| 00:00.13 | Stephaknee | wtf is a degree every bell? |
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| 00:00.13 | karsten | abrotman: 1 bell == 30 minutes (1/8 watch, watch = 4 hrs.). |
| 00:00.15 | karsten | Stephaknee: a DEB. |
| 00:00.23 | karsten | Stephaknee: Where RPM == revolutions per minute. |
| 00:00.33 | abrotman | karsten: you can't do that! |
| 00:00.46 | karsten | abrotman: I just did. |
| 00:00.47 | Stephaknee | karsten: i was hoping thats the kind of rpm you meant |
| 00:00.48 | itchi | What's the best (in stability) as mailserver setup? I used exim, fetchmail procmail, courier |
| 00:00.54 | karsten | abrotman: So come over and stop me, big boy. |
| 00:01.03 | abrotman | itchi: that seems reasonable .. are you having problems ? |
| 00:01.11 | abrotman | karsten: do you have beer? :) |
| 00:01.21 | karsten | abrotman: Plenty! |
| 00:01.24 | itchi | abrotman: No, i'm re setup my mailserver, and btw asking if it's good heh :-) |
| 00:01.26 | tech13 | is there a way to get "multimedia" keys to work even when x is screen locked? |
| 00:01.39 | karsten | tech13: WTF is a multimedia key? |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | itchi: i prefer postfix .. but your setup seems fine |
| 00:02.00 | abrotman | karsten: the goofy buttons on the keyboard! |
| 00:02.06 | tech13 | karsten, like the vol up/down, mute |
| 00:02.21 | karsten | tech13: Seems to me there's a really simple way to find out. |
| 00:02.27 | karsten | tech13: Try it and see. |
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| 00:02.39 | karsten | tech13: Probably depends on the system as well. |
| 00:02.40 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, it have always worked fine here |
| 00:02.53 | itchi | Just that f* cr*p hdd that have die heh |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:03.29 | karsten | tech13: They do on my Thinkpad T30. |
| 00:03.52 | rpc | abrotman i never knew that volume up/down keys on my T40 are err goofy |
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| 00:03.56 | abrotman | karsten: i think that's a bios funcntion though |
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| 00:04.17 | abrotman | rpc: do you use them? |
| 00:04.17 | tech13 | karsten, the work as long as my screen saver is off, when the screen saver turns on, they stop working till I type my password. |
| 00:04.25 | rpc | abrotman every hour or so |
| 00:04.40 | rpc | abrotman vol up/down and mute - very useful |
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| 00:04.51 | abrotman | rpc: mine are just up all the way .. and that's how they've been since i got it .. i use the software volume in the mixer |
| 00:05.03 | karsten | tech13: Then the answer would be "no" in your case. |
| 00:05.09 | rpc | abrotman no way.. touching the key is just better and faster |
| 00:05.11 | karsten | tech13: Any other questions? |
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| 00:05.24 | abrotman | rpc: not granular enough for me |
| 00:05.42 | tech13 | karsten, so what setting should I look at to try to change it so it does work? |
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| 00:06.01 | rpc | right, back to my loops then.. |
| 00:06.29 | karsten | tech13: What's your kit? |
| 00:06.50 | tech13 | karsten, using KDE on an HP desktop |
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| 00:07.12 | karsten | tech13: multimedia keys on a keyboard? |
| 00:07.45 | enouf | tech13: why not turn off the screensaver? .. which is what's locking your session .. is it necessary for you to passwd protect it? |
| 00:07.48 | karsten | tech13: As opposed to say a laptop? Likely not. You wouldn't want random keyboard input allowed while a screen/console si locked. |
| 00:08.06 | karsten | tech13: Alternatively, what do you want to be able to do? |
| 00:08.26 | maximi89 | PLC for Linnux?? |
| 00:08.29 | karsten | tech13: ssh into the host and run aumix/alsamixer remotely. |
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| 00:08.39 | karsten | !tell maximi89 about search |
| 00:08.40 | drwahl | does any one have any suggestions for a good pogram for peer to peer file sharing? |
| 00:08.43 | enouf | rpc: ever find losetup yet? |
| 00:08.49 | karsten | drwahl: scp |
| 00:08.50 | abrotman | drwahl: gtk-gnutella is one |
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| 00:09.06 | drwahl | thank you |
| 00:09.11 | maximi89 | karsten, i don't find, i try that |
| 00:09.53 | torrr | enouf, ? |
| 00:10.11 | enouf | rpc: a few interesting articles about using loop 1 . http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
| 00:10.16 | rpc | enouf will it halt my box? :) |
| 00:10.18 | karsten | maximi89: What is PLC? |
| 00:10.30 | maximi89 | Programmable Logical Control |
| 00:10.39 | rpc | enouf and sorry, was really joking now ;) |
| 00:10.45 | soundmaestro | yeah what it is ? |
| 00:10.45 | enouf | 2. http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html (poor guy needs to change right to write) |
| 00:10.59 | karsten | maximi89: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1339 |
| 00:11.04 | rpc | enouf thank you very much - i will do the reading |
| 00:11.12 | maximi89 | karsten, is a simulator? |
| 00:11.17 | enouf | rpc: 3 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/msg/178478081da39a0d?dmode=source |
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| 00:11.27 | enouf | rpc: ok .. run along now ;-) |
| 00:11.33 | karsten | maximi89: I'd suggest you read the article. It's quite old (1997). |
| 00:11.40 | maximi89 | okas |
| 00:11.45 | rpc | enouf it's hard :) this place is really addictive |
| 00:11.47 | enouf | torrr: i despise arts and esd daemons .. |
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| 00:12.05 | rpc | enouf learning 24/7 here |
| 00:12.13 | enouf | torrr: they get in the way, and lock your sound devices .. |
| 00:12.48 | enouf | rpc: think of it like an onion, only you cry more at the outer layers ;-) |
| 00:12.48 | nvz | rpc: gotta be careful assuming that |
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| 00:13.02 | h3sp4wn | I also feel the same about dmix (I want to listen to one thing at a time without it being resampled ) |
| 00:13.03 | nvz | rpc: you could wind up learning more than you bargain for |
| 00:13.04 | rpc | enouf rofl nice one |
| 00:13.17 | rpc | nvz yes i know |
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| 00:13.33 | torrr | enouf, I use NX so there is no sound device |
| 00:13.48 | enouf | torrr: ok .. nm then |
| 00:13.51 | torrr | enouf, what there is is gstreamer |
| 00:14.12 | enouf | torrr: never used nx/feenx/no machine |
| 00:14.16 | enouf | er freenx |
| 00:14.27 | torrr | I use freenx, it is great:) |
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| 00:15.24 | Newbie_ | bonjour |
| 00:15.26 | Newbie_ | hello |
| 00:16.36 | Newbie_ | Is There Anybody Out There? (pink floyd) :p |
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| 00:17.03 | Newbie_ | does someone can respond a little question here ? :p |
| 00:17.11 | dondelelcaro | !ask |
| 00:17.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 00:18.52 | Thms | is there a 2.6.20/21 package for compiling my own debian kernel or I need to use vanilla sources ? |
| 00:19.09 | Newbie_ | ... hm my question is about the number of packages to update since 2 or 3 weeks ... why are they more and more and more and more ... since 2 or 3 weeks (excuse me for my poor english) ;p |
| 00:19.14 | albino | can someone point me to a link for a net isntall cd for sarge, not etch |
| 00:19.18 | abrotman | Thms: in unstable |
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| 00:19.41 | Thms | abrotman: how can I get it and compile it mysel choosing options myself ? |
| 00:19.44 | Newbie_ | install debian and not ubuntu albino ;p |
| 00:19.46 | karsten | albino: Oldstable? |
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| 00:19.57 | abrotman | Thms: get the source package |
| 00:20.02 | albino | karsten: yes |
| 00:20.05 | karsten | Newbie_: Sarge == Debian not ubuntu. |
| 00:20.05 | Thms | abrotman: how to do ? |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | wget ? |
| 00:20.12 | karsten | albino: That was a possible answer. |
| 00:20.17 | albino | Newbie_: this is #debian, not #ubuntu, try to give advice in the right direction |
| 00:20.23 | Thms | abrotman: at kernel.org ? |
| 00:20.31 | Newbie_ | hmmm ... I tought "etch" is only ubuntu ;) |
| 00:20.45 | karsten | Newbie_: Nope. |
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| 00:20.54 | Newbie_ | I see :) |
| 00:20.55 | Dave2 | Edgy is Ubuntu, Etch is Debian. |
| 00:20.58 | karsten | Newbie_: Edgy Eft. Not Etch. |
| 00:20.59 | Dave2 | Somewhat confusing. |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | Thms: packages.debian.org |
| 00:21.01 | eleckttruss | Newbie_, what??? |
| 00:21.03 | Newbie_ | han .. right |
| 00:21.10 | Thms | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:21.13 | karsten | albino: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 00:21.29 | karsten | albino: And: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/ |
| 00:21.33 | karsten | albino: ... should get you started. |
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| 00:21.47 | azeem | karsten: albino set Newbie_ straight |
| 00:21.50 | Newbie_ | did a ig update happend since few weeks ? |
| 00:21.53 | Newbie_ | big* |
| 00:21.59 | karsten | azeem: I noticed. |
| 00:22.02 | azeem | ok. |
| 00:22.13 | karsten | azeem: In Linux, how do you make the arp table static? |
| 00:22.19 | azeem | karsten: dunno |
| 00:22.28 | karsten | azeem: Rub it briskly with nylon. |
| 00:22.40 | azeem | I don't run Linux anyway |
| 00:22.51 | karsten | azeem: You run, lemmee guess ... |
| 00:22.53 | karsten | GNU/Linux? |
| 00:23.04 | albino | karsten: thanks |
| 00:23.04 | azeem | karsten: and GNU/Hurd, but that doesn't know about arp |
| 00:23.21 | karsten | azeem: No kidding? How is it? |
| 00:23.33 | azeem | not knowing about arp? |
| 00:23.36 | azeem | rather bleak |
| 00:23.44 | karsten | azeem: technically, the arp table *is* a Linux (kernel) feature. |
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| 00:23.52 | karsten | azeem: Well, GNU/Hurd, in general. |
| 00:23.59 | Newbie_ | noone can respond to me ? how can i find the information ? why there is so many packages to update since 3 weeks for my debian ? :( |
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| 00:24.12 | Thms | abrotman: I download kbuild too ? |
| 00:24.13 | azeem | Newbie_: because Debian updated? |
| 00:24.25 | azeem | Newbie_: do you have "stable" in your sources.list? |
| 00:24.27 | karsten | Newbie_: Debian is like a cup of Dannon yoghurt. |
| 00:24.42 | karsten | Newbie_: It's an active living culture. If you want stable, install (and stick to) stable. |
| 00:24.50 | azeem | karsten: pretty similar to GNU/Linux, if you don't pay attention |
| 00:24.50 | Newbie_ | yes ... about 30 packages all days .. and many not updated .. but I don't know why ... the only thing I do |
| 00:25.06 | karsten | azeem: performance and stability? |
| 00:25.11 | Newbie_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... it works good since one year .. but now |
| 00:25.17 | azeem | karsten: well, don't pay attention to those |
| 00:25.21 | Newbie_ | no ... unstable ;p |
| 00:25.25 | azeem | Newbie_: eh |
| 00:25.38 | azeem | Newbie_: "Newbie" and "unstable" are oxymorons |
| 00:25.49 | Newbie_ | yeah i know for the active .. but I just wanted to know if there was a big update .. or how can I ... |
| 00:25.54 | azeem | or rather anti-oxymorons, whatever |
| 00:26.03 | amphi | or a recipe... |
| 00:26.11 | Newbie_ | find the packages that don't allow the update of some packages ? :| |
| 00:26.14 | azeem | Newbie_: after the recent release of Debian, unstable became a lot more unstable again |
| 00:26.18 | karsten | azeem: ... or newbies on unstable are ... nevermind. |
| 00:26.37 | Newbie_ | héhéhé ;) I note for later cryin' ;p |
| 00:26.39 | azeem | Newbie_: if you don't know how to figure that out, you shouldn't be running unstable, methinks |
| 00:26.41 | karsten | Newbie_: If you have to graduate from stable, I'd recommend testing over raw unstable. |
| 00:27.20 | Newbie_ | well .. perhado yougot the answer (or a begining) to my question ? ;p |
| 00:27.40 | Newbie_ | perhaps but ... have you got ...* |
| 00:27.43 | PingFloyd | Newbie_: if you're running unstable, expect for there to be issues (especially with dependencies) to need to work around and/or tweak on your side. |
| 00:27.59 | asciichar | Hello. Does anyone have any experience with Rocketraid cards on Debian? I have the card working, but having some trouble with the WebGui |
| 00:28.09 | Newbie_ | what does it means 'tweak on your side" ? :p |
| 00:28.26 | PingFloyd | Newbie_: sometimes you'll run into situations where you'll need to intervene |
| 00:28.39 | Newbie_ | suyre |
| 00:28.42 | Newbie_ | -y |
| 00:29.07 | Newbie_ | e is laughin' at me ;p |
| 00:29.12 | Newbie_ | eleckttruss: |
| 00:29.14 | Newbie_ | ;p |
| 00:29.44 | phogg | eleckttruss: if you can fix it you're welcome to love it. |
| 00:30.26 | phogg | Newbie_: until etch was released even unstable was pretty stable so you could get away with using it, even though it's dangerous. Now you know better. Back off to testing. |
| 00:31.06 | PingFloyd | or brave it out and just realize it will sometimes be a bit rough |
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| 00:31.16 | Newbie_ | that was not really my question .... |
| 00:31.18 | Newbie_ | hu? |
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| 00:32.03 | azeem | Newbie_: you're not guaranteed to get unstable questions answered here, sorry |
| 00:32.15 | Newbie_ | hmmmm okey okey ;) |
| 00:32.34 | Newbie_ | sorry for desagrement .. have a nice night :p ;) bye bye |
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| 00:48.49 | GuHHH | is any way to install beryl on debian etch? |
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| 00:49.49 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 00:49.49 | dpkg | somebody said beryl was probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 00:53.08 | setuid | Anyone know how to get a hand-built kernel to boot on Debian? |
| 00:53.08 | setuid | I used /proc/config to build it, and I made the initrd, but it refuses to boot... using the same options of the kernel that DOES boot, from the distro. |
| 00:53.08 | bokey | does anyone know if debian list uses mailman. I believe they do. |
| 00:53.08 | bokey | ? |
| 00:53.09 | setuid | bokey, I'm sure they do, just hit the subscribe interface and look |
| 00:53.14 | bokey | setuid, yup. cool |
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| 00:53.41 | abrotman | bokey: i think they say at the bottom of the page |
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| 00:54.24 | bokey | abrotman, no. |
| 00:54.31 | bokey | abrotman, i think they use majordomo |
| 00:54.45 | abrotman | wouldn't surprise me |
| 00:55.43 | bokey | abrotman, majordomo is propreitery according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majordomo_%28software%29 |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | bokey: email the list admins |
| 00:58.54 | setuid | bokey, Why do you need to know what they run? |
| 00:59.16 | bokey | setuid, for research |
| 00:59.42 | dondelelcaro | no, the debian lists do not use majordomo, nor do they use mailman. |
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| 01:00.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: custom? |
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| 01:01.18 | bokey | dondelelcaro, is it similar to what perl.org uses ? |
| 01:01.18 | concept10 | 78regal |
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| 01:01.55 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, I just can't remember right now what it was. I want to say eoc, but that could just be part of it. |
| 01:02.08 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:02.11 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control <-- line 10 question about specifying depends. How exactly do I specify the depends here? is it as simple as just the package names as listed by apt? |
| 01:02.30 | dondelelcaro | stoned: separated by commas, yes |
| 01:02.35 | stoned | thank you |
| 01:02.52 | setuid | "All original Debian mailing lists are run on a special server, using an automatic mail processing software called SmartList. This server is called lists.debian.org. All submission, subscription and unsubscription messages have to be sent to a particular address at this host." |
| 01:02.58 | dondelelcaro | stoned: apt-cache show foopkg; will give you an idea of how more complex dependency relationships can be defined |
| 01:03.14 | dondelelcaro | ah, right. smartlist |
| 01:03.17 | setuid | bokey, http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ |
| 01:03.44 | stoned | dondelelcaro: ok thanks reading now |
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| 01:05.16 | bokey | setuid, ahh.. SmartList |
| 01:05.19 | bokey | setuid, :) |
| 01:06.49 | GuHHH | how do i install xorg 7.2? |
| 01:06.51 | GuHHH | !xorg |
| 01:06.51 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | !info xorg-xserver sid |
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| 01:07.49 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg sid |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:07.57 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-18 (sid), Packaged size: 450 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
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| 01:11.43 | dave_is_sexy | oh thank goodness for that. I finally have internet in debain |
| 01:11.50 | tarzeau | !debain |
| 01:11.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 01:11.57 | stoned | heh |
| 01:11.58 | cafuego | Rite |
| 01:12.15 | stoned | tarzeau: when will you be back from where you're going? |
| 01:12.17 | GuHHH | ive installed fglrx but it doesnt seems to load the module... modprobe fglrx says: FATAL: Module fglrx not found. can anyone help? |
| 01:12.21 | tarzeau | stoned: monday |
| 01:12.35 | stoned | tarzeau: ok cool see you then. have fun |
| 01:12.39 | tarzeau | GuHHH: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver maybe? |
| 01:12.44 | tarzeau | stoned: thanks, sleep well |
| 01:12.49 | dave_is_sexy | can anyone tell me how to add the online debian repositories. particualrly the etch non-free. it sounds like i could find it on google in a second, but just try it. impossible |
| 01:13.00 | pipeline | dave_is_sexy: apt-setup |
| 01:13.12 | setuid | GuHHH, Use radeon, its faster, supports composite + DRI (needed for Beryl/Compiz), and works with suspend. |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 01:13.39 | pipeline | setuid: err, many chips aren't stable under radeon. And fglrx works just fine with suspend. Don't be an ass. |
| 01:13.43 | dave_is_sexy | pipeline: command not found |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | pipeline: that's long gone |
| 01:13.52 | pipeline | setuid: recommending alpha-quality software is bad, mmkay |
| 01:13.54 | setuid | pipeline, Not true, check the bug reports. |
| 01:14.02 | setuid | pipeline, Incorrect, check the bug reports. |
| 01:14.12 | pipeline | abrotman: what replaces it? |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | pipeline: nothing ... |
| 01:14.21 | abrotman | oh .. vi! :) |
| 01:14.27 | pipeline | abrotman: ice burn. |
| 01:14.28 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: that's a pretty lame example |
| 01:14.30 | setuid | I've been running fglrx on about 12 different Thinkpad machines, and I can verify that it has problems coming out of suspend at random places on current TP models. |
| 01:14.30 | tarzeau | stoned: in debian/changelog put #405441 |
| 01:14.38 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: it's exactly what you need and asked for |
| 01:14.44 | stoned | tarzeau: ok |
| 01:14.57 | pipeline | setuid: I'll take your word for it. In the meanwhile, I and my coworkers all use fglrx. Because radeon remains unusable :D |
| 01:15.02 | stoned | tarzeau: can you also explain why? |
| 01:15.13 | tarzeau | stoned: yeah, read bugs.debian.org/405441 :) |
| 01:15.35 | dave_is_sexy | really? so i add "deb http://ftp.<uk>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" |
| 01:15.40 | stoned | ok |
| 01:15.43 | tarzeau | stoned: someone filed a RFP/ITP (request for package, intent to package) bug |
| 01:15.49 | dave_is_sexy | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:15.52 | tarzeau | stoned: and if you make the package, you can close the bug report |
| 01:15.53 | setuid | pipeline, radeon (on Feisty Fawn), works flawlessly well (and uses less power, i.e. laptop battery lasts longer at the same power settings), and doesn't randomly hang coming out of resume. An added benefit is that composite *AND* DRI both work, while fglrx prohibits this. |
| 01:15.53 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: yes |
| 01:16.05 | pipeline | setuid: I'm going to put you on ignore now. Go back to #ubuntu. |
| 01:16.13 | tarzeau | stoned: do you know http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ? |
| 01:16.17 | setuid | Good, I'll do likewise. |
| 01:16.30 | dave_is_sexy | cool. nother thing. my synaptic today is different to that of yesterday (new install) it doen't have add buttons anymore in repositories |
| 01:17.00 | stoned | tarzeau: now I do :) |
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| 01:17.59 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: awesome. finally! (no idea how hard that is to find on google) |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: man -k sources.list ? |
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| 01:18.38 | stoned | tarzeau: im reading through the reject faq atm |
| 01:18.39 | dave_is_sexy | incidently, google looks rubbish on linux, with an extra sidebar on the left. why? |
| 01:18.45 | tarzeau | stoned: don't bother about it |
| 01:18.56 | tarzeau | stoned: go to sleep now, and then check the lintian -Ivi outputs again |
| 01:18.56 | stoned | tarzeau: I still have to re-read the policy documents |
| 01:19.04 | stoned | tarzeau: ok will do |
| 01:19.18 | stoned | tarzeau: thanks for the tips/help |
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| 01:19.29 | tarzeau | stoned: most important, the software needs to work... (the game doesn't find the levels, we'll fix that) |
| 01:20.04 | setuid | dave_is_sexy, What are you talking about, sidebar? |
| 01:20.10 | stoned | tarzeau: yeh my hand aches from carpel too.. gonna rest now |
| 01:20.21 | stoned | I been reading and typing for hours on end today |
| 01:20.22 | stoned | heh |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: not on my box .. in any browser |
| 01:21.12 | dave_is_sexy | when i go to google in debian, it has what is essentially a sidebar on the left which suggests i search for images and videos. it is rubbish. i can go to the same page now in windows and it isn;t there |
| 01:21.44 | dave_is_sexy | yes, it's in "iceweasel" (which also annoys me, since firefox isn't even in the non-free repo) |
| 01:21.46 | setuid | dave_is_sexy, What browser? |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: you're nuts! |
| 01:21.55 | setuid | dave_is_sexy, Sounds like a browser extension |
| 01:22.07 | GuHHH | setuid: im using itchi |
| 01:22.08 | dave_is_sexy | well it's a default one if it is |
| 01:22.10 | GuHHH | setuid: im using it |
| 01:22.13 | dave_is_sexy | gtg. battery |
| 01:22.18 | setuid | Yeah, screenshot! |
| 01:22.23 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: tomorrow |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:22.31 | dave_is_sexy | and how this is text only |
| 01:23.23 | GuHHH | setuid: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 01:23.33 | setuid | GuHHH, What is the issue? |
| 01:23.55 | setuid | GuHHH, Do you have a Load "dri" line in your xorg.conf? |
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| 01:24.08 | GuHHH | setuid: yes! |
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| 01:24.34 | GuHHH | setuid: i cant run beryl... |
| 01:24.45 | setuid | GuHHH, With fglrx, you won't be able to |
| 01:25.09 | setuid | GuHHH, You either use composite, with no DRI (i.e. dog-slow), or you use DRI, without composite (i.e. no Beryl, but fast rendering) |
| 01:25.48 | setuid | Or use the radeon driver and get both |
| 01:25.50 | GuHHH | setuid: im using composite but i guess im not able to use DRI, as it gives taht message |
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| 01:26.01 | setuid | GuHHH, Right |
| 01:26.03 | setuid | You can't use both |
| 01:26.13 | setuid | If you're using fglrx, the driver prohibits you from using both at the same time |
| 01:26.21 | setuid | The OSS driver does not have this limitation |
| 01:26.26 | setuid | $ glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 01:26.26 | setuid | direct rendering: Yes |
| 01:26.42 | setuid | $ grep -i composite /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:26.42 | setuid | (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled |
| 01:26.45 | GuHHH | setuid: well, id installed the fglrx but itsnt loaded, i cant even found its module, so i guess its running the radeon driver |
| 01:27.06 | setuid | GuHHH, No, you're running the fglrx driver, but without its supporting module |
| 01:27.13 | setuid | depmod -a && modprobe fglrx |
| 01:27.24 | GuHHH | tried modprobe fglrx but it doesnt found any module |
| 01:27.29 | setuid | depmod -a |
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| 01:27.40 | GuHHH | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 01:27.53 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 01:27.59 | setuid | find /usr/lib/'`uname -r`/ -name fglrx* |
| 01:28.37 | setuid | er |
| 01:28.48 | setuid | find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -name fglrx* |
| 01:28.55 | stoned | setuid: I have an X1900XTX ATI video card w/ fglrx drivers and I am able to run Beryl |
| 01:29.10 | setuid | stoned, glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 01:29.19 | stoned | setuid: to do this you must run Xgl on debian and Beryl on top of Xgl |
| 01:29.29 | stoned | setuid: I have direct rendering enabled |
| 01:29.30 | setuid | stoned, Ah, I don't do it that way |
| 01:29.40 | setuid | No Xgl, no AIGLX... |
| 01:29.42 | stoned | setuid: fglrx DOES NOT support AIGLX or Composite |
| 01:29.46 | stoned | correct |
| 01:29.50 | setuid | Yep, exactloy. |
| 01:30.03 | GuHHH | find: paths must precede expression |
| 01:30.12 | setuid | I'll stick with radeon, it gives me about 40 minutes more battery life than fglrx under the same conditions |
| 01:30.26 | setuid | GuHHH, those are accent grave marks, not single quotes |
| 01:30.36 | samm | im putting 2 hds in a debian machine for a music and film archive, what filesystem would you recommend? |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | updatedb && locate fglrx ? |
| 01:30.44 | setuid | samm, xfs |
| 01:30.45 | stoned | setuid: btw, I just installed my 7600GS on the P4 machine. Beryl with nvidia is a piece of cake |
| 01:30.48 | tarzeau | samm: ext2 or 3 |
| 01:31.00 | setuid | tarzeau, No need for journaling on those kinds of files |
| 01:31.01 | GuHHH | setuid: find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/ -name fglrx* |
| 01:31.14 | tarzeau | setuid: ack |
| 01:31.26 | kramed | what are your guys nvidia cards idle temperatures? |
| 01:31.32 | kramed | I think mine is cooking |
| 01:31.34 | tarzeau | kramed: how to find out? |
| 01:31.39 | setuid | kramed, get a better fan |
| 01:31.42 | kramed | nvclock -T |
| 01:31.44 | samm | wouldnt xfs be a better choice for tonnes of mp3s in multiple dirs? |
| 01:31.45 | pipeline | kramed: unless you see artifacts, who gives a shit? |
| 01:31.48 | kramed | I ordered one today |
| 01:31.59 | setuid | samm, Or large files, yes. Dynamic inode allocation is a must there. |
| 01:32.06 | kramed | I am getting weird lockups when using knoppix and other linux boot cds |
| 01:32.09 | tarzeau | kramed: is that in a debian package? |
| 01:32.17 | kramed | plus the card is too hot to touch |
| 01:32.54 | setuid | samm, If you know you won't write to the partition, you could use ext2, and mount it read-only. |
| 01:32.54 | kramed | tarzeau, yeah |
| 01:32.55 | tarzeau | kramed: which one? |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:32.55 | dpkg | well, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:32.55 | kramed | tarzeau, get nvclock-gtk too |
| 01:32.56 | stoned | pipeline: hehe.. I took my 7600GS from 400/800 to 585/1200 on default voltage and without any aftermarket cooling. Under load I can't seem to top 70~ish C |
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| 01:32.57 | stoned | pipeline: no artifacts until I get to 585+ |
| 01:32.59 | GuHHH | setuid: cant find anything |
| 01:33.07 | setuid | GuHHH, Then its not installed |
| 01:33.17 | tarzeau | kramed: Error: temperature monitoring isn't supported on your videocard. |
| 01:33.31 | kramed | its a bug. run the gtk version |
| 01:33.32 | tarzeau | kramed: but thanks, i guess i'll add this to https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 01:33.47 | tarzeau | kramed: i want the cli one, i'll package my own then. why is the bug not fixed yet? |
| 01:33.50 | setuid | abrotman, I didn't get the impression he needed raw performance |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | setuid: what's your point ? |
| 01:34.18 | setuid | abrotman, The links you pasted were specific to raw performance/speed of each fs |
| 01:34.33 | setuid | The fastest fs means nothing, if you can't make sure its data remains intact |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | setuid: no shit .. really? |
| 01:34.46 | kramed | tarzeau, I have no idea its driving me nuts as I want to overclock the card on bootup but the cli doesnt work |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | setuid: did you check the middle url ? |
| 01:35.18 | kramed | knoppix works fine with nvidia cards yes? |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | ask #knoppix |
| 01:35.33 | kramed | just a general question |
| 01:35.53 | abrotman | we don't know .. we don't use it .. ask #knoppix |
| 01:35.59 | tarzeau | kramed: on one box it worked: nVidia Geforce 6200 TurboCache |
| 01:35.59 | tarzeau | => GPU temperature: 52C |
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| 01:37.55 | Win4TheWin | numist |
| 01:37.57 | Win4TheWin | kiss my ass |
| 01:37.58 | kramed | yeah my idle is 60+ |
| 01:37.59 | Win4TheWin | thanks |
| 01:38.08 | kramed | 7800 gt but 10 degrees is alot |
| 01:38.14 | Win4TheWin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.15 | Win4TheWin | Description: No description |
| 01:38.17 | Win4TheWin | URL: http://rafb.net/p/4QmH2j54.html |
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| 01:38.27 | numist | !ops Win4TheWin spamming |
| 01:38.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: numist complains about: Win4TheWin spamming |
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| 01:38.46 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 01:39.03 | numist | heh |
| 01:39.05 | numist | no problem |
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| 01:41.13 | qiyong | i get garbage characters in gnome-terminal window.sometimes after vim. |
| 01:41.14 | numist | hey be`o, fix your stuff, <3 numist |
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| 01:42.04 | be`o | numist, what do you means ? |
| 01:42.13 | be`o | mean |
| 01:42.25 | numist | you quit/join/quit/joined |
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| 01:42.29 | numist | in.. a minute |
| 01:42.46 | mx-zoom | hey... anyone knows a good program to split an audio file into tracks? I have a the cue file |
| 01:42.59 | be`o | numist, oh sorry I'm setting up scim |
| 01:43.09 | numist | ahh |
| 01:43.55 | setuid | mx-zoom, audacity |
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| 01:46.03 | mx-zoom | setuid: tks :) |
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| 01:52.06 | dfqafrqef | hi |
| 01:52.12 | dfqafrqef | i need help |
| 01:52.17 | dfqafrqef | how do i make a mopar server |
| 01:52.19 | dfqafrqef | ne1 know? |
| 01:52.21 | dfqafrqef | fuck |
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| 01:52.40 | abrotman | that was useful |
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| 01:53.29 | dezent | whats a "mopar" sever ? |
| 01:54.11 | adamowitz | anyone know a work-around for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/79172 (also mentioned here: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook ) |
| 01:54.16 | numist | abrotman: he's hopping hosts too / |
| 01:54.19 | numist | :/ |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | numist: that was the same guy ? |
| 01:54.39 | enouf | yep |
| 01:54.42 | numist | yeah, he's attacking ##Linux and ##windows too |
| 01:54.49 | numist | (thanks enouf) |
| 01:54.59 | enouf | no prob |
| 01:55.53 | itchi | adamowitz: Is there not a #debian-ppc or somethings more appropriated for your arch? |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | strange guy ... |
| 01:55.58 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:55.58 | dpkg | i heard ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:56.12 | abrotman | of cousrse ... he should really be asking #ubuntu |
| 01:56.41 | Guerin | um |
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| 01:56.50 | Guerin | isnm't a macbook an intel mac notebook? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | they asked about PPC! |
| 01:57.18 | numist | hehe |
| 01:57.35 | itchi | Guerin: I dunno about macbook stuff :-) |
| 01:57.56 | dezent | im waiting for my macbook pro :( |
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| 01:58.14 | wols_ | dezent: it will arrive shortly after you get your ponytail |
| 01:58.22 | dezent | wols_: for sure |
| 01:58.49 | enouf | itchi: adamowitz , i think it's #debianppc on oftc.net .. and there's also the lists.debian.org too |
| 01:58.49 | itchi | hehe |
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| 01:59.13 | abrotman | he's asking about ubuntu ? |
| 01:59.17 | adamowitz | Not asking about PPC. Asking about a MacBook Pro (MBP) which is intel. Asked in Ubuntu, no answer there. Debian is affected too. Guess nobody here knows. Thanks tho' |
| 01:59.24 | dezent | wols_: how long could it take ? |
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| 01:59.47 | abrotman | hey eeyore- |
| 01:59.49 | eeyore- | hey |
| 02:00.02 | abrotman | enjoying your new spring ? :) |
| 02:00.06 | wols_ | dezent: depends how long your hair already is. you need some length to make a ponytail |
| 02:00.09 | eeyore- | abrotman: loads |
| 02:00.11 | dezent | wols_: uhmm |
| 02:00.20 | dezent | wols_: http://dezent.istheshit.net/ like this =) |
| 02:00.20 | enouf | adamowitz: can't find your question .. was just helping itchi (clarifying) , as he was trying to help you |
| 02:00.29 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's actually very nice here ;-) |
| 02:00.37 | abrotman | adamowitz: can you find an equivalent debian bug ? |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'm sure it is |
| 02:00.46 | dezent | wols_: maybe 6-10 month ? |
| 02:01.25 | wols_ | I'm no coiffeur, so don't ask me |
| 02:01.51 | adamowitz | Question is: there's a bug in Debian and Ubuntu. It's described for Debian here (in the link I posted above): http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook ). Search in the page for the phrase: "If you cannot type anything in the CD/DVD boot prompt" |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | adamowitz: the wiki article you pointed at tells you what the deal is |
| 02:01.55 | dezent | thats a new word.. coiffeur |
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| 02:02.09 | dezent | aah |
| 02:02.23 | adamowitz | USB keyboard doesn't work... |
| 02:02.38 | adamowitz | actually, it does sometimes, but only rarely. |
| 02:02.40 | eeyore- | adamowitz: bug? |
| 02:02.45 | eeyore- | adamowitz: PC? |
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| 02:02.53 | eeyore- | oh, nevermind |
| 02:02.59 | adamowitz | yes |
| 02:03.18 | eeyore- | wait, if it's a PC, why the MacBook link? |
| 02:03.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: macbook is intel |
| 02:03.28 | enouf | eeyore-: MacIntel |
| 02:03.31 | eeyore- | oh |
| 02:03.32 | dezent | usb-keyboards ? i use them all the time.. got one i the datacentre.. and we use like 90% debian |
| 02:03.38 | eeyore- | screwy |
| 02:03.48 | adamowitz | sigh... |
| 02:03.51 | itchi | adamowitz: What's 'refit' ? |
| 02:03.52 | dezent | apple keyboard aswell |
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| 02:03.59 | adamowitz | nevermind... thanks tho' |
| 02:04.15 | eeyore- | abrotman: love the lush green environment |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: and it's warm! |
| 02:04.35 | abrotman | eeyore-: and the food has more grease! |
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| 02:04.44 | itchi | nah, nevermind, babytrans sucks |
| 02:04.52 | abrotman | mmmmm |
| 02:05.06 | wols_ | itchi: software to syng GPT and old style partition table |
| 02:05.18 | wols_ | *sync |
| 02:05.19 | reiser2 | hi abrotman |
| 02:05.32 | reiser2 | look |
| 02:05.33 | reiser2 | /dev/hda1 264445 264445 0 100% / |
| 02:05.46 | itchi | wols_: hhhm, not that bad then that translator :-p |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | you filled it! |
| 02:05.51 | Guerin | reiser2: solution: delete some pr0n |
| 02:06.07 | reiser2 | what files i have to delete? |
| 02:06.08 | enouf | use your 5% option .. |
| 02:06.12 | abrotman | or apt-get clean .. or clean the logs |
| 02:06.17 | wols_ | Guerin: but, but but.... that would be less pr0n! |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | wols_: quality .. not quantity ? |
| 02:06.31 | itchi | adamowitz: Did you try to disable that refit thing? |
| 02:06.40 | wols_ | abrotman: it's pr0n. it's all good |
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| 02:06.53 | abrotman | wols_: lies! |
| 02:07.00 | enouf | wols_: ever get that auitomake stuff sorted? |
| 02:07.04 | Guerin | wols_: i prefer mine fresh, rather than canned |
| 02:07.10 | dezent | im about to build a netboot image.. could i use a pretty large image installed with debootstrap ? or is it a special format on netboot images like cpio-archives ? |
| 02:07.10 | wols_ | enouf: didn't try. went to bed |
| 02:07.11 | reiser2 | i run apt-get clean |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | wols_: rosie odonell .. enough said :) |
| 02:07.25 | reiser2 | but still 100% used |
| 02:07.31 | asg | Guerin: but canned pr0n is delicious |
| 02:07.32 | enouf | wols_: attaboy .. sleep it off ..heh |
| 02:07.39 | wols_ | abrotman: she made pr0n? evil, evil woman! |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | reiser2: do you have more than one partition ? |
| 02:07.51 | reiser2 | yes |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | reiser2: do you have a seperate /var/ ? |
| 02:08.19 | reiser2 | "/home /tmp /usr /var" |
| 02:08.26 | reiser2 | yeah |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | so what's in / ? |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | is there stuff in /root/ ? |
| 02:08.39 | asg | abrotman: /pr0n.tgz |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:09.27 | dezent | du -h / | less |
| 02:10.11 | asg | or du / | sort |
| 02:10.11 | reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/462130 |
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| 02:11.07 | dezent | reiser2: try du -h / | grep M |
| 02:11.37 | dezent | is it possible to use "du" on a single filesystem ? |
| 02:11.56 | asg | dezent: du /root/of/filesystem |
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| 02:12.40 | reiser2 | so long output |
| 02:12.46 | dezent | asg: and if its / ? |
| 02:13.03 | reiser2 | i don't understand why is full |
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| 02:13.22 | reiser2 | all documentation recomends to use 250MB |
| 02:13.45 | asg | dezent: oh, you want to prune the partitions? |
| 02:13.54 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.14 | abrotman | reiser2: cd / && ls -l && ls | xargs du -sk |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | reiser2: paste it all |
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| 02:14.36 | _farseer | hello, isnt runlevel 2 = multiuser? adduser gives my this error "only 1 or two users allowed" :S |
| 02:15.12 | Guerin | _farseer: 2 is definitely multi-user |
| 02:15.20 | Guerin | are you sure that's what you're in? |
| 02:15.25 | abrotman | and single user will let you add a user |
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| 02:15.34 | enouf | _farseer: cat /debian_version says? |
| 02:15.34 | _farseer | Guerin: yep: runlevel gives me N:2 |
| 02:15.51 | enouf | _farseer: cat /etc/debian_version says? |
| 02:15.56 | reiser2 | http://www.pastebin.ca/462134 |
| 02:16.01 | Guerin | reiser2: / can be 250MB if you have separate partitions for /home /usr /tmp and /var |
| 02:16.11 | reiser2 | is my case |
| 02:16.12 | _farseer | enouf: 4.0 |
| 02:16.17 | reiser2 | i have separate partitions |
| 02:16.19 | _farseer | etch |
| 02:16.23 | Guerin | reiser2: then what's taking up all the space? |
| 02:16.52 | veon | does debian support usb flash drive? going to get 4GB one. |
| 02:17.03 | abrotman | wtf is /opt/ ? |
| 02:17.07 | wols_ | veon: ut does |
| 02:17.08 | reiser2 | i don know |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | veon: yes |
| 02:17.14 | wols_ | abrotman: something shitty like /usr/local |
| 02:17.16 | enouf | _farseer: some sort of UML? or selinux? or admin set limits? |
| 02:17.16 | Guerin | veon: as long as it's generic UMS, yes |
| 02:17.19 | Guerin | veon: most are |
| 02:17.28 | wols_ | suse had their kde in there. Sun IIRC had GPL stuff there, etc |
| 02:17.34 | dezent | -x makes du stay on one filesystem |
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| 02:17.48 | dezent | suse? |
| 02:17.50 | _farseer | enouf: hm... might be selinux. saw it was activated during install.. |
| 02:18.01 | enouf | _farseer: ouch |
| 02:18.03 | _farseer | enouf: where and how do i turn that off? |
| 02:18.06 | veon | how to set it up? do i have to partition it like for a hd? |
| 02:18.08 | Guerin | dezent: if you're going to use /opt it needs its own partition |
| 02:18.08 | _farseer | enouf: yeah :/ |
| 02:18.17 | abrotman | wols_: i kwo that |
| 02:18.18 | enouf | good question ,.. trying to recall |
| 02:18.19 | Guerin | and if you're going to use suse, you need your head examined |
| 02:18.22 | dezent | Guerin: why ? |
| 02:18.25 | enouf | maybe initrd |
| 02:18.33 | Guerin | dezent: because if it doesn't have its own partition, it's in / |
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| 02:18.42 | dezent | Guerin: i use /opt all the time |
| 02:18.46 | _farseer | enouf: did plain installgui with kde... should have gone expertgui... but i'm lazy :D |
| 02:18.51 | Guerin | dezent: so give it its own partition |
| 02:18.54 | dezent | Guerin: yes.. and ? |
| 02:19.13 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 02:19.15 | Guerin | dezent: otherwise you'll run out of fucking space and then look like a complete imbecile when you don't understand why |
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| 02:19.18 | reiser2 | opt is in / |
| 02:19.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:19.20 | dezent | Guerin: no.. im building embedded voipstuff |
| 02:19.20 | reiser2 | so |
| 02:19.28 | Guerin | dezent: my bad |
| 02:19.29 | reiser2 | i installed Alfresco |
| 02:19.34 | Guerin | dezent: you aren't reiser2 |
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| 02:19.41 | reiser2 | it takes a lot of me |
| 02:19.43 | foo | Where can I download debian sarge from? I looked on the site but it shows the newest, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ - I don't think that's debian sarge |
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| 02:19.49 | dezent | Guerin: its in ram loaded from initrd =) |
| 02:20.03 | Roey | hi |
| 02:20.07 | dezent | Guerin: aah =) |
| 02:20.11 | veon | heh? usb flash drive. do i just plug it in, partition, mkfs? |
| 02:20.12 | minus | How do I mount an AudioCD so I "cd" in to it and read what files are in it? |
| 02:20.17 | _farseer | enouf: i don't even know if its selinux... how can i check if its on? |
| 02:20.26 | Roey | anyone else here have a Wacom? Why is it that my 9x12 only gets interpreted as having a 6x8 drawing surface? |
| 02:20.26 | reiser2 | Guering: what you said? |
| 02:20.35 | Guerin | reiser2: see above re: /opt |
| 02:20.40 | enouf | well here's the kconfig info http://lxr.linux.no/source/security/selinux/Kconfig?v=2.6.18 _farseer .. you can check in dmesg |
| 02:20.45 | asg | minus: audio cd's are not mountable in the conventional sense |
| 02:20.50 | Guerin | minus: you don't |
| 02:20.50 | minus | mount -r /dev/hdc but how do i specyfy the filessytem. |
| 02:20.55 | minus | asg, ok.. |
| 02:20.59 | Guerin | minus: an audio cd has no filesystem |
| 02:21.07 | enouf | _farseer: dmesg | grep -i selinux |
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| 02:21.30 | minus | Guerin, so how do I read what files are in there.. |
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| 02:21.36 | minus | I dont want to play them.. |
| 02:21.38 | veon | what is the device designation for flash drive? |
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| 02:21.47 | dezent | mount -o bind /home/opt /opt =) quick and dirty |
| 02:21.47 | _farseer | enouf: says: disabled at boot |
| 02:21.48 | aalex_ | hi |
| 02:21.51 | minus | Just look at the file's name |
| 02:21.52 | Guerin | minus: there are no files ... there are only tracks. To read them you use a ripper, i recommend abcde |
| 02:22.03 | enouf | _farseer: that's not it then |
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| 02:22.15 | _farseer | enouf: weird... |
| 02:22.18 | enouf | _farseer: id -a says? |
| 02:22.23 | enouf | erm id -u |
| 02:22.25 | minus | Guerin, I don't want to rip them.. |
| 02:22.38 | Guerin | minus: you don't need to. |
| 02:22.44 | veon | wtf, can someone answer my question? |
| 02:22.46 | minus | But I guess i'll have to start a media player and just read of the names |
| 02:22.49 | Guerin | minus: ok, here's the thing |
| 02:22.56 | _farseer | enouf: as root: 0 |
| 02:22.59 | Guerin | minus: the names are most likely not stored on the cd |
| 02:23.10 | dezent | veon: what fscking question ? |
| 02:23.12 | aalex_ | Anyone can tell my if the motherboard MSI P6N SLI SI is well supported by Linux / Debian ? |
| 02:23.14 | Guerin | minus: they most likely have to be retrieved from a database on the internet |
| 02:23.20 | enouf | remove that annoying stinkin _ |
| 02:23.21 | Guerin | aalex_: google can |
| 02:23.24 | enouf | grep default /etc/inittab |
| 02:23.32 | veon | dezent: you been fscking dead all this while? |
| 02:23.41 | minus | Guerin, Huh?! |
| 02:23.49 | _farseer | enouf: me? "_" ? |
| 02:23.54 | enouf | yes! |
| 02:23.58 | _farseer | haha sorry |
| 02:24.01 | aalex_ | Guerin, I thought you were in #debian_fr |
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| 02:24.06 | Guerin | aalex_: why? |
| 02:24.07 | minus | I just burn a CD and I want to know in what order i put the tracks.. |
| 02:24.15 | enouf | better ;-) farseer |
| 02:24.22 | aalex_ | Guerin, ah, mistaken with someone else, sorry |
| 02:24.23 | Guerin | veon: put a windows partition table and a vfat filesystem on it |
| 02:24.25 | enouf | now easy tab nick completion |
| 02:24.30 | farseer_ | enouf: someone owns that nick :/ |
| 02:24.37 | Guerin | minus: huh what? |
| 02:24.43 | dezent | veon: you need to find out how the fscking flashdrive is connected to the system.. maybe you could check the fsck dmesg |
| 02:24.52 | veon | Guerin: wtf, i am going to use it for debian! |
| 02:24.53 | farseer_ | enouf: lol. sorry 'bout that ;) |
| 02:25.00 | minus | Guerin, Nvm.. |
| 02:25.00 | enouf | farseer_: just use a first letter that on;y requires 1 finger |
| 02:25.04 | Guerin | veon: so treat it like a hard disk |
| 02:25.04 | reiser2 | solution? |
| 02:25.12 | farseer_ | enouf: i know :P |
| 02:25.16 | enouf | farseer_: no worries |
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| 02:25.36 | enouf | now... 2where were we |
| 02:25.39 | farseer_ | enouf: i'm stuck.. i have no clue what's wrong :S |
| 02:25.46 | farseer_ | enouf: adduser |
| 02:25.48 | enouf | farseer_: what's the exact command you tried? |
| 02:25.55 | reiser2 | humm |
| 02:25.57 | farseer_ | enouf: adduser foo |
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| 02:25.59 | reiser2 | i got the problem |
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| 02:26.00 | enouf | farseer_: there's also useradd |
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| 02:26.15 | enouf | farseer_: you need adduser user group |
| 02:26.31 | reiser2 | /dev/hda1 264445 105759 145033 43% / |
| 02:26.37 | enouf | farseer_: you forgot to add which group |
| 02:26.41 | reiser2 | i have 43% |
| 02:26.56 | reiser2 | only delete the application installed there |
| 02:27.01 | farseer_ | enouf: no adduser is the script... it prompts for that later |
| 02:27.12 | enouf | reiser2: deleted some rosie o pr0n? ;-) |
| 02:27.46 | enouf | farseer_: adduser [options] user group |
| 02:27.50 | reiser2 | only one application i installed in /opt |
| 02:27.53 | enouf | farseer_: man adduser |
| 02:28.01 | Xenguy | adduser is better |
| 02:28.17 | reiser2 | because that application was installed in /opt and /opt is in / |
| 02:28.29 | enouf | yep .. that'll do it reiser2 |
| 02:28.34 | farseer_ | enouf: oh its DIFFERENT on debian.. you must type that in. i'm used to just "adduser" and then adduser prompts for that input |
| 02:28.41 | farseer_ | enouf: lol. working now :D |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | farseer_: ok .. different than ? |
| 02:28.57 | Xenguy | farseer_: that's what I do (I think) |
| 02:29.38 | Xenguy | farseer_: I mean adduser is interactive, which is good :-) |
| 02:29.56 | farseer_ | enouf: yeah a bit. and debian addusers creates a group with the same name as user (unless u change it)... not used to that :P |
| 02:30.05 | farseer_ | err -s |
| 02:30.10 | reiser2 | thanks |
| 02:30.12 | enouf | farseer_: yep |
| 02:30.28 | enouf | the sane way |
| 02:30.28 | reiser2 | i am instelling again in /home/opt |
| 02:30.41 | farseer_ | enouf: wich is better? all users in group "users" or have their own group? |
| 02:30.57 | enouf | own group IMO |
| 02:31.19 | enouf | but they can also be added to any others, as you please |
| 02:31.36 | farseer_ | enouf: yeah :) well doesn't really matter.. most of them are going to be ftp users |
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| 02:33.36 | farseer_ | enouf: thanks for your help mate :) i got some other issues with debian i need to solve here :D |
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| 02:35.26 | enouf | no prob .. shoot .. many good helpers here ;-) |
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| 02:37.33 | syntaxx | anyone here already setup openldap pgp keyserver? |
| 02:38.16 | farseer_ | enouf: well.. first of all i need the nvidia driver. i guess its just to enable non-free in sources.lst or something :P |
| 02:38.35 | enouf | farseer_: first of all you don't need |
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| 02:38.47 | enouf | farseer_: secondly 2D is ok? |
| 02:38.50 | enouf | heh |
| 02:39.13 | enouf | farseer_: you'd /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:39.21 | kramed | is it possible to resize the lvm volumes during the debian installer? |
| 02:39.22 | farseer_ | enouf: haha ;) 2d is ok.. but 2d becomes better with the right driver ;) |
| 02:39.39 | Snuggles | So, I created a new user and it isn't able to startx. What do I need to change in the user permissions? |
| 02:39.41 | enouf | i think the one-liner is if you've already done it |
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| 02:39.54 | Snuggles | Do I need to add my user to a specific group? |
| 02:40.07 | farseer_ | enouf: ok, thanks :) |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | Snuggles: errors ? |
| 02:40.39 | eeyore- | is it just me or does the "ck" kernel feels snappier? |
| 02:40.49 | Snuggles | That's the group name abrotman ? |
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| 02:40.58 | enouf | oh dear |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | Snuggles: are there any errors ? |
| 02:41.13 | Snuggles | Just an authentication issue. |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | do you thnik that might be important ? |
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| 02:41.33 | Snuggles | User doesn't have sufficient privilidges to start xsession, and 2 other scripts. |
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| 02:41.41 | Gnea | stoned. |
| 02:41.49 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, how do you add ftp users? i have installed vsftpd but i don't how to mess with users, group, etc |
| 02:41.50 | Snuggles | Well, this all started when I accidently mounted something on /home/mezmiro |
| 02:41.56 | Roey | anyone else here have a Wacom? Why is it that my 9x12 only gets interpreted as having a 6x8 drawing surface? |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: are they real users or virtual users ? |
| 02:42.16 | abrotman | did you unmount it ? |
| 02:42.18 | Snuggles | >_> So, effectively, I had to create another user because that mount totally screwed things up. |
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| 02:42.21 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, just ftp users with ftp access without ssh access |
| 02:42.22 | enouf | mit-magic-cookie, /.Xauthority likely Snuggles |
| 02:42.34 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: that doesn't really answer my question |
| 02:42.35 | enouf | Snuggles: does your new user have a /home ? |
| 02:42.45 | abrotman | BUMBACL0T: and i'm sure the docs cover this |
| 02:42.49 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: add local users and dont give them shell acess |
| 02:42.50 | BUMBACL0T | abrotman, i read it |
| 02:42.59 | Snuggles | enouf: My new user does, and so does the old one. I can't log into my old user though ^_^. |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | Snuggles: what's the actual error ? |
| 02:43.11 | enouf | ofcoure not |
| 02:43.14 | Snuggles | I'm really not concerned about my old user, but I do want my new user to have the same privileges. |
| 02:43.20 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, what about the ftp thing? |
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| 02:43.35 | stoned | Gnea: sorry my wifi just went screwey |
| 02:43.41 | Gnea | stoned: heh |
| 02:43.43 | stoned | Gnea: hi |
| 02:43.46 | BUMBACL0T | ive been messin with this thing for 2 days, can't figure it out how to setup one |
| 02:43.49 | Snuggles | enouf: What's the best way to check? I'm still not that familiar with how error logging / management works in Debian. |
| 02:44.03 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: about what? u behind a router? |
| 02:44.04 | abrotman | you just said there's an authentication error ... |
| 02:44.05 | enouf | Snuggles: start by answering abrotman |
| 02:44.15 | Snuggles | err, that was for abrotman* |
| 02:44.16 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, yes |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | Snuggles: you said you got an error .. what was it ? |
| 02:44.45 | enouf | Snuggles: /var/log/auth.0.log, /var/log/messages. etc etc |
| 02:44.54 | BUMBACL0T | i even read ubuntu's howtos |
| 02:44.58 | BUMBACL0T | didn't work for me |
| 02:45.08 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: u need to use passive mode, and use min/max passive ports.. use some high ports and open them in your router |
| 02:45.42 | enouf | Snuggles: /var/log/auth.log and auth.log.0 |
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| 02:47.17 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: your isp could be blocking port 21 as well... try some other port |
| 02:47.18 | daeos | is it fine for me to remove .deb files in the /var/cache/apt/archives/ location? or should i leave that alone? im just trying to find ways to cut down on hdd usage, 38% of my drive is in use |
| 02:47.47 | farseer_ | daeos: apt-get clean |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | daeos: apt-get clean .. they'll go away |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | or aptitude clean |
| 02:47.59 | Guerin | daeos: it's fine, they'll be downloaded again if needed |
| 02:48.11 | Guerin | but 38% is fuck-all |
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| 02:48.42 | Snuggles | hmm.. |
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| 02:49.12 | Snuggles | Odd, it isn't showing the errors.. |
| 02:49.32 | aalex_ | So, when I want to buy a motherbord, whay do I look to know if it will be well supported ? The chipset ? What is a chipset... Let say the http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=P6N_SLI-FI&class=mb :: the chipset is the two nVIDIA "South Bridge" things on it ? |
| 02:49.38 | Snuggles | although I guess it might not log privilege errors. |
| 02:49.47 | Guerin | aalex_: /msg dpkg hcl |
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| 02:49.53 | Amarande | I tend to run any services on my system on high numbered ports that have as little connection to anything else as I can figure out |
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| 02:50.02 | daeos | farseer_; abrotman; Guerin: thanks |
| 02:50.04 | Snuggles | hmm.. |
| 02:50.05 | Amarande | like I might run ircd on port 38174 or something like that lol |
| 02:50.34 | Snuggles | Wait..shouldn't there be something in /user/newuser ? |
| 02:50.45 | Guerin | no |
| 02:50.46 | daeos | oh yeah! 28% used now hehe |
| 02:50.50 | Guerin | no such thing as /usr |
| 02:50.52 | Guerin | err |
| 02:50.56 | Snuggles | I just created it, so shouldn't there be Desktop and similar things? |
| 02:50.57 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.58 | Snuggles | errr |
| 02:51.00 | Snuggles | /home/newuser* |
| 02:51.22 | Guerin | Snuggles: there should be some files, the same as in /etc/skel/ |
| 02:51.24 | aalex_ | Guerin, what do I look into that ? The chipset or the mobo number ? |
| 02:51.30 | Amarande | hmm, are 24G and 33G enough, too little, or too much for /usr and /var respectively? :) |
| 02:51.37 | Snuggles | Odd... |
| 02:51.39 | Guerin | aalex_: chipsets. |
| 02:51.46 | Amarande | actually, 28G and 37G, I was looking at what was free rather than used heh |
| 02:51.54 | Guerin | Amarande: waaaay the fuck too much |
| 02:52.04 | Guerin | Amarande: 8 and 7 would be more like it |
| 02:52.06 | Amarande | well, it is a 200G drive used only for Linux |
| 02:52.06 | enouf | Snuggles: is this a remote login? |
| 02:52.08 | Guerin | and even that's e4xcessive |
| 02:52.14 | Amarande | I have 108G in /home as it is |
| 02:52.15 | Snuggles | Nope enouf. |
| 02:52.20 | Snuggles | and /skel is empty.. |
| 02:52.22 | Guerin | Amarande: make some partitions for /data and stuff |
| 02:52.42 | enouf | Snuggles: as root grep -i authentication /var/log/* |
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| 02:53.27 | Snuggles | enouf: No output. |
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| 02:54.41 | enouf | Snuggles: erm .. are there any files there? .. me running that inadevertantly kicked up the printer/lpd/cups config ..lol |
| 02:54.47 | daeos | would it be worthwhile to add a 10GB hdd to a system with a 20GB hdd, and raid the / partion with the 2nd hdd ? |
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| 02:55.06 | Snuggles | o.O... |
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| 02:55.15 | Snuggles | There are files in /var/log but grep doesn't output anything. |
| 02:55.22 | grendelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.31 | enouf | Snuggles: well just doit again till it fails |
| 02:55.58 | Snuggles | Yeh, did it about 20 more times, not really doing anything. |
| 02:56.12 | enouf | Snuggles: i mean you X errors |
| 02:56.15 | enouf | your* |
| 02:56.24 | daeos | or prehaps... create a partition on the 2nd hdd (size at 10GB) and make it the same or similar size as /var/www to make sure my web data doesn't get lost ? |
| 02:56.26 | grendelson | I am running .36 - TombRaiderLegend patched to 1.2 with NOCD exe and it just hangs whenI start it - I did set all options nin video to lowest and have sound set to OSS. ANything else I can try? |
| 02:56.38 | Snuggles | O, okay. |
| 02:56.43 | Snuggles | I'll try to get that X error too..brb |
| 02:56.59 | pipeline | Amarande: /usr should never be split from /. |
| 02:57.08 | pipeline | Amarande: It's usually unnecessary to split out anything at all but /home. |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | unless you log lots of stuff |
| 02:57.40 | pipeline | unless it's a mail server or something, /var should not be a thread to / filling up :P |
| 02:57.41 | enouf | wel .. without multiple disks containing the various partitions, expect mucho thrashing .. ;-) |
| 02:58.02 | pipeline | enouf: we have this magical thing called "filesystem cache" nowadays. I suggest you mount -oremount,async and try it on for size ;) |
| 02:58.07 | grendelson | Sorry wrong room above :-) |
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| 02:59.07 | enouf | pipeline: that helps when using multiple partitions on the same disk? .. guess it might be atd, or famd, that was doing it then |
| 02:59.15 | daeos | abrotman: would it be possible to add a 10GB hdd and have it raid the /var/www directory? |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | it raid ? |
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| 02:59.46 | daeos | ... setup raid for /var/www and the 2nd hdd |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | you mean .. just /var/www/ ? |
| 02:59.52 | daeos | yes just /var/www |
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| 02:59.57 | pipeline | enouf: it always helps. |
| 03:00.02 | daeos | i know raid requires similar size |
| 03:00.09 | daeos | and... my 1st hdd is a 20 gb |
| 03:00.10 | pipeline | enouf: Assuming you're not using the "ext2" driver |
| 03:00.16 | abrotman | daeos: i think so with swraid .. or you could just have it rsync to the second drive hourly etc |
| 03:00.18 | enouf | pipeline: and naturally my experiments were when i had linux on hda7,8,9,10,11 |
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| 03:01.18 | daeos | abrotman: so sw raid really wouldn't require similar sizes? |
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| 03:01.33 | abrotman | i don't use it |
| 03:01.37 | abrotman | !tell Snuggles about root |
| 03:01.47 | daeos | oh my |
| 03:01.48 | daeos | root |
| 03:01.49 | daeos | haha |
| 03:01.58 | daeos | what a mistake to do |
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| 03:02.35 | abrotman | better :) |
| 03:02.35 | daeos | very good |
| 03:02.37 | Snuggles | So anyways. |
| 03:03.04 | Snuggles | The output was something along the lines of X: User not authorized to run X Server. |
| 03:03.25 | Amarande | I don't even log on as root, except to do something quick on a text console |
| 03:03.34 | Amarande | and sometimes I need to lart myself for leaving a root console open on VC1 |
| 03:03.50 | Amarande | hmm, I didn't leave one open, did I ... |
| 03:03.51 | Snuggles | Well, my thing is I don't have a user that can startx at the moment. |
| 03:03.53 | Amarande | amarande :0 2007-04-27 01:42 |
| 03:03.56 | Amarande | no, I didn't. good. :) |
| 03:04.11 | Amarande | Snuggles, are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 03:04.15 | Snuggles | GNOME. |
| 03:04.18 | daeos | abrotman: so... what would you recommend then as far as trying to provide a means of protecting my /var/www directory in case my hdd crashed ... |
| 03:04.23 | Amarande | Ideally, with GNOME, you should be running gdm |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | daeos: you can do a daily rsync to the other drive |
| 03:04.40 | Snuggles | Yeah I'm running kdm. |
| 03:04.41 | Amarande | if you're running gdm, no one should be using starx |
| 03:04.43 | Amarande | er, startx |
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| 03:04.51 | Amarande | yeah, you don't need to run startx if you have a display manager. |
| 03:04.58 | Amarande | if the display manager won't load, it means x isn't configured right |
| 03:05.04 | Snuggles | hmm.. |
| 03:05.09 | daeos | abrotman: so a cronjob to rsync the 2 |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | daeos: taht's one way |
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| 03:07.17 | Amarande | blah, I wish shipping wasn't such a ripoff for this |
| 03:07.22 | Amarande | I need to order some rear slot covers |
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| 03:07.35 | Amarande | but ordering one $3 item from compusa.com is going to probably cost me more than that in shipping :| |
| 03:07.40 | enouf | abrotman: cut it out! .. i turned if off after pettite broke his arm! |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:08.20 | _SkareCrow | Hello, I have just recently installed Debian etch and went in and configured the /etc/network/interfaces and set eth0 to static, I restart networking and the IP changes to the IP I specified... When I get disconnected and the server reconnects the IP goes threw DHCP... Anyone might know the cause? |
| 03:08.25 | Roey | anyone else here have a Wacom? Why is it that my 9x12 only gets interpreted as having a 6x8 drawing surface? |
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| 03:09.26 | cwheeler | I have lotsa slot covers Amarande come over and i'll give you one |
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| 03:11.45 | enouf | Roey: mught try ##linux for a larger audience |
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| 03:12.04 | aalex__ | Guerin, ok. found that it is effortlessly supported ;) |
| 03:12.05 | enouf | well .. not larger, but amother avenue |
| 03:12.11 | enouf | er another |
| 03:13.14 | daeos | would anyone else have an idea on the rsync option that abrotman recommended? |
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| 03:16.10 | Guerin | aalex__: most older than a few months are |
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| 03:17.39 | aalex__ | ok |
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| 03:18.46 | Roey | enouf: thanks |
| 03:20.14 | nzk | Is there an irc server in the reops |
| 03:20.16 | nzk | *repos |
| 03:20.57 | pipeline | apt-cache search ircd |
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| 03:23.45 | nzk | Argh |
| 03:23.53 | minus | How do iget out of the INSERT mode in Vim?! |
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| 03:24.04 | nzk | When I try to install packages, sometimes I get errors like "This and that are not found on PATH" and the install aborts. How do I fix this? |
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| 03:24.16 | SkareCrow | minus: press <esc> |
| 03:24.28 | minus | SkareCrow, Thnx! |
| 03:24.28 | aztec105 | Hello all has any one here used imspector? |
| 03:24.55 | minus | SkareCrow, How Do i save then? |
| 03:25.05 | SkareCrow | um, i forget what it is to just save |
| 03:25.07 | minus | Or does it autosave? |
| 03:25.15 | SkareCrow | but to quit and save you do <esc> then type :wq |
| 03:25.23 | minus | Ah.. |
| 03:25.54 | holden | okay d-i can't contact a mirror on my etch or lenny netinst CDs even though mu NIC is recognized and works |
| 03:25.54 | SkareCrow | ahh |
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| 03:26.03 | SkareCrow | it is just :w <-- w == write, q == quit |
| 03:26.05 | holden | so the whole process fails at "Install base system" |
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| 03:26.12 | nzk | Anyone know? |
| 03:26.23 | minus | SkareCrow, Ah.. I see.. |
| 03:26.42 | SkareCrow | to save changes type :w, to exit and save changes type :wq, to quit type :q to quit wihtout saving changes type :q! |
| 03:26.50 | minus | But i'll never use vim again.. It kinda sux to be honest.. |
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| 03:27.00 | minus | Nano is muuuch better |
| 03:27.02 | minus | :) |
| 03:27.02 | SkareCrow | You just have to get use to it, I like it :) |
| 03:27.17 | aztec105 | holden: proxies ? |
| 03:27.29 | SkareCrow | But then again, I only use vim :) |
| 03:27.39 | minus | x| |
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| 03:27.56 | holden | aztec105: I'm behind a NAT but no HTTP proxy |
| 03:28.02 | holden | so I just hit enter at that step |
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| 03:28.13 | holden | never had this d-i problem before |
| 03:28.14 | RatCell | Hey i have a computer running debian just the base system and the hard drive has bad sectors. I know in XP you can fix it. In debian what is a command I could run to try to fix those sectors? |
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| 03:28.30 | minus | At last! All the musik is prepared for my first LSD trip! |
| 03:28.42 | minus | Now its just the LSD missing :) |
| 03:28.48 | nzk | When I try to install packages, sometimes I get errors like "This and that are not found on PATH" and the install aborts. How do I fix this? |
| 03:28.57 | eitan | I am having trouble getting sane to work with my scanner. I followed all of the faqs and sane is supposed to support my scanner. Can someone here help me figure out what's going wrong? |
| 03:29.01 | nzk | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 03:29.01 | nzk | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 03:29.25 | minus | nzk, have you searched on google |
| 03:29.29 | nzk | yes |
| 03:29.45 | holden | okay so a full CD1 (not netinst) fails at "Install base system" with another error |
| 03:29.54 | minus | Cause I am a total newbe on Linux so don't expect any help from me :P |
| 03:29.58 | holden | "debootstrap: E: NOSCRIPT" |
| 03:30.16 | holden | "debootstrap: EA: /usr/lib/deboostrap/scripts/lenny" |
| 03:30.34 | holden | "debootstrap: EF: No such script: %s" |
| 03:30.56 | eitan | Sane freezes when I try to use it with my scanner. Can someone help me figure out what's going wrong? |
| 03:31.08 | minus | holden, My tip: Install Etch Net instal and just do a apt-get dist upgrade |
| 03:31.18 | nzk | I did PRiNTENV PATH and its /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 03:31.26 | minus | Dont forget to change therepositories though... |
| 03:31.30 | aztec105 | holden: can I mesg you privately so I do not spam the rest |
| 03:31.34 | minus | the repositores* |
| 03:31.56 | nzk | How do I set a variable? |
| 03:32.44 | minus | Damn! IS IT ALREADY 5:30 AM! :O |
| 03:32.44 | aztec105 | holden: actually look at http://66.218.71.231/language/translation/translatedPage.php?tt=url&text=http%3a//www.esdebian.org/forum/viewtopic.php%3fshowtopic=87283%26fromblock=yes&lp=es_en&.intl=us&fr=yfp-t-501 |
| 03:32.44 | eitan | Hello? |
| 03:32.44 | minus | Gotta go to bed. *foff* |
| 03:32.52 | minus | Cya laters |
| 03:34.25 | foo | Where can I download debian sarge from? I looked on the site but it shows the newest, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ - I don't think that's debian sarge |
| 03:35.20 | aztec105 | foo: sarge would be now "oldstable" |
| 03:36.18 | jonathansizz | does anyone know the file path to trash for root? |
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| 03:37.10 | nzk | How do I set a variable |
| 03:37.24 | jair | hello guys, anyone have try to configure "LEAP" wireless on a computer with atheros and madwifi driver? |
| 03:37.30 | foo | aztec105: ok? And that's on the site somewhere? |
| 03:37.34 | conn | hi, I'm using apt-cacher to keep my systems updated in a central location. It's working fine, but I'm wondering if it's possible to make apt-get detect if the host (apt-cacher proxy) is offline, and if it is, to make a direct connection instead of trying unsuccessfully to connect to the proxy? |
| 03:37.48 | jair | I am very very close to get it working though but I am assuming that I am missing something |
| 03:37.56 | aztec105 | foo: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 03:38.00 | zophy | nzk, export foo=bar |
| 03:38.16 | foo | aztec105: thanks |
| 03:38.17 | nzk | what? |
| 03:38.24 | aztec105 | foo: NP |
| 03:38.30 | nzk | i dont get it |
| 03:38.36 | nzk | I want to set the root PATH variable |
| 03:39.47 | zophy | export PATH=$PATH:additional/path |
| 03:39.58 | zophy | i think that works |
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| 03:40.50 | zophy | if you want to add onto the path and not replace it |
| 03:41.11 | nzk | what if i want to replace it |
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| 03:42.44 | enouf | nzk: what? |
| 03:42.50 | nzk | nvm |
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| 03:43.35 | enouf | nzk: if you want per session, use export, if permanent, use .profile |
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| 03:44.15 | enouf | nzk: printenv will help you, as well as set | less |
| 03:44.33 | nzk | argh |
| 03:44.38 | enouf | UGH! |
| 03:44.40 | nzk | how do i iapt-get without having root |
| 03:44.49 | enouf | you don't |
| 03:45.35 | nzk | then i am in a conundrum |
| 03:45.42 | nzk | root and my user are 2 seperate things |
| 03:45.52 | nzk | and i cant apt-get without doing su -m |
| 03:45.59 | nzk | and i cant run ircd-hybrid in root |
| 03:46.01 | nzk | so... |
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| 03:46.08 | enouf | you can su - (enter root pass), then continue, or use sudo , or edit /etc/sudoers to make sudo easier |
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| 03:47.01 | enouf | ircd-what? |
| 03:47.02 | nzk | sudo doesnt work |
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| 03:47.16 | enouf | you doing something worng |
| 03:47.49 | enouf | or drop the one of the VC/VTs (ctrl-alt-f1-6), and login as root |
| 03:48.25 | BUMBACL0T | hey, how come everything i access my ftp server locally it works but now remotely ? |
| 03:48.33 | BUMBACL0T | ports are ok though |
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| 03:48.43 | enouf | er chuggs even |
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| 03:51.03 | conn | hi, is it possible to make apt-get run a script before initializing? I checked "man apt.conf" and found nothing |
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| 03:51.41 | nvz | conn: ./script; apt-get ... |
| 03:51.46 | Vasistha | conn: you could just write a wrapper script |
| 03:52.04 | conn | yes, I was wondering if there was a more elegant solution |
| 03:52.15 | nzk | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 03:52.18 | BUMBACL0T | everytime* |
| 03:52.32 | nvz | conn: have your script run it for you |
| 03:52.36 | Vasistha | nzk: is it installed? |
| 03:52.44 | nzk | how do i install it |
| 03:53.18 | conn | nvz, yep thanks, but I thought it may be supported in apt.conf (like "DPkg::Pre-Init" etc) |
| 03:53.18 | Vasistha | nzk: with apt-get or aptitude, or your package manager of choice. The package to install is 'sudo' |
| 03:53.27 | nzk | ... |
| 03:53.27 | BUMBACL0T | su -> enter root password -> pico /etc/sudoers |
| 03:53.40 | nzk | i cant apt-get anything without sudo |
| 03:53.54 | BUMBACL0T | su -> enter root password -> pico /etc/sudoers |
| 03:53.57 | BUMBACL0T | pay attention |
| 03:54.04 | BUMBACL0T | su is not sudo |
| 03:54.09 | nzk | I like to keep my shell |
| 03:54.11 | nzk | su -m |
| 03:54.23 | BUMBACL0T | then enter your root password |
| 03:54.29 | nzk | oh god |
| 03:54.32 | nzk | not again |
| 03:54.46 | nzk | how do i replace a variable? |
| 03:54.51 | BUMBACL0T | then edit /etc/sudoers |
| 03:54.51 | Roey | anyone else here have a Wacom? Why is it that my 9x12 only gets interpreted as having a 6x8 drawing surface? |
| 03:54.54 | BUMBACL0T | add your username |
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| 03:55.06 | Vasistha | nzk: just reassign it. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 03:55.08 | BUMBACL0T | export i think |
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| 03:55.19 | holden | I'm having big issues with d-i |
| 03:55.28 | BUMBACL0T | export SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 03:55.30 | nzk | the PATH variable is giving me problems |
| 03:55.30 | BUMBACL0T | some shit like that |
| 03:55.32 | nzk | nothing will install |
| 03:55.37 | holden | at "Install base system" it gives an error and fails |
| 03:55.38 | holden | "debootstrap: E: NOSCRIPT" |
| 03:55.41 | holden | "debootstrap: EA: /usr/lib/deboostrap/scripts/lenny" |
| 03:55.44 | holden | "debootstrap: EF: No such script: %s" |
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| 03:55.53 | Vasistha | nzk: what version of debian are you using? |
| 03:56.06 | nzk | latest |
| 03:56.21 | Vasistha | nzk: and which version is that? |
| 03:56.31 | nzk | ...current |
| 03:56.38 | Vasistha | nzk: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:56.38 | BUMBACL0T | latest stable? latest unstable? latest testing? |
| 03:56.44 | BUMBACL0T | ^^ |
| 03:56.49 | nzk | 4.0 |
| 03:57.03 | BUMBACL0T | sudo should be there by default |
| 03:57.36 | Vasistha | nzk: so, did you somehow screw up your path? sudo should be /usr/bin/sudo |
| 03:58.00 | nzk | i didnt do anything to it |
| 03:58.05 | nzk | PHP5 wouldnt install |
| 03:58.08 | nzk | so i tried to fix it |
| 03:58.10 | nzk | and it installed |
| 03:58.14 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 03:58.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 03:58.27 | BUMBACL0T | do: export SHELL="/bin/bash" |
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| 04:00.08 | nzk | Now printenv doesnt work |
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| 04:02.24 | nzk | Now no commands work |
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| 04:02.55 | Vasistha | nzk: how about 'echo' |
| 04:03.07 | nzk | Nevermind, logged in and out |
| 04:03.41 | BUMBACL0T | hey, how come everytime i access my ftp server remotely it doesn't work, but it works locally? |
| 04:03.46 | nzk | Argh! |
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| 04:03.53 | nzk | Its still giving me PATH env problems |
| 04:04.18 | Yggdrasil | hi, ive been doing some work on kernels, and ive got like 20 kernels installed , i installed using dpkg , how can i remove them ? |
| 04:04.18 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: maybe your firewall, or /etc/hosts* |
| 04:04.28 | nzk | Vasistha, this is what I get http://slexy.org/paste/2407 |
| 04:04.48 | Vasistha | Yggdrasil: with dpkg -r |
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| 04:05.02 | Yggdrasil | and how can i find out thier names |
| 04:05.11 | Yggdrasil | dpkg -r verylong name |
| 04:05.19 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 04:05.21 | Yggdrasil | wowk |
| 04:05.21 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 04:05.24 | Vasistha | wow, that's disgusting |
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| 04:05.51 | Yggdrasil | and painfull |
| 04:05.56 | Vasistha | Yggdrasil: dpkg -l '*glob*' |
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| 04:06.04 | Yggdrasil | ahh ok thanks |
| 04:06.08 | asarch | usb 2-2: device not accepting address 21, error -71 |
| 04:06.50 | Vasistha | nzk: can you paste root's $PATH into the channel? |
| 04:07.13 | aztec105 | nzk: eeep |
| 04:07.16 | asarch | What is the name of the bot to ask this question?: usb 2-2: device not accepting address 21, error -71 |
| 04:07.37 | asarch | What is usb 2-2: device not accepting address 21, error -71? |
| 04:07.45 | Vasistha | asarch: /msg dpkg |
| 04:08.07 | asarch | Vasistha: Tanks!!! |
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| 04:08.39 | Vasistha | asarch: well, wait. I don't think the bot's going to know anything about that. But could you please not repeat so much? We're likelier to be able to help you if we know something about what you're trying to do, and the devices you're using |
| 04:08.47 | OhMyGods | who can give me a recompile kernel ' s manual? thanx |
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| 04:09.08 | asarch | Vasistha: Ok |
| 04:09.17 | Vasistha | OhMyGods: well, you know, the first thing we always ask is why you want to recompile the kernel... |
| 04:09.34 | asarch | Is a Sony Ericsson W810i, I am trying to get its pictures from the memory stick |
| 04:09.47 | asarch | But all I get from Kernel is: usb 2-2: device not accepting address 21, error -71 |
| 04:09.57 | valdyn | asarch: that kernel message is not a fatal error |
| 04:10.16 | valdyn | asarch: how do you figure that the device really is not working? |
| 04:10.22 | asarch | With dmesg |
| 04:10.32 | asarch | I cannot find its dev's entry |
| 04:10.33 | OhMyGods | Vasistha: Thank you, I want to learning about how to customize my debian. |
| 04:10.44 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 04:10.44 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 04:11.08 | OhMyGods | Vasistha: sorry, for my poor english. |
| 04:11.08 | Vasistha | OhMyGods: why do you want to customize it? Do you have some exotic system such that the stock kernel doesn't work for you? |
| 04:11.11 | asarch | WOW!!! |
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| 04:12.08 | OhMyGods | Vasistha: no,I just want to know such as minimize,develop, etc. |
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| 04:12.49 | valdyn | OhMyGods: and you decided to start with the hardest to understand part. |
| 04:12.56 | BUMBACL0T | does anyone here speak Tagalog/Filipino ? |
| 04:13.06 | cafuego | !ph |
| 04:13.07 | dpkg | somebody said ph was Public Humiliation, or the Philippines |
| 04:13.16 | cafuego | so sueful, dpkg |
| 04:13.23 | BUMBACL0T | and wants to start #debian.ph ? |
| 04:13.23 | OhMyGods | valdyn: haha, because I have already know about operating. |
| 04:13.45 | Vasistha | !tagalog |
| 04:13.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, tagalog is the official language of the Phillipines. Sumali sa #Debian-tl para sa talakayan ng Debian sa wikang tagalog |
| 04:13.52 | aztec105 | BUMBACL0T: humm a few bars and we will all take a stab at it :) |
| 04:13.53 | valdyn | !kp |
| 04:13.54 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 04:14.29 | cafuego | !ph is also See #Debian-tl for tagalog support. |
| 04:14.30 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 04:15.03 | OhMyGods | dpkg: thank you |
| 04:15.03 | dpkg | OhMyGods: no problem |
| 04:15.09 | asarch | !automount |
| 04:15.09 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
| 04:15.11 | Vasistha | !ph is also Sumali sa #Debian-tl para sa talakayan ng Debian sa wikang tagalog |
| 04:15.12 | dpkg | Vasistha: okay |
| 04:16.53 | bloodskin | thc being the key component |
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| 04:17.01 | Vasistha | whoa, one of those violent stoners, watch out |
| 04:17.11 | BUMBACL0T | do you speak it Vasistha? |
| 04:17.22 | aztec105 | ACKKK thats scary I am looking at my puter graveyard and I think for every system I have pillaged I have yanked an old 56.6 modem out of it or an old ATI video card LOL |
| 04:17.26 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: no, I just copied/pasted from the <tagalog> factoid |
| 04:17.35 | BUMBACL0T | and it's Philippines, not Phillipines |
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| 04:20.58 | Yggdrasil | vasisitha , gave me names that it said were not installed |
| 04:21.00 | nzk | How do I print an env/ |
| 04:21.58 | GeorgeS069 | IS there an easy way to switch the resolution in a console? |
| 04:22.20 | centrx | not in console |
| 04:22.34 | GeorgeS069 | or perhaps switch to a smaller font? |
| 04:23.04 | BUMBACL0T | yes, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restart x |
| 04:23.13 | amphi | GeorgeS069: consolechars to switch font |
| 04:23.18 | BUMBACL0T | or /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 04:23.31 | nzk | I keep getting errors that "dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH." what do i do? |
| 04:23.39 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: thanks |
| 04:23.51 | amphi | GeorgeS069: switching fonts will give more lines, but not more columns |
| 04:23.57 | Yggdrasil | george, just a console , not x ? |
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| 04:24.00 | centrx | that's not console |
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| 04:24.01 | centrx | that's X |
| 04:24.05 | Yggdrasil | haha |
| 04:24.09 | Yggdrasil | i was thinkign the same thing |
| 04:24.11 | dimm0k | is the Tickless System option in the new kernel good? |
| 04:24.12 | BUMBACL0T | oh nvm |
| 04:24.13 | Vasistha | Yggdrasil: are you sure you're searching on the right strings? |
| 04:24.23 | Yggdrasil | 2.6.20 |
| 04:24.23 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not using X on one of my systems |
| 04:24.24 | Yggdrasil | ? |
| 04:24.33 | Yggdrasil | george you need to change the freamebuff |
| 04:24.38 | Yggdrasil | in grub |
| 04:24.43 | dimm0k | yes, 2.6.20 |
| 04:24.43 | amphi | GeorgeS069: if you use fbconsole, and the driver supports it, you can use fbset to change res |
| 04:25.20 | Yggdrasil | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-15-generic root=UUID=c0a3cb09-4b6c-42ae-bbb |
| 04:25.20 | Yggdrasil | d-395f874cd6e3 ro quiet splash vga=773 |
| 04:25.29 | Yggdrasil | something like that in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:25.36 | nzk | Anyone know how to print a variable? |
| 04:25.41 | Yggdrasil | the vga 773 at the end does it |
| 04:25.43 | GeorgeS069 | Yggdrasil: ok thank you |
| 04:25.55 | Yggdrasil | theres also a default something or other |
| 04:25.56 | Vasistha | nzk: in bash? echo "$var" |
| 04:26.00 | GeorgeS069 | Like when I do vga=771 on my laptop :) |
| 04:26.00 | Yggdrasil | and u need fb up and runing |
| 04:26.01 | amphi | Yggdrasil: what fb driver does it use? vesa? |
| 04:26.08 | scott_ | i've created an lvm logical volume and inside of that, i create a new os using qemu. the os in the middle wanted to partition everything though, so the lvm not contains two partitions, one of which i need to grab data off of but cant.. is there some way to do that? |
| 04:26.11 | Vasistha | nzk: the quotes are not always required but they are if you want to preserve whitespace |
| 04:26.15 | Yggdrasil | dpends , |
| 04:26.23 | Yggdrasil | that gives me like 1024 on my consoles |
| 04:26.31 | scott_ | *now contains* |
| 04:26.35 | amphi | Yggdrasil: I've always specified the driver |
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| 04:26.39 | Yggdrasil | and this is an intel chpset so it basicly sucks as far as doing that sort of stuff goes |
| 04:26.46 | Yggdrasil | amphi, its before a driver |
| 04:26.57 | Yggdrasil | its like the fb stuff from kernel modules |
| 04:26.58 | Yggdrasil | ? |
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| 04:27.28 | GeorgeS069 | Yggdrasil: is ther a way to do that without a reboot? |
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| 04:27.33 | amphi | Yggdrasil: huh? which fb driver, is what I was asking? I guess it goes with vesa if you don't specify |
| 04:27.33 | Yggdrasil | uh |
| 04:27.34 | nzk | Vasistha, my $PATH is /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games, but I want it to be /usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin. How do I do that? export $PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
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| 04:27.50 | Yggdrasil | not that i know of |
| 04:28.02 | Yggdrasil | amphi, hmm good question |
| 04:28.03 | amphi | nzk: no '$' when assigning |
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| 04:28.23 | BUMBACL0T | export PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11" |
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| 04:31.34 | scott_ | using lvm, i did a lvcreate volNameHere, then a cfdisk /dev/vgName, then created a new partition, from which i need to be able to read data.. .is this easily possible? |
| 04:31.35 | nzk | Ahh! |
| 04:31.47 | nzk | I set the PATH just like dpkg wants, and it still complains |
| 04:31.58 | nzk | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
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| 04:33.33 | GeorgeS069 | Mucho Better...thanks Yggdrasil |
| 04:33.43 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 04:33.50 | Yggdrasil | np bud |
| 04:34.11 | Yggdrasil | if you change the line hat says # default vga=7?? |
| 04:34.19 | Yggdrasil | you dont have to do it on the kernel lin |
| 04:34.28 | Yggdrasil | but strangely you leave the # there |
| 04:34.33 | GeorgeS069 | I just added it to the kernel line |
| 04:34.37 | Yggdrasil | yea |
| 04:34.45 | Yggdrasil | it sometiems take a million reboots |
| 04:34.49 | Yggdrasil | gets annoying |
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| 04:35.21 | GeorgeS069 | It worked fine for me on the first try...I used vga=773 |
| 04:35.42 | Vasistha | nzk: alright, why don't we just manually check for them. they should be: /sbin/ldconfig /sbin/start-stop-daemon /usr/sbin/install-info /usr/sbin/update-rc.d why don't you just go look for those manually. |
| 04:35.43 | asarch | Nobody know anything about usb 2-2: device not accepting address 42, error -71 |
| 04:35.43 | Yggdrasil | if you update your kernel it will not pick it up is all |
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| 04:37.07 | scott_ | asarch: try a different usb port.. i think i get a similar error when i connect to the usb ports on the side of my laptop vs the ones on the back |
| 04:37.22 | nzk | Vasistha, well ldconfig is in /sbin/ |
| 04:37.25 | GeorgeS069 | not a problem...it's just an ethernet bridge...one I have it setup it's going to sit in a corner and I'll probably never hook up a monitor to it again |
| 04:37.37 | GeorgeS069 | s/one/once |
| 04:37.46 | jetscreamer | omfg that isn't #debian on oftc that's #ubuntu_the_second |
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| 04:38.13 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i accidentally deleted auth.log now it stops logging |
| 04:38.15 | Vasistha | nzk: and the others? |
| 04:38.42 | nzk | All there |
| 04:38.45 | nzk | where you said they are |
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| 04:39.28 | asarch | scott_: Ok, I'll try... |
| 04:39.48 | Vasistha | nzk: okay, so your path is still screwy. By default, the sbin directories should be in root's path. If they're not, then you must have done something funky. Are you using a gui/DE? |
| 04:40.06 | nzk | nope |
| 04:40.49 | Vasistha | nzk: well, perhaps you should log in directly as root, rather than using su. Or, use 'su -' with no other params. |
| 04:41.52 | Vasistha | nzk: you said something about 'su -m'. Why are you using '-m' ?? It obviously isn't working for you. |
| 04:42.21 | nzk | su - works |
| 04:42.25 | nzk | sudo installed |
| 04:43.06 | nzk | How do I add myself to the sudoers file? |
| 04:43.31 | Vasistha | man sudo is probably a good place to start |
| 04:43.57 | Vasistha | man sudoers, even |
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| 04:45.41 | Vasistha | why do people use sudo on a one-person machine? Seems awfully silly. |
| 04:46.24 | Kbez | Why not? |
| 04:46.43 | xoz_ | nzk: use visudo: your_username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 04:46.46 | Kbez | You don't want to be running root all the time... |
| 04:47.34 | xoz_ | and you don't want to enter passwd all the time to get root |
| 04:47.36 | daeos | msg dpkg ph |
| 04:49.02 | nzk | how do i get out of a manpage? |
| 04:49.14 | Vasistha | nzk: q |
| 04:49.30 | daeos | or if you are stuck in the bottom little help bar... ESC, :q |
| 04:49.49 | nzk | Anyone know how I can set up an irc server? |
| 04:49.53 | nzk | I have ircd-hybrid installed |
| 04:49.55 | Vasistha | well, I keep a root shell open most of the time. I can hypothesize a situation where that might be unwise, but I never find myself in such situations |
| 04:49.55 | nzk | I read the manpage |
| 04:50.14 | nzk | But I can't connect to myself with xchat or anything |
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| 04:50.39 | Vasistha | nzk: it's installed, but is it running? |
| 04:50.41 | daeos | Vasistha: people do it incase someone wants to get into your box and you have your root password stikied on the monitor for helping you remember |
| 04:50.45 | nzk | Yeah |
| 04:50.56 | daeos | nzk: forward your ports if you got a router? |
| 04:50.57 | nzk | /etc/init.d/ircd-hybrid start |
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| 04:51.09 | Vasistha | daeos: haha ... yeah, I guess it's a good idea in that case |
| 04:51.12 | nzk | How do I tell which port it's on? |
| 04:51.28 | \amethyst | nzk: you should read the documentation for your IRC server before running it |
| 04:51.31 | daeos | nzk: config file usually tells you |
| 04:51.38 | daeos | nzk: \amethyst has a good point |
| 04:52.13 | nzk | I did |
| 04:52.19 | Vasistha | ...there is probably some more thorough documentation in addition to the manpage. |
| 04:52.30 | hark | !helpfile ircd-hybrid |
| 04:52.31 | dpkg | For help with ircd-hybrid, look in /usr/share/doc/ircd-hybrid There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 04:52.33 | \amethyst | /usr/share/doc/ircd-hybrid/README.FIRST perhaps |
| 04:52.42 | xoz_ | nzk: README.Debian |
| 04:52.49 | daeos | prehaps.... all of those should be read |
| 04:53.07 | daeos | oh man.. i can't believe i get to say this..... RTFM ..... oh man that felt good |
| 04:53.14 | xoz_ | nzk: or grep -i port * |
| 04:53.43 | Vasistha | what I can't help wondering is why on earth he would need to run an ircd ... but it's not really my business |
| 04:54.05 | xoz_ | curiosity. that's why he runs linux. |
| 04:55.15 | daeos | maybe he wants to make a bot? |
| 04:55.15 | daeos | and test it on his home server |
| 04:55.16 | Vasistha | ah, both good reasons |
| 04:55.16 | simonrvn | 'getent services irc' |
| 04:55.16 | simonrvn | or such |
| 04:55.16 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 04:55.16 | daeos | i ran my own irc server just to have my dev team be able to talk to each other about 'private' things related to our project so that it would not be logged on a public log server |
| 04:55.23 | daeos | but then stopped since i never used it much |
| 04:55.30 | daeos | we just use aim now ;) |
| 04:56.01 | Vasistha | otr? |
| 04:56.40 | daeos | Vasistha: otr ?? |
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| 04:57.22 | Vasistha | daeos: otr = off the record, an encryption plugin for im. I know there's such a plugin for gaim, dunno about other clients. |
| 04:58.09 | daeos | oh! right, kinda nasty as its not fully usable on people who just use aim95 or aim6, so i use gaim but .... that prob will just send them junk like it did before in the past |
| 04:58.58 | pipeline | bah |
| 04:59.04 | pipeline | use a private jabber+conference server |
| 04:59.09 | pipeline | jabber supports SSL and TLS natively |
| 04:59.12 | pipeline | (SSL is legacy.) |
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| 05:00.24 | jackinson | Excuse me, I just have installed Debian 4 through Internet. But after successfull installation finish, I rebooted as said, but Debien hangs on booting. |
| 05:00.26 | jackinson | GEOMETRY (HD0) |
| 05:00.27 | muhoo | crap like -march=k8 -mtune=k8 -m64 absolutely does not belong in a debian makefile, correct? |
| 05:00.28 | jackinson | drive 0x80: C/H/S = 1023/255/63, ..... |
| 05:00.30 | jackinson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.31 | jackinson | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.32 | jetscreamer | lately in sudo you have to add the sudo group |
| 05:00.33 | jackinson | LAST THREE LINES WHEN GOT HANG: |
| 05:00.34 | jackinson | VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/debian-root" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 05:00.37 | jackinson | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 05:00.38 | jackinson | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 05:00.39 | jackinson | ??? |
| 05:00.46 | muhoo | the upstream put that shit in there |
| 05:00.53 | jetscreamer | %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 05:00.59 | daeos | jabber huh i'll do that hthen |
| 05:01.00 | daeos | then*( |
| 05:01.01 | muhoo | i'm thinking: doesn't gcc automatically optimise for the build architecture? |
| 05:01.03 | exobyte | I have two networks connected by a vlan tunnel. I'm trying to figure out the best way to get DNS working. I want DNS to work, even if the tunnel is down, so I need a server on each network. Beyond that, I'm trying to figure out stuff like if I should put them in different subdomains (foo.lan and bar.lan), the same domain, or foo.lan and .lan |
| 05:01.08 | muhoo | is stuff like -march=k8 -mtune=k8 -m64 even needed? |
| 05:01.18 | jackinson | I tried to resuce with the NETINST disk, but it is going to install the new system (including paritioning the disk) |
| 05:01.35 | daeos | pipeline: thanks for the idea! |
| 05:01.40 | daeos | pipeline: i'll do that instead |
| 05:01.45 | jetscreamer | jackinson: reinstall, but choose a -386 or -486 kernel to install |
| 05:01.49 | daeos | pipeline: plus gaim can connect to jabber too ;) |
| 05:01.52 | jackinson | jescreamer: what to do? I searched the Debian for whether there is any RESCUE disk image available, but not found. |
| 05:01.57 | pipeline | daeos: ed zachary |
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| 05:02.12 | jetscreamer | jackinson: just reinstall, but choose a -386 or -486 kernel to install |
| 05:02.42 | pipeline | daeos: http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp |
| 05:02.55 | jackinson | jetscreamer: ok. But I already installed using -386 images from http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/linux/Debian/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:03.26 | jackinson | jetscreamer: are you meaning that? |
| 05:03.38 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I see all the ISO's are -386 |
| 05:03.48 | daeos | pipeline: wonder if there is an etch package for it |
| 05:03.51 | jetscreamer | jackinson: that is good, but different from what i mean. i mean when it comes time to choose a kernel, choose one with either -386 or -486 at the end (i think they changed the 386's to 486) |
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| 05:04.26 | jackinson | jetscreamer: you mean it comes at during installation? |
| 05:04.46 | jetscreamer | so it would probably be linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 ... yeah when it asks you what kernel you want |
| 05:05.29 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I installed this debain. But I could remember any so, the system asked me while installation? |
| 05:05.43 | Amarande | heh, I wish gaim could connect to skype |
| 05:06.01 | nzk | I try to connect to my ircd server, but it keeps saying "unknown host, maybe you misspelled it?" |
| 05:06.04 | jetscreamer | jackinson: yes it should have... unless you have to choose the expert install mode for it to ask you. |
| 05:06.07 | daeos | rpms can be ran in deb right? or am i wrong |
| 05:06.14 | jetscreamer | not sure if you do... i always choose expert |
| 05:06.21 | damog | Amarande: Yeah, me too. |
| 05:06.23 | Amarande | nzk, which strain of ircd are you using? |
| 05:06.30 | nzk | ircd-hybrid |
| 05:06.39 | jackinson | jetscreamer: ok. But do not know how to go into expert mode. Can you remember the steps? |
| 05:06.42 | jetscreamer | daeos: alien can convert them to .deb... some ppl say it doesn't always work, but i have yet to see it |
| 05:06.48 | Amarande | ahh, Dianora code, then |
| 05:06.53 | Amarande | if there's one thing I remember about hybrid |
| 05:07.03 | Amarande | it's that Dianora is a BSD zealot and has a biting hatred of Linux |
| 05:07.21 | jetscreamer | jackinson: when the cd first boots, you type expert... hit the F1,F2,F3 and others, when the cd boots, for the install help/explanation |
| 05:07.25 | Amarande | and I probably just dated myself horribly now |
| 05:07.26 | nzk | What kind of ircd should I use then? |
| 05:07.30 | daeos | jetscreamer: alrighty thanks |
| 05:07.33 | Amarande | nzk, I usually prefer the undernet codebase |
| 05:07.46 | jackinson | jacksinson; thank you. now I am going to install. Have a nice day. bye. |
| 05:07.55 | jetscreamer | g'luck |
| 05:08.27 | pipeline | daeos: my guess would be no, but how would one know? it changes names like twice a week |
| 05:09.29 | jetscreamer | hey looks like uuid is the answer to udev borkedness after all |
| 05:09.49 | pipeline | I don't think there's an answer to udev borkedness |
| 05:09.51 | pipeline | udev is just a bad idea |
| 05:10.02 | muhoo | bork bork no bork |
| 05:10.04 | jetscreamer | well i mean a particular bork |
| 05:10.37 | nzk | Amarande, I installed that, but I can't find the INSTALL file... |
| 05:11.22 | Amarande | nzk, I'm not sure the Debian Way is best for ircd, anyhow |
| 05:11.37 | Amarande | ircd is normally compiled from source and installed under a user's home directory |
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| 05:12.41 | BUMBACL0T | hey, how come everytime i access my ftp server remotely it doesn't work, but it works locally? |
| 05:12.50 | cast | firewall |
| 05:12.54 | BUMBACL0T | the ftp server's ip is DMZ'd |
| 05:13.15 | GeorgeS069 | BUMBACL0T:perhaps it's only listening on the local interface |
| 05:13.24 | Goeland86 | hey guys, I'm new to debian, and maybe I'm stupid, but I wanted to setup apache with php and mysql. I did a netinstall with SQL database and webserver categories selected. Anything in particular I need to do? |
| 05:13.29 | BUMBACL0T | GeorgeS069, how can i tell? |
| 05:13.46 | cast | BUMBACL0T: with netstat |
| 05:13.55 | GeorgeS069 | check the config |
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| 05:18.08 | Goeland86 | hey, so seriously, I have a brand new system |
| 05:18.11 | Goeland86 | apache's installed |
| 05:18.15 | Goeland86 | but I need php and mysql |
| 05:18.23 | Goeland86 | anyone point me to what i need? |
| 05:18.34 | cafuego | Goeland86: sudo apt-get install libaapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 05:18.40 | cafuego | minus the typo3s |
| 05:18.43 | Goeland86 | cafuego: thanks |
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| 05:19.26 | nzk | Amarande, there is no INSTALL file :| |
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| 05:19.49 | Amarande | nzk, is there a README? |
| 05:19.55 | nzk | yeah |
| 05:19.58 | nzk | it says to read INSTALL |
| 05:20.04 | Amarande | well, perhaps you should do what the README file ... ahh |
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| 05:21.04 | nzk | <Install> Read INSTALL. |
| 05:21.10 | nzk | Thats basically what it says |
| 05:21.12 | jetscreamer | updatedb && locate INSTALL |
| 05:21.28 | Amarande | hmm, my ircu tarball has an INSTALL file |
| 05:22.23 | nzk | jetscreamer, nope |
| 05:22.34 | Amarande | here, try this tarball |
| 05:22.55 | jetscreamer | try that ball |
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| 05:23.50 | nzk | how do i transfer across ssh? |
| 05:23.57 | Amarande | nzk: use scp |
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| 05:24.01 | jetscreamer | scp, sshfs |
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| 05:24.05 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 05:24.19 | stew | kermit! |
| 05:24.33 | jetscreamer | gopher! |
| 05:29.20 | TraceGreen | hello, are there any ways to set X not use full screan? for example, just use middle(640x480) of screen? |
| 05:29.59 | Goeland86 | mmmk, I'm a n00b as far as mysql goes... how do I create a db for user x with passwd y? |
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| 05:32.52 | nzk | Amarande, where should I copy it to? |
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| 05:33.21 | Amarande | nzk, wherever the user account you want to run it from is |
| 05:33.36 | Amarande | either the home directory of the user on your system to run it as, or your home directory on your ircd shell |
| 05:33.42 | nzk | argh |
| 05:33.45 | nzk | it wont let me scp |
| 05:33.47 | nzk | permissions |
| 05:34.00 | nzk | nevermind, got it |
| 05:34.06 | CaT[tm] | hrm. should everything in the debian repo for etch be verifiable by keys from the debian-archive-keyring? |
| 05:34.19 | nzk | how do i untar? |
| 05:34.37 | Amarande | tar xzvf foo.tar.gz |
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| 05:35.00 | Amarande | you may want to do a tar tzvf first to see what the structure is |
| 05:35.07 | Amarande | but well behaved tarballs should untar to their own directory |
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| 05:35.35 | nzk | Amarande, now what do I do when I'm in it's directory? |
| 05:35.47 | CaT[tm] | i guess nobody knows of my woes? |
| 05:35.47 | Amarande | nzk, now you read the README |
| 05:35.53 | nzk | Amarande, ok |
| 05:40.05 | nzk | Amarande, It says "unknown host, maybe you misspelled it" when I try to connect to my server |
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| 05:41.41 | Amarande | nzk, you built and configured it already? |
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| 05:43.31 | nzk | I used the one in the repos |
| 05:43.50 | nzk | this is all i changed |
| 05:43.51 | nzk | M:192.168.2.6.OFFICE::Debian's ircd default configuration at localhost::1 |
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| 05:46.25 | unix_infidel | does the debian development team distribute virtual machine images for each release? |
| 05:46.56 | nzk | Amarande, do I need to change anything else? |
| 05:47.01 | nzk | Right now I just want to *connect* |
| 05:47.44 | Amarande | hmm, I was always under the impression that you needed an FQDN in the M line |
| 05:48.56 | nzk | FQDN? |
| 05:49.14 | stew | !fqdn |
| 05:49.15 | dpkg | it has been said that fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 05:49.30 | nzk | oh |
| 05:49.38 | nzk | i dont have one for that computer |
| 05:49.40 | nzk | just an ip |
| 05:53.44 | Amarande | hmm, lemme go through the source |
| 05:53.58 | kerouac | hello all |
| 05:54.38 | Amarande | hmm, must be a hybrid thing |
| 05:54.45 | Amarande | I don't find that string in the ircu2.10 tree |
| 05:55.33 | kerouac | my dumb question of the evening concerns apache2; what's the deal with the httpd.conf ? why is this file in /var/www when apache2.conf is the file being consulted |
| 05:55.37 | kerouac | ? |
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| 06:11.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:11.49 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 06:13.05 | Soul_Mx | Hi. I can't find this: How can I boot kernel 2.6.18 (Etch) with option hda=remap63? Kernel 2.6.8 it can. |
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| 06:13.30 | BUMBACL0T | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 06:13.30 | BUMBACL0T | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 06:13.34 | BUMBACL0T | why am i gettin this again? |
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| 06:17.37 | hark | run update again |
| 06:17.52 | BUMBACL0T | just did like 3 times |
| 06:18.32 | hark | are you able to Get or Hit the Release/Release.gpg ? |
| 06:18.51 | CaT[tm] | hrm. wtf. I'm sure lsb-base exists in etch |
| 06:20.32 | Soul_Mx | Like module? |
| 06:20.45 | BUMBACL0T | hark, nvm, fixed that problem |
| 06:21.25 | hark | by running the update a 4th time? |
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| 06:22.24 | BUMBACL0T | hark, no, i did: aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
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| 06:24.38 | hark | that's pretty much unnecessary, unless you played around with the apt keys |
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| 06:30.04 | brendonjt | gidday all |
| 06:30.32 | CaT[tm] | damn. how do I get dpkg to find packages for me? (ie version etc) |
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| 06:30.55 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:31.06 | Amarande | whoa, K-lined |
| 06:31.13 | Amarande | that's rare here |
| 06:31.43 | CaT[tm] | guerin: thought so. no workie though. drat. |
| 06:32.17 | scx | Hello, I need to run virus scanning for an email and a few file shares, what would be a good idea to use in an Enterprise environment |
| 06:32.18 | scx | ? |
| 06:32.38 | scx | clamav is getting me headaches with dazuko |
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| 06:35.00 | brendonjt | since etch has came out has there been many updates as i haven't had any |
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| 06:36.03 | CaT[tm] | sigh. apt-cache show shows lsb-base as existing but apt-get install says it doesn't. wtf? |
| 06:36.53 | liable | brendonjt: for a few apps. namely php4 and clamav |
| 06:36.57 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: what sort of package |
| 06:36.59 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:37.31 | brendonjt | liable, cheers for that, thought i was behind or something wrong with my install |
| 06:37.35 | liable | Amarande: not really |
| 06:37.50 | CaT[tm] | guerin: lsb-base itself. I can't install it |
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| 06:37.58 | Guerin | no, what sort of package? |
| 06:38.03 | archville | Hi. |
| 06:38.06 | Guerin | virtual, meta, normal? |
| 06:38.07 | CaT[tm] | guerin: what do you mean? |
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| 06:38.11 | CaT[tm] | guerin: ah |
| 06:38.27 | CaT[tm] | guerin: it's real. has a file in the pool. |
| 06:39.05 | Guerin | i get the same behaviour |
| 06:39.31 | CaT[tm] | i can't install exim4 or anything else atm. |
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| 06:39.43 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: Priority: required |
| 06:39.48 | CaT[tm] | yes. |
| 06:39.50 | Guerin | it's probably already installed |
| 06:39.54 | CaT[tm] | it's not |
| 06:40.10 | Guerin | why not? did you remove it? |
| 06:40.21 | scx | arghhh, this is what I call bad taste: http://www.michaellarabel.com/index.php?k=blog&i=116 |
| 06:40.23 | CaT[tm] | yeah. it wouldn't reinstall and I had a backports version |
| 06:40.42 | CaT[tm] | and the reason it wouldn't reinstall appears to be because it can't be installed |
| 06:40.50 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: grab the package from packages.d.o and install it manually |
| 06:40.58 | CaT[tm] | yeah. about to do that. |
| 06:41.07 | CaT[tm] | but of a whoopsie this. |
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| 06:43.39 | CaT[tm] | well that cuts down the not-upgraded count from 250+ to 6 :) |
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| 06:45.32 | suppaman | hello |
| 06:46.03 | CaT[tm] | is it me you're looking for? |
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| 06:47.22 | jordanb | Where do you get netinstall CD images of oldstable? |
| 06:47.48 | CaT[tm] | 994 packages to upgrade. whee |
| 06:48.51 | suppaman | does anyone know an open http proxy ? |
| 06:49.16 | streuner | squid? |
| 06:49.22 | jordanb | Heh. |
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| 06:49.47 | OmnipotentEntity | Hello, I'm having just a bit of trouble. When my CPU load gets around 3.5 beryl starts crashing X randomly. Does anyone know any workarounds or settings I could have fubared to make this happen? |
| 06:49.51 | streuner | open=open source ;-) |
| 06:49.53 | Supaplex | !tell suppaman -about search |
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| 06:50.01 | suppaman | nope I mean a working one |
| 06:50.01 | CaT[tm] | THAAAAR SHE BLOWS! |
| 06:50.15 | CaT[tm] | If I go offline it'll be cos the near 1000 package upgrade went wibbly |
| 06:50.19 | suppaman | not which software, I cannot use a proxy app on my computer |
| 06:50.37 | jordanb | suppaman, The onion router? |
| 06:50.41 | suppaman | I have to get a two piece file on rapidshare and I'm waiting 120 minutes between the two |
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| 06:50.58 | suppaman | I wasn't able to find a working one with google |
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| 06:51.46 | suppaman | jordanb: I'm searching for it |
| 06:52.09 | jordanb | So about oldstable cds? |
| 06:52.51 | liable | get them from debian.org |
| 06:53.35 | jordanb | right .. where? |
| 06:54.07 | jordanb | The easy-to-find sources only have stable and testing. |
| 06:54.42 | grew | why do you need older than stable |
| 06:54.45 | grew | stable is old enough |
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| 06:55.09 | jordanb | For my needs I need oldstable. |
| 06:56.10 | jordanb | If you look at the apache listings of the downlaod directories they also only have stable and testing, so the oldstable stuff has all been deleted for some reason. |
| 06:56.21 | liable | www.debian.org/releases |
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| 06:57.38 | liable | !archives |
| 06:57.38 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:57.47 | Guerin | jordanb: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/iso-cd/?fl= |
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| 06:58.42 | ivx | hello, |
| 06:58.48 | jordanb | Guerin, Ahh, thanks. |
| 06:59.09 | ivx | what would the command be to delete a directory? |
| 06:59.17 | Guerin | ivx: man rm |
| 07:00.21 | liable | !be a man barbie |
| 07:00.22 | dpkg | Aww, man is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 07:00.25 | Guerin | every six months or so for a reinstall |
| 07:00.40 | Guerin | liable: say no more, ehh |
| 07:02.19 | liable | must be good eyes you got! |
| 07:02.41 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 07:03.51 | streuner | Guerin: How's the weather in .nz? |
| 07:04.22 | Guerin | streuner: cool and rainy |
| 07:04.55 | Guerin | i was going to fish, but couldn't talk my wife into standing in the southerly for six hours |
| 07:05.12 | Guerin | so am at home smoking joints and making stew |
| 07:06.22 | streuner | well, that's not a bad life ;-) |
| 07:06.33 | Guerin | i agree |
| 07:06.48 | scx | isn't always cool and rainy there ? |
| 07:06.53 | Guerin | this stuff is grown less than 100m from my house |
| 07:07.00 | Guerin | streuner: hell no, this is the first rain in months |
| 07:07.14 | streuner | scx: ^^ |
| 07:07.18 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:07.19 | jordanb | heh, here the notherly winds are the bitter ones. |
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| 07:07.46 | Guerin | yes ... i've feld nothern hemisphere acrctic winds |
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| 07:08.28 | foo | 2.6.8-64gb-smp #1 SMP Sun Oct 22 16:02:34 PDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux -does this look like a default kernel built for debian sarge/ |
| 07:08.31 | foo | ? |
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| 07:08.33 | jordanb | We also call them canadian winds. |
| 07:08.51 | valdyn | foo: no |
| 07:08.57 | Guerin | foo: not quite |
| 07:09.11 | streuner | foo: nope |
| 07:09.17 | foo | valdyn / Guerin: So that was custom built then, aha, ok, thanks |
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| 07:09.19 | streuner | 2.6.8 was default in sarge |
| 07:09.39 | foo | ok |
| 07:09.43 | Guerin | foo: it looks like it has highmem support built in |
| 07:09.48 | foo | ah, I see |
| 07:10.00 | Guerin | but as i recall the highmem was built into all debian smp kernels |
| 07:10.05 | foo | ah |
| 07:10.06 | foo | ok |
| 07:10.07 | streuner | foo: can you give us the output of 'cat /proc/version' please? |
| 07:10.12 | Guerin | so I don't get why he's rebuilt i for that |
| 07:10.29 | foo | Linux version 2.6.8-64gb-smp (root@debian) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Sun Oct 22 16:02:34 PDT 2006 |
| 07:10.32 | foo | highmem = 4GB of RAM? |
| 07:10.48 | valdyn | foo: yes, but this looks like highmem64 |
| 07:11.04 | streuner | foo: not official, just a custom kernel built (prolly) in a debian box |
| 07:11.05 | foo | valdyn: Sorry, what does the 64 signify? |
| 07:11.10 | foo | mhmm, I see, ok |
| 07:11.15 | valdyn | foo: 64G support |
| 07:11.19 | foo | ahh |
| 07:11.20 | foo | ok |
| 07:11.32 | foo | 64G of RAM? Hah. |
| 07:12.29 | wols_ | foo: highmem = anything above 1GB |
| 07:12.33 | scx | valdyn: sure about it? |
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| 07:12.45 | valdyn | scx: about what exactly? |
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| 07:13.30 | foo | wols_: thanks |
| 07:13.38 | scx | looks like just a version to me |
| 07:14.03 | jordanb | 64GB of ram is the 'sweet spot' for microsoft vista ultimate premium. |
| 07:14.08 | scx | avtually highmem is above there 1024 ram modules |
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| 07:14.15 | foo | jordanb: haha. |
| 07:14.31 | scx | err: 3 x 1024 |
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| 07:15.39 | scx | it's just PAE |
| 07:15.58 | rahul | stoned. |
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| 07:16.02 | rahul | heh |
| 07:16.19 | streuner | rahul: ! :-) |
| 07:16.34 | rahul | I am the enabler |
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| 07:16.42 | rahul | now I just need some girls |
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| 07:17.39 | rahul | oh well. the one who wanted me last night... welll, I was 2 hours away |
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| 07:17.54 | rahul | and the one I want tonight isn't picking up her phone |
| 07:17.55 | sasas | ciao |
| 07:17.59 | CaT[tm] | ahh windows beat this. I get to listen to my music whilst doing a sarge->etch update. |
| 07:17.59 | sasas | !list |
| 07:17.59 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sasas |
| 07:18.02 | Trentster | hey all, If root mounts a nfs share to /mnt/share how do normal users get access to it, at the moment it gives access denied for normal users.. |
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| 07:18.36 | CaT[tm] | and X just works again |
| 07:18.46 | erikl | After a dvd-installation, do I have to get my own source.list then. Becuase after I install it points too the dvd |
| 07:19.00 | valdyn | !wikifaq Trentster Permissions |
| 07:19.00 | dpkg | Trentster: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 07:19.15 | streuner | Trentster: and read man mount, man exports |
| 07:19.32 | Trentster | streuner, thanks |
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| 07:20.27 | streuner | erikl: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:20.46 | erikl | I |
| 07:20.52 | erikl | 'm on archlinux atm |
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| 07:21.01 | valdyn | using mount to fix Permissions on nfs is probably silly, but whatever works. |
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| 07:21.56 | streuner | man mount points to other man-pages as well, he'll need the whole stuff in order to fix his NFS problems... |
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| 07:22.22 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 07:22.22 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 07:22.41 | streuner | same goes for 'debian based distros' as well |
| 07:22.58 | streuner | erikl: just join #archlinux or such |
| 07:23.16 | mhall | Is anybody else having a problem where, in 2.6.20.x, your NVIDIA SATA would discover all devices, but then in 2.6.21.x, it fails with PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #6:1000@dfefe000 for device 0000:80:07.0 |
| 07:23.18 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 07:23.18 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.22 | erikl | streuner: why? When I'm about to go to debian, but have problem with my source.list? |
| 07:23.36 | mhall | sata_nv: probe of 0000:80:07.0 failed with error -16 |
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| 07:23.52 | streuner | mhall: d-i? |
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| 07:24.12 | mhall | streuner: no. installed os. |
| 07:24.26 | mhall | streuner: problem fucks up my raid array though. it makes half the drives disappear. |
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| 07:25.09 | valdyn | erikl: you have to manually adjust /etc/apt/sources.list at least to remove the dvd |
| 07:25.47 | valdyn | ericx: but the _default_ setting should include the dvd and a network url for security updates, which is fine too |
| 07:26.22 | erikl | valdyn: but, I'd like to get packages over the net |
| 07:26.23 | valdyn | ericx: unless of course you need stuff off the 2nd dvd but only have the first - but that isn't to likely |
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| 07:26.46 | valdyn | ericx: edit /etc/apt/sources.list then |
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| 07:27.33 | erikl | valdyn: but I haven't really found anything usefull on google (source.list as keyword) |
| 07:27.43 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 07:27.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
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| 07:28.33 | xingu | mha |
| 07:28.36 | xingu | whoops |
| 07:29.10 | erikl | valdyn: ok, let me try this again. I'll be back soon, I hope |
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| 07:34.31 | xingu | the biggest problem with systems that have 64G of dram fitted I find is the 64G+ core dumps they produce. :) |
| 07:34.46 | liable | haha |
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| 07:36.07 | xingu | four years ago I would've thought 4G+ was big, but now my notebook has 2G and it all gets a bit passe |
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| 07:36.17 | jordanb | 4G+ is big. |
| 07:36.28 | jordanb | Honestly. |
| 07:36.37 | jordanb | From a programming standpoint. |
| 07:36.43 | xingu | I found myself thinking at work looking at one of the older boxes, "oh, this guy only has 24G, that's why it runs like crap" |
| 07:36.49 | jordanb | Unless you're processing massive amounts of data or something. |
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| 07:37.09 | xingu | that's what these fellas do, memory pinned object models |
| 07:37.09 | jordanb | You have to be phenominally incompetent to use that kind of memeory. |
| 07:37.28 | jordanb | I mean. |
| 07:37.35 | jordanb | What the hell are you putting in that memory? |
| 07:37.52 | xingu | it's not so much that they have 4G+ code sets, its that they use an object template library and have zillions of instances of each object type running away |
| 07:37.53 | xingu | each with their own thread local storage |
| 07:38.00 | jordanb | Firefox sure as f*ck doesn't download 200MB of data to consume 200MB worth of memory. |
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| 07:38.25 | jordanb | xingu, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's the result of good programming. :P |
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| 07:38.37 | xingu | it's certainly not optimised for small rss |
| 07:38.48 | xingu | they're treating dram as if it were persistent store |
| 07:38.59 | xingu | it's optimised for rapid development cycles |
| 07:39.04 | jordanb | It goes beyond that. |
| 07:39.37 | jordanb | If you were using a gig of disk that'd be obscene too. |
| 07:39.48 | jordanb | And I don't think 'rapid development cycles' has anything to do with it. |
| 07:39.53 | jordanb | I think it has more to do with bad design. |
| 07:40.01 | xingu | lots of the object model stuff we run (and we run a wodge of different suites) seem to sit at the 1-2G mark when doing anything productive and 32-64G when they're running full tilt |
| 07:40.13 | xingu | maybe |
| 07:40.32 | jordanb | You have a simple model and then you introduce a ton of stuff that doesn't fit so then you just code around it. |
| 07:40.35 | pabix | Hello. This is my problem: I installed minimal system on a computer and I would like to complete the installation via the network. |
| 07:41.01 | xingu | one of the quirks about data analytics is that it's all about continuous refinement of observed results; the problem being that if you decide you want a different view/relation, you can't go back in time and collect the bits you've decided weren't important back then |
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| 07:41.24 | xingu | so the temptation is collect everything and store it forever |
| 07:41.31 | xingu | and that's where the gobbage goes. |
| 07:41.37 | pabix | The problem is, DHCP works properly, but every HTTP request redirects to a university server who asks to log on. I would like to install a text-based browser to logon, and then perform the installation |
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| 07:42.04 | jordanb | I think we might be talking about different things. |
| 07:42.08 | pabix | So I would like to know: from another computer, which command could enable me to download DEB files for libssl + dependancies? |
| 07:42.13 | jordanb | Most of computing isn't data analytics. |
| 07:42.25 | xingu | no, this is a pretty specialised use-case I'll admit |
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| 07:42.54 | jordanb | Something that generates massive amounts of data and then uses massive resources to deal with that data.. I can't really find fault with that. |
| 07:43.02 | xingu | and most of computing has bloat due to unwise wholesale importation of foreign code+datasets associated with third party templates/libraries |
| 07:43.10 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.41 | wols_ | !tell pabix about apt-zip |
| 07:43.41 | pabix | wols_: yes. Now links says "This version of Links does not contain SSL/TLS support |
| 07:43.50 | pabix | So I have to install libs |
| 07:44.13 | pabix | thank you wols_ |
| 07:44.14 | wols_ | pabix: links2 oes |
| 07:44.19 | wols_ | *does |
| 07:44.25 | pabix | links2 ? |
| 07:44.29 | pabix | OK. Thank you |
| 07:44.36 | wols_ | links does not |
| 07:44.40 | xingu | one of the reasons /why/ my notebook has 2G of memory fitted for instance is that I got tired of trying to squeak iceweasel's ~300M hoofprint into a system that only had 256M physical |
| 07:45.04 | wols_ | xingu: iceweasel is interesting. I have a 128MB notebook |
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| 07:45.20 | wols_ | and it usually uses around 60-70MB |
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| 07:45.35 | xingu | wols_: the wife has 192M, win2k and a permanent frown every time it's touched. :) |
| 07:45.44 | xingu | I tell her it's character building |
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| 07:46.11 | Dewi | xingu: your wife has a permanent frown every time it's touched? |
| 07:46.13 | xingu | but secretly it lets me steal all the bandwidth when she gets frustrated and gives up |
| 07:46.22 | Dewi | xingu: unfortunate |
| 07:46.49 | xingu | Dewi: you know how it is when something's too big for the place it's gotta go |
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| 07:48.50 | xingu | oh nice |
| 07:49.01 | xingu | linux pmap is unable to guess at rss |
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| 07:49.22 | dutchfish | what steps do i need for setting up /dev/shm in dom-U within xen system, if it can be done? |
| 07:49.39 | xingu | that's an interesting question |
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| 07:50.22 | xingu | dutchfish: just mount a tmpfs there? |
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| 07:51.15 | dutchfish | xingu, of coarse, but is it worthwhile (using lvm2 already), do i need to mount a separate partition for it, or within its owning lvm2 partition? |
| 07:51.37 | xingu | dutchfish: shmfs is not file backed |
| 07:51.46 | xingu | dutchfish: literally, mount a tmpfs on /dev/shm |
| 07:52.08 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, but there is no /dev/shm in dom-U .... |
| 07:52.13 | xingu | mkdir... |
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| 07:52.23 | dutchfish | xingu, that simple? |
| 07:52.29 | xingu | yup, fraid so |
| 07:52.42 | dutchfish | !slap dutchfish |
| 07:53.43 | dutchfish | xingu, is it worthwhile in a 1G ram dom-U? |
| 07:53.49 | xingu | I wonder if anyone's working on cross-domain shared shared memory. |
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| 07:54.09 | xingu | dutchfish: you'll probably find one or two applications that require it |
| 07:54.32 | dutchfish | xingu, apache2 under heavy load (or ligh httpd) |
| 07:54.37 | scx | is there an "on-access" antivir that does not use dazuko? |
| 07:54.55 | xand | what's an "antivir"? |
| 07:54.58 | xingu | dutchfish: on the down side, there's no hint to the dom0 kernel that shm domu regions should be swapped as a last resort |
| 07:55.11 | dutchfish | xingu, right |
| 07:55.14 | xingu | dutchfish: so under heavy pressure you're going to trigger some pretty lethal worst-case behaviour |
| 07:55.14 | scx | antivir=antivirus |
| 07:56.06 | dutchfish | xingu, thank you for info :) |
| 07:56.13 | xingu | dutchfish: yes I think apache needs shmfs |
| 07:56.50 | dutchfish | xingu, maybe mysql5 is also a candidate |
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| 07:57.30 | dutchfish | xingu, anyway i will try it out tonight |
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| 07:59.33 | mkl1525 | Hi, I've got a red hat script that I'd like to use in debian. there's a killproc command that seems to kill a proc by name "killproc /usr/local/qloader/qloader.pl" is there a similar prog in debian? haven't found it using apt-file |
| 07:59.59 | wols_ | mkl1525: killall |
| 08:00.05 | dutchfish | mkl1525, killall |
| 08:00.23 | mkl1525 | thanks |
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| 08:02.09 | ChrisW | hey all, what happens if /etc/fstab isn't accurate? |
| 08:02.24 | netdaemon | you'll have problems |
| 08:02.27 | dutchfish | xingu, just did a quick tryout, i need xen kernel for this instead of xen-vserver kernel |
| 08:02.27 | netdaemon | with booting |
| 08:02.31 | netdaemon | mounting drives, etc |
| 08:02.48 | Dewi | ChrisW: boot will probably halt and ask what tqo do |
| 08:03.03 | ChrisW | netdaemon: you say that, but looking at my /etc/fstbas, the mount for / is wrong since I upgraded to etch, and yet the machine boots fine |
| 08:03.12 | Dewi | ChrisW: how is it wrong? |
| 08:03.21 | netdaemon | interesting o_O |
| 08:03.33 | Dewi | (why would upgrading to etch change / ? ) |
| 08:03.42 | blinx | I removed beryl and now I have no window bars |
| 08:03.53 | blinx | my metacity won't be started |
| 08:03.57 | ChrisW | Dewi: move to 2.6 kernel, remapping of SATA device names... |
| 08:04.05 | blinx | where I can change my default window manager? |
| 08:04.15 | Dewi | ChrisW: from sda to sdb or something? |
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| 08:04.40 | Dewi | ChrisW: the kernel isn't mentioned in fstab though |
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| 08:05.06 | ChrisW | well, /etc/mtab currently shows: /dev/sda1 / ext3, while /etc/fstab shows LABEL=/ / |
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| 08:05.29 | ChrisW | the LABEL stuff was something someone here suggested to get the disk to mount correctly in both 2.4 and 2.6, it didn't work ;-) |
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| 08:06.14 | Dewi | ChrisW: what does fstab say about / ? |
| 08:06.29 | ChrisW | Dewi: er, I did just tell you: LABEL=/ / |
| 08:06.44 | Dewi | ChrisW: some slashes and spaces? where's the device identifier |
| 08:06.59 | ChrisW | yeah, I kinda guessed that ;-) |
| 08:07.09 | ChrisW | I hadn't either, and it certainly doesn't work with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 08:07.24 | ChrisW | it seems that the only important thing is to have the correct partition in grub... |
| 08:07.31 | Dewi | ChrisW: is your label really a bunch of spaces? not very unique :P |
| 08:07.49 | ChrisW | when I had the BAEL stuff in grub, the machine didn't boot, just kernel panicked when ti got to mounting to the root filesystem |
| 08:08.11 | ChrisW | Dewi: ffs, you having reading trouble today? LABEL=/ see the slash there? |
| 08:08.13 | Dewi | ChrisW: I'm confused though... you said you used LABEL so that device names wouldn't matter, and that it didn't work, and yet you are booting with no other root mount definition in your fstab... so it sounds very much like it DID wrk |
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| 08:08.54 | ChrisW | Dewi: that's my point, it didn't work in GRUB, and yet it either DOES work in /etc/fstab, or what's in /etc/fstab doesn't matter |
| 08:09.08 | ChrisW | and I'm erring on the latter... |
| 08:09.24 | pabix | wols_: I am sorry, but the documentation of apt-zip is very bad |
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| 08:09.44 | Dewi | ChrisW: well, I guess to read /etc/fstab, it already has to have / mounted in order to read fstab |
| 08:09.52 | Dewi | ChrisW: so maybe it doesn't matter, at least not directly during boot |
| 08:09.53 | ChrisW | yeha, right... |
| 08:10.04 | ChrisW | so I guess my question is "when else does it matter"? |
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| 08:10.15 | Dewi | ChrisW: maybe grub uses it. This is pure speculation of course |
| 08:10.16 | MaSCi | Hi all |
| 08:10.27 | ChrisW | nope, grub has its own paths |
| 08:10.29 | Dewi | ChrisW: I don't mean grub when at boot time, I mean grub when you install it |
| 08:10.37 | MaSCi | I have a problem can anyone help me pls? |
| 08:10.41 | ChrisW | !ask |
| 08:10.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:11.46 | suppaman | mm where can I get the telnet sources? |
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| 08:11.50 | MaSCi | I have problem with Apache and PHP! I want to install hlstatsx on my rootserver (debian) and my problem is, that apache doesnt "show" the PHP files |
| 08:11.56 | erikl | !source.list |
| 08:11.57 | pabix | suppaman: apt-get source telnet |
| 08:11.57 | ChrisW | suppaman: why'd ya want them? |
| 08:12.02 | suppaman | not with apt |
| 08:12.05 | MaSCi | sry for bad english^^ (german? |
| 08:12.09 | Dewi | suppaman: why not with apt? |
| 08:12.28 | ChrisW | MaSCi: sounds like you might have more luck on #apache |
| 08:12.28 | suppaman | ChrisW: have a look |
| 08:12.34 | rambo3 | MaSCi, zis is zi problem of ze e3nmod php |
| 08:12.39 | rambo3 | a2 |
| 08:12.44 | suppaman | Dewi: I'd prefer a tar.gz |
| 08:12.49 | ChrisW | suppaman: but why? why on earth would anyone use tlenet in this day and age? ;-) |
| 08:12.49 | MaSCi | rambo3: what can i do against? |
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| 08:12.55 | Dewi | suppaman: debian sources don't come in tarballs |
| 08:13.05 | suppaman | Dewi: I didn't asked for debian sources |
| 08:13.10 | xingu | ChrisW: because it works far better on high loss/ delay links? |
| 08:13.11 | Dewi | suppaman: then be more specific |
| 08:13.18 | rambo3 | MaSCi, just enable the php module iwth a2nmod php[4-5] |
| 08:13.31 | ChrisW | xingu: that doesn't make it any less hackabele... |
| 08:13.35 | suppaman | does anyone know where a could get a telnet source tarball? |
| 08:13.39 | ChrisW | eesh, hackable |
| 08:13.51 | MaSCi | rambo3: sry i am german and a debian noob^^ can u explain it to me? THank You |
| 08:13.53 | ChrisW | suppaman: try www.gnu.org |
| 08:14.09 | suppaman | ChrisW: they are not there |
| 08:14.13 | suppaman | already searched |
| 08:14.16 | rambo3 | MaSCi, search debian-adminstration for apache and php |
| 08:14.16 | erikl | valdyn: what was that !source.list, something like that... |
| 08:14.43 | ChrisW | yeah, I noticed... despite being such violent proponents of "open source" software, trying to actually find any source code for gnu utilities is like getting blood from a stone... |
| 08:15.00 | Dewi | ChrisW: is telnet gnu? |
| 08:15.01 | xingu | suppaman: netkit |
| 08:15.02 | suppaman | I look obviously in telnet man page and I found only "The Telnet command appeared in 4.2BSD." and " The source code is not comprehensible." |
| 08:15.03 | Coweater | suppaman: if you grabbed the debian source in it's readme there's a url for it ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netkit |
| 08:15.03 | MaSCi | rambo3: with apt-cache search? i just have SSH access |
| 08:15.11 | dutchfish | i am altering a kernel module in a testsystem, after compile i simply want to copy it to the module dir, do i need to recreate initrd image, or reboot the kernel, or is simply using modprobe enough, because installing a complate kernel everytime during development is time consuming |
| 08:15.15 | ChrisW | Dewi: I'm sure they have an implementation |
| 08:15.26 | ChrisW | MaSCi: -> #debian.de |
| 08:15.27 | xingu | suppaman: but you already knew that because the package Source: line gave you the hint. |
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| 08:15.42 | suppaman | Coweater: well the point was just to avoid gett deb source, I could have done a tarball by myself |
| 08:15.57 | suppaman | xingu: oh right! I didn't thought of apt-cache show |
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| 08:16.04 | xingu | I don't think the GNU project ever wrote a telnet client |
| 08:16.18 | rambo3 | MaSCi, no i told you to search for howto |
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| 08:16.40 | suppaman | Coweater: thanks anyway |
| 08:16.40 | xingu | which is hardly surprising when you think who put the B into both BSD and bezerkley sockets |
| 08:16.57 | Dewi | suppaman: I think telnet was originally from something called the linux netkit |
| 08:17.28 | Dewi | suppaman: wait a minute, didn't coweater just give you a URL? |
| 08:17.32 | xingu | netkit itself is effectively a porting toolkit for bsd4.something sockets userland if something serves |
| 08:18.21 | pabix | suppaman: try nc |
| 08:18.25 | pabix | or netcat |
| 08:18.46 | Dewi | I'm so confused here. Didn't suppaman just get exactly what he asked for? a tarball for telnet here: ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/linux/Networking/netkit ? |
| 08:20.13 | wols_ | dutchfish: all depends if you need the module for booting or not. what module is it= |
| 08:20.27 | dutchfish | wols_, i am tweaking yealink.c |
| 08:20.41 | wols_ | what is yealink? |
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| 08:20.48 | dutchfish | wols_, a phone driver |
| 08:20.50 | wols_ | for what hardware is it? |
| 08:20.59 | dutchfish | wols_, voip phones |
| 08:21.01 | wols_ | then you don't need it for bootin. no need for messing with initrd |
| 08:21.06 | suppaman | Dewi: Cowater did, I thanked him too and I'm already looking at the contents |
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| 08:21.22 | dutchfish | wols_, ok, so i dont need to reboot either? |
| 08:21.25 | wols_ | after copying it to the module dir you need to do depmod -a if you want use modprobe |
| 08:21.28 | Dewi | suppaman: cool |
| 08:21.31 | suppaman | indeed |
| 08:21.39 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:21.39 | wols_ | but when you use insmod, you don't need to copy or run depmod |
| 08:22.09 | dutchfish | wols_, there i run into problem, the kernel loads the old 1 |
| 08:22.29 | wols_ | when does it do this? |
| 08:22.32 | wols_ | !tell dutchfish about errors |
| 08:22.40 | dutchfish | wols_, on 2nd alteration |
| 08:23.04 | wols_ | two ways: delete the one in modules dir. Or insmod ./yealink.ko |
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| 08:23.18 | christianp | hi * |
| 08:23.21 | wols_ | if you delete the modules dir one: don#t forget depmod -a |
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| 08:24.14 | dutchfish | wols_, the last 1 (insmod ./yealink.ko) fails by still loading the old 1 |
| 08:24.38 | dutchfish | wols_, thats why i asked |
| 08:24.51 | dutchfish | wols_, on errors on load |
| 08:24.55 | christianp | i'd like to install my etch in a server with RAID1 (hardware) enabled. Have i to add some parameters to the install command? I try installing with default values (press enter at boot:), but after installation the system doesn't boot |
| 08:25.01 | dutchfish | wols_, on = no* |
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| 08:26.48 | wols_ | dutchfish: what kind of RAID? mdadm? |
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| 08:27.34 | dutchfish | wols_, no raid, but under xen dom-u |
| 08:28.05 | wols_ | sry. should have been christianp |
| 08:28.23 | wols_ | christianp: what kind of RAID? mdadm? THe etch installer should handle tht on its own |
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| 08:29.30 | dutchfish | wols_, found it: if insmod ./yealink.ko fails (silently) it defaults to the 1 in the modules dir ;) |
| 08:30.14 | wols_ | nd if there is none in modules dir, ther will be an error shown |
| 08:30.22 | dutchfish | wols_, yup |
| 08:30.22 | wols_ | the silent fail is a bit troublesome tho |
| 08:30.58 | dutchfish | wols_, yes, this is in etch, in sarge it wasnt that way |
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| 08:32.02 | suppaman | how nice |
| 08:32.03 | suppaman | it works |
| 08:32.31 | dutchfish | wols_, btw the error in origenal: drivers/usb/input/yealink.c: unexpected response fd (thats puzzling me) |
| 08:33.01 | dutchfish | wols_, i cant reach the mainatner of the package |
| 08:33.10 | dutchfish | wols_, maintaner* |
| 08:33.16 | christianp | wols_: the server has OnBoard SATAII RAID Controller. I Create the RAID with "Intel Application Accelerator RAID Option ROM" |
| 08:33.46 | christianp | i create it before etch installation |
| 08:33.59 | humbolto | is there a way to put an Xnest session on a workspace in full screen without window surroundings? |
| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | wols_, effectivily my system freaks out of thousands of messages when i insert its usb connection |
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| 08:34.39 | christianp | i suppose i have to install etch with i2o modules, but i don't know how to tell this to the installer ;) |
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| 08:37.21 | dutchfish | wols_, also blacklisting it doesnt work because the autodetect system still tries to load it |
| 08:37.57 | anapivirtua | Bonjour / Hi / Ola |
| 08:39.14 | dutchfish | wols_, ill figure it out to gracefully let it end, thx for your help so far :) |
| 08:41.12 | scx | anapivirtua: Hola |
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| 08:43.54 | dutchfish | wols_, hola ... seams that the manufacturer of those device uses the same UID for ALOT of simular device ... jezz (yealink phones) |
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| 08:45.17 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: hi |
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| 08:45.41 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: installation is ok, but now the problem is the fixed frequency monitor... X won't work with it... |
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| 08:47.07 | setog3 | !nvidia |
| 08:47.08 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 08:49.08 | setog3 | hi, I have a little problem with nvidia driver, I have install it using module-assistant, and I install the nvidia-glx too, but don't know I have reboot and now I can't get Xorg running with nvidia driver (with nv all is working fine expect glx), somebody can help me ? I get no error in /var/log/Xorg.log .. |
| 08:49.51 | setog3 | hmm sorry to ask that I find a solution, I have reinstall nvidia-glx (with apt-get install --reinstall) , and now X run with nvidia .. :D |
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| 08:59.59 | suppaman | bye |
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| 09:00.15 | xored | should i use mod_perl odr fast_cgi tun run a perl web application under apache(twiki) |
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| 09:08.35 | cat | ~sound |
| 09:08.49 | cat | ~audio |
| 09:09.07 | apt | it has been said that audio is usually a codec issue. start with trying to set 'disallow=all' and 'allow=alaw' in sip.conf or the channel's config file if not using sip |
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| 09:09.26 | cat | hey everytime i boot up my Debian. i do not have sound i do alsaconf and after that i ahve sound any ideas? |
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| 09:13.10 | utrrrongeeb | Whenever I try to install a packages from a set of Etch DVDs, I get the "untrusted source" error message. How do I reset the keys for the DVDs? By the way, I don't have an internet connection in Debian yet... |
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| 09:14.47 | phatmonkey | df and du are showing different values, getting errors that disk is full even though half that data appears to be there: df -h: "/dev/md1 367G 349G 0 100% /store" du -sh store: "162G store". i have tried mount -o remount. it's an ext3 filesystem |
| 09:15.31 | peterS | phatmonkey: usually that's a result of having some huge files that you've just deleted but some app is still holding open |
| 09:15.48 | peterS | phatmonkey: until the last process closes a file, its allocated space does not get freed |
| 09:15.55 | peterS | even after you've deleted the file |
| 09:16.20 | phatmonkey | yeah, i deleted a 180gb disk image! |
| 09:16.31 | phatmonkey | peterS, i'll have a look to see if anything has it open, thanks |
| 09:16.31 | peterS | phatmonkey: so, something still has that disk image open, I'm guessing |
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| 09:16.49 | phatmonkey | peterS, hazah, it's still mounted |
| 09:17.05 | peterS | phatmonkey: heh, that would do it |
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| 09:19.27 | phatmonkey | peterS, but umount locks up when i try to umount it now |
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| 09:19.56 | peterS | phatmonkey: sometimes umount takes awhile, when a mount point is busy or has had lots of stuff written to the filesystem recently |
| 09:20.22 | phatmonkey | i'll be patient then. thanks for the help - this'll probably work |
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| 09:21.52 | fyodor | hi, I have a free software project , and I need python developers , who wants to help me ? for more info send private messages |
| 09:23.35 | liable | fyodor: start a sourceforge project |
| 09:23.52 | fyodor | I have already a project |
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| 09:24.02 | fyodor | at savannah.gnu.org |
| 09:24.06 | fyodor | liable, |
| 09:24.15 | fyodor | but I need one more develoer |
| 09:24.48 | peterS | fyodor: if your project isn't related to Debian, it's not really on topic here |
| 09:24.52 | zebedeee | Hi all. Have a problem with nfs export permissions. Regardless of options on /etc/exports on the host, the client complains that write permission is denied. How can I validate whether it is a server or client issue? |
| 09:24.56 | liable | ask in #python |
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| 09:25.26 | erikl | Does debian handle all init-scripts by magic? |
| 09:25.27 | triplc | cd .flu |
| 09:25.28 | xand | zebedeee: do your uids and gids match up? |
| 09:25.36 | peterS | erikl: depends what you mean by magic |
| 09:25.50 | fyodor | peterS, it's developed in debian |
| 09:25.54 | triplc | sorry |
| 09:26.03 | liable | erikl: and a little bit of voodoo too! |
| 09:26.06 | peterS | fyodor: that's all very well but what does it have to do with debian? |
| 09:26.13 | erikl | peterS: not like gentoo |
| 09:26.26 | erikl | rc-update add dbus boot |
| 09:26.29 | peterS | erikl: I have no idea what gentoo does with init scripts, so I still don't know what your question is |
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| 09:26.51 | zebedeee | xand: At this point, I'm only trying to export and mount as root on both systems, so I haven't specified uid/gid in /exports or /fstab |
| 09:27.03 | fyodor | peterS, it delets debian !! |
| 09:27.18 | xand | zebedeee: you need no_root_squash if you want root to work |
| 09:27.19 | peterS | fyodor: that doesn't sound very useful |
| 09:27.31 | xand | zebedeee: otherwise root on the client will be treated as "nobody" |
| 09:27.52 | xand | zebedeee: uid/gid aren't mount options |
| 09:28.01 | fyodor | peterS, just joking , its just developed there , because I'm a debian user |
| 09:28.08 | zebedeee | Ah - I see. So my attempt at making it easier to set up, actually killed it? |
| 09:28.12 | erikl | how can I easly handle which init scripts that should be started under boot |
| 09:28.16 | triplc | How to set font in iceweasel & icedove while in fluxbox? I switch to fluxbox (just to play) and see all the settings about fonts/gtk theme are gone. After checking/asking, I see that I can use gtk-theme-switch2 (apt-get gtk-theme-switch) to set those things in fluxbox environment. (which create .gtkrc-2.0 file). However, I see that all those changes are applied to other application, but iceweasel/icedove only have theme changed; the font does not change |
| 09:28.24 | liable | !services |
| 09:28.41 | triplc | erikl: /etc/rc.local |
| 09:28.48 | wols_ | erikl: man update-rc.d |
| 09:28.50 | fyodor | peterS, I have a problem to blacklist some modules |
| 09:28.52 | liable | wheres that lazy bot gone! |
| 09:28.59 | peterS | fyodor: your request for developers looks a lot like spam to me. because it isn't related to Debian, _and_ you don't actually give any details about the project, except that it's in python, which I mean who really cares, if we care at all we care about what the project _is_, not what it's written in |
| 09:29.02 | wols_ | triplc: that's not right |
| 09:29.06 | cat | hey everytime i boot up my Debian. i do not have sound i do alsaconf and after that i ahve sound any ideas? |
| 09:29.07 | xand | zebedeee: erm what line do you have in the exports file? |
| 09:29.17 | zebedeee | xand: I've seen uid/gid set as fstab options previously (e.g. on smb mounts), but I hadn't attempted it with nfs |
| 09:29.26 | erikl | wols_, triplc: thanks |
| 09:29.29 | xand | zebedeee: they dont work with nfs |
| 09:29.40 | triplc | wols_: I misunderstant his question |
| 09:29.44 | xand | zebedeee: smb mounts are completely different to nfs ones |
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| 09:30.04 | fyodor | peterS, http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/aping/ |
| 09:30.29 | peterS | fyodor: don't ask me to follow a link. tell me what your project does. better yet, tell some _other_ channel what the project does. unless it really is debian-related. |
| 09:30.38 | zebedeee | xand: at the moment /etc/exports is " /mnt/ipod 192.168.0.13(rw)" - making sure I removed the space before the (rw) |
| 09:31.09 | zebedeee | xand: I'll add the no_root_squash option and give it a go |
| 09:31.32 | xand | zebedeee: if you want root to be able to have root privileges on it, you'll need that option on the server |
| 09:31.38 | fyodor | peterS, I'm to lazy , it's fucked up . . . in one palace ! |
| 09:31.53 | peterS | buh-bye now |
| 09:32.00 | erikl | nice, thanks |
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| 09:32.49 | zebedeee | xand: Success! Many thanks - I'd spent quite a while getting that to work |
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| 09:35.02 | utrrrongeeb | Whenever I try to install a packages from a set of Etch DVDs, I get the "untrusted source" error message. How do I reset the keys for the DVDs? By the way, I don't have an internet connection in Debian yet... |
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| 09:36.05 | nettie | hi guys, does debian 4.0 amd64 arch supports also x86_64 arch please? |
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| 09:36.58 | guhhh | i cant load konversation, i get some errors, can someone help? i get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18062/ |
| 09:36.58 | peterS | nettie: amd64 is the same thing as x86-64 |
| 09:36.58 | peterS | so yes |
| 09:36.58 | nettie | peterS I was pretty sure.. but who knows :) |
| 09:37.03 | peterS | right |
| 09:37.06 | nettie | thanx a lto |
| 09:37.06 | nettie | lot |
| 09:37.20 | scx | well the forer is the processor and the second the architecture |
| 09:37.32 | scx | but "yes" |
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| 09:38.52 | laza | Hi! linux-image-2.6-k7 dependency is broken in unstable. Is this due to the transition from 18 to 20? |
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| 09:40.08 | peterS | laza: yes, this is why it is called "unstable" - packages sometimes are not in synch and this causes inconveniences that you just have to learn to live with |
| 09:40.22 | peterS | laza: yes, it's because the kernel moved from 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 |
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| 09:41.00 | diclophis | how does a command return "Killed" >?? |
| 09:41.33 | peterS | diclophis: the command itself doesn't say that, the shell tells you that, when a command exits with exit status 137, which means it was killed with signal number 9 |
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| 09:41.49 | suser | hi all ! |
| 09:41.57 | peterS | diclophis: if you do 'kill -KILL 12345', then process 12345 will exit in that fashion |
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| 09:42.06 | suser | I wanted to ask, why does Debian comes with a very strange runlevel system? |
| 09:42.07 | sylvanthis | !italy |
| 09:42.14 | sylvanthis | !italy |
| 09:42.18 | eike | i try to install a triple boot system with debian, xp and vista. but when i reinstall lilo after vista installation, vista doesn't boot anymore ("autochk program not found"), while xp does. this is reproducible. any experiences, help, ...? |
| 09:42.24 | noi_mile | diclophis, a command can intercept SIGTERM and act accordingly (close files, etc), and even say 'Killed!' before exiting. |
| 09:42.24 | suser | That is: I'm running "X" in Runlevel 2 or 3, completely illogically. |
| 09:42.31 | peterS | sylvanthis: c'è #debian-it su questa rete |
| 09:42.47 | diclophis | yea, but its my command, and i havnt programmed that |
| 09:42.57 | sylvanthis | lol, but yesterday !italy did something cool |
| 09:42.59 | nettie | peterS I never installed debian, I always used redhat and related for years, mslty on servers. I'm installing a desktop now, I see the options are single cd or double DVD. Should I go with the DVD set to get a working gnome desktop? Thanx again. |
| 09:43.00 | laza | peterS: Thanks. I was not complaining just asking, wasn't I. I'm well aware to be running unstable, but asking shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:43.38 | sylvanthis | !ping |
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| 09:43.53 | sylvanthis | ahh all the cool thing's don't work :( |
| 09:44.04 | noi_mile | nettie, DVD allows you to download less during / after installation. If your net connection is good, you can go with CD and install the rest via net. |
| 09:44.05 | peterS | nettie: I don't recommend DVD sets for most people - if your workstation has reasonable Internet access it's just as simple to burn a 'netinst' CD (200 MB or less) and install from that - anything that isn't on the CD will be pulled down off the mirrors when you need it. you'll end up downloading a lot _less_ than a DVD of data, all told |
| 09:44.28 | peterS | sylvanthis: please botsturbate in private, not in public |
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| 09:44.47 | nettie | peterS || noi_mile thanx a lot guys, got the point |
| 09:44.48 | sylvanthis | ok sorry |
| 09:44.49 | hl | hi all |
| 09:44.50 | hl | I have a network probem: I always had a dynamic ip untill my dhcp broke (the wireless station). So i used ifconfig to set a static ip but I had to set it again all the times that i rebooted. Now I have my dhcp back but i can't set again the dynamic ip as early... how I have to do it? |
| 09:45.38 | peterS | hl: try this: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 09:45.56 | hl | just another thing... I halso setted the /etc/resolv.conf with "nameserver n? dns" |
| 09:46.21 | peterS | I'm not touching resolv.conf, not since etch ships with the resolvconf package, which annoys me greatly |
| 09:46.36 | scx | May I know where the "Lenny" name comes from? |
| 09:46.44 | scx | is it the Simpson's ? |
| 09:46.56 | peterS | scx: all the Debian release names come from a movie "Toy Story" |
| 09:47.02 | sylvanthis | hl, and configure /etc/network/interfaces set it to auto eth0 |
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| 09:47.10 | peterS | scx: Lenny is a talking pair of binoculars in that movie |
| 09:47.15 | sylvanthis | hl, and resolv.conf gets overwritten everytime you run dhcp |
| 09:47.16 | scx | peterS: is there a Lenny in the film? |
| 09:47.23 | scx | ah! |
| 09:47.28 | scx | ok |
| 09:47.33 | peterS | scx: Lenny is a very small part, I understand. (I haven't seen Toy Story) |
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| 09:47.40 | xingu | neat |
| 09:48.05 | peterS | scx: if you've seen it, then you know what the previous release names mean: buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge |
| 09:48.34 | peterS | and etch |
| 09:48.49 | scx | heh :) I was a fetus when buzz |
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| 09:49.05 | scx | err: woddy |
| 09:49.13 | peterS | I didn't start using debian until somewhere around the bo release |
| 09:49.39 | peterS | aka Debian 1.2 |
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| 09:49.43 | scx | peterS: well if there are kids around, you see the movie, in parts but you see it |
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| 09:50.11 | Lamperi | is slink the dog? |
| 09:50.27 | peterS | it's the thing with the spring in the middle, I guess it's a dog |
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| 09:50.48 | nettie | peterS I'm also seeing etch sports a pretty old gnome version, does a most updated one is available in a repository or I should go from scratch? |
| 09:51.40 | hl | sylvanthis: interfaces is blank... what have i to write in? |
| 09:51.50 | sylvanthis | hl, auto eth0 |
| 09:51.55 | sylvanthis | and the line below needs: |
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| 09:52.18 | sylvanthis | hl, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 09:52.39 | peterS | nettie: does gnome come with an expiration date, after which it stops working? 2.14 is like a year old, the gnome project is a great deal older than that. the project seems rather mature to me, so a year of development ain't what it used to be |
| 09:52.49 | sylvanthis | hl, of course, adjust the interface (eth0 here) to you re device |
| 09:52.59 | sylvanthis | your* |
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| 09:53.04 | Bawbag | isn't dpkg responding? |
| 09:53.19 | xand | !test |
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| 09:53.53 | peterS | it's a nice change, isn't it, when we don't have to listen to dpkg give obvious and used-to-be-clever-once-upon-a-time canned responses to everyone? |
| 09:54.02 | Bawbag | haha. |
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| 09:54.39 | peterS | I actually have a mind _not_ to hilight dondelelcaro's name so he'd notice that he needs to reset dpkg |
| 09:54.39 | xand | foo: how rude |
| 09:54.47 | foo | xand: It was a test |
| 09:54.57 | xand | I was testing dpkg, not you! |
| 09:55.01 | peterS | but ... well, I guess I did it anyway |
| 09:55.21 | peterS | xand: see, this is why we have #debian-bots, so we don't have to watch you test it here.. |
| 09:55.37 | foo | xand: Hehe, just kidding :) My bad |
| 09:55.38 | xand | you don't have to watch me |
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| 09:55.51 | peterS | true, but I require a bit more provocation before banning |
| 09:55.51 | nettie | peterS yeah, I was checking the changelog.. |
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| 09:56.34 | peterS | nettie: I don't know whether newer gnome packages for etch are available elsewhere, frankly. the subject doesn't interest me that much since I don't use gnome (: |
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| 10:00.50 | sharaf | help about apache 2.0! whats the difference between worker and prefork? i have a lot of computers with simultaneous requests to my apache web server, and the cpu load is really high, what should i tweak on the configuration so i wont have a huuge cpu load? |
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| 10:01.42 | scx | anyone remembers the name of the little appendix inside a bell? |
| 10:01.45 | peterS | sharaf: worker means the server is multithreaded, prefork means it's multiple processes, which is the traditional model borrowed from apache 1.x (and even apache 0.x, and ncsa httpd before that). prefork is possibly more stable, worker is slightly faster |
| 10:01.58 | noi_mile | nettie, debian-testing seems to provide gnome 2.18 (no, I did not try it) |
| 10:02.12 | peterS | sharaf: certain apache modules aren't thread-safe, such as php5, so if you're using those modules you have to use prefork |
| 10:02.14 | dave_is_sexy | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 10:02.14 | dave_is_sexy | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 10:02.14 | dave_is_sexy | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 10:02.14 | dave_is_sexy | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 10:02.16 | RichiH | scx: in german, that would be kloeppel |
| 10:02.22 | dave_is_sexy | what does that mean? |
| 10:02.23 | scx | I can't find it in my English translation or Babelfish, and I am not a native English speaker |
| 10:02.29 | peterS | dave_is_sexy: it means you shouldn't paste in this channel |
| 10:02.37 | RichiH | !paste |
| 10:02.40 | dave_is_sexy | it's what xarchiver says when i download the autopackage core |
| 10:02.41 | peterS | dave_is_sexy: it also means you should install bzip2 |
| 10:02.47 | noi_mile | sharaf, frankly, you might like to look at nginx ;) |
| 10:02.51 | RichiH | dave_is_sexy: also, install bzip2 |
| 10:02.58 | dave_is_sexy | thanks guys |
| 10:03.13 | RichiH | dave_is_sexy: and peters is right that you should use a paste site, next time :) |
| 10:03.29 | scx | RichiH: I'll remember that the next time I am in Germany ;) |
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| 10:03.39 | peterS | also, I don't see autopackage in Debian, so apparently it isn't our bug |
| 10:03.56 | peterS | scx: a clapper |
| 10:04.13 | RichiH | scx: 'oh mein gott! helfen sie mir! ich brauche einen glockenkloeppel!' should get you one |
| 10:04.43 | RichiH | if there is a sufficient supply of clappers nearby, that is |
| 10:05.03 | RichiH | or bells which you can slavage from |
| 10:05.18 | peterS | scx: the dictionary says another word for clapper is "the tongue of a bell".. |
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| 10:05.32 | scx | well, to me a clapper is this: http://images.google.ca/images?q=define%3A%20clapper&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
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| 10:06.11 | scx | I guess is both |
| 10:06.12 | ma3x | how do I hibertnate KDE? |
| 10:06.18 | peterS | indeed - I didn't really have a name for _that_ kind of clapper |
| 10:06.41 | scx | ma3x: you suspend the hole computer |
| 10:06.58 | RichiH | scx: this here? pervert! http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.af.mil/shared/media/bio/hi_res/clapper_jr.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp%3FbioID%3D5005&start=35&h=2790&w=2196&sz=665&tbnid=3rQ2nZy_HqtpPM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=118&hl=en&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddefine:%2Bclapper%26start%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN |
| 10:07.02 | scx | ma3x: unless you mean "pausing" kde |
| 10:07.46 | ma3x | scx, yes suspend the whole computer |
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| 10:08.15 | scx | RichiH: heh :) no, no that clapper |
| 10:09.18 | ma3x | scx, how? |
| 10:10.18 | scx | ma3x: suspend needs to be enabled and tehn when you logout there would be an option to suspend the machine |
| 10:10.23 | scx | !suspend |
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| 10:10.37 | scx | mmm |
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| 10:12.02 | peterS | bad debhelper. no cookie. |
| 10:12.07 | xand | peterS: feel free to kick that crap bot :P |
| 10:12.13 | liable | no |
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| 10:12.30 | ma3x | scx, im still here |
| 10:12.40 | ma3x | whats wrong with dpkg? |
| 10:12.44 | scx | ma3x: really? me too! |
| 10:12.53 | peterS | it's giving us a nice vacation from having to listen to its drivel |
| 10:12.59 | ma3x | so how do I suspend? |
| 10:13.01 | peterS | you can always use apt or badgers |
| 10:13.02 | scx | !bot |
| 10:13.17 | xingu | "The idea of using SELinux on a system where Java code is free to mess around with physical memory does involve a fair amount of cognitive dissonance." |
| 10:13.17 | ChrisW | dammit, was gonna ask dpkg where etch up[grade docs are... |
| 10:13.28 | peterS | I said, you can always use apt or badgers |
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| 10:14.30 | scx | apt: suspend |
| 10:14.31 | apt | In order to suspend the ipaq with the newer opie, you need apmd installed. |
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| 10:14.45 | scx | badgers: suspend |
| 10:14.45 | badgers | well, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 10:15.02 | peterS | %suspend2 |
| 10:15.03 | badgers | i heard suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
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| 10:15.44 | ChrisW | will moving to etch gimme a newer kernel than 2.6.12 by default? |
| 10:15.50 | liable | two udev rules for the same device, different driver, anyone know how to differentiate between the two (module name is the same) |
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| 10:16.11 | peterS | ChrisW: not unless you manually install a new kernel. or if you have the 'linux-image-2.6' or 'linux-image-2.6-foo' packages. |
| 10:16.15 | liable | different kernels too |
| 10:16.43 | peterS | ChrisW: a new install of etch will give you 2.6.18, but an upgrade from sarge normally will not give you anything until you explicitly install a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 10:16.50 | dutchfish | ChrisW, but you can go to 2.6.18-4 |
| 10:17.12 | ChrisW | k, guess we'll see what happens :-) |
| 10:17.39 | ChrisW | peterS: you might no the answer to this... if my /etc/fstab line for / is toilet, how come my system still works fine? |
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| 10:17.58 | liable | wtf? |
| 10:18.12 | ChrisW | liable? |
| 10:18.32 | liable | wtf is 'line for / is toilet' meant to mean? |
| 10:18.42 | ma3x | how do I suspend / hibernate the computer? |
| 10:18.46 | peterS | ChrisW: /etc/fstab is not directly needed for early booting, since that would be a chicken/egg problem. after the root filesystem is mounted, _then_ /etc/fstab is read, mainly for fsck purposes |
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| 10:18.53 | ChrisW | it means the line for / in my /etc/fstab is complete rubbish |
| 10:19.18 | peterS | ChrisW: if the line for / mentions a device that actually does have a filesystem on it, then fsck will not notice that the device is incorrect |
| 10:19.22 | ChrisW | ah, okay, that makes sense.., |
| 10:19.37 | thirst | uch bandwidth eg:firefox/bittorrent/gaim/xchat/songbird etc. |
| 10:19.48 | ChrisW | well, I've corrected it now anyway, I was just curious why the machine booted at all |
| 10:19.51 | peterS | ChrisW: however, if you 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)', the generated initrd may or may not boot, since it might look in /etc/fstab to figure out how to mount your root filesystem.. |
| 10:19.54 | Dewi | thirst: what? |
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| 10:20.15 | thirst | i am wondering if there is a utility which can monitor how much bandwidth echo of my programs use eg:firefox/bittorrent/gaim/xchat/songbird etc. |
| 10:20.38 | thirst | s/echo/each |
| 10:20.55 | wols_ | ipac-ng |
| 10:21.37 | dutchfish | thirst, apt-cache show bandwidthd |
| 10:21.37 | ChrisW | next /etc/fstab question... I have two usb hard drives that I rotate for offsite backup... they come up as two different devices, so I have two entries in /etc/fstab which both point to the same mount point... is there any way I can have them seemlessly mount into the right place, depending on which one is plugged in? currently I have to comment out the 1st ones /etc/fstab line if I use the second one, or mount complaints that it can't find the device... |
| 10:21.52 | Dewi | thirst: netstat -p can show you pids for sockets, and nmap can show you traffic information for sockets. I don't know of a convenient way to marry them up, but with some effort it's readable |
| 10:21.58 | peterS | ChrisW: what you want is mount-by-label or mount-by-UUID |
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| 10:22.27 | peterS | ChrisW: use 'e2label' (or the equivalent for your filesystem type) to create a label on the filesystem in question, then in /etc/fstab, instead of a device name, say LABEL=foo |
| 10:22.29 | xingu | ChrisW: take a look in /dev/disk/by-*/ |
| 10:22.34 | ChrisW | mount by label was what I was trying with the root (hence the toilet 1st line), but that didn't work for grub and/or /etc/fstab |
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| 10:22.45 | ZaFiL | hello :) |
| 10:22.54 | alexbod1 | hi all |
| 10:22.58 | ChrisW | peterS: that need a 2.6 kernel or etch? |
| 10:23.03 | thirst | dutchfish: thanks let me install that and try |
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| 10:23.33 | peterS | ChrisW: for the root filesystem, LABEL= does not work for a 2.2 kernel, it does work for a 2.6 kernel. I haven't followed that feature in kernel land since I discovered it missing in 2.1.80 or so, so I'm not certain |
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| 10:23.36 | thirst | Dewi: thanks for the help. I am going to try bandwidthd as dutchfish suggested.. i will let you guys know how it goes |
| 10:23.38 | ZaFiL | i search a special thing about Xdmcp : i try to get my second screen on a window, not on :1, is that possible ? |
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| 10:24.02 | ChrisW | peterS: well, I had a 2.4 kernel, and it didn't work with that either |
| 10:24.03 | Dewi | thirst: yeah, let me know if it is good at what you're trying to do; I am used to doing it the crappy awkward way I just mentioned |
| 10:24.06 | peterS | ChrisW: grub doesn't care, it just passes the "root=/dev/md0" or "root=LABEL=foo" string directly to the kernel |
| 10:24.12 | ZaFiL | like VNC, but whith xdmcp |
| 10:24.19 | peterS | ChrisW: so it's a kernel issue, not a grub issue, whatever the facts |
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| 10:25.08 | xingu | ZaFiL: you probably need to start your chooser and its display on :1 |
| 10:25.10 | Dewi | ChrisW: do you have a reason to dislike 2.6? |
| 10:25.15 | Dewi | ChrisW: avoid it I mean |
| 10:25.29 | ZaFiL | :'( |
| 10:25.45 | thirst | ack! bandwidthd's deb is partially broken in latest testing.. the preconfigure fails.. hmm.. lemme see if it can be fixed.. |
| 10:25.47 | xingu | ZaFiL: calling chain is display manager -> { display server, chooser || login window } |
| 10:25.55 | ChrisW | Dewi: well, at that point I was trying to use LABEL to make boot work wither either 2.4 or 2.6, as I was updating to etch and this was a headless box |
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| 10:26.08 | ChrisW | but, it fucked up so I had to plug a keyboard and monitor into it anyway :-( |
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| 10:26.20 | ZaFiL | xingu, hu, hard to follow you, i didn't understand all of what you said (i'm french) |
| 10:26.28 | Dewi | ChrisW: well, even sarge supported 2.6 and now we have etch... 2.6 is well and truly stable, and IMHO solves a lot of problems |
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| 10:26.32 | ChrisW | and I absolutely could not get grub's fallback stuff to work :-( |
| 10:26.34 | xingu | ZaFiL: it's probably a nontrivial question then |
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| 10:26.48 | ChrisW | Dewi: I KNOW, I want to be on 2.6, that was just an issue while I was upgrading that box ;-) |
| 10:26.49 | ZaFiL | probably |
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| 10:27.19 | dave_is_sexy | why isn't amaya in the repositories? just one example of many free programs that is missing |
| 10:27.21 | Dewi | ChrisW: yeah, I keep having transitional issues too - namely that the newer 2.6's modprobe NICs slightly differently, and I end up not having an eth0 where I expected... |
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| 10:27.35 | Dewi | ChrisW: hmm, it's a udev change technically, not a kernel one |
| 10:27.36 | crm_ | can anyone help me through a ndiswrapper setup? |
| 10:28.12 | peterS | Dewi: umm, it's both |
| 10:28.26 | themill | ChrisW: you still having troubles with that box? |
| 10:28.33 | ChrisW | no, it's happy now |
| 10:28.46 | peterS | Dewi: udev isn't really at fault for exposing the reality that kernel device handling is asynchronous and event-driven nowadays |
| 10:28.52 | dave_is_sexy | (amaya being as free as progams can be, and by the w3c) |
| 10:28.54 | Dewi | peterS: well, I think it's a matter of the rule files changing in the newer udev packages |
| 10:28.58 | dutchfish | ChrisW, http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2007/03/msg00366.html |
| 10:29.18 | dutchfish | ChrisW, sorry |
| 10:29.20 | ChrisW | dutchfish: wtf? |
| 10:29.29 | dutchfish | thirst, http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2007/03/msg00366.html |
| 10:29.31 | Dewi | peterS: basically until this week I never saw a machine with an eth1 and no eth0... but it's happened on two different machines I upgraded to etch stable this week, for different reasons |
| 10:29.48 | giupy | i have sshd running in a pc server, client connect trough "ssh 192.168.1.33", can client play an avi that is on the server ? |
| 10:29.59 | foo | If I wanted nfs-kernel-server to only listen on a specific interface, I need to do this with a firewall, right? (I can't do it in some nfs config) |
| 10:30.02 | peterS | Dewi: oh, _that_, yes, that is a udev issue. I thought you were talking about a more general complaint |
| 10:30.36 | peterS | giupy: well, if you transfer it to the client, using scp or similar |
| 10:30.56 | themill | Dewi: is that only for ppl jumping to 2.6 from 2.4 or also for Sarge boxes already running 2.6 |
| 10:31.03 | liable | Dewi: i thought you sorted that out? |
| 10:31.08 | giupy | peterS: no, i would like to open file directly |
| 10:31.23 | thirst | thanks dutchfish |
| 10:31.25 | xand | dave_is_sexy: it's in sarge and sid |
| 10:31.25 | Dewi | peterS: sigh. that reminds me, I should probably file a bug - the 'forcedeth' module's "bad MAC" handling routine is utterly incompatible with the new udev rules... your card changes from eth0 to eth1 to eth2 ..... every boot |
| 10:31.25 | dutchfish | giupy, yes sshfs is your friend |
| 10:31.38 | peterS | giupy: the ssh protocol doesn't include that functionality. perhaps you can do it if you use some other protocol, such as CIFS, to share your filesystem |
| 10:31.39 | thirst | got it up and running already.. |
| 10:31.41 | giupy | dutchfish: do i use mount ? |
| 10:31.56 | Dewi | liable: I did, but it's still a transitional issue that's had me carrying monitors and keyboards all over the house... uncool :P |
| 10:32.08 | dutchfish | giupy, yes read sshfs manpage |
| 10:32.17 | giupy | peterS: i have tried with samba but i have problems during modifyng files |
| 10:32.18 | Dewi | liable: and my current fix for the latter is to basically overrule udev's handling of NICs |
| 10:32.21 | giupy | and.... |
| 10:32.25 | liable | Dewi: can you not set the mac in a post-up for conformaty? |
| 10:32.37 | liable | i guess thats pointless actually |
| 10:32.47 | giupy | why if i try to use "network folder wizard" of kde, when it tries to connect make my adsl down ?? |
| 10:32.48 | liable | if udev has already assigned it |
| 10:32.50 | Dewi | liable: no, because nowadays udev determines the eth *number* from the MAC |
| 10:33.02 | Dewi | liable: so /etc/network/interfaces is referring to stuff that doesn't even exist |
| 10:33.27 | xand | what the mac address changes? |
| 10:33.28 | dave_is_sexy | xand: oh i see. well i'm sure that'l work fine in etch. can you tell me how to add a sarge repository? |
| 10:33.44 | liable | Dewi: this is a known error with that chip? |
| 10:33.45 | xand | dave_is_sexy: they have .debs on their website... did you try that? |
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| 10:33.51 | hark | dave_is_sexy: it's only removed from stable probably because of a critical bug... you can always backport it |
| 10:34.03 | Dewi | liable: um... I think it's a hardware problem, but quite a common one |
| 10:34.06 | alexbod1 | i have a web server on a machine on my lan. i can access the server by it's lan address. the lan is outconnected using arno-iptables-firewall, forwarding port 80 to the web server machine, but i get connection denied :-( |
| 10:34.15 | liable | Dewi: ask a kernel list |
| 10:34.19 | jovans | this is with default desktop kde or? |
| 10:34.21 | jovans | debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 10:34.29 | xand | I always thought eth numbers were based on the PCI slot order but it seems not |
| 10:34.30 | Dewi | liable: I have a theory that these NIC chips start off with a valid MAC and then "lose" it after a few months |
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| 10:35.07 | liable | Dewi: do yourself a favour and spend 20 bucks on a card :P |
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| 10:35.18 | xand | Dewi: send the card back for a refund |
| 10:35.30 | Dewi | xand / liable : it's on the motherboard |
| 10:35.37 | Dewi | so either way it's going to cause havoc in udev |
| 10:35.38 | dave_is_sexy | xand: i know. but i was told something bad happens if you aptitude install .debs |
| 10:35.40 | xand | send that back then |
| 10:35.41 | Dewi | even if I have another card for comms |
| 10:35.42 | liable | Dewi: so buy a pci card |
| 10:35.53 | Dewi | unless I disable it totally in bios (if I can) |
| 10:36.05 | dutchfish | jovans, yes, but it is sort of broken atm |
| 10:36.06 | xand | dave_is_sexy: well I don't use aptitude so shrug... but badder things would happen if you added sarge sources to your sources.list |
| 10:36.18 | Octopssy | Is it possible to save aliases perm? |
| 10:36.21 | liable | you should be able to, anyway, you can set the new cards mac to whatever dev you want |
| 10:36.21 | xand | Dewi: board is faulty... get it replaced |
| 10:36.32 | jovans | broken atm? |
| 10:36.36 | Octopssy | Cause when I set an alias now it's gone next time I login |
| 10:36.36 | Dewi | liable: the point is, if the new udev policy is to determine eth device names based on MAC address, the "random MAC" fix is pure insanity, it's never going to work out nicely |
| 10:37.03 | xand | Dewi: MAC addresses shouldn't change, so it seems like a sensible idea to me |
| 10:37.10 | liable | Dewi: you should be able to determine it on driver too |
| 10:37.10 | dutchfish | jovans, its waiting for new glibc, then things will smooth out |
| 10:37.14 | Dewi | xand: Have a motherboard shipped halfway around the world, and a machine down for 2 months, because of a flaky NIC? I don't think so |
| 10:37.28 | Dewi | xand: *linux* is changing the MAC |
| 10:37.34 | jovans | i have tried the netinstall but don't works |
| 10:37.38 | Dewi | xand: it's what linux does if the MAC is considered outside the correct range |
| 10:37.40 | liable | Dewi: thats if theres only the one card |
| 10:37.43 | jovans | cannot find my network card |
| 10:37.48 | dutchfish | jovans, or just install stable (etch) |
| 10:37.54 | liable | Dewi: so, as i said, post to a kernel list |
| 10:38.07 | thirst | dutchfish: bandwidthd classifies the bandwidth between http/tcp/vpn/icmp etc. is there any way I can actually see a list like firefox/azureus/gaim/xyz etc.. |
| 10:38.19 | jovans | etch don't works to the netinstall by me |
| 10:38.23 | xand | Dewi: why would you have to send it round the world? and you don't seem to know if it's hardware or software related |
| 10:38.25 | jovans | cannot find network card |
| 10:38.29 | dutchfish | thirst, not wihout tweaking |
| 10:38.31 | Dewi | jovans: what is your network card? |
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| 10:38.40 | jovans | i have tried the netinst 160 mb and the buisnesscard 33 mb |
| 10:38.44 | dutchfish | thirst, you have to delve in it |
| 10:38.47 | jovans | both dont't works |
| 10:38.48 | thirst | dutchfish: ok.. lemme try.. |
| 10:38.53 | jovans | is it onboard realtek |
| 10:38.55 | thirst | dutchfish: ok |
| 10:39.08 | Dewi | thirst: if all else fails, netstat -p will link process PIDs to sockets |
| 10:39.09 | xand | jovans: do you know what chip it has? |
| 10:39.12 | dutchfish | thirst, ive done some time ago, its not to hard |
| 10:39.22 | xand | jovans: it'll probably be printed on the chip |
| 10:39.24 | thirst | ok |
| 10:39.26 | jovans | what the network card or the motherboard? |
| 10:39.31 | ma3x | [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 10:39.32 | _wall | out of interest |
| 10:39.34 | ma3x | why I get that? |
| 10:39.36 | thirst | Dewi: dutchfish ok.. lemme try.. |
| 10:39.38 | Dewi | jovans: network card... onboard realteks should be fine |
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| 10:40.01 | Dewi | jovans: what does "ifconfig -a" say? |
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| 10:40.07 | Dewi | jovans: which interfaces come up? |
| 10:40.14 | jovans | nothing |
| 10:40.15 | Dewi | er, I mean, get listed |
| 10:40.15 | foo | How do I know what release of debian I have? /etc/debian_version only says 3.1 |
| 10:40.19 | xand | jovans: the network card. |
| 10:40.20 | Dewi | jovans: it's never nothing |
| 10:40.28 | liable | foo: thats sarge |
| 10:40.29 | Dewi | jovans: it will at least have 'lo' |
| 10:40.35 | jovans | eth0 |
| 10:40.44 | xand | is your card not eth0 then? |
| 10:41.08 | foo | liable: Yup, but what release? eg. 3.1 r4 |
| 10:41.12 | foo | liable: oh, that's revision, I think |
| 10:41.27 | jovans | so i will try the 600 mb iso-testin-kde |
| 10:41.32 | Dewi | jovans: dude, wait |
| 10:41.39 | Dewi | jovans: how many interfaces did 'ifconfig -a' list? |
| 10:41.46 | Dewi | jovans: please list them for us |
| 10:42.05 | xand | (press alt-f2 to get to a console from the installer i think) |
| 10:42.10 | jovans | 3 |
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| 10:42.17 | Dewi | jovans: their names? |
| 10:42.23 | jovans | eth0 ng lo |
| 10:42.33 | Dewi | jovans: eth0 is your network card - debian DID find it |
| 10:42.40 | jovans | yes |
| 10:42.44 | xand | well... eth0 *could* be something else |
| 10:42.45 | Dewi | jovans: so what's the problem? |
| 10:42.52 | Dewi | xand: like what? |
| 10:42.58 | xand | a firewire interface |
| 10:43.03 | Dewi | xand: well I guess he could have several |
| 10:43.05 | war | Anyone recommend a good 64bit live cd? |
| 10:43.06 | Dewi | xand: I thought they got other names |
| 10:43.07 | jovans | yes eth0 is my network card but the installer says that i have to load a driver |
| 10:43.21 | xand | Dewi: nope, the eth1394 device gets an ethX name |
| 10:43.28 | jovans | it cannot load the network cards driver or the network card cannot be found |
| 10:43.34 | xand | if eth0 is there the driver is loaded |
| 10:43.37 | Dewi | xand: how do you tell ? |
| 10:43.37 | jovans | i don't know where is the problem |
| 10:43.45 | jovans | i never had this problem befor |
| 10:43.50 | xand | Dewi: the mac address will be really long |
| 10:43.54 | Dewi | xand: heh |
| 10:44.02 | xand | i.e. not a proper mac address |
| 10:44.08 | Dewi | xand: how do you tell in general what module name is behind an ifconfig entry? |
| 10:44.08 | foo | liable: hm, I thought I'd see it in there but guess not, strange |
| 10:44.16 | xand | Dewi: dmesg? |
| 10:44.20 | jovans | i am currentlx running under kubuntu but i will install debian but i cannot |
| 10:44.21 | Dewi | xand: I was trying to figure it out earlier and I couldn't |
| 10:44.36 | jovans | because i cannot install via net |
| 10:44.45 | Dewi | xand: bah, using dmesg to identify system devices is for pre-udev linux and openbsd. |
| 10:44.57 | xand | dmesg will usually say, or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 10:45.27 | alexbod1 | bye all |
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| 10:45.45 | Dewi | xand: ah, in the comments. true. |
| 10:45.53 | xand | Dewi: or hopefully your card will have a sticker with the mac address |
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| 10:46.33 | hark | Dewi: readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module |
| 10:46.34 | Dewi | jovans: it might be easier to get up and running with the full installer if you can't figure it out |
| 10:46.57 | jovans | yes i will try |
| 10:47.09 | jovans | but now i am on downloading tje iso |
| 10:47.13 | hark | or ethtool -i |
| 10:47.27 | Dewi | jovans: is your network set up using DHCP? |
| 10:47.32 | jovans | yes |
| 10:47.44 | jovans | is it a router |
| 10:47.55 | xand | is that a question? |
| 10:47.56 | Dewi | jovans: I wonder what that eth0 is |
| 10:47.59 | jovans | ru ns with dhcp so it do all automatic |
| 10:48.10 | jovans | hm |
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| 10:50.50 | ma3x | any tool that backs up / just like dd ignoring the free space? |
| 10:51.18 | jovans | the driver should be 8139too i think |
| 10:51.22 | hark | jovans: what does this output? basename `readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module` |
| 10:51.26 | xand | ma3x: to what medium? |
| 10:51.38 | ma3x | xand, to image on my hard drive |
| 10:51.43 | jovans | ../../../../module/8139too |
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| 10:51.52 | xand | ma3x: you could perhaps use tar |
| 10:52.03 | xand | jovans: then your network card is detected and should be working |
| 10:52.05 | ma3x | xand, what should I type? |
| 10:52.13 | xand | man tar ;) |
| 10:52.15 | jovans | not by the netinstall isos |
| 10:52.17 | ma3x | xand tar -zxf / ? |
| 10:52.21 | xand | jovans: what is the actually error? |
| 10:52.25 | xand | ma3x: no |
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| 10:52.28 | jovans | he cannot find/and/or load the driver |
| 10:52.44 | xand | jovans: what is the actuall error? |
| 10:52.46 | jovans | it says that i should put the driver floppy |
| 10:52.47 | xand | -l |
| 10:52.52 | xand | it's lying |
| 10:53.00 | jovans | but i don't have a driver floppy |
| 10:53.04 | ma3x | xand, tar -cvvf backup.tar / ? |
| 10:53.08 | xand | it's working, you don't need one |
| 10:53.17 | xand | ma3x: I'd leave off the vv |
| 10:53.22 | jovans | he cannot load the driver that is the correct error |
| 10:53.27 | xand | no it's not |
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| 10:53.43 | hark | go xand! |
| 10:53.49 | xand | it wouldn't say "he" |
| 10:54.01 | ma3x | xand, i want to backup to /media/usb/backup.tar but if i tar the whole / how do I exclude /media/usb ? |
| 10:54.01 | xand | is the error message in english? |
| 10:54.12 | xand | --exclude... man tar :P |
| 10:54.37 | liable | dont expect ma3x to read anything :P |
| 10:54.38 | ma3x | xand, and if I need to backup some files later, can I browse the tar archive or must i completly unpack it? |
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| 10:54.54 | xand | you can "browse" it with some programs |
| 10:54.54 | liable | mc can browse tars |
| 10:55.06 | ma3x | liable, midnight commander? |
| 10:55.13 | liable | ma3x: yup |
| 10:55.16 | xand | ma3x: you may want to use the z or j options to use gzip or bzip compression |
| 10:56.19 | ma3x | xand, what exactly is better j or z? |
| 10:56.25 | jovans | what is the current kernel in testing does it anybody know? is it the same as in the stable |
| 10:57.07 | dave_is_sexy | dpkg still has rubbish-o dependency problems. how to just add sarge repos? It is not on the first 5 pages of google, i looked there yesterday for how to add debian non-free |
| 10:57.07 | dpkg_ | dave_is_sexy: what are you talking about? |
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| 10:57.34 | hark | jovans: yes, but there are backports for 2.6.20 for stable available if you need |
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| 10:57.55 | jovans | hm |
| 10:58.02 | ma3x | xand, I get a lot of these tar: /sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/power/wakeup: File shrank by 4095 bytes; padding with zeros |
| 10:58.02 | ma3x | tar: /sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/power/state: File shrank by 4094 bytes; padding with zeros |
| 10:58.06 | hark | jovans: but your card is detected. all you need to do is configure it. |
| 10:58.08 | ma3x | should i ignore them? |
| 10:58.11 | jovans | but in unstable should be 2.6.30 or? |
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| 10:58.20 | dave_is_sexy | dpkg: no, dpkg is a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program |
| 10:58.20 | dpkg_ | dave_is_sexy: okay |
| 10:58.27 | xand | ma3x: yes |
| 10:58.32 | peterS | jovans: no, 2.6.20 |
| 10:58.44 | jovans | sorry |
| 10:58.45 | berkel | sorry guys....i would know if is possible to move the mail that have in subject the word "**spam**" without use procmail? |
| 10:58.45 | jovans | :) |
| 10:58.47 | jovans | hehe |
| 10:58.54 | jovans | 2.6.20 yes |
| 10:58.54 | dave_is_sexy | dpkg: how come you keep replying before i've even pushed enter? |
| 10:58.58 | liable | we should lock that factoid |
| 10:59.07 | xand | berkel: using exim you can do that with a .forward |
| 10:59.08 | ma3x | xand, tar -cfz backup / --exclude /media/usb0 that creates z file why? |
| 10:59.13 | liable | dave_is_sexy: stop fucking with the bot |
| 10:59.15 | wols_ | hark: you don't need a new kernel to support a 8139too card... |
| 10:59.25 | xand | ma3x: it's compressing it |
| 10:59.28 | berkel | xand: what is exim? |
| 10:59.32 | hark | wols_: that's what i told himjust now |
| 10:59.39 | xand | berkel: it's the default MTA in debian |
| 10:59.41 | xand | !exim |
| 10:59.41 | ma3x | xand, the filename is called 'z' and it should be backup |
| 10:59.41 | dpkg_ | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 10:59.47 | jovans | yes i know but i don't know why the installer cannot detect my card |
| 10:59.50 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.56 | xand | ma3x: are you sure you didn't put a space before the "z"? |
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| 11:00.03 | ma3x | xand, yes i am sure |
| 11:00.07 | wols_ | jovans: is the driver loaded? have you checked? |
| 11:00.17 | wols_ | if it's not loaded: what happens with a modprobe 8139too? |
| 11:00.23 | jovans | it is not loaded |
| 11:00.23 | peterS | xand: well ... exim4 is the default, anyway. the 'exim' debian package is exim version 3 and is not the default |
| 11:00.36 | hark | jovans: what's that eth0 then? |
| 11:00.47 | xand | peterS: i wasn't referring to the debian package name, but to the name of the program |
| 11:00.50 | berkel | xand: with sendmail isn't possible? |
| 11:00.53 | jovans | the installer search for the network card and tell me that is no driver present please inserd the driver ploppy |
| 11:01.01 | xand | berkel: no idea |
| 11:01.02 | peterS | xand: you're in #debian. expect some ambiguity when you do that. |
| 11:01.05 | jovans | floppy |
| 11:01.06 | wols_ | jovans: what does lspci -v say about your card. plase paste that in a pastebin |
| 11:01.07 | jovans | i mean |
| 11:01.13 | peterS | xand: since exim _is_ a debian package name |
| 11:01.24 | xand | peterS: well, the name should change then |
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| 11:01.48 | peterS | xand: are you volunteering to take over the exim package so you can rename it? I advise not volunteering, actually |
| 11:01.56 | xand | no I'm not |
| 11:01.59 | hark | jovans: wait, have you installed debian or are going to? what OS are you currently on? |
| 11:02.16 | jovans | I AM GOING TO INSTALL IT |
| 11:02.31 | xand | jovans: if eth0 is there, then it must be working |
| 11:02.39 | jovans | i have tried yesterday but don't works |
| 11:02.52 | jovans | dont' do i never had this problem |
| 11:03.04 | jovans | currently i am running kubuntu |
| 11:03.05 | peterS | xand: I also don't advise trying to rename exim4 to exim. version 3 and version 4 are different enough that there is no way to automatically migrate a complex configuration from one to the other, so you'd have a pretty major headache if you tried to support a proper upgrade path to a new debian release where exim is now version 4 |
| 11:03.19 | xand | I see |
| 11:03.25 | dave_is_sexy | synaptic says a package is broken. it lists all the dependencies but doesn't say which are missing, or provide a way to get them all. is that really as much as it can do? |
| 11:03.47 | peterS | dave_is_sexy: are you related to SexyKen? |
| 11:03.51 | dave_is_sexy | no |
| 11:03.56 | hark | jovans: then, you'll probably need to modprobe 8139too (as that's the one eth0 is using in kubuntu) |
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| 11:04.28 | xand | jovans: is the installer you have really old or something? I would have though the etch installer would detect an 8139too card |
| 11:04.48 | jovans | it was the testing net iso from yesterady |
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| 11:05.05 | xand | try the stable one |
| 11:05.07 | jovans | i don't want stable i want to use testing |
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| 11:05.20 | xand | you can change to testing from stable |
| 11:05.24 | jovans | or unstable i don't know yet |
| 11:05.31 | xand | I don't think you want unstable |
| 11:05.33 | dave_is_sexy | i'm really confused. can someone help. if i (in synaptic) say to uninstall lynx, it says: "to be uninstalled: amaya" only |
| 11:06.04 | dave_is_sexy | for the record, this system is not very good |
| 11:06.11 | kth` | Can anyone recommend a program to make backup images of ntfs partitions? |
| 11:06.13 | christianp | does anyone can help me in configuring my etch server with modules for Intel 82801/GR/GH Raid1 Controller? |
| 11:06.18 | jovans | unstable is newer on software a little bit |
| 11:06.20 | peterS | never tried synaptic. aptitude seems to get this stuff right most of the time. |
| 11:06.45 | peterS | christianp: is that a real raid controller or just an ATA controller with simple BIOS software RAID features? |
| 11:06.54 | christianp | it seems all was right, but debian can see the two disks |
| 11:07.02 | dave_is_sexy | well i just want to get some dependencies really. the one thing debian is famous for being good at |
| 11:07.18 | jovans | i want to install debian because for me the fastest os (non source distro) i ever run |
| 11:07.36 | christianp | peterS: how can i check this? |
| 11:07.38 | peterS | christianp: a lot of so-called "RAID controllers" advertised on motherboard chipsets are merely software RAID where the BIOS provides software that can boot it as RAID, then a Windows driver does the rest |
| 11:08.00 | dave_is_sexy | but to do that i need either half a day, a decent package manager, or the address of the old sarde repository |
| 11:08.08 | dave_is_sexy | *sarge |
| 11:08.28 | peterS | christianp: I'm not sure how you can check, but if Linux sees two separate disks even though you configured them in your BIOS as a raid1 set, this is probably the case for you |
| 11:08.30 | foo | How do I know what revision of debian I have? /etc/debian_version only says 3.1 and not 3.1 r4 or something |
| 11:08.39 | xingu | peterS: dm-raid can deal with some of the newer ones semi-automagically |
| 11:08.43 | jovans | however u can take a look |
| 11:08.45 | xingu | peterS: allagedly |
| 11:08.45 | jovans | http://phpfi.com/230394 |
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| 11:09.01 | peterS | xingu: yes, allegedly. I don't like to recommend that straight off, as I don't have any experience with it |
| 11:09.05 | christianp | peterS: ok, i understand... make a check and i tell you... |
| 11:09.40 | liable | foo: its sarge, why do you have a hard time believing that? |
| 11:09.52 | xingu | christianp: try your luck with apt-get install dmraid |
| 11:10.13 | liable | whats the attraction with dmraid? |
| 11:10.41 | peterS | christianp: alternatively, if you aren't going to use your "raid controller" under Windows or anything - you can just disable the "raid1" feature and do the RAID directly from Linux, pretending your chipset is just a standard ATA chipset, which in fact it pretty much is. that's what I would do. |
| 11:10.46 | foo | liable: That's not what I asked. Or, maybe, I'm asking the wrong question. I'm trying to download the same version of debian on this box, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ shows me different options... can I just grab any revision and update && upgrade and then it should be equivalent to this box? |
| 11:10.52 | peterS | liable: dual-booting with legacy OSes |
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| 11:11.09 | peterS | liable: or retrieving data left by legacy OSes.. |
| 11:11.21 | liable | foo: yep, but sarge is oldstable now |
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| 11:12.36 | christianp | xingu: i intalled it... and now? ;) |
| 11:12.50 | foo | liable: Right, I want to setup a test environment with another instance of sarge, rsync data from production to test, upgrade test from sarge to etch, if success and it doesn't break anything, then do it on the production servers. Please critique if you feel I'm doing something wrong :) |
| 11:12.57 | xingu | christianp: dmraid -s |
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| 11:13.27 | christianp | xingu: no RAID disk |
| 11:13.39 | christianp | what does it mean? |
| 11:13.46 | liable | foo:ok, yep, just get any sarge installer and upgrade the system once installed |
| 11:13.50 | xingu | christianp: dmraid -r ? |
| 11:14.03 | christianp | xingu: no RAID disks |
| 11:14.16 | foo | liable: aha, ok. Thanks. Hmm, can I rsync all of / to the test system? Or, is that insane? :) |
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| 11:14.47 | peterS | foo: if you do, make sure to use the -x flag to rsync, so it doesn't try to rsync /proc and /dev/pts and such (: |
| 11:15.00 | liable | foo: same system different disk, or different box? |
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| 11:15.09 | foo | peterS: hehe, ok, thanks. |
| 11:15.10 | sprink | Is there anyway to have apt check for updates daily, and notify me if there are updates? |
| 11:15.11 | christianp | so i suppose is a Fake-Raid |
| 11:15.29 | liable | hrm |
| 11:15.32 | liable | !raid |
| 11:15.32 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 11:15.38 | foo | liable: different systems, different hardware, I'm mainly looking to see that it won't break any of the applications. I really doubt it, but programmers are afraid :) |
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| 11:15.50 | liable | right, gonna update that after dinner |
| 11:16.10 | liable | foo: ok, then yeah, rsync is a good choice |
| 11:16.46 | foo | liable: ok, thanks |
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| 11:17.53 | hark | jovans: if you're still unsure what to do, you should stick with stable |
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| 11:18.28 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
| 11:18.56 | jovans | i am a psycho i will have the latest software so only testing/unstable is in my mind |
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| 11:19.29 | jovans | for me i don't must be 100 of precent stable |
| 11:19.43 | wols_ | then have fun troubleshooting it alone. bai |
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| 11:23.59 | christianp | so, peterS it's an ATA controller with simple BIOS software RAID features. The only solution is to make a software RAID with linux directly? |
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| 11:24.10 | xingu | christianp: is dm-mod loaded? |
| 11:24.11 | christianp | i suppose this solution is slow |
| 11:24.19 | xingu | christianp: lsmod | fgrep dm-mod |
| 11:24.41 | peterS | christianp: that's what I would do. unless you need to dual-boot this machine with some OS other than Linux, such as Microsoft Windows, and you want to share the raid volume between your two OSes. |
| 11:24.53 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me with a little prob? i set up a mailserver on debian, but now i have to configure ports in my router.. can anyone tell me wich ports i need to redirect to my server?? |
| 11:25.06 | xingu | christianp: if not, modprobe dm-mod - then try dmraid -r again |
| 11:25.10 | sprink | Would it be to much to ask, for a special command flag in apt, so that it only reports if there are updates, and what they are, so it could be used with cron to report updates? |
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| 11:25.23 | sprink | command line* |
| 11:25.26 | peterS | christianp: raid1 isn't particularly slow anyway. I mean, doing it in hardware rather than software doesn't make a huge difference. with raid4, raid5, raid6, the difference is much greater. |
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| 11:26.30 | CaT[tm] | well that shits me. dpkg -l | less no longer respects my stty columsn setting |
| 11:26.32 | christianp | peterS: ok, thanks |
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| 11:26.45 | christianp | xingu: no this module is not loaded |
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| 11:27.00 | retard | anyone knows of a website with all good linux console apps? or something around that? |
| 11:27.09 | xingu | christianp: modprobe dm-mod; dmraid -r |
| 11:28.03 | archville | retard, maybe it is better to ask for a concrete app to do something specific |
| 11:28.56 | xingu | christianp: still with us? |
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| 11:30.05 | christianp | xingu: yes, phone |
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| 11:30.38 | vicentecarro | Hi |
| 11:31.24 | vicentecarro | For an unstable configuration, which security repostory have i to add in the sources.list? |
| 11:31.34 | ChrisW | yay! 2 machines etched, 7 more to go :-) |
| 11:31.56 | Ronin | vicentecarro: none if i recall correctly, sid doesnt get security updates |
| 11:32.06 | vicentecarro | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:32.07 | vicentecarro | byes |
| 11:32.27 | peterS | it does, but only incidentally |
| 11:32.33 | christianp | sorry, i have to go.... thanks anyway xingu, peterS |
| 11:32.35 | peterS | it doesn't get any kind of official security support |
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| 11:33.01 | cipe | salve |
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| 11:33.21 | peterS | salve cipe, ma si parla inglese qui (: |
| 11:33.23 | liable | yes, i need some for my aching head |
| 11:33.36 | cipe | az |
| 11:33.39 | cipe | scusate |
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| 11:34.17 | Ronin | liable: one too many last night? |
| 11:35.06 | liable | Ronin: i never blame beer, its just not cricket! ;) |
| 11:35.13 | Ronin | heh |
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| 11:38.20 | Bawbag | could someone recommend me a good email provider? one with a feature-rich webmail interface (it doesn't have to be so to the extend of Gmail) and commercial if need be. |
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| 11:39.31 | peterS | Bawbag: some would then ask the obvious question - why _not_ gmail? |
| 11:40.10 | Bawbag | for reasons I'd rather not discuss here |
| 11:40.12 | Bawbag | :) |
| 11:40.20 | Ronin | ahh paranoia |
| 11:40.42 | Bawbag | haha, no. |
| 11:40.50 | Ronin | :) |
| 11:40.54 | Bawbag | to be honest I don't care if Google staff read my email |
| 11:41.13 | Ronin | does zworg.com still have free accounts Bawbag ? i have one and theyre pretty good |
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| 11:41.30 | xand | hotmail! |
| 11:41.45 | Bawbag | I'll look into that, Ronin. thanks |
| 11:41.50 | yang | how do i fix the VNC error - 28/04/07 11:41:00 rfbProcessClientProtocolVersion: not a valid RFB client |
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| 11:42.27 | ma3x | tar -zcf backup / --exclude /media/usb0 |
| 11:42.29 | ma3x | tar: backup: Cannot open: Read-only file system |
| 11:42.31 | ma3x | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 11:42.33 | ma3x | wats wrong |
| 11:42.52 | liable | i really dont trust gmail myself, personally |
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| 11:43.23 | liable | get an email account with the worlds largest data aggregater? no thanks |
| 11:43.23 | Bawbag | If I find out that my e-gold account has been drained of all funds, I'd know who to blame :P |
| 11:43.57 | Bawbag | liable: which provider(s) do you use? |
| 11:44.14 | liable | Bawbag: my isp |
| 11:44.28 | yang | Bawbag: if your e-gold account was from 2mdc its allready been frozen since yesterday |
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| 11:44.39 | kth` | Where is debian storing whether BIOS uses utc or local time? |
| 11:44.59 | HSorgYves | which java version should i use with debian? |
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| 11:45.29 | Bawbag | yang: Fortunately, it isn't. Although I've been considering staying away from e-gold, and concequently HYIPs that have been going downhill lately |
| 11:46.22 | peterS | kth`: /etc/default/rcS |
| 11:46.26 | peterS | kth`: the UTC variable |
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| 11:46.44 | kth` | peterS; Thanks |
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| 11:48.22 | Bawbag | Ronin: I'll check them out. the only problem I can see is a lack of variety in terms of payment processors. |
| 11:48.30 | Bawbag | I mean, who the hell uses PayPal these days? :p |
| 11:48.46 | lyakh | why cannot I forward X from an etch ssh server? "X11Forwarding yes" is set |
| 11:49.12 | lyakh | $DISPLAY doesn't get set |
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| 11:49.54 | peterS | lyakh: are you using 'ssh -X' or 'ssh -Y'? |
| 11:50.08 | lyakh | on ssh client (sarge) using "ssh -X" or set in ssh_config |
| 11:50.17 | liable | !x forwarding |
| 11:50.17 | dpkg | methinks x forwarding is ssh -X or edit /etc/ssh-nonfree/sshd_config |
| 11:50.22 | liable | bah |
| 11:50.26 | lyakh | tried all combinations of "-X", "-Y" |
| 11:50.28 | liable | !xhost |
| 11:50.29 | dpkg | methinks xhost is EVIL! Ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about "sshx", or "nolisten" if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. use sux instead of su |
| 11:50.40 | liable | !sshx |
| 11:50.40 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 11:50.46 | liable | thats the one i wanted |
| 11:51.13 | peterS | lyakh: one other possible reason, you might have 'UseLogin yes' in sshd_config on the server |
| 11:51.43 | lyakh | "#UseLogin no" |
| 11:51.59 | peterS | lyakh: ok, also, do you have 'xbase-clients' installed on _both_ client and server? |
| 11:52.07 | peterS | lyakh: I ask because both ends need access to the 'xauth' program |
| 11:52.31 | lyakh | oops... |
| 11:52.33 | phogg | What package is that xfree86-common/FAQ.gz in now? |
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| 11:53.19 | lyakh | I saw it installed some basic X stuff yesterday, as I installed cupsd, so, I thought it should be enough |
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| 11:54.31 | lyakh | ta-dam! thanks, guys! that's what I call "express help"!:-) |
| 11:54.46 | peterS | lyakh: heh. I should have thought of the xbase-clients thing _first_. it's a common enough problem. |
| 11:55.11 | lyakh | really? Do many use (debian) without terminal? |
| 11:55.16 | lyakh | it's a NAS system |
| 11:55.48 | lyakh | actually, it hardly makes sence, installing an x-client without xauth? |
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| 11:56.25 | lyakh | cool, dillo is fun:-) |
| 11:56.57 | peterS | lyakh: xauth is only needed if you have local clients. if you use X remotely (without ssh), you don't need xauth on the local system |
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| 11:57.31 | lyakh | like telnet + setting DISPLAY manually, etc.? |
| 11:57.33 | peterS | in fact I'm not sure xauth is needed by a purely local session either |
| 11:58.15 | lyakh | yeah, so, you either want an x-server, or xauth - in most cases |
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| 11:59.11 | crm_ | hi.. im having trouble mounting an external usb hdd |
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| 11:59.20 | crm_ | can anyone help? |
| 11:59.27 | xand | crm_: provide more details |
| 11:59.30 | norc | crm_: what is you problem |
| 11:59.35 | norc | s/you/your/ |
| 11:59.51 | crm_ | xand, it is a external usb hdd .. i am running debian elive |
| 11:59.59 | xand | elive? |
| 11:59.59 | crm_ | xand, dmesg recognises it |
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| 12:00.08 | crm_ | xand, .. yea, a distro based on e |
| 12:00.17 | xand | !eliver |
| 12:00.18 | xand | !elive |
| 12:00.19 | dpkg | it has been said that elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
| 12:00.26 | xand | you want #elive |
| 12:00.31 | norc | probably not |
| 12:00.37 | crm_ | xand, but it's based on debian |
| 12:00.38 | xand | probably not what? |
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| 12:00.39 | norc | He is not having any problems related to X11 |
| 12:00.46 | norc | maybe |
| 12:00.46 | crm_ | so the commands should be the same |
| 12:00.46 | xand | norc: irrelvent |
| 12:00.53 | norc | crm_: How about you tell us what your problem is first. |
| 12:00.53 | xand | crm_: nope |
| 12:01.02 | xand | !based on debian |
| 12:01.02 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 12:01.18 | crm_ | norc, im not sure what device it is recognised as.. should this be in dmesg? |
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| 12:01.31 | xand | crm_: please don't ask here... you're not using debian so we can't help |
| 12:01.33 | norc | crm_: It should be, yes. It's most likely sdaX |
| 12:01.39 | norc | (Where X is the proper number) |
| 12:01.47 | xand | norc: stop |
| 12:01.55 | crm_ | norc, sda1? |
| 12:02.00 | norc | crm_: Try it with sda1, yes. |
| 12:02.13 | crm_ | norc, .. ok, i will try to mount |
| 12:02.13 | xand | norc: if you're going to help, do it in the right channel |
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| 12:02.51 | crm_ | norc, can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 12:03.00 | norc | crm_: For a pretty pointless reason xand wants us to discuss this in another channel, because your problem is 107% not related your distribution, but related to your lack of experience with linux in general |
| 12:03.05 | crm_ | i just used plain old "mount /dev/sda1" |
| 12:03.20 | norc | crm_: mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mountpoint |
| 12:03.28 | xand | !ops norc and crm_ can't find #elive |
| 12:03.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: norc and crm_ can't find #elive |
| 12:03.51 | liable | huh? |
| 12:04.17 | xand | liable: they're not using debian, so they shouldn't be talking in here about it |
| 12:04.24 | norc | xand: I am using Debian |
| 12:04.37 | norc | xand: But if you'd actually listen to him, you'd realize it got nothing to do with Debian at all, right? |
| 12:04.39 | Maxigraf | i am too :-D |
| 12:04.52 | norc | xand: And any other distribution too. He just doesn't know how to use mount. |
| 12:04.53 | Maxigraf | so we don't help n00bs? ^^ |
| 12:04.54 | xand | norc: exactly, so you shouldn't be talking about it in here |
| 12:05.03 | peterS | norc: right, and things which have nothing to do with Debian ... yeah, you just answered that one |
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| 12:05.31 | Octopssy | Does anyone know where to get "unrar" (not meaning unrar-free which is apt pack) |
| 12:05.32 | norc | peterS: So you kick everyone out, who comes here with a problem, that is not ONLY related to Debians packages? |
| 12:05.38 | peterS | norc: also, various Debian derivatives may handle removable media in their own unique ways - things like gnome-volume-manager and dbus and gods know what else |
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| 12:06.11 | Maxigraf | so how many different version of "mount" exist? :-P |
| 12:06.13 | hark | Octopssy: it's in non-free |
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| 12:06.25 | crm_ | hrm.. unknown media type ntfs .. using "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/usbhdd" ? |
| 12:06.32 | crm_ | do i need to apt get that fs? |
| 12:06.35 | crm_ | or something? |
| 12:06.44 | xand | you need to ask in the right channel |
| 12:06.45 | norc | crm_: _Now_ this is getting a problem of your distribution. |
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| 12:06.47 | Octopssy | okay.. |
| 12:06.48 | peterS | crm_: unknown _what_? media type? I haven't seen that error message from mount, ever. |
| 12:07.01 | crm_ | hi peterS =) |
| 12:07.11 | CaT[tm] | is it possible to remove all packages belonging to a particular tag? |
| 12:07.18 | norc | crm_: Might indicate that this is the wrong device. Mind pasting the dmesg output, when you plugged in your usb device? |
| 12:07.19 | peterS | crm_: 'mount' from Debian doesn't have that error message |
| 12:07.39 | crm_ | peterS, the exact message is "mount: unknown file type 'ntfs'" |
| 12:07.52 | peterS | crm_: then why didn't you say so? |
| 12:08.10 | norc | crm_: And use a pasting service like http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 12:08.10 | xand | ntfs works fine in debian... go to the right channel |
| 12:08.19 | peterS | crm_: however, Debian's version of mount never mentions a "file type" either |
| 12:08.27 | abrotman | crm_: what's your actual distro ? |
| 12:08.32 | peterS | crm_: see, this is why we can't help non-Debian users. |
| 12:08.32 | xand | abrotman: it's elive |
| 12:08.43 | crm_ | wow.. this is a bit silly |
| 12:08.45 | norc | peterS: He probably tried mounting the wrong device. |
| 12:08.53 | abrotman | elive has been patching more and more stuff .. |
| 12:08.54 | norc | peterS: I had this problem too on Gentoo, when I mounted the wrong devices. |
| 12:08.58 | xand | crm_: yes, asking in the wrong channel is silly |
| 12:09.04 | abrotman | norc: so go to #elive with him and help him ? |
| 12:09.06 | peterS | norc: doesn't matter. Debian 'mount' _does not have_ an error message that mentions "file type". |
| 12:09.07 | norc | sure |
| 12:09.14 | norc | crm_: please join #elive |
| 12:09.20 | crm_ | i'm there norc =) |
| 12:09.57 | peterS | norc: he's talking about error messages that do not occur in Debian, and you still ask "how many versions of mount are there"? anyway. I guess you've moved on to #elive, so that's cool. |
| 12:10.14 | abrotman | now .. let's talk about something really important .. BACON! |
| 12:10.21 | norc | peterS: I didn't ask how many versions of mount there are. |
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| 12:10.28 | peterS | norc: oh, that wasn't you, sorry |
| 12:10.30 | Maxigraf | i did ^^ |
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| 12:11.33 | erikl | this is going well, yay! |
| 12:11.57 | sander | Hi. Is it normal that the network card goes in and out of promiscious mode when I shutdown my pc? |
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| 12:12.27 | Maxigraf | so i am using debian and i'd like to know, how to increase the page-load-timeout of iceweasel :-) |
| 12:12.27 | peterS | sander: I can't think why it would do that - but OTOH, if you're shutting down anyway... does it matter? |
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| 12:13.00 | abrotman | maybe if running a sniffer daemon ? |
| 12:13.04 | sander | peterS, Yes. Because I'm trying to find out why my pc is very slow.. wondring if I got some kinda virus. |
| 12:13.27 | abrotman | Maxigraf: check in about:config |
| 12:13.45 | abrotman | Maxigraf: and that's a guess |
| 12:14.16 | Maxigraf | abrotman: thanks :-) |
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| 12:16.14 | zamuro | Morning, all |
| 12:16.26 | kiba | hello, I am having trouble with locales |
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| 12:16.57 | zamuro | kiba: Could you be more specific? |
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| 12:17.23 | peterS | I'm having trouble with the locals |
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| 12:17.38 | zamuro | !specific |
| 12:17.38 | dpkg | [specific] specifics is probably just saying 'it doesn't work' or 'what is wrong' will get you nowhere. be specific. |
| 12:17.43 | kiba | zamuro: be patient |
| 12:17.51 | kiba | I need to paste the information |
| 12:18.17 | abrotman | peterS: is there a rodeo today? :) |
| 12:18.20 | zamuro | kiba: You should've start from that point... We could have saved seconds. |
| 12:18.43 | peterS | abrotman: I don't know of one |
| 12:18.48 | zamuro | abrotman: o/ hey. |
| 12:18.59 | abrotman | hi zamuro |
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| 12:21.09 | peterS | as is the "libera me" |
| 12:21.30 | abrotman | copycat! |
| 12:21.44 | CaT[tm] | how dull. aptitude hasn't got super cow powers. |
| 12:22.28 | abrotman | aptitude -vvv moo |
| 12:22.38 | kiba | http://pastie.caboo.se/57273 |
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| 12:22.58 | CaT[tm] | ok |
| 12:23.02 | CaT[tm] | wtf is that? :) |
| 12:23.09 | kiba | it seem htat locales is not installed fully |
| 12:23.14 | CaT[tm] | hah |
| 12:23.21 | kiba | I been getting this problem for weeks now |
| 12:23.32 | peterS | CaT[tm]: it doesn't make sense unless you see aptitude -v moo first |
| 12:23.33 | kiba | frankly, I have no idea how to fix this |
| 12:23.41 | CaT[tm] | peters: figured that one out :) |
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| 12:24.02 | sander | How can I find out if my processor is simply broken? |
| 12:24.06 | CaT[tm] | peters: it shoulda been a cow and not an elephant :) |
| 12:24.30 | peterS | CaT[tm]: what's really funny is that the super cow powers lines are fully internationalised. the easter egg appears in any language. |
| 12:24.40 | sander | ..I mean.. very slow.. compeard to how fast it should be. |
| 12:24.42 | CaT[tm] | sweet. |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | sander: broken cpus don't work at all :) |
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| 12:25.08 | CaT[tm] | anyone who decides to output the output of --help on a wrong command line option should be shot |
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| 12:25.57 | peterS | CaT[tm]: I only do that when I judge that the user needs a clue (: |
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| 12:26.01 | sander | abrotman, my firefox browser is very slow.. X gets 80% cpu time when I move the browser abit around on the screen. |
| 12:26.17 | abrotman | sander: do you have flahs ? |
| 12:26.30 | kiba | noww that peoople know what my problem is...anybody know of a solution? |
| 12:26.31 | sander | WHats flahs? |
| 12:26.34 | CaT[tm] | peters: that's what a good error msg is for. an additional line indicating that --help would be useful is a good thing also. dumping it all after the error message is just annoying. |
| 12:26.38 | sander | flash? |
| 12:26.52 | sander | abrotman, yep. |
| 12:26.59 | sander | I have flash |
| 12:27.14 | Maxigraf | how do i set the timezone in debian? |
| 12:27.31 | peterS | Maxigraf: tzconfig |
| 12:28.21 | Maxigraf | thx |
| 12:28.43 | kth` | sander; Do you have DRI set up? You could also turn off window drawing while moving in your window manager |
| 12:28.47 | Bawbag | bash: tzconfig: command not found - boo. |
| 12:28.54 | sander | it gets even worse if I open up a flash page in firefox. |
| 12:28.56 | Maxigraf | but the problem is debian thinks my system clock is set to UTC, but in fact it's set to local time, because windows did this ^^ |
| 12:29.02 | sander | kth`, dri.. let me check |
| 12:29.04 | Maxigraf | sudo tzconfig :-P |
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| 12:29.10 | Bawbag | haha. silly me. thanks |
| 12:29.16 | Maxigraf | ^^ |
| 12:29.24 | Bawbag | Maxigraf: I had the same problem, until I made a fresh install with etch :) |
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| 12:29.43 | sander | kth`, do you remember where the configure file is located? |
| 12:29.48 | sander | conf* |
| 12:29.48 | apic | Hi. |
| 12:30.10 | apic | What do I need to install in order to get my lame ipw3945 WiFi card to work? |
| 12:30.16 | apic | I already have the modules and the firmware. |
| 12:30.19 | peterS | Maxigraf: well, if you aren't dual-booting with a legacy OS that cannot understand why the cmos clock should be UTC, you need to edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 12:30.21 | apic | But I need ipw3945d too, right? |
| 12:30.27 | sander | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:30.30 | peterS | Maxigraf: I mean, if you _are_ dual-booting with a legacy OS |
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| 12:30.38 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 12:30.38 | sander | kth`, Seems like dri is commented out |
| 12:31.11 | Maxigraf | peterS: thx :-D |
| 12:32.09 | kth` | sander; GUI is generally unreseponsive and slow when there's no dri, try setting it up if it's possible for your card |
| 12:32.11 | Maxigraf | hey, it worked, i just set the time to GMT using tzconfig and category 12) None of the aboce |
| 12:32.15 | Maxigraf | ^^ |
| 12:32.15 | Maxigraf | above... |
| 12:32.21 | sander | kth`, ok.. i'll try it out |
| 12:33.16 | apic | Never mind... it's in non-free. |
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| 12:33.23 | apic | Thanks for your help, bye. |
| 12:33.27 | sourcerer | Hi! |
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| 12:34.07 | DaveyB | How do I assign Debian to use a specific browser. in my case mozilla firefox |
| 12:34.33 | sourcerer | I have the problem that when I apt-get install locales in a virtual machine, that it takes more memory than available in the vm, and it crashes the vm (out-of-memory). Is there a possibility to install the locales directly without regnerating them from source? |
| 12:35.06 | Maxigraf | DaveyB: how do you assing a browser for what? |
| 12:35.12 | wols_ | sourcerer: give the VM some swap |
| 12:35.38 | JonathanW | question when doing a cfdisk /dev/hda i get a faital error and it closes out, how can i find out if my drive is detected by debian, whats odd is dmesg shows no refrence of it, but my debian / is mounted on my scsi raid drive, but the grub bootloader is mounted on my MBR on the 120 gig ide drive i'm trying to partition and mount. how can i resolve this and be able to partition and mount the drive? |
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| 12:36.03 | sander | kth`, its abit better now actually.. but still ALOT slower than 2 weeks ago |
| 12:36.09 | Maxigraf | DaveyB: why don't you just apt-get install iceweasel (which is firefox ^^) and use that? |
| 12:36.37 | Roey | anyone else here have a Wacom? Why is it that my 9x12 only gets interpreted as having a 6x8 drawing surface? |
| 12:36.52 | DaveyB | I have but Debian still won't open browsers through applications properly. |
| 12:36.53 | abrotman | !wacom |
| 12:36.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
| 12:36.56 | kiba | http://pastie.caboo.se/57273 |
| 12:36.57 | kth` | sander; What did you do two weeks ago then? ;) |
| 12:37.09 | kiba | my locales package seem to be not installed fully |
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| 12:37.17 | kiba | I wonder how I can get it working |
| 12:37.19 | kiba | anyone? |
| 12:37.26 | DaveyB | I want firefox/iceweasel to be my default browser for the OS |
| 12:37.35 | sander | kth`, nothing.. the problem have been worse and worse for every week |
| 12:37.51 | sander | I havent done anything to make it worse |
| 12:37.52 | hark | DaveyB: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 12:38.03 | DaveyB | Maxigraf, I have the newest version. |
| 12:38.06 | sander | Thats why I think its problem with some hardware. |
| 12:38.11 | hark | kiba: why can't you install locales? |
| 12:38.18 | kiba | hark: Don't know |
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| 12:38.25 | kiba | did you look at my pastie? |
| 12:38.42 | hark | kiba: is locales installed? |
| 12:39.06 | kiba | locales is not fully installed |
| 12:39.51 | Mawbid | DaveyB: applications specify what browser to launch, so there's not truly a system-wide setting for that. Some apps obey the x-www-browser hark just mentioned. some obey a setting in gnome or kde. |
| 12:40.01 | Maxigraf | anybody knows if there is an extension for firefox which shows me the traffic produced by it? ^^ |
| 12:41.08 | lupine_85 | pong? |
| 12:41.11 | abrotman | Maxigraf: don't do that |
| 12:41.25 | xand | !spank Maxigraf |
| 12:41.29 | Maxigraf | i'm sorry, i just wrote /ping |
| 12:41.38 | Maxigraf | thought it would ping the server not everyone in #debian |
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| 12:41.40 | xand | !ping |
| 12:41.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:41.42 | lupine_85 | when unnecessarily pinged, I tend to prang in response ;) |
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| 12:42.17 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. i have a mailserver up and running, the only thing i don't know is how i have to configure the dns of the domain i just registered.. can anyone help me with that? |
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| 12:43.13 | Maxigraf | does anyone know a program that shows me the network traffic a specific application produces? ^^ |
| 12:43.28 | xand | wireshark? |
| 12:43.30 | kiba | it seem that nobody is able to help me |
| 12:43.33 | Guerin | Maxigraf: iptraf, ntop |
| 12:43.35 | Maxigraf | or shows me how much traffic that program produces... |
| 12:43.42 | Maxigraf | i want numbers not packets :-D |
| 12:43.53 | Maxigraf | ok, i'll try that, thanks ^^ |
| 12:44.28 | dutchfish | Maxigraf, nethogs |
| 12:44.32 | Soul_Mx | Hi. |
| 12:44.43 | zamuro | !flame Maxigraf |
| 12:44.43 | dpkg | Maxigraf: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
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| 12:45.42 | loginuser | what is the best text based web browser except lynx? |
| 12:45.48 | Guerin | loginuser: links |
| 12:45.54 | Guerin | w3m |
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| 12:45.55 | loginuser | Guerin: thanks |
| 12:47.01 | Soul_Mx | Hi. I can't find this: How can I boot kernel 2.6.18 (Etch) with option hda=remap63? Kernel 2.6.8 it can. Help... |
| 12:47.10 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: you can use bind .. there are plenty of Bind docs on the web |
| 12:47.27 | JonathanW | question when doing a cfdisk /dev/hda i get a faital error and it closes out, how can i find out if my drive is detected by debian, whats odd is dmesg shows no refrence of it, but my debian / is mounted on my scsi raid drive, but the grub bootloader is mounted on my MBR on the 120 gig ide drive i'm trying to partition and mount. how can i resolve this and be able to partition and mount the drive? |
| 12:47.38 | fuzzy_logic | abortman: what is bind? |
| 12:47.40 | JonathanW | grub was installed not mounted |
| 12:47.52 | fsteves | !bind |
| 12:47.53 | dpkg | methinks bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "apt-get install bind9-doc" |
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| 12:49.30 | sander | WHere can I download a netinstall cd iso image for etch? |
| 12:49.41 | fsteves | !netinstall |
| 12:49.41 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 12:49.57 | fsteves | man that thing is handy lol |
| 12:50.23 | fsteves | sander: Etch is stable now |
| 12:50.27 | fsteves | btw |
| 12:50.33 | sander | Kidding?.. |
| 12:50.34 | sander | Hm |
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| 12:50.54 | sander | WHen did it become stable? |
| 12:50.55 | Guerin | sander: KUATBT |
| 12:51.01 | dutchfish | !sunday not yet |
| 12:51.02 | Guerin | sander: about three weeks ago |
| 12:51.41 | sander | Ok.. which one should I use for my desktop pc then? |
| 12:51.54 | streuner | if you have to ask? |
| 12:51.56 | sander | Whats next after etch? |
| 12:51.56 | Guerin | sander: etch. If you want lenmny you can always upgrade later |
| 12:52.01 | Guerin | lenny |
| 12:52.02 | HostilePenguin | etch-lenny |
| 12:52.26 | abrotman | you cannot use lemmy for your desktop though :) |
| 12:52.42 | sander | abrotman, why not? |
| 12:52.45 | norc | how would I upgrade from etch to lenny? just add the proper source in the sources.list and do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:52.49 | sander | Should I use etch? |
| 12:52.51 | abrotman | sander: lemmy .. not lenny :) |
| 12:52.56 | sander | hehe. ok. |
| 12:52.58 | HostilePenguin | aptitude |
| 12:52.58 | Guerin | sander: because of the ace of spades |
| 12:53.06 | abrotman | sander: start with etch .. then go to lenny later if need be |
| 12:53.13 | dutchfish | !lenny |
| 12:53.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 12:53.24 | sander | ok |
| 12:53.24 | CaT[tm] | wow. konsole has gotten slower. |
| 12:53.35 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: impossible |
| 12:53.51 | Soul_Mx | Where can I read about this: How can I boot kernel 2.6.18 (Etch) with option hda=remap63? Kernel 2.6.8 it can. |
| 12:54.00 | fsteves | sander: Its personal choice, Etch is Stable (MOST of the kinks have been worked out), Lenny is Testing (STILL a lot of dependancy issues, kinks in the system) |
| 12:55.28 | sander | fsteves, I've used etch for a year or so.. |
| 12:55.29 | liable | CaT[tm]: howso? |
| 12:55.29 | raz0 | Soul_Mx, Grub? |
| 12:55.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maxigraf: Why are you pinging me? |
| 12:55.29 | sander | I guess I should wait for upgrading it to lenny. |
| 12:55.36 | abrotman | liable: it's kde .. :) |
| 12:55.37 | dutchfish | fsteves, sander and this will be for some time, at least until next kernel transition |
| 12:55.39 | Soul_Mx | With Grub. |
| 12:55.54 | raz0 | Soul_Mx, If temporary, just hit 'e' at startup. |
| 12:55.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: maybe the libc transition ? |
| 12:56.11 | raz0 | Soul_Mx, Otherwise it's /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:56.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, that oone first, yes |
| 12:56.22 | sander | dutchfish, how long time is that.. in a normal time format? ;-p |
| 12:56.24 | abrotman | !info lib6 etch |
| 12:56.27 | abrotman | !info lib6 sid |
| 12:56.28 | CaT[tm] | I can see the scrolling. I half suspect the 'nv' driver is not upto the task. |
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| 12:56.31 | _JusSx_ | '/j #fuse |
| 12:56.32 | abrotman | !info libc6 etch |
| 12:56.34 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 12:56.36 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 12:56.38 | dutchfish | sander, its ready ... when its ready |
| 12:56.44 | CaT[tm] | as in I can see it try and scroll the text. |
| 12:56.55 | sander | dutchfish, LIke.. weeks or months? |
| 12:56.57 | liable | CaT[tm]: thats not konsole at all |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | sander: just use etch for now .. ignore lenny :) |
| 12:57.19 | sander | kk |
| 12:57.22 | dutchfish | !info libc6-xen lenny |
| 12:57.27 | dpkg | libc6-xen: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [Xen version]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13 (lenny), Packaged size: 1095 kB, Installed size: 2488 kB |
| 12:57.51 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 12:57.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4325 kB, Installed size: 10644 kB |
| 12:58.03 | CaT[tm] | liable: I think you're assuming something that I'm not, which is why your answer is not making sense to me :) |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:58.26 | Soul_Mx | raz0: I used to do that (2.6.8), now (2.6.18) it doesn't work. |
| 12:58.34 | liable | CaT[tm]: i am assuming you dont really know why its slow, because its not slow at all here |
| 12:59.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, ill wait until 2.6.20 will enter and the kvm issues will be fixed, at least months |
| 12:59.13 | raz0 | !tell Soul_Mx about doesn't work |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'll wait for the first gnome transition! :) |
| 12:59.32 | CaT[tm] | liable: the fact that it's not slow for you bears nothing on my knowledge of the situation. despite this I will grant you that I don't really know why it's slow but I think I'm making apretty good guess here. |
| 12:59.35 | dutchfish | abrotman, :) |
| 12:59.53 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: try xterm .. have the same problem ? |
| 13:00.21 | dutchfish | abrotman, then you will be stuck until the new libc6 will enter (few weeks i expect) |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: doesn't bother me .. etch is perfectly usable for a desktop |
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| 13:00.55 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: nope. |
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| 13:01.09 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: so now tell that to liable ! |
| 13:01.11 | dutchfish | abrotman, so true |
| 13:01.17 | dutchfish | abrotman, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libc6 |
| 13:01.19 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: but then I don't have a transparent bg in the xterm. that said, this same setup worked just fine under sarge. |
| 13:01.24 | js_ | can i create a raid5 volume withoutr the parity drive because i want to add it later? |
| 13:01.31 | Soul_Mx | Remap the HD is no support in 2.6.18? |
| 13:01.42 | liable | CaT[tm]: right, so because an x app is slow is of course that apps fault and has nothing to do with the underlying libs or system that its using |
| 13:01.55 | abrotman | dutchfish: yeah .. it's not gonna shoot right in :) |
| 13:02.16 | CaT[tm] | liable: you definately need to reread what I've said so far. either you missed a crucial statement by me or have purposefully denied its existance |
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| 13:03.18 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: do you really believe the nv driver affects it ? |
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| 13:04.22 | CaT[tm] | abrot: possibly. wont know till I try. wont take much to do so. |
| 13:04.58 | abrotman | there's a package in sid that's been waiting over four years to go into testing |
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| 13:05.07 | CaT[tm] | wow |
| 13:05.09 | liable | i am using it with vesa atm, so if you blame kosole for the actuall problem, then i guess i must have a super vesa driver |
| 13:05.10 | CaT[tm] | what is it? |
| 13:05.18 | abrotman | ftp client i think :) |
| 13:05.23 | CaT[tm] | hah |
| 13:05.27 | CaT[tm] | wtf? :) |
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| 13:06.28 | abrotman | oh .. stranger still .. it's in oldstable/unstable .. but nowhere else |
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| 13:08.09 | CaT[tm] | what's it called? |
| 13:09.20 | dutchfish | abrotman, what is good ftpclient for gnome btw? |
| 13:09.29 | abrotman | xterm ? :) |
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| 13:09.41 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: lukemftp |
| 13:09.53 | CaT[tm] | dutch: lftp :) |
| 13:09.53 | dutchfish | abrotman, for newbie colege :) |
| 13:10.01 | CaT[tm] | abrot: never heard of it |
| 13:10.39 | abrotman | dutchfish: nautilus can do ftp |
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| 13:12.08 | dutchfish | abrotman, i am looking for something like casablanca but then for gnome |
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| 13:12.24 | ma3x | Opening /dev/dvb/adapter0/audio0 |
| 13:12.26 | ma3x | I dont have audio |
| 13:12.35 | abrotman | dutchfish: like what ? |
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| 13:12.49 | abrotman | dutchfish: filezilla ? |
| 13:13.34 | dutchfish | abrotman, kasablanca can do fxp that why |
| 13:13.34 | abrotman | dutchfish: interactive or just to grab ? |
| 13:14.24 | dutchfish | abrotman, and with interactive |
| 13:14.51 | abrotman | nautilus can do that .. filezilla can .. honestly .. i use the cli client |
| 13:15.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, me to, but he likes something without console |
| 13:15.30 | abrotman | nautilus or filezilla! :) |
| 13:15.40 | dutchfish | abrotman, oki, thx ! |
| 13:16.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: you should probably try them first :) |
| 13:17.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, just trying to debianize my fellow colleges, they got impressed when etch came out |
| 13:17.41 | abrotman | it's not like sarge was bad |
| 13:18.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, no, not at all, but it lacked newer hardware support |
| 13:18.15 | abrotman | it did ? |
| 13:18.24 | abrotman | oh .. i mean when it was released :) |
| 13:18.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, and ... installing a new desktop is alot easier |
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| 13:19.13 | abrotman | yeah .. filezilla is in etch .. and it's got a lot of options |
| 13:19.31 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes trying it out atm |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | the developers in my office can even figure it out! :) |
| 13:20.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, then it will serve his needs ;) |
| 13:20.13 | Dave2 | I thought FZ was Windows-only |
| 13:20.19 | abrotman | !info filezilla etch |
| 13:20.22 | dpkg | filezilla: (Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0~beta2-3 (etch), Packaged size: 677 kB, Installed size: 1704 kB |
| 13:20.22 | ChrisW_ | hey all, why does "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" try and remove linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 ? |
| 13:20.30 | Dave2 | that would explain it then |
| 13:20.33 | abrotman | ChrisW_: it has to |
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| 13:20.45 | abrotman | ChrisW_: the udev that your kernel requires isn't compaitible with your old kernel |
| 13:21.02 | ChrisW_ | well okay, but why do I get whine about it on this box and not on the other two I just did, which were both on 2.6.12 as well? |
| 13:21.25 | martiancode | hi, I'm having problems getting rsync straight, what do I need to rsync a file to my debian box from another distro for example running under vmware? |
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| 13:21.38 | martiancode | or may be generally from anywhere |
| 13:22.00 | ChrisW_ | martiancode: rather than just saying you're having problems, how about you tell us what they are? ;-) |
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| 13:22.12 | abrotman | ChrisW_: might not have been using udev ? |
| 13:22.19 | ChrisW_ | how could I check? |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | i vote you just let it happen .. |
| 13:22.39 | ChrisW_ | despite the dire warnings I see? |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | mm .. new kernel + udev could make a fun saturday! |
| 13:23.04 | dutchfish | abrotman, lol |
| 13:23.10 | ChrisW_ | well, this is the 3rd box out of 10 I'm doing |
| 13:23.21 | ChrisW_ | the 1st was on 2.4 and was a nightmare |
| 13:23.37 | giupy | why when i connect me trough ssh to a pc running sshd, into a lan router, adsl connection goes down |
| 13:23.39 | giupy | ? |
| 13:23.41 | erikl | eeh? http://transmission.m0k.org/images/screenshots/gtk.png |
| 13:23.44 | erikl | Isn't that QT? |
| 13:23.45 | ChrisW_ | the other two were on 2.6.12 and went very smoothly, none of the dire warnings about removing the running kernel |
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| 13:24.03 | abrotman | erikl: looks like gtk to me |
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| 13:24.40 | kabile | hi everybody. |
| 13:25.05 | giupy | perhaps because i have amuled running ? |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | !depends transmission etch |
| 13:25.17 | giupy | can they conflict ? |
| 13:25.23 | dpkg | transmission: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.4), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1 |
| 13:25.29 | kabile | how can i change make output, exam: gcc -o blabla = Compiling bla bla |
| 13:25.41 | kabile | i want change this in makefile.. |
| 13:25.41 | abrotman | erikl: see .. gtk |
| 13:25.56 | erikl | http://developer.kde.org/~danimo/screenies/plastique.png |
| 13:26.13 | abrotman | erikl: and ? |
| 13:26.15 | erikl | looks like a gtk theme out of kde's plastik |
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| 13:26.50 | kabile | do'nt be in hinding makefile monsters :) |
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| 13:27.10 | abrotman | erikl: there are lots of gtk themes |
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| 13:31.48 | CaT[tm] | blessed be the cheese. http://www.cheddarvision.tv/ |
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| 13:34.12 | biz | hi, anyone experienced in the usage of bc? i'm invoking bc with a loaded math lib: echo '2^(((l(15)-l(8))/(l(3)-l(2)))+1)-3^((l(15)-l(8))/(l(3)-l(2)))' | bc -l, however i get errors about a non-zero scale in exponent, sure it is non-zero but how can i get bc to calculate this? |
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| 13:34.58 | erikl | abrotman: I just got so confused that's all :) |
| 13:35.11 | bhundven | CaT[tm]: imho this is much more fun to watch: http://shesalwayscallingme.ytmnd.com/ |
| 13:35.15 | debian-san | I'm looking for a tool to only scp (ssh copy) files that have changed locally. I'm sure someone knows such a tool. |
| 13:35.21 | ChrisW_ | ah, it seems "aptitude install initrd-tools" first is the magic key to stop warnings about removing the running kernel |
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| 13:35.35 | abrotman | erikl: i noticed :) |
| 13:35.50 | abrotman | debian-san: rsync |
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| 13:36.22 | debian-san | That's it. I had forgotten the name. Thanks. |
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| 13:38.28 | CaT[tm] | bhund: nothing beats cheese growing up. |
| 13:39.01 | jelly-home | biz: why not use e(l(x) * y) instead of x^y ? |
| 13:39.19 | crm_ | heh |
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| 13:40.17 | biz | jelly-home: actually i figured it out bc doesn't like anything other than integers in exponents |
| 13:41.05 | jelly-home | biz: that's what it said! |
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| 13:41.06 | agent | What is the performance hit when using LVM2? Is there an article on this subject available anywhere? Searching did not give good results. |
| 13:41.06 | jelly-home | biz: "non-zero scale" --> something on the right side of the decimal point |
| 13:41.35 | martiancode | whois CAiRO |
| 13:41.40 | martiancode | ? |
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| 13:41.53 | martiancode | just a joke never mind |
| 13:42.14 | biz | jelly-home: is there any other opensource tool you can suggest for such tasks? i have plenty of these to calculate and i won't rewrite them all to match e() |
| 13:42.26 | erikl | abrotman: testing kde have gotten my so ape like on gnome |
| 13:42.29 | erikl | :D |
| 13:42.34 | erikl | feels nice to be back on wmii |
| 13:42.39 | erikl | dwm** |
| 13:42.51 | abrotman | okay! |
| 13:43.07 | erikl | well, enough from me now, dinner |
| 13:43.24 | martiancode | alright guys i was asking about problems with rsync earlier sorry for not paying attention to the channel for few minutes there |
| 13:43.53 | martiancode | it's a problem with vmware i'm guessing as i couldn't ssh into the box running under vmware |
| 13:44.28 | martiancode | i could ssh from the mandriva box under vmware to my debian box "host box" though |
| 13:44.54 | jelly-home | biz: maybe wcalc |
| 13:45.21 | martiancode | as a result i couldn't rsync the test file between the 2 boxes |
| 13:45.21 | h3sp4wn | agent: negligable - I have read an article on it but don't remember where |
| 13:45.54 | martiancode | am i right about the cause of the problem it's vmware networking configuration? it has a bridged connection btw |
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| 13:46.30 | martiancode | bridged connection with the debian box "host machine" |
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| 13:46.38 | Octopssy | Is there any way u can zip multiple zip files at once? |
| 13:46.48 | Octopssy | like unzip archive-** |
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| 13:47.01 | agent | h3sp4wn: Ok. Thank you. Sounds great. I really do not see a reason not to use LVM2, even on a laptop. |
| 13:47.56 | martiancode | thanks in advance |
| 13:49.49 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 13:49.49 | dpkg | it has been said that vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 13:50.12 | dutchfish | !xen |
| 13:50.12 | dpkg | methinks xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
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| 13:51.24 | Soul_Mx | Hi. |
| 13:51.29 | Soul_Mx | Again. |
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| 13:52.38 | Azure | hi |
| 13:52.40 | Azure | can someone tell me why when i try to play video file on 1600x1200 screen resolution with mplayer all i see is green screen and if i switch to 1280x1024 everything is ok ? |
| 13:52.41 | mkl1525 | Hi, is there an up to date howto for configuration of wpa on a (ipw2200) etch notebook? |
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| 13:53.27 | h3sp4wn | mkl1525: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (view with zless) |
| 13:54.06 | Azure | can someone help me with this issue ? |
| 13:54.27 | CaT[tm] | woo |
| 13:54.30 | CaT[tm] | that fixed it |
| 13:54.43 | Azure | can someone tell me why when i try to play video file on 1600x1200 screen resolution with mplayer all i see is green screen and if i switch to 1280x1024 everything is ok ? |
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| 13:55.14 | wols_ | some ovrelay error |
| 13:55.28 | wols_ | use different output modes in 1600x1200 |
| 13:55.34 | Azure | where i had to fix it ? |
| 13:55.37 | mkl1525 | h3sp4wn, thanks |
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| 13:56.00 | Azure | what do u mean by different output models ? |
| 13:56.10 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: I was right. |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:56.21 | abrotman | that it was nv ? |
| 13:56.28 | vinicius | My apache is requesting my 'index.php' files to download instead of execute them in the browser, but when I do a 'echo "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" > index.php' on localhost root location, the browser execute this index.php and shows me the php information. What's worng? |
| 13:56.29 | wols_ | mode, not model |
| 13:56.31 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: using the closed nvidia driver. |
| 13:56.38 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: scrolling is now smooth. |
| 13:56.42 | agent | !tell Azure about repeat |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | CaT[tm]: that's not right .. but whatever :) |
| 13:57.08 | CaT[tm] | abrotman: well, yes. one would hope that the nv driver was upto snuff for at least 2d stuff :) |
| 13:57.16 | dutchfish | vinicius, maybe you phpcli and not the modphp for apache? |
| 13:57.31 | Soul_Mx | Can someone tell me how can I boot kernel 2.6.18 (Etch) with option hda=remap63? Kernel 2.6.8 do it just adding the option in grub, in 2.6.18 that doesn't work anymore. |
| 13:57.36 | HSorgYves | how to install the java package from sun under debian? |
| 13:57.36 | dutchfish | vinicius, or not enabled |
| 13:57.41 | Azure | so i had to change Desktop resolution ? |
| 13:57.46 | smacnay | hmm, I am getting errors like: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 13:57.52 | agent | Azure: It may possibly also be due to not having enough video memory, or video memory mismanagement. |
| 13:57.59 | wols_ | !tell HSorgYves about install java |
| 13:58.08 | HSorgYves | thx wols_ |
| 13:58.13 | smacnay | I put 'noacpi' in my grub config line but they still occur. |
| 13:58.13 | Azure | well i am using i915 video card |
| 13:58.20 | Azure | build in in MB |
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| 13:58.48 | smacnay | oops - noapci is what I have put in grub |
| 13:58.57 | wols_ | I told you to change mplayer output maodes, not desktop res |
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| 13:59.11 | dutchfish | smacnay, its NOAPIC |
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| 13:59.39 | smacnay | dutchfish: ah - that would explain... |
| 13:59.57 | CaT[tm] | hmm |
| 14:00.24 | xand | !apic |
| 14:00.25 | dpkg | somebody said apic was an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 14:01.11 | CaT[tm] | man. athcool works rather well. |
| 14:01.17 | smacnay | Azure: try 'mplayer -vo xv' or '-vo x11' or even -vo gl |
| 14:01.18 | Soul_Mx | Can someone tell me how can I boot kernel 2.6.18 (Etch) with option hda=remap63? Kernel 2.6.8 do it just adding the option in grub, in 2.6.18 that doesn't work anymore. |
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| 14:02.40 | agent | Azure: Try a different media player like VLC, and also try using different output (as in XVideo, X11, etc.) |
| 14:02.46 | CaT[tm] | whee. 7 deg cpu temp drop. |
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| 14:04.05 | Soul_Mx | What else should I read? |
| 14:04.12 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], just a reminder: i terrible jacked my server ones with athcool |
| 14:04.28 | CaT[tm] | dutchfish: oh? how so? |
| 14:04.37 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], it destroyed my FS |
| 14:04.44 | CaT[tm] | just dropped another degree. |
| 14:04.51 | CaT[tm] | dutch: ow. how'd it do that? |
| 14:05.08 | Bawbag | "iceweasel".. who came up with that name? |
| 14:05.26 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], read the docs, why. My system didnt sync in time |
| 14:05.50 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], on workstations its no big problem, but dont use it on servers |
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| 14:06.51 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], i tweak my servers manually for this issues |
| 14:06.53 | CaT[tm] | bawbag: not sure but it's the bestest name :) |
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| 14:07.11 | CaT[tm] | dutchfish: hmm. |
| 14:07.30 | earthian | hello, is it possible to decrease the size of journal in ext3 filesystem??? |
| 14:07.36 | CaT[tm] | dutchfish: I like the temp drop. and by this it's now 8.5 deg. that is rather lovely :) |
| 14:07.48 | CaT[tm] | earthian: yes, but why do you want to? |
| 14:07.56 | dutchfish | CaT[tm], just apt-cache show athtool and read |
| 14:08.03 | earthian | CaT[tm], it takes half of the partition |
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| 14:08.17 | earthian | in fact it would be best to convert the fs to ext2 |
| 14:09.28 | Bawbag | Yes. The bestestest name. |
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| 14:09.44 | CaT[tm] | earth: half? that's a bit... not right from my experience. |
| 14:09.56 | earthian | CaT[tm], its my /boot |
| 14:10.02 | earthian | 100mb size |
| 14:10.08 | earthian | i removed some files |
| 14:10.13 | vinicius | only the phps on the root location of jttp://localhost works, they do not work on subdirs...anyone knows what happens? |
| 14:10.17 | earthian | and now the journal takes 32m |
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| 14:10.19 | kabile | !tell makefile |
| 14:10.23 | earthian | 15m by the kernels |
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| 14:10.39 | CaT[tm] | dutch: that just says it might not why. |
| 14:11.04 | CaT[tm] | earth: I have a 256mb /. journal does not take up that much space there. |
| 14:11.32 | earthian | output from dumpe2fs --> Journal size: 32M |
| 14:11.48 | earthian | i dont like that too |
| 14:11.50 | earthian | :/ |
| 14:11.54 | earthian | how do i fix it? |
| 14:11.58 | earthian | what tool etc |
| 14:12.18 | CaT[tm] | mine's 4mb |
| 14:12.38 | earthian | ok. |
| 14:12.38 | CaT[tm] | earth: tune2fs may do it for you |
| 14:12.41 | earthian | what do i do? |
| 14:12.43 | earthian | hm |
| 14:12.44 | earthian | kk |
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| 14:15.57 | earthian | i get this: |
| 14:15.58 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# tune2fs -J size=4096 /dev/hda1 |
| 14:15.58 | earthian | tune2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 14:15.58 | earthian | The filesystem already has a journal. |
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| 14:16.06 | earthian | bah |
| 14:16.07 | earthian | :o |
| 14:16.14 | earthian | was too fast :\ |
| 14:16.43 | earthian | any idea how to go around that? :/ |
| 14:17.14 | bhundven | !paste |
| 14:17.14 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 14:18.17 | earthian | bhundven, dont call 3 lines a paste :/ |
| 14:18.24 | earthian | pff |
| 14:18.37 | bhundven | I don't make the rules |
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| 14:19.32 | wols_ | ArmEagle: delete the journal. or simply remount as ext3? |
| 14:20.01 | wols_ | doh |
| 14:20.05 | ArmEagle | woei! typo! :P |
| 14:20.30 | earthian | :o |
| 14:20.43 | earthian | wols_, how do i delete the journal? |
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| 14:21.09 | dutchfish | for a real 'cool' cpu, with power consumption, look at this: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330_9863_10837,00.html |
| 14:21.53 | Scapy | hi i have just installed debian and i am having a problem using the network card its a rtl8139d doesnt work |
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| 14:22.32 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 14:22.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:22.53 | Scapy | wols_, cannot be found |
| 14:23.09 | wols_ | WHAT cannot be found |
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| 14:23.20 | Scapy | the card its self |
| 14:23.34 | wols_ | !tell Scapy about smart questions |
| 14:23.49 | wols_ | does the card show up in lspci? |
| 14:23.58 | Scapy | i dont have lspci on the box |
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| 14:24.01 | Scapy | its a netistall cd |
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| 14:24.25 | wols_ | how did you check? |
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| 14:24.44 | wols_ | that there is no lspci? |
| 14:24.54 | Scapy | dmsg / lsmod / ifconfig |
| 14:25.20 | wols_ | modprobe 8139too |
| 14:25.27 | Scapy | i did that |
| 14:25.30 | Scapy | it didnt work |
| 14:25.39 | Scapy | thats why im not happy |
| 14:26.17 | dutchfish | modprobe rtl8150, does it work? |
| 14:26.17 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 14:26.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:26.22 | wols_ | don't you learn anything? |
| 14:26.53 | Scapy | dutchfish, iwill try |
| 14:28.20 | Scapy | then what dutchfish |
| 14:28.30 | Scapy | nothing in ifconfig -a |
| 14:28.37 | dutchfish | Scapy, what does lsmod tells you? |
| 14:28.44 | wols_ | if nothing shows up there, there MUST be an error |
| 14:29.30 | Scapy | wols_, there are no errors comming up |
| 14:29.51 | Scapy | rtl8150 |
| 14:29.54 | Scapy | is there dutchfish |
| 14:30.12 | wols_ | remove all the things you loaded |
| 14:31.20 | Scapy | hmmm would it make a difference ? |
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| 14:31.49 | Scapy | dutchfish, what should i do next? |
| 14:32.06 | dutchfish | Scapy, 1. follow wols_, 2. you could have a problem with a weird chipset 3. use ifconfig to config eth0 |
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| 14:33.02 | Scapy | eth0 isnt there even |
| 14:33.24 | dutchfish | Scapy, you just booted from netinstall CD right? |
| 14:33.33 | Scapy | yes |
| 14:33.38 | Scapy | and installed the base system |
| 14:33.51 | dutchfish | Scapy, autodetect didnt find a card, right? |
| 14:34.21 | Scapy | yes it didnt |
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| 14:34.46 | dutchfish | Scapy, try reboot and start over with NOAPIC & acpi=off |
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| 14:36.50 | Skipp_OSX | hello all |
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| 14:37.56 | smacnay | Hi, I have read the blacklist info offered by dpkg and am having difficulty blacklisting certain modules. I have tried blacklisting just one module that shouldn't be called by any other (foredeth - a module for my nvidia eth driver) by adding the line "install forcedeth /bin/true" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and then updating the initramfs with /usr/sbin/update-initramfs. |
| 14:38.15 | smacnay | I am running the 2.6.18-4-k7 .deb kernel. |
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| 14:39.53 | Skipp_OSX | what is the easiest way to install debian? can I just download the netinstall disk and install from that? |
| 14:40.04 | dutchfish | Skipp_OSX, yes |
| 14:40.13 | smacnay | Skipp_OSX: yes - that is how I did it. |
| 14:40.21 | smacnay | Skipp_OSX: it worked really well |
| 14:41.29 | Skipp_OSX | cool |
| 14:41.50 | Skipp_OSX | the ftp site seems a bit slow, is there a torrent available? |
| 14:42.08 | dutchfish | !torrent |
| 14:42.09 | dpkg | i heard torrent is apt-cache search torrent and then pick a package you like, install it and read its documentation |
| 14:42.37 | dutchfish | oops not what i meant |
| 14:43.13 | dutchfish | Skipp_OSX, http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 14:43.38 | dutchfish | Skipp_OSX, but you dont need it with netinstal iso |
| 14:44.01 | abrotman | you can get the netinst via torrent |
| 14:44.10 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 14:44.53 | Skipp_OSX | dutchfish: nice, thanks |
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| 14:45.24 | bzed | the torrents are FAST :D |
| 14:45.52 | Skipp_OSX | wow I am downloading at 1M/s |
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| 14:46.13 | bzed | Skipp_OSX: not a problem of the server then ;) |
| 14:46.16 | erikl | bzed: it's becuase debian users doesn't spend 24/7 seeding pr0n |
| 14:46.19 | Skipp_OSX | that is fast |
| 14:46.22 | erikl | I guess |
| 14:46.36 | Skipp_OSX | well, the torrent is 1M/s the ftp site was 20k/s |
| 14:46.41 | Skipp_OSX | lil difference |
| 14:47.20 | bzed | Skipp_OSX: oh ok. I'm used to get 100 mbit from the torrent seeder... ;) |
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| 14:49.27 | Skipp_OSX | bzed: well, this is just a cable modem so 1M/s speeds are pretty unheard of |
| 14:51.03 | bzed | hehe true ;) |
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| 14:52.21 | nevyn | hrm |
| 14:52.30 | epsilon | that explains why I uploaded 700GB etch dvd iso this month :D |
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| 14:53.26 | Skipp_OSX | nice frame buffer install |
| 14:53.28 | xand | how are you "meant to" restart inetd? |
| 14:53.34 | epsilon | or just verify the iso md5sum/sah1 |
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| 14:53.52 | epsilon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.53 | Skipp_OSX | still cherry menu based I see |
| 14:54.01 | asg | xand: or pkill -HUP inetd |
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| 14:54.18 | xand | epsilon: it's not in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 14:54.37 | epsilon | xand: it should be |
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| 14:55.02 | asg | xand: it's openbsd-inetd on etch and higher |
| 14:55.09 | xand | I see |
| 14:55.26 | epsilon | ah renamed? I still have sarge |
| 14:55.42 | asg | epsilon: different implementation in etch and higher. |
| 14:55.48 | epsilon | ok |
| 14:55.53 | Skipp_OSX | ooh, LVM integration in the installer, that's nice |
| 14:55.54 | asg | epsilon: sarge uses the netkit inetd iirc |
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| 14:56.58 | Skipp_OSX | is there an easy way to setup an LVM volume from say a live CD if I were to need to do so for a bare metal restore? |
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| 14:57.34 | Skipp_OSX | without installing Debian... I just want to create the partitions |
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| 14:58.38 | wols_ | just dd the restore image over. the LVN is only administration info and inside the image |
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| 14:59.08 | Skipp_OSX | wols_ isn't dd'ing an image... bad? |
| 14:59.16 | Skipp_OSX | a large image I mean |
| 14:59.37 | wols_ | depends. why do you think it is? |
| 14:59.53 | smacnay | Well, blacklisting modules in my new Debian install does not require me to follow the instructions for blacklisting given by dpkg... For some reason, I need to add a file to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ and put unwanted modules in it. Even though I removed hotplug from the system. |
| 15:00.25 | bhundven | smacnay: yea... udev provides hotplug |
| 15:00.33 | smacnay | Is there some reason that, with hotplug removed and a correctly configured /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file, this would happen |
| 15:00.40 | smacnay | bhundven: I have udev installed. |
| 15:00.43 | bhundven | right |
| 15:01.16 | smacnay | bhundven: so, with udev installed, I am still running hotplug... sort of? |
| 15:01.32 | Skipp_OSX | well, perhaps it is just an urban myth, but I always heard that dd'ing an image was bad because if any part of the image gets corrupted, the whole thing is bunk, plus, since it stores partition info, if you were to dd from one hard drive to a different model/brand/variety etc, it might not fit |
| 15:01.47 | smacnay | bhundven: Do I need udev? |
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| 15:02.01 | Skipp_OSX | also, there is no way to get just a single file or two out of a dd image... unlike say tar |
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| 15:02.29 | smacnay | bhundven: I am using initramfs but does that conflict with udev? |
| 15:02.36 | bhundven | zless /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz -- and search for hotplug |
| 15:02.43 | bhundven | no |
| 15:03.08 | Skipp_OSX | am I wrong in any of my above assumptions? |
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| 15:04.10 | jelly-home | Skipp_OSX: there are some precautions to take, but it's not that bad |
| 15:04.29 | bhundven | smacnay: to quote what I want you to read: "udevd also manages the hotplug events and if needed dispatches them to other programs using RUN rules, as a replacement of the old /sbin/hotplug. The hotplug package is not needed anymore and is disabled when udev is installed, so it should be removed." |
| 15:04.38 | un1xer | Hi guys, i'm installing quake 4 but i must be missing some pakage becouse the installer just runs in console mode, any ideas on why? |
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| 15:05.19 | Skipp_OSX | jelly-home: okay, well, I am comming from a FreeBSD background, where the backup/restore process goes something like this |
| 15:05.44 | Skipp_OSX | dump or tar system to another system, or perhaps a tape device or local hard drive |
| 15:06.20 | smacnay | bhundven: just read that - thanks. |
| 15:06.27 | bhundven | ;) |
| 15:06.49 | Skipp_OSX | when you want to restore, you load up the freeBSD install cd, setup your partition tables, etc, then drop to a console, do a tar or restore to restore the system back |
| 15:06.50 | smacnay | bhundven: I guess I want udev to run but will need to determine how to avoid loading modules. |
| 15:07.02 | smacnay | bhundven: this is what has perplexed me. |
| 15:07.19 | Skipp_OSX | I am wondering what the process is like on a Linux system |
| 15:07.23 | jelly-home | Skipp_OSX: that's the general idea here too |
| 15:07.28 | wols_ | Skipp_OSX: you can do something like that in Linux too, using a Linux Live CD |
| 15:07.31 | bhundven | smacnay: gimme a sec... I'll explain how to do it in a sec, but I need coffee first ;) |
| 15:07.36 | Skipp_OSX | okay =) |
| 15:07.39 | wols_ | Skipp_OSX: you only need to set up the bootloader correctly |
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| 15:08.10 | smacnay | bhundven: ok - just to let you know that I did the blacklisting from the initramfs side of things but to no avail. |
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| 15:08.43 | smacnay | bhundven: as described in the "/msg dpkg blacklist" and "/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs" |
| 15:09.54 | smacnay | I did remove hotplug but its /etc/hotplug dir were left behind (no issue for me). But, adding a file with module names to NOT load under /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ allowed me to avoid loading modules. So something (udev?) is reading that dir for info? |
| 15:10.07 | smacnay | bhundven: I hope your coffee is warm. :) |
| 15:10.57 | Skipp_OSX | what I need to know first is, is using LVM going to a problem in this backup/restore process? we don't have any fancy LVMs built-in on the FreeBSD side |
| 15:10.58 | bhundven | hehe |
| 15:11.14 | bhundven | smacnay: read again: "udevd also manages the hotplug events", so the /etc/hotplug directory needs to be there! |
| 15:11.26 | smacnay | bhundven: that is what I am assuming now. |
| 15:11.26 | bhundven | with the files inside included |
| 15:11.32 | smacnay | yes |
| 15:11.37 | bhundven | s/assuming/know/ |
| 15:11.41 | bhundven | ;) |
| 15:11.47 | smacnay | hehe |
| 15:12.09 | un1xer | Hi guys, i'm installing quake 4 but i must be missing some qt pakage becouse the installer just runs in console mode, any ideas on why? |
| 15:12.33 | smacnay | so, just add modules I don't want loaded to the same /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/filename. The initramfs approach is null I assume? |
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| 15:13.14 | smacnay | bhundven: And without udevd or hotplug, do I lose that ability for my system to pick up pluggable usb devices? |
| 15:13.17 | bhundven | I've never done it through initramfs, but after adding what you want to /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ , you'll need to restart udev to have it reread those files... /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 15:13.27 | bhundven | smacnay: yea |
| 15:14.04 | smacnay | bhundven: great - thanks - that is all I need to know now. I have so many unwanted modules loading right now. This is a big help. |
| 15:14.19 | bhundven | no problem |
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| 15:17.32 | bhundven | man... work is quiet today. |
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| 15:18.25 | Talisker | hiת, i can't switch between languages, i'm getting this message: setxkbmap us --> Error loading new keyboard description |
| 15:18.37 | robin_sz | ok, so which package provide the Java 'jar' command? |
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| 15:18.58 | Skipp_OSX | okay, I am installing with LVM, since I want to test it out, do you guys generally install seperate / /usr /tmp /var/ and /home partitions or do you just lump it all into one big /, what is the convention? |
| 15:19.12 | asg | robin_sz: it should be part of whatever jre/jdk you have installed |
| 15:19.20 | robin_sz | asg, very funny |
| 15:19.26 | asg | robin_sz: I'm serious |
| 15:19.27 | bhundven | sun-java6-jdk: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.00/bin/jar |
| 15:19.36 | bhundven | found by 'dpkg -S jar' |
| 15:19.54 | bhundven | !find |
| 15:19.59 | asg | !search |
| 15:20.00 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 15:20.16 | bhundven | hehe |
| 15:20.20 | robin_sz | asg, well, I have a jdk and that provides java, javac etc, but apparently not jar |
| 15:20.27 | bhundven | I knew it was find or search... |
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| 15:20.45 | asg | robin_sz: look in the bin directory. Also, which jdk did you install? |
| 15:21.11 | smellydog | how to set TCP mode in DNS resolv? |
| 15:21.21 | robin_sz | asg, ah, its gone! |
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| 15:21.58 | robin_sz | asg, I did an apt-get upgrade and it went crazy, I had to do an apt-get -f install .. and it seems its gone |
| 15:22.08 | robin_sz | asg, and so has eclipse :( |
| 15:22.27 | bhundven | smellydog: ? tcp mode in dns resolv, could you explain what your trying to do? |
| 15:22.29 | asg | robin_sz: try re-installing the jdk package and/or eclipse |
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| 15:24.39 | smellydog | bhundven: Someone told me that DNS server has two serve mode, TCP mode and UDP mode |
| 15:24.53 | robin_sz | # dpkg -S bin/jar dpkg: *bin/jar* not found. |
| 15:25.08 | asg | smellydog: dns will sometimes fall back to using tcp if the payload returned is too large to fit in a UDP packet |
| 15:25.09 | bhundven | smellydog: yes, it does. you using bind? |
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| 15:25.37 | smellydog | bhundven: you can swtich to TCP mode to TCP mode using "vc" command in nslookup on Windows |
| 15:25.48 | bhundven | bleh |
| 15:26.19 | bhundven | do you have a reason why you would want to do this? |
| 15:27.00 | Skipp_OSX | I am guessing separate partitions is better, because a runaway script won't eat up all the HDD space... |
| 15:27.11 | ggeecko | what does it mean when a folder has a padlock symbol on it |
| 15:27.15 | smellydog | en... I am living in China, and ISP hijacked DNS query by send back me fake UDP package |
| 15:27.24 | centrx | watch out! |
| 15:27.29 | Skipp_OSX | but is that kind of thinking obsolete in the days of LVMs and quotas and what not? |
| 15:27.37 | smellydog | but I'm hearing that TCP query will not has that problem |
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| 15:28.14 | bhundven | ggeecko: it means that it's owned by someone else (probably root or another user) |
| 15:28.30 | bhundven | centrx: someone going to set us up the bomb? |
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| 15:29.01 | robin_sz | sigh .. my package managment seems completely screwed ... |
| 15:29.35 | bhundven | robin_sz: me 2... i'm not sure wtf happend, but I'm unable to install php5 or php4... I'm still trying to figure out what is going on. |
| 15:29.50 | Kevin` | smellydog for lookups for testing you can use the +tcp option for dig, but neither that or nslookup will change the os default |
| 15:30.36 | Talisker | is there anyway to reset setxkbmap without restarting the entire x session? |
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| 15:31.24 | smellydog | Kevin: Can config firefox using TCP DNS as default? |
| 15:31.24 | Skipp_OSX | you can't boot to an LVM partition? |
| 15:31.24 | robin_sz | bhundven, I did my usual apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I got a shed load of packages waiitng to go ... so I thought "oh, much has happened" and off they went, then they failed due to dependencies at some point, then it said "do an apt-get -f install" .. which I did, had to do it 3 times before it was happy .. now its fuxxored :( |
| 15:31.43 | robin_sz | this is etch ... |
| 15:32.01 | robin_sz | stable, apparently |
| 15:32.11 | bhundven | hmm |
| 15:32.25 | Skipp_OSX | robin_sz: don't lose heart, it is a common problem |
| 15:32.44 | robin_sz | err , oh good |
| 15:32.49 | BACbKA | am I right that, unlike lilo, grub doesn't automatically preserve the boot sector it overwrites, and thus there is no "uninstall" option with it? |
| 15:33.16 | robin_sz | I'll tell my client that the chnage he need to his lump of Java in two hours time will have to wait then :( |
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| 15:34.04 | Skipp_OSX | robin_sz: I was hoping that kind of nonsense had been ironed out by now |
| 15:34.25 | Skipp_OSX | it seems to be a perenial problem on Debian |
| 15:34.37 | robin_sz | Skipp_OSX, what nonsense? working for clients? |
| 15:35.08 | robin_sz | well, I guess so .. but we have to earn a living somehow |
| 15:35.09 | smellydog | Kevin: is Firefox using gethostbyname()? so there is no way for that? |
| 15:35.13 | Skipp_OSX | robin_sz: no apt breaking |
| 15:35.17 | robin_sz | oh that |
| 15:35.21 | themill | I've got a laptop with a "VIA High Definition Audio Controller" and I can't get the sound output above a really quiet level (it's at least 30dB quieter than my old laptop). Anyone come across that sort of thing before? |
| 15:35.49 | jaalto | Git users: I've made local chnages that I'd like to discard and start over. How do I roll back to last commit? |
| 15:35.50 | abrotman | themill: raise all the levels |
| 15:35.53 | themill | abrotman: both "master" and "pcm" at 100% |
| 15:36.00 | abrotman | jaalto: ask #git ? |
| 15:36.09 | robin_sz | Skipp_OSX, well, its the first time its happened to me in 4 years or so of debian |
| 15:36.12 | themill | abrotman: btw, do you ever sleep? |
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| 15:36.23 | abrotman | themill: define .. 'sleep |
| 15:36.26 | jaalto | abchirk, it's quiet there |
| 15:36.31 | robin_sz | themill, abrotman is just a bot |
| 15:36.31 | abrotman | jaalto: so wait |
| 15:36.34 | Skipp_OSX | robin_sz: I've not been so lucky |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
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| 15:36.42 | jaalto | abchirk, 48H? |
| 15:36.49 | abrotman | can't be that quiet |
| 15:36.50 | jaalto | abchirk, I mean real quiet |
| 15:36.58 | abrotman | jaalto: your tab key is broken |
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| 15:37.05 | Skipp_OSX | robin_sz: although it has been a while since I have run a production Debian server |
| 15:37.12 | qiy | why there's two sound device? |
| 15:37.14 | abrotman | themill: i got my .. 6-7 last night |
| 15:37.17 | jaalto | abrotman, "ab" ... case |
| 15:37.21 | abrotman | i know :) |
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| 15:37.38 | abrotman | jaalto: there's been no chatter at all ? |
| 15:37.38 | qiy | one is hda nvidia |
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| 15:37.45 | qiy | one is conexant |
| 15:37.46 | abrotman | jaalto: do they have a mailing list ? |
| 15:37.47 | aldin | i wan to backup my "/" partition is it "smart" to excude proc & sys dirs? sudo tar cvpf backup.tar --exclude=/backup.tar --exclude=/proc --exclude=/sys --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/media / |
| 15:37.47 | jaalto | abrotman, judging from 48h only handfull of lines |
| 15:37.53 | themill | abrotman: :) just that I've been burning the candle at both ends lately and you've been on line as often as me... |
| 15:37.53 | abrotman | qiy: that's your modem probably |
| 15:38.03 | qiy | abrotman: which? |
| 15:38.11 | abrotman | qiy: the conexant |
| 15:38.11 | robin_sz | themill, abrotman is a bot used by a group of admins to answert user questions, you never know which admin is using it at the time, think of abrotman as a sort of proxy agent ... that explains why 'he' is *always* on OK? |
| 15:38.18 | qiy | abrotman: my sound doens't work now |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | themill: any other devices ? |
| 15:38.43 | themill | robin_sz: see... I'm not sure whether you're taking the piss or not... never can be sure :) |
| 15:38.50 | abrotman | qiy: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 15:39.09 | abrotman | damn brits are always taking piss .. like it's candy or something |
| 15:39.32 | qiy | abrotman: conexant shows as OSS mixer |
| 15:39.33 | themill | abrotman: there's lots of "unknown" devices in lspci.... it's a POS laptop for being good hardware :( |
| 15:39.53 | Skipp_OSX | is it recommended to install your LVM partition on a different physical volume than your /boot resides? |
| 15:40.08 | yang | is anyone using afraid.org dns? |
| 15:40.10 | abrotman | !conexant |
| 15:40.10 | dpkg | a Conexant modem/ethernet device on a laptop is probably a tulip. |
| 15:40.11 | Skipp_OSX | physical volume = disk |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | themill: update-pciids |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | themill: and while you're at it .. update-usbids |
| 15:40.29 | BACbKA | Skipp: I have one phys disk in my machine, and /boot is outside the lvm |
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| 15:41.32 | themill | abrotman: will do... (never come across them before... ) btw lspci at http://paste.debian.net/26710 |
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| 15:42.51 | abrotman | themill: you might need to ask #alsa |
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| 15:43.45 | themill | abrotman: ok thought I might check if there was something blindingly obvious at the debian end first. thanks for your help! |
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| 15:44.52 | robin_sz | so, what is the fix for this breakage of etch? |
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| 15:45.11 | cplx | hi guys , can someone tlel me why my ssh session times out after an hour or so? |
| 15:45.17 | robin_sz | what %ge of etch installs are buggered by it? |
| 15:45.18 | cplx | my connection doesnt get d/c'd.. |
| 15:45.22 | cplx | is it a setting in sshd? |
| 15:45.25 | wols_ | robin_sz: considering you haven't describe the problem: do you think we are psychic? |
| 15:45.29 | robin_sz | cplx, yeah, firewalls and keepalive |
| 15:45.44 | Skipp_OSX | is it recommended to have your swap inside an LVM partition as Debian seems to suggest? |
| 15:45.45 | cplx | robin_sz: could you assist me on the keepalive part? |
| 15:45.59 | robin_sz | wols_, I described it once, but you are welcome to see it again .. one moment |
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| 15:46.11 | robin_sz | bhundven, I did my usual apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and I got a shed load of packages waiitng to go ... so I thought "oh, much has happened" and off they went, then they failed due to dependencies at some point, then it said "do an apt-get -f install" .. which I did, had to do it 3 times before it was happy .. now its fuxxored :( |
| 15:46.21 | robin_sz | it cant find many many packages anymore |
| 15:46.25 | wols_ | that is no description of the error at all |
| 15:46.33 | wols_ | "now its fuxxored" != error description |
| 15:46.38 | robin_sz | for example: |
| 15:46.46 | robin_sz | # dpkg -S bin/jar dpkg: *bin/jar* not found. |
| 15:46.57 | wols_ | then install the jdk? |
| 15:47.07 | robin_sz | E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-jdk |
| 15:47.16 | wols_ | java6 is NOT in etch |
| 15:47.21 | wols_ | !tell robin_sz about isntall java |
| 15:47.29 | wols_ | !tell robin_sz about install java |
| 15:47.37 | wols_ | contrib afaik |
| 15:47.39 | Skipp_OSX | ;adf |
| 15:47.51 | cplx | robin_sz: could you assist me on the keepalive part? |
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| 15:48.31 | robin_sz | wols_, well I DID have the sun-java5-jdk and eclipse installed and working fine until yesterday and the update thjing |
| 15:48.54 | qiy | abrotman: any idea |
| 15:49.02 | robin_sz | wols_, ok, its java-5 |
| 15:49.13 | wols_ | I told you |
| 15:49.14 | qiy | abrotman: still not working after i fllowed you |
| 15:49.19 | robin_sz | doesnt explain why a package that was there now isnt |
| 15:49.22 | cplx | robin_sz: hello? can you help me out at all? |
| 15:49.37 | robin_sz | cplx, yeah, firewalls and keepalive |
| 15:49.49 | wols_ | robin_sz: dpkg is a fantastic bot with great factoids... |
| 15:49.51 | cplx | robin_sz: KeepAlive yes - in SSHD_Config |
| 15:49.52 | robin_sz | look for a keepalive setting in your sshd conf |
| 15:50.12 | robin_sz | right, and you restarted sshd |
| 15:50.14 | robin_sz | ? |
| 15:50.25 | cplx | robin_sz: its always been "yes" |
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| 15:50.36 | robin_sz | then its your firewall, get a new one |
| 15:50.44 | cplx | robin_sz: it's a good firewall |
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| 15:51.04 | robin_sz | cplx, well then there is no problem |
| 15:51.08 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 15:51.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 15:51.31 | cahoot | that should be changed for etch |
| 15:51.41 | qiy | abrotman: i did all from alsa-checklist |
| 15:51.46 | robin_sz | cplx, if your firewall is good and being cut off after an hour is happeningm then , by deduction, being cut off after an hour is also good. problem solved |
| 15:52.03 | robin_sz | personally, i would call that a non-good firewall, but hey |
| 15:52.10 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base should suffice for etch |
| 15:53.27 | abrotman | qiy: and which fails ? |
| 15:53.41 | qiy | abrotman: no one |
| 15:53.57 | hark | cahoot: isn't it configured to ALSA by default for etch? |
| 15:54.03 | abrotman | qiy: they all work correctly ? |
| 15:54.04 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base should suffice for etch qiy |
| 15:54.20 | cahoot | hark: yes |
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| 15:54.39 | Talisker | which package should i install for gswitchit? |
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| 15:54.52 | wols_ | !tell Talisker about search |
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| 15:55.58 | qiy | abrotman: all work, but no soudn |
| 15:56.07 | Talisker | apt-cache search didn't work |
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| 15:56.19 | abrotman | qiy: did you try what cahoot said ? |
| 15:56.48 | qiy | abrotman: yes |
| 15:57.01 | qiy | abrotman: there's 3 options |
| 15:57.08 | abrotman | there is ? |
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| 15:57.11 | qiy | abrotman: alsa, oss, and default |
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| 15:57.14 | abrotman | use alsa |
| 15:57.48 | GNU\colo | are there any iso-images of installation media available installing "unstable" by default? |
| 15:58.14 | abrotman | it'll say at cdimage.debian.org if there is |
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| 15:58.30 | Skipp_OSX | GNU\colo: maybe but that wouldn't make a lot of sense |
| 15:58.44 | hark | the businesscard one should allow you to choose |
| 15:59.25 | simonrvn | "finally finished downloading that dvd image of sid! damn, it's out of date already!?" |
| 15:59.33 | hark | er, misread |
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| 15:59.45 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 15:59.54 | solemnwarning | I upgraded my server to etch, now sftp is broken |
| 15:59.58 | GNU\colo | so it's advised to install testing and then perform a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:00.05 | solemnwarning | If I try connecting I get this error: Received message too long 1500476704 |
| 16:00.28 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 16:00.39 | robin_sz | panic? |
| 16:01.07 | GNU\colo | hehe |
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| 16:01.27 | solemnwarning | Anyone had this problem before? |
| 16:01.28 | GNU\colo | tried increasing ssh's verbosity yet? maybe that gives you a clue |
| 16:01.30 | robin_sz | wols_, any clues as to what went wrong ? why did a load of previously installed packages suddenly become uninstalled? any ideas which other packages I should check? |
| 16:01.36 | solemnwarning | Good idea |
| 16:01.44 | fsteves | bah, im running 2.6.18-bigmem and its still only showing my system as having 896MB of ram |
| 16:02.40 | simonrvn | robin_sz: it doesn't suddenly get uninstalled. you let it happen |
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| 16:02.47 | solemnwarning | Debug loglevel didn't show anything helpful |
| 16:03.42 | concept10 | it still baffles me why etch was released with gnome 2.14 |
| 16:03.59 | hundfred | hi, after upgrading to debian etch i have trouble with saslauth/postfix, i get: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure, any suggestions |
| 16:03.59 | robin_sz | simonrvn, running etch, stable, I got a load of packages witing for install suddenly, then I got loads of dependency issues and had to to an -f install .. now that may be "letting it happen" but its still a problem ... |
| 16:04.02 | hundfred | ? |
| 16:04.27 | simonrvn | robin_sz: aptitude, aptitude, aptitude |
| 16:04.35 | robin_sz | simonrvn, I use apt-get |
| 16:04.54 | simonrvn | for a massive change like that, use something smarter |
| 16:05.28 | wols_ | robin_sz: since I didn't see what happened I can't say what went wrong |
| 16:05.35 | wols_ | robin_sz: have you done what I told you? |
| 16:05.47 | robin_sz | wols_, reinstalld the JDK, yes |
| 16:05.48 | simonrvn | robin_sz: there's the dpkg.log you can look at to reinstall stuff |
| 16:06.12 | robin_sz | wols_, just doing Eclipse, then to start finding out what else got removed |
| 16:06.25 | wols_ | robin_sz: considering sarge never ever had java5, the backport you used might not be bugfree. most probable explanation |
| 16:06.34 | robin_sz | sarge? |
| 16:06.39 | robin_sz | ive never run sarge |
| 16:06.39 | simonrvn | eeh yeh |
| 16:06.49 | wols_ | you updated sarge to etch no? |
| 16:06.53 | robin_sz | no |
| 16:06.58 | robin_sz | always been etch |
| 16:07.11 | wols_ | well etch was testing. testing has bugs, always |
| 16:07.34 | robin_sz | etch is stable, has been for weeks |
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| 16:08.09 | hark | robin_sz: you've been regualarly updating? |
| 16:08.18 | robin_sz | not daily, but yeah |
| 16:08.51 | hark | hmm, shouldn't have to do an -f install |
| 16:09.19 | wols_ | robin_sz: and you had a running, stable etch? |
| 16:09.28 | wols_ | cause if you did, why did you have to update/upgrade? |
| 16:09.34 | weshouldbegood | Hi.. I'm trying to install java using the instructions found at http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx but it tells me that /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 30: getopt: command not found.. any ideas other than a full reinstall? |
| 16:09.35 | robin_sz | yes |
| 16:09.49 | wols_ | robin_sz: it makes no sense. not really many updates for etch yet... |
| 16:09.52 | hark | i thought there were hardly any new updates for etch |
| 16:10.02 | wols_ | !tell weshouldbegood about install java |
| 16:10.05 | robin_sz | wols_, becuase I do a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... to "keep up to date" right? |
| 16:10.09 | wols_ | hark: and you'd be right |
| 16:10.13 | robin_sz | i thought that was what you did |
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| 16:10.29 | wols_ | robin_sz: well, when apt-get upgrade did upgrade something, you didn't ruch stable etch before... |
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| 16:10.47 | wols_ | and you're supposed to use aptitude usually. at least if you had read etch release notes |
| 16:11.35 | xand | weshouldbegood: you can get the proper java from non-free i think |
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| 16:11.45 | robin_sz | dotn think I have aptitude |
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| 16:11.51 | xand | as sun are (gradually) gpl-ing it |
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| 16:12.20 | weshouldbegood | ok.. i'll check |
| 16:12.24 | weshouldbegood | xand: thanks |
| 16:12.30 | hark | java is dead, install mono |
| 16:12.34 | robin_sz | wols_, well, I did change my mirrors a few weeks ago, as the one i was using started show 404s .. onof the UK ones, I forget which |
| 16:12.38 | xand | hark: haha. |
| 16:12.40 | hark | ;p |
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| 16:12.43 | war | Is debian-amd64 (x86_64) 64bit clean (e.g., if I don't want a 32bit userland) -- is that possible? |
| 16:13.00 | |DuReX| | hello dudes, i just added a sata controller to my pc and some hdd's |
| 16:13.03 | |DuReX| | @ boot i get ata3: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) |
| 16:13.03 | |DuReX| | ata3.00: ATA-7: WDC WD5000KS-00MNB0, 07.02E07, max UDMA/133 |
| 16:13.07 | h3sp4wn | war: it is fully 64 bit by default |
| 16:13.15 | |DuReX| | but how can i partition them ? :s /dev/sda doesn't open ;.. |
| 16:13.15 | war | no 32bit stuff then? |
| 16:13.32 | h3sp4wn | war: kernel support's 32bit and 64 bit binaries |
| 16:13.43 | h3sp4wn | war: only 32bit stuff if you install it |
| 16:13.47 | xand | |DuReX|: check in dmesg to see if that's the correct device name? |
| 16:13.50 | war | sweet |
| 16:13.53 | war | do you use 64bit yourself? |
| 16:13.56 | h3sp4wn | Yes |
| 16:14.04 | |DuReX| | xand: there is no device name in dmesg :s |
| 16:14.19 | war | h3sp4wn: awesome, I plan on using xfs + swraid5+1 (i do now) but under 64bit |
| 16:14.23 | war | h3sp4wn: do you forsee eany problems? |
| 16:14.38 | Talisker | hi, it seems that my /var partition is totally clogged, which files are safe to remove and do you have any tips regarding how to avoid such a situation in the future? |
| 16:14.49 | xand | |DuReX|: what does fdisk -l say? does it list anything? |
| 16:14.54 | xand | for that drive that is |
| 16:14.55 | h3sp4wn | war: makes life easier if you have /boot outside |
| 16:14.57 | weshouldbegood | xand: it's installing, but it's the previous version.. it's not the newest r11, but r10 |
| 16:15.06 | robin_sz | Talisker, define clogged? just in /var/log? |
| 16:15.07 | war | h3sp4wn: yeah I do already (under 32bit)- k thx I will give it a try later perhaps ;) |
| 16:15.08 | h3sp4wn | war: Don't see any particular problems |
| 16:15.09 | |DuReX| | no |
| 16:15.12 | weshouldbegood | xand: newest one came out about a month ago |
| 16:15.37 | Talisker | /dev/sda6 2885780 2885644 0 100% /var |
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| 16:15.46 | xand | weshouldbegood: well... the one in etch is 1.5/5 and the newest is 1.6/6 |
| 16:15.56 | hark | Talisker: you've run apt-get clean? |
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| 16:16.24 | xand | |DuReX|: where did you paste those two lines from? |
| 16:16.24 | robin_sz | weird, the jdk was not installed, but eclipse still was ... |
| 16:16.36 | |DuReX| | xand: from dmesg |
| 16:16.39 | Talisker | Gauss:/var/log# du -b /var/ |
| 16:16.39 | Talisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.48 | |DuReX| | it shows the harddisks, but not the 'dev' |
| 16:16.52 | h3sp4wn | war: /msg dpkg debian clone - might make the reinstall a bit (No supported way to switch arch and update the packages) |
| 16:16.55 | |DuReX| | dunno how they are named ... |
| 16:16.58 | |DuReX| | to run fdisk on them |
| 16:17.09 | xand | |DuReX|: dmesg | grep sda lists nothing? |
| 16:17.21 | |DuReX| | no |
| 16:17.27 | Skipp_OSX | Talisker: might expanding /var onto another partition on an additional HDD be a better solution? |
| 16:17.29 | Talisker | sorry, that was a wrong paste, the point is that /var/log is taking up about 95% of the lot |
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| 16:18.00 | xand | |DuReX|: so it does show sda then? |
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| 16:18.05 | robin_sz | Talisker, you run logrotate, right? |
| 16:18.08 | weshouldbegood | xand: 1.5 is still more stable, but a patch for it has come out jdk-1_5_0_11-linux-amd64.bin (the one on the debian mirrors is jdk-1.5_0_10-linux-amd64.bin equivalent |
| 16:18.10 | Talisker | skipp - i thought about that but i don't know how to do that |
| 16:18.16 | Bladerunner05 | Hi all when in mail.log see impalogin..... body=2839 it say that someone have read a message ? |
| 16:18.21 | tonyb2006 | can I tell wget with its -I list thing to download more than 1 file at once? |
| 16:18.21 | xand | weshouldbegood: I see |
| 16:18.57 | |DuReX| | xand: how u mean 'show sda' |
| 16:19.12 | |DuReX| | no 'sda' in dmesg |
| 16:19.15 | Skipp_OSX | Talisker: I don't suppose that you are running /var in LVM, which would make it relatively trivial? |
| 16:19.19 | xand | |DuReX|: you said no it not listing them, which implies it does list it |
| 16:19.25 | xand | |DuReX|: what sata controller is it? |
| 16:19.33 | xand | |DuReX|: pastebin the output of lspci |
| 16:19.48 | simonrvn | Talisker: you rinning logrotate at all? |
| 16:19.54 | simonrvn | Talisker: run* |
| 16:20.03 | |DuReX| | 02:07.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 16:20.10 | simonrvn | oh i see it was already asked |
| 16:20.16 | |DuReX| | scsi 0:0:0:0: Direct-Access ATA WDC WD5000KS-00M 07.0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 |
| 16:20.18 | |DuReX| | they are seen |
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| 16:20.23 | |DuReX| | driver works fine ... |
| 16:20.27 | simonrvn | Talisker: pretty much install and have it run everyday |
| 16:20.37 | war | h3sp4wn: k cool hopefully I want have any problems |
| 16:20.41 | war | |DuReX|: I have 12 hdd in my box |
| 16:20.45 | war | |DuReX|: using those same cards |
| 16:20.49 | war | |DuReX|: I get 850MB/s |
| 16:20.54 | war | pretty good cards ;) |
| 16:20.59 | robin_sz | so slow? |
| 16:21.16 | war | |DuReX|: try /dev/sdc,d,e,f,g,h,j etc, its one of them |
| 16:21.35 | yang | is anyone using afraid.org dns? |
| 16:21.38 | xand | |DuReX|: dmesg | less and look for the disks |
| 16:21.39 | robin_sz | I use quantum transfer, it transfers everyting right now |
| 16:21.52 | |DuReX| | no war: none of them |
| 16:22.11 | |DuReX| | ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) |
| 16:22.11 | |DuReX| | ata1.00: ATA-7: WDC WD5000KS-00MNB0, 07.02E07, max UDMA/133 |
| 16:22.11 | |DuReX| | ata1.00: 976773168 sectors, multi 16: LBA48 NCQ (depth 0/32) |
| 16:22.11 | |DuReX| | ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 |
| 16:22.11 | |DuReX| | scsi1 : sata_sil |
| 16:22.11 | *** kick/#debian [|DuReX|!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:22.14 | Skipp_OSX | jebus 12 HDDs!?!?! I hope you are using RAID at least |
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| 16:22.18 | war | Skipp_OSX: yes |
| 16:22.21 | |DuReX| | that it shows ... :s |
| 16:22.24 | war | Skipp_OSX: 10 raptor 150 hard drives |
| 16:22.27 | war | |DuReX|: fdisk -l |
| 16:22.29 | war | as root |
| 16:22.31 | war | what does it show |
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| 16:22.38 | xand | war: i suggested that already :S |
| 16:22.42 | war | o |
| 16:22.43 | xand | !paste |
| 16:22.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 16:22.45 | war | nvm then |
| 16:22.48 | xand | |DuReX|: pastebin all of dmesg |
| 16:22.58 | Skipp_OSX | war: I do like Raptors, they are nice, fast cheap storage |
| 16:23.05 | war | yep |
| 16:23.16 | Skipp_OSX | SCSI is overpriced IMHO, compared to SATA |
| 16:23.18 | war | currently I am only using 7 of them, need to re-config my raid, but I love 420MB/s read+write |
| 16:23.18 | war | yep |
| 16:23.20 | war | and SAS |
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| 16:23.35 | war | 1gbps ethernet is slow now :( |
| 16:23.39 | war | need 10GBpe |
| 16:23.48 | jetscreamer | hey for fstab, does this look right? |
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| 16:23.49 | jetscreamer | root=UUID=4e0f1ef0-cf5a-4d63-9c6c-e3ff9c9b09c1 / jfs defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 16:24.02 | |DuReX| | xand: http://paste.debian.net/26717 |
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| 16:24.05 | Talisker | I've learned something new today |
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| 16:24.22 | agent | !tell yang about ask |
| 16:24.24 | Talisker | Appearntly nothign works when you have no space left in my var partition |
| 16:24.26 | war | xang, he might be using udev maybe? |
| 16:24.31 | Talisker | Including switching kewmaps |
| 16:24.34 | war | xang or a mis-configured udev ? :P |
| 16:24.35 | war | xang, brb |
| 16:24.41 | jetscreamer | i'm more important, stop what you are doing and answer me now!!! :) |
| 16:24.43 | yang | agent: I would like to find afraid.org irc support channel |
| 16:24.54 | war | |DuReX|: brb in ~12min - send me what cat /proc/partitions says |
| 16:25.00 | xand | |DuReX|: that's not all of it |
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| 16:25.13 | xand | |DuReX|: there's nothing else disk related? |
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| 16:25.34 | agent | yang: Did you try looking on afraid.org? If it is not listed there or on Google it probably does not exist. |
| 16:25.37 | |DuReX| | no xand only that |
| 16:25.48 | |DuReX| | war: /proc/partitions doesn't show them neither :( |
| 16:25.50 | xand | |DuReX|: yeah, what does /proc/partitions have? |
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| 16:26.22 | xand | |DuReX|: what other disks do you have? |
| 16:26.29 | |DuReX| | 4 ide disks |
| 16:26.30 | |DuReX| | those wok |
| 16:26.33 | |DuReX| | work |
| 16:26.36 | |DuReX| | were there before |
| 16:26.36 | yang | agent: I tried, it wasn't mentioned |
| 16:26.58 | yang | agent: so I wondering if anyone uses it as a backup DNS |
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| 16:27.29 | Octopssy | Why doesn't this work: |
| 16:27.30 | Octopssy | find / -name *.r* |
| 16:27.32 | Da-Real-King | ~test |
| 16:27.43 | apt | Test Passed! |
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| 16:27.43 | Da-Real-King | ~ test |
| 16:27.45 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 16:27.45 | |DuReX| | they are shown in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 16:27.45 | Da-Real-King | hallo? |
| 16:27.45 | xand | |DuReX|: what kernel do you have? |
| 16:27.51 | |DuReX| | 2.6.21 |
| 16:27.53 | Da-Real-King | :D |
| 16:27.54 | agent | yang: Try asking in #dns - it may yield better results. |
| 16:27.56 | xand | hm |
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| 16:28.03 | yang | agent: yes i tried |
| 16:28.18 | xand | |DuReX|: did you compile it yourself? |
| 16:28.23 | agent | yang: Then I am out of ideas. :) |
| 16:28.37 | yang | agent: ok , thanks for suggestions |
| 16:28.41 | |DuReX| | yes xand |
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| 16:28.45 | |DuReX| | with drivers for the controller |
| 16:28.47 | frAnz | why is the 3.1 installer so screwed up now? |
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| 16:28.58 | xand | |DuReX|: does the stock kernel not support the controller then? |
| 16:29.17 | xand | frAnz: why are you using it? |
| 16:29.49 | frAnz | because there are applications built around 3.1 that dont yet work on 4.0 |
| 16:29.49 | crono- | I installed the proftpd package and i havent altered the configuration (local users, no anon) however when i try to log on the log files show "no such user xxx" although the user is definitely in /etc/passwd, any ideas? |
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| 16:29.55 | frAnz | why do they still distribute it if it doesnt work |
| 16:30.09 | xand | frAnz: how doesn't it work? |
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| 16:30.13 | Octopssy | Why doesn't this work: |
| 16:30.15 | Octopssy | find / -name *.r* |
| 16:30.18 | Octopssy | Anyone? |
| 16:30.29 | xand | Octopssy: put quotes round it |
| 16:30.35 | frAnz | frAnz: well, first it tries to remove the 2.6.8 kernel image |
| 16:30.35 | xand | find / -name "*.r*" |
| 16:30.42 | wols_ | Octopssy: works fine for me |
| 16:30.49 | frAnz | and then it just comes up and says "there was a problem installing the selected software" etc.. |
| 16:30.52 | Octopssy | ok |
| 16:31.01 | |DuReX| | xand: i just never use stock kernels :) |
| 16:31.08 | xand | frAnz: why would there be a kernel to remove? |
| 16:31.13 | |DuReX| | as i use nfs etc |
| 16:31.17 | xand | |DuReX|: well... maybe you should try |
| 16:31.20 | |DuReX| | so needs to compile it anyway |
| 16:31.23 | xand | what does nfs have to do with it? |
| 16:31.32 | xand | there is nfs in the stock kernel |
| 16:31.38 | frAnz | xand: after the installer does the initial reboot it starts downloading the distribution, have you ever isntalled 3.1? |
| 16:31.44 | xand | frAnz: yes. |
| 16:31.50 | Skipp_OSX | afk |
| 16:31.57 | xand | frAnz: what sources did you tell it to use? |
| 16:31.57 | jetscreamer | zzz policycoreutils depends on sepolgen, butsepolgen does not appear to be available |
| 16:32.03 | frAnz | ftp.debian.org |
| 16:32.19 | xand | if you have "stable" in sources.list instead of oldstable or sarge i suspect it'll break |
| 16:32.30 | frAnz | its whatever is on the install cd... |
| 16:32.33 | frAnz | ? |
| 16:32.40 | jetscreamer | well i HOPE i did it right! |
| 16:34.05 | frAnz | so when do i set that? |
| 16:34.07 | frAnz | its not even done installing yet |
| 16:34.42 | frAnz | what a piece |
| 16:36.21 | xand | |DuReX|: so yes, try a stock kernel... which includes nfs support anyway! |
| 16:36.41 | |DuReX| | i'm on it |
| 16:36.42 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 16:37.03 | frAnz | i'd rather have robocop spray gasoline on me and then light me on fire than install this thing.. ugh |
| 16:37.26 | abrotman | then don't ? |
| 16:38.01 | xand | kinky |
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| 16:40.56 | war | |DuReX|: sounds like you need to compile your own kernel for your hardware |
| 16:41.40 | frAnz | i just dont understand why by releasing 4 they had to break 3.1 so tremendously |
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| 16:42.36 | Octopssy | find ./* -name "*.r**" -print0 | rm -rf |
| 16:42.46 | Octopssy | what would be wrong with that xand/wols_ |
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| 16:43.56 | BrandonWalsh | Hello, to anyone who cares (and remember me), I got the Debian install up and running finally. |
| 16:44.17 | abrotman | 90210! |
| 16:44.22 | BrandonWalsh | You better believe it! |
| 16:45.02 | pluesch0r | anyone running xen on etch? what's the purpose of the ip, netmask and gateway properties in the domU config file? |
| 16:45.11 | frAnz | so is it possible to actually install sarge? |
| 16:45.18 | pluesch0r | is there a way to have the domU get those values via dhcp without running a dhcp server? |
| 16:45.37 | BrandonWalsh | Which window manager would you suggest? I want the minimalistic look and GNOME makes me want to vomit. |
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| 16:46.08 | pluesch0r | BrandonWalsh: you mean metacity .. |
| 16:46.08 | abrotman | frAnz: use the netinst |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | frAnz: or CD1 .. |
| 16:46.20 | frAnz | i've used both the install cd and the netinst cd |
| 16:46.28 | BrandonWalsh | pluesch0r perhaps I do. :) |
| 16:46.28 | frAnz | it always tries to remove the kernel and install something else |
| 16:46.29 | abrotman | frAnz: and do NOT use an http source until you correct them |
| 16:46.38 | pluesch0r | BrandonWalsh: xfce is quite nice. |
| 16:47.09 | nzk | Anyone know anything about ircd? |
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| 16:47.17 | BrandonWalsh | pluesch0r, I will look into it. |
| 16:47.31 | frAnz | abrotman: what do you mean? netinst downloads everything from http... |
| 16:47.40 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
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| 16:48.23 | zinx | frAnz: you have to upgrade to the 2.6.x kernel before you update to etch from sarge |
| 16:48.32 | abrotman | zinx: he's trying to install sarge .. not etch |
| 16:48.33 | frAnz | i dont want to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 16:48.38 | zinx | frAnz: and if you don't want to update to etch, you need to change your sources.list to reference 'sarge' instead of 'stable' |
| 16:48.40 | frAnz | all i want to do is install sarge |
| 16:48.41 | nzk | How do I get a FQDN out of my local ip address? |
| 16:48.47 | frAnz | it does say sarge |
| 16:48.57 | xand | nzk: nslookup? |
| 16:48.58 | abrotman | frAnz: what says sarge ? |
| 16:49.03 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 16:49.04 | xand | nzk: hostname -f? |
| 16:49.07 | abrotman | he's talking to zinx |
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| 16:49.14 | zinx | frAnz: is there a particular reason you need sarge instead of etch for a new install? |
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| 16:49.42 | frAnz | its what was requested for the build??? |
| 16:49.49 | frAnz | is sarge supposed to be broken now? |
| 16:50.11 | zinx | frAnz: no, and it should be installable if you get the sarge netinstall and change the sources to say sarge instead of stable |
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| 16:50.20 | zinx | frAnz: but it's not a good idea to use it for a new install |
| 16:50.23 | epotash | hey, im on a laptop, and when i put it to sleep and wake up my wireless no longer works, is there a script i need to edit? im using ndiswrapper... |
| 16:50.33 | zinx | frAnz: maybe the person who requested the build was unaware etch had been released? |
| 16:50.43 | frAnz | its on the same list they chose 3.1 from |
| 16:50.44 | zinx | frAnz: it wasn't released long ago |
| 16:50.54 | zinx | frAnz: etch used to be testing |
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| 16:51.00 | zinx | frAnz: like, weeks ago |
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| 16:51.30 | abrotman | frAnz: use the netinst .. do not use http sources until after you change the sources.list |
| 16:51.41 | frAnz | my point is they selected 3.1 from a list in which 4.0 is listed right beneath it, so im assuming they wanted 3.1, im just not sure why its so difficult to maintain two versions |
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| 16:52.01 | zinx | frAnz: anyway, as abrotman says, if you want sarge, you'll have to edit the sources.list manually before grabbing anything |
| 16:52.03 | h3sp4wn | stable -> etch now that is why |
| 16:53.14 | h3sp4wn | (symlinks) |
| 16:53.14 | abrotman | frAnz: so that means. .. pull the damn network cable .. and do the CD install |
| 16:53.15 | zinx | frAnz: it's not, but sarge is now obsolete, and before etch the distributions referred by stable/testing/unstable rather than specific name |
| 16:53.15 | h3sp4wn | With the very latest release of sarge (from the day before etch) would they not change it to point to oldstable |
| 16:53.15 | zinx | frAnz: that has been fixed with etch, afaik |
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| 16:53.15 | zinx | frAnz: so you won't have this problem in the future |
| 16:53.15 | war | |DuReX|: are you using a stock keernel btw? |
| 16:53.24 | robin_sz | so, whats the news funkier release then? sid? should I make my laptop go sid from etch? |
| 16:53.48 | abrotman | zinx: i wouldn't mark it obsolete yet |
| 16:53.58 | abrotman | robin_sz: do you want to be hit ? |
| 16:54.01 | zinx | abrotman: well, it's older than stable..... |
| 16:54.08 | epotash | robin_sz: my wireless stops working when i wake from sleep |
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| 16:54.11 | zinx | abrotman: not sure what to call it if not obsolete :) |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | aka .. oldstable? :) |
| 16:54.24 | epotash | im trying to figure out how to make it reload ndiswrapper or something... i really dont know how the sleep function works |
| 16:54.36 | frAnz | bah |
| 16:55.09 | jetscreamer | how do i disable paravirtualization in a stock kernel when it's compiled in |
| 16:55.26 | robin_sz | abrotman, err, no that was a serioius question ... I usually run stable on servers, testing on laptops ... the laptop has been etch from new, but now etch is stable perhaps I'll push it up a version |
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| 16:55.34 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 16:55.35 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 16:55.45 | abrotman | robin_sz: you should know that sid is always unstable |
| 16:55.47 | enouf | !today |
| 16:55.47 | dpkg | YeeeHahhh, Paw!! As of April 8th, 2007 : The Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 4.0, codenamed etch, after 21 months of constant development; http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 ...also keep your eye on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 16:56.19 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, I didn't |
| 16:56.33 | abrotman | robin_sz: do you actually pay attention when you're in this channel ? |
| 16:57.05 | robin_sz | occasionally, Im always on the #, but only look at it 10% of the time ... I have other channels to bother too you know |
| 16:57.34 | jetscreamer | there is only #debian... or course, there's also #debian |
| 16:57.56 | robin_sz | !lesbian |
| 16:57.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, lesbian is probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
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| 16:58.18 | frAnz | i like lesbian better ;-) |
| 16:58.35 | robin_sz | "cover me on honey and throw me to the lesbians" |
| 16:59.09 | frAnz | why am i working on saturday |
| 16:59.16 | frAnz | i should be revolting against the dance dance |
| 16:59.22 | robin_sz | err, because you work for yourself? |
| 16:59.28 | frAnz | Not true |
| 16:59.39 | robin_sz | oh, then it must be due to stupidity :) |
| 16:59.40 | jetscreamer | how do i disable paravirtualization in stock kernel 2.6.20-3 when it's compiled into the kernel |
| 16:59.49 | frAnz | its probably because i split up with my girlfriend and i dont really want to go home lol |
| 16:59.55 | robin_sz | ahh |
| 17:00.35 | robin_sz | is your day going to get worse? |
| 17:00.49 | jetscreamer | buy a case |
| 17:00.51 | hark | jetscreamer: ha, because of nvidia? |
| 17:00.52 | frAnz | nah im going to go out later and kill a whole bottle of grey goose.. so im think it will only get better |
| 17:01.11 | jetscreamer | hark: zomg you braniac! heh... yes |
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| 17:02.04 | frAnz | i am playing wow and working simultaneously so i guess i shouldnt feel too bad |
| 17:02.18 | jetscreamer | getting paid to play wow is good |
| 17:02.18 | robin_sz | frAnz, one of my mates got dumped last week, he was playing on the xbox 360 at the time, to his credit he just said "oh, right" and didn;t even drop a point ... ;) |
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| 17:02.45 | frAnz | yeah, i dunno girls are trouble, but then again servers are trouble too |
| 17:02.49 | frAnz | so i may as well just live in a cave |
| 17:03.02 | jetscreamer | caves are cool |
| 17:03.10 | robin_sz | just apt-get and update to a new one :) |
| 17:03.16 | jetscreamer | long as they have electric and plumbing |
| 17:03.25 | jetscreamer | and gas too |
| 17:03.25 | frAnz | cough, if anyone in here works on debian please support poweredge 840s in the next release.. thank you :D |
| 17:03.26 | robin_sz | girls always have plumbing |
| 17:03.30 | robin_sz | yes and gas |
| 17:03.38 | frAnz | girls have gas? |
| 17:03.44 | robin_sz | they do |
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| 17:03.55 | frAnz | i dont think i like that kind :( |
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| 17:04.18 | jetscreamer | so anything compiled into a kernel would actually be inside /boot/vmlinuz-whatever? |
| 17:04.25 | atperez | #japonparallevar |
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| 17:04.36 | frAnz | uhh, what? |
| 17:04.41 | jetscreamer | japon to wash? |
| 17:04.43 | frAnz | Yeah, that is the actual binary of the kernel jet |
| 17:04.45 | jetscreamer | llevar |
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| 17:04.57 | jetscreamer | for wash |
| 17:05.00 | jetscreamer | wash? |
| 17:05.13 | frAnz | wash? you stinky? |
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| 17:05.33 | ccvp | Øتى تتعلم العربية وايضا قبل ان تشتم الاسلام يجب ان تعلم ماهو الاسلام لا Ø£Øب أن أقرأ متون المقدس |
| 17:05.35 | ccvp | help plz |
| 17:05.45 | frAnz | aieee what language is that |
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| 17:05.57 | jetscreamer | arabic or so i think |
| 17:05.58 | pdf | arabic frankr |
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| 17:06.03 | cusco | maybe you should ask first but then again your request doesn't sound very apealling |
| 17:06.11 | jetscreamer | take |
| 17:06.15 | jetscreamer | japon for to take |
| 17:06.35 | pdf | cusco. do you know what go away means |
| 17:06.40 | frAnz | z o m g |
| 17:06.42 | pdf | cusco i think you should do this |
| 17:06.42 | torrr | does the clock synchronize itself? |
| 17:06.47 | Samus_Aran | does apt or dpkg provide a way to search which package provides a particular file ? |
| 17:06.54 | pdf | cusco just kidding |
| 17:06.59 | xand | Samus_Aran: dpkg -L |
| 17:07.11 | pdf | is there a way i can install 'etch' by using a floppy disk. the cdrom dont recongize dvdr/cdr :\ |
| 17:07.14 | jetscreamer | Samus_Aran: apt-file ? |
| 17:07.20 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 17:07.20 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 17:07.25 | abrotman | cusco: you can't read anything ? |
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| 17:07.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:07.43 | jetscreamer | Samus_Aran: what does cat /etc/debian_version return... muhahahah |
| 17:07.47 | PingFloyd | Samus_Aran: if it's install, dpkg -L will do, but if it's isn't, that's where apt-file comes in. |
| 17:07.59 | frAnz | Samus wouldnt be messin around with debian, she'd shoot someone |
| 17:08.51 | jetscreamer | gah gotta take my vee-hickle to the mecananic |
| 17:09.01 | ccvp | لا اعلم.. انا ولد مؤدب ربما جنس من الÙÙ… مؤدب يعني Øتى تتعلم العربية وايضا قبل ان تشتم الاسلام يجب ان تعلم ماهو الاسلام لا Ø£Øب أن أقرأ متون المقدس |
| 17:09.03 | ccvp | plz |
| 17:09.05 | js_ | ok |
| 17:09.06 | ccvp | kernel bad |
| 17:09.10 | frAnz | any idea why the 4.0 install dies after it downloads the whois package? lol |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | ccvp: we can't read that |
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| 17:09.15 | pdf | ccvp said this in US Standards: Øتى تتعلم العربية وايضا قبل ان تشتم الاسلام يجب ان تعلم ماهو الاسلام لا Ø£Øب أن أقرأ متون المقدس |
| 17:09.20 | pdf | lol oops |
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| 17:09.29 | Samus_Aran | apt-file search seems to be what I was after. does that search only installed packages, or all known packages ? |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | stoned: can you read that ? |
| 17:09.35 | dvs | wha the @#$@? |
| 17:09.50 | abrotman | of course .. i can't see his response :) |
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| 17:10.05 | frAnz | abrotman: any clue? |
| 17:10.10 | abrotman | cusco: sorry .. misfire |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | frAnz: about ? |
| 17:10.16 | pdf | abrotman do you know if its possible to install debian with a floppy or something? the cdrom drive in this pc i dont think recongizes dvdr/cdr |
| 17:10.21 | ccvp | real man use NetBSD |
| 17:10.23 | jetscreamer | Samus_Aran: all known, iirc, in your sources.list |
| 17:10.24 | ccvp | debian sad as windows |
| 17:10.33 | jetscreamer | yes pdf |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | !bf |
| 17:10.34 | dpkg | hmm... etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 17:10.37 | frAnz | abrotman: why 4.0 would just sit at retrieving file 81 of 81 forever? |
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| 17:10.38 | dvs | pdf: you can start the install from floppy |
| 17:10.40 | jetscreamer | floppy, et al |
| 17:10.45 | ccvp | real man use NetBSD |
| 17:10.47 | abrotman | frAnz: dns problems ? |
| 17:10.59 | frAnz | abrotman: it already downloaded all of the files |
| 17:11.03 | pdf | Ok cool thanks guys! And then I can install the other packs from the net? |
| 17:11.12 | abrotman | amazingly good english for someone who could only speak arabic five minutes ago |
| 17:11.14 | jetscreamer | yes eventually |
| 17:11.23 | dvs | pdf: if your network card is recognized |
| 17:11.40 | RatCell | ccvp well you ain't a real man, so we know you don't use NetBSD, NETBSD SUCKS |
| 17:11.43 | frAnz | abrotman: oh my god this distro freaking kills me |
| 17:11.54 | abrotman | frAnz: it might be working ? |
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| 17:12.12 | RatCell | franZ: what distro you talking about? |
| 17:12.19 | frAnz | abrotman: its beein sayins Get:81 http://debian.osuosl.org etch/main whois 4.7.0 [47.7kB] for about 15 minutes |
| 17:12.21 | pdf | ok thanks all :) |
| 17:12.27 | frAnz | RatCell etch |
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| 17:12.32 | RatCell | ahh |
| 17:12.36 | RatCell | I used debian Sarge |
| 17:12.39 | abrotman | frAnz: i thought you were instsall sarge ? |
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| 17:12.46 | abrotman | installing |
| 17:12.46 | frAnz | abrotman: i gave up on that |
| 17:12.50 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 17:12.57 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. pick anothe rmirror ? |
| 17:13.03 | ccvp | ratcell |
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| 17:13.14 | ccvp | look at the exploits the public aware of for netbsd, and debian |
| 17:13.16 | RatCell | Okay question, what command can I run to check the hard drive for errors in Debian? |
| 17:13.19 | ccvp | i think the proportion favors |
| 17:13.20 | ccvp | netbsd |
| 17:13.21 | ccvp | nuff said |
| 17:13.25 | Samus_Aran | thank you all |
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| 17:13.34 | abrotman | ccvp: do you have an actual debian question ? |
| 17:13.37 | ccvp | NetBSD/OpenBSD more secure then debian |
| 17:13.39 | ccvp | IMO |
| 17:13.46 | RatCell | ccvp this is a debian room, if you wanna whine about Netbsd go somewhere else. |
| 17:13.51 | frAnz | lol when i hit ctrl-c it tells me its going to restart syslog |
| 17:13.56 | frAnz | what the hell |
| 17:14.00 | frAnz | this thing is just.. wow |
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| 17:14.09 | ccvp | phead |
| 17:14.13 | ccvp | send me some feed |
| 17:14.15 | nzk | How do I get a FQDN out of my local ip address? |
| 17:14.35 | ccvp | nzk, arp -analwall |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | host/nslookup ? |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | ccvp: stop |
| 17:14.35 | Kevin` | nzk dig -x ip |
| 17:14.50 | Kevin` | nzk more then one fqdn can point to an ip though. you of course know this |
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| 17:14.57 | Alexander_Tait_B | dunno |
| 17:15.10 | abrotman | Alexander_Tait_B: do you have a real debian question or not? |
| 17:15.16 | phead | hi, i tried the debain 4.0 netinstaller today and i am disappointed. Previously i could install a base system, reboot, start pppoe and use base-config to set up network mirrors. now with 4.0, there is no base-config and if you dont know how to edit sources.list you are lost |
| 17:15.16 | frAnz | im tryin this one more time then im putting centos5 on it |
| 17:15.21 | frAnz | im so tired of this crap |
| 17:15.24 | namtorba | stop snitchin, or ill gat you |
| 17:15.25 | abrotman | namtorba: debian question or not ? |
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| 17:15.31 | namtorba | stop snitchin, or ill gat you |
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| 17:15.38 | abrotman | good enough for me |
| 17:15.47 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 17:15.51 | nzk | ;; Query time: 8 msec |
| 17:15.51 | nzk | ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) |
| 17:15.53 | frAnz | abrotman: do any of the mirrors have working distros on them? |
| 17:16.03 | abrotman | frAnz: the ones i use work just fine :) |
| 17:16.20 | frAnz | well i just tried to install from debian.osuosl |
| 17:16.25 | Kevin` | nzk erm, why do you expect there to be a valid fqdn that points directly to a non-routable ip? |
| 17:16.29 | phead | and why the hell offers netinst a ppp analog config , but not a pppoe as default i mean who is connecting with pp rather than pppoe these days |
| 17:16.33 | abrotman | i had good luck with mirrors.pair.com |
| 17:16.37 | abrotman | or whatever it is |
| 17:16.38 | Kevin` | nzk perhaps you shoudl use a domain that points to your internet ip |
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| 17:16.39 | h3sp4wn | phead: You can use grml-debootstrap to install etch (pure etch) |
| 17:16.42 | nzk | Kevin`, because I need one for my irc server |
| 17:16.43 | Da-Real-King | hello? |
| 17:17.09 | dury | which one it's more powerful a Pentium II or AMD Duron |
| 17:17.14 | abrotman | duron |
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| 17:17.25 | frAnz | not by much :D |
| 17:17.36 | Mr_Dave | at that level, every bit counts |
| 17:17.37 | abrotman | maybe not .. but it's a stripped k7 instead of a pii |
| 17:17.39 | frAnz | amd may as well be cyrix |
| 17:17.39 | h3sp4wn | depends which p2 (some durons have 64k of cache) |
| 17:17.54 | Kevin` | nzk give it whatever name your users will refer to it as. nzk.us.myircnetwork.net or however you name things |
| 17:18.04 | dury | p2 266 MHz |
| 17:18.04 | abrotman | the PII can't be faster than 450Mhz iirc |
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| 17:18.12 | nzk | Kevin`, I just make something up? |
| 17:18.16 | Kevin` | nzk no. |
| 17:18.18 | abrotman | and duron didn't start til .. 700Mhz ? |
| 17:18.19 | phead | h3sp4wn, i just wanted to install via a dsl pppoe connection etch, but that messed up, cause i didnt know how to set up later the sources.list , and that was previously better when you could later launch base-config and then set there the mirrors |
| 17:18.20 | h3sp4wn | It can have 1mb of l2 cache though (p2 xeon) |
| 17:18.22 | frAnz | Core 4 quad is the way to go |
| 17:18.36 | abrotman | core2 quad ? |
| 17:18.45 | Kevin` | nzk you give it a name that you have properly pointed to your internet ip, so people can use the irc server with it |
| 17:18.55 | nzk | I just want to *connect* |
| 17:18.59 | h3sp4wn | phead: You can do it easily enough from grml |
| 17:18.59 | nzk | I dont even care if others can use it |
| 17:19.03 | Kevin` | you can probably make something up then |
| 17:19.15 | nzk | I just get |
| 17:19.16 | nzk | * Looking up 192.168.2.6:6667 |
| 17:19.16 | nzk | * Unknown host. Maybe you misspelled it? |
| 17:19.31 | Kevin` | from your irc client? |
| 17:19.37 | nzk | yeah |
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| 17:19.44 | Kevin` | your not using your irc client properly then |
| 17:19.48 | Kevin` | it shouldn't try to look up an ip |
| 17:19.53 | DawnLight | I've ran out of disk space in my root partition. i'm trying to use knoppix to delete another partition to make space to enlarge my root. before that, i'm trying to copy some files i have on the partition that will be deleted to my home partition. it doesn't allow me to do that, or any access to the home partition, at all from knoppix live cd, even as root. can anyone explain this to me? |
| 17:19.55 | BlueDetector | 192.168.2.6:6667 is private network ip |
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| 17:20.12 | Kevin` | 6667 is the default though, try leaving it off |
| 17:20.15 | Kevin` | and just use the ip |
| 17:20.22 | Kevin` | it probably wants a space instead of : though |
| 17:20.37 | Mr_Dave | don't most irc clients take a connect line of /server IP PORT instead of IP:PORT ? |
| 17:20.42 | Kevin` | ^ |
| 17:20.43 | black_13 | is there a way to turn off sending all the boot up info man console? |
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| 17:20.51 | black_13 | main console i mean |
| 17:21.00 | Kevin` | black_13 'quiet' |
| 17:21.11 | Kevin` | or console=something_else of course |
| 17:21.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:21.20 | abrotman | in xchat anyways |
| 17:21.22 | black_13 | quiet is pretty good it turns off quite a bit |
| 17:21.29 | nzk | * Looking up 192.168.2.6 |
| 17:21.29 | nzk | * Connecting to 192.168.2.6 (192.168.2.6) port 6667... |
| 17:21.29 | nzk | * Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
| 17:21.41 | Kevin` | nzk server is likely not running |
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| 17:21.59 | Kevin` | or set up to listen incorrectly |
| 17:22.05 | nzk | debian:/etc/ircd# /etc/init.d/ircd-ircu start |
| 17:22.06 | nzk | Starting irc server daemon: ircd-ircu. |
| 17:22.17 | phead | h3sp4wn, ok i take a look at grml, thanks for the tip |
| 17:22.18 | frAnz | abrotman: damn your right it was a broken ass mirror |
| 17:22.19 | nzk | Same thing, refused. |
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| 17:22.24 | Kevin` | since this is a common error, i'll just say it. |
| 17:22.24 | abrotman | netstat .. actually say it's listening ? |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | frAnz: see! |
| 17:22.31 | Kevin` | you should set the irc server to listen on 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:22.33 | Kevin` | not a specific ip |
| 17:22.38 | Kevin` | unless you have a good reason not to |
| 17:22.39 | frAnz | well why does debian have so many broken ass mirrors Lol |
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| 17:22.45 | frAnz | nah im kidding |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | frAnz: ask the mirror admin ? |
| 17:22.52 | cusco | netstat -tapn|grep 6667 |
| 17:22.54 | bonez39 | if I want to find all log files, say for #debian, on my system...,with the keyword 'logrotate' in it, would it be 'grep -irl "logrotate" *' to find all such logs? |
| 17:23.00 | frAnz | i'll bite his torso and give him a disease is what i'll do |
| 17:23.30 | xand | frAnz: have you got rabies or something? |
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| 17:23.38 | nzk | Kevin`, still refused |
| 17:23.50 | abrotman | is it actually listening ? |
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| 17:23.57 | Kevin` | nzk netstat -anp --tcp, look for the server |
| 17:23.58 | h3sp4wn | phead: http://grml.org/grml-debootstrap/ (make sure you choose etch) otherwise you will get sid (but you can choose what you want in by default etc) its nice |
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| 17:24.02 | phead | but, really, to avoid work for other useres, you should add a pppoeconf to the netinst in debain etch, or give a later possibility to edit sources.list in /etc/apt with agiven mirror list |
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| 17:24.08 | Kevin` | nzk also, check that it's running in ps and check the logs form it |
| 17:24.10 | frAnz | xand: mayhaps |
| 17:24.29 | nzk | its in neither. |
| 17:25.06 | Kevin` | it probably encountered an error during startup and stopped |
| 17:25.11 | Kevin` | check it's logs or run it manually |
| 17:25.16 | nzk | I tried |
| 17:25.18 | frAnz | man if cpanel stops supporting any more OS its not going to work on crap |
| 17:25.22 | nzk | It wont run as superuser |
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| 17:25.28 | nzk | and it doesnt exist on normal user |
| 17:25.40 | Kevin` | frAnz eh? cpanel what? |
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| 17:25.47 | abrotman | frAnz: good |
| 17:25.57 | dvs | DawnLight: Did you mount it as read-write and not read-only? |
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| 17:26.10 | hark | phead: i thought it does |
| 17:26.18 | frAnz | abrotman; alot of hosting business wouldnt exist if it werent for that demonic thing |
| 17:26.20 | Kevin` | nzk normally an ircd is configured and run as a normal user |
| 17:26.34 | nzk | it says to run ircd -t for debugging |
| 17:26.34 | abrotman | frAnz: good? :) |
| 17:26.37 | Kevin` | frAnz so? |
| 17:26.39 | nzk | but "command not found" |
| 17:26.41 | phead | hark: nope, it even doesnt install pppoe direct, i had to install it later, but it was on the netinst cd |
| 17:27.01 | Kevin` | nzk give the full path to the ircd program |
| 17:27.08 | petemc | phead: my understanding was the business card iso was the only one that didnt do pppoe |
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| 17:27.25 | phead | hark: the previous sarge installer was really much better, cause i could do such network setup stuff after rebooting and then launch base-config to continue configuren |
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| 17:27.42 | hark | phead: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds05.html |
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| 17:29.00 | jetscreamer | the fugger's still asleep |
| 17:29.08 | phead | he, hark, thank you, this should be a default option |
| 17:29.37 | frAnz | hark hark, harkened he |
| 17:30.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 17:30.35 | jetscreamer | my 'mechanic' is still asleep |
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| 17:31.19 | jetscreamer | the guy who's gonna work on my van... you know, auto-mo-tive? |
| 17:31.20 | frAnz | rain acid down on his eyes and turn his intentines to snakes than |
| 17:31.30 | frAnz | thats the only way to deal with lazy people |
| 17:31.34 | frAnz | really... |
| 17:31.45 | jetscreamer | yeah but i'm not playing wow... |
| 17:31.54 | frAnz | nono, i mean in real life.. |
| 17:32.02 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 17:32.29 | jetscreamer | /exec -o apt-get install 'source'erous powers |
| 17:33.06 | frAnz | sourcerous powers is depreciated, you need the godhammer package |
| 17:33.08 | dvs | jetscreamer: yes, Mr. Potter |
| 17:33.22 | phead | ok, hark, i am off, trying this module install, thank you bye |
| 17:33.24 | nzk | Kevin`, where is the log file? |
| 17:33.26 | frAnz | allows you to use a sattelite in space to obliterate terrestrial targets |
| 17:33.42 | Kevin` | nzk that's up to the ircd |
| 17:33.52 | Kevin` | could be syslog though |
| 17:34.03 | nzk | whats the best kind of ircd |
| 17:34.12 | jetscreamer | the one you like |
| 17:34.22 | hark | one that works |
| 17:34.28 | jetscreamer | both! |
| 17:34.30 | nzk | well, so far -hybrid and -ircu both are crap. |
| 17:34.45 | jetscreamer | well freenode seems to run on something |
| 17:34.50 | dvs | nzk: you want to run a server? |
| 17:34.55 | nzk | yes |
| 17:35.07 | Dave2 | jetscreamer, you forgot the trailing ", just" |
| 17:35.35 | abrotman | dvs: i had mr potter as a prof! |
| 17:36.11 | jetscreamer | dave's not here |
| 17:37.01 | dvs | abrotman: huh?!? |
| 17:37.01 | dvs | doh |
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| 17:37.02 | abrotman | dvs: google comp.lang.c++.moderated .. look for jep |
| 17:37.02 | dvs | abrotman: I thought it would be Mr. Snape! ;-) |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | dvs: he was my prof at uni |
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| 17:39.08 | nzk | Yay |
| 17:39.10 | nzk | I got it working |
| 17:39.25 | dvs | !beer nzk |
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| 17:39.36 | nono31 | I'd like to have 2 internet connections on my linux box (abviously possible). But I'd like my business services (FTP server, EMAIL server , WEB server) to use the one that is using the fix ip address. And I'd like that all the user stuff (browsing, downloading...) to use the normal dynamic ip address connection... Is that possible? |
| 17:40.18 | cusco | your servers should have a interface to listen on or something |
| 17:40.20 | cusco | right? |
| 17:40.45 | cusco | I know exim lets you define that, apache as well and vsftpd as well |
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| 17:41.10 | nzk | I just have to configure ircd so that not everyone that joins is an op |
| 17:41.15 | nzk | and figure out chan/nickserv |
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| 17:42.16 | Kevin` | nzk chan/nickserv is a seperate irc server with special privalages |
| 17:42.36 | Nookie^ | hi! is it posible to run debian 4.0 on 866mhz with 128mb memory? |
| 17:42.46 | Kevin` | nzk it's not normally an irc server that accepts connections. special program, but connects as a server |
| 17:42.57 | Kevin` | Nookie^ yes |
| 17:43.03 | nono31 | cusco: all the connections to my postfix/smtp server use exim? |
| 17:43.08 | cusco | Nookie^: sure |
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| 17:43.23 | cusco | but whatch out for what do you want to run in debian :p |
| 17:43.27 | jaalto | Nookie^, definetily. I've got P11 / 132M |
| 17:43.33 | jaalto | PII |
| 17:43.35 | Nookie^ | Kevin`: i have installed it but when i try to enter nonthing is happening i can only see mousecursor but nonthing more is comming up |
| 17:43.36 | Kevin` | I have debian running on a p-mmx with 100mb ram |
| 17:43.37 | trajan_ | Nookie^, debian is not vista :p |
| 17:43.46 | Nookie^ | hehe |
| 17:43.49 | Kevin` | 125mhz |
| 17:43.56 | Kevin` | iirc |
| 17:44.00 | cusco | Nookie^: don't install gnome |
| 17:44.17 | Nookie^ | cusco: why? |
| 17:44.19 | Kevin` | I had gnome working on mine, but it's not worth it. |
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| 17:44.25 | cusco | Nookie^: install the system-base only and then install x-window-system-core and xfce |
| 17:44.28 | jaalto | Nookie^, skip "Desktop" at tasksel install selection |
| 17:44.41 | Nookie^ | okej guys... i will :-D |
| 17:44.42 | Kevin` | although and 800mhz cpu with 128mb should run gnome ok |
| 17:44.59 | xingu | dr who o'clock |
| 17:45.00 | trajan_ | with 128Mo he needs a lighter window manager i think |
| 17:45.01 | Nookie^ | yeah i think so too |
| 17:45.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:45.13 | Nookie^ | had xp before on this comp without any probs |
| 17:45.14 | hark | don't run iceweasel! |
| 17:45.16 | Kevin` | he SHOULD use one, but it would work |
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| 17:45.31 | Kevin` | as stated i've used it on far less :) |
| 17:45.46 | Nookie^ | cool.. time to reinstall again |
| 17:45.49 | jrsims | hey, is there a command I can run to check all my dependencies and make sure nothing's missing or broken? |
| 17:46.07 | Nookie^ | jrsims: apt-get -f install ? |
| 17:46.16 | jetscreamer | take everything off in tasksel |
| 17:46.19 | jrsims | what is -f? |
| 17:46.34 | jetscreamer | man apt-get |
| 17:46.43 | Nookie^ | i use it when some packs are broken |
| 17:46.54 | jetscreamer | --fix-missing |
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| 17:47.27 | jaalto | jrsims: also see dpkg --configure --pending |
| 17:47.30 | jrsims | apt-get --fix-missing? |
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| 17:48.02 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install |
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| 17:48.18 | jetscreamer | or apt-get --fix-missing install |
| 17:48.27 | jetscreamer | man apt-get |
| 17:48.43 | jrsims | ok, thanks |
| 17:49.28 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please guide me through the correct configuration/installation of beryl? I use debian lenny and KDE3.5 |
| 17:49.37 | HardDisk_WP | and a NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT |
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| 17:49.59 | HardDisk_WP | video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT] @ nVidia Corporation nForce2 AGP] |
| 17:49.59 | Nookie^ | HardDisk_WP: beryl-project.org |
| 17:50.03 | xingu | !tell HardDisk_WP about beryl |
| 17:50.16 | Nookie^ | HardDisk_WP: go to wiki on their page |
| 17:50.31 | HardDisk_WP | does beryl actually work on debian or only on ubuntu,btw? |
| 17:50.39 | xingu | works fine on sid at least |
| 17:50.55 | HardDisk_WP | distro[Debian lenny/sid] |
| 17:51.01 | HardDisk_WP | so this should work too |
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| 17:52.14 | Nookie^ | thanx for all help guys! bye 4 now! =) |
| 17:52.19 | guhhh | HardDisk_WP: as long as u can run it on AIGLX... |
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| 17:55.05 | HardDisk_WP | guhhh, what is AIGLX? |
| 17:55.51 | guhhh | 3d acceleration "protocol" i guess |
| 17:55.53 | dave_is_sexy | i still can't figure out how to add the unstable repository. i'm sure this is funny fot all of you, but if you actually try to find the info, it isn't there |
| 17:55.57 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php?title=Install/Debian |
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| 17:56.14 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: if you're around i have that screenshot for you |
| 17:56.26 | mbd | hey! im having some multimedia problems. vlc wont play firefly, it did in ubuntu,. pls help |
| 17:56.27 | xingu | the dpkg hint works perfectly well |
| 17:56.34 | xingu | aiglx is a furfey in this context. |
| 17:56.35 | abrotman | ? |
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| 17:57.05 | dutchfish | !aiglx |
| 17:57.06 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
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| 17:57.20 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: ? |
| 17:57.27 | mbd | !multimedia |
| 17:57.28 | HardDisk_WP | "Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers". shit. |
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| 17:57.41 | mbd | !video |
| 17:57.41 | dpkg | hmm... video is interrupt 10h for the video BIOS |
| 17:57.42 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: hello |
| 17:57.49 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: hi |
| 17:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | nevertheless... |
| 17:57.55 | abrotman | mbd: what are you loking for ? |
| 17:57.59 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: the one of Firefox with a sidebar in google |
| 17:58.01 | HardDisk_WP | I installed all thsoe packages now. how to use it? |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | ok .. let's see it |
| 17:58.12 | mbd | abrotman: hm... vlc wont play my videos. it did in ubuntu |
| 17:58.12 | dave_is_sexy | ok, how? |
| 17:58.12 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, read mylink installing Beryl without aiglx |
| 17:58.20 | abrotman | mbd: which videos ? |
| 17:58.27 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: imageshack.us ? |
| 17:58.49 | mbd | abrotman: dunno really.. just tried to play firefly.s01e12.the.message.dvdrip.xvid.avi and it wont work |
| 17:59.00 | guhhh | dutchfish: it doesnt works for me :D |
| 17:59.05 | abrotman | i don't pirate stuff .. i don't know what that means |
| 17:59.07 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, k |
| 17:59.09 | abrotman | !tell mbd about w32codecs |
| 17:59.12 | mbd | abrotman: probably is a pattern of which videos it wont play but havent tried yet |
| 17:59.17 | mbd | i allready have them, |
| 17:59.25 | hark | with the newer nvidia divers, i think AIGLX is unnecessary |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | maybe ask #vlc ? |
| 17:59.28 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, the w32codecs dont use in some cases |
| 17:59.28 | dutchfish | !doest work |
| 17:59.34 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotrf2.png |
| 17:59.37 | dutchfish | !doesnt work |
| 17:59.38 | dpkg | methinks doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:59.38 | xingu | s/furfey/furphy/ |
| 17:59.42 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: i'm aware of that .. i also don't know ahything about xvid |
| 17:59.44 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, they are especially *rotten* in .MOV files (Quicktime)... |
| 17:59.49 | mbd | abrotman: not a vlc problem i think, since it worked in ubuntu 6.06 |
| 18:00.04 | HardDisk_WP | mbd, try Kaffeine for playing the video |
| 18:00.17 | mbd | lol no |
| 18:00.18 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: that's google doing that .. not IW |
| 18:00.19 | mbd | dog slow kde :P |
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| 18:00.36 | HardDisk_WP | afk, restarting display manager |
| 18:00.40 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: well why does it onyl do in on linux |
| 18:00.46 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: just pick applications->system tools->beryl manager |
| 18:00.52 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: and not in epiphany |
| 18:01.12 | dutchfish | vlc works fine if your config divx properly first |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | must be a preference somewhere |
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| 18:01.13 | mbd | dutchfish: where? how? |
| 18:01.35 | dutchfish | mbd, hold on a sec |
| 18:01.47 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: no. if it is google, i have never logged in, so it cannot be a preference. it is iceweasel. this is why mozilla wont let them call it firefox |
| 18:02.05 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: cookies can have preferences |
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| 18:02.18 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: i have Iceweasel .. it is not iceweasel doing it |
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| 18:02.27 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: way ahead of you. cleared and checked |
| 18:02.45 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: though .. i like it .. i wish i had that :) |
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| 18:02.51 | dave_is_sexy | LOL |
| 18:02.55 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: any extensions loaded ? |
| 18:03.13 | dave_is_sexy | i hate it. no it's a brand new install and i've done a hundered changes |
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| 18:03.29 | dutchfish | mbd, i was wrong vlc has its own divx deconding |
| 18:03.30 | dave_is_sexy | finally for 5 mins with the autopackage of fx it wsas gone, but now it is back |
| 18:03.53 | dutchfish | mbd, you are on Etch? |
| 18:03.54 | Dave2 | Google does change things randomly for different people every so often. |
| 18:04.06 | Dave2 | when they're testing things. |
| 18:04.08 | mbd | dutchfish: yeah |
| 18:04.09 | HardDisk_WP | that's rotten! |
| 18:04.18 | zinx | dave_is_sexy: it's not iceweasel doing it |
| 18:04.20 | dave_is_sexy | dave2: oh. well they should have a feedback button |
| 18:04.23 | Dave2 | could be that. |
| 18:04.24 | HardDisk_WP | http://paste.debian.net/26726 |
| 18:04.24 | mbd | dutchfish: like an hour old install =) |
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| 18:04.29 | HardDisk_WP | all windows look strange now |
| 18:04.40 | dutchfish | mbd, maybe xorg needs a reconfig for that (not sure) |
| 18:04.42 | HardDisk_WP | it has changes their style.. |
| 18:04.50 | xingu | no kidding |
| 18:04.53 | dutchfish | mbd, otherwise it works out of the box |
| 18:04.54 | dave_is_sexy | what's the robot to tell me how to add repositories? |
| 18:04.57 | nzk | How can I SSH to 192.168.2.6 ourside of my network? |
| 18:04.59 | xingu | what part of window decoration manager do you not get? |
| 18:05.04 | mbd | dutchfish: ok.. hmm |
| 18:05.16 | mbd | dutchfish: need to install gfx drivers anyhow |
| 18:05.17 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 18:05.17 | dpkg | sources.list is probably something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 18:05.17 | mbd | hmm |
| 18:05.36 | mbd | !ati |
| 18:05.45 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 18:05.54 | dutchfish | mbd, yup |
| 18:05.54 | dave_is_sexy | /dpkg reposirories |
| 18:06.05 | abrotman | !tell mbd about msg the bot |
| 18:07.16 | xingu | nzk: you don't; rfc1918 prohibits redistribution of that address space across organisational boundaries. |
| 18:07.16 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: if you've got lots of time .. ask #google about that screenshot |
| 18:07.25 | mbd | ic |
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| 18:11.46 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 18:11.46 | exism | dutchfish: yeah, i'm not rebooting for >24 hours |
| 18:11.57 | exism | dutchfish: cat /proc/mdstat is happy |
| 18:12.03 | dutchfish | exism, ok |
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| 18:12.26 | dave_is_sexy | dvs: like avidemux, catfish, ndiswrapper, and gallium, and songbird, and sciscraft, and project64, (off the top of my head). they must be in unstable |
| 18:12.39 | dutchfish | exism, 1 more thingy (i had myself) was inproper drivers |
| 18:13.15 | dave_is_sexy | ...and a seamonkey branded seamoney ought to be in non-free |
| 18:13.20 | dave_is_sexy | (but isn't) |
| 18:13.28 | exism | dutchfish: for SATA? |
| 18:13.47 | dutchfish | exism, depending on your raid card |
| 18:13.55 | exism | dutchfish: oh, i'm doing software raid |
| 18:14.06 | dutchfish | exism, yaikss, sorry |
| 18:14.16 | mbd | seems like alot of redundant work to get fglrx drivers to work.. isnt there a repo for ready compiled version? |
| 18:14.19 | dutchfish | exism, forget what i said |
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| 18:14.43 | exism | dutchfish: thanks anyway :) |
| 18:14.52 | dutchfish | exism, raid5 software??? |
| 18:15.23 | dutchfish | exism, you are sure you want this? |
| 18:15.37 | exism | dutchfish: yes, checkout mdadm it's very mature and stable, a lot of people swear by it |
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| 18:16.01 | mbd | umm |
| 18:16.11 | dutchfish | exism, i have no doubt about its workings, but what about performance? |
| 18:16.24 | mbd | iceweasel stopped working.. this debian thing, it aint supposed to be this unstable is it? |
| 18:17.11 | exism | dutchfish: i haven't researched it extensively, but there aren't really any complaints. i don't care much anyway because it's mainly a remote use personal fileserver |
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| 18:17.40 | dave_is_sexy | http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release: Unable to find expected entry unstable/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:17.46 | dutchfish | exism, k |
| 18:18.16 | exism | dutchfish: plus the ability to expand drives is nice and isn't a feature on most lower end hardware cards |
| 18:18.16 | dutchfish | exism, last hint, is dma enabled properly? |
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| 18:18.52 | exism | dutchfish: i'm not sure on that |
| 18:18.53 | hark | dave_is_sexy: paste your sources.list |
| 18:19.29 | dutchfish | exism, thats why i use preferable lvm2 |
| 18:20.23 | enouf | afaik; dma is default on sata, unless ncg is taking over from ahci use |
| 18:20.29 | enouf | er ncq |
| 18:20.31 | dave_is_sexy | well pastebin is broken so here is the new line: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib unstable |
| 18:21.06 | dave_is_sexy | (i expect it isn't broken and i actaully have to install something for it to work - like libjavascript) |
| 18:21.09 | exism | what's the hdparm command to enable/check if it's enabled? |
| 18:21.17 | hark | dave_is_sexy: that is incorrect. get rid of the unstable at the end |
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| 18:21.28 | dave_is_sexy | hark: but i want unstable |
| 18:21.29 | nyty | hi |
| 18:21.30 | nyty | please |
| 18:21.33 | nyty | i need to Wget anythink |
| 18:21.35 | alarm | hello, which is a good package maanger for kde (like synaptic) |
| 18:21.35 | nyty | but dont save it :D |
| 18:21.40 | dvs | dave_is_sexy: replace "etch" with "unstable" and get rid of the unstable at the end |
| 18:21.41 | nyty | i have web |
| 18:21.46 | exism | dutchfish: i'm unfamiliar with lvm |
| 18:21.48 | hark | !tell nyty about enter |
| 18:21.50 | nyty | with PHP script and i need to exec it in 24:00 how to |
| 18:21.53 | dave_is_sexy | oh! oh right. THANK YOU!!! |
| 18:22.08 | enouf | exism: again, you don't with sata, but it's hdparm -i /dev/hda .. use -d0 disable -d1 enable. but not effective with sata |
| 18:22.17 | simonrvn | nyty: it's called a cron job; man 5 crontab |
| 18:22.24 | nyty | yes |
| 18:22.25 | dave_is_sexy | (now someone should really add that to the robot) |
| 18:22.25 | simonrvn | nyty: man crontab |
| 18:22.27 | exism | enouf: thanks, i was going to check just in case |
| 18:22.27 | nyty | but i need to use HTTP |
| 18:22.30 | enouf | exism: see linux-ata.org for more about all this |
| 18:22.30 | dutchfish | exism, its the most coolest invention i saw on linux partitioning & resizing |
| 18:22.40 | alarm | so ? |
| 18:22.42 | simonrvn | so use curl... |
| 18:22.42 | nyty | i dont need to EXEC script, in console he dont know mysql |
| 18:22.49 | simonrvn | or wget, or ... |
| 18:22.59 | simonrvn | it |
| 18:23.03 | nyty | yes, i use wget but how to do this without save the webpage ? |
| 18:23.05 | alarm | whats the package manager for kde on debian ? |
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| 18:23.33 | simonrvn | -O - |
| 18:23.35 | enouf | alarm: the kda built in is called kpackage manager .. i suggest you learn apt/dpkg, or aptitude though |
| 18:23.46 | exism | dutchfish: i will look into it, especially if i can't figure out my mdadm woes |
| 18:23.47 | enouf | er s/kda/kde |
| 18:24.03 | alarm | okie thanks |
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| 18:24.08 | enouf | !tell alarm -about apt howto |
| 18:24.11 | dave_is_sexy | dvs: "Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.uk.debian.org unstable/main Packages..." |
| 18:24.25 | dutchfish | exism, lvm2 is very mature and reliable |
| 18:24.39 | dave_is_sexy | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
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| 18:24.47 | exism | my main purpose was some sort of redundancy though |
| 18:25.18 | dutchfish | exism, i would should raid 10 along with lvm2 if i could |
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| 18:25.29 | robin_sz | nyty, use lwp-request not wget |
| 18:25.46 | robin_sz | nyty, and redirect the output to /dev/null |
| 18:25.55 | dutchfish | exism, it depends on what you want to do with it |
| 18:26.06 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: that's not a source line |
| 18:26.38 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: that is my source lin |
| 18:26.39 | dave_is_sexy | e |
| 18:26.40 | robin_sz | nyty, although using php from cron jobs is usaully a bad thing, it would probably be better to write a bash or perl script to do whatever it is you are trying to do |
| 18:26.44 | enouf | exism: where is your mdadm support ? as modules?, and if so, in initrd? you might want to play with the order the modules are loaded, in /etc/modules too |
| 18:26.45 | abrotman | it's not a deb-src line |
| 18:27.19 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: i think i'm lost |
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| 18:27.20 | dutchfish | exism, maybe this one helps? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 |
| 18:27.47 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: undoubtedly :) |
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| 18:28.10 | alarm | is there any possibility to install from the kde-debian cd , instead of full kde, kdebase ? |
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| 18:28.49 | abrotman | alarm: don't use tasksel |
| 18:29.11 | alarm | whats that ? i cant remember seeing that during the installation |
| 18:29.14 | enouf | alarm: boot using expert, or expertgui |
| 18:29.30 | alarm | oh ok |
| 18:29.35 | alarm | i will do that on the next install then |
| 18:29.38 | alarm | thank you |
| 18:29.38 | enouf | alarm: hit the friggin F1-F10 keys :-p |
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| 18:30.30 | abrotman | they have information! |
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| 18:30.59 | rmacd | u |
| 18:30.59 | tcpsyn | Is there something like lspci for serial devices? |
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| 18:32.04 | abrotman | tcpsyn: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
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| 18:32.35 | tcpsyn | nice |
| 18:32.37 | tcpsyn | thanks |
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| 18:33.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx, didnt know that 1 :) |
| 18:33.44 | abrotman | know what? |
| 18:34.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, about whats my hardware |
| 18:34.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:34.14 | jetscreamer | that 1 |
| 18:34.37 | abrotman | that's okay ... i'm still trying to figure out what a dutchfish is |
| 18:35.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, dutchfish, fish from the netherlands, a shell in dutch called fish, and there are more |
| 18:35.38 | abrotman | eh? |
| 18:35.43 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 18:35.43 | enouf | it's what wade boggs calls his special knuckleball |
| 18:35.43 | dpkg | from memory, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 18:36.33 | HardDisk_WP | rehi |
| 18:36.45 | HardDisk_WP | a question: how can I configure beryl's number of virtual desktops? |
| 18:36.54 | HardDisk_WP | at least it doesnt care of the number KDE tells |
| 18:37.10 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: ask #beryl |
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| 18:37.21 | enouf | jetscreamer: ever get an answer to your paravirtualization question? |
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| 18:38.55 | enouf | jetscreamer: was looking at /Documentation/x86_64/boot-options.txt , but don't see anything specific, .. are you using a -xen kernel version? |
| 18:39.32 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: or -rt (from the realtime preempt patches ?) |
| 18:39.59 | hark | enouf: probably the CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y option |
| 18:40.23 | enouf | hark: he needs to disable it at boot time, even though =y is set |
| 18:40.42 | hark | yeah, fun ;) |
| 18:40.47 | enouf | hark: which .. heh |
| 18:40.47 | delight | !nvidia |
| 18:40.48 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 18:42.24 | nzk | I apt-get remove stuff, but the folders are still there |
| 18:42.26 | nzk | how do i get rid of them? |
| 18:42.45 | hark | purge them |
| 18:43.04 | nzk | is there some command to autoremove things? |
| 18:43.10 | hark | !enoufsmite nzk |
| 18:43.41 | hark | heh ;) |
| 18:43.48 | lhadji | nzk, i belive its apt-get --purge |
| 18:43.57 | lhadji | s/belive/believe |
| 18:44.16 | dutchfish | nzk, or just use apt-get remove --purge foo next time |
| 18:44.34 | nzk | ok |
| 18:44.35 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: You could just change the module license to GPL (not illegal for personaly use) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=85107&highlight=GPL+SYMBOL |
| 18:45.14 | hark | evil! |
| 18:45.22 | dutchfish | nzk, you also want to know dpkg --purge foo (after removing, but not purging with apt-get) |
| 18:45.48 | lhadji | dutchfish how is it different? |
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| 18:46.15 | dutchfish | lhadji, apt-get remove doesnt clean up your leftovers ie config files etc |
| 18:46.52 | lhadji | yeah. does --purge clean the packages it installs with foo? |
| 18:47.03 | dutchfish | lhadji, yup |
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| 18:47.37 | lhadji | cool |
| 18:48.17 | hark | !purge |
| 18:48.17 | dpkg | it has been said that purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 18:48.33 | enouf | heh "unsigned long val = 0; /* Damn you, gcc! */" |
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| 18:49.28 | dutchfish | hark, ty |
| 18:49.33 | jelly-home | !list |
| 18:49.33 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jelly-home |
| 18:49.38 | jelly-home | shoene |
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| 18:52.24 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: thanks i'll try that |
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| 18:52.51 | jetscreamer | enouf: no, it seems to be compiled into stock 2.6.20-3 |
| 18:52.56 | jetscreamer | non-xen |
| 18:53.12 | jetscreamer | specifically, linux-image-2.6.20-3-k7 |
| 18:53.54 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: still trying to use nv.run ? |
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| 18:54.29 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: on the stock kernel, yes. my selfcompiled ones work just fine though. |
| 18:54.52 | jetscreamer | course mine seem to have a problem with uuid in fstab |
| 18:55.06 | jetscreamer | but that's another story |
| 18:55.32 | enouf | hrm .. can't find PARAVIRT or PAE in say the amd64 config http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/arch/amd64/config?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 18:55.58 | jelly-home | enouf: um, PAE is needed for 32bit |
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| 18:56.17 | enouf | jelly-home: no idea which CPU he's using ;-) |
| 18:56.19 | jetscreamer | it's paravirt_ops iirc, or so... i found it (i386) |
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| 18:56.26 | jetscreamer | -k7 |
| 18:56.31 | jetscreamer | single |
| 18:56.33 | jelly-home | enouf: amd64 is not 32bit... |
| 18:56.36 | jetscreamer | single proc |
| 18:56.45 | enouf | who said amd64? |
| 18:56.56 | jelly-home | enouf: oyu just did |
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| 18:57.37 | enouf | nope .. no paravirt in that link for -k7 either (under the i386 tree) |
| 18:57.44 | Crissi | hello |
| 18:57.46 | enouf | jelly-home: no i didn't |
| 18:57.47 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: if you look in the source of nvidia-kernel-source then you will see the xenrt patch (I guess that fixes it for people using the debian way) |
| 18:57.59 | enouf | jelly-home: you misundersood me |
| 18:58.00 | Crissi | i got some issues with sid and nvidia drivers (deb) |
| 18:58.00 | jetscreamer | grep -i paravirt /boot/config-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 18:58.03 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: paravirtualisation doesn't require cpu support |
| 18:58.14 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: that is why its para |
| 18:58.16 | jelly-home | enouf: aye, but [20:55] <enouf> hrm .. can't find PARAVIRT or PAE in say the amd64 config http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/arch/amd64/config?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 18:58.22 | xingu | PATAVIRT_OPS isn't selectable for arch=x86_64 yet. |
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| 18:58.38 | enouf | keywords "in say" |
| 18:58.39 | Crissi | xorg tells me that the module doesnt exist but i installed nvidia-glx with contains nvidia_drv.so |
| 18:58.55 | jetscreamer | which xorg |
| 18:58.57 | Crissi | any hints whats broken in sid? |
| 18:58.58 | enouf | otherwise I'd have to flood the channel with each stinkin link |
| 18:59.02 | jetscreamer | the module and lib paths changed |
| 18:59.03 | jelly-home | enouf: well it was a worng place to look, wasn't it. nm. |
| 18:59.10 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ok, i messing things up i gues, was thing about xen and running native win32 dom-u's |
| 18:59.16 | Crissi | 7.1.0-18 |
| 18:59.22 | jetscreamer | or rather, X11R6 doesn't work anymore |
| 18:59.28 | xingu | enouf: both of those are arch=i386 only at this stage |
| 18:59.30 | jetscreamer | the directory |
| 18:59.31 | enouf | no it wasn't, i looked in i386 as well as k7 .. |
| 18:59.39 | Crissi | no.. its localted in /usr/lib/xorg/drivers |
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| 18:59.55 | jetscreamer | grep -i paravirt /boot/config-2.6.20-1-k7 returns CONFIG_PARAVIRT=y |
| 18:59.58 | Crissi | it has worked until 2-3 ago |
| 19:00.02 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Do you know of any tickless timer patches for x86_64 anywhere ? |
| 19:00.10 | jetscreamer | Crissi: i'm trying to tell you why |
| 19:00.11 | laza | I know that unstable is in transition, but what changes in 2.6.20 make module-assistant seem not to build modules anymore? |
| 19:00.29 | h3sp4wn | laza: source packages not been updated yet |
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| 19:01.11 | xingu | h3sp4wn: "dyntics" - probably in -mm, try http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/510600 |
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| 19:01.17 | jetscreamer | Crissi: i'm not trying to tell you to use the nvidia-installer, but this page explains why |
| 19:01.18 | jetscreamer | http://nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72490 |
| 19:01.21 | enouf | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/arch/i386/config.686?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 Old config? |
| 19:01.28 | xingu | h3sp4wn: dynticks rather. |
| 19:01.38 | h3sp4wn | xingu: that is the one thanks alot |
| 19:02.04 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: the dynticks thingy has apparently been included in 2.6.21, dunno about x86-64 tho |
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| 19:02.12 | enouf | suck ass |
| 19:02.22 | CrakdUp | FREE streaming MOVIEz http://heavytv.ca/MOVIES-INTRO.html (just added HEAT) (webcasts you can download such as Fight Club, The Beach, Charlies Angels, etc) |
| 19:02.26 | xingu | jelly-home: it's not merged yet (x86_64 dynticks) |
| 19:02.30 | keck0f | on packages.debian.org there are original .tar.gz-files and patches to a package. how do i apply the patch after i've done tar xvfz original.tar.gz? |
| 19:02.32 | jelly-home | xingu: ah! |
| 19:02.35 | dutchfish | xingu, how to read out that value from runnning xen-kernel? i would like to know |
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| 19:02.42 | xingu | jelly-home: generic clocksource is though |
| 19:02.42 | jelly-home | !ops CrakdUp spam |
| 19:02.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: CrakdUp spam |
| 19:02.58 | xingu | dutchfish: maybe try /proc/config.gz? |
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| 19:03.23 | Crissi | jetscreamer: i use the debian packages |
| 19:03.23 | laza | h3sp4wn: k. Is there a RSS feed which shows the update to the unstable archive |
| 19:03.32 | jetscreamer | Crissi: i'm not trying to tell you to use the nvidia-installer, but this page explains why |
| 19:03.33 | SillyG | http://digg.com/apple/The_Computer_Man_windows_95_mac_classic |
| 19:03.34 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 19:03.46 | SillyG | its tso tacky |
| 19:04.00 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: If you was not using the nvidia installer then your issue would not exist |
| 19:04.07 | dutchfish | xingu, nope |
| 19:04.07 | stormshadow | has n-e one got flash to work on deb_64 |
| 19:04.10 | Mr_Dave | SillyG: I know, digg really could have been so much more |
| 19:04.20 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: not important |
| 19:04.26 | SillyG | yeah |
| 19:04.29 | SillyG | digg too |
| 19:04.38 | dutchfish | xingu, i am only intrested in slices/sec |
| 19:04.40 | SillyG | I usually dont surf |
| 19:04.42 | SillyG | it |
| 19:04.44 | xingu | keck0f: apt-get source somepackage |
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| 19:05.13 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: I would say it is a good example of why not to use it |
| 19:05.13 | jelly-home | Mr_Dave: not with a bunch of morons taking the place of proper editors |
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| 19:05.40 | jetscreamer | h3sp4wn: paravirtualization should not be compiled into a stock kernel is my take on it... i'm no kernel guru though |
| 19:05.49 | dutchfish | xingu, like in [in] vmstat |
| 19:05.49 | keck0f | xingu: thanx |
| 19:05.52 | xingu | dutchfish: CONFIG_HZ value? get the kernel headers and look I guess. |
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| 19:06.22 | dutchfish | xingu, i know, but want to cat a value of the curent runnig kernel or simular |
| 19:06.55 | dutchfish | xingu, or read out directly |
| 19:06.56 | xingu | dutchfish: you either need proc config.gz support or the headers; not sure the timer freq. is specifically logged anywhere |
| 19:07.14 | dutchfish | xingu, thats my question |
| 19:07.21 | xingu | dutchfish: if you were really keen you could probably meter it yourself from /proc/interrupts timer interrupt or with a gettimeofday loop or something |
| 19:07.46 | dutchfish | xingu, i can prog that, cool advice! thx! |
| 19:08.18 | xingu | dutchfish: it'll be imprecise but you should be able to discern CONFIG_HZ_250 from 1000 from 100 via that method |
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| 19:08.30 | xingu | dutchfish: good luck. :) |
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| 19:09.16 | dutchfish | xingu, actually, for your info this is varying in xen depending on how many dom-U's are running and what they consume in ticks |
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| 19:09.31 | dutchfish | xingu, thats why i am intrested in it |
| 19:09.48 | xingu | dutchfish: oh, the stolen ticks problem |
| 19:09.53 | dutchfish | xingu, yup |
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| 19:10.24 | Crissi | hm. hotplugging seems also be broken since update today... no more i got a popup on usb hdd connect |
| 19:10.32 | xingu | dutchfish: is there something in /proc/stats that reports stolen ticks? |
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| 19:10.46 | xingu | dutchfish: that stuff is trying to get merged in mainline I think |
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| 19:11.06 | dutchfish | xingu, so far only i have made a tool from sratch with vmstat.h but its to in-acurate |
| 19:11.12 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: I would probably agree (I would like a -desktop kernel with preempt an a high timer hz - but unlikely to happen either) |
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| 19:12.02 | dutchfish | xingu, ticks are swinging between 250 - 310 with a stock xen-kernel |
| 19:12.03 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: did you use make-kpkg to build it ? (if so just use the config file in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:12.13 | xingu | dutchfish: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/3/13/245 |
| 19:12.23 | xingu | h3sp4wn: not that problem |
| 19:12.26 | dutchfish | xingu, ill try that 1, thx again!!! |
| 19:12.56 | xingu | h3sp4wn: problem is that timer ticks in a dom-u kernel image get nicked |
| 19:13.22 | xingu | h3sp4wn: the timer isr for a dom-u kernel is virtualised - the whole image is run as a thread by the dom0 kernel |
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| 19:13.53 | xingu | h3sp4wn: creates weird-ass beating issues when you look at one timer isr in dom0 then being responsible for triggering the timer isr in all the dom-u's |
| 19:14.03 | osirisx11 | how can i stop gksudo from asking my password? I want to always be authenticated. |
| 19:14.26 | abrotman | man sudoers |
| 19:14.30 | xingu | h3sp4wn: doubly weird when the dom-u is scheduled away from and the scheduled/running processes is then pre-empted when that dom-u is next rescheduled |
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| 19:14.39 | xingu | h3sp4wn: it's a real mindbend. |
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| 19:14.59 | dutchfish | xingu, you rock! |
| 19:15.11 | h3sp4wn | xingu: seems interesting (reading about it) |
| 19:15.31 | Crissi | i got it working again... udev was not right started.. after restart it and loading usb-storage it works again. |
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| 19:23.16 | pmfp | which package has the man pages for gethostbyaddr, scanf, and all the other standard c libs? gcc-doc is installed by I still don't have those pages |
| 19:23.31 | Thms | how can I make a repertory a hided repertory ? |
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| 19:23.55 | h3sp4wn | pmfp: manpages-dev |
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| 19:24.23 | limpio | hi all, is a processor 266 an amd k6 or k7? will it run with etch? |
| 19:24.40 | h3sp4wn | probably a k6 or k6-2 |
| 19:24.43 | pmfp | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | it'll run etch .. use the -486 kernel |
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| 19:25.42 | limpio | if i install etch, what linux-image will it run with? or not? |
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| 19:26.12 | limpio | sorry abrotman, i didn't see your post till now, thx |
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| 19:26.57 | enouf | [14:49:47] <jetscreamer> course mine seem to have a problem with uuid in fstab <-- see if your /etc/blkid.conf file has correct entries (maybe old,cached) and man blkid , maybe write a new one .. also check using /lib/udev/vol_id -ult /dev/hdXX say .. compare with ls -al /dev/disk/* |
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| 19:32.44 | xand | is it possible to read from the PS/2 keyboard rather than having it go to the console? |
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| 19:35.31 | abrotman | xand: all? |
| 19:35.47 | xand | abrotman: like by reading from /dev/something |
| 19:36.09 | xand | i have a barcode scanner which uses keyboard port... would like to read the data directly into a program without using its console |
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| 19:41.07 | abrotman | isn't that an API call ? |
| 19:41.15 | aoirthoir | howdy |
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| 19:43.43 | Octopssy | Does anyone have an idea how I best can find ./ , and then supply an argument to delete all files in that dir except a specified one |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | just one file ? |
| 19:44.24 | Octopssy | yes |
| 19:44.38 | abrotman | find? grep? xargs? |
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| 19:46.06 | Octopssy | yea i ment how to select all BUT that file |
| 19:47.06 | Skipp_OSX | Octopssy: I'd really like to know too |
| 19:47.30 | abrotman | man grep ? |
| 19:47.52 | abrotman | find -name *.jpg | grep -v ilovethispicture.jpb | xargs <command> |
| 19:48.00 | abrotman | erm .. find . -name *.jpg |
| 19:48.08 | abrotman | and i'd test that before you rm ANYTHING |
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| 19:48.26 | Octopssy | okay |
| 19:48.27 | abrotman | and there's probably a better way with find that i don't know |
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| 19:51.24 | pipegeek | Howdy, folks |
| 19:51.49 | JordiGH | Howdy, howdy. Look at me, I'm a cowboy! |
| 19:52.24 | pipegeek | Anybody know if it's possible to configure aptitude to use apt-get's new autoremove feature, in place of its own database? I tend to use synaptic these days, and so aptitude's database tends to rapidly get out of sync with reality |
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| 19:53.26 | JordiGH | What's the auto-remove feature? I haven't used apt-get in a while. |
| 19:54.04 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Removes a package, along with all the automatically-installed dependencies that would otherwise be orphaned |
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| 19:54.14 | pipegeek | JordiGH: In other words, it does what aptitude is good at |
| 19:55.27 | JordiGH | Why do you want aptitude to use a feature from apt-get that it already has natively? |
| 19:55.43 | pipegeek | JordiGH: I think it hasn't made it out of experimental yet |
| 19:55.52 | JordiGH | What, aptitude? |
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| 19:56.03 | pipegeek | nah, apt-get with autoremove |
| 19:56.06 | JordiGH | aptitude has had auto-remove working since it was born, and it's certainly not in experimental. |
| 19:56.11 | pipegeek | oh |
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| 19:56.29 | JordiGH | Are we communicating properly here? :-) |
| 19:57.03 | abrotman | enouf: nice first hit! |
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| 19:57.25 | pipegeek | It's possible I'm just ignrnt. But, as I understand it, one of the main reasons to use aptitude over apt-get is that aptitude implements additional dependency handling not in APT |
| 19:57.34 | Octopssy | thanks abrotman |
| 19:57.48 | Octopssy | lets check for some easier way |
| 19:58.05 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Pretty much, yeah. It does autoremove and it also treats recommends as dependencies by default. |
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| 19:58.30 | JordiGH | Sometimes aptitude doesn't install recommends, but complains loudly that it won't do it. I don't understand this behaviour eyt. |
| 19:58.33 | JordiGH | yet. |
| 19:58.37 | pipegeek | the upshot of which is that, when you uninstall a package with aptitude, all the packages which were installed along with it automatically as dependencies (and which are no longer needed by something else) are removed as well |
| 19:58.59 | pipegeek | But if you uninstall it with apt-get, automatically installed dependencies may remain |
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| 19:59.25 | JordiGH | Yes, of course. That seemed like a good enough idea to put it into apt-get. I'm not sure if it was the Ubuntu devs or the Debian devs who put that feature in first. I've only seen it in Ubuntu so far; maybe the Debian devs are being more conservative about it if it's still in experimental. |
| 19:59.48 | pipegeek | It's available here, but we're running a fairly customized version of etch |
| 19:59.57 | pipegeek | it may not have made it out of experimental in the real world |
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| 20:01.14 | pipegeek | But my problem is, that after a while of using synaptic, aptitude's database gets out of date. As a result, aptitude starts to assume that you want to remove various automatically-installed packages, because it isn't aware of why they're there. |
| 20:01.34 | abrotman | so use one or the other |
| 20:01.39 | pipegeek | Well, I would |
| 20:02.04 | JordiGH | Yes, you're right. It's still in experimental, in apt 0.7. |
| 20:02.26 | arencinosa | any help with imq? I like to know if `-j IMQ' will ACCEPT the packet |
| 20:02.35 | pipegeek | But I like synaptic. I really do. And I would rather use it when I can. But there are times when I need to do things from the command line, and I'd rather use aptitude (which has a full ncurses-based interface) than apt-get (which doesn't) in most cases |
| 20:02.42 | arencinosa | or just the packet will pass through the chain |
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| 20:03.29 | pipegeek | and it seems a shame to be forced into using one or another front-end all the time, when the back-end should be the same |
| 20:05.13 | pipegeek | but that's just me bitching :^) |
| 20:05.21 | pipegeek | JordiGH: ah |
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| 20:05.49 | JordiGH | What's wrong with aptitude's ncurses interface that synaptic doesn't have? Spend some time reading aptitude's manual. It can do everything synaptic can. The ncurses interface is mouse-enabled! |
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| 20:07.27 | JordiGH | hint: The first thing you may want to get a more synaptic-like interface is to hit shift-g and remove the first two entries from the comma-separated list that pops up. Presto! |
| 20:07.48 | pipegeek | JordiGH: I know. I've been using aptitude for years, and I don't mind it at all. It's a great tool. I just prefer synaptic aesthetically :^) Also, I try to use the software that we install at installfests, so I can answer questions from new users when they arise |
| 20:18.24 | JordiGH | And aptitude is allowed to be a slightly difficult tool to use that requires manual reading because it's an admin tool. Debian assumes admins are generally smart. :-) |
| 20:18.24 | JordiGH | aptitude is part of the base install and has been for a while. |
| 20:18.24 | pipegeek | JordiGH: I know aptitude well. I have no difficulty using it. It's just that, on balance, I don't *prefer* it |
| 20:18.24 | pipegeek | that's all |
| 20:18.25 | pipegeek | and I'd like to have the option of not using it |
| 20:18.25 | JordiGH | You'll have to wait, then... or use the experimental package, which Ubuntu seems happy to use. |
| 20:18.26 | pipegeek | Wait...so, does aptitude from experimental fix this problem? |
| 20:18.26 | JordiGH | apt-get from experimental. |
| 20:18.27 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: ubuntu seems to be maintaing apt at the moment |
| 20:18.27 | pipegeek | I'm already using apt-get from experimental |
| 20:18.27 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Really? |
| 20:18.28 | pipegeek | I want aptitude to be compatible with it |
| 20:18.28 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: (if you look at the changelogs - a large number are from canocial people) |
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| 20:18.28 | fasta | What mail client understands imap and can _very_ easily be setup to move all spam messages to another folder (the mail server already adds ***SPAM*** to spam messages.)? |
| 20:18.28 | JordiGH | pipegeek: "apt-cache policy apt" says 0.7 ? |
| 20:18.28 | enyc | fasta: thunderbird "message filters" work |
| 20:18.28 | pipegeek | yurp |
| 20:18.28 | enyc | fasta: or icedove whatver its called today |
| 20:18.29 | enyc | fasta: im sure there are loads of way of doing it |
| 20:18.29 | enouf | abrotman: f **K .. what channel? can't find it? |
| 20:18.29 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: I see Michael Vogt (@debian.org) and Andreas Barth... both DD. |
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| 20:18.30 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Then apt-get should already have autoremove. |
| 20:18.30 | pipegeek | JordiGH: It does. You're missing my point |
| 20:18.31 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: But still paid by canocial |
| 20:18.31 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Using apt-get autoremove eventually screws up aptitude' |
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| 20:18.31 | pipegeek | JordiGH: 's database, as it falls out of date |
| 20:18.32 | pluesch0r | anyone running xen able to tell me how to make use of ip, netmask and gateway directives in domU configuration files? how do i access those values from inside the domU? |
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| 20:18.32 | abrotman | enouf: fox |
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| 20:18.32 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Well... Then file a wishlist bug to have them both use the same database. |
| 20:18.32 | pipegeek | JordiGH: I don't want the two to be essentially incompatible, and I'm wondering if there's an easy fix. I'm guessing there isn't, yet, but I'm just curious |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | enouf: your starter already left the game :) |
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| 20:18.32 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: at least Michael Vogt works for them (paid) |
| 20:18.32 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: I see... |
| 20:18.33 | enouf | xand: since ps/2 devices are controlled through the xserver (i gues in most instances) .. i know there's RAW mode .. i was looking at stuff like that recently, but can't recall exactly which man page .. perhaps loadkeys, setxkbmap, stuff like that |
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| 20:18.33 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Okiedokie ^_^ Sorry to have been a pain. Thanks for the info. I'll see if there's a bug already |
| 20:18.34 | fasta | enyc: I had been using kmail, but it seems buggy. Evolution filters also didn't really work. I will try icedove |
| 20:19.13 | enouf | abrotman: it's usually .. 9 (wor) , yes , or espn .. or duh .. fox ..bah .. BTW.. it's 0, 0 .. who left? |
| 20:19.13 | jetscreamer | icedove filters work |
| 20:19.13 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Luckily, debian isn't ubuntu. A lot of other companies work on debian as well, whose philosophies clash even more visibly, but I don't see how this interferes with debian so long as their contributions are useful |
| 20:19.13 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: neither am I but that work on apt doesn't seem to be adversely affecting debian |
| 20:19.14 | enyc | fasta: alrse exim can do filters |
| 20:19.14 | abrotman | enouf: karstens got whacked in the knee after the first pitch :) |
| 20:19.14 | enyc | fasta: err also... |
| 20:19.15 | enyc | fasta: can be set to filter spam to .Spam in Maildir or whatever |
| 20:19.15 | enouf | abrotman: p00r karsten :-p |
| 20:19.15 | JordiGH | pipegeek, h3sp4wn, yeah, you're both right. I'm just paranoid, that's all. :-) |
| 20:19.16 | JordiGH | So, anyways, the question that brought me here, where was the description of what it takes for a package from unstable to automatically trickle down to testing? I thought it was in the policy, but I can't find it there. |
| 20:19.16 | enouf | it is.. depending |
| 20:19.17 | enouf | it can be 2days - 2 weeks IIRC, if there are no major bugs found |
| 20:19.18 | aoirthoir | howdy |
| 20:19.18 | JordiGH | enouf: It also has to be able to not depend on anything in unstable, right? |
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| 20:19.18 | enouf | JordiGH: i guess as a group, yes |
| 20:19.19 | pipegeek | JordiGH: I believe that's correct |
| 20:19.19 | JordiGH | Fat chance my favourite package will ever trickle down, then. :-( It depends on libc6 in unstable. |
| 20:19.19 | fasta | enyc: That's the UNIX mail mechanism, right? I.e. have one program continually fetch mail (e.g. fetchmail) and then a mail client can view that directory? |
| 20:19.19 | abrotman | 2-10 days |
| 20:19.20 | jelly-home | !britney |
| 20:19.20 | dpkg | i heard britney is ftp://ftp.debian.org (and mirrors) uses a rather complex set of scripts to keep it all running with new package updates and such. britney is the script responsible for migrating things from 'unstable' to 'testing'. See also <girls>, <katie>. |
| 20:19.20 | enouf | JordiGH: maybe a "/msg dpkg mg" or "/msg dpkg reference" can help clarify |
| 20:19.20 | JordiGH | Although I managed to manually install the unstable dotdeb and it seemed to run, despite dpkg's complaints. |
| 20:19.21 | arencinosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.21 | pipegeek | JordiGH: you could try doing a source install---ie, downloading the debian source package, and debian/rules build |
| 20:19.22 | enouf | abrotman: eee-gahhh-wah .. heh |
| 20:19.22 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Yeah... I could... I generally don't like overriding apt, though. It's not like I can't wait for the unstable package to trickle down; it's got mostly eye-candy. |
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| 20:19.24 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Yeah, that makes sense. Though you wouldn't be overriding apt, exactly---you'd just be building a package which isn't in any of the archives |
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| 20:19.24 | pipegeek | it'd still be a deb |
| 20:19.24 | enyc | fasta: err... EXIM is MTA... delivers mails to users... indeed... |
| 20:19.24 | JordiGH | pipegeek: /usr/local sucks. :P |
| 20:19.24 | enyc | fasta: yos you can ahve mail clients view directory direcotly |
| 20:19.25 | pipegeek | JordiGH: that's not what I'm suggesting |
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| 20:19.25 | enouf | exim4 |
| 20:19.25 | enyc | fasta: or you can have imap server running thens connect via imap to mailserver |
| 20:19.25 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Yes, sorry. I realise what you meant right after you said it. |
| 20:19.25 | irc | hello, i've an old graphics card which has a composit video output, can i use this to have a second X desktop displayed on it? |
| 20:19.25 | beetlepun_ | why is the multimedia still infant? |
| 20:19.25 | fasta | enyc: thens? |
| 20:19.35 | enouf | beetlepun_: we don't have Blistas? |
| 20:19.35 | JordiGH | Also, isn't there a pdf reader that can read gzipped pdfs? |
| 20:19.42 | pipegeek | JordiGH: You can build a .deb from the unstable source, and install it using dpkg. It'll go into the standard /usr heirarchy, and be removable using apt |
| 20:19.55 | JordiGH | pipegeek: Yes, I understand... Hmm... |
| 20:20.01 | enouf | JordiGH: libc6 also has to eventually trickle down |
| 20:20.02 | beetlepun_ | enouf, you mean blow vista? |
| 20:20.03 | enyc | fasta: error in enyc, mean "then" |
| 20:20.04 | pipegeek | JordiGH: Sorry, I should look to see if people responded while I was typing ;^) |
| 20:20.19 | pipegeek | brb |
| 20:20.22 | arencinosa | will `iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -j IMQ --todev 0' accept the packet or must I do `iptables ... -j RETURN' ?? |
| 20:20.27 | enouf | beetlepun_: nope .. i mean you get blisters when you use Blista[tm] |
| 20:20.51 | JordiGH | The DDs in charge of this package say that it's got some pretty serious bugs interacting with other packages, though. I didn't run into those bugs during the few seconds I tried out the unstable package, though. |
| 20:21.01 | jelly-home | arencinosa: is this IMQ thing in Debian? |
| 20:21.02 | JordiGH | enouf: libc6 is probably going to take the longest to trickle down. |
| 20:21.08 | enouf | JordiGH: see if pdftk can .. do a apt-cache show |
| 20:21.21 | pipegeek | back |
| 20:21.23 | enouf | JordiGH: yep .. but it will happen ;-) |
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| 20:21.32 | jelly-home | arencinosa: anyway try #netfilter or #iptables |
| 20:22.17 | JordiGH | wtf... aptitude install debian-reference wants to install all of the different languages too. I certainly don't speak all those languages... |
| 20:22.18 | beetlepun_ | enouf, you blind? really? |
| 20:22.32 | enouf | beetlepun_: nope .. but you're a b0z0 |
| 20:23.03 | beetlepun_ | enouf, well tell me why pc linux OS does a better multimedia job installation and i'll give you a buck :) |
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| 20:23.32 | beetlepun_ | debian needs an uplift for multimedia support.. it's just my feedback ?: |
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| 20:23.49 | enouf | define better , and i'll need about 20 to get it on with your sis, so pony up :-P |
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| 20:24.17 | jelly-home | beetlepun_: wrong place for feedback ... try a bug report on a specific package, or an appropriate mailing list |
| 20:24.26 | JordiGH | beetlepun_: Most of the multimedia problems in Debian are legal, not technical. Other distros are taking their chances, but Debian doesn't. |
| 20:24.36 | beetlepun_ | enouf, hey, it's time for an overhaul-- debian sucks when it comes to multimedia.. sorry -- but i have to say it here-- it's been six years i've been using debian..(and still use it btw) |
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| 20:24.54 | EruditeHermit | hey, I am trying to get Xen working, but when I try to boot the xen hypervisor kernel, I get an error saying that Xen doesn't support PAE, but dom0 has pae enabled. How do I turn pae off for debian? |
| 20:24.56 | epotash | how can i find out the UUID of a hard drive? |
| 20:25.03 | JordiGH | !tell beetlepun_ about debian-multimedia |
| 20:25.16 | h3sp4wn | epotash: /dev/disk/by-uuid or /lib/udev/vol_id |
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| 20:25.51 | JordiGH | beetlepun_: I use Debian with the debian-multimedia repositories to play mp3s, oggs, wmv, and DVDs. It doesn't suck; it just isn't in Debian for the aforementioned legal problems. |
| 20:25.58 | beetlepun_ | multimedia does work-- but there's no viscosity-- |
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| 20:26.04 | h3sp4wn | epotash: /dev/disk/by-uuid/* or (as root) /lib/udev/vol_id /dev/sda5 (or whatever) |
| 20:26.09 | JordiGH | Viscosity? |
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| 20:26.26 | epotash | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 20:27.24 | h3sp4wn | epotash: if swap doesn't have one then swapoff - vol_id -u /dev/sda2 (or whatever) then mkswap seems to generate one (don't really know why yet) |
| 20:27.24 | JordiGH | Aw, crap. What the hell happened here? I didn't read aptitude's output carefully enough and now it removed a bunch of packages it thought were unused... |
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| 20:27.41 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: /var/log/aptitude |
| 20:27.44 | beetlepun_ | well there's no viscosity in the webpages--that's why i prefer pc linux os, just for the multimedia that is.. |
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| 20:28.09 | h3sp4wn | (it tells you exactly what it did in the last operation so simple to get it back( |
| 20:28.45 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Yeah, it's still in the konsole buffer too... |
| 20:29.30 | zophy | on a vps system can the virtual servers run their own kernels ? |
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| 20:29.50 | h3sp4wn | zophy: xen or uml or vserver or ? |
| 20:30.01 | zophy | virtuozzo |
| 20:30.17 | epotash | h3sp4wn: okay that worked, but when i mount using the uuid, nautilus displays it using the name of the mountpoint rather than the label that it used to (and it doesnt show a usb icon). any idea how to change that? |
| 20:30.21 | h3sp4wn | ask them (its coommercial isn't it) |
| 20:30.23 | zophy | i obviously know nothing about these things |
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| 20:30.44 | h3sp4wn | epotash: No idea |
| 20:31.01 | epotash | ha thats fine, thanks |
| 20:31.01 | h3sp4wn | epotash: You could try mounting by label (if its ext2/ext3) |
| 20:31.34 | JordiGH | Oh, I see what the problem was... It autoremoved packages that were installed according to a recommends dependency when I said aptitude --no-recommends install debian-reference |
| 20:31.54 | JordiGH | Hm, is that a bug or a feature? |
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| 20:32.17 | h3sp4wn | --without-recommends ? |
| 20:32.19 | JordiGH | Now that I manually installed those packages, they're not going to get automatically removed. Ack. |
| 20:32.23 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Yeah, that. |
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| 20:34.17 | JordiGH | Where does aptitude store its tag database? There's not /etc/aptitude directory... |
| 20:34.29 | JordiGH | Going through the ncurses interface to tag those packages is going to be troublesome. :-/ |
| 20:34.32 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ya, the "--with(out)?-recommends" doesn't work only for the current action, but, er, globally |
| 20:34.54 | h3sp4wn | I would call that a bug |
| 20:34.59 | JordiGH | Me too. |
| 20:35.08 | jelly-home | JordiGH: um, aptitude install each one of them? |
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| 20:35.31 | h3sp4wn | aptitude markauto (whatever the line was you just used) |
| 20:35.53 | jelly-home | unmarkauto, but that would make sense if they weren't already removed |
| 20:35.53 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, I installed them again now. But now they're tagged as manually installed instead of automatically installed, so they won't get autoremoved. I could tag them with the ncurses interface, but I'd rather edit a conffile somewhere. :-) |
| 20:36.01 | JordiGH | Ah, ok. |
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| 20:36.28 | h3sp4wn | They are back marked as manual (I think) |
| 20:36.45 | JordiGH | Yeah, they were marked as manual since I did "aptitude install $list" |
| 20:36.47 | arencinosa | jelly-home: oh, sorry, I was talking about iptables's IMQ target |
| 20:37.06 | zaphands | Hello, does anyone know what's the lowlatency kernel is and why do I need it for the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:37.27 | h3sp4wn | zaphands: ask #ubuntu debian doesn't have a lowlatency kernel |
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| 20:37.46 | zaphands | thanks. |
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| 20:38.30 | jelly-home | wow, they have a kernel build for desktop usage? |
| 20:38.35 | nn-3 | what is the seporator for domain names in the apahe config ";" or ":" |
| 20:38.36 | JordiGH | Hm. Ok. Fixed now. Except that I still don't have my debian-reference installed without all the other languages. :P |
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| 20:39.04 | JordiGH | What's a lowlatency kernel? Or "desktop usage" for that matter? |
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| 20:39.47 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: its identical except 2 config options (when I had a look at it) |
| 20:39.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: the latter would be a kernel tuned to minimize audio/video skippage and make apps, esp. X apps more responsive |
| 20:40.06 | olek | hi , i have problem with sound , when a sound is playing i can also hear an awful high tone noise , soundcard : Nvidia HDA , can somebody help ? |
| 20:40.18 | xand | earplugs? |
| 20:40.29 | faked | I just did a new etch-installation, I have 2GB RAMs installed, but free only shows about 800MB. Memtest86 detects no RAMfailure, so what else could be wrong? |
| 20:40.34 | h3sp4wn | singing capacitors ? |
| 20:40.47 | JordiGH | !memory |
| 20:40.47 | dpkg | i heard memory is Chips in a computer that remember data. Also commonly referred to as RAM. |
| 20:40.50 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 20:40.53 | JordiGH | !free memory |
| 20:40.54 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 20:41.24 | JordiGH | faked: Wait, misread, free only reports 800 total megs? |
| 20:41.52 | faked | JordiGH, correct, only about 800 MB total |
| 20:42.00 | xand | faked: and what does your bios see? |
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| 20:42.19 | faked | xand, bios and memtest86 see 2048MB |
| 20:42.28 | jelly-home | faked: hm, install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem (or something like that) kernel package? |
| 20:42.37 | xand | you dont need bigmem for 2GB |
| 20:42.56 | xand | I have 2GB RAM and it "just works" |
| 20:43.35 | faked | jelly-home, before this installations a had sid running for about 1 year without this problem |
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| 20:43.57 | zaphands | xand: you do. I think it's configured in generic, without big mem you'll only have 833 MB |
| 20:44.11 | xand | zaphands: the non-bigmem kernel works fine |
| 20:44.21 | jelly-home | xand: hmm, lemme see the config in etch |
| 20:44.32 | hark | faked: uname -r ? |
| 20:44.34 | zaphands | xand: strange. |
| 20:44.34 | xand | I certainly never install the -bigmem one, and it works |
| 20:44.58 | xand | cat go mew |
| 20:45.06 | faked | hark, I think it is 2.6.18-4, one Moment, I'll check it again |
| 20:45.16 | JordiGH | The -bigmem package says it's for 4-6 gigs of RAM. |
| 20:45.18 | jelly-home | xand: yeah, CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y in 2.6.18-4-686 so it should work |
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| 20:45.26 | zaphands | xand: maybe that's a patch. |
| 20:45.46 | xand | yes, I thought bigmem for 4GB+ |
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| 20:46.45 | zaphands | xand: JordiGH: I guess that most new computers have more than 1GB ram. so that's why it's a default. |
| 20:47.04 | pluesch0r | how do i enable antispoof for domU instances on etch/xen? |
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| 20:47.49 | xand | looking at apt-cache search, looks like the -bigmem kernels are for 686 only, not k7 which is what i have |
| 20:47.51 | abrotman | the -486 still don't have that |
| 20:48.13 | xand | well I'd like to see a 486 machine with that much ram :P |
| 20:48.31 | xand | or a 586 |
| 20:48.51 | faked | Linux messiah 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:49.00 | hark | so, install the 686/k7 one |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | faked: and that doesn't have 4GB suppport |
| 20:49.29 | jelly-home | what hark said :-) |
| 20:50.29 | JordiGH | Wow. #143532 |
| 20:50.33 | JordiGH | It's old. :-/ |
| 20:51.38 | xand | !wwer |
| 20:51.38 | dpkg | from memory, wwer is IT'S OUT!! http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2007/msg00002.html .. dang that feel good!! |
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| 20:51.40 | nzk | is it possible to make a apache say how many GB of CSS/HTML/JS/MYSQL was happened? |
| 20:51.53 | JordiGH | !wwlr |
| 20:51.53 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline <add URL here> |
| 20:51.55 | abrotman | apache knows nothing about mysql |
| 20:52.13 | xand | !add URL here |
| 20:52.15 | xand | :O |
| 20:52.30 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah, aptitude has some crappy bugs. But apt-get has others. :-) |
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| 20:54.17 | faked | ok, 2.6.18-4-686 is showing now 2GB, thank you all for help! |
| 20:54.32 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 20:54.32 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 20:55.26 | JordiGH | !next |
| 20:55.53 | JordiGH | Er, what was the syntax for teaching dpkg commands instead of giving it factoids? |
| 20:56.17 | robin_sz | dpkg, syntax is hard |
| 20:56.17 | dpkg | robin_sz: okay |
| 20:56.22 | sebas892 | hello, yesterday I was installing etch with d-i amd64 but at the time of partioning the discs.... |
| 20:56.25 | JordiGH | !syntax |
| 20:56.25 | dpkg | hmm... syntax is hard |
| 20:56.28 | JordiGH | !syntax |
| 20:56.29 | robin_sz | dpkg, syntax? |
| 20:56.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, syntax is hard |
| 20:56.30 | sebas892 | I didn't have the raid option... |
| 20:56.54 | nzk | How do I check what ports i'm using |
| 20:57.09 | JordiGH | nzk: Like Trinity in the matrix... use nmap! |
| 20:57.24 | sebas892 | could it be the version of the d-i ? ?? |
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| 20:57.52 | EruditeHermit | hi, can anyone help me with Xen and disabling PAE on debian kernels? |
| 20:59.26 | JordiGH | Lots of Xen questions today... why is that? |
| 20:59.29 | aoirthoir | anyone here work with the debian project? |
| 20:59.43 | valdyn | !tell aoirthoir -about ask |
| 20:59.51 | JordiGH | aoirthoir: There are a few DDs hanging around, but if you really want to talk to DDs, go to #debian-devel on the OFTC. |
| 20:59.58 | pluesch0r | JordiGH: noone stops us by answering them. |
| 21:00.12 | JordiGH | pluesch0r: eh? |
| 21:00.19 | pluesch0r | JordiGH: the xen questions. |
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| 21:00.33 | aoirthoir | valdyn, cool thank you. And if I want to get in charge of the folks who run it in a sense? |
| 21:00.52 | JordiGH | pluesch0r: So you're alll the same person asking Xen questions? ;-) |
| 21:00.56 | aoirthoir | valdyn, basically my question would be...could I have something like aoirthoirdebian or would that irkl the debian folks? |
| 21:01.05 | valdyn | aoirthoir: no person is in charge of debian |
| 21:01.09 | pluesch0r | JordiGH: no. i'd just like to know how to enable antispoof support. |
| 21:01.14 | valdyn | aoirthoir: what exactly do you need? |
| 21:01.32 | aoirthoir | valdyn, posted:) |
| 21:01.35 | aoirthoir | valdyn, basically my question would be...could I have something like aoirthoirdebian or would that irkl the debian folks? |
| 21:01.41 | JordiGH | Well.. Sam is *kinda* in charge of Debian... |
| 21:01.46 | JordiGH | !dpl |
| 21:01.46 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 21:01.51 | JordiGH | ! |
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| 21:02.24 | valdyn | aoirthoir: that's on the debian.org site somewhere, or ask #debian-legal |
| 21:02.37 | aoirthoir | valdyn, cool thanks g! |
| 21:02.41 | JordiGH | dpkg, dpl ~= s/Anthony Towns/Sam Hocevar/ |
| 21:02.46 | valdyn | aoirthoir: there's a license for the name, I'm sure, no single person is responsible. |
| 21:02.49 | aoirthoir | no one is there now:) |
| 21:03.02 | JordiGH | I think #debian-legal is also in OFTC. |
| 21:03.04 | jelly-home | aoirthoir: but basically you'd need approval to name something "Foo Debian" or "Debian Foo" |
| 21:03.17 | aoirthoir | valdyn, I will start reading up on it...considering the firefox/mozilla debacle..I am glad you guys are going to ice weasel name use:) |
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| 21:04.09 | valdyn | aoirthoir: usually people don't used 'debian' directly, but a subtitle like 'based on debian' or 'xebian' for instance |
| 21:04.37 | JordiGH | The Iceweasel debacle isn't because we're uptight religious zealots. It's because Mozilla said "change the name, please" and we said "ok". |
| 21:05.02 | xand | JordiGH: of course. |
| 21:05.07 | JordiGH | I don't understand why Mozilla didn't ask Ubuntu to change the name too, but meh. |
| 21:05.15 | aoirthoir | valdyn, ok cool |
| 21:05.20 | jelly-home | valdyn: there are some interesting web pages like "www.debianadmin.com" that seem to basically rip off content from elsewhere and try to live on clickthru |
| 21:05.29 | aoirthoir | JordiGH, no the firefox debacle isnt because of you..its because of mozilla |
| 21:05.43 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: good businessman the guy in charge of them I guess he had meetings about it |
| 21:05.45 | aoirthoir | JordiGH, I applaud you for standing your ground! |
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| 21:06.00 | valdyn | Other distros do ask for approval for any patch they apply, at least 'officially' |
| 21:06.02 | aoirthoir | JordiGH, and this same exact issue has come up with ubuntu now... |
| 21:06.05 | JordiGH | aoirthoir: Mozilla isn't the villain here either. |
| 21:06.16 | valdyn | Debian however cant and wont do that. |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm .. yes they are |
| 21:06.42 | aoirthoir | valdyn, i am fine with debian. been using ubuntu but seriously considering debian now. |
| 21:06.48 | JordiGH | abrotman: They want brand name recognition. I don't see what the problem with that is. |
| 21:06.50 | terr | I have an xpdf printing issue. ITs clipping the top line of hte page. Can anyone offer a suggestion why and how to prevent this? |
| 21:07.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: they have brandname recognition .. they actually have less now |
| 21:07.12 | xand | isn't the debian name/logo trademarked like mozilla/firefox is? |
| 21:07.23 | valdyn | Mozilla simply does not trust debian to keep firefox up to mozilla.org's standards |
| 21:07.32 | JordiGH | abrotman: Iceweasel crashes on me all the time. Whether that's Debian's fault or not... |
| 21:07.35 | valdyn | ... which i consider ridiculous, but other's don't |
| 21:07.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's probably you :) |
| 21:07.42 | aoirthoir | abrotman, i agee. they could have used a kind of cc attribution/share alike license on the name |
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| 21:07.49 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: flash's fault probably (if you use it) |
| 21:08.03 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: Nah. It crashes when I switch focus quickly, I think. |
| 21:08.03 | abrotman | JordiGH: since it's the same as FF with different artwork and files moved to keep with debian policy (mostly) |
| 21:08.08 | xand | iceweasel rarely crashes on me... firefox on windows is another story :) |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: check the changelog if you'd like to see the difference |
| 21:08.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: I thought it also patched some bugs? |
| 21:08.20 | h3sp4wn | (since I started with iceweasel - amd64 - its not crashed once) |
| 21:08.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: check the changelog |
| 21:08.35 | aoirthoir | h3sp4wn, does etch come with firefox or iceweasel? |
| 21:08.39 | h3sp4wn | the 32 bit one has on my laptop |
| 21:08.43 | h3sp4wn | aoirthoir: iceweasel |
| 21:08.55 | abrotman | there is a transitional FF package |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | gnu iceweasel is FF1.x iirc |
| 21:09.36 | jelly-home | xand: that too |
| 21:09.39 | JordiGH | And a lot of things internally in Debian still refer to Firefox. E.g. KDE apps refer to Firefox. |
| 21:09.56 | JordiGH | xand: I thought GNU Iceweasel and Debian Iceweasel might merge? |
| 21:10.04 | xand | iceweasel error messages tend to say "firefox" ;) |
| 21:10.10 | valdyn | JordiGH: how can kde apps refer to a specific webbrowser? |
| 21:10.24 | valdyn | JordiGH: doesn't kde set the default browser centrally somewhere? |
| 21:10.30 | abrotman | JordiGH: they might |
| 21:10.30 | JordiGH | valdyn: Klicker does. |
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| 21:11.16 | jelly-home | XChat says "mozilla" instead of seamonkeh |
| 21:11.18 | Mark17 | is it possible to add 50 ips in a more easy way? |
| 21:11.29 | JordiGH | xand: No, as far as I can tell, Iceweasel is pretty clear about always referring to itself as Iceweasel as far as the user is concerned. I mean, internally some conffiles still refer to firefox, and ps shows firefox.bin, but overall, the user doesn't see those. |
| 21:11.31 | jelly-home | Mark17: add them where? |
| 21:11.35 | abrotman | Mark17: IPs to what? |
| 21:11.37 | militant | vobcopy produces more than one file. when i play the 2nd, it jumps me back to the first? |
| 21:11.44 | JordiGH | valdyn: Sorry, Klipper. |
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| 21:13.58 | xand | JordiGH: I'm pretty sure there's a few places where it still says Firefox |
| 21:14.17 | JordiGH | xand: Find them. ;-) |
| 21:14.40 | Mark17 | jelly-home add them to debian (so i can connect on multiple ips for that server, i need it for ssl (https)) |
| 21:14.41 | JordiGH | xand: The Book of Mozilla doesn't count. That's too vague. ;-) |
| 21:14.50 | Bawbag | xand: Really? |
| 21:14.59 | pablo_ | hi, how can i check if my ram is working correctly? |
| 21:15.15 | valdyn | pablo_: why do you think its broken? |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | !ipalias |
| 21:15.34 | dpkg | methinks ipalias is at /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz which is in the doc-linux-* packages |
| 21:15.45 | xand | JordiGH: I think the message you get where it thinks it's already running due to existence of lock files |
| 21:15.51 | pablo_ | valdyn: dont know, how do i do a checksum or something to taste it? |
| 21:15.54 | Mark17 | pablo_: http://www.memtest86.com/ you could use that |
| 21:16.09 | JordiGH | xand: No, that says Iceweasel. |
| 21:16.20 | xand | well... fixed very recently then |
| 21:16.29 | valdyn | pablo_: memtest86 is one ram testing tool, but still ram errors can be very very hard to track down. Memtest86 does not find all errors |
| 21:16.42 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: 21:17 < oOGneaOo> eletrantwo:/home/gnea/iceweasel-2.0+dfsg# rgrep [Ff][Ii][Rr][Ee][Ff][Oo][Xx] * > ../iceweasel_firefox_violations.log \n 21:18 < oOGneaOo> 153474 2006-11-23 14:16 iceweasel_firefox_violations.log (from the logs of this channel) |
| 21:16.51 | pablo_ | valdyn: ok |
| 21:17.05 | pablo_ | valdyn: can i run it with debian running? |
| 21:17.11 | jelly-home | pablo_: install and use memtest86+ package |
| 21:17.11 | valdyn | pablo_: no |
| 21:17.21 | xand | h3sp4wn: does rgrep not have an -i switch? :P |
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| 21:17.31 | valdyn | pablo_: there's a plain 'memtest' too, that can test most of your ram, while debian is running |
| 21:17.32 | jelly-home | pablo_: you have to reboot into it |
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| 21:17.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: kids these days ... |
| 21:17.50 | h3sp4wn | xand: I know it does (but it has been done before) |
| 21:18.17 | pablo_ | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 21:18.17 | h3sp4wn | xand: I just remembered someone had done that before so just looked in the logs |
| 21:18.23 | Mirrakor | when I do cp -rfv /source/ /dest, it ask me if I want to overwrite a file - how can I supress this question? (I want it to overwrite all files in the dest) |
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| 21:19.12 | pablo_ | jelly-home: i should idd something to grub? |
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| 21:19.54 | jelly-home | pablo_: is you use update-grub, memtest86+ is added into /boot/grub/menu.lst automatically |
| 21:20.05 | Yggdrasil | wich one of these is generally considered the best ? dxr3 aadxr3 xv opengl aa caca xshm none xxmc sdl vidix vidixfb fb xvmc |
| 21:20.07 | valdyn | pablo_: compiling a kernel can do a better job than memtest86 in finding if ram issues exist, circumstantially, since it runs in a 'real' environment |
| 21:20.12 | Oryn | I have a strange fullscreen problem I have a 3 headed system 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1024x768 if I try running progs on ether of the smaller screens in fullscreen mode the fullscreen size is 1280x1024 ie bigger than the screen |
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| 21:20.51 | valdyn | Oryn: use a window manager that supports this |
| 21:20.52 | JordiGH | Amusingly enough, the -f switch in cp doesn't do the same thing as the -f switch in rm. |
| 21:21.04 | pablo_ | valdyn: to much work to recompile kernel zD |
| 21:21.10 | pablo_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 21:21.25 | xand | JordiGH: well for starters, user profile is in ~/.mozilla/firefox :P |
| 21:21.41 | jetscreamer | http://www.qeradiant.com/top/ |
| 21:21.46 | JordiGH | xand: Yeah, conffiles it's still there, but who digs in there? |
| 21:21.50 | xand | me? |
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| 21:22.06 | mollyxp | hi all |
| 21:22.10 | mollyxp | who know , how use iptables related,established on kernel >= 2.6.20 ??? |
| 21:22.12 | JordiGH | xand: I'm saying that the GUI never refers to Firefox. |
| 21:22.19 | krichie | www.krichie.extra.hu |
| 21:22.22 | h3sp4wn | I think its easier to edit stuff in ~/.mozilla/firefox than using about:config |
| 21:22.31 | valdyn | mollyxp: same as always? |
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| 21:22.42 | valdyn | mollyxp: at least my shorewall isnt complaining that things broke |
| 21:23.07 | mollyxp | valdyn, iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 21:23.10 | xand | JordiGH: about:config mentions it |
| 21:23.15 | mollyxp | valdyn, No chain/target/match by that name |
| 21:23.51 | JordiGH | xand: The useragent string? |
| 21:24.00 | valdyn | mollyxp: then fix your kernel configuration and install that fixed kernel |
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| 21:24.05 | JordiGH | xand: about:config isn't meant for users to tinker with either. |
| 21:24.12 | valdyn | mollyxp: rule works fine |
| 21:24.19 | xand | JordiGH: I beg to differ |
| 21:25.07 | JordiGH | xand: No, it really isn't. That's why it's undocumented and ugly and there's and edit preferences box. Users who tinker with it are assumed to be doing so at their own risk. It's internal. |
| 21:25.17 | JordiGH | an edit preferences dialogue, I mean. |
| 21:25.20 | jelly-home | Mark17: I didn't want to add 24 aliases into /etc/network/interfaces either, so I did something like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18157/ |
| 21:25.22 | mollyxp | valdyn, i compiled new kernel with old kernel config |
| 21:25.23 | valdyn | mollyxp: using a config from a kernel <=2.6.19 will make you have to reenable the firewall stuff |
| 21:25.46 | valdyn | mollyxp: i thought so |
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| 21:26.12 | xand | JordiGH: and why is the binary called firefox-bin? |
| 21:26.37 | JordiGH | xand: The user doesn't have to see that binary either... That's also internal. |
| 21:26.56 | jelly-home | Mark17: Used ip (from iproute2 package) instead of ifconfig since it has nicer and shorter syntax |
| 21:27.01 | valdyn | xand: why bother? mozilla.org cant disallow a binary name |
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| 21:27.09 | mollyxp | valdyn, yep, but what section of a kernel is necessary for including ??? i looked all inclusive like, hmm |
| 21:27.19 | valdyn | xand: though this would probably still be considered a bug.. |
| 21:27.24 | jelly-home | Mark17: sorry, iproute package |
| 21:27.48 | JordiGH | xand: My point was that Iceweasel is pretty consistent about presenting itself as Iceweasel to the user. Unless you dig around (and if you do, you're not an ordinary user), you can see traces of Firefoxness, but then again, maybe if you dig around deeply enough, you'll find traces of Mosaic too. ;-) |
| 21:27.59 | valdyn | mollyxp: use a debian kernel or your old one, or ask a kernel forum, i don't do kernel config support, sorry |
| 21:28.05 | rahul | eek |
| 21:28.12 | rahul | JordiGH: nah, mosaic is a separate codebase |
| 21:28.23 | rahul | JordiGH: moz was rewritten from the ground up |
| 21:28.34 | mollyxp | valdyn, ok =) |
| 21:28.38 | JordiGH | rahul: So will I come up blank if I grep the Firefox code for "mosaic"? |
| 21:28.45 | rahul | JordiGH: probably |
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| 21:29.00 | rahul | JordiGH: unless it's in a comment referring to something that mosaic did |
| 21:29.14 | nihraguk | mosaic is so old school. |
| 21:29.20 | xand | JordiGH: there're Firefox bookmarks in the Bookmarks menu by default |
| 21:29.28 | jelly-home | JordiGH: um, ps rather clearly shows a "firefox-bin" process |
| 21:29.53 | xand | JordiGH: and the "getting started" bookmark goes to firefox website |
| 21:30.00 | JordiGH | xand: Ok. You win. That's the kind of examples I was looking for. |
| 21:30.03 | rahul | nihraguk: so is CERN httpd, but we still have a patchy version of it |
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| 21:30.57 | jetscreamer | yeh firefox-bin |
| 21:31.03 | jetscreamer | for iceweasel |
| 21:31.30 | rahul | assbadger |
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| 21:31.34 | jelly-home | noone cares |
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| 21:31.38 | JordiGH | puddlepossum |
| 21:31.50 | jetscreamer | my dog killed a baby possum last night |
| 21:31.52 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 21:31.53 | rahul | heh |
| 21:31.54 | jetscreamer | it was cute |
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| 21:32.02 | Guerin | jetscreamer: good. They're a noxious pest. |
| 21:32.02 | rahul | did it taste cute? |
| 21:32.09 | Guerin | (At least in NZ) |
| 21:32.16 | rahul | they're a pest everywhere |
| 21:32.26 | xand | rahul: no they aren't |
| 21:32.32 | rahul | pfft |
| 21:32.39 | Guerin | they're endemic to australia, at least |
| 21:32.41 | rahul | next you'll say squirrels aren't a pest |
| 21:32.56 | Guerin | and part of the Natural Order Of Things, since they haven't reached uncontrollable numbers |
| 21:32.56 | xand | i don't see how squirrels are pests |
| 21:32.57 | JordiGH | Guerin: What? What about American marsupials? Aren't those possums? |
| 21:33.03 | rahul | xand: you are a tool |
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| 21:33.17 | Guerin | JordiGH: a possum is an australian marsupial, but not all australian marsupials are possums |
| 21:33.30 | Guerin | now kangaroos, on the other hand |
| 21:33.41 | Guerin | some places in Oz have shoot-on-sight orders for those |
| 21:33.53 | Guerin | not a nice way to treat yer national animal |
| 21:34.08 | rahul | US isn't much better |
| 21:34.17 | JordiGH | Guerin: Wiki says American marsupials are also possums: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didelphimorphia |
| 21:34.21 | JordiGH | Some |
| 21:34.26 | JordiGH | opossum |
| 21:34.33 | rahul | with how we poison the water and then the bald eagle gets the poison from the fish |
| 21:34.34 | Guerin | JordiGH: i know about possums, cheers |
| 21:34.35 | JordiGH | Maybe an opossum is different froma possum? |
| 21:34.39 | Guerin | yes |
| 21:34.41 | Guerin | well |
| 21:34.46 | abrotman | Guerin: we have them here too |
| 21:34.52 | Guerin | abrotman: i realise... |
| 21:35.30 | war | Are there any live CD's that have kino 1.0 on them? |
| 21:35.32 | JordiGH | It's probably just a problem with terminology. Like how my Australian ex-girlfriend would refuse to refer to hedgehogs as anything but echidnas. :-) |
| 21:35.42 | war | even debian unstable does not have it |
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| 21:36.37 | abrotman | !info kino sid |
| 21:36.40 | dpkg | kino: (Non-linear editor for Digital Video data), section graphics, is extra. Version: 0.92-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1361 kB, Installed size: 3920 kB |
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| 21:36.49 | abrotman | !info kino experimental |
| 21:36.54 | abrotman | war: ask #debian-kde |
| 21:37.02 | JordiGH | Speaking of national animals, who's the only country who eats them both? :-) |
| 21:37.17 | rahul | france? |
| 21:37.30 | Guerin | france has a national animal? |
| 21:37.35 | rahul | heh |
| 21:37.36 | JordiGH | rahul: Folks from .au are quick to claim it's them. ;-) |
| 21:37.37 | enouf | 2 no less? |
| 21:37.37 | rpc | china? |
| 21:37.48 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah, emus and kangaroos, iirc. |
| 21:37.49 | Guerin | rpc: yeh, probably right |
| 21:37.50 | rahul | yeah, the goose and the frog |
| 21:37.52 | rpc | there are lots of yummy dogs in china btw |
| 21:38.06 | enouf | koreans eat dog |
| 21:38.12 | enouf | iinm |
| 21:38.13 | Guerin | i can attest to that |
| 21:38.18 | Guerin | !iinm |
| 21:38.18 | dpkg | i guess iinm is If I'm Not Mistaken |
| 21:38.21 | rpc | chinese eat dogs too, also rats |
| 21:38.35 | Mirrakor | huh? |
| 21:38.40 | Guerin | rpc: and snakes, alligators, bugs, cats, sparrows, etc. |
| 21:38.41 | rpc | but it's no different from france eating frogs |
| 21:38.47 | Guerin | meat is meat |
| 21:38.55 | abrotman | xand: so is eating pesticide laden produce :) |
| 21:39.15 | Guerin | dog can be good ... depends on the preparation |
| 21:39.23 | Guerin | sometimes it just tastes doggy |
| 21:39.25 | enouf | chilled monkey brains? |
| 21:39.26 | Guerin | you know |
| 21:39.30 | Guerin | like the smell of wet dog |
| 21:39.38 | Guerin | enouf: never had the chance |
| 21:39.44 | xand | goddammit, no sound |
| 21:39.55 | enouf | Guerin: byoag |
| 21:40.01 | Guerin | !byoag |
| 21:40.03 | rpc | enouf they aren't chilled.. speaking of eating brains they eat them ALIVE |
| 21:40.05 | enouf | bring your own angle grinder |
| 21:40.12 | Guerin | heh |
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| 21:40.27 | Guerin | rpc: yeah, I draw the line at that. |
| 21:40.30 | rpc | enouf i can't even imagine doing this to an animal btw |
| 21:40.35 | Guerin | live squid/octopus is one thing |
| 21:40.53 | Guerin | but something that can scream WHILE I'm eating it, a step too far |
| 21:41.02 | Guerin | even for a hardened predator such as myself |
| 21:41.02 | rahul | y'all should listen to some tristania instead of this blatering |
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| 21:41.13 | enouf | rpc: it's pretty darned powerful what learned behavior can accomplish .. and there's your env |
| 21:41.17 | ma3x | who's the man who found debian? |
| 21:41.22 | rahul | burning spear, huh |
| 21:41.24 | Guerin | who, ironically is ital vegan |
| 21:41.27 | xand | ma3x: found it? |
| 21:41.29 | rpc | enouf err? |
| 21:41.32 | Guerin | ma3x: i found it |
| 21:41.32 | ma3x | xand the founder, yes |
| 21:41.41 | ma3x | Guerin, no shit |
| 21:41.42 | rpc | enouf lots of crap in fish too, btw :) |
| 21:41.46 | themill | max3x: Ian Murcdoch |
| 21:41.47 | Guerin | ma3x: you found it too! |
| 21:41.48 | rahul | roots reggae hrm |
| 21:41.52 | nn-3 | hi all |
| 21:41.53 | Guerin | murdock |
| 21:41.57 | xand | ma3x: founded, not found... and ian murdoch |
| 21:41.58 | jetscreamer | ah live monkey brains |
| 21:42.01 | xand | (debian) |
| 21:42.03 | enouf | i know .. i go to the hudson to get the highest levels of pcbs |
| 21:42.04 | Guerin | murdoCK |
| 21:42.08 | Guerin | spell it right |
| 21:42.13 | xand | debain! |
| 21:42.13 | Guerin | like the guy from A-Team |
| 21:42.14 | themill | max3x s/Murchdoch/Murcdoch ....fat fingering things all over the place tonight |
| 21:42.16 | nn-3 | php is flodded |
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| 21:42.23 | rpc | enouf it doesn't really matter where you buy them.. |
| 21:42.23 | abrotman | enouf: but there's a special reason for that |
| 21:42.31 | themill | Geurin: argh.... and going mad at the same time |
| 21:42.35 | abrotman | enouf: and kodak has been helping to clean the river and save the sturgeon! |
| 21:42.41 | ma3x | is he like bill gates or something? |
| 21:42.45 | ma3x | is he a millionare? |
| 21:42.48 | Guerin | ma3x: no, he's human. |
| 21:42.49 | enouf | rpc: i know that too .. but hint: psstt .. stay away form the "love canal" |
| 21:43.03 | rpc | enouf lol |
| 21:43.09 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't think he's insanely wealthy, but he is well off ... he's CTO for Sun Mictosystems |
| 21:43.13 | rahul | oh, that girl is probably waitressing tonight |
| 21:43.13 | Guerin | s/t/r/ |
| 21:43.25 | nn-3 | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: scandir() in /var/www/scripts/filebin/lister.php on line ... what am i missing |
| 21:43.29 | rahul | speaking of offtopic tangents |
| 21:43.34 | vin` | debain... http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211 |
| 21:43.34 | enouf | abrotman: aren't huge global corps the best model citizens ;-) |
| 21:43.39 | ma3x | Guerin, why you type s/t/r/ when you can just type r/t |
| 21:43.41 | xand | ma3x: bill gates isn't a millionaire ;) |
| 21:43.43 | rahul | Guerin: this is good stuff |
| 21:43.45 | ma3x | what's the s for? |
| 21:43.49 | abrotman | enouf: at least they're taking responsibility and helping to clean it up |
| 21:43.52 | rahul | listening to the extended mix of Walk |
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| 21:43.57 | ma3x | xand, his daughter / son are |
| 21:43.59 | bravo___ | hi, I want to install libncurses using apt-get install but apt-get wants to remove the kernel image for install this making impossible to boot after if I can't compile a new kernel. What I suppose to do? |
| 21:44.06 | Guerin | rahul: the Marcus Garvey album is his finest hour |
| 21:44.09 | xand | ma3x: you don;t know what s/// means? |
| 21:44.15 | ma3x | xand no |
| 21:44.16 | Guerin | rahul: and Garvey's Ghost, which is the dubwise mix |
| 21:44.19 | ma3x | you do? |
| 21:44.21 | xand | ma3x: good |
| 21:44.25 | Guerin | ma3x: man sed |
| 21:44.29 | enouf | abrotman: that's cool .. wonder how far reynolds wrap , and exxon are willing to go |
| 21:44.38 | rahul | cool |
| 21:44.43 | nn-3 | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: scandir() in /var/www/scripts/filebin/lister.php on line ... what am i missing |
| 21:44.46 | xand | ma3x: but I thought you didn't |
| 21:44.46 | abrotman | enouf: the hudson isn't exxon's fault :) |
| 21:44.49 | ma3x | Guerin, what would i need that for? |
| 21:44.54 | abrotman | nn-3: a php package |
| 21:45.00 | themill | bravo___: sid? lenny? etch? |
| 21:45.03 | nn-3 | witch one |
| 21:45.05 | enouf | abrotman: wel .. rpc made it a global issue .. i'm still staying regional ;-P |
| 21:45.09 | Guerin | i swear, i bought the last car to ever roll off the production line with a tape deck |
| 21:45.09 | ma3x | Guerin, the s means transforming/transcribing? |
| 21:45.17 | Guerin | and can't be arsed changing it, since it's good |
| 21:45.18 | rahul | s = substitute |
| 21:45.21 | rahul | d = delete, etc |
| 21:45.26 | Guerin | so I'm just going to make a shitload of casette tapes |
| 21:45.32 | enouf | ewww |
| 21:45.43 | nn-3 | abrotman, which php package am i missing |
| 21:45.48 | abrotman | nn-3: NFC |
| 21:46.04 | enouf | Guerin: at the least go 8-track ..lol |
| 21:46.07 | ma3x | Guerin, why did you buy it with tape deck? |
| 21:46.18 | abrotman | nn-3: php4 or php5? |
| 21:46.23 | nn-3 | abrotman, you have the keys to let me in to #php when its full |
| 21:46.35 | abrotman | nn-3: php4 or php5? |
| 21:46.36 | nn-3 | abrotman, php4 |
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| 21:46.47 | abrotman | that function wasn't implemented until php5 |
| 21:46.52 | abrotman | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.scandir.php |
| 21:46.53 | ma3x | do you think suspending the machine is useful? |
| 21:46.59 | nn-3 | ok |
| 21:47.10 | bravo___ | themill: Sarge |
| 21:47.22 | Guerin | ma3x: because it came with one |
| 21:47.28 | Guerin | ma3x: and it's otherwise an awesome car |
| 21:47.32 | enouf | well ... then there's reel-to-reel 8track which is not a joke like the commodity crap , but still tapes are very susceptible to environment, etc |
| 21:47.41 | ma3x | Guerin, what kinda car, peugeot? |
| 21:47.42 | Guerin | enouf: too hard to change while driving |
| 21:47.52 | enouf | gotcha |
| 21:47.53 | Guerin | ma3x: fuck no, subaru legacy wagon |
| 21:47.54 | themill | braxo___ did you update your /etc/apt/sources.list to read sarge or oldstable (not stable) since etch was released? |
| 21:48.06 | ma3x | Guerin, screenshot? |
| 21:48.09 | enouf | outback! |
| 21:48.31 | Guerin | ma3x: it's not in my computer, so I can't take a screenshot of it |
| 21:48.37 | Guerin | enouf: nah, just stock legacy |
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| 21:48.58 | Guerin | enouf: outback is $5000 extrta for an extra 20mm ground clearance and half the fuel economy |
| 21:49.11 | enouf | ahh .. no matter |
| 21:49.27 | Guerin | this has high/low 4wd though, and is grunty as hell |
| 21:49.28 | ma3x | Guerin, get bmw |
| 21:49.37 | Guerin | ma3x: bmw is for posers |
| 21:49.38 | enouf | Guerin: sweet |
| 21:49.41 | xand | sounds very chelsea tractor |
| 21:49.44 | ma3x | what means posers? |
| 21:49.51 | Guerin | ma3x: show-offs |
| 21:49.52 | enouf | ma3x: huh? |
| 21:49.55 | concept10 | bmw == best cars made |
| 21:49.59 | ma3x | Guerin, and you're what? |
| 21:49.59 | xand | Guerin: and 4x4s aren't? |
| 21:50.05 | enouf | fake showoffs |
| 21:50.10 | ma3x | concept10, yeah! |
| 21:50.11 | bravo___ | themill: Yes |
| 21:50.14 | Guerin | xand: it's not a 4x4, it's a station wagon |
| 21:50.27 | xand | you said it had 4wd |
| 21:50.36 | ma3x | wtf is a station wagon? pickup?? |
| 21:50.38 | ma3x | van? |
| 21:50.42 | xand | ma3x: an estate |
| 21:50.45 | Guerin | it does ... but 4x4 implies mud-soaked offroader |
| 21:50.47 | themill | bravo___ custom kernel or stock kernel from Sarge? (2.4 or 2.6... which package) |
| 21:50.47 | concept10 | Guerin, what salesman tricked you into buying a wagon? |
| 21:50.54 | ma3x | xand shut up |
| 21:50.58 | Guerin | concept10: wagons are the best |
| 21:51.10 | xand | ma3x: don't be insolent... I was answering your question |
| 21:51.12 | Guerin | concept10: fit all your gear in, lay down the seats and sleep |
| 21:51.31 | enouf | ma3x: surf's up! |
| 21:51.37 | ma3x | xand, estate i understand only as in property |
| 21:51.49 | streuner | hm |
| 21:51.49 | xand | ma3x: go read wikipedia |
| 21:51.55 | concept10 | I would never sleep in my car unless I really, really had to |
| 21:51.58 | ma3x | enouf, your internet connection's up? |
| 21:52.12 | ma3x | concept10, if you dont have money for hotel, you're gonna have to |
| 21:52.14 | enouf | !be enouf barbie |
| 21:52.14 | dpkg | enouf is hard! |
| 21:52.15 | xand | !confuse ma3x |
| 21:52.15 | dpkg | No, those are our pants yesterday, ma3x? trousers of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 21:52.30 | xand | enouf: TMI |
| 21:52.39 | Guerin | concept10: i prefer to ... NZ is not wqell equipped with accomodation |
| 21:52.44 | streuner | WTF did you smoke today? |
| 21:52.51 | Guerin | unless you're on a package tour |
| 21:52.54 | xand | streuner: WHO? |
| 21:53.17 | streuner | good question :-) |
| 21:53.19 | concept10 | ma3x, i wouldnt hit the road if I didnt have hotel money. You can get robbed sleeping in your car |
| 21:53.20 | enouf | xand: apologies .. but telling ma3x to "/msg be enouf barbie" doesn't seem to have the same report .. ;-:P |
| 21:53.35 | Mark17 | is it possible to add 50 ips in a more easy way (to a server)? |
| 21:53.36 | xand | :P |
| 21:53.50 | xand | Mark17: more easy than what? |
| 21:53.51 | Guerin | Mark17: in what way? |
| 21:53.54 | ma3x | enouf, good that you figured it out |
| 21:54.08 | jelly-home | Mark17: have you taken a look at that paste? |
| 21:54.12 | Guerin | concept10: you can get robbed *anywhere*, don't let that rule your life |
| 21:54.16 | ma3x | concept10, you could get killed while in the bathroom in your hotel |
| 21:54.23 | ma3x | seen psycho? |
| 21:54.27 | nihraguk | i slept in my car every other day whilst driving from milan, italy to bristol, uk. |
| 21:54.32 | Mark17 | now i have to do it 1 by 1 |
| 21:54.44 | nihraguk | every other night, rather. |
| 21:54.48 | Mark17 | but it is possible (i hope) to do it faster and not 1 by 1 |
| 21:54.48 | jelly-home | Mark17: so write a script. |
| 21:54.50 | abrotman | Mark17: jelly-home told you how |
| 21:55.04 | xand | cars suck |
| 21:55.09 | ma3x | nihraguk, how long did it take you to get from italy - uk? |
| 21:55.13 | ma3x | xand, you suck |
| 21:55.22 | xand | ma3x: yes, yes I do |
| 21:55.57 | ma3x | go take a shower then |
| 21:55.57 | xand | huh? |
| 21:55.57 | nihraguk | ma3x: we were sorta in a hurry, so it took us about 8 days |
| 21:55.57 | Guerin | xand: they do. But until such time as public transport is not completely shit, they're what I need. Not for trivial shit like getting to work and going to the shops, but for visiting family, going fishing, etc. |
| 21:55.57 | nihraguk | ma3x: awesome experience, though |
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| 21:56.02 | ma3x | nihraguk, why didn't you take the plane? |
| 21:56.05 | Mark17 | i'll have a look to that (i did mis it) |
| 21:56.08 | xand | nihraguk: that's *quick*? |
| 21:56.09 | ma3x | easyjet |
| 21:56.11 | nihraguk | ma3x: because it was supposed to be a roadtrip |
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| 21:56.22 | xand | i took the train from calais to florence |
| 21:56.25 | Guerin | nihraguk: good trip? |
| 21:56.25 | ma3x | nihraguk, what landscape did you like? |
| 21:56.26 | xand | that took 2 or 3 days |
| 21:56.36 | Guerin | nihraguk: we had one planned from Korea to Skye |
| 21:56.37 | nihraguk | xand: well it was a decent speed in a smart car |
| 21:56.49 | ma3x | nihraguk, those little smart ? |
| 21:56.49 | nihraguk | Guerin: amazing. europe has an amazing countryside. |
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| 21:56.57 | nihraguk | ma3x: yeah, the 4 seater one |
| 21:57.03 | nihraguk | ma3x: very uncomfortable sleeping in it |
| 21:57.08 | Guerin | i'll get there one day |
| 21:57.12 | bravo___ | themill: oh man I don't know what to do, i'm confuse and bored my kernel is 2.4.27 now |
| 21:57.15 | nihraguk | ma3x: french countryside |
| 21:57.20 | nihraguk | farmlands and all that |
| 21:57.27 | ma3x | nihraguk, what was that channel called where you pass to uk via boat? |
| 21:57.33 | nihraguk | ma3x: uhh probably the english channel |
| 21:57.36 | Guerin | Mark17: the English Channel? |
| 21:57.39 | Guerin | meh |
| 21:57.42 | ma3x | the english channel? |
| 21:57.50 | nihraguk | we were actually gonna fly from amsterdam to bristol |
| 21:57.50 | xand | of course the french don't call it that ;) |
| 21:57.51 | ma3x | no decent name like the panama or something? |
| 21:57.54 | Mark17 | is there a way to only give the first and the last ip? |
| 21:57.57 | nihraguk | but once we reached ramsgate (ferry terminal), we figured why not |
| 21:57.59 | xand | it's just the channel to hem :) |
| 21:58.14 | ma3x | nah, there was some name |
| 21:58.18 | abrotman | Mark17: write a freaking script |
| 21:58.29 | abrotman | Mark17: if you don't know how to write a script .. ask |
| 21:58.59 | ma3x | abrotman, write one for me |
| 21:59.01 | xand | yeah, and abrotman will write it for you |
| 21:59.01 | Guerin | in #bash |
| 21:59.05 | abrotman | ma3x: up yours |
| 21:59.13 | ma3x | up mines |
| 21:59.17 | nihraguk | that's a really short script |
| 21:59.20 | ma3x | down with yours |
| 21:59.22 | xand | no, you go down mines. |
| 21:59.25 | rpc | what script? |
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| 21:59.39 | pipegeek | Back |
| 21:59.49 | Guerin | pipegeek: we care. |
| 21:59.50 | abrotman | thank god .. ma3x has been crying since you left |
| 21:59.56 | xand | haha |
| 22:00.04 | pipegeek | I'm *sorry* :^( I'll never leave again |
| 22:00.12 | ma3x | abrotman, do you sell bred? what a stupid name |
| 22:00.21 | abrotman | bread .. moron |
| 22:00.29 | Guerin | ma3x: and it's MUFFINS |
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| 22:00.35 | Guerin | !sing abrotman |
| 22:00.35 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 22:00.36 | pipegeek | sorry... wrote that in the wrong channel. There's a guy in #ubuntu waiting for help |
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| 22:00.42 | jelly-home | Guerin: so a genuine muffinman? |
| 22:00.53 | Guerin | well, he does live on Drury Lane |
| 22:00.57 | ma3x | abrotman, what ever, it's german |
| 22:00.57 | enouf | abrotman: wakefield threw a fastball finally .. to 1st base :-P |
| 22:00.58 | rpc | lmao @ dpkg |
| 22:01.02 | abrotman | there's a drury lane in philly |
| 22:01.06 | abrotman | ma3x: i'm not |
| 22:01.13 | ma3x | abrotman, your name is |
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| 22:01.22 | abrotman | ma3x: i am not |
| 22:01.29 | xand | not this argument again |
| 22:01.32 | ma3x | abrotman, maybe your grandpas |
| 22:01.34 | abrotman | no |
| 22:01.40 | abrotman | NOONE IN MY FAMILY WAS EVER GERMAN |
| 22:01.41 | enouf | xand: replay ;-0 |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | there.. happy ? |
| 22:01.48 | rahul | heh |
| 22:01.51 | rahul | damn bread man |
| 22:01.55 | ma3x | abrotman, maybe your mother had an affair with me |
| 22:02.02 | nihraguk | lol like a german heritage would affect the irc nick you choose |
| 22:02.06 | jelly-home | ma3x: dude, chill out |
| 22:02.08 | nihraguk | hm actually it might |
| 22:02.08 | nihraguk | nvm |
| 22:02.11 | enouf | abrotman: not even 10,000 years ago? |
| 22:02.13 | abrotman | ma3x: oh .. maybe .. |
| 22:02.22 | ma3x | abrotman, we dont know for sure |
| 22:02.41 | enouf | !aolify ma3x |
| 22:02.44 | abrotman | enouf: on my dad's side .. russian and lithuanian .. but my grandfather's last name in russia was yitzhawk or something |
| 22:02.59 | rpc | rofl @ dpkg again |
| 22:03.08 | enouf | abrotman: ahh .. you're from that dna fork .. cool |
| 22:03.11 | ma3x | abrotman, there were a lot of russians in germany |
| 22:03.17 | ma3x | still these days |
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| 22:03.27 | streuner | haha |
| 22:03.29 | abrotman | ma3x: i know you have severe brain damage .. but SHUT UP |
| 22:03.44 | themill | bravo___: sorry... can't really help you with 2.4 kernels. I know that 2.6 kernels and libncurses are fine under sarge, but haven't used 2.4 kernels for a very long time |
| 22:03.45 | nihraguk | lol |
| 22:04.25 | ma3x | abrotman, i know you like me |
| 22:04.25 | bravo___ | themill: ok man thanks for the attention |
| 22:04.35 | abrotman | i should write an 'abrotmansname' factoid :) |
| 22:04.48 | xand | !abrotman |
| 22:04.48 | dpkg | from memory, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 22:04.49 | enouf | feel free to edit wikipedia ;-P |
| 22:04.50 | themill | bravo___: try using aptitude and a dist-upgrade |
| 22:04.51 | streuner | omg |
| 22:04.53 | abrotman | xand: ah .. no |
| 22:04.54 | ma3x | no need to, we know the root's in germany |
| 22:05.01 | themill | bravo___: it's a bit smarter than apt-get on its own |
| 22:05.06 | rpc | !xand |
| 22:05.12 | abrotman | the name was given to my grandfather at ellis island |
| 22:05.16 | rpc | oh. |
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| 22:05.31 | ma3x | abrotman, wtf is that? |
| 22:05.37 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 22:05.39 | jelly-home | ma3x: google for it. |
| 22:05.40 | bravo___ | themill: yeah |
| 22:05.42 | enouf | streuner++ |
| 22:05.54 | enouf | that's just for being real the other day |
| 22:05.57 | rpc | ma3x what's your obsession with germany all about? |
| 22:05.57 | Guerin | incredible |
| 22:05.59 | ma3x | that was the ancient name for a city in germany |
| 22:06.03 | jelly-home | those clerks at ellis island sure didn't know how to spell |
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| 22:06.11 | Guerin | perhaps it's not only americans who don't know a damn thing about the rest of the world |
| 22:06.13 | ma3x | rpc, the stupid name brotman |
| 22:06.31 | rpc | ma3x what's your obsession with brotman all about then? |
| 22:06.38 | mzilikazi | 'ls' & 'mv' are bash builtins or?? |
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| 22:06.44 | enouf | no |
| 22:06.45 | xand | mzilikazi: no |
| 22:06.46 | ma3x | Guerin, ellis island, never heard of that |
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| 22:06.48 | lontra | what package supplies t-ja.gmo? |
| 22:06.50 | ma3x | really wtf is that? |
| 22:06.54 | ma3x | dubai I know |
| 22:06.55 | enouf | mzilikazi: man bash-builtins |
| 22:06.57 | ma3x | nice I know |
| 22:06.57 | lontra | i've tried apt-file search and can't seem to locate it |
| 22:06.58 | jelly-home | ma3x: GOOGLE IT. |
| 22:07.08 | abrotman | erm .. my great-grandfather .. sorry |
| 22:07.08 | ma3x | jelly-home, it's not famous |
| 22:07.14 | jelly-home | ma3x: it is. |
| 22:07.20 | rahul | ellis island isn't famous?? |
| 22:07.20 | xand | ask wikipedia |
| 22:07.22 | rahul | holy crap |
| 22:07.23 | xand | it knows everything |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | ma3x: very famous to those that know anything about history |
| 22:07.37 | ma3x | it isnt, where is it america? |
| 22:07.39 | rpc | this chan is really weird tonight |
| 22:07.41 | mzilikazi | well i can't find ls or mv in apt-cache search for example - from where do they come? |
| 22:07.44 | abrotman | ma3x: ASK GOOGLE |
| 22:07.46 | robin_sz | ugh .. skype has gone too :( |
| 22:07.47 | ma3x | right, NY |
| 22:07.57 | jelly-home | meh. plonked |
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| 22:08.05 | enouf | !find t-ja.gmo |
| 22:08.14 | ma3x | nj |
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| 22:08.18 | xand | mzilikazi: coreutils |
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| 22:08.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 't-ja.gmo' returned no results. |
| 22:08.24 | enouf | wtf is t-ja.gmo? |
| 22:08.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: how much do your charge for your hitman services ? |
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| 22:08.46 | lontra | enouf: ... this is basically the same error that i'm getting --> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/21907 |
| 22:08.54 | lontra | enouf: but with a newer alsa-utils |
| 22:09.08 | enouf | lontra: i don't care .. it doesn't exist in Debian ;-) |
| 22:09.12 | jelly-home | enouf: transgendered japanese genetically modified foodstuff? |
| 22:09.26 | enouf | jelly-home: sounds about correct ;-) |
| 22:09.32 | Guerin | jelly-home: as fair a guess as any |
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| 22:09.56 | mzilikazi | xand, thanks |
| 22:10.12 | enouf | !tell mzilikazi -about search |
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| 22:13.24 | runa_ | arno can sb help me enable proxy with ssh in anro-iptables-firewall? |
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| 22:18.00 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
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| 22:19.05 | FJ_Sanchez | I've a x86 Debian box. I want to install gentoo on my ppc laptop but I want compile on my x86 server, can someone help me? |
| 22:19.22 | FJ_Sanchez | I want to use something like distcc to crosscompile, but I've no idea... |
| 22:19.46 | xand | you want help with gentoo?! |
| 22:20.05 | HSorgYves | how to install sun java 6 under debian (java-package seems not to work)? |
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| 22:20.41 | rvsjoen | he wants help cross-compiling gentoo on debian |
| 22:20.54 | zaphands | Hello. My wacom tablet is used in X instead of the mouse. How can I use them together? |
| 22:20.56 | FJ_Sanchez | xand: it's hard, because it's a debian and gentoo related question... |
| 22:21.01 | rvsjoen | HSorgYves: get the .bin file from sun and run it |
| 22:21.24 | FJ_Sanchez | If I ask for help in #gentoo they say, go to #debian... if I ask here i can get the same... and no one helps me |
| 22:21.40 | HSorgYves | rvsjoen - which folder to run it in, ie does that matter? |
| 22:21.41 | ferret | zaphands: I would expect you need to change the mouse device in xorg.conf to /dev/input/mice |
| 22:21.53 | xand | FJ_Sanchez: ##linux? :) |
| 22:21.56 | enouf | i think you need the GNU toolchain and binutils |
| 22:22.07 | xand | oh, ferret |
| 22:22.20 | rvsjoen | HSorgYves: I think it will ask you where to install |
| 22:22.29 | ferret | xand: 'lo :) |
| 22:22.38 | xand | why hello there ;) |
| 22:22.38 | zaphands | ferret: Thanks. restarting X. |
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| 22:22.51 | rvsjoen | you can just put it anywhere suitable and set the JAVA_HOME env variable |
| 22:23.41 | enouf | FJ_Sanchez: ppc laptop? macintel? |
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| 22:24.01 | FJ_Sanchez | I said PowePC |
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| 22:24.05 | zaphands | Thanks ferret! it worked |
| 22:24.06 | FJ_Sanchez | It's a G4 |
| 22:24.22 | enouf | i know what you said .. however |
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| 22:24.51 | FJ_Sanchez | Sorry, sometimes my english is bad... |
| 22:24.59 | FJ_Sanchez | Most time I think |
| 22:25.07 | enouf | no worries, i say things all the time that are misubderstood ;-) |
| 22:25.11 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: Go figure: #debian isn't interested in helping you with a problem unrelated to debian. |
| 22:25.19 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: #gentoo is just clueless ;) |
| 22:25.37 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: I can't help you with gentoo at all, but in general, cross |
| 22:25.41 | HSorgYves | rvsjoen - it seems to unzip a folder named jre1.6.0_01 in . |
| 22:25.42 | enouf | FJ_Sanchez: your english is fine btw |
| 22:25.43 | ma3x | where do I change permanently the hostname? |
| 22:25.56 | HSorgYves | rvsjoen - which place would be appropriate? /usr/lib? |
| 22:25.58 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: -compiling is a pain in the ass. "crosstool" makes it easier to generate the toolchain you need, but the binaries output via cross-compilation aren't guaranteed to be workable. |
| 22:26.12 | FJ_Sanchez | Mmm |
| 22:26.12 | enouf | ma3x: man <you know what> |
| 22:26.15 | h3sp4wn | FJ_Sanchez: # |
| 22:26.30 | xand | ma3x: /etc/hostname, and update /etc/hosts |
| 22:26.32 | h3sp4wn | FJ_Sanchez: #gentoo-embedded is helpful about cross-compiling (very) |
| 22:26.32 | rvsjoen | HSorgYves: thats where I usually put it, or /usr/local/lib |
| 22:26.42 | FJ_Sanchez | thanks |
| 22:26.44 | ma3x | xand, I just did that |
| 22:26.49 | FJ_Sanchez | I'll ask there |
| 22:26.53 | HSorgYves | rvsjoen - and then change the link of /usr/bin/java ? |
| 22:27.08 | xand | ma3x: well then... run hostname to update it; /etc/hostname will be used next boot |
| 22:27.20 | ma3x | xand, must boot? |
| 22:27.28 | xand | ma3x: no |
| 22:27.36 | xand | run hostname <newhostname> |
| 22:27.37 | x_link | xand: Will that change the hostname totaly? sudo nano /etc/hostname |
| 22:27.41 | xand | to change it immediately |
| 22:27.51 | xand | and /etc/hostname so it persists. |
| 22:28.02 | rvsjoen | in debian you could use update-alternatives for that I believe, or just symlink it |
| 22:29.42 | x_link | How do I update/upgrade GRUB? |
| 22:29.48 | x_link | Is that with aptitude update, aptitude upgrade? |
| 22:30.01 | enouf | x_link: run update-grub |
| 22:30.04 | rvsjoen | run update-grub |
| 22:30.05 | x_link | Cause there is a command for LILO |
| 22:30.10 | x_link | enouf: Okej. |
| 22:30.10 | ma3x | xand, I prefer pico |
| 22:30.12 | x_link | rvsjoen: Thanks =) |
| 22:30.13 | enouf | x_link: oh .. wait |
| 22:30.17 | ma3x | don't use nano, pico's traditional |
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| 22:30.24 | xand | ma3x: to what? |
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| 22:30.26 | enouf | x_link: you mean the version? |
| 22:30.28 | x_link | ma3x: Why shouldn't I use nano? |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | there isn't even pico in debian |
| 22:30.34 | x_link | enouf: Well.. I don't know =) |
| 22:30.38 | ma3x | x_link, you dishonor the name of pico |
| 22:30.42 | abrotman | x_link: please ignore ma3x |
| 22:30.43 | xingu | oh, nice |
| 22:30.50 | x_link | abrotman: OKej =) |
| 22:30.55 | enouf | apt-get install grub .. apt-show-versions grub should tell you if it's upgradeablr |
| 22:30.55 | ma3x | muahaha |
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| 22:31.01 | x_link | I have always used nano, is that bad or what? |
| 22:31.04 | abrotman | it's fine |
| 22:31.10 | x_link | enouf: I already use GRUB my friend. |
| 22:31.12 | DawnLight | what's the x server channel? |
| 22:31.16 | x_link | abrotman: Alright, then I will continue =) |
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| 22:31.21 | abrotman | #xorg |
| 22:31.22 | enouf | x_link: nano is fine |
| 22:31.42 | xingu | schroot knows how to lie about utsname->machine() |
| 22:32.02 | enouf | x_link: just make sure you don't accidentally save the file as Mac-format, or DOS-format |
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| 22:32.06 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo apt-show-versions-grub |
| 22:32.06 | x_link | sudo: apt-show-versions-grub: command not found |
| 22:32.17 | HSorgYves | rvsjoen: thx |
| 22:32.17 | enouf | bah .. moment |
| 22:32.22 | x_link | Guess that command isn't working. |
| 22:32.23 | rvsjoen | x_link: loose the last "-" |
| 22:32.31 | x_link | rvsjoen: Alright |
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| 22:32.55 | enouf | x_link: that's correct apt-show-versions ... hrm |
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| 22:33.02 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo apt-show-versions grub |
| 22:33.02 | x_link | sudo: apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 22:33.09 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: does alpine include pico ? (its in testing and unstable now) |
| 22:33.16 | h3sp4wn | or a version of pico |
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| 22:33.22 | stoned | x_link: hi |
| 22:33.25 | enouf | $ apt-show-versions grub |
| 22:33.25 | enouf | grub/sid upgradeable from 0.97-12 to 0.97-27 |
| 22:33.28 | x_link | stoned: Hi mate =) |
| 22:33.29 | abrotman | !find pico lenny |
| 22:33.33 | runa_ | hi how can i recover data ? |
| 22:33.39 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i think nano has a pico mode anyways |
| 22:33.48 | rvsjoen | "apt-get install apt-show-versions" first then :) |
| 22:33.52 | OwlEye | dpkg, test |
| 22:33.52 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:33.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pico' (8 of 43): (/usr/bin/piconv) in perl/perl ;; (/usr/bin/picocom) in comm/picocom ;; (/usr/bin/japicompat) in devel/japitools ;; (/usr/lib/enca/extconv/piconv) in text/enca ;; (/usr/bin/rapiconfig) in utils/librapi2-tools ;; (/usr/share/pypanel/ppicon.png) in x11/pypanel ;; (/usr/share/doc/htp/pic/htpicon.png) in web/htp ;; (/usr/share/pixmaps/gripicon.png) in gnome/grip. |
| 22:33.59 | x_link | enouf: It doesn't show for me |
| 22:34.06 | stoned | x_link: you have which debian version? |
| 22:34.12 | x_link | enouf: I use Debian Testing. |
| 22:34.16 | enouf | install it or something x_link ;-) |
| 22:34.19 | x_link | stoned: I use Debian Testing. |
| 22:34.22 | enouf | moment x_link |
| 22:34.26 | x_link | enouf: I use GRUB. |
| 22:34.26 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I think its better anyway - alpine is a free pine though (and pico was part of pine wasn't it ?) |
| 22:34.38 | x_link | I'm totaly sure of it =) |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | yes .. pico and pine are roughly the same |
| 22:34.48 | h3sp4wn | !info alpine lenny |
| 22:34.50 | dpkg | alpine: (Text-based email client, friendly for novices but powerful), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.83+dfsg-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 2683 kB, Installed size: 5852 kB |
| 22:34.57 | abrotman | use elmo! |
| 22:35.01 | enouf | x_link: apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 22:35.07 | x_link | ok |
| 22:35.20 | x_link | enouf: Can I do aptitude install aptitude-show-versions? |
| 22:35.24 | enouf | sure |
| 22:35.28 | x_link | I prefer to use "aptitude" |
| 22:35.29 | x_link | ok |
| 22:35.32 | enouf | erm.. what? |
| 22:35.39 | stoned | x_link: the packages were built on sid. I will have to backport a few libs the game depends on to testing, and recompile the packages in testing. I actually don't have a testin box, only sid and stable. |
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| 22:35.47 | enouf | x_link: aptitude install apt-show-versions |
| 22:35.53 | x_link | stoned: Okej. |
| 22:36.11 | x_link | stoned: Thanks alot anyway. =) |
| 22:36.11 | stoned | x_link: why don't you run stable? |
| 22:36.59 | enouf | x_link: aptitude may have it's own show-versions thingy |
| 22:36.59 | fsteves | What package allows me to have squashfs support for mount -t squashfs |
| 22:36.59 | enouf | I use apt |
| 22:36.59 | x_link | enouf: I meant that =) |
| 22:36.59 | fsteves | i got the squashfs tools package |
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| 22:37.00 | fsteves | that didnt do it |
| 22:37.00 | stoned | x_link: if you are willing to install sid you can find the SMC packages on my webserver at http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc |
| 22:37.00 | enouf | fsteves: try eggplant |
| 22:37.00 | h3sp4wn | fsteves: You need the kernel module |
| 22:37.04 | x_link | stoned: Cause I heard that Testing has newer versions of programs. |
| 22:37.05 | stoned | x_link: if you perfer I fully make it stable then you'll have to wait |
| 22:37.28 | x_link | stoned: I think I will stick to Debian Testing =) |
| 22:37.32 | h3sp4wn | fsteves: m-a a-i squashfs |
| 22:37.39 | enouf | fsteves: my bad .. missed you initial question .. apologies |
| 22:37.51 | x_link | enouf: Now it worked =) |
| 22:37.53 | x_link | grub/testing uptodate 0.97-27 |
| 22:37.58 | stoned | x_link: I run stable and I backport the newer software |
| 22:38.03 | stoned | x_link: you should do the same |
| 22:38.05 | nvz | squashfs.. heh that sounds real good.. like I want my data squashed |
| 22:38.28 | enouf | x_link: then you have the latest version available for you release .. |
| 22:38.43 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 22:38.59 | h3sp4wn | fsteves: (m-a is from the module-assistant package in case you are not sure) |
| 22:39.13 | stoned | x_link: I'm actually eating dinner atm... if you give me an hour or two I could probably get you the packages compiled on stable.. I can't guarantee that they will work on testing... but like I said, I only have unstable and stable machines |
| 22:39.16 | x_link | stoned: I don't even know what backport is. |
| 22:39.18 | enouf | nvz: i think knoppix has used it for a while |
| 22:39.39 | nvz | enouf: yeah well like I wanna use knoppix either.. heh |
| 22:39.45 | stoned | x_link: and either way.. firstly packages will only appear in unstable until they have been tested and are found stable enough for testing or stable |
| 22:39.45 | x_link | stoned: I'm not as great as you are on GNU/Linux, so I don't know how to do all those things. |
| 22:39.48 | h3sp4wn | enouf: knoppix is cloop I think |
| 22:39.52 | enouf | x_link: to learn /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:39.57 | stoned | x_link: I'm not great :) |
| 22:39.59 | stoned | but thank you |
| 22:40.01 | h3sp4wn | enouf: kanotix / grml use it |
| 22:40.03 | enouf | h3sp4wn: and unionFS now |
| 22:40.13 | x_link | stoned: For me you're great. |
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| 22:40.30 | x_link | Everybody here is really good with Linux if you ask me. |
| 22:40.42 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i thought squashfs was used as a standin for cpio, or cramfs |
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| 22:41.09 | nvz | enouf: thats like when Jerry Seinfield was joking about the names of surgical proceedures.. why yes Mr Smith, I think we need to perform a cueballectamy on you because you've reached the stage we refer to ask skinheddia |
| 22:41.10 | h3sp4wn | enouf: It can be |
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| 22:41.25 | x_link | I use Testing right now, if I changed my sources.list from "testing" to "unstable", would it get unstable then? |
| 22:41.29 | x_link | Or it's not done like that? |
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| 22:41.35 | enouf | nvz: hehe |
| 22:41.39 | Enverex | Looks like the UK Debian mirror is dying :/ Is there any way to reselect a mirror after it's started net-installing Debian? |
| 22:41.49 | dondelelcaro | x_link: yes, you would, but you're probably better off staying with testing |
| 22:41.57 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i see .. |
| 22:42.00 | x_link | dondelelcaro: I know, I was just wondering. =) |
| 22:42.03 | pipeline | enverex: if you're in expert mode, you can interrupt it and just go back. |
| 22:42.08 | x_link | dondelelcaro: Does unstable crash/freeze alot or? |
| 22:42.16 | pipeline | x_link: oh, sometimes |
| 22:42.20 | x_link | OKey. |
| 22:42.21 | enouf | x_link: it surely can |
| 22:42.22 | abrotman | x_link: thinks break badly sometimes |
| 22:42.23 | dondelelcaro | x_link: generally not, but things can break in quite inventive ways |
| 22:42.23 | pipeline | x_link: it's like using fedora |
| 22:42.30 | Enverex | pipeline, How'd I interupt it? (don't want to press the wrong thing and kill it entirely) |
| 22:42.41 | x_link | pipeline: I never used Fedora =). |
| 22:42.41 | h3sp4wn | enouf: using squashfs for the image and loading to ram makes them feel very fast |
| 22:42.41 | pipeline | Enverex: switch to a terminal and use 'kill' |
| 22:43.02 | x_link | Does Debian have older versions of all applications? |
| 22:43.03 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, is it posible to change /etc/hostname with the dhcp hostname? |
| 22:43.08 | Enverex | What mirror do people recommend for UK or Europe btw? |
| 22:43.10 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: I don't think so. |
| 22:43.14 | x_link | I really LOVE Debian, it's not that. Just wondering. |
| 22:43.17 | enouf | h3sp4wn: right .. .. ok |
| 22:43.23 | pipeline | Enverex: Doesn't heanet.ie have a debian mirror? |
| 22:43.27 | dondelelcaro | x_link: we have them available on s.d.n, but in unstable most of them are up to date |
| 22:43.29 | xand | Enverex: there's more than one |
| 22:43.38 | FJ_Sanchez | I was trying it 3 days ago and I couldn't |
| 22:43.41 | x_link | Cause I hear that "all" distros has new versions of things etc. and not Debian. |
| 22:43.43 | x_link | So why is tht? |
| 22:43.44 | FJ_Sanchez | So I ask for this |
| 22:43.45 | dondelelcaro | (the few cases where there they are not are that way for a specific purpose) |
| 22:43.46 | xand | i use mirrorservice.org... there's uk.debian.org |
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| 22:43.56 | x_link | dondelelcaro: s.d.n? |
| 22:44.02 | Enverex | xand, I know, but the last 2 I tried were missing quite a few files which broke the installer quite badly, heh |
| 22:44.04 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg reference .. /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:44.04 | dondelelcaro | !sdn |
| 22:44.04 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:44.05 | pipeline | FJ_Sanchez: add a script that runs after networking to overwrite /etc/hostname with the output of the hostname command :P |
| 22:44.10 | x_link | enouf: Okej. |
| 22:44.25 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg why debain |
| 22:44.28 | Enverex | pipeline, kill would kill the entire installer though wouldn't it? |
| 22:44.29 | enouf | bah |
| 22:44.32 | x_link | enouf: Thanks ;D |
| 22:44.32 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 22:44.36 | x_link | Packages from 2002? hehe |
| 22:44.48 | FJ_Sanchez | Actually I'm doing it in another stage of the process, but it's a good solution |
| 22:45.02 | pipeline | Enverex: No, and I don't really want to explain things. Better to just restart your installation, perhaps. |
| 22:45.10 | nvz | x_link: first of all if all distros had it debian would too, and secondly debian's priorities arent to stay on the bleeding edge but to provide within debian's definitions a free, stable, and widely portable release |
| 22:45.40 | x_link | nvz: Okej. |
| 22:45.47 | nvz | x_link: our idea is that if you dont change a stable release by adding new trivial software then you don't have to worry about it becomming unstable again |
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| 22:46.00 | Enverex | pipeline, erm.. ok, thanks I guess... |
| 22:46.05 | enouf | !dfsg |
| 22:46.05 | dpkg | it has been said that dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 22:46.47 | nvz | x_link: then people ask why isnt unstable bleeding edge then.. and thats because even in our most recent branches we are still trying to press off another free stable and portable release so we have to keep those goals in mind at all times |
| 22:47.01 | enouf | x_link: don't be a reading barbie@!$ apt-show-versions grub |
| 22:47.01 | enouf | grub/sid upgradeable from 0.97-12 to 0.97-27 |
| 22:47.10 | enouf | whoops |
| 22:47.20 | nvz | x_link: if you want cutting edge you can either deal with the hassles of compiling new upstream code on debian, or you can use a distro with priorities that better suit you |
| 22:47.38 | h3sp4wn | x_link: only arch -current and fedora rawhide is more upto date than debian unstable (that is binary) and they break much more frequently |
| 22:47.42 | x_link | nvz: I didn't mean it like that. |
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| 22:47.47 | RA3OR | wooie |
| 22:47.50 | RA3OR | hi |
| 22:48.02 | x_link | nvz: I like Debian alot... |
| 22:48.09 | RA3OR | who is willing to help this nub ? |
| 22:48.15 | abrotman | RA3OR: please just ask |
| 22:48.23 | x_link | RA3OR: Ask your question then you might get some help. |
| 22:48.31 | RA3OR | i have a clean 4.0 etch installed |
| 22:48.39 | enouf | then stop whining, and asking foolish questions ;-) .. and RTFM ;-) |
| 22:48.53 | x_link | enouf: Who was that for? |
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| 22:48.58 | RA3OR | ok: my apache 1.3 asks me to save .php files, aka no php support |
| 22:49.03 | enouf | x_link: take 1 guess ;-) |
| 22:49.03 | stoned | x_link: obviously not you |
| 22:49.07 | nvz | x_link: me too but I realize a lot of the same things about debian.. but to me the freedom, stability, and amazing community of people is worth every bit of the cons to using it |
| 22:49.29 | stoned | nvz: there are cons to using debian? |
| 22:49.34 | abrotman | RA3OR: do you want php4 or 5? |
| 22:49.42 | RA3OR | i want xampp |
| 22:49.44 | RA3OR | :D |
| 22:49.50 | abrotman | RA3OR: do you want php4 or 5? |
| 22:49.53 | x_link | nvz: Okej. |
| 22:49.53 | RA3OR | i want to delete apache and apache2 |
| 22:49.53 | jelly-home | stoned: no commercial hw support, for example |
| 22:49.54 | enouf | x_link: i recall about 2 months ago, you asked me explicitly how you could learn more .. and i pointed you in the direction, with many factoids,.. i guess you blew them off |
| 22:50.14 | x_link | enouf: I have this swedish Linux books that I read for the moment. |
| 22:50.18 | RA3OR | now apache (apache 1.3) runs on reboot, i want it off |
| 22:50.27 | x_link | enouf: I have a hard time learning, to insecure. |
| 22:50.27 | nvz | stoned: heh, surprisingly enough yeah. every distro has different priorities.. not that you cant do the same things with any one of them.. its just the community as a whole is running in different directions with each distro and you have support for ricing in gentoo for example.. |
| 22:50.28 | stoned | jelly-home: thats a debian problem or a linux problem? |
| 22:50.31 | abrotman | RA3OR: okay .. when you figure out which php you want .. choose between libapache-mod-php4 or libapache-mod-php5 .. and then install it |
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| 22:50.37 | enouf | x_link: the "information" is freely availble .. avail yourself ;-) |
| 22:50.38 | jelly-home | stoned: definitly debian. |
| 22:50.42 | stoned | jelly-home: how so? |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | !tell RA3OR about update-rc.d |
| 22:50.52 | stoned | jelly-home: are we responsible for making the hardware work? |
| 22:51.05 | enouf | !tell RA3OR -about sysv-rc-conf |
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| 22:51.24 | RA3OR | no more !tell |
| 22:51.24 | Enverex | I think I tried the mirrorservice mirror before and it was missing most files :/ |
| 22:51.35 | enouf | ok .. we spank instead ;-) |
| 22:51.43 | jelly-home | stoned: making it work is not an issue, but having commercial support (and an SLA) is |
| 22:51.45 | stoned | enouf: yeh you spank it |
| 22:51.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:51.55 | RA3OR | abrotman: i want php5, but not on apache 1.3, which now RUNS |
| 22:51.57 | stoned | jelly-home: I suppose I can agree with that |
| 22:52.06 | abrotman | RA3OR: so you want apache2 ? |
| 22:52.08 | enouf | stoned: .. doing the phatty man .. i'm so z-o-n-e-d |
| 22:52.19 | stoned | enouf: I don't smoke weed. I stopped. |
| 22:52.32 | RA3OR | abrotman: did apt-get install phpsysinfo |
| 22:52.35 | x_link | enouf: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:52.41 | jelly-home | stoned: so what DO you smoke now :-_ |
| 22:52.41 | enouf | Nyle: sounds like a personal problem |
| 22:52.42 | RA3OR | and it also installed apache |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | RA3OR: do you want apache2? |
| 22:52.55 | Nyle | enouf: w/e man. |
| 22:53.04 | enouf | x_link: a not-upgraded sid .. why? |
| 22:53.06 | RA3OR | abrotman: yes, with php5 |
| 22:53.08 | abrotman | gah .. i have to put him on ignore too! |
| 22:53.09 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I would say the stable kernel not getting updated hardware support (like RHEL does) is also a slight negative |
| 22:53.20 | RA3OR | abrotman: i'd preffer installing lampp |
| 22:53.20 | Nyle | yeh and advertise that you are ignoring too |
| 22:53.24 | x_link | enouf: Just wondering... |
| 22:53.29 | muhoo | is there any way to compile a program with -m32 on a 64-bit system, and still make gcc link with 64-bit libraries? |
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| 22:53.49 | abrotman | RA3OR: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server-5.0 php5-mysql |
| 22:54.03 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I don't have an issue with that, buy supported hardware :-) |
| 22:54.12 | abrotman | RA3OR: thouhg i'm not sure if your second 'p' is perl or python |
| 22:54.13 | RA3OR | hey, aptitude does not have cow supepowers |
| 22:54.22 | RA3OR | or so it sayd earlier ^^ |
| 22:54.24 | abrotman | RA3OR: aptitude -v moo |
| 22:54.26 | abrotman | RA3OR: aptitude -vv moo |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | RA3OR: aptitude -vvv moo |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | etch ... |
| 22:54.31 | RA3OR | moo |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | etc ... |
| 22:54.32 | enouf | ok folks ... f00d! |
| 22:54.37 | jelly-home | abrotman: spoilsport |
| 22:54.39 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: Not so easy when its close to the end of the release |
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| 22:55.16 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: anyway, we also run RHEL where we have to, and custom kernels on debian machines |
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| 22:56.00 | RA3OR | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:56.00 | RA3OR | php4: Depends: libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 6:4.4.4-8+etch2) but it is not installable or |
| 22:56.02 | x_link | Just one more question. |
| 22:56.09 | abrotman | RA3OR: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server-5.0 php5-mysql |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | i didn't say anything about php4 |
| 22:56.23 | RA3OR | Need to get 40.3MB of archives. After unpacking 100MB will be used. |
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| 22:56.38 | x_link | I use an AMD Athlon 64 x2 3800+ CPU, should I installed Debian amd64 or should I stick with 32bit? |
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| 22:56.44 | RA3OR | debian:~# aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server-5.0 php5-mysql |
| 22:56.49 | RA3OR | i didnt write php4 |
| 22:56.56 | RA3OR | it sayd its a dependency |
| 22:56.57 | abrotman | RA3OR: paste your sources somewhere |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 22:56.59 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 22:57.04 | RA3OR | my what/ |
| 22:57.14 | RA3OR | its 4.0 etch |
| 22:57.17 | abrotman | your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:57.20 | RA3OR | netinstall cd |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | i want to see that file |
| 22:57.22 | turffy | x_link: use Debian amd64 |
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| 22:57.27 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I don't mind running a custom kernel if I need to - but I don't think for standard server hardware it should be necessary to use an unofficial installer |
| 22:57.30 | ibr | Hello |
| 22:57.38 | jelly-home | x_link: depends on what do you want to use it for. If you want games in wine, or using flash easily, go with i386 |
| 22:57.59 | Enverex | Wine works fine on amd64 |
| 22:58.13 | x_link | jelly-home: I don't use wine, I have flash installed yes. |
| 22:58.22 | turffy | jelly-home: can debian 32 be installed in a 64 bit processor? |
| 22:58.26 | abrotman | RA3OR: or roughly .. guarantee that "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" is in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:58.30 | x_link | But will I notice any performance changes or? |
| 22:58.35 | jelly-home | turffy: x86-64? sure |
| 22:58.46 | RA3OR | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 22:59.00 | RA3OR | is as 2nd rep |
| 22:59.12 | RA3OR | 1st is lug.ro |
| 22:59.12 | RA3OR | romanian mirror |
| 22:59.13 | abrotman | no .. not the deb-src line .. just the one i just pasted |
| 22:59.13 | jelly-home | turffy: I have the 32bit one on an Athlon 64 X2 at work |
| 22:59.20 | abrotman | the EXACT one |
| 22:59.23 | RA3OR | its the same |
| 22:59.28 | RA3OR | 2 mirrors |
| 22:59.37 | RA3OR | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | RA3OR: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:59.49 | RA3OR | there is no "non-free" |
| 22:59.50 | abrotman | RA3OR: run aptitude update and try the command i gave you again |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | you don't need it |
| 22:59.58 | turffy | jelly-home: mm. but when I try ti install using Debian 32 it wont install but but let me try it again |
| 23:00.21 | RA3OR | i commented the cd-rom because it will be a box somewhere |
| 23:00.26 | abrotman | that's fine |
| 23:00.30 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: agreed, I suppose that's why eg. HP rolled their own sarge installer with hw support |
| 23:01.16 | jelly-home | turffy: I guess the first thing to do would be to read the release notes and see if you have a known issue. |
| 23:02.08 | RA3OR | http://paste.prco23.org/5663 |
| 23:02.12 | RA3OR | abrotman: http://paste.prco23.org/5663 |
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| 23:02.31 | RA3OR | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 23:02.31 | RA3OR | php4 |
| 23:02.35 | RA3OR | hmm |
| 23:02.54 | abrotman | !info libapache-mod-php4 etch |
| 23:02.59 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section net, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1557 kB, Installed size: 3132 kB |
| 23:03.11 | Nyle | ahh sweet |
| 23:03.15 | Nyle | that fuckhead is ignored finally |
| 23:03.17 | Nyle | damn irssi |
| 23:03.17 | RA3OR | i did apt-get install phpsysinfo |
| 23:03.19 | RA3OR | ... |
| 23:03.32 | Nyle | what a cunt |
| 23:03.35 | RA3OR | on install i didnt check any daemons |
| 23:03.36 | Nyle | anyway.. off to package maing |
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| 23:04.16 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: if you dislike someone intensely, please keep it to yourself |
| 23:04.36 | RA3OR | also, did the install with /home /usr /tmp and so on, each on its own partition |
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| 23:04.52 | abrotman | RA3OR: say "Y" |
| 23:04.53 | RA3OR | so, when installing xammp on /opt --- no space :"> |
| 23:04.54 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I did not say any nicknames |
| 23:05.01 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I'll keep this in mind. Thank you |
| 23:05.25 | ruben | Hi, why using tar xvfzp foo.tar.gz I have a strange 'uid' using ls -ld? sometimes I have 'user uid' as perms of files, tar does not work on debian? |
| 23:05.25 | RA3OR | Get:5 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libapache-mod-php4 6:4.4.4-8+etch2 [1595kB] |
| 23:05.25 | RA3OR | Get:6 http://ftp.lug.ro etch/main libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 [1791kB] |
| 23:05.28 | RA3OR | haha, pwn3d |
| 23:05.33 | RA3OR | lug doesnt have it |
| 23:05.39 | dondelelcaro | RA3OR: stop pasting stuff here, please. |
| 23:05.41 | ibr | I have a pool with packages for etch and sid, and I want to generate separate Packages for them. How do I dpkg-scanpackages them so that the etch version goes to etch, and the sid one -- to sid? |
| 23:05.53 | RA3OR | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:06.13 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: you might want to look at yesterdays logs and tell the same thing to the other person. Rules and policies should apply to everyone and not just me. |
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| 23:06.36 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: however I do apologize. |
| 23:06.39 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: when I see things, I take action. I attempt to apply rules evently |
| 23:07.28 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: just bear in mind one cannot clap with one hand. Anyway.. no problems here. ;) |
| 23:08.01 | xand | dondelelcaro has strict bots that mute the channel for no reason ;) |
| 23:08.01 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: you actually can; take it as an exercise to the reader |
| 23:08.02 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: is there an easy way to somehow pull the dependencies off the configure script in the source of a program |
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| 23:08.09 | Setzer` | Hello |
| 23:08.20 | RA3OR | abrotman: now what? same, asks to save .php |
| 23:08.23 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: not off of the configure script, but you can use auto-apt to figure it out |
| 23:08.30 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:08.34 | abrotman | RA3OR: clear your browser cache and restart your browser |
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| 23:09.04 | ruben | any idea about tar xvfzp file.tar.gz it has an 'strange' perms in debian? |
| 23:09.15 | abrotman | strnage ? |
| 23:09.17 | RA3OR | abrotman: thats not it |
| 23:09.21 | abrotman | like my spelling |
| 23:09.25 | abrotman | RA3OR: it's not ? |
| 23:09.34 | ruben | abrotman: tar -p flag does not work |
| 23:09.35 | RA3OR | abrotman: apache 1.3 is still running |
| 23:09.42 | RA3OR | rm -r apache ? |
| 23:09.43 | RA3OR | :D |
| 23:09.48 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: there is also a LD_PRELOAD library which will tell you which files are touched during a build process to set up Build-Depends if that's what you were asking about |
| 23:09.57 | dondelelcaro | (but that assumes that you've already got the build depndencies installed) |
| 23:10.01 | jelly-home | RA3OR: didn't you uninstall it? |
| 23:10.11 | ruben | abrotman: wget http://file.tar.gz, as user root tar xvfzp file.tar.gz but the file has my user perms!! not root, why? |
| 23:10.15 | RA3OR | jelly-home: NO |
| 23:10.24 | dondelelcaro | ruben: all the p does is preserve permissions, not the uid |
| 23:10.36 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: well I've been having to manually specify the depends in the control file (not build depends) |
| 23:10.43 | Nyle | Build-depeds* |
| 23:10.51 | ruben | dondelelcaro: the, what is the way to get the uid from root and not user? |
| 23:10.53 | dondelelcaro | ruben: use --same-owner if you want |
| 23:10.58 | ruben | thanks |
| 23:11.02 | RA3OR | abrotman: i want apache 1.3 off and deleted / how ? |
| 23:11.03 | dondelelcaro | ruben: or -o if you want it to be owned by root |
| 23:11.11 | ruben | thank you :) |
| 23:11.14 | dondelelcaro | ruben: it's all explained in the tar manual |
| 23:11.17 | RA3OR | abrotman: also, php4 |
| 23:11.35 | ruben | abrotman: so, does not use is a feature then? |
| 23:11.35 | RA3OR | but no startup errors |
| 23:11.36 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: for libraries? or binaries? |
| 23:11.40 | jelly-home | RA3OR: aptitude purge php4-common apache-common |
| 23:11.40 | ruben | does not use root |
| 23:11.44 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: libraries |
| 23:12.15 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: if you're talking about libraries, then you're not specifying a ${shlib:Depends}; man dh_slibdep and man dpkg-shlibdeps |
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| 23:12.28 | RA3OR | got a warning |
| 23:12.31 | Nyle | ok |
| 23:13.11 | RA3OR | jelly-home: got a /etc/php4 not empty warn, so shall i del manually ? |
| 23:13.11 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: there is another question I have.. if Xerces under apache 2.0 is acceptable in debian, and the game I am trying to package uses gpl2.0 and uses xerces, how is it not compatable with dfsg? |
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| 23:13.17 | abrotman | no .. just leave it |
| 23:13.39 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I've researched it a bit, and I understand that gpl2.0 and apache 2.0 lisences are not compatible, but how is it in debian then? |
| 23:13.41 | jelly-home | RA3OR: it doesn't matter at present |
| 23:13.47 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: I can't seem to be able to figure this out |
| 23:13.57 | RA3OR | has php.ini for apache1 and apache2 in it, so ill leave it |
| 23:14.10 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's like that in debian too. |
| 23:14.47 | jelly-home | Nyle: that's why debian doesn't ship GPLed apache modules like mod-security |
| 23:14.57 | Nyle | ahh hmm |
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| 23:15.31 | RA3OR | jelly-home: no apache running, mysql seems to run |
| 23:15.43 | RA3OR | with logger |
| 23:15.44 | jelly-home | RA3OR: so, install apache2 now |
| 23:16.00 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: they don't link to eachother, so it's ok |
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| 23:16.03 | FJ_Sanchez | bye bye |
| 23:16.07 | RA3OR | aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql |
| 23:16.09 | RA3OR | ? |
| 23:16.10 | ibr | dpkg-scanpackages, anyone? |
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| 23:16.18 | abrotman | RA3OR: add php5 to the list |
| 23:16.20 | RA3OR | soz |
| 23:16.29 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: ohhhhh I get it |
| 23:16.31 | jelly-home | RA3OR: and apache2 if it's not already there |
| 23:16.38 | RA3OR | :) |
| 23:16.38 | Enverex | Are the UK Debian mirrors having issues? |
| 23:16.44 | abrotman | there's more than one |
| 23:16.46 | RA3OR | better paste me the whole line |
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| 23:17.50 | Enverex | abrotman, Was that to me? |
| 23:18.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:18.39 | Enverex | abrotman, I've tried them all, so I think the issue is my end |
| 23:18.54 | abrotman | then why'd you ask if they're having issues? |
| 23:20.10 | jelly-home | RA3OR: aptitude install [... all the stuff already mentioned ...] :-) |
| 23:20.57 | RA3OR | did that |
| 23:21.00 | RA3OR | rebooted the box |
| 23:21.03 | RA3OR | still no apache |
| 23:21.04 | RA3OR | =. |
| 23:21.15 | jelly-home | RA3OR: and apache2 too? |
| 23:21.58 | RA3OR | shttp://paste.prco23.org/5664 |
| 23:22.09 | enouf | beauty |
| 23:22.46 | RA3OR | http://paste.prco23.org/5664 |
| 23:22.47 | jelly-home | RA3OR: what happens when you do "invoke-rc.d apache2 start" ? |
| 23:22.48 | RA3OR | soz |
| 23:23.14 | RA3OR | nothing |
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| 23:24.07 | RA3OR | locate apache prints error |
| 23:24.15 | CaspeR-Bz | hello! I have a Chicony DC 5110 webcam and I don`t know how to install it :(( who can help me ? |
| 23:24.17 | abrotman | run updatedb |
| 23:24.22 | enouf | uname -r, and cat /proc/version time |
| 23:25.08 | RA3OR | ok, now it spams the console |
| 23:25.22 | enouf | pr0n? w00h00 |
| 23:25.51 | jelly-home | RA3OR: what about "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" ? |
| 23:25.53 | RA3OR | invoke-rc.d apache2 start returns the prompt and no webserver |
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| 23:26.08 | RA3OR | same |
| 23:26.16 | RA3OR | returns the prompt and no webserver |
| 23:26.19 | jelly-home | weird |
| 23:26.35 | abrotman | aptitude install apache2.2-common apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 23:26.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: no need to do that manually |
| 23:26.52 | robin_sz | anything in /var/log/apache/error.log? |
| 23:26.58 | chuck | Hi, are there any iBook users here? |
| 23:27.03 | CaspeR-Bz | please .. can anyone help me ? :(( |
| 23:27.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: is it installed? dpkg -l apache* |
| 23:27.11 | chuck | I was wondering if there was a way to fix the iBook Trackpad in linux. |
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| 23:27.54 | RA3OR | ok, did that |
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| 23:29.04 | jelly-home | RA3OR: pastebin what abrotman said ^ and also: contents of "/etc/default/apache2", and the output of "sh -ex /etc/init.d/apache2" |
| 23:29.39 | jelly-home | RA3OR: sorry, the last command should be sh -ex /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 23:29.45 | RA3OR | [abrotman] run updatedb, did that, apache exists, locate spams console .. |
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| 23:30.40 | RA3OR | ... /etc/default/apache2 has dont start on boot = 1 |
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| 23:30.59 | RA3OR | changed it to 0 |
| 23:31.40 | jelly-home | that might have been it |
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| 23:32.00 | xDCDx | hello |
| 23:32.03 | xDCDx | is there a way to stop ssh from adding host keys to the known_host file? I checked on man ssh_confing and could not find anything. with 'StrictHostKeyChecking no', it continues adding them |
| 23:32.12 | RA3OR | http://paste.prco23.org/5665 |
| 23:32.40 | jelly-home | RA3OR: so is it running now? |
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| 23:33.15 | RA3OR | yep, ps ax says apache -k start several times |
| 23:33.25 | RA3OR | it works |
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| 23:33.38 | RA3OR | what was the problem ? |
| 23:33.41 | Tenkawa | is php5 still broke in unstable or is it just my box? |
| 23:33.57 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I hope it's "apache2" "apache" |
| 23:34.02 | jelly-home | not* |
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| 23:34.41 | RA3OR | 2269 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 23:34.43 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I _think_ it should have asked you on installation whether you want to run it at boot or not. |
| 23:35.04 | RA3OR | what instalation? it didnt ask such thing |
| 23:35.20 | RA3OR | edited /etc/default/apache2 and placed 0 like 1 min ago |
| 23:35.56 | RA3OR | i have debian installed on multiple partitions |
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| 23:36.32 | jelly-home | RA3OR: I haven't done a clean install recently so I don't really know |
| 23:36.36 | CazH | I got a bit of a problem with a OLD laptop, a HP Omnibook 2000 (p1 133mhz) i'm trying to install debian on it. I have succesfully boot d-i from floppies (since it dosn't support booting from cd) I have attached 2 pcmia 10/100 network cards and hooked them up to the local network, I have put a debian etch install cd in the cdrom drive. loaded all the drivers from floppy, both NICs is found and so is the cd-rom. But it cant load the installer comp |
| 23:36.36 | CazH | onents from the cd and I can't get a working network connection with eighter the NICs no matter if I used DHCP(dosn't find my dhcp server) or set up the NICs manaully... Any tips on what the hell is up with this laptop? |
| 23:36.48 | RA3OR | too dumb to note which goes where, can anyone point me to a link with the partitions (where /tmp. /usr and so on goes and what partition size) ? |
| 23:36.57 | RA3OR | the box's hdd is 20gb |
| 23:37.37 | RA3OR | got vmare, ill do a vmware isntall && |
| 23:37.39 | RA3OR | ^^ |
| 23:37.58 | jelly-home | RA3OR: at that size, you might as well have only one partition for / and another for swap. |
| 23:38.08 | chuck | no one knows how to fix the ibook trackpad? |
| 23:38.28 | RA3OR | jelly-home: i've been told its better for each, own partition |
| 23:39.38 | jelly-home | RA3OR: depends on what the machine is going to be used for. Multiuser? Desktop workstation? Server? What services? |
| 23:39.59 | RA3OR | server, didnt install any of the 'servers' |
| 23:40.08 | RA3OR | even took out desktop environment |
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| 23:40.38 | RA3OR | it will serve ftp, http(php/mysql) maybe ill put vshd in it |
| 23:40.46 | RA3OR | and dns |
| 23:40.54 | RA3OR | postfix |
| 23:41.01 | RA3OR | and thats about it |
| 23:41.24 | lhadji | make /var 500+meg just incase |
| 23:41.30 | RA3OR | oh, and games |
| 23:41.39 | jelly-home | RA3OR: no mail? great. I say put all on a single partition and forget about it :-) |
| 23:41.42 | RA3OR | ../home is 10gb |
| 23:41.51 | RA3OR | mail - postfix |
| 23:42.04 | RA3OR | but not sure yet |
| 23:42.12 | abrotman | lhadji: and if he's using mysql |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:42.34 | lhadji | then dont make /var a partition :D |
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| 23:42.39 | RA3OR | i wanted /home on separate partition |
| 23:43.02 | RA3OR | tryed installing xammp earlier |
| 23:43.07 | RA3OR | in /opt |
| 23:43.18 | jelly-home | I wouldn't think about separate partition on disks <30GB. |
| 23:43.20 | RA3OR | printed error - not enough space |
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| 23:43.45 | ribasushi | hi |
| 23:43.51 | RA3OR | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/xampp.htm |
| 23:43.59 | RA3OR | like it says here |
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| 23:51.37 | *** topic/#debian is ETCH IS NOW STABLE: /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg sarge->etch ! Lenny is the new testing! | /msg dpkg lenny | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 23:51.41 | Nyle | mozilla-mplayer is the sheezy |
| 23:51.42 | jetscreamer | hi ny |
| 23:51.51 | jetscreamer | abrotman: depends on the mark |
| 23:51.56 | RA3OR | jelly-home: http://paste.prco23.org/5666 help? which is what? where? |
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| 23:52.23 | ribasushi | I can even go to /tmp and mplayer the temp video file the plugin downloaded |
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| 23:52.49 | ribasushi | I guess I will throw away all other plugins/extensions and try that way |
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| 23:54.18 | bonez39 | how does one tell which wm one is running? |
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| 23:54.53 | jelly-home | RA3OR: df ? |
| 23:55.12 | ribasushi | bonez39: ps faux |
| 23:55.31 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: update-alternatives --display x-window-manager (if you had manually changed it then you would know what it is) |
| 23:56.16 | concept10 | anyone know what driver supports WLAN cards with the Prism chipset? I see two (orinco, and hostap) and neither works for me yet |
| 23:56.32 | concept10 | Thats prism 2.5 chipset |
| 23:56.34 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, I believe I have xfce running, and would preter metacity instead |
| 23:56.50 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: metacity with or without gnome ? |
| 23:57.04 | jetscreamer | you want different words |
| 23:57.14 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, with gnome |
| 23:57.33 | lhadji | h3sp4wn, what's the deal with colliding window managers. is there a special process to do it? or is it as simple as installing both? |
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| 23:58.09 | h3sp4wn | lhadji: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager (x-session-manager is also relevant for de's) |
| 23:58.23 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, I guess i am running sawfish at the moment |
| 23:58.38 | bonez39 | /usr/bin/sawfish - priority 70 |
| 23:58.40 | Nyle | x_link: are you there |
| 23:59.06 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: select the one you want (or install it if its not there) |
