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| 00:01.54 | alien_ | i mnot finding anything in man ls to list chmod :( |
| 00:02.07 | jetscreamer | ls -lA |
| 00:02.35 | alien_ | i kept doing ls -l |
| 00:02.39 | jetscreamer | i wasn't supposed to tell was i |
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| 00:03.24 | alien_ | hehe no |
| 00:03.26 | dondelelcaro | uh... ls -l shows the permissions too... |
| 00:03.28 | alien_ | but i guess i did that already |
| 00:03.31 | alien_ | ls -l |
| 00:03.33 | alien_ | did work.. mm then |
| 00:03.35 | alien_ | its 0 |
| 00:03.48 | alien_ | after adding public_html to /etc/skel and creating an ne wuser |
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| 00:04.01 | jetscreamer | i just do what works then never change |
| 00:04.03 | alien_ | adduser does create public_html in the home dir.. but not chmoded to 0755 automaticaly |
| 00:04.09 | ChrisW_ | howcome grub-set-default doesn't exist anywhere? |
| 00:04.18 | dondelelcaro | alien_: because it's not 0755 in /etc/skel |
| 00:04.53 | alien_ | oh |
| 00:05.00 | alien_ | dondelelcaro: ill give it a shot |
| 00:05.01 | ChrisW_ | *sigh* |
| 00:05.07 | ChrisW_ | I need to head to bed... |
| 00:05.16 | dondelelcaro | !+find usr/sbin/grub-set-default |
| 00:05.18 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:05.24 | jetscreamer | what is grub-set-default |
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| 00:05.29 | jetscreamer | just edit menu.lst |
| 00:05.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/sbin/grub-set-default' (1): (/usr/sbin/grub-set-default) in admin/grub. |
| 00:05.44 | jetscreamer | not in your path probably |
| 00:05.44 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: the point of it is that you can do automatic fallback |
| 00:05.58 | ChrisW_ | jetscreamer: grub-set-default does something different |
| 00:05.58 | jetscreamer | there is already automatic fallback? |
| 00:06.00 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: so if kernel 1 fails, you can fall back to kernel 2. |
| 00:06.19 | ChrisW_ | you're thinking of update-grub |
| 00:06.21 | alien_ | thats weird.. chemoded publi_html to 755 then did ls -l to see.. it still shows Total 0 |
| 00:06.34 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: yes, but without grub-set-default you can't reset it when you have booted succesfully |
| 00:06.38 | jetscreamer | do ls -ld |
| 00:06.40 | alien_ | 'sudo chmod 755 /etc/skel/public_html' .. ls -l still shows total 0 |
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| 00:07.14 | jelly-home | alien_: what did you expect it would show? |
| 00:07.16 | alien_ | im chmoding wrong |
| 00:07.21 | jetscreamer | in the toplevel dir or supply the path |
| 00:07.22 | alien_ | ..what chmod is |
| 00:07.24 | alien_ | 755 |
| 00:07.29 | jetscreamer | no you're ls'ing the dir contents |
| 00:07.31 | jelly-home | alien_: try ls -ld |
| 00:07.46 | jetscreamer | ls -ld /etc/skel/pubwhatever |
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| 00:08.16 | jetscreamer | or ls -l /etc/skel |
| 00:09.00 | alien_ | ls -l is not doin it |
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| 00:09.12 | alien_ | it shouws 0 even thout i chmoded it |
| 00:09.17 | alien_ | mm ls -ld shows this |
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| 00:09.19 | alien_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 alien alien 4096 2007-04-24 17:07 kokice |
| 00:09.40 | alien_ | do i have to convert drwxr-xr-x into a number nwo to know? |
| 00:09.43 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 00:09.50 | jetscreamer | well no you can just tell |
| 00:09.52 | jelly-home | that is 0755. |
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| 00:10.06 | alien_ | how the hell do u tell? |
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| 00:10.16 | alien_ | there is no way |
| 00:10.18 | alien_ | that is 0755 |
| 00:10.20 | jetscreamer | anybody can read it or ls the dir contents |
| 00:10.21 | dondelelcaro | alien_: 0755 means rwxr-xr-x |
| 00:10.23 | alien_ | that last one i psoted |
| 00:10.30 | jelly-home | alien_: each letter corresponds to a bit value |
| 00:10.32 | jetscreamer | and cd to the dir |
| 00:10.39 | jetscreamer | but only the user can write |
| 00:10.47 | alien_ | ok |
| 00:11.00 | jetscreamer | rwx r x r x |
| 00:11.06 | jetscreamer | user group anybody |
| 00:11.11 | jelly-home | alien_: r=4 w=2 x=1 , add them together to get an octal value |
| 00:11.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell alien_ -about permissions |
| 00:11.34 | baxter_kylie | Hi. Is there some special trick to adding ethernet devices to an existing installation? I've modprobe'd the drivers and the devices are recognized without error. They also appear in ifconfig -a but if I try to ifup/down them I get 'ignoring unknown interface eth[#]=eth[#] |
| 00:11.38 | alien_ | alrite |
| 00:11.49 | alien_ | ..ill read some stuf.. im totaly lost now |
| 00:11.58 | alien_ | haha =) |
| 00:12.04 | jetscreamer | what is the A in ntfs perms |
| 00:12.08 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:12.14 | jetscreamer | they have letters |
| 00:12.16 | jelly-home | archive flag |
| 00:12.35 | jelly-home | ... if it's the same as in DOS |
| 00:12.55 | jetscreamer | in the recovery console doing dir is just like ls -lA , except instead or rwxrwxrwx it's like weird |
| 00:13.16 | jetscreamer | but looks exactly the same |
| 00:13.25 | jelly-home | --> #windows ? |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | remember when you used to be able to say "I'm using Linux and I don't have an app that can open that file" .. those were the good old days ... |
| 00:13.36 | jetscreamer | more like #posix is what i'm thinking |
| 00:14.15 | zenit | Anyone been able to solve an issue where dmesg shows: "rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz". This message is then repeated thousands of times when a program that depends on rtc for timing runs. |
| 00:14.54 | jetscreamer | make that ##posix |
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| 00:15.52 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 00:16.14 | jetscreamer | zenit: no idea, but do you get it if you change to the other rtc module? there is rtc and genrtc , iirc... |
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| 00:16.36 | jetscreamer | of course udev/hotplug loads one on boot |
| 00:17.06 | jetscreamer | it used to be genrtc by default, but lately it's been the high perf one (iirc it's the hipreformance one) |
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| 00:18.03 | jelly-home | screen has a funny argument parser. screen -wip is parsed like single letter arguments, but screen -wipanything is understood as "screen -wipe" |
| 00:18.15 | zenit | jetscreamer: interesting, I'll give it a try. |
| 00:18.19 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.56 | jetscreamer | you would probably have to blacklist the one that's getting autoloaded, to try it |
| 00:19.08 | jetscreamer | not sure g'luck |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 00:19.21 | dvs | where? |
| 00:19.25 | zenit | Ok, so I just can't unload the rtc and modprobe genrtc? A reboot is needed? |
| 00:19.28 | jetscreamer | on my land |
| 00:19.30 | jelly-home | in the field |
| 00:19.44 | jetscreamer | zenbum: you can try, but i don't think it will unload |
| 00:19.52 | jetscreamer | zenit: ^^ |
| 00:20.11 | zenit | seems to unload properly. But anyway, thanks for the suggestion. Let's see how it goes :) |
| 00:20.24 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 00:20.38 | jelly-home | what was the proper way to blacklist ipv6 again? |
| 00:20.48 | jetscreamer | take support out of the kernel? |
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| 00:21.00 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: distro kernel |
| 00:21.05 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 00:21.25 | shahramuae | fserve |
| 00:21.33 | jetscreamer | _HPET_RTC_IRQ is not set |
| 00:21.35 | baxter_kylie | Can anyone tell me what the debian equivalent of gentoo's baselayout is? I need to add aliases, it seems, for my ethernet adapters. |
| 00:21.44 | jetscreamer | maybe that's the hiperf |
| 00:22.05 | jelly-home | baxter_kylie: what does "gentoo's baselayout" do? |
| 00:22.29 | jetscreamer | /etc/modprobe.d/alias i think is what you want |
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| 00:22.33 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: you're probably looking for /etc/network/interfaces, but I'm not entirely sure. |
| 00:22.38 | jelly-home | baxter_kylie: or better yet, what is your real problem? |
| 00:22.39 | jetscreamer | err aliases |
| 00:22.47 | jetscreamer | he already said |
| 00:22.48 | dondelelcaro | (and there's really no need to use modprobe aliases anymore) |
| 00:22.49 | jetscreamer | i belive |
| 00:23.06 | jetscreamer | i think he wants /etc/udev/udev.rules though |
| 00:23.30 | jetscreamer | something about he can't get his second nic to work |
| 00:23.35 | jetscreamer | nic card i mean... :) |
| 00:23.54 | dondelelcaro | well, aliases and udev rules won't help with that |
| 00:23.54 | baxter_kylie | jelly-home: added new ethernet adapter. modprobed the driver. Alls well, sorta. The interfaces show up and are recognized. They even appear in ifconfig -a but I can't modprobe them. I'm getting some 'unknown interface' error. |
| 00:24.01 | jetscreamer | a nic card built on nt technology |
| 00:24.04 | jelly-home | aye, then what dondelelcaro said |
| 00:24.05 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: you don't modprobe the nic |
| 00:24.18 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro: No. You modprobe the e1000 driver. |
| 00:24.19 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: if the interface shows up, then it's working. Configure it using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:24.33 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro: It is configured. |
| 00:24.40 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: then what's the problem? |
| 00:24.43 | dvs | baxter_kylie: if it appears in ifconfig -a, the kernel module is already loaded |
| 00:25.04 | ubd | hi i am having a disk problem. i somehow lost the partition table of my hdd. after that i rescued 2 of them by using testdisk. i have a 250gb ext3 and 10 gb of ntfs. i reinstalled linux on the begining of disk. and i am able to boot windows from grub atm. linux didnt recognize the rescued ext3 (testdisk is able to show the files in it, so i believe it is healty). how can i mount it or what should i do? |
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| 00:25.40 | dondelelcaro | ubd: try booting off of rescue media and mounting the device there and copying off whatever you need. |
| 00:25.40 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro & dvs: $ ifup eth3 --> Ignoring unknown interface eth3=eth3 |
| 00:25.54 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: that's because you don't have an eth3 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:25.57 | zenit | jetscreamer: oh well, the utility really wanted enhanced rtc and not genrtc :( |
| 00:26.16 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: and one that does whatever you want it to do and all will be right with the world. |
| 00:26.18 | jetscreamer | zenit: and the enhanced is what was already loaded |
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| 00:26.46 | Ancientz | hi can somebody help me set up a dualboot fedora+windowsxp system? |
| 00:26.48 | zenit | jetscreamer: yes |
| 00:26.52 | ubd | dondelelcaro: i dont have a rescue media that i can copy 200+gb |
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| 00:27.15 | jetscreamer | zenit: i 'think' i remember something about 1024, rtc, and echoing something into something somewhere under /proc ... not very helpful... |
| 00:27.20 | jetscreamer | !listkeys rtc |
| 00:27.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtc' by key (8): smartctl ;; _default rtc ;; lartc ;; rtcw ;; /etc/rtc ;; rtc ;; #debian lartc ;; _default lartc. |
| 00:27.30 | zenit | jetscreamer: yeah, I tried it. |
| 00:27.30 | dondelelcaro | ubd: well, if you can mount it, and everything appears to be ok, then the filesystem is good. |
| 00:27.34 | zenit | didn't work |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | ubd: what is the error you're message you're getting when you try to boot? |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | derchris`work: did you fall off of your chair ? |
| 00:28.12 | ubd | it is not a boot partition. i reinstalled linux on another partition |
| 00:28.14 | zenit | I suspect this is either an irq issue, or maybe combined with acpi. Not sure though. Tried different boot options but the same happened. |
| 00:28.21 | ubd | let me mount it |
| 00:28.24 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro: Hmm.... Stanza's look okay to me. Admittedly I'm a bit weirded out by the fact that I disabled (in bios) the first three adapters ... I somewhat expected these new ones to remap as eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:28.47 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: udev keeps the adapters from being renamed from now on |
| 00:28.57 | derchris`work | abrotman: no, but the rescue system is not coming up again :(. I have to open a ticket to get it back. had the problem several times already. it sucks, really |
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| 00:29.16 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: if you want to change them to be eth0 and eth1, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net.rules |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | derchris`work: you installed via debootstrap ? |
| 00:29.23 | dondelelcaro | s/25-/25_ |
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| 00:29.31 | abrotman | derchris`work: what OS is on there right now ? |
| 00:29.48 | derchris`work | both are debian |
| 00:29.53 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro: Aha. Yes. So many differences between distributions it's oddish. |
| 00:30.05 | derchris`work | so the rescue is a debian mini, booted over network |
| 00:30.09 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: the problem with the stanza is that there is no eth3 one. You have iface eth0 blah blah blah, and possibly iface eth1 blah blah blah; and then no eth3 iface. |
| 00:30.19 | dondelelcaro | baxter_kylie: well, that's actually a pretty standard feature of udev nowadays |
| 00:30.32 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're moving from machine to machine, you won't notice it) |
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| 00:31.02 | derchris`work | abrotman: yes, debootstrap |
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| 00:31.08 | ubd | heres the error :mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, missing codepage or other error// dmesg | tail -> EXT3-fs: hda1: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (80008000). |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | derchris`work: what kind of hardware is this ? |
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| 00:31.49 | ubd | fdisk output :/dev/hda1 1182 34137 264719038+ 83 Linux |
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| 00:32.31 | jelly-home | ubd: is that partition larger than 2TB? |
| 00:32.41 | baxter_kylie | dondelelcaro: Okay. There it is. I was hasty changing device numbers. I got the auto statment and all of the sysctl statements changed but just didn't see the iface statement... sort of the only one that really mattered. My bad. |
| 00:32.42 | ubd | no it is 250-260 gb |
| 00:32.57 | jelly-home | ubd: oh, nm then |
| 00:33.28 | ubd | ahoy #debian what do you suggest |
| 00:33.54 | jetscreamer | nuke it from orbit |
| 00:34.12 | dvs | fsck it! |
| 00:34.46 | ubd | what if fsck fscks the disk? |
| 00:34.47 | dondelelcaro | ubd: yeah, you need to fsck the drive |
| 00:34.47 | baxter_kylie | Okay, last question, where in debian are kernel module options set if I want to pass the module additional parameters? |
| 00:34.56 | dondelelcaro | ubd: get your rescue media out, and run fsck on it |
| 00:34.58 | dvs | ubd: then you're fscked |
| 00:35.42 | PingFloyd | if fsck fscks the disk you were fscked to begin with. |
| 00:35.49 | ubd | i dont have a rescue media dondelelcaro. im running on same disk. |
| 00:36.11 | dondelelcaro | ubd: do you have a cdrom? |
| 00:36.13 | dvs | PingFloyd: dude, that's fscked. ;-) |
| 00:36.22 | ubd | yes i do have dondelelcaro |
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| 00:36.29 | dondelelcaro | ubd: then you have rescue media |
| 00:36.53 | jelly-home | baxter_kylie: anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d/ (fwiw, I usually create a file named "local"), run update-modules after changing if you're not on etch yet |
| 00:37.01 | ubd | i feel relieved :D |
| 00:37.06 | PingFloyd | ubd: or use tune2fs to set the mount count to match maximal mount count and reboot |
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| 00:37.33 | baxter_kylie | jelly-home: I am on etch. Does this change things? |
| 00:37.34 | ubd | how do i do that PingFloyd? commandline pls? |
| 00:37.47 | dvs | baxter_kylie: you won't have to run update-modules |
| 00:37.47 | grib | anybody know of a working quick+dirty hack for getting fglrx-driver working with debian unstable? The BTS entries point to some likely ideas, but nothing I can get to work |
| 00:37.49 | jelly-home | baxter_kylie: just means that command is not needed any more |
| 00:38.05 | PingFloyd | ubd: man tune2fs |
| 00:38.06 | derchris`work | abrotman: it is an AMD Sempron(tm) 2300+, 2 GB RAM, 80 GB HDD |
| 00:38.28 | baxter_kylie | jelly-home: gratz |
| 00:38.39 | jetscreamer | grib: stoned got it to work, if you can't find out till he shows up, poke him then |
| 00:38.54 | ubd | tune2fs: bad mounts count - /dev/hda1 |
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| 00:39.16 | jetscreamer | stoned: help grib |
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| 00:41.27 | stoned | hi |
| 00:41.27 | stoned | what did I do? |
| 00:41.27 | dvs | stoned: help grib |
| 00:41.27 | stoned | I dun nothin |
| 00:41.27 | stoned | grib? |
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| 00:41.27 | stoned | oh some dude name grib |
| 00:41.27 | stoned | ok |
| 00:41.27 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:41.36 | stoned | grib: what version of xorg do you have? in sid right now it is > 7.1 |
| 00:42.14 | stoned | grib: try to add a deb mirror for etch and then try apt-get -t stable xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:42.26 | stoned | fglrx wont' work with xorg > 7.1 |
| 00:42.44 | grib | stoned: hi, so just that one pkg to downgrade? |
| 00:42.49 | stoned | grib: basically you need to downgrade xorg-core |
| 00:42.50 | stoned | yes |
| 00:42.59 | grib | k, thx |
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| 00:43.08 | PingFloyd | or use -F option with shutdown |
| 00:43.27 | stoned | grib: then aptitude | /xserver-xorg-core | = | q | left arrow key | enter |
| 00:43.28 | stoned | :) |
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| 00:43.36 | stoned | hold it so it doesn't get upgraded next time you do something |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | gravity: RUN! |
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| 00:43.58 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:45.05 | dvs | gravity too |
| 00:45.21 | Xires | shit storm approaching, signing off |
| 00:45.37 | stoned | is there a cli command to hold a package, ie, without going into aptitude and stuff |
| 00:45.40 | gravity | Should I not have come back? |
| 00:45.42 | stoned | I can't find one in the manpage |
| 00:45.59 | dvs | gravity: people are just razzing on the current breakage of X in sid |
| 00:46.01 | streuner | heh |
| 00:46.09 | streuner | omg |
| 00:46.11 | gravity | Oh, for nvidia and fglrx? |
| 00:46.16 | dvs | fglrx |
| 00:46.16 | abrotman | !hold |
| 00:46.17 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 00:46.18 | stoned | yessir |
| 00:46.19 | gravity | I almost care |
| 00:46.24 | dvs | hahahahahahahaha |
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| 00:46.32 | stoned | gravity: you should :) |
| 00:46.35 | abrotman | gravity: if we give you beer .. will you care ? |
| 00:46.40 | stoned | maybe just a tad bit |
| 00:46.48 | stoned | if beer don't work, i'll smoke you out |
| 00:46.49 | stoned | :D |
| 00:46.54 | dvs | doh! |
| 00:47.00 | gravity | abrotman: Sure, but I still can't do anything about it |
| 00:47.04 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:47.05 | gravity | Talk to nvidia and ati |
| 00:47.24 | gravity | Oh, that reminds me |
| 00:47.34 | gravity | Hot shit: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/ReleaseNotes |
| 00:47.42 | streuner | dvs: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 00:47.42 | gravity | I need to blog about that |
| 00:47.56 | gravity | For things we don't know about until after the upload |
| 00:48.09 | streuner | dvs: and read the whole stuff again |
| 00:48.13 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - is there a command line option for Grub to boot but NOT load any init.d scripts ? "single" boots but also loads the init scripts. |
| 00:48.39 | dvs | streuner: read the whole stuff for what? gravity's link? |
| 00:48.52 | streuner | dvs: no, what unstable is... |
| 00:48.56 | gravity | My link is brand new |
| 00:49.06 | gravity | The XSF just created it like yesterday |
| 00:49.29 | gravity | We'll keep updating it for new uploads and things |
| 00:49.34 | streuner | if you going to use unstable you should know, there is a reason why its called so |
| 00:49.36 | gravity | So please use it! |
| 00:50.05 | dvs | streuner: and that's precisely why I DONT use unstable. |
| 00:50.21 | Azar | gravity, thank you! :) |
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| 00:50.56 | dvs | streuner: I could probably get out of most of the problems that sid could cause but I just want my system to work. |
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| 00:52.16 | abrotman | keith80403: init=/bin/sh ? |
| 00:53.28 | keith80403 | abrotman, Brilliant idea. Ran alsa-conf, it's spewing all sorts of messages to the console, can't get it shut down )-: Thanks. |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | keith80403: huh ? |
| 00:54.05 | abrotman | keith80403: the sound card ? |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | keith80403: kill it from another terminal |
| 00:55.04 | jetscreamer | gravity: you mean this, the second post? http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 00:55.12 | keith80403 | abrotman, Correct. But, all ptys are full of continuous messages from alsa-conf - can't see what the heck I'm doing (-: |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | keith80403: ssh ? |
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| 00:55.30 | jetscreamer | gravity: when you say talk to ati and nvidia |
| 00:55.46 | gravity | jetscreamer: Sorta. The page refers to that post by Aaron, yeah |
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| 00:57.14 | nsx | why does the netinstall cd tell me it can't detect my network hardware, when it's clearly there? |
| 00:57.17 | keith80403 | abrotman, init=/bin/sh worked, now to ferret out the script that's starting alsa-conf. The machine is a stand-alone "test" machine, no network. But, ssh is another good idea (-: |
| 00:57.38 | nsx | is there a bug in the latest testing netinstall cd? |
| 00:57.41 | jetscreamer | nvidia works here, all i know |
| 00:57.53 | jetscreamer | nsx: that is the #debian-boot channel question |
| 00:58.05 | jetscreamer | but you should read the pages first |
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| 00:58.22 | nsx | I have |
| 00:58.24 | nsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.25 | nsx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.27 | nsx | I did see that |
| 00:58.28 | nsx | but still |
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| 00:58.46 | nsx | I don't see any network drivers in /lib/modules |
| 00:58.57 | nsx | which means the cd is completely useless |
| 00:59.15 | jelly-home | nsx: um, this channel is for support of stable, isn't it |
| 00:59.31 | nsx | jelly-home, testing isn't "supported" |
| 00:59.34 | jetscreamer | nsx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 00:59.44 | gravity | jelly-home: Not necessarily |
| 00:59.49 | nsx | it's a lot easier to support a distro with ancient software that's been in a code freeze for years |
| 00:59.49 | jelly-home | nsx: you're sorta expected to report and fix bugs if you're using testing or unstable, I think |
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| 00:59.51 | gravity | testing is still Debian |
| 01:00.03 | jetscreamer | use a nightly |
| 01:00.08 | jetscreamer | use a weekly |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | use an hourly |
| 01:00.14 | jetscreamer | use an old one |
| 01:00.18 | Dave2 | use a secondly |
| 01:00.22 | nsx | jetscreamer: where do you think what I just pasted came from? |
| 01:00.28 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 01:00.34 | felipe_br | er... I'm having trouble updating unstable locales |
| 01:00.38 | nsx | the very url you just pasted to me |
| 01:00.41 | nsx | but thanks anyway |
| 01:00.41 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 01:00.47 | nsx | I was just asking if anyone knew about the issue |
| 01:00.51 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:00.57 | felipe_br | I thought I would find the answer right in the channel topic... |
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| 01:02.31 | nsx | jetscreamer: where do you see weekly builds for netinstall? |
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| 01:05.19 | jetscreamer | Official releases and weekly builds for the testing distribution are in general also not affected. |
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| 01:05.41 | raf256 | how to download stable version of all packages I have now installed |
| 01:05.56 | Azar | so gravity, we got a new xserver version on which any of the generally used video drivers are not working? wow |
| 01:05.57 | raf256 | like aptitude upgrade -t stable --force-downgrade(???) -d |
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| 01:06.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:06.30 | Azar | the latest nVidia driver upgrade happened back in March... |
| 01:06.48 | jetscreamer | raf256: do the /msg dpkg uninstall thing, but do apt-get with -d |
| 01:06.52 | jetscreamer | err |
| 01:06.57 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 01:07.07 | gravity | Azar: All the open drivers work fine |
| 01:07.18 | gravity | Azar: It also includes significant functionality upgrades for intel, with randr 1.2 |
| 01:07.20 | Azar | gravity: like what open driver? cyrix? |
| 01:07.21 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer works fine for me |
| 01:07.40 | Azar | jetscreamer: on the new xserver version/ |
| 01:07.43 | gravity | Azar: intel is the most deployed driver according to figures from ubuntu |
| 01:07.43 | Azar | ? |
| 01:07.43 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 01:07.44 | raf256 | jetscreamer: but I have all things in testing and I want to download stable |
| 01:08.01 | Azar | is intel an open driver? |
| 01:08.03 | gravity | Azar: Besides that: fuck off, it's sid. |
| 01:08.06 | raf256 | or, how to download vim's .deb from stable? |
| 01:08.09 | Azar | ah :) |
| 01:08.11 | gravity | Azar: Yes, very much so |
| 01:08.11 | Azar | oookk |
| 01:08.14 | jetscreamer | raf256: from pdo |
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| 01:08.20 | nsx | there are no daily netinstall builds there |
| 01:08.23 | raf256 | jetscreamer: using apt-get or aptitude |
| 01:08.29 | shogunx | that is properly pronounced ook |
| 01:08.33 | nsx | err weekly |
| 01:08.36 | gravity | I'm not holding off on randr 1.2 deployment because nvidia and fglrx break |
| 01:08.37 | Azar | gravity: well I am patiently waiting for Nouveau |
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| 01:08.43 | abrotman | nsx: so use the etch installer |
| 01:08.45 | gravity | Azar: Me too |
| 01:08.59 | jetscreamer | f you'd like something newer to help us test a future release of the installer, or because of hardware problems or other issues, try one of these daily built images which contain the latest available version of installer components. |
| 01:09.10 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 01:09.47 | jetscreamer | same page |
| 01:10.01 | jetscreamer | gravity: go for it, works fine here! |
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| 01:10.04 | shogunx | no, just a small one. |
| 01:10.07 | shogunx | sorry |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | jetscreamer: It's already in |
| 01:10.28 | jetscreamer | oh cool |
| 01:10.37 | gravity | If you run intel on unstable, you've got the hot new hotness |
| 01:11.01 | jetscreamer | :( no hot new hotness for me then |
| 01:11.07 | abrotman | gravity: how hot is hot ? |
| 01:11.17 | jetscreamer | it's measured in Kelvin |
| 01:11.18 | gravity | abrotman: Very hot |
| 01:11.27 | gravity | Hot as keithp anyway... which maybe isn't so hot |
| 01:11.28 | shogunx | Azar the star the earthlike planet orbits, actually. |
| 01:11.53 | Azar | shogunx: nice to know ... and that you are ok |
| 01:12.12 | shogunx | Azar still kicking here, thanks. |
| 01:12.48 | jetscreamer | oh he musta wanted a full cd |
| 01:12.57 | jetscreamer | not a netinst |
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| 01:14.39 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 01:14.57 | ArchitectSinan | I've got qmailrocks installed on my Debian Sarge box. i'm having a spam attack and trying to delete some mails from queue. I'm trying to use "qmail-remove -r baddomain.com" and qmail-remove matches mails saying "yes" and saying "no" for the non-matching messages. But qmail-remove doesn't take any actions. I mean doesn't delete. |
| 01:15.07 | ArchitectSinan | I run "qmail-remove -r baddomain.com -v -v" to see verbose log and received lines like below : |
| 01:15.12 | ArchitectSinan | 2724433: yes |
| 01:15.17 | ArchitectSinan | remove_file(mess/14/2724433): not a file |
| 01:15.23 | ArchitectSinan | remove_file(mess/2724433): no stat info |
| 01:15.27 | ArchitectSinan | and list goes on like this |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | i'd gather you should be asking #qmail |
| 01:15.30 | nsx | abrotman: I don't want etch |
| 01:15.35 | ArchitectSinan | why qmail-remove thinks that it's "not a file" ? |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | nsx: that's nice .. use the etch installer then go to whatever you want |
| 01:15.57 | ArchitectSinan | abrotman: i already asked there but i think the guys in #debian are sleeping :( |
| 01:16.15 | abrotman | we are? |
| 01:16.15 | ArchitectSinan | sorry |
| 01:16.18 | ArchitectSinan | #qmail |
| 01:16.19 | ArchitectSinan | :( |
| 01:16.20 | ArchitectSinan | typo |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:17.36 | Dave2 | whilst you were lying there defenceless. |
| 01:17.48 | spyroboy | anyone upgrade to 2.6.20.7? |
| 01:17.50 | beardy | Hmm |
| 01:18.09 | beardy | A Dave2 in here. And quiet it is aswell. |
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| 01:18.34 | Dave2 | i joined in a conversation earlier where goatse was mentioned |
| 01:18.41 | beardy | Figures. |
| 01:18.44 | spyroboy | cool! |
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| 01:18.49 | spyroboy | Goatse.cx is for sale.. |
| 01:19.02 | PingFloyd | ArchitectSinan: http://www.debianadmin.com/delete-qmail-server-messages-queue.html |
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| 01:19.21 | nn-laptop | I need a clasic domain name anyone have any ideas |
| 01:19.29 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: i suppose i checked there, let me check it again |
| 01:19.44 | amphi | rt.fm, but it's taken |
| 01:20.18 | ArchitectSinan | yeah remembered this webpage was my starting point |
| 01:20.35 | shogunx | classicdomainname.net is open. that seems to satisfy your requirements. |
| 01:21.15 | nn-laptop | somthing that lots of linux users will come to but dosent have linux in the name |
| 01:21.26 | Azar | ArchitectSinan: THIS is freenode :) |
| 01:21.36 | ArchitectSinan | Azar: :) |
| 01:21.38 | dondelelcaro | nn-laptop: content matters way more than a name does |
| 01:21.49 | dondelelcaro | linux users know (or should know) how to use google |
| 01:21.57 | nn-laptop | y |
| 01:21.58 | Azar | spyroboy: old news |
| 01:22.05 | spyroboy | nn-laptop, goatse.cx is for sale :P |
| 01:22.07 | nn-laptop | but i need a name |
| 01:22.07 | spyroboy | Azar, indeed |
| 01:22.19 | amphi | !tell ArchitectSinan about qmail |
| 01:22.32 | nn-laptop | a .net or .com |
| 01:22.35 | shogunx | domaindoesnotmatter.com seems available. |
| 01:23.00 | ArchitectSinan | amphi: thx :) i know all the info that you send me :) |
| 01:23.02 | spyroboy | nn-laptop, get nitenoobs.com |
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| 01:23.22 | ArchitectSinan | anyway i'd better find a way myself |
| 01:23.24 | nn-laptop | spyroboy, why |
| 01:23.30 | shogunx | spyroboy, noobsgonewild.com ? |
| 01:23.30 | Azar | nn-laptop: "linuxforall" |
| 01:23.39 | spyroboy | nn-laptop, don't know, just saw the NN in your nickname :P |
| 01:23.47 | spyroboy | shogunx, now that's a domain worth buying |
| 01:24.12 | ArchitectSinan | thanks for all all :) |
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| 01:24.19 | nn-laptop | humm, well i looked at filebin.org? |
| 01:24.21 | PingFloyd | ArchitectSinan: did you try your command with -p? |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | shogunx: oh yeah ... "GUYS .. I JUST GOT THE COOLEST 14 sided die!" |
| 01:24.27 | nn-laptop | and a fiew others |
| 01:24.40 | shogunx | bahaha |
| 01:24.51 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: I'm already trying with -p |
| 01:25.22 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: I made a typo for the command above sorry. I'm trying to run "qmail-remove -p baddomain.com -r" |
| 01:25.25 | nn-laptop | i think linuxirc.net would be cool |
| 01:25.42 | Dave2 | openprojects.net! |
| 01:25.47 | Azar | ew no |
| 01:25.52 | nn-laptop | oh nice |
| 01:25.55 | nn-laptop | !!! |
| 01:25.55 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:25.56 | Azar | tuxerirc.net |
| 01:26.40 | PingFloyd | ArchitectSinan: did you remember to create the yanked dir? |
| 01:26.48 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: sure ;9 |
| 01:26.51 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: sure ;) |
| 01:27.12 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: it shouts if you forgot creating the yanked dir |
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| 01:27.40 | nn-laptop | any others |
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| 01:27.52 | Azar | nn-laptop: I guess we are done on that |
| 01:28.16 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: i tihnk you're going through the http://www.debianadmin.com/delete-qmail-server-messages-queue.html. My problem is i never see "moved" line after matching a mail |
| 01:28.30 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: i only see "10391283091 yes" lines |
| 01:28.41 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: i have a great idea! .. stop using qmail :) |
| 01:28.58 | ArchitectSinan | abrotman: perfect , i hadn't think :D |
| 01:29.05 | srhegde | i need help with my wireless |
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| 01:29.38 | Azar | srhegde: specs |
| 01:29.38 | nn-laptop | i plan to have a: irc; forem;file bin; paste bin; post how to page; add a page;; project place etc |
| 01:29.59 | srhegde | azar : pcmcia, ATT 6700G , thinkpad |
| 01:30.12 | Azar | srhegde: errors? |
| 01:30.13 | ArchitectSinan | PingFloyd: I even tried using the previous version of qmail-remove. Current is 0.9.5 tried 0.9.4 same |
| 01:30.20 | srhegde | azar: where to look for errors? |
| 01:30.36 | Azar | srhegde: what is not working and how? |
| 01:31.19 | srhegde | azar: this same thing worked with kubuntu, installed debian 4 on another partition, does not work |
| 01:31.22 | Azar | wifi driver? debian version? kernel version? you try to.... and it does(not)... |
| 01:31.28 | nn-laptop | all that under one roof |
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| 01:31.42 | nn-laptop | well i think i got the backend working |
| 01:31.46 | srhegde | azar: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:31.52 | Azar | ah debian 4 |
| 01:31.55 | nn-laptop | now time to work on the front end |
| 01:32.10 | nn-laptop | you can look at the sight as it is now |
| 01:32.23 | nn-laptop | it need's a Tun of work |
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| 01:32.36 | srhegde | azar: debian kernel uname -r : 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 01:32.38 | nn-laptop | http://srv256.homelinux.net |
| 01:33.03 | nn-laptop | any one know of a good html editer |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 01:33.31 | nn-laptop | more graphic |
| 01:33.43 | Coweater | nvu |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | srhegde: which wifi card/chipset ? |
| 01:33.45 | Nemoder | composer in iceape is pretty good |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | nn-laptop: iceape |
| 01:33.54 | nn-laptop | ok |
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| 01:34.04 | PingFloyd | fix "Genral" |
| 01:34.19 | PingFloyd | General |
| 01:34.26 | srhegde | abrotman: its a pcmcia, card, ATT6700G |
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| 01:34.41 | abrotman | oh .. i misread that as ATI6700G :) |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | srhegde: do you know the actual chipset ? |
| 01:35.05 | srhegde | abrotman: I dontknow what is chipset :( |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=ATT+6700G+debian+driver&spell=1 |
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| 01:35.26 | nn-laptop | i need a fiew dedicated admins? |
| 01:35.29 | abrotman | looks like madwifi or ndiswrapper |
| 01:35.30 | nn-laptop | etc |
| 01:35.42 | nn-laptop | to moniter everything |
| 01:35.42 | ubd | /ns info madman91 |
| 01:36.02 | nn-laptop | like the irc |
| 01:36.05 | nn-laptop | etc |
| 01:36.11 | rcbarnes_ | What are the common binary file viewers that might be on a Linux server? I have no admin (or really any) rights but I need to view a file for debugging purposes. |
| 01:36.18 | wever | want to figure out how to launch linux from an already running version (substituting one for the other)...I assume that's possible but don't know how to describe it in google |
| 01:36.24 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes_: less, hexdump, etc. |
| 01:36.28 | ubd | i am completely fscked 50 gb mp3 gone thanks to debian |
| 01:36.43 | nn-laptop | i have no idea how to setup the format of a sight ? |
| 01:36.45 | Azar | abrotman: should he watch /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/NEWS.Debian.gz for his madwifi? |
| 01:36.47 | derchris`work | abrotman: the rescue is now back up, but funny enough, the debian hasn't booted at all. there are not logfiles in /var/log |
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| 01:36.58 | nn-laptop | can some one show me a modle |
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| 01:37.05 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to set up a remote cups printer |
| 01:37.17 | PingFloyd | ubd: my bets are on PEBCAK |
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| 01:37.28 | man_in_shack | i have the server configured and detecting the printer, but i can't work out how to get the local machine to find the remote cups server |
| 01:37.35 | rcbarnes_ | dondelelcaro: ah. Hexdump is there. I don't like less for this, though. Thanks. |
| 01:37.39 | nn-laptop | you can see what i mean by looking at the sight as is right now |
| 01:37.43 | derchris`work | abrotman: what was the name of the module again. i would like to add it to /etc/modules, just to be safe and restart the thing again |
| 01:37.43 | nn-laptop | http://srv256.homelinux.net |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | via-rhine or such |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 01:38.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 01:38.12 | ubd | no im not enuf stupid to blame myself and praise linux |
| 01:39.51 | wever | for example, could I boot up Tomsrtb floppy, and launch another version on Linux from hard drive or othe media from within Tomsrtb? |
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| 01:40.07 | Azar | abrotman: how about etch? |
| 01:40.13 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 01:40.13 | dondelelcaro | wever: you could chroot into it, but you wouldn't change the kernel, generally speaking. |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | same thing |
| 01:40.29 | Azar | abrotman: he runs 4.0, and his madwifi does not seem to work |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | did he install it? |
| 01:40.48 | Azar | abrotman: yes |
| 01:40.55 | Azar | dual boot I guess with ubuntu |
| 01:41.16 | abrotman | Azar: are you sure he installed the driver? |
| 01:41.24 | Azar | < srhegde> azar: this same thing worked with kubuntu, installed debian 4 on another |
| 01:41.27 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.29 | wever | dondelelcaro, thanks...so no way to change kernels? |
| 01:41.40 | dondelelcaro | wever: not unless you're using grub, no |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 01:42.08 | dpkg | somebody said grub floppy image was ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 01:42.14 | srhegde | abrotman: iam sorry, i was looking into installing ndiswrapper and the driver from the lik provided |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 01:42.45 | dondelelcaro | (there is also a re-exec kernel feature, but that's *highly* experimental) |
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| 01:43.23 | srhegde | abrotman: i installed debian using a usb stick, no CD/DVD works on this old thinkpad - |
| 01:43.43 | Gmoliv | sound and video are out of sincrony in mplayer... does anyone knows how to correct it ? |
| 01:43.51 | srhegde | abrotman/azar: probably it did not install the pcmcia part on the kernel |
| 01:44.00 | abrotman | pcmcia-utils ? |
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| 01:44.38 | srhegde | abrotman: i am not sure what is to be installed for making pcmcia to work, it was working without a problem on kubuntu |
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| 01:45.51 | ombuyung | makan |
| 01:46.03 | dondelelcaro | srhegde: you shouldn't have to install anything. Just load the appropriate module |
| 01:46.26 | srhegde | abrotman/azar: this is another annoying problem with debian, when i try to install something with apt-get/aptitude, i am asked to insert debian install CD |
| 01:46.41 | srhegde | dondelelcaro: how do i know which module? |
| 01:46.42 | abrotman | srhegde: comment out the CD source in the sources.list |
| 01:46.44 | dondelelcaro | srhegde: remove the cdrom line from your /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | it's an ndiswrapper card |
| 01:46.52 | wever | dondelelcaro, I'll take a look at Grub floppy. Hope it can detect my zip drive. I know Tomsrtb can attach zip...and was hoping to then bring up another distribution from there |
| 01:47.15 | dondelelcaro | wever: if you can boot off of your zip drive, then grub should be able to too |
| 01:47.21 | dondelelcaro | if not, *shrug* |
| 01:47.37 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh. blegh |
| 01:47.52 | abrotman | my thought too:) |
| 01:48.52 | wever | dondelelcaro, unfortunately can't boot from zip...oh well...thanks |
| 01:48.54 | srhegde | abrotman: thanks for the tip, i couldnot install vlc bcos of this y'day |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:53.24 | bsmntbombdood | I try to install xv: |
| 01:53.26 | bsmntbombdood | Package xv is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:53.26 | bsmntbombdood | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:53.26 | bsmntbombdood | is only available from another source |
| 01:53.26 | bsmntbombdood | E: Package xv has no installation candidate |
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| 01:53.30 | srhegde | abrotman/dondelelcaro/azar: plz bear with me, downloading the ATT driver, |
| 01:53.38 | srhegde | installed ndiswrapper |
| 01:53.43 | bsmntbombdood | sorry, didn't realized that was more than one line |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | srhegde: abrotman and dondelecaro are the gurus, I am just doing the questioning |
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| 01:56.58 | srhegde | okay, here is what i did: i installed ndiswrapper, downloaded the driver, did ndiswrapper -i net5211.bin, then did a modprobe ndiswrapper, |
| 01:57.02 | dondelelcaro | !tell bsmntbombdood -about search |
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| 01:57.25 | bsmntbombdood | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 01:57.31 | dondelelcaro | I personally know nothing about ndiswrapper, having avoided it like the plague |
| 01:57.33 | srhegde | what am i doing wrong? it says "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found." |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:57.46 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 01:58.09 | jonathanfla2007 | Anyone, I have questions about grub and ubuntu fiesty can someone msg me and help me out...? |
| 01:58.24 | dondelelcaro | bsmntbombdood: you're looking for xv, which no longer exists. Presumably you actually want either imagemagick or xview; regardless, apt-cache search and/or packages.debian.org will point you in the proper direction, as the bot has indicated. |
| 01:58.30 | dondelelcaro | jonathanfla2007: #ubuntu can |
| 01:58.43 | jonathanfla2007 | no one will msg me |
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| 01:58.52 | Azar | http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/error'd/achtung.png hehe |
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| 01:59.09 | jonathanfla2007 | how big should a /boot be if i make a seperate partition...? |
| 01:59.13 | dondelelcaro | jonathanfla2007: well, then they don't know. Try asking their forums |
| 01:59.29 | dondelelcaro | jonathanfla2007: big enough to hold as many kernels as you plan on haivng in it. |
| 01:59.39 | jonathanfla2007 | ok |
| 01:59.43 | jonathanfla2007 | gig? |
| 01:59.56 | dondelelcaro | if you're planning on having 300 kernels in it, sure. |
| 02:00.05 | jonathanfla2007 | hehe |
| 02:01.02 | bsmntbombdood | dondelelcaro: very helpful |
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| 02:03.17 | loopdee | what do you do when your raid controller dies and cannot find an exact replacement? |
| 02:03.28 | dondelelcaro | loopdee: restore from backups |
| 02:04.04 | dondelelcaro | often though, you can talk the manufacturer into sending you a replacement |
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| 02:04.17 | loopdee | the thing is is its 1TB array and the tape only holds 450GB |
| 02:04.23 | joeljkp | i'm seeing 3 different smbd processes running on my server; is this normal? any way to reduce that? |
| 02:04.26 | loopdee | i hope they would have a replacement |
| 02:04.48 | dondelelcaro | loopdee: you've got multiple tapes, right? |
| 02:05.14 | loopdee | yeah but noone there is going to change tapes, or spend the money on a auto tape loader |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | use compression ? |
| 02:05.28 | loopdee | they may decide to now lol |
| 02:05.36 | loopdee | compress is 800GB i think |
| 02:06.16 | dondelelcaro | jonathanfla2007: please don't /msg me. I have no desire to support ubuntu, and it's not on topic here. #ubuntu or their forums are the place to go for help |
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| 02:09.30 | loopdee | oh wow etch |
| 02:10.38 | endra | hey |
| 02:10.45 | endra | I did apt-get install php5, and 'php' doesn't exist |
| 02:10.52 | endra | after it installs |
| 02:10.58 | jetscreamer | iirc, they send their ubuntu ppl here |
| 02:11.02 | jetscreamer | sometimes |
| 02:11.15 | jetscreamer | who 'they' is i dunno |
| 02:11.22 | OwlEye | jetscreamer, yeah. the world is after us debian people |
| 02:11.23 | Azar | come again, what exactly is "most" used for? |
| 02:11.29 | jetscreamer | like less |
| 02:11.34 | jetscreamer | pager |
| 02:11.42 | cwheeler | after us? great i'm paranoid already |
| 02:11.48 | Azar | jetscreamer: I am a fan of less, but what is most exactly do? same thing? |
| 02:12.02 | cwheeler | most scrolls sideways |
| 02:12.07 | jetscreamer | same thing i believe, not quite sure about features |
| 02:12.07 | OwlEye | it can do colors |
| 02:12.13 | jetscreamer | !info most |
| 02:12.20 | Azar | teehee, gotta try it! thanks guys |
| 02:12.20 | dpkg | most: (Pager program similar to more and less), section text, is optional. Version: 4.10.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 02:12.32 | Azar | aw sid? |
| 02:12.34 | Coweater | endra: you probably want php5-cli if that's not installed |
| 02:12.35 | Azar | can't be |
| 02:12.42 | jetscreamer | no that's just the dpkg default |
| 02:12.47 | jetscreamer | you can specify |
| 02:12.54 | jetscreamer | !info most etch |
| 02:13.00 | dpkg | most: (Pager program similar to more and less), section text, is optional. Version: 4.10.2-4 (etch), Packaged size: 44 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 02:13.12 | OwlEye | apt-cache show on your command line is faster |
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| 02:13.45 | jetscreamer | then there /exec in your client |
| 02:13.48 | jetscreamer | there's |
| 02:14.49 | jetscreamer | actually, it wouldn't be all that faster.. first i'd have to open an xterm, and apt-cache show is a lot longer than /msg dpkg info most |
| 02:14.57 | Azar | dam I cant get it! |
| 02:14.58 | jetscreamer | lot |
| 02:15.01 | Azar | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 02:15.02 | Azar | 0% [Connecting to ftp.de.debian.org |
| 02:15.05 | jetscreamer | yeah you're not worthy |
| 02:15.10 | endra | thanks |
| 02:15.38 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show most of course |
| 02:15.47 | OwlEye | Azar, yeah. that mirror seems to be dead for me too. i am looking at the screen since 20 minutes and wait for a debootstrap to finish |
| 02:15.56 | Azar | jetscreamer: my source is not responding |
| 02:16.03 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 02:16.07 | jetscreamer | !cry for azar |
| 02:16.07 | dpkg | cries for azar |
| 02:16.16 | Azar | ookk so I will try later |
| 02:16.20 | jetscreamer | use another |
| 02:16.27 | OwlEye | Azar, use ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 02:16.41 | Azar | OwlEye: good idea :) |
| 02:16.45 | OwlEye | :) |
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| 02:16.56 | jetscreamer | keep the backup commented out and whip it out when you need |
| 02:17.14 | jetscreamer | like now of course |
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| 02:18.20 | derchris`work | abrotman: the rescue is up again. but it looks like that debian hasn't booted. still no logs files |
| 02:18.32 | derchris`work | abrotman: I don't know whats going on there |
| 02:18.36 | edju | What is (pam_unix) session that pops out in auth.log every hour, opening and closing? |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | derchris`work: can't they just image it for you ? |
| 02:19.17 | derchris`work | abrotman: I will do it all from scratch, debootstrap with etch this time |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:19.42 | derchris`work | abrotman: they can, but I don't want to. it will cost me :) |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:20.18 | stoned | man |
| 02:20.31 | stoned | I just got stabbed in the foot with a 1 inch long nail sticking out of the little thing in my closet |
| 02:20.42 | stoned | I'm gonna sue my apartment people |
| 02:20.48 | stoned | !ping |
| 02:20.48 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:20.53 | stoned | ok im not dc good |
| 02:21.11 | stoned | oh and ow! |
| 02:21.27 | amphi | stoned: lookout for lockjaw |
| 02:21.34 | Azar | nope: http://paste.debian.net/26447 |
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| 02:23.27 | Nyle | hey what the hellll |
| 02:23.34 | edju | OK. If anybody sees this , say - uhhh --- say "hojimama". |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | Nyle: /nick stoned |
| 02:23.45 | Nyle | hojimama |
| 02:24.00 | stoned | yessir |
| 02:24.30 | rahul | hmm |
| 02:24.36 | rahul | I feel like getting stoned |
| 02:25.49 | Azar | other mirrors down? or only mine? |
| 02:26.16 | Azar | :) mister stoned!! |
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| 02:28.25 | rahul | maybe I should play devil may cry |
| 02:28.30 | markybob | !penixstrike rahul |
| 02:28.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:28.35 | rahul | oof. |
| 02:28.52 | squisher | Anyone know if I can tell GDM to put something else but the grey X background on my 2nd X server (not Xinerama)? |
| 02:29.10 | markybob | rahul i'm happy as hell...linus just reverted the patch that was causing the new kernels to crash my box :) |
| 02:29.16 | rahul | heh |
| 02:29.18 | rahul | good deal |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | markybob: how much did you pay ? |
| 02:29.51 | ombuyung | !xinerama |
| 02:29.51 | dpkg | methinks xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 02:29.58 | markybob | abrotman: nothing, believe it or not. the lkml guys sure can be a stubborn bunch, though. took some convincing :) |
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| 02:30.33 | abrotman | markybob: at least you got a response .. all i got out of posting the LKML was spam and asking people how to fix the issue |
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| 02:30.57 | markybob | abrotman: yeah, i'm feeling pretty damn happy right now :) |
| 02:31.20 | stoned | I've got a ASUS P4P800VM motherboard.. I'm running the etch netboot installer and it dosn't apparantly work.. somehow. I look at the output.. in tty4, "detected hotpluggable network interface".. however with DHCP or even STATIC ip I cannot get it to fetch any package lists.. tried a few servers.. I get a red error screen saying network is not working right now etc. |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | markybob: i'm going to ask them to put it back |
| 02:31.33 | markybob | abrotman: i'll fly to PA and kill you! |
| 02:31.35 | markybob | :) |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | markybob: don't you live in idaho ? |
| 02:32.06 | markybob | abrotman: no. i dont really have a house, to be honest. i'm always traveling around. currently in chicago |
| 02:32.15 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 02:32.24 | abrotman | markybob: oh .. that must be fun |
| 02:32.45 | stoned | debian never gave trouble on this box before.. I've ran sarge on this box for I dunno a long time.. I just installed a new HDD and trying to install etch |
| 02:33.08 | markybob | abrotman: kind of explains why i dont have any real friends and i'm always on irc ;) |
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| 02:33.18 | abrotman | markybob: that's not why :) |
| 02:33.25 | markybob | heh |
| 02:33.36 | Nemoder | stoned: network cable plugged in? :/ |
| 02:33.45 | stoned | yes |
| 02:33.50 | stoned | and it is green |
| 02:33.54 | rahul | green |
| 02:34.00 | stoned | the lights man |
| 02:34.04 | stoned | meanings its good |
| 02:34.06 | rahul | yeah, light up |
| 02:34.08 | stoned | it can reach the router |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | stoned: have you been chewing your network cables ? |
| 02:34.52 | rahul | he's been smoking them |
| 02:34.58 | rahul | because he doesn't have any pot |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | he implied earlier he does |
| 02:35.13 | rahul | he did? |
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| 02:35.53 | Nemoder | hmm chewing cables.. that's an interesting way to to packet filtering.. |
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| 02:36.44 | markybob | abrotman: i still cant figure out why the hell /sbin/hwclock --show freezes my laptop, though. that's a head-scratcher |
| 02:37.12 | abrotman | markybob: you have a clockless CPU ? |
| 02:37.15 | stoned | DHCP == start 192.168.2.10 and end at 2.12, right now only 10 and 11 are being used.. tty4 tells me its trying to DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 on different intervals.. no go. I configured it to be static, 192.168.2.12 and gateway == 192.168.1.1 still no go.. |
| 02:37.30 | stoned | I know im using the correct gateway cuz my other boxes are the same |
| 02:37.37 | stoned | I can't figure out what is wrong |
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| 02:37.49 | rahul | stoned: did you restart the router? |
| 02:37.55 | stoned | yes |
| 02:38.05 | stoned | its been rebooted after dhcp changes were made to it |
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| 02:38.32 | markybob | abrotman: it works as root, but not user. a normal user shouldnt be able to crash a box by entering that line into the command line, though :) |
| 02:38.47 | rahul | heh |
| 02:39.00 | rahul | MMZ's lead singer told me to call him any time tonight |
| 02:39.01 | markybob | abrotman: it also means that vmware or kvm or just about anything else that uses rtc crashes the box |
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| 02:39.16 | abrotman | markybob: i'm going to try this .. and if it kills my box . i'm coming to find you :) |
| 02:39.23 | markybob | abrotman: neato :) |
| 02:39.30 | rahul | for hot phonesex0rz, of course |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | markybob: i suck less than you |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | works fine here :) |
| 02:39.43 | markybob | abrotman: i figured as much |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | now .. rahul ... he's a black hole |
| 02:40.08 | markybob | heh |
| 02:40.50 | kramed | is it required to have a swap partition |
| 02:40.55 | endra | thanks |
| 02:40.58 | endra | Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Times-Roman |
| 02:41.01 | rahul | kramed: why not? |
| 02:41.03 | endra | How do I install this? |
| 02:41.13 | kramed | rahul: 2 gbs of ram, swap never gets used |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | kramed: no .. but it's a pretty good idea |
| 02:41.43 | rahul | kramed: you might as well have 500MB of swap. not like you'll notice the diff in space. |
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| 02:42.04 | rahul | kramed: and it means 500MB more cache for when it's more useful than whatever idle app is chewing memory |
| 02:42.05 | kramed | ok thanks. just reorganizing my disks and was wondering |
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| 02:43.44 | enouf | markybob: amd64 cpu? |
| 02:43.53 | markybob | enouf: yes. turion x2 |
| 02:44.11 | enouf | markybob: ok .. hold a sec please |
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| 02:44.44 | zanpakuto | hello I am trying to use debmirror for mirroring. I am getting something like "Release signature does not verify.", what does this mean? |
| 02:45.40 | stoned | omygod |
| 02:45.44 | stoned | I seriously need to get stoned |
| 02:45.45 | stoned | man |
| 02:45.52 | stoned | it was a simple routing issue |
| 02:45.59 | concept10 | hey stoned |
| 02:46.02 | litage | if the only include/exclude options given to rsync are --include='*.sql.gz' --exclude='*lost+found*' why would rsync grab a file called "THIS_SHOULDNT_BE_RSYNCD"?: http://rafb.net/p/2DsRQ630.html |
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| 02:46.03 | stoned | I hadn't setup this particular MAC id to be able to get connected to the router |
| 02:46.04 | stoned | :( |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:46.17 | stoned | mac filtering was on and this was not added yet |
| 02:46.37 | stoned | hey bro man concept10 whats up |
| 02:46.48 | stoned | I think I might go with SID on this box |
| 02:47.03 | stoned | all these machines in a little room where I live |
| 02:47.08 | stoned | too much heat man |
| 02:47.11 | stoned | its killin me |
| 02:47.24 | concept10 | Anyone know how to disable the acpi "shutdown my laptop when the processor gets hot while i'm killing alot of people in the middle of a good game " event? |
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| 02:47.28 | enouf | markybob: see http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_9706,00.html notice the 1st paragraph about the TSC Time Stamp Counter |
| 02:47.33 | stoned | oh wait, X problems in sid.. fuck it.. i'll stick with stable on this too for now |
| 02:47.39 | markybob | enouf: will do. thanks |
| 02:47.59 | stoned | I should steal my ram back from my brother in law |
| 02:48.22 | stoned | I gave him 512x2 sticks. now I'm only left with 256 dimm :( |
| 02:48.23 | enouf | markybob: not certain that's your issue, but i'm almost sure there's some bugs about it too .. here's my search for keywords http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=amd64+cpu+timer+driver+linux+bug&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 02:48.34 | stoned | I should at least steal 512 back |
| 02:48.42 | concept10 | I should have bought Understanding the Linux kernel instead of this boring Code Breakers book and maybe I would know by now |
| 02:48.52 | markybob | enouf: sounds good. thanks |
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| 02:49.19 | jpsamara | Is there a way that I can run debian in my desktop with most recent packages... without breaking everything? |
| 02:49.35 | gravity | jpsamara: You can run unstable. |
| 02:49.41 | gravity | jpsamara: But things will break there from time to time. |
| 02:49.53 | gravity | Definitely not everything though |
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| 02:49.59 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 02:49.59 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 02:50.04 | stoned | js_: read ^^ |
| 02:50.12 | stoned | er,, jpsamara ^^ |
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| 02:50.33 | abrotman | today if you have nvidia/ati .. X is broken :) |
| 02:50.39 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.46 | stoned | thats why im going with stable atm |
| 02:51.08 | stoned | this is my 5th box im installing debian on.. 5 machines in a room.. 2 more to go.. 7 total.. HEAT!!!! |
| 02:51.09 | enouf | markybob: Also , somewhat related, if you're using a xen, kvm, vmware VM type dealio, i think that we're told to disable ntp (and ntpdate maybe), there's a mixup there too with timers .. maybe these two issues are even related .. haven't looked into it much |
| 02:51.27 | stoned | I gotta get an AC unit or two |
| 02:51.28 | stoned | or there |
| 02:51.31 | stoned | three* |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | or only install at 3am |
| 02:51.53 | stoned | huh? |
| 02:52.01 | markybob | enouf: interesting. i do run ntp. |
| 02:52.04 | stoned | they stay on all the time.. 2 desktops, 2 laptops, rest are servers |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | oh .. that's your fault then |
| 02:52.15 | stoned | i know |
| 02:52.16 | stoned | :( |
| 02:52.27 | enouf | markybob: try disabling it, and/or the daemon |
| 02:52.52 | stoned | this one is a overclocked prescott p4 from 2.4ghz to 3.2 with only 256mb ram.. I gave ram away :( |
| 02:53.01 | stoned | should work fine as a small server of sorts though |
| 02:53.11 | stoned | ram is cheap, DDR at least, I should order some |
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| 02:54.50 | concept10 | anyone know what script/config catches acpi events for processor temp? |
| 02:55.14 | lokkju_wrk | has anyone seen some sort of utility that "emulates" a 1280x1024 screen on a 1024x768? something that sort of zooms out *everything* on the display? |
| 02:55.18 | concept10 | stoned, youre on a p4 right now? |
| 02:55.48 | stoned | well im on many machines right now |
| 02:55.54 | litage | concept10: i think that depends on what hardware you have. my MacBook Pro uses the applesmc LKM to populate /sys/devices/platform/applesmc/temperature_X |
| 02:55.55 | stoned | irssi is on a laptop 1.8ghz p4 |
| 02:56.12 | stoned | my main desktop on which I ssh into my laptop is a 3.5ghz core 2 duo |
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| 02:56.23 | stoned | why whats up? |
| 02:56.27 | concept10 | stoned, what is the current temperature like? im at 126 deg (on p4 laptop) My favorite game is overheating my processor and shutting me down in the middle of playing |
| 02:56.32 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: the sample implementation X server (XFree86, Xorg) has supported pan'n'scan mode as long as I can remember, and I can remember back a long ways. you set your root window size as 1280x1024 but your physical display as 1024x768, and it pans around to follow your mouse as you touch edges of the screen. is that what you mean? |
| 02:56.35 | stoned | holy moher of god! |
| 02:56.51 | stoned | thats hot dude |
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| 02:57.31 | stoned | on my prescott p4 after overclocking it was around 80C so I put a 900gram prue copper heatsink with 12 heatpipes and arctic silver thermal compound, it does'nt top 40C |
| 02:57.35 | stoned | even under full stress testing |
| 02:57.39 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, no, I want it to sort of scale down. that is, I want the screen (real estate wise) to seem as if it is 1280x1024 - I'll sacrifice some readability, I know |
| 02:57.40 | concept10 | I always thought it was something wrong with my kernel but last night I caught the kernel message saying processor overheated, shutting down now! |
| 02:57.45 | stoned | about yoru laptop, I dunno what to tell you |
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| 02:57.51 | stoned | I don't mess with laptop hardware much |
| 02:57.58 | pablo__ | hi, which pastebin do you recomend? |
| 02:58.12 | Guerin | pablo__: /msg dpkg paster |
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| 02:58.27 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: you're asking a lot - for one thing, 1024x768 is not the same aspect ratio as 1280x1024, so you're talking about scaling _differently_ in the X and Y directions. anyway, I don't know of anything that will do that, unless Xgl does |
| 02:58.40 | pablo__ | dpkg paster |
| 02:58.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:58.42 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: if you want uniform scaling you probably mean 1280x960 |
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| 02:58.43 | x3n0 | i'm having a spot of trouble with my new (ish) webcam... |
| 02:58.52 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, hmm, was hoping for something, but ok :) |
| 02:58.55 | stoned | pablo__: that was NOT an /msg |
| 02:59.04 | stoned | pablo__: try to follow instructions next time please |
| 02:59.09 | concept10 | stoned, im at 52C -- normal desktop idle :( |
| 02:59.12 | peterS | why 1280x1024 ever became a standard mystifies me. all the other standard resolutions are 4:3 aspect ratio, but 1280x1024 is 5:4 |
| 02:59.24 | concept10 | litage, thanks for the info |
| 02:59.26 | pablo__ | stoned: sory |
| 02:59.30 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, and thaqt always threw me - most of my lcd screens can do 1024x768 and 1280x1024 - and though I *know* they are different ratios, they never look different |
| 02:59.46 | litage | concept10: np, though i'm not sure if it's very useful for you =P |
| 02:59.50 | x3n0 | i have googled like a mad-man, but to no avail... |
| 03:00.11 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: well, 1024 pixels and 960 pixels aren't _that_ different, so yeah, you don't really notice. but it bugs _me_. since physical monitors tend to measure 4:3, if I'm doing 1280 pixels wide I insist on 960 pixels high |
| 03:00.11 | stoned | concept10: thats not too bad.. I have a copper heatsink with about 10 aluminum fins and a 120mm fan on the back, same arctic silver thermal paste, and my core 2 duo (1.86ghz originally) E6300 is now at 3.5ghz and doesn't top 40-45C |
| 03:00.23 | Guerin | stoned: aluminium! |
| 03:00.25 | stoned | concept10: and 6 heatpipes in this one |
| 03:00.26 | magyar | anyone tried "beryl"? |
| 03:00.30 | concept10 | this laptop is horrible... my sister has the same with AMD chip and the fans dont even come on |
| 03:00.33 | stoned | Guerin: whatever man :) |
| 03:00.38 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 03:00.38 | dpkg | whatever is probably the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 03:00.51 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, I know what you mean - so, no ideas about any sort of scaling with X? |
| 03:01.09 | x3n0 | its a logitech quickcam messenger |
| 03:01.09 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: I already told you - perhaps Xgl can do it, that is something I've never tried, but I don't know of anything else that will |
| 03:01.27 | x3n0 | ID 046d:08f0 |
| 03:01.36 | x3n0 | ... |
| 03:01.42 | x3n0 | any ideas |
| 03:01.45 | stoned | concept10: you could try #hardware and see if you can find any tips on laptop heat reduction |
| 03:01.51 | Guerin | woot, i just found 512MB of DDR400 |
| 03:01.59 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, k, I'll look at it, thx |
| 03:02.02 | stoned | concept10: like I said earlier I don't mess too much with laptop hardware so don't know really |
| 03:02.05 | Guerin | i wonder if it works |
| 03:02.16 | peterS | Guerin: if you find any more of that, feel free to send it my way |
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| 03:02.37 | stoned | peterS: I have 1gb somewhere in the house soon as i find it |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | peterS: i have some 30pin if that'll help ? |
| 03:02.49 | stoned | peterS: and i recently also gave away 1gb of it to my bro in law |
| 03:02.58 | peterS | abrotman: if you have a 512-MB stick in 30 pin I'll be impressed |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | and imight have some EDO somewhere too! |
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| 03:03.13 | peterS | EDO is always good |
| 03:03.14 | abrotman | peterS: more of a "tree" :) |
| 03:03.18 | stoned | abrotman: how old are you? 100? |
| 03:03.19 | stoned | :) |
| 03:03.19 | pablo__ | hi, here are my logs, i am having some kind of trouble http://paste.debian.net/26449 |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | stoned: no |
| 03:03.27 | stoned | duh |
| 03:03.35 | stoned | it was a rhetorical question |
| 03:03.41 | abrotman | i found it in a cabinet at work |
| 03:03.44 | stoned | sweet |
| 03:03.47 | peterS | abrotman: the best use for a 30pin simm is to drill a hole in it and carry it on one's keychain |
| 03:03.47 | stoned | finding things is awesome |
| 03:03.51 | abrotman | FSVO sweet |
| 03:03.58 | Guerin | peterS: it was in random box-o-gear that i took off my co-root's hands as he is leaving the country in an hour or so |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | the sad part is that we have machines that still use EDO :) |
| 03:04.06 | stoned | peterS: i did that with an SDRam stick |
| 03:04.07 | Guerin | i don';;t think there's much else in there |
| 03:04.10 | stoned | 128mb |
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| 03:04.43 | peterS | stoned: even classier would be an RDRAM stick, one of those with like a purple heatsink mounted on it |
| 03:04.50 | concept10 | uh, forget this.. its cool outside, im about to open my window and launch this game. Maybe that will cool my processor. I know I can get at least three maps in before shutdown |
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| 03:06.01 | peterS | concept10: if it's that nice outside you could ... I dunno ... _go outside_ and do something more interesting than a computer game |
| 03:06.12 | Guerin | peterS: don't be silly |
| 03:06.21 | concept10 | Guerin, heh |
| 03:06.39 | stoned | im hungry. I think I will make some bread |
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| 03:06.56 | concept10 | peterS, ive been back and forth in and outside all day pulling CAT 5e |
| 03:06.58 | Gmoliv | how can i take an screenshot from my beryl while rotating the cube ? |
| 03:07.02 | stoned | I got flour all kneaded (whatever word) and now I can make pita out of it, fried |
| 03:07.05 | pablo__ | hi, what can be the source of this problem http://paste.debian.net/26449 |
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| 03:07.11 | stoned | er. i got dough |
| 03:07.11 | peterS | concept10: now that sounds like fun |
| 03:07.34 | Guerin | stoned: i made calzone this morning |
| 03:07.38 | CompWizrd | i still have machines at the office that use simms :( |
| 03:07.39 | concept10 | peterS, in a eight story church! |
| 03:07.42 | Guerin | before my hangover kicked in |
| 03:07.44 | CompWizrd | of the 30 pin variety |
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| 03:07.48 | stoned | concept10: when i was 17 I worked as an electricians helper.. pulling thick big electric cables through pipes.. almost shit myself |
| 03:07.52 | stoned | shat* |
| 03:07.59 | stoned | Guerin: yummy |
| 03:08.02 | Guerin | which is mostly not going to kick in since I don't get them |
| 03:08.02 | peterS | concept10: even better. 8 stories eh? I suppose you have to be careful where you route things so as not to run past your ethernet length limits |
| 03:08.13 | derchris`work | abrotman: done with installing, now rebooting. hope it comes up |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | and i'm about to go :) |
| 03:08.23 | concept10 | peterS, what limit? |
| 03:08.30 | peterS | concept10: 100 meters per cable run |
| 03:08.44 | stoned | unless you find a repeater |
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| 03:08.48 | peterS | concept10: you go longer than that, you're out of spec for twisted pair |
| 03:08.49 | CompWizrd | peterS: got lucky on one cable run, the wire is 327 feet long |
| 03:09.04 | concept10 | peterS, j/k, .... they have alot of wireless access points, thats what i was adding |
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| 03:09.26 | stoned | repeaters make running cat5 easy |
| 03:09.41 | stoned | I did install of a whole building once long time ago at infologix co. |
| 03:09.50 | stoned | 12 floors |
| 03:10.10 | stoned | it sucked balls i tell ya |
| 03:10.16 | concept10 | ive been doing some part time telecom work, it sucks. im going back full time automation in control. I hate messing with cabling |
| 03:10.24 | dondelelcaro | if you don't care about collisions, you can run cat5 over insane distances |
| 03:10.30 | concept10 | *automation and control |
| 03:10.33 | peterS | stoned: if you stick a repeater in the middle I don't count that as a single cable run, I count that as two plus the annoyance of finding a place near A/C power to split them |
| 03:10.34 | dondelelcaro | but don't expect it to be fast |
| 03:10.46 | kramed | anyone using the latest kde on sid? |
| 03:10.56 | stoned | peterS: well yeah |
| 03:10.57 | arencinosa | hi! can someone tell me how to filter with iptables by any u32 field? |
| 03:10.58 | stoned | not a single run |
| 03:10.58 | stoned | no |
| 03:11.01 | derchris`work | abrotman: it is working :) |
| 03:11.02 | Guerin | !anyone use the latest kde on sid? |
| 03:11.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses the latest kde on sid, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:11.05 | CompWizrd | peterS: PoE repeater! |
| 03:11.14 | peterS | CompWizrd: ah but then you have to pay for PoE switches |
| 03:11.23 | CompWizrd | PoE injectors are cheap :) |
| 03:11.31 | peterS | CompWizrd: at some point you just give up and go fibre |
| 03:11.37 | kramed | that was rather pointless |
| 03:11.41 | CompWizrd | linksys told my brother to upgrade the firmware on a PoE injector when the magic liquid leaked out |
| 03:11.52 | stoned | !tell kramed -about ask |
| 03:11.54 | Guerin | kramed: pointless question -> pointless answer |
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| 03:12.01 | concept10 | heh |
| 03:12.03 | stoned | tit for tat? |
| 03:12.04 | stoned | :) |
| 03:12.38 | concept10 | I have used the new KDE on Sid. Its almost as good as the new GNOME on Etch! |
| 03:12.40 | pablo__ | hi, what can be the source of this problem http://paste.debian.net/26449 |
| 03:12.56 | kramed | concept10: are you having any problems with it? |
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| 03:13.21 | concept10 | kramed, uglidity |
| 03:13.36 | kramed | english please, ned |
| 03:14.18 | concept10 | kramed, my only problem is that it was ugly |
| 03:14.30 | peterS | dondelelcaro: there's also the fact that cat5 does not always imply ethernet. other uses for cat5 may have other length limits |
| 03:14.56 | concept10 | stoned, are you in texas? |
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| 03:15.29 | kramed | thanks. thats all I was asking. didnt need the elitist remarks |
| 03:15.51 | Guerin | kramed: what elitist remarks? |
| 03:15.52 | concept10 | kramed, what remark? |
| 03:16.29 | concept10 | kramed, if you have a problem with kde, just state it or ask.. |
| 03:16.33 | kramed | telling me my questions was pointless like that |
| 03:16.41 | stoned | concept10: not anymore |
| 03:16.49 | stoned | concept10: NY |
| 03:16.49 | Guerin | kramed: why? It was. Ask the question you want answered. |
| 03:16.55 | kramed | no problem with kde, I am using 3.5.6 right now but am planning on trying debian tomorrow |
| 03:16.58 | Guerin | do that, and nobody's feelings get hurt |
| 03:17.01 | concept10 | stoned, im about to high tail it up to Virginia |
| 03:17.05 | stoned | concept10: I drove through dallas a few times but couldn't get in touch with ya |
| 03:17.35 | stoned | concept10: cool man come up |
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| 03:17.39 | peterS | kramed: 99 times out of 100, "does anybody use XXX" is pointless because it isn't what you really want to know. chances are you don't really care if we're using something, what you care about is asking some _other_ question related to XXX, only you don't know whether you should bother asking that _other_ question. well, you should. I mean, go straight to the second question, save us all some time. |
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| 03:18.08 | stoned | dude why are we talking about what happened like 10 minutes ago |
| 03:18.17 | stoned | just ask your damn question. |
| 03:18.20 | kramed | heaven forbid someone types "yes I use it" before I ask if it is stable. if I had asked if it was stable in the first place I would have bet money people would have told me it is unstable because it is in sid |
| 03:18.20 | concept10 | stoned, thats too bad. Ive been hitting the hotel bar scene. You would have liked it :) |
| 03:18.29 | stoned | concept10: playing shows? |
| 03:18.37 | stoned | dj? |
| 03:18.48 | ben[tv] | hi! i havnt tried debian, is it good for new? |
| 03:18.51 | stoned | or just partying? |
| 03:18.53 | arencinosa | can someone tell me how to filter with iptables by any u32 field? |
| 03:19.02 | stoned | !tell ben[tv] -about why debian |
| 03:19.05 | Guerin | kramed: and that would be the correct answer. `is it stable' is different to `are there any problems with it' |
| 03:19.06 | peterS | kramed: then combine the two. "Could anyone tell me from actual experience whether kde in sid is currently in a usable state?" |
| 03:19.25 | sky0 | arencinosa: i am not sure what exactly you are asking; in fact i never used u32 + iptables, but have you looked at this: http://www.stearns.org/doc/iptables-u32.current.html ? |
| 03:19.38 | kramed | hahah. jeez |
| 03:19.45 | concept10 | stoned, playing and drinking and partying. I have a friend thats a killer guitarist. Ive been tagging alone and doing some mixing and some drinking. |
| 03:19.46 | ben[tv] | thnx stoned |
| 03:19.58 | concept10 | s/alone/along |
| 03:20.04 | kramed | well thanks for the quick lesson in #debian etiquite |
| 03:20.04 | Guerin | kramed: or you could just get shitty about it like paris hilton |
| 03:20.25 | peterS | hey now, there is no need to bring paris hilton into it |
| 03:20.31 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:20.33 | peterS | she probably uses ubuntu anyway |
| 03:20.35 | Guerin | that was low |
| 03:20.36 | stoned | concept10: I been getting really really good at hydrogen lately |
| 03:20.43 | Guerin | i'm sorry |
| 03:20.48 | stoned | concept10: I actually made some very nice tracks for my song.. goes right along wih the riff |
| 03:21.05 | stoned | still isn't where I want it to be. but im getting better at hydrogen |
| 03:21.09 | stoned | its just tedious you know.. not hard |
| 03:21.17 | concept10 | stoned, yep |
| 03:22.08 | concept10 | stoned, ive been spending my free time trying to make an embedded linux based DSP box just for kicks and giggles |
| 03:22.10 | stoned | one of my favorite southpark episodes is about paris hilton |
| 03:22.16 | stoned | DSP? |
| 03:22.25 | stoned | digital sound production? |
| 03:22.27 | stoned | :) |
| 03:22.31 | concept10 | stoned, processing |
| 03:22.37 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:22.39 | stoned | i was close |
| 03:22.45 | endra | hi stoned |
| 03:22.49 | stoned | hello endra |
| 03:22.59 | concept10 | digital signal processing i meant |
| 03:23.04 | stoned | oh |
| 03:23.10 | stoned | how are you going about building it? |
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| 03:23.40 | stoned | concept10: you're talking about a software based effects processor yes? |
| 03:24.09 | concept10 | stoned, based on gstreamer and LADSPA plugins, python interface to LCD |
| 03:24.18 | stoned | nice |
| 03:24.26 | stoned | I would like to see the finished product |
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| 03:25.00 | arencinosa | sky0: I took a look at your link, but I didn't find what I was expecting: I need you to tell about how to (for instance) mark all packets that come from 10.6.70.10 and goes to port 80 |
| 03:25.08 | arencinosa | sky0: using iptables, of course |
| 03:25.15 | stoned | man soon as i moved the router to my room, signal dropped by 30%ish |
| 03:25.34 | stoned | this router is a client for another AP 3 rooms down.. still only 40% signal |
| 03:25.40 | stoned | this is bullcrap |
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| 03:26.17 | concept10 | stoned, i will send you some pics soon. I basically want a small box, plug in audio inputs and manipulate them with LADSPA, back to output. 5-20 sec boot time. |
| 03:26.46 | stoned | concept10: cool man.. how are you doing the embedded linux os? |
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| 03:27.21 | raf256 | concept10: how about DSL |
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| 03:27.22 | stoned | concept10: processor? ram? gimme some details |
| 03:27.28 | stoned | raf256: embedded dsl costs money afaik |
| 03:27.33 | stoned | raf256: they guys doesn't make it out free.. i think |
| 03:27.35 | raf256 | uhm.. all hardware cost money |
| 03:27.54 | stoned | no, the people who made DSL linux also do embedded devices but they charge a bunch i think |
| 03:28.06 | raf256 | unless you mean Stallinux and have family members in KGB then probably hardware is free as well |
| 03:28.27 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:28.39 | concept10 | stoned, im currently developing on a BS chipset (free) 200mhz Cyrix, 128mb ram, but im moving to ARM soon |
| 03:28.55 | stoned | word man |
| 03:29.07 | stoned | if you build one, nerds will come |
| 03:29.10 | stoned | to see it :) |
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| 03:29.32 | kramed | benchwarmers rules |
| 03:29.39 | stoned | yup |
| 03:29.43 | concept10 | stoned, oh, the best part is that I have Linux BIOS working right now, it boots from power on to busybox in about 10 secs |
| 03:29.45 | stoned | thats where i got that line |
| 03:29.47 | HYPOCRISY | I'll think about it |
| 03:29.54 | stoned | about the park.. if you build it.. nerds will come. |
| 03:30.03 | stoned | concept10: very good |
| 03:30.14 | mikes1 | err nerds |
| 03:30.17 | sky0 | arencinosa: why do you want to do that with a u32 filter? Why not use the "-s source_ip -d dest_ip" from iptables? What are you trying to do? 'mark' specific packets for QoS? |
| 03:30.46 | mikes1 | !dpkg nerds |
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| 03:30.54 | concept10 | stoned, did you but the WRT? |
| 03:30.59 | mikes1 | hmm |
| 03:31.06 | ryty | I'm looking at /etc/init.d/hdparm does anyone know where I can set what it sets on boot? |
| 03:31.13 | arencinosa | sky0: that is exactly what I am looking for!!! a way to use source and port on iptables!! |
| 03:31.22 | stoned | concept10: yes I did.. unfortunatly best buy only had version 6 of the damn router.. its been castrated really |
| 03:31.41 | stoned | concept10: half the flash, half the freaking ram, 16mhz slower processor |
| 03:31.56 | derchris`work | WRT rocks, got a WRT54GS, V1 |
| 03:31.59 | arencinosa | sky0: but I want to filter by source AND port |
| 03:32.00 | stoned | concept10: with VxWorks OS, but i managed to install a linux based firmware on it |
| 03:32.08 | ryty | derchris`work: nice |
| 03:32.10 | arencinosa | sky0: do you know how? |
| 03:32.15 | stoned | concept10: I already had a wrt54g v2 from years ago. which I love |
| 03:32.21 | hark | there's the GL too |
| 03:32.40 | stoned | concept10: I couldn't find a cheap wrt version < 5 |
| 03:32.42 | derchris`work | using DD-WRT on it |
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| 03:32.50 | stoned | concept10: and the GL version was too expensive close to 70$ |
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| 03:32.59 | stoned | I got this for 39.99+tax at best buy |
| 03:33.02 | stoned | oh well, its worth it |
| 03:33.09 | concept10 | stoned, when does that sale end? |
| 03:33.14 | stoned | i dunno |
| 03:33.26 | stoned | I was considering a belkin 7000 |
| 03:33.37 | stoned | but saw this and said, you know what, I can use a linux firmware on it |
| 03:34.13 | derchris`work | the next time I would go for an Asus |
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| 03:34.32 | derchris`work | has the same CPU and stuff as the WRT |
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| 03:34.34 | derchris`work | + USB |
| 03:34.37 | concept10 | stoned, im about to pick up two of these friday: http://www.openzipit.org/Addon_Board/ |
| 03:34.39 | stoned | concept10: however for 45$ it was well worth it |
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| 03:34.55 | stoned | reason being, I have 7 machines, 4 hooked up atm to the 4 port switch |
| 03:35.01 | stoned | cable modem is like 3 rooms down |
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| 03:35.18 | stoned | I would have had to buy 4 wifi NIC plus headaches with linux wifi drivers |
| 03:35.23 | concept10 | that guy has some cool hacks |
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| 03:35.33 | stoned | I was like fuck it, i'll just get a wifi router with a 4 port switch and wire my machines into it and run it in client mode |
| 03:35.39 | stoned | checking link |
| 03:36.11 | stoned | thats nice |
| 03:36.58 | concept10 | its a piece of junk, but it runs linux.. great for learning |
| 03:37.15 | stoned | i'd buy it for 50$ |
| 03:37.29 | sky0 | arencinosa: look at the iptables documentation! -s src_ip -d dest_ip --sport src_port --dport dest_port ; you can use any combination; --[sd]port are only valid when using: -p tcp or -p udp |
| 03:38.13 | Alam_Debian | anyone known about shh-agent and GNOME? and (how could)/why gnome-session go to fail safe mode? |
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| 03:40.01 | twobitsprite | I have iptables accepting connections on certain ports... but when I nmap my external IP, it says "host is down"... |
| 03:40.16 | twobitsprite | I have iptables accepting all icmp packets... not difference... |
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| 03:41.16 | Sweetandy | So I read that the founder of Ubuntu is disappointed that the project has forked so far from Debian that it is growing incompatible with it. What's the cry from the Debian circle? |
| 03:41.53 | enouf | markybob: yet another issue cropped up ~2.6.18/19(?) around certain HP laptops (nxXXXX models(?)) that had to do with excessive heat issues, so ACPI needed auto-disabling in that kernel do resolve temporarily .. hrm .. see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400488 (jump to Steve Langasek's comments, for quick overview) |
| 03:41.56 | gravity | Sweetandy: Where'd you read this? |
| 03:42.01 | enouf | and here's the stupid orig, i recalled reading a month or so ago, that took me 1 hour to find; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404143 |
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| 03:42.27 | enouf | oh .. he's gone .. pfft |
| 03:42.30 | concept10 | enouf, thats the same problem im having, thanks! |
| 03:42.43 | enouf | hey! ;-) |
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| 03:43.57 | Sweetandy | gravity: If I say slashdot, you'll demand a link. |
| 03:44.07 | Sweetandy | gravity: So I made up this qutoe. |
| 03:44.10 | Sweetandy | quote* |
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| 03:44.26 | FordCortina | (using sarge) im trying to find a better command for adding users to groups than usermod -G . i.e. is there a way of adding a user to a group without having to specificy all the groups the user must be in? |
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| 03:44.52 | FordCortina | i dont have usermod -a -G. Is there anything else? |
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| 03:45.08 | FordCortina | just seems a real pain.... |
| 03:45.34 | Azar | Sweetandy: lots of folks are stomping, rolling on the floor, bitching about Debian.. ubuntu folks included |
| 03:45.52 | Nemoder | FordCortina: 'addgroup user group' ? |
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| 03:46.24 | smacnay | Hi, are there any decent console/curses spreadsheet apps? |
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| 03:47.24 | FordCortina | Nemoder: thanks that seemed to work |
| 03:47.26 | Azar | smacnay: uh ... let me think... no? |
| 03:47.42 | smacnay | Azar: hehe - I was afraid of that. |
| 03:47.51 | Azar | smacnay: where there any if you go back in the 80s ? |
| 03:47.59 | stoned | im eating dinner at midnight |
| 03:48.14 | smacnay | Azar: maybe one or two back then. |
| 03:48.20 | Azar | smacnay: I used to use Wordperfect for Dos back in the days... never a spreadsheet |
| 03:48.29 | arencinosa | sky0: thank you very much!! |
| 03:48.44 | arencinosa | sky0: ...but I am getting another issue right now: |
| 03:48.50 | smacnay | Azar: I need something simple that will do basic spreadsheet functions (cell updates, etc.)/ |
| 03:48.56 | Azar | smacnay: I can't recall the old Lotus running on terminal |
| 03:48.59 | arencinosa | sky0: I did `iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -s 10.6.70.10/28 -j MARK --set-mark 6` |
| 03:49.03 | enouf | stoned: just finished mine, not 1 hour ago .. but aren't you in an austrian prison or something :-P |
| 03:49.12 | aredhel | smacnay, you can try oleo, but I don't know if it's decent. |
| 03:49.14 | Azar | smacnay: can't you use the OpenOffice calc? |
| 03:49.16 | Sweetandy | Psst, what's bittorrent's command at the console? |
| 03:49.19 | Nemoder | heh I vaguely remember using Quattro Pro with a text interface |
| 03:49.21 | arencinosa | sky0: and when I do `iptables -t mangle -L -x -v` |
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| 03:49.39 | arencinosa | sky0: I am getting `0 0 MARK tcp -- any any 10.6.70.0/28 anywhere tcp dpt:www MARK set 0x6` |
| 03:49.42 | smacnay | Azar: I can (and am) but really sometimes prefer fast and efficient console apps. |
| 03:49.44 | Azar | stoned: what you having? |
| 03:50.09 | ryty | anyone know how to turn on DMA for a SATA disk using the new SATA layer? |
| 03:50.10 | smacnay | Sweetandy: btdownload or btdownloadcurses |
| 03:50.19 | Azar | smacnay: I work mainly with spreadsheets everyday and never had the joy of encountering one for terminal |
| 03:50.22 | enouf | ryty: it's on automatically |
| 03:50.28 | ryty | enouf: hmm okay |
| 03:50.43 | enouf | ryty: see lnux-ata.org for more info |
| 03:50.47 | enouf | ryty: see linux-ata.org for more info |
| 03:50.55 | smacnay | Azar: there is one I found called 'sc' - seems to work. I will try that. |
| 03:50.58 | Azar | ... and I am faster at it than any application :) |
| 03:51.13 | Azar | smacnay: thanks for the tip I will try it too |
| 03:51.15 | Sweetandy | smacnay: thanks! |
| 03:51.46 | Nemoder | well I suppose if you really wanted oldschool you could run one of the dos apps inside dosbox |
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| 03:52.39 | smacnay | Nemoder: yes, if I could find a dos app. |
| 03:52.49 | smacnay | Nemoder: but no thanks |
| 03:53.19 | Azar | holy cow!! apt-cache search sc filled up a zillion of screens |
| 03:53.48 | Sweetandy | Hmm, how about for the bittorrent, gui version? (bittorrent-gui)? |
| 03:54.01 | lontra | Sweetandy: yup |
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| 03:54.16 | enouf | Azar: use -n |
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| 03:54.24 | elriah | Does etch have graphical booting like ubuntu? |
| 03:54.24 | Sweetandy | lontra: nope |
| 03:54.26 | Azar | I guess it gave me all packages in the repo :) |
| 03:54.29 | Azar | enouf: ah ok |
| 03:54.37 | enouf | Azar: or --names-only |
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| 03:54.52 | isleshocky77 | Is there a command to display all the hardware information (cpu speed/type, ram size, hdd size)? |
| 03:54.54 | lontra | bittorrent-gui - Scatter-gather network file transfer (GUI files) |
| 03:54.59 | Azar | enouf: same thing |
| 03:55.01 | derchris`work | I use torrentflux for bittorrent |
| 03:55.04 | Sweetandy | Can aptitude tell me what command(s) invoke a certain package's binary? |
| 03:55.09 | enouf | !tell isleshocky77 about hwinfo |
| 03:55.26 | lontra | Sweetandy: for bittorrent i like ktorrent ... but if you want a very light weight one i'd recommend transmission |
| 03:55.29 | dondelelcaro | Sweetandy: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 03:55.29 | isleshocky77 | thanks |
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| 03:55.36 | enouf | Azar: was just giving you the long and the short of it ;-) |
| 03:55.36 | Nemoder | Sweetandy: no but you can run dpkg -L package | grep bin |
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| 03:56.04 | Azar | "sc" gives me all packages listed in alphabetical order in the repository :) |
| 03:56.29 | enouf | isleshocky77: might want to also try dmidecode, lshw, and various other "ls..." tools, like lsusb |
| 03:56.48 | cybermad | how to block user that open www.friendster.com with Proxy? |
| 03:56.58 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.00 | Azar | and yes, sc is among them :) sc - Text-based spreadsheet with VI-like keybindings |
| 03:57.06 | arencinosa | the mask needs to be 29 instead of 28 |
| 03:57.10 | Sweetandy | Interesting, thanks guys |
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| 03:57.56 | enouf | Azar: $ apt-cache show sc works fine here ;-p |
| 03:58.14 | tuvwx | does debian's 2.6.18 kernel support the jmicron ide controller? |
| 03:58.14 | enouf | Azar: but i'm running lenny/sid |
| 03:58.58 | enouf | toogreen: yes |
| 03:59.10 | enouf | er tuvwx yes |
| 03:59.20 | tuvwx | endra, great.. thankd |
| 03:59.24 | tuvwx | thanks* |
| 03:59.36 | endra | your welcome |
| 03:59.43 | tuvwx | and how about the marvel Gigabit ethernet controllers? |
| 03:59.54 | tuvwx | oops |
| 03:59.56 | endra | I'll let enouf help you, don't forget to thank me again |
| 03:59.58 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog tuvwx .. help yourself ;-) |
| 04:00.08 | tuvwx | enouf, , great.. thanks |
| 04:00.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:00.40 | tuvwx | endra, you got it.. thanks again :) |
| 04:00.45 | drwahl | i am trying to install the nvidia drivers via nvidia's install, and it is asking for the kernel source tree. what package do i need to satisfy this? |
| 04:00.54 | endra | ;) |
| 04:01.31 | tuvwx | drwahl, linux-source-..., but are you sure the linux-headers-... is not enough? |
| 04:01.39 | hark | drwahl: if you're using a debian kernel, just get the corresponding headers for it |
| 04:01.58 | drwahl | i just did a net install for lenny, nothing unusual |
| 04:02.08 | tuxx | NIOBOOBOOBERRRS |
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| 04:02.28 | drwahl | so it would be: apt-get install linux-kernel-2.6.18-4 correct? |
| 04:02.47 | hark | drwahl: no |
| 04:02.54 | drwahl | oo... source :) |
| 04:02.56 | aubade | 's the easiest way to figure out the classname of a window? |
| 04:03.00 | drwahl | i see the difference now :) |
| 04:03.03 | hark | why don't you just do the one-liner? |
| 04:03.28 | enouf | drwahl: linux-headers-2.6.18.... |
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| 04:03.45 | rahul | insanity |
| 04:03.56 | enouf | ans yes .. listen to others about what/how to do it |
| 04:03.57 | drwahl | ok, does it install them in a wierd place? because the nvidia installer cannot find them |
| 04:04.10 | enouf | s/ans/and |
| 04:04.12 | tuvwx | enouf, apt tells me 2.6.18+6 is the most recent version in testing and unstable. is that the same as 2.6.18-6 in the link you gave? if so then it's a somewhat old kernel |
| 04:04.49 | enouf | tuvwx: erm not really .. |
| 04:05.07 | enouf | tuvwx: 2.6.20 is latest in sid/unstable |
| 04:05.25 | zinx | debian moved to 2.6.20? woe is me :< |
| 04:05.27 | enouf | tuvwx: and likely lenny too |
| 04:05.44 | enouf | zinx: working out some things though .. so |
| 04:05.45 | rahul | fear |
| 04:05.46 | hark | 2.6.20 now, they just haven't updated the linux-image-2.6-arch package to point to it yet... |
| 04:05.51 | maddash | does luks support blowfish? the man page only lists two options - aes128/256 |
| 04:05.54 | hark | !fear |
| 04:05.55 | dpkg | Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200308/Gamatex-1060248783.jpg |
| 04:06.00 | derchris`work | lenny is unstable |
| 04:06.02 | aubade | Nevermind, xprop. Apropos saves the day. d= |
| 04:06.04 | derchris`work | sid is ? |
| 04:06.10 | enouf | oh dear |
| 04:06.12 | derchris`work | testing ? |
| 04:06.12 | zinx | lenny is testing... |
| 04:06.21 | zinx | sid is unstable, now, and forever |
| 04:06.24 | centrx | sid is unstable |
| 04:06.27 | enouf | !releases |
| 04:06.30 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 04:06.32 | centrx | sid is permanently the name of unstable |
| 04:06.40 | rahul | wow, this shit is crazy. |
| 04:06.43 | derchris`work | ohh, other way arround :) |
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| 04:07.07 | rahul | I feel like playing more devil may cry |
| 04:07.20 | tuvwx | enouf, hmm.. right. it's not the default kernel but it's available in unstable indeed, not in testing though |
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| 04:07.45 | enouf | tuvwx: haven't looked lately ;-) |
| 04:07.59 | sky0 | arencinosa: you are welcome; i like 'ipcalc' when dealing with anything but /24, /16 or /8 masks |
| 04:08.04 | tuvwx | and what's the kenrel on the netinst image? |
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| 04:08.30 | enouf | tuvwx: but .. that changelog, if you care to read, you'll notice the latest entries pertain to 2.6.20-2 |
| 04:08.42 | enouf | tuvwx: 2.6.18-4 |
| 04:08.50 | enouf | wel .. the Etch one |
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| 04:09.43 | tuvwx | and the daily snapshot? |
| 04:10.06 | tuvwx | installing using 2.6.18-4 via an ide cdrom is going to be tricky |
| 04:10.10 | mikes1 | I am cruz'n with "Lenny" |
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| 04:10.55 | enouf | tuvwx: notice there were fixes (alan cox) for the 2.6.18-4 kernel, then i guess the new libata stuff broke somethings a bit again (concerning jmicron) which since have been fixed again in 2.6.20-2 .. search that page for "jmicron" |
| 04:11.15 | arencinosa | sky0: haha, right now there is someone else sugesting me sipcalc :) |
| 04:11.23 | maddash | damn aes |
| 04:11.35 | tuvwx | enouf, i did. it says 2.6.20 has a fix for jmicron to play nicely with libata |
| 04:11.47 | enouf | ok .. so? |
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| 04:11.58 | tuvwx | enouf, that's why i'm looking for a netinst image with a newer kernel |
| 04:12.05 | enouf | keep looking for further entries |
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| 04:13.58 | enouf | tuvwx: you can always upgrade the kernel .. if you have trouble even getting the drive noticed, the you need businesscard , or netboot (not netinstall) .. OR, you can upgrade the kernel during install (partly through) |
| 04:14.48 | hark | tuvwx: i don't think you're not going to find one. just install and upgrade |
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| 04:15.27 | enouf | netinstall never allowed for sid installations (directly) .. afaik |
| 04:15.49 | hark | in expert mode, maybe |
| 04:16.02 | enouf | hark: not even .. afaik |
| 04:16.12 | tuvwx | well i think i'll have to try with some generic-ide kernel option |
| 04:16.16 | enouf | hark: netboot .. yes |
| 04:16.26 | enouf | hark: businesscard, yes |
| 04:16.47 | enouf | maybe even debootstrap ;-) |
| 04:16.53 | hark | !find linux-image-2.6.20 lenny |
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| 04:17.07 | tuvwx | hark, it's in sid only |
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| 04:17.35 | enouf | tuvwx: have you even tried with a daily build netinstaller yet? |
| 04:17.37 | markybob | note that there's a nasty bug for mcp51 in 2.6.20 that causes the system to not boot |
| 04:18.05 | tuvwx | enouf, i'm waiting for my hardware to arrive :/ just trying to be ready for it when it comes |
| 04:18.07 | enouf | markybob: there ain't no shortage .. even forcedeth is b0rked |
| 04:18.24 | tuvwx | markw, that's for nvidia chipsets, right? |
| 04:18.31 | markybob | tuvwx: yes |
| 04:18.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.6.20' returned no results. |
| 04:18.45 | enouf | tuvwx: well.. kinda smart to prepare, i give you that .. start reading the i-g , changelogs,. BTS, etc ;-) |
| 04:18.53 | hark | oh thank you dpkg ;) |
| 04:19.05 | enouf | hehe |
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| 04:19.26 | tuvwx | hark, i was faster! |
| 04:19.42 | tuvwx | markybob, i'll have the P965, so no worries there |
| 04:19.47 | hark | !cookie tuvwx |
| 04:19.48 | enouf | markybob: (i said previously)--> markybob: yet another issue cropped up ~2.6.18/19(?) around certain HP laptops (nxXXXX models(?)) that had to do with excessive heat issues, so ACPI needed auto-disabling in that kernel do resolve temporarily .. hrm .. see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400488 (jump to Steve Langasek's comments, for quick overview) |
| 04:20.10 | enouf | and --> markybob and here's the stupid orig, i recalled reading a month or so ago, that took me 1 hour to find; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404143 |
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| 04:20.51 | markybob | enouf: heh, thanks. sucks that you cant win with nvidia nor ati chipsets :) |
| 04:20.52 | tuvwx | is dpkg making a joke about my nick?! |
| 04:21.31 | tuvwx | markybob, are there any problems with ati chipsets too? |
| 04:21.52 | enouf | there's always issues with hardware and vendors |
| 04:21.54 | markybob | tuvwx: i've had problems with some ati sata not being supported |
| 04:21.58 | tuvwx | people seem to like the x1250 over the g965 |
| 04:22.27 | enouf | it's always a game of 'catchup' |
| 04:22.41 | tuvwx | enouf, for chipsets such problems are critical |
| 04:22.58 | tuvwx | i mean graphics can alwasy work with vesa |
| 04:23.06 | enouf | no kidding .. complain to your chipset manu |
| 04:23.33 | tuvwx | fortunately i'll be using an intel chipset |
| 04:24.16 | tuvwx | shipping is too slow in canada :( |
| 04:24.17 | slakmagik | would there be a problem making a symlink in /etc to the /boot/grub junk? Web search turns up that microhat apparently does that, or did, but I dunno if it might do something weird on debian. |
| 04:24.17 | enouf | or don't buy their crap .. vote with your wallets , and stop using ndiscrapper :-P |
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| 04:24.35 | tuvwx | at least ground shipping |
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| 04:24.43 | Vasistha | slakmagik: probably not, but why would you want/need this? |
| 04:25.20 | slakmagik | don't need it - it just bugs me - config files belong in /etc and that's what I start typing. :) |
| 04:26.22 | enouf | erm .. that's debian specific IIRC.. but maybe something does need to be done about the FHS there ..i forget |
| 04:27.00 | enouf | well .. not just debian |
| 04:27.23 | slakmagik | yeah, reading the policy manual about the fhs reminded me of it |
| 04:27.29 | enouf | heck .. some distros use /boot/grub/grub.conf instead of /menu.lst |
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| 04:28.26 | slakmagik | yeah, that's what I understand RH has, but that's the one major distro that's never hit my hard drive. |
| 04:28.30 | enouf | create a /boot partition and have fun with /boot/boot/grub/grub.conf on those others.. lol |
| 04:28.35 | slakmagik | the grub.conf, I mean |
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| 04:29.23 | enouf | it's not a perfect world (sigh) .. what can one say |
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| 04:29.37 | slakmagik | yep |
| 04:31.14 | slakmagik | well, thanks - only problem I *see* is a broken symlink to clean up if I were to switch grub out so I'll go for it. |
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| 04:33.03 | enouf | slakmagik: also note the symlinks in / .. that point to initrd, and vmlinuz, and check /etc/kernel-img.conf and see that man page |
| 04:33.03 | Azar | man this page about Debian is so neat! http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian << on the bottom you got all versions with which supports what and packages versions |
| 04:35.22 | slakmagik | yeah, I'd noticed the / symlinks - don't seem to have a kernel-img.conf or its man page, though. |
| 04:35.25 | Azar | hehe postfix version on potato: 19991231 |
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| 04:36.41 | Vasistha | Azar: yeah, distrowatch is a neat page -- it's actually what led me to debian! |
| 04:37.07 | Azar | Vasistha: looking at buzz, it actually had all packages needed to run it. nu fuss no buzz |
| 04:38.51 | Vasistha | slakmagik: another thing you can do is a --bind mount, esp. if you want all the files in a dir |
| 04:38.51 | Azar | that chart is good to show off to anyone new wanting to know what debian stable has to offer |
| 04:38.52 | Vasistha | !dw |
| 04:38.52 | dpkg | Troubled, you dell whore. |
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| 04:39.07 | slakmagik | thanks - think I'll just stick to the symlink, though - AFAIR, I've only needed to mess with menu.lst, so I did an 'ln -s /boot/grub/menu.lst grub.conf' |
| 04:39.17 | enouf | slakmagik: you're using debian? |
| 04:39.35 | slakmagik | at the moment at least :) |
| 04:39.52 | enouf | hrm .. custom kerenl? |
| 04:39.54 | slakmagik | aren't you? I would have thought most everyone in here was |
| 04:40.14 | enouf | slakmagik: the missing file and man pages make me suspect is all |
| 04:40.17 | slakmagik | nope - stock - main reason I'm using debian at the moment is being tired of compiling stuff |
| 04:40.22 | slakmagik | ah, I see |
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| 04:40.59 | rue_mohr | ok, I have a potato install I need to update, not reinstall |
| 04:41.13 | enouf | slakmagik: etch? |
| 04:41.24 | rue_mohr | apt is pulling the dynamic mmap problem and the line I have for apt.conf isn't working |
| 04:41.37 | slakmagik | I forget how I installed but I think it was a netinst that I gradually built up - yeah, it was sarge that I dist-upgraded to testing and then switched back to stable when it became etch |
| 04:42.06 | Nutssh | I've got a quick question about glibc2.5. How dangerous is the upgrade from 2.3.6? |
| 04:42.26 | enouf | slakmagik: hrm .. uname -r says? |
| 04:42.41 | enouf | slakmagik: and apt-cache policy libc6 says? |
| 04:42.43 | slakmagik | do we have the exact right name? I can't find it in the package database and google doesn't even return anything, which is odd |
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| 04:43.30 | enouf | slakmagik: file:///etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 04:43.32 | slakmagik | 2.6.18-4-686 and 'Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13' among other things - what is the important part from apt-cache? |
| 04:43.43 | Azar | slakmagik: your /etc/apt/sources.list file must look interesting |
| 04:43.45 | slakmagik | that should be an athlon now, I just haven't rebooted :) |
| 04:43.55 | rue_mohr | yea, the line that dpkg suggests isn't working |
| 04:43.57 | Vasistha | rue_mohr: hmm, the dynamic mmap problem often occurs when the package list has grown larger than the cache limit. I have a line that looks like this: APT::Cache-Limit "20100200"; |
| 04:43.59 | enouf | heh .. doh |
| 04:44.12 | slakmagik | it's the default except for switching branches, I think |
| 04:44.18 | rue_mohr | Vasistha, yea, the source only has main |
| 04:44.44 | slakmagik | 'deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main' and similar for deb-src and security |
| 04:45.39 | Vasistha | rue_mohr: well, do you have a limit listed somewhere? Is it possible it might be exceeding it? I'm pretty sure even main has grown significantly since potato |
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| 04:46.26 | indraveni | hi, how can I block users to use the command "sudo passwd root", as there is no security for my root password if this command is working |
| 04:46.42 | enouf | slakmagik: well once you install a newer kernel that file should be created .. but that file comes from kernel-package |
| 04:47.22 | enouf | though it should be there aleady, i suppose, it also updates your initrd, iirc |
| 04:47.42 | tuvwx | indraveni, only users allowed to run with root privileges can do that. you set the privileges in /etc/sudoers using visudo |
| 04:47.54 | slakmagik | Oh, I'm blind as a bat - I typed 'image' instead of 'img'. It's there. |
| 04:47.59 | slakmagik | sorry |
| 04:48.30 | enouf | heh .. |
| 04:48.39 | tuvwx | indraveni, besides, you can set what programs users can run as root |
| 04:48.42 | enouf | we've all done that |
| 04:48.49 | enouf | at one time or another |
| 04:49.23 | Nergar | what are the 3 names of debian? |
| 04:49.38 | enouf | !branch |
| 04:49.38 | dpkg | i guess branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
| 04:49.39 | Nergar | stable, unstable and what?? |
| 04:49.39 | indraveni | tuvwx, we have done some hardcoding so that the new users added will be added under the admin group, this is to give the devices support to all the users |
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| 04:49.48 | Nergar | enouf, thnx |
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| 04:50.42 | indraveni | tuvwx, then, how can I block the users to use this particular command? if I change the group of the users from admin, then they cannot work with the plug and play devices |
| 04:50.48 | tuvwx | indraveni, what devices do they need? there are specific groups for particular devices, e.g. camera, sound...etc |
| 04:51.01 | Nutssh | indigoblu, users can be in more than one group. |
| 04:51.19 | enouf | indraveni: add them to "plugdev" group? |
| 04:51.40 | indraveni | tuvwx, yes camera, sound, scanner etc |
| 04:51.40 | Nutssh | Just add them to the group(s) that own the device files. Eg, I am in group audio,video,camera,dip,cderom,dialout. |
| 04:52.05 | tuvwx | indraveni, these are group names :), also what enouf said (plugdev group) |
| 04:52.05 | enouf | USER -- dialout cdrom floppy audio video netdev plugdev powerdev |
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| 04:52.57 | rue_mohr | heh, apt cant upgrade a new potato isntall hehe |
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| 04:53.32 | tuvwx | indraveni, if users are in the admin group, they probably wouldn't need sudo to screw the system |
| 04:54.10 | indraveni | tuvwx, yes, |
| 04:54.40 | indraveni | tuvwx, enouf thankyou, i will try to do something with the points explained by you, |
| 04:54.52 | Nutssh | Any news on my question.. How dangerous is a glibc 2.3.6 --> 2.5-4 upgrade? (And why is it held back by 'freeze'? |
| 04:54.56 | tuvwx | indraveni, good luck |
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| 04:55.15 | Nutssh | Oops, tab completion indigoblu != indraveni. |
| 04:55.16 | enouf | Nergar: there were some issues ;-) |
| 04:55.23 | enouf | er Nutssh |
| 04:55.32 | enouf | oops here too |
| 04:55.38 | Nutssh | hmms? How bad/dangerous? |
| 04:55.42 | Nergar | lol |
| 04:55.43 | Nergar | np |
| 04:55.55 | tuvwx | too many people here with the same first letters.. |
| 04:56.10 | Nutssh | Yeah. |
| 04:56.12 | enouf | Nutssh: it's supposed to be 2.6.x IINM, and got reverted to 2.5.4, which is safe |
| 04:57.31 | Nutssh | Any idea when the freeze will expire? |
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| 04:57.50 | Nutssh | Thanks. Most recent xserver-xorg and sqlite3 want 2.5-4. |
| 04:58.45 | enouf | Nutssh: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/glibc.html and view the changelog, eyc |
| 04:58.48 | enouf | er etc |
| 04:59.18 | enouf | follow the links to any bugs/BTS |
| 04:59.32 | enouf | Nutssh: when it's done? ;-) |
| 04:59.50 | Nutssh | I did. Only a couple bugs on 2.5-1. |
| 05:00.39 | enouf | Nutssh: could also see lists.debian.org |
| 05:01.03 | Nutssh | Only thing of note in the debian changelog is 'new upstream version 2.5'. I read elsewhere that this version uses NPTL, so I guess that means its kernel 2.6.x only. |
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| 05:01.14 | enouf | not certain which list that would fall under though .. maybe debian-devel-announce, and others |
| 05:01.28 | Thunderguy | Would a switch from Debian Testing to Stable, be an easy one? |
| 05:01.43 | Vasistha | Thunderguy: unfortunately not |
| 05:01.50 | enouf | Thunderguy: er, .. that;s a downgrade |
| 05:02.13 | enouf | Thunderguy: when did you last upgrade? |
| 05:02.23 | Thunderguy | I've got a slight predicament, when Xorg 7.0 came into testing my r200 video card went off the market |
| 05:03.01 | Thunderguy | I haven't upgraded in probably a year, was thinking of doing Ubuntu, but when I think about it resetting up a system might upset me |
| 05:03.07 | enouf | if you didn't upgrade (or update, but that's only a cache issue) after say April 7th, just changing your sources.list will suffice |
| 05:03.20 | smacnay | Azar: aptitude show sc |
| 05:03.26 | Vasistha | Thunderguy: sounds like you want to downgrade from stable to oldstable, not from testing to stable |
| 05:03.54 | Thunderguy | Well I might as well buy a new video card... but more importantly I want an easy way to move, here is the problem |
| 05:04.29 | Thunderguy | I wanna cache everything ( such as keeping backups of all packages ) which I do with apt-proxy and write them to a cd. |
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| 05:05.14 | Thunderguy | but if I change distro's those packages won't work, is there a way I can get a package list, an auto-magically get apt to download all those packages for me at once from a different source? |
| 05:05.26 | Thunderguy | s/an/and |
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| 05:05.53 | Vasistha | Thunderguy: dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:06.23 | Vasistha | Thunderguy: of course, that's not going to keep track of which were automatically installed in order to satisfy dependencies :P |
| 05:07.54 | psyche_ | need help with beryl |
| 05:08.02 | Nutssh | enouf, thanks.. I think I'll take a chance with unstable glibc. |
| 05:08.18 | psyche_ | ./configure --prefix=/usr/X11R6 <-- that should work according to INSTALL manual |
| 05:08.40 | psyche_ | configure stops error: X is required, but it was either disabled or not found. |
| 05:09.33 | derchris`work | --prefix is where you are going to install it later |
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| 05:11.11 | Vasistha | psyche_: maybe you need libx11-dev ? |
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| 05:11.39 | psyche_ | Vasistha ill try, that didnt give error about that though... |
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| 05:13.27 | derchris`work | there are packages available for debian for beryl |
| 05:13.50 | derchris`work | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian |
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| 05:14.05 | psyche_ | Vasistha same error |
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| 05:14.21 | Vasistha | psyche_: yeah, you should click derchris`work's link |
| 05:14.33 | psyche_ | i already clicked |
| 05:15.10 | Nutssh | *sighs in relief* glibc upgraded successfully. |
| 05:15.50 | derchris`work | did you made a distro-update, or only glibc from testing ? |
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| 05:16.11 | Nutssh | Only glibc from testing to unstable. |
| 05:16.34 | Nutssh | (well, glibc, and the other required dependencies... locales, glibc-dev, that sort of thing) |
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| 05:17.05 | derchris`work | the current boinc client also req. glibc 2.5 |
| 05:17.25 | Nutssh | broken glibc is not fun to repair. |
| 05:18.36 | derchris`work | but you could compile it by yourself, install it to for ex. to /usr/local/glibc6, and then set LD_PRELOADER for every application which needs glibc 2.5 |
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| 05:20.18 | Nutssh | Its a dependency problem. xserver-xorg got a bug about 5 months ago, and its only fixed in the latest unstable package... which requires 2.5 |
| 05:20.20 | derchris`work | sorry, LD_PRELOAD, not PRELOADER |
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| 05:22.26 | Nutssh | LD_PRELOAD is fun. I once used it to chat at progressquest. |
| 05:22.32 | Nutssh | s/chat/cheat/ |
| 05:23.03 | enouf | derchris`work: what/how would you implement that? .. set an alias in .bashrc for the app? |
| 05:23.17 | Nutssh | Or dispatch it via a shell script. |
| 05:23.19 | enouf | er .. a script? |
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| 05:25.03 | derchris`work | enouf: you could to it like this: |
| 05:25.27 | derchris`work | LD_PRELOAD=path_to_libc.so.6 ./application |
| 05:26.17 | derchris`work | that on the shell |
| 05:26.31 | enouf | derchris`work: no export? .. oh, since it's ran/read during login, no export necessary ;_P |
| 05:26.35 | Vasistha | maybe you would want to export it? |
| 05:27.12 | derchris`work | not if you only have like a hand full of applications which really needs glibc2.5 or higher |
| 05:27.46 | enouf | derchris`work: well, if you install to say /usr/local/glibc .. where whould path_to_libc.so.6 be? generally |
| 05:27.53 | derchris`work | then I would try to run these with the preload, instead of updating the wholew system |
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| 05:28.28 | derchris`work | /usr/local/glibc/lib/libc.so.6 |
| 05:28.37 | enouf | would that path need to be added to /etc/ld.so.conf? |
| 05:28.42 | enouf | oh .. ok |
| 05:28.59 | enouf | thanks derchris`work |
| 05:29.01 | derchris`work | updating glibc is ... kinda ... scary |
| 05:30.09 | Vasistha | erm, I think you do need 'export': echo 'echo $foo' >test.sh; chmod u+x test.sh; foo=5; ./test.sh; export foo; ./test.sh; |
| 05:30.09 | enouf | heh .. no joke |
| 05:30.10 | derchris`work | why would I need export ? |
| 05:30.15 | derchris`work | I set the env "on-the-fly" |
| 05:30.50 | Vasistha | well, if my example doesn't illustrate my point, then I am without an answer ;) |
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| 05:32.44 | enouf | i always liked the way rick ocazek (the cars) sang/annuciated "you think you're so illustrious" in "bye, bye love" |
| 05:34.16 | enouf | come to think of it, haven't heard that song in a while.. nice song though, tasty licks ;-) |
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| 05:34.52 | derchris`work | Vasistha: run your example, and then this: foo=7 ./test.sh |
| 05:34.53 | starz | ever get 'bad bencoded data from tracker' error on cli or other torrent client? |
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| 05:35.46 | Vasistha | derchris`work: well, see, I don't already have the LD_PRELOAD env var set. |
| 05:35.57 | eps | has some one written a quick guide to getting nvidia drivers working under 2.6.20? |
| 05:36.26 | Pons | guys, i'm getting this mysql after an abnormal shutdown of my machine: Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Incorrect file format 'host' |
| 05:36.40 | Pons | mysql 5.0.32-Debian etch |
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| 05:37.25 | Vasistha | Pons: have you run an fsck? also, it may be a good question for #mysql |
| 05:37.30 | enouf | Pons: run fsck? |
| 05:38.07 | Pons | i asked at #mysql, but as my google search said, there is just one unresolved case and with my same version of mysql in debian |
| 05:38.09 | Nutssh | Thanks. |
| 05:38.10 | Pons | gonna run fsck |
| 05:38.42 | enouf | Nutssh: glad it worked out for ya |
| 05:38.50 | Nutssh | Me too. |
| 05:39.08 | Pons | how could i run fsck in the same system while mounted, because it is a remote system and i can't reboot.. i loose ssh connection |
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| 05:39.36 | Nutssh | Pons, if its not the root partitian, you can unmount it. |
| 05:39.42 | ubd | how can i increase priorty of a pid |
| 05:39.52 | enouf | ubd: renice |
| 05:39.54 | Pons | Nutssh, it is |
| 05:40.01 | derchris`work | Vasistha: ok, here is better example for you |
| 05:40.04 | Nutssh | I think I once tried to fsck a read-only mounted partitian. It wasn't pretty and didn't work. |
| 05:40.05 | derchris`work | echo 'echo $blublub' >test.sh; chmod u+x test.sh; blublub=25 ./test.sh; |
| 05:40.19 | enouf | Pons: it just shutdown! .. shutdown -rF |
| 05:40.32 | Nutssh | Check dmesg, see if it has any complaints about the filesystem. |
| 05:40.57 | Nutssh | It might be that mysql's files were corrupted but the filesystem is fine. |
| 05:41.08 | ubd | enouf: lower nice - higher priority right? |
| 05:41.08 | Pons | that's what i think |
| 05:41.12 | Vasistha | derchris`work: ahh, I see, indeed! That's an interesting bash syntax I wasn't familiar with! |
| 05:41.27 | enouf | i'm getting this mysql after an abnormal shutdown of my machine: <--oh yes you can ;-P .. and your system will do it without your approval ..again! |
| 05:41.30 | Vasistha | ubd: yes, that's correct |
| 05:41.38 | Pons | dmesg shows nothing about any problems on the main hd |
| 05:42.06 | Nutssh | Check the mysql logs.. Also, doesn't mysql have a recovery tool? |
| 05:42.13 | Pons | duno |
| 05:42.14 | Pons | dunno |
| 05:42.25 | Nutssh | mysqlcheck? Do a google search. |
| 05:42.26 | Vasistha | these are really good questions for #mysql ;) |
| 05:42.27 | stoned | omg man |
| 05:42.35 | stoned | I left my damn wifi net open |
| 05:42.45 | enouf | leakage? |
| 05:42.47 | stoned | i had 4 clients god knows who my speed dropped and i was like |
| 05:42.47 | stoned | wtf |
| 05:42.48 | derchris`work | now you gots lot of porn :) |
| 05:42.52 | stoned | so i closed it |
| 05:43.02 | stoned | enabled mac filtering agian and setup wpa2 |
| 05:43.05 | stoned | whoo |
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| 05:43.17 | stoned | 10 minutes of open wifi, thats not good |
| 05:43.22 | Nutssh | 'driftnet -i eth1' |
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| 05:43.37 | stoned | did a site survey, there are about 7 open wireless networks around my apartments |
| 05:43.41 | stoned | no security whatsoever |
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| 05:44.23 | Vasistha | stoned: last I checked I could see 6 wireless networks here, all but one of them secured |
| 05:44.32 | stoned | its sad really |
| 05:44.54 | stoned | i mean if i wanted to so some illegal shit i'd use other APs |
| 05:44.56 | stoned | but i don't |
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| 05:45.21 | maddash | what kind of "illegal shit" could possibly take place? |
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| 05:45.36 | Vasistha | uploading mp3's via bittorrent? |
| 05:46.00 | maddash | that's illegal? |
| 05:46.01 | Vasistha | surfing for child porn? |
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| 05:46.13 | stoned | !seen toyd |
| 05:46.13 | dpkg | toyd <i=Toyd@207-37-215.ftth.xms.internl.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 29m 31s ago, saying: ';P'. |
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| 05:46.34 | stoned | isn't this cat banned from here? |
| 05:46.47 | stoned | he was trollin here right? |
| 05:46.51 | stoned | iirc |
| 05:46.52 | maddash | who the feck is toyd? |
| 05:46.55 | Vasistha | stoned: I'm pretty sure I saw someone banning him again the other day |
| 05:47.19 | laughing_at_you | can someone help me with puppy linux? |
| 05:47.29 | maddash | laughing_at_you: yes |
| 05:47.43 | Vasistha | laughing_at_you: well, probably not in here, this channel is for #debian |
| 05:47.50 | Vasistha | erm, s/#// |
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| 05:48.08 | hark | laughing_at_you: try #puppy |
| 05:48.27 | laughing_at_you | it's #puppylinux |
| 05:48.28 | hark | or #puppylinux |
| 05:48.42 | maddash | laughing_at_you: so why the feck even ask here? |
| 05:48.43 | ttuuxxx | whats puppy linux laughing_at_you |
| 05:49.12 | stoned | that toyd character is being a tool right now in #beryl lol |
| 05:49.13 | hark | laughing_at_you: then you know! |
| 05:49.14 | laughing_at_you | the best linux distro ever, debian is shit compared to it |
| 05:49.27 | stoned | now he says he has no idea who trolled using his nick its hilarious |
| 05:49.39 | ttuuxxx | isn't puppy linux better than debian laughing_at_you |
| 05:49.42 | starz | lol |
| 05:49.44 | stoned | he said hes never been on freenode before haha im laughin my balls off |
| 05:49.54 | starz | i think laughing_at_you is stoned |
| 05:50.15 | laughing_at_you | debian is the lamest distro ever compared to puppy linux |
| 05:50.25 | laughing_at_you | i wish i was stoned |
| 05:50.30 | stoned | laughing_at_you: well thats like.. your opinion .. man |
| 05:50.32 | hark | laughing_at_you: well, enough trolling now |
| 05:50.39 | stoned | laughing_at_you: and frankly no one gives a fuck about it |
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| 05:50.48 | ttuuxxx | <----- agrees with laughing_at_you about puppy, so can i get some puppy linux help in here???? or wha |
| 05:51.13 | stoned | !ops laughing_at_you is being obnoxious and trolling extreme offtopic |
| 05:51.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: stoned complains about: laughing_at_you is being obnoxious and trolling extreme offtopic |
| 05:51.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 05:51.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-141-149-147-76.buff.east.verizon.net] by mentor |
| 05:51.38 | *** kick/#debian [laughing_at_you!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 05:51.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 05:51.43 | ttuuxxx | how do i uninstall debian and install puppy linux???? |
| 05:51.48 | mentor | Does puppy linux really exist? |
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| 05:51.55 | starz | yes mentor |
| 05:51.56 | creamdog | yeah |
| 05:51.57 | ttuuxxx | yes mentor |
| 05:52.00 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 05:52.00 | maddash | mentor: i've used it. |
| 05:52.02 | stoned | mentor: hi thank god |
| 05:52.05 | starz | its kinda like damnsmalllinux |
| 05:52.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@202.43.235.247] by mentor |
| 05:52.13 | *** kick/#debian [ttuuxxx!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 05:52.14 | creamdog | with puppies! |
| 05:52.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 05:52.25 | mentor | Does it have a Puppy Splash when you boot up? |
| 05:52.26 | starz | go go mentor :> |
| 05:52.50 | mentor | I should have noticed him on the first pass. |
| 05:52.56 | starz | dont think so.. |
| 05:53.09 | starz | dunno didnt work with my hardware so didnt work for me lol |
| 05:53.14 | creamdog | maybe it shits in your sock drawer but then it is so cute you cant really get mad at it ;p |
| 05:53.17 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 05:53.29 | stoned | finally got 4 debian boxes installed and connected |
| 05:53.36 | starz | nice :3 |
| 05:53.40 | stoned | almsot 2am now i can finally sleep |
| 05:53.45 | stoned | tomorrow i work on my ppc box |
| 05:53.47 | starz | lol sleep well then |
| 05:53.48 | mentor | 0200? pah. |
| 05:53.59 | mentor | I've been working since yesterday, and its 0600 |
| 05:54.01 | sep | stoned, lucky you it's 07:53 here and no more sleep at all |
| 05:54.12 | stoned | mentor: i used to do that too |
| 05:54.12 | mentor | I've got 6 more hours to finish this lab report. |
| 05:54.25 | stoned | i took a semester off |
| 05:54.26 | stoned | :) |
| 05:54.32 | stoned | no job either atm |
| 05:54.44 | starz | heh |
| 05:54.44 | stoned | i could stay up, im just kinda sleepy atm |
| 05:54.57 | mentor | I wish I could do it the sensible way |
| 05:55.01 | starz | i'm tryihng to get abunch of old compys from a friends parents business as they have since upgraded |
| 05:55.15 | mentor | I'm up when I'm up and down when I'm down, so I have to roll with it |
| 05:55.16 | starz | was thinking about trying cluster-stuff :> |
| 05:55.23 | stoned | starz: those are always the best.. get like 10 of the same kind or not, and cluster em |
| 05:55.27 | stoned | yeh word |
| 05:55.28 | starz | yeah |
| 05:55.45 | starz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.47 | maddash | stoned: distcc? |
| 05:56.10 | stoned | nah openmosix |
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| 05:57.15 | Gekkko | why you be so mean |
| 05:57.16 | Gekkko | thats mean. |
| 05:57.31 | maddash | Gekkko: who the feck are you? |
| 05:57.43 | Gekkko | I am Gekkko, the all mighty. |
| 05:57.55 | Gekkko | fear my MySQL errors! |
| 05:58.27 | maddash | how I wish that LUKS supported blowfish |
| 05:58.39 | Gekkko | lol |
| 05:58.48 | Gekkko | I make errors. |
| 05:58.59 | Gekkko | I don't like debian, mainly because it doesnt like me |
| 05:59.00 | mentor | Hmmm, someone wrote an article noting that in a cluster, it may be more efficient to swap out to another node than to disk. |
| 05:59.03 | Gekkko | with its perl and its locales |
| 05:59.03 | Gekkko | >_>! |
| 05:59.11 | mentor | perl likes nobody |
| 05:59.13 | maddash | stoned: that's like a "GNU Xgrid," right? |
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| 05:59.17 | Vasistha | Gekkko: are you here to get help with debian, or just to complain? |
| 05:59.24 | Gekkko | both |
| 05:59.30 | Gekkko | complain while assisting |
| 05:59.31 | Gekkko | :P |
| 06:00.02 | mentor | I suggest you do some assiting then |
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| 06:00.22 | maddash | doesn't anyone here use luks? or am I caveman? |
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| 06:00.34 | stoned | mentor: is there anyway to report an abusive user on freenode or would they simply suggest /ignore |
| 06:00.47 | Vasistha | maddash: I once set up an encrypted partition, but I never set up luks :P |
| 06:00.51 | mentor | stoned: You can talk to the staff. |
| 06:01.14 | arejay | stoned, /stats p |
| 06:01.19 | stoned | thank you |
| 06:01.48 | Vasistha | stoned: or /who *freenode/staff* |
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| 06:02.16 | Vasistha | ( in the somewhat likely event that noone's on /stats p ) |
| 06:02.26 | stoned | this Toyd character who was banned from here keeps following me around from channel to channel making up lies and stuff |
| 06:02.33 | mentor | I prefer having the choice to just not listen to people. |
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| 06:02.56 | stoned | i also believe in selective ignorance being bliss |
| 06:02.57 | stoned | :) |
| 06:03.07 | maddash | Vasistha: ah, so i'm a homo sapien to the rest of these cro magnons, eh? |
| 06:03.09 | Vasistha | stoned: I'm pretty sure there's a way to hide your chans from other users |
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| 06:04.30 | starz | O: |
| 06:04.35 | starz | go go openoffice! |
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| 06:05.52 | stoned | go go power rangers |
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| 06:06.07 | stoned | daaa naaa naa naa naa naa go go power rangers |
| 06:06.16 | stoned | mighty morphin power rangers! dananana |
| 06:06.40 | stoned | I haven't seen power rangers in almost 14 years |
| 06:06.42 | mentor | +i |
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| 06:07.43 | stoned | how do i set +i on my nick |
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| 06:07.53 | stoned | +i == invisible im guessing? |
| 06:08.31 | mentor | yes |
| 06:08.40 | stoned | is it /mode stoned +i? |
| 06:08.42 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.47 | sep | aye |
| 06:08.48 | stoned | word |
| 06:08.51 | stoned | thank you |
| 06:09.07 | starz | hey there arnt any players for hd-dvd and blu-ray for linux are there? gotta decode and copy first neh? |
| 06:09.47 | Vasistha | starz: prolly gonna have to wait a little while for that, it's pretty new technology |
| 06:09.53 | mentor | Yes, someone just applied to the LA for some player keys... |
| 06:09.59 | starz | Vasistha: good |
| 06:10.16 | starz | gives em new 'legit' reasons to try to crack aacs or w/e |
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| 06:11.02 | mentor | Someone will cracka player and set up a volume key repository |
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| 06:12.37 | blujay | mentor: where did you read about someone applying for keys? |
| 06:13.02 | blujay | mentor: ha, ok |
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| 06:16.12 | Alam_Debian | I want to run a program on start of GNOME session, but the "" and \ (space) keeps getting removed |
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| 06:16.37 | starz | Alam_Debian: edit um |
| 06:16.59 | blujay | Alam_Debian: there is a GUI for that in GNOME |
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| 06:18.21 | starz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.35 | blujay | starz: what if he doesn't use metacity? =) |
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| 06:18.42 | starz | @_@ |
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| 06:18.55 | muhoo_ | what is the most modern way to make a debian package? the new maintainer's guide shows the "old" ways |
| 06:18.56 | starz | isnt that where the gui tool stores it? |
| 06:19.10 | Alam_Debian | one down, to go |
| 06:19.10 | starz | but in that case i would make an .xinitrc or so |
| 06:19.12 | starz | lol |
| 06:19.13 | blujay | starz: I wouldn't know, I don't use GNOME...but I kind of doubt it |
| 06:19.16 | muhoo | is it cdbs? or is there an even newer one i should know about? |
| 06:19.21 | Vasistha | Alam_Debian: heh, I like your exit msg |
| 06:19.25 | blujay | Alam_Debian: did you find the GUI options for sessions? |
| 06:19.28 | starz | blujay: what do you use for a wm? |
| 06:19.35 | blujay | starz: kwin :) |
| 06:20.07 | Vasistha | muhoo: I don't suppose you could be referring to dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 06:20.17 | Alam_Debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.18 | starz | wth? |
| 06:20.26 | Vasistha | (kde) |
| 06:20.29 | blujay | muhoo: maybe you mean the debhelper scripts? |
| 06:20.31 | muhoo | Vasistha: naw, i mean for creating the package |
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| 06:20.50 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 06:21.00 | blujay | what does this mean? "" and \ (space) |
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| 06:21.07 | blujay | Alam_Debian: ^ |
| 06:21.13 | muhoo | blujay: you mean dh_foo? i'm familiar with those, but i'm wondering if there are new whizzy ones i should be using? |
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| 06:21.15 | starz | o |
| 06:21.17 | starz | kde |
| 06:21.24 | black_13 | what do i need to do to get the jre for mozilla/iceweasel ? |
| 06:21.28 | starz | i wonder how kwin-gnomeified would be |
| 06:21.30 | blujay | muhoo: I'm no expert but I think those are kind of state-of-the-art |
| 06:21.37 | muhoo | example from NMG: "Other ones are dbs, cdbs, etc." http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html |
| 06:21.43 | Ramattack | how could I know that my disk is giving his all performance and that I should place faster disks? does iostat say something about this? |
| 06:21.43 | muhoo | well, what about the "etc."??! |
| 06:21.49 | blujay | starz: kwin can do a lot more than metacity |
| 06:22.23 | Alam_Debian | ok, now this command "xmodmap -e keycode 22 = BackSpace Delete" had been hosed by gnome-session-properties |
| 06:22.54 | blujay | Ramattack: there are some disk benchmark utilities in Debian...apt-cache search... |
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| 06:23.10 | Ramattack | I know for example hdparm |
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| 06:23.23 | blujay | Ramattack: you might check out iozone3 |
| 06:23.26 | Ramattack | but this app does not say how busy is you're disk... requesting queries... |
| 06:23.32 | blujay | Ramattack: also check out atop |
| 06:23.32 | Ramattack | iozone3... |
| 06:23.37 | Ramattack | atop |
| 06:23.42 | Ramattack | ok |
| 06:23.43 | black_13 | !java |
| 06:23.43 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. ask me about <non-free> |
| 06:23.57 | Ramattack | I'll check them blujay |
| 06:23.57 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mate |
| 06:24.00 | Ramattack | time to check them in lab |
| 06:24.00 | blujay | np, gl |
| 06:24.01 | black_13 | !install java |
| 06:24.02 | dpkg | well, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 06:24.08 | Ramattack | bye thanks!!!! |
| 06:24.10 | Alam_Debian | Vasistha, what is my exit msg? Linux vs Windows? |
| 06:24.13 | Vasistha | !tell black_13 -about msg the bot |
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| 06:24.28 | Vasistha | Alam_Debian: Colonel Panic |
| 06:25.04 | Alam_Debian | ahh, found it in XChat setting |
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| 06:26.42 | black_13 | Vasistha, sorry if i have been rude |
| 06:26.55 | Vasistha | black_13: that's alright, you know better now ;) |
| 06:27.17 | black_13 | i just want to install java so the web page im tryingto view is visible or all its elements are visible |
| 06:27.48 | Vasistha | black_13: heh, one might have guessed you were looking for something along those lines |
| 06:28.31 | Vasistha | mentor: maybe package gcc-doc |
| 06:28.45 | Alam_Debian | man-dev for libc functions? |
| 06:28.49 | muhoo | man this is funny. the debian build process is a system administrator's dream come true: utility scripts on top of utility scripts on top of utility scripts! |
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| 06:28.58 | mentor | There should be a man page for the commnad in the same package as it |
| 06:29.08 | blujay | muhoo: now you get it :) |
| 06:29.10 | muhoo | it's like russian dolls, of utility scripts. |
| 06:29.21 | black_13 | Vasistha, what do i need to do to be able to run java applets in firefox/iceweasel |
| 06:29.58 | markybob | black_13: dpkg already told you. |
| 06:30.30 | Vasistha | black_13: I'd probably just install sun-java5-sdk |
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| 06:31.47 | Nemoder | Vasistha: I installed the non-free sun-java6-bin which has a browser java plugin |
| 06:32.02 | Nemoder | er black_13 |
| 06:32.11 | Alam_Debian | yea, my GNOME session is now running perfectly! |
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| 06:32.39 | muhoo | can i use svn-buildpackage and cvs-buildpackage if i'm not in control of the source archive? |
| 06:32.47 | muhoo | i.e if the svn is upstream, not mine? |
| 06:33.12 | blujay | muhoo: probably...though it might take a little fiddling...I really don't know |
| 06:34.13 | Nemoder | isn't sun moving java to the GPL? will that mean it won't need to be in non-free or will they put other restrictions on it? |
| 06:34.17 | black_13 | Nemoder, man i installed that but i still dont get the applets to work |
| 06:35.03 | muhoo | blujay: it doesn't look encouraging: "The source code repository must be in the format created by svn-inject" |
| 06:35.25 | blujay | muhoo: well, what exactly does svn-inject do? |
| 06:36.03 | muhoo | blujay: it dicks with the repository. and, it requires the repository to be laid out in only one format "trunk/tags/branches" |
| 06:36.10 | Vasistha | Nemoder: well, if they truly GPL it, then it will be compatible with dfsg. I doubt they could put restrictions on it which would make it GPL but not compliant with dfsg. |
| 06:36.12 | muhoo | which i can't control if it's not my repository |
| 06:36.13 | Nemoder | black_13: I have a symlink from /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so |
| 06:36.25 | xand | Nemoder: yes, when Sun've finished GPLing it |
| 06:36.33 | Vasistha | wow, this is awesome, German 70's music |
| 06:36.38 | Nemoder | Vasistha: yeah I would hope so |
| 06:36.41 | blujay | muhoo: I guess you could make a new repo... though you might just want to use checkinstall |
| 06:36.53 | blujay | muhoo: if this is for personal use, just use checkinstall |
| 06:37.07 | Nemoder | are they doing it for the current version of java or only the next gen one? |
| 06:37.30 | xand | Nemoder: the current one I think |
| 06:37.35 | Nemoder | ah cool |
| 06:37.36 | muhoo | blujay: i like checkinstall, but it's not configurable enough. i need this package to replace a bunch of packages |
| 06:37.58 | muhoo | then i figured, why not do it the right way and make a proper debian package of it that works and that others can use too? |
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| 06:38.00 | blujay | muhoo: sounds a bit over my head :) |
| 06:38.13 | SFNradio | whats a quick way to add an existing user to a group |
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| 06:38.40 | Vasistha | SFNradio: with usermod -aG |
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| 06:38.58 | SFNradio | thx |
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| 06:40.02 | black_13 | Nemoder, next gen? |
| 06:40.08 | Vasistha | SFNradio: keep in mind that if your user is already logged into an X session, you might have to close the X session and open another in order to get the new group into the user's environment |
| 06:40.21 | SFNradio | there is no X in any of my linux boxes |
| 06:40.23 | Nemoder | black_13: oh I was just wondering if they were waiting for java7 or whatever the next version is |
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| 06:41.00 | Vasistha | SFNradio: ah. well, same is also true for non-gui sessions, I believe |
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| 06:41.24 | Nemoder | SFNradio: or try 'addgroup username groupname' |
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| 06:41.33 | SFNradio | k thx |
| 06:41.36 | black_13 | Nemoder, hum all i have is iceweasal as the browser on debian etch |
| 06:41.58 | Nemoder | black_13: ya that's based on mozilla, I think the directory structure is the same |
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| 06:42.05 | Vasistha | black_13: so, did you install one of those java packages? And, did you restart iceweasel? |
| 06:42.17 | black_13 | let me restart the weasel! |
| 06:42.28 | black_13 | i have been dying to say that! |
| 06:42.33 | Nemoder | :) |
| 06:42.49 | sussudio | %fist black_13 |
| 06:42.50 | Vasistha | here we have a genuine fan of debian's name for FF |
| 06:43.15 | hark | adduser too |
| 06:43.15 | hark | you can use newgrp to avoid that |
| 06:43.36 | stoned | Vasistha: come again? |
| 06:43.49 | stoned | Vasistha: don't tell you like that final fantasy bollocks :( |
| 06:43.51 | Nemoder | I became a fan of the name when I saw this logo: http://mik.unpackable.org/humping_iceweasel.gif |
| 06:43.57 | stoned | Vasistha: i'll lay the smackdown on ya |
| 06:43.58 | stoned | :) |
| 06:44.02 | Vasistha | stoned: was referring to firefox ;) |
| 06:44.05 | stoned | oh |
| 06:44.07 | stoned | hahaha |
| 06:44.13 | stoned | well i feel dumb now |
| 06:44.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:44.28 | Vasistha | haha |
| 06:44.31 | hark | just now? ;p |
| 06:44.39 | black_13 | Nemoder, this page http://www.gaminglabs.com/ is currently doesnt display properly |
| 06:44.40 | stoned | hark: hey ! :( |
| 06:44.51 | stoned | !lose stoned |
| 06:44.51 | dpkg | stoned: You Lose. |
| 06:44.54 | Nemoder | black_13: type about:plugins in your URL bar and see if java is listed |
| 06:45.06 | black_13 | sure |
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| 06:45.59 | black_13 | Nemoder, nope nada shockwave and adobe reader but no java |
| 06:46.15 | Nemoder | black_13: do you have a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins directory? |
| 06:46.34 | bobo | debian 40æ˜¯ä»€ä¹ˆå†…æ ¸? |
| 06:46.41 | hark | install sun-java*-plugin |
| 06:46.42 | markybob | black_13: paste dpkg -l 'sun-java*' |grep ii in pastebin |
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| 06:47.04 | Vasistha | bobo: huh?? |
| 06:47.14 | stoned | hark: wouldn't you also need jre as well as bin and plugin? |
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| 06:47.32 | stoned | 3 packages to fully have java working on a system and also within browsers? |
| 06:47.52 | Nemoder | the bin depends on the jre |
| 06:47.56 | Nemoder | and the bin includes the plugin |
| 06:48.04 | stoned | I see |
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| 06:48.19 | hark | stoned: it will pull it in |
| 06:48.34 | stoned | hark: i never look at dependencies I usually just specify em all |
| 06:49.30 | Vasistha | night |
| 06:49.30 | Nemoder | doh! there is a sun-java6-plugin package |
| 06:49.48 | muhoo | heh, is there an emacs mode for debian/control files? |
| 06:49.59 | muhoo | debia/rules files are just makefiles, so those are easy |
| 06:50.29 | Guerin | muhoo: google will know |
| 06:50.32 | muhoo | ah, found it: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/dpkg-dev-el |
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| 06:50.39 | Guerin | nice |
| 06:50.54 | stoned | muhoo: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 06:50.59 | stoned | I suggest you get reading |
| 06:51.05 | muhoo | stoned: been there, done that :-) |
| 06:51.11 | hark | !depends sun-java5-plugin |
| 06:51.11 | hark | damn.. should have added etch |
| 06:51.13 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: depends on libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxt6, libxtst6, sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-11-1), firefox | iceweasel | mozilla-firefox | iceape-browser | mozilla-browser | epiphany-browser | galeon | konqueror |
| 06:51.16 | muhoo | many years ago. just re-read it, and, it hasn't changed much since |
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| 06:51.43 | hark | wow, just had a lag of 120 :\ |
| 06:51.45 | horseporn | HAI GUISE |
| 06:51.54 | stoned | oh jeezus fucking christ |
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| 06:51.58 | bobo | huh? |
| 06:52.04 | horsegasman | wut up my negros |
| 06:52.13 | stoned | whats with the fucking retards ? |
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| 06:52.24 | black_13 | markybob, http://rafb.net/p/95kKFQ53.html as you requested |
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| 06:52.38 | horseporn | who wants some /me? |
| 06:52.45 | gnubee | hmmm ... i dont see much difference between ubuntu and debian except from the hype on the former |
| 06:52.45 | blujay | !ops |
| 06:52.45 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 06:52.46 | markybob | black_13: you're missing sun-java5-plugin |
| 06:52.50 | markybob | black_13: apt-get install that |
| 06:53.00 | muhoo | oooh... pretty colours! nice source highlighting in dpkg-dev-el mode |
| 06:53.11 | lvalue | hi, i have a problem i cannot fix for some time already: http://rafb.net/p/fBCysW44.html what i found up to now cannot help me.. |
| 06:53.15 | Guerin | !ope horse* needs toe be goatse.cxed |
| 06:53.16 | gnubee | might as well get the real thing |
| 06:53.28 | horseporn | horsegasman: from a gascan? |
| 06:53.28 | stoned | Guerin: ya misfired! |
| 06:53.35 | horsegasman | oh yea |
| 06:53.37 | horsegasman | nothin but |
| 06:53.44 | xand | !ops a pair of trolling horses |
| 06:53.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: a pair of trolling horses |
| 06:53.57 | Guerin | yes, i am teh fail |
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| 06:53.59 | horsegasman | know a great debian performance tip? sudo rm -rf / |
| 06:54.01 | stoned | xand: give the nicks also next time |
| 06:54.04 | horsegasman | clears our the old cache stuff |
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| 06:54.12 | markybob | that was quick |
| 06:54.15 | horseporn | lawlercaust |
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| 06:54.27 | blujay | well, we know he's from NY :) |
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| 06:54.45 | Nemoder | markybob: his pastebin shows sun-java5-plug on line 7 |
| 06:54.59 | markybob | Nemoder: yes, and not installed |
| 06:55.02 | markybob | Nemoder: goofball |
| 06:55.08 | Nemoder | markybob: doh |
| 06:55.12 | blujay | thanks, mentor |
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| 06:55.26 | Ahmadinejad | How do i delete a package? |
| 06:55.31 | lhadji | lvalue http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Released doesn't exist |
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| 06:55.44 | markybob | Ahmadinejad: apt-get remove foo |
| 06:55.46 | blujay | Ahmadinejad: sudo aptitude remove package |
| 06:55.47 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: remove a package that is installed? |
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| 06:56.01 | stoned | delete a package file with rm of course |
| 06:56.24 | Ahmadinejad | stoned: yes |
| 06:56.40 | stoned | also use dpkg -r to remove |
| 06:56.45 | black_13 | markybob, the weasel is go! |
| 06:56.49 | Ahmadinejad | 2 commands? |
| 06:56.49 | stoned | or try the ones the others said |
| 06:56.50 | markybob | black_13: have fun |
| 06:56.55 | Ahmadinejad | or just one of them.. |
| 06:56.57 | stab | sorry i'm having a complete mind blank at the moment.. Could someone please tell me the name of the "fake" MTA package? |
| 06:56.57 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: there are many ways to remove a package |
| 06:57.02 | hark | Ahmadinejad: you might want to /msg dpkg grounding |
| 06:57.04 | stoned | Ahmadinejad: any one of them yes |
| 06:57.29 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.32 | xand | stab: nullmailer? |
| 06:57.36 | hark | nullmailer? |
| 06:57.37 | stab | xand: yes thx |
| 06:57.37 | blujay | stab: apt-cache policy mail-tr*tab* |
| 06:57.48 | xand | stab: apt-cache search ;) |
| 06:58.13 | stoned | nullmailer eh. |
| 06:58.17 | stoned | !nullmailer |
| 06:58.17 | dpkg | hmm... nullmailer is a minimal mta for hosts which just send directly to smart relays and is at http://em.ca/~bruceg/nullmailer/, or now a Debian package. |
| 06:58.24 | black_13 | bring on the dancing horses (appologies to echo and the bunnymen) |
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| 06:58.45 | stab | i had a quick look but couldn't, for the life of me, remember what word it contained (maybe I was getting confused with fakeroot) |
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| 06:59.23 | Guerin | stab: mail-transfer-agent |
| 06:59.33 | Guerin | although it's virtual, not an actual package |
| 06:59.47 | Nemoder | black_13: ya sorry for the confusion earlier, I just switched over from blackdown's java to sun's java |
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| 07:00.07 | stab | Guerin: thanks I'll have a look |
| 07:00.09 | black_13 | Nemoder, no problem i got it working |
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| 07:00.22 | Nyle | 3am eastern |
| 07:00.26 | Nyle | i should get to bed |
| 07:00.34 | Nyle | argh. |
| 07:00.39 | taime1 | how do i place my wireless card back into managed mode from rfmon mode? |
| 07:00.53 | stab | should I place nullmailer in a chroot jail? |
| 07:01.13 | hark | iwconfig eth# mode managed , iirc |
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| 07:01.56 | hark | taime1: man iwconfig |
| 07:02.03 | taime1 | yeah, i tried that, but it told me not allowed |
| 07:02.08 | taime1 | okay, ill man it |
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| 07:02.31 | Nyle | incarceration of mta |
| 07:02.48 | Guerin | stab: nop. |
| 07:02.59 | Guerin | !wayttd stab |
| 07:02.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, stab? |
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| 07:03.42 | hark | there's a package called mail-transfer-agent? |
| 07:03.48 | Guerin | hark: no. |
| 07:03.53 | Nyle | haha |
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| 07:04.16 | hark | :( |
| 07:04.18 | Guerin | hark: there's a *virtual* package called mail-transfer-agent which is provided by other packages such as exim |
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| 07:04.26 | Nyle | Guerin: sometimes don't you just wanna..... |
| 07:04.32 | Nyle | argh. |
| 07:04.42 | hark | ah, that one |
| 07:04.43 | Guerin | yes. yes I do. |
| 07:04.54 | muhoo | uupdate doesn't work with cdbs? |
| 07:04.59 | muhoo | that blows |
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| 07:06.52 | taime1 | "no wireless extensions" simply means no aps right? |
| 07:07.09 | Guerin | taime1: no, it means `this is not a wireless device' |
| 07:07.10 | blujay | taime1: actually that probably means the driver isn't working |
| 07:07.11 | jinx099 | What is the difference between the vserver and the regular xen kernels? |
| 07:07.25 | Guerin | jinx099: download the .config and see |
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| 07:07.34 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.45 | taime1 | well how the heck didi i manage to disrupt the driver? |
| 07:08.22 | Guerin | !htfswk taime1 |
| 07:08.22 | dpkg | taime1: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 07:08.49 | taime1 | okay |
| 07:08.50 | muhoo | taime1: if you disrupt the driver, he will stop the bus and ask you to get off |
| 07:08.58 | muhoo | it's a safety rule |
| 07:09.01 | Guerin | if you're lucky |
| 07:09.05 | Guerin | if not, he won't stop the bus |
| 07:09.11 | blujay | muhoo: maybe he made a comment on his driving... |
| 07:09.44 | black_13 | is it possible to take a snapshot of all the contents of what is installed on linux box |
| 07:09.55 | Guerin | sign on buses in my city: `Happiness is a spaced-out bus. Please move to the back.' Common graffiti: `Happiness is a spaced-out bus *driver*.' |
| 07:10.02 | black_13 | then use that snapshot to diff against what is installed |
| 07:10.05 | blujay | black_13: dpkg --get-selections >filename |
| 07:11.14 | black_13 | i want to know what files were added |
| 07:11.16 | muhoo | hah! |
| 07:11.28 | Guerin | black_13: read your apt logs |
| 07:11.32 | muhoo | debuild bitches because the package has no .diff.gz file, but it's because it uses cdbs! |
| 07:11.36 | muhoo | dumbass debuild |
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| 07:11.40 | blujay | black_13: if you mean files other than package contents, maybe tripwire |
| 07:11.40 | MrKeuner | hi, There is a Junk folder on my imap server. I would like evolution to move the junk message in that folder, since that folder is scanned regularly for false negatives. How can I make evolution use that Junk folder instead of inbuilt Junk folder. Currently I see two Junk Folders one with default Junk icon and one with regular folder icon |
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| 07:11.49 | muhoo | cdbs packages have no diff.gz file! |
| 07:12.13 | Nemoder | black_13: rsnapshot is a good tool to make backups with |
| 07:13.02 | muhoo | that's fucked up |
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| 07:13.19 | muhoo | debuild will not work on cdbs packages. you have to do dh_clean, and then run debuild -nc |
| 07:13.39 | muhoo | debuild appears to be incompatible with cdbs. |
| 07:13.40 | dondelelcaro | debuild will, actually |
| 07:13.51 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: it didn't. |
| 07:13.54 | dondelelcaro | you just have to have run debian/rules clean at some point |
| 07:14.04 | dondelelcaro | 12 |
| 07:14.09 | muhoo | but running debian/rules clean is what failed |
| 07:14.11 | tarzeau | where can i get the kernel configuration of the debian installer kernel etch? |
| 07:14.24 | muhoo | it failed because cdbs tried to reverse patches |
| 07:14.24 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: then there's a bug |
| 07:14.32 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: clean must be idempotent |
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| 07:14.41 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: in the package or in cdbs, or in debuild? |
| 07:15.01 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: running debian/rules clean; multiple times must succeed every time |
| 07:15.05 | zapalotta | hello. I'm not sure if I'm right asking here, tell me, if not. |
| 07:15.20 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: as far as where the bug is, it's most likely in the package. |
| 07:15.20 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: so, the bug is in the package itself, yes? or is it in cdbs? |
| 07:15.22 | zapalotta | I'm about to install etch on a Server containing 2 SATA-HDS |
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| 07:15.49 | zapalotta | I'd like to have the HDs mirrored, but the Server doesn't have a RAID-controller |
| 07:15.54 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thanks. that'd make sense. although, because it uses cdbs for patching, the failure to reverse a patch is probably either in the patch itself, or in cdbs |
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| 07:16.12 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: generally the failures to reverse a patch are just noisy; cdbs ignores them |
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| 07:16.21 | zapalotta | so I'll install Softraid. No Problem. But: the server shall host some virtual (xen) domains |
| 07:16.33 | zapalotta | what's the "correct" way to acomplish this? |
| 07:16.37 | grendal_prime | ok bindshell? |
| 07:16.41 | dondelelcaro | zapalotta: use raid 1 with lvm on top, or just raid 1 without lvm |
| 07:16.45 | grendal_prime | Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 4369) |
| 07:16.48 | dondelelcaro | zapalotta: your choice |
| 07:16.52 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: hmm. cdbs seems to have some kind of fail-on-warning mode set... this could be the package maintainter's mistake then |
| 07:17.10 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: what package are we talking about here? |
| 07:17.14 | zapalotta | dondelelcaro: and then install the xen hosts up onto that "disk"? |
| 07:17.33 | dondelelcaro | zapalotta: on their own lvm "disk", yeah |
| 07:17.43 | black_13 | Nemoder, i ask because i want to find out what gnome theme is being installed or modified |
| 07:17.44 | zapalotta | what's the advantage of LVM in this case? |
| 07:17.49 | dondelelcaro | zapalotta: you could also just have them use a file as a disk; it's your choice. |
| 07:17.49 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: jackd 0.102, packaged by free echinicia |
| 07:18.04 | grendal_prime | is this real or?? i mean ii find several online posts that chkroot just sees something that does not correct on a usual port and it bitches. |
| 07:18.06 | muhoo | in "experimental", so, i guess bugs are to be expected |
| 07:18.24 | Nemoder | black_13: as long as you are using debian packages it's pretty simple to see what is going where |
| 07:18.29 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: uh... you mean the ones by the Debian multimedia team? |
| 07:18.46 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: i think so, or by 64studio team, backported to debian |
| 07:19.04 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: that isn't a Debian package |
| 07:19.16 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: IIRC, it was in pdo in experimental |
| 07:19.23 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: use the version of jackd that's actually in Debian; less likely to be broken. |
| 07:19.45 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: i hear ya. well that's another option: i'll uupdate from 0.101 and see if life is better |
| 07:19.47 | dondelelcaro | !+info jackd experimental |
| 07:19.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:20.14 | dpkg | jackd: (JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.102.20-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 99 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
| 07:20.21 | dondelelcaro | ^^ that's the version in experimental |
| 07:20.22 | grendal_prime | i keep seeing this two │ UDP (400 bytes) from 127.0.0.1:32768 to 127.0.0.1:32768 on lo |
| 07:20.36 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: that's the one i'm working with, yes |
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| 07:21.16 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: to reproduce the bug, dpkg-source -x *dsc it, the debuild it, then try to debuild it again. |
| 07:21.17 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: clean works fine here |
| 07:21.47 | muhoo | i'm on etch too, so maybe that's part of the problem |
| 07:21.54 | dondelelcaro | uh... yeah, that's not a good idea |
| 07:22.01 | dondelelcaro | build in a chroot if you're going to do that using pbuilder |
| 07:22.12 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're backporting to etch) |
| 07:22.18 | muhoo | i am in fact backporting to etc |
| 07:22.21 | muhoo | etch |
| 07:22.40 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: in any event, clean throws errors here, but exits successfully. |
| 07:22.47 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 07:23.00 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: if you're still having problems, the entire build log will be useful |
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| 07:23.37 | muhoo | i've figured out a workaround (dh_clean, then debuild -nc), so i probably will just assume the problems are etch vs. sid related |
| 07:23.38 | dondelelcaro | oh, actually... I see it now |
| 07:23.43 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it's a bug in the package |
| 07:23.54 | muhoo | ah. cool. |
| 07:24.42 | grendal_prime | anyone else had to deal with this bindshell exploite deal? |
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| 07:25.02 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: do you want to BTS that? it'll have more weight coming from you :-) |
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| 07:28.41 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: it's your bug, you file it |
| 07:28.44 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: heh, thanks |
| 07:28.45 | Crypticfortune | amarok is a qt app right? so why can i use uim to enter japanese in all my other qt apps, but not in amarok? (the uim keys just don't respond) |
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| 07:31.32 | JohnDoh | hi since i upgraded to etch duplicity has been taking more than twice as long to create a backup, has any one else experienced this/know what could be causing it ... there is little change in the amouunt of data it has to backup. Thanks |
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| 07:31.47 | dondelelcaro | ugh. it's really really stupid too; they're using build-tree, but then trying to reverse the patches |
| 07:32.00 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
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| 07:34.43 | ma3x | what is newer lenny or sid? |
| 07:36.01 | hark | ma3x: lenny is testing |
| 07:36.14 | ma3x | hark, so what's newer testing or unstable? |
| 07:36.24 | hark | ma3x: then /msg dpkg releases |
| 07:36.34 | telmich | ma3x: unstable |
| 07:36.50 | ma3x | I tried to upgrade yesterday from etch -> sid and it broke |
| 07:36.54 | cat | anyone is ahving issues trying to compile bx? |
| 07:36.56 | ma3x | I couldn't boot |
| 07:37.35 | ma3x | got some flood of sbin/getty |
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| 07:37.48 | hark | it's sid after all... |
| 07:38.10 | ma3x | yeah |
| 07:39.43 | sanelson | i tried to remove artwiz cursor using dselect, but it's in a partially removed state, and now X won't start, saying it can't find a default cursor font... i have other cursor packages installed, and tried pointing x cursor to alternatives, but get the same error. |
| 07:39.54 | sanelson | any ideas what I should do? |
| 07:40.10 | hark | sanelson: sid? |
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| 07:40.54 | mactimes | hello everyone |
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| 07:41.32 | hark | you have to remove the diversion and then try.. that package is broken |
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| 07:42.40 | hark | sanelson: tried reinstalling xfonts-base? |
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| 07:44.34 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:45.34 | xut | hi, apt-get gives me this error and the help i found until now does not help me solve this: http://rafb.net/p/fBCysW44.html |
| 07:45.41 | grendal_prime | i think this box got hacked..fuck |
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| 07:46.21 | dimir | xut: how about: apt-key update |
| 07:46.24 | hark | !non-us |
| 07:46.25 | dpkg | i guess non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 07:46.33 | grendal_prime | is there a security channel whereh somonne can help me with this |
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| 07:47.17 | sanelson | hark: yeah, even with that package marked as held with dpkg I get the diversion error; will take a look in amin, kids ---> school@! |
| 07:47.18 | xut | dimir, same thing |
| 07:47.34 | dimir | xut: debian-archive-keyring package is the latest? |
| 07:47.36 | hark | sanelson: dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz |
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| 07:47.52 | hark | xut: see what dpkg said |
| 07:47.55 | xut | yep |
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| 07:48.27 | xut | ii debian-archive-keyring 2007.02.19 |
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| 07:49.01 | triplc | do we have update for etch recently? i run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but there is NO update for a week now |
| 07:49.20 | triplc | is that problem with my /etc/apt/source.lst |
| 07:49.23 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: heh, the 101 version in etch has the same problem |
| 07:49.24 | hark | xut: /msg dpkg sources.list . change yours |
| 07:49.27 | ChrisW | hi, I'm trying to set up grub to fallback, as described here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-fallback-systems.html, I have the 3 special lines included, but no fallback seems to happen on next boot following a kernel panic in the first option on my grub list, what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:49.53 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: debian/rules clean ..... => "Trying reverse patch debian/patches/01a_force-copy-autogen.sh.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure." |
| 07:49.56 | markybob | !non-us |
| 07:49.56 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
| 07:50.01 | ChrisW | also, reference is made to grub-set-default, but this doesn't seem to exist anywhere on my system... |
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| 07:50.22 | hark | triplc: security updates/bug fixes only |
| 07:50.31 | markybob | xut: in other words, you need to remove non-us from your sources.list since etch doesnt have it |
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| 07:51.14 | xut | ahh, i get it.. |
| 07:51.22 | hark | markybob: heh, you indeed do have to say it twice ;) |
| 07:51.34 | markybob | hark at least :) |
| 07:52.10 | triplc | hark: i do not see even security... ok, is that correct: "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free"? (i have that line when changing from sarge to etch, my computer is updated, and i assume that i also works for etch)? |
| 07:52.28 | xut | this sources.list wasn't touched for so many years :) |
| 07:53.49 | markybob | triplc: yes, that's right |
| 07:53.50 | hark | xut: and sarge is oldstable now. so if you don't want to upgrade to etch, use sarge there |
| 07:54.02 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: yeah; the problem is that it's trying to reverse the patches when it's using a build-tree; it should just remove the build tree and remove the patch stamps |
| 07:54.52 | mactimes | Hello, everyone. |
| 07:54.52 | xut | hark, i have "stable" as release name |
| 07:54.52 | dondelelcaro | it's a bug in cdbs, but also one in the package |
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| 07:55.23 | mactimes | I could not find help about this matter elsewhere and by making my "homework" on google, found that the subject had already been discussed here... |
| 07:55.33 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: yeah, but i can't figure out who is trying to reverse the patches. debian/rules doesn't appear to be doing it\ |
| 07:55.38 | mactimes | Could anyone help me with VDK Builder? |
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| 07:55.49 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: in other words, who is the "it"? |
| 07:55.57 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: it's cdbs; simplepatchsys.mk |
| 07:56.03 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever the stupid thing is) |
| 07:56.06 | muhoo | so the bug is in cdbs? |
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| 07:56.11 | dondelelcaro | yes |
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| 07:56.17 | dondelelcaro | (and in the package itself) |
| 07:56.18 | muhoo | ah, i filed it on jackd. |
| 07:56.42 | muhoo | so wait, what is the package itself doing wrong (sorry for being so stupid here)? |
| 07:57.05 | xut | hark, to be honest, i never knew those release names |
| 07:57.36 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: it's 404575; the package isn't really doing something wrong per-se; the problem is that it's using cdbs. ;-) |
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| 07:58.29 | hark | xut: yeah, etch is stable now |
| 07:58.45 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: :-) |
| 07:59.01 | muhoo | ok, you answered my question |
| 07:59.11 | mactimes | Anyone, please? |
| 07:59.26 | muhoo | i'm using old-skool debhelper stuff |
| 07:59.46 | muhoo | not messing around with this cdbs crap. gimme and oldfashioned diff.gz file anyday |
| 08:00.40 | scx | mactimes: justy say the problem |
| 08:00.46 | mactimes | scx: I have just installed VDK Builder 2 |
| 08:01.12 | mactimes | scx: for the second time, in fact |
| 08:01.13 | dondelelcaro | cdbs is nice for simple packages; the problems start when you try to do something complex |
| 08:01.14 | mactimes | scx: and I cannot make it run a simple console application |
| 08:01.34 | muhoo | ah. ok. well, 404575 is almost 4 months old now |
| 08:01.38 | muhoo | that's not encouraging |
| 08:02.01 | muhoo | jackd is too complex a package for this then. |
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| 08:02.18 | muhoo | shit... i have to start from dh_make and create a whole new package for it? hmm. |
| 08:02.33 | muhoo | actually, that sounds like it could be a good exercise. |
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| 08:03.12 | mactimes | scx: I just created a simple console application project and inserted a single printf on the code |
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| 08:04.02 | mactimes | scx: then I click run and get these errors: |
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| 08:04.08 | mactimes | scrillaz: /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 08:04.09 | mactimes | scx: : /bin/sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 08:04.26 | mactimes | scx: : make: ** [consoleapp] Erro 2 |
| 08:04.30 | mactimes | scrillaz: Sorry |
| 08:04.39 | muhoo | ok i'm too tired tonite to take this any farther. but tomorrow i'm just going to start a whole new jackd/libjack package from scratch, using some of the patches from the 0.101 etch package, but starting over from scratch using debhelper not cdbs. |
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| 08:04.54 | scx | mactimes: check your code |
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| 08:05.20 | muhoo | really the only major difference is that the debian package adds the -release .100 stuff |
| 08:05.21 | mactimes | scx: I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the code |
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| 08:06.23 | mactimes | scx: Tried C code and C++ code. always same error |
| 08:06.55 | scx | mactimes: well, it sais the contraire, however don't ask me I know nothing anout VDK |
| 08:06.56 | mactimes | scx: I develop using c/c++ for a long long time |
| 08:06.56 | scx | anyone else might help but acording to the error maybe tou'll be told the same |
| 08:07.11 | mactimes | scx: Ok, thanks anyways. |
| 08:07.18 | muhoo | i blame robert jordens, who decided on valentine's day 2005 to saddle this package with cdbs |
| 08:07.54 | mactimes | could anyone help me with VDK? |
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| 08:08.33 | NetEcho | whats the command to start DHCPD? |
| 08:08.51 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: /etc/init.d/dhcpd start |
| 08:08.53 | NetEcho | for some reason it didn't start the network interface on boot this time |
| 08:09.08 | dondelelcaro | but you probably mean dhcp-client or dhcpcd |
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| 08:09.37 | NetEcho | none of those 3 exist |
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| 08:09.59 | unix_infidel | must've been a super lean mean install. |
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| 08:10.09 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: you don't actually have to run them. Just run ifup eth0; or whatever your interface is called. |
| 08:10.41 | NetEcho | dhclient maybe |
| 08:10.41 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:10.41 | NetEcho | you triggered a memory |
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| 08:10.55 | NetEcho | dhclient worked |
| 08:12.04 | unix_infidel | what is dhclient symlinked to? |
| 08:12.21 | xut | btw, is there a way to make the kernel upgrade automatically for instance via apt-get upgrade ? currently i have to manually upgrade it and pay attention when a new version comes out |
| 08:12.23 | bzed | muhoo: nothign wrong with cdbs.. well... usually nothign wrong with it |
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| 08:12.37 | unix_infidel | xut: there should be in your /etc/apt |
| 08:12.43 | unix_infidel | there are usually exclusions made by default |
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| 08:13.02 | unix_infidel | its been almost a year since i've messed with nix, so take anything i say with a grain o salt. |
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| 08:14.35 | NetEcho | no clue lol |
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| 08:14.44 | NetEcho | uhm how do you update locate/slocate? |
| 08:14.55 | unix_infidel | updatedb |
| 08:15.05 | NetEcho | tx |
| 08:15.09 | unix_infidel | xut: my advice from a while ago. |
| 08:15.15 | unix_infidel | dont handle that exception. |
| 08:15.51 | unix_infidel | new kernels seem to do more damage than not. it's somewhere between doing a mac system upgrade and between doing an upgrade from win me to xp |
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| 08:16.16 | xut | heh |
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| 08:16.49 | unix_infidel | xut: no joke. if you run debian as a server, you're playing a tricky game. |
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| 08:17.47 | mactimes | VDK, anyone? |
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| 08:19.15 | NetEcho | here is my issue |
| 08:19.15 | NetEcho | I used apt-get to install nessusd but can't find where it installed |
| 08:19.15 | NetEcho | nm |
| 08:19.15 | NetEcho | it failed the first time |
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| 08:19.29 | mentor | xut: The stable kernel will receive securtiy updates. |
| 08:19.31 | NetEcho | hrm still can't find the install dir |
| 08:19.39 | mentor | dpkg -L nessud |
| 08:19.39 | dpkg | ii nessud 1.2-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:19.49 | mentor | dpkg: muppet |
| 08:20.03 | mentor | dpkg set noignorecase |
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| 08:20.33 | hark | you can install the linux-image metapackage, which would depend on the latest version |
| 08:20.47 | mentor | that too |
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| 08:21.52 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:21.53 | dpkg | somebody said qotd102 was <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
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| 08:22.30 | NetEcho | thx |
| 08:23.25 | scx | yes, don't overclock too much bot |
| 08:23.25 | xut | unix_infidel, this server is running on debian for about 10 years already :) |
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| 08:25.17 | xut | mentor, will those security updates include upgrades to a newer version ? i'm just upgrading from 2.6.18-3 to 2.6.18-4 manually |
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| 08:27.00 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 08:27.55 | mactimes | FJ_Sanchez: Hi there =) |
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| 08:28.21 | FJ_Sanchez | I'm setting up a web server with Sarge, when I install mysql-server-4.1 it ask me about ingoing connections from Sarge clients, should I allow this? I mean, I installed Sarge but all packages seems etch |
| 08:29.04 | mactimes | does anyone here run vdk builder 2?? |
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| 08:29.23 | tengulre | how to write this crontab, 23:00 per two days? |
| 08:29.43 | markybob | tengulre: man crontab |
| 08:30.19 | tengulre | markybob: tks, but can u help me now. I read it just ,but still understand. |
| 08:30.35 | markybob | tengulre: try man 5 crontab, then. |
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| 08:31.55 | mark_s | hi, for time syncronisation what's best tu use? ntp, ntp-date or ntp-simple?? |
| 08:31.59 | SerajewelKS | FJ_Sanchez: did you install "stable"? |
| 08:32.02 | markybob | tengulre: 0 23 */2 * * user command |
| 08:32.24 | tengulre | markybob: thanks. |
| 08:32.51 | tuvwx | mark_s, ntp corrects drifts, ntpdate updates the clock when it's run (usually on boot/network-up) |
| 08:33.08 | nvz | tuvwx: and ntp-simple installs both |
| 08:33.10 | tuvwx | mark_s, so both is the best you can do |
| 08:33.16 | nvz | er.. |
| 08:33.19 | nvz | yeah whatever |
| 08:33.30 | SerajewelKS | FJ_Sanchez: pastebin your sources.list |
| 08:33.34 | nvz | !depends ntp-simple |
| 08:33.42 | dpkg | ntp-simple: depends on ntp (>= 1:4.2.2+dfsg.2-2) |
| 08:33.47 | markybob | tuvwx: i use just ntp. *shrug* |
| 08:33.51 | mark_s | tuvwx: I just need the time synchronisation at boot time. |
| 08:34.56 | tuvwx | nvz, looks like ntp-simple is still there for migration purposes.. will probably disappear after a while |
| 08:35.03 | mactimes | could anyone help me with vdk, please? |
| 08:35.07 | FJ_Sanchez | SerajewelKS: I've a differents because I've direct connection with CICA |
| 08:35.07 | FJ_Sanchez | wait |
| 08:35.15 | markybob | right. in favor of ntp |
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| 08:35.58 | FJ_Sanchez | deb ftp://ftp.cica.es/debian/ stable main |
| 08:36.03 | FJ_Sanchez | This is what I've |
| 08:36.07 | FJ_Sanchez | And another one from debian mirror |
| 08:36.15 | FJ_Sanchez | for security |
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| 08:36.34 | FJ_Sanchez | I think I'll install etch better... |
| 08:36.47 | FJ_Sanchez | This is a new server so I haven't yet any data |
| 08:36.56 | FJ_Sanchez | thx anyway |
| 08:37.00 | markybob | FJ_Sanchez: you should, as it is the new stable. fresh is a good idea for a clean box |
| 08:37.18 | nvz | apparently its all been merged into the ntp package |
| 08:37.18 | nvz | cause ntp says it has the daemon and utilities and ntp-simple is now just a transition package for it |
| 08:38.13 | tuvwx | nvz, except for ntpdate. it's still a standalone package |
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| 08:38.24 | SerajewelKS | FJ_Sanchez: you are using etch |
| 08:39.27 | SerajewelKS | FJ_Sanchez: not sarge |
| 08:39.28 | markybob | tuvwx: ntpdate is only supposed to be used for machines that dont have full-time network access. otherwise, use ntp |
| 08:39.28 | mark_s | i installed ntpdate but it is not updating the time (which I changed) after a reboot. Does it need a cron job or a startup script? |
| 08:39.36 | markybob | mark_s: use ntp instead |
| 08:39.42 | mark_s | ok |
| 08:40.27 | tuvwx | markybob, afaik ntp doesn't sync. it just corrects the drift |
| 08:40.27 | tuvwx | markybob, so it won't be enough for large errors |
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| 08:40.48 | markybob | tuvwx: that's not right |
| 08:41.07 | markybob | tuvwx: just by default it wont fix more than i believe is 2 hrs. you can change the config, however |
| 08:41.12 | eisen | the time should be approximately correct already. It always failed me otherwise. |
| 08:41.16 | tuvwx | mark_s, read /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/README.Debian |
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| 08:41.46 | nvz | I disagree.. ntp seems useless without ntpdate. should your clock drift significantly say dual-booting or some other way.. ntp wont get it back |
| 08:41.46 | nvz | ntpdate will pull it back no matter what. ntp just adjusts drift subtly wont really fix a clock that has drifted significantly |
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| 08:42.05 | markybob | again, that's not right |
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| 08:42.16 | ma3x | [R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 1.3.0.0, required X.org 7.1.0.0 |
| 08:42.16 | ma3x | (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
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| 08:42.26 | ma3x | why is it detecting Xorg 1.3.0.0 ? |
| 08:42.40 | markybob | just look at the description of ntpdate. "If the full NTP daemon from the package "ntp" is installed, then ntpdate is not necessary." |
| 08:42.48 | tuvwx | markybob, what nvz said *is* right |
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| 08:43.05 | mark_s | ntp chanched the time somehow ntpdate didn't thanks for your help |
| 08:43.10 | markybob | no, it's not. there is no need for ntpdate on a machine that has ntp |
| 08:43.11 | ma3x | does anyone know? |
| 08:43.20 | markybob | mark_s: thank you! |
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| 08:44.24 | tuvwx | i sometimes need to run ntpdate although ntp is running to get my clock reading as other machines |
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| 08:45.26 | eisen | I can only speak from experience. After the cmos battery failed and some downtime ntp did not correct the time on startup. |
| 08:45.32 | ma3x | helloooo |
| 08:45.37 | hddd | Is somebody in here familiar with sphinx speech recognition? |
| 08:46.17 | eisen | ...at least with the default settings |
| 08:46.17 | ma3x | [R200Setup] X version mismatch - detected X.org 1.3.0.0, required X.org 7.1.0.0 |
| 08:46.17 | ma3x | how come it detects that version? |
| 08:46.17 | ma3x | there's no such thing as 1300 |
| 08:46.21 | ma3x | what default settings? |
| 08:46.42 | markybob | eisen: that is right. easy to change, though. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/iaabu/cddm/cddm111/adguide/ntp.htm#xtocid1893017 |
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| 08:46.42 | markybob | blah |
| 08:47.08 | markybob | obviously wrong link, but the ntp package acts the same way. default, easily changed to sync completely |
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| 08:47.41 | mark_s | I just changed the time and turned my pc off. After turinig it on again, ntp changed the time. |
| 08:47.53 | eisen | markybob: yeah, I have set it already. |
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| 08:49.02 | hark | ma3x: fglrx is not compatible with the Xorg in Sid |
| 08:49.02 | hark | if that's what you are using |
| 08:49.02 | hark | because that's the version in Sid.. what does X -version say? |
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| 08:49.53 | enouf | well also recall folks we have 3 different releases to deal with, and oldstable(Sarge) may act differently, due to the timezone stuff being wrapped in libc6 .. or some other thing, that i have no clue what i'm talking about "=P |
| 08:50.13 | hark | ma3x: he was talking about ntp |
| 08:52.01 | sep | nvz marcels ntp in etch supports the burst and iburst agruments making ntpdate not nessecary |
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| 08:55.50 | hark | enouf: that last line was not needed ;) |
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| 08:57.53 | Nateman1352 | hi all, I trying to install Netscape 4 and to do so I need a VERY old library back from the Debian 2 days, specifically libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is there any way to get that old package? And will it nuke my newer C libs if I install it? |
| 08:57.58 | enouf | hark: everyone, including me, has the right to deflect responsibility ("i don't recall") ... :-P |
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| 08:58.32 | markybob | you must be an american ;) |
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| 08:59.02 | enouf | i learned well from my peers ;-) |
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| 08:59.14 | MyNick | I want to install from floppies |
| 08:59.29 | enouf | MyNick: /msg dpkg ig |
| 08:59.45 | MyNick | do I need all 5 images? boot, cd- net-1,2 drivers and root.img ? |
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| 09:00.17 | enouf | what does the ig (install guide) say? I personally don;t know |
| 09:00.26 | MyNick | I don't know |
| 09:00.39 | enouf | see my 1st message ;-) |
| 09:01.38 | MyNick | it says nothing but 2.2.1. Floppies In some cases, you'll have to do your first boot from floppy disks. Generally, all you will need is a high-density (1440 kilobytes) 3.5 inch floppy drive |
| 09:01.40 | MyNick | nothing about the images |
| 09:01.42 | enouf | !tell MyNick -about selftell |
| 09:01.54 | enouf | dpkg, are you out nookie-ing around again? .. oh heh |
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| 09:03.23 | niru | how to lock /etc/passwd file from editing by normal user |
| 09:03.23 | niru | especially the root password |
| 09:03.41 | azeem | niru: users cannot edit /etc/passwd |
| 09:03.48 | MoDaX | Nateman1352: archive.debian.org I don't know if it won't break anything. chroot should work in any case |
| 09:03.51 | azeem | niru: or do you mean "view" not "edit"? |
| 09:03.57 | enouf | MyNick: since the kernel-image is over 4MB, i'd say yes, you need all 5 |
| 09:04.12 | bloosky | can anyone refer me to documentation that'll help my upgrade from the unofficial amd64 sarge back-port to etch? |
| 09:04.46 | enouf | !she's dead jim |
| 09:05.18 | niru | azeem, but when they use sudo they can |
| 09:05.40 | enouf | oh dear .. you need some oil dpkg |
| 09:05.48 | azeem | niru: then they are not normal users |
| 09:06.13 | azeem | niru: maybe you want something like SELinux |
| 09:06.58 | niru | azeem, for any os normal can have root permissions with sudo right |
| 09:07.05 | enouf | they need root passwd to do that (or a modified /etc/sudoers), but maybe also you want UML |
| 09:07.15 | niru | azeem, and those users when use sudo can edit the password file |
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| 09:07.27 | hark | Nateman1352: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 09:07.33 | azeem | niru: people who you can't unlimited sudo access rights *are* root |
| 09:07.39 | azeem | s/can't/grant/ |
| 09:07.40 | azeem | eh. |
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| 09:09.37 | Nateman1352 | modax, hark: thx very much! |
| 09:10.10 | delire | root with a timeout, otherwise little difference. |
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| 09:11.06 | jetscreamer | i don't see no steenking timeout |
| 09:11.27 | enouf | delire: do you recall that default length of time offhand? |
| 09:11.39 | enouf | i recall hearing about it ;-p |
| 09:11.42 | delire | enouf: 15 minutes i think. kills with the switch -K |
| 09:11.54 | delire | it's in man sudoers i think. |
| 09:12.06 | namit_lapto1 | what command where I can change what startup its kind of visual (but from shell) not chkconfig |
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| 09:12.09 | delire | s/kills/clears |
| 09:12.17 | jetscreamer | ah the optioal timeout |
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| 09:12.29 | tarzeau | where can i get the kernel configuration of the debian installer kernel etch? |
| 09:12.30 | delire | default on most systems |
| 09:12.32 | enouf | It's just, i use sudo all the time and never noticed it .. or not |
| 09:12.47 | azeem | tarzeau: it's the same as the one being installed, AFAIK |
| 09:13.06 | enouf | IOW, no detrimental, annoying affects .. |
| 09:13.12 | tarzeau | azeem: not without initrd ? i mean the netboot kernel |
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| 09:13.30 | hark | markybob: you don't want the dm to show? |
| 09:13.34 | enouf | tarzeau: svn.debian.org |
| 09:14.12 | delire | hmm it'd be nice if it were possible for sshd to watch for sudo attempts, either notifying root or dropping the connection if desired. |
| 09:14.45 | niru | azeem, In my PC when I enter as normal user and give sudo password root |
| 09:14.46 | markybob | hark huh? i havent been reading the conversation. did you really mean me? |
| 09:15.18 | enouf | tarzeau: i belive the kernel-package area somewhere .. , or (longshot) , in the d-i area, but i know i've seen them |
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| 09:15.34 | Nateman1352 | w00t, Netscape 4 is working, and it appears that my C libraries are still intact, (can launch new processes still) |
| 09:15.50 | fengor | hmm if i start a mv command via ssh and the ssh connection dies. will the mv command finish normally? it should since it isnt interactive right? |
| 09:16.05 | hark | er, not markybob .. sorry :) |
| 09:16.05 | hark | namit_lapto1: if you are talking about the dm, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:16.12 | markybob | np :) |
| 09:16.13 | niru | azeem, it changes the password for root |
| 09:16.13 | niru | azeem, so I am asking whether there is a way to lock the password file from users |
| 09:16.13 | Nemoder | !sarge->etch |
| 09:16.13 | dpkg | from memory, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 09:17.29 | azeem | w33 |
| 09:17.31 | azeem | oops. |
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| 09:18.56 | namit_lapto1 | hark: na that not it I need consol vertion of bum |
| 09:19.33 | hark | markybob: ah no, was supposed to be for namit_lapto1 instead :) |
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| 09:21.08 | fengor | ~hmm seems it didnt |
| 09:21.37 | sneharajr | i want to take backup of around 500 gb folder in other node via network which is the best method |
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| 09:23.09 | hark | !bum |
| 09:23.10 | dpkg | i guess bum is Turkish word. |
| 09:23.10 | hark | ~wtf bum |
| 09:23.32 | cat | ~LART hark |
| 09:23.32 | apt | takes a big bite out of hark's jugular vein |
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| 09:24.09 | hark | update-rc.d |
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| 09:25.42 | cat | how do you open the cpkg files or executed them? |
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| 09:26.11 | tarzeau | enouf: thanks |
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| 09:33.43 | badgers | pong |
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| 09:34.22 | Supaplex | eep |
| 09:34.45 | bugster_ | meeep |
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| 09:35.15 | bugster_ | o o my other half is on another network |
| 09:35.19 | bugster_ | lol |
| 09:35.26 | bugster_ | they split me |
| 09:35.29 | bugster_ | bah |
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| 09:38.45 | n000b | re all |
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| 09:39.51 | n000b | is it possible to have a live Linux usb stick AND Debian net installer on it? |
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| 09:41.48 | dimir | e vil duck! |
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| 09:42.41 | bugster_ | quaaaackk... |
| 09:42.52 | bugster_ | quack quack quack |
| 09:43.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | redduck666: How's your forum? Is it still growing? :) |
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| 09:50.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:50.54 | dpkg | from memory, qotd94 is <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
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| 09:53.13 | streuner | Is there a factoid or wiki about the nvidia problem? |
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| 09:53.36 | streuner | 'module nvidia does not exist' |
| 09:53.49 | sep | "the" nvidia problem ? |
| 09:54.12 | sep | did you install the nvidia modules ? |
| 09:54.14 | bzed | !ngd |
| 09:54.14 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 09:55.37 | streuner | sep: the module is loaded |
| 09:56.14 | liable | x is the one complaining? |
| 09:56.55 | streuner | "no screens found" |
| 09:57.15 | liable | downgrade to 7.1 |
| 09:58.13 | liable | xserver-xorg-core 1.1.1-21 |
| 09:58.18 | liable | see if that fixes it |
| 09:58.53 | sanelson | what's the recommended way to extract / modify the pre and post inst scripts from a package? Can I just use ar? or is there a dpkg incantation? |
| 09:59.39 | liable | ar is ok |
| 09:59.43 | sep | streuner, i just 1: add non-free and contrib 2: install the modules using aptitude install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) nvidia-glx 3: modprobe nvidia 4: profit..? |
| 09:59.43 | streuner | sanelson: dpkg -x ;-) |
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| 10:01.12 | sanelson | streuner: doesn't that jjst extract the files use in the install, not the control scripts? |
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| 10:02.13 | streuner | sanelson: why not just install the package itself and take the control scripts then? |
| 10:02.33 | sep | streuner, you dont have a pcibus number in your config do you ? |
| 10:02.46 | streuner | sep: its not for me... |
| 10:03.40 | liable | i take it this person is running sid streuner ? |
| 10:03.47 | streuner | sure |
| 10:03.53 | streuner | what else? ;-) |
| 10:04.07 | liable | ubuntu? |
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| 10:04.35 | streuner | haha |
| 10:04.40 | any0ne_ | hello all |
| 10:05.59 | any0ne_ | i have a problem with losetup. I try to crypt hard drive with loop-aes but when i want to losetup -F i have error "LOOP_MULTI_KEY_SETUP: Invalid argument" and don't find how to active multi-key mode |
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| 10:06.15 | streuner | liable: nah, its a another debian channel... |
| 10:06.27 | liable | ya, i thought as much |
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| 10:12.39 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, why do I get "Connection reset by peer" when I'm conected to my ssh server? |
| 10:12.45 | FJ_Sanchez | It's a fresh Debian install |
| 10:13.38 | petemc | FJ_Sanchez: you going through a firewall? |
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| 10:13.51 | FJ_Sanchez | Mmm, maybe |
| 10:14.04 | keko_ | heh :) |
| 10:14.35 | FJ_Sanchez | I think that yes |
| 10:14.56 | petemc | its probably that |
| 10:14.56 | petemc | FJ_Sanchez: does it happen when you're idle for a short period? |
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| 10:15.06 | petemc | then its almost certainly that |
| 10:15.18 | FJ_Sanchez | I was typing... |
| 10:15.21 | petemc | there are keepalive options for ssh, but they dont always work |
| 10:15.38 | petemc | FJ_Sanchez: wait, which is it, idle or typing? |
| 10:15.45 | FJ_Sanchez | typing |
| 10:15.57 | FJ_Sanchez | I was typing to install a package then, reset |
| 10:15.58 | any0ne_ | nobody to help me ? |
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| 10:16.15 | any0ne_ | with my multi key for losetup ? |
| 10:17.20 | FJ_Sanchez | Now I cannot connect at all... I've to go to the servers room... |
| 10:17.23 | FJ_Sanchez | br |
| 10:17.56 | sanelson | what's the syntax to rebuild the package, using ar? I can't seem to get it right, perhaps am misunderstanding the man page. |
| 10:18.09 | sanelson | I have its contents under /tmp_pkg |
| 10:18.24 | sanelson | ar -c ../my.db /tmp_pkg/* ? |
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| 10:20.10 | kuba | Hey.i've got a problem.i've got installed ubuntu on my hard drive and now i want to install also debian.but in text installator i don't know how to use free space and make partitions? |
| 10:20.33 | Talnakh_ | hi everyone, i am trying to convert a html page into an email. does anyone know what is the best way to do this? |
| 10:20.43 | kuba | there is a free space but how make partitions?? |
| 10:20.57 | streuner | !d-i kuba |
| 10:20.57 | dpkg | kuba, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:21.07 | liable | huh? |
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| 10:21.23 | liable | kuba: the installer should let you chose the free space |
| 10:21.43 | streuner | he can just use the existing partitions... |
| 10:21.54 | liable | he wants to have both |
| 10:22.02 | streuner | that's nonsense |
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| 10:22.23 | liable | no its not. why cant he dual boot? |
| 10:22.41 | daniele_athome | hello I wonder if I can activate composite extension only for one application |
| 10:22.51 | daniele_athome | xcompmgr makes the environment too slow |
| 10:23.03 | daniele_athome | i want composite only for one application can I do this? |
| 10:23.14 | sanelson | I get "no operation specified" but I did specify -c - create... |
| 10:23.47 | Nemoder_ | daniele_athome: I don't know of any window managers that allow that |
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| 10:24.34 | EdwardTLS_ | morning... |
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| 10:25.41 | EdwardTLS_ | during installation the installer has problems finding my disk.. it's a sas adaptec 9410 controller |
| 10:26.12 | EdwardTLS_ | who can help me out figuring out how to compile the module... ? |
| 10:26.23 | Onur | Hi. I am using xfce4-terminal. But it isn't support utf8 characters. I try to start `LANG=en_US.UTF-8 xfce4-terminal` itsn't worked. Do you have any idea? |
| 10:26.34 | streuner | !b-e EdwardTLS |
| 10:26.34 | dpkg | EdwardTLS: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 10:26.39 | EdwardTLS_ | I tried usting a module compiled on a newer kernel ie not 2.6.18.4 |
| 10:26.55 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, when I do netstat -a I get TCP6 in the sshd... is it normal? |
| 10:26.57 | streuner | EdwardTLS_: you'll need the header files as well |
| 10:27.04 | FJ_Sanchez | I get Connection refused when attemping to connect... |
| 10:27.24 | liable | !connection refused |
| 10:27.24 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 10:28.07 | EdwardTLS_ | streuner, this is during installations so on a nother machine I should build the kernel... |
| 10:28.08 | FJ_Sanchez | Yes, then I can figure that sshd is running in IPv6 by default? |
| 10:29.05 | EdwardTLS_ | streuner, the 2.6.18 kernel does not have the driver built in yet |
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| 10:30.20 | markybob | EdwardTLS_: you could install with sarge using 2.6.20.1 and then upgrade to etch. http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 10:30.22 | tziku | hello, my hdd is full , how can i see what file or where gone all my space ? |
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| 10:31.38 | Maulkin | tziku: run "df -h" to see which bit is full |
| 10:31.51 | Nemoder_ | tziku: the app baobab might help you |
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| 10:32.20 | markybob | tziku: du -ah / |more might be what you want |
| 10:32.44 | markybob | tziku: probably just log files in /var/log/ du -sh /var/log to see how big that is |
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| 10:33.12 | Nemoder_ | baobab gives a nice graphical display of where the most disk space is used but it requires X |
| 10:33.24 | tziku | thanks :) |
| 10:33.24 | tziku | now i'm lookng at du -ah :P |
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| 10:33.50 | EdwardTLS_ | markybob, well that's true..... Only it's won't be a AMD64 platform |
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| 10:34.31 | markybob | EdwardTLS_: then go to #debian-boot on irc.debian.org and see if one of those guys have an amd64 updated installer. that's the office installer channel |
| 10:35.12 | markybob | official* |
| 10:35.23 | minus | Can someone help me set up my WLan to work? Debian Lenny.. |
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| 10:35.37 | azeem | minus: explain what you're trying to do and how it fails |
| 10:35.37 | EdwardTLS_ | cool tnx |
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| 10:35.45 | azeem | minus: and maybe somebody will have an idea |
| 10:35.57 | ihate88 | hi everyone. i am running testing for 2 weeks now. i am a little annoeyed about the Desktop folder in my homedir. people mentioned something about a "~/.hidden/" -folder, but I couldn't search for it because google strips the dot. What is the use of that folder? |
| 10:36.12 | minus | azeem, if ido "iwconfig" it says that i don't have a wireless card.. |
| 10:36.16 | minus | but i do |
| 10:36.35 | endra | where to get 'make' from |
| 10:36.35 | azeem | minus: don't address me, I'm going for lunch now and others won't help you |
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| 10:36.50 | azeem | minus: what kind of card is it? |
| 10:37.06 | minus | azeem, tbh, i don't know X| |
| 10:37.09 | Edward_TLS | what was the debian installer # ? |
| 10:37.15 | azeem | minus: is it builtin? |
| 10:37.16 | markybob | EdwardTLS_: then go to #debian-boot on irc.debian.org and see if one of those guys have an amd64 updated installer. that's the office installer channel |
| 10:37.21 | minus | azeem, nope |
| 10:37.27 | minus | its a PCI |
| 10:37.44 | azeem | minus: run "lspci | grep Network" |
| 10:37.47 | Edward_TLS | boot i got it |
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| 10:38.07 | minus | azeem, nothing comes up |
| 10:38.18 | azeem | minus: then run lspci and paste the output to a pastebin |
| 10:38.19 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:38.19 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 10:38.59 | minus | azeem, think i found the wlan.. |
| 10:39.03 | minus | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006X 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 10:39.07 | azeem | !atheros |
| 10:39.13 | azeem | !madwifi |
| 10:39.13 | dpkg | madwifi is, like, for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 10:39.17 | azeem | minus: ^^ |
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| 10:39.39 | azeem | !madwifi.one.liner |
| 10:39.39 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi.one.liner was run # apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r|sed 's/.{6\}\.*/\1/'` linux-headers-`uname -r` build-essential bzip2 subversion; cd /usr/src; svn checkout http://svn.madwifi.org/trunk madwifi-ng ; tar xvjf linux-source-`uname -r|sed 's/.{6\}\.*/\1/'`.tar.bz2; cd madwifi-ng; touch noask; make; make install; modprobe ath_pci; echo "ath_pci" >> /etc/modules; dhclient ath0; see also madwifi.one.liner.help |
| 10:39.48 | azeem | uh |
| 10:39.52 | azeem | that can't be right |
| 10:40.05 | minus | o_O |
| 10:40.10 | liable | yikes |
| 10:40.28 | liable | thats a wee bit complicated than it needs to be |
| 10:40.43 | liable | minus: go to madwifi.org and read the newbiedocs |
| 10:40.48 | azeem | !madwifi-install |
| 10:40.48 | dpkg | methinks madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 10:40.57 | minus | liable, ill do that |
| 10:40.57 | azeem | minus: ^^ |
| 10:41.17 | azeem | dpkg: no, madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 10:41.18 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
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| 10:41.37 | azeem | dpkg: forget madwifi.one-liner |
| 10:41.38 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'madwifi.one-liner' to forget, azeem |
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| 10:41.41 | azeem | dpkg: forget madwifi.one.liner |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | azeem: i forgot madwifi.one.liner |
| 10:41.52 | azeem | dpkg: forget madwifi.one.liner.help |
| 10:41.52 | dpkg | azeem: i forgot madwifi.one.liner.help |
| 10:41.58 | liable | minus: you need to check the compat guide for that chip, not sure its supported yet |
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| 10:43.39 | minus | liable, It worked under Kubuntu.. |
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| 10:43.55 | minus | and ubuntu is debian based, so.. |
| 10:44.01 | Maulkin | !based |
| 10:44.04 | Maulkin | bah |
| 10:44.25 | FJ_Sanchez | I need help... cannot connect to my server throught ssh... |
| 10:44.34 | FJ_Sanchez | I could connect, then after 4-5 secs I get discconnect |
| 10:44.38 | markybob | !debian based |
| 10:44.38 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:44.39 | FJ_Sanchez | Now I get connection refused... |
| 10:44.45 | Maulkin | That's the one. |
| 10:44.58 | markybob | i wish people would just read the fucking topic |
| 10:45.04 | zapalotta | I just installed etch on a server with a promise RAID (FastTrack 150), install went fine, but the system won't boot (OS not found). Does anybody have an idea? The RAID contains of two disks mirrored |
| 10:45.10 | Maulkin | FJ_Sanchez: I'm guessing that's the only way you can connect to the server? |
| 10:45.23 | FJ_Sanchez | No, I can go to it fisically |
| 10:45.29 | Maulkin | zapalotta: make sure the raid array is marked as bootable |
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| 10:45.31 | FJ_Sanchez | It's in the servers room |
| 10:45.32 | minus | and that Atheos == ath0 |
| 10:45.37 | minus | i dont have athO |
| 10:45.40 | minus | 0* |
| 10:45.41 | Maulkin | FJ_Sanchez: It'll be worth checking logs |
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| 10:46.07 | Maulkin | FJ_Sanchez: remotely, try running "ssh -vvv servername" and getting the last few lines of the log |
| 10:46.16 | Talnakh_ | fjsanchez, you probably run out of space or DNS changed so now SSH timeouts |
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| 10:47.19 | FJ_Sanchez | It seems that sshd is running in tcp (before it was in tcp6) in port 2200 but cannot connect... |
| 10:47.33 | FJ_Sanchez | The verbose options aren't usesfull |
| 10:47.36 | Maulkin | FJ_Sanchez: what's the output of -vvv ? |
| 10:47.47 | liable | check your firewall |
| 10:48.01 | FJ_Sanchez | liable I could connect a few seconds |
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| 10:48.15 | FJ_Sanchez | But I'll have to chek this |
| 10:48.48 | FJ_Sanchez | By default it all disabled, isn't it? |
| 10:48.54 | FJ_Sanchez | It's a fresh debian install |
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| 10:49.29 | liable | yes it is, i mean in between the box, at the router or the box you are ssh'ing from |
| 10:49.30 | Lisa555 | hi |
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| 10:49.40 | dimir | hoi |
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| 10:49.50 | beweiss | hi lisa |
| 10:49.51 | beweiss | : |
| 10:49.53 | beweiss | :) |
| 10:50.23 | Lisa555 | this is more complicated than i tought |
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| 10:50.38 | FJ_Sanchez | The server have it's own public IP, maybe it's a problem of the inner LAN |
| 10:50.44 | FJ_Sanchez | I'm going to check this |
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| 10:51.15 | dimir | A girl trying GNU/Linux? |
| 10:51.37 | markybob | dimir: hush. you'll ruin it. |
| 10:51.38 | Lisa555 | no redhat |
| 10:51.52 | Talnakh_ | dimir, http://women.debian.org/profiles/ |
| 10:51.54 | Lisa555 | fedora |
| 10:52.03 | markybob | Lisa555: then you're in the wrong channel. go to #fedora |
| 10:52.05 | dimir | and joined #debian! \o/ |
| 10:52.20 | dimir | markybob: hey, that's perfect following women logic! |
| 10:52.33 | markybob | !penixstrike dimir |
| 10:52.34 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dimir to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:52.37 | Lisa555 | maybe but only console questions |
| 10:52.48 | markybob | Lisa555: we dont care. this is #debian, not #fedora |
| 10:52.50 | Lisa555 | maybe here the specialists :-) |
| 10:53.25 | dimir | 8) |
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| 10:53.58 | Lisa555 | fedora is no problem, unix is the problem always |
| 10:54.04 | bzed | !not debian |
| 10:54.04 | Talnakh_ | ich bin expert |
| 10:54.04 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:54.17 | bzed | uh |
| 10:54.23 | bzed | well you even have a different package maanger |
| 10:54.25 | markybob | Lisa555: what part of the topic in #debian is debian dont you really get? |
| 10:54.30 | bzed | you don;t want to be here Lisa555 |
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| 10:54.33 | TareqRehman | hello |
| 10:54.38 | TareqRehman | how i can setup vpn on my debian ? |
| 10:54.42 | any0ne_ | i have a problem with losetup. I try to crypt hard drive with loop-aes but when i want to losetup -F i have error "LOOP_MULTI_KEY_SETUP: Invalid argument" and don't find how to active multi-key mode |
| 10:54.51 | phogg | Lisa555: if you want general Linux help, try ##linux. |
| 10:54.56 | Talnakh_ | lisa555, can you just shoot the question really quickly |
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| 10:55.15 | Lisa555 | for example sending tpics to win |
| 10:55.26 | markybob | fucking fuck |
| 10:55.29 | Talnakh_ | ok wrong channel |
| 10:55.30 | Lisa555 | i have on my bill gates maschine installed cygwin |
| 10:55.41 | markybob | Lisa555: please take this elsewhere |
| 10:55.57 | Lisa555 | k maybe better |
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| 10:56.15 | Talnakh_ | lisa555, sorry it is very basic and you dont need us to help you. just google it a bit |
| 10:56.19 | Talnakh_ | it is easy though |
| 10:56.31 | dimir | Lisa555: install winscp on your win and connect to unix host running sshd from there. This way you can transfer files from/to remote unix host to/from win. |
| 10:56.55 | Talnakh_ | or you can use mutt mail client to send pics as attachments |
| 10:56.58 | any0ne_ | no idea for me ??? |
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| 10:57.21 | Lisa555 | ok I see the specialist but where can I make some easy question nobody feels bortherd |
| 10:57.23 | phogg | any0ne_: the magic 8 ball says 'try again later' |
| 10:57.30 | markybob | any0ne_: why are you using loop, anyway? dm-crypt is a much better solution for crypt |
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| 10:57.57 | markybob | Lisa555: try #fedora or ##linux |
| 10:58.18 | Lisa555 | ok |
| 10:58.20 | any0ne_ | more secure i think |
| 10:58.20 | dimir | Lisa555: get this on win box http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/winscp/winscp400setup.exe, install it, run it, connect to unix box, start transferring files. |
| 10:58.34 | Lisa555 | ok thx |
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| 10:58.56 | markybob | any0ne_: that's not right. there's a reason why dm-crypt is now the standard and overtook the old loop method |
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| 10:59.14 | markybob | any0ne_: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2433 |
| 11:00.16 | any0ne_ | but cryptoloop is diferent by loop-aes no ? |
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| 11:00.51 | dezent | does anyone know why it would take 30 minutes to boot a system with an initrd thats 60mb, and 15 seconds for same system with 50mb initrd ? |
| 11:00.59 | FJ_Sanchez | No way... it's really weird... I cannot connect |
| 11:01.28 | FJ_Sanchez | Still more weird... now I can connect... |
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| 11:05.32 | artagnon | At startup, just before the login, I get a message saying "Can not open display! Failed to initalise display." I enabled bootlog but even that doesn't tell me which program said that |
| 11:05.36 | artagnon | How do I find out? |
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| 11:10.07 | Corrupted | HELLOW |
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| 11:10.12 | Corrupted | anyone know any VPN Server daemon ? |
| 11:10.12 | any0ne_ | markybob> you know or not how to activate multi key mode ??? |
| 11:10.24 | Corrupted | like i want to setup a server daemon like findnot in my sevrer |
| 11:11.17 | markybob | any0ne_: yes. you use dm-crypt with luks |
| 11:11.45 | markybob | any0ne_: a simple google of those two terms will give you a wide range of tutorials |
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| 11:14.20 | Mnc | I've got a debian box that is acting up. ssh/ftp/vnc isnt starting up, and I don't really know what to do. Any suggestions as to where I should look? I've tried some logfiles, but I can't really see any errors. |
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| 11:15.12 | Maulkin | Mnc: /var/log/syslog? |
| 11:15.16 | zapalotta | Hmm, the debian installer still sees two Disks, though I initialized a RAID 1 in the controller. Windows sees only one disk. Does anybody have an Idea? |
| 11:15.33 | Maulkin | Mnc: What does "/etc/init.d/ssh start" do? |
| 11:15.58 | Mnc | starting it fine |
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| 11:16.18 | danielss89 | Hi, im trying to start my newly installed proftpd server but get these errors: root@danielss89:~# /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 11:16.18 | danielss89 | Starting ftp server: proftpd failed! |
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| 11:16.29 | hardcoffee | hello all |
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| 11:17.21 | markybob | danielss89: check your logs. telling us it wont start really does nothing to help yourself. |
| 11:17.23 | hardcoffee | i m trying to put my xbox pad again ( the modules who need to be load is = joydev, anamog and xpad ?? only that ? ) |
| 11:17.44 | danielss89 | markybob ive checked the proftpd log, and theres nothing.. |
| 11:17.45 | Mnc | Maulkin: But since my ftp server isn't starting up either, I thought that it must had been the system messing up instead. I just don't know where to look |
| 11:18.00 | markybob | danielss89: check the syslog |
| 11:18.10 | Mnc | But I have tried the syslog, and I can't really find anything inthere. |
| 11:18.35 | markybob | Mnc: what's your ftp server? what do you use for vnc? |
| 11:18.53 | Mnc | proftp, tightvncserver |
| 11:19.07 | markybob | wtf is it with people running proftp today? |
| 11:19.15 | Mnc | they all usually work fine |
| 11:19.25 | Maulkin | Mnc: does ti start ok with /etc/init.d/proftpd start? |
| 11:19.28 | Mnc | markybob: That's the ftpd I know :P |
| 11:19.33 | markybob | !vsftpd |
| 11:19.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
| 11:19.52 | markybob | and debian.org, of course |
| 11:20.13 | Mnc | Maulkin: not atm as I am on a rescue system. the paths are messed up :) |
| 11:20.23 | Mnc | but sshd start worked fine |
| 11:20.39 | danielss89 | markybob nothing there either markw |
| 11:20.47 | Maulkin | Mnc: ahh, ok. what's the output of "ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*proftp*" ? |
| 11:21.04 | danielss89 | oh it was running :P |
| 11:21.34 | Mnc | "rc0.d/K50proftpd -> ../init.d/proftpd" and 6 others. K50/S50 |
| 11:21.50 | Maulkin | the rc2.d one... |
| 11:21.56 | Maulkin | is that a S or a K? |
| 11:22.01 | Mnc | S |
| 11:22.04 | Maulkin | bah |
| 11:22.09 | Maulkin | Shoudl work then |
| 11:22.17 | Maulkin | Same for ssh ? |
| 11:22.21 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.25 | Mnc | As I said, it all usually works fine. I think it just never gets that far |
| 11:22.37 | danielss89 | markybob -> what does this mean: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'potterskolen.dk' error: Name or service not known |
| 11:22.37 | danielss89 | . |
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| 11:22.55 | Mnc | Same for SSH. KK,SSSS,K |
| 11:22.59 | Appiah | are you going to use ipv6? |
| 11:23.00 | Maulkin | ta |
| 11:23.02 | Appiah | for the ftp? |
| 11:23.17 | Maulkin | Mnc: I'd look at /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log |
| 11:23.25 | Appiah | potterskolen.dk dosent look like IPv6 to me |
| 11:23.37 | Maulkin | Mnc: Especially syslog. It should tellyou if it's trying to start it |
| 11:23.38 | danielss89 | Appiah what should IPv6 look like= |
| 11:23.43 | Appiah | >_> |
| 11:23.52 | danielss89 | :P |
| 11:24.00 | markybob | empty if you dont know :) iow not set in the config |
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| 11:24.08 | danielss89 | !tell danielss89 aboyt IPv6 |
| 11:24.17 | danielss89 | !tell danielss89 about IPv6 |
| 11:24.21 | FJ_Sanchez | It's stable mysql-5 ? |
| 11:24.26 | markybob | dont confuse yourself. just dont mess with it and take it out of the config |
| 11:24.31 | Maulkin | danielss89: or "/msg dpkg IPv6" |
| 11:24.48 | Maulkin | FJ_Sanchez: yes |
| 11:24.56 | FJ_Sanchez | for production env? |
| 11:25.00 | Maulkin | yes |
| 11:25.04 | FJ_Sanchez | Ok thx |
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| 11:25.11 | Mnc | it doesn't even find "ssh" in either syslog or kern.log :S |
| 11:25.25 | biz | hi, how can i specify my cdrom and my dvd device in debian? (for the symlinks in /dev) |
| 11:25.34 | Mnc | "error" isn't found in syslog either |
| 11:25.43 | stew | Mnc: so proftp use to start, but now it doesn't? |
| 11:25.56 | Mnc | ye, and sshd/vnc |
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| 11:26.06 | stew | Mnc: do you run it standalone or via inetd? |
| 11:26.16 | Mnc | standalone iirc |
| 11:26.22 | liable | biz: in what context? |
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| 11:26.33 | zamuro | Morning all |
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| 11:26.57 | stew | Mnc: what does "grep RUN /etc/default/proftpd" return? |
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| 11:27.30 | Mnc | nothing atm... trying to reboot it, and let it be for a few minutes |
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| 11:28.34 | danielss89 | wuhu... connected.. |
| 11:29.50 | danielss89 | hmm it seems like im locked into my home directory.. how can i unlock my user :P |
| 11:29.50 | minus | ehm.. can someone help me with my iPod.. GTKPOD doesn't seem to work. :/ |
| 11:29.50 | biz | liable: /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd link to hdc, however i want to use hdc for the dvd link and hdd for the cdrom link. seems like these links are recreated at boot time? |
| 11:29.55 | minus | '/media/TEH\ IPOD/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted. |
| 11:30.26 | liable | biz: yup, see /usr/share/doc/udev, theres some good docs in there for making rules for consistent naming |
| 11:30.33 | Mnc | danielss89: You could set DefaultRoot / |
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| 11:30.42 | liable | biz: both cant link to hdc |
| 11:31.00 | danielss89 | Mnc whats the command for that :P |
| 11:31.02 | Mnc | But it would be the same for all users |
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| 11:31.29 | Mnc | Just add it in the proftpd.conf - but again, all users would then see / when they connect |
| 11:31.36 | hardcoffee | i m trying to put my xbox pad again ( the modules who need to be load is = joydev, analog and xpad ?? only that ? ) i put xserver-xorg-input too |
| 11:31.43 | biz | liable: thanks |
| 11:35.38 | Mnc | stew: RUN="yes" |
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| 11:38.01 | Mnc | But I don't think that my problem is the services themselves. |
| 11:38.05 | Mnc | None of them start.. |
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| 11:40.21 | kevinFromSkool | Hello. which channel must I use to ask questions about KDE on etch ? |
| 11:40.53 | xand | kevinFromSkool: here or #debian-kde |
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| 11:42.06 | kevinFromSkool | thanks |
| 11:42.36 | hardcoffee | someone is playing with an xbox controler on his debian plzz ????????????????????????????? |
| 11:42.54 | liable | !ep |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 11:43.18 | petemc | hardcoffee: lose the question marks, check xbox-scene.com for a guide |
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| 11:46.11 | Mnc | If I had added a startup-script for Folding@Home withouth "&" in the start), would it then start folding and stop booting the system? |
| 11:46.26 | Mnc | The guide had &'s i think. |
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| 11:48.07 | stew | Mnc: its possible. does the init script not use start-stop-daemon? |
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| 11:48.24 | stew | Mnc: can you show us the init script? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 11:49.15 | Mnc | http://paste.debian.net/26461 |
| 11:49.24 | Mnc | That did it |
| 11:49.26 | liable | what number did you give it in rc2.d? |
| 11:49.41 | MatBoy | !mmo |
| 11:49.41 | Mnc | I removed the link from rc2.d and it boots now |
| 11:49.43 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 11:49.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 11:49.50 | Mnc | I had S20 |
| 11:49.59 | Mnc | It |
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| 11:50.40 | liable | make it 99 |
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| 11:51.34 | lvalue | hi, any recommendations for a very lightweight dns server that will have to idle 99.9% of the time ? :) |
| 11:51.39 | liable | better yet, fix the script, or just put the command in rc.local |
| 11:51.50 | xand | lvalue: well I use dnsmasq |
| 11:52.08 | Arafangion | How do I run my external screen at 90 Hz, but my laptop screen at the usual 60Hz? |
| 11:52.15 | Mnc | ./FAH502-Linux.exe -forceasm 2 &1 & <--- Can anyone explain what does what... after -forceasm |
| 11:52.29 | Mnc | The "2 & 1 &" |
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| 11:52.38 | FJ_Sanchez | !cron |
| 11:52.38 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 11:52.47 | lvalue | xand, does it support reverse dns records ? |
| 11:52.50 | stew | Mnc: consider writing a real init script, look at /etc/init.d/skeleton you should be using start-stop-daemon |
| 11:52.59 | kombi | how do I remedy "can't get lock for download dir"? |
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| 11:53.23 | xand | lvalue: it's rather simple... it caches external dns and uses the /etc/hosts file on the machine its running for other stuff |
| 11:53.27 | kombi | sorry, that being /var/cache/apt/lock |
| 11:53.37 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, how can I use cron.dayly ? Only placinf a file with the command to exec? |
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| 11:53.48 | liable | Mnc: looks like your missing a > |
| 11:54.17 | Mnc | Perhabs I should just settle for starting it manually :| |
| 11:54.23 | Mnc | That I can handle |
| 11:54.52 | lvalue | xand, well, i probably had to say it from the beginning, the server will be used only for reverse lookups from the outside world |
| 11:55.01 | kombi | what happens in /var/cache/apt/partial ? |
| 11:55.24 | liable | kombi: half downloads i presume |
| 11:55.39 | Maulkin | parially downloaded packages |
| 11:56.16 | kombi | liable: that I presumed as well, just tried ls in it and cli freezes.. |
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| 11:57.08 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: yes, but the filename must conform to the guidelines in 'man run-parts' |
| 11:57.18 | stew | FJ_Sanchez: and must be +x |
| 11:57.19 | kombi | also postfix always stalls at 65% even from different mirrors, I tried to clear the partial dir but to no avail |
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| 11:58.36 | fengor | is enough diskspace available? |
| 11:58.49 | kombi | plenty.. |
| 11:58.54 | fengor | hmm o |
| 11:58.56 | fengor | k |
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| 11:59.51 | liable | i dont even have a partial dir |
| 11:59.55 | FJ_Sanchez | is there anyway to see if a file placed in /etc/cron.daily/ is already in crontab? |
| 12:00.08 | FJ_Sanchez | Or it isn't at crontab, only exec every hour |
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| 12:01.41 | hardcoffee | hi on lsmod (for my joystick) o got this=>> xpad 11008 0 |
| 12:01.41 | hardcoffee | joydev 15360 0 |
| 12:01.41 | hardcoffee | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.11 | hardcoffee | should i need to attach something to it ? |
| 12:02.16 | FJ_Sanchez | I'm going |
| 12:02.20 | FJ_Sanchez | time to lunch |
| 12:02.22 | FJ_Sanchez | bye bye |
| 12:02.36 | kombi | can I savely empty out /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 12:03.04 | crm_ | i tried installing "debian.exe" from my winxp box but it didn't work well |
| 12:03.17 | crm_ | i think there was a problem with the file system |
| 12:03.18 | Maulkin | kombi: run "apt-get clean" to do that |
| 12:03.27 | crm_ | has anyone done the successfully? |
| 12:03.34 | kombi | Maulkin: did, but that never ended succesfully.. |
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| 12:03.46 | crm_ | err this |
| 12:04.07 | Maulkin | kombi: What's the output of "dmesg|tail" say? |
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| 12:05.09 | stew | kombi: yes you can. you can always remove any file in /var/cache (but you can't necessarily remove directorys in /var/cache) |
| 12:06.01 | kombi | Maulkin: http://pastebin.ca/457440 |
| 12:06.35 | kombi | stew: so rm -r /var/cache/apt/archives would do? |
| 12:07.00 | stew | kombi: no, i said you CAN'T remove directories |
| 12:07.17 | kombi | stew: right.. |
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| 12:08.26 | kombi | stew: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/* never returns a thing.. |
| 12:09.04 | hardcoffee | where is can have a list of module for my kernel ???????????? |
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| 12:09.19 | Ronin | !tell hardcoffee about ep |
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| 12:09.45 | DimGR_lap | hi , when using make-kpkg to build a kernel whats the trick to provide a name in your new kernel like 2.6.20-blabla ? |
| 12:09.51 | liable | hardcoffee: dude, will you stop doing that. it makes people *not* want to help you |
| 12:10.04 | simonrvn | damned annoying |
| 12:10.32 | liable | DimGR_lap: --version iirc |
| 12:10.43 | DimGR_lap | give me the full syntax? |
| 12:10.50 | liable | theres another too, but i never use em |
| 12:10.51 | stew | kombi: you mean, it hangs? |
| 12:10.53 | kombi | or --revision=myBrandNewKernel |
| 12:10.59 | bzed | DimGR_lap: make-kpkg --append-to-version '-foobar' |
| 12:11.02 | kombi | stew: yip.. |
| 12:11.06 | simonrvn | --append-to-version |
| 12:11.08 | liable | DimGR_lap: heh, no, dont be a lazy sod :P |
| 12:11.08 | DimGR_lap | k |
| 12:11.09 | bzed | kombi: that's only the debian revision |
| 12:11.16 | bzed | DimGR_lap: man make-kpkg ;) |
| 12:11.30 | bzed | DimGR_lap: you could also edit the Makefile |
| 12:11.31 | danielss89 | hi, ime trying to send email with php via postfix but this is what my log says: connect to transport smtp: connection refused.. |
| 12:11.36 | kombi | bzed: I thought that's what he meant.. |
| 12:11.37 | danielss89 | how can i fix this? |
| 12:11.45 | Maulkin | kombi: Your hard drive is nackerd |
| 12:11.47 | liable | ah yes, --apend-to-version is what i was thinking |
| 12:12.01 | stew | kombi: what Maulkin said |
| 12:12.02 | liable | and revision is the one i couldnt think ;) |
| 12:12.09 | kombi | Maulkin: yeek! how do I tackle? |
| 12:12.14 | Maulkin | kombi: buy a new one :) |
| 12:12.16 | simonrvn | danielss89: connection refused: not running, or blocked (probably the former) |
| 12:12.21 | liable | open box; replace drive |
| 12:12.34 | DimGR_lap | 1 nore thing , how do you view which process is assigned to each cpu in a smp system? |
| 12:12.39 | stew | kombi: if you are extremly lucky actually your cable is bad and the drive is ok |
| 12:12.57 | Mortuis | What do you append to a cron job to get it to stop mailing you? |
| 12:13.07 | simonrvn | MAILTO= |
| 12:13.14 | simonrvn | at the top |
| 12:13.26 | simonrvn | or /dev/null it |
| 12:13.59 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:14.04 | kevinFromSkool | anybody could halp me with my KDE/xdmcp post upgrade sarge/etch problem? |
| 12:14.05 | Mortuis | How do you /dev/null it? I only want to stop mail from a few scripts. I remember it was something like "crontabcommand >1 /dev/null |
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| 12:14.14 | Mortuis | ah, thanks |
| 12:14.16 | mark123 | hi, is it possible to install a non-threaded perl on debian-testing? |
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| 12:15.01 | danielss89 | simonrvn hm the courier-authdaemon is started, and postfix also.. |
| 12:15.26 | kombi | stew, Maulkin: thanks! Box is going on the couch.. |
| 12:15.35 | Maulkin | mark123: a what? |
| 12:16.04 | fengor | danielss89: did you allow localhost to send mail in your postfix configuration? |
| 12:16.21 | DimGR_lap | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.06 | Maulkin | DimGR_lap: Possibly something in /proc/ |
| 12:17.06 | danielss89 | fengor uhhm... i dont know.. what does the perimiter look like? |
| 12:17.17 | Maulkin | DimGR_lap: Can't check at the moment though |
| 12:17.40 | fengor | danielss89: http://www.postfix.org/basic.html |
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| 12:18.05 | psyche_ | does someone know where i can change evilwm background? |
| 12:18.11 | psyche_ | where is evilwm configs? |
| 12:18.24 | Maulkin | ~/.evilwm ? |
| 12:18.34 | rpc | is there a method of displaying established connections to the host but including those going to the machine that is being bridged? |
| 12:18.45 | psyche_ | oh yes... that was on /home directory |
| 12:18.56 | danielss89 | fengor is it mynetworks? |
| 12:19.06 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.13 | psyche_ | Maulkin well no... |
| 12:19.14 | Maulkin | rpc: netstat should IIRC |
| 12:19.35 | psyche_ | no |
| 12:19.40 | psyche_ | i already check that |
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| 12:19.40 | psyche_ | and /etc/X11 also |
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| 12:19.44 | Maulkin | psyche_: xsetroot should be able to do ti |
| 12:20.01 | psyche_ | i know but i dont know what is argument for background |
| 12:20.08 | Maulkin | hsetroot for an image |
| 12:20.08 | psyche_ | well... i stop trolling, i just use google |
| 12:20.17 | rpc | let me rephrase - how do you tell netstat to show connections established on br0? or do i need another tool for that? |
| 12:21.11 | rpc | i know it's possible to see all the connections.. i once had it working and forgot the damn command/syntax |
| 12:21.30 | rpc | just every single tcp/ip in established regardless the interface |
| 12:22.51 | zapalotta | does anybody use a HighPoint RocketRAID 2210 with Etch? |
| 12:22.53 | danielss89 | hmm fengor my relayhost is 127.0.0.1/8 and mynetworks is the same |
| 12:23.15 | Maulkin | rpc: "man netstat" may help you :) |
| 12:23.36 | fengor | should be ok then, what do your postfix logs say |
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| 12:23.51 | zapalotta | or does anybody know about a hardware database for debian (like SuSE's HDB)? |
| 12:23.56 | rpc | Maulkin i am manning and nothing helpful comes up so far |
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| 12:24.05 | Maulkin | rpc: netstat -a|grep EST |
| 12:24.12 | rpc | Maulkin so? |
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| 12:24.25 | rpc | do you REALLY think it would show connections going to the other machine over br0? :) |
| 12:24.28 | Maulkin | rpc: that should list all ESTABLISHED connections |
| 12:24.45 | rpc | yes but only for one IP, the main one |
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| 12:25.23 | rpc | there is another machine using different IP and it's connections are going tru the host over br0 |
| 12:25.41 | rpc | i need to see/filter them, netstat -a won't do this for me |
| 12:25.46 | Maulkin | ahh, ok |
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| 12:25.51 | Maulkin | Have a look at iptraf |
| 12:25.58 | rpc | i know iptraf |
| 12:26.05 | Maulkin | taht may work (not sure how well it works for non-phyical interfaces though) |
| 12:26.09 | rpc | i need a command line tool so i can work the output |
| 12:26.15 | Maulkin | iptraf |
| 12:26.26 | Maulkin | It's also a command line tool |
| 12:26.29 | rpc | hm. |
| 12:26.36 | beardy | tcptrack, iftop |
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| 12:26.49 | Maulkin | rpc: man iptraf |
| 12:27.09 | rpc | Maulkin it just said it wouldn't like my br0 |
| 12:27.16 | rpc | beardy oh wow |
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| 12:27.49 | Maulkin | rpc: I'm guessing br0 isn't a physical interface then? |
| 12:28.42 | rpc | beardy iftop looks so cool... thanks alot for this hint, even though it's a gui and i really need something netstat-like for now |
| 12:29.05 | beardy | rpc: Yes, they are nice. |
| 12:29.05 | rpc | Maulkin it's a bridge and technically speaking it's a networking device |
| 12:29.05 | beardy | rpc: yvw |
| 12:29.05 | rpc | beardy checking the other one |
| 12:29.06 | rpc | yvw? 3rd one? |
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| 12:29.16 | rpc | or some acronym to learn :) |
| 12:29.17 | beardy | you're very welcome |
| 12:29.22 | rpc | oh rofl :) ok |
| 12:29.38 | rpc | soon we will forget the language completely... |
| 12:30.29 | rpc | beardy and the other one... simply amasing too |
| 12:30.32 | rpc | nice toys |
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| 12:30.47 | beardy | rpc: I do agree with you, that typing things out as best one can, in the best English one has to show, but.. sometimes often repeated phrases I do think it is ok to shorten down, though I agree with you, too. |
| 12:31.22 | rpc | beardy he he |
| 12:32.13 | rpc | ok going to squize those two and see what comes out of that :) |
| 12:32.23 | kombi | stew, Maulkin: rebooted the box and all is fine, should I worry still? |
| 12:32.25 | beardy | rpc: Have fun. |
| 12:32.36 | rpc | thank you |
| 12:32.40 | stew | kombi: you should make a backup |
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| 12:32.44 | rpc | or ty :) |
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| 12:32.53 | rpc | or wait.. ta! |
| 12:33.18 | Maulkin | kombi: backup :) |
| 12:33.27 | beardy | rpc: Hehe, I am usually the one complaining when people speak like that, and now, I'm on the other side, heh.. |
| 12:33.28 | Maulkin | kombi: I'd also not trust the disk. |
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| 12:33.58 | beardy | rpc: You are most welcome, once again. |
| 12:34.11 | sanelson | ages ago, on a slackware install, I had a console font (ie not bitmapped) that was small - may have been console in a frame-buffer; so I could run emacs / w3m etc without X and had useable real-estate. Is this relatively easy to achieve? I'd like to be able to use a machine in the same way - screen, emacs, w3m, but no X. |
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| 12:34.59 | kombi | Maulkin: what's the mdadm command again to see whether things are good..? |
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| 12:35.07 | dancek | After reboot my x.org shows only a black screen. I didn't touch xorg.conf and am using i810. Any ideas where I should start looking? |
| 12:35.24 | beardy | samiam: Either a framebuffer at high resolution, or what you did before then, select another font. |
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| 12:36.49 | sanelson | beardy: is it just a boot option? |
| 12:36.57 | hark | sanelson: did the cursor thing get fixed? |
| 12:37.09 | rpc | beardy is it ok to ask you about one more thing? would you happen to know a tool that is able to break any established connection? by giving the ip or port |
| 12:37.09 | hark | sanelson: console-terminus ftw ;) |
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| 12:39.06 | beardy | sanelson: No, it is a program you run and change font, though it was so long ago since I played with it, I don't recall the name. |
| 12:39.06 | rpc | beardy i know i could do that with iptables easily but perhaps there is a better method |
| 12:39.06 | sanelson | hark: Just got back; I've had a look at the diverts in the preinstall script - can't see a problem; so commented them out; just trying to work out how to get my changes back into the .deb so I can install it with my alterations in place. |
| 12:39.06 | beardy | rpc: Hmm, not a simple nice that that just does that no.. I know ettercap can though. |
| 12:39.06 | hark | sanelson: did you do the dpkg-divert remove command? |
| 12:40.25 | hark | sanelson: this one: dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz |
| 12:40.25 | beardy | !apropos |
| 12:40.25 | dpkg | from memory, apropos is a way to find man pages all around, and to find the program you are looking for, you can man -k <thingie> or apropos <thingie> and it will tell you the man items that match your <thingie> |
| 12:40.25 | rpc | beardy thank you, reading up... |
| 12:40.42 | beardy | sanelson: Use apropos. Though I did it for you this once, 'man consolechars' |
| 12:41.31 | sanelson | hark: well, the file it refers to isn't there; cursor.pcf.gz |
| 12:42.28 | beardy | sanelson: consolechars (8) - load EGA/VGA console screen font, screen-font map, and/or application-charset map. |
| 12:42.37 | hark | sanelson: reinstall xfonts-base |
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| 12:42.52 | sanelson | hark: it says it's the latest version |
| 12:43.12 | hark | !find /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz |
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| 12:43.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz' returned no results. |
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| 12:45.02 | hark | sanelson: well, xfonts-base provides it |
| 12:45.21 | sanelson | i could install it manually, i suppose |
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| 12:49.50 | hark | sanelson: do the dpkg-diver command and reinstall xfonts-base |
| 12:49.50 | dancek | After a reboot xorg only gives me a black screen. It worked previously and I didn't touch config, might have updated. I'm using i810, if I switch to fbdev it works. |
| 12:49.51 | dancek | Mainly looking for help on where to look for the source of the problem - xorg.0.log doesn't seem to help |
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| 12:49.52 | Ahmadinejad | How do i search on which packages i have installed on my box? |
| 12:49.52 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 12:49.52 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 12:49.53 | Ahmadinejad | Can i search on packages that contain the word: "sql"? |
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| 12:49.56 | hark | sanelson: that's the reason you're getting the error in the first place |
| 12:49.56 | beardy | Ahmadinejad: What I (dpkg) said, | grep sql |
| 12:49.56 | aldin | how to resize image.png to image.png (128x128) over console |
| 12:49.56 | beardy | Ahmadinejad: or, 'man dpkg' |
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| 12:49.57 | stew | Ahmadinejad: "dpkg -l "*sql*"" the ones with a i in the second column are installed |
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| 12:50.01 | themill | aldin: imagemagick is nice. the command is convert |
| 12:50.02 | beardy | aldin: imagemagick, 'man convert' |
| 12:50.15 | Ahmadinejad | Thanks |
| 12:50.34 | aldin | themill: beardy thanks |
| 12:51.01 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 12:51.08 | Ahmadinejad | I cant remove the package:( |
| 12:51.14 | Ahmadinejad | It says it cant find it:( |
| 12:51.29 | Ahmadinejad | And i just copy/pasted from the list it made by itselfs |
| 12:51.30 | horden | Ahmadinejad: how is Iran? |
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| 12:52.30 | Ahmadinejad | Its great:) |
| 12:52.31 | sanelson | hark: fixed ;) |
| 12:52.38 | Ahmadinejad | Great food:) |
| 12:52.41 | sanelson | just removing that divert did the trick. |
| 12:52.43 | Ahmadinejad | Great mountains:) |
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| 12:52.48 | Ahmadinejad | And a lot more:P |
| 12:52.55 | Ahmadinejad | horden: where are you from? |
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| 12:53.06 | sanelson | so what *is* that divert? is it held in a database somewhere? how would one remove it manually (ie without using dpkg) ? |
| 12:53.08 | horden | Iran |
| 12:53.19 | Ahmadinejad | Are you in Iran right now+ |
| 12:53.20 | Ahmadinejad | ? |
| 12:53.29 | hark | sanelson: --list to see them. man dpkg-divert |
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| 12:54.25 | hark | sanelson: and about the font thing, the console-setup package is nice. install it and dpkg-reconfigure it to set the console font :) |
| 12:55.02 | beardy | Or just listen to me. |
| 12:55.06 | Brian_R | Good morning. Anyone know of a website that has a listing of 802.11g chipset(s) and what cards contain those chipsets, and how well they work with Debian? |
| 12:55.17 | hark | or that ;) |
| 12:55.29 | Brian_R | linuxquestions.org has one, but they don't have sort options to sort by interface or disto. |
| 12:55.29 | beardy | Brian_R: Google or your other search engine does. |
| 12:55.55 | petemc | !wireless |
| 12:55.55 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 12:55.58 | hark | the fsf keeps one too |
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| 12:56.55 | rdz | hello i am on stable and i just made 'apt-get dist-upgrade', since etch was released. now i have some issues: Depends: python2.3 (>= 2.3.2) but it is not installable |
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| 12:57.10 | rdz | is there a python2.3 package anymore? |
| 12:57.15 | stew | rdz: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 12:57.49 | beardy | sanelson: Btw though, if you use consolechars, remember the command to set the font back to a sane one, in case the font doesn't work at all, that you choose, I remember that atleast.. |
| 12:57.57 | rdz | stew, what did you try? i cannot follow |
| 12:58.08 | stew | !sarge->etch |
| 12:58.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 12:58.11 | stew | rdz: ^^ |
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| 12:58.28 | beardy | And DO read them. |
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| 12:58.58 | awk | how stable is etch at present, round about guess? |
| 12:59.06 | beardy | awk: Stable. |
| 12:59.06 | awk | safe enough to use for a small pabx system? |
| 12:59.16 | Maulkin | awk: Stable :) |
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| 12:59.16 | awk | ok, thanks! |
| 12:59.36 | Maulkin | awk: offically... etch has been released. |
| 12:59.46 | awk | busy builing it just wanted to double check hands on, not just some google rumors, as its normally the idiots that complain its unsable |
| 12:59.55 | nunu | hi e1, I've got a little question, I got debian/unstable and have a ext3 partition that I don't need,.. is it possible to "fit in" a gentoo system in that system? and if it is, will gentoo use my grub bootloader out of debian? and my kernel ? |
| 13:00.10 | awk | I like the idea that etch has bristuff 1.4 built in |
| 13:00.14 | Maulkin | nunu: you're best off checking with gentoo |
| 13:00.15 | awk | really really impressed :D |
| 13:00.45 | cga | hi all =) && is it possible to choose unstable from the 4.0r0 xfce iso with expertgui ??? |
| 13:00.46 | beardy | nunu: Why do you think we will help you move from Debian to gentoo? |
| 13:00.53 | awk | right |
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| 13:00.56 | cga | *during install of course |
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| 13:01.26 | cga | otherwise, is it just enough to change from etch to unstable in sources.list? |
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| 13:01.55 | nunu | -.- kk cya ^^ |
| 13:01.56 | kombi | Is there a tool to check disks / filesystems for integrity etc? |
| 13:02.24 | cga | kombi, fsck and badblocks (iirc the name) |
| 13:02.29 | kombi | fschk.. I remember |
| 13:02.37 | kombi | fsck even, thanks cga! |
| 13:02.44 | cga | np |
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| 13:05.56 | Maulkin | cga: IIRC, you can only install stable with that iso |
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| 13:06.47 | cga | Maulkin, weird... isn't it??? i used expertgui but didn't have the option to choose unstable. thanks anyway |
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| 13:06.54 | ccvp | hello fellow internet addicts - are we all looking forward to another long & glorious day of irc? yet again, eat, shit, wake up, rinse/repeat/recycle |
| 13:06.58 | cga | Maulkin, otherwise, is it just enough to change from etch to unstable in sources.list? |
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| 13:07.16 | enouf | cga: nnot likely .. you need a businesscard or netboot to install sid directly |
| 13:07.21 | bzed | cga: why would you want to install a complete system with unstable? |
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| 13:07.40 | cga | bzed, i want to use sid because am masochist :P |
| 13:07.40 | horden | ccvp: is that your life? |
| 13:07.43 | bzed | cga: but you could just install etch und upgrade to usntable, not a big problem |
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| 13:08.07 | cga | bzed, changing sources.list + update and dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:08.07 | bzed | cga: install etch, edit the sources.list and then apt-get update/dist-upgrade |
| 13:08.15 | cga | cool thanks |
| 13:08.17 | rdz | stew, thanks a lot. it looks like i am able to fix my issues |
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| 13:09.08 | awk | please can somebody read this paste |
| 13:09.08 | awk | http://www.pastebin.ca/457512 |
| 13:09.10 | awk | thank you |
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| 13:10.25 | Maulkin | awk: yup, I can read it fine |
| 13:10.31 | Maulkin | !non-us |
| 13:10.31 | dpkg | methinks non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 13:11.43 | awk | Maulkin: any sugestions? |
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| 13:12.24 | Maulkin | awk: Read what dpkg told you |
| 13:12.31 | Maulkin | non-us doesn't exist any more |
| 13:12.41 | awk | ahh sorry |
| 13:13.05 | Maulkin | awk: Are you upgrading from woody? |
| 13:13.15 | awk | nope, clean install |
| 13:13.20 | Maulkin | oh, ok... |
| 13:14.04 | phliver | Maybe somebody could point me in the right direction. I have been ripping music into a /home/media/Music directory and I would like those files to automatically be part of the "media" group and be group readable. What is the best way of going about doing this |
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| 13:15.45 | Maulkin | phliver: chmod -R g+r /home/media/Music; chgrp -R media /home/media/Music |
| 13:16.00 | Maulkin | chmod g+s /home/media/Music |
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| 13:16.01 | awk | Maulkin: well as its states its getting phased out, it doesn't really say what to put in its place? |
| 13:16.16 | Maulkin | awk: woody? Sarge replaced it about 2 years go... :) |
| 13:16.29 | Maulkin | awk: and then recently etch replaced sarge |
| 13:17.05 | Maulkin | awk: if you mean non-us - nothing, it's not needed any more |
| 13:17.19 | awk | yes, like I said, i'm using etch now. and just would like an example sources. |
| 13:17.24 | awk | so I can have all the backport stuff, etc |
| 13:17.33 | awk | do you have a link to a full debian etch source file? |
| 13:17.36 | stew | awk: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 13:17.40 | awk | sources.list |
| 13:18.17 | stew | awk: deb url etch main ; deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main ; where url is some url from "/msg dpkg mirrors" |
| 13:18.35 | awk | wow, never knew there was laws passing stuff from the US |
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| 13:18.50 | awk | thanks stew |
| 13:19.08 | stew | awk: yes, the whole reason for non-us was that strong crypto was considered munitions by the us, and exporting munitions is a problem |
| 13:19.21 | awk | wow, intresting |
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| 13:19.35 | beardy | Interesting, or stupid, yes indeed. |
| 13:19.41 | phliver | Maulkin: I'm familiar with the first line you returned, I have been doing that manually. Could you explain what g+s does? I didnt see it in the man page and I'm trying to find an answer using google. |
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| 13:20.04 | Maulkin | phliver: look for "sticky bit" |
| 13:20.23 | phliver | Maulkin: thanks |
| 13:21.12 | Maulkin | phliver: no. That's wronf |
| 13:21.26 | sixtymhz | haha. chemaja with the shameless plug. |
| 13:21.29 | Maulkin | the setuid bit |
| 13:21.31 | awk | this apt-spy is pretty leet, only used ubuntu really, so decided to play a bit with debian |
| 13:21.36 | Maulkin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit#Usage |
| 13:21.46 | \amethyst | g+s is sgid |
| 13:21.51 | itguru | Having an issue with sharing, my username and password seems to not work for some reason - i can see my machine, if i try to browse the shares, it asks for a password, i enter my details, and i get an error |
| 13:21.53 | Maulkin | gah |
| 13:21.55 | phliver | Maulkin: thats exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 13:21.59 | sixtymhz | awk: apt-spy? |
| 13:22.05 | awk | Segmentation fault |
| 13:22.07 | Maulkin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid#setuid_on_directories |
| 13:22.11 | Maulkin | phliver: ^^ |
| 13:22.13 | awk | heh, apt-spy seg faulted |
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| 13:22.19 | awk | I should trace it quickly |
| 13:22.20 | awk | 1 sec |
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| 13:24.49 | liable | someone was saying it did that the other day too |
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| 13:25.05 | hark | it's pretty buggy for some. check the bts :) iirc, it's not maintained anymore as well |
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| 13:25.26 | hark | there's netselect-apt for an alternative... |
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| 13:25.38 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 13:26.04 | enouf | maybe try netselect-apt - Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect |
| 13:26.17 | yos87 | I have question , where can I read all about the file systems, fat ntfs and ext and all other |
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| 13:26.21 | liable | !lose enouf |
| 13:26.21 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 13:26.21 | enouf | !win hark |
| 13:26.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 13:26.34 | hark | not again ;) |
| 13:26.39 | enouf | hehe |
| 13:26.46 | Maulkin | yos87: Google... |
| 13:26.52 | Maulkin | yos87: wikipedia |
| 13:27.04 | yos87 | Maulkin: i'm trying , But I need the keywrod |
| 13:27.39 | Maulkin | yos87: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system |
| 13:27.45 | hark | yos87: use your googlefu |
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| 13:28.49 | Maulkin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
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| 13:29.46 | yos87 | Maulkin: Oh, Thank you ! |
| 13:30.02 | yos87 | Hark: what is the googlefu? |
| 13:30.31 | hark | yos87: ah heh, just ignore it :) |
| 13:31.09 | yos87 | hark: it seems something real http://www.mschien.com/googlefu.htm |
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| 13:31.25 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 13:31.50 | klim_ | hi, can install/use linux ia64 or amd64 on a emt64 processor? |
| 13:31.51 | sixtymhz | yos87: Then fact you googled, googlefu, and not you question amazes me more ways than one. |
| 13:31.53 | yos87 | hi |
| 13:32.16 | klim_ | hi, can i install... |
| 13:32.22 | enouf | klim_: amd64 or i386 |
| 13:32.24 | hark | klim_: amd64 not ia64 |
| 13:32.37 | klim_ | thanks |
| 13:32.44 | Maulkin | amd64 |
| 13:32.58 | Maulkin | (IIRC) |
| 13:32.59 | stew | they should just rename the ia64 isos to itanium to avoid the confusion |
| 13:33.02 | hark | yos87: heh, nice link :) |
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| 13:33.34 | yos87 | hark: thank you |
| 13:33.57 | Maulkin | !googlefu |
| 13:34.01 | J_P | dpkg debian-arm ? |
| 13:34.05 | Maulkin | !googlefu is http://www.mschien.com/googlefu.htm |
| 13:34.05 | dpkg | okay, Maulkin |
| 13:34.16 | J_P | how I get from dpkg for private message ? |
| 13:34.23 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.29 | J_P | Maulkin: thanks |
| 13:34.32 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.00 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:44.00 | dpkg | somebody said qotd144 was < LightVision> madradrone: if I log in at login screen as normal user, I wouldnt be IRC as root would i? |
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| 13:45.41 | Ahmadinejad | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 13:45.41 | Ahmadinejad | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.41 | Ahmadinejad | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:45.51 | Ahmadinejad | i am trying to install mono-xsp2 |
| 13:46.33 | rdz | "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." oooh no.... i really though it has... ;-) |
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| 13:46.47 | triplc | how to have "shadow of windows" on desktop like mac? i am using xfce and see quite a lot screen shot having shadows like Mac, but i do not know how to make it. Searching on Internet, i see that people's talking about having compiz/composite, which required special video card. i think it's too much, where i need only shadow. Can i have shadow without buy another video card |
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| 13:47.31 | amphi | triplc: you have to suffer for eyecandy - what card do you have? |
| 13:48.07 | horden | how to list the services running on my system and how to disable a service? |
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| 13:48.57 | triplc | amphi: I am using a NEC laptop, and looking in xorg.conf, i see that the card driver is SIS -- a sort of using share memory with the main memory |
| 13:49.08 | smcavoy_ | is it possible to upgrade a i386 etch to amd64 etch? |
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| 13:49.14 | triplc | amphi: NEC versa E400 |
| 13:49.24 | Solarion | what is the exact synatx of the version information for apt-get install package=version? |
| 13:49.30 | Solarion | apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy=4.66 |
| 13:49.32 | Solarion | does not work |
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| 13:49.43 | horden | heh? |
| 13:49.52 | Solarion | (nor does 4.66-3, which is the string for exim4-daemon-heavy_4.66-3_i386.deb |
| 13:50.24 | liable | horden: netstat -plunt |
| 13:50.27 | liable | !services |
| 13:50.27 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 13:50.30 | horden | thks |
| 13:50.44 | stew | Solarion: does 4.66-3 show up as an available version in "apt-cache policy exim4-daemon-heavy"? |
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| 13:51.21 | Solarion | stew: no. What is that list based off of? |
| 13:51.54 | Solarion | guess I get to install the dpkg manually. Whee. |
| 13:52.00 | stew | Solarion: no, you don't want that |
| 13:52.09 | Solarion | I want a working sa-exim |
| 13:52.15 | Solarion | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/247848 |
| 13:52.32 | stew | Solarion: it appears 4.66-3 has not yet been packaged for debian. |
| 13:52.40 | Solarion | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/exim4/ |
| 13:52.42 | Solarion | it's right there |
| 13:52.42 | sylvanthis | hello, i created a deb using dh_make, and i edited the control file, but the deb installs the program in /, while the Makefile of the program had: DESTDIR = /usr/local/bin, what do i need to edit before creating the deb with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot ? |
| 13:53.10 | stew | Solarion: in any case, if you are running stable, you don't want to install packages not compiled for stable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:53.14 | Solarion | in fact, it's probably what I was running until yesterday |
| 13:53.24 | Solarion | stew: I'm not running stable. Thats' the problem. |
| 13:53.25 | stew | Solarion: you'd want to download the sources, then build it against your system |
| 13:53.32 | stew | Solarion: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:53.37 | horden | liable: is the service'finger' started during boot? |
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| 13:54.21 | stew | sylvanthis: set DESTDIR in debian/rules |
| 13:54.31 | liable | horden: why have you got finger installed? |
| 13:54.42 | Ahmadinejad | , |
| 13:54.48 | Solarion | stew: sid |
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| 13:55.08 | sylvanthis | stew ahh thnx a lot |
| 13:55.10 | Solarion | hence the problem |
| 13:55.23 | horden | liable: i am not sure if i have it installed. since it it in 'man', is it installed? |
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| 13:55.48 | liable | horden: finger or fingerd ? |
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| 13:56.10 | Ahmadinejad | please help me:) |
| 13:56.25 | Ahmadinejad | please help me |
| 13:56.44 | horden | liable: just checked with dpkg -l, finger is installed, not fingerd. |
| 13:56.52 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 13:56.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:56.53 | liable | horden: thats fine |
| 13:57.12 | GmLB | Is there a linux convention for the mount-point of an NFS-mounted home? On SunOS we'd use something like /export/home... but linux doesn't really use /export? |
| 13:57.25 | horden | liable: no problem? no one will remote finger me? :D |
| 13:57.40 | Ahmadinejad | Maulkin: I have asked |
| 13:57.42 | Ahmadinejad | !read |
| 13:57.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 13:57.45 | horden | Ahmadinejad: ask Bush. |
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| 13:57.52 | Ahmadinejad | !ask bush |
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| 13:58.06 | Maulkin | Ahmadinejad: You haven't asked anything |
| 13:58.07 | nakeee | how do I install iceweasel extension globally? |
| 13:58.37 | Ahmadinejad | (15:45:59) Ahmadinejad: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 13:58.37 | Ahmadinejad | (15:45:59) Ahmadinejad: /var/cache/apt/archives/mono-xsp2_1.2.1-1_all.deb |
| 13:58.37 | Ahmadinejad | (15:45:59) Ahmadinejad: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 13:58.37 | Ahmadinejad | (15:46:09) Ahmadinejad: i am trying to install mono-xsp2 |
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| 13:58.49 | sylvanthis | :) |
| 13:58.51 | Maulkin | :) |
| 13:59.00 | sylvanthis | Maulkin |
| 13:59.04 | Maulkin | And that doesn't look like a question. |
| 13:59.04 | sylvanthis | is that from the book |
| 13:59.06 | sylvanthis | what what is |
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| 13:59.12 | sylvanthis | liveship traders?? |
| 13:59.17 | Maulkin | sylvanthis: yup :) |
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| 13:59.31 | sylvanthis | Maulkin those books are freakin' great! :D |
| 13:59.45 | sylvanthis | Maulkin, the whole serie that is |
| 13:59.55 | Maulkin | sylvanthis: Have you read all the others in the series too? (there were three series in total) |
| 14:00.13 | Solarion | stew: installing that (plus exim4-base at the same version) fixed the problem |
| 14:00.13 | sylvanthis | Maulkin, yup read em all |
| 14:00.20 | Maulkin | sylvanthis: Liveship traders is actually teh second series |
| 14:00.24 | Solarion | stew: in case anyone else running sid comes in here asking |
| 14:00.39 | Maulkin | But anyway, back on topic :) |
| 14:00.40 | sylvanthis | Maulkin, a lot better than Raymod E feist or Weis & Hickman |
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| 14:00.57 | Ahmadinejad | . |
| 14:01.00 | Ahmadinejad | i have asked |
| 14:01.03 | sanelson | I'm trying to get my capslock to act as ctrl; I typically do setxkbmap -option ctrl:swapcaps ; setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps |
| 14:01.08 | sylvanthis | Maulkin, yes i know, i read all nine books and i ll return to topic |
| 14:01.14 | sanelson | but I am getting: Error loading new keyboard description |
| 14:03.01 | stew | Ahmadinejad: please get us the information in "/msg dpkg bat" |
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| 14:04.04 | Ahmadinejad | http://pastebin.ca/457580 |
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| 14:05.19 | stew | Ahmadinejad: so the problem is that your removed the /etc/init.d/mono-xsp2 script ; /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:06.27 | TolstoyInlove | i dont have floppy.how can i tel installer to dont detect floppy? |
| 14:06.51 | Nyle | good mirning |
| 14:06.57 | Nyle | morning |
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| 14:07.15 | Ahmadinejad | Such: Laptop:/home/ali# --reinstall install mono-xsp2 |
| 14:07.16 | Nyle | what is the name of that one software client/server which lets you control 2 or more computers with one keyboard or mouse... |
| 14:07.17 | Ahmadinejad | ? |
| 14:07.33 | Nyle | you know the one where you drag your mouse off the screen edge and it goes to the other pc/monitor |
| 14:07.38 | Nyle | I forgot what it was called |
| 14:07.54 | \amethyst | Nyle: x2x? |
| 14:07.57 | Nyle | no |
| 14:08.02 | Nyle | it started with an S |
| 14:08.05 | Nyle | i know that much |
| 14:08.15 | Nyle | i used to have it, but now i forgot its name |
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| 14:08.34 | stew | Ahmadinejad: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 14:08.42 | Nyle | hiya stew |
| 14:08.46 | Ahmadinejad | Done that one time |
| 14:08.52 | stew | Ahmadinejad: you are going to have to tell it to explicitly replace missing conf files |
| 14:08.54 | Ahmadinejad | ah |
| 14:08.55 | Ahmadinejad | no |
| 14:09.05 | stew | Nyle: aloha |
| 14:09.05 | Ahmadinejad | 2 sec |
| 14:09.30 | Ahmadinejad | I should reinstall debian |
| 14:09.31 | Nyle | man this is argh.. phooey. If anyone knows the software I'm talking about please let me know :) |
| 14:10.01 | stew | Nyle: it really sounds like x2x or x2vnc |
| 14:10.24 | Nyle | http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=control+2+pcs+with+one+keyboard+mouse&spell=1 |
| 14:10.26 | themill | Nyle: synergy |
| 14:10.29 | Nyle | THATS IT! |
| 14:10.34 | themill | Nyle: synergy2.sf.net |
| 14:10.35 | Nyle | friggin right doggy |
| 14:10.37 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 14:11.07 | themill | Nyle: np. Even works across VPN connections etc |
| 14:11.19 | Nyle | yeh, i got 4 boxes to control :) |
| 14:11.27 | themill | Nyle: there are debian packages for it |
| 14:11.33 | Nyle | nice |
| 14:11.36 | Nyle | !info synergy etch |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | synergy: (Share mouse, keyboard and clipboard over the network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 610 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB |
| 14:11.56 | Nyle | thanks you themill |
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| 14:13.02 | Nyle | last year I had to build it myself.. how does one find out "when" a package was accepted into debian? |
| 14:13.11 | Nyle | the particular date... |
| 14:13.24 | stew | Nyle: packages.qa.debian.org/srcpkgname |
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| 14:13.52 | stab | I don't have to change my sources.list lines if they are unstable right? synaptic seems to have broken dependencies |
| 14:14.17 | Nyle | stew: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/synrgy.html ? |
| 14:14.21 | Nyle | no existy |
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| 14:14.28 | Nyle | oh cap |
| 14:14.33 | Nyle | my keyboard is dyin nm |
| 14:15.04 | themill | install synergy and use another one :) |
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| 14:15.22 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:15.27 | Maulkin | synergy++ |
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| 14:15.43 | Nyle | nah, the wireless keyboard it is.. so the transmitter was kicked under the bed |
| 14:15.54 | Nyle | now its on back on top of the monitorial.. works good |
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| 14:16.58 | stew | the maintainers name is "Beermann"! |
| 14:17.00 | Nyle | did i just talk like yoda? haha. :/ |
| 14:17.11 | Nyle | omg thats awesome |
| 14:17.14 | Nyle | Cord Beermann |
| 14:17.22 | nacer | hi |
| 14:17.24 | nacer | i have some probleme on netboot installation in etch |
| 14:17.25 | Nyle | hello |
| 14:17.28 | Andy_CARP | hi all, what should be the sintax for TAR to list the contents of all mail.log.*.gz? |
| 14:17.30 | Nyle | nacer: what problem |
| 14:17.33 | nacer | on the spep download package he freeze on 93 of 93 downloaded |
| 14:17.49 | \amethyst | Andy_CARP: Are they tar files? |
| 14:17.56 | nacer | progress bar freeze on 18% |
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| 14:18.10 | jelly | how to change the X cursor theme? |
| 14:18.11 | Andy_CARP | yes |
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| 14:18.13 | nacer | how can i debug this stuff Nyle ? |
| 14:18.13 | Nyle | nacer: hmm. looking in tty4 what it tell you |
| 14:18.18 | \amethyst | Andy_CARP: for x in mail.log.*.tar.gz; do tar tzf "$x"; done |
| 14:18.21 | stew | Andy_CARP: they aren't tarred. you can run "zless /var/log/mail.log*" to run them through less ; :n and :p will go to next/previous file |
| 14:18.22 | nacer | mmmm |
| 14:18.31 | nacer | i think its about dhcp renew on tty4 |
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| 14:19.13 | Nyle | nacer: it shouldn't do dhcp renew in the middle of package downloads, the net is already configured, unless a wire kicked kicked or if a router was restarted somehow, lost power maybe |
| 14:19.20 | nacer | but the last debian installer message its he get the 93 packges |
| 14:19.38 | nacer | Nyle, igo increse dhcp timer |
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| 14:20.05 | Nyle | nacer: if you want to.. what is it right now? it should really already be more than 5 minutes :) |
| 14:20.17 | Nyle | nacer: what else tty4 tells you? |
| 14:20.25 | Andy_CARP | stew thanks, but I want to see the saved logs and they are tar.gz files |
| 14:20.37 | nacer | Nyle, no error |
| 14:20.51 | nacer | i have the message he get the last package and afeter i have a dhcp renew |
| 14:20.57 | Nyle | nacer: this is on the base system install step? |
| 14:21.00 | nacer | yep |
| 14:21.02 | Nyle | nacer: or on tasksel ? |
| 14:21.05 | nacer | base |
| 14:21.09 | Nyle | nacer: ok, try to use a different mirror maybe? |
| 14:21.15 | nacer | already trie |
| 14:21.19 | nacer | a restart the intsall now |
| 14:21.34 | stew | Andy_CARP: like /var/log/mail.log.3.gz for instance? or did someone take those and tar them or something? |
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| 14:21.48 | Nyle | nacer: im out of troubleshooting ideas |
| 14:21.53 | nacer | yeah me t oo |
| 14:22.07 | nacer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.24 | Andy_CARP | stew yes that kind of files |
| 14:22.36 | stew | Andy_CARP: they aren't tarred. you can run "zless /var/log/mail.log*gz" to run them through less ; :n and :p will go to next/previous file |
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| 14:22.58 | Andy_CARP | stew: ok |
| 14:23.34 | stew | Andy_CARP: they are only gzip compressed, not tarred. zless will uncompress them and send the output to less |
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| 14:24.05 | mosty | how can i tell dhclient not to touch /etc/resolv.conf in etch? in sarge you could edit /etc/dhclient-script but it's moved to /sbin in etch and i'm afraid my change will be lost at the next package upgrade |
| 14:24.48 | Nyle | my menu from the menu package is all screwed up looking. I don't even have wine, but it shows wine > mozilla firefox .. wth? update-menus doesn't fix it. |
| 14:24.54 | Andy_CARP | stew: right, thanks, if I need to list with no pauses, I need to use gunzip, isn´t it? |
| 14:24.55 | Nyle | any idea whats going on |
| 14:25.08 | stew | Andy_CARP: what do you mean by "with no pauses"? |
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| 14:25.34 | infocom47 | Hi, I am trying 'apt-get install pine' and lenny is not finding it? |
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| 14:25.46 | Nyle | !info pine testing |
| 14:25.46 | Maulkin | !non-free |
| 14:25.47 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 14:25.49 | valdyn | infocom47: pine cant be distributed by debian |
| 14:25.51 | h3sp4wn | infocom47: use alpine or build the source |
| 14:25.51 | stew | mosty: edit the script, save your copy to /usr/local/sbin and point /etc/dhclient.conf to your script instead of /sbin/dhclient.conf |
| 14:25.53 | Nyle | ahh |
| 14:25.59 | Nyle | nonfree it is? |
| 14:26.01 | Maulkin | ahh, ok |
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| 14:26.14 | Maulkin | Or possibly not distributable at all |
| 14:26.14 | Nyle | I did not know this.. we used to use pine back in like 7th/8th grade hehe |
| 14:26.17 | infocom47 | thanks everyone that explains it |
| 14:26.19 | valdyn | Nyle: not nonfree but not distributable by debian in binary form |
| 14:26.24 | Andy_CARP | stew: with no need to key to go to next page, so I need to find a text inside all mail logs.. |
| 14:26.26 | Jense | maybe someone can help me, I have the following error when I want to compile a python software called rdiff-backup: |
| 14:26.34 | Jense | error: Python.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:26.43 | stew | Andy_CARP: you can use zgrep or zcat instead of zless then |
| 14:26.44 | Jense | I am on debian etch |
| 14:26.49 | nacer | Nyle, i have miss lead you its not the first download for base |
| 14:26.50 | mosty | stew, thanks |
| 14:26.59 | nacer | Nyle, but the next after you choose your type of system |
| 14:27.01 | jelly | Jense: why don't you use the packaged version |
| 14:27.02 | valdyn | !installit |
| 14:27.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 14:27.04 | Andy_CARP | stew: thank you very much by your patience :) |
| 14:27.05 | valdyn | Jense: ^^^ |
| 14:27.12 | stew | Andy_CARP: you're welcome |
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| 14:27.18 | Nyle | nacer: you mean where you select stuff like "desktop environment" etc.? |
| 14:27.24 | nacer | yeah |
| 14:27.33 | nacer | i only have select the default system |
| 14:27.33 | Nyle | nacer: just skip that step |
| 14:27.35 | jelly | !info rdiff-backup stable |
| 14:27.35 | nacer | no desktop stuff |
| 14:27.37 | Nyle | nacer: don't use tasksel |
| 14:27.45 | dpkg | rdiff-backup: (remote incremental backup), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-4 (etch), Packaged size: 169 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 14:27.47 | Nyle | nacer: select NOTHING in that screen and move on |
| 14:27.52 | nacer | okay |
| 14:27.55 | Nyle | nacer: you can install what you want later using apt-get |
| 14:27.58 | Nyle | very easily |
| 14:28.05 | Jense | jelly: apt-get want to install 1.1.5 and I need 1.1.9 so I want to install it manually |
| 14:28.08 | nacer | yeah i know :) |
| 14:28.22 | valdyn | Jense: so install the package containing Python.h |
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| 14:28.39 | fireba11 | Jense: you're missing some libs needed to compile it .. also, have you looked for a backport ? |
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| 14:28.54 | vchrizz | hi |
| 14:29.00 | Nyle | hello |
| 14:29.06 | stew | Jense: 1.1.9 is in unstable: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:29.21 | fireba11 | stew i just have a file with the package list I need to install and c&p in into the shell :-D |
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| 14:29.22 | Nyle | my menu from the menu package is all screwed up looking. I don't even have wine, but it shows wine > mozilla firefox .. wth? update-menus doesn't fix it. What is going on, any ideas? |
| 14:29.29 | Nyle | "debian menu" |
| 14:29.32 | valdyn | Jense: or apt-get build-dep rdiff-backup |
| 14:29.37 | vchrizz | ive got a raid6 array with 4x160gb; if i want to add another drive(s) to the array, do they have to be the same size or is it possible to add greater sized disks? |
| 14:29.53 | sixtymhz | Nyle: used alacarte? |
| 14:29.54 | Jense | many hints - thank you very much |
| 14:29.55 | valdyn | vchrizz: that's possible |
| 14:30.05 | Nyle | sixtymhz: i don't even know what alacarte is |
| 14:30.10 | jelly | vchrizz: even if it's greater size, only 160GB will be used for the array |
| 14:30.11 | Jense | I have to learn how to install one unstable package on a stable system :/ |
| 14:30.12 | valdyn | vchrizz: you don't need to add a disk, you need to add a block device. That can be a partition too |
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| 14:30.27 | sixtymhz | Nyle: menu editor for gnome and all. |
| 14:30.29 | Nyle | !tell Jense -about simple sid backport |
| 14:30.56 | sixtymhz | Nyle: try running alacarte from terminal or apt-get it |
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| 14:30.59 | Nyle | sixtymhz: no I'm talking about the debian menu provided by the debian package. I want to fix it, which I can by manually editing the files, but I want to know why its messing up |
| 14:31.10 | valdyn | vchrizz: hopefully no one will be stupid enough to add several partitions on the same disk to the same raid, but its possible |
| 14:31.11 | sixtymhz | ohohoh |
| 14:31.14 | Nyle | s/debian package menu* |
| 14:31.14 | sixtymhz | Nyle: sorry. |
| 14:31.15 | sixtymhz | >_< |
| 14:31.16 | Nyle | 'menu' |
| 14:31.19 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:31.33 | vchrizz | valdyn, sure i would add a partition, not a disk dev ;) |
| 14:31.38 | fireba11 | valdyn: hm . .thinking about that ..so theoretically i coulsd set up raid 5 with only one physical disk right ? that would make no sense though .-) |
| 14:31.49 | valdyn | fireba11: yea |
| 14:31.52 | jelly | fireba11: no |
| 14:32.02 | Nyle | hey ya'll make up your mind |
| 14:32.05 | Nyle | yes or no? |
| 14:32.06 | jelly | fireba11: need at least 2 devices for raid5 |
| 14:32.07 | Nyle | :D |
| 14:32.17 | nacer | jelly, 3 it seem |
| 14:32.22 | Jense | Nyle: thank you |
| 14:32.23 | dererk[work] | Shadow, by default, uses SHA1, right? |
| 14:32.25 | vchrizz | jelly, so it would be wiser to create the same sized partition and add this to the array? so its not possible to add bigger partitions? |
| 14:32.26 | valdyn | Nyle: block devices, not disks |
| 14:32.32 | stew | dererk[work]: md5 |
| 14:32.34 | valdyn | Jense: block devices, not disks |
| 14:32.34 | fireba11 | jelly : 3 .. but i can have 3 partitions on the same disk .. that would be mighty stupid but possible :-) |
| 14:32.34 | Nyle | why tell me? |
| 14:32.38 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 14:32.45 | valdyn | Nyle: sorry |
| 14:32.48 | dererk[work] | stew, hi! :) thanks |
| 14:32.50 | Nyle | np bro |
| 14:33.34 | jelly | vchrizz: it's not possible, you want to read about how raid5 (and 6 by extension) work to understand why this is so |
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| 14:33.50 | Nyle | i go foncigure synergy |
| 14:33.54 | Nyle | configure |
| 14:34.19 | jelly | fireba11: apart from abysmal performance, it would protect from bad sectors |
| 14:34.20 | nacer | Nyle, with empty taskel profile like base system ,he intsall 16 package but same freeze |
| 14:34.30 | nacer | progress bar still freeze to 18% |
| 14:34.44 | Nyle | nacer: you're using which installer? |
| 14:34.47 | Nyle | nacer: etch stable? netboot |
| 14:34.49 | nacer | netboot |
| 14:34.51 | nacer | stech |
| 14:34.54 | nacer | etch |
| 14:35.03 | Nyle | im out of ideas man dunno what to tell you |
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| 14:35.13 | nacer | Nyle, ok np |
| 14:35.17 | Nyle | check tt4 for someting.. select the task, and quickly switch to tt4 and watch |
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| 14:35.21 | valdyn | nacer: using which kernel? |
| 14:35.23 | Nyle | tty* |
| 14:35.30 | nacer | valdyn, dont know default it seem |
| 14:35.38 | valdyn | nacer: try the other |
| 14:35.43 | nacer | ok |
| 14:36.04 | Nyle | valdyn: doesn't the kernel option .. nevermind I forgot the steps |
| 14:36.16 | Nyle | kenel step comes before the tasksel eh/ |
| 14:36.21 | Nyle | damn my keyboard |
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| 14:36.28 | valdyn | nacer: might aswell be a network issue, for all i know, unrelated to debian. |
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| 14:36.43 | valdyn | Nyle: kernel selection is at the first boot prompt |
| 14:36.46 | Nyle | valdyn: he said something bout dhcp renew in the middle of downloading packages, in tty4 |
| 14:36.50 | nacer | valdyn, there is other kernel on netboot ? |
| 14:36.55 | Nyle | valdyn: what? |
| 14:36.58 | valdyn | nacer: on etch, yes |
| 14:37.12 | themill | nacer: is there anything in /var/log yet? The installer is quite chatty to help you in the logs. |
| 14:37.17 | nacer | Nyle, i have increase the dhcp timer no more message of dhcp |
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| 14:37.19 | Nyle | valdyn: I just installed 4 etch boxes yesterday... the option to chose which kernel to install comes after the base system |
| 14:37.22 | pdbogen | Do I want linux-image-2.6-xen-686 or linux-image-2.6-xen-vserver-686 for running on a guest? |
| 14:37.54 | nacer | Nyle, the console installer ? |
| 14:37.54 | petemc | pdbogen: just use the same kernel as you used for the dom0 |
| 14:38.05 | Nyle | nacer: yes, i use text installer always |
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| 14:38.08 | valdyn | Nyle: that's something else, the installer itself can be run on 2.4.27 or 2.6.8. That's selected on the first boot prompt ( or 2.4.27 by default ) |
| 14:38.17 | Nyle | valdyn: oh no, im not talking about that |
| 14:38.23 | Nyle | ok i got ya |
| 14:38.27 | spheard | hey, how do I find out my kernel version? |
| 14:38.27 | pdbogen | petemc: It's a hosted VPS, so I don't know anything about the configuration of the hypervisor. Does it need to be the same, or are you saying just use a normal 2.6 kernel package? |
| 14:38.41 | nacer | valdyn, i dont ssee other kernel on netboot install |
| 14:38.42 | themill | spheard: uname -a |
| 14:38.43 | Nyle | valdyn: i didn't know etch came with a 2.4 kernel by default |
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| 14:38.58 | Nyle | valdyn: I thought it was 2.6 only |
| 14:39.02 | valdyn | nacer: you can see its telling you to hit F1 for more info / options |
| 14:39.17 | nacer | ok i go check |
| 14:39.21 | Nyle | nacer: should like `linux26` or `expert26` boot option |
| 14:39.22 | valdyn | Nyle: hmm, you're right, im still thinking sarge |
| 14:39.24 | Maulkin | erm... etch uses 2.6.18-4 |
| 14:39.34 | valdyn | nacer: see above, nm me |
| 14:39.44 | petemc | pdbogen: no, i dont believe they need to be the same, its just what i do and its convenient |
| 14:39.48 | minus | Can someone explain to me how i use the xfractint program.. |
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| 14:40.00 | Nyle | but if it is etch, it shouldn't be linux26 etc.. since 2.6 is the only kernel |
| 14:40.00 | minus | It doesn't print anything in the windows.. |
| 14:40.01 | minus | :/ |
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| 14:40.07 | Nyle | anyway i go configure synergy |
| 14:40.25 | nacer | ok by default i am on 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 14:40.33 | nacer | no other kernel in netboot install it seemn |
| 14:40.42 | nacer | only expert and resucue boot |
| 14:41.20 | minus | nvm-- |
| 14:41.22 | minus | ..* |
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| 14:41.29 | Nyle | i don't think its a kernel issue.. you said you got past the base system and kernel install.. then you get stuck in tasksel (where you select stuff like desktop env. or webserver) etc... skip that and select nothing in it |
| 14:41.44 | Nyle | it shouldn't try to download anything then finish your installation and use apt-get to get stuff |
| 14:41.47 | Nyle | or aptitude whatever |
| 14:41.54 | nacer | i will try to skip |
| 14:41.56 | nacer | i restart |
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| 14:44.32 | spheard | hey, I have to patch my kernel |
| 14:44.47 | spheard | has anyone used patch before? |
| 14:44.52 | pdbogen | Yes. |
| 14:44.56 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 14:44.56 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 14:45.03 | pdbogen | !survey |
| 14:45.03 | dpkg | hmm... survey is Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask. |
| 14:45.11 | spheard | oh, okay |
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| 14:45.17 | spheard | how do I patch my kernel |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | patch why ? |
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| 14:45.31 | valdyn | spheard: why must you patch a kernel? |
| 14:45.36 | spheard | cos I want to run openVZ |
| 14:45.43 | janttsu | is there a way to start "make" with certain priority? |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | man nice ? |
| 14:45.52 | valdyn | janttsu: yes, man nice |
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| 14:46.05 | spheard | and the instructions I followed some three months ago have been obsoleted |
| 14:46.07 | stew | spheard: install kernel-patch-openvz ; read the make-kpkg documentation about --added-patches, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 14:46.24 | pdbogen | spheard : Take the patch, put it in the directory of your kernel source, look at the patch to determine how many directories you need to strip off the front, and run patch -p(number to strip) < (patch goes here) |
| 14:46.33 | pdbogen | Or do what stew said. |
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| 14:47.51 | spheard | okay, stew, I didn't quite catch all that |
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| 14:49.03 | stew | spheard: /msg dpkg kp ; (type that into your irc client). kenrel-package is a debian package for making .debs from kenrels. it has a switch to automatically patch your kenrel. the patch you want is in the kernel-patch-openvz package |
| 14:49.32 | spheard | okay, that made sense |
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| 14:50.49 | nacer | Nyle, cant escape the tasksel stuff |
| 14:51.00 | nacer | perhaps export mode |
| 14:51.04 | nacer | expert |
| 14:51.27 | spheard | my god thats complex |
| 14:51.35 | stew | nacer: you can just select nothing in tasksel |
| 14:51.54 | stew | spheard: ask specific questions if there is some piece you don't understand |
| 14:51.56 | spheard | ubuntu - african for "I cant configure debian" |
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| 14:51.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how can I enable just for a moment the writing feature on ntfs filesystems? |
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| 14:52.11 | stew | spheard: that's neither true nor on-topic for this channel |
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| 14:52.11 | Nyle | spheard: funny. but not needed here |
| 14:52.15 | xerophyte | how can i search files with find .. base on created date? |
| 14:52.24 | nacer | steve, if i select nothink he install 16 package and still crash |
| 14:52.26 | spheard | :-) sorry |
| 14:52.31 | stew | xerophyte: info find ; go to finding files ->by date |
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| 14:52.47 | xerophyte | tgx |
| 14:52.57 | Nyle | gonzaloaf_laptop: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 14:53.08 | Nyle | gonzaloaf_laptop: or just /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 14:53.09 | stew | nacer: which packages? what are you tying to do |
| 14:53.20 | nacer | steve, installaling etch on netboot |
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| 14:53.26 | steve | nacer: ? |
| 14:53.38 | nacer | stew, i think the export mode will resolv my problem |
| 14:53.39 | Nyle | he meant stew obviously :) |
| 14:53.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Nyle, sure that I cant disable it in the future? |
| 14:53.51 | stew | nacer: does it give an error when it crashes? |
| 14:53.58 | Nyle | gonzaloaf_laptop: you sure can. just umount and remount with ro on |
| 14:54.00 | Nyle | only* |
| 14:54.13 | nacer | stew, nop |
| 14:54.16 | nacer | nothink |
| 14:54.21 | stew | nacer: can you give an example of a package it installed? have you checked the md5 of your boot cd? |
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| 14:54.37 | nacer | netboot install he download all the package from debian mirror |
| 14:55.13 | NachE | hi, any know how to extrat files from archive.cpio to selected directory? |
| 14:55.31 | stew | NachE: cpio -i |
| 14:56.03 | spheard | okay, where do I find the kernel source? |
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| 14:56.20 | spheard | src/ ? |
| 14:56.34 | stew | spheard: linux-source-$version will install a .tar.bz2 to /usr/src |
| 14:56.34 | NachE | stew, this extract to root dirctory, but i need estract to /foo/ |
| 14:56.44 | stew | NachE: cd /foo ; cpio -i |
| 14:56.57 | NachE | ok, thx |
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| 14:57.41 | asdaa | hi! could someone please enlighten me: how can you distinguish between a page fault generated by an attempt to write in the .text section of a program from for example trying to write in a copy-on-write page (as in the case of fork) |
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| 15:00.31 | Nyle | question: i listed the files in the package synergy. it has an example synergy.conf in /usr/share/doc etc. Where should i create the synergy.conf? in /etc/synergy.conf? |
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| 15:01.28 | Nyle | file:///usr/share/doc/synergy/doc/configuration.html <-- i read this but it doesn' specify |
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| 15:02.24 | stew | Nyle: README.Debian? man synergy.conf? |
| 15:02.26 | nite613 | Is there a pine option to get it to use only *1* IMAP connection? It keeps one open and seems to use it when I delete, but if I save something to another folder I see three connections |
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| 15:02.49 | Nyle | stew: neither tell me anything |
| 15:02.59 | Nyle | stew: no manpages for synergy or synergy.conf |
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| 15:03.22 | CarLuva | Nyle: if I remember correctly, synergys will tell you the places it looks for the file when you run it |
| 15:03.35 | Nyle | CarLuva: ok I will run synergys and see |
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| 15:04.10 | CarLuva | Nyle: It's been a while since I used synergy, though... |
| 15:04.21 | Nyle | CarLuva: ok well you apparantly can't start it through /etc/init.d so I suppose i'll have to create a synergy.conf in ~/ and specify it like old times.. synergys -f conffile |
| 15:04.25 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a way to disable reverse dns lookup when somebody logs into a server? |
| 15:04.31 | Azar | Nyle: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/running.html ? |
| 15:04.35 | Nyle | CarLuva: i figured the debian package would make it easy |
| 15:04.38 | NachE | if i type cpio -i archive.cpio this extract nothing. but if i type cat archive.cpio | cpio -i this extrat to root directory ... i dont understand this |
| 15:05.00 | stew | NachE: use either cpio -i < archive.cpio ; or cpio -I archive.cpio |
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| 15:05.24 | stew | NachE: (cpio --help) |
| 15:05.55 | jelly | !ops please increase number-of-users' limit |
| 15:05.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: please increase number-of-users' limit |
| 15:05.56 | CarLuva | Nyle: you have to run synergys -f |
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| 15:06.05 | RichiH | heh |
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| 15:06.13 | jelly | that was quick |
| 15:06.18 | RichiH | jelly: that was automated |
| 15:06.25 | CarLuva | Nyle: the first place it looks automatically is ~/.synergy.conf |
| 15:06.36 | Azar | Nyle: or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6393 |
| 15:06.43 | NachE | stew, --help dont help xD. < archive.cpio extrat to /root and -I is invalid option :/ |
| 15:06.49 | Nyle | CarLuva: yeh, like old times |
| 15:06.52 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove and purge all packages except apt and openssh-server on a system? |
| 15:07.00 | jelly | RichiH: it didn't let me in for a minute or so, I thought debhelper was adead |
| 15:07.03 | Nyle | CarLuva: I just figured the deb packagew ould make it easy but.. |
| 15:07.23 | CarLuva | Nyle: you don't have to specify it, though |
| 15:07.30 | Nyle | CarLuva: yeh word |
| 15:07.44 | Nyle | Azar: CarLuva thanks |
| 15:08.10 | stew | Nyle: sorry, cpio -i -I filename |
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| 15:08.20 | stew | NachE: ^^ |
| 15:08.50 | Maulkin | jelly: That's done automatically by debhelper |
| 15:09.00 | jelly | Maulkin: I know |
| 15:09.05 | NachE | stew, :/ not implemented or invalid option -I |
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| 15:09.28 | NachE | stew, filename is a initrd |
| 15:09.41 | stew | NachE: are you running debian? |
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| 15:09.56 | NachE | stew, yes :/ |
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| 15:10.05 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 15:10.13 | stew | NachE: what version of cpio is installed? |
| 15:10.48 | Azar | Nyle: I usually find documentation on /usr/share/doc if there is nowhere else to be found or man |
| 15:10.53 | stickybit` | .php files not opening in firefox |
| 15:11.21 | abrotman | stickybit`: is the php modulel oaded for apache ? |
| 15:11.23 | NachE | stew, uhm, old version, i go to use a updated version, thx |
| 15:11.27 | stew | NachE: what version? |
| 15:11.33 | stew | NachE: it works in sarge and later |
| 15:11.36 | stew | (at least) |
| 15:11.54 | stew | i'd be suprised if it were a new option (where new is in the last 10 years) |
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| 15:13.04 | Azar | good morning honorables!!! :) |
| 15:13.08 | gursikh | Hi! I was wondering if someone could tell me how to output a list that looks just like this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/allpackages.en.txt.gz |
| 15:13.11 | stickybit` | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:13.16 | Nyle | well that was easy enough |
| 15:14.50 | NachE | steve, now have 2.6 cpio version, but -I extract to / |
| 15:14.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hi. I'm concidering buying a laptop, but I've noticed lately that all the laptops I look at have TPMs. Is there a way to remove or disable it, in a way that makes it permanently useless? |
| 15:15.00 | Azar | stew, the Debian page at distrowatch has a really cool layout of all Debian distros with what they support, packages versions..etc |
| 15:15.00 | abrotman | stickybit`: don't forget to clear your browser cache and restart the browser |
| 15:15.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't want any TPMs on my computers.. |
| 15:15.06 | abrotman | how about TPS ? |
| 15:15.14 | stew | Azar: ok |
| 15:15.22 | stickybit` | abrotman: ok |
| 15:15.30 | stew | NachE: cpio always extracts to the pwd afaik |
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| 15:16.15 | hac | I have a problem with fstab....I want that only a user can rw to /dev/hda4 |
| 15:16.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: So would I. |
| 15:16.44 | Azar | hac: create a special group forthat user |
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| 15:16.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: Nouveau is far from usable for games though. :( |
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| 15:16.56 | stew | hac: what filesystem is /dev/hda4? |
| 15:17.06 | hac | <stew> reiserfs |
| 15:17.29 | Azar | ...or use wheel group |
| 15:17.31 | NachE | stew, $ cpio -i -I inird.cpio |
| 15:17.31 | NachE | cpio: /bin: Operación no permitida |
| 15:17.34 | stew | hac: then you limit permissions using chmod / chown like you would any other mounted filesystem |
| 15:17.55 | stew | NachE: what does "pwd" return? |
| 15:18.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? Anyone? :) |
| 15:18.23 | NachE | stew, /home/crab/Desktop/work |
| 15:18.37 | hac | <stew> yeah this was my idea,so can i just set defaults options and change ownership? |
| 15:18.38 | rahul | oh noes. my server is getting fscked |
| 15:18.43 | stew | NachE: use -p |
| 15:18.47 | xoz | !tell Dark_Apostrophe -about ask |
| 15:18.59 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: that would be talking to the manufacturer(s), order a custom one |
| 15:18.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I already asked. |
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| 15:19.09 | stew | hac: yes |
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| 15:19.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Azar: I doubt any manufacturer would build a custom laptop for a single customer |
| 15:19.40 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: there were a real PC comes handy |
| 15:19.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Huh? |
| 15:20.06 | NachE | stew, cpio -p archive.cpio? this extract nothing :S |
| 15:20.06 | Azar | Dark_Apostrophe: you should realize that nowadays, most of them build for Vista.. |
| 15:20.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, unfortunately. |
| 15:20.22 | stew | NachE: cpio --help |
| 15:20.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Too bad I can't build my own laptop. :( |
| 15:20.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | If it were a desktop, I'd build it myself.... Laptops are more tricky though. |
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| 15:21.18 | NachE | stew, xDDD thx |
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| 15:23.52 | Azar | Nyle: hear this: California is America's Cyberia |
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| 15:24.27 | Azar | you should have moved here |
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| 15:29.36 | abrotman | Azar: he's not done moving yet:) |
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| 15:30.43 | parsek | hi, which package should I install to use bash commands like "less" ? |
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| 15:31.11 | Ahmadinejad | What should add to my sources.list |
| 15:31.20 | Ahmadinejad | to add internet as source? |
| 15:32.01 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 15:32.01 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:32.07 | abrotman | Ahmadinejad: man sources.list |
| 15:32.19 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how to set up a language for all my users? I mean the language/locales for their X environment |
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| 15:39.07 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:40.16 | Azar | abrotman: from what I see he is testing life around the nation |
| 15:40.26 | spheard | so how do I get grub to load my new kernel? |
| 15:41.01 | Azar | spheard: it is "said" that grub does stuff by default, user does not need to worry... |
| 15:41.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, but when I boot... my users that where in another language keep their language, some until they chose their language in gdm and the rest just keep the language that had before |
| 15:41.27 | spheard | Azar: ........filling my with confidence there |
| 15:41.40 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! I want a link with iproute2 .deb Who have ? |
| 15:41.54 | Azar | spheard: if I were to start using grub, I would read the howtos and documentation in advance |
| 15:42.09 | Azar | ... and toy with it a bit |
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| 15:42.48 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.49 | Azar | .. or come here and ask people to guide me about grub |
| 15:43.14 | Azar | spheard: for the "unknown" factor and "leave it to the beaver" I still keep using lilo |
| 15:43.21 | spheard | Azar: your all so lovely |
| 15:43.38 | spheard | Azar: grub in the standard debian |
| 15:43.41 | nite613 | Is there a pine option to get it to use only *1* IMAP connection? It keeps one open and seems to use it when I delete, but if I save something to another folder I see three connections |
| 15:43.46 | spheard | is the standard |
| 15:43.49 | Azar | spheard: I use lilo in the standard Debian |
| 15:43.54 | jetscreamer | Azar: i fought using grub for a while, then i finally gave in... grub is cool |
| 15:43.57 | Azar | because I can |
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| 15:44.01 | nite613 | Almost looks like it is downloading and reuploading emails to move them between folders |
| 15:44.10 | spheard | Azar; you can do that?! |
| 15:44.19 | Azar | jetscreamer: I will need to read about it and practice stuff a bit |
| 15:44.26 | spheard | I remember lilo from my first ever linux install |
| 15:44.34 | Azar | spheard: sure, with Debian you can do lots of things :) |
| 15:44.46 | spheard | Azar: if you can configure it |
| 15:44.52 | stew | lilo can still do things grub cant |
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| 15:44.58 | jetscreamer | Azar: for extended/advanced use you would need to, grubshell is cool |
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| 15:45.48 | Azar | jetscreamer: when I will get that Etch installer, I will toy for some time around with new stuff, grub included, installing and reinstalling until I get my driver licence |
| 15:45.55 | themill | Who/how is our dpkg bot maintained here? The last couple of answers I've seen from it have barely been in English and have still been sarge==stable. |
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| 15:46.45 | stew | themill: anyone can edit the factoids. if you find some that need updating, please point them out, and we'll fix them |
| 15:47.11 | jetscreamer | !confuse themill |
| 15:47.11 | dpkg | Yes, where was our weasel today, themill? breeches of the monarchy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 15:47.30 | themill | stew: sure, will do. Would be happy to chip in myself if you point me in the right direction. |
| 15:47.43 | DawnLight | how does syncing with cellphones work? what programs are involved? (experiencing some lag) |
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| 15:48.13 | themill | stew: the last one "mirrors" needs a lot of l10n and etch love |
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| 15:48.31 | stew | !mirrors |
| 15:48.31 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:48.37 | stew | themill: looks correct to me |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | DawnLight: depends on the phone whether or not it even works |
| 15:48.43 | themill | stew: by l10n I mean turning into english |
| 15:48.52 | stickybit` | !php |
| 15:48.52 | dpkg | somebody said php was #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid. Don't forget to read http://www.php-security.org and http://www.hardened-php.net - use php4-suhosin/php5-suhosin, or see [php wants me to download still] |
| 15:48.59 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:49.06 | abrotman | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:49.07 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 15:49.09 | stew | themill: it looks correct to me |
| 15:49.12 | abrotman | that's not right |
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| 15:49.52 | spheard | oh bugger |
| 15:50.00 | spheard | I dont think that worked |
| 15:50.04 | hark | !install php |
| 15:50.04 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 15:50.05 | jetscreamer | apt-spy is/was borked |
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| 15:50.18 | themill | stew: "debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge" needs sarge/etch and also isn't actually a sentence. |
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| 15:50.30 | jetscreamer | and /msg dpkg lets you put a longer factoid than in_channel |
| 15:50.35 | trelane_ | is there anyplace on Debian's license that lists in salesspeak the advantages of debian? |
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| 15:50.59 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 15:50.59 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 15:51.06 | trelane_ | is there anyplace on Debian's website that lists in salesspeak the advantages of debian? (sorry was re-reading the social license) |
| 15:51.11 | stew | themill: that is an unfortunate byproduct of the way factoids are read back, the "debian mirrors is" part is indicating that it is actually reading back a factiod which was redirected to the "debian mirrors" factoid" |
| 15:51.11 | jetscreamer | !overfiendsphallus |
| 15:51.11 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 15:51.33 | spheard | snigger |
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| 15:51.42 | jetscreamer | now there's a much needed factoid |
| 15:51.56 | stew | themill: /msg dpkg literal mirrors ; /msg dpkg literal debian mirrors |
| 15:52.00 | spheard | trelane_:try ubuntu.com |
| 15:52.32 | themill | stew: thanks -- makes a little more sense now. I'm just pleased that I'm a native English speaker, as I'm sure many would be confused by that reponse. |
| 15:52.33 | xand | !why debian |
| 15:52.33 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
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| 15:54.47 | hark | xand: ha ;) |
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| 15:54.52 | sylvanthis | xD |
| 15:55.07 | jetscreamer | holyfrijoles batman |
| 15:55.31 | jetscreamer | here it comes |
| 15:55.31 | stew | i guess i shouldn't have ignored that wallop |
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| 15:55.35 | Azar | jetscreamer: irssi does not show all.. :) |
| 15:55.36 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.36 | DawnLight | how does synchronizing with cellphones work? what are the programs involved? where do i check whether my cellphone is supported? |
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| 15:55.39 | themill | bah... space |
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| 15:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | duuuuuuuudes |
| 15:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | did we have a fscking netsplit?? |
| 15:55.59 | Azar | yes |
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| 15:56.03 | rahul | server went down for a fscking |
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| 15:56.15 | Azar | good morning mister rahul |
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| 15:56.31 | rahul | it's currently screaming for daddy to give it more |
| 15:56.36 | Ahmadinejad | What should add to my sources.list to add internet as source? |
| 15:56.38 | markybob | please. rahul isnt a mister anymore than paris hilton is a lady |
| 15:56.38 | DawnLight | so all the clients connected to that server were cut off? |
| 15:56.43 | rahul | haha |
| 15:56.43 | spheard | what are the 2 files in /boot initrd and vmlinuz? |
| 15:56.50 | rahul | hey, I ain't no paris |
| 15:56.50 | markybob | :) |
| 15:57.07 | rahul | my ass is WAY hotter than hers |
| 15:57.09 | jetscreamer | a good source line |
| 15:57.09 | jetscreamer | there are some examples.... |
| 15:57.14 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list ... be sure to choose the correct ones |
| 15:57.16 | spheard | what are the 2 files in /boot initrd(blah) and vmlinuz(blah)? |
| 15:57.20 | hark | Ahmadinejad: haven't you already asked this question before |
| 15:57.31 | rahul | spheard: vmlinuz is a compressed image of the kernel |
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| 15:57.42 | stickybit` | spheard: initrd is initial ram disk whether vmlinuz is kernel |
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| 15:58.06 | rahul | spheard: initrd is an initial ramdisk to use for the root so that it can load up drivers for disks and other stuff essential for booting |
| 15:58.22 | spheard | thanks chaps |
| 15:58.55 | stickybit` | spheard: since Linux kernel is modular... initrd helps Linux to load different modules |
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| 16:00.36 | Azar | spheard: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
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| 16:02.10 | spheard | I suppose then by fiddling with initrd you can make a really slim install |
| 16:03.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Speaking of init, is init-ng hard to set up? |
| 16:03.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove and purge all packages except apt and openssh-server on a system? |
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| 16:03.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | HardDisk_WP: rm -rf / | grep -v /usr/bin/apt* | grep /usr/bin/sshd* |
| 16:03.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
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| 16:04.14 | HardDisk_WP | Dark_Apostrophe, that will also remove all libraries it depends on |
| 16:04.21 | HardDisk_WP | and that would not be good |
| 16:04.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | It was a joke :) |
| 16:04.31 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 16:04.37 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: what you intend, a cleanup? |
| 16:04.51 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 16:04.55 | HardDisk_WP | but a REAL one |
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| 16:05.21 | HardDisk_WP | as a LOT of config stuff is fscked up, a lot of not needed stuff on it etc.. |
| 16:05.35 | HardDisk_WP | the problem is, the server can only be managed by SSH |
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| 16:05.38 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 16:05.53 | Azar | aptitude will do a cleanup you will see lots of packages to be removed |
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| 16:06.09 | ozymandias | I have a question for all you gurus out there.... Anyone know of any password management programs? I am not talking for a single user, what I want is a program that I can store the passwords for various user accounts on servers taht multiple people have access to and grant access to different users to different passwords... I.E. admins get root, programers get the program account password and not root, etc.... anyone know of one? |
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| 16:06.43 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, i dont think thats the real best way... |
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| 16:07.11 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: then I suggest you reinstall... you can't possibly know which package depends on which |
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| 16:08.13 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, that is also not possible... |
| 16:08.19 | HardDisk_WP | virtual server |
| 16:08.31 | Azar | ozymandias: are you using groups? |
| 16:09.08 | Azar | ozymandias: errr password list.. um dunno |
| 16:09.23 | ozymandias | the end machines are all "client" machines -- we have access to a few accoutns on each box, but not all of them, etc |
| 16:09.44 | Azar | ozymandias: like a master key? |
| 16:10.34 | ozymandias | sort of, idealy based on what group you are placed in in the database, you are allowed access to diferent accounts on machines |
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| 16:11.04 | ozymandias | programming teamA gets these accounts, teamB gets those, admins get all teamA and teamB + root if we have it |
| 16:11.27 | Azar | ozymandias: I am not guru, in fact just a newbie, but I used to use the wheel group for a friend to give him access to all stuff "as if" he were me |
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| 16:13.20 | Azar | .. but there might be other, more elegant ways.. with debian the sky is the limit |
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| 16:15.10 | Azar | ozymandias: http://www.cpanel.net/docs/whm/Add_user_to_wheel_group.htm |
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| 16:16.52 | hac | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.58 | Azar | The guy who wrote the group functionality was both a buddhist and a Journey fan. He was listening to "Wheel in the Sky" while trying to figure out a way to give more people administrative rights without giving too much access. |
| 16:17.21 | enouf | hac: if it cam from /proc/mounts maybe |
| 16:17.46 | hac | <enouf> this is my fstab |
| 16:17.50 | Azar | In a fit of enlightment, he came up with a special group for administrators. Since they were the ones who kept things turning, it only seemed appropriate that "wheel" be immortalized in the /etc/group file. |
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| 16:18.01 | enouf | hac: and?? |
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| 16:18.19 | enouf | hac: the format looks fine |
| 16:18.27 | grendal_prime | ok this is rediculas...has anyone ever had to deal with a bindshell 'd machine? |
| 16:19.05 | stew | hac: the last column says you never want the filesystem to be checked, i don't know if that is what you want |
| 16:19.12 | hac | <enouf> I was wondering if noexec option can give me some problems |
| 16:19.44 | hac | <stew> maybe "0 2" is better? |
| 16:19.54 | enouf | hac: for tmp? .. not unless you plan on running exec from there .. /tmp is usually rw though IINM |
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| 16:20.06 | grendal_prime | i cant figure out if this box is hacked or if i missconfigured soemthing |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | hac: no, that's not right either, man fstab |
| 16:20.59 | stew | hac: actually, that's right |
| 16:21.01 | stew | hac: nm |
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| 16:22.54 | Nyle | rahul: I got Paratha, and Daal, and Lussi :) |
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| 16:23.07 | grendal_prime | bindshell |
| 16:23.09 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 16:23.15 | rahul | mmm |
| 16:23.16 | Nyle | stew: you should have this drink I make.. delicious |
| 16:23.58 | jetscreamer | hey stoned post your ati 1337n3$$ in a factoid or something, tell ppl how to get fglrx working |
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| 16:24.09 | Nyle | after lunch |
| 16:24.11 | Nyle | will do |
| 16:24.29 | jetscreamer | heh Bhaal caught him a boot |
| 16:24.42 | Nyle | Bhaal: reminds me of Bhoot |
| 16:24.46 | Nyle | rahul: u know bhoot |
| 16:24.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:24.50 | rahul | heh |
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| 16:25.18 | Nyle | Bhaal: is the devil in western world i think, and bhoot is in indian |
| 16:25.19 | rahul | there's a song called deep wood |
| 16:25.29 | rahul | bhoot is more of a ghost |
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| 16:25.45 | jetscreamer | Bhaal is a .. ah crud how do you spell go`auld |
| 16:25.53 | rahul | scary, but not necessarily evil |
| 16:26.01 | Nyle | oh |
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| 16:26.24 | py_ | hello |
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| 16:26.55 | py_ | how can I prevent a specific module to be automatically loaded at startup? |
| 16:27.05 | Nyle | !blacklist |
| 16:27.05 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:27.08 | py_ | (appart from deleting its .ko file) |
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| 16:27.49 | py_ | Nyle: awesome, what a fast support :-) thanks a lot! |
| 16:27.55 | Nyle | yup |
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| 16:29.33 | hac | <enouf> i remember that its better mount /tmp noexec for security issues... http://forums.sagonet.com/showthread.php?t=2852 |
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| 16:30.25 | py_ | Nyle: I'm not sure I understand what do it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist using "install module_name /bin/true" exactly mean, can you explqin it? |
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| 16:31.12 | aglet | if I stick more than 4Gb in a (Xeon) server, do I suffer a significant performance hit due to paging overheads..? |
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| 16:31.59 | rahul | no |
| 16:32.36 | rahul | the physical bus is 36 bits or so |
| 16:32.43 | rahul | address buss |
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| 16:33.07 | rahul | it's only that the virtual addresses are limited to 32 bits |
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| 16:34.24 | pllb | on etch on an desktop environment install does rhythmbox popup when you hook up an ipod? |
| 16:34.42 | aglet | OK, so I can go up to, er 2^4=16 * 4Gb = 64Gb with no issues |
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| 16:35.04 | aglet | as long as no individual process needs more than 4Gb |
| 16:35.07 | rahul | aglet: not sure of the exact number, but yes |
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| 16:35.28 | aglet | OK, cool, thanks, I thought this PAE thing had a cost assocated with it |
| 16:35.30 | rahul | and x86 is byte-addressed, so it's GB |
| 16:35.41 | rahul | aglet: afaiu, it doesn't |
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| 16:36.32 | enouf | blacklist pcspkr for example py_ |
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| 16:37.14 | py_ | enouf: I just figured out what that "install" line meant reading this: http://www.beranger.org/index.php?article=2256 |
| 16:37.28 | sixtymhz | 2/join #debian-overflow |
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| 16:42.45 | hachi | anyone know about debian and nagios? I see that there is a nagios package for like 2.6, which is 5 months old... someone maintain newer ones? |
| 16:42.45 | hachi | dpkg has no clue |
| 16:42.46 | lunix_ | hachi: have you tried the backports? |
| 16:42.46 | hachi | never heard of that, asking dpkg |
| 16:42.46 | torrr | I am trying to ssh into X using macssh but I get broken connection to localhost:17 |
| 16:42.46 | torrr | when I try to open xterm |
| 16:43.13 | hachi | uh, that won't help because I'm pulling the version information from unstable as it is |
| 16:43.20 | hachi | can't backport something newer if it doesn't exist |
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| 16:44.12 | lunix_ | hehehe |
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| 16:45.15 | jeward | How do I resolve: W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:? |
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| 16:45.20 | jeward | etch |
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| 16:45.23 | stew | jeward: /topic |
| 16:45.26 | torrr | maybe I should do the forwarding manually... what ports do I need to forward for X forwarding |
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| 16:45.42 | torrr | ? |
| 16:45.50 | themill | jeward: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 16:46.03 | pllb | how do you go about setting it up so that when you plugin an ipod an app such as rhythmbox opens up? |
| 16:46.09 | jeward | Danke |
| 16:46.15 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.13 | hachi | how does one check the validity of the package that installs the keys? |
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| 16:47.27 | hachi | there are no reference in dpkg to that information |
| 16:47.31 | jeward | stew: That made it MUCH worse. :-( |
| 16:47.49 | jeward | stew: We have our own repository. |
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| 16:48.26 | jeward | stew: Do I need to change etch to lenny on our repository? |
| 16:48.27 | stew | jeward: gpg --export keyid | sudo apt-key add - |
| 16:48.41 | stew | jeward: no, you just need to import the gpg key that signed your repository into apt-key |
| 16:48.48 | stew | (and run aptitude update) |
| 16:48.52 | jeward | gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
| 16:48.52 | jeward | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. |
| 16:49.04 | stew | jeward: what key did you use to signed your repository? |
| 16:49.15 | jeward | stew: None that I am aware of? |
| 16:49.15 | remus02epr | #flood |
| 16:49.23 | stew | jeward: then what key is it complaining about? |
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| 16:49.35 | enouf | well that article is a bunch of bs as far as my pcspkr goes .. she's dead jim |
| 16:49.36 | jeward | stew: The message wasn't infomrative. |
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| 16:49.55 | jeward | Let me switch it back and see. |
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| 16:50.02 | adx | top gives me that i have a zombie process, how can i see which? |
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| 16:50.25 | stew | "< jeward> stew: That made it MUCH worse." what did you mean by this? |
| 16:50.27 | abrotman | with ps |
| 16:50.43 | jeward | stew: B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 16:50.58 | hachi | how do I check the validity of the debian-archive-keyring before installing it? |
| 16:51.03 | stew | jeward: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 16:51.07 | jeward | stew: I got a ton of errors... there's no lenny on my respoitory I guess. |
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| 16:51.27 | czarist | having trouble w/a ad-hoc wireless network.. ESSIDs are the same, same channel, both in ad-hoc mode. Can't ping each other. strange. any suggestions? |
| 16:51.29 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.31 | jeward | Ooops. |
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| 16:51.55 | enouf | and for something like ipv6 that gets the appropriate alias kill in a differnet file (file:///etc/modprobe.d/aliases) using alias net-pf-10 off |
| 16:52.02 | jeward | stew: Okay, that fixed my problem. |
| 16:52.04 | smcavoy_ | hi gnome and xfce seem to be fighting over which controls the desktop. I set xfce to control it but when I install anything gnome related it gnome takes its over. is there an update-alternatives for this? |
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| 16:52.22 | jeward | stew: But is my etch repo going to remain vialble, or do I need to switch it to lenny? |
| 16:52.26 | stew | hachi: do you have a trust path to anyone in the debian-keyring? |
| 16:52.45 | hachi | stew: probably not, dpkg didn't say to do anything else |
| 16:52.51 | stew | hachi: do you have a gpg key? |
| 16:52.54 | jetscreamer | yes there is an update alternative for that |
| 16:53.03 | hachi | me? yes |
| 16:53.05 | jetscreamer | a few/several , iirc |
| 16:53.07 | stew | jeward: i'm not sure i understand what you are asking |
| 16:53.14 | stew | hachi: have you used it to sign anyone elses key? |
| 16:53.45 | hachi | I don't know anymore, it's been a long time |
| 16:53.51 | x_link | Hi! |
| 16:54.13 | jetscreamer | smcavoy_: either try update-alternatives --all , or ls /etc/alternatives and pick&choose |
| 16:54.34 | jetscreamer | pick&choose which to update-alternative -config blah |
| 16:54.39 | x_link | I use Debian Testing and alot of times when I do updates/upgrades it's packages for gnome. I want to totaly remove gnome from my debian system. I did aptitude purge gnome, but I guess "gnome" is not the exact packagename. |
| 16:54.40 | hachi | is there an 'apt-key' theory page? |
| 16:54.46 | x_link | Does anybody know the real packagename? |
| 16:54.55 | stew | hachi: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 16:54.55 | hachi | I'd rather not be bugging people about this and just read the theory behind use |
| 16:54.58 | sepski | !remove gnome |
| 16:54.58 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 16:55.04 | hachi | apt-secure... okay |
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| 16:55.20 | jeward | stew: I have a mirror repository on my own machine. Though everything works now, do I need to do anything abouyt the etch/lenny differences? |
| 16:55.21 | stew | hachi: for instance, i can check the trust path to zobel that signed the archive key: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=BE9BF8DA&TO=5D64F870&PATHS=trust+paths |
| 16:55.25 | enouf | hachi: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html |
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| 16:55.30 | jetscreamer | libgnome* |
| 16:55.36 | jetscreamer | install deborphan first |
| 16:55.40 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 16:56.02 | jetscreamer | use aptitude also |
| 16:56.17 | stew | jeward: what about it? do you need a local repository of lenny? |
| 16:56.21 | jeward | stew: Only if etch is going away? |
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| 16:56.40 | jeward | stew: What IS lenny? :-) |
| 16:57.00 | stew | jeward: etch is not going away until a year after lenny releases, lenny has no planned release date, but assume its not going to be anytime soon |
| 16:57.01 | x_link | sepski: Thanks, but I saw that firestarter will be removed. I use that on KDE: |
| 16:57.19 | stew | jeward: the new version of debian testing, created when etch was released a few weeks ago |
| 16:57.48 | jeward | stew: Ah, okay. |
| 16:57.59 | jeward | stew: I understand now, thanks! |
| 16:58.07 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 16:58.07 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method |
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| 16:59.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.53 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 16:59.53 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 16:59.54 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 17:00.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: happy :) |
| 17:00.07 | jetscreamer | if it works |
| 17:00.17 | stew | diff: added /msg dpkg etch, /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; /msg dpkg lenny |
| 17:00.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 17:00.30 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:00.39 | jetscreamer | that is what you did.... i remember now |
| 17:00.41 | cwheeler | jetscreamer what's the best docs for building debian packages? |
| 17:00.47 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 17:00.48 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 17:00.49 | jetscreamer | i dunno never did it |
| 17:00.53 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 17:01.18 | cwheeler | thanks i'm trying to build postgres and i get an error i don't understand |
| 17:01.20 | Nyle | cwheeler: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:02.30 | cwheeler | thanks Nyle |
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| 17:02.36 | Nyle | updated factoid |
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| 17:02.40 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:02.42 | doudou | hello, how do i know the version of debian? |
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| 17:02.59 | Nyle | doudou: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:03.04 | Nyle | !version |
| 17:03.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 17:03.32 | jetscreamer | Nyle: is there an fglrx-installer equiv for --x-module-path= and --x-library-path= ? if so, --x-module-path=`X -showDefaultModulePath 2>&1 | cut -d, -f1` --x-library-path=`X -showDefaultLibPath 2>&1` should work with the latest xorg in sid |
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| 17:03.46 | Nyle | jetscreamer: no clue |
| 17:04.06 | Nyle | oh man I think I ate too much |
| 17:04.17 | Nyle | whoah sleepy |
| 17:04.22 | doudou | Nyle, it is 4.0 there should not be a name with this number? |
| 17:04.31 | Nyle | 4.0 is etch/stable |
| 17:04.56 | doudou | Nyle, how do i change system name? its name is debian and it ask dns for debian |
| 17:05.04 | Nyle | hostname? |
| 17:05.19 | doudou | Nyle, what mean etch ? |
| 17:05.19 | Nyle | sudo hostname or /etc/hostname |
| 17:05.33 | Nyle | doudou: etch is the name of debian 4.0 which is currently stable |
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| 17:06.47 | Nyle | doudou: etch will be oldstable when lenny becomes stable.. in a few years |
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| 17:07.18 | doudou | Nyle, etch is like potatoe or sarge or lenny ? etch sound like a command |
| 17:07.31 | Ronin | doudou: etch from etch-a-sketch |
| 17:07.32 | cat | lol |
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| 17:07.43 | rahul | itch-a-scratch |
| 17:07.56 | Nyle | rahul: well you have to |
| 17:08.08 | Nyle | but its a bit backwards |
| 17:08.11 | jetscreamer | doudou: zomg you didn't have an etch-a-sketch when you were a kid? |
| 17:08.12 | zophy_ | anyone know a script that will create a self validated ssl cert for apache so i don't have to do any thinking ? |
| 17:08.16 | Nyle | you scratch an itch |
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| 17:08.27 | doudou | Ronin, sorry not enought english knowledge to understand this one |
| 17:08.29 | xand | zophy_: openssl |
| 17:08.30 | Nyle | scratch-a-itch |
| 17:08.31 | mebeerik | hi dudes. anyone who can help me with mrtg? |
| 17:08.37 | xand | !anyone |
| 17:08.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:08.40 | jetscreamer | doudou: it's a children's toy |
| 17:08.41 | Nyle | !tell mebeerik -about ask |
| 17:08.50 | Ronin | doudou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etch_A_Sketch |
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| 17:09.06 | jetscreamer | you draw lines in graphite basically or or, and can erase |
| 17:09.13 | mebeerik | !tell mebeerik -about mrtg |
| 17:09.13 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 17:09.14 | mebeerik | ? |
| 17:09.19 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 17:09.26 | jetscreamer | try /msg dpkg mrtg |
| 17:09.52 | tomdick | i just installed the nvidia drivers on a laptop w/geforce2mx running etch. once i restarted X i get really low quality color. is there a way to see what depth i'm currently using? |
| 17:10.20 | doudou | Ronin, thanks, i had this toy when i was young, cant remmember his name ... nice, i feel happy, thanks all |
| 17:10.26 | Nyle | tomdick: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 17:10.34 | jetscreamer | well |
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| 17:10.57 | Nyle | hehe he feels happy |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | xdpyinfo |
| 17:11.18 | rahul | I feel gay! wee |
| 17:11.23 | tomdick | Nyle: that tells me what i _want_ to use on the DefaultDepth line, but i guarantee i'm not using 24 bit color |
| 17:11.25 | jetscreamer | damg Xorg -configure |
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| 17:12.33 | jetscreamer | tomdick: it 'should' at least be in /var/log/Xorg.0.log somewhere |
| 17:12.40 | Nyle | rahul: as in happy? ok. other one.. stay away from me |
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| 17:12.46 | rahul | heh |
| 17:12.58 | E-bola | do anybody know a tool similar to the windows tasmanager for linux? |
| 17:13.05 | wad | I do a "who" on a box, and seem my friend is logged in. Is there a way to send him a chat? |
| 17:13.05 | E-bola | where u can see the utilisation of the different cpu cores? |
| 17:13.06 | jetscreamer | top? |
| 17:13.08 | rahul | E-bola: top |
| 17:13.10 | E-bola | top doesnt apear to do it? |
| 17:13.14 | xand | !u |
| 17:13.15 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:13.17 | E-bola | can u see different cpu's/cores in top? |
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| 17:13.31 | jetscreamer | !find top |
| 17:13.35 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 17:13.36 | xand | E-bola: "you" |
| 17:13.40 | rahul | u is on efnet |
| 17:13.44 | tomdick | E-bola: try htop instead. it's nicer |
| 17:13.50 | wad | hyperreductionism-- |
| 17:13.55 | E-bola | tomdick: does it require X or something like that? |
| 17:13.55 | mebeerik | no one with mrtg-experiences? |
| 17:14.02 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'top' (9 of 54): (/etc/sntoprc) in net/sntop ;; (/etc/isdn/stop) in utils/isdnlog ;; (/usr/bin/atitoppm) in misc/gatos ;; (/etc/rlwrap/coqtop) in utils/rlwrap ;; (/usr/bin/3dtopos) in science/survex ;; (/etc/sympa/topics.conf) in mail/sympa ;; (/etc/pekwm/autoproperties) in x11/pekwm ;; (/etc/trn4/trn4top) in non-free/news/trn4 ;; (/etc/nufw/nutop.conf) in net/nuauth-utils. |
| 17:14.25 | E-bola | wow nice |
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| 17:14.38 | E-bola | that looks precisely like what i had imagined |
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| 17:14.42 | E-bola | thanks tomdick |
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| 17:15.10 | rahul | stew: hrm, AnAkA is a decent band from brooklyn |
| 17:15.25 | rahul | kinda megadethy, but a bit more prog |
| 17:15.34 | rahul | blah |
| 17:15.35 | rahul | stoffell: |
| 17:15.39 | rahul | damn it |
| 17:15.41 | alexhu89 | Hi! How can see my chipset? What is the command to see it? |
| 17:15.45 | rahul | Nyle: fix your nick :P |
| 17:15.48 | jetscreamer | lspci maybe |
| 17:15.55 | stew | alexhu89: dmidecode |
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| 17:15.56 | jetscreamer | lspci|less |
| 17:16.04 | jetscreamer | there ya go do what stew says |
| 17:16.06 | Nyle | !wacom |
| 17:16.06 | dpkg | i heard wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 17:16.09 | alexhu89 | ohh: -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 17:16.13 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 17:16.24 | alexhu89 | I install the system with netinst... |
| 17:16.26 | rahul | it's in packiage pcitools or something |
| 17:16.31 | jetscreamer | you need to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:16.37 | abrotman | pciutils |
| 17:16.38 | tomdick | abrotman: xdpyinfo has a lot of output. is there a field i should be looking at specifically? |
| 17:16.39 | rahul | !find bin/lspci |
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| 17:16.48 | abrotman | tomdick: it's up near the top IIRC |
| 17:16.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 17:17.34 | alexhu89 | I've got only-command, no X |
| 17:17.34 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 17:17.38 | jetscreamer | why is there an lspci in /bin and another in /usr/bin |
| 17:17.42 | jetscreamer | and there is |
| 17:17.46 | stew | this is to get lspci on his machine to confirm that it won't tell him his chipset, right? |
| 17:17.47 | abrotman | alexhu89: aptitude install pciutils |
| 17:18.05 | tomdick | abrotman: i'm seeing references to different depths, but nothing conclusive |
| 17:18.06 | rahul | stew: of course |
| 17:18.09 | jetscreamer | you need to apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade , alexhu89 |
| 17:18.12 | jetscreamer | imo |
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| 17:18.25 | jetscreamer | s/ap-get/aptitude/ |
| 17:18.27 | jetscreamer | err |
| 17:18.28 | alexhu89 | jetscream: this is the latest.. |
| 17:18.29 | tomdick | alexhu89: you might also try 'dmidecode' |
| 17:18.30 | jetscreamer | you know what i mean |
| 17:18.38 | jetscreamer | !info pciutils |
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| 17:18.48 | dpkg | pciutils: (Linux PCI Utilities), section admin, is standard. Version: 1:2.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 206 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 17:18.50 | alexhu89 | abrotman: it has downloaded by aptitude install pciutils |
| 17:18.50 | rahul | !penixstrike jetscreamer |
| 17:18.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jetscreamer to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:18.59 | alexhu89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.20 | jetscreamer | alexhu89: that package should be installed. if it wasn't, you need to do the update/dist-upgrade |
| 17:20.04 | alexhu89 | 0-0-0-0 I said I've got brand new updates.. |
| 17:20.12 | alexhu89 | bot now works |
| 17:20.18 | alexhu89 | but:) |
| 17:20.37 | sparrw | how can i turn off my keyboard's capslock remotely? |
| 17:20.39 | jetscreamer | did you have to explicitly install a standard package? |
| 17:20.47 | rahul | sparrw: setleds or xset |
| 17:21.08 | alexhu89 | I need this because I want to kernel complie to try myself |
| 17:21.11 | jetscreamer | pciutils |
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| 17:21.28 | jetscreamer | did you just have to install pciutils to get lspci to work |
| 17:21.41 | alexhu89 | jetscream: it is done |
| 17:21.49 | jetscreamer | and you just did it? |
| 17:21.54 | alexhu89 | I said it works, thank you |
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| 17:21.57 | alexhu89 | no i said: |
| 17:22.09 | alexhu89 | [19:19] <alexhu89> abrotman: it has downloaded by aptitude install pciutils |
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| 17:22.21 | alexhu89 | and now works:) |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | don't mind jetscreamer .. he's old .. has poor eyesight :) |
| 17:22.53 | abrotman | !geezersmite jetscreamer |
| 17:23.00 | adalgiso_ | im having trouble accessing my hard drives |
| 17:23.07 | adalgiso_ | im getting the following error |
| 17:23.17 | adalgiso_ | Unable to mount the selected volume |
| 17:23.24 | jetscreamer | then if that means yes you just did aptitude install pciutils , then you did not have a standard package installed, which should have already been installed, therefore you need to do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:23.26 | adalgiso_ | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 17:23.26 | adalgiso_ | process 31212: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 17:23.26 | adalgiso_ | error: device /dev/sda1 is not removable |
| 17:23.26 | adalgiso_ | error: could not execute pmount |
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| 17:23.28 | jetscreamer | !lart abrotman |
| 17:23.32 | rahul | arse |
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| 17:23.43 | alexhu89 | Another question: Will this help me in Kernel Compile because I get VFS: Unable to mount root... I think I forgot to compile it to my kernel. Am I right? |
| 17:23.59 | jetscreamer | !tell alexhu89 -about initrd |
| 17:24.00 | stew | alexhu89: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
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| 17:24.51 | jetscreamer | abrotman: better my eyes than my brain eh |
| 17:24.55 | adalgiso_ | ugh |
| 17:24.58 | adalgiso_ | stupid autokick |
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| 17:25.55 | adalgiso_ | #flood |
| 17:26.02 | themill | adalgiso_: we'd get entire xorg.conf files and kernel configs being pasted in without it, though! |
| 17:26.10 | adalgiso_ | yeah i know |
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| 17:26.15 | themill | :) |
| 17:26.16 | adalgiso_ | i didnt read the motd, my fault |
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| 17:26.40 | sparrw | rahul: setleds doesnt seem to support a different terminal. xset might have worked but i couldnt figure it out before i got my roommate on the phone and did it the manual way :) |
| 17:26.53 | rahul | heh |
| 17:27.08 | rahul | setleds doesn't support that even for root? |
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| 17:27.14 | rahul | !penixstrike setleds |
| 17:27.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking setleds to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:27.25 | jetscreamer | ah is that what that's for |
| 17:27.42 | sparrw | "can you go upstairs and hit my capslock key?" "why?" |
| 17:27.58 | rahul | sparrw: TTY=/dev/tty1 setleds ... might work |
| 17:28.22 | rahul | setleds < /dev/tty1 |
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| 17:28.41 | alexhu89 | hmm. A new one question: Will this OK if I try to compile the latest kernel (2.6.20.7) ? |
| 17:28.57 | rahul | !kernel of instability |
| 17:28.57 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 17:29.00 | rahul | (and arseability) |
| 17:29.01 | jetscreamer | if you don't frak menuconfig up |
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| 17:29.24 | jetscreamer | and have every package you need installed |
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| 17:29.42 | stew | alexhu89: the can't mount root problem you have is a misconfiguration, not a kernel bug, so using a newer kenrel will not fix the problem you are currently having |
| 17:29.52 | jetscreamer | initrd |
| 17:30.04 | dclarke | is PeterS around ? |
| 17:30.06 | alexhu89 | Ok, understood |
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| 17:32.03 | abrotman | dclarke: lots of people are .. can't you ask us ? |
| 17:32.08 | ebbs | hi Can I make sed to replace the first hit in the file only? |
| 17:32.12 | abrotman | thingfish: shouldn't you be at work ? |
| 17:32.17 | abrotman | ebbs: #sed ? |
| 17:32.30 | ebbs | sed |
| 17:32.33 | dclarke | abrotman : this is sort of personal and yet .. not .. tough call really |
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| 17:32.45 | abrotman | dclarke: how is it personal ? |
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| 17:32.52 | ebbs | standard editor |
| 17:32.55 | ebbs | ? |
| 17:32.58 | abrotman | ebbs: ask #sed |
| 17:33.00 | rahul | stream editor |
| 17:33.06 | ebbs | ahh |
| 17:33.08 | ebbs | k |
| 17:33.09 | dclarke | abrotman : I made him a promise |
| 17:33.20 | abrotman | dclarke: to come here and annoy us :) |
| 17:33.21 | jetscreamer | well keep it |
| 17:33.38 | abrotman | dclarke: you can msg him if it's that personal .. if it's a support/Debian question .. ask the rest of us |
| 17:33.42 | abrotman | dclarke: or try memoserv |
| 17:34.06 | thingfish | abrotman: no, today I started a new schedule. |
| 17:34.08 | dclarke | abrotman : its related to Debian |
| 17:34.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:34.17 | abrotman | dclarke: are you going to stop being vague? :) |
| 17:34.34 | dclarke | abrotman : no |
| 17:34.34 | enouf | dclarke: keep it up .. you doing fine ;-) |
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| 17:35.08 | jetscreamer | !confuse abrotman |
| 17:35.08 | dpkg | No, those are my pineapple tomorrow, abrotman? lederhosen of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 17:35.12 | jetscreamer | that wasn't hard |
| 17:35.18 | rahul | lederhosen! |
| 17:35.23 | jetscreamer | sonny |
| 17:35.47 | rahul | isn't it lichtenstein? |
| 17:35.53 | dutchfish | herring? yummi |
| 17:35.56 | enouf | rahul: + fish .. a joyous occasion ;-) |
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| 17:36.01 | Azar | debian... personal... I take it he wants to apply for DD |
| 17:36.33 | rahul | guess not |
| 17:36.33 | stew | Azar: i assume that its related to the fact that he was accusing debian (and peterS personnall) of stealing credit for cdtools |
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| 17:36.54 | enouf | ahh . as that who that is? |
| 17:37.05 | Azar | aw, I thought we threw cdtools |
| 17:37.14 | stew | Azar: forked it |
| 17:37.24 | abrotman | for cdrkit ? |
| 17:37.24 | Azar | yes, :) I read about it |
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| 17:37.35 | peterS | dclarke: hey |
| 17:37.35 | enouf | could've use a spork , but .. |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | !spork enouf |
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| 17:37.54 | stew | abrotman: for whatever the source of wodim is |
| 17:38.00 | abrotman | i think cdrkit |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | steal credit? |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | from the crazy guy ? |
| 17:38.12 | peterS | it is cdrkit, forked from cdrtools, yes |
| 17:38.12 | abrotman | joerg or whatever it is |
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| 17:38.23 | dclarke | peterS : I did what you said an dI researched the whole Joerg Schilling fiasco as well as looked closely at the CDDL license |
| 17:38.28 | Azar | abrotman: I read about it, we moved away from cdrecord |
| 17:38.41 | dclarke | peterS : this has all led me to the public apology |
| 17:38.46 | enouf | wodim/cdrecord , genisoimage/mkisofs, like that |
| 17:38.49 | jetscreamer | ah so this is the origin of wodim |
| 17:38.49 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. i know .. but why is anyone being accused of stealing credit? |
| 17:38.57 | jetscreamer | they arent |
| 17:39.00 | jetscreamer | anymore? |
| 17:39.00 | abrotman | !wodim |
| 17:39.01 | dpkg | [wodim] a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 17:39.04 | dclarke | peterS : which you, as well as a few otehr people in the Debian world .. deserve |
| 17:39.07 | Azar | abrotman: who knows what Shilling wants |
| 17:39.07 | peterS | abrotman: it's complicated |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | peterS: "Days of Our Lives" complicated? |
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| 17:39.28 | dclarke | abrotman : yes .. he is complicated . I spoke to him also |
| 17:39.30 | jetscreamer | !dclarke++ |
| 17:39.39 | kth` | Must I compile in ps/2 mouse driver to use synaptics? |
| 17:39.43 | peterS | abrotman: possibly |
| 17:39.46 | abrotman | kth`: should be a module |
| 17:39.53 | jetscreamer | there's a synaptic module isn't there |
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| 17:39.57 | kth` | Alright, thanks |
| 17:40.19 | abrotman | peterS: are you amrried to your sister's husband's mother while sleeping with your neighbor's dog .. that show was so messed up |
| 17:40.19 | peterS | dclarke: thank you. I know it's tough to form a coherent picture of that mess, so I appreciate you taking the trouble to do so |
| 17:40.21 | jeward | So now that etch ie released, does sarge become broken? |
| 17:40.22 | peterS | abrotman: maybe |
| 17:40.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:40.31 | abrotman | jeward: sarge becomes oldstable |
| 17:40.34 | jetscreamer | jeward: no it becomes oldstable |
| 17:40.36 | kth` | jetscreamer; Can't see it in 2.6.20.7... And compiled without ps/2 support I can't use the touchpad >_> |
| 17:40.39 | abrotman | jeward: it will have continued support for a bit |
| 17:40.39 | jeward | I have packages needin a newer libc6, for instance. |
| 17:40.40 | dclarke | perterS : I don't want to dilute the expression here. I was entirely wrong in my assumptions. I made wide sweeping statement with out facts. I had no experience nor understading of the problems you and other in the Debian communiy endured |
| 17:40.41 | stew | jeward: no, it is supported for one year, or until lenny is released |
| 17:40.41 | jetscreamer | damn young whippersnapper |
| 17:40.44 | madclicker | hi, need help with raidutils, anyone using this package, there is very little info on this package. HELP! |
| 17:40.57 | zophy_ | aren't /etc/rcS.d/module-init-tools and /etc/rcS.d/modultils redundant ? |
| 17:40.59 | dclarke | sorry .. spelled your name wrong |
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| 17:41.07 | valdyn | madclicker: except for the manpages? |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | dclarke: just wait til you read the iceweasel stuff! :) |
| 17:41.12 | jetscreamer | kth`: no idea, i don't ever use the touchpad even if i have one |
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| 17:41.22 | madclicker | valdyn, no manpages either |
| 17:41.27 | jeward | How do I fix this: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge6 is installed. |
| 17:41.36 | peterS | zophy_: modutils is only for kernels older than 2.6, if you don't intend to run a 2.4 kernel you don't need it |
| 17:41.40 | stew | jeward: you are trying to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 17:41.41 | dclarke | peterS : I looked at the CDDL as well and you need to know that I *know* my way around Solaris and OpenSolaris and I am currently running Debian |
| 17:41.46 | jeward | stew: No. |
| 17:41.49 | jetscreamer | jeward: guessing your sources say stable |
| 17:41.53 | dclarke | xchat .. on Debian right now |
| 17:41.57 | dclarke | and I like it a lot |
| 17:42.00 | jeward | stew: Just a normal Wednesday upgrade. |
| 17:42.01 | stew | jeward: are your sources pointing to stable or sarge? |
| 17:42.07 | Azar | many people are not in sync with what Debian does and why.... daily reading of news and gossips is helpful |
| 17:42.09 | jeward | stew: ah.... |
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| 17:42.10 | abrotman | dclarke: how long have you been researching this ? |
| 17:42.13 | jeward | stew: Let me check. |
| 17:42.15 | stew | jeward: that indicates that your sources are pointing to etch or stable |
| 17:42.15 | kth` | By the way, did lenny repositories calm down now? Is it possible to netboot-install it now? |
| 17:42.17 | dclarke | two days |
| 17:42.20 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:42.29 | sylvanthis | xchat ftwww |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | oh well |
| 17:42.31 | dclarke | since I had my flame session with peterS |
| 17:42.43 | jetscreamer | kth`: somebody was saying last night it wasn't working for them, no idea |
| 17:42.43 | peterS | abrotman: we chatted privately for awhile after our argument about cdrkit in here, and he agreed to look into the facts of the matter |
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| 17:42.57 | dutchfish | kth`, i just did |
| 17:42.58 | lakupuu_ | yellow |
| 17:43.04 | jeward | stew: I have one line pointing to stable: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:43.05 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but will he email joerg and tell him the facts ? :) |
| 17:43.06 | dclarke | and I promised him an apology if in fact the wodim package was indeed a derivitave that gives plenty of nods to Schilling |
| 17:43.13 | jeward | stew: Is that the culprit? |
| 17:43.14 | stew | jeward: yes, that should be "sarge/updates" |
| 17:43.18 | stew | jeward: probably |
| 17:43.18 | peterS | abrotman: hehe. I'm sure that would be effective. |
| 17:43.18 | dutchfish | kth`, only some minors with locales |
| 17:43.19 | jeward | stew: Thanks! |
| 17:43.22 | jetscreamer | themill: it's !dclarke++ |
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| 17:43.35 | kth` | dutchfish; Great, I'll be needing the C locale only ;) |
| 17:44.01 | dutchfish | kth`, some packages however depend on utf8 |
| 17:44.05 | dclarke | I don't understand what !dclarke++ means |
| 17:44.15 | jetscreamer | !karma dclarke |
| 17:44.15 | dpkg | dclarke has karma of 1 |
| 17:44.16 | sepski | dclarke, it increases your karma |
| 17:44.18 | peterS | dclarke: it's a command to dpkg the bot to increase your karma score |
| 17:44.23 | abrotman | i wonder what happened to the iceweasel/firefox guy from last week |
| 17:44.29 | sepski | so you dont have to be reincarnated as a bug |
| 17:44.30 | dclarke | oh |
| 17:44.37 | sepski | :) |
| 17:44.49 | kth` | dutchfish; Don't suppose you installed en_US.UTF-8 by chance? |
| 17:45.03 | themill | jetscreamer: ah yes... of course there was a formal way of doing it as well. I was just being nice :) |
| 17:45.08 | jetscreamer | easier than me yelling respect! and thumping my chest and waving my fist |
| 17:45.12 | dclarke | well ... I am here to say very clearly that I was entirely wrong .. and after looking into it .. the wodim package is a fine open source package in the spirit of open source |
| 17:45.15 | dutchfish | kth`, sorry i solved it with installing nl_NL.UTF-8 |
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| 17:45.16 | dclarke | I am repeating myself |
| 17:45.17 | sylvanthis | hahahahha reincarnated as a bug lol |
| 17:45.33 | sylvanthis | apt-get moo this is silly :D |
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| 17:45.42 | peterS | dclarke: accepted. thanks for doing ths. |
| 17:45.45 | jetscreamer | !vrms |
| 17:45.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 17:45.48 | dclarke | furthermore .. I am slowoing going to convery my office to Debian based workstations |
| 17:45.48 | sepski | sylvanthis, i think it's great |
| 17:45.53 | sepski | a lot better then aptitude moo |
| 17:45.54 | dutchfish | kth`, but its possible with plain english that you dont run into my problem |
| 17:46.01 | kth` | dutchfish; Ah, well, guess I'll have to try it myself then, thanks |
| 17:46.03 | abrotman | dclarke: now that's what we really like! |
| 17:46.03 | peterS | sepski: ah but what about aptitude -v moo |
| 17:46.09 | sylvanthis | sepski, ^^ |
| 17:46.10 | sepski | peterS, i know about it |
| 17:46.15 | sylvanthis | sepski, emerge moo |
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| 17:46.33 | dclarke | first question I was asked .. and this is part and parcel of why I have been workign so hard to get a grip on Debian , is the issue of support |
| 17:46.55 | abrotman | dclarke: we're not good enough? |
| 17:47.00 | dclarke | really .. we need to run basic open office |
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| 17:47.08 | dclarke | as well as a browser |
| 17:47.21 | dclarke | and not too much more |
| 17:47.21 | rpc | so far rm /dev/wife beats anything ;) |
| 17:47.21 | dclarke | I think we will be safe to run Debian |
| 17:47.43 | stew | !vrms is also now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 17:47.43 | dclarke | abrotman : actually .. the support here is stunning |
| 17:47.43 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 17:47.43 | sylvanthis | dclarke, what is 'basic' openoffice? |
| 17:47.52 | ianm_ | has there been any talk about diff'ing packages or anything to reduce download size? |
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| 17:48.06 | dutchfish | kth`, 1 more minor there was also something with timezones and ntpdate |
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| 17:48.14 | dclarke | sylvanthis : the ability to open Microsoft Word docs and Excel docs and convert them to ODT |
| 17:48.29 | dutchfish | kth`, tzconfig is fixed, but ntpdate isnt |
| 17:48.33 | abrotman | dclarke: compared to other channels i've tried .. yes .. unbelievably so |
| 17:48.57 | dclarke | so then .. peterS |
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| 17:49.11 | sylvanthis | dclarke, but openoffice can already do that right? |
| 17:49.14 | dclarke | peterS : what are your thoughts on this ? |
| 17:49.46 | peterS | dclarke: running an office full of debian boxes with openoffice and web browsers? sounds reasonable enough. I haven't tried much debian end-user support.. |
| 17:49.46 | sepski | ianm_, using rsync on minor version changes in packages would be nice. we'r all waiting for you to implement it :) |
| 17:50.12 | dclarke | peterS : no no .. I mean with regards to my blow up three days ago and my apology today |
| 17:50.32 | abrotman | peterS: you sohuld make him wear a dress! |
| 17:50.33 | peterS | dclarke: you did the right thing. I probably overreacted a bit too, I can be touchy |
| 17:50.52 | peterS | abrotman: hmmm |
| 17:50.54 | jetscreamer | !love dclarke |
| 17:50.54 | Nosferatu | Fuck you, cunt. |
| 17:50.58 | dclarke | I was awake most of th e weekend fighting with tftp and dhcpd to get a network based install running |
| 17:50.59 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:51.03 | abrotman | Nosferatu: wrong channel ? |
| 17:51.03 | dclarke | I was tired |
| 17:51.11 | dclarke | btu thats no excuse |
| 17:51.11 | sepski | dclarke, fai ? |
| 17:51.16 | peterS | dclarke: so did you ever get tftpd-hpa doing the right thing? |
| 17:51.19 | dclarke | yes ! |
| 17:51.21 | jetscreamer | lol@nosferatu |
| 17:51.43 | dclarke | in fact as I write this I have a guy at the other end of the address entering MAC addresses and then netbooting new workstations |
| 17:51.52 | dclarke | other end of the office I mean |
| 17:52.14 | peterS | heh, nice |
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| 17:52.32 | dclarke | also .. I ma running Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.3 |
| 17:52.37 | dclarke | that works real real well |
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| 17:52.50 | dclarke | the new workstations have NO floppy and no CDROM |
| 17:52.58 | dclarke | only front USB ports |
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| 17:53.09 | sylvanthis | netboot is great for migrating linux i guess |
| 17:53.11 | dclarke | we want to control end user screwups |
| 17:53.28 | alexhu89 | re... I've got Fujitsu S. Laptop with Celeron M 1,3 GHz. Need I CPUSET support to complie to kernel or to module or I don't need it.. ? tu |
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| 17:53.46 | enouf | nothing like them booting into their own usb keys |
| 17:54.11 | dclarke | enouf : we can control that functionality however |
| 17:54.18 | stew | alexhu89: do you have a good reason for compiling a kernel in the first place? |
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| 17:54.47 | alexhu89 | sorry, I can't understand what do you mean "first place" ? |
| 17:54.49 | sylvanthis | you ALWAYS have a good reason to compile your own kernel, stock sucks |
| 17:55.13 | jetscreamer | alexhu89: try #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 17:55.18 | alexhu89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.20 | dclarke | sylvanthis : I am running what-ever-is-publicly-avail and it runs great |
| 17:55.28 | sylvanthis | alexhu89, i think you had better build the CPUSET support inkernel, not as a module |
| 17:55.47 | alexhu89 | thanks |
| 17:55.48 | jetscreamer | alexhu89: start with the config of a stock image, and only take out what you know you don't need for a fact |
| 17:55.56 | stew | alexhu89: what are you doing to increase performance? |
| 17:55.57 | sylvanthis | dclarke, lucky you, but that's with 'more common' hardware i guess |
| 17:56.09 | dclarke | sylvanthis : not at all |
| 17:56.11 | sylvanthis | dclarke, i NEED a 2.6.19 kernel or higher |
| 17:56.21 | alexhu89 | with this: cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config ? |
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| 17:56.25 | dclarke | sylvanthis : this machine I have here right now is a thin client |
| 17:56.26 | sylvanthis | dclarke, which isn't even available as stock |
| 17:56.43 | stew | sylvanthis: there are 2.6.20 kernels for etch on backports.org |
| 17:56.48 | rahul | sylvanthis: pull it from unstable |
| 17:56.51 | dclarke | sylvanthis : it has a VIA chip, no moving parts |
| 17:57.01 | vin` | sylvanthis: why? that's supposed to be useful for large SMP or NUMA systems. he's got a celery. |
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| 17:57.28 | tomdick | ok, this is weird, setting up laptop and change iconset for kde. suddenly toolbar icons disappear. if i switch back, they're still gone. anyone know what to reinstall |
| 17:57.32 | tomdick | ? |
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| 17:57.49 | kth` | dutchfish; It's a rather modern laptop, which is why I install testing, so ntp updates are hardly useful to me. Thanks for the headsup |
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| 17:58.01 | dutchfish | tomdick, nothing, restart your desktop |
| 17:58.01 | sylvanthis | muah stock kernels might be good, but if you want to have a say in what to enable, disable, use as module, and have some spare time, i think a custom kernel is the better choice |
| 17:58.07 | enouf | a celery 1.3 prolly can't even benefit from speedstep |
| 17:58.14 | jetscreamer | you could just mv ~/.kde |
| 17:58.50 | dutchfish | kth`, dont forget its still 'testing' ok? |
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| 17:59.21 | jetscreamer | accruate time is not useful? |
| 17:59.23 | jetscreamer | ok |
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| 18:00.47 | dutchfish | jetscreamer, you only need accurate time with some encrypted connections |
| 18:00.48 | sylvanthis | what exactly is backports anyway? |
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| 18:00.48 | vladuz976 | hi i want to try debian, coming from archlinux. does debian do most discussion thru mailing lists? no forums? |
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| 18:01.03 | sylvanthis | vladuz976, and there's this irc channel... |
| 18:01.12 | sylvanthis | i think it's called #debian |
| 18:01.25 | vladuz976 | no wiki ? |
| 18:01.50 | sylvanthis | GIYF |
| 18:01.52 | sylvanthis | wiki.debian.org |
| 18:02.01 | dutchfish | vladuz976, what about http://forums.debian.net/ |
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| 18:02.29 | vladuz976 | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 18:03.42 | insecure | ki haal chaal friends |
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| 18:04.50 | ChrisW | hey all, how come debian's grub doesn't include grub-set-default? |
| 18:04.53 | sylvanthis | lol what does that mean? |
| 18:04.54 | sixtymhz | Anyone know anything about Qemu? |
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| 18:05.30 | dutchfish | ChrisW, man grub-update |
| 18:05.34 | sepski | sixtymhz, yes. install the kqemu kernel module from non-free |
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| 18:05.49 | ChrisW | dutchfish: they are NOT the same thing... |
| 18:06.02 | sixtymhz | sepski: But will that use more than one CPU? |
| 18:06.31 | ChrisW | and, to make things worse, there's not man entry for grub-update anyway... |
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| 18:07.15 | sanelson | I have a thinkpad t41 - ethernet card is intel 82540EP - sarge installer detects it, but the latest d-i snapshot bbc or netinst doesn't... my old bbc doesn't install at present; what's the best way forward? |
| 18:07.24 | dutchfish | ChrisW, oops you are right in Etch however is a manpage for grub-set default |
| 18:07.26 | sepski | ChrisW, i have grub-set-default on my etch system . and it's called update-grub |
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| 18:07.36 | sepski | and it have a manpage |
| 18:07.45 | sepski | simmerz, i have no idea |
| 18:07.51 | dutchfish | ChrisW, you are right again, i was mixed up |
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| 18:09.54 | ChrisW | sepski: so, you're really sure that update-grub and grub-set-default are the same thing? |
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| 18:10.09 | vin` | ChrisW: setting 'default saved' in menu.lst will boot the last successfully booted kernel. |
| 18:10.20 | ChrisW | funny, I thought update-grub was just a debianiasn for populating menu.lst, while grub-set-default sets the next boot option... |
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| 18:10.27 | sepski | ChrisW, i know that they are not the same thing. i just commented on that the command was update-grub, not grub-update |
| 18:10.39 | sepski | and that grub-set-default is present and working on my etch syste, |
| 18:10.40 | ChrisW | vin`: this i know too, I'm trying to get fallback to work |
| 18:10.43 | sepski | but i did it in one line. |
| 18:10.50 | sepski | sorry if that was confusing. |
| 18:10.58 | sepski | and there are man pages for both |
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| 18:11.21 | vladuz976 | other distros keep braging that they are 686 optimized, does that really make much of a difference ? |
| 18:11.22 | ChrisW | what fucktard decided that, just for debian, grub-set-default should be called update-grub?! |
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| 18:11.44 | kalila | hello. I have a file on disk, i wanna know what package it belongs to |
| 18:11.53 | dutchfish | ChrisW, me? |
| 18:11.55 | kalila | it was installed via apt-get |
| 18:12.24 | sylvanthis | hahahah "fucktard" |
| 18:12.24 | ChrisW | sepski; I have update-grub, which does what I thought |
| 18:12.29 | sylvanthis | cool word |
| 18:12.34 | ChrisW | I have no grub-update, and nor do I have a man page for it |
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| 18:13.18 | alper | hey, when i install proftpd, how can i set an ftp user password? |
| 18:13.23 | ChrisW | ohhhhh, wait, I see, you're saying you have grub-set-default on etch, right? |
| 18:13.35 | ChrisW | monkeynutz, I'm betting grub on sarge doesn't support fallback? |
| 18:13.56 | dutchfish | alper, by default it uses the created users on the system |
| 18:14.26 | dutchfish | alper, but can be changed depending on the mode you config proftpd |
| 18:14.27 | alper | i installed it under root |
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| 18:14.56 | yosef_ | Hi |
| 18:15.02 | alper | can i change it in proftpd.conf |
| 18:15.02 | ChrisW | am I right about grub on sarge not supporting fallback? |
| 18:15.04 | alper | dutchfish, |
| 18:15.05 | hark | kalila: dpkg -S |
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| 18:15.40 | yosef_ | I have problem, in my network configuretion, eatch time in fix the dns 213.42.20.20 after closing it automaticlly chage to 192.168.1.1, somebody know why? |
| 18:15.44 | dutchfish | alper, yes in proftpd.conf |
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| 18:16.36 | alper | dutchfish, watch query pls |
| 18:16.52 | alexhu89 | I found different kinds of howto.. I use 2.6.18 kernel and i complie 2.6.20.7.. so first command: make clean than make menuconfig (i did the settings an save the config) and what turns? which commands? pls help me |
| 18:16.59 | dutchfish | alper, http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/proftpd/c_proftpd.html |
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| 18:17.27 | alper | dutchfish, |
| 18:17.27 | alper | grap@h1277762:~$ apt-get install proftpd |
| 18:17.27 | alper | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 18:17.27 | alper | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
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| 18:17.34 | dutchfish | alper, it can run on all kind of back-ends actually |
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| 18:18.10 | alexhu89 | which is the good? |
| 18:18.10 | alexhu89 | 1st howto: make bzImage than make modules than make modules_install |
| 18:18.10 | alexhu89 | 2nd howto: make-kpkg clean than fakeroot make deb-pkg than dpkg -i linux-.....deb |
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| 18:18.47 | ianm_ | sepski: found this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/439 |
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| 18:19.24 | vin` | alexhu89: 2nd |
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| 18:20.20 | vin` | alexhu89: man make-kpkg if you haven't. |
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| 18:20.24 | alexhu89 | vin` i typed make bzImage.. but I don't continue. Is it wrong? Can I now type make-kpkg clean... |
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| 18:22.05 | sylvanthis | alexhu89, make && make modules_install && make install for 2.6 kernels i believe |
| 18:22.22 | vin` | alexhu89: not wrong, using kernel-package is easier and recommended. |
| 18:22.26 | yosef_ | I have question, why my dns configuration is automaticlly change to 192.168.1.1? |
| 18:22.46 | sylvanthis | yosef_, you probably run dhcp |
| 18:22.52 | dutchfish | alper, you need to be root to do that |
| 18:23.13 | alper | yea |
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| 18:23.22 | alper | i put in my created user for "username" ? |
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| 18:23.23 | alexhu89 | Than what should I do now? What are the next steps. I don't realy know... :S |
| 18:23.31 | alper | and the ftp runs with its pw? |
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| 18:23.39 | sylvanthis | yosef_, so if you don't want /etc/resolv.conf to change, set a static ip address, or set the -i flag i believe, then /etc/resolv.conf is readonly and not touchable |
| 18:24.00 | Azar | he who does not read documentation, online references and man is a fucktard, not the ones who wrote the packages |
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| 18:24.15 | sylvanthis | chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf ^^ |
| 18:25.03 | h3sp4wn | yosef_: You can edit the dhcp client config file or use resolvconf |
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| 18:25.20 | vin` | alexhu89: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-kernel-details |
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| 18:25.33 | dutchfish | alper, install proftpd as root, with default config it uses the users and the passwords that are alreaydy on the system except root |
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| 18:25.52 | dutchfish | alper, you could change this in proftpd.conf |
| 18:26.07 | alper | where is it located? |
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| 18:26.32 | alper | k |
| 18:26.43 | dutchfish | alper, /etc/proftpd.conf or /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf i cant remember |
| 18:26.46 | h3sp4wn | yosef_: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (unhash the #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1 line and edit to suit) |
| 18:27.21 | alper | k i got |
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| 18:27.22 | alper | it |
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| 18:27.23 | alper | but in which line can i change it? |
| 18:27.26 | dutchfish | !pastebin |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 18:27.38 | alper | can i add users there by typing a new line |
| 18:27.42 | alper | with a user's name and password? |
| 18:27.48 | dutchfish | alper, no |
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| 18:28.04 | dutchfish | alper, i suget man proftpd.conf and read carefully |
| 18:28.22 | dutchfish | alper, http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/proftpd/c_proftpd.html |
| 18:28.31 | sylvanthis | just about to say that |
| 18:28.38 | alper | it didnt help me |
| 18:29.00 | dutchfish | alper, why not? |
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| 18:29.37 | alper | cause i didnt understand it |
| 18:30.04 | sylvanthis | so you need to read more carefully |
| 18:30.12 | sylvanthis | of get vsftpd and you can get my config |
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| 18:31.46 | Azar | alper: you need to really want to read and understand if you want to master your system |
| 18:32.16 | dutchfish | alper, maybe this: http://www.tim-bormann.de/index.php?section=145 |
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| 18:32.49 | spheard | how can I check what incoming/outgoing connections are going on and how much data is going thru in CLI? |
| 18:33.01 | dutchfish | alper, be carefull with setting up a secure ftp box plz |
| 18:33.09 | sixtymhz | spheard: ntop ftw |
| 18:33.30 | alper | ill give vsftpd a try |
| 18:33.37 | Azar | spheard: ntop, htop, netstat -a, or -na, or -pant |
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| 18:34.35 | dutchfish | Azar, atop |
| 18:34.41 | dutchfish | Azar, ;) |
| 18:34.43 | alper | Response:530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
| 18:34.52 | alper | i guess i need config it first |
| 18:35.01 | Azar | dutchfish: I never tried ntop or atop... went with top or htop |
| 18:35.03 | dutchfish | alper, yeh, you could be right ;) |
| 18:35.18 | alper | -bash: mcedit: command not found |
| 18:35.20 | alper | ow |
| 18:35.24 | sanelson | nope, current d-i definitely doesn't detect my network card... even though i see it in lspci, and it's been detected in the past |
| 18:35.37 | alper | can i open it with vi? |
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| 18:35.46 | sanelson | any suggestions? i don't have a floppy... or a "driver disk" |
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| 18:36.00 | wols | ah, a rube goldberg install :) |
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| 18:36.03 | Azar | sanelson: depends on what kernel version you are installing, and if your card driver version works with the kernel |
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| 18:36.25 | sanelson | well... lenny installer - that's 2.6.19 isn't it? |
| 18:36.50 | dutchfish | Azar, ftptop & iftop are also nice |
| 18:36.51 | Azar | sanelson: you could google to find issues encountered by others and remedy they applied: mycardname on Debian 4.0 |
| 18:37.09 | Azar | dutchfish: hehe you make me install them all and have a fun ride |
| 18:37.34 | dutchfish | Azar, last 1 xentop (only when you have xen) |
| 18:37.43 | Azar | sanelson: lenny is the testing and might that some hardware drivers are not fully implemented/suported? |
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| 18:37.55 | Azar | dutchfish: hehe nice |
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| 18:39.16 | torrr | If I do X forwarding how do I set the local display to what my xserver runs over? |
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| 18:39.38 | alper | n1 thx guys, it worked fine |
| 18:39.39 | KeepW | hi all |
| 18:39.41 | spheard | apt package for dig? |
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| 18:40.05 | Azar | spheard: if your Debian version repository has it: apt-cache search dig |
| 18:40.10 | KeepW | openwebmail.pl' must setuid to root <<<==== can someone helpme with that?? |
| 18:40.44 | stew | KeepW: what is openwebmail.pl? why would it need root privileges? |
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| 18:41.30 | KeepW | stew: its the main script to access a webmail clientes, openwebmail... i updated to php5, and stop working... |
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| 18:41.44 | alper | after installation of vsftpd, dutchfish , whats the exact path to my apache webspace in the net? is it: http://myip/home/myuser ? |
| 18:41.47 | stew | KeepW: why does it need root? |
| 18:41.52 | alper | that doesnt work, therfore i ask |
| 18:41.58 | torrr | because my local display is not localhost:0.0 but localhost:2.0 |
| 18:42.19 | KeepW | stew: never askme for root access before.... |
| 18:42.28 | dutchfish | alper, in debian by default /var/www for Apache |
| 18:42.48 | alper | i mean where can i view my user uploaded files? |
| 18:42.52 | alper | the index of directory |
| 18:42.52 | dutchfish | alper, http://myip/ |
| 18:43.01 | alper | no. that shows apache only |
| 18:43.16 | wols | alper: cause there is a index.* file |
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| 18:43.32 | dutchfish | alper, of coarse it is not related to ftp, you need to READ your manpahes for your ftp server for proper setup |
| 18:43.32 | wols | create a directory under /var/www/ and go there via a browser. it will show the directory index |
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| 18:43.53 | alper | is it in var/www the index. file wols ? |
| 18:44.02 | wols | alper: no |
| 18:44.07 | dutchfish | alper, proftpd has normally /home users dir, this can be altered |
| 18:44.12 | sanelson | Azar: it's just uses e1000 |
| 18:44.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.28 | alper | there are a lot of index files there |
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| 18:44.37 | alper | for lots a languages |
| 18:44.51 | alper | what shall i do now? my ftp user is called grap and is in /home/grap |
| 18:44.53 | KeepW | stew: Openwebmail needs to run as root |
| 18:44.57 | alper | thats the dirc where i uploaded my files to |
| 18:44.58 | stew | KeepW: why? |
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| 18:45.12 | rpc | what was that old, good command to bring reserved blocks for some device to zero? |
| 18:45.17 | stew | KeepW: what does it need to access as root? |
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| 18:45.25 | wols | rpc: tune2fs? |
| 18:45.30 | Azar | sanelson: I am not familiar with "testing" version of Debian, to use it I should know how to research, find and fix ... which I don't. If you are a seasoned "tester" you should know what to do... |
| 18:45.33 | sylvanthis | actually (in vsftpd) the home doesn't matter, it's the directories you declare writable or readable, the home just needs to exist |
| 18:45.34 | rpc | wols oh yes, -r i believe |
| 18:45.35 | KeepW | stew: i dont really know |
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| 18:45.43 | rpc | wols thank you, man time.. |
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| 18:45.54 | stew | KeepW: it sounds very dangerous. why would it need root in php5, but not in php4? |
| 18:46.20 | dutchfish | alper, maybe you want to read this: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/perfect_setup_debian_sarge/ |
| 18:46.22 | Azar | stew: bug in php5, or bad case of security defaults? |
| 18:46.37 | wols | stew: maybe cause php6 fixed one of the many design flaws of php4 which allowed some root access stuff? |
| 18:46.45 | wols | *php5 |
| 18:46.47 | KeepW | stew: i believe its on cgi bin or mod perl the problem, i cant really figure it out |
| 18:46.50 | alper | cant you jsut tell me what to do now? cause im in a hurry. |
| 18:46.58 | Authority | I recently removed a NIC (eth0) from my server and expected the remaining interfaces to be renumbered upon reboot (i.e. eth1 would become eth0), but this didn't happen. Are interface names tied to hardware somehow? |
| 18:46.59 | alper | just need to know what to do exactly now |
| 18:47.15 | stew | Authority: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:47.16 | wols | alper: #debian won't do your work for you |
| 18:47.16 | alper | i unfortunately dont have time reading it, sorry |
| 18:47.18 | KeepW | wols: oh, good |
| 18:47.25 | alper | its not my work |
| 18:47.28 | alper | it was a simple question |
| 18:47.36 | wols | KeepW: that was just speculation. not fact |
| 18:47.44 | wols | it was a _lazy_ question |
| 18:47.53 | Azar | alper: give the work to your IT then, he is paid to read |
| 18:47.53 | alper | what shall i do now? my ftp user is called grap and is in /home/grap. where are my uploaded files? |
| 18:47.56 | rpc | wols i just received 14GBs for nothing... it was worth spending 2 mins in man :) |
| 18:48.02 | Authority | thanks stew |
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| 18:48.20 | smacnay | Does anyone run beagle on a desktop or is it too much resource hogging for what it does? |
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| 18:48.34 | Azar | people who do not have time to read PAY others to do it for them |
| 18:48.42 | smacnay | I think 'find' can do a lot of what beagle does - or am I missing something with 'beagle'? |
| 18:48.48 | sylvanthis | 4 letters |
| 18:48.52 | sylvanthis | R T F M |
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| 18:48.59 | dutchfish | !rtfm |
| 18:48.59 | dpkg | well, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 18:49.05 | rpc | sylvanthis and i thought you meant something else |
| 18:49.20 | Azar | .. that's what I tell my boss: if you don't wanna pay me overtime for the extra work, pay someone else to do it |
| 18:49.22 | sylvanthis | rpc, fuck? :P |
| 18:49.28 | rpc | sylvanthis oh yes :) |
| 18:49.29 | Arcad3 | hi ,i use Debian unstable with Kernel 2.6.20 Update is there a way to go back to 2.6.18? |
| 18:49.34 | smacnay | Except beagle presents the results in a nice layout. |
| 18:49.37 | sylvanthis | rpc, :D |
| 18:49.41 | wols | smacnay: I _think_ beagle is more of an index service. ie find has to search all files by loading them. beagle has a premade index |
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| 18:49.45 | stew | Arcad3: install 2.6.18 from testing |
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| 18:49.49 | wols | also beagle might know fileformats. find does not |
| 18:49.57 | Arcad3 | is not in the repositories |
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| 18:50.04 | smacnay | wols: that is ture. beagle does index files and update the index periodically. |
| 18:50.07 | sylvanthis | oh guys, by the way, ditch limewire for frostwire! its open source :) |
| 18:50.08 | wols | alper: it is in testing (or stable) |
| 18:50.19 | wols | Arcad3: |
| 18:50.20 | jetscreamer | hey the joys of kernel metapackages eh |
| 18:50.20 | alper | what do you mean? |
| 18:50.31 | wols | sry, wrong nick complete |
| 18:50.33 | rpc | is it OK to use tune2fs on reiserfs? |
| 18:50.43 | wols | rpc: just think. carefully |
| 18:50.45 | rpc | or is that ext2/3 only tool? |
| 18:50.49 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 18:50.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'linux-image-2.6.18' (9): linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-686-bigmem ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-vserver-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-vserver-k7 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686. |
| 18:50.52 | rpc | wols right. |
| 18:51.04 | jetscreamer | .18 is still in sources |
| 18:51.20 | Arcad3 | done. thanks |
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| 18:53.36 | rpc | wols getting read of reiserfs as we speak and that's why i need more space first.. |
| 18:53.39 | rpc | rid* |
| 18:54.02 | alper | when i type http://myip it always goes to http://myip/apache2-default. how can i make it go to my user's ftp directory? |
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| 18:54.20 | rpc | i was very drunk probably when making that 200GB reiserfs partition on some drive.. |
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| 18:55.45 | etrask | What's the command to re-configure the x server from the command line? |
| 18:55.46 | MoDaX | alper: edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 18:55.50 | alper | kk thx |
| 18:55.56 | MoDaX | etrask: dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xorg |
| 18:56.03 | etrask | Thank you |
| 18:56.05 | keith80403 | "apt-cdrom add" can populate the /var/lib/apt/lists directory - is there a place to FTP the lists from and populate over the network without shuffling all the CD's ? |
| 18:57.19 | MoDaX | keith80403: just add "deb jttp://mirror.goes.here/debian etch main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and run aptitude update |
| 18:57.29 | jetscreamer | http |
| 18:57.30 | MoDaX | err, jttp=http |
| 18:57.31 | dutchfish | keith80403, why not configure you /etc/apt/sources.list or use a net-install iso? |
| 18:57.50 | jetscreamer | local repository |
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| 18:57.57 | jetscreamer | lan repo |
| 18:58.31 | MoDaX | keith80403: or you want to use apt-proxy |
| 18:58.54 | MoDaX | if i understood you correctly |
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| 19:01.42 | Caelum | is gnome in experimental worth using? |
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| 19:01.48 | itchi | hi, my computer have locked, i'm working over ssh, that still work. But x looks screwed. In top i see that Xorg use 100% of the cpu. If i kill xorg the whole computer wil lock up and a reset press on the magic button is needed :-( |
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| 19:01.55 | sylvanthis | Caelum, gnome is never worth using :P |
| 19:01.59 | Caelum | heh |
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| 19:02.30 | aarkerio | Hi! to install debian on Dell Xeon, need I i386 netiso? |
| 19:02.31 | Caelum | itchi: which video driver? |
| 19:02.35 | sylvanthis | itchi, what does chrl alt backspace do? |
| 19:02.36 | keith80403 | MoDaX, OK I'll check that out. It's a standalone machine. Thanks. |
| 19:02.44 | keith80403 | dutchfish, WIll do thanks. |
| 19:02.55 | Caelum | aarkerio: if it's the EM-64 version, you could use amd64 |
| 19:02.56 | dutchfish | aarkerio, what CPU? |
| 19:03.08 | bamnet | I rebooted my debian box and now it boots to a grub prompt... any ideas?!? |
| 19:03.08 | MoDaX | Caelum: what's so good about gnome in experimental? |
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| 19:03.24 | aarkerio | Dell Power Edge 1950 |
| 19:03.32 | nsumner | Righty, got a new sony dvd which the boot dvd tells me is 'old' and asks for a module on a floppy.... |
| 19:03.44 | Caelum | MoDaX: that's what I was wondering, I noticed that it's there I was trying to figure out if it's newer/better than the one in unstable |
| 19:03.54 | MoDaX | Caelum: unstable has newer version |
| 19:03.54 | dutchfish | aardvarq, xeon? |
| 19:03.55 | itchi | Momment, i need to move to the computer for that |
| 19:04.00 | MoDaX | now |
| 19:04.02 | Caelum | MoDaX: ahh thank you |
| 19:04.04 | dutchfish | aardvarq, nm |
| 19:04.15 | itchi | Caelum: The fglrx |
| 19:04.22 | MoDaX | bamnet: no kernels? |
| 19:04.29 | nsumner | it's ide and the web page says ide drives are supported |
| 19:04.33 | Caelum | itchi: try the xorg radeon driver |
| 19:04.41 | sylvanthis | bamnet menu.lst gone? |
| 19:04.44 | itchi | sylvanthis: It not react |
| 19:04.44 | jetscreamer | bamnet: type help . you want to do root (hd0,0) or so, change it up if needed, then configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst .. after it boots, run grub-install hd0 |
| 19:04.46 | aarkerio | Yes, Xeon dual core |
| 19:04.53 | nsumner | but not this one, any offers? |
| 19:05.01 | Caelum | aarkerio: if it's one of the newer ones, try amd64 |
| 19:05.02 | itchi | Caelum: yup, gona test that. Can i have 3D with it? |
| 19:05.04 | bamnet | ok , let me try that |
| 19:05.08 | Caelum | itchi: absolutely |
| 19:05.26 | sylvanthis | itchi, and did you try kill -9 [xorg pid] ? |
| 19:05.29 | itchi | Caelum: I gona connect another irc client, cause it gona look up completely |
| 19:05.43 | itchi | sylvanthis: Yeah, if i do, the computer look up |
| 19:05.50 | jetscreamer | bamnet: grubshell has good autocomplete, tabkey is your friend |
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| 19:06.20 | itchi_ | I'm here, cause the other goan die |
| 19:06.25 | SR|Ultra | (boo nsumner ) |
| 19:06.31 | jetscreamer | die itchi die |
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| 19:06.54 | bamnet | so i ran root (hd0,0) and then configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:06.55 | jetscreamer | itchi_: /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 19:07.01 | bamnet | it refreshed the grub prompt, now what? |
| 19:07.13 | Nyle | !ping |
| 19:07.13 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:07.15 | itchi_ | jetscreamer: Wait wait, it's not yet looked right now :-) |
| 19:07.15 | MoDaX | itchi_: xorg radeon driver support 2d/3d for cards up to X8xx. X1xxx are not supported |
| 19:07.24 | jetscreamer | well is root (hd0,0) where your linux install is? |
| 19:07.25 | MoDaX | supports* |
| 19:07.27 | bamnet | yea |
| 19:07.36 | itchi_ | MoDaX: I have a RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] |
| 19:08.01 | Caelum | itchi: 9600 works very well |
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| 19:08.16 | jetscreamer | bamnet: does configfile /boot/grub/me<tabkey> work ? |
| 19:08.39 | itchi | hhhm, it have not look up the computer this time |
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| 19:08.54 | bamnet | yea, should i reboot after running that command? |
| 19:08.56 | jetscreamer | can grub see the hd/partition? does root (<tabkey> do anything you don't expect? |
| 19:08.59 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:09.04 | fransman | how do i change my pcmcia ethernet from eth1 to eth0 |
| 19:09.09 | jetscreamer | your linux should boot first |
| 19:09.12 | itchi | And X is up with the radeon driver |
| 19:09.18 | fransman | my dhcp3-server want a eth0 |
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| 19:09.26 | jetscreamer | then you run update-grub |
| 19:09.59 | jetscreamer | bamnet: ok it 'looks' like your menu.lst isn't good |
| 19:10.02 | itchi | So that's a good thing, but now that 3D with that radeon driver. It not yet work 3D |
| 19:10.25 | bamnet | root (<Tab> shows hd0 and fd0, and when I did root (hd0,<tabkey> i get partitions 0 - ext2fs and partition 4 - unknown.. so i think root (hd0,0) was correct |
| 19:10.28 | jetscreamer | bamnet: so instead of configfile , use the kernel and initrd commands to manually specify where |
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| 19:10.54 | sylvanthis | itchi, well, the radeon driver sucks, and fglrx sucks even harder, actually, ati has crappy support for *n?x |
| 19:10.55 | bamnet | jetscreamer: how? |
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| 19:11.04 | jetscreamer | bamnet: do you have a seperate /boot or anything? or is it all one big partition |
| 19:11.15 | MoDaX | fransman: if you really want to rename interfaces, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 19:11.17 | maddash | !luks |
| 19:11.18 | dpkg | somebody said luks was cryptsetup with luks support: "http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/debian/". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian' for more info |
| 19:11.23 | aarkerio | my Dell server Dual-Core Intel Xeon 5000 sequence processors at up to 3.0GHz |
| 19:11.28 | bamnet | jetscreamer: all one partition |
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| 19:11.35 | itchi | sylvanthis: Bah, it's just for some 'basic' 3D, the wife that want to play on the comp |
| 19:11.36 | sylvanthis | itchi, i'd recommend buying a nvidia or stay 2d |
| 19:11.39 | aarkerio | already have SUSE EM64T, SP3 |
| 19:11.53 | MoDaX | fransman: as for the problem, edit /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 19:11.58 | jetscreamer | bamnet: just use those commands ... kernel /boot/vmlinuz-(whatever, use tab key root=/dev/hda1 ro then use the initrd /boot/initrd<tab> |
| 19:12.01 | jetscreamer | then type boot |
| 19:12.03 | aarkerio | the equivalent is Debian amd64 or ia64? |
| 19:12.04 | bamnet | ok |
| 19:12.18 | sylvanthis | itchi, then i'd get myself fglrx, coz if you do want 3d, i don't think the radeon driver is the way to go |
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| 19:12.19 | jetscreamer | after you use the root (hd0,0) |
| 19:12.19 | MoDaX | aarkerio: amd64 |
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| 19:12.57 | bamnet | eek.. kernel /boot/vm<tabkey> file not found.. i don't think thats good? |
| 19:13.06 | jetscreamer | bamnet: type help root, help kernel, help initrd... help help... |
| 19:13.17 | aarkerio | MoDaX, even if Xeon is from intel? I completaly ignorant using Debian on Xeon |
| 19:13.23 | itchi | sylvanthis: fglrx have worked fine, for long time |
| 19:13.27 | jetscreamer | bam: try /boot/<tab |
| 19:13.29 | jetscreamer | > |
| 19:13.34 | MoDaX | aarkerio: oa64 is itanium |
| 19:13.35 | jetscreamer | bamnet: ^^ |
| 19:13.37 | MoDaX | ia64* |
| 19:13.39 | sylvanthis | itchi, great, it never really worked well for me |
| 19:13.46 | aarkerio | MoDaX, thx! |
| 19:13.51 | MoDaX | em64t is renamed amd64 |
| 19:13.54 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 19:14.02 | bamnet | all /boot/ has is grub |
| 19:14.12 | sylvanthis | itchi, well, well maybe it did, except for tty switching to xorg |
| 19:14.20 | jetscreamer | bamnet: so where is your kennel(s) |
| 19:14.26 | jetscreamer | err kernels |
| 19:14.36 | itchi | sylvanthis: A gdm crash? Cause i have that too |
| 19:14.41 | bamnet | if i knew i wouldn't be stuck like this |
| 19:14.52 | jetscreamer | bamnet: try / |
| 19:15.02 | jetscreamer | /vm<tab> |
| 19:15.06 | sylvanthis | itchi, no, when logged in in fluxbox or kde or whatever |
| 19:15.25 | MoDaX | itchi: from my experience, fglrx is a piece of you know what |
| 19:15.28 | itchi | sylvanthis: When switching from tty7 to say tty1 works, but when i want to go back to tty7 it lookup. That problem i have always seen |
| 19:15.34 | sylvanthis | itchi, you couldn't really switch, and shutting down was also a problem..., always caused a hangup |
| 19:15.36 | jetscreamer | bamnet: debian usually keeps vmlinuz-whatever in /boot |
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| 19:15.51 | sylvanthis | itchi, yes that's what i mean |
| 19:15.55 | jetscreamer | bamnet: if they're not there... |
| 19:15.59 | itchi | sylvanthis: I have the same trouble here |
| 19:16.01 | sylvanthis | itchi, so actually, fglrx... sux |
| 19:16.07 | militant | no libdvdcss for etch? or do i need a particular repository or something |
| 19:16.10 | itchi | sylvanthis: Not yet could fix it too |
| 19:16.18 | jetscreamer | !tell militant -about marillat |
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| 19:16.29 | MoDaX | militant: debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:16.31 | sylvanthis | itchi, muah how would you do that? reverse engeneiring? |
| 19:16.37 | militant | ahh yes. |
| 19:16.38 | militant | figures. |
| 19:16.40 | militant | thanks :) |
| 19:16.44 | itchi | sylvanthis: Yeah, gona try with the radeon, gona see. At least if my system not look up, i'm better with radeon for a time then |
| 19:16.51 | MoDaX | militant: it's illegal in some countries though |
| 19:16.54 | itchi | sylvanthis: Black magie |
| 19:16.56 | darkie33 | hi |
| 19:16.58 | militant | MoDaX: i care? :P |
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| 19:17.12 | eyeris | When I try to upgrade libc6 2.5-4 amd64, I get this error trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package gtk-qt-engine. I get dependency errors when I try to remove gtk-qt-engine though. How can I upgrade libc6? |
| 19:17.23 | bamnet | time for a reinstall... |
| 19:17.24 | bamnet | cya! |
| 19:17.24 | MoDaX | militant: I just let you know. that's why debian proper can't ship it |
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| 19:17.29 | militant | yeah |
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| 19:17.34 | sylvanthis | itchi, lol i wish you good luck :P |
| 19:17.34 | militant | i figured |
| 19:17.54 | sylvanthis | itchi, i will never buy ati again |
| 19:17.57 | darkie33 | In my office pc i access the network using office proxy... now my password contains @ symbol. Does this cause problems with the configuration for http proxy? |
| 19:17.59 | MoDaX | eyeris: remove gtk-qt-engine |
| 19:18.08 | MoDaX | eyeris: and reinstall after upgrade |
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| 19:18.13 | itchi | sylvanthis: Thanks! Yeah, i gona look twice, but that one card, i had got of my wife, you know |
| 19:18.31 | eyeris | MoDaX I just said that I can't because of a dependency error. Would you like to see the error? |
| 19:18.43 | jetscreamer | eyeris: the unrecommended way is to dpkg -i --force-whatever /var/cache/apt/archives/whatever.deb |
| 19:18.43 | sylvanthis | itchi, can't really ditch that then :P would seem pretty ungratefull :) |
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| 19:19.00 | jetscreamer | eyeris: could hose your system, might not |
| 19:19.06 | sylvanthis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.06 | MoDaX | eyeris: dpkg -P gtk-qt-engine |
| 19:19.09 | ki11bi11 | if i'm running apache2 on debian, what user is executing my php scripts? ( i've tried www-data) |
| 19:19.11 | itchi | sylvanthis: Yeah, now she know, but i had not yet got to much troubles with ati right now, so i did not complain much |
| 19:19.20 | MoDaX | eyeris: will work |
| 19:19.38 | MoDaX | ki11bi11: yes, www-data |
| 19:19.56 | kramed | has anyone ever gotten a 404 not found error when trying to configure cups at localhost:631? It was working earlier... |
| 19:20.09 | eyeris | MoDaX Awesome. Thanks. I always forget that I can just run dpkg directly vis a vis apt-get |
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| 19:20.20 | darkie33 | can somebody help me? |
| 19:20.31 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 19:20.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:20.43 | darkie33 | jetscreamer: I asked |
| 19:20.46 | sylvanthis | itchi, there is a dutch saying, something like this: don't look a given horse in the mouth (to see if the teeth are rotten and judge the quality) |
| 19:20.53 | darkie33 | In my office pc i access the network using office proxy... now my password contains @ symbol. Does this cause problems with the configuration for http proxy? |
| 19:21.02 | MoDaX | darkie33: where do you configure the proxy server? |
| 19:21.02 | itchi | sylvanthis: heh |
| 19:21.11 | abrotman | darkie33: does it not work ? |
| 19:21.19 | darkie33 | abrotman: no |
| 19:21.31 | wad | My clamav is partially installed. How can I clean it up, and get rid of it? "apt-get remove --purge clamav" claims it isn't installed, yet "apt-get upgrade" wants to do stuff with it. What can I do to fix my system? |
| 19:21.34 | MoDaX | darkie33: so it will work. no problem |
| 19:21.36 | darkie33 | i am using fedora... but yum is so screwed up that i am using apt |
| 19:21.37 | militant | now. i should be able to play it in vlc or something of the sort, from the laptop which is the only machine with dvd drive... and stream it to my desktop, since it has the 24" widescreen monitor. right? |
| 19:21.58 | abrotman | !d-i darkie33 |
| 19:21.58 | dpkg | darkie33, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 19:22.00 | sepski | does anyone have any experience using squirrelmail and the compatibility plugin ? |
| 19:22.06 | darkie33 | MoDaX: How? |
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| 19:22.19 | wad | sepski, I'm using squirrelmail, don't know what this plugin is for.... |
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| 19:22.23 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 19:22.37 | sepski | wad, it's to increase compatibility for other plugins |
| 19:22.50 | MoDaX | darkie33: sorry, no support for fedora. debian is not just apt :) |
| 19:22.54 | nsumner | so no one can help with my dvd? |
| 19:22.56 | wad | sepski, what are you needing to be compatible with? |
| 19:23.01 | DukeDrake | HI! |
| 19:23.18 | sepski | change_sqlpass and courier_vacation in the first plave |
| 19:23.54 | darkie33 | MoDaX: Yes but does that @ symbol confuse withe the proxy server? |
| 19:23.54 | MoDaX | darkie33: but proxy settings in firefox/iceweasel should work np |
| 19:23.54 | DukeDrake | My system is somehow screwed... tty1 is messed up... getty is running as top process... |
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| 19:23.54 | dfa001 | sepski: yes i do |
| 19:23.54 | darkie33 | MoDaX: The proxy settings for everything works... except for yum and apt.. |
| 19:23.56 | DukeDrake | Anyone can help??? |
| 19:23.59 | wad | sepski, ah. I'm not using that stuff at all. Sorry. |
| 19:23.59 | darkie33 | i checked even wget... it too works... |
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| 19:24.21 | SR|Ultra | DukeDrake: what do you mean by "getty is running as top process"? |
| 19:24.33 | MoDaX | darkie33: well, I have no clue about apt-rpm |
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| 19:25.19 | DukeDrake | well. All I can see on the console ist the login prompt scrolling on and on. So I logged in via ssh and am running 'top' |
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| 19:25.35 | DukeDrake | and the process at the top there is 'getty' |
| 19:25.35 | teknotus | I just updated a debian xenU that I installed before etch went stable, and now not only will it not boot, but I can't chroot to it. I get "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied" even though that file exists in the chroot, and I can run it. |
| 19:25.35 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: how did you end up like this? |
| 19:26.00 | darkie33 | for ex i have http://gaun:some@password@someproxy:8080 |
| 19:26.03 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: process with pid 1? |
| 19:26.17 | darkie33 | now if my password is some@password is it a problem? |
| 19:26.22 | doschdn | hi.. can anyone recommend a wireless pci card (802.11g), which works out of the box with debian etch? |
| 19:26.23 | SR|Ultra | DukeDrake: so it's saying "*issue message*" then "login:" then over and over? |
| 19:26.23 | darkie33 | if it is what should i do? |
| 19:26.32 | DukeDrake | MoDaX: aboslutely no clue. I just got home and just saw the prompt flickering on the screen... |
| 19:26.33 | MoDaX | darkie33: it might be a bug in apt |
| 19:26.49 | darkie33 | MoDaX: Yes they said it is a bug in yum... |
| 19:26.51 | doschdn | it should also be possible to use hostap with it |
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| 19:27.03 | darkie33 | MoDaX: Now even in apt... its a real pain... |
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| 19:27.09 | Ahmadinejad | LOL: |
| 19:27.11 | Ahmadinejad | After unpacking 36,1MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 19:27.11 | Ahmadinejad | You are about to do something potentially harmful. |
| 19:27.11 | Ahmadinejad | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 19:27.11 | DukeDrake | SR|Ultra: no, it's jsut the standard debian login prompt, as if someone had his thumb on the 'ENTER' key |
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| 19:27.35 | MoDaX | darkie33: the bug might only be in apt-rpm |
| 19:27.42 | darkie33 | MoDaX:Some one said use % encoding... It did not help though... |
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| 19:28.09 | SR|Ultra | DukeDrake: hmm... are there any entries in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:28.21 | \amethyst | DukeDrake: but the gettys on tty2 etc are working fine? |
| 19:28.26 | sylvanthis | lol again |
| 19:28.36 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: log in with ssh and paste ps aux output to pastebin.ca |
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| 19:29.10 | realniko | what is the best way to do QoS on debian ? |
| 19:29.37 | realniko | i want to limit the httpd traffic for users |
| 19:29.45 | Caelum | MoDaX: did you notice that the current version of iceweasel in sid wants you to remove gnome? |
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| 19:30.04 | DukeDrake | '\amethyst: can't access tty2: no keyboard interaction is recognized (I already unplugged the kb) |
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| 19:30.23 | MoDaX | Caelum: I'm not using gnome. I just saw gnome 2.18 being uploaded to sid :) |
| 19:30.30 | Caelum | ahh |
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| 19:30.48 | DukeDrake | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/458195 |
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| 19:31.09 | MoDaX | Caelum: maybe some transition |
| 19:31.18 | doschdn | does etch support madwifi out of the box? |
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| 19:31.41 | Madsy | That's a good question I'd also like to know. |
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| 19:31.59 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: too short. `ps aux` output |
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| 19:32.14 | Madsy | I almost pulled my hair off while messing with madwifi on Sarge. |
| 19:32.22 | doschdn | :/ |
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| 19:32.41 | doschdn | i need a wireless lan card but i'm not sure which one i should buy |
| 19:32.57 | asdf25 | hi, could someone tell me what program I can use to change X resolution from command-line? |
| 19:33.00 | DukeDrake | MoDaX: what d'you wanna know? |
| 19:33.27 | SR|Ultra | DukeDrake: why, is it a privacy concern, then? |
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| 19:33.34 | kramed | has anyone ever gotten a 404 not found error when trying to configure cups at localhost:631? It was working earlier... |
| 19:33.42 | Madsy | doschdn: D-Link cards in the DWL series are pretty well supported by madwifi. |
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| 19:33.59 | MoDaX | doschdn: the only thing I known is that intel works pretty well (probably with some non-free stuff and firmware) |
| 19:34.16 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: was that `ps aux` output? |
| 19:34.17 | itchi | Heh, i did remotely glxinfo over ssh, that did restart my xdm session on the laptop |
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| 19:35.13 | nox-Hand | Hello |
| 19:35.28 | MoDaX | doschdn: and ralink support is not so good |
| 19:35.40 | doschdn | Madsy yes, but i wonder how hard it will be to set it up in debian :/ |
| 19:35.45 | MoDaX | doschdn: proper drivers are in alpha/beta for a long time |
| 19:35.45 | itchi | Heh, got it again. |
| 19:35.46 | nox-Hand | Is there a way to list all packages I have on my current system? I wish to have them all so I can put together a LONG apt-get install line for a new system I am installing that wants EXACTLY all those apps :) |
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| 19:36.08 | MoDaX | nox-Hand: dpkg --get-selections > file |
| 19:36.12 | Madsy | doschdn: Installing the ATI drivers was a breeze compared to make madwifi work. |
| 19:36.17 | Madsy | In my experience, that is. |
| 19:36.19 | MoDaX | then |
| 19:36.27 | MoDaX | dpkg --set-selections < file |
| 19:36.31 | MoDaX | to restore |
| 19:36.31 | DukeDrake | MoDaX: all other processes are acting normal |
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| 19:36.47 | doschdn | MoDaX as far as i know i need a centrino notebook in order to use intel chipsets, right? :| |
| 19:36.48 | DukeDrake | There are no hints in syslog or messages either -.- |
| 19:36.59 | nox-Hand | MoDaX: Is there a way to do it without the "install" line after each and every package? |
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| 19:37.07 | doschdn | Madsy damn ;) |
| 19:37.09 | Nyle__ | am i still online |
| 19:37.11 | Nyle__ | !ping |
| 19:37.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:37.13 | Nyle__ | ok |
| 19:37.26 | sylvanthis | cool |
| 19:37.27 | sylvanthis | !ping |
| 19:37.27 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:37.30 | sylvanthis | :) |
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| 19:38.02 | MoDaX | nox-Hand: --set-selections will do. when you run apt-get upgrade (or apt-get dselect-upgrade, don't remember), the packages will be installed |
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| 19:38.21 | Madsy | doschdn: Take my word with a pinch of salt though. I'm a novice. |
| 19:38.25 | nox-Hand | MoDaX: THanks =) |
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| 19:39.07 | MoDaX | DukeDrake: reboot doesn't help? :) |
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| 19:39.44 | mutantpineapple | anyone know of a way to install bootsplash without installing busybox? |
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| 19:40.21 | itchi | I not have dri with the radeon driver. In the docs (man radeon) There's noted RV350 Radeon 9600PRO/9600SE/9600, M10/M11, FireGL T2 (2D only) is that 2D only for that FireGL T2 card or the whole range? |
| 19:40.35 | itchi | I have a 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] |
| 19:41.14 | doschdn | Madsy well, i'd like to get one that works without having to install anything from source in order to keep my system clean, so i guess i should look for something else :| |
| 19:41.14 | h3sp4wn | You should have working dri with that (as of xorg 7) |
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| 19:41.29 | h3sp4wn | itchi: did you ever install fglrx ? |
| 19:41.32 | itchi | h3sp4wn: glxinfo say no :-( |
| 19:41.36 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Yes |
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| 19:41.56 | h3sp4wn | itchi: dpkg-divert --list |
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| 19:41.57 | themolester | is there a command for linux that will display physical memory slot usage? |
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| 19:42.06 | itchi | h3sp4wn: But the computer look up with it after some random time now, if i play some 3D games with it |
| 19:42.08 | themolester | like, what size chips are in what slots |
| 19:42.09 | barravince | !italy |
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| 19:42.09 | dpkg | i heard italy is the county where people eat spaghetti and pizza all day. They have a pope, too, I think. |
| 19:42.15 | themolester | and how many slots left |
| 19:42.16 | DukeDrake | MoDaX: well... looks like tehre's no other way. |
| 19:42.19 | Madsy | doschdn: You can make your own packets. |
| 19:42.26 | h3sp4wn | itchi: depending on how you installed it (it may or may not be clean to remove it and fix the diverts) |
| 19:42.26 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I not have that command |
| 19:42.32 | Madsy | They can be removed just like any other packet on your system. |
| 19:42.53 | replman | Hi! Is anyone here who can help me with a sendmail-problem? |
| 19:42.59 | itchi | h3sp4wn: ow, as root it does, sorry ;-) |
| 19:43.12 | doschdn | i tried that once. :D i think i'm too stupid for it |
| 19:43.31 | loesh|home | !anyone |
| 19:43.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:44.10 | itchi | h3sp4wn: That's the output of it http://pastebin.ca/458212 What should i look for and need to do? |
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| 19:44.21 | mark_s | hi,is it risky to use the 'no_subtree_check' option with a nfs server? |
| 19:44.32 | itchi | h3sp4wn: I dunno what that dpkg-divert is for, right now, i'm looking in the man |
| 19:44.42 | doschdn | ok, it doesn't seem to be so hard. here is a good manual: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
| 19:44.49 | h3sp4wn | itchi: look at the last 2 lines (and remove fglrx-driver) |
| 19:44.50 | MoDaX | itchi: aptitude purge fglrx-driver |
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| 19:45.13 | itchi | ok |
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| 19:45.55 | h3sp4wn | modprobe -r fglrx && modprobe radeon (restart and you should have dri) |
| 19:46.03 | Gerat | drwahl: is the Dr. in? |
| 19:46.06 | yosef | Hi, I have question, Can I recieve the hotmail to a program like outlook express? |
| 19:46.13 | itchi | h3sp4wn: X restart? |
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| 19:46.21 | h3sp4wn | itchi: yep |
| 19:46.43 | MoDaX | yosef: does hotmail have pop3 access? |
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| 19:47.33 | itchi | I got there rmdir: /usr/lib/fglrx: Directory not empty |
| 19:47.33 | yosef | MoDaX: no, it doesn't , that is why i'm asking |
| 19:47.37 | itchi | It still purging |
| 19:48.05 | MoDaX | yosef: !info hotway etch |
| 19:48.10 | itchi | Oke, purging done; There are still files in /usr/lib/fglrx/ |
| 19:48.12 | MoDaX | !info hotway etch |
| 19:48.22 | dpkg | hotway: (POP3 to Hotmail (HTTPmail) gateway), section mail, is optional. Version: 1:0.8.4-2.1 (etch), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 19:48.47 | MoDaX | upst, it reverse what you need |
| 19:48.49 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 19:49.24 | itchi | h3sp4wn: The dpkg-divert --list no more shows these 2 there |
| 19:49.52 | MoDaX | !info gotmail etch |
| 19:49.54 | dpkg | gotmail: (utility to download email from a Hotmail or MSN account), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 19:50.20 | MoDaX | yosef: maybe that one. dunno for sure |
| 19:51.08 | itchi | Still no dri, but glxinfo says there Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:51.10 | yosef | MoDaX: sorry, what 'dunno for sure' mean? |
| 19:51.25 | MoDaX | don't know |
| 19:51.42 | MoDaX | for sure :) |
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| 19:52.52 | itchi | I'm googling about the error, dunno what it mean |
| 19:52.59 | h3sp4wn | itchi: /msg dpkg confmiss (run it on libgl1-mesa-dri) |
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| 19:53.02 | MoDaX | itchi: lsmod | grep radeon |
| 19:53.06 | h3sp4wn | or install it if you don't have it |
| 19:53.31 | aarkerio | Hi ! booted the installation netinst CD but I have an intel pro 1000 and the kernel module e1000 is not in the CD |
| 19:53.35 | aarkerio | what can I do? |
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| 19:54.13 | itchi | MoDaX: radeonfb |
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| 19:54.26 | MoDaX | itchi: only? |
| 19:54.26 | aarkerio | the module is in some package? |
| 19:54.35 | itchi | MoDaX: ic2 stuff |
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| 19:55.06 | aarkerio | my ethernet card is IntelPro1000, but the module is no in the NetINST CD |
| 19:55.13 | h3sp4wn | This is what I cannot understand once fglrx has been installed radeon never gets loaded automatically anymore |
| 19:55.13 | itchi | But modprobe radeon give me errors now hhhm |
| 19:55.26 | itchi | That config miss first maybe |
| 19:55.26 | MoDaX | aarkerio: no. it's in default linux-image packages |
| 19:55.28 | h3sp4wn | from cli or from in x |
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| 19:55.33 | itchi | ? |
| 19:55.35 | MoDaX | aarkerio: are you installing etch? |
| 19:55.49 | h3sp4wn | You shouldn't be modprobing radeon if you are in X |
| 19:55.51 | aarkerio | MoDaX, testing, I suppose Lenny |
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| 19:56.07 | _presto_|away | hi all... where can I found bind9 logs? |
| 19:56.08 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Im in x right now |
| 19:56.17 | MoDaX | aarkerio: modprobe e1000 doesn't help? |
| 19:56.28 | MoDaX | itchi: lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 19:56.54 | aarkerio | MoDaX, Module e1000 not found |
| 19:57.06 | MoDaX | aarkerio: uname -r |
| 19:57.08 | aarkerio | I think is not in NetInst CD |
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| 19:57.23 | MoDaX | aarkerio: that's strange |
| 19:57.29 | aarkerio | 2.6.18-4.amd64 |
| 19:57.32 | yosef | how to run the graphic mplayer? |
| 19:57.42 | justin | gmplayer ? |
| 19:57.55 | h3sp4wn | yosef: mplayer -gui |
| 19:57.55 | itchi | Slow heh now please, i'm out of X right now |
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| 19:58.16 | justin | though generally the mplayer gui is completely useless |
| 19:58.58 | minus | /leave and /quit are two thingys.. /leave died. Who is remaining? |
| 19:59.23 | Dave2 | /quit, why? |
| 19:59.28 | jovans | where can i find a deban unstable/sid net install iso? |
| 19:59.36 | MoDaX | aarkerio: weird |
| 19:59.36 | _presto_|away | hi all... where can I found bind9 logs? |
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| 19:59.42 | aarkerio | its weird because in /lib/modules/'uname -r'/kernel/drivers/ |
| 19:59.47 | aarkerio | is not a "net" |
| 19:59.50 | aarkerio | directory |
| 19:59.57 | minus | Dave2, damn! ppl in here are too smart for that question.. |
| 20:00.02 | _presto_|away | jovans: install an stable then change your sources.list |
| 20:00.10 | itchi | MoDaX: Yeah, fglrx is still loaded and used by agpart |
| 20:00.17 | minus | Hm.. got to find a channel with alots of noobs... |
| 20:00.21 | jovans | hm |
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| 20:00.32 | MoDaX | itchi: aptitude purge ~nfglrx.* |
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| 20:01.03 | stoned | justin: ! its a bit useful |
| 20:01.09 | stoned | mplayer gui that is |
| 20:01.10 | itchi | MoDaX: The weird thing is that modprobe -r fglrx says module not found, but lsmod show him |
| 20:01.11 | justin | stoned: for what? |
| 20:01.16 | militant | hmmm what *would* be the best way to stream a video (a dvd in this case) from one box to another on my lan? vlc, or does mplayer have a function, or as someone once suggested, something involving ssh and pipes? |
| 20:01.24 | aarkerio | I will download the first 600 MB CD and try again |
| 20:01.29 | _presto_|away | where can I find bind9 logs? |
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| 20:01.43 | madriss | how do i easily select a new mirror source in etch? |
| 20:01.55 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 20:01.55 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:02.03 | justin | militant: there are ways to stream the dvd directly over the network, but if you have a lot of disk space the easier way is to just dump it to disk and then share it over nfs or something |
| 20:02.15 | madriss | thanks |
| 20:02.27 | justin | !+info vobcopy |
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| 20:02.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:02.30 | yosef | hi |
| 20:02.44 | dpkg | vobcopy: (A tool to copy DvD VOBs to hard disk), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.5.14-2 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 20:02.50 | rpc | are there any chances of resizing a reisfers volume? |
| 20:03.05 | rpc | or will i have to empty it first and just wipe whole partition |
| 20:03.22 | kramed | acronis partition editor can do it |
| 20:03.27 | sylvanthis | rpc, nope no resizing |
| 20:03.29 | itchi | MoDaX: He is still purging all the fglrx stuff |
| 20:03.35 | rpc | kramed will it work for resizing reiserfs? |
| 20:03.41 | rpc | sylvanthis hm. |
| 20:03.42 | jovans | is there an option to set the mirror manual in net install iso |
| 20:03.43 | sylvanthis | kramed, really?? |
| 20:03.55 | militant | justin: i have 23gb available... but i don't have nfs set up. i guess i could just copy it over regularly. it's a fine solution for now, but i wanna do it direct from the dvd at some point, so i don't have to keep making/copying/etc such large files |
| 20:04.14 | kramed | yes, it uses an older version of reiserfs but when you reboot it converts it to version 3 or whatever your current version is |
| 20:04.17 | rpc | i managed to free up 40 gigs out of 200 gigs reiserfs.. i would love to resize reiser now |
| 20:04.27 | kramed | I did it a month ago with hirens boot cd |
| 20:04.29 | justin | militant: vlc/vls may work to do that.. |
| 20:04.35 | itchi | He is not able to modprobe -r fglrx. I think i need to reboot to remove that crap |
| 20:04.40 | rpc | kramed no data corruption? |
| 20:04.49 | justin | militant: I've always just ripped the dvd, either a direct copy, or transcoding it to xvid or such |
| 20:04.50 | kramed | worked fine |
| 20:05.00 | rpc | kramed thank you, nice hint |
| 20:05.02 | militant | justin: i've tried it before, vlc/vls but i didn't put too much effort in, i was in a bit of a hurry. i'll tinker. thanks for the help :) |
| 20:05.20 | itchi | I reboot, brb |
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| 20:07.59 | sohmestra | I was going to fiddle with open-iscsi, but installation of the package failed saying that it could not connect to the iscsi daemon. might the open-iscsi package be missing dependancies? |
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| 20:10.07 | madriss | apt-get keeps saying couldn't stat source package list :( |
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| 20:10.14 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 20:10.42 | itchi | MoDaX: Okay, fglrx is no more loaded now and radeon is been loaded, but still no dri |
| 20:10.49 | MoDaX | aarkerio: it's in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6/nic-extra-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64-di_1.21_amd64.udeb |
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| 20:11.08 | itchi | glrxinfo says direct rendering: No |
| 20:11.12 | aarkerio | MoDaX, thx! |
| 20:11.13 | posterdati | hi |
| 20:11.34 | posterdati | please does anyone know if there's a channel for oolite game? |
| 20:12.01 | aarkerio | MoDaX, why .udeb? |
| 20:12.16 | MoDaX | aarkerio: that's installer deb |
| 20:12.29 | militant | heh, 7802mb dvd rip |
| 20:12.32 | aarkerio | ok |
| 20:12.36 | MoDaX | I don't know how to install it |
| 20:12.38 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 20:13.37 | MoDaX | itchi: upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 20:14.02 | itchi | MoDaX: Ok |
| 20:14.53 | MoDaX | aarkerio: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/alpha/apds04.html.en |
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| 20:15.20 | itchi | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/458282 |
| 20:16.43 | MoDaX | itchi: server side is ok |
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| 20:17.08 | MoDaX | itchi: now ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 20:17.35 | itchi | MoDaX: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 425832 2007-02-23 01:38 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 20:18.02 | MoDaX | itchi: ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so* |
| 20:18.36 | itchi | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/458288 |
| 20:18.55 | MoDaX | itchi: looks good |
| 20:19.08 | itchi | MoDaX: I dunno :-) |
| 20:19.29 | MoDaX | itchi: paste full glxinfo |
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| 20:19.42 | Ahmadinejad | http://pastebin.ca/458285 |
| 20:19.46 | Ahmadinejad | What can i do? |
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| 20:20.21 | kramed | what is dirmngr, can I disable it? |
| 20:20.21 | itchi | MoDaX: Heh, wait |
| 20:20.36 | sohmestra | how much CPU power does one need to fully utilize a 1GB connection (file serving)? |
| 20:20.50 | itchi | MoDaX: I got direct rendering: Yes now wtf, i just restarted x a 3 time now |
| 20:21.23 | MoDaX | itchi: glxgears -printfps |
| 20:21.24 | itchi | MoDaX: I did nothings specials right now, weird |
| 20:21.27 | madriss | hmm i cant apt-get anything... any ideas? i just get W: Couldn't stat source packafge list http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 20:21.36 | sohmestra | I heard at one point that a 500 Mhz PII can saturate a 100Mbit connection, does that mean that a 5 Ghz processer (roughly) is needed to saturate a 1Gb link? |
| 20:21.56 | xand | sohmestra: no, what kind of logic is that? |
| 20:22.00 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: the package is not binNMU safe. probably wait. grave bug |
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| 20:22.10 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 20:22.26 | itchi | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/458301 |
| 20:22.28 | JosefAssad | quick question; does etch use libata like ubuntu 7.04? |
| 20:22.37 | sohmestra | xand: 1000 = 100 * 100; 5000=100*500 |
| 20:22.48 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419835 |
| 20:23.07 | sohmestra | xand: a rough estimation, to be sure |
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| 20:23.17 | itchi | MoDaX: Anyway, many thanks for the support |
| 20:23.22 | itchi | And the other ones too |
| 20:23.31 | Ahmadinejad | i use sid |
| 20:23.32 | xand | sohmestra: maybe if 500MHz is the minimum for 100Mbps... anyway it depends on a lot more than CPU speed |
| 20:23.38 | Ahmadinejad | i changed it from etch to sid |
| 20:23.46 | MoDaX | itchi: probably it's good enough for your card |
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| 20:24.08 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: yes, sid breaks. that's one of the cases :) |
| 20:24.14 | sohmestra | xand: understood. it's all very rough and imprecise, of course. I'm looking for a rough estimate, or verification of my rough estimate |
| 20:24.19 | itchi | MoDaX: Is that result 'fast'? Bah, it's just for some 'basic' 3D games for my wife |
| 20:24.22 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: just wait until the bug is fixed |
| 20:24.26 | Ahmadinejad | hmm |
| 20:24.34 | Ahmadinejad | What if i change back to etch? |
| 20:24.40 | Ahmadinejad | Can i download it then? |
| 20:24.47 | sohmestra | xand: there aren't any disks that I know of that to 128MB/sec (1Gbs) |
| 20:25.06 | xand | sohmestra: SATA II does (theoretically) 3Gbps |
| 20:25.14 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: you can download and install the package manually, but I believe it was binNMU'ed for a reason (transition) |
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| 20:25.41 | sohmestra | xand: the bus supports that, but no disks do. |
| 20:25.58 | xand | sohmestra: you can have more than one disk |
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| 20:26.10 | sohmestra | xand: and one sata channel per disk, right? |
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| 20:26.23 | MoDaX | Ahmadinejad: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pgadmin3 |
| 20:26.45 | xand | sohmestra: but more than one sata channel per network card :P |
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| 20:26.53 | MoDaX | download and `dpkg -i` -2 version |
| 20:26.53 | sohmestra | xand: anyway, I was just curious if anyone had any experience that would indicate what type of mahcine is ncessary |
| 20:27.03 | sohmestra | xand: ah. true ;o) |
| 20:27.29 | xand | you probably won't get 1Gbps out of a gigabit network connection anyway |
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| 20:28.11 | MoDaX | itchi: not so fast. my laptop with X700 does ~2000 |
| 20:28.17 | sohmestra | xand: I'm trying to dream up a cheap SAN |
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| 20:30.22 | numist | is there a way to look at historical logs for debian's popularity contest? |
| 20:30.56 | itchi | MoDaX: On my new laptop with a Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller it is only 1169.619 FPS |
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| 20:31.38 | itchi | MoDaX: But i have always find my old ATI 9600SE card faster as this intel on linux. In windows this Intel card is amazing |
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| 20:32.55 | MoDaX | itchi: yeah, X700 is supposed to be better. it does 3000 with fglrx but I don't care about extra 1000 but with that craphish and unstable fglrx driver |
| 20:33.30 | MoDaX | itchi: intel provides opensource drivers for video cards |
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| 20:33.40 | MoDaX | itchi: unlike ati and nvidia |
| 20:34.08 | MoDaX | itchi: which opensource drivers are reverse enginneered and not so fast |
| 20:34.30 | kth` | Probably because intel has nothing others are interested in "stealing" in their driver code? :P |
| 20:34.54 | MoDaX | however, nvidia does a much better job with its closed-source driver than ati/amd |
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| 20:36.19 | itchi | MoDaX: Yeah, very slow |
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| 20:37.17 | MoDaX | itchi: 3d is slow on that ati? |
| 20:37.23 | itchi | MoDaX: There are much features that not yet work right with my card to. But i'm to less experieced in that domain. But it see it when i play FGFS on win32 vs Debian |
| 20:37.32 | itchi | MoDaX: Not that ati, the Intel |
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| 20:38.14 | itchi | MoDaX: That ati goes right, at least with the fglrx drivers. With this radeon, i dunno, not yet played a game haha |
| 20:38.27 | MoDaX | itchi: weird, intel drivers should be same on windows and X |
| 20:38.35 | MoDaX | performance-wise |
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| 20:39.10 | itchi | MoDaX: Realy not, this looks a 'crap' card here under GNU/Linux. And this card is realy realy amazing in win32 :-( |
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| 20:39.33 | kramed | are there rss feeds for released packages in testing and sid? |
| 20:39.45 | itchi | MoDaX: But maybe, and i hope that the devs still work to get the opensource drivers better :-) |
| 20:39.53 | MoDaX | kramed: only mailing list |
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| 20:40.00 | MoDaX | I think |
| 20:40.14 | MoDaX | itchi: yes, they do |
| 20:40.32 | kramed | MoDaX: batch email of all the updates each day? |
| 20:41.54 | lhadji | I hope this 9800XT will work well. |
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| 20:41.55 | MoDaX | kramed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2007/04/threads.html |
| 20:41.55 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me any must have apps for etch on a Pentium 133? |
| 20:41.55 | Coweater | could someone shed some light on why gdm insists on dying when i change my network config and ifup/down my card? |
| 20:41.55 | dclarke | I moved a hard disk from one machine to another with identical hardware but the ethernet ports have stranges numbers when the new machine boots. It now lists eth0 and eth1 as being unused and eth2 and eth3 as being valid with ip addresses. I think this is because of the new mac addresses. How can I fix the device entries ? |
| 20:42.06 | Coweater | or maybe it's not dying, but it's killing my X session |
| 20:42.34 | stew | dclarke: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 20:42.53 | dclarke | wow |
| 20:42.59 | dclarke | let me look there |
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| 20:43.38 | dclarke | # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8167 (r8169) |
| 20:43.38 | dclarke | SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:18:b0:2a:3c", NAME="eth0" |
| 20:43.45 | dclarke | ah ha |
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| 20:43.52 | MoDaX | Coweater: does it drop you back to console? |
| 20:44.25 | MoDaX | or does X restart or something else |
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| 20:45.01 | Coweater | it restarts |
| 20:45.29 | MoDaX | Coweater: so gdm is fine then. it's the one restarting X |
| 20:45.41 | militant | justin: vobcopy is working great. it'll be a fine solution for now. just gotta fetch it to the main box and i'm good. thanks man |
| 20:46.18 | dclarke | stew : thank you .. I modified that file .. I need to reboot now ? |
| 20:46.32 | MoDaX | Coweater: you're using gnome,aren't you? |
| 20:46.37 | dclarke | stew : or .. maybe there is a script to run that makes the device nodes correct |
| 20:46.47 | Coweater | MoDaX: no, xfce |
| 20:46.50 | MoDaX | dclarke: reboot |
| 20:47.00 | stew | dclarke: if you want to rename them by hand now: ip link set name newname dev oldname |
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| 20:47.21 | justin | militant: may also want to look at ripmake |
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| 20:47.43 | Coweater | MoDaX: the only error i'm finding is in syslog "localhost gdm[21608]: Error reinitilizing server" |
| 20:47.44 | dclarke | stew : that results in a symbolic link ? |
| 20:47.47 | justin | militant: since I believe it sets up differnt targets for rip and transcode, so you can rip it, and if it is good, easily transcode it |
| 20:47.57 | militant | oh jeez. it's 4 .vobs. ok. |
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| 20:48.02 | militant | thought it was just one massive. |
| 20:48.21 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me any must have apps for etch on a Pentium 133? btw, i have 70mb ram, i'm running x with icewm, iceweasel and xchat |
| 20:48.43 | gnudo | iceweasel is a bit slow though |
| 20:48.45 | cwheeler | you have a pentium 133 that still boots? |
| 20:48.53 | gnudo | yes |
| 20:49.07 | stew | dclarke: no, it renames a network interface |
| 20:49.12 | cwheeler | wow so do i, makes a good firewall |
| 20:49.18 | militant | hell, iceweasel is sluggish sometimes on my k7 1.3ghz with a gig of ram |
| 20:49.19 | militant | :/ |
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| 20:49.30 | cwheeler | but i don't try to run X or anything on it |
| 20:49.42 | junix | is there an issue with jigdo in debian stable 4.0?? i can't get it to download all the files from ftp.de.debian.org |
| 20:49.54 | HostilePenguin | to bad konqueror is less buggy |
| 20:49.54 | MoDaX | gnudo: it depends on your needs, but most "modern" apps will run slowly if at all |
| 20:50.04 | irule | I need termcap, but according to this at 3.8 http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-compat.en.html at 3.8 there is no such thing, I need termcap-compat and terminfo but none are available to me, this is my sources.list, that am I missing? thanks http://pastebin.ca/458345 |
| 20:50.05 | gnudo | cwheeler: my P133 laptop is not a firewall but a light desktop |
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| 20:51.31 | gnudo | cwheeler: x runs (with icewm)fine but i would not dare run kde nor gnome |
| 20:51.37 | HostilePenguin | when will we be getting a new gnome version? |
| 20:51.41 | militant | gnudo: on an old box like that i'd probably stick an older slackware on it and run bare minimal stuff. |
| 20:51.51 | MoDaX | Coweater: something in the xfce core depends on the network interface |
| 20:52.56 | dclarke | ip link set name eth0 dev eth2 results in "device or resource busy" |
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| 20:52.58 | dclarke | stew : ip link set name eth0 dev eth2 results in "device or resource busy" |
| 20:52.58 | gnudo | militant: i do not like slackware |
| 20:52.58 | MoDaX | dclarke: just reboot |
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| 20:52.58 | stew | dclarke: do you already have an eth0? |
| 20:52.58 | dimgr | hi how do you see which process is assigned to what cpu in a smp system? |
| 20:52.58 | dclarke | yes |
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| 20:52.59 | MoDaX | dclarke: you need to reboot anyway to test if the changes you made are ok |
| 20:52.59 | dclarke | I have four ports listed from ipconfig -a |
| 20:53.00 | stew | dclarke: that's why |
| 20:53.04 | gnudo | <MoDaX>: i am after console apps you guys can recommend for my P133 laptop |
| 20:53.07 | dclarke | but they do not exist .. they do not all exist |
| 20:53.16 | dclarke | only eth2 and eth3 are real |
| 20:53.20 | militant | gnudo: there are other distros with old versions that would be lighter/faster on such an old machine. but, it's just an idea. |
| 20:53.31 | cwheeler | gnudo I ran Linux and X on a 16meg 486 when i started |
| 20:53.38 | irule | "Package has a Suggests on termcap-compat which is in Section oldlibs on i386" how can I add oldlibs sources to my etch? |
| 20:53.39 | DimGR_lap | maybe stew knows the answer to my Q ;) |
| 20:53.44 | irule | do I make sense? lol |
| 20:54.43 | gnudo | cwheeler: i run x right now april 25th 2007 but my machine is more powerful than a 486 |
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| 20:54.56 | junix | is there an issue with jigdo in debian stable 4.0?? i can't get it to download all the files from ftp.de.debian.org |
| 20:55.05 | simonrvn | irule: they're already included... |
| 20:55.16 | MoDaX | junix: try other mirror |
| 20:55.20 | junix | k |
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| 20:56.12 | irule | simonrvn the software I am compiling says otherwise |
| 20:56.46 | MoDaX | !info termcap-compat etch |
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| 20:56.59 | simonrvn | so? |
| 20:57.05 | dclarke | machine ... reboots and now the ip addresses are fine and the eth0 and eth1 look correct but resolv.conf is empty .. it can not do name resolution |
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| 20:57.40 | dclarke | I will edit /etc/resolv.conf manually |
| 20:57.48 | MoDaX | !info termcap-compat sarge |
| 20:57.57 | dpkg | termcap-compat: (Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.), section oldlibs, is extra. Version: 1.2.3 (sarge), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 651 kB |
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| 20:58.25 | MoDaX | irule: it's available in sarge only |
| 20:58.39 | bonez39 | what determines where a print job will go, if two printers are available to linux? I have one local attached, but it's NOT the default, and a laser networked IS the default, or was, before changing one value in /etc/cups/ppd/myprinters.ppd ?? |
| 20:58.48 | dclarke | after manually editing resolv.conf I can now do apt-get update |
| 20:58.48 | irule | thanks |
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| 20:59.10 | MoDaX | bonez39: the one you choose while printing |
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| 20:59.17 | MoDaX | or default |
| 20:59.25 | MoDaX | bonez39: http://localhost:631/ |
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| 20:59.43 | DimGR_lap | hi how do you see which process is assigned to what cpu in a smp system? |
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| 21:00.01 | irule | I guess Ill compile from source :s |
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| 21:00.25 | bonez39 | MoDaX, here's the thing..I just printed some things, documents...and i print using enscirpt printfilename and it just prints, normally to the laser...but after making one alteration to that printer's ppd file, now all jobs, unless specifically directed, print to the deskjet instead |
| 21:00.48 | cat | hey how can i make Linux Touchscreen i was looking at some videos and i saw it. |
| 21:00.52 | bonez39 | MoDaX, localhost:631 HAS the default printer set... to the laser, but print jobs go instead to the deskjet |
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| 21:00.53 | cat | do you need special monitor for that? |
| 21:01.02 | militant | justin: wow that's amazing. first time i've watched a 16:9 dvd on this 24" 16:9 monitor... stunning |
| 21:01.08 | junix | MoDaX: still isn't working |
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| 21:01.47 | MoDaX | cat: touchscreen is a special device |
| 21:01.50 | drwahl | i installed a program from source, and now i want to uninstall it. should "make uninstall" remove everything? |
| 21:02.00 | MoDaX | simply monitor is not enough |
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| 21:02.04 | MoDaX | simple* |
| 21:02.14 | MoDaX | drwahl: probably |
| 21:02.31 | MoDaX | junix: what's the error? |
| 21:02.35 | cat | MoDaX: how can i enable it? |
| 21:02.45 | cat | so i can make it touchscreen |
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| 21:02.47 | Azar | touch screen monitors require a special software and it is usually ms-windows based |
| 21:03.03 | MoDaX | cat: you must buy touchscreen |
| 21:03.09 | MoDaX | first of all |
| 21:03.13 | cat | right |
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| 21:03.36 | Azar | so I doubt there is a free software package for a touchscreen out yet |
| 21:04.25 | MoDaX | azar: some tablets work pretty well |
| 21:04.25 | cat | how do i know if my monitor supports touchscreen |
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| 21:04.25 | TCW | hi folks |
| 21:04.26 | h3sp4wn | there is quite a few drivers in the kernel for touchscreens |
| 21:04.30 | Azar | MoDaX: depends what he finds to buy, you know that 80% of hardware in the commerce are ms-win based |
| 21:05.14 | sanelson | i'm trying to make caps => ctrl; but setxkbmap -option "ctrl:swapcaps" simply returns: Error loading new keyboard description; I did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and specified the option in that section; it appears in the xorg.conf, but caps still works as a caps lock key. |
| 21:05.14 | h3sp4wn | (I know because I don't build them) |
| 21:05.14 | sanelson | Anyone got this working? |
| 21:05.15 | TCW | anyone an idea how to "configure" gnome-pwer-manager to start a script for suspend? |
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| 21:05.17 | Azar | h3sp4wn: how about the user interface? |
| 21:05.17 | MoDaX | cat: have a look at the manual? |
| 21:06.11 | Azar | most touchscreen are built or custom built for commercial use |
| 21:06.26 | analfabeta | i'm doing a debian package and need add files to configuration, each one need put in /etc, i add all files in conffiles, but dpkg-buildpackage give me a error: dpkg-deb: conffile `/etc/think.conf' does not appear in package. what i do wrong? i have: debian-thin-0.1/debian and debian/thin-0.1/etc directories |
| 21:06.36 | h3sp4wn | Dunno I guess they just act as a generic input device |
| 21:06.57 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:07.39 | drwahl | i tried installing wine from source, but it didnt go so well, so i did "make uninstall" and then "apt-get install wine" now when i try to run wine it says "bash: /usr/local/bin/wine: No such file or directory". |
| 21:07.47 | MoDaX | analfabeta: add /etc/think.conf to one of *.install files |
| 21:08.12 | Aleksey2 | I made a mirror of hdd with debian on it and upon booting i can get to GRUB and start booting but once it starts detecting IDE drivers there is 'kernel panic, attempt to kill init'... how do i fix this? |
| 21:08.13 | MoDaX | drwahl: restart shell |
| 21:08.20 | analfabeta | MoDaX: *.install files? |
| 21:08.22 | simonrvn | hash -r maybe... |
| 21:08.47 | drwahl | MoDaX: thank you |
| 21:09.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a quick way to batch-convert a bunch of wav files to mp3? |
| 21:09.04 | Aleksey2 | ot says |
| 21:09.07 | h3sp4wn | Azar: aptitude search xserver-xorg-input (quite a few of those are touchscreen drivers) |
| 21:09.07 | Aleksey2 | dev/cosnole no such fiel |
| 21:09.39 | MoDaX | analfabeta: yes. if you don't known what they are, read new maintainer's guide |
| 21:09.42 | Azar | h3sp4wn: my question is: just having the driver installed would be enough? |
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| 21:10.02 | analfabeta | MoDaX: but it's a virtual package... |
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| 21:10.13 | analfabeta | MoDaX: is a same way? |
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| 21:11.04 | MoDaX | analfabeta: virtual? virtual packages are "created" with Provides: |
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| 21:11.23 | analfabeta | MoDaX: i want a package to install other packages, undestand? |
| 21:11.49 | MoDaX | analfabeta: you mean metapackage? |
| 21:12.06 | analfabeta | MoDaX: yes! |
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| 21:12.09 | analfabeta | =D |
| 21:12.12 | rpc | anyone willing to tell me what's going on? |
| 21:12.12 | rpc | sda 472.28 56851.49 0.00 57420 0 |
| 21:12.13 | rpc | sdb 100.00 150.50 37627.72 152 38004 |
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| 21:12.22 | rpc | moving files from ext3 to reiserfs... |
| 21:12.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a quick way to batch-convert a bunch of wav files to mp3? |
| 21:12.26 | Zoo- | anyone here , have any experience with configuring Sound Blaster Audigy SE? I wish I never would of bought the card, if I would of known how much support it would of lacked.. |
| 21:12.45 | rpc | why is ext3 exhausting the drive so badly? (sda) |
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| 21:13.12 | MoDaX | analfabeta: metapackages should not ship conffiles |
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| 21:13.33 | analfabeta | MoDaX: but i need change many .conf files |
| 21:13.38 | wad | What proxy server software do most people consider to be the best, for my debian server to host? |
| 21:13.40 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: for a in *.wav ; do lame $a ${a%.wav}.mp3 ; done |
| 21:13.47 | Zoo- | and btw.. I configured.. beryl + AIGLX really nice on my workstation, with just only nvidia ge force fx 5200, for now.. I did a full screen in vlc, and spinned the cube, and hee, no drop in performance :D |
| 21:13.51 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: assuming there are no spaces in the filenames |
| 21:13.52 | dutchfish | can someone help me out with this error on boot: localhost kernel: drivers/usb/input/yealink.c: invalid payload size 64, expected 16 (when i have my usb VOIP phone plugged in) |
| 21:13.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, thanks, stew :D |
| 21:13.56 | xand | wad: squid |
| 21:13.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh... |
| 21:14.00 | wad | xand, thanks! |
| 21:14.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are |
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| 21:14.04 | Zoo- | :) |
| 21:14.19 | MoDaX | analfabeta: add those conf files to debian/install file. debhelper will take care of marking them as conffiles |
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| 21:14.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: There are spaces |
| 21:14.30 | grendal_prime | hey when this box boots up it says lenny/sid does that mean the disk i have is sid?? |
| 21:14.38 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: use find |
| 21:14.43 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: find -name "*.wav" | while read $a ; do lame "$a" "${a.wav}.mp3}" ; done |
| 21:14.44 | grendal_prime | because i could have swore it was an etch disk |
| 21:14.47 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, no, prolly lenny |
| 21:14.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
| 21:14.54 | Zoo- | grendal, you can type.. cat /proc/version |
| 21:14.55 | MoDaX | grendal_prime: etch is stable now |
| 21:14.57 | Zoo- | and be able to know :) |
| 21:14.59 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: wait |
| 21:15.03 | bonez39 | MoDaX, any other ideas? I'll run enscript , and it says...sent x pages to 'printer'... while if I specify with -P sethlaser it will say sent to sethlaser....what determines whether 'printer' is sethlaser as it should be..or the other alternate printer? |
| 21:15.07 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: "while read a" not "while read $a" |
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| 21:15.12 | analfabeta | MoDaX: and where i need put that files? |
| 21:15.13 | xand | I'd use -exec |
| 21:15.18 | h3sp4wn | Azar: Not sure - I would think so (probably work similar to a synaptics touchpad) |
| 21:15.34 | grendal_prime | ya, i used the same disk i used to install all my etch systems...the sourcelist also lists repo dir as etch..why would it be lenny? |
| 21:15.37 | MoDaX | bonez39: sorry, no clue |
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| 21:15.42 | bonez39 | MoDaX, thanks anyway |
| 21:15.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | bash: ${a.wav}.mp3}: bad substitution |
| 21:15.53 | dutchfish | or where can i find more info on yealink? what is it? |
| 21:16.07 | Zoo- | and its so worth getting a Logitech Lx7, wireless with usb radio transmitter.. :-) |
| 21:16.23 | grendal_prime | what the hell is lenny anyway?? |
| 21:16.26 | Zoo- | I dealt with synaptics touchpad for a while, however... wireless more fun :) |
| 21:16.30 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 21:16.30 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 21:16.31 | xand | grendal_prime: testing |
| 21:16.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | grendal_prime: Etch's successor |
| 21:17.05 | grendal_prime | grrr i thought that was supposed to be sid..ok so basically the disk i have is testing |
| 21:17.06 | MoDaX | analfabeta: read new maintainer's guide and join #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org for such kind of questions. |
| 21:17.20 | grendal_prime | i installed it and it netupded to lenny...fk |
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| 21:17.21 | xand | grendal_prime: sid will always be unstable |
| 21:17.34 | grendal_prime | oooo |
| 21:17.39 | grendal_prime | didnt realize that |
| 21:17.49 | parsek | I have installed flashplugin-nonfree on iceweasel but is there another plugin for shockwave player? at adobe's website it fails shockwave player test |
| 21:17.51 | dutchfish | testing will always be ... ugh ugh testing |
| 21:18.13 | Zoo- | grendal_prime: |
| 21:18.24 | grendal_prime | ya but..i mean i thought the names moved whith them all the time.. |
| 21:18.25 | Zoo- | they are right, sid will always be the higest of unstable |
| 21:18.28 | \amethyst | parsek: AFAIK shockwave player plugin isn't available for Linux |
| 21:18.39 | Zoo- | where people are willing to live on the edge :D |
| 21:18.44 | grendal_prime | ok well that explains why something else is not working now... |
| 21:18.49 | dutchfish | thats why i use names like etch, lenny, sid in my sources.list |
| 21:18.51 | grendal_prime | shit need to build a new box... |
| 21:18.56 | parsek | \amethyst: ok, that might be it |
| 21:19.03 | grendal_prime | current stable is 4.0.0 right? |
| 21:19.04 | Zoo- | however.. etch works better than vista , and I can say that as an IT Professional :-) |
| 21:19.15 | wad | "hostname --fqdn" returns "localhost". I'd like to make it return the right thing. What file do I edit? It doesn't seem to be /etc/hostname .... ? |
| 21:19.15 | MoDaX | grendal_prime: get a proper etch (aka stable) 4.0r0 cd |
| 21:19.17 | grendal_prime | ya zoo no kidding |
| 21:19.20 | Azar | h3sp4wn: it can be more than a touchpad thingy, a touchscreen might work while on X, might not work in terminal mode, sometimes it might start responding (pointer frozen).. I would somehow imagine that a special package that watches it might be needed |
| 21:19.27 | grendal_prime | trying MoDaX |
| 21:19.27 | Zoo- | parsek, you can use Codeweavers Crossover 6 and get the job done with shockwave etc and others |
| 21:19.35 | dclarke | Zoo-, I'll second that |
| 21:19.43 | Zoo- | I menipulate professionl |
| 21:19.47 | dclarke | Zoo-, er .. third that I mean |
| 21:19.57 | Zoo- | professionaL* and been working with codeweavers built on wine, technology since ver 2 |
| 21:20.06 | Zoo- | yopp :) |
| 21:20.23 | grendal_prime | An error occurred while loading http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/: |
| 21:20.23 | grendal_prime | Timeout on server |
| 21:20.24 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.28 | dli | etch is pretty stable for me. didn't have problem during upgrading |
| 21:20.41 | grendal_prime | ive been running etch for a year now |
| 21:20.43 | Zoo- | I just need to hack sound blaster audigy SE, and I"m going to customize a kick arse workstation anyways in a few :) |
| 21:20.43 | Azar | grendal_prime: scroll down and indulge : http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 21:20.48 | grendal_prime | sarge before that |
| 21:20.51 | Zoo- | same |
| 21:20.52 | parsek | Zoo-: I was just checking plugins for the browser, I don't need it actually |
| 21:20.53 | Zoo- | :) |
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| 21:21.17 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.18 | MoDaX | grendal_prime: omit ":" at the end |
| 21:21.22 | dli | grendal_prime: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/ |
| 21:21.48 | Zoo- | can you imagine debian by the year 2010 :D |
| 21:21.59 | Zoo- | we might just hit the matrix tip ;P |
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| 21:22.09 | dli | Zoo-: lenny released |
| 21:22.13 | Zoo- | I can see it now... debian "matrix" build :P |
| 21:22.39 | Zoo- | its sad software vendors won't write for open source eh |
| 21:22.43 | Zoo- | -_- |
| 21:22.50 | Azar | ? |
| 21:22.51 | MoDaX | wad: /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 21:22.55 | Azar | say that again? |
| 21:23.00 | wad | MoDaX, thanks! |
| 21:23.00 | Amarande | hmm, okay, is this normal behavior, or is there something wrong with Debian, or is my BIOS misconfigured? |
| 21:23.06 | Zoo- | be nice of TEchSmith would, I"m going to ask that guy if he will, and maybe offer him a deal :) |
| 21:23.14 | Amarande | It says my AMD 4200+ X2 only runs at 1 GHz |
| 21:23.54 | grendal_prime | zoo cant find the netinstall..but i can get away with just the fist install of the set right? |
| 21:23.54 | Azar | Zoo-: they don't write, they sell: >> vendors |
| 21:23.54 | dli | Amarande: it's powersave mode |
| 21:23.55 | zinx | Amarande: you probably have powernow enabled |
| 21:23.55 | grendal_prime | then aptget what i want after base install |
| 21:23.55 | Amarande | I thought it ran at 2.2 GHz, like the 3500+ single core |
| 21:23.55 | Zoo- | just 1 binary cd or dvd yes correct |
| 21:23.55 | Amarande | hmm, where does powernow get enabled? |
| 21:23.55 | zinx | Amarande: it does, when it's busy. when it's not, it runs at 1GHz |
| 21:23.55 | Amarande | ahh, probably part of the cool'n'quiet thing, then |
| 21:23.56 | Zoo- | it will get security and updates from the mirrors |
| 21:23.59 | zinx | Amarande: yes |
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| 21:24.09 | zinx | Amarande: when it gets busy it'll switch up to 2.2GHz |
| 21:24.12 | Zoo- | hee Azar,I just need to figure the code out :) |
| 21:24.12 | dli | Amarande: do you have cpufrequtils ? |
| 21:24.16 | abrotman | route del |
| 21:24.24 | Azar | grendal_prime: apt-get or aptitude install what you want "from the archive pertaining to your Debian distro" |
| 21:24.33 | Zoo- | can you imagine, TechSmith Camtasia Studio for linux :P |
| 21:24.44 | Zoo- | or even for the BSD variants as well, hee that would be sweet :) |
| 21:25.02 | Zoo- | I got it working with Codeweavers Crossover 6, but hee... the fact is.. directX support lacks in codeweavers and wine |
| 21:25.07 | MoDaX | wad: the it works is that hostname is resolved to ip and then ip is resolved back to symbolic address (reverse dns). that reverse dns symbolic address is shown by hostname --fqdn |
| 21:25.13 | Zoo- | I got my Axialis Screensaver Producer working though :D |
| 21:25.13 | MoDaX | the way* |
| 21:25.18 | Zoo- | so hee hee ;-) |
| 21:25.21 | wad | MoDaX: ah! |
| 21:25.23 | Amarande | hmm, I'm not sure how to quickly see if a particular app is installed |
| 21:25.28 | dclarke | ?? utilities to deal with the cpufreq Linux kernel feature ?? |
| 21:25.28 | Azar | Zoo-: you are talking about proprietary software that Debian does not support |
| 21:25.32 | dclarke | what the heck is that ? |
| 21:25.37 | Zoo- | I do though :-) |
| 21:25.47 | dli | dclarke: apt-get install cpufrequtils |
| 21:25.48 | Azar | Well, we DON'T |
| 21:25.53 | Zoo- | be amazed. theres proprietary firmware in the debian system.. |
| 21:26.02 | Zoo- | ya knew that didnt' ya ;-) |
| 21:26.08 | MoDaX | Amarande: dpkg -l package |
| 21:26.13 | Azar | Zoo-: only if the user choses to install, it is not coming with base install |
| 21:26.16 | dclarke | dli : I'm not going to install it if I don't know what th benefit is |
| 21:26.18 | Zoo- | :) |
| 21:26.25 | Zoo- | correctomundo :) |
| 21:26.29 | Amarande | Not found. |
| 21:26.29 | Azar | Zoo-: I chose not to |
| 21:26.32 | dclarke | I'll look at that someday on a test system |
| 21:26.43 | Zoo- | its okay Azar.. no need to get all worked up about it lmao |
| 21:26.50 | Zoo- | life is fast |
| 21:27.02 | MoDaX | Amarande: replace 'package' with package name you're interested in |
| 21:27.11 | Azar | Zoo-: that why I chose to use Debian and not "any" distro |
| 21:27.14 | Amarande | Yeah, I just installed it |
| 21:27.15 | Zoo- | I hope I past he drug test on Friday :( |
| 21:27.33 | Zoo- | I didn't smoke since last year, and job was stressin me, out, I chose to smoke, was my own deal, but only 2 hitters :( |
| 21:27.39 | dclarke | is there a way to get a chronological list of software packages installed in a debian system ? like in Solaris we could just do ls -lt /var/sadm/pkg but I have no idea if such a facility exists in Debian |
| 21:27.41 | Zoo- | azar, me as well bud :) |
| 21:27.59 | Zoo- | alot of people do, your not the only 1 or me :) |
| 21:28.01 | Zoo- | were in this toghether eh? |
| 21:28.04 | Zoo- | I think so :) |
| 21:28.05 | MoDaX | dclarke: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:28.07 | Zoo- | we all are :) |
| 21:28.07 | stew | dclarke: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude if you use aptitude (which is recommended) |
| 21:28.23 | dclarke | I use aptitude |
| 21:28.26 | Azar | dclarke: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 21:28.30 | Zoo- | I support companies. business's users. wanting to do things, they like doing on there windows platforms |
| 21:28.36 | Zoo- | hey, at least I'm doing a good thing.. |
| 21:28.42 | Zoo- | so McMeh :) |
| 21:28.51 | dclarke | cool .. let me try looking into those .. things |
| 21:28.52 | stew | dclarke: dpkg.log is the more definitive one |
| 21:29.08 | grendal_prime | shit...1.5 hour download..wish i could the netinstall |
| 21:29.12 | Zoo- | lol.. also look into Cedega |
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| 21:29.22 | Zoo- | and if you want to configure Beryl + AIGLX you have my support |
| 21:29.28 | Azar | Zoo-: and your Debian question was..? |
| 21:29.30 | Zoo- | and for vmware as well, people got it |
| 21:29.36 | Zoo- | I need help with audigy SE :D |
| 21:29.44 | dclarke | sweet .. so /var/log/dpkg.log is a software package audit path |
| 21:30.13 | abrotman | argh .. it's c|int again! |
| 21:30.15 | Zoo- | crap, I have to finish this coffee. and run down to pay Electric bill |
| 21:30.24 | analfabeta | MoDaX: hmm, i'll do in a different way. i need add a directory in debian package, how i do? (in debian-mentors nobody answer). |
| 21:30.30 | Zoo- | abrotman: , respect users privacy .. ty :) |
| 21:30.38 | Zoo- | you want a cookie ?:D |
| 21:30.40 | abrotman | Zoo-: try actually doing something private |
| 21:30.44 | Zoo- | hee |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | analfabeta: in the script you mean or just an empty dir? |
| 21:30.54 | Zoo- | I pray for you too, and God Bless ya :-) |
| 21:31.01 | MoDaX | analfabeta: list it in debian/dirs file |
| 21:31.08 | abrotman | God is dead |
| 21:31.16 | Zoo- | thats your opinion |
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| 21:31.26 | dclarke | oooh .. major offense taken |
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| 21:31.30 | MoDaX | analfabeta: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-dirs |
| 21:31.30 | dclarke | goodbye |
| 21:31.30 | Zoo- | yep here too |
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| 21:31.54 | Zoo- | -_- |
| 21:31.56 | nn-laptop | um how do i regenrate a .pem file for i popd |
| 21:32.06 | abrotman | nn-laptop: how did you generate it to start with ? |
| 21:32.09 | nn-laptop | um how do i regenrate a .pem file for ipopd * |
| 21:32.18 | MoDaX | nn-laptop: with openssl |
| 21:32.21 | nn-laptop | apt-get install ipopd |
| 21:32.33 | madclicker | hi, need help with raidutils, anyone using this package, there is very little info on this package. HELP! |
| 21:32.34 | Zoo- | abrotman: , I'll pray for you though, that God Blesses you, and you change your spirit around, to be more friendlier to people |
| 21:32.36 | abrotman | nn-laptop: there is make-ssl-cert .. but you still have to know your way around SSL |
| 21:32.38 | abrotman | Zoo-: die |
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| 21:32.56 | abrotman | Zoo-: it's people like you that give that crap a bad name :) |
| 21:33.00 | Zoo- | well, thats really nice eh , and the way to be on freenode eh? |
| 21:33.01 | stew | Zoo-: abrotman: take this elsewhere |
| 21:33.03 | nn-laptop | y last time i did it it made the hole thing dye |
| 21:33.20 | Zoo- | I'm just trying to have a good time in #debian on freenode |
| 21:33.20 | abrotman | nn-laptop: define "die" |
| 21:33.28 | abrotman | or dye as you put it :) |
| 21:33.37 | nn-laptop | and all i need is to make one for local ip and one for domain name users |
| 21:33.48 | nn-laptop | not work |
| 21:33.50 | analfabeta | MoDaX: but i dont want create dir, like /etc, i need add a directory in .deb. it'll be copy to respective dir.. |
| 21:33.59 | Zoo- | people do not give anyone a bad name, if they feel that way, thats because they choose to feel that way.. |
| 21:34.02 | abrotman | nn-laptop: errors can be helpful |
| 21:34.07 | nn-laptop | not allowing standerd users to login |
| 21:34.08 | stew | Zoo-: please keep it on-topic |
| 21:34.09 | Zoo- | I think your having cognative distortions m8 |
| 21:34.13 | nn-laptop | no errs |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | Zoo-: try #debian-offtopic |
| 21:34.18 | Zoo- | well he said God is dead, and told me to die |
| 21:34.20 | nn-laptop | just no login |
| 21:34.25 | abrotman | nn-laptop: there has to be errors somewhere |
| 21:34.29 | Zoo- | nice to say to a person eh stew? |
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| 21:34.46 | stew | Zoo-: i'm giving you a 10 minute break for being off-topic |
| 21:35.03 | nn-laptop | well the bug is all clients ask if you want to recieve a sert for localhost.localdomain |
| 21:35.15 | Regnad | Thanks stew! |
| 21:35.28 | nn-laptop | drives me nuts |
| 21:35.42 | Regnad | Can someone help me pick the right kernel sources to install? |
| 21:35.52 | abrotman | nn-laptop: so make the cert for the correct name |
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| 21:35.59 | nn-laptop | HOW? |
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| 21:36.01 | abrotman | Regnad: sources or package ? |
| 21:36.04 | stew | Regnad: why do you need kernel sources? are you planning to recompile your kenrel? |
| 21:36.06 | abrotman | nn-laptop: openssl.org |
| 21:36.11 | dli | nn-laptop: can you try the n00b way, --purge the package, remove the .pem, and reinstall |
| 21:36.21 | razor | is linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 missing it's .config? |
| 21:36.25 | nn-laptop | ok |
| 21:36.37 | razor | m-a says: Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
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| 21:36.54 | dli | nn-laptop: debconf handles certificates |
| 21:36.58 | Regnad | Yes, I'd like to A) decipher my dmesg output and B) build a kernel identical to what I have installed |
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| 21:37.09 | nn-laptop | didnt help |
| 21:37.25 | stew | Regnad: what's the point of building a kernel that is identical to what you already have? |
| 21:37.26 | dli | nn-laptop: find the error message then |
| 21:37.26 | Regnad | Is it simply the "linux-source" virtual package? |
| 21:37.35 | MoDaX | analfabeta: if you make install everything to debian/tmp, add "debian/tmp/path/to/the/dir/*" to <binarypackagenamehere>.install file |
| 21:37.36 | nn-laptop | well the bug is all clients ask if you want to recieve a sert for localhost.localdomain |
| 21:37.38 | stew | Regnad: its linux-source-$version |
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| 21:37.45 | Regnad | stew - So I can identify anyt tweaks I make |
| 21:37.48 | stew | Regnad: if there is a virtual package,then yes |
| 21:38.00 | MoDaX | analfabeta: man dh_install |
| 21:38.03 | MoDaX | btw |
| 21:38.19 | nn-laptop | no bug just a ANOYING ERR mesage |
| 21:38.19 | dli | nn-laptop: did you set your hostname? |
| 21:38.22 | nn-laptop | how |
| 21:38.39 | nn-laptop | i have sevral |
| 21:38.50 | Regnad | uname -r gives me 2.6.18-4-686, do I need to also install linux-tree-2.6.18-4? |
| 21:38.51 | dli | nn-laptop: cat /etc/hostname |
| 21:39.25 | irule | Im adjusting my installation bash script and need to know if I am running in sarge or in etch, how can I know this? thanks! |
| 21:39.42 | nn-laptop | local ly it is 10.1.10.* outside it is http://srv256.homelinux.net and static ip is 70.94.36.254 |
| 21:39.50 | MoDaX | irule: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:40.17 | dli | nn-laptop: choose one as hostname |
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| 21:40.26 | MoDaX | irule: 3.1 for sarge, 4.0 for etch |
| 21:40.50 | nn-laptop | Webserv |
| 21:41.13 | \amethyst | nn-laptop: how many hostnames is ipopd going to be running on? |
| 21:41.37 | nn-laptop | 2 |
| 21:41.50 | nn-laptop | or more |
| 21:41.55 | irule | thanks MoDaX |
| 21:41.56 | lokkju_wrk | so, I am getting "Dazed and Confused" meesages on one of my dual proc servers... It is an older 800Mhz 1U server, specific error follows: |
| 21:41.57 | lokkju_wrk | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 3d on CPU 0. |
| 21:41.57 | lokkju_wrk | Dazed and confused, but trying to continue |
| 21:41.57 | lokkju_wrk | Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled? |
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| 21:42.30 | lokkju_wrk | whoops, one too many lines |
| 21:42.38 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: use a paster |
| 21:42.50 | lokkju_wrk | Azar, yeah, I only pasted 3 lines :) |
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| 21:43.17 | MoDaX | lokkju_wrk: 3+1 (your question) |
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| 21:43.32 | lokkju_wrk | MoDaX, but I didn't paste by question :) |
| 21:43.36 | lokkju_wrk | my* |
| 21:43.43 | Azar | !paster |
| 21:43.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:43.45 | \amethyst | nn-laptop: then you'll probably want to generate a cert for each hostname. Are you okay with self-signed certificates |
| 21:43.48 | \amethyst | ? |
| 21:43.49 | lokkju_wrk | anyhow, any ideas? |
| 21:43.53 | MoDaX | lokkju_wrk: debhelper bot does not care :) |
| 21:44.04 | lokkju_wrk | MoDaX, I noticed, and I'll be remembering :) |
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| 21:44.49 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: your name, address, phone...errr no, your Debian version, kernel version, application name that gives you headaches, when, error messages ... |
| 21:44.50 | MoDaX | lokkju_wrk: have you googled? |
| 21:44.50 | nn-laptop | Um anyone want to add this to source list : " deb http://srv256.homelinux.net/mirror/debian testing main ? |
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| 21:44.55 | lokkju_wrk | running 2.6.16-2-686 kernel right now, stock (not smp - only using a single proc till I get this error resolved) |
| 21:45.18 | lokkju_wrk | MoDaX, yes, and I have found references too it, but no fixes |
| 21:45.33 | dli | nn-laptop: http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt |
| 21:45.49 | rpc | does anyone know where can i obtain vditool from? |
| 21:45.49 | nn-laptop | currently the server has low usage and good band with |
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| 21:46.18 | nn-laptop | ................... |
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| 21:46.36 | lokkju_wrk | Azar, Sarge, 2.6.16-2.686, and no specific application - it is a kernel issue, as far as I can tell - the error shows in the dmesg - also on the console, when I have something connected to it |
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| 21:46.53 | jager | what is the current stable kernel for etch? |
| 21:46.57 | abrotman | 2.6.18 |
| 21:46.58 | abrotman | -4 |
| 21:47.03 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: do you think that upgrading the kernel would help? |
| 21:47.03 | jager | kthnx |
| 21:47.19 | kth` | Is there a way to globally tell gcc to compile in two threads? I see 50% idle in `top` when doing make-kpkg |
| 21:47.20 | abrotman | at least .. i think it's -4 on all arches |
| 21:47.21 | lokkju_wrk | Azar, about eber 5-10 seconds it puts out the message, and it varies between have 2d or 3d in it |
| 21:47.33 | stoned | hi |
| 21:47.33 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:47.33 | abrotman | kth`: there's a way with make-kpkg to do it |
| 21:47.42 | Azar | stoned!! :) |
| 21:47.55 | lokkju_wrk | Azar, well, not sure - I tried 2.6.20-1 on my other box (exact same hardware) and had the same issue |
| 21:47.57 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:48.31 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: maybe the 2.6.18 could treat you better |
| 21:48.45 | lokkju_wrk | Azar, I can try it, I guess |
| 21:49.00 | lokkju_wrk | hoping to find the cause before I got randomly upgrading shit |
| 21:49.04 | lokkju_wrk | go* |
| 21:49.27 | kth` | abrotman; I see... Will you tell me or is it your little secret? ;P |
| 21:49.33 | Azar | lokkju_wrk: try to investigate the origin of your error, see if is a kernel-related, and which kernel could offer better support |
| 21:49.36 | abrotman | kth`: in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf you can set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=<some number> |
| 21:49.46 | abrotman | kth`: i assume you have dual core? |
| 21:49.59 | kth` | abrotman; Yes |
| 21:50.15 | abrotman | kth`: setting it to 2 or 3 should still leave the system somewhat responsive |
| 21:50.32 | razor | what do i do when m-a says: Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source! |
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| 21:51.34 | MoDaX | razor: paste full cmdline you're trying to execute |
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| 21:52.07 | razor | MoDaX, m-a -t -v prepare |
| 21:52.57 | MoDaX | razor: uname -r |
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| 21:53.15 | razor | MoDaX, 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 21:53.46 | MoDaX | razor: install linux-headers-`uname -r` maybe |
| 21:53.52 | stew | razor: what does does "readlink /lib/modules/2.6.20-1-686/build" return ? |
| 21:54.13 | stew | razor: have you run "m-a prepare"? |
| 21:54.14 | kth` | abrotman; Working great now, thanks.... Could I possibly miss some global automake/autoconf/gcc/whatever config somewhere in debian that would allow to set that globally? |
| 21:54.41 | razor | stew, that's what i am trying to do :) readlink returns /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 21:54.52 | abrotman | kth`: not that i know of .. maybe ask #gcc |
| 21:54.54 | razor | MoDaX, linux-headers-2.6.20-1-686 is already the newest version. :( |
| 21:55.05 | dli | kth`: you can set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 in your /root/.bashrc |
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| 21:55.11 | abrotman | dli: for gcc ? |
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| 21:55.21 | stew | razor: is that an error or a warning? (the unconfiugred hearders...) |
| 21:55.22 | abrotman | not for make-kpkg .. just gcc |
| 21:55.34 | dli | abrotman: oh :( for gcc, use " make -j# " |
| 21:55.43 | abrotman | dli: and he wants a global setting |
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| 21:55.56 | MoDaX | abrotman: that concurrrency_level is for make (-j argument) |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | i know that!!!!!!! |
| 21:56.14 | abrotman | GLO-BAL SET-TING |
| 21:56.19 | dli | abrotman: I guess no such setting |
| 21:56.25 | kth` | root |
| 21:56.25 | MoDaX | indeed |
| 21:56.26 | kth` | er |
| 21:56.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: slune! |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | work! |
| 21:56.43 | MoDaX | and gcc does not have anything to with it :) |
| 21:56.52 | MoDaX | to do* |
| 21:56.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: how many more minutes? |
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| 21:56.59 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:56.59 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
| 21:57.01 | razor | stew, writes out 'Warning, ...' - however it wont let me compile any modules afterwards (running fx. m-a -t -v a-i ipw2200): Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 21:57.10 | abrotman | MoDaX: he wants to know if there's a global setting that instead of using CONCURRENCY_LEVEL or -j .. if he can just set it somewhere |
| 21:57.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: almost done i think |
| 21:57.32 | dli | abrotman: I remember using -j will break make-kpkg |
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| 21:57.38 | torrr | hi |
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| 21:57.45 | stew | razor: man m-a ; use -k or -l |
| 21:57.58 | torrr | would the businesscard download would do for fsck? |
| 21:58.04 | stew | razor: or maybe move that directory it is finding so that it doesn't find it and see if that makes it happier |
| 21:58.08 | abrotman | dli: i'm going to hit you again :) |
| 21:58.09 | DimGR_lap | hi how do you see which process is assigned to what cpu in a smp system? |
| 21:58.18 | MoDaX | abrotman: I know, I think there isn't. |
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| 21:58.32 | abrotman | MoDaX: which is why i told him to ask #gcc .. |
| 21:58.41 | abrotman | MoDaX: they'd at least have an idea of where to look/read |
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| 21:59.13 | MoDaX | why not #make :)) (<--- guessing) :) |
| 21:59.20 | abrotman | doesn't exist :) |
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| 21:59.23 | abrotman | though there is #gnu |
| 21:59.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh crap .. that's not right .. i'm going for a trim |
| 22:00.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: what's a trim? |
| 22:00.19 | Azar | support for firefox 1.5 extended until mid-May |
| 22:00.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: in the states .. you stick your head under a lawn trimmer |
| 22:00.25 | tarzeau | Azar: who cares? |
| 22:00.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: poor you |
| 22:00.39 | torrr | anyone knows if the business card netinstall have fsck? |
| 22:00.41 | Azar | tarzeau: those who use the 1.5 ? |
| 22:00.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: better than looking like *you* :) |
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| 22:00.54 | tarzeau | Azar: tried slune? |
| 22:00.57 | dli | torrr: you need a rescue disk? |
| 22:01.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: who cares? |
| 22:01.08 | Amarande | okay, this is still weird |
| 22:01.16 | Azar | tarzeau: I tested slune last night, man I am slow |
| 22:01.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: me :) |
| 22:01.24 | dli | torrr: why not debian-live? |
| 22:01.25 | Amarande | GNOME's little systray thingy says I'm not connected to the Internet. |
| 22:01.26 | torrr | dli: I ahve corrupted disk. It still work, but I have errors on boot |
| 22:01.28 | MoDaX | kth`: you can replace /usr/bin/make with the script, that execs make -j<num> $* :) |
| 22:01.34 | Amarande | I guess you're all just AI's that exist within the xchat executable. ;) |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | Amarande: make sure it's monitoring the correct interface |
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| 22:01.49 | Amarande | abrotman, where would I set that? |
| 22:01.49 | dli | torrr: yes, get a debian-live, on cd or on usb |
| 22:01.50 | MoDaX | a bit hackish though |
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| 22:02.04 | Amarande | If I click the 'not connected' thing it says no network devices are found |
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| 22:02.11 | abrotman | Amarande: right click .. properties |
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| 22:02.44 | stew | ugh, this server that has been up for 260 days crashed 3 times today |
| 22:02.54 | Amarande | abrotman: right click gives me 'Enable Networking' with a check next to it, 'Connection Information' grayed out, and 'About'. |
| 22:03.04 | abrotman | stew: maybe it's tired and it needs a nap? |
| 22:03.08 | dli | torrr: you can try "Ctl-Alt-F2", or "run shell" on the business card cd |
| 22:03.08 | Amarande | it's tired, stew |
| 22:03.12 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.14 | Azar | hehe my firefox is 1.0.4 |
| 22:03.15 | Amarande | hrm :| |
| 22:03.19 | kth` | MoDaX; Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, though I'd like a more "formal" solution |
| 22:03.22 | Amarande | well, I did just change the CPU about an hour ago |
| 22:03.30 | abrotman | Amarande: eh .. mine always works fine .. though i don't really look at it much |
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| 22:03.52 | Amarande | abrotman, does it perhaps not work with statically configured interfaces? |
| 22:03.55 | stew | abrotman: it is an overworked server. i'm wondering if its becuase its gotten warmer. no software has changed on the box at all in 3 months |
| 22:04.06 | Amarande | I think it stopped once I changed /etc/network/interfaces away from DHCP and made it use my static LAN stuff instead |
| 22:04.10 | abrotman | stew: is it really that much warmer in the room ? |
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| 22:04.22 | abrotman | Amarande: it should be fine |
| 22:04.25 | stoned | abrotman: didn't I tell you about my room last night :( |
| 22:04.26 | stew | abrotman: yes, there is a rack full of servers often going full tilt in a small room |
| 22:04.34 | abrotman | stoned: hold it a bit .. i'll be back :) |
| 22:04.38 | stew | abrotman: and, of course, this one has 4tb of media files i need |
| 22:04.41 | stoned | 4 machines on, 3 not yet, and still hot as hell in here |
| 22:04.43 | abrotman | stew: eeep! |
| 22:04.45 | abrotman | stew: backup! |
| 22:04.49 | dli | stew: psu , hdd, mobo, common failures on old servers |
| 22:04.52 | Amarande | also, on another topic |
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| 22:04.57 | stew | abrotman: yeah, its on tape |
| 22:05.00 | Amarande | foomatic seems to want me to express my printer's location as a URL. |
| 22:05.03 | MoDaX | kth`: or better yet, maybe even shell 'alias' might be enough |
| 22:05.05 | abrotman | stew: kernel logs ? |
| 22:05.08 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the protocol name is, though :| |
| 22:05.13 | abrotman | wait .. i really need a haircut |
| 22:05.15 | stew | abrotman: aiee killing the interrupt handler |
| 22:05.31 | abrotman | i look like Shaggy |
| 22:05.51 | stew | dli: its < 1 year old |
| 22:05.58 | stew | but yeah, it could be any of that |
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| 22:06.03 | abrotman | stew: tried unloading modules or disabling acpi or apic ? |
| 22:06.07 | abrotman | bah .. gotta go :) |
| 22:06.17 | dli | stew: then, mobo, which means memtest86 |
| 22:06.42 | stew | dli: yeah, i know, its installed. but i can't take the server down long enough until overnight |
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| 22:07.52 | dli | Amarande: if you have the printer, you know |
| 22:08.15 | dli | Amarande: also, I guess foomatic is outdated, try cups |
| 22:08.15 | Amarande | dli, I know the protocol, but I don't know how it's supposed to be expressed in a URI |
| 22:08.40 | Amarande | hmm, cups doesn't find an entry for a Phaser 740. |
| 22:08.40 | Amarande | do I need to download something else? |
| 22:08.46 | dli | Amarande: HP? apt-get install hplip |
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| 22:08.57 | Amarande | Tektronix, dli |
| 22:09.17 | melodos | hi! how can i change my keyboard languages? whats the keybord shortcut? |
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| 22:09.27 | dli | Amarande: then, I don't know :( you may have top get the ppd file |
| 22:11.01 | jelly-home | Amarande: there's a Phaser 740 in foomatic-filters-ppds |
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| 22:11.16 | stew | dli: it does with either of the two power supplies so i dont' think it is that |
| 22:12.04 | stoned | hey yo, nvidia binary users, what was that one option like no nvidia log on startx |
| 22:12.07 | stoned | i can't recall |
| 22:12.16 | stoned | logo* |
| 22:12.20 | stoned | nologo |
| 22:12.22 | MoDaX | melodos: gnome/kde? |
| 22:12.26 | stoned | oh got it, nm, nologo 1 |
| 22:12.31 | dli | stew: and you can find errors in logs, if it's hard drive, so go with memtest86, and prepare to order a new mobo |
| 22:12.36 | melodos | MoDaX: gnome |
| 22:12.53 | MoDaX | well, don't know then |
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| 22:13.18 | MoDaX | melodos: search gnome preferences for pointers |
| 22:13.30 | stoned | uh oh... portmap server local host not responding timed out. RPC failed to contact portmap err no. 5, lockd_up makesock failed.. localhost not responsding |
| 22:13.38 | stoned | umm.. whatty whattan? |
| 22:13.41 | stew | dli: yup. no errors in the log, its kernel panic, killing the interrupt handler |
| 22:13.42 | stoned | help |
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| 22:14.01 | MoDaX | it also depends how you configured keyboard for multiple languages? via gnome itself or xorg.conf? |
| 22:14.04 | stew | dli: so its probably memory or motherboard. yay for next day on-site service |
| 22:14.15 | melodos | gnome |
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| 22:14.31 | razor | stew, after a little code reading, i found that an outdated module-assistant was the problem - but thanks for the effort |
| 22:14.35 | razor | MoDaX, you too ;) |
| 22:14.45 | kramed | do the ubuntu packages from winehq work on debian testing? |
| 22:14.48 | stoned | portmap server local host not responding <-- what causes this? |
| 22:14.57 | stew | razor: interesting, which version was out of date, which works? |
| 22:14.59 | MoDaX | kramed: for dapper, yes |
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| 22:15.02 | dli | stew: any chance due to kernel irq handling? however, it should pass memtest86 in that case |
| 22:15.18 | kramed | MoDaX: the dapper packages work on etch? |
| 22:15.20 | stew | dli: uptime on this kenrel was 266 days until today, and 4 crashes today |
| 22:15.25 | MoDaX | kramed: perfectly |
| 22:15.26 | dli | stoned: /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 22:15.29 | stew | dli: no software changes whatsoever in 3 months |
| 22:15.30 | kramed | thanks |
| 22:15.32 | stoned | stew: whatever you do, never ever get the next day onsite from dell |
| 22:15.35 | stoned | its a friggin rip off |
| 22:15.36 | razor | stew, it seems there was some changes to include/linux/version.h - which made m-a not recognize the kernel version |
| 22:15.48 | stew | stoned: its not a ripoff in this case |
| 22:15.58 | stoned | stew: you're talking about dell? |
| 22:16.02 | stew | stoned: yes |
| 22:16.04 | kpearce | so I'm running the latest unstable (well, not the latest everything, but all the relevant packages are up to date) and I'm running eclipse with java6. Whenever I try to run an ant build from eclipse, the JVM crashes. Has anyone else had this problem? Any ideas? |
| 22:16.05 | stoned | wow |
| 22:16.17 | stoned | you're the first person i know of stew, who actually .. well nevermind, dell sucks |
| 22:16.28 | rpc | how do you mount a raw image? |
| 22:16.34 | stoned | dli: uno momento |
| 22:16.36 | stew | stoned: if this server is down for more than a day, this company stands to lose many thousands |
| 22:16.45 | Amarande | oh fun |
| 22:16.47 | dli | rpc: mount -oloop |
| 22:16.58 | Amarande | the Gnome CUPS printer add utility crashes when I select 'install driver' |
| 22:16.59 | stoned | stew: ohhh business class eh |
| 22:16.59 | stew | stoned: (i am not responsible for this hardware or the choice of dell, i'm just their hired linux/perl monkey) |
| 22:17.01 | MoDaX | melodos: http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/latest/prefs-keyboard.html |
| 22:17.03 | rpc | dli and no trickery? just like that? |
| 22:17.05 | stoned | stew: that could be different.. |
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| 22:17.28 | rpc | dli it's an ntfs drive converted into raw.. not sure if -o loop will work out of the box? |
| 22:17.34 | dli | rpc: mount -oloop <file> <destDIR> |
| 22:17.41 | stoned | stew: i know for a fact they don't give a rats patoot about home and home office, or small n medium busines customers |
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| 22:17.59 | dli | rpc: no idea about ntfs, give it a try with -t ntfs |
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| 22:18.10 | melodos | MoDaX: thnx |
| 22:18.35 | stew | stoned: these people have two racks full of their servers, and probably 30k of storage alone, dell gives a rats ass about them |
| 22:18.42 | rpc | dli testing.. |
| 22:19.02 | Amarande | hmm, is there a known bug in etch with adding printers in CUPS via gnome? |
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| 22:19.16 | Amarande | when I go to click 'install driver' so I can select the Phaser 740's PPD |
| 22:19.22 | stoned | stew: then it definitely isn't a small business or medium, and certainly not home and home office |
| 22:19.23 | Amarande | since it's not listed in the list presented |
| 22:19.29 | Amarande | I get "has quit unexpectedly" |
| 22:19.40 | stoned | stew: I quit working at dell before I got up to enterprise level |
| 22:19.40 | Amarande | am I going to have to install farking KDE just to get my printer installed? |
| 22:19.42 | rpc | dli... # mount -t ntfs -oloop u1_raw /F |
| 22:19.43 | rpc | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 22:20.18 | stoned | umm |
| 22:20.22 | stoned | -o loop |
| 22:20.25 | stoned | put a space in |
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| 22:20.48 | rpc | hm |
| 22:20.53 | stoned | why are you looping an ntfs disk? |
| 22:20.58 | Amarande | stoned: Two racks is probably still a 'medium' business these days :| |
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| 22:21.04 | rpc | same error |
| 22:21.08 | Amarande | You don't get to be a big business till Fortune starts listing you usually :P |
| 22:21.22 | rpc | stoned i have a raw image of that ntfs disk and i need to extract some data off it |
| 22:21.25 | zoli62 | hell |
| 22:21.47 | rpc | btw does mount work with disk images or just partitions? |
| 22:21.49 | stoned | Amarande: I worked in 3 different departents at dell.. starting from home and home office and worked up to smb, small/medium business and i know the shit I sold was worthless |
| 22:21.58 | stoned | dell is evil.. but i guess for large business they have to care |
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| 22:22.01 | stoned | thats how they make thier money |
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| 22:22.28 | stoned | Amarande: how right you are |
| 22:22.43 | Amarande | stoned: yeah, it's kinda like the difference between being a nobleman and rich. :) |
| 22:23.58 | mystic_jade | stoned but dell is bether then some others companys i think |
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| 22:24.59 | Amarande | okay, anyone know a CUPS printer add utility under etch that ISN'T broken? |
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| 22:25.19 | jager | so i just got me a new server |
| 22:25.22 | jager | woo |
| 22:25.45 | stoned | it might be true, but it is entirely OT here I was just being a tool |
| 22:25.53 | stoned | !popcon |
| 22:25.53 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:25.59 | jager | it's running 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 22:26.07 | jager | that seems ooold to me |
| 22:26.12 | jager | am i crazy? |
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| 22:26.14 | stoned | jager: why not update? |
| 22:26.19 | stew | ugh, this guy won't believe me that the memory might be bad |
| 22:26.22 | stoned | jager: if it aint broke, don't fix it, unless you need new stuff |
| 22:26.31 | jager | well i jjst got the damn thing |
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| 22:26.36 | stoned | stew: im sure you've ran some memory tests? |
| 22:26.36 | MoDaX | Amarande: http://localhost:631/ |
| 22:26.41 | jager | it's in a rack somewhere in florida |
| 22:26.43 | stew | stoned: nope, i can't |
| 22:26.49 | stoned | stew: oh offsite |
| 22:26.56 | tjfb | having trouble with lenny netinst not finding network, nforce2 eth0 |
| 22:27.02 | jager | i thought when i said debian stable i'd get etch |
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| 22:27.03 | stew | stoned: that's not the problem. their IT director is |
| 22:27.07 | jager | but i think i got sarge |
| 22:27.08 | stoned | heh |
| 22:27.16 | rpc | got it! :) |
| 22:27.30 | stoned | i wanna be an IT director.. CISO chief information security officer |
| 22:27.41 | stoned | i won't be a tool like the rest of them, i promise |
| 22:27.54 | stoned | management is always kinda meh. |
| 22:28.16 | stoned | I'll be stoned as shit and trying to secure networks |
| 22:28.27 | rpc | stoned what stuff are you smoking and can i have some please? :) |
| 22:28.31 | stoned | hehe |
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| 22:28.55 | jelly-home | chief information security&crap officer? |
| 22:29.08 | stoned | titles are titles |
| 22:29.11 | alan` | what driver can i use for a 3com Etherlink II/16 isa card |
| 22:29.15 | stoned | if you can do the work, thats all tht matters |
| 22:29.16 | rpc | btw the name is CISCO :) |
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| 22:30.00 | rpc | argh feels so good to mount a partition from a raw image of an ntfs drive on etch... and hell with chief officers :) that's all i needed to feel good he he |
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| 22:30.43 | rpc | it's too good to be true but hell, it really WORKS :) |
| 22:31.02 | Amarande | MoDaX: It asks for a username and password for CUPS |
| 22:31.02 | Amarande | what do you normally enter there on a stock etch system? |
| 22:31.09 | MoDaX | Amarande: root or add yourself to lpadmin group |
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| 22:32.04 | Mortuis | How do I install a .deb file? |
| 22:32.06 | MoDaX | Amarande: maybe lpadmin group was the reason gnome add printer not working |
| 22:32.12 | tarzeau | Mortuis: dpkg -i the.deb |
| 22:32.27 | Mortuis | thanks tarzeau |
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| 22:33.31 | Amarande | MoDaX, I'd have expected a permission denied, not a crash :) |
| 22:33.37 | Amarande | besides, gnome add printer asked for my root password |
| 22:33.58 | MoDaX | oh well, poor gnome :) |
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| 22:36.38 | foxmjay | hi all , please could someone help me to configure snmp on debian |
| 22:37.04 | foxmjay | it woks on localhost , but from an other machine |
| 22:37.17 | MoDaX | foxmjay: firewall? |
| 22:37.27 | stoned | the.deb hehehe |
| 22:37.28 | kramed | what package is glxinfo in? |
| 22:37.33 | stoned | mesa-utils |
| 22:37.45 | stoned | kramed: ^^ |
| 22:37.48 | kramed | thanks |
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| 22:38.00 | stoned | !tell kramed -about search |
| 22:38.25 | foxmjay | no , i mean if i try a snmpwalk localhost -c public et works , but snmpwalk 192.168.1.1 -c public it doesn't |
| 22:38.59 | foxmjay | MoDaX, the same machine |
| 22:39.03 | kramed | sorry, just installed debian for the first time today. cant learn everything about apt in that time |
| 22:39.53 | Ronin | !glxinfo |
| 22:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, glxinfo is a useful program, especially when debugging dri/glx stuff found in xbase-clients |
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| 22:40.07 | MoDaX | foxmjay: which daemon are you using? |
| 22:40.07 | foxmjay | MoDaX, i got Timeout: No Response from 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:40.13 | foxmjay | snmpd |
| 22:40.35 | Azar | kramed: a quick overview of apt here: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 22:40.37 | helo | anyone know how to start a process in the background and get its pid? |
| 22:40.43 | helo | in bash |
| 22:40.54 | MoDaX | helo: command & |
| 22:40.56 | kramed | Azar: thank you |
| 22:40.59 | Azar | helo: top or install htop |
| 22:41.11 | MoDaX | help: pidof processname |
| 22:41.12 | helo | Azar: it's pretty difficult to grep through the output of an ncurses app heh |
| 22:41.24 | MoDaX | upst |
| 22:41.26 | Azar | helo: my bad... took the wrong way |
| 22:41.29 | helo | modaX: that isn't good enough, there are multiple processnames, and i just want to know the pid of the one I just started |
| 22:42.04 | helo | i guess i'll use the init.d startup program |
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| 22:42.18 | MoDaX | helo: maybe start-stop-daemon |
| 22:42.31 | helo | start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/firebird.pid |
| 22:42.40 | helo | something like that, only --start and etc |
| 22:43.18 | MoDaX | foxmjay: have a look at /etc/default/snmpd |
| 22:43.35 | MoDaX | foxmjay: SNMPDOPTS |
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| 22:44.39 | Azar | stoned: California is officially nicknamed Cyberia... |
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| 22:45.40 | militant | what's the best way to have x from a remote machine? |
| 22:45.52 | cwheeler | ssh tunnel |
| 22:45.54 | MoDaX | militant: ssh -X ? |
| 22:46.03 | cwheeler | your milage may vary of course |
| 22:46.07 | Amarande | hmm |
| 22:46.13 | Amarande | how do you get a frame rate rating with glxgears? |
| 22:46.14 | foxmjay | MoDaX, what i'm supposed to change |
| 22:46.21 | cwheeler | now you need ssh -Y for full functionality |
| 22:46.24 | Dave2 | glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmak |
| 22:46.25 | Dave2 | er |
| 22:46.27 | Dave2 | glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 22:46.38 | Dave2 | (alternatively, -printfps . either works.) |
| 22:46.49 | militant | ok. and is there a way to have remote x, and have the remote machine's monitor show the same display? like, so the remote person can watch your actions? |
| 22:46.59 | foxmjay | MoDaX, ahhh i change that local ip |
| 22:47.04 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ glxgears -printfps |
| 22:47.04 | Amarande | X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 22:47.06 | MoDaX | militant: vnc |
| 22:47.10 | Amarande | that's all I ever get in the terminal, no matter what options I use |
| 22:47.22 | Amarande | (It keeps going till I X out or go to Close, both of which give that) |
| 22:47.24 | MoDaX | militant: krfb (kde) or x11vnc |
| 22:47.58 | Dave2 | hm, maybe it's changed |
| 22:48.05 | militant | what kinda bandwidth is needed? i've seen numbers as low as 50kb/s? |
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| 22:48.30 | MoDaX | militant: modem speed used to be enough |
| 22:48.42 | maddash | is it possible to resize the extended partition that root lives inside without data loss? |
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| 22:48.59 | MoDaX | maddash: yes, from live/rescue cd |
| 22:49.21 | militant | MoDaX: used to be. so i'll assume cable modems can handle it just fine, not laggy. k. is it much rougher on system resources? i would assume not |
| 22:49.23 | maddash | brb, then. |
| 22:50.24 | MoDaX | militant: depends on the settings |
| 22:50.50 | MoDaX | detail level (e.g. wallpaper) etc. |
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| 22:50.55 | kth` | /etc/environment are global environment vars, right? |
| 22:51.01 | MoDaX | kth`: yes |
| 22:51.23 | militant | ok, ssh -X just gave me a bash prompt. startx? it's saying user not authorized to run x server . |
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| 22:51.41 | MoDaX | militant: just run the app |
| 22:51.52 | militant | oh |
| 22:52.07 | MoDaX | will appear on your desktop though it exetuces on the remote machine |
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| 22:52.27 | militant | wow |
| 22:52.27 | MoDaX | it will* |
| 22:52.29 | militant | that's neat. |
| 22:52.30 | militant | as hell. |
| 22:53.15 | militant | so all the functions and load are on the remote machine and i just get the interface. |
| 22:53.22 | MoDaX | militant: yes |
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| 22:53.42 | militant | ok great. kuz i'm gonna be managing some debian machiens for friends/family |
| 22:53.44 | militant | and |
| 22:54.07 | militant | i also wanted to stick a lot of functions like bittorrent on the laptop and shove it outta the way, not have to reach for it when i need to fiddle something |
| 22:55.23 | militant | no port complications or anything, just standard ssh? neat. um, i'm curious now. how does it draw the interface? i mean. eh, i'll google :) |
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| 22:55.55 | MoDaX | militant: X is server/client architecture by design |
| 22:56.00 | militant | well |
| 22:56.00 | militant | yeah |
| 22:56.01 | militant | true |
| 22:56.23 | militant | i'm assuming x11vnc would be more what i'd want if i wanted to have a full desktop interface from a remote machine? |
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| 22:56.34 | MoDaX | militant: yes |
| 22:56.36 | cwheeler | i'm trying to build postgresql-8.2_8.2.4 with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b, I get this error: |
| 22:56.41 | cwheeler | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.42 | cwheeler | /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 22:56.47 | cwheeler | any ideas? |
| 22:56.56 | MoDaX | cwheeler: chmod 755 debian/rules |
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| 22:57.18 | militant | what about running apps. is there a way to export them to my box at work, when i get there? |
| 22:57.47 | robin_sz | screen |
| 22:57.50 | MoDaX | militant: export? |
| 22:57.51 | cwheeler | it's already rw-r--r-- MoDaX |
| 22:57.55 | stoned | Azar: Cyberia? |
| 22:57.59 | militant | robin_sz: gui stuff. |
| 22:58.10 | MoDaX | cwheeler: no. you also need executable permissions |
| 22:58.16 | cwheeler | oh thanks |
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| 22:58.28 | militant | MoDaX: like if i have xchat or kopete running at home, and i arrive somewhere else, can i bring them up, in their existing/running state? |
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| 22:59.03 | robin_sz | militant, for already running stuff ... not easily |
| 22:59.07 | cwheeler | that fixed it |
| 22:59.19 | MoDaX | militant: only with vnc |
| 22:59.26 | MoDaX | whole desktop |
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| 22:59.41 | militant | ahh. that's odd, and a shame |
| 23:00.01 | cwheeler | but now it has some other problem so i'll just use the stock source and install in /usr/local |
| 23:00.06 | militant | kuz i'd just leave them all on the laptop 24/7 stuck back in a corner, and pull them up from whatever computer i'm using at any time |
| 23:00.07 | robin_sz | militant, instead of xchat, try a random text based IRC and screen ... |
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| 23:00.40 | Azar | stoned: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/24/aea_cyberstates_report_2007/ |
| 23:00.42 | militant | robin_sz: uh, that would defeat the purpose. i want my gui apps. |
| 23:01.22 | grim76 | IRC pretty well functions the same as it does in a gui over CLI |
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| 23:02.00 | militant | grim76: it still defeats the purpose. i use xchat at home, i don't want to have to shut it down, then fire up irssi and connect to all my networks and join my chans, then screen it, before i walk out the door. |
| 23:02.01 | stoned | nice |
| 23:02.02 | justin | yeah, except that all the pictures and video from x-chat don't show up in irssi.. oh.. wait :) |
| 23:02.07 | robin_sz | just run an IRC at work and at home, like dude, its already a network attached service, no need to run the same window GUI in two places |
| 23:02.18 | rpc | can you convert raw disk image into vmdk? |
| 23:02.21 | stoned | i just ssh into my box instead of running irc at work |
| 23:02.27 | grim76 | Then run irssi all the time. |
| 23:02.39 | robin_sz | or run two xchats |
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| 23:02.53 | grim76 | same here stoned |
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| 23:03.01 | militant | grim76: i don't want to run irssi all the time. i'm just asking if there's a way to do it. i don't like my im and irc clients disturbed. |
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| 23:03.16 | militant | since there's not, i'll set up x11vnc |
| 23:03.20 | Angeluz | Hi guys. |
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| 23:03.23 | robin_sz | duh, what a bozo |
| 23:03.28 | militant | so i can just slide into my existing x session |
| 23:03.39 | Angeluz | I'm having a pretty stupid problem with my old laptop running Sarge. |
| 23:03.39 | grim76 | guess if ya want a gui all the time that would work for you...enjoy then. |
| 23:03.51 | Azar | stoned: "I told you so.." |
| 23:04.25 | Azar | Angeluz: details |
| 23:04.34 | militant | grim76: i don't use gui for anything except irc, ims, web, videos. i do everything else from a prompt. |
| 23:04.50 | Angeluz | It has no ethernet, so I thought I could transfer files on and from it to my desktop computer running Ubuntu Feisty and Debian Etch. |
| 23:05.05 | grim76 | militant: ok |
| 23:05.23 | Angeluz | Now my problem is, that I don't know how to mount a device with the 2.4-kernel, as there is no HAL-support. |
| 23:05.30 | Azar | Angeluz: never worked since the first sarge install, or died? |
| 23:06.04 | cwheeler | ah works much better after i read the directions again |
| 23:06.06 | Azar | did it EVER worked? |
| 23:06.17 | Angeluz | Azar: It's a pretty old laptop that only offers pcmcia. I wouldn't like to spend money on it, if it's not necessary. |
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| 23:06.53 | Kronuz | hello |
| 23:09.57 | Azar | Angeluz: either install sarge with "linux26" or install Etch |
| 23:09.57 | robin_sz | militant, IRC is a networked service, just attch two clients, one at home, one at work. Using a client to turn a lightweight protocol into a GUI .. then remotley using that GUI across a network when the lightweight protocol was available in two places becuse "I dont like to disturn my im clients" is kinda stoopid, IM and IRC are not intended to be used like that, thats why the concept of "presence" was invented ... |
| 23:09.59 | Kronuz | hey, for those with experience in linux and particularly in a windowed environment.... I have a window open with some app or whatever... is there a way I can redirect keypresses from a file to that window? (like if I had typed the keys there in the window myself) |
| 23:09.59 | Angeluz | Azar: Uh. Alright then. You just solved my problem. ;-) |
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| 23:10.02 | Angeluz | I'll do the first option. |
| 23:10.02 | Azar | good luck |
| 23:10.02 | Angeluz | I didn't do anything special on it since I installed Sarge, so there won't be a problem. |
| 23:10.02 | Angeluz | :) |
| 23:10.03 | PingFloyd | Angeluz: in theory |
| 23:10.03 | Angeluz | Manually reinstalling the 2.6-kernel from the Sarge-CD doesn't work, huh? |
| 23:10.04 | militant | robin_sz: the idea is that i have a lot of personal business to attend to on irc. and i don't like not having a client logged on. i could screen but that would require using a text client all the time, or killing xchat and starting up a text client every time i'm going out the door. real inconvenience. |
| 23:10.09 | Azar | Angeluz: you need connection to install the 2.6, I guess it goes faster and cleaner if you just reinstall with linux26 |
| 23:10.10 | Angeluz | Alright. |
| 23:10.11 | Azar | oh Angeluz never tried that CD stuff |
| 23:10.11 | robin_sz | militant: which bit of "run two xchat clients, one at home, one at work" |
| 23:10.11 | robin_sz | did you not understand? |
| 23:10.12 | karsten | robin_sz: The beit about the giraffe. |
| 23:10.12 | Angeluz | As far as I remember I can choose to not format the /home-partition? |
| 23:10.12 | karsten | bit. |
| 23:10.13 | grim76 | lol |
| 23:10.38 | Angeluz | robin_sz: The part of using X-Chat when there's irssi? ;) |
| 23:10.38 | Azar | Angeluz: you can go simple just a swap and the rest |
| 23:10.38 | Angeluz | Just kidding. No need for religious wars. ;-) |
| 23:10.38 | MoDaX | militant: there are also such things as ctrlproxy and other irc bouncers |
| 23:10.45 | robin_sz | Angeluz, well, yeah .. but xchat is nicer, ;) |
| 23:10.49 | karsten | militant: Frankly, I use screen and irssi. You can use a VNC session + xchat if you absolutely insist on graphical, but there are reasons why us old-school folk prefer our console-mode apps. |
| 23:10.55 | militant | robin_sz: that requires 2 separate nicks, doesn't it? i wouldn't get my personal msg's when i'm at work, some of which are time-sensitive. having a separate nick for when i'm at work would be a similar annoyance/inconvenience |
| 23:11.03 | Angeluz | Azar: You've been a great help. I remember doing a 2.6-installation from the Sarge-CD about a year ago on my desktop. |
| 23:11.13 | robin_sz | militant, thats why intelligent people use jabber |
| 23:11.17 | Angeluz | Too much alcohol during that time, so it seems. ;-) |
| 23:11.18 | karsten | militant: Sounds like a personal problem. |
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| 23:11.28 | robin_sz | militant, because it stores messages unti you next log on |
| 23:11.59 | militant | karsten: i'm a bit oldschool myself. been doing this linux thing on/off since the mid/late 90's. look, i'm not looking for a bunch of lectures on usability. all i asked was if there was a way to export the display of a running gui app to another box. if not, then i'll vnc it. no biggie. |
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| 23:12.19 | robin_sz | militant, and, if its "time sensitive" wouldnt your crazy idea mean people would *think* you were always logged on, send you a messgae, thinking you are there, and then discover you were out in the park all afternoon and hadnt read it? |
| 23:12.40 | karsten | militant: You could maintain a persistent session w/ a text client, use it for logging, while using GUI clients in general. |
| 23:13.03 | MoDaX | robin_sz: there is /away for such purpose |
| 23:13.06 | karsten | militant: VNC is probably the must usable GUI export tool, though you might want to look at nx (nomachine). I've not set up the NX server. |
| 23:13.09 | robin_sz | you just seem confused on how best to use a networked service like IRC, and about to do crazy high bandwidth shit for which a low bandwidth solution exists, no biggie :) |
| 23:13.28 | robin_sz | bored of this now |
| 23:13.38 | robin_sz | can we talk about girls instead? |
| 23:13.48 | karsten | militant: There are a few tools for exporting/sharing specific clients over X but I've never managed to get them to work. Mind that VNC has Virtually No Cecurity. |
| 23:13.57 | karsten | robin_sz: You know girls? |
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| 23:14.15 | robin_sz | karsten, I have seen pictures |
| 23:14.57 | robin_sz | karsten, on top or underneath? |
| 23:15.03 | karsten | robin_sz: In the middle. |
| 23:15.16 | robin_sz | ah right :) |
| 23:15.37 | karsten | militant: Not to start a standard wanger wangling contest, but I've been using Unix since the late 1970s. Seriously since the mid 1980s. |
| 23:15.46 | karsten | militant: I remember when glass ttys were hot new tech. |
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| 23:16.23 | robin_sz | karsten, yeah, irc on punch cards was a bit slow in those days |
| 23:16.46 | militant | karsten: that's neat. i'd like to have that sort of experience. i just wanted to make it clear that i'm not some kid on his first livecd or anything. my first linux installs were from floppies. i'm far from an expert, but i'm not clueless on the concepts. |
| 23:17.00 | karsten | robin_sz: We used the lightweight data compression method. |
| 23:17.05 | karsten | robin_sz: We just shipped the chads. |
| 23:17.35 | karsten | militant: No problem, and not implied. I'm just pointing out that there's a lot to be said for text. It's amazingly portable and flexible. |
| 23:17.38 | robin_sz | and used avian carriers? |
| 23:17.51 | karsten | robin_sz: African swallows. |
| 23:17.59 | robin_sz | right |
| 23:18.06 | lupine_85 | European ones drop less packets |
| 23:18.19 | robin_sz | two of them with a bit of vine to carry the boxes of chads? |
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| 23:18.38 | militant | karsten: i do everything text, except irc/im/web/video. i hate guis, i hate mice, i hate the bulk and inefficiency, i hate clutter, i prefer console. my work machines, only 1 of the 3 has x, even though i sit at all 3 all day. |
| 23:18.40 | militant | :) |
| 23:18.41 | wide_awake | quick question - how do I set vim as the default editor system-wide? I hate nano. |
| 23:19.10 | cwheeler | the shell variables EDITOR & VISUAL |
| 23:19.13 | Azar | wide_awake: if it is installed, you just use it |
| 23:19.13 | cwheeler | wide_awake |
| 23:19.27 | MoDaX | wide_awake: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 23:19.30 | wide_awake | cwheeler, do I just edit them in /etc/profile? |
| 23:19.34 | wide_awake | MoDaX, thx |
| 23:19.40 | Amarande | militant, you only need one machine to have an X server on it, anyway :) |
| 23:19.45 | cwheeler | wide_awake yes |
| 23:19.46 | robin_sz | update-alternatives --config editor is the way |
| 23:19.53 | karsten | robin_sz: Backup channel involved coconut husks. |
| 23:20.23 | Azar | MoDaX: I never heard of "special default" editor.. |
| 23:20.23 | karsten | !militant++ |
| 23:20.46 | karsten | wide_awake: sudo /usr/sbin/update-alternatives editor |
| 23:20.56 | karsten | wide_awake: s/editor/vi/ as well |
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| 23:20.58 | militant | Amarande: yeah i'm discovering that this evening. i've never looked under the hood simply because i don't *care* about X, beyond tweaking my xorg.conf .. wish i had more space for more machines to experiment/test stuff |
| 23:20.59 | Azar | karsten: is this a .dm thing? |
| 23:21.11 | robin_sz | karsten, good point. we used to use a similar method, but one day, the guy with the husks was coming past the back of the computer science building, and someone laucnhed a giant wooden rabbit over the top. kille dhim dead. |
| 23:21.22 | karsten | Azar: ?? |
| 23:21.26 | Amarande | say, do you have to explicitly specify both video cards in xorg.conf for the nvidia driver to do SLI? |
| 23:21.31 | Azar | karsten: about the editor setup |
| 23:21.31 | militant | karsten: militant++? i'd usually take that as a positive thing but i'm... not sure? :D |
| 23:21.35 | robin_sz | karsten, we think it was the modern languages department that did it |
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| 23:21.45 | karsten | robin_sz: One _must_ get the holy hand grenade count right. |
| 23:21.55 | karsten | robin_sz: RTFBOA |
| 23:21.59 | MoDaX | Azar: update-alternatives is integral part of debian |
| 23:22.07 | karsten | Azar: What's 'dm'? |
| 23:22.15 | Azar | !dm |
| 23:22.15 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 23:22.16 | Nemoder_ | bring out your debs! bring out your debs! |
| 23:22.23 | robin_sz | heh |
| 23:22.34 | karsten | Nemoder_: I'm not deb yet! |
| 23:22.38 | wide_awake | thanks everyone |
| 23:22.41 | Azar | MoDaX: I was baffled because I never encountered a "default" editor |
| 23:22.45 | robin_sz | speaking of debs, I bleieve theres one in the bedroom for me right now |
| 23:22.48 | robin_sz | later ... |
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| 23:23.07 | wide_awake | Azar: do crontab -e |
| 23:23.10 | wide_awake | or svn commit |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | Azar: Debian uses /etc/alternatives/editor and traditionally Unix uses the previously mentioned shell variables to provide editors for certain utilities. |
| 23:23.21 | vin` | Azar: try 'editor foo' |
| 23:23.22 | wide_awake | system will fire up $EDITOR |
| 23:23.23 | Azar | wide_awake: thanks |
| 23:23.27 | karsten | Azar: or vipw. |
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| 23:24.05 | karsten | Or mutt. |
| 23:24.05 | Angeluz | Alright, I'm at the partitioning-menu of the sarge-installer now. |
| 23:24.06 | karsten | (compose). |
| 23:24.06 | MoDaX | Azar: you have never reported a bug, have you? |
| 23:24.06 | militant | alright. thanks for the advice folks. i'm off to play with X and check vnc stuff. security is a concern, and i wouldn't use it much, but it'll be handy when the time comes |
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| 23:24.16 | Angeluz | How do I tell it to *not* format my logic ext3-partition (which was /home/me/? |
| 23:24.20 | Angeluz | +) |
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| 23:26.58 | Azar | karsten: editor command brings up VIM |
| 23:26.58 | vin` | karsten: you want to take that karma back? he's off to play with X |
| 23:26.58 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 23:26.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:26.58 | rahul | Nyle: it was clearly your fault |
| 23:26.59 | mmlj4 | is there a package or script that will automatically keep a debian box updated? I can run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade manually, but it would blow up running under cron, i would think. Or are there flags that will Just Do It and not ask questions? |
| 23:26.59 | rahul | my mouse cursor was grabbed! |
| 23:26.59 | Azar | MoDaX: I did but I used yahoo mail... I do not have mail setup on the PC |
| 23:26.59 | karsten | Azar: aptitude install chase; chase $( which editor ) |
| 23:26.59 | militant | vin`: shush, i'm off to figure out ways to break it :) |
| 23:26.59 | Amarande | ok, on a better topic |
| 23:26.59 | Amarande | anyone know a decent benchmark for DRI framerate under debian? |
| 23:26.59 | zoli62 | bye |
| 23:26.59 | rahul | Amarande: what are you trying to benchmark? |
| 23:26.59 | vin` | militant: ;) |
| 23:27.00 | Amarande | glxgears doesn't seem to want to give me a framerate under etch, and it's been running for about 20min |
| 23:27.00 | Angeluz | glxgears? |
| 23:27.00 | rahul | Amarande: textures? |
| 23:27.00 | Angeluz | It's not supposed to be a benchmark though. |
| 23:27.00 | Amarande | rahul: speed, I was told that I could figure out if SLI was working by the framerate from glxgears |
| 23:27.00 | MoDaX | Amarande: glxgears -printfps |
| 23:27.01 | Azar | karsten: /usr/bin/vim :) |
| 23:27.01 | karsten | Azar: ... or 'chase --verbose $( which editor )' for more detail. |
| 23:27.37 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 23:27.50 | Azar | well it looks like I only have vim installed :) |
| 23:28.16 | karsten | Azar: http://paste.debian.net/26523 |
| 23:28.21 | karsten | Azar: That would do it. |
| 23:28.43 | Amarande | ahh, now I see it |
| 23:28.47 | Angeluz | Azar: Just out of curiousity, who did one mount a device like an usb-stick when there was no 2.6-kernel? |
| 23:28.51 | Amarande | 57902 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11580.248 FPS |
| 23:28.51 | Amarande | 57677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 11535.375 FPS |
| 23:28.52 | Angeluz | *how |
| 23:28.57 | Amarande | is this indicative of single 7600GT, or SLI? |
| 23:29.15 | MoDaX | Amarande: I believe |
| 23:29.21 | Angeluz | Amarande: It's indicative for being bloody fast. Wish my ATI would do the same. |
| 23:29.30 | Amarande | Angeluz, which Radeon do you have? |
| 23:29.48 | Azar | karsten: -> /usr/bin/vim on mine.... (no base) |
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| 23:30.02 | MoDaX | Angeluz: usb sticks weren't popular back then |
| 23:30.12 | Angeluz | Amarande: x800 GTO with r480. |
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| 23:30.34 | Azar | Angeluz: I never used a usb-stick so I don't have that experience |
| 23:30.36 | Angeluz | MoDaX: Alright. How did you mount a digital camera's memory? ;) |
| 23:30.37 | Amarande | yeah, 7600 is pretty much the nVidia twin to X1600, but much better |
| 23:30.39 | JeffH- | What package do I need to reconfigure to change my IP from static to dynamic in Debian? |
| 23:32.14 | Amarande | I had an X1600 for a while and it wasn't so great, while the 7600GT is great |
| 23:32.15 | MoDaX | Angeluz: fstab and mount and/or pmount |
| 23:32.16 | Amarande | JeffH, you open /etc/network/interfaces and edit it to use dhcp for eth0 or whatever |
| 23:32.16 | militant | hrrrm. ok. now this. what about like. say i'm running a gui app off the other box, ssh tunneling ninja style. it still offers me my local filesystems when i go to open files or whatever. is there a way to avoid that? |
| 23:32.16 | Azar | JeffH-: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 23:32.16 | JeffH- | shit.. I just realized that won't fix the problem. |
| 23:32.16 | karsten | JeffH-: shit rarely does. |
| 23:32.16 | Angeluz | Amarande: I'm sure it is. Unless AMD/ATIs drivers change radically until august, I'll invest in nvidia. |
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| 23:32.19 | mmlj4 | Nemoder_: if I set it to complain only for critical stuff, how big a hole will I shoot in my foot? |
| 23:32.21 | Angeluz | I'm sick of it. Can't even play a little Quake 4 with my card, even if it runs at 1680x1050 on wintendo. |
| 23:32.25 | Azar | AMD is in the doodoo land right now, I am very dissapointed that they dropped the 939... |
| 23:32.26 | Angeluz | MoDaX: Ah, okay. |
| 23:32.35 | Angeluz | Azar: Yes. |
| 23:32.38 | Amarande | Azar: I'm quite annoyed at that also |
| 23:32.39 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: defaults are generally safe |
| 23:32.41 | itchi | militant: Do you want to mount a remote fs over ssh? See shfs |
| 23:32.45 | lupine_85 | Angeluz: they've still got the 940 :p |
| 23:32.46 | Amarande | I had to settle for a 4200+ because the 4400+ through 4800+ 939 are gone |
| 23:32.48 | MoDaX | militant: the app run on the remote machine. it should show remote filesystem in open etc. |
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| 23:33.14 | militant | MoDaX: it doesn't. like transmission. i want to add a torrent, and it asks me which one, and shows me my local fs |
| 23:33.30 | Angeluz | But those dual core Athlons (X2?) work flawlessly with 939? |
| 23:33.32 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: it's unlikely the machine would break but you may run into remote access problems |
| 23:33.36 | MoDaX | militant: then you did something wrong |
| 23:33.36 | n3kl | Hi. Anyone know of a linux mail client that you can use to read ms exchange mail? |
| 23:33.38 | Azar | honestly I wasn't feeling attracted with the latest AMD stuff lately... glad I stashed good old stuff |
| 23:33.39 | militant | oh |
| 23:33.40 | militant | wait |
| 23:33.41 | itchi | militant: Just use your local apps on a remote ssh mount point |
| 23:33.43 | Angeluz | lupine_85: 940? |
| 23:33.58 | militant | it IS, nevermind. i just have a lot of the same stuff int eh same places, so it fooled me |
| 23:34.05 | Amarande | Angeluz: So far, so good with my 4200+ X2 on 939 |
| 23:34.30 | Amarande | they are much loved, it's why the few 4800+'s that are left have skyrocketed in price |
| 23:34.30 | lupine_85 | Angeluz: opterons |
| 23:34.30 | lupine_85 | IIRC |
| 23:34.30 | militant | i didn't think it was correct, that's why i was confused. i mean, remote app knowing my local fs is scary |
| 23:34.30 | Angeluz | I'm thinking about upgrading. |
| 23:34.31 | itchi | militant: I'm near sure you gona find shfs useful :-p |
| 23:34.37 | Amarande | If you have a 939, I'd order the 4200+ from tigerdirect *now* |
| 23:34.40 | Amarande | before that's gone too |
| 23:34.41 | Angeluz | Currently there's a 64 3000+ inside. |
| 23:34.48 | Amarande | I had a 3500+ prior to that |
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| 23:35.20 | givaldo | a |
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| 23:36.06 | Angeluz | Amarande: A friend of mine has the X2 4600+. if I am not mistaken. |
| 23:36.11 | Angeluz | As he will be upgrading to Intel, I'll get it for a few bucks. |
| 23:37.33 | Angeluz | Azar: You mean hdds being replaced by a faster technology? |
| 23:37.47 | JeffH- | could someone browse to webmail.harriscomputersolutions.com and tell me if they see the login screen? |
| 23:37.48 | Azar | Angeluz: yes, like say 80GB usb-sticks |
| 23:37.49 | Angeluz | Isn't that already in the early stages with those flash-drives? |
| 23:38.02 | mmlj4 | Nemoder_: as in not be able to log in anymore? |
| 23:38.57 | rahul | Azar: those things have very limited lifetimes and are rather slow |
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| 23:39.06 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: depends how you are logging in, but I've noticed a lot of default security settings are pretty strict |
| 23:39.12 | Amarande | Yeah, I prefer my 80GB USB hard drive. :) |
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| 23:39.18 | mmlj4 | Nemoder_: then how do I keep a flock of remote servers updated? |
| 23:39.21 | Azar | heck I am using a 80GB HD out of which only 20GB is really used |
| 23:39.38 | mmlj4 | if sshd can break, etc. |
| 23:39.47 | Azar | rahul: well that was just an example, something faster than a turntable could come up |
| 23:40.01 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: if you're sticking with debian stable I wouldn't worry about it too much |
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| 23:40.08 | mmlj4 | fair enough |
| 23:40.14 | itchi | JeffH-: Looks like not |
| 23:40.24 | mmlj4 | thanks, i'll give it a whirl |
| 23:40.36 | JeffH- | itchi: thanks. wonder how long DynDNS takes to update their DNS servers. |
| 23:40.47 | itchi | JeffH-: Dunno |
| 23:41.00 | Nemoder_ | mmlj4: if you have a lot of important machines to manage remotely it's probably a good idea to test updates on a local machine first |
| 23:41.01 | rahul | Azar: even 7200 is faster than 33 1/3... |
| 23:41.02 | Amarande | I keep having to resist the temptation to do /exec -o df -h |
| 23:41.12 | JeffH- | itchi: guess I'll find out when I get home. haha thanks. |
| 23:41.14 | mmlj4 | i understand that |
| 23:41.15 | militant | now let's see about vls/vlc so i can watch dvd's on the box that doesn't hve a dvd burner but has the best display in the house |
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| 23:41.19 | streuner | JeffH-: not long... |
| 23:41.35 | rahul | 45 rpm huh |
| 23:41.42 | rahul | too cool for school |
| 23:41.44 | mmlj4 | a real server I'd want to watch, but a fire-and-forget install, no |
| 23:41.50 | Azar | well from what I read, the hard drives are way outdated comparing with the cpu/ram evolution |
| 23:42.09 | JeffH- | streuner: yeah, I woudln't think so.. |
| 23:42.32 | streuner | JeffH-: what do you use? |
| 23:42.42 | streuner | (to update DNS entry) |
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| 23:43.16 | streuner | abrotman: hi |
| 23:43.18 | JeffH- | streuner: I just did it manually via their website.. but usually my WRT54G router.. though for some reason today during a power outage it lost all its settings. |
| 23:43.30 | Azar | karsten: is just a coincidence that debian paster moved to a .de site? I just noticed yesterday |
| 23:43.36 | abrotman | hi streuner |
| 23:43.41 | noob_ | hi all.. just ran an apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 and am getting lots of "Failed to open file." messages.. what sources should I be using? |
| 23:43.55 | Azar | misterrr abrotman is back! how is the haircut? |
| 23:43.58 | Angeluz | No, it's the dawn of the 4th reich. :-> |
| 23:44.02 | streuner | heh |
| 23:44.08 | abrotman | Azar: eh |
| 23:44.32 | Azar | hehe, I am a fan of .de anyways |
| 23:44.47 | streuner | Azar: ever been there? |
| 23:44.59 | JeffH- | sweet.. looks like the new IP might have just taken hold. |
| 23:45.03 | Azar | streuner: no, but I lived 1 year in Austria |
| 23:45.15 | Azar | learned some german |
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| 23:45.39 | Angeluz | Azar: "Ich danke dir fuer deine Hilfe." *g* |
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| 23:46.02 | Azar | Angeluz: du beast oder nicht du beast das ist der fragen.. |
| 23:46.16 | Azar | read it in english |
| 23:46.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:46.53 | militant | mmmm....... i'm really enjoying this. offloading all my tasks to the other box. |
| 23:47.11 | noob_ | which source should I use for mysql-server-4.1 for sarge2? |
| 23:47.20 | streuner | sarge2? |
| 23:47.21 | Angeluz | If that's supposed to be the shakespeare-quote, you'd have to say: "Sein oder nicht sein, das ist hier die Frage." |
| 23:47.29 | abrotman | noob_: should already be there |
| 23:47.30 | noob_ | oops.. meant sarge. |
| 23:47.50 | Azar | Angeluz: ich weiss, but that one is "home made" |
| 23:47.51 | Angeluz | Even if we had an evil nazi-past, were no "beasts". :o) |
| 23:48.01 | Angeluz | *we're |
| 23:48.09 | n3kl | Anyone know why I can't put desktop icons on my second monitor's desktop in kde? |
| 23:48.24 | noob_ | abrotman: may I pm u? |
| 23:48.30 | Angeluz | Damn, my desk is too small for a 19" CRT, 21" WS-TFT and a 13"-Laptop... :-/ |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | no |
| 23:48.44 | abrotman | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 23:48.45 | Angeluz | I just crushed four bottles of beer. Fuck. |
| 23:48.49 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4sarge7 (sarge), Packaged size: 14217 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
| 23:49.03 | streuner | Angeluz: beer is good for sleep ;-) |
| 23:49.05 | noob_ | abrotman: how may I post you the error I'm getting trying to install? |
| 23:49.18 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 23:49.18 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:49.35 | Angeluz | streuner: There's nothing beer isn't good for. Except driving maybe. ;o) |
| 23:49.41 | abrotman | or put it in #flood and tell me *before* you do it |
| 23:50.02 | militant | Angeluz: i have a 19" tv, a 24" trinitron crt, and a 15" laptop here. plus my ds and games rack and my speakers and my modem/router and 2 power strips. then again it's an 8 foot table. furniture is useful :) |
| 23:50.07 | streuner | Don't IRC and drink, specially if people know you :-) |
| 23:50.31 | Azar | shelving is the answer, Ange |
| 23:50.34 | Azar | Angeluz |
| 23:50.43 | kth` | abrotman; MoDaX; In case you're interested, a person at #gcc suggested MAKEFLAGS env variable for global make config, though it breaks make-kpkg -- it says to use what abrotman suggested instead |
| 23:50.51 | noob_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/458614 |
| 23:50.54 | abrotman | heheh |
| 23:51.14 | Angeluz | Azar: Yes, I really need a need desk. Especially when I get the Macbook and the 2nd 21" WS-TFT. |
| 23:51.22 | Azar | abrotman's advices are widely known to "just work" |
| 23:51.23 | abrotman | noob_: now paste your sources |
| 23:51.35 | abrotman | Azar: there was that soap box derby car project .... |
| 23:51.45 | Azar | ahh haha |
| 23:51.47 | Angeluz | But then I'll carry the CRT into the cellar. |
| 23:51.57 | MoDaX | kth`: thanks. I didn't know about MAKEFLAGS |
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| 23:52.11 | noob_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/458616 |
| 23:52.18 | n3kl | Anyone know why I can't put icons on the dekstop of my second monitor? |
| 23:52.43 | streuner | !repeat |
| 23:52.44 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | noob_: i meant your sources.list .. but uhm .. does your internet work on that box ? |
| 23:53.14 | nn-laptop | !seen aaa |
| 23:53.15 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'aaa', nn-laptop |
| 23:53.19 | Angeluz | n3kl: Which driver and dualhead-configuration are you using? |
| 23:53.19 | MoDaX | n3kl: xinerama? |
| 23:53.25 | nn-laptop | !seen arb |
| 23:53.25 | dpkg | arb <foobar@laptop-dynip122.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 749d 5h 49m 21s ago, saying: 'debian is a nice distro'. |
| 23:53.29 | n3kl | streuner: thanks |
| 23:53.30 | abrotman | nn-laptop: msg the bot |
| 23:53.40 | Angeluz | xorg-radeon and mergedfb works fine. |
| 23:53.44 | noob_ | abrotman: yes.. internet works. I thought that was the sources.list (pasted at the bottom) |
| 23:53.46 | n3kl | Angeluz: MoDaX: nvidia 9775 xinerama |
| 23:53.47 | Angeluz | I can place whatever I want on the 2nd monitor. |
| 23:53.57 | Angeluz | Alright, them I'm out. Sorry. :) |
| 23:54.09 | nn-laptop | !msg the bot |
| 23:54.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 23:54.11 | abrotman | noob_: ah .. you're now running etch apparently |
| 23:54.15 | abrotman | nn-laptop: MSG THE BOT |
| 23:54.32 | n3kl | Angeluz: thanks |
| 23:54.49 | noob_ | abrotman: etch? i don't know what that means. is the sources wrong? |
| 23:54.49 | abrotman | noob_: yeah .. kind of .. |
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| 23:54.59 | abrotman | noob_: when is the last time you did an upgrade (and please don't do this now) |
| 23:55.07 | Azar | abrotman: ftp.debian.org does not work for me either, maybe he needs an additional or other source? |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | Azar: that's besides the point |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | noob_: you're in .au ? |
| 23:55.41 | noob_ | abrotman: i upgraded to sarge about 2yrs ago .. took me 2 weeks and a lot of posts to you (if I remember correctly) when I did.. |
| 23:55.50 | noob_ | abrotman: i'm in New Jersey. |
| 23:55.51 | streuner | nah, looks like the stats |
| 23:56.17 | noob_ | abrotman: ... yea I know .. maybe THAT's my problem (NJ) .. heheh ... |
| 23:56.36 | Azar | noob_: what abrotman wants to say to you: "stable" is now the Debian 4.1, NOT sarge |
| 23:56.43 | Azar | err 4.0 |
| 23:57.04 | noob_ | Azar: so sarge = deprecated? |
| 23:57.20 | Azar | so you run Debian 3.1 trying to get sources from 4.0 / no , not deprecated |
| 23:57.38 | Azar | noob_: your sources should say "sarge" instead of "stable" |
| 23:57.40 | noob_ | if I change "stable" to "sarge" .. will that |
| 23:57.49 | noob_ | .. you beat me to it. |
| 23:58.56 | noob_ | Azar, abrotman: so my sources should read: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 23:58.56 | streuner | sure |
| 23:58.57 | Azar | that's a Rookie's mistake : http://morefish.mine.nu/2007/04/24/debian-rookie-mistakes |
| 23:58.59 | abrotman | noob_: anywhere it says stable it shuld say sarge |
| 23:59.22 | noob_ | Azar: rookie mistakes -> noob mistakes. Thus my handle. |
| 23:59.33 | noob_ | abrotman: thanks, guys.. i'll change it now and give it a try. |
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