| 00:00.29 | noob_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/458616 |
| 00:00.59 | noob_ | abrotman: oops.. psted into comments |
| 00:01.00 | abrotman | they still say stable ? |
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| 00:01.11 | MoDaX | n3kl: maybe it's not possible? |
| 00:01.13 | noob_ | abrotman: sorry.. no .. look in comments. |
| 00:01.23 | MoDaX | n3kl: missing feature |
| 00:01.46 | abrotman | noob_: what country are you in .. or state ? |
| 00:01.58 | noob_ | abrotman: New jersey, US |
| 00:02.17 | Azar | noob_: try to add this source: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib --- and a deb-src ftp:// for same, comment the previous |
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| 00:03.14 | Azar | noob_: then run update and upgrade see if it works |
| 00:03.23 | abrotman | noob_: use the rutgers mirror |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 00:03.25 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 00:04.20 | noob_ | Azar/abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/458643 |
| 00:04.29 | noob_ | abrotman: I'll try the rutgers mirror now |
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| 00:04.39 | abrotman | not quite |
| 00:04.42 | abrotman | noob_: just hold up a second |
| 00:05.41 | Azar | noob_: no, the second line is deb-src ftp:// |
| 00:05.48 | Azar | I mean starts with.. |
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| 00:06.35 | Azar | you either use http for both, or ftp for both like in my lines |
| 00:06.35 | noob_ | like: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 00:06.35 | noob_ | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib ? |
| 00:06.43 | Azar | yes |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | noob_: i'm making your sources |
| 00:07.05 | noob_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:07.13 | Azar | noob_: wait for abrotman, he is making you some killer ones |
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| 00:07.23 | Supaplex | file:///dev/urandom |
| 00:07.31 | abrotman | http://pastebin.ca/458647 |
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| 00:07.36 | Azar | misterrr Supaplex!! |
| 00:07.39 | Azar | :) |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | kill ? |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | killer ? |
| 00:08.26 | Azar | I ment really cool ones |
| 00:08.37 | noob_ | abrotman/Avar: this is what I'm getting with abrot's sources: http://pastebin.ca/458648 |
| 00:09.03 | Supaplex | as in so good, they could kill. |
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| 00:09.19 | abrotman | noob_: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 .. paste the results here |
| 00:09.21 | Azar | noob_: run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade |
| 00:09.22 | noob_ | abrotman: running apt-get update |
| 00:09.35 | Azar | just for kicks |
| 00:09.54 | noob_ | abrotman: after running apt-get update, looks like it's finding the packages |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | noob_: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 .. paste the results here |
| 00:10.13 | bloodskin | ive been doing some reading, and it seems amd64 and nvidia dont play nice |
| 00:10.24 | noob_ | abrotman: it's running the config now |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | nvidia doesn't play nice at all :) |
| 00:10.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:10.31 | abrotman | good enough i suppose |
| 00:10.42 | Azar | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems <-- :) |
| 00:11.09 | bloodskin | that is really lame too |
| 00:11.10 | noob_ | Azar: that was the hint I followed.. heheh |
| 00:11.19 | Azar | bloodskin: while amd64 went out very few if any of the drivers were ready for it |
| 00:11.28 | bloodskin | because i am stuck in 640x480 res |
| 00:21.26 | JeffH- | does mail or http use udp? or is it all tcp? |
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| 00:21.27 | lando | ;wc |
| 00:21.27 | rpc | is it safe to delete files and dirs on the ntfs raw disk image that i mounted in linux? |
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| 00:21.28 | Azar | bloodskin: you installed xserver and reconfigured it? |
| 00:21.28 | bloodskin | im not sure how to reconfigure it |
| 00:21.28 | noob_ | abrotman/Azar: may I paste the install results? |
| 00:21.29 | abrotman | if there's a problem .. sure |
| 00:21.29 | Azar | bloodskin: did you used the debian version of nvidia installer or used just the nvidia installer from their site? |
| 00:21.29 | noob_ | abrotman: there was a 'serious warning' ...: http://pastebin.ca/458654 |
| 00:21.29 | bloodskin | i used their version. i went into single user mode |
| 00:21.29 | bloodskin | and got an error about the kernel |
| 00:21.29 | abrotman | noob_: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 .. paste the results here |
| 00:21.29 | Azar | bloodskin: so is installed, or aborted? |
| 00:21.30 | abrotman | noob_: dunno .. it seems okay .. |
| 00:21.30 | bloodskin | ill google for the debian version |
| 00:21.30 | bloodskin | it aborted |
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| 00:21.32 | Azar | bloodskin: you got Debian 4.0 Etch, or Debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 00:21.32 | noob_ | abrotman: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 |
| 00:21.32 | noob_ | ii apt 0.5.28.6 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 00:21.33 | bloodskin | i believe i got etch |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | noob_: okay .. |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | your mysql install seems okay |
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| 00:21.35 | abrotman | noob_: the serious warning is about apache-common .. you can reinstall the package if you're that worried |
| 00:21.35 | Azar | bloodskin: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner and try to do all that command in one line |
| 00:21.35 | noob_ | abrotman: what would be wrong with apache? |
| 00:21.35 | bloodskin | ? |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | it's a dpkg control file that's missing |
| 00:21.36 | Azar | bloodskin: translation : /msg our bot "dpkg" for nvidia one-liner |
| 00:21.37 | bloodskin | i realized that |
| 00:21.37 | bloodskin | lol |
| 00:21.37 | noob_ | abrotman: would that be something to worry about? i don't even know what dpkg is .. heheh |
| 00:21.37 | Azar | and follow his advice |
| 00:21.37 | bloodskin | was just trying to find out where to stop |
| 00:21.37 | noob_ | abrotman: might be the "new jersey" in me. |
| 00:21.37 | abrotman | noob_: no .. it's the new jersey water in you :) |
| 00:21.38 | Azar | bloodskin: start with "apt get ..... end with xserver-xorg" before the (if |
| 00:21.38 | abrotman | noob_: does this box actively use apache ? |
| 00:21.39 | bloodskin | ok |
| 00:21.39 | noob_ | abrotman: yes.. i have a pers web server on it. |
| 00:21.40 | noob_ | abrotman: and the water is butt-nasty out here |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | noob_: are you north or south ? |
| 00:21.42 | noob_ | abrotman: hoboken |
| 00:21.42 | Azar | abrotman: "Palookaville" movie could give you a NJ idea |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | i had to do a job in Newark .. down on chemical row |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | Azar: i've been all over NJ |
| 00:21.43 | Azar | lucky you |
| 00:21.44 | dvs | abrotman: oh. So that's what happened. ;-) |
| 00:21.44 | noob_ | Yea.. i'm sure it's nothing to brag about. |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | dvs: i ate off a roach coach too :) |
| 00:21.45 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | noob_: at the big new jail down there |
| 00:21.45 | Azar | noob_: in fact I was impressed... I wish I could visit one day |
| 00:21.45 | abrotman | dvs: the lunch trucks |
| 00:21.45 | dvs | brave man |
| 00:21.46 | noob_ | abrotman: you lead an action-packed life.. i'm doing nothing fancy at all. |
| 00:21.46 | abrotman | noob_: anyways .. if the problem persists .. you can reinstall the package |
| 00:21.47 | abrotman | noob_: oh yeah .. setting up java applet servers at a jail is action packed! |
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| 00:21.47 | noob_ | abrotman: well I just tried to run a web script on the server (that calls the db) and it's not responding. |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | !tell BloodSkin about root |
| 00:21.52 | Azar | life there seems to be ... boheme.. |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | noob_: maybe ti's thinking hard ? |
| 00:21.53 | noob_ | abrotman: well.. it was faster with 4.0... |
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| 00:21.54 | noob_ | abrotman: do I need to update mysql-client or something, too? |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 00:24.48 | Azar | abrotman: seen Buffallo '66 ? |
| 00:25.00 | abrotman | Buffalo ? |
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| 00:25.10 | abrotman | and doubtful |
| 00:25.13 | Azar | abrotman: yeah a movie, NJ area too |
| 00:25.15 | noob_ | Azar: vincent gallo? |
| 00:25.17 | Azar | yes |
| 00:25.22 | Azar | that guy rocks man |
| 00:25.25 | noob_ | Azar: been meaning to see that |
| 00:25.34 | Azar | both are with him |
| 00:25.48 | Azar | Buffallo '66 and Palookaville |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | NJ isn't that entertaining :) |
| 00:26.08 | Azar | I bought them cuz I collect cool movies |
| 00:26.10 | noob_ | azar: isn't christina ricci in that? |
| 00:26.16 | Azar | noob_: yes |
| 00:26.25 | dvs | scary |
| 00:26.34 | noob_ | azar: just saw "a guide to recognizing your saints" and was more-or-less impressed. |
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| 00:26.39 | Azar | abrotman: is not entertaining... I don't buy "entertainment" is quality movie |
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| 00:27.15 | Azar | noob_: I surf the tv channels usually and pick movies (old ones) that show some quality |
| 00:27.30 | jdhutchin1 | I have a raid5 array with 8 disks, and recently obtained a hot spare so I have 9 disks |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | obtained ? |
| 00:27.42 | jdhutchin1 | is it possible to move this to a raid6 without having to copy the data somewhere else and starting all over |
| 00:27.44 | jdhutchin1 | ? |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | seriously doubtful |
| 00:28.33 | jdhutchin1 | yeah, I haven't found anything that says I can, but (I think) all it should have to do is build the second parity disk on the current hot-spare |
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| 00:28.53 | abrotman | but then you wouln't have a hot spare |
| 00:28.57 | abrotman | !baarf |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:29.15 | noob_ | Azar: i only have 13 channels.. |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | weird al on all of them ? |
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| 00:29.48 | noob_ | abrotman: i wish, man.. he's a genius. he tells me I'm white & nerdy, and he's right. |
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| 00:30.04 | abrotman | you're nerdy ? |
| 00:30.22 | Eclipser | and white? |
| 00:30.32 | noob_ | abrotman: well i don't know much about *nix, but I know more than yer average white guy. |
| 00:30.42 | markybob | great...racial profiling on irc. that's all we needed :) |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | doesn't make you nerdy :) |
| 00:30.47 | noob_ | Eclipser: ya |
| 00:30.57 | abrotman | markybob: better than intellectual profiling? :) |
| 00:30.58 | Eclipser | sorry... too much weird al |
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| 00:31.15 | noob_ | abrotman: i might be geeky vs nerdy.. not sure what the distinction is. |
| 00:31.17 | markybob | abrotman: but at least the latter makes sense ;) |
| 00:31.44 | Eclipser | I got to another level of nerdiness when I mention that I could use a vim t-shirt... or so people said afterwards.. |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | i'd probably fail |
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| 00:31.58 | Eclipser | "there's nerdy and then there's wearing vim shirt" |
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| 00:32.19 | abrotman | Eclipser: i suppose that's better than a sleeping visor with ":wq" |
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| 00:32.29 | Eclipser | :) |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | or with "^s" |
| 00:33.13 | Azar | noob_: me too... |
| 00:33.27 | Angeluz | Anyone ever watched "Black Christmas"? |
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| 00:33.42 | Azar | Angeluz: nope but Im gonna check it out |
| 00:33.49 | noob_ | Azar: i mustn't be nerdy or geeky.. cuz i haven't a clue what this :wq, ^s stuff means |
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| 00:34.15 | Azar | hehe ok noob_ install vim and after that type : vimtutor |
| 00:34.28 | Angeluz | I'm doing right now. Seems like the average "sorority-girls getting slaughtered"-slasher-move. |
| 00:34.31 | Angeluz | *movie |
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| 00:34.39 | noob_ | Azar: is it worth installing just to 'get' a joke? |
| 00:34.57 | noob_ | Angeluz: anything like Bad Santa? |
| 00:35.03 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm getting this error when popping email from my ISP with fetchmail: Fetchmail: could not decode BASE64 challenge |
| 00:35.12 | Angeluz | Haven't seen that one. |
| 00:35.13 | Xenguy | I have STFW but so far I don't really see a good explanation |
| 00:35.20 | Azar | noob_: is worth for learning the elementary of manipulating the editor |
| 00:35.47 | Xenguy | The error just appeared today, but fetchmail seems to be pulling in my mail anyway :-/ |
| 00:35.47 | noob_ | Azar: first, I have to learn what that explanation means. |
| 00:35.57 | abrotman | Xenguy: so .. let it go? :) |
| 00:36.10 | Azar | noob_: :wq is a command that tells the editor to exit and save the file |
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| 00:36.14 | Xenguy | abrotman: I can do that, but it annoys me a little ;-) |
| 00:36.22 | helo | luckily not in that order |
| 00:36.38 | Azar | noob_: you will need to edit files like /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:36.39 | Angeluz | lol |
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| 00:37.38 | Azar | and vimtutor is interactive and fun |
| 00:38.17 | Angeluz | Indeed. |
| 00:38.21 | Eclipser | ^S doesn't have anything to do with vim though |
| 00:38.35 | Azar | Eclipser: I assume is same thing done by another editor |
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| 00:38.49 | dvs | Azar: a lot more editors |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | Eclipser: no .. it does in a terminal though |
| 00:39.12 | Azar | yeah but since I used to spend a lot of time playing nethack... vim came handy |
| 00:39.14 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:41.39 | Eclipser | O |
| 00:41.39 | Eclipser | gah |
| 00:41.40 | Eclipser | stupid fingers, been acting funny ever since I picked up that guitar again after a few years without playing.. |
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| 00:41.41 | Eclipser | as I was saying... hmm... what was I going to say... |
| 00:41.49 | karsten | Eclipser: I don't know, but I believe it was in the key of F. |
| 00:41.56 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 00:42.17 | Eclipser | ah yes |
| 00:42.34 | Eclipser | I never got into nethack, my nerdiness has a big gap right thtere |
| 00:43.44 | noob_ | Azar: that sorta make sense.. I use nano cuz it was easy to learn |
| 00:43.44 | Angeluz | Whats nethack? |
| 00:43.44 | Eclipser | roguelike |
| 00:43.44 | Guerin | Angeluz: a time-wasting device |
| 00:43.45 | RichiH | heh |
| 00:43.48 | mystic_jade | someone knows when the debian etch will be stable? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | mystic_jade: /topic |
| 00:43.58 | Guerin | mystic_jade: about two weeks ago |
| 00:44.14 | Eclipser | hehe |
| 00:44.48 | mystic_jade | debian etch is stable now? |
| 00:44.53 | Eclipser | yes |
| 00:44.57 | mystic_jade | great :) |
| 00:45.06 | Guerin | ok, here's a question: |
| 00:45.08 | noob_ | abrotman/Azar: thanks you guys.. gonna go watch "art school confidential" on netflix.. :) |
| 00:45.14 | Azar | Guerinn!! :) |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | Guerin: you're 5"8' |
| 00:45.26 | noob_ | abrotman/Azar: does that make me whiter & nerdier? |
| 00:45.31 | Azar | nethack-console I guess is the name of the package, ascii game dungeons |
| 00:45.34 | abrotman | noob_: no |
| 00:45.52 | mystic_jade | lolll i can`t bealiver etch gona stable and i don`t know lol |
| 00:45.54 | mystic_jade | :x |
| 00:45.55 | Guerin | Your MA research proposal was turned down as ineligible. Do you: a) get drunk b) draft a letter requesting reconsideration c) a then b d) b then a e) other (specify) |
| 00:45.55 | noob_ | abrotman/Azar: k, bye guys. thank you. |
| 00:46.01 | Azar | noob_: only reading reading reading and doing stuff |
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| 00:46.18 | noob_ | Azar: isn't that everybody? |
| 00:46.22 | Eclipser | what's MA |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | masters of arts |
| 00:46.32 | Angeluz | A time-wasting device? |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | Guerin: e) get a damn job :) |
| 00:46.44 | zinx | Geurin: e) a then e |
| 00:46.45 | Eclipser | Guerin, e) start coding |
| 00:46.54 | Guerin | abrotman: i *have* a damn job, that's the problem |
| 00:46.55 | Azar | Angeluz: Guerin is ol grumpy, he never appreciates the good things in life |
| 00:47.01 | abrotman | Guerin: eww |
| 00:47.03 | Eclipser | Azar, like what? |
| 00:47.08 | Guerin | Eclipser: I don't code. Like Mr Pink don't tip. |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | Guerin: then a) ... consider b) tomorrow |
| 00:47.18 | Azar | Eclipser: like nethack |
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| 00:47.28 | Eclipser | Guerin, I don't code either - for money that is :) |
| 00:47.39 | Eclipser | I'm still in the process of figuring out what I awnt to do for work |
| 00:47.45 | Angeluz | ;) |
| 00:47.47 | Azar | it is never fun to code for money |
| 00:47.51 | Eclipser | I have no rush, I've only been four years in the university |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | Eclipser: you have your own pole ? |
| 00:48.06 | Eclipser | abrotman, huh? |
| 00:48.11 | Guerin | been |
| 00:48.14 | Guerin | pole |
| 00:48.31 | Angeluz | Wow, that 2.6-kernel boots a lot faster on my old 233 pentium notebook. :) |
| 00:48.42 | Guerin | if you were confused, it would be ham and trousers |
| 00:48.45 | Guerin | not been and pole |
| 00:48.46 | abrotman | Eclipser: ask your roommate |
| 00:49.05 | Eclipser | does flatmate qualify as roommate |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:49.26 | Eclipser | ... he's been idling for 30 minutes and I don't want to walk to the other room |
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| 00:49.33 | Eclipser | I think he may be sleeping |
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| 00:50.30 | Azar | "What happened to Eclipser's roommate" that might be a good horror-movie title |
| 00:50.46 | Guerin | nope |
| 00:50.51 | Guerin | might make a good short story title |
| 00:51.00 | Guerin | film titles have to be ~4 words |
| 00:51.05 | Guerin | fewer is better |
| 00:51.05 | Eclipser | ha |
| 00:51.07 | Azar | front page news too |
| 00:51.19 | karsten | Guerin: "Fewer is Better" Now Playing! |
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| 00:51.44 | Eclipser | Guerin, there's a new standard, they're making movies named by numbers only |
| 00:51.51 | Guerin | karsten: think `roommate' the the r as a little smoking gun |
| 00:51.54 | karsten | "Now Hiring \nYoung Shakespeare In Love" |
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| 00:52.02 | Guerin | Eclipser: that's not new |
| 00:52.10 | dvs | "Fear and loathing in Las Vegas" |
| 00:52.20 | Guerin | dvs: book |
| 00:52.23 | karsten | dvs: Redundant. |
| 00:52.29 | karsten | Guerin: Movie too. |
| 00:52.32 | Eclipser | Guerin, true enough |
| 00:52.33 | dvs | karsten: heh |
| 00:52.33 | Angeluz | boring. :) |
| 00:52.37 | Guerin | karsten: movie of book. Doesn't count. |
| 00:52.41 | Eclipser | I really should go to sleep |
| 00:52.45 | Azar | book "How my roommate chocked while I was irc-ing on the next room" |
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| 00:52.59 | Juul | hi, I just did "aptitude install openssh-server ssh" on my new etch install and it doesn't get any further than: 33% [Working] |
| 00:53.08 | Guerin | Juul: kill it and try again |
| 00:53.13 | Juul | Guerin, tried that |
| 00:53.15 | Guerin | it occasionally just freaks |
| 00:53.16 | Juul | same result |
| 00:53.26 | BUMBACL0T | change mirror |
| 00:53.29 | Azar | Juul: try a better mirror |
| 00:53.29 | Guerin | Juul: does it download them? |
| 00:53.50 | Guerin | partially, I mean - check in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:53.58 | Guerin | woah |
| 00:53.58 | Juul | seems like it downloaded them |
| 00:54.03 | Juul | ah |
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| 00:54.39 | Guerin | abrotman: i did b) and got an email back *already* saying that they're considering chanmging the entrance requirements just for me. |
| 00:54.59 | Guerin | i guess that makes it time to do a) now |
| 00:55.10 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Guerin: that was a quick appeal :) |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | Guerin: can you add hookers and poker to a) ? |
| 00:55.39 | Guerin | karsten: /lastlog research |
| 00:55.56 | karsten | Guerin: Gotit. |
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| 00:56.01 | Guerin | abrotman: not quite. I can add poker and wife, which is ultimately better. |
| 00:56.11 | karsten | Is "trap : SIGCHILD" valid bash? |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | Guerin: better long term .. yes .. short term .. questionable :) |
| 00:56.54 | Guerin | abrotman: depends on the wife, I guess ;) |
| 00:57.04 | markybob | wife? geeks get married? |
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| 00:57.06 | abrotman | she's 5'7"!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:57.13 | karsten | erm, SIGCHLD |
| 00:57.22 | Guerin | markybob: *shock* |
| 00:57.32 | Guerin | abrotman: that she is. When standing upright. |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | markybob: maybe he's good at hiding it |
| 00:58.03 | markybob | Guerin: i thought that was only rich geeks...like bill gates or michael dell :) |
| 00:58.05 | markybob | abrotman: :) |
| 00:58.11 | militant | markybob: we do. and some of us have friggin HOT wives. i'm not one of them, however. but i am bitter and jealous about my geekiest friend's HOT wife. |
| 00:58.13 | militant | *Shrug* |
| 00:58.14 | militant | :P |
| 00:58.31 | Angeluz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.34 | Guerin | markybob: well, since I'm not a geek, I wouldn't know. |
| 00:58.53 | nok | i am using sid, the bash-doc package doesn't contain bash info archive?! anyone has the same problem? |
| 00:58.53 | karsten | markybob: For those of us without wives ... |
| 00:58.55 | Angeluz | So I'll get the women. ;) |
| 00:58.57 | karsten | markybob: ... there's abrotman. |
| 00:58.59 | markybob | haha |
| 00:59.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | !kick karsten |
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| 01:01.06 | grendal_prime | is there a command i can run to tell me what distro version debian is.. |
| 01:01.18 | Guerin | grendal_prime: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:01.21 | Guerin | just an idea |
| 01:01.24 | grendal_prime | that sounds like a stupid quetion but ive never had this problem before |
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| 01:01.33 | lupine_85 | lsb_release -a ? |
| 01:01.51 | lupine_85 | eeep, Description: Debian GNU/Linux unstable (sid) |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | !version |
| 01:01.59 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 01:02.07 | Guerin | lupine_85: i don't have that on mine. |
| 01:02.44 | Guerin | !find bin/lsb_release |
| 01:02.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsb_release' (1): (/usr/bin/lsb_release) in misc/lsb-release. |
| 01:02.59 | grendal_prime | 4.0 would be etch right? |
| 01:03.07 | Guerin | grendal_prime: correct. |
| 01:03.15 | grendal_prime | strange.. |
| 01:03.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:03.48 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman you ever had to deal with bindshell compromise? |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | no .. |
| 01:04.09 | zinx | dealing with rooted systems is easy |
| 01:04.15 | zinx | Reinstall. |
| 01:04.22 | lupine_85 | ah, I installed lsb at some point |
| 01:04.27 | abrotman | zinx: you make ti sound so trivial! |
| 01:04.32 | zinx | abrotman: :D |
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| 01:05.47 | grendal_prime | ya zinx thats what im looking at |
| 01:05.57 | grendal_prime | i really dont want to but oh well.. |
| 01:06.07 | zinx | it's the only option :/ |
| 01:06.53 | Nle | hm |
| 01:06.55 | Nle | wtf |
| 01:06.56 | grendal_prime | thing is i dont know for sure that was the case..aparently chkrootkit will report just a bad behaving app as bindshell compromize |
| 01:07.20 | zinx | grendal_prime: ah |
| 01:07.41 | Guerin | yes, chkrootkit does throw false-positives |
| 01:08.01 | Guerin | this is why the first thing you do it unplug the network, and the second thing you do is google ;) |
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| 01:11.25 | Juul | changing mirrors worked |
| 01:12.00 | vezult | is there a debian policy regarding the proper place for socket files? /var/run or something? |
| 01:12.21 | Guerin | !policy |
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| 01:12.21 | dpkg | policy is probably available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 01:12.32 | vezult | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:12.38 | Guerin | vezult: i'd infer so based on their location, but you shoudl check ;) |
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| 01:18.40 | vezult | either I'm (or google is) doing a lousy job at searching, or the policy manual doesn't refer to /var/run (only /var/run/utmp), socket, or pid at all |
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| 01:19.14 | Guerin | vezult: there may be no policy for it. |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | vezult: or you can ask #debian-mentors |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:26.45 | Juul | how does one choose the default audio output device in etch? |
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| 01:27.54 | aalex | hi. |
| 01:27.54 | Guerin | Juul: one doesn't, it's per-app |
| 01:27.59 | Angeluz | Was Xfce(4) on the Sarge-CD? |
| 01:28.10 | Juul | Guerin, but isn't there a gnome default one then? |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | Angeluz: there were like 13 sarge CDs |
| 01:28.29 | Guerin | Juul: probably. I don't do gnome. |
| 01:28.45 | Angeluz | The first one, used for the installation. |
| 01:28.47 | aalex | How can I know how much a Motherboard will be supported ? I should check out all its pieces and see if they are supported ? (such as integrated firewire plugs, integrated ethernet plug, integrated audio card, etc. ) ? |
| 01:29.09 | aalex | I am looking the MSI K9N SLI Platinum |
| 01:29.26 | markybob | isnt that an nforce board? |
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| 01:30.07 | Angeluz | Good night. |
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| 01:30.29 | aalex | markybob, nforce 4 |
| 01:30.32 | aalex | it seems |
| 01:30.39 | markybob | aalex: you'll be fine |
| 01:30.40 | bloodskin | who wants to help me kill nvidia |
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| 01:31.11 | aalex | markybob, have you got the same kind ? |
| 01:31.31 | markybob | aalex: no, i'm just familiar with the kernel. nforce4 is pretty well supported |
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| 01:31.36 | aalex | ok |
| 01:31.38 | staniel | hello |
| 01:31.51 | bloodskin | if i knew that debian amd64 was so complicated, i would have said screw it and stuck with windows |
| 01:32.00 | Guerin | bloodskin: just use i386 |
| 01:32.04 | bloodskin | yea |
| 01:32.05 | bloodskin | uh |
| 01:32.05 | staniel | Im trying to set up dual display, and I seem to have the secondary screen on the primary screen |
| 01:32.09 | bloodskin | the thing is |
| 01:32.13 | bloodskin | i dont have a burner |
| 01:32.13 | Guerin | bloodskin: 64bit is for video editors and database admins |
| 01:32.21 | bloodskin | and cant go back to windows to use the installer |
| 01:32.40 | Guerin | bloodskin: /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 01:32.58 | bloodskin | ty |
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| 01:36.48 | bloodskin | i wonder |
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| 01:42.48 | Azar | huh Guerin if I get a amd64 machine can I run it on 32? |
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| 01:42.52 | hybridiZe_ | hi |
| 01:43.07 | hybridiZe_ | does anyone here know anything about Trend IMSS, or knows someone who can assist? |
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| 01:49.59 | xjkx | lisensiate a software with GPL is just copy and paste that terms inside the software? |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:50.40 | xjkx | I mean, how do i feel my software is really licensed by GPL |
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| 01:50.51 | xjkx | Like protected so anyone would close the source |
| 01:51.10 | Gerat | drwahl: is the dr. in? |
| 01:51.18 | abrotman | you license it under the GPL .. if you think someone has violated your license .. you call them on it |
| 01:51.18 | xjkx | would not* |
| 01:51.53 | xjkx | abrotman thats what i mean "you license it" is just copy and paste that big text in about/readme ? :> that doesnt sound good |
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| 01:52.02 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 01:52.31 | Nemoder_ | xjkx: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html |
| 01:52.39 | Azar | is like you tell everyone that that software is under GPL protection |
| 01:52.56 | xjkx | what if my software is known only by me and a few people, they could make a better software, close the topic and noone would believe I done first |
| 01:53.33 | xjkx | the source* |
| 01:53.41 | Azar | xjkx: then you publish it under your name |
| 01:53.53 | thebillywayne | how can I limit my sudo time? currently, when I use sudo I'm given super user priviledges until I reboot. Do I need to edit /etc/sudoers.tmp? |
| 01:54.09 | xjkx | Azar mine yes, his closed source has his nam |
| 01:54.12 | xjkx | name |
| 01:54.29 | abrotman | and what does this have to do with debian ? |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | thebillywayne: i believe it's an option in the conf file |
| 01:54.43 | Azar | xjkx: is about timing, if you published it and licenced it first, is yours |
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| 01:55.15 | xjkx | the fact theres no gpl channel and 'you linuxers' seems to be really connected to free software, i am not really flamming just asking |
| 01:55.33 | kramed | Screen 1 "Screen1" LeftOf "Screen0 ? |
| 01:55.43 | Azar | I think I guess where he comes from |
| 01:55.46 | abrotman | thebillywayne: yes .. ti's in man sudoers |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | xjkx: there is a #gnu though |
| 01:56.02 | xjkx | Azar but noone would know i published first, "publish" is just putting it on the internet, but if its not popular, just a few people would know |
| 01:56.06 | xjkx | abrotman thanks |
| 01:56.12 | thebillywayne | abrotman, oh thank you. I was looking in man visudo. |
| 01:56.14 | hybridiZe_ | does anyone here know anything about Trend IMSS, or knows someone who can assist? |
| 01:56.21 | Azar | xjkx: unfortunately this is not the channels where we talk about this |
| 01:56.35 | nok | which debian package contains bash doc in info format? |
| 01:56.37 | xjkx | I thought there was no channel for it, I will bother there |
| 01:56.40 | Nemoder_ | xjkx: if you are in the USA you can register a copyright to get it on record (as proof you came up with it first) but as long as you can prove you wrote it then I don't think that it's necessary |
| 01:57.20 | xjkx | Nemoder_ no i dont live in the US, but then, if i prove, would he have to pay me? for closing my source? |
| 01:57.28 | abrotman | why didn't i become a meteorologist |
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| 01:57.34 | Regnad | xjkx: Print out the source code and have a lawyer stamp it with something official looking. |
| 01:57.56 | xjkx | I frankly don't believe it would work in my country |
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| 01:57.59 | abrotman | or he could ask #gnu |
| 01:58.07 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, parents didn't have money for college |
| 01:58.09 | xjkx | Will do |
| 01:58.19 | Nemoder_ | xjkx: that would be for the courts to decide |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: i went to college |
| 01:58.27 | Azar | Nemoder_: move it to #gnu |
| 01:58.32 | Nemoder_ | k |
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| 02:03.05 | abrotman | KLINGENS! |
| 02:03.56 | GeorgeS069 | HI folks.could someone point me to some documentation about setting up a debian system as an ethernet bridge with a firewall? |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | !bridge |
| 02:05.06 | dpkg | Bridges link two or more network segments that use the samenetwork technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same,i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not thesame on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reducenetwork traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater), andalso to link dissimilar network topologies that run the same networkprotocol. |
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| 02:05.16 | xjkx | abrotman gnu channel has a lot of bots only :> |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: you want bridge-utils and iptables |
| 02:05.35 | Azar | xjkx: maybe they don't like to heat up on the topic |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | xjkx: maybe try tomorrow morning |
| 02:06.12 | Azar | I take it you are not a linux-fan |
| 02:06.31 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: Ok...I figured as much but,all the docs I found were pretty old and made it sound very complicated. |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | i think there's a bridging howto |
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| 02:07.10 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bridge+Firewall.html |
| 02:07.36 | GeorgeS069 | I figure once I have the bridge working the firewall should be pretty simple...just block everything and then open up ports for stuff that don't work :) |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:08.06 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:08.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | those URLs might help too |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | that needs to be cleaned |
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| 02:09.33 | GeorgeS069 | hehehe...the tldp.org link is a how-to from 1997...I guess not much has really changed since then |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | guess i should have checked that date :) |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: oh . donh't read that |
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| 02:10.41 | abrotman | the bridge-utils has okay docs |
| 02:10.45 | GeorgeS069 | Well,ethernet is still ethernet....I just have to use ipchains now |
| 02:11.22 | markybob | you dont want ipchains. you want iptables |
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| 02:11.40 | GeorgeS069 | sorry...I always mix them up |
| 02:12.10 | GeorgeS069 | maybe when I'm done I'll write up a mini how-to based on etch |
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| 02:14.12 | GeorgeS069 | I grabbed a few cheap PC's from CompUSA(they are selling everything super cheap now) and one is gonna be my new bridge+firewall |
| 02:14.31 | markybob | GeorgeS069: that's what happens when you have to close 50% of your stores :) |
| 02:15.07 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: oh .. did they start the firesale ? |
| 02:15.27 | GeorgeS069 | was $29 for a full tower with 8 hot-swap scsi bays and a dual cpu daughterboard |
| 02:15.47 | Regnad | Why is it that when I quit out of less in an xterm the previous screen content is displayed, but |
| 02:15.54 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: Oh yeah.....better get there while they still have lights and shelves :) |
| 02:16.02 | Regnad | when I do so on the console nothing is restored? |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | eh .. crap |
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| 02:17.11 | GeorgeS069 | abrotman: mostly crap now but,I picked up some cheap wireless AP's that work pretty good and the 2 PC's at $29 |
| 02:17.23 | abrotman | maybe i'll go this weekend or friday after work |
| 02:17.42 | GeorgeS069 | Good deals on media like blank CD's and DVD's |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | games! |
| 02:17.58 | GeorgeS069 | bah...no good ones left |
| 02:18.02 | john | Hi everyone. Is it possible to install a 2.6.20 kernel with etch? The 2.6.18 works on this machine but will not shut down |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | !tell john about kp |
| 02:18.10 | rahul | MMZ and SB tomorrow! |
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| 02:18.50 | Azar | Regnad: interesting, I never have the content of a viewed file leftover after I exit the view |
| 02:19.07 | markybob | damn. 1terabyte external for $399 |
| 02:19.21 | Azar | the bigger the slower? |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | Azar: probably depends on your term |
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| 02:19.32 | Regnad | Azar: Not the content of the file less was viewing, but the content of the screen before less was invoked. |
| 02:19.34 | Azar | yeah could be |
| 02:19.46 | Azar | ah, scroll up? |
| 02:19.49 | john | abrobotman: how do these commands know which version of the kernel to install? |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | that's a new one |
| 02:20.01 | rahul | abrooooootman |
| 02:20.12 | Azar | Regnad: it scrolls up but only few screenfulls |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | john: it's how you compile your own kernel the debian way |
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| 02:21.09 | Azar | Regnad: ctrl+pgup? |
| 02:21.14 | rahul | Azar: you know that only turns me on |
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| 02:21.50 | Regnad | Say I do an "apropos something" and have a nice list of hits to investigate... |
| 02:22.19 | Regnad | While that list is still on the screen, I do a "man" of one of the hits (using less as the pager). |
| 02:22.26 | rahul | Departing: New York - Penn Station, NY (NYP) To Hartford, CT (HFD) woooooooooooo |
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| 02:22.52 | Regnad | If I do this in an xterm, I can exit man (less) and the previous output from apropos is still on the screen. |
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| 02:23.36 | Azar | Regnad: I would assume you can customize your bash to act in same manner like the xterm... never tried though.. |
| 02:23.37 | Regnad | If I do this on a console, the previous screen (with the apropos output) is not there... the pager just dumps me to the command prompt. |
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| 02:24.11 | Regnad | Azar: Ah, so the xterm is caching the screen content before man is invoked? |
| 02:24.15 | Azar | Regnad: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-shell.html see if you can get to change that behavior |
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| 02:24.46 | thebillywayne | sudo aptitude remove libasound2 |
| 02:24.53 | Azar | Regnad: for example... my xterm uses colors while my console not: though I could apply same feature to console if I want |
| 02:24.59 | thebillywayne | oops |
| 02:25.41 | rahul | what doesstoned have to do with this? |
| 02:26.06 | Regnad | Azar: I'll go check the tutorial. Thanks. |
| 02:26.43 | xiaomai | this may be a silly question, but i have a corrupted filesystem that fsck -y /dev/hda1 is seemingly unable to fix. i'd like to just delete the corrupted files by hand (most of them are just locales and other non-critical files), but i can't because of 'Cannot lstat: ... Input/Output error' . is there anyway around this? |
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| 02:27.14 | enouf | xiaomai: shutdown -rF |
| 02:27.29 | Azar | rahul: well, we have noticed that stoned is your mate.. so, we don't want to make him jealous |
| 02:28.01 | john | so does anyone know why sid shuts down on my laptop properly, but etch does not? It was actually sidux, and the only difference I can see is the kernel version. |
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| 02:28.22 | xiaomai | enouf: heh, what does that do? is -F even a valid parameter? |
| 02:28.25 | Azar | sidux is not debian as I recall? |
| 02:28.34 | Azar | it is? me looks around |
| 02:28.38 | john | sidux is debian sid with some xorg scripts |
| 02:28.39 | enouf | xiaomai: not for you, if not on Debian |
| 02:28.46 | magyar | where can i find info on "raidutils" usage and implementation? |
| 02:29.47 | rahul | !penixstrike Azar |
| 02:29.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Azar to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:29.48 | Azar | magyar: man page , info raidutils, /usr/share/doc .. if there, or google "raidutils on Debian howto" |
| 02:29.55 | enouf | magyar: pkgs mdadm, dmraid, dmsetup |
| 02:29.59 | Azar | :) yeee |
| 02:30.39 | Zeug | I would like sed to reformat some file paths from grep, and replace " " with "\ ". I use "sed s/" "/" "\\/g" and i get this error "sed: -e Expression #1, Line 8: unterminated `s' command" |
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| 02:30.44 | magyar | Azar: tried all that |
| 02:30.49 | xiaomai | enouf: ok, sorry... overlooked that. the problem w/ rebooting is that it's a remote system and so i can't reboot as i have no way of intervening. is there nothing that can be done to a live file-system? |
| 02:30.50 | thebillywayne | trying to compile alsa from source. returns error regarding libasound not newest version (>=1.0.12) while I'm certain that I have 1.0.13. Could anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:30.50 | Azar | !smooch rahul |
| 02:30.57 | Zeug | is there something special i have to do in order to use the \ character? |
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| 02:31.06 | abrotman | thebillywayne: why? |
| 02:31.06 | markybob | thebillywayne: install the dev package |
| 02:31.08 | Azar | magyar: enouf hit it better |
| 02:31.27 | thebillywayne | abrotman, sound doesn't work. only in left, then when I adjust volume, it dies. |
| 02:31.31 | thebillywayne | thx markybob |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:31.40 | Azar | Zeug: use escape sequences |
| 02:31.51 | magyar | Azar: well i have no software raid, not really |
| 02:32.26 | Zeug | Azar: \\ = \ when escaped? |
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| 02:32.31 | thebillywayne | worked markybob. thank you. perhaps I can hear hendrix now. :D |
| 02:32.36 | Azar | yes |
| 02:32.37 | markybob | np |
| 02:32.45 | nzk | My install failed at "installing packages" on a i386 system |
| 02:32.49 | Zeug | Azar, thats what i did, and it didn't like it. |
| 02:32.52 | Azar | \\ for \ and \" for " |
| 02:33.22 | Azar | Zeug: that for C, dunno on bash scripting |
| 02:33.44 | rahul | sed s/\ /\\\ /g |
| 02:33.53 | rahul | or "s/ /\\ /g" |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | rahul: all that just for a \ ? man! I love C |
| 02:34.49 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:35.19 | stew | rahul: either 's/ /\\ /g' or "s/ /\\\\ /g" |
| 02:35.43 | rahul | why so many for single quotes? |
| 02:35.55 | rahul | oh, because sed needs to see them, too |
| 02:36.15 | stew | with no quotes or double quotes \\ is interpreted by the shell as an escaped \ so the shell turns \\\\ into \\ |
| 02:36.33 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:36.43 | stew | single quotes tell the shell to leave it |
| 02:36.44 | rahul | and then sed sees \\, which it treats as \ |
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| 02:42.55 | thebillywayne | nope no hendrix. phooey. |
| 02:43.02 | thebillywayne | any chance if I upgrade to lenny I'll be able to get sound working? |
| 02:43.16 | thebillywayne | we'll see, eh? |
| 02:43.44 | Zeug | can i have a for loop within a for loop? |
| 02:43.57 | \amethyst | Zeug: probably. what language? |
| 02:43.57 | markybob | thebillywayne: google your audio device and see if you can find solutions |
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| 02:44.02 | aubade | The heck do you figure out the amperature of a supply? |
| 02:44.16 | Zeug | \amethyst, shell |
| 02:44.22 | \amethyst | Zeug: yes, you can |
| 02:44.23 | bonez41 | anyone know if oocalc is going by some newer name now? I can't seem to open it on my system |
| 02:44.27 | nn-laptop | i just boght filebin.info can you see if it works yet |
| 02:44.28 | thebillywayne | markybob, I have. normally need to compile alsa from source. it's not working this time. |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | aubade: ask #hardware ? |
| 02:44.34 | enouf | aubade: amperage |
| 02:44.49 | enouf | aubade: easy .. look up hte specs |
| 02:44.52 | aubade | A blush and a nod, wrong channel. |
| 02:45.03 | markybob | thebillywayne: that doesnt even make sense. compiling from source does nothing different than installing the package from apt unless you apply some kind of patch or do something else to it |
| 02:45.04 | \amethyst | Zeug: for x in `seq 0 9`; do for y in `seq 0 9`; do echo $x$y; done; done |
| 02:45.23 | thebillywayne | markybob, sorry. it's worked before. |
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| 02:47.57 | enouf | thebillywayne: dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source ? |
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| 02:48.22 | thebillywayne | enouf, thx. i'll try that. :) |
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| 02:49.26 | enouf | thebillywayne: also .. dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 02:49.47 | thebillywayne | enouf, alsa seems to always have had trouble with my intel. |
| 02:50.28 | TolstoyInlove | how can i disable detecting floppy in debian installe? did any parameter exist? |
| 02:51.22 | Zeug | i have a folder with a bunch of other folders on various levels containing jpg photos. i use find | grep -v -i .jpg | sed "s/ /\\\ /g" for for, and somehow the backslashes that i had sed insert get stripped out. |
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| 02:52.26 | abrotman | can't you just use rename ? |
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| 02:53.22 | dondelelcaro | you really, really want to use find+xargs+rename |
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| 02:53.28 | dondelelcaro | anything else is just insane |
| 02:53.44 | gOLdenHaWK3D | hi all |
| 02:54.03 | Zeug | here's what i'm using here: http://www.vanness.ws/temp/watermark.sh |
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| 02:54.26 | Azar | hahaha andreas barth criticising ....tu and Shuttleworth asked about goes: ..again, hard for me to respond, i can't read the german. |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | that was useful .. thanks |
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| 02:55.21 | Azar | .."we have brought debian millions of new users".. |
| 02:55.26 | stoned | hey |
| 02:55.30 | Azar | mister stoned!! |
| 02:55.34 | stoned | rahul: you mentioned my nick? |
| 02:55.39 | stoned | miss Azar |
| 02:55.41 | stoned | :) |
| 02:55.47 | Azar | aw touchy |
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| 02:56.07 | rahul | feely? |
| 02:56.11 | rahul | stoned: hm? |
| 02:56.15 | rahul | MMZ SB? |
| 02:56.58 | dondelelcaro | Zeug: why not just copy the directories and use mogrify? then you can just use find . -type f -iname '*.jpg' -print0|xargs -n 1 mogrify -compose ...; etc. |
| 02:57.21 | stoned | touchy no |
| 02:57.28 | Azar | dam lies, lies lies |
| 02:57.30 | stoned | pullin an azar leg yes |
| 02:57.39 | Zeug | dondelelcaro, i'd like to preserve the directory structure |
| 02:57.44 | stoned | rahul: you said what does stoned have to do with this? before I DC |
| 02:57.51 | Azar | stoned: no I was reading the shuttleworth interview |
| 02:57.51 | dondelelcaro | Zeug: that's why you copy the directories and use mogrify |
| 02:58.16 | stoned | rahul: is it normal for internet to slow down at night time in nyc |
| 02:58.19 | Azar | stoned: rahul tried a move on me |
| 02:58.33 | stoned | I've noticed lately I get 1.x mbit /s from rr at night time |
| 02:58.44 | rahul | stoned: yeah, everyone's home |
| 02:58.47 | stoned | and during day its like really blazing fast, around 9-10mbit |
| 02:58.47 | abrotman | cable is a shared medium |
| 02:58.52 | stoned | i figured as much |
| 02:58.59 | stoned | it wasnot like this in oklahoma or baton rouge |
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| 02:59.09 | abrotman | they have internet in oklahoma ? |
| 02:59.15 | stoned | but i guess too many people live in... lol abrotman |
| 02:59.36 | enouf | rr in ny? where? |
| 02:59.45 | abrotman | !rfc1149 |
| 02:59.45 | dpkg | from memory, rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 02:59.45 | xiaomai | exit |
| 02:59.46 | Azar | enouf: for long... |
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| 02:59.52 | dondelelcaro | (or do something like for a in "$(find . -type f -iname '*.jpg')"; do mkdir -p "$(dirname $a)/out"; composite ... "$a" "$(dirname $a)/out/$(basename $a)" |
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| 02:59.59 | dondelelcaro | but that's really ugly |
| 03:00.23 | abrotman | is that really that old .. jeez |
| 03:00.27 | enouf | cable sucks though, for sharing, saturation |
| 03:00.37 | rahul | enouf: where not rr? |
| 03:00.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: what article? |
| 03:00.56 | enouf | rahul: oo here , no rr |
| 03:00.56 | rahul | DSL saturates just as much, really |
| 03:00.58 | Zeug | will mogrify just overwrite the existing image? |
| 03:01.06 | Azar | http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week dondelecaro scroll down at Wednesday |
| 03:01.08 | rahul | enouf: oh, in the sticks |
| 03:01.19 | rahul | it's all rr in nyc |
| 03:01.22 | enouf | rahul: er, no |
| 03:01.38 | Azar | here in Cyberia we got the best providers, best bandwidth.. |
| 03:01.39 | rahul | well, a little rcn |
| 03:02.24 | nzk | How do I set up ssh? |
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| 03:02.39 | abrotman | Azar: which question ? |
| 03:02.54 | enouf | rahul: timewarner/aol = rr .. anywhere decent = oo |
| 03:02.59 | abrotman | oh.. nm |
| 03:03.05 | stoned | i love the cox |
| 03:03.07 | stoned | i mean |
| 03:03.09 | stoned | cox comm. |
| 03:03.10 | rahul | enouf: decent? as in not in the city |
| 03:03.13 | stoned | great isp I tell ya |
| 03:03.15 | rahul | sure you do |
| 03:03.26 | Azar | abrotman: which question what? |
| 03:03.28 | stoned | rahul: you're one to talk eh, you love the penix |
| 03:03.30 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:03.34 | rahul | heh |
| 03:03.36 | enouf | rahul: you're a smart one ;-) |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | i see it |
| 03:04.00 | rahul | enouf: shrug. I'm not scared of having people near me :) |
| 03:04.01 | Azar | makes me vomit at the large amount of lies he says |
| 03:04.04 | Zeug | it looks like my main problem in my script is cd'ing to directories with spaces in them. |
| 03:04.11 | rahul | enouf: and rr means you actually get a choice of ISPs |
| 03:04.19 | \amethyst | Zeug: Instead of doing your funny sed stuff at the beginning... |
| 03:04.20 | Zeug | how might i get past this? I try cd "$dir", and that does nothing |
| 03:04.21 | Malf | nzk: What do you mean by set up ssh? Are you talking about running the daemon on your machine so others can connect or are you asking about configuration? |
| 03:04.21 | rahul | oo doesn't have any other ISPs |
| 03:04.31 | nzk | So that others can connect |
| 03:04.33 | Malf | or something else entirely |
| 03:04.40 | Zeug | \amethyst, even when i use a plain ls, it won't cd into them |
| 03:04.44 | enouf | yeah? wha choice .. slow or slower? |
| 03:04.46 | \amethyst | Zeug: just do for dir in `find -type d` Then, whenever you refer to $dir, put it in quotes |
| 03:04.49 | Azar | man I use covad for the past four years, is the best, pricey but the best |
| 03:04.54 | rahul | Zeug: what on earth are you trying to do? |
| 03:05.01 | stoned | rahul: all 3 of my knephews were going on and on about how cool Aero/Vista is and blah blah blah.. I got my nvidia card installed in my p4 box, fired up aiglx/beryl and they were like OMG we want linux.. |
| 03:05.06 | stoned | kids i tell ya |
| 03:05.10 | rahul | haha |
| 03:05.18 | Zeug | rahul, i'm trying to watermark a bunch of images |
| 03:05.19 | Malf | nzk: Well step one would be apt-get instal openssh-server |
| 03:05.19 | nzk | stoned, they don't know how to use linux |
| 03:05.32 | stoned | nzk: they were like, yeh it looks easy to use.. you just point and click |
| 03:05.32 | nzk | i think the installer cd installed that |
| 03:05.33 | rahul | Zeug: why do you need to ls and cd for that? |
| 03:05.34 | \amethyst | Zeug: you want the watermarked versions to replace the originals? |
| 03:05.35 | nzk | i saw it flash by |
| 03:05.51 | Zeug | \amethyst, yes |
| 03:05.51 | nzk | stoned, how old were they? |
| 03:05.51 | \amethyst | Zeug: do you want to keep the origs around at all? |
| 03:05.51 | stoned | I was like, man, i tried to explain to them linux was not what it seems.. but they are morons |
| 03:05.51 | rahul | Zeug: use zsh. for file in **/*.jpeg or whatever |
| 03:06.02 | stoned | nzk: 21, 18, 15 |
| 03:06.06 | nzk | Oh |
| 03:06.08 | nzk | I'm 14 |
| 03:06.20 | stoned | yeh but they are all tools |
| 03:06.26 | rahul | heh |
| 03:06.28 | rahul | tools |
| 03:06.33 | Zeug | \amethyst, i have to submit a collection of photos to some people for a slideshow, and i don't want them having the originals without them being watermarked first |
| 03:06.34 | nzk | I know those kinds of people |
| 03:06.41 | nzk | Malf, after that? |
| 03:06.42 | Zeug | i'm still keeping the non-watermarked ones |
| 03:06.58 | Malf | nzk: Is sshd running? |
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| 03:07.07 | stoned | I got 1 key/mouse on my main desktop from which I control 3 pc's they were like omg omg! what the hell! |
| 03:07.08 | rahul | Zeug: so what is the problem? |
| 03:07.30 | rahul | Zeug: or find -name \*.jpeg -exec watermark '{}' \; |
| 03:07.31 | stoned | synergy is the shizboo |
| 03:07.42 | rahul | stoned: it crashes a lot |
| 03:07.47 | \amethyst | Zeug: maybe find -name '*.jpg' | while read file; do cp "$file" "$file.orig.jpg"; composite /home/scot/tmp/2.png -gravity NorthEast "$file.orig.jpg" "$file"; done |
| 03:07.50 | stoned | never once man |
| 03:07.51 | stoned | ever |
| 03:07.52 | TolstoyInlove | how can i disable detecting floppy in debian installe? did any parameter exist? |
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| 03:08.16 | dondelelcaro | TolstoyInlove: the expert mode has the stuff not to load the floppy modules, iirc. |
| 03:08.20 | \amethyst | Zeug: which still has problems with newlines, so maybe what rahul suggests (where watermark is a script) |
| 03:08.20 | stoned | TolstoyInlove: yeh, I think its expert install and it will let you select/unselect it |
| 03:08.41 | nn-2 | hi all |
| 03:08.45 | stoned | hi |
| 03:09.02 | stoned | Khaz Modan |
| 03:09.09 | \amethyst | Zeug: that should be find . -name '*.jpg' |
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| 03:09.51 | Zeug | i'm going to try ignoring all the directory change stuff, and just feeding imagemagick the full paths to the images and just replacing them |
| 03:09.59 | Zeug | after making a copy of my collection, of course |
| 03:10.00 | \amethyst | Zeug: whenever you have a shell variable holding a filename, you should quote it when it's used |
| 03:10.05 | rahul | !penixstrike Zeug |
| 03:10.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Zeug to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:10.09 | rahul | duh! :) |
| 03:10.25 | vinicius | Every time i boot i need to run 'alsaconf' to my sound to work, even running 'alsactl store'. What's the problem? |
| 03:10.47 | nzk | Malf, I don't know |
| 03:10.52 | Malf | nzk: ps aux | grep sshd |
| 03:10.52 | nzk | i did apt-get install sshd server |
| 03:10.54 | TolstoyInlove | dondelelcaro, stoned thanks , i wil test expert mode. |
| 03:10.57 | Malf | see if it returns a line with like |
| 03:10.58 | rahul | alsactl only saves mixer settings I thought |
| 03:11.00 | Malf | /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 03:11.02 | Malf | or something to that effect |
| 03:11.31 | vinicius | Malf, so, what do I have to do to load it at boot? |
| 03:11.51 | Malf | vinicius: sorry. I was talking to nzk about something else |
| 03:11.54 | vinicius | Malf, this means, when I boot i see a 'Loadin ALSA...' message, but there's no sound before 'alsaconf' |
| 03:12.03 | vinicius | Malf, no problem =) |
| 03:12.25 | rahul | I'm so glad I don't depend on random module loading crapware to have my system work |
| 03:12.36 | nzk | yess |
| 03:12.37 | nzk | it works |
| 03:12.37 | nzk | thankjs |
| 03:12.38 | rahul | in fact, the random module loading crapware breaks my system heh |
| 03:12.49 | Malf | nzk: sweet |
| 03:12.53 | Zeug | for some strange reason, it's interpreting spaces as new lines |
| 03:13.06 | rahul | Zeug: no, it's interpreting whitespace as whitespace |
| 03:13.17 | rahul | Zeug: use find -exec!! |
| 03:13.29 | stoned | rahul: i got pulled over today |
| 03:13.35 | rahul | stoned: good job heh |
| 03:13.41 | nn-2 | someone join #test at srv256.homelinux.net |
| 03:13.44 | stoned | I asked the cop, hey man, how come you let all the white people pass and not me.. wtf is with this shit? |
| 03:13.45 | rahul | you were driving too slowly? |
| 03:13.54 | stoned | security random thing |
| 03:13.56 | stoned | i dunno |
| 03:14.00 | rahul | wtf |
| 03:14.04 | Azar | no he died his skin |
| 03:14.15 | Azar | in purpose |
| 03:14.30 | rahul | security? |
| 03:14.32 | stoned | I flat out told him in his face, I was like here is my license, registration, and insurance security verification. |
| 03:14.38 | rahul | that's fucking racism |
| 03:14.41 | stoned | rahul: they were doing a random security check |
| 03:14.45 | stoned | I was like dude this is fucked up |
| 03:14.49 | Malf | vinicius: yeah I'd say do an lsmod before and after running alsaconf to see what modules it's loading |
| 03:14.55 | Azar | maybe you look like a terrorist? |
| 03:14.57 | nzk | Malf, will it start upon boot or do ineed to modify something |
| 03:14.59 | rahul | AND it's illegal search and seizure |
| 03:15.01 | stoned | he hesitated clearly, and then said oh cuz you have oklahoma plates |
| 03:15.03 | Zeug | what i mean is that when for gets a list of folders, it thinks that the spaces in the folder names are seporators indicating 2 different folders, when it's really just 1 folder with a space in the name. |
| 03:15.12 | Malf | nzk: It should start on boot unless you changed something after it installed |
| 03:15.13 | stoned | thats why i stopped you |
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| 03:15.17 | rahul | right, people from oklahoma are a security threat |
| 03:15.23 | cooner750 | hello |
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| 03:15.30 | stoned | I was not even pissed off man |
| 03:15.32 | stoned | not angry |
| 03:15.41 | stoned | I mean this was just so outright racist |
| 03:15.43 | stoned | I was in shock |
| 03:15.52 | stoned | just disbelief |
| 03:15.53 | cooner750 | I forgot to select Web Server during install. Is there any way to do that now? Or do I have to install the packages seperately? (apache, php, etc...) |
| 03:16.05 | rahul | fucking pigs. |
| 03:16.14 | rahul | there are two kinds of thugs in this world |
| 03:16.20 | rahul | criminals and cops. |
| 03:16.35 | Malf | nzk: basically as long as you didn't touch the ssh startup script in /etc/init.d it should start up on boot |
| 03:16.39 | Zeug | is there any way to make for only interpret new lines as new lines? |
| 03:16.42 | Azar | cooner750: I guess you have to install |
| 03:16.42 | \amethyst | cooner750: run tasksel |
| 03:16.46 | Zeug | or am i missing something? |
| 03:16.51 | rahul | Zeug: find -exec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 03:16.57 | \amethyst | Zeug: What does the script look like right now? |
| 03:16.58 | Azar | yea what \amethyst said :) |
| 03:17.21 | rahul | cooner750: why would the web sever task install php anyway? |
| 03:17.32 | rahul | cooner750: tasks are at the bottom of aptitude's list, btw |
| 03:17.34 | Azar | mannnn I would love to see what andreas barth has to say about that |
| 03:17.34 | stoned | ok now that i think about it, now im getting pissed |
| 03:17.41 | Zeug | http://www.vanness.ws/temp/watermark.txt |
| 03:17.43 | Azar | dondelelcaro: you gonna show him? |
| 03:17.58 | itchi | lighttpd is that build with PHP support? |
| 03:18.11 | stoned | man i shoulda noted that cops badge number or precint # and shoulda done something about this is ridiculous |
| 03:18.14 | stoned | I don't even look arab |
| 03:18.22 | stoned | there are like thousands of indian people here |
| 03:18.24 | stoned | wtf |
| 03:18.24 | rahul | stoned: yeah, seriosuly |
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| 03:18.35 | stoned | GRR. |
| 03:18.38 | cooner750 | It's working so far |
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| 03:18.43 | Azar | stoned: were you wearing a turban? |
| 03:18.48 | rahul | heh |
| 03:18.51 | stoned | lol |
| 03:18.58 | cooner750 | dosent look to pretty over SSH but it works |
| 03:18.59 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.03 | rahul | \ |
| 03:19.06 | rahul | erg |
| 03:19.13 | Zeug | how exactly do i use find exec? |
| 03:19.24 | rahul | Zeug: I told you already.... |
| 03:19.43 | Azar | Zeug: find is a command |
| 03:19.50 | Malf | itchi: I think you need phpX-cgi installed or something like that but it should support it as long as you have the right php stuff installed |
| 03:20.22 | \amethyst | Zeug: find -name \*.jpg -exec composite /home/scott/tmp/2.png -gravity NorthEast {} {} \; |
| 03:20.30 | Zeug | no i mean when i do find -exec, what variable do i use for the filename? |
| 03:20.34 | Zeug | {}? |
| 03:20.39 | cooner750 | lol, "It works!" |
| 03:20.41 | \amethyst | yes |
| 03:20.45 | Zeug | ah |
| 03:20.49 | Zeug | thats all i was wondering |
| 03:20.49 | \amethyst | Zeug: The problem is that for splits its arguments on spaces |
| 03:21.12 | \amethyst | so it looks like for img in File.txt File with Spaces.txt; .... |
| 03:21.18 | itchi | Malf: Yeah, i'm probably missing some stuff here |
| 03:21.20 | Zeug | what does the \; at the end do? |
| 03:21.43 | \amethyst | Zeug: that tells find that you are ending the -exec |
| 03:21.46 | Malf | itchi: Yeah I only configured lighttpd once quite some time ago so I'm a bit rusty on it |
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| 03:22.08 | rahul | \amethyst: for doesn't |
| 03:22.20 | rahul | well, for doesn't if you use shell globbing |
| 03:22.54 | \amethyst | Yeah, I should say that `` splits command output into words |
| 03:23.07 | \amethyst | whereas a glob produces one word per file |
| 03:23.21 | Zeug | can i split it into lines somehow? |
| 03:23.35 | rahul | just use find -exec!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!12@!~!@~~#`132`12`13 |
| 03:23.38 | \amethyst | Zeug: split a long command line? |
| 03:24.01 | Zeug | meh, i'll just use find -exec |
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| 03:24.05 | \amethyst | Zeug: if you put \ as the last character of the line (no trailing space after it!), the next line will be a continuation |
| 03:24.09 | Zeug | no need to overcomplicate |
| 03:24.15 | \amethyst | Zeug: Ah, I see what you're asking |
| 03:24.41 | Zeug | ...and i spent 2 hours working on this script |
| 03:24.48 | Zeug | all to have it ruined by for :( |
| 03:24.57 | \amethyst | Zeug: You can do that by piping the output of find to a while read loop, but -exec is better here |
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| 03:26.53 | nzk | how do i upgrade the packages? |
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| 03:28.21 | xjkx | Hello. I have a problem. Sometimes i go to some debian machines that havent eclipse, and it sucks to download it everytime, I would like to have it READY on my pendrive so I could copy and paste it to debian, install and be happy |
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| 03:28.55 | xjkx | but the package dependencies thing are crazy |
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| 03:29.50 | rahul | uh |
| 03:29.56 | rahul | xjkx: apt-proxy? |
| 03:30.00 | gOLdenHaWK3D | xjkx: wouldnt the deb package help you? |
| 03:30.06 | Azar | xjkx: package/software dependencies happen on any OS |
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| 03:30.21 | rahul | installing eclipse on windows is a pain, too |
| 03:30.29 | rahul | (as is using it, fwiw) |
| 03:30.43 | nvz | xjkx: this just manages them for you in a uniform way instead of each package doing it randomly different |
| 03:30.50 | nzk | How do I update debian? Apt-get update? Or what? |
| 03:31.12 | Azar | nzk: update for what? from a version to another? or security updates? |
| 03:31.22 | nzk | nevermind |
| 03:31.22 | itchi | Is php4 configured with --enable-fastcgi ? Or how can i check that? |
| 03:31.29 | nzk | php -v |
| 03:31.30 | nvz | xjkx: on windows for example it's always been an issue.. does this need vb4 or vb6, dx6, or dx9.. does it provide it or do I have to.. |
| 03:31.30 | stoned | hey nvz |
| 03:31.41 | Azar | misterrrr nvz :) |
| 03:31.43 | nvz | stoned: hey |
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| 03:32.05 | itchi | I not find any info in the lighttpd docs, nor in the PHP. So i suspect that it is not enabled |
| 03:32.10 | stoned | nvz: what you doin |
| 03:32.23 | nvz | listening to MC Hammer, don't ask |
| 03:32.46 | stoned | Can't touch this....danananananna da na na |
| 03:32.57 | nzk | Argh |
| 03:33.00 | nzk | I can't install php5 |
| 03:33.05 | nzk | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 03:33.05 | nzk | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 03:33.06 | nzk | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.06 | nvz | yeah thats what I was lookin for, but only found new stuff |
| 03:34.00 | nzk | How do I install stuff as a normal user? |
| 03:34.11 | Azar | nzk: su then root password |
| 03:34.19 | jager | sudo ftw |
| 03:34.25 | Azar | jager: eh I use su |
| 03:34.29 | nzk | i...get it |
| 03:34.31 | nzk | su super user |
| 03:34.32 | nzk | do |
| 03:34.35 | Azar | isnt the same thing? |
| 03:34.36 | jager | sudo su ;) |
| 03:34.37 | nzk | super user do <this> |
| 03:34.49 | Azar | ah I see.. |
| 03:34.53 | nzk | i pronounce is as soo-doh |
| 03:34.59 | jager | su turns you into the superuser |
| 03:35.08 | jager | sudo executes one command as the superuser |
| 03:35.10 | nzk | su -m if you wanna keep the shell :) |
| 03:35.14 | Azar | you need root pass for both? |
| 03:35.21 | nzk | php5 wont install! |
| 03:35.30 | nzk | It says 'this and that not found on PATH' |
| 03:35.35 | Azar | nzk: uh maybe is not ment for your versions? |
| 03:35.39 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: no, you just need root pass for executing su |
| 03:35.40 | jager | sudo will prompt for your passwd but you have to be setup as a sudoer in /etc/sudoers |
| 03:35.47 | nvz | you are either a really big idiot or trolling #debian |
| 03:35.48 | nzk | Azar, what do you mean |
| 03:35.53 | nzk | php doesnt work on debian |
| 03:35.54 | gOLdenHaWK3D | Azar: sudo works with normal user pass |
| 03:35.55 | nzk | ? |
| 03:36.04 | nvz | I suspect the latter |
| 03:36.13 | gOLdenHaWK3D | nvz: try it |
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| 03:36.15 | jager | hehe |
| 03:36.15 | Azar | nzk: not sure but certain php versions work on certain debian/kernel versions... |
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| 03:36.23 | nvz | gOLdenHaWK3D: try what? |
| 03:36.25 | stoned | who? |
| 03:36.31 | Azar | you? |
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| 03:36.36 | jager | what? |
| 03:36.37 | stoned | what? |
| 03:36.39 | nvz | stoned: you. :) |
| 03:36.41 | gOLdenHaWK3D | nvz: u were suspecting something, i think! :O |
| 03:36.44 | stoned | me? |
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| 03:36.46 | stoned | troll? |
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| 03:36.51 | stoned | you gotta be shittin me |
| 03:36.51 | jager | hehe |
| 03:37.09 | sid | My laptop hasn't booted for a few weeks now. |
| 03:37.14 | stoned | I should probably do !ops I am trolling |
| 03:37.15 | Azar | stoned: I like this game |
| 03:37.15 | stoned | lol |
| 03:37.21 | nzk | Azar, its CURRENT i386 |
| 03:37.23 | stoned | Azar: which game |
| 03:37.24 | jager | oughta fix that eh? |
| 03:37.32 | sid | ever since etch released, I was using sid. And I did a dist-upgrade... and I have encrypted partition(main partition) |
| 03:37.35 | Azar | nzk: debian 4.0? kernel 2.6.18? |
| 03:37.40 | nzk | yes an dyes |
| 03:37.43 | sid | Anyone know about a known bug/fix for this? |
| 03:37.45 | Azar | stoned: the who / you |
| 03:37.48 | Taa5i | Hello. I am running debian stable etch on a laptop with a pcmcia usb hub card that should add two usb ports. When I plug in the card everything seems to show up correctly but insertin devicees always fails with error -110 and device not accepting an address. Ideas please? |
| 03:37.55 | Taa5i | I've already read the linux-usb FAQ |
| 03:38.16 | Azar | nzk: well let's take a look... |
| 03:38.26 | nvz | Azar: don't feed information, let them provide it.. that person has been here for an hour and not made one bit of sense yet /lastlog |
| 03:38.44 | nvz | Azar: sounds like me ffs |
| 03:39.05 | Azar | nzk: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p6 < ? maybe helps |
| 03:39.16 | nzk | oh cool |
| 03:39.21 | Azar | nvz: yeah I didn't want to sound rude.. |
| 03:39.47 | Azar | yeah nzk next time you need something help us to help you: give info |
| 03:40.03 | nzk | ok thanks |
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| 03:43.37 | Taa5i | I am running debian stable etch on a laptop with a pcmcia usb hub card that adds two usb ports. When I plug in the card everything seems to show up correctly but insertin devices always fails with error -110 and device not accepting an address. I have read the linux-usb FAQ to no avail. |
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| 03:44.23 | sid | What is the default encryption for etch? for partition encryption. |
| 03:44.27 | sid | Is it using cryptsetup? |
| 03:45.33 | Amarande | ok, which package contains the MS TTF fonts? |
| 03:45.46 | sid | Amarande: It's in the contrib section |
| 03:45.48 | Amarande | I'm getting a little tired of bum ugly fonts in iceweasel :| |
| 03:45.49 | sid | !tell Amarande about contrib |
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| 03:45.57 | Amarande | sid, you don't remember the name, do you? |
| 03:46.19 | \amethyst | msttcorefonts |
| 03:46.25 | dondelelcaro | Amarande: it's msttcorefonts, and yes, almost everyone here knows the name. |
| 03:46.29 | dolmans | I'm using gtkpod on etch, how to sort the audio files order in ipod video? |
| 03:46.37 | dondelelcaro | an apt-cache search ms fonts; would have located it for you. |
| 03:47.00 | sid | dondelelcaro: You know about any nasty sid bugs? |
| 03:47.17 | dondelelcaro | sid: I know about roughly 100000 of them |
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| 03:47.33 | sid | dondelelcaro: relating to encrypted partitions? and the system not booting |
| 03:48.12 | dondelelcaro | sid: that's all kernel issues |
| 03:48.20 | seriouslycgi | ok so im only asking because i cant find it with google.... how do i start sshd on default etch install? |
| 03:48.39 | dondelelcaro | sid: most likely the right module didn't get built or shoved into the initrd if it's a root filesystem |
| 03:48.43 | sid | aes? |
| 03:48.50 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: install openssh-server |
| 03:49.20 | seriouslycgi | dondelelcaro, is it not install in the base system? |
| 03:49.35 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: no, it's not in base |
| 03:49.47 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: but if you chose any reasonable task it tends to get installed |
| 03:50.20 | seriouslycgi | ok seems its wasnt installed so thanks lol i guess that solves that problem |
| 03:50.23 | dondelelcaro | things that are in Section: base Essential: yes; are "OMG THERES NO WAY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PACKAGE" kind of packages. sshd is not that kind of package |
| 03:50.27 | \amethyst | dolmans: ctrl-s |
| 03:50.50 | sid | dondelelcaro: I'm in knoppix right now, trying to fix debian. to mount an encrypted partition.. it's "cryptsetup create foo /dev/hdc5" .. <insert pass>, mount /dev/mapper/foo /blah; no? |
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| 03:51.00 | dondelelcaro | sid: I actually don't know |
| 03:51.15 | seriouslycgi | thanks dondelelcaro, i was ready to kick windows out the door lol |
| 03:51.22 | dondelelcaro | seriouslycgi: np; good luck |
| 03:51.24 | \amethyst | dolmans: you sort it in gtkpod then do "Save displayed track order" |
| 03:51.46 | dolmans | \amethyst: yes, i can use ctrl-s to sort,but i cannot sync it to ipod |
| 03:52.13 | dolmans | I dunnot why the "Save displayed track order" dosn't work |
| 03:52.31 | resudaed | hi, having a strange problem with usb (fresh install, etch). Linux is only detecting devices plugged in at boot time (and then disconnected), but if a device is inserted after boot time, nothing happens (nothing in dmesg either). Any ideas? |
| 03:53.32 | resudaed | also kind of annoying because I only have wireless lan here, and havn't got it working yet |
| 03:53.57 | sid | .. when Debian loads and I put in my LUKS passphrase, it tells me "key slot 0 unlocked." /n "Command successful" /n "cryptsetup: failed to setup lvm device" /n "Done" /n "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
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| 03:54.01 | sid | and it just hangs there forever |
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| 03:54.52 | Taa5i | resudaed: You may have to rmmod your wifi usb driver before you unplug it, I had that problem for a while. |
| 03:55.23 | dolmans | \amethyst:: and every time i sync, i got a 'Failed to save /media/usbdisk/iPod_Control/Artwork/ArtworkDB' error |
| 03:55.41 | Azar | resudaed: what PC you got? |
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| 03:55.46 | \amethyst | dolmans: I get the same ArtworkDB error |
| 03:55.49 | resudaed | wifi isn't usb, the usb device I am using is a generic mass storage device (the wifi issue is kind of unrelated except that I am using the sneaker network protocol to copy files) |
| 03:56.26 | dolmans | \amethyst: but you could save the sorted order in ipod? |
| 03:56.41 | resudaed | Azar : IBM thinkpad 600x (PIII 500, USB 1.1 (known working) |
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| 03:57.39 | sid | ok it stopped hanging and I got "Done." /n "ALERT! /dev/mapper/lalaland-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell!" /n "Check your root= boot argument (cat /proc/cmdline)" /n "Check for missing modules (cat /proc/modules), or device files (ls /dev) |
| 03:58.06 | sid | ok, cat /proc/modules shows "aes" listed, that's the important one I believe. |
| 03:58.27 | dolmans | and my situation is, i add some new files(already sorted) to ipod, but the list is massed up in ipod. |
| 03:58.41 | sid | /proc/cmdline shows "root=/dev/mapper/lalaland-root ro vga=791 single" |
| 03:58.51 | nvz | dolmans: already sorted how? |
| 03:59.07 | nvz | dolmans: also wtf does massed up mean? |
| 03:59.19 | Azar | resudaed: here is for pcmcia: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6247 |
| 03:59.24 | nvz | dolmans: what does their weight have to do with anything :P |
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| 04:00.07 | dolmans | nvz: what are you talking about man, i said some gtkpod things |
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| 04:00.30 | \amethyst | dolmans: you're right, it doesn't seem to work for me either |
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| 04:01.11 | \amethyst | dolmans: when I try to sort a playlist in gtkpod it crashes on me |
| 04:01.41 | Azar | resudaed: http://panopticon.csustan.edu/thood/tp600lnx.htm |
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| 04:01.56 | dolmans | \amethyst: what a pity, how can we get it? |
| 04:02.18 | sid | dondelelcaro: any idea about those messages? |
| 04:02.49 | sid | my /proc/cmdline is normal(how it always is), and /proc/modules has "aes" module... which wheN i've setup cryptsetup on remote boxes.. is the only additional module that is needed |
| 04:02.51 | resudaed | Azar : usb seemed to work in his case, i have scoured google and can't find a similar problem |
| 04:02.53 | dolmans | but who know wtf ipod's paly list sort policy? |
| 04:03.16 | Taa5i | I am running debian stable etch on a laptop with a pcmcia usb hub card that adds two usb ports. When I plug in the card everything seems to show up correctly but insertin devices always fails with error -110 and device not accepting an address. I have read the linux-usb FAQ to no avail. |
| 04:03.33 | dondelelcaro | sid: does /dev/mapper/lalaland-root exist? |
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| 04:05.18 | sid | dondelelcaro: no |
| 04:05.29 | sid | dondelelcaro: but /dev/mapper/control and /dev/mapper/hdc5_crypt exist |
| 04:05.29 | Amarande | sid: of course it doesn't work, you only loaded Aes and forgot to load Sedai :) |
| 04:05.38 | sid | I believe /dev/mapper/hdc5_crypt is what should be mounted to / |
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| 04:06.49 | dondelelcaro | sid: hrm... that sounds like it may have the wrong root= option then |
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| 04:07.19 | sid | dondelelcaro: but I'm not able to manually mount /dev/mapper/* to anywhere |
| 04:07.32 | sid | If I do hdc5_crypt it says "Failed: Invalid argument" |
| 04:07.42 | sid | And control tells me "failed: Block device required" |
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| 04:08.51 | dondelelcaro | sid: hrm... yeah, I don't know enough of how that works to be much help... sorry. |
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| 04:09.04 | Azar | resudaed: it might be something with bootloader, at boot time your usb should be activated.. |
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| 04:09.41 | Azar | oh after boot time |
| 04:10.03 | Azar | resudaed: is the device listed in fstab? to mount it? |
| 04:10.18 | jdavis_ | I am trying to make a backup of a DVD so that I don't scratch it. I made a backup using readom. When I try to mount the image and play it it looks scrambled |
| 04:10.19 | hachi | why is an upgrade to testing asking me TWICE what my timezone is? |
| 04:10.45 | Guerin | hachi: because it wants to be sure |
| 04:11.11 | hachi | I don't even want to be asked once, I always go and delete the /etc/whatever file that designates it |
| 04:11.24 | Guerin | hachi: well, that's your malfunction. |
| 04:11.34 | jhujhiti | i'm having some trouble setting ctrl:nocaps on my keyboard. this is a fresh etch install. there are no errors in my X log, but `setxkbmap -variant ctrl:nocaps` gives me "Error loading new keyboard description" -- google's no help =( |
| 04:11.41 | Guerin | if you don't want to be asked anything, read man debconf |
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| 04:12.11 | hachi | Guerin: I have, debconf isn't gonna help me avoid this question so don't go suggesting the wrong things |
| 04:12.36 | Guerin | hachi: that just tells me you didn't understand it. |
| 04:12.42 | Guerin | hachi: -p |
| 04:13.03 | hachi | Configuring tzdata, Please select the time zone corresponding to your location.: Alaska, Aleutian, Arizona, Central, East-Indiana, Eastern, Hawaii, Indiana-Starke, Michegan, Mountain, Pacific, Samoa" |
| 04:13.12 | hachi | where's my choices for europe? |
| 04:13.15 | Guerin | hachi: it might not turn EVERYTHING off - because some things are necessary. If you go around deleting files you don't think are necessary, any old thing could happen. |
| 04:13.36 | Azar | uh you selecteed us somewhere during installation :) |
| 04:13.39 | Guerin | hachi: you've clearly told it you're in the USA |
| 04:13.45 | Guerin | or something has |
| 04:13.51 | hachi | no I haven't this is the first question it asked this time around |
| 04:14.10 | Guerin | hachi: well, it diesn't just make things up out of nowhere |
| 04:14.31 | hachi | telling me that I'm lying doesn't help the situation, believing me might |
| 04:14.38 | Guerin | anyway, use tzconfig to sort it out |
| 04:14.40 | hachi | let's presume that I'm right, how do I go about figuring this out? |
| 04:14.43 | hachi | okay |
| 04:14.59 | Guerin | hachi: i'm not teling you you're lying,m I'm telling you for a fact that debconf doesn't just randomly invent config |
| 04:15.23 | Guerin | presuming you're right would rely on you providing some sort of evidence |
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| 04:15.42 | Guerin | my default position is to presume that people who randomly delete config files they don't like are wrong, and stupid to boot |
| 04:15.43 | hachi | machine is currently configured for US/Central, that's why it might be guessing that I'm in the US |
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| 04:15.59 | Guerin | hachi: As I said. |
| 04:16.09 | Azar | stelp 3: Select Your Country: http://bp1.blogger.com/_CYT-hXzRPzk/Rhw8gzHUBkI/AAAAAAAAAGE/VACtI_2acck/s1600-h/Screenshot-2.png |
| 04:16.47 | hachi | ahh, but my rationale is simple, I don't want the machine to have a timezone, like chosing "C" as the default locale |
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| 04:16.54 | Azar | I assume Europe should fall under "other" |
| 04:17.05 | resudaed | does debian not provide the ndiswrapper module pre-built anymore? |
| 04:17.06 | jhujhiti | hachi: the machine has to have a timezone |
| 04:17.12 | Guerin | hachi: then choose UTC |
| 04:17.17 | jhujhiti | hachi: presumably what you want is UTC |
| 04:17.32 | hachi | I can't choose UTC, my total list of choices is what I've presented earlier |
| 04:17.33 | Azar | resudaed: I remember last night someone having madwifi had to install it |
| 04:17.38 | hachi | I can't back up and choose anything else |
| 04:17.45 | Guerin | hachi: then you fucked something up., I told you how to fix it. |
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| 04:17.53 | hachi | if I hit cancel, I'm cancelling all of dpkg-configure |
| 04:18.16 | Azar | hachi: honorable Guerin here is a well seasoned expert with Debian stuff... |
| 04:18.41 | Azar | grumpy, bad mouth, but expert |
| 04:18.42 | Guerin | hachi: just choose any random fucking timezone |
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| 04:18.51 | Guerin | hachi: then run tzconfig when you're done |
| 04:18.55 | Guerin | fuck's sakes |
| 04:18.55 | resudaed | just every howto tells me to download the ndiswrapper-modules package (doesn't seem to exist on etch) or use module-assistant to build it (I don't have a tool chain, and don't fancy installing one over usb, rebooting everytime I need a new file) |
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| 04:19.15 | Guerin | resudaed: get a real network card |
| 04:19.23 | Azar | resudaed: I guess this is the way to pay for a madwifi |
| 04:19.26 | Guerin | one that doesn't need a crappy windows hack to make it work |
| 04:19.30 | Guerin | fuck madwifi |
| 04:19.34 | Guerin | that's almost as bad |
| 04:19.39 | Guerin | buy a ralink |
| 04:19.47 | resudaed | Guerin : not on my budget |
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| 04:20.09 | Guerin | resudaed: i bet your budget stretches to a $5 wired eth card, though |
| 04:20.14 | BloodSkrilla4ril | onoz! |
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| 04:20.42 | Azar | resudaed: |
| 04:20.48 | BloodSkin | who here says bloodskin is a noob? |
| 04:20.53 | Azar | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 04:20.53 | dpkg | i guess ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 04:20.55 | hark | resudaed: doesn't look like it, might just have to m-a |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | BloodSkin: you |
| 04:21.01 | BloodSkin | ok |
| 04:21.03 | BloodSkin | other than me |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | Azar: he doesn't have a network |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | that's the problem |
| 04:21.44 | sid | o well, I'll format with etch(encrypted partition), then dist-upgrade to sid and see if it breaks again. |
| 04:21.59 | Guerin | !insanity |
| 04:21.59 | dpkg | well, insanity is something you acquire from using windoze, or doing the same thing over and over expecting different results |
| 04:22.05 | Guerin | sid: ↑ |
| 04:22.17 | hark | !bless sid |
| 04:22.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child sid, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:22.36 | resudaed | is anyone running 2.6.18-4-686 and could possibly build the module for me? (would be really grateful) |
| 04:22.43 | BloodSkin | so starting a fresh copy windows is perfectly sane? |
| 04:22.57 | Azar | dam that sucks |
| 04:22.58 | xixor | Hello everybody, I have been using smbfs to mount shares on a windows xp machine by putting it in fstab, but it seriously is flacky, it seems to lock up my machine at least once every 24 hours. I hear CIFS is the way to go, but all the info I can find on CIFS suggests that cifs is the same as smbfs, is this correct? Or is there a better way to *safely* mount windows shares? |
| 04:22.59 | Guerin | resudaed: no, go and get a real network card. |
| 04:23.14 | sid | actually i doubt it will break again |
| 04:23.20 | sid | I didn't know d-i team was still doing daily builds |
| 04:23.34 | sid | the latest build probably doesn't have any problems |
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| 04:23.36 | Guerin | xixor: the only really safe way (though not transparent) is to use something like ftp or webDAV |
| 04:23.37 | sid | !confuse Guerin |
| 04:23.37 | dpkg | Yes, them are our bacon tomorrow, Guerin? wellies of the monarchy of tahiti with extra cream |
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| 04:23.39 | sid | !beer Guerin |
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| 04:23.51 | Guerin | xixor: ie, something which isn't completely fucking useless |
| 04:23.54 | xixor | Guerin: Ah |
| 04:23.56 | xixor | Guerin: I see |
| 04:23.58 | BloodSkin | is it possible to install i386 on a amd64 machine? |
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| 04:24.09 | Guerin | mm, guinness, bacon, cream and tahitian wellies |
| 04:24.14 | xixor | Guerin: because I am seriously pretty tired of smbfs completely crashing my system |
| 04:24.17 | Guerin | xixor: though you probably want to ask #samba |
| 04:24.28 | BloodSkin | guinness owns |
| 04:24.29 | xixor | Guerin: Ahh, good call |
| 04:24.43 | Guerin | BloodSkin: not only is it possible, it is advised. |
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| 04:24.59 | BloodSkin | heres where it gets tricky |
| 04:25.08 | resudaed | if I built it on a machine with an smp kernel (same version tho) would that work? |
| 04:25.20 | Azar | !madwifi |
| 04:25.21 | dpkg | madwifi is probably for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | resudaed: yes and no. You'd have to install the smp kernel on the box in which the wireless card is. That would be fine even if it's a single proc. |
| 04:25.48 | BloodSkin | what if im using goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 04:25.53 | BloodSkin | is it still possible |
| 04:25.54 | BloodSkin | ? |
| 04:26.03 | Guerin | BloodSkin: then you get to ask the guy who wrote it. |
| 04:26.20 | BloodSkin | it says its the official installer |
| 04:26.25 | Guerin | BloodSkin: we don't support that, and most of u s haven't used it. I certainly haven't. |
| 04:26.29 | Guerin | BloodSkin: it lies. |
| 04:26.33 | Guerin | BloodSkin: have you got a link? |
| 04:26.35 | Azar | BloodSkin: you want to install over mswindows? |
| 04:26.55 | BloodSkin | azar: its my only option |
| 04:27.07 | Azar | Guerin: thats oldnews... there is one link like that that it is said it works |
| 04:27.11 | BloodSkin | i spent 2 days trying to install via usb hdd |
| 04:27.17 | Azar | BloodSkin: why? get the CD |
| 04:27.25 | Guerin | Azar: speak english or die |
| 04:27.33 | BloodSkin | give me a cd burner and i will |
| 04:27.43 | Azar | BloodSkin: order the CD |
| 04:27.44 | Guerin | BloodSkin: go and burn it at a pc room |
| 04:27.51 | Guerin | or a library, school, friend's house |
| 04:27.53 | Guerin | ffs |
| 04:28.01 | BloodSkin | by the time it gets here id have it installed right nowe |
| 04:28.02 | BloodSkin | now |
| 04:28.16 | Guerin | and it's not like a cd burner can't be had for less than the price of a couple frosty beers |
| 04:28.30 | BloodSkin | one, i dont go to school, 2, id get thrown out the library for undisclosed reasons, and 3, to hell with friends |
| 04:28.44 | BloodSkin | i dont ask those greedy bastards for shit |
| 04:28.52 | Guerin | BloodSkin: so in other words, you're an uneducated twat who everyone hates |
| 04:28.56 | Guerin | why are you bothering? |
| 04:29.00 | BloodSkin | always gotta ask for money from the poor people |
| 04:29.47 | BloodSkin | in other words your a self boasting faggot who attempts to put others down in a pathetic attempt at self glory? |
| 04:29.57 | Guerin | ooh |
| 04:29.59 | Guerin | struck a nerve |
| 04:30.08 | BloodSkin | key word being attempt in this one |
| 04:30.19 | BloodSkin | the uneducated thing |
| 04:30.20 | BloodSkin | yea |
| 04:30.20 | Guerin | don't take me seriously, nobody else does |
| 04:30.22 | BloodSkin | you did |
| 04:30.33 | BloodSkin | just because i dropped out does not mean im uneducated |
| 04:30.37 | Guerin | well |
| 04:30.47 | Guerin | using words like your' doesn't help |
| 04:30.48 | BloodSkin | it means i denied conformed education |
| 04:30.56 | jhujhiti | it does if you dropped out for shitty reasons |
| 04:30.58 | Guerin | conformed isn't a word |
| 04:30.58 | jhujhiti | such as that. |
| 04:31.04 | BloodSkin | your = short hand for you are |
| 04:31.08 | Guerin | no |
| 04:31.12 | jhujhiti | hah |
| 04:31.13 | Guerin | you're = shorthand for you are |
| 04:31.20 | BloodSkin | sue me? |
| 04:31.32 | Guerin | your = shorthand for not my, or i'm an uneducated twat |
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| 04:31.47 | Guerin | but anyway |
| 04:31.56 | cwheeler | excellent point Guerin |
| 04:32.01 | Guerin | the point is that you have options, but complaining about debian.exe in here isn't one of them |
| 04:32.25 | jhujhiti | hmm, how can i set my hardware clock? |
| 04:32.28 | BloodSkin | you do understand that twat is a term that is only deragitory (forgive my spelling) twords women |
| 04:32.35 | BloodSkin | and those who dont understand its meaning |
| 04:32.38 | BloodSkin | right? |
| 04:32.45 | jhujhiti | rather, how can i tell debian to reconfigure as "cmos clock is utc" rather than local? |
| 04:32.47 | Azar | Guerin: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 04:32.50 | Guerin | BloodSkin: not at all. You're clearly not from the UK. |
| 04:33.00 | BloodSkin | correct. im not. |
| 04:33.07 | BloodSkin | because id like to KEEP my teeth white |
| 04:33.21 | BloodSkin | so i tend to stay away from therre |
| 04:33.23 | BloodSkin | there* |
| 04:33.33 | xoz | jhujhiti: look in /etc/defaults/ |
| 04:33.39 | Azar | anddd..whats wrong with the uk? |
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| 04:33.42 | jhujhiti | xoz: thanks |
| 04:33.47 | BloodSkin | honestly |
| 04:33.48 | Guerin | BloodSkin: hah |
| 04:33.48 | BloodSkin | nothing |
| 04:33.56 | Guerin | Azar: Use of Debian logo does not imply endorsement by the Debian project |
| 04:34.01 | BloodSkin | but he wanted to use nationality as an attempt at an insult |
| 04:34.02 | Azar | wtff? |
| 04:34.04 | BloodSkin | so i retaliated |
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| 04:34.19 | jhujhiti | Azar: aside from the fact that they are quickly becoming orwell's nightmare? |
| 04:34.25 | Guerin | BloodSkin: no, i didn't. I'm just saying that `twat' is a bona fide generic insult. Not genderised. |
| 04:34.25 | Azar | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html |
| 04:34.29 | hark | jhujhiti: /msg dpkg setting time |
| 04:34.41 | Azar | By default, this program always installs Debian etch. |
| 04:34.45 | BloodSkin | perhaps there, where it was ported to |
| 04:34.46 | Azar | say it does not! |
| 04:35.04 | Azar | agghh I don't have windows anymore to prov it |
| 04:35.07 | Guerin | Azar: that doesn't mean it's official. It's not. (though it is made by a DD, i think) |
| 04:35.11 | BloodSkin | it does |
| 04:35.12 | BloodSkin | azar |
| 04:35.16 | BloodSkin | it did when i used it |
| 04:35.17 | BloodSkin | but |
| 04:35.27 | BloodSkin | it installed the 64 bit version |
| 04:35.27 | Azar | it was officially announced on our news back when it was made... and praised |
| 04:35.41 | hark | he wants i386 instead |
| 04:35.43 | resudaed | ok, got most of the tool chain, does anyone know what file m-a is going to try and download for the source? |
| 04:35.46 | Azar | ew ah |
| 04:35.49 | Guerin | BloodSkin: use an official installer. |
| 04:35.49 | BloodSkin | and does not give the option to switch to i386 or ai64 |
| 04:36.08 | Guerin | resudaed: you can try it with -s and see. |
| 04:36.31 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 04:36.36 | Guerin | does m-a even know -s |
| 04:36.40 | Azar | resudaed: preparing for ndsiwrapper? |
| 04:36.47 | Guerin | these are the juicy questions |
| 04:36.49 | resudaed | Azar : yes |
| 04:36.58 | Azar | !ndsiwrapper one-liner |
| 04:37.02 | Azar | err |
| 04:37.07 | rahul | I'll show you juicy |
| 04:37.20 | Azar | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 04:37.20 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 04:37.43 | Guerin | Azar: he wants to know *what file* m-a a-i ndiscrapper will get |
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| 04:37.59 | Azar | ew |
| 04:38.34 | BloodSkin | (Guerin) BloodSkin: use an official installer. |
| 04:38.41 | BloodSkin | show me one and ill use it |
| 04:38.48 | BloodSkin | one that will work for me that is |
| 04:38.48 | hark | ndiswrapper-source? |
| 04:38.55 | etaylor | Solution to installing cisco vpnclinet on Debian etch. I'm running kernel 2.6.20.7 |
| 04:39.00 | Azar | # Debian Installation Guide for i386 (32-bit) or amd64 (64-bit) flavours |
| 04:39.02 | Azar | # Debian forums |
| 04:39.11 | damejiar | hey, and the package |
| 04:39.11 | Guerin | etaylor: ask #cisco |
| 04:39.14 | Guerin | or something |
| 04:39.21 | hark | etaylor: vpnc? |
| 04:39.21 | damejiar | apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 04:39.26 | Guerin | BloodSkin: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:39.52 | damejiar | and apt-get install ndiswrapper-source build-essential linux-headers-'uname-r' |
| 04:40.05 | damejiar | and apt-get install module-assistant |
| 04:40.45 | resudaed | damejiar : no network connection :-) |
| 04:41.11 | jhujhiti | resudaed: can't you just try to download it and see what error it fails with? |
| 04:41.19 | jhujhiti | resudaed: wget should show you the name of the file... |
| 04:41.29 | damejiar | resudaed : ahh ok |
| 04:41.48 | resudaed | jhujhiti : just trying to reduce reboots (required to get new files) |
| 04:42.20 | jhujhiti | resudaed: right, but can't you run m-a and see how it dies? i guess if it wants more than one file that would be a pain |
| 04:44.21 | BloodSkin | dude |
| 04:44.21 | BloodSkin | guerin |
| 04:44.21 | Guerin | !enter |
| 04:44.21 | BloodSkin | your not understanding |
| 04:44.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 04:44.21 | hark | resudaed: this is a netinst, isn't it? |
| 04:44.21 | Guerin | BloodSkin: my what? |
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| 04:44.22 | BloodSkin | all of that requires some kind of removable media |
| 04:44.22 | BloodSkin | which i currently do not have access to |
| 04:44.22 | hark | what about a usb install? |
| 04:44.22 | Guerin | BloodSkin: did I tell you about shroot install yet? |
| 04:44.22 | resudaed | hark : post inst, trying to get wireless nic working |
| 04:44.23 | Guerin | hark: he's tried it, apparently. |
| 04:44.24 | BloodSkin | hmm |
| 04:44.24 | BloodSkin | isnt that |
| 04:44.24 | resudaed | the only network around is a wireless wpa, and combined with my usb issues, is not fun |
| 04:44.24 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 04:44.24 | dpkg | well, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 04:44.24 | BloodSkin | where i create a boot file |
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| 04:44.31 | Guerin | BloodSkin: no. |
| 04:44.48 | hark | resudaed: heh, for such cases it's better to just get CD1 |
| 04:45.04 | resudaed | no burner available |
| 04:45.07 | damejiar | hey I have a question, when I installed Debian Etch, it was an error message telling me that the uwsusp it doesn't work in my laptop |
| 04:45.19 | damejiar | I can't suspend and hibernate |
| 04:45.20 | Guerin | wtf is it with you people who don't have cd burners |
| 04:45.21 | BloodSkin | that still requires a removable media |
| 04:45.25 | resudaed | have a basic windows workstation and a wifi connection |
| 04:45.28 | damejiar | how do I solve this problem? |
| 04:45.32 | Guerin | 1998 wants its limitations back |
| 04:45.39 | resudaed | Guerin : I have a burner, but it is at home |
| 04:45.44 | BloodSkin | well, im not a music pirate, so ive had no need for one |
| 04:45.56 | Guerin | BloodSkin: and now you realise that you DO. |
| 04:46.07 | jhujhiti | pirate is such an offensive word. |
| 04:46.09 | BloodSkin | to burn what, one cd? |
| 04:46.16 | BloodSkin | ive installed debian before |
| 04:46.17 | BloodSkin | but |
| 04:46.23 | BloodSkin | not the distro i wanted |
| 04:46.25 | Guerin | BloodSkin: yep. See? You don't have it, and now you're blaming *us*. |
| 04:46.30 | BloodSkin | no no |
| 04:46.33 | BloodSkin | im blaming noone |
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| 04:46.49 | BloodSkin | im just trying to find a solution |
| 04:46.49 | Guerin | BloodSkin: go and use the fucking chroot install |
| 04:46.53 | hark | resudaed: heh, i remember doing this once with sarge for the ipw2200 drivers.. when they weren't in the kernel |
| 04:46.59 | Guerin | it requires *nothing* except the ability to read. |
| 04:47.08 | BloodSkin | the ability to what? |
| 04:47.10 | BloodSkin | :p |
| 04:47.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:47.18 | hark | resudaed: don't you have an ethernet port you can use? |
| 04:47.48 | resudaed | hark: got a really bad feeling I left that @ home also |
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| 04:48.19 | jhujhiti | resudaed: "at home" -- you're not, say, in a dorm are you? |
| 04:48.31 | jhujhiti | resudaed: because someone *must* have something to help you if you are. |
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| 04:48.48 | resudaed | jhujhiti : no, 24hr library |
| 04:49.15 | resudaed | if I were at home, I'd have a wireless network, a 10/100/1000 wired network and a dvd burner |
| 04:49.37 | resudaed | and would probably be done by now |
| 04:49.42 | BloodSkin | 'query dpkg |
| 04:49.45 | BloodSkin | .... |
| 04:49.49 | halkeye | is there a good tutorial somewhere on how to pin mysql-server-4 so it doesn't upgrade to 5 somewhere? i'm not having much luck with google |
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| 04:49.59 | hark | resudaed: the headers will be on the netinst cd itself, so you don't need to get that at least :) |
| 04:50.00 | BloodSkin | noob ass typos |
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| 04:50.15 | hark | halkeye: /msg dpkg hold |
| 04:50.20 | eeyore- | halkeye: dselect, use the = key? |
| 04:50.31 | labanux | does debian provide easy install of restricted-media package ? something like ubuntu does? |
| 04:50.33 | halkeye | oh awesome, so easy |
| 04:50.55 | Guerin | labanux: no. |
| 04:50.59 | hark | halkeye: if you use aptitude, aptitude hold <package> |
| 04:51.15 | damejiar | hey, please me help me with the suspend and hibernate |
| 04:51.19 | Amarande | restricted-media package? what's that? |
| 04:51.30 | Guerin | Amarande: w32codecs |
| 04:51.33 | BloodSkin | man |
| 04:51.36 | Guerin | and flash, probab;ly |
| 04:51.37 | BloodSkin | can someone like |
| 04:51.40 | damejiar | my laptop doesn't make it |
| 04:51.43 | Guerin | BloodSkin: one thought per line |
| 04:51.51 | xoz | damejiar: suspend and hibernate is a kernel issue... not debian. |
| 04:51.53 | hark | damejiar: hangs? |
| 04:51.59 | jhujhiti | Guerin: i think those *are* full thoughts for him ;) |
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| 04:52.03 | labanux | Guerin: yes.., something like that.. |
| 04:52.05 | Nemoder_ | !debian-multimedia |
| 04:52.05 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 04:52.08 | BloodSkin | come to myhouse with a copy of the latest stable on cd |
| 04:52.22 | BloodSkin | and then install it for me? |
| 04:52.26 | BloodSkin | ill smoke a blunt with you |
| 04:52.31 | toki | how do i auto mount a hd on system startup? |
| 04:52.31 | BloodSkin | im just too lazy to read |
| 04:52.33 | Guerin | BloodSkin: yeah, just let me sharpen up my cane knife as well |
| 04:52.36 | damejiar | xoz and hark : when I was installing it, it gave me the uwsusp error |
| 04:52.42 | Guerin | damejiar: i recomment using suspend2 kernel patch and powersaved |
| 04:52.44 | BloodSkin | thats too much reading |
| 04:52.52 | jhujhiti | BloodSkin: then go use windows. |
| 04:52.54 | Guerin | Amarande: fronce! |
| 04:52.54 | BloodSkin | i think i found what you were trying to guide me to |
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| 04:53.01 | BloodSkin | jhu |
| 04:53.05 | jhujhiti | toki: /etc/fstab holds filesystem mount information. |
| 04:53.08 | BloodSkin | thats what im trying to evade |
| 04:53.10 | damejiar | Guerin : where can I get the howto? |
| 04:53.18 | damejiar | Guerin : or it's easy? |
| 04:53.26 | BloodSkin | im just really high and am being lazy |
| 04:53.26 | xoz | damejiar: look for option in the installer to disable uwsusp |
| 04:53.29 | jhujhiti | toki: your hard drive needs a filesystem first, and then you mount that filesystem with mount. fstab is read at boot and does the same thing for you. |
| 04:53.32 | Vasistha | BloodSkin: where do you live? |
| 04:53.35 | Guerin | damejiar: if you know how to build a kernel it's easy. /msg dpkg kp |
| 04:53.39 | BloodSkin | columbus ohio |
| 04:53.40 | BloodSkin | >.< |
| 04:53.40 | labanux | Guerin: so it's mean I have to install those package manually one by one? |
| 04:53.43 | halkeye | hark: holding should still work if you do a dist-upgrade right? |
| 04:53.45 | Guerin | labanux: yes. |
| 04:53.53 | toki | ahh |
| 04:53.54 | xoz | Guerin: his problem is during install. |
| 04:53.55 | damejiar | Guerin : I can compile the kernel |
| 04:53.57 | BloodSkin | i could take a 30 second walk and get a cd burner |
| 04:54.00 | toki | i've been looking for tat |
| 04:54.02 | toki | jhujhiti: thanks |
| 04:54.02 | BloodSkin | but |
| 04:54.06 | labanux | Guerin : oughh.., kind of big job.. |
| 04:54.17 | BloodSkin | bes probably all hopped up on oxys |
| 04:54.20 | BloodSkin | hes* |
| 04:54.21 | damejiar | xoz : I have already installed, I omit the error |
| 04:54.38 | Guerin | BloodSkin: we don't care about your problems with your dope-head mate. |
| 04:54.40 | xoz | damejiar: ok. |
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| 04:55.10 | toki | does HT works well with linux? |
| 04:55.15 | Guerin | damejiar: yeh. the maintainer was working on a debian s2 package, but I'm not sure it's there yet. |
| 04:55.18 | eeyore- | toki: hyperthreading? |
| 04:55.20 | Guerin | toki: yes. |
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| 04:55.23 | toki | yeah |
| 04:55.30 | BloodSkin | Guerin: good for you pansie |
| 04:55.30 | toki | i see |
| 04:55.32 | eeyore- | toki: sure, so does dualcore :) |
| 04:55.33 | Guerin | toki: as well as it works anywhere, which is not very. |
| 04:55.33 | jhujhiti | toki: "welL" is relative, but yes, it works |
| 04:55.34 | Vasistha | BloodSkin: you don't need a cd burner to install debian. you can do it with a bootable usb stick, or you can even install straight from the hard drive |
| 04:55.41 | hark | halkeye: yes, you should see it as being held bak |
| 04:55.43 | BloodSkin | i know i can |
| 04:55.45 | BloodSkin | but |
| 04:55.51 | BloodSkin | i have a 64 bit processor |
| 04:55.53 | BloodSkin | and |
| 04:55.54 | damejiar | Guerin : ok, thanks for the info |
| 04:55.57 | xoz | toki: from experience, not much difference |
| 04:56.03 | Vasistha | !tell BloodSkin -about enter |
| 04:56.05 | BloodSkin | its a pain in the ass to get the installer to work properly |
| 04:56.07 | toki | oh. |
| 04:56.19 | BloodSkin | !rip off the enter key damnit |
| 04:56.25 | jhujhiti | toki: for what it's worth, i've seen benchmarks of database-type apps, and HT actually slows them down. |
| 04:56.27 | Guerin | BloodSkin: here's an idea: instead of pissing and moaning at us for another hour about how useless and lazy you are, why don't you fuck off and die? |
| 04:56.29 | damejiar | Guerin : it's still unstable to make the suspend with that package |
| 04:56.31 | Amarande | BloodSkin, just run it in 32 bit mode |
| 04:56.37 | Guerin | damejiar: eh? |
| 04:56.41 | eeyore- | toki: what are you looking to do? |
| 04:56.49 | Guerin | Amarande: he can't install it, because he's a fuckwit. |
| 04:56.50 | BloodSkin | amarande, which one lets you pick like that? |
| 04:56.51 | toki | virtual server |
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| 04:56.58 | BloodSkin | the one i used you had to put in a file path |
| 04:57.02 | eeyore- | toki: is it that important? |
| 04:57.10 | damejiar | <Guerin> damejiar: yeh. the maintainer was working on a debian s2 package, but I'm not sure it's there yet. |
| 04:57.15 | toki | not really |
| 04:57.17 | toki | kinda like freetime project |
| 04:57.18 | BloodSkin | which i copied and pasted, but somehow failed |
| 04:57.43 | Amarande | BloodSkin: You have AMD, right? |
| 04:57.45 | muhoo | what's sort of the obvious, most-commonly-used hard disk throughput test? |
| 04:57.48 | Guerin | damejiar: oh, not really unstable. Just wasn't maintained for a while. I use it daily. |
| 04:57.49 | BloodSkin | yessir |
| 04:57.51 | eeyore- | toki: well then :) if it's mission critical stuff, dualcore xeons are the king right now (yeah yeah, you have core2 duo but still) |
| 04:57.57 | Guerin | muhoo: bonnie++? |
| 04:57.58 | muhoo | s/test/measurement tool/ |
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| 04:58.01 | muhoo | Guerin: thanks! |
| 04:58.04 | damejiar | Guerin : ahh ok, thanks |
| 04:58.04 | Amarande | You install amd64 to use 64 bit mode, or i686 to use 32 bit. |
| 04:58.10 | BloodSkin | dude |
| 04:58.10 | Guerin | muhoo: or lots and lots of recursive copies and stuff |
| 04:58.12 | jhujhiti | muhoo: dd and time =) |
| 04:58.22 | BloodSkin | i know that |
| 04:58.23 | Amarande | If you use 32 bit, after that the next thing you should do is install the k7 kernel to take full advantage of things. |
| 04:58.30 | BloodSkin | but the thing is, the installwer i used |
| 04:58.36 | BloodSkin | installer* |
| 04:58.46 | Guerin | was not the real installer |
| 04:58.48 | jhujhiti | BloodSkin: honestly, this is not IM. |
| 04:58.50 | Guerin | THAT is the fucking problem |
| 04:58.51 | muhoo | Guerin: naw, bonnie is the one i was thinking of. i used it many years ago, it prints out some good metrics |
| 04:58.52 | BloodSkin | you have to enter a directory for the files to download from |
| 04:59.01 | BloodSkin | i forget the exact site |
| 04:59.05 | Guerin | you used some unofficial installer you found on the interwebs, and we can't fucking help you with it |
| 04:59.13 | Guerin | now piss off already |
| 04:59.14 | BloodSkin | but when i used the i386 dir, it gave me 30 or so errors |
| 04:59.19 | Amarande | Blood and ashes |
| 04:59.20 | macksss1 | i am getting 404's upon using apt-get install....can someone remind me how to change my apt repository links and also tell me a good stable repository? please |
| 04:59.23 | Guerin | muhoo: yeh. |
| 04:59.27 | Amarande | Just get the proper Debian install disc |
| 04:59.29 | BloodSkin | guerin, stfuplzkthx |
| 04:59.47 | jhujhiti | macksss1: /etc/apt/sources.list is your apt configuration file. |
| 04:59.51 | xoz | !tell macksss1 -about apt-spy |
| 04:59.56 | Amarande | You're crying like Semirhage is working her weaves on you. :P |
| 04:59.56 | Vasistha | !tell macksss1 -about sources.list |
| 04:59.59 | Guerin | macksss1: /msg dpkg mirtrors; edit /etc/apt/sources.list, or install apt-spy |
| 05:00.06 | eeyore- | toki: for density sake, there isn't a real core2 duo solution in that space ... so you end up having to choose xeon woodcrest with the somewhat slower FBDIMM memory, but you gain from having greater density |
| 05:00.12 | Vasistha | heh, I think he got an answer! |
| 05:00.18 | muhoo | ok, kernel built, RT stuff coming, then time for performance tuning |
| 05:00.19 | jhujhiti | macksss1: there are *lots* of good mirrors. if you're in new england, i recommened debian.lcs.mit.edu |
| 05:00.24 | hachi | I've got a box here that's crawling during an apt-get dist-upgrade... 93% idle on two 1GHz CPUs, 1GB memory not full, vmstat is showing a total block throughput of about 300/s, and there is nothing going on with dmesg or syslog... anyone have any ideas where I can go next to figure out what's making it so slow? |
| 05:00.25 | BloodSkin | i wonder |
| 05:00.26 | Guerin | Vasistha: from the department of redundancy department |
| 05:00.30 | hark | installing apt-spy would be a problem, heh ;) |
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| 05:00.37 | hachi | I can heard the disk crunching on 1 second intervals exactly |
| 05:00.47 | BloodSkin | is there a google bot here? |
| 05:00.58 | BloodSkin | !google official debian windows based installer |
| 05:01.01 | dmilith | Results for official debian windows based installer on Google: |
| 05:01.01 | dmilith | -- |
| 05:01.02 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, do you happen to know of a fast one near texas? |
| 05:01.03 | hark | !fgi BloodSkin install guide debian |
| 05:01.03 | dpkg | BloodSkin: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=install guide debian |
| 05:01.08 | eeyore- | hachi: top, look at the idle fields? is this NFS? |
| 05:01.13 | Vasistha | hachi: could it be a slow net connection? |
| 05:01.18 | jhujhiti | macksss1: no, but apt-spy does |
| 05:01.22 | Guerin | hachi: ide? check to see DMA is on, using hdparm. |
| 05:01.22 | Quozl | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot says to run MAKEDEV in the chroot, but the lines above it mount-bind /dev from the host, isn't this therefore wrong? |
| 05:01.24 | xoz | hark: disk trashing? |
| 05:01.27 | BloodSkin | fuck fucking gooogle it |
| 05:01.31 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, i dunno how to use that |
| 05:01.32 | Amarande | someone actually registered "fuckinggoogleit.com"? |
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| 05:01.38 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, do i need to install that? |
| 05:01.46 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: if you look at the mirror list you can just scan the North America section for some place geographically close |
| 05:01.47 | BloodSkin | and you jackasses are totally ignoring the fact that I HAVE NO FUCKING CD BURNER |
| 05:01.49 | muhoo | fuck the fucking google fuckers |
| 05:01.54 | damejiar | Guerin : is this useful? |
| 05:01.55 | hachi | eeyore-: not network at all |
| 05:01.55 | jhujhiti | macksss1: yes. |
| 05:01.55 | damejiar | http://www.cs.ust.hk/~yalding/blog/2005/05/install-suspend2-on-debian.html |
| 05:01.58 | Guerin | !fgi Amarande fuckinggoogleit |
| 05:01.58 | dpkg | Amarande: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fuckinggoogleit |
| 05:01.58 | BloodSkin | and keep linking me to shit that says burn to cd |
| 05:01.59 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : Just burn a CD, dude. |
| 05:01.59 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, can i just use http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ? |
| 05:02.02 | Vasistha | macksss1: if you look at the mirror list you can just scan the North America section for some place geographically close |
| 05:02.04 | hachi | VaLouille: not network |
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| 05:02.11 | hachi | Guerin: SCSI disk |
| 05:02.12 | rahul | !debian.exe |
| 05:02.12 | dpkg | debian.exe is probably the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 05:02.16 | Guerin | hachi: oh, ok. |
| 05:02.23 | jhujhiti | macksss1: of course. but you might not get the best mirror |
| 05:02.25 | BloodSkin | finally |
| 05:02.28 | BloodSkin | rahul |
| 05:02.31 | macksss1 | oh thanks jhujhiti |
| 05:02.32 | BloodSkin | thank you |
| 05:02.38 | Amarande | pdbogen, it appears that's like asking a man to go get pregnant ... lol |
| 05:02.51 | BloodSkin | people kept saying use the official installer |
| 05:02.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:02.51 | jhujhiti | macksss1: typically i just find the closest mirror to me, although i do give precedence to university networks. |
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| 05:02.59 | BloodSkin | but noone would guide me to it |
| 05:03.03 | Guerin | BloodSkin: yes, bvecause that's the RIGHT FUCKING THING TO DO |
| 05:03.04 | BloodSkin | nor would google |
| 05:03.12 | Guerin | BloodSkin: i FUCKING told you about it |
| 05:03.15 | Quozl | hmm, must be a bad time. |
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| 05:03.16 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 05:03.16 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 05:03.22 | BloodSkin | you said find the official installer |
| 05:03.24 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, i can't install apt-spy because it 404s too :( |
| 05:03.24 | rahul | BloodSkin: it is, you tard |
| 05:03.28 | hachi | it's trying to extract the perl-doc package right now, been running for like 20 minutes |
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| 05:03.38 | jhujhiti | macksss1: ack =( |
| 05:03.42 | rahul | wtf |
| 05:03.44 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, ya tell me about it :( |
| 05:03.52 | Guerin | rahul: the farce is strong in this one |
| 05:03.53 | BloodSkin | you didnt say shit about where to find it |
| 05:04.00 | jhujhiti | macksss1: well, you can use http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ |
| 05:04.02 | rahul | BloodSkin: why the fuck do we have to google for you, you loser? |
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| 05:04.09 | BloodSkin | dude |
| 05:04.09 | Guerin | BloodSkin: because we presume you're not a complete handicap. Wrongly, it seems. |
| 05:04.19 | jhujhiti | BloodSkin: it's *official*. where do you think you can find official debian stuff? |
| 05:04.20 | xoz | macksss1: try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<package> |
| 05:04.22 | BloodSkin | i googled for oficial debian windows installer |
| 05:04.26 | rahul | BloodSkin: it's on any mirror, like all the other damn installer files |
| 05:04.31 | BloodSkin | it gave me nothing but that goodbye windows thing |
| 05:04.32 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, ok i will use that and then install apt-spy and then will spy change it for me? |
| 05:04.33 | Guerin | BloodSkin: there IS NO official debian windows installer. |
| 05:04.37 | Guerin | that's the point. |
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| 05:04.43 | BloodSkin | yea well sue be bitch |
| 05:04.50 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : Uh, the third link for that google query is the link in !debian.exe |
| 05:04.57 | eeyore- | hachi: top, press "f" key, add the WCHAN field to the display, see what tasks are doing? |
| 05:05.03 | jhujhiti | macksss1: yes. looks like apt-spy -d etch/sid/whatever. i've never used apt-spy, but the manpage looks clear. |
| 05:05.09 | Guerin | so your options, as I outlined them about a year ago, are: get a fucking cd burner, use the chroot install, or stop fucking whining |
| 05:05.14 | BloodSkin | you fucking crackheads |
| 05:05.22 | BloodSkin | thats the site i linked a half hour ago |
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| 05:05.27 | BloodSkin | you said it wasnt the official |
| 05:05.31 | BloodSkin | wtf |
| 05:05.47 | BloodSkin | make up your god damned minds |
| 05:05.47 | hachi | eeyore-: disk access is taking forever... that's another symptom, but the load avg isn't above .07 |
| 05:05.47 | eeyore- | hachi: IDE? |
| 05:05.52 | jhujhiti | hachi: errors in dmesg? |
| 05:05.53 | Guerin | eeyore-: can you chop the hands and feet off this one? |
| 05:05.54 | hachi | I said scsi before |
| 05:05.59 | hachi | no errors in dmesg, I said that |
| 05:05.59 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : It's not official. There's no official way to do what you want. |
| 05:06.00 | eeyore- | Guerin: hmm? |
| 05:06.03 | hachi | nothing in syslog |
| 05:06.09 | jhujhiti | hachi: termination problems? |
| 05:06.13 | hachi | top two processes are in 'stext' |
| 05:06.18 | eeyore- | hachi: it's probably not DMA :-) |
| 05:06.21 | BloodSkin | thank you pd |
| 05:06.28 | hachi | jhujhiti: could be, but it just started in the last 20 minutes, box hasn't been rebooted in like 80 days |
| 05:06.29 | Guerin | eeyore-: BloodSkin. |
| 05:06.30 | BloodSkin | they could have said that from the beginning |
| 05:06.31 | dolmans | is there some package to combine mp3 files? |
| 05:06.34 | eeyore- | hachi: if IDE, "cat /proc/ide/hd<n>/settings", look at the DMA line |
| 05:06.36 | jhujhiti | scsi should be a hell of a lot faster than that, even without dma |
| 05:06.38 | Guerin | dolmans: mpgtx |
| 05:06.39 | eeyore- | BloodSkin: be nice |
| 05:06.39 | BloodSkin | but they kept saying find the official |
| 05:06.51 | xoz | hachi: apt-get clean first, apt-update |
| 05:06.51 | dolmans | Guerin: thanks |
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| 05:06.54 | Guerin | dolmans: ffmpeg also, but trickier |
| 05:07.00 | xoz | hachi: apt-get update |
| 05:07.01 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : It probably wasn't clear tyat you needed an install solution that requires no external media whatsoever. |
| 05:07.06 | rahul | how can you have scsi without dma? |
| 05:07.09 | needtoburnISO | how do i burn an ISO in gnome... gnome baker seems to be failing me |
| 05:07.15 | hachi | xoz: did that at the beginning of all this already |
| 05:07.17 | hark | BloodSkin: then what were you using before? |
| 05:07.21 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, is this good? http://pastebin.ca/458901 |
| 05:07.23 | jetscreamer | apt-get instal k3b needtoburnISO |
| 05:07.24 | Guerin | pdbogen: it was clear, but he refused to use the option we gave him, because it required too much reading |
| 05:07.24 | jhujhiti | pdbogen: it was clear, he was just being a douchenozzle about it |
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| 05:07.29 | eeyore- | hachi: SCSI? mmmm, well, details please? |
| 05:07.31 | rahul | needtoburnISO: same as how you burn a cd anywhere |
| 05:07.34 | xoz | hachi: tried changing the sources.list? |
| 05:07.43 | Guerin | pdbogen: and he can't read, since he dropped out of skool so as to avoid a `conformed education' |
| 05:07.45 | rahul | needtoburnISO: all apps run 'in gnome' |
| 05:07.46 | BloodSkin | pdbogen i said i have no removable media |
| 05:07.54 | hachi | xoz: it's a bloody block IO problem, not something in my sources.list, it's extracting the packages already |
| 05:07.55 | BloodSkin | except for my ipod |
| 05:08.04 | jhujhiti | macksss1: aside from the "scr", yes |
| 05:08.05 | BloodSkin | which doesnt like acting like a normal usb hdd |
| 05:08.12 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : It works fine if you put it in disk mode. |
| 05:08.14 | rahul | it doesn't? |
| 05:08.15 | macksss1 | what is the scr? |
| 05:08.20 | BloodSkin | i tried |
| 05:08.21 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, should i comment that link out? |
| 05:08.26 | rahul | BloodSkin: where do you get your misinformation? |
| 05:08.27 | jhujhiti | macksss1: you typed "deb-scr" instead of "deb-src" |
| 05:08.32 | BloodSkin | here |
| 05:08.36 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, lol whoops |
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| 05:08.37 | xoz | hachi: ok. so even dpkg -i has the same prob? |
| 05:08.42 | jhujhiti | macksss1: it's for source packages. chances are you don't need it, but *shrug* |
| 05:08.59 | macksss1 | ok |
| 05:09.09 | hachi | xoz: if you scroll up, I said loading TOP is slow, because the disk is only thrashing on the tick of the second |
| 05:09.10 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, so save and then apt-get install apt-spy ? |
| 05:09.15 | jhujhiti | macksss1: yep |
| 05:09.20 | eeyore- | hachi: yoohoo, what are the details for your scsi hardware? controller, disk? |
| 05:09.29 | jetscreamer | apt-spy is/was borked in sid |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | hachi: something's writing out to disk every second, maybe? |
| 05:09.30 | hachi | eeyore-: uh... adaptec onboard scsi AIC7892p, with a something drive hanging off it, how do I ask it what disk is there? |
| 05:09.40 | jetscreamer | backup your sources before you run it |
| 05:09.46 | Guerin | do you have some insane logging settings going, or something? |
| 05:09.46 | jhujhiti | jetscreamer: well, his apt sources says "stable", sooo |
| 05:09.56 | hark | BloodSkin: well? what were you using before then that only offered 64bit? |
| 05:09.57 | xoz | hachi: try purging perl-doc... finish the rest and install perl-doc later. maybe, it is just a perl-doc issue. |
| 05:10.01 | jetscreamer | jhujhiti: i don't trust the appelation 'stable' lately |
| 05:10.01 | eeyore- | hachi: and are you swapping? |
| 05:10.03 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, http://pastebin.ca/458904 |
| 05:10.05 | macksss1 | :( |
| 05:10.16 | BloodSkin | that goodbye microsoft thing |
| 05:10.24 | BloodSkin | the way it works |
| 05:10.25 | hachi | Guerin: okay... here's the thing... ALL block IO is only happening on the second... once each second I hear the machine go 'kssshhhh'... no I'm not swapping 1GB of ram and 600MB of that is block IO cache |
| 05:10.30 | BloodSkin | from my understanding |
| 05:10.37 | rahul | uh |
| 05:10.38 | Guerin | hachi: hm, that's fucked. |
| 05:10.40 | jhujhiti | macksss1: that was from apt-get update? |
| 05:10.45 | pdbogen | !enter |
| 05:10.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 05:10.48 | Guerin | hachi: worthi swapping the drive out? |
| 05:10.49 | jhujhiti | macksss1: try apt-get update --fix-missing |
| 05:11.01 | jetscreamer | more like apt-get -f install |
| 05:11.04 | BloodSkin | is you switch to expert mode and input a directory to download from after you reboot into dos mods |
| 05:11.06 | rahul | BloodSkin: your understanding is clearly going to be wrong 99% of the time since you seem to not be interested in reading |
| 05:11.12 | BloodSkin | mode* |
| 05:11.16 | rahul | dos mode? |
| 05:11.19 | hachi | Guerin: if I reboot and the problem is gone, then I'm going to be angry because that's not a 'solution' |
| 05:11.28 | Guerin | hachi: heh. |
| 05:11.29 | pdbogen | BloodSkin : Your understanding is wrong. |
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| 05:11.36 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, i forgot to apt-get update first |
| 05:11.50 | BloodSkin | then how do i switch it from amd64 to i386 |
| 05:11.58 | hark | BloodSkin: uh, that debian.exe factoid is the same thing |
| 05:12.01 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, after update it's installing now |
| 05:12.02 | Guerin | BloodSkin: i FUCKING TOLD YOU |
| 05:12.09 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 05:12.09 | dpkg | chroot install is probably http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 05:12.10 | jhujhiti | so, has anyone ever seen any situation where xkb refuses to set my keyboard variant? |
| 05:12.12 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, thank you |
| 05:12.14 | BloodSkin | Guerin |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | BloodSkin: now fuck off and do it |
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| 05:12.19 | BloodSkin | stfuplzkthx |
| 05:12.23 | jetscreamer | fuck fuck fuck |
| 05:12.26 | eeyore- | Guerin: wait .. you can? |
| 05:12.26 | Guerin | !ops BloodSkin needs electrocuted |
| 05:12.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: BloodSkin needs electrocuted |
| 05:12.27 | jetscreamer | not enouh fuck |
| 05:12.32 | jetscreamer | enough |
| 05:12.45 | rahul | BloodSkin: are you done trolling? |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | eeyore-: yes, though it's nothing to do with debian.exe |
| 05:12.54 | rahul | BloodSkin: are you going to leave us alone finally? |
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| 05:12.57 | BloodSkin | excuse me? |
| 05:13.12 | jhujhiti | `setxkbmap -variant ctrl:nocaps`: Error loading new keyboard description |
| 05:13.14 | BloodSkin | nah |
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| 05:13.20 | rahul | jhujhiti: -option |
| 05:13.22 | BloodSkin | ill stay here and annoy the piss out of you |
| 05:13.26 | eeyore- | BloodSkin: dude, maybe linux isn't for you at this time :) |
| 05:13.26 | BloodSkin | just because i can |
| 05:13.30 | xoz | Guerin: the link is dead for chroot install guide |
| 05:13.30 | rahul | !penixstrike BloodSkin |
| 05:13.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking BloodSkin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:13.36 | rahul | eeyore-: life isn't for him |
| 05:13.44 | BloodSkin | wtf |
| 05:13.44 | jetscreamer | note that it may be a question of 'can you now' |
| 05:13.45 | rahul | he's a waste of oxygen |
| 05:13.47 | jhujhiti | rahul: same error... |
| 05:13.53 | rahul | jhujhiti: hrm, works for me |
| 05:13.58 | BloodSkin | your bot has a homosexual attack? |
| 05:13.59 | BloodSkin | wtf |
| 05:14.05 | rahul | jhujhiti: oh, you broke the settings |
| 05:14.09 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:14.13 | jhujhiti | rahul: i have it set properly in my xorg.conf, too, and the logs show it being recognized as an option, but my caps still works. |
| 05:14.14 | rahul | BloodSkin: a penix is not homosexual at all, you tard |
| 05:14.31 | Guerin | karsten: where did twiki.iwethey.org go? |
| 05:14.34 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, http://pastebin.ca/458908 can you look at that please |
| 05:14.38 | BloodSkin | it went to hell |
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| 05:14.58 | BloodSkin | in a hand basket none the less |
| 05:15.13 | jhujhiti | macksss1: what were you trying to install? |
| 05:15.22 | Vasistha | macksss1: it looks like you're trying to upgrade from sarge to etch. Are you aware that etch is stable now? |
| 05:15.22 | macksss1 | apt-get upgrade |
| 05:15.25 | Guerin | dpkg, chroot install is also https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 05:15.25 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 05:15.50 | macksss1 | Vasistha, yes i thought i had already :-/ |
| 05:15.52 | Guerin | dpkg, chroot install is also http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 05:15.52 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:16.15 | macksss1 | jhujhiti / Vasistha do i need to apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:16.26 | jetscreamer | it can't hurt |
| 05:16.31 | Vasistha | macksss1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:16.33 | needtoburnISO | any tim and eric fans? |
| 05:16.35 | jhujhiti | rahul: ah, i missed something i my logs: (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm |
| 05:16.50 | macksss1 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:16.50 | macksss1 | 4.0 |
| 05:16.55 | Taa5i | I am running debian stable etch on a laptop with a pcmcia usb hub card that adds two usb ports. When I plug in the card everything seems to show up correctly but insertin devices always fails with error -110 and device not accepting an address. I have read the linux-usb FAQ to no avail. |
| 05:16.57 | jhujhiti | macksss1: i've never upgrades a debian install -- can't help |
| 05:16.58 | jetscreamer | just do it it will either do something, then you did need to, or it won't do jack, in which case you didn't need to |
| 05:17.02 | Vasistha | macksss1: uname -r |
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| 05:18.10 | Vasistha | Taa5i: I'm inclined to suggest you pastebin your lspci and lsusb although I'm not entirely sure that I'll be able to help you from there ;) |
| 05:18.26 | macksss1 | Vasistha, 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 05:18.28 | jhujhiti | what the hell. what does xkb have to do with video drivers? it looks like this is a problem with the ati binary blob drivers |
| 05:19.13 | rahul | jhujhiti: yikes |
| 05:19.17 | xoz | !tell macksss1 -about sarge->etch |
| 05:19.18 | BloodSkin | how do i install debian on my toaster? |
| 05:19.22 | rahul | my head is gonna start spinning soon |
| 05:19.42 | hark | Taa5i: have you checked with different devices/cables? |
| 05:19.42 | rahul | and my fist is gonna start bashing BloodSkin's head soon |
| 05:19.42 | Guerin | BloodSkin: with a fork, while standing in a metal tub of saline solution, naked |
| 05:20.27 | rahul | BloodSkin: with a splintery wooden spoon up your ass |
| 05:20.27 | Taa5i | hark, I've tried a usb stick, and two wifi adapters, both plug in directly. |
| 05:20.27 | macksss1 | xoz, i don;t know what my architecture is for sure :-/ |
| 05:20.27 | Vasistha | macksss1: ahha. hum. So, you haven't upgraded your kernel yet -- well, I think I would go ahead and do what apt-get suggested -- run with -f (which stands for fix) and also install a 2.6.18 kernel, perhaps linux-image-2.6-686 if that sounds appropriate for you |
| 05:20.27 | rahul | preferably combine the two techniques for optimal performance |
| 05:20.27 | Vasistha | macksss1: is it a pentium? |
| 05:20.29 | jhujhiti | rahul: yes, i wish i had waited a while to buy this laptop =( |
| 05:20.39 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i think...how do i fund out? |
| 05:20.43 | hachi | I just issued 'reboot' to my machine, it's not doing anything now |
| 05:20.44 | macksss1 | find |
| 05:20.45 | jhujhiti | rahul: but for $2000, dammit, i'm going to make it work. |
| 05:20.54 | xoz | macksss1: lspci |
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| 05:21.15 | jhujhiti | lspci will tell you the processor type? since when? |
| 05:21.23 | jhujhiti | macksss1: head /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:21.23 | *** mode/#debian [-v BloodSkin] by eeyore- |
| 05:21.37 | Guerin | !beer eeyore- |
| 05:21.45 | rahul | eeyore-: I think you want +q on his mask |
| 05:21.57 | macksss1 | jhujhiti, model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz |
| 05:22.07 | eeyore- | rahul: xchat didn't do that? :-p |
| 05:22.20 | xoz | macksss1: apt-get -f install and cross your finger |
| 05:22.34 | rahul | 01:21 -!- mode/#debian [-v BloodSkin] by eeyore- |
| 05:22.44 | eeyore- | rahul: so much for xchat :-p |
| 05:22.48 | rahul | heh |
| 05:22.58 | cafuego | eeyore- just lot some leet points |
| 05:23.02 | jhujhiti | rahul: can you tell me if you have anything in /var/lib/xkb? |
| 05:23.02 | cafuego | lost |
| 05:23.20 | eeyore- | cafuego: well it's better than bitchx arbitrarily enforcing the banlist :-) |
| 05:23.39 | cafuego | bitchx would mean you lose ALL leet points |
| 05:23.43 | Guerin | * better than bitchx * always returns true |
| 05:23.46 | eeyore- | oh be quiet ... |
| 05:23.51 | macksss1 | xoz, is that for intel? |
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| 05:24.05 | xoz | macksss1: yep |
| 05:24.16 | cafuego | Guerin: It's actually listed *LIKE THAT* in the gcc docs. |
| 05:24.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:24.43 | Taa5i | !pastebin |
| 05:24.43 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 05:24.43 | eeyore- | so what are the latest and greatest toys you got to play with at work? |
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| 05:25.15 | cafuego | eeyore-: who? |
| 05:25.23 | Vasistha | macksss1: yeah, so '686' architecture should work fine for you. linux-image-2.6-686 ... I have no idea if you're running SMP |
| 05:25.56 | eeyore- | cafuego: all of you |
| 05:25.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:25.57 | macksss1 | Vasistha, so do you agree with xoz and that i should run apt-get -f install |
| 05:26.11 | jetscreamer | macksss1: it can hurt nothing if you do |
| 05:26.13 | xoz | macksss1: don't agree with me |
| 05:26.17 | jetscreamer | well theoretically |
| 05:26.41 | eeyore- | we just got delivery of this monster dell blade box, 7U, 10 blades, 265 friggin pounds ... my back hurted for a while |
| 05:26.47 | Vasistha | macksss1: I think so, yeah. I had to do that myself when I upgraded. But I think you should also install the newer kernel when you do it. apt-get -f install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 05:26.50 | macksss1 | what does -f even do? |
| 05:26.54 | xoz | macksss1: agree with apt-get |
| 05:27.02 | Taa5i | Vasistha: http://paste.debian.net/26526 http://paste.debian.net/26527 http://paste.debian.net/26528 |
| 05:27.02 | xoz | macksss1: man apt-get |
| 05:27.03 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, I told you a good long time ago -- it's for "fix" |
| 05:27.06 | rahul | eeyore-: a 15 inch dildo |
| 05:27.19 | jetscreamer | linux-image metapackages are not for everybody |
| 05:27.28 | hark | your back hurts too? ;) |
| 05:27.36 | rahul | eeyore-: I mean wooden spoon |
| 05:27.52 | macksss1 | so do apt-get -f install linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 05:27.54 | eeyore- | and it wants its own 30amps circuit ... all to itself :-p hog |
| 05:28.04 | xoz | macksss1: just apt-get -f install |
| 05:28.20 | rahul | eeyore-: is that your workstation? |
| 05:28.25 | cafuego | eeyore-: well |
| 05:28.37 | cafuego | eeyore-: My newest bestest toy at work is a new 500G harddisk |
| 05:28.38 | Vasistha | Taa5i: ahha, I can see from your dmesg that you have tried plugging and unplugging these several times... :P |
| 05:28.41 | cwheeler | 220volt eeyore- ? |
| 05:28.58 | cafuego | eeyore-: Still waiting for funding for the virtualisation server ;-) |
| 05:29.07 | Taa5i | Vasistha: Just a couple ;) |
| 05:29.17 | rahul | model name : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 250 |
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| 05:29.31 | black_13 | what package installs lspci |
| 05:29.34 | cafuego | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+ |
| 05:29.35 | eeyore- | cwheeler: yeah |
| 05:29.39 | rahul | small cache tho cache size : 1024 KB |
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| 05:29.56 | cafuego | rahul: that's twice my cache |
| 05:30.04 | resudaed | !ndiswrapper |
| 05:30.05 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 05:30.13 | hark | black_13: pciutils |
| 05:30.15 | Vasistha | rahul: 1024 KB is considered a small cache? wow. |
| 05:30.16 | resudaed | grrr, where's the one liner? |
| 05:30.35 | cafuego | rahul: A friend on mine got their new vmware machine last week; some HP box with 4xdual core Xeons with 16Mb L2 cache each |
| 05:30.36 | hark | !tell resudaed about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 05:30.45 | macksss1 | xoz, ap-get -f install fixed a lot of stuff |
| 05:30.50 | resudaed | cheers |
| 05:30.59 | cafuego | cpu model : BCM3302 V0.8 |
| 05:31.02 | hachi | I finally unmounted all my drives, killed all processes, machine still wouldn't halt... shutdown -n now hung... half -f worked |
| 05:31.25 | jetscreamer | -n? |
| 05:31.32 | xoz | macksss1: as expected |
| 05:31.32 | PingFloyd | try shutdown -h now |
| 05:31.37 | rahul | half? |
| 05:31.46 | resudaed | ooh, tis bulding, after 2 hours of copying dependacies over usb stick and rebooting each time :-> !! |
| 05:31.48 | hachi | 'dont use init, try to halt forcefully' |
| 05:31.55 | jetscreamer | [DEPRECATED] Don't call init(8) to do the shutdown but do it ourself |
| 05:31.57 | cafuego | rahul: Mine has 512Kb |
| 05:32.03 | hachi | halt -f actually tells the kernel to halt the machine |
| 05:32.08 | cafuego | (but it's not an opteron) |
| 05:32.08 | jhujhiti | amd processors have tiny caches. |
| 05:32.17 | macksss1 | xoz, i am looking at the upgrade page you sent me (the link) and can't figure out how to upgrade :-/ all i know is not to use apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:32.21 | eeyore- | cafuego: 16MB of L2 cache per CPU? |
| 05:32.26 | cafuego | eeyore-: yah |
| 05:32.34 | Amarande | cafuego: *drool* |
| 05:32.37 | rahul | eeyore-: pre pair of cores |
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| 05:32.41 | Amarande | I have ... one dual core processor |
| 05:32.42 | Amarande | lol |
| 05:32.45 | cafuego | jhujhiti: otoh, ebcause they don't have a retarded FSB design they don't need that much cache ;-) |
| 05:33.01 | rahul | heh |
| 05:33.02 | jhujhiti | cafuego: nonsense |
| 05:33.06 | cafuego | Amarande: Production box for a large aircraft manufacturer |
| 05:33.07 | rahul | jhujhiti: sense |
| 05:33.11 | hachi | AHHAH!, libnss-ldap is installed on this machine, and the machine can't contact the ldap server |
| 05:33.14 | Amarande | awww |
| 05:33.15 | rahul | intel doesn't know how to use a decent bus arch |
| 05:33.19 | jhujhiti | that's true |
| 05:33.29 | Amarande | there's so many other things you could do with a four-dual-core-Xeon box, though! |
| 05:33.29 | rahul | that's why they can't scale past 6 CPUs well |
| 05:33.29 | xoz | !tell macksss1 -about etch |
| 05:33.31 | eeyore- | i think the dell's we just got has 2MB per core, 8MB per blade total (2 x dualcore per blade) |
| 05:33.33 | hachi | why does everything need to contact the ldap server? isn't this a sign that ownership of files is wrong or something? |
| 05:33.33 | Amarande | like a good game of chess :) |
| 05:33.34 | jhujhiti | but the fact that amd has a better arch doesn't mean the cache is less useful. |
| 05:33.42 | jhujhiti | it can be used for something else. |
| 05:33.55 | cafuego | jhujhiti: I don't even want to think about how often such boxes need to lock the cache for a core and have the other one idle. |
| 05:34.10 | rahul | jhujhiti: it's less _necessary_ |
| 05:34.15 | jhujhiti | my ten-ish-year-old ultra2 has 4megs of cache per processor, and they're only 400mhz. and sun knows how to design a bus |
| 05:34.15 | cafuego | jhujhiti: intel ones, with their shared cache, that is |
| 05:34.22 | Vasistha | Taa5i: wish I had some advice for you :P heck, uhm, may as well ask the basics: what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:34.44 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: there goes the Sun cheerleading camp again :) |
| 05:34.54 | Taa5i | Vasistha: 2.6.18-4-686, clean install when Etch went stable. |
| 05:34.56 | cafuego | I use my 512Kb of L2 to render falling lweaves on the desktop, with beryl. What do you use your L2 for? ;-) |
| 05:35.05 | rahul | jhujhiti: sun knows how to design a bus to use a crappy strategy but get the best possible performance for that |
| 05:35.09 | jhujhiti | cafuego: i like them, but i also like anything that's not related to x86. |
| 05:35.23 | rahul | jhujhiti: anyone else just uses a decent strategy and gets it over with :) |
| 05:35.31 | cafuego | jhujhiti: I thought so too until I ahd a play with this *kick* alpha. |
| 05:35.47 | jhujhiti | cafuego: the alpha is (was =( ) a nice processor. |
| 05:35.54 | eeyore- | we still can't run sims worth a damn on suns :) it's got to be xeons or amd64 these days |
| 05:36.01 | Vasistha | Taa5i: have you done a google.com/linux search for that usb hub you've got? |
| 05:36.12 | rahul | the alpha workstations were crappily designed |
| 05:36.22 | jhujhiti | workstations, ick =( |
| 05:36.39 | Taa5i | Vasistha, not so far, I've just searched for the error messages. |
| 05:36.41 | Vasistha | Taa5i: oh, and of course the other question -- do the usb devices work if you plug directly into a usb port, rather than the hub? |
| 05:37.01 | Taa5i | Vasistha: Yes indeed :) |
| 05:37.02 | macksss1 | xoz, since i have intel 686 do i read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes.en.txt ? |
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| 05:37.21 | Vasistha | macksss1: that looks good |
| 05:37.34 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thank you |
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| 05:38.06 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: tell me, for raw computing performance, would you still use suns *today*? |
| 05:38.33 | OmnipotentEntity | Is anyone aware of a 64-bit release of VMWare? |
| 05:38.49 | cafuego | OmnipotentEntity: The tarball they offer works fine on x64_64 |
| 05:38.50 | jhujhiti | eeyore-: they're not cost effective |
| 05:38.58 | jhujhiti | eeyore-: if i had unlimited money, probably yes. |
| 05:39.00 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: if cost wasn't a factor |
| 05:39.02 | xoz | macksss1: yep |
| 05:39.06 | macksss1 | Vasistha, on that page i can't figure out what i need to do...it's a bit over my head :( |
| 05:39.09 | OmnipotentEntity | cafuego, then it must be just me. |
| 05:39.18 | cafuego | OmnipotentEntity: Probably ;-) |
| 05:39.20 | rahul | eeyore-: then heat production would be :) |
| 05:39.32 | resudaed | managed to build it, going forsome fresh air before I try and get it working now |
| 05:39.34 | cafuego | OmnipotentEntity: Oh, it needs patchoing to work on 2.6.18+ ekrnels |
| 05:39.34 | eeyore- | rahul: just about everything else is stacked against sun today ... |
| 05:39.38 | jhujhiti | eeyore-: but in the future i can see that not being the case. they can't compete on the development of their architecture with intel and amd. |
| 05:39.41 | cafuego | patching, too |
| 05:39.42 | rahul | eeyore-: yeah |
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| 05:39.55 | rahul | jhujhiti: or ibm, for that matter |
| 05:39.55 | OmnipotentEntity | ah |
| 05:39.59 | jhujhiti | eeyore-: but i've read the sparc v9 architecture manual. it's a *very* nice processor |
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| 05:40.01 | OmnipotentEntity | That's probably my problem |
| 05:40.12 | OmnipotentEntity | cafuego, do you know where I can obtain these patches? |
| 05:40.17 | cafuego | Just googling now |
| 05:40.22 | rahul | well, not sure if ibm is really heading in that direction any more. not like mainframes are all that compute-intensive |
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| 05:41.19 | jhujhiti | rahul: what's that? |
| 05:41.22 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, it's a general page with advice for all sorts of different aspects of configuration. What do you *want* to do? And, I would advise installing an etch kernel, if you haven't done so already |
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| 05:41.40 | macksss1 | Vasistha, that is exactly what i am tryign to do |
| 05:41.49 | macksss1 | Vasistha, update to Etch |
| 05:41.55 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: well, you know what .. for our workload (simulating the physics of different physical implementations of chip designs, i.e., 65nm, 45nm, and smaller), beautiful architecture doesn't get the job done. brute force does :-) |
| 05:42.03 | Vasistha | macksss1: oh, do I need to tell you again? Okay, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 05:42.06 | Sebboh | Oh, I'm already here. Whoops. |
| 05:42.18 | Vasistha | macksss1: you're almost done with the upgrade, except for the kernel. |
| 05:42.19 | jhujhiti | eeyore-: i'm a fan of elegance. |
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| 05:42.26 | macksss1 | Vasistha, sorry i never had to do that when i upgraded from woody to sarge |
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| 05:42.31 | maddash | `dd if=/dev/random of=secstorkey bs=1024 count=2` writes no more than 300B over the course of several tries -- wtf? |
| 05:42.43 | cafuego | OmnipotentEntity: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz |
| 05:43.00 | Vasistha | macksss1: oh, well, see, the renamed the kernel image packages from kernel-image-2.x to linux-image-2.x |
| 05:43.02 | OmnipotentEntity | Thank you very much cafuego |
| 05:43.18 | cafuego | np |
| 05:43.25 | Sebboh | Question. My /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid .. What's up with that? Is it lenny, or sid? My apt/sources.list only contains sid lines. |
| 05:43.43 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i see the command you gave me which contained the kernel image. :-/ |
| 05:43.45 | jetscreamer | then it's sid |
| 05:43.46 | streuner | most likely unstable then |
| 05:43.54 | jetscreamer | remember it used to say testing/unstable |
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| 05:44.00 | BloodSkin | so where exactly do i switch from amd64 to i386 in that windows installer? |
| 05:44.18 | rahul | Sebboh: uh, don;t you know how package propagation from unstable to testing works? |
| 05:44.20 | Vasistha | Sebboh: /etc/debian_version doesn't really distinguish between the two, since people often run a mix. The salient point there is that you're not running a *release* |
| 05:44.20 | jhujhiti | BloodSkin: the unsupported one? |
| 05:44.24 | BUMBACL0T | etch's default kernel automatically switch to SMP mode when using 2 cpu right? |
| 05:44.33 | BUMBACL0T | swtiches* |
| 05:44.33 | maxamillion | when i install thunar-archive-plugin is there some configuration i need to do in order to bind it to xarchiver? |
| 05:44.38 | jhujhiti | BloodSkin: the one you've been told several times debian has nothing to do with? |
| 05:44.38 | BloodSkin | the one whatshisface directed me to about a half hour ago |
| 05:44.44 | eeyore- | BUMBACL0T: cat /proc/cpuinfo, read the output? |
| 05:44.53 | Amarande | I still can't believe people run full blown sid |
| 05:45.04 | BloodSkin | well if its unsupported then why the fuck did you guys tell me to use it |
| 05:45.11 | BUMBACL0T | eeyore-, im saying, right now im using this 1cpu computer |
| 05:45.14 | eeyore- | Amarande: i've been running sid for, what, eight years or so now? |
| 05:45.18 | Sebboh | maddash, hey, I can answer that. =) Your /dev/random has stopped producing output because your system ran out of entropy. |
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| 05:45.23 | rahul | BloodSkin: because you kept bitching and whining about wanting to use it |
| 05:45.28 | BloodSkin | no no |
| 05:45.28 | jhujhiti | BUMBACL0T: i *believe* it's selected at install-time |
| 05:45.33 | Vasistha | Amarande: well, some people have got to, right? And some run sid+experimental. I'm grateful they're doing it, and I'm glad I'm not one of them! |
| 05:45.34 | BUMBACL0T | nvm, its SMP |
| 05:45.41 | BloodSkin | i kept bitching about not having any removable data |
| 05:45.41 | rahul | yes yes |
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| 05:45.57 | maddash | Sebboh: 'ran out of entropy'? that violates the second law of thermodynamics.. |
| 05:46.01 | eeyore- | BUMBACL0T: uname -a, does it say "SMP" somewhere in the output? |
| 05:46.15 | BloodSkin | and kept asking where the "official version" was since that fuck whos name started with g started saying to use it |
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| 05:46.16 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: I dunno about that, I think on bootup I get a message along the lines of "detected 1 cpu" |
| 05:46.30 | jhujhiti | Vasistha: well that's just the kernel doing it's thing |
| 05:46.33 | eeyore- | BloodSkin: be nice, i won't warn you again |
| 05:46.36 | BUMBACL0T | eeyore-, i know what you're saying; i was just making sure that the default kernel supports both single and dual cpu |
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| 05:46.44 | BloodSkin | good for you man, i dont give a shit |
| 05:46.45 | jhujhiti | Vasistha: ack, its. i don't make that mistake =( |
| 05:46.48 | macksss1 | Vasistha, please help ease my nerves...does this seem right? http://pastebin.ca/458940 |
| 05:46.50 | BloodSkin | your staff tells me to use something |
| 05:46.54 | eeyore- | BUMBACL0T: well, look, if it doesn't say SMP then it won't support SMP :) |
| 05:46.56 | Vasistha | jhujhiti: haha :D |
| 05:46.56 | rahul | "staff"? |
| 05:46.57 | BloodSkin | thgen says its unsupported |
| 05:46.57 | jhujhiti | staff? |
| 05:47.02 | BloodSkin | wtf is up with that |
| 05:47.06 | eeyore- | nobody is "my staff" :) |
| 05:47.08 | Vasistha | BloodSkin: we are not staff dude |
| 05:47.08 | rahul | that's the only staff in here |
| 05:47.10 | jhujhiti | STAFF!? |
| 05:47.19 | Sebboh | maddash, your kernel can get more entropy when you move the mouse and such... But unless you need *really* good random numbers, there is another /dev/random that doesn't run out. MAddash, I'm serious. =) The linux kernel contains an "entropy pool"... it is only large enough to generate about 300 random chars. When making large keys, you often have to move the mouse a lot, or wait a while... |
| 05:47.25 | rahul | a POINTY staff, no less |
| 05:47.36 | eeyore- | rahul: hey, suck it, staff! |
| 05:47.39 | Guerin | maddash: use urandom if you want unlimited randomness |
| 05:47.41 | eeyore- | heh heh |
| 05:47.44 | Guerin | though it's not properly random |
| 05:48.02 | Amarande | Blood and bloody ashes |
| 05:48.12 | Guerin | beer and beery beers |
| 05:48.14 | jhujhiti | maddash: it looks like you want to generate a key? don't use urandom. find a way to generate more entropy |
| 05:48.17 | Amarande | why are so many of the good X themes for bloody flaming Window Maker |
| 05:48.19 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, that *looks* good, I'd go for it |
| 05:48.20 | pstickne | kernel can't find enough entrophy itself? :( |
| 05:48.27 | jhujhiti | Amarande: because windowmaker kicks ass? |
| 05:48.29 | Sebboh | use, maddash, /dev/urandom. Thanks, guerin. |
| 05:48.33 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thanks...please hold my hand ;-) |
| 05:48.36 | Guerin | yes, if you're generating a gpg or similar key, you want proper randomness |
| 05:48.53 | jhujhiti | Sebboh: if he's doing crypto, urandom is *really* bad advice |
| 05:48.59 | Guerin | Amarande: because it's been around for *decades* |
| 05:49.25 | eeyore- | BTW did anybody notice or suspect truecrypt is .. uh .. fairly broken on amd64? |
| 05:49.39 | rahul | yay |
| 05:49.43 | Amarande | eeyore-, in 32 bit mode too? |
| 05:49.44 | macksss1 | Vasistha, it's done!!! did that mean it updated?!?! :-/ |
| 05:49.54 | macksss1 | Vasistha, err updated to Etch that is |
| 05:50.00 | Vasistha | macksss1: yeah, now you can reboot into your shiny new kernel |
| 05:50.01 | eeyore- | Amarande: heh, no. i didn't see catastrophic failures in 32-bit mode yet |
| 05:50.04 | OmnipotentEntity | cafuego, the patch does not seemed to have worked. Quick question, Is that patch for the 1.0.9 version of the software as the name seems to suggest? |
| 05:50.04 | rahul | that staff thing really did him in, heh |
| 05:50.10 | eeyore- | Amarande: it'd better not fail in 32-bit mode, darn it |
| 05:50.18 | Amarande | O |
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| 05:50.23 | Sebboh | Guerin, maddash, jhujhiti, right, don't use urandom for key generation purposes. The pgp docs recommend using the mouse and keyboard to generate entropy. (The kernel takes your human input and saves some of it .. in some way.) |
| 05:50.23 | Amarande | I'm not sure I've ever tried truecrypt yet |
| 05:50.25 | jhujhiti | haha, he had some kind of irc script. what a dork |
| 05:50.39 | Guerin | eeyore-: with a snake-oil name like TrueCrypt®™, I'm shocked! |
| 05:50.45 | maddash | Sebboh: mm. trackpoint here, so moving mouse is kinda hard. anyway, i solved the problem by ssh-ing into my school's server and "stealing its entropy." |
| 05:50.52 | macksss1 | Vasistha, should i just type reboot now? |
| 05:50.53 | maddash | jhujhiti: yep. |
| 05:50.59 | Vasistha | rahul: I guess so. I didn't say *anything* after that, he just left :D |
| 05:51.00 | eeyore- | Guerin: well actually it's quite nice with the plausible deniability stuff |
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| 05:51.03 | Guerin | Sebboh: it takes the timestamps and truncates them to some astronomical measure |
| 05:51.13 | rahul | at least it's not TruCryp |
| 05:51.14 | rahul | t |
| 05:51.21 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to use one of those little geiger counter things like that one guy came up with to generate random numbers, and link /dev/random to that |
| 05:51.27 | maddash | eeyore-: luks, my friend. luks. |
| 05:51.35 | Vasistha | macksss1: I think so, yeah. just to check -- it automatically did a grub update, right? |
| 05:51.39 | jhujhiti | Amarande: anything's possible. |
| 05:51.43 | rahul | Amarande: easier to use a transistor |
| 05:51.44 | maddash | Guerin: don't want to use urandom for my key. |
| 05:51.47 | Guerin | eeyore-: yeah, I heard it is. I just can't get over the name. Sounds like it shoudl have infinity-bit quantum unobtainium encryption or something |
| 05:51.55 | Guerin | maddash: that is wise. |
| 05:52.01 | Sebboh | Amarande, yes, it's called an external random number generator. You can also use your PC's radio card for that, I think. |
| 05:52.01 | eeyore- | maddash: with cryptsetup-luks, the header is right there for all to see. you can't even say "it's random data" since "cryptsetup luksDump" will tell you it's LUKS partition in no uncertain terms |
| 05:52.03 | macksss1 | grub update? |
| 05:52.03 | jhujhiti | Amarande: there are crypto chips though. most crypto accelerators have one, like HiFn chips |
| 05:52.11 | macksss1 | Vasistha, grub update? you mean apt-get update? |
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| 05:52.22 | jetscreamer | update-grub |
| 05:52.40 | jetscreamer | and there's a grub-update i think |
| 05:52.40 | ChrisW | heh, how appropriate ;-) |
| 05:52.49 | eeyore- | maddash: if it were possible for LUKS to say, "i don't know for sure if it is or not" then i'd be all for it |
| 05:52.50 | jetscreamer | one comes with grub the other is a debian script |
| 05:52.53 | ChrisW | jetscreamer: nope, there's one or other, never both |
| 05:52.54 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 05:52.55 | maddash | eeyore-: so what? |
| 05:52.56 | Vasistha | macksss1: if you paid attention while it was installing the new kernel, you might have noticed that it automatically ran update-grub. Or ... do you use grub or lilo? |
| 05:53.24 | Vasistha | why do people use lilo? Does it do anything better than grub? |
| 05:53.33 | ChrisW | okay, I have a machine that normally gets its ip by dhcp, but it started up with no network cable plugged in. Network cable is nopw plugged in, how do I get it to pick up its ip? |
| 05:53.36 | jhujhiti | does anyone have /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm? |
| 05:53.49 | Vasistha | ChrisW: try this: ifup eth0 |
| 05:53.49 | jhujhiti | ChrisW: dhclient ethX |
| 05:53.58 | jhujhiti | ChrisW: his way is better, actually. |
| 05:53.58 | macksss1 | Vasistha, line 69 and 70? http://pastebin.ca/458945 |
| 05:54.00 | eeyore- | ChrisW: ifdown / ifup? restart dhclient? kill -HUP it? |
| 05:54.24 | ChrisW | Vasistha: thanks, that did it :-) |
| 05:54.24 | maddash | eeyore-: if CSI Miami ever broke into your house, the output of `cryptsetup luksDump [blah]` only screams "bring it, biotch." |
| 05:54.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:54.56 | eeyore- | maddash: you could be compelled to provide password ... some countries like the UK have laws that demand you give up your password |
| 05:54.59 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, line 68 ;) looks good, I'd go ahead and reboot |
| 05:55.10 | macksss1 | reboot -r? or just reboot? |
| 05:55.17 | Amarande | eeyore-, such laws must be really fun for enforcers to try to give teeth to |
| 05:55.20 | maddash | eeyore-: then create a hidden volume inside your original luks partition |
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| 05:55.22 | Guerin | eeyore-: this is the major problem with crypto |
| 05:55.22 | jetscreamer | shutdown -r now |
| 05:55.24 | Amarande | seeing how many people forget their passwords :P |
| 05:55.33 | Guerin | maddash: because hidden volumes aren't detectable |
| 05:55.40 | eeyore- | maddash: what, you can have hidden volume inside LUKS? |
| 05:55.52 | macksss1 | jetscreamer, shutdown?!?! but i want to reboot :-/ |
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| 05:56.03 | jetscreamer | macksss1: the -r does that |
| 05:56.04 | jhujhiti | macksss1: it's the same command. |
| 05:56.11 | macksss1 | doh...sorry |
| 05:56.18 | jetscreamer | -h would halt |
| 05:56.20 | maddash | Guerin: because hidden volumes done properly look like random data, just like the unwritten space of the luks partition |
| 05:56.23 | Guerin | Amarande: "you forgot your password, you say? Ok, here's a week in prison, contempt of court. <one week later> still can't remember it? a month, obstruction of justice." <repeat> |
| 05:56.25 | jetscreamer | man shutdown |
| 05:56.26 | maddash | eeyore-: google it |
| 05:56.28 | Sebboh | eeyore-, maddash, filesystem in ram, daisy chain powerstrips around the room so that you're never too far from an off switch. =) |
| 05:56.30 | jhujhiti | no one has /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm? does your xkb work at all!? |
| 05:56.43 | Guerin | maddash: yes, and forensic computer technicians don't know this. |
| 05:57.01 | maxamillion | off a fresh xfce install image it claims i have the man-pages package installed but when i type "man gcc" it says there is no entry and the man page for aptitude is rather mis-formatted ... any thoughts? (yes, i checked the md5sum on the image) |
| 05:57.13 | maxamillion | etch xfce install image* |
| 05:57.27 | eeyore- | maddash: i don't see anything that mentions "hidden" near LUKS ... |
| 05:57.39 | eeyore- | maddash: AFAIK cryptsetup-luks doesn't support this one feature |
| 05:57.39 | Vasistha | maxamillion: install gcc-doc (I think) |
| 05:57.46 | jetscreamer | gcc manpages are in non-free iirc |
| 05:57.54 | maxamillion | Vasistha: ah, thanks |
| 05:57.57 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: why would they be? |
| 05:58.03 | jhujhiti | jetscreamer: what, no. |
| 05:58.09 | Sebboh | That makes very little sense. |
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| 05:58.24 | Vasistha | maxamillion: well, because they got licensed differently recently, so debian had to move them to non-free |
| 05:58.27 | jhujhiti | they're GDL'ed just like all other GNU docs |
| 05:58.41 | Sebboh | Uhoh, what did I come in here for? I'm chatting.. :/ Goodnight, all. Thanks. |
| 05:58.59 | Guerin | Vasistha: no, the license remained the same. Debian policy changed. |
| 05:59.11 | eeyore- | Guerin: so if you have hidden volume in truecrypt you can choose which volume to show |
| 05:59.16 | Guerin | short answer: gnu FDL isn't a free license per the DFSG. |
| 05:59.29 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder if Debian policy is too crusader for its own good |
| 05:59.38 | Guerin | Amarande: a lot of people wonder that. |
| 05:59.45 | Amarande | yeah, that's really going to attract new users to Debian |
| 05:59.49 | maxamillion | yeah ... gcc considered "non-free" .... i don't get that |
| 06:00.01 | Guerin | Amarande: debian's brief has never been about attracting new users. That's red hat. |
| 06:00.02 | Amarande | when they have to manually edit their sources.list just to even know that the gcc documentation even exists |
| 06:00.07 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.16 | Guerin | (and mand* and lin* and so on) |
| 06:00.19 | jetscreamer | i dunno what nv3-1 is though |
| 06:00.23 | jetscreamer | err nf3-1 |
| 06:00.43 | Guerin | aah, burning spear |
| 06:00.51 | resudaed | ok, I have my nic up and running (except for the wpa bit) |
| 06:00.57 | maxamillion | Vasistha: that's not it ... and i even "aptitude purge manpages" "aptitude clean" "aptitude install manpages" and the man page entry for aptitude is still really mis-formatted |
| 06:01.04 | eeyore- | resudaed: wpa_supplicant |
| 06:01.06 | munson | my system cannot detect the mouse. Xorg.0.log has the line "cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device or dir". i am using a usb mouse. lsusb does not list the mouse either. what could be wrong? |
| 06:01.22 | Guerin | munson: what kernel? |
| 06:01.23 | resudaed | does anyone have any suggestions for a nice tool for configuring wireless setting (including wpa) that can run from console? |
| 06:01.25 | maxamillion | Vasistha: "that's not it" was reguarding the gcc-docs package |
| 06:01.26 | jetscreamer | munson: try modprobe mousedev |
| 06:01.35 | munson | Guerin: 2.6.17 |
| 06:01.36 | macksss1 | Vasistha, it rebooted!!! yay, thank you and thank you to the rest of #debian who helped |
| 06:01.41 | Vasistha | maxamillion: yeah, I have probs with the aptitude manpage, too; nowadays I just read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README or something ... I forget the actual path |
| 06:01.56 | Vasistha | macksss1: hey, you're welcome! `uname -r` shows your new kernel now, right? |
| 06:02.01 | Guerin | munson: modprobe ohci-hcd uhci-hcd ehci-hcd hid mousedev psmouse usbhid |
| 06:02.06 | maxamillion | Vasistha: oh, ok .. thanks ... i just use man pages all the time for quick references |
| 06:02.12 | Guerin | munson: one or more of those should work |
| 06:02.13 | macksss1 | Vasistha, 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 06:02.35 | maddash | eeyore-: hm, i confused luks with its windows counterpart, freeofte. you're right, luks has no hidden volume capabilities. |
| 06:02.42 | jetscreamer | munson: you have to modprobe them individually i believe, not like apt-get install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3... |
| 06:02.55 | Hoxzer | what does ntpd use to find out the location of the server? |
| 06:03.00 | resudaed | or know how I can find out what encryption my network is using? |
| 06:03.04 | munson | Guerin: jetscreamer: k, thks. |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | Hoxzer: it has a config file. |
| 06:03.07 | maddash | eeyore-: freeotfe* |
| 06:03.15 | jetscreamer | aka what you told it to use |
| 06:03.20 | Vasistha | macksss1: awesome. you're done! When you feel like taking the time to do so, I would recommend learning how to use the aptitude front-end. It's a much more powerful way of managing your packages than apt-get |
| 06:03.24 | Guerin | resudaed: iwscan list |
| 06:03.26 | maxamillion | Vasistha: any other thoughts on where to find the gcc man page? |
| 06:03.29 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i can now run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade like normal right? |
| 06:03.33 | Guerin | resudaed: you may need to put your card in `monitor' mode |
| 06:03.37 | Vasistha | macksss1: yeah, should work fine |
| 06:03.42 | jetscreamer | aptitude update aptitude upgrade |
| 06:03.44 | Hoxzer | Guerin: is it ntp.conf? |
| 06:03.45 | Vasistha | maxamillion: well, do you have non-free in your sources.list ? |
| 06:03.52 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thanks will do...as for now i am going to make a donation for debian on the spi website...thanks |
| 06:04.02 | Guerin | Hoxzer: probably something like that. See also /etc/default/* |
| 06:04.12 | Vasistha | macksss1: that's awesome, thanks!! I hope some day to people to donate myself. |
| 06:04.15 | eeyore- | resudaed: no, suck it up and edit the /etc/wpa_supplicant/* files |
| 06:04.22 | Vasistha | macksss1: s/people/be able/ |
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| 06:04.27 | eeyore- | resudaed: it's not hard |
| 06:04.57 | maxamillion | Vasistha: yes |
| 06:04.58 | macksss1 | Vasistha, is this to upgrade to Etch completely? http://pastebin.ca/458948 i got that when i did apt-get upgrade |
| 06:05.07 | Amarande | sigh, I wanted a nice wheel of time theme for gnome and instead all the wot themes are for wm |
| 06:05.10 | Hoxzer | Guerin: can fidn anything indicating location |
| 06:05.20 | maxamillion | Vasistha: the gcc-docs package installed .. just didn't have the man pages in it |
| 06:05.34 | Guerin | Hoxzer: it should be using pool.ntp.org |
| 06:05.42 | Guerin | rgrep /etc/ for that |
| 06:05.49 | Vasistha | macksss1: there are two indicators that you've upgraded: cat /etc/debian_version should say 4.0, and uname -r should give you a 2.6.18 kernel ... and since you've got both of those, and apt is working smoothly (i.e. without broken dependencies) then yes, you're done |
| 06:06.03 | resudaed | I don't really understand the gubbins of wpa, but from what I can tell it is usin eap-ms-chap-v2 |
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| 06:06.30 | macksss1 | version 4.0 |
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| 06:06.35 | Vasistha | maxamillion: ohhh ... weird. huh. hmm. Well, I'd be inclined to have aptitude reinstall it, and do a dpkg -c on the package to see what files are contained in the package |
| 06:06.41 | maddash | eeyore-: hm, if you create a loopback device (iinstead of a partition) for LUKS, can't you manually gpg the luks header? |
| 06:06.42 | Hoxzer | Guerin: it would better to use server that is near yoru location |
| 06:06.42 | hark | macksss1: dpkg -L gcc-doc |
| 06:06.50 | maxamillion | Vasistha: ok, will do |
| 06:06.50 | macksss1 | Vasistha, so all those packages are just needed to be upgrades |
| 06:06.52 | macksss1 | upgraded |
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| 06:07.28 | Vasistha | macksss1: oh, err, crap, I just looked at your paste |
| 06:07.33 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18 left sid today it seems |
| 06:07.38 | eeyore- | maddash: of course you could manually manage the header yourself (even if you used a partition) --- the point is not to have to do it yourself :) |
| 06:07.41 | macksss1 | Vasistha, shit i just said yes to it |
| 06:07.53 | Vasistha | macksss1: maybe you're not done! oh, well, probably shouldn't hurt. |
| 06:08.09 | macksss1 | Vasistha, it's still at the install process |
| 06:08.10 | Vasistha | macksss1: although nothing should be held back, I don't think. Maybe you need to issue a dist-upgrade again |
| 06:08.11 | maddash | eeyore-: er, write a script |
| 06:08.16 | eeyore- | maddash: and it still doesn't get around the plausible deniability part ... |
| 06:08.25 | Vasistha | macksss1: you've done an apt-get update recently, right? (as opposed to upgrade) |
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| 06:08.38 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i did it before the reboot |
| 06:08.39 | eeyore- | maddash: someone could say, here's a large partition, and we find what looks like LUKS header here in this file, tell us more about it ... |
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| 06:08.52 | eeyore- | maddash: although i suppose it doesn't completely absolve truecrypt either |
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| 06:09.03 | Vasistha | macksss1: did you do it before you did the original dist-upgrade I hope? |
| 06:09.13 | maddash | eeyore-: you realize that truecrypt "hidden volumes" also use a header, right? |
| 06:09.17 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i never did a dist-upgrade :( |
| 06:09.21 | eeyore- | maddash: now that i think about it ... if you were to mount a truecrypt volume (with hidden volume) and you ... |
| 06:09.28 | macksss1 | Vasistha, dpkg told me not to |
| 06:09.29 | eeyore- | maddash: according to the docs it doesn't |
| 06:09.44 | Vasistha | macksss1: oh! huh, weird, yet it listed your debian_version as 4.0 anyway. Well, you need to do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:09.52 | maxamillion | Vasistha: strange ... "aptitude search gcc-docs" gives me a 'v' flag on it, but "aptitude install gcc-docs" doesn't install anything ... thoughts? |
| 06:10.04 | macksss1 | Vasistha, how do i cancel out of the apt-get upgrade then? :-/ |
| 06:10.07 | eeyore- | maddash: ... and you mount the "public" portion and write some files to it, the minute the write hits the hidden volume there would be no valid filesystem, so that's one way to detect hidden volume, i guess |
| 06:10.14 | Vasistha | macksss1: ctrl-c |
| 06:10.28 | Vasistha | macksss1: and worry not -- your downloads will continue where they left off |
| 06:10.28 | Guerin | Hoxzer: no, it's better to use the pool |
| 06:10.30 | maxamillion | Vasistha: same thing happens with "aptitude re-install gcc-docs" ... nothing :/ |
| 06:10.40 | hark | maxamillion: drop the s |
| 06:10.45 | eeyore- | maddash: would be *nice* if truecrypt would find some way to transparently handle this, maybe substituting fake FAT data? hmm ... no |
| 06:10.51 | Guerin | Hoxzer: pool.ntp.org is a round-robin, and the amounts of data are so trivial it's not using anything else |
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| 06:11.12 | maxamillion | hark: same result ... and the package is showing up in my search with the s included |
| 06:11.16 | macksss1 | Vasistha, http://pastebin.ca/458951 |
| 06:11.27 | maddash | eeyore-: "As of TrueCrypt 4.0, it is possible to write data to an outer volume without risking that a hidden volume within it will get damaged (overwritten)." |
| 06:11.31 | maxamillion | hark: err.. the package name has the 's' |
| 06:11.38 | eeyore- | maddash: that's not what i'm talking about |
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| 06:11.52 | maddash | 02:10:07 <eeyore-> maddash: ... and you mount the "public" portion and write some files to it, the minute the write hits the hidden volume there would be no valid filesystem, so that's one way to detect hidden volume, i guess |
| 06:11.59 | Bloodskin | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s05.html.en#files-lilo |
| 06:12.00 | Guerin | maddash: my point is that the `hidden' volume has to be detectable somehow |
| 06:12.03 | eeyore- | maddash: i'm talking about the scenario where YOU don't care about the overwriting of the data any more |
| 06:12.03 | Vasistha | macksss1: looks good to me |
| 06:12.04 | Bloodskin | thats what ive been looking for |
| 06:12.06 | Vasistha | macksss1: wait |
| 06:12.13 | jhujhiti | Guerin: "has to be"? why? |
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| 06:12.16 | Vasistha | macksss1: you're not running in X, are you? You're in single-user mode? |
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| 06:12.17 | zophy | is there a debian community preferred contro; panel for webhosting ? |
| 06:12.21 | Hoxzer | does somebody else agree with Guerin ? |
| 06:12.31 | jhujhiti | Guerin: they can just have you remember the offset. |
| 06:12.35 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i am running it through ssh over the net |
| 06:12.36 | Guerin | jhujhiti: right |
| 06:12.42 | eeyore- | Guerin: yeah, i guess it's actually detectable, but you could say it's corrupted filesystem :) |
| 06:12.43 | Guerin | jhujhiti: either |
| 06:12.48 | jhujhiti | the encrypted data should look random enough |
| 06:12.49 | eeyore- | Guerin: it sure would be convenient ... |
| 06:12.57 | maxamillion | zophy: what all you need it to do? |
| 06:12.58 | Vasistha | macksss1: ohh ... heh, yeah, that's kinda scary, huh? afaik it's been going smoothly for most people, though |
| 06:13.00 | Ravn | anyone know Inkscape that can tell be if it is possible to rescale a text-box w.o. the thaxt rescaling as well. Instead I want the text to fill the new box |
| 06:13.03 | Guerin | jhujhiti: either it has some sort of pointer, or you need to remember the offset and key it manually each time |
| 06:13.08 | OmnipotentEntity | A rundown for everyone then, I'm attempting to install VMWare on my box. I'm running a 64-bit system, with kernel version 2.6.18, attempting to installed VMWare 1.0.3. I seem to be running into a brick wall, when I start up vmplayer with no arguments I just get this line repeated about a hundred times. |
| 06:13.13 | OmnipotentEntity | Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
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| 06:13.18 | zophy | maxamillion, something similar to plesk |
| 06:13.21 | Guerin | in which case you NEVER have plausible deniability, because there's arguably ALWAYS more data on the disk |
| 06:13.22 | jhujhiti | Guerin: well, do you want real security or not? =P |
| 06:13.32 | maddash | Guerin: not really. |
| 06:13.39 | Bloodskin | how do i get ahold of microsoft tech support? (and actually get an answer that doesnt involve buying a new copy of the os you currently have) |
| 06:13.42 | jhujhiti | Guerin: hmm, how so? |
| 06:13.44 | Guerin | jhujhiti: yes, of course. But it means that if you MIGHT be hiding something, they can presume you ARE. |
| 06:13.52 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: think about it |
| 06:13.53 | maddash | Guerin: , eeyore-: http://www.truecrypt.org/hiddenvolume.php <--- read the last two paragraphs |
| 06:13.54 | jhujhiti | Guerin: it would be the same as it is now, but with no way for them to discover it |
| 06:13.58 | cafuego | Bloodskin: Maybe you're not on the right channel/ |
| 06:14.03 | maxamillion | zophy: hmm.... yeah, i wouldn't have a solid recommendation personally ... sorry :( |
| 06:14.06 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, you have to pay about $45/hr to get it. |
| 06:14.11 | jhujhiti | Guerin: how is that any different than with a header? |
| 06:14.15 | OmnipotentEntity | Or have a problem with Windows Update. |
| 06:14.24 | Bloodskin | wait wait wait |
| 06:14.26 | jetscreamer | Bloodskin: the ms kb |
| 06:14.29 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: you go to ##windows and stop asking irrelevant questions here. |
| 06:14.34 | jhujhiti | Guerin: assuming the law works on an innocent-until-proven-guilty system |
| 06:14.36 | eeyore- | maddash: dude, we're not talking about "protection" |
| 06:14.39 | macksss1 | Vasistha, so with that last paste i sent ya. I should just type Yes? |
| 06:14.42 | Guerin | jhujhiti: right, which is deniability only in as far as they have to prove the presence of an additional volume, rather than the *potential* presence. |
| 06:14.43 | macksss1 | Vasistha, or Y |
| 06:14.45 | eeyore- | maddash: you misunderstood us a while back |
| 06:14.59 | maddash | eeyore-: i think so, too. |
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| 06:15.03 | Guerin | jhujhiti: heh, we're on exactly the same wavelength., Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 06:15.10 | Bloodskin | have you heard about that upadate they released that wouldnt let vista users sign into their accounts? |
| 06:15.20 | jhujhiti | heh |
| 06:15.20 | eeyore- | maddash: look, say you have a truecrypt volume of size A+B gigabytes where A is the "public" portion and B is the hidden portion |
| 06:15.25 | jetscreamer | can enywun halp meh wid muh wfw3.11 inztall??? |
| 06:15.35 | Vasistha | macksss1: doesn't matter between y/Y/yes ... I think it should be good to go ... although, I need to verify, did you read the upgrade notes to make sure your particular system shouldn't have any issues? |
| 06:15.38 | Bloodskin | idk if it was real but peopl were talking about it |
| 06:15.44 | eeyore- | maddash: let's say you're trying to convince someone that your A+B sized volume is just your financial data, ok, sounds good so far? |
| 06:15.44 | maddash | jetscreamer: stroke? |
| 06:15.51 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: can you please not talk about windows in here? the channel's busy enough as is |
| 06:15.58 | maddash | eeyore-: go on |
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| 06:16.03 | jetscreamer | ##windows |
| 06:16.08 | Bloodskin | oh, and i have a real question |
| 06:16.18 | macksss1 | Vasistha, no :-/ I didn't understand most of it and calling them notes??? it should be called a thesis!! ;-) |
| 06:16.18 | eeyore- | maddash: then when you mount it without giving the hidden volume password, then you get a supposedly A+B partition, right? |
| 06:16.24 | maddash | yep |
| 06:16.26 | Bloodskin | how do i wipe a drive that has a debian installation on it? |
| 06:16.39 | OmnipotentEntity | Darik's Boot And Nuke. |
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| 06:16.48 | jetscreamer | in the usual fashion |
| 06:16.52 | Bloodskin | let me guess |
| 06:16.52 | eeyore- | maddash: so you start to "dd if=/dev/zero of=/mounted/foo bs=1k" right? you start writing hopefully sequentially, eh? pretty soon you'll hit the area where B starts |
| 06:16.55 | Guerin | maddash: in which case they can always say `we have reason to believe there is further information on this device and will hold you until you reveal it'. |
| 06:16.57 | jetscreamer | aka however securely you want |
| 06:16.58 | Bloodskin | i have to burn it to a cd |
| 06:17.07 | eeyore- | maddash: and that's where hell will break lose, because B is not really a FAT partition anymore :) |
| 06:17.14 | OmnipotentEntity | You have to boot to it, yes. |
| 06:17.29 | OmnipotentEntity | You can't completely wipe a hard drive if the OS you're running is on the hard drive. |
| 06:17.38 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: untrue |
| 06:17.42 | maddash | eeyore-: huh? |
| 06:17.55 | maddash | eeyore-: you lost me at if=/dev/zero. why would you do that? |
| 06:17.57 | OmnipotentEntity | Guerin, I know, but it's true enough, unless you want to work at it. |
| 06:17.58 | eeyore- | maddash: you're looking at this from the point of view of somebody who's trying to figure out if you're lying about it being pure financial data or not |
| 06:17.59 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: you can unmount / and everything else once the dd is going ;) |
| 06:18.08 | Bloodskin | thus rendering it useless for me. the only reliable removable data i have is an ipod which doesnt seem to function properly as a usb hdd with all the mods ive done |
| 06:18.23 | eeyore- | maddash: in other words, you're trying to test whether i'm telling you the truth about not having any hidden volume |
| 06:18.30 | jhujhiti | what the hell -- is this the same Bloodskin? |
| 06:18.30 | Guerin | Bloodskin: what gives you the impression we give a fuck? |
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| 06:18.39 | Guerin | jhujhiti: there can be only one |
| 06:18.45 | jhujhiti | Guerin: he's speaking in sentences |
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| 06:18.52 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, you might have an easier time scanning them in html format. But ... I mean, have you customized much on your box? Running any unusual packages? Or just a base system with X, apache, php, mysql, and a couple other gizmos? |
| 06:18.55 | Bloodskin | Guerin: what gives you the impression i was talking to your punk ass |
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| 06:18.57 | walrusmi | do the professional programmers in here prefer to work with "glossy" lcd screens? |
| 06:19.07 | Guerin | except instead of a katana he has a +5 bong of stupidification |
| 06:19.19 | maddash | eeyore-: aha. if eeyore- does not provide me with his B partition passwd, then the dd operation would keep on going. and B would be erased. |
| 06:19.21 | macksss1 | Vasistha, pretty uch a base system |
| 06:19.21 | Bloodskin | stupidification? |
| 06:19.24 | Guerin | walrusmi: what is this word `professional' of which you speak? |
| 06:19.25 | macksss1 | *much |
| 06:19.27 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, why the hate? Really? Anyway open up your /etc/fstab, and then unmount everything but / |
| 06:19.30 | maddash | eeyore-: s/erased/overwritten/ |
| 06:19.33 | Bloodskin | what happened to your "that word doesnt exist" speach |
| 06:19.35 | maddash | eeyore-: http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=hidden-volume-protection |
| 06:19.36 | eeyore- | maddash: no it won't be erased |
| 06:19.37 | Vasistha | macksss1: you'll probably be fine, then |
| 06:19.38 | walrusmi | professionals? we want to hear from you. |
| 06:19.38 | jhujhiti | maddash: better than them finding something. |
| 06:19.41 | macksss1 | kk |
| 06:19.49 | jetscreamer | buy a dvd burner |
| 06:19.50 | Guerin | Bloodskin: stupidification is a perfectly cromulent word |
| 06:20.02 | walrusmi | Guerin, gentlemen who make their money programming. |
| 06:20.07 | eeyore- | maddash: because i have the volume mounted, and I'm writing to it through the filesystem, which honors the filesystem-ish things |
| 06:20.08 | OmnipotentEntity | Then run dd of=/dev/hda if=/dev/zero bs=512k |
| 06:20.11 | OmnipotentEntity | Then umount / |
| 06:20.16 | Guerin | walrusmi: who are these `gentlemen' of which you speak? |
| 06:20.17 | eeyore- | maddash: don't quote the docs to me without trying to understand it :) |
| 06:20.29 | maddash | eeyore-: truecrypt only knows to protect the hidden volume iff you provide the correct secondary password |
| 06:20.31 | eeyore- | maddash: so when the write, through filesystem, not blind block i/o write |
| 06:20.33 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 06:20.41 | Bloodskin | hmm |
| 06:20.42 | eeyore- | maddash: I DON"T CARE ABOUT PROTECTING PASSWORD |
| 06:21.08 | Bloodskin | that would require debian being installed, would it not? |
| 06:21.24 | eeyore- | maddash: imagine ... i'm locked in a cell, my antagonist say "i don't believe you have financial data only, because when i write stuff to it the write always fails at this offset, which tells me the filesystem is no longer valid at this offset, which tells me you're lying to me" |
| 06:21.36 | walrusmi | we are interested in the wisdom of professionals with pragmatic experience because our own experience tells us that "commonsense" can often rather vary from actual realities. |
| 06:21.41 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, you don't have a valid OS installed? |
| 06:21.51 | Bloodskin | on this hdd, yes |
| 06:21.52 | Guerin | eeyore-: right. Because it won't overwrite the hidden volume. |
| 06:22.02 | maddash | Guerin: eeyore- yes it will. |
| 06:22.10 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, No shit, I'm talking about the target computer. |
| 06:22.12 | Bloodskin | and on the other hdd, i have debian amd64 gnome |
| 06:22.20 | Guerin | maddash: that's not what you said bbefore. From 4.0 it won't damage it. To write over it is to damage it. |
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| 06:22.47 | OmnipotentEntity | ok then, boot into single user mode on that box. |
| 06:22.50 | maddash | Guerin: eeyore- if you followed those links, you'd understand. |
| 06:22.57 | maddash | Guerin: , eeyore-: "It only decrypts its header (in RAM) and retrieves information about the size of the hidden volume (from the decrypted header)." |
| 06:22.59 | OmnipotentEntity | Unmount everything except /, /bin, and /dev |
| 06:23.04 | OmnipotentEntity | And then dd it. |
| 06:23.16 | OmnipotentEntity | And then umount everything else. |
| 06:23.21 | Bloodskin | its worth a shot |
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| 06:23.56 | walrusmi | The eyes are very delicate, yes. |
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| 06:24.08 | Guerin | maddash: hang on. The point is that having a hidden volume relies on there being free space. An easy way to either destroy the data, or to discover it, is to fill the free space. Filling it MUST do one of those two things; you already said it won't destroy it, therefore it's a triviasl way to discover it. |
| 06:24.09 | Bloodskin | wait, what exactly are you trying to instruct me to do? |
| 06:24.15 | walrusmi | They require the utmost care if they are to stay in good working order. |
| 06:24.17 | OmnipotentEntity | To wipe your hard drive. |
| 06:24.22 | Bloodskin | oh, ok |
| 06:24.27 | Bloodskin | just making sure |
| 06:24.37 | ChrisW | I seeem to be getting warning about locale settings whenever I install packages: any idea why that might be? |
| 06:24.47 | walrusmi | And you feel that matte not gloss is the step in the right direction? |
| 06:24.49 | OmnipotentEntity | Your hard drive *is* on hda right? |
| 06:24.54 | eeyore- | maddash: understand now? |
| 06:24.58 | ChrisW | says it's using the "C" locale, is that something i can fix later? |
| 06:25.03 | dondelelcaro | there's no way to make the existance of encrypted data impossible to find; the only thing you can do is obfuscate it and hide it |
| 06:25.12 | Guerin | ChrisW: something's not fully installed or set up. Try aptitude -f install; or dpkg-reconfigure locales to rebuild your locale settings. |
| 06:25.33 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, do you mind if I ask "Why?" though? |
| 06:25.44 | ChrisW | Guerin: okay, but will un unfubar all the packages that have decided to use the "C" locale? |
| 06:25.46 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: this is my point: you're in your cell saying `i told you all I know' and they can always say `there seems to be one more hidden volume there, Mr Elcaro.' |
| 06:25.55 | OmnipotentEntity | Because if you're planning on installing something else, you don't *need* to wipe the drive. |
| 06:25.58 | Guerin | ChrisW: they're not fubared. |
| 06:26.07 | maddash | Guerin: if truecrypt recognized the hidden volume, then eeyore- 's dd if=/dev/zero spam would stop after A GB |
| 06:26.12 | maddash | eeyore-: ^^ |
| 06:26.25 | OmnipotentEntity | And if you want to securely delete everything, a sufficiently motiviated person can still get at that data. |
| 06:26.32 | ChrisW | Guerin: but they're using the wrogn locale, no? will dpkg-configure locales fix that? |
| 06:26.47 | eeyore- | maddash: that assumes you'd give out the password to the hidden volume right? |
| 06:26.48 | maddash | Guerin: eeyore-; but if true crypt did not recognize the hidden volume, then the /dev/zero spam would **overwrite** the hidden volume. |
| 06:26.50 | Bloodskin | because im trying to get that hdd to be readable by this windows installation. my mobo detects it but windows doesnt, so i figured if i restored it that may fix the prob |
| 06:26.51 | Guerin | ChrisW: yeh, the locale is a system-wide run-time thing, not per-app. |
| 06:27.03 | eeyore- | maddash: why the fuck would you give people the hidden volume password so you could prevent the write to it? |
| 06:27.04 | maddash | eeyore-: yes. |
| 06:27.09 | ChrisW | then why does it keep showing up for every package install that uses a locale? |
| 06:27.17 | maddash | eeyore-: when did I ever suggest doing that? |
| 06:27.18 | Bloodskin | what i plan to do is do a network install by using a bootloader or something |
| 06:27.21 | Bloodskin | o |
| 06:27.28 | eeyore- | maddash: well because THAT is my scenario |
| 06:27.29 | Hoxzer | how can I tell init script to start program in display :0.0 ? |
| 06:27.30 | Guerin | maddash: well of course. It's a transparent filesystem. But /dev/zero isn't going to save your arse there. |
| 06:27.30 | Bloodskin | wait a minute. i may have an idea |
| 06:27.33 | Guerin | right |
| 06:27.37 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, all this is going to do is fuck up the mbr threeways from Sunday. If at all, this will make it less likely for windows to see it. |
| 06:27.44 | maddash | eeyore-: the whole point is to be able to give out only one password and deny the existence of the other. |
| 06:27.45 | eeyore- | maddash: someone is beating you over the head because he or she doesn't believe you're telling the truth about not having the hidden volume |
| 06:27.53 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, is it a SATA drive? |
| 06:27.56 | Guerin | anyone who designs a crypto system on the basis of having 10 seconds to hit a self-destruct key is doomed to failure |
| 06:27.56 | eeyore- | maddash: ok then, tell me this ... |
| 06:28.08 | eeyore- | maddash: if i only give out the public portion password, i only mount the public portion right? |
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| 06:28.14 | maddash | eeyore-: what if the CSI caught some child pornster who wasn't bright enough to create a hidden volume? |
| 06:28.17 | dondelelcaro | maddash: but clearly someone is going to notice when the data that they're able to extract doesn't match the phsyical media |
| 06:28.19 | eeyore- | maddash: with no protection whatsoever to the hidden volume, right? |
| 06:28.21 | Bloodskin | ide. its an old school quantum bigfoot tx XD |
| 06:28.54 | macksss1 | Vasistha, are you there? |
| 06:28.59 | OmnipotentEntity | Bloodskin, and the Windows (XP?) install CD doesn't see it? Yeah, Windows is still fucked up. |
| 06:29.02 | maddash | eeyore-: the CSI can't possilby "beat you over the head because he or she doesn't believe you" because the CSI has to consider ALL possibilities |
| 06:29.06 | Vasistha | macksss1: yeah, but you can just ask your questions to the channel ;) |
| 06:29.13 | ChrisW | wtf? dpkg-configure -> command not found - huh? |
| 06:29.19 | jhujhiti | ChrisW: reconfigure |
| 06:29.27 | Guerin | maddash: ok, now you're just introducing arbitrary bullshit |
| 06:29.28 | OmnipotentEntity | Anyway, does anyone know my VMWare question? |
| 06:29.28 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's not like it's hard to take out the platters and physically examine the drive itself; you can rather easily determine what parts of the drive you're reading when you read from the "known" partitions, and which parts have not been hit. |
| 06:29.32 | eeyore- | maddash: we just told you one way to discover whether a hidden volume exists |
| 06:29.37 | Bloodskin | windows will always be fucked up. thats why im trying to leave it |
| 06:29.46 | hark | or dpkg --configure |
| 06:29.54 | dondelelcaro | maddash: all that would do is make it more difficult to dicern, which makes it useful, but not impenetrable. |
| 06:29.55 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i trust you at this point in time :D can you briefly explain this to me please :-/ http://pastebin.ca/458972 |
| 06:30.02 | eeyore- | maddash: put simply, if a hidden volume DIDN'T exist, then ALL space on the volume must contain valid filesystem layout, right? |
| 06:30.07 | Bloodskin | but without a cd burner or any working media, its proving to be somewhat difficult |
| 06:30.09 | maddash | eeyore-: no. |
| 06:30.18 | Vasistha | macksss1: dunno if your trust is well-placed but I'll do what I can to help you! |
| 06:30.19 | eeyore- | maddash: what? |
| 06:30.21 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i don't know what any of those acronyms mean |
| 06:30.24 | jhujhiti | maddash: not MUST, but should |
| 06:30.28 | Bloodskin | however i have found something rather interresting and seemingly logical |
| 06:30.30 | jhujhiti | maddash: otherwise it's just wasted space |
| 06:30.32 | Bloodskin | for the most part |
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| 06:30.49 | OmnipotentEntity | But Bloodskin, I'm failing to see how wiping your hard drive is going to help matters at all. |
| 06:31.12 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: he just likes doing stupid shit for no reason. |
| 06:31.15 | eeyore- | jhujhiti: well yeah, and "i have this partition of X size but i only created valid filesystem of a tiny portion of it" ... like that wouldn't set off alarm bells :) |
| 06:31.18 | Vasistha | macksss1: hum. I don't know if portmap is needed for ssh :P if it is, you could seriously screw yourself here. What network services is this box using? |
| 06:31.20 | maddash | eeyore-: there's a `dd if=/dev/(u)random of=[vol]` prior to mkfs.* [blah] |
| 06:31.24 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: there appears to be no logic to it |
| 06:31.38 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thats what i was thinking |
| 06:31.51 | eeyore- | maddash: yes OK the user data portion is random but the FILESYSTEM portion must be valid, right? all the inode table, all the direntry stuff, right? |
| 06:32.00 | macksss1 | Vasistha, apache2 mainly, and a few other basic linux apps |
| 06:32.04 | hark | Bloodskin: heh, you're still at it ;) |
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| 06:32.15 | eeyore- | maddash: i'm saying that if a hidden volume DOES exist then not even the filesystem data will be valid |
| 06:32.16 | sinizzl | i wanna build a router using x86 hardware and linux. the problem is, i do not wanna buy a hub, but i want it using 3 eth devices... is that possible? i guess if it is, it means i have to setup iptables twice ? |
| 06:32.19 | Bloodskin | i thought that maybe if i wiped the hdd and repartitioned it back to its original state that may allow windows to recognize it again |
| 06:32.27 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i have 5 IPs does that matter? |
| 06:32.32 | Bloodskin | hark, ive installed it once |
| 06:32.33 | Bloodskin | just |
| 06:32.34 | walrusmi | It is odd, then, is it not that most laptop screens are glossy while most stationary LCDs are matte? |
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| 06:32.37 | Bloodskin | not the distro i needed |
| 06:32.42 | Vasistha | macksss1: I noticed apache2 and mysql; what's relevant is the services that it is offering to non-local clients. I have no idea if this 5 IP thing is related to portmap :P |
| 06:32.42 | walrusmi | Where is the logic there? |
| 06:32.53 | eeyore- | Guerin: am i not explaining this properly or something? :) |
| 06:33.01 | Guerin | eeyore-: no, it makes sense to me. |
| 06:33.20 | eeyore- | Guerin: yeah, just the *inability* to follow the filesystem data is a red-flag that there is a hidden volume ... |
| 06:33.22 | macksss1 | Vasistha, i have a few other ports that are open for users |
| 06:33.24 | maddash | eeyore-: i doubt that would be a problem. read the "volume format spec." |
| 06:33.25 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: the magic you're looking for is briding |
| 06:33.37 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:33.40 | Guerin | though I am a) naturally very sceptical and b) haven't read the truecrypt doc/spec/whatever and so am ignorant of its claims of awesomeness |
| 06:33.43 | arencinosa | hi! can any of you tell me how to formulate an iptables rule that match a given ip (no matter if it is the source or the destination)?? |
| 06:33.45 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: in short, all switches are really just multi-port bridges. so you can bridge all of those interfaces together and you have a switch. |
| 06:33.53 | macksss1 | Vasistha, do i need to enable this or w/e? i can't just leave it on it's own? |
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| 06:34.05 | jhujhiti | arencinosa: as far as i know, you can't. you need two rules. |
| 06:34.12 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: so it *is* possible ? |
| 06:34.24 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: certainly |
| 06:34.27 | walrusmi | I had a nice Sony CRT 19" equipped with a 3M anti-radiation filter. I used it right by several unblinded windows. It was great and I would buy another, but I could hardly lift it. |
| 06:34.28 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: from what I can decipher, it looks like it uses the "free space" of a volume to store files, but only marks those inodes as in use when you've managed to mount the hidden volume |
| 06:34.38 | walrusmi | I need something more portable. |
| 06:34.47 | sinizzl | the thing is i have a neat Gigabit ethernet chip on the board and i also have one on the laptop. so i dont wanna downgrade it using a 100mbit switch and two network cards are cheaper than one switch anyways. |
| 06:34.49 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: brctl addbr myswitch ; brctl addif myswitch eth0 ; brctl addif myswitch eth1 ; brctl addif myswitch eth2 |
| 06:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: of course, it would be pretty obvious to someone looking at the drive when they ran through the unalocated inodes and found data that was random |
| 06:35.00 | sinizzl | well.... i gotta install debian first :D |
| 06:35.05 | arencinosa | jhujhiti: hmm, ok, thanks |
| 06:35.05 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: assuming you have bridge-utils or whatever that package is called |
| 06:35.24 | maddash | dondelelcaro: obvious of what? |
| 06:35.25 | Bloodskin | man, why cant this be as easy as ipod linux? |
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| 06:35.33 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: i have nothing so far |
| 06:35.36 | sinizzl | im gonna buy the hardware now |
| 06:35.37 | dondelelcaro | maddash: the presence of high entropy files in unallocated space |
| 06:35.59 | dondelelcaro | maddash: files which contain real data (well, real uncompressed data) tend not to have a very high level of entropy |
| 06:36.00 | maddash | dondelelcaro: the entire partition was pre-written with entropy. |
| 06:36.00 | himmelstrutzz_ | hi. i've got some problems upgrading mysql. "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld." is all I get. and it doesn't go no further. why why why |
| 06:36.01 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: wait - what? |
| 06:36.12 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: you're building a new machine instead of buying a cheap switch? |
| 06:36.12 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: 2 100mbit network cards for 10 bucks a piece |
| 06:36.16 | walrusmi | By portability I meant being able to move it occassionally. |
| 06:36.21 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: i *have* the machine already |
| 06:36.22 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: oh, just NICs =) |
| 06:36.25 | walrusmi | Being able to lift it. |
| 06:36.26 | sinizzl | i need a file/print/media server |
| 06:36.29 | dondelelcaro | maddash: the only reason you'd ever do that is to hide data in it |
| 06:36.31 | Vasistha | macksss1: well ... I know NFS uses portmap -- and that's explicitly listed. I don't know what NIS uses. But I still have no idea if ssh uses portmap :P |
| 06:36.35 | maddash | dondelelcaro: yes, so wouldn't that imply the lack of any hidden data? |
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| 06:36.40 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: spring for the $15 ones ;P |
| 06:36.43 | walrusmi | My 19" CRT was so heavy. It was amazing. |
| 06:36.48 | sinizzl | and i have a neat machine with 2x160GB SATA disks here which seems very suitable at the moment |
| 06:36.54 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: i pick those realtek ones |
| 06:36.58 | sinizzl | they never crashed on me |
| 06:37.00 | macksss1 | Vasistha, shite |
| 06:37.00 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: no. |
| 06:37.03 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: no, no no. |
| 06:37.03 | sinizzl | wwhy not ? |
| 06:37.10 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: hold for link |
| 06:37.11 | dondelelcaro | maddash: no; if a inode is unalocated, it should generally be zeroed or have the remnants of whatever was there previously |
| 06:37.14 | sinizzl | link ? |
| 06:37.15 | macksss1 | Does anyone know if ssh or sshd uses portmap? |
| 06:37.16 | wols_ | Vasistha: ssh does not use portmap |
| 06:37.19 | sinizzl | is that a brand? |
| 06:37.59 | eeyore- | sinizzl: http://www.logicsupply.com/product_info.php/cPath/54/products_id/425 there are other, 1000mbit ones |
| 06:37.59 | sinizzl | what's so bad about those standard realtek things? |
| 06:38.04 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: it's fallen off the top of google... |
| 06:38.12 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: realtek makes the worst chipsets known to man |
| 06:38.14 | Vasistha | macksss1: here that? sounds like you can go ahead and just bind it locally |
| 06:38.22 | wols_ | sinizzl: unless you have the NICs laying around: buy a switch instead of NICS |
| 06:38.29 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: they have huge buffers that must be filled and aligned perfectly for it to send any data. |
| 06:38.29 | eeyore- | sinizzl: realtek chips are not the nicest, you're better off with intel, broadcomm, etc. |
| 06:38.30 | walrusmi | I'd like a 19" LCD non-widescreen. |
| 06:38.55 | macksss1 | thanks |
| 06:38.55 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thanks |
| 06:38.55 | walrusmi | Same resolution as they have on the 17" models. |
| 06:38.55 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it does make it more difficult to determine, because you'd have to know to look for it, but like all steganographic techniques, once you know what to look for you can determine the presence of a specific class. |
| 06:38.56 | walrusmi | For comfort in working with text. |
| 06:38.56 | eeyore- | sinizzl: but really, you don't need gigabit ethernet for world-facing port :-) |
| 06:39.13 | Vasistha | walrusmi: do you have a debian question? |
| 06:39.19 | walrusmi | My primary requirement is text clarity and easiness on the eyes. |
| 06:39.33 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right. That's the thing I was getting at earlier; that all a law-enforcement investigator (fx) would need to detain is the *potential* for further hidden data. |
| 06:39.52 | jhujhiti | sinizzl: found it! http://www.fefe.de/linuxeth/realtek.txt |
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| 06:39.55 | sinizzl | eeyore-: i need gigabit for the connection between my 2x160GB fileserver and my macbook |
| 06:39.58 | Guerin | walrusmi: does antialiasing aid that, or not (for you) |
| 06:40.01 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, in the US it wouldn't be enough; the most they could do is just lock you for contempt |
| 06:40.05 | eeyore- | walrusmi: Dell 30" 3007WFP |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | i ask becausew I prefer an anti-aliased display, but some don't |
| 06:40.26 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: more or less permanently, however. |
| 06:40.32 | resudaed | ok, how do I tell wpa_supplicant to guess it's settings then prompt me for a username and passwd? |
| 06:40.33 | macksss1 | Vasistha, sorry about all the questions... http://pastebin.ca/458983 can you explain that a bit more? if i enable it will it block me out? |
| 06:40.34 | eeyore- | sinizzl: so why not get a motherboard with dual gigabits and buy an eepro100-based PCI card for internet port? |
| 06:40.40 | maddash | fortunately, there's no such law here in the US that requires a suspect to give up his/her encryption keys |
| 06:40.42 | resudaed | (obviously other then its ssid) |
| 06:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, until the statute of limitations ran out |
| 06:40.50 | jhujhiti | dondelelcaro: never underestimate how many laws the Law will break during an investigation. |
| 06:40.58 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: true. |
| 06:41.03 | jhujhiti | dondelelcaro: the justice department is filled with scum |
| 06:41.07 | muhoo | well that was a pleasant surprise! |
| 06:41.08 | Guerin | maddash: yes, the 5th could be of use here. |
| 06:41.14 | maddash | jhujhiti: and you know this how? |
| 06:41.15 | sinizzl | eeyore-: cause that'd be way more expensive |
| 06:41.23 | muhoo | i just hit the suspend to ram button on my laptop by accident, and it actually worked! |
| 06:41.28 | Guerin | jhujhiti: but you can't predict that. |
| 06:41.31 | sinizzl | i got all the hardware already... except that it has only one ethernet port so far |
| 06:41.32 | dondelelcaro | jhujhiti: this has nothing to do with them; we're not talking about federal courts |
| 06:41.34 | muhoo | amazing |
| 06:41.45 | Bloodskin | man |
| 06:41.50 | Bloodskin | god damn nvidia |
| 06:41.52 | Vasistha | macksss1: yeah, I have no idea ... I mean, the truth is, I've never run sshd so this is outta my league. Better ask the channel!! |
| 06:41.55 | jhujhiti | dondelelcaro: with this administration, it's always about the federal government. |
| 06:42.01 | dondelelcaro | jhujhiti: and moreover, the people who would be ruling on such a matter are justices, who (for the most part) have nothing to do with the justice department |
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| 06:42.11 | Guerin | jhujhiti: ok, now you're introducing red herrings made of straw. |
| 06:42.16 | jhujhiti | haha =P |
| 06:42.23 | Bloodskin | no, god damn me for being a cheap bastard and not buying a dvd burner |
| 06:42.28 | macksss1 | can someone please explain to me this? http://pastebin.ca/458983 |
| 06:42.30 | wols_ | DocPlatypus: who appoints federal judges again? |
| 06:42.34 | macksss1 | thank you in advance!! |
| 06:42.41 | wols_ | how long is the maimum incarceration for contempt of court? |
| 06:42.48 | muhoo | wols_: there is no maximum |
| 06:42.51 | Guerin | wols_: congress |
| 06:42.52 | maddash | Guerin: , eeyore-: the documentation is rather sparse |
| 06:42.57 | wols_ | muhoo: exactly |
| 06:43.06 | DocPlatypus | why am I getting these questions? |
| 06:43.08 | Guerin | wols_: contempt of court (and obstruction) renew themselves. |
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| 06:43.15 | dondelelcaro | wols_: depends on who it's in contempt of |
| 06:43.15 | sinizzl | jhujhiti: this looks like really bad propaganda against realtek... you workin for 3com or what ? :D |
| 06:43.16 | maddash | haha, "SHA-1" |
| 06:43.17 | jhujhiti | Guerin: congress only approves them, and they are typically presented a huge list that they just agree on with no discussion. |
| 06:43.43 | Vasistha | wols_: I'd be more concerned about being accused of terrorism and being taken under a military tribunal and tortured |
| 06:43.44 | sinizzl | naaa.... it's not the first time for me to hear bad things about realtek.... so i guess im gonnna have to reconsider that and maybe buy the 15 bucks networking card |
| 06:43.44 | jhujhiti | Guerin: plus, until january, we had a one-party government here |
| 06:43.45 | Guerin | jhujhiti: yes, but in principle they CAN refuse to confirm, and doing so would prevent their appointment. |
| 06:43.53 | wols_ | and if all else fails, they will trump up a terrorism charge and then all bets are off |
| 06:44.04 | Guerin | jhujhiti: not quite true. No more so than any other FPP country. |
| 06:44.10 | wols_ | Vasistha: you typed faster :) |
| 06:44.11 | dondelelcaro | in any event folks, #politics is that way --> |
| 06:44.34 | eeyore- | yeah, this is strictly technical about how the encryption software works or doesn't work |
| 06:44.45 | walrusmi | Maybe glossy = more clarity of text? |
| 06:44.47 | dondelelcaro | discussing stenography and how it relates to Debian is at least marginally on topic, but the state of the US government isn't |
| 06:44.50 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: you mean #jew-hater-and-insane-zionist-blood-war |
| 06:44.52 | walrusmi | But also harder on the eyes? |
| 06:45.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, that'd be politicial in itself. ;-) |
| 06:45.04 | Vasistha | to rephrase for macksss1 : upgrading sarge->etch over ssh. "Password authentication appears to be disabled in your current OpenSSH server ... Disable challenge-response authentication? " http://pastebin.ca/458983 |
| 06:45.12 | wols_ | the upside of hiding the encrpted volume is: you might meet only normal lawenforcement. and they just might be too dumb to see the hidden volume |
| 06:45.16 | eeyore- | walrusmi: "glossy" just gives you blacker black |
| 06:45.20 | DocPlatypus | did I just happen to be the wrong place when joining? |
| 06:45.30 | walrusmi | Anyone know of the NEC 90GX2? |
| 06:45.30 | eeyore- | walrusmi: and possibly dimmer whites |
| 06:45.36 | DocPlatypus | or is this a resumption of some age old conversation last time I was in here that I completely forgot about? |
| 06:45.37 | wols_ | if you anger them enough, there might be someone with a clue and then you're in trouble |
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| 06:45.41 | dondelelcaro | eeyore-: more reflective blacks, actually... |
| 06:45.46 | wols_ | ie. all you have is security by obscurity |
| 06:45.48 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: that :) |
| 06:45.52 | Guerin | wols_: it's like putting your sshd on port 2222 so people don't try to worm you ;) |
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| 06:45.59 | DocPlatypus | dondelelcaro: steganography, not stenography. |
| 06:46.02 | DocPlatypus | big difference. |
| 06:46.05 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 06:46.05 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is completely incapable of spelling. However, his grammar be impeccable. |
| 06:46.12 | eeyore- | dondelelcaro: ever seen the palmpilot app called "mirror"? :) turns your palmpilot (gray ones) to mirror :) hilarios |
| 06:46.30 | maddash | eeyore-: doesn't it just power off the screen? |
| 06:46.30 | DocPlatypus | I suffer from CTWS/CSWS too, but at least I try to spell the right word :-) |
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| 06:46.56 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what does dpkg say about people like me who are incapable of spelling properly too but also have atrocious grammar? |
| 06:46.57 | eeyore- | maddash: nah, it turns all the pixels black, which actually makes for a nice mirror finish |
| 06:47.02 | Bloodskin | if i have grub installed, can i just place an iso on my hdd and edit the "config" file for grub to boot that image? thats how i use bootloader2 on my ipod |
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| 06:47.11 | Guerin | wols_: yours is WAY above the average. |
| 06:47.12 | Bloodskin | i say config because idk the name of the file |
| 06:47.15 | sinizzl | thanks for the information you guys |
| 06:47.21 | sinizzl | im gonna go buy some hardware now |
| 06:47.24 | sinizzl | cya round |
| 06:47.27 | Guerin | even for hashdweebian, which is about the 99th percentile of the interwebs |
| 06:47.32 | Bloodskin | or am i headed in the right direction? |
| 06:47.43 | walrusmi | Whenever I read LCD reviews |
| 06:47.45 | Bloodskin | the sooner i solve this the sooner i can quit annoying yall |
| 06:47.46 | Guerin | Bloodskin: FOAD |
| 06:47.46 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: yeah, I know the difference, I just don't spell particularly well. Indeed, I spell at about a 0.8 Manoj level. |
| 06:47.46 | macksss1 | Vasistha, have we stumped everyone :-/ |
| 06:47.52 | walrusmi | I always come across bad things about most any given monitor. |
| 06:47.54 | Guerin | Bloodskin: go and burn a fucking cd at kinkos |
| 06:47.55 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: why don't you try it? |
| 06:47.56 | wols_ | Bloodskin: It's not possible afaik. the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst btw |
| 06:48.01 | dondelelcaro | DocPlatypus: in fact, before you joined, I actually spelled it correctly. |
| 06:48.07 | walrusmi | Unless I look at the high-end professional models at $800+. |
| 06:48.08 | eeyore- | walrusmi: you might want the high contrast one if you watched videos often, but i would avoid them for day to day work |
| 06:48.09 | Vasistha | macksss1: naw, the channel's so busy noone's answered yet |
| 06:48.12 | eeyore- | walrusmi: too much glre |
| 06:48.15 | maddash | Guerin: kinkos has cd-burning facilities? |
| 06:48.16 | eeyore- | walrusmi: glare |
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| 06:48.27 | Bloodskin | man |
| 06:48.28 | Guerin | maddash: how the hell should I know, we don't have them in my land ;) |
| 06:48.29 | walrusmi | eeyore-, You have experience? |
| 06:48.44 | Bloodskin | if i wanted to burn a cd id go to my neighbors and get his burner. |
| 06:48.45 | macksss1 | Vasistha, should i just leave it disabled and figure it out later? |
| 06:48.47 | eeyore- | walrusmi: sure, go look at any high contrast laptop screens. sony xbrite for example |
| 06:48.48 | DocPlatypus | maddash: I am guessing in a pinch one can always sneak in one's own USB CD/DVD burner |
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| 06:49.03 | Bloodskin | im not doing it to have the os installed |
| 06:49.07 | Bloodskin | i already have it installed |
| 06:49.14 | Guerin | Bloodskin: so fucking do it. Or stop asking your retarded broken windowsquestions caused by your reliance on a non-standard installer. |
| 06:49.15 | Bloodskin | im doing it to see what all is possible |
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| 06:49.17 | Bloodskin | to explore |
| 06:49.20 | Vasistha | macksss1: well, how do people currently log in? |
| 06:49.45 | macksss1 | Vasistha, ssh user@ip |
| 06:49.48 | Bloodskin | dude |
| 06:49.50 | wols_ | Bloodskin: if you want to explore y DO it. you don#t ask others |
| 06:49.51 | eeyore- | walrusmi: go with dell, 20" --- the whites are white, not pasty cream |
| 06:50.00 | macksss1 | Vasistha, or by SFTP user@ip |
| 06:50.11 | Guerin | macksss1: by what mechanism do they authenticate? |
| 06:50.14 | Vasistha | macksss1: do they have to use a password? I mean, that's what the thing's asking, right? |
| 06:50.33 | macksss1 | it prompts them for their user's password |
| 06:50.37 | maddash | eeyore-: anyway, truecrypt uses a loopback device on the Linux side of things, so that could decrease its performance. and it doesn't support beyond FAT/16/32 and NTFS. blech. |
| 06:50.49 | Bloodskin | one final question for a little while |
| 06:50.51 | eeyore- | maddash: device mapper, actually |
| 06:51.02 | Bloodskin | who wants subway? (jared is getting fat) |
| 06:51.03 | eeyore- | maddash: which is the same thing LUKS uses |
| 06:51.08 | macksss1 | Guerin, ssh? |
| 06:51.15 | macksss1 | Vasistha, it prompts them for their user's password |
| 06:51.15 | eeyore- | maddash: /dev/mapper/truecrypt* |
| 06:51.20 | Guerin | macksss1: no. the answer would be `password' |
| 06:51.25 | walrusmi | eeyore-, I want a 19" so that text is bigger. |
| 06:51.39 | macksss1 | Guerin, sorry. password then |
| 06:51.52 | eeyore- | walrusmi: text size has no relation to monitor size |
| 06:51.55 | Bloodskin | i know ssh is a form of telnet, and i THINK its supposed to be safer. what all was i incorrect on? |
| 06:52.08 | eeyore- | walrusmi: you can always set your X dpi so it uses more dots to draw a specific point size ... |
| 06:52.24 | Bloodskin | safer as in data sent is better protected |
| 06:52.30 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: correct. |
| 06:52.39 | macksss1 | Guerin, with that being said what should i do :-/ |
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| 06:52.40 | Guerin | Bloodskin: in the loosest possible sense. |
| 06:52.42 | eeyore- | walrusmi: i.e., 1pica = 12points, there are 6 picas to an inch, or 72 points per inch |
| 06:52.51 | Guerin | macksss1: enable password auth |
| 06:53.00 | maddash | eeyore-: devicemapper is the same as loopback? |
| 06:53.26 | maddash | eeyore-: i'm using luks right now, and lsmod|grep loop gives nothing |
| 06:53.26 | eeyore- | walrusmi: if you set your DPI to 72 (or 75) then a 72-point type would be roughly one inch tall from ascender to descender |
| 06:53.27 | macksss1 | Guerin, if it's disabled currently how was i already able to login using ssh? |
| 06:53.27 | Guerin | eeyore-: the newspaper layout people want their obsolete measurement system back |
| 06:53.40 | Guerin | macksss1: this is a question I cannot answer. |
| 06:54.03 | eeyore- | walrusmi: if you set your DPI to 100, then of course X would use more pixels to draw the very same 72-point type you specify, making it appear larger on the same screen |
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| 06:54.23 | walrusmi | eeyore-, You have had no problems with that? |
| 06:54.29 | eeyore- | walrusmi: no |
| 06:54.31 | walrusmi | I have never found that to be a very elegant solution. |
| 06:54.58 | macksss1 | Guerin, "Disable challenge-response authentication? " I should say no? |
| 06:55.04 | eeyore- | walrusmi: better reason to want larger display is so you could display more data |
| 06:55.09 | Guerin | walrusmi: no, it's perfectly standard to be able to change dpi settings. Bear in mind, however, that dot *pitch* is relevant - the physical size of a pixel on a CRT can change, but on an LCD it cannot. |
| 06:55.20 | Guerin | macksss1: consult the documentation. |
| 06:55.33 | Bloodskin | who created, or titled debian? |
| 06:55.34 | macksss1 | Guerin, what documentation? :-/ |
| 06:55.41 | Guerin | Bloodskin: see debian.org |
| 06:55.47 | macksss1 | Guerin, i am in the installer for dist-upgrade |
| 06:55.48 | Guerin | macksss1: man ssh* |
| 06:56.03 | Guerin | macksss1: is the box local, or remote? |
| 06:56.04 | walrusmi | Guerin, LCDs have dot pitch too, according to my reading. |
| 06:56.09 | macksss1 | Guerin, remote |
| 06:56.27 | Guerin | walrusmi: they do, but it is *fixed*, meaning it cannot be changed. |
| 06:56.31 | ChrisW | hi all, rebooted into a 2.6 kernel, now the partition on my disk can't be found |
| 06:56.35 | eeyore- | walrusmi: stop reading and go out and *see* the actual displays :) |
| 06:56.45 | ChrisW | how do I find what defvice my hd is now? |
| 06:56.47 | walrusmi | eeyore-, Where? |
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| 06:57.02 | eeyore- | walrusmi: CompUSA, Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's, etc. |
| 06:57.14 | walrusmi | eeyore-, Can't determine much in a big box outlet can you? |
| 06:57.34 | eeyore- | walrusmi: what do you mean? you look, if it sucks, look at another brand ... |
| 06:57.35 | walrusmi | eeyore-, I'd need to have them at home to properly assess them for my purposes. |
| 06:58.01 | Guerin | well, perhaps thewy'll let you take one on appro |
| 06:58.12 | Vasistha | ChrisW: dmesg should have something about it, try dmesg | grep '[hs]d[a-g]' |
| 06:58.15 | macksss1 | Guerin, huh? |
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| 06:58.19 | eeyore- | too bad REI doesnt sell electronics :) |
| 06:58.21 | pstickne | I like my LCD which is ~110 DPI. I would recommend against a sub SXGA+ unless it's for an itty-screen. |
| 06:58.26 | walrusmi | eeyore-, What about higher end stuff? They don't sell higher end stuff at such stores. |
| 06:58.34 | eeyore- | walrusmi: Fry's does |
| 06:58.38 | pstickne | eeyore-, why? they'd be 2x the normal retail price ;) |
| 06:58.44 | eeyore- | pstickne: true |
| 06:58.51 | Bloodskin | Ian Murdock |
| 06:58.51 | dutchfish | hi, how can i blacklist a kernel module from load (on boot)? |
| 06:58.52 | Bloodskin | hmmm |
| 06:59.00 | Guerin | dutchfish: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 06:59.02 | Bloodskin | name sounds familiar |
| 06:59.13 | Bloodskin | i know ive read it somewhere |
| 06:59.17 | eeyore- | pstickne: not all things are 2x normal price. i'm thinking of buying a kayak now that they gave me 15% off coupons :) |
| 06:59.19 | maddash | damn, luks insists using SHA-1 |
| 06:59.20 | walrusmi | eeyore-, No Frys here. |
| 06:59.22 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: why don't you consult wikipedia |
| 06:59.24 | Guerin | Bloodskin: bullshit, it's well documented that you can't read |
| 06:59.33 | Vasistha | haha |
| 06:59.34 | Bloodskin | oh yea |
| 06:59.37 | Bloodskin | i forgot |
| 06:59.39 | Bloodskin | wait |
| 06:59.42 | Guerin | Bloodskin: you said yourself that you didn;'t want a `conformed education' |
| 06:59.42 | Bloodskin | what? |
| 06:59.49 | nvz | Guerin: heh |
| 06:59.50 | pstickne | eeyore-, they don't exactly sell Kayaks at Big5 :p |
| 06:59.56 | Bloodskin | man |
| 07:00.00 | Bloodskin | i was trying to be a dick |
| 07:00.07 | Bloodskin | im high now, relaxed. |
| 07:00.13 | nvz | Guerin: i got up out of bed to laugh at that one |
| 07:00.13 | Bloodskin | just readin shit |
| 07:00.16 | macksss1 | Vasistha, :( |
| 07:00.18 | Guerin | and you're STILL a dick |
| 07:00.20 | maddash | eeyore-: just out of curiosity, what are you using to encrypt your data right now? |
| 07:00.25 | Vasistha | macksss1: eh? what's up? |
| 07:00.26 | Bloodskin | im also failing to use sentences again |
| 07:00.29 | dutchfish | Guerin, i got his error on non laptop system: Detecting hardware...FATAL: Error inserting i8xx_tco (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/char/watchdog/i8xx_tco.ko): No such device |
| 07:00.31 | walrusmi | The glossy NEC has rave reviews and is quite cheap at $250. |
| 07:00.41 | eeyore- | maddash: some is cryptsetup-luks, some is truecrypt |
| 07:00.45 | Guerin | dutchfish: ignore it |
| 07:00.51 | macksss1 | Vasistha, still stuck...seems the channel is in a flame war or something :-/ |
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| 07:01.03 | dutchfish | Guerin, shouldnt i blacklist this? |
| 07:01.12 | Guerin | macksss1: my only advice to you it to hit enter and continue with the install. |
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| 07:01.41 | walrusmi | Sometimes you can't compare one set of reviewers to another set, however. Everyone has different degrees of fussiness. |
| 07:01.45 | Guerin | macksss1: don't reboot or log out of your root shell until you have verified you can log in again and that the sshd will start on boot |
| 07:01.53 | walrusmi | And usages. |
| 07:01.55 | maddash | eeyore-: do you have to `losetup` before using the truecrypt volume? |
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| 07:02.10 | eeyore- | maddash: no |
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| 07:02.17 | dutchfish | Guerin, and this: dumpkeycodes: No such device |
| 07:02.18 | macksss1 | Guerin, hitting enter isn't an option..it wants yes or no |
| 07:02.38 | Guerin | dutchfish: does your computer work normally, apart from those error messages? |
| 07:02.48 | walrusmi | I wrote a book on my 13.3" and it really strained my eyes. Most people, instead, are using their monitors for play: games, DVD, a bit of vanity surfing. |
| 07:02.50 | dutchfish | Guerin, yes but is more then slow |
| 07:02.50 | Guerin | macksss1: there's a default response. Choose it. |
| 07:02.51 | Bloodskin | there are windows enviornments for debian right? like emulators or whatever? what if you had mirc running with a script that reported the o/s? would it report your version of debian, or would it say 123wtfpwnzord? |
| 07:03.10 | Guerin | dutchfish: well, if you care, you could blacklist them. But you probably don't need to bother. |
| 07:03.34 | Guerin | Bloodskin: yep. In fact, we all run mirc in wine. Debian hasn't got any other good irc clients. |
| 07:03.36 | dutchfish | Guerin, and this one (i have 10 times with dif codes) failed to set scancode 8a to keycode 205 |
| 07:03.43 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: sure, there's qemu, there's wine. I don't know what mirc does about reporting o/s stuff. You would have to ask the wine people, or the qemu people, or whatever |
| 07:03.46 | Bloodskin | what about xchat |
| 07:03.48 | Bloodskin | or bitchx |
| 07:03.50 | Guerin | Bloodskin: we also mostly run outlook express, too. |
| 07:03.50 | walrusmi | DVD is a guilty pleasure I sometimes do as well, but the only thing I care about having utmost quality and comfort is where my work is concerned. |
| 07:03.53 | Bloodskin | i like em |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | nah, they're shit |
| 07:03.57 | Guerin | mirc 4 life! |
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| 07:04.07 | Bloodskin | eh |
| 07:04.14 | macksss1 | Guerin, thanks i think :-/ |
| 07:04.21 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 07:04.21 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 07:04.25 | Guerin | macksss1: ↑ |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin | that is the immutable law of computing |
| 07:05.01 | Bloodskin | i still want to know how to install debian on my toaster though |
| 07:05.21 | Guerin | Bloodskin: we told you., Fork, steel pan of saline. |
| 07:05.29 | Bloodskin | ... |
| 07:05.37 | Bloodskin | you said vinigar |
| 07:05.47 | Guerin | nope, but that would work too |
| 07:05.50 | Vasistha | Bloodskin: http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/sticker-debian-linux.shtml |
| 07:05.59 | Guerin | and kill your nasty toejams while you're at it |
| 07:06.07 | Bloodskin | lmao |
| 07:06.13 | Bloodskin | ima do it too |
| 07:06.15 | Bloodskin | brb |
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| 07:06.29 | Bloodskin | those are cool lokin |
| 07:06.36 | Vasistha | if you hit enter a couple more times you could probably get kicked for flood |
| 07:06.54 | Guerin | Vasistha: i just hit enter about 10 times and didn't get kicked once! |
| 07:07.22 | Bloodskin | man, i dont want to hit it. that might break the keyboard |
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| 07:07.48 | macksss1 | Guerin, Permission denied (publickey). |
| 07:07.58 | macksss1 | Guerin, that happens when I try to ssh |
| 07:08.03 | Guerin | macksss1: ok, you'd better change that shit then. |
| 07:08.11 | macksss1 | Guerin, how :-/ |
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| 07:08.21 | Guerin | macksss1: man sshd_config |
| 07:08.56 | Bloodskin | the gui desktop is what, 4 gigs? |
| 07:08.59 | Vasistha | trousers ε pants |
| 07:09.08 | macksss1 | Guerin, my internet sucks here i am surprised i haven't been disconnected already...can you spare me the learning experience at this time and help me fast please? |
| 07:09.13 | Guerin | Bloodskin: anything between 500MB and 10G |
| 07:09.22 | Bloodskin | hmm |
| 07:09.31 | Guerin | macksss1: no, because I don't know what the exact config string is |
| 07:09.38 | macksss1 | ASDFlh/kjadsfads' |
| 07:09.49 | Vasistha | macksss1: uhhh |
| 07:09.51 | macksss1 | can someone please help me |
| 07:09.53 | macksss1 | :( |
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| 07:11.38 | maddash | did he mispell his own nick? |
| 07:12.05 | macksss1 | Guerin, # Change to yes to enable tunnelled clear text passwords |
| 07:12.05 | macksss1 | PasswordAuthentication no |
| 07:12.09 | macksss1 | is that it? |
| 07:12.17 | Guerin | macksss1: no, i have that set to no also |
| 07:12.28 | Guerin | macksss1: i can post my sshd_config if you like |
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| 07:12.32 | Guerin | it's mostly stock |
| 07:12.35 | macksss1 | Guerin, yes please |
| 07:13.55 | Guerin | http://pastie.caboo.se/56667 |
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| 07:14.25 | stoned | Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me As plurdled gabbleblotchits On a lurgid bee. |
| 07:14.38 | macksss1 | Guerin, here is mine http://pastebin.ca/459022 |
| 07:14.40 | maddash | stoned: are you high? |
| 07:14.48 | Guerin | impossible! |
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| 07:15.43 | maddash | Guerin: he is, after all, stoned. |
| 07:15.43 | GuHHH | hi |
| 07:15.44 | stoned | Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes And hooptiously drangle me With crinkly bindlewurdles, Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, See if I don't! |
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| 07:16.00 | stoned | It is 3am and I am unable to sleep. |
| 07:16.05 | maddash | stoned: stop plagarizing vogon poetry |
| 07:16.27 | stoned | plagarizing? isn't it quite obvious what it is? |
| 07:16.32 | walrusmi | You think the positive reviews for the glossy NEC's are by people who don't know any better? |
| 07:16.41 | stoned | do you even know what plagarize means? |
| 07:16.42 | walrusmi | They just love the brightness? |
| 07:17.03 | stoned | glossy is not good |
| 07:17.14 | stoned | it produces much too much glare from light sources |
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| 07:17.28 | stoned | reflections of thyself in they screen |
| 07:17.53 | disposable | how do i find which package contains tk8.4.so? (it is not installed, so dpkg -S doesn't help) |
| 07:18.06 | hark | use apt-file for that |
| 07:18.10 | stoned | maybe tk8.4? |
| 07:18.14 | stoned | !info tk8.4 |
| 07:18.27 | dpkg | tk8.4: (Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.4 - run-time files), section libs, is optional. Version: 8.4.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 939 kB, Installed size: 2568 kB |
| 07:18.27 | stoned | read the description here... |
| 07:18.42 | stoned | lookit it up on packages.debian.org or just install it and do dpkg -L tk8.4 |
| 07:19.08 | macksss1 | Guerin, i think i found it... line 50 on yours is yes and mine was no...i've changed it...how do i restart sshd to load the new setting? |
| 07:19.27 | zapalotta | what's the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686? |
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| 07:19.37 | hark | macksss1: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 07:19.45 | disposable | hark: how do you use that? 'apt-file search libtk8.4.so' returns nothing :( |
| 07:19.56 | stoned | im gonna go read about xen |
| 07:19.57 | hark | disposable: you do an update first |
| 07:19.58 | macksss1 | hark, thanks |
| 07:20.04 | stoned | every other day someone goes xen this xen that |
| 07:20.05 | jrsims | QUESTION - is it better to use CPAN to get perl modules or debian packages? Let's use LWP as an example. |
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| 07:20.08 | stoned | what the fuck is xen |
| 07:20.14 | stoned | goddamit.. its pissing me off now |
| 07:20.23 | macksss1 | PHEW!!! thank goodness that fixed it |
| 07:20.29 | maddash | stoned: it's a hypervisor. google it. |
| 07:20.39 | Vasistha | stoned: I think it's a virtualization tool, allows several kernels to run on one processor, or something |
| 07:20.41 | macksss1 | thank you Guerin, hark, and Vasistha |
| 07:20.57 | macksss1 | time for me to go to sleep and hopefully pass my exam tomorrow morning...goodnight |
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| 07:21.14 | stoned | maddash: don't plagarize from thundercats please |
| 07:21.31 | maddash | stoned: "thundercats"? |
| 07:21.34 | disposable | hark: still nothing |
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| 07:21.49 | Vasistha | macksss1: erm, you finished your dist-upgrade, right? |
| 07:21.51 | hark | *plagiarize :) |
| 07:21.52 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 07:22.01 | macksss1 | Vasistha, yes it finished |
| 07:22.05 | hark | disposable: it takes time.. apt-file update? |
| 07:22.09 | stoned | don't plague-arize |
| 07:22.09 | Ahmadinejad | I changed the windows sizes in a program |
| 07:22.12 | Vasistha | macksss1: great, congrats, and good luck |
| 07:22.16 | Ahmadinejad | Now i want the default sizes |
| 07:22.21 | macksss1 | Vasistha, thanks |
| 07:22.26 | Ahmadinejad | i did: apt-get install *program name* |
| 07:22.28 | macksss1 | goodnight and thanks again :D |
| 07:22.29 | Ahmadinejad | No |
| 07:22.34 | Vasistha | Ahmadinejad: if you speak in complete sentences, it will be easier for us to help you. |
| 07:22.38 | stoned | ahhh xen is kinda nice sounding |
| 07:22.44 | jrsims | <-- needs help. Should he use apt to install perl modules or CPAN? |
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| 07:22.57 | disposable | hark: aaah, i didn't know it had its own cache. it works now, thank you |
| 07:23.03 | Vasistha | stoned: pretty neat, huh? a number of web hosts are using it now to offer virtual dedicated servers |
| 07:23.05 | hark | use apt |
| 07:23.08 | Ahmadinejad | I mean: apt-get remove *program name*, then apt-get install *program name*... but its still the manual size, and not the default size.. |
| 07:23.12 | stoned | unless you can run ntoskrnl and a xen 2.6.18 kernel together.. don't talk to me about xen' |
| 07:23.21 | hark | disposable: yeah, in /var/cache/apt/apt-file/ |
| 07:23.32 | Vasistha | Ahmadinejad: yeah, that's because those prefs are probably stored in your user's home directory |
| 07:23.36 | Supaplex | stoned: you can blame msft+novell when it happens. |
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| 07:23.43 | stoned | whats to blame |
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| 07:23.52 | ChrisW | !etch |
| 07:23.53 | stoned | whats the point of having something half assed |
| 07:23.53 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 07:23.54 | Ahmadinejad | where do i delete them? |
| 07:23.56 | hark | you can run windows with xen |
| 07:24.00 | Supaplex | stoned: afaik, there's a prelim win2k3 server running in pv xen |
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| 07:24.08 | stoned | sure if you want to run 10 *nix kernels on one machine then go for it |
| 07:24.14 | hark | intel procs only, IIRC |
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| 07:24.28 | Vasistha | Ahmadinejad: well, that depends what program it is, but why don't you go to your home directory, do an ls -A, and see if you can figure it out. |
| 07:24.32 | stoned | point is, you should be able to run osx, nt, nix on one machine together |
| 07:24.38 | stoned | THEN it is a good virtualization project |
| 07:24.40 | Supaplex | nawe, that's what user space linux is for :) |
| 07:24.45 | stoned | otherwise its a waste of time |
| 07:25.01 | Supaplex | nice pun |
| 07:25.05 | Ahmadinejad | (I am new to Debian/Linux) |
| 07:25.07 | Vasistha | stoned: like I said -- it's already enormously useful for web hosts. Now they can have one machine that acts like 10 dedicated servers |
| 07:25.15 | Ahmadinejad | its pgadmin3 |
| 07:25.23 | stoned | Vasistha: I understand.. im just making fun |
| 07:25.31 | stoned | Vasistha: and still im a bit serious |
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| 07:25.49 | maddash | stoned: xen can run ntoskrnl, if the hardware requirements are met |
| 07:25.55 | Vasistha | stoned: heh, maybe they're working on it |
| 07:26.19 | Supaplex | hey stoned. here's a thought for you and xen. |
| 07:26.21 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 07:26.21 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? |
| 07:26.33 | stoned | so...? |
| 07:26.37 | tarzeau | how can i unpack a .udeb ? |
| 07:26.39 | stoned | you say it like sucking is a bad thing |
| 07:27.14 | Supaplex | ahh. well I'm sure i misinterpred you. |
| 07:27.21 | hark | ok, you can use both intel and amd64 now :) |
| 07:27.27 | stoned | here on the one hand men are dying to find a girl that sucks... and on the other hand they think 'sucks' is an insult |
| 07:27.31 | stoned | such stupidity |
| 07:28.02 | hark | stoned: sucks doesn't it ;) |
| 07:28.02 | stoned | haha |
| 07:28.02 | Vasistha | hehhehheh |
| 07:28.03 | PingFloyd | sucks to be you |
| 07:28.21 | PingFloyd | or them |
| 07:28.44 | Vasistha | sucks to be single for five fucking years... or, not fucking, as the case may be. I think I'd better go to bed. |
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| 07:29.01 | stoned | i would.. but im not sleepy and its 3:30am |
| 07:29.11 | piero | Hi! |
| 07:29.11 | tarzeau | does udpkg binary exist, where? |
| 07:29.24 | Supaplex | tarzeau: ask #debian-boot. |
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| 07:29.26 | Supaplex | !udeb |
| 07:29.27 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
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| 07:30.03 | Vasistha | tarzeau: this may be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udeb |
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| 07:31.18 | GhostlyDeath | What library is strupr in for GCC? |
| 07:31.44 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: use apropos strupr |
| 07:31.46 | hark | can't you use ar for that? |
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| 07:32.06 | Supaplex | xmms2 rocks. (pun intended). I opened about 200 1m png files in the gimp (thank you swapd+and!) and xmms2 didn't miss a beat (literally) |
| 07:32.11 | piero | I have a problem with system clock. When I reboot pc, clock is fast of two hours! |
| 07:32.14 | muhoo | what's the best way to deal with embedded spaces in paths in sysadmin scripts? |
| 07:32.18 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: part of C runtime |
| 07:32.24 | stoned | !tell piero -about ntp |
| 07:32.25 | wols_ | !tell GhostlyDeath about b-e |
| 07:32.29 | piero | bios clock is set correctly and I set it with tzconfig also :S |
| 07:32.38 | Vasistha | muhoo: use quotes |
| 07:32.40 | muhoo | i.e. i need to find a bunch of files, many of which have embedded space, and do operations on them |
| 07:32.45 | stoned | piero: dual boot? |
| 07:32.47 | wols_ | piero: wroon BIOS clock settings? |
| 07:32.54 | Vasistha | muhoo: find ... -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 07:33.04 | muhoo | Vasistha: doesn't seem to work, at least not double quotes |
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| 07:33.08 | piero | stoned: no. One boot only |
| 07:33.10 | Vasistha | muhoo: or, find ... | while read file; do something with $file; done |
| 07:33.16 | piero | wols_: bios clock is set correctly |
| 07:33.26 | wols_ | piero: wrong timezone then? |
| 07:33.31 | stoned | piero: just use aptitude install ntpdate && ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 07:33.32 | muhoo | Vasistha: problem is, if you do that, each "while" is a separate *word*, not a separate file |
| 07:33.38 | stoned | wols_: read! |
| 07:33.49 | wols_ | stoned: read what? |
| 07:33.50 | muhoo | Vasistha: so, each $file ends up being a space-separated token, not a filename |
| 07:33.56 | piero | no wols_ . I have set it correctly. stoned it works but if I reboot, clock is wrong |
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| 07:33.58 | stoned | piero> bios clock is set correctly and I set it with tzconfig also :S |
| 07:34.01 | Vasistha | muhoo: uh, no. 'while read' should read one line at a time. have your tried it? |
| 07:34.04 | Supaplex | muhoo: use "$quoting" |
| 07:34.13 | hark | piero: UTC |
| 07:34.17 | piero | stoned: I am italian. I don't speak english very well :) |
| 07:34.29 | Supaplex | !it |
| 07:34.29 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 07:34.30 | muhoo | Vasistha: oh, i see. ok clever, |
| 07:34.33 | stoned | piero: its your not problem wols_ doesn't pay attention |
| 07:34.49 | Vasistha | muhoo: but make sure and use "$file" rather than $file |
| 07:34.51 | scx | what's the most common mail service in Germany? |
| 07:35.00 | scx | mail.de? |
| 07:35.01 | wols_ | stoned: if BIS is right and the clock is always wrong on bootup, it's most probably wrong UTC settings |
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| 07:35.12 | stoned | wols_: obviously |
| 07:35.13 | wols_ | ie. he uses "BIOS uses UTC" wrongly |
| 07:35.16 | hark | +0200 probably |
| 07:35.30 | Ahmadinejad | what was the solution? |
| 07:35.30 | wols_ | hark: yes. since he's in italy |
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| 07:35.36 | YogSothoth | Hi! |
| 07:35.48 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: Still get it |
| 07:35.51 | stoned | hi |
| 07:35.55 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: get WHAT? |
| 07:36.03 | YogSothoth | I can add IPs to the system with sudo ifconfig. But how can I reverse the action, remove an IP from the system? |
| 07:36.07 | what_if | I cannot get "ls" to work using inetutils-ftpd. I setup ~/ftp/bin/ls as the man page says to, logins and cd works, other users work correctly ... ?? |
| 07:36.08 | muhoo | Vasistha: heh yeah |
| 07:36.18 | wols_ | YogSothoth: man ifconfig |
| 07:36.20 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: "undefined reference to `strupr'" |
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| 07:36.22 | stoned | YogSothoth: you want to go from static ip to dhcp? |
| 07:36.32 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: you lack an #include |
| 07:36.46 | stoned | YogSothoth: what reverse action? |
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| 07:36.56 | YogSothoth | stoned, nop I got one main static ip I keep. but I have addtional IPs. It's a web server. Now I want to remove one ip |
| 07:37.31 | wols_ | YogSothoth: to make it permanent, man interfaces |
| 07:37.40 | Vasistha | YogSothoth: I have no experience here, but perhaps with ifconfig down rather than up? |
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| 07:37.59 | tarzeau | i'm looking for the di i386 etch 2.6 netinstaller kernel config file... |
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| 07:38.25 | Supaplex | YogSothoth: read the interface option of the ifconfig man page carefully, and apply that to man interfaces. |
| 07:38.27 | stoned | Vasistha: i don't even understnad what he is trying to do |
| 07:38.28 | Vasistha | tarzeau: ...to do an install straight from hard drive? |
| 07:38.31 | dezent | tarzeau: maybe its in /proc/config.gz |
| 07:38.35 | stoned | webserer? virtual hosts? |
| 07:38.38 | stoned | what now? |
| 07:39.17 | tarzeau | dezent: i'll check that, but i kinda don't think so. what if it's not there, where else could i get it? |
| 07:39.26 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: I lack a Library |
| 07:39.30 | wols_ | tarzeau: after installation, /boot ? |
| 07:39.33 | Supaplex | stoned: sleep of course. zzZZZZz.... |
| 07:39.38 | tarzeau | wols_: that's the same kernel? |
| 07:39.48 | GhostlyDeath | undefined references mean that the required library isn't linked in |
| 07:39.52 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: that is not possible. you can't lack libc6 |
| 07:39.55 | dezent | tarzeau: i dont know, lets hope its in proc =) |
| 07:40.06 | tarzeau | dezent: ok i'll try thanks |
| 07:40.07 | wols_ | -lc then ? |
| 07:40.14 | dezent | tarzeau: np |
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| 07:40.20 | what_if | GhostlyDeath: libc6-dev ? |
| 07:40.29 | wols_ | what_if: those are header files |
| 07:40.32 | GhostlyDeath | installed |
| 07:40.48 | GhostlyDeath | gcc not have ANSI C? Code compils in MSVC |
| 07:41.00 | GhostlyDeath | er |
| 07:41.05 | GhostlyDeath | non standard C stuff |
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| 07:41.46 | hark | man gcc /ansi |
| 07:42.17 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: this function does not exist in reality |
| 07:42.18 | stoned | what package contains kde header files |
| 07:42.20 | wols_ | not part of ANSI |
| 07:42.22 | stoned | I can't seem to find em |
| 07:42.50 | stoned | kdelibs-dev? |
| 07:42.51 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: use toupper() and tolower() |
| 07:43.17 | stoned | kdebase-dev? |
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| 07:44.33 | YogSothoth | wols_, stoned, Vasistha, Supaplex, thanks I found what I needed in man ifconfig : sudo ifconfig eth0:1 del 193.43.... |
| 07:44.49 | Vasistha | YogSothoth: yeah, let's hear it for the man pages |
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| 07:44.55 | stoned | to compile one little friggin piece of code i need to install 50 bajillion dev packages |
| 07:44.58 | stoned | this is bullshit |
| 07:45.26 | wols_ | stoned: welcome to desktop environments |
| 07:45.43 | stoned | its like a cypress hill concert in my friggin box |
| 07:45.51 | stoned | total mess |
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| 07:48.40 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 07:48.40 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
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| 07:49.58 | what_if | anyone know how to troubleshoot ftpd "ls" not working when logged in as anonymous ? |
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| 07:50.40 | Vasistha | what_if: that may just be your client ... try ncftp |
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| 07:51.02 | what_if | Vasistha: tried ftp, and ncftp |
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| 07:51.30 | what_if | Vasistha: and I have tried it on 2 different machines |
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| 07:53.14 | hachi | hey, I'm trying to reinstall mysql-server, so I go 'apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server'... and it happily returns to me with "The following extra packages will be installed: postgresql-7.4"... how can I chase down whatever the heck it is that's trying to install postgres? |
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| 07:54.56 | walrusmi | I can get a 1990FX for $540. |
| 07:55.17 | wols_ | hachi: apt-rdepends |
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| 07:55.37 | wols_ | walrusmi: this is debian related? |
| 07:55.51 | walrusmi | This model is designed for financial institutions, features the world's thinnest bezel, and automatically adjusts itself per ambient brightness of the room. |
| 07:56.02 | walrusmi | It also features an S-IPS panel. |
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| 07:56.05 | wols_ | walrusmi: #hardware |
| 07:56.17 | walrusmi | And it is fully adjustable in height. |
| 07:56.24 | wols_ | !tell walrusmi about ot |
| 07:56.45 | walrusmi | I am going to #debian-offtopic, folks. |
| 07:56.50 | walrusmi | See you there. |
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| 07:58.46 | doudou | Hi, is there a program to download the titles of a music cd? |
| 07:59.42 | nvz | cddb |
| 07:59.54 | doudou | i bought a mp3 reader for my car, but discover today that mp3 encoding is not allowed any more !! why selling mp3 products is allowed with old name then? |
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| 08:00.14 | wols_ | !mp3 |
| 08:00.14 | dpkg | well, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 08:00.30 | wols_ | see the small word "patented" |
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| 08:00.45 | maddash | doudou: audacity |
| 08:01.24 | Vasistha | doudou: I think lame is available from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 08:05.53 | doudou | not changing names is cheating people |
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| 08:16.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:16.28 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
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| 08:17.40 | what_if | debian = best distro :) |
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| 08:22.42 | walrusmi | "I actually like glossy screens better because I think when a regular lcd has a light source behind it it gets washed out and hard to read." |
| 08:22.59 | walrusmi | True? |
| 08:23.05 | walrusmi | Wrong channel. |
| 08:23.07 | walrusmi | I've been using Debian since the Potato days, folks. |
| 08:23.12 | walrusmi | Remember those days? |
| 08:23.25 | walrusmi | Back then just installing the big D was a feat in and of itself. |
| 08:23.56 | GuHHH | does anyone knows if is it possible to run beryl with fglrx driver? |
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| 08:29.38 | liable | sure, but you need to get xgl from somewhere |
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| 08:37.54 | BambiX | hi all |
| 08:38.36 | BambiX | having trouble getting my debian box to use a static ip adress, as long as i keep it on dhcp it works, but as soon as I use a static config eth0 doesn't show on ifconfig |
| 08:38.53 | petemc | BambiX: you do ifup eth0 ? |
| 08:39.01 | BambiX | ehm, no |
| 08:39.10 | BambiX | should i? |
| 08:39.21 | petemc | you're editing /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:39.24 | BambiX | yes |
| 08:39.34 | BambiX | shall i post my config? |
| 08:39.48 | petemc | you dont think its correct? |
| 08:39.51 | BambiX | yes |
| 08:39.55 | BambiX | but i'm no expert |
| 08:40.04 | petemc | try ifup eth0... |
| 08:40.09 | BambiX | ok 2 sec |
| 08:41.19 | BambiX | btw can i do /etc/init.d/network restart instead of rebooting to test a new config? |
| 08:41.23 | petemc | yes |
| 08:41.31 | BambiX | =) will do that next time then |
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| 08:43.07 | BambiX | ok i did ifup eth0 |
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| 08:43.08 | BambiX | don't seem to ahve all the variables for eth0/inet |
| 08:43.08 | BambiX | failed to bring up eth0 |
| 08:43.08 | BambiX | so it's the config |
| 08:43.08 | BambiX | ? |
| 08:43.40 | BambiX | my config looks like this |
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| 08:43.48 | petemc | dont paste here |
| 08:43.51 | kubrick | does anyone have any clue about why I cant make work a DNAT rule in etch while the same rule works fine in a gentoo box |
| 08:43.52 | BambiX | oh ok |
| 08:43.57 | BambiX | ehm |
| 08:44.09 | BambiX | where can i post then? |
| 08:44.12 | petemc | !paste |
| 08:44.12 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 08:44.16 | kubrick | the same iptables modules loaded, ip_forward active, no errors in iptables execution |
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| 08:44.47 | BambiX | ehm |
| 08:44.55 | BambiX | can i type rule by rule? |
| 08:45.33 | BambiX | ah wait ok |
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| 08:46.10 | petemc | BambiX: iface eth0 inet static \n address 1.2.3.4 \n netmask 255.255.255.0 \n gateway 1.2.3.4 |
| 08:47.14 | BambiX | ehm what does /n do? |
| 08:47.19 | petemc | newline |
| 08:47.25 | BambiX | ah ok yeah i ahve that |
| 08:47.26 | petemc | dont type it verbatim |
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| 08:48.01 | BambiX | verbatim? |
| 08:48.34 | petemc | get a dictionary |
| 08:48.46 | BambiX | allow-hotplug eth0 /n iface eth0 inet static /n adress 192.168.1.10 /n netmask 255.255.255.0 /n gateway 192.168.1.9 |
| 08:48.55 | BambiX | sorry will look up verbatim |
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| 08:49.33 | wols_ | kubrick: #netfilter |
| 08:49.34 | BambiX | ah you mean quote? |
| 08:49.46 | wols_ | BambiX: no he does not |
| 08:49.56 | wols_ | BambiX: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:50.09 | BambiX | i just did |
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| 08:50.31 | BambiX | (it's on internal lan without inetenet hookup so i have to type it |
| 08:50.36 | wols_ | where? there is no paste URL from you |
| 08:50.39 | ringo999 | is there actually a netbeans5.5 package for debian? |
| 08:50.44 | ringo999 | (etch) |
| 08:50.56 | wols_ | ringo999: unlikely |
| 08:51.10 | hark | guess he means the line above |
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| 08:51.33 | wols_ | BambiX: is there actually the chars "/n" in your interfaces? |
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| 08:51.43 | BambiX | no i use it to indicate a new line |
| 08:52.05 | wols_ | BambiX: is there a eth0 when you run "ifconfig -a"? |
| 08:52.12 | BambiX | 2 sec |
| 08:52.36 | BambiX | yes ifconfig -a shows eth0 |
| 08:52.44 | wols_ | also. where is the "auto eth0" line? |
| 08:53.17 | BambiX | it didn't work with auto eth0, had to use allow-hotplug instead |
| 08:53.31 | hark | omgz i found the problem!! you misspelled address |
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| 08:53.37 | wols_ | doh! |
| 08:53.43 | wols_ | hark: good eyes |
| 08:54.00 | BambiX | eh? |
| 08:54.01 | hark | heh, but must be a typo ;) |
| 08:54.07 | BambiX | ehm 2 sec |
| 08:54.32 | BambiX | lol double d omg i suck |
| 08:54.37 | BambiX | 2 sec |
| 08:54.50 | hark | !typosmite BambiX |
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| 08:55.57 | jetscreamer | 2.6.20 fixes the booting issue, but is CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y supposed to be in the xen kernel and not the usual stock ones? |
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| 08:56.05 | jetscreamer | err 2.6.20-2 |
| 08:56.35 | BambiX | i knew it had to be something simple |
| 08:56.42 | jetscreamer | it is in the usual stock |
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| 08:58.17 | BambiX | thanks for the help guys, you are the ebst |
| 08:58.19 | BambiX | best |
| 08:58.27 | BambiX | i'll be retreating now |
| 08:58.29 | doudou | I dont understand why many programs i can install want su to do so, i must trust them and they became able to do everything? |
| 08:58.59 | Guerin | doudou: wtf |
| 08:59.16 | hark | jetscreamer: yeah, it is.. |
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| 08:59.18 | Guerin | doudou: you need root to install *anything* on debian |
| 08:59.39 | hark | EXPERIMENTAL stuff :\ |
| 09:00.07 | hark | in the 686 here |
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| 09:00.34 | jetscreamer | hark: it's only supposed to be enabled in the xen kernel package, or yeah it's supposed to be enabled in the stock kernel package |
| 09:00.47 | wols_ | jetscreamer: xen kernel |
| 09:00.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:01.09 | jetscreamer | it's compiled in in 2.6.20-2-k7 |
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| 09:01.23 | doudou | guerin, so all security is from debian testing packages? why not alowwing user space only for most? |
| 09:01.26 | jetscreamer | is it a new maintainer or something? |
| 09:02.31 | wols_ | !confuse doudou |
| 09:02.31 | dpkg | Yes, who are your pants tomorrow, doudou? trousers of the people's republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
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| 09:02.45 | wols_ | dunker: if you want to install something on linux, you generally need root to do so |
| 09:03.08 | wols_ | the package you have installed then only needs root in rare cases since developers try to minimize root usage |
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| 09:03.17 | wols_ | doudou: so what programs need root? |
| 09:03.33 | jetscreamer | /usr/local |
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| 09:03.59 | jetscreamer | jsut install it under your ~ |
| 09:04.11 | wols_ | ls -al /usr/local |
| 09:04.12 | wols_ | drwxrwsr-x 11 root staff 288 2006-09-22 13:47 . |
| 09:04.12 | doudou | i read unix security is from password levels, like root and users, if found this one : http://hachoir.org/wiki/Install/package#Debian should i trust it? |
| 09:04.17 | wols_ | jetscreamer: any more questions? |
| 09:04.47 | doudou | wols_, yes all this is very confusing |
| 09:04.48 | jetscreamer | wols_: get a +5 staff ? :) |
| 09:05.55 | wols_ | doudou: this python library won't need root |
| 09:06.05 | wols_ | when you isntall it, apt-get or dpkg of course needs root |
| 09:06.41 | Guerin | doudou: no, security comes from being a competent admin |
| 09:06.47 | walrusmi | Glossy LCD is equal in reflectivity as a good CRT? |
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| 09:07.08 | Guerin | doudou: privilege separation is important, but it's not everything |
| 09:07.15 | xand | walrusmi: glossy LCD is damn annoying |
| 09:07.19 | Guerin | walrusmi: ask #hardware |
| 09:07.22 | wols_ | walrusmi: #hardware ? |
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| 09:07.53 | wols_ | walrusmi: #debian is NOT your personal hardware advisor |
| 09:07.58 | jetscreamer | !admin |
| 09:07.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, admin is like a omnipresent god, or http://home.datacomm.ch/prutishauser/humor/hack/know.ur.sysadmin.html |
| 09:08.13 | Guerin | doudou: you appear to be in that phase of competence where you know enough to be a danger to yourself and others |
| 09:08.35 | doudou | Guerin, why ask people to be competent, when those who are asking are obviously not, see the mess all this is |
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| 09:08.39 | hark | walrusmi: #hardware is a better place |
| 09:08.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg, admin is also and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer |
| 09:08.40 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 09:08.40 | Guerin | doudou: my advice to you is: debian is pretty sane and secure by default. If you don't have a very, very strong reason to change something, leave it the hell alone. |
| 09:08.58 | Guerin | doudou: the point is that it's a process, not a goal. |
| 09:09.39 | doudou | guerin, story told us, never trust anything, suspicion should be the rule, and people who does not admit this rule are obviously a danger for all |
| 09:10.00 | jetscreamer | try know wtf you are doing before you do it |
| 09:10.10 | hark | just trust me :) |
| 09:10.14 | jetscreamer | easier to remember |
| 09:10.19 | Guerin | doudou: ok. but how do you know what to leave be, and what to change? |
| 09:10.24 | Guerin | answer: you don't. |
| 09:10.50 | jetscreamer | no, it's simple |
| 09:10.55 | jetscreamer | if you don't know, don't touch |
| 09:11.59 | jetscreamer | think doesn't count |
| 09:12.22 | doudou | jetscreamer, you forgot that it is my computer, seems things should adapt to people |
| 09:12.39 | jetscreamer | then just go to town on it |
| 09:12.52 | jetscreamer | remember you get to keep the pieces when it breaks though |
| 09:12.54 | Guerin | doudou: sure. We're not saying you can't fuck with stuff to your heart's content - just don't complain to us about it. |
| 09:13.07 | Guerin | jetscreamer: stop stealin' mah lines! |
| 09:13.13 | Guerin | hotdamn |
| 09:13.48 | jetscreamer | still a good rule for messing with the box too |
| 09:13.48 | muhoo | does nspluginwrapper even work with iceweasel? |
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| 09:14.00 | formorer | hi |
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| 09:14.30 | muhoo | nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so gives me |
| 09:14.32 | muhoo | *** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libflashplayer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:14.35 | muhoo | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so |
| 09:14.36 | muhoo | blah |
| 09:14.59 | hark | is it in Debian now? |
| 09:15.18 | muhoo | hm? |
| 09:15.45 | doudou | guerin, i complain of course because i have questions and no sensible answers : "beleive in debian", pbly there is a reason why you cant install packages in user space, pbly there are reasons why it is mostly a big mess, but theses reasons should not be a secret |
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| 09:17.11 | doudou | i can understand you have no time to loose trying to answer my questions |
| 09:17.31 | petemc | doudou: what are you comparing it to? are you qualified to judge whether debians security is "mostly a big mess" ? |
| 09:17.42 | Guerin | doudou: they're not a secret, they're plain and obvious to anyone with the most trivial undertsanding of unix permissions |
| 09:17.44 | doudou | i compare to nothing |
| 09:17.58 | Guerin | doudou: and therefore your comparison is meaningless |
| 09:18.12 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 09:18.12 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 09:18.14 | hark | muhoo: what version of nspluginwrapper? |
| 09:18.34 | Guerin | doudou: read those documents ... if you have any questions, get back to us. |
| 09:18.42 | muhoo | hark: 0.9.91.4-1 |
| 09:19.21 | hark | yeah, it's supposed to be fixed in this version |
| 09:19.31 | muhoo | which version? |
| 09:19.46 | hark | !dbugs 417288 |
| 09:19.49 | dpkg | DONE:#417288:I[nspluginwrapper] nspluginwrapper: please add nswrapper.so in varions /usr/lib/$mozilla-flavour/plugins; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:33:02 UTC |
| 09:20.01 | muhoo | :-/ |
| 09:20.54 | wols_ | doudou: you used windows before? |
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| 09:21.11 | hark | oh, nm just read what you pasted |
| 09:21.49 | wols_ | doudou: from your questions it seems you did and now use a OS with proper priviledge separation for the first time and it confuses you and angers you that you can't do just anywthing you want |
| 09:21.52 | doudou | wols_, i dont want to compare |
| 09:22.00 | wols_ | doudou: you do |
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| 09:23.56 | muhoo | hark: so what's the workaround? |
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| 09:24.22 | muhoo | or the fix? do i need to do some manual hacks to nspluginwrapper? |
| 09:24.28 | doudou | wols_, i dont compare, i wanted to install a python program and test it (as user) but installation ask root privileges .. so i am allowing access to all my computer, pbly this is still the case but this is not a reason |
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| 09:24.53 | wols_ | on any sane OS, only superusers can install stuff |
| 09:24.55 | hark | muhoo: dunno, i don't run it.. it's still pretty buggy afaik |
| 09:25.16 | wols_ | cause no one but superusers should access system wide accesible binary directories |
| 09:25.45 | scx | wols_: well programs can be installed for user only too |
| 09:26.11 | muhoo | flash itself is buggy |
| 09:26.14 | muhoo | even on ia32 |
| 09:26.25 | muhoo | i don't think nspluginwraper is the cause of the trouble |
| 09:26.35 | hark | flash is the pinnacle of closed source development |
| 09:26.44 | wols_ | scx: with dpkg? |
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| 09:26.59 | Guerin | wols_: it's possible |
| 09:27.06 | jetscreamer | !kill adobe |
| 09:27.13 | scx | wols_: surely no |
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| 09:27.23 | scx | wols_: manually |
| 09:28.06 | jetscreamer | hark: s/flash/adobe/ |
| 09:28.06 | scx | or you can create a devel space but that's something else |
| 09:28.07 | wols_ | Guerin: by creating a secondary dpkg infrastructure? |
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| 09:28.10 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
| 09:28.30 | hark | jetscreamer: nooo |
| 09:28.50 | jetscreamer | they own macromedia, which owns flash... |
| 09:28.55 | hark | !praise flash |
| 09:29.04 | maddash | jari aalto's a fucking moron |
| 09:29.05 | doudou | i beleive we are in a world where my computer is becoming someone else computer, with access to what i do and so one, this fear is shared by lot of ppl i suppose, so natural answer is try to understand, but obviously it is too complicated (on purpose ?) |
| 09:29.05 | muhoo | flash suck dog cock |
| 09:29.37 | muhoo | but, it's a necessity these days: i.e. youtube, myspace, etc |
| 09:29.47 | muhoo | open standards? hah! what a joke. |
| 09:30.00 | petemc | none of those sites are in any way necessary.. |
| 09:30.02 | hark | swfdec now supports youtube, fyi |
| 09:30.20 | walrusmi | Anyone know why Sony stopped making LCDs? |
| 09:30.22 | Guerin | hark: is that free? |
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| 09:30.30 | hark | yup |
| 09:30.31 | muhoo | i was looking at gnash |
| 09:30.40 | Guerin | hark: nice |
| 09:30.41 | muhoo | should i look at swfdec instead? remember: i need amd64 |
| 09:30.42 | jetscreamer | mencoder does some flash stuff |
| 09:30.55 | muhoo | mencoder only plays older flash movies |
| 09:31.04 | scx | well flash is actually based in open standards and we should be able to make an opensource alternative, although Adobe put the crap against making compatible players |
| 09:31.12 | jetscreamer | mencoder doesn't play, mplayer plays |
| 09:31.17 | doudou | pll should ally to buy and impose open standards |
| 09:31.19 | muhoo | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 09:31.40 | Guerin | doudou: this is a wise and good position, however it is one which must be tempered by *experience* |
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| 09:31.40 | scx | in EU it is not valid and maybe could be even be proved as invalid |
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| 09:32.05 | Guerin | doudou: don't fuck with shit until you know what it is you're fucking with. I exhort you to edumacate yourself. |
| 09:32.13 | doudou | guerin, i feel enought shame, each time i discover my questions where stupid you know |
| 09:32.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:32.24 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 09:33.01 | Guerin | doudou: not a matter of stupidity, shit is just complicated and takes time to learn |
| 09:33.03 | ringo999 | hi, im gettings error messages when trying to install netbeans5.5 on debian etch. somethign like : ./netbeans-5_5-linux.bin: line 189: bc: command not found |
| 09:33.13 | ringo999 | anyone got it working? |
| 09:33.18 | tarzeau | ringo999: apt-get install bc |
| 09:33.26 | Trewas_ | walrusmi: sony stopped making lcds? |
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| 09:34.04 | muhoo | ok, swf-player uses gstreamer, way too heavyweight |
| 09:34.38 | tarzeau | Trewas_: pickard stopped making LSD too |
| 09:34.38 | muhoo | i suppose i'll give gnash a go |
| 09:34.48 | muhoo | dunno if either will work with iceweasel though |
| 09:34.50 | Trewas_ | tarzeau: whoa :) |
| 09:34.52 | hark | Guerin: http://www.advogato.org/person/company/diary.html?start=35 |
| 09:35.14 | hark | muhoo: ^^ |
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| 09:36.01 | hark | http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 09:36.19 | Guerin | nifty |
| 09:36.51 | hark | and "plays 80% of the ads" ;) |
| 09:36.52 | muhoo | macromedia/adobe did what sun tried to do and failed |
| 09:37.16 | maddash | what did the sun try to do? |
| 09:37.20 | hark | i would say it's quite successful |
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| 09:37.28 | Marenz | what is the name of the var that tells pogramms which is my home dir ? |
| 09:37.31 | hark | even MS wants to get into it |
| 09:37.35 | scx | java rule the world |
| 09:37.38 | maddash | Marenz: $HOME |
| 09:37.40 | Marenz | ty |
| 09:37.45 | muhoo | exactly "take over the world" |
| 09:38.04 | muhoo | "the same thing we try to do every day, pinky" |
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| 09:39.00 | muhoo | ok: gnash or swfdec. which is more mature, more stable, more interoperable? |
| 09:39.08 | Guerin | scx: java will, once it's GPL |
| 09:39.19 | Guerin | scx: there'll be no reason for people to not use it |
| 09:39.24 | Guerin | except that it's bloated |
| 09:39.25 | scx | noooooooooooo |
| 09:39.28 | Guerin | and ofvercomplicated |
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| 09:39.33 | Guerin | and stuff ;) |
| 09:39.54 | Guerin | muhoo: gnash is pretty fucking alpha |
| 09:40.02 | scx | long life to perl |
| 09:40.05 | Mooi | Hello, what is the name of the software that allows you to make a large picture from a few smaller ones? Like you take a snap of one place from different positions and then you have a very big picture? |
| 09:40.06 | muhoo | Guerin: ok, thanks |
| 09:40.07 | Guerin | if swfdec can do youtube, i'd guess it's further along |
| 09:40.21 | muhoo | i heard that gnash could too, but that was a while ago |
| 09:40.54 | walrusmi | many gentlemen are reporting a need for a pant change |
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| 09:41.02 | Guerin | Mooi: you want panorama software. There is some incredilbly good gear out there, free too, but i ca't recall the name. |
| 09:41.04 | stegbth | hi alle |
| 09:41.09 | walrusmi | upon first viewing a genuine 17"+ XBRITE-grade LCD. |
| 09:41.15 | stegbth | all, sorry ;) |
| 09:41.24 | Guerin | muhoo: gnash could't, at least about 2 months ago when I last cared |
| 09:41.32 | Mooi | ah, panorama, thanks |
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| 09:41.46 | JosefAssad | hi |
| 09:41.49 | Mooi | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=site:sourceforge.net+panorama ;_) |
| 09:41.59 | muhoo | thanks. ok, swfdec it is |
| 09:41.59 | Guerin | Mooi: that's probably the idea. |
| 09:42.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Gnash can play YouTube, DailyMotion, Lulu.TV and several others. |
| 09:42.09 | JosefAssad | just installed etch... having some issues with choppy video playback. Anyone know what might be wrong, is this common? |
| 09:42.10 | muhoo | i hope it's straightforward to get it to play nice with iceweasel |
| 09:42.11 | hark | gnash should support it in the next version iirc |
| 09:42.25 | Mooi | hugin is what I was looking for, thanks much |
| 09:42.33 | Guerin | yes, hugin is the one |
| 09:42.36 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: really? have you tried it? |
| 09:42.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 09:42.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have it installed |
| 09:42.44 | Guerin | there are another couple of tools which go along with it |
| 09:42.51 | Guerin | it's awesome, i've used it |
| 09:42.55 | Mooi | yep |
| 09:42.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: It needs to be compiled against ffmpeg though |
| 09:43.15 | Guerin | a friend stitched a 360 of the great wall of china with it |
| 09:43.25 | Mooi | =] |
| 09:43.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: ./configure --disable-klash --enable-renderer=agg --enable-media=ffmpeg --enable-write <-- Just pass those, and it should be OK |
| 09:44.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Join #gnash should problems arise, as they tend to. :) |
| 09:44.16 | Guerin | JosefAssad: what type of video, whhat cpu? |
| 09:44.25 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: ah, so instead of gstreamer |
| 09:44.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: You need a CVS build though, stable won't cut it |
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| 09:44.32 | Guerin | JosefAssad: by `type' i mean what codec - not `avi or mpeg' |
| 09:44.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: No, you can use GST, but it needs the ffmpeg plugin :P |
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| 09:44.57 | JosefAssad | Guerin: avi, celeron. But it ran very smoothly on my previous distro (edgy. upgraded to feisty, same problem. Switched over to etch finally, same issue) |
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| 09:45.08 | ringo999 | how can i see how much diskspace I have left on my machine? |
| 09:45.21 | hark | ringo999: df |
| 09:45.22 | JosefAssad | Guerin: oh, sorry. Right. Not entirely certain of the codec, but I can play _any_ video file and it'll be choppy |
| 09:45.24 | xand | ringo999: df |
| 09:45.26 | Guerin | JosefAssad: ok. avi *is not* a codec. use `file' |
| 09:45.31 | stegbth | there seems to exist a problem when upgrading from sarge to etch, and having |
| 09:45.32 | stegbth | xfs-filesystem on software-raid. |
| 09:45.32 | stegbth | i upgraded currently 9 machine's 3 of them had software-raid1 with xfs on |
| 09:45.32 | stegbth | it. while upgrade-process (while 2.6.8 was still running) i got i/o error's |
| 09:45.32 | stegbth | cause xfs founds error's and shutdown /usr or /tmp. afterwards only a |
| 09:45.32 | stegbth | recoverycd with xfs_repair was the solution. |
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| 09:45.33 | Guerin | JosefAssad: what player? |
| 09:45.34 | hark | ringo999: df -h, for puny human brains ;) |
| 09:45.38 | JosefAssad | Guerin: mplayer, totem |
| 09:45.41 | Arcad3 | hi, my mysql server doesn't start at boot ..where shall i add the start command? |
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| 09:45.50 | Guerin | JosefAssad: ok, stick ith mplayer, since it's what I know |
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| 09:45.55 | JosefAssad | Guerin: ditto |
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| 09:46.07 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: ah, cool. I'll give it a go when i get some time free :) |
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| 09:46.09 | Guerin | JosefAssad: play it with mplayer -vo xv filename |
| 09:46.20 | Arcad3 | !postfix |
| 09:46.20 | dpkg | i guess postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 09:46.23 | stegbth | sorry, i prepared my statement and pasted it :( |
| 09:46.26 | muhoo | naw that's crazy |
| 09:46.32 | Guerin | stegbth: badbadbad |
| 09:46.36 | muhoo | iceape-dev | mozilla-dev | firefox-dev liboil0.3-dev libswfdec0.4-dev (>= 0.4.3-2) libswfdec0.4-dev (<< 0.4.4) |
| 09:46.46 | JosefAssad | Guerin: tried that, no effect. Tried x11 also |
| 09:46.54 | Guerin | JosefAssad: no change, you mean? |
| 09:46.55 | stegbth | i am sorry |
| 09:47.02 | muhoo | no fucking way am i going to install the whole mozilla and iceweasel dev trees just to get a flash player plugin |
| 09:47.08 | JosefAssad | Guerin: yes |
| 09:47.09 | Guerin | JosefAssad: what video driver are you using? |
| 09:47.15 | JosefAssad | i810 |
| 09:47.18 | maddash | muhoo: opera |
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| 09:47.22 | stegbth | there seems to exist a problem when upgrading from sarge to etch, and having xfs-filesystem on software-raid. |
| 09:47.23 | muhoo | naw |
| 09:47.28 | JosefAssad | Guerin: i810 driver, 915 chipset |
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| 09:47.33 | stegbth | i upgraded currently 9 machine's 3 of them had software-raid1 with xfs on it. while upgrade-process (while 2.6.8 was still running) i got i/o error's |
| 09:47.46 | stegbth | cause xfs founds error's and shutdown /usr or /tmp. afterwards only a recoverycd with xfs_repair was the solution. |
| 09:47.57 | stegbth | in one case i had to backup, reformat and restore /, cause even xfs_repair was unable to fix the error's |
| 09:47.58 | muhoo | lessee if there's a apt-get.org backport for amd64 etch |
| 09:48.01 | stegbth | any ideas? |
| 09:48.09 | Guerin | JosefAssad: hm, that should do xv fine. are you scaling the video or playing it at native resolution? |
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| 09:48.42 | muhoo | ah shit |
| 09:48.45 | muhoo | no such thing |
| 09:48.52 | hark | muhoo: or you try the gnash ffmpeg thing and let us know how it goes ;) |
| 09:49.06 | JosefAssad | Guerin: native and scaling both choppy. The real issue is (I think) that they used to run just fine in previous distros |
| 09:49.13 | muhoo | gnash wants MING dynasty shit or something similarly annoying |
| 09:49.15 | Arcad3 | mysql wont start at boot ..where shall i put the start command? |
| 09:49.18 | maddash | !gnash |
| 09:49.18 | dpkg | gnash is probably a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
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| 09:49.38 | maddash | flash is a joke. |
| 09:49.38 | JosefAssad | Guerin: Suspected hard disk performance, but I have tweaked using hdparm |
| 09:49.40 | The_Messiah | Hello room |
| 09:49.44 | Guerin | JosefAssad: yes, but i wonder what's *causing* the chop. got DMA? |
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| 09:49.45 | The_Messiah | i have a question |
| 09:49.47 | Guerin | woah |
| 09:49.52 | muhoo | maddash: no flash is EVIL |
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| 09:49.56 | JosefAssad | Guerin: that was my suspicion too. Yes, I do |
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| 09:50.01 | jstephan | hey guys |
| 09:50.08 | Guerin | JosefAssad: nice. Ok. the other thing to look at is audio. |
| 09:50.29 | Arcad3 | am i invisible? |
| 09:50.30 | Guerin | JosefAssad: kill esd/arts or whatever and use alsa |
| 09:50.30 | The_Messiah | im using Backtrack, and i cant get my Wlassistant to connect to any network, everytime i try it says conection failed |
| 09:50.30 | Guerin | Arcad3: yes. |
| 09:50.30 | JosefAssad | Guerin: okay, lemme try with -nosound |
| 09:50.31 | SlayerXP | Arcad3: sorry, I can't see what you're saying. |
| 09:50.47 | scx | still talking about flash? |
| 09:50.50 | Guerin | JosefAssad: or -ao null, which plays the sound track, and pipes it out to /dev/null |
| 09:50.54 | jstephan | big trouble here, i upgraded an workstation to 4.0, now it runs into kernel-panic, seems the FS has changed, someone maybe tell me how to fix it? please |
| 09:50.56 | Arcad3 | mysql server should start automatically |
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| 09:51.28 | JosefAssad | Guerin: with mplayer -nosound file.avi still choppy. Same with -ao null |
| 09:51.37 | Guerin | JosefAssad: weird. |
| 09:51.41 | JosefAssad | Guerin: indeedy :) |
| 09:51.45 | Guerin | JosefAssad: that's my checklist. |
| 09:52.01 | JosefAssad | Guerin: I was thinking there might be a kernel change which tripped my setup up |
| 09:52.15 | bloosky | I need to set up DNS for a LAN, just for internal use, is there anything lighter/smaller/easier than bind for this? |
| 09:52.18 | Guerin | kernel should have no impact beyond a/v drivers |
| 09:52.19 | JosefAssad | I'll try with a 2.4 |
| 09:52.33 | JosefAssad | Guerin: Can't think of anything else :) |
| 09:52.46 | maddash | !penixstrike Jari Aalto |
| 09:52.46 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Jari Aalto to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:52.51 | JosefAssad | shm maybe? |
| 09:53.30 | maddash | i could be sleeping now instead of trying to build truecrypt if it weren't for this dipstick's useless tinkering |
| 09:53.45 | muhoo | penix? didn't he used to hang out in #debian? |
| 09:54.05 | muhoo | i thought that was the greatest nick, ever |
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| 09:55.26 | JosefAssad | oh well. |
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| 10:02.24 | muhoo | fucking useless |
| 10:02.26 | muhoo | the player can play Flash files, called SWF, up to version 7 |
| 10:02.31 | doudou | guerin, ppl are stupid, it is proved, mostly bcause they only want to make facts conform to what they beleive and never change what they beleive, but you do the same, only our beleive are different |
| 10:02.31 | muhoo | youtube is version 9 |
| 10:02.38 | muhoo | so is myspace |
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| 10:02.55 | maddash | [ERROR] Kernel kbuild not found. Please install linux-kbuild-2.6.20.3 |
| 10:03.07 | maddash | wtf? dpkg says that there's no "kbuild" package |
| 10:03.44 | hark | yeah, well that's sid then :\ |
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| 10:04.01 | SlayerXP | linux-kbuild-2.6.18 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 10:04.19 | hark | muhoo: Gnash CVS works... ask Dark_Apostrophe |
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| 10:05.19 | maddash | arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 10:05.29 | maddash | !kill Jari Aalto |
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| 10:08.26 | VivekVC | Why is the internet superserver disabled by default in debian etch ? |
| 10:09.00 | VivekVC | How do I enable it. By default openbsd-inetd gets installed on etc. |
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| 10:09.21 | Oe_eden | im getting this error on a 32 bit machine: cannot execute binary file from a file that is mounted from a 64 bit host? how can I find out how the binary is compiled |
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| 10:11.49 | Oe_eden | man file |
| 10:11.52 | Oe_eden | allright |
| 10:12.00 | Oe_eden | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.53 | azeem | Oe_eden: compile in a 32bit chroot |
| 10:12.59 | GuHHH | does anyone knows if is it possible to get beryl working with fglrx driver (ati proprietary driver)? |
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| 10:13.55 | Oe_eden | azeem: so what are the ia32 libs good for? |
| 10:13.59 | maddash | eeyore-: how'd you ever manage to install truecrypt? |
| 10:14.09 | azeem | Oe_eden: to run some things |
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| 10:14.46 | maddash | GuHHH: a) ask in #beryl b) no. |
| 10:14.55 | spheard | how do I pipe a locate into rm, so deleteing all the files that the locate finds? |
| 10:15.29 | lupine_85 | rm `locate <args>` ? |
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| 10:16.10 | norbert_ | can anyone tell me why I get "Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release" |
| 10:16.26 | stew | lupine_85: that works as long as the filenames contain no whitespace |
| 10:16.46 | lupine_85 | ah... does locate have a -q equivalent? |
| 10:17.02 | pej | spheard: you probably want to use find and pipe the output to xargs. |
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| 10:17.34 | walrusmi | http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5067/site1052relt2.jpg |
| 10:17.47 | walrusmi | Look at that matte screen on the left. |
| 10:18.03 | walrusmi | Does it not have more glare than the mirrored screen on the right? |
| 10:18.15 | lupine_85 | erm, -Q |
| 10:19.13 | lupine_85 | hmm, no it doesn't. Output to a file, replace \s with \\s, then pipe the file to rm? ;) |
| 10:19.14 | stew | norbert_: can you hit www.debian-multimedia.org in a web browser? what does the debian-multimedia line look like in your sources.list? |
| 10:19.25 | spheard | pej: xargs, not sure I understand what that does |
| 10:19.44 | norbert_ | stew: yes, it's the etch line, I copy-pasted it (middle mouse button) and ran apt-get update |
| 10:19.48 | stew | lupine_85: locate | while read a ; do rm $a;done ; which works as long as you dont have \n's in your filenames |
| 10:20.00 | stew | norbert_: what does it look like? |
| 10:20.14 | norbert_ | stew: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 10:20.42 | stew | norbert_: what happens if you run "HEAD http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/etch/Release" ? do you get a 200 or a timeout or what? |
| 10:21.00 | norbert_ | stew: 200 OK |
| 10:21.28 | lupine_85 | So it won't choke when it gets /home/foo/bar/my bar/too ? |
| 10:21.37 | norbert_ | stew: could it have to do with a "GPG error"? |
| 10:21.38 | stew | norbert_: dunno, then, perhaps there actually is a problem with the Release file |
| 10:22.01 | norbert_ | stew: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 10:22.07 | stew | lupine_85: no, read uses \n as the delimiter, and locate returns one line per file |
| 10:22.14 | stew | norbert_: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 10:23.01 | lupine_85 | mm, but a quick test suggests rm will then see it as two seperate files |
| 10:23.07 | lupine_85 | lupine@nick:/chroots/feisty_i386$ rm $a |
| 10:23.07 | lupine_85 | rm: cannot remove `hi': No such file or directory |
| 10:23.07 | lupine_85 | rm: cannot remove `bob': No such file or directory |
| 10:23.21 | pej | spheard: something like.. find /home -name "*blah*" -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 10:23.37 | lupine_85 | rm "$a" works |
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| 10:24.27 | stew | lupine_85: oh, right |
| 10:24.50 | lupine_85 | we got there in the end :) |
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| 10:25.13 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 10:25.34 | GiabboO | i am trying to install Debian 4.0 on a ESB2 Raid controller |
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| 10:26.26 | GiabboO | any of you know how to enable support for INTEL 5000x ESB2 HostRaid ? |
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| 10:31.04 | norbert_ | stew: yep, that GPG key fixed the Err; thx |
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| 10:42.07 | pingouin | how can i get the config of the kernel i have ? (stock kernel 2.6.18-4-686, on Etch) |
| 10:42.19 | piti | hello. I've a noob question : I want to install packages with apt-get, from internet, and the command tells me to insert a cdrom (I don't have it) |
| 10:42.23 | wols_ | pingouin: /boot/config* |
| 10:42.44 | wols_ | piti: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list properly |
| 10:42.47 | pingouin | wols_: ok thanks |
| 10:42.48 | wols_ | piti: and run apt-spy |
| 10:42.58 | liable | piti: comment the cdrom line in your sources.list |
| 10:44.46 | jetscreamer | back the damn thing up before you run apt-spy |
| 10:45.17 | rissy | my gnome application controls seem to be all boxy, is there a package i can install to allow rounded corners for buttons and such? |
| 10:45.21 | wols_ | jetscreamer: not as if ther is anything worthwile in there right now |
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| 10:45.34 | norbert_ | piti: just put a "#" in front of the cd-rom line in /etc/apt/sources.list and run '# apt-get update' afterwards |
| 10:45.36 | sinizzl | hi folks |
| 10:45.44 | sinizzl | i have a pretty stupid question: how can i find out what DNS i am using ?? |
| 10:46.09 | torrr | what's the easiest way to use inotify? |
| 10:46.10 | piti | thanks norbert, it's going on |
| 10:46.20 | wols_ | sinizzl: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:46.20 | norbert_ | sinizzl, /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 10:46.30 | wols_ | norbert_: this won't show dns |
| 10:46.37 | norbert_ | wols_, yep; my bad |
| 10:46.38 | sinizzl | norbert_: how can i use ifconfig to show dns? it doesn't show by just typing "ifconfig eth1" |
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| 10:46.45 | wols_ | sinizzl: you can't |
| 10:46.50 | wols_ | sinizzl: I told you how |
| 10:47.05 | norbert_ | sinizzl, what wols_ told you about $ cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:47.19 | rissy | no one to answer my application controls look and feel question? |
| 10:47.41 | sinizzl | yeah :D |
| 10:47.43 | sinizzl | that did the trick |
| 10:47.44 | wols_ | rissy: gnome themes |
| 10:47.45 | norbert_ | preferences -> theme |
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| 10:47.57 | tarzeau | telnet 80.219.69.228 27015 # I HAVE SCORE! |
| 10:48.11 | norbert_ | rissy: check out themes.freshmeat.net |
| 10:48.15 | rissy | wols_, i don't have any other than my custom |
| 10:48.17 | wols_ | tarzeau: for? |
| 10:48.25 | wols_ | rissy: then maybe install some? |
| 10:48.40 | rissy | norbert_, every one i have used, which shows a preview of rounded corners, it turns out boxy on my machine |
| 10:48.41 | tarzeau | wols_: nethack |
| 10:48.49 | rissy | wols_, have tried, doesn't change anything |
| 10:48.59 | piti | hum, how can I know my version of debian (sarge etch sid ?) |
| 10:49.06 | rissy | well, changes what i don't need to be changed |
| 10:49.20 | wols_ | !tell piti about debian version |
| 10:49.25 | norbert_ | piti: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and run '# apt-get update' '# apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 10:49.48 | norbert_ | but I'll leave the profs to answer questions ;-) |
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| 10:54.34 | sinizzl | hehehehe |
| 10:54.41 | sinizzl | this debian thing sure is nice |
| 10:54.46 | sinizzl | could get used to it |
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| 10:57.20 | sinizzl | brb |
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| 11:06.50 | GiabboO | device-mapper target type not in kernel |
| 11:06.55 | GiabboO | "raid45" |
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| 11:08.59 | sinizzl | hi folks |
| 11:09.04 | mikes1 | hello |
| 11:09.47 | piti | should anybody tell me how to configure my graphic card (an ati radeon 9700 M on a laptop) to use 3D capabilities ? |
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| 11:10.26 | sinizzl | i managed to set up iptables on my nice routing machine that has 3 network devices, (iptables x 2). everything works like a dream so far, though i still have some (proably rather silly questions): how can i get my /root/iptables.sh skript started at boot time and define the ip adresses of eth0 & and eth2 ? |
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| 11:13.14 | wols_ | !rc.local |
| 11:13.14 | dpkg | initscript package versions after 2.86.ds1-1 have an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating systems. |
| 11:13.19 | wols_ | sinizzl: but you really should use ipmasq |
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| 11:14.01 | wols_ | and you "define the ip adresses" via /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:14.32 | sinizzl | wols_: what's the difference ? |
| 11:14.39 | sinizzl | and why should i be using ipmsq?` |
| 11:14.57 | wols_ | cause it's probably more secure and will be updated by debian not you |
| 11:14.58 | sinizzl | i only wanna have a simple gateway with some portforwarding stuff (for bittorrent and thigns as such) |
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| 11:15.23 | wols_ | and ipmasq gives you exactly that |
| 11:15.52 | stew | sinizzl: you should define your interfaces in /etc/network/interaces, and call your iptables script from an "up" or an "pre-up" line in that file: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 11:16.34 | sinizzl | stew: where can i find some information on howto edit this file ? |
| 11:16.55 | wols_ | man interfaces |
| 11:16.56 | fengor | man interfaces |
| 11:17.03 | stew | sinizzl: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 11:17.08 | sinizzl | allright :D |
| 11:17.25 | sinizzl | nicccce :D |
| 11:17.32 | sinizzl | thx u guys, u sure rock |
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| 11:18.14 | fengor | \m/ ;) |
| 11:18.17 | enouf | wols_: i have initscripts 2.86.ds1-14.1 .. isn't that newer than 2.86.ds1-1, or am i brainfarting again? |
| 11:18.46 | liable | fengor: is that a brown eye? |
| 11:19.07 | enouf | liable: ever hear of Dio? |
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| 11:19.16 | liable | nope |
| 11:19.27 | enouf | ozzy? |
| 11:19.39 | liable | osbourne? |
| 11:19.43 | enouf | yep |
| 11:19.48 | liable | sure |
| 11:19.56 | enouf | you know may ozzy's? |
| 11:20.02 | enouf | er many* |
| 11:20.16 | liable | oh, that two finger thing, DEVIL WORSHIPPER!?!?! |
| 11:20.29 | stew | enouf: "dpkg --compare-versions 2.86.ds1-14.1 \> 2.86.ds1-1" says it is newer |
| 11:20.37 | liable | look like a browneye to me :P |
| 11:20.42 | wols_ | enouf: it is newer. higher numbers = newer :P |
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| 11:21.14 | enouf | stew: thanks .. i see no rc.local using dpkg -L initscripts |
| 11:21.37 | enouf | wols_: as i suspected :-p |
| 11:21.49 | stew | confmiss? |
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| 11:21.59 | enouf | no , not at all |
| 11:22.04 | sinizzl | brb |
| 11:22.35 | wols_ | enouf: dpkg -S on rc.local works for me |
| 11:22.52 | enouf | a grep rc --> /usr/share/initscripts/default.rcS, and /usr/share/man/man5/rcS.5.gz .. |
| 11:23.02 | enouf | wols_: i'll check it |
| 11:23.04 | stew | !find /etc/init.d/rc.local stable |
| 11:23.20 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/init.d/rc.local' returned no results. |
| 11:23.29 | stew | wierd, i have it on stable |
| 11:23.35 | enouf | dlocate rc.local == nada |
| 11:23.36 | liable | it wasnt in sarge |
| 11:23.40 | wols_ | enouf: I don't run stable tho |
| 11:23.49 | liable | tis in etch though |
| 11:23.50 | enouf | wols_: i'm on lenny/sid |
| 11:24.00 | wols_ | stew: pdo shows it: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=rc.local&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 11:24.07 | wols_ | enouf: I am on sid |
| 11:24.14 | wols_ | initscripts 2.86.ds1-38 |
| 11:24.15 | cydork | !find init.d/rc.local etch |
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| 11:24.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'init.d/rc.local' (1): (/etc/init.d/rc.local) in admin/initscripts. |
| 11:24.53 | enouf | dpkg -S rc.local |
| 11:24.54 | enouf | dpkg: rc.local not found. |
| 11:24.54 | dpkg | There is no record of a rc.local package |
| 11:25.10 | liable | interestingly, my search doesnt show it either, but i have the file.. |
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| 11:25.19 | cydork | enouf: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 11:25.20 | enouf | wols_: well maybe we need to modify the factoid to a better version is all |
| 11:26.08 | enouf | cydork: dlocate should've found it, but i'll do that too |
| 11:26.08 | liable | its not in init.d |
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| 11:26.08 | liable | well, not on my box |
| 11:26.08 | cydork | enouf: strange.. i have it.. dpkg can find it.. |
| 11:26.18 | liable | erm, it is.. |
| 11:26.30 | enouf | dpkg -S /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 11:26.30 | enouf | dpkg: /etc/init.d/rc.local not found |
| 11:26.30 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/init.d/rc.local is installed! |
| 11:26.40 | stew | enouf: confmiss |
| 11:26.48 | enouf | hah .. i <3 you too dpkg |
| 11:26.55 | enouf | stew: you mean run it? |
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| 11:27.01 | stew | enouf: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 11:27.05 | enouf | ok |
| 11:27.30 | enouf | stew: i thought you were asking me if i installed it that way earlier |
| 11:28.03 | liable | it must create the /etc/rc.local file during install or something |
| 11:28.22 | stew | liable: if that were the case, dpkg -S wouldn't know about it |
| 11:28.36 | stew | (and pdo wouldn't list it) |
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| 11:28.55 | liable | stew: it doesnt know about it on my box |
| 11:29.03 | liable | stew: but it does about the init.d file |
| 11:29.12 | cydork | stew: /etc/init.d/rc.local is in the package. but /etc/rc.local is not |
| 11:29.13 | stew | liable: what version? |
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| 11:29.22 | stew | what is /etc/rc.local? |
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| 11:29.39 | liable | 2.86-dsl-38 |
| 11:30.06 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - ive just written an init script for a java app, but its still outputting to stdout - the exec line ends with: 2> /var/log/red5/`date +%Y_%m_%d-%H%M` & |
| 11:30.08 | hark | rc.local? it does here |
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| 11:30.18 | Super_Cat_Frog | any ideas anybody@ |
| 11:30.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | *? |
| 11:30.37 | liable | stew: its the file to add the bits. i never put it there so i presume the script did.. |
| 11:31.03 | GuHHH | someone called me? |
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| 11:31.48 | stew | why on earth do we have both? |
| 11:31.52 | hark | but have an /etc/rc.local too |
| 11:32.10 | liable | i presume the init script reads the config one |
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| 11:32.33 | stew | oh, i see |
| 11:32.36 | stew | yeah |
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| 11:32.43 | mikes1 | Go Lenny |
| 11:32.46 | hark | yes |
| 11:32.46 | mikes1 | nice |
| 11:32.57 | liable | yeah, it does |
| 11:33.17 | hark | Short-Description: Run /etc/rc.local if it exist |
| 11:33.17 | stew | so you edit /etc/rc.local, and leave /etc/init.d/rc.local so you'll get changes to /etc/init.d/rc.local if a new package wants to upgrade it |
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| 11:33.28 | liable | yup |
| 11:33.42 | liable | and /etc/rc.local isnt found by dpkg |
| 11:33.53 | liable | thus must be generated at install |
| 11:33.56 | liable | thus |
| 11:33.58 | per | Hey i am trying to compile the very first sample of the GTK tutorial after installing gtk through my package manager, i do, however, get an error saying: |
| 11:34.04 | liable | i win! |
| 11:34.10 | liable | :) |
| 11:34.16 | streuner | !win liable |
| 11:34.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the US presidency! |
| 11:34.21 | streuner | oh no :-) |
| 11:34.24 | mikes1 | lol |
| 11:34.24 | per | usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `g_type_register_static_simple' |
| 11:34.30 | stew | creating /etc/rc.local is the last thing the .postinst does |
| 11:34.33 | liable | THERE GIVING THOSE OUT LIKE HOTCACKS THESE DAYS :p |
| 11:34.37 | liable | OOPS |
| 11:34.43 | per | I think it might be becuase of GTK looking in debians Glib files or something |
| 11:34.44 | liable | silly caps lock |
| 11:34.51 | per | Becuase i didnt have this problem when running Ubuntu |
| 11:34.53 | xand | "they're" |
| 11:35.13 | mikes1 | they are ,,,even |
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| 11:35.14 | hark | xand: and hotcacks? |
| 11:35.20 | liable | the more you do that, the more i make mt grammar worser |
| 11:35.29 | mikes1 | hotcracks hehe |
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| 11:36.21 | mikes1 | i woz top ov mi classs at speeling |
| 11:36.35 | stew | mikes1: english only in here |
| 11:36.43 | mikes1 | ok bro |
| 11:36.54 | per | everything does, however, seem to be in order when i look at the definition of the gtk2+-2.0 library definition in pkg-config |
| 11:37.02 | per | Anyone heard about this problem before ? |
| 11:37.14 | mikes1 | stew: like as in 'family guy? |
| 11:37.20 | per | gtk+-2.0* |
| 11:38.27 | stew | as in, i'm made of big chunks of meat and potatoes |
| 11:38.39 | stew | per: what are you compiling? |
| 11:38.39 | mikes1 | goodnight command line junkies,nerds and the homeless |
| 11:38.57 | per | stew: the first example in the gtk tutorial on gtk.org |
| 11:38.57 | mikes1 | (*_*) |
| 11:39.18 | per | gcc base.c `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0` |
| 11:40.18 | enouf | if [ -x /etc/rc.local ]; then .. /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local and /etc/rc?.d/S99rc.local exists <--that's from a RC1 etch install (on my other HDD), my main install/custom/whacko/upgraded jobby doesn't, so maybe I'll keep it that way ;-) |
| 11:40.28 | MaikBeckmann | per, do a >>ls |xargs grep g_type_register_static_simple<< at /usr/lib to find the libraries which contains this symbol |
| 11:41.22 | enouf | locate rc.local finds it (not dlocate), and as noted, because the post.inst script creayes , uses it |
| 11:41.36 | enouf | s/creayes/creates |
| 11:41.54 | hark | enouf: fascinating |
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| 11:43.42 | per | MaikBeckmann: http://rafb.net/p/5zG6NU84.html what can i use this result for? |
| 11:43.44 | enouf | hark: nope, it's absotively fantabulous ;-) .. but i wonder if there's a way to just locate/compare which files are "created" as such .. |
| 11:43.56 | per | Should i be able to find the definiotion of it with that as well ? |
| 11:44.09 | rpc | what is wrong if system doesn't reboot after shutdown -r 0 now ? it just ignores my command even though it replies in the usual way |
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| 11:44.31 | azeem | rpc: did you check the logs? |
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| 11:44.39 | rpc | azeem checking |
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| 11:44.43 | azeem | further, what do you mean with "replies in the usual way" |
| 11:44.57 | per | libgobject-2.0 is the thing where it is defined i would guess |
| 11:45.02 | per | and it's there |
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| 11:45.10 | rpc | Apr 26 13:41:12 mindstorm init: Switching to runlevel: 6 |
| 11:45.11 | rpc | Apr 26 13:42:58 mindstorm shutdown[19852]: shutting down for system reboot |
| 11:45.12 | rpc | and nothing |
| 11:45.13 | enouf | rpc: i think maybe you should use telinit 0, or just shutdown -r now |
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| 11:45.31 | noname13 | hi all! Today I had a problem with desktop environment after last upgrade with the etchy release. Gdm starts, but after login desktop doesn't appear, can anyone help me please?? |
| 11:45.42 | stew | per: see if it builds with gcc3 instead of gcc4 |
| 11:45.56 | azeem | noname13: what desktop do you use? |
| 11:46.00 | noname13 | gnome |
| 11:46.15 | rpc | enouf shutdown -r 0 now always worked fine, same as reboot command |
| 11:46.15 | rpc | there must be a reason so it doesn't work anymore |
| 11:46.16 | rpc | all that has changed is the dist-upgrade lately and kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 11:46.24 | hark | noname13: does it hang on the splash? |
| 11:46.28 | enouf | rpc: not sure shutdown takes those runlevel commands .. lessee .. but are you running Debian, or a *buntu version of some sort? |
| 11:46.46 | rpc | of course NO ubuntu |
| 11:46.48 | azeem | noname13: also, does it return to gdm? |
| 11:46.48 | azeem | or just hang |
| 11:46.50 | rpc | etch |
| 11:46.59 | rpc | telinit 0 actually did something |
| 11:47.03 | enouf | rpc: then it's in the initscripts usually |
| 11:47.06 | liable | usually linked to acpi problems |
| 11:47.22 | noname13 | azeem: gdm starts correctly, but the problem is after the login, i think it deals with metacity |
| 11:47.22 | rpc | liable acpi probs? hm |
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| 11:47.39 | rpc | perhaps acpi handling has changed since i changed the kernel |
| 11:47.47 | enouf | right .. the ifupdown and stuff sometimes too .. yes acpi scripts as well |
| 11:48.01 | enouf | rpc: what's cat /proc/cmdline say?? |
| 11:48.13 | rpc | enouf i just did telinit 0 and i lost the console... |
| 11:48.19 | rpc | hope it was reboot and not shutdown? |
| 11:48.25 | noname13 | azeem: when i login i can see the mouse cursor, the background color, but not the wallpaper and icons, etc.. |
| 11:48.44 | enouf | rpc: with 2.6.18, i didn't need to use/add acpi=force anymore in my cmdline kerenel param |
| 11:48.59 | rpc | enouf no ping... what did the telinit 0 do to the box exactly? |
| 11:49.01 | streuner | Is nautilus installed? |
| 11:49.06 | enouf | rpc: er .. i forget, you're the one who uses it ;-) |
| 11:49.15 | rpc | enouf you must be kidding? |
| 11:49.17 | enouf | rpc: lessee .. |
| 11:49.17 | rpc | it was damn remote box |
| 11:49.38 | rpc | you adviced me telinit 0 and i followed that and now you tell me you don't know what that is? |
| 11:49.44 | liable | rpc: telinit 0 is halt |
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| 11:49.50 | rpc | liable ... |
| 11:49.55 | rpc | enouf i think i will kill you now |
| 11:49.55 | streuner | noname13: Is nautilus installed? |
| 11:50.02 | rpc | it's a colo box.. |
| 11:50.10 | rpc | it was meant to be 5 mins downtime |
| 11:50.12 | noname13 | streuner: yes |
| 11:50.16 | azeem | noname13: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 11:50.31 | per | stew: i get same error when compiling with gcc3.4 |
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| 11:50.35 | rpc | f... hell! |
| 11:50.38 | streuner | noname13: do you think its a X or a GNOME problem? |
| 11:50.44 | hark | noname13: saved the gnome-session or did any changes? |
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| 11:50.58 | MaikBeckmann | per, can compile your example without problems |
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| 11:51.00 | enouf | rpc: heh --> # Short-Description: Execute the halt command. |
| 11:51.14 | noname13 | streuner: you're right , maybe last upgrade created some problems with nautilus, now it seems to work |
| 11:51.20 | MaikBeckmann | maybe your pkgconfig is messed up |
| 11:51.22 | noname13 | thanks to all! |
| 11:51.23 | azeem | noname13: which versoin of Debian? |
| 11:51.28 | azeem | oh. |
| 11:51.29 | rpc | enouf what's so funny in that? |
| 11:51.37 | enouf | rpc: i said if using 0, you should be using telinit 0, and that's all i said .. my apologies, if you misunderstood |
| 11:51.44 | rpc | enouf can you imagine that you caused a disaster? i trusted you and tried that |
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| 11:51.54 | rpc | say nothing next time if you can't help |
| 11:51.57 | enouf | i'm not laughing .. more apologies |
| 11:52.04 | per | MaikBeckmann it might be, how could i fix this ? uninstalling GTK and reinstalling it again ? |
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| 11:52.15 | rpc | shutdown -r 0 != telinit 0 |
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| 11:52.55 | enouf | rpc: that command makes absolutely no sense |
| 11:53.07 | MaikBeckmann | Yust post your the output of >>g-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs<< |
| 11:53.11 | liable | it does |
| 11:53.18 | liable | 0 is same as now |
| 11:53.18 | azeem | enouf: eh? |
| 11:53.23 | MaikBeckmann | I will do a copy paste to my command line |
| 11:53.31 | enouf | bah .. ok .. i'll shaddup |
| 11:53.42 | gholm | hows this? The 32 bit Edgy sees my SATAII drive but the 64 bit doesn't. Neither Feistys even load. What gives? I have an ATI 690G chipset |
| 11:53.46 | MaikBeckmann | pkg-config ... |
| 11:53.50 | MaikBeckmann | arg |
| 11:53.52 | azeem | gholm: please ask #ubuntu |
| 11:53.53 | streuner | heh, that's pretty new to us :-/ |
| 11:54.03 | per | per@perst2:~$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs |
| 11:54.03 | per | -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lfontconfig -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXfixes -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lX11 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl - |
| 11:54.05 | enouf | IMO .. r == restart, and telinit 6 == restart |
| 11:54.06 | rpc | enouf just say nothing.. please. |
| 11:54.08 | gholm | azeem: why ? this is kubuntu. |
| 11:54.12 | per | per@perst2:~$ wow sry |
| 11:54.16 | enouf | get it? |
| 11:54.17 | rpc | it will cost me 15 euros to bring the box back to life |
| 11:54.19 | per | per@perst2:~$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs |
| 11:54.19 | per | -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lfontconfig -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXfixes -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lX11 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl - |
| 11:54.19 | streuner | gholm: /topic |
| 11:54.21 | rpc | thanks. |
| 11:54.23 | azeem | gholm: then ask #kubuntu |
| 11:54.26 | per | argh client fucking up |
| 11:54.30 | azeem | gholm: anyway, don't ask here, please |
| 11:54.33 | liable | rpc: i feel bad for you, but thats a good lesson learnt, even if it is the hard way, never do something you here on irc that you dont check first |
| 11:54.33 | per | damn you tinyirc |
| 11:54.37 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 11:54.41 | xand | per: stop pasting! |
| 11:54.48 | per | I know xand really sorry |
| 11:54.56 | rpc | liable i usually trust people here and this is the first time someone mislead me |
| 11:54.56 | MaikBeckmann | just the --libs output |
| 11:55.00 | gholm | azeem: eeks sorry, thought I was. bleedin teeny tabs sorry |
| 11:55.09 | azeem | np |
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| 11:55.20 | streuner | rpc: well |
| 11:55.20 | rpc | liable i thought he knew what he was saying but still my fault, i should verify first |
| 11:55.20 | liable | rpc: he didnt intentionally, people here still make mistakes |
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| 11:56.03 | per | http://refb.net/p/mPmPHM37.html |
| 11:56.12 | azeem | rpc: well, there are occasionally some relative newbies who try to be helpful and answer all kinds of questions - not talking about enouf now, just in general |
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| 11:56.31 | azeem | rpc: there's a set of people in here whose answers you can usually trust, though, as well |
| 11:56.56 | liable | heck, most regulars here would have given partially dodgy advice more than once |
| 11:56.57 | noname13 | azeem: i tryied reinstalling nautilus, but the problem still exists, no desktop anymore |
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| 11:57.24 | MaikBeckmann | per, my browser reports an error if i click the url you posted |
| 11:57.27 | MaikBeckmann | however |
| 11:57.36 | azeem | noname13: then check ~/.xsession-errors, as I advised |
| 11:57.48 | Trevlig | Where can i find info on latest stable supported kernel for 686? |
| 11:57.51 | streuner | azeem: no, to my experiences we can solve 99 % of all questions just fine. |
| 11:58.12 | streuner | if someone don't know, another one help then... |
| 11:58.13 | azeem | streuner: "we" being everybody in here? |
| 11:58.24 | per | http://rafb.net/p/mPmPHM37.html |
| 11:58.29 | Maulkin | Fight! Fight! |
| 11:58.41 | azeem | streuner: the point isn't "don't know", the point is giving false advise because they think they know |
| 11:58.42 | MaikBeckmann | aah |
| 11:58.49 | azeem | anyway, meta-discussion |
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| 11:59.25 | streuner | azeem: i know 'enouf' a long time, 99 % are just fine |
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| 11:59.32 | streuner | of all his answers |
| 11:59.35 | xand | hi ferret! |
| 11:59.37 | liable | of course |
| 11:59.38 | MaikBeckmann | /usr/local/lib .... |
| 11:59.42 | MaikBeckmann | hm |
| 11:59.43 | MaikBeckmann | odd |
| 11:59.49 | enouf | my apologies once again if i caused any harm with bad advice .. |
| 12:00.07 | streuner | there is no reason for |
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| 12:00.09 | liable | enouf: dont sweat it |
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| 12:00.27 | Noboru | Good evening,folks. |
| 12:00.43 | rpc | enouf it's ok.. i should verify what you adviced me.. good lesson. |
| 12:00.48 | hark | enouf: not your fault |
| 12:00.56 | ferret | xand: 'lo o.o |
| 12:01.02 | per | MaikBeckmann: Seen something odd ? |
| 12:01.08 | rpc | hark yes, i just shouldn't ask for help on irc and spend a day digging tru logs instead. |
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| 12:01.34 | Trevlig | Q= Whats the latest stable kernel one should use for Etch (686) ??? |
| 12:01.35 | rpc | message to support sent.. waiting for the box now |
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| 12:01.49 | wols_ | Trevlig: the one that comes with etch. 2.6.17 |
| 12:01.49 | rpc | Trevlig 2.6.18-5 |
| 12:01.52 | wols_ | 2.6.18 even |
| 12:01.52 | rpc | err -4 |
| 12:02.03 | liable | rpc: if you were trying to fix the halting problem, werent you gonna shut it down anyway to check? |
| 12:02.21 | rpc | liable i was only trying to REBOOT the machine |
| 12:02.32 | Trevlig | ok, thanks. Dont see it through my apt source, gonna update sources... thanks |
| 12:02.46 | rpc | it didn't respond to reboot nor shutdown -r 0 so i followed an advice to telinit 0... thus halted it completely.. |
| 12:02.52 | MaikBeckmann | per, gcc base.c `pkg-config gtk+2.0 --cflags` <you stuff except -L/usr/local/lib> compiles fine |
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| 12:02.57 | noname13 | azeem: /etc/gdm/Presession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp an utmp running /usr/bin/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp..... /etc/gdm/Xsession : Beginning session setup |
| 12:02.59 | liable | rpc:ya, but isnt the problem that it hangs on halt? |
| 12:03.02 | enouf | and it certainly was not intentional, and i'll take care to not chime in so much .. i must have mistaken the 0 option in the shutdown command, as referring to a runlevel number, and i've used those commands quite a bit, but there's always more to learn about utils/tools.. not to mention the whole Debian system |
| 12:03.02 | Octopssy | Any LVM user around? |
| 12:03.13 | per | liable: the halting problem is undecidable (j/k, and a bad one i know :P ) |
| 12:03.19 | liable | rpc: oh, it completely ignored halt and shutdown commands? |
| 12:03.33 | rpc | liable it halts very well as we can see... it's in fact halted now, just won't reboot for some crazy reason i was trying to understand |
| 12:03.35 | FJ_Sanchez | One question |
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| 12:03.45 | MaikBeckmann | you should reinstall your gtk und glib development packages |
| 12:03.46 | rpc | liable it did respond to reboot command in the usual way, just did nothing |
| 12:03.48 | FJ_Sanchez | What should I do to get hostname from dhcp? |
| 12:03.52 | liable | rpc: right |
| 12:03.58 | rpc | wondering why |
| 12:04.00 | FJ_Sanchez | I've required host-name in dhclient.conf |
| 12:04.11 | FJ_Sanchez | And dhcp server is offering it |
| 12:04.15 | rpc | liable just a funky problem with etch or something serious |
| 12:04.27 | per | MaikBeckmann: i will do that |
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| 12:04.29 | FJ_Sanchez | But /etc/hostname doesn't get changed |
| 12:04.56 | MaikBeckmann | And make sure your -dev und runtime packages are at the same version |
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| 12:05.22 | Octopssy | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.28 | Octopssy | whats ment with MD array? |
| 12:05.43 | liable | rpc: not quite what i was thinking anyway, i would imagine those problems would be in syslog |
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| 12:05.57 | liable | rpc: check acpid.log to though for shits and giggles |
| 12:05.59 | rpc | liable syslog seems fine: |
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| 12:06.12 | noname13 | azeem: if i try to start nautilus from the shell it tells me : cannot open display |
| 12:06.22 | rpc | liable it said it was switching the runlevel etc. as usual |
| 12:06.30 | wols_ | Octopssy: software raid |
| 12:06.36 | rpc | i will check acpid log when it's up |
| 12:06.44 | streuner | noname13: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 12:07.09 | hark | HEADLINES: enouf causes a million dollar loss when he indirectly causes the shutdown of a mission critical box. irc support devastated |
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| 12:07.44 | streuner | and his salary is too low :-/ |
| 12:07.50 | noname13 | streuner: ii libc6 2.5-4 |
| 12:07.55 | streuner | oh sid |
| 12:08.03 | streuner | noname13: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:08.24 | FJ_Sanchez | Is the hostname always the same? I need it get changed for the one that dchp server is offering for each machine |
| 12:08.26 | liable | noname13: are you trying to start it as root from the shell? |
| 12:08.27 | FJ_Sanchez | how can I do it? |
| 12:08.30 | streuner | and why are you running unstable if you unable to solve a simple GNOME problem? |
| 12:08.44 | liable | lol, simple gnome problems.. |
| 12:08.50 | wols_ | streuner: it's an X problem |
| 12:09.01 | streuner | ok, s/X/GNOME/ |
| 12:09.04 | streuner | ;-) |
| 12:09.06 | wols_ | streuner: and why do you ask rhetorical questions. You already know the answer |
| 12:09.06 | noname13 | liable: even from root and from normal user, |
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| 12:09.21 | liable | noname13: dont even bother trying for root |
| 12:09.29 | streuner | wols_: rhetoric questions are better vs. insults ;-) |
| 12:09.46 | wols_ | streuner: the latter are more satisfying however! |
| 12:09.53 | liable | heh |
| 12:09.58 | wols_ | and best is if you make it not sound like an insult :) |
| 12:10.32 | noname13 | liable: it doesn't work from root |
| 12:10.49 | hound | Can someone tell me how I tell how the debian setup encrypted my drive? Did it encrypt a logical partition in the LVM volume it setup, or did it encrypt the volume itself somehow and everything inside it. |
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| 12:10.58 | liable | noname13: i just said, done bother even trying, as it wont, even if it was working properly |
| 12:11.08 | liable | if that makes sense.. |
| 12:11.18 | liable | which it prolly only does to me. |
| 12:11.26 | streuner | noname13: just re-install etch |
| 12:11.52 | wols_ | liable: if you really try to understand, not even you can make sense of it |
| 12:11.55 | hark | noname13: what about other apps? like gedit or something? |
| 12:12.23 | wols_ | hark: when DISPLAY + mit-magic-cookie are not set properly, none will work |
| 12:12.57 | noname13 | hark: no, nothing seems to start under X |
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| 12:13.12 | liable | not as root! |
| 12:13.28 | liable | unless you logged in as root and started x |
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| 12:14.05 | noname13 | liable: i'm not root |
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| 12:14.56 | streuner | sure |
| 12:14.59 | wols_ | what does env |grep -i DISPLAY say? |
| 12:15.02 | aldin | whats the difference between vmware server and vmware workstation? |
| 12:15.12 | wols_ | aldin: ask vmware |
| 12:15.38 | aldin | wols_: where on irc or mail? |
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| 12:15.45 | enouf | hound: perhaps "file /dev/xxxx" can show you some info about each device/partition, but also there's likely tools that come with pkgs, that are meant specifically for such things .. |
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| 12:15.56 | wols_ | aldin: I don't care. all I care about is: it's not debian but closed source software |
| 12:16.08 | liable | what program do you run with gnome with startx? |
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| 12:16.32 | aldin | wols_: but i want to run it on debian? |
| 12:16.49 | iturk | hi there friends i am trying to add some eps pictures to open office writer documents but i can only see some text on them instead of the real picture.Is this a Bug of ooo or eps images should not be used in ooo files ? |
| 12:16.50 | aldin | wols_: so i want to know what to download? |
| 12:16.50 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | it has been said that vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 12:16.55 | hark | aldin: yeah, not supported here. #vmware |
| 12:16.56 | wols_ | see that? |
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| 12:17.18 | enouf | hound: also, see the man pages and /usr/share/doc/<utility-name>/README, or others found in it's directory |
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| 12:17.25 | liable | noname13: kill gdm, and try 'startx gnome-session' (as user |
| 12:17.28 | liable | ) |
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| 12:18.23 | enouf | aldin: ask in ##linux perhaps, for much broader use of tools like vmware |
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| 12:18.44 | liable | !factinfo vmware |
| 12:18.44 | dpkg | vmware -- last modified at Mon Oct 16 04:31:35 2006 by Guerin!n=lewis@65.99.196.149; it has been requested 42 times, last by wols_, 1m 54s ago. |
| 12:18.55 | hound | enouf, well... my dillema is figuring out how the debian setup program did it. Reading through the config files I think it MUST encrypt the lvm volume group somehow. I don't really know how it knows to do that though. Through luks I assume, but it's happening all very magically |
| 12:19.11 | hound | which is good! except I was thinking of undoing it... not sure if that's possible |
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| 12:19.15 | GiabboO | hi |
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| 12:19.47 | enouf | hound: we all like automagic.. don't we? ;-) .. I personally don't know the answer, but i'm suyre the relevant docs can tell you |
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| 12:20.42 | noname13 | liable: ref count is 2, should be 1; fixing |
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| 12:21.39 | liable | noname13: that shouldnt be fatal |
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| 12:21.58 | overclocker | i've problems authenticating against an ldap with apache2.2, the limits and limitexcept don't work, ideas? |
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| 12:22.27 | ronr | hi, my debian machine (stable, did apt-get upgrade an hour ago) is using up huge amounts of cpu for xorg (constant load 1.5+, its a amd sempron 2600+ with 1GB ram running KDE), any ideas where I can start looking (I guess my computer should be fast enough, I don't run much more than kde, some kde apps, a firefox and apache) |
| 12:22.29 | noname13 | liable: anyway it crashes |
| 12:23.15 | streuner | noname13: just re-install etch |
| 12:23.32 | noname13 | streuner: i think i'll do.. |
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| 12:24.32 | noname13 | liable : (and streuner)thanks to all for the help.. and scuse me for my bad english :) |
| 12:24.37 | streuner | ronr: run 'top' and see what uses the most performance |
| 12:25.11 | liable | noname13: no problem, good luck, etch is a good idea if you are still learning |
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| 12:25.54 | ronr | streuner: xorg is usually at the top with 80 - 90% cpu |
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| 12:26.17 | ronr | (and about 4% mem usage) |
| 12:26.21 | streuner | ronr: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:26.23 | iturk | hey eps files in oo any one had problems ? i cannot see the images on the documents just junk text !! |
| 12:27.02 | ronr | that I got libc6 version 2.5-2 |
| 12:27.13 | JosefAssad | Can't open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory. <--- Could this be making my videos choppy? |
| 12:27.47 | streuner | ronr: welcome to unstable |
| 12:27.50 | SlayerXP | JosefAssad: short answer: no. |
| 12:27.56 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: oi! |
| 12:28.18 | JosefAssad | SlayerXP: okay, I will find other trees to bark up |
| 12:28.25 | ronr | streuner: ah, this computer used to be unstable, apt is now pointing to stable |
| 12:28.41 | ronr | streuner: apt-get has no downgrade options rights? |
| 12:28.50 | wols_ | ronr: right |
| 12:28.50 | streuner | you're running now unstable, no matter where the sources.list points to |
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| 12:28.54 | streuner | no |
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| 12:29.11 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 12:29.11 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 12:29.22 | giupy | wich params to chmod for make a folder in my home writable by a samba user ? |
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| 12:29.31 | ronr | streuner: hadn't upgraded for months, so kinda hoped most of unstable back than had made it to the recently released stable |
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| 12:29.44 | SlayerXP | giupy: "man chmod" |
| 12:30.06 | streuner | hm |
| 12:30.07 | stew | ronr: the libc6 you have has only been in unstable for a week or so |
| 12:30.08 | ronr | and slow xorg with unstable libc6 is a known issue? |
| 12:30.10 | enouf | ronr: it would've made it to lenny, not stable (etch), especially since etch was frozen in Dec 2006ish |
| 12:30.13 | liable | giupy: dont you have do do that in samba conf? |
| 12:30.19 | wols_ | !tell giupy about permissions |
| 12:30.20 | stew | ronr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:30.28 | streuner | ronr: only ubuntu had newer libc6... |
| 12:30.40 | streuner | some weeks ago... |
| 12:30.51 | ronr | stew: ok, prob someone else updated this machine (that's possible, but they usually don't upgrade) |
| 12:30.53 | giupy | liable: i have all configured in smb.conf, but folder is under my home and samba user can't read file or write |
| 12:31.06 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! how ca I do a custom debian lightweight cd , just with packages that I need ? |
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| 12:31.13 | MaikBeckmann | ronr, I running unstalbe with libc-2.5 and xorg with the nv-driver without problems |
| 12:31.25 | liable | giupy: i would be looking at samba as the fault if they cant even read |
| 12:31.41 | enouf | CaspeR-Bz: /msg dpkg custom cd and see grml.org perhaps |
| 12:31.44 | streuner | MaikBeckmann: there should be a problem with 'nvidia'... |
| 12:31.56 | streuner | not with 'nv' |
| 12:32.12 | MaikBeckmann | Since libc-2.5 was set to uninstallable due to the etch development .... |
| 12:32.16 | giupy | liable: samba user can read shared folder but ca'nt open files |
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| 12:32.35 | liable | giupy: /home is usually 644 by default |
| 12:32.39 | CaspeR-Bz | enouf: thanks |
| 12:32.48 | ronr | i'm running the via driver |
| 12:32.59 | MaikBeckmann | nvidia-glx is uninstallable at the moment |
| 12:33.06 | iveqy | hi. I'm having problems with the installation of debian etch netinst. apt-get can't verify the packages so the whole installation freezes.. |
| 12:33.14 | streuner | CaspeR-Bz: grml has some mini-CD, about 50 MB |
| 12:33.27 | liable | giupy: anyway, i absolutely hated setting up samba when i tried it, but i didnt have to alter perms to read files from a win box |
| 12:33.43 | stew | iveqy: sounds like you have a very old netinst (like an RC1): /msg dpkg 5% error |
| 12:34.03 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there a scheduler that can run things more frequently than a minute? cause I need to check a db table more often than cron allows. |
| 12:34.09 | giupy | liable: other user is debian |
| 12:34.09 | iveqy | stew: that's probably true. So the solution is to burn a new version? |
| 12:34.16 | enouf | CaspeR-Bz: other options, i suppose include preseeding, or also useful might be info from "/msg dpkg reinstall", and "/msg dpkg selections" |
| 12:34.36 | iveqy | stew: oh, thanks :D |
| 12:34.42 | liable | giupy: ok, i have about exhausted my samba knowledge ;) |
| 12:34.57 | giupy | :) |
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| 12:35.43 | ronr | thanks guys, at least now I know what the problem is (and I can try to figure out a solution) |
| 12:36.14 | liable | what technical new sites do you guys read? |
| 12:36.17 | giupy | chmod 751 myfileGives user full access, group read and execute permission, and other, execute permission. |
| 12:36.22 | giupy | that from dpkg guide |
| 12:36.47 | giupy | well 764 seems to be better |
| 12:36.52 | giupy | i need write access |
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| 12:38.09 | giupy | must i be root for changing oermission of a folder created by my user ? |
| 12:38.13 | giupy | permission |
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| 12:38.56 | stew | giupy: the owner of the file or root can change permissions |
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| 12:39.36 | stew | giupy: 764 means that the group can edit, but can't execute it, which is odd |
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| 12:41.15 | liable | for file or dir? |
| 12:41.16 | stew | for anything |
| 12:41.16 | venkatesh | hi, someone please tell me the package name for emacs' info pages. Now, if I do 'info emacs', I get emacs FAQ info pages. I use etch 40r0 |
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| 12:41.22 | giupy | well, i explain my problem: i have created a folder in my home dir with my user, i mount an hd on that folder. in that hd i have created 3 folders that i want to made full writable and executable by a samba user |
| 12:41.53 | stew | venkatesh: the emacs docs were moved to non-free |
| 12:41.53 | stew | venkatesh: (/msg dpkg non-free) |
| 12:41.53 | HymnToLife | venkatesh, there is none |
| 12:41.56 | HymnToLife | oh, in non-free maybe :p |
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| 12:42.20 | venkatesh | Ok, I will lookup |
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| 12:43.14 | obsethryl | are there any special repositories for haskell - related work (especially ghc) for debian stable (etch) ? |
| 12:43.18 | stew | venkatesh: emacs21-common-non-dfsg |
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| 12:46.53 | giupy | with chmod -R 0755 i'll return to the default permission ? |
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| 12:47.21 | venkatesh | Yes, just found it, thanks :) |
| 12:47.31 | braindead | back again, just another simple question, how to I download the udev.deb package without installing it? as it is already installed on my system it seems like I can't download just the package from apt :( |
| 12:48.00 | zamuro | !tell braindead about packages |
| 12:48.15 | rpc | does anyone know how to run vmware-server based VM in console without using vmware's remote console? |
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| 12:48.30 | braindead | i want a hold of just the package.. cos im gonna remove udev and see what happens. and it's not in /var/cache/apt/archives as I've emptied it |
| 12:48.33 | braindead | :) |
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| 12:49.02 | zamuro | Try downloading it from packages.debian.org |
| 12:49.35 | liber | What needs to be installed to get vim syntax highlighting? When I run :syntax on, i get a "not avalible in this version"-error. Packages vim-common and vim-runtime is installed |
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| 12:50.06 | zeeble | phew. whatever happened... abunch of upgrades in unstable.. |
| 12:50.35 | liber | vim-tiny is also installed... |
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| 12:52.26 | nyty | hi |
| 12:52.29 | liber | I don't have X, and packages like vim-ruby depends on stuff like that. vim-tiny is supposed to have syntax-highlighting, but it doesnt |
| 12:52.30 | iveqy | how do I add the latest key to apitude? |
| 12:52.32 | nyty | i have problem with new nvidia drivers |
| 12:52.37 | nyty | in repository |
| 12:52.43 | nyty | there are not new nvidia kernel |
| 12:52.47 | nyty | there is not.. |
| 12:53.02 | nyty | 1.97755 |
| 12:53.12 | nyty | i cant install new drivers |
| 12:53.15 | nyty | and i`m in console |
| 12:53.18 | MaikBeckmann | yepp |
| 12:53.28 | braindead | thanks zamuro, just the link I was looking for :-) |
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| 12:53.36 | nyty | wtf with it ? |
| 12:54.04 | MaikBeckmann | nyty, you have to wait until the new nvidia-kernels are uploaded |
| 12:54.17 | nyty | :-) |
| 12:54.19 | nyty | in console ?:D |
| 12:54.23 | nyty | super |
| 12:54.36 | nyty | can i compile it manually ? |
| 12:54.44 | nyty | i need X |
| 12:54.46 | Nosferatu | How can I list the packages installed on my system in the order of drive capacity they're consuming? |
| 12:54.48 | azeem | use module-assisstant |
| 12:54.53 | MaikBeckmann | youre nv at xorg.conf |
| 12:55.04 | nyty | hmm |
| 12:55.06 | nyty | yes |
| 12:55.09 | nyty | good idea |
| 12:55.14 | liable | is the nvidia problem the same as fglrx? |
| 12:55.55 | petemc | Nosferatu: dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
| 12:56.14 | Nosferatu | Nice, petemc. |
| 12:56.16 | Nosferatu | Thanks. :) |
| 12:56.22 | hark | nvidia worked for someone earlier in Sid |
| 12:56.43 | liable | hark: did yours break or not? |
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| 12:57.11 | hark | liable: i'm using the radeon driver :) |
| 12:57.19 | liable | bastard! |
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| 12:57.24 | nyty | shit |
| 12:57.26 | nyty | i dont want to wait :| |
| 12:57.28 | liable | wish my card worked with it |
| 12:57.34 | nyty | i need direct rendering :( |
| 12:57.45 | liable | !need |
| 12:57.45 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
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| 12:58.09 | liable | i love that last sentence :) |
| 12:58.23 | dusty-work | Does anyone here run linux on the laptop: HP Compaq NX6325 ? |
| 12:58.28 | setog3 | hi all .. I can't install a package : libopenscenegraph4 ... does someone have the same problem (debian sid) |
| 12:58.37 | fireba11 | liable : haha |
| 12:58.41 | liable | dusty-work: see linux-laptop.net |
| 12:58.42 | giupy | dusty-work: tuxmobil ? |
| 12:58.48 | MaikBeckmann | nyty: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 12:58.52 | enouf | liber: i don't know for sure, but vim-runtime: /usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/syntax.vim should be the file that does that |
| 12:58.56 | nyty | yes |
| 12:59.00 | nyty | but problem is in repository |
| 12:59.02 | dusty-work | giupy, tuxmobil? |
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| 12:59.06 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:59.07 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 12:59.07 | liable | .org |
| 12:59.09 | dusty-work | liable, Thanks i'll check it out. |
| 12:59.13 | dusty-work | I just have issues with wlan. |
| 12:59.30 | liable | !laptop |
| 12:59.30 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 12:59.37 | enouf | liber: in the "vim-runtime" pkg, also man vim perhaps |
| 13:00.58 | hark | yeah, vim-runtime works for that |
| 13:01.03 | enouf | dusty-work: search the BTS also if you have issues, i've seen HP models n?XXXX (laptops) mentioned, concerning acpi, and other things |
| 13:01.24 | liber | enouf: aight. Ill try to convince the owner of the system to install it. |
| 13:01.47 | enouf | liber: i thought you said vim-runtime was already installed? |
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| 13:02.07 | nyty | hmm problem |
| 13:02.12 | liber | enouf: it is |
| 13:02.19 | MaikBeckmann | problem? |
| 13:02.38 | dusty-work | liable, its untested hardware on the linux-laptop.net site. |
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| 13:02.50 | dusty-work | enouf, BTS? |
| 13:02.51 | nyty | in repository are not linux-headers :-D |
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| 13:02.55 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 13:03.25 | MaikBeckmann | lenny or sid ? @ nyty |
| 13:03.31 | ribasushi | where do I get the corresponding keys to prevent apt-get source from complaining gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
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| 13:03.59 | MaikBeckmann | a few seconds ago I build the nvidia kernel modules |
| 13:04.14 | enouf | dusty-work: Bug Tracking System |
| 13:04.25 | enouf | dusty-work: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 13:04.47 | MaikBeckmann | <-- off for testing the nvidia kernel module |
| 13:04.49 | zamuro | !root |
| 13:04.49 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 13:05.58 | enouf | ribasushi: /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 13:06.25 | enouf | ribasushi: like it says in the /topic ;-) |
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| 13:08.51 | ribasushi | enouf: ok, this information both with <* key> gives me absolutely no answer to where to find the _source_ keys |
| 13:09.46 | stew | ribasushi: what do you mean by "source key"/ |
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| 13:11.22 | Nosferatu | oh, btw (i just scrolled up) nvidia-9755 works just fine in sid. |
| 13:11.36 | enouf | stew: they're using apt-get source <pkgname> |
| 13:11.48 | Nosferatu | i upgraded yesterday using m-a, and gamed with it some (for anyone else that "needs" it) |
| 13:11.58 | enouf | stew: not that i know if that makes any difference |
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| 13:12.52 | stew | enouf: its the same release file, so its the same key |
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| 13:13.49 | piti | i'd like to manage my ati graphic card, but everythingI done has failed. what is the best procedure ? |
| 13:14.07 | stew | piti: which radeon chipset? |
| 13:14.13 | enouf | stew: ahh .. thought so, since i have used apt-source in the past without issues |
| 13:14.19 | piti | 9700 mobility |
| 13:14.33 | enouf | er apt-get source |
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| 13:15.20 | stew | piti: and what exactly are you trying to do? how is it failing? which driver are you using? |
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| 13:15.59 | hark | piti: generally you don't have to do anything.. it's supported by the radeon driver, direct rendering and all |
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| 13:17.01 | Octopssy | How can I see the exact amount of bytes for a yet unmounted drive? |
| 13:17.06 | stew | hark: oh is the radeon manpage out of date again? |
| 13:17.21 | stew | Octopssy: fdisk -l |
| 13:17.26 | Octopssy | ok |
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| 13:18.06 | v0od0o | Ok, I need help with etch + dmraid |
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| 13:18.56 | v0od0o | i am trying to install debian 4.0 (etch) on a Intel HostRaid ESB2 |
| 13:18.57 | liable | why the sudden interest in dmraid lately? |
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| 13:19.10 | v0od0o | because this mobo run this integrated raid |
| 13:19.16 | v0od0o | :) |
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| 13:19.32 | piti | I've installed debian this morning, by the mini-cd (150MB) and over the internet. my gc is recognised but not direct rendering. I've read http://www.nuxo.net/tutorial-37.html (I'm french) but this didn't work, I had to edit xorg.conf by hand without x server. |
| 13:19.33 | v0od0o | i am thinking about to use mdadm instead of the mobo fakeraid |
| 13:19.41 | liable | v0od0o: that question wasnt directed directly at you, just me wondering out load :) |
| 13:19.42 | v0od0o | what do u suggest to do ? |
| 13:19.50 | v0od0o | liable :) |
| 13:19.51 | Octopssy | lvcreate -L400.0G -nmythlv mythvg Insufficient free extents (95387) in volume group mythvg: 102400 required |
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| 13:20.04 | Octopssy | what am I doing wrong? |
| 13:20.17 | v0od0o | I am getting this error I can see the raid metadata correctly, but when I try to activate (dmraid -ay) I get this error: ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel ... |
| 13:20.18 | solemnwarning | I've installed CUPS under etch, but whenever I enable SSL or auth cups crashes |
| 13:20.18 | v0od0o | www.mail-archive.com/utnubu-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org/msg00007.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages |
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| 13:20.35 | solemnwarning | It stops responding after first request, and needs to be killed |
| 13:20.35 | v0od0o | sorry for flood |
| 13:20.39 | ribasushi | stew, enouf: sorry had to step away |
| 13:20.45 | v0od0o | this is ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel |
| 13:20.46 | formorer | Octopssy: nothing, you just haven't enough extends left |
| 13:20.49 | ribasushi | I have no problem with apt-get |
| 13:21.03 | Octopssy | how should I get them formorer? |
| 13:21.08 | ribasushi | it is only apt-get source that gives me an error that key 4B2B2B9E is not found |
| 13:21.08 | v0od0o | anyone skilled with dmraid on new debian etch ? |
| 13:21.11 | formorer | more hard disks? |
| 13:21.11 | MaikBeckmann | so ... nvidia -- kernel 2.6.20-1-686 |
| 13:21.18 | MaikBeckmann | modprove nvidia |
| 13:21.21 | MaikBeckmann | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.20-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
| 13:21.27 | v0od0o | I setted up the array on the bios |
| 13:21.28 | Octopssy | what u mean? |
| 13:21.28 | ribasushi | I don't know almost anything about gpg, otherwise I would track it down |
| 13:21.32 | hark | stew: ah, it's there. same as the Radeon 9600 M10 IIRC |
| 13:21.39 | Octopssy | i got 4 hdd's with alot space in this system |
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| 13:22.08 | liable | v0od0o: even if you set up a raid in the bios, linux will still see it as jbod |
| 13:22.24 | formorer | Octopssy: but you don't have enough pe's left in your volumegroup |
| 13:22.28 | v0od0o | yes liable, the fact is that the dmraid give me that error |
| 13:22.38 | Octopssy | formorer: How can I create those? |
| 13:22.42 | formorer | Octopssy: see `vgdisplay` |
| 13:22.43 | v0od0o | I think is a bug on the package or something like that |
| 13:22.47 | formorer | Octopssy: more harddisks |
| 13:23.05 | liable | v0od0o: sorry never used dmraid |
| 13:23.07 | stew | ribasushi: /msg dpkg apt-key 4B2B2B9E |
| 13:23.08 | Octopssy | heh? |
| 13:23.10 | Octopssy | I don't get it |
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| 13:23.14 | v0od0o | liable, dmraid looks for raid45, kernel loads raid456 :) |
| 13:23.18 | Octopssy | I got about 1tb free space |
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| 13:23.32 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 13:23.39 | formorer | Octopssy: free space don't counts |
| 13:23.42 | enouf | ribasushi: if "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" doesn't fix it -- try gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 4B2B2B9E ; gpg --export 4B2B2B9E | sudo apt-key add - |
| 13:23.46 | Octopssy | What does? |
| 13:23.49 | karmatronic | ntfs-3g is not in etch ? |
| 13:23.52 | formorer | Octopssy: just how many unassigned blocks are in your volume group |
| 13:23.52 | ribasushi | stew++ |
| 13:23.56 | ribasushi | enouf+ :) |
| 13:23.57 | wintix | karmatronic: no. |
| 13:23.59 | enouf | ribasushi: run that command as user |
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| 13:24.05 | stew | hark: oh wait. sorry, i had filed a bug that the manpage is out of date (r300 still says 2D only) and i know it was fixed upstream, i thought the change had made it into debian, but i guess not yet |
| 13:24.08 | Octopssy | formorer: I'm trying to set up a LVM |
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| 13:24.24 | ribasushi | need to find time to read about this pgp/gpg business... |
| 13:24.41 | stew | ribasushi: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 13:24.45 | enouf | ribasushi: see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html |
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| 13:26.04 | stew | ribasushi: if you are more paranoid, and want a potentially safer way ; aptitude install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export 4B2B2B9E | apt-key add - ; (this lets you know that you are actually importing the key of a debian developer, not some random dude that signed some random archive with some random key) |
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| 13:26.27 | enouf | stew: think it's alright for me to add the URL i posted to apt secure factoid? |
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| 13:26.57 | stew | enouf: by all means. i'd put it first in face, since its authoritative |
| 13:27.00 | hark | stew: It's updated in Sid however (only the RS400 is shown as 2d only) |
| 13:27.10 | enouf | stew: ok |
| 13:27.23 | stew | hark: oh, i'm probably lagging behind, ignore me then |
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| 13:27.39 | stew | enouf: (^face^fact) |
| 13:28.10 | MaikBeckmann | Does anyone tried to build the nvidia kernel module running a 2.6.20 kernel ? |
| 13:28.23 | wols_ | MaikBeckmann: ask your real question |
| 13:28.29 | enouf | dpkg no, apt secure is See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 13:28.30 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 13:28.36 | MaikBeckmann | module assistent fails with: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 13:28.38 | v0od0o | what do you think about install linux raid 5 software instead of raid 5 offered by the mobo controller ? |
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| 13:29.01 | wols_ | v0od0o: use linx software raid |
| 13:29.07 | v0od0o | wols_, hi ;) |
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| 13:29.20 | v0od0o | I am GiabboO :p |
| 13:29.27 | v0od0o | we talked few times weeks ago |
| 13:29.30 | enouf | meant to do that in a /msg .. but goofed .. again :-p |
| 13:29.38 | wols_ | MaikBeckmann: do you need Xen support? |
| 13:29.40 | v0od0o | wols_, are u skilled with dmraid ? |
| 13:29.45 | h3sp4wn | MaikBeckmann: Are you using the -rt patches ? |
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| 13:29.46 | MaikBeckmann | no |
| 13:30.03 | mosty | i'm having trouble with samba, i can't create a new user. "smbpasswd -a newuser" complains that it failed to find entry for newuser |
| 13:30.09 | wols_ | v0od0o: no. but the drives for your fakeraid won't give you anything |
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| 13:30.26 | MaikBeckmann | I'm running linux-imaga-2.6.20-1-686 stock kernel |
| 13:30.37 | enouf | v0od0o: I noticed you made a devicemapper comment about not in kernel last nightish? .. IINM , that's correct, though LVM support is |
| 13:30.38 | MaikBeckmann | no custom patches |
| 13:31.30 | enouf | v0od0o: and i'm not skilled in anything .. so don't ask ;-). i just pay attention to some mailing lists |
| 13:31.31 | v0od0o | wols_, you mean about alert as mdadm do for degraded arrays ? |
| 13:31.44 | v0od0o | enouf, i did too, but seems there is a bug |
| 13:31.46 | enouf | er meaning me |
| 13:31.51 | maddash | "umount: /media/usb: device is busy" <---- is there any command I could use to find the offending process which is still using /media/usb? |
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| 13:31.58 | dezent | ssh atmidev |
| 13:32.00 | dezent | .. |
| 13:32.09 | v0od0o | ok, I will install debian etch with linux raid 5 software ;) |
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| 13:32.21 | ribasushi | hmm so GPG is like the reverse of SSL in a sense - encrypt with a public key, decrypt with a private key, while additionaly sign with a private key and verify with public |
| 13:32.28 | ribasushi | is this about right? |
| 13:32.35 | spacenerve | hi, my etch installation appears to be missing 'modprobe' ..... a /lib/modules ...... how do i get those? :) |
| 13:32.45 | v0od0o | what is the best choise to "secure" the mbr on a linux raid software ? |
| 13:33.24 | ribasushi | v0od0o: what do yo mean by secure? |
| 13:33.46 | ribasushi | v0od0o: the mbr can always be recreated without any data loss |
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| 13:34.00 | MaikBeckmann | if I build it manualy at /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel |
| 13:34.00 | MaikBeckmann | by ./debian/rules binary_modules, modprobe nvidia reports : FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.20-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
| 13:34.02 | ribasushi | v0od0o: as long as you know what it was in the first place |
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| 13:34.46 | enouf | v0od0o: maybe BIOS "write-protect boot sector" Enable , if avaialable , then a BIOS password + Grub key? grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub |
| 13:34.46 | stew | ribasushi: there is no real difference between public and private keys other than how you treat them, either could be used for encrypting sych that the other is needed for decrypting |
| 13:35.10 | MaikBeckmann | ahh, forget to tell that I am able to build the deb-packge by doing it without the module-assistant |
| 13:35.24 | v0od0o | I mean, suppose I write the lilo mbr on /dev/sda, and this disk fail |
| 13:35.26 | MaikBeckmann | funny |
| 13:35.32 | ribasushi | stew: so it is fully two-directional unlike SSL? |
| 13:35.47 | v0od0o | I recover the raid changing the damage drive, and I have a new /dev/sda without any data |
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| 13:36.14 | enouf | v0od0o: you can make a backup of MBR using dd if=/dev/sda of=/backup.mbr bs=512 count=1 |
| 13:36.16 | Bruno-NEAD | hi guy.. u need some help. how can i list processes and their filenames? |
| 13:36.20 | ribasushi | v0od0o: it is not automatic, you need to recreate partitions, label them as "raid autodetect" and let raid sync |
| 13:36.22 | v0od0o | enouf, I know :) |
| 13:36.28 | v0od0o | ok |
| 13:36.29 | enouf | v0od0o: though that also includes the MPT |
| 13:36.34 | v0od0o | i will use traditional methos |
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| 13:36.36 | v0od0o | methods |
| 13:36.43 | v0od0o | yes |
| 13:36.46 | ribasushi | v0od0o: the chances that you will be able to buy an _identical_ disk are minimal |
| 13:36.49 | spacenerve | ok installed module-init-tools and mod-utils, now i get this: |
| 13:36.50 | spacenerve | http://www.forestedge.co.za/ |
| 13:36.54 | v0od0o | only mbr should be bs=446 or something like this |
| 13:36.55 | spacenerve | d'oh ... pardon ....... |
| 13:37.00 | spacenerve | root@server:/var/www# modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 13:37.02 | spacenerve | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.16.37/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 13:37.04 | v0od0o | ok |
| 13:37.04 | ribasushi | v0od0o: so your mbr baclup does you no good |
| 13:37.09 | v0od0o | yea |
| 13:37.10 | enouf | v0od0o: you can backup partition table layout using sfdisk -d /dev/sda > filename, ehich can then be reimported using a < instead .. man sfdisk |
| 13:37.19 | v0od0o | I will back it up somewhere in the array |
| 13:37.24 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 13:37.26 | v0od0o | using dd ;) |
| 13:37.40 | stew | ribasushi: it uses the same mechanisms as ssl, in ssl theere is a private key and a public key. when you establish an ssl session, the first thing that happens is that you use the asymetric cryptography to exchange a symetric key (one that is used for both encrypting and decrypting), then you use that symetric key for all of the real traffic |
| 13:37.41 | Bruno-NEAD | guys i need to know how can i know executable filenames for running processes.. i need the ful path |
| 13:37.58 | spacenerve | ok so i need a proper kernel.... i'm still using the sarge kernel apparently ....... |
| 13:38.01 | abrotman | ps ef |
| 13:38.05 | enouf | v0od0o: 446 grabs the Volume_ID info if any , while 440 will not |
| 13:38.15 | Bruno-NEAD | thnx |
| 13:38.18 | v0od0o | ok |
| 13:38.21 | stew | Bruno-NEAD: that question was a little unclear, can you try to rephrase it? |
| 13:38.27 | stew | Bruno-NEAD: or be more specific? |
| 13:38.27 | v0od0o | ty enouf, next question |
| 13:38.41 | enouf | v0od0o: wikipedia can tell you the details about that, as well as other sources |
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| 13:38.50 | ribasushi | stew: I guess I need to read more, thanks though |
| 13:38.51 | v0od0o | if I use xfs i have tool to do xfs_growfs, isnt this the same of lvm ? |
| 13:39.01 | enouf | v0od0o: no idea ;-) |
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| 13:39.14 | v0od0o | I want to install debian on raid5, using xfs... without lvm2 |
| 13:39.31 | ribasushi | v0od0o: the growfs/resize resizes the _partition_ itself, while lvm resizes the _virtual_disk_ |
| 13:39.33 | stew | ribasushi: in the case of ssl, generally the public key is in a certificate which is basically your public key signed by someone elses private key, which lets the client verify if it really is your public key |
| 13:40.38 | stew | (provided they trust the "someone else" already) |
| 13:40.53 | ribasushi | v0od0o: s/_partition_/_filesystem_/ |
| 13:41.10 | v0od0o | ribasushi, what problem can I get using the xfs_growfs instead of lvm ? |
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| 13:44.54 | ribasushi | v0od0o: I said something stupid, reread it :) |
| 13:44.56 | v0od0o | lol |
| 13:44.56 | v0od0o | yes |
| 13:44.56 | v0od0o | ribasushi, the xfs_growfs, extend the filesystem to the available space |
| 13:44.57 | v0od0o | mmm |
| 13:44.57 | v0od0o | no I dont like this |
| 13:45.01 | ribasushi | v0od0o: precisely, first you grow the VG, then the FS on top of it (whatever it is, if it supports growing in the first place) |
| 13:45.02 | v0od0o | I will need to "touch" the partition table to do so |
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| 13:45.04 | v0od0o | so i will prefer a lvm2 |
| 13:45.04 | ribasushi | grrr s/VG/LV/ :) |
| 13:45.04 | v0od0o | loool |
| 13:45.04 | ribasushi | v0od0o: it's the same for lvm and lvm2 |
| 13:45.04 | v0od0o | I use lvm2 on other servers |
| 13:45.07 | v0od0o | i was thinking about to dont play with it, and play with xfs_growfs instead but ... |
| 13:45.10 | v0od0o | I think lvm2 will be the best |
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| 13:45.15 | ribasushi | v0od0o: you need to use both, each tool has a different purpose |
| 13:45.16 | v0od0o | now I need to figure out how to do lvm2 and raid5 software with mdadm |
| 13:45.17 | v0od0o | yes |
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| 13:45.18 | ribasushi | stew: I think I get it |
| 13:45.22 | v0od0o | but lvm2 will extend the logical volume size, then xfs_growfs will extend the fs to the maximum logical volume size |
| 13:45.22 | v0od0o | i like this :) |
| 13:45.23 | v0od0o | ok..... |
| 13:45.23 | v0od0o | now i need to skill myself to run mdadm in raid5 + lvm2 |
| 13:45.23 | liable | eek, not even i a galss or mug! |
| 13:45.23 | liable | doh |
| 13:45.24 | enouf | v0od0o: some info in general about growing a raid5 http://scotgate.org/?p=107 with mdadm |
| 13:45.24 | ribasushi | v0od0o: there is nothing special of making a PV on top of a regular disk or a raid partiton or a loopback device for that matter |
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| 13:45.40 | ribasushi | v0od0o: lvm does not care what you put it on |
| 13:45.40 | v0od0o | ty |
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| 13:46.15 | v0od0o | yes enouf, that is what i was thinking to do without lvm |
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| 13:47.03 | v0od0o | I want / on raid5 :p |
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| 13:47.21 | ribasushi | v0od0o: you don't |
| 13:47.28 | v0od0o | why ? |
| 13:47.38 | Octopssy | Which file contains all logs when u start up ?? |
| 13:47.41 | ribasushi | v0od0o: anything other than raid1 for / adds too much unnecessary complexity |
| 13:47.52 | v0od0o | Octopssy, /var/log/dmesg or message |
| 13:48.20 | enouf | v0od0o: read rootraiddoc.97.html found in the mdadm pkg, but I don;t think it's possible wih raid5 without a special something, if even possible |
| 13:48.23 | ribasushi | v0od0o: for starters if you have / on raid[^1] then you need to have a separate boot partition because grub does not understand raid |
| 13:48.25 | v0od0o | ribasushi, as you said, I used only raid1 to mount / |
| 13:48.45 | ribasushi | v0od0o: so now you need to figure out how to make /boot redundant, and so on and so forth |
| 13:48.56 | v0od0o | I had bad experiences with lilo on raid1 ... |
| 13:49.07 | v0od0o | thats why I write the lilo only in the first disk of the array |
| 13:49.08 | enouf | older lilo versions? |
| 13:49.14 | ribasushi | v0od0o: lilo is a bad experience by definition, use grub :) |
| 13:49.19 | v0od0o | lool ribasushi |
| 13:50.21 | enouf | newer versions accomodated (got past) the 1024 cylinder boundary issues, but there might still be some, nothings perfect :-) |
| 13:50.24 | MaikBeckmann | Ok, once angain: I want to build the nvidia kernel-module for my running 2.6.20-1-686 debian stock kernel. I used to do this following this doc >>http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html#Build manually, with a stock kernel<<. But if I load the module by >>$ modprobe nvidia<< it reports "FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.20-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format." Is this my fault or a known |
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| 13:50.58 | v0od0o | so grub will be the best you think |
| 13:51.07 | wols_ | MaikBeckmann: did you compile the kernel and the module with the same compiler? |
| 13:51.07 | v0od0o | I used lilo for years, is it time to change ? ^^ |
| 13:51.24 | ribasushi | v0od0o: I used raid1 for years with lilo as well, works fine, but grub is much much better |
| 13:51.27 | mosty | v0od0o: only if you have a problem with lilo |
| 13:51.57 | v0od0o | k, but I dont understand why don't do raid5 on / |
| 13:52.23 | ribasushi | v0od0o: because neither lilo, or grub understands raid5, so they can not see the kernel on it - how do they boot? |
| 13:52.27 | Kevin` | I have done raid5 on /.. was pretty easy even without an initrd |
| 13:52.30 | themill | mosty: interesting question that one... I was wondering about it myself too... is it time for something more "modern" just for the sake of it? |
| 13:52.34 | Kevin` | I had a seperate /boot |
| 13:52.35 | v0od0o | oh... |
| 13:52.36 | mosty | v0od0o: you can do raid5 on / just fine. just put /boot on a regular partition |
| 13:52.41 | liable | grub cant do /boot on lvm whereas lilo can, worth considering |
| 13:52.42 | MaikBeckmann | I didn't compile the kernel myself. I used "gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)" |
| 13:52.48 | ribasushi | v0od0o: you need a separate /boot, which in turn must be redundant, so you are back to raid1 |
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| 13:52.56 | Octopssy | Do I need to format all my hdd's when setting up a LVM?? |
| 13:52.58 | MaikBeckmann | for the module |
| 13:53.01 | v0od0o | Kevin`, so you mount /boot separately ? |
| 13:53.11 | mosty | themill: i don't care either way. it's only on my screen for a second |
| 13:53.32 | Kevin` | v0od0o yes. it has its own hard drive in my case which is shared with windows |
| 13:53.36 | mosty | v0od0o: /boot should be a simple partition that any bootloader can handle |
| 13:53.39 | themill | mosty: fair call. I only reboot my laptop once every few months, so it's for 10s per year :) |
| 13:53.59 | enouf | v0od0o: seen? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 13:53.59 | v0od0o | yea |
| 13:54.14 | v0od0o | hmmm |
| 13:54.21 | v0od0o | ok |
| 13:54.23 | Kevin` | I dont have a backup for /boot because I can replace it trivially if I have to |
| 13:54.30 | MaikBeckmann | How can I find out what compiler was used to build a kernel at the repository? |
| 13:54.31 | v0od0o | :) |
| 13:54.33 | ribasushi | Kevin`, mosty: and what happens when the drive holding this simple partition fails? :) |
| 13:54.37 | v0od0o | Kevin`, I agree with you |
| 13:54.58 | v0od0o | Kevin`, not a bad idea to dd the boot partition into an img file |
| 13:55.05 | mosty | ribasushi: knoppix happens |
| 13:55.06 | Kevin` | ribasushi I replace it and grab a nearby knoppix cd next boot |
| 13:55.19 | v0od0o | I use System Rescue CD |
| 13:55.58 | ribasushi | right, and with raid1 the system simply boots back, and you login from home, and tell the intern to swap the hard drives |
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| 13:56.13 | ribasushi | now I like the second choice :) |
| 13:56.17 | v0od0o | lol |
| 13:56.39 | MaikBeckmann | nobody? |
| 13:56.40 | v0od0o | btw nice conversation ^^ |
| 13:56.41 | Kevin` | ribasushi useful certainly. this is for a desktop where downtime is a non issue |
| 13:56.47 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
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| 13:57.04 | MaikBeckmann | bye |
| 13:57.06 | v0od0o | in this server I am setting up downtime is dangerous :p |
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| 13:57.46 | v0od0o | but this ppl doesnt buy hotswappable for this server, so.... |
| 13:57.46 | Kevin` | v0od0o plan accordingly then :). one 50mb partition raid1 on all drives for boot would be an easy thing |
| 13:57.59 | v0od0o | i know lol |
| 13:58.08 | themill | MaikBeckmann: /usr/share/doc/linux-image*/buildinfo.gz |
| 13:58.12 | v0od0o | since they didnt bought hotswappable disks i dont give a shit :D |
| 13:58.14 | Darth_Tux | hi all, i am having trouble setting up repos for my system to use, i need non-free and contrib any help would be great |
| 13:58.19 | v0od0o | lol |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | !tell Darth_Tux about contrib |
| 13:58.33 | abrotman | !tell Darth_Tux about non-free |
| 13:58.39 | Kevin` | it would still make recovery easy though |
| 13:58.40 | ribasushi | v0od0o: and do yourself a favor - ditch raid5 and look at raid10 (not raid 1+0, 10) |
| 13:58.59 | v0od0o | why ribasushi ? |
| 13:59.03 | Kevin` | just replace the disk. boot normally, partition, add to array |
| 13:59.06 | ribasushi | v0od0o: google |
| 13:59.12 | v0od0o | I know raid10 |
| 13:59.27 | v0od0o | stripe+mirroring |
| 13:59.30 | wols_ | why do you use raid at all with a serve where downtime is no option but has no hotswappable drives? |
| 13:59.31 | ribasushi | v0od0o: no you don't :) |
| 13:59.36 | ribasushi | v0od0o: this is 1+0 |
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| 13:59.41 | Kevin` | raid10 has better performance but higher cost/storage.. a lot higher |
| 13:59.53 | v0od0o | wols_, because they bought this, stupid uh? :) |
| 13:59.54 | wols_ | Kevin`: it also has a lot more downtime |
| 14:00.04 | wols_ | the more disks, the more they will fail |
| 14:00.11 | Darth_Tux | abrotman: so that means no one here is using them? |
| 14:00.12 | v0od0o | ah |
| 14:00.15 | Kevin` | interesting point |
| 14:00.16 | v0od0o | lol |
| 14:00.17 | abrotman | RAID4 FTW! |
| 14:00.22 | v0od0o | no way |
| 14:00.22 | krissarge | hello. Can anybody say me which line of which file tells kdm to launch an X server ? |
| 14:00.23 | v0od0o | raid5 |
| 14:00.29 | v0od0o | lol |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | Darth_Tux: i means you should put them in your sources if you need them |
| 14:00.32 | v0od0o | ahahah |
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| 14:00.41 | Kevin` | raid 11 == raid1 heh |
| 14:00.45 | ribasushi | v0od0o: suit yourself |
| 14:00.50 | v0od0o | :D |
| 14:00.52 | abrotman | Kevin`: it's RAID1 of RAID1 |
| 14:00.53 | rissy | !ttf fonts |
| 14:01.01 | Kevin` | abrotman which is raid1 :) |
| 14:01.04 | Octopssy | Do I need to format all my hdd's when setting up a LVM?? |
| 14:01.06 | wols_ | krissarge: locate init.d/kdm |
| 14:01.07 | Kevin` | copys of copys |
| 14:01.07 | Darth_Tux | abrotman: i do need them and cant figure out what exactly to put in there |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | Kevin`: you'd have three duplicates |
| 14:01.18 | abrotman | Darth_Tux: the bot just told you |
| 14:01.21 | rissy | anyone know of the package name for true type fonts? |
| 14:01.31 | wols_ | !msttfcorefonts |
| 14:01.33 | abrotman | Darth_Tux: otherwise .. paste your sources somehwere and ask someone here how to make it work |
| 14:01.35 | Kevin` | raid1 can already have n drives, so its raid 1 |
| 14:01.48 | abrotman | oh yeah |
| 14:01.49 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 14:01.58 | v0od0o | the debian etch install gui has automation to install raid5 + lvm2 ? |
| 14:02.07 | krissarge | wols_, thanks. I tried several modifs of kdmrc and failed. Do you know exactly where ? |
| 14:02.25 | ribasushi | why is anyone endorsing raid5 in this day and age? |
| 14:02.31 | wols_ | krissarge: what do you want to do? |
| 14:02.34 | rissy | i should really use apt-cache search [keywords] more often haha |
| 14:02.37 | ribasushi | drivs are a dime a dozen |
| 14:03.19 | Kevin` | raid 15 then :) |
| 14:03.31 | abrotman | ribasushi: because it still works |
| 14:03.46 | Kevin` | vvvvv |
| 14:03.56 | Kevin` | wireless failed for a sec :( |
| 14:03.56 | ribasushi | abrotman: it will always work, just like ext2 :) |
| 14:03.59 | v0od0o | k |
| 14:04.04 | v0od0o | i will brb in 15 minutes |
| 14:04.08 | v0od0o | ciao belli |
| 14:04.12 | krissarge | wols_, We built up a debain LAN in a primary school, using old pc as X terminals. Since upgrade from sarge to etch, we got problems: |
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| 14:04.39 | Kevin` | bbl |
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| 14:05.27 | krissarge | the Xterminals are ok, but the several servers (which are also Xterminal for themselves) boot under kdm instead of displaying the servers list |
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| 14:05.32 | krissarge | as they did whith sarge. Can you help ? |
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| 14:05.51 | Kevin` | krissarge locate kdm.conf, edit it to use xdmcp |
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| 14:06.14 | Kevin` | I have only used gdm for this though. |
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| 14:06.32 | enouf | krissarge: the files in /etc/kde3/kdm/ are involved |
| 14:06.32 | nn-2 | is any one able to access http://filebin.info |
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| 14:07.09 | enouf | like /etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup for example krissarge |
| 14:07.12 | Kevin` | no, nn-2 |
| 14:07.20 | krissarge | as far as we understood the bug, it is because kdm launches an X server. So I want to stop this. But how ? I did not find reading kdmrc. |
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| 14:08.05 | krissarge | And I add I am surprised of this, because the config files have not been modified from sarge to etch. |
| 14:08.22 | Kevin` | nn-2 dns resolves to comcast business account. connection to port 80 times out |
| 14:08.24 | munson | is this right the right command to mount a cdrw? mount -t iso9660 -rw /dev/cdrom /mnt |
| 14:08.26 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Lake Louise.jpg |
| 14:08.27 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Land's End, Playa del Amor.jpg |
| 14:08.29 | munson | file:///var/www/image/lightning1.jpg |
| 14:08.29 | enouf | krissarge: i know kdm's startup was changed between sarge and etch, and not for the better IMO |
| 14:08.30 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Lorver Falls.JPG |
| 14:08.32 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Loughrigg_tarn_1.jpg |
| 14:08.33 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Maldives.jpg |
| 14:08.35 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Mirrored Serenity, Hood Canal, Seabeck, Washington.jpg |
| 14:08.36 | munson | file:///var/www/image/misty sunrise 2.jpg |
| 14:08.38 | munson | file:///var/www/image/moorea.jpg |
| 14:08.39 | munson | file:///var/www/image/Moorea Lagoon.jpg |
| 14:08.41 | munson | file:///var/www/image/mountain3b.jpg |
| 14:08.42 | munson | file:///var/www/image/multicoloured-fallen_leafs-in-autumn.jpg |
| 14:08.44 | enouf | uh oh |
| 14:08.44 | munson | sorry |
| 14:08.45 | Kevin` | oops? |
| 14:08.45 | munson | is this right the right command to mount a cdrw? mount -t iso9660 -rw /dev/cdrom /mnt |
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| 14:09.02 | krissarge | enouf, I am very intersted in what you say. Do you have references ? |
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| 14:09.31 | Kevin` | I dont think is09660 can be used like that. you probably want udf. and pktcdvd |
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| 14:09.40 | enouf | krissarge: not really, just noticed b0rkage and the missing "Console only" login option, which pisses me off to no end |
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| 14:09.57 | Arcad3 | every time i restart my Debian i must start mysql manually |
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| 14:10.10 | Arcad3 | what shall i do to make it start automatically |
| 14:10.12 | munson | "mount -t is09660 -rw /dev/cdrom /mnt" will mount a cdrw? |
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| 14:10.26 | munson | iso not is0 |
| 14:10.37 | dezent | Arcad3: try this, man update-rc.d |
| 14:10.53 | indraveni | I am using gconftool command and changing the theme |
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| 14:10.58 | xand | munson: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 14:11.00 | enouf | krissarge: and i've looked around at my files somewhat .. alos note, how "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" (look in /etc/alternatives) may factor in |
| 14:11.01 | indraveni | my command is like : gconftool-2 --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme BossBlue |
| 14:11.05 | Kevin` | munson -o rw instead of-r I think. but I doubt rw will work with iso9660, like I said.. |
| 14:11.09 | xand | munson: where /mnt/cdrom is an empty directory |
| 14:11.09 | indraveni | this command is changing the theme successfully, but its showing an error message when I am opening the gnome-theme-manager |
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| 14:11.19 | indraveni | Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/apps/metacity/general/theme' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path |
| 14:11.27 | indraveni | what is the problem with my command ? |
| 14:11.29 | munson | xand: ok, trying it out. |
| 14:11.32 | xand | munson: you can probably just do "mount /dev/cdrom" as it'll be in fstab |
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| 14:12.06 | Kevin` | munson also look at pctcdvd (the util to control the kernel packet writing driver) |
| 14:12.15 | enouf | krissarge: IIRC, i think on Sarge though (kde 3.3.2) they're in /var/*/* somewhere .. if not also in /etc/alternatives, man update-alternatives |
| 14:12.15 | Kevin` | bbl |
| 14:12.18 | munson | k |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | indraveni: it's a read only value ? :) |
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| 14:12.54 | scarface | I'm currently connecting to my debian box through tightvnc which works flawlessly. but I wonder where I can set the standard window manager my X sessions starts with? |
| 14:13.19 | indraveni | abrotman, yes, but what is the exact command to do this then? |
| 14:13.39 | rpc | what is snhelper? |
| 14:13.48 | rpc | should that thing be running on etch? |
| 14:14.12 | SiD_67 | morning |
| 14:14.53 | indraveni | abrotman, and its over-writing the value and then showing this error !! |
| 14:14.57 | munson | i only get it mounted for read-only, msg says it is write-protected. |
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| 14:15.44 | dezent | scarface: try edit ~/.xinitrc if you want kde just enter startkde |
| 14:15.51 | krissarge | enouf, thanks I'll try. |
| 14:15.55 | scarface | thanks dezent |
| 14:16.00 | dezent | scarface: np |
| 14:16.53 | SiD_67 | it cannot be lenny no driver for intelPro 3com 905tx and realtek NIC's has setup says to me it recognizes my NIC |
| 14:16.58 | scarface | dezent: although I cant find that file in my home dir |
| 14:17.06 | Arcad3 | if i want a command to be runned at startup where shall i add it? |
| 14:17.15 | dezent | scarface: then you need to create it |
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| 14:17.52 | enouf | munson: cd/dvd RW deosn't mean you read/write edit directly, it means it's tracks/sessions are rewriteable |
| 14:17.58 | Arcad3 | !init |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | methinks init is the init daemon |
| 14:18.12 | Arcad3 | !startup |
| 14:18.12 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script', do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
| 14:18.31 | munson | enouf: i cannot manually mount a cdrw for writing? |
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| 14:19.28 | enouf | munson: not that i know of .. you can if maybe using DVD-RAM, or perhaps packet-writing crapola, and set it up from scratch a HDD layout (512byte sectors) .. which is weird |
| 14:19.40 | enouf | munson: see the MtFuji spec |
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| 14:19.52 | enouf | or is it Ranier .. dang |
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| 14:20.11 | petemc | mount rainier and packet writing are the same thing, no? |
| 14:20.11 | wols_ | rainier |
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| 14:20.12 | enouf | I personally dislike and don't use RW media |
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| 14:20.39 | petemc | eps: whys that? |
| 14:20.42 | petemc | gah |
| 14:20.46 | petemc | enouf: whys that? |
| 14:20.47 | eps | tab strikes again! |
| 14:20.49 | enouf | yeah .. mt fuji may apply to dvd-ram .. i forget now .. got an aweful headache too .. ;-( |
| 14:20.54 | petemc | eps: :) |
| 14:20.59 | danilom | i got an error installing etch. dont find lenny scrpt |
| 14:21.12 | enouf | petemc: it's entirely unreliable in my eyes .. that's all .. juts my opinion |
| 14:21.16 | munson | enouf: my benq drive supports rainier. i can use k3b to write to cdrw. but i want to transfer big files over to another machine which does not have k3b. |
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| 14:22.19 | enouf | munson: that can be done, using any type of media .. but you want to create/burn, than copy onto other .. use cp |
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| 14:22.32 | enouf | er s/than/then |
| 14:23.26 | Octopssy | Guys, I made some fuck up, I was just following a howto, howto set up a lvm env, and did these things: http://paste.uni.cc/14845. I couldn't really get it to work so I uninstalled all LVM related tools. Now I readded the 2 mounts as I had them before in /etc/fstab. But at start up I know get those errors : http://paste.uni.cc/14847 - and more, does anyone know how i can unset all i did with lvm and get the normal mounts back working again? |
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| 14:23.58 | munson | enouf: i can use k3b to transfer to the cdrw and over the other machine i can use cp? |
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| 14:24.29 | enouf | munson: sure .. why not? .. just mount the media and use cp |
| 14:24.53 | wols_ | Octopssy: pvcreate /dev/sda1 overwrote your ext3 partition data |
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| 14:24.57 | munson | great, that would solve my problem. thks. |
| 14:25.07 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.57 | Octopssy | ok, so also all data dissapeared that was on it? |
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| 14:28.52 | talisker | How do I find out which program abuses the sound card? |
| 14:28.57 | talisker | Hogs it, that is |
| 14:29.27 | wols_ | talisker: lsof, fuer |
| 14:29.37 | wols_ | *fuser |
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| 14:29.52 | dezent | maybe lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 14:30.05 | wols_ | lsof /dev/snd |
| 14:30.11 | wols_ | dezent: unecessary use of grep :P |
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| 14:30.39 | dezent | wols_: sweet.. didnt know that was possible |
| 14:30.40 | wols_ | lsof /dev/snd* that is |
| 14:30.42 | scarface | !init |
| 14:30.42 | dpkg | init is probably the init daemon |
| 14:31.00 | talisker | what if there's nothing there? |
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| 14:31.17 | talisker | how do I use fuser? |
| 14:31.30 | wols_ | man fuser |
| 14:31.42 | talisker | I will, but right now I have to stop that noise :/ |
| 14:31.51 | wols_ | I don't |
| 14:31.59 | wols_ | just turn down the volume |
| 14:32.32 | talisker | gee, thanks for your help |
| 14:32.33 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.45 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 14:33.15 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.09 | talisker | I'm sick of his kind of people. I know it's a piss off when people ask you everything and won't RTFM, but that doesn't mean you have to get pissy for every time someone asks a specific question |
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| 14:35.15 | rpc | anyone knows this problem with vmware-server in etch? The "/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx" process did not start properly |
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| 14:35.52 | h3sp4wn | talisker: use pgrep / pkill |
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| 14:36.03 | talisker | h3sp4wn, already found it, thanks :) |
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| 14:41.56 | cyzie | hello anyone know how to identify if the raid is trully a hardware raid ? |
| 14:42.21 | wols_ | check what raid controller it uses |
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| 14:42.54 | hac | When I configure the kernel,I have to enable /dev/nvram and rtc emulation?? |
| 14:43.47 | wols_ | no, but it doesn't hurt |
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| 14:48.45 | scarface | !startup |
| 14:48.46 | dpkg | If you want your Debian system to run a script at startup, say 'your_script', do the following: put your script in /etc/init.d/your_script; then create the following symbolic link: ln -s ../init.d/your_script /etc/rc?.d/SXXyour_script, where ? is the desired runlevel, S is the letter S and XX is a number between 00 and 99. The number indicates the order in which scripts get executed. |
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| 14:49.53 | stew | that's a pretty gross factoid |
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| 14:50.39 | fengor | why? |
| 14:50.52 | cydork | fengor: update-rc.d? |
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| 14:50.53 | cydork | :) |
| 14:51.14 | scarface | which runlevel should I use for starting the vncserver on system boot? |
| 14:51.28 | fengor | i meant why stew considers it gross |
| 14:51.56 | cydork | scarface: debian has 2 by default. |
| 14:52.06 | rahul | because it's manual when there's a tool to do the job with small fraction of the work |
| 14:52.09 | scarface | hm ok |
| 14:52.24 | stew | fengor: it doens't mention /etc/init.d/README /etc/init.d/skeleton, doesn't mention that the script will be called with start, that it should be callable with stop, and has them making symlinks themselves instead of using update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 14:52.43 | fengor | ah ok, thanks stew |
| 14:53.02 | stew | !no startup is <reply> see init.d |
| 14:53.02 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 14:53.49 | stew | !init.d is also ask me about <bootmisc> or <rc.local> |
| 14:53.49 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 14:56.16 | rahul | heh, rc.local |
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| 15:00.12 | stew | heh, i think i made so many changes to those factoids just now that dpkg is ignoring me |
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| 15:00.43 | v0od0o | hi all Im back |
| 15:00.48 | PumpkinPie | is there a easy way to set the correct time ? |
| 15:00.54 | PumpkinPie | like via ntp ? |
| 15:01.23 | v0od0o | Kevin`, are you there ? |
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| 15:02.32 | pdbogen | PumpkinPie : apt-get install ntpdate && ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 15:02.49 | PumpkinPie | :) |
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| 15:03.07 | amazon10x | i'm trying to tunnel X over ssh but am having problems. I've run 'startx' as root and ssh to my user account. however, when i try to run an xterm, it gives a few errors: http://pastebin.us/28839 |
| 15:03.15 | PumpkinPie | yay |
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| 15:03.41 | rpc | what can be wrong if a box refuses ssh for several minutes since boot? |
| 15:03.54 | rpc | it won't work for 4-5 mins and suddenly it's all fine again |
| 15:04.19 | PumpkinPie | maybe its taking 5 minutes to boot ssh? |
| 15:04.23 | amazon10x | i've also noticed that when I initially login over ssh i get a message "/usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/sheldon/.Xauthority" |
| 15:04.29 | rpc | nope it was like 30 seconds or so |
| 15:04.48 | v0od0o | enouf, are you there ? |
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| 15:04.49 | rpc | i could ssh in as soon as i got ping reply |
| 15:05.01 | rpc | now i have to wait so long, wtf is wrong in there |
| 15:05.03 | wols_ | rpc: /etc/init.d/rmnologin |
| 15:05.15 | rpc | wols_ hmm |
| 15:05.17 | stew | rpc: is it refusing connections or only allowing root login? |
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| 15:05.27 | scarface | hm I tried to run a script on startup, did a script with " #!/bin/sh vncserver -options " and a system link like ln -s /etc/init.d/vncserver_startup /etc/rc2.d/S05vncserver_startup what is it I've done wrong because the vncserver wont start on bootup |
| 15:05.32 | stew | rpc: (rmnologin is not correct if it is refusing connections) |
| 15:05.36 | rpc | stew refusing |
| 15:05.42 | stew | !connection refused |
| 15:05.42 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 15:05.53 | stew | rpc: if its connection refuesed, it hasn't started yet |
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| 15:06.02 | rpc | stew then there is a reason for that |
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| 15:06.15 | rpc | stew it was a snap before... just seconds after boot |
| 15:06.21 | enouf | v0od0o: stop playing nick-orama :-P ...yes .. but i still have a headache, and the others you've talked with know more than I about raid/lvm and such |
| 15:06.32 | v0od0o | lol |
| 15:06.37 | twobitsprite | has anyone tried to run quake 4 in debian on an amd64 dual-core? |
| 15:06.51 | stew | rpc: somehting that is happening before it in either /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d is taking longer |
| 15:06.51 | v0od0o | I need some opinion |
| 15:07.01 | v0od0o | is it bad to set up more than 1 swap partition ? |
| 15:07.01 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:07.05 | rpc | stew hm thank you - will look in there |
| 15:07.07 | HardDisk_WP | I have a .img image of a DVD |
| 15:07.15 | wols_ | v0od0o: no |
| 15:07.16 | Octopssy | Anyone here having experience setting up LVM? |
| 15:07.23 | HardDisk_WP | how do I process it with ffmpeg/mencoder? |
| 15:07.27 | rpc | stew i was just worried about other reasons... |
| 15:07.27 | enouf | scarface: did you use update-rc.d? |
| 15:07.31 | v0od0o | what if I set 4 swap ? |
| 15:07.42 | rpc | stew first i couldn't reboot the box and now i can't ssh in... |
| 15:07.42 | stew | rpc: so if you can ping but not ssh, /etc/rcS.d/S40networking has run but /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh hasn't |
| 15:07.44 | scarface | enouf: uhmm no ;) how do I? |
| 15:07.47 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: ccd2iso |
| 15:07.48 | enouf | v0od0o: not a issue IMO, and you can also st priority on each |
| 15:07.55 | v0od0o | k |
| 15:08.07 | rpc | stew i will look closer into logs once i'm there again |
| 15:08.28 | enouf | scarface: /msg dpkg update-rc.d , and see also /etc/init.d/skeleton and README files |
| 15:08.41 | v0od0o | any good how to do raid5 + lvm2 ? |
| 15:08.41 | rpc | stew just got in.. exactly 6 mins since boot-up... isn't it very long? |
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| 15:09.06 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i have a image, not a dvd.. |
| 15:09.13 | HardDisk_WP | if it would be a dvd i would know |
| 15:09.16 | rpc | stew while i got ping after 15-20 secs since reboot command |
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| 15:09.31 | MaikBeckmann | I want to build and install the nvidia kernel module for the 2.6.20. I installed linux-source-2.6.20 and build it with >># make-kpkg kernel_image<<. If I run >># make-kpkg modules_image<< |
| 15:09.36 | MaikBeckmann | FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 15:09.47 | MaikBeckmann | is reported |
| 15:10.28 | enouf | scarface: another excellent read it zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 15:10.28 | v0od0o | Debian installer asked me how many devices in my RAID5, now its asking me how many "spare"... I setted up 5 devices in the raid5 |
| 15:10.29 | MaikBeckmann | Did anybody build the nvidia module on 2.6.20 ? |
| 15:10.29 | v0od0o | what about this "spare" ? |
| 15:10.31 | MaikBeckmann | thx in advance |
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| 15:10.40 | stew | rpc: yes. it is long. if you dns is broken, it can make some daemons (typically your mta) take a very long time to start up |
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| 15:11.17 | rpc | stew hm so perhaps it's a dns related prob in fact |
| 15:11.17 | enouf | v0od0o: do you have a spare?/ |
| 15:11.24 | v0od0o | enouf, what is that ? |
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| 15:11.33 | enouf | v0od0o: a hotswap spare |
| 15:11.33 | v0od0o | It ask me how many spare I want |
| 15:11.36 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: where have you looked what ccd2iso is? |
| 15:11.38 | stew | rpc: or if, for instance, your hostname and fqdn are not in /etc/hosts |
| 15:11.45 | v0od0o | I don't have hotswap drives here |
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| 15:12.02 | stew | rpc: (which will cause things to do a dns lookup instead, which, if dns is broken, will take a long time) |
| 15:12.04 | rpc | stew hm i never touched that again since initial setup and also dns works fine, must be other reason |
| 15:12.22 | v0od0o | enouf, my spare is == 0 ? |
| 15:12.24 | rpc | but yes, very good explanation and i once had the thing you just told me about |
| 15:12.31 | enouf | v0od0o: i guess so ;-) |
| 15:12.45 | wols_ | rpc: does the site have port 22 open? |
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| 15:13.16 | rpc | wols_ hell no :) |
| 15:13.31 | ribasushi | v0od0o: if a swap disk fails while holding data, this is equivalent to pullin a ram stick out of your system, 4 disks - 4 times the risk. If it is indeed a critical server consider to make a LV for the raid on top of the VG on top of the raid, so the swap itself is redundant |
| 15:13.32 | plb | On etch I notice when you plugin an ipod the device gets automounted and rhythmbox opens up...what exactly needs to be installed to accomplish this? |
| 15:13.32 | rpc | but i just wonder about snort.. could it be the reason for this delay? |
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| 15:14.18 | stew | rpc: is your hostname and fqdn in /etc/hosts? |
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| 15:14.43 | \amethyst | plb: you should be able to configure that in gnome-volume-properties |
| 15:14.48 | rpc | stew let me make sure that nothing broke today |
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| 15:15.07 | plb | \amethyst: ah..don't run gnome on this box |
| 15:15.22 | rpc | stew hrhm... it's not there |
| 15:15.32 | stew | rpc: do either "getent hosts $(hostname)" or "getent hosts $(hostname --fqdn)" both return very quickly? |
| 15:15.36 | \amethyst | plb: The work is done by hal, I believe |
| 15:15.44 | alxb | hi |
| 15:15.45 | rpc | stew but i'm sure it was there.. i did dist-upgrade lately and changed kernel on the host, perhaps it screwed up stuff? |
| 15:15.46 | alxb | is ubuntu etch-based? |
| 15:15.48 | tolonuga | hi. does anyone know where I can find a __sarge__ debian netinst cd image (i386)? all servers I know only have etch (or don't have i386 but only other architectures). |
| 15:15.49 | v0od0o | ribasushi can I PM you _ |
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| 15:16.01 | stew | rpc: no, dpkg won't touch config files you have edited |
| 15:16.33 | plb | alxb: no sid |
| 15:16.33 | enouf | v0od0o: i guess you lost this url ;-) http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 15:16.33 | rpc | stew checking... btw.. i'm also having a shitty prob trying to get vm on that host running.. i suspect this problem has to do with it |
| 15:16.39 | v0od0o | i set my real nick >P |
| 15:16.39 | stew | rpc: i don't know what vm is |
| 15:16.53 | v0od0o | >> |
| 15:16.53 | rpc | stew virtual machine |
| 15:17.03 | stew | rpc: never heard of it |
| 15:17.04 | rpc | # getent hosts $(hostname) <---this takes forever |
| 15:17.09 | GiabboO | :P |
| 15:17.18 | stew | rpc: that is your problem |
| 15:18.25 | rpc | getent hosts $(hostname --fqdn) takes forever too |
| 15:18.26 | rpc | but trust me, i had the hosts etc. files setup very well |
| 15:18.26 | rpc | something broke during dist-upgrade |
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| 15:18.26 | stew | rpc: get the output of both "hostname" and "hostname -fqdn", and make sure both are assigned to ips in /etc/hosts |
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| 15:18.27 | rpc | stew i suspect it will take 5-6 mins till they reply, right? :) |
| 15:18.28 | stew | rpc: if a debian package touched a config file you had edited, file a severity critical bug against the package |
| 15:18.28 | enouf | tolonuga: "/msg dpkg sdn" perhaps |
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| 15:18.39 | tolonuga | thanks, will try |
| 15:18.41 | stew | rpc: (but don't waste your time, you won't find it) |
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| 15:18.59 | rpc | stew then i should report that as i spent alot of time learning how to setup hosts etc. in the past.. i'm sure it IS touched and it wasn't me who did that |
| 15:19.09 | scarface | enouf: I did a update-rc.d vncserver_startup and get that system startup links already exist |
| 15:19.21 | rpc | stew e.g. /etc/hosts looks pretty generic now.. it's NOT my setup of it |
| 15:19.25 | stew | rpc: really really doubt that such a bug would have made it into the release |
| 15:19.34 | stew | (and that you are the first to find it) |
| 15:19.54 | rpc | stew give me one good reason why i would change those files and forget about it |
| 15:20.05 | enouf | scarface: ok .. but are you sure they should have a S05scriptname number? .. i mean, you should let update-rc.d determine the order |
| 15:20.08 | stew | rpc: i certainly wouldn't know |
| 15:20.10 | rpc | or at least that single file |
| 15:20.30 | rpc | stew all i did lately was apt-get dist-upgrade and i also swapped the kernel to 2.6.18-4 |
| 15:20.40 | rpc | nothing else was installed/removed on that box |
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| 15:20.54 | scarface | enouf: hm ok so I just update-rc.d remove it and add it with defaults again`? |
| 15:21.03 | enouf | scarface: i would |
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| 15:21.10 | scarface | enouf: okay I'll try |
| 15:21.20 | rpc | stew and since that swap i noticed other probs.. i couldn't reboot the box, and now i can't ssh in for a long time too.. thus i'm sure dist-upgrade broke my /etc/hosts |
| 15:21.22 | Nyle | !ping |
| 15:21.22 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:21.27 | MaikBeckmann | I found the solution for compiling the nvidia module for the 2.6.20 kernel: Search for "EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(paravirt_ops)" and replace it with "EXPORT_SYMBOL(paravirt_ops)" |
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| 15:21.47 | gniretar_work | hi all |
| 15:21.50 | scarface | enouf: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/vncserver_startup exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) ... force it? |
| 15:21.52 | rpc | stew and now i forgot how to setup hosts properly :) |
| 15:22.06 | MaikBeckmann | thx to anyone who thought about my problem |
| 15:22.06 | gniretar_work | so i cant figure out how to upgrade my flash plugin on iceweasel... i cant seem to find where the so file is being kept |
| 15:22.14 | rpc | stew all is in there is: 127.0.0.1 localhost Debian-pre40-etch-32-minimal |
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| 15:22.18 | enouf | scarface: make a backup first |
| 15:22.23 | rpc | i wouldn't be so anal to create such name lol |
| 15:22.23 | stew | rpc: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info ; ls | xargs grep /etc/hosts ; try to find which package edited the file |
| 15:22.40 | rpc | great hint, let me do that |
| 15:23.15 | enouf | scarface: the /etc/init.d/* are the actual scripts, the /etc/rc?.d/* files are the symlinks |
| 15:23.37 | rpc | stew: i got lots of output but first 2 lines look interesting: |
| 15:23.38 | rpc | netbase.postinst: if [ -f /etc/hosts ] && ! grep -q "ip6-localhost" /etc/hosts; then |
| 15:23.38 | rpc | netbase.postinst: cat >>/etc/hosts <<-EOF |
| 15:23.46 | stew | rpc: that is appending, not replacing |
| 15:23.54 | rpc | oh in fact.. |
| 15:24.01 | stew | rpc: notice >> not > |
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| 15:24.07 | scarface | enouf: ok I removed the symlinks and re did it with the defaults. he created symlinks to 0-5 |
| 15:24.10 | rpc | tcpd.postinst: if [ ! -e /etc/hosts.allow ]; then |
| 15:24.10 | rpc | tcpd.postinst: cat > /etc/hosts.allow <<EOF |
| 15:24.23 | rpc | (right about >>) |
| 15:24.24 | enouf | scarface: give it a testrun ;l-0 |
| 15:24.35 | scarface | enouf: do I actually have to reboot? |
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| 15:24.48 | iveqy | I've just installed etch on my laptop. But iceweasel do not work. I've got the error no XBL bindning... |
| 15:24.52 | wols_ | gniretar_work: find / -name *ash.so* ? |
| 15:24.58 | enouf | scarface: well .. no for rc2 you only need to telinit 1 , then init 2 |
| 15:25.06 | rpc | stew there is also something about tcpd.templates in tons of diff languages.. |
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| 15:25.42 | gniretar_work | wols_: yea... tried that |
| 15:25.45 | stew | rpc: that is just text to be displayed to the user, not a script that is run |
| 15:25.50 | enouf | scarface: though .. many scripts that run during rc1 may interfere, or need to be restarted .. not sure .. also man invoke-rc.d, and zless/usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.invoke-rc.d.gz |
| 15:25.54 | rpc | stew ok |
| 15:26.14 | rpc | but then this tcpd.postinst stuff... how can i find out what package does it come from? |
| 15:26.24 | stew | rpc: from tcpd |
| 15:26.50 | rpc | hm iwas doing a major upgrade before dist-upgrade.. some package did that mess then |
| 15:27.12 | stew | rpc: i really doubt it |
| 15:27.18 | rpc | now i wonder how do i setup my /etc/hosts again |
| 15:27.28 | stew | rpc: man 5 hosts |
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| 15:27.32 | rpc | i know there are more files involved in the proper setup |
| 15:27.41 | rpc | and if they are all broken again.. |
| 15:28.28 | stew | rpc: its a pretty simple file, "ip.address hostname hostname hostname" |
| 15:28.29 | rpc | why 3 times? |
| 15:28.29 | stew | rpc: 1 or more times |
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| 15:28.29 | rpc | and do i need 127.0.0.1 there or not? |
| 15:28.29 | stew | rpc: you can assign multiple hostnames by listing more than one |
| 15:28.29 | rpc | oh. |
| 15:28.29 | twobitsprite | rpc: "ip.address hostname hostname.domain.com other.hostname etc" |
| 15:28.30 | rpc | oh i read you twobitsprite |
| 15:28.31 | stew | rpc: yes, and you should probably be assiging your hostname to 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:28.45 | rpc | hm then i know what's wrong |
| 15:28.52 | rpc | my hostname is mindstorm |
| 15:28.54 | scarface | enouf: well I had to reboot :) but actually it still doesnt work; is the script in /etc/init.d/vncserver_startup wrong? |
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| 15:29.35 | rpc | in /etc/hosts it got changed to some default name |
| 15:29.35 | gniretar_work | YES!!! On a hunch i punched 'about:plugins' into the address bar and it told me what i needed to know |
| 15:29.35 | rpc | but in /etc/hostname i have the proper name |
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| 15:30.15 | rpc | well # getent hosts $(hostname --fqdn) still takes forever... |
| 15:30.55 | enouf | scarface: I wrote this but you signed off --> .. many scripts that run during rc1 may interfere, or need to be restarted .. not sure .. also man invoke-rc.d, and zless/usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.invoke-rc.d.gz |
| 15:31.08 | enouf | scarface: your script needs to wirk first ;-) |
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| 15:31.57 | enouf | scarface: did you review /etc/init.d/skeleton and README files? |
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| 15:32.22 | scarface | enouf: well my script is a two liner like '!/bin/sh vncserver -params' |
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| 15:33.33 | cydork | scarface: check /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 15:33.33 | rpc | # cat /etc/hosts |
| 15:33.33 | rpc | 127.0.0.1 mindstorm |
| 15:33.35 | rpc | is that ok? |
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| 15:33.49 | scarface | enouf: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 15:33.58 | scarface | ups |
| 15:34.46 | stew | scarface: doesn't vncserver come with its own mechanism? or can't you just run it from inetd? |
| 15:34.53 | rpc | guys, could this /etc/hosts misconfiguration cause 6 mins delay on ssh in after reboot? |
| 15:34.55 | giupy | i don't know waht to do with samba and folder permission, i have made folder "chmod a+rwx" but samba user can't open a file or write on folder with konqueror and smb://, however if i mount shared folder with root in the remote pc, samba user can open file but can't write or delete files. |
| 15:35.00 | stew | scarface: did you read /usr/share/doc/vncserver/README.Debian (or whatever the packagename is)? |
| 15:35.09 | stew | rpc: yes |
| 15:35.11 | tarzeau | anyone play xblast-tnt w/ me? |
| 15:35.35 | wols_ | giupy: you need to set the permissions for the share in your smb.conf too |
| 15:35.44 | stew | rpc: and you should also ahve "localhost localhost.localdomain" on the 127.0.0.1 line |
| 15:36.28 | giupy | wols_: i have "read only = no" and "create mode = 0777" and other options for have full access |
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| 15:36.42 | rpc | stew hmm... |
| 15:36.47 | drwahl | im trying to install debian on an old mac (performa 6500), and I want to install something newer (nothing older than sarge), but when i try to do a net install it asks for rescue.bin. any ideas? |
| 15:36.50 | giupy | writable = yes |
| 15:37.19 | rpc | stew i did that but i still get no reply from # getent hosts $(hostname) |
| 15:37.33 | rpc | stew i'm so tired of this.. whatever broke my hosts... i'm pissed now |
| 15:37.35 | stew | rpc: what does "hostname" return? |
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| 15:37.50 | rpc | it said mindstorm |
| 15:38.06 | stew | what does "grep mindstorm" /etc/hosts return? |
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| 15:38.10 | rpc | 1sec |
| 15:38.22 | stew | rpc: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
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| 15:38.27 | yosef | Hi |
| 15:38.32 | infester | iho |
| 15:38.34 | infester | hiho* |
| 15:38.39 | drwahl | im trying to install debian on an old mac (performa 6500), and I want to install something newer (nothing older than sarge), but when i try to do a net install it asks for rescue.bin. any ideas? |
| 15:38.52 | rpc | stew: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain mindstorm |
| 15:39.08 | giupy | wols_: are this params correct for folders in my pc? drwxrwxrwx 4 giupy giupy 96 2007-04-26 17:02 amule |
| 15:39.23 | rpc | err that's for your 2nd q. |
| 15:39.28 | yosef | I have problem , when I make apt-get update after loading, I have error w: gpg error: backport realease the following gnature couldn't be verified because the public key ins not available: NO_PUBKEY E455464666 |
| 15:39.49 | rpc | 3rd one: hosts: files dns |
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| 15:39.54 | nite613 | !ati |
| 15:39.55 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
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| 15:40.38 | rpc | i f... spent an hour or two before figuring out the proper host configuration... now it's broken and it's NOT me who did this :( |
| 15:40.39 | stew | rpc: "getent hosts mindstorm" really should return immediately then |
| 15:40.49 | stew | rpc: who else has root on the box? |
| 15:41.00 | rpc | it doesn't, takes like minute or so |
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| 15:41.04 | rpc | no one |
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| 15:42.04 | rpc | stew just tell me who would change the hosts to Debian-pre40-etch-32-minimal ? |
| 15:42.19 | rpc | there is absolutely NO reason for that, nor it makes any sense |
| 15:42.23 | stew | rpc: the installer |
| 15:42.30 | stew | rpc: when you first installed |
| 15:42.30 | rpc | i wasn't reinstalling |
| 15:42.42 | stew | rpc: right, the initial install |
| 15:42.52 | rpc | stew.. if it was like that before i would moan every day when trying to ssh in, right? it broke recently |
| 15:43.07 | rpc | something copied the default hosts file over mine |
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| 15:43.24 | stew | rpc: did you recently switch mtas? |
| 15:43.29 | rpc | nope |
| 15:43.47 | rpc | i recently only did apt-get upgrade dist-upgrade and apt-get install 2.6.18-4 |
| 15:43.49 | drwahl | im trying to install debian on an old mac (performa 6500), and I want to install something newer (nothing older than sarge), but when i try to do a net install it asks for rescue.bin. any ideas? |
| 15:44.07 | rpc | stew trust me on that.. i don't touch that box often |
| 15:44.10 | stew | drwahl: try #debianppc |
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| 15:44.40 | enouf | drwahl: tried debianppc on oftc.net? |
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| 15:44.57 | simonrvn | !tell TetsuoShima -about root |
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| 15:45.05 | rpc | stew and now i can't get this hosts shit to work :( can't fine this nice document on setting it up either |
| 15:45.10 | rpc | help :( |
| 15:45.16 | rpc | find* |
| 15:45.17 | stew | rpc: man 5 hosts |
| 15:45.21 | rpc | i did |
| 15:45.21 | giupy | oh well, do i need an account on pc where are the shared folder ? |
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| 15:45.28 | rpc | and it's ok according to man |
| 15:45.29 | minus | CRAP! Ehm.. Somehow I've managed to uninstall some pakage or something so that my internet doesn't work on my linux computer x| |
| 15:45.37 | giupy | samba user must has an account on my pc too ? |
| 15:45.41 | stew | rpc: put your current /etc/hosts into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:45.48 | rpc | 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain mindstorm |
| 15:45.52 | rpc | it's 1-liner there |
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| 15:46.07 | minus | What should i do to get my internet to work again? |
| 15:46.31 | enouf | !tell minus -about interfaces |
| 15:46.34 | stew | rpc: does it have a trailing newline? |
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| 15:46.37 | rpc | stew i known that there are more files to check too, just can't remember them, one was /etc/hostname but it's fine |
| 15:46.50 | stew | rpc: i don't think so |
| 15:46.58 | rpc | nope |
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| 15:47.06 | stew | rpc: that's likely the problem then |
| 15:47.24 | rpc | # cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:47.24 | rpc | search 0-32-minimal |
| 15:47.25 | TetsuoShima | thanks whoever reminded me |
| 15:47.27 | rpc | what's that? |
| 15:47.32 | rpc | 0-32-minimal? |
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| 15:47.47 | formorer | + |
| 15:48.08 | stew | rpc: that's saying that if "foo" can be resolved via dns, it should also try "foo.0-32-minimal" |
| 15:48.32 | rpc | why would it be in there? |
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| 15:48.55 | rpc | another thing that i never put in that file and i'm SURE |
| 15:49.05 | TetsuoShima | ok, for some reason when i try to manually switch from the new nvidia drivers to the legacy drivers, everything works untill i try to log in |
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| 15:49.36 | TetsuoShima | the screen resolution was bigger, but after i tried logging in it would just restart |
| 15:49.44 | rpc | removed the line.. still no banana, i will go berzerk soon.... |
| 15:49.53 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: I had some horrible problems with the nVidia drivers recently...sounds similar |
| 15:50.14 | TetsuoShima | thats because nvidia is the devil |
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| 15:50.34 | TetsuoShima | and i fucked up and installed amd64 |
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| 15:50.35 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.42 | kth` | rpc; dhcp clients usually change resolv.conf |
| 15:50.48 | torrr | what goes under it keep being blanked after I drag it away |
| 15:50.48 | minus6 | enouf, can you tell me that again... my net dissconnected... |
| 15:50.55 | enouf | !tell minus -about interfaces |
| 15:50.55 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: trying to remember what I did...I think I did a --remove with the installer to completely remove all traces of nvidia, then installed the version I wanted |
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| 15:51.00 | torrr | i don't even know what it is |
| 15:51.05 | rpc | kth` i don't use dhcp |
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| 15:51.07 | CarLuva | it worked after that |
| 15:51.11 | torrr | I tried xkill, but it just killed the desktop |
| 15:51.11 | iturk | hi there friends i am having a problem considering the refresh rate of my wmaker section! how can i change it? by the way i am using etch !! |
| 15:51.14 | TetsuoShima | no, i mean |
| 15:51.20 | rpc | no one can tell me how to setup my hosts properly on etch? |
| 15:51.27 | TetsuoShima | i installed a 64 bit version of debian |
| 15:51.28 | rpc | i'm really half-dead already |
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| 15:51.45 | rpc | some SHIT changed my files and i can't remember the proper way of setting this crap up |
| 15:51.50 | minus6 | hm.. wierd.. |
| 15:52.10 | Octopssy | How to let terminal listen as a proxy, |
| 15:52.10 | enouf | !tell iturk about hwinfo |
| 15:52.11 | minus6 | My internet mysteriously started working after a reboot |
| 15:52.13 | Octopssy | does anyone know |
| 15:52.14 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: oh...that's a little different |
| 15:52.19 | enouf | !tell iturk about drxx |
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| 15:52.21 | Octopssy | tunnel port fwd or something it called |
| 15:52.21 | K|NgGh0sT | So I did a a distupgrade for Etch, and it broke X, so I upgraded to Lenny, no fix, filed a bug report --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414782 and then I got an email from the guy, cept I dont know how to tell whatversion I have... This is the reply "Lenny (testing) does not include xorg-server 1.3 yet, it is only in unstable so far. Why xserver-xorg-core do you have? Could you try 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-2 currently in unstable or re |
| 15:52.22 | TetsuoShima | i almost had it last night. i just need to find a kernel that works for me |
| 15:52.26 | minus6 | I LUV REBOOTS *not* But they are good sometimes |
| 15:52.48 | minus6 | *poff* |
| 15:52.49 | xipietotec | I know this is #debian...but is anyone familiar with DSL? #DSL is very dead right now, I'm looking to find out how to install .dsl packages if the distro is installed to an HD? |
| 15:53.05 | stew | xipietotec: try #damnsmalllinux |
| 15:53.20 | stew | xipietotec: sorry we can't help you with DSL in here |
| 15:53.35 | xipietotec | stem: Yeah, as I said #DSL / #damnsmalllinux is dead right now =( |
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| 15:53.41 | TetsuoShima | whats the command to get the bot to tell me about nvidia |
| 15:53.50 | stew | xipietotec: try to find a mailing list or web forum |
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| 15:53.55 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell TetsuoShima about nvidia |
| 15:53.57 | iturk | enouf: ok i am instaklling hwinfo now then can i used to change my refresh rate right ? |
| 15:53.58 | stew | TetsuoShima: '/msg dpkg nvidia' |
| 15:53.59 | TetsuoShima | ty |
| 15:54.03 | Octopssy | How to let terminal listen as a proxy, does anyone know? |
| 15:54.04 | xipietotec | allright, thanks |
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| 15:54.31 | K|NgGh0sT | !tell TetsuoShima about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:54.39 | haxality_ | hello, I'd like to know how to get my mouse's scroll wheel working. |
| 15:54.44 | enouf | minus: sometimes an "ifup eth0" will do the trick, (or ifdown followed by an ifup). but an /etc/init.d/networking restart should really do it, without rebooting, unles there's some wintendo zeroconf stuff that hijacked your connection(s) |
| 15:54.55 | haxality_ | I already added "zaxismapping" to my xorg.conf |
| 15:54.56 | enouf | iturk: using X? |
| 15:54.57 | h3sp4wn | haxality_: The gentoo page about that is quite good |
| 15:55.17 | iturk | enouf: wmaker yes of course !!!! |
| 15:55.22 | haxality_ | haha thanks |
| 15:55.24 | haxality_ | found it |
| 15:55.25 | enouf | iturk: then /msg dpkg drxx |
| 15:55.29 | haxality_ | hooray google |
| 15:55.34 | enouf | iturk: dpkg already showed you too |
| 15:55.35 | wols_ | giupy: writable = yes |
| 15:56.35 | stew | rpc: do you have an /etc/host.conf? |
| 15:56.38 | rpc | stew should getent hosts mindstorm take like 1sec? |
| 15:56.58 | rpc | # cat /etc/host.conf |
| 15:56.58 | rpc | multi on |
| 15:57.11 | iturk | enouf: i dont have drxx package |
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| 15:57.12 | stew | rpc: no, they should take nowhere near that long |
| 15:57.17 | TetsuoShima | when i type the one liner i get an error saying "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64" |
| 15:57.21 | stew | ^they^it |
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| 15:57.28 | rpc | stew then at least i know it's still f.. broken |
| 15:57.41 | rpc | stew and vmware-vmx won't work for this reason too most likely |
| 15:57.51 | rpc | i do need to sort it out and i'm clueless |
| 15:58.10 | iturk | enouf: and hwinfo is not able to configure my refresh rate it's displaying a lot of text. What can i do in order to configure it? if you know !!!! |
| 15:58.22 | stew | rpc: strace -f -o /tmp/hosts.strace getent hosts mindstorm ; and post hosts.strace use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:58.24 | enouf | iturk: hwinfo --monitor |
| 15:58.30 | enouf | iturk: as dpkg told you |
| 15:58.32 | Nyle | man I was getting like 8-10mbit down from RR few days ago, and now I can't seem to get more than 1.5-2mbit |
| 15:58.35 | TetsuoShima | does anyone know what that means? |
| 15:58.38 | Nyle | what the hekc |
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| 15:58.51 | rahul | Nyle: how many days ago? |
| 15:59.00 | Nyle | whenever I was taling about it |
| 15:59.01 | rahul | specifically which day of the week? |
| 15:59.03 | iturk | enouf: dpkg didnt told me nothing |
| 15:59.04 | rpc | stew it's running.. have to wait till it returns |
| 15:59.05 | Nyle | like yesterday or the day efore |
| 15:59.09 | enouf | and no hwinfo is to GET your avaable refresh rates, with color depth (bits), not alter it .. drxx is for that |
| 15:59.11 | rahul | hrm |
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| 15:59.16 | rahul | well, it is thrursday |
| 15:59.18 | Nyle | rahul: and at night time its horrible |
| 15:59.21 | enouf | iturk: you are blind then |
| 15:59.23 | rahul | people might actually be working |
| 15:59.27 | rahul | Nyle: nyct rocks |
| 15:59.31 | TetsuoShima | when i type the one liner i get an error saying "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64" |
| 15:59.32 | TetsuoShima | does anyone know what that means? |
| 15:59.34 | Nyle | rahul: whats that? |
| 15:59.38 | rpc | stew oh it just said 1 line: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain mindstorm |
| 15:59.39 | rahul | Nyle: my cable isp |
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| 15:59.41 | Nyle | rahul: all we have here is time warner bullcrap |
| 15:59.43 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 15:59.53 | rahul | Nyle: nyct has a contract with TW |
| 15:59.53 | enouf | [11:47:20] [dpkg] told iturk about hwinfo (extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles) |
| 16:00.01 | Ramattack | does anybody know how could I increase the SOMAXCONN value on my os? |
| 16:00.01 | iturk | enouf: dpkg drxx shows me the same has dpkg --help |
| 16:00.01 | Nyle | rahul: speak english |
| 16:00.06 | stew | rpc: let me see the /tmp/hosts.strace |
| 16:00.13 | Nyle | rahul: i don't speak this language called acronym |
| 16:00.15 | enouf | iturk: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 16:00.25 | TetsuoShima | i guess noone knows then... |
| 16:00.29 | simonrvn | iturk: here, not console |
| 16:00.29 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone? |
| 16:00.30 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 16:00.32 | enouf | iturk: here, in your irc client |
| 16:00.36 | rahul | Nyle: new york connect.. but that's not gonna help you find them |
| 16:00.37 | stew | Nyle: you are sharing your bandwidth with your neighbors, so it depends on how much they are using. |
| 16:00.37 | iturk | enouf: here nothing |
| 16:00.40 | rahul | Nyle: nyct.net |
| 16:00.47 | enouf | iturk: are you registered? |
| 16:00.52 | iturk | enouf: ok i get now |
| 16:00.54 | enouf | !tell iturk about drxx |
| 16:01.02 | enouf | that's twice now |
| 16:01.02 | stew | Nyle: this is why DSL, which uses ATM will give you more reliable bandwidth, its no longer a free-for-all |
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| 16:01.27 | Nyle | stew: I have mac filter enabled.. but no WPA/WEP atm.. only MAC allowed to access my AP is my client/ddwrt |
| 16:01.29 | rahul | nyct is very reliable |
| 16:01.30 | haxality_ | ok. |
| 16:01.32 | TetsuoShima | can someone please help me with an error msg? |
| 16:01.48 | haxality_ | I followed the instructions on http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel#Logitech_MX500.2C_MX510.2C_MX518 |
| 16:01.52 | stew | Nyle: yes, but your neighbors have their own cable modems |
| 16:01.53 | Ramattack | does anybody know this please? is for increasing the queue of connections accepted |
| 16:01.55 | rahul | or maybe the upper west side is just cool like that |
| 16:01.56 | haxality_ | restarted my X server, and still no scrolling |
| 16:01.58 | rpc | stew: http://pastebin.ca/459605 |
| 16:02.01 | Nyle | stew: speed was the reason why I didn't enable encryption |
| 16:02.04 | K|NgGh0sT | How can I find what version of xserver I'm running? |
| 16:02.11 | TetsuoShima | !ping |
| 16:02.11 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:02.19 | Nyle | stew: also becuase encrypting packets takes resources and this router is utter crap |
| 16:02.22 | enouf | iturk: for future help see /msg dpkg selftell |
| 16:02.25 | stew | Nyle: i'm not taling about your connection, i'm saying that your connection and your neighbors connection are all competing for the same bandwidth |
| 16:02.26 | rahul | Nyle: the speed of your LAN is going to be many times faster than your uplink |
| 16:02.34 | itguru | what is the correct usage of dd_rescue? |
| 16:02.34 | Nyle | stew: oh i understand the shared medium of course |
| 16:02.53 | enouf | iturk: future "dpkg the bot" help that is |
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| 16:03.04 | TetsuoShima | does """E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64""" mean the file is supposed to already be on my pc? |
| 16:03.29 | Nyle | rahul: stew: I'm just surprised.. never once in batonrouge/oklahoma did I ever have as shitty bandwidth as in nyc. |
| 16:03.32 | xand | TetsuoShima: no, it means it doesn't exist |
| 16:03.40 | stew | rpc: that's the entire thing? |
| 16:03.43 | TetsuoShima | ... |
| 16:03.47 | infester | TetsuoShima: try another mirror and update apt |
| 16:03.52 | rahul | Nyle: you're using RR. what do you expect? |
| 16:03.55 | haxality_ | does anyone know how to get a logitech scroll wheel working? |
| 16:03.58 | Nyle | rahul: they are shit? |
| 16:04.02 | rahul | Nyle: duh |
| 16:04.07 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 16:04.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:04.09 | rpc | stew yes, everything that appeared there when i did that strace thing |
| 16:04.13 | infester | TetsuoShima: sure its not suppose to be nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-amd64? |
| 16:04.26 | TetsuoShima | it auto selected it |
| 16:04.31 | TetsuoShima | i used the one liner |
| 16:04.47 | rahul | nice, sun caged, threshold, opeth |
| 16:04.52 | Nyle | rahul: apparantly I'm paying for the slowest package, 768kbit down.. but they have given me the 5mbit or the 10mbit package for 6 months for free.. I'm not one to complain about free stuff... but at least it could hold up to its word |
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| 16:04.59 | TetsuoShima | do i just edit the text after install, where it says nvidia-kernel-**** |
| 16:05.01 | Nyle | opeth sucks balls |
| 16:05.02 | enouf | iturk: http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html might also help with dd_rescue |
| 16:05.06 | rahul | heh |
| 16:05.11 | enouf | stoner :-p |
| 16:05.12 | rahul | opeth is rather boring, yeah |
| 16:05.14 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm, guess I will just move to unstable instead of lenny |
| 16:05.19 | TetsuoShima | ***** being something other that whats up there but im not remembering what it is |
| 16:05.22 | Nyle | all those bands with faggy vocals like soilword and old mans child etc. etc. and in flames |
| 16:05.30 | Nyle | god i hate inflames faggy suburban metal |
| 16:05.34 | Nyle | grr. |
| 16:05.39 | stew | rpc: this can't be the entire output, it has to have done stuff like look at /etc/preload.../etc/ld.so.*... |
| 16:05.39 | rahul | suburban? they're sweedish, heh |
| 16:05.44 | infester | in flames rox, especially because theyre swedish |
| 16:05.45 | iturk | enouf: ok thanks i am going to reiniciate X now |
| 16:05.58 | TetsuoShima | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 16:06.04 | TetsuoShima | no such lick :( |
| 16:06.04 | rahul | but yeah, only for the weak is really their only good song |
| 16:06.06 | Nyle | infester: Spawn of Possession, Visceral Bleeding are also swedish and the rock harder than anyone i know |
| 16:06.11 | Nyle | anyway |
| 16:06.16 | TetsuoShima | wait, wtf. i put an 8 in there..... |
| 16:06.17 | Nyle | 2mbit down is still not bad |
| 16:06.19 | haxality_ | it's the weather. |
| 16:06.24 | infester | Nyle: never heard of :) |
| 16:06.30 | haxality_ | you can't live in sweden and not be at least a little pissed at the world. |
| 16:06.31 | abrotman | #music ? |
| 16:06.34 | rahul | 2mbit down is weak |
| 16:06.35 | haxality_ | heh. |
| 16:06.41 | rahul | Nyle: how much are you paying? |
| 16:06.45 | infester | haxality_: whys that? |
| 16:06.53 | Dave2 | Sweden was too hot the one time I was there |
| 16:07.03 | Nyle | rahul: indeed.. 100$ for all 3 services, 250 digital cable channels, phone, and internet |
| 16:07.08 | rahul | Dave2: you were looking at the tall blondes too much |
| 16:07.09 | Nyle | 108$ with tax etc. |
| 16:07.13 | rahul | Nyle: hrm, that's ok, then |
| 16:07.18 | haxality_ | haha, well, infester, I was gonna say the weather, but I guess I'll change it to the fact that the sun comes and goes as it pleases |
| 16:07.18 | TetsuoShima | !google update apt |
| 16:07.19 | dmilith | Results for update apt on Google: |
| 16:07.19 | dmilith | -- |
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| 16:07.41 | haxality_ | TetsuoShima, open a terminal. su. type 'aptitude update'. |
| 16:07.46 | rahul | Nyle: I'm paying $45 for my internet access only. but TV is free with the building |
| 16:07.57 | simonrvn | /kick dmilith |
| 16:07.58 | rahul | and phone is just my cell |
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| 16:08.06 | TetsuoShima | thanks. i tried to find it myself tho |
| 16:08.07 | Nyle | rahul: I was paying 100$ in oklahoma city to cox comm. for the same 3 services, however I was never below 8mbit. Usually it went full speed around 10mbit or so everyday all day |
| 16:08.10 | TetsuoShima | :) |
| 16:08.27 | infester | haxality_: :) well, i always did complain before, especially about the temperature... but now when there is this troublesome pollen thing going on in the air i just cant wait for the snow etc :/ |
| 16:08.27 | rahul | Nyle: digital cable, too? |
| 16:08.27 | stew | dmilith: can you please turn off whatever that script is? |
| 16:08.28 | Octopssy | How to let terminal listen as a proxy, does anyone know? Something like port fwd tunneling? |
| 16:08.28 | Nyle | rahul: rahul yup |
| 16:08.28 | Nyle | er. |
| 16:08.29 | stew | dmilith: owner |
| 16:08.31 | rahul | er? |
| 16:08.37 | haxality_ | yeah man, the pollen is killer pretty much everywhere right now |
| 16:08.39 | Nyle | er..one rahul |
| 16:08.41 | Nyle | not two |
| 16:08.45 | haxality_ | I can't remember the last time I actually smelled the air |
| 16:08.48 | rahul | two? |
| 16:08.52 | rahul | where do you get two? |
| 16:08.55 | Nyle | pea brain |
| 16:08.57 | Nyle | shush |
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| 16:09.10 | rahul | hmm, this opeth song is decent |
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| 16:09.21 | Nyle | ototototot! |
| 16:09.31 | rahul | toottoottoot |
| 16:09.33 | Nyle | abrotman the ot police will bust you.. give you a ticket |
| 16:09.49 | rahul | at least it's not because of my skin color |
| 16:09.53 | TetsuoShima | when using aptget, how do i define an alternate mirror |
| 16:09.53 | abrotman | would you rather i ask ops to force you to #-ot ? |
| 16:09.56 | Nyle | yeh what ws just wrong |
| 16:10.19 | infester | haxality_: mm, and the meds refuses to test me for which my eyes does not get acquainted with :( |
| 16:10.32 | Nyle | rahul: answer the man |
| 16:10.33 | rahul | TetsuoShima: alternate? you can put as many sources as you like, but they're merged |
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| 16:10.50 | rahul | Nyle: which man? abrotman? |
| 16:10.51 | haxality_ | infester, ouch. that sucks. want me to mail you some flonase? :P |
| 16:10.57 | Nyle | yup, that man |
| 16:11.01 | rahul | I assume that was a rhetorical question :P |
| 16:11.14 | Nyle | im just instigating shit.. hehe, i stop. |
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| 16:11.32 | rahul | I'll shove a ticket up your arse! |
| 16:11.46 | haxality_ | brb. |
| 16:11.48 | infester | haxality_: :D |
| 16:11.52 | infester | :/ |
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| 16:12.08 | TetsuoShima | hmm. someone said try using a different mirror. i was just wondering how to do so |
| 16:12.18 | Nyle | im gonna go do another bandwidth test from a non wifi machine. the machine hooked directly to the router on the cable modem.. |
| 16:12.21 | rahul | TetsuoShima: change the sources.list to have that mirror instead |
| 16:12.52 | yacc | Anyone got an idea how to make udev on Debian create /dev/kqemu? *wonder* |
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| 16:13.30 | TetsuoShima | i am a super noob. how do i do that? im trying to use apt-get |
| 16:13.37 | rahul | TetsuoShima: man sources.list |
| 16:13.42 | haxality_ | ok. this is blowing my mind. |
| 16:13.44 | TetsuoShima | thank you |
| 16:13.55 | haxality_ | I have added everything to my xorg.conf and my mouse still won't scroll. |
| 16:13.58 | haxality_ | it's a bit frustrating. |
| 16:14.04 | h3sp4wn | yacc: KERNEL=="kqemu", NAME="%k", MODE="0666" |
| 16:14.26 | h3sp4wn | yacc: (adjust the mode as you see fit put in a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 16:14.50 | Nyle | haxality_: you've added ZaxisMapping 4 5 or 5 4 whichever direction you want it to scroll in? |
| 16:14.56 | haxality_ | yes, Nyle. |
| 16:15.12 | stew | haxality_: how many buttons does "xmodmap -pp" indicate? |
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| 16:15.16 | enouf | haxality_: mmodprobed the logitech driver? |
| 16:15.16 | TetsuoShima | are all the mirrors perfectly synched? |
| 16:15.30 | haxality_ | stew, 14. |
| 16:15.31 | rahul | TetsuoShima: nothing is perfect |
| 16:15.34 | enouf | ouch |
| 16:15.35 | stew | TetsuoShima: the SHOULD be, but sometimes things go wrong for a day or two |
| 16:15.38 | stew | woah |
| 16:15.41 | TetsuoShima | is ee |
| 16:15.41 | Nyle | 14 |
| 16:15.45 | Nyle | doggamn |
| 16:15.46 | TetsuoShima | i see* |
| 16:15.58 | enouf | what is that thang? .. a space ship? |
| 16:15.59 | haxality_ | enouf, would have, if I knew what the module name was :P |
| 16:16.01 | Nyle | I have 5 :) |
| 16:16.03 | rahul | wtf |
| 16:16.06 | rahul | 14?!? |
| 16:16.14 | enouf | haxality_: modprobe -l | grep log |
| 16:16.24 | haxality_ | it's a logitech. it has like 9 buttons |
| 16:16.24 | rahul | they make space cadet mice these days, I guess |
| 16:16.38 | Nyle | haxality_: what model mouse? |
| 16:16.41 | rahul | hextuple mouse-bucky drag |
| 16:16.42 | haxality_ | MX500 |
| 16:16.45 | stew | haxality_: are 4 and 5 mapped to 4 an 5 in the output of xmodmap -pp? |
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| 16:17.12 | enouf | haxality_: logibm it appears |
| 16:17.30 | enouf | description: Logitech busmouse driver |
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| 16:17.39 | haxality_ | FATAL: Error inserting logibm (/lib/modules/2.6.20-ck1/kernel/drivers/input/mouse/logibm.ko): No such device |
| 16:17.52 | stew | haxality_: run xev and make sure the scroll wheel is actually generating mouse 4/5 events and not some higher number |
| 16:17.57 | haxality_ | ok. |
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| 16:18.07 | enouf | well .. follow stew then .. this is debian? on 2.6.20-ck1? . hrm |
| 16:18.14 | Nyle | http://www.glaurung.demon.co.uk/info/linux.mx500.howto.html <-- haxality_ |
| 16:18.17 | stew | haxality_: what protocol/device did you specify in xorg.conf? |
| 16:18.21 | Nyle | haxality_: you've consulted online docs? |
| 16:18.31 | haxality_ | wow, flood, heh |
| 16:18.36 | haxality_ | yes, I have consulted online docs. |
| 16:18.44 | haxality_ | I used both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice |
| 16:18.46 | haxality_ | neither worked |
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| 16:19.30 | stew | haxality_: which protocol? |
| 16:19.31 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.35 | wols_ | doh |
| 16:20.02 | haxality_ | protocol is PS/2... |
| 16:20.07 | enouf | haxality_: does lsmod | grep mouse show psmouse/mousedev ? |
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| 16:20.20 | enouf | or is that a USB nmouse? |
| 16:20.22 | haxality_ | enouf, no. |
| 16:20.25 | stew | haxality_: PS/2 doesn't support scrolling afaik, use IMPS/2 or Explorer |
| 16:20.29 | haxality_ | doh. |
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| 16:20.51 | stew | haxality_: (i believe /dev/input/mice / Exploere are recommended) make sure you have psmouse loaded and mousedev (if they are built as modules) |
| 16:20.52 | yacc | h3sp4wn: I did that, I did a /etc/init.d/udev reload, and on modprobe kqemu nothing happens. udevmonitor shows the adding: /module/kqemu/drivers and /module/kqemu |
| 16:21.05 | haxality_ | alright, I think this should sort it out. |
| 16:21.07 | haxality_ | thanks a lot, guys. |
| 16:21.13 | Nyle | haxality_: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Scrollwheel stuff here too concerning mx500 |
| 16:21.17 | haxality_ | that was probably the fastest linux assistance I've ever recieved. |
| 16:21.25 | gbw | hello, i know i am wrong here, but dont know where to ask, so: is it possible to get from 2 different certificates the same hash? |
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| 16:21.50 | Nyle | gbw: at least you're not gwb |
| 16:21.58 | \amethyst | gbw: theoretically |
| 16:22.12 | \amethyst | gbw: But the chances are really really slim |
| 16:22.35 | gbw | \amethyst, i have 2 certificates here with the same hash |
| 16:22.40 | stew | gbw: what exactly do you mean by getting a has from a certificate? |
| 16:22.43 | stew | hash* |
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| 16:22.53 | TetsuoShima | what is a .sig file? |
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| 16:23.06 | gbw | stew, openssl x509 -in cert.pem -hash -noout |
| 16:23.06 | TetsuoShima | err, i ment .dsc |
| 16:23.09 | stew | TetsuoShima: be more specific |
| 16:23.13 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: signature file |
| 16:23.24 | TetsuoShima | and that is what? |
| 16:23.27 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: you usually appent as a signature in emails |
| 16:23.29 | TetsuoShima | im just curious |
| 16:23.30 | Nyle | i think |
| 16:23.31 | stew | TetsuoShima: "debian source control" its a file which tells you which other files make up a debian source package and their md5 sums |
| 16:23.44 | gniretar_work | ahhh!! I hate Red Hat sooo much.... I wish there were better vitalization tools for Debian. i wouldnt have to use CentOS |
| 16:23.52 | Nyle | dsc is a description file or a debian source control file or even a shockwave flash |
| 16:23.55 | Nyle | I think so |
| 16:23.55 | h3sp4wn | yacc: Cannot understand it (that worked for me) |
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| 16:24.06 | gbw | stew, thats what i mean |
| 16:24.17 | stew | TetsuoShima: its a human readable file, look at it and see |
| 16:24.18 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: google for file extention info etc. |
| 16:24.28 | TetsuoShima | why cant nvidia just make an installer that works...... |
| 16:24.44 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: why not use the debian method of compiling the nvidia kernel module |
| 16:25.12 | TetsuoShima | because im an idiot and would crash the entire debian site lol |
| 16:25.27 | Nyle | !tell TetsuoShima -about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:25.36 | TetsuoShima | sigh |
| 16:25.39 | Nyle | it is quite trivial if you follow directions and read |
| 16:25.44 | TetsuoShima | when i do that i get an error |
| 16:25.53 | Nyle | then tell us the error |
| 16:26.01 | h3sp4wn | Is there a webpage that lists the upcoming transitions for sid (I think I have seen one before) |
| 16:26.05 | TetsuoShima | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 16:26.34 | enouf | parted_1.7.1-2.1.dsc: PGP armored data signed message |
| 16:26.38 | TetsuoShima | i tried changing it to 2.6.8 and got the same error |
| 16:26.49 | \amethyst | gbw: openssl x509 -hash prints the hash of the subject name |
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| 16:27.29 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: what did you do from beginning? it just says package not found .. but you're supposed to compile the nvidia kernel module yourself |
| 16:27.30 | yos87 | Hi |
| 16:27.37 | TetsuoShima | what i thought about doing is finding the file on me own, then upload it to my ftp and change my mirrors to there |
| 16:27.38 | \amethyst | gbw: what does openssl x509 -subject -nout -in <foo> say about the two certs? |
| 16:27.48 | \amethyst | err, s/nout/noout/ |
| 16:27.48 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: did you mix ... what? |
| 16:27.54 | Nyle | no. man |
| 16:28.03 | enouf | TetsuoShima: tell Nyle about your orig issues using .20 kernel |
| 16:28.11 | TetsuoShima | huh? |
| 16:28.27 | gbw | ohh, i am an idiot |
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| 16:28.30 | enouf | TetsuoShima: nevermind .. maybe someone else .. my bad |
| 16:28.32 | gbw | they are the same |
| 16:28.37 | TetsuoShima | must have been' |
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| 16:28.47 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: can you tell me exactly what you did? |
| 16:29.10 | TetsuoShima | did with what? he was referring to someone else |
| 16:29.12 | yos87 | I have probelm, when I make apt-get update after loading I have error gpg error the following signature counldn't be verified because the public key is naot available, somebody can help me? |
| 16:29.13 | \amethyst | gbw: they could be different certs for the same subject (say, one self-signed and one signed by Thawte) |
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| 16:29.40 | simonrvn | yos87: /topic |
| 16:29.41 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: ok it seems like you don't want to be helped. I'm sorry I tried to help you. |
| 16:29.46 | undesktop | is there a way to get rid of all these useless texlive-lang-* packages? |
| 16:29.54 | gbw | \amethyst, i have two self signed with same subject ^^ me dumbass |
| 16:29.54 | TetsuoShima | i havent done anything yet aside from try their installers |
| 16:29.55 | Nyle | undesktop: remove them? |
| 16:29.58 | TetsuoShima | sorry, i type slow |
| 16:29.59 | simonrvn | remove them? |
| 16:30.02 | \amethyst | undesktop: don't install texlive-full ? |
| 16:30.13 | yos87 | simonrvn: what /topic? |
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| 16:30.23 | simonrvn | the one in this channel... |
| 16:30.28 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:30.34 | TetsuoShima | all ive done is tried their installers and tried their xconfig tool |
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| 16:30.41 | TetsuoShima | both failed drasticly |
| 16:30.46 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: don't do that |
| 16:30.50 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: well duh |
| 16:30.55 | undesktop | hm... when I tried first to remove texlive-lang packages, it wanted to remove everything of texlive... looks like that changed |
| 16:31.04 | TetsuoShima | how was i supposed to know? |
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| 16:31.11 | yacc | h3sp4wn: That's why I wonder how to debug it. |
| 16:31.14 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: remove everything nvidia related from your system and then come back and i'll tell you how to get it working |
| 16:31.24 | Rockj | how can a normal user on a system run something that's listning on ports under 1024? |
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| 16:31.37 | simonrvn | they don't |
| 16:31.38 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: nvidia's official installers worked much better than the debian package for me--the debian package is hopelessly out of date, even in testing |
| 16:31.39 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: thats the problem with noobs, they blindly type commands and do stuff without reading or otherwise understanding things |
| 16:31.49 | simonrvn | and they can't |
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| 16:31.54 | \amethyst | Rockj: by using a setuid helper to bind the port |
| 16:31.57 | TetsuoShima | i did read |
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| 16:32.02 | coz_ | hello all |
| 16:32.04 | TetsuoShima | i followed the instructions on their site |
| 16:32.05 | Nyle | coz_: hi |
| 16:32.06 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: even in unstable, actually |
| 16:32.11 | Nyle | coz_: stoned here :) |
| 16:32.13 | coz_ | Nyle, hey guy |
| 16:32.16 | coz_ | lol |
| 16:32.20 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.22 | Nyle | whats up man, nice to see you in #debian finally |
| 16:32.23 | K|NgGh0sT | oh jesus |
| 16:32.24 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 16:32.25 | K|NgGh0sT | I broke debian! |
| 16:32.26 | Nyle | simonrvn: awe :( |
| 16:32.29 | K|NgGh0sT | sweet! |
| 16:32.33 | rahul | haha |
| 16:32.40 | TetsuoShima | carluva you use i386 im guessing |
| 16:32.43 | coz_ | actually i want to switch to debian but have been having some road blocks most particularly the wacom tablet drivers not being defaul tin xorg |
| 16:32.45 | rahul | !penixstrike simonrvn |
| 16:32.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:32.46 | Rockj | \amethyst: can you point me into a direction of one? Trying to get tomcat5.5 to run as standalone on port 80. |
| 16:32.52 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: i686 |
| 16:33.00 | rahul | coz_: what do you mean default? they're installed |
| 16:33.08 | CarLuva | I know you're using 64-bit, so I suppose that could mess things up |
| 16:33.09 | TetsuoShima | yea, i use amd64. |
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| 16:33.22 | enouf | !break K|NgGh0sT |
| 16:33.25 | coz_ | rahul, well ok I elieve you but have hd no luck enabling them at all I have tried all the how tos |
| 16:33.27 | Nyle | is the official nvidia installer for amd64 as well? |
| 16:33.38 | Nyle | I've never tried it so i don't know.. I just use whatever is in debian |
| 16:33.43 | h3sp4wn | Nyle: yep |
| 16:33.48 | \amethyst | Rockj: not likely to work |
| 16:33.54 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: I just got back from a meeting...what exactly is the problem? |
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| 16:33.57 | TetsuoShima | and when i try theirs, the furthest i got was it telling me that the kernel i need doesnt exist. ok, im off to try to find out how to remove all this nvidia junk |
| 16:34.02 | \amethyst | Rockj: I mean, a wrapper program like that, for something like tomcat |
| 16:34.34 | Nyle | TetsuoShima: remove it all and then use !nvidia one-liner unless you need specifically features from the latest nvidia driver |
| 16:34.42 | Rockj | \amethyst: ohh, I know a friend solved it with running tomcat on high port and made a iptables redirect from 80 to that port - but thats abit bad way todo it or? |
| 16:34.54 | simonrvn | Rockj: not at all |
| 16:35.08 | Rockj | so I should stick with the iptables sollution then? |
| 16:35.16 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, unstable broke mine :) |
| 16:35.28 | rahul | coz_: you should just need an input device section for it... |
| 16:35.41 | enouf | Nyle: have you reviewed the one-liner lately? .. i think that and some others migh have been altered not too long ago .. |
| 16:35.42 | TetsuoShima | nyle, im tryin dude. i just gotta find out how to remove it first. give me time please |
| 16:35.49 | coz_ | rahul, well I did try that also but no go even a reconfigure of the wacom source and again nothing |
| 16:35.54 | \amethyst | Rockj: Either that or run apache---and the iptables solution is a bit more lightweight :) |
| 16:36.02 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: that's the way it work in soviet russia ;-) |
| 16:36.02 | rahul | coz_: maybe you need a kernel driver for it? |
| 16:36.11 | \amethyst | Rockj: apache+mod_jk that is |
| 16:36.26 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: run the installer with --remove, if I remember correctly |
| 16:36.31 | Rockj | \amethyst: I'll stick with iptables. mod_jk made enough troubles thru many years here at our studentunion. |
| 16:36.54 | Rockj | \amethyst: talking about tomcat is like..a nightmare for all tech's :p |
| 16:36.57 | TetsuoShima | its worth a shot at this point |
| 16:37.11 | coz_ | rahul, well apparently that is the case because i know it is not in debian eth by default all the how to talk abou tinstalling it but again I have had no luck i was hoping one of you guys would know of a good how to for this speicifically because I would prefer debain over ubuntu at this point |
| 16:37.13 | enouf | doesn't the nvidia.com installer also bury shit sporadically about the HDD, that you need togo and hunt down, kill, and purge?? |
| 16:37.37 | Rockj | \amethyst: Thanks btw :) |
| 16:37.48 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: I meant the nvidia driver installer, BTW |
| 16:37.57 | enouf | TetsuoShima: it might be an "-uninstall" flag for nvidia.com's mess |
| 16:38.02 | TetsuoShima | i assumed that much |
| 16:38.04 | h3sp4wn | enouf: makes a complete mess (overwrites stuff from mesa etc) |
| 16:38.04 | K|NgGh0sT | enouf, Trying to get nvidia installed on unstable |
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| 16:38.21 | enouf | h3sp4wn: okay then .. confirmed! ;-) |
| 16:38.25 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: enouf is right, it's --uninstall |
| 16:38.38 | TetsuoShima | so sh file --uninstall? |
| 16:38.46 | enouf | K|NgGh0sT: /msg dpkg nfc ;-) |
| 16:39.36 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: yes |
| 16:39.51 | \amethyst | Rockj: Another possibility it some wrapper using capabilities, maybe a combination of sucap and execcap |
| 16:39.51 | K|NgGh0sT | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 16:39.54 | K|NgGh0sT | Thats awesome |
| 16:39.57 | K|NgGh0sT | That makes my day |
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| 16:40.15 | CarLuva | boy, nvidia is the topic of conversation here today! |
| 16:40.26 | simonrvn | WTF! a page entirely created via javascript? |
| 16:40.37 | simonrvn | can anyone say braindead? |
| 16:40.39 | \amethyst | Rockj: So it gives up all capabilities other than CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE, then becomes the tomcat user without giving up that capability |
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| 16:40.47 | K|NgGh0sT | CarLuva, I've been having nvidia/xorg issues for a month |
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| 16:40.56 | CarLuva | K|NgGh0sT: I see |
| 16:40.57 | \amethyst | simonrvn: google maps? |
| 16:41.02 | cahoot | K|NgGh0sT: however politically incorrect: I've used nvidias installer in sid for 4 months w/o any problem |
| 16:41.10 | cydork | simonrvn: huh? |
| 16:41.18 | simonrvn | they have *some* real html, even if server side generated |
| 16:41.19 | K|NgGh0sT | I might resort to it |
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| 16:41.24 | CarLuva | K|NgGh0sT: I finally got my nvidia/xorg issues sorted out just about a month ago... |
| 16:41.25 | K|NgGh0sT | cause this is bs |
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| 16:41.34 | K|NgGh0sT | I havent had X for over a month |
| 16:41.38 | K|NgGh0sT | and this is my HTPC |
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| 16:41.44 | Rockj | \amethyst: I'll note it down in my memory , ill stick with the easy sollution for now. |
| 16:41.52 | CarLuva | K|NgGh0sT: what card do you have? |
| 16:41.58 | \amethyst | simonrvn: innerhtml or do they build up the DOM by hand? |
| 16:42.01 | K|NgGh0sT | 5900FX |
| 16:42.07 | simonrvn | \amethyst: www.nvidia.com/ |
| 16:42.07 | TetsuoShima | it said there are no nvidia drivers currently installed |
| 16:42.16 | simonrvn | view source |
| 16:42.18 | CarLuva | K|NgGh0sT: okay, then the nvidia installer in sid might work for you |
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| 16:42.32 | simonrvn | in a text browser that doesn't do js, like w3m |
| 16:42.45 | K|NgGh0sT | the one liner for post-etch doesnt work |
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| 16:43.59 | simonrvn | blank page... |
| 16:43.59 | CarLuva | sid doesn't have the intermediate legacy drivers--only the newest and the really old legacy, so I have to use nvidia's own installer |
| 16:44.00 | simonrvn | i need the -legacy ones too... |
| 16:44.00 | \amethyst | simonrvn: not here |
| 16:44.00 | TetsuoShima | heres whats got me. when i switch to the nv drivers, my resolution goes to 1024x768, but i cant go past the login screen unless i use that window mode thing |
| 16:44.00 | simonrvn | s,i,X, |
| 16:44.03 | simonrvn | \amethyst: in a text browser that doesn't do js, like w3m |
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| 16:44.04 | CarLuva | TetsuoShima: oh, you don't even have the working nv drivers? |
| 16:44.06 | norbert_ | hi, question: I just apt-get installed gspca-modules-2.6-vserver-686 and booted into the .18bigmem kernel; it appears the webcam applications are not working yet; should I insert a module or...? |
| 16:44.46 | simonrvn | \amethyst: that's just bad web "design" |
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| 16:45.26 | simonrvn | acually, it's borked in iceape... hahah |
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| 16:46.25 | \amethyst | simonrvn: w3m, links2 -enable-javascript 0, lynx, elinks, all give me content |
| 16:46.37 | TetsuoShima | i have a geforce fx 5200. im quite sure it runs on legecy drivers. but when i switch drivers in the xorg.conf i get the problem i described above |
| 16:46.41 | K|NgGh0sT | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run dont even work |
| 16:46.44 | K|NgGh0sT | They dont like my drivers |
| 16:46.48 | MaikBeckmann | I just managed to install the nvidia 1.0.9755 driver using make-kpkg... so my knowledge is fresh |
| 16:46.55 | K|NgGh0sT | er kernel |
| 16:47.00 | MaikBeckmann | how needs help? |
| 16:47.04 | MaikBeckmann | who |
| 16:47.12 | K|NgGh0sT | Me |
| 16:47.20 | K|NgGh0sT | make nvidia work on unstable ;) |
| 16:47.32 | MaikBeckmann | yes |
| 16:47.39 | MaikBeckmann | thats what i did |
| 16:47.39 | TetsuoShima | no |
| 16:47.48 | TetsuoShima | make nvidia work, period |
| 16:47.50 | MaikBeckmann | kernel 2.6.20 |
| 16:47.51 | TetsuoShima | >.< |
| 16:48.16 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, Unstable still makes me use 2.6.18-4 |
| 16:48.19 | simonrvn | \amethyst: ah, well i don't enable js in w3m |
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| 16:48.30 | simonrvn | but still bad web design |
| 16:48.36 | TetsuoShima | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
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| 16:48.44 | \amethyst | simonrvn: I'm saying I can see content at www.nvidia.com with a javascript-disabled browser |
| 16:48.46 | TetsuoShima | thats getting on my nerves |
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| 16:48.57 | simonrvn | CarLuva: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7185.html for legacy? |
| 16:49.08 | simonrvn | \amethyst: the home page? |
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| 16:49.22 | MaikBeckmann | I compiled the kernel and the nvidia-module |
| 16:49.28 | TetsuoShima | how do i switch to single user? i forget |
| 16:49.36 | simonrvn | init 1 |
| 16:49.37 | CarLuva | simonrvn: that's the really old legacy |
| 16:49.40 | TetsuoShima | ty |
| 16:49.50 | itguru | If a DVD plays on a DVD player, and in a PC with DVD player software - does it not stand to reason that the DVD should be ripable? It has no protection on it. After about 50 megs, i get read errors, but i don't get errors when playing the damn thing |
| 16:49.54 | TetsuoShima | and back is 4, correct? |
| 16:49.58 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yes, there are a bunch of menus, following them brings me to pages with menus and content |
| 16:49.58 | simonrvn | CarLuva: says april 20 2007 on the page... |
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| 16:50.09 | TetsuoShima | 420? |
| 16:50.24 | simonrvn | Release Date: April 20, 2007 |
| 16:50.30 | CarLuva | simonrvn: yes, but it's the 7xxx legacy |
| 16:50.35 | h3sp4wn | CarLuva: If you want 9631 you can get it from snapshot.debian.net (experimental) |
| 16:50.43 | simonrvn | CarLuva: that means nothing to me |
| 16:50.45 | CarLuva | simonrvn: newer cards use 9631 |
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| 16:50.59 | CarLuva | h3sp4wn: I have nvidia working perfectly for me |
| 16:51.05 | undesktop | why is this texlive shit so awfully slow to install? |
| 16:51.10 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, wanna give me instructions on howto do taht |
| 16:51.19 | cwheeler | I used the drivers from nvidia.com, they work fine |
| 16:51.22 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 16:51.40 | cwheeler | alas the ones in the debian package are 2 revs old :( |
| 16:51.43 | h3sp4wn | perfect means no hassle if you get an X update (at least for unstable) |
| 16:52.11 | MaikBeckmann | first install the source tree |
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| 16:52.14 | MaikBeckmann | aptitude install linux-tree-2.6.20 |
| 16:52.30 | simonrvn | CarLuva: and yes, i have a tnt2 |
| 16:53.00 | CarLuva | simonrvn: oh, in that case, yes, you need the 71xx driver you linked |
| 16:53.08 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, done |
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| 16:53.29 | MaikBeckmann | cd /usr/src && tar xjf linux-source-2.6.20.tar.bz2 |
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| 16:55.00 | jovans | hello i have downloaded the netisntall of etch i think 160 mb or so but i cannot install (no network card detected please load a driver floppy) i have a realtek on board |
| 16:56.01 | jovans | what can i do? |
| 16:57.20 | MaikBeckmann | ping |
| 16:57.43 | Eulex | pong |
| 16:57.45 | simonrvn | they should clarify their language then |
| 16:57.47 | Jasperw | can anyone help with samba printing problems? a charity i volenteer at had a Dell printer fixed and now i can't print to it from the windows machines, the cups test page from the cups webinterface works, so i know the debian server can talk to the printer, but i'm havint problems getting comprehensible logging out of samba that might help me understand why windows refuses to print. |
| 16:57.54 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, Whats next |
| 16:58.00 | MaikBeckmann | ln -s linux-source-2.6.20 linux && cd liunx |
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| 16:58.28 | K|NgGh0sT | k |
| 16:58.30 | undesktop | This may take some time... *SIGH* |
| 16:58.33 | MaikBeckmann | now the funny part follows |
| 16:58.52 | K|NgGh0sT | it better be funny |
| 16:59.00 | CarLuva | simonrvn: you're telling me |
| 16:59.56 | scarface | okay I've added vnc to /etc/services and /etc/inetd.conf and did a update-inetd --enable vncname from /etc/services and reboot... how do I know if the service is up and running? |
| 17:00.36 | MaikBeckmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.39 | MaikBeckmann | find|xargs grep "EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(paravirt_ops)" |
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| 17:01.21 | MaikBeckmann | AFAIF the name of the file is arch/i386/kernel/paravirt.c |
| 17:01.22 | simonrvn | that 'linux' symlink is not needed |
| 17:01.30 | K|NgGh0sT | ./linux-source-2.6.20/arch/i386/kernel/paravirt.c |
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| 17:01.49 | MaikBeckmann | nano ./linux-source-2.6.20/arch/i386/kernel/paravirt.c |
| 17:01.57 | K|NgGh0sT | did it |
| 17:02.10 | MaikBeckmann | EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL to EXPORT_SYMBOL |
| 17:02.12 | jovans | so nobody an idea? |
| 17:02.17 | K|NgGh0sT | Already changed it |
| 17:02.18 | MaikBeckmann | okay? |
| 17:02.22 | MaikBeckmann | okay |
| 17:02.25 | MaikBeckmann | cd linux |
| 17:02.40 | K|NgGh0sT | no dir |
| 17:03.03 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 17:03.04 | MaikBeckmann | cd linux-source-2.6.20 |
| 17:03.19 | K|NgGh0sT | k |
| 17:03.55 | MaikBeckmann | make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 kernel_image |
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| 17:04.19 | K|NgGh0sT | Failed to create a ./debian directory: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 1096. |
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| 17:04.35 | MaikBeckmann | hm |
| 17:04.41 | MaikBeckmann | post `pwd` |
| 17:04.54 | dogmeat | which util converts wma to mp3? |
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| 17:05.01 | K|NgGh0sT | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20 |
| 17:05.33 | simonrvn | dogmeat: not recommended. extreme loss of quality |
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| 17:05.45 | MaikBeckmann | try make-kpkg clean |
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| 17:05.49 | grendal_prime | what would cause apache2 to not display .png files? |
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| 17:06.05 | K|NgGh0sT | k |
| 17:06.07 | K|NgGh0sT | done |
| 17:06.25 | K|NgGh0sT | /usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:98: *** Please create a .config file. Stop. |
| 17:06.26 | lvalue | hi, is there some tray program that would be able to "minimize to tray" any application ? |
| 17:06.38 | MaikBeckmann | ahh |
| 17:06.40 | MaikBeckmann | sorry |
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| 17:06.48 | MaikBeckmann | you have to do |
| 17:06.51 | MaikBeckmann | make menuconfig |
| 17:07.07 | MaikBeckmann | i missed that |
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| 17:07.45 | rahul | lvalue: minimize is a WM operation, not a floating window's thing |
| 17:07.49 | plb | arghh damn libjack! broken in unstable screwed up mplayer |
| 17:07.53 | K|NgGh0sT | what do I select? |
| 17:07.55 | MaikBeckmann | just type >>make menuconfig<< and exit , so a .config file will be made |
| 17:07.58 | MaikBeckmann | nothing |
| 17:08.00 | simonrvn | good, they did fix it properly |
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| 17:08.05 | MaikBeckmann | just exit |
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| 17:08.33 | lvalue | rahul, ok, but you understand what i'm searching for ? |
| 17:08.37 | rahul | lvalue: sure, read your WM's docs |
| 17:08.42 | bloodskin | what is gcc? |
| 17:08.54 | rahul | er |
| 17:08.54 | rahul | !gcc |
| 17:08.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc |
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| 17:09.00 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, I did the make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 kernel_image |
| 17:09.07 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 17:09.14 | MaikBeckmann | know ... wait |
| 17:09.15 | MaikBeckmann | ;) |
| 17:09.21 | MaikBeckmann | now wait |
| 17:09.31 | bloodskin | ty |
| 17:09.32 | MaikBeckmann | oh man, my english... |
| 17:10.01 | undesktop | just btw... why does dist-upgrade on the current Debian unstable want to remove all KDE packages? |
| 17:10.11 | xand | kde sucks? ;) |
| 17:10.16 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, ya its taking a while |
| 17:10.19 | lvalue | rahul, what? should i read the gnome docs ? :) why would i need to read the docs when it's an application i'm searching for :) |
| 17:10.31 | rahul | . . . |
| 17:10.39 | MaikBeckmann | after this you run >>make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 modules_image<< |
| 17:10.43 | rahul | lvalue: read the docs of whatever WM you're using, not gnome |
| 17:10.57 | MaikBeckmann | ahh |
| 17:11.00 | MaikBeckmann | no it won't |
| 17:11.01 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: are you running it as a normal user? (and I hope you do so), you'd have to add a --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 17:11.11 | MaikBeckmann | you have to install the nvidia-kernel sources |
| 17:11.19 | lvalue | rahul, you obviously don't understand the nature of my question, so never mind |
| 17:11.26 | bloodskin | nvidia = the devil |
| 17:11.39 | rahul | lvalue: I do. it has to involve your WM |
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| 17:11.48 | rahul | lvalue: but whatever, have fun. |
| 17:12.12 | Octopssy | Which cmd shows a list of all users on the system incl. their grp |
| 17:12.20 | MaikBeckmann | enter: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 17:13.00 | simonrvn | Octopssy: id |
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| 17:13.06 | BloodSkin | WOOOOO!!!! found something for amd64 that isnt a dead link! |
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| 17:13.23 | Octopssy | tx |
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| 17:13.43 | stew | BloodSkin: what did you find that was a dead link? |
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| 17:13.48 | Octopssy | simonrvn: 'id' only shows uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) / |
| 17:13.57 | BloodSkin | the gnu compiler |
| 17:14.02 | MaikBeckmann | /K|NgGhOsT: did it? |
| 17:14.07 | BloodSkin | gcc or whatever |
| 17:14.13 | hark | BloodSkin: so decided to stick withh amd64 then? |
| 17:14.37 | BloodSkin | yea. i figured, to hell with it. ill FORCE it to work |
| 17:14.39 | stew | BloodSkin: gcc is a dead link? or are you talking about something else? |
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| 17:15.00 | BloodSkin | no, i said i found something for amd64 that WASNT a dead link |
| 17:15.12 | stew | BloodSkin: what did you find that was a dead link? |
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| 17:15.29 | stew | BloodSkin: is it a link that should be fixed? did you ask someone to fix it? |
| 17:15.30 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm running as su |
| 17:15.34 | lvalue | rahul, there seems to be a package: alltray - Dock any program into the system tray. this is what i was looking for, but thanks for sending me to read the gnome docs :) |
| 17:15.34 | BloodSkin | last night pretty much everything i went to in the wiki was dead |
| 17:15.43 | stew | BloodSkin: which wiki? |
| 17:15.52 | BloodSkin | i dont remember |
| 17:15.54 | rahul | lvalue: I said nothing about gnome |
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| 17:16.06 | BloodSkin | hionestly i think iwas looking at stuff that is no longer supported |
| 17:16.12 | rahul | lvalue: gnome is related to your 'tray', not your WM. |
| 17:16.13 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I'm running as root |
| 17:16.36 | rahul | lvalue: and swallowing is different from minimizing. |
| 17:16.56 | K|NgGh0sT | ffs |
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| 17:17.00 | K|NgGh0sT | server overheated |
| 17:17.04 | BloodSkin | lets try again |
| 17:17.10 | K|NgGh0sT | in the middle of that build |
| 17:17.11 | MaikBeckmann | /K|NgGh0sT open a new terminal and enter: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common && cd /usr/src && tar xzf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 17:17.16 | pablo_ | hi, which is the best open source java comiler and virtual machine? |
| 17:17.25 | lvalue | rahul, forgive me not to know all those terms |
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| 17:17.48 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, I havent upgraded kernels yet though |
| 17:17.59 | MaikBeckmann | no problem |
| 17:18.28 | K|NgGh0sT | do it anyways? |
| 17:18.31 | MaikBeckmann | nothing will be install when using make-kpkg |
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| 17:18.50 | K|NgGh0sT | it didnt update or download anything |
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| 17:19.51 | MaikBeckmann | after make-kpkg kernel_image you will have a linux-image..**..deb at /usr/src |
| 17:19.54 | plb | I have experiemental in my sources.list..how do I set it up so a dist-upgrade won't pull everything from there? |
| 17:20.19 | MaikBeckmann | you can't mess your installation |
| 17:21.10 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: first thing to learn: never build things as root. one bug in a script and you could end up with a mess |
| 17:21.20 | stew | plb: make sure apt-cache policy has it at an appropriate priority |
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| 17:21.48 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, you going to be here a bit? |
| 17:21.52 | bzed | doesn't experimental have a priority of 1 per default? |
| 17:21.57 | MaikBeckmann | yes |
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| 17:22.02 | HostilePenguin | it ok to do things from sudo? or not? |
| 17:22.06 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, I gotta run and ge compressed air |
| 17:22.13 | K|NgGh0sT | Comp is dying |
| 17:22.17 | bzed | HostilePenguin: that's the same as running under root |
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| 17:22.26 | bzed | HostilePenguin: if you want to build a package, use fakeroot |
| 17:22.41 | HostilePenguin | right |
| 17:22.53 | plb | stew: what am I looking for in that? It gives me a list |
| 17:23.01 | sid | gnome doesn't install on sid? |
| 17:23.21 | simonrvn | yes it does |
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| 17:23.48 | HostilePenguin | i read somewhere yesterday that it was safer to do things under sudo than su i didnt really understand |
| 17:23.50 | pablo_ | hi, which is the best open source java comiler and virtual machine? |
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| 17:25.01 | simonrvn | HostilePenguin: for one-off commands sudo is fine... su-ing is better for more involved tasks... always wise to log out of su to root after you're done |
| 17:25.40 | jabka | when i use 3d graphics i get sigsiv : nexuiz/planeshift |
| 17:26.03 | bloodskin | what folder is the logs folder in? |
| 17:26.07 | simonrvn | sigsiv? |
| 17:26.09 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 17:26.13 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 17:26.13 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 17:26.29 | bloodskin | ty |
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| 17:26.42 | jabka | sigsev = sigmentation fault |
| 17:26.47 | norbert_ | hi, question: I just apt-get installed gspca-modules-2.6-vserver-686 and booted into the .18bigmem kernel; it appears the webcam applications are not working yet; should I insert a module or...? |
| 17:27.05 | jabka | also known as error 11 |
| 17:27.06 | simonrvn | every time i use folder i cringe, when using some non-*nix "os" |
| 17:27.13 | simonrvn | SIGSEGV |
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| 17:27.33 | jabka | oops typo . |
| 17:27.34 | simonrvn | SEGmentation fault |
| 17:27.45 | rahul | SEGmentation Violation |
| 17:27.52 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 17:28.02 | rahul | precisely |
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| 17:28.10 | simonrvn | honestly |
| 17:28.16 | HostilePenguin | i dont understand all the su and root differences |
| 17:28.19 | bloodskin | !libc |
| 17:28.19 | dpkg | methinks libc is A whopping big collection of libraries that you need if you're going to do anything on your system beyond init. |
| 17:28.47 | bloodskin | !libc development package |
| 17:28.59 | bloodskin | arg |
| 17:29.04 | simonrvn | !tell bloodskin -about search |
| 17:29.14 | simonrvn | !tell bloodskin -about msg the bot |
| 17:29.14 | bloodskin | thats what im doing |
| 17:29.21 | bloodskin | is searching |
| 17:29.30 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
| 17:29.32 | bloodskin | i thought maybe the bot had a link |
| 17:30.08 | simonrvn | no, that was spamming the channel with factoid requests |
| 17:30.13 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 17:30.28 | pablo_ | hi, which open source java compiler do you recommend? |
| 17:31.15 | militant | morning pals. |
| 17:31.16 | MaikBeckmann | /simonrvn its all about not beeing root if its not necessary |
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| 17:31.24 | simonrvn | erm, tell HostilePenguin ;) |
| 17:31.44 | HostilePenguin | i can take it |
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| 17:32.08 | HostilePenguin | i wont cho out |
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| 17:34.59 | jabka | anyone with 200M card here ? |
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| 17:35.17 | iveqy | I just installed debian etch. My old installation of etch found my wlan-card (pcmia) direct, but now I can't find it. How do I proceed to make it work? I'm totally lost |
| 17:35.43 | h3sp4wn | jabka: ask the real question (fglrx won't work with current sid if that is the problem) |
| 17:35.48 | Math^ | hello, I'm searching for some free svg cliparts, does anyone know some good sites? |
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| 17:36.20 | chops | pablo_: There's a metapackage in Debian (forget the name, it should be easy to dig up) that installs the currently-believed-to-be-best free java toolchain |
| 17:36.35 | chops | pablo_: Sun's java is also supposedly getting steadily freer as time goes by |
| 17:36.38 | jabka | h3so4wn: fglrx sorta work : it allows hardware exelaration |
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| 17:36.47 | militant | HostilePenguin: 'cho out' is great. it should become part of the vernacular. with complimentary pieces such as 'wow that guy got cho'd' ... or for us geek types, 'imma cho'wn that jerk' |
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| 17:37.09 | jabka | <h3sp4wn> what i search i some how to use the normal xorg driver |
| 17:37.32 | jabka | xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 17:37.49 | apk | I created a DVD with a standalone unit from a camcorder. Can I create copies by doing `dd if=/dev/scd0 of=dvd.iso` and then burning it with wodim? |
| 17:38.05 | hark | jabka: that's 2d only right? |
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| 17:38.38 | pablo_ | chops: yes, i know, but as it is on non-free i dont want to install it, which is that metapackage? |
| 17:38.47 | jabka | hark: explain ,, |
| 17:39.02 | chops | pablo_: I don't know off the top of my head. Since you're the one who wants it, how about _you_ be the one to do the google search? ;-) |
| 17:39.02 | hark | pablo_: apt-cache show free-java-sdk |
| 17:39.15 | rahul | pablo_: you actually think you know how to hack the source of a JVM? |
| 17:39.29 | rahul | and you don't know which ones are available already? |
| 17:39.31 | hark | jabka: the radeon driver |
| 17:39.42 | jabka | hark |
| 17:40.08 | hark | jabka |
| 17:40.10 | chops | hark: Ah, that's the one. Thanks. |
| 17:40.25 | HostilePenguin | fglrx needs composite |
| 17:40.34 | pablo_ | rahul: no |
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| 17:40.39 | HostilePenguin | then i can rock out |
| 17:40.54 | rahul | pablo_: then why do you need the ability to hack the source and redistribute it? |
| 17:41.07 | chops | rahul: There are plenty of reasons to want free software other than wanting to hack the source. |
| 17:41.11 | bloodskin | why does http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libc6-dev-amd64 send me to download the i386 version????? |
| 17:41.13 | jabka | hark: im searching a way to get composite or at least to be able to play 3d |
| 17:41.16 | simonrvn | HostilePenguin: so enable it |
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| 17:41.33 | hark | jabka: do you have a Radeon XPRESS 200M IGP? |
| 17:41.41 | chops | bloodskin: libc6-dev-amd64 is just called "libc6-dev" on the amd64 architecture |
| 17:41.45 | rahul | chops: none of which have to do with actually getting work done. _availability_ of free alternatives is good, in case you need to hire someone to hack it. |
| 17:41.48 | simonrvn | bloodskin: because that's pretty much only header files? |
| 17:41.49 | HostilePenguin | when i do i lose dri |
| 17:41.59 | bloodskin | simon thats what i need |
| 17:42.02 | jabka | hark: ati radeon x1100 |
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| 17:42.14 | rahul | chops: if pablo_ is making a decision as to whether or not to use java, I can see his question being relevant, actually |
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| 17:42.28 | HostilePenguin | fglrx cant use composite |
| 17:42.30 | bloodskin | ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system. |
| 17:42.30 | bloodskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.31 | jabka | hark: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_14603_14628%5E14631,00.html |
| 17:42.36 | bloodskin | see? thats why i need them |
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| 17:42.47 | simonrvn | bloodskin: i just answered your question, dude... think a bit |
| 17:42.58 | simonrvn | HostilePenguin: then make up your mind |
| 17:43.30 | HostilePenguin | i did im going to save and get an nivida card |
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| 17:43.55 | gniretar_work | ATI needs to get their ass in gear for driver devel |
| 17:43.57 | hark | jabka: ah, you'll need fglrx for 3d support. No composite unfortunately |
| 17:44.03 | simonrvn | need to be descisive, people. |
| 17:44.13 | HostilePenguin | jabular do you have dri or no? |
| 17:44.20 | bloodskin | to whomever i was discussing dead links with, visit http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fglibc%2Flibc6-dev-i386_2.3.6.ds1-13_amd64.deb&md5sum=98220df89f200797932b0eacfb5df52f&arch=amd64&type=unofficial |
| 17:44.21 | apk | gniretar_work: ATI needs to do nothing. We need to stop buying ATI cards. |
| 17:44.36 | gniretar_work | apk: why? They are good cards, the drivers just suck |
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| 17:44.44 | apk | gniretar_work: Because the drivers suck. |
| 17:44.54 | rahul | gniretar_work: what good is a card you can't use? |
| 17:44.58 | HostilePenguin | use fglrx for 3d disable composite |
| 17:45.00 | simonrvn | need to stop buying closed source crap |
| 17:45.05 | gniretar_work | apk: older ATI cards whos Linux drivers are well developed work better then NVidia |
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| 17:45.26 | whirm | hi all |
| 17:45.26 | rahul | yeah, we need to be buying open source crap :P |
| 17:45.36 | apk | gniretar_work: I have an ATI. I wish I bought a laptop with something else. If I use fglrx, I can't run X on 2 VTs simultaneously. |
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| 17:45.44 | Seb_ | hi fellows |
| 17:45.49 | HostilePenguin | i was just talking shit i have a 9800 pro and i cant see getting rid of it for a while |
| 17:45.50 | apk | gniretar_work: If I don't use fglrx, I don't get 3D. |
| 17:45.52 | bloodskin | what are the 64 bit development libs called for amd64> |
| 17:45.53 | Seb_ | what's the simpelst way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies ? |
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| 17:46.04 | Ronin | Seb_: apt-get install foo |
| 17:46.16 | h3sp4wn | With a 9800pro I am certain you can get 3d without fglrx |
| 17:46.17 | gniretar_work | apk: I happen to know that ATI has 4 Linux guys workin full time on makin better X drivers. Give them a little time and they will have something good. |
| 17:46.36 | Seb_ | Ronin: have you even read my question ? |
| 17:46.42 | jabka | if i could i would change my lapy for an nvidia one .. |
| 17:46.46 | MaikBeckmann | /boodskin you're running an amd64 debian installation? |
| 17:46.47 | simonrvn | --reinstall; man apt-get |
| 17:46.57 | apk | gniretar_work: That is great. But if they don't have something better by the time I buy my next computer, I'm going with nVidia. |
| 17:46.58 | MaikBeckmann | missed a l |
| 17:47.00 | Seb_ | simonrvn: that doesn't reinstall dependencies, unfortunately... |
| 17:47.13 | militant | alright. ssh -X is ... very insecure, from what i understand. correct? |
| 17:47.17 | simonrvn | if you stick the deps on after, yes it does |
| 17:47.21 | Seb_ | militant: -X |
| 17:47.31 | Seb_ | simonrvn: the point would be for me to not have to figured out what deps it has installed |
| 17:47.32 | Ronin | <Seb_> what's the simpelst way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies ? |
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| 17:47.34 | Ronin | <Seb_> what's the simpelst way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies ? |
| 17:47.37 | gniretar_work | apk: same here, I like NVidia better anyways, i'm just saying that ATI makes good hardware and its say that they dont have decent Linux drivers |
| 17:47.42 | Ronin | oops |
| 17:47.46 | Seb_ | simonrvn: especially when it depends on foo|bar |
| 17:47.51 | militant | Seb_: ssh tunneling for running X apps remotely like i do on my lan ceaselessly lately |
| 17:47.56 | Ronin | Seb_: and the easiest way is apt-get install foo |
| 17:47.57 | Seb | militant: not me :) |
| 17:48.05 | apk | gniretar_work: As somebody already said, good hardware is useless without good drivers. |
| 17:48.06 | Ronin | now if you have more problems then that best say so |
| 17:48.09 | Seb | Ronin: no |
| 17:48.15 | Seb | Ronin: apt-get install foo doesn't reinstall foo |
| 17:48.19 | Seb | Ronin: nor its dependencies |
| 17:48.34 | Ronin | doh,damn old eyes reinstall not install, my apologies |
| 17:48.35 | simonrvn | Seb: there isn't a better way than that. write one ;) |
| 17:48.36 | militant | Seb: not you? due to security concerns? |
| 17:48.38 | pablo_ | hark: exelent, that package works, now how do i set JAVA_HOME environment variable to /usr/lib/fjsdk |
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| 17:48.51 | Seb | militant: i wasn't asking anything about ssh, is what I meant :) |
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| 17:48.54 | HostilePenguin | im not buying a new pc im just getting a water cooler and new memory. ill just crank this pc up a bit |
| 17:48.55 | Seb | Ronin: no pb :) |
| 17:48.56 | militant | oh |
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| 17:49.02 | apk | pablo_: update-java-alternatives |
| 17:49.17 | Seb | simonrvn: k, i started to parse Depends: with awk/perl, but the dependencies on foo|bar proves a tough one... |
| 17:49.25 | junix|work | is there going to be a more update to date version of nessus coming out?? |
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| 17:49.44 | simonrvn | Seb: make a check on what you have installed already as the foo|bar |
| 17:49.46 | militant | well what i'm tryin to figrue out is, i like using it, but if it's insecure, what should i be aware of? and can i restrict it only to myself, or take some other steps to make it less dangerous? |
| 17:49.59 | simonrvn | junix|work: ask the maintainer |
| 17:50.04 | simonrvn | !maint nessus |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | nessus: Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <jfs@computer.org> |
| 17:50.13 | pablo_ | apk: it is missing something |
| 17:50.20 | junix|work | k |
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| 17:51.27 | HostilePenguin | nothing is better than high fsb and tight ram timings |
| 17:51.35 | HostilePenguin | i am such a geek :( |
| 17:51.37 | hark | pablo_: /usr/share/doc/free-java-sdk should tell you how |
| 17:52.47 | MaikBeckmann | HostilePenguin, nothing is better than cache |
| 17:52.49 | militant | and when i'm su'd to root from a terminal, why can't i run X apps from the prompt? or is it just an issue of pointing it at the right display? |
| 17:52.57 | MaikBeckmann | a big cache |
| 17:53.06 | rahul | junk in the cache |
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| 17:53.59 | rahul | IIIII like big cache and I cannot lie |
| 17:54.06 | pablo_ | hark: nop, how do i set JAVA_HOME to /usr/lib/fjsdk |
| 17:54.07 | MaikBeckmann | lol |
| 17:54.40 | jelly | fuckin' java sdk? |
| 17:55.01 | MaikBeckmann | you other debians can't deny |
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| 17:55.05 | rpc | is it possible to tell lsof to use different interface? |
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| 17:56.43 | HostilePenguin | i hate to be consistantly off topic but has any one read about nexenta OS. sounds pretty dang sweet |
| 17:57.06 | jelly | HostilePenguin: also, it's breaking gpl |
| 17:57.15 | bloodskin | what is the command to see what kernel im running? |
| 17:57.31 | apk | bloodskin: uname -a |
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| 17:57.32 | bloodskin | ty |
| 17:57.34 | jelly | HostilePenguin: I have to add "supposedly" because IANAL |
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| 17:58.21 | fritz | hi |
| 17:58.35 | asarch | How can I get Sid? |
| 17:58.44 | HostilePenguin | you dont need sid |
| 17:58.47 | fritz | since today my debian etch samba-sevrer doe not start anymore: http://nopaste.biz/14976 anyone has an idea? |
| 17:59.01 | asarch | But if I want to try it? |
| 17:59.04 | jelly | pablo_: is this what you're asking? JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/fjsdk; export JAVA_HOME |
| 17:59.40 | asarch | How can I download Sid? |
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| 17:59.51 | HostilePenguin | how is it breaking gpl |
| 17:59.53 | hark | pablo_: eh, just put it in your .bashrc/profile or /etc/profile if you want it globally |
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| 18:00.18 | hark | asarch: you can't |
| 18:00.42 | GiabboO | bye all |
| 18:00.52 | jelly | hark, pablo_: I think that the correct place for gloabl environment variables is, well, /etc/environment |
| 18:00.57 | asarch | How can I test Sid? |
| 18:01.01 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a FTP server which supports virtual users? |
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| 18:01.10 | jelly | asarch: why? |
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| 18:01.15 | Doat | asarch: if you don't know how to get it, you don't want it :) |
| 18:01.16 | HardDisk_WP | so that I dont have to create unix accounts for everyone... |
| 18:01.30 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: proftpd |
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| 18:01.43 | Doat | asarch: try testing repositories instead |
| 18:01.51 | bloodskin | !google 2.6.18-4-amd64 source |
| 18:01.51 | HardDisk_WP | h3sp4wn, does it support virtual users? |
| 18:01.52 | dmilith | Results for 2.6.18-4-amd64 source on Google: |
| 18:01.52 | dmilith | -- |
| 18:02.04 | HardDisk_WP | !google lol |
| 18:02.05 | dmilith | Results for lol on Google: |
| 18:02.05 | dmilith | -- |
| 18:02.15 | asarch | Doat, thanks |
| 18:02.19 | HardDisk_WP | !ping |
| 18:02.19 | dpkg | pong |
| 18:02.24 | bloodskin | lame |
| 18:02.34 | HardDisk_WP | we have two bots reacting on ! as command character? |
| 18:02.51 | pablo_ | hark: ok, but then i type java, and it doesnt findes it |
| 18:02.51 | jelly | dmilith: turn that thing off |
| 18:03.11 | jelly | hmm, lemme try moo |
| 18:03.13 | jelly | !moo |
| 18:03.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 18:03.27 | HardDisk_WP | !apt-get moo? |
| 18:03.27 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 18:03.31 | HardDisk_WP | !apt-get moo -v? |
| 18:03.31 | x_link | Now that I run Debian Testing, shouldn't I be able to get KDE 3.5.6 ? |
| 18:03.42 | MaikBeckmann | asarch, take a look at http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/sources.list |
| 18:03.46 | hark | pablo_: update-alternatives --config java |
| 18:03.47 | MaikBeckmann | arg |
| 18:03.52 | HardDisk_WP | a.f.k. |
| 18:03.59 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: no, there's was a number of users having some script replying to !moo |
| 18:04.01 | MaikBeckmann | if you speak german |
| 18:04.05 | MaikBeckmann | sorry |
| 18:04.11 | jabka | what is the name of bug reporting util |
| 18:04.24 | jelly | jabka: reportbug |
| 18:04.35 | bloodskin | ~:| |
| 18:04.41 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, *g* |
| 18:04.41 | apk | pablo_: hark: use update-java-alternatives, otherwise you might get javac and java using different versions. |
| 18:04.55 | jabka | XD thnx |
| 18:05.06 | asarch | MaikBeckmann: Ubuntu? Sid is not for Ubuntu |
| 18:05.10 | bloodskin | where do i go to find the kernel source for 2.6.18-4-amd64? |
| 18:05.14 | MaikBeckmann | no |
| 18:05.22 | MaikBeckmann | but both use apt |
| 18:05.29 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu |
| 18:05.29 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 18:05.32 | MaikBeckmann | and apt uses /etc/apt/source.list |
| 18:05.35 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu-de |
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| 18:05.37 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu-de? |
| 18:05.40 | hark | apk: right. pablo_ see what apk said above |
| 18:05.51 | hark | pablo_: or also update-alternatives --config javac |
| 18:06.03 | apk | HardDisk_WP: You know you can /msg the bot, right? |
| 18:06.29 | jelly | MaikBeckmann: please don't point users to pages showing configuration for another distro, they might seriously damage their installation |
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| 18:06.47 | bloodskin | where do i go to find the kernel source for 2.6.18-4-amd64? does anyone know/canguide me in the general direction? google = fail |
| 18:06.58 | apk | bloodskin: kernel.org ? |
| 18:06.58 | MaikBeckmann | hm |
| 18:07.00 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
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| 18:07.12 | bloodskin | lol, seriously? |
| 18:07.12 | jelly | !tell bloodskin -about search |
| 18:07.21 | MaikBeckmann | But that hides them from usefull informations too |
| 18:07.27 | bloodskin | jelly i have |
| 18:07.30 | rahul | uh |
| 18:07.34 | jelly | bloodskin: and? |
| 18:07.40 | rahul | kernel.org doesn't have 2.4.18-4 |
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| 18:07.44 | MaikBeckmann | I don't wanna miss the gentoo-wiki |
| 18:07.47 | apk | bloodskin: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:08.16 | jelly | bloodskin: all debian kernel flavors are built from the same source |
| 18:08.25 | bloodskin | oh |
| 18:08.31 | pablo_ | hark: thanks it worked |
| 18:08.35 | bloodskin | ok, thanks |
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| 18:08.39 | pablo_ | apk: thaks |
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| 18:08.50 | pablo_ | jelly: thanks |
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| 18:09.08 | Thms_ | bloodskin: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 18:09.25 | bloodskin | thank you kind sir |
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| 18:09.42 | simonrvn_ | a crapload of resources, and people can't find what they want |
| 18:09.42 | MaikBeckmann | but next time I will post this link: http://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=show&redirect=etc%2Fapt%2Fsources.list |
| 18:10.01 | chops | simonrvn_: They just want you to find it for them |
| 18:10.03 | jelly | Thms_: however, that will _not_ provide the exact source from which debian's 2.6.18-4-amd64 is built |
| 18:10.13 | simonrvn_ | chops: that's called laziness |
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| 18:10.36 | Thms_ | jelly: a kernel is a kernel |
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| 18:10.57 | jelly | Thms_: the user did not ask for "a kernel" |
| 18:11.10 | abrotman | Thms_: a kernel is not a kernel |
| 18:11.17 | rahul | Thms_: so maybe we could given them freebsd kernel source |
| 18:11.34 | abrotman | Thms_: remember the kernel devs said that the distros should be stabilizing the kernel .. not the kernel devs |
| 18:11.34 | ShakataGaNai | Hey all, got a question. I'm running openvpn on Etch - I'm wondering if there is anything (any package) that I can use to scan & protect incomming/outgoing traffic from openvpn. Basically what I'm trying to do is setup something to stop the next nimda or code red from running through my network. |
| 18:11.38 | Thms_ | he asked for kernel sources |
| 18:11.38 | militant | ok, used xhost. "localhost being added to access control list". still get "(nmapfe:3096): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:" trying to run it as root? |
| 18:11.42 | bloodskin | or a toaster kernel source |
| 18:11.46 | rahul | Thms_: no he didn't |
| 18:11.47 | abrotman | ShakataGaNai: iptables ? |
| 18:11.48 | fritz | ok it was s/passdb backend = tdbsam guest/passdb backend = tdbsam/ to smb.conf of some1 cares :) |
| 18:11.56 | chops | ShakataGaNai: Set up iptables rules |
| 18:11.56 | jelly | Thms_: sources matching a specific distro release. |
| 18:12.01 | K|NgGh0sT | so looks like my cpu is dying |
| 18:12.02 | K|NgGh0sT | yesh |
| 18:12.03 | Thms_ | "where do i go to find the kernel source for 2.6.18-4-amd64? " |
| 18:12.06 | ShakataGaNai | chops: to do what specfically though? |
| 18:12.16 | rahul | Thms_: exactly |
| 18:12.30 | rahul | Thms_: he asked for source for a specific kernel build |
| 18:12.39 | ShakataGaNai | chops: I dont want to just block ports and call it a day - I want it to actually do something smart |
| 18:12.39 | bloodskin | im sorry im not as advanced as you Thms_ |
| 18:12.42 | jelly | Thms_: yes. and those will not be found with the vanilla sources. |
| 18:12.42 | rahul | Thms_: now shush |
| 18:12.45 | chops | ShakataGaNai: I have an example script I can send along if you're using bridged VPN (though if you're using a routed VPN you may have to modify it a bit) |
| 18:12.51 | bloodskin | im still trying to learn |
| 18:12.56 | ShakataGaNai | chops: Ok |
| 18:13.24 | bloodskin | now that thats done, lets see what happens |
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| 18:13.50 | Seb | is there a command line app that can strip exif tags from jpegs ? |
| 18:13.56 | Thms_ | rahul: .. |
| 18:13.58 | Seb | it seems /usr/bin/exif can't do that directly |
| 18:14.13 | Seb | rahul: going back to the old bully habit ;) |
| 18:14.15 | rahul | Thms_: ; |
| 18:14.22 | rahul | Seb: I only bully fools |
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| 18:14.37 | militant | ahh |
| 18:14.37 | ShakataGaNai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.39 | militant | gksu |
| 18:14.39 | militant | neat. |
| 18:14.40 | ShakataGaNai | ops |
| 18:15.06 | Seb | rahul: beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say |
| 18:15.11 | Seb | rahul: so is foolishness :> |
| 18:15.19 | rahul | Seb: no, this is objectively foolish |
| 18:15.26 | Seb | rahul: heheheheheheh |
| 18:15.30 | rahul | Seb: he said that debian kernel sources are the same as upstream |
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| 18:15.42 | Seb | rahul: that does qualify as foolishness, yes |
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| 18:16.09 | rahul | and then claimed that the OP didn't ask for a specific kernel's source, and then pasted the question which mentioned a debian version number |
| 18:16.17 | simonrvn_ | Seb: unexif ? :P |
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| 18:17.34 | chops | ShakataGaNai: http://paste.debian.net/26582 |
| 18:17.35 | simonrvn_ | rahul, Seb: he's asked that 3 times, and 6 diffeent people answered him. he didn't get the answer he wanted, so he kept coming back and asking other people |
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| 18:17.46 | Seb | simonrvn_: heh, interesting |
| 18:17.49 | Seb | simonrvn_: or should I say classic |
| 18:17.54 | rahul | heh |
| 18:17.55 | Seb | simonrvn_: unexif huh ? |
| 18:18.03 | rahul | well, he did demonstrate himself to be a tool last night |
| 18:18.09 | simonrvn_ | Seb: i have NFC, i just made that up |
| 18:18.26 | rahul | but that doesn't excuse Thms_ for being a tool in return |
| 18:18.26 | Seb | simonrvn_: that sounded enticing, shite :> |
| 18:18.38 | chops | That's anonymized slightly -- you'll have to define $restricthost and $restrictport. The script as written restricts VPN users who are listed in /etc/vpn-restrict-users-list to only access a given host and port (and leaves all other users unrestricted). |
| 18:18.48 | SerajewelKS | is there a simple iptables rule i can use in the situation where i have on network interface with an IPv4 address and another with an IPv6 address, and i want all traffic to the IPv4 address to be masqueraded to the v6 address? |
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| 18:19.10 | SerajewelKS | to basically give v4 hosts a way to talk to a particular v6 address through a transparent proxy of sorts |
| 18:19.17 | chops | Set that script as the "learn-address" parameter in your config file, change the iptables hackery to be the hackery you desire, bingo, bango, bongo |
| 18:19.33 | Thms_ | rahul: I did an error I know, now stop repeat that I did.. You never did to errors, you? |
| 18:19.34 | ShakataGaNai | chops: lol - ok |
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| 18:19.58 | rahul | Thms_: hey, you persisted in your assertion and then other people started talking about it |
| 18:20.10 | rahul | I've already dropped the matter. |
| 18:20.37 | MaikBeckmann | K|NgGh0sT, you and youre cpu are still alive? |
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| 18:22.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: #iptables ? |
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| 18:23.29 | bloodskin | chester? |
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| 18:24.41 | bloodskin | wb carluva |
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| 18:25.19 | sinizzl | hello |
| 18:25.31 | sinizzl | my iptables crash.. :( after some time i can't ping my router anymore... is that a common issue ? |
| 18:25.57 | rahul | that's your whole machine, not iptables |
| 18:26.06 | bloodskin | whats the folder name for the kernel source? |
| 18:26.08 | rahul | check what's hung |
| 18:26.09 | sinizzl | but why does it crash ? |
| 18:26.13 | rahul | folder? |
| 18:26.24 | rahul | sinizzl: you'll have to tell us |
| 18:26.27 | stew | bloodskin: did you install a linux-source packge? |
| 18:26.29 | sinizzl | i think he meant direcotry |
| 18:26.32 | bloodskin | yes |
| 18:26.32 | sinizzl | mhhh allright |
| 18:26.49 | sinizzl | but is it a common issue that ip tables crash the machien ? |
| 18:26.53 | stew | bloodskin: it installs a .tar.bz2 in /usr/src (in general dpkg -L packagename) |
| 18:27.03 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 18:27.04 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:27.05 | rahul | sinizzl: no |
| 18:27.07 | bloodskin | ok |
| 18:27.19 | rahul | sinizzl: LOOK at the machine and see what's wrong |
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| 18:27.22 | sinizzl | it hsould be rock solid, shouldnt it ? |
| 18:27.24 | sinizzl | rahul: can't |
| 18:27.32 | bloodskin | so its in usr/src? |
| 18:27.35 | rahul | ok, then don't |
| 18:27.40 | sinizzl | coz the only monitor is a tv and that one's occupied by my flatmate who's watchin tv atm |
| 18:27.43 | rahul | sinizzl: it's rock solid for everyone else |
| 18:27.43 | sinizzl | ;( |
| 18:27.48 | sinizzl | i don't wanna bother him |
| 18:27.53 | simonrvn | are people intentionally misunderstanding me today? |
| 18:27.55 | Seb | so, strupping exif tag anyone ? |
| 18:27.55 | sinizzl | rahul: could cpu throttling be an issue ? |
| 18:27.56 | rahul | well, tell him the interwebs died! |
| 18:27.59 | Seb | stripping :) |
| 18:28.05 | rahul | sinizzl: I dunno... maybe |
| 18:28.15 | sinizzl | it used to be rock solid though |
| 18:28.28 | sinizzl | never tried iptables before ... |
| 18:28.40 | stew | sinizzl: there is no way that iptables should cause a machine to lock up |
| 18:28.57 | sinizzl | allright |
| 18:29.01 | sinizzl | i wait for my flatmate to hit the sacks |
| 18:29.03 | stew | sinizzl: unless by lockup you mean you just firewalled yourself off from the box by editing tables remotely, of course |
| 18:29.05 | sinizzl | and then ill check it out again |
| 18:29.12 | sinizzl | no i didnt |
| 18:29.17 | sinizzl | i have _3_ network devices |
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| 18:29.30 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 18:29.34 | bloodskin | init 1 switches to single user. how do i switch back to graphical mode or whatever? |
| 18:29.38 | sinizzl | eth1 is attached to the cablemodem, eth0 is attached to my macbook (gigabit ethernet) and eth2 is attached to my mates' notebook |
| 18:29.39 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 18:29.44 | stew | sinizzl: and iptables -P INPUT DROP ; could keep you off all three |
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| 18:29.58 | sinizzl | stew: what does that exaclty do ? |
| 18:30.00 | stew | bloodskin: "init 2" (2 is the default runlevel in debian) |
| 18:30.10 | bloodskin | ahh. thank you |
| 18:30.13 | sinizzl | i followed a simple howto on the debian page... it doesn't tell anything about INPUT DROP |
| 18:30.18 | stew | sinizzl: sets the default policy to DROP all incoming packets not explicitly allowed |
| 18:30.29 | sinizzl | hmm |
| 18:30.32 | simonrvn | are people intentionally misunderstanding me today? my reply to myself: no, people don't effing RTFMs |
| 18:30.39 | sinizzl | stew: could an overflow of packets be the cause of it locking ? |
| 18:30.44 | stew | sinizzl: its just an exaample of how you could firewall yourself off no matter how many interfaces you have |
| 18:30.52 | stew | sinizzl: no |
| 18:30.53 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, ya around? |
| 18:30.58 | MaikBeckmann | yepp |
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| 18:31.02 | sinizzl | the machine used to be very stable |
| 18:31.12 | sinizzl | and now it doesn't run X at all |
| 18:31.12 | MaikBeckmann | the kernel .deb was build? |
| 18:31.16 | stew | sinizzl: how did you determine that it was locked up? |
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| 18:31.21 | rahul | sinizzl: apt-get install ipmasq, is the simple debian way |
| 18:31.22 | sinizzl | it has a nice TV out that lets me use the TV even in bios |
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| 18:31.34 | sinizzl | rahul: does that work with more than two interfaces too ? |
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| 18:31.40 | rahul | sinizzl: of course! |
| 18:31.44 | sinizzl | stew: i couldnt ping it anymore |
| 18:31.56 | sinizzl | and the lights at the back of my crappy realtek cards didnt show up anymore |
| 18:31.57 | stew | sinizzl: that can just mean that you started firewalling off ICMP |
| 18:32.06 | sinizzl | ICMP ? |
| 18:32.10 | stew | yes |
| 18:32.18 | simonrvn | ffs... |
| 18:32.21 | sinizzl | stew: whatever umean by that it didnt work for my mate either |
| 18:32.23 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, No, it kept crashing at one stage |
| 18:32.29 | stew | sinizzl: what didn't? |
| 18:32.33 | sinizzl | routing '^^ |
| 18:32.42 | sinizzl | both interfaces seemed to be dead |
| 18:32.43 | rahul | wtf |
| 18:32.46 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.48 | abrotman | simonrvn: i suggest canada |
| 18:32.59 | sinizzl | i couldnt check if the machine locked up coz iwasn't next to the computer |
| 18:33.01 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, doing make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 kernel_image again |
| 18:33.12 | sinizzl | could it be due to those crappy realtek cards (there were no other at the store) ? |
| 18:33.16 | MaikBeckmann | whats the error message? |
| 18:33.20 | rahul | sinizzl: could be |
| 18:33.38 | sinizzl | so... what should i get in that case ? |
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| 18:33.57 | stew | sinizzl: if you were playing with firewall rules, and the network cards stopped repsonding to you remotely, then it is much more likely to be that your firewall is working, instead of your machine has crashed |
| 18:34.03 | simonrvn | people start doing shit without knowledge, and then wonder why it doesn't work. brilliant. |
| 18:34.08 | sinizzl | i wasnt playing at all |
| 18:34.08 | K|NgGh0sT | It wasnt an error, My cpu would over heat, so I cleaned out the dust |
| 18:34.17 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 18:34.23 | sinizzl | i set up some very simple rules according to a howto i found on the internet |
| 18:34.31 | sinizzl | i was surfin round the internet with my macbook |
| 18:34.33 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 18:34.36 | sinizzl | and all the sudden the machine seemed dead |
| 18:34.40 | sinizzl | it did that before |
| 18:34.57 | MaikBeckmann | so you have to wait until sun is off? ;) |
| 18:35.05 | sinizzl | sure do |
| 18:35.14 | sinizzl | coz my flatmates wanna watch "planet of the apes |
| 18:35.15 | sinizzl | " |
| 18:35.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: you should get one of those gel filled wrist rest pads for when you do that |
| 18:35.15 | sinizzl | omg |
| 18:35.17 | sinizzl | they're so lame |
| 18:35.18 | sinizzl | LOL |
| 18:35.29 | abrotman | W T F |
| 18:35.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: heh, i have a hard head |
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| 18:36.15 | MaikBeckmann | however, after you have build the kernel package, you will have to install two more packages |
| 18:36.18 | rahul | sinizzl: pot, kettle. kettle, pot. |
| 18:36.27 | sinizzl | hm? |
| 18:36.32 | MaikBeckmann | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common |
| 18:36.38 | rahul | or pot smoker |
| 18:36.38 | MaikBeckmann | then... cd /usr/src && tar xzf nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz |
| 18:36.43 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, those are already installed |
| 18:36.45 | rahul | not sure yet |
| 18:36.48 | sinizzl | i dont smoke no pot anymore |
| 18:36.49 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 18:36.52 | sinizzl | im not 19 anymore |
| 18:36.53 | sinizzl | kekekek |
| 18:37.01 | simonrvn | are you choking? |
| 18:37.09 | rahul | most of the pot smokers I know are 30+ |
| 18:37.14 | MaikBeckmann | change to the source folder |
| 18:37.22 | militant | i still deliver bags to mom, and she's 49 |
| 18:37.31 | sinizzl | lol rahul |
| 18:37.32 | K|NgGh0sT | all the pot smokers I know are 20+ heh |
| 18:37.36 | MaikBeckmann | where you already used to run make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 kernel_image |
| 18:37.50 | sinizzl | i'd still be smokin pot if i didnt have severe lung injury and 2 heavy surgeries against it ^^ |
| 18:37.50 | rahul | the under 20s do meth these days... |
| 18:37.54 | MaikBeckmann | and run make-kpkg --initrd --append_to_version=-custom --revision=0 modules_image |
| 18:37.58 | MaikBeckmann | thats all |
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| 18:38.37 | MaikBeckmann | a nvidia ... .deb will be build |
| 18:38.46 | K|NgGh0sT | this make takes forever |
| 18:39.00 | simonrvn | no, just impatient |
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| 18:39.18 | simonrvn | watched kettle... |
| 18:39.22 | MaikBeckmann | install the new linux-image and nvidia debs .... and youre are ready for 3D again |
| 18:39.34 | abrotman | is he even talking to anyone? |
| 18:39.49 | simonrvn | i think he's talking to K|NgGh0sT |
| 18:39.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
| 18:39.58 | MaikBeckmann | man, building a kernel on debian is really a performance consuming thing |
| 18:40.04 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:40.09 | tarzeau | MaikBeckmann: huh? |
| 18:40.09 | abrotman | so don't do it |
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| 18:40.16 | MaikBeckmann | As a former gentoo user .... |
| 18:40.30 | rahul | watched pot |
| 18:40.30 | MaikBeckmann | ;) |
| 18:40.31 | simonrvn | s,user,luser, |
| 18:40.40 | tarzeau | MaikBeckmann: how's building a kernel on debian consuming more performance than anywhere else? |
| 18:41.05 | abrotman | !be a make oldconfig barbie |
| 18:41.05 | dpkg | Aww, make oldconfig is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 18:41.19 | MaikBeckmann | many more modules and features are activted at the stock debian kernel sources |
| 18:41.29 | abrotman | so why the hell are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 18:41.32 | militant | abrotman: hah nice. that's pretty lulz |
| 18:41.34 | simonrvn | excuse me? |
| 18:41.36 | MaikBeckmann | I know... you deactive the features I don't need |
| 18:41.41 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:41.44 | tarzeau | MaikBeckmann: you know they are the kernels as they are at www.kernel.org? |
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| 18:41.49 | tarzeau | MaikBeckmann: you'll want to make menuconfig? |
| 18:42.01 | MaikBeckmann | yes, I know |
| 18:42.01 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | MaikBeckmann: why are you building a kernel? |
| 18:42.23 | simonrvn | rahul: thank you |
| 18:42.30 | rahul | heh |
| 18:42.37 | MaikBeckmann | 1. Because I can to know if I can do it |
| 18:42.55 | MaikBeckmann | 2. I'm wanted to build the nvidia kernel modules |
| 18:42.57 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: well, you do not want to run make menuconfig if you do not realyl know what you're doing. make oldconfig will only ask for decisions on new config opens and keep the options of the runnign kernel version |
| 18:43.00 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:43.00 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 18:43.05 | abrotman | that was easy! |
| 18:43.15 | MaikBeckmann | which doesn't worked using m-a |
| 18:43.26 | abrotman | why not? |
| 18:43.30 | MaikBeckmann | bzed, I know |
| 18:43.32 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: are you using the etch kernel? |
| 18:43.47 | abrotman | MaikBeckmann: do you have errors showing it not working ? |
| 18:43.50 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: if so, use the piece from the oneliner up there. |
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| 18:43.54 | MaikBeckmann | As stated before I'm former gentoo user |
| 18:43.59 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, you dont know a secret or making nvidia work on unstable do you? |
| 18:44.01 | abrotman | that's irreleavnt |
| 18:44.14 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: downgrade your xorg-xserver-core .. check the BTS |
| 18:44.21 | MaikBeckmann | abrotman yes |
| 18:44.30 | abrotman | MaikBeckmann: your status as a former gentoo user has *nothing* to do with debian or getting nvidia working on etch |
| 18:44.31 | MaikBeckmann | moment please |
| 18:44.40 | hark | nvidia works on sid, no downgrade needed |
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| 18:44.48 | abrotman | hark: it works again ? |
| 18:44.52 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: which nvidia card do you ahve? |
| 18:44.55 | rahul | MaikBeckmann: you are not a former gentoo user. you are a tool. |
| 18:44.56 | SlayerXP | abrotman: though is does mean I'm likely to mock him more as a result. |
| 18:44.59 | hark | it's just fglrx |
| 18:45.02 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, the debian bug listing told me to upgrade to unstable xorg |
| 18:45.06 | K|NgGh0sT | 5900FX |
| 18:45.21 | rahul | the more people know, the more incorrect things they do |
| 18:45.28 | rahul | damn tools. |
| 18:45.32 | bzed | !tell K|NgGh0sT about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:45.35 | simonrvn | *think* they know |
| 18:45.46 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I tried that, wouldnt work |
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| 18:45.54 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: cute |
| 18:45.56 | SlayerXP | !tell me about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:46.07 | rahul | simonrvn: no, they don't think |
| 18:46.07 | K|NgGh0sT | lemme get logs |
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| 18:46.12 | abrotman | !tell SlayerXP about selftell |
| 18:46.12 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: just run what dpkg told you, but you need to add unstable sources to your sources list, and make sure that you're not using them as default |
| 18:46.20 | simonrvn | rahul: that's implied ;) |
| 18:46.25 | rahul | heh |
| 18:46.36 | rahul | therefore they can't think they know |
| 18:46.38 | rahul | ! |
| 18:46.39 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, as I said,I did add unstable sources, and it didnt work |
| 18:46.49 | SlayerXP | abrotman: I can give you the GPS co-oridinates to the guy you can go visit to explain just how much I care :) |
| 18:46.49 | MaikBeckmann | abrotman: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 18:46.56 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: did you run apt-get update? |
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| 18:47.04 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, yes |
| 18:47.09 | K|NgGh0sT | E: Package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 has no installation candidate |
| 18:47.20 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: did you use apt-get -t unstable when runnign the line? |
| 18:47.22 | SlayerXP | perhaps because I don't have a headache for the first time in 5 days |
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| 18:47.32 | abrotman | SlayerXP: i know you're in ... Norway? |
| 18:47.38 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: do you get migraines? |
| 18:47.39 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, my whole dist is unstable |
| 18:47.41 | kopf | can anyone reccomend me a list of fonts packages for X11 to install? |
| 18:47.44 | abrotman | damn .. i was close |
| 18:47.45 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, after that, (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 18:47.48 | SlayerXP | abrotman: UK now, was norway. |
| 18:47.49 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: upgrade to the kernel in unstable then |
| 18:47.55 | abrotman | SlayerXP: ah ok |
| 18:47.56 | tarzeau | kopf: ttf-junicode and ttf-gentium ? |
| 18:48.09 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: although I'd not recommend using unstable alone,. better stay with testing and pull only the needed packets. |
| 18:48.11 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I'm without proper prescription glasses. seeing hurts. |
| 18:48.21 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I aready dist-upgrade'd |
| 18:48.21 | MaikBeckmann | bzed, the nvidia-glx in unstable is not installable at the moment |
| 18:48.22 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: oh, ouch :/ |
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| 18:48.31 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I was getting fustrated |
| 18:48.32 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get kernel-image-2.6-k7 should help you |
| 18:48.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Havent had X in over a month |
| 18:49.01 | kopf | tarzeau: i'll try them now, thanks |
| 18:49.03 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: "ouch" is an understatement. my eyes have been bleeding. |
| 18:49.14 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: it is, if oyu have the according nvidia kernel source installed, which is probably not in unstable yet |
| 18:49.31 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: seriously? fuck man :( |
| 18:49.47 | MaikBeckmann | bzed |
| 18:49.48 | MaikBeckmann | yes |
| 18:49.50 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: that reminds me, it is installable, at least I've done so a few days ago |
| 18:49.54 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I was overwearing contact lenses |
| 18:49.57 | MaikBeckmann | whatever |
| 18:50.12 | MaikBeckmann | it was installable a few day ago |
| 18:50.16 | MaikBeckmann | but it isn't now |
| 18:50.21 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: http://blog.hinterlands.org/2007/04/13#20070413 |
| 18:50.33 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: and it will be again spoon, that happens when you use unstable - use testing instead |
| 18:50.35 | MaikBeckmann | the version changed to 1.0.9755 |
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| 18:50.43 | MaikBeckmann | bzed, I know |
| 18:51.05 | MaikBeckmann | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:52.03 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: glad you're doing better now, then |
| 18:52.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I just want this working is all |
| 18:52.14 | K|NgGh0sT | I dont wanna cause a ruckus |
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| 18:52.36 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I need to write an update, the glasses I got were the wrong prescription. |
| 18:52.41 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 18:52.48 | Anthro | How do I specify a particular version of a package to apt-get? |
| 18:52.52 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: the emergency optician I went to got it wrong. |
| 18:52.57 | rpc | is ntfs-3g present in etch? |
| 18:53.00 | MaikBeckmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.01 | hark | no |
| 18:53.18 | SlayerXP | Anthro: aptitude install foo=1.2.3 |
| 18:53.26 | Anthro | SlayerXP: Ah, thanks |
| 18:53.31 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm aready on unstable |
| 18:53.33 | Thms | can I unactive the CPU aircooler with a command ? |
| 18:53.35 | K|NgGh0sT | I cant go back, can I? |
| 18:53.45 | hark | nope :) |
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| 18:53.57 | kopf | tarzeau: that seems to have worked for most of them.. i'm just wondering, does fluxbox use a strange fontset for its core themes? i'm getting this: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2h7kqwm |
| 18:54.12 | rpc | i have just mounted a raw ntfs disk image and i can't delete anything, any ideas? |
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| 18:54.19 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, once I download the new kernel, how do I load it |
| 18:54.19 | MaikBeckmann | download them: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 18:54.23 | Thms | hark: nope was for me ? Because my rheobus seems to don't work |
| 18:54.24 | rpc | or do i need to force rw mount for ntfs somehow? |
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| 18:54.41 | tarzeau | kopf: no idea about fluxbox sorry |
| 18:54.51 | hark | Thms: no, didn't mean you :) |
| 18:54.51 | kopf | ok np |
| 18:54.57 | kopf | thanks for that suggestion, helped a lot :) |
| 18:55.25 | MaikBeckmann | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 and nvidia-glx |
| 18:55.33 | MaikBeckmann | right? |
| 18:55.35 | hark | rw support for ntfs in the kernel is very limited |
| 18:55.40 | K|NgGh0sT | MaikBeckmann, yes |
| 18:55.40 | Thms | hmm, I found how my rheobus works, sorry |
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| 18:55.58 | MaikBeckmann | download them and just install them using dpkg -i |
| 18:56.04 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: huh ? |
| 18:56.23 | MaikBeckmann | I did that this morning |
| 18:56.27 | MaikBeckmann | I worked |
| 18:56.31 | MaikBeckmann | It worked |
| 18:56.33 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, I did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 18:56.40 | hark | MaikBeckmann: isn't he on sid? |
| 18:56.46 | K|NgGh0sT | ah it was bzed |
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| 18:56.54 | iturk | hey friends any light IDE for java programming taking vim and emacs ? |
| 18:56.55 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, how do I get that kernel to be used? |
| 18:56.55 | MaikBeckmann | hark, yes |
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| 18:57.25 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 18:58.05 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, I have it |
| 18:58.07 | K|NgGh0sT | Now what |
| 18:58.32 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: was grub updated? if so - reboot |
| 18:58.42 | K|NgGh0sT | grub was not updated |
| 18:58.43 | hark | MaikBeckmann: so why are you giving him packages for testing instead? |
| 18:59.21 | hark | hmm, linux-image-2.6-* still point to the 2.6.18 kernels |
| 18:59.44 | MaikBeckmann | hark, as long as packages are compiled by the same compiler generation .... |
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| 18:59.51 | K|NgGh0sT | I updated it now |
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| 19:00.37 | norbert_ | hi, question: I just apt-get installed gspca-modules-2.6-vserver-686 and booted into the .18bigmem kernel; it appears the webcam applications are not working yet; should I insert a module or...? maybe someone can point me to a webpage with information on this? |
| 19:00.53 | hark | MaikBeckmann: eh, no |
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| 19:01.11 | K|NgGh0sT | update-grub didnt catch the new kernal |
| 19:01.24 | Nyle | rahul: man now I've got 99512.2 Kbps |
| 19:01.30 | MaikBeckmann | hark, a package installes just a bunch of files |
| 19:01.39 | Nyle | rahul: road runner is not stable man.. this is bullcrap |
| 19:01.48 | abrotman | now there's some insight :) |
| 19:01.58 | Nyle | abrotman: how right now you are :) |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | it's a shared medium! |
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| 19:02.03 | Nyle | -now |
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| 19:02.14 | Nyle | how the hell did `now` sneak in there |
| 19:02.38 | MaikBeckmann | as long as the files are compatible  ... |
| 19:03.18 | nvz | meep meep |
| 19:03.19 | hark | MaikBeckmann: well, shouldn't he be using the newer driver instead? |
| 19:03.24 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, How do i get the new kernel to boot? |
| 19:03.25 | rpc | hark all i need is a basic delete functionality for 10 dirs on the mounted ntfs image.. will it work? |
| 19:03.38 | MaikBeckmann | hark, the newer driver is not installable |
| 19:03.40 | rpc | or will it screw up the data integrity? |
| 19:04.00 | hark | MaikBeckmann: it works.. someone confirmed it earlier |
| 19:04.04 | MaikBeckmann | You have to build and install the nvidia kernel package yourself |
| 19:04.22 | hark | yeah, using m-a though |
| 19:04.30 | enouf | rpc: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 19:04.38 | hark | enouf: etch |
| 19:04.39 | MaikBeckmann | okay oka |
| 19:04.45 | MaikBeckmann | missunderstanding |
| 19:04.53 | MaikBeckmann | I'm running 2.6.20 |
| 19:04.56 | rahul | shared medium has nothing to do with it |
| 19:05.05 | norbert_ | can anyone tell me what to insmod for video4linux support? (gspca) |
| 19:05.05 | MaikBeckmann | thus m-a doesn't work |
| 19:05.07 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, you here? |
| 19:05.11 | rahul | I have consistent 8mbps over cable. I just use a different ISP. |
| 19:05.14 | phix | :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
| 19:05.19 | enouf | hark: hrm.. whats wrong with etch? no fuse driver? |
| 19:05.20 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: YES |
| 19:05.22 | norbert_ | I have an gspca.ko, but that seems to give "-1 Unknown symbol in module" |
| 19:05.25 | hark | rpc: if it allows you to do so, it's safe afaik. ask #ntfs .. |
| 19:05.51 | hark | enouf: ntfs-3g is not in etch |
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| 19:05.59 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, how do I get the new kernel to be seen by grub? |
| 19:06.01 | bzed | norbert_: try modprobe instead |
| 19:06.06 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: update-grub |
| 19:06.26 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, it didnt find the new kernel |
| 19:06.34 | earthian_ | hello, do you know if debian's etch postfix has support for the pcre: thingy? |
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| 19:06.55 | wols_ | earthian_: isn't that only in postfix 2.4? |
| 19:07.04 | wols_ | !find postfix |
| 19:07.17 | earthian_ | i dont know :s |
| 19:07.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'postfix' (6 of 38): (/etc/default/lire.d/postfix.cfg) in admin/lire ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters/postfix) in admin/cruft ;; (/etc/fail2ban/filter.d/postfix.conf) in net/fail2ban ;; (/usr/share/doc/clamsmtp/postfix.html) in mail/clamsmtp ;; (/etc/tenshi/includes-available/postfix) in admin/tenshi ;; (/usr/share/doc/dbmail/README.postfix.gz) in mail/dbmail. |
| 19:07.19 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: then it seems the package was not updated yet. apt-cache search linux-image k7 and install the version whcih is in unstable |
| 19:07.32 | hark | postfix-pcre |
| 19:08.01 | hark | earthian_: ^ |
| 19:08.18 | earthian_ | thanks hark |
| 19:08.20 | earthian_ | ;) |
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| 19:09.13 | rpc | !dpkg ntfs |
| 19:09.17 | hark | MaikBeckmann: it should work for 2.6.20 too |
| 19:09.26 | norbert_ | bzed: ok... that worked, I guess... there's still no /dev/video though... |
| 19:09.27 | rpc | !find ntfs-3g |
| 19:09.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ntfs-3g' (3): (/usr/lib/{libntfs-3g.so.0|libntfs-3g.so.0.0.0}) in libs/libntfs-3g0 ;; (/usr/lib/libntfs-3g.so, /usr/share/doc/libntfs-3g-dev) in libdevel/libntfs-3g-dev ;; (/usr/bin/ntfs-3g, /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g, /usr/share/doc/ntfs-3g) in otherosfs/ntfs-3g. |
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| 19:10.01 | NewCastleScott | hello all |
| 19:10.08 | NewCastleScott | Does anyone know of any apps I can use a xbox controller for?I am having troubbles getting it to work in mame.It shows up correctly in lsusb and all the buttons work with jstest /dev/input/js0 when I add /dev/input/js0 to mame default controller it gives me an error.I want to find another app the controller will work with to rule out the drivers. |
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| 19:10.18 | norbert_ | bzed: good part is that dmesg is showing: Linux video capture interface: v2.00 |
| 19:10.22 | paulfm | hey everyone |
| 19:10.27 | paulfm | been a while |
| 19:10.41 | bzed | norbert_: i have no clue about v4l, sorry |
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| 19:10.58 | norbert_ | no probs; thanks for the modprobe thing... |
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| 19:11.00 | hark | rpc: it's not there in etch.. you could backport it however or find the one that was in etch earlier |
| 19:11.12 | MaikBeckmann | hark: try it |
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| 19:11.24 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, how cna I tell what version linux-image-2.6-k7 is |
| 19:11.28 | paulfm | Can someone suggest a way to set up a static ip network behind a DHCP router.... |
| 19:11.41 | hark | K|NgGh0sT: apt-cache depends |
| 19:11.44 | bloodskin | i am like || close to completeing the nvidia method of installing the 64 bit drivers |
| 19:11.48 | rpc | hark, enouf: thank you, will read up on how to get ntfs-3g working in etch |
| 19:11.53 | paulfm | I have a small embedded PC that needs static info... it has no dhcp client... but my network is a DHCP net |
| 19:11.54 | rpc | i just can't imagine it's not there... |
| 19:11.58 | K|NgGh0sT | Looks like its,linux-image-2.6-k7_2.6.18+6 |
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| 19:12.17 | abrotman | paulfm: just give it an IP |
| 19:12.26 | abrotman | paulfm: outside the range the DHCP users |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | uses |
| 19:12.30 | K|NgGh0sT | but all grub can find is Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:12.52 | hark | rpc: there was a critical bug against it.. the version in etch was older compared to upstreams' and so in some cases resulted in data loss |
| 19:13.05 | paulfm | abrotman: well then it would not have internet access though. I need to requests to go through my dhcp router/cable mode |
| 19:13.11 | sep | paulfm, just pick a ip in the subnet, that is outside the scope of the dhcp server |
| 19:13.11 | MaikBeckmann | hark, you will get this |
| 19:13.13 | MaikBeckmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.17 | rpc | hark oh screw it then... will stick to read only |
| 19:13.21 | stew | rpc: ntfs-3g was removed from etch before it released: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:13.23 | bloodskin | The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in |
| 19:13.23 | bloodskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | paulfm: so give it a route and a gateway .. man 5 interfaces |
| 19:13.29 | bloodskin | how do i configure them? |
| 19:13.35 | rpc | stew hm.. |
| 19:13.45 | stew | bloodskin: upgrade module-assistant, you version has a bug |
| 19:13.45 | paulfm | Sorry - I didnt mention that it needs to have internet access... beyond the LAN & subnet |
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| 19:13.59 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I have the latest kernel Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:14.09 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, but thats all it finds |
| 19:14.18 | rpc | stew what do i risk when backporting ntfs-3g? |
| 19:14.32 | rpc | as i really would like to see it in action on etch |
| 19:14.40 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I have linux-image-2.6-k7_2.6.18-6 |
| 19:14.43 | stew | rpc: if there are bugs, they would be listed here: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:14.48 | stew | rpc: (known bugs) |
| 19:14.49 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: you repeat yourself |
| 19:14.50 | bloodskin | just out of curiosity, how do you know this stew? |
| 19:14.55 | paulfm | maybe there is some kind of setting in my route to trans late a static client IP into whatever the DCHP assigns it |
| 19:15.00 | rpc | thank you stew |
| 19:15.04 | rpc | (correct rofl) |
| 19:15.10 | stew | bloodskin: becuase the problem and the solution have been reported here recently |
| 19:15.15 | sep | paulfm, just give it a ip it's common |
| 19:15.39 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: not sure what you've messed up, but 1. I find a 2.6.20 in unstable and 2. I find the missing headers for your problem. |
| 19:15.47 | sep | and a gateway and a dns |
| 19:15.48 | sep | ofcourse |
| 19:15.49 | bloodskin | ahhh |
| 19:15.51 | bloodskin | i see |
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| 19:16.05 | paulfm | sep: but if I give it an IP.... my ISP does not know anything about the IP I madde up... how does it get access to the internet? |
| 19:16.06 | hark | rpc: and the one in the kernel is really just for file overwrite support IIRC, but #ntfs will know better :) |
| 19:16.20 | sep | thru your router ? |
| 19:16.23 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, all my sources are unstable, and thats what it found for me |
| 19:16.30 | scarface | is it possible to view/ change a modules parameters, which is currently loaded? |
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| 19:16.44 | stew | bloodskin: 16:50 < razor> what do i do when m-a says: Warning, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-1 seems to contain unconfigured kernel source 17:14 < razor> stew, after a little code reading, i found that an outdated module-assistant was the problem |
| 19:17.06 | zaphands | Hello. Does anyone know how to change the default editor? (so LinCVS will open gvim instead of vim) |
| 19:17.09 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 19:17.19 | bloodskin | ahh |
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| 19:17.23 | hark | !dbugs 417622 |
| 19:17.26 | dpkg | DONE:#417622:[ntfs-3g] NTFS-3g way too old, can cause data corrumption in rare conditions; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:12:02 UTC |
| 19:17.30 | hark | rpc: this one ^ |
| 19:17.37 | bloodskin | so would it be apt-get module-assistant? |
| 19:17.53 | bloodskin | or do i have to find it on the net |
| 19:18.02 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/459900 |
| 19:18.09 | bzed | bloodskin: no, that's rtight |
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| 19:18.25 | simonrvn | why bother with that crap? |
| 19:18.42 | stew | abrotman: uhh |
| 19:18.57 | Dave2 | abrotman, prefer a walking one? |
| 19:19.01 | bzed | abrotman: use a hexeditor to remove it from memory, too |
| 19:19.12 | simonrvn | make sure it crashes on you ;) |
| 19:19.18 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: you probably want to use an official mirror? |
| 19:19.34 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, isnt yorku office |
| 19:19.36 | K|NgGh0sT | offical |
| 19:19.49 | xingu | hmm |
| 19:20.02 | simonrvn | yorku.ca -- it is, official repo |
| 19:20.10 | xingu | 21 years on from chernobyl, and still no superheroes |
| 19:20.13 | simonrvn | not reliable sometimes... |
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| 19:20.38 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: no clue, but if you don't find the linux headers to you kernel, there must be somthing broken. also you want to add testing sources, in case there's somethign new in unstable but you need older stuff from testing as dependency... argh.. that explanation was weird,. but add it |
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| 19:21.13 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, can you gimme a site to use? |
| 19:21.46 | bloodskin | sideways your blood sprays in driveways like soundwaves at a night rave |
| 19:21.48 | wols_ | xingu: scratch chernobyl. It's 60+ years after hiroshima and no Hiro who can bend time and space yet |
| 19:21.49 | NewCastleScott | Does anyone know of any apps I can use a xbox controller for?I am having troubbles getting it to work in mame.It shows up correctly in lsusb and all the buttons work with jstest /dev/input/js0 when I add /dev/input/js0 to mame default controller it gives me an error.I want to find another app the controller will work with to rule out the drivers. |
| 19:22.00 | hark | MaikBeckmann: are you using the 2.6.20-1-k7 kernel? |
| 19:22.17 | MaikBeckmann | now |
| 19:22.20 | MaikBeckmann | no |
| 19:22.30 | coz_ | NewCastleScott, which version of mame are you using and which distrobution are you running |
| 19:22.44 | Nyle | !info xvidcap etch |
| 19:22.49 | MaikBeckmann | 2.6.20 optimized for core 2 duo |
| 19:22.53 | Nyle | okkk |
| 19:23.01 | NewCastleScott | Im on gentoo and I beleave its the newes verson I got it from portage yesterday |
| 19:23.07 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: ftp.ca.debian.org ? I guess that should exist |
| 19:23.13 | wols_ | Nyle: not in etch afaik |
| 19:23.15 | scarface | is it possible to work on eth0 modules without losing connection through ssh? |
| 19:23.27 | Nyle | wols_: ok |
| 19:23.28 | wols_ | NewCastleScott: you are in the wrong channel. didn't you realize that? |
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| 19:23.44 | wols_ | scarface: depends what work, but usually no |
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| 19:23.51 | NewCastleScott | coz_ lol Im in like 6 chanels trying to figure it out.... |
| 19:23.53 | hark | MaikBeckmann: ok, yeah found the bug in the BTS |
| 19:23.54 | Nyle | i was wondering why it wasn't showing up in my other box wols_ |
| 19:23.58 | Nyle | wols_: its in dmm |
| 19:24.01 | Nyle | marillat |
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| 19:24.12 | wols_ | NewCastleScott: we don't care. we only support debian, nothing else |
| 19:24.13 | MaikBeckmann | Its not a bug |
| 19:24.18 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm using apt-spy to find me stuff, one sec |
| 19:24.19 | scarface | wols_: I need to change its parameters for its loading |
| 19:24.23 | NewCastleScott | coz_ noone seems to know of any apps the xbox controller works with I want to rule out the drivers... |
| 19:24.31 | wols_ | scarface: ssh won#t survuve that |
| 19:24.40 | NewCastleScott | wols_ thanks for you supporting linux...... |
| 19:24.41 | rahul | NewCastleScott: try #linux |
| 19:24.47 | hark | !dbugs 420135 |
| 19:24.50 | dpkg | #420135:N[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source: Compile failes with GPL violation; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:38:23 UTC |
| 19:24.53 | wols_ | NewCastleScott: thanks for being unable to read |
| 19:24.57 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 19:24.58 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:25.03 | NewCastleScott | rahul I have been there for a while |
| 19:25.10 | scarface | wols_: crap ... or how can I check it my nic is set to full duplex? |
| 19:25.23 | wols_ | scarface: ifconfig or ethtool IIRC |
| 19:25.24 | rahul | NewCastleScott: so what do we have to do with it? |
| 19:25.33 | wols_ | scarface: qusually it tels you in dmesg too |
| 19:26.02 | wols_ | scarface: grep duplex /var/log/messages |
| 19:26.07 | NewCastleScott | wols_ I want to collaborate with other distros to see if anyone knows of any packages the xbox controller works with |
| 19:26.15 | wols_ | NewCastleScott: go away please |
| 19:26.16 | scarface | wols_: yep, dmesg says its set to half duplex ... arg ... |
| 19:26.25 | NewCastleScott | rahul I want to collaborate with other distros to see if anyone knows of any packages the xbox controller works with |
| 19:26.30 | wols_ | NewCastleScott: ##linux is the proper channel for that. NOT #debian |
| 19:26.32 | NewCastleScott | wols_ will do |
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| 19:26.48 | hark | for whatever reason, CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y is set |
| 19:27.10 | wols_ | hark: what I don#t get is why nvidia drivers want to use that |
| 19:27.34 | enouf | DMCA DRM hooks :-p |
| 19:27.34 | wols_ | I/O virtualization isn't available anyways, so what's the point for them? |
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| 19:27.55 | rahul | "collaborate"? what a fucking tool |
| 19:28.21 | wols_ | rahul: anything to get you an answer if you are desperately fishing... |
| 19:28.35 | enouf | recall , that's how they intend to control your ability to use/view Bluray, hd-dvd, or any hdmi content |
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| 19:29.23 | ferguscan | From a shell, how can I identify a Debian machine? |
| 19:29.23 | wols_ | enouf: that makes no sense |
| 19:29.23 | peterS | ferguscan: /etc/debian_version should be accurate |
| 19:29.24 | wols_ | there is no chance in hell, ever, that linux gets a (legel) hddvd player |
| 19:29.24 | ferguscan | That is, how can I know it's Debian, as opposed to some other Linux variant... |
| 19:29.24 | ferguscan | wols_, OK |
| 19:29.24 | enouf | wols_: nvidia binary blobs is what makes no sense |
| 19:29.28 | ferguscan | peterS, OK |
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| 19:29.33 | wols_ | ferguscan: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 is needed too |
| 19:29.50 | wols_ | peterS: ubuntu has /etc/debian_version too and $deity knows how many other debian derived distros |
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| 19:30.07 | wols_ | !tell ferguscan about debian version |
| 19:30.11 | peterS | wols_: yes but derived distros should put their own text in that file, not debian's text |
| 19:30.20 | wols_ | peterS: should != will |
| 19:30.30 | ferguscan | wols_, 2.3.6.ds1-10 |
| 19:30.36 | peterS | wols_: if a derived distro says "4.0" or "etch/sid" or "lenny/sid" in that file I'd consider it a pretty serious bug |
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| 19:30.54 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, now I have good sources.list what do I do to start a kernel upgrade |
| 19:31.08 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: you do NOT need a kernel upgrade |
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| 19:31.24 | wols_ | !nickometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 19:31.25 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, wols_ |
| 19:31.34 | wols_ | surprisingly low |
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| 19:32.07 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get -t unstable install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor |
| 19:32.09 | nologin | I have upgraded from sarge to etch in my laptop and the system keeps creating a nologin file, every time I must log in as root and remove the file, any hint how can I stop this from happening? |
| 19:32.10 | enouf | peterS: IIRC, someone (in the know) reviewed the DFSG concerning that file, abnd found nothing stating it's (non) requirements |
| 19:32.14 | bloodskin | updating the module assistant didnt help shit |
| 19:32.35 | bzed | !shit |
| 19:32.35 | dpkg | [shit] fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 19:32.51 | bloodskin | like i said |
| 19:32.55 | bloodskin | it didnt help shit |
| 19:32.57 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, its still using 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:33.17 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: yes and so what |
| 19:33.50 | xoz | nologin: grep inside /etc/init.d, look for the script that contains nologin. |
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| 19:33.56 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: run the line I gave you up there or go and use a typewriter |
| 19:34.28 | bloodskin | this is pissing me off |
| 19:34.48 | bloodskin | oo, ima try the one liner now that i have the source package |
| 19:35.04 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/459931 |
| 19:35.14 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, thats the error I get when starting x |
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| 19:36.04 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: go to hell, I give up on you as you're not able to follow a simple line |
| 19:36.24 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I followed that line |
| 19:36.27 | bloodskin | still failed |
| 19:36.32 | MaikBeckmann | bzed, nice |
| 19:36.33 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, I really did |
| 19:36.36 | MaikBeckmann | very nice |
| 19:36.39 | nologin | xoz: there is a rmnologin shell script, should I execute it once or what? |
| 19:36.41 | enouf | nologin: any kind of autologin kde stuffs .. or even gnome? .. is it a thinkpad or vaio? |
| 19:36.47 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: so what was the output of it |
| 19:36.51 | K|NgGh0sT | one sec |
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| 19:37.19 | nologin | enouf: I use gdm |
| 19:37.20 | wols_ | nologin: make it run as S99rmnologin in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 19:37.24 | K|NgGh0sT | http://pastebin.ca/459936 |
| 19:37.33 | bzed | MaikBeckmann: sorry, my mind reading powers did not come back yet. |
| 19:38.03 | MaikBeckmann | ok |
| 19:38.11 | wols_ | nologin: also look int /etc/pam.d/login |
| 19:38.18 | nologin | wols_: I already have S99rmnologin in /etc/rc2.d |
| 19:38.21 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: ok, did you see that there was an error? you could have told me that |
| 19:38.24 | BUMBACL0T | what is group? |
| 19:38.27 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed,I'm sorry, I'm not trying to piss you off |
| 19:38.31 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm trying to follow |
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| 19:38.57 | BUMBACL0T | when adding a user, does it matter what group i add it on? |
| 19:39.16 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: sorry, but my mind reading pwoers are still not back, you need to tell me if something I asked you to do resulted in an error |
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| 19:39.17 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: try modprobe nvidia; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:39.30 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: select nvidia in the reconfigure dialog |
| 19:39.45 | gniretar_work | if i accidentally delete my CRL how can i create a new, blank one without having to recreate the CA and rekey? |
| 19:40.08 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: keep the default use and add it to the other group you want afterwards |
| 19:40.11 | nologin | wols_: I can comment out this line in pam.d/login auth requisite pam_nologin.so |
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| 19:40.16 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, same error as before http://pastebin.ca/459931 |
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| 19:40.26 | xoz | nologin: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/1329.htm |
| 19:40.32 | wols_ | nologin: if you already have it, then it should be removed as soon as bootup is finished |
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| 19:41.00 | bloodskin | The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in |
| 19:41.00 | bloodskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.08 | bloodskin | updating the module assistant does not solve thsat |
| 19:41.10 | nologin | wols_: perhaps bootup considers it hasn't still finished? |
| 19:41.12 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, everytime i add user, i just do: adduser <username> or useradd <username> |
| 19:41.13 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: what's the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 19:41.49 | \amethyst | gniretar_work: openssl ca -gencrl |
| 19:41.52 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/459947 |
| 19:41.56 | enouf | nologin: do you have this ? ls -al /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:42.13 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: and? |
| 19:42.14 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: you've missed a -t unstable form the line up there |
| 19:42.25 | nologin | enouf_ yes I do |
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| 19:42.29 | xoz | nologin: check the order of scripts during bootup. yes, it can be that there are scripts running that prevents it from executing |
| 19:42.30 | bloodskin | can anyone help me? |
| 19:42.35 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: rmmod nvidia |
| 19:42.36 | enouf | nologin: and this /etc/rcS.d/S55bootmisc.sh |
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| 19:42.43 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 19:42.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:43.02 | bloodskin | i asked my real question |
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| 19:43.11 | bloodskin | how do i fix the following: |
| 19:43.11 | bloodskin | The most likely reason for this is that the kernel source files in |
| 19:43.11 | bloodskin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.20 | nologin | enouf: yes I do too |
| 19:43.28 | abrotman | are we under turkish attack again? |
| 19:43.39 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed,now do a apt-get -t unstable install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t unstable install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 19:43.40 | Nyle | I have yet to see 300 |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | ah .. guess not |
| 19:43.53 | Nyle | i read about it in my western civ class |
| 19:43.55 | chops | bloodskin: Have you installed headers? Where did the headers go? Was it /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18? |
| 19:44.05 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: rmmod nvidia; apt-get -t unstable install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia; depmod -a; modprobe nvidia; |
| 19:44.06 | Nyle | not the movie, but the actual events |
| 19:44.09 | Nyle | good stuff |
| 19:44.15 | nologin | I think will try editing pam.d/login and comment out the nologin line, so pam ignores nologin files |
| 19:44.19 | wols_ | Nyle: you haven't missed anything. both the comic and the movie are shit. the movie even more than the comic |
| 19:44.23 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, so can i make a group of root, where every user is with root access? |
| 19:44.26 | bloodskin | what i did was i got the source using apt get then extracted the tar.gz |
| 19:44.33 | wols_ | however if you like watching half naked men, you might like it |
| 19:44.35 | bloodskin | nothing else |
| 19:44.36 | enouf | nologin: could be a bug .. check the BTS .. also find your make/model at tuxmobil.org, linux-laptop.net, or thinkwiki.org |
| 19:44.43 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: no |
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| 19:44.45 | Nyle | wols_: I like that actor guy.. from ridick, and lotr, i think also a few other movies |
| 19:44.46 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: man sudo |
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| 19:44.56 | Nyle | wols_: hes cool, plus the trailer didn't look so bad |
| 19:44.59 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, so what's the point of group? |
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| 19:45.08 | nologin | enouf: but does it matter that I have a laptop or a desktop? |
| 19:45.13 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: permission granularity |
| 19:45.21 | nologin | enouf: sorry, what is BTS? |
| 19:45.24 | wols_ | !bts |
| 19:45.25 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:45.25 | chops | bloodskin: Most things want to compile against kernel source trees... in Debian that way is discouraged; you should install the appropriate linux-headers package and then compile against that. You shouldn't have to unpack anything. |
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| 19:45.33 | nologin | ok |
| 19:45.49 | xoz | nologin: have you checked the link i told you? |
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| 19:45.51 | enouf | nologin: i can't see how, unless some sort of firmware is involved |
| 19:45.57 | xoz | nologin: are you running unstable? |
| 19:45.59 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, oooo we're close |
| 19:46.00 | chops | bloodskin: I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, though, sorry... I haven't been paying attention to the channel. |
| 19:46.10 | nologin | xoz: the link you gave me is outdated and only a question and a reply |
| 19:46.13 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, one sec, someone is atmy door,will paste logs |
| 19:46.15 | wols_ | chops: your answer was right |
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| 19:46.21 | nologin | xoz: the link talks about unstable, but etch is stable now |
| 19:46.33 | nologin | xoz: I am running 4.0 |
| 19:46.37 | bloodskin | im trying to install the nvidia drivers for amd64. i tried the one liner but it says the kernel doesnt exist or some shit |
| 19:46.41 | wols_ | nologin: back then it was testing I guess. and the packages came from unstbale |
| 19:46.58 | hark | bloodskin: run m-a prepare first |
| 19:47.29 | nologin | I have had debian in my laptop for years, several upgrades and had never any issue with any nologin file, you never stop getting surprises |
| 19:47.41 | bzed | bloodskin: are you on etch? |
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| 19:47.48 | bloodskin | yessir |
| 19:47.50 | scarface | why is it, that I can modconf my 3c59x nic to full duplex and it keeps on working in that mode until I reboot. after that it works in half duplex again |
| 19:48.00 | bloodskin | etch amd64 |
| 19:48.01 | bzed | bloodskin: your own kernel? or the normal etch kernel? |
| 19:48.03 | hark | bloodskin: ah, uname -r? |
| 19:48.21 | bloodskin | 2.6.18 amd64 |
| 19:48.34 | wols_ | scarface: cause you didn't edit the proper config files to make it permanent? |
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| 19:48.59 | xand | scarface: when I set such things using ethtool they remain after reboot |
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| 19:49.02 | scarface | wols_: well what do I have to edit after I did set it up with modconf? never did that afaikr |
| 19:49.06 | bloodskin | its the stock kernel |
| 19:49.10 | bzed | bloodskin: ive the exact output of uname -r please |
| 19:49.12 | xoz | nologin: try to start with minimal init scripts... it might be one of those scripts not allowing rmnologin to proceed. |
| 19:49.25 | rahul | why do I get random text messages inviting me to parties? |
| 19:49.36 | bloodskin | a-m prepare is going. one second please |
| 19:49.42 | nologin | xoz: I have never played with init scripts, how should I proceed? |
| 19:49.56 | enouf | nologin: i presume you did waht dpkg's sarge->etch said ..yes? .. also read the release notes / errata, i suppose .. it's possible, as stated, something else is interfering .. have you updated && dist-upgrade? sources.list reflect that? security line (says stable or etch) too? |
| 19:50.00 | Regnad | rahul: Because you're popular? |
| 19:50.03 | jhujhiti | how can i make ssh and friends try ipv6 addresses before ipv4 addresses? both are configured, and both work fine if i use -4/-6 arguments, but i want it to default to -6 |
| 19:50.14 | rahul | I'm sure |
| 19:50.22 | wols_ | rahul: cause you were dumb enough to give out your mobile #? :P |
| 19:50.25 | rahul | none of the phone numbers show up on google |
| 19:50.37 | rahul | wols_: heh, I'm wondering who got it that I would get these messages |
| 19:50.37 | bloodskin | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 19:50.42 | xoz | nologin: avoid loading apache and other unnecessary things during startup. check what are the scripts loaded in rc2.d |
| 19:50.44 | bloodskin | is the full output |
| 19:50.45 | hark | jhujhiti: man sshd_config /ipv6 |
| 19:50.47 | nologin | enouf: I will try security, perhaps there is some latest bug fix |
| 19:51.07 | rahul | someone has free tickets for me to webster hall |
| 19:51.08 | jhujhiti | hark: i've already done that. there are only options to connect to "any" or one of them. there's no preference |
| 19:51.18 | nologin | xoz: should I remove files in rc.2? I see they are mainly soft links so no danger yes? |
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| 19:51.23 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, alright so the nvidia logo loads, then X exits, Here is my Xorg.0.log, http://pastebin.ca/459963 |
| 19:51.23 | bzed | bloodskin: do you ahve non-free and contrib in your sources.list |
| 19:51.28 | hark | jhujhiti: but yeah, any or one of them iirc ;) |
| 19:51.30 | wols_ | nologin: they are all symlinks |
| 19:51.36 | nologin | xoz: or should I rename them to some other thing? |
| 19:51.43 | bloodskin | not unless its default |
| 19:51.57 | stew | rahul: go buy a shiny shirt and some testosterone |
| 19:51.57 | bloodskin | one second, i will check |
| 19:52.04 | rahul | stew: heh. |
| 19:52.12 | jhujhiti | hark: it's got to be a configuration option somewhere though. etch is the first distribution that doesn't seem to do this by default -- and other apps will use ipv6 first. |
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| 19:52.19 | xoz | nologin: make a backup and remove those that are not important. start with a minimal daemons and see if the rmnologin still does not work. |
| 19:52.36 | scarface | xand: does ethtool work with my nic then? and how can I tell ethtool to go in 100 full duplex? |
| 19:52.37 | Nyle | rahul: hi |
| 19:52.50 | bloodskin | !search |
| 19:52.50 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 19:52.51 | Nyle | stew: ! |
| 19:52.51 | rahul | stew: hey... trey anastasio played at webster hall |
| 19:52.57 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: i can't see any error in there, try startx and see if that comes up with something useful. |
| 19:52.59 | rahul | Nyle: ho |
| 19:53.02 | Nyle | who is tray anastasio? |
| 19:53.04 | denken | is there some compat lib that can be installed to make firefox 2 (binary download) work under etch amd64? i keep getting "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0". I've tried searching debian lists, google, mozilla.com, etc. but i cant find anything amd64 specific. |
| 19:53.05 | Nyle | country singer? |
| 19:53.13 | enouf | rahul: webster hall is so 90s |
| 19:53.17 | Nyle | isn't he that american idol winner |
| 19:53.19 | enouf | :-p |
| 19:53.19 | nologin | xoz: If I see symlinks without destination, should I start with those? |
| 19:53.22 | rahul | enouf: yeah |
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| 19:53.26 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:53.30 | rahul | Nyle: from phish |
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| 19:53.34 | Nyle | god man its gettin old |
| 19:53.34 | denken | obviously, libgtk2.0-0 is already installed :P |
| 19:53.36 | Nyle | i dunno phish |
| 19:53.48 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/459968 thats a startx, same Nvidia logo, and then X quits |
| 19:53.49 | Nyle | strike me with boobs or something |
| 19:53.51 | Nyle | dammit |
| 19:53.51 | scarface | wols_: how do I make the change permanent then? |
| 19:53.53 | rahul | the penixstrike was old before it was factoided |
| 19:53.56 | enouf | you know phatty? that's phish's bro |
| 19:54.04 | rahul | why would I strike YOU with the boobs? |
| 19:54.10 | Nyle | man im trying to record my X desktop with xvidcap |
| 19:54.11 | rahul | I'd use them on myself |
| 19:54.12 | Nyle | its horribly slow |
| 19:54.13 | wols_ | scarface: dunno how you make it use full duplex |
| 19:54.22 | wols_ | scarface: module parameter? |
| 19:54.32 | scarface | wols_: I usually do it by module parameters in modconf |
| 19:54.33 | Nyle | no matter what i do.. I'm trying to record my Beryl desktop for someone, p4 3.2gh + 768mb ram |
| 19:54.34 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: and what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 19:54.54 | Nyle | what alternatives to xvidcap are there for video recording a desktop |
| 19:54.55 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:54.55 | wols_ | scarface: put the module in /etc/modules and edit /etc/modules.conf |
| 19:55.12 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, http://pastebin.ca/459963 |
| 19:55.14 | Nyle | something packaged in debian perhaps |
| 19:55.18 | xoz | nologin: make sure you do not remove the essential bootup scripts. only servers and daemons that are not important. yes, you can start with dead links. |
| 19:55.19 | scarface | wols_: uhm and where can I find the module? |
| 19:55.20 | hark | jhujhiti: ah, probably must have been compiled with --with-ipv4-default |
| 19:55.24 | bzed | Nyle: there's one tool that records a flash movie form a vnc session, just forgot the name |
| 19:55.31 | jhujhiti | hark: ick! |
| 19:55.37 | Nyle | i've heard of it |
| 19:55.37 | xoz | nologin: but backup first the entire folder |
| 19:55.38 | unix_infidel | bzed: camtasia? |
| 19:55.43 | jhujhiti | hark: can i recompile it without breaking something? |
| 19:55.56 | Nyle | my beryl desktop on my desktop-2 looks PHAT |
| 19:55.56 | nologin | xoz: ok, first backup folder perfect, will do now |
| 19:55.58 | xand | scarface: I don't know if it does, but ethtool -s ethX speed 100 or something |
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| 19:56.02 | Nyle | eye candy out the wazoo |
| 19:56.04 | \amethyst | scarface: In modconf you should see the module name |
| 19:56.07 | bloodskin | bzed: no i do not have that in there |
| 19:56.20 | nologin | xoz: apache2 is causing problems as I see, I can perhaps undo the symlink? |
| 19:56.26 | bzed | bloodskin: add non-free and contrib to each line in the sources.list then |
| 19:56.30 | xoz | nologin: yes |
| 19:56.34 | scarface | wols_: there is no modules.conf file on my system |
| 19:56.42 | bloodskin | just add those words at the end? |
| 19:56.44 | hark | jhujhiti: yeah, it's easy but lemme check |
| 19:57.01 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: now I think that there's something from your X missing... which desktop do you want to use? |
| 19:57.09 | K|NgGh0sT | KDE |
| 19:57.15 | K|NgGh0sT | albeit it doesnt matter |
| 19:57.18 | jhujhiti | hark: i can recompile a package and tell apt not to reinstall it with a binary? |
| 19:57.22 | nologin | xoz: rm S91apache2; touch S91apache2 perhaps? |
| 19:57.22 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get install xorg kde kdm |
| 19:57.28 | xoz | nologin: you can just start removing apache and reboot. isolate the script causing the problem. or you can make the number of rmnologin lower so that it starts ahead of the others. |
| 19:57.29 | \amethyst | scarface: When you find what it is (say, 3cxyz), create a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with the line "options 3cxyz mode=foo" where mode=foo is the parameter you're passing |
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| 19:57.46 | xoz | nologin: no need to touch it. |
| 19:57.56 | enouf | scarface: run update-modules |
| 19:58.00 | hark | jhujhiti: yes, you can set it on hold.. /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:58.00 | xoz | nologin: you have a backup anyway. |
| 19:58.14 | Nyle | hehe |
| 19:58.23 | bloodskin | bzed: just add those words at the end? |
| 19:58.31 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, this is bad http://pastebin.ca/459984 |
| 19:58.33 | nologin | xoz: Ok I understand, I keep a backup, and the number before the name is the order of execution? is it? |
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| 19:58.37 | Nyle | I just installed another 120mm fam in my clear side panel. its got blue and red lights |
| 19:58.40 | Nyle | its phat |
| 19:58.46 | xoz | nologin: better just rename S99rmnologin to S2rmnologin so that it starts earlier than the other scripts and reboot. |
| 19:58.46 | nologin | xoz: lower number means executed before? |
| 19:58.47 | rahul | Nyle: want to go see "Gym Class Heroes" free? |
| 19:58.50 | enouf | nologin: you could also install sysv-rc-conf and start/stop daemons scripts (per runlevel) right form there |
| 19:58.52 | Nyle | rahul: sure |
| 19:58.55 | rahul | heh |
| 19:58.55 | xoz | nologin: yes. |
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| 19:59.03 | Nyle | rahul: hopefully tomorrow i'll get a lot of money in my account from irs |
| 19:59.05 | scarface | enouf: ok did that ... lets reboot and see if it works out. also set the proper speed and duplex mode with ethtool |
| 19:59.05 | enouf | nologin: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 19:59.09 | scarface | brb |
| 19:59.10 | rahul | Nyle: call 917 734-1146 |
| 19:59.15 | Nyle | whos that? |
| 19:59.17 | bzed | bloodskin: yes |
| 19:59.17 | nologin | enough I will install it right now |
| 19:59.20 | xoz | nologin: s99rmnologin means it executes last. |
| 19:59.25 | rahul | Nyle: I don't know who that is, and he doesn't know who the band is |
| 19:59.25 | \amethyst | nologin: yes, but it should be a 2 digit number |
| 19:59.30 | jhujhiti | hark: is there a dpkg-howto for recompiling? |
| 19:59.31 | rahul | Nyle: got a random sms |
| 19:59.35 | Nyle | rahul: lol |
| 19:59.40 | Nyle | i aint' callin no random people |
| 19:59.46 | Nyle | i know you, and i hardly ever call you lol |
| 19:59.53 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: did you add the testing lines, did you run apt-0get update after that, did you choose a serious mirror? |
| 19:59.54 | rahul | heh |
| 19:59.55 | Nyle | let alone randoms |
| 20:00.04 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, yes yes and yes :) |
| 20:00.05 | rahul | then don't go see them :P |
| 20:00.26 | rahul | I'm going to hartford!! |
| 20:00.26 | Nyle | rahul: metal? |
| 20:00.26 | rahul | Nyle: no clue. never heard of them, and neither has the person with the tix |
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| 20:00.31 | nologin | xoz: two digit number? then S02rmnologin isnt it? |
| 20:00.45 | Nyle | rahul: any band named gym class heroes sounds like a buncha morons.. i'll pass i think.. why don't you tell me how it was |
| 20:00.52 | xoz | nologin: of course, file-rc is the easiest way to enable/disable scripts. /msg dpkg file-rc. |
| 20:00.53 | streuner | rahul: ever heard of 'COMETS ON FIRE'? |
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| 20:00.57 | xoz | nologin: yes. |
| 20:01.06 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: apt-get -t testing install xorg kde kdm |
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| 20:01.10 | rahul | Nyle: I'm not going |
| 20:01.11 | rahul | heh |
| 20:01.15 | rahul | streuner: no |
| 20:01.18 | Nyle | rahul: im watching necrophagist/sop/vc tour dates for nyc :D... I got my printer hooked up and im gonna create some new debian art and print some stickers |
| 20:01.26 | enouf | nologin: zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 20:01.32 | scarface | enouf: card is still running in half duplex :( |
| 20:01.43 | enouf | scarface: try another cable? |
| 20:01.45 | Nyle | rahul: I found a place that can print tshirts, front side, one logo, 10$/piece.. I can have them print some awesome debian t shirts |
| 20:01.47 | xoz | nologin: reboot and cross your finger. of course, this wont tell you which script is bad if you can login successfully |
| 20:01.48 | streuner | !listvals duplex |
| 20:01.50 | nologin | enouf I have installed sysv-rc-conf and I will config with this tool |
| 20:01.50 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'duplex' by value (1): raid 1. |
| 20:02.02 | rahul | Nyle: $10 is normal, yeah |
| 20:02.06 | \amethyst | nologin: and less /etc/init.d/README too |
| 20:02.10 | hark | jhujhiti: moment |
| 20:02.13 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, same, but if I type gdm, it loaded |
| 20:02.15 | rahul | Nyle: actually $10 is normal for both sides |
| 20:02.15 | scarface | enouf: no the cable is fine - for sure! |
| 20:02.20 | Nyle | rahul: color? |
| 20:02.25 | rahul | Nyle: no |
| 20:02.31 | Nyle | rahul: bw both sides , color only one side |
| 20:02.35 | enouf | scarface: what's at the other end? |
| 20:02.37 | rahul | Nyle: ah, cool |
| 20:02.43 | streuner | rahul: heh, 'Ozzy' goes to Munich, you have to about 60 Euros which are 80 bucks... |
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| 20:02.50 | streuner | rahul: pay* |
| 20:02.58 | scarface | enouf: my router where another debian etch box connects to with the same nic at 100fullduplx |
| 20:03.03 | rahul | streuner: bleh |
| 20:03.04 | \amethyst | scarface: so it goes into full-duplex successfully after you set it up in modconf? |
| 20:03.07 | nologin | right now I will unly prevent apache from starting, I think this will correct everything |
| 20:03.10 | enouf | NIC may be able to do full, but what about swtich/hub/router? |
| 20:03.11 | rahul | streuner: I hate that expensive shit |
| 20:03.14 | Nyle | I could have debian t shirts printed, then try to sell them and raise money for debian project.. maybe |
| 20:03.19 | rahul | streuner: you can never see the band anyway |
| 20:03.33 | streuner | rahul: Pink Floyd 15 years was the same prizes... |
| 20:03.35 | enouf | scarface: for shits and gigles, try a diff port on the router? |
| 20:03.37 | K|NgGh0sT | bzed, its broken, but anywho, http://pastebin.ca/459991 |
| 20:03.38 | Nyle | i give away free debian stickers that i print though.. when i have spare paper |
| 20:03.40 | rahul | streuner: see as in visually see the stage, let alone talk to them |
| 20:03.42 | Nyle | and ink |
| 20:03.54 | rahul | streuner: I only pay big bucks for festivals |
| 20:03.56 | streuner | rahul: hehe, iam not a groupie ;-) |
| 20:04.00 | Nyle | I got this neon blue mushroom/potleaf type debian logo idea |
| 20:04.10 | rahul | Nyle: haha |
| 20:04.10 | Nyle | im gonna try to see if i can make a cool image out of it |
| 20:04.11 | scarface | \amethyst: yes, if I delete the module and reinstall it with the parameters it goes flawlessly into full duplex and remains there until reboot |
| 20:04.12 | bloodskin | yea, uh |
| 20:04.21 | bloodskin | adding that stuff to the end of each line |
| 20:04.23 | \amethyst | scarface: what are the parameters? |
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| 20:04.29 | bloodskin | gave me even more errors |
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| 20:04.35 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: echo APT::Default-Release "testing"; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01default |
| 20:04.36 | rahul | streuner: heh, sometimes the bands introduce themselves to me :P |
| 20:04.45 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: after that, apt-get update and try kde again |
| 20:04.54 | scarface | debug=1 options=5 full_duplex=1 (3com 3c59x module) |
| 20:04.55 | Nyle | rahul: you should try to find out about Psyopus.. |
| 20:05.02 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: if you ahve bad luck, the kde package is really broken in testing, but it seems ok for me. |
| 20:05.08 | streuner | rahul: i only would pay for 'Woodstock' or/and 'Lorely' ;-) |
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| 20:05.13 | Nyle | rahul: i know the girl they used in the video is from nyc.. gonna find her man |
| 20:05.21 | rahul | hehe |
| 20:05.30 | \amethyst | scarface: So create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with the line options 3c59x debug=1 options=5 full_duplex=1 |
| 20:05.30 | rahul | Nyle: there's lotsof girls like that |
| 20:05.31 | bloodskin | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 20:05.34 | Nyle | The Pig Keepers Daughter |
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| 20:05.46 | bloodskin | is that what its supposed to look like bzed? |
| 20:05.47 | Nyle | bloodskin: yea |
| 20:05.50 | streuner | rahul: 'Lorely' is just great, its on a rock, fantastic ;-) |
| 20:05.58 | bloodskin | well that gave me an assload of errors |
| 20:06.09 | xoz | nologin: that's what the link tells you. the apache script is the suspect. |
| 20:06.12 | bzed | bloodskin: yes |
| 20:06.12 | Nyle | bloodskin: it shouldn't.. what errors did it give you |
| 20:06.14 | rahul | uh |
| 20:06.20 | rahul | Nyle: april 29, irving plaza |
| 20:06.28 | bzed | bloodskin: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 20:06.31 | bloodskin | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 20:06.43 | bloodskin | lmao, no i didnt |
| 20:06.44 | scarface | \amethyst: just tried vim /etc/modprobe.d/3c59x and landed in a file that already contains those parameters |
| 20:06.48 | Nyle | bloodskin: don't use ftp.debian.org but ftp.<your 2 letter country code>.debian.org or consult /msg dpkg mirrors for a mirror close by or use apt-spy |
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| 20:06.59 | streuner | rahul: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Loreley_mit_tal_von_linker_rheinseite.jpg |
| 20:07.10 | scarface | enouf: tried the different port earlier this day, but the ports/ cables are fine |
| 20:07.13 | rahul | Nyle: with cannibal corpse, heh |
| 20:07.16 | Nyle | streuner: you've seen Beerfest |
| 20:07.17 | bloodskin | ok |
| 20:07.18 | Nyle | \ |
| 20:07.19 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:07.34 | rahul | Nyle: shit... $22 tix, $24 DOS |
| 20:07.41 | Nyle | yeh screw that |
| 20:07.49 | Nyle | i'll watch some videos on youtube lol |
| 20:07.52 | rahul | hehe |
| 20:08.11 | Nyle | I only go see bands that I want, not just any old band i hate spending money on bands |
| 20:08.13 | rahul | it's a cannibal corpse show, that's why it's over $20 |
| 20:08.21 | Nyle | I'd pay to see a couple though.. tech death type |
| 20:08.24 | stew | Nyle: rahul: can you guys take it to -offtopic? |
| 20:08.34 | Nyle | my bad |
| 20:08.46 | rahul | sorry, I think we're done anyway |
| 20:09.06 | Nyle | rahul: yeh man, quit gettin me into trouble |
| 20:09.08 | \amethyst | scarface: do you have an /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
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| 20:09.17 | K|NgGh0sT | slutb0x:/home/mythtv# echo APT::Default-Release "testing"; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01default |
| 20:09.17 | K|NgGh0sT | APT::Default-Release testing |
| 20:09.29 | rahul | I AM TROUBLE |
| 20:09.29 | bzed | urgs |
| 20:09.34 | scarface | \amethyst: no I dont |
| 20:09.39 | bzed | K|NgGh0sT: echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01default |
| 20:09.46 | K|NgGh0sT | still broken packages |
| 20:09.54 | \amethyst | scarface: what does modprobe --version say? |
| 20:10.05 | rahul | ok, time to take a shower and stretch |
| 20:10.08 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you have to apt-get update after creating/editing that file |
| 20:10.13 | rahul | don't want to pull a muscle in the mosh pit |
| 20:10.14 | enouf | scarface: will that NIC not use frull duplex if you do NOT specify it as a param? .. i mean most newer NICs do that auto ,, is it an older one? why the special params? |
| 20:10.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Did |
| 20:10.22 | bloodskin | YAY it seems to be working |
| 20:10.31 | Nyle | bloodskin: what did you use? |
| 20:10.42 | bloodskin | apt-get update |
| 20:10.50 | Nyle | no, for your mirror |
| 20:10.52 | bloodskin | then the nvidia one liner |
| 20:10.59 | scarface | \amethyst: module-init-tools version 3.3-pre2 |
| 20:11.01 | bloodskin | oh, i didnt |
| 20:11.03 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy pkgname1 pkgname2..." for any packages giving you trouble |
| 20:11.14 | Nyle | bloodskin: so what was the problem? did you remove the nvidia installer crap from earlier ? |
| 20:11.15 | bloodskin | i was going to test this then do it |
| 20:11.31 | scarface | enouf: no it wont... ;) |
| 20:11.34 | Thms | what is the text tool to partition my disk please |
| 20:11.35 | bloodskin | the trash from earlier never even installed |
| 20:11.42 | bloodskin | i just needed to get the update is all |
| 20:11.43 | Nyle | Thms: cfdisk, fdisk, parted |
| 20:11.45 | lupine_85 | fdisk |
| 20:11.48 | enouf | scarface: time for a new $15 NIC ;-) |
| 20:11.51 | Nyle | i like cfdisk |
| 20:11.56 | \amethyst | scarface: if you unload the module then do modprobe -v 3c59x do the options appear anywhere? |
| 20:11.56 | Nyle | its nice |
| 20:11.57 | lupine_85 | fdisk > cfdisk :p |
| 20:12.06 | lupine_85 | isn't it ncurses? |
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| 20:12.13 | Nyle | personal pereference >>> * |
| 20:12.16 | Thms | Nyle: thanks |
| 20:12.19 | scarface | enouf: hehe well I got the exact same card in another etch up and running |
| 20:12.22 | Nyle | Thms: yup |
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| 20:12.30 | lupine_85 | eh, ah... no, it's MS fdisk style |
| 20:12.36 | scarface | \amethyst: let me try brb |
| 20:12.52 | lupine_85 | interesting, but I dislike the way it does the menu |
| 20:13.02 | scarface | \amethyst: dou you mean unload in modconf and then do a modprobe? |
| 20:13.11 | Nyle | I only partition when installing an OS |
| 20:13.19 | Nyle | I don't mess with stuff too much |
| 20:13.20 | \amethyst | scarface: you can unload from the command line with rmmod 3c59x |
| 20:13.31 | scarface | ok |
| 20:13.37 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, http://pastebin.ca/460013 |
| 20:13.42 | Nyle | hey, does ext3 get `fragmented`? |
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| 20:14.01 | soothsay | Where can I get documentation for /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 20:14.16 | bloodskin | is the kernel frame buffer interface advised? |
| 20:14.21 | Nyle | soothsay: man apt-pereferences ? maybe i can't recall |
| 20:14.28 | \amethyst | Nyle: http://www2.lut.fi/~ilonen/ext3_fragmentation.html |
| 20:14.45 | irule | lsusb says Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0951:1603 Kingston Technology how can I mount it on etch? thanks |
| 20:14.51 | Nyle | soothsay: man apt_pereferences |
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| 20:14.59 | Nyle | _ not - |
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| 20:14.59 | scarface | \amethyst: yes the options appear and the device is loaded perfectly in full duplex |
| 20:15.03 | soothsay | Nyle: Thanks |
| 20:15.05 | bloodskin | odd |
| 20:15.05 | Nyle | \amethyst: ok |
| 20:15.06 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: ok, so the default release is set correctly, now how about the aptitutde/apt-get command you are running and the output? |
| 20:15.34 | \amethyst | Nyle: if you get a filesystem close to full, it's going to be fragmented... ext3 doesn't get fragmented as quickly as, say, FAT |
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| 20:16.16 | enouf | soothsay: also /msg dpkg pinning |
| 20:16.23 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, http://pastebin.ca/460018 |
| 20:16.29 | \amethyst | scarface: but that's not happening on boot? |
| 20:16.38 | scarface | \amethyst: exactly |
| 20:16.42 | cosmonaut | What are OpenGL extensions and how can I install them? |
| 20:16.49 | \amethyst | scarface: does 3c59x appear in /etc/modules? |
| 20:18.14 | soothsay | enouf: Thank you |
| 20:18.15 | scarface | \amethyst: yes it does |
| 20:18.16 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: i'd recommend trying aptitude, not apt-get |
| 20:18.16 | enouf | scarface: any (which is crazy), it does not appear in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? which it shouldn't |
| 20:18.17 | \amethyst | scarface: aha, that's the problem. You'll need to add the options to the end of the 3c59x line there too |
| 20:18.19 | enouf | s/any/and |
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| 20:18.33 | \amethyst | scarface: 3c59x full_duplex=1 debug=1 whatever |
| 20:19.01 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: oh, i see the problem |
| 20:19.08 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you have kdebase-data installed from unstable |
| 20:19.19 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm on unstable |
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| 20:19.37 | scarface | enouf: nope modules' not in there |
| 20:19.41 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: the reason you cannot install kde from testing is that you have kdebase-data from instable installed |
| 20:19.46 | scarface | \amethyst: ok did that, reboot I guess :) |
| 20:19.57 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: you'll have to downgrade it or install kde from unstable |
| 20:20.00 | enouf | scarface: longshot, just covering all the bases :-) |
| 20:20.06 | scarface | brb |
| 20:20.09 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, how do i do that |
| 20:20.10 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: (and again, aptitude would probably have made this clearer) |
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| 20:20.40 | K|NgGh0sT | I just used aptitude |
| 20:20.52 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: aptitude isntall kde kdm kdebase-data=version |
| 20:21.03 | jhujhiti | hark: i found it -- but is there a way to see what the client was compiled with before? i don't want to change any more than that one option |
| 20:21.10 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: or remove kdebase-data and try again |
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| 20:21.26 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, you saw that I am using unstable though right |
| 20:21.28 | Topuzoglu | I've just installed etch and cannot mount my partitions? What can I do ? |
| 20:21.41 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.51 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: it looks like you are trying to install kde from testing |
| 20:21.58 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, Well, now that I guess the nvidia drivers are working, I need to get KDE working |
| 20:22.07 | K|NgGh0sT | stew,I've been following bzed |
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| 20:22.09 | cosmonaut | What are OpenGL extensions and how can I install them? |
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| 20:22.15 | h3sp4wn | Is there a sane way to replace cron entirely with fcron (I have them running concurrently at the moment rather just use fcron as can it handles both functions) |
| 20:22.29 | enouf | Topuzoglu: RAID? LVM? |
| 20:22.30 | scarface | \amethyst: enouf still back on half duplex :( |
| 20:22.40 | enouf | scarface: ouch |
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| 20:23.02 | Topuzoglu | enouf: what |
| 20:23.04 | bzed | stew: well, X is fine now, but it seems there's nothign to run within X |
| 20:23.26 | bzed | and kde is broken in unstable |
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| 20:23.31 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: get rid of the unstable lines in sources.list, aptitude update ; aptitude install kde kdebase-data=4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6 |
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| 20:23.36 | enouf | scarface: what does "/etc/init.d/networking restart" do? .. do you go from half to full then? |
| 20:23.36 | \amethyst | scarface: but if you rmmod 3c59x; modprobe -v 3c59x it's full-duplex? |
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| 20:23.55 | enouf | scarface: do \amethyst 's test first |
| 20:23.58 | scarface | \amethyst: exactly |
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| 20:24.13 | piztek | the computer sometimes turns off at boot, what can I do to fix this? |
| 20:24.23 | Topuzoglu | enouf: I could installed it but cannot mount other partitons. One of them is ext3 |
| 20:24.25 | scarface | let me try your hint enouf |
| 20:24.26 | scarface | brb |
| 20:24.29 | \amethyst | scarface: maybe your card takes longer to switch to full-duplex mode than the driver is expecting? |
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| 20:24.59 | piztek | does anyone know? |
| 20:25.02 | vin` | piztek: turns off at boot? |
| 20:25.03 | enouf | Topuzoglu: where and how dod you install etch? onto what? what else is there? |
| 20:25.09 | enouf | s/dod/did |
| 20:25.14 | piztek | vin`: yeah, the computer just turns off |
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| 20:25.20 | piztek | powers off |
| 20:25.37 | \amethyst | scarface: dirty hack: you could add an init script to do the rmmod and modprobe.... |
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| 20:26.05 | Topuzoglu | enouf: I installed it on my laptop with DVD and there are three ntfs partitions and one ext3 partition. |
| 20:26.11 | piztek | vin`: any idea? |
| 20:26.20 | vin` | piztek: could be due to heat, how hot does it get? |
| 20:26.21 | enouf | Topuzoglu: what command are you using to mount with? .. are the partitions listed in /etc/fstab? what's the error you get? |
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| 20:26.32 | scarface | enouf: I just did that and the eth0 interface was not coming back up, had to do a manual ifup eth0 then |
| 20:26.33 | piztek | it's not heat |
| 20:26.51 | cosmonaut | What are OpenGL extensions and how can I install them? |
| 20:27.23 | BUMBACL0T | hey, how do i download the .deb file using apt-get ? |
| 20:27.28 | enouf | scarface: ok .. and you're 100%sure you can't get full-duplex without those (your special) params? .. |
| 20:27.31 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, whats the difference between apt and aptitude? |
| 20:27.33 | stew | BUMBACL0T: with -d |
| 20:27.37 | BUMBACL0T | i don't want to install it, i just need the package |
| 20:27.39 | scarface | \amethyst: just like adding a script with rmmod 3c59x & modprobe -v 3c59x and thats it? |
| 20:27.40 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 20:27.41 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 20:27.53 | scarface | enouf: Im quite sure yes |
| 20:27.57 | \amethyst | scarface: what card is this, exactly? |
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| 20:28.21 | bloodskin | yay |
| 20:28.22 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: aptitude also has a frontend that will let you sort out complex dependency issues, giving you several alternatives of how to work it out |
| 20:28.25 | Topuzoglu | enough: I am using another disturibition now and cannot remember it properly. It is so long and They are in fstab but not in the mnt also I asked someone and he told me I may need kernel patch. |
| 20:28.36 | bloodskin | who told me to do apt-get update? |
| 20:28.37 | BUMBACL0T | stew, same thing with aptitude? |
| 20:28.46 | scarface | \amethyst: hmm its a 3com 3c590 (i guess) "vortex" or "boomerang" |
| 20:28.50 | stew | BUMBACL0T: check the manpage |
| 20:28.56 | enouf | Topuzoglu: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 20:29.11 | HostilePenguin | lets argue the apt-get vs. aptitude thingy and confuse everyone |
| 20:29.36 | enouf | Topuzoglu: you don't need any kernel patches to mount an ext3 FS using debian |
| 20:29.54 | enouf | nor any other distro i ever heard of |
| 20:29.55 | stew | Topuzoglu: what distribution are you using? what does "uname -r" return? |
| 20:30.24 | bloodskin | !help |
| 20:30.27 | piztek | so shutdown at bootup indicates what? |
| 20:30.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/yap/yetanotherpacman_1.11-1_i386.deb |
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| 20:30.34 | Topuzoglu | stew: pardus 2.6.18.8-82 |
| 20:30.35 | enouf | BUMBACL0T: installing aptitude-doc-en may help you too |
| 20:30.45 | bolt | wth is up with apt-get.org? can't seem to search for anything there |
| 20:30.46 | enouf | BUMBACL0T: or you fav language |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: AT WORK! |
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| 20:31.02 | J_P | hi all |
| 20:31.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: it has got a boss key! |
| 20:31.10 | bloodskin | !themes |
| 20:31.10 | dpkg | i heard themes is see theme |
| 20:31.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: set your clock .. i'm at work most every day until 530 Eastern time |
| 20:31.12 | stew | Topuzoglu: sorry, that is not something we support here, please find a channel that is specific to your distribution |
| 20:31.18 | abrotman | or 1730 .. whatever you choose |
| 20:31.20 | bloodskin | !theme |
| 20:31.20 | dpkg | theme is probably want gnome-themes? you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'... |
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| 20:31.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: don't you have a stack? put it up there |
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| 20:31.48 | Topuzoglu | stew: thanks |
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| 20:31.57 | \amethyst | scarface: you could put the commands in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:32.19 | enouf | Topuzoglu: we can't help you here .. not without you running debian .. if you have it installed, but can't mount it, try reviewing the installation guide...etc .. or come back when you can access the Debian machine .. you should have e2fsprogs installed |
| 20:32.20 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.32 | scarface | \amethyst: hmm ok how is it done? I tried to run something from rc.local but it didnt work out |
| 20:32.50 | piztek | nobody can help me? |
| 20:32.55 | \amethyst | scarface: didn't work out? |
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| 20:33.21 | \amethyst | scarface: does dmesg | grep duplex provide anything instructive? |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 20:33.28 | scarface | \amethyst: yes the rc.local file reads something like .."to activate set the execution bit" |
| 20:33.40 | K|NgGh0sT | wow the first time I've seen X in weeks |
| 20:33.45 | bolt | is there an alternative to apt-get.org to find packages not in the debian repositories? |
| 20:33.49 | enouf | stew: i understood him to mean (as best i could) that he couldn't mount his partitions after installing etch (weird , i know, and i asked about raid/lvm, to which he said none) , so he switched .. whatever |
| 20:33.57 | scarface | \amethyst: no that doesnt help alot :( |
| 20:34.12 | enouf | I thought maybe he was on a liveCD |
| 20:34.16 | \amethyst | scarface: chmod +x it then |
| 20:34.29 | \amethyst | scarface: or is /etc/rc.local already executable? |
| 20:34.43 | dsmith-work | So I want to upgrade an unbuntu box to Etch. I could just install Etch. Anyway I could do the upgrade in-place? Maybe with debootstrap? |
| 20:34.50 | scarface | shall I just add rmmod 3c59x and modprobe -v 3c59x ? |
| 20:35.03 | \amethyst | scarface: yes, before the exit 0 |
| 20:35.06 | cosmonaut | Hi, how can I remove the latest nvidia driver from my system? It's creating all kinds of issues. |
| 20:35.22 | stew | eh? |
| 20:35.27 | scarface | \amethyst: yea its set to executable - I did it |
| 20:35.29 | stew | modprobe -v in /etc/rc.local? why? |
| 20:35.38 | \amethyst | oh yeah, you don't need the -v |
| 20:35.45 | J_P | anyone can see that my log for help me why machine congeals ? http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/4530 |
| 20:35.47 | stew | \amethyst: why not /etc/modules? |
| 20:35.47 | scarface | ok |
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| 20:36.04 | enouf | cosmonaut: the nvidia.com binary blob? .. run the sh using the --uninstall option |
| 20:36.06 | \amethyst | stew: it seems the card won't go into full-duplex mode the first time the module is loaded |
| 20:36.13 | K|NgGh0sT | oh shit, now mythtv doesnt exist anymore |
| 20:36.35 | \amethyst | stew: even passing the full_duplex=1 option in /etc/modules |
| 20:36.39 | enouf | congeals? that's a new one |
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| 20:37.01 | cosmonaut | enouf: yeah, that's the one... I'll try that. |
| 20:37.04 | stew | that is an ancient driver, its hard to believe it would have such a fundmental bug |
| 20:37.09 | hark | jhujhiti: from debian/rules |
| 20:37.32 | \amethyst | I have a theory |
| 20:37.40 | bolt | 1 sites and 4 packages matched. Search took 325.703 seconds. |
| 20:37.41 | bolt | omfg |
| 20:37.44 | enouf | and i have $15 for a new NIC ;-) |
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| 20:38.12 | enouf | but killing bugs is much more fun |
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| 20:39.20 | \amethyst | What if the card isn't advertising full-duplex capability to its link partner until the module is loaded? |
| 20:39.46 | stew | \amethyst: what about ethtool in rc.local instead of modprobe? |
| 20:39.50 | enouf | dsmith-work: sure you can use debootstrap |
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| 20:40.04 | hark | jhujhiti: though it seems that the default behavior is indeed to attempt a connection via IPv6 and in case it fails will automatically switch to ipv4 |
| 20:40.07 | stew | \amethyst: or better yet in a pre-up line |
| 20:40.38 | enouf | what's with this rc.local file? .. sheesh |
| 20:40.57 | hark | heh |
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| 20:41.16 | kabile | hi |
| 20:41.17 | bloodskin | what is non-free? |
| 20:41.28 | jhujhiti | hark: hmm, yes... the configure script doesn't give me any option like that. |
| 20:41.31 | enouf | bloodskin: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 20:41.37 | jhujhiti | hark: thanks anyway -- i'll have to do some more googling |
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| 20:41.50 | kabile | i dont want squid log make zip, only write in access.log |
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| 20:42.17 | scarface | weird stuff really |
| 20:42.27 | xeihin | hi I have a debian etch with ngix |
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| 20:42.38 | hark | jhujhiti: you can see in the changelog as well, --with-ipv4-default was removed quite some time ago. |
| 20:43.04 | xeihin | I wanna use PHP with ngix but the wiki of ngix say somthing about spawn-fcgi, spawn-fcgi its in the lighttpd package |
| 20:43.26 | xeihin | is there another way to have ngix running with php? or I need to install lighttpd to have spawn-fcgi |
| 20:43.27 | xeihin | ? |
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| 20:45.40 | xeihin | some one? |
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| 20:49.26 | xeihin | grgrgrgrgrgrgrgr |
| 20:49.43 | \amethyst | xeihin: I for one have no idea what ngix is |
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| 20:50.19 | xeihin | ngix its a web server, apt-get install ngix |
| 20:50.38 | \amethyst | xeihin: It's not in debian |
| 20:50.45 | stew | !+info ngix |
| 20:50.46 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:50.49 | xeihin | of curse it is |
| 20:50.49 | kabile | how can i change apache error page notice ? |
| 20:50.52 | dpkg | Package 'ngix' does not exist. |
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| 20:50.57 | stew | xeihin: its not in debian |
| 20:51.02 | berkel | hi guys |
| 20:51.04 | \amethyst | there is no package in debian with ngix in the name even |
| 20:51.14 | \amethyst | or the description (at least in unstable) |
| 20:51.19 | xeihin | yes it is |
| 20:51.32 | xeihin | but I sayd the wrong name xD its nginx |
| 20:51.33 | xeihin | xD |
| 20:51.54 | kabile | for example: in Not Found page footer "Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.4.2 mod_fastcgi/2.4.2 mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-10 proxy_html/2.5 Server at www.genproc.gov.ru Port 80" |
| 20:52.04 | kabile | can i change this notice ? |
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| 20:52.27 | xeihin | let me reask |
| 20:52.37 | xeihin | hi I have a debian etch with nginx |
| 20:52.54 | xeihin | I wanna use PHP with ngix but the wiki of nginx say somthing about spawn-fcgi, spawn-fcgi its in the lighttpd package |
| 20:52.58 | \amethyst | kabile: ServerSignature Off in your apache conf |
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| 20:53.06 | xeihin | nginx* |
| 20:53.36 | xeihin | is there another way to have nginx running with php? or I need to install lighttpd to have spawn-fcgi to run php in fastcgi for nginx |
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| 20:54.00 | stew | xeihin: check /usr/share/doc/nginx/ |
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| 20:54.56 | BUMBACL0T | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.21 |
| 20:55.01 | berkel | i have a problem...i have fetchmail+postfix+mailbox+spamassassin+cyrus.....spamassassin find the spam...add the tag "SPAM" to mail...but the mail was sent to inbox folder....how can sent spam mail in the spam folder and not inbox? sorry for my english |
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| 20:56.05 | xeihin | ready, nothing about php and nginx |
| 20:56.42 | xeihin | the wiki of nginx talk about spawn-fcgi, but spawn-fcgi its in the lighttpd package, I need to install another web server to have nginx working with php? |
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| 20:57.09 | \amethyst | xeihin: or you can compile spawn-fcgi yourself |
| 20:57.30 | Cooner750 | hello |
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| 20:57.35 | xeihin | where is it? |
| 20:57.47 | xeihin | why guys you put spawn-fcgi in lighttpd package? ¬¬ |
| 20:58.24 | soothsay | I want to have my own private repository with customized packages and prefer those packages over other repositories. Is the best way to do this to use pinning and make a fake distribution name? |
| 20:58.26 | stew | xeihin: they must come from the same upstream tarball |
| 20:58.33 | Cooner750 | I installed webmin and, upon being done installing, it stated that I could access it at port 10000 over https. However, I get a Unable to Connect message in the browser. Even when using the machine's IP (192.168.0.104). I am not concerned about security with webmin itself because it will be used only on the local network |
| 20:58.42 | \amethyst | xeihin: because it's part of lighttpd upstream |
| 20:58.51 | bloodskin | weeeeeeee, updates |
| 20:59.05 | xeihin | and how to nginx with php in debian? |
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| 21:00.25 | Cooner750 | Must be a bug then |
| 21:00.33 | Cooner750 | I started Webmin manually using /etc/webmin/start and now it works |
| 21:00.43 | Cooner750 | But dpkg says that it's ready to be accessed after being installed, but it's not running |
| 21:00.50 | \amethyst | xeihin: install lighttpd, copy /usr/bin/spawn-fcgi to /usr/local/bin, then uninstall it |
| 21:00.57 | stew | Cooner750: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:01.04 | Cooner750 | Lenny |
| 21:01.13 | xeihin | what a bussines solution ¬¬ |
| 21:01.22 | stew | Cooner750: where did you get webmin? |
| 21:01.38 | stew | Cooner750: the only webmin packages i've seen for lenny were from upstream and they looked horribly packaged |
| 21:01.41 | Cooner750 | stew: From webmin's site |
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| 21:01.49 | stew | Cooner750: then you should probably ask them |
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| 21:01.53 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to allow regular users to access /dev/tape? |
| 21:02.03 | tarzeau | madclicker: add them to the group of it? |
| 21:02.10 | Cooner750 | it works now, it just has a problem where it says it's ready to use after Setting up, but it dosent start on it's own |
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| 21:02.21 | tarzeau | madclicker: or change the tape permissions? |
| 21:02.22 | madclicker | tarzeau, i did, do i have to logout and log back in? |
| 21:02.30 | tarzeau | madclicker: or use newgrp, yes |
| 21:03.06 | \amethyst | xeihin: File a bug against the nginx package asking that spawn-fcgi be included, or that it be moved into a common package |
| 21:03.15 | MaikBeckmann | Can anybody conform that compiling this c++ source : |
| 21:03.31 | madclicker | tarzeau, i used newgrp but "mt: /dev/st0: Permission denied", I guess i'll logout |
| 21:03.31 | MaikBeckmann | #include <string> int main(){ std::string str; } |
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| 21:03.34 | stew | if the problem is with spawn-fgci, the bug belongs on lighttpd |
| 21:03.55 | madclicker | tarzeau, i addad myself to groups : tape and backup |
| 21:03.59 | madclicker | added |
| 21:04.01 | MaikBeckmann | with g++-4.1 -fvisibility-inlines-hidden |
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| 21:04.01 | \amethyst | Yeah, if you want it to be split out into a common package, that would be a bug on lighttpd |
| 21:04.03 | MaikBeckmann | is broken |
| 21:04.06 | xeihin | how can I fill the bug |
| 21:04.06 | xeihin | ? |
| 21:04.25 | tarzeau | !reportbug |
| 21:04.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 21:04.32 | stew | xeihin: /msg dpkg reportbug ; the severity would be "wishlist" |
| 21:04.34 | MaikBeckmann | g++-4.1 (GCC) 4.1.3 20070423 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-4) |
| 21:04.52 | xeihin | lets see =) |
| 21:05.23 | rahul | oooooohhh the hunter looks at you with eyes to kill |
| 21:05.39 | Cooner750 | it seems that the webmin package is obviously not configured for Debian |
| 21:05.42 | Cooner750 | SMB is not |
| 21:05.43 | Cooner750 | However |
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| 21:05.52 | Cooner750 | I just need to know where some SMB stuff is located in Debian |
| 21:05.53 | bloodskin | how do i run a .bim file? |
| 21:05.58 | bloodskin | bin* |
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| 21:06.06 | \amethyst | Cooner750: where what smb stuff? the config files? |
| 21:06.09 | tarzeau | bloodskin: chmod +x the.bin; ./the.bin |
| 21:06.10 | Ghostee | stew,can you downgrade dists? |
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| 21:06.21 | bloodskin | ty |
| 21:06.32 | stew | Ghostee: no, /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 21:06.58 | bloodskin | SURVEY: which irc client are you using and why do you prefer it over the others? |
| 21:07.08 | stew | bloodskin: please don't |
| 21:07.16 | Cooner750 | I know the config file is in /etc/samba/ |
| 21:07.29 | Lamperi | who is SURVEY? |
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| 21:07.32 | Cooner750 | But it needs the location of the samba password file |
| 21:07.34 | tarzeau | bloodskin: irssi, runs in screen, doesn't waste screenspace like xchat |
| 21:07.37 | Cooner750 | and the executables |
| 21:07.46 | tarzeau | bloodskin: xchats problem is it's based on gtk |
| 21:07.53 | tarzeau | (not like qt is better :) |
| 21:07.57 | bloodskin | hmm |
| 21:08.08 | \amethyst | bloodskin: try out ii |
| 21:08.19 | bloodskin | ok |
| 21:08.27 | rajk | hi everyone. im playing an iso of a dvd by mounting it using loopback. my video seems to "tear" or get slightly fuzzy around the areas of high activity. anyone know why this might be? |
| 21:08.30 | xeihin | I can't fill a report |
| 21:08.35 | \amethyst | this ought to be fun |
| 21:08.35 | xeihin | I don't know how |
| 21:08.43 | bloodskin | god damn its raining hard |
| 21:08.50 | K|NgGh0sT | damn,looks like theres no mythtv package for unstable |
| 21:08.55 | K|NgGh0sT | now I'm screwed |
| 21:09.09 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: debian has never distributed mythtv becuase of patent issues |
| 21:09.27 | MaikBeckmann | Can anybody confirm that the newest g++-4.1 on sid is broken due to undefined references when the "-fvisibility-inlines-hidden" cflag is used? |
| 21:09.27 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, ya I use a debian-multimedia |
| 21:09.43 | stew | MaikBeckmann: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:10.09 | Cooner750 | Where is the smbpassword file located in Debian? |
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| 21:11.03 | MaikBeckmann | If I'm the only one who crashed his gcc it's not worth to file a bug, stew |
| 21:11.15 | MaikBeckmann | thus I'm asking |
| 21:11.30 | stew | MaikBeckmann: if we knew that gcc was broken, we would have filed a bug |
| 21:11.39 | stew | MaikBeckmann: so the answer to your question is in the bts |
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| 21:12.06 | xeihin | a lot of thinks to fix in debian and I don't know how to report a bug? |
| 21:12.24 | Ronin | !bts |
| 21:12.24 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:12.33 | Ronin | xeihin: what things need fixing? in which debian? |
| 21:12.57 | stew | xeihin: there are instructions at http://bugs.debian.org |
| 21:13.02 | xeihin | debian etch |
| 21:13.07 | bloodskin | so sun java doesnt fully support linux? |
| 21:13.12 | tarzeau | Cooner750: ask packages.debian.org ? |
| 21:13.20 | kabile | . |
| 21:13.22 | xeihin | you don't have spawn-fcgi in nginx package |
| 21:13.25 | tarzeau | Cooner750: maybe in some /usr/lib place |
| 21:13.33 | stew | bloodskin: what do you mean? |
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| 21:13.46 | xeihin | how do you think to work nginx with php? ¬¬ |
| 21:13.48 | MaikBeckmann | stew, .... forget about it |
| 21:13.49 | stew | xeihin: no, its in the lighttpd package, as you already know |
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| 21:14.23 | bloodskin | like, they dont have it fully operational? |
| 21:14.36 | xeihin | installing lighttpd to get running ngingx with php its like install postgres to administrate mysql? ¬¬ |
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| 21:14.56 | stew | bloodskin: afaik, its fully operational except for a missiing browser plugin for amd64 |
| 21:15.12 | xeihin | thats the think to report about the nginx package |
| 21:15.27 | bloodskin | lmao, go figure. thats what i have |
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| 21:15.55 | stew | xeihin: file a wishlist bug on lighttpd to have spawn-fcgi pacakged separately if you think that is appropriate |
| 21:16.11 | prego | algun español esta aqui? |
| 21:16.13 | stew | xeihin: its not a bug about the nginx package, but the lighttpd pacakge |
| 21:16.14 | stew | !es |
| 21:16.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:16.52 | xeihin | how to report ... |
| 21:17.07 | stew | xeihin: i already told you that http://bugs.debian.org has instructions |
| 21:17.08 | bloodskin | ok, so i ran the binary file. all it did was extract a ton of java stuff to the desktop |
| 21:17.09 | xeihin | ... |
| 21:17.28 | bloodskin | ... is exactly right at this point |
| 21:17.32 | berkel | i have a problem...i have fetchmail+postfix+mailbox+spamassassin+cyrus.....spamassassin find the spam...add the tag "SPAM" to mail...but the mail was sent to inbox folder....how can sent spam mail in the spam folder and not inbox? sorry for my english |
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| 21:17.44 | stew | bloodskin: why not use the debian pacakges of java? |
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| 21:18.11 | bloodskin | because thats too simple |
| 21:18.16 | MaikBeckmann | I found this bug at ubuntus launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.1/+bug/109262 |
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| 21:18.26 | berkel | please help me |
| 21:18.27 | MaikBeckmann | I thinks this hits Debian too |
| 21:18.39 | bloodskin | (and i didnt think to check into it) |
| 21:18.42 | livesN[box] | hey guys - how can I run a script whenever a user logs onto a graphical client ? |
| 21:18.54 | stew | MaikBeckmann: if so, and a bug is not yet filed with debian, please report it: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 21:19.03 | tarzeau | livesN[box]: using xsession ? |
| 21:19.08 | livesN[box] | like I want to start the VLC player when someone logs in.. I have the script.. everything works -- but I need to auto-launch it when the lo gin |
| 21:19.08 | tarzeau | livesN[box]: wdm or startx? |
| 21:19.24 | tarzeau | livesN[box]: look around in /etc/X11/*(/*) |
| 21:19.29 | livesN[box] | ok |
| 21:19.35 | stew | berkel: which MDA do you use? procmail? |
| 21:19.42 | livesN[box] | xsession might be just what I needed |
| 21:19.47 | berkel | stew: yes |
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| 21:19.54 | livesN[box] | forgot all about it.. |
| 21:19.58 | stew | berkel: write a procmail rule to match the spam header |
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| 21:20.12 | berkel | in postfix main.cf i have: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" |
| 21:20.31 | berkel | stew...i tried....but don't works... |
| 21:20.49 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 21:20.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:20.51 | stew | berkel: be more specific about what you've tried and how you know it doesn't work |
| 21:20.57 | MaikBeckmann | stew, thank you for telling me things I know |
| 21:21.01 | MaikBeckmann | bye |
| 21:21.22 | Cooner750 | What the hell is wrong with this thing |
| 21:21.22 | berkel | i have put in my home .procmailrc with those line |
| 21:21.22 | berkel | :0: |
| 21:21.22 | stew | MaikBeckmann: i'm just trying to be helpful. i'm sorry to have offended you |
| 21:21.22 | berkel | * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes |
| 21:21.22 | berkel | /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam |
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| 21:21.51 | streuner | stew: its hot in .de... |
| 21:21.53 | Ronin | heh |
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| 21:22.07 | streuner | heat makes people aggressive |
| 21:22.20 | Ronin | it certainly does |
| 21:22.37 | Ronin | explains the low violence rate up here whenits -40c, too damn cold to get angry |
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| 21:22.40 | nvz | aggression makes people hot |
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| 21:23.20 | eisen | we are doomed then |
| 21:23.38 | berkel | stew: ? |
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| 21:24.17 | nvz | holy firefox crashes, batman |
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| 21:24.56 | nvz | i had to make my firefox command run "killall firefox-bin" before launching firefox thats how unreliable it is |
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| 21:25.10 | tarzeau | i've got alias firefox=xlinks2 |
| 21:25.23 | UC|ORG|w0jtas | hi, how can i convert in bash "domain.com.db" to "domain.com" ?? |
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| 21:25.42 | streuner | well, that's NOT normal then :-) |
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| 21:25.52 | nvz | yeah well links2 aggrivates me cause it doesnt do tabs and usually when I am surfing I just have my mouse and I leave the keyboard sit on the monitor. |
| 21:25.53 | tarzeau | UC|ORG|w0jtas: basename domain.com.db .db |
| 21:25.59 | \amethyst | UC|ORG|w0jtas: convert what? an environment variable, a line of text? |
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| 21:26.15 | tarzeau | nvz: it can be controlled w/ mouse... i hate tabs |
| 21:26.22 | berkel | stew: are you? |
| 21:26.22 | nvz | i love links2 but I dont currently have a desk |
| 21:26.36 | nvz | tarzeau: it cannot cause it doesnt have buttons except a back button |
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| 21:26.48 | mnvl_ | it seems to me that if i manually start sshd, it will restart itself after a reboot |
| 21:26.55 | tarzeau | nvz: it's got more buttons (all the links) and the whole top bar |
| 21:27.02 | nevyn__ | mnvl_: nope |
| 21:27.09 | mnvl_ | but not necessarily if the shutdown isn't clean |
| 21:27.21 | mnvl_ | well, how do i make sure it does? |
| 21:27.26 | stew | berkel: huh? |
| 21:27.34 | nevyn | mnvl_: nope boot time startup is controled by the init scripts |
| 21:27.40 | nvz | tarzeau: xlinks must be different than links2 then |
| 21:27.47 | karsten | mnvl_: How do you make sure what does what? |
| 21:27.49 | nevyn | mnvl_: no process controls it's own startup at boot time |
| 21:28.02 | tarzeau | nvz: a shellscript for links2 -g "$@" |
| 21:28.25 | nevyn | mnvl_: grep efault /etc/inittab |
| 21:28.26 | berkel | <berkel> i have put in my home .procmailrc with those line |
| 21:28.26 | berkel | <berkel> :0: |
| 21:28.26 | berkel | <berkel> * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes |
| 21:28.26 | berkel | <berkel> /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam |
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| 21:28.29 | karsten | mnvl_: I suspect the answer is "sysvinit" and "update-rc.d" |
| 21:28.31 | nevyn | that's the default runlevel |
| 21:28.33 | rpc | how can i find out what process is accessing the hard drive? |
| 21:28.34 | nvz | well all I see is a grey bar at the top with <- |
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| 21:28.45 | bloodskin | [paster bot? |
| 21:28.45 | nevyn | then check /etc/rc<runlevel>.d |
| 21:28.48 | tarzeau | nvz: click into the middle |
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| 21:28.53 | bloodskin | !paster bot |
| 21:28.53 | berkel | stew: it's right? |
| 21:28.54 | dpkg | bot: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 21:28.57 | tarzeau | nvz: and you get the menu, as with f9 |
| 21:29.04 | stew | berkel: i don't know. i don't use procmail |
| 21:29.08 | nevyn | for a script named S??openssh-server or sshd or ssh or something |
| 21:29.13 | stew | berkel: i'm just trying to help you ask better questions |
| 21:29.29 | \amethyst | berkel: let me guess... the user doesn't have write access to that file? |
| 21:29.32 | nvz | tarzeau: I dont have an f9 on my mouse |
| 21:29.44 | tarzeau | nvz: you can just click left mouse button onto that top bar |
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| 21:29.56 | tarzeau | nvz: it's the same like pressing f9 on the keyboard, both work, only mouse, or only keyboard |
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| 21:30.09 | nvz | tarzeau: ah. |
| 21:30.18 | nevyn | mnvl_: it's S20ssh on my system |
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| 21:32.12 | berkel | amethyst: file have 644 permission....and root:root |
| 21:33.04 | enouf | hrmm cool, apt-cache showpkg <pkg> shows eithre more and/or diff info than i recall, including rdepends, and also compares versions if you have an older one already installed |
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| 21:34.17 | berkel | amethyst: i tried to chown fabio:users .procmailrc but it's the same |
| 21:34.37 | \amethyst | berkel: procmail runs as the user, so it can only write to files the user can write to |
| 21:34.57 | \amethyst | berkel: the permissions on /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam are the problem |
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| 21:36.06 | berkel | ah...spam directory have 700 with cyrus:cyrus |
| 21:36.30 | berkel | same permission of inbox folder... |
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| 21:36.37 | berkel | and mail was write in inbox |
| 21:36.53 | \amethyst | berkel: but not from procmailrc |
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| 21:38.42 | berkel | how must i set permission? |
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| 21:40.36 | rpc | is there a method of checking what process(es) is/are accessing certain device? |
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| 21:40.56 | ragnaks | hi guys, whats the command to get the process list? |
| 21:41.01 | rpc | ps aux |
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| 21:41.24 | rpc | e.g. i would like to know all the stuff that is making use of /dev/sdb1 at the moment |
| 21:41.52 | ragnaks | apache 7633 2.3 2.1 37204 21804 ? S 15:30 0:39 /usr/sbin/httpd <<<< how to get the specific php script apache is running?? |
| 21:42.13 | rpc | ragnaks you must be joking? |
| 21:42.40 | rpc | apache doesn't run php scripts, php4/5 does |
| 21:43.23 | rpc | ragnaks are you running debian, btw? |
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| 21:44.08 | cwheeler | rpc: fuser |
| 21:44.13 | cwheeler | or lsof |
| 21:44.24 | ragnaks | apache 7633 2.3 2.1 37204 21804 ? S 15:30 0:39 /usr/sbin/httpd <<<< how to get the specific file apache is running?? |
| 21:44.27 | rpc | cwheeler hm lsof sounds familiar but fuser sounds nice :) |
| 21:44.43 | rpc | ragnaks you probably can't read |
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| 21:45.01 | abrotman | HI! |
| 21:45.21 | streuner | damog: with what? :-) |
| 21:45.26 | rpc | abrotman cat /etc/hello/hi.txt > abrotman :) |
| 21:45.36 | damog | streuner: whiskas, he likes |
| 21:45.44 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:46.02 | jdjd | . |
| 21:46.07 | damog | .. |
| 21:46.21 | streuner | damog: do you go to debconf7? |
| 21:46.23 | ragnaks | i mean, i have like 20 processes with apache, seems they are hung , i want to know what are the sources |
| 21:46.40 | rpc | ragnaks are you a debian user, for the 2nd time asking? |
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| 21:47.00 | jdjd | Hi, except doom, what are other big game, free for linux |
| 21:47.03 | wols_ | ragnaks: look in your access.log |
| 21:47.10 | damog | streuner: only if I can make it to NYC |
| 21:47.19 | wols_ | besides: a php script page won't run more than ~30sec |
| 21:47.33 | streuner | damog: why, the flight is cheaper then? |
| 21:47.44 | wols_ | jdjd: enemy territory, dozens of Quake spinoffs |
| 21:47.45 | ragnaks | yeh |
| 21:47.55 | streuner | damog: or do you want visit abrotman? |
| 21:47.59 | wols_ | tremulous, freeciv, |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | why?!! |
| 21:48.26 | wols_ | abrotman: so you won#t starve |
| 21:48.32 | wols_ | you need more whiskas |
| 21:48.43 | abrotman | we have cheesesteaks! |
| 21:48.47 | streuner | s/whiskas/whiskey/ |
| 21:48.55 | wols_ | whiskas > cheesesteaks |
| 21:48.59 | wols_ | the TV ads say so |
| 21:49.20 | jandro | hello, i am trying to install debian with the netinstaller, the testing version lenny, but it doesnt recognize the network card of my laptop, so i can't continue the installation. I don't know why cause i remember it working in previous versions of debian, Any idea about? |
| 21:49.40 | wols_ | jandro: what card is it? |
| 21:49.44 | streuner | jandro: just use etch installer |
| 21:49.51 | damog | streuner: I have the money for the transatlantic flight, but only from NYC to LHL (IIRC), Liverpool, but I'm still not sure about my way to get to NYC |
| 21:49.58 | ragnaks | where is located access.log? |
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| 21:50.09 | damog | ragnaks: /var/log/apache2 |
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| 21:50.42 | scx | ragnaks: you can see the logs with YaST too |
| 21:50.49 | damog | Ewwww. |
| 21:50.55 | ev1s | jandro: try eth1 card |
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| 21:51.06 | streuner | ragnaks: or .../apache if you using apache 1.3 |
| 21:51.09 | damog | streuner: are you joining the fun at EDI? |
| 21:51.30 | wols_ | scx: yast? |
| 21:51.41 | streuner | damog: well, i'd would love to spent some days there, not sure atm |
| 21:51.41 | scx | oops, srry |
| 21:51.47 | fanti | which process mounts "tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs" on startup?? |
| 21:51.52 | scx | ragnaks: wrong cahnnel sorry |
| 21:52.04 | wols_ | fanti: mount does, only /sbin/mount mounts stuff... |
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| 21:52.27 | abrotman | streuner: have tyou been to any DC ? |
| 21:52.30 | streuner | damog: it was really fun in .mx, i hope these days would be (almost) the same fun |
| 21:52.38 | streuner | abrotman: no |
| 21:53.11 | damog | yeah |
| 21:53.19 | streuner | abrotman: i enjoyed only the scream, but that was fun pure... |
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| 21:53.31 | wols_ | fanti: grep -r (lib/init/rw /etc/* |
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| 21:54.23 | streuner | abrotman: its not that expensive to fly from .de to EDI - about 100 bucks |
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| 21:54.41 | damog | you should really take advantage of that |
| 21:54.45 | fanti | i disabled tmpfs in kernel but i get some error-messages on startup that complains about missing kernel-support. i want to avoid mounting tmpfs? |
| 21:54.49 | damog | streuner: to .ar on 08 will be way more expensive |
| 21:54.59 | streuner | damog: yeah |
| 21:55.07 | abrotman | i heard in .ar .. they'll let us sacrifice n000bs! |
| 21:55.16 | damog | boobs? |
| 21:55.34 | damog | nice ladies there :-) |
| 21:55.49 | streuner | they are everywhere |
| 21:55.53 | Dave2 | moobs? |
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| 21:56.21 | streuner | damog: there are everywhere nice ladies ;-) |
| 21:56.46 | damog | streuner: sure, but there more on some specific places :) |
| 21:56.46 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:57.33 | fanti | hmm tmpfs gets mounted by "/etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh" ... hmm |
| 21:57.58 | fanti | i guess it's not good to remove that mountkernfs.sh... |
| 21:57.58 | damog | european people should really take advantage that dc7 is on EDI |
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| 21:59.16 | JordiGH | And move to libc6 2.5 |
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| 21:59.35 | karsten | JordiGH: Warning: experimental plot details follow. |
| 22:00.14 | xingu | this is really bizarre, since I updated my bios this notebook's audio dynamic range has vastly improved |
| 22:00.18 | JordiGH | karsten: SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! |
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| 22:01.27 | karsten | JordiGH: Say it ain't so! |
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| 22:03.52 | xingu | oh cool |
| 22:04.17 | xingu | gnome 2.18's sound prefs allow you to select which alsa control the popup volume control changes |
| 22:04.19 | jdjd | I use debian sarge , and i use the distupgrade function, but now i loose the apt-setup function |
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| 22:04.46 | Ronin | jdjd: thats right, its been removed in etch up |
| 22:05.15 | jdjd | what the replacement |
| 22:05.53 | Ronin | none that im aware of |
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| 22:06.15 | jdjd | ok thnks |
| 22:06.49 | Ronin | jdjd: you want to tweak /etc/apt/sources.list i suspect? |
| 22:07.02 | jdjd | yes |
| 22:07.15 | Ronin | !tell jdjd about sources.list |
| 22:07.24 | jdjd | i know there is apt-cdrom to add new cdrom but i search a command like apt-ftp |
| 22:07.48 | abrotman | he can use apt-spy |
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| 22:08.13 | Ronin | that as well |
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| 22:09.24 | jdjd | abrotman i apt-get apt-spy, but i receive this messagre "warning : the following paquet has not been authentified(translate from french) |
| 22:09.52 | jdjd | is it recommend to say no |
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| 22:10.52 | Cooner750 | How can I check the version of glibc currently installed? |
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| 22:11.13 | Ahmadinejad | There is etch |
| 22:11.15 | Ahmadinejad | there is sid |
| 22:11.18 | Ahmadinejad | what more? |
| 22:11.21 | Ahmadinejad | *what else |
| 22:11.26 | cafuego | lenny, sarge |
| 22:11.32 | cafuego | potato, woody |
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| 22:11.45 | xingu | buzz, bo, hamm |
| 22:11.46 | bloodskin | woody is the newest, right? |
| 22:11.50 | xingu | rex :) |
| 22:11.50 | Ahmadinejad | etch is the most stable? |
| 22:11.52 | cafuego | bloodskin: yes, nearly |
| 22:11.56 | Ahmadinejad | ook |
| 22:12.00 | Ahmadinejad | i true woody:) |
| 22:12.03 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750: aptitude show libc6 | awk '/Version/ {printf "%s\n", $2}' |
| 22:12.03 | Ahmadinejad | *try |
| 22:12.05 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: No, sarge is. But etch is the newtest stable. |
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| 22:12.38 | cafuego | newest |
| 22:12.48 | Ahmadinejad | ok:) |
| 22:13.16 | Ahmadinejad | How they decide, something is stable or not? |
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| 22:13.30 | jdjd | i dont remember etch in toy story |
| 22:13.34 | cafuego | if there are no release-critical bugs, it's stable |
| 22:13.40 | cafuego | jdjd: etch-a-sketch |
| 22:13.53 | jdjd | ?? |
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| 22:14.02 | jdjd | is it the dog |
| 22:14.03 | jdjd | ? |
| 22:14.10 | cafuego | !slap jdjd |
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| 22:14.20 | cafuego | !fgi jdjd etch-a-sketch |
| 22:14.20 | dpkg | jdjd: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=etch-a-sketch |
| 22:14.27 | jdjd | the dog with the long body |
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| 22:14.28 | h3sp4wn | The rc bug graph never went down to zero for etch though |
| 22:14.45 | jdjd | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 22:14.46 | bloodskin | where do programs that you install usually install to? |
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| 22:14.57 | jdjd | caguedo thanks |
| 22:14.59 | cafuego | No, I suspect it may have been more important to faise a middle finger at AJ and release as soon as someone else was voted in. |
| 22:15.01 | Ahmadinejad | And if it isnt stable, there are release-crititcal bugs? |
| 22:15.02 | cafuego | Maybe. |
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| 22:15.18 | bloodskin | i.e. i installed iceape. where would i find the directory? |
| 22:15.20 | jdjd | cafuego what is the name of the dog with the long body |
| 22:15.27 | cafuego | jdjd: slink |
| 22:15.38 | jdjd | cafuego is it any debian slink version? |
| 22:15.53 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. linux is always so much stress. and i always give up and try again the next year.. and give up again.... |
| 22:15.58 | cafuego | Debian 2.1 was Slink |
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| 22:16.06 | jdjd | ok |
| 22:16.16 | jdjd | this dog is cute |
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| 22:16.25 | h3sp4wn | sid's dog is the best |
| 22:16.31 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: stress? |
| 22:16.31 | Dave_is_sexy | why, when installing Debian 4 XFCE can I not get online, but when installing with Gnome, I can. The desktop should be irrelevant |
| 22:16.46 | Dave_is_sexy | cafuego: every time |
| 22:16.51 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: are you in xfce now? |
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| 22:17.06 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: no i'm in win 2k |
| 22:17.20 | bloodskin | poor dave |
| 22:17.21 | Dave_is_sexy | (xfce has no internet) |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | jdjd: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update && aptitude install apt-spy |
| 22:17.45 | Ahmadinejad | Hmm |
| 22:17.50 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you know which driver your card uses? is it loaded? |
| 22:17.51 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: How do you connect to the net under Gnome? |
| 22:17.55 | Ahmadinejad | mono-apache-server2 is on the package site |
| 22:18.01 | Ahmadinejad | but not on sarge:S |
| 22:18.24 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: Sarge has mono? |
| 22:18.31 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: cafuego: in Gnome it just works straight away |
| 22:18.42 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: No, it doesn.t |
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| 22:18.50 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you have both the gnome version and the xfce version installed? or did you replace one with the other? |
| 22:19.21 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: format and replace the desktop each time. |
| 22:19.23 | Ahmadinejad | not the newst |
| 22:19.26 | cafuego | !info mono-apache-server2 |
| 22:19.30 | Ahmadinejad | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/mono-apache-server2 |
| 22:19.32 | dpkg | mono-apache-server2: (backend for mod_mono2 Apache module), section web, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 65 kB, Installed size: 248 kB |
| 22:19.37 | Ahmadinejad | It cant get that on sarge |
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| 22:20.33 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: Sarge doesn't contain mono, so that's not highly surprising. |
| 22:20.33 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you know what ethernet card you have? |
| 22:20.33 | Ahmadinejad | then tell me the newst |
| 22:20.33 | Ahmadinejad | etch have mono |
| 22:20.33 | cafuego | And I'm sure you don't want apache using up all your ram anyway |
| 22:20.33 | Ahmadinejad | But no of them this package |
| 22:20.39 | fanti | what is "tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)" used for? |
| 22:20.39 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: sid has it |
| 22:20.48 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: er, no. Realtek something. But it works in Gnome, so the drivers can't be the problem. It must be the config |
| 22:20.50 | Ahmadinejad | Dos apache use all my ram?:( |
| 22:20.52 | jdjd | any browser on linux support shockwave? |
| 22:21.03 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: No, but mono sure would. |
| 22:21.15 | cafuego | jdjd: No, there is no shockware for Linux. |
| 22:21.38 | cafuego | jdjd: However, you can run the windows 32bit plugin through cedega or crossover office (or maybe wine) |
| 22:21.49 | Ahmadinejad | Is php better?:D |
| 22:21.54 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: so i would guess that when you install gnome it is loading network-manager and when you are running xfce it isn't. afaik network-manager kinda completely takes over the networking |
| 22:22.09 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: It's certainly better suited to web application development yes. |
| 22:22.09 | ragnaks | where is located the apache file access.log? |
| 22:22.12 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: More mature. |
| 22:22.23 | cafuego | ragnaks: /var/log/apache |
| 22:22.27 | Dave_is_sexy | ah-ha. the network manager is what I want |
| 22:22.30 | Ahmadinejad | but, php code sucks:( |
| 22:22.36 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: Though I'd probably check out ruby/rails |
| 22:22.39 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: and when i look at the rdepends of network-mangager, i see gnome and kde but not xfce, this most certainly would explain why the two installs behave differently |
| 22:22.56 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: php sucks only as hard as the person who wrote it |
| 22:22.56 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you know, you can always install gnome then replece it with xfce |
| 22:22.56 | nvz | jdjd: most the browsers support plugins, its the makers of shockwave that don't support linux |
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| 22:23.09 | Ahmadinejad | I dosnt support codebehind |
| 22:23.14 | Ahmadinejad | and many other stuffs |
| 22:23.24 | Ahmadinejad | its like asp3 |
| 22:23.39 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: If it was invented by microsoft, not supporting it is probably a good thing[tm] |
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| 22:23.44 | nvz | jdjd: I'm not sure what has even become of shockwave.. I thought that was macromedia but adobe bought their flash technology I havent heard anything about shockwave in ages |
| 22:23.53 | cafuego | ASP sucks so badly, don't get me started. |
| 22:24.04 | nvz | nd now supposedly microsoft is comming out with some kind of flash type thing |
| 22:24.08 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: OR, when you boot xfce, i'd look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and see which interface (if any) is your realtek card (it should be obvious), then make sure that /etc/network/interfaces is configured for the correct interface |
| 22:24.30 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: its possible that /etc/network/interfaces is configured for eth0 when your ethernet card is actually eth1 |
| 22:24.35 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: If you were using network manager, all you need to do under xfce is to configure /etc/network/interfaces properly. |
| 22:24.36 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: now the thing is, I have to use apt, with no synaptic because it isn't part of XFCE. I have the Debian DVDs, but can't edit the damn sources.xxx file because I'm not root. if I try to log in as root I am told "bwahaha. not from this screen". then once I get past those obstacles i need to put test strings into sources.xx to point to the DVDs and install synaptic |
| 22:24.42 | nvz | joy to the world, eh |
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| 22:25.01 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: use "su" to become root |
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| 22:25.17 | Dave_is_sexy | cafuego: i see. my adapter is already default. is that enough? |
| 22:25.21 | cafuego | nvz: Those #$@#%$#@$ svg people should have gotten their acto together and come up with an open vector animation system |
| 22:25.35 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what do you mean by default? |
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| 22:26.00 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: If it's set up as 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' you should be fine |
| 22:26.02 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 22:26.13 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: I know, but that's just in terminal. I want to be su graphically. It's all well and good learning terminal and I'm all for it, but I want a bearable environment with internet first |
| 22:26.14 | stew | unelss his ethernet is eth1... |
| 22:26.25 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 22:26.40 | biopyte | hi. just in case someone cares: i think there is something wrong with "http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1322" thats the latest news on debian live system. its full of spam. viagra-like stuff and things. |
| 22:26.51 | cafuego | nvz: they wlasy come with an alternative WAY after there is a de-facto standard, like ogg/mp3. not useful. |
| 22:26.54 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: dunno, the installerasked me which one to make default (ethernet or firewire) and I said ethernet |
| 22:26.56 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you can launch a graphical editor as root from the terminal if you folllow the instructions in "/msg dpkg run stuff as root" |
| 22:27.16 | cafuego | s/wlasy/always/ (yeah, i dunno either) |
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| 22:27.27 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: well i'd double check to make sure things didn't get switched on you, it sounds like they probably did |
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| 22:27.37 | Dave_is_sexy | so i paste "/msg dpkg run stuff as root" into terminal? ? |
| 22:27.44 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: No, into irc. |
| 22:27.48 | Inc | hey, has the debian package of irssi 0.8.11 been updated yet? |
| 22:27.51 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: no, you type it into irc, dpkg is a bot here that will give you info |
| 22:27.55 | stew | Inc: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 22:27.58 | Dave_is_sexy | oh nice |
| 22:28.00 | cafuego | !info irssi stable |
| 22:28.03 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
| 22:28.18 | cafuego | Inc: Offhand I'd say no. |
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| 22:30.04 | nvz | cafuego: you lost me.. one I didnt know what you were referring to with the whole "svg...vector.." thing, and "they wlasy come" totally crashed my grammar module :P |
| 22:30.30 | mikey | dpkg: /msg dpkg lenny |
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| 22:31.01 | fanti | is there a way to tell debian not to use tmpfs on startup? |
| 22:31.11 | soothsay | I want to have my own private repository with customized packages and prefer those packages over other repositories. Is the best way to do this to use pinning and make a 'fake' distribution name (so that I can pin higher than unstable/stable/testing)? |
| 22:31.14 | Dave_is_sexy | ok. thanks for that then, that'll get me so far. Now, there used to be a guide which was all about things like getting cds to automount and unmount, and copy-paste works between applications. |
| 22:31.31 | Inc | lame |
| 22:31.48 | cafuego | nvz: it's way too early for me to be awake-ish yet, never mind |
| 22:31.49 | Inc | how long does it usually take for it to be updated? |
| 22:32.07 | cafuego | Inc: Major version updtaes never go into stable releases. |
| 22:32.37 | nvz | cafuego: heh |
| 22:32.50 | polishkoop | I'm trying to get my ipw 3945abg wireless card to run on etch. I installed the module, source, and firmware that was located in the apt repos, modprobed the ipw module, but it is not listed in iwconfig. lspci shows that the network controller is detected, and i don't see any errors concerning my card. How can i fix this? |
| 22:33.04 | Inc | cafuego: I'm talking unstable :) |
| 22:33.23 | muhoo | i'm feeling unstable |
| 22:33.45 | stew | polishkoop: iirc, there is a daemon that needs to be run as well |
| 22:34.21 | stew | polishkoop: apt-cache show ipw3945d |
| 22:34.23 | polishkoop | stew: thanks that fixed things right up. I appreciate |
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| 22:35.22 | Ahmadinejad | Whats the command to check whether XSP2 is installed or not? |
| 22:35.34 | rpc | how safe is AES? |
| 22:35.59 | rpc | i mean if i give it a 100 chars long phrase.. is there a chance of decrypting data still? |
| 22:36.26 | muhoo | is there a way to force gcc to generate 32-bit executables on a 64-bit system? |
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| 22:36.43 | rpc | muhoo afaik nope |
| 22:36.45 | muhoo | a very important (to me) program dies in 64-bit mode. it's not packaged for debian yet, i build it from source |
| 22:37.18 | rpc | that's why i quit debian64 for now... |
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| 22:37.20 | xingu | muhoo: -m32 |
| 22:37.22 | Dave_is_sexy | no-one able to help with the copy-paste ability, or automounting? |
| 22:37.32 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.33 | itchi | The etch netinstall not ask to setup the network :-s How come that? I not yet have a DHCP server here arround |
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| 22:37.43 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: i'd recommend installing ivman for automounting |
| 22:37.44 | rpc | xingu and that will work just fine then? |
| 22:37.57 | itchi | Looks like he skip it |
| 22:37.59 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is not working with copy/paste? |
| 22:38.04 | muhoo | so far i've had excellent luck with 64-bit etch |
| 22:38.15 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: oh really? I thought it'd just be editing a text file |
| 22:38.18 | muhoo | fast as hell. |
| 22:38.23 | muhoo | reliable, so far |
| 22:38.28 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: automounting? |
| 22:38.39 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: copy paste does not work between applicatons, as is always the case when i install a debian based distro |
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| 22:38.45 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: yeah |
| 22:38.54 | peterS | rpc: for almost all purposes, any modern block cipher, the weakest link is the passphrase |
| 22:38.59 | itchi | I can not fetch the packages haha. So i may go back with escape and look in the network section i guess |
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| 22:39.10 | peterS | rpc: that includes not only AES but blowfish, 3DES, rc4, etc. |
| 22:39.11 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: gnome includes gnome-volumn-manager, xfce doesn't have an automounter afaik. xubuntu uses ivman for automounting at least |
| 22:39.12 | xingu | rpc: providing that it's been built to support a 32bit target, yes |
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| 22:39.15 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: laast time i has ubuntu i had to add the ability but i dunno how now |
| 22:39.16 | muhoo | only problems i've had is one package that wasn't built correctly in etch repository (ams), and nspluginwrapper refusing to work with iceweasel. and of course, this one app that dies in 64-bit mode |
| 22:39.18 | LLamaBoy | Dave really is sexy |
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| 22:39.24 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: ubuntu uses gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:39.24 | xingu | rpc: not sure if it applies to the debian/amd64 builds |
| 22:39.26 | ledet | anyone with any experience with a dell powervault 220S disk array? I'm having trouble with one that keeps setting all it's drives to "failed"... even though some of the drives are brand new... |
| 22:39.30 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what applications? |
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| 22:40.12 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: well for example a url from seamonkey (iceape) to firefox (iceweasel) |
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| 22:40.59 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: just hilight the url in one, and middle click in the other |
| 22:41.07 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you should have no problems with copy paste |
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| 22:41.23 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: especially with those two apps |
| 22:41.30 | cafuego | ledet: No direct experience, just a fair amount of "the dell raid hardware sucks" from avriopus colleagues who are forced to use it. |
| 22:41.41 | cafuego | ledet: Though i don't suppose that's of any use to you. |
| 22:41.47 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: well you'd think not. lol. but if i close seamonkey before pasting, the clipboard content is forgotton |
| 22:41.57 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: yes, this is expected |
| 22:42.12 | ledet | cafuego: well, i'm forced to work with one too... and it acts weird... |
| 22:42.15 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: if you want it to not go away you are going to have to isntall some extra clipboard manager |
| 22:42.17 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: well with whatever it was i used to have, this did not hapen |
| 22:42.24 | cafuego | ledet: Is it logging anything about why it thinks the drives are failing? |
| 22:42.30 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: gnome includes glipper |
| 22:42.33 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ok i'll take that option |
| 22:42.49 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ah. it seems like gnome is much more capable |
| 22:43.00 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: or kde include klipper, both of those would make the clipboard contents persist beyond the app that provided them |
| 22:43.13 | cafuego | Dave_is_sexy: As far as integrated desktops go, yes, indeed. |
| 22:43.18 | ledet | cafuego: iot complains about one of the drives SCSI disk error : host 1 channel 0 id 0 lun 0 return code = 40001 |
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| 22:43.32 | ledet | cafuego: although that shouldnt make the whole thing fail... |
| 22:43.37 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: yes, xfce is mostly targetted at people that actually don't want all this stuff that gnome includes (becuase they wan't something with a smaller footprint) |
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| 22:44.13 | maddash | "Dave_is_sexy"? |
| 22:44.20 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: but i like xfce loads. it's really fast and has all awesome aps for everything |
| 22:44.26 | itchi | I have go back and defined a static ip + gateway ip and DNS in the installer menu. But it still fail to fetch the packages. Dmesg says that the card is been load |
| 22:44.27 | Dave_is_sexy | maddash: ;P |
| 22:44.31 | xingu | rpc: libc6-dev-i386 needed; otherwise - yes. |
| 22:44.38 | Dave2 | My window is full of highlights. |
| 22:44.39 | Dave2 | That is all. |
| 22:44.53 | cafuego | ledet: Funny thing is... google hit #2 and #3 on "scsi disk code 40001" refer to the PERC4 controller and a PV220S respectively. |
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| 22:46.07 | itchi | Heh, ping is not available on that netinstall. How do i check if the network works? ip addr is right, route too |
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| 22:46.10 | ledet | cafuego: got to that already... |
| 22:46.15 | ledet | cafuego: didnt help me much though |
| 22:46.37 | rpc | xingu thank you and sorry - was away for a sec |
| 22:46.49 | cafuego | ledet: Hit #1 suggests it may be a controller error. |
| 22:47.14 | rpc | peterS how long would it take to break AES-256 with 100 chars phrase? :) |
| 22:47.15 | itchi | The network card had been worked right before. I'm replacing a dead HDD, but this install give troubles |
| 22:47.23 | rpc | just wondering |
| 22:47.25 | ledet | cafuego: yes, i read that |
| 22:47.26 | peterS | rpc: 4 minutes |
| 22:47.30 | ledet | cafuego: and i guess that must be it |
| 22:47.35 | cafuego | rpc: Quite a while on your 486 SX 33 |
| 22:47.35 | fanti | no idea about how to disable tmpfs on startup??? |
| 22:47.36 | rpc | peterS pardon? |
| 22:47.48 | ledet | cafuego: chances are that a whole bunch of disks arent just going to fail all at once |
| 22:48.03 | cafuego | ledet: Correct. Is the system under warranty? |
| 22:48.04 | peterS | rpc: well, assuming you start 100 years from now and use hardware bought at that time |
| 22:48.06 | rpc | cafuego so what is better to use than AES? |
| 22:48.15 | Dave_is_sexy | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. WTF?! |
| 22:48.16 | itchi | What's the alternative tools of ping? |
| 22:48.18 | rpc | peterS lol nice |
| 22:48.32 | cafuego | ledet: Actually, there *is* a chance a whole bunch of disks would fail at once if they all share the same batch number and have a production error. |
| 22:48.40 | rpc | and i thought you were serious for a sec :) |
| 22:48.46 | itchi | Light on the switch is 'on'. So it look like it work |
| 22:48.48 | the_empty | peterS, s/100/10/ |
| 22:48.50 | ledet | cafuego: true... this is not the case |
| 22:48.57 | Dave_is_sexy | you know, i'm just going to log in as root. how do i stop the stupid thing from preventing me??? |
| 22:49.04 | cafuego | ledet: Got a scsi cable you could swap out? |
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| 22:49.09 | peterS | rpc: if the 100-char passphrase is English text, assume at most 2 bits of entropy per byte, so that's a 200-bit or shorter key. hmmm. |
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| 22:49.20 | rpc | cafuego btw i still have a 486-SX-25 with a nice mobo if you are interested? |
| 22:49.45 | ledet | cafuego: no, only got the one attached :( |
| 22:49.50 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you don't want to login as root to X. just run "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" before you run "su" |
| 22:49.51 | doudou | I search cd writer without gnome or qt, i saw graveman but package does not exist |
| 22:49.55 | cafuego | rpc: No thank you, I virtualise that stuff by running xen in vmware. |
| 22:50.00 | liable | itchi: can you ping it from another machine? |
| 22:50.02 | rpc | peterS i won't use dictionary for that phrase.. does it make it stronger? i believe so |
| 22:50.04 | doudou | maybe from bash |
| 22:50.10 | itchi | liable: There is no ping on the netinstall |
| 22:50.18 | itchi | liable: I just tested heh, with wget, the network works |
| 22:50.27 | rpc | cafuego there is nothing but a lick of hot 486-SX-25 :) |
| 22:50.36 | itchi | liable: But used a ip, i suspect the DNS now |
| 22:50.42 | rpc | and that you can't emulate :) |
| 22:50.43 | peterS | rpc: what I don't quite understand is why you think this is a topic for #debian |
| 22:50.48 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: the reason xfce loads so fast for you is that it is missing all the stuff that gnome has that it seems that you actually want |
| 22:50.59 | rpc | peterS because there are smart people like you inside |
| 22:51.08 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: i do want to log in as root to x. everything i want to do needs root access. i have no internet, so no security risks. i would just like control of my system. linspire has the right idea |
| 22:51.14 | peterS | that's a non sequitur, and flattery will not get you everywhere |
| 22:51.24 | cafuego | ledet: Hrm.... I don't really know then. My first thought would be to swap the cable and/or controller. |
| 22:51.24 | rpc | peterS debian is becoming a great hideout for geeks from what i noticed so far :) |
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| 22:51.52 | itchi | liable: Weird, wget http://www.google.be works :-s |
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| 22:52.17 | mikes1 | peterS: 4.0 is a great "end user' distro |
| 22:52.24 | itchi | liable: So it may not a DNS trouble too. Right? |
| 22:52.26 | mikes1 | Very easy |
| 22:52.47 | rpc | itchi i love google.no myself :) |
| 22:52.47 | peterS | mikes1: works for me. though I suppose there's a case to be made that I'm not solely an end user |
| 22:52.55 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: yeah but i'm abstaining from using gnome. i don't like it's applications and my comp is very underpowered. also it's terrible at the vertical task bar thing |
| 22:53.22 | mikes1 | Dave_is_sexy: What spec/ |
| 22:53.49 | liable | itchi: but other site dont work? |
| 22:54.03 | itchi | liable: I can not fetch the packages, i'm reinstalling a box |
| 22:54.05 | ledet | cafuego: i'll try t mess with the cable a bit |
| 22:54.15 | itchi | liable: I'm still in the 'installer' |
| 22:54.36 | liable | itchi: yes, but you obviously have another working box on the lan? |
| 22:54.41 | Dave_is_sexy | mekes1: it doens't matter! I wanna be root!! I just wanna be freeking root and have the machine listen to me for a change. i don't care about freekin good practice the os will only be wiped off tomorrow anyway. and don't ask why. just tell me how to be root in X |
| 22:54.50 | itchi | liable: Yes, i'm on the laptop here |
| 22:55.00 | liable | itchi: do a traceroute to ftp.debian.org |
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| 22:55.14 | itchi | liable: It's just one client where it happend, where i'm installing a brand new debian |
| 22:55.17 | itchi | liable: ok |
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| 22:56.07 | itchi | liable: That cd sucks, traceroute is not available :-s nor ping and such :-( |
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| 22:56.33 | liable | itchi: i meant from the other machine |
| 22:58.38 | itchi | liable: http://pastebin.ca/460234 |
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| 22:59.14 | Dave_is_sexy | oh come on. the whole internet is just full of people saying "i'm not telling you how to do that". it's retarded, the information cannot be found through page after page of "oh, don't do that" |
| 22:59.34 | itchi | liable: So, that been work right heh? I have tried different mirrors, all happend |
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| 23:00.04 | itchi | In tty4 i got W: Could'n stats the spackage ... |
| 23:00.11 | liable | itchi: yes, that looks ok |
| 23:00.34 | itchi | A bit sad that there is not a basic tool to check the network :-( |
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| 23:02.25 | rpc | i don't get this: |
| 23:02.26 | rpc | sda 346.00 40176.00 72.00 40176 72 |
| 23:02.26 | rpc | sdb 95.00 760.00 43164.00 760 43164 |
| 23:02.39 | rpc | i'm moving 40GB of files from sda (ext3) to sdb (reiser) |
| 23:02.53 | rpc | why is my sda exhausted so much compared to relaxed sdb? |
| 23:03.03 | rpc | is it the fs that makes this difference? |
| 23:03.26 | rpc | both drives are identical |
| 23:03.39 | StyXman | hi all. I have a disk wich used to be the slave of an raid1 device. the master failed and I had to do a lot of stuff to make that disk work again (don't ask). thing is, I'm building a new raid1 array, but with it as master. but mdadm --assemble /dev/md1 /dev/sda2 says it's a spare. it has that info stored in the superblock. is there a way to wipe that info? |
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| 23:06.32 | asarch | how can i fix a dependency cycle problem? |
| 23:07.05 | itchi | Kinda weird, cause the network on that computer seems to work, i can ping to it, wget a file from it, but when the installer need to fetch the packages, he fail to fetch these. |
| 23:07.12 | stew | asarch: show us the command you are using and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:07.34 | stew | itchi: are you trying to use http or ftp to fetch packages/ |
| 23:07.35 | ledet | cafuego: massaging the cable a bit seems to have helped for now, although that's probably not a very good lasting solution :) |
| 23:07.42 | itchi | stew: I have tried both |
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| 23:08.10 | itchi | stew: I have also a internal mirror, i make use of apt-proxy. But that don't work too |
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| 23:08.45 | asarch | stew: I have a PC without Internet conection and I am trying to upgrade it with the three Etch's DVD with apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 23:09.16 | stew | asarch: are you following the upgrade procedure in the releasenotes? (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 23:09.24 | asarch | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend x11-common for xserver-xorg, probably a dependency cicle |
| 23:09.54 | stew | asarch: did you sucessfully "aptitude upgrade" before running dist-upgrade? |
| 23:09.58 | itchi | stew: I suspected the DNS/route, but wget http://www.google.be work |
| 23:10.27 | stew | itchi: do you see the file that the installer is trying to fetch? can you wget that? |
| 23:10.31 | itchi | stew: Cause i'm missing ping and all the classic tools right now, it's still minimal on the netinstall |
| 23:10.39 | itchi | stew: Moment, i move |
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| 23:11.04 | BUMBACL0T | drwxr-xr-x 22 users1 user2 4.0K 2007-04-26 18:41 user3 |
| 23:11.09 | BUMBACL0T | can someone explain this to me |
| 23:11.15 | malheur | hi |
| 23:11.18 | BUMBACL0T | which is which |
| 23:11.36 | itchi | stew: I'm in "Configure the package manager" of the netinstall |
| 23:11.40 | BUMBACL0T | user1 is the user and user2 is group and user3 is the folder ? |
| 23:11.41 | stew | BUMBACL0T: user1 owns the file, user2 is the group that owns the file, user3 is the name of the file |
| 23:12.03 | stew | BUMBACL0T: yes, the d at the beginning indicates that user3 is actually a directory, not a file |
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| 23:12.17 | itchi | stew: wtf, now with another random one it work. Use non-freen software. Heh, kinda weird |
| 23:12.43 | itchi | stew: I tried 7 times; at least |
| 23:13.18 | stew | itchi: sounds like a bad mirror, or you are having temporary connection problems to that mirror |
| 23:13.19 | malheur | can anyone help me with this: "rssh_chroot_helper[27860]: execv() failed, /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server: No such file or directory"? |
| 23:13.27 | Nyle | itchi: if you select the bottommost option of tasksel at the end of install it will/should install all sorts of stuff for a basic system |
| 23:13.32 | itchi | stew: hhhm, wait, i talked to fast |
| 23:13.38 | BUMBACL0T | stew, it gives me an error: |
| 23:13.38 | BUMBACL0T | Connected to 192.168.1.100. |
| 23:13.39 | BUMBACL0T | 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot locate user specified in 'ftp_username':ftp |
| 23:13.39 | Nyle | like net tools etc. |
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| 23:13.55 | itchi | stew: Dunno, there is somethings wrong that happend with the network |
| 23:14.15 | asarch | stew: Wait, is working |
| 23:14.26 | itchi | stew: This time, it have start, but fail fast too. So it have work, heh |
| 23:14.40 | stew | asarch: you really want to follow the procedure in the release notes |
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| 23:15.01 | Edwin | i am trying to do port forward using debina |
| 23:15.11 | Edwin | ]but i get port filtered |
| 23:15.27 | Edwin | and i cant connect to service |
| 23:15.38 | stew | BUMBACL0T: it sounds like vsftpd is expecting to find a user named 'ftp' on the system and isn't finding one. what does "getent passwd ftp" return? |
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| 23:15.46 | webmind | hello |
| 23:15.53 | malheur | Edwin: do you use iptables? |
| 23:15.53 | stew | Edwin: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" return? |
| 23:16.06 | Edwin | malheur yes |
| 23:16.13 | Edwin | stew :1 |
| 23:16.25 | Edwin | i am using this rules |
| 23:16.38 | BUMBACL0T | stew, nothing, but the username ftp is deleted |
| 23:16.47 | Edwin | paste |
| 23:16.59 | webmind | I'm trying to follow: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179, which seems a bit outdated. and it uses 'equivs-control' |
| 23:17.02 | itchi | nah, cable is very ok. The ligth is been 'on' on the switch. But not on the back side of the computer. I thought there was a light too |
| 23:17.07 | stew | Edwin: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:17.14 | webmind | but I'm not really allowed to install equivs from my system |
| 23:17.16 | Edwin | stew:ok |
| 23:17.29 | asarch | stew: Thank you very much for the info |
| 23:17.31 | webmind | that is, it's very persuasive not to install it |
| 23:17.49 | asarch | stew: I'll follow the guideliness |
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| 23:18.54 | itchi | Bah, otherwise i download the first CD there, just need fluxbox right now and all the basic network tools |
| 23:19.25 | itchi | But i would like to know what happend heh. If someone can help me to try to debug this? |
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| 23:21.10 | bloodskin | does debian use "freetype-devel package"? or does it have an alternative |
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| 23:22.13 | bzed | !tell bloodskin about search |
| 23:22.34 | stew | bloodskin: in general, a package that was 'foo-devel' on redhat is probably something like 'libfoo*-dev' on debian |
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| 23:22.55 | stew | bloodskin: where * could be empty, could be a number maybe |
| 23:23.28 | bloodskin | ? |
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| 23:23.34 | Edwin | stew:http://pastebin.ca/460258 these are the rules that i use |
| 23:23.39 | bloodskin | ooooooo, nevermind, i see it |
| 23:23.58 | bloodskin | ed, i used search. i got no results |
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| 23:24.34 | Edwin | malheur: these are the rules that i use http://pastebin.ca/460258 |
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| 23:25.30 | littleboy | hey |
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| 23:25.55 | malheur | Edwin: got it :) |
| 23:26.08 | Edwin | malheur: ?? |
| 23:26.32 | littleboy | i repartritioned my hdd with cfdisk (deleted swap part., and recreated a partition again as fs type: Linux) .. |
| 23:26.37 | littleboy | the partition was sda6 |
| 23:26.43 | littleboy | now it's sda4. |
| 23:26.51 | littleboy | but ... /dev/sda4 wasn't created... |
| 23:26.53 | littleboy | anyone can help ? |
| 23:27.12 | littleboy | this "used to work before" ... i have 160 gb sata maxtor. |
| 23:27.15 | littleboy | using udev. |
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| 23:28.26 | malheur | Edwin: sorry i'm a bit rusted on that topic, so i need some time to get into it |
| 23:28.40 | davi | msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 23:28.59 | bzed | littleboy: did you reboot after that? (you wanna remove the swap entry from fstab) |
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| 23:29.18 | littleboy | bzed, i didn't reboot.. i thought that would work, but don't wanna do a reboot. |
| 23:29.52 | littleboy | i was/am using linux for 10 years now... and i never rebooted after doing this |
| 23:29.52 | bzed | littleboy: btw, linux doesn;t care about partition labels, you could have just reuse the existing partition. if the disk is in use, there's no other way than rebooting to make the kernel read the new partition table |
| 23:29.58 | littleboy | nor should i start now l;) |
| 23:30.00 | malheur | Edwin: you need to open that port |
| 23:30.38 | Edwin | malheur: but this port is in another machine |
| 23:30.49 | Edwin | in the other machine is open |
| 23:31.09 | littleboy | bzed, well... few years ago there wasn't need for reboot after doing this kind of thing .. i really "can't" reboot |
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| 23:31.18 | littleboy | i need to find a way without a reboot ... |
| 23:32.19 | FordCortina | hi i think i need mod_authnz_external to authenticate using system accounts with apache. I cant find a deb for this module (im on sarge) but i do have the sources. I dont seem to have "apxs" so does that mean I have to do away with my entire sarge apache install and use the apache sources. Is there an easier way? |
| 23:32.36 | malheur | Edwin: anyway you need to open it on the router for the destination adress |
| 23:32.51 | bzed | littleboy: there was. it never worked without rebooting, except in some rare cases, I think it worked with scsi disks |
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| 23:33.25 | littleboy | bzed, just a sec.. i found something on google. trying it now. |
| 23:33.27 | stew | FordCortina: apache or apache2 |
| 23:33.27 | bzed | littleboy: but as I said before, there was no need to repartition you disk |
| 23:33.34 | FordCortina | stew: apache2 |
| 23:33.36 | stew | FordCortina: install apache2-dev |
| 23:33.46 | strange_energy | i'm sorry the question but what is the command to see all the sounds cards and the drivers |
| 23:33.50 | bzed | littleboy: you could have changed the partitions type for the enxt reboot and just format it |
| 23:33.56 | malheur | Edwin: ... and destination port of course |
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| 23:34.10 | stew | FordCortina: err, actually its either apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev |
| 23:34.13 | littleboy | bzed, hey |
| 23:34.13 | FordCortina | stew: thanks |
| 23:34.16 | littleboy | bzed, i did it. |
| 23:34.25 | FordCortina | stew: oh! |
| 23:34.29 | littleboy | bzed, apt-get install parted, then, partprobe |
| 23:34.40 | littleboy | it made kernel re-read the partition table. cool. |
| 23:34.44 | Edwin | malheur: destination port is opne |
| 23:35.36 | FordCortina | stew: im installing plain "dev" |
| 23:35.36 | bzed | littleboy: weird, fdisk should be able to do the same, there's only one control for rereading aprtition tables |
| 23:35.36 | stew | FordCortina: apxs2 is in apache2-prefork-dev and apache2-threaded-dev |
| 23:35.36 | bzed | littleboy: interesting |
| 23:35.36 | Edwin | there is a postgres service there |
| 23:35.36 | FordCortina | stew: it seems to have chosen threadded |
| 23:35.47 | littleboy | bzed, yes .. that it what was bugging me ... that should be done automaticly. |
| 23:35.48 | FordCortina | right ill see if this works.... |
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| 23:35.58 | malheur | Edwin: do you have tcp-wrappers or something on the server? |
| 23:36.03 | bloodskin | LUNIX IS A FREE HACKER OS DEVELOPED BY AOL AND DISTRIBUTED BY MCDONALDS |
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| 23:36.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:36.52 | malheur | Edwin: check the /etc/hosts.* files! |
| 23:37.05 | bzed | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 23:37.17 | soothsay | Why doesn't apt-get install package --print-uris; print the uris of all dependencies? Is there a way to do this? |
| 23:37.25 | Edwin | malheur: what looking for? |
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| 23:38.08 | malheur | Edwin: an entry ALL:ALL in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 23:38.22 | FordCortina | the sources tell me to use apxs but I only have apxs2 |
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| 23:38.43 | FordCortina | ive tried apxs2, but it doesnt seem to compile |
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| 23:39.12 | stew | FordCortina: show us the errors, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:39.22 | cafuego | FordCortina: If you want to use system accounts, why not use auth_pam? |
| 23:39.28 | maddash | too much freedom.... big fucking mess... http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testaf1.png |
| 23:39.38 | Edwin | malheur: it is not there |
| 23:39.53 | stew | Edwin: you might ask #iptables |
| 23:40.22 | Edwin | stew? |
| 23:40.26 | FordCortina | i've tried auth_pam. I get the error "could not read password file" it seems that you have to give apache read access to shadow! (or something) |
| 23:40.35 | malheur | Edwin: can you paste /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny to #flood ? |
| 23:41.00 | Edwin | malheur: ok |
| 23:41.00 | cafuego | FordCortina: Kinda; you need to add the www-dat user to the shadow group. |
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| 23:41.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:41.24 | maddash | dondelelcaro: why would you do that? |
| 23:41.26 | Edwin | where is #flood |
| 23:41.27 | malheur | Edwin: the ones from the server of course |
| 23:41.34 | dondelelcaro | maddash: why would I do what? |
| 23:41.45 | maddash | 19:41:09 -- dondelelcaro unbans *!*@cpe-65-25-147-232.columbus.res.rr.com |
| 23:41.48 | malheur | Edwin: channel #flood on freenode |
| 23:42.00 | Edwin | malheur: the machine router or machine server? |
| 23:42.01 | cafuego | FordCortina: 'adduser www-data shadow; apache2ctl restart' - done :-) |
| 23:42.04 | malheur | Edwin: it's for pasting |
| 23:42.19 | stew | cafuego: woah, that looks dangerous |
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| 23:42.26 | cafuego | stew: Nah |
| 23:42.29 | dondelelcaro | maddash: because I decided to unban that user, since the outburst was singular |
| 23:42.41 | Nyle | singularity within debian! |
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| 23:42.46 | malheur | Edwin: you have access to the server? |
| 23:42.54 | Edwin | yes |
| 23:42.54 | Nyle | dun dun dun! |
| 23:42.57 | bzed | maddash: how did you create the graph? |
| 23:43.00 | Edwin | the server is in lan |
| 23:43.06 | stew | cafuego: doesn't that mean that once apache is compromised for whatever reason they can get all the password hashes? |
| 23:43.11 | malheur | Edwin: the files from the server |
| 23:43.13 | Nyle | finally got all my machines hooked up! 7 debian machines man |
| 23:43.18 | Nyle | now my room is really hot |
| 23:43.19 | Nyle | :/ |
| 23:43.29 | dvs | Nyle: Who are you? AOL? |
| 23:43.33 | Nyle | what? |
| 23:43.34 | FordCortina | here's my apxs2 error http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/99 |
| 23:43.36 | Nyle | lol |
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| 23:44.04 | stew | FordCortina: install build-essential |
| 23:44.17 | Nyle | well 2 laptops, 2 desktops, 3 servers, only 2 CRT monitors but they produce heat too, thankfully i have a very powerful fan in my window I can change it to suck air or blow air into the room |
| 23:44.24 | FordCortina | ah yes.. silly me |
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| 23:44.59 | dvs | Nyle: Just don't let Al Gore catch you. ;-) |
| 23:45.06 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:45.28 | cafuego | stew: In principle yes, but I'm not widly worried about apache being compromised (Then aagin, there are two password hashes in my shadow file and neither of those evaluate to dictionary words. |
| 23:46.09 | cafuego | stew: It depends a bit on whether those system users are allowed shell access. |
| 23:46.14 | stew | yes |
| 23:46.30 | cafuego | Both of mine are, but only via ssh and with a certificate. |
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| 23:46.41 | malheur | Edwin: still there? |
| 23:46.46 | Edwin | yes |
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| 23:47.19 | ragnaks | any tool to analize apache logs? |
| 23:47.22 | malheur | Edwin: pls paste the /etc/hosts.* files to #flood |
| 23:47.28 | cafuego | stew: The other 'system' accounts live in mysql and are all uid 10000 ;-) |
| 23:48.22 | malheur | Edwin: the ones from the server |
| 23:48.23 | Edwin | malheur: this the only in server |
| 23:48.25 | Edwin | http-rman : ALL EXCEPT LOCAL |
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| 23:48.41 | stew | cafuego: well, i certainly trust that you have your box sufficiently locked down, its the others and their php exploitware |
| 23:48.45 | malheur | Edwin: what? |
| 23:48.49 | cafuego | heh |
| 23:48.59 | Edwin | malheur: this files are empty |
| 23:49.09 | Edwin | in the server |
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| 23:49.12 | cafuego | Misplaced confidence, excellent! |
| 23:49.18 | malheur | Edwin: should be ok |
| 23:49.46 | malheur | Edwin: if in doubt you could add "ALL: ALL" to the hosts.allow file |
| 23:50.07 | malheur | Edwin: do you use iptables on the server? |
| 23:50.27 | malheur | iptables -L -n -v will help |
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| 23:50.49 | Edwin | malheur:no |
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| 23:50.55 | Edwin | in the server no |
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| 23:51.26 | malheur | Edwin: everything on ACCEPT, right? |
| 23:51.42 | malheur | Edwin: i mean INPUT and OUTPUT |
| 23:52.04 | ragnaks | any tool to analize apache logs? please |
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| 23:52.31 | Edwin | malheur:yes |
| 23:52.35 | malheur | Edwin: good |
| 23:52.55 | malheur | Edwin: the server should be fine |
| 23:53.12 | malheur | Edwin: let's go back to the router |
| 23:53.19 | Edwin | i get this from the server |
| 23:54.05 | Edwin | ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:postgresql state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED |
| 23:54.39 | malheur | Edwin: thats ok |
| 23:55.09 | *** join/#debian rhalff (n=rhalff@g177011.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 23:55.45 | malheur | Edwin: and the OUTPUT chain must at lest say "ACCEPT 0/0 0/0 tcp state RELATED,ESTABLISHED" |
| 23:55.59 | *** join/#debian Kae (n=kae@ip68-98-236-61.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:56.29 | malheur | s/lest/least/ |
| 23:56.53 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=maddash@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 23:56.56 | *** join/#debian aredhel (n=aredhel@pool-70-19-223-193.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:57.00 | bzed | maddash: how did you create the graph? |
| 23:57.02 | *** join/#debian root__ (n=root@74.128.160.154) |
| 23:57.25 | *** join/#debian \amethyst (n=neil@74-140-178-145.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 23:57.40 | malheur | Edwin: ? |
| 23:57.48 | Edwin | tellme malheur |
| 23:58.02 | Edwin | you seen the output |
| 23:58.11 | Edwin | from server |
| 23:58.20 | FordCortina | is there an automatic way of generating files to put /etc/apache2/mods-available/ or do you just do them yourself? |
| 23:58.24 | malheur | Edwin: that was the INPUT chain right? |
| 23:58.34 | Edwin | i check with iftop |
| 23:58.51 | haxality | hello, I have cpu frequency scaling enabled in my kernel but I can't seem to get it working. |
| 23:58.52 | FordCortina | this for a new module ive just compiled |
| 23:59.05 | haxality | I know it works on this processor since it worked with a previous linux installation |
| 23:59.11 | Edwin | malheur: no |
| 23:59.18 | Edwin | that was the router |
