| 00:00.46 | malheur | Edwin: can you paste "iptables -L -n -v" from the router to flood? |
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| 00:01.28 | malheur | Edwin: and "iptables -t nat -L -n -v" form the router too, pls |
| 00:02.02 | Edwin | ok |
| 00:02.17 | malheur | fine :) |
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| 00:03.08 | Edwin | go to the flood |
| 00:03.26 | malheur | Edwin: landed! |
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| 00:04.36 | Edwin | malheur: did u see? |
| 00:04.36 | malheur | Edwin: and the same with the filter table - pls |
| 00:04.47 | malheur | Edwin: oh, yes :) |
| 00:05.08 | malheur | Edwin: so "iptables -t filter -L -v -n" |
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| 00:05.36 | Edwin | hierro:~# iptables -t filter -L -n -v |
| 00:05.37 | Edwin | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 9375 packets, 2332K bytes) |
| 00:05.37 | Edwin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.37 | Edwin | Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes) |
| 00:05.37 | Edwin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.16 | Edwin | malheur |
| 00:06.20 | Edwin | are u there? |
| 00:06.30 | HostilePenguin | any ideas what this is SetGrabKeysState - disabled and enabled over and over and end of xorg.0.log |
| 00:06.43 | malheur | Edwin: oh yes |
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| 00:08.39 | malheur | Edwin: on the first view this looks ok |
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| 00:10.58 | dimm0k | after compiling programs from source is there a way to clean up the source except for the Makefile? |
| 00:11.38 | malheur | still the problems right? |
| 00:11.51 | Edwin | yes |
| 00:12.08 | Edwin | when i try to connect to that service I cant |
| 00:12.22 | Edwin | if I use nmap I get the port filtered |
| 00:13.10 | malheur | Edwin: made a traceroute to that port? |
| 00:13.48 | bokey | dimm0k, read the contents of Makefile |
| 00:13.52 | malheur | Edwin: traceroute -p 5432 10.0.1.5 |
| 00:14.24 | malheur | Edwin: from the outside |
| 00:14.44 | Edwin | but this ip is local |
| 00:15.12 | malheur | Edwin: sorry tcptraceroute |
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| 00:15.34 | malheur | Edwin: ah, yeah i mean to that ip of the router |
| 00:16.01 | malheur | do you have tcptraceroute? otherwise install it |
| 00:16.09 | Edwin | i did it |
| 00:16.14 | malheur | your nmap scan was from the outside right? |
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| 00:16.24 | Edwin | malheur yes |
| 00:16.43 | malheur | Edwin: then do the same with tcptraceroute |
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| 00:17.27 | malheur | Edwin: oh it has another syntax |
| 00:17.51 | malheur | it is "tcptraceroute [host] [port]" |
| 00:17.59 | Edwin | with local ip? |
| 00:18.28 | malheur | Edwin: from the outside to the router ip with postgres port |
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| 00:20.12 | malheur | Edwin: what does it tell you? |
| 00:21.11 | Edwin | in the last 9 * * * |
| 00:21.31 | malheur | Edwin: does it show up your router? |
| 00:21.47 | malheur | btw ^c |
| 00:21.57 | Edwin | yes! |
| 00:22.00 | Edwin | :P |
| 00:23.01 | Edwin | malheur?? |
| 00:23.10 | malheur | you're sure that you have no iptables on the server? |
| 00:23.20 | Edwin | yes! |
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| 00:24.17 | Edwin | go to fllod to see the server |
| 00:25.08 | malheur | Edwin: ok |
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| 00:26.00 | Muisje | night all |
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| 00:26.28 | Edwin | maybe. it cant be with linux |
| 00:26.29 | Edwin | ? |
| 00:26.46 | malheur | Edwin: :) |
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| 00:30.12 | malheur | Edwin: would you mind to paste the routers iptables (filter, nat) to pastebin? the linebreaks on #flood confuse me and it seems as if something is missing |
| 00:30.32 | Edwin | malheur ok |
| 00:31.53 | Edwin | malheur http://pastebin.ca/460327 |
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| 00:32.07 | malheur | Edwin: ok |
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| 00:33.55 | itchi | I have reinstalled a box, so now if i ssh to it i get; WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! If i delete the file /home/david/.ssh/known_hosts i know it solve it. But how can i avoid that? The know_hosts content looks weird |
| 00:34.30 | Justin | itchi: delete the line that it references |
| 00:35.25 | itchi | Justin: How so? I dunno which line i need to delete |
| 00:35.36 | Justin | itchi: the message tells you |
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| 00:36.20 | itchi | Justin: Just after that "The fingerprint for the RSA key sent by the remote host is" ? |
| 00:36.55 | malheur | Edwin: everything looks fine to me |
| 00:37.09 | Justin | itchi: pretty sure the line number is the only number in the entire message |
| 00:37.32 | malheur | Edwin: you're sure, that eth1 is your outer if? - ifconfig |
| 00:37.54 | Edwin | yes |
| 00:38.13 | malheur | Edwin: sorry dude |
| 00:38.15 | itchi | Justin: I tried a grep on 45:f3:45:.... in that .ssh/known_hosts file but he not find it. And if i look in that file, these stuff is in another character style |
| 00:38.53 | Justin | sigh |
| 00:38.57 | itchi | Justin: That looks a hashing style there |
| 00:39.00 | Justin | itchi: you see the part that says "Offending key" ? |
| 00:39.11 | Justin | itchi: followed by the known_hosts file |
| 00:39.15 | Justin | itchi: followed by a NUMBER ? |
| 00:39.26 | itchi | Justin: Is that safe if i pastebin it? |
| 00:39.41 | Justin | itchi: no, I already know what it says |
| 00:39.42 | malheur | Edwin: perhaps you can ask on #iptables |
| 00:39.43 | Justin | itchi: YOU need to read it |
| 00:39.58 | itchi | Justin: Yeah, i read it |
| 00:40.24 | Justin | itchi: do you or do you not see the part that says "Offending key"? |
| 00:40.31 | Edwin | this is a channel |
| 00:40.42 | malheur | Edwin: right |
| 00:41.05 | malheur | Edwin: you could show them your pastebin urls |
| 00:41.46 | itchi | Justin: i pastebin, i change a bit these numbers |
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| 00:41.58 | itchi | Justin: http://pastebin.ca/460385 |
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| 00:42.18 | itchi | Justin: Maybe i not have some option activated to tell me |
| 00:42.28 | Justin | itchi: is english your first language? |
| 00:42.30 | itchi | Justin: It's a bare install right now on the other side |
| 00:42.38 | bloodskin | !paster |
| 00:42.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:42.40 | itchi | Justin: No, my 3the |
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| 00:42.58 | itchi | Justin: You been see ^ heh |
| 00:43.02 | Justin | I'm not sure which part of "Offending key" you don't get |
| 00:43.06 | Justin | the line number is RIGHT THERE |
| 00:43.53 | itchi | Justin: Is that 54:d3... the new key? |
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| 00:44.07 | Justin | itchi: for fucks sake! |
| 00:44.08 | Justin | itchi: 2! |
| 00:44.20 | itchi | Justin: I not realy understand how that ssh proceed with it |
| 00:44.32 | Justin | itchi: you see the 2? the number 2? next to where it says offending key, the number 2? |
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| 00:45.21 | itchi | Justin: yes |
| 00:45.49 | Justin | 20:35 < itchi> Justin: How so? I dunno which line i need to delete |
| 00:45.52 | Justin | itchi: get it now? |
| 00:46.15 | itchi | Justin: Have you see the content of .ssh/known_hosts That looks not the same 'language' |
| 00:46.45 | Justin | itchi: who the hell cares what the content looks like? |
| 00:46.47 | itchi | Justin: Or need i to encode that with a ssh tool? |
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| 00:46.56 | r3c4ll | where is base-config in etch 4.0 |
| 00:47.13 | Edwin | there isnbt |
| 00:47.14 | gravity | Gone |
| 00:47.15 | r3c4ll | i need change a configuration of network |
| 00:47.17 | Justin | itchi: I really don't see what you are not understanding... |
| 00:47.18 | itchi | Dunno, that look md5sum alike stuff in it. And i gona paste there a line 54:d3:26:fe:e3:6c:eb:1b:c1:67:54:13:e4:05:7e:e5 ?? |
| 00:47.27 | Justin | itchi: NO NO NO NO NO |
| 00:47.39 | rpc | what's up folks |
| 00:47.45 | Justin | 20:34 < Justin> itchi: delete the line that it references |
| 00:47.47 | itchi | Justin: That part i not udnerstad, do you see |
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| 00:48.07 | Justin | itchi: do you know what 'delete the line' means? |
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| 00:48.53 | dabucker | hey numist |
| 00:48.57 | itchi | Justin: Wait, it's deleting, not adding heh |
| 00:49.04 | numist | heya? |
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| 00:49.25 | itchi | Justin: But should i not add that new one? |
| 00:49.29 | Justin | itchi: NO |
| 00:49.36 | itchi | Justin: I not care about that old, the new need to work heh |
| 00:49.51 | itchi | Justin: (I'm missing knowledges of ssh-server) |
| 00:49.51 | r3c4ll | somebody know where the hell is baseconf now in eth 4.0?? |
| 00:51.10 | r3c4ll | somebody know where the hell is baseconfig now in eth 4.0?? |
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| 00:51.11 | r3c4ll | somebody know where the hell is base-config now in eth 4.0?? :P excuse |
| 00:51.11 | rpc | r3c4ll how many more times will you paste that? |
| 00:51.11 | Epakai | !base-config |
| 00:51.11 | dpkg | base-config is probably something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
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| 00:51.14 | itchi | Justin: Oh, that new is added automatically but not removed |
| 00:51.31 | malheur | rssh drives me nuts -- need a helping hand |
| 00:51.49 | rpc | what's rssh? |
| 00:52.01 | malheur | it's a weired thing in the when chrooted |
| 00:52.02 | r3c4ll | rpc, the times what i need for get a answer :P |
| 00:52.10 | itchi | Justin: That message mislead |
| 00:52.14 | malheur | blb |
| 00:52.30 | rpc | r3c4ll next time you might get banned and you won't get any more answers ever |
| 00:52.42 | rpc | !rssh |
| 00:52.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rssh is a restricted shell for use with OpenSSH, allowing only scp and/or sftp, at <www.pizzashack.org/rssh/index.shtml>. |
| 00:52.45 | malheur | rpc: a restricted shell |
| 00:52.54 | rpc | malheur he he too late ;) |
| 00:52.57 | itchi | Justin: So bla:2 mean line 2. wtf |
| 00:53.08 | r3c4ll | rcp EL CONO DE TU MADRE |
| 00:53.12 | malheur | !dpkg goodies for you |
| 00:53.23 | rpc | r3c4ll if i translate that and it's something bad i will report you |
| 00:53.38 | malheur | !goodies for you |
| 00:53.50 | Madsy | rpc: It is. |
| 00:54.08 | r3c4ll | rcp :O |
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| 00:54.21 | malheur | !damn |
| 00:54.21 | dpkg | from memory, damn is goes to beaver mode #1. Dam building time |
| 00:54.24 | rpc | !ops r3c4ll personal insults and alot of repeating |
| 00:54.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rpc complains about: r3c4ll personal insults and alot of repeating |
| 00:54.46 | LoRez | r3c4ll: knock it off |
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| 00:59.53 | rpc | is it true that mounting an ext3 fs with loop is dangerous? |
| 01:00.27 | rpc | i heard it had to do with journaling but i didn't get what exactly was wrong |
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| 01:06.23 | semprix | there are 21 cds on the download section do i need all of them? |
| 01:06.33 | Wyzard | rpc: If so, it'd probably be related to the loop driver's write-caching |
| 01:06.48 | Wyzard | rpc: making the ext3 driver think journal data has been written to disk when it actually hasn't yet |
| 01:06.59 | Wyzard | semprix: Only if you're installing on a machine with no Internet connection |
| 01:07.31 | Wyzard | semprix: If the machine is online you can just get the netinst CD and it'll download other packages as-needed |
| 01:07.46 | semprix | cool thanks |
| 01:07.55 | Wyzard | semprix: Those 21 CDs contain the full set of packages in Debian, the vast majority of which you'll never actually install |
| 01:08.29 | semprix | Wyzard, cd1 should contain minimal install? |
| 01:08.37 | malheur | "chroot cmd line: /usr/lib/rssh/rssh_chroot_helper 2 |
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| 01:08.55 | Wyzard | cd1 is enough for a basic installation with no Internet connection -- it contains a set of common packages |
| 01:09.01 | malheur | rrr |
| 01:09.06 | semprix | cool thanks Wyzard |
| 01:09.12 | rpc | Wyzard oh hm. |
| 01:09.17 | Wyzard | and it can save you some download time even if you do have an Internet connection, though it's not really much of a difference |
| 01:09.35 | rpc | Wyzard but i have an idea.. |
| 01:09.40 | malheur | rssh_chroot_helper complains about missing sftp-server wich is in place |
| 01:09.54 | malheur | plus all the libs |
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| 01:10.12 | rpc | Wyzard how about writeback mode for ext3 then? |
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| 01:10.23 | malheur | it says execv() feils |
| 01:10.28 | malheur | it says execv() fails |
| 01:10.48 | itchi | Putting a new hdd in a box speed him up heh. The box is much faster now |
| 01:10.56 | Wyzard | rpc: That wouldn't be any better |
| 01:11.11 | mikes1 | itchi: sata? |
| 01:11.15 | rpc | Wyzard isn't that thing going to disable journaling? |
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| 01:11.27 | itchi | mikes1: No no, still 'old' stuff :-) |
| 01:11.38 | Wyzard | rpc: No, data=writeback doesn't disable journaling -- if you want to disable journaling, just mount it as ext2 instead of ext3 |
| 01:12.01 | itchi | mikes1: But this one have 8Mb cache and that 5 year old that have die had 2 |
| 01:12.13 | rpc | Wyzard btw many kudos for your help with recovery console the last time.. i'm going to repeat my thankyous every week ;) |
| 01:12.28 | mikes1 | itchi: ok should notice a difference |
| 01:12.29 | itchi | mikes1: But it made some noise too, compared to this new one now. |
| 01:12.49 | itchi | mikes1: Yeah, 5 years old, that was good, i'm a killer :-) |
| 01:12.53 | rpc | Wyzard hm so it's possible to mount ext3 with ext2 driver? 100% safe? |
| 01:13.05 | Wyzard | rpc: yes, ext3 is just ext2 with a journal |
| 01:13.12 | itchi | Usually i'm arround 3 years each hdd heh |
| 01:13.20 | mikes1 | itchi: fsb on mainboard is also very important if speed a goal |
| 01:13.30 | Wyzard | rpc: With the ext2 driver, the ext3 journal shows up as an ordinary file (I think it's /.journal or something) and is ignored |
| 01:13.35 | mikes1 | 1000mhz is good |
| 01:13.48 | Wyzard | rpc: Assuming the journal is clean (i.e. the filesystem was unmounted cleanly by the ext3 driver), it's safe to mount as ext2 |
| 01:13.49 | itchi | mikes1: Bah, i just replaced a dead hdd, cause it is my main comp |
| 01:13.56 | rpc | Wyzard but can i just mount it again with ext3 after or is it broken for good? |
| 01:14.09 | bzed | rpc: be careful! |
| 01:14.12 | itchi | mikes1: Hopeful soon i buy a new one :-) |
| 01:14.17 | rpc | bzed hm |
| 01:14.18 | bzed | rpc: did you use some mount options on ext3? |
| 01:14.19 | Wyzard | rpc: Yep, if it's cleanly unmounted by the ext2 driver, you can mount it as ext3 |
| 01:14.24 | bzed | Wyzard: not always |
| 01:14.29 | rpc | bzed not yet |
| 01:14.32 | Wyzard | rpc: (if it wasn't cleanly unmounted by ext2, fsck it first) |
| 01:14.32 | mikes1 | itchi: ok I build mine how I like it |
| 01:14.35 | bzed | Wyzard: ext3 started to become incompatible to ext2 |
| 01:14.41 | Wyzard | bzed: oh? |
| 01:14.43 | rpc | oh hm. |
| 01:14.44 | itchi | mikes1: hehe :-) |
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| 01:15.23 | rpc | well i'm actually working on some encrypted setup and i just wonder if i should prepare a fresh ext2 fs for that or try to mount existing ext3 with ext2 |
| 01:15.48 | Wyzard | rpc: If you're doing encryption, dm-crypt is preferable over loop |
| 01:15.59 | rpc | oh |
| 01:16.13 | malheur | !crypt |
| 01:16.22 | rpc | then i need some more reading done he he |
| 01:16.39 | bzed | Wyzard, rpc: bleh, I can't figure out where the exact differences where |
| 01:16.39 | Wyzard | rpc: apt-cache show cryptsetup |
| 01:16.58 | Wyzard | rpc: You'll most likely want to use LUKS (i.e. "cryptsetup luksCreate" and "cryptsetup luksOpen") |
| 01:17.09 | rpc | bzed well if there is even 1% of risk... |
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| 01:17.18 | Wyzard | rpc: You can even have your root filesystem on a LUKS encrypted volume |
| 01:17.26 | rpc | oh really? |
| 01:17.52 | rpc | that means even more reading he he |
| 01:18.00 | Wyzard | in fact the installer even supports creating such setups |
| 01:18.33 | rpc | i was going to start with a simple setup but sounds like i will end up with some leet crap :) |
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| 01:18.48 | Wyzard | Is reinstalling Debian an option for you? |
| 01:18.54 | rpc | very nice about your r5 |
| 01:19.03 | Wyzard | It's possible to migrate an existing system to encrypted root, but it's much simpler to just do it during installation |
| 01:19.05 | rpc | it is but not right away |
| 01:19.19 | Wyzard | Just choose a partition and "use as: physical volume for encryption" |
| 01:19.21 | rpc | but i would surely give it a try in the future, the complete reinstall that is |
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| 01:19.32 | rpc | hm |
| 01:20.02 | anandanbu | hi im having problem with configuring the internet in debian etch |
| 01:20.07 | Wyzard | What I did was make a raid5 array, use that for encryption, then choose the plaintext device and use that as a physical volume for LVM, and then create logical volumes to install the system into |
| 01:20.07 | rpc | it looks like i'm learning some goodies from you again, love it :) |
| 01:20.39 | rpc | sounds neat but i need another minute to understand the concept :) |
| 01:21.04 | bzed | aargh. there was one uncommen reason when you where not able to move an ext3 back to ext2 - but I can't find it |
| 01:21.23 | bzed | the major break will be with ext4, as soon as you have extends enabled there's no way back |
| 01:21.29 | Wyzard | bzed: Maybe use of some new feature flag like dir_index or something? |
| 01:21.47 | Wyzard | bzed: yeah, I was hoping 2.6.21 would have ext4 finalized but it looks like I'll need to wait longer |
| 01:22.19 | Wyzard | bzed: on the plus side, there's apparently work underway to support online defragmentation of ext4 |
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| 01:22.47 | phogg | is ext4 really that close? I thought it would be at least another 6 months |
| 01:23.01 | rpc | Wyzard i wonder about the level of data security on such partition... is this method really reliable assuming that my phrase is long and nice? |
| 01:23.03 | Wyzard | dunno, all I know is that it's not yet ready as of 2.6.21 |
| 01:23.06 | vinicius | can someone help me configuring a apache1 server to run perl CGI scripts? the docs aren't helping me... |
| 01:23.43 | Wyzard | rpc: Well, the installer will warn you that it hasn't been audited for security, but it seems reasonably safe |
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| 01:24.01 | bzed | Wyzard: yeah, dir_index could be the thing. but really, I don;t know it anymore, and I didn't fid the right page to read it up again :\ |
| 01:24.17 | bzed | Wyzard: well.. ext4dev is allready in the kernel.. but I wouldn;t use it yet for more than testing |
| 01:24.22 | rpc | aren't there any backdoors then? :) |
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| 01:24.42 | Wyzard | rpc: Feel free to examine the code yourself :-) |
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| 01:25.09 | rpc | he he |
| 01:25.16 | Wyzard | rpc: btw, if you use cryptsetup, choose "aes-cbc-essiv:sha256" as your cipher |
| 01:25.33 | Wyzard | rpc: I believe the default is "aes-cbc-plain" but ESSIV is preferable |
| 01:25.35 | rpc | oh that's precious info, thank you again |
| 01:25.48 | rpc | do the essiv thing, whatever that means he he |
| 01:26.02 | Wyzard | Do you know what CBC mode is? |
| 01:26.05 | anandanbu | how do i configure the pppoe in etch |
| 01:26.10 | rpc | honestly i don't |
| 01:26.28 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:26.37 | rpc | but i will do some heavy reading |
| 01:26.46 | Wyzard | Having some background in crypto is a good idea when setting up something using crypto :-) |
| 01:26.58 | rpc | well i need a motivation first :) |
| 01:27.07 | Wyzard | Cipher Block Chaining means that each block of plaintext is XORed with the previous *encrypted* block before being encrypted itself |
| 01:27.17 | rpc | if i see it running like a crazy cow i will do alot of reading to make it even better :) |
| 01:27.26 | rpc | oh that's nasty lol |
| 01:27.27 | Wyzard | so if two plaintext blocks contain the same data, they won't end up with the same ciphertext |
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| 01:27.38 | Wyzard | makes it harder for an attacker to recognize repeating patterns in the encrypted data |
| 01:27.56 | bzed | sounds like a cpu eater |
| 01:27.57 | rpc | that's really interesting |
| 01:28.03 | Wyzard | but since each block depends on the previous block, you need something to be "previous" for the first block |
| 01:28.13 | Wyzard | bzed: Compared to the crypto itself, XOR is pretty lightweight |
| 01:28.21 | rpc | well speaking of cpu suckage.. i was going to ask about that |
| 01:28.33 | Wyzard | rpc: Also, since each block depends on the previous block, changing a single block requires re-encrypting everything that follows it |
| 01:28.42 | rpc | and yes, i do like the whole cbc concept |
| 01:28.48 | bzed | that's what I meant |
| 01:29.07 | bzed | changing the first block will end in changing all blocks |
| 01:29.16 | bzed | or do I miss something here? |
| 01:29.26 | Wyzard | rpc: Since you don't want to have to re-encrypt half your disk every time you change something in the middle, disk encryption uses a compromise: each disk sector (512 bytes, which is several blocks for the encryption cipher) is encrypted independently |
| 01:29.41 | rpc | Wyzard oh hmm |
| 01:29.53 | Wyzard | That way, changing anything in a single disk sector requires re-encrypting that whole sector, but that pretty much needs to be done anyway, and it's not a big task |
| 01:30.26 | rpc | that was my next question... many kudos for clearing this up :) |
| 01:30.27 | Wyzard | so for each sector you need an "initialization vector", which is that lead-in data used for encrypting the first block of plaintext |
| 01:30.50 | Wyzard | "aes-cbc-plain" is CBC mode where the IV for each sector is just that sector's number |
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| 01:30.56 | Wyzard | zero for the first sector, etc. |
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| 01:31.10 | rpc | hmm |
| 01:31.26 | Wyzard | "aes-cbc-essiv:sha256" uses an alternate algorithm for obtaining the sector's IV -- judging by the name, I think it just takes the SHA256 hash of the sector number |
| 01:32.03 | bzed | would make sense |
| 01:32.09 | Wyzard | IVs aren't secret, so using something simple like the sector number isn't really a big deal, but as I understand it, there's some sort of obscure attack that's a little easier if they're regular numbers like that |
| 01:32.27 | rpc | but doesn't it lower the drive performance? alot of crap to do with data |
| 01:32.39 | Wyzard | rpc: btw, if you want some reading material, try "Applied Cryptography" by Bruce Schneier |
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| 01:32.49 | Wyzard | yeah, crypto can reduce performance |
| 01:32.56 | Wyzard | That's the usual tradeoff between security and convenience |
| 01:33.01 | rpc | right |
| 01:33.18 | rpc | and thanks for the book - must be fun to go tru that :) |
| 01:33.20 | Wyzard | In my experience, unless you have a slow processor, it doesn't really make much of a difference unless you're doing heavy I/O, like copying large files around |
| 01:33.40 | rpc | well the drive will be utilized quite heavily |
| 01:33.49 | bzed | that's why you want to be sure you've crypted your stuff right... having a bad performance for years and then loosing data to *somebody* because your encryptio was bad... is dumb ;) |
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| 01:34.02 | rpc | bzed rofl |
| 01:34.52 | Wyzard | rpc: If performance is important then you should do performance benchmarks -- unencrypted, encrypted with cbc-plain, and encrypted with cbc-essiv:sha256 |
| 01:35.14 | rpc | oh yes that's another thing that i will write down - some performance tests |
| 01:35.33 | x3n0 | I'm having trouble building the fglrx kernel_module ... :s (Any ideas people?) |
| 01:35.35 | rpc | so i at least know what i'm losing with crypt |
| 01:35.50 | Wyzard | Ideally you should use the same disk partition for each, because different areas of a hard drive have different performance characteristics, so you wouldn't want one of the options to look slower just because it was on a slower part of the disk |
| 01:36.09 | rpc | hmm right |
| 01:36.38 | rpc | and do you think that building a raid would help much with performance in case on crypt? |
| 01:36.46 | rpc | of* |
| 01:36.48 | Wyzard | btw, if disk performance is important and CPU performance isn't, you might want to consider getting a VIA C7-based system -- those have built-in hardware crypto that can help with performance |
| 01:37.05 | Wyzard | RAID has its own performance issues, completely aside from encryption |
| 01:37.15 | rpc | sounds great |
| 01:37.21 | Wyzard | There are tradeoffs between performance and available disk capacity |
| 01:37.34 | Wyzard | RAID-5 is actually not all that fast for *writing* |
| 01:37.56 | concept10 | Linux kernel internals book a good but for $5.00 new or should I just get the 12-pack? |
| 01:38.10 | rpc | well my sata drives act pretty strange at the moment and i wonder if raid would help or perhaps made it worse |
| 01:38.13 | concept10 | s/but/buy |
| 01:38.24 | Wyzard | again, benchmark |
| 01:38.34 | Wyzard | or find benchmarks online |
| 01:38.39 | rpc | Wyzard you know what i tried today? |
| 01:38.44 | Wyzard | I'm not an expert on RAID performance characteristics |
| 01:39.31 | Wyzard | I went with RAID-5 because I'm more concerned with available disk space than overall performance, and it's fast enough |
| 01:39.31 | rpc | Wyzard i was moving 40GB of data from sda (ext3) to sdb (reiser) and i noticed that iostat went crazy on sda (350+) while reiser was like 100-120 max. why is that? |
| 01:39.31 | Wyzard | On a server where I can afford lots of redundant disk space and I need high performance, I'd probably make a different choice |
| 01:39.40 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno |
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| 01:39.51 | x3n0 | Has anyone else come across problems building fglrx? I'm having trouble building the fglrx kernel_module ... :s (Any ideas people?) Can someone please help...? |
| 01:39.52 | rpc | can ext3 cause such pain itself? |
| 01:40.03 | rpc | like it exhausts the drive so hard? |
| 01:40.14 | Wyzard | not that I know of |
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| 01:40.47 | Wyzard | I'm actually in the process of moving stuff from JFS to ext3 |
| 01:40.48 | rpc | data were moving at around 50MB/s and reiser was really performing much better |
| 01:41.04 | rpc | well i heard bad things about jfs.. |
| 01:41.22 | rpc | also about xfs he he |
| 01:41.31 | rpc | and yet about reiser |
| 01:41.44 | Wyzard | I haven't heard particularly bad things about JFS, but I got worried about it when its resize feature ended up confusing the driver and forcing me to umount /home to get it back into a sane state |
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| 01:41.57 | rpc | uh hmm |
| 01:41.57 | Wyzard | XFS is definitely risky unless you have a good UPS and your machine never crashes |
| 01:42.14 | x3n0_ | Has anyone else come across problems building fglrx? I'm having trouble building the fglrx kernel_module ... :s (Any ideas people?) Can someone please help...? |
| 01:42.22 | rpc | i was also told that xfs is horribly slow on file deletion |
| 01:42.33 | rpc | takes forever to remove many small files |
| 01:42.44 | BUMBACL0T | how do you add a ftp user without ssh access? |
| 01:43.01 | BUMBACL0T | i read chown man pages and still don't get it |
| 01:43.01 | rpc | BUMBACL0T change /bin/bash to /bin/false |
| 01:43.01 | BUMBACL0T | :/ |
| 01:43.27 | rpc | in passwd that is |
| 01:43.45 | BUMBACL0T | i don't get it, it's been about 2 hours |
| 01:43.51 | rpc | Wyzard he he |
| 01:44.02 | rpc | BUMBACL0T which part of what i just said you didn't get? |
| 01:44.03 | n3kl_ | Anyone know what I need to install to get the metabar in konqueror? |
| 01:44.05 | BUMBACL0T | can you explain it step by step |
| 01:44.11 | hound | Does anyone know how I can mount an encrypted partition that was created through etch's setup? |
| 01:44.11 | rpc | BUMBACL0T i think i just did |
| 01:44.18 | hound | err, through a livecd |
| 01:44.27 | hound | I've tried the etch setup cd, a ubuntu live cd from a few months ago, debian live... none of them have cryptsetup or lvm tools. I'm trying to resize my root partition |
| 01:44.28 | Wyzard | If the ext3 blocksize is 4096 and /proc/mdstat says "64k chunks" for the RAID-5, "stride=16" is correct, right? |
| 01:44.41 | rpc | BUMBACL0T open up the passwd file and you will see what i mean |
| 01:44.50 | BUMBACL0T | rpc, the one where you: groupadd blah:blah, adduser ftp:user, etc; and where do you put /bin/false ? |
| 01:45.00 | Wyzard | hound: On the Ubuntu liveCD, you have to enable the universe repository, then you can install cryptsetup and lvm2 |
| 01:45.00 | BUMBACL0T | rpc, /etc/passwd? |
| 01:45.09 | rpc | Wyzard technically speaking... makes sens |
| 01:45.11 | rpc | e* |
| 01:45.12 | Wyzard | hound: In feisty you also need to manually modprobe dm-crypt |
| 01:45.28 | hound | Wyzard, you can do all this on the livecd?? |
| 01:45.30 | Wyzard | hound: I did this just a few days ago to mount and work with a Debian system that uses encrypted root |
| 01:45.34 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:45.51 | Wyzard | You can install packages on the livecd -- the files actually get stored in RAM |
| 01:46.41 | hound | Wyzard, !! thanks, just did that. never even occurred to me. that's a great solution |
| 01:47.04 | r3c4ll | somebody has install ossim? |
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| 01:47.29 | hound | used the debian live cd only because it was already booted, but worked along the same principles. |
| 01:47.39 | hound | Wyzard, I don't know how lvm stores it's data, is it going to know the names of my volumes do you think? |
| 01:48.00 | Wyzard | hound: You're using LVM on top of the crypto, I take it? |
| 01:48.26 | Wyzard | hound: After you've opened up the crypt volume, do "pvscan" and "vgchange -ay" |
| 01:48.48 | hound | Wyzard, yep and thanks |
| 01:48.59 | Wyzard | hound: Etch's and Feisty's LVM is already configured to recognize other device-mapper volumes (such as dm-crypt devices) as PVs |
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| 01:50.01 | hound | shoot I was incorrect in what I said. I'm using crypto on top of LVM (pretty sure) |
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| 01:50.32 | zoidy | what software can I install on a debian server to use it as a proxy server? |
| 01:50.33 | hound | err i'll just reverse what you said. be back in a bit |
| 01:50.34 | rpc | does LVM work in a similar way to raid? |
| 01:50.44 | rpc | is it a raid alternative that is? |
| 01:50.47 | maddash | zoidy: openssh-server |
| 01:50.47 | Wyzard | In that case just do pvscan/vgchange and then run cryptsetup on the LVM volume once it's recognized |
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| 01:51.16 | maddash | zoidy: privoxy |
| 01:51.25 | Wyzard | rpc: sort of... LVM can do striping like RAID-0, but it doesn't provide any redundancy like other RAID modes can |
| 01:51.38 | maddash | zoidy: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=debian+proxy+server&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 01:51.48 | zoidy | maddash: thanks, will look into all of those |
| 01:51.56 | rpc | Wyzard so what i gain is a virtual drive constisting of a few physical drives? |
| 01:52.46 | rpc | wondering what's more reliable - raid0 or lvm then |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | It can span physical disks, yeah, but without redundancy so you're at greater risk of data loss if one of your drives crashes, just like with RAID-0 -- that's why I use RAID-5 |
| 01:52.54 | maddash | Wyzard: raid0 isn't reliable at all |
| 01:52.54 | Wyzard | LVM is not for reliability |
| 01:53.00 | maddash | rpc ^^ |
| 01:53.06 | Wyzard | It's for flexibility -- it's an alternative to partitioning |
| 01:53.18 | Wyzard | that lets you create, remove, resize, and rearrange partitions while the system is running |
| 01:53.20 | rpc | hm |
| 01:53.28 | maddash | rpc: RAID0's advantage is the potential for higher access speeds |
| 01:53.38 | rpc | what i really wanted was striping i believe |
| 01:53.39 | smacnay | Anyone use the gift package and have it not connect to servers? |
| 01:54.06 | Wyzard | If you want striping I'd recommend LVM because it also gives you the partitioning flexibility |
| 01:54.18 | rpc | but lvm isn't reliable i hear :) |
| 01:54.26 | Wyzard | but you should be aware of the risks of striping, both with LVM and with RAID-0 |
| 01:54.28 | hound | It can't find a certain device, I think i'll have to reboot into the system to figure out what it's doing. I should only have two physical volumes (which it finds). |
| 01:54.40 | Wyzard | LVM isn't *unreliable* |
| 01:54.47 | kramed | how do you resize a lvm ? |
| 01:55.00 | kramed | boot cd? |
| 01:55.04 | rpc | Wyzard hm yes.. striping will kill my data completely if one of those drives fail... |
| 01:55.04 | Wyzard | Protecting against disk failure is just not something it's intended to do |
| 01:55.09 | maddash | rpc: LVM has nothing to do with reliability, just flexibilitiy |
| 01:55.18 | maddash | s/flexibilitiy/flexibility |
| 01:55.19 | Wyzard | kramed: lvextend, lvreduce |
| 01:55.27 | rpc | maddash i read you and i think i will quit the lvm plan |
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| 01:55.37 | Wyzard | rpc: right -- and that's true regardless of whether you use RAID-0 or LVM |
| 01:55.39 | rpc | i will quit raid plan as well :) |
| 01:55.39 | maddash | rpc: erm, LVM in and of itself, I meant |
| 01:55.45 | hound | of course it depends on your file system how you can resize too. |
| 01:56.04 | Wyzard | rpc: That's why on my system I use RAID-5 with three drives for reliability, and on top of that, LVM for flexibility |
| 01:56.30 | rpc | hm sounds really good, just lvm on top of that, and not as the basic thing |
| 01:56.34 | maddash | Wyzard: is that software or hardware RAID? what're your access speeds? |
| 01:56.45 | Wyzard | rpc: On my laptop, which only has one hard drive, I just use LVM; that's no more of a risk than using ordinary partitions on that single drive |
| 01:56.56 | rpc | and i want r5 too.. until that happens i will stay with 2xsata setup.. |
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| 01:57.21 | rpc | Wyzard hm lvm instead of partitioning? |
| 01:57.38 | kramed | lvms have to be unmounted to resize? |
| 01:57.48 | Wyzard | maddash: software... hdparm tells me it reads 125.87MB/sec from /dev/md0, but it's writing where RAID-5 takes its performance hit, not reading |
| 01:58.21 | Wyzard | rpc: Well, I have a /boot partition since that needs to be a plain partition, and a swap partition because I use a different encryption scheme for that |
| 01:58.46 | Wyzard | rpc: and then a single big partition which contains the LVM volumes |
| 01:58.47 | maddash | you know what would be the perfect server? Xen+LVM+RAID5+LUKS. |
| 01:58.49 | BUMBACL0T | rpc, why is it saying this: 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot locate user specified in 'ftp_username':ftp |
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| 01:59.06 | Wyzard | rpc: That's on my laptop with just one hard drive |
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| 02:00.05 | Wyzard | rpc: On my desktop with three identical drives, I have first a 50MB /boot partition on one of the drives (and empty space on the other two), a trio of 1GB partitions which form a RAID-0 stripe set for my swap, and the rest of the space is a trio of big partitions which are my RAID-5 array for all my data |
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| 02:00.41 | Wyzard | rpc: but in both cases there's a big block device (either plain partition or RAID array) which is divided up into multiple filesystems with LVM |
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| 02:01.23 | rpc | hm. |
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| 02:01.45 | Wyzard | maddash: I thought about using whole-disk crypto on my Xen router/firewall/fileserver, but decided it wasn't worth it, and it's headless so it'd suck to have to type a passphrase if it gets rebooted |
| 02:02.06 | maddash | Wyzard: er, use a keyfile |
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| 02:02.26 | Wyzard | rpc: and in both cases that big block device (partition or RAID) is encrypted |
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| 02:02.47 | Wyzard | maddash: For whole-disk encryption the initrd would have to read the keyfile, and I don't think it supports that |
| 02:03.08 | zoidy | maddash: thanks again, privoxy is exactly what I was looking for |
| 02:03.42 | maddash | zoidy: great. |
| 02:04.12 | hound | i put my keyfile inside the initrd because I was sick of typing in a password. |
| 02:04.17 | maddash | Wyzard: there are docs out there documenting procedures to do just that. even crypttab has a field that denotes the keyfile location. |
| 02:04.18 | hound | i'd actually undo the encryption, but don't see an easy way to do it. |
| 02:04.32 | Wyzard | hound: That completely defeats the purpose of using encryption, you know |
| 02:05.03 | Wyzard | hound: You want the keyfile on a removable device -- otherwise someone who steals your hard drive has stolen the key too |
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| 02:05.50 | Wyzard | What'd be really nice is if the key could be stored in a TPM chip |
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| 02:06.07 | hound | oi, crypttab keyfile doesn't work at all like you'd want it to. my understanding is it only passes it as an argument to a script if it exists, and at the time its run nothing is around to read from unless you mount it yourself |
| 02:06.12 | hound | Wyzard, oh I understand. totally useless. I don't want to copy everything off, format, copy it all back. it's a bad comprise just circumventing it |
| 02:06.15 | Wyzard | so you wouldn't need to type a passphrase, but the drive could only be unlocked when booting the system "normally" |
| 02:06.16 | hound | I think they are working on that |
| 02:06.20 | hound | I saw on the luks site they were integrating TPM stuff |
| 02:06.23 | Wyzard | cool |
| 02:07.00 | maddash | hound: where'd you see the "TPM stuff"? |
| 02:07.12 | hound | there's also so tpm stuff being made by the IBM crypt guys I think. I have a TPM, could barely get it to use my mozilla passwords. gave up trying to do anything more complicated |
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| 02:07.53 | Wyzard | Unfortunately my desktop doesn't have a TPM, though my laptop does |
| 02:08.41 | stoned | tpm> |
| 02:08.42 | stoned | ? |
| 02:08.49 | stoned | !tpm |
| 02:08.52 | stoned | hmm nothing |
| 02:08.53 | maddash | stoned: Trusted platform module |
| 02:08.59 | stoned | oh what is that |
| 02:09.04 | maddash | stoned: includes a h/w rng, which is cool |
| 02:09.34 | hound | maddash, I'm looking through my history one sec |
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| 02:09.47 | stoned | i see |
| 02:10.09 | Wyzard | maddash: Incidentally, VIA C7 processors have a hardware RNG too |
| 02:10.10 | x3n0_ | Has anyone else come across problems building fglrx? I'm having trouble building the fglrx kernel_module ... :s (Any ideas people?) Can someone please help...? |
| 02:10.22 | Wyzard | maddash: as well as hardware AES |
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| 02:10.28 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:10.30 | maddash | Wyzard: yeah, but would you want to lug a via c7 to class? |
| 02:10.40 | karsten | Azar: What about the rest of us? |
| 02:10.43 | Wyzard | maddash: Well, you can get C7-based laptops |
| 02:10.52 | maddash | Azar: guerin isn't honorable. heheh. |
| 02:10.52 | Azar | karsten: you and the rest included |
| 02:11.13 | Azar | maddash: why not, a grumpy honorable, but honorable |
| 02:11.35 | stoned | Mister Azar of the #debian |
| 02:11.42 | stoned | hola! |
| 02:11.43 | Azar | judges, jury and executives |
| 02:11.54 | Azar | stoned, what state are you in now? |
| 02:11.56 | maddash | Wyzard: I wouldn't want to use a c7-based laptop. besides, it doesn't have a tpm, so it can't secure my electronic keys. |
| 02:12.05 | stoned | Neuva York |
| 02:12.07 | Azar | "state of depravation" |
| 02:12.17 | stoned | "State of Assholes" |
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| 02:13.09 | cmatheson | can i use dd to just copy the boot sector of one drive to another? |
| 02:13.27 | Wyzard | cmatheson: no, that's not a good idea |
| 02:13.27 | cmatheson | (these are actually disk images, but i think it's the same thing?) |
| 02:13.36 | maddash | cmatheson: why would you want that? |
| 02:13.38 | Wyzard | cmatheson: The boot sector contains the partition table |
| 02:13.57 | Azar | stonned, listen to this: Dell is now to offer flash-based laptops |
| 02:14.02 | Azar | superfast man |
| 02:14.03 | hound | maddash, I may have been thinking of encryptfs (http://ecryptfs.sourceforge.net/). I don't see what I thought I saw about luks. |
| 02:14.17 | cmatheson | Wyzard: ooh. well i'm trying to run grub-install on a disk-image i have, but it complains that it's not a bios drive (i'm doing this from w/in qemu). do you know why that is? |
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| 02:14.50 | maddash | hound: mm. but eCryptfs is in an entirely different class from LUKS |
| 02:14.56 | shogunx | Azar I have a flash based laptop. it really is super fast. |
| 02:15.06 | maddash | shogunx: yeah right. |
| 02:15.06 | jrsims | shogunx: you jest |
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| 02:15.22 | Wyzard | cmatheson: /boot/grub/device.map specifies the mapping between BIOS drives and Linux block devices |
| 02:15.26 | Azar | shogunx: I bet, and I guess cooler too |
| 02:15.44 | Wyzard | cmatheson: If that file doesn't exist, create it with a line like "(hd0) /dev/hda" |
| 02:16.25 | cmatheson | Wyzard: great, thanks |
| 02:16.26 | shogunx | i do not jest. i took a msi s271, yanked the 80 gig fujitsu, the rt2500 wireless card, and the 512 megs of ram, and put in 2 gigs of ram, a 400mW atheros, and an 8 gig 2.5" ide flash drive. |
| 02:16.42 | hound | I still can't get my livecd to activate the volume group. vgchange -ay volumename ? I'm expecting to see it appear in /dev/mapper ... maybe htat's my mistake |
| 02:17.11 | shogunx | Azar and very low power consumption. |
| 02:17.20 | maddash | shogunx: how much did the flash drive cost? |
| 02:17.30 | smacnay | hmm, I am getting APIC errors on CPU0 - this is new |
| 02:17.39 | semprix | 52% to go for Debian(Etch) |
| 02:17.47 | shogunx | maddash, the first one was $420, but i have gotten them for $300 since. |
| 02:18.14 | karsten | smacnay: How old is your system, what specific errors, and is APCI enabled or disabled in kernel (generally check /proc/cmdline or your grub/lilo boot prefs. |
| 02:18.22 | karsten | ) |
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| 02:19.00 | Azar | teeheee!!! http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/04/all_roads_lead_to_debian.html < lets smoke a bit more mr Suttleworth |
| 02:19.20 | smacnay | karsten: I think, being a .deb kernel, apci is most likely enabled. The system is not that old - 4 years? I will all apci=off to the grub line. |
| 02:19.22 | Azar | who said that we are kinda taking all cool new stuff from them |
| 02:19.31 | maddash | now, if only the life expectancy of flash drives were to increase... |
| 02:19.46 | smacnay | karsten: or is it "noacpi" |
| 02:20.01 | maddash | smacnay: it's ACPI, no apci |
| 02:20.38 | smacnay | karsten: "noapci" - got it |
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| 02:21.01 | Azar | love it: ..(etch's) "installer is very much like that of Ubuntu's alternate-install discs (not that I've gotten any of those to work, because I haven't..)" |
| 02:21.02 | maddash | "Slackware looks way too hard to figure out, but Debian, which just released version 4.0, offers a net-install ISO" <--- debian's getting easier now? maybe i should switch to slack... |
| 02:21.24 | cafuego | maddash: It even has an X based installer |
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| 02:22.17 | karsten | smacnay: For a system that old, try disabling it and see if the problems go away. |
| 02:22.23 | maddash | cafuego: does that spell out to #debian's doom |
| 02:22.26 | maddash | cafuego: ? |
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| 02:22.36 | cafuego | maddash: nah, they're all on the other #debian |
| 02:22.46 | maddash | cafuego: phew. |
| 02:22.46 | karsten | smacnay: More recently there's hardware whi *won't" |
| 02:22.49 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 02:22.52 | smacnay | karsten: Hard to believe it is that old already. Still feels fresh. |
| 02:22.58 | karsten | smacnay: ... won't boot unless acpi is enabled. |
| 02:23.05 | bbelt16ag | i need to ad some users to my new samba server so i can share some files.. |
| 02:23.11 | bbelt16ag | i know there is a way but i forgot.. |
| 02:23.13 | karsten | smacnay: Time, she flies. |
| 02:23.21 | bbelt16ag | and i cant find my howto on my bookmark site |
| 02:23.26 | karsten | bbelt16ag: firt you create the users. |
| 02:23.27 | smacnay | bbelt16ag: man smbpasswd |
| 02:23.34 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 02:23.37 | karsten | bbelt16ag: That takes about 9 months by standard methods. |
| 02:23.38 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 02:23.49 | bbelt16ag | heh |
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| 02:23.55 | piper69 | hi |
| 02:23.57 | stoned | 9 months? |
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| 02:24.12 | karsten | stoned: Premies are exceptions. |
| 02:24.19 | piper69 | how can i see a list of channels in irssi please |
| 02:24.25 | stoned | what are you talking about karsten? |
| 02:24.27 | maddash | haha: "So far, GNOME in Debian 4.0 is no slower -- AT ALL -- then Xfce in Xubuntu 7.04" |
| 02:24.29 | stoned | piper69: /list |
| 02:24.56 | karsten | stoned: Something you know very little about, apparently. |
| 02:24.59 | stoned | piper69: this is not an IRC help channel. Google for `How to use IRC` |
| 02:25.04 | cmatheson | Wyzard: hmm, i guess i'm a little confused. i'm trying to install grub on this disk (which is /dev/hdc), but it will act as the primary disk in a new VM. if i add a entry for (hd1) /dev/hdc i get a Grub Hard Disk Error when i boot the VM w/ the new disk ... any ideas? |
| 02:25.07 | Azar | ../list and the wrath of freenode penixes over the curious |
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| 02:25.19 | stoned | karsten: I just joined in and saw 9 months |
| 02:25.21 | karsten | piper69: /msg chanserv help |
| 02:25.24 | Wyzard | cmatheson: If it's the boot disk then it's (hd0) |
| 02:25.26 | stoned | karsten: you don't have to be a dick about it |
| 02:25.26 | bbelt16ag | ould not connect to machine 127.0.0.1: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
| 02:25.26 | bbelt16ag | Failed to change password for erin |
| 02:25.33 | karsten | stoned: Talking about creating users. |
| 02:25.33 | \amethyst | stoned: how long it takes to make a new user |
| 02:25.50 | Azar | 9 months? |
| 02:25.52 | karsten | stoned: I've got joins/quits ignored, sorry. |
| 02:25.53 | stoned | \amethyst: how long does it take a ***** woman to shit? |
| 02:25.57 | stoned | same difference. |
| 02:26.20 | dexomsrc | I changed a number of things on my system,updated packages and went from stock kernel 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 but now X11 doesn't understand my xorg.conf anymore |
| 02:26.24 | maddash | stoned: what's a "***** woman"? |
| 02:26.41 | cmatheson | Wyzard: ok, so do i tried that (commenting out the existing hd0 (/dev/hda) line, but then i get a complaint about /dev/hda1 not having a corresponding BIOS drive |
| 02:26.49 | stoned | maddash: substitute with any race you want. I think I might get banned for this joke.. I should just shut up. |
| 02:26.51 | Azar | dexomsrc: I guess you run sid (unstable).. |
| 02:26.58 | Wyzard | cmatheson: /dev/hda would be (hd1) |
| 02:26.59 | stoned | I shut up now. |
| 02:27.10 | stoned | karsten: thats funny I never heard that before |
| 02:27.14 | Azar | stoned: after these commercials |
| 02:27.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:27.35 | dexomsrc | "Parse error on line 7 of section ServerLayout in file /etc/xorg/xorg.conf "Screen0" is not a valid keyword in this section." |
| 02:27.43 | dexomsrc | but that's a lie |
| 02:27.47 | stoned | lol |
| 02:27.49 | maddash | stoned: ohhh, **** denotes a race |
| 02:27.53 | Azar | dexomsrc: which version of debian are you ruining? |
| 02:27.56 | stoned | maddash: shush! |
| 02:28.09 | stoned | dexomsrc: paste xorg.conf on pastebin |
| 02:28.15 | stoned | !paster dexomsrc |
| 02:28.15 | dpkg | dexomsrc: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:28.16 | dexomsrc | Azar: there's a small chance in might be sid |
| 02:28.24 | dexomsrc | darn |
| 02:28.28 | stoned | dexomsrc: you don't know what you're running? |
| 02:28.29 | Azar | dexomsrc: ah ok, then you can play with it |
| 02:28.35 | dexomsrc | stoned: Oh I do |
| 02:28.47 | dexomsrc | It's sid |
| 02:28.55 | maddash | dexomsrc: cat /proc/version |
| 02:29.03 | bbelt16ag | not working peeps |
| 02:29.07 | karsten | Azar: Typo or intentional? "Which version ..." |
| 02:29.09 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.18 | Azar | karsten: intentional |
| 02:29.19 | bbelt16ag | and saying it cant connect to 127.0.0..1 |
| 02:29.32 | bbelt16ag | nt status login failure |
| 02:29.33 | cwheeler | there's 2 dots in that ip |
| 02:29.33 | Azar | but if he is running sid... full speed ahead |
| 02:29.41 | dexomsrc | stoned: I normally use Nvidia's proprietary drivers but this problem is not related to them |
| 02:29.41 | karsten | bbelt16ag: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE IIRC is result of a bad samba setting, which I forget. Google. |
| 02:29.45 | cwheeler | where there should only be 1 |
| 02:29.57 | stoned | karsten: usually when trying to connect as root. |
| 02:30.07 | stoned | karsten: or a bad password I think |
| 02:30.13 | cmatheson | Wyzard: ok, that's progress... now i die on stage1.5 on the bootup w/ Error 21, which the grub manual says is because the device part of a device or full file name is not recognized by the BIOS. |
| 02:30.14 | dexomsrc | stoned: rather, I have two X11 screens configured, on to be on the left and the other on the right with NO TwinView |
| 02:30.26 | dexomsrc | that's what it's all of a sudden getting tripped up on |
| 02:30.34 | dexomsrc | but I still haven't pasted my xorg.conf |
| 02:30.36 | Wyzard | cmatheson: hmm, dunno about that |
| 02:30.42 | dexomsrc | because I have no X11 |
| 02:30.47 | stoned | dexomsrc: ok I am following you so far... but that being an invalid keyword is beyond me |
| 02:30.47 | bbelt16ag | looking it up on google |
| 02:30.53 | dexomsrc | and that's a daunting task for my links skills |
| 02:31.02 | cmatheson | Wyzard: ok thanks for your help |
| 02:31.20 | stoned | dexomsrc: are you sure it isn't a simple syntax error? |
| 02:31.28 | karsten | stoned: I thought it was something else, possibly registry keys, but this is localhost to samba server. |
| 02:31.40 | stoned | dexomsrc: maybe a section you forgot to close off? |
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| 02:32.02 | stoned | karsten: root by default is not allowed to login in samba in debian |
| 02:32.09 | Azar | " I'm beginning to wonder, just how much of Ubuntu is already there in Debian? It looks like a lot more than I thought." << the spins of misinformation honorables!!! horror!!! |
| 02:32.10 | dexomsrc | stoned: no, not 100% |
| 02:32.21 | dexomsrc | stoned: is there a better way for me to paste my xorg.conf? |
| 02:32.24 | dexomsrc | oh wait! |
| 02:32.46 | stoned | dexomsrc: you can upload it to a paste site using a cli browser, elinks/links2 perhaps |
| 02:32.47 | maddash | damn!! solid state drives = lack of an accelerometer |
| 02:32.51 | Azar | someone is publicly misinforming the populace leading them to believe that Debian is a fork of Ubuntu! |
| 02:32.52 | stoned | !pastebin |
| 02:32.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 02:32.59 | stoned | dexomsrc: also get aptitude install gpm |
| 02:33.09 | stoned | dexomsrc: make your mouse copy/paste in cli with gpm |
| 02:33.14 | maddash | dexomsrc: aptitude install w3m |
| 02:33.14 | karsten | bbelt16ag: /join #samba perhaps. |
| 02:33.32 | \amethyst | Azar: I don't read that as implying that Debian is a fork of Ubuntu |
| 02:33.39 | karsten | Azar: What's your native language? |
| 02:33.49 | Azar | karsten: spanish |
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| 02:33.56 | maddash | \amethyst: er, vice versa? |
| 02:34.21 | karsten | \amethyst: Sounds like a misinformed question to me. There's a few vaguely valid possible formulations though. Ubunut adds a few things, they're not in Debian yet, or not default. |
| 02:34.30 | Azar | \amethyst: the way the guy puts it, that's is understood by me at least at the first sight |
| 02:35.25 | stoned | Azar: you like tacos? |
| 02:35.26 | Azar | karsten and \amethyst if you would read Mark Suttleworth's interview you would puke.. |
| 02:35.34 | stoned | Azar: link me bro |
| 02:35.35 | Azar | stoned: chorrizos |
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| 02:35.42 | stoned | I want to read |
| 02:35.45 | Azar | holdon to find it |
| 02:35.52 | stoned | take your time |
| 02:35.54 | karsten | bbelt16ag: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=286599 |
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| 02:36.12 | karsten | Azar: Which interview? |
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| 02:37.21 | Azar | scroll down the blabber to Wednesday: http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week |
| 02:37.35 | dexomsrc | stoned: pastbin.ca/460562 |
| 02:37.36 | Azar | then you will understand what I feel |
| 02:37.43 | dexomsrc | oh |
| 02:37.44 | stoned | dexomsrc: hold on |
| 02:37.45 | dexomsrc | pastebin |
| 02:37.53 | dexomsrc | www.pastebin.ca/460562 |
| 02:37.54 | TSMan | hi all, how can i get my internet ip using a linux command, i am behind the router so ifconfig shows my internal ip |
| 02:38.11 | karsten | TSMan: mtr. |
| 02:38.26 | karsten | TSMan: Or sort how to query your router for its public-facing IP. |
| 02:38.26 | stoned | dexomsrc: Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired. |
| 02:38.41 | karsten | !mtr |
| 02:38.42 | dpkg | from memory, mtr is a Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool |
| 02:38.49 | dexomsrc | www.pastebin.ca/460502 |
| 02:38.51 | dexomsrc | sorry |
| 02:39.04 | karsten | TSMan: I prefer the ncurses to X11 version. |
| 02:39.15 | stoned | dexomsrc: what was the error? |
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| 02:39.41 | stoned | karsten: ncurses kicks buttocks |
| 02:40.04 | karsten | stoned: damned straight. |
| 02:40.13 | dexomsrc | It's up there ^ |
| 02:40.23 | dexomsrc | :/ I don't have gpm |
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| 02:40.37 | karsten | stoned: REminds me of a time someone had some issue, was running lord knows what, maybe top, was requested to paste output. |
| 02:40.43 | stoned | lol |
| 02:40.48 | TSMan | karsten, my router doesn't support dyndns , so i have a big problem using ez-update which takes the ifconfig IP, i am gonna write a script to solve it. do you have any better idea? |
| 02:40.52 | karsten | stoned: They screenshot the terminal window and pasted the jpg. Artifacts and all. |
| 02:41.00 | karsten | TSMan: Nope. |
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| 02:41.02 | stoned | karsten: funny |
| 02:41.07 | karsten | stoned: sad. |
| 02:41.21 | stoned | dexomsrc: can you please tell the error you recieved ascociated with your xorg.conf |
| 02:41.40 | stoned | dexomsrc: I am trying to help you, please make it easier for me to do so |
| 02:41.42 | dexomsrc | "Parse error on line 7 of section ServerLayout in file |
| 02:41.42 | dexomsrc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.46 | stoned | ok |
| 02:41.50 | karsten | !tell dexomsrc about paster |
| 02:42.08 | dexomsrc | "Parse error on line 7 of section ServerLayout in file /etc/xorg/xorg.conf "Screen0" is not a valid keyword in this section." |
| 02:42.09 | stoned | Screen 1 "Screen1" rightOf "Screen "Screen0" |
| 02:42.15 | stoned | syntax error |
| 02:42.18 | dexomsrc | omg |
| 02:42.19 | stoned | read it closefly |
| 02:42.21 | stoned | closely |
| 02:42.21 | dexomsrc | I see it |
| 02:42.24 | dexomsrc | dern it |
| 02:42.24 | stoned | :) |
| 02:42.33 | maddash | haha |
| 02:42.49 | karsten | unmatched quotes. |
| 02:42.57 | Azar | what is Screen0, Screen1? |
| 02:43.16 | maddash | karsten just did |
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| 02:43.26 | Azar | who put them there? |
| 02:43.33 | karsten | maddash: No, that just closed one I've been holding open since 1997 |
| 02:43.49 | Azar | so karsten did you read it? |
| 02:43.56 | maddash | karsten: haha |
| 02:44.05 | dexomsrc | stoned: Hmm, so now my nvidia drivers won't install |
| 02:44.13 | maddash | can hdparm test write speeds? |
| 02:44.19 | dexomsrc | more specifically, during the install process it fails to compile the kernel module |
| 02:44.29 | stoned | dexomsrc: you mentioned nvidia binary installer. I don't support non debian packages or install methods. |
| 02:44.31 | dexomsrc | although I have the kernel headers package for this kernel |
| 02:44.35 | maddash | dexomsrc: check the /var/log |
| 02:44.53 | Azar | we lead a lot of very useful work, which eventually gets included in debian. |
| 02:45.07 | stoned | Azar: now I've some time for you.. link me again and I'll read it |
| 02:45.16 | stoned | Azar: my IRC buffer is a bit small |
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| 02:46.01 | maddash | stoned: http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week |
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| 02:46.05 | Azar | http://www.ubuntunews.info/mark-shuttleworth-interview-ubuntu-open-week |
| 02:46.13 | Azar | oh |
| 02:46.19 | maddash | !test write speeds, bitch |
| 02:46.19 | dpkg | Testing write speeds, bitch... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 02:46.19 | stoned | Thanks |
| 02:47.21 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.12 | Trojaneyez | Has anyone had an issue with semicolon errors when trying to start /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server ? |
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| 02:49.58 | Azar | we get twice the volume of bug reports now, not because we are more buggy, but because we reach a wider audience. << oh my god |
| 02:49.59 | maddash | Azar: is he deliberately starting sentences with lowercase? |
| 02:50.20 | Azar | maddash: is an interview and I guess he has huge sentences.. |
| 02:51.11 | stoned | we have brought debian millions of new users, in a category that it was never previously taken seriously in, the desktop. in addition, many new DD's come through Ubuntu, or first discover debian through Ubuntu. we are expanding the debian universe, which is very good for debian. we lead a lot of very useful work, which eventually gets included in debian. |
| 02:51.12 | Azar | debian would benefit if they took an interest in ensuring that their packages are getting that wider exposure << cry of envy debian |
| 02:51.17 | stoned | DUDE WHAT!!!! |
| 02:51.25 | stoned | what the fuck is this moron talking about? |
| 02:51.30 | stoned | geezus christ |
| 02:51.43 | Azar | stoned: talk nice please, show you got the education he does not have |
| 02:51.51 | Trojaneyez | wow |
| 02:51.53 | Trojaneyez | interesting |
| 02:51.54 | stoned | I just said fuck :( |
| 02:52.18 | Miles_Prower | Really? how many of those people have downloaded Debian? |
| 02:52.35 | Miles_Prower | or did they download Ubuntu, which is a derivative work, and not the real deal. |
| 02:52.45 | Azar | to sum it up my overal view on those comments is that he gets upset that Debian does not bow and thank buntus for all the hard work they do for us |
| 02:52.45 | maddash | stoned: you didn't say anything. you typed it. bad fingers. bad, bad. |
| 02:52.47 | Trojaneyez | Most people will not migrate from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 02:52.47 | muhoo | i've got a fucked-up bios that shoves everything onto one pci interrupt |
| 02:52.53 | maddash | Trojaneyez: I did. |
| 02:53.02 | muhoo | is there any way with pirq= kernel flag to separate these out a bit? |
| 02:53.06 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: exactly! |
| 02:53.09 | Trojaneyez | maddash : as i said "most" |
| 02:53.14 | muhoo | i'm reading the IO-APIC.txt doc in kernel docs |
| 02:53.22 | muhoo | but it's not clear to me exactly how this works |
| 02:53.30 | Trojaneyez | ubuntu is a very comfy branch of debian it has the bells and whistles that debian lacks in some areas |
| 02:53.31 | muhoo | also have dump_pirq output to look at too |
| 02:53.32 | Azar | Trojaneyez: most people on buntu are mswin refugees.... I do not blame them |
| 02:53.44 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: Yet those of us like I who started with debian, don't see any reason to go to ubuntu.. I have NEWER stuff in some cases than ubuntu does, on my debian. |
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| 02:53.54 | karsten | Azar: There's nothing fundamentally wrong with folks running Ubuntu. Get over it. |
| 02:53.58 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: because like.. I compile things. and know how to update my kernel right. |
| 02:54.00 | gravity | It'd be nice if Ubuntu actually contributed some of the more difficult things that they've done, like upstart and the laptop acpi hotness. |
| 02:54.02 | karsten | Azar: That's off-topic here. Troll elsewhere. |
| 02:54.06 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower: I feel the same way |
| 02:54.07 | muhoo | :-) |
| 02:54.10 | Trojaneyez | I began with slackware |
| 02:54.17 | gravity | But they are right that they do give back a fair amount. Way more than other derivatives. |
| 02:54.20 | Trojaneyez | and moved to debian after a while , and now that's all i run |
| 02:54.34 | maddash | Trojaneyez: "ubuntu is a very comfy branch of debian it has the bells and whistles that debian lacks in some areas" <---- you mean, bloat? |
| 02:54.35 | Azar | karsten: don't take me wrong, I consider buntu a good choice for many people... what bothers me is mr Suttlewroth's comments on Debian |
| 02:54.41 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: I still run zipslack - Fat32 on my craptop. |
| 02:54.44 | karsten | Azar: Off. Topic. |
| 02:55.00 | Azar | ok, karsten sorry |
| 02:55.03 | Trojaneyez | maddash: some people consider bloated good for the new comers, and it is if you think about it |
| 02:55.04 | karsten | muhoo: I began with one. |
| 02:55.07 | maddash | karsten: what kind of computing could you do with sticks? |
| 02:55.11 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower really? that's sweet |
| 02:55.16 | stoned | my first was also slackware |
| 02:55.23 | stoned | slackware broke me in |
| 02:55.39 | karsten | maddash: We actually found a whole class of problems that were appropriate to the technology. |
| 02:55.40 | Azar | Guerin made me addicted to Debian |
| 02:55.40 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: I can't find anything else that runs well on it. It's an AM5x86/100mhz W/8mb ram. Epson actionnote 910C |
| 02:55.43 | muhoo | i started with potato |
| 02:55.47 | karsten | maddash: Including quite a few sticky problems. |
| 02:55.51 | muhoo | first linux distro i used. |
| 02:55.58 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower: DSL is even to big for it prolly |
| 02:56.03 | Guerin | !tranquilise Azar |
| 02:56.07 | stoned | lol |
| 02:56.11 | stoned | Guerin: hi |
| 02:56.18 | Guerin | stoned: i wish |
| 02:56.25 | stoned | really? word man |
| 02:56.25 | stoned | word |
| 02:56.39 | Azar | :) Guerin without you I would be still floating on murky mswin |
| 02:56.39 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: I found a 64mb SRAM compact-flash format card. that's my swap file. |
| 02:56.40 | Guerin | it's friday in the longest week evar |
| 02:56.47 | stoned | thurs. night here |
| 02:56.53 | stoned | 11pm est |
| 02:56.55 | maddash | karsten: "staff problems" |
| 02:56.58 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: it sits in an adapter in the second PCMCIA slot. |
| 02:56.59 | Trojaneyez | so yeah , anyways.. Anyone had any issues with the dhcp.conf ? and the init script not seeing the semicolons |
| 02:57.12 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: stole it from an old Dell printer. |
| 02:57.16 | Azar | Guerin: don't remind me: my company invited all employee's kids this friday, was a nightmare |
| 02:57.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:57.30 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower NICE! .. I put DSL on a 16meg flash card |
| 02:57.37 | maddash | Azar: who'd you bring? |
| 02:57.37 | Guerin | my cow orkers want me to go and have drinks with them |
| 02:57.45 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower: runs and stuck it in a Thin client terminal |
| 02:57.47 | Azar | maddash: my unborn babies |
| 02:57.49 | Guerin | at a tex-mex theme bar called arizona |
| 02:57.57 | stoned | im waiting till midnight |
| 02:58.02 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: this isn't flash. it's only CF-sized/shaped. it's just plain RAM |
| 02:58.05 | stoned | supposed to get a lotta money in my account |
| 02:58.05 | Guerin | where the cocktails are called stupid shit like `ride ;em cowboy' and `san antonio rose' |
| 02:58.06 | stoned | :D |
| 02:58.14 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower ahh , that's even cooler |
| 02:58.17 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: my startup script wipes and formats it, swapon on it. |
| 02:58.22 | Guerin | i fucking hate theme bars |
| 02:58.23 | karsten | Guerin: Tex-Mex bar in NZ? |
| 02:58.24 | Miles_Prower | Trojaneyez: each time i boot craptop |
| 02:58.40 | stoned | there is one thing though, ubuntu release party was huge.. while the debian etch release party.. there was like me and rahul and stew and maybe 10 other people at most |
| 02:58.43 | stoned | :/ |
| 02:58.54 | gravity | Yeah, pretty much the same in Boston |
| 02:58.58 | maddash | haha "theme bars" -- doesn't that epitomize your average IRC channel? |
| 02:58.58 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower sounds like you put alot of thought into it |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | karsten: they're everywhere. Arizona, Lone Star, Coyote, Shooters, Crazy Horse ... those are just the ones in the middle of WGTN |
| 02:59.15 | karsten | Guerin: ... interesting ... |
| 02:59.16 | Trojaneyez | I'm trying to convert a old hp net printer into a DHCP server |
| 02:59.22 | Guerin | and not a fucking one of them can make a decent margarita |
| 02:59.23 | Azar | here in Cali the party was way too high for me: Hollywood duds |
| 02:59.33 | stoned | gravity: :) but it is the quality of the people that matters eh |
| 02:59.38 | gravity | heh |
| 02:59.40 | maddash | Trojaneyez: how's that going? |
| 02:59.49 | gravity | Well, in Boston there was at least one celeb. Two if you count mako. |
| 02:59.52 | Guerin | maddash: this is a good point. |
| 02:59.55 | stoned | nice |
| 02:59.56 | Trojaneyez | maddash umm not well |
| 03:00.12 | Trojaneyez | the nic in it is driving me insane |
| 03:00.12 | gravity | For Debian... well, one if you count mako :-) |
| 03:00.12 | Trojaneyez | will receive but won't transmite |
| 03:00.21 | maddash | Trojaneyez: how did you even manage to boot from it? |
| 03:00.24 | Azar | gravity: which mako , mako from Hawaii? |
| 03:00.34 | Guerin | Trojaneyez: that'd be a cool hack if you got it working |
| 03:00.50 | Trojaneyez | using a embeded linu , and it navigates with the small lcd screen |
| 03:01.07 | gravity | Azar: No, the one from planet Debian |
| 03:01.10 | Azar | gravity: ah I see |
| 03:01.11 | gravity | And Planet Ubuntu I guess |
| 03:01.19 | maddash | Trojaneyez: er, how do you login? how do you ifup? or aptitude install? |
| 03:01.27 | Azar | yeah I read it sometimes |
| 03:01.53 | Trojaneyez | it has a serial connection on the back of it , and if you open it up it has jumpers |
| 03:01.59 | Trojaneyez | you can get into the bios that way |
| 03:02.05 | Guerin | maddash: it doesn't sound like he's running debian on it |
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| 03:02.35 | maddash | Guerin: "embedded linux |
| 03:02.35 | dexomsrc | stoned: further problems, non-nvidia related! |
| 03:02.36 | maddash | " |
| 03:02.40 | Trojaneyez | basicly i had to write it and hope it booted |
| 03:03.06 | Trojaneyez | i knew i had it working when my "fuck you" welcome message scrolled across |
| 03:03.35 | \amethyst | Trojaneyez: what model is this printer? |
| 03:03.50 | Trojaneyez | 4000 |
| 03:03.53 | Trojaneyez | N |
| 03:04.19 | Miles_Prower | I had a small webserver on a Linksys PSUS4 print server. |
| 03:04.24 | Miles_Prower | the beast has 256mb of ram! |
| 03:04.29 | Miles_Prower | and a 32mb flash |
| 03:04.31 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower insane |
| 03:04.39 | \amethyst | Trojaneyez: ah, MIPS |
| 03:04.47 | Miles_Prower | it's this 3 inch square deal, 4 NIC's and a USB port. |
| 03:04.51 | Miles_Prower | so i can do ANYTHING with it. |
| 03:04.55 | Trojaneyez | Miles_Prower I want to take a bluetooth phone and turn it into a bluetooth AP |
| 03:04.56 | \amethyst | Trojaneyez: I was going to ask, had someone ported Linux to the i960 :) |
| 03:05.04 | Trojaneyez | \amethyst heh |
| 03:05.37 | Trojaneyez | so if you have a blue tooth device it'll auto negotiate and jump on the net |
| 03:05.53 | Trojaneyez | but thinking i'll need a blackberry for that |
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| 03:06.20 | Trojaneyez | aight well 4am will be here fast, talk to you all later |
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| 03:09.14 | maddash | hm, solid state drives would negate the necessity for `wipe`, `srm` et al. |
| 03:09.47 | karsten | maddash: Not quite. |
| 03:09.55 | maddash | and LUKS et al. would be crazy fast |
| 03:10.04 | maddash | karsten: oh? |
| 03:10.10 | karsten | maddash: You wouldn't have the option for MSM, but there are ways to recover data from memory patterns. |
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| 03:12.46 | maddash | karsten: interesting. what's your source? |
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| 03:13.51 | karsten | maddash: Mostly /dev/ass, but there's some research about recovering data from memory cores, etc. Specifics will vary on the HW in question. |
| 03:14.03 | Azar | so if the 2.6.21 was just released that makes the 2.6.20 stable? |
| 03:14.17 | karsten | maddash: My more general point is that you shouldn't assume your data are safe on the basis of media characteristics alone. |
| 03:14.36 | karsten | maddash: ... and even disk recovery methods are often very expensive and partial. |
| 03:14.52 | karsten | Azar: Mp/ |
| 03:14.59 | karsten | Azar: Erm, no. |
| 03:15.00 | maddash | Azar: "The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.21" |
| 03:15.13 | stew | fsvo stable |
| 03:15.25 | Guerin | !kernel of instbility |
| 03:15.33 | maddash | Azar: that makes 2.6.20 old stable, and me a caveman. |
| 03:15.33 | Guerin | mentall add an a in there, dpkg |
| 03:15.35 | stew | i guess its probably stable in the debian sense |
| 03:15.41 | maddash | karsten: what's "/dev/ass"? |
| 03:15.46 | karsten | Azar: A new software release does not automatically convey stability to the prior release of same. |
| 03:15.51 | karsten | maddash: What it sounds like. |
| 03:16.01 | Guerin | all i want to know is whether it has suspend2 built in |
| 03:16.12 | karsten | Guerin: No, /dev/ass does not. |
| 03:16.15 | maddash | karsten: oh. heh. |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | karsten: no sasspend2? |
| 03:16.32 | Guerin | thass terrible |
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| 03:16.59 | karsten | ... mouth. |
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| 03:17.38 | maddash | wow, they're still developing 2.4 |
| 03:17.46 | Guerin | at least it will fix the ext2/3 bugs in >2.6.20 |
| 03:17.54 | Guerin | err < |
| 03:17.59 | Guerin | ykwim |
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| 03:18.36 | karsten | Guerin: I'm disappointed that 2.2 is apparently utterly finished. |
| 03:19.14 | karsten | Last update 2004-02-25. |
| 03:19.19 | karsten | 2.2.26 |
| 03:19.19 | Guerin | aww |
| 03:19.40 | maddash | damn, still no reiser4 |
| 03:19.46 | Guerin | right |
| 03:19.50 | Guerin | and there never will be |
| 03:19.53 | karsten | maddash: Don't hold your breath on that. |
| 03:20.00 | Guerin | unless hans is acquitted |
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| 03:20.06 | Wyzard | hmm... has anyone here used VMware Workstation 6 beta in unstable on amd64? |
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| 03:20.12 | maddash | Guerin: of? |
| 03:20.23 | Guerin | !anyone use VMware Workstation 6 beta in unstable on amd64? |
| 03:20.23 | dpkg | No, no one uses VMware Workstation 6 beta in unstable on amd64, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:20.24 | Wyzard | I'm getting undefined symbols in GTK but I don't see any info about the problem online, so I'm wondering if it's just me |
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| 03:20.32 | Guerin | maddash: murderisin' his wife |
| 03:20.35 | hunshad | Hello everyone, somebody could it help me to install wamp server because I have a lodging but I is not any Mysql base or of php and I do not know how to install it on my Internet site |
| 03:20.40 | Guerin | maddash: and not very subtly, either |
| 03:20.48 | Azar | pfffahahahaha, karsten I am sorry but I could not resist, please look at this page and tell me what you see unusual? http://debian-news.net/modules/news/ |
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| 03:21.06 | Azar | misterrr Wyzard! hello honorable |
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| 03:21.14 | maddash | oh crud, it's that bloodskin_ dude |
| 03:21.35 | bloodskin | oh crud it is isnt it |
| 03:21.39 | karsten | Azar: Um. A lot of Ubuntu logos. |
| 03:22.02 | bloodskin | well, i got the nvidia drivers installed |
| 03:22.04 | Azar | ok you did not see it: Ubuntu : All roads lead to Debian |
| 03:22.12 | Master_Medic | what are the current versions of debian? |
| 03:22.16 | Azar | karsten: same article that we seen earlier |
| 03:22.20 | hunshad | Hello everyone, somebody could it help me to install wamp server because I have a lodging but I is not any Mysql base or of php and I do not know how to install it on my Internet site |
| 03:22.25 | karsten | Azar: <shrug> |
| 03:22.26 | Guerin | Master_Medic: /msg dpkg releases |
| 03:22.34 | bloodskin | ubuntu is based on debian, isnt it? |
| 03:22.35 | Guerin | hunshad: you already asked |
| 03:22.41 | Guerin | bloodskin: it is. Sort of. |
| 03:22.47 | Master_Medic | thanks :] |
| 03:22.50 | Azar | very distant cousin |
| 03:22.56 | maddash | wow, his wife is hot |
| 03:23.14 | Guerin | maddash: not any more. |
| 03:23.17 | hunshad | Yes but nobody knows the answer |
| 03:23.29 | Master_Medic | how can i download lenny? |
| 03:23.33 | simonrvn | you haven't given time for people to answer it... |
| 03:23.49 | karsten | !tell Master_Medic about install |
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| 03:24.34 | Master_Medic | isnt there a lenny iso though? |
| 03:24.36 | stew | Master_Medic: go to debian.org click on getting debian, look for "testing" |
| 03:24.51 | Wyzard | Master_Medic: No, because it isn't released and it changes on a daily basis |
| 03:24.51 | maddash | Guerin: a) she's missing, and *presumed* dead b) how the feck did hans get himself restrained from his wife? |
| 03:24.58 | bloodskin | so what does a net install do? do you write a boot image and do some configuring to have it download and install from a remote server? |
| 03:25.11 | Guerin | maddash: htfsik? |
| 03:25.17 | Wyzard | bloodskin: loads the installer from CD, and downloads other packages during installation |
| 03:25.26 | mmlj4 | bloodskin: it installs a very minimal system, and you download the rest |
| 03:25.42 | simonrvn | WTFDIMTY? |
| 03:25.46 | Azar | this way you can pick and cherry |
| 03:25.59 | Wyzard | That's an interesting phrase |
| 03:26.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: you mean plenty simonrvn |
| 03:26.05 | stew | bloodskin: what wyzard said, except thenetinstall actually contains all of the baes system packages on the cd, so those are installed from the cd, anything you want in addition to base must come from thenet |
| 03:26.11 | Azar | Wyzard: I learned it at the pub |
| 03:26.12 | maddash | Guerin: it was rhetorical. |
| 03:26.20 | mmlj4 | so, like i said |
| 03:26.29 | simonrvn | Guerin: wha? |
| 03:26.46 | Guerin | simonrvn: ERANDOM |
| 03:26.54 | simonrvn | ECONFUSED |
| 03:26.58 | simonrvn | ETIRED |
| 03:27.08 | Wyzard | stew: which is why I use businesscard instead... dunno if this is still true, but it used to be that netinst would always install the -386 kernel because that's all that would fit on the CD, but businesscard would just download the most appropriate one |
| 03:27.34 | stew | Wyzard: now its -486, but yes |
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| 03:28.12 | Wyzard | stew: Well, that's a little better -- at least -486 supports NPTL -- but I don't really see much benefit in netinst as opposed to businesscard |
| 03:28.39 | maddash | what a pity. Reiser4 whips all the other FSes in published speed benchmarks |
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| 03:29.12 | Guerin | maddash: yes. But it's made by a madman who cares a lot about speed and not a damn bit about anything else. |
| 03:29.15 | stew | it would kick ass if they benchmarked how fast a filesystem can get corupted |
| 03:29.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:29.29 | Guerin | that said, I used it for nine months on flakey power without losing data. |
| 03:29.41 | simonrvn | speed means fuck all if it's not stable too |
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| 03:30.16 | Azar | means watching your system get ruined at 100mph |
| 03:30.23 | stew | Wyzard: its faster. since every machine you ever install will need base, you might as well download it once |
| 03:30.36 | simonrvn | watch the approaching wall faster than evar! |
| 03:30.57 | Wyzard | stew: but not that much faster... I guess it'd make more of a difference if I installed Debian frequently |
| 03:31.43 | bloodskin | how big is the base system? |
| 03:31.56 | maddash | bloodskin: etch is ~400MB |
| 03:31.57 | bloodskin | the base i386 system that is |
| 03:32.02 | bloodskin | ahh |
| 03:33.07 | cafuego | bloodskin: liar |
| 03:33.26 | overclocker | i've problems authenticating against an ldap with apache2.2, the limits and limitexcept don't work, ideas? |
| 03:33.56 | maddash | Guerin: how flakey is "flakey"? |
| 03:34.11 | bloodskin | what? |
| 03:34.21 | bloodskin | liar? |
| 03:34.32 | Guerin | maddash: daily cuts |
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| 03:36.30 | concept10 | Is OpenBIOS the same as LinuxBIOS? |
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| 03:39.35 | bloodskin | do i have to burn the netinst.iso to a cd to be able to use it? |
| 03:39.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:39.43 | maddash | bloodskin: no. |
| 03:40.04 | jetscreamer | if your inst-fu is weak, maybe |
| 03:40.12 | jetscreamer | train well my son |
| 03:40.15 | Guerin | can we have another +q on bloodskin until he can demonstrate comprehension of the install guide? |
| 03:40.26 | maddash | "inst-fu"? |
| 03:40.27 | simonrvn | i suggest /ignore |
| 03:40.35 | bloodskin | dude |
| 03:40.37 | jetscreamer | install-fu |
| 03:40.45 | simonrvn | ignore-fu |
| 03:40.56 | jetscreamer | !fu |
| 03:40.56 | dpkg | i heard fu is _____ |
| 03:41.07 | stoned | jetscreamer: man whats up |
| 03:41.09 | \amethyst | concept10: as I understand it, OpenBIOS is an Open Firmware layer that can run on top of something lower-level like LinuxBIOS |
| 03:41.18 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 03:41.19 | \amethyst | s/can run/runs/ |
| 03:41.34 | stoned | hey simonrvn is here and concept10 |
| 03:41.41 | stoned | full house tonight |
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| 03:42.48 | simonrvn | who needs 64bit libs ona 32 bit box... |
| 03:42.52 | simonrvn | on a* |
| 03:43.07 | \amethyst | simonrvn: someone running 64-bit binaries? |
| 03:43.12 | stoned | i need some bits added to my downstream |
| 03:43.24 | stoned | sometimes it goes at 10mbit and sometimes at like 700kbit |
| 03:43.27 | \amethyst | simonrvn: you can run 64-bit kernel in the i386 arch |
| 03:43.30 | stoned | it blows |
| 03:43.52 | simonrvn | re-read what i said. was i not clear? |
| 03:44.11 | stoned | simonrvn: apparantly not :) |
| 03:44.25 | \amethyst | oh, by "32-bit box" you mean 32-bit hardware |
| 03:44.25 | magyar | "ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken" |
| 03:44.30 | \amethyst | I was thinking 32-bit distribution |
| 03:44.31 | magyar | what is this? |
| 03:44.36 | simonrvn | yes :). what else? :) |
| 03:44.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:44.57 | stoned | am I lagging |
| 03:45.01 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:45.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:45.02 | simonrvn | magyar: ignore it. it's useless if you're running SA |
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| 03:45.29 | simonrvn | or doing rejects of any sort.. or other smart things |
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| 03:46.11 | stoned | I have a strange networking issue... I've setup a dual NAT network and I can't seem to forward ports properly |
| 03:46.20 | maddash | heh. i couldn't help it. http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testsl9.png |
| 03:46.22 | stoned | ports are properly forwarded afaik, but they don't seem to work |
| 03:46.32 | simonrvn | you forgot the return address, that's why |
| 03:46.34 | stoned | I'm guessing its either buggy firmware on the router or NAT isn't doing its job |
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| 03:46.59 | simonrvn | people just don't write proper snail mail anymore |
| 03:47.08 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 03:47.18 | concept10 | \amethyst, thanks |
| 03:47.56 | stoned | simonrvn: so for example, I forward 8181 from WAN/router A to LAN/router B. RouterB forwards that incoming port to a machine wired to it on a different subnet. but its not working |
| 03:48.00 | stoned | !! im confused man |
| 03:48.04 | simonrvn | of course, you'd know that if you *read* the paniclog ;) |
| 03:48.25 | maddash | stoned: Ithink you want network bridging |
| 03:48.33 | stoned | maddash: I can't seem to setup a bridge |
| 03:48.35 | maddash | stoned: ipmasq |
| 03:48.47 | stoned | I want to have 1 subnet only but with my routers I can't seem to make it work |
| 03:48.54 | stoned | I haven't fully looked into bridging yet |
| 03:48.58 | stoned | I will tomorrow |
| 03:49.05 | stoned | my back is killing me right now |
| 03:49.07 | stoned | owie |
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| 03:49.41 | concept10 | wow, apt is complex |
| 03:50.02 | maddash | no, it's what apt entails that is complex |
| 03:50.39 | concept10 | thats almost how a woman thinks |
| 03:50.48 | stoned | man |
| 03:50.52 | stoned | you don't know what a woman thinks |
| 03:50.57 | stoned | you think you do but you don't |
| 03:51.13 | stoned | women are the most insanely complex pieces of hardware I've ever come across |
| 03:51.18 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:51.38 | stoned | well actually they're soft.. so software maybe :D |
| 03:51.44 | concept10 | no wonder its called debra package |
| 03:51.53 | stoned | deborah? |
| 03:51.59 | simonrvn | it's actually not that hard to understand women |
| 03:52.07 | maddash | yeah just use apt |
| 03:52.12 | stoned | simonrvn: it isn't? |
| 03:52.17 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:52.33 | stoned | simonrvn: you're much more wiser and older than I, please teach me. |
| 03:52.49 | stoned | simonrvn: I pledge myself to your teachings, my master |
| 03:53.18 | simonrvn | i'm no master, just lived with one the last 14 years |
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| 03:53.40 | simonrvn | pretty simple: listen, and share |
| 03:53.42 | stoned | simonrvn: well understand `your` woman is not the same as understanding women |
| 03:53.54 | stoned | simonrvn: I've been with my woman for more than 20 years |
| 03:54.02 | concept10 | more like listen and ignore :) |
| 03:54.06 | simonrvn | every person is unique |
| 03:54.06 | stoned | I know her ins and outs.. I know almost everything about her :) |
| 03:54.07 | maddash | simonrvn: you "have" "a" "woman"? |
| 03:54.15 | simonrvn | no, i'm with a woman |
| 03:54.38 | maddash | simonrvn: what package do you use? |
| 03:54.56 | simonrvn | what i was given at birth |
| 03:55.01 | stoned | simonrvn: but there are times, that even after 20 years of loving each other... she still surprises me |
| 03:55.05 | stoned | lol |
| 03:55.06 | stoned | !!!! |
| 03:55.07 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 03:55.09 | stoned | friggin awesome |
| 03:55.11 | bloodskin | whats the file called where your mirrors are stored? |
| 03:55.18 | stoned | bloodskin: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:55.21 | maddash | simonrvn: for a moment, I read that as "no, i'm a woman" |
| 03:55.22 | bloodskin | ahh |
| 03:55.25 | bloodskin | sources |
| 03:55.26 | magyar | what are "frozen" messages mean in exim? |
| 03:55.41 | simonrvn | well yeh, and same goes for her, i surprise her sometimes |
| 03:55.56 | stoned | simonrvn: I can't do it.. she knows me better than I know myself |
| 03:56.12 | simonrvn | magyar: check the body and headers |
| 03:56.33 | simonrvn | magyar: means they couldn't be delivered for some reason, and were held until it was resolved |
| 03:56.40 | simonrvn | it's resolved* |
| 03:57.13 | simonrvn | stoned: time to start looking and knowing then ;) |
| 03:57.15 | magyar | simonrvn: how can i check? |
| 03:57.52 | bloodskin | debian etch works on toaster ovens, right? |
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| 03:57.59 | simonrvn | exim4 -Mvb for body and -Mvh for headers. you need a msg id |
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| 03:59.03 | maddash | must...have...30GB! |
| 04:00.06 | magyar | simonrvn: "Mailing to remote domains not supported" but i fixed it already, how can i force them out? |
| 04:00.37 | simonrvn | exim4 -bpru | exiqsumm | sed '1,4d;$d;s/^.*\ \(.[^\ ]*$\)/\1/' | xargs -P 10 -n 1 exim4 -v -qqR |
| 04:00.58 | maddash | ahaha. http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further |
| 04:01.04 | itchi | m a woman" |
| 04:01.04 | itchi | 07:55:27 < bloodskin> ahh |
| 04:01.10 | maddash | to ops: please don't hurt me. |
| 04:01.18 | itchi | oeps, sad touchpad |
| 04:01.28 | maddash | itchi: you're a woman? |
| 04:01.33 | itchi | maddash: no |
| 04:01.55 | bloodskin | ? |
| 04:02.06 | stoned | I'm a woman |
| 04:02.19 | stoned | technically we're all women, to some extent.. on a genetic level |
| 04:02.30 | itchi | maddash: Looks some irc stuff, but this touchpad sucks and some time that tapping goes crazy if i restart x. I dunno why that happend, i have disabled that touchpad, but it work after restarting x |
| 04:02.47 | itchi | That tapping i mean |
| 04:02.55 | maddash | itchi: how do you disable the touchpad? |
| 04:03.05 | itchi | Wait, i gona check, maybe is it gone with a update |
| 04:03.14 | itchi | maddash: A line in the xorg |
| 04:03.16 | maddash | itchi: oops, never mind. check out xorg.conf |
| 04:03.17 | itchi | maddash: Hold on |
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| 04:05.09 | itchi | maddash: Here a part of my xorg, if your interesting http://pastebin.ca/460590 |
| 04:05.21 | itchi | maddash: But like it say, if you restart x, some time ... |
| 04:05.31 | itchi | Still not fixed it looks :-s |
| 04:05.53 | maddash | itchi: man synaptc |
| 04:05.57 | maddash | itchi: man synaptics |
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| 04:06.03 | itchi | maddash: Yeah, i know lol |
| 04:06.16 | itchi | maddash: You asked a question too heh |
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| 04:08.54 | itchi | Heh, who use that tapping feature on a touchpad? |
| 04:09.27 | itchi | Even tried in vim with tapping? heh :-) |
| 04:09.37 | amphi | itchi: the tubes are filled with cries of 'how do I turn off tap-to-click?' ;) |
| 04:10.10 | itchi | amphi: I can not imagine that people use that tapping feature, or have i such sad chance |
| 04:10.45 | amphi | I never met anyone that iked it |
| 04:10.55 | amphi | *liked |
| 04:11.30 | itchi | Bah, i may say; "If it work right" hehe |
| 04:12.28 | itchi | How do i disable that now? Cause it's only disabled in the xorg config, but heh, it work right now |
| 04:13.05 | amphi | itchi: maxtaptime 0 or some such IIRC |
| 04:13.15 | itchi | Yeah, after some random X restart it's again good. Dunno what there happend |
| 04:13.36 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i have that http://pastebin.ca/460590 |
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| 04:14.16 | itchi | heh, wait, gona restart x |
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| 04:14.42 | amphi | itchi: uhuh - I disabled my pad in the bios, that did the job ;) |
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| 04:15.46 | krazykit | tap to click is <3 |
| 04:15.57 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, but then it completely no more work |
| 04:16.07 | itchi | amphi: It's just that tapping that sucks |
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| 04:16.25 | itchi | amphi: And the other features i have disabled :-p (see pastebin) |
| 04:16.47 | itchi | It looks again good now |
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| 04:17.55 | itchi | It's just some time after restarting X that the tapping goes on. I thing then just restarting once X after that trouble and it's gone |
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| 04:18.21 | itchi | I dunno how much time i have restart X now, around 7 |
| 04:19.20 | itchi | But that trouble happend after a random number of X restart |
| 04:19.34 | itchi | Dunno, i should note it down |
| 04:19.54 | itchi | heh, echo$ |
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| 04:30.06 | itchi | amphi: Have you that same trouble? |
| 04:30.55 | itchi | I'm a bit screwed now, X complain hehe, to much restarted hehe |
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| 04:33.31 | abchirk | mhm can anoyne tell me why my /proc is ~2,1gb??? |
| 04:34.16 | sussudio | %why |
| 04:34.17 | badgers | Because! |
| 04:35.29 | abchirk | mhh :( |
| 04:36.33 | itchi | abchirk: That's not 'counted' on your FS size |
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| 04:36.56 | abchirk | mh ok :) |
| 04:37.08 | itchi | abchirk: That is a special directory; stuff from the kernel, you should avoid to backup that too |
| 04:37.57 | kingsley | abchirk: I seem to recall a utility that graphically shows you the size of subdirectiries and files, and that it's called something like "flashlite". |
| 04:38.19 | itchi | filelight?? |
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| 04:39.13 | rares000 | anyone use webmin? |
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| 04:39.29 | itchi | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/filelight.jpg |
| 04:39.29 | bintut | i want to install some packages from the testing.. i'm currently running etch/stable.. how can i do that, like mixing stable and testing on my sources.list? |
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| 04:41.00 | kingsley | itchi: Thanks for the reminder. I think it's spelled "filelight". abchirk: check out filelight. |
| 04:41.21 | abchirk | yap I saw it on the screenshot... :) |
| 04:41.21 | itchi | bintut: Why want you to mix releases? That's not yet very good or you need to be are good with pinning |
| 04:41.36 | Regnad | What dictates which modules are loaded prior to init? |
| 04:41.47 | abchirk | But now its strange suddenly I have 800mb on / free before 10 minutes it were only 3mb :D |
| 04:42.17 | bintut | itchi: i want to install some packages from testing.. is pinning the right way to do it? |
| 04:42.18 | itchi | abchirk: That graph is of the / you just type ie /home there or whatever |
| 04:42.25 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 04:42.29 | abchirk | hi |
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| 04:42.35 | abchirk | k thx |
| 04:42.36 | Master_Medic | i just installed debian testing on a laptop |
| 04:42.37 | nvz | bintut: more specifically what packages are worth doing this.. it may be a better option to build them using your libraries or get backports if available |
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| 04:42.43 | itchi | bintut: I not mix stuff, i not recomment to mix |
| 04:43.05 | nvz | bintut: if the packages you want depend on a lot of things that other packages depend on you will cause breakage if they arent all compatible |
| 04:43.07 | Master_Medic | and i ran aptitude update and upgrade and it said that there was something wrong with the modules file, and that i need to reboot very soon |
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| 04:43.11 | itchi | s/recomment/recommend/ :-p |
| 04:43.14 | bintut | nvz: you mean, www.backports.org ? |
| 04:43.17 | Master_Medic | is that normal |
| 04:43.18 | Master_Medic | ? |
| 04:43.24 | nvz | bintut: thats the best source |
| 04:43.33 | nvz | bintut: apt-get.org |
| 04:43.37 | bintut | nvz: the packages are not there yet |
| 04:43.46 | nvz | bintut: well consider this wisely |
| 04:44.07 | Master_Medic | in grub there are two options Debian, and a Debian (single-user mode) |
| 04:44.11 | Master_Medic | i want the regular Debian right? |
| 04:44.33 | nvz | bintut: if you want to install something that is gonna change your whole system libs around that could be bad.. however lenny is still close to sarge on a lot of things right now I think they are still using the same libc6 and whatnot |
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| 04:44.54 | kingsley | abchirk: For what it's worth, on my computer, a file named "/proc/kcore" takes up a gigabyte. |
| 04:45.06 | nvz | bintut: careful pinning would avoid upgrading to new libs and breaking etch packages when in the future a better solution could be available |
| 04:45.07 | abchirk | mh ok :) |
| 04:45.20 | bintut | nvz: i'm running etch and still on a base system |
| 04:45.51 | scrillaz | is lenny ready 4 use? |
| 04:46.45 | itchi | scrillaz: I use it right now |
| 04:46.55 | nvz | bintut: well I'm saying if you want foo from another distro that depends on a new version of libfoo and it upgrades to that, then foobar from etch that you also want to use doesnt like this new version of libfoo you're screwed |
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| 04:47.06 | scrillaz | cool |
| 04:47.14 | itchi | scrillaz: Not that i recommend testing |
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| 04:47.27 | scrillaz | so i will get updates to my apps? |
| 04:47.27 | Regnad | Master_Medic: Yes, you want "regular Debian". Unless, of course, you need to debug things like "something wrong with modules". |
| 04:47.38 | scrillaz | am using etch right now |
| 04:47.43 | Master_Medic | ok |
| 04:47.49 | bintut | nvz: thanks for advice |
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| 04:47.58 | itchi | scrillaz: Yeah, 'New' bugs too. Upgrades, means reconfiguring some stuff too |
| 04:48.10 | Regnad | Master_Medic: Do you really need to live on the bleeding edge with "testing"? |
| 04:48.13 | scrillaz | ok |
| 04:48.17 | nvz | bintut: you may just want to use lenny if its that big of a deal |
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| 04:48.22 | wols | kingsley: it's your RAM |
| 04:48.26 | scrillaz | will do it by next week |
| 04:50.20 | itchi | scrillaz: Testing is not recomended as 'server' usage or if any stuff on the comp is realy important and the stuff need to be stable as rock |
| 04:50.20 | nvz | bintut: its far easier to keep a testing or unstable system running than a mixed one unless you're really experienced |
| 04:50.20 | bintut | nvz: i want to use etch but one package with several dependencies i need are on the lenny |
| 04:50.20 | Master_Medic | Regnad, doesnt seem that far out to m |
| 04:50.20 | Master_Medic | e |
| 04:50.21 | bintut | nvz: yeah, you're right.. |
| 04:50.21 | scrillaz | ok. but i need for my apps to be upgraded regularly |
| 04:50.21 | wols | scrillaz: why? |
| 04:50.21 | itchi | scrillaz: At this stage maybe, you can go back from 'testing' to 'stable', but later, there whould be no way. Don't forget it |
| 04:50.22 | nvz | bintut: you not only have to consider the depends of a package but what all those depend on down the line. once you are dependant on libc6 for example from a branch you might as well be running that branch or you will suffer |
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| 04:50.38 | scrillaz | k. i used etch testing for a long time and it was fun |
| 04:50.39 | wols | bintut: have you thought about doing a simple backport? |
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| 04:51.13 | bintut | wols: nope. i found it harder |
| 04:51.38 | itchi | scrillaz: I may say; if it's not your main computer, ie your laptop, go your way and experiment. And btw fix bugs |
| 04:52.31 | scrillaz | k. itchi i understand |
| 04:52.53 | scrillaz | what changes would i have to make to my sources list? |
| 04:53.11 | itchi | scrillaz: There's a factoid in the dpkg about it |
| 04:53.28 | nvz | bintut: some things hurt a lot real quick and some don't hurt at first but the pain comes later and drags on ;) |
| 04:53.39 | scrillaz | k |
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| 04:53.47 | itchi | scrillaz: I let you search a bit :-p |
| 04:53.56 | scrillaz | ok |
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| 04:54.26 | bintut | nvz: :) |
| 04:55.05 | bintut | anyway, i have to go.. |
| 04:55.10 | bintut | thank you for the advices.. :) |
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| 04:56.27 | hark | itchi: did you get the radeon driver working then? |
| 04:56.38 | threat | what is with the fetchmail package? I updated to it now it prompts me for a password (su) |
| 04:57.01 | threat | would this be a fetchmail issue or a pam issue? |
| 04:57.15 | karrotx | what are some questions you think you'd get ask if you went in to do a interview for a linux sys admin job |
| 04:57.38 | itchi | hark: It's a new install right now, cause the hdd have died, but i use the ati now and have dri i see :-) |
| 04:57.54 | threat | karrotx, umm, the definition of RTFM? |
| 04:57.58 | karrotx | haha |
| 04:58.00 | itchi | hark: I not see the radeon in the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:58.16 | karrotx | i've got a interview/lunch thing tomorrow |
| 04:58.22 | karrotx | i'm wondering what i should be prepared with |
| 04:58.31 | itchi | hark: The free ati i guess, not that one of the ati website heh |
| 04:59.01 | bloodskin | karrotx: take a fly swatter |
| 04:59.08 | itchi | hark: That's what the autodection have set too |
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| 04:59.13 | hark | itchi: yeah, if you choose ati,it will automatically select the correct driver. It's just a wrappper driver |
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| 04:59.35 | itchi | hark: Well it work well :-) |
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| 04:59.38 | karrotx | BloodSkin: heh |
| 05:00.10 | itchi | hark: 4528 frames in 5.0 seconds = 905.489 FPS |
| 05:00.10 | hark | itchi: then you have composite support now ;) |
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| 05:00.33 | itchi | hark: Euhm, what's that? |
| 05:01.02 | threat | karrotx, well you know much about the company? |
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| 05:01.19 | karrotx | not that much, they're a webserver hoster |
| 05:01.25 | hark | itchi: for AIGLX, with compiz/beryl stuff |
| 05:01.34 | threat | ok, they use debian obviously ? |
| 05:01.36 | karrotx | they're small and use a co-lo, and have some backup server in indiana |
| 05:01.44 | karrotx | threat: i'm hoping so :) |
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| 05:02.19 | itchi | hark: Hmm, cool. So i may able to use beryl? That not worked with the fglrx |
| 05:02.52 | threat | ok :) well I guess they will ask you questions based on the job add, did you write a cover letter when applying for the job? |
| 05:03.07 | karrotx | threat: nope, i was given the company name from a person coming to paint my house |
| 05:03.13 | karrotx | then i called him up and asked if he needed any help |
| 05:03.16 | threat | oh, hehe |
| 05:03.22 | karrotx | i sent him my resume and he said come for an interview, heh |
| 05:03.25 | threat | that small ay |
| 05:03.30 | hark | the fglrx driver is much better if you play 3d games, but with the radeon one, you get other advantages |
| 05:03.37 | karrotx | well, they make enough $$, but they're small |
| 05:03.57 | karrotx | oh sweet, it's centos |
| 05:03.58 | karrotx | haha |
| 05:04.08 | hark | itchi: yes, and also other window managers which support it.. like XFCE, KDE etc |
| 05:04.18 | Master_Medic | what is the name of the package that prompts you for a login name and lets you pick the windows manager when you boot up? |
| 05:04.30 | threat | karrotx, sounds good :) gl, hopefully they are running debian. heh, you never know, it could be a IIS setup :S |
| 05:04.30 | hark | !dm |
| 05:04.30 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 05:04.39 | Master_Medic | ah cool |
| 05:05.02 | karrotx | threat: i just found out their main website is CentOS, which is running apache 2.0.52; which i can completely deal with |
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| 05:05.14 | karrotx | i'm just glad it's not rel or fedora |
| 05:05.16 | karrotx | hehe |
| 05:05.17 | Amarande | hey, does 2.6 support nForce4 onboard sound at all? |
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| 05:05.24 | threat | karrotx, yay |
| 05:05.26 | hark | itchi: what wm are you running now? |
| 05:05.26 | Amarande | i.e., with free drivers |
| 05:05.31 | itchi | hark: fluxbox |
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| 05:06.17 | itchi | hark: Yeah, it not work with fluxbox :)s |
| 05:06.32 | Regnad | !nodm |
| 05:06.32 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 05:06.49 | hark | itchi: well, you can use things like xcompmgr and transset |
| 05:06.59 | dasunt | I have an old laptop with sarge I'm unwilling to upgrade. 2.4 kernel. |
| 05:07.14 | dasunt | Can anyone recommend a good wireless pcmcia/usb nic for it? |
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| 05:07.18 | itchi | hark: But some time i use xfce, it's more if it's my wife that is on my main comp |
| 05:08.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I see a list of Freenode network admins? |
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| 05:08.57 | hark | itchi: with XFCE you can get all the transparency etc there's and option in the Preferences, and performance is quite good |
| 05:10.03 | hark | xcompmgr for some reason is much slower |
| 05:11.15 | hark | But with all of them, there is always an annoying delay either with switching desktops or restoring apps etc. Fun for a little while, but annoying! |
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| 05:12.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 05:13.10 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:13.10 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 05:13.16 | itchi | hark: She like XFCE, she will be find that nice if i config beryl on that box |
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| 05:14.34 | nomasteryoda|w | beryl works on xfce? |
| 05:15.07 | itchi | hark: Cool beryl is running in Gnome right now :-) |
| 05:15.22 | hark | could.. in place of xfwm4 |
| 05:15.26 | itchi | hark: Heh, how come that i have gnome, wtf |
| 05:15.38 | nomasteryoda|w | lol |
| 05:15.41 | itchi | hhhm, gdm have installed gnome |
| 05:15.47 | hark | heh |
| 05:16.06 | itchi | It's a brand new install |
| 05:16.26 | hark | gdm won't pull in Gnome though |
| 05:17.28 | hark | ok, it might |
| 05:18.32 | hark | but a very minimal one |
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| 05:18.56 | hark | itchi: so, how's the performance? |
| 05:19.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Bhaal: Are you around? |
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| 05:20.09 | itchi | hark: It more as acceptable right now |
| 05:20.18 | itchi | hark: But not yet have played a game too |
| 05:20.54 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: /who freenode/staff/* |
| 05:21.01 | itchi | hark: I dunno how much fps that fglrx give |
| 05:21.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Ok |
| 05:21.19 | hark | or /stats p |
| 05:21.25 | hark | i think :) |
| 05:21.35 | itchi | hark: Wait, i gona install fgfs :-p |
| 05:21.47 | hark | haha |
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| 05:23.28 | itchi | hark: Heh, but cool that the ati work out of the box |
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| 05:26.56 | itchi | hark: Do you imagine playing FGFS with a HHKB :-p |
| 05:27.45 | itchi | hark: 203kB/s 8m51s :-s |
| 05:28.55 | itchi | People even tryed FGFS? Kinda nice |
| 05:29.10 | hark | what's HHKB? happy hacking key board? |
| 05:29.17 | itchi | hark: yup |
| 05:29.50 | itchi | hark: I just like it, cause it's extremely small. And like i have less space |
| 05:30.12 | cafuego | and no capsock key, and ctrl in a useful location |
| 05:30.18 | itchi | But honnesty that's not like a cherry |
| 05:30.31 | itchi | cafuego: Sure there is |
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| 05:30.52 | itchi | cafuego: There are diff models, that 'Pro' is ways to crazy, but that 'Lite' is ideal |
| 05:30.57 | cafuego | itchi: Fn TAB sure, but you don't tend to hit that by accident |
| 05:31.11 | HSorgYves | are there localized versions of Debian? |
| 05:31.17 | cafuego | itchi: yah, i have a lite (usb) |
| 05:31.33 | itchi | cafuego: Me too, a black. I not like that 'Pro' |
| 05:31.35 | cafuego | HSorgYves: The installer asks for a lanuage on the first screen. |
| 05:31.45 | nvz | HSorgYves: the very first question is the language IIRC |
| 05:31.54 | itchi | But honnesty, there are much better keyboards |
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| 05:32.12 | cafuego | Sure, but they're not as portable. |
| 05:32.37 | HSorgYves | nvz/cafuego: thx; may i install a multi-language version? |
| 05:32.41 | itchi | cafuego: Right |
| 05:32.59 | dfrey | Does anyone know of a workaround for the broken fglrx driver? |
| 05:33.01 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Any user can set their own LOCALE and LANG in their environment |
| 05:33.15 | Guerin | dfrey: don't use it -> solved |
| 05:33.16 | cafuego | dfrey: Buy a card ffrom a different manufacturer. |
| 05:33.25 | itchi | dfrey: use that 'ati' one ? |
| 05:33.36 | dfrey | cafuego, Guerin: thanks, for your input |
| 05:33.37 | HSorgYves | cafuego: and they are valid for the GUI as well i suppose... |
| 05:33.45 | Guerin | nobody ever regretted buyiong quality hardware |
| 05:33.58 | cafuego | HSorgYves: Yup; just in case of openoffice you'll need to install extra dictionary packages. |
| 05:34.02 | hark | dfrey: you can downgrade xorg.. i think that's what some have done here |
| 05:34.11 | dfrey | Guerin: what would you suggest as an alternative? |
| 05:34.17 | cafuego | Guerin: I did, when i backed it into a pole ;-) |
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| 05:35.41 | Guerin | dfrey: i don't know your requirements. |
| 05:35.41 | itchi | Anyway the way of using a HHKB is very nice, 'these buttons are place on the good place'. heh |
| 05:36.04 | Guerin | what I do know is that your requirements are probably more mutable than proprietary drivers in free software |
| 05:36.24 | stoned | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=450467&in_page_id=1965 |
| 05:36.39 | stoned | this is cool |
| 05:37.10 | Guerin | tuesday wants its news back |
| 05:37.20 | dfrey | itchi: Thanks, that will be good enough for now. |
| 05:37.32 | hark | heh |
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| 05:39.01 | Master_Medic | once i have installed the driver with ndiswrapper -i how do i use the device? |
| 05:39.22 | cafuego | modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 05:39.25 | Guerin | Master_Medic: using ifconfig, iwconfig and friends |
| 05:39.34 | cafuego | Note, you may experience crashing, locking and lack of support. |
| 05:39.44 | Guerin | and people pointing and laughing |
| 05:39.55 | Master_Medic | :/ |
| 05:40.02 | Master_Medic | nodprobe ndiswrapper doesnt work |
| 05:40.21 | Guerin | Master_Medic: perhaps you should offer it use of a company car |
| 05:41.34 | Master_Medic | no seriously.. |
| 05:42.11 | Master_Medic | where do i go from here? |
| 05:42.16 | Master_Medic | how do i add with iwconfig? and friends |
| 05:42.17 | cafuego | Master_Medic: How do you expect us to help "doesn't work" without any other info? |
| 05:42.37 | Master_Medic | no i mean after i do ndiswrapper -i file.inf how do i set up the device |
| 05:42.40 | Guerin | Master_Medic: man iwconfig is a good start |
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| 05:44.06 | Master_Medic | are there any guis for this? |
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| 05:44.46 | Guerin | Master_Medic: bound to be all manner of broken configurators |
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| 05:50.45 | itchi | When i start fgfs i get the follow message Try R300_SPAN_DISABLE_LOCKING env var if this hangs. What should i need to do? |
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| 05:51.07 | piztek | APIC or PIC? |
| 05:51.16 | piztek | which do i want to be using? |
| 05:51.29 | itchi | piztek: Dunno, how can i see that? |
| 05:51.37 | piztek | what do you mean? |
| 05:51.54 | itchi | piztek: You ask me about APIC or PIC |
| 05:52.00 | bloodskin | no |
| 05:52.01 | piztek | I mean, how am I supposed to know? |
| 05:52.06 | bloodskin | ypou both are asking for help |
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| 05:52.11 | cafuego | piztek: pick one at random |
| 05:52.28 | piztek | pick one at random? |
| 05:52.32 | piztek | as in it doesn't matter |
| 05:52.37 | itchi | piztek: Oh, i missed a line :-p |
| 05:52.42 | cafuego | itchi: export R300_SPAN_DISABLE_LOCKING=1; fsgs |
| 05:52.42 | bloodskin | as in experiment |
| 05:52.55 | piztek | is one more developed under linux? |
| 05:53.12 | itchi | cafuego: sh*t, have tried with true and false heh |
| 05:53.30 | piztek | yes/no? |
| 05:53.36 | cafuego | itchi: Incidentally, you have a r300 gfx card? |
| 05:53.58 | itchi | cafuego: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] |
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| 05:55.14 | cafuego | ie: yes :-) |
| 05:55.59 | itchi | hmm, the fgfs game goes very slow 1fps :-( |
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| 05:57.12 | itchi | But it get this in the console http://pastebin.ca/460660 |
| 05:57.16 | hark | itchi: when you start it from the terminal, do you see any messaged releated to Software Fallback etc? |
| 05:57.22 | tabris|away | fiding ot if you have APIC or not is pretty trivial: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 05:57.39 | itchi | hark: Yeah :-( there's Software fallback:ctx->Line.SmoothFlag |
| 05:57.49 | insta | is there a way to make X/KDM behave more like Windows terminal services -- but with VNC instead of RDP or XDMCP? |
| 05:58.30 | tabris|away | insta: you'll need to explain your question better. |
| 05:58.36 | itchi | This first error is not important about that /home/david/.fgfs/autosave.xml |
| 05:58.42 | cafuego | itchi: Look, Cessnas just aren't that fast ;-) |
| 05:58.56 | tabris|away | insta: por ejemplo, I have made KDM work with VNC before. it's not that hard. what i never did figure out was how to share a random X session over VNC. |
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| 05:59.37 | Ultra5pam | hi debians |
| 05:59.37 | insta | tabris|away: typically, VNC is started after logging in so one can share a desktop or log into it later. I want VNC to listen for arbitrary connection requests, spawn a new X server and start a session when connected to |
| 05:59.41 | hark | itchi: you could install driconf and set Disable Low Impact Fallback to yes and then try |
| 05:59.51 | Ultra5pam | anybody into redhat in here? |
| 06:00.10 | tabris|away | insta: doable. |
| 06:00.14 | Amarande | hmm, anyone know where I can buy slot covers? |
| 06:00.14 | tabris|away | insta: esp as I have done it. |
| 06:00.21 | Amarande | I just had to rid myself of a dead sound card |
| 06:00.25 | Amarande | and I don't know where my slot covers are |
| 06:00.50 | piztek | so apic and pic there is no difference? |
| 06:01.06 | itchi | hark: Gone take a look, i not know that tool |
| 06:01.11 | tabris|away | insta: a) you need to enable XDMCP in KDM b) you need to tell Xvnc to use it. |
| 06:01.23 | tabris|away | insta: mind you, I don't have a friendly HOWTO and it's been a while since I did it. |
| 06:01.26 | yi | hello, does anyone know of a way to limit the memory usage of a running process in linux? |
| 06:01.27 | Ultra5pam | why not simply init 6 and boot into windows? |
| 06:01.49 | tabris|away | Ultra5pam: this is a debian channel... so i'm not sure what you're trying to ask. |
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| 06:02.11 | Ultra5pam | i am trying to move you guys to better things |
| 06:02.18 | Ultra5pam | suse, redhat, microsoft, etc. |
| 06:02.41 | tabris|away | Ultra5pam: quit the trolling. |
| 06:03.01 | Ultra5pam | huh, you don't get fine difference between trolling and spamming |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | !aolify Ultra5pam |
| 06:03.09 | Ultra5pam | let me show you |
| 06:03.14 | Guerin | !ops Ultra5pam |
| 06:03.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: Ultra5pam |
| 06:03.28 | Ultra5pam | Developers take the open source Linux kernel and adapt and improve it to fit certain needs. The code they write is open, so more programmers can make further adaptations and improvements. When a problem is found, an entire community of users can come together to find a solution. The whole development process is said by some to work at a faster pace and at a lower cost than that of a... |
| 06:03.29 | Ultra5pam | Red Hat sponsors Mugshot, an open project that is creating "a live social experience" based around entertainment. It refocuses technological thinking from objects (files, folders, etc) to activities, like web browsing or music sharing. These topics are the focus of the first two features in Mugshot, Web Swarm and Music Radar. These were already underway when the project was announced at the... |
| 06:03.31 | Ultra5pam | Red Hat Magazine is the online news publication produced by Red Hat. It brings together issues of interest from inside and outside of the company, focusing on in-depth discussion of the development and application of open source technologies. It covers news from Red Hat and the Fedora Project, it updates readers on public licensing and the Creative Commons, and it features interviews with... |
| 06:03.34 | Ultra5pam | Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT) is one of the largest and most recognized companies dedicated to open source software. It is also the largest distributor of the GNU/Linux operating system[citation needed]. Red Hat was founded in 1993 and has its corporate headquarters in Raleigh, North Carolina with satellite offices worldwide. [1] |
| 06:03.38 | Ultra5pam | The company is best known for its enterprise-class operating system, Red Hat Enterprise Linux and more recently through the acquisition of open source enterprise middleware vendor JBoss. Red Hat provides operating system platforms along with middleware, applications, and management solutions, as well as support, training, and consulting services. |
| 06:03.41 | insta | Ultra5pam: are you drunk, high, or just stupid? |
| 06:03.42 | Ultra5pam | Contents |
| 06:03.44 | Ultra5pam | [hide] |
| 06:03.46 | Ultra5pam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:03.54 | tabris|away | Ultra5pam: the flood is spam. the crap about MS, SuSE, and RedHate, in a debian channel, qualifies as trolling |
| 06:03.56 | Ultra5pam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:04.34 | nvz | heh that will teach you to use firefox to be a troll |
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| 06:04.37 | nvz | dumb ass |
| 06:04.45 | Guerin | !ops Ultra5pam |
| 06:04.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: Ultra5pam |
| 06:04.47 | Ultra5pam | why is it not iandeb? |
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| 06:04.58 | Ultra5pam | why was it female first? |
| 06:04.58 | nvz | debhelper needs to be slapped |
| 06:05.03 | Ultra5pam | she knows no sh** |
| 06:05.16 | insta | /ignore Ultra5pam |
| 06:05.19 | nvz | Ladies always come first |
| 06:05.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:05.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@63-224-188-239.desm.qwest.net] by peterS |
| 06:05.27 | *** kick/#debian [Ultra5pam!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-213-133.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (dude.) |
| 06:05.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:05.41 | Guerin | !beer peterS |
| 06:05.55 | insta | ty peterS |
| 06:06.01 | itchi | hark: Once i changed it with driconf, should i restart X? |
| 06:06.19 | hark | itchi: i don't think so. just try |
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| 06:06.49 | itchi | hark: cause i have the same message |
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| 06:07.07 | peterS | w.t.f. just scrolled back a bit to see where ultra5pam came from. who has that kind of time to waste, seriously? |
| 06:07.41 | Guerin | peterS: wonder not at the ways of fuckwits |
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| 06:07.47 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:07.51 | nvz | Spaten Optimator sounds like some futuristic space optimizing device that can contain large objects in compressed space |
| 06:07.52 | krazykit | Guerin, sage advice, to be sure |
| 06:07.55 | Guerin | speaking of which |
| 06:08.12 | x_link | Good morning everybody!! =) |
| 06:08.12 | Guerin | i have to go and meet eejits at aforementioned tex-mex bar |
| 06:08.16 | x_link | WHat a nice weather we have here today =) |
| 06:08.24 | hark | itchi: hmm, I'll try to install it on my laptop later, see if i have the same problem |
| 06:08.26 | peterS | not a cloud in the channel |
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| 06:09.03 | itchi | hark: I have restart x, but he then ask again to set that env var |
| 06:09.08 | insta | Anyone know where KDE's XDMCP-able config file is on lenny? all the guides I'm finding say /etc/X11/kdm/ ... |
| 06:09.14 | x_link | I just want to ask you guys if the 2.6.20 kernel is still under developtment? |
| 06:09.37 | Amarande | x_link, the kernel is always under development |
| 06:09.40 | Guerin | x_link: what part of `2.6.21 just got released' is unclear? |
| 06:09.50 | x_link | Sorry |
| 06:10.09 | x_link | I just hear a guy talking about 2.6.20 |
| 06:10.18 | Amarande | x_link, the newest kernel isn't always the best idea |
| 06:10.26 | x_link | I'm using 2.6.18-4-k7 and just wanted to ask if I still should use that or upgrade? |
| 06:10.27 | cafuego | Quite often it's not. |
| 06:10.28 | Amarande | at least, not until the 2.7 branch gets underway and you can count on a given 2.6 being stable |
| 06:10.32 | x_link | Amarande: Okej. |
| 06:10.35 | insta | n/m, grep was my friend |
| 06:10.40 | bloodskin | !paste |
| 06:10.40 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 06:10.46 | hark | !dbugs 413054 |
| 06:10.49 | peterS | x_link: if it ain't broke.. |
| 06:10.50 | dpkg | #413054:W[libgl1-mesa-dri] [r300] Software Fallback with ctx->Line.SmoothFlag; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:15:01 UTC |
| 06:10.52 | cafuego | x_link: 2.6.18-4-k7 is suported by the debian guys, they'll release updates as needed. |
| 06:10.53 | hark | itchi: ^ |
| 06:11.01 | Amarande | say, will the next stable kernel set be 2.8, or 3.0? |
| 06:11.11 | cafuego | Amarande: yes |
| 06:11.11 | itchi | yup |
| 06:11.18 | x_link | cafuego: Okej, that's the one that I use. |
| 06:11.46 | peterS | Amarande: probably not, probably 2.6.20 |
| 06:11.49 | x_link | I'm just wondering why KDE 3.5.6 is not in the new testing. Since Testing has newer versions I though 3.5.6 would be there. |
| 06:12.01 | Guerin | x_link: give it time |
| 06:12.05 | x_link | Okej. |
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| 06:12.14 | x_link | THanks for the help guys! |
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| 06:12.43 | x_link | I have always been using Debian Etch, but I changed to Testin now when it got out cause I want newer versions of programs etc. |
| 06:12.46 | wols | Amarande: kernel versioning has changed. even kernel versions are NOT stable anymore |
| 06:12.58 | Amarande | ahh, there is not going to be a 2.7, then? |
| 06:12.59 | bloodskin | how do i fix http://paste.debian.net/26631 |
| 06:13.00 | x_link | I have been using Debian for ~10 months now, and I really love it. |
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| 06:13.14 | peterS | Amarande: I haven't heard of any plans for a 2.7 |
| 06:13.15 | bloodskin | i checked the sources.list file |
| 06:13.36 | wols | Amarande: I there will be a 2.6 or .27 or 3.0. I just said that 2.6 or any other futre kernel will not be guaranteed stable |
| 06:13.48 | cafuego | apt-get install update? wtf? |
| 06:13.48 | wols | according to kernel devs, the distros have to make it stable |
| 06:13.52 | what_if | when using debian installer and entering my hostname, it shows up as X.Y.com and X.Y.com.Y.com how do I keep it from doing this ? |
| 06:13.53 | peterS | Amarande: last I heard it was "maybe someday some really really complicated feature will come along which requires opening a 2.7 branch because it can't possibly go into 2.6. but so far...." |
| 06:13.56 | muhoo | if i were looking for a well-designed debian lib package, to use as a reference for making my own package (debian/rules, debian/control, etc), which should i use? |
| 06:14.08 | cafuego | bloodskin: 'apt-get update' |
| 06:14.19 | bloodskin | thats what i did to get that error |
| 06:14.25 | wols | borg170: no you did not |
| 06:14.28 | cafuego | bloodskin: No, it's not. |
| 06:14.35 | wols | apt-get INSTALL update != apt-get update |
| 06:14.37 | muhoo | one that just uses debhelper, not any wacky cdbs sgit |
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| 06:14.41 | cafuego | muhoo: something tiny, like say regex |
| 06:14.48 | muhoo | cafuego: thanks |
| 06:14.54 | bloodskin | oops |
| 06:14.56 | peterS | what_if: when you type the hostname just type X rather than X.Y.com |
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| 06:15.37 | x_link | How often should I run --> sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 06:15.37 | muhoo | libtre4 |
| 06:15.50 | x_link | I run it everyday, is that a bad thing? |
| 06:15.56 | rares000 | can you use mod_vhost with /home/u/username/domains/domain/public_html? |
| 06:15.58 | x_link | To run it to often. |
| 06:16.09 | cafuego | muhoo: Yeah, why not.. have a look anyway. |
| 06:16.16 | bloodskin | what are your thoughts on this one then p://paste.debian.net/26633 |
| 06:16.22 | peterS | x_link: if you run unstable, your system will break occasionally. is that a bad thing? you decide. |
| 06:16.41 | what_if | peterS: then set the dnsdomainname later ?? |
| 06:16.42 | x_link | peterS: I use Debian Testing |
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| 06:16.53 | cafuego | rares000: maybe; do you host http://domain.com as well as http://www.domain.com/ ? |
| 06:16.53 | x_link | peterS: I don't know what "occasionally" means. |
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| 06:16.59 | insta | x_link: it's usually fine if you're running testing. do not set a cronjob for 4:30am to dist-upgrade unstable. plzkthx don't ask how I know that. |
| 06:17.03 | Ahmadinejad | Hi |
| 06:17.11 | peterS | hmmmm. It is dark in #debian. you may be eaten by grew. |
| 06:17.13 | cafuego | rares000: If not, it's far easier. |
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| 06:17.24 | Ahmadinejad | How do i check whether a package is insatlled or not? |
| 06:17.30 | Ahmadinejad | *installed |
| 06:17.31 | grew | is there any way to tell apt to uninstall all packages that no longer have an origin? for example if i remove a repository from my sources.list |
| 06:17.34 | peterS | what_if: sure |
| 06:17.35 | insta | dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename |
| 06:17.37 | x_link | insta: Okej. |
| 06:17.58 | what_if | peterS: at the risk of being n00b, what file is that in ? |
| 06:17.59 | x_link | But I didn't understand "do not set a cronjob for 4:30am to dist-upgrade unstable. |
| 06:18.03 | x_link | But it's fine =) |
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| 06:18.10 | bloodskin | cafuego: what are your thoughts on p://paste.debian.net/26633 |
| 06:18.11 | muhoo | is it necessary to make a lib package conflict with itself >> someversion, or make it replace itself << someversion? |
| 06:18.12 | x_link | Now I have to go and take the train. |
| 06:18.17 | x_link | Thanks for the help guys and bye! |
| 06:18.18 | peterS | what_if: you can manually add the FQDN to /etc/hosts after install |
| 06:18.22 | muhoo | seems like unnecessary ugliness |
| 06:18.37 | Ahmadinejad | vd |
| 06:18.39 | Ahmadinejad | ups |
| 06:18.43 | muhoo | i mean, won't debian take care of making sure a package replaces the same package? |
| 06:18.46 | Ahmadinejad | How do i check whether a package is installed or not? |
| 06:18.50 | cafuego | bloodskin: My thoughts are you're trying to use an Ubuntu dapper source. |
| 06:18.57 | what_if | peterS: ok, sounds good, thank you :) |
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| 06:18.57 | cafuego | bloodskin: Whihc is Not Clever[tm] |
| 06:19.03 | bloodskin | i know |
| 06:19.13 | bloodskin | the thing is, i was trying to install wine |
| 06:19.14 | peterS | muhoo: if a package name doesn't change, it will automatically replace itself, yes. unlike RPM, you can't install multiple versions of a single debian package name |
| 06:19.16 | insta | tabris|away: you there? |
| 06:19.38 | bloodskin | and they kept swearing that i had to use the ubuntu version, so i finally gave in and tried it |
| 06:19.39 | tabris|away | insta: i've been... elsewhere. |
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| 06:19.48 | Ahmadinejad | How do i check whether a package is installed or not? |
| 06:19.48 | bloodskin | only to get that |
| 06:19.54 | insta | Ahmadinejad: As I posted before, from the command line, run "dpkg --get-selections | grep packagename" |
| 06:20.05 | insta | Ahmadinejad: we all heard you, stop asking |
| 06:20.10 | Ahmadinejad | Thanks... |
| 06:20.15 | insta | tabris|away: Are you ... back? :p |
| 06:20.17 | peterS | muhoo: instead of being able to install multiple versions of a single package name, we change the package name when it's necessary to install multiple versions. so for example libgtk1.2 and libgtk2.0-0 |
| 06:20.21 | cafuego | Ahmadinejad: dpkg -l package |
| 06:20.56 | tabris|away | insta: as I said. it can be done. I did it. I haven't done it for a while, and don't remember the HOWTO. |
| 06:21.23 | bloodskin | so how do i fix this mess? |
| 06:21.33 | cafuego | Remove the ubuntu source |
| 06:21.43 | bloodskin | HOW though |
| 06:21.52 | tabris|away | insta: put this into google, and take the second result: kdm vnc xdmcp howto |
| 06:21.55 | bloodskin | this is only my second light running any type of linux |
| 06:22.07 | tabris|away | insta: it's for gentoo, but it _should_ have what you need, assuming you can get past any gentoo-isms. |
| 06:22.20 | insta | I think we're at the same tutorial |
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| 06:22.42 | insta | I can get past gentooisms (I ran it for awhile), but after getting it configured I can't get the VNC client to connect :/ |
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| 06:22.50 | what_if | peterS: is it wrong to put the fqdn into the hostname, it must auto install to /etc/hosts and lookup to 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:23.00 | tabris|away | insta: and just remember, most VNC servers don't have encryption. so you should be using an ssh tunnel, and NOT make the VNC port available on the public internet. |
| 06:23.19 | tabris|away | insta: remember to do hostname::port |
| 06:23.22 | what_if | peterS: I may have to deal with the double Y.com , which is at most, annoying |
| 06:23.26 | Ahmadinejad | Thanks cafuego |
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| 06:23.39 | tabris|away | insta: also, make sure that the VNC server is actually accepting connections. use telnet or netcat. |
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| 06:24.07 | itchi | hark: With that driconf tool, set that Disable Low-imact fallback yes there not solve the trouble here. fgfs still complain |
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| 06:24.30 | muhoo | peterS: ah, thanks. so i do need to list all the previous package names, since this particular lib can't co-exist with previous versions |
| 06:24.32 | peterS | what_if: the right thing to do with a hostname and FQDN is not obvious - depends on whether you have a static IP or not. if you have a static IP, the hostname can be given that IP in /etc/hosts - if not, it's not worth trying to keep /etc/hosts updated with your current public IP, so the usual solution is to give your hostname (and FQDN) some unique IP in the loopback subnet, like 127.0.0.2 |
| 06:24.52 | bloodskin | how do i remove the ubuntu source |
| 06:25.09 | cat | bloodskin: remove the source list from ubuntu |
| 06:25.14 | cat | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:25.16 | insta | heh |
| 06:25.23 | bloodskin | :/ |
| 06:25.27 | what_if | peterS: I'm setting up a jabber server so fqdn must lookup to 127.0.0.1, and a dynamic IP |
| 06:25.36 | insta | bloodskin: #ubuntu |
| 06:25.38 | bloodskin | i have that set to all debian defaults |
| 06:25.43 | peterS | muhoo: if you're building a library package, you are expected to allow it to coexist with previous versions. at least, if you want Debian maintainers to have any respect for your work. (: in Debian we expect that old binaries will continue to run after you've installed a new library version. that means not removing the old library version if it provides a different ABI |
| 06:25.58 | bloodskin | insdta: no |
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| 06:26.16 | peterS | what_if: overloading 127.0.0.1 to both localhost and FQDN is generally considered unwise - hence the idea of using 127.0.0.2 or some such, which is just as valid |
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| 06:26.42 | peterS | muhoo: ...and this is why we rename library packages when their ABI changes |
| 06:26.46 | what_if | peterS: I see, thank you :) |
| 06:26.50 | holden | the 24-04-07 lenny netinst CD doesn't recognize my motherboard's ethernet card |
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| 06:27.10 | holden | It's recognized fine by a etch netinst cd though |
| 06:27.18 | holden | (etch RC1 to be precise) |
| 06:27.24 | holden | It's a 3com |
| 06:27.27 | grew | wtf |
| 06:27.36 | grew | the beryl install guide for unstable makes no sense whatsoever |
| 06:27.46 | wols | holden: then install etch |
| 06:27.47 | peterS | muhoo: if there's a filename overlap between old library package and new library package, that's a problem and we try to avoid that situation - generally by splitting everything that isn't a library into some non-library package. so for example the 'openssl' package contains /usr/bin/openssl and the 'libssl0.9.8' package contains the actual openssl libraries |
| 06:27.48 | grew | its not in the unstable repository |
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| 06:27.58 | wols | !beryl |
| 06:27.58 | dpkg | i guess beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 06:28.09 | Chty | hello |
| 06:28.17 | grew | yea, it just says: As of January 11th, 2007 beryl has been submitted for upload to Debian unstable. This will take a week to appear on the mirrors and will contain the beryl 0.1.4 release ONLY. |
| 06:28.20 | wols | grew: beryl-project.org has debs |
| 06:28.20 | peterS | muhoo: that way, you can have both libssl0.9.7 and libssl0.9.8 installed on your system, since they don't both provide the /usr/bin/openssl program - that's provided in a separate binary package |
| 06:28.27 | grew | yet apt-cache search beryl has nothing |
| 06:28.36 | Chty | Someone can use cherokee webserver ? |
| 06:28.38 | bloodskin | http://paste.debian.net/26634 theres my sources.list file |
| 06:28.40 | grew | and the only repo it lists is for etch |
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| 06:28.48 | wols | !telly Chty about anyone |
| 06:28.48 | holden | grr |
| 06:28.49 | bloodskin | ive told you its set to the default |
| 06:28.49 | rares000 | I use www. but I can always just alias that the question is how does mod_vhost know that domain belongs to /home/u/user |
| 06:28.56 | holden | did anyone say anything about my 3com problem? |
| 06:28.58 | insta | tabris|away: dammit I'm halfway tempted to just install gentoo so I can use the tutorial to the line ... |
| 06:29.04 | grew | i guess i can use the debian unstable based repo |
| 06:29.14 | tabris|away | insta: I have done it before. with debian sarge. and etch. |
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| 06:29.30 | tabris|away | insta: so it can be done. you'll just have to dig out your diagnostics know-how and blow the dust off. |
| 06:29.57 | tabris|away | insta: meanwhile, it's half an hour to zero, local time. and I've been short on sleep. so I really have to hit the sack. |
| 06:30.03 | Chty | I have problem with enable https for cherokee. Someone can help me ? |
| 06:30.12 | insta | Thanks so far tabris |
| 06:30.26 | peterS | Chty: why are you using cherokee instead of wget or snarf or curl? |
| 06:30.48 | Chty | peterS: cherokee is a webserver |
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| 06:30.51 | wols | bloodskin: rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && apt-get update |
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| 06:31.05 | peterS | Chty: oh I thought it was a client ('cget') |
| 06:31.14 | nixbox | apt-get install transcode doesnt give me anything, are there no transcode packages for debian? |
| 06:31.19 | Chty | peterS: arf |
| 06:31.53 | peterS | nixbox: there is iconv, maybe that will do what you want? |
| 06:32.21 | bloodskin | wols: E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 06:32.29 | bloodskin | thats the reult i get |
| 06:32.35 | wols | Chty: I can't find a dependency on any ssl on cherokee. how do you know it can do ssl? |
| 06:32.47 | wols | bloodskin: mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
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| 06:32.56 | wols | then apt-get update again |
| 06:33.00 | holden_ | grr |
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| 06:33.27 | bloodskin | still, the same error |
| 06:33.44 | \amethyst | wols: libcherokee-base0 depends on libgnutls13 |
| 06:33.51 | bloodskin | oh |
| 06:33.55 | Chty | wols: http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/How_to_generate_SSL_keys.html |
| 06:33.55 | bloodskin | apt get |
| 06:34.10 | apt | hmm... get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
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| 06:34.18 | \amethyst | Chty: you haven't said what your problem is yet |
| 06:35.47 | Chty | \amethyst: I have done this: http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/How_to_generate_SSL_keys.html and now I can't start cherokee. server.c:813: Can not init TLS for the default virtual server |
| 06:35.56 | holden_ | Does anyone know why a lenny netinst CD wouldn't recognize a 3com NIC that an etch netinst CD does? |
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| 06:36.20 | wols | holden_: cause lenny is testing and has more bugs? |
| 06:36.36 | wols | holden_: make a bugreport, install frome tch and upgrade to lenny |
| 06:36.51 | holden_ | wols: the etch CD I have is from when it was testing |
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| 06:36.59 | \amethyst | Chty: Did you put a passphrase on it? |
| 06:37.02 | wols | holden_: and? |
| 06:37.03 | pstickne | wtf. it looks like my win32 partition just hosed itself :-/ |
| 06:37.06 | muhoo | peterS: hmm. maybe i should use /etc/alternatives here then |
| 06:37.23 | Chty | \amethyst: yes |
| 06:37.25 | muhoo | peterS: because, there's a daemon that is *very* tightly-coupled to its libs |
| 06:37.37 | holden_ | Well I'll do just that, I'm downloading 4.0rc0 netinst right now |
| 06:37.37 | muhoo | only one version of the binary can be installed at a time |
| 06:37.46 | Chty | \amethyst: in the registration |
| 06:37.49 | wols | Chty: anything else in any logs? |
| 06:38.04 | wols | holden_: why rc0? |
| 06:38.14 | holden_ | r0 |
| 06:38.14 | muhoo | peterS: come to think of it, this is silly |
| 06:38.15 | Chty | wols: no :-( or I d'ont know where |
| 06:38.15 | holden_ | I mean |
| 06:38.17 | peterS | muhoo: do you need to have one daemon on the system for each library version installed, or does a single daemon suffice? |
| 06:38.17 | wols | and what is rc0? I know rc1 and rc2, no rc0 |
| 06:38.18 | wols | ah |
| 06:38.26 | wols | Chty: /var/log |
| 06:38.29 | muhoo | peterS: a single daemon. and it's tightly coupled to its libs |
| 06:38.37 | \amethyst | Chty: And what did you do in the cherokee config? |
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| 06:38.42 | muhoo | i should just name the lib packages then |
| 06:39.09 | muhoo | there's no reason why they can't coexist, if they are all versioned in the debian way |
| 06:39.22 | peterS | muhoo: do you know about library ABIs and SONAMEs? I mean do you understand how they work? |
| 06:39.27 | muhoo | i.e. libfoo-0.001.0, libfoo-0.002.0 |
| 06:39.38 | muhoo | peterS: it's been a while, but at one time i did :-) |
| 06:39.52 | Chty | wols: yes but nothing |
| 06:39.57 | muhoo | upstream may not have it together though. |
| 06:40.02 | Amarande | muhoo, why don't you just compile the daemon statically? |
| 06:40.12 | muhoo | Amarande: because other apps use the lib too |
| 06:40.16 | Chty | \amethyst: I enable ssl |
| 06:40.33 | insta | How do I get the "vnc" module for Xorg on Debian? |
| 06:40.42 | peterS | muhoo: the idea is, if a binary is compiled to use some library, whenever a new version of the library comes out which would require recompiling your binaries, you have to change the SONAME, which is an identifier embedded in the library and is also a filename in /usr/lib (or wherever). whenever you change the SONAME, you change the Debian package name, usually to something which vaguely follows the new SONAME |
| 06:40.46 | insta | Tutorials keep talking about it for other distros |
| 06:41.07 | \amethyst | Chty: you have to tell it to use your certificate somehow |
| 06:41.14 | muhoo | peterS: that is how i remember it, thanks. ok, then the way this has been done is braindead |
| 06:41.22 | wols | insta: vnc module? |
| 06:41.28 | Amarande | pstickne, your win32 partition was hosed when you installed Windows on it ;) |
| 06:41.28 | peterS | muhoo: so libgtk1.2 -> libgtk2.0-0 was a SONAME change, but GTK 2 has remained binary-compatible from 2.0 through 2.10 and beyond, so the package name is still libgtk2.0-0 even though that doesn't seem accurate anymore |
| 06:41.30 | Chty | \amethyst: SSLCertificateFile, SSLCertificateKeyFile |
| 06:41.45 | Chty | \amethyst: to tell what ? |
| 06:41.58 | insta | wols: Yeah, several different tutorials have mentioned adding `Load "vnc"` to xorg.conf |
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| 06:42.03 | wols | insta: it'S not a X module but a normal program usually |
| 06:42.05 | \amethyst | Chty: you set both of those? |
| 06:42.08 | peterS | muhoo: if you follow the simple rule of changing the SONAME every time the library becomes incompatible with existing binaries compiled against previous versions, and renaming the library every time the SONAME changes, you'll do OK |
| 06:42.21 | pstickne | Amarande, nah, it actually doesn't have windows ^^ |
| 06:42.24 | kritical | Does anyone know what it's called when you start an application via ssh that doesn't stop when your connection breaks? |
| 06:42.24 | Chty | \amethyst: yes |
| 06:42.28 | muhoo | peterS: thanks! |
| 06:42.38 | peterS | muhoo: beyond that, you just have to learn the tricks of how to add features and fix problems in a library without requiring a SONAME change. lots of interesting things you can do in that space |
| 06:42.54 | peterS | (since a SONAME change is an annoyance that you try to avoid when possible) |
| 06:43.14 | Chty | \amethyst: for SSLCAListFile I don't know what it is |
| 06:43.15 | muhoo | peterS: ok here is the problem then |
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| 06:43.47 | muhoo | other apps can and should be binary-compatible with all versions of the lib in a SONAME series, i.e. 0.100.0. |
| 06:43.48 | Chty | \amethyst: but I'm very disapointed with so bad logs |
| 06:43.50 | muhoo | but! |
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| 06:44.03 | insta | wols: I know, but it's part of what I'm finding ... based on how I want to use VNC |
| 06:44.06 | muhoo | the daemon is only compatible with the *exact* version of the libs that match it, i.e. 0.101.0 |
| 06:44.23 | wols | insta: care to link. cause I need vnc RSN too |
| 06:44.30 | \amethyst | Chty: hm... it probably needs there to *not* be a passphrase on the SSL certificate key file |
| 06:44.33 | muhoo | so, apps that are ABI compatible with 0.100.0 can work with 0.101.0, 0.102.0, 0.103.0 of the libs |
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| 06:44.56 | muhoo | but the daemon version 0.103.0 can *only* work with 0.103.0 of the libs |
| 06:44.56 | peterS | muhoo: ok so you have your source package 'foo'. when you build it, it produces two binary packages 'libfoo0.100' and 'foo-server'. foo-server specifies "Depends: libfoo0.100 (= ${Source-Version})". other apps can just depend on libfoo0.100. |
| 06:45.13 | jinx099 | How do I use apt to update 1 specific package from testing or sid? |
| 06:45.23 | Chty | \amethyst: What can I try ? |
| 06:45.31 | peterS | muhoo: I say 0.100 because it sounds like your ABI guarantees extend between 0.100.0 and 0.100.999 - correct? - anyway, you name the library in some appropriate way based on that |
| 06:45.45 | insta | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xvnc_terminal_server http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/ |
| 06:45.48 | insta | either of those |
| 06:45.51 | muhoo | peterS: and i name my lib libfoo0.100 regardless if it is 0.103, 0.104, etc, because it's ABI compatible with anything that works with 0.100? |
| 06:45.57 | \amethyst | Chty: I don't know, I don't know cherokee :( |
| 06:46.04 | Chty | \amethyst: arf |
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| 06:46.29 | \amethyst | Chty: I would suggest one of their mailing lists or something |
| 06:46.36 | wols | insta: realvnc has a xorg.so module. but it seems it's non-free |
| 06:47.02 | muhoo | peterS: which is how i end up with characteristically-debian-like names like libfoo0.100_0.103, yes? |
| 06:47.02 | peterS | muhoo: oh, your guarantees actually hold beyond 0.100.999 then? well, pick your own SONAME. a common convention is to call the SONAME libfoo.so.0 and then when an incompatible change happens, libfoo.so.1, and so on, thus not really coupled to the version number at all, directly |
| 06:47.02 | \amethyst | Chty: there are two people in #cherokee, but they might be asleep |
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| 06:47.17 | insta | wols: is it redundant if I'm using tightvnc? |
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| 06:47.37 | peterS | muhoo: so if you go _that_ route, you end up with libfoo1 or libfoo2, representing the SONAME, and the package version number tells us what the true version is |
| 06:47.53 | Chty | \amethyst: the cherokee ML is down :-( |
| 06:48.02 | wols | insta: tightvnc is in debian, but I haven't seen a xorg module for it yet |
| 06:48.05 | wols | xf4vnc is not in debian |
| 06:48.16 | Chty | \amethyst: thanks for your help |
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| 06:48.36 | fitzu | does anyone got a good manual/userguide "using external screen with linux"? |
| 06:48.39 | wols | insta: but thanks for the links |
| 06:48.53 | wols | fitzu: define "external screen" better |
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| 06:49.06 | peterS | muhoo: likewise with the standard C library on Linux, glibc 2.x is named "libc6" because it came after libc5, even though the package version numbers have been 2.0.6 through, nowadays, 2.5.0 |
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| 06:49.26 | peterS | muhoo: (since glibc is backward-compatible all the way back to 2.0.x, the name 'libc6' has not had to change) |
| 06:49.35 | Burn | morning, I just tried an Areca 1120 with the new Debian Etch, the install goes great, but after the first reboot, /dev/sdb can't be found, somebody knows this error? |
| 06:49.38 | fitzu | wols: laptop & dell screen. |
| 06:49.43 | Amarande | peterS, glibc is not backward compatible all the way back to 2.0.x :| |
| 06:49.56 | Amarande | trust me, after all the times I've tried to compile ircd after a new glibc minor came out ... |
| 06:50.05 | peterS | Amarande: well, 2.0 was considered beta, 2.1 was production, so there may be incompatibilities in 2.0 |
| 06:50.16 | peterS | Amarande: I'm talking about binary compatibility, not bug-for-bug source compatibility |
| 06:50.52 | peterS | you can use a binary built with glibc 2.0.6 on a current system. assuming the binary didn't do deliberately unsupported things, like say 'extern int errno;' instead of '#include <errno.h>' |
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| 06:52.52 | muhoo | peterS: Amarande: i get the point. i remember the libc5 -> libc6 clusterfuck very vividly, or at least the pain i suffered back then |
| 06:53.15 | Amarande | lol, I still remember once how I hosed a system trying to manually go to libc6 |
| 06:53.22 | peterS | muhoo: were you using Debian? it wasn't at all painful on Debian, as I recall - you just updated your unstable system every few days and there would be more packages using libc6 and fewer packages using libc5 |
| 06:53.25 | Amarande | I think I did something fun like moving the ld.so |
| 06:53.32 | cafuego | clever |
| 06:53.43 | \amethyst | my first Linux system had a couple of libc4 executables. Not even ELF :) |
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| 06:53.54 | muhoo | peterS: i had a potato box at home, but my work systems were all RH at the time. it was Not Fun. |
| 06:54.09 | muhoo | s/potato/slink/ |
| 06:54.26 | peterS | muhoo: yeah, RH 5.0 was the glibc 2.0 guinea pig - the first major distribution release to dare to move to libc6. I guess they got a certain amount of pain.. |
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| 06:54.42 | peterS | but really, was slink the first debian glibc2 release? I thought hamm was |
| 06:55.27 | muhoo | wasn't using debian in the hamm days. my first debian box was slink, maybe that had already been through the libc6 wringer by then |
| 06:55.39 | muhoo | it was the redhat boxes at work that were the nightmare |
| 06:55.59 | muhoo | anyway, who cares, that's all ancient history |
| 06:56.05 | peterS | yeah I think bo -> hamm was the libc5 -> libc6 transition. rex -> bo was the libc4 -> libc5 (aka a.out -> elf) transition. or perhaps my memory is fuzzy. |
| 06:56.50 | peterS | red hat was never big on upgrades, they seemed to think it was reasonable to ask you to reinstall your system back in those days. I presume they're better now. |
| 06:57.15 | muhoo | last RH box i touched was RH6.1 |
| 06:57.24 | Ama|ZzzZz | RH 5.0 broke the Internet, if I remember |
| 06:57.49 | muhoo | no wait, maybe i installed 7.0 on something, once... |
| 06:58.00 | peterS | Ama|ZzzZz: yeah because they were glibc 2.0.5 or so, which caused all sorts of problems between actual glibc bugs, transition bugs, and application shortcomings where they couldn't compile with the more rationalised world of glibc header files |
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| 06:58.21 | Ama|ZzzZz | peterS: actually I remember there was such a download craze for it that it lagged out the entire net to all hell and I heard some routers even failed from the load |
| 06:58.28 | peterS | oh heh |
| 06:58.29 | muhoo | anyway, my home boxes were a mishmash of debian, rh, freebsd, netbsd, and slowlaris, at one time |
| 06:58.41 | muhoo | then i got fed up with all of them and wiped them out and installed debian |
| 06:58.50 | insta | what's the file in the user's home directory that runs once on X startup? |
| 06:58.54 | maddash | why does ext3 hog so much overhead space? my 49.7GB partition amounted to only 46.01GB usable space, according to df |
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| 06:59.40 | wols | maddash: ext2/2 reserves by default 5% or so for root only |
| 06:59.43 | peterS | muhoo: so do you understand how to set a SONAME in a library? the SONAME will double as the filename in /usr/lib that the runtime linker looks for, so /usr/lib/libfoo.so.1 needs to exist (probably as a symlink) if your SONAME is libfoo.so.1. you set the SONAME at link time with -Wl,-soname=libfoo.so.1 |
| 06:59.52 | wols | maddash: man tune2fs |
| 07:00.12 | peterS | (where "-Wl," tells gcc to pass a flag verbatim to the linker) |
| 07:01.36 | muhoo | peterS: yep, though this uses autotools, |
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| 07:01.58 | peterS | muhoo: that's fine, unless by autotools you are including 'libtool', in which case it has its own way to set a SONAME |
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| 07:02.44 | muhoo | peterS: libtool it is |
| 07:02.49 | peterS | muhoo: you can check a library SONAME with 'objdump -p libfoo.so | grep SONAME'. and you can see what SONAMEs are linked from a binary or library with 'objdump -p foo | grep NEEDED' |
| 07:03.35 | muhoo | libfoo-0.100.0.so.0 |
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| 07:04.06 | peterS | muhoo: I'd go with a simpler soname, since that one will seem inaccurate when libfoo 0.105.3 comes out |
| 07:04.08 | wols | I'm trying to compile something for X, and the howto says "Set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to the location of the X-related .pc (package config) files:" |
| 07:04.08 | maddash | wols: thanks! |
| 07:04.12 | wols | what are those pkgconfig files |
| 07:04.19 | peterS | muhoo: since you said the SONAME won't change between 0.100.0 and 0.105.3 |
| 07:04.28 | muhoo | peterS: no can do, there's a whole buttload of installed packages that depend on that |
| 07:04.35 | muhoo | history |
| 07:04.38 | peterS | muhoo: oh, so you're taking over an existing project. got it. |
| 07:04.50 | peterS | anyway, make sure that's hard-coded somewhere, not tied to the package version |
| 07:05.07 | muhoo | well, what i'm doing, is i got fed up with the existing project, and the way it was packaged, and starting my own package of it from scratch |
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| 07:05.17 | peterS | or you'll get spurious SONAME changes when you update the version string, causing spurious need for library package renames, and recompiling the world |
| 07:05.29 | muhoo | we do not recompile the world |
| 07:05.32 | muhoo | we are not freebsd users |
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| 07:06.07 | peterS | well, I'm saying, if libfoo 0.101.0 gets libfoo0.101.0.so.0 as its SONAME, by accident, then you'll _need_ to recompile the world in order for the world to actually use the updated library |
| 07:06.36 | muhoo | thanks. i don't think that'll happen, but i'll watch out for it |
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| 07:07.21 | peterS | that's the beauty of SONAMEs, you can signal exactly when a library becomes incompatible with old binaries, and the old binaries will not even try to use the new library. but if the SONAME is changed inadvertently, then that advantage becomes a disadvantage |
| 07:07.33 | muhoo | the soname is .23 |
| 07:07.37 | muhoo | which is the protocol version |
| 07:07.46 | peterS | uh you said it is libfoo0.100.0.so.0 |
| 07:07.52 | muhoo | symlink |
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| 07:08.07 | muhoo | the actual library is libfoo-0.100.0.so.0.23 |
| 07:08.13 | muhoo | is this fucked up or what? |
| 07:08.19 | peterS | well, so long as 'objdump -p libfoo0.100.0.so.0 | grep SONAME' reports ... what _does_ it report? |
| 07:08.27 | muhoo | symlink to so.0 |
| 07:08.45 | muhoo | it reports libfoo-0.100.0.so.0 :-) |
| 07:08.45 | peterS | objdump does _not_ report that it is a symlink to anything, you're thinking of ls -l or readlink |
| 07:08.58 | peterS | so libfoo-0.100.0.so.0, this time with - in it, is the actual SONAME |
| 07:09.02 | muhoo | isnt' this fun |
| 07:09.08 | muhoo | yes, that is the actual SONAME |
| 07:09.08 | peterS | but you said the SONAME had a 23 in it |
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| 07:09.26 | muhoo | no, the library file does, not the SONAME, my bad |
| 07:09.42 | muhoo | hmm... now i understand why nobody wants to fix this |
| 07:09.45 | peterS | so now, make sure the build process doesn't try to derive the SONAME from the package version in some way. 'cause if you do, then the SONAME will change much more often than it really should have to, causing that much more pain for everyone. |
| 07:10.04 | muhoo | there was a patch in the previous package, that forces the name |
| 07:10.12 | peterS | since the soname _does_ have the package version in it right now, I'm guessing that's not a coincidence, it really _is_ derived from it at build time |
| 07:10.13 | muhoo | i'll need to use that patch, probably |
| 07:10.15 | peterS | which is bad |
| 07:10.20 | muhoo | yeah |
| 07:10.22 | muhoo | hmm |
| 07:10.35 | muhoo | so, it sounds to me like, the original packager fucked up |
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| 07:10.43 | muhoo | and now, it's been many years, and this history is just stuck |
| 07:10.47 | peterS | you need to keep the soname in a separate location from the version string - separate the two, and let them change independently |
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| 07:10.52 | muhoo | nobody wants to change it because it'd cause lots of breakage |
| 07:11.01 | muhoo | that'd be a lot cleaner |
| 07:11.15 | Dave_is_sexy | can anyone tell me what lines go into sources.list for the 3 DVDs in etch? |
| 07:11.15 | peterS | so the package version changes whenever, whereas the soname only changes when you change something that would require recompiling binaries |
| 07:11.28 | Burn | somebody who uses Debian Etch with an Areca 1www card? |
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| 07:11.39 | tarzeau | Burn: yes we also have areca, why? |
| 07:11.46 | muhoo | interesting. the right thing to do would be to name this libfoo1 |
| 07:11.56 | muhoo | not libfoo0.100.0 |
| 07:11.58 | Burn | tarzeau: when I'm installing Etch, after the first reboot I get busybox |
| 07:12.08 | peterS | muhoo: you mean, change the SONAME _once_ to something that doesn't have the version number in it - recompile the world - then manage the SONAME sanely from here on out? |
| 07:12.09 | Burn | tarzeau: the sdb device won't come up, but is recognized |
| 07:12.29 | muhoo | peterS: that's what i was thinking. would that be the "right" thing to do? |
| 07:12.29 | tarzeau | Burn: do you install expert mode? what size? |
| 07:12.36 | tarzeau | Burn: we were able to install it |
| 07:12.43 | muhoo | not to say that the right thing is even an option, in this case |
| 07:12.46 | Burn | tarzeau: nope, not expert mode, 160GB, it's just a test |
| 07:13.22 | tarzeau | Burn: ok, it worked so far here (4TB), minimal installation (non expert) |
| 07:13.30 | peterS | muhoo: well, if you want minimal disruption, you take the present soname, decouple it from the version string, then _next_ time you make an incompatible change you also change the SONAME, perhaps to something saner. that doesn't cause any pain _right now_ except a bit of pain to you as maintainer. however, if you think it's easier just to make the disruptive change right now ... whatever, that works too |
| 07:13.32 | tarzeau | (6 x 750 GB) |
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| 07:14.10 | muhoo | peterS: good call, thanks. i think it's already decoupled, i just need to keep that convention. 1.0 is coming out soon, that'd be the time to fix this mess then. |
| 07:14.13 | Burn | tarzeau: did you set special options on the controller? I've got 1 x 160GB for testing here on a SuperMicro system |
| 07:14.17 | peterS | muhoo: the important thing is to separate the package version from the soname. making the soname into something that doesn't resemble a package version is less important. |
| 07:14.28 | tarzeau | Burn: raid6 |
| 07:14.29 | peterS | though still nice |
| 07:14.38 | tarzeau | Burn: nothing, standard |
| 07:14.53 | Burn | tarzeau: yes, but that shouldn't matter, raid6 O 1 :) |
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| 07:15.23 | peterS | muhoo: and when I say package version I don't mean package name. library package name needs to change whenever the soname changes. it does not have to be exactly the same as the soname, it just has to be exactly as unique, if you get my drift. relating the name to the soname somehow makes it easier to ensure this. |
| 07:15.23 | Burn | Burn: I get a sort of Virtual Device and after that it gives me busybox |
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| 07:16.05 | tarzeau | Burn: installing from cd? |
| 07:16.10 | HSorgYves | i started installing etch and i am wondering which partitioning method i should use? should i setup lvm? encrypted lvm? |
| 07:16.21 | tarzeau | HSorgYves: if you have to ask, no |
| 07:16.35 | tarzeau | HSorgYves: pick the standard, how much diskspace do you have? how many disks? |
| 07:16.45 | wols | hmmm... mulberry is Free now. Under Apache License 2.0 |
| 07:16.50 | peterS | muhoo: for example - I maintain a library package called 'libsvn1'. it used to be 'libsvn0'. but that is not directly derived from any SONAME - rather, it is taken from 'libsvn_client-1.so.1' and 'libsvn_client-1.so.0', respectively. I know what the transformation is, and that I will keep the changes parallel, that's all that really matters |
| 07:16.51 | teclo- | Hello, know some tool that will allow me to view/change the meta information in a .jpg file ? There is pngmeta for png, but I've searched with apt-cache and could not find any tool to view/chenge jpg meta information... |
| 07:17.11 | tarzeau | teclo-: gimp should be able to do so? |
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| 07:17.32 | tarzeau | teclo-: apt-cache search ^exif |
| 07:17.39 | muhoo | peterS: ok, so the package name is, as i suspected, kind of arbitrary |
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| 07:18.13 | tarzeau | teclo-: exiftran can do it |
| 07:18.20 | peterS | muhoo: right, so long as it changes when the soname changes. the point being, a library of each unique soname should all be installable on the same system, which requires separate package names |
| 07:18.29 | Burn | tarzeau: a netinstall cd |
| 07:18.56 | HSorgYves | tarzeau: ;-) i am trying it out as vm at the moment, 1 disk |
| 07:19.07 | Burn | tarzeau: this is what I get -> Check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices : cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT! /dev/sdb3 does not exist |
| 07:19.23 | peterS | teclo-: gtkam might |
| 07:19.38 | tarzeau | Burn: what says dmesg and fdisk -l ? |
| 07:19.40 | muhoo | peterS: perfect. that fits my situation. any "new" version, up until 1.0 is released, needs to replace whatever old version was installed and thus it needs to have the same package name |
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| 07:19.58 | HSorgYves | tarzeau: if i understood lvm correctly it is mainly a flexible disk partitioning solution than a performance speed up |
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| 07:20.23 | peterS | muhoo: *nod*. now you need to make sure you're straight on _forward_ compatibility. if I build a binary using libfoo 0.102.5, will it work on libfoo 0.100.0? |
| 07:20.24 | muhoo | once 1.0 is released, the old packagename will probably get tagged as "Replaces: " |
| 07:20.26 | weltschmerz | I'm an Ubuntu user, but I'm actually here to ask who I'd have to talk to about suggesting that the Debian project use a better voting method than Condorcet? |
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| 07:20.39 | muhoo | peterS: yes |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | muhoo: i.e., does 0.102.5 have any features that, if I used them, my app wouldn't work on 0.100.0? |
| 07:20.43 | tarzeau | HSorgYves: right |
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| 07:20.50 | muhoo | peterS: well, maybe |
| 07:20.58 | muhoo | peterS: it depends on the features used |
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| 07:21.09 | Burn | tarzeau: dmesg nothing special or no errors, fdisk -l not available |
| 07:21.10 | weltschmerz | If the Debian project wants to have the best possible results, it should use Range Voting. http://RangeVoting.org/vsi.html |
| 07:21.13 | muhoo | the protocol version changes almost every release, that's what that so.0.23 is |
| 07:21.30 | tarzeau | weltschmerz: voting about what? |
| 07:21.34 | peterS | muhoo: so. any time you add such features, you don't need to change the SONAME necessarily - that's about _backward_ compatibility - but now you have to look at the Debian packaging, specifically what is known as the shlibs file |
| 07:21.36 | tarzeau | Burn: /etc/fstab ? |
| 07:21.50 | tarzeau | Burn: was the partitioning successful? |
| 07:21.51 | Shaun2222 | i'm booted into the the debian installed, switched terms to activate a console and am trying to mount a lvm... problem is that when i do lvscan it says device-mapper driver missing from kernel... |
| 07:21.55 | weltschmerz | tarzeau internal positions. board members, president, that sort of thing. i don't know exactly what the positions are called. |
| 07:21.56 | Shaun2222 | anybody know how i can load this.. |
| 07:22.13 | HSorgYves | tarzeau: thx |
| 07:22.14 | muhoo | peterS: so *that's* what that shlibs.local.ex is. hmm |
| 07:22.15 | tarzeau | weltschmerz: http://www.debian.org/intro/organization |
| 07:22.22 | weltschmerz | Condorcet voting is where you elect a beats-all winner, if there is one, otherwise you resolve a cyclic ambiguity in some defined way. |
| 07:22.24 | peterS | muhoo: so if some feature was added to 0.102.0 that is not present in 0.101.x and apps might use that feature - then the shlibs file needs to indicate this |
| 07:22.32 | tarzeau | weltschmerz: you can talk about it on the appropriate lists.debian.org |
| 07:22.34 | Burn | tarzeau: everything was successfull while installing, but after the reboot I got this error |
| 07:22.35 | weltschmerz | Range Voting is just, score the candidates and elect the one with the highest average. By far a better and simpler system. |
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| 07:22.42 | weltschmerz | http://RangeVoting.org/vsi.html |
| 07:22.45 | weltschmerz | thanks tarzeau |
| 07:23.01 | peterS | muhoo: the shlibs file basically says "when an app is built that uses this library, what should the Depends: line say?" It could be "Depends: libfoo0" or it could be "Depends: libfoo0 (>= 0.102.0)" |
| 07:23.08 | weltschmerz | The Haiku project used Range Voting for their icon set selection process recently. |
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| 07:23.37 | peterS | muhoo: the >= limiter is commonly used to guarantee that even if apps use newer features in the library, the package system won't allow a user to install a library that has the same SONAME but is too old to work properly |
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| 07:24.07 | teclo- | tarzeau: thank you :) |
| 07:24.50 | peterS | muhoo: so we have: SONAME management is about backward compatibility - if I compile with libfoo 0.100.0, will it still work with libfoo 0.102.5? the shlibs file is about compatibility the other way: if I compile with libfoo 0.102.5, how far back can you guarantee that the app will still work? |
| 07:25.11 | peterS | (since you don't have any direct way of knowing what features the app might use) |
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| 07:25.23 | mopsie | hello. i have 1 server running apache2+php5 and i have 10 clients connecting to apache. each client i calling a php file from that server which is doing 20 simultaneous requests via ajax each 2 seconds, so i have 200 requests each 2 seconds for 10 pcs to my apache. however i see that apache is eating cpu at 30%, what can i do to spread the requests and prevent eating cpu??? |
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| 07:26.38 | peterS | muhoo: btw, does foo really mean jack? |
| 07:26.48 | muhoo | peterS: :-) |
| 07:26.51 | ivx | hey when i do apt-get update why is it ign all the security repos, ex. Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources/DiffIndex |
| 07:27.03 | ivx | is that written wrong or something |
| 07:27.11 | muhoo | yeah, i'm trying to straighten out the jack mess |
| 07:27.32 | muhoo | and, most importantly, to make a package of 0.103.0, which i desperately need. |
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| 07:27.45 | peterS | muhoo: I don't really envy you. when you were talking about the daemon tightly coupled with the library I was thinking "oh, like jackd". but it didn't really occur to me until just a moment ago that you might actually _be_ talking about jack |
| 07:27.48 | muhoo | and, to enable me to uupdate to get a package of svn |
| 07:28.43 | muhoo | yeah, i was afraid to say so initially, so as not to get shoved away with "just file a BTS for it and let the maintainer fix it" kind of response |
| 07:28.50 | peterS | hehe |
| 07:29.41 | muhoo | but, i think i've got a handle on it. i've got to read up on shlibs file, and a couple other things, but i'm feeling pretty confident |
| 07:29.50 | muhoo | thanks largely to your help |
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| 07:30.10 | peterS | muhoo: well, the thing where the SONAME is tightly coupled to the package version - that might actually have been rational when jack was under heavy development and the interface really did change so fast that apps needed to be recompiled every release or so. that's common when projects are young - the author has other things he wants to think about than trying as hard as he can to avoid breaking the library ABI |
| 07:30.11 | muhoo | i've packaged utilities before, but never libraries |
| 07:30.43 | muhoo | i'm pretty sure it wasn't the author's decision |
| 07:30.48 | muhoo | i think it was the initial debian packager |
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| 07:31.28 | muhoo | upstream has no interest in debian. they run CCRMA (FC-based) |
| 07:31.28 | peterS | muhoo: anyway. dancer's guide (some of us disagree with a few details, but it's good background info for things I haven't really covered, like the details of how to get a shlibs file right): http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html |
| 07:32.03 | muhoo | there are .spec and .pc files right in the upstream tarball |
| 07:32.11 | muhoo | peterS: THANKS! |
| 07:32.31 | muhoo | i've been looking for a guide to packaging libs on debian, all new maintainer's guide says is, "don't package libs, go away" |
| 07:32.33 | peterS | no problem (I just hit up google and typed: debian dancer library packaging guide) |
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| 07:32.48 | peterS | I knew it was written by dancer (junichi uekawa) and that made it easy to find (: |
| 07:32.54 | muhoo | dunno who dancer is |
| 07:33.05 | peterS | junichi is just a debian developer |
| 07:33.56 | muhoo | ok, thanks, this thing has been around forever, looks like, and i may have even read it years ago, but forgot all about it |
| 07:33.57 | peterS | muhoo: the first paragraph of section 5.1 makes me laugh |
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| 07:35.41 | muhoo | is the libtool manual big enough to make an effective deterrent? |
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| 07:36.49 | szczur | Hi, how can I easily switch from iso8859-2 to utf8? (debian, wmaker, multi-gnome-terminal) I've already generated utf8 locales and set it to pl_PL.UTF-8 |
| 07:37.13 | peterS | muhoo: to be honest, I haven't read the libtool manual. I've learned what I've learned about library packaging from other sources, such as dancer's guide, and plain old experience |
| 07:37.18 | Ultra5pam | Prahu Oca Srbije |
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| 07:37.38 | muhoo | danish spam? |
| 07:37.49 | szczur | whoa |
| 07:37.51 | muhoo | or is that finnish/swedish/norewigian/etc? |
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| 07:38.15 | peterS | muhoo: doesn't look danish to me. looks more slavic, not that I know any slavic languages |
| 07:38.18 | sudo_maddash | swedish |
| 07:38.31 | loesh | that is not swedish.. |
| 07:38.34 | peterS | muhoo: anyway, he probably doesn't know whatever language it is, it's cut/pasted from who knows where, he just wants to annoy us |
| 07:38.57 | sudo_maddash | i hope osama never gets elected |
| 07:39.10 | muhoo | ok, well i'm not going to build this library tonight. i've got two more documents to read, adn process, so i'll be back at this probably tomorrow |
| 07:40.10 | sudo_maddash | loesh: then what is it? |
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| 07:45.55 | sudo_maddash | oops -- bosnian |
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| 07:48.04 | sudo_maddash | ew, croatian spam |
| 07:48.17 | peterS | is bosnian actually the same as s-c? |
| 07:48.59 | sudo_maddash | 's-c'? |
| 07:49.00 | peterS | I mean, it's listed separately in iso-639-3, but OTOH, so are Serbian and Croatian |
| 07:49.06 | peterS | sudo_maddash: Serbo-Croatian |
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| 07:49.28 | peterS | a language sometimes considered two separate languages (Serbian, Croatian) for political reasons |
| 07:49.29 | sudo_maddash | peterS: that was CP 1250 |
| 07:50.05 | peterS | since the people who speak the language identify with very distinct cultural groups |
| 07:50.12 | Bleupomme | Hi, I want to make a custom debian installer, building the linux-kernel-di package fails. Could Anyone help me please? |
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| 07:51.09 | wols | !tell Bleupomme abour errors |
| 07:51.19 | sudo_maddash | !tell Bleupomme about errors |
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| 07:51.28 | sudo_maddash | :). |
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| 07:52.49 | sudo_maddash | thank goodness for LUKS and azureus |
| 07:53.07 | Bleupomme | I am in the linux-kernel-di direcotry, type dpkg-buildpadpkg-source: warning: missing information for output field Standards-Versionckage and get folowing errors: |
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| 07:54.25 | Bleupomme | In the linux-kernel-di directory, dpkg-buildpackage issues following errors: dpkg-source: warning: missing information for output field Standards-Version then a lot of I have no package to build |
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| 07:55.18 | tls_81 | hello, by default why is logrotate not installed, and what application uses the logrotate.d directory... what's the difference between apps? |
| 07:55.21 | sudo_maddash | hark: you're using ipv6? |
| 07:55.36 | peterS | Bleupomme: I think you have to generate debian/control somehow. I am not certain how - try typing 'debian/rules debian/control' |
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| 07:56.32 | tarzeau | shouldn't dpkg-statoverride change permissions of whatever you give it immediately? |
| 07:56.51 | Bleupomme | peterS: still not working. Still getting dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
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| 07:58.06 | peterS | tarzeau: I don't know, I wouldn't expect it to - the same way dpkg-divert does not immediately move stuff out of the way |
| 07:58.32 | batt | any bacula users out here?? on etch? |
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| 07:58.46 | wols | !tell batt about anyone |
| 07:58.53 | tarzeau | peterS: i think it did so in sarge, and doesn't anymore on etch, let me test that right now |
| 07:58.55 | peterS | batt: just ask your question, if any of us knows the answer we'll give it |
| 07:59.18 | tarzeau | peterS: yes it does in sarge, and doesn't in etch |
| 07:59.25 | batt | 3924 Device "TapeStorage" not in SD Device resources |
| 07:59.26 | tarzeau | peterS: i'll file a bug report on dpkg, what do you think? |
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| 07:59.39 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:59.45 | batt | but i have double checked everything in bacula-sd.conf and bacula-dir.conf and it matches just fine |
| 07:59.45 | peterS | tarzeau: sure, if you don't see the bug already reported |
| 07:59.58 | batt | Device and Media Type |
| 08:00.53 | tarzeau | peterS: strange it changed the permission of links2, but not on wodim... |
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| 08:01.11 | multi_io_ | I want to use getmail with pop3 over SSL, abd I don't know what to specify for the required "envelope_recipient" configuration option |
| 08:01.13 | tarzeau | peterS: this did a change: dpkg-statoverride --update --add root root 4755 /usr/bin/links2 |
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| 08:01.47 | hades_ | morning :D |
| 08:01.47 | multi_io_ | there is no header in the mails that contains the correct envelope recipient address |
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| 08:02.22 | multi_io_ | I'd rather like to specify the correct envelope recipient address directly, but there doesn't appear to be an option for that?? |
| 08:02.41 | sudo_maddash | holy crap, I only have 3 hrs of sleep left |
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| 08:04.24 | peterS | multi_io_: well, I run getmail as a normal user from a normal user crontab file, so it already knows the correct recipient. don |
| 08:04.40 | peterS | don't know if you can specify this in getmailrc if you're running it as root or whatever |
| 08:04.43 | tarzeau | peterS: hm when i say --remove, then --update --add it works... |
| 08:04.49 | tarzeau | peterS: and yes, it does the change |
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| 08:05.43 | multi_io_ | peterS: I'm running it as a normal user too. But the POP3 over SSL retriever absolutely requires this envelope_recipient option |
| 08:06.08 | peterS | multi_io_: interesting, I wouldn't know about that, I use SimplePOP3Retriever |
| 08:06.13 | peterS | (without ssl) |
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| 08:08.53 | piztek | where can I set kwin over the gnome window manager? |
| 08:09.08 | Bleupomme | Hi, I have a problem with the linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 source package. dpkg-buildpackage fails with this error: "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory". Could anyone help me please? |
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| 08:09.35 | multi_io_ | peterS: I was wrong :P I was accidentally using the multidrop pop3 over ssl retriever, which requires that option. the Simple POP3 over SSL retriever does not |
| 08:09.56 | peterS | multi_io_: ah, heh |
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| 08:10.07 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 08:10.24 | piztek | where can I set kwin over the gnome window manager? |
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| 08:11.35 | Harzilein | when i use ffmpeg to extract the mp3 portion of a video, the resulting file gets to be an mp2 (still, it doesn't look like ffmpeg is performing any reencoding), is it because i have libtoolame installed... i have the debian-multimedia- and marillat-repositories, is there some ffmpeg version availabe that uses lame so i can check my suspicion? |
| 08:11.54 | Harzilein | s/\.\.\./?/ |
| 08:12.04 | piztek | isn't it like /boot/grub/something? |
| 08:12.11 | peterS | Harzilein: you can try 'mplayer -dumpaudio' |
| 08:13.33 | piztek | anyone? |
| 08:13.33 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 08:13.59 | Harzilein | peterS: that will dump the raw pcm, right? |
| 08:14.06 | dpy2 | does anyone know the answer to this riddle: I have a package, say foo, and I do linda foo.dsc which gives me a warning that it switched from non-native to native version (which is intentional, it was a bug), so I want to override this. for this I have a debian/foo.linda which has "Tag: switching-native-nonnative" which is installed in as /usr/share/linda/overrides/foo now I still get the warning when I run linda on the .dsc |
| 08:14.07 | Harzilein | peterS: i want to keep the encoding |
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| 08:14.23 | Ramattack | hi all |
| 08:14.29 | peterS | Harzilein: no, it dumps the audio track as-is |
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| 08:14.38 | Ramattack | I'm trying to increase somaxconn value of the kernel |
| 08:14.55 | dpy2 | any packaging/linda gurus around ? |
| 08:15.01 | tarzeau | dpy2: just ask |
| 08:15.04 | Ramattack | and doing sysctl -w net.core.somaxconn=200 for example it changes when is done sysctl -a |
| 08:15.05 | peterS | tarzeau: he did |
| 08:15.09 | dpy2 | tarzeau: I did |
| 08:15.10 | peterS | pay attention |
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| 08:15.27 | Ramattack | but when doing perl -Msocket -e'print SOMAXCONN' displays always 128 |
| 08:15.31 | Ramattack | why is this? |
| 08:15.37 | tarzeau | dpy2: you want it to be a native package? |
| 08:15.49 | dpy2 | tarzeau: yep |
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| 08:16.17 | peterS | tarzeau: he asked how to override a linda warning. if you don't know the answer to that, you can't help him |
| 08:16.23 | tarzeau | dpy2: i only use lintian. i suppose latest version of linda? |
| 08:16.24 | Ramattack | I need to increase this for spamd use |
| 08:16.26 | tls_81 | hi guys, just want to confirm GRUB is not that great with Raid, so am better off keeping the lilo boot Manager right? |
| 08:16.30 | tarzeau | peterS: ok i can't help him |
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| 08:16.48 | gremid | hi. is there an easy way to revert to the currently installed package selection. i selected some packages for install in dselect, which came from a wrong apt source list, and i want to undo this. |
| 08:17.00 | dpy2 | peterS: more specifically, I attempt to override a linda warning per linda documentation, but somehow it still shows up... |
| 08:17.16 | tarzeau | gremid: you still use dselect? maybe you can check /var/log/dpkg.log and undo your changes manually? |
| 08:17.28 | tarzeau | dpy2: can you show your linda override? |
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| 08:18.00 | peterS | dpy2: I don't know the answer either, but I know what to do in lintian: have a file in the debian/ directory which does not get installed. since the dsc is a source package, lintian checks its own contents rather than the /usr/share/lintian/overrides directory |
| 08:18.11 | peterS | dpy2: I bet it's a similar deal with linda |
| 08:19.24 | tarzeau | dpy2: the tag has no typo? |
| 08:19.30 | dpy2 | no I double checked |
| 08:19.40 | dpy2 | (actually I copy/pasted it) |
| 08:19.59 | tarzeau | dpy2: about which package is this? |
| 08:20.02 | dpy2 | peterS: the lintian file in debian is called debian/foo.lintian |
| 08:20.14 | dpy2 | tarzeau: my own.. no public package |
| 08:20.18 | tarzeau | dpy2: i see |
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| 08:20.31 | tarzeau | dpy2: it builds multiple packages? |
| 08:20.39 | dpy2 | yes |
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| 08:20.58 | peterS | tarzeau: but this is about a _source_ package warning, should have nothing to do with "multiple packages" |
| 08:20.59 | dpy2 | foo and foo-bar |
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| 08:21.23 | tarzeau | peterS: ok i got that, now you tell it |
| 08:21.34 | tarzeau | peterS: it can be a bug in linda or one in his packaging... |
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| 08:22.17 | Contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
| 08:22.29 | Contrast83 | Can someone point me in the direction of where to find out how to set up Apt so that it ignores certain packages when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" (specifically, the packages I've designated as "Lock Version" in Synaptic)? |
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| 08:24.08 | fengor | is there a documentation about mkisofs error codes? i just tried to burn a dvd with growisofs and it fails with the following error message: WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=3h/ASC=73h/ACQ=03h]: Input/output error. I tried adding the -v switch to get more information but it didnt gave anything useful to me. Some pointers to where to look at would be nice. thanks in advance ;) |
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| 08:24.52 | dpy2 | ah |
| 08:24.59 | piztek | where can I set the windows manager |
| 08:25.07 | dpy2 | option -p sheds some light on the matter: no overrides have been parsed ?!?!! |
| 08:25.15 | tarzeau | piztek: for you or all? |
| 08:25.20 | piztek | all |
| 08:25.32 | piztek | or both |
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| 08:26.02 | tarzeau | piztek: update-alternatives --set x-session-manager /usr/bin/fvwm2 |
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| 08:26.34 | piztek | where fvwm2 is kwin? |
| 08:26.47 | tarzeau | piztek: no idea, but check update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 08:26.59 | tarzeau | piztek: i can see startkde here, no kwin |
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| 08:27.18 | tarzeau | piztek: check /etc/alternatives/ if you have *kwin* there |
| 08:27.53 | timba | is it important to have the correct hostname set in mx-entry? the hostname is "mailserver.domain", the mx entry points to the correct IP, but it resolves to mail.domain |
| 08:28.05 | tarzeau | timba: yes it's important |
| 08:28.34 | piztek | tarzeau: kwin is not in /etc/alternatives |
| 08:28.34 | Harzilein | peterS: thanks |
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| 08:30.08 | piztek | tarzeau: ? |
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| 08:30.34 | Contrast83 | piztek: What's the .desktop file in /usr/share/xsessions that you're using look like? Do you see anything like "ExportWM=" in there, or if not, check the script that it points to for a line along those lines. |
| 08:30.41 | tarzeau | piztek: i don't know then |
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| 08:32.13 | piztek | yeah it says startkde |
| 08:32.20 | maddash | erm, thanks, peterS? |
| 08:32.23 | peterS | np |
| 08:32.24 | grendelson | eisen, OK I am BACK in MY DEBIAN box whoohoo!!! |
| 08:32.34 | grendelson | taht was a lesson in What nOT TO DO! |
| 08:32.41 | maddash | peterS: neat. I appreciate it. |
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| 08:32.50 | grendelson | Still ahd to twiddle my grub stanza to get the root right! |
| 08:33.07 | grendelson | But data is still hre! - jsut the numbering changed - NEVER seen that before! |
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| 08:35.13 | Contrast83 | Can someone point me in the direction of where to find out how to set up Apt so that it ignores certain packages when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" (specifically, the packages I've designated as "Lock Version" in Synaptic)? I already had a thorough look through apt's man pages to no avail. |
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| 08:38.27 | grendelson | man apt preferences |
| 08:38.30 | grendelson | or the like |
| 08:38.34 | grendelson | You can pin the version |
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| 08:44.59 | tls_81 | anyone using GRUB with raid or is lilo better/easier on RAID |
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| 08:47.28 | fireba11 | tls_81: grub works just fine |
| 08:47.28 | TipTap | can anyone recommend a utility for testing for weak passwords on the box. I saw john the ripper, but i'm not too sure how viable that is as such? |
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| 08:49.01 | beeyatch | ehlo there, sorry for bothering. I trried to apt-get install nagios in version 1.4 and all i get is Setting up nagios-common (1.4-3) ... \n This module does not exist! \n dpkg: error processing nagios-common (--configure): (...). Is nagios-common broken in the current testing package? |
| 08:50.02 | Shadur | TipTap: There really aren't many options aside from bruteforcing. |
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| 08:50.49 | Shadur | There are dozens of packages that do the same thing for a lot of things because There's More Than One Way To Do It, but when in certain cases there really isn't... |
| 08:52.05 | TipTap | ok well i guess it's better than i find the passwords which are weak as appose somebody else |
| 08:52.12 | TipTap | that* |
| 08:52.18 | gremid | tarzeau: thanks for the tip, cleaned up the database manually. |
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| 08:52.47 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.47 | Alarm | n problem as i could simply turn down the volume. the problem is that after this happens, some of the commands dont work (like ps for example), neither does my system shut down anymore. it just hangs and never turns off. The only thing i can do is to reset. The point is that this happens the 80% of the times i turn of the tv application, the other 20% when i close the app the sound also closes. any suggestions what could i check ? |
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| 08:53.50 | tarzeau | Alarm: if you say fuser /dev/dsp ? or -k ? |
| 08:53.51 | fluxdude3 | I'm running ntp but my clocks are still drifting, is there a way to force ntp to just blast the time according to the ntp server, something in ntp.conf? |
| 08:54.22 | maddash | fluxdude3: man ntpdate |
| 08:54.29 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ fuser /dev/dsp |
| 08:54.29 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ |
| 08:54.33 | Alarm | nothing to return |
| 08:54.46 | maddash | fluxdude3: `ntpdate time.nist.gov` |
| 08:54.50 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ fuser /dev/dsp |
| 08:54.50 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ lsof /dev/dsp |
| 08:54.58 | Alarm | no result either |
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| 08:55.05 | Alarm | the video0 is being used at the moment from kdetv |
| 08:55.21 | fluxdude3 | maddash: yeah but I'm tired of doing that, I have to stop ntpd, ntpdate, start ntpd. |
| 08:55.36 | fluxdude3 | ntpd is supposed to be keeping time so I don't have to do that! Why isn't it? |
| 08:55.48 | Alarm | but when i shut down kdetv, as i said, the system is hanging. the ps command doesnt run anymore. neither top, neither can i shut down. or when i try to run kdetv again , its telling me that the v4l is being used |
| 08:57.04 | maddash | fluxdude3: then kill off ntpd permanently |
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| 08:58.27 | fluxdude3 | huh? I am asking how to make ntpd more blunt and just smack the time over the head which it doesn't seem to be doing. |
| 08:58.50 | fluxdude3 | I don't want to kill it off. There is nothing in the logs as to why it's not keeping the time properly and the clock is drifting out |
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| 09:02.04 | guhhh | how i install beryl on debian on a ati? |
| 09:02.18 | sussudio | is beryl your wife? |
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| 09:02.28 | fengor | beryl is a wm sussudio |
| 09:02.30 | sussudio | guhhh on #beryl #debian #ubuntu #kubuntu |
| 09:02.31 | sussudio | :-| |
| 09:02.35 | fengor | as far as i have been told |
| 09:02.51 | sussudio | something tells me you're not actually running debian, guhhh. |
| 09:03.17 | guhhh | im not, but thats the point? :) |
| 09:03.31 | guhhh | im making a iso cd to install it right now |
| 09:04.56 | fengor | guhhh: aptitude install beryl |
| 09:05.02 | guhhh | so... anyone knows how i install XGL on debian or isnt it possible? |
| 09:05.14 | Gnea | !xgl |
| 09:05.14 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 09:05.31 | Gnea | !xgl-howto |
| 09:05.31 | dpkg | xgl-howto is, like, xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 09:06.18 | guhhh | thanks |
| 09:06.38 | guhhh | fengor: if it was simple like that i wouldnt be askin |
| 09:07.01 | guhhh | Gnea lol, its being rebuild, how lucky. |
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| 09:07.59 | fengor | guhhh: if you are running debian it CAN be that simple. but since you said you still have to isntall the system come back when you have done and tried |
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| 09:08.25 | guhhh | fengor not with an ati driver that can only run with proprietary driver |
| 09:08.33 | guhhh | ops |
| 09:08.40 | guhhh | fengor not with an ati card that can only run with proprietary driver |
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| 09:09.02 | guhhh | i cant even found xserver-xgl to download for debian |
| 09:09.19 | fengor | dunno i have an ati card and never had problems with the driver so far |
| 09:09.38 | guhhh | luck urs |
| 09:09.47 | fengor | !tell guhhh about ati |
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| 09:10.25 | fengor | !tell guhhh about fglrx one-liner |
| 09:10.28 | guhhh | fengor: thanks, but running ati driver isnt my problem :) |
| 09:10.44 | jelly-home | guhhh: what's wrong with aiglx? |
| 09:10.54 | ananda192 | !tell ananda192 about nvidia |
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| 09:11.08 | fengor | ananda192: you can also message the bot with the key |
| 09:11.13 | guhhh | jelly-home composite |
| 09:11.17 | fengor | like /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 09:11.28 | ananda192 | fengor- aah thank you :) |
| 09:11.38 | jelly-home | guhhh: works for me (on an intel card tho) |
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| 09:11.56 | guhhh | jelly-home: ati doesnt supports composite |
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| 09:12.15 | pablasso_ | any way to open ppt files besides impress? i hate the bloated OO |
| 09:12.17 | fengor | besides i just checked on my box there doesnt seem to be a beryl package in the repositories |
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| 09:12.52 | formorer | pablasso_: ppthtml - A program for converting Microsoft Power Point Files .ppt |
| 09:13.11 | fengor | at east not for etch |
| 09:13.14 | fengor | !info beryl |
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| 09:13.41 | pablasso_ | formorer, thank you i'll take a look |
| 09:14.05 | guhhh | fengor: debian.beryl-project.org main etch |
| 09:14.52 | guhhh | i suffered to make it run on ubuntu with my ati driver |
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| 09:15.14 | guhhh | now i will try that on debian, another sacrifice, lol |
| 09:15.47 | guhhh | well, i will install my debian, brb |
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| 09:20.11 | utrrrongeeb | I'm having a bit of trouble with cursors -- How can I set the cursor theme I want to use and have it be different from the system-wide one? The system-wide cursor theme seems to replace any one I selected for my account. |
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| 09:22.55 | Dazgard | hi |
| 09:23.15 | kairu0 | yo |
| 09:23.17 | Dazgard | how can i get the version installed for every packages on debian please |
| 09:23.18 | Dazgard | ? |
| 09:23.27 | formorer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.29 | Dazgard | that's cool thanks |
| 09:24.49 | kairu0 | is gnome 2.16 in unstable? |
| 09:25.03 | baris_ | Anyone here installed Gnupanel ? |
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| 09:29.04 | xoz | !tell baris_ -about ask |
| 09:29.16 | wols | !tell kairu0 about search |
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| 09:30.38 | baris_ | Has anyone here installed GnuPanel, if so, how did they get mailman configured cos it keeps complaining and how did they getthe panel to load properly, mine comes up with a splash page in spanish then has some kind of php/postgresql error as far as I can see. Any help appreciated. |
| 09:31.26 | shao_lap | probably a dumb question but: how to save a homepage (iceape) so that I can review it offline? |
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| 09:34.33 | hark | kairu0: /msg dpkg gnome 2.18 status |
| 09:35.02 | wols | shao_lap: menu file - save ? |
| 09:35.12 | wols | "save page as" |
| 09:35.23 | kairu0 | thanks hark |
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| 09:37.10 | eike | i need a boot floppy (or cd) for my system. how do i generate that? mkboot didn't work. there should be a package "boot-floppies", but i didn't find it... |
| 09:37.32 | Supaplex | !boot disk |
| 09:37.38 | Supaplex | !boot-floppies |
| 09:37.38 | dpkg | i heard etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 09:37.43 | shao_lap | wols, ah, yeah. well, can I save the page including all links on that page? |
| 09:37.53 | wols | shao_lap: not the links |
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| 09:37.58 | wols | shao_lap: man wget |
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| 09:38.15 | shao_lap | well, the links are also just html pages |
| 09:38.30 | eike | thanks, Supaplex - sorry for faq-ing... |
| 09:38.53 | Supaplex | eike: no worries. that's what we're here for. |
| 09:39.01 | wols | unless you find a iceweasel extension, browsers don't have this functionality usually |
| 09:39.08 | utrrrongeeb | Whenever I do something with aptitude or synaptic, it flashes big warnings at me about the packages not coming from a trusted source. The packages are on three DVDs. How can I make it trust the DVDs? |
| 09:39.19 | wols | Supaplex: it's what dpkg is for. not us :) |
| 09:39.34 | shao_lap | wols, ok, thanks :) |
| 09:39.40 | Supaplex | we're a team. ;) |
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| 09:40.13 | karsten | Remember, there's no 'I' in team... |
| 09:40.20 | karsten | ... but it's just maet backwards. |
| 09:40.45 | wols | morning karsten |
| 09:41.07 | karsten | wols: greets. |
| 09:41.11 | karsten | wols: I'm off to bed RSN. |
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| 09:41.43 | wols | sleepyhead |
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| 09:43.17 | wols | dpkg: tell karsten a good night story |
| 09:43.36 | karsten | @bed karsten |
| 09:43.57 | Supaplex | %-) |
| 09:43.58 | wols | karsten: I have sad news for you: <dpkg> No, wols, I won't. (target invalid?) |
| 09:44.04 | wols | so dpkg thinks you don't exist |
| 09:44.05 | jgonzalez | hi there... somebody willing to help a newbie? I have a few doubts |
| 09:44.12 | Supaplex | !ask |
| 09:44.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:44.32 | wols | jgonzalez: lucky you. I have a lot of doubts. all kinds of them |
| 09:44.38 | karsten | jgonzalez: I'll trade your doubts for some fears. |
| 09:44.49 | jgonzalez | karsten, done :) |
| 09:45.16 | wols | jgonzalez: you made a bad deal. karsten has weird and awful fears |
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| 09:45.45 | jgonzalez | I have just made my first installation of Debian, using etch. I want to install a package from unstable, I understand I must add a line to sources.list with the unstable distribution, right? |
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| 09:46.28 | wols | jgonzalez: you can but it's very much discouraged |
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| 09:46.35 | wols | mixing branches sooner or later leads to tears |
| 09:46.48 | scx | !sources @jgonzalez |
| 09:47.11 | jgonzalez | so what's the correct way of using a package from unstable... or shouldn't at all? |
| 09:47.13 | wols | !tell jgonzalez about simple sid backport |
| 09:47.26 | wols | usually a backport is best |
| 09:48.20 | jgonzalez | I think it isn't backported, I think I checked it, but gonna double check it :) |
| 09:48.28 | scx | However it is not a pretty good idea to start mixing versions |
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| 09:49.34 | jgonzalez | ok, so the right solution is to rebuild the package against the stable version? |
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| 09:50.39 | scx | jgonzalez: if in stable, only use stable |
| 09:50.43 | wols | basically yes. it's the easiest solution |
| 09:50.44 | jgonzalez | but in this case I'm talking about a ruby package, I guess there should be no problem unless it depends on an unstable version of ruby |
| 09:50.47 | wols | what do you want from unstable btw? |
| 09:50.51 | jgonzalez | puppet |
| 09:51.17 | wols | yes, if te dependencies are ok and not too outlandish, there shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:51.18 | scx | !areyouthere |
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| 09:51.26 | jgonzalez | it's in heavy development, so staying in stable would cause me a lot of problems and lose a lot of functionality |
| 09:51.37 | wols | if no other package depends on pupppet itself, you could also simply use an upstream version I'd guess |
| 09:51.50 | wols | use a upstream cvs then |
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| 09:52.11 | wols | script packages are a bit different than normal stuff since the dependencies are often not as crucial |
| 09:52.17 | jgonzalez | ok... I'll go ask upstream... I think there's a debian developer there, Matt Palmer |
| 09:52.44 | jgonzalez | thanks a lot, guys |
| 09:55.45 | utrrrongeeb | Synaptic is giving me a warning message whenever I install packages. It says the packages are coming from an untrusted source. |
| 09:56.34 | wols | utrrrongeeb: topic |
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| 09:59.16 | utrrrongeeb | wols: Thanks, that will work with DVDs? |
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| 10:00.18 | Seanfeld | hi I am trying to track down why my server has been slow. when I look at top on the Cpu line it says 99% us. This means almost all of the cpu's power is being used, right? But when I sort by %cpu nothing is much over 1% shouldn't I see a process that is using up most of the CPU power? |
| 10:00.29 | wols | dvds shouldn't have that problem in the first place if you installed from them afaik |
| 10:00.48 | wols | Seanfeld: yesy ou should |
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| 10:01.18 | wols | Seanfeld: could there be a rootkit? |
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| 10:01.28 | wols | and: are you root while running top? |
| 10:01.41 | baris_ | Does anyone know anywhere other than the gnupanel homepage where I might find decent tutorial on installing/configuring/debugging gnupanel ? |
| 10:01.58 | Seanfeld | wols: I am root don't know if there is a rootkit |
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| 10:02.47 | wols | it is very suspicious |
| 10:02.56 | wols | 100% user cpu and no process that claims it |
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| 10:03.27 | enouf | if 99% cpu, you wouldn't be able to do anything |
| 10:03.37 | wols | enouf: you can |
| 10:03.43 | wols | debian has good multitasking |
| 10:03.48 | Seanfeld | wols: I hadn't thought of that you think that's most likely what is going on |
| 10:03.58 | Seanfeld | yeah I can still do things just slow |
| 10:04.11 | enouf | wols: well .. i exaggerated, but you get my point |
| 10:04.13 | Seanfeld | it's not always at 99 |
| 10:04.22 | wols | enouf: problems only arise when TWO processes want 99% cpu |
| 10:04.28 | wols | then you get problems usually :) |
| 10:04.29 | Seanfeld | but even at 99 |
| 10:04.29 | hark | it's just Disk IO which sucks |
| 10:05.22 | Seanfeld | is there a way I can figure out if there is rootkit on it |
| 10:05.29 | wols | Seanfeld: server or home system? what ports are open? |
| 10:05.36 | utrrrongeeb | wols: I upgraded from Sarge to Etch with DVDs, and they are the source of the error. |
| 10:05.38 | StanleyY | Hmm, why did my client tell me this when I joined this channel? |
| 10:05.38 | wols | chkrootkit is a test for it |
| 10:05.39 | StanleyY | Ž´ñª™MðÊ¡üdÜj*Ù]ðßšFõ0Anh‘_@p‘4|Hcq†tîϲ¶ñÉœÔnðÓ%»¡paÙ¢´X¢cÎMTñBîk½’8Æþ´¿ÇeRfH÷G_zk’,EƇ¡F3§lW.&-§¡ÖWÞ\¢í%"Çâ={ýôøBà¹lí7 Unknown command |
| 10:05.48 | enouf | beauty |
| 10:06.04 | StanleyY | I have never had it tell me that before... |
| 10:06.11 | wols | Seanfeld: but rootikts are always hard to detect |
| 10:06.26 | wols | StanleyY: some glitch, possibly on the server. probably a one time thing |
| 10:06.39 | StanleyY | alright, i hope so |
| 10:06.40 | Seanfeld | wols: personal server i have colocated |
| 10:06.47 | wols | that means server |
| 10:06.57 | wols | what does it run? lemme guess: apache with php? |
| 10:07.25 | Seanfeld | yeah it has that and I also run zope on it |
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| 10:07.45 | wols | what php scripts? |
| 10:08.03 | wols | and: what debian version and when updated last? what kernel vresion? |
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| 10:09.05 | t64 | problem with installing postgres, (etch) the configuration files in /etc/ are not appearing, tried purging etc, no luck, any ideas on where to look next? |
| 10:09.40 | wols | dpkg --confmiss |
| 10:10.09 | wols | dpkg -i --confmiss that is |
| 10:10.10 | dpkg | package --confmiss that is is already installed |
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| 10:11.03 | rpc | anyone tried mounting raw disk image in vmware? |
| 10:11.15 | wols | !vmware |
| 10:11.15 | dpkg | it has been said that vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 10:11.21 | wols | and it's also a anyone question |
| 10:11.32 | rpc | oh. |
| 10:12.21 | t64 | thanks, got someting now :) |
| 10:12.26 | rpc | my english is very weak so i had no idea that "anyone" was bad.. |
| 10:12.43 | rpc | what would be the most proper way of asking that question? |
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| 10:12.49 | mortal | has someone.. |
| 10:12.50 | kairu0 | t64, did it create the /etc/postgresql folder? |
| 10:13.01 | mortal | imo there is a difference in anyone/someone |
| 10:13.08 | t64 | no but i got an archive error.. |
| 10:13.14 | mortal | anyone has done it |
| 10:13.15 | t64 | yes it did |
| 10:13.16 | mortal | someone has done it |
| 10:13.19 | t64 | wlaong with 7.4 |
| 10:13.20 | rpc | mortal i seriously want to know the diff |
| 10:13.25 | wols | !tell rpc about anyone |
| 10:13.41 | wols | rpc: it's not bad english |
| 10:13.51 | t64 | kairu0: but it only created a blank postgresql.conf file.. |
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| 10:14.00 | wols | but it's a bad question :) |
| 10:14.15 | rpc | wols i wasn't able to ask that question using does |
| 10:14.19 | wols | someone is the assertive version you use when you know there is someone |
| 10:14.29 | rpc | anyone seemed like the proper way of asking what i did ask about |
| 10:14.35 | wols | anyone is the one for asking when you don#t know if there is anywone or if you feel less assertive |
| 10:14.41 | kairu0 | wols, you used someone to define someone |
| 10:14.42 | wols | rpc: it was |
| 10:14.54 | Seanfeld | wols: sarge, 2.6.8 kernel updated probably around 3 months ago still checking on the php scripts it's a little slow to get around |
| 10:15.09 | rpc | and thank you for someone/anyone explanation, i seriously wanted to know that :) |
| 10:15.09 | wols | kairu0: this is english language, not logic. have you seen a logical natural language? |
| 10:15.25 | wols | Seanfeld: what version of 2.6.8 sarge kernel? |
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| 10:15.53 | rpc | so, anyone tried mounting... j/k :) |
| 10:16.04 | Seanfeld | wols: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 10:16.08 | kairu0 | wols, english is quite logical |
| 10:16.12 | rpc | or: did anyone try mounting? |
| 10:16.17 | wols | versions below 2.6.8-3 had some problems including a local priviledge escalation afaik |
| 10:16.27 | wols | kairu0: in what universe? |
| 10:16.27 | rpc | anyone tried or did anyone try? which is the more proper english? |
| 10:16.33 | scx | wols: chinese |
| 10:17.09 | enouf | spangladesh |
| 10:17.24 | rpc | enouf tellinit 0 ;) |
| 10:17.32 | kairu0 | rpc, did anyone try (or has anyone tried) |
| 10:17.36 | enouf | i recall |
| 10:17.39 | scx | no |
| 10:17.45 | rpc | kairu0 i love the has, thank you |
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| 10:17.50 | rpc | enouf he he |
| 10:18.17 | rpc | enouf btw.. after that halt box never had problems with reboot again, strange, isn't it? |
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| 10:18.43 | enouf | rpc: now that's whacko jacko ;-) |
| 10:18.57 | rpc | doh :s |
| 10:19.18 | h3sp4wn | rpc: has anyone tried (second just sounds wrong) |
| 10:19.25 | enouf | so i inadvertantly cleansed you .. ;-) |
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| 10:19.26 | hark | ah, that reminds me.. /me goes about a postgresql upgrade |
| 10:19.46 | rpc | h3sp4wn so you do recommend the present perfect in this case, ok - i will stick to it |
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| 10:20.02 | rpc | i just knew that anyone itself was plain wrong.. |
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| 10:20.29 | kairu0 | rpc, given that some people may still be trying, present perfect is best |
| 10:20.30 | rpc | enouf yes.. and my wallet too but after all i'm happy :) |
| 10:20.44 | enouf | rpc: "has anyone/someone tried" .. but that has nothing to do with a poorly asked question ;-) |
| 10:20.53 | rpc | kairu0 mhm |
| 10:21.05 | rpc | enouf how poor was my vm question? |
| 10:21.11 | enouf | rpc: you happy, me happy |
| 10:21.17 | kairu0 | haha |
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| 10:21.19 | rpc | enouf we happy |
| 10:21.52 | kairu0 | youz is being happy |
| 10:21.58 | rpc | i'm sure that many people in here got a debian vm or a few or even run a debian host for vms like me :) |
| 10:22.06 | rpc | so i thought someone would know the answer.. |
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| 10:22.25 | enouf | rpc: it doesn't give us much info to go on .. it seems like a harmless question, just it also is very very vague .. think about it |
| 10:22.33 | kairu0 | did postgresql or mysql come about first? |
| 10:22.46 | rpc | kairu0 he he i always wanted to know this youz stuff.. heard it in the UK for the first time in my life.. like "how is youz" :) confused me seriously |
| 10:22.46 | enouf | s/just it/just that |
| 10:23.03 | enouf | s/just that it/ :-P |
| 10:23.10 | enouf | bah |
| 10:23.26 | rpc | enouf "raw disk image" is a raw disk image, i really had no idea that it might sound vague |
| 10:23.40 | azeem | rpc: are you saying you're trying to mount a raw disk image, but fail, or that you have no idea how to go about it? |
| 10:23.48 | enouf | rpc: and are you mounting with an elephant? or a seal? |
| 10:23.49 | vin` | '. |
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| 10:24.06 | enouf | maybe you're using an apple |
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| 10:24.11 | azeem | rpc: or that you heard about this and thought it was cool and now want to have input on the coolness from this chan |
| 10:25.07 | rpc | azeem... i'm actually using a 100GB ntfs raw disk image mounted directly on my debian and now i would love to have it mounted in vm instead so i can use it there |
| 10:25.28 | azeem | so why don't you do that? |
| 10:25.33 | rpc | anyway i'm very afraid that pulling this topic will get me into deep shit :) |
| 10:25.43 | h3sp4wn | rpc: If someone says - "How is youz" to me I just look at the sky as I think that there is no real answer to it |
| 10:25.46 | rpc | azeem that was my question - can i mount a raw disk image or not? |
| 10:26.01 | wols | rpc: how should we know? |
| 10:26.18 | azeem | rpc: if you're asking about not supported stuff, it would be a very nice idea to ask very specific questions, so that people don't have to ask half a dozen follow-up question to actually figure out what you want to do |
| 10:26.28 | azeem | rpc: what does the vmware manual say? |
| 10:26.30 | azeem | I assume you can. |
| 10:26.38 | rpc | h3sp4wn that question was actually asked a few times in front of a group of people so i think "youz" is like funky way of meeting people or anything like that |
| 10:26.46 | wols | azeem: on windows it says "you can do it but it's unsupported" basically |
| 10:26.54 | scx | just if you can make the kernel to find out what FS it has |
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| 10:27.08 | tty-0 | buenas |
| 10:27.13 | h3sp4wn | rpc: I know what it is - I just think people who speak like that are pretty stupid (I am English) |
| 10:27.14 | scx | or trough a network connection |
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| 10:27.37 | rpc | h3sp4wn he he |
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| 10:28.09 | rpc | h3sp4wn in fact that person wasn't really clever.. even though she was my boss :) |
| 10:28.23 | famir | how can i copy from remote pc (i have the user&Pass) ? |
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| 10:28.39 | azeem | famir: what OS runs on the remote? |
| 10:28.40 | scx | look at l33t in unencyclopedia |
| 10:28.44 | wols | famir: username&pass of what? |
| 10:28.49 | kairu0 | famir, ssh? |
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| 10:29.02 | famir | azeem: debian |
| 10:29.09 | scx | I agree with h3sp4wn, it is not cool to speak that way |
| 10:29.10 | azeem | famir: and local? |
| 10:29.27 | famir | azeem deabin |
| 10:29.28 | azeem | then best to use ssh/scp |
| 10:29.33 | rpc | famir scp |
| 10:29.39 | wols | !scp |
| 10:29.39 | dpkg | scp is, like, Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 10:29.50 | rpc | scx, h3sp4wn: i'm really glad i don't work there anymore lol :) |
| 10:29.55 | famir | 10x all !!! |
| 10:30.23 | baris_ | If anyone here uses or has used postgresql, I have installed it and another package is trying to make use of it, but the install hasn't created a socket file... any suggestions? |
| 10:30.36 | rpc | it would be worth adding that you can only scp mp3s that you legally own :) |
| 10:31.35 | giupy | i still have problems with samba, i have created a folder in my home where i mount and hd, i have created some folders in taht hd and i want make them writable and executable by a samba user. i have made "chmod 0777" on those folders. samba user can read files only mounting the shared folder, not with "smb://" on konqueror, but can't write, modify the folders. |
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| 10:32.25 | giupy | i have "writable = yes and readonly = no" in smb.conf |
| 10:32.28 | jm|work | giupy: have you check the create mask in smb.conf ? |
| 10:32.28 | mvanbaak | heya all :) |
| 10:32.40 | giupy | jm|laptop: yes, 0777 |
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| 10:32.44 | jm|work | k |
| 10:32.58 | wols | giupy: does the share have "writeable = yes" in its config? |
| 10:33.05 | giupy | wols: yes |
| 10:33.15 | wols | oops. typing took to long, sry |
| 10:33.25 | wols | giupy: paste your smb.conf please |
| 10:33.39 | giupy | wols: well i go to pastebin |
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| 10:34.25 | mvanbaak | anyone here that can help me with apache2-mpm-event? |
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| 10:34.41 | mvanbaak | When I start it it fails with: [crit] (70023)This function has not been im plemented on this platform: Couldn't create a Thread Safe Pollset. Is it support ed on your platform? |
| 10:34.52 | indraveni | hi, |
| 10:35.02 | indraveni | I need help in connectnig postgresql with php |
| 10:35.04 | jgonzalez | ok, definitely I'd like to install puppet from unstable (I've taken a look at dependencies and they seem to be the same as the stable package), what are the correct steps to just install that from unstable? 1. Add unstable to sources.list, 2. Set default release to stable in apt.conf 3. Either pin the package or install it using -t unstable (what's recommended?) Is this correct? |
| 10:35.22 | indraveni | when I am running my applciation in the browser, i am seeing an error message like |
| 10:35.36 | indraveni | Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server: FATAL: password authentication failed for user "postgres" |
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| 10:36.08 | wols | jgonzalez: I'd download it from packages.debian.org instead |
| 10:36.27 | mvanbaak | indraveni: first of all: you dont want to connect as user postgres |
| 10:36.32 | mankod1 | @seen Mankod |
| 10:36.32 | ravenbird | mankod1: i haven't seen 'mankod' |
| 10:36.32 | wols | so in case in the future it changes the reqs you don#t get a new ruby interpreter and a new libc6 with it |
| 10:36.55 | enouf | jgonzalez: man apt_preferences for a nice example, using -t |
| 10:37.07 | indraveni | mvanbaak, then how can I connect? |
| 10:37.21 | wols | indraveni: create a user and set a password for that user |
| 10:37.22 | jgonzalez | wols: ok, can you install a deb directly with aptitude? should I drop the package in any special place? |
| 10:37.25 | wols | a normal, non admin user |
| 10:37.34 | jgonzalez | enouf, thanks, I'll take a look at it |
| 10:37.36 | wols | jgonzalez: dpkg -i <filename.deb> |
| 10:37.48 | indraveni | wols, even though, its showing the same error for that username |
| 10:37.50 | jgonzalez | wols, ok, thank you very much |
| 10:37.57 | mvanbaak | indraveni: create a new user in postgresql (createuser) and give that user access to the database you want to use |
| 10:38.02 | wols | indraveni: what user? postgres? |
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| 10:38.17 | giupy | wols: well i have problems with pastebin :) |
| 10:38.20 | indraveni | wols, no, I created a user name indraveni, and tried |
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| 10:38.36 | indraveni | wols, still same error , only in the error, postgres is replaced with the indraveni |
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| 10:39.05 | wols | !paster |
| 10:39.05 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 10:39.08 | jgonzalez | wols, AFAIK (just three days experience with debian) dpkg doens't handle dependencies, so it won't complain on unsatisfied dependencies, right? |
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| 10:39.27 | wols | jgonzalez: it will complain and refuse to install if deps are not met |
| 10:39.28 | hark | nope |
| 10:39.39 | jgonzalez | wols, ok, thanks a lot |
| 10:39.43 | enouf | jgonzalez: the only way to resolve depends like that is manually install all the depends to |
| 10:39.57 | wols | jgonzalez: which makes it sorta "safe" so you don#t mi etcha nd unstable (too much) |
| 10:40.12 | wols | at least not accidentally |
| 10:40.12 | giupy | well thanks |
| 10:40.14 | giupy | http://paste.debian.net/26636 |
| 10:40.14 | jgonzalez | ok, great |
| 10:40.20 | giupy | that is my smb.conf |
| 10:41.35 | wols | giupy: which share is it? |
| 10:41.35 | enouf | s/to/too |
| 10:41.35 | giupy | oh perhaps i have found my problem? must home dir be writable if the shared folders are on it ? |
| 10:41.36 | giupy | wols: mp3, divx, amule |
| 10:41.36 | giupy | wols: wich folders? |
| 10:42.02 | wols | ok. has rik on the samba server access to the directoriy in question? can he write to it? |
| 10:42.15 | wols | and if so: "ls -al http://paste.debian.net/26636 |
| 10:42.24 | wols | ls -al /home/giupy/storage/divx rather |
| 10:42.37 | wols | the only importan lines are the ones for "." and ".." |
| 10:43.01 | ihate88 | hey there - i am using a logitech mx1000 - is there any sort of driver that i could use? i experience odd results for buttons three to five while browsing and wine registers all clicks between mouse three and five as a "mouse 3" click(while playing world of warcraft). the tool mdetect is giving out: /dev/psaux and intellimouse. the mouse wheel and the two buttons above and underneath it work fine and extend the mouse wheel functions. any hel |
| 10:43.01 | ihate88 | p would be appreciated. "mouse 4" and "mouse 5" are really needed to play world of warcraft. i mean any tool that could map those two mouse buttons to any keyboard key(like strg+d) would be totally sufficient! i am using debian lenny on a desktop(replacing windows). |
| 10:43.01 | mvanbaak | noone knows about thet 'couldn't create a thread safe pollset' error of apache2-mpm-event? |
| 10:43.06 | giupy | wols: drwxrwxrwx 2 giupy giupy 48 2007-04-23 17:23 . |
| 10:43.07 | giupy | drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 144 2007-04-24 08:00 .. |
| 10:43.23 | giupy | rikdoesn't have permission, right ? |
| 10:44.11 | giupy | wols: rik can only read files, and only if he mounts the samba dir |
| 10:44.16 | giupy | with smbfs |
| 10:44.23 | wols | why is there a root.root file in /home/storage? |
| 10:44.38 | wols | there isn't a user rik on the samba server? |
| 10:44.54 | giupy | wols: i have made chmod 0777, perhaps for that |
| 10:45.05 | giupy | wols: yes i have created it |
| 10:45.08 | wols | no. chmod does not change owners |
| 10:45.20 | giupy | wols: dunno also |
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| 10:45.36 | wols | samba doesn't know who the file will belong to when it writes a file |
| 10:45.46 | wols | that might be the problem why you can't do it |
| 10:45.59 | wols | cause rik does not exist |
| 10:46.08 | giupy | wols: rik exist |
| 10:46.31 | wols | exists where? as a local user on the samba server system |
| 10:46.32 | wols | ? |
| 10:46.40 | giupy | wols: yes |
| 10:46.45 | lame | when i try to start up apache2 i get an error. in the logs it says [error] Init: Private key not found . but i just created the certificate file |
| 10:46.58 | giupy | wols:giupy@debian:/home$ ls |
| 10:46.58 | giupy | elena giupy netlogon pdf-documents rik test |
| 10:46.59 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.59 | wols | and if you change to user rik, you can create files in divx dir? |
| 10:47.18 | giupy | wols: if i use that user locally ? |
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| 10:48.05 | Octopssy | Hey, im trying to mount a lvm i made, whats wrong with this line: |
| 10:48.06 | Octopssy | http://www.pastebin.ca/460890 |
| 10:48.10 | giupy | wols: no, permission denied if i try to remove a file |
| 10:48.18 | wols | giupy: then fix that |
| 10:48.24 | giupy | wols: how? |
| 10:48.34 | wols | by setting perms properly |
| 10:48.54 | wols | !tell Octopssy about errors |
| 10:49.04 | giupy | wols: dunno how to do that |
| 10:49.14 | giupy | wols: chmod ? |
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| 10:49.22 | tonyb2006 | somebody help me |
| 10:49.25 | tonyb2006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.29 | Octopssy | wols: What you like to know? |
| 10:49.30 | tonyb2006 | I got a crapload of those running |
| 10:49.33 | Octopssy | ah nm |
| 10:49.33 | Octopssy | sec |
| 10:50.06 | wols | Octopssy: and what kind of filesystem is "8E" supposed to be btw? |
| 10:50.07 | giupy | wols: in smb.conf must i set home dir to be writable ? |
| 10:50.10 | berkel | sorry guys...i have a problem...how can i view if postfix use procmail to delivering messages? |
| 10:50.13 | wols | Octopssy: my kernel certainly hasn't one of those |
| 10:50.26 | wols | giupy: no |
| 10:50.26 | Octopssy | Isn't that supposed to be the lvm ? |
| 10:50.31 | Octopssy | I followed some howto for it |
| 10:50.41 | wols | a lvm isn't a filesystem, is it? |
| 10:50.42 | giupy | wols: k |
| 10:51.01 | wols | you need a filesystem on top of the lvm which can then span several partitions/disks which are part of the lvm |
| 10:51.05 | lame | when i try to start up apache2 i get an error. in the logs it says [error] Init: Private key not found . but i just created the certificate file |
| 10:51.28 | wols | lame: could be it looks in another place than were you put that file? |
| 10:51.29 | norc | tonyb2006: is (by accident) your dmesg full of failed login messages? |
| 10:51.43 | tonyb2006 | my auth.log is |
| 10:51.52 | scx | when you think IPv6 will be used sidely by ISP providers ? |
| 10:51.53 | norc | tonyb2006: Doesn't ring a bell? ;-) |
| 10:51.55 | Octopssy | wols: I can't find anything in /var/log/syslog |
| 10:51.56 | lame | where does he look by default? |
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| 10:52.11 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.12 | tonyb2006 | is it safe to delete user 1009 |
| 10:52.13 | scx | I eard Oracle urged for 2010 |
| 10:52.30 | lame | i used |
| 10:52.31 | lame | openssl req $@ -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/apache.pem |
| 10:52.53 | lame | chmodded it to 600 |
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| 10:53.13 | chronographer | hello i use etch and wonder if it is possible to update to the latest open office.(2.2) I could jsut use sids sources for the install? or does Oo require some other things? |
| 10:53.16 | lame | and in the virtualhost its |
| 10:53.17 | lame | SSLEngine on |
| 10:53.17 | lame | SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
| 10:53.29 | scx | wols: well, there would not be enough available IPs |
| 10:53.47 | scx | long before I'm 30 |
| 10:53.50 | giupy | i can't find how to give write permssion to a folder to a specific user |
| 10:53.57 | chronographer | I just tried using unstable sources and removed openoffice.org then update to sid sources, install openoffice.org and I got a warning that I was about to do something silly! |
| 10:53.58 | norc | tonyb2006: Are you saying somebody got to login by bruteforce? |
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| 10:53.58 | wols | tonyb2006: how would we know who user 1009 is? |
| 10:53.58 | tonyb2006 | oh snap |
| 10:53.59 | wols | and if you got rooted, then the only solution is to fully reinstall |
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| 10:53.59 | Octopssy | nm found it |
| 10:53.59 | tonyb2006 | ues |
| 10:53.59 | tonyb2006 | yes |
| 10:53.59 | tonyb2006 | dont think root |
| 10:53.59 | wols | tonyb2006: if there is a new user at UID 1009, he got root |
| 10:54.00 | tonyb2006 | :| |
| 10:54.00 | tonyb2006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.00 | Seanfeld | wols: I went through the chkrootkit and rkhunter and nothing was found would you be more inclined to say probably still a rootkit there (as in reinstall and start from scratch might be my best option) or try a different kernel? |
| 10:54.02 | mvanbaak | my ISP already gives me IPv6 |
| 10:54.06 | scx | and the Universe can not end before I'm gone |
| 10:54.12 | wols | wth? was there just a murder lag? |
| 10:54.41 | norc | tonyb2006: This is another port scanner as far as I know |
| 10:54.57 | scx | mvanbaak: are you in IPv6 right now? |
| 10:54.58 | wols | Seanfeld: you could try a different kernel, but even then: only way to be sure is a proper reformat :( |
| 10:55.07 | tonyb2006 | bbl |
| 10:55.09 | wols | Seanfeld: but try the kenel to gather more evidence |
| 10:55.12 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.13 | norc | tonyb2006: My best would be that you are screwed. |
| 10:55.16 | norc | *guess |
| 10:55.29 | Seanfeld | wols: alright thanks for the help |
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| 10:56.01 | wols | !tell chronographer about bobbitt |
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| 10:56.09 | wols | chronographer: this applies to any mixing of branches btw |
| 10:56.17 | wols | !tell chronographer about simple sid backport |
| 10:56.24 | wols | with OO this is far from simple of course... |
| 10:56.28 | mvanbaak | scx: yeah |
| 10:56.42 | mvanbaak | scx: but not connected to freenode with ipv6 |
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| 10:56.59 | mvanbaak | I do connect to ircnet and ambernet using ipv6 |
| 10:57.18 | wols | mvanbaak: you can connect to freenode via ipv6 too |
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| 10:57.34 | mvanbaak | zelazny.freenode.net |
| 10:57.37 | enouf | tonyb2006: apt-cache show denyhosts, that'll help if you're getting many attempts to connect .. |
| 10:57.37 | mvanbaak | that's my current host |
| 10:57.42 | chronographer | ok thanks |
| 10:58.14 | scx | so we get two adresses? a 4 and a 6 ? |
| 10:58.36 | wols | all IPV4 Ips are mapped into IPV6 |
| 10:59.05 | scx | I don't understand, if the DSL modem is IPv6 how could I connect to wan using IPv4 ? |
| 10:59.11 | scx | ah |
| 10:59.26 | wols | scx: gateways |
| 10:59.29 | scx | and then 6 can be mapped to 4? |
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| 11:00.35 | scx | ok, so I tell my modem to tell my gateway to comunicate to example.com using IPv4 right? |
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| 11:01.36 | dezent | ? |
| 11:01.38 | wols | there are several different methods |
| 11:01.46 | wols | but they are transparent to you as the end user |
| 11:01.52 | wols | no special "telling" |
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| 11:03.04 | xopher | How can I figure out how much Flash memory and RAM my Router has? It's a ZyAir B-2000 v.2 and there's no such info on the internet (Im sure there is but google doesn't know about it) |
| 11:03.27 | ireverentReveren | if google does not know about it it does not exist |
| 11:03.39 | wols | xopher: OT |
| 11:03.49 | xopher | OT? |
| 11:03.59 | wols | !tell xopher about ot |
| 11:04.00 | h3sp4wn | xopher: fcc |
| 11:04.05 | wols | it's not a debian question |
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| 11:04.20 | xopher | true that, sorry. |
| 11:04.33 | wols | try #hardware |
| 11:04.36 | scx | ireverentReveren: Google know nothing about you, it means you not exist ? |
| 11:04.40 | norc | xopher: connect via telnet and type `free' for the RAM question |
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| 11:04.47 | ireverentReveren | that is true |
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| 11:04.50 | h3sp4wn | xopher: http://www.fcc.gov/searchtools.html or https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm |
| 11:04.51 | norc | xopher: Or open it, and take a close look at all chips you find. |
| 11:05.00 | untitled | hi, did anyone try to install linuxmce on debian? |
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| 11:05.05 | xopher | ok, thanks, Ill look around |
| 11:05.11 | norc | xopher: I'm pretty sure your router is running some sort of MIPS linux |
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| 11:05.49 | delire | eek.. abiword upgrade wants to take out util-linux and upgrade libc6. |
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| 11:06.43 | norc | delire: on Etch? |
| 11:07.07 | spacenerve | ne1 successfully setup phppgadmin on debian from packages? i'm a little confused ..... managed to get phpmyadmin working but phppgadmin is producing an 'access forbidden' message :-\ |
| 11:07.33 | fengor | paste |
| 11:07.36 | norc | spacenerve: These webfrontends for system administration are the worst thing you can do to your system. |
| 11:07.41 | fengor | sorry wrong window that was for dpkg |
| 11:07.45 | norc | spacenerve: They literally mess up your system eventually. |
| 11:07.59 | spacenerve | norc: it's not for me ;) ..... |
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| 11:08.22 | xand | php(my/pg)admin are probably ok |
| 11:08.35 | xand | as long as they're locked down suitably |
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| 11:09.46 | kubrick | DNAT doesnt work in my etch box |
| 11:09.52 | kubrick | I havent tried nat |
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| 11:10.15 | |DuReX| | i have a lil question, is it possible to put a running command into 'screen' |
| 11:10.23 | |DuReX| | so i can disconnect & then reattach it ? |
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| 11:10.43 | wols | a running command? |
| 11:11.16 | scx | well you can suspend a running command and then pause it |
| 11:11.23 | scx | or whatever |
| 11:11.42 | berkel | guys...why i get this error in procmail: |
| 11:11.43 | berkel | procmail: Lock failure on "/var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam/.lock" |
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| 11:11.45 | berkel | procmail: Unable to treat as directory "/var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam" |
| 11:11.55 | wols | if you start some program inside a screen, you can detach that screen and the program will still run |
| 11:12.03 | delire | norc: lenny/sid |
| 11:12.06 | |DuReX| | i know wols |
| 11:12.07 | wols | you can then later reattach and check its prograss or whatever |
| 11:12.10 | norc | berkel: maybe because /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam is a file, not a directory. |
| 11:12.18 | norc | berkel: Make sure it is a directory. ;) |
| 11:12.18 | Dave2 | I believe that they mean that they want to move a currently running process into a new screen session... |
| 11:12.19 | |DuReX| | but i didn't start it in a scren |
| 11:12.22 | |DuReX| | screen |
| 11:12.26 | berkel | norc...spam is a directory |
| 11:12.31 | |DuReX| | is there a way to put a running command in a screen ? |
| 11:12.32 | wols | dunker: no |
| 11:12.33 | norc | berkel: proper permissions? |
| 11:12.40 | berkel | i test 777 |
| 11:12.46 | berkel | in procmailrc i set |
| 11:12.48 | berkel | :0: |
| 11:12.48 | berkel | * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes |
| 11:12.49 | berkel | /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam/ |
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| 11:13.03 | berkel | it's right? |
| 11:13.26 | norc | berkel: as long as it is really a directory.. looks correct to me |
| 11:13.37 | scx | |DuReX|: I don't think so |
| 11:13.47 | |DuReX| | damn :( |
| 11:13.53 | berkel | norc i don't understund |
| 11:14.02 | wols | berkel: procmail can't create/access the .lock file and that creates an error |
| 11:14.04 | tarzeau | someone tried zattoo.com on linux w/ wine? |
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| 11:14.30 | fengor | anyone here that knows a documentation of growisofs/mkisofs error codes? I have problems burning a dvd undr debian etch. tried the manpages of growisofs aand mkisofs to see what the error is exactly but didnt found anything useful. Outpuf of growiso command and mediainfo is under: http://pastebin.ca/460908. Pointers to helpful documentation are much appreciated. |
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| 11:14.41 | norc | berkel: file /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam < what does that command return? |
| 11:14.46 | fengor | oh tried googling for the error message too of course |
| 11:14.55 | tarzeau | !utsl |
| 11:14.55 | dpkg | hmm... utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 11:14.58 | tarzeau | fengor: for you! |
| 11:15.03 | berkel | linuxserv:/home/fabio # file /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam |
| 11:15.03 | berkel | /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam: directory |
| 11:15.34 | berkel | wols: .lock file don't exist |
| 11:15.54 | wols | tarzeau: "You have been added to the Zattoo invitation waitlist. When Zattoo becomes available to you.." |
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| 11:16.21 | tarzeau | wols: it's available here, i can send you the .exe if you want to try... or you just wait i'm trying :) |
| 11:16.31 | berkel | i have set 777 permission on /var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam |
| 11:16.44 | wols | tarzeau: I simply want to watch arte, that's all :) |
| 11:16.54 | tarzeau | wols: cool! let me give you the exe |
| 11:17.08 | berkel | procmail: Error while writing to "/var/spool/imap/user/fabio/spam" |
| 11:17.09 | berkel | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.27 | scx | berkel: what a madness |
| 11:17.45 | scx | berkel: don't do that |
| 11:17.50 | Octopssy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.55 | norc | berkel: The documentation says the following about your previous error: Either the suffix on "x" would indicate that it should be an MH or maildir folder, or it was listed as an second folder into which to link, but it already exists and is not a directory. |
| 11:17.59 | tarzeau | Octopssy: fdisk -l |
| 11:18.00 | scx | berkel: did you verify the lock file ? |
| 11:18.01 | wols | Octopssy: cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:18.10 | tarzeau | wols: pity it doesn't work on wine (sarge) |
| 11:18.11 | norc | berkel: So I guess it should be a MH or maildir folder. |
| 11:18.15 | delire | hmm.. annoying that a libc6 upgrade wants to take out my trusty kernel-image-2.4.27-1-386 (along with util-linux). i liked that old horse. |
| 11:18.20 | Octopssy | thx |
| 11:18.26 | wols | tarzeau: sarge wine is pretty much ossified |
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| 11:18.31 | norc | delire: How painful ;-) |
| 11:18.36 | berkel | norc. is a maildir folder. how can verify the lock file? |
| 11:18.37 | wols | get some version from this millenium |
| 11:18.39 | scx | berkel: maybe there's another process already accessing the mail, and is using a process lock |
| 11:18.46 | wols | tarzeau: how will you send it? |
| 11:18.47 | tarzeau | wols: let me try it on sid.... |
| 11:18.53 | delire | norc: we've been through some tough times, me and Smokey. |
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| 11:19.03 | norc | scx: then it wouldnt throw out this error |
| 11:19.06 | tarzeau | wols: http link |
| 11:19.15 | Octopssy | wols: I ment, also the sort of partitions, ext3 etc |
| 11:19.19 | Dewi | anyone happen to know of a way to make a proper dpkg package out of vmware tools? |
| 11:19.32 | tarzeau | Unhandled Exception: StackOverflowException. |
| 11:19.32 | tarzeau | wine: Unhandled exception 0xe0434f4d at address 0x7b8401c0 (thread 0017), starting debugger... |
| 11:19.33 | wols | Octopssy: only way to be sure is mount them |
| 11:19.54 | scx | Octopssy: df -h |
| 11:20.00 | mvanbaak | anyone know anything about apr_pollset support in debian ? |
| 11:20.11 | Octopssy | ok |
| 11:20.16 | wols | !tell mvanbaak about ask |
| 11:20.17 | scx | (mounted ones) |
| 11:20.29 | fengor | apt-get install source mkisofs fetches cdrkit is that correct? |
| 11:20.33 | tarzeau | wols: http://gnu.ethz.ch/Zattoo-2.2.7beta.exe |
| 11:20.44 | mvanbaak | wols ;) |
| 11:20.50 | berkel | if i set /dev/null....procmail works...:) |
| 11:20.56 | tarzeau | wols: they want an email address for registering, i can register your email if you want, tell me your email please? |
| 11:21.03 | mvanbaak | I simply want to know wether it is supported |
| 11:21.11 | wols | 15MB? quite a lot. windows bloat, DRM, spyware.... I guess all that stuff needs lots of bytes |
| 11:21.16 | Octopssy | wols: I mounted the partitions, but where can I see the type now? |
| 11:21.27 | tarzeau | wols: it's using p2p it seems, but works quite well |
| 11:21.29 | wols | tarzeau: wols@sogetthis.com |
| 11:21.34 | tarzeau | wols: on mac os x and windows ... |
| 11:21.40 | wols | tarzeau: I won't give people like that my real mail addy :) |
| 11:21.41 | mvanbaak | I'm trying to get apache2-mpm-event |
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| 11:21.50 | berkel | norc. how can verify the lock file? |
| 11:22.25 | norc | berkel: I'm thinking about your problem, ok? :-) |
| 11:22.34 | norc | (Gotta go get a coffee first) |
| 11:22.36 | wols | tarzeau: it needs account and pw |
| 11:22.38 | berkel | sorry :) ok. |
| 11:22.45 | Octopssy | wols: I mounted it, where can I see which type it is? |
| 11:22.52 | tarzeau | wols: i signed you in :) |
| 11:23.02 | tarzeau | wols: do you need the mac player too? or the vista one? |
| 11:23.12 | wols | tarzeau: no |
| 11:23.28 | tarzeau | wols: tell me when i can remove it again |
| 11:23.32 | wols | I don't have a mac or did I ever ask for a pink pony? |
| 11:23.38 | wols | you can. thanks |
| 11:23.39 | delire | hehe |
| 11:23.59 | mvanbaak | never mind |
| 11:24.00 | mvanbaak | food |
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| 11:24.01 | mvanbaak | brb |
| 11:24.15 | wols | tarzeau: they didn't send a mail tho :( |
| 11:24.29 | Dewi | anyone happen to know of a way to make a proper dpkg package out of vmware tools? |
| 11:25.08 | tarzeau | wols: they don't send mails |
| 11:25.14 | blue | where can I find changelogs for the debian security updates? |
| 11:25.21 | Dewi | if nothing else I'd like to know exactly what that perl installer script is doing |
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| 11:26.10 | norc | berkel: mind pasting your .procmailrc, I might find something in there |
| 11:26.19 | giupy | wols: must i use chown for give permission to the folder to another user ? |
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| 11:26.54 | norc | giupy: chmod for permissions, chown for owner/group :-) |
| 11:26.59 | jgonzalez | another newbie question: should I have in sources.list etch or stable? I know they're the same right now, but does it have any effect in dist-upgrade or anything else? |
| 11:27.16 | xand | jgonzalez: I suggest etch |
| 11:27.25 | giupy | norc: thanks |
| 11:27.27 | wols | giupy: you already have strangely |
| 11:27.29 | xand | jgonzalez: when lenny becomes stable it could break your install if you're not careful |
| 11:27.32 | wols | so I dunny why it wouldn't work |
| 11:27.49 | wols | giupy: just make it so that local user rik can access the directories and write to them |
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| 11:28.07 | jgonzalez | xand, ok, so always better to directly pin a release using its name to control release upgrades |
| 11:28.38 | giupy | wols: now i know what to do but don't know how :) |
| 11:29.00 | scx | o.O 4GB jumbograms! |
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| 11:29.04 | h3sp4wn | jgonzalez: If you always use upgrade not dist-upgrade (should be fine on stable) then you would be aware (loads of packages held back one day) |
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| 11:30.13 | JxMxL | i have debian sarge install cd , when i use it it run normaly but it wouldn't detect my cdrom. any idea |
| 11:30.33 | wols | JxMxL: get etch |
| 11:30.45 | JxMxL | wols is it stable |
| 11:30.47 | wols | JxMxL: you have a intel based mainbaord right? |
| 11:30.52 | tarzeau | anyone goes to www.vcfe.org this weekend? |
| 11:30.55 | wols | yes it's table for a few weeks now. see topic |
| 11:30.57 | tarzeau | RichiH_: you maybe? |
| 11:30.58 | JxMxL | wols yeah with 5 sata HDD |
| 11:31.08 | xand | JxMxL: use etch not sarge |
| 11:31.27 | JxMxL | botato worked fine but it wouldn't find data :D |
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| 11:32.04 | berkel | norc: i solved my problem |
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| 11:32.30 | norc | berkel: What was the solution? |
| 11:32.46 | berkel | i procmailrc i must set |
| 11:32.51 | berkel | * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes |
| 11:32.52 | berkel | spam |
| 11:32.54 | Octopssy | Does anyone know how to start x11vnc at a defined resolution? |
| 11:33.00 | berkel | ando not /var/spool/imap...ecc.. |
| 11:33.08 | berkel | only folder...spam :) |
| 11:33.40 | JxMxL | xammu i have 64bit capable cpu, do u download 64 or i386 ? |
| 11:34.01 | norc | berkel: Oh.. of course. :& |
| 11:34.10 | JxMxL | do i download the normal iso or the 64 ? |
| 11:34.20 | norc | JxMxL: Preferrably the 64bit iso. ;-) |
| 11:34.38 | xand | that depends what you're doing... if it's a server 64-bit's ok |
| 11:34.50 | JxMxL | xand squid server |
| 11:34.51 | wols | oc!amd64 |
| 11:34.53 | wols | !amd64 |
| 11:34.53 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
| 11:35.05 | xand | JxMxL: 64-bit will probably be fine |
| 11:35.16 | wols | JxMxL: how much RAM does the machine have? |
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| 11:35.24 | JxMxL | 2gb |
| 11:35.30 | wols | use i386 then |
| 11:35.51 | berkel | norc: the problem isn't solved... |
| 11:35.58 | wols | you will be limited by your NIC(s) anyways, no matter what you run |
| 11:36.01 | berkel | becouse now i don't get error... |
| 11:36.10 | berkel | but mail wasn't write in spam folder |
| 11:36.12 | berkel | :/ |
| 11:36.13 | JxMxL | NIC ? |
| 11:36.22 | wols | network card(s) |
| 11:36.23 | wols | !nic |
| 11:36.23 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 11:36.29 | JxMxL | its 1gb |
| 11:36.39 | wols | doesn't matter. your cpu will be faster |
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| 11:36.57 | JxMxL | so i386 is fine |
| 11:37.01 | wols | yes |
| 11:37.19 | JxMxL | netinstall is the best as i see :) |
| 11:37.43 | wols | yes it is |
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| 11:38.18 | wols | hmmm... would that work: game server - ssh portforward - socks server - game"? |
| 11:38.50 | h3sp4wn | JxMxL: For squid you might want reiserfs (Only thing I would use it for as the data is not important and worse comes to worst you just rebuild the cache) |
| 11:39.12 | JxMxL | h3sp4wn i have 5 hdd sata2 200GB |
| 11:39.46 | h3sp4wn | JxMxL: and you need a 1TB cache ? (the machine is only for this ?) |
| 11:40.00 | JxMxL | h3sp4wn yeah thats all |
| 11:40.05 | xored | guys iam using a samba server and mounting some drives to my gentoo client ( samba server is debian )...but now i cant use svn...it fails to write in .svn/tmp or something..i guess its a file locking problem or ? I can use it when trying it locally |
| 11:40.08 | wols | h3sp4wn: what's the reasonf or reiser? many smallish files? |
| 11:40.12 | wiedenmann | what text program should I use to sum the first column of an (ascii) data file and divide the first column by the sum (aka I wanna normalize the first column to 1). |
| 11:40.32 | xand | xored: I wouldn't use samba between linux machines... use nfs or sfs |
| 11:41.25 | h3sp4wn | wols: loads of small files - disposable data |
| 11:41.55 | JxMxL | so i use reiserfs for the hdds, |
| 11:42.02 | wols | h3sp4wn: except for the badblocks thing I never had a problem with reiser strangely |
| 11:42.12 | wols | but I had e.g. xfs corrupt my files |
| 11:42.28 | |DuReX| | i'm fscking for 20hours :( gtg home now :( so i prolly need to restart it :( |
| 11:42.29 | |DuReX| | fuck :( |
| 11:42.37 | wols | kubrick: you install debian on ext3, but the squid cache itself should be on its own partition (via lvm) and use reiser |
| 11:42.42 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: awk |
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| 11:43.10 | kubrick | wols: sorry ? |
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| 11:43.46 | JxMxL | downloading the netinstall iso i386 |
| 11:43.48 | wols | kubrick: j and k are too near to each other. should have been JxMxL |
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| 11:44.21 | JxMxL | wols i will use debian on ext3, and for cache drives i will use reiserfs |
| 11:44.29 | kairu0 | wols, why should squid be reiser? |
| 11:44.43 | livadic`cvetko | guys can anyone answer the question how to solve problem when it says "too many links" like the maximum allowed number is reached ? |
| 11:44.44 | kubrick | I was not paying attention |
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| 11:45.03 | kairu0 | oops sorry didnt read back far enough |
| 11:45.04 | kairu0 | haha |
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| 11:47.28 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: are you an awk freak, could you help/code that for me? |
| 11:49.14 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: sure, i love awk! |
| 11:49.22 | Dewi | anyone know of any good strategies for spying efficiently on those alien installer perl scripts? |
| 11:49.28 | Dewi | seeing *exactly* how they are messing with the system? |
| 11:49.42 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: count together the first column and divide by the number of counts? |
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| 11:49.45 | azeem | Dewi: what alien installer perl scripts? |
| 11:49.57 | Dewi | azeem: installers for anything that isn't in debian |
| 11:50.02 | Dewi | azeem: in this case, vmware tools |
| 11:50.20 | Dewi | azeem: but it's not like having them fail to work, or even break my system, is a rare thing |
| 11:50.26 | azeem | and they're always written in perl? |
| 11:50.33 | Dewi | azeem: the deadlier ones are. |
| 11:50.34 | Dewi | :) |
| 11:50.37 | azeem | aha |
| 11:51.07 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: something like this? cat list2 | awk '{n=n+$1;lines++}END{printf "%0.3f\n",n/lines}' |
| 11:51.51 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: yes, my data looks like "106 1 ..\n 54131 2 ...\n and so on" and i want to have "106/total_sum 1 ...\n 54131/total_sum 2 ...\n" |
| 11:52.09 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: then try the line i gave you above |
| 11:53.12 | nunu | how do I backup my system ? can I make a tar.bz2 like: tar -cjf backup.tar.bz2 -T files-to-safe to do that? what about linked files and user rights, will they still be available when I restore that backup ? |
| 11:53.18 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: no, let me prepare a paste for explenation. |
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| 11:54.49 | nunu | I'm not very used to tar :/ |
| 11:55.06 | xand | nunu: what medium are you backing up to? |
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| 11:56.29 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/p/vaofJC52.html |
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| 11:57.47 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: care to find out what my awk line does? |
| 11:58.44 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: I was reading it, maybe I made a mistake, let me try it |
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| 11:59.23 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: maybe you can just tell what you want to calculate |
| 11:59.29 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: because i can't see that from your data |
| 12:02.17 | wiedenmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.14 | jgonzalez | nunu, it depends a lot on your system... you may want to take a look at amanda or bacula if you're doing this in a "serious" environment |
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| 12:06.07 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: ok what about this: cat list2 | awk -vsum=`cat list2 | awk '{n=n+$1;lines++}END{printf "%0.3f\n",n}'` '{printf "%0.20f %1.0f %0.20f %0.20f\n",$1/sum,$2,$3,$4}' |
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| 12:08.55 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: works for me, great! thanks a lot I |
| 12:10.39 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: you're welcome |
| 12:10.39 | builderman | Can anyone confirm that they have Tanberg RDX QuickStor SATA backup devices working OK with Etch or Sarge? We are considering using them. Have you any other insights on these? |
| 12:11.18 | scx | *finally! |
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| 12:12.29 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:12.29 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to install debian etch on an old sun ultra5? |
| 12:12.44 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: yeah, what's the problem? got netboot? |
| 12:12.55 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: ultras are not old, they are new :) |
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| 12:13.37 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: got a cdrom |
| 12:13.46 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: but can you not install using netboot? |
| 12:13.56 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: i mean do you have a working debian machine? |
| 12:14.00 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I burn the netinst cd and trying to boot it from openboot |
| 12:14.05 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: can you install dhcp3-server and tftpd? |
| 12:14.12 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: by saying boot cdrom ? |
| 12:14.18 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:14.19 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: and then what happens? |
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| 12:14.22 | The_Ball__ | Is it possible to list the package version history for a system? The last upgrade I did have clamscan hanging at 100%cpu time and taking my server down, so I would like to revert to the previous version of clamav |
| 12:14.35 | tarzeau | The_Ball__: see /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 12:14.37 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: illegal instruction after loading initrd |
| 12:14.43 | tarzeau | The_Ball__: only manually. downgrades are not supported |
| 12:15.02 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: so the cd doesn't work? can you install do a boot net installation? it's really simple |
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| 12:15.18 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: :( netboot? |
| 12:15.53 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: yes, do you have a debian computer that works? |
| 12:16.02 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:16.11 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: with dhcp and tftp enabled |
| 12:16.13 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: did you apt-get install tftpd dhcp3-server on it? |
| 12:16.21 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: sure |
| 12:16.26 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: great, now get this file and put it into your tftp directory: |
| 12:16.52 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: on that ultra5 I got solaris 10 or shall I say slowlaris? |
| 12:17.04 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/boot.img |
| 12:17.19 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: it doesn't matter go into the bootprompt and tell me what .idprom says |
| 12:17.23 | denken | is there some compat lib that can be installed to make firefox 2 (binary download) work under etch amd64? i keep getting "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0". I've tried searching debian lists, google, mozilla.com, etc. but i cant find anything amd64 specific. |
| 12:17.27 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: do you know the mac address of it? |
| 12:17.39 | denken | obviously, libgtk2.0-0 is already installed :P |
| 12:17.47 | h3sp4wn | denken: ai32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 12:17.49 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: and do you have a free ip address? |
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| 12:17.58 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: and a name for the machine? |
| 12:18.05 | The_Ball__ | tarzeau, unfortunately /var/log/dpkg.log: No such file or directory |
| 12:18.12 | tarzeau | The_Ball__: you're still on sarge? |
| 12:18.45 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: yes a bunch of free ip addresses |
| 12:18.58 | The_Ball__ | tarzeau, yes, this is on sarge |
| 12:19.23 | denken | h3sp4wn: Package ia32-libs-gtk is not available (according to apt)... at least i know where to start looking now |
| 12:19.26 | denken | thanks :) |
| 12:20.11 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: how can I know the mac address? |
| 12:20.33 | h3sp4wn | !info ia32-libs-gtk |
| 12:20.36 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: from boot prom |
| 12:21.22 | denken | h3sp4wn: appears its only available in unstable atm... hrm. |
| 12:21.27 | jetscreamer | more like apt-cache search libgtk | grep ia32 isn't it |
| 12:21.29 | h3sp4wn | actually maybe it won't show it up (its not on i386) but I definately have it with sid amd64 |
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| 12:22.40 | yalu | hello folks. I just put a system's root partition on lvm... I have trouble booting it. the kernel boots and stops with a message "waiting for root file system". I can see it initialise device-mapper and I know the ram disk contains the vgchange binary though |
| 12:22.53 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: ??? |
| 12:23.08 | h3sp4wn | denken: try a simple sid backport |
| 12:23.16 | h3sp4wn | denken: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:23.56 | piti | Hi, I want to access to ntfs partitions. what shall I do to ? |
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| 12:24.04 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: type .idprom |
| 12:24.12 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: or .ether i don't remember |
| 12:24.25 | x_link | /dev/hda: Timing cached reads: 2012 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1006.72 MB/sec |
| 12:24.28 | x_link | Is that fast? |
| 12:24.29 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: .idprom |
| 12:24.53 | infester | piti: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 12:24.57 | infester | do you have ntfs in there? |
| 12:25.20 | The_Ball__ | tarzeau, /var/cache/apt/archives/*clam* gave me the info i needed anyways |
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| 12:25.53 | piti | infester: there isn't ntfs in it. |
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| 12:26.19 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: boot net? |
| 12:26.28 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: no .idprom |
| 12:26.34 | infester | piti: that means you need to get ntfs support in your kernel... have you compiled it manually? |
| 12:26.35 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: in the open boot promp of course, not here |
| 12:26.48 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: to boot from dhcp I mean |
| 12:27.06 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: hey, you teached me some awk recently; i just found a nice way to replace {printf "%0.20f %1.0f %0.20f %0.20f\n",$1/sum,$2,$3,$4 by '{$1=sprintf("%0.20f",$1/sum); print }' no biggy but maybe nice to know |
| 12:27.07 | piti | I don't, I've installed debian from the internet with a mini cd image |
| 12:27.08 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: no, you need to configure the boot server first |
| 12:27.13 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: do you have the free ip? |
| 12:27.18 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: yes |
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| 12:27.41 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: interesting, so you don't need the other stuff aside the normalized value |
| 12:27.43 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: one could even avoid the sprintf and then it would be $1=$1/sum; rpint |
| 12:27.44 | infester | guys, is there any patches for ntfs in debian or does he have to compile it with support manually? |
| 12:27.54 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: true, awk is nice |
| 12:28.06 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: yes, i just wanted to let you know, thanks man |
| 12:28.07 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 12:28.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 12:28.11 | jetscreamer | !fuse |
| 12:28.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 12:28.19 | infester | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 12:28.23 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: oh you do physics too. what are you working on? |
| 12:28.23 | infester | piti: there you'll go |
| 12:28.44 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: hey, i do some liquid gas transition on 2 dimensional Ising models. what about you? |
| 12:28.46 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: using rarp |
| 12:28.58 | x_link | hdparm -T /dev/hda. Is that the speed of the harddrive or the RAM? |
| 12:28.59 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: how did you know? |
| 12:29.26 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: but client answer "Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet" |
| 12:29.33 | Worcwin | your hostmask, wiedenmann :) |
| 12:29.42 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: hehe just the informatics stuff. from your /whois (physik.leipzig something) we have astro and theoretical as well as cern people here (some need boost, others alps, and some lhapdf, root etc)... we've got 160 debian workstations |
| 12:29.56 | infester | :D |
| 12:29.57 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: yes because it doesn't know it wants to boot |
| 12:29.59 | delire | tarzeau: nice |
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| 12:30.21 | delire | tarzeau: where is this? |
| 12:30.23 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: edit /etc/ethers /etc/hosts and setup the symlink in your tftp directory. you know how to use a sniffer? (like tcpdump or ngrep)? |
| 12:30.24 | HD|Laptop | !alsa-one-liner? |
| 12:30.38 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: no |
| 12:30.49 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: I love the computer science and IT stuff as much as I like the actual physics. I bet you have a great working place |
| 12:31.00 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: where you from? |
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| 12:32.14 | tarzeau | delire: www.phys.ethz.ch and nic.phys.ethz.ch |
| 12:32.22 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: living in switzerland |
| 12:32.26 | delire | wiedenmann: leipzig is a strange town. i was there for the GC |
| 12:32.29 | indraveni | hi, again I am back with the same error |
| 12:32.40 | indraveni | the gconftool command out error message |
| 12:32.53 | indraveni | I used the gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme Crux --type=string |
| 12:32.53 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.21 | jetscreamer | trying to not use a gui, like gconf-editor ? |
| 12:33.26 | raynchk | hi! I just installed debian 4 and want to know the best way to get a kde desktop. Use Synaptic and install kde-desktop? Or is there a better way? |
| 12:33.28 | indraveni | and it is showing the error message like........... Error setting value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Can't overwrite existing read-only value: Value for `/desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme' set in a read-only source at the front of your configuration path |
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| 12:33.48 | tarzeau | delire: where are you, near berlin? |
| 12:33.50 | indraveni | jetscreamer, yes, I want to do from command prompt |
| 12:33.56 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: i'm going to www.vcfe.org this weekend, you? |
| 12:34.13 | HD|Laptop | hi |
| 12:34.14 | jetscreamer | raynchk: apt-get install kde or kde-desktop, et al |
| 12:34.17 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: do you use distributed computing? debian at your workplace? |
| 12:34.20 | HD|Laptop | i have problem |
| 12:34.30 | HD|Laptop | i have a ESS1878 |
| 12:34.37 | jetscreamer | raynchk: note that you may get kde* with the kde metapackage |
| 12:34.38 | HD|Laptop | modprobe snd-es18xx fails |
| 12:34.59 | HD|Laptop | no such device present |
| 12:34.59 | HD|Laptop | but i know there IS this device |
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| 12:34.59 | raynchk | jetscreamer: thanks. wish the installer would give me a choice.. Is this the influence of ubuntu? |
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| 12:35.17 | jetscreamer | no it's been like that since before ubuntu existed |
| 12:35.36 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: I dont go to vcfe. we have a cluster and some big machines. At the moment I dont use the cluster much and I dont know how fast they are but I think they got a lot of cpu power there. Debian everywhere, of course, what else? |
| 12:35.46 | jetscreamer | raynchk: i always take all those check boxes off when i install, in tasksel |
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| 12:35.58 | delire | tarzeau: in Berlin, yep. based here for the time being. |
| 12:35.59 | HD|Laptop | !ping |
| 12:35.59 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:36.00 | jetscreamer | then install what i wish |
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| 12:36.14 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: maybe it's already loaded? |
| 12:36.29 | xored | which is the current etch kernel version ? |
| 12:36.33 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep snd |
| 12:36.36 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: if you load a module which is loaded, no error appears |
| 12:36.39 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18-4 iirc |
| 12:36.40 | tarzeau | delire: coming to www.vcfe.org ? |
| 12:36.56 | Worcwin | Folks, I have a problem with a hardware raid controller (Intel SRCU31) that I just can't get to work. The last Debian drivers made for it were for 2.2.6, so those are useless. It is also supposed to work with I2O, which is standard issue in Debian, but it doesn't. Does anyone have a fresh idea on what I could do? |
| 12:36.58 | raynchk | Jetscreamer: first time I've run debian in a looong time. I did a netinstall and it was pretty slick. Do you know where to find a script to remove gnome? |
| 12:37.02 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: I gtg, eating, was nice to meet you! |
| 12:37.03 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: ok, i search a pastebin |
| 12:37.03 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: very cool, are you listed at www.debian.org/users too? |
| 12:37.10 | wiedenmann | tarzeau: no |
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| 12:37.18 | indraveni | what may be the problem with my gconftool command? |
| 12:37.20 | tarzeau | wiedenmann: guten appetit |
| 12:37.26 | wiedenmann | :-) |
| 12:37.46 | delire | tarzeau: hah didn't know about it. looks fun. |
| 12:37.59 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: try snd_ not snd- |
| 12:38.10 | xored | jetscreamer: somehow its not shown in my package list..i still use the sarge one ...what could be wrong ? |
| 12:38.12 | tarzeau | delire: i'll have a GNUSTEP t-shirt on |
| 12:38.19 | delire | tarzeau: :) |
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| 12:38.48 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: http://p.defau.lt/?NXoOVNsHFEfEjzAsK7iGxQ |
| 12:38.52 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.18 sarge |
| 12:39.10 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: same |
| 12:39.12 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-image-2.6.18' returned no results. |
| 12:39.13 | HD|Laptop | FATAL: Error inserting snd_es18xx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/sound/isa/snd-es18xx.ko): No such device |
| 12:39.16 | HD|Laptop | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_es18xx |
| 12:39.26 | jetscreamer | omg i think i was wrong |
| 12:39.30 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 12:39.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:39.35 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.18 etch |
| 12:39.37 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 12:39.44 | delire | tarzeau: i'd like to go - wish i'd known about it earlier - but i'm attending a workshop by a friend here in Berlin tomorrow.. |
| 12:39.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux-image-2.6.18' (1): (/usr/lib/fai/kernel/linux-image-2.6.18-fai-kernels_1_i386.deb) in admin/fai-kernels. |
| 12:40.54 | tarzeau | delire: that's fine (sunday also?) |
| 12:41.07 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: do you know what could cause that?? |
| 12:41.22 | raynchk | anyone here using verizon wireless w/etch? |
| 12:41.34 | xored | jetscreamer: is there an tutorial to upgrade the sarge kernel to the etch kernel ? iam used to it only under gentoo |
| 12:41.43 | HD|Laptop | raynchk: verizon wlan card or what? |
| 12:41.46 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 12:41.57 | delire | tarzeau: ok.. i'll mention a sunday trip to my wife ;) |
| 12:42.08 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: nothing. but the card is a ISA card |
| 12:42.11 | raynchk | HDLaptop: evdo 5740 is what I have I think |
| 12:42.12 | tarzeau | delire: :) you don't have to |
| 12:42.13 | HD|Laptop | s/card/chip |
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| 12:42.32 | artagnon | What's the best way to replicate a DVD? And I don't mean a data DVD |
| 12:42.38 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: it's a compaq armada 7770dmt...these things have their sound chips as ISA |
| 12:42.43 | formorer | artagnon: dvdbackup |
| 12:42.44 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: ahhhh |
| 12:43.04 | artagnon | formorer: It writes the whole format to hard disk, right? And then use it to burn? |
| 12:43.11 | artagnon | *And then burn it? |
| 12:43.11 | raynchk | I haven't been able to get more than 50MB down speeds with it |
| 12:43.13 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: you may have to set the irq and stuff manually, at the end of the modprobe line |
| 12:43.32 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: i'm not sure at all.. i did an isa nic once |
| 12:43.33 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: ok...do you know a manpage or so for this module? |
| 12:43.36 | formorer | artagnon: there examples for the whole process in the manpage. You can then use growisofs to burn it |
| 12:43.50 | artagnon | Thanks |
| 12:44.12 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: also, not sure but you might check your kernel config.. /boot/config-whatever |
| 12:44.23 | jetscreamer | for the isa alsa stuff |
| 12:44.29 | HD|Laptop | ok |
| 12:44.30 | raynchk | thanks for your help, guys! |
| 12:44.32 | jetscreamer | or you might try oss |
| 12:45.18 | HD|Laptop | jetscreamer: ISA itself is enabled |
| 12:45.19 | x_link | How do I update GRUB? |
| 12:45.41 | HD|Laptop | and CONFIG_SND_ES18XX=m |
| 12:47.38 | jetscreamer | xored: linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7, et al... apt-get update, maybe? |
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| 12:47.39 | rellik_ | I think my harddrive went bad.. I'm getting a bunch of "ERROR: cannot open ...".. and when I go into a dir that I know has files and 'ls' is is empty.. is there any way to recover ? |
| 12:47.39 | HD|Laptop | rellik_: reboot. I have that problem sometimes too... |
| 12:47.39 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: have you tried fsck ? (safest from a live cd - with -f) |
| 12:47.40 | HD|Laptop | i reboot and it works always again then |
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| 12:47.41 | jetscreamer | yes just turning the box off for a while can help flaky hd's to read |
| 12:47.41 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: but if you remount it ro you can do it also if its very inpractical |
| 12:47.43 | jetscreamer | sometimes |
| 12:47.48 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, the drive is not my OS.. so could I just unmount it and run fsck, just as safely? |
| 12:47.59 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: Yes |
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| 12:48.31 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: (presuming it is a linux filesystem) not ntfs fuse or anything |
| 12:48.33 | rellik_ | I suppose I should try unmount/fsck first, then reboot, right? |
| 12:48.39 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, yeah ext3 |
| 12:48.44 | denken | h3sp4wn: will do. thanks for your help :) |
| 12:49.45 | h3sp4wn | denken: or if you were feeling particularly lazy you could probably directly install the version that was in sid at the time of the release of etch (from snapshot.debian.net) |
| 12:50.09 | denken | yea i considered that too |
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| 12:50.19 | denken | i get it installed one way or another |
| 12:50.22 | denken | s/i/ill |
| 12:50.35 | rellik_ | if I can't unmount because "device is busy", can I safely use "-l"? I usually use it, but it's never been clear to me if it is potentially harmful |
| 12:51.07 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: i'm not sure, but the actuall isa module 'may' be named snd-es18xx |
| 12:51.29 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: Try to find out what is using it first |
| 12:51.33 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: when i enable isa in my kernel, i get the isa alsa stuff |
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| 12:51.50 | jetscreamer | (menuconfig) |
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| 12:52.21 | jetscreamer | isa alsa in the sound section.. and i DID have snd_es18xx already |
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| 12:53.32 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, 'lsof +D /mnt/hdc1' ? |
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| 12:54.06 | rpc | what would that one do? |
| 12:54.17 | rpc | i'm becoming a fan of lsof lately.. |
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| 12:54.37 | rellik_ | I'm trying to find out why I can't unmout /mnt/hdc1 |
| 12:54.38 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: /dev/hdc1 |
| 12:54.51 | rpc | rellik_ oh just lsof /dev/hdc1 then |
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| 12:55.01 | jetscreamer | HD|Laptop: CONFIG_ISA=y CONFIG_EISA=y ? |
| 12:55.13 | rpc | rellik_ see how many processes on that list |
| 12:55.24 | rellik_ | ahhh.. OODraw :) |
| 12:55.29 | ve1drg | Isn't Debian nice!! |
| 12:55.32 | rpc | rellik_ kill the sucker :) |
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| 12:55.45 | rellik_ | rpc, rather save/quit :) |
| 12:55.49 | rpc | rellik_ he he |
| 12:55.49 | dutchfish | hi, how can i define more the 2 dns servers and let my client check them in a certain order if for example the first one doesnt fail but cant answer the dns query, without using recursion? |
| 12:56.01 | rellik_ | rpc, well, the save failed... :( |
| 12:56.11 | rpc | rellik_ why would it fail? |
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| 12:56.23 | crm_ | hi.. i want to install elive (debian base) to a windows machine.. but i dont know how to repartition my existing hdd without losing all the data? |
| 12:56.23 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: You wouldn't want to be running fsck with that still open |
| 12:56.28 | rpc | ve1drg yes it is |
| 12:56.32 | rellik_ | rpc, hard drive is having problems.. that's why I'm trying to unmount it |
| 12:56.49 | rpc | h3sp4wn he wouldn't want to fsck a mounted fs in fact.. |
| 12:57.00 | rpc | rellik_ do not write to that drive anymore |
| 12:57.02 | crm_ | anyone suggest a way to repartition a windows hdd without losing data.. i've seen partition magic and the like.. but don't want to spend money on it |
| 12:57.12 | rellik_ | rpc, yeah, that's why I'm trying to unmount it |
| 12:57.13 | rpc | just quit that app unless it's some really important stuff to save |
| 12:57.17 | yalu | crm_: parted |
| 12:57.21 | rpc | umount it asap |
| 12:57.26 | yalu | crm_: and partition magic is unreliable crap |
| 12:57.28 | rellik_ | rpc, of save it to a different drive :) |
| 12:57.33 | rpc | yalu agreed. |
| 12:57.38 | rpc | rellik_ yes. |
| 12:57.39 | h3sp4wn | rpc: I know but he asked about a lazy unmount |
| 12:57.50 | rpc | h3sp4wn ok |
| 12:57.56 | rpc | rellik_ is that ext3? |
| 12:58.00 | h3sp4wn | rpc: lazy unmounting that with oo open on it would be asking for trouble |
| 12:58.10 | rpc | h3sp4wn oh that's right |
| 12:58.46 | rpc | h3sp4wn i remember the first time when i tried to umount something and it kept telling me how busy that thing was... horrible |
| 12:58.57 | rpc | h3sp4wn umount should really offer some ideas in such case |
| 12:59.02 | ragno2 | is it possible to install lenny without installing etch first? |
| 12:59.05 | rellik_ | rpc, not sure.. when I try to check using 'fdisk /dev/hdc' I get 'unable to read /dev/hdc' |
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| 12:59.24 | rpc | rellik_ fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 12:59.28 | rpc | what does it say? |
| 12:59.30 | crm_ | yalu .. parted doesnt look like it runs under windows? |
| 12:59.35 | rellik_ | rpc, I already unmounted it |
| 12:59.41 | Sebboh | Hi, question. If I want to buy a video card, and my number one concern is compatibility with my linux system, which video card do I buy? Or, can you at least tell me what brand? Also.. Uh.. wtf is dri? :/ It's been a while since I've been in a GUI. =) |
| 12:59.49 | rpc | rellik_ hdc is a drive, not partition, just do what i told you :) |
| 12:59.56 | rpc | and tell me if it recognises your fs there |
| 13:00.19 | rpc | ragno2 sure |
| 13:00.33 | rpc | ragno2 but do you really need lenny? |
| 13:00.37 | yalu | crm_: run it under a live distro |
| 13:00.38 | rellik_ | rpc, oops, misread :) |
| 13:00.38 | rellik_ | rpc: cannot open /dev/hdc |
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| 13:00.52 | rpc | rellik_ fdisk -l says cannot open the device? |
| 13:01.02 | crm_ | yalu .. ok |
| 13:01.04 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: needs to be as root |
| 13:01.05 | rellik_ | rpc roger |
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| 13:01.22 | rpc | rellik_ as h3sp4wn suggested - are you root? |
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| 13:01.31 | rellik_ | rpc, h3sp4wn doing it as root gives no errors |
| 13:01.40 | ragno2 | rpc: yes, I want to try something more newer than packages in etch... |
| 13:01.41 | rpc | rellik_ so what fs is there? |
| 13:01.52 | rpc | ragno2 you can always backport in etch |
| 13:01.53 | rellik_ | rpc, it doesn't say anyting |
| 13:02.02 | rpc | rellik_ just nothing? |
| 13:02.07 | rellik_ | rpc, just nothing |
| 13:02.10 | rellik_ | rpc, but no error |
| 13:02.12 | rpc | hot damn. |
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| 13:02.33 | rpc | h3sp4wn what do you say? isn't it the MBR that got corrupted? |
| 13:02.35 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: have you unmounted it now ? |
| 13:02.43 | rpc | h3sp4wn he said he did |
| 13:02.47 | Sebboh | eh brb |
| 13:02.52 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, yeah |
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| 13:03.09 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: and what does fsck -f /dev/hdc1 (do) |
| 13:03.14 | h3sp4wn | (as root) |
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| 13:03.23 | rpc | h3sp4wn i suspect it will say some crap :/ |
| 13:03.28 | ragno2 | rpc: ok, but if I want to try lenny, how can I install it? |
| 13:03.41 | rpc | ragno2 just get the iso and install off it |
| 13:03.45 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: what does smart say ? |
| 13:03.59 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: (install smartmon-tools) |
| 13:04.03 | ragno2 | rpc: the weekly snapshot? |
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| 13:04.18 | rpc | ragno2 you want an iso or net install? |
| 13:04.39 | crm_ | does parted have a gui yalu ? |
| 13:04.41 | ragno2 | rpc: a net install if possible |
| 13:04.50 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: smartctl -d ata /dev/hdc -l error (again as root) |
| 13:04.55 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, fsck -f: fsck.ext3: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hdc1; Could this be a zero-length partition?" |
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| 13:05.00 | wols | crm_: gparted |
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| 13:05.07 | rpc | ragno2 so weekly snapshot, yes |
| 13:05.17 | crm_ | no.. is there a cli gui.. thing? |
| 13:05.19 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: Looks like a hardware issue (smart should confirm it) |
| 13:05.29 | crm_ | a gui in a console.. like aptitude |
| 13:05.34 | ragno2 | rpc: I just tried with the weekly snapshot, but it doesn't works... |
| 13:05.40 | rpc | h3sp4wn isn't that the MBR that went crazy? |
| 13:06.00 | Dantix | hi all, is it possible to do NAT with only one network card with 2 ip addresses loaded? |
| 13:06.08 | h3sp4wn | rpc: could be a few things - the smart error log is as good as anything for seeing what |
| 13:06.32 | rpc | h3sp4wn oh ok that's right |
| 13:06.36 | Worcwin | Dantix: should be |
| 13:06.47 | fireba11 | question: on the shell 'date +%Y-%m-%d' gives me a nce date string .. who do i get the string for say .. 15 days ago ? :-D |
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| 13:07.09 | tarzeau | fireba11: -d-15days |
| 13:07.31 | ragno2 | rpc: the problem is that in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ there isn't the script "lenny" |
| 13:07.38 | rpc | rellik_ did you try changing the cable? |
| 13:07.44 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, SMART support is: Ambiguous - ATA IDENTIFY DEVICE words 82-83 don't show if SMART supported. |
| 13:07.44 | rellik_ | A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting. To continue, add one or more '-T permissive' options. |
| 13:07.45 | Dantix | Worcwin: any clue of how? |
| 13:07.49 | rpc | could be as silly as broken hdd cable |
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| 13:08.02 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: You have to turn it on first |
| 13:08.20 | fireba11 | tarzeau: oww ..neat, thanks |
| 13:08.43 | fireba11 | tarzeau: didn't knwo that counds as "date described as string" :-) |
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| 13:08.46 | fireba11 | counts |
| 13:09.08 | tarzeau | fireba11: it even knows about tomorrow and yesterday :) like amiga |
| 13:09.10 | h3sp4wn | rellik_: smartctl -d ata /dev/hdc --smart=on |
| 13:09.36 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, same error |
| 13:09.53 | h3sp4wn | Is it a particularly old drive ? |
| 13:10.00 | rellik_ | h3sp4wn, a few years old |
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| 13:10.33 | nunu | xand, I want to remake my partition table,.. and just copy that backup to the partition I won't format |
| 13:10.44 | rpc | tarzeau amiga.. still got all the games handy :) |
| 13:11.05 | rpc | rellik_ i still think it could be the cable or the plug |
| 13:11.09 | rpc | try changing it |
| 13:11.33 | rellik_ | alright.. rpc, h3sp4wn, I'll reboot and be back in min |
| 13:11.46 | rellik_ | (reboot and check hardward, that is) |
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| 13:12.13 | nunu | jgonzalez, its just my desktop system,.. only thing would be my samba server,... would do it with dd, but that qould meen I must have at least that much space I got now |
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| 13:12.47 | h3sp4wn | ragno2: grml-debootstrap is very nice (supports lenny also) http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap |
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| 13:13.35 | h3sp4wn | ragno2: get rid of the grml specific stuff from it (or keep the kernel if you want - its newer than lennys and has PREEMPT) |
| 13:13.39 | kelkun | hi everybody |
| 13:14.14 | kelkun | i have question.. can i have PID in log line with ulogd ?? |
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| 13:16.36 | nacer | hi |
| 13:16.41 | nacer | what is this kernel linux-image-xen-vserver-686 |
| 13:16.46 | nacer | i know xen |
| 13:16.53 | nacer | but i dont understand the vserver stuff |
| 13:17.24 | stew | nacer: vserver is a similar technology to xen. that is a kernel with both enabled |
| 13:17.33 | nacer | ok tks |
| 13:17.34 | stew | (iirc) |
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| 13:19.41 | jetscreamer | hey they're all enabled in sid :) |
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| 13:24.13 | kramed | does etch's grub have boot splash support? |
| 13:24.41 | h3sp4wn | kramed: bootsplash is a kernel patch |
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| 13:24.52 | sep | kramed, i use grub and usplash without problems |
| 13:24.58 | kramed | its a grub patch |
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| 13:25.52 | sep | that does not require kernel patching, just a initrd rebuild |
| 13:25.52 | scrillaz | where can i find lenny iso? |
| 13:25.53 | stew | scrillaz: go to debian.org, click on getting debian and look for "testing" isos |
| 13:25.56 | scrillaz | i went there but testing says etch |
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| 13:26.08 | h3sp4wn | !bootsplash |
| 13:26.08 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 13:26.33 | stew | (bootsplash is different than what he is asking about) |
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| 13:27.43 | stew | scrillaz: oh, hmm, you are right, try http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer instead |
| 13:28.06 | scrillaz | k. stew. tnx |
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| 13:28.18 | jetscreamer | it will redirect you to the correct flavor |
| 13:28.47 | pookey | hey all - does anyone know at waht stage a debian install will generate it's sshd keys? I'm working on a system without them, and I'm trying to figure out why it doesnt' have them. |
| 13:29.03 | abrotman | pookey: when you install the ssh server |
| 13:29.14 | jetscreamer | you rebooted before the installer was finished |
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| 13:29.16 | stew | pookey: the debian install doesn't install ssh, you have to install that afterwards |
| 13:29.29 | bzed | pookey: while isntalling openssh-server |
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| 13:30.09 | h3sp4wn | kramed: what exactly are you trying to do |
| 13:30.16 | pookey | not when you install 'ssh' then? |
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| 13:31.11 | rellik | h3sp4wn, rpc thanks for the help.. it seems it was a bad power cord.. replaced it and now I'm running fsck |
| 13:31.12 | stew | pookey: the 'ssh' package is just a meta-package that depends on openssh-server and openssh-client ; the keys are created when openssh-server is installed |
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| 13:31.24 | pookey | ah, so reinstalling openssh-server should re-create the keys? |
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| 13:31.42 | pookey | yes, perfect- thanks |
| 13:31.49 | crm_ | i tried a live cd to use parted but it wont recognise the hdd |
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| 13:32.50 | NeonLicht | hello, I have tried to upgrade from sarge to etch (on a sparc64 box) and I have ended up with a broken package (tetex-extra) which I cannot either remove nor reinstall (using apt or aptitude). Any hint on how to either get rid to it or get it reinstalled properly in order for the dist-upgrade to finish, please? |
| 13:32.51 | kramed | h3sp4wn: I am just looking to add a background pixmap to grub |
| 13:32.54 | jackinson | Excuse me, I have a strage problem in Debian. I am very new to Debian. May I post my 6 questino here? |
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| 13:33.38 | jackinson | I just have installed Debian 4 through Internet. But after successfull installation finish, I rebooted as said, but Debien hangs on booting. |
| 13:33.39 | jackinson | GEOMETRY (HD0) |
| 13:33.41 | jackinson | drive 0x80: C/H/S = 1023/255/63, ..... |
| 13:33.43 | jackinson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:33.44 | jackinson | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.46 | jackinson | LAST THREE LINES WHEN GOT HANG: |
| 13:33.47 | jackinson | VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/debian-root" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 13:33.49 | jackinson | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 13:33.50 | jackinson | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 13:33.52 | jackinson | ??? |
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| 13:34.23 | crm_ | yow |
| 13:34.50 | jackinson | I request somebody to help. |
| 13:35.12 | crm_ | point the lasers at the dilithium crystals |
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| 13:35.44 | rpc | rellik so changing the cable helped? |
| 13:35.46 | jetscreamer | jackinson: how many ide controllers do you have, and what kernel is it, and wtf use a paster site |
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| 13:36.04 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 13:36.04 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 13:36.09 | rpc | rellik very glad to hear that.. see how things go sometimes? :) who would believe it was a cable he he |
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| 13:36.39 | jackinson | I am sorry, I do not know about how many IDE, but two days ago I bought this new system (P4, 3.0 ghz). Kernel is 2.16.18-4-686 |
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| 13:37.09 | jetscreamer | rpc: yeh i went through some hell for a client, turned out his usb cable was borked for the printer... a while ago, it was the video cable... |
| 13:37.18 | rellik | rpc, one of the lines going to the final connector on the power cord was loose and touching the case |
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| 13:37.39 | alterlaszlo | !dpkg |
| 13:37.39 | dpkg | dpkg is a bot (me!), but more importantly it's the command which actually installs and otherwise manages Debian packages (.deb files). |
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| 13:38.11 | alterlaszlo | how can i use dpkg to find a file from a package that i've not installed |
| 13:38.13 | alterlaszlo | ? |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | alterlaszlo: did you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | or consult `man dpkg` ? |
| 13:38.40 | abrotman | or IOW .. you can't |
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| 13:38.50 | jackinson | I spent 2 hours in Internet, but I could not get any help. I think, I am the first one got this problem. |
| 13:39.07 | h3sp4wn | kramed: tried just using |
| 13:39.08 | abrotman | jackinson: sata drives ? |
| 13:39.19 | h3sp4wn | kramed: splashimage=/boot/grub/splashimages/grub-splash-debblue.xpm.gz |
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| 13:39.32 | abrotman | alterlaszlo: don't /msg me |
| 13:39.39 | jackinson | one min, please, I check in BIOS. |
| 13:39.40 | kramed | so the support is already with grub, awesome |
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| 13:40.05 | alterlaszlo | abrotman, what's the problem? |
| 13:40.06 | zamuro | alterlaszlo and abrotman sittin in a tree... |
| 13:40.06 | kramed | h3sp4wn: thanks for checking that |
| 13:40.09 | h3sp4wn | kramed: http://debblue.debian.net/debblue.php |
| 13:40.15 | h3sp4wn | kramed: (that implies it is) |
| 13:40.16 | abrotman | alterlaszlo: i don't want to be msg'ed |
| 13:40.24 | kramed | yeah I just got some pixmaps |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | alterlaszlo: which version of debian ? |
| 13:40.55 | concept10 | Im so glad I dont have to work today, now I can sit back and talk with abrotman all day |
| 13:41.02 | abrotman | lucky you ? |
| 13:41.09 | concept10 | yes sir! |
| 13:41.10 | alterlaszlo | thougth things were not this way |
| 13:41.58 | h3sp4wn | kramed: (unfortunately it won't work on my machine as I am using a dvi-d cable not dvi-i (corrupts the screen) |
| 13:42.01 | jackinson | No SATA. |
| 13:42.39 | kramed | h3sp4wn: really? how would that have anything to do with it? |
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| 13:42.59 | h3sp4wn | kramed: it uses real mode |
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| 13:43.17 | h3sp4wn | kramed: (so at least with my screen the analog dvi wires need to be on) |
| 13:44.01 | kramed | weird. Im still using my two trusty crt's :P |
| 13:44.03 | h3sp4wn | kramed: same reason I don't get the first part of bootup displayed prior to switching to the framebuffer |
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| 13:44.34 | h3sp4wn | (and it worked when I had a dvi-i cable prior to breaking it) |
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| 13:44.53 | nescius | whad did you do with etch instalation cds? |
| 13:45.07 | malheur | what could be the reason for a "open("/dev/null", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)" |
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| 13:45.26 | h3sp4wn | malheur: /dev/null not 666 |
| 13:45.32 | nescius | every other distributions keep them somewhere in their repositories |
| 13:45.45 | jgonzalez | nunu, maybe you could try http://www.mondorescue.org/, have heard is good, but haven't used it myself... I don't know if it's available for debian, I guess it's |
| 13:45.53 | h3sp4wn | malheur: ls -l /dev/null (should be crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-04-27 10:25 /dev/null) |
| 13:46.01 | jackinson | I downloaded NETINST disk image, and using that I installed Debian 4.0_r0. |
| 13:46.01 | nescius | is there any other iso images apart of 4r0? |
| 13:46.06 | malheur | h3sp4wn: i created the device with "cp -a /dev/null /home/test/dev/" |
| 13:46.08 | abrotman | tons of them |
| 13:46.21 | nescius | abrotman, where? |
| 13:46.42 | malheur | h3sp4wn: it is "crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Apr 27 14:23 /home/test/dev/null" |
| 13:47.05 | malheur | h3sp4wn: i'm in jail /home/test |
| 13:47.16 | nescius | i thought that it should be mentioned on debian.org somewhere, but not |
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| 13:47.19 | h3sp4wn | malheur: any reason you cannot just create it with mknod ? |
| 13:47.24 | abrotman | nescius: what are you actually looking for ? |
| 13:47.33 | ygbn___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.33 | malheur | h3sp4wn: i'll do so |
| 13:47.40 | nescius | 3.1 cd 1 |
| 13:48.04 | h3sp4wn | malheur: what type of a jail (I only know of BSD jails) |
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| 13:48.37 | malheur | h3sp4wn: it's a linux 2.6.20-7 kernel |
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| 13:49.11 | malheur | h3sp4wn: sftp-server complains |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | nescius: moment |
| 13:49.38 | h3sp4wn | malheur: it could be all sorts of stuff implimenting the jail |
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| 13:50.35 | h3sp4wn | malheur: are you using http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxjail/ |
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| 13:50.48 | plb | anyone use gtkpod in here? |
| 13:51.09 | jackinson | abrotman & jetscreamer: please help |
| 13:51.11 | malheur | h3sp4wn: no, i set i up carefully by hand |
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| 13:51.36 | abrotman | nescius: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/ .. it's not r6 .. but they do have r4 |
| 13:51.41 | junix|work | hi i'm having an issue with a ,profile could someone look at this for me - http://pastebin.ca/461021 |
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| 13:51.55 | h3sp4wn | malheur: So its a chroot then ? |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | jackinson: have you tried the install more than once ? |
| 13:52.11 | nescius | abrotman, danke shon! you really helped me |
| 13:52.11 | malheur | h3sp4wn: yes it is |
| 13:52.25 | jackinson | no, I already spent a whole day for installation (through internet) |
| 13:52.26 | jetscreamer | jackinson: i get that when i have hd's hooked up to >1 ide controller ... all i really know. you 'probably' don't have >1 hd though. |
| 13:52.31 | jackinson | do you want me to do so again |
| 13:52.33 | jackinson | ? |
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| 13:52.40 | abrotman | jackinson: i was just wondering |
| 13:52.40 | hac | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.46 | abrotman | jackinson: aren't you using the netinst ? |
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| 13:52.59 | abrotman | junix|work: need more description |
| 13:53.21 | jackinson | again sorry, I do not know. And the system is sealed with warrenty. so I should not open. |
| 13:53.32 | jackinson | abrotman: yes, I used netinst |
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| 13:54.21 | junix|work | abrotman: when the user logs in via ssh/telnet the .profile should throw up the /usr/local/bin/programmenu.menu |
| 13:54.22 | h3sp4wn | hac: You may need rtc-cmos.ko also (I am not sure because it was timidity that was breaking mine) |
| 13:54.23 | malheur | h3sp4wn: mknod didn't help |
| 13:54.25 | junix|work | but its not |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | so why did you download stuff ? |
| 13:54.43 | jackinson | sorry? |
| 13:54.46 | hac | <h3sp4wn> yeah i think so |
| 13:54.47 | abrotman | junix|work: try #bash |
| 13:54.52 | ki11bi11 | is there a way toi track down a segmentation fault? I mean what is causing it? |
| 13:54.54 | abrotman | jackinson: the netinst doesn't have to download stuff to install |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | jackinson: this error happened on the first reboot ? |
| 13:55.09 | jackinson | yes |
| 13:55.19 | jackinson | installation finished with no problem. |
| 13:55.30 | junix|work | abrotman: ok thanks! |
| 13:55.44 | jackinson | but since first boot, I am having booting problem. |
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| 13:57.23 | h3sp4wn | malheur: cannot understand why - not mounted nodev or anything ? |
| 13:57.36 | jetscreamer | yep that sounds exactly like Disk devices may change on reboot, as seen on http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata |
| 13:57.59 | jetscreamer | installs fine, borks on reboot |
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| 13:58.10 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 13:58.16 | jackinson | yes |
| 13:58.16 | malheur | h3sp4wn: here we go...you saved my day |
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| 13:58.44 | malheur | h3sp4wn: thanks man! |
| 13:58.53 | h3sp4wn | malheur: np |
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| 13:59.07 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 13:59.13 | jackinson | jetscreamer: now what to do |
| 13:59.29 | jackinson | jetscreamer; I think you got the point |
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| 14:01.27 | jetscreamer | jackinson: easiest way i know to workaround, is when you install, do not let it install a -686 or -k7 kernel, get it to install a -386 kernel (did they change it to -486 kernel?) |
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| 14:01.50 | jetscreamer | did they change the name from -386 to -486 i mean |
| 14:02.20 | bzed | as far as I remember 386 is not supported anymore |
| 14:02.21 | rafl | Hello there. I wonder if there is some way to let dpkg tell you why it'd like to remove certain packages when upgrading a certain one instead of just telling me that it'll remove things.. |
| 14:02.37 | jetscreamer | jackinson: i don't know that your problem is the one i think it might be, just that it's very similar |
| 14:02.38 | rysiek|pl | hmm... got an issue here I don't quite know how to resolve - I have a bazaar repository on my server that is supposed to be accessible (rw) by the group bzr (and its's chmod -R ug=rwX); now, read access is AOK, all users that are in the bzr group can read and checkout everything. as to write access... well, when somebody commits and there's a new file commited, that file is being saved as this user:his_default_group, and others don't have access |
| 14:02.38 | rysiek|pl | to it later. |
| 14:02.56 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I see in GRUB menu that "Debian GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.18-4-686" |
| 14:03.09 | jackinson | jetscreamer: is that you mean? |
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| 14:03.45 | jetscreamer | jackinson: if it's the problem i'm thinking of, yes you don't want -686 or -k7, -386 or now named -486 i think |
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| 14:03.57 | jetscreamer | you do want 3/486 |
| 14:03.59 | rysiek|pl | I don't think it's actually important that it's a bazaar repo - the thing is, how to make *sure* all the files being created in some directory will be created with thsi_dir_owner:this_dir_group ownership? |
| 14:03.59 | zapalotta | hmm, apache2 ignores mod_ssl. I did a a2enmod ssl which worked (it placed the symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled) |
| 14:04.18 | zapalotta | but it mochs about ssl config statements |
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| 14:04.28 | zapalotta | anybody got an idea? |
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| 14:04.35 | zapalotta | s/mochs/mocks/ |
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| 14:05.12 | rafl | zapalotta: did it really create symlinks in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled? |
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| 14:05.38 | jackinson | I do not know. I just want my Debian to work well. |
| 14:05.43 | zapalotta | rafl: sorry, no, in mods-enabled :) |
| 14:05.59 | nescius | so, where do one find debian stable (which i mean stable, not release candidate) |
| 14:06.03 | jackinson | jetscreamer: please tell me the steps, I shall do so exactly |
| 14:06.04 | rafl | zapalotta: What's the error message you're getting? |
| 14:06.13 | bzed | zapalotta: sis you add the appropriate statements to your virtual host? like where to find the certificates... |
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| 14:06.43 | zapalotta | bzed: yes |
| 14:06.49 | zapalotta | rafl: Invalid command 'KeepAliveRequests', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 14:07.05 | zapalotta | oh, ok :) |
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| 14:07.21 | jetscreamer | jackinson: redo the install. :( it's just a LOT easier.. maybe quicker, also. when the cd boots, type expert. (or just hit F2,F3, et al... it will explain) |
| 14:07.51 | jackinson | ok. I shall try tomorrow. as now already office time over. |
| 14:08.13 | jackinson | jackinson and abroman: A lot of thanks to you. |
| 14:09.01 | abrotman | was he complaining ? |
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| 14:09.12 | gettyup | i just upgraded my debian sid machine and have the error INIT: cannot execute "/sbin/getty" appearing continuously in the console. i have no keyboard input on that machine any more. is there a forseeable solution to this? |
| 14:09.44 | liable | yes, dont use sid |
| 14:09.52 | hac | <h3sp4wn> rtc-cmos.ko is under character devices? |
| 14:10.41 | h3sp4wn | hac: rtc drivers |
| 14:11.08 | gettyup | liable: great advice.. something useful right now? |
| 14:11.23 | liable | its quite nice to se sid break badly for once, might stop some tards from thinking its perfectlt usable |
| 14:11.51 | h3sp4wn | liable: whats broken with it ? |
| 14:11.54 | liable | gettyup: theres actually good reason why we tell people not to use it |
| 14:12.26 | jetscreamer | abrotman: seems like a nice guy whose native lang isn't en , to me |
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| 14:12.31 | abrotman | am i the only one that finds it ironic (perhaps intentionally done) that gettyup is having problems with getty ? |
| 14:12.39 | jetscreamer | rtc-cmos? |
| 14:12.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ah ok |
| 14:12.41 | Ronin | heh abrotman |
| 14:13.01 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: tftp wasn't working :) |
| 14:13.20 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: hm, it worked for me |
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| 14:13.40 | gettyup | liable: of course. i have developed software on debian for about 8 years. this is a development machine, for developing and testing software _for_ sid. |
| 14:13.48 | jetscreamer | HEY! are you saying don't do upgrade in sid atm? |
| 14:13.52 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: xinetd |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | gettyup: do you deploy on sid ? |
| 14:13.56 | tarzeau | rpc: which games do you have for amiga? can you make disk images of it? |
| 14:14.02 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: tftp was configured for inetd |
| 14:14.03 | gettyup | abrotman: that's the rather pallid joke ;) |
| 14:14.05 | jetscreamer | or is that specific to him and his box |
| 14:14.10 | gettyup | abrotman: no, of course not. |
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| 14:14.17 | liable | gettyup: then you should be perfectly comfortable downgrading whatever package is giving you trouble |
| 14:14.19 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: it booted :) |
| 14:14.27 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: YAY! |
| 14:14.28 | abrotman | gettyup: so you develop on a platform that doesn't match your deployment platform ? |
| 14:14.30 | rpc | tarzeau i have ALL games for amiga and i can give you any image, also demos |
| 14:14.30 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: now I got a debian installation screen on an ultra5 |
| 14:14.34 | ki11bi11 | what is a good , secure ftp server? |
| 14:14.38 | abrotman | gettyup: anyways .. have you checked the BTS ? |
| 14:14.42 | gettyup | liable: the lack of keyboard input is something of a problem. |
| 14:14.43 | abrotman | ki11bi11: vsftpd |
| 14:14.44 | liable | gettyup: and supplying a patch for the broken package... |
| 14:14.44 | rpc | tarzeau same for C64 if you desire ;) |
| 14:14.48 | rambo3 | if i hav/msg dpkg linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:14.53 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: may I use x on that machine? |
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| 14:14.58 | SourceGuy | I interrupted an apt-get upgrade and now my mysql server is broken and apt is holding back 243 packages - any ideas on how to fix this |
| 14:14.59 | tarzeau | rpc: you know debian have unadf and xdms tools? |
| 14:15.04 | gettyup | abrotman: yes.. i think i'm one of the first to be hit though. |
| 14:15.07 | tarzeau | rpc: can you put them all online somewhere? |
| 14:15.07 | ki11bi11 | abrotman, thank you! |
| 14:15.09 | hac | <h3sp4wn> I have linux 2.6.20 ck1 and I have rtc class |
| 14:15.13 | stew | SourceGuy: are your sources pointing to 'stable'? |
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| 14:15.20 | SourceGuy | stew, yeah |
| 14:15.22 | tarzeau | rpc: i want old amiga demoscene diskmags (like odyssee) |
| 14:15.37 | h3sp4wn | gettyup: use grml and chroot look at /var/log/aptitude and downgrade file a bug |
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| 14:15.47 | rpc | tarzeau that's close to 5000... |
| 14:16.00 | rpc | tarzeau oh odyssee is clasic :) sure you can have it |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | gettyup: you might want to check related packages |
| 14:16.13 | gettyup | h3sp4wn: not a bad idea.. |
| 14:16.48 | h3sp4wn | unless you can still get in with ssh I dunno what other options there are |
| 14:16.49 | stew | SourceGuy: do you realize the stable changed from sarge to etch recently? |
| 14:16.57 | bradferd | anywhere to readup on building two wlans into a secured wan? |
| 14:16.57 | rambo3 | package naming retard |
| 14:16.57 | stew | SourceGuy: (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 14:16.58 | gettyup | my guess is that /sbin/getty has been knocked out by another package altogether. |
| 14:17.04 | gettyup | h3sp4wn: no, ssh is out sadly.. |
| 14:17.11 | h3sp4wn | gettyup: or you could use init=/bin/sash (if its installed) |
| 14:17.17 | xand | bradferd: #wireless or ##networking probably |
| 14:17.31 | bradferd | xand: thks. |
| 14:17.36 | rpc | tarzeau do you remember Crusaders perhaps? :) |
| 14:17.42 | h3sp4wn | bradferd: If you want bridging make sure you have hardware that allows WDS |
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| 14:18.23 | bradferd | anywhere to readup on building two wlans into a secured wan? |
| 14:18.29 | bradferd | sorry |
| 14:18.31 | tarzeau | rpc: yes, says something |
| 14:18.35 | tarzeau | rpc: great music modules? |
| 14:18.46 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: yes x works fine on sparc w/ debian |
| 14:18.57 | tarzeau | rpc: what url? i can make a mirror |
| 14:19.09 | rpc | tarzeau very famous demoscene grp... i was coding for them :) |
| 14:19.09 | Winkie | hey gents, i'm having an issue with two sata controllers being detected in an inconsistent order |
| 14:19.13 | tarzeau | rpc: do you know schism (tracker) and opencubicplayer (these are also in debian) |
| 14:19.18 | Winkie | is there a way i can statically define hard drive mappings? |
| 14:19.20 | tarzeau | rpc: so cool, know #demoscene ? |
| 14:19.29 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: UUID or LABEL |
| 14:19.29 | Winkie | or at least, specify the root device by something other than it's dev address? |
| 14:19.36 | tarzeau | rpc: have you been at the mekka&symposiums? |
| 14:19.36 | rpc | tarzeau sure i know both of them |
| 14:19.48 | enouf | rambo3: the kernel-image->linux-image naming transition |
| 14:19.49 | tarzeau | rpc: i maintain them in debian. there's also #schism and #ocp :) |
| 14:19.57 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: i've seen that before but will it work from grub? |
| 14:19.58 | tarzeau | rpc: do you also like oldschool style games? |
| 14:20.04 | tarzeau | rpc: i mean do you remember mr.boom the bomberman? |
| 14:20.04 | jetscreamer | yes Winkie |
| 14:20.05 | rpc | tarzeau i don't hang in scene chans anymore.. i couldn't have my life if i tried.. wanting those times back so much :( |
| 14:20.12 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: grubs mapping is seperate |
| 14:20.19 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: i'm referring to the kernel cmd line |
| 14:20.22 | rpc | tarzeau do you? oh wow :) |
| 14:20.30 | Winkie | what syntax would it be? trying to find some on google |
| 14:20.34 | rpc | tarzeau and don't ask me about old games.. that's all i play :) |
| 14:20.36 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: kopt=root=UUID=46175744-127e-4dc3-a120-8fb7b74afdde ro |
| 14:20.39 | bradferd | umhh, came across an interesting site that seems useful on first look. |
| 14:20.39 | tarzeau | rpc: i even play nethack. what's your age? wife? married? |
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| 14:20.48 | rpc | tarzeau asking if i know bomberman is like na insult lol |
| 14:20.50 | tarzeau | rpc: know http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 14:20.50 | rpc | an* |
| 14:20.52 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: excellent, thanks very much |
| 14:20.53 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: (that is what I use the ro is only because I use jfs) |
| 14:20.56 | tarzeau | rpc: lol, sorry :) |
| 14:20.57 | bradferd | http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz. that's just what i am thinking of doing. |
| 14:21.00 | tdonahue-laptop | morning all |
| 14:21.09 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: yes jfs ftw |
| 14:21.17 | tarzeau | rpc: i want to make a remake: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mrboom/mrboom-3.0.tar.gz |
| 14:21.20 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: i hate to bug, is there an easy syntax for fstab and what's the easiest way to find out uuid? |
| 14:21.21 | rpc | tarzeau we should chat some more in the future :) ex-sceners have so much in common.. |
| 14:21.27 | Winkie | i would udevinfo it but I don't know if that would work |
| 14:21.31 | jetscreamer | Winkie: /dev/disk |
| 14:21.32 | rpc | tarzeau hm... |
| 14:21.35 | tdonahue-laptop | is there a debian equivalent of redhat's chkconfig (to set the runlevels a service starts/shutsdown) |
| 14:21.37 | tarzeau | rpc: yep :) |
| 14:21.38 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: I use vol_id |
| 14:21.42 | rpc | tarzeau i would love to bring amiga back to life someday |
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| 14:22.15 | JxMxL | when ever i try to install debian it gives me erro unable to load cdrom |
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| 14:22.22 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: /lib/udev/vol_id |
| 14:22.34 | rpc | tarzeau and C64... |
| 14:22.36 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: see also /dev/disk |
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| 14:22.47 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: I know it I don't think its easier though |
| 14:22.49 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: thanks, i appreciate that :) |
| 14:22.50 | JxMxL | wols any ideas ? |
| 14:22.54 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:22.55 | rpc | tarzeau do you remember Jet Set Willy on ZX-Spectrum/Timex? this is a good test for you :) |
| 14:23.08 | sohmestra | tdonahue-laptop: update-rc.d |
| 14:23.31 | tdonahue-laptop | sohmestra, thanks |
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| 14:23.49 | JxMxL | xand are u still there |
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| 14:23.59 | wols | JxMxL: with etch? |
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| 14:24.02 | wols | what mobo? |
| 14:24.03 | tarzeau | rpc: no i don't, i'm only 29.. |
| 14:24.07 | JxMxL | wols yeah |
| 14:24.18 | tarzeau | rpc: i liked NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP much, know livecd.gnustep.org ? |
| 14:24.20 | rpc | tarzeau you should |
| 14:24.23 | wols | !tell JxMxL about kmuto |
| 14:24.23 | xand | JxMxL: I'm always here |
| 14:24.27 | JxMxL | it asks me to use floppy disk for my cdrom driver |
| 14:24.37 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: swap might not have a uuid currently if so swapoff /dev/sdb2 - vol_id -u /dev/sdb2 - mkswap /dev/sdb2 - vol_id /dev/sdb2 (that seems to fix it and give you the UUID) |
| 14:24.40 | rpc | hm nextstep.. remember it |
| 14:24.53 | wols | JxMxL: that has a 2.6.20 kernel specially made for mainboards like yours |
| 14:24.57 | wols | then upgrade to etch |
| 14:24.59 | JxMxL | xand any idea with this intel mainboard |
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| 14:25.08 | jetscreamer | 29 upgraded, 30 newly installed, 52 to remove and 1 not upgraded |
| 14:25.10 | JxMxL | wols i just download it |
| 14:25.11 | jetscreamer | forget that |
| 14:25.11 | tarzeau | rpc: know mazeofgalious? kq? |
| 14:25.26 | rpc | brb |
| 14:25.27 | Winkie | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 14:25.29 | tarzeau | rpc: i remember bubble bobble, buggy boys etc |
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| 14:25.39 | JxMxL | it asks me to load the drivers |
| 14:25.39 | xand | JxMxL: what cpu/chipset do you have? I think that some of them might need linux kernel 2.6.20 |
| 14:25.41 | h3sp4wn | Winkie: UUID=46175744-127e-4dc3-a120-8fb7b74afdde / jfs defaults,errors=remount-ro,noatime 0 1 (that is an example fstab line) |
| 14:25.42 | rpc | tarzeau Giana Sisters? :) |
| 14:25.42 | tarzeau | lemmings and the like |
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| 14:25.45 | tarzeau | sure! |
| 14:25.48 | tarzeau | turrican |
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| 14:25.52 | xand | !etch 2.6.20 |
| 14:25.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch 2.6.20 is http://bzed.de/debian/kernel - amd64 only |
| 14:25.52 | rpc | and Lemmings.. cool |
| 14:25.56 | xand | hmm |
| 14:25.58 | rpc | Turrican 2 was even cooler.. |
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| 14:26.00 | man_in_shack | where would i set default paper sizes in debian |
| 14:26.02 | JxMxL | 3.2 pentuim R |
| 14:26.06 | h3sp4wn | rpc: I remember jet set willy and I am 25 |
| 14:26.06 | man_in_shack | ? |
| 14:26.08 | tarzeau | rpc: 2-player lemmings w/ 2 mice on amiga RULEZ! |
| 14:26.08 | man_in_shack | for printing |
| 14:26.09 | JxMxL | dual |
| 14:26.18 | rpc | h3sp4wn damn nice, welcome to the club then :) |
| 14:26.20 | wols | ./configure: line 2130: XORG_RELEASE_VERSION: command not found <-- anyone can tell me where this XORG_RELEASE_VERSION is defined? |
| 14:26.29 | rpc | tarzeau see? shame on you to not remember JSW :) |
| 14:26.41 | rpc | tarzeau... Cannon Fodder? :) |
| 14:26.48 | wols | this error message comes when I try to compile parts of xf4vnc |
| 14:26.49 | tarzeau | rpc: battle chess |
| 14:26.54 | liable | wols: what are you making? |
| 14:26.55 | rpc | oh yes lol |
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| 14:27.01 | tarzeau | rpc: north&south!!! |
| 14:27.04 | rpc | yes! |
| 14:27.09 | wols | liable: xf4vnc. a vnc module for X |
| 14:27.22 | liable | wols: sids xorg? |
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| 14:27.28 | rpc | tarzeau The Shadow Of The Beast? ;) |
| 14:27.33 | rpc | yet on A1000... |
| 14:27.43 | jetscreamer | !info eboard |
| 14:27.46 | dpkg | eboard: (A graphical chessboard program), section games, is optional. Version: 1.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 524 kB, Installed size: 1304 kB |
| 14:27.47 | rpc | tarzeau PC could go to hell and back on that time.. |
| 14:27.51 | wols | liable: essentially yes, but I wouldn't care what I have to run to get good vnc support for X |
| 14:27.53 | jetscreamer | !info eboard-themes |
| 14:27.54 | tarzeau | rpc: dungeon master (never grokked it) |
| 14:28.11 | h3sp4wn | rpc: best games from that time were arcade games (like bombjack) |
| 14:28.15 | wols | rpc: shush! hercules graphics with cga emulator! |
| 14:28.16 | rpc | tarzeau there was even no sound card invented for pc when amiga had it all full blown :) |
| 14:28.25 | tarzeau | rpc: yep i know! :) |
| 14:28.28 | rpc | h3sp4wn hm that's right |
| 14:28.28 | jetscreamer | !info eboard-extras-pack1 |
| 14:28.31 | dpkg | eboard-extras-pack1: (Piece sets and sounds for use with the eboard chess interface.), section games, is optional. Version: 2-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 332 kB, Installed size: 436 kB |
| 14:28.39 | h3sp4wn | rpc: and gauntlet |
| 14:28.42 | rpc | wols lmao |
| 14:28.47 | rpc | h3sp4wn correct. |
| 14:29.48 | JxMxL | do i use gentoo ? |
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| 14:30.12 | rpc | wols, h3sp4wn, tarzeau: and amiga dos was so way ahead of ms dos.. |
| 14:30.15 | infester | JxMxL: huh? :) |
| 14:30.27 | rpc | so was AmigaOS itself.. |
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| 14:30.54 | rpc | and that's all for a fraction of pc cost |
| 14:30.54 | JxMxL | i want to make it run and install linux |
| 14:31.06 | tarzeau | rpc: full ack |
| 14:31.07 | infester | JxMxL: you are looking for help installing linux gentoo? |
| 14:31.13 | rpc | tarzeau :) |
| 14:31.19 | wols | liable: it's a automacke/autoconf function :( |
| 14:31.26 | wols | but I have no clue where to get it |
| 14:31.27 | tarzeau | rpc: but amiga should've switched to intel cpus... |
| 14:31.33 | tarzeau | rpc: from m68k |
| 14:31.41 | JxMxL | infester i;m installing debian etch |
| 14:31.50 | JxMxL | it gives me error among my cdrom |
| 14:31.55 | rpc | tarzeau well perhaps that was their biggest mistake so they didn't do that |
| 14:31.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: or switched to anything ? |
| 14:32.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: no intel |
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| 14:32.03 | infester | JxMxL: what errors? and when? |
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| 14:32.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: anything was better than m68k :) |
| 14:32.10 | wols | JxMxL: kmuto should work |
| 14:32.20 | rpc | abrotman not on amiga anyway.. |
| 14:32.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: what else existed by that time? apple made the same mistake |
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| 14:32.33 | JxMxL | wols on normal pc my cdrom work perfectly |
| 14:32.34 | rpc | abrotman because it could handle all gfx and snd with dedicated, high end chips |
| 14:32.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: even worse, they switched to ppc, another dead end |
| 14:32.50 | rpc | abrotman and that was completely indep. from main cpu |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | rpc: you missed my point .. thanks for playing |
| 14:33.14 | tarzeau | rpc: don't bother he's a brot |
| 14:33.18 | infester | JxMxL: are you saying you cannot boot the install cd? |
| 14:33.21 | rpc | tarzeau ok :) |
| 14:33.42 | JxMxL | infester it boots but when loading base system |
| 14:33.43 | wols | JxMxL: have you tried kmuto? |
| 14:33.55 | JxMxL | wols i got no floppy drive |
| 14:34.04 | wols | JxMxL: that's not what I asked |
| 14:34.21 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: You could (can ?) get ppc accelerator cards (at least upto a g4) for the amiga |
| 14:34.31 | JxMxL | wols how to use it ? |
| 14:34.43 | infester | JxMxL: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 14:34.49 | wols | it's an ISO. how do you use ISOs? |
| 14:34.55 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: it doesn't matter anymore, when software development is dead, the hardware is dead |
| 14:35.07 | infester | JxMxL: you burn it as an image, exactly as you did with your "normal" debian cd |
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| 14:35.19 | JxMxL | ti gives error assume root bridge ./pci_0 bus 0 |
| 14:35.20 | rpc | h3sp4wn yes same for gfx cards.. that hardware was at least 10 years ahead of anything designed on that time, besides professional silicon gfx stuff of course |
| 14:35.49 | tarzeau | rpc: yeah, a lot went wrong badly |
| 14:36.03 | rpc | tarzeau i heard stories that IBM killed amiga |
| 14:36.13 | tarzeau | rpc: ibm also killed NeXT |
| 14:36.15 | JxMxL | is there more configuration for mainboard |
| 14:36.21 | rpc | tarzeau so it's true then.. |
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| 14:36.29 | h3sp4wn | rpc: what about the dec alpha |
| 14:36.37 | rpc | h3sp4wn right |
| 14:36.37 | tarzeau | rpc: and they do anything that their crap floppy drives and pc shit speakers keep living |
| 14:36.44 | wols | JxMxL: how is the cdrom connected to the mainboard? what chip? |
| 14:36.47 | rpc | and all those were WAY better than ibm pc... so sad. |
| 14:36.52 | tarzeau | rpc: i mean we have the year 2007, and there's still floppy drives and pc speakers |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | and way more expensive |
| 14:36.56 | wols | rpc: commodore killed amiga. no one, really no one else |
| 14:37.01 | JxMxL | ide |
| 14:37.02 | rpc | tarzeau right! very good point indeed. |
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| 14:37.09 | wols | JxMxL: answer my question |
| 14:37.15 | rpc | wols commodore got killed by IBM, that's what i mean |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:37.24 | rpc | wols commodore bought amiga just to kill it after |
| 14:37.37 | rpc | it was the german branch that took the most part in this |
| 14:37.51 | rpc | people say that ibm arranged that.. |
| 14:37.54 | wols | ibm/cloners pushed the hardware. commodore didn't. commodore went bankrupt |
| 14:37.58 | JxMxL | wols its IDE |
| 14:38.09 | abrotman | JxMxL: PATA or SATA ? |
| 14:38.10 | rpc | amiga needed just a few millions dollars to survive, can you imagine they never got that? |
| 14:38.13 | wols | JxMxL: I asked two questions. answer both please |
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| 14:38.17 | stoned | yawn |
| 14:38.18 | tarzeau | wols: they didn't push them really, they just didn't do anything against cloners? |
| 14:38.28 | stoned | comm 64 was the bomb diggity |
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| 14:38.32 | rpc | wols because commodore was holding back everything |
| 14:38.33 | crm_ | hey stoned |
| 14:38.34 | tarzeau | wols: because they didn't care, ibms main business was not personal computers |
| 14:38.36 | JxMxL | PATA abrotman |
| 14:38.39 | JxMxL | HDD is SATA |
| 14:38.40 | wols | tarzeau: the cloners pushed the envelope after ibm stopped. |
| 14:38.40 | stoned | hi |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | don't tell me .. tell wols |
| 14:38.45 | rpc | wols people were screaming for amigas and they stopped supplying it for whole europe |
| 14:38.48 | stoned | I'm tellin everybody :) |
| 14:38.52 | rpc | wols it was a nasty plan.. |
| 14:38.55 | crm_ | stoned .. i still cant partition this damned ntfs disk |
| 14:38.55 | infester | JxMxL: what about the chip? |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | stoned: not you .. stut it |
| 14:38.58 | wols | abrotman: I don't want to know what he tells me. I asked him a question which he didn't answer yet |
| 14:38.59 | abrotman | shut |
| 14:39.05 | stoned | 'ey! |
| 14:39.07 | stoned | :/ |
| 14:39.07 | tarzeau | wols: the pesonal computers at ibm, were a bunch of worst engineers that didn't want to have no job, and took any crap hardware they found to build the IBM PC Crap computer |
| 14:39.14 | JxMxL | the board its Mainboard intel |
| 14:39.15 | abrotman | wols: you mean the controller chipset |
| 14:39.17 | tarzeau | wols: cheap, bad design, kinda works |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | !tell malheur about away |
| 14:39.35 | rpc | wols i remember very well when people were literally screaming to get e.g. A600 or A1200 and it was impossible as commodore was not selling anymore.. they were bankrupt after that |
| 14:39.36 | stoned | crm_: why not? |
| 14:39.42 | wols | tarzeau: not true. after the appleii IBM got scared, very scared. so they got the job to make the PC in 18 months |
| 14:39.49 | tarzeau | that is the real story about IBM. and as you can see how they took their foot away from laptop business, they really want to do big computers |
| 14:39.52 | rpc | it was arranged for sure.. |
| 14:39.53 | crm_ | well i just dont know stoned |
| 14:39.54 | wols | and they did. but to do it they had to cut corners. many corners |
| 14:40.06 | tarzeau | they are a large heartless monster, who don't care about excellent , lovely made computers like Amiga |
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| 14:40.17 | crm_ | i think there is a conspiracy |
| 14:40.19 | abrotman | amiga is dead .. get over it |
| 14:40.24 | stoned | crm_: is the disk connected? fdisk -l ? |
| 14:40.28 | tarzeau | wols: yeah AFTER they made all the big mistakes |
| 14:40.30 | rpc | amiga, apple, dec alphas, nextstep.. all lost and all were way better than shitty and expansive ibm pc plus ms combo |
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| 14:40.40 | crm_ | stoned.. im on windows atm |
| 14:40.43 | tarzeau | rpc: i hate them all! |
| 14:40.44 | wols | rpc: nextstep = osx |
| 14:40.46 | JxMxL | wols its main board intel 965 , hdds as sata, cdrom as pata |
| 14:40.48 | tarzeau | wols: not really |
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| 14:40.51 | rpc | abrotman it's not :) |
| 14:40.56 | tarzeau | wols: nextstep is much better in many ways |
| 14:41.00 | chops | rpc: Open and bad beats closed and good, every time, given enough time |
| 14:41.04 | crm_ | stoned .. the best i can do is a virtual session .. or a live cd |
| 14:41.07 | wols | JxMxL: that is not what I asked. and your intel 965 has no IDE/PATA whatsoever |
| 14:41.08 | stoned | crm_: boot debian install, and partition disks in there |
| 14:41.09 | abrotman | rpc: it is .. join the 90s |
| 14:41.13 | rpc | abrotman do you know that there are still new demos out for amiga these days? and i have 3 of them and all ready to run :) |
| 14:41.15 | wols | JxMxL: which is the core of the problem actually |
| 14:41.20 | tarzeau | chops: not w/ games |
| 14:41.26 | crm_ | stoned .. debian.exe doesn't like the hdd |
| 14:41.30 | chops | tarzeau: True :-) |
| 14:41.30 | rpc | chops hm |
| 14:41.31 | tarzeau | chops: demoscene and games on non-linux are so much better |
| 14:41.37 | apk | Open and mediocre beats closed and good. |
| 14:42.02 | JxMxL | wols i got error msg saying root assume bridge _S_B_PCI 000 bus 0 |
| 14:42.13 | stoned | crm_: why not? |
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| 14:42.20 | abrotman | rpc: dead |
| 14:42.25 | wols | JxMxL: stop telling me anything but what I asked. kthxbye |
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| 14:42.27 | rpc | tarzeau i had close friends in pc demo scene too.. many good coders.. they all admit that amiga was way ahead even when they had their 3dfx cards and sound blasters :) |
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| 14:42.36 | crm_ | i forget the error.. do you want me to try again and tell you? |
| 14:42.54 | stoned | crm_: depends on how badly you want to install debian |
| 14:42.57 | crm_ | stoned.. it doesn't like the disk format.. im pretty sure.. this is XP |
| 14:43.00 | wols | JxMxL: what you need to find out is what chip is used for your ide port. and then check if it's supported by linux |
| 14:43.05 | rpc | abrotman you know what? it might be physically dead but it had soul.. and soul never dies. |
| 14:43.12 | crm_ | stoned .. i dont want to wipe my windows stuff |
| 14:43.13 | stoned | crm_: it doesn't matter |
| 14:43.13 | abrotman | rpc: dead :) |
| 14:43.18 | wols | crm_: dynamic disk thingie? |
| 14:43.20 | rpc | abrotman that makes the difference |
| 14:43.27 | wols | stoned: it does. |
| 14:43.33 | crm_ | what dynamic disk thingie wols ? |
| 14:43.35 | stoned | wols: ? |
| 14:43.40 | crm_ | wols .. like partition magic? |
| 14:43.46 | crm_ | that cost about 100 bucks! |
| 14:43.54 | crm_ | i could buy a new hdd for that |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | rpc: try #classiccmp for like-minded people .. clinging to systems long dead :) |
| 14:44.05 | crm_ | i could buy three of the darned things! |
| 14:44.06 | stoned | there is partition manager, open source live cd partitioner |
| 14:44.08 | wols | windows xp comes with some diynamic disk gizmo (kinda like lvm). it rewrites the partition table in a different way -> big problems ensue |
| 14:44.11 | stoned | works just like parition magic |
| 14:44.11 | wols | MS only spec as usually |
| 14:44.19 | stoned | onl free er and better er |
| 14:44.20 | JxMxL | wols since the cd is booting that means its working |
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| 14:44.29 | wols | JxMxL: wrong |
| 14:44.41 | wols | JxMxL: now go away unless you really want to answer my question |
| 14:44.45 | wols | JxMxL: use lspci |
| 14:44.46 | rpc | abrotman i'm not clinging.. i'm just open minded and have some background unlike many novadays lamers around |
| 14:45.00 | rpc | abrotman all they know is playstation and windows vista |
| 14:45.10 | abrotman | rpc: yeah .. i used tons of old systems .. i still have some .. but they're still dead :) |
| 14:45.19 | stoned | rpc: you downin on people with playstation and vista> |
| 14:45.22 | tarzeau | rpc: it was like that |
| 14:45.23 | rpc | abrotman have you had amiga? |
| 14:45.24 | stoned | rpc: shame on y ou |
| 14:45.29 | wols | abrotman: commercially dead != dead hardware :) |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | rpc: no .. but i used one |
| 14:45.37 | rpc | abrotman no amiga user would say it was dead |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | wols: my hardware works .. but i can't get stuff for it anymore |
| 14:45.47 | tarzeau | abrotman, rpc: who says there can't be a new computer and software company? |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | rpc: D-E-A-D :) |
| 14:45.58 | tarzeau | it's just a matter of time |
| 14:46.00 | rpc | as i said - amiga was the only machine with soul |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 14:46.07 | stoned | this is all ot |
| 14:46.07 | wols | tarzeau: common sense |
| 14:46.14 | rpc | abrotman what are you trying to play this time? |
| 14:46.16 | abrotman | stoned: you're one to talk ... |
| 14:46.18 | stoned | take this bullshit discussion elesewhere |
| 14:46.20 | stoned | please |
| 14:46.24 | stoned | !ot |
| 14:46.25 | dpkg | [ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 14:46.28 | rpc | stoned ok. |
| 14:46.30 | abrotman | pot .. kettle |
| 14:46.42 | wols | abrotman: when you have to bridge those 15-20 years without development, the end product you'd end up would only have the name in common with amiga and amigaos |
| 14:46.44 | JxMxL | wols marvel technology group, unknow |
| 14:46.49 | JxMxL | unknown |
| 14:46.51 | rpc | tarzeau but we will surely chat one day :) |
| 14:47.01 | abrotman | wols: heh |
| 14:47.02 | tarzeau | rpc: definitely |
| 14:47.09 | tarzeau | rpc: i'm in berlin this weekend at www.vcfe.org |
| 14:47.09 | wols | JxMxL: paste the entry in a pastebin, cause I dunno of any marvell ones |
| 14:47.16 | rpc | and h3sp4wn :) |
| 14:47.17 | abrotman | update-pciids might help |
| 14:47.22 | rpc | tarzeau are you? |
| 14:47.22 | JxMxL | wols its over another box |
| 14:47.26 | tarzeau | rpc: yes, you? |
| 14:47.31 | rpc | can't :( |
| 14:47.44 | Papiertiger | hi, I updated my unstable yesterday and since then ALT-Key-Behavior changed. Can type specialchars now, but no longer switch windows in irssi. How do i get rid of this? |
| 14:47.48 | tarzeau | rpc: is switzerland far from you? |
| 14:47.54 | wols | JxMxL: does it say 00:02.5 IDE interface:? and if so what PCI IDs? |
| 14:48.00 | rpc | tarzeau no EU is far from me :) |
| 14:48.05 | abrotman | Papiertiger: did it update your keymap ? |
| 14:48.12 | tarzeau | Papiertiger: altgr or alt? in which terminal? |
| 14:48.45 | wols | JxMxL: the numbers I pasted are different for you, but is the "IDE interface" there? |
| 14:48.47 | Papiertiger | don't have 'altgr'and its xterm |
| 14:48.49 | abrotman | JxMxL: also run `update-pciids` |
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| 14:49.08 | wols | analogx: he'S at install. do you think that would work then? |
| 14:49.21 | jm|work | if Debbie ever leaves Ian do you think he'll go mad from the constant reminder ....? |
| 14:49.26 | wols | abrotman: when he don't even have base system |
| 14:49.46 | Papiertiger | how do i found if keymaps for kbd are update? |
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| 14:50.02 | ctp | hi folks. installed a new header package (here libxml2-dev under debian) what must i do to notify the compiler it is installed now? now i have to relogin on my debian box to use the headers new installed. |
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| 14:50.47 | jetscreamer | no relogin required i don't think |
| 14:50.53 | stew | certainly not |
| 14:51.15 | stew | ctp: you'd have to pass the compiler a -I flag to point to the includes possibly, but what are you compiling? does it have a ./configure script? |
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| 14:52.08 | JxMxL | wols yes there is IDE interface, |
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| 14:52.17 | Amarande | hmm, I'm not sure if this is a bug or not |
| 14:52.29 | Amarande | however, if you have two users logged in via GNOME, both who have permission to access the CD-ROM drive |
| 14:52.49 | Amarande | whoever logged in first 'steals' ownership of that CD and only they can unmount it afterwards |
| 14:52.58 | Amarande | even if the second person is the one who wanted to use that CD |
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| 14:53.07 | JxMxL | makred as Marvell technologies Group ltd, Unknown device 6101 ( rev b ) |
| 14:54.12 | abrotman | wols: oh .. i thought he did |
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| 14:54.47 | JxMxL | abrotman it wont install |
| 14:54.59 | Amarande | Is there any way to ensure that a given user with cdrom group membership under etch can freely mount/umount CDs, other than having to have everyone else fully log out first? |
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| 14:55.39 | wols | JxMxL: pata_marvell is in kernel since oct 2006 |
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| 14:56.07 | JxMxL | wols in other distroes its freezing on acpci |
| 14:56.43 | wols | I don't care about other distros. acpi=off should help there however |
| 14:57.28 | JxMxL | wols in booting linux |
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| 15:02.19 | wols | JxMxL: try if you can load pata_marvel (or pata_marvell?) via modprobe |
| 15:02.53 | h3sp4wn | JxMxL: you need 2.6.19+ for pata_marvell |
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| 15:09.08 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:09.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:10.42 | Amarande | Light, WoW has entirely too many discs |
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| 15:10.54 | Lin | hi all |
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| 15:11.14 | Lin | how can I "disable" the firewall log output from console terminal (tty1-6)? |
| 15:11.27 | Lin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.42 | xand | Lin: dmesg -n1 |
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| 15:11.52 | JaMaLz | wols my problem is the same as this |
| 15:11.54 | JaMaLz | http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com/msg03415.html |
| 15:12.16 | Lin | xand: and to make this change permanent (add this to rc.local script isn't ellegant). |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 15:12.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge 2.6.20 is http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 15:12.58 | wols | abrotman: he said he had the same problem with that installer |
| 15:13.03 | SourceGuy | if the reboot command is unavailable, does that mean my kernel image is gone |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | no |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | shutdown -r ? |
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| 15:13.21 | hark | Lin: kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 15:13.39 | Lin | xand, hark thank you both |
| 15:14.27 | SourceGuy | shutdown command not found |
| 15:14.31 | SourceGuy | does that mean i'm screwed |
| 15:14.40 | Lin | SourceGuy: echo $PATH |
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| 15:15.26 | abrotman | SourceGuy: are you root ? |
| 15:15.26 | Lin | /sbin/reboot or /sbin/init 6 |
| 15:15.45 | SourceGuy | i'm root- path = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 15:15.57 | JaMaLz | abrotman does the usb things work better ? |
| 15:16.08 | Lin | SourceGuy: something VERY weird is happening. did you rm -rf /* ? |
| 15:16.49 | SourceGuy | Lin, I did a bunch of upgrades ignoring warnings aboutremoving running kernel images |
| 15:16.52 | SourceGuy | that probably was a bad idea |
| 15:16.59 | abrotman | JaMaLz: never used it |
| 15:17.13 | abrotman | SourceGuy: you should have it |
| 15:17.18 | abrotman | !find bin/shutdown etch |
| 15:17.31 | SourceGuy | nothing |
| 15:17.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/shutdown' (5 of 6): (/sbin/shutdown) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/shutdown) in admin/molly-guard ;; (/usr/share/tomcat5/bin/shutdown.sh) in web/tomcat5 ;; (/usr/share/tomcat5.5/bin/shutdown.sh) in web/tomcat5.5 ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/bin/shutdown) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard. |
| 15:17.44 | hark | sbin |
| 15:18.37 | SourceGuy | how do I make apt check package dependancies? |
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| 15:19.00 | JaMaLz | i will try it |
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| 15:20.25 | arcad3 | !repositori |
| 15:20.28 | arcad3 | !repository |
| 15:20.28 | dpkg | from memory, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 15:21.06 | arcad3 | where can i find a repository list? |
| 15:21.16 | simonrvn | !mirror |
| 15:21.16 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 15:22.28 | arcad3 | ogh.. |
| 15:23.07 | arcad3 | can someone paste me his reps? |
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| 15:23.53 | hark | arcad3: for etch, /msg dpkg sources.list and /msg dpkg etch security |
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| 15:24.59 | hark | arcad3: there's apt-spy too and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 15:25.51 | arcad3 | cat /etc/issue |
| 15:25.51 | arcad3 | Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable \n \l |
| 15:26.00 | arcad3 | how can i update to etch? |
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| 15:26.14 | bon^ | i'd say you're on lenny already :) |
| 15:26.30 | stoned | arcad3: /msg dpkg !downgrade |
| 15:26.33 | stoned | er.. -! |
| 15:27.02 | man_in_shack | wibble :P |
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| 15:27.26 | hark | wibble wibble |
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| 15:30.10 | JaMaLz | wols abrotman thanks i passed it with pci=nommconf acpi=off irqprob all-generic-ide |
| 15:30.34 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 15:31.19 | Mazingaro | please I've to configure an email server: it should send messages to an expedition list at programmed time... |
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| 15:32.06 | twobitsprite | "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" |
| 15:32.07 | bashologist | Using debian etch with athlonx2 it doesn't detect my dual core. How can I get it working? |
| 15:32.19 | twobitsprite | what am I missing? |
| 15:32.22 | chops | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.25 | bashologist | Nope. |
| 15:32.33 | chops | bashologist: There's your problem, then :-) |
| 15:32.45 | bashologist | Yea, I've heard. How can I setup this smp? |
| 15:32.53 | bashologist | uname -r outputs 2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 15:34.18 | arcad3 | its there a package linux-image-2.6.17-dev? |
| 15:34.27 | arcad3 | i'm trying to install vmware |
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| 15:36.46 | chops | bashologist: Oh, I guess I was wrong -- there aren't special SMP kernels anymore it looks like. Maybe you just need a 2.6.18-k7 kernel? |
| 15:37.13 | hark | arcad3: what does uname -r say? |
| 15:37.29 | arcad3 | 2.6.17 |
| 15:37.35 | bashologist | chops: That's available in my packages. I'll try it. |
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| 15:37.53 | hark | arcad3: no, what does it say? |
| 15:38.10 | bashologist | Anything special I have to do if I'm gonna use it? Reinstall nvidia-xgl? |
| 15:38.25 | arcad3 | just 2.6.17 |
| 15:38.35 | chops | I'd make sure that it fixes your dual-core problem before mucking with nvidia... |
| 15:38.38 | roue | hola |
| 15:38.44 | bashologist | Ah, good idea. |
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| 15:38.56 | chops | bashologist: Are you sure they aren't detected currently? /proc/cpuinfo only reports one CPU? |
| 15:38.57 | roue | can anyone recommend command line tools available in etch for CD ripping? thanks. |
| 15:39.08 | xand | roue: audio cds? |
| 15:39.09 | bashologist | Yea, only one in there. |
| 15:39.12 | chops | roue: cdparanoia |
| 15:39.13 | roue | xand yes. |
| 15:39.13 | pseubodot | cdrecord |
| 15:39.17 | pseubodot | erm, cdparanoia |
| 15:39.17 | pseubodot | rather |
| 15:39.21 | hark | arcad3: eh, is it a debian kernel? what does uname -a give? |
| 15:39.23 | bashologist | I'll try a reboot now. Thanks chops. |
| 15:39.25 | roue | thanks. I'll check it out. |
| 15:39.37 | tarzeau | ah cool i can do apt-get remove aptitude and save 9mb diskspace |
| 15:40.05 | arcad3 | Linux arcad3 2.6.17 #4 SMP PREEMPT Wed May 10 13:53:45 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:41.23 | kdog | For the longest time I had clamav updating from the volatile repository and then it broke so I held the packages. Now that etch is out is there a different way of straightening this out? |
| 15:42.02 | chops | kdog: I would try removing the volatile repository from sources.list and upgrading to the etch version |
| 15:42.15 | chops | kdog: Er, assuming that you've upgraded the rest of your system to etch :-) |
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| 15:42.56 | hark | arcad3: where did you get that kernel from? |
| 15:43.06 | kth` | Is it possible to change bridge interface name? random-stuff instead of br0? |
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| 15:43.31 | arcad3 | it was installed with the sistem |
| 15:43.31 | kdog | chops, I haven't upgraded this box to etch at this point. So is volatile still up for clamav and it's synchonized with etch? |
| 15:44.01 | arcad3 | here is my error |
| 15:44.02 | arcad3 | http://paste.debian.net/26661 |
| 15:44.02 | hark | arcad3: hmm, and cat /proc/version says? |
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| 15:44.28 | chops | kdog: I'm not sure what's going on with volatile... |
| 15:44.57 | arcad3 | Linux version 2.6.17 (root@Knoppix) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (De bian 4.0.3-3)) #4 SMP PREEMPT Wed May 10 13:53:45 CEST 2006 |
| 15:45.12 | wols | arcad3: wrong channel |
| 15:45.20 | luosm_ | I'm still having this isse and I honestly cannot figure it out myself |
| 15:45.26 | arcad3 | then whats the right one |
| 15:45.31 | wols | !knoppi |
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| 15:45.33 | wols | !knoppix |
| 15:45.33 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:45.40 | kth` | Is it possible to change bridge interface name? random-stuff instead of br0? |
| 15:45.40 | arcad3 | !knoppix |
| 15:45.42 | FabParma | I need to connect two adsl lines to an internal firewall linking two adsl ethernet modem. Does exist some solution? |
| 15:45.44 | wols | try #knoppix |
| 15:45.53 | arcad3 | ok bye |
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| 15:45.58 | wols | FabParma: not really |
| 15:46.02 | luosm_ | My problem with the cursor, sometimes it works just okie "touchpad" and all that but mostly no |
| 15:46.04 | wols | loadbalancing needs support from both ends |
| 15:46.35 | cahoot | kth`, does it show up in persistent-net.rules? |
| 15:46.54 | luosm_ | And the other problem is I cannot close mrxvt when I have two tabs |
| 15:46.55 | luosm_ | And idea? |
| 15:47.04 | ImPErAdO | they algem can help me please |
| 15:47.11 | tarzeau | Amarande: who cares, it doesn't exist (officially) |
| 15:47.19 | kth` | cahoot; logical bridges should show up there?.. |
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| 15:47.54 | ImPErAdO | nao I obtain to initiate debian in grafico way |
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| 15:48.15 | ImPErAdO | not* |
| 15:48.27 | twobitsprite | please help "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" ... any ideas? |
| 15:48.43 | cahoot | kth`, I surely don't know but if it does maybe one could set the name there |
| 15:48.43 | Amarande | tarzeau, seeing as I paid for cedega and can't get WoW to install, I have to wonder if it's because I'm on etch and the package was really intended for sarge, or something else |
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| 15:48.48 | twobitsprite | I have cpp, gcc and g++ installed, I don't know what I might be missing? |
| 15:48.56 | twobitsprite | or should I just conclude that this is a broken package |
| 15:49.07 | tarzeau | Amarande: i see. and have you tried wine? |
| 15:49.11 | twobitsprite | (er, broken source tarball...) |
| 15:49.12 | hark | Amarande: doesn't wow work with wine itself? |
| 15:49.16 | Ronin | twobitsprite: what are you configuring and why? |
| 15:49.29 | Amarande | I haven't tried normal wine, GW which I also play requires cedega anyway so I had to subscribe for that |
| 15:49.31 | twobitsprite | Ronin: MLGame, and because I want to use it :P |
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| 15:50.06 | chops | twobitsprite: "/lib/cpp"? |
| 15:50.18 | twobitsprite | chops: *shrug* that's what the configure script wants to use... |
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| 15:50.31 | rahul | . /lib/cpp is old school |
| 15:50.36 | torrr | anyone know if gaim can show others when I am idle? |
| 15:50.38 | rahul | and mirc is crap. |
| 15:50.51 | rahul | torrr: it seems like it does |
| 15:50.58 | chops | twobitsprite: My sid system also has a /lib/cpp. It points to /etc/alternatives/cpp. You learn something new every day. Is it possible your /etc/alternatives/cpp is broken? |
| 15:51.16 | hark | Amarande: if you're talking about Guild Wars, that should work as well |
| 15:51.21 | twobitsprite | chops: I suppose... |
| 15:51.27 | twobitsprite | chops: I too am running sid... |
| 15:51.42 | chops | twobitsprite: You could check the behavior of /lib/cpp also, and see if it seems to you that it is sane |
| 15:51.45 | twobitsprite | chops: would you mind testing it on your system? I can give a you link to d/l it |
| 15:51.48 | hark | Amarande: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=7530 |
| 15:51.57 | chops | twobitsprite: Sorry, busy :-( |
| 15:52.25 | chops | I feel okay about talking on #debian at work, but testing other people packages is above the call of duty |
| 15:52.35 | twobitsprite | chops: I understand |
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| 15:55.39 | xored | is nfs4 support built in the 2.6.18.4-686 kernel ? |
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| 15:57.56 | kth` | xored; cat /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/.config|grep NFS_V4 if you're running it right now |
| 15:57.57 | hark | xored: yes |
| 15:58.54 | hark | uuoc! |
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| 16:00.56 | szachista | hi there |
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| 16:01.43 | itchi | hark: Have you looked to the fgfs? |
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| 16:02.26 | szachista | is there any other way to have fasttrack support in mldonkey that compilation from source? |
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| 16:02.38 | hark | itchi: not yet, but i found out that this hack mainly works for googleearth |
| 16:02.52 | szachista | i checked debian-unofficial, why they don't have that package too :/ |
| 16:03.12 | pluesch0r | evening! i'd like to install Xen on my box (running etch). do i need to compile xen from xensource.com, or are all necessary tools available via deb? |
| 16:03.19 | itchi | hark: For google earth i dunno, but fgfs still not work here. Or maybe do i somethings wrong. But i have set that option there in that driconf. |
| 16:03.32 | torrr | do you know if icron works? |
| 16:03.43 | torrr | I see it is alpha |
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| 16:04.16 | itchi | hark: Looks like he not take that driconf in consideration. But in the man page there's noted that changes are imediately take in consideration for new restarted apss. So i restarted X |
| 16:04.38 | kang | is there a good tool to see _all_ dependencies of an installed package ? (keyword: _all_ ) eg when you upgrade a package sometimes its gonna remove some others but they're not listed in the direct dependencies. |
| 16:04.43 | hark | pluesch0r: shouldn't have to compile |
| 16:04.57 | itchi | Oeps, sorry, the computer hangs a bit. I'm restoring a whole bunch of files right now |
| 16:04.58 | hark | kang: apt-rdepends |
| 16:05.05 | pluesch0r | hark: what do i need to install, then? i'm a bit lost with all those xen-related packages that apt finds. |
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| 16:05.56 | kang | hark: seems to be exactly what i wanted, thanks! (i had found apt-cache dotty but.. yea.. not hehe) |
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| 16:06.17 | itchi | hark: I gona look again once the big restore is done |
| 16:06.20 | hark | !wikifaq pluesch0r Xen |
| 16:06.20 | dpkg | pluesch0r: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Xen or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 16:06.37 | pluesch0r | hark: thanks |
| 16:06.38 | dZen|n| | !nvidia |
| 16:06.38 | hark | itchi: ok, i'll check it out here too |
| 16:06.38 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 16:06.42 | Mazingaro | please I've to configure an email server: it should send messages to an expedition list at programmed time... |
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| 16:07.10 | hark | where's the expedition to? |
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| 16:07.40 | hark | Mazingaro: the email server is not configured yet? |
| 16:07.42 | rahul | to my pants |
| 16:07.58 | rahul | Mazingaro: use cron with the mail command |
| 16:08.02 | hark | must be a short one then ;p |
| 16:08.06 | Juul | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:08.07 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 16:08.07 | Mazingaro | hark: I don't even know a mail server to do such a thing |
| 16:08.13 | rahul | that's what yo mama said. |
| 16:08.15 | rahul | oh wait... |
| 16:08.26 | pluesch0r | hark: what's the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-amd64 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64? |
| 16:08.29 | Kipps | hey, wondering if anyone can help me with hopefully an easy question. just upgraded to 4.0 stable, however, now apt refuses to do anything - having problems with: Starting deferred execution scheduler: atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. |
| 16:08.33 | rahul | Mazingaro: you don't need a mail server for that. just the mail command |
| 16:08.52 | rahul | Mazingaro: actually, every debian box is a mail server |
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| 16:08.58 | Mazingaro | rahul: I need to get emails from a mysql db |
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| 16:09.04 | rahul | every linux box for that matter |
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| 16:09.15 | rahul | Mazingaro: now you're talking gibberish |
| 16:09.26 | Mazingaro | rahul: ? |
| 16:09.42 | rahul | wtf does a not-a-db have to do with sending emails? |
| 16:09.48 | Artemis3 | hey there, is there a frontend for pppd? i have a working script and would simply need a method to call it graphically |
| 16:09.53 | rahul | why is a not-a-db sending emails to a group? |
| 16:10.03 | Mazingaro | rahul: emails are in a mysql db |
| 16:10.12 | rahul | Mazingaro: that's insane |
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| 16:10.51 | Mazingaro | rahul: not at all, the db is for another use |
| 16:10.51 | rahul | Mazingaro: well, learn how to use the mysql command line client and parse the output and pipe that to the mail command |
| 16:10.51 | rahul | have fun heh |
| 16:10.59 | rahul | Artemis3: just have any gui that runs the pppd command |
| 16:11.31 | Kipps | anyone here that might be able to help me resolve "Starting deferred execution scheduler: atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. |
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| 16:11.43 | hark | pluesch0r: that one is for vserver (it's a different thing), IIRC |
| 16:11.55 | pluesch0r | hark: what's vserver? :) |
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| 16:12.09 | rahul | Kipps you shouldn't need to run atd |
| 16:12.17 | Kipps | rahul: it's making me do it |
| 16:12.22 | Peanut | Hi all - I've installed Etch from the netinstall image CD iso. But now everytime I want to apt-get install/remove a package, it asks for the installation CD - can't it just get all that from the Network Mirror I used for the install? |
| 16:12.27 | Kipps | rahul: apt refuses to do anything else until that package is correctly configured =( |
| 16:12.45 | kth` | Peanut; comment out cdrom from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:12.46 | hark | Peanut: remove the cd line from your sources.list |
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| 16:12.51 | Kipps | Peanut: update /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:13.07 | Peanut | Ah, thanks Kipps, hark, kth, everyone :-) |
| 16:13.08 | rahul | Kipps hrm, maybe delete the start line from the script |
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| 16:13.22 | Kipps | rahul: that's a generic script tho |
| 16:13.29 | hark | pluesch0r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 16:13.30 | rahul | Kipps the postinst for that package |
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| 16:14.21 | kth` | Is it possible to create an empty bridge with /etc/network/interfaces, to dynamically add interfaces into it? |
| 16:14.23 | Kipps | rahul: thanks, trying that now, any idea why it'd be doing it? |
| 16:14.37 | rahul | Kipps dunno, what package is it? |
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| 16:14.58 | xeihin | hi friends |
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| 16:15.37 | xeihin | I installed postfix but when I do /etc/init.d/postfix restart, I see this in /var/log/mail.err : |
| 16:15.38 | xeihin | Apr 27 09:46:53 virtual1 postfix/master[1610]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:15.40 | Kipps | rahul: at |
| 16:15.41 | Amarande | ok, I don't think I'm continuing my cedega subscription after the first three months :| |
| 16:15.44 | xeihin | can some one help me please? |
| 16:15.49 | rahul | Kipps hrm, that's strange |
| 16:16.02 | rahul | Kipps I didn't think that's how it works |
| 16:16.05 | Kipps | rahul: yeah, i have no idea what's caused this headache |
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| 16:16.17 | Amarande | I just tried to post on their support forums to get help with the problem and I'm greeted with "SQL ERROR" |
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| 16:16.28 | Amarande | yay, great support guys, I think I'll stick with free software |
| 16:16.32 | JxMxL | http://paste.debian.net/26664 |
| 16:16.33 | Kipps | rahul: caused from going to stable v4 (is that etch?) |
| 16:16.34 | Ronin | xeihin: have you tried in #postfix? |
| 16:16.42 | rahul | Kipps yes |
| 16:17.05 | JxMxL | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/26664 thats the lspci |
| 16:17.09 | xeihin | mmm noup |
| 16:17.24 | xeihin | but its happening in a openvz virtual server :) |
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| 16:17.41 | Mazingaro | Amarande: what is cedega? Er cazzo che te se frega? |
| 16:17.50 | Amarande | Maz: non-free package that's something like wine |
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| 16:18.06 | Mazingaro | Amarande: to play games? |
| 16:18.06 | Artemis3 | a simple gui for pon / poff would do, anyone knows one? |
| 16:18.10 | Amarande | Yeah. |
| 16:18.11 | xeihin | my best debian friends xD |
| 16:18.11 | kth` | Is it possible to create an empty bridge with /etc/network/interfaces, to dynamically add interfaces into it? |
| 16:18.19 | Amarande | I think I'm going to see how regular wine works for wow |
| 16:18.20 | hark | pluesch0r: this is a better link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-VServer |
| 16:18.23 | Amarande | and quit GW |
| 16:19.09 | deeperror | installing from usb...getting hung up and says check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules then drops me to (initramfs) prompt? |
| 16:19.18 | Kipps | does WoW work under linux? |
| 16:19.25 | Kipps | (i've not gone looking for screenies) |
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| 16:19.33 | rahul | Artemis3 why do you need a gui for that? |
| 16:19.44 | Artemis3 | rahul, users... |
| 16:19.46 | rahul | Artemis3 seriously, just bind a key in your WM to that |
| 16:20.07 | kramed | where does icedove look for config files |
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| 16:21.05 | deeperror | need some assistance with installing from usb...getting hung up and says check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules then drops me to (initramfs) prompt? |
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| 16:21.26 | Amarande | Kipps: with wine, yeah |
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| 16:21.32 | Amarande | with cedega, it's supposed to, but I had no luck with that |
| 16:21.46 | Kipps | cedega doesn't work, but standard wine does? |
| 16:22.21 | Artemis3 | another option could be to make kppp use the existing pppd script |
| 16:22.27 | Artemis3 | is it possible? |
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| 16:23.40 | xeihin | can some one help me with postfix on etch? |
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| 16:24.14 | wols | !tell xeihin about ask |
| 16:24.42 | frapell | hey, i had a problem installing debian testing, it couldn't find a script "/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/lenny" |
| 16:24.57 | Amarande | ok, wine doesn't want to install wow either |
| 16:25.03 | Amarande | Kipps, there seems to be an installer issue |
| 16:25.05 | wols | Artemis3: gpppon |
| 16:25.12 | Artemis3 | hmm lets see |
| 16:25.13 | frapell | what i did was copying another script there, named "etch", renaming it "lenny" and worked |
| 16:25.23 | frapell | does anyone else had that problem ? |
| 16:25.25 | Amarande | Via cedega, which I just unsubscribed from :P |
| 16:25.34 | Amarande | installer started, moused over the install button, and it quit |
| 16:25.38 | wols | !tell frapell about bts |
| 16:26.01 | frapell | what is bts ? |
| 16:26.07 | frapell | ohh.. |
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| 16:26.56 | Amarande | with standard wine, it tells me I don't have enough HD space. |
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| 16:27.00 | hark | Amarande: try #winehq |
| 16:27.08 | Amarande | yeah, this really isn't enough hd space ... /dev/hda6 108G 29G 73G 29% /home lol |
| 16:27.13 | Amarande | thanks hark :) |
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| 16:27.56 | stew | my 'home lol' directory never gets very full |
| 16:28.16 | Amarande | well, if 73G isn't enough for WoW ... |
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| 16:28.38 | grendelson | How do I clear the apt policies? I have a package withaa higher version that is gettig 500 but the istalled etch vesion is 1090 - I already cleared preferences file and ran update but the policy is still in place? |
| 16:28.58 | rahul | I never created a home lol directory |
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| 16:29.12 | rahul | is that why assbadger keeps crashing on me? |
| 16:29.26 | Danux | can anyone please recommend a channel for snmp related help? |
| 16:29.38 | grendelson | Or how ca I force the newer version and override the policy of apt? |
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| 16:30.00 | frapell | wols: what should i put as "package" and "version" ? is the installer (i'm not an advanced user) |
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| 16:32.45 | FabParma | I need to connect two adsl lines to an internal firewall linking two adsl ethernet modem. Does exist a solution? |
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| 16:33.47 | tabris|away | FabParma: can be done, tho not so sure about load-balancing |
| 16:34.10 | tabris|away | FabParma: yo'll need sorewall and a custom routing setup |
| 16:34.11 | jelly | rahul: it's easy. cd; mkdir lol |
| 16:34.21 | jelly | lol |
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| 16:35.02 | jelly | rahul: I prefer to call it tildeslashlol though |
| 16:35.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:36.00 | Amarande | looks like wine is broken under etch |
| 16:36.10 | xeihin | can some one help me with postfix please? |
| 16:36.59 | jelly | Amarande: there's a newer version in unstable. wine is one of the few packages that really work best if the latest is used |
| 16:37.05 | wols | frapell: debootstrap I guess since that's the package that tells you about the error |
| 16:37.13 | wols | as for whatr version it is: packages.debian.org |
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| 16:37.34 | FabParma | tabris|away: Thank you, i have a look |
| 16:37.43 | Ronin | xeihin: #postfix knows thier stuff |
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| 16:38.05 | jelly | Amarande: there's also a deb package available upstream, but is built against ubuntu. I won't suggest that you use it, but it works-for-me. :-) |
| 16:38.25 | Amarande | jelly, is wine one of those packages that I can install from sid without having to pull half of sid along with it? |
| 16:38.56 | jelly | Amarande: that's correct for the time being, but probably soon won't be. |
| 16:39.08 | Amarande | every time I add sid to my sources and try to install something sid, I tend to find that I end up with full-blown sid pretty soon :| |
| 16:39.29 | wols | !tell xeihin about ask |
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| 16:39.57 | wols | Amarande: no. wine of course depends on libc6 |
| 16:40.09 | jelly | Amarande: uh, don't do it like that, use pinning to limit the damage |
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| 16:40.31 | Xbill | hello i need one info |
| 16:40.37 | jelly | Amarande: or do a backport, should be relatively easy considering stable is very fresh |
| 16:40.46 | Amarande | ahh, now wow works with 0.9.25 from etch |
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| 16:40.51 | Amarande | looks like I munged my .wine folder |
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| 16:41.24 | Xbill | my friends actually are to freifunk fest |
| 16:41.24 | jelly | it turned to .vinegar? |
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| 16:41.50 | Xbill | and the irc.fu-berlin.de/freifunk is down |
| 16:42.19 | Xbill | i would create a # on freenode |
| 16:42.26 | xeihin | can some one help me with postfix please? |
| 16:42.26 | Xbill | howto9 |
| 16:42.52 | kth` | Is it possible to create an empty bridge with /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 16:43.08 | Amarande | neat, under wine, the WoW license agreement is all sorts of weird numbers |
| 16:43.24 | Amarande | that may even be easier to interpret than regular legalese :) |
| 16:44.08 | Xbill | what can i do to open a channel and leave |
| 16:44.39 | sohmestra | kth`: what defines an "empty bridge"? |
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| 16:45.00 | sohmestra | kth`: isn't it by definition a connection between two interfaces? |
| 16:45.07 | kth` | sohmestra; a bridge that shows up in ifconfig, in brctl show, without any interfaces on it |
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| 16:45.10 | Xbill | it opened any time i want enter or people want to enter ? |
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| 16:45.35 | sluff | i use postfix with mysql and store my mail in /home/var/<domain>/<username>/... but when i want to get them with my pop3 client via courier-pop it does not work |
| 16:45.40 | sluff | anyone can help me? |
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| 16:47.28 | xeihin | I installed postfix but when I do /etc/init.d/postfix restart, I see this in /var/log/mail.err : |
| 16:47.28 | xeihin | Apr 27 09:46:53 virtual1 postfix/master[1610]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory |
| 16:47.28 | xeihin | : / |
| 16:47.31 | kth` | sohmestra; I'd like to dynamically add interfaces to it, I've qemu tap interfaces and bluetooth pan going in and out of the bridge, but I can't guarantee any single interface will be there when I ifup the bridge interface |
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| 16:47.31 | sohmestra | kth`: perhaps by doing an: iface br0 inet manual, then using {pre,post,ip}-{up,down} |
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| 16:47.49 | kth` | sohmestra; `ifup br0` ignores those lines, no errors, but no bridges set up either |
| 16:48.17 | sohmestra | kth`: err, strike the ip-{up,down}, that's just up,down |
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| 16:49.02 | kth` | sohmestra; Oh, I misunderstood the man page... Thought it'd still create the bridge even though it's manual... Working now, thanks :) |
| 16:49.03 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: it won't boot :( |
| 16:49.17 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: illegal instruction after loading initrd |
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| 16:50.28 | Xbill | any can help me ? |
| 16:50.49 | jelly | stupid xorg |
| 16:51.05 | Ronin | Xbill: with what? |
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| 16:51.59 | dapper-daniel | Hi! I want to build my own custom xen Dom0 kernel. Where do I find the patches which are included in the debian kernel images for example linux-image-2.6.20-1-xen? |
| 16:52.07 | nomasteryoda | i must thank the Debian team for keeping all the hardware alive... my PowerPC iMac now can actually run again... debian etch on it |
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| 16:56.31 | klim_ | hi, does linux install support raid5? if not, will it still work if i put /boot on a stand along partition and the everything else on raid5? |
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| 16:56.45 | pdbogen | e/part #debian |
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| 16:58.21 | klim_ | i am talke about software raid |
| 16:59.16 | simonrvn | read the install guide |
| 16:59.40 | jelly | klim_: you'll probably want to user raid1 for /boot, yeah. I don't think grub, lilo or whatever boot manager your arch uses knows about raid5 |
| 16:59.41 | bloodskin | !paste |
| 16:59.41 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 16:59.48 | Xbill | how to open a new channel ? |
| 17:00.18 | bloodskin | /join #channel |
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| 17:00.33 | Xbill | how create a new channel ? |
| 17:00.58 | bloodskin | i just told you |
| 17:01.00 | klim_ | thanks |
| 17:01.14 | Ronin | Xbill: join it, and register it with chanserv |
| 17:01.17 | adamowitz | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/79172 both comment on a situation with MB where grub is unresponsive to keyboard input. |
| 17:01.20 | adamowitz | Any solutions? |
| 17:01.24 | adamowitz | or work-arounds? |
| 17:01.38 | bloodskin | /msg chanserv register password description |
| 17:01.45 | bloodskin | i think thats the syntex |
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| 17:02.12 | Ronin | Xbill: /msg chanserv help |
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| 17:02.30 | builderman | Can anyone confirm that they have Tanberg RDX QuickStor SATA backup devices working OK with Etch or Sarge? We are considering using them. Have you any other insights on these? |
| 17:02.51 | bloodskin | /msg chanserv register #channel password |
| 17:03.00 | bloodskin | thats the proper syntex |
| 17:03.43 | bloodskin | can someone yhelp me with http://paste.debian.net/26665 ? i know its not in my sources.list file. |
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| 17:04.36 | Xbill | password root |
| 17:04.45 | bloodskin | ? |
| 17:04.54 | Ronin | ya you may want to pick a better one that that Xbill |
| 17:05.14 | bloodskin | try f1r3cr07ch |
| 17:05.19 | bloodskin | or something |
| 17:06.01 | paolo | now is good the nick ? |
| 17:06.07 | bloodskin | ronin do you know what could be causing http://paste.debian.net/26665 |
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| 17:07.28 | Ronin | umm bloodskin dapper? |
| 17:07.36 | bloodskin | ? |
| 17:07.46 | bloodskin | i run debian etch |
| 17:07.50 | Ronin | mixing debian and ubuntu sources isnt a good thing |
| 17:08.16 | bloodskin | i tried to install wine by compileinbg it myself, and EVERYONE in winehq kept saying to use the dapper version |
| 17:08.34 | Ronin | sure if you run dapper :) |
| 17:08.44 | Ronin | you dont like the version of wine in etch? |
| 17:08.47 | bloodskin | i kept telling them i was on etch amd64 |
| 17:08.59 | bloodskin | they was like it doesnt matter, itll work! |
| 17:09.08 | hark | better to backport it from sid, i guess |
| 17:09.17 | bloodskin | i didnt know etch had one built in |
| 17:09.31 | Ronin | theres also as hark said backports |
| 17:09.41 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:09.47 | Amarande | I'm assuming wine demands full access to the sound card |
| 17:09.53 | Amarande | since I'm getting silence in vlc while running wow in wine |
| 17:09.56 | bloodskin | so how would i fix that |
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| 17:11.00 | hipodilski | My fonts in my X are very small how can I increase the font size. I'm using windowmaker |
| 17:11.05 | hipodilski | any help would be appreciated |
| 17:11.06 | bloodskin | i cant use apt-get update because thats what generated that error. i know its not in my sources file because ive checked it and it is all debian links |
| 17:11.23 | Ronin | # |
| 17:11.23 | Ronin | Get:3 http://wine.budgetdedicated.com dapper Release.gpg [191B] |
| 17:11.35 | Ronin | thats in your source list bloodskin remove that |
| 17:11.43 | bloodskin | no its not |
| 17:11.47 | bloodskin | i already checked |
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| 17:12.02 | Ronin | post /etc/apt/sources.list please and thank you |
| 17:12.13 | sohmestra | bloodskin: then y ou haven't done an apt-get update since you removed it. |
| 17:12.16 | bloodskin | like i said, i have already checked |
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| 17:12.33 | Ronin | have you done apt-get never mind :) sohmestra beat me to it |
| 17:12.48 | bloodskin | yes i have man |
| 17:12.51 | bloodskin | i checked the file |
| 17:12.56 | bloodskin | then did apt-get |
| 17:13.08 | bloodskin | here, ill do it all again |
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| 17:13.56 | bloodskin | http://paste.debian.net/26666 |
| 17:14.04 | bloodskin | there is my sources file |
| 17:14.17 | sohmestra | bloodskin: post the full output of: cat /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install <whatever you are trying to install> |
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| 17:14.41 | stew | use aptitude |
| 17:14.57 | bloodskin | can i just replace install with update?' |
| 17:15.09 | sohmestra | bloodskin: no. |
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| 17:16.39 | Saizan | hi, is it normal that after adding a group g and changing a directory from 755 root:root to 750 root:g and having my user account added to the group g i can't read that directory from shells spawned before this change? |
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| 17:16.50 | chops | Saizan: Yes |
| 17:17.00 | chops | Saizan: Group membership is set based on /etc/group at login |
| 17:17.06 | bloodskin | http://paste.debian.net/26667 there is the outcome |
| 17:17.20 | Saizan | no way to avoid killing and restarting ? |
| 17:17.28 | hark | Saizan: you can use newgrp |
| 17:17.28 | Saizan | the old shells i mean |
| 17:18.34 | Saizan | hark: so "newgrp -" shoudl suffice? |
| 17:19.14 | sohmestra | bloodskin: ls /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 17:19.22 | bloodskin | ? |
| 17:19.27 | grendelson | How do I clear the cache policy for apt? I removed my preference s file and reran apt-update but I sitll am getting the etch version of the pacakagte over the WineHQ version with a higer version #? |
| 17:19.43 | sohmestra | bloodskin: i'm curious as to what that directory contains |
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| 17:20.09 | hark | Saizan: tias |
| 17:20.22 | sohmestra | bloodskin: make that: ls -R /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 17:21.46 | bloodskin | paster in undergoing service |
| 17:21.54 | sohmestra | try dpaste.com |
| 17:22.03 | bloodskin | ok |
| 17:22.49 | Amarande | ok, where on the debian site do source debs reside? |
| 17:22.54 | bloodskin | http://dpaste.com/9173/ |
| 17:22.54 | Amarande | I've never been able to find them lately |
| 17:23.30 | bloodskin | delete those wine files? |
| 17:23.39 | stew | grendelson: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy packagename' for whatever pacakge you're having trouble with use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:23.59 | bloodskin | wine.budgetdedicated.com_apt_dists_dapper_Release and his friend? |
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| 17:24.14 | sohmestra | bloodskin: delete the *budgetdedicated* stuff |
| 17:24.46 | bloodskin | is there a way to do it using the terminal? i dont want to switch users just to do that |
| 17:24.48 | stew | bloodskin: why are you installing dapper packages onto etch? |
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| 17:24.59 | Amarande | Light, where ARE the source debs anyway? |
| 17:25.12 | stoned | rahul: do you know what an `unda` is? |
| 17:25.13 | sohmestra | stew: someone misinformed him. |
| 17:25.25 | bloodskin | stew: i tried to install wine and everyone in #winehq insisted that i just use the dapper version instead of compileing it from source |
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| 17:25.35 | stew | wow |
| 17:25.42 | stoned | crazy |
| 17:25.42 | chops | bloodskin: I notice that you're asking #debian to fix the resulting breakage, and not #winehq :-/ |
| 17:25.43 | Ronin | bloodskin: in term su to root then delete them |
| 17:25.49 | sohmestra | bloodskin: you can use su, or if you've got sudo installed, sudo rm /path/to/file |
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| 17:26.17 | torrr | anyone knows how to make the update manager not offer me updates for a package that I have modified? |
| 17:26.28 | bloodskin | im not familiar with unix commands, thats why i asl |
| 17:26.28 | chops | torrr: Hold the package |
| 17:26.29 | bloodskin | ask* |
| 17:26.30 | Amarande | I'm trying to find the source deb for sid's version of wine |
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| 17:26.42 | chops | Amarande: apt-get source wine |
| 17:26.44 | torrr | chops, I tried to hold it, but it didn't help |
| 17:26.58 | chops | torrr: ? |
| 17:27.00 | torrr | chops, maybe I didn't do it right. I did what dpkg said |
| 17:27.05 | grendelson | stew sorry I was AFK |
| 17:27.07 | grendelson | one sec |
| 17:27.12 | stoned | stew: i tried to find out why rm -d was not advised for say ext3 fs bu i was unseccessful. could you kindly tell me why? |
| 17:27.14 | chops | torrr: Holding packages should certainly work :-) |
| 17:27.35 | stoned | rm -rd* |
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| 17:27.48 | sohmestra | bloodskin: do: su; rm /var/lib/apt/*budgetdedicated*; |
| 17:28.06 | torrr | I did uptitude found the package , pressed =, an h appeared next to the package, and I am still being oferred to update it |
| 17:28.11 | chops | torrr: I think the command is "aptitude install localpkg=" |
| 17:28.15 | chops | torrr: Huh |
| 17:28.22 | stew | stoned: i dont' think ext3 allows directory hard linking so i dont' think it would do anything |
| 17:28.45 | bloodskin | screw this, im just going to switch users |
| 17:28.45 | torrr | !hold |
| 17:28.45 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 17:28.48 | stoned | anything as in? |
| 17:28.54 | bloodskin | brb |
| 17:28.59 | sohmestra | bloodskin: sorry, do: su; rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*budgetdedicated*; |
| 17:29.08 | bloodskin | lol |
| 17:29.18 | stoned | stew: rahul said something about leaking inodes |
| 17:29.39 | grendelson | stew: http://rafb.net/p/FVTmRr86.html <-- You'll ntoe I installed the deb manually - but everytime I upgrade it thinks the etch versionis the corret one... |
| 17:29.39 | bloodskin | its ok, mistakes happen. im prime example |
| 17:29.44 | torrr | chops, I did the other thing dpkg said too with the echo |
| 17:29.45 | stoned | bloodskin: you were MISTAKE? |
| 17:29.46 | Saizan | is there some known issue with the nvidia driver installer on debian? (my card is not supported by the packages on sid) |
| 17:29.50 | stoned | j/k |
| 17:29.53 | bloodskin | lol |
| 17:30.02 | grendelson | stew I do have a DEfault in my apt.conf does that effect it? |
| 17:30.05 | bloodskin | actually i was born on accident but we wont go into that |
| 17:30.12 | stew | stoned: i dont' know what -r and -d would do together, -d is for unlinking a directory without first deleting its contents which probably only makes sense with a filesystem that does directory hardlinking |
| 17:30.35 | klim_ | jelly: btw, it's best to put swap partition on raid5 or 1 for protection againt data corruption just incase the swap partition or disk goes bad, right? |
| 17:30.36 | xeihin | guys the #postfix people its sayin that the problem its of debian |
| 17:30.36 | xeihin | can you help me then please? |
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| 17:30.36 | stoned | isee |
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| 17:30.57 | chops | torrr: I'm not sure what to tell you... 'hold' does work, for me at least. It won't prevent you from explicitly upgrading the held package, but it should prevent the held package from being upgraded as a result of any other operation. |
| 17:30.57 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:30.59 | klim_ | jelly: here's my setup with 3 disks - /boot 100mb raid1 + hotspare and the rest / on raid 5, any suggestions? |
| 17:30.59 | Amarande | even sid only has 0.9.31 :| |
| 17:31.13 | chops | klim_: Very much so |
| 17:31.16 | stoned | stewTHANKS |
| 17:31.20 | Mankod1 | xeihin, if you have a lady, yes :) |
| 17:31.26 | stoned | DAMN KEYBOARD |
| 17:31.27 | torrr | :( |
| 17:31.33 | stoned | fuck! caps |
| 17:31.37 | xeihin | xD |
| 17:31.39 | xeihin | I have a lady |
| 17:31.40 | xeihin | xD |
| 17:31.44 | xeihin | Im a lady xD |
| 17:31.49 | stoned | ? |
| 17:31.55 | torrr | I now need to be careful of this upgrade wizzard |
| 17:32.11 | xeihin | so guys can yo help me with my postfix please? |
| 17:32.37 | stew | grendelson: default is why you have 990 for etch, and 500 for the others. if you want to force a downgrade, you'd have to set the priority for that package to >1000 or you have to explicitly request a specific version with something like "aptitude install wine=0.9.25-2.1" |
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| 17:32.53 | jelly | Amarande: Debian's wine maintainer usually keeps pace with upstream, try filing a wishlist bug to remind him ;-) |
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| 17:33.02 | Sebboh | I have a Radeon 7000. What do I need to install or run to make it possible to play SecondLife (3d app)? |
| 17:33.04 | stew | grendelson: (man apt_prefrences) |
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| 17:34.10 | Amarande | anyway, let's see if wow runs under 0.9.31 |
| 17:34.10 | stoned | jelly: jelly-home: 2 diff people? |
| 17:34.10 | Amarande | oh, blood and ashes |
| 17:34.10 | bloodskin | when i do apt-get update it just remakes those files |
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| 17:34.11 | Amarande | what's the command to build the binary package after you extract a source deb? |
| 17:34.12 | stoned | !package baiscs |
| 17:34.12 | jelly | klim_: looks ok, arrange the rest of your partitions (well, / and swap) to your liking. ;-) |
| 17:34.13 | stoned | !package basics |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | somebody said package basics was The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 17:34.13 | jelly | stoned: :-) |
| 17:34.14 | xeihin | I get this error on /var/log/mail.err |
| 17:34.22 | xeihin | Apr 27 09:46:53 virtual1 postfix/master[1610]: fatal: pipe: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:34.26 | grendelson | Stew - tahnks I cleard the preferences but forgot about the apr.conf which I needed since I pulled from testing and unstable... |
| 17:34.30 | grendelson | I'll clear that as welll |
| 17:34.41 | stoned | Amarande: read package basics |
| 17:34.41 | grendelson | and just pin PAN (the only one I want pinned now |
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| 17:34.54 | jelly | stoned: well, he might miss a release of three now and then, but TBH I don't see much difference between 0.9.31 and 0.9.34 myself |
| 17:35.00 | jelly | s/of/or/ |
| 17:35.03 | klim_ | sure, / and swap on raid5 |
| 17:35.05 | bloodskin | well, i want to install i386 anyways. amd64 is too under supported |
| 17:35.09 | yhan | does anyone knows where I could get some support for wpa_supplicant ? |
| 17:35.37 | rahul | stoned: I'm in middlebury, ct |
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| 17:35.42 | VolkerH | !dvb |
| 17:35.42 | dpkg | from memory, dvb is DigitalVideoBroadcast.MPEG2 Streams are sent to TV and decoded digitally.See http://www.linuxdvd.org for more infos |
| 17:35.42 | stoned | why? |
| 17:35.43 | sohmestra | bloodskin: try removing: /var/cache/apt/{,src}pkgcache.bin |
| 17:35.43 | rahul | where ever the fuck that is |
| 17:36.00 | rahul | stoned that's the lead singer and drummer's parents' place |
| 17:36.00 | stew | why not just apt-get update? |
| 17:36.01 | Amarande | curiouser and curiouser :| |
| 17:36.02 | jelly | yhan: have you read man wpa_supplicant.conf? |
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| 17:36.16 | Amarande | why does the wine source deb depend on the *old* version of flex to build when I apt-get build-dep :| |
| 17:36.18 | stoned | rahul: i asked because i am eating unda & paratha & chaye |
| 17:36.18 | VolkerH | what the f*ck |
| 17:36.19 | stoned | :D |
| 17:36.20 | bongo | hi, what was the reason kernel-patch-vserver was not included in etch ? |
| 17:36.23 | Amarande | I wonder if I can get away with putting back the new flex |
| 17:36.24 | rahul | heh |
| 17:36.24 | h3sp4wn | yhan: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 17:36.30 | concept10 | Anyone work at ISP or datacenter? |
| 17:36.31 | VolkerH | can please someone remove the dvb entry |
| 17:36.35 | VolkerH | the site is offline |
| 17:36.45 | stew | VolkerH: is there a better site? |
| 17:36.48 | VolkerH | no |
| 17:36.51 | Amarande | is there a specific reason the wine source deb needs flex-old and not flex? |
| 17:36.52 | stoned | concept10: i used to work for cox |
| 17:36.53 | VolkerH | and that is my problem |
| 17:36.54 | grendelson | stew Right after I clean the apt.conf from a default I should then beable to run apt-update and see the newest wine version as the highest... |
| 17:36.59 | grendelson | I think :-) |
| 17:37.02 | jelly | concept10: why? |
| 17:37.09 | h3sp4wn | yhan: (tells you how to use it from /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 17:37.09 | VolkerH | I need some app who can watch TV via dvb-t |
| 17:37.25 | stew | !dvb =~ s#http://www.linuxdvd.org#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB# |
| 17:37.26 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 17:37.36 | concept10 | jelly, I was wondering the average salary for a Data Center Technician Level I/II/III |
| 17:37.58 | stoned | 36k+ |
| 17:38.00 | hark | VolkerH: maybe it's linuxdvb.org instead |
| 17:38.06 | stew | grendelson: no, since the intsalled version is higher than the etch version |
| 17:38.10 | stoned | l3==75k+ |
| 17:38.14 | stoned | afaik |
| 17:38.15 | jelly | concept10: dunno about US, hope it's better than here :-) |
| 17:38.49 | stew | !dvb =~ s#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB#http://www.linuxtv.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB# |
| 17:38.49 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:38.53 | concept10 | thanks stoned, jelly |
| 17:39.15 | stoned | concept10: i AVE THE BARE MIN] |
| 17:39.21 | bloodskin | still remakes them |
| 17:39.25 | Seb | so, fglrx is broken in unstable it seems ? |
| 17:39.28 | stoned | damn keyboiard |
| 17:39.30 | concept10 | If I put aptitude on my resume, i should be able to apply for level 3 |
| 17:39.40 | Seb | by this 1.3.0.0 vs 7.1.0.0 versioning ? |
| 17:39.44 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 17:40.30 | stoned | read |
| 17:40.30 | VolkerH | btw |
| 17:40.30 | gpm | !sid |
| 17:40.30 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:40.30 | VolkerH | I have a quicktime mov |
| 17:40.31 | gpm | better to read |
| 17:40.31 | VolkerH | only kaffeine/noatun can play it |
| 17:40.31 | VolkerH | vlc and mplayer/ffmpeg/mencoder fail |
| 17:40.31 | bloodskin | sohmestra it still remakes them |
| 17:40.32 | stoned | !w32codecs |
| 17:40.32 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 17:40.47 | stoned | it contains quicktime decoders |
| 17:40.52 | VolkerH | file output: Schneeweiß.mov: DIF (DV) movie file (PAL) |
| 17:40.53 | stew | VolkerH: debian is prevented from distributing the codecs needed for mplayer to play quicktime due to patent restrictions |
| 17:40.56 | h3sp4wn | concept10: If level 3 is the top level when I worked for an isp - level 3 consisted of alot of programming (ip masquarading and exim development my boss's did alot of) long time ago though now |
| 17:41.02 | Seb | stoned: thx |
| 17:41.06 | stoned | yup |
| 17:41.11 | VolkerH | stew, well, Noatun can play them, thats the strange |
| 17:42.31 | Seb | stoned: easiest way to downgrade ? |
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| 17:42.44 | Seb | stoned: i can getch the deb myself, but how about potential dependencies ? |
| 17:42.49 | Seb | s/getch/fetch/ |
| 17:43.02 | stoned | my buiddy did bachelors in information securit from LSU and now makes close to 200k/yr |
| 17:43.04 | gpm | Seb: no easy way to downgrade |
| 17:43.07 | VolkerH | stew, even after installing w32codecs, Mplayer outputs no video and a totally borken sound |
| 17:43.13 | gpm | Seb: you'll have to fetch the deps too |
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| 17:43.19 | gpm | and downgrade if necessary |
| 17:43.24 | stew | VolkerH: the w32codecs is the one that debian cannot distribute |
| 17:43.25 | VolkerH | is there a video converter based on Noatun available? |
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| 17:43.29 | gpm | but probably it's ok to have a newer version of the deps |
| 17:43.29 | Seb | gpm: yeah, in general, i know that, i was wondering if somehow in this particular case someone wrote something maybe :> |
| 17:43.39 | VolkerH | stew, I also have d-mm in my sources.list |
| 17:43.40 | gpm | Seb: not that i know of :( |
| 17:43.44 | Seb | gpm: aight, I'll get going |
| 17:44.14 | stoned | Seb: add a source for the etch.. then update and then apt-get -t stable xserver-xorg-core |
| 17:44.15 | bloodskin | this is not cool |
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| 17:44.32 | keith80403 | Congratulate me. I have an accidental partial upgrade from Sarge -> Etch. System boots but can't find the ethernet card. Is there a FAQ that will help me out of this mess? |
| 17:44.43 | stew | keith80403: /msg dpkg etch |
| 17:44.44 | bloodskin | i have to have apt-get working so that i can install i386 |
| 17:44.46 | Seb | stoned: sounds good |
| 17:44.54 | bloodskin | because amd64 blows |
| 17:45.07 | keith80403 | stew, Thanks, and wish me luck (-: |
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| 17:45.10 | stew | keith80403: you probably just have to modprobe the driver for your ethernet card and /etc/init.d/networking restart to get yourself back onto thenet |
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| 17:45.29 | daryl | guys, I have the latest testing netinstall cd |
| 17:45.29 | daryl | when it gets to the "Install the base system" I get the error: |
| 17:45.32 | h3sp4wn | Seb: You could rebuild xserver-xorg-core (and change the string to 7.1.0.0) |
| 17:45.33 | jelly | Seb: I think purging all of X (/msg dpkg remove x) and reinstalling what stoned said from stable could work |
| 17:45.33 | daryl | Debootstrap Error - Failed getting Release signature file file:///cdrom/dists/etch/Release.gpg |
| 17:45.34 | keith80403 | stew, Alright I'll try that. Don't have but a few Etch packages though, that's what scares me. |
| 17:45.37 | stew | keith80403: you probably removed hotplug which was previously automotically loading it for you |
| 17:45.40 | daryl | any ideas? |
| 17:45.43 | stoned | jelly: no need for that |
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| 17:45.58 | keith80403 | stew, Hmmm, ok. Will see what I can do. |
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| 17:46.06 | stoned | jelly: apt- will handle it just fine.. only one package needs to be downgraded and thats it |
| 17:46.13 | bloodskin | can i use the netinstall cd without burning it to a cd |
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| 17:46.17 | jelly | stoned: oh, it's not a real dependency, just some dumb version check in fglrx? |
| 17:46.17 | stew | keith80403: do you know which kenrel modules supports your network card? |
| 17:46.34 | stoned | jelly: there are no depends for fglrx concerning Xorg versions |
| 17:46.35 | h3sp4wn | Seb: It definately works with xorg 7.2 (ubuntu has it working anyway) they fixed it by doing exactly that |
| 17:46.39 | nmee | I want to check out how to deploy Debian on a lot of servers, installing and booting them from the network... should be able to have individual configurations for each server. Any suggestions on where I should start? |
| 17:46.51 | stew | bloodskin: yes, you can do a hd-media install or a usb-install with the netinst in an iso, or you can debootstrap |
| 17:46.52 | Seb | h3sp4wn: i need something quicker right now ;) |
| 17:46.56 | stoned | Seb: just do what I said and you'll be fine.. I did this like.. 2 days ago :) |
| 17:46.57 | Seb | h3sp4wn: i'll build one this WE |
| 17:47.02 | stew | bloodskin: (this has been answered for you a couple times already iirc) |
| 17:47.03 | keith80403 | stew, No I don't, I have a VIA TEchnologies VT6102 ethernet. |
| 17:47.07 | Seb | stoned: yeah what you proposed sounds good, doing it now |
| 17:47.10 | jelly | stoned: I see. I'm using free drivers, no idea about how fglrx works |
| 17:47.22 | stoned | jelly: it works like ... lets just say it sucks |
| 17:47.23 | stoned | brb |
| 17:47.26 | bloodskin | yea but noone has actually said more than yes untill today |
| 17:47.27 | stew | keith80403: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' " return? |
| 17:47.29 | sohmestra | bloodskin: could you try copying and pasting this: su; ls -R /var/{lib,cache}/apt; rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*budgetdedicated*; rm /var/cache/apt/{,src}pkgcache.bin; apt-get update; ls -R /var/{lib,cache}/apt; |
| 17:47.36 | stew | bloodskin: /msg dpkg i-g |
| 17:47.46 | sohmestra | bloodskin: and paste the whole terminal session, including the commands, and all output |
| 17:47.56 | bloodskin | ok |
| 17:48.01 | keith80403 | stew, 1106:3065 |
| 17:48.05 | stew | sohmestra: why would he remove those files instead of just running apt-get update? |
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| 17:48.31 | stew | keith80403: modprobe via-rhine |
| 17:48.33 | enouf | same results using a su - console .. ugh |
| 17:48.40 | sohmestra | stew: because for some reason, he says those files reappear after running apt-get update |
| 17:48.44 | stew | keith80403: and put 'via-rhine' into /etc/modules |
| 17:48.46 | keith80403 | stew, OK will do |
| 17:48.53 | sohmestra | stew: I'm trying to verify that |
| 17:48.55 | stew | sohmestra: then he needs to edit sources.list and or sources.list.d |
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| 17:49.13 | bloodskin | it wont show the full session. let me try a different terminal |
| 17:49.14 | stew | keith80403: then try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 17:49.16 | sohmestra | stew: i've already suggested that |
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| 17:49.35 | sohmestra | bloodskin: include: cat /etc/apt/sources.list, as well |
| 17:49.39 | keith80403 | stew, should via-rhine go in any order in the file, top, bottom ? |
| 17:49.56 | stew | keith80403: doesn't matter, just as long as its on a line by itself in that file |
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| 17:49.59 | daryl | when the latest netinstall cd gets to the "Install the base system" I get the error: Debootstrap Error - Failed getting Release signature file file:///cdrom/dists/etch/Release.gpg -- how can I get it to work? |
| 17:50.04 | volker__ | rehi |
| 17:50.06 | volker__ | flow from net |
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| 17:50.51 | OwlEye | after the upgrade from sarge to etch i have a mysterious problem with ssh logins. root login is disabled. login with normal system users results in a failed login attempt. but when i boot to rescue mode, chroot to the debian system and set a new password with passwd the result stays the same. any ideas? |
| 17:50.53 | bloodskin | ya know what, i think i found the problem. we never checked sources.list.d |
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| 17:51.05 | keith80403 | stew, eth0: unknown hardware address type 24 |
| 17:51.19 | rahul | does mirc even support connecting to multiple irc nets? |
| 17:51.24 | stew | keith80403: does "ifconfig -a" list more than just eth0? an eth1 perhaps? |
| 17:51.31 | OwlEye | rahul, since 6.00 |
| 17:51.55 | rahul | hmm. no clue how to get it to do that, then |
| 17:52.11 | OwlEye | rahul, use "/server -m" |
| 17:52.31 | sohmestra | bloodskin: hmm. sounds likely. that must be new in etch.. |
| 17:52.38 | keith80403 | stew, eth0 says Link encap:UNSPEC, but eth1's entry looks normal |
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| 17:52.54 | haxality_ | hello, I was wondering how to remove a bunch of duplicate audio files. |
| 17:53.01 | stew | keith80403: then likely your eth0 got renamed to eth1, do you use dhcp? |
| 17:53.08 | haxality_ | I figured there was probably some really cool regex snippet or something that would work |
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| 17:53.23 | ragnul | yay |
| 17:53.28 | keith80403 | stew, Yes |
| 17:53.40 | stoned | rahul: yes it does |
| 17:53.45 | enouf | actually without sudo , i get-> /dev/hdc2: error open volume <-- which is nonsense |
| 17:54.01 | stoned | rahul: /server -m I think.. Consult mirc.hlp dude.. or just download xchat for windows |
| 17:54.04 | stew | keith80403: try "dhclient eth1" see if it gets you the network. if so, you'll want to edit /etc/network/interfaces and change eth0 to eth1 wherever it appears in that file |
| 17:54.19 | rahul | yep, got it |
| 17:54.20 | stoned | rahul: I make sure I can always putty/ssh into my linux box from anywhere in the world... |
| 17:54.25 | stoned | :) |
| 17:54.27 | bloodskin | thats what the problem wasd |
| 17:54.28 | rahul | heh |
| 17:54.32 | rahul | I shut it down |
| 17:54.35 | stoned | rahul: cheapo |
| 17:54.36 | bloodskin | apt-get update now works |
| 17:54.39 | bloodskin | :D |
| 17:54.47 | bloodskin | thanks people |
| 17:54.49 | stoned | rahul: well I guess electricity is 40% more expensive than louisiana |
| 17:54.49 | stoned | heh |
| 17:54.53 | stoned | here |
| 17:55.07 | bloodskin | mainly sohmestra and stew |
| 17:55.36 | OwlEye | after the upgrade from sarge to etch i have a mysterious problem with ssh logins. root login is disabled. login with normal system users results in a failed login attempt. but when i boot to rescue mode, chroot to the debian system and set a new password with passwd the result stays the same. any ideas? |
| 17:55.54 | rahul | heh |
| 17:55.58 | bloodskin | hmmm |
| 17:56.19 | stew | OwlEye: can you verify that /etc/shadow is actually changing when you run passwd? |
| 17:56.21 | rahul | stoned I also don't have a UPS that's powerful enough for my machine |
| 17:56.22 | keith80403 | stew, dhclient worked, thanks. What do I do about my unintentional and accidental and partial Etch upgrade? Says Debian 4.0 when I rebooted. Any chance I can successfully complete the upgrade to Etch? |
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| 17:56.35 | rahul | stoned so I don't want to risk brownouts while I;m away |
| 17:56.35 | bloodskin | i wonder. if i were to try to boot a cd from a usb-hdd would i leave it in iso form and put it directly on the hdd or would i unpack it to the hdd |
| 17:56.48 | OwlEye | steve, i can check that later. what would you do if it does not change? |
| 17:56.53 | bloodskin | im guessing i would have to unpack it |
| 17:56.57 | stew | keith80403: follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 17:57.14 | keith80403 | stew, OK thanks, here we go........ |
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| 17:57.38 | stoned | rahul: how long are you away for? |
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| 17:57.57 | rahul | stoned 4:00 train back into the city |
| 17:58.20 | rahul | or 4:30, something like that... the drummer's figuring it out heh |
| 17:58.36 | stew | OwlEye: make sure i was really chrooting where i thought i was. you can check the values in /etc/shadow with mkpasswd too, like if a shadow entry is "$!$________112312312312..." the eight _'s are the salt, "mkpasswd -H md5 -S________" will prompt you for a password and should generate the string you see in /etc/shadow |
| 17:58.37 | stoned | rahul: ahh word |
| 17:58.40 | rahul | gonna see my PRIMMS tonight! |
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| 17:59.08 | SoftIce | hello, I know everyone is going to say this is not supported, but based on theory, is it possible to downgrade a debian version ? |
| 17:59.16 | rahul | SoftIce no |
| 17:59.17 | stoned | !downgrade |
| 17:59.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 17:59.20 | OwlEye | stew, deleting and rebuilding /etc/shadow is not possible? |
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| 17:59.33 | rahul | SoftIce it requires prescience to downgrade |
| 17:59.37 | stoned | SoftIce: downgrading from testing/unstable to etch can work, but not back to sarge |
| 17:59.42 | rahul | in which case, you wouldn;t have upgraded in the first place |
| 17:59.51 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:59.57 | keith80403 | stew, One more question - previously I used eth0 - how do I force the system to switch back to it, should I want to? |
| 18:00.02 | Amarande | I uninstalled a package (cedega) and it left its entry in the master menus in GNOME |
| 18:00.05 | Amarande | where do I edit those? |
| 18:00.07 | stew | OwlEye: there is nothing to build it from, other than running passwd a bunch of times (which, seems to not be working) |
| 18:00.14 | bloodskin | can you downgrade from amd64 to etch using apt-get? |
| 18:00.20 | stoned | Amarande: #gnome |
| 18:00.21 | rahul | Amarande man update-menus, I believe |
| 18:00.21 | stew | keith80403: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 18:00.34 | stoned | rahul: gnome menu != debian menu |
| 18:00.35 | rahul | stoned debian manages menus generically |
| 18:00.38 | bloodskin | uh |
| 18:00.46 | keith80403 | stew, 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 18:00.51 | bloodskin | i mean amd64 to i386 on etch* i r noob |
| 18:00.52 | rahul | stoned they stopped building it from the debian menus? |
| 18:00.59 | rahul | tards. |
| 18:01.05 | yalu | hello again... I hae a scsi controller (from lsi logic) with an external tape drive. it was turned off when I booted. it doesn't get getecte when I turn it on (obviously), can I tell the scsi controller to rescan the bus or something? |
| 18:01.08 | stew | keith80403: after you upgrade to an etch kernel, edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:01.14 | stoned | rahul: they never built it from that afaik, gnome menu reads off of it, but it is not changed by update-menus |
| 18:01.32 | stoned | gnome-menu is changed by some gnome app or by editings its particular menu files |
| 18:01.38 | stoned | not by `menu` package |
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| 18:01.46 | keith80403 | stew, I got warnings about the kernel, I'll tell it to go ahead and install it when I aptitude update / aptitude upgrade now.... |
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| 18:01.57 | keith80403 | stew, OK, thanks again. |
| 18:01.59 | stew | keith80403: just don't let it remove your running kernel, EVER |
| 18:02.00 | rahul | what a mess |
| 18:02.01 | SoftIce | stoned: and why not back to sarge, i mean if you re-build every package, or is it due to packages becoming discountinued and don't know how to roll back to names that don't exsist? |
| 18:02.15 | stew | keith80403: if you follow the upgrade procedure, it shoudn't want to |
| 18:02.16 | stoned | SoftIce: why not just keep your config files the ones you need and reinstall sarge? |
| 18:02.29 | stoned | SoftIce: read the dpkg factoid /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 18:02.32 | rahul | SoftIce that, and the scripts might do things that the old package doesn't know about |
| 18:02.56 | SoftIce | stoned: i dont want to downgrade im just wondering in theory if carried out and a bit of patience can it be done |
| 18:02.59 | keith80403 | stew, OK. |
| 18:03.05 | stoned | SoftIce: anything can be done. |
| 18:03.08 | rahul | SoftIce it can';t be automated. |
| 18:03.11 | SoftIce | :0 |
| 18:03.27 | stoned | I can chose to be a woman too if I want... we have the technology :) |
| 18:03.27 | rahul | yes, anything. I could even penixstrike you! |
| 18:03.32 | stoned | lol |
| 18:03.35 | rahul | heh |
| 18:04.37 | stoned | you know beryl isn't all that bad. |
| 18:04.42 | rahul | well, that killed the convo |
| 18:04.44 | stoned | I like the windowmanager shortcuts |
| 18:04.51 | rahul | what shortcuts? |
| 18:04.51 | stew | bloodskin: no, you'd have to reinstall |
| 18:04.56 | stoned | rahul: stuff. |
| 18:05.05 | rahul | I have shortcuts for moving windows around in sawfish |
| 18:05.08 | stoned | its cool looking |
| 18:05.15 | rahul | yo mama is cool looking |
| 18:05.17 | stoned | rahul: I've got kwin configured out the wazoo |
| 18:05.25 | rahul | kwin can't do this, afaik |
| 18:05.26 | stoned | rahul: please stop. |
| 18:05.36 | rahul | heh :\ |
| 18:05.49 | stoned | rahul: kwin can't do what? |
| 18:06.06 | rahul | I have win-shift-arrow slide a window up to the next window's border |
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| 18:06.18 | xand | wtf |
| 18:06.19 | stoned | why? |
| 18:06.27 | rahul | so I can arrange windows |
| 18:06.35 | OwlEye | for sshd, the config option "RSAAuthentication yes" is alright? |
| 18:06.37 | rahul | if I want a tiled setup or whatever |
| 18:06.41 | SoftIce | can somebody tell me, are ubuntu releases based on debian releases, what i mean does ubuntu require debian to release an update for them to, or do they run total sepretely, why i also ask is beause i find in most releases the package versions are very similar? |
| 18:06.45 | stoned | rahul: I have 8 virtual desktops.. I don't manage windows :) |
| 18:06.55 | stoned | rahul: I have a graphical pager at the bottom panel |
| 18:07.01 | rahul | stoned so do I |
| 18:07.02 | xand | OwlEye: why do you want that? |
| 18:07.07 | vulture | SoftIce: They're based off Debian Sid, if I'm not mistaken (maybe from Testing) |
| 18:07.11 | stoned | I have keyshorcuts to switch workspaces |
| 18:07.12 | vulture | But not off official Debian releases. |
| 18:07.16 | rahul | stoned I'm talking about arranging them within a workspace |
| 18:07.23 | vulture | Ubuntu's release cycle is shorter than Debian's, so that wouldn't make sense. |
| 18:07.23 | xand | SoftIce: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:07.25 | OwlEye | i dont want that, its the default setting. and i am wondering if that causes problems |
| 18:07.29 | rahul | stoned I have shortcuts to move windows from workspace to workspace |
| 18:07.38 | rahul | stoned in 3 dimensions, no less |
| 18:07.38 | stoned | rahul: I hardly have more than 1-2 windows per workspace but yeh i know what you're saying |
| 18:07.48 | stoned | I hate clutter |
| 18:08.06 | vulture | and what xand said |
| 18:08.10 | SoftIce | and 1 last lame question :) will debian release something like ubuntu has done, long term release, eg 5 year support on a version ? |
| 18:08.10 | xand | OwlEye: I'm not sure that it *is* the default... at least it's not on my debian machines |
| 18:08.17 | stoned | rahul: my desktop left click == window list menu, and right click == application menu.. I don't use taskbars, hate them |
| 18:08.23 | xand | OwlEye: I'd say change it to "no" |
| 18:08.32 | OwlEye | ok, lets see :) |
| 18:09.00 | xand | OwlEye: oh sorry... "yes" is fine |
| 18:09.01 | rahul | stoned same here |
| 18:09.01 | OwlEye | and what does "priviledge separation" do? |
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| 18:09.37 | xand | OwlEye: the rsaauth only applies to ssh v1 which should be disabled anyway |
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| 18:10.22 | stoned | rahul: my beryl box runs xfce, and there is no way to have this mouse click behaviour in xfce.. windowlist menu is popable through middle click only and no way to configure it.. unless you hack xfdesktop/src/main.c and change the mouse bindings conditional statements |
| 18:10.28 | xand | OwlEye: that causes the sshd for each user to be run as that user instead of as root... you want that enabled |
| 18:10.31 | lancelot | good evening everybody |
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| 18:10.37 | rahul | stoned I have any behavior I want |
| 18:10.45 | rahul | stoned it's all just a config |
| 18:10.46 | bloodskin | hmmm. it doesnt say weather to leave the iso in tact or to extract it to the usb device....... |
| 18:10.48 | stoned | rahul: and i've been hacking xfce for a few days trying to make it work like kde and so far so good |
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| 18:10.59 | stoned | rahul: sawfish+wmaker docklets? |
| 18:11.06 | OwlEye | odd. |
| 18:11.14 | lancelot | i'm trying to use bootsplash but it seems it doesn't want run correctly |
| 18:11.14 | rahul | stoned yes |
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| 18:11.32 | lancelot | is there anyone uses bootsplash? |
| 18:11.48 | Vasistha | !anyone use |
| 18:11.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:12.03 | stoned | !ask |
| 18:12.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:12.06 | kth` | lancelot; Do you honestly and truly need a bootsplash? Linux is not there for rebooting you know ;) |
| 18:12.06 | stoned | lancelot: ^^ |
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| 18:12.22 | stoned | kth`: damn good point brother |
| 18:12.24 | zoidy | is it possible to merge 2 folders without copying one inside of the other? |
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| 18:12.45 | Vasistha | zoidy: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 18:12.54 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 18:12.54 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:13.01 | lancelot | i'm sorry |
| 18:13.07 | stoned | kth`: i personally like the DSL/Knoppix style color coded messages that whiz by during boot instead of bootsplash |
| 18:13.10 | simonrvn | why are you sorry? |
| 18:13.16 | zoidy | Vasishta: a little hard to explain, but I have 2 folders with similar folders inside them and different files, I want to merge the 2 of them into 1 folder |
| 18:13.22 | stoned | kth`: I would like to find out how to make all debian boot messages color coded |
| 18:13.23 | stoned | how? |
| 18:13.25 | rares000 | is there a way to downgrade every package listed as now? |
| 18:13.27 | lancelot | ok, i need bootsplah only for estetically reasons |
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| 18:13.36 | zoidy | Vasishta: right now the only way I can do this is using cp -r folder1/* folder2/ |
| 18:13.42 | h3sp4wn | stoned: have a look at how kanotix does it and hack it in |
| 18:13.42 | stoned | aesthetic* |
| 18:13.44 | simonrvn | 'aesthetic' |
| 18:13.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:13.48 | lancelot | my bootsplash does not run and i don't no why |
| 18:13.54 | stoned | h3sp4wn: hmm |
| 18:13.58 | Vasistha | zoidy: and is there a problem with that? You can use '-i' to avoid overwriting... |
| 18:14.00 | lancelot | yes simonrvn |
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| 18:14.07 | kth` | stoned; It probably involves using a framebuffer, and some kernel hacks |
| 18:14.09 | h3sp4wn | stoned: its mostly just sid |
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| 18:14.25 | h3sp4wn | (at least was at its last release) |
| 18:14.28 | zoidy | Vasishta: it's over 1TB of data :( I want to simply move it inside the other, but mv can't accomplish that |
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| 18:14.30 | stoned | kth`: yes framebuffer doesn't get loaded on my box until well after midway through boot |
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| 18:15.09 | lancelot | couldn't anyone help me? |
| 18:15.12 | kth` | stoned; Midway? Did you compile in framebuffer driver? |
| 18:15.26 | stoned | no |
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| 18:15.26 | zoidy | I suppose I'll have to use a bash script or just copy it all |
| 18:15.27 | stoned | it just get loaded by debian halfway through boot |
| 18:15.29 | Vasistha | zoidy: ahha, a valid problem indeed. Well, you could use 'find'. Would you like help constructing the command? |
| 18:15.30 | simonrvn | zoidy: need some sort of thingy to merge contents... like rsync or something |
| 18:15.35 | stoned | kth`: it just get loaded by debian halfway through boot |
| 18:15.49 | Vasistha | zoidy: yeah, rsync would probably be better :P |
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| 18:16.05 | zoidy | hmm that could work, let me look it up, thanks both of you |
| 18:16.14 | simonrvn | there's a few utils around in debian to do file/dir syncing |
| 18:16.20 | Vasistha | !tell lancelot -about bootsplash |
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| 18:16.24 | kth` | stoned; It's most likely a module then, and you can't expect them to load until root is mounted(about midway through boot) |
| 18:16.35 | stoned | kth`: I understand :) |
| 18:16.48 | x_link | Hi stoned ! =) |
| 18:16.52 | x_link | Have a minute in pm? |
| 18:16.53 | stoned | x_link: hi.. |
| 18:16.57 | stoned | yes sure |
| 18:17.02 | x_link | Thanks mate! =) |
| 18:17.07 | stoned | btw x_link I have not built those debian packages yet |
| 18:17.15 | x_link | ohh ok |
| 18:17.24 | stoned | I've been very busy lately |
| 18:17.38 | x_link | Alright |
| 18:17.41 | stoned | x_link: plus i have not heard from the upstream yet and there are some lisencing issues |
| 18:17.43 | x_link | Just tell me when you're done |
| 18:17.51 | x_link | ok |
| 18:17.58 | x_link | But can you not just make it for me? |
| 18:18.04 | stoned | I suppose I could |
| 18:18.10 | x_link | I don't mean that in a bad way =) |
| 18:18.10 | h3sp4wn | vesafb is never a module (it cannot be afaik) |
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| 18:18.14 | x_link | stoned: Great =) |
| 18:18.20 | stoned | x_link: give me some time and I'll see what I can do |
| 18:18.26 | x_link | stoned: Thanks mate! |
| 18:18.29 | x_link | I really appreciate it |
| 18:18.29 | stoned | np |
| 18:18.37 | x_link | The kids would be REALLY happy if they got that back. |
| 18:18.41 | x_link | They are tired of Supertux ;D |
| 18:18.55 | stoned | sure, actually i have to go pick up my niece from school in a bit, when I come back i'll compile it for you |
| 18:19.07 | x_link | wow that fast =) |
| 18:19.08 | x_link | Thanks mate |
| 18:19.16 | x_link | I don't use Debian Etch anymore. |
| 18:19.17 | stoned | keep in mind these are unofficial debs in this case and only I can support them here so don't ask for supoprt about them here |
| 18:19.20 | x_link | Just so you knoq. |
| 18:19.28 | zoidy | simonrvn: rsync works indeed, but it also copies all of the contents, which in my case is over 1TB, care to point me to one of the utils you mentioned? |
| 18:19.29 | x_link | stoned: Sure |
| 18:19.35 | x_link | stoned: I use Debian Testing now. |
| 18:19.45 | stoned | I'm on etch :) |
| 18:19.48 | x_link | Ohhh |
| 18:19.50 | stoned | but it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:19.53 | x_link | So I can't play that game? |
| 18:19.56 | x_link | ahh ok ;D |
| 18:19.57 | x_link | You're great ;D |
| 18:19.58 | Vasistha | zoidy: I assume this must be on the same device -- perhaps cp -l |
| 18:20.01 | simonrvn | zoidy: apt-cache search for them, i don't remember the names... oh, unison is one i think |
| 18:20.02 | x_link | I will get some food now |
| 18:20.06 | stoned | brb |
| 18:20.07 | x_link | But just PM me when your done. |
| 18:20.11 | keith80403 | stew, Changed stable to sarge at the appropriate place in sources.list. aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade, same as before. startx is missing, so looks like XFree86 is gone from the machine. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 didn't restore startx. Ideas? |
| 18:20.16 | x_link | Talk to you later stoned! |
| 18:20.18 | x_link | Bye |
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| 18:20.45 | zoidy | Vasistha: links won't work for me, unfortunately.. |
| 18:20.58 | bloodskin | can i boot an iso using grub? |
| 18:21.32 | Vasistha | zoidy: oh, you're using a primitive filesystem that doesn't support links? :P |
| 18:21.36 | stew | keith80403: you can't run sarge if you halfway upgraded to etch |
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| 18:22.06 | zoidy | Vasistha: nope, more like a primitive backend system that won't support it |
| 18:22.25 | zoidy | Vasistha: I'll just copy it all :( |
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| 18:22.42 | Vasistha | zoidy: well, seriously, we could do a find command combined with mv |
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| 18:23.19 | zoidy | Vasistha: yeah, I could probably do something using ruby, but it's a one time thing so it's not that big deal.. thanks a lot |
| 18:23.30 | Vasistha | zoidy: I should note I was impressed that this worked for me: mkdir a b a/c b/c; touch a/c/AC b/c/BC; cp -rl b/. a |
| 18:23.42 | keith80403 | stew, Don't know how far it got - shall I put stable back into sources.list and aptitude update / aptitude upgrade, then? Sorry, don't see any references to a half-installed Etch on that web page. |
| 18:23.55 | stoned | libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 <-- why is it labled ds1 and not dfsg like usual? |
| 18:23.58 | stoned | im confused |
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| 18:24.26 | stew | keith80403: yes, just assume you are starting at the beginning of the upgrade procedure. if at the END, you still don't have x, "aptitude isntall xorg" |
| 18:24.33 | stoned | or am i just not stoned |
| 18:24.39 | keith80403 | stew, OK thanks. |
| 18:24.39 | rahul | er ds and dfsg are different things |
| 18:24.42 | Vasistha | zoidy: well, I mean, it's not all that difficult to make a find command. I could probably concoct one in about 3 minutes |
| 18:24.46 | rahul | ds is security, no? |
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| 18:24.52 | stoned | ohhhh |
| 18:25.03 | stoned | right on. I was looking at the 2nd package down the list |
| 18:25.08 | keith80403 | stew, Shouldn't be any differences in apt-get or aptitude, am I correct? I usually use aptitude. |
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| 18:25.16 | zoidy | Vasistha: if you feel like it, I'm not gonna say no :) |
| 18:25.25 | rahul | apt-get is less intelligent |
| 18:25.35 | stew | keith80403: you should use aptitude, it is smarter about dependencies |
| 18:25.38 | rahul | it just does the dumbest thing and doesn't let you choose |
| 18:25.42 | Vasistha | zoidy: well, to save a hassle -- is the directory structure identical, or is there some directory syncing to be done? |
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| 18:26.02 | Vasistha | zoidy: what I mean to ask is, do some directories need to be made? |
| 18:26.02 | keith80403 | stew, Ok, thanks, sorry to bug you. |
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| 18:26.03 | rahul | aptitude searches more throroughly for solutions to problems and lets you choose if you don't like the one it thinks is best |
| 18:26.19 | kramed | did I just read that correctly? aptitude is smarter for dependencies than apt-get? |
| 18:26.28 | chops | kramed: Correct |
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| 18:26.34 | stoned | I need to resize my ext3 whic is about 400GB... can I successfuly do this? what precautions must I take besides data backup? and about howlong should it take on a 7200rpm sata disk and 3.5ghz c2d cpu |
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| 18:26.38 | stoned | any clue? |
| 18:26.38 | Vasistha | kramed: I'm not sure what you read, but that statement is true. |
| 18:26.39 | zoidy | Vasistha: yes, it's something like a/1 a/3 and b/1 b/2 b/3 which should result in c/1 c/2 and c/3 |
| 18:26.54 | kramed | good to know, I just switched to Debian this week |
| 18:27.13 | chops | stoned: resize2fs, not sure how long it'll take |
| 18:27.32 | stoned | ok |
| 18:27.34 | chops | stoned: Resize the partition after shrinking the filesystem, or before growing the filesystem |
| 18:27.34 | stoned | thaks |
| 18:27.42 | chops | stoned: Make backups and be careful :-) |
| 18:27.55 | stoned | wait... what now? |
| 18:27.57 | Vasistha | zoidy: oh, you want to create a new dir for the combination? Or would it be just as easy to move from a to b? |
| 18:28.30 | stoned | chops: resize the partition? won't the pogram do this for me? like resize the FS and then resize the partition leaving free space |
| 18:28.34 | zoidy | Vasistha: just a move, a new dir isnt created, the c/ example is just to show what the final directory looks like |
| 18:28.43 | chops | stoned: It depends on what program; resize2fs won't do it for you |
| 18:28.45 | stoned | im gonna see about some docs on how to do this |
| 18:28.50 | chops | stoned: gparted probably will |
| 18:28.53 | Vasistha | stoned: partitioning, and growing the file system to fill that partition, are separate steps. Oh, and one thing, you won't be able to change where the fs *begins*, only where it ends |
| 18:29.11 | stoned | need to know exactly what to do.. I have like 300gb of por.. I mean musc |
| 18:29.13 | robin_sz | zoidy, surely you mean c:\1 not c/1 |
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| 18:29.17 | stoned | :D |
| 18:29.19 | stoned | j/k |
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| 18:29.40 | zoidy | robin_sz: if that's a joke, it's funny |
| 18:29.53 | zoidy | robin_sz: else it's a little sad :) |
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| 18:30.06 | stoned | Vasistha: ok thanks.. ext3 extends from point A to end of physical disk. I need to take it and resize so that it is from point A to 100GB from the end of deisk |
| 18:30.14 | luosm_ | I've installed Mozilla-mplayer to watch the trailers on couple of websites |
| 18:30.27 | luosm_ | It crashes on me everytime I click on watch trailer "iceweasel" |
| 18:30.29 | kramed | crahes all the time for me |
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| 18:30.30 | Vasistha | stoned: ohhh, you're *shrinking* ... yeah, you should read up on that |
| 18:30.31 | stoned | Vasistha: so yeh, not worrieda bout where it starts, only shrink it so the tail of ext3 is shorter |
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| 18:30.39 | stoned | yes |
| 18:30.40 | chops | stoned: If you're unsure of your partitioning-fu, the gparted boot disk might work well for you |
| 18:30.50 | jelly | stoned: how many files? gparted does a fsck before and after resizing |
| 18:30.51 | robin_sz | zoidy, well, dos filesytems are a joke I guess |
| 18:30.58 | stoned | jelly: lots |
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| 18:31.09 | luosm_ | Any idea on how can I fix this? |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | robin_sz: PARK! |
| 18:31.14 | zoidy | robin_sz: specially on #debian |
| 18:31.17 | stoned | several complete collections of many tv shows, tons of movies.. tons of music |
| 18:31.25 | stoned | like really, 100+gb of metal only |
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| 18:31.34 | denver | is there a package for emacs which will install emacs with no x11 packages as dependencies |
| 18:31.36 | rahul | \m/ |
| 18:31.41 | jelly | stoned: I don't understand "lots", I do understand "10^5" or 100,000,000 or what ever |
| 18:31.42 | stoned | heh |
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| 18:31.55 | roccoo | hi |
| 18:31.56 | stoned | jelly: I couldn't tell you atm |
| 18:31.59 | rahul | MORE METAL |
| 18:32.08 | jelly | stoned: df -i is a reasonable estimate |
| 18:32.29 | stoned | /dev/sda2 59817984 20901 59797083 1% /home |
| 18:32.39 | stoned | whatever this means |
| 18:32.41 | jelly | stoned: blah, that's only 20k files |
| 18:32.53 | stoned | ahh |
| 18:32.56 | Vasistha | zoidy: right. Here's the directory structure: cd a; find -type d | while read dir; do if ! [[ -d "$dir" ]]; then if [[ -e "$dir" ]]; then echo "ERROR: $dir exists and is not a directory!"; else mkdir "../b/$dir"; fi; fi; done |
| 18:32.56 | stoned | that colum is files |
| 18:32.57 | robin_sz | almost empty |
| 18:32.57 | stoned | is ee |
| 18:33.05 | rahul | eeee? |
| 18:33.14 | roccoo | i have a big problem, i installed debian on my ibook g3 300 mhz, i've seen my video card in the compatible ones so i did it, but when installed panels screensaver and nautilus didn't work |
| 18:33.21 | bloodskin | hah. i got a bitch who hasnt met me yet (but has met my crew) that wants to pay for me to go to indiana with them to a concert, wants me to stay in her hotel room, but says she doesnt want shit like that |
| 18:33.26 | jelly | stoned: inodes actually, files+dirs+a bit more I think |
| 18:33.28 | stoned | ahh I remember I moved all my important stuff to the 750gb disk |
| 18:33.34 | bloodskin | even ythough she said she has a crush on me (even ythough she hasnt met me) |
| 18:33.35 | stoned | i see |
| 18:33.38 | zoidy | Vasistha: I'll try |
| 18:33.44 | bloodskin | psycho bitches psycho bitches |
| 18:33.52 | stoned | bloodskin: ? |
| 18:33.52 | rahul | bloodskin remember, no means yes |
| 18:33.59 | jelly | stoned: I guess it'll be done in a couple hours |
| 18:33.59 | Vasistha | plonk |
| 18:34.03 | stoned | rahul: no means no. |
| 18:34.07 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:34.14 | stoned | rahul: unless you're a rapist.. now shush. |
| 18:34.14 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 18:34.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:34.29 | stoned | time to read on ext3 resizing |
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| 18:34.34 | stoned | don't wanna lose my stuff |
| 18:34.34 | robin_sz | no means "the rohypnol and vodka hasn't kicked in just yet, try later" |
| 18:34.35 | bloodskin | only thing is, i have too much pride to accept money from people |
| 18:34.54 | jelly | stoned: meaning more like 2-6 hours, rather than 24+ that a fsck with lots (10-100mil) files would take |
| 18:34.58 | rahul | bloodskin she's giving you money to come to her hotel room? |
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| 18:35.10 | denver | that sounds like my kind of girl |
| 18:35.14 | rahul | hehe |
| 18:35.22 | bloodskin | shes not giving me money, shes just paying for me to hget there and get into the concert |
| 18:35.25 | stoned | jelly: hmm, you know what man.. I'm just gonna get a new disk.. rahul you got any spare 10gb disks laying around? |
| 18:35.29 | Vasistha | you, too, can be a professional gigalo |
| 18:35.33 | rahul | bloodskin oh, that's nothing |
| 18:35.36 | robin_sz | denver, the ones that have to pay aint worht having |
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| 18:35.46 | denver | robin_sz, :) |
| 18:35.49 | rahul | bloodskin I'm in the middle of that right now |
| 18:35.53 | bloodskin | yea, but i dont accept handouts like that |
| 18:35.58 | rahul | they gave me a band wristband, heh |
| 18:35.59 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 18:35.59 | stoned | basically i needed to resize the disk so i can install XP again |
| 18:36.08 | stoned | I want to play oblivion cuz the new expansion is out and lots of new mods |
| 18:36.14 | stoned | need space for ntfs |
| 18:36.17 | rahul | and I crashed at the lead singer and drummer's parents' place |
| 18:36.19 | denver | it is one thing if someone has an extra ticket, but to offer to pay for you to go is a bit on the weird side :P |
| 18:36.33 | bloodskin | but i do want to go because i want to meet my metophorical sisters boyfriend |
| 18:36.42 | bloodskin | and get hella stoned with him |
| 18:36.44 | rahul | bloodskin what band is this? |
| 18:36.45 | stoned | rahul: you got any spare 10gb or so hdd's laying around |
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| 18:36.51 | stoned | !ot |
| 18:36.51 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
| 18:36.54 | rahul | stoned heh |
| 18:37.05 | bloodskin | its just an underground rap duo from indiana |
| 18:37.09 | bloodskin | or trio |
| 18:37.10 | stoned | wtf |
| 18:37.10 | rahul | bleh |
| 18:37.11 | bloodskin | i forget |
| 18:37.13 | jelly | Can I pin all packages built from one source? |
| 18:37.23 | stoned | jelly: yes |
| 18:37.24 | rahul | jelly yes |
| 18:37.27 | jelly | how. |
| 18:37.34 | stoned | jelly: pin: origin blah.com |
| 18:37.37 | stoned | package * |
| 18:37.38 | rahul | that release file you have |
| 18:37.38 | stoned | etc. |
| 18:37.41 | rahul | or origin |
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| 18:38.12 | stoned | package: * | pin: origin blah.com | pin-priority: whatever you want |
| 18:38.13 | robin_sz | stoned, umm and you are saying that asking on #debian for help reisizing to install XP is not OT then? |
| 18:38.23 | stoned | robin_sz: no.. it isn't |
| 18:38.26 | jelly | what I meant was: can I pin all packages built from a single Debian source package? |
| 18:38.33 | dury | AMD duron is it correct this ISO for that -> debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 18:38.37 | stoned | since I'm ON debian trying to resize an ext disk.. for whatever purpose |
| 18:38.41 | jelly | dury: yes |
| 18:38.44 | Vasistha | dury: yeah |
| 18:38.45 | stoned | robin_sz: capice? |
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| 18:38.57 | Ankman | anybody using dselect? |
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| 18:39.04 | stoned | brb |
| 18:39.14 | Vasistha | Ankman: not anymore, I hope! just use aptitude |
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| 18:39.21 | dury | thanks guys |
| 18:39.22 | Ankman | after doing "update" would it install updated versions of packages if available? |
| 18:39.26 | zoidy | Vasistha: thanks a lot, with a couple of tweaks it's exactly what I need! |
| 18:39.29 | robin_sz | I expect he'll be asking fo rhelp with his registry settings next |
| 18:39.32 | dury | really appreciate it |
| 18:39.38 | Ankman | yeah, prefer aptitude too but dn't let me install it :-( |
| 18:39.41 | Ankman | doesn't |
| 18:39.57 | Vasistha | zoidy: np. you're knowledgable enough to tweak it to copy files, then? |
| 18:40.01 | Ankman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:40.01 | Ankman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.02 | Ankman | E: Broken packages |
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| 18:40.11 | Ankman | and |
| 18:40.12 | dury | be back soon |
| 18:40.16 | dury | byee |
| 18:40.18 | zoidy | Vasistha: yeah, I can handle that :) thanks again |
| 18:40.22 | Ankman | apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 18:40.22 | Ankman | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:40.22 | Ankman | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 18:40.22 | Ankman | Note, selecting apt instead of libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
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| 18:40.39 | Ankman | ok, sorry |
| 18:40.40 | Vasistha | zoidy: you're welcome! Hope it all goes smoothly. |
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| 18:40.55 | Vasistha | Ankman: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:41.05 | Ankman | sarge |
| 18:41.17 | Vasistha | Ankman: are you in the process of doing a dist-upgrade, or...? |
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| 18:42.37 | keith80403 | Sarge->Etch: tasksel - E: Unable to correct problems, you have broken packages |
| 18:43.46 | rahul | dude |
| 18:43.58 | MaikBeckmann | sweet? |
| 18:45.06 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:45.51 | Ankman | Vasistha: no dist upgrade |
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| 18:46.02 | Ankman | is on a vserver, not sure ioi even could |
| 18:46.15 | Ankman | if i... |
| 18:46.38 | Vasistha | Ankman: well, broken dependencies are usually a bad thing, so that's why I'm concerned. Are you certain the sources.list is pointing to 'sarge' rather than 'stable'? |
| 18:47.43 | Ankman | all at "sarge" |
| 18:47.47 | Vasistha | Ankman: that's of paramount importance if you're about to upgrade, using *any* tool ;) |
| 18:48.07 | Ankman | i hate dselect |
| 18:48.15 | Ankman | like aptitude |
| 18:48.21 | karsten | Ankman: That's OK. dselect loves you. |
| 18:48.22 | Vasistha | Ankman: I don't have any experience with dselect, but it ought to work. You also might do an apt-get -f to see if you can resolve that problem and get aptitude installed. |
| 18:48.26 | Ankman | haha |
| 18:48.35 | Ankman | i try that |
| 18:48.59 | OwlEye | after "/usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 etch /rescue/ http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian" i get: Failure trying to run: chroot /rescue mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 18:48.59 | OwlEye | then i try "chroot /rescue" and get: |
| 18:48.59 | OwlEye | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 18:49.06 | Vasistha | Ankman: you can also just skip dselect entirely and just use command-line apt-get |
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| 18:49.29 | sluff | Apr 27 20:43:53 www-server postfix/smtpd[21230]: TLS connection established from p5B156448.dip.t-dialin.net[91.21.100.72]: TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits) |
| 18:49.29 | sluff | Apr 27 20:43:56 www-server postfix/smtpd[21230]: warning: SASL authentication failure: incorrect digest response |
| 18:49.29 | sluff | Apr 27 20:43:56 www-server postfix/smtpd[21230]: warning: p5B156448.dip.t-dialin.net[91.21.100.72]: SASL CRAM-MD5 authentication failed: authentication failure |
| 18:49.30 | OwlEye | any ideas? |
| 18:49.38 | sluff | anyone who can help? |
| 18:49.39 | rahul | !paste |
| 18:49.39 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 18:49.54 | sluff | sorry |
| 18:49.55 | Ankman | Vasistha: after apt-get update how do i tell apt to install available updates? |
| 18:50.09 | Vasistha | Ankman: apt-get upgrade |
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| 18:50.58 | Vasistha | Ankman: I usually do them together: apt-get update && aptitude upgrade |
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| 18:52.12 | Ankman | upgrade does a dist-upgrade, no? |
| 18:52.15 | Vasistha | OwlEye: does `which bash` work? |
| 18:52.20 | Vasistha | Ankman: no. |
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| 18:52.43 | OwlEye | Vasistha, nay |
| 18:53.00 | Ankman | umm, thought i did it once by accident so that i'm on testing on my local machine now |
| 18:53.01 | Vasistha | Ankman: dist-upgrade does a dist-upgrade. upgrade does an upgrade. But even if you don't do a dist-upgrade, 'upgrade' may do some aspects of the dist upgrade, if you have etch sources in your sources.list |
| 18:53.03 | OwlEye | but chroot worked before i wiped out /rescue and did the debootstrap |
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| 18:53.12 | Ankman | ah, ty |
| 18:54.03 | Vasistha | Ankman: the difference is, dist-upgrade is more aggressive about removing old packages and temporarily breaking dependencies, in order to get the upgrade done. |
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| 18:55.07 | OwlEye | for some reason, i only have "debootstrap dev etc var" inside /rescue after the debootstrap, no /bin |
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| 18:55.37 | OwlEye | is debootstrap_0.3.3.3_all.deb known to be broken? |
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| 18:55.57 | Ankman | umm |
| 18:56.18 | Ankman | will try upgrade now, hoping it does not upgrade to etch then |
| 18:56.23 | rpc | offtopic.. which word is correct: virtualization or virtualisation? |
| 18:56.30 | Vasistha | Ankman: well, you can pastebin your sources.list if you want someone to verify |
| 18:57.48 | Vasistha | rpc: ask wikipedia ... I think 's' is the british spelling, and 'z' the american |
| 18:58.06 | rpc | Vasistha so basically both might be proper, ok :) |
| 18:58.10 | rahul | Vasistha correct |
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| 18:58.16 | jelly | Hmm, does grub package in debian have any provisions for raid1, or do I have to install grub on all of the disks manually? |
| 18:58.20 | rpc | rahul thank you too |
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| 18:58.33 | Ankman | all sarge |
| 18:58.53 | rpc | but for some reason "virtualise" looks strange.. so why do i like "virtualisation" better then :) |
| 18:59.00 | rahul | I contest that "anglicization" is totally wrong, tho |
| 18:59.06 | Vasistha | rpc: because you're weird ;) |
| 18:59.15 | rahul | rpc the s is more buried in the latter |
| 18:59.18 | rpc | Vasistha he he |
| 18:59.20 | jelly | rpc: go with the american if you're unsure :-| |
| 18:59.26 | rahul | heh |
| 18:59.27 | rpc | hm. |
| 18:59.30 | rahul | \o/ |
| 18:59.56 | rpc | Vasistha if i really was weird then i would told you to change your nick to Vaziztha :) |
| 18:59.58 | Vasistha | Ankman: then, as long as you didn't do an 'update' in the last few weeks, with 'stable' in your sources.list, you should be fine. To be sure, just apt-get update again, before doing the apt-get upgrade. |
| 19:00.45 | Ankman | i ran update && upgrade, no new packages installed |
| 19:00.45 | Dave2 | virtualise is a variation of virtualize. |
| 19:00.45 | rpc | Dave2 hm |
| 19:00.45 | Dave2 | virtualize is the root word |
| 19:00.46 | rahul | haha |
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| 19:00.46 | rahul | Dave2 you are a tool |
| 19:00.47 | Vasistha | rpc: well, it's pronounced Vah-Seesh-Tah, so ... heh, I'm not going to try to say there's one right way to spell a sanskrit word in english |
| 19:00.47 | Ankman | server was just install monday and i did update several times |
| 19:00.47 | Dave2 | I'm really not! |
| 19:00.53 | rpc | Vasistha he he nice one |
| 19:01.21 | rahul | Dave2 with a last name like yours, one would think you'd know better than that |
| 19:01.21 | jelly | Vasistha: hey, if you have support for utf-8, you could try changing your nick to use sanskrt :-> |
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| 19:01.30 | Dave2 | rahul, my source is the Oxford English Dictionary |
| 19:01.37 | Dave2 | take it up with them if you disagree |
| 19:01.40 | rahul | Dave2 but maybe you pronouce the h in your name |
| 19:01.42 | Vasistha | rpc: or, if you ask stoned, it's pronouned Vah-Seesh't, and shouldn't have an 'a' at the end at all |
| 19:01.47 | rahul | uh, not likely |
| 19:01.53 | rpc | lol Vasistha |
| 19:01.54 | Dave2 | yes likely. |
| 19:02.00 | rahul | Vasistha heh |
| 19:02.11 | jelly | you tha man |
| 19:02.25 | Dave2 | the -ize are the favoured spellings for most words |
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| 19:02.29 | rpc | Vasistha you sure that stoned will like that joke when he is back? :) |
| 19:02.42 | rahul | rpc sure |
| 19:02.42 | rpc | Dave2 hm. |
| 19:02.50 | jelly | Dave2: favourised by Americans, I presume |
| 19:02.53 | Dave2 | no |
| 19:02.54 | Dave2 | as I said |
| 19:02.54 | Vasistha | rpc: it's not a joke, I've seen him go on a tirade about it twice! ;D |
| 19:02.56 | Dave2 | my source is the OED |
| 19:02.57 | rahul | Dave2 oxford would NOT say that |
| 19:03.00 | rpc | favourized even? |
| 19:03.13 | rpc | Vasistha rofl again |
| 19:03.18 | rahul | favourized is totally wrong |
| 19:03.23 | rahul | it would be favorized |
| 19:03.26 | rpc | colorized is not? |
| 19:03.38 | rpc | now i'm seriously confused. |
| 19:03.41 | Ahmadinejad | Hi, how do i find my lan ip? |
| 19:03.45 | rpc | confuzed? lol |
| 19:03.52 | Vasistha | Ahmadinejad: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:03.55 | rahul | colorized is right |
| 19:03.55 | jelly | konfuzed? |
| 19:03.57 | denken | Ahmadinejad: i already told you. /sbin/ifconfig |
| 19:04.01 | rahul | colourised is also right |
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| 19:04.09 | denken | Vasistha: he claims it returns "nothing" |
| 19:04.10 | rpc | why not colorised but confused then? |
| 19:04.11 | rahul | heh, confuzed |
| 19:04.23 | rahul | colorised is bogus |
| 19:04.24 | happy_broccoli | is there a chat client that supports inline images like iChat |
| 19:04.24 | jelly | wrait founetikli |
| 19:04.29 | rpc | sometimes it just has to be "s" or "z", why is that? |
| 19:04.31 | Dave2 | ...surely it's coloured. |
| 19:04.36 | rahul | you want it to be counfused? heh |
| 19:04.46 | wols | happy_broccoli: define "chat" |
| 19:04.48 | rahul | Dave2 coming from you? hah |
| 19:04.59 | Ahmadinejad | That moth.fuck. said i should ask better questions, what about i fuck his mother better? |
| 19:05.04 | saar | anyone know what "echo: error broken pipe" can refer to? the debian console keeps floading it |
| 19:05.12 | saar | flooding even |
| 19:05.12 | Dave2 | I have no idea what you're even saying, so I'll stop caring now! |
| 19:05.14 | rpc | Ahmadinejad are you smoking something? :s |
| 19:05.19 | Ronin | calm down Ahmadinejad |
| 19:05.31 | wols | Ahmadinejad: stop that or you will be looked at like this other guy with your name in the US |
| 19:05.39 | Ahmadinejad | rpc, i smoked 1/2 cigaret for 8 year ago |
| 19:05.57 | rahul | Dave2 you're the one who claims that american spelling is cannonical english heh |
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| 19:06.02 | wols | Ahmadinejad: and no one answers this other guy with his debian problems. so let this be a warning |
| 19:06.03 | rpc | Ahmadinejad using bad language won't get you far on irc |
| 19:06.07 | rpc | whatever the problem is |
| 19:06.13 | Dave2 | rahul, nope, that's what the OED says, and I PRIVMSGd a supporting link to you. |
| 19:06.20 | Dave2 | direct from oed.com |
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| 19:06.28 | wols | rpc: you've never read bash.org right? It won't get you far in #debian tho |
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| 19:06.34 | Ahmadinejad | wols: Who? |
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| 19:06.39 | rpc | wols rofl |
| 19:06.39 | Ahmadinejad | Who is that guy? |
| 19:06.45 | Ahmadinejad | That who kicked me? |
| 19:06.47 | wols | Ahmadinejad: the elected president of iran |
| 19:06.55 | Ahmadinejad | Lol:) |
| 19:07.07 | Ahmadinejad | He is using ASP.NET/OpenBSD |
| 19:07.13 | Ahmadinejad | and a lot other american software:) |
| 19:07.28 | rahul | Dave2 shouldn't oed be .co.uk? |
| 19:07.36 | denken | Ahmadinejad: youre a nut case. |
| 19:07.38 | wols | Ahmadinejad: but no one tells him how to use it |
| 19:07.47 | Dave2 | rahul, "no". HTH! |
| 19:08.05 | wols | abd uf yiz are not really careful, the same will happen to you |
| 19:08.12 | wols | *and if you |
| 19:08.34 | rahul | applies to? |
| 19:08.34 | Ahmadinejad | There are several #Debian channels:) |
| 19:08.42 | wols | !ops please show Ahmadinejad the "debian way" |
| 19:08.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please show Ahmadinejad the "debian way" |
| 19:08.44 | Ahmadinejad | So fuck your mother or i do it for ya |
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| 19:08.48 | wols | there are only 2 "official" ones |
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| 19:09.05 | denken | what a strange kid |
| 19:09.16 | wols | I prefer the shorter version "idiot" |
| 19:09.36 | rahul | that's an insult to real idiots |
| 19:09.44 | wols | rahul: thanks for the recentering btw. sorely needeed |
| 19:09.51 | rahul | heh, np |
| 19:10.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 19:10.50 | *** mode/#debian [+b #debian!*@*] by mentor |
| 19:11.15 | *** mode/#debian [-b #debian!*@*] by mentor |
| 19:11.17 | mentor | muppet |
| 19:11.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.72.4.134.ip.tele2adsl.dk] by mentor |
| 19:11.26 | peterS | I was gonna say |
| 19:11.30 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:11.33 | abrotman | do it again! |
| 19:11.34 | Vasistha | rpc: later ... http://paste.debian.net/26672 |
| 19:11.39 | mentor | It was so peaceful.... |
| 19:11.44 | mentor | Take me back... |
| 19:11.54 | jelly | to the paradise city? |
| 19:11.57 | wols | mentor: I think the first ban had some technical promise for future development :) |
| 19:12.08 | mentor | peterS: Unfortunately, you couldn't? |
| 19:12.11 | mentor | heh |
| 19:12.19 | peterS | indeed (: |
| 19:12.25 | mentor | jelly: No. To the place where I belong. |
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| 19:13.28 | denken | jelly: we all know its "down" to the paradise city, not "back" |
| 19:13.29 | denken | :) |
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| 19:13.40 | jelly | denken: oops |
| 19:13.49 | wols | denken: it's back too |
| 19:13.56 | rahul | where the grass is dank and the girls are skanky |
| 19:14.03 | wols | however, the down and the back are to different places kinda (hopefully) |
| 19:14.08 | jelly | rahul: works for me! |
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| 19:14.36 | rahul | down the back |
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| 19:15.33 | rpc | very nice that, vasistha |
| 19:15.42 | rpc | even though you can't see my reply |
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| 19:16.27 | wols | mentor: do you really want to ban all alis out there? |
| 19:16.38 | wols | I mean the muslims could call a fatwah on you for that :) |
| 19:16.50 | rahul | consider that mentor's fatwah |
| 19:17.31 | rpc | is it possible to loop mount a device or just a partition? |
| 19:17.31 | wols | rahul: let's just say if I have to bet on a irc geek or a arabian jihadist, I know on who to place my bet :) |
| 19:17.51 | rpc | or can i tell my etch to accept some file as a device? |
| 19:17.54 | rahul | heh |
| 19:17.57 | wols | why would you loopmount a partition? |
| 19:18.15 | rpc | err now i'm confused |
| 19:18.16 | rahul | haha, exactly |
| 19:18.24 | wols | mentor: all the smartbomb in the worlds don#t help the US army right now. so better think again |
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| 19:18.46 | rpc | ok it's a disk file and i'm not sure how to create a partition on it |
| 19:18.47 | wols | rpc: you usually use loop mounting to mount a file somewhere |
| 19:19.00 | wols | rpc: usually you simply don't |
| 19:19.06 | wols | you simply mount the file |
| 19:19.12 | rpc | wols hm |
| 19:19.16 | rpc | just like that? |
| 19:19.16 | wols | and if the file is too big, make a smaller one |
| 19:19.20 | wols | dd is your friend |
| 19:19.38 | mentor | wols: That's because they can't quite work out who or what they're fighting. But enough politics... |
| 19:19.38 | wols | yes, just like that :) |
| 19:19.38 | rpc | and that file becomes a device then? |
| 19:19.42 | rpc | so i can make an fs on it and so on? |
| 19:20.26 | wols | mentor: lets just say, a guerilla force can always win if the opponent can't stand any losses. and even if they can (by using only robots) you can probably make the war too costly |
| 19:20.45 | wols | but yes, enough |
| 19:20.57 | enouf | i give up |
| 19:21.19 | wols | enouf: what do you give up? |
| 19:21.28 | wols | rpc: mkfs on the file yes |
| 19:21.31 | wols | then mount it |
| 19:21.47 | enouf | wols: trying to set my path for my root console |
| 19:21.48 | wols | rpc: btw, every device is a file. in unbix, everything is a file |
| 19:21.59 | wols | except sockets. but that is BSD's fault ;P |
| 19:22.26 | enouf | erm .. i should say root xterm |
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| 19:22.46 | rpc | wols very nice.. i finally got it :) |
| 19:22.48 | enouf | a dev/pts |
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| 19:24.46 | wols | enouf: care to change problems. I need xf4vnc for my Xorg |
| 19:24.48 | enouf | wols: ever get your vnc compile for xfce? done |
| 19:24.54 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:25.06 | wols | no. I need a frigging automake functin I have no clue where to get |
| 19:25.18 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 19:25.25 | wols | I once run x11vnc under xvfb and that stipid wine wouldn't run |
| 19:25.36 | wols | XORG_RELEASE_VERSION |
| 19:25.45 | wols | I mean who names his functions like that? loonies! |
| 19:26.01 | enouf | wols: which version of automake? |
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| 19:26.19 | wols | whatever is in sid :) |
| 19:26.33 | wols | 1.10+nogfdl-1 |
| 19:26.38 | enouf | eww |
| 19:26.46 | enouf | 1.9 still here |
| 19:26.51 | wols | and 2.61-4 autoconf |
| 19:27.06 | BUMBACL0T | beryl is not yet on debian? |
| 19:27.20 | wols | I have the distinct suspiciion I need either X sources or X dev packages |
| 19:27.22 | wols | but I dunno which |
| 19:27.32 | wols | !tell BUMBACL0T about beryl |
| 19:28.05 | wols | peterS: any suggestion where to get this elusive XORG_RELEASE_VERSION |
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| 19:28.17 | wols | or if you really want me to kisss you: a xf4vnc .deb :P |
| 19:29.03 | enouf | wols: hrm .. tried the --add-missing flag? |
| 19:29.19 | wols | it does that on its own |
| 19:29.25 | wols | using the flag that is. no workie |
| 19:29.36 | enouf | no bueno |
| 19:29.37 | wols | peterS: alternatively: can you tell me what .pc files are? |
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| 19:29.56 | peterS | wols: configuration files for pkg-config |
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| 19:30.09 | wols | and what is pkg-config? |
| 19:30.57 | wols | k. downloaded it |
| 19:30.57 | wols | now where to get the .PC files. IIRC it wants them for X |
| 19:30.57 | wols | -dev packages? |
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| 19:31.25 | peterS | wols: a package which helps you compile things with installed libraries. so for example you can say 'pkg-config --libs openssl' and it will give you something to add to your gcc line to link to the openssl libraries |
| 19:31.40 | peterS | wols: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/openssl.pc gives it the necessary information |
| 19:32.08 | BUMBACL0T | how do you remove key with apt-key ? |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | man apt-key ? |
| 19:32.18 | wols | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/openssl.pc: No such file or directory |
| 19:32.22 | BUMBACL0T | i don't get it, it says del id |
| 19:32.32 | BUMBACL0T | but i don't know what is 'id' |
| 19:33.06 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: how do you know which key you want to delete? |
| 19:35.15 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: the 8 character string |
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| 19:35.43 | abrotman | ADB11277 |
| 19:36.51 | peterS | wols: apparently you don't have libssl-dev installed, so you can't build programs that use openssl libraries |
| 19:37.00 | peterS | wols: thus you have to adjust the example for something you do have installed |
| 19:37.18 | wols | okili |
| 19:37.31 | wols | so I only need to find my x packages that have the shit I want |
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| 19:41.54 | Dionix | where do i ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.4-blackdown/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so to in order for iceweasel to recognize it? |
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| 19:42.15 | Dionix | i'm on etch if that matters |
| 19:42.31 | abrotman | don't use blackdown |
| 19:42.42 | wols | Dionix: is anything in about:plugins? |
| 19:42.44 | Dionix | its the only native 64 bit java abrotman |
| 19:42.59 | wols | Dionix: non in non-free? |
| 19:43.00 | abrotman | that version is ancient and probably has security issues |
| 19:43.14 | abrotman | Dionix: perhaps you'd like to use the amd64 java packages already in sarge ? |
| 19:43.17 | abrotman | erm .. in etch ? |
| 19:43.19 | Dionix | its not a pacakge you download |
| 19:43.21 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=sun-java5-jdk |
| 19:43.25 | Dionix | i make the package |
| 19:43.25 | wols | Dionix: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=jdk&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=non-free |
| 19:43.46 | Dionix | its already compiled by me, installed i just need to ln -s |
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| 19:43.56 | abrotman | Dionix: really . use the one already in debian . it works on amd64 |
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| 19:44.05 | wols | and if you compiled it a hundred times. it's still a shitty jre |
| 19:44.06 | Dionix | no |
| 19:44.14 | Dionix | nevermind |
| 19:44.18 | Dionix | i hate this channel |
| 19:44.19 | abrotman | stable (devel): Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 [non-free] |
| 19:44.19 | abrotman | 1.5.0-10-3: amd64 i386 |
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| 19:44.41 | pdf | can anyone help me out with making jails for users in their own directory. linuxquestions.org is confusing the heck out of me. |
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| 19:45.23 | abrotman | i hope #java tells him the same thing |
| 19:46.16 | pdf | [15:48] <wols> and if you compiled it a hundred times. it's still a shitty jre |
| 19:46.21 | pdf | wtf was that lol |
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| 19:47.30 | peterS | he wasn't talking to you |
| 19:47.30 | wols | pdf: someone still using blackdown |
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| 19:47.30 | abrotman | not so much blackdown .. 1.4 |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | though blackdown did stop making debs at 1.4 |
| 19:47.33 | wols | pdf: you want chrrot. not jails. for jails: go to BSD. they have plenty of those :) |
| 19:47.43 | wols | *chroot |
| 19:47.53 | pdf | thats what its called isnt it? chroot jails |
| 19:48.02 | pdf | thats what they call it on that website |
| 19:48.28 | wols | simply chroot usually |
| 19:48.33 | wols | as I said: jail is BSD lingo |
| 19:49.03 | abrotman | i knerw whart jail isssh .. *hiccup* |
| 19:49.23 | kramed | any standard apps in debian to monitor cpu temperature? |
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| 19:49.31 | abrotman | there are a few |
| 19:49.34 | morphje_ | !help[\ |
| 19:49.35 | morphje_ | !help |
| 19:49.36 | abrotman | many desktops even have little applets |
| 19:49.45 | abrotman | morphje_: help! |
| 19:49.54 | kramed | I upgraded to sid kde and it appears to have broken ksim |
| 19:50.11 | wols | kramed: only two ways to collect the data |
| 19:50.16 | wols | mbmon and lm-sensors |
| 19:50.26 | abrotman | hotbabe! :) |
| 19:50.28 | wols | there are a lot of apps which display lm-sensors data |
| 19:50.36 | wols | abrotman: isn't that only a display of data? |
| 19:50.46 | morphje_ | abrotman, nope ... i'm sure it's !help :) |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | morphje_: not in this channel |
| 19:51.05 | kramed | thanks guys' |
| 19:51.17 | abrotman | morphje_: what do you want help with ? |
| 19:51.29 | morphje_ | apperently it does in this channel, because dpkg came to my rescue :) |
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| 19:51.40 | abrotman | he tells you stuff .. but only bot help |
| 19:51.50 | morphje_ | and that's all i needed to know ;) |
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| 19:52.04 | abrotman | okay .. or try #debian-bots :) |
| 19:52.31 | morphje_ | i needed the reinstall command :) and i knew dpkg had it |
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| 19:52.31 | giupy-away | hi all |
| 19:52.31 | abrotman | i need a "Don't let the kids mess with the Windows box" factoid |
| 19:52.31 | morphje_ | and i'm too lazy to look it up in the manpages :D |
| 19:53.00 | giupy | someone has told me that ssh is the best solution for me in a domestic lan, to share files |
| 19:53.11 | morphje_ | don't let kids mess with anything computer related :D |
| 19:53.18 | morphje_ | all they tend to do is msn |
| 19:53.38 | morphje_ | giupy, it all depends on the situation. The right tool for the right job |
| 19:54.14 | BUMBACL0T | how come when i start beryl, it logs me out? |
| 19:54.22 | giupy | i have 2 debian pcs, in the first pc i have sshd installed and created a user like the user in the pc that wants to connect first pc |
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| 19:54.26 | giupy | morphje_: :) |
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| 19:55.21 | abrotman | giupy: you mean sshfs ? |
| 19:55.23 | HYPOCRISY | hey |
| 19:55.24 | giupy | do i need to edit some config file to use ssh? |
| 19:55.27 | Nighteye | sup |
| 19:55.29 | frankr | Hey I'd like to do some coding in C with winapi, whats the best/easiest virtual machine program to use in a 64bit system to emulate a 32bit windows? |
| 19:55.48 | giupy | abrotman: dunno, i have tried trough kde and the network folder wizard |
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| 19:56.53 | giupy | however if i try to connect, adsl connection go down |
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| 19:56.58 | giupy | why ? |
| 19:57.07 | HardDisk_WP | rehi |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | frankr: qemu? xen? kvm? vmware ? |
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| 19:57.45 | frankr | abrotman, yeah, I'm kinda asking for personal preference, what works in 64bit, and which is fastest |
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| 19:58.32 | h3sp4wn | I would have said kvm (if it works) but since I got a bios upgrade (to fix other issues) kvm now hard locks my machine |
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| 19:58.43 | Micer | hi what command can i use to see what process that is running on debian ? |
| 19:58.52 | luosm_ | top? |
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| 19:59.10 | abrotman | frankr: qemu works .. it's not super speedy .. but it works |
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| 19:59.12 | giupy | i need to know too, what i need to use ssh. sshd in the pc used like server and ssh in the client, than? |
| 19:59.43 | BUMBACL0T | how come when i start beryl, it logs me out? |
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| 20:00.59 | ob3r0n | giupy, yep |
| 20:01.18 | giupy | ob3r0n: yep what ? |
| 20:02.46 | ob3r0n | giupy: privat |
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| 20:03.17 | wols | BUMBACL0T: what video card / video driver? |
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| 20:04.18 | deeperror | i'm using zcat to copy a boot.img.gz file over to a usb drive and the usable space on the drive becomes 115megs instead of the 1gig. I can't copy the iso to the stick due to the size restrictions now. Any clues? |
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| 20:04.27 | deeperror | i've tried parted to resize but the partition is 1gig |
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| 20:05.03 | deeperror | used fdisk to rewrite the partition still no joy |
| 20:05.08 | deeperror | seem to be missing something |
| 20:05.36 | wols | deeperror: dud yiz cioy ut iver ti the device or to the filesystem? |
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| 20:06.20 | deeperror | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdc |
| 20:06.27 | wols | deeperror: did you copy it over to the device or to the filesystem |
| 20:06.43 | wols | deeperror: the image is 115MB which is why it shows you that then |
| 20:06.48 | wols | it replaces you old filesystem |
| 20:06.48 | deeperror | ok |
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| 20:06.52 | karsten | wols: uypi |
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| 20:07.02 | karsten | re we;p,e/ |
| 20:07.06 | wols | karsten: speak english, no eboncis! |
| 20:07.18 | karsten | wols: you're welcome. |
| 20:07.26 | wols | making fun of an old GRUMPY man is done at your own peril |
| 20:07.33 | deeperror | ha |
| 20:07.37 | karsten | wols: I'm older and grumpier. |
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| 20:08.57 | deeperror | wols: so zcat isn't the method to use? |
| 20:09.13 | wols | deeperror: it is |
| 20:09.28 | deeperror | wols: suggestions? |
| 20:09.29 | wols | or at least one method to use |
| 20:09.39 | karsten | What's objrmap, in a kernel context? |
| 20:09.40 | wols | deeperror: what's wrong when you zcat it? |
| 20:10.01 | deeperror | not sure |
| 20:10.04 | deeperror | it works |
| 20:10.06 | deeperror | the data is there |
| 20:10.16 | deeperror | it just prevents me from being able to copy the netinst iso onto the stick |
| 20:10.25 | deeperror | due to it becoming 115 meg |
| 20:10.52 | deeperror | netinst iso = 165 meg |
| 20:10.52 | wols | why does it prevent you? |
| 20:10.53 | wols | isn't the netinst 115MB all in all? |
| 20:11.19 | wols | I told you: that image is a filesystem which happens to be 115MB |
| 20:11.19 | deeperror | no its about 165 |
| 20:11.27 | deeperror | i understand that |
| 20:11.27 | wols | and which of course means the rest of your stick will be empty |
| 20:11.41 | morphje_ | how to overload your local network. Make a small backup of your computer over SSH. |
| 20:11.42 | morphje_ | :) |
| 20:11.47 | morphje_ | only 240 gig :D |
| 20:11.50 | wols | unpack the boot.img on your harddisk. is it bigger than 1GB then? |
| 20:12.05 | deeperror | the usb stick is 1gig |
| 20:12.07 | deeperror | hdd is larger yes |
| 20:12.20 | wols | I asked if the boot.img is larger than 1GB |
| 20:12.21 | deeperror | gunzip boot.img.gz |
| 20:12.26 | wols | didn't ask about your stick or hdd |
| 20:13.15 | deeperror | 128M = boot.img |
| 20:13.30 | wols | k. now copy it over to hdc |
| 20:13.34 | wols | and while it copies read that |
| 20:13.38 | wols | !tell deeperror about errors |
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| 20:14.00 | deeperror | wols: im not getting error msgs |
| 20:14.11 | wols | theny why do you complain? |
| 20:14.20 | wols | bo news = good news (in linux) |
| 20:14.22 | deeperror | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 20:14.25 | wols | *no |
| 20:14.26 | deeperror | i'm following that |
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| 20:15.10 | lftl_ | anyone else having trouble with the nvidia drivers in sid? |
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| 20:15.47 | wols | !tell lftl_ about anyont |
| 20:15.49 | wols | !tell lftl_ about BTS |
| 20:16.03 | wols | !tell lftl_ about anyone |
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| 20:17.04 | sanelson | how can one configure grub to present optional X resolutions ? |
| 20:17.18 | lftl_ | wols: checked the BTS... I haven't seen anything relevant there... |
| 20:17.46 | concept10 | I wonder if my neighbor will get mad if i install etch over her Windows 2000 (I dont have a way to put it back on) |
| 20:17.55 | lftl_ | the screen just stays blank during the xserver startup, no errors in the log |
| 20:18.05 | enouf | Q. As $USER, why does even after doing export PATH="$PATH:/lib/udev" , that still a vol_id command (even with sudo) errors saying; sudo: vol_id: command not found .. but yet a "sudo /lib/udev/vol_id -utl /dev/blah" works fine (ful path).. wtf? Also, this is in an xterm, .. and also Root xterm (su -) exhibits the same type of behavior |
| 20:18.07 | wols | sanelson: the question is how will you hand over the selected res when the only parameters you can influence are kernel parameters |
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| 20:18.39 | sanelson | rightl I've seen it done before, but maybe that was only setting framebuffer resollutions? |
| 20:18.45 | wols | enouf: sudo uses root's path? |
| 20:19.10 | wols | sanelson: probably |
| 20:19.27 | BUMBACL0T | apt-get > aptitude |
| 20:19.29 | wols | there might be a way via reading out framebuffer res and setting that when calling gdm |
| 20:19.35 | BUMBACL0T | < i meant |
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| 20:20.13 | bloodskin | does etch have wine included as part of its bundle? |
| 20:20.30 | wols | yes |
| 20:20.37 | wols | !find wine |
| 20:20.40 | bloodskin | cool deal |
| 20:20.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'wine' (7 of 31): (/usr/bin/xwine) in otherosfs/xwine ;; (/etc/epos/winepos.ini) in sound/epos ;; (/usr/lib/wine/wined3d.dll.so) in libs/libwine-gl ;; (/usr/lib/wine/wineesd.drv.so) in libs/libwine-esd ;; (/usr/lib/wine/winenas.drv.so) in libs/libwine-nas ;; (/usr/lib/wine/winearts.drv.so) in libs/libwine-arts ;; (/usr/lib/wine/winealsa.drv.so) in libs/libwine-alsa. |
| 20:21.12 | mikeX | hello, I installing etch (i386) and trying to resize a 320gb ext3 partition to 298gb, it's taking over 20 minutes and the progressbar is empty (Please wait..), should I be worried? |
| 20:21.36 | wols | sanelson: depends |
| 20:21.54 | bloodskin | idk, i just need it so i can run a mirc bot for our radio station |
| 20:21.58 | sanelson | i was approached by a company wondering if they could run hp openview in wine in linux |
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| 20:22.26 | stoned | !info libcegui-mk2-dev sid |
| 20:22.32 | bloodskin | unless someone feels like porting it to an eggdrop :D |
| 20:22.32 | dpkg | libcegui-mk2-dev: (Crazy Eddie's GUI (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 252 kB, Installed size: 2020 kB |
| 20:22.37 | stoned | sweet |
| 20:22.40 | stoned | 5.0 |
| 20:23.05 | enouf | wols: i'm not sure .. let's break this down .. A /root/.bashrc and /root/.profile both exist, and it appears that the /root/.profile file sources to /root/.bashrc -- however as $USER, i have both a ~/.bashrc and a /.bash_profile .. neither of whioch contain a PATH= entry. I noticed /etc/profile has PATH= info, and checks if one has rootid (0) (if; ... then.. fi), and if not, reverts to my usual $USER path |
| 20:23.06 | stoned | hmm, suppose it will have to be backported to testing for x_link so he can play the game.. libcegui in testing is only 4.1 |
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| 20:23.44 | stoned | x_link: you'll have to do a little bit of extra work to get the game to run in testing.. but it shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:23.49 | thedash | anybody used VNC ? |
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| 20:29.06 | mikeX | is it safe to assume the process has hanged and restart the installation? |
| 20:29.26 | mikeX | I can see tha partman process with ps btw |
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| 20:31.48 | x_link | stoned: Hi |
| 20:32.16 | stoned | x_link: small problem.. the game depends on libcegui >=5.0 while testing only has 4.x |
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| 20:32.31 | x_link | ohh ok |
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| 20:32.53 | stoned | im gonna build the packages on my sid machine |
| 20:32.55 | x_link | stoned: pm |
| 20:33.03 | x_link | If you don't mind. |
| 20:33.06 | stoned | umm ok |
| 20:33.13 | x_link | Damn I love this keyboard ;D |
| 20:33.21 | starnix_ | how fast would I be able to get debian to boot (minimal startup, no services other than dhclient kicking in and sshd) with an athlon 64 3200, 2 gigs of ram, and a 10,000 RPM hard disk? |
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| 20:33.58 | starnix_ | I'm trying to see if I can get it to boot faster than windows |
| 20:34.01 | x_link | starnix_: Does that raptor make alot of noise? |
| 20:34.18 | stoned | x_link: i have to go pickup someone from work, i'll be gone for another hour.. I'll get the package done later and let you now what you'd need to do |
| 20:34.22 | stoned | just hang tght |
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| 20:34.31 | starnix_ | on startup it does a little bit, but it's quieter than I thought |
| 20:34.37 | x_link | stoned: Okej, but I might not be here |
| 20:34.40 | x_link | But it's okej, just let me know |
| 20:34.47 | stoned | ok |
| 20:34.50 | x_link | If I will not be here then I will do it tomorrow |
| 20:34.55 | x_link | I really appreicate that you do ALL this for ME. |
| 20:34.57 | x_link | I really dop. |
| 20:34.59 | x_link | I really do. |
| 20:35.01 | stoned | sure |
| 20:35.05 | x_link | =) |
| 20:35.10 | stoned | i wanna play the game too ya know |
| 20:35.11 | stoned | :) |
| 20:35.29 | stoned | everything about lisencing is solved btw, but some of the audio is copyright prolem |
| 20:36.02 | stoned | so it will be a task trying to get this game into debian.. what I can do is leave the music out, but everything else is gpl2.0 compliant and shouldn't have a problem with DFSG policie |
| 20:36.33 | h3sp4wn | smc ? |
| 20:36.40 | stoned | yes |
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| 20:37.10 | sobersabre | hi peoples. |
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| 20:37.34 | sobersabre | Is there a way to use RPM based apt repositories somehow with alien+rpm on debian ? |
| 20:37.35 | stoned | man salted roasted peanuts and lemonade is da bomb diggity |
| 20:37.38 | h3sp4wn | Can the music etc just not go into non-free and the game in contrib (would that not work) |
| 20:37.56 | stoned | h3sp4wn: i maybe |
| 20:37.58 | stoned | -i |
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| 20:38.15 | wols | sobersabre: no. all it will do is hose your debian packaging system |
| 20:38.23 | wols | stay away from converted rpms |
| 20:38.26 | sobersabre | wols: OK... |
| 20:38.38 | sepski | sobersabre, if you intentionaly want to ruin your system, can't you just as well fill your cdrom with sugar and rip off the cooler from the cpu and spill cocacola in the dimm socets |
| 20:38.39 | h3sp4wn | sobersabre: smart-pm claims to be able to do it however there is no change I would trust it |
| 20:38.52 | h3sp4wn | s/change/chance |
| 20:38.55 | stoned | !debian policy |
| 20:38.56 | dpkg | debian policy is probably a set of rules giving policy requirements for the Debian GNU/Linux distribution. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy (or install debian-policy). |
| 20:39.05 | stoned | h3sp4wn: read |
| 20:39.16 | sobersabre | I have a serious middleware sets that are RHEL3 compatible. |
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| 20:39.33 | sobersabre | I will need to know the tar.gz set I guess |
| 20:39.43 | x_link | starnix_: Okej. |
| 20:39.46 | sobersabre | I mean to s/know/find/ |
| 20:39.52 | x_link | Is it more quiet than a "normal" harddrive? |
| 20:39.54 | wols | sobersabre: convert it to tar.gz and install it that way |
| 20:39.54 | sobersabre | h3sp4wn: smart-pm ? :) |
| 20:39.58 | dragonfly | i need help sharing a printer from my debian box to windows...i have samba installed and i've edited the smb.conf file using swat but I must be missing something |
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| 20:40.03 | x_link | starnix_: Or is it more loud? |
| 20:40.14 | stew | sobersabre: if the game is completely usable without the music, it can go into main. if you can't use it without the music, it needs to go into contrib (as long as it is 100% free) |
| 20:40.18 | stew | stoned: ^^^ |
| 20:40.19 | DavidProck1981 | how can i get my dns name |
| 20:40.29 | stew | DavidProck1981: what do you mean? |
| 20:40.43 | sobersabre | DavidProck1981: what is your dns name ? |
| 20:40.44 | sobersabre | :) |
| 20:40.44 | wols | dragonfly: windows is >= win2k? if so a windows network printer via port 631 is the same as cups |
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| 20:40.49 | wols | ie. cups alone can do it |
| 20:40.51 | stoned | stew: 100% usable.. music is merely an addon |
| 20:40.59 | mikeX | anyone knows what program is used for resizing ext3 filesystems in the debian-installer? |
| 20:41.08 | dragonfly | wols, yes, Windows Vista |
| 20:41.08 | stew | stoned: though i'm sure you can't Depend: on the music package if it were in main, i don't konw about Suggests: |
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| 20:41.24 | h3sp4wn | sobersabre: Don't do it |
| 20:41.34 | stoned | stew: and without the use of Xerces, instead using tinyxml or libxml it is debian policy compliant |
| 20:41.40 | bloodskin | to boot an iso from a usb-hdd do i need to unpack the iso image or do i leave it in tact |
| 20:41.40 | DavidProck1981 | what does it say when i enter the room |
| 20:41.41 | sepski | mikeX, i think parted |
| 20:42.07 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.16 | starnix_ | x_link: other than when the machine is on, there isn't really a more noticeable noise difference |
| 20:42.18 | wols | bloodskin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 20:42.21 | DavidProck1981 | an example of what im asking is Fox_1_ [n=root@host-, WHAT does mine say |
| 20:42.28 | bloodskin | ??? |
| 20:42.39 | stew | stoned: that's good news (xerces) |
| 20:42.40 | x_link | starnix_: Okej. |
| 20:42.52 | wols | DavidProck1981: cpe-065-188-200-030.triad.res.rr.com |
| 20:42.53 | dragonfly | wols, so what do i have to do to configure the share through cups (i have cups installed already) |
| 20:43.00 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 20:43.09 | x_link | starnix_: Cause I founda cheap 36GB raptor, I want to use it as hda. I just want to install my Debian and my programs on it. |
| 20:43.10 | stew | stoned: dude you just just write some music for it then |
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| 20:43.25 | wols | DavidProck1981: if cups listens on port 631: nothing |
| 20:43.25 | x_link | But I don't think it's worth it. I don't think I will gain that much on having a raptor. |
| 20:43.36 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
| 20:43.45 | bloodskin | uh im not exactly trying to boot from it. im just trying to run it on a buddys machine |
| 20:43.45 | x_link | But now I will stop talking about raptors, this is #Debian =) |
| 20:43.58 | stoned | stew: heavy metal for mario lol |
| 20:44.04 | stoned | i gotta go pick up my sis from work.. bbl |
| 20:44.11 | bloodskin | wait, wtf? metal milicia mario? |
| 20:44.16 | wols | bloodskin: how can you run it without booting? and: why would that change anything? |
| 20:44.25 | sobersabre | another Q., I need to clone 50 machines. |
| 20:44.26 | mikeX | aha, found the issue I have on d-i's errata, bummer :( |
| 20:44.32 | wols | !fai |
| 20:44.32 | dpkg | i guess fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 20:44.38 | stew | stoned: it can go into main and have a Suggests: for the non-free music |
| 20:44.42 | bloodskin | wols: im not sure on both |
| 20:45.00 | h3sp4wn | stoned: (I have tried to read that document its complicated though) I would say as there are no source for the png's in data then its non-free |
| 20:45.01 | sobersabre | wols: does it support multicast push ? |
| 20:45.08 | sobersabre | wols: I mean FAI |
| 20:45.12 | wols | sobersabre: dunno? |
| 20:45.33 | stew | h3sp4wn: if the png is the prefered medium for editing the file then it is the source |
| 20:45.39 | bloodskin | well, whatever. ill read that guide and see what the outcome is |
| 20:45.52 | stew | h3sp4wn: if the png is made my converting an svg to a png, then the svg is the source |
| 20:46.23 | bloodskin | AMD64 USERS: DO NOT ask for help in #winehq they will guide you to fucking up your system |
| 20:46.49 | wols | bloodskin: coming from you, I will take that with a grain of salt, sorry |
| 20:46.55 | bloodskin | and tell you to use an ubuntu dapper pack or some shitg |
| 20:47.00 | wols | and you never should blindly follow what people on irc tell you |
| 20:47.11 | stew | bloodskin: that can be summed up by, "don't install non-debian software when a debian version exists" or "don't install ubuntu packages onto debian" |
| 20:47.32 | enouf | wols: http://pastebin.ca/461675 |
| 20:47.40 | bloodskin | well, when 6 or 7 people suggest it from a help channel it kind of influences yopu |
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| 20:48.22 | enouf | or whomever cares to look at it .. it's a PATH= issue , root, sudio, whatever thingy |
| 20:48.22 | Ankman | anybody using sarge and privoxy? |
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| 20:48.35 | Ankman | seems my version is from 2004 and no update available |
| 20:48.56 | Ankman | and newer default.action and other stuff throw errors on this old version |
| 20:48.57 | holden | I've gpt the etch r0 netinst CD and when I try to enter "expertgui" in the boot prompt it loads and shows a white screen with a mouse then freezes |
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| 20:50.20 | GhostlyDeath | Just install WINE off SVN/CVS |
| 20:50.20 | bloodskin | .page ipod |
| 20:50.21 | bloodskin | >.< |
| 20:50.21 | GhostlyDeath | get the required libs and install it |
| 20:50.21 | bloodskin | life needs a search function. |
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| 20:50.21 | h3sp4wn | stew: thanks |
| 20:50.21 | rpc | are there any limits when setting up a file for loop mounting it? |
| 20:50.21 | AuroraMSX | hello, I've got a networking problem since my last upgrade, last week: my network connection doesnt work anymore (obviously, I'm on another computer now ;-)) |
| 20:50.21 | rpc | like size of it |
| 20:50.38 | AuroraMSX | the error message is: SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address |
| 20:50.50 | AuroraMSX | with the result: Network unreachable :-/ |
| 20:50.58 | GhostlyDeath | How do I statically link libraries a program needs in GCC so I can make it stand alone? |
| 20:51.14 | bloodskin | is wine already configured in etch? |
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| 20:51.17 | wols | enouf: add the path stuff into /root/.profile and/or /root/.bashrc |
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| 20:51.38 | wols | AuroraMSX: make your kernel load the driver again |
| 20:51.58 | AuroraMSX | *the* driver? |
| 20:52.15 | wols | the driver for your NIC |
| 20:52.29 | h3sp4wn | GhostlyDeath: use -static in CFLAGS but its rarely that simple |
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| 20:52.51 | holden | I'm trying to install Etch from the 4.0r0 netinst CD in "expert" mode and everything is great up to "Install the base system" where right at 0% the background goes red and gives an error: |
| 20:53.13 | bubazoo | is there a way to get iwconfig eth1 key open "my WEP key" iwconfig eth1 essid "my essid" to automatically run at startup? |
| 20:53.18 | giupy_ | ob3r0n: i have read that with -X i can use X app on the client |
| 20:53.20 | holden | "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and noo valid mirror was configured." |
| 20:53.29 | giupy_ | ob3r0n: but for the sound ? |
| 20:53.42 | holden | Which is odd because I chose a HTTP mirror for the repositories |
| 20:53.47 | wols | bubazoo: yes. put the stuff in /etc/interfaces. /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools or so should have examples |
| 20:53.48 | h3sp4wn | bubazoo: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 20:54.01 | AuroraMSX | wols my nic is a realtek 8139, and the modules (8139, 8139too) are loaded. how do i reload them? |
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| 20:54.07 | wols | h3sp4wn: do you have network access at this point? |
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| 20:54.28 | wols | AuroraMSX: only load one. not both. simply put 8139too in /etc/modules |
| 20:54.34 | bubazoo | wols: tried that, auto eth1 didn't work, so I tried allow-hotplug eth1 that didn't work either |
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| 20:54.45 | bubazoo | still have to run those series of commands to get wireless to start up |
| 20:54.48 | bubazoo | after boot |
| 20:54.49 | wols | AuroraMSX: and if it still doesn't work, run "/sbin/ifconfig -a" and show if there is any ethX shown |
| 20:55.01 | Fox_1_ | hi |
| 20:55.14 | wols | bubazoo: cause you didn't edit yur /etc/network/interfaces properly |
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| 20:55.50 | Fox_1_ | anyone know program which support skype protocol |
| 20:55.51 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 20:55.56 | wols | Fox_1_: yes. skype |
| 20:56.10 | Fox_1_ | but it's doesn't work in amd64 |
| 20:56.14 | bubazoo | wols: the howto says I'm supposed to put auto eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and I DID |
| 20:56.26 | wols | tell skype to open their shitty proprietary protocol then |
| 20:56.37 | wols | bubazoo: but that's no all |
| 20:56.47 | Fox_1_ | skype protocol is closed? |
| 20:56.50 | wols | bubazoo: do what h3sp4wn told you |
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| 20:56.58 | bubazoo | wols: well it didn't say what else, thats all it said |
| 20:57.10 | wols | bubazoo: not my fault the howto is shit |
| 20:57.46 | bubazoo | h3sp4wn didn't tell me anything, wols did |
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| 20:57.49 | enouf | wols: thanks .. it's already in /root/.bashrc ... and here's that file's contents, plus /root/.profile contents http://pastebin.ca/461699 notice line 21 i added today already earlier |
| 20:58.00 | wols | he did: 22:54 < h3sp4wn> bubazoo: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
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| 20:58.01 | bubazoo | and wols didn't say what I left out in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:58.06 | tabris|away | Fox_1_: yes. closed. proprietary. don't make ppl repeat themselves ad infinitum in perpetuity forever on and on and on for eons. |
| 20:58.14 | bubazoo | wols: I know I did read that |
| 20:58.16 | wols | bubazoo: you reading skills leave something to be desired |
| 20:58.23 | giupy_ | how can i use sound on a ssh client ? |
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| 20:58.50 | bubazoo | wols: I did, it said to put those commands in /etc/network/interfaces and thats WHAT I DID |
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| 20:59.23 | wols | bubazoo: you did NOT read or not unedrstand that README.Debian file |
| 20:59.34 | wols | there are several examples which are pretty much self explanatory there |
| 20:59.48 | Fox_1_ | tabris|away: yes, thats really bad |
| 21:00.13 | wols | giupy_: don't think ssh has functions for that |
| 21:00.16 | GeorgeS069 | Howdy folks... abrotman...where was that How-to for the ethernet bridge again? |
| 21:00.40 | abrotman | tldp.org ? |
| 21:00.42 | giupy_ | wols: so, i can't see an avi ? |
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| 21:00.58 | wols | giupy_: how would you watch an avi over ssh? |
| 21:01.01 | GeorgeS069 | I think that was it...just not sure where on tldp.org it was |
| 21:01.02 | enouf | oh crap wols , am i suposed to make line 21 say something like export PATH="$PATH:blah:/blah/blah" , and remove that [ if, else. then, fi ] nonsense? .. or should it say "set PATH= ...." |
| 21:01.03 | Fox_1_ | so, if I use amd64 I can't use skype? |
| 21:01.16 | giupy_ | wols: dunno, mplayer and -X option ? |
| 21:01.18 | wols | if you do it via portforward. the full avi stream is transferred. video and sound |
| 21:01.33 | wols | Fox_1_: ask skype.com, not us |
| 21:01.35 | giupy_ | what is portforward ? |
| 21:01.55 | wols | enouf: I'd simply put a export PATH=$PATH:.... at the end of both |
| 21:02.00 | wols | enouf: overkill never ever hurts :) |
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| 21:02.15 | enouf | wols: ok .. gotcha . trying now, thanks |
| 21:02.23 | wols | giupy_: transferring something via ssh encrypted |
| 21:02.42 | giupy_ | wols: well, i want do that :) |
| 21:02.46 | AuroraMSX | wols, 8139too in /etc/modules & reboot -> no changes :-/ |
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| 21:02.58 | wols | AuroraMSX: what did ifconfig -a say? |
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| 21:03.13 | wols | if there was no ethX for the NIC, check you kernel logs |
| 21:03.27 | xand | AuroraMSX: rebooting is for Windows |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: they have a ton .. or ask google :) |
| 21:03.48 | wols | xand: to test what the kernel loads by default, it's needed unfortunately |
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| 21:04.03 | chops | AuroraMSX: 'modprobe 8139too' should be sufficient, no need to reboot |
| 21:04.09 | bahadunn | what up suckas |
| 21:04.22 | GeorgeS069 | ok |
| 21:04.38 | bloodskin | http://wiki.debian.org just making a link for myself |
| 21:04.43 | giupy_ | ok, i go bad |
| 21:04.57 | AuroraMSX | ifconfig does show eth0 |
| 21:04.59 | giupy_ | wols: thanks for all :) |
| 21:05.00 | abrotman | bloodskin: you're adding yourself ? |
| 21:05.11 | praka123 | hello am using debian sid+experimntal i cant play any video files in system,got an error prakash@sid:~$ xine |
| 21:05.11 | praka123 | This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5cvs. |
| 21:05.11 | praka123 | (c) 2000-2006 The xine Team. |
| 21:05.11 | praka123 | X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 21:05.12 | praka123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:05.12 | giupy_ | at soon |
| 21:05.12 | bloodskin | no |
| 21:05.14 | wols | AuroraMSX: then paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:05.15 | AuroraMSX | when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart I get: |
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| 21:05.24 | bloodskin | just using a link to open it |
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| 21:05.36 | bloodskin | if i were to add myself i would add noobzor |
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| 21:05.55 | AuroraMSX | SIOCSIFNETMASK: Cannot assign requested address |
| 21:05.55 | AuroraMSX | SIOCSIFBRDADDR: Cannot assign requested address |
| 21:05.55 | AuroraMSX | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 21:05.56 | AuroraMSX | Starting the Firestarter firewall: failed. |
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| 21:06.12 | wols | *sigh* |
| 21:06.12 | holden | hmmm ok |
| 21:06.29 | holden | "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured." <Go Back> <Continue> |
| 21:06.44 | holden | Etch 4.0rc0 netinst fails to install the base system with that error |
| 21:06.47 | wols | holden: do you have network access at this point in time? |
| 21:06.52 | rambo3 | <China> |
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| 21:07.07 | AuroraMSX | arf |
| 21:07.07 | holden | Google turns up a previous IRC discussion in #debian of someone having this error but it's never resolved |
| 21:07.12 | AuroraMSX | pasting /network/interfaces is kinda hard without network connectivity - I'll need to copy/type/paste :-) |
| 21:07.20 | holden | wols: I was able to wget the Google logo gif |
| 21:07.33 | AuroraMSX | auto lo |
| 21:07.36 | wols | holden: try to wget something from your chosen mirror |
| 21:07.40 | AuroraMSX | iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:07.45 | AuroraMSX | auto eth0 |
| 21:07.54 | holden | wols: One odd thing though: the etch installer detected my 3com NIC as eth1 instead of eth0 like it has always been under Debian |
| 21:07.56 | AuroraMSX | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:08.06 | wols | holden: blame udev |
| 21:08.07 | AuroraMSX | iface dsl-provider inet ppp |
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| 21:08.15 | AuroraMSX | provider dsl-provider |
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| 21:08.26 | rambo3 | AuroraMSX, you you retarded boy? |
| 21:08.28 | AuroraMSX | hm, I wouldn't need that last one |
| 21:08.34 | bahadunn | why blame udev? |
| 21:08.39 | holden | wols: but is that a problem? |
| 21:08.44 | AuroraMSX | rambo3, yes, but not lobotomized like you ;-) |
| 21:08.49 | wols | bahadunn: cause it sometimes changes device assignments |
| 21:09.00 | holden | It sees eth0 as a Firewire device |
| 21:09.02 | wols | AuroraMSX: it is kinda stupid. |
| 21:09.06 | wols | !tell AuroraMSX about paster |
| 21:09.20 | holden | and eth1 is my 3com NIC |
| 21:09.28 | wols | holden: ok, that's the other reason: fw is loaded first so it gets assigned eth0 |
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| 21:09.59 | rambo3 | AuroraMSX, yeah irc fight dont be stupid and use pastebin |
| 21:10.00 | holden | So that doesn't have anything to do with the base system failing installation? |
| 21:10.13 | praka123 | Hello uses Debian sid+experimental,cant play videos as all mm players crashes |
| 21:10.14 | wols | holden: not really |
| 21:10.22 | holden | ermm |
| 21:10.29 | AuroraMSX | rambo3, relax. ok will do. |
| 21:10.32 | wols | !tell praka123 about dmm |
| 21:10.33 | praka123 | the error shown is X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 21:10.37 | wols | praka123: try mplayer |
| 21:10.47 | bubazoo | wols: ok, so do I put in wireless-key-open and wireless-essid ? |
| 21:10.49 | praka123 | mplayer too crashes if i set in Xv mode |
| 21:10.52 | bubazoo | I am confused |
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| 21:11.04 | praka123 | but mplayer works with Xshm mode. |
| 21:11.04 | h3sp4wn | praka123: Are you using the libxcb stuff from experimental ? |
| 21:11.08 | bubazoo | I read the README.debian file, but I don't know what to put there for WEP |
| 21:11.10 | praka123 | yes |
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| 21:11.21 | praka123 | <h3sp4wn>:yes |
| 21:11.23 | bubazoo | I tried to do a google search but it didn't come up with nothing on WEP |
| 21:11.24 | wols | bubazoo: I thought you use WEP |
| 21:11.31 | bubazoo | yes |
| 21:11.35 | holden | well the other odd thing wols is that at the "Choose a mirror from the Debain archive" step I chose an HTTP mirror (tried a couple actually) and at the end it took less than a second to download the index |
| 21:11.38 | wols | bubazoo: there is WEP described in there |
| 21:11.48 | holden | Release File I mean |
| 21:11.58 | praka123 | i downgraded libx11-6 today for java to work;now with xcb what can i do |
| 21:12.03 | holden | The bar goes to 100% almost instantaneously and doesn't download package lists |
| 21:12.05 | bubazoo | wols no, it just says wireless<function> <value> |
| 21:12.06 | wols | holden: doesn't sound like it downloaded anything |
| 21:12.13 | rambo3 | praka123, videooverlay on in xorg.conf ? |
| 21:12.21 | holden | wols: So how do I make it download something? |
| 21:12.25 | holden | wget something from the mirror? |
| 21:12.29 | wols | bubazoo: read more carefully |
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| 21:12.36 | wols | holden: yes |
| 21:12.39 | sylvanthis | !italy |
| 21:12.39 | dpkg | well, italy is the county where people eat spaghetti and pizza all day. They have a pope, too, I think. |
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| 21:12.46 | praka123 | <rambo3>:No |
| 21:12.49 | AuroraMSX | wols, any ideas? thing is: the puter ran fine last week, I turn it on now - no changes and it wook connect |
| 21:12.50 | bubazoo | it doesn't say what commands to use for essid and the wep key |
| 21:12.54 | AuroraMSX | wook->wont |
| 21:13.07 | wols | praka123: not doing stupid things like downgrading only a single xlib |
| 21:13.14 | bubazoo | wols: kiss my fucking ass man!! you are no freakin help |
| 21:13.20 | wols | praka123: and what java was this? |
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| 21:13.28 | praka123 | <wols>:I did acc to the maintainers advice |
| 21:13.35 | rambo3 | praka123, i think it should be auto even if its not passed in xorg.conf |
| 21:13.38 | bubazoo | YOU read the dang readme and YOU tell me how cuz I bet u don't knoe either |
| 21:13.40 | wols | now go away |
| 21:13.43 | praka123 | java apps crashes due to error in xcb |
| 21:13.50 | wols | good way to ask for help |
| 21:13.58 | praka123 | sun-java6 |
| 21:14.16 | bubazoo | wols: I did ask for help and all you did was tell me how to read a manual page |
| 21:14.21 | wols | praka123: is java6 really necessary? java5 won't work? |
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| 21:14.22 | bubazoo | like I already knew that |
| 21:14.29 | holden | wols: I was able to wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/README successfully |
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| 21:14.33 | wols | bubazoo: you obviously didn't know |
| 21:14.35 | xand | dude |
| 21:14.39 | bubazoo | the commands I'm looking for aren't in that document |
| 21:14.51 | praka123 | yes.both crashed :) with xcb java5 OK for me |
| 21:14.51 | bubazoo | least if your going to help me you could point me in the right direction |
| 21:15.00 | bubazoo | instead of leading me down the wrong path |
| 21:15.02 | wols | bubazoo: thhey are. wireless-key1 0123-4567-89ab-cdef <- what does this look like? |
| 21:15.05 | bubazoo | or say NOTHING at all |
| 21:15.07 | praka123 | <wols>:Option "EnableAGPDMA" "On" in my xoreg.con |
| 21:15.27 | bubazoo | wols: it didn't say that |
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| 21:15.40 | bubazoo | and besides, thats all it said |
| 21:15.42 | wols | bubazoo: what debian version? |
| 21:15.47 | bubazoo | Etch |
| 21:16.06 | bubazoo | nevermind I will keep googling |
| 21:16.33 | praka123 | now the problem is with Xv i cant play any :( |
| 21:17.37 | wols | firging liar |
| 21:17.48 | wols | the line I quoted is in etch's wireless tools |
| 21:17.56 | praka123 | the errors i got Major opcode of failed request: 141 (XVideo) |
| 21:18.08 | praka123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.10 | wols | is xv loaded? |
| 21:18.21 | praka123 | is it for me? |
| 21:18.22 | karsten | wols: No, it's broke. |
| 21:18.24 | wols | and why did you enable that config thing? |
| 21:18.32 | karsten | wols: The graphics viewer? |
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| 21:18.45 | wols | karsten: xview the X module/extension |
| 21:18.50 | karsten | wols: NM. |
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| 21:21.11 | praka123 | thx |
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| 21:21.51 | Jonny | Any samba experts in? |
| 21:22.16 | Jonny | <Jonny> Right. I'm sure this has been asked 1000 times: "session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)" |
| 21:22.16 | Jonny | <Jonny> That's what I get when mounting from Etch to Etch |
| 21:22.20 | Jonny | <Jonny> The username/passwords are correct, and the server that I am connecting to is... definitely working :) |
| 21:22.20 | karsten | Jonny: #samba. Or /msg dpkg ask |
| 21:22.22 | AuroraMSX | wols, any ideas? |
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| 21:22.32 | Jonny | Not much response in #samba |
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| 21:23.08 | wols | AuroraMSX: try a static IP in the same subnet |
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| 21:23.22 | wols | AuroraMSX: it looks like the dhcp server sends bogus data |
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| 21:23.48 | Bogus8 | wols: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
| 21:23.54 | enouf | wols: thanks .. turns out /root/.bashrc does crap .. adding this export PATH="$PATH:/lib/udev" to /root/.profile works ;-) |
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| 21:24.02 | Xbill | here i am |
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| 21:24.17 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.21 | Xbill | i am turning on line |
| 21:24.29 | AuroraMSX | wols, but that same dhcp server served the laptop i'm typing on now - that seems to work ^_^ |
| 21:24.40 | enouf | wols: so now .. onto adding that to my user's .bash_profile |
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| 21:24.51 | wols | AuroraMSX: sure. but you get netmask errors and thelike |
| 21:24.53 | Xbill | i have finished my diner and to see telly |
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| 21:25.12 | wols | Xbill: fascinating but irrlevant |
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| 21:25.48 | deeperror | wols: i think my problem was write protection on the usb drive...is there any way to do this with a command if there isn't a physical switch? |
| 21:25.51 | Xbill | no thanks |
| 21:26.09 | wols | deeperror: no clue since write protection is never standard |
| 21:26.16 | deeperror | k |
| 21:26.29 | deeperror | can't chattr cause its fat16 |
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| 21:26.54 | AuroraMSX | wols, hmok. with a static ip i can ping the router/dhcp server, but pingping any external ip results in 'Network unreachable' |
| 21:27.12 | praka123 | Debian Sid+experimental I cant play videos all players exit with error X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) |
| 21:27.27 | praka123 | Major opcode of failed request: 141 (XVideo) |
| 21:27.32 | praka123 | Minor opcode of failed request: 19 () |
| 21:27.43 | praka123 | what went wrong |
| 21:27.58 | praka123 | libxcb is installed |
| 21:28.00 | AuroraMSX | praka123, are you in group 'video'? |
| 21:28.07 | praka123 | yes. |
| 21:28.09 | enouf | wols: bingo! we have a winnAr ;-) |
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| 21:28.31 | abrotman | praka123: check the BTS ? |
| 21:28.40 | praka123 | with the latest upgrade to xcb from experimental |
| 21:28.50 | praka123 | <abrotman>:BTS |
| 21:28.52 | praka123 | ? |
| 21:29.01 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:29.01 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 21:29.13 | abrotman | how the hell do you get on sid+exp and not know what the BTS is ? |
| 21:29.23 | praka123 | yes.already posted there. |
| 21:29.28 | praka123 | sorry for my ... |
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| 21:30.14 | praka123 | i downgraded the pkg libx11-6 to version in unstable as per the maintainer |
| 21:30.35 | enouf | bah .. stinkin sudo .. bah |
| 21:30.46 | wols | AuroraMSX: gateway is not set probably. so when this fixed it, your DHCP server handed out bogus data (sorry Bogus8) |
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| 21:31.08 | MaikBeckmann | /enouf wich flavor? |
| 21:31.10 | Bogus8 | wols: ehrm! |
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| 21:31.17 | wols | abrotman: stop asking silly questions like that |
| 21:31.18 | Bogus8 | :p |
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| 21:31.35 | wols | Bogus8: I wil stop mentioning you if you fix his DHCP server :P |
| 21:31.41 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 21:31.42 | bloodskin | are there any linux media players with a debian looking theme? |
| 21:31.59 | AuroraMSX | wols, it indeed seems so. so, no problem with the linux box. then i wonder what made router hiccup. hm... |
| 21:32.03 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.04 | Ankman | seesm my system ignores the ale setting in /etc/default/locale |
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| 21:32.17 | AuroraMSX | gonna restart the router - have to disconnect for that, i'll report later |
| 21:32.26 | enouf | MaikBeckmann: moi? |
| 21:32.33 | wols | enouf: what config file is executed when for shells is really byzantine |
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| 21:32.57 | enouf | it's criminal! |
| 21:33.06 | wols | ;) |
| 21:33.45 | Ankman | where do i tell sarge to use a certain locale? |
| 21:33.45 | MaikBeckmann | /enouf, you already stated why sudo stinks, thanks ;) |
| 21:33.45 | Ankman | cyrrently all is set to C |
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| 21:33.54 | enouf | what's with the slash slash? |
| 21:34.17 | wols | Ankman: did you log out after setting it anew? |
| 21:34.30 | enouf | MaikBeckmann: actually, it may be some udev shit causing this .. it's a toss up at the moment |
| 21:34.48 | Ankman | wols: yes |
| 21:34.49 | wols | enouf: I doubt it |
| 21:35.13 | wols | how would device drivers have anything to do with paths? |
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| 21:36.33 | enouf | sudo works near perfect (debian's implementation) in almost all other circumstances .. only after Sarge and udev, have i noticed weird, unforeseen nonsense, that never occured prior .. like you'll get a permission denied even as Root in an xterm trying to enter /dev/,static/dev .. go ahead and try :-P |
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| 21:36.55 | enouf | er /dev/.static/dev |
| 21:37.06 | enouf | only on TTY as root can i do it |
| 21:37.36 | enouf | DCOPserver, Hal, udev crap .. ftw \o/ |
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| 21:38.19 | enouf | i doubt vol_id is a device driver wols |
| 21:38.34 | RvGaTe | I wanted to test out my tv-tuner card, so i installed xawtv, but for some reason i am unable to startup xawtv... giving me this error: http://pastebin.co.uk/13605 , im trying the console, becouse it didn't appear in my menu after i installed it... any idea's? |
| 21:39.39 | h3sp4wn | I can get into /dev/.static/dev as root |
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| 21:39.53 | enouf | here's another test ..do any "grep -ir <keyword> /sys" .. use any keyword you like .. tons of "permission denied" |
| 21:40.04 | enouf | h3sp4wn: xterm? |
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| 21:40.07 | pumpkin0 | [etch] How much RAM does enabling DRI consume (vs running Xorg w/o any mesa libs)? more or less then 5MB? more then 10 MB? Or is there another fully operational, drop-in replacement X server with lower RAM requierments ? |
| 21:40.12 | h3sp4wn | enouf: yep |
| 21:40.12 | AuroraMSX | rehi |
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| 21:40.41 | AuroraMSX | wols, that was indeed the problem. a reboot of the modem/router did the trick |
| 21:40.54 | AuroraMSX | rambo3, yes /me is a retarded boy :-P |
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| 21:41.03 | AuroraMSX | have a nice weekend all |
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| 21:41.09 | h3sp4wn | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/26680 |
| 21:41.10 | enouf | h3sp4wn: right .. my bad .. frustration causes anurisms ;-) .. but you can't using sudo .. right? |
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| 21:41.30 | h3sp4wn | enouf: I can from sudo -i (that is what its from) |
| 21:41.33 | alex90 | ðóññêèå åñòü? |
| 21:41.57 | h3sp4wn | enouf: sudo uses the users path and so it cannot see anything in there |
| 21:42.05 | Octopssy | Anyone uses x11vnc here? |
| 21:42.07 | enouf | sudo -i ? hrm .. hits the man pages |
| 21:42.32 | alex90 | åáàòü |
| 21:42.36 | alex90 | æîïû |
| 21:42.37 | pumpkin0 | Octopssy: yes, but a long time ago. Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 21:42.41 | alex90 | îäóïëèòåñü êòîòî =) |
| 21:42.41 | enouf | h3sp4wn: how about it you do, as user in xterm, a su - .. can you then also? |
| 21:42.59 | Octopssy | ok |
| 21:43.02 | h3sp4wn | enouf: yes |
| 21:43.14 | Octopssy | well, i dont see in the man page or wherever how I can set a defined resolution |
| 21:43.20 | Octopssy | to start the program with |
| 21:43.28 | enouf | h3sp4wn: yep .. me too .. ok .. battlescars haunting me |
| 21:43.46 | enouf | h3sp4wn: now .. for hte real test .. grepping /sys ;-) |
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| 21:43.58 | enouf | h3sp4wn: recursively ;-) |
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| 21:44.11 | arencinosa | #flush |
| 21:44.13 | enouf | or using find on /sys or /proc |
| 21:44.15 | albino | Can someone tell me how to clear aptitude's idea of work-to-do? |
| 21:44.16 | pumpkin0 | Octopssy: x11vnc uses the resolution X11 runs at. It does not create a new X11-style server. |
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| 21:44.43 | arencinosa | albino: aptitude -f install |
| 21:44.51 | Octopssy | pumpkin0: okay too bad, I thought it maybe was possible , cos when I know approach that X11 server from my mac screen it really fucks up |
| 21:44.56 | arencinosa | albino: maybe apt-get -f install |
| 21:45.15 | arencinosa | how can I use conntrack module? I am getting an error: iptables v1.3.7: unknown protocol `ftp' specified |
| 21:45.22 | h3sp4wn | enouf: Lots of recursive directory loop and permission denied |
| 21:45.27 | pumpkin0 | Octopssy: you can run another vnc server (like tinyvnc) at any resolution you want ... |
| 21:45.33 | enouf | h3sp4wn: right |
| 21:45.55 | Octopssy | also with the resolution my server's at? |
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| 21:46.30 | albino | arencinosa: That isn't clearing it, at least the aptitude version |
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| 21:46.38 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i don't like permission denied, when i want access ;-) .. however, i'm reading the -i option now in man pages |
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| 21:46.47 | pumpkin0 | Octopssy: yes. (but i think you are trying to do something strange. explain a bit more...) |
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| 21:47.07 | bloodskin | someone come help me look for my ipod. ill give you a dollar |
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| 21:47.24 | h3sp4wn | enouf: sudo -i ~= su - |
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| 21:47.42 | enouf | h3sp4wn: got it .. thanks |
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| 21:48.13 | h3sp4wn | enouf: sudo -s keeps $PATH wrong (I think su without the - should do the same but it doesn't seem to in linux0 |
| 21:48.44 | Octopssy | okay well, imagine my server screen's running at 1400x1050. I don't want any new session, i want it remotely reachable the same as I had been physically behind the pc. But, I want it to be resized or something |
| 21:49.02 | Octopssy | when im reaching it remotely from a screen that's got a lower resolution |
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| 21:49.26 | enouf | h3sp4wn: here's the brunt iof the issue |
| 21:49.27 | enouf | $ sudo -i vol_id -ult /dev/hda3 |
| 21:49.30 | enouf | /lib/udev/vol_id: /lib/udev/vol_id: cannot execute binary file |
| 21:50.04 | enouf | $ echo $PATH |
| 21:50.06 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i get this error on the second boot: hdc: disk not ready for command.. even after reinstall the system boots the first time but the second time i get this error.. |
| 21:50.06 | enouf | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/lib/udev |
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| 21:50.49 | pumpkin0 | Octopssy: x11vnc is the way to go. (it is the only way to get a copy from the local screen). There are vnc-clients that can resize. try to change the client, not the server. |
| 21:50.52 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i'm guessing a Security mechanism, since one can obtain UUIDs and such using those commands in ther |
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| 21:51.08 | Octopssy | okay |
| 21:51.14 | enouf | lemme drop to tty and try |
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| 21:53.23 | enouf | same exact behavior |
| 21:53.26 | maddash | !cdrecord |
| 21:53.26 | dpkg | [cdrecord] a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 21:53.42 | enouf | only diff, was echo $TERM said linux, not xterm, neaturally |
| 21:53.54 | enouf | !wodim |
| 21:53.54 | dpkg | wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of cdrecord. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
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| 21:54.16 | maddash | wodim? |
| 21:54.28 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 21:54.38 | Caelum | where do I tell icedove what my web browser is? |
| 21:54.39 | enouf | and genisoimage (was mkisofs) |
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| 21:54.48 | enouf | all part of cdrkit ;-) |
| 21:54.55 | maddash | enouf: oh, cdrecord is deprecated. thanks. |
| 21:55.12 | enouf | dvd+rw-tool has growisofs |
| 21:55.15 | enouf | maddash: yep |
| 21:55.26 | enouf | dvd+rw-tools <--correction |
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| 21:57.09 | arencinosa | albino: maybe I didn't get you: what do you need, actually? |
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| 21:58.41 | albino | arencinosa: evertime I hit g in aptitude to do something it wants to remove my currently running kernel. I want a way to tell aptitude "forget your current idea of what needs to happen and go back to a clean state" |
| 21:58.53 | enouf | h3sp4wn: though my theory about "security mechanism" is riddled with holes, since using sudo, one can access /dev/disk/* and even with just user permissions, /etc/blkid.tab |
| 21:58.59 | concept10 | !sid |
| 21:58.59 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:59.19 | enouf | wel .. erm .. /dev/disk/* likely needs no special either |
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| 22:00.27 | enouf | heh $ ls -al /dev/disk/* as user .. no prob |
| 22:00.51 | bloodskin | what does "modprobe usb-storage" actually do? |
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| 22:01.53 | RvGaTe | Im having trouwens capturing anything from my tv-tuner, im sure the card works correctly, there is a signal on the cable, and when i plug the cable in a tv i can watch tv... altho, whenever i try to do a channel scan within tvtime, im unable to get a clear signal... any ideas on how this working? (i configured the tv standard to PAL with the europe-west freq. table) |
| 22:03.44 | RvGaTe | lspci result: 00:07.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 02) |
| 22:03.44 | stoned | RvGaTe: hey buddy |
| 22:03.47 | stoned | I got a new headset :)( |
| 22:03.52 | hardcoffee | hi , |
| 22:04.04 | RvGaTe | oops, i meant: 00:07.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 02) |
| 22:04.18 | RvGaTe | stoned, get on skype then, fast |
| 22:04.25 | hardcoffee | how can i install a paquet like zsnes-i386.deb on a 64 bit system ? |
| 22:05.11 | arencinosa | albino: maybe you should do `apt-get -f install' into a terminal (as root) |
| 22:05.18 | stoned | RvGaTe: heh, atm im making some deb packages and hacking some source |
| 22:05.21 | arencinosa | albino: did you do it? |
| 22:05.27 | stoned | RvGaTe: i have not even got it installed yet |
| 22:05.39 | stoned | RvGaTe: i'll install skype here in a bit soon as this is done |
| 22:05.53 | RvGaTe | stoned, make sure it doesn't take you 3 hours |
| 22:05.59 | stoned | heh lol |
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| 22:06.01 | stoned | it won't |
| 22:06.08 | albino | arencinosa: that wants me to remove my current kernel too? Is that a good idea? Something tells me I shouldn't go through with that. |
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| 22:06.37 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. im setting up a debian mailserver, and for that i need to configure the ports on my router.. do i have to configure some ports for smtp or is that not needed? is smtp even included in the mailserver packages? |
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| 22:06.51 | Stephaknee | hey, where are iptables rules located at? |
| 22:07.07 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, iptables --list |
| 22:07.36 | albino | fuzzy_logic: depends on the MTA you're choosing, which one are you choosing? |
| 22:07.49 | Stephaknee | it doesnt say anything. |
| 22:07.59 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, try it as root |
| 22:08.00 | fuzzy_logic | albino: what is mta?? im kinda new to this.. |
| 22:08.08 | tabris|away | fuzzy_logic: Mail Transfer Agent |
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| 22:08.21 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: sudo isnt good enough? |
| 22:08.22 | tabris|away | fuzzy_logic: examples are Postfix, Exim, Sendmail, Courier-SMTP |
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| 22:08.42 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, dont care how you do it tbh :P just do it as root, hehe |
| 22:08.43 | albino | fuzzy_logic: A Mail Transfere Agent is the software daemon that sits on port 25 and waits for mail to arrive |
| 22:08.46 | Stephaknee | anyway, something is keeping dcc ports from being opened unless im root. same IRC client settings on both accounts. |
| 22:08.48 | bloodskin | how do i find out which scsi device my ipod is mapped to? |
| 22:08.57 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: i *did* it as root. it didnt work at all as me. |
| 22:08.59 | fuzzy_logic | albino&tabris|away: when installing from netinst, i just selected the mail server packages.. i didn't do any other configurations |
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| 22:09.19 | albino | fuzzy_logic: this gives a good background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email |
| 22:09.19 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, does the command iptables work at all ? |
| 22:09.26 | arencinosa | albino: you need to install another kernel that your current one, don't you? |
| 22:09.37 | stoned | dpkg-buildpackage: full upload (original source is included) |
| 22:09.40 | stoned | i love success |
| 22:09.43 | fuzzy_logic | albino: so what should i configure in my router? |
| 22:09.44 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: .......i just said that. |
| 22:09.48 | stoned | however it didn't pull in the dependencies correctly |
| 22:10.00 | bloodskin | how do i find out which scsi device my ipod is mapped to? |
| 22:10.01 | stoned | stew: I have a problem pulling in correct dependencies with the variables |
| 22:10.01 | albino | arencinosa: I guess I should, but why does aptitude insist on removing my current one and how can I get it to think that I don't need to remove my current kernel |
| 22:10.02 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: do you want me to show you the output? |
| 22:10.10 | stoned | stew: dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} |
| 22:10.14 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, yes please, pastebin it |
| 22:10.21 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: i know how to be useful when people are trying to help me. if it didnt work i would have said that. |
| 22:10.27 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: we dont have a channel i can paste it in? |
| 22:10.48 | albino | fuzzy_logic: well first you need to decide on an MTA, then you need to configure whatever (including routers) to get the mail to port 25 of the box you install the MTA too, then you need to get your DNS MX records setup correctly. |
| 22:10.54 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, pastbin isnt good anough? ;) |
| 22:11.31 | arencinosa | albino: I don't know why, but you must not go without a kernel, so, try to install someone else |
| 22:11.48 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: 1) i was lazy, 2) I just tried to paste it to pastebin and pastebin.com isnt working. Know of one that is? |
| 22:11.49 | arencinosa | albino: which kernel version: |
| 22:11.49 | stoned | stew: however I spoke with the upstream lead developer of the project, the music addon isn't the problem.. the sounds are. ALL game sounds are included in the main source package, and they are from `Badboy`. 17:38 <@FyuX> jup, but still some sounds have copyright problems <-- according to the lead developer |
| 22:11.49 | arencinosa | ? |
| 22:12.01 | stoned | stew: so it will be a while until I can get this package to comply with DFSG :( |
| 22:12.37 | albino | arencinosa: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:12.38 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, pastebin.nl / pastebin.co.uk / pastebin.jp / pastebin.ru / pastebin.allotmore |
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| 22:12.46 | fuzzy_logic | albino: dns comes later.. how can i figure out what mta i am using? |
| 22:12.48 | albino | arencinosa: at least that's the package name |
| 22:12.50 | stoned | stew: however you offered to take a look at the orig.tar.gz and give me pointers on stuff... so I'll take you up on that offer. Let me know when you're around. Thank you too :) |
| 22:13.08 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: i hope they arent using the same installation of the software on those. |
| 22:13.13 | albino | fuzzy_logic: By default in debian you get exim as the MTA, a dpkg -l | grep exim would probably confirm it |
| 22:13.19 | stoned | stew: you wanna be my mentor/sponsor? or must I search for one in what was it? #debian-mentor? |
| 22:13.22 | stoned | stew: I can't recall |
| 22:13.23 | albino | fuzzy_logic: and yes dns comes later as it is step 3 |
| 22:13.33 | arencinosa | albino: do this: `uname -r' |
| 22:13.33 | stoned | stew: let me know when you're around and please advise |
| 22:13.38 | mentor | hnng |
| 22:13.44 | Stephaknee | pastebin.nl doesnt exist, for what its worth. trying .co.uk now. |
| 22:13.44 | stoned | mentor: haha hey man |
| 22:13.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:13.52 | albino | arencinosa: same, 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 22:14.11 | bloodskin | how do i find out which scsi device my ipod is mapped to? |
| 22:14.29 | stoned | RvGaTe: gimme some time.. kinda busy atm :) |
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| 22:14.57 | RvGaTe | stoned, replying on a pm means replying with a pm.. at least... thats what non-stoned people would do |
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| 22:15.19 | bloodskin | whats wrong with being stoned? |
| 22:15.20 | stoned | RvGaTe: oops |
| 22:15.25 | fuzzy_logic | albino: yes.. i get some feedback on that command |
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| 22:15.42 | arencinosa | albino: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.18 |
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| 22:15.48 | Stephaknee | http://stephanieamanda.pastebin.co.uk/13607 |
| 22:15.54 | Stephaknee | thats for you, RvGaTe |
| 22:15.55 | arencinosa | albino: you should install that one :) |
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| 22:16.07 | karsten | So, I just ran sux as root rather than as user. |
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| 22:16.14 | karsten | Result: I've clobbered my cookie. |
| 22:16.21 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, your iptables is basicly non-configured when you see that... |
| 22:16.25 | karsten | Where is it and how do I restore it? |
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| 22:16.38 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: I kinda figured that. But, does that mean it should let everything through? |
| 22:16.40 | albino | fuzzy_logic: so exim is installed? |
| 22:16.47 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, yup |
| 22:16.58 | fuzzy_logic | i would say so.. i have to go now.. i will be back in 10 mins.. brb |
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| 22:17.18 | albino | arencinosa: heh, I'll try. Every thing I do now with aptitude or apt-get makes me try and remove the current kernel, so I'm reluctant to do just about anything. |
| 22:17.19 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: because something is blocking me from opening port 57470 |
| 22:17.42 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, maybe a router or something? maybe its already in use ? |
| 22:17.47 | penguin | IF I am adding a windows printer using foomatic, can there be spaces in the printer's name? |
| 22:17.51 | stoned | I have a question regarding lisensing. SMC game uses libcegui which in turn depends on Xerces. Is Xerces not debian DFSG compatable? I was told that GPL+APACHE lisense is not compatable. How do I find out which xml libs are being used by the libcegui dev packages in debian ? |
| 22:18.13 | stoned | or should I contact/bother the maintainer of this package? |
| 22:18.19 | stoned | please advise. |
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| 22:18.27 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: i'm behind a router, and i have a block of ports forwarded to this machine. Like i said earlier, root can open the port, but i can't. |
| 22:18.32 | albino | arencinosa: oh, and thanks for the help |
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| 22:18.51 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: lemme sanity check and make sure i can't use the port that worked for root. |
| 22:18.58 | arencinosa | albino: ok, good luck |
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| 22:19.26 | stoned | ok ok damn |
| 22:19.28 | stoned | oops msg |
| 22:19.30 | stoned | goddamit |
| 22:19.37 | RvGaTe | haha |
| 22:19.40 | karsten | Solved. |
| 22:19.46 | karsten | as user: xauth list |
| 22:19.46 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: yeah, this isnt working either. |
| 22:20.15 | karsten | as root: get xauth file from ps waux | grep [X]. xauth -f <file>. add <key>; add <key> |
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| 22:20.19 | karsten | (basically add two cookies). |
| 22:20.26 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, hmm, dont know then... |
| 22:20.30 | Stephaknee | RvGaTe: i havent set anything up that would block it, so i dont know what the deal is. |
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| 22:20.50 | RvGaTe | Stephaknee, maybe someone else in this channel knows |
| 22:21.09 | stoned | Depends: libcegui-mk2-0c2a (= 0.5.0-1), libxerces27-dev |
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| 22:21.44 | ma3x | how do I install these options: standby, hibernate..... and how do I integrate them into kdm? |
| 22:22.04 | stoned | what I don't understand is if libxerces is in debian, and under the apache 2.0 lisence, and the game uses it, and the game is gpl2.0, how is it not compatable |
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| 22:22.12 | stoned | I can't figure this out |
| 22:22.19 | stoned | anyone wanna take a shot at it? |
| 22:22.34 | weshouldbegood | Hi. I'm trying to install TrueCrypt 4.3 from source. I think I've installed all my kernel source files but am not certain. It says that /usr/src/linux does not exist and thus the installation has been aborted. How do I fix this? Thanks! |
| 22:22.58 | stoned | RvGaTe: ok |
| 22:22.59 | stoned | er.. |
| 22:23.00 | stoned | fuck |
| 22:23.02 | stoned | o |
| 22:23.03 | stoned | k |
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| 22:23.08 | stoned | argh. |
| 22:23.09 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: it probably wants kernel source? |
| 22:23.21 | RvGaTe | stoned, damn... how can i be more clear? |
| 22:23.30 | stoned | man screw msg man |
| 22:23.33 | stoned | hold on i install skype |
| 22:23.40 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: if you have that, then create a symlink from /usr/src/linux to the kernel source dir |
| 22:23.52 | Xenguy | !enter |
| 22:23.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:23.54 | weshouldbegood | I know .. but when I do an "apt-get install kernel-source" it says another program refernces it but it has been obsoleted |
| 22:23.58 | stoned | RvGaTe: skype is NOT in debian |
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| 22:24.15 | stoned | RvGaTe: you have a mirror for it ? I can just get it from their site |
| 22:24.19 | RvGaTe | stoned, not in the "main", try adding contrib / non-free |
| 22:24.28 | stoned | i have contrib nonfree |
| 22:24.47 | RvGaTe | stoned, www.skype.com/download/ |
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| 22:25.06 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: so you don't have the kernel source currently? |
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| 22:25.27 | weshouldbegood | no. probably not. |
| 22:25.45 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: is truecrypt not packaged then? |
| 22:26.02 | weshouldbegood | Xenguy: no it's just in source code, there are no .deb 's for it |
| 22:26.11 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: IC |
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| 22:26.23 | stoned | x_link: SMC game packages have been built. Source + binary packages and everything. Let me know when you're around and i'll see if I can upload them somewhere for you. My net upload is too slow also |
| 22:26.54 | x_link | stoned: I REALLY have to go now |
| 22:26.57 | x_link | We can do it tomorrow |
| 22:26.58 | x_link | Okej? |
| 22:27.05 | x_link | My girlfriend is waiting for me |
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| 22:27.27 | Saizan | there's no way to keep a standard GUI process alive between restarts of X, right? |
| 22:27.41 | stoned | x_link: ok |
| 22:27.44 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: what about: dpkg -l linux-source* |
| 22:27.46 | x_link | stoned: Thanks mate! =) I really appreicate it |
| 22:27.51 | stoned | yup |
| 22:27.54 | x_link | Message me when you're online tomorrow |
| 22:27.55 | robin_sz | RvGaTe, you are wrong |
| 22:27.56 | x_link | God night! |
| 22:28.07 | weshouldbegood | Xenguy: I'll try it. |
| 22:28.08 | stoned | x_link: just hope I can figure out this lisensing stuff and get the game into debian main |
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| 22:28.40 | x_link | hehe yeah |
| 22:28.43 | x_link | Good luck with it mate! |
| 22:28.45 | themill | Saizan: put it in a vnc session beforehand if you know you're going to do that, but no other way that I know of |
| 22:28.47 | stoned | thanks |
| 22:28.51 | x_link | take care and good night everybody! |
| 22:29.13 | Xenguy | x_link: I like your freudian slip above :-) |
| 22:29.53 | weshouldbegood | dpkg: error processing linux-source* (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.57 | weshouldbegood | Errors were encountered while processing: linux-source* |
| 22:29.57 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: so based on that output, you should be able to apt-get some suitable kernel source (I hope) |
| 22:30.26 | Xenguy | wtf? |
| 22:30.40 | x_link | Xenguy: ? |
| 22:30.43 | x_link | What do you mean? |
| 22:30.45 | bloodskin | !mirrors |
| 22:30.45 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 22:31.27 | Xenguy | x_link: 18:29 < x_link> God night! |
| 22:31.54 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: that error was produced by what command? |
| 22:32.10 | weshouldbegood | dpkg -i linux-source* |
| 22:32.21 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: no |
| 22:32.31 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: dpkg -l linux-source* |
| 22:32.33 | Xenguy | ell |
| 22:33.06 | ma3x | how do I add suspend/hibernate into the kdm logout menu? |
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| 22:33.34 | weshouldbegood | debian:/home/anonymous/truecrypt-4.3-source-code/Linux# dpkg -l linux-source |
| 22:33.34 | weshouldbegood | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 22:33.34 | weshouldbegood | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 22:33.34 | weshouldbegood | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 22:33.35 | weshouldbegood | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 22:33.45 | Xenguy | !paste |
| 22:33.45 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 22:33.57 | Xenguy | !paste |
| 22:33.57 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 22:34.15 | weshouldbegood | ok |
| 22:34.32 | holden | something fishy is happening with etch 4.0r0 netinst d-i detecting my network hardware: I had my "Onboard 1394" set to disabled in my BIOS and d-i still detected eth0 as a firewire Ethernet device and my 3com NIC as eth1 |
| 22:34.48 | Xenguy | holden: yes! |
| 22:34.54 | holden | But when I reenabled 1394 in my BIOS, it shows eth0 AND eth1 as Firewire Ethernet devices and eth2 as my NIC |
| 22:34.57 | bloodskin | who thinks i will fail at a usb-hdd install |
| 22:35.13 | Xenguy | holden: I have a bug to file on Etch (and testing) for a Xircom NIC |
| 22:35.25 | weshouldbegood | my paste is at: http://dark-code.bulix.org/3tksd6-40071?raw |
| 22:35.32 | holden | My NIC is a 3com 3c940 |
| 22:35.33 | thorat | anyone here get unmet dependency error for subversion on freshly updated unstable (amd64)? |
| 22:35.33 | Xenguy | holden: not the same thing, but both network flakiness? |
| 22:35.54 | bloodskin | holden as in the holden srt? |
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| 22:36.02 | holden | Xenguy: yeah! and it can't download the package list from my chosen repository! |
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| 22:36.08 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: OK (prepend nick always due to monitoring multiple channels :-) |
| 22:36.19 | holden | Xenguy: Even though I can wget things from the terminal off of the same netinst CD |
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| 22:36.48 | holden | bloodskin: caulfield |
| 22:37.13 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: no. This is the last time I am typing this: dpkg -l linux-source* |
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| 22:37.26 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: see the asterisk on the end? It makes a difference |
| 22:37.49 | bloodskin | oooooooo, the catcher in the rye |
| 22:37.51 | weshouldbegood | Sorry I'm a newb.. been using Debian for 1 week now.. brb I try it |
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| 22:38.00 | Xenguy | holden: hrm |
| 22:38.06 | holden | Xenguy: Do you think that not d-i failing to contact my repository mirror has to do with this? |
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| 22:38.10 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: no worries |
| 22:38.30 | holden | I configured the eth1 interface of my NIC just fine and like I said I can wget files, even from the mirror I chose |
| 22:38.42 | holden | But when I get to "Install base system" it fails |
| 22:38.45 | Xenguy | holden: mirrors sound like a different issue; I'm talking about hardware detection failure |
| 22:38.53 | holden | "The installer cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured." <Go Back> <Continue> |
| 22:39.04 | Xenguy | holden: try a different mirror? |
| 22:39.05 | themill | I've just been trying to get xorg running on a new laptop. It's got a "MJ Allen Homepage- |
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| 22:39.12 | themill | damn.... |
| 22:39.17 | inFw | I need a fresh sources.list for debian etch. Can anyone recommend me a link? It's a server. |
| 22:39.35 | Xenguy | holden: I think your issue is different from my hardware detection bug |
| 22:39.38 | themill | VGA card is a: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 3371 |
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| 22:39.44 | inFw | A link for a sources.list or to where to learn how to make my own, of course. |
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| 22:40.10 | nyty_ | hello |
| 22:40.14 | nyty_ | anybody here please ? |
| 22:40.16 | nyty_ | i have problem |
| 22:40.18 | nyty_ | new nvidia drivers |
| 22:40.19 | themill | anyone come across it, got any tips? Can only get it working with VESA which is dog slow even on a core duo |
| 22:40.22 | nyty_ | and enemy territory :\ |
| 22:40.26 | nyty_ | wrong bad :| |
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| 22:40.31 | nyty_ | it`s cutting |
| 22:40.31 | Xenguy | inFw: apt-spy ? |
| 22:40.40 | Xenguy | inFw: or STFW |
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| 22:40.45 | holden | then anyone know why the etch d-i can't connect to my mirror even though my NIC is working and configured correctly? |
| 22:40.46 | weshouldbegood | Xenguy: http://dark-code.bulix.org/ur62xa-40073 |
| 22:40.49 | inFw | Xenguy, i'm unfamiliar with that. I'll check it out. |
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| 22:40.52 | Xenguy | !enter > nyty_ |
| 22:41.00 | nyty_ | Xenguy: sorry |
| 22:41.03 | turffy | same here I need a sample of a sourcelist |
| 22:41.24 | bloodskin | damnit. i closed the page i was reading a tut from >.< |
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| 22:42.07 | torrr | does anyone use icron? |
| 22:42.07 | xingu | themill: try xserver-xorg-video-nsc |
| 22:42.11 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: I have to go - is your kernel 2.6.18 ? |
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| 22:42.18 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: uname -a |
| 22:42.27 | torrr | (no !anyone please) |
| 22:42.34 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: if so, download those headers and try again... |
| 22:42.43 | weshouldbegood | Linux debian 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:42.44 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: gotta jet, and will come back later |
| 22:42.49 | weshouldbegood | ok thanks! |
| 22:42.56 | Xenguy | weshouldbegood: good luck :-) |
| 22:43.03 | cbeok | themill: thats funny, i'm sitting at a coffee house called The Mill. |
| 22:43.16 | themill | :) |
| 22:43.18 | turffy | inFw: what the link on how to create my own sourcelist? |
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| 22:43.59 | h3sp4wn | torrr: I guess it would have the same issues in debian that I am having with fcron |
| 22:43.59 | themill | cbeok: It originally came from a set of pseudoscience article I wrote under the pseudonym themill.... http://ysa.org.au/themill/ |
| 22:44.15 | h3sp4wn | torrr: namely you cannot sanely get rid of cron |
| 22:44.24 | themill | xingu: thanks... will look. Have been trying "via" driver with no success so far :( |
| 22:44.33 | torrr | fcron? |
| 22:44.48 | h3sp4wn | !info fcron |
| 22:44.50 | xingu | themill: actually I tell a lie |
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| 22:44.51 | dpkg | fcron: (cron-like scheduler with extended capabilities), section admin, is extra. Version: 3.0.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 246 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
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| 22:45.08 | xingu | themill: it's one of these... http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=164 ... but it looks like a patch is needed to that tree |
| 22:45.08 | bloodskin | !download |
| 22:45.08 | dpkg | i guess download is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/dists/slink/main/disks-i386 and you need these in order to install: linux, loadlin.exe, install.bat, resc1440.bin, drv1440.bin, rawrite.exe, root.bin and base2_1.tgz |
| 22:45.25 | Alumin | what can cause a package to be held back other than these two reasons: |
| 22:45.26 | phogg | h3sp4wn: so what breaks without cron? All of the apps that assume cron is the way to schedule jobs? |
| 22:45.26 | h3sp4wn | torrr: It can do everything cron can and some other stuff (like anacron) and more |
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| 22:45.34 | Alumin | 1) a pin in /etc/apt/preferences ... looked in there |
| 22:45.36 | xingu | themill: unless you feel like getting your hands dirty I suspect you're SOL on that hardware - too-new-disease |
| 22:45.57 | cbeok | has anyone successfully build an ifolder server on debian etch? I'm experiencing compilation woes. |
| 22:45.57 | Alumin | 2) failed dependency ... "apt-get -s install <package>" shows only that one package involved |
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| 22:46.02 | torrr | h3sp4wn, icron is alpha based on inotify |
| 22:46.05 | bloodskin | well where the hell do i get the full install iso at...... |
| 22:46.27 | phogg | bloodskin: debian.org will link you to mirrors |
| 22:46.29 | themill | xingu: oh well.. thought that was the case. Not my choice of hardware, unfortunately... it's a temporary replacement as my laptop got stolen yesterday. |
| 22:46.30 | stoned | RvGaTe: xvidcap |
| 22:46.38 | phogg | bloodskin: and, fyi, there are 21 discs, not one. |
| 22:46.45 | stoned | RvGaTe: /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 22:46.58 | stoned | RvGaTe: aptitude install xvidcap |
| 22:47.10 | bloodskin | doesnt matter, i have 30 gb available |
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| 22:47.16 | kramed | I just resized my volumes in my lvm group but when i rebooted 2 of the volumes were dirty. when I fsck it just asks do I want to abort while it goes through the thousands of blocks on the volume. any suggestions? |
| 22:47.17 | Alumin | you only need the first one to install though, right? |
| 22:47.23 | h3sp4wn | phogg: it messed up the /etc/cron.daily and the rest of those - alot of things depend on it explicitly (exim) |
| 22:47.41 | phogg | bloodskin: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ (next time use google) |
| 22:47.48 | h3sp4wn | phogg: If cron is installed then it can run the scripts in the above but its not ideal |
| 22:47.53 | bloodskin | i found it before you said that |
| 22:47.55 | xingu | themill: openchrome.org |
| 22:48.41 | xingu | themill: specifically, from there, to http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~mfgalizi/debian/ |
| 22:48.53 | themill | xingu: that chipset isn't listed there specifically either.... except for vague "working on" comments in svn logs |
| 22:49.18 | themill | xingu: the svn log messages that mention that chipset are after the alst debian packages from that website. :( |
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| 22:49.43 | themill | xingu: actually, the last packages there are over 12 months old ;( |
| 22:49.47 | Alumin | kramed: are you running fsck on the actual filesystem or on one of the individual segments? |
| 22:50.19 | bloodskin | is there a way to define the save directory if i use wget? |
| 22:50.28 | xingu | themill: http://wiki.openchrome.org/pipermail/openchrome-users/2007-March/002902.html |
| 22:50.35 | Alumin | bloodskin: I forget how, but yeah |
| 22:50.46 | xingu | themill: oh well, time to get your hands dirty then. :) |
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| 22:51.16 | bloodskin | would it be wget http://www.url.com /dir/to/save |
| 22:51.17 | bloodskin | ? |
| 22:51.18 | Alumin | kramed: whatever you do, DO NOT run fsck on the individual partitions |
| 22:51.38 | themill | xingu: yep.. looks like it. Need to decide how much I want something better than vesa on this temporary hardware... |
| 22:51.50 | kramed | I ran it on /dev/mapper/lvm-var |
| 22:52.13 | Alumin | bloodskin: one of us is going to have to look that up in the manpage...it might be me, but I wouldn't bet my money on it :) |
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| 22:52.33 | Alumin | kramed: I'm not familiar enough with LVM to know the naming scheme |
| 22:52.35 | valdyn | kramed: you resized volumes without shrinking the filesystems? |
| 22:52.47 | kramed | Alumin, I just got dumped out of the bootup and was told my home and var volumes are unclean and to fix them |
| 22:52.58 | Alumin | but I know the basic principle of LVM...the component partitions do not contain coherent filesystems and therefore will not play well with fsck |
| 22:53.00 | themill | does anyone else find amusement or annoyance from Windoze Live Search boxes coming up on hardware vendor's websites when you're looking for linux drivers? |
| 22:53.01 | kramed | are errors like that normal when adjusting volume sizes? |
| 22:53.02 | bloodskin | screw it, ima take my chances. $50 on Alumin |
| 22:53.16 | valdyn | kramed: did you actually shrink the fs? |
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| 22:54.19 | Alumin | personally, if I were Debian, I'd force people to use BitTorrent |
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| 22:54.29 | kramed | valdyn, I shrunk both home and var |
| 22:54.37 | Alumin | it boggles my mind how much their bandwidth bill must come to |
| 22:54.41 | valdyn | kramed: the FILESYSTEMS? or only the volumes? |
| 22:54.42 | petemc | Alumin: its common for isps to heavily throttle bittorrent |
| 22:55.02 | Alumin | petemc: agree, but if I were Debian I wouldn't care |
| 22:55.05 | h3sp4wn | Alumin: I wouldn't - using bittorrent affects people on the same DSLAM or cable loop to you |
| 22:55.06 | kramed | only the volumes. FS takes up the entire drive minus /boot |
| 22:55.07 | enouf | kramed: valdyn is asking about a tool like resie2fs |
| 22:55.15 | enouf | er resize2fs |
| 22:55.27 | kramed | all i used was vmreduce vmexpand etc |
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| 22:55.35 | valdyn | kramed: that was stupid |
| 22:55.50 | kramed | apparently |
| 22:55.56 | valdyn | kramed: restore the old sizes and you might get your filesystems back. If that doesnt work, restore a backup or reinstall |
| 22:56.03 | phogg | bloodskin: the man page has the answer to your question. Search for 'directory', or like in the DIrectory Options section |
| 22:56.14 | enouf | do you jigdo? ..hrm |
| 22:56.33 | kramed | so can someone point me to the proper procedure of resizing volumes? |
| 22:56.33 | themill | The other strange bit of hardware in this box is a "VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10)". It doesn't seem to give out much power even with all the controls turned up. Is there a magic button somewhere that I've missed? |
| 22:56.34 | Alumin | h3sp4wn: more than having a zillion people download a 700 MB file? :) |
| 22:56.44 | bloodskin | i forget what my question was |
| 22:56.47 | valdyn | kramed: your procedure is fine |
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| 22:56.56 | Alumin | themill: you have to turn it up to 11 |
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| 22:57.12 | valdyn | kramed: its just the shrinking a volume is silly when you dont first shrink the fs |
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| 22:57.32 | valdyn | kramed: a fs can be smaller then the volume containing it, but not vice versa |
| 22:57.35 | phogg | kramed: first, use a fs resize tool to shrink the fs. Reiser3 has one, ext2 I don't think does... After the filesystem is occupying a smaller portion of the volume, shrink the volume to match the new fs size |
| 22:57.54 | h3sp4wn | Alumin: transparant cacheing |
| 22:58.07 | Alumin | hmm |
| 22:58.08 | petemc | resize2fs |
| 22:58.11 | Alumin | you have a point there |
| 22:58.13 | phogg | bloodskin: you were looking for a way to tell wget to download to a different directoru |
| 22:58.16 | themill | Alumin: hmmmm.... |
| 22:58.25 | bloodskin | oh yea |
| 22:58.29 | bloodskin | thanks |
| 22:58.54 | xingu | torrent only pays off for concurrent access; for the normal use-case it's a worse tradeoff |
| 22:58.57 | themill | Alumin: it's just in comparison to my old laptop, the sound levels are down by over 30dB |
| 22:58.58 | Alumin | bloodskin: no more caffeine for you :) |
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| 22:59.13 | bloodskin | yea, thats what we will call it, caffine |
| 22:59.15 | Sivik[1] | can someone help me with understanding how a wpa_supplicant.conf file needs to look |
| 22:59.15 | kramed | valdyn, apparently I misunderstood. I thought a volume was something like an extended partition |
| 22:59.16 | itchi | Hi, when i start mutt, i get /var/mail/david Should i create that dir? |
| 22:59.23 | xingu | if concurrent access were a problem that needed solving, the transport would be multicast aware already |
| 22:59.24 | valdyn | kramed: it IS |
| 22:59.29 | xingu | it ain't, it's not, qed. |
| 22:59.34 | Alumin | itchi: /var/mail/david would be a file |
| 22:59.38 | itchi | arg, missing part in the paste /var/mail/david: No such file or directory (errno = 2) |
| 22:59.41 | valdyn | kramed: shrinking a partition before you shrink the fs on it, is just as wrong |
| 22:59.58 | Alumin | itchi: and you don't need to, it'll get created when your MDA puts mail in it |
| 23:00.00 | phogg | kramed:if you had a 3G partition with a filesystem on it, what would happen if you grabbed fdisk and shrank the partition? Same thing |
| 23:00.04 | bloodskin | does it matter which isos i use if im doing a usb install? dvd or cd? or can i use either one without worry |
| 23:00.10 | Alumin | or you can set $spoolfile to wherever your inbox actually is |
| 23:00.12 | valdyn | kramed: outer container cant be smaller than inner container - obviously |
| 23:00.20 | bloodskin | the guide doesnt say |
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| 23:00.38 | itchi | Alumin: Ok |
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| 23:01.04 | itchi | Alumin: I'm restoring a box who's hdd have die, i need to restore my mail too :-) |
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| 23:01.05 | Alumin | actually it might be a folder |
| 23:01.17 | Alumin | if your MDA delivers to maildir or mh folder |
| 23:01.26 | Alumin | but usually /var/spool/* is mbox-es |
| 23:01.40 | Alumin | either way I'd just let the MDA create the file |
| 23:02.16 | itchi | Alumin: I used Maildir, used fetchmail, procmail and courier |
| 23:02.27 | kramed | I guess I assumed that reducing the volume would do that also. my mistake |
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| 23:02.46 | enouf | itchi: it seems i have /var/mail/username files . i think exim4 creates them |
| 23:02.58 | enouf | er s/it/i/ |
| 23:03.01 | itchi | Alumin: I have resetup the mail server, i have send a test message, and tried mutt to see if it work, but look not yet working :-) |
| 23:03.04 | enouf | bah |
| 23:03.23 | kramed | are there any gui tools to make lvm reducing easier to wrap your head around? |
| 23:03.37 | kramed | I tried qtparted but it doesnt appear to have support |
| 23:03.45 | Alumin | itchi: did the test bounce? |
| 23:03.53 | itchi | Alumin: hhhm, wait |
| 23:04.04 | itchi | Alumin: That was my first mail setup btw :-) |
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| 23:04.17 | itchi | Alumin: The 'dead' one |
| 23:04.18 | Alumin | what MTA are you using? |
| 23:04.23 | itchi | Alumin: exim4 |
| 23:04.32 | Alumin | k |
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| 23:04.38 | Alumin | you have procmail installed, yes? |
| 23:04.42 | itchi | Alumin: Yes |
| 23:04.46 | Alumin | k |
| 23:04.47 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config maybe itchi |
| 23:04.55 | Alumin | anything in /var/log/exim? |
| 23:05.00 | itchi | Alumin: I made some sad notes about my setup haha |
| 23:05.05 | Alumin | perhaps /var/log/mail.log |
| 23:05.16 | enouf | itchi: also note the update-exim* manpages |
| 23:05.46 | itchi | enouf: Thanks ;-) |
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| 23:06.08 | itchi | Alumin: There's only /var/log/exim4/mainlog with some info that it (looks like) it work |
| 23:06.23 | bloodskin | so what are some reasons one would use AMD64 vs i386 |
| 23:06.42 | Alumin | masochism? |
| 23:06.44 | bloodskin | aside from video editing thbat is |
| 23:06.48 | enouf | also noticed there's a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-base tooitchi |
| 23:06.58 | xingu | one might like the concept of a few extra GP registers |
| 23:07.10 | xingu | especially on something as crippled as ia32 |
| 23:07.16 | itchi | Yeah, i think i not yet have setup exim right |
| 23:07.16 | Alumin | bloodskin: you'd use it if the regular Linux i386 driver/codec support wasn't painful enough for you |
| 23:07.24 | peterS | bloodskin: the main reason to use i386 is for random non-free software. a lot of people count adobe's mozilla flash plugin as one of life's necessities |
| 23:07.30 | Alumin | itchi: do you have anything at all in /var/mail? |
| 23:07.33 | stoned | x_link: unfortunately the libs SMC depends on are only in unstable |
| 23:07.38 | stoned | peterS: hi |
| 23:07.42 | peterS | stoned. |
| 23:07.44 | itchi | Alumin: No yet |
| 23:07.53 | Alumin | hmm |
| 23:07.55 | bloodskin | good point peter |
| 23:08.07 | itchi | Alumin: The exim config is wrong here i see |
| 23:08.22 | Alumin | well, that'll be a problem I'd imagine :P |
| 23:08.28 | enouf | is everyone aware of configure-debian -l niceness ;-) |
| 23:08.48 | itchi | enouf: YEAH!, cause you told me about that great feature :-p |
| 23:08.57 | Alumin | wassat? |
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| 23:09.24 | enouf | itchi: that's how i find those odd dr- weirdo, not used so often listings ;-) |
| 23:09.24 | Alumin | ooh bersirc is open source now? |
| 23:09.24 | itchi | Alumin: Install it and try it out ;-) |
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| 23:09.52 | Alumin | nice, now win32 users can have an OSS client that's almost as good as KVirc :) |
| 23:09.53 | enouf | Alumin: or just apt-cache show <pkg> for a description |
| 23:09.58 | RazZ | hi. When in pico, the text gets erased when using the keys to move within the text. Appears nowhere else. Any tip? |
| 23:10.18 | peterS | RazZ: try nano, that's what debian ships as a substitute for pico |
| 23:10.41 | Alumin | enouf: how is that different from "dpkg-reconfigure <package>"? |
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| 23:11.08 | enouf | Alumin: it's not much, but i guess tab completion can save the day there .. |
| 23:11.37 | Alumin | ? |
| 23:11.45 | peterS | the point of configure-debian is to show you in a simple way what packages are likely to have anything useful to dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:11.57 | RazZ | peterS, well, nano+pico-specific problem actually |
| 23:11.59 | Alumin | hmm |
| 23:12.16 | peterS | RazZ: since debian ships nano but not pico, make sure you are actually using nano before you ask about it here (: |
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| 23:12.52 | PingFloyd | or use a decent editor like vim |
| 23:12.54 | RazZ | It does happen in both nano and pico. So... Any thoughts? |
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| 23:13.18 | enouf | Alumin: peterS hrm .. i found more available using tab-completion, but (as for ex; dpkg-reconfigure exim<tab><tab>) shows, daemon-light and doc-info recong, that configure-debian, isn't showing me |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | RazZ: using which terminal emulator ? |
| 23:13.35 | hazeh | just installed debian and cant ssh into it, apt-get install ssh or openssh or what? |
| 23:13.36 | enouf | er s/recong/reconfig |
| 23:13.54 | abrotman | hazeh: openssh-server |
| 23:13.57 | bloodskin | non-free is stuff that does not comply to the gnu liscense correct? |
| 23:13.57 | bloodskin | !non-free |
| 23:13.57 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 23:13.59 | bloodskin | . |
| 23:14.02 | phogg | enouf: using bash_completion? |
| 23:14.10 | RazZ | abrotman, the default i suppose :) Haven't changed any at least... |
| 23:14.22 | h3sp4wn | Looks like it has no zsh completion |
| 23:14.24 | enouf | IOW the only two listed in configure-debian were the ones i said earlier |
| 23:14.26 | enouf | phogg: yes |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | RazZ: xterm? console? kterminal ? |
| 23:14.33 | hazeh | will that stop me from ssh'ing from the machine abrotman? |
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| 23:15.01 | Alumin | hazeh: no |
| 23:15.11 | Alumin | unless you uninstall openssh-client |
| 23:15.27 | themill | hazeh: openssh-client and openssh-server are separate packages |
| 23:15.37 | enouf | h3sp4wn: my su - xterm login isn't doing it, but my sudo depkg-reconfigure exim<tab><tab> is ;-) .. i guess that's from removing the comments at the bottom of ~/.bashrc ;-) |
| 23:15.47 | hazeh | thanks a lot, just wanted to be clear |
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| 23:15.58 | phogg | enouf: should be easy to give configure-debian the same completion as dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:16.35 | itchi | What that 'smarthost'? |
| 23:16.36 | enouf | phogg: right .. but i was talking about it's uniqueness .. so i thought |
| 23:16.43 | h3sp4wn | enouf: I get completion with dpkg-reconfigure (with zsh) but it doesn't know what can be usefully reconfigured like configure-debian |
| 23:17.11 | itchi | A host that may send email? |
| 23:17.15 | enouf | h3sp4wn: that would explain the doc-info ones showing up ;-).. useles yep ;-) |
| 23:17.23 | RazZ | abrotman, using ssh... |
| 23:17.40 | itchi | I think i'm wrong on this option |
| 23:17.45 | enouf | h3sp4wn: so perhaps it is kinda unique after all .. |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | RazZ: what's the ssh client ? |
| 23:18.05 | Alumin | itchi: smarthost would be your ISP SMTP server |
| 23:18.23 | itchi | Alumin: Okay, i was wrong on it |
| 23:18.40 | Alumin | smarthost = "the MTA that we send all mail that doesn't deliver locally, or has its own rule, to |
| 23:18.57 | h3sp4wn | enouf: the zsh guys might impliment it - I could try a wishlist bug (against configure-debian or zsh ?) |
| 23:19.14 | Alumin | smart, as in "smart enough to know what to do with arbitrary messages given to it" |
| 23:19.19 | RazZ | abrotman, putty |
| 23:19.22 | enouf | h3sp4wn: hrm .. not sure .. |
| 23:19.33 | abrotman | RazZ: echo $TERM |
| 23:19.45 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i'd guess zsh, but i could be wrong ..as usual ;-p |
| 23:19.47 | Alumin | should be easy enough to do in zsh |
| 23:19.56 | Alumin | just copy the completer functions from dpkg to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:20.20 | h3sp4wn | It already completes dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:20.29 | h3sp4wn | just not with the extra logic configure-debian has |
| 23:20.32 | RazZ | abrotman, xterm |
| 23:20.35 | stoned | I compiled some packages for unstable, however they of course have dependency conflicts in versions and I can't install on testing/unstable. Some libs that it depends on are in unstable only. I have the source packages compiled as well. How can I successfully backport this to stable? it depends on libcegui >= 5.0 but it is not in anywhere but sid. I can't figure out what to do to make this work on stable/testing |
| 23:20.39 | phogg | h3sp4wn: it would be against configure-debian. ANd an easy add, 'cause you could start by copying dpkg-reconfigure and others |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | RazZ: try another editor if you can |
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| 23:20.58 | enouf | Alumin: it autocompletes, but gives more than only the viable options |
| 23:21.26 | themill | stoned: can you install libcegui from sid without screwing everything else up:? |
| 23:21.44 | stoned | themill: well I can try to backport libcegui 5 for stable |
| 23:21.57 | h3sp4wn | phogg: thanks |
| 23:22.02 | themill | stoned: you can often pick out one package like that without major headaches. apt-get -t unstable install libcegui |
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| 23:22.28 | stoned | themill: but since I built the package in unstable it depends on libc version higher than whats on stable |
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| 23:22.47 | themill | stoned: ahh. that's a pain |
| 23:22.49 | stoned | themill: you think I should get the libs installed in stable first then recompile the packages in stable? |
| 23:22.49 | enouf | hehe .. as a test i did $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light .. and this is result Stopping MTA: exim4. ..that's it .. |
| 23:23.17 | stoned | themill: I have a sid machine, for me its no problem, but I was compiling these packages for x_link and hes kinda noobish and doesn't have sid etc. |
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| 23:23.56 | themill | stoned: if you can cherry pick the one or two libs you need without bringing in new versions of libc.... otherwise it's starting to sound like a full backport |
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| 23:24.04 | stoned | i know |
| 23:24.08 | stoned | grrrr. |
| 23:24.10 | themill | ;( |
| 23:24.23 | stoned | btw a small problem is this that I'm having' |
| 23:24.35 | stoned | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: desktop:0 |
| 23:24.44 | stoned | I login to laptop with ssh -X and start xterm |
| 23:24.47 | stoned | and I get this error |
| 23:25.04 | abrotman | stoned: just put etch in a qemu and make them there .. or just tell x_link how to do it .. |
| 23:25.08 | stoned | I already exported $DISPLAY to desktop:0 which is correct. desktop = 192.168.1.10 |
| 23:25.10 | abrotman | or learn how to do it right :) |
| 23:25.10 | Alumin | stoned: firewall? |
| 23:25.12 | stoned | etc. |
| 23:25.15 | stoned | Alumin: I don't think so |
| 23:25.21 | themill | stoned: bad $DISPLAY |
| 23:25.32 | themill | stoned: 192.168.1.10:10.0 is more likely |
| 23:25.46 | Alumin | themill: the extra .0 isn't necessary |
| 23:26.01 | abrotman | or build them in a chroot ? |
| 23:26.01 | stoned | abrotman: the problem is that the libs it depends on are only in sid |
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| 23:26.01 | stoned | not one but a few |
| 23:26.02 | themill | Alumin: true... old habits.... |
| 23:26.08 | abrotman | stoned: then ti's /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:26.33 | stoned | abrotman: yes I'm aware of this solution |
| 23:26.33 | Alumin | unless of course you really do need to target a particular screen |
| 23:26.33 | abrotman | then why are you asking how to do it? |
| 23:26.33 | stoned | abrotman: currently im trying to solv emy sshx problem |
| 23:26.42 | stoned | abrotman: if you can't be constructive about it then shush |
| 23:26.50 | stoned | themill: let me try to give an ip |
| 23:26.54 | abrotman | stoned: i was .. idiot |
| 23:27.01 | Alumin | ooh fight |
| 23:27.03 | themill | stoned: when you ssh -X in, you shouldn't need to set $DISPLAY |
| 23:27.30 | Alumin | wait, desktop:0? |
| 23:27.37 | phogg | enouf: well copying dpkg-reconfigures bash completion works. |
| 23:27.40 | Alumin | that's not right |
| 23:27.47 | stoned | themill: thats what I was wondering |
| 23:27.50 | phogg | there was some reason why I had completion turned off... |
| 23:27.51 | rpc | i would like to loop mount a file... if i make it 200GB instead of 50GB.. will that matter as for the filesystem performance that i put in there? |
| 23:28.00 | Alumin | if you're ssh-forwarding your X session, the "X server" would be localhost |
| 23:28.03 | stoned | themill: but i figured if is not working let me try to manually set the display |
| 23:28.16 | phogg | it screws up certain path tab completion with wildcards |
| 23:28.22 | Alumin | you sure something in your shell startup isn't overriding $DISPLAY? |
| 23:28.31 | stoned | abrotman: allow me to rephrase.. if you can't help but being a dick about.. then kindly try not to help me. |
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| 23:28.37 | stoned | about it* |
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| 23:28.56 | abrotman | stoned: i was helpful .. and i can't figure out why you're wasting everyone's time with your quewstion if you already know the answer |
| 23:29.06 | themill | stoned: in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config there is X11DisplayOffset with default value of 10 |
| 23:29.11 | stoned | abrotman: let it go... |
| 23:29.18 | abrotman | dick |
| 23:29.18 | Alumin | less jibjab more debugging |
| 23:29.25 | stoned | abrotman: i know you are. |
| 23:29.28 | stoned | themill: yessir |
| 23:29.29 | dvs | jibjab? |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | stoned: nice of you to say .. |
| 23:29.46 | phogg | I know you are but what am I! |
| 23:29.47 | abrotman | not worth it |
| 23:29.58 | Alumin | dvs: oh yeah |
| 23:30.02 | bloodskin | the thing i like the most about debian (not sure if its in other versions of linux) is the workspace switcher |
| 23:30.04 | phogg | Does dpkg have a convenient start-a-third-grade-insult-war command? |
| 23:30.05 | Alumin | B.A. Baracus baby |
| 23:30.08 | dvs | Alumin: the language! ;-) |
| 23:30.09 | abrotman | just another *plonk* |
| 23:30.09 | enouf | phogg: when i do $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure a<tab><tab>, i get many more returns than are avaibale as reconfiguring through dpkg .. or am i misunderstanding you perhap? |
| 23:30.22 | stoned | themill: yes that value is 10 |
| 23:30.29 | Alumin | phogg: I don't think you can make dpkg say "vi sucks", no :P |
| 23:30.33 | stoned | themill: X11 forwarding of course is enabled |
| 23:30.37 | stoned | as well |
| 23:30.43 | dvs | Alumin: I believe the proper term is "jibbajabba" |
| 23:30.44 | Alumin | stoned: change your $DISPLAY to localhost:10 |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | phogg: dpkg has a lot of stuff .. and i'm sure it does :) |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | !insult phogg |
| 23:30.55 | phogg | enouf: hm. Maybe it's completing against the package cache and not installed packages? I do nbot have your problem. |
| 23:30.56 | dpkg | phogg is nothing but a weedy coagulation of tastless toxic waste |
| 23:30.58 | rpc | !dpkg vi |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:31.06 | rpc | !vi |
| 23:31.06 | dpkg | from memory, vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 23:31.08 | themill | when I change the ssh server's key, my clients complain that the key has changed and won't connect. How do I delete the offending key from encoded known_hosts format? |
| 23:31.09 | phogg | abrotman: but them's high brow insults. |
| 23:31.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:31.18 | enouf | ahhh the game's on WOR 9 tonight, not Yes .. though it got rained out ;-) |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | themill: man ssh .. it's in there |
| 23:31.34 | enouf | phogg: perhaps .. no biggy |
| 23:31.39 | abrotman | enouf: i got nothing! |
| 23:31.40 | phogg | Alumin: you can if you do an editor war enough times |
| 23:31.49 | rpc | !loop |
| 23:31.49 | dpkg | loops are BAD! |
| 23:31.49 | enouf | abrotman: why not!? |
| 23:31.54 | phogg | !goto |
| 23:31.54 | dpkg | [goto] considered harmful |
| 23:31.55 | rpc | crap. |
| 23:32.01 | Alumin | dvs: you may have a point there |
| 23:32.04 | abrotman | enouf: i don't live there .. no NESN or WOR |
| 23:32.07 | minus | Whats the best CD burner for linux? |
| 23:32.08 | rpc | are loops really bad? |
| 23:32.16 | themill | abrotman: lots of things are in man ssh.... ppl go in and are never seen again. almost as bad as man bash |
| 23:32.52 | dvs | minus: one that works? |
| 23:32.53 | abrotman | minus: what's your desktop ? |
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| 23:32.53 | stoned | themill: same error |
| 23:32.53 | enouf | abrotman: oh .. you can't get the signal .. heh .. radio? internet? |
| 23:32.53 | phogg | minus: hadware? Any will do. Software? There is only cdrecord! |
| 23:32.53 | minus | abrotman, XFCE |
| 23:32.53 | Alumin | rpc: that factoid isn't talking about that kind of loop |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | themill: it's not as bad as man bash :) |
| 23:32.54 | dvs | minus: Seriously, you'd have to look good and hard to find one that doesn't work. |
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| 23:32.54 | rpc | Alumin oh |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | minus: try gnomebaker |
| 23:32.54 | abrotman | or graveman |
| 23:32.55 | minus | abrotman, ok.. i'll try that.. |
| 23:32.57 | polishkoop | !java one-liner |
| 23:32.58 | Alumin | minus: they'll flame me for this, but K3b |
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| 23:33.13 | abrotman | Alumin: i'd have told him that if he were running kde |
| 23:33.14 | dvs | abrotman: They took it out? |
| 23:33.15 | itchi | Alumin: Mail looks to work again :-) But not on the 'mail server'. But my client get his mail of imap |
| 23:33.18 | rpc | Alumin and would you know if loop mounting 100-200GB file is a good idea? or should i keep it 50GB or something? |
| 23:33.18 | minus | Alumin, i'll try that too :) |
| 23:33.19 | abrotman | dvs: it wasn't in sarge |
| 23:33.23 | h3sp4wn | themill: man xterm is worse (I still don't understand the translations part of it not thru lack of trying :/) |
| 23:33.24 | phogg | abrotman: everyone knows xcdroast is the best |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | !info eroaster etch |
| 23:33.25 | enouf | abrotman: I think WADE boggs is the starting pitcher for Boston tomorrow .. ;-P |
| 23:33.31 | dvs | abrotman: is it in etch? |
| 23:33.31 | Alumin | rpc: I don't know |
| 23:33.37 | abrotman | dvs: we'll see :) |
| 23:33.39 | rpc | fair |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | enouf: eh .. maybe |
| 23:33.51 | dvs | phogg: xcdroast? You've got to be kidding. |
| 23:33.59 | phogg | dvs: in fact, I am kidding. |
| 23:34.02 | Alumin | themill: man zshall is the worst |
| 23:34.04 | dvs | phew! |
| 23:34.07 | itchi | Alumin: Just outside mail not yet work, but that's a detail |
| 23:34.19 | Alumin | define "outside mail" |
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| 23:34.33 | phogg | dvs: it's the only gui burner that's harder to use than mkisofs and cdrecord by hand |
| 23:34.42 | Alumin | lol |
| 23:34.45 | dvs | hah |
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| 23:34.48 | Alumin | YOU HAVE FAILED |
| 23:34.51 | zeldafan500 | http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/375797 plz? |
| 23:35.01 | Alumin | if your gui tool is harder than the cli tool it's a frontend for |
| 23:35.12 | themill | abrotman: close though... are you just suggesting to turn off StrictHostChecking? Not seeing a way of working out which line is the problem or updating it |
| 23:35.13 | dvs | zeldafan500: What? Another Lemon Demon song/ |
| 23:35.13 | abrotman | zeldafan500: go away |
| 23:35.22 | zeldafan500 | :( |
| 23:35.33 | h3sp4wn | Alumin: that makes all gui filemanagers failures (I guess I agree) |
| 23:35.34 | phogg | zeldafan500: this is not that kind of channel |
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| 23:35.57 | themill | stoned: try exprot DISPLAY=:10 |
| 23:36.02 | themill | s/exprot/export |
| 23:36.06 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 23:36.11 | Alumin | themill: I think you might be out of luck...I say that because the whole point of hashing the hostnames is to make them irrecoverable |
| 23:36.23 | minus | abrotman, is there any way to change the size on the icons in in gnomebaker o_O They are like huge! |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | minus: uhm .. i've never had a problem |
| 23:36.34 | Alumin | although as a workaround I guess you could run with an edited known_hosts...remove one per run until the error disappears :) |
| 23:36.38 | nslater | X is causing a kernel panic and I can't get a shell. I have put in a netinst CD and X is still causing a kernel panic. I have managed to get a console. How do I access the actual hard drives to mount and remove GDM from the init scripts? |
| 23:36.45 | themill | abrotman: damn.... turned off join/part notifications cos I was drowning in them. |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | damn it .. i could have sworn i saw it |
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| 23:37.36 | themill | Alumin: yeah.... I know that's the point. But the reality is that keys have to change (expire, broken, compromised, lost, new hardware with old IP etc) so surely there's a way of updating the db |
| 23:37.45 | enouf | nxlboot into single mode |
| 23:37.48 | phogg | minus: you obviously are a leet hacker. Don't you know that big icons are good UI? They make grandma feel at home. It's user friendly this way! Why would you want it any other way? |
| 23:37.55 | enouf | nslater: into single mode |
| 23:38.11 | abrotman | themill: i'm lazy .. usually just find the line and delete it |
| 23:38.13 | nslater | enouf, how do I do that? |
| 23:38.17 | nslater | I am using a PowerPc |
| 23:38.18 | Alumin | themill: I suppose the theoretical "algorithmically-safe" way to do it would be to keep a copy of the old key to compare |
| 23:38.34 | themill | abrotman: was going to but the entries are encoded.... makes finding the line a bit harder |
| 23:38.39 | enouf | nslater: choose the option in grub, or just type single on the command line |
| 23:38.42 | itchi | So mail is not stored in that /var/bla but in the ~/Maildir?? But heh, how come it that over imap i get my mail? Read he the stuff ~/Maildir of the mailserver? |
| 23:38.43 | phogg | minus: gnome+options throws an incompatable object type exception, you see |
| 23:38.50 | minus | phogg, ehm? Minimalistic stuff ftw! |
| 23:38.53 | nslater | enouf, I am using yaboot |
| 23:38.57 | themill | Alumin: the old hardware was stolen yesterday so that's a bit hard... |
| 23:39.05 | enouf | nslater: the kernel params should still work |
| 23:39.07 | Alumin | hmm |
| 23:39.09 | Alumin | how about |
| 23:39.15 | nslater | enouf, thanks |
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| 23:39.18 | enouf | nslater: though i don't know annything about yaboot |
| 23:39.18 | Alumin | move known_hosts |
| 23:39.27 | Alumin | ssh to host, accept new key |
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| 23:39.37 | Alumin | get hash value, look for hash value in old known_hosts? |
| 23:39.49 | themill | Alumin: nice idea... I can see where you're going,,,, might have a backup of /etc somewhere..... hmmm |
| 23:39.49 | stoned | ok |
| 23:39.54 | itchi | That's hard mail heh wtf |
| 23:39.55 | enouf | nslater: see the ig .. it might be "linux single" |
| 23:40.03 | Alumin | no need for /etc |
| 23:40.04 | stoned | I login through ssh -X to laptop, and start xterm, and I get this. xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
| 23:40.12 | enouf | !tell nslater -about ig |
| 23:40.17 | Alumin | or are we talking about /etc/ssh/known_hosts |
| 23:40.29 | itchi | Mail looks sooo simple, but heh, that's complex |
| 23:40.34 | themill | Alumin: $HOME/.ssh/ |
| 23:40.41 | Alumin | stoned: make sure AllowX11Forwarding is set in the server's sshd_config |
| 23:41.02 | phogg | stoned: and I assume that there really is an X on the client? |
| 23:41.03 | themill | stoned: you can disable X11Forwarding so that even with -X it's turned off |
| 23:41.07 | enouf | itchi: now you know why, i don't do emaiul ;-0 |
| 23:41.10 | Alumin | themill: yeah, just move ~/.ssh/known_hosts out of the way |
| 23:41.17 | enouf | erm s/email/e-m-a-u-l |
| 23:41.19 | itchi | enouf: Yeah :-p |
| 23:41.38 | Alumin | oh |
| 23:41.41 | Alumin | dude |
| 23:41.42 | stoned | yeh |
| 23:41.44 | stoned | oops |
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| 23:41.50 | helo | having some trouble getting sound to work in flashplayer |
| 23:41.52 | Alumin | themill: ssh-keygen -R <host> |
| 23:41.54 | stoned | I forgot to install xbase-clients on the laptop :( |
| 23:41.54 | helo | it works in amaork great |
| 23:41.55 | stoned | tee hehe |
| 23:41.59 | helo | my audio device isn't the main one, is the problem |
| 23:42.01 | stoned | fixed :) |
| 23:42.03 | helo | it needs to use alsa device 1 |
| 23:42.04 | helo | but it isn't |
| 23:42.14 | helo | apparently it doesn't pay attention to .asoundrc |
| 23:42.18 | abrotman | !beer Alumin |
| 23:42.20 | stoned | themill: Alumin: phogg: I had forgot to install xbase-clients and i just remembered |
| 23:42.24 | stoned | its fixed now |
| 23:42.26 | itchi | Just that my local domain name is not translated it looks, i'm just not able to send outside right now. But i get of outside, so i'm near solved |
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| 23:42.28 | helo | !beer |
| 23:42.28 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 23:42.30 | stoned | thank for your help |
| 23:42.33 | themill | stoned :) |
| 23:42.39 | themill | np |
| 23:42.45 | torrr | is there a sound control for esd? |
| 23:42.51 | stoned | its been almost 2 months that I've used debian and pot has done a number on my memory |
| 23:43.03 | dvs | hence the name |
| 23:43.07 | stoned | indeed |
| 23:43.22 | Alumin | dpkg: do you have cider? |
| 23:43.22 | enouf | torrr: kill that thang ;-P |
| 23:43.39 | themill | Alumin: the hash doesn't match up with anything in the existing known_hosts.... |
| 23:43.40 | Alumin | there's an off-color joke in there somewhere, I'm sure |
| 23:43.55 | Alumin | interesting |
| 23:44.00 | Alumin | probably a different salt or something |
| 23:44.03 | Alumin | due to the reinstall |
| 23:44.26 | themill | Alumin: yeah... could just kill the file and collect new keys as I go |
| 23:44.28 | themill | :( |
| 23:44.36 | abrotman | themill: -R takes a hostname |
| 23:44.57 | Alumin | yeah you don't put the hashed value |
| 23:44.59 | itchi | So mail is been put in ~/Maildir? Right? Cause i not have 'the' last backup now, cause i got some fresh one's now |
| 23:45.00 | karsten | Is there a good multi-host monitoring tool that does graphics and (maybe) text, _not_ in a browser? Possibly gkrellm or similar but I'm thinking more a wrapper around xload or nagios type stuff. |
| 23:45.02 | Alumin | the cleartext hostname |
| 23:45.21 | itchi | I need to pay attention to not screw thing up heh |
| 23:45.32 | stoned | abrotman: my laptop runs sid. I ran the SMC game over sshx and the packages work, thank god. Now what I am thinking is that I should backport the required libs to stable, and then recompile the packages in stable. That was what you were talking about right? |
| 23:45.35 | Alumin | itchi: depends on MTA/MDA configuration |
| 23:45.35 | cafuego | karsten: pcp? |
| 23:45.44 | Alumin | itchi: check /etc/procmailrc |
| 23:45.47 | Alumin | that may have some info |
| 23:45.57 | itchi | Alumin: i have a ~/procmailrc |
| 23:45.59 | Alumin | exim probably hands off to procmial |
| 23:46.01 | stoned | abrotman: recompile the smc packages in stable I mean |
| 23:46.02 | karsten | cafuego: ?? |
| 23:46.06 | tarzeau | wols: still there? http://download.zattoo.com/zattoo_player-2.2.8.5173-i386.deb |
| 23:46.08 | Alumin | then look there too |
| 23:46.08 | stoned | abrotman: after backporting the libs |
| 23:46.09 | karsten | cafuego: Nothing at p.d.o |
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| 23:46.09 | themill | abrotman: ssh -R? for port forwarding? |
| 23:46.17 | abrotman | ssh-keygen |
| 23:46.17 | cafuego | karsten: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/pcp/ |
| 23:46.32 | cafuego | karsten: There is a tiny chance that perhaps it would be overkill |
| 23:46.41 | itchi | Alumin: /etc/procmailr does not exist |
| 23:46.47 | themill | abrotman: excellent.... :) |
| 23:46.50 | karsten | cafuego: Interesting. |
| 23:47.02 | enouf | karsten: i don;t know if it works not in a briowser .. seen etherape? |
| 23:47.07 | Alumin | ah, well that's easy then |
| 23:47.38 | Alumin | abrotman: yeah, good idea on the ssh-keygen -R thing |
| 23:47.40 | Alumin | :)) |
| 23:47.43 | enouf | karsten: http://etherape.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:47.49 | abrotman | Alumin: i gave you beer!! |
| 23:47.56 | Alumin | lol |
| 23:47.57 | karsten | enouf: Yeah, already there. |
| 23:48.13 | karsten | Thanks. Semi-idle curiosity ATM, but it's a real need. |
| 23:48.31 | stoned | abrotman: is that what you were talking about? |
| 23:48.41 | abrotman | because browsers are hard! |
| 23:48.54 | themill | abrotman: thanks.... fixed now |
| 23:49.05 | themill | !abrotman++ |
| 23:49.05 | abrotman | themill: thank Alumin |
| 23:49.21 | themill | Alumin: yep thanks too! |
| 23:49.43 | Alumin | abrotman: it's cool, I don't actually care, I just thought it was funny |
| 23:49.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:49.51 | stoned | I see |
| 23:50.00 | Alumin | nobody listens to me, FINE |
| 23:50.01 | stoned | we're playing the silent treatment game then are we. how mature. |
| 23:50.16 | tarzeau | anyone wants to try zattoo on linux? |
| 23:50.28 | abrotman | Alumin: i have the same problem |
| 23:50.37 | Alumin | stoned: can you guys just kiss and make up? |
| 23:50.55 | stoned | Alumin: its quite obvious. Small package in real life == huge dick on irc. |
| 23:50.58 | stoned | I understand. :) |
| 23:51.05 | karsten | Alumin: What were you saying? |
| 23:51.07 | Alumin | that's not what I had in mind |
| 23:51.54 | Alumin | karsten: it's not important...just themill totally snubbed me |
| 23:51.58 | Alumin | oh he LEFT |
| 23:52.06 | Alumin | you people are no fun |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | Alumin: no need to makeup .. i can't see a damn thing the moron says |
| 23:52.49 | Alumin | ok I'm leaving in a huff now, please paint your own mental images (that and I'm an hour still at work...not cool :p) |
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| 23:52.59 | stoned | yeh, I'm a moron becuase he acts like a cunt |
| 23:53.02 | stoned | wow. |
| 23:53.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:53.08 | Alumin | itchi: good luck with exim, I'll be back tomorrow if you're still having trouble |
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| 23:55.22 | karsten | Alumin: Degrees per Fortnight instead? |
| 23:55.52 | itchi | Alumin: Thanks :-) |
| 23:55.58 | itchi | Alumin: Sleep very well ;-) |
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| 23:57.59 | maximi89 | Hi, who know about PLC for Linuxz |
| 23:58.00 | maximi89 | ? |
| 23:59.06 | stew | no? |
| 23:59.16 | karsten | 1 RPM == 10800 Degrees Every Bell |
| 23:59.21 | stoned | stew hi |
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| 23:59.27 | karsten | $ units 1rpm degrees/bell |
| 23:59.31 | stew | stoned: happy friday |
| 23:59.32 | karsten | See for yourself ;-) |
| 23:59.33 | stoned | stew: I highlighted you with some questions regarding SMC |
| 23:59.37 | stoned | stew: you too buddy |
| 23:59.47 | abrotman | karsten: i think your math is off |
| 23:59.47 | stoned | stew: could you kindly advise furthur |
