got all these extra pointy bits |
| 16:29.48 | simonrvn | well, there you go |
| 16:29.54 | stoned | stew: apparantly Xerces is a CEGUI dependency. I could substitute with GPL XML libs? |
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| 16:30.08 | stoned | libxml perhaps |
| 16:30.30 | stoned | that could make it compatable with DFSG I think |
| 16:30.34 | stew | stoned: yeah. however, upstream really should be fixing this |
| 16:30.52 | stoned | stew: well I'm trying to talk to the upstream author... |
| 16:30.53 | stew | stoned: or you could help them fix it, of course, but it needs to be upstream |
| 16:31.04 | stew | well needs is too strong, but... |
| 16:31.11 | stoned | lets keep my fingers crossed.. yes I could do that... |
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| 16:31.19 | rahul | oof. $34 each way |
| 16:31.21 | stoned | if I feel like it hehe |
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| 16:31.48 | stoned | stew: zlib license is compatable with GPL? |
| 16:31.52 | stoned | do you know? |
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| 16:32.02 | stoned | by any chance |
| 16:32.17 | rahul | anything in debian main is compatible with GPL |
| 16:32.28 | rahul | it's the most restrictive of the free licenses |
| 16:32.35 | stoned | i see |
| 16:33.02 | stew | stoned: yes |
| 16:33.09 | stoned | so then there are two possibilities |
| 16:33.15 | stoned | tinyxml or libxml |
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| 16:33.25 | stoned | instead of Xerces |
| 16:33.29 | stew | rahul: it is not tru that anything in debian main is compatible with the GPL |
| 16:33.38 | sshhhh | anybody using saslauthd with ldap auth??? My problem is that using ldaps saslauthd cant connect to the ldap database. Others program can, so the ldap database is configured fine |
| 16:33.45 | rahul | stew: why wouldn't it be? |
| 16:33.46 | stew | rahul: for instance, openssl, apache... |
| 16:33.57 | stoned | rahul: oh duh! :D |
| 16:34.05 | karsten | sshhhh: /join #ldap, perhaps. |
| 16:34.05 | stew | rahul: google for "openssl+gpl" google for "apache+gpl+incompatible" |
| 16:34.08 | rahul | openssl can't be used in GPL'd apps? |
| 16:34.12 | stew | rahul: correct |
| 16:34.23 | Yggdrasil | how do i purge a package ? |
| 16:34.29 | karsten | Yggdrasil: man dpkg |
| 16:34.33 | karsten | Yggdrasil: man aptitude |
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| 16:34.43 | stoned | apt-get with the --purge |
| 16:34.49 | sshhhh | karsten, ok, i was asking here becouse i have this problem only with debian |
| 16:34.52 | sshhhh | thanks |
| 16:34.54 | stoned | man apt-get as well if you want |
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| 16:34.59 | rahul | stew: oh, advertising clauses |
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| 16:35.08 | stew | rahul: and apache has a patent termination clause |
| 16:35.12 | simonrvn | in soviet russia, debian has a problem with you |
| 16:35.17 | rahul | stew: I thought anything with those was removed from debian main |
| 16:35.17 | stoned | lol |
| 16:35.27 | karsten | stoned: aptitude >>> apt-get |
| 16:35.34 | stoned | karsten: >>>? |
| 16:35.35 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 16:35.35 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale) |
| 16:35.42 | stoned | karsten: I am aware of that. |
| 16:35.43 | karsten | stoned: Much, much greater than. |
| 16:35.54 | karsten | !apt-get |
| 16:35.54 | dpkg | hmm... apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 16:35.57 | simonrvn | >> bitwise shift right |
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| 16:36.03 | stoned | karsten: however it was also the correct answer to his question. |
| 16:36.06 | karsten | hrm. |
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| 16:36.17 | stoned | though not much desirable by many, still correct. |
| 16:36.22 | karsten | stoned: s/the correct/a possible/ |
| 16:36.24 | brainb0x | hi, what do i have to apt-get, i have a missing rm,ls command? |
| 16:36.39 | simonrvn | s,the correct,a correct, |
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| 16:36.41 | stoned | karsten: s/the correct answer/a correct ansswer |
| 16:36.46 | stoned | simonrvn: jinx |
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| 16:36.53 | stoned | now I get to punch you if you talk :) |
| 16:36.58 | brainb0x | hi, what do i have to apt-get, i have a missing rm,ls command? |
| 16:37.11 | brainb0x | is this part of the coreutils? |
| 16:37.12 | stew | brainb0x: coreutils |
| 16:37.16 | simonrvn | yes |
| 16:37.19 | stew | brainb0x: but how on earth did you get there? |
| 16:37.20 | brainb0x | oh! is. |
| 16:37.24 | karsten | brainb0x: Um, that's pretty bad. Sure it's not your PATH? |
| 16:37.39 | brainb0x | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tzdata_2007b-1_all.deb (--install): |
| 16:37.40 | brainb0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.47 | brainb0x | apt-get is using the rm command |
| 16:38.02 | brainb0x | how can i tel apt-get to not use clean up? |
| 16:38.07 | stew | brainb0x: yes. coreutils is guaranteed to exist on any sane install |
| 16:38.17 | simonrvn | uh, that doesn't mean it's missing. |
| 16:40.23 | brainb0x | stew, i actually trying to upgrade my dsl into pure debian using apt-get |
| 16:40.23 | simonrvn | oh fuck... |
| 16:40.23 | stew | brainb0x: that is not something supported here, please go to #damnsmalllinux |
| 16:40.23 | brainb0x | i know its insane way |
| 16:40.26 | stew | brainb0x: it is not something we would support, even if you think you had succeeded in doing what you are trying to do |
| 16:40.26 | stew | brainb0x: install debian from a debian install cd if you want support here |
| 16:40.27 | PingFloyd | brainb0x: that leaves so much room for conflicts |
| 16:40.28 | brainb0x | accept my apology guys |
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| 16:40.56 | PingFloyd | brainb0x: your box, but you'll probably find that at the end of the day, you'll have crawled through miles of broken glass for nothing. |
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| 16:41.29 | brainb0x | i already realize that it will endup by that. |
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| 16:43.02 | dhuv | hello all |
| 16:43.07 | stoned | stew: now the artwork is under question. 80mb of media which _might_ cause problems under DFSG |
| 16:43.13 | stoned | fuck fuckity fuck!!! |
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| 16:43.32 | stew | stoned: i asked about that first, becuase it is so often a problem with games |
| 16:43.49 | stoned | stew: yes and I'm glad you brought my attention to it. |
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| 16:44.28 | coldsteal | im trying to install just php so i can script with it |
| 16:44.42 | dhuv | i block ssh with iptables, and allow it for certain hostnames, the problem is that when the ip for that hostname changes, I have to refresh the iptable rules for it to allow the new IP, even though DNS is properly updated |
| 16:44.44 | stoned | coldsteal: aptitude install php4 or php5 then |
| 16:44.50 | simonrvn | brainb0x: good luck |
| 16:44.53 | coldsteal | o i need 4 also |
| 16:44.58 | dhuv | does anybody know how to make iptables resolv the ip once in a while? |
| 16:45.19 | stoned | coldsteal: I'm not sure if you can 'easily' have 4 and 5 side by side |
| 16:45.21 | dhuv | coldsteal: get 5 unless you need 4 |
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| 16:45.39 | stoned | coldsteal: why would you want both simul.? |
| 16:45.42 | coldsteal | all i want is 5 |
| 16:45.48 | dhuv | then just get 5 |
| 16:45.53 | stoned | coldsteal: then install 5 |
| 16:45.54 | coldsteal | i did apt-gte install php5 |
| 16:45.56 | simonrvn | make up your mind |
| 16:45.56 | Meaw | heh. |
| 16:46.03 | coldsteal | then i typed php and nothing |
| 16:46.46 | coldsteal | *apt-get |
| 16:46.46 | stoned | php is a server side scripting language |
| 16:46.46 | rahul | whoa |
| 16:46.46 | stoned | I hope you know this |
| 16:46.47 | rahul | coldsteal: are you stoned? |
| 16:46.47 | coldsteal | stoned: but u can still script with it |
| 16:46.47 | stoned | rahul: hey.. don't insult me |
| 16:46.47 | rahul | heh |
| 16:46.51 | xand | coldsteal: there's a seperate install for cli |
| 16:46.57 | stoned | coldsteal: yes.. you can't type `php` and get some sort of a php prompt |
| 16:47.01 | stoned | this isn't python |
| 16:47.01 | coldsteal | xand: whats it it |
| 16:47.03 | xand | stoned: wrongx0r |
| 16:47.03 | stoned | geez |
| 16:47.09 | stoned | xand: I am? |
| 16:47.29 | xand | well, not sure if you can get a prompt, but it's cli too |
| 16:47.34 | coldsteal | i also did a whereis php and nothing |
| 16:47.43 | xand | coldsteal: install php5-cli |
| 16:47.46 | simonrvn | you need php5-cpi |
| 16:47.47 | coldsteal | i like the cli sometimes |
| 16:47.49 | coldsteal | okay |
| 16:47.50 | simonrvn | cli* |
| 16:47.53 | stoned | xand: ok that is different |
| 16:48.11 | w00dst0ck | anyone know if the debian installer will ever support wireless netinstalls? I'm not talking non-free drivers, simply kernel supported drivers. |
| 16:48.13 | stoned | I thought he was asking for some sort of interactive php shell |
| 16:48.21 | stoned | or something |
| 16:48.25 | rahul | w00dst0ck: EVER? |
| 16:48.40 | stew | w00dst0ck: it does now |
| 16:48.45 | w00dst0ck | oh |
| 16:48.53 | w00dst0ck | really? Dur, maybe i'm dumb lol. |
| 16:48.57 | stew | w00dst0ck: so did the previous release |
| 16:49.22 | w00dst0ck | ah coolio, thanks. I'll take another look at it then. |
| 16:49.30 | stew | w00dst0ck: what chipset does your wireless card have? |
| 16:50.20 | stoned | stew: so the problem with apache2 license was solved. Xerces doesn't have to be used.. apparantly it isn't a problem with upstream.. so far. CEGUI can also use tinyxml/zlib license. Anyway, now soon as I get the media part of it figured out, I shouldn't have a problem packaging it |
| 16:50.37 | stew | stoned: nice |
| 16:51.32 | stoned | stew: I am a bit worried since the artwork is very very VERY close to that of the original Mario Bros. and in some cases almost entirely a replica of it. |
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| 16:51.52 | stew | stoned: yes, that could be a problem |
| 16:51.54 | stoned | stew: it was all done from scratch, but it is very similar in looks, so it is questionable |
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| 16:52.27 | stew | stoned: maybe they just need to work it into a parody |
| 16:52.45 | stoned | stew: it would be very difficult to convince them of it :) |
| 16:52.45 | rahul | super stoner brothers |
| 16:52.50 | stoned | HAHAHA |
| 16:52.56 | stoned | thats fucking awesome |
| 16:53.09 | rahul | instead of mushrooms, you have leaves |
| 16:53.15 | stoned | rahul: did you ever listen to Six Feet Under |
| 16:53.19 | rahul | yeah |
| 16:53.20 | stoned | rahul: I enjoy shrooms too :) |
| 16:53.23 | rahul | hehe |
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| 16:53.35 | w00dst0ck | stew: it's ok I just realized that the chip on this system requires the madwifi drivers which are non-free and obviously not included by default. It's just a pain to have to run a cable to do a netinstall and then setup the drivers otherwise. Ah well. Thanks anyway. |
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| 16:53.42 | stoned | not too big on inorganic compounds, such as LSD etc. |
| 16:53.52 | rahul | LSD is rather organic |
| 16:53.55 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 16:53.59 | TTT | hi, um, adobe doesn't have flash player for x64 linux, does it? |
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| 16:54.09 | rahul | !nspluginwrapper |
| 16:54.09 | dpkg | [nspluginwrapper] a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 16:54.11 | Eclipser | nvidia modules hate me again |
| 16:54.13 | stoned | rahul: ehh.. not entirely.. not in its finished form |
| 16:54.17 | rahul | stoned: sure it is |
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| 16:54.44 | stoned | I'll have to look it up again |
| 16:54.48 | wintix | Eclipser: how so? |
| 16:55.18 | rahul | stoned: it's a simple amide of a polyaromatic |
| 16:55.24 | stew | rahul: it is possible to derrive the precursors from natural sources, but that never occurs anymore |
| 16:55.50 | rahul | it's mostly carbon the whole way around |
| 16:55.54 | Eclipser | wintix, ABI version mismatch it says |
| 16:55.56 | stoned | rahul: it is a synthetic compound synthesized from organics |
| 16:56.10 | rahul | stoned: yeah, it's a synthetic organic |
| 16:56.33 | stoned | rahul: well thats what I meant |
| 16:56.40 | rahul | heh, ok... |
| 16:56.48 | yetifoot | and it's dirt cheap, cause only idiots want to buy it |
| 16:57.03 | stoned | but seriously |
| 16:57.08 | stoned | you know who made Mario games |
| 16:57.30 | simonrvn | Eclipser: downgrade xserver-xorg-core |
| 16:57.35 | stoned | japanese people who love to trip :) |
| 16:57.39 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 16:58.43 | rahul | well yeah :) |
| 16:59.19 | Eclipser | simonrvn, didn't help... nvidia driver says... |
| 16:59.22 | Eclipser | Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-8776, but |
| 16:59.23 | Eclipser | this X module has the version 1.0-9755. Please make sure that the kernel |
| 16:59.23 | Eclipser | module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. |
| 16:59.24 | Eclipser | 'whops |
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| 16:59.36 | Eclipser | stupid thing :> |
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| 16:59.50 | stoned | Eclipser: I think you have to compile the nvidia module with the same version of gcc that compiled your kernel |
| 16:59.57 | stoned | Eclipser: I think... |
| 16:59.58 | valdyn | Eclipser: quite X, modprobe -r nvidia, modprobe nvidia |
| 17:00.03 | valdyn | stoned: think wrong |
| 17:00.09 | wintix | stoned: nonsense. can you read? |
| 17:00.21 | stoned | no |
| 17:00.21 | simonrvn | and same kernel |
| 17:00.26 | Eclipser | valdyn, oh right, there's that thing too |
| 17:00.39 | stoned | oh no I didn't read |
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| 17:01.14 | wintix | Eclipser: you need the same version of the kernel module and the driver. either get a more recent kernel module or downgrade your driver. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 17:01.20 | simonrvn | Eclipser: yeh, your middle mouse button pressed itself ;p |
| 17:01.21 | Eclipser | that does it thanks |
| 17:01.37 | Eclipser | simonrvn, no, the stupid thing was the terminal which used real newlines! |
| 17:01.42 | stoned | man I have to start smoking pot gain |
| 17:01.48 | stoned | I feel fucking retarded while sober |
| 17:01.51 | simonrvn | Eclipser: hehe, ooops |
| 17:02.10 | Eclipser | now I need to figure out how to use this second monitor as well.. |
| 17:02.18 | stoned | Eclipser: Twinview |
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| 17:02.42 | stoned | Eclipser: I have it configured on my 7600GS |
| 17:02.43 | wintix | Eclipser: /msg dpkg twinview |
| 17:02.48 | stoned | its a very nice a |
| 17:02.58 | Eclipser | stoned, I have 6600 something |
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| 17:03.22 | Eclipser | wintix, thanks |
| 17:04.19 | stoned | Eclipser: I saved 80$ by not buying a GT version. I got a GS version, and clocked it up to speed same as the GT. only 100Mhz DDR lower than GT, but 25Mhz Faster on the core clock. from 400/800 to 585/1200 |
| 17:04.23 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:04.45 | stoned | on stock voltage too. Heat isn't an issue, it doesn't get hot |
| 17:04.56 | Eclipser | stoned, I should've saved some money and bought a real graphics card |
| 17:05.01 | brainb0x | stew, sorry for this again, just wanna ask if there's a downloadable .deb for coreutils? |
| 17:05.01 | Eclipser | I don't need 3d power :) |
| 17:05.03 | stoned | haha |
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| 17:05.10 | stew | brainb0x: wrong channel |
| 17:05.18 | stoned | Eclipser: I require it for some linux games |
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| 17:05.29 | Eclipser | I only play stepmania |
| 17:05.39 | stoned | Eclipser: plus its nice to show off Beryl etc. to windoes noobs *family members* |
| 17:05.40 | brainb0x | stew ok thanks |
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| 17:05.49 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:05.49 | stew | brainb0x: debian has lots of versions of coreutils, i have no idea which you need |
| 17:05.55 | Amarande | I just hooked up a USB hard drive and don't see anything in syslog |
| 17:05.57 | Eclipser | stoned, and I use wmii :) |
| 17:05.58 | HostilePenguin | any ideas why usb optical mouse wont power off? 2.6.18-4 |
| 17:05.59 | Amarande | and am not sure which device to mount |
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| 17:06.25 | cydork | Amarande: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 17:06.27 | wintix | HostilePenguin: why would it? |
| 17:06.28 | Gokee2 | stoned, You are required to play Linux games? |
| 17:06.28 | simonrvn | sda? :) |
| 17:06.38 | stoned | Gokee2: I am? |
| 17:06.45 | Amarande | ls: /dev/sd*: No such file or directory |
| 17:06.50 | cwheeler | yes especially when stoned |
| 17:06.53 | HostilePenguin | when i power off machine shouldnt the mouse power off too? |
| 17:06.59 | cydork | o.0 |
| 17:07.03 | Eclipser | nvidia twinview example shows horiz/vert syncs, do I really need to specify those |
| 17:07.08 | Gokee2 | stoned, "stoned Eclipser: I require it for some linux games" |
| 17:07.14 | wintix | HostilePenguin: if you have usb wakeup stuff enabled in the bios, no. |
| 17:07.15 | stoned | Eclipser: in my case, I had to |
| 17:07.17 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:07.20 | Eclipser | gah |
| 17:07.21 | Amarande | maybe it would help if I turned it on |
| 17:07.27 | Eclipser | I don't know them.. |
| 17:07.43 | simonrvn | Amarande: that would help, yeh |
| 17:07.43 | stoned | Gokee2: you read wrong. In english, it means "I require *3d ACCEL* to play some games under linux" |
| 17:07.51 | HostilePenguin | man everything powers off except mouse |
| 17:07.57 | Gokee2 | mmmm |
| 17:08.16 | stoned | Gokee2: it was in context to Eclipser about 3d accel |
| 17:08.29 | wintix | HostilePenguin: you just don't realise that your keabord is on, too :) |
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| 17:09.05 | ffed | how do i clean up my tmp files in debian ? |
| 17:09.16 | simonrvn | rm |
| 17:09.21 | ffed | i have run out of disk space on my / mount :( |
| 17:09.23 | wintix | what tmp files, ffed? those from apt-get/aptitude? |
| 17:09.25 | simonrvn | like any other os |
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| 17:09.40 | ffed | wintix: yes like tmp installer files and such |
| 17:09.42 | Eclipser | can I somehow figure out the horiz/vert syncs? |
| 17:09.52 | wintix | ffed: apt-get clean will clean the downloaded .deb files |
| 17:09.56 | ffed | simonrvn: there is no other os' :) |
| 17:10.10 | simonrvn | *bzzt* |
| 17:10.11 | ffed | wintix: ill give it a try |
| 17:10.12 | stoned | Eclipser: look for monitor specs on google for your model |
| 17:10.45 | h3sp4wn | Eclipser: Try read-edid |
| 17:12.01 | abrotman | try the manual! |
| 17:12.17 | Eclipser | I never had the manuals |
| 17:12.24 | Eclipser | I've never bought a monitor |
| 17:12.38 | ffed | ok, i have found out that my /var/log is filled with 28G log files - how do i rotate theese and Gzip them ? |
| 17:13.05 | simonrvn | logrotate |
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| 17:13.06 | wintix | ffed: logrotate |
| 17:13.26 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:13.32 | abrotman | or delete pr0n.log .. problem solved! |
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| 17:13.42 | wintix | heh |
| 17:13.48 | Amarande | what parameter would I give to 'find' if I want it to recursively return regular files, but not directories? |
| 17:13.55 | stew | Amarande: -type f |
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| 17:14.00 | Amarande | I just copied a bunch of stuff over from a ntfs drive and need to -x all the files |
| 17:14.00 | simonrvn | -type f |
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| 17:14.18 | Amarande | however, chmod -R 600 will not do |
| 17:14.19 | stew | Amarande: chmod -R -X dir |
| 17:14.35 | Amarande | stew, that sets directories to non-usable too |
| 17:14.40 | stew | Amarande: no it doesn't |
| 17:14.42 | justnulling2 | i just installed note package and it doesn't work with mysql are there any similar projects? |
| 17:14.47 | dimi3 | how to setup addtional addresses on an interface, I found that this should be logical interface but no success so far setting it |
| 17:14.50 | simonrvn | | xargs chmod -X |
| 17:15.08 | Kemurii | hey, issue with Etch Xen vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64, it doesn't boot.. problem is that I don't have access to a monitor to look what's going on.. any suggestions how to debug this? |
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| 17:15.18 | rahul | find -type f -exec chmod -x "{}" \; |
| 17:15.29 | stew | hmm, wait, why is -X not working |
| 17:15.35 | simonrvn | you probably want -print0 for find and -0 (zero) for xargs |
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| 17:15.43 | simonrvn | eeew -exec |
| 17:16.02 | stew | Amarande: nm me |
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| 17:16.12 | abrotman | Kemurii: checked the BTS ? |
| 17:16.17 | simonrvn | -X should work, but i normally use -x |
| 17:16.36 | abrotman | you also eat poutine! |
| 17:16.47 | simonrvn | and you don't? |
| 17:16.54 | abrotman | i would if we had it here .. we don't |
| 17:16.54 | stew | simonrvn: i was thinking that the -X would skip the directories as compared to -x but its not the case |
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| 17:16.58 | dimi3 | I want to setup two ip addresses on the same interface to run simultanteously |
| 17:16.58 | Amarande | also, do all regular users on Debian have the ability to shut down the system via GNOME? |
| 17:17.09 | Amarande | I'd like to take that away from users other than root and myself, if I can |
| 17:17.10 | Kemurii | abrotman: will check it out |
| 17:17.12 | valdyn | Amarande: none by default |
| 17:17.13 | abrotman | dimi3: you want ipaliasing |
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| 17:17.20 | stoned | stew: in the list of packages up for adoption... there is a long list of orphaned packages. What does orphan mean in this context? no maintainer? or they are too old and not to be used in debian? |
| 17:17.23 | Amarande | ahh, I have the shut down option under mine |
| 17:17.26 | simonrvn | no, and it doesn't matter anyway, since you're telling find to find only files, hence the xargs |
| 17:17.26 | stoned | stew: I am unclear on this |
| 17:17.28 | kevinl-1 | Kemurii: |
| 17:17.28 | Amarande | but maybe that's something the initial user gets by default |
| 17:17.32 | kevinl-1 | its a VM ? |
| 17:17.38 | valdyn | Amarande: no, iirc |
| 17:17.42 | kevinl-1 | isnt there a server console for xen that will tell you ? |
| 17:17.43 | simonrvn | so, put together: |
| 17:17.45 | kevinl-1 | something? |
| 17:18.05 | simonrvn | find /somepathincluding. -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod -x |
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| 17:18.10 | Kemurii | kevinl-1: no, it's dom0 |
| 17:18.23 | TeReL50 | !deborphan |
| 17:18.23 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
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| 17:18.52 | stoned | TeReL50: umm that is not what I wanted to know, but thanks |
| 17:18.59 | abrotman | !tell dimi3 about ipalias |
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| 17:19.04 | simonrvn | stew: abandoned by previous maintainer, and now no maintainer |
| 17:19.08 | stoned | I am asking about orphaned packages up for adoption |
| 17:19.13 | simonrvn | stew: sorry, meant for stoned |
| 17:19.14 | stoned | simonrvn: meant it for me i think |
| 17:19.17 | stoned | :) |
| 17:19.22 | abrotman | stoned: debian.org/devel/wnpp has a list |
| 17:19.23 | TeReL50 | stoned, like it says, those files became useless and can be deleted |
| 17:19.24 | stoned | simonrvn: ok I see |
| 17:19.37 | simonrvn | TeReL50: wrong context |
| 17:19.45 | stoned | TeReL50: don't worry about it bro :) |
| 17:19.45 | TeReL50 | oops |
| 17:20.06 | TeReL50 | :) |
| 17:20.07 | abrotman | stoned: though i'd probably go for RFP packages to start :) |
| 17:20.18 | stoned | abrotman: yeh I was considering those too |
| 17:20.24 | stoned | I have a lot of free time these days |
| 17:20.27 | simonrvn | or alternate rpf/orphaned |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | stoned: get a job you lazy bum :) |
| 17:20.47 | stoned | abrotman: hehe, I did, I don't start for another 2 weeks |
| 17:20.56 | dimi3 | abrotman: ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.1/24 gives me Cannot assign requested address |
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| 17:21.13 | Kemurii | abrotman: great, I'm not alone, thanks! |
| 17:21.14 | abrotman | dimi3: did you up it ? |
| 17:21.21 | abrotman | Kemurii: sadly .. apparently not |
| 17:21.33 | Kemurii | loosing money now, but ok |
| 17:21.40 | simonrvn | 'losing' |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | stoned: i'm a personal fan of roadnav .. but it's GTK .. so you might not want to do it :) |
| 17:21.51 | Kemurii | damn apple keyboard :P |
| 17:21.56 | stew | dimi3: you mean "ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" |
| 17:22.04 | stoned | abrotman: didn't you hear the latest news? |
| 17:22.33 | abrotman | stoned: you got laid? |
| 17:22.33 | stoned | abrotman: asshole lol |
| 17:22.33 | stoned | no man |
| 17:22.33 | stoned | I ditched kde |
| 17:22.35 | abrotman | you told me last night :) |
| 17:22.36 | stoned | and today i went back to it |
| 17:22.38 | stoned | ! |
| 17:22.39 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:22.42 | stoned | hahaha |
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| 17:22.55 | Amarande | I really should not have kept three complete copies of my mp3 collection on this USB in different directories :| |
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| 17:23.05 | dimi3 | abrotman, stew : thanks! |
| 17:23.11 | stoned | abrotman: and i been getting laid since before you even started liking girls |
| 17:23.12 | stoned | :) |
| 17:23.41 | stoned | my younger brother thought they all had cooties till he was 12 |
| 17:23.49 | stoned | it was hilarious |
| 17:23.56 | abrotman | stoned: or you could try 'wired' .. which i'm pretty sure still isn't in debian |
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| 17:24.24 | stoned | sired? |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | stoned: ah .. it has an ITP .. nevermind |
| 17:24.26 | stoned | wired*? |
| 17:24.33 | abrotman | stoned: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394755 |
| 17:24.37 | stoned | sec |
| 17:24.59 | stoned | !dbugs 394755 |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | and appears to be done .. just waiting for a 'mentor' |
| 17:25.03 | dpkg | #394755:W[wnpp] ITP: wired -- Professional music production and creation software; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:03:07 UTC |
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| 17:25.07 | stoned | ahh |
| 17:25.14 | stoned | I might be interested in it |
| 17:25.17 | stoned | music making :) |
| 17:25.19 | analfabeta | in a debian package, i need add some .conf's, i add in conffiles inside debian/ directory, but in dpkg-buildpackage, i got errors |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | it's done already :) |
| 17:25.31 | Eclipser | ha |
| 17:25.35 | Eclipser | got the rates |
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| 17:25.42 | appelza | hi guys |
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| 17:25.56 | appelza | how do I install rdiff-backup version 1.0.5? (stable on their website) ? |
| 17:25.58 | stoned | Eclipser: i had to do this too for twinview, had to look up my rates on google for my model monitors |
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| 17:26.02 | stoned | my grammar is horrible |
| 17:26.15 | Octopssy | How do I know if I use TCPD? |
| 17:26.18 | appelza | I can only get either 1.1.5 (stable/testing) or 0.something (sarge) |
| 17:26.21 | simonrvn | at least you didn't spell grammar 'grammer' |
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| 17:26.30 | stoned | simonrvn: hehe, people do that? |
| 17:26.36 | simonrvn | sarge is oldstable now |
| 17:26.41 | simonrvn | stoned: yes they do |
| 17:26.46 | stoned | wow |
| 17:26.58 | Eclipser | stoned, I couldn't find this monitor on google |
| 17:27.05 | Eclipser | understandable as it's 8-9 years old |
| 17:27.08 | stoned | Eclipser: read edid? |
| 17:27.12 | simonrvn | and that's people with english as a *first* language |
| 17:27.26 | stoned | simonrvn: english isn't my first language, but I think do well enough |
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| 17:27.35 | simonrvn | you do |
| 17:27.42 | simonrvn | isn't mine either |
| 17:27.47 | stoned | yeh |
| 17:27.49 | stoned | you speak canadian :) |
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| 17:27.52 | Eclipser | stoned, I plugged it in my primary output and made nvidia-settings output the edid and parse them with parse-edid... get-edid just segfaulted.. |
| 17:27.52 | stoned | HAHAHA j/k |
| 17:28.01 | simonrvn | don't insult me ;p |
| 17:28.20 | stoned | simonrvn: you speak tribal native american language? |
| 17:28.24 | stoned | I am guessing? |
| 17:28.38 | simonrvn | stoned: not fluently, no |
| 17:28.45 | stoned | ahh, which one is it though? |
| 17:28.59 | Eclipser | what is? |
| 17:29.02 | simonrvn | jsut a few words, Mi'kmaq, Anishnabek, Cree |
| 17:29.14 | stoned | simonrvn: which tribe? |
| 17:29.18 | simonrvn | oh and a bit of Innu |
| 17:29.38 | simonrvn | me? Mi'kmaq Nation |
| 17:29.38 | stoned | simonrvn: I lived in oklahoma for a while, I was friends with many native americans |
| 17:30.29 | stoned | ahh, northern parts of north american i guess |
| 17:30.29 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:30.29 | nadir | cansomeone help me with my apache problem, i acnt get my vhosts to work! |
| 17:30.29 | stoned | nadir: #apache perhaps |
| 17:30.29 | simonrvn | #apache? |
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| 17:30.42 | rahul | Ronin: simonrvn emerged fully formed from a badger's butt |
| 17:30.49 | simonrvn | Ronin: all over northern Turtle Island |
| 17:30.49 | nadir | stoned: i tried |
| 17:30.51 | nadir | :( |
| 17:30.59 | stoned | be patient young grasshopper |
| 17:31.09 | Ronin | trying to remember if the locals mi'kmaq here or not |
| 17:31.10 | stoned | the chances of finding an apache guru in #apache are higher than in #debian |
| 17:31.17 | simonrvn | Ronin: where? |
| 17:31.20 | Ronin | i should know that, i live across the damn street from the reserve |
| 17:31.24 | Ronin | simonrvn: fredericton, nb |
| 17:31.36 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, Maliseet too |
| 17:31.42 | Octopssy | Does anyone know how I can see if I use tcpd? |
| 17:31.51 | stoned | you know, in oklahoma they all were like, yeh im indian |
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| 17:31.53 | stoned | im indian |
| 17:31.57 | simonrvn | and maybe some Abenaki |
| 17:31.58 | stoned | im like no, you're not fucking indian |
| 17:32.07 | stoned | you're fucking native american, I'm fucking indian |
| 17:32.08 | stoned | cuz im from india |
| 17:32.09 | stoned | lol |
| 17:32.11 | rahul | ! |
| 17:32.14 | stoned | i thought it was funny' |
| 17:32.14 | rahul | you tell em |
| 17:32.15 | stoned | :) |
| 17:32.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | easy with the f |
| 17:32.37 | abrotman | simonrvn doesn't need to read those words .. he's only 12 |
| 17:32.42 | simonrvn | ! |
| 17:32.42 | stoned | hahaha |
| 17:32.45 | Eclipser | moment of truth |
| 17:32.46 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 17:32.48 | rahul | heh |
| 17:32.50 | Eclipser | does it work or does it not work |
| 17:33.02 | stoned | Octopssy: eh |
| 17:33.05 | stoned | !tcpd |
| 17:33.15 | stoned | i dun even know what it is |
| 17:33.19 | rahul | Octopssy: look at /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:33.41 | Eclipser | well uh |
| 17:33.54 | Eclipser | it does work but... |
| 17:34.22 | rahul | but you didn't expect a badger to be so good in bed? |
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| 17:34.48 | Eclipser | the resolution of the second monitor was too high and it acted as one desktop which I don't want :< |
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| 17:36.49 | Eclipser | can't I have the other monitor to have 1280x960 and the other 1024x768 and preferrably have them both have their own desktop.. |
| 17:38.09 | rahul | not with modern video cards |
| 17:38.17 | rahul | old ones could |
| 17:38.24 | Eclipser | why I wonder |
| 17:38.29 | simonrvn | well that's fucked up then |
| 17:38.46 | rahul | because hardware manufacturers are assholes |
| 17:38.57 | appelza | how do I install rdiff-backup version 1.0.5? (stable on their website) ? |
| 17:38.58 | stoned | for example, ATI |
| 17:39.01 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 17:39.11 | rahul | actually, ATI might let you do this, still |
| 17:39.18 | rahul | nvidia is too cool for school |
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| 17:40.15 | Eclipser | well sucks |
| 17:40.15 | stoned | can you get GL acceleration over sshX? Say a box is running beryl, and I've got a client with AIGLX enabled, or say Xgl? |
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| 17:40.17 | simonrvn | ati can suck my one, and nvidia can suck my right one |
| 17:40.21 | simonrvn | my left* |
| 17:40.37 | rajk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.38 | rahul | stoned: that's GLX |
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| 17:40.42 | Innuendo | hi... I'm trying to recover the filesystem of my pen drive... someone tried to format it using ntfs and it stops working |
| 17:40.45 | stew | appelza: do you really mean 1.0.5? debian stable currently has 1.1.5 |
| 17:40.45 | abrotman | rajk: hit ctrl-c .. try again |
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| 17:41.12 | abrotman | xingu: watching Mr. Rogers ? |
| 17:41.20 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 17:41.24 | rahul | stoned: probably doesn;t work with AIGLX or XGL |
| 17:41.34 | xingu | abrotman: notebook guys got back to me with a bios that allows ahci to be enabled |
| 17:41.41 | stoned | rahul: I want to know if B has AIGLX on nvidia + Beryl active, and I have AIGLX or Xgl on my A, will I get the effects of Beryl from B onto A? |
| 17:41.43 | abrotman | xingu: good .. now fix this damn box |
| 17:42.00 | stoned | rahul: that is over sshX |
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| 17:42.08 | rahul | stoned: probably not |
| 17:42.12 | stoned | rahul: or maybe through XDMCP? |
| 17:42.17 | rajk | abrotman: i have tried several times and with a few different sources.lst configurations. |
| 17:42.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 17:42.31 | stoned | you know what I should ask in #beryl |
| 17:42.39 | rahul | XDMCP is just for discovery of machines that an X server can poll for clients |
| 17:42.47 | appelza | stew: yes, 1.0.5 |
| 17:42.53 | simonrvn | "why do you suck?" |
| 17:42.55 | appelza | I need that exact version :( |
| 17:42.58 | rajk | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/456127 |
| 17:43.09 | stoned | simonrvn: cuz it makes my partner feel good : |
| 17:43.11 | stoned | :) |
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| 17:43.17 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 17:43.23 | appelza | ive tried installing from the tarball but got some errors, so first want to make sure there is no way with apt before I handle those errors... |
| 17:43.30 | Eclipser | well now, this is rather useless |
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| 17:43.38 | stoned | what is? |
| 17:43.46 | Eclipser | one wide desktop |
| 17:43.50 | simonrvn | it not doing what he wants |
| 17:43.53 | stoned | not really |
| 17:44.01 | stoned | I have a 3200x1600 desktop |
| 17:44.03 | stoned | dual head |
| 17:44.03 | Eclipser | it is to me |
| 17:44.05 | stoned | its beautiful |
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| 17:44.11 | simonrvn | tools on one, picture on the other |
| 17:44.19 | Eclipser | my window damager doesn't works well on it |
| 17:44.25 | stoned | er.. 3200x1200 |
| 17:44.33 | simonrvn | heh, 'damager' |
| 17:44.40 | stoned | lol |
| 17:44.43 | Eclipser | that's what it is! |
| 17:44.44 | rahul | haha |
| 17:44.50 | simonrvn | :D |
| 17:44.52 | stoned | abrotman made a funny a few days ago |
| 17:44.55 | stoned | it was hilarious |
| 17:45.06 | simonrvn | did it stink? |
| 17:45.06 | abrotman | lies! |
| 17:45.12 | stoned | "what debian version are you ruining" |
| 17:45.13 | stoned | lol |
| 17:45.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:45.17 | Eclipser | :) |
| 17:45.56 | tvynr | SSH login between my machines is very slow if a password is required but not if I'm using public/private key authentication. Anyone have a guess as to why? |
| 17:45.57 | Micer | hmm cant reslove dns names http://pastebin.ca/456136 anny hints ? |
| 17:46.24 | simonrvn | i can imagine the person doing something like installing sid glibc on etch, and wondering why things are segfaulting ;p |
| 17:46.28 | Innuendo | :( |
| 17:46.34 | xand | Micer: put your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:47.52 | yetifoot | stoned, thats a quality mistake |
| 17:48.02 | lokkju_wrk | tvynr, do you have host lookup on, and not have the client machine in the hosts table? I have seen that be a major issue |
| 17:48.09 | yetifoot | i consider myself to be ruining, rather than running debian |
| 17:48.21 | Micer | xand THX its works now :) |
| 17:48.27 | simonrvn | !thx |
| 17:48.27 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
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| 17:49.37 | tvynr | lokkju_wrk: Hrm. Possibly. Host lookup would be the bit where the server does a reverse DNS lookup to try to verify that the hostname for the IP hasn't changed, yes? Is that on by default in Debian? |
| 17:49.55 | lokkju_wrk | tvynr, beleive so... |
| 17:50.08 | tvynr | lokkju_wrk: Thanks for the hint; I'll go take a look at that. |
| 17:50.13 | lokkju_wrk | tvynr, easiest is just to add you client's ip into the /etc/hosts file |
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| 17:51.49 | tvynr | lokkju_wrk: One of the places I'm experiencing problems is sshing to my work machine from a test box which is running an experimental LiveCD. So I'd rather not modify /etc/hosts. But I'm sure I can turn off the host verification. I'm going to read up on how important it might be security-wise. |
| 17:52.58 | simonrvn | very, in these day of old redhat 4.0 machines turned zombie ... |
| 17:53.03 | simonrvn | days* |
| 17:53.33 | lokkju_wrk | tvynr, not at all, really - all it is doing is a hostname lookup - AFAIK, it does not prevent you from connecting, it is only for logging purposes |
| 17:53.59 | simonrvn | not just |
| 17:54.24 | tvynr | lokkju_wrk: It might also have something to do with known_hosts, AFAIK. I've had complaints before if the hostname for my dev box didn't match the IP it had on record for it. |
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| 17:54.53 | simonrvn | has exactly to do with it, and other things |
| 17:55.13 | simonrvn | !lart rajk |
| 17:55.17 | stew | rajk: plesae don't do that in here |
| 17:55.32 | rajk | sorry i was trying to seewhat my nickname was set to... |
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| 17:56.00 | simonrvn | lame client if it won't show you that ... |
| 17:56.03 | stew | rajk: '/nick' should tell you |
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| 17:56.09 | xingu | ooh err, nvidia-9755 in sid too |
| 17:56.13 | xingu | today *has* been a good day |
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| 17:56.25 | rajk | stew: cheers |
| 17:56.44 | Azar | dpkg should take stonned's comments as logo : please /msg dpkg screwup |
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| 17:56.44 | invi | mmh any news on the current fglrx massacre? |
| 17:56.51 | rajk | was wondering if anyone has had trouble accessing the repos. mine freezes at 99% headers.. |
| 17:56.53 | tvynr | lokkju_wrk: However, I seem to have "UseDNS No" in my sshd_config and no dice. :-/ |
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| 17:57.14 | yetifoot | invi, someones asking about something like that in #linux, can't get his ATI working on etch |
| 17:57.42 | invi | yep, seems ati did not follow the new version numbering scheme in xorg |
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| 17:57.59 | appelza | how do I install rdiff-backup version 1.0.5? (stable on their website) ? |
| 17:58.04 | invi | and the version checks in some binary only <duh!> module |
| 17:58.07 | Azar | nvidia might not be the best, but is "workable" |
| 17:58.23 | abrotman | appelza: which version is in etch ? |
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| 17:58.31 | drwahl | how can i make an .iso out of a cd in debian? |
| 17:58.40 | invi | drwahl: dd? |
| 17:58.53 | xand | abrotman: 1.1.5 :D |
| 17:58.57 | Azar | jareth_: no ctcp please |
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| 17:59.01 | drwahl | invi: :) thanks |
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| 17:59.09 | xand | appelza: that's older than the etch version |
| 17:59.11 | Azar | err that was for rajk |
| 17:59.27 | Azar | sorry jareth_ disregard |
| 17:59.30 | abrotman | !info rdiff-backup sarge |
| 17:59.34 | appelza | xand: I know |
| 17:59.37 | dpkg | rdiff-backup: (incremental backups using binary deltas), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.13.4-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 556 kB |
| 17:59.41 | abrotman | cute |
| 17:59.46 | xand | appelza: why do you want an old one? |
| 17:59.47 | crm_ | i have a quick question |
| 17:59.49 | appelza | xand: but it's the stable one on rdiff's website. |
| 17:59.51 | xand | crm_: ask it then |
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| 17:59.59 | abrotman | appelza: you can try snapshot.debian.org .. but it's probably not really a good idea |
| 18:00.01 | crm_ | my ext2.fsck .. isn't working? |
| 18:00.03 | abrotman | or maybe .net |
| 18:00.04 | xand | appelza: if it's in etch, it should stable |
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| 18:00.11 | xand | !doesn't work |
| 18:00.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:00.15 | crm_ | fsck crashes |
| 18:00.16 | xand | +be |
| 18:00.19 | appelza | xand: apart from that, its also the version we have deployed on our other servers, and I dont want to upgrade all of them instead of just using 1.0.5 on this one. |
| 18:00.29 | crm_ | on startup.. so i renamed the exe for my filesystem |
| 18:00.33 | appelza | xand: thanks, ive checked..but its not :( |
| 18:00.35 | abrotman | appelza: compile your own |
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| 18:00.46 | crm_ | so the system would start |
| 18:00.48 | xand | appelza: what's wrong with it? |
| 18:00.48 | appelza | abrotman: seems like ill have to do that yeah. |
| 18:00.49 | appelza | thanks |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | appelza: you could also make your own package |
| 18:01.02 | appelza | xand: nothing I know of |
| 18:01.03 | xand | the version of rdiff-backup in sarge was sucky |
| 18:01.05 | rajk | Azar: ctcp? |
| 18:01.14 | appelza | xand: yeah thats a 0.something version |
| 18:01.17 | Azar | rajk: yep was on my screen |
| 18:01.23 | Yggdrasil | whats the other thing thats lke hotplug ? |
| 18:01.26 | Yggdrasil | udev ? |
| 18:01.32 | crm_ | is there anything i can do to run fsck without it crashing.. is there an alternative? |
| 18:01.41 | Kemurii | anyone has a good Xen HOWTO on Etch.. not getting far just using packages :/ |
| 18:01.45 | xand | crm_: explain how it crashes |
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| 18:01.56 | abrotman | Kemurii: there's a #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:02.23 | crm_ | xaan.. i think its a segfault |
| 18:02.24 | Azar | Kemurii: I saw one on Lxer site |
| 18:02.29 | crm_ | err xand |
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| 18:02.53 | itchi | abrotman: Heh, i have a nice stip for you :-) http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=debiantoonsconcepthb1.jpg |
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| 18:03.00 | Yggdrasil | or shall i say , where can i stop my system from loading a certain kernel module ? |
| 18:03.01 | itchi | arg strip :-p |
| 18:03.08 | xand | !blacklist |
| 18:03.08 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 18:03.17 | abrotman | itchi: no thanks |
| 18:03.17 | Yggdrasil | thanks |
| 18:03.21 | AntiLiberal | Hi, what is the base system install size for the latest version of debian? |
| 18:03.28 | fireba11 | arcil : what you need ? |
| 18:03.36 | itchi | abrotman: Someone showed me that yesterday, kinda funny |
| 18:03.41 | sknight | hey guys, quick /etc/network/interface question |
| 18:03.43 | AntiLiberal | Gentoo installs a bunch of stuff which takes up a lot of space |
| 18:03.45 | Eclipser | well now I have two displays, :0.0 and :0.1 on different screens but I wonder how to use the :0.1 one :> |
| 18:03.47 | abrotman | itchi: he's been banned for trolling |
| 18:04.05 | sknight | when using pre-up et. al, is there a way to pass the requested IP address to a function/script called by pre-up? |
| 18:04.09 | simonrvn | vt switching? :) |
| 18:04.19 | simonrvn | Eclipser: ^^^ |
| 18:04.36 | sknight | long story short, I'm trying to craft a pre-up that will check an IP address via ping to see if it's up before assigning it to a virtual interface (multi-homed machine, etc) |
| 18:04.41 | Azar | Kemurii: http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=166 |
| 18:04.57 | Yggdrasil | !blacklist init |
| 18:05.02 | Eclipser | simonrvn, apparently they're both on the same vt (F7) |
| 18:05.06 | itchi | abrotman: Oh, no, it was someone of #debian-nl, it was this night and had view the message this morning. His nick is 'Toyd' |
| 18:05.12 | crm_ | so.. if fscking a disk refuses to complete.. my only option is to backup my stuff and rebuild? |
| 18:05.20 | Yggdrasil | !blacklist-init |
| 18:05.26 | Eclipser | simonrvn, wot |
| 18:05.29 | stew | Yggdrasil: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:05.43 | Eclipser | simonrvn, I can move the mouse there... |
| 18:05.52 | Yggdrasil | i need to figure out where some modules are getting laoded,at . for a video capture card |
| 18:05.52 | Eclipser | simonrvn, but I want keyboard ;_; |
| 18:05.59 | Kemurii | Azar: thanks |
| 18:06.23 | Azar | Kemurii: n/p good luck |
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| 18:06.44 | tvynr | Alrighty. If I use password to authenticate logins to my SSH server, it takes five to ten seconds to provide a password prompt. If I use public/private key authentication, it takes no time at all. Relevant logs running both the server and the client in debug mode are thus: http://pastebin.ca/456169 |
| 18:06.48 | stew | Yggdrasil: why do you need to know? |
| 18:06.52 | Yggdrasil | i dont know |
| 18:06.56 | Yggdrasil | i have to step out fora sec |
| 18:07.05 | Yggdrasil | im just gnna research it , when i get back thanks |
| 18:07.09 | Yggdrasil | 1.25 hours |
| 18:07.26 | stew | Yggdrasil: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:07.30 | Azar | gui login screens might be slower |
| 18:07.31 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
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| 18:08.37 | abrotman | itchi: yes .. he's been banned because he's an idiot |
| 18:08.56 | itchi | abrotman: Dunno, sorry for that pic then :-s |
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| 18:09.13 | arcil | fireba11: i am having problems compiling the xbnbt source, i had no problems with bnbt but i want to have the rss function of xbnbt. it got stuck at mysql.h (http://pastebin.ca/456173) the mysql.h is installed and i dont know how to finish this |
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| 18:09.48 | analfabeta | hi |
| 18:09.53 | AntiLiberal | what is the base system install size for the latest version of debian? |
| 18:09.59 | Heston | is there an official release of lenny yet? |
| 18:09.59 | abrotman | itchi: he appears to be trolling multiple debian channels |
| 18:10.02 | stoned | 250~ish MB |
| 18:10.03 | abrotman | Heston: no |
| 18:10.06 | AntiLiberal | thx |
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| 18:10.24 | stoned | I might be off though |
| 18:10.32 | Saizan | did someone got the nvidia driver to build with 2.6.20? |
| 18:10.33 | AntiLiberal | installed a versian of debain on a 486. It had a 2.2 kernel and was around 120MB |
| 18:10.36 | Azar | stoned: have a great day then |
| 18:10.44 | stew | Heston: lenny only became testing a couple of weeks ago. debian release typically take years, not weeks |
| 18:10.46 | analfabeta | i need do a debian package with some files to configuration, like /etc/nsswitch.conf, but i dont know where i need put that files, i add in conffiles, but doesnt work |
| 18:10.47 | stoned | Azar: no I'm no t leaving |
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| 18:10.57 | fireba11 | arcil : hm .. compiled only bnbt ... the xbnbt i took the pre-compiled one :-D |
| 18:10.58 | abrotman | AntiLiberal: potato or woody most likely |
| 18:10.58 | Azar | stoned: aggghhhh sorry didn't read above :) |
| 18:11.04 | xingu | Saizan: the experimental/sid versions should work unmolested |
| 18:11.13 | EnsignRedshirt | If I am running sarge, and I want the security updates and I want to use debian backports, is this source.list correct? http://pastebin.ca/456176 |
| 18:11.27 | EnsignRedshirt | Anything missing? |
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| 18:11.48 | stoned | EnsignRedshirt: looks ok |
| 18:12.08 | arcil | fireba11: heh, where did you get it? i only found a old version (XBNBT-1 Release 2) in a rpm package |
| 18:12.13 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, on #debian-nl for example |
| 18:12.22 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: yes, but you should add 'contrib non-free' to the security line so you get updates for those packages as well |
| 18:12.34 | stoned | stew: I missed that one |
| 18:12.35 | Azar | EnsignRedshirt: looks clean |
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| 18:12.50 | fireba11 | arcil: i'll have a look |
| 18:12.51 | Azar | uh stew, thanks for this one, I thought security line does not need non-free |
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| 18:13.12 | EnsignRedshirt | stoned, stew, Azar: Thanks for checking. |
| 18:13.15 | Azar | are we patching non-free packages ? |
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| 18:13.50 | Heston | stew, so if i tried to update to the testing branch at this point, would i have a working system or would i even be able to? |
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| 18:16.08 | Jayu | Hi and sorry my english, in my job a stupid co-worker all time use against me 'arp poisioning' and he redirect on anopther pages, put me random images etc, how can I prevent this? |
| 18:16.36 | Jayu | Hi and sorry my english, in my job a stupid co-worker all time use against me 'arp poisioning' and he redirect on another pages, put me random images etc, how can I prevent this? |
| 18:16.37 | Azar | sounds fun |
| 18:16.56 | CartoonCats | Jayu, contact your network admin |
| 18:17.05 | Jayu | yes, but I have no time for to play with him ... |
| 18:17.06 | AntiLiberal | CartoonCats, that's the cheap way |
| 18:17.13 | Jayu | CartoonCats: he is the admin ... |
| 18:17.13 | EnsignRedshirt | According to packages.debian.com, there is a gfortran package, but apt-get doesn't find it when I try to install it. Is the web page incorrect? |
| 18:17.18 | Jayu | an stupid admin |
| 18:17.19 | Heston | lmao |
| 18:17.21 | Azar | Jayu: put his mouse in jello |
| 18:17.23 | EnsignRedshirt | *packages.debian.org |
| 18:17.33 | fireba11 | arcil: hm ... think i got confused, i rpobably really build from source. . go to #bittorrent ... they will help you there |
| 18:17.41 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: put the output of "apt-cache policy gfortran" into a pastebin |
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| 18:17.42 | CartoonCats | AntiLiberal yea but it got what i susepcted, hes boned |
| 18:17.45 | Azar | Jayu: or glue his mouse to the desk |
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| 18:18.06 | stew | Heston: its possible to upgrade to testing. testing is often broken. don't upgrade to testing if that might be a problem |
| 18:18.15 | Jayu | Azar: I have'nt time to play with him, I only want to prevent this and forgett him |
| 18:18.23 | Jayu | what is the way? |
| 18:18.32 | stew | Jayu: if he controls the network, you cannot prevent hom from doing this |
| 18:18.33 | Saizan | xingu: it complains that the driver use a symbel eprmitted only in GPL modules |
| 18:18.34 | Jayu | It is not possible prevent 'arp poison' ? |
| 18:18.42 | Heston | Jayu, use tor or something similar |
| 18:18.44 | Azar | Jayu: Debian has no ways with abusive co-workers: call police |
| 18:18.48 | stew | Jayu: not when the network admin wants to do it |
| 18:18.54 | Jayu | :( |
| 18:18.56 | CartoonCats | Jayu, not if the net admin really wants to step into it |
| 18:19.03 | CartoonCats | exactly |
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| 18:19.28 | Jayu | using an static arp will work? |
| 18:19.44 | stew | Jayu: for arp poison. it won't prevent him from hijacking youre dns requests |
| 18:19.45 | Jayu | I have no idea how to prevent :( |
| 18:20.20 | Jayu | I think that it uses some tool called 'ettercapt' or something like this to 'fuck' me :( |
| 18:20.24 | Octopssy | anyone here familia with installing GLFTPD? |
| 18:20.26 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: I just get this: W: Unable to locate package gfortran |
| 18:20.28 | Octopssy | familiar* |
| 18:20.33 | CartoonCats | Jayu, there isnt much you can do, and since the network is big enough to need a admin you can not jsut bypass the network (say with a pptp to a outside location) |
| 18:20.41 | stoned | http://debian.osuosl.org <-- where is this located? |
| 18:20.50 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: have you run "aptitude update" recently? |
| 18:21.37 | Jayu | okey, thanks alot |
| 18:21.37 | stoned | I can't seem to be able to find out |
| 18:21.38 | stew | stoned: http://geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&ipaddress=debian.osuosl.org%20 |
| 18:21.38 | stoned | but is this what sate? |
| 18:21.38 | stoned | state? |
| 18:21.38 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: Yes, (well, apt-get update, actually). |
| 18:21.38 | stew | stoned: CT |
| 18:21.38 | stoned | er.. this is which state? |
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| 18:21.40 | stoned | oh ok |
| 18:21.44 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: (and Reload in Synaptic) |
| 18:22.30 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: yeah, it looks like that package didn't exist in sarge, only etch and later |
| 18:22.31 | stoned | stew: thanks |
| 18:23.00 | stoned | stew: which debian mirror do you use? Something in NY ? |
| 18:23.22 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: Ah, I forgot, sarge is no longer "stable". Doh! |
| 18:23.27 | tarzeau | Azar: so do we play slune now? |
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| 18:23.46 | Azar | tarzeau: :) not yet just back from dentist, feeling bitchy |
| 18:24.02 | Azar | gotta get a painkiller, sleep a bit and Ill be fine |
| 18:24.07 | stew | stoned: mirrors.kernel.org when it isn't broken, debian.uchicago.edu when it is |
| 18:24.17 | stoned | ok thanks |
| 18:24.25 | stew | stoned: rutgers has one that is also often fast |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | use the .gov one!~ |
| 18:24.33 | stoned | Azar: I have an Rx for Oxy Contin because of my back |
| 18:24.42 | stoned | stew: ok cool |
| 18:24.46 | Azar | tarzeau: wtf? unstable? |
| 18:24.57 | abrotman | pair.com is usually fairly speedy |
| 18:25.02 | abrotman | psu.edu sucks :) |
| 18:25.03 | stoned | Azar: I try not to take it, drugs make me feel like a zombie |
| 18:25.07 | Azar | stoned: on cypro, 10 times stronger than penicilin |
| 18:25.21 | tarzeau | Azar: unstable? |
| 18:25.31 | stoned | Azar: I take my pain medicine only at the utmost end of need |
| 18:25.32 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/slune |
| 18:25.40 | tarzeau | Azar: it's also in stable! |
| 18:25.48 | Azar | :) ah... checking |
| 18:25.56 | stoned | I'm getting 1.0~ish MB/s from osuosl |
| 18:25.57 | stoned | damn |
| 18:26.07 | stoned | I have a 7mbit down ISP connection |
| 18:26.19 | stew | uhh |
| 18:26.28 | rahul | 7mbit is 700KB/sec |
| 18:26.34 | stoned | its well over 900kb/s |
| 18:26.37 | stoned | maybe its 10mbit down |
| 18:26.38 | stoned | i dunno |
| 18:26.39 | rahul | since there's 10 bits to a byte |
| 18:26.39 | Heston | osuosl is pretty good for kinux distros |
| 18:26.53 | Heston | linux* |
| 18:26.57 | fireba11 | wtf |
| 18:27.06 | yetifoot | has iptables changed lately with how it deals with ESTABLISHED/RELATED? i can't upload to my ftp any more, and ip_conntrack_ftp won't insmod like it used to with this simple iptables script i got |
| 18:27.08 | stoned | rahul: well my either apt lies or I'm seeing things. I am getting 900+kb/s from that mirror |
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| 18:27.26 | damog | 801! |
| 18:27.42 | rahul | stoned: you're stealing bits from the ether! |
| 18:27.53 | stoned | there is no such thing |
| 18:27.55 | stoned | space is empty |
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| 18:27.59 | stoned | mostly |
| 18:28.26 | stew | stoned: you are on rr, i get 10mbits from them often |
| 18:28.42 | stoned | stew: ahh i thought as much, maybe the lady on the other line lied to me |
| 18:28.48 | stoned | she said i have the 7mbit down package |
| 18:28.56 | stoned | but its probbly 10 |
| 18:29.04 | stew | i didn't know they actually quoted any rates except for business |
| 18:29.21 | stoned | dunno |
| 18:29.27 | stew | and i know you can't afford a 7mbit business class connection from them |
| 18:29.29 | rahul | stoned: they usually don't limit it that tightly, too |
| 18:29.56 | stoned | stew: they don't run business class connections to residential areas do they? |
| 18:30.02 | stoned | at least not in bayside |
| 18:30.06 | rahul | what is a residential area? |
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| 18:30.20 | stoned | suburbs |
| 18:30.23 | rahul | you can live in a building that has offices |
| 18:30.26 | humbolto | How can I permanently create a new device (e.g. cpuid)? |
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| 18:30.37 | abrotman | rahul: yes .. but your boss would like you to shower once a week :) |
| 18:30.37 | rahul | you can have a home office |
| 18:30.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried slune yet? |
| 18:30.47 | rahul | heh |
| 18:30.47 | abrotman | nope |
| 18:30.54 | stoned | rahul: I'm just going by what they told me upon my inquiry |
| 18:30.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's very damn good! |
| 18:30.55 | rahul | my boss doesn't smell me. he's in boston |
| 18:30.57 | Azar | tarzeau: ok installed, but gonna play later gotta relax a bit |
| 18:31.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: remind me at home |
| 18:31.09 | stoned | rahul: unless new yorkers are perpetual and habitual chronic liars |
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| 18:31.13 | Heston | http://home.cogeco.ca/~heston/bw.bmp |
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| 18:31.48 | ChrisW | hey all, uname -a returns info about the running kernel, right? (rather than some kernel that's been installed but is awaiting a reboot, right?) |
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| 18:31.56 | abrotman | a BMP?!!? |
| 18:31.58 | Heston | right |
| 18:32.02 | abrotman | ChrisW: right |
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| 18:32.18 | ChrisW | good stuff, well, at least 8 of my 10 machines have a 2.6 kernel |
| 18:32.47 | ChrisW | okay, so "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" is the right way to put a new kernel on, isn'it it? |
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| 18:33.04 | stoned | depends on if that is the kernel you want |
| 18:33.05 | stoned | sure |
| 18:33.12 | tarzeau | hey ElectricElf |
| 18:33.13 | Heston | thats one way to do it |
| 18:33.29 | ChrisW | it seems to be the one recommended in the etch ugprade notes |
| 18:33.30 | stoned | haha ElectricElf thats a greak nick |
| 18:33.39 | ChrisW | I don't want anything fancy, just simple and working ;-) |
| 18:33.42 | stoned | my handle 10 years used to be Elfrink Dagrandall |
| 18:33.48 | yetifoot | anyone have any clues why i can connect to my ftp, but not upload since etch, i get messages that ip_conntrack and ip_conntrack_ftp can't be insmod'd, i can pastebin my iptables script if that helps |
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| 18:34.14 | ChrisW | okay, so I currently have kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 installed and running |
| 18:34.24 | Stinovlas | hello.. i got just one question.. what is the command for local installing deb packages? |
| 18:34.31 | stew | yetifoot: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:34.36 | stoned | dpkg -i (install) |
| 18:34.42 | stoned | Stinovlas: ^^ |
| 18:34.49 | Stinovlas | [stoned] thanks.. thats what i forget :D |
| 18:34.50 | yetifoot | stew: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:34.56 | stoned | Stinovlas: read man dpkg |
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| 18:35.17 | stew | yetifoot: what happens when you run "modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp" |
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| 18:35.34 | Micer | how can i see what daemon are running on my debian box ? |
| 18:35.42 | stew | Micer: ps aux |
| 18:35.43 | Stinovlas | [stoned] im not on linux now, im now as a live guide for my friend |
| 18:35.46 | ChrisW | when I do "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686", aptitude tries to remove the 2.4.27 kernel, which generates dire warnings... |
| 18:35.52 | yetifoot | stew, nothing happens, i just go back to console with nothing echod to screen |
| 18:35.53 | stoned | Stinovlas: ok |
| 18:35.55 | ChrisW | why does it try to do this? what should I be doing here? |
| 18:36.00 | Micer | thx :) |
| 18:36.12 | stew | yetifoot: that means it worked. your script is broken. it should be using modprobe instead of insmod |
| 18:36.19 | yetifoot | stew, thank you |
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| 18:36.49 | stoned | hey whatever happened to gopher? |
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| 18:37.07 | stew | stoned: its still around |
| 18:37.09 | stoned | back in 7th grade in like 94/95 i remember we used to have something called gopher protocol in our computer lab |
| 18:37.10 | rahul | stoned: sales people are habitual and chronic liars |
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| 18:37.17 | stew | in fact i saw a link to gopher somewhere recently |
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| 18:37.36 | ChrisW | is this a sign of something else, or do I just need to find a way to tell aptitude to leave the 2.4 kernel installed for now? |
| 18:37.39 | rahul | one of those major gopher sites is still running |
| 18:37.43 | stoned | word |
| 18:37.46 | stoned | !gopher |
| 18:37.46 | dpkg | i heard gopher is a distributed document search and retrieval protocal or rfc 1436 |
| 18:37.48 | abrotman | stew: from me perhaps ? |
| 18:37.58 | abrotman | stew: i was talking about it the other day |
| 18:38.04 | Octopssy | anyone here familiar with installing GLFTPD? |
| 18:38.09 | stoned | rahul: that explains it |
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| 18:38.18 | stoned | rahul: maybe they just didn't know the technical details |
| 18:38.20 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_(protocol) |
| 18:38.35 | ma3x | what should I install to view the laptop battery in kde? |
| 18:38.35 | stoned | rahul: i remember asking how much a business class line costs and they said we don't run those out ot residences |
| 18:38.41 | tomdick | ChrisW: you could specify the kernel that you want instead: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:38.42 | ma3x | what was that little tool called? |
| 18:38.48 | Thms | is vncserver integrated to gnome, because in desktop, options and desktop at distance, I can enable vnc |
| 18:38.51 | ChrisW | has anyone else seen this behaviour when installing kernel metapackages? |
| 18:38.52 | rahul | stoned: hrm, maybe optimum doesn't |
| 18:38.52 | abrotman | probably an applet .. |
| 18:39.05 | stoned | ma3x: its a kicker applet i think |
| 18:39.07 | stoned | ma3x: #kde |
| 18:39.18 | stoned | I have it running on my laptop i can't get to it atm |
| 18:39.26 | stoned | im laying down :) |
| 18:39.27 | ChrisW | tomdick: how does htat help? the warning is because aptitude is trying to remove the currently running kernel... it shouldn't do that until I re-run it after I;ve successfully installed the new kernel, surely? |
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| 18:39.34 | cwheeler | what's the best way to print ascii text files? |
| 18:39.44 | cwheeler | or easiest rather |
| 18:39.56 | tomdick | ChrisW: depends on the package you're telling it to install. have you tried my suggestion? what does it say? |
| 18:40.00 | stoned | cwheeler: to a printer? |
| 18:40.07 | cwheeler | that's obvious |
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| 18:40.25 | stoned | cups? |
| 18:40.27 | cwheeler | pr and xemacs print stuff outside the margins of my printer |
| 18:40.32 | crm_ | sheesh.. #debian-overflow?? |
| 18:40.32 | cwheeler | printer is working |
| 18:40.49 | cwheeler | foomatic was the easiest linux printer setup i've ever used :) |
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| 18:41.04 | cwheeler | problem is the margins of plain text files |
| 18:41.08 | Mortuis | How do you restart sshd? I'm trying to disable root login. |
| 18:41.18 | stew | Mortuis: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 18:41.19 | ChrisW | tomdick: I want the metapackage so I keep having the latest stable kernel... wont' specifying the kernel exactly stop that ahppeneing? |
| 18:41.22 | stoned | Mortuis: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 18:41.22 | wintix | Mortuis: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 18:41.26 | Mortuis | Thanks |
| 18:41.28 | stoned | hah |
| 18:41.44 | ChrisW | and, more to the point, why would specifying a particular kernel suddenly stop aptitude trying to uninstall the running kernel? |
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| 18:41.57 | crm_ | where can i find the smallest installer for debian to run on windows? |
| 18:42.23 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:42.30 | stoned | maybe on goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 18:42.31 | stoned | or soemthing |
| 18:42.31 | stew | crm_: what medium do you want to install from? cd? floppy? usb drive? |
| 18:42.35 | stoned | debian.exe |
| 18:42.39 | ChrisW | crm_: urm? not sure what you mean... debian is a replacement for windows, it doesn't run on it, unless you use virtualising software like vmware |
| 18:43.09 | crm_ | ChrisW .. yea.. but can't i download something to restart nicely? |
| 18:43.21 | Stinovlas | how do you mean it? |
| 18:43.23 | crm_ | with a configured partition... dunno |
| 18:43.28 | tomdick | ChrisW: 1) is anything stopping you from installing the kernel you want; checking it out; then installing the metapackage when you're ready? and 2) i don't know |
| 18:43.43 | crm_ | i guess then im looking for the smallest iso install? |
| 18:43.45 | stoned | debian.exe will install grub for NT on your c: drive, and then it will download the isntaller kernel/initrd for a netboot for you, and then you restart and chose debian at boot time from ntldr and it will launch grub which will launch the debian installer |
| 18:43.55 | stoned | oh iso? netinst img |
| 18:43.58 | stoned | 120~ish mb |
| 18:44.01 | stoned | i think |
| 18:44.01 | stew | crm_: go to debian.org, click on "getting debian" then get a businesscard iso for stable |
| 18:44.03 | ma3x | how do I locate a tool name in the kde menu |
| 18:44.04 | crm_ | stoned.. that sounds ok |
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| 18:44.23 | crm_ | stoned.. do you have a link to it? |
| 18:44.28 | stoned | link to what? |
| 18:44.34 | ChrisW | tomdick: 1) yeah, 'cos I don't see how doing that will affect the outcome, 2) well, 2's the problem... |
| 18:44.41 | crm_ | debian.exe? |
| 18:44.48 | stoned | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 18:45.04 | crm_ | hrm.. thought that was a joke =/ |
| 18:45.08 | stoned | no |
| 18:45.49 | crm_ | brb.. if this does what its supposed to =/ |
| 18:45.53 | stoned | it does |
| 18:46.00 | stoned | I've used it on many pcs for people |
| 18:46.20 | stoned | however, on my particular cpu, it always wants to download amd64 |
| 18:46.40 | crm_ | very nice stoned |
| 18:47.03 | stoned | what you should do is use debian.exe to install grub on C drive, then just manually get the netboot installer kernel/initrd from debian.org and put those in c:\ and then manually edit c:\menu.lst |
| 18:47.05 | crm_ | nullsoft? |
| 18:47.12 | stoned | to find out what to put into menu.lst read the isntall guide |
| 18:47.13 | stoned | !ig |
| 18:47.14 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:47.23 | stoned | read sections 3, 4, and 5 |
| 18:47.28 | stoned | especially section 5 |
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| 18:47.33 | crm_ | ok |
| 18:47.40 | crm_ | any other pointer? |
| 18:47.45 | stoned | nah.. just read |
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| 18:48.43 | Ronin | crm_: depends, whats your question? |
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| 18:49.30 | crm_ | Ronin .. never installed linux on this machine.. dunno what to expect |
| 18:50.12 | stoned | crm_: easiest way is to let debian.exe do it for you, or just download the 120mb netinst iso and burn it, and boot it |
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| 18:50.39 | stoned | if you don't want to download 120mb, then use debian.exe method, or manually install grub for NT yourself |
| 18:50.42 | crm_ | stoned.. debian.exe is downloading things now |
| 18:50.42 | stoned | etc. etc. |
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| 18:51.35 | ChrisW | if I "aptitude hold" the old kernal package, will that do what I want? |
| 18:51.37 | stoned | crm_: if you've never installed debian before then read the install guide before you try.. the debian installer might have things you may not understand.. |
| 18:51.42 | tarzeau | !kernal |
| 18:51.42 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 18:52.08 | stoned | crm_: do you know how to partition drives? or which file system to pick? if not, let it do it for you, guided partitioning maybe? |
| 18:52.10 | ChrisW | tarzeau: cute, so I typo'd, any chance of help with my actual problem rather than my spelling? |
| 18:52.12 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 18:52.14 | tomdick | ChrisW: obviously you're either too good to read the instructions or actually try the suggestions you've received. why should you be spoon fed? |
| 18:52.21 | lodder_ | Hi, I'm in need of a little bit of assistance on the filesystem level i'm not sure what to take for a backup partition of 45GB, /tmp, /var/www and a large partition +- 300 GB the larger partitions will hold large and small file? |
| 18:52.25 | ChrisW | tomdick: I've red the instructions |
| 18:52.25 | Kemurii | YES! YES! |
| 18:52.34 | tomdick | you mean read |
| 18:52.35 | ChrisW | the behavuour is not as described in those instructions |
| 18:52.38 | Kemurii | The damn correct Grub entry! And it loaded! |
| 18:52.48 | Kemurii | anyway, yipie |
| 18:52.57 | tomdick | you mean behavior or behaviour (if you're british) |
| 18:52.59 | ChrisW | your suggestions don't make sense... |
| 18:53.00 | tarzeau | ChrisW: no idea, i use my own kernels and apt-get (instead of aptitude) |
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| 18:53.09 | ChrisW | heh |
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| 18:53.59 | iveqy | hi, I'm having problem after an upgrade of my system. I'm running debian etch and now I do not have permission to log in with xdm with an other user than root. I do not have X permissions. how do I fix that? |
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| 18:54.20 | Alarm- | hello. which image should i download so that i can choose during the installation which window manager i want to use (kde or gnome) . there are different kind of cds dvds and i dont want to download something i wont need |
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| 18:54.44 | tarzeau | Alarm-: get the first one? it's w/ gnome |
| 18:54.48 | Ronin | Alarm-: by default iirc correctly it picks gnome if you install xwindows |
| 18:54.50 | tarzeau | Alarm-: the rest you got from the internet? |
| 18:55.01 | Ronin | but you can always change to whatever you prefer |
| 18:55.06 | lodder | so you guys no filesystem guru's ? |
| 18:55.12 | tarzeau | Ronin: the default gnome in etch looks so ugly |
| 18:55.21 | stoned | gnome in general is uly |
| 18:55.34 | stoned | kde is ugly too |
| 18:55.35 | tarzeau | lodder: says who? i don't get your question |
| 18:55.41 | tarzeau | stoned: ack |
| 18:55.43 | Alarm- | tarzeau thats the point. i dont want to get gnome to be installed automatically , to remove it and to install kde also |
| 18:55.58 | stoned | tarzeau: well what i mean is you have to really configure the themes and such to make it not ugly |
| 18:55.58 | Alarm- | i want to be able to chooce which manager to install. |
| 18:55.58 | tarzeau | Alarm-: you can unselect the "Desktop" thing in the task installer |
| 18:55.59 | tomdick | Alarm-: there's a kde iso image |
| 18:56.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:56.04 | tarzeau | Alarm-: and then it won't be installed |
| 18:56.15 | Alarm- | cd or dvd image ? |
| 18:56.19 | hardcoffee | hello world, i need help to install nvidia, some people say the only thing to do now is to =>> apt-get install nvidia-glx kernel-nvidia that is right ? |
| 18:56.31 | tarzeau | stoned: do you think i've got time for such shit? i just take gnustep which looks nice by default and look for the amulet of yendor in nethack |
| 18:56.32 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:56.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 18:56.36 | tarzeau | Alarm-: cd is enough |
| 18:56.37 | Ronin | Alarm-: up to you, i prefer teh netinstall image myself |
| 18:56.42 | lodder | tarzeau: well i'm going to install debian on a server and i need some information on what filesystem best is for a large partition with small and large files and on a small partion |
| 18:56.43 | hardcoffee | stoned: thx u |
| 18:56.44 | stoned | tarzeau: hehe |
| 18:57.02 | hardcoffee | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:57.02 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 18:57.03 | tarzeau | lodder: depends on the server. not mail? |
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| 18:57.12 | tarzeau | lodder: i guess you're fine with ext2/ext3 |
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| 18:57.21 | stoned | hardcoffee: you can /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner too |
| 18:57.40 | stoned | !tell hardcoffee -about dpkgbot |
| 18:57.58 | lodder | but with ext3 i lose 3GB of 43Gb :( isn't there the same as ext3 but not with a lose of 3 GB |
| 18:58.29 | stoned | doesn't xfs have a smaller footprint? |
| 18:58.34 | Alarm- | cd iso ? there are like 20 isos :) |
| 18:58.44 | Ronin | Alarm-: yep, but you dont need all those |
| 18:58.44 | lodder | stoned: smaller footprint ? |
| 18:58.57 | Alarm- | and also i dont see anything refering about kde or gnome in the mirrors |
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| 18:59.35 | stoned | lodder: a print made from a foot |
| 18:59.43 | stoned | aptly called... footprint |
| 18:59.51 | lodder | ah k |
| 18:59.56 | stoned | lol |
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| 19:00.31 | Alarm- | so if i would download a stable 4.0 dvd iso, it will install gnome automatically as much i understood |
| 19:00.34 | stoned | TMNT had the foot clan |
| 19:00.39 | stoned | ninjas |
| 19:00.50 | lodder | stoned: so is xfs a good option or not ? |
| 19:00.54 | Ronin | Alarm-: only if you install teh desktop i believe, |
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| 19:01.09 | stoned | lodder: depends |
| 19:01.09 | stoned | lodder: its a bit unstable, but very fast i think |
| 19:01.24 | stoned | lodder: search google for file system comparisons |
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| 19:01.36 | stoned | i myself kinda forgot |
| 19:01.45 | Alarm- | Ronin so if i want kde i must installed if through console manually |
| 19:02.05 | ChrisW | so anyway, hopefully without tomdick's "help", is there any way I can install the linux-image-2.6-686 package while still leaving the kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 package in place? |
| 19:02.21 | Ronin | Alarm-: correct but its very easy to do |
| 19:02.25 | ChrisW | aptitude currently wants to remove the latter while the former is being installed, while the latter quite rightly complains about... |
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| 19:03.22 | Alarm- | okie, and a last question. so that i wont download 3 dvds . which cd would just be enough for a simple installation ? the rest of the packages are something that i can install later on manually |
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| 19:03.53 | Ronin | Alarm-: if you have a decent connection you can use a mini cd to install and get almost everythign off the net |
| 19:04.27 | Alarm- | okie. |
| 19:04.33 | Alarm- | ehm something i just saw: debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso whats that |
| 19:04.41 | abrotman | it has KDE on the CD |
| 19:04.47 | Alarm- | just kde ? |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | or parts of it anyway |
| 19:04.53 | abrotman | no .. the installer+KDE |
| 19:04.53 | Alarm- | or also debian installation |
| 19:05.06 | Alarm- | then thats what i want... :) |
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| 19:06.57 | irule | I just installed etch and got this error message from this /xten-xlite/xtensoftphone: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ....it worked on sarge, and apt-get says libstdc++.so.6 is installed, do I need a symlink or somehting? thanks |
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| 19:07.36 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the difference between a 'make-kpkg kernel_image' and a 'debian/rules binary' in /usr/src/linux? |
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| 19:07.40 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so.5 etch |
| 19:08.09 | wols | make-kpkg will create the debian/ dir and its contents |
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| 19:08.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libstdc++.so.5' returned no results. |
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| 19:08.33 | netman1 | wols: but they both create kernel image packages... |
| 19:09.29 | ChrisW | okay, this is just annoying, it now seems like anything I want to do, aptitude wants to remove the 2.4.27 kernel package |
| 19:09.33 | ChrisW | why is that? |
| 19:09.42 | stew | ChrisW: are you trying to upgrade to etch? |
| 19:09.44 | ChrisW | how can I make it leave the damned package alone? re-install it? |
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| 19:09.51 | ChrisW | stew: how'd you guess? ;-) |
| 19:09.57 | trelane_ | is there a planned date for lenny freezes or feature sets yet? |
| 19:10.00 | ChrisW | I'm trying to do the kernel first, like the docs say... |
| 19:10.10 | tarzeau | trelane_: haha |
| 19:10.18 | stew | ChrisW: did you run "aptitude upgrade" successfully? |
| 19:10.22 | tarzeau | trelane_: you could start using sid, and close bugs? |
| 19:10.32 | namit | quick question i want to grep a sequence threw a page. And show that line i have greped and every line above it |
| 19:10.43 | trelane_ | tarzeau, yeah I realize it's soon, but I use debian for work machines, and was just wondering if there was a page or anything in the debian bug tracker yet? |
| 19:10.51 | stew | ChrisW: you can run "aptitude hold kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386" (or whatever the exact version is) to tell it not to remove it |
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| 19:11.00 | trelane_ | tarzeau, I'm planning on migrating from gentoo to sid on my home desktop |
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| 19:11.05 | ChrisW | stew: I was trying unmarkauto |
| 19:11.08 | tarzeau | namit: man grep |
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| 19:11.23 | ChrisW | I just aptitude install'ed the 2.4 kernel again in the vague hope of getting aptitude t ostop trying to remove it... |
| 19:11.24 | namit | tarzeau: yes can not find anything in there |
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| 19:11.32 | tarzeau | trelane_: maybe in two years. anything wrong w/ etch? |
| 19:11.45 | tarzeau | namit: maybe a combination of head/tail and the grep? |
| 19:11.56 | tarzeau | namit: or sed could do it too |
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| 19:12.05 | tarzeau | namit: try sed one liners in google |
| 19:12.06 | namit | tarzeau: yes sed it messy |
| 19:12.22 | stew | ChrisW: did you run "aptitude upgrade" yet? |
| 19:12.25 | trelane_ | tarzeau, nope, we're just incredibly future-looking here. The systems where we use debian are as close as we can manage to 0 maintainance except for log monitoring (and things like rkhunter and aide reports) |
| 19:12.39 | stew | ChrisW: (this is somehting you should have done before upgrading your kernel) |
| 19:12.43 | wols | netman1: kernel-package creates the debian folder tho. and it can make a lot more than krenel images |
| 19:13.01 | tarzeau | trelane_: what do they do? more than firewall/other sort of minimal security system? can you tell me the dpkg -l | wc -l? |
| 19:13.16 | tarzeau | trelane_: you auto- network install them? fai? d-i preseed? |
| 19:13.20 | Bruns | actually, they are user machines :) |
| 19:13.23 | trelane_ | tarzeau, base install only + rkhunter (perl-md5 and binutils) |
| 19:13.23 | ChrisW | stew: I may have done, by mistake, I usually do that about once a week in the form of: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 19:13.37 | trelane_ | tarzeau, they're pbx's using pbxnsip (www.pbxnsip.com) which is definately non-free |
| 19:13.38 | tarzeau | trelane_: how many of those boxes? |
| 19:13.46 | ChrisW | okay done now |
| 19:13.59 | trelane_ | tarzeau, right now 10, but in the next year I'd guess between 75 and 120 |
| 19:14.02 | ChrisW | now what? hold the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:14.10 | stew | ChrisW: which step of the upgrade procedure in the release notes are you on now? |
| 19:14.31 | tarzeau | trelane_: cool, they'll be available over ssh/network for you to manage 24/7? what kind of computer, cpu power, memory, disk? |
| 19:14.34 | ChrisW | well, I got the impression that, if you have a 2.4 kernel, you need to just to the bit about updating it first |
| 19:14.45 | stew | ChrisW: this is not true |
| 19:14.58 | stew | ChrisW: just follow the procudure in the release notes: /msg dpkg etch |
| 19:15.03 | namit | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:15.07 | trelane_ | tarzeau, our higher end systems run on the semperons and the lower end stuff on the via C3/C7, 512mb ddr and the smallest disk we can get our hands on (barely takes 1gb of space) |
| 19:15.11 | tarzeau | trelane_: we've got 160 debian workstations, i'm migrating them to etch now (i did the last migration from woody to sarge too) |
| 19:15.27 | tarzeau | trelane_: flash or regular harddisks? |
| 19:15.29 | trelane_ | tarzeau, we're starting these on etch, we began the project right after the first freeze |
| 19:15.41 | tarzeau | trelane_: cool, need help with automated installs? |
| 19:15.43 | trelane_ | regular harddrives because I've never quite gotten the flash booting stuff working |
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| 19:15.56 | trelane_ | tarzeau, right now I've got a 3 page instruction guide which from bare metal takes 30 minutes to complete |
| 19:16.01 | Bruns | trelane: I was playing with a flash based IDE drive the other day |
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| 19:16.07 | trelane_ | (we have to let the windows people do their things |
| 19:16.08 | Bruns | quite a nifty device |
| 19:16.11 | trelane_ | Bruns, based on the Dyna stuff? |
| 19:16.20 | Bruns | dyna stuff? |
| 19:16.30 | faxino | i need help . i losed my root password in my etch |
| 19:16.32 | Bruns | this looks exactly like a normal drive. |
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| 19:16.35 | ehjones | namit: do you know how many lines your file you want to grep has? |
| 19:16.38 | Bruns | no special stuff needed |
| 19:16.39 | tarzeau | faxino: boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 19:16.41 | trelane_ | Dyna makes CF to IDE adapters, the problem is they don't support booting grub, it requires special stuff |
| 19:16.43 | trelane_ | Bruns, url? |
| 19:16.48 | wols | !tell faxino about ifrp |
| 19:16.49 | tarzeau | faxino: then reset the password using passwd or edit /etc/shadow |
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| 19:16.54 | Bruns | eh, lemme go find |
| 19:16.54 | crm_ | stoned .. didn't work.. getting message "cannot find GLRDR"? |
| 19:17.02 | Bruns | this was a proto of something new from a friend of mine |
| 19:17.06 | sknight | d'oh, I know I asked this before but I had to go AFK like 2 seconds after asking |
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| 19:17.10 | sknight | when using pre-up et. al, is there a way to pass the requested IP address to a function/script called by pre-up? |
| 19:17.18 | sknight | long story short, I'm trying to craft a pre-up that will check an IP address via ping to see if it's up before assigning it to a virtual interface (multi-homed machine, etc) |
| 19:17.34 | sknight | (for /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 19:17.45 | Bruns | its 2.5 form factor, so he wanted to gague my feeling on how well it works on a laptop |
| 19:17.50 | Bruns | I was impressed |
| 19:17.53 | trelane_ | tarzeau/ Bruns my total disk usage on a production system is 646MB |
| 19:17.56 | Bruns | 4GB flash |
| 19:18.01 | Bruns | m |
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| 19:18.13 | wols | trelane_: what does this cluster of debian machines do? |
| 19:18.19 | faxino | tarzeau must i bout from cdrom then linux init=/bin/bash rw ? |
| 19:18.28 | trelane_ | wols, PBX's |
| 19:18.35 | tarzeau | faxino: no you can do that from grub (e=edit line) |
| 19:18.40 | Bruns | hence why theres no need for a massive install |
| 19:18.44 | tarzeau | faxino: it's a linux kernel parameter |
| 19:18.45 | wols | trelane_: so you also run astersik or such? |
| 19:18.57 | ehjones | namit: grep -B might help |
| 19:18.59 | ChrisW | stew: well, my machines have their sources.list pointing at stable, not sarge, 'cos that's what I was told to do by this channel when movind got sarge... is that okay? |
| 19:19.02 | trelane_ | wols, pbxnsip (we found that it required less maintainance than Asterisk despite being incredibly non-free) |
| 19:19.14 | namit | ehjones: no i do not but sed -n '/exp/{g;1!p;};h' did what i want it to do |
| 19:19.30 | trelane_ | (as the company honors the GPL when they use the code I figured I could let it slide (Snom GMBH)) |
| 19:19.33 | wols | faxino: dpkg just messaged you with the exact steps to perform |
| 19:20.10 | Bruns | trelane: an example, http://www.smartm.com/product/product.cfm?productID=37 |
| 19:20.27 | Bruns | extremely low power usage too |
| 19:20.32 | stew | ChrisW: yes, just follow the release procedure |
| 19:20.37 | Bruns | my laptop battery lasted a heck of alot longer |
| 19:20.40 | stew | ChrisW: err the upgrade procedure in the release notes |
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| 19:22.38 | tarzeau | the summer is coming, i can feel the temperatures: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 19:22.39 | tarzeau | trelane_: ours have like 2500 debian packages installed (about 14 gb of software) |
| 19:22.45 | faxino | tarzeau : in my GRUB boot menu choice, did (e). have lines : root . kernel . initrd . safedefault . may i to chose any line ? |
| 19:22.57 | tarzeau | faxino: go to the kernel line, press e |
| 19:23.07 | tarzeau | faxino: add init=/bin/bash, then enter, then b(boot) |
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| 19:23.15 | tarzeau | faxino: it'll get you into a prompt without password |
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| 19:23.22 | ChrisW | stew: am doing so, I'm currently at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-recovery |
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| 19:23.44 | ChrisW | all the machines I'm working with are generally only available over ssh, how do I prepare for recovery with them? |
| 19:23.46 | Gandhi | What is a name of package pam in debian etch? |
| 19:23.56 | tarzeau | Gandhi: apt-cache search pam ? |
| 19:24.12 | Gandhi | only libs |
| 19:24.22 | Gandhi | no name of package |
| 19:24.25 | tarzeau | Gandhi: and you want what exactly? |
| 19:24.46 | mark__ | what is the name of the debian admin tool that saves a list of packages of a pc that can be used to install on another pc ? |
| 19:25.05 | Gandhi | install the pluggable autentication modules |
| 19:25.11 | stew | Gandhi: which module? |
| 19:25.13 | tarzeau | mark__: dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 19:25.19 | Gandhi | for use with other applications |
| 19:25.23 | stew | Gandhi: which? |
| 19:25.44 | markybob | couldnt be more cryptic if he tried |
| 19:26.07 | Gandhi | only library |
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| 19:26.29 | markybob | c'mon. that's gotta be a troll |
| 19:26.29 | wols | Gandhi: search for libpam then |
| 19:26.35 | wols | !tell Gandhi about search |
| 19:26.40 | bhuey | I'm getting a number of email retry failures with exim4 and unstable, are their known problems with that package or the email system in general ? |
| 19:26.40 | stew | Gandhi: sounds like you want either libpam0g or libpam-modules |
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| 19:27.00 | wols | bhuey: check the BTS |
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| 19:27.16 | petemc | bhuey: no |
| 19:27.16 | petemc | bhuey: actually, yes - there can be tls problems |
| 19:27.20 | mark__ | tarzeau, that will work, thanks |
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| 19:27.34 | bhuey | petemc, thread local storage ? |
| 19:27.49 | wols | bhuey: transport layer security |
| 19:27.50 | petemc | bhuey: i dont know what that means |
| 19:28.32 | wols | petemc: it means "gibberish" |
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| 19:28.32 | bhuey | petemc, funny coincidence |
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| 19:28.37 | petemc | bhuey: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 19:28.41 | bhuey | wols, is there a pending fix for this coming soon ? |
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| 19:28.48 | EvilDin | how could i copy test.cfg into /home/*/conf/ , in all users folder ? |
| 19:28.48 | wols | bhuey: have you checked BTS? |
| 19:28.53 | ChrisW | well, apart from stew, anyone else know to "preapre for recovery" when upgrading to etch if you only have ssh access to the box? |
| 19:28.55 | bhuey | not yet |
| 19:29.05 | wols | bhuey: and since you don't have a clue what TLS is, why do you think you have a problem with it? |
| 19:29.15 | petemc | i said he might |
| 19:29.23 | bhuey | wols, read the log |
| 19:29.42 | wols | petemc: someone who set up TLS on a mailserver knows what it is. if he doesn't set it up, he can't have a problem with it |
| 19:29.47 | xingu | ooh err |
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| 19:29.56 | bhuey | petemc, 3294 |
| 19:29.56 | xingu | libata on ahci uses msi-x :) |
| 19:29.56 | faxino | tarzeau is there any link abouth what to do if you forget debian root password or specifely etch debian password ? |
| 19:29.59 | bhuey | petemc, 3293 |
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| 19:30.11 | tarzeau | faxino: if there is, google can find it |
| 19:30.13 | petemc | bhuey: that seems fine |
| 19:30.17 | wols | !ifrp |
| 19:30.17 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 19:30.23 | wols | ^^ faxino |
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| 19:30.28 | bhuey | petemc, any other suggestions ? |
| 19:30.31 | petemc | bhuey: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 19:31.11 | faxino | dpkg , i dont find where to execute this line linux init=/bin/sh ? |
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| 19:31.27 | wols | faxino: dpkg is a bot |
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| 19:31.35 | airtest | is there anyone that have use troppix v1.0 live cd? need to check the hardware log (see if there is any error on the hardware) |
| 19:31.44 | wols | and you hopefully already executed it since you have a shell now after the help from tarzeau, right? |
| 19:31.47 | Ratshell | Hey general question. Why yall like Debian? |
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| 19:31.55 | bhuey | petemc, what about it ? |
| 19:32.00 | wols | !tell Ratshell about why debian |
| 19:32.01 | ChrisW | wols: how about preparing for an etch upgrade when you're worried about it going titsup? |
| 19:32.04 | tarzeau | Ratshell: cow powers in apt-get |
| 19:32.20 | tarzeau | Ratshell: and the immensely large selection of software |
| 19:32.30 | wols | ChrisW: you have an alternative way of connecting to the rmote server that doesn't depend on the new kernel/distro |
| 19:32.34 | Ratshell | Okay another question why you like debian over windows? |
| 19:32.39 | xingu | Ratshell: chicks dig it |
| 19:32.41 | Eclipser | aaah |
| 19:32.42 | alper | hey. im under root and i'd like to start an application (./ soldatserver -d) with other user rights (not root). whats the command for it, if its |
| 19:32.45 | bhuey | petemc, I see a number of "retry time not exceeded" messages |
| 19:32.46 | petemc | bhuey: you're joking? is the idea of reading a log alien to you ? |
| 19:32.47 | Eclipser | now it works almost as I wanted it to work |
| 19:32.50 | stew | ChrisW: do you have a serial consaole on the box? do have any way of getting to a console if the machine fails to reboot, or if it fails to get onthe network? |
| 19:32.50 | wols | Ratshell: don't take polls |
| 19:32.52 | wols | !poll |
| 19:32.52 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:32.59 | Eclipser | two displays as separate desktops |
| 19:33.00 | ChrisW | wols: er, no |
| 19:33.02 | bhuey | petemc, too much traffic in this log |
| 19:33.07 | ChrisW | stew: er, no |
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| 19:33.21 | petemc | bhuey: unlucky |
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| 19:33.22 | stew | ChrisW: then you have to hope for the best |
| 19:33.25 | ChrisW | thankfully, most of 'em are at rackspace, and they have real live people who can go do useful things :-) |
| 19:33.28 | Ratshell | See I have a dilema, I want to go back to linux, but I play games in xp, which I don't think will be able to play in linux.... |
| 19:33.31 | stew | ChrisW: does the machine use SATA drives? |
| 19:33.45 | ChrisW | one of 'ems at a hosting provider that I'm trying to move off of |
| 19:33.51 | bhuey | petemc, btw, I also have spamd set up |
| 19:33.56 | ChrisW | one of 'em's in my house, but headless |
| 19:34.01 | alper | hey guys. suddenly some folders/files has been changed to read-only. and i can only edit them with root rights.? how to change it so that the user can edit em too? |
| 19:34.02 | ChrisW | stew: how would I check? |
| 19:34.03 | stew | ChrisW: why bother upgrading it if you are hoping to move off it? |
| 19:34.06 | wols | Ratshell: sucks to be you. and no, there is no realistic way out to use the same games as under windows relioably |
| 19:34.19 | Ratshell | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.21 | ChrisW | stew: this is true, but I've been trying to move off it for about 10 months now |
| 19:34.25 | stew | ChrisW: lspci | egrep IDE\|SATA |
| 19:34.33 | ChrisW | bill-paying work sadly always wins out... |
| 19:34.36 | bhuey | petemc, I get hit with a lot of spam on this system as well |
| 19:34.38 | stew | ChrisW: you have another 10 or so before this is really a problem |
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| 19:35.16 | faxino | im trying to edit to recover the root pass : type C now i find my self in prompt grub> ? may to do some thing from here ? |
| 19:35.32 | markybob | what the fuck. apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 downloaded 2.6.20-2. c'mon |
| 19:35.48 | bhuey | petemc, I'm wondering if I'm running out of memory or something like that |
| 19:35.59 | stew | !depends linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 unstable |
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| 19:36.10 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.2.17) | debconf-2.0 |
| 19:36.11 | Ratshell | wol you run linux full time? |
| 19:36.34 | ChrisW | stew: okay, I only needto worry about SATA if uname -a currently returns a 2.4 kernel, right? |
| 19:36.35 | tarzeau | markybob: hey, i got it to work, with xsession.d and gnome-volume-manager |
| 19:36.35 | stew | ChrisW: yes |
| 19:36.42 | Supaplex | for cool. I'm still installing dependencies of ferret by hand (trying a cvs build). apparently the tcl libraries are easier to find with apt-file search pkgIndex.tcl | grep -i something. |
| 19:36.44 | markybob | tarzeau: nice |
| 19:36.50 | ferret | o.o |
| 19:36.59 | ChrisW | well, one is my headless box here, which is kinda okay, 'cos I can at least plug a keyboard and monitor into it |
| 19:37.03 | ChrisW | !pastbin |
| 19:37.09 | ChrisW | !paste |
| 19:37.09 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 19:37.11 | stew | markybob: oh, apt-get source? yes, of course it did, its in the "linux-2.6" source packag |
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| 19:37.42 | alper | soldat@h1277762:~/soldatserver2$ chmod +x soldatserver |
| 19:37.42 | alper | chmod: changing permissions of `soldatserver': Operation not permitted |
| 19:37.45 | alper | it worked bfeor? |
| 19:37.48 | Supaplex | compilling linux-* from deb-src is nutz. |
| 19:37.50 | alper | what doesnt it work now anymore? |
| 19:37.53 | Octopssy | Can anyone tell me the correct cmd to extract a passwd protected rar file with unrar? |
| 19:38.01 | stew | alper: who owns that file? |
| 19:38.03 | Supaplex | Octopssy: man unrar ? |
| 19:38.10 | wols | alper: you are not owner of the file (or root) |
| 19:38.10 | ChrisW | stew: http://paste.debian.net/26416 any of 'em SATA I need to worry about? |
| 19:38.13 | alper | its in the "solder"-user home folder |
| 19:38.16 | Ratshell | !java |
| 19:38.16 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 19:38.19 | ChrisW | my guess is server2... |
| 19:38.21 | alper | well...yesterday i had fully access on all files |
| 19:38.24 | stew | alper: who is the owner of the file? |
| 19:38.36 | alper | but today it says on every file "read only" or "not permiited" |
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| 19:38.41 | alper | ls -la? |
| 19:38.44 | alper | how to find out :o |
| 19:38.57 | alper | ow ja. |
| 19:38.58 | alper | its root |
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| 19:39.13 | alper | may that have happened cause i ran the application yestready with root rights? |
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| 19:39.20 | alper | i had forgotten to su - soldat |
| 19:39.24 | stew | ChrisW: yes, i believe that is sata, and device names will change. (i should have said IDE\|ATA ; not IDE\|SATA). |
| 19:39.27 | wols | ChrisW: "serial ata" should be quite a big hint, no? |
| 19:39.32 | stew | ChrisW: what filesystem(s) do you use |
| 19:39.50 | alper | wols, how can i change the owner rights? |
| 19:39.57 | wols | alper: man chown |
| 19:39.58 | alper | whats the exact cmd for it under root? |
| 19:40.05 | ChrisW | wols: yeah, I know, just playing dumb to be safe |
| 19:40.17 | stew | alper: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 19:40.24 | ChrisW | I've learnt the hard way that me and pretending I know anything about sysadmin ends in tears ;-) |
| 19:40.38 | doudou | good night berlin, i have usb card reader, when i plug sdcard, dmesg tell me that sdb1 (or sdc1 or sda1 or sdd1) is ok, but system does not mount it automaticaly, how do i do? |
| 19:41.00 | wols | doudou: ask tarzeau ;) |
| 19:41.05 | doudou | to mount it automaticaly for example in /media/usb |
| 19:41.12 | tarzeau | wols: heh |
| 19:41.20 | tarzeau | doudou: run gnome-volume-manager (as user) |
| 19:41.22 | doudou | wols, tarzeau is still here? |
| 19:41.25 | ChrisW | stew: /etc/fstab from server2: http://paste.debian.net/26417 |
| 19:41.40 | wols | doudou: he lives here. it's his living room |
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| 19:42.09 | doudou | tarzeau, i stopped at fluxbox, did not went as far as gnome |
| 19:42.22 | Bracki | how can i see "when" a package was installed? |
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| 19:42.34 | tarzeau | Bracki: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 19:42.46 | tarzeau | doudou: try it, it's not gnome |
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| 19:43.01 | tarzeau | doudou: well it works without gnome and can be configured using the gnome-volume-properties |
| 19:43.10 | alper | well stew i dont see "chown" cmds there. would you be as kind to telling me just whats the cmd is ? :o |
| 19:43.11 | Bracki | no |
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| 19:43.13 | stew | ChrisW: i'd recommend using e2label to labal all of your partitions to have the same name as where they are going to be mounted, so "e2label /dev/hde1 /" then in fstab where, for instance, it says "/dev/hda1", make it say "LABEL=/" then do the same on the # kopt= line in menu.lst; then run update-grub |
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| 19:43.16 | doudou | tarzeau, i try |
| 19:43.20 | Octopssy | Supaplex: No manual entry for unrar |
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| 19:43.33 | stew | alper: no, you should understand the basics of unix permissions |
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| 19:43.59 | stew | ChrisW: this will make it so that you can boot either kernel even if the device names change |
| 19:44.14 | stew | ChrisW: then i'd recommend testing rebooting this way before you proceed |
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| 19:44.58 | ChrisW | tew: will that also solve my annoying usb hard drive problem? I have two disks/ one of which is always mounted to /mnt/backup, but never both at the same time... currently whenever I swap disks I have to edit /etc/fstab |
| 19:45.00 | stew | alper: and the command in fact is "chown" |
| 19:45.03 | ChrisW | +s |
| 19:45.09 | wols | Octopssy: maybe you should install unrar first? |
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| 19:45.13 | doudou | tarzeau, i tried aptitude install gnome-volume-manager ... it asked me 349 Mo (seems like he beleives i am rockfeller) i can afford such packages |
| 19:45.18 | debstroyer | Got a problem with enabling browser java plugin. java -version returns ok, but my no browser can detect jre. |
| 19:45.24 | tarzeau | doudou: haha :) |
| 19:45.30 | stew | ChrisW: you are trying to mount both to the same place? |
| 19:45.33 | tarzeau | doudou: i'm glad i don't need this automount shit at home |
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| 19:45.41 | Octopssy | I have it installed |
| 19:45.43 | stew | doudou: use ivman instead of gnome-volume-manager if you are not already a gnome user |
| 19:45.56 | ChrisW | stew: yes, they're my offsite backup disks that I rotate weekly... |
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| 19:46.06 | tarzeau | stew: i installed ivman today, but couldn't figure how it works |
| 19:46.09 | wols | Octopssy: no you don't |
| 19:46.26 | wols | Octopssy: cause it comes with the manpage if you have (hint: it's non free software) |
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| 19:46.37 | stew | tarzeau: what do you mean? if its running as a system service, it shoud automatically mount any removable drives to /media/ |
| 19:46.46 | Octopssy | hint: |
| 19:46.47 | faxino | tarzeau : thanks i have edited . and password is recovered . may i run some commands to remount the / ? |
| 19:46.47 | Octopssy | ~$ unrar |
| 19:46.58 | Octopssy | UNRAR 3.00 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2002 Eugene Roshal |
| 19:46.58 | Octopssy | etc |
| 19:46.59 | tarzeau | stew: no need to configure anything? |
| 19:47.07 | tarzeau | faxino: and you rebooted after recovering? |
| 19:47.09 | stew | ChrisW: i don't see why you'd have to edit fstab then |
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| 19:47.16 | Supaplex | Octopssy: I have unrar install here. has a man page. and it's 3.51 in etch. |
| 19:47.17 | tarzeau | faxino: sync and umount it before reboot? |
| 19:47.26 | stew | tarzeau: not unless you want it to do something additional |
| 19:47.42 | Octopssy | ok well strange then |
| 19:47.44 | wols | Octopssy: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=unrar&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 19:47.50 | Supaplex | Octopssy: dpkg -l unrar |
| 19:47.55 | wols | look at the neato file usr/share/man/man1/unrar.1.gz |
| 19:48.07 | tarzeau | stew: what permissions are the mounted stuff? |
| 19:48.09 | ChrisW | stew: 'cos they come up as different devices, as you can see from the two sections in /etc/fstab |
| 19:48.09 | Octopssy | ok |
| 19:48.12 | debstroyer | Got a problem with enabling browser java plugin. java -version returns ok, but no browser (iceweasel, konqueror, epiphany) detects jre. |
| 19:48.14 | tarzeau | stew: i mean when you have multiuser systems... |
| 19:48.16 | Supaplex | wols: *gasp* documentation! :) |
| 19:48.16 | ChrisW | or should I just leave them both uncommented? |
| 19:48.29 | wols | Supaplex: in non free software even! |
| 19:48.33 | faxino | tarzeau : not yet . im searching if any command to run it before rebooting |
| 19:48.48 | doudou | stew, when i tried gnome i saw it works, but i am not enought mature (in my head) to try gnome, my religion is close to console and not X11, but.. |
| 19:48.57 | stew | tarzeau: its pmount by default, so it mounts stuff a umask=002,rw and user in the plugdev group can pumount |
| 19:48.58 | doudou | stew, ivman seems perfect |
| 19:48.59 | wols | and considering his version is unrar 3.0 it must be a damned old debian install and chances are a recent rar file can't be unpacked with that versin anyways |
| 19:49.03 | Supaplex | wols: ouuuu! yikes hehe. |
| 19:50.19 | stew | i need to add more examples to /usr/share/doc/ivman/examples |
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| 19:51.34 | stew | tarzeau: actually pmount default is umask=007 |
| 19:51.35 | doudou | tarzeau, i like very much feh |
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| 19:51.50 | tarzeau | stew: /nick bond |
| 19:51.51 | jm|laptop | hello |
| 19:52.12 | doudou | thanks, good night, but seems like if you never sleep |
| 19:52.12 | jm|laptop | what do I need to put into /etc/defaults/courier to stop non-ssl imapd starting with init.d? |
| 19:52.14 | stew | heh |
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| 19:53.30 | stew | jm|laptop: iirc you edit /etc/courier/imapd and change IMAPDSTART or something like that (but its been a few years, things might have changed) |
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| 19:53.40 | Octopssy | how to del files with a certain begin ? |
| 19:53.43 | Octopssy | log** for example |
| 19:53.47 | jm|laptop | stew: cheers I'll google from there |
| 19:54.09 | stew | jm|laptop: just check that file and see if you see something like IMAPDSTART=yes |
| 19:54.40 | stew | jm|laptop: and check /usr/share/doc/courier-imap/README.Debian if one exists |
| 19:55.12 | jm|laptop | looked there it didn't help: but thanks |
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| 19:56.06 | stew | jm|laptop: when you do figure it out, consider filing a wishlist bug requesting the information be put there |
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| 19:56.24 | ChrisW | where can I find out mroe about e2label? |
| 19:56.34 | stew | ChrisW: "man e2label"? |
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| 19:57.02 | ChrisW | also, am I right in thinking I don't need to worry about e2label if uname -a returns a 2.6 of some variety, or if there's not SATA devices, as seems to be the case on server1? |
| 19:58.10 | stew | ChrisW: probably not. i thought you were running 2.4.27 |
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| 19:58.19 | ChrisW | on one machine I am |
| 19:58.34 | ChrisW | on another it's 2.4.26 |
| 19:58.46 | lupine_85 | erm. Can anyone remind me how to change the default locale? (from 'C' to 'en_GB.UTF8') |
| 19:58.47 | perlmonkey | does anyone here use phpmyadmin under etch? have you experienced a syntax error when accessing priviledges/user table? |
| 19:58.50 | jm|laptop | stew: it was in imapd itself |
| 19:58.58 | ChrisW | on the rest it seems to all be 2.6.12-1-686 |
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| 19:59.42 | h3sp4wn | lupine_85: edit /etc/locale.gen (most direct way) |
| 19:59.52 | lupine_85 | ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:00.01 | lupine_85 | (I've got a chroot that's misbehaving) |
| 20:00.05 | ChrisW | so, I take it I need to bring the two 2.4 ones up to 2.6, and stew, you're suggesting I do this after the uppgrade? |
| 20:00.15 | h3sp4wn | en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 \n (new line may or not be important) |
| 20:00.21 | ma3x | something's wrong with my mic |
| 20:00.24 | ma3x | why won't it record? |
| 20:00.27 | ma3x | how do I check it? |
| 20:00.33 | marc_ | hi, is there a minimal mplayer package available somewhere? the default dependencies are just insane. |
| 20:00.39 | Myelin | Hello, i have a question: Will the Minimal install CD iso will run from hard disk using vmlinuz and initrd.gz and grub or will i have to burn it onto a CD-Rom? |
| 20:00.39 | tarzeau | Azar: tried http://www.imitationpickles.org/barbie/ yet? |
| 20:00.48 | tarzeau | marc_: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 20:00.48 | debstroyer | Got a problem with enabling browser java plugin. java -version returns" java version "1.4.2" |
| 20:00.48 | debstroyer | ", but no browser (iceweasel, konqueror, epiphany) detects jre. |
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| 20:01.15 | marc_ | tarzeau: thanks will take a look |
| 20:01.16 | stew | ChrisW: no, you don't have to bring them to 2.6, and if you are moving from 2.4 to 2.6 where this might be an issue, i recommend doing this before the upgrade |
| 20:01.20 | lupine_85 | the file doesn't exist right now... do I need to install $package, or should it be OK> |
| 20:01.24 | Whisper | what packages do i need to get ncurses running? gonna use "make menuconfig" |
| 20:01.24 | justnulling2 | how do i search packages by tag and/or selection? |
| 20:01.25 | lupine_85 | s/>/? |
| 20:01.33 | ChrisW | stew: right, so now you see why I want to upgrade the kernels ;-) |
| 20:01.37 | Bracki | debstroyer: to this day i couldnt get that to work, 64bit system though |
| 20:01.41 | stew | ChrisW: no |
| 20:01.51 | ChrisW | huh? |
| 20:02.04 | stew | ChrisW: i don't see your point |
| 20:02.25 | ChrisW | your recommendation above was to move to 2.6 before doing the upgrade, right? |
| 20:02.33 | stew | no |
| 20:02.41 | stew | but its fine if you'd rather |
| 20:02.58 | bzed | Whisper: libncurses5-dev |
| 20:03.14 | ChrisW | yeah, I think I would, 'cos those machines are gonna be around for a "long time" yet, with luck |
| 20:03.16 | Whisper | thanks |
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| 20:03.36 | ChrisW | okay, so, the SATA one, I wanna do the kernel first now, right? |
| 20:03.41 | bzed | Whisper: you also wanna isntall kernel-package and build-essential |
| 20:03.41 | stew | ChrisW: no |
| 20:03.45 | Myelin | Please can anybody answer my question about Poor mans install with a minimal cd? |
| 20:03.54 | bzed | Whisper: and learn how to use make-kpkg :) |
| 20:04.02 | ChrisW | *looks lost" |
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| 20:04.19 | dondelelcaro | Myelin: if you've got a hard disk which is running some linux distribution, just use debootstrap |
| 20:04.20 | bzed | Myelin: a cd image was made to be burnt on a cd. |
| 20:04.22 | stoned | Myelin: why don't you read the debian installation manaual |
| 20:04.23 | stew | ChrisW: if you have any that are running 2.4 that are also running SATA, i recommend moving to using labels instead of device names> |
| 20:04.24 | Wazm` | fun |
| 20:04.27 | dondelelcaro | Myelin: if it's running windows, use wintakeover |
| 20:04.30 | debstroyer | Bracki: I had a previous debian install (non-free on sources.list) and the process was automated, but im trying to stick to main and contrib only. Do you have any suggestion? kafee? The question is: is it ok to install another jre? do i have/can delete this java install? |
| 20:04.36 | dondelelcaro | (or goodbywindows.com or whatever that site was) |
| 20:04.37 | stew | ChrisW: after you have done that, i recommend just following the upgrade procedure in teh release notes |
| 20:04.44 | ChrisW | stew: okay, and then doing the kernel upgrade after the os upgrade? |
| 20:04.45 | stoned | dondelelcaro: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 20:04.46 | stoned | :) |
| 20:04.47 | ChrisW | ok |
| 20:05.28 | Myelin | Ok, i will look at wintakeover right now. Thanks. |
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| 20:06.15 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 20:06.15 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 20:06.39 | valdyn | debstroyer: just contrib but not non-free doesn't really make sense |
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| 20:08.17 | ChrisW | stew: so, in menu.lst, the commented out #kopt line is still parsed by something?! |
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| 20:08.35 | stew | ChrisW: by update-grub |
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| 20:09.08 | debstroyer | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:09.10 | edju | Realplayer won't play some streams. eg, http://www.udel.edu/UMS/itv/demo/, it just sits there "connecting". A paste of console output is at http://rafb.net/p/1BP9O515.html. Any clues? |
| 20:09.12 | stew | valdyn: it can |
| 20:09.43 | stew | valdyn: if a pacakge is free but requires other free software that isn't pacakged it goes into contrib |
| 20:09.46 | debstroyer | stew: was that about contrib and non-free? |
| 20:09.55 | stoned | dpkg debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 20:09.56 | dpkg | ...but debian.exe is already something else... |
| 20:10.01 | stew | debstroyer: yes |
| 20:10.02 | stoned | oh it is |
| 20:10.04 | stoned | i'll be damned |
| 20:10.06 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 20:10.07 | dpkg | i guess debian.exe is see http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 20:10.08 | ChrisW | stew: eep, wow, I always assumed lines starting with # would be left alone by everything? |
| 20:10.17 | stoned | dpkg forget debian.exe |
| 20:10.17 | dpkg | stoned: i forgot debian.exe |
| 20:10.21 | stoned | dpkg debian.exe is the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 20:10.21 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
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| 20:11.11 | stew | !contrib =~ s#depend on non-free software#depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free)# |
| 20:11.11 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 20:11.38 | ChrisW | e2label works fine on ext3 fses, right? |
| 20:11.44 | stew | ChrisW: yes |
| 20:11.54 | jm|laptop | I really should stop using sid in 'corporate' environments |
| 20:12.03 | tarzeau | jm|laptop: why? |
| 20:12.11 | jm|laptop | because packages keep breaking :) |
| 20:12.13 | stoned | you really should't use sid on production machines |
| 20:12.23 | stoned | jm|laptop: for yourself its ok if you want to run it |
| 20:12.24 | jm|laptop | maybe I should have added "if I want to use apt and not roll my own stuff" |
| 20:12.28 | dondelelcaro | if it matters that it breaks, unstable is the wrong choice |
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| 20:12.36 | jm|laptop | dondelelcaro: afl |
| 20:12.38 | debstroyer | I have windows xp on my first partition (hda1) and it keeps giving trouble after i do any linux install. Can I create (and how?) a new /boot partition before windows partition? |
| 20:12.57 | tp76 | debstroyer: what kind of trouble? |
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| 20:13.17 | stoned | debstroyer: its always good to intsall windows after linux. What you can do now to get your windows back is to chainload ntldr through grldr |
| 20:13.25 | stoned | er.. grub |
| 20:13.43 | debstroyer | tp76: grub launches win32 ok but then i get a black screen and grub menu again |
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| 20:14.03 | stew | stoned: isn't that backwards? linux after windows? |
| 20:14.07 | stoned | debstroyer: not without moving windows parititions you can't create one before it |
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| 20:14.19 | stoned | stew: well since .. wait what did I say? |
| 20:14.27 | tarzeau | jm|laptop: which package was it for you now? |
| 20:14.30 | tp76 | stoned: I thought it was the opposite, since Debian will notice there's another OS installed and automagically add it to menu.1st. Windows thinks it owns the system and will happily overwrite anything you might already have. |
| 20:14.33 | stoned | yeh |
| 20:14.35 | jm|laptop | tarzeau: libsasl2 |
| 20:14.36 | ChrisW_ | stew: so, I wanna e2label /dev/hde1 -> / |
| 20:14.36 | stoned | brain fart |
| 20:14.49 | tarzeau | jm|laptop: it's not like packages in stable are never broken :) |
| 20:14.59 | jm|laptop | hehe |
| 20:15.00 | ChrisW_ | '/dev/hde5 is mounted at none, 'cos it's swap, I need to do anything about that? |
| 20:15.05 | tp76 | debstroyer: but you can boot Debian? |
| 20:15.09 | stew | tarzeau: and therefore he should just run unstable? |
| 20:15.15 | tarzeau | stew: i never said that |
| 20:15.17 | debstroyer | From what ie read, everybody recommends windows THEN linux |
| 20:15.24 | stew | tarzeau: what is your point then? |
| 20:15.31 | debstroyer | tp76: using it right now |
| 20:15.34 | stoned | debstroyer: can you paste the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst on pastebin somewhere |
| 20:15.35 | alper | whats the command for making a new txt file? |
| 20:15.44 | tp76 | debstroyer: what does /boot/grub/menu.1st say about your Windows partition? |
| 20:15.47 | tarzeau | stew: he said he was running unstable, and something broke, and i wondered which package that was. i was just telling etch has some broken things too |
| 20:15.55 | valdyn | !wayttd alper |
| 20:15.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, alper? |
| 20:16.00 | stoned | debstroyer: maybe you're not chainloading, and if you are, maybe you're specifying hda1 in a wrong manner? |
| 20:16.05 | lupine_85 | alper: touch <filename> |
| 20:16.07 | tarzeau | stew: it's everyones own choice what they want to run, or what not |
| 20:16.11 | alper | k thx |
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| 20:16.11 | lupine_85 | but yeah |
| 20:16.15 | stoned | debstroyer: does grub tell you exactly what happened before it goes back to the menu? |
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| 20:16.47 | tp76 | s/.1st/.lst, BTW ;-) |
| 20:16.48 | stew | tarzeau: it seemed unhelpful and misleading |
| 20:17.07 | tarzeau | stew: to you. jm|laptop was it so? |
| 20:17.30 | tarzeau | stew: i'm here to help, and to help you need to know the details, like what's wrong, w/ what package |
| 20:17.31 | stoned | if he says "it was so." that would be a major burn |
| 20:17.32 | stoned | :) |
| 20:17.44 | jm|laptop | The following packages have unmet dependencies. libsasl2: Depends: libsasl2-2 (= 2.1.22.dfsg1-8+b1) but 2.1.22.dfsg1-9 is to be installed |
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| 20:18.05 | jm|laptop | I'm pretty sure 9 and 8+b1 are compatible but hey :) |
| 20:18.10 | Myelin | Stoned thanks for the help, but this page http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst indicates that poor mans install is not possible for minimal cd, is it an error on the website or am i understanding it wrongly? |
| 20:18.13 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: You don't need that package |
| 20:18.25 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: for tls? |
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| 20:18.30 | jm|laptop | oh ok |
| 20:18.33 | yos87 | Hi |
| 20:18.35 | jm|laptop | I'll fiddle with it |
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| 20:18.58 | yos87 | I have question which one is better, the NTFS file system or the EXT3? |
| 20:19.00 | stoned | what is a poor man install? |
| 20:19.01 | alper | how can i find out if there is a ftp server running? |
| 20:19.05 | ChrisW_ | okay, I've done the labelling, so now reboot? |
| 20:19.08 | tarzeau | yos87: ext3 afaik |
| 20:19.10 | stoned | Myelin: what is a poor man install? |
| 20:19.13 | Myelin | stoned: Hard disk install. |
| 20:19.13 | h3sp4wn | jm|laptop: keep libsasl2-2 (you don't need libsasl2) |
| 20:19.19 | stoned | Myelin: hd-media install? |
| 20:19.19 | tp76 | yos87: for Debian? ext3 ofcourse. |
| 20:19.23 | jm|laptop | cool ok |
| 20:19.25 | rahul | yos87: which one is better? a ford focus or a speedboat? |
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| 20:19.27 | yos87 | arzeau: what what afaik mean? |
| 20:19.29 | valdyn | yos87: better for what? |
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| 20:19.40 | Myelin | stoned: From hard disk using grub. |
| 20:19.41 | stew | tarzeau: huh? and part of you gathering details about his problem with unstable is to inform him that stable is broken? i'm not following you. I'm just saying that when someone says that they thing that they shouldn't run usntable becuase packages brean and you tell them "stable is also broken" it seems misleading tome |
| 20:19.48 | tp76 | yos87: $ wtf afaik |
| 20:20.09 | tp76 | yos87: "apt-get install bsdgames" if you get "...: command not found" ;-) |
| 20:20.14 | stoned | Myelin: that would be the hd-media install but i'm not sure you can do that with minimal cd, you can however do it with the CD1 afaik |
| 20:20.17 | stoned | i think. |
| 20:20.28 | rahul | real men have > terminate their prompt |
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| 20:20.41 | Myelin | Ok, i will try that and post feedback. Thanks for the help. :) |
| 20:21.00 | stoned | Myelin: can you tell me exactly what your situation is? |
| 20:21.00 | tarzeau | stew: i was just telling some personal experience i had, yes stable also has broken things. do you want to know details? |
| 20:21.05 | debstroyer | my /boot/grub/menu.lst: http://pastebin.ca/456428 |
| 20:21.08 | yos87 | valdyn: for the speed, recovery, reduce space.., I mean generally |
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| 20:21.10 | stoned | Myelin: maybe hd media install is not the best way for you |
| 20:21.14 | Myelin | Stoned: I am a newbie. :( |
| 20:21.20 | tarzeau | stew: you can find bugs anywhere. it's not like stable is absolutely bug free |
| 20:21.22 | stew | tarzeau: if you want help, sure |
| 20:21.23 | stoned | debstroyer: sec |
| 20:21.46 | tarzeau | stew: i've already found out the details on them in #d-d and worked around them, thanks |
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| 20:21.55 | yos87 | where can I read about the file systems by advanced? |
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| 20:22.15 | valdyn | yos87: you cant answer this generally, ext3 alone has several modes making a significant difference in speed and data security |
| 20:22.23 | stoned | Myelin: are you on broadband internet? |
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| 20:22.52 | doudou | stew, we discuss of logrotate, you explained me logrotate stop syslogd save and truc file, then restart syslogd, (i proposed to copy log file and trunc it from beginning of lenght of seved file, but i did not find a function who can trunc a file from begining) |
| 20:22.53 | Myelin | Stoned: No i will be installing using dpkg |
| 20:22.58 | stoned | Myelin: why not just get the netinst cd and burn it. Do you not have blank cds or a cd burner? |
| 20:23.21 | ijk | I couldn't google this, but thought I might get a hint or two here: Am putting together a small server (mini-itx) with a Compact Flash harddisk. Now I'm wondering how much space a very minimal Debian would require assuming no swap and a small X-environment + http server. Any ideas? |
| 20:23.25 | stoned | debstroyer: your windows xp entry looks fine.. so grub just goes black and goes back to menu when you try to load xp? |
| 20:23.32 | yos87 | valdyn: ok, Thank you |
| 20:23.41 | stew | doudou: no, i told you multiple times that logrotate does nothign with syslogd |
| 20:23.42 | debstroyer | stoned: yep |
| 20:23.52 | Selenolycus | What would happen after shuttin down with 'shutdown -h -t' ? I did that with some number flags, 3 and 5, and now my computer is acting funny. |
| 20:23.57 | stoned | debstroyer: no error messages of any kind ? |
| 20:23.58 | tp76 | debstroyer: what does "sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda" say? |
| 20:24.07 | Myelin | Stoned: Thanks man i will find my own way around now. thanks for the help. Bye. :) |
| 20:24.19 | stoned | ok |
| 20:24.41 | stew | doudou: syslog's logs are rotated by /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 20:24.50 | doudou | stew, logrotate mouve and save syslogd files ? |
| 20:24.57 | yos87 | I have another question, Can I change the screen resolution of the text mode? |
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| 20:25.07 | stew | doudou: no |
| 20:25.23 | doudou | stew, syslogd rotate files himself? |
| 20:25.24 | stew | doudou: and i also told you many times that i didn't think it was a good idea for you to edit the files, just to move and or remove them |
| 20:25.25 | stoned | yos87: i don't think so... |
| 20:25.28 | stew | doudou: yes |
| 20:25.55 | debstroyer | tp76: http://pastebin.ca/456431 |
| 20:26.19 | debstroyer | stoned: none |
| 20:26.28 | doudou | stew, anyhow, why data are not lost? if syslogd stops logging what happens to data |
| 20:26.30 | tarzeau | yos87: fb or not? |
| 20:26.36 | tarzeau | stoned: yes it's possible |
| 20:26.43 | tarzeau | yos87, stoned check fbset and svgatextmode |
| 20:26.49 | yos87 | stoned: But I have screen 19" 1280x1024 the screen woun't be nice with 640 |
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| 20:27.24 | stoned | no friggin way! |
| 20:27.33 | rahul | !penixstrike hartford |
| 20:27.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking hartford to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 20:27.43 | stew | doudou: becuase syslogd isn't restarted, it is sent a -HUP to tell it to reopnen the logfile |
| 20:27.48 | alper | im running an apache2 server with php 4 and i installed mysql services manuelly (including php4-mysql) but in the php-info file i created it shows "without-mysql" |
| 20:27.49 | stew | logfiles |
| 20:27.55 | stoned | how come no one told me |
| 20:28.01 | stoned | I never got a card or a fax or anything |
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| 20:28.17 | stoned | now im gonna re resolutionize my console |
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| 20:28.27 | stoned | is that even a word, well i guess it is now |
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| 20:28.49 | ChrisW_ | er, stew, doesn't look like that box I e2label'ed is coming up :-( |
| 20:29.01 | ChrisW_ | I guess it could just be doing the mother of all ext3 fschk's? |
| 20:29.01 | Galaxor | Hi. I'm trying to write a 'config' script for my debian package. I got it to run once, but I decided I wanted to tweak it. I found I couldn't. Possibly because my answers were cached? It says that all the questions are 30 skipped now. How do I clear the cache to continue debugging my config script? |
| 20:29.20 | stew | Galaxor: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 20:29.33 | h3sp4wn | Is the LABEL= or UUID= kernel command line handled by the kernel itself or the initramfs |
| 20:29.42 | stew | h3sp4wn: kernel |
| 20:29.55 | tp76 | debstroyer: "nice partitioning" ;-) Not sure what's wrong, sorry. AFAICT, it /should/ work given your current setup. |
| 20:30.01 | yos87 | who asked me to install the bsdgames? |
| 20:30.13 | rahul | stoned: drive me to hartford thursday |
| 20:30.19 | rahul | we'll go see some prog |
| 20:30.20 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 20:30.24 | rahul | ho |
| 20:30.35 | Galaxor | stew: Hm. The reconfigure just exited, like "okay, I'm done". |
| 20:30.35 | debstroyer | tp76: thanks anyway. another windose mistery then. |
| 20:30.37 | perlmonkey | does anyone here use phpmyadmin under etch? have you experienced a syntax error when accessing priviledges/user table? |
| 20:30.43 | stoned | rahul: yeh sure, I got nothing to do. pay for gas |
| 20:30.47 | rahul | really? |
| 20:30.47 | doudou | stew, -HUP is asking syslogd to reopen log files, some process should save files meanwhile ? |
| 20:30.56 | h3sp4wn | stew: thanks |
| 20:31.02 | rahul | stoned: we gotta be there by 8 or so |
| 20:31.04 | stoned | rahul: im not gonna drive to manhattan though, you come over to my house, and i'll drive you |
| 20:31.11 | rahul | wtf |
| 20:31.12 | Galaxor | stew: I just plain ran my config script from the command-line, not from dpkg install, is the problem I think. |
| 20:31.17 | tp76 | debstroyer: any particular reason for this fancy partitioning scheme? Did you do this yourself or was it done automagically by some installer? |
| 20:31.20 | stoned | rahul: man you told me not to drive to manhattan |
| 20:31.20 | rahul | stoned: that'll take longer than taking the train to hartford |
| 20:31.22 | stoned | cuz it sucks |
| 20:31.27 | rahul | stoned: bah |
| 20:31.34 | rahul | hrm, let me think |
| 20:31.39 | stoned | ok brb |
| 20:31.42 | jm|laptop | h3sp4wn: thanks buddy. Got it working now :) |
| 20:31.45 | stew | doudou: no, its asks it to reopen the logfile after the old logfile has been moved to a new location |
| 20:31.47 | Galaxor | stew: So, even if I remove --purge the package, it still skips all the questions. |
| 20:32.00 | debstroyer | tp76: did it manually. any suggestions? |
| 20:32.24 | stew | Galaxor: dpkg-reconfigure packagename should ask all of the questionss, no matter what, afaik, is it not? |
| 20:32.27 | tp76 | debstroyer: I take it your Linux partitions are /, /boot, and /usr or something like that. What's up with the Windows partitions? |
| 20:32.39 | tp76 | (and why are you using FAT if you're using Windows XP?) |
| 20:33.39 | debstroyer | tp76: hda1: win32 hda2:win32_home hda3: archive |
| 20:33.40 | stew | doudou: moving is much better than editing because A) all it has to do is update a directory entry with the new name, it doesn't have to move any bits on the disk the way editing a file would. and B) the loggin process can continue logging to the file before and after it is moved |
| 20:33.57 | Galaxor | stew: I would think so. It's hard to say why it's not doing anything. I set my DEBCONF_DEBUG to developer. If I straight-up run the 'config' script from the command line, I get to see all the "30 skipped" messages. With dpkg-reconfigure, it prints nothing. |
| 20:34.18 | stew | Galaxor: i'd recommend adking on #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 20:34.19 | doudou | stew, old log file is moved, syslogd continues writing in old log file, then syslogd is creating new logfile, then old logfile is zipped, is that the story? |
| 20:34.27 | debstroyer | tp76: sorry, hda1: win32 hda2 extd hda3: archive |
| 20:34.31 | Galaxor | stew: Okay, thanks. |
| 20:34.42 | tp76 | debstroyer: as for FAT vs NTFS? Not that this necessarily has anything to do with your problems. I'm just curious now. |
| 20:35.04 | debstroyer | tp76: all fat32 |
| 20:35.10 | tp76 | I can see that, but why? |
| 20:35.32 | stew | doudou: the file being written to isn't zipped, the next older one might be |
| 20:35.45 | tp76 | Actually, never mind. I'm not supposed to care about Windows *grin* |
| 20:35.49 | stew | doudou: the old one from the previous rotation |
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| 20:36.06 | perlmonkey | #1064 - You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ') ORDER BY `User` ASC, `Host` ASC' at line 1 (Debian's etch package phpmyadmin) |
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| 20:36.45 | jm|laptop | perlmonkey: you mean *IT* forged the SQL or you? |
| 20:36.53 | stew | doudou: syslog.1.gz is moved to syslog.2.gz; syslog.0 is compressed to syslog.1.gz. syslog is moved to syslog.0 and syslog is sent -HUP |
| 20:36.53 | debstroyer | tp76: i installed knoppix in hda9 and had some problems due to grub versions used. do you think that mught be the problem? grub being mixed up? |
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| 20:37.15 | tp76 | debstroyer: at any rate, if you used to boot from /dev/hda1 (as it seems) then your menu.lst configuration should work, AFAICT. You might try a grub-install again, though. |
| 20:37.39 | rahul | stoned: hrm, I guess 684 to 84 is the best way to get there |
| 20:37.40 | spyroboy | Is there a !seen bot in here? |
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| 20:37.57 | debstroyer | tp76: from command line? |
| 20:37.58 | stew | spyroboy: /msg dpkg seen nick |
| 20:38.01 | spyroboy | thanks |
| 20:38.08 | rahul | oh, wtf. takes longer to drive than take the train |
| 20:38.17 | doudou | stew, log file has his named changed but syslogd still writes in it, syslogd is asked to create new one (no data is lost), then old file can be saved, this is right? |
| 20:38.20 | tp76 | debstroyer: yes. "grub-install /dev/hda" in your case. Check the manpage to be sure. |
| 20:38.22 | rahul | !penixstrike cars |
| 20:39.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cars to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:39.43 | debstroyer | tp76: thanks. ill try that |
| 20:39.44 | stew | doudou: sort of. but the renaming is the saving, there is no "saving" just renaming |
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| 20:39.45 | perlmonkey | jm|laptop: that error appears just by clicking on the "Priviledges" link to access to the user table |
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| 20:39.46 | stew | doudou: the file is renamed, and syslog opens a new one after receiving -HUP and that is it, look through /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 20:39.46 | jm|laptop | perlmonkey: oh dear |
| 20:40.01 | foo | I am trying to install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, and it's trying to remove kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7-smp. Because I don't want it to remove the current running kernel, it won't continue. I'm upgrading from sarge -> etch. Any ideas? |
| 20:40.15 | perlmonkey | $sql_query .= ' ORDER BY `User` ASC, `Host` ASC;'; |
| 20:40.25 | perlmonkey | (source code) |
| 20:40.36 | stew | foo: aptitude hold kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7-smp ; then try again |
| 20:40.45 | foo | stew: ahh, thanks |
| 20:40.50 | doudou | stew, no data can be lost this way, time needed to create a new file by syslogd is very short maybe atomic |
| 20:40.55 | stew | foo: are you following the procedure in the release notes? |
| 20:41.05 | foo | stew: yep |
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| 20:42.54 | doudou | stew, is syslogd using a pipe ? |
| 20:42.59 | rahul | stoned: forget driving. it'll take at least as long as the train |
| 20:43.05 | stew | doudou: yes, anyone logging while syslog is changing files can be blocked |
| 20:43.12 | stew | doudou: what do you mean? |
| 20:43.23 | troubled | rahul: roadtrip huh |
| 20:43.32 | Octopssy | How can I put all dirs+files using sftp? |
| 20:43.36 | rahul | troubled: I just wanna get to the next state, heh |
| 20:43.40 | Octopssy | put * doesn't copy dirs |
| 20:43.56 | rahul | Octopssy: recursive |
| 20:44.01 | wintix | is there something like irfanview for debian out there? |
| 20:44.13 | jm|laptop | wintix: gqview ? |
| 20:44.31 | troubled | rahul: dont forget to take the opportunity to exchange public keys securly! :) |
| 20:44.35 | wintix | i'm currently using gthumb but i pretty much miss the F8 function to copy to a specific location in order to sort my pictures. |
| 20:44.41 | doudou | stew, a pipe is a fifo, all process write in it, and syslogd copy data of pipi into log file? |
| 20:44.42 | Octopssy | rahul: and how to auto overwrite? |
| 20:44.51 | wintix | jm|laptop: i will have a look at it. thanks for the suggestion. |
| 20:44.52 | rahul | I'll exchange pubic .. .I mean .. uh |
| 20:44.58 | jm|laptop | wintix: dn |
| 20:45.03 | stew | doudou: it can use pipes, files, udp sockets, however it is configured in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:45.05 | rahul | Octopssy: have you checked the man page |
| 20:45.06 | rahul | ? |
| 20:45.07 | stew | doudou: err /etc/syslog.conf |
| 20:45.10 | wintix | jm|laptop: dn? |
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| 20:45.16 | Octopssy | yes, but coulndnt find |
| 20:45.17 | jm|laptop | de nada |
| 20:45.19 | Octopssy | but i guess im blind |
| 20:45.25 | wintix | i see. |
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| 20:46.00 | rahul | Octopssy: oh, you're using sftp. scp is easier. |
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| 20:46.23 | nite613 | !nvidia |
| 20:46.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 20:46.26 | Octopssy | yea |
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| 20:47.18 | doudou | stew, syslog.conf is for dispatching logs into logs files, emrergency gestions and so one |
| 20:47.45 | troubled | doudou: gestions? |
| 20:48.24 | doudou | troubled, sorry mean management |
| 20:48.30 | stew | doudou: man syslog ; man sysklogd ; man syslogd |
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| 20:49.29 | troubled | doudou: ah, was wondering, nothing really fit the context :/ |
| 20:49.47 | doudou | stew, yes it is for configuring your system, mostly useful for big computers with many users |
| 20:50.22 | stew | doudou: no its very useful on single user systems as well |
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| 20:50.59 | doudou | troubled, language problem you are right, syslogg.conf is mostly for settings of priority of messages and destinations |
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| 20:51.28 | troubled | stew, doudou: ummm, which one is giving who the lesson here? cause i always consdered stew to be extremly well versed in linux internals, especially syslog |
| 20:51.35 | debstroyer | tp76: no good. thanks anyway |
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| 20:52.37 | tp76 | debstroyer: sorry I couldn't be of more help. Good luck. |
| 20:52.37 | troubled | just seems like your both telling each other about syslog heh |
| 20:52.38 | doudou | troubled, when stew does not agree he says so |
| 20:52.50 | debstroyer | tp76: hey you tried, thats what counts |
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| 20:53.13 | troubled | doudou: he "stew's" on it for a bit :) |
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| 20:53.47 | doudou | stew, as i can refuel my system in less than 5 minutes, i do not spend too much time reading if it works perfectly, as soon as it seems strange i change it |
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| 20:54.13 | andreas_ | Hi. Can someone please direct me to a decent Lenny sources.list? |
| 20:54.23 | troubled | htf do you refuel an OS? |
| 20:54.26 | tp76 | debstroyer: BTW, personally I'd back up my data and wipe the disk clean. Install Windows first on /dev/hda1 (and use NTFS rather than FAT) and then Debian on /dev/hda2 (and swap on /dev/hda3). Do you really need all those partitions? ;-) |
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| 20:54.50 | doudou | stew, i would like to have a fresh new system at each boot indeed for going into internet |
| 20:55.21 | foo | Hm, I'm getting a lot of this: localhost kernel: eth0: Too much work at interrupt, status=0x00000001. - any ideas? Hmph. |
| 20:55.24 | tp76 | Preferably just install Debian and forget about Windows, but since you already have it I assume you need it for some reason ;-> |
| 20:55.49 | wintix | andreas_: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free - same for deb-src |
| 20:56.07 | debstroyer | tp76: the issue is this is a clean install :( xp clean install and debian 4.0 |
| 20:56.10 | andreas_ | wintix: Thanks |
| 20:56.18 | wintix | andreas_: and maybe replace "de" |
| 20:56.38 | troubled | doudou: why alter the whole os each boot? little extreme isnt it? lots of hd wear and tear i mean. ever considered rsync's instead? |
| 20:56.47 | karsten | foo: You've installed a slacker kernel? |
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| 20:57.14 | starnix17_ | !fglrx |
| 20:57.15 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
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| 20:57.36 | doudou | troubled, you are right, extreme but fitting my knowledge or ignorance |
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| 20:57.57 | orkid | hi, i'm wondering if anyone can help. i dd if=boot.img of=/dev/sda, and then boot the USB key, and I get a 'Boot Error'. The boot.img is the 4.0r0 i386 hd-media install image. |
| 20:58.04 | karsten | foo: What driver are you using? |
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| 20:58.22 | troubled | doudou: i assume you simply want to be unaffected somehow by viruses or something? |
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| 20:58.38 | intelikey | ftp://ftp.keystealth.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-businesscard.iso <<<< only boots to a kernel panic |
| 20:58.52 | tp76 | debstroyer: doesn't look very clean, given that menu.lst thinks you have two Debian installations (and a really weird partitioning scheme, IMO). |
| 20:58.56 | karsten | doudou: Um. Boot a liveCD in that case. |
| 20:59.14 | karsten | doudou: Unnecessary precaution in most circumstances, however, AFAIC. |
| 20:59.26 | doudou | troubled, yes and it is difficult to trust anything |
| 20:59.47 | karsten | doudou: I've given up on trust. |
| 20:59.57 | troubled | doudou: you do realize that reinstalling each boot doesnt mean anything if I were to say rewrite the flash roms on your vid/network card right? |
| 21:00.03 | karsten | doudou: I just threaten everyone I know with violent consequences should they cross me. |
| 21:00.09 | doudou | karsten, yes but cd are slower |
| 21:00.13 | stew | doudou: what do you mean by "fresh new system"? |
| 21:01.42 | doudou | stew, in some cyber cafe, you have new system each time |
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| 21:01.57 | stew | doudou: i don't know what that means |
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| 21:02.02 | doudou | stew, only for surf internet |
| 21:02.23 | stew | doudou: you want to install somehting that is like a kiosk where the only thing you can do is surf the internet? |
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| 21:03.07 | doudou | stew, a server and diskless computers, with fresh system each boot |
| 21:03.07 | stew | doudou: why not use a livecd? |
| 21:03.07 | troubled | just use a livecd man |
| 21:03.27 | doudou | stew, livecd is slower, i tried it 2 years ago, maybe things are different |
| 21:03.30 | karsten | doudou: There are a number of options for you. Some systems wipe and restore _user_ settings each time (browser cache, plugins, and environment can screw you). You can have a netboot which reloads the entire ssytem live at each boot. You can run from CDR. You can boot from a CD image (iso file on disk) which should address the performance concerns. I suspect you don't know enough to know what you're asking, let alone to decide among alternative |
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| 21:03.38 | asdasd | how to open a tarball ? |
| 21:03.40 | asdasd | *.tart |
| 21:03.40 | JoKo | Hi... I've changed testing to etch in /etc/apt/sources.list when etch went stable, done dist-upgrade and that's it. After that I haven't got any updates; even in update most files get Ign (ignore, I assume). Is something wrong or etch is too stable for updates??? |
| 21:03.41 | asdasd | -.tar |
| 21:04.05 | xand | asdasd: "tar" command. |
| 21:04.12 | karsten | asdasd: man tar |
| 21:04.21 | calmar | hi all. anyone experience burning a old dvd-compatible (no divx) disk out of a movie? |
| 21:04.24 | troubled | doudou: i understand the need to be/feel secure, but if the government cant make a 100% hack proof system, you probably cant either hehe |
| 21:04.33 | karsten | JoKo: aptitude update; aptitude -dy dist-upgrade. Should do something. |
| 21:04.42 | doudou | karsten, boot from a cd image, can i create one from my system easily |
| 21:04.43 | asdasd | karsten you are so funny lol |
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| 21:04.50 | asdasd | xand |
| 21:04.53 | asdasd | so you are |
| 21:04.54 | tuxx | hmm anyone know what the hell is up with apt-get.org? |
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| 21:05.02 | tuxx | i need to find a package called: nylon |
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| 21:05.05 | xand | asdasd: I don't see what's so funny? |
| 21:05.07 | karsten | doudou: There's a livcd package for Debian. |
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| 21:05.17 | tuxx | socks5-server |
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| 21:05.26 | xand | honestly, some people |
| 21:05.40 | karsten | doudou: live-package |
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| 21:05.48 | doudou | karsten, can i put this image in ftp server, and boot from network? |
| 21:05.50 | tuxx | anyone know where i can find a source for the package: nylon? |
| 21:05.53 | ma3x | why dont I have /dev/dsp? |
| 21:05.59 | tuxx | ma3x: cause your noob |
| 21:06.00 | karsten | doudou: See my earlier response. |
| 21:06.10 | ma3x | tuxx, that still doesnt solve the problem |
| 21:06.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: no sound driver loaded? |
| 21:06.20 | ma3x | tarzeau, I ran alsaconf already |
| 21:06.22 | wintix | tuxx: apt-get source <package> |
| 21:06.22 | doudou | karsten, but this livecd is probably gnome |
| 21:06.27 | karsten | doudou: Either 1) Just use Debian normally or 2) just use a live CD (eg: Knoppix). If you insist on doing this your way, do your own research. |
| 21:06.29 | tarzeau | ma3x: what sound card do you have? kernel version? uname -a, lspci? |
| 21:06.33 | doudou | karsten, too heavy for my taste |
| 21:06.40 | karsten | doudou: Dude. That's your problem. |
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| 21:06.43 | ma3x | Linux debian 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:06.57 | tp76 | tuxx: http://monkey.org/~marius/pages/?page=nylon probably. |
| 21:06.59 | tuxx | wintix: no i mean.. theres no nylon package in apt-cache search |
| 21:07.02 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 21:07.10 | perlmonkey | monkey.org |
| 21:07.13 | JoKo | karsten: for update: Fetched 3B in 3s (1B/s)... Is this normal? |
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| 21:07.21 | karsten | JoKo: No. |
| 21:07.22 | tuxx | tp76: i meant i wanta install it using apt-get |
| 21:07.23 | tarzeau | doudou: maybe bootcd - run your system from cd without need for disks |
| 21:07.25 | ma3x | tarzeau, sound is SI7012 (kmix) |
| 21:07.27 | wintix | tuxx: doesn't seem to be in debian? |
| 21:07.35 | tarzeau | ma3x: never heard of SI7012 ... :) |
| 21:07.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've asked for the lspci line |
| 21:07.53 | tuxx | wintix: well normally i'd search apt-get.org for the package and add the soruce to my sources list |
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| 21:07.55 | tp76 | tuxx: it's not in the archive, so you can't. You can, however, make your own .deb from the sources but I'm not sure what good that's going to do. |
| 21:07.58 | tuxx | but apt-get.org is down |
| 21:08.12 | ma3x | tarzeau, there are more, which one PCI or ISA bridge |
| 21:08.17 | tuxx | tp76: lame |
| 21:08.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: the one for the sound card? |
| 21:08.28 | wintix | well. maybe wate until it's up again, tuxx ? |
| 21:08.30 | tuxx | depends on libevent and stuff too |
| 21:08.33 | tp76 | Well there might be an "unofficial" archive that I'm not aware of, ofcourse. |
| 21:08.33 | wintix | *wait |
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| 21:08.38 | tuxx | wintix: waited over 42hiours now |
| 21:08.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: does your kernel version support that card? |
| 21:08.45 | doudou | karsten, my problem could interest some other people, maybe could have been solved yet, there is no problem in fact, what i need will come |
| 21:08.54 | tarzeau | ma3x: how new is the computer, bought when? |
| 21:09.04 | ma3x | tarzeau, there are more http://paste.debian.net/26424 |
| 21:09.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, 2 years ago |
| 21:09.18 | tp76 | tuxx: what does it matter whether you get the source from apt-get or any other way? |
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| 21:09.32 | tuxx | tp76: i dont want the source man,... |
| 21:09.34 | perlmonkey | http://monkey.org/food/ |
| 21:09.34 | tuxx | i want the binary |
| 21:09.45 | ma3x | tarzeau, I can hear sound in skype, but the other end can't hear me |
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| 21:09.48 | tp76 | tuxx: then don't ask for the source. |
| 21:09.57 | tuxx | tp76: source as in server to download the binary from |
| 21:10.06 | tuxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: but it's not volumesetting of the microphone? checked aumix? |
| 21:10.27 | doudou | stew, thanks for your explanations about syslog, i took you lot of time, it is my fault, but i undertood now how it works |
| 21:10.40 | ma3x | tarzeau, I don't have aumix - I do the volume setting with kmix :) |
| 21:10.43 | doudou | thanks all |
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| 21:10.48 | tp76 | tuxx: check with the project page if they provide such a source, then. |
| 21:10.54 | ma3x | ma3x@debian:~$ aumix |
| 21:10.54 | ma3x | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 21:11.05 | karsten | doudou: There are a number of perfectly good, well-developed solutions to your problem. |
| 21:11.09 | wintix | perlmonkey: does monkey.org belong to you? |
| 21:11.11 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 21:11.44 | perlmonkey | wintix: no |
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| 21:12.10 | ma3x | tarzeau what's up? researching? |
| 21:12.17 | WannabeNewbie | Anyone here with Apollon able to lend a hand? |
| 21:12.17 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, i don't know |
| 21:12.21 | tarzeau | ma3x: playing some nethack.. |
| 21:12.28 | ma3x | tarzeau, well why aumix displays error? |
| 21:12.37 | karsten | !tell WannabeNewbie about polls |
| 21:12.39 | perlmonkey | wintix: do you want to join it? |
| 21:12.39 | karsten | !tell WannabeNewbie about ask |
| 21:12.46 | bit0 | is there any programa for pdf edition? |
| 21:13.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: telnet 80.219.69.57 27015 |
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| 21:13.20 | tarzeau | bit0: any editor? |
| 21:13.20 | karsten | bit0: s/edition/editing/? |
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| 21:13.34 | ma3x | tarzeau, wtf is that!?! |
| 21:13.38 | bit0 | sorry.. editor |
| 21:13.46 | ma3x | tarzeau, how do you play it? |
| 21:13.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: realtime nethack tv? |
| 21:13.51 | ma3x | I see only #. -| |
| 21:13.52 | WannabeNewbie | I have Apollon as my P2P program, For some reason I cannot get it to connect to any network. Any ideas? |
| 21:13.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: i play, you can only watch :) |
| 21:14.00 | yetifoot | bit0, i know you can edit create pdf in openoffice, but last time i tried it kept crashing, maybe its better now though... |
| 21:14.09 | ma3x | tarzeau, is there a little man or some figure? |
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| 21:14.18 | tarzeau | ma3x: the @ is me |
| 21:14.19 | karsten | bit0: Not really. You can modify PDFs in certain ways. PDF is not fundamentally an editable format nor can it be a best format for editing a document. |
| 21:14.21 | JoKo | Could anyone show me a typical sources.list file for Etch? |
| 21:14.34 | karsten | bit0: There are plenty of tools for *creating* PDFs, but you're best off working from source. |
| 21:14.39 | bit0 | yetifoot, thanks.. i'll try #openoffice.org |
| 21:14.48 | ma3x | tarzeau, I don't see the @ maybe i should try with xterm |
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| 21:14.52 | wintix | perlmonkey: no. i was just curious :) |
| 21:14.55 | troubled | JoKo: google for one |
| 21:14.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: yea, and make sure it's 80x25 |
| 21:15.04 | bit0 | karsten, i've a pdf .. i wish to import image and text from it |
| 21:15.09 | karsten | bit0: If you could describe more clearly what you want to do, specifically, I can give more useful guidance. |
| 21:15.10 | ma3x | tarzeau, what's the cli? |
| 21:15.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: the @ is not just a little man, it's the hero to save the world |
| 21:15.13 | stew | JoKo: deb url etch main ; deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main ; subtitute a mirror for "url": /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:15.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: the game is called nethack |
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| 21:15.43 | JoKo | troubled, most of the pages refer to the time etch was the testing release |
| 21:15.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, hold on, I got some problems, I'm destablizing the system (upgrading to sid |
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| 21:15.53 | JoKo | stew, thanks |
| 21:15.57 | bit0 | karsten, it's simple.. a copy/paste ;), now i import images (use pdf2..) but it's really slow |
| 21:16.02 | stew | JoKo: http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian is a commmon set of mirros where xx is a country code like us or uk or ca or nl or something |
| 21:16.02 | tp76 | bit0: see pdfimages |
| 21:16.06 | karsten | JoKo: Just refer to "stable" and you're going to be in etch. |
| 21:16.11 | yetifoot | i quite like to play nethack using the vultures eye interface, i guess old timers would flame me for such sacrilidge, but i like it |
| 21:16.11 | karsten | bit0: To or from a PDF? |
| 21:16.17 | bit0 | from |
| 21:16.20 | troubled | JoKo: dont matter really. just substitue stable for testing and etch for sarge etc |
| 21:16.37 | debstroyer | i have jre from sun. can i just delete the directories and install, say kafee instead? |
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| 21:16.44 | karsten | bit0: Depends on the PDF. Highly copy/paste for text should work. For images, you're more SOL. |
| 21:16.47 | bit0 | tp76, pdfimages sure!, i've used it |
| 21:16.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, how do I run xterm with 80x25? |
| 21:16.55 | tarzeau | ma3x: these are the gnomish mines, a dark place full of gnomes (to murder, unless you're gnome yourself) |
| 21:16.56 | bit0 | karsten, sure! |
| 21:17.04 | dondelelcaro | bit0: for images, just use import |
| 21:17.08 | stew | debstroyer: if you install sun using java packages you can have both installed and use "update-alternatives --config java" to switch between them |
| 21:17.09 | Mr-R | WorLDCup spams |
| 21:17.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: just start xterm? its default is 80x24 or 80x25 |
| 21:17.16 | ma3x | k |
| 21:17.18 | karsten | debstroyer: Or sun-java5-plugin or one of the other (non-free) Sun packages depending on what you need. |
| 21:17.19 | cmatheson | i'm running debian inside of vmware, but i can't get the networking to work. whenever i run ifconfig (or ifup), i get an error saying "eth0: link down". i can ping my own ip, but no others (Destination host unreachable). What does this all mean? |
| 21:17.29 | bit0 | thanks everyone!, just amazing :) |
| 21:17.35 | jelly-home | tarzeau: are there any kde mines? |
| 21:17.40 | troubled | tarzeau: gnomish mines? |
| 21:17.46 | yetifoot | lol tarzeau |
| 21:17.47 | debstroyer | karsten: i just want to use java browser plugin |
| 21:17.48 | tarzeau | jelly-home: haha :) |
| 21:17.59 | karsten | debstroyer: What I told you then. |
| 21:18.06 | tarzeau | jelly-home: kde has minesweeper.. well you can #C call monsters KDE 3.5 :) |
| 21:18.12 | tarzeau | troubled: yeah in nethack |
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| 21:18.30 | troubled | tarzeau: ah, never tried it really |
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| 21:18.40 | nn-main | how do i change video mode |
| 21:19.06 | stew | !drxx nn-main |
| 21:19.06 | dpkg | nn-main: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:19.18 | troubled | tarzeau: sounded like a wow reference at first. was thinking north of corssroads :) |
| 21:19.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: and this is gnome town, like toys'r'us , shopping malls |
| 21:19.22 | stew | nn-main: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:19.23 | ma3x | tarzeau, you are crazy! |
| 21:19.46 | ma3x | tarzeau, go play something at least more figurable like armagetron |
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| 21:20.43 | nn-main | no, no the keyboard shortcut |
| 21:20.46 | zirikili | hi all. after an upgrade the nvidia driver from xorg.conf can't be loaded anymore. what should I do? |
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| 21:21.17 | yetifoot | zirikili, maybe you need to change the xorg.conf from "nv" to "nvidia" ? |
| 21:21.28 | yetifoot | nevermind, sorry misread you |
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| 21:21.35 | h3sp4wn | zirikili: unstable ? if you just build the new nvidia-kernel-source and upgrade nvidia-glx |
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| 21:21.49 | ma3x | tarzeau, where is the monkey? |
| 21:21.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: the capital Y |
| 21:22.03 | zirikili | h3sp4wn: yeah. it is. |
| 21:22.07 | ma3x | tarzeau, is there a manual explaining that? |
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| 21:22.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: of course, check #nethack and www.nethack.org, man nethack |
| 21:22.27 | ma3x | tarzeau, you made a mistake you killed the monkey. |
| 21:22.33 | ma3x | tarzeau, you were supposed to give him a banana |
| 21:22.35 | cmatheson | what does it mean when ifconfig reports that my interface's link is down? (i'm running debian in a virtual machine) |
| 21:22.35 | edwin_quijada | How eliminate a variable exported? |
| 21:22.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: this game is so cult! old and great! |
| 21:22.47 | ma3x | tarzeau, is it single player only? |
| 21:22.50 | ma3x | haha |
| 21:22.51 | xixor | cmatheson: cable could be disconnected |
| 21:22.56 | tarzeau | ma3x: yep, the bitch monkey stole my orange potion |
| 21:23.05 | cmatheson | xixor: there is no cable... it's a virtual machien |
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| 21:23.15 | ma3x | tarzeau, trow some oranges at him |
| 21:23.16 | xixor | cmatheson: ah, then I don't know :) |
| 21:23.17 | karsten | cmatheson: Virtual cable. |
| 21:23.31 | cmatheson | karsten: man those virtual cables are always getting me!! |
| 21:23.31 | scrillaz | can i install lenny now and get latest applications? |
| 21:23.32 | troubled | cmatheson: vmware? |
| 21:23.33 | karsten | cmatheson: What's the host OS? |
| 21:23.37 | ma3x | tarzeau, what are the ### - the door? |
| 21:23.46 | zirikili | h3sp4wn: that's my case. what can I do to recover it? |
| 21:23.51 | cmatheson | troubled: karsten: it's vmware running on a linux box (not sure what distro... let me check) |
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| 21:23.57 | karsten | cmatheson: The virtual kids frequently trip over them and disconnect them. |
| 21:23.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, those are corridors |
| 21:26.10 | troubled | karsten :) |
| 21:26.10 | cmatheson | hehe |
| 21:26.10 | doudou | karsten, in fact i know how to build such system, i need to boot with grub on initrd system with samba, i dont know exactly how to make this work but principle seems correct |
| 21:26.10 | cmatheson | it's running on RHES3 |
| 21:26.10 | karsten | cmatheson: OK, just check that you've enabled the *guest* interfaces, and that you've got your VMWare virtual networking interfaces set up right. You should see a few VMWare processes running and a bridge device in 'ifconfig -a' or one of the 'brctl' commands, in the *host* OS. |
| 21:26.10 | troubled | cmatheson: vmware can accomplish that affect by disabling the interface that would be used, thus it appears as a nic to the guest, but the link is down if its not enabled in the host |
| 21:26.10 | karsten | doudou: Wonderful. |
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| 21:26.11 | karsten | doudou: I'll trust in your inestimable skills to dig yourself out of that hole. |
| 21:26.11 | cmatheson | karsten: troubled: ok, i'll check that out, thanks |
| 21:26.11 | doudou | karsten, you know how to do it in fact, and maybe you know where to find such system built |
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| 21:26.16 | karsten | doudou: I know how I'd go about solving the problem. It's not one I've solved recently. And I don't have time to solve it again on your behalf now. |
| 21:26.33 | karsten | doudou: As for where to find it built, yes I do, and I'm tired of telling you where. |
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| 21:27.41 | doudou | karsten, i was wondering about people working here, some should work for microsoft, others for gov, what i can tell you, is that truth is unversal for human kind, and cheating like lie can only hurt |
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| 21:27.58 | cmatheson | karsten: troubled: rad, that was the problem, it's all working now |
| 21:28.01 | karsten | doudou: Thank you for your deep and informed views on this matter. |
| 21:28.05 | karsten | cmatheson: FTW! |
| 21:28.17 | troubled | cmatheson: we accept paypal and all major credit cards :p |
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| 21:29.31 | h3sp4wn | zirikili: I told you what to do if you don't understand hint you shouldn't be running sid |
| 21:29.49 | doudou | karsten, sacastic and so one ... but such things truly happened before and evidences also, every one should maintain suspicion |
| 21:29.53 | h3sp4wn | zirikili: *understand that hint |
| 21:30.54 | torrr | how does people submit patchs to open source projects? |
| 21:31.07 | tarzeau | torrr: with email? |
| 21:31.12 | karsten | !customer |
| 21:31.12 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:31.26 | torrr | tarzeau, I don't know... you tell me |
| 21:32.00 | torrr | tarzeau, I have a small patch for gnome |
| 21:32.16 | tarzeau | torrr: what part of gnome exactly? got a debian package? |
| 21:32.36 | delire | ouch new the Ardour 2.0 looks sweet: http://ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png |
| 21:32.44 | zirikili | h3sp4wn: I think I did't understand your english when you said "unstable ? if you just build the new ...". Anyway, I will think about don't use sid. Thank you. |
| 21:32.54 | Seb | hrm apt-cache shows an 8.36 version of fglrx but apt gets a 404 when trying to fetch it. Any idea what's going on ? |
| 21:33.15 | telmich | why is xorg now '1.3.0.0' and not 7.x anymore in debian sid? |
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| 21:33.22 | karsten | !hand holding |
| 21:33.22 | dpkg | i heard hand holding is if you're expecting someone to walk you through a complex and detailed process to solve your problem, you may get lucky. Then again, you may not. If one (or more) people suggest that 1) you really shouldn't do that or 2) there's an existing 50-90% solution to that problem (which may or may not fit your case), you might want to pay it some heed. Or not. Browbeating people into helping you seldome works, but keep trying, you ... |
| 21:33.23 | dondelelcaro | Seb: the mirror has moved on; run apt-get update again. |
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| 21:33.30 | dondelelcaro | !+info fglrx |
| 21:33.32 | dpkg | Package 'fglrx' does not exist. |
| 21:33.35 | telmich | this brakes the fglrx driver |
| 21:33.37 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 21:33.40 | karsten | Too verbose. |
| 21:33.42 | orkid | if i don't taskel install desktop, how can i install kde after? i did an apt-get install kdm kde-core, and am wondering if the proer corg to install is 'xorg' or 'xorg-server' |
| 21:33.45 | delire | telmich: hehe 'brakes'. |
| 21:33.46 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i just did :\ |
| 21:33.49 | karsten | Anyone want to take a smack at that? |
| 21:33.58 | itrebal | I just purchased an SSL certificate and want to put it in /etc/ssl, but am not sure if I should create a new directory or otherwise, isthere any risk in putting it in /etc/ssl/certs? |
| 21:34.00 | dondelelcaro | Seb: the alternative is that your mirror is broken |
| 21:34.02 | telmich | delire: well, it IS broken. fglrx is a mess, but it's the only way to get x running here |
| 21:34.17 | telmich | delire: x1400 mobility radeon is one of the worst cards |
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| 21:34.23 | itrebal | (like.. will Debian see it and freak out) |
| 21:34.23 | Seb | dondelelcaro: it's http://ftp.us.debian.org :) |
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| 21:34.40 | dondelelcaro | Seb: try running apt-get again; some of those mirrors aren't always up to date |
| 21:34.50 | Seb | dondelelcaro: tried 3 times heh |
| 21:34.54 | Seb | dondelelcaro: and the file definitely ain't there |
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| 21:35.12 | dondelelcaro | Seb: well, you'll have to try until you find the one that matches the one you downloaded the Packages.gz file from |
| 21:35.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info fglrx etch |
| 21:35.17 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:35.19 | dpkg | Package 'fglrx' does not exist. |
| 21:35.30 | delire | telmich: it is a mess. you have to copy files around the place as the debian package plonks it in the wrong place most commonly. regardless, you meant to say "breaks" not "brakes" and ATI/AMD can go an fsck themselves sideways. |
| 21:35.38 | Seb | dondelelcaro: it's fglrx-kernel-src from experimental, that I'm trying to get. |
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| 21:36.19 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i'm just confused as to how apt-cache knows about this file if it's not there :\ |
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| 21:36.31 | sebas891 | hey folks, I've a little problem, when I do ping to a non existant domain, it's ping my own ip. |
| 21:36.40 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i mean, don't the packages.gz get created only after all the packages in the pool are where they should ? |
| 21:36.44 | dondelelcaro | Seb: apt-cache only shows what is in the Packages.gz file. It doesn't necessarily mean that the package is actually in the archive |
| 21:36.46 | sebas891 | when the domain resolve, no problem. |
| 21:37.13 | dondelelcaro | Seb: some mirrors don't update in the proper order (they should download new packages, update the Packages.gz files et al, then delete old packages) |
| 21:37.18 | stew | sebas891: if you run the command "getent hosts foo" does it return your ip? |
| 21:37.20 | Seb | sebas891: whatever DNS server you're using is doing this. Contact whoever administers it, I'd say. |
| 21:37.26 | Seb | dondelelcaro: gotcha |
| 21:37.34 | dondelelcaro | Seb: in this case though, 8.31.5-1 should be available. |
| 21:37.38 | Seb | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot ! |
| 21:37.47 | Seb | dondelelcaro: it's 8.36.5-1 I need ;) |
| 21:37.59 | Seb | (from experimental) |
| 21:38.05 | dondelelcaro | well, that may have just been uploaded, because I don't see it yet |
| 21:38.07 | h3sp4wn | zirikili: try /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 21:38.22 | Seb | dondelelcaro: i'll try later, it's ok |
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| 21:38.26 | delire | telmich: if i wasn't a graphics programmer, i'd most certainly avoid the binary junk altogether. sadly i'm too addicted to hardware shaders. |
| 21:38.29 | Seb | dondelelcaro: you mean on your mirror ? |
| 21:38.29 | torrr | tarzeau, yes, a debian package, I am not sure which part, i fixed it some time ago, and forgot about it, but now the update of it brought back the problem so I think I need to do something about it >:( |
| 21:38.38 | dondelelcaro | Seb: yes |
| 21:38.56 | Seb | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 21:39.05 | sebas891 | stew: yes... it returns my ip :( getent hosts foo ... ip + foo.mydomain... |
| 21:39.19 | Seb | dondelelcaro: it's on ftp.debian.org |
| 21:39.20 | stew | sebas891: when you run "host foo" does it return the same thing? or a "host foo not found"? |
| 21:39.31 | Seb | dondelelcaro: any idea where this one is located, geographically speaking ? |
| 21:40.16 | sebas891 | stew: it returns not found... |
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| 21:40.29 | jm|laptop | wintix: how was gqview? |
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| 21:40.44 | stew | sebas891: then it sounds like the problem is with your /etc/hosts file |
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| 21:41.02 | paddor | how to use svn with svn+ssh:// over a specific (not 22) ssh-port? |
| 21:41.03 | sebas891 | stew: good to know... thank you. |
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| 21:41.23 | stew | sebas891: (assuming your /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" in it) |
| 21:41.43 | orkid | fk this |
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| 21:42.01 | sebas891 | stew: cat nsswitch.conf .... hosts: files dns |
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| 21:43.04 | wintix | jm|laptop: pretty cool :) thanks again for the advice. |
| 21:43.12 | jm|laptop | :) |
| 21:43.38 | Seb | stew: how would it be his hosts file ? |
| 21:43.58 | stew | sebas891: now i'm second guessing myself. does "host foo.yourdomain.com" where yourdomain.com is actually your domain return a result? |
| 21:43.59 | sebas891 | stew: if I make the changes in the /etc/hosts should I need to reboot or the changes should be automatic ? |
| 21:44.11 | stew | sebas891: should be automatic. did you see something out of whack? |
| 21:44.14 | edwin_quijada | Somebody has installed tomcat 5.5.23? |
| 21:44.19 | telmich | delire: sure, breaks. but now, because debian set xorg to 1.3.0.0 as version string, fglrex refuses to be loaded |
| 21:45.01 | stew | Seb: well he did "host foo" and didn't get an answer, host only queries dns, so dns isn't giving him the bogus answer, "getent hosts foo" would query both dns and hosts. this is my reasoning at lesst. but i'm not positive it is sound |
| 21:45.01 | sebas891 | stew: I'm not sure, I had the name of the machin in the line 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:45.18 | stew | sebas891: that is correct, you should have the name of the machine on the line with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 21:46.37 | stew | sebas891: if your fqdn is foo.mydomain.com, what happens if you try to run "host doesntexist.mydomain.com" ? |
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| 21:46.46 | sebas891 | stew: ok, let me look at man hosts (if it's exist) |
| 21:46.55 | zirikili | h3sp4wn: thank you very much |
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| 21:47.43 | sebas891 | stew: when i do "host doesntexist.mydomain.com" it gives me my ip... (which is wrong) |
| 21:48.17 | sebas891 | it's exists ... for everything that does'nt exist... |
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| 21:50.44 | stew | sebas891: ok, so it is, in fact dns. sorry about the wild goose chase with /etc/hosts |
| 21:51.07 | Seb | stew: ;) |
| 21:51.23 | stew | sebas891: and its Seb's fault for not catching it sooner |
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| 21:51.36 | Seb | stew: my reasoning was that there's no way to setup this kind of resolution with /etc/hosts only heh. I don't know of any globbing or such being allowed in there |
| 21:51.40 | Seb | stew: hah |
| 21:51.58 | stew | sebas891: sounds like the dns administrator for mydomain.com has a wildcard entry for the domain. do you have a "search" line in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:52.04 | Seb | sebas891: maintenant tu peux remonter et re-chopper ma suggestion |
| 21:53.00 | sebas891 | stew: so when it does not resolv a domain with dns, it assumes that the domain exists... on my machin? |
| 21:53.26 | Ankman | anybody ever installed X on a vserver? *g* |
| 21:53.50 | Seb | sebas891: as I said, just contact the admin for your DNS server and tell him about the problem. Doesn't help any to be conjecturing in here, now does it ? |
| 21:54.07 | sebas891 | Ankman: good question, I would like to build a ltsp server in a vserver actually. (but not now) |
| 21:54.54 | Ankman | a dummy x server might work if you try X forard or VNC, but not know |
| 21:54.55 | sebas891 | Seb: ok, let my try another dns server to be positive about this :) |
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| 21:55.50 | stew | sebas891: if you have a 'search" line in /etc/resolv.conf, you could possibly remove that and get rid of the error, the wildcard entry might be on your domain for a reason |
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| 21:57.43 | Seb | sebas891: dig @otherserver some.name.foo |
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| 21:58.16 | sebas891 | stew: I had a search in my host file I remove it to be sure. |
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| 22:00.44 | sebas891 | seb: but... when I do dig to whatever domain that do not exist. it returns the expected result. |
| 22:01.13 | Seb | sebas891: which proves your dns is at fault |
| 22:01.45 | Seb | sebas891: compare "dig foo.doesntexist.com" to "dig @otherDNS foo.doesntexist.com" |
| 22:02.32 | karsten | Is ramdisk memory still allocated by kernel at boot time? As in it's not otherwise available to the ssytem? |
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| 22:04.56 | Supaplex | humm hummmm... |
| 22:05.22 | sebas891 | seb: the dig command is giving me the same result which my dns provider and other dns provide. |
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| 22:06.05 | karsten | Supaplex: My stock Debian kernel createds 16 8MB ramdisks. On a RHEL3 system it's 256x8MB. I remember back in the day when it was just 16x4KB. |
| 22:06.13 | karsten | Or was it 4MB? |
| 22:06.31 | sebas891 | seb: I don't think it is a problem with my dns provider... some how. |
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| 22:06.36 | karsten | Just have been 4 MB as I got the 15.n MB of the potato base_2.0.tgz image onto em, split. |
| 22:07.04 | SerajewelKS | can lftp put a directory recursively? |
| 22:07.12 | Supaplex | humph. I'm wreteling with lg3d |
| 22:07.34 | karsten | Supaplex: You're now swreteling with it. |
| 22:08.48 | jelly-home | wrestling? |
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| 22:08.48 | karsten | jelly-home: Oil? |
| 22:08.59 | karsten | jelly-home: ... or jelly? |
| 22:09.10 | Supaplex | my bad. my load average is high right now. keyboard is not fun to use in this shell. |
| 22:09.25 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: aye, it has something called reverse mirror |
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| 22:09.34 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: just found it on google :) |
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| 22:09.49 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Um, that would be yes then. I forgot about that. |
| 22:10.03 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: I did: lftp, ?mirror |
| 22:10.17 | Mika-chan | Is this out of the ordinary? After Etch was officially released, I haven't gotten any updates found using apt-get or Update Manager. I was getting them almost daily before Etch was released. |
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| 22:11.04 | jelly-home | a reverse mirror mirrors on the wall side. |
| 22:11.05 | SerajewelKS | karsten: did you say no? |
| 22:11.19 | karsten | SerajewelKS: No. |
| 22:11.22 | karsten | SerajewelKS: I said nothing. |
| 22:11.27 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ... then I said yes. |
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| 22:11.51 | Supaplex | Mika-chan: those were all the release critical bugs being updated. etch is stable, so only security+bug fixes remain. |
| 22:12.01 | jelly-home | Mika-chan: it's about normal, you'll see the occasional security update now and then |
| 22:12.04 | Supaplex | Mika-chan: eg, that's natural. |
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| 22:13.12 | ttz | hi there! |
| 22:13.12 | Mika-chan | Ok, thanks everyone. I guess when they stopped a while ago, I thought I broke something. 8-) |
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| 22:13.55 | Supaplex | you broke all of debian. it was you! you will pay! ;) jk. |
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| 22:14.09 | ttz | I'm using Linux 2.6.16.49, does anyone know if there is grsecurity patches around there for it? I have an old grsec 2.1.9 patch, but I would like to benefit from the latest feature of grsec 2.1.10. |
| 22:14.41 | ttz | Moreover grsecurity public cvs doesn't seem to be up to date... the last kernel import is 2.6.14 |
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| 22:15.06 | SerajewelKS | karsten: ok, i'm confused but ok :) |
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| 22:16.14 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Good, it's working ;-) |
| 22:17.02 | jelly-home | ttz: afaik no, the author has stated on grsec forums there's no plan to backport it |
| 22:17.12 | sebas891 | seb and stew: I found the problem, it was my resolv.conf with the search parameter. I had search mydomain.net |
| 22:17.21 | ttz | jelly-home: ok, thank you |
| 22:17.37 | sebas891 | when I change mydomain.net to lan it is working as it should. |
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| 22:17.43 | SerajewelKS | karsten: must ... eat ... paint ... chips ... |
| 22:18.04 | jm|laptop | "Miss Hoover? I eated my glue." |
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| 22:18.21 | jelly-home | ate? |
| 22:18.22 | karsten | SerajewelKS: May I recommend the purple ones, they're particularly good today. |
| 22:18.35 | crackcorn | howdy, how can i find fragmentation details of a drive, i thought i could with fsck -y but i doesnt appear to be displaying it with knoppix |
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| 22:18.47 | cwheeler | purple lead? |
| 22:18.49 | karsten | crackcorn: dumpe2fs and/or fsinfo (IIRC). |
| 22:18.59 | crackcorn | cheers ill give it a shot |
| 22:20.20 | karsten | crackcorn: dumpe2fs gives fragment size, gragments per group, but not a fragmentation score. |
| 22:21.15 | karsten | crackcorn: Possibly fsck.ext2 -nf |
| 22:21.25 | karsten | crackcorn: Should just report but not repair. |
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| 22:26.03 | oMish | Can I install app under my $HOME?bin instead of /usr/bin with dpkg and.or apt-get ? |
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| 22:27.43 | jelly-home | oMish: not easily |
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| 22:28.03 | PupenoR | Hello. |
| 22:28.13 | PupenoR | Is there a Debian way to have more than one Mantis instance? |
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| 22:28.59 | torrr | how exactly do I make a patch? I saw instructions 'diff -up oldfile newfile >patch' but the new and old file have the same name... |
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| 22:30.06 | Vampire | Express your opinions on GPLv3, click here http://s4.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=44376 |
| 22:30.15 | PupenoR | torrr: files can't have the same name (including path). |
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| 22:31.23 | torrr | PupenoR, sure, but when it is a different name it write the different name in the begining of the patch, and one of the names isn't right |
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| 22:32.02 | PupenoR | torrr: as far as I know, that's ok as long as the newer file is the right name. |
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| 22:33.17 | torrr | PupenoR, should it have the base dir in it like packagVersionX/folder/folder/file ? |
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| 22:33.52 | PupenoR | torrr: it depends how the patch is going to be used, but generally, naming problems can be solved latter. |
| 22:34.35 | torrr | PupenoR, OK, I have just never tried to submit a patch before |
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| 22:35.41 | PupenoR | torrr: just name the old file meaningfully, for example: cp file.c flie.c.org; edit file.c; diff -up file.c.orig file.c > file.c.add-supper-uber-feature.patch |
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| 22:37.10 | torrr | PupenoR, but then will they know the path? |
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| 22:38.01 | PupenoR | torrr: maybe, maybe not... tell them. |
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| 22:39.01 | torrr | ok |
| 22:40.28 | Azar | hmm how do I open a .jpg file from firefox? what do I need? |
| 22:41.03 | Gokee2 | Azar, Firefox opens jpg`s without anything special... |
| 22:41.26 | Azar | Gokee2: not for me, bah I can live without seeing pics |
| 22:41.28 | BUMBACL0T | which one came out first, KDE or GNOME? |
| 22:41.39 | azeem | BUMBACL0T: off-topic here |
| 22:41.41 | themill | Azar: just type in the filename into the status bar and it should show you the picture |
| 22:41.59 | Azar | themill: they are attachments into a yahoo mail.. |
| 22:42.12 | cafuego | BUMBACL0T: They're both stil in the closet. Don't hurry them, they're shy. |
| 22:42.57 | themill | Azar: hmmm.... odd. Yahoo mail complains a lot about iceweasel. Maybe it is actually broken. |
| 22:42.57 | Azar | ..which I think I am better off not to open |
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| 22:43.06 | Gokee2 | Azar, You could download them and open them that way |
| 22:43.14 | Azar | uh I know, I surf with javascripts off |
| 22:43.24 | Azar | Gokee2: good idea thanks |
| 22:43.35 | karsten | Azar: For IceWeasel: install the noscript plugin. |
| 22:43.51 | themill | Azar: Yahoo mail definitely needs javascript..... |
| 22:43.53 | karsten | Azar: Konqueror also has javascript/java controls, set default policy to disallow. |
| 22:44.08 | karsten | !win cafuego |
| 22:44.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 22:44.40 | karsten | BUMBACL0T: Read the changelogs. |
| 22:44.41 | cafuego | How fitting. |
| 22:44.45 | Ronin | ill go if he doesnt want to |
| 22:45.13 | karsten | Ronin: You *are* aware that the goatse.cx server isn't actually there. |
| 22:45.24 | Ronin | :( |
| 22:45.27 | Dave2 | :( |
| 22:46.24 | simonrvn | karsten: that wasn't very nice, bursting Ronin's bubble like that :P |
| 22:46.27 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 22:46.47 | Ronin | going to my corner and pout now |
| 22:46.53 | simonrvn | aaw :( |
| 22:46.54 | drwahl | is mosix no longer available as an apt-get packages? |
| 22:46.59 | karsten | simonrvn: So *that's* what they're calling it these days. |
| 22:47.06 | karsten | !tell drwahl about search |
| 22:47.16 | simonrvn | drscholl |
| 22:47.19 | karsten | drwahl: Might also check excuses if you can't find it. |
| 22:47.24 | Azar | hehe thanks guys |
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| 22:48.17 | simonrvn | karsten: calling what? |
| 22:48.26 | simonrvn | it? |
| 22:48.34 | karsten | simonrvn: "bursting bubbles" |
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| 22:48.35 | simonrvn | oh *that* it |
| 22:48.43 | simonrvn | (o_O) |
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| 22:49.18 | karsten | ... and "drink tea". |
| 22:49.20 | drwahl | karsten: i have been searching, and i see old links to mosix, but it seems that they are down. did it change names? or is mosix just no longer apart of debians repository? |
| 22:49.21 | cafuego | Oh _really_? |
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| 22:49.39 | Azar | ew I was right not to attempt to open those .jpg, this guy is nuts man. forwards prayer messages..eww |
| 22:49.54 | karsten | drwahl: I honestly don't know which is why I told you about search. |
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| 22:49.56 | Azar | simonrvn: what updates? I haven't got any in a week |
| 22:50.03 | simonrvn | sid |
| 22:50.12 | Azar | ah I see.. |
| 22:50.16 | karsten | drwahl: I do know that Mosche Bar (founder of Mosix) is on to to a few new projects, but may still be doing some mosix work. |
| 22:50.22 | Azar | so sid gets updates, interesting |
| 22:50.22 | karsten | drwahl: He's a former boss of mine. |
| 22:50.32 | karsten | cafuego: *Really*. |
| 22:50.37 | karsten | cafuego: Jealous? |
| 22:50.46 | drwahl | karsten: ok, thank you |
| 22:51.37 | cafuego | karsten: Of course. Nothing much else to do on christmas island. |
| 22:52.00 | themill | drwahl: looks like mosix was removed from debian c2003. |
| 22:52.02 | Azar | karsten: there was something on the net news this morning, I didn't payed attention: goatse.cx for sale? |
| 22:52.14 | Dave2 | It has been for a while :( |
| 22:52.19 | karsten | Azar: Shh! Don't tell anyone I'm bidding on it. |
| 22:52.20 | Dave2 | the damn scum who bought it, just to sell it :( |
| 22:52.28 | Azar | damn my stupid mouth! |
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| 22:52.31 | simonrvn | no, no etch updates for me either |
| 22:52.35 | drwahl | themill: thank you... that kinda sucks thoug ;( |
| 22:52.37 | simonrvn | it's stable ;) |
| 22:52.55 | themill | drwahl: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/05/msg01135.html |
| 22:52.57 | karsten | drwahl: What're you trying to do? |
| 22:53.00 | themill | that thread might help |
| 22:53.25 | Azar | simonrvn: I got some notification on my email but the updates are not applying to my configuration: updated packages not installed here |
| 22:53.44 | drwahl | karsten: i am working on a database cluster for school, and we are making a parallel procecssed cluster |
| 22:54.04 | edwin_quijada | How can I test if Tomcat is working from console? |
| 22:54.29 | cafuego | Check its log file, or telnet to the power it's supposed to be listening on. |
| 22:54.31 | cafuego | port |
| 22:54.34 | karsten | drwahl: Probably beowulf or one of the distributed queue managers, or slony for postgres. |
| 22:54.41 | starnix17_ | does the debian bot have anything to say about installing nvidia drivers? |
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| 22:54.54 | cafuego | !tell starnix17_ -about nvidia |
| 22:54.56 | Azar | starnix17_: try it : /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 22:55.23 | themill | starnix17_: it doesn't bite :) |
| 22:55.24 | Azar | starnix17_: more precisely /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 22:55.38 | drwahl | karsten: i only have like 2 weeks to set it up, so i thoguht mosix would be the easiest |
| 22:56.56 | stoned | I have a question regarding my router and network speed, I have a WRT54G router on which 2 machines are WIRED, when I xfer something from A to B both wired to my router, I get maybe 400-600kb/s xfer rates, would figure on local network it should be faster right. I'm going through NFS, any ideas why it is so slow? |
| 22:57.08 | stoned | one PC runs SID and one runs Etch |
| 22:57.12 | stoned | which I guess doesn't matter |
| 22:57.25 | abrotman | kb or KB ? |
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| 22:57.30 | stoned | kilobyte per second |
| 22:57.39 | karsten | stoned: Note that network traffic is generally specified in kbits. |
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| 22:57.58 | abrotman | and are they both running at 100Mb ? |
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| 22:57.58 | stoned | local lan should be what, 10mbit? |
| 22:57.59 | karsten | stoned: So 600 * 8 == 4.8 Mbps |
| 22:58.14 | abrotman | stoned: mii-tool and ethtool will help you see what they are running at |
| 22:58.24 | stoned | ok |
| 22:58.25 | cafuego | stoned: Yah, 10-ish |
| 22:58.27 | ChrisW_ | stew: still here? |
| 22:58.39 | stew | ChrisW_: yes |
| 22:58.43 | karsten | stoned: I'd hope for some significant fraction of 100 Mbps. Typically on a switched network, you'd see about 80% of nominal bandwidth max. |
| 22:58.45 | stoned | cafuego: that makes sense, so 10mbit local lan == what, roughly 1megabyte/sec? |
| 22:58.51 | cafuego | 4.8 Mb is half-duplex 10M eh |
| 22:58.54 | karsten | stoned: Yeah. |
| 22:58.58 | karsten | cafuego: Right. |
| 22:59.08 | ChrisW_ | okay, I rigged up a monitor to the box that didn't come back |
| 22:59.13 | karsten | stoned: So we think you're running hubbed (not switched) 10 Mbps. |
| 22:59.17 | cafuego | stoned: So it looks like you're running at 10Buit and half duplex |
| 22:59.19 | stoned | well |
| 22:59.22 | ChrisW_ | Kernel paic: attempt to kill init!... |
| 22:59.29 | karsten | ChrisW_: Don't do that. |
| 22:59.31 | karsten | ChrisW_: ;-) |
| 22:59.37 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:59.41 | stoned | if you read my question, I am wiring two machines on a WRT54G v6 which has a 4 port switch on it |
| 22:59.46 | ChrisW_ | first thing that looks out of whack: pivor_root: No Such file or directory |
| 22:59.49 | stew | ChrisW_: this is booting the 2.4 kenrel? |
| 22:59.50 | stoned | regular ethernet cables not cat5e I think |
| 22:59.55 | karsten | ChrisW_: During boot? Yeah, bad initrd. |
| 22:59.58 | stoned | man its been a long time since I took lan 101 |
| 23:00.04 | stoned | 4 years ago in college |
| 23:00.07 | karsten | ChrisW_: ... or misspecified rootfs following initrd. |
| 23:00.13 | ChrisW_ | stew: yeah, just did the label stuff |
| 23:00.18 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 23:00.23 | torrr | I did some change to the source and installed and right after that, I get an update notification for the same library that I ahve changed... |
| 23:00.30 | cafuego | The WRT54G does do 100mbit though, yes: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex. |
| 23:00.48 | stoned | cafuego: so what can do to make it faster |
| 23:00.50 | stew | ChrisW_: you can use 'e' in grub to change the kenrel command line, then change root=LABEL=/ back to root=/dev/hda1 |
| 23:00.59 | cafuego | stoned: Then you have either a dodgy networkc ard somewhere or the hdd you're transferring to is broken |
| 23:01.19 | karsten | stoned: So, I was giving some college advice to a HS senior looking at schools locally. Realized it was a bit dated. "This _is_ advice on college from about the time you were being born." "When did you start college?" "1986". "Actually, about four years prior." "Gee, thanks". |
| 23:01.22 | stoned | cafuego: I have a marvel yukon gb eth on a GA 965P mobo |
| 23:01.36 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:01.40 | stoned | cafuego: the other machine is on a dell inspiron i dunno what its running i never bothered to look |
| 23:01.45 | cafuego | stoned: I have a marvel yukon on a GA K8NS Pro v2 mobo |
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| 23:02.06 | karsten | stoned: ethtool may or may not tell you additional info / allow you to renegotiate. Try your NICs one at a time. Switch will usually autosense to slowest. |
| 23:02.08 | simonrvn | a whatsit? |
| 23:02.14 | abrotman | is the yukon at 100Mb or not ? |
| 23:02.21 | stoned | it should be |
| 23:02.29 | cafuego | it should be, they're well supported. |
| 23:02.32 | stoned | let me check my ifconfig |
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| 23:02.38 | cafuego | stoned: 'mii-tool' |
| 23:02.41 | cafuego | Not ifconfig |
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| 23:02.55 | stoned | yeh it didn't tell me |
| 23:02.56 | stoned | i just figured |
| 23:02.58 | simonrvn | ifconfig won't tell ou fuck all |
| 23:02.59 | ChrisW_ | how di I save in 'e' mode? |
| 23:03.09 | stoned | well ok damn :) |
| 23:03.11 | simonrvn | enter |
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| 23:03.17 | abrotman | simonrvn: or will actually :) |
| 23:03.17 | karsten | ChrisW_: GRUB? |
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| 23:03.22 | wide_awake | hello |
| 23:03.27 | karsten | ChrisW_: You don't. It's an edit for the current boot session only. |
| 23:03.37 | simonrvn | yeh, but not about that |
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| 23:03.48 | karsten | ChrisW_: You remember what you did and edit /boot/grub/menu.lst afterward. |
| 23:03.48 | wide_awake | How can I verify that there is (or isn't) a problem with CPU cache? |
| 23:03.59 | torrr | what should I do to not auto update a package I have changed? |
| 23:04.05 | cafuego | wide_awake: If there is, you'll be crashing and locking all the time. |
| 23:04.05 | abrotman | wide_awake: regarding what ? |
| 23:04.06 | simonrvn | hold |
| 23:04.07 | ChrisW_ | hurm, didn't work :-S |
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| 23:04.15 | wide_awake | cafuego, getting Machine Check Exceptions |
| 23:04.16 | karsten | wide_awake: Possibly Sig11 errors? |
| 23:04.20 | stoned | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 23:04.22 | karsten | wide_awake: Full error? |
| 23:04.30 | cafuego | wide_awake: lots of them? |
| 23:04.32 | wide_awake | they don't kill the box |
| 23:04.34 | karsten | wide_awake: ... and relevant HW specs. |
| 23:04.35 | wide_awake | right away |
| 23:04.41 | wide_awake | amd64 |
| 23:04.45 | abrotman | hehe .. right away :) |
| 23:04.46 | wide_awake | tyan mobo S2882 |
| 23:05.09 | wide_awake | dual opterons |
| 23:05.52 | stoned | abrotman: what am I looking for while using mii-tool.. i read the manpage |
| 23:05.58 | simonrvn | !tell torrr -about hold |
| 23:06.08 | karsten | wide_awake: cat /proc/cpuinfo or dmidecode for CPU model/spec. |
| 23:06.24 | karsten | wide_awake: Not that I can tell you much from that. Might make a good Google target though. |
| 23:06.26 | stoned | abrotman: I looked at the verbose output, but what I am looking for? |
| 23:06.26 | abrotman | stoned: IIRC .. it will tell you the current settings |
| 23:06.37 | abrotman | stoned: such as 10Mb half-duplex etc |
| 23:06.38 | cafuego | stoned: 100baseTx-FD means 100Mbit, so that side is fine too. |
| 23:06.40 | streuner | hm |
| 23:06.50 | cafuego | stoned: Blame the dell, then. |
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| 23:06.54 | ChrisW_ | okay, got it back... |
| 23:06.56 | stoned | let me try it on that |
| 23:06.58 | stoned | lets see |
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| 23:07.06 | torrr | simmerz, thanks |
| 23:07.18 | ChrisW_ | although it's trying to dhcpdiscover without having a network cable in it |
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| 23:07.41 | simonrvn | things will do that |
| 23:07.54 | wide_awake | karsten, http://paste.debian.net/26441 |
| 23:08.16 | ChrisW_ | yay, I have a bash prompt |
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| 23:08.24 | ChrisW_ | now, why didn't the label thing work? |
| 23:08.26 | simonrvn | woohoo |
| 23:08.37 | simonrvn | partition didn't have one? |
| 23:08.37 | cafuego | Hmmm. |
| 23:08.48 | cafuego | How hard is it to add a drive to a raid5 array? |
| 23:08.50 | ChrisW_ | suer did |
| 23:08.50 | NamelessNine | set realname J.M. Graff |
| 23:08.53 | NamelessNine | oops |
| 23:09.06 | ChrisW_ | urm... okay... I don't appear to have sudo anymore... |
| 23:09.06 | NamelessNine | who |
| 23:09.07 | ChrisW_ | wtf? |
| 23:09.11 | stoned | I feel so much better |
| 23:09.16 | stoned | I deleted all my prawn |
| 23:09.18 | stoned | ahem |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | poor shrimp |
| 23:09.26 | stoned | the dell machien does suck |
| 23:09.26 | Dave2 | I prefer to eat prawn |
| 23:09.35 | NamelessNine | mmm prawn |
| 23:09.37 | simonrvn | how can you delete prawns? you eat them, no? |
| 23:09.38 | ChrisW_ | does sudo not exist if you log in through a real terminal? |
| 23:09.42 | stoned | :D |
| 23:09.46 | karsten | wide_awake: You might look for a bootparam to reduce the size of the cache. I'm not sure you can do that. |
| 23:09.56 | karsten | wide_awake: ... but if you can, you can rule out cache effects in errors. |
| 23:10.17 | karsten | wide_awake: I'd do something stressful like an iterative kernel build and watch for panics. |
| 23:10.33 | karsten | wide_awake: make -j128 or something noxious like that. |
| 23:10.37 | themill | ChrisW_: ls /usr/bin/sudo |
| 23:10.42 | simonrvn | and you forgot a 'ne' on 'machien', it's 'mon chine', ' ma chienne' |
| 23:10.44 | cafuego | karsten: youch |
| 23:10.48 | simonrvn | chien* |
| 23:11.02 | ChrisW_ | themill: it ain't there... |
| 23:11.05 | ChrisW_ | wtf?! |
| 23:11.18 | cafuego | ChrisW_: Not in your path, perhaps? |
| 23:11.25 | themill | ChrisW_: apt-cache policy sudo |
| 23:11.39 | cafuego | ChrisW_: Or are you in the initrd? |
| 23:11.39 | karsten | cafuego: The idea isn't to get a speedy build, it's to beat the shit out of VM and cache. |
| 23:11.44 | torrr | what is aptitude curse interface? |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 23:11.52 | ChrisW_ | installed (none) ?! |
| 23:11.54 | cafuego | karsten: Yes, indeed. |
| 23:12.08 | simonrvn | you run aptitude, and you get aptitude's ncurse interface |
| 23:12.09 | stoned | ok |
| 23:12.13 | simonrvn | *s |
| 23:12.18 | stoned | abrotman: cafuego: the dell machine has Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) |
| 23:12.30 | abrotman | doesn't matter the device .. just the speed |
| 23:12.38 | stoned | also mii-tool tells me its at 100base |
| 23:12.45 | simonrvn | that should be capable of 100 Mb |
| 23:12.46 | Thms | is it preferable to use aptitude instead of apt ? |
| 23:12.49 | stoned | almost same output as on the desktop machine |
| 23:12.53 | cafuego | stoned: well |
| 23:12.53 | wide_awake | what about cpuburn? |
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| 23:13.19 | stoned | abrotman: cafuego: I do know that the version 6 of the WRT54G is a neutered router.. it should do 100mbps right? |
| 23:13.21 | themill | ChrisW_: that's possible. it's priority optional so it doesn't have to be installed on a box |
| 23:13.29 | abrotman | stoned: yes |
| 23:14.07 | derchris`work | hi, I installed debian sarge with debootstrap, but the network module is missing. How can I compile the module. which package do I need to install ? |
| 23:14.08 | stoned | abrotman: I also have another of the same router, but v2 with twice the ram etc. on that router the speed was the same |
| 23:14.08 | abrotman | which network module ? |
| 23:14.08 | stoned | so i guess its not the router |
| 23:14.08 | ChrisW_ | themill: I was using it this afternoon... |
| 23:14.08 | derchris`work | Via Rhine |
| 23:14.08 | Azar | stoned: you use a dell? wow |
| 23:14.10 | stoned | Azar: it was free |
| 23:14.10 | ChrisW_ | somehow it's gotten removed :-/ |
| 23:14.11 | abrotman | derchris`work: that driver is there |
| 23:14.21 | themill | ChrisW_: oh dear. you are in a world of pain |
| 23:14.31 | stoned | Azar: laptop has a broken screen, that why it was free.. i removed windows and put on debian and now i ssh into it |
| 23:14.36 | abrotman | stoned: did you get the mii-tool settings of both ? |
| 23:14.41 | stoned | its 1.8ghz 512 ram and radeon card |
| 23:14.43 | stoned | abrotman: yes |
| 23:14.51 | stoned | abrotman: almost exactly the same output |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | both 100Mb-FD ? |
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| 23:15.12 | stoned | yessir |
| 23:15.15 | ChrisW_ | themill: thankfully I remembered the root password |
| 23:15.19 | derchris`work | how can I see if the kernel I'm using has the network drivers build in ? |
| 23:15.20 | ChrisW_ | aptitude install sudo, I guess? |
| 23:15.23 | Faolchu | I've scoured the net looking to see how to get an Audigy 2 Platinum working in Etch with no luck. Could anyone possibly help? |
| 23:15.30 | abrotman | derchris`work: uname -a |
| 23:15.37 | themill | ChrisW_: that will work.... but is your /usr or /var hosed? |
| 23:15.52 | ChrisW_ | this is an etch upgrade gone awry |
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| 23:16.02 | ChrisW_ | I suspect I tried to switch kerns and it got confused... |
| 23:16.09 | simonrvn | regularly. sometimes you gotta hose it down to clean up ;p |
| 23:16.09 | torrr | do I need to do aptitude update after changing stuff in aptitude |
| 23:16.11 | torrr | ? |
| 23:16.24 | abrotman | derchris`work: i just need to know if it's 2.6 or 2.4 |
| 23:16.32 | ChrisW_ | right, I need to get this box back on a network, before that, I need to sort out this labelling stuff |
| 23:16.39 | karsten | torrr: you need to after changing /etc/apt/sources.list, or as mirrors are updated (eg: every day or so). |
| 23:17.01 | derchris`work | 2.6.8-3 |
| 23:17.06 | themill | ChrisW_: ahhh. You might find that you don't have a /usr hence no /usr/bin if you're having partition problems. |
| 23:17.17 | stoned | abrotman: when I access the laptop through the xp box, samba, it seems to go at about 1mB/s to 1.5mB/s, when going through NFS its about half that |
| 23:17.25 | stoned | I've noticed this |
| 23:17.29 | torrr | karsten, because I tried to "hold" packages so I won't get them for auto updates, but it didn't work, I still get them |
| 23:17.31 | ChrisW_ | themill: nope, I have a /usr |
| 23:17.42 | themill | ChrisW_: with contents ;) |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | derchris`work: modprobe via-rhine |
| 23:17.52 | amphi | heh |
| 23:17.55 | Faolchu | =/ |
| 23:17.59 | ChrisW_ | themill: it has plenty in it |
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| 23:18.16 | Seb | anyone in here tried fglrx 8.36 from experimental ? |
| 23:18.28 | Seb | i get the infamous "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'" |
| 23:18.43 | themill | ChrisW_: so sudo was one of a pile of packages that was removed rather than upgraded in dependency resolution? |
| 23:18.45 | Seb | not sure how to work around that, but before I report a bug i'd like to make sure it's not only me |
| 23:18.55 | Seb | this happens on 2.6.20, BTW |
| 23:18.56 | Faolchu | Help, anyone? |
| 23:18.57 | ChrisW_ | themill:right |
| 23:19.01 | torrr | simonrvn, does doing = on the package should be enough, it doesn't work :( |
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| 23:19.08 | ChrisW_ | stew: any idea why this e2label stuff has gone awry? |
| 23:19.15 | abrotman | stoned: you could try a transfer with netcat |
| 23:19.24 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:19.28 | stew | ChrisW_: what does 'e2labal /dev/hda1' return? |
| 23:19.31 | themill | ChrisW_: then you should be able to get yourself out of the woods without too much coffee :) |
| 23:19.58 | ChrisW_ | well, it's hde1, but it returns / |
| 23:19.58 | Faolchu | Does no one here have experience with Debian Etch and an Audigy soundcard? |
| 23:20.16 | Azar | Faolchu: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://alexandre.touret.free.fr/dotclear/index.php/post/2005/09/20/22-configuration-debian-etch-creative-audigy-2-zs-platinium-pro&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=10&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAudigy%2B2%2BPlatinum%2Bin%2BDebian%2BEtch%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG |
| 23:20.29 | amphi | nice url |
| 23:20.37 | ChrisW_ | yeah, short and snapper |
| 23:20.40 | themill | tinyurl.com is your friend? |
| 23:20.42 | Azar | or if you know french..http://alexandre.touret.free.fr/dotclear/index.php/post/2005/09/20/22-configuration-debian-etch-creative-audigy-2-zs-platinium-pro |
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| 23:20.55 | derchris`work | abrotman: its internet server, so I cant check it that way as the system is not coming up. but I have a rescue system and have currently mounted the drives |
| 23:21.04 | Azar | amphi: that was the translated page of that url |
| 23:21.06 | ChrisW_ | stew: it returns /, I have LABEL=/ for the / mount point in /etc/fsttab |
| 23:21.15 | derchris`work | abrotman: i checked modules.dep and it says |
| 23:21.22 | derchris`work | abrotman: /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko |
| 23:21.24 | amphi | Azar: uhuh |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | derchris`work: you can't check it ? |
| 23:21.49 | ChrisW_ | I also have # kopt=root=LABEL=/ ro in my menu.lst |
| 23:21.58 | Azar | Faolchu: you could use google and search for: Configuration Debian etch & Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinium Pro ... |
| 23:22.07 | Azar | then click on "translate" |
| 23:22.08 | derchris`work | abrotman: I can only boot to a rescue system, and then mount the drives and do a chroot |
| 23:22.17 | ChrisW_ | so, what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:22.22 | derchris`work | abrotman: no remote console |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | derchris`work: why doesn't it boot nomrally ? |
| 23:23.06 | torrr | simonrvn, this hold didn't work, I am still suggested to update it |
| 23:23.06 | stew | ChrisW_: what does "grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst" return? |
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| 23:23.39 | ChrisW_ | # kopt=root=LABEL=/ ro |
| 23:23.58 | derchris`work | abrotman: no, it is a hosted server. in order to install debian I had to boot the server into a rescue system |
| 23:24.20 | derchris`work | abrotman: after install, I booted normal, but the system is not coming up |
| 23:24.25 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:24.41 | abrotman | it's not coming up .. or the network card isn't working ? |
| 23:24.45 | abrotman | oryou can't tell ? |
| 23:24.46 | stew | ChrisW_: and you ran update-grub before rebooting? |
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| 23:25.09 | themill | ChrisW_/stew: is that line commented out? should it be? |
| 23:25.24 | stew | themill: no, yes |
| 23:25.29 | ChrisW_ | stew: yep, I did |
| 23:25.44 | stew | ugh, does 2.4 not support root=LABEL? |
| 23:25.46 | derchris`work | abrotman: thats the problem. I THINK it might be the network support |
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| 23:26.09 | derchris`work | abrotman: so I wanted to check if the rhine module is in the kernel |
| 23:26.11 | ChrisW_ | stew: I dunno, does anyone here know? |
| 23:26.25 | themill | ste: yes, think so from 2.4.18ish |
| 23:26.25 | abrotman | derchris`work: it is .. you can check to see if it's supported |
| 23:26.34 | abrotman | derchris`work: why are you using sarge and not etch ? |
| 23:26.57 | derchris`work | abrotman: I tried it with etch, same problem. |
| 23:27.19 | abrotman | derchris`work: lspci .. note the busID .. then lspci -n .. tell us what it is |
| 23:27.30 | derchris`work | abrotman: on both I had the same last entry in syslog |
| 23:27.57 | derchris`work | abrotman:debian kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 23:28.29 | Azar | uh? |
| 23:28.29 | themill | stew: sorry... to clarify: 2.4 supported root=LABEL from at least 2.4.19 that I can find. |
| 23:28.29 | Azar | some kernel there |
| 23:28.31 | ChrisW_ | damn, then why's it not working |
| 23:28.44 | ChrisW_ | I just ran update-grub about 3 times, rebooted, same problem... |
| 23:28.44 | stew | ChrisW_: well here's id do, duplicate the #kopt line, and make the new one #kopt_2_6 ; make the #kopt have root=/dev/hda1 and the #kopt_2_6 have root=LABEL=/ ; then update-grub, it will put different root= lines on different kernel versions |
| 23:29.23 | Azar | ookk servers going down? |
| 23:29.32 | ChrisW_ | hurm, but what if it's not working for some other reason? |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | derchris`work: you can blacklist that |
| 23:29.53 | Azar | I got a BIG lag |
| 23:30.02 | stew | ChrisW_: then you'll have your 2.4 kernel to fall back on |
| 23:30.02 | derchris`work | abrotman: VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74). it is not the problem about what it is. more to find out if kernel is loading it |
| 23:30.19 | ChrisW_ | stew: but how do I pick kernels when the machine is running headless? |
| 23:30.23 | abrotman | you'd have to make a log file to see what modules are loaded |
| 23:31.01 | derchris`work | how do I do that? |
| 23:31.02 | NamelessNine | does anyone else have a problem getting debian to recognize SATA drives? |
| 23:31.13 | cureless | NamelessNine: no |
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| 23:31.29 | cureless | NamelessNine: what is your exact problem? |
| 23:31.36 | abrotman | derchris`work: or check dmesg.0 .. see what's going on |
| 23:31.37 | stew | ChrisW_: with grub-reboot or by setting default=saved and a fallback kernel and using grub-set-default |
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| 23:32.14 | ChrisW_ | stew: can you explain a little more about that> |
| 23:32.16 | ChrisW_ | ? |
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| 23:32.23 | themill | ChrisW_: happy hunting (time for me to go) |
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| 23:32.44 | ChrisW_ | thanks! |
| 23:33.02 | Azar | NamelessNine: the latest Debian stable (Etch 4.0) is doing good with SATA |
| 23:33.14 | stew | !grub fallback is grub has a mechanism for setting up fallback kernels in case the default kernel doesn't boot for some reason, read about it here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html |
| 23:33.14 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 23:33.15 | NamelessNine | Azar: thank you |
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| 23:33.18 | derchris`work | abrotman: i checked dmesg, nothing about via rhine |
| 23:33.19 | Saar | hello, what command will show me if a specific package has been installed on the system? |
| 23:33.27 | stoned | has anyone tried grub2 yet? |
| 23:33.28 | Saar | say apache2 |
| 23:33.34 | abrotman | derchris`work: dmesg.0 .. on the host system .. not the rescue |
| 23:33.34 | NamelessNine | Azar: how long ago was that released? |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | derchris`work: it's in /var/log |
| 23:33.42 | stew | Saar: apt-cache policy apache2 |
| 23:33.44 | Azar | NamelessNine: April 8 2007 |
| 23:33.48 | stoned | I was given an option for grub 2 during my last install, but i didn't chose it |
| 23:33.50 | Saar | ok thanks stew :) |
| 23:34.03 | derchris`work | yes, I checked the host, there is only a dmesg, no dmesg.0 |
| 23:34.07 | NamelessNine | Azar: awesome... i'm off to dl :) |
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| 23:34.25 | abrotman | derchris`work: grep eth <hostsystem>/dmesg |
| 23:35.19 | stoned | I've seen the pictures of grub2 online and it looks good.. but what could one do with scripting? |
| 23:35.20 | torrr | I did a hold on a package, why am I still being suggested to upgrade it? |
| 23:35.36 | stoned | how would one use grub2? like what kinda scripting would/could be done in it? to do what? |
| 23:35.40 | abrotman | http://code.google.com/soc/debian/appinfo.html?csaid=46454031B77ABCBA .. wtf |
| 23:36.23 | derchris`work | abrotman: grep eth debian/dmesg ? |
| 23:36.36 | jelly-home | stoned: hm, I don't remember seeing it in etch installer, is this newer? |
| 23:36.37 | abrotman | derchris`work: it's actually in /var/log/ on the host box |
| 23:36.40 | stoned | abrotman: that sounds like a 'good' idea? |
| 23:36.43 | abrotman | no |
| 23:36.58 | derchris`work | abrotman: no eth in dmesg |
| 23:37.01 | stoned | jelly-home: well yes.. it was infact the etch installer that presented me the choice.. I always do expert install |
| 23:37.09 | stoned | jelly-home: maybe it doesn't prompt in the regular install? |
| 23:37.13 | stoned | I don't know |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | derchris`work: did you get the lspci -n numbers ? |
| 23:37.35 | jelly-home | !info grub2 etch |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | mine looks like 02:00.0 0200: 14e4:170d (rev 01) |
| 23:37.54 | stoned | jelly-home: I used the etch netnboot installer |
| 23:37.59 | stoned | netboot* |
| 23:38.02 | stoned | for i286 |
| 23:38.06 | derchris`work | abrotman: 0000:00:12.0 0200: 1106:3065 (rev 74) |
| 23:38.06 | stoned | 386 damn |
| 23:38.19 | jelly-home | stoned: aye, but there's no package in etch, only in testing or unstable |
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| 23:38.37 | stoned | strange |
| 23:38.45 | abrotman | via-rhine 0x00001106 0x00003065 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 23:38.53 | abrotman | that card should work fine with etch |
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| 23:39.32 | ChrisW_ | what exactly does update-grub do? |
| 23:39.43 | stoned | i think it updates menu.lst? |
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| 23:40.08 | Azar | abrotman: I use via-rhine on my old box and it worked ok through all woody-sarge-etch |
| 23:40.29 | derchris`work | with standard debian kernel ? |
| 23:40.31 | alien_ | i need some help...just finished install vsftpd.. everything is great. .i upload a picture to public_html ... then i point my browser to http://hostanme/~username/1.jpg and it tells me its forbiden.. no permision to view |
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| 23:40.40 | stoned | ChrisW_: it looks into /boot and and i think it looks for vmlinux* |
| 23:40.42 | abrotman | derchris`work: i suspect something else is going wrong |
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| 23:40.56 | stoned | ChrisW_: then it generates menu.lst based on the kernels it finds |
| 23:41.01 | Azar | derchris`work: with all kernels I had: from 2.4.18 way up to 2.6.18 |
| 23:41.02 | alien_ | do i really have to CHMOD my hoem dir and public_html everytime an account gets made or whats the probleM/ |
| 23:41.12 | karsten | alien_: No. |
| 23:41.27 | alien_ | karsten: i thought so, what is the problem then, why is it forbiding me to view or anyone else |
| 23:41.34 | stoned | jelly-home: well I used the debian etch netboot images, and started expert install, and at the end it presented me with a choice of either grub or grub2 |
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| 23:41.39 | ChrisW_ | okay, so I can add my own section after the end of the auto block? |
| 23:41.44 | stoned | jelly-home: and right now im running etch on this particular machine |
| 23:41.53 | derchris`work | abrotman: i think so too, as I have a module in /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.ko |
| 23:41.55 | karsten | alien_: There's a place to specify prefs for new user creation. /etc/defaults/useradd doesn't appear to be it. |
| 23:41.56 | stoned | jelly-home: why the package isn't in etch, i've no clue |
| 23:42.02 | alien_ | karsten: http://71.32.252.229/~alien/mini.jpg |
| 23:42.04 | stoned | !search grub2 |
| 23:42.08 | jelly-home | stoned: I'd use grub, it works |
| 23:42.09 | stew | alien_: how are you creating accounts? |
| 23:42.15 | alien_ | useradd |
| 23:42.18 | stoned | jelly-home: i am.. but i was wondering |
| 23:42.26 | derchris`work | abrotman: but /etc/modules is empty |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | shouldn't matter |
| 23:42.31 | stoned | jelly-home: according to grub2 wiki, its supposed to be much more 'better' |
| 23:42.34 | stew | alien_: use adduser |
| 23:42.35 | alien_ | and this particualr user is in the sudoers list |
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| 23:42.38 | abrotman | can you get the dmesg form the host and post it on a pastebin ? |
| 23:42.46 | karsten | alien_: No perms |
| 23:42.48 | alien_ | stew: what is the differance?? useradd adduser?? .. grr |
| 23:42.53 | derchris`work | sure |
| 23:42.53 | alien_ | oh |
| 23:42.55 | Azar | haha |
| 23:42.56 | jelly-home | stoned: I'll wait for the release. :-) |
| 23:43.00 | alien_ | awit |
| 23:43.02 | alien_ | i did adduser |
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| 23:43.03 | alien_ | my bad |
| 23:43.09 | stoned | but now im friggin curious man |
| 23:43.25 | stoned | why did the etch install prompt me with a chocie of grub/grub2 when the package is only in testing/unstable |
| 23:43.35 | stoned | isn't that strange? |
| 23:43.36 | alien_ | ok i did u se adduser |
| 23:43.38 | alien_ | nto useradd im sorry |
| 23:43.46 | alien_ | i always use adduser |
| 23:43.57 | alien_ | the nit asks u for phne number of the person.. and bunch of non sense |
| 23:44.03 | Azar | stoned: because you might be on the "testers" list? |
| 23:44.05 | karsten | alien_: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 23:44.25 | alien_ | ok |
| 23:44.26 | ChrisW_ | how do I get update-grub to put "savedefault fallback" instead of "savedefault"? |
| 23:44.49 | stew | alien_: who owns the home directory after running adduser? |
| 23:45.13 | karsten | alien_: I believe that may be managed by debconf, 'dpkg-reconfigure $( dpkg -S /usr/sbin/adduser )' may do something. |
| 23:45.17 | derchris`work | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/456730 |
| 23:45.26 | karsten | package is also adduser |
| 23:45.27 | alien_ | well |
| 23:45.33 | stew | uhh dpkg -S doens't return just packagenames |
| 23:45.33 | alien_ | adduser.conf is chomding to 0755 |
| 23:45.38 | alien_ | any userdir created.. so |
| 23:45.43 | alien_ | i just checkd adduser.conf |
| 23:45.53 | alien_ | stew: .. mm what do you mean who owns? |
| 23:45.57 | alien_ | the person i created who else |
| 23:45.59 | alien_ | and the root |
| 23:46.15 | abrotman | derchris`work: that's where it stops ? |
| 23:46.22 | stoned | debian packages only use xpm menu icons? |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | and png IIRC |
| 23:46.48 | derchris`work | abrotman: nothing more is written to dmesg |
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| 23:46.58 | alien_ | so my homedir for users are chmoded to 755 |
| 23:47.02 | alien_ | mm ahh u know what though |
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| 23:47.13 | alien_ | i did 'mkdir public_html' |
| 23:47.20 | alien_ | im guessing the public_html is not 0755? |
| 23:47.29 | alien_ | and thats where i uplaod my files |
| 23:47.38 | alien_ | inorder to browse them via browser ..windows.. etc |
| 23:47.46 | karsten | alien_: chmod 0755 public_html |
| 23:47.54 | abrotman | derchris`work: it's stops at the keyboard ? |
| 23:47.56 | karsten | alien_: ... and chmod 644 any files within same. |
| 23:48.06 | jelly-home | alien_: why not add an empty public_html into /etc/skel template dir? |
| 23:48.21 | karsten | alien_: chmod -R +r public_html/ |
| 23:48.21 | alien_ | mm that would be a good idea |
| 23:48.24 | alien_ | jelly |
| 23:48.25 | karsten | alien_: ... should do the trick. |
| 23:48.41 | alien_ | karsten: what does that do |
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| 23:48.45 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 23:48.57 | ChrisW_ | stew: since you suggested grub fallback, any ideas? |
| 23:49.00 | alien_ | jelly-home: will that publi_html be chomoded to 755 automaticly? |
| 23:49.07 | alien_ | if i added public_html to /etc/skel |
| 23:49.08 | jelly-home | alien_: never tried it |
| 23:49.09 | alien_ | i lie kthat ide |
| 23:49.10 | alien_ | idea |
| 23:49.14 | alien_ | mm ok i try =) |
| 23:49.16 | derchris`work | abrotman: now I see it. I will try to reboot the server, so that I have a fresh logfile |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:49.58 | derchris`work | abrotman: is there anything I could turn on now, so that I have more infos/debug messages ? |
| 23:50.05 | alien_ | ok made.. ill go create a user with adduser and test it... |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | derchris`work: not that i'm aware of .. but i don't know all the kernel param tricks |
| 23:50.38 | ChrisW_ | Azar: how come? |
| 23:50.49 | derchris`work | ok, then I will just reboot |
| 23:50.50 | Azar | well, he has a life too.. |
| 23:51.34 | karsten | Is there a known bug / fix for rdesktop where windows redrawn after being (partially) obscured by another window have a slant to the lower left? |
| 23:51.48 | ChrisW_ | heresy... |
| 23:52.03 | alien_ | amm |
| 23:52.03 | karsten | Forcing a window redraw (eg: shading/unshading the window) fixes, but it's annoying. |
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| 23:52.10 | alien_ | can someoen tell me how i can see chmod for a particular dir |
| 23:52.18 | karsten | alien_: man chmod |
| 23:52.18 | abrotman | you mean see the perms ? |
| 23:52.23 | alien_ | kl |
| 23:52.32 | karsten | alien_: and/or try some stuff on a test directory. |
| 23:53.22 | alien_ | ok |
| 23:53.31 | alien_ | well hwo do i check what a dir is chnmoded to already? |
| 23:53.38 | alien_ | liek stats of a dir or file |
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| 23:53.46 | karsten | alien_: Reading manpages and trying shit out are two of the best ways of learning stuff. |
| 23:53.49 | karsten | alien_: man ls |
| 23:53.53 | streuner | alien_: man ls (option ld) |
| 23:53.55 | alien_ | k |
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