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| 00:00.49 | RA3OR | the php part still doesnt work |
| 00:01.01 | amerej | concept10: this might be helpfull http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_alles.php? |
| 00:02.26 | Nyle | x_link: Secret Maryo Chronicles packages for sid can be found in http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc AND packages for stable including libcegui backports can be found in http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc/etch . I have played the packages I have compiled for you and all is well. However these are still unofficial and don't expect anyone else to support them here for the time being. I have not yet tested these o |
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| 00:03.32 | concept10 | amerej, thanks for that link |
| 00:03.35 | Nyle | x_link: I can't upload the packages to debian for testing purposes until I get the lisencing issues and copyrighted sounds issues worke dout |
| 00:03.36 | jelly-home | lhadji: you can install all of them. |
| 00:03.38 | Nyle | concept10: hey man |
| 00:03.43 | concept10 | Nyle, hey |
| 00:04.03 | Nyle | hmm that was a long line |
| 00:04.13 | Nyle | irssi here shows it the whole way |
| 00:04.19 | lhadji | jelly-home, cool as :) |
| 00:04.21 | Nyle | it didn't get clipped at the end did it? |
| 00:04.28 | Nyle | what is the line char limit in freenode? |
| 00:04.36 | Nyle | how many chars can you have on one line? |
| 00:05.02 | jelly-home | lhadji: each user can then choose the session type in gdm (or whatever login manager you have) |
| 00:05.34 | Nyle | im done dicking around with debian packages for tonight |
| 00:05.43 | Nyle | ahh man.. im tired,, worked all friggin day |
| 00:05.45 | Nyle | ;/ |
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| 00:06.00 | lhadji | yeah i figured.. handy dandy! |
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| 00:06.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.21 | Nyle | enouf: ? |
| 00:06.31 | enouf | clipped |
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| 00:06.50 | enouf | However these are still unofficial and don't expect anyone else to support them here for the time being. I have not yet tested these o |
| 00:07.02 | CartoonCat | Hello all. I have a odd firefox issue on Debian. Konq/ping work perfectly 100% of the time, FF tho only sometimes (when using domain names, ip always works). Is there any way to debug this or track where the break is at? |
| 00:07.04 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:07.20 | enouf | 500 chard maybe? |
| 00:07.24 | enouf | chars |
| 00:08.16 | RA3OR | jelly-home: the php part still doesnt work / it prompts to save .php files |
| 00:08.25 | Nyle | ok enouf thanks a bunchies bro |
| 00:08.28 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, forgive me..how/where does one select the desired wm? I realize I am asking dumb questions, but am most grateful for the help |
| 00:08.38 | jelly-home | RA3OR: run a2enmod php5 |
| 00:08.40 | enouf | no prob |
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| 00:08.50 | CazH | I got a bit of a problem with a OLD laptop, a HP Omnibook 2000 (p1 133mhz) i'm trying to install debian on it. I have succesfully boot d-i from floppies (since it dosn't support booting from cd) I have attached 2 pcmia 10/100 network cards and hooked them up to the local network, I have put a debian etch install cd in the cdrom drive. loaded all the drivers from floppy, both NICs is found and so is the cd-rom. But it cant load the installer comp |
| 00:08.51 | CazH | onents from the cd and I can't get a working network connection with eighter the NICs no matter if I used DHCP(dosn't find my dhcp server) or set up the NICs manaully... Any tips on what the hell is up with this laptop? |
| 00:08.52 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: you get the list after running the update-alternatives command |
| 00:08.58 | RA3OR | This module is already enabled! |
| 00:09.03 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: press a number and that becomes the default |
| 00:09.05 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, yeah, I have that list... |
| 00:09.11 | bonez39 | oh...ok.. |
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| 00:09.25 | RA3OR | ok, nvm, firefox ... |
| 00:09.33 | RA3OR | :^( |
| 00:09.34 | jelly-home | RA3OR: oh, and make sure you have installed apache2-mpm-prefork and removed apache2-mpm-worker |
| 00:09.38 | HellTiger | wich opensource strategy game is rly good ? |
| 00:09.41 | Nyle | x_link: Secret Maryo Chronicles packages for sid can be found in http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc AND packages for stable including libcegui backports can be found in http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc/etch . |
| 00:09.44 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: If you have both gnome and xfce you should do the same for x-session-manager) |
| 00:09.47 | Nyle | x_link: I have not yet tested these on another stable box, however, if you install the libcegui packages and smc packages from my webserver and also install libsdl packages (which it should pull in as I've properly specified the dependencies) and libboost filesystem libs it should work without a problem |
| 00:09.51 | RA3OR | jelly-home: how do i make sure? |
| 00:09.52 | Nyle | x_link: I don't have a testing box, so I can't/won't make packages for it. So far with these packages I've played a few levels and have not found any problems. Please test these out and let me know. In the meantime I will try to make smc packages comply with DFSG |
| 00:09.56 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:09.59 | Nyle | now I'm friggin done. |
| 00:10.01 | Nyle | there |
| 00:10.09 | jelly-home | RA3OR: dpkg -l apache2-mpm-\* |
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| 00:10.15 | maddash | Nyle: wanna go to white castle? heh. |
| 00:10.25 | Nyle | maddash: nah man I already ate too much |
| 00:10.31 | concept10 | oh well, I just broke the wireless antennae trying to twist it around.. |
| 00:10.42 | Nyle | maddash: we can go get some beers though :) |
| 00:10.47 | maddash | Nyle: ditto. I would've kept on eating if the police didn't come. |
| 00:11.06 | Nyle | maddash: lets go get some beers man. want me to come over? |
| 00:11.09 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:11.18 | RA3OR | ii apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.3-4 Traditional model for Apache HTTPD 2.1 |
| 00:11.21 | maddash | Nyle: no. :D. |
| 00:11.35 | RA3OR | un apache2-mpm-worker <none> (no description available) |
| 00:11.42 | Nyle | maddash: you're no fun.. |
| 00:11.44 | RA3OR | its good |
| 00:11.51 | Nyle | maddash: now rahul is fun.. hes always up for whatever |
| 00:11.57 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone point me to a good how-to for ebtables?maybe with some examples? |
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| 00:13.57 | streuner | http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/index.html#documentation-howto |
| 00:14.17 | GeorgeS069 | streuner: thanks |
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| 00:14.32 | Nyle | streuner: whats up man |
| 00:14.51 | h3sp4wn | GeorgeS069: It reduces throughput quite significantly (if it matters to you) |
| 00:14.57 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, I run update-alternatives --display x-window-manager and it displays various priority numbers...50, 60, 70..but no number to select a different wm |
| 00:15.09 | streuner | Nyle: it was pretty hot here... |
| 00:15.20 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 00:15.36 | GeorgeS069 | h3sp4wn:not a problem.It's just a bridge/filter for my DSL |
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| 00:16.10 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: I did say that after - the --display is to know what the wm was whereas --config sets it |
| 00:16.31 | bonez39 | h3sp4wn, thanks..that works...I assume I have to log out and back in to enable the change, correct? |
| 00:16.39 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: yes |
| 00:16.54 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 00:17.09 | h3sp4wn | bonez39: out of X (I presume you are not using kdm / xdm / gdm) |
| 00:17.25 | bonez39 | mil gracias......schoenen Dank......merci beau coup... I am running gdm |
| 00:17.44 | bonez39 | I'll just reboot.....it's no biggie.... |
| 00:17.57 | RA3OR | Linux ns.x.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:18.04 | RA3OR | i need to install mysql on this machine |
| 00:18.15 | RA3OR | but no errors |
| 00:18.35 | RA3OR | if the box fails, im F'ed |
| 00:19.03 | RA3OR | its debian |
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| 00:21.40 | GeorgeS069 | streuner: nothing on that site is specificaly for ebtables.It's all iptables really.Is ebtables essentially the same thing and how are they different? |
| 00:21.45 | tonyb2006 | how can I mount a disk image and skip the MBR |
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| 00:23.28 | nzk | When I install apache2, I get a blank httpd.conf |
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| 00:24.24 | arencinosa | nzk: apache2 stays over apache2.conf, sites-available, mods-available, etc |
| 00:25.34 | streuner | GeorgeS069: the first hit of google shows http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/ebtables-hacking/ebtables-hacking-HOWTO.html |
| 00:26.08 | arencinosa | tonyb2006: huh? what do you get if you do `mount -o loop image.iso directory/'? |
| 00:26.13 | tonyb2006 | no |
| 00:26.20 | tonyb2006 | I want it to skip the first 512bytes |
| 00:26.30 | GeorgeS069 | streuner:OK...I thought that was more for programmers.I'll check that out...thanks |
| 00:26.47 | nzk | arencinosa, yet apache2.conf doesnt mention things like docroot, listen port, things that would be in httpd.conf |
| 00:26.53 | arencinosa | tonyb2006: do you want another disk image without the first 512 bytes? |
| 00:27.07 | tonyb2006 | no I just want to mount it ignoreing that |
| 00:27.13 | tonyb2006 | I've dont it, I think |
| 00:27.26 | arencinosa | nzk: ports.conf |
| 00:27.49 | streuner | GeorgeS069: there is #ebtables as well |
| 00:27.55 | Nyle | ahh man |
| 00:28.12 | GeorgeS069 | streuner:I tried them...lights are on but,nobody home :) |
| 00:28.23 | h3sp4wn | GeorgeS069: More active during the week |
| 00:28.24 | arencinosa | nzk: sites-available/default for DocumentRoot |
| 00:28.48 | GeorgeS069 | I'm reading the Hacking Guide now....looks like what I need |
| 00:29.12 | nzk | arencinosa, oh thanks |
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| 00:29.39 | arencinosa | nzk: you are welcome :-) |
| 00:29.49 | Nyle | x_link: I just tested the smc package on another debian stable box, there were apparantly some dependency issues, but the game still works. Basically when I backported libcegui, it created files like /usr/lib/libCEGUIFalagardWRBase.so.1 instead of /usr/lib/libCEGUIFalagardWRBase.so which is what smc game is looking for. Simple ln -s commands to the proper file names will work for now. Until I iron out these bugs, and stuff... you'll have |
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| 00:30.26 | arencinosa | guys, do you know something about iptables module layer7? |
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| 00:34.35 | arencinosa | will layer7 match all packets no matter the way? |
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| 00:35.49 | arencinosa | I have the following scenario: Internet --- (eth1)Server(eth0) --- LAN |
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| 00:39.09 | RA3OR | hmm |
| 00:39.57 | RA3OR | one user has big file size in /var/mail/his_name |
| 00:40.14 | RA3OR | question is: what is that file for? mail is postfix |
| 00:40.35 | RA3OR | like ~2gb filesize |
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| 00:41.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Maybe he mistook your server for GMail and wanted to use it for file sharing? :P |
| 00:42.16 | RA3OR | Dark_Apostrophe: im serious, the box has very little hdd space free |
| 00:42.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: I got no idea about mailservers, sorry. Just a lame attempt at a joke. :) |
| 00:42.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Probably spam. |
| 00:42.58 | RA3OR | 1.5gb ? |
| 00:43.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
| 00:43.09 | RA3OR | holy ... cow |
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| 00:43.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | On my old GMail account, I had like 500 megs of the stuff |
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| 00:43.34 | RA3OR | this aint Gmail =( |
| 00:43.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not impossible given enough time. |
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| 00:43.51 | RA3OR | its just mail |
| 00:43.59 | DavidProck1981 | can someone telll me hot to be able to play .mov files |
| 00:44.31 | h3sp4wn | there is different types |
| 00:44.33 | RA3OR | what does it do in /var/mail ? |
| 00:44.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: If Freenode alone can give me hundreds of megs of logfiles every month, Email, of which more than 50% is spam, can certainly compete against that. |
| 00:45.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | DavidProck1981: |
| 00:45.18 | DavidProck1981 | ta? |
| 00:45.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt-get install libquicktime0 |
| 00:45.26 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 00:45.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | np |
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| 00:46.01 | RA3OR | shouldnt that be in /home/user_name/Maildir ? |
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| 00:46.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Like I said, I'm clueless when it comes to mailservers |
| 00:47.02 | BabyBee | hi ,all! is there a tool(in 4.0) help me to add apt-soure , same as base-config(in 3.2).? |
| 00:47.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | BabyBee: Umm... mind rephrazing that.. in English? |
| 00:47.55 | RA3OR | maaaan, the iddiot uses webmail |
| 00:48.00 | lindenle | BabyBee: maybe apt-spy for repositories |
| 00:48.06 | RA3OR | all mails stored on server |
| 00:48.10 | BabyBee | Dark_Apostrophe sorry ! my English is not very good ! |
| 00:48.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Spam? :) |
| 00:48.53 | RA3OR | nah, jsut that since 2005 - now, the user didnt download one single mail thru a mail client |
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| 00:49.10 | RA3OR | custom dirs in webmail |
| 00:49.12 | BabyBee | lindenle oh! i will take a try |
| 00:49.18 | maddash | !apt-soure |
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| 00:49.30 | maddash | wat's "apt-soure'? |
| 00:49.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Invest a bit in bandwidth this month, and force him to download the lot |
| 00:49.37 | maddash | ' " |
| 00:49.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | maddash: source* |
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| 00:50.08 | maddash | what's apt-source? |
| 00:50.17 | maddash | Dark_Apostrophe: sources.list? |
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| 00:50.36 | zenwryly | I can't seem to print a PDF via cups but printing from Firefox or a test page works. I also can't seem to find any log information about what's going wrong. Can anyone offer any pointers? |
| 00:50.40 | maddash | !tell BabyBee about apt-spy |
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| 00:50.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | maddash: No, the app that compiles source packages. |
| 00:51.01 | RA3OR | Dark_Apostrophe: bw it is, i-net for corporate |
| 00:51.08 | RA3OR | force user: can not do that |
| 00:51.11 | jeef | i plugged in some usb headphones which seem to act as a separate sound device; is there any quick way (within say, gnome and/or alsa configuration) to switch to them as a default output device/ |
| 00:51.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Then have fun in investing in more hard drive space. |
| 00:51.32 | BabyBee | maddash thanks |
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| 00:51.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Want my (very) old 8gig hard drive? :P |
| 00:51.55 | maddash | BabyBee: don't thank me because that's not what you're looking for. |
| 00:53.19 | RA3OR | oh man |
| 00:53.40 | RA3OR | how can 1gb fill in one week? |
| 00:54.43 | CazH | RA3OR, i can fill up more than that in one night.... |
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| 00:56.07 | BabyBee | maddash i got another information from you ,maybe that's not the one i want, but it is one i should know |
| 00:56.07 | Nyle | CazH: crazy pr0n downloaer |
| 00:56.09 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 00:56.40 | BabyBee | maddash so ... ,thank you ! |
| 00:56.53 | CazH | Nyle, no comment |
| 00:57.00 | maddash | ew. |
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| 00:57.10 | Nyle | CazH: no sense of humor. |
| 00:58.16 | CazH | Nyle, if you say so :P |
| 00:58.30 | Nyle | CazH: thats more like it :) |
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| 01:00.54 | CazH | anybody fancy giving me a couple of SATA drives? just something small, like around 500gb so I can run some fast raid shit on them?... |
| 01:01.48 | CazH | transfering 80gb of data from a OLD ass pata 133 drive... while writing a bad ass big tar to the same drive, SLOWWWWWWWW! |
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| 01:03.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: I'll trade it for a bucketload of money. Deal? |
| 01:03.58 | Nyle | CazH: 500gb disks are not cheap.. or small |
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| 01:04.06 | Nyle | CazH: stop begging and get a job |
| 01:04.16 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, uhm... how does 10 dollars sound to you? just about all i got... |
| 01:04.33 | CazH | Nyle, got a job... but most of my money goes to my cars so I can get to and from work =/ |
| 01:04.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Throw on a couple of zeroes and we've got a deal |
| 01:04.45 | Nyle | CazH: then get a better job |
| 01:05.11 | Nyle | CazH: if people have shitty jobs, its their problem. Why should we have to give them free stuff? |
| 01:05.15 | CazH | Nyle, the job is a part of my education so can't get a batter job in 3 year |
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| 01:05.18 | CazH | s |
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| 01:05.34 | Nyle | CazH: where there is a will, there is a way. |
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| 01:05.48 | CazH | Nyle, because i'm getting a education and trying to make the world a better place or somehting like that? |
| 01:06.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Get a second job. |
| 01:06.08 | Nyle | CazH: fuck the world. worry about your ownself first. if you can't help yourself, you can't help anyone else |
| 01:06.14 | Nyle | these are ancient adages |
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| 01:06.18 | Nyle | they hold true |
| 01:06.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: You can have my old 8-gig drive for free, if you pay for the postage. :) |
| 01:06.26 | CazH | Nyle, like you way of thinking |
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| 01:06.42 | Nyle | CazH: its not my way of thinking, its wise people from centuries ago |
| 01:06.43 | Dimples | anyone know how to make the numlock be on when xdm comes up? |
| 01:06.55 | Nyle | !numlock |
| 01:06.55 | dpkg | Use setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a vt. Have a look at the package "numlockx" to set the NumLock status in X. |
| 01:07.11 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, no way i'm getting a second job, that just defets the purpous of more money because then I have no time to spend it |
| 01:07.14 | Dimples | numlockx only works AFTER you log in xdm |
| 01:07.21 | Dimples | which is annoying |
| 01:07.27 | Nyle | Dimples: umm.. duh. |
| 01:07.29 | Dimples | because my password contains numerics |
| 01:07.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Begging won't help you- |
| 01:07.32 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, got like 10 of that shit just laying around... |
| 01:07.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 01:07.46 | Nyle | Dimples: how about reaching over to hit the numlock key? |
| 01:07.52 | Nyle | it isn't that difficult |
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| 01:08.01 | Nyle | you may burn a maximum of what... 10 calories if that |
| 01:08.03 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, your right, do you have a ak47 I can borrow? need to go to the bank a make a withdraw ;) |
| 01:08.06 | torrr | does anyone use incron? |
| 01:08.07 | Dimples | Nyle: yes but annoying besides this is linux not windows its supposed to be configureable |
| 01:08.21 | Nyle | Dimples: if you don't like numlockx then search on google |
| 01:08.22 | Nyle | I don't know |
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| 01:08.28 | Dimples | i have Nyle |
| 01:08.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: A softgun one. |
| 01:08.35 | Dimples | none of the things anyone else says to do works |
| 01:08.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Need it? :) |
| 01:08.39 | RA3OR | hmm, question: how do i disable ctrl+alt+del rebooting when not logged on ? |
| 01:08.41 | Nyle | Dimples: I'm out of ideas though man |
| 01:08.41 | Dimples | or they mention files that don't exsist |
| 01:08.43 | Nyle | Dimples: sorry mate |
| 01:08.48 | Dimples | because they are on different distros |
| 01:09.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: Remove the alt button |
| 01:09.03 | Papiertiger | How do i list all packages installed from on specific repository? |
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| 01:09.18 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, no, softguns I can just steel from my little brother, he's like, fucked up, got a tons of softguns and other types of guns |
| 01:09.19 | RA3OR | Dark_Apostrophe: .. |
| 01:09.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | RA3OR: :P |
| 01:09.29 | Dimples | anyone else have any ideas on how to make numlock come on with xdm starts? |
| 01:09.34 | CazH | but just nothing that can make any real damage on people =/ |
| 01:09.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Steal them, sell them, instant money. |
| 01:10.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dimples: If you find it out, tell me too, please. :) |
| 01:10.15 | CazH | Dark_Apostrophe, will do! :D |
| 01:10.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | CazH: Case closed. :) |
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| 01:10.43 | CazH | this must be right up Nyle way of thinking, fuck the world, me first :D |
| 01:10.51 | SH2000 | hey guys, does my kernel need to be upgraded badly? |
| 01:10.52 | SH2000 | Linux u15191511.onlinehome-server.com 2.6.16.33-061227b #1 SMP Wed Dec 27 11:49:29 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:11.17 | Nyle | CazH: absolutely |
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| 01:11.37 | RA3OR | Linux ns.x.ro 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:11.49 | Nyle | CazH: philosophically speaking, there is no such thing as a selfless act. Even selflessness is selfish |
| 01:12.03 | CazH | think i'm going to steal a case of beer or two while i'm at the whole stealing biz, might come in handy |
| 01:12.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does mine need upgrade? |
| 01:12.12 | RA3OR | aha |
| 01:12.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sysinfo for 'kobra': Linux 2.6.20.4-kobra running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ at 2010 MHz (4025 bogomips), HD: 33/231GB, RAM: 992/1002MB, 127 proc's, 1.20d up |
| 01:12.21 | Dimples | what if i were to add the numlockx thing in the runlevel that xdm is in? |
| 01:12.26 | CazH | Nyle, right, cuz that shit make you feel good about your self |
| 01:12.30 | Dimples | would that work? |
| 01:12.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dimples: Try it. |
| 01:12.37 | Dimples | do you know which runlevel that is? |
| 01:12.38 | Dimples | 5? |
| 01:12.44 | SH2000 | yeah ok ten |
| 01:12.45 | SH2000 | *then |
| 01:12.47 | Nyle | !runlevel |
| 01:12.48 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
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| 01:13.12 | Nyle | Dimples: this isn't redhat |
| 01:13.13 | SH2000 | Im guessing since no one yelled at me with that kernel version it's fine |
| 01:13.29 | Dimples | never ran redhat nyle |
| 01:13.33 | RA3OR | !nub |
| 01:13.40 | RA3OR | XD |
| 01:13.54 | Nyle | dpkg nub is see <noob> |
| 01:13.54 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 01:14.06 | RA3OR | !nub |
| 01:14.06 | dpkg | [nub] see <noob> |
| 01:14.09 | RA3OR | :P |
| 01:14.27 | Dimples | !noob |
| 01:14.27 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 01:14.38 | Dimples | heh |
| 01:14.49 | RA3OR | Dimples is not a noob |
| 01:14.52 | RA3OR | :D |
| 01:15.01 | RA3OR | even if we can tel |
| 01:15.06 | RA3OR | he is NOT |
| 01:15.07 | RA3OR | :D |
| 01:15.21 | Dimples | hmm i am honestly |
| 01:15.32 | Dimples | i know enough to be dangerous |
| 01:15.32 | RA3OR | me 2, guilty |
| 01:15.36 | Dimples | but not enough to be good |
| 01:15.36 | CazH | by make a statment about your level of skills without anyone asking makes you a n00b :P |
| 01:15.43 | RA3OR | im scared of myself sometimes |
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| 01:16.26 | RA3OR | so, if you say: damn, im good |
| 01:16.32 | RA3OR | you're a newb |
| 01:17.08 | CazH | RA3OR, yeah |
| 01:17.13 | CazH | you got the point! :D |
| 01:17.56 | CazH | pretty much ripped that statment of a danish rap song, just transfer to g33k from player |
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| 01:20.33 | CazH | I got a bit of a problem with a OLD laptop, a HP Omnibook 2000 (p1 133mhz) i'm trying to install debian on it. I have succesfully boot d-i from floppies (since it dosn't support booting from cd) I have attached 2 pcmia 10/100 network cards and hooked them up to the local network, I have put a debian etch install cd in the cdrom drive. loaded all the drivers from floppy, both NICs is found and so is the cd-rom. But it cant load the installer comp |
| 01:20.33 | CazH | onents from the cd and I can't get a working network connection with eighter the NICs no matter if I used DHCP(dosn't find my dhcp server) or set up the NICs manaully... Any tips on what the hell is up with this laptop? |
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| 01:23.34 | CazH | no help? |
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| 01:27.23 | RA3OR | ca:12345:ctrlaltdel:/bin/echo "CTRL-ALT-DEL is disabled" |
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| 01:29.54 | CazH | does anybody know a good system monitor? something like gkrellm, just prorper |
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| 01:30.37 | nvz | what the hell is prorper |
| 01:31.20 | CazH | it's my spelling... when i'm too sleepy |
| 01:31.25 | donaldo | where exactly should i place a startup item like ifconfig eth0 lan.ip.addr.ess? i'd like it to continue getting a dhcp address for the time being, but i'd like afterward to have it just assign its own address to the eth0 interface. the network router is unswitched so it doesn't care. |
| 01:31.33 | CazH | like good |
| 01:32.02 | CazH | donaldo, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:32.23 | nvz | goto sleep answers will be waiting for you in the morning.. heh |
| 01:32.52 | nvz | I spent hours last night toying with alpha transparency filters and figured it out in like 2 minutes after a good sleep |
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| 01:33.00 | donaldo | thanks CazH , i had no idea debian's /etc was so organized |
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| 01:33.32 | CazH | hehe sure thing nvz... just need to move 40gigs of data over my badass slow lan before I can sleep so i'm stuck here anyway :P |
| 01:33.40 | CazH | donaldo, your welcome ;) |
| 01:33.44 | grew | how can i tell how much memory my video card has? |
| 01:34.09 | nvz | grew: usually the xserver logs will tell you |
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| 01:34.28 | grew | nvz: cant see it anywhere |
| 01:35.29 | nvz | grew: if its pci based lspci -vv would tell you its memory regions |
| 01:35.35 | Nyle | nvz: whats up dog man dude homie bro |
| 01:35.58 | nvz | Nyle: not much.. just waiting on the world to change |
| 01:36.18 | CazH | Nyle, feeling black= |
| 01:36.29 | CazH | ? |
| 01:36.54 | grew | Region 0: Memory at e8000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M] |
| 01:36.57 | grew | does that mean 128meg? |
| 01:37.01 | grew | that doesnt make sense |
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| 01:37.40 | nvz | nothing makes sense to me right now but something good to eat |
| 01:37.56 | nvz | I'd say sex, but well thats not happening yet |
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| 01:37.59 | CazH | nvz, ill second that, and add beer |
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| 01:38.47 | nvz | I'm hungry for something I just can't remember what it is.. I used to eat it all the time back in the day.. oh yeah pussy.. heh |
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| 01:39.40 | CazH | nvz, yeah and then you started using linux and now your hungry... wonder why :P |
| 01:39.41 | alarm | hello, how could i install debian with kdebase . i did an expertgui installation but i didnt see any choice of the packages. i just dont want all this applications of kde to be installed |
| 01:39.49 | lg8 | you tell me ;) |
| 01:40.10 | alarm | i got a kde-debian cd |
| 01:40.20 | nvz | I'm both pissed and proud of myself for resisting the urge last night to go dittle some drunk underage chics.. they had to just dittle themselves.. what a shame |
| 01:41.07 | nvz | I'm practically married these days, I just haven't went and bought her a ring pop yet |
| 01:41.33 | CazH | nvz, how old are yoU? |
| 01:41.45 | nvz | I'm 23 as of now.. going on 24 |
| 01:41.53 | nvz | the girl I want to marry is 22 |
| 01:41.54 | grew | woot fixed |
| 01:42.17 | Nyle | CazH: can you not be racialist |
| 01:42.19 | CazH | okay... it's just that you talk about getting married and underage chicks in the same message :P |
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| 01:42.37 | Nyle | dude man homie bro dog == `black` its called slang |
| 01:42.40 | CazH | Nyle, nope, it's feature thats be complied in to me |
| 01:42.54 | nvz | but she ran off on the last guy who tried to marry her and lived out of a car for a week, so thats why I said I am getting her a ring pop.. doesnt cost as much.. and it's sweeter .. at least for a few licks |
| 01:43.00 | Nyle | CazH: either you stop with the racial remarks or I will be reporting you to the ops |
| 01:43.01 | CazH | ill give you that dude isn't very black |
| 01:43.06 | Nyle | I will nto repeat myself. |
| 01:43.19 | Nyle | nvz: cool man, gonna get you a perm. woman |
| 01:43.20 | Nyle | nice |
| 01:43.31 | Nyle | s/==/!- |
| 01:43.34 | Nyle | blah |
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| 01:43.53 | nvz | I say the ring pop symbolizes the fact that life isnt always gonna be sweet |
| 01:43.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:44.02 | nvz | heh |
| 01:44.07 | Nyle | dude, don't give her a ringpop for a ring |
| 01:44.08 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 01:44.10 | Nyle | lol |
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| 01:44.39 | CazH | Nyle, its no to be racialist, it's just what i think... i'm white, but hell... like last feb, i was out clubing, and realised I was a bit out of place since i was the only white person in the place... just great a white geek in a black club :P |
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| 01:44.47 | CazH | but hell the place was NICE :D |
| 01:44.48 | Nyle | nvz: my marriage has been postponed till we can figure out this immigration bullcrap |
| 01:44.55 | nvz | hah, I'd love to get her something amazing, but she hasn't proved to me she can take commitment seriously at this point |
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| 01:45.00 | Nyle | CazH: please drop it. |
| 01:45.01 | nvz | Nyle: bah, that sucks |
| 01:45.09 | CazH | Nyle, sure |
| 01:45.15 | Nyle | nvz: I was supposed to get married in september |
| 01:45.25 | Nyle | it doesn't look like its gonna happen till next year |
| 01:45.27 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:45.40 | Nyle | friggin usa and thier visa policies |
| 01:46.05 | Nyle | either that, or I go to pakisan and marry her and then still wait for a year to get paper work processed |
| 01:46.11 | Nyle | then i'll be able to sponsor her a green card |
| 01:46.24 | Nyle | but either way, its gonna be at least at least a year |
| 01:46.25 | Nyle | :( |
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| 01:49.09 | mrproper | I upgraded my Debian version. Now when I load my domain name, apache returns with type x-trash. But when I specify the root file, it returns fine. |
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| 01:52.41 | ireverentReveren | i am trying to install the gallery package on sarge with apache2, but for some reason visiting an index.php page makes my browser DOWNLOAD that page, not get teh executed php page... any ideas what is wrong? |
| 01:52.44 | Nyle | ireverentReveren: go to apache2.conf and make sure mime types for php are there |
| 01:53.11 | ice63 | im trying to find the make of this video card it's a MEI can someone help ? |
| 01:53.13 | mrproper | ireverentReveren: Sounds like that's the exact same type of problem as me...maybe. |
| 01:53.13 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 01:53.21 | Nyle | DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml |
| 01:53.33 | Nyle | #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 01:53.36 | Nyle | uncomment this line |
| 01:53.42 | Nyle | the restart apache2 and you should be fine |
| 01:53.44 | ireverentReveren | just did that and restarted |
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| 01:53.53 | ireverentReveren | no luck |
| 01:54.05 | donaldo | does the term "hotplug" in /etc/network/interfaces vernacular refer to dynamic creation/destruction of new networking interfaces? or simply the connection? |
| 01:54.08 | Nyle | well other than i dunno what to tell you |
| 01:54.21 | maddash | donaldo: connection |
| 01:54.27 | donaldo | maddash: thanks |
| 01:54.51 | Nyle | ireverentReveren: did you uncomment the AddType line? |
| 01:54.57 | ireverentReveren | Yeah |
| 01:55.20 | Nyle | ireverentReveren: try #apache |
| 01:55.24 | maddash | how man bytes is 1GB? 10^3 or 2^10? |
| 01:55.24 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
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| 01:55.34 | Nyle | sure |
| 01:55.45 | zinx | maddash: 2**30 |
| 01:56.05 | aeshyamae | i get an error on first startup after etch installation |
| 01:56.10 | maddash | zinx: bah. I was thinking of megabytes, not "bytes." |
| 01:56.11 | aeshyamae | hda:lost interrupt |
| 01:56.20 | zinx | maddash: GB is "gigabytes" |
| 01:56.21 | Nyle | zinx: properly i think is written 2^30 |
| 01:56.28 | maddash | zinx: thanks. |
| 01:56.32 | zinx | Nyle: that's 2 XOR 30 to my C eyes |
| 01:56.37 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:56.39 | aeshyamae | hda: cache flashes not supported |
| 01:56.50 | zinx | Nyle: if you prefer i could use pow(2, 30) or 1<<30 |
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| 01:57.02 | Gokee2 | maddash, 1 GB is 1,073,741,824 bytes |
| 01:57.10 | aeshyamae | hda:dma timer expiry:dma_status==0x24 |
| 01:57.13 | Nyle | zinx: or I could just smack you on the head and tell you to that you're dealing with simple people :) |
| 01:57.39 | zinx | Nyle: it's not uncommon for ** to be used as power |
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| 01:57.40 | aeshyamae | i searched the net but cant get a correct solution |
| 01:57.47 | Nyle | zinx: certainly not |
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| 01:57.53 | ribasushi | hi |
| 01:57.55 | Nyle | hi |
| 01:58.03 | aeshyamae | hi |
| 01:58.04 | maddash | dpkg: say hi to ribasushi |
| 01:58.04 | dpkg | hi to ribasushi |
| 01:58.12 | ribasushi | :)) |
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| 01:58.42 | maddash | brb. |
| 01:59.07 | ribasushi | is anyone using mozilla-mplayer plugin together with w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 01:59.10 | Nyle | horribly poor social skills |
| 01:59.12 | jzxu | after many years of windows xp, I'm happy to say I'm coming back to debian |
| 01:59.12 | Nyle | goddamn |
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| 01:59.19 | aeshyamae | hda:lost interrupt |
| 01:59.22 | Nyle | jzxu: welcome back |
| 01:59.22 | ribasushi | as soon as I install w32codecs the plugin does not work anymore |
| 01:59.26 | Guerin | !anyone use mozilla-mplayer plugin together with w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 01:59.26 | dpkg | No, no one uses mozilla-mplayer plugin together with w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:59.26 | aeshyamae | what to do with that error/?? |
| 01:59.35 | Nyle | Guerin: haha dude |
| 01:59.37 | jzxu | Nyle: thank you |
| 01:59.38 | Guerin | aeshyamae: google it |
| 01:59.49 | Guerin | Nyle: like, y'knoow |
| 01:59.54 | Nyle | Guerin: i do |
| 01:59.57 | aeshyamae | guerin:ya did it but cant get a solution |
| 02:00.14 | Nyle | aeshyamae: w32codecs is not supported here |
| 02:00.21 | Nyle | aeshyamae: please consult #mplayer |
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| 02:00.38 | Nyle | er.. |
| 02:00.40 | Nyle | wrong person |
| 02:00.40 | ribasushi | Nyle: it was actually me asking |
| 02:00.41 | Nyle | my bad |
| 02:00.46 | Nyle | i just realized this |
| 02:00.49 | Nyle | sorry |
| 02:00.53 | Nyle | !enter |
| 02:00.53 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 02:00.55 | Nyle | damn me! |
| 02:01.18 | ribasushi | Nyle: mozilla-mplayer is a debian package however, and it seems to be the culprit |
| 02:01.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Currently, I'm running an AMD64 Lenny system. I'm going to buy an Intel laptop soon - Debian AMD64 also works on Intel 64, right? |
| 02:01.46 | Nyle | ribasushi: if it is causing a problem when combined with w32codecs you will not find support here as w32codecs is not related to debian in anyway |
| 02:01.52 | Nyle | ribasushi: it is a 3rd party package |
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| 02:02.22 | Vasistha | Nyle: don't know when I've seen someone invoke the bot to scold himself |
| 02:02.32 | ribasushi | Nyle: it never hurts to ask |
| 02:02.37 | ribasushi | Nyle: thanks anyway |
| 02:02.38 | Nyle | ribasushi: certainly not |
| 02:02.41 | Nyle | you're welcome |
| 02:02.43 | aeshyamae | hi i have hda9,and hda10 but no hda2 and hda3 and hda5 will that create the message hda:lost interrupt?? |
| 02:03.15 | Vasistha | aeshyamae: who knows? Why don't you pastebin fdisk -l |
| 02:03.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? :) |
| 02:03.42 | Nyle | anyone is not here. please leave a message for anyone at the beep |
| 02:03.45 | Nyle | !beep |
| 02:03.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 02:03.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:04.11 | Vasistha | siwwy wabbit |
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| 02:04.44 | Nyle | I love the scene in family guy the movie |
| 02:04.50 | Nyle | when elmer finally kills bugs |
| 02:04.59 | Nyle | oh man i been waiting to see that my whole life |
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| 02:05.02 | Vasistha | really! wow. that's... that's something. |
| 02:05.08 | ice63 | anyone know the make of this video card MEI ? |
| 02:05.08 | Nyle | and finally, finally someone di dit |
| 02:05.20 | Vasistha | that's... kind of sad and disgusting, and yet somehow satisfying as well. |
| 02:05.28 | Nyle | i know man isn't it though |
| 02:05.34 | Nyle | ice63: MEI? |
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| 02:05.49 | nn-away | hi |
| 02:05.54 | Vasistha | "I kiwwed da wabbit, huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh" |
| 02:05.55 | ice63 | Nyle, yes |
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| 02:06.04 | Nyle | ice63: what is an MEI? |
| 02:06.13 | Vasistha | ice63: that's the only marking on it, huh/ |
| 02:06.33 | Nyle | ice63: if it is connected, what does lspci tell you |
| 02:06.43 | Nyle | ice63: do you have the box by any chance? |
| 02:06.53 | nn-away | check out the new filebin at filebin.info |
| 02:06.56 | Nyle | is it an onboard chip from some obscure company? |
| 02:06.57 | nn-away | thanks |
| 02:07.02 | ice63 | it's a dell |
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| 02:07.16 | nn-away | someone up load a file i want to chect out if it works |
| 02:07.18 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm not really sure, myself. It may be that you actually want ia64 ... or you might indeed want amd64. You should look around the debian install guide to see which arch is recommended for intel 64 bit |
| 02:07.36 | Nyle | ice63: dell sucks |
| 02:07.44 | ice63 | p3 lol |
| 02:07.48 | Nyle | ice63: try lspci and see if it says anything about it |
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| 02:08.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: Ok, thanks |
| 02:08.16 | ice63 | Nyle, ok i will |
| 02:08.19 | Nyle | AMD64 I believe |
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| 02:09.26 | maddash | Nyle: bugs is fine. you know what's even annoying? the coyote and roadrunner. and tweety and sylvester. |
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| 02:09.49 | Vasistha | aeshyamae: do you know what interrupts are? Basically, any device can send an "interrupt" signal to the processor, which basically means, "I need attention!" So then the processor will give attention to the device, whatever it is. One example is the mouse and keyboard -- whenever you move the mouse or press a key, the mouse/keyboard says to the processor "I need attention!" So when ... grrr |
| 02:09.52 | Vasistha | he left |
| 02:10.26 | stoned | maddash: roadrunner got run over by peter griffin when he was giving a ride to wyle e coyote.. in the same movie |
| 02:10.29 | stoned | :) |
| 02:10.40 | stoned | I love family guy |
| 02:10.53 | maddash | stoned: which episode is this? |
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| 02:11.01 | salami | hey |
| 02:11.07 | stoned | maddash: THE MOVIE! |
| 02:11.18 | stoned | hahaha salami lol |
| 02:11.23 | stoned | omg |
| 02:11.25 | maddash | oh geez |
| 02:11.44 | maddash | stoned: I thought you were high, and made the same typo twice. |
| 02:11.45 | stoned | walaikum salami |
| 02:12.00 | stoned | hehe i shush |
| 02:12.52 | jzxu | if I have an intel pro wireless card, will it "just work" with the new etch installer? |
| 02:13.06 | stoned | intel is usually supported yes |
| 02:13.10 | maddash | jzxu: hell no. |
| 02:13.25 | jzxu | conflicting answers? |
| 02:13.26 | maddash | jzxu: you need to download the ipw2200 firmware |
| 02:13.48 | stoned | maddash: nm, my wifi isn't intel nm |
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| 02:14.24 | pdf | debian etch, installed successfully |
| 02:14.34 | jzxu | maddash: I see, thanks |
| 02:14.41 | maddash | jzxu: the etch kernel does, however, have the appropriate ipw2200 configurations set. so basically, just get the firmware. |
| 02:15.07 | maddash | stoned: what's your download cap? |
| 02:15.15 | salami | no |
| 02:15.20 | stoned | maddash: cap? |
| 02:15.25 | maddash | stoned: limit* |
| 02:15.29 | stoned | limit? |
| 02:15.34 | stoned | for what? |
| 02:15.44 | maddash | 22:15:06 <maddash> stoned: what's your download limit? |
| 02:15.53 | stoned | 10mbit down |
| 02:16.00 | stoned | 49$/mo |
| 02:16.03 | maddash | stoned: your downstream bandwidth |
| 02:16.09 | maddash | stoned: wow. neat.. |
| 02:16.33 | stoned | but right now for 6 months i only pay 29.99$/mo |
| 02:16.39 | stoned | for 10mbit |
| 02:17.04 | stoned | i got a special deal from isp cuz i called and begged and said i was a poor college student |
| 02:17.20 | maddash | stoned: $30/month = <<<< 786kb |
| 02:17.26 | stoned | ouch |
| 02:17.30 | Vasistha | stoned: you schemer! :D good job, stick it to the man! |
| 02:17.54 | stoned | well i had to give them my student id for my school and everything so they could verify |
| 02:18.00 | stoned | plus i got 250 extra channels |
| 02:18.05 | stoned | on digital cable and telephone |
| 02:18.08 | maddash | stoned: er 'channels'? |
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| 02:18.27 | donaldo | i've removed anonymous from /etc/ftpusers, how come i can't login as anonymous? |
| 02:18.29 | stoned | 250+150 channels, digital phone, and 10mbit cable internet, 99$/mo total |
| 02:18.41 | stoned | all 3 services :D |
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| 02:18.46 | maddash | stoned: damn, you poor college student, you! |
| 02:19.03 | stoned | maddash: you got RR? |
| 02:19.12 | maddash | stoned: everyone in our area does. |
| 02:19.17 | stoned | yeh me too |
| 02:19.22 | donaldo | tells me "331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password." and then rejects it with "530 Login incorrect." |
| 02:19.24 | stoned | nothing else in bayside except satellite |
| 02:19.48 | maddash | stoned: these high-speed ISPs work like a mafia |
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| 02:19.59 | stoned | maddash: you just gotta know who to work with |
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| 02:20.21 | donaldo | google only gives me bullshit |
| 02:20.24 | Guerin | i'm currently defrauding my ISP |
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| 02:20.42 | stoned | maddash: I called literally about 10+ times. I wanted to get a really nice older lady on the telephone. Then i worked my charm and got her to gimme some deals |
| 02:20.44 | maddash | Guerin: which one is that? |
| 02:20.50 | Guerin | by providing my neighbours with internet as well, saving us both ~$30/month |
| 02:20.54 | Guerin | maddash: hellstraclear |
| 02:20.54 | stoned | maddash: she actually took the trouble to get her manager and give me discounts |
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| 02:21.25 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:21.38 | maddash | Guerin: do your neighbors pay you? or is this a case of unprotected wireless? |
| 02:21.42 | Guerin | donaldo: let me get this straight |
| 02:21.59 | maddash | donaldo: you **removed** anonymous from /etc/ftpusers, didn't you? |
| 02:22.02 | stoned | !vsftpd |
| 02:22.02 | mynullvoid | how do I upload all the files including the directory using ftp? I tried mput * but it only copy the files not folders |
| 02:22.02 | dpkg | vsftpd is, like, a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and ... |
| 02:22.03 | Guerin | donaldo: you removed anonymous from ftpusers, and are confused why you can't log in as anonymous? |
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| 02:22.19 | stoned | Guerin: I didn't even bother to answer that |
| 02:22.25 | donaldo | # /etc/ftpusers: list of users disallowed ftp access. See ftpusers(5). |
| 02:22.42 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: use ncftp, or curlftpfs |
| 02:22.43 | donaldo | it's a little counterintuitive |
| 02:22.49 | Guerin | hm, that is stupid |
| 02:22.52 | Guerin | use vsftpd |
| 02:22.56 | stoned | indeed |
| 02:23.00 | stoned | vs is great |
| 02:23.07 | stoned | very small, very secure |
| 02:23.15 | mynullvoid | I am ftp out to other server |
| 02:23.16 | Gnea | i like protftpd too |
| 02:23.16 | apk | Can't you configure vsftpd to use the users file as allow or deny, and isn't it pretty clear in the standard debian conf file? |
| 02:23.18 | stoned | very sexy. |
| 02:23.31 | Gnea | it's secure and supports vhosts |
| 02:23.34 | Guerin | if it's good enough for ftp.openbsd.org, it's good enough for you |
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| 02:23.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 02:23.41 | donaldo | alright, i'll do that |
| 02:23.47 | Guerin | Gnea: it's massively bloated and hard to configure though |
| 02:23.57 | mynullvoid | wht don't mput * copy all the folders? |
| 02:23.58 | stoned | bloat bloat like pms bloat |
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| 02:24.02 | Gnea | Guerin: if you can configure an apache server, you can configure proftpd |
| 02:24.06 | Guerin | you really have to love apache-style config |
| 02:24.08 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:24.17 | Gnea | it's not really THAT bloated |
| 02:24.19 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: I think the vsftpd advice was meant for donaldo. For you, I'd recommend a better client. |
| 02:24.34 | Gnea | you can change the config to be as sleak and secure as vsftp |
| 02:24.34 | nzk | Where do I set my server's ip? |
| 02:24.38 | nzk | for apache2 |
| 02:24.42 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: but if you're stuck on the client you've got, you need to find the "recursive" option |
| 02:24.47 | Gnea | !apache |
| 02:24.48 | dpkg | apache is probably a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 02:24.57 | Gnea | !apache manual |
| 02:24.57 | dpkg | [apache manual] at http://localhost/doc/apache-doc/manual/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ for Apache 1, or at http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ for apache2 |
| 02:25.14 | Gnea | nzk: it's all there ^^^ |
| 02:25.19 | Guerin | i'm about to go fishing here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=seatoun+new+zealand&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=86.595945,97.03125&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=17&ll=-41.319051,174.831759&spn=0.00527,0.005922&t=k&om=1 |
| 02:25.24 | Guerin | eew, ugly gmaps url |
| 02:26.03 | donaldo | what does tinyurl do, exactly? is it just like... a public key>value repository? |
| 02:26.18 | Vasistha | donaldo: it's just a forwarding service |
| 02:26.19 | Gnea | donaldo: http://tinyurl.com see for yourself |
| 02:26.23 | Guerin | donaldo: it just assigns a hash to a given url |
| 02:26.33 | Gnea | basically it takes a long url and makes it short |
| 02:26.34 | donaldo | Gnea: i've seen it, not implementation details |
| 02:26.43 | GeorgeS069 | donaldo: it make little ones outta big ones |
| 02:26.55 | maddash | Guerin: how are you getting there? |
| 02:26.57 | donaldo | i was just curious if maybe there was more to it than storing the URLs |
| 02:27.02 | Gnea | donaldo: no need, just use it :) |
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| 02:27.05 | Gnea | nope |
| 02:27.07 | Guerin | maddash: by car, it's ~10km away |
| 02:27.07 | mbutUbuntu01 | ciao ragazzi, ho un problema |
| 02:27.08 | Gnea | that's all it's there for |
| 02:27.21 | Gnea | one of the best resources ever |
| 02:27.23 | Guerin | mbutUbuntu01: 1. english 2. #ubuntu |
| 02:27.24 | mbutUbuntu01 | quando avvio winecfg e vado alla scheda audio, il programma si blocca |
| 02:27.24 | Vasistha | donaldo: I doubt it. Probably just key>value pairs as you hypothesized |
| 02:27.33 | mbutUbuntu01 | sorry |
| 02:27.50 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 02:27.51 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 02:27.53 | mbutUbuntu01 | I thought I was on debian-it |
| 02:27.58 | Guerin | ;) |
| 02:27.59 | mbutUbuntu01 | :-D |
| 02:28.00 | Vasistha | mbutUbuntu01: try #ubuntu-it |
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| 02:28.18 | donaldo | ugh... i really don't want to upgrade this system to the new debian stable right now... but it seems vsftpd is not available in the debian repository as it was the last time i ran apt-get update |
| 02:28.32 | mbutUbuntu01 | yeah, it exists.... but I forgot "-it" |
| 02:28.43 | Guerin | donaldo: it's deinitely in stable and ol\dstable |
| 02:28.44 | donaldo | oh good, network is unreachable |
| 02:28.50 | donaldo | that's a much better error |
| 02:28.52 | Guerin | i know because I ran it for nearly two years |
| 02:28.55 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:29.02 | Gnea | donaldo: is it really? :) |
| 02:29.13 | Vasistha | donaldo: it looks to me like it's there ... oldstable, vsftpd 2.0.3-1 |
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| 02:29.32 | donaldo | Gnea: somehow domain name lookup is succeeding, but i can't access the outside network... oh i guess it sends the DNS request to the router and the router has no trouble |
| 02:29.48 | paroneayea | hehe, somehow I think this is wrong :) |
| 02:29.54 | paroneayea | apt-get install gossip says: |
| 02:29.59 | paroneayea | After unpacking 12.6MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 02:30.03 | Vasistha | whoa, debian has hurd-i386 and kfreebsd-i386 ports! |
| 02:31.07 | Gnea | donaldo: see if it's really up or down: www.level3.com/LookingGlass/ |
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| 02:31.27 | Guerin | Down: 1161.2 KB |
| 02:31.35 | Guerin | i love fast interwebs |
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| 02:31.50 | Gnea | if level3 can't see it, it's probably offline |
| 02:31.54 | mbutUbuntu01 | even if I'm not on debian-it, I ask you help me... :-) |
| 02:32.07 | Vasistha | mbutUbuntu01: what version of debian are you using? |
| 02:32.30 | mbutUbuntu01 | I have a problem with wine, when I launch winecfg and I go in the audio section, the program crashes |
| 02:32.47 | Vasistha | mbutUbuntu01: better ask #wine ... we're not wine experts here |
| 02:32.49 | mbutUbuntu01 | VaLouille, Kubuntu 6.10... sorry I don't use pure debian... |
| 02:32.53 | mbutUbuntu01 | :-D |
| 02:33.00 | paroneayea | mbutUbuntu01: see topic |
| 02:33.01 | Gnea | mbutUbuntu01: we support ONLY pure debian here. |
| 02:33.02 | Vasistha | mbutUbuntu01: also, we do not support ubuntu here. |
| 02:33.10 | Gnea | mbutUbuntu01: respect it or be forced to leave. |
| 02:33.14 | mbutUbuntu01 | I'm sorry.... |
| 02:33.21 | paroneayea | Gnea: no need to be hostile :P |
| 02:33.24 | Gnea | !kubuntu |
| 02:33.25 | dpkg | i guess kubuntu is ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, or #Kubuntu, or another debian ripoff |
| 02:33.42 | Gnea | paroneayea: we've already been nice, that didn't work. |
| 02:33.51 | mbutUbuntu01 | only another question..... I've never used pure debian.... but what're the differences with ubuntu?? |
| 02:34.00 | Vasistha | !tell mbutUbuntu01 about based on debian |
| 02:34.25 | paroneayea | mbutUbuntu01: for one thing, debian doesn't ship with so much proprietary garbage |
| 02:34.26 | Guerin | mbutUbuntu01: too numerous to enumerate |
| 02:34.26 | Gnea | !tell mbutUbuntu01 about ubuntu |
| 02:34.30 | donaldo | Gnea: heh, i'm on the same LAN as the other system is |
| 02:34.34 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 02:34.35 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 02:34.37 | Guerin | paroneayea: that's the main one, true. |
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| 02:34.57 | abhi | does debian have kde? |
| 02:35.01 | Guerin | mbutUbuntu01: ubuntu broke binary compatibility after about six months, and at that point there was really no hope |
| 02:35.02 | Vasistha | abhi: yes |
| 02:35.03 | Gnea | abhi: yes. |
| 02:35.12 | abhi | thanks |
| 02:35.14 | Guerin | abhi: of course, debian has more software than any other OS, ever |
| 02:35.18 | Guerin | proprietary or otherwise |
| 02:35.24 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 02:35.25 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 02:35.35 | Gnea | paroneayea: it's better to be hostile than to give misleading information. there's nothing proprietary about *ubuntu. |
| 02:35.40 | abhi | but the softwares are not upto date. |
| 02:35.46 | mbutUbuntu01 | I'll download debian... :-) |
| 02:35.53 | Guerin | since 2.0 it has grown several orders of magnitude |
| 02:36.14 | Vasistha | abhi: well, if you want up-to-date, then you can run testing, or unstable, or another distribution. If you want a rock-solid system that's easy to maintain, debian stable is the way to go. |
| 02:36.27 | mbutUbuntu01 | the X server is inside it?? because some days before today, I downloaded and installed freeBSD...... oh my god... :-D |
| 02:36.49 | Guerin | mbutUbuntu01: wtf |
| 02:36.56 | Gnea | most unicies did not include X setup by default before a couple years ago |
| 02:37.00 | abhi | Visistha: Can i get latest updates for debian stable version? |
| 02:37.09 | Gnea | it's always been text-based |
| 02:37.39 | Skipp_OSX | a couple meaning like 5 |
| 02:38.01 | Vasistha | abhi: "debian stable" is not about the "latest updates". |
| 02:38.10 | Gnea | abhi: apt-get update |
| 02:38.17 | mbutUbuntu01 | goodnight debian-users |
| 02:38.21 | abhi | ok. |
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| 02:39.05 | Skipp_OSX | wow, I can only imagine what #ubuntu is like |
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| 02:39.36 | pdf | can anyone tell me whats with this desktop junk.. how can i get into the 'shell' command line? |
| 02:39.49 | Vasistha | abhi: that said ... debian "testing" is a pretty stable system; even "unstable" has been known to work very stably for a number of users. However, if you don't know very much about debian or linux, it's not advisable to running testing/unstable, because maintaining your system will be quite a bit more difficult, and packages *will* break from time to time. what I mean by "stable" is that the system shouldn't crash. |
| 02:39.56 | apk | pdf: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 02:39.56 | arencinosa | pdf: huh? |
| 02:40.23 | arencinosa | pdf: are you on gnome? kde? etc? |
| 02:40.23 | pdf | thank you apk |
| 02:40.24 | abhi | Visistha: thanks. |
| 02:40.25 | Skipp_OSX | I think that maybe perhaps apk was joking |
| 02:40.35 | pdf | arencinosa, whatever etch installed... :[ |
| 02:40.45 | pdf | he wasnt Skipp_OSX |
| 02:40.56 | Skipp_OSX | =O |
| 02:40.59 | arencinosa | pdf: oh, ok, then apk was not joking :) |
| 02:41.03 | Vasistha | abhi: try typing "vas" <TAB> |
| 02:41.04 | apk | ApTek: I wasn't joking. It worked, didn't it? |
| 02:41.09 | mynullvoid | I tried ncftp -u user 192.168.0.1 it's not working |
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| 02:41.23 | daeos | im using a base install of jabber server via the debian package, does this jabber server support chat rooms? i've asked #jabber but got nothing for an answer |
| 02:41.31 | abhi | Vasistha: wow....... |
| 02:41.41 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: I thought you said you were ftp-ing into someone else's server? |
| 02:41.48 | Vasistha | abhi: "you're welcome" ;) |
| 02:41.52 | Gnea | wetawded. |
| 02:42.03 | mynullvoid | yes I am |
| 02:42.13 | Gnea | we taught it! |
| 02:42.15 | rob3r | good night. Can somebody help me, I need know how i can create a mirror of debian using cd or dvd |
| 02:42.17 | daeos | .... |
| 02:42.18 | mynullvoid | I am using ncftp as the client |
| 02:42.20 | daeos | o man |
| 02:42.37 | daeos | mynullvoid: what is the ip or domain name of the ftp server you are connecting to |
| 02:42.41 | Gnea | mynullvoid: what about lftp or ftp? |
| 02:42.48 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: then why are you trying to ftp into a server on the local network? |
| 02:43.00 | mynullvoid | 192.168.0.1, but I need to use a username |
| 02:43.01 | arencinosa | rob3r: what do you need specifically? |
| 02:43.13 | daeos | 192.168.0.1 ... that would be a router ip |
| 02:43.15 | mynullvoid | the IP is just testing |
| 02:43.18 | Gnea | mynullvoid: try user@192.168.0.1 |
| 02:43.30 | Gnea | daeos: it would? |
| 02:43.34 | rob3r | Gnea, create a local mirror from dvd source |
| 02:43.37 | Gnea | daeos: how so? |
| 02:43.52 | mynullvoid | noError: Invalid command. |
| 02:44.00 | daeos | Gnea: routers default to 10.0.0.1, 192.168.1.1, .0.1 , .2.1 .3.1 |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | daeos: my router can't be 192.168.0.100 ? |
| 02:44.02 | Gnea | rob3r: i don't have the rom right now |
| 02:44.07 | daeos | abrotman: default |
| 02:44.07 | Gnea | room* |
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| 02:44.14 | draeath | Anyone know how to make konqueror open a link on in a new tab on middle-mouse-click instead of a new window? |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | daeos: not all routers |
| 02:44.15 | mynullvoid | how on earth I login as a user using ncftp? |
| 02:44.27 | rob3r | Gnea, ? |
| 02:44.29 | Gnea | daeos: that doesn't mean that it's a router. those ip's are part of private addressing space. |
| 02:44.31 | daeos | abrotman: name a residential router that doesn't |
| 02:44.42 | abrotman | what makes you think it's a residential router? |
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| 02:45.16 | Gnea | daeos: i could setup a system on a lan and give it 192.168.0.1 and it could be a dns host, nothing more |
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| 02:45.24 | Vasistha | draeath: no, but it may be somewhere in the settings that you want the *default* behavior to be to open new tabs rather than new windows |
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| 02:45.34 | mynullvoid | when I open 192.168.0.1 it says login incorrect |
| 02:45.47 | mynullvoid | i haven't put username and password |
| 02:45.50 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: are you running an ftp server at 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 02:45.50 | Gnea | mynullvoid: what does the logfile on the server say? |
| 02:45.54 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 02:45.57 | LinuxNIT | can i change what temperature the fan comes on at on my laptop? |
| 02:46.12 | mynullvoid | Vasistha: 192.168.0.1 is a sample only, there is a ftp server |
| 02:46.15 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: yes |
| 02:46.21 | LinuxNIT | how? |
| 02:46.23 | mynullvoid | the problem is I don't know how to use ncftp |
| 02:46.37 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: depends what you're using |
| 02:46.56 | Gnea | mynullvoid: do you know how to use ftp? |
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| 02:47.05 | pdf | uhh, i totally forgot, but OpenSSH is the application used for creating an SSH server, correct? |
| 02:47.10 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: well, it looked like you had the correct login line |
| 02:47.10 | mynullvoid | Gnea: yes I do |
| 02:47.11 | LinuxNIT | well at the moment i have powernowd installed... but i can use something else if its better/easier |
| 02:47.16 | Gnea | pdf: yes |
| 02:47.22 | Gnea | mynullvoid: then why use ncftp? |
| 02:47.27 | pdf | Gnea: thanks |
| 02:47.43 | mynullvoid | because ftp can't recursive upload all my folder and subfolders |
| 02:47.54 | daeos | abrotman: i see what he is saying now.. he doesn't want to give the ip of the server out |
| 02:47.56 | Gnea | mynullvoid: why not? |
| 02:48.06 | mynullvoid | Gnea: I tried mput * it copied only my files |
| 02:48.06 | abrotman | daeos: do i get a cookie? :) |
| 02:48.11 | Gnea | daeos: there's nothing wrong with that. |
| 02:48.25 | mynullvoid | Gnea: ftp? can recursively copy my folders and subfolders? how? |
| 02:48.37 | daeos | Gnea: never said that |
| 02:48.42 | daeos | abrotman: yeah you do |
| 02:48.45 | daeos | !cookie abrotman |
| 02:48.49 | Gnea | daeos: it seemed implied. |
| 02:48.49 | Guerin | kitten v mouse! |
| 02:48.51 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: well... my other advice was to look up your ftp documentation and find the "recursive" option |
| 02:48.56 | Guerin | prace your bets! |
| 02:49.08 | Guerin | or use lftp |
| 02:49.20 | Guerin | abrotman: it's a fair bet |
| 02:49.26 | Gnea | daeos: lftp is a good option as well... ncftp is a bit hokey |
| 02:49.33 | Guerin | Danger has not yet mastered the predatory arts |
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| 02:50.00 | mynullvoid | Vasistha: I can't find it |
| 02:50.07 | Gnea | Guerin: who? |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | the cat is named Danger .. the mouse named Mouse ? |
| 02:50.13 | LinuxNIT | Gnea, do you have a recommended program? |
| 02:50.15 | daeos | abrotman: old school |
| 02:50.23 | abrotman | old fart :) |
| 02:50.24 | mynullvoid | Vasistha: If I found how to recursively upload my folders and sub, I won't be trying to use ncftp |
| 02:50.29 | Guerin | Gnea: Danger is kitten #1 |
| 02:50.35 | daeos | abrotman: watched that in germany on afn back in the 80s |
| 02:50.36 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: first of all, get something that reads temperatures |
| 02:50.42 | Guerin | the mouse is just called mousey at this point |
| 02:50.54 | Gnea | LinuxNIT: like acpi or lmsensors |
| 02:51.11 | LinuxNIT | i have acpi installed at the moment |
| 02:51.43 | Gnea | Guerin: ah. kitty has yet to learn that plastic bags are not litterbox substitutes. |
| 02:51.52 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: heh, indeed! maybe you just made a typo? Are you certain you got everything right? |
| 02:52.01 | Gnea | Guerin: chip, that is |
| 02:52.17 | mynullvoid | Vasistha: yes |
| 02:52.34 | fsteves | You know, Ive never had the kernel freeze one me in 5 years, and since Etch's 2.6.18-4-686-(w or w/o bigmem) ive had over 10 freezes in 3 days |
| 02:52.57 | Guerin | Gnea: the joy of kittens |
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| 02:53.02 | Wyzard | fsteves: I've been using 2.6.18 for ages... no problems here |
| 02:53.22 | pdf | Gnea: What is the latest version. I try to get 4.6p1. and nothing is in it :( |
| 02:53.24 | fsteves | Wyzard: Ive compiled 2.6.18 and run it under Sarge, never had an issue either |
| 02:53.27 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: you know, I ran into a problem somewhat recently with a host, where they started requiring -u user@host host ... so, e.g., I had to do: ncftp -u david@example.com example.com |
| 02:53.47 | fsteves | i have a feeling its a hardware issue |
| 02:53.47 | apk | fsteves: Maybe you have a hardware problem? |
| 02:53.52 | fsteves | hehe |
| 02:54.03 | Amarande | I had hardware die on me the other day |
| 02:54.12 | apk | fsteves: Do you use fglrx by any chance? |
| 02:54.24 | Vasistha | fsteves: interesting. I've also had 2.6.18 freeze on me, when unloading some wireless modules or ejecting the wireless pcmcia card |
| 02:54.26 | Wyzard | fsteves: I'm using 2.6.18-4-amd64 on this box right now, and was using 2.6.18-4-686 on my laptop until yesterday (when I upgraded to 2.6.20) |
| 02:54.34 | Wyzard | fsteves: Prior to that I used 2.6.18-3 |
| 02:55.11 | Gnea | pdf: apt-cache show ssh |
| 02:55.33 | pdf | Gnea: thanks friend :>? |
| 02:56.07 | phasegen | does anyone know of a good usb wireless adapter that works out of the box? |
| 02:56.13 | fsteves | im going to compile from source |
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| 02:56.24 | fsteves | the debian way, and see how that goes |
| 02:56.34 | daeos | i downloaded and installed jabber, and im trying to see if making chat rooms/conferences work but when i try with my gaim client the room never gets made, and i can't even determine if im making it on my server ... or somewhere else |
| 02:56.36 | Gnea | phasegen: linksys |
| 02:56.42 | Vasistha | phasegen: usb wireless adapters tend not to be as well supported as pci / pc card ... but you should check the hardware compatibility lists |
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| 02:57.14 | phasegen | which linksys and which lists? |
| 02:57.25 | Gnea | !wireless |
| 02:57.25 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 02:58.15 | mynullvoid | Vasistha: I entered the correct password, but rejected saying invalid |
| 02:58.45 | Gnea | mynullvoid: again, what does the logfile on the ftpserver have to say about it? |
| 02:59.01 | mynullvoid | I am not running the ftpserver |
| 02:59.08 | Gnea | who is? |
| 02:59.08 | mynullvoid | shit |
| 02:59.09 | pdf | Gnea: And to start it? ...sorry im being so stupid right now |
| 02:59.16 | mynullvoid | ok talking lftp now |
| 02:59.17 | fsteves | 2.6.8 ran without a hitch for almost 16 months (i created that hitch). Im going to start at the logs, maybe I have something worth submitting here |
| 02:59.23 | pdf | Gnea.. not the install, the ssh server itself. |
| 02:59.33 | Gnea | pdf: just apt-get install ssh and that'll take care of it |
| 02:59.42 | mynullvoid | can lftp do a recursive upload of folders and sub? if yes besides than mput * what else I need |
| 02:59.58 | Gnea | pdf: oh - /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 03:00.20 | pdf | gnea: thanks. yes. init.d is where all the apps are stored. |
| 03:00.25 | Gnea | mynullvoid: try this: help mirror |
| 03:00.44 | mynullvoid | exit |
| 03:01.05 | Gnea | it almost feels like a sunday in here |
| 03:01.14 | stoned | oh man |
| 03:01.20 | Gnea | but these are all legit problems |
| 03:01.22 | stoned | I hate morons on irc |
| 03:01.26 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 03:01.28 | stoned | not here.. just in general |
| 03:01.32 | Gnea | HAHAHAHAHHHA |
| 03:01.39 | Gnea | !beer stoned |
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| 03:02.55 | pdf | Gnea... Hmm. for some reason /etc/init.d/ssh will not 'ssh start' ..but i look under ps table, and /usr/sbin/sshd is started, is that the same process |
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| 03:03.19 | fenriz | is port 22 open? |
| 03:03.21 | Gnea | pdf: likely, start will only work if it's been stopped |
| 03:03.40 | tyh_126 | can i get some answer for debian 4.0? |
| 03:03.41 | Gnea | !tell pdf about newbiedoc |
| 03:03.49 | Gnea | tyh_126: only if you ask. |
| 03:03.52 | Vasistha | a litre?? that's a big glass of beer |
| 03:04.04 | pdf | Gnea: I go into init.d/ and i type ssh, but thats only for going into ssh servers.. cause it only gives the commands like -h -p and stuff |
| 03:04.23 | Gnea | Vasistha: we don't fuck around these here parts ;) |
| 03:05.02 | tyh_126 | how to install my mx400 for nv company's dirver? |
| 03:05.05 | Gnea | pdf: check out that link that dpkg just sent you |
| 03:05.15 | Gnea | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:05.15 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 03:05.22 | Gnea | tyh_126: there you go, it's that simple. |
| 03:05.38 | Wyzard | pdf: cd'ing to /etc/init.d and typing "ssh" does not run the /etc/init.d/ssh script |
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| 03:05.47 | Wyzard | pdf: it runs /usr/bin/ssh, the client |
| 03:05.58 | Gnea | Wyzard: that's not a client, that's an initscript |
| 03:05.59 | pdf | Wyzard.. thats how i took it when gnea told me :{ |
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| 03:06.04 | fenriz | what's pdf trying to do? |
| 03:06.10 | Wyzard | Gnea: /usr/bin/ssh is the client |
| 03:06.12 | pdf | trying to get my ssh server on |
| 03:06.12 | Gnea | fenriz: learn linux |
| 03:06.22 | Wyzard | pdf: You want to run, literally, "/etc/init.d/ssh start" |
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| 03:06.26 | Gnea | Wyzard: exactly. |
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| 03:06.30 | Darfur | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.33 | helfrez | ive had nothing but probems with nvidia drivers and my 7900gs lol locks up on a regular basis |
| 03:06.40 | Gnea | Darfur: no. |
| 03:06.48 | Wyzard | pdf: The current directory isn't on the default search path, so being in the /etc/init.d directory doesn't mean that it runs the script there when you type "ssh" |
| 03:06.57 | fenriz | if what wyzard said doesn't work check the ouptut of the input chain in iptables -L |
| 03:07.00 | tyh_126 | the mx400 is gf2.... |
| 03:07.02 | Gnea | Darfur: gmail is free now, where have you been? |
| 03:07.06 | fsteves | uhg, i cant even get thru a tar jxvf of the kernel source without having the kernel hang |
| 03:07.11 | Gnea | tyh_126: an nvidia is an nvidia |
| 03:07.19 | Gnea | tyh_126: read this... |
| 03:07.21 | Wyzard | fsteves: That does sound like a hardware issue to me |
| 03:07.26 | Gnea | !tell tyh_126 about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:07.37 | |HellTiger| | !tell me |
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| 03:07.52 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:07.59 | |HellTiger| | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:08.12 | |HellTiger| | !help |
| 03:08.36 | fsteves | thank god fsck.* has gotten SO much better in the last 4 years lol |
| 03:09.06 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 03:09.06 | fsteves | im not afraid to hit the reset button |
| 03:09.07 | Wyzard | tyh_126: For a geforce2 you want the nvidia-legacy driver, not the regular nvidia one |
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| 03:10.20 | tyh_126 | thanks |
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| 03:11.13 | pdf | Wyzard, fenriz.. neither of it turned it on. when i type /etc/init.d/ssh start.. it says 'starting openssh secure server' but then just goes back into the initial directory. no errors or anything, but when i try to ssh into it on this computer, no go. |
| 03:11.32 | pdf | i will look at the link gnea gave me |
| 03:12.09 | fenriz | pdf: just times out? |
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| 03:12.32 | fsteves | pdf: Did you try to login to the loopback address (ssh user@localhost) |
| 03:12.52 | pdf | 'connection refused it says. this probably means the system does not provide the service your trying to access' |
| 03:13.21 | fenriz | type netstat -an does it show port 22 as listening? |
| 03:14.06 | pdf | nope. but my monitor isnt big. maybe it cut off ? |
| 03:14.13 | fenriz | netstat -an |more |
| 03:14.51 | fsteves | Second, if behind a soho router, have you enabled that IP of the server for DMZ and any other "Virtual Server" settings for it (Linksys,Dlink,Netgear) |
| 03:15.14 | pdf | yes it is listening on 22 from what i see. but doesnt display an ip. just '0 :::22" |
| 03:15.26 | pdf | i remember a long time ago there was a built in linux firewall |
| 03:15.30 | pdf | a command to run it |
| 03:15.33 | pdf | i forgot |
| 03:15.47 | fenriz | iptables -L see if input says anything other than Accept for port 22 |
| 03:16.21 | pdf | it doesnt display anything about ssh or port 22 'iptables -L' |
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| 03:16.49 | fenriz | what's the policy for input? |
| 03:16.59 | pdf | i dont know |
| 03:17.04 | fenriz | iptables -L |
| 03:17.36 | fenriz | right next to where it says input |
| 03:17.40 | pdf | oh haha. Policy ACCEPT |
| 03:17.49 | pdf | sorry fenriz |
| 03:17.51 | fenriz | it's not being blocked then |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 03:17.54 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 03:18.41 | fenriz | look in /var/log/messages and /var/log/daemon.log for anything related to ssh |
| 03:18.55 | Vasistha | "please read ..." -- what's the rest??? :( |
| 03:19.29 | pdf | fenriz.. i just did the ssh command thing for user@host.. it isconnected there.. maybe on this machine i shouldnt use 127.0.0.1 but the real ip? |
| 03:20.00 | fenriz | ya then try user@ip |
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| 03:21.04 | pdf | fenriz omg... i didnt put 127.0.0.1 but that computers internal ip and it worked.. :{ |
| 03:21.24 | fenriz | what were you trying before? |
| 03:21.49 | fsteves | pdf: sshd will listen on what you tell it to listen on |
| 03:21.49 | abrotman | Vasistha: fixed .. i took out the bit about ipchains .. since anyone who knows what ipchains is .. should know how to use iptables :) |
| 03:22.03 | pdf | fenriz. on my xp machine {this system} I was in securecrt trying 127.0.0.1 cause 127 is the local ip |
| 03:22.14 | pdf | but |
| 03:22.27 | pdf | i did 192.168.1.104 {the debian machine internal ip) and it wroeked |
| 03:22.28 | fenriz | you were trying to connect to that system then |
| 03:22.30 | fsteves | pdf: 127.0.0.1 is a loopback address |
| 03:22.33 | fenriz | yep |
| 03:22.46 | fsteves | hehe, happens :) |
| 03:22.48 | pdf | fsteves: I thought it was for all. oops! |
| 03:23.22 | Vasistha | abrotman: ah, yes, good instructions, indeed, thanks! I have seen though ... yet it still remains far too complicated, and I find myself stuck with guarddog :P |
| 03:23.25 | pdf | now i must read about securing my system. i just ssh'd using a regular user account and i can do everything without root and thats bad |
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| 03:23.33 | pdf | ;[ |
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| 03:23.39 | Vasistha | have seem *them |
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| 03:24.08 | fenriz | iptables isn't really all that hard, just experiment, make sure you setup rules for localhost and state in your input chain |
| 03:24.25 | fenriz | and make damn sure you have console access to the system you're working on till you know what you're doiong |
| 03:24.28 | fenriz | doin |
| 03:24.29 | fenriz | g |
| 03:24.31 | fenriz | damn |
| 03:25.20 | Vasistha | yeah, probably not ... but I have a pretty fancy, exotic setup, which was soo easy with guarddog. After reading those instructions, I can't even begin to cognize how I would do that setup using the raw iptables interface. |
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| 03:26.51 | fenriz | just take it one line at a time, look at your config and study it. Once you understand what each line does then you should be ok |
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| 03:27.34 | Vasistha | true. when I have 5 hours and am feeling very patient and have a desire to do so... I will try and learn iptables ;) |
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| 03:28.37 | tyh_126 | and i have a problem , i cann't get some package from debian.cn99.com |
| 03:28.52 | Noboru | hi guys,good morning |
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| 03:30.25 | Vasistha | tyh_126: what package is that? |
| 03:30.58 | tyh_126 | http://debian.cn99.com etch/main Sources/DiffIndex |
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| 03:31.02 | fsteves | iptables isn't too bad, but when you start messing with NAT, it starts getting deep, especially when you forget to check certain tables, beacues iptables -L doesnt list NAT and other things |
| 03:31.05 | Noboru | tyh_126, hi, chinese ? |
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| 03:31.22 | Noboru | tyh_126, that cn99 is built by chinese guys,no ? |
| 03:31.25 | tyh_126 | yes,i'm chinese |
| 03:31.31 | fenriz | true if you want to list a nat table it's iptables -t nat -L |
| 03:31.41 | fenriz | or mangle then -t mangle |
| 03:31.44 | fenriz | etc... |
| 03:31.59 | tyh_126 | yes. cn99 was a chinese built. |
| 03:32.01 | Noboru | nice,that cn99 usually has fast connecting speeds,it belongs to the chinse XI-network,if i recall correctlyu |
| 03:32.15 | tyh_126 | http://debian.cn99.com etch/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 03:32.21 | fenriz | hey speaking of iptables, is it 2.6.20 that has the route target added? |
| 03:32.38 | tyh_126 | http://debian.cn99.com etch/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 03:32.49 | Noboru | tyh_126, i would think if some packages were missing at cn99.com,that probably means they didn't up2date |
| 03:33.01 | tyh_126 | http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources/DiffIndex |
| 03:33.23 | tyh_126 | oh,and this :http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Sources/DiffIndex |
| 03:33.38 | rob3r | can somebody help me, i need create a debian mirror from dvd or cd source |
| 03:33.43 | Noboru | i would think,always use the officialy security tree |
| 03:33.47 | tyh_126 | http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex |
| 03:34.02 | Vasistha | rob3r: huh, that's an interesting task. What exactly are you trying to achieve, and why? |
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| 03:34.16 | Noboru | get those normal packages by using whatever a mirror you want,and use the debian security apt tree,yeah |
| 03:34.28 | Vasistha | tyh_126: maybe you should use a pastebin |
| 03:34.31 | tyh_126 | i don't know ,why cann;t get there...... |
| 03:34.45 | tyh_126 | pastebin? |
| 03:34.46 | rob3r | i like a local repository, i do no have internet conection to do the http or ftp mirror |
| 03:34.52 | tyh_126 | what is it? |
| 03:35.06 | fenriz | tyh_126: every so often I get the same problem but it usually goes away after a bit |
| 03:35.06 | rob3r | Vasistha, i like a local repository, i do no have internet conection to do the http or ftp mirror |
| 03:35.09 | fenriz | gremlin |
| 03:35.39 | rob3r | Vasistha, i have the three debian dvd |
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| 03:36.07 | rob3r | vasistha, and is for a computing room |
| 03:36.08 | pdf | hmm |
| 03:36.25 | fsteves | rob3r: like debootstrapped chrooted mirror customized for yourself? |
| 03:36.35 | Vasistha | rob3r: well, if you have the iso's, and you're going to copy them to your hard drive anyway, why don't you just use the .iso's and loopback mount them? |
| 03:36.43 | pdf | How do I get back into the desktop. alt+ctrl+f1 dont seem to work ? |
| 03:36.49 | Vasistha | pdf: ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 03:36.54 | Noboru | tyh_126, http://rafb.net/paste/ for example,means avoid posting losts of links to this debian channel,it's a waste of ... heh |
| 03:37.11 | fenriz | pdf: the gui? ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 03:37.44 | tyh_126 | oh, |
| 03:38.18 | pdf | ok thanks. |
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| 03:38.22 | jester45 | is there easy way to remove the standard install and DE so im left with only a cli, i just did a net install and this is my first debian install so i just went with defualts but i think the defualts are to bloated for me |
| 03:38.31 | rob3r | Vasistha, no is for one computer only, is for 30 - 40 lan computers |
| 03:38.33 | tyh_126 | it likes sent bug? |
| 03:39.02 | rob3r | Fsteves, i do not understand your question, i do not speak english very well |
| 03:39.14 | fsteves | !debootstrap |
| 03:39.14 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 03:39.23 | Vasistha | rob3r: sure, so loopback mount them and do a network share ... well, I see you point, a repo would be best. Let me see if I can find that repo howto |
| 03:39.31 | Vasistha | *your point |
| 03:39.47 | fenriz | jester45: base-config might work, been a while since I did anything like that |
| 03:40.01 | tyh_126 | thanksa |
| 03:40.19 | rob3r | Vasistha, yes, but share only one iso, i need a real repository |
| 03:40.21 | jester45 | how much would i have to redownload to just reinstall without the extra packages |
| 03:40.21 | fsteves | sorry rob3r, i think im wrong |
| 03:40.35 | Vasistha | jester45: you could just use aptitude to remove X, etc. |
| 03:40.43 | fenriz | depends on what you mean by extra |
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| 03:41.12 | clearance | hey guys |
| 03:41.12 | rob3r | Vasistha, i try using apt-mirror, but fail, and debmirror i think that not works |
| 03:41.13 | fenriz | true removing x will remove alot |
| 03:41.17 | daeos | repeat: i downloaded and installed jabber, and im trying to see if making chat rooms/conferences work but when i try with my gaim client the room never gets made, and i can't even determine if im making it on my server ... or somewhere else |
| 03:41.27 | jester45 | fenriz: i want to remove all gui apps and install my own as i need them |
| 03:41.51 | clearance | trying to setup my old configuration having a debian with 2 NICs forward internet access from the router its connected to via dhcpd and forwarding |
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| 03:42.07 | clearance | i think my dhcpd.conf is wrong, would you mind walking me through this simple mess |
| 03:42.11 | jzxu | hmm, the etch install kinda just worked |
| 03:42.11 | Vasistha | rob3r: and you want to have the entire debian repository available to all these machines? Have you considered apt-proxy? |
| 03:42.18 | jzxu | I'm actually pretty disappointed |
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| 03:42.28 | jzxu | I was looking forward to a night of head banging |
| 03:42.41 | clearance | the router ip is 10.0.11.1, eth1 is used to connect to it and gets an ip via dhcp |
| 03:42.51 | clearance | eth0 servers the other comps |
| 03:42.53 | rob3r | Vasistha, yes, thats the point. No, how works? |
| 03:43.25 | clearance | i tried setting it's ip to 10.0.11.200 and dhcpd to server 10.0.11.201-255 with option router 10.0.11.1 |
| 03:43.28 | clearance | what am i doing wrong |
| 03:44.07 | Vasistha | rob3r: Basically, you have one server, which acts as a proxy to a number of clients. Whenever any of the clients wants to install something, it requests it from the server. If the server already has it, great! If not, the server will fetch it from the official repos. It sounds like exactly what you need. http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:44.10 | ice63 | how can i connect to paltalk server useing irssi ? |
| 03:44.49 | Vasistha | ice63: I don't use irssi, but I'm going to guess: /connect paltalk.com |
| 03:44.59 | rob3r | Vasistha, a proxy is not good, but if i have a package not downloaded to the server, is not "disponible" for the client |
| 03:45.32 | Vasistha | rob3r: I don't understand. What language is that, "disponsible"? french? |
| 03:45.34 | manu_hack | I couldn't mount my dvdrom, it's burnt as data in M$, what type should I use? |
| 03:45.53 | Vasistha | manu_hack: prolly udf |
| 03:46.04 | rob3r | Vasistha, spanish |
| 03:46.14 | Vasistha | manu_hack: err, wait, uhm, maybe not. try type auto? |
| 03:46.21 | rob3r | Vasistha, "disponible" |
| 03:47.24 | manu_hack | vasistha, doesn't work ... |
| 03:47.49 | Vasistha | rob3r: http://www.freedict.com/onldict/spa.html says that's "available" ... heh, ahh! Well, will the server be connected to the internet? Or, do you need to get everything downloaded so your entire network will be offline? |
| 03:48.17 | Master_Medic | hello |
| 03:48.25 | manu_hack | vasistha, should it be nfs? but when I use nfs, it said directory to mount not in host:dir format |
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| 03:48.59 | Master_Medic | when i was installing debian i manually edited the partition table |
| 03:48.59 | rob3r | vasistha, no, the server do not have internet conection |
| 03:48.59 | fsteves | qubits: What kind of device is DHCP serving? A switch, or another PC |
| 03:48.59 | Master_Medic | i made /, /boot, /home, and swap partitions |
| 03:48.59 | Vasistha | manu_hack: maybe you want ntfs, although that's probably not going to work on a cd. nfs is sun's network file system |
| 03:49.08 | Master_Medic | now later on it is saying that the swap partition found is not active and cannot be used |
| 03:49.20 | Master_Medic | and that its going to find some other partition to use |
| 03:49.28 | Vasistha | manu_hack: the only things I would know would be udf or iso9660 ... if it's not one of those, maybe it was a bad burn? |
| 03:49.34 | fenriz | is swap in fstab? |
| 03:49.41 | Master_Medic | should i continue without a valid swap partition or now |
| 03:49.43 | Vasistha | !tell Master_Medic -about enter |
| 03:49.46 | Master_Medic | i'm not sure its still installing |
| 03:50.05 | Master_Medic | or not* |
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| 03:50.23 | Master_Medic | fenriz, its still in the installation process |
| 03:50.44 | manu_hack | vasistha, can I use ntfs-3g? |
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| 03:51.27 | qubits | fsteves: all PCs |
| 03:51.32 | Master_Medic | "The swap partition that was found in uswsusp's configuration file is not active. In most cases this means userspace software suspend will not work for you and you will need to choose (or let uswsup choose) another parition. In some corner cases however, this can be what you want. Continue without a valid swap partition?" |
| 03:51.45 | farseer_ | hey, um.. i don't know if this is a bug. but ksim is not possible to start... debian 4.0, it's installed but "whereis ksim" gives nothing |
| 03:51.47 | pdf | alt+ctrl+f7 dont work fellows :) |
| 03:51.51 | qubits | im trying eth1 dhcp (10.0.11.101), eth0 (internal network) static 10.0.10.101 |
| 03:51.57 | Master_Medic | yet i created a 512M logical swap partition |
| 03:52.07 | qubits | now all i need is to set dhcpd.conf right it hink |
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| 03:52.20 | fenriz | does swap need to be on a primary partition? |
| 03:52.20 | rob3r | vasistha, if i copy the pool dir from the dvd? |
| 03:52.35 | Master_Medic | fenriz, thats what i'm not sure about :/ |
| 03:52.46 | Vasistha | rob3r: ahh. well, your original question was very well stated, indeed! Well, there's this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html although it is somewhat complicated. I'm not really sure how the dvd's are set up; you might need to do some semi-fancy copying to get all the pools integrated together; or, you could just network-share the 3 dvd iso's, which would probably be simpler to set up |
| 03:53.00 | qubits | should option router be 10.0.11.1 (the routing pc eth1 is connected to) |
| 03:53.04 | scx | !arigato |
| 03:53.22 | donaldo | how ought i restart vsftpd? |
| 03:53.41 | qubits | i know it would be easier to add a subnet to that router and a network card but i only have on crossover so im using this PCs gigbit ethernet to connect to the others gigabit which wlil swap the port for me |
| 03:53.57 | pdf | donaldo, the same way they told me to start ssh, but this. '/etc/init.d/vsftpd restart' |
| 03:53.59 | qubits | donaldo: try /etc/init.d/ scripts |
| 03:54.03 | rob3r | Vasistha, thank you |
| 03:54.15 | donaldo | qubits, pdf: thanks |
| 03:54.19 | Vasistha | rob3r: the "right" way to do it would be to get the pools integrated, create your Packages, Packages.gz and Release and set up an apt-key with Release.gpg ... it's a bit of work ;) |
| 03:54.33 | BUMBACL0T | donaldo, are you using vsftpd too? do you mind if i pm you real quick? |
| 03:54.42 | donaldo | not at all |
| 03:54.58 | qubits | fsteves: are you available to assist atm |
| 03:55.22 | qubits | i think i just need to match the dhcpd subnet with my interfaces file |
| 03:55.54 | pdf | Vasistha: alt+Ctrl+f7 dont work to get back into the gui.. |
| 03:56.31 | Vasistha | pdf: what happens if you press alt+right arrow? |
| 03:56.51 | qubits | thanks Vasistha |
| 03:56.53 | pdf | Vasistha; an error beep :) |
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| 03:57.05 | qubits | i was looking for the debian equiv of control-tab |
| 03:57.11 | fenriz | pdf: is x still running? |
| 03:57.13 | Vasistha | pdf: runlevel ? |
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| 03:57.37 | pdf | fenriz... I dont think im using x? is that what etch installed? |
| 03:57.39 | Vasistha | qubits: maybe f6 ... depends on the app |
| 03:57.51 | qubits | konversation |
| 03:57.53 | qubits | and gaim i think |
| 03:57.59 | qubits | works for konversation |
| 03:58.14 | qubits | i want gtk-bitchx |
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| 03:58.33 | fenriz | pdf: depends if you installed it but if you were running in a gui then yes |
| 03:58.49 | pdf | fenriz, ok then yes. |
| 03:59.03 | Vasistha | qubits: thing is, ctrl-tab is used to switch desktops in most linux de's, so it's kinda unavailable. So, the alternates vary. Some apps sadly do not even offer the feature :( |
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| 04:00.03 | fenriz | pdf: what are you looking at after ctrl+alt+f7? |
| 04:00.19 | pdf | fenriz: the terminal/shell screen |
| 04:00.26 | fenriz | startx |
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| 04:00.57 | qubits | Vasistha: could you help me where fsteves left off |
| 04:00.58 | pdf | FAILED ..server is already active |
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| 04:01.51 | Vasistha | qubits: I dunno... I was looking at your stuff earlier, and I'm not sure what to recommend. I don't really understand your problem... and I don't really understand dhcp, either :P |
| 04:02.07 | fenriz | pdf: shit I guess try ctrl+alt+f* one of 'em will probably work |
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| 04:02.12 | qubits | sigh |
| 04:02.34 | fenriz | what's qubits doin? |
| 04:02.44 | asarch | Why in synaptic XFCE4 and all its components appears and not in aptitude ? |
| 04:02.48 | qubits | setting up a two nic forwarder |
| 04:03.03 | fenriz | is forwarding turned on? |
| 04:03.19 | qubits | how can i check, i enabled it in sysctl.conf |
| 04:03.41 | pdf | fenriz.. that was so f'n weird.. ctrl+Alt+f7 just worked after i pressed ctrl+alt+f3 to relogin my account |
| 04:03.49 | qubits | whats the switch for sysctl |
| 04:03.59 | Vasistha | asarch: that's odd. did you do a search with '/'? did you make sure the list is not filtered with 'l'? |
| 04:04.04 | fenriz | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:04.15 | qubits | net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 0 |
| 04:04.22 | fenriz | then no it's not |
| 04:04.28 | qubits | oh\ |
| 04:04.30 | asarch | I just press / and typed "xfce" |
| 04:04.45 | qubits | you still echo 1 into that area with kernel 2.6.x |
| 04:04.45 | qubits | sec |
| 04:04.55 | fenriz | I do |
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| 04:05.15 | qubits | will it stay like that now? |
| 04:05.18 | fenriz | but then I'm kinda old school about these things |
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| 04:05.35 | qubits | what are a few more basic security features i can enable |
| 04:05.40 | fenriz | no, you can either try through sysctl.conf or add a pre-up rule to /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 04:06.26 | qubits | # Uncomment the next line to enable packet forwarding for IPv4 |
| 04:06.27 | qubits | net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 04:06.53 | Amarande | you know, I still don't remember there having been a Lenny in Toy Story |
| 04:06.55 | qubits | i didnt reboot but i told sysctl to edit the parameter and it showed it as one but i must've used the wrong switch |
| 04:07.03 | fenriz | the definition of basic can vary, but iptables rules, make sure your permissions are set properly |
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| 04:07.14 | fenriz | the securing debian manual has a wealth of information |
| 04:07.16 | qubits | well the router has pf |
| 04:07.18 | Vasistha | asarch: press 'l' and see if the list is somehow filtered. And, you're looking at the categorical browser, right? |
| 04:07.31 | qubits | the one this box is connected to which serves the internet |
| 04:07.35 | Vasistha | Amarande: seems like I heard someone say he was in toy story 2 |
| 04:07.44 | fenriz | defense in depth |
| 04:07.49 | qubits | i meant just syn cookies |
| 04:07.49 | asarch | Vasistha: Ok |
| 04:08.11 | qubits | thought it would be easier to run prelude and snort on here |
| 04:08.39 | fenriz | snort is great but keep in mind unless you're tying it into iptables it's reactionary |
| 04:08.50 | fenriz | unless you're monitoring 24x7 |
| 04:08.58 | qubits | :\ |
| 04:09.06 | qubits | need automatic response |
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| 04:09.19 | fenriz | snort-inline will do that |
| 04:09.41 | qubits | kk |
| 04:09.47 | fenriz | just be careful of the rules that are setup to autoblock. can end up DoS'ing yourself pretty easy |
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| 04:10.08 | pdf | !tell pdf bz2 |
| 04:10.18 | Vasistha | !tell pdf -about msg the bot |
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| 04:10.49 | qubits | !tell pdf about bz2 |
| 04:10.55 | asarch | Vasistha: Nop, nothing happends. I press | after make the search and nothing appears |
| 04:11.05 | pdf | thanks quad3d, Vasistha |
| 04:11.19 | qubits | <dpkg> told pdf about bz2 (i guess bz2 is the extension used for file created by bzip2, a program like gzip that gives better compression(particularly on text files) but takes much more memory to run see <bzip2>. or use the j switch to tar, or install and use unp (ask me about <unp>)) |
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| 04:11.30 | userbob | i'm trying to setup 2 X sessions, however when i start the 2nd X session, it makes the 1st X session idle until i quit the 2nd session, help |
| 04:11.42 | pdf | quad3d.. doesnt saying how to extract :D |
| 04:11.47 | Amarande | userbob: ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8? |
| 04:11.53 | donaldo | what's g+s on directories? |
| 04:12.07 | qubits | i have an issues where when i switch to tty1, x has a change in resolution until i restart it |
| 04:12.10 | fenriz | qubits: check out the securing debian manual, it's a bit long but I still use it as a checklist when I'm setting up servers (it's not 100% up to date but still good) |
| 04:12.10 | userbob | Amarande: doing this remotely via X and vnc |
| 04:12.15 | qubits | it becomes slightly smaller and warped |
| 04:12.33 | Amarande | qubits, use a res change thing like gnome's |
| 04:12.36 | Amarande | change the res, then revert |
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| 04:12.48 | qubits | i shouldn't have to :( |
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| 04:13.35 | pdf | qubits... like this i take it? " bzip -j package.bz2 " |
| 04:13.58 | fenriz | bunzip2 file.bz2 |
| 04:14.18 | fenriz | or tar jxvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 04:14.22 | pdf | thanks. the bot told me j .. |
| 04:14.23 | pdf | yea |
| 04:14.26 | pdf | it meant tar then |
| 04:14.33 | qubits | pdf: im not having trouble with bzpi |
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| 04:19.07 | pdf | fenriz.. What is this about? "configure: error: C compiler cannot creatre execetubles... -> this only happens whebn 'checking for c compiler default ouput file name. |
| 04:19.16 | pdf | i put GCC on the system |
| 04:19.37 | fenriz | what are you running to compile? |
| 04:19.48 | pdf | fenriz: xChat 2.8.2 |
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| 04:20.07 | fenriz | using a makefile? |
| 04:20.12 | pdf | fenriz: But it also says it or alot of files. |
| 04:20.16 | pdf | fenriz: ./configure |
| 04:20.19 | muhoo | in a chroot environment, how can i make xwindows work? |
| 04:20.39 | fenriz | pdf: don't ever recall seeing that one |
| 04:20.50 | muhoo | in other words, i have a chrooted window, and i need to launch a GUI app from the chroot |
| 04:21.15 | muhoo | but! no connection, since the /tmp/X11 is different for the chroot vs the rest of my machine |
| 04:21.26 | muhoo | also, network connections aren't happening either for some reason |
| 04:21.28 | Amarande | muhoo: "X11", "X", or "X Window System" :) |
| 04:21.30 | muhoo | at least to localhost |
| 04:21.57 | muhoo | Amarande: yeah, that's what they are. |
| 04:22.07 | Amarande | pdf: apt-get install build-essential? |
| 04:22.09 | muhoo | Amarande: but, the man pages didn't have any mention of chroot last i looked |
| 04:22.30 | fenriz | pdf: ya what Amarande said |
| 04:22.45 | Amarande | you'll probably need to install a bunch of -dev packages, too |
| 04:23.06 | Amarande | in debian, a library package gets you the runtime, you have to install the -dev package to get the headers |
| 04:23.51 | fenriz | potential downpoint of a binary distro |
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| 04:24.14 | pdf | Amarande, i just did that, it says 6 new packs so i installed it, what is it? I saw two packages with G++ it in. |
| 04:24.16 | pdf | in it* |
| 04:24.37 | Amarande | ok, try running configure again |
| 04:24.52 | fenriz | g++ is a c++ compiler |
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| 04:25.35 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 04:25.36 | Vasistha | asarch: you want 'l' which is a lowercase L, not pipe | |
| 04:25.52 | Master_Medic | i installed ndiswrapper and the inf file corresponding to my hardware |
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| 04:26.03 | Master_Medic | when i do ndiswrapper -l it says driver and hardware are present |
| 04:26.22 | Master_Medic | now i was wondering how to bring up the device |
| 04:26.22 | pdf | ok, and one more questions, and that should lift me off my feet for 'tonight' hehe. how do i install a newer version of a software. can i just wget it? |
| 04:26.42 | fenriz | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:26.44 | asarch | Vasistha: Oh... |
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| 04:27.34 | eitan | What is the linux command to find out what optional modules are loaded into the kernel? |
| 04:27.39 | fenriz | pdf: unless you're tied to that ver of xchat you could just apt-get install xchat |
| 04:27.46 | Vasistha | eitan: probably lsmod |
| 04:27.59 | eitan | Vasistha: Thanks... will do... |
| 04:28.04 | asarch | Vasistha: It only shows four packages |
| 04:28.10 | pdf | fenriz: oh, no no no. i have apache 1.3 right now installed. but apache 2.x is on the apache website, and trying to upgrade it |
| 04:28.15 | Vasistha | eitan: or, do you mean, you want to know which modules are *available*, regardless of whether they are actually loaded? |
| 04:28.23 | fenriz | pdf: that's apache2 |
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| 04:29.01 | pdf | fenriz, yes |
| 04:29.08 | fenriz | pdf: not an upgrade for apache, it's a totally separate package |
| 04:29.11 | Master_Medic | does anyone know? |
| 04:29.27 | Vasistha | asarch: why don't you exit out of aptitude and start it up again. You should also probably read instructions on aptitude. It's awkward at first, but once you learn it, you'll love it. There's great documentation at /usr/share/aptitude/README |
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| 04:29.32 | eitan | Can anyone here help me figure out why my nikon film scanner is not working properly with sane in debian? (It is supposed to be supported.) |
| 04:29.33 | asarch | Vasistha: I found them, thanks!!!! |
| 04:29.54 | fenriz | Master_Medic: does iwconfig show the device |
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| 04:30.08 | pdf | fenriz: Ok then. so how can I 'remove' apache1 so I can install apache2 |
| 04:30.12 | Master_Medic | fenriz, nope |
| 04:30.30 | fenriz | pdf: apt-get remove apache |
| 04:30.36 | fenriz | pdf: apt-get install apache2 |
| 04:30.38 | asarch | Vasistha: There were beneath the "Not installed packages" tree |
| 04:30.44 | pdf | thanks :} |
| 04:30.59 | fenriz | Master_Medic: wireless-tools installed? |
| 04:31.09 | Vasistha | asarch: btw, when you use '/' to find, after you find the first, press 'n' for the next, or 'N' (with shift) for the previous |
| 04:31.16 | Master_Medic | fenriz, yeah |
| 04:31.54 | fenriz | Master_Medic: I stopped using ndiswrapper quite some time ago, but IIRC ndiswrapper has to be running |
| 04:32.04 | Master_Medic | fenriz, hmmm |
| 04:32.18 | asarch | Vasistha: Ok. I will study the /usr/share/aptitude/README file. Thank you very much. I owe one man. Good luck. |
| 04:32.19 | Vasistha | asarch: of course, the other thing you can do is use the 'l' filter to filter for only xfce packages ;) |
| 04:32.23 | fenriz | Master_Medic: know the wifi chipset? |
| 04:33.02 | Master_Medic | fenriz, i'm not sure about the wifi chipset, but i asked about it earlier and someone said that the only way was through ndiswrapper |
| 04:33.33 | fenriz | Master_Medic: I'd have to say google ndiswrapper, I just don't remember enough of the details |
| 04:33.33 | eitan | Vasistha: I wanted to know which ones were loaded. That's lsmod, right? |
| 04:33.42 | Vasistha | eitan: correct |
| 04:34.08 | eitan | Vasistha: thanks... do you know anyone here who can help me figure out how to get my scanner working in debian? |
| 04:34.26 | Vasistha | !scanner |
| 04:34.26 | dpkg | [scanner] a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html for supported evices |
| 04:36.05 | Vasistha | !no, scanner is a device used to copy an image from a physical source (e.g., photograph) into a computer. Also, ask me about sane, or see http://www.sane-project.org/sane-supported-devices.html for supported devices. |
| 04:36.05 | dpkg | Vasistha: okay |
| 04:36.06 | eitan | Vasistha: I already checked that. It is supposed to be supported, but it's not working with sane in debian. |
| 04:36.27 | Vasistha | eitan: have you consulted dmesg to check the messages that appear when plugging it in? |
| 04:36.38 | fenriz | Master_Medic: modprobe ndiswrapper? |
| 04:36.46 | eitan | Vasistha: no... how do I do that? What's the procedure? |
| 04:36.57 | Vasistha | eitan: run 'dmesg' |
| 04:37.14 | Vasistha | eitan: or, perhaps, 'dmesg | less', or 'dmesg | tail -f' |
| 04:37.14 | donaldo | has anyone else here used curlftpfs? |
| 04:38.46 | Vasistha | donaldo: yes! it's wonderful! |
| 04:39.03 | Vasistha | !anyone use curlftpfs |
| 04:39.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses curlftpfs, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:39.36 | asarch | Vasistha: See you next time. Thanks. Good luck. |
| 04:40.06 | donaldo | Vasistha: have you found it to be slow at all? i'm connecting to a vsftpd server and it seems like it's re-establishing the connection EVERY time i DIR (ls) or CD (cd) |
| 04:40.33 | donaldo | Vasistha: hmm, remounting in read-only mode (i had meant to anyway) seems to have sped it up greatly |
| 04:40.35 | Vasistha | donaldo: how often are you doing the 'ls' command? ftp connections often time out every 5 minutes :( |
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| 04:41.17 | donaldo | Vasistha: well i just did it a few times in a few seconds, and each time it seems to have a lag of about a second. but now using read-only mode it seems to be working very well |
| 04:41.51 | Vasistha | donaldo: hum. well... I mean, it is slow. If it disconnects, the lag will be longer than a second ;) |
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| 04:42.29 | donaldo | Vasistha: well the server is local and very low-load, re-establishing connection even on the command-line takes but a second |
| 04:42.35 | eitan | Vasistha: Ok I did the dmesg and pasted the relevant output to: http://pastebin.ca/463847 |
| 04:43.57 | Vasistha | eitan: that last bit looks pretty promising: scsi 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 6 |
| 04:44.55 | eitan | Vasistha: Yes, well sane recognizes the scanner, but it freezes when I try to actually get past the sane intro screen. |
| 04:45.36 | donaldo | Vasistha: does it ever lock up on you? does it marshall multiple concurrent requests well? |
| 04:46.05 | Vasistha | eitan: damn. oh, and that's when it does the root node output in dmesg, huh? |
| 04:46.35 | Vasistha | donaldo: yes, it does lock up, particularly if I make concurrent multiple requests, or if I ctrl-c to abort something (e.g. a diff -r ;) |
| 04:46.55 | donaldo | Vasistha: hmm, i may have to check out the source and take a look at fixing it |
| 04:47.06 | eitan | Vasistha: uhh... ok... you lost me. Basically when I run sane, it asks me which scanner I want to use (I have 2 and it lists both) when I choose the nikon, it and click ok, it freezes. |
| 04:47.36 | hark | !tell fenriz -about away |
| 04:48.16 | eitan | Vasistha: Strangely, though, if I turn the Nikon on, I can't even use my other scanner (sane freezes). If I turn my nikon off and reboot, I can use my other scanner fine with sane. I know it's not a problem with my scanner because it works fine with vuescan in linux as well as windows. |
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| 04:49.04 | Vasistha | donaldo: yeah, I have no idea if it's problem with curl, fuse, or curlftpfs :P But I've gotten in the habit of just being gentle with it. And if it locks up, it can be a pain in the frickin' ass to get the thing unmounted. |
| 04:49.42 | farseer_ | gaah, this is driving me nuts! why can i see colors in terminal as root, but works as normal user... alias is added in /root/.bashrc ... any ideas?? |
| 04:50.18 | donaldo | Vasistha: really? i've had no problem with fusermount -zu /mount/point |
| 04:50.42 | donaldo | Vasistha: as for locking up, my first guess is that curlftpfs has absolutely no support for concurrent ftp operations |
| 04:50.51 | donaldo | Vasistha: that shouldn't be too hard to add |
| 04:51.12 | Vasistha | donaldo: oh ... well, fusermount -zu is probably exactly what works. But, I tend to forget that command and pull my hair out trying to figure out how to do it ;) |
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| 04:51.50 | farseer_ | :/ |
| 04:52.05 | donaldo | Vasistha: yeah i just created two commands in my bash profile for mounting and unmounting this particular mount point |
| 04:52.07 | Vasistha | farseer_: maybe because normal users don't read /root/.bashrc ? |
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| 04:52.58 | Vasistha | eitan: I wish I had some good advice, but I have no idea what to recommend :P when you say the scanner locks up ... do you mean your entire box locks up, and you have to power down and reboot? |
| 04:53.03 | farseer_ | Vasistha: hm... there is a .profile in /root, but not in home dirs... but .bashrc for root has colors enabled |
| 04:53.15 | Vasistha | !dotfiles |
| 04:53.15 | dpkg | i heard dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 04:53.16 | hark | farseer_: alias for what? ls? |
| 04:53.26 | farseer_ | hark: yes |
| 04:53.31 | hark | farseer_: what does "type ls" say? |
| 04:53.38 | maddash | does wodim do DVD's? |
| 04:53.59 | hark | yes |
| 04:54.03 | Vasistha | farseer_: I set up user and root to both source /etc/bash.bashrc and set up my aliases in there |
| 04:54.11 | eitan | Vasistha: No... This is what happens: I have 2 scanners. A canon usb flatbed and the nikon film scanner. Both work perfectly in windows, as well as with the $commercial "vuescan" for linux. |
| 04:54.21 | farseer_ | hark: ls is hashed |
| 04:54.40 | Vasistha | eitan: ...oh, I see, it's just sane that freezes :P |
| 04:55.05 | farseer_ | hark: as for my normal user : ls is aliased to `ls --color=auto' |
| 04:55.06 | eitan | Vasistha: However, with sane, the canon flatbed works only if I leave the Nikon off before I boot into linux. If I turn the Nikon on after bootup, and run sane, sane freezes regardless of which scanner I choose. |
| 04:55.12 | maddash | hark: then whyy is dpkg recommending growisofs? |
| 04:57.11 | farseer_ | Vasistha: but as long as root has a .bashrc bash.bashrc will be ignored? |
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| 04:57.27 | maddash | hark: nvm, changed it. |
| 04:57.29 | maddash | !dvd |
| 04:57.29 | dpkg | somebody said dvd was use xine (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), vlc or ogle (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about decss, or ask me about libdvdcss, or to burn a dvd check wodim or growisofs. |
| 04:57.48 | Vasistha | farseer_: no. /etc/bash.bashrc is only read if you explicitly request that it be read. |
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| 04:58.25 | Vasistha | farseer_: if this is the only issue you're having, you may as well just add the alias to root's .profile or .bashrc and be done with it |
| 04:58.32 | thebillywayne | vlc is best. |
| 04:58.40 | farseer_ | Vasistha: but what is blocking the root's bashrc? colors are enabled in /root/.bashrc i dont get it |
| 04:58.54 | Master_Medic | does anyone know how to get ndiswrapper to start? |
| 04:58.57 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: mplayer is better |
| 04:59.06 | fenriz | +1 for mplayer |
| 04:59.10 | Master_Medic | i've tried ndiswrapper -m and a reboot and lsmod does not show ndiswrapper |
| 04:59.18 | farseer_ | hark: ? |
| 04:59.25 | dondelelcaro | fenriz: .bashrc is only read for non-login shells |
| 04:59.26 | fenriz | modprobe ndiswrapper? |
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| 04:59.37 | Master_Medic | fenriz, it says FATAL: modules ndiswrapper not found |
| 04:59.37 | heh | heh. |
| 04:59.45 | thebillywayne | farseer_, it's hard to be better than best. ;) |
| 04:59.50 | fenriz | .bashrc? I wasn't in that topic |
| 04:59.56 | dondelelcaro | s/fenriz/farseer_/ |
| 05:00.20 | jhujhiti | is there anything special i need to do to make ipv6 ipsec work? it's working fine with my new etch install for ipv4, but ipv6 phase1 requests don't lead to phase2 requests. i'm using the same configuration i was using on ubuntu edgy... |
| 05:00.24 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: so .bashrc is never read if user has a shell? |
| 05:00.31 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: eh? |
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| 05:00.33 | heh | !maddash-- |
| 05:00.39 | Vasistha | farseer_: ahh, yeah, there's your answer ... put it in .profile |
| 05:00.42 | thebillywayne | farseer_, what? |
| 05:00.43 | hark | fenriz: sorry, i got disconnected |
| 05:01.03 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: no, it's only read for non-login interactive shells. man bash; |
| 05:01.05 | farseer_ | Vasistha: colors go in .profile? |
| 05:01.09 | fenriz | Master_Medic: install the ndiswrapper module? |
| 05:01.37 | dondelelcaro | fenriz: or in .bash_profile |
| 05:01.38 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: that seems weird... but ok |
| 05:01.44 | dondelelcaro | s/fenriz/farseer_/ |
| 05:01.48 | fenriz | ha |
| 05:01.50 | i | haha, this is surreal - nearly every message is highlighted in yellow |
| 05:01.54 | salami | hey |
| 05:01.54 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 05:01.59 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: sweet |
| 05:02.03 | Master_Medic | fenriz, hmm there is no ndiswrapper-module package but maybe the ndiswrapper-source is the one i want.. |
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| 05:02.15 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: it's not really weird; you may want to differentiate between login and non-login shells. |
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| 05:02.42 | fenriz | Master_Medic: yep and then go through the module-assistant to install it |
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| 05:02.53 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: non-login shells? like /dev/null .. |
| 05:03.01 | Master_Medic | fenriz, module-assistant? |
| 05:03.12 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: no, like shells that you get when you run bash; or similar. |
| 05:03.19 | fenriz | Master_Medic: it will build a deb for the module |
| 05:03.30 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: the manpage explains it |
| 05:03.39 | fenriz | make sure you have your kernel headers |
| 05:03.44 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: other shells but bash? ok, im gonna read it CAREFULLY :P |
| 05:04.09 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: weird this is not enabled by default.. :S |
| 05:04.13 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: no, as in a invocation of a shell which may be bash which is not a login session |
| 05:04.20 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: it's not enabled by default because not everyone wants it |
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| 05:04.48 | hark | you can source bashrc in your bash_profile for login shells if you want |
| 05:04.50 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: hrm... |
| 05:04.54 | dondelelcaro | (but Debian's default .bash_profile does source .bashrc if it exists) |
| 05:05.03 | BFTD | hi, how do I make my debian machien share its internet connection? |
| 05:05.06 | salami | ? |
| 05:05.11 | BFTD | machine* |
| 05:05.23 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: so profile is read before bashrc ? |
| 05:05.28 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: read the manpage |
| 05:05.40 | farseer_ | dondelelcaro: ok i will. thanks dude |
| 05:05.57 | dondelelcaro | farseer_: the section entitled "INVOCATION" explains all of this |
| 05:06.01 | fsteves | BFTD: As in use it as a router? |
| 05:06.29 | dondelelcaro | !masq |
| 05:06.30 | dpkg | i heard masq is See: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L |
| 05:06.30 | BFTD | fsteves yeah sure |
| 05:06.32 | Master_Medic | fenriz, module-assistant list shows that ndiswrapper-source is installed |
| 05:06.33 | dondelelcaro | BFTD: see above |
| 05:06.39 | Master_Medic | fenriz, does that mean i'm good to go? |
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| 05:06.59 | fenriz | did you go through the menu to build it |
| 05:07.01 | fenriz | ? |
| 05:07.04 | Master_Medic | nope |
| 05:07.19 | bintut | anyone runs cherokee here on debian etch? how can i install fastcgi on cherokee? |
| 05:07.19 | eitan | Vasistha: Any other suggestions? |
| 05:07.26 | fenriz | in the select screen just choose that and then follow the prompts |
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| 05:07.38 | Master_Medic | oh ok |
| 05:08.39 | donaldo | Vasistha: have you given any thought to using sshfs to overcome curlftpfs's stability and/or speed problems? |
| 05:08.58 | eitan | Vasistha: well, thank you for your help anyway. |
| 05:10.39 | |HellTiger| | how works "mv * without bla" |
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| 05:11.09 | fenriz | who was lenny on toy story? |
| 05:11.53 | fsteves | lenny was the wind-up binoculars |
| 05:12.04 | fenriz | aahh k |
| 05:12.06 | fsteves | *thanks to a quick google |
| 05:12.09 | fsteves | !lenny |
| 05:12.09 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
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| 05:12.14 | Vasistha | donaldo: not really. most of my interfaces don't offer ssh access :P I would expect ssh to be always better than ftp, and I find it infuriating that so few web hosts offer proper sftp. |
| 05:12.56 | donaldo | Vasistha: i agree. in my case though i'm only looking to transfer files which are publicly available, so i want to remove the encryption overhead incurred by ssh. |
| 05:13.14 | donaldo | Vasistha: you might try fuseftp then |
| 05:13.34 | donaldo | Vasistha: http://wiki.thiesen.org/page/Fuseftp |
| 05:13.39 | epsilon | is there any monitoring tool to check the in/outgoing traffic in background, and send warning mail on if certain limit (mbit/sec or total traffic) has reached? |
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| 05:13.48 | clearance | hm |
| 05:13.57 | clearance | my dhcpd3 serveris working |
| 05:14.05 | clearance | ipv4 shows enabled only via sysctl |
| 05:14.06 | Vasistha | donaldo: thanks for the recommendation. I may check it out, but it'll probably be a way ... I tend to stick with my working tools for a looooong time before exploring new ones |
| 05:14.08 | Xenguy | epsilon: that would be sweet |
| 05:14.14 | clearance | haven't checked proc |
| 05:14.33 | clearance | but i think the routes on this dhcpd3 server must be wrong |
| 05:14.40 | clearance | i cant ping the external network from the other pc |
| 05:14.43 | clearance | will someone help me |
| 05:14.45 | clearance | :) |
| 05:15.07 | fenriz | what's the route being handed out by the dhcp server? |
| 05:15.36 | clearance | it's the ip of the external network router, the ip of the comp the server is connected to on the external network |
| 05:15.37 | clearance | 10.0.11.1 |
| 05:16.01 | fenriz | on the same network? |
| 05:16.07 | clearance | the ip this server assigns to the internal comp is 10.0.10.253 |
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| 05:16.24 | clearance | eth0 the internal network interface is 10.0.10.1 |
| 05:16.28 | nomasteryoda | does someone here know how to disable monitor powersave on an iMac ... debian etch |
| 05:16.45 | clearance | wait |
| 05:16.54 | clearance | its ip was set by its own dhcp server |
| 05:16.58 | clearance | its 10.0.10.254 |
| 05:17.14 | Vasistha | nomasteryoda: hum. I remember I was completely unable to do that, and I concluded that it must be a weird proprietary mac thing. |
| 05:17.25 | clearance | still no diff |
| 05:17.44 | clearance | do the netmasks need to be 255.255.0.0 |
| 05:17.51 | fsteves | clearance: once again, what type of device is contected to the interface serving DHCP, out of curiousity? |
| 05:18.13 | clearance | eth1 connect to a windows 2k3 server |
| 05:18.44 | fsteves | okay, and are you using a 568A crossover cable to connect it? |
| 05:18.52 | nomasteryoda | Vasistha, ok, thanks |
| 05:18.53 | donaldo | Vasistha: do you know which version of libcurl you have? you can check with curl --version |
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| 05:19.03 | fsteves | or a straight through TIA/EIA 568B cable |
| 05:19.09 | nomasteryoda | maybe a mouse move or keyup/down cron job would do it |
| 05:19.11 | nomasteryoda | =D |
| 05:19.17 | clearance | no im using a plain cat5 with automatic switching gigabit ports |
| 05:19.21 | clearance | dont know just plain cat 5 |
| 05:19.25 | Vasistha | donaldo: whatever's in etch... |
| 05:19.36 | donaldo | Vasistha: etch is stable now, right? |
| 05:19.44 | Vasistha | donaldo: correct! |
| 05:19.46 | clearance | i think its a problem with what option router i report to the internal network |
| 05:19.52 | fenriz | the mask does not need to be 255.255.0.0 or /16 but it does need to be the same on all hosts if you're trying to do it all in one network |
| 05:20.32 | fsteves | so your gigabit NIC autosenses? just checking the most commonly overlooked things first, which is cabling |
| 05:20.35 | clearance | it might be aparrent what the problem is if i pastebin my interface file and dhcpd.conf fsteves |
| 05:20.48 | clearance | Yes sir, it can get an ip right now |
| 05:20.49 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: fount out what was wrong |
| 05:20.57 | clearance | it just cant get through to the external network |
| 05:20.57 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: You may uncomment the following lines if you want `ls' to be colorized: |
| 05:20.57 | farseer_ | #export LS_OPTIONS='--color=auto' |
| 05:21.13 | fsteves | k, legit question though, I see it a lot :) |
| 05:21.21 | clearance | gotcha |
| 05:21.25 | clearance | i'm pretty quick |
| 05:21.38 | thebillywayne | farseer_, nice. unfortunately, I'm on ubuntu, though. |
| 05:21.45 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: it says "export" .. wich is not working.. it should be alias directly |
| 05:21.53 | clearance | i setup the external network (openbsd router) ath0 (ext) and rl0(internal, connected to the external eth0 of this server) |
| 05:22.34 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: ubuntu is so buggy :S |
| 05:22.44 | clearance | lemme link myselc |
| 05:22.47 | fenriz | just wondering what's the need for the box to be sitting in between? |
| 05:22.49 | clearance | http://pastebin.ca |
| 05:22.59 | thebillywayne | farseer_, hadn't noticed. I use it because I couldn't set up Etch. |
| 05:23.01 | clearance | well i dont have another crossover |
| 05:23.12 | clearance | just a plain cat5 which will only connect two gigabit ports |
| 05:23.13 | ryty | yet. |
| 05:23.15 | ryty | lol |
| 05:23.25 | clearance | plus i'd like to keep that winbox locked up and under watch |
| 05:23.30 | farseer_ | thebillywayne: same for me, but the oposite ;) |
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| 05:24.16 | fenriz | can the windows box ping the gateway? |
| 05:24.47 | thebillywayne | farseer_, i'd rather be using Debian, honestly. I don't like the release programme of Ubuntu, though I think it's a fine distro, it itself. |
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| 05:25.55 | nomasteryoda | thebillywayne, i love ubuntu .... it's debian for the masses... of n00bs... |
| 05:25.57 | nomasteryoda | i use it |
| 05:26.02 | nomasteryoda | and push it to friends |
| 05:26.07 | fsteves | clearance: thanks to the ethernet model not really changing since its beginning, you can stick anything with an rj45 connector in a gigabit adapter heh |
| 05:26.08 | nomasteryoda | and enemies alike |
| 05:26.12 | clearance | fsteves: I've provided some fairly detailed configuration information here; http://pastebin.ca/463886 |
| 05:26.20 | nomasteryoda | but am starting to love debian again |
| 05:26.26 | bwlang | anybody know of an all sql implementation of a stemmer (like porter?) |
| 05:26.29 | clearance | <3 hardware |
| 05:27.13 | thebillywayne | nomasteryoda, I've heard something of a new project within Debian. Debian for the desktop, or something. |
| 05:27.31 | clearance | fenriz: checkout that link |
| 05:27.59 | clearance | i think the broadcast is off in interfaces fsteves |
| 05:28.07 | clearance | incorrect i mean |
| 05:28.19 | fenriz | yep broadcast is wrong |
| 05:28.32 | clearance | what else could be wrong |
| 05:28.37 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 05:28.39 | nomasteryoda | cool |
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| 05:28.59 | clearance | eth0 seems to be disconnecting and reconnecting |
| 05:29.04 | fenriz | router is set to 10.0.11.1 - that's a different netowrk |
| 05:29.08 | clearance | evryone once in a while though |
| 05:29.19 | clearance | fenriz: thats the external router |
| 05:29.24 | clearance | should it be the ip of the internal nic? |
| 05:29.33 | clearance | ive been changing it back and forth between the two |
| 05:30.00 | fenriz | if I understand right the route should be the internal nic of the router |
| 05:30.11 | clearance | k |
| 05:30.27 | fenriz | is that on a 10.0.11.x network? |
| 05:30.47 | fenriz | the gateway for eth0 is 10.0.10.1 |
| 05:31.20 | Vyrus001 | im using a bcm43xx wifi card in an acer aspire 5050, i see the card in iwconfig, however it will not intentify with any AP. also ifconfig eth1 up (the device in question) results in a "no such file or directory" err msg... any ideas? |
| 05:31.20 | clearance | 10.0.11.1 is the pc eth1 is connected to |
| 05:31.30 | clearance | the source of my connection |
| 05:31.35 | clearance | im using it right now |
| 05:31.59 | fenriz | eth1 is which interface? |
| 05:32.07 | thebillywayne | nomasteryoda, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ |
| 05:32.11 | salami | sup? |
| 05:32.17 | clearance | external nic in the server |
| 05:32.34 | clearance | connected to the obsd router's rl0 |
| 05:32.38 | fenriz | then eth0 is the internal nic? |
| 05:32.41 | clearance | yes |
| 05:32.54 | fenriz | you have a masquerade rule? |
| 05:33.32 | fenriz | iptables -t nat -L |
| 05:33.44 | clearance | oh yeah! |
| 05:33.50 | clearance | network address translation |
| 05:33.56 | clearance | iptables isnt setup at all |
| 05:33.58 | fenriz | you'll need it |
| 05:34.10 | clearance | had to setup nat on the obsd box |
| 05:34.41 | fenriz | iptables -t nat -A postrouting -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:35.03 | clearance | no chain/target/match by that name |
| 05:35.07 | clearance | will that save? |
| 05:35.19 | Master_Medic | hey i got the wireless card working, but only when i turned off wep encryption |
| 05:35.35 | Noboru | is it 100% same as in a result that you first install sarge with the basic system then upgrade to etch compare to install etch instantly ? |
| 05:35.38 | Master_Medic | is there a way to specify the key in maybe the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 05:35.39 | fenriz | sorry, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:35.42 | clearance | Master_Medic: i have some experience with wep 802.11 |
| 05:36.03 | clearance | does that save fenriz |
| 05:36.09 | fenriz | no it does not |
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| 05:36.25 | fenriz | iptables-save > savedfile |
| 05:36.25 | clearance | where do i need to edit for permanent masquerading |
| 05:36.25 | Master_Medic | clearance, any help would be great |
| 05:36.32 | salami | private |
| 05:36.34 | clearance | Master_Medic: explain your situation |
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| 05:37.00 | fenriz | then can add a pre-up rule in /etc/network/interfaces for iptables-restore < savedfile |
| 05:37.00 | kenboo | i'm playing with bochs. does anyone know how to log I/O port access? |
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| 05:37.11 | fenriz | make sure ip_forward is set to 1 |
| 05:37.20 | clearance | fenriz: would you show me |
| 05:37.26 | CHodapp | ok, I just did 'init s' by accident and now for some reason the keyboard that's attached is not being accepted... |
| 05:37.37 | grapekoolaid | etch is 21 isos? surely you debian people jest? |
| 05:37.50 | clearance | lol |
| 05:37.51 | CHodapp | um... |
| 05:37.52 | CHodapp | no. |
| 05:37.58 | clearance | you need an hd upgrade just for that |
| 05:38.02 | CHodapp | debian isn't exactly small. |
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| 05:38.12 | Master_Medic | clearance, well i have a usb wireless adapter, and i just got it working with ndiswrapper. all of the wireless config tools that came with the install suck so i just took off the wep encryption and i was able to connect with sudo ifup wlan0 |
| 05:38.18 | thebillywayne | net install is the way to go. |
| 05:38.20 | donaldo | you don't need all of the software in the debian repository to use it :\ |
| 05:38.25 | maddash | !samba |
| 05:38.25 | dpkg | somebody said samba was a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
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| 05:38.38 | Master_Medic | but i want my connection to be encrypted, so i need to connect using the 128bit hex key |
| 05:38.43 | clearance | Master_Medic: is wep even setup on the router |
| 05:38.56 | donaldo | lol, 128bit hex key |
| 05:39.02 | donaldo | something about that sounds funny.. |
| 05:39.05 | clearance | it's actually 104 bit |
| 05:39.14 | Master_Medic | clearance, yeah it is, i took it off so i could connect, and i just put it back on |
| 05:39.15 | donaldo | that wasn't it |
| 05:39.15 | fenriz | break in 4-6 minutes |
| 05:39.20 | grapekoolaid | if you use wep why not just turn off security all together? |
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| 05:39.24 | clearance | what is it |
| 05:39.29 | clearance | yeah i wish bsd supported wpa |
| 05:39.43 | clearance | i have a d-link wua-2340 wireless usb rangebooster/nic |
| 05:39.57 | clearance | wonder if i could use that in linuux |
| 05:40.02 | Master_Medic | what do you mean what is it? |
| 05:40.11 | clearance | i was talking to donaldo |
| 05:40.15 | Master_Medic | oh |
| 05:40.17 | Master_Medic | so what should i do? |
| 05:40.25 | clearance | do you know about iwconfig |
| 05:40.35 | Master_Medic | clearance, not really |
| 05:40.47 | clearance | try using that to setup the paramters |
| 05:40.57 | Master_Medic | uhh ok |
| 05:41.22 | donaldo | clearance: what type of wireless card are you using? do you use ndiswrapper? |
| 05:41.39 | donaldo | Master_Medic: you should also understand that WEP by itself really isn't secure |
| 05:41.52 | donaldo | err, that message to clearance was meant for Master_Medic |
| 05:42.13 | clearance | ima try restarting the network |
| 05:42.19 | Master_Medic | well i'm not trying to protect much, just keep some neighbors from jacking my net |
| 05:42.31 | Master_Medic | its a usr805422 card |
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| 05:42.42 | fenriz | clearance: look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html under pre-up. Run iptables-save > /etc/iptables.up && chown root.root /etc/iptables.up && chmod 400 /etc/iptables.up. In the pre-up run pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up |
| 05:42.42 | Master_Medic | and i'm using ndiswrapper too |
| 05:42.47 | donaldo | Master_Medic: :\ |
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| 05:43.18 | fenriz | clearance: got your MASQ up and running? |
| 05:43.19 | donaldo | Master_Medic: WEP doesn't work with some cards using NDISWrapper |
| 05:43.37 | donaldo | Master_Medic: also with some firmware/drivers |
| 05:43.58 | Master_Medic | donaldo, oh :/ |
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| 05:44.12 | donaldo | Master_Medic: there's a list at the ndiswrapper site iirc |
| 05:44.18 | donaldo | can't see why there wouldn't be |
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| 05:45.03 | jzxu | what program displays the keycodes for every key I press? |
| 05:45.09 | hark | xev |
| 05:45.32 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 05:45.32 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 05:46.00 | jzxu | hark: thanks |
| 05:46.17 | thebillywayne | buddha is unforgiving. |
| 05:47.38 | grapekoolaid | bsd supports wpa |
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| 05:50.48 | cafuego | Typical pothead. |
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| 05:51.38 | CHodapp | damn this Linux box... why won't it take my keyboard? |
| 05:51.50 | CHodapp | why is x.org suddenly using 90% CPU? |
| 05:51.56 | fenriz | must be a fancy ass keyboard |
| 05:52.01 | CHodapp | no |
| 05:52.10 | CHodapp | it's a cheap keyboard and it's worked fine for a month |
| 05:52.11 | Xenguy | CHodapp: what does top say? |
| 05:52.24 | CHodapp | top says: X is using 98.9% of the CPU. |
| 05:52.35 | Xenguy | CHodapp: er, right :-/ |
| 05:53.01 | Master_Medic | okay i got the wireless working with wep |
| 05:53.11 | CHodapp | and I don't want to reboot over BS like this, especially when I have some things running that I don't want to kill |
| 05:53.15 | Master_Medic | u just have do do sudo iwconfig wlan0 enc <128bit hex key here> |
| 05:53.18 | Master_Medic | then sudo ifup wlan0 |
| 05:53.32 | fenriz | yep |
| 05:53.51 | Xenguy | CHodapp: you shouldn't have to, that is certain |
| 05:54.01 | fenriz | guessing module-assistant worked good for you? |
| 05:54.10 | CHodapp | can I get it to give me any info on the keyboard or lack thereof? |
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| 05:54.24 | tuv | why does cdimage.debian.org directs me to umu.se? i want something in north america! |
| 05:54.32 | grapekoolaid | damn it is hot in here |
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| 05:55.09 | clearance | problem |
| 05:55.17 | clearance | i can get through to the external network |
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| 05:55.24 | grapekoolaid | gold bond medicated powder? |
| 05:55.26 | clearance | but the server lost connectivity |
| 05:55.50 | clearance | and it reports Error : No address associated with that hostname, while i ping the external network from the winbox |
| 05:56.16 | fenriz | can the server ping it's gateway? |
| 05:56.21 | clearance | yes |
| 05:56.49 | fenriz | can the server ping an external site? |
| 05:57.17 | \amethyst | clearance: in particular, can you ping external sites by IP address? |
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| 05:58.17 | clearance | its own interface is reporting destination network unreachable |
| 05:58.26 | clearance | the ip for eth0 |
| 05:58.37 | clearance | its not going out eth1 like it should |
| 05:59.10 | clearance | default route for 0.0.0.0 is 10.0.10.1 its internal nic, not the gateway nic |
| 05:59.19 | clearance | how did that happe |
| 05:59.30 | fenriz | good question, change it |
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| 05:59.58 | fenriz | interfaces file change? |
| 05:59.59 | clearance | erm |
| 06:00.03 | clearance | syntax? |
| 06:00.29 | clearance | yeah i took something off auto |
| 06:00.31 | clearance | the wrong interface it hink |
| 06:00.38 | clearance | both were on |
| 06:00.45 | jzxu | does the radeon driver that comes with the default etch install support hardware acceleration? |
| 06:01.00 | clearance | its rebooting |
| 06:01.09 | fenriz | jzxu: iirc no, need the fglrx driver |
| 06:01.10 | clearance | put the external nic on auto |
| 06:01.24 | fenriz | don't want both on auto? |
| 06:01.55 | jzxu | fenriz: I thought so, thanks! |
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| 06:03.04 | clearance | i don't know |
| 06:03.13 | clearance | one is static one is dhcp |
| 06:03.15 | clearance | do i/ |
| 06:03.40 | fenriz | if you have the internal on not on auto then you'll have to bring it up to have any of it's clients to work |
| 06:04.03 | fenriz | i suppose if you want to put that ms box on lockdown then you can |
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| 06:07.50 | clearance | fen what do i do with my savedfile |
| 06:07.54 | fsteves | my kernel problem seemed to work itself out when I did a netinstall from the actual 4.0r0 image, instead of dist-upgrade from sarge |
| 06:07.59 | clearance | iptables-save > savedfile |
| 06:08.15 | tuv | what's wrong with testing torrents? i get 'Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.' when i try to d/l cd1 |
| 06:08.17 | fenriz | have a pre-up line in interfaces to call it? |
| 06:08.20 | tuv | amd64 |
| 06:08.26 | clearance | what would it look like |
| 06:08.36 | fenriz | it's in that link I posted |
| 06:08.46 | clearance | link me again? |
| 06:09.06 | fenriz | just another line in with an interface settings: pre-up iptables-restore < iptablesfile |
| 06:09.32 | fenriz | that'll restore it before the interface comes up |
| 06:10.21 | pdf | There are several programs to chroot automatically servers and services. Debian currently (accepted in May 2002) provides Wietse Venema's chrootuid in the chrootuid package, as well as compartment and makejail. These programs can be used to set up a restricted environment for executing any program (chrootuid enables you to even run it as a restricted user). |
| 06:10.29 | pdf | sorry for that paste |
| 06:10.32 | pdf | what are they saying |
| 06:10.36 | pdf | debian has it built in? |
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| 06:11.21 | clearance | fen |
| 06:11.25 | clearance | so one line? |
| 06:11.30 | fenriz | yep |
| 06:11.41 | clearance | and it reads 'pre-up iptables-restore < savefile |
| 06:12.01 | fenriz | savefile being the full path to the file, yes |
| 06:12.10 | clearance | k |
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| 06:12.19 | nn-away | hi |
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| 06:12.37 | fenriz | quick way to test is by running iptables -t nat -F |
| 06:12.53 | fenriz | and then iptables -t nat -L to make sure it's gone |
| 06:13.05 | fenriz | the /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:13.11 | ryan | would anyone like to help me get enlightenment and my xserver running |
| 06:13.13 | fenriz | iptables -t nat -L to make sure it's there |
| 06:13.50 | nn-away | can anyone test the filebin.info |
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| 06:14.06 | Stevo | yo yo yo |
| 06:14.17 | clearance | fen bad line |
| 06:14.24 | fenriz | which one? |
| 06:14.37 | nn-away | filebin.info filebin |
| 06:14.38 | clearance | pre-up iptables-retore < /root/iptconf1 |
| 06:14.50 | fenriz | iptables-restore |
| 06:14.55 | clearance | thats the whole line |
| 06:14.59 | clearance | yeah i didnt paste |
| 06:15.05 | clearance | spelling is correct |
| 06:15.06 | fenriz | not iptables-retore |
| 06:15.13 | clearance | should pre-up be after something |
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| 06:15.46 | fenriz | ya stick it at the bottom of eth1 |
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| 06:16.05 | fenriz | underneath the gateway entry |
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| 06:17.12 | debian_ | Hi, is there a program like talk/write but crypted? |
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| 06:17.57 | markybob | debian_: be more specific. gaim-encryption or gnupg |
| 06:18.17 | clearance | fenriz pings aren't getting to the external net from the winbox now |
| 06:18.28 | debian_ | no i mean the ntalk program and write program, but crypted |
| 06:19.04 | fenriz | ip_forwarding still on? |
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| 06:19.47 | clearance | its not online still either |
| 06:20.02 | clearance | i think the iptables config is bad |
| 06:20.05 | fenriz | interfaces up? |
| 06:20.40 | clearance | no its off, yes theyre up |
| 06:20.45 | markybob | debian_: gtalk has some encryption |
| 06:20.51 | fenriz | need forwarding on |
| 06:21.06 | debian_ | markybob, thanks |
| 06:21.24 | holden | Are Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 4 Pros well supported? |
| 06:21.27 | holden | Anyone know? |
| 06:21.39 | clearance | its on but i cant ping google lol |
| 06:21.58 | fenriz | does iptables -t nat -L list your masq rule? |
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| 06:22.37 | clearance | chain postrouting (policy ACCEPT) |
| 06:22.47 | clearance | masquerade all anywhere anywhere |
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| 06:22.53 | clearance | thats all tho |
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| 06:23.12 | nn-away | can anyone test the filebin.info 's file bin thanks |
| 06:23.28 | fenriz | from the iptables file what's the masquerade rule say? |
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| 06:23.41 | nn-away | ps filebin.info is a debian mirror |
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| 06:24.26 | clearance | PREROUTING ACCEPT [4:229] |
| 06:24.37 | clearance | POSTROUTING ACCEPT [6:469] |
| 06:24.55 | clearance | -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
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| 06:25.01 | clearance | COMMIT |
| 06:25.02 | clearance | EOF |
| 06:25.12 | fenriz | ok so eth0 is up eth1 is up, masq is running, routes look ok, and ip_forwarding is enabled? |
| 06:25.25 | clearance | yes |
| 06:25.36 | fenriz | can the server ping the outside? |
| 06:25.51 | clearance | the gateway yeah |
| 06:25.58 | fenriz | google? |
| 06:26.18 | fenriz | can ping the gateway or the gateway can ping the outside? |
| 06:26.26 | clearance | no, when i try to ping an ip thougn seems like the routes ar emessed up |
| 06:26.34 | clearance | the internal nic reports destionaiton host unreachable |
| 06:26.39 | clearance | it doesnt go out the etx nic |
| 06:26.41 | clearance | to the gateway |
| 06:26.53 | clearance | ext nic* |
| 06:27.43 | clearance | destination gateway genmask flags mss window irtt iface |
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| 06:27.55 | fenriz | what's the inside nic route, should be the ext nic? |
| 06:28.04 | clearance | 10.0.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 06:28.26 | clearance | 10.0.11.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:28.46 | clearance | 0.0.0.0 10.0.10.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:28.52 | clearance | 0.0.0.0 10.0.11.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 06:29.07 | clearance | is the priority wrong? |
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| 06:31.11 | fenriz | 10.0.10.1 is the router nic? |
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| 06:31.32 | clearance | the internal nic connected to the winbox eth1 |
| 06:31.48 | clearance | eth0* |
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| 06:32.49 | \amethyst | do you mean to have two default routes? |
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| 06:33.02 | clearance | i dont think so |
| 06:33.07 | clearance | i didnt set any routes |
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| 06:33.08 | fenriz | that's what I'm thinking too |
| 06:33.42 | clearance | should i not need a route to the internal net |
| 06:33.43 | fenriz | gettin way too tired to be looking at routing tables |
| 06:34.23 | fenriz | you need a route but you shouldn't need a gateway I think |
| 06:34.33 | fenriz | I'm much better at this stuff earlier in the day |
| 06:34.43 | clearance | how do i delete the route for 10.0.10.0 |
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| 06:35.15 | valdyn | clearance: route del 10.0.10.0 |
| 06:35.27 | \amethyst | the network route or the extra default route? |
| 06:35.41 | fenriz | I think the extra default route need to go |
| 06:35.44 | valdyn | clearance: you shouldnt want to delete that route though |
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| 06:35.52 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.02 | clearance | \amethyst the gateway directive for eth0 thwe internal nic is 10.0.10.1 |
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| 06:36.34 | \amethyst | or route del -net default gw 10.0.10.1 |
| 06:36.48 | clearance | pingas get out now |
| 06:36.59 | clearance | even for google |
| 06:37.10 | clearance | how do i stop the extra route from being Aadded |
| 06:37.13 | fenriz | that extra default route should have been screwing it all up |
| 06:37.21 | \amethyst | I think half your DNS traffic was getting routed over eth0 :) |
| 06:37.34 | fenriz | comment the gateway entry for that interface in the interfaces file |
| 06:37.35 | clearance | it did i executed \amethyst command |
| 06:37.43 | clearance | me too |
| 06:37.57 | clearance | shouldnt i set the gateway to the external nic |
| 06:38.06 | \amethyst | clearance: no, there is no gateway |
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| 06:38.29 | clearance | k commented |
| 06:38.50 | fenriz | cool, I'm gonna duck out for the expose on routing in linux. 'night all |
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| 06:40.56 | pdf | Can someone or some people tell me how i can make jails so when people ssh into my system, they cannot do anything but stay in their directories. also would like to know how i can set a 10 mega byte quota for each user who is added tot he system |
| 06:41.14 | pdf | or is there a doc i can read. debian-administrators.org is confusing as hell to me |
| 06:42.17 | markybob | probably because it's debian-administration.org |
| 06:42.35 | markybob | pdf: look into rbash. make that their login shell |
| 06:42.44 | pdf | markybob. im reading off this |
| 06:42.47 | pdf | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-auto-chroot |
| 06:42.54 | noborusan | can anyone tell me when ETCH will be cut off support by debian team ? |
| 06:42.57 | pdf | exlcude the part after *howto |
| 06:42.59 | noborusan | we know etch was just out |
| 06:43.18 | markybob | noborusan: about a year after lenny releases. could be anywhere from 2 to 4 years |
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| 06:44.14 | qubits | SUCCESS |
| 06:44.30 | noborusan | markybob, sorry about my english understanding,you mean probably 2 year later ? |
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| 06:44.34 | noborusan | from now on ? |
| 06:44.44 | markybob | noborusan: at least. yes |
| 06:45.00 | noborusan | so this policy is mostly applied by debian for their releases ? |
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| 06:45.19 | clearance | \amethyst: wanna help me setup snort-inline, nids, and prelude now :) |
| 06:45.20 | noborusan | i mean this lifecycle policy in debian |
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| 06:46.12 | markybob | noborusan: yes. oldstable stays supported for about a year after a new release. debian releases are notorious for taking anywhere from 1 to 3yrs |
| 06:46.30 | noborusan | cool |
| 06:46.36 | noborusan | Thanks a lot |
| 06:46.57 | LinuxNIT | what version of gnome does unstable have? |
| 06:47.19 | markybob | 2.18.1 |
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| 06:47.27 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 06:47.55 | hark | noborusan: "The security team tries to support a stable distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. It is not possible to support three distributions; supporting two simultaneously is already difficult enough." |
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| 06:48.17 | hark | noborusan: http://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 06:48.36 | noborusan | Thanks for the info , hark |
| 06:48.36 | hark | LinuxNIT: /msg dpkg gnome 2.18 status |
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| 06:50.29 | grapekoolaid | the first 3 isos of etch will give me a fairly complete install? |
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| 06:51.17 | LinuxNIT | ah well its not installable anyway :-/ |
| 06:51.30 | itchi | grapekoolaid: The most used stuff are on the first cd's, put as priority first. See popcon |
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| 06:52.08 | itchi | grapekoolaid: You may interesting in /msg dpkg cd contents too |
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| 06:52.53 | itchi | grapekoolaid: Say if it's not yet clear to you |
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| 06:55.24 | hark | itchi: i haven't tried installing it yet. I'll try it later today :) |
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| 06:57.35 | itchi | hark: Ok, still not fixed here :-s |
| 06:58.16 | itchi | hark: But i not have look anymore, i need to tell |
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| 06:58.45 | itchi | My sister moven of house rent yesterday, i helped and i'm out of order now buahaha. Lazy guy i'm :-p |
| 06:58.56 | christof | Hi guys |
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| 06:59.12 | hark | itchi: heh, and btw you tried on etch right? |
| 06:59.22 | itchi | hark: Lenny |
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| 07:00.01 | hark | itchi: ah, ok. i'll be installing on sid here ;) |
| 07:00.10 | jzxu | for some reason my lcd monitor keeps getting set at 75 hz vertical refresh, even though I specified VertRefresh 60 in xorg.conf |
| 07:00.16 | christof | I have a question , since my upgrade from testing to etch (stable) I have my webserver apache2 process killed at the log rotation every sunday morning . Problem appears on several machine |
| 07:00.20 | jzxu | any ideas on how I can fix this? |
| 07:00.34 | itchi | hark: I plan to migrate that box later to Sid, once my mail server is realy ok |
| 07:00.37 | dutchfish | jzxu, i915/945? |
| 07:00.49 | jzxu | dutchfish: huh? |
| 07:01.09 | dutchfish | jzxu, what graphics card? |
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| 07:01.33 | jzxu | dutchfish: Mobility Firegl 9000 |
| 07:01.51 | itchi | jzxu: You modified it be hand? What tells xrandr ? |
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| 07:03.08 | tyh_124 | i don't lnow,why my user accounts can't use oss dirver?i arealy install alsa and oss |
| 07:03.29 | jzxu | itchi: says I'm at 1280x1024 75 hz |
| 07:03.29 | itchi | tyh_124: And he is in the audio group? |
| 07:03.58 | grapekoolaid | yes and the short answer is. yes the first 3 isos of etch for a fairly complete install. thank you come again |
| 07:04.00 | jzxu | itchi: and yes, I added VertRefresh by hand |
| 07:04.00 | itchi | jzxu: Yeah, LCD runs at 60. Hold on |
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| 07:04.14 | itchi | jzxu: Can you pastebin that part of the xorg? |
| 07:04.36 | jzxu | itchi: the Monitor Section/ |
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| 07:04.38 | jzxu | ? |
| 07:04.57 | itchi | jzxu: Yup, with the hor and vert refresh rates values |
| 07:05.05 | hark | jzxu: also maybe paste the output of /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script 3>&1 |
| 07:05.15 | tyh_124 | i already get this popedom.and i must use alsaconf everyone time. |
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| 07:05.34 | jzxu | er, hold on, I'm in console right now because X is shaking like a mofo |
| 07:06.09 | jzxu | I'll go into X to pastebin |
| 07:06.12 | itchi | jzxu: Pipe that Hark's output to a file |
| 07:06.26 | itchi | heh, sounds weird :-p |
| 07:06.43 | tyh_124 | and i need do what ? |
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| 07:07.46 | ryan__ | could anyone help me get a xserver starteed after a standard install only? |
| 07:08.20 | ryan__ | my video card acts like 2 diffrent cards (ati radeon 9250) |
| 07:08.25 | itchi | tyh_124: Take a look to /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 07:08.43 | jzxu | itchi: wait, how do I redirect that to a file? |
| 07:09.01 | ryan__ | when i put pci bus to 12:1 it errors about bus 12:0 and if i put 12:0 it errors about 12:1 |
| 07:09.07 | jzxu | what does 3>&1 mean? |
| 07:09.27 | hark | just replace &1 with the file |
| 07:09.33 | itchi | jzxu: i.e date > /tmp/date_output |
| 07:09.37 | jzxu | hark: okay |
| 07:09.53 | hark | ryan__: what error do you get? |
| 07:09.57 | itchi | jzxu: Pay attention to the diff of > (overwrite) and >> (append) |
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| 07:10.27 | hark | ryan__: leave it blank? |
| 07:10.29 | itchi | jzxu: Take a look to the bashFaq |
| 07:11.00 | itchi | jzxu: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 07:11.06 | ryan__ | hark: if i put my device pci as 12:0 it errors no devices and says it found one on 12:1 but it i put it on 12:1 it errors about 12:0 |
| 07:11.39 | wols | ryan__: why do you care about PCI device? |
| 07:11.44 | hark | ryan__: how many cards do you have? tried leaving it blank? |
| 07:12.02 | ryan__ | hark: i have 2, 1 onboard and 1 pci |
| 07:12.14 | itchi | jzxu: Q #14 |
| 07:12.55 | enyc | ryan__: to me pci devices are listed 00:13.0 -- i.e. there are 3 parts to the id |
| 07:13.07 | enyc | ryan__: check with "lspci" command |
| 07:13.15 | ryan__ | hark: yea itss 00: on both ways |
| 07:13.23 | jzxu | hark: sorry, i'm retarded, so the exact command should be .. ? |
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| 07:13.44 | ryan__ | hark: do you know how to restart the xserver i forgot so i keep restarting |
| 07:13.46 | jzxu | hark: I tried /usr/share/.../scripts 3 > temp |
| 07:13.58 | jzxu | hark: but temp is just empty |
| 07:14.27 | enyc | ryan__: if gdm is running (normal) -- ctrl+alt+backspace from the x -display will 'kill' the server and gdm will restart it |
| 07:14.27 | tyh_124 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.37 | ryan__ | ok |
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| 07:14.55 | hark | jzxu: no spaces there.. 3>temp |
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| 07:15.16 | tyh_124 | ' /msg dpkg alsa checklist' ? it show: (notice) Unknown command [/msg] |
| 07:15.18 | ryan__ | enyc: nope i dont have gdm running this is a fresh install |
| 07:15.34 | enyc | hark: what is the '3' handle? im familiar wit, 1, 2 (stdout stderr I think) |
| 07:15.38 | nvz | ugh.. I just ran into the OO.o recovery dialog for the first time.. that thing is a bitch and a half should you, I don't know.. NOT FReakin CARE about the document it wants to recover.. the only option is "Cancel" recovery then it brings up a damn dialog to save the canceled document.. there should be a "no, I seriously don't fucking care" button so it just goes away |
| 07:15.49 | hark | jzxu: or just paste your xorg log and xorg.conf then |
| 07:15.56 | enyc | ryan__: still you can ctrl+alt+backspace the server.... |
| 07:15.57 | cmedley | Notice how subtelty is the key? |
| 07:15.58 | cmedley | I don't think i have for lunch ? |
| 07:16.15 | ryan__ | no i cant |
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| 07:16.43 | PingFloyd | ryan__: can always bring up another virtual console and kill X |
| 07:16.43 | nvz | I dont even know how the last document I worked on qualified as a recovered document.. I started to type something and then changed my mind.. I knew then I didnt want to save it I dont know why I had to be asked two more times when I started it back up if I wanted to save it |
| 07:16.52 | PingFloyd | ryan__: with 'kill' |
| 07:17.54 | PingFloyd | ryan__: sounds like your keyboard may be set up funky if you can't C-M-bs to kill X |
| 07:18.01 | jzxu | hark, itchi: http://de.pastebin.ca/463963 |
| 07:18.21 | jzxu | sorry it took so long, going between console and X |
| 07:18.36 | ryan__ | well im more worried about getting X to srart |
| 07:18.44 | ryan__ | start* |
| 07:18.50 | PingFloyd | ryan__: is it not starting? |
| 07:19.03 | PingFloyd | ryan__: and did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 07:19.08 | ryan__ | yes |
| 07:19.27 | PingFloyd | yes to which? lol |
| 07:19.50 | ryan__ | yes i reconfigured |
| 07:19.56 | itchi | jzxu: The interesting parts start with '(WW)' |
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| 07:20.06 | itchi | jzxu: But the most one is '(EE)' |
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| 07:20.29 | PingFloyd | ryan__: but it still won't start right? |
| 07:20.40 | jzxu | itchi: oh |
| 07:20.50 | jzxu | so ... not DRI compatible means ... ? |
| 07:21.22 | itchi | jzxu: No matters that, at this stage, i think, hold on |
| 07:21.57 | jzxu | er, it might help to know that I'm trying to get compiz working |
| 07:21.58 | itchi | jzxu: Try with HorizSync 30-67 and VertRefresh 30-60 |
| 07:22.02 | dutchfish | is it possible to construct a video device through usb to anothers machine 2nd graphic card, does anybody can pinpoint me to a howto? |
| 07:22.26 | jzxu | k |
| 07:23.14 | hark | jzxu: i am just going through it, but did you try leaving out the frequencies and have it autodetected? same for the Display sub section. It will be autodetected |
| 07:24.01 | xingu | dutchfish: what's the goal - either you want a usb based graphics card (second graphics display on a system as a usb peripheral), or, do you want to capture the output of a system's second graphics card using a usb capture device? |
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| 07:24.21 | itchi | jzu: Are you jzxu ? |
| 07:24.35 | ryan__ | brb |
| 07:25.12 | dutchfish | xingu, i have a special machine with no graphics card at all, i need some way to see (or capture) its video output |
| 07:25.23 | dutchfish | xingu, my ony option is usb |
| 07:25.58 | itchi | dutchfish: Can you not output it to a serial? |
| 07:26.10 | wols | dutchfish: what videooutput? |
| 07:26.21 | wols | without videocard there is no output |
| 07:26.22 | dutchfish | itchi, sure but isnt that to slow? for 800x600 24bit screen? |
| 07:26.52 | itchi | dutchfish: I dunno, honnesty |
| 07:27.07 | itchi | Never tried it right now |
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| 07:27.33 | itchi | dutchfish: I may say; try it :-) |
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| 07:27.58 | jzxu | hmm, no luck |
| 07:27.59 | dutchfish | itchi, correction the rs232 is used already for monitoring |
| 07:28.11 | hark | jzxu: i am just going through it, but did you try leaving out the frequencies and have it autodetected? same for the Display sub section. It will be autodetected |
| 07:28.11 | itchi | jzu: You missed a important comment of Hark |
| 07:28.18 | wols | dutchfish: what videooutput on a headless box? that makes no sense? |
| 07:28.38 | hark | jzxu: also check with hwinfo --monitor |
| 07:28.57 | jzxu | hark: I just tried that too, it's still the same deal, even though an hour ago it was working fine |
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| 07:29.24 | jzxu | btw, this is an external monitor connected to a laptop |
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| 07:29.38 | dutchfish | wols, its a headless box atm, if i could create a video device through usb, i could monitor the headless boxes X? |
| 07:29.53 | wols | dutchfish: no |
| 07:29.56 | itchi | jzu: You have 2 same Section "Monitor" |
| 07:29.59 | wols | dutchfish: look into xvfb |
| 07:30.00 | xingu | dutchfish: google finds this... http://www.epiphan.com/products/product.php?catid=1 |
| 07:30.01 | jzxu | and the thing is, my laptop monitor broke, so I took that one off altogether |
| 07:30.10 | jzxu | itchi: that was from the ati-config |
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| 07:30.25 | wols | jzxu: ati + 3D desktop means XGL |
| 07:30.39 | wols | at least if you use fglrx which you do |
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| 07:30.50 | wols | so have you dri module loaded in X? |
| 07:30.51 | dutchfish | xingu, yup, exactly what i need, ty :) |
| 07:30.57 | xingu | dutchfish: nb, you're probably looking at frame capture if you do genuinely want to capture the physical display and not create a network remote display |
| 07:31.06 | ryan | its still understanding that the card takes 2 ids |
| 07:31.14 | dutchfish | xingu, yup |
| 07:31.19 | jzxu | wols: yeah, dri is loaded |
| 07:31.22 | xingu | dutchfish: so it'll show up as a v4l device like a tv on your desktop |
| 07:31.26 | jzxu | should I turn it off? |
| 07:31.32 | dutchfish | xingu, excellent! |
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| 07:31.45 | wols | 09:20 < jzxu> so ... not DRI compatible means ... ? <- what do you think? |
| 07:31.58 | wols | dutchfish: no. you don't have a vga out, do you? |
| 07:31.58 | jzxu | right ... |
| 07:32.02 | ryan | how does the regualr install know what options work for X |
| 07:32.08 | dutchfish | wols, no |
| 07:32.11 | jzxu | logging out again |
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| 07:32.29 | itchi | dutchfish: At these prices, are you not better with a real VGA card? |
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| 07:32.37 | wols | dutchfish: and you need Linux to treat your USB as video. and that you need a driver for. which I doN#t think exists... |
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| 07:32.51 | wols | dutchfish: enter xvfb |
| 07:32.55 | dutchfish | itchi, i cant install a card, think of it like an sbc in a black box |
| 07:33.22 | dutchfish | itchi, my only option is usb |
| 07:33.31 | wols | dutchfish: no network? |
| 07:33.32 | alarm | goodmorning , how can i install from the kde-debian cd just the kdebase instead of all those applications that get installed automatically ? i used expertgui but i didnt see somewhere to choose packages or something. |
| 07:33.46 | itchi | dutchfish: Buy the VGA2USB Pro :-pm |
| 07:33.47 | dutchfish | wols, yes, but? |
| 07:34.18 | wols | dutchfish: ever heard of remote X? |
| 07:34.24 | dutchfish | wols, i rather wont trouble the netwerk, because it needs to be very secure |
| 07:34.37 | wols | good luck then |
| 07:34.47 | dutchfish | wols, thx |
| 07:34.58 | wols | btw: the network won't be secure if the box isn't secure. and with X it certainly is not |
| 07:34.58 | hark | alarm: skip tasksel and do an aptitude install kdebase instead |
| 07:35.16 | wols | so the "network needs to be secure" is a non argument as soon as you run X |
| 07:35.18 | christof | please I have a problem apache2 which is killed every sunday morning , nobody has this prob? |
| 07:35.35 | wols | christof: check your cron entries then |
| 07:35.44 | wols | christof: and it would help to see how/why it is killed |
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| 07:37.38 | dutchfish | christof, big logs wich needs to be serviced once a week can also give problems sometimes |
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| 07:38.05 | alarm | goodmorning , how can i install from the kde-debian cd just the kdebase instead of all those applications that get installed automatically ? i used expertgui but i didnt see somewhere to choose packages or something. |
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| 07:38.13 | dutchfish | christof, specially if they exceed 2G |
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| 07:38.30 | keston | lately, i notice that i cannot power down from kdm on first try, only works on second try. any reason for this? |
| 07:38.43 | itchi | alarm: Heh, did you listen to Hark? |
| 07:38.56 | alarm | ohh sorry didnt see it |
| 07:39.19 | alarm | Hark when u say skip taskel u mean to cancel the installation or how ? |
| 07:39.22 | christof | wols: dutchfish this is not big log |
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| 07:39.29 | itchi | alarm: Yes |
| 07:39.40 | jzxu | well, it seems to happen after I run the aticonfig --initial script |
| 07:39.53 | dutchfish | christof, is it apache2 related? |
| 07:39.58 | ben[tv] | pls help me upgrade my gnome 2.14 to gnome 2.16 on ETCH |
| 07:40.02 | christof | wols: I have already check cron , the prob appear every sunday morning at 6:25 , log rotation however at the hand no prob appears |
| 07:40.03 | jzxu | I'm not sure if it's just because I'm using the fglrx driver, or something else it changed ... |
| 07:40.04 | alarm | except of kdebase would i need any other package for my system to boot normaly ? something like kdm or xorg ? |
| 07:40.14 | itchi | alarm: Taskel usually only install big meta-packages. You can go back to tasksel at any time. Just run tasksel as root user. But i may tell, avoid tasksel ;-) |
| 07:40.18 | christof | dutchfish: I think debian prob |
| 07:40.31 | christof | debian /system |
| 07:40.36 | dutchfish | christof, what kernel? |
| 07:41.14 | itchi | alarm: kdebase should install what he need |
| 07:41.18 | hark | alarm: just don't make any choices when it prompts you (the software package selection screen). do an aptitude install xorg kdebase kdm |
| 07:41.24 | wols | christof: 6:25 is when updatedb runs. but this runs each day |
| 07:41.25 | alarm | honestly, i still didnt understand what that taskel is during the installation |
| 07:42.01 | wols | alarm: it installs some meta packages you choose |
| 07:42.02 | hark | alarm: that kdm only if you need a dm |
| 07:42.02 | alarm | Hark but i am never been asked about the pacakges on a debian-kde cd |
| 07:42.02 | keston | why? |
| 07:42.18 | christof | dutchfish: kernel 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:42.25 | wols | jzxu: then why don't you run that ati script? |
| 07:42.48 | christof | wols: in the cron I see the /etc/cron.daily lauched at 6:25 |
| 07:42.51 | itchi | alarm: I think that cd is kde only, that cd know what he need to install. He only install kde stuff. But i have never try that cd |
| 07:42.52 | alarm | i am asked about the partitioner, and after a few steps the system is ready. really nothing about packages or to quit at some point where the system wants to installs its packages, |
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| 07:43.01 | christof | wols: but this is every day too :s |
| 07:43.16 | alarm | yes, maybe it does, but i dont want all those little apps :) |
| 07:43.33 | ice63 | hmm |
| 07:43.36 | hark | alarm: ok , then just run that aptitude command what i gave above |
| 07:43.39 | itchi | alarm: The purpose of that kde-cd is to install a ready to run KDE env |
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| 07:43.51 | wols | christof: look at cron.weekly |
| 07:44.17 | christof | wols: dutchfish every sunday at 6:25 my apache is stopped here the error.log last line : child process 9999 still did not exist sending a sigkill |
| 07:44.17 | wols | alarm: then don't. nobody said you had to install stuff via tasksel |
| 07:44.27 | hark | jzxu: you have 2 displays? |
| 07:44.34 | alarm | hark you dont seem to get it, to run this command i have to quit the installation . cancel it. there is no point during the installation i can quit of choosing some packages and run this command |
| 07:44.51 | christof | wols: I alreasy checked it but nothing launched the sunday morning |
| 07:45.02 | wols | alarm: you don't get it. installing the stuff after installation is what hark meant |
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| 07:45.05 | hark | alarm: then go through with it, until you get to it? |
| 07:45.05 | christof | it is lauched a 6:49 the weekly |
| 07:45.07 | dutchfish | christof, i had same problem with apache2 because of exceeding log size |
| 07:45.15 | alarm | did any of you try to install debian from that cd or u are just saying things without knowing how the installation is |
| 07:45.38 | wols | alarm: we installed debian fromt he official netinstall CD |
| 07:45.45 | wols | alarm: and you should too. no matter what you install afterwards |
| 07:45.55 | dutchfish | christof, stupid question, you have enough free disk space? |
| 07:45.59 | alarm | sure. with a slow dsl through the net :) |
| 07:46.03 | christof | dutchfish: yes |
| 07:46.05 | wols | alarm: so? |
| 07:46.10 | itchi | alarm: We not use that cd. With 'We' i mean; experienced users. These just install first the bare-minimal and then install the stuff us need |
| 07:46.18 | ice63 | you can install gnome frum kde cd |
| 07:46.30 | wols | alarm: you have do download the full kde cd when you only need a few packages. that certainly takes longer than downloading only the packages you need |
| 07:46.42 | dutchfish | christof, you running apache2 as root? |
| 07:46.56 | alarm | okie |
| 07:46.56 | Mirrakor | die! |
| 07:46.57 | christof | as www-data |
| 07:46.59 | alarm | i will see what i will do |
| 07:47.04 | christof | dutchfish: oops yes as root |
| 07:47.13 | hark | alarm: hit escape to get to the expert install, and see what the steps are |
| 07:47.14 | dutchfish | christof, there you go |
| 07:47.19 | xingu | hmm, cute, somehow xorg has enabled the XINERAMA server extention but is failing XINERAMAGetState requests with BadWindow |
| 07:47.32 | alarm | hark if u read at the begening i did start an expert intstall |
| 07:47.43 | alarm | as also an expertgui install |
| 07:47.55 | itchi | alarm: Here at home, i use the netinstall cd, for every box. I make use of apt-proxy, so the required packages are leaved on computer, for the next one who need it. |
| 07:48.15 | christof | dutchfish: explain? |
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| 07:48.20 | alarm | and i repeat , there is nothing during the installation where i can simple quit the part of the installation (taskel as u mention it) and use aptitute |
| 07:48.37 | dutchfish | christof, if apache2 runs chrooted maybe you have a permission problem |
| 07:48.47 | itchi | alarm: The ESC (escape) button? |
| 07:49.13 | dutchfish | christof, is this a Plesk based apache2? |
| 07:49.19 | alarm | escape maybe asks me to cancel the installation ? |
| 07:49.57 | wols | alarm: cause you don't use aptitude while installing. You END the install without installing anything via tasksle. THEN install kdebase |
| 07:50.03 | wols | alarm: do you get it now? |
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| 07:50.50 | alarm | i guess so. i will try it.. thank you and sorry if i was a bit annoying |
| 07:51.02 | wols | it's sunday. it's expected |
| 07:51.19 | itchi | alarm: No worry, you miss experiences with it ;-) Just play with the stuff and have fun! :-)- |
| 07:51.33 | alarm | :) |
| 07:51.40 | alarm | bye |
| 07:51.49 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 07:51.49 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:52.00 | ben[tv] | !gnome2.16 |
| 07:52.07 | christof | dutchfish: it is not chrooted |
| 07:52.08 | itchi | Bah, he was not a troll at all |
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| 07:52.35 | dutchfish | christof, i advise to carefully check apache2 configuration |
| 07:52.56 | wols | itchi: but a bit ignorant |
| 07:53.14 | wols | christof: how did you manage to run apache2 as root? |
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| 07:53.28 | hark | ah, he left.. i had the screenshot for him |
| 07:53.39 | itchi | wols: I call it unexperienced :-p |
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| 07:54.01 | wols | itchi: we gave him the answers almost immediately but he didn't understand it or didn't want to |
| 07:54.18 | wols | that's not inexperienced since to understand no experience was necessary |
| 07:54.19 | itchi | Bah, when i started 'here', i was a bit that too. You know, a bit lost in the great world :-p |
| 07:54.49 | itchi | wols: Yeah, your rigth anyway |
| 07:54.51 | todorg | hi guys i need to downgrade etch to sarge any suggestions ? |
| 07:55.03 | wols | todorg: reinstall |
| 07:55.05 | christof | wols: /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 07:55.06 | wols | !downgrade |
| 07:55.06 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 07:55.15 | dutchfish | oh well, its a mans world, it will change ... debian-woman |
| 07:55.29 | wols | christof: debian runs apache2 as www-data. if it doesn't it's not dbeian or you changed something BIG |
| 07:55.49 | christof | wols: oh yes sorry |
| 07:55.57 | christof | wols: it si launched as www-data |
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| 07:56.09 | christof | the user permission on apache is www-data |
| 07:56.15 | wols | christof: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:56.18 | tyh_124 | who can help for ape music......? |
| 07:56.33 | tyh_124 | play ape music.... |
| 07:57.03 | wols | tyh_124: tried mplayer? |
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| 07:57.28 | christof | wols: 2.3.6 |
| 07:57.34 | jzxu | okay now I'm getting frustrated |
| 07:57.46 | wols | christof: there is more to it than that |
| 07:57.55 | jzxu | it seems like whenever I use fglrx now, the monitor goes to 75 hz |
| 07:58.01 | itchi | tyh_124: Just play some weird music with your lovely audio player |
| 07:58.10 | christof | wols: what do you want to know , the mahcine is not on this comp I need to type all |
| 07:58.19 | itchi | Or is that a file format? heh |
| 07:58.21 | tyh_124 | mplayer error open video_out (-vo)..... |
| 07:58.21 | wols | christof: the full package version |
| 07:58.23 | Wuilliam-ve | Hi to all, how to use subversion, i found a Monkeymessenger but it has in svn repository, and i cant to install it, i use svn co (url) but when i do ./configure and make it shows me a problem |
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| 07:58.30 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 07:58.31 | jzxu | even though I clearly used the fglrx driver a few hours ago and the monitor was at the correct 60hz setting |
| 07:58.32 | tyh_124 | the mplayer error....:mplayer error open video_out (-vo) |
| 07:58.33 | wols | itchi: ape is a lossless codec format |
| 07:58.36 | christof | libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
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| 07:58.44 | robin_sz | ok, he wins |
| 07:58.44 | itchi | oeps :-p |
| 07:58.54 | dnanar | im using xorg/ratpoison (debian sid) and i would like change cursor theme. anyone has an idea please ? |
| 07:59.02 | wols | tyh_124: you don't need -vo with autio files, don't you? |
| 07:59.28 | hark | dnanar: try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
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| 08:00.26 | tyh_124 | no, the first is mplayer have error at player video.and the winamp for linux can play ape? |
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| 08:01.31 | dnanar | hark: no alternative for x-cursor theme :( |
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| 08:01.59 | Xires | is something wrong w/ /etc/init.d/apache2 from apache2.2 package? |
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| 08:02.24 | hark | dnanar: might have to install some.. apt-cache search cursor theme |
| 08:02.25 | alarm | i got one more question. how can i know if the nvidia drivers are succesfuly installed ? even without seeing the logo , as i guess the logo has to do with some lines in the xorg (i thing those Option "NvAgp" "1" |
| 08:02.25 | alarm | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.25 | alarm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:02.33 | hark | !paster alarm |
| 08:02.34 | dpkg | alarm: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 08:02.38 | Xires | it doesn't create a /var/run/apache2.pid file for some reason |
| 08:03.05 | hark | alarm: did you get the installer thing then? |
| 08:03.20 | alarm | through apt-get . from some txt instructions |
| 08:03.30 | hark | dnanar: but don't ever install the artwiz cursor fonts |
| 08:03.37 | Xires | can someone `ls -ld /var/run` for me? |
| 08:03.41 | alarm | the point is that i saw my resolution changed and its ideal now, i just dont know if nvidia is installed normally |
| 08:04.11 | hark | the free nv drivers are |
| 08:04.12 | alarm | as i dont see any logo yet. but i dont know if this has to do with the xorg.conf file. thats why i asked how could i know if its installed |
| 08:04.48 | alarm | those were the instructions: www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/ debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
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| 08:04.54 | itchi | alarm: Anyway, aptitude is the recommended way; that's what the devs says. Forget about apt-get |
| 08:05.29 | hark | alarm: no, the nvidia proprietary drivers will not be installed by default |
| 08:05.30 | alarm | okie , i will know it from now on for my next install |
| 08:05.38 | itchi | alarm: I suggest you to not follow any random article; at this stage |
| 08:05.55 | dnanar | hark: ok thank you :) should i restart x11 after running update alternative or does it exists a faster way pleaase ? |
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| 08:06.12 | alarm | well i did also some changes in the xorg.conf like removing dri and changing nv to nvidia. but still dont know if now everything is well installed or not . |
| 08:06.14 | hark | dnanar: you'll have to restart i believe |
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| 08:06.28 | alarm | itchi: easy for u to say that to a beginner :) |
| 08:06.30 | Xires | can someone please `ls -ld /var/run` for me? |
| 08:06.44 | dnanar | ok |
| 08:06.45 | hark | dnanar: actually never messed with the default here :) |
| 08:06.54 | itchi | alarm: Just ask here for info, people will point you to THE right documentation |
| 08:07.04 | dutchfish | christof, read the section about log rotation: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/logs.html |
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| 08:07.25 | |HellTiger| | how can i make "mv * without thisfile" ? |
| 08:07.30 | itchi | alarm: Did you try /msg dpkg nvidia ? |
| 08:07.37 | alarm | ok then. which is the correct guide for a nvidia-glx driver on debian etch ? |
| 08:07.47 | alarm | not really itchi |
| 08:07.53 | hark | alarm: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner or check the debian wiki |
| 08:07.55 | alarm | i will do now |
| 08:08.15 | itchi | alarm: Try to ask to the dpkg bot. You will be interesting with the /msg dpkg search too |
| 08:08.32 | valdyn | Xires: drwxr-xr-x 28 root root 50 29. Apr 10:05 /var/run |
| 08:08.41 | Xires | valdyn; tyvm |
| 08:08.48 | itchi | alarm: It will give you some tips to search, but the interesting part here, is to search in the factoids database of the bot dpkg |
| 08:08.53 | Xires | is apache2 meant to run as 'www-data' user? |
| 08:09.10 | itchi | Xires: Sure |
| 08:09.15 | hark | yes |
| 08:09.24 | valdyn | Xires: not exactly |
| 08:09.45 | Xires | okay..conflicting answers |
| 08:09.57 | valdyn | Xires: apache2 runs as root and forks off helper processes running as www-data |
| 08:09.58 | Xires | for some reason it doesn't create /var/run/apache2.pid |
| 08:10.06 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes |
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| 08:10.47 | aredhel | |HellTiger|, find with the -0 option combined with xargs and the understanding that if some one can mess with the files while you are runing the cmd, then it's a security hole. |
| 08:10.49 | Xires | `/etc/init.d/apache2 start` starts apache2..but I find only processes owned by www-data..none by root |
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| 08:11.15 | valdyn | Xires: ps aux | grep apache2 |
| 08:11.16 | Xires | I'm guessing it drops root privs during execution..but it still doesn't create the pidfile |
| 08:11.34 | Xires | valdyn; did..both processes running as 'www-data' |
| 08:11.42 | dutchfish | Xires, what about pid file path? |
| 08:12.01 | valdyn | Xires: on which debian release is this? |
| 08:12.10 | christof | dutchfish: thx I m reading |
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| 08:12.14 | Xires | Etch..I have not edited Apache confgiuration yet |
| 08:12.16 | Xires | (configuration) |
| 08:12.34 | ribasushi | Xires: apache2 or apache? |
| 08:12.50 | valdyn | Xires: are you using the apache2-mpm-worker ? |
| 08:12.51 | Xires | ribasushi; 2.2 |
| 08:12.55 | Xires | no, mpm-itk |
| 08:13.19 | ribasushi | Xires: erm try the worker first, get it working, then change the mpm |
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| 08:13.32 | Xires | ribasushi; is that a common problem? |
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| 08:13.43 | valdyn | Xires: why do you think you have a problem then? |
| 08:13.45 | ribasushi | Xires: not that I know of, but then it is marked as experimental |
| 08:13.54 | jzxu | itchi, hark: you guys won't believe how I managed to fix the problem |
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| 08:14.06 | Xires | ribasushi; point taken..but it appears to do the same thing with prefork MPM |
| 08:14.17 | dutchfish | christof, if an external connection is statefull, it cant do this, maybe this is your problem |
| 08:14.26 | Xires | valdyn; because it doesn't create /var/run/apache2.pid..thus /etc/init.d/apache2 cannot stop or restart the process |
| 08:14.27 | valdyn | Xires: going from the description it will run only as www-data and www-data cant create such a pid file |
| 08:14.46 | ribasushi | Xires: try prefork, and then run ps faux - look at the root of the tree |
| 08:14.53 | valdyn | Xires: file a bug report and use something that is not experimental |
| 08:14.58 | Xires | but it is supposed to be started as root..create it's pidfile & drop privs to www-data |
| 08:15.02 | ribasushi | Xires: all my systems have a parent process run by root |
| 08:15.10 | hark | jzxu: yes? |
| 08:15.20 | ribasushi | Xires: your problem might be a weird var/run or something |
| 08:15.31 | itchi | jzxu: Tell |
| 08:15.38 | valdyn | his problem is that he's using an experimental mpm |
| 08:15.40 | Xires | ribasushi; prefork is doing the same |
| 08:15.44 | Xires | worker does not |
| 08:15.45 | jzxu | in gnome, I did menu->Desktop->Preferences->Screen Resolution->refresh rate->60hz |
| 08:15.59 | ribasushi | Xires: I don't believe you :) |
| 08:16.25 | jzxu | how the hell would that possibly override my xorg.conf settings is beyond me |
| 08:16.25 | christof | dutchyes but this is not a webserver very sollicited |
| 08:16.45 | christof | dutchfish: again less the sunday morning |
| 08:16.45 | Xires | www-data 31278 0.0 2.6 46620 27500 ? S 03:16 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 08:16.45 | Xires | www-data 31279 72.0 2.6 46936 27376 ? R 03:16 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 08:16.46 | valdyn | jzxu: why not? |
| 08:16.58 | Xires | ribasushi; that's prefork MPM |
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| 08:17.03 | valdyn | jzxu: xrandr can set resolutions independent of xorg.conf |
| 08:17.06 | itchi | jzxu: Why? Do you not have a backup file of it? (made by dpkg (not the bot heh)) |
| 08:17.08 | ribasushi | Xires: I asked for ps faux not aux |
| 08:17.11 | hark | probably uses xrandr |
| 08:17.29 | ribasushi | look where are the apache2 -k start's attached |
| 08:17.31 | hark | er, what valdyn said :) |
| 08:17.52 | jzxu | so xrandr is this new-fangled display manager? I've never heard of it |
| 08:18.04 | valdyn | !randr |
| 08:18.05 | Xires | ribasushi; here is ps awfux w/o grep |
| 08:18.05 | dpkg | i heard 3r is Rotate and Resize (and Reflect) extensions for XFree86, that allow the xserver to inform the x-clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/randr/ |
| 08:18.05 | Xires | www-data 31278 0.0 2.6 46620 27500 ? S 03:16 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 08:18.05 | Xires | www-data 31279 91.8 2.6 46936 27376 ? R 03:16 1:02 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
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| 08:18.16 | dutchfish | christof, you could use a smaller timeout for its children, so this log rotation can run, i suspect that it whoos there. It doesnt mather that your server isnt very busy, 1 is enough. |
| 08:18.19 | itchi | jzxu: Try /msg dpkg dm |
| 08:18.27 | valdyn | !xrandr |
| 08:18.28 | dpkg | well, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 08:18.53 | Xires | it also has never taken that much in resources before..just started doing it an hour ago..for no apparent reason |
| 08:18.53 | jzxu | okay ... well I'm just glad I don't have to stare at that shaky screen anymore |
| 08:19.19 | jzxu | thanks for the help guyz |
| 08:19.27 | jzxu | s/guyz/guys |
| 08:19.28 | ribasushi | Xires: you pasted the same thing twice, and please don't paste here |
| 08:19.33 | hark | jzxu: ok, you dodn't answer.. you have two displays? |
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| 08:20.00 | Xires | ribasushi; I got it from 2 different terminals..and they're not identical..but I'll use #flood |
| 08:20.03 | jzxu | hark: no, the thing is, the LCD built into my laptop broke |
| 08:20.22 | jzxu | hark: so I removed it completely and am just using an external monitor via vga out |
| 08:20.23 | hark | ah, i see |
| 08:20.42 | dutchfish | christof, after all it needs a down/up cycle for doing the log rotation |
| 08:20.46 | jzxu | heh, my laptop looks like a commodore now, with just a body with a keyboard on it |
| 08:21.04 | itchi | There was a brand that gave life long guaranty for the LCD of a laptop, which one was that? |
| 08:21.18 | christof | dutchfish: ok I m taking a look on that |
| 08:21.23 | jzxu | itchi: well, I don't think they would cover what happened to me |
| 08:21.38 | jzxu | itchi: namely, that I fell on my laptop and crushed the monitor |
| 08:21.51 | dutchfish | christof, i ran into similair problem, i solved it this way |
| 08:21.57 | christof | dutchfish: ok |
| 08:21.58 | itchi | jzxu: Yeah :-s |
| 08:22.57 | dutchfish | christof, on a production server i use mon to monitor and restart apache2, so this cant happen |
| 08:23.51 | Xires | ribasushi; appears I was wrong..I changed to prefork MPM but the installation failed..prefork is properly installed now and it seems to be working fine |
| 08:23.57 | Xires | tyvm |
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| 08:24.20 | ribasushi | Xires: enjoy your web server |
| 08:25.03 | noborusan | does etch has any improvments to sarge ? |
| 08:25.03 | Xires | ribasushi; ci, again..ty..will enjoy it more when I can fix itk |
| 08:25.16 | valdyn | noborusan: only the name |
| 08:25.29 | valdyn | noborusan: or: read the release notes |
| 08:26.14 | noborusan | ok |
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| 08:28.10 | jinx099 | has anyone here sucessfully compiled gnomad2 on etch? |
| 08:28.37 | itchi | jinx099: See /msg dpkg ask |
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| 08:28.56 | valdyn | !info gnomad2 etch |
| 08:29.02 | dpkg | gnomad2: (Manage a Creative Labs Nomad Jukebox), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.8.8-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 552 kB |
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| 08:29.13 | valdyn | i guess dbuild did fine |
| 08:29.17 | valdyn | i guess dbuildd did fine |
| 08:29.58 | noborusan | It says in etch apt will verify that if the packages you download from mirror which havent been changed..do i need to do anything to use this feature ? |
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| 08:30.22 | valdyn | noborusan: it will WHAT? |
| 08:30.27 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 08:31.10 | dnanar | hark: oops i installed artwiz-cursor package now my xorg doesn't want to start ! do you know how to soolve this please ? |
| 08:31.16 | larsl | I couldn't boot my system this morning (the kernel complained about not being able to load the ramdisk), so I booted rescuegui from the Netinst CD and started a shell, and saw that the initrd file for my kernel had it's modification date set to yesterday (I installed the kernel almost a month ago). I've reinstalled the same kernel package and now everything's working again. Is it normal for the ramdisk to get rewritten, or could it be some sort of vir |
| 08:31.16 | larsl | us or attack? |
| 08:31.33 | jinx099 | i need to compile gnomad2 for mtp support, I'm getting compile errors. Has anyone here compiled it? |
| 08:31.46 | larsl | The broken ramdisk was a couple of K smaller than the good one. |
| 08:31.47 | valdyn | !tell jinx099 -about ask |
| 08:32.03 | hark | dnanar: after i explicitly told you not to? |
| 08:32.09 | valdyn | jinx099: i know that you have seen this factoid already, please follow it |
| 08:32.11 | hark | dnanar: and you're running sid too! |
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| 08:32.21 | dnanar | yes -_- |
| 08:32.23 | noborusan | valdyn, its called 'apt security policy' in etch |
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| 08:32.41 | noborusan | valdyn, says apt will check if the packages are original or no |
| 08:33.00 | valdyn | noborusan: see /topic, the 'PUBLOIC K |
| 08:33.04 | hark | dnanar: ok, give me around 10 minutes or so, and i'll walk you through it. a bit busy just now |
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| 08:33.28 | valdyn | noborusan: see /topic, the 'PUBLIC KEY' stuff, i dont think you have to do a thing at all by default, if you follow the guide on upgrading |
| 08:33.33 | dnanar | hark: ok thank you |
| 08:34.02 | hark | noborusan: you mean apt-secure? /msg dpkg apt-secure |
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| 08:36.33 | noborusan | cool,thanks valdyn and hark |
| 08:36.45 | hark | dnanar: meanwhile, purge the package |
| 08:37.25 | jinx099 | valdyn: dpkg is not giving me any useful info. Do I need to ask it in this channel instead of private? |
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| 08:37.35 | valdyn | !ask |
| 08:37.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:37.54 | larsl | Are there any packages other than kernel image packages that touch the initrd for that kernel? |
| 08:38.08 | valdyn | larsl: no |
| 08:38.12 | larsl | Hm. |
| 08:38.15 | wols | larsl: initramfs-tools rebuilt initrd too |
| 08:38.21 | luosm_ | I'm following wiki to install beryl on debian, I tried to install and apt-cache search libxvompositel |
| 08:38.23 | larsl | wols: Oh, they do? |
| 08:38.26 | luosm_ | with no luck, any idea? |
| 08:38.36 | wols | larsl: it did for me yesterday when I upgraded my sid |
| 08:38.51 | jinx099 | I have a problem with gnomad2; I'm running debian etch. When I try to compile it I get an error. |
| 08:38.54 | wols | !tell luosm_ about beryl |
| 08:39.03 | luosm_ | wols: I did msg dpkg |
| 08:39.03 | wols | !tell jinx099 about errors |
| 08:39.09 | larsl | Is there a log somewhere over what packages were installed or upgraded at what time? |
| 08:39.09 | hark | luosm_: change that v to c |
| 08:39.18 | valdyn | jinx099: hehe, not bad, now paste the error message on a paste site |
| 08:39.19 | luosm_ | wols: my problem is "though 1 is l" |
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| 08:39.36 | luosm_ | hark: I mis-read it |
| 08:39.43 | luosm_ | I apologize for that |
| 08:39.45 | hark | larsl: if on >= etch, check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 08:39.50 | valdyn | luosm_: you need libxcomposite-dev to compile beryl |
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| 08:40.05 | hark | larsl: if you use aptitude, then /var/log/aptitude |
| 08:40.11 | wols | valdyn: why compile when there are debs? |
| 08:40.25 | hark | dnanar: ok, did you purge it? |
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| 08:40.35 | valdyn | wols: oh, i was just assuming he was compiling |
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| 08:41.15 | luosm_ | valdyn: No I wasn't :-) great wiki I hope I won't face any trouble though :-) |
| 08:41.37 | xingu | dammit |
| 08:41.37 | wols | luosm_: depends a bit on your videocard and driver... |
| 08:41.53 | xingu | there doesn't seem to be a way to prevent the XINERAMA extension getting loaded |
| 08:42.04 | larsl | hark: Thanks. |
| 08:42.10 | jinx099 | I have a problem with gnomad2; I'm running debian etch. When I try to compile it I get an error. Here is the error output: http://pastebin.ca/464040 |
| 08:42.25 | war | where does Debian set the ulimit for core files to 0? |
| 08:42.44 | luosm_ | wols: ati radeon x700 |
| 08:42.46 | turffy | hi is there a way in debian (command line) to check if your cpu fun is running, Im using a laptop thinkpad R50e? |
| 08:42.56 | dnanar | hark: well in fact when i installed artwz-cursor, dpkg did not end correctly |
| 08:43.05 | valdyn | jinx099: looks like something is wrong with that gnomad source package |
| 08:43.06 | wols | luosm_: you will have lots of problems. you need XGL. good luck |
| 08:43.24 | luosm_ | wols: I won't install it then |
| 08:43.29 | larsl | Apparently I upgraded initramfs-tools yesterday, and apparently that broke my ramdisk for my 2.6.20-rc5-rt7 kernel. But when I reinstalled the same kernel package (which, I assume, rebuilt the ramdisk again) it worked. |
| 08:43.32 | jinx099 | valdyn: Hmm, well I've tried 3 different versions on 2 different PC's |
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| 08:43.38 | wols | luosm_: and that composite lib is useless for you. cause fglrx has no composite support |
| 08:43.48 | luosm_ | Aw |
| 08:43.50 | dnanar | hark: so how to purge it if it's not installed ? |
| 08:43.54 | valdyn | jinx099: try 'apt-get build-dep gnomad2' and try compiling again |
| 08:44.10 | noborusan | okay,i just ran "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" |
| 08:44.14 | luosm_ | Pity |
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| 08:44.28 | wols | larsl: why do you need a initrd? |
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| 08:44.45 | hark | dnanar: tried an aptitude purge artwiz-cursor? |
| 08:44.46 | turffy | any one? |
| 08:44.48 | noborusan | from now on,i can safely do apt to download from mirror sites without worrying about packages that wether they have been changed and stuff ? |
| 08:45.02 | noborusan | whether* |
| 08:45.06 | larsl | wols: I don't know if I do, I just followed the standard kernel package procedure. |
| 08:45.07 | valdyn | jinx099: certainly a broken source package will not compile on any pc |
| 08:45.11 | dnanar | hark: yes but it didn't solve anything |
| 08:45.23 | wols | turffy: acpi* programs might show it |
| 08:45.31 | hark | dnanar: ok, now run dpkg-divert --remove /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/cursor.pcf.gz |
| 08:45.41 | hark | dnanar: and reinstall xfonts-base |
| 08:46.10 | valdyn | jinx099: check upstream for info on this bug or a new source release or an older working source release |
| 08:46.13 | wols | larsl: has nothing to do with that. if you don't need one, configure your kernel with all the sutff needed for booting compiled in and ditch initrd |
| 08:46.36 | turffy | wols: i think thats for battery status |
| 08:46.40 | larsl | wols: OK. I think I'd rather not touch anything at the moment though. =) |
| 08:46.50 | wols | turffy: it also has a setting for fan status |
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| 08:47.15 | turffy | mm.. ok let me try, thanks |
| 08:47.18 | wols | larsl: do you use raid? |
| 08:47.24 | larsl | wols: Nope. |
| 08:47.31 | larsl | wols: A single disk. |
| 08:47.44 | wols | then there shouldb't be a reason why you need initrd |
| 08:47.56 | larsl | wols: Thanks. I'll turn it off next time I build a kernel. |
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| 08:50.01 | dnanar | hark: thanks a lot it worked perfectly |
| 08:51.31 | hark | dnanar: great, enjoy teh cursors and once again don't install the damn artwiz-cursor package ;) |
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| 08:52.55 | MrRagga | hi, where can i get recently 2.6.X kernel images for debian? |
| 08:53.02 | dnanar | hark: yes :) but just for info what does dpkg-divert ? i dont understand what they call a "diverted location" in the manpage ? |
| 08:53.52 | jinx099 | valdyn: I got gnomad2 to compile now by doing build-dep, but now it can't load libmtp for some reason. Thanks for your help. |
| 08:54.37 | wols | luosm_: just don't forget to compile in your sata controller driver and root filesystem |
| 08:55.04 | wols | MrRagga: on your repository |
| 08:55.11 | wols | *from |
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| 08:58.37 | hark | dnanar: moment |
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| 09:00.02 | MrRagga | wols: 2.6.20 or 2.6.21 ? |
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| 09:02.08 | wols | MrRagga: not in stable of course |
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| 09:02.22 | wols | MrRagga: is there any special reason you need .20 or .21? |
| 09:02.33 | dutchfish | xingu, again? |
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| 09:03.29 | xingu | dutchfish: still; turns out there's no way to disable the xinerama extention from being reported as supported by the server |
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| 09:04.52 | MrRagga | wols: 2.6.8 is too early, a recent kernel > 2.6.18/9 would be great |
| 09:05.44 | hark | MrRagga: etch backports has 2.6.20 afaik |
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| 09:08.02 | MrRagga | hark: thx |
| 09:08.39 | wols | MrRagga: if you run etch you have 2.6.18 |
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| 09:08.39 | wols | no need for backports |
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| 09:08.51 | MrRagga | wols: i still have sarge |
| 09:08.55 | MrRagga | wols: thanks |
| 09:08.56 | dutchfish | xingu, mergedfb (some cards) to do dynamic reconfig? |
| 09:09.00 | wols | MrRagga: then upgrade |
| 09:09.19 | wols | MrRagga: sarge is oldstable now, etch is stable |
| 09:09.39 | xingu | dutchfish: the point is I want my xserver to stop reporting that it's capable of supporting xinerama |
| 09:09.40 | hark | ah, misread.. thought he wanted 2.6.20 on etch :) |
| 09:09.53 | xingu | dutchfish: there is no way to do this with current xorg |
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| 09:09.57 | dutchfish | xingu, i know blacklisting doesnt work .... mmm |
| 09:10.08 | MrRagga | wols: i know. but i still have some applications running, where i don't know if they will survive the upgrade and i don't have time atm for trouble shooting |
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| 09:10.30 | hark | xingu: maybe in the serverflags section? |
| 09:10.42 | wols | sooner or later you MUST upgrade... |
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| 09:11.05 | xingu | hark: done that |
| 09:11.29 | xingu | hark: server flag, modules, modules subsection, server command line - all of 'em |
| 09:11.40 | xingu | hark: xdpyinfo *still* reports the extension |
| 09:11.46 | xingu | it's fubar |
| 09:12.04 | xingu | brokensauce |
| 09:12.10 | hark | heh, i think it's also supposed to be disabled by default though |
| 09:12.14 | xingu | yes |
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| 09:12.19 | xingu | but the extension is still reported |
| 09:12.28 | xingu | even when the code is disabled |
| 09:12.33 | xingu | f-u-b-a-r |
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| 09:12.40 | hark | heh, fun :) |
| 09:12.52 | alarm | hello once more. i wanted to know how can i may some gnome or java applications have the same fonts as the rest (in kde ) |
| 09:13.28 | xingu | so if something is using the extension-presence as a boolean to work out if it should use xinerama api it'll get confoozed and fail |
| 09:13.46 | hark | set them in your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 for gtk2 apps |
| 09:14.28 | xingu | hark: there's even a command line -disablexineramaextension that err doesn't |
| 09:14.37 | valdyn | alarm: there's package integrating gnome/gtk settings into kcontrol |
| 09:14.56 | hark | gtk-qt-engines or similar iirc |
| 09:15.07 | alarm | i looked into kcontrol under appearance but didnt find anything (or didnt look well enough) |
| 09:15.25 | hark | dnanar: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 |
| 09:15.47 | valdyn | gtk-qt-engine - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x |
| 09:15.56 | hark | dnanar: the package had a broken diversion probably, don't remember the exact specifics :) |
| 09:16.09 | Xires | ribasushi; may I speak to your privately? |
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| 09:16.36 | alarm | valdyn, that was for me: "gtk-qt-engine - theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x" ? |
| 09:16.50 | valdyn | alarm: yes |
| 09:16.51 | alarm | in the kcontrol i dont see anything like that |
| 09:16.57 | alarm | maybe i should install it |
| 09:17.19 | dutchfish | xingu, wasnt it disablexineramaExtension (watch the capital E)? |
| 09:17.53 | xingu | dutchfish: not on the commandline no |
| 09:17.59 | dutchfish | xingu, k |
| 09:18.03 | alarm | does that need x or the os to be restarted to take effect ? |
| 09:18.16 | valdyn | alarm: only kcontrol |
| 09:18.18 | alarm | ohh not |
| 09:18.25 | alarm | ok now its fine. thank you :) |
| 09:18.26 | xingu | dutchfish: at least, that's what strings -a /usr/bin/Xorg thinks |
| 09:18.44 | dutchfish | xingu, k |
| 09:19.55 | erpo_ | If I install libc6-dev, will I my programs use a version of libm with symbols? |
| 09:20.07 | erpo_ | s/I my/my/ |
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| 09:21.32 | Xires | valdyn; may I have a moment of your time? |
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| 09:24.13 | DGnome | Upgrade broke squid or bind, "Refused: The name server refuses to perform the specified operation." Any ideas how to fix? |
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| 09:24.47 | dutchfish | xingu, would setting SGIOMP_META_DISPLAY be helpfull? |
| 09:24.57 | DGnome | Cant find anything that seems wrong. |
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| 09:25.28 | war | Importing accout for polw...ok <- typo in debian Samba |
| 09:25.32 | war | should be account |
| 09:26.38 | xingu | dutchfish: dunno, wossat do? |
| 09:27.02 | dutchfish | xingu, section troubleshooting: http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi/linux/bks/SGI_EndUser/books/OMP_UG/sgi_html/ch06.html#LE10542-PARENT |
| 09:28.08 | hark | you could try #debian-x as well |
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| 09:28.38 | xingu | dutchfish: not with SGIOMP_META_DISPLAY=$DISPLAY at least |
| 09:28.46 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
| 09:28.59 | xingu | hark: have reportbug'd it, lets see what the strikeforce do. :) |
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| 09:30.18 | ivx | has anyone gotten any updates for etch yet? I haven't gotten anything yet, and am starting to think something might be wrong with my sources.list or something |
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| 09:31.54 | dutchfish | ivx, intresting q |
| 09:32.01 | utrrrongeeb | aptitude waves the big "untrusted source" warning when I try to install packages from Etch DVDs. |
| 09:32.02 | cahoot | ivx: i e etch *is* stable |
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| 09:33.11 | ivx | this is the first time i have run actual debian, i have always used debian based, don't know how often there are usually updates for |
| 09:33.48 | dutchfish | ivx, in sarge not that many, ill expect in etch even less |
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| 09:34.37 | nyty | u |
| 09:34.39 | ivx | dutchfish yeah debian is like a rock, zero problems and no bugs (that effect me atleast). I wish i would have started with it sooner |
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| 09:34.53 | dutchfish | :) |
| 09:36.20 | dutchfish | ivx, however kernel development is going faster & faster, so i expect shorter release cycles, wich will make everyone more flexible |
| 09:37.08 | DGnome | debian is perfect for enterprise++ use imho :) |
| 09:37.25 | ivx | dutchfish, that was the only real down side, starge didn't have php 5 in the repos, and i didn't want to use some random repos to get it |
| 09:37.45 | dutchfish | ivx, well you have been served ;) |
| 09:37.47 | ivx | so waited a little for etch.... |
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| 09:38.18 | valdyn | ivx: etch does not get updates except to fix serious bugs ( mostly security related ), newer packages are at backports.org |
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| 09:38.56 | wols | ivx: for stable there will be only security updates basically. and beginning with etch a new kernel version every 6 months or so |
| 09:39.13 | ivx | valdyn, all the packages in etch are new enough so i'm happy |
| 09:39.14 | wols | and if history continues, the next debian version will come out in approx 2 years |
| 09:39.32 | valdyn | !debian-volatile |
| 09:39.32 | dpkg | methinks debian-volatile is a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
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| 09:40.38 | Math^ | ok, maybe a stupid question... but how do i safe a file from vim? |
| 09:40.56 | cahoot | run vimtutor |
| 09:41.03 | Math^ | wq says: there is no name |
| 09:41.06 | Math^ | :/ |
| 09:41.13 | cahoot | :w |
| 09:41.15 | valdyn | Math^: ':w' or ':w <name>' |
| 09:41.17 | Math^ | oh |
| 09:41.19 | Gnea | so give it one |
| 09:41.25 | ivx | math^ :qw might work |
| 09:41.30 | Math^ | thanx |
| 09:41.40 | ivx | i mean :wq |
| 09:41.44 | Math^ | ye didnt |
| 09:41.45 | ivx | write then quit |
| 09:41.53 | Math^ | becouse i started vim without opening a file |
| 09:41.54 | Gnea | Math^: vimtutor is an excellent command. |
| 09:42.04 | Math^ | vimtutor? |
| 09:42.08 | Gnea | vimtutor |
| 09:42.17 | Math^ | apt-get install vimtutor? |
| 09:42.17 | Gnea | yeah, type it in another terminal |
| 09:42.23 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:42.27 | Gnea | do you know about the tab key? |
| 09:42.37 | Math^ | autocomplete? |
| 09:42.48 | Gnea | yeah |
| 09:42.53 | Gnea | if you type vimt<tab> |
| 09:42.59 | Math^ | :) |
| 09:43.00 | Math^ | lol |
| 09:43.19 | Math^ | dont have it |
| 09:44.04 | Gnea | ok, then yeah, apt-get install it |
| 09:44.04 | Math^ | hmm |
| 09:44.04 | Math^ | not in the repositories |
| 09:44.04 | ivx | what command will tell me how many users are logged on a box via ssh? |
| 09:44.05 | Gnea | try apt-get install vim-common |
| 09:44.19 | Gnea | !newbiedocs |
| 09:44.23 | Gnea | !newbiedoc |
| 09:44.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
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| 09:44.32 | Gnea | you guys really need to visit that website ^^^ |
| 09:44.35 | Math^ | already installed |
| 09:44.46 | hark | install vim-runtime then |
| 09:45.11 | Gnea | Math^: what branch are you running? |
| 09:45.12 | Gnea | !branch |
| 09:45.12 | dpkg | from memory, branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
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| 09:45.24 | Math^ | ok it works |
| 09:45.43 | wintix | ivx: users |
| 09:45.43 | Math^ | im currently in ubuntu :) |
| 09:45.52 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 09:45.52 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 09:45.52 | giupy | i try to use ssh between two pc debian, they are under a modem router, if i try to connect the client to the sshd pc, adsl connection goe down, why ? |
| 09:46.14 | Math^ | :O |
| 09:46.21 | Math^ | you guys dont like ubuntu |
| 09:46.23 | Gnea | Math^: you need to go to #ubuntu then, we don't support ubuntu here. |
| 09:46.28 | Math^ | lol |
| 09:46.31 | Gnea | no, we don't *support* it |
| 09:46.38 | Math^ | i was just askting something about vim |
| 09:46.41 | Math^ | nothing else :) |
| 09:46.51 | Gnea | 'support' and 'like' are 2 different things |
| 09:46.59 | Gnea | ubuntu kicks ass |
| 09:47.04 | Gnea | we just... support debian here |
| 09:47.10 | Math^ | :/ |
| 09:47.10 | dutchfish | !ass |
| 09:47.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ass is what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
| 09:47.13 | giupy | are there flames ? :) |
| 09:47.15 | Gnea | perhaps #vim would help |
| 09:47.16 | Math^ | nevermind, im already gone |
| 09:47.19 | ivx | Math^ it is just you should ask in the right channel |
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| 09:47.50 | Gnea | he knew he wouldn't get help if he said ubuntu right away |
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| 09:48.07 | giupy | can my problem caused by amuled and amuleweb running on the sshd pc ? |
| 09:48.26 | valdyn | giupy: no |
| 09:48.36 | ivx | how many people take their chevys to the honda dealership to get worked on? anyone? |
| 09:48.40 | giupy | k |
| 09:48.45 | giupy | so what? :) |
| 09:48.52 | wietz0r | I have installed debian, but have foolishly removed my windows partition, now I want to use gparted (livecd) to shrink my /home/ and install windows in the space that is freed up, what consequences does this have for GRUB ? Do I need to reinstall it? |
| 09:49.00 | jetscreamer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfkucaGv0oA&mode=related&search= |
| 09:49.12 | valdyn | giupy: adsl connection going down because you use ssh sounds impossible |
| 09:49.26 | valdyn | giupy: more likely that correlation is just your theory |
| 09:49.28 | giupy | valdyn i don't understand you |
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| 09:49.29 | wols | wietz0r: unless you change the partition /boot is on, no consequences |
| 09:49.36 | Blissex | wietz0r: no need to reinstall if you don't change the number of existing partitions. |
| 09:49.44 | cahoot | ivx: car repair shops are flexible you know |
| 09:49.55 | wietz0r | Blissex: But, I'm adding a ntfs partition |
| 09:50.17 | dutchfish | cahoot, not as flexible as debian, you know ;) |
| 09:50.30 | giupy | valdyn when i try ssh x.x.x.x i see the browser that is loading a page with the router page "no dsl connection" |
| 09:50.38 | wintix | wietz0r: windows overwrites the master boot record, so you will definitely have to reinstall grub. |
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| 09:50.48 | ivx | cahoot, not dealerships, even if they have mechanics that have an ASE for something else they most likely won't |
| 09:50.50 | wietz0r | wintix: Can I do that from windows ? |
| 09:50.51 | wols | giupy: ssh won't start a browser |
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| 09:51.05 | wols | wietz0r: no |
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| 09:51.16 | giupy | wols yes, i open a browser to see that dsl problem |
| 09:51.23 | giupy | wols i know |
| 09:51.33 | nyty | please, i do my own kernel and i cant found where i can enable AES cryptography |
| 09:51.35 | giupy | i use ssh in a terminal |
| 09:51.40 | valdyn | crashing your adsl modem by sshing a random local ip, that is funny |
| 09:51.48 | wols | giupy: as valdyn said: to attempt a ssh connections won't kill a dsl connection |
| 09:52.09 | giupy | wols it's happend |
| 09:52.15 | giupy | to me |
| 09:52.18 | wols | giupy: if it does. get a new modem |
| 09:52.22 | wols | yours is broken |
| 09:52.30 | valdyn | giupy: ask the vendor of that modem, we cant fix or support it |
| 09:52.34 | giupy | can it be really a router problem ? |
| 09:52.38 | dutchfish | wols, giupy unless your network is totally consumed by tor |
| 09:52.45 | hark | nyty: you can search with / |
| 09:52.54 | giupy | tor ? |
| 09:52.59 | wols | !tor |
| 09:53.00 | dpkg | from memory, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 09:53.13 | wols | dutchfish: and what has tor to do with it? |
| 09:53.24 | wols | dutchfish: if anything it would be a P2P problem, not a tor specific one |
| 09:53.30 | dutchfish | wols, i meant amule, sorry |
| 09:53.39 | wols | dutchfish: same thing applies there |
| 09:53.42 | giupy | amuleweb go fine |
| 09:55.29 | nyty | yes |
| 09:55.29 | nyty | thx |
| 09:55.29 | wols | giupy: if you run P2P apps with a shitty router you don't need to look further for a possible problem |
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| 09:55.29 | valdyn | even the shittiest router isnt going to crash on ssh <ip> |
| 09:55.29 | valdyn | or one should hope at least |
| 09:55.29 | giupy | wols i have a zyxel 660 |
| 09:55.29 | giupy | i think it's a good router |
| 09:55.29 | wols | valdyn: no it crashes on the P2P stuff but it might look for the user like it does crash on ssh |
| 09:55.29 | wols | giupy: unlikely |
| 09:55.30 | dutchfish | wols, yes exactly |
| 09:55.32 | jzu | itchi: No, Im not. :) |
| 09:55.36 | giupy | well, my router can crash when i try to make a ssh connection ? |
| 09:55.42 | wols | giupy: no |
| 09:55.49 | valdyn | giupy: we cant support your router |
| 09:55.53 | wols | unless the router is seriously broken |
| 09:55.57 | hark | jzu: yes you are! |
| 09:56.15 | giupy | valdyn i know, but i don't know if that is the prob :) |
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| 09:56.23 | jzu | hark: Oh yes! |
| 09:56.24 | itchi | jzu: oh, if you where xjzu? |
| 09:56.25 | wols | giupy: we don't know either |
| 09:56.28 | giupy | i have never used ssh before yesterday |
| 09:56.31 | valdyn | giupy: use a debian box as router and the modem in bridge mode |
| 09:56.38 | jzu | itchi: No, Im not xjzu :) |
| 09:56.39 | itchi | jzu: Or whatever there ... I have forget that other user name :-p |
| 09:56.41 | hark | itchi: ban him.. quick! ;) |
| 09:56.51 | jzu | :D |
| 09:56.55 | giupy | valyes, that can be a solution |
| 09:57.14 | valdyn | giupy: or provide useful error messages, your theory of ssh having a thing to do with this may just be wrong |
| 09:57.36 | giupy | valdyn i did want to know this, thanks all |
| 09:58.26 | itchi | I'm looking for a great mailserver setup. Someone know a nice doc? |
| 09:58.41 | wols | itchi: ispmail sarge. google that |
| 09:58.44 | dutchfish | itchi, define mailserver |
| 09:58.52 | itchi | It's just for personal usage. With imap too |
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| 10:00.15 | itchi | I used exim, fetchmail, procmail, courier. But i still miss some knowledges about it. buahaha :-p Bah, my mail goes not out :-) Just get my mail at this stage :-) |
| 10:00.24 | giupy | thanks all i go now |
| 10:00.27 | giupy | bye |
| 10:00.53 | itchi | wols: Thanks, found some nice results :-) |
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| 10:17.42 | lexoplex | I have xfonts-terminus installed, and when I do 'xlsfonts', none of the alias names is listed. I tried 'update-fonts-alias /etc/X11/fonts/X11R7/misc/' as root, but that didn't help. What could be wrong? |
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| 10:18.25 | wols | !defoma |
| 10:18.25 | dpkg | somebody said defoma was Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 10:18.43 | ma3x | when I try to play something with xmms it says please check that: your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin installed, no other program is blocking the soundcard |
| 10:18.58 | wols | itchi: you need a smarthost |
| 10:19.06 | wols | googlemail can do it for example |
| 10:19.24 | wols | ma3x: alsa or oss? |
| 10:19.29 | ma3x | wols, oss |
| 10:19.55 | lexoplex | wols: Thanks. |
| 10:19.57 | robin_sz | sigh .. so many packages seem to have gone awol ... this is a mess :( |
| 10:20.00 | wols | ma3x: then set the OSS output plugin |
| 10:20.01 | ma3x | wols, anyway what package should I install to get /dev/dsp ? no such file now |
| 10:20.22 | ma3x | wols, it's alreday chosen OSS plugin |
| 10:20.27 | wols | no package. it's a kernel module thing |
| 10:20.29 | hark | modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 10:20.59 | wols | ma3x: I asked what your sound system uses, not what xmms uses. and you have to make sure sound works in the first palce |
| 10:21.01 | itchi | wols: I have there an account too. So in short, i want to able to centralise my mail (diff accounts) and be able to 'easy' fetch my mail from anywhere on my network. Especially for the laptop |
| 10:21.02 | wols | *place |
| 10:21.29 | ma3x | wols, it works if I select alsa output plugin. I don't know what my system uses, ive configured sound with alsaconf |
| 10:21.37 | itchi | wols: Heh, i have my old config, but ... I try to get it again working like it was. Without looking to the old config :-p |
| 10:21.41 | ma3x | wols, oss output plugin doesn't detect the audio device |
| 10:21.47 | wols | ma3x: you use alsa. then use alsa in xmms or do what hark told you |
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| 10:21.53 | furiozo | hi all |
| 10:21.57 | wols | cause you don't have oss emulation loaded |
| 10:22.01 | itchi | wols: I need to learn the great stuff :-) |
| 10:22.26 | ma3x | wols, I will put snd_pcm_oss to /etc/modules is that a good idea? |
| 10:22.28 | furiozo | i have 1 question, i install debian 4.0 and after installation i not have command: apt-setup howto i download |
| 10:22.39 | hark | ma3x: use alsa? |
| 10:22.41 | wols | furiozo: apt-spy |
| 10:22.47 | furiozo | what is it? |
| 10:22.51 | ma3x | hark, why not oss? |
| 10:23.24 | hark | hmm, why indeed? |
| 10:23.46 | ma3x | hark, is there any difference in sound quality between the 2? |
| 10:23.55 | wols | ma3x: cause it apparently doesn't work and needs additional steps? besides that alsa is the default xmms plugin for debian now |
| 10:23.57 | itchi | furiozo: It spy the fastest mirror and add these to your /etc/apt/sources.list apt-setup is gone |
| 10:23.58 | ma3x | is alsa like original and oss like copy or emulation |
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| 10:24.11 | furiozo | hmm |
| 10:24.18 | ma3x | wols, I just installed xmms and oss was default |
| 10:24.22 | wols | ma3x: you talking without knowledge.as usual |
| 10:24.30 | robin_sz | so ... to help me understand the landscape ... lenny is that based on Sid or Etch? |
| 10:24.33 | furiozo | anybody past example source list |
| 10:24.44 | furiozo | i am lame |
| 10:24.46 | furiozo | :) |
| 10:24.47 | wols | robin_sz: on sid. and etch is based on sid too ... |
| 10:24.53 | ma3x | wols, I told you I didn't touch anything , I went to preferences and oss output plugin was default |
| 10:24.56 | itchi | furiozo: The apt-setup was in base-* (somethings) but that package is gone. Look on the Debian's wiki the Sarge to Etch page |
| 10:24.58 | wols | robin_sz: what you ask doesn't make much sense... |
| 10:25.08 | furiozo | ok |
| 10:25.10 | furiozo | 10x |
| 10:25.16 | wols | furiozo: have you run apt-spy? |
| 10:25.28 | furiozo | no, i not have command apt-spy |
| 10:25.37 | hark | !tell furiozo about sources.list |
| 10:25.39 | jetscreamer | back up your sources first if you do |
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| 10:25.47 | robin_sz | wols, no it makes perfect sense ... was lenny formed by taking an etch and adding newer bits, or by taking a Sid and trying to tame it into a testing state? |
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| 10:25.55 | Scapy | hi, is anyone running zenoss |
| 10:25.59 | itchi | furiozo: You need to install that tool |
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| 10:26.12 | jetscreamer | sid is crafted into testing which eventually becomes stable |
| 10:26.15 | hark | ma3x: if some apps want oss, alsa provids an emulation mode too |
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| 10:26.24 | wols | !tell Scapy about anyone |
| 10:26.25 | furiozo | oky |
| 10:26.43 | hark | furiozo: you can download it from p.d.o if you want |
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| 10:27.10 | Scapy | hi,can i find help running zenoss =D |
| 10:27.12 | furiozo | mm what is p.d.o |
| 10:27.12 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, so you are saying Lenny started out as a snapshot of Sid, right? |
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| 10:27.30 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: 'roughly' |
| 10:27.33 | hark | ma3x: OSS is deprecated now, it's better to stick with alsa |
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| 10:28.01 | hark | robin_sz: ah, so you were running lenny? |
| 10:28.07 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: packages stay, bugs get worked out, eventually it filters into testing |
| 10:28.09 | wols | !tell Scapy about ask |
| 10:28.19 | jetscreamer | stay in sid |
| 10:28.20 | itchi | Scapy: Still not clear at all! |
| 10:28.34 | robin_sz | hark, no, I was working out whther to upgrade the Etch laptop to lenny or not |
| 10:28.54 | jetscreamer | kinda like a rough cut, then the polish gets added for stable |
| 10:28.59 | itchi | Scapy: Anyway it's not packaged |
| 10:29.41 | robin_sz | hark, if Lenny had been formed by taking an etch and adding packages from Sid, I might have goen for it now, if its come from Sid and is being 'refined' .. I'll wait until its a bit smoother before trying it |
| 10:29.45 | hark | Scapy: try #zenoss then |
| 10:30.01 | Scapy | i have a problem with zenoss, im running debian lenny , when i try to do ./install i get the following You must have a MySQL development environment installed i expected it do WORK! |
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| 10:30.30 | itchi | Scapy: bla-dev package |
| 10:30.36 | Enverex | Is Debian sticking to .18 Kernel for any particular reason? |
| 10:30.47 | robin_sz | Scapy, install mysql-dev and try again |
| 10:30.48 | Scapy | itchi, ? i dont get you |
| 10:30.55 | hark | Enverex: for etch? |
| 10:31.05 | itchi | Scapy: You probably need the mysql-dev package (the '*-dev' one) |
| 10:31.08 | Enverex | hark, Etch, Testing and Sid are all .18 |
| 10:31.13 | Scapy | ok im checking |
| 10:31.24 | wols | Enverex: when etch was frozen this was the most recent kernel basically |
| 10:31.33 | hark | Enverex: only the metapackage has not been updated to point to the kernel |
| 10:31.38 | wols | in approx half a year there will be a new kernel version for etch |
| 10:31.45 | Enverex | wols, Well that makes sense but not for Testing and Sid |
| 10:31.52 | wols | Enverex: sid has 2.6.20 at least |
| 10:31.54 | Scapy | itchi, cant you tell me the exact package name for it ? mysql 5.0 |
| 10:32.05 | hark | !info linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 10:32.09 | wols | !tell Scapy about search |
| 10:32.10 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-686: (Linux 2.6.20 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-3 (sid), Packaged size: 17086 kB, Installed size: 51696 kB |
| 10:32.11 | Enverex | wols, The meta packages all still point to .18 |
| 10:32.13 | itchi | Scapy: Dunno, looks not available |
| 10:32.26 | jetscreamer | .20 is borky |
| 10:32.28 | wols | itchi: mysql-server-dev? |
| 10:32.28 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 10:32.38 | hark | Enverex: yes, you have to explicitly install it because there are still some issues |
| 10:32.45 | Enverex | Well .21 is out now so still being on .18 irked me, lol |
| 10:32.46 | itchi | Scapy: But i'm not yet sure if it's that too :-p Did you read the docs with that package you try to install from source? |
| 10:32.58 | hark | Enverex: and etch backports has .20 too, afaik |
| 10:33.12 | wols | Enverex: it's sid and testing for a reason: people running sid should be able to build their own kernels... |
| 10:33.13 | jetscreamer | hey so is paravirtualization 'supposed' to be compiled into 2.6.20 or did the package maintainer bork up |
| 10:33.22 | Scapy | !tell wols about annoying |
| 10:33.25 | itchi | wols: Dunno, Scapy need it |
| 10:33.26 | hark | Enverex: a newer kernel is planned for etch officially too later on |
| 10:33.28 | Enverex | wols, Oh I can, I just can't be bothered, lol |
| 10:33.30 | itchi | Scapy: WTF are you doing?! |
| 10:33.41 | wols | itchi: being a sunday troll |
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| 10:33.47 | hark | jetscreamer: because no one has reported the bug, it'll stay ;p |
| 10:33.47 | Scapy | indeed |
| 10:33.49 | itchi | wols: Yeah :-s |
| 10:34.01 | Enverex | wols, Packages are just so much cleaner and save time |
| 10:34.08 | jetscreamer | hark: they filed a bug against it saying it messes up vmware |
| 10:34.30 | wols | jetscreamer: messes up nvidia drivers too |
| 10:34.50 | jetscreamer | wols: yes that's how i know.. but i don't know if that's a bug or what |
| 10:34.51 | robin_sz | weirdly, apt-cache search mysql-dev fails to find anything relevant |
| 10:34.56 | Enverex | Wonder if the Ubuntu .20 kernel works... probably not a good idea though |
| 10:34.57 | wols | hark: paravirt_ops kernel symbol is GPL marked and nvidia for some reason uses it when available |
| 10:35.10 | jetscreamer | yes nvidia-installer.log |
| 10:35.22 | jetscreamer | is where i saw it |
| 10:35.27 | hark | yeah, was j/k ;) |
| 10:35.34 | jetscreamer | o |
| 10:35.44 | wols | robin_sz: libmysqlclient15-dev probably |
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| 10:35.55 | robin_sz | probably |
| 10:35.56 | wols | Enverex: very bad idea |
| 10:36.21 | itchi | Scapy: See libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files |
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| 10:36.27 | jetscreamer | why, is ubuntu good enough to move kernel lib paths or something? |
| 10:36.29 | itchi | Scapy: Like others pointed above |
| 10:36.41 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Well Ubuntu has a working .20 kernel... |
| 10:36.50 | war | What's the proper way to change the alternatives/editor in Debian instead of just rm -f and ln -s the editor I want? |
| 10:36.52 | jetscreamer | but just compile one from kernel.org if you are in 'need' |
| 10:36.55 | hark | so, will they fix the nvidia driver or the kernel first? |
| 10:36.57 | Scapy | yeah just found that out, thanks itchi :) |
| 10:36.58 | wols | robin_sz: not a lot since FX2500 is not existing :) |
| 10:37.02 | Enverex | robin_sz, If that was a typo and you mean 5200 then it should "just work" |
| 10:37.05 | jetscreamer | war: update-alternatives |
| 10:37.08 | war | thanks |
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| 10:37.31 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Yeah but that's effort and it doesn't have that Debian "everything compiled in the kernel" thing going on |
| 10:37.32 | jetscreamer | 5200 works fine, was my last card |
| 10:37.47 | jetscreamer | Enverex: make oldconfig |
| 10:37.49 | itchi | war: Take a look to 'configure-debian' |
| 10:37.57 | hark | !why custom |
| 10:37.57 | Enverex | jetscreamer, >.< keep forgetting that one |
| 10:38.07 | war | thanks all ;) |
| 10:38.18 | hark | !custom kernel |
| 10:38.18 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 10:38.20 | Enverex | jetscreamer, But it doesn't add the "new" options and I think quite a bit has changed with the whole IDE >> SCSI thing |
| 10:38.38 | jetscreamer | oldconfig asks you when there's new stuff |
| 10:38.42 | Enverex | For the sid repo is there anything other than main non-free and contrib? |
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| 10:38.50 | jetscreamer | one of the reasons i 'don't' use it |
| 10:38.53 | Enverex | jetscreamer, I know, my point was for little arsing around :P |
| 10:39.00 | hark | Enverex: what are you looking for? |
| 10:39.14 | Enverex | hark, Just curious why the Debian kernel is lagging behind |
| 10:39.25 | hark | is it? |
| 10:39.38 | Enverex | hark, Sid meta package still points to .18 |
| 10:39.40 | Enverex | .21 is out |
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| 10:39.59 | hark | probably should be in sid soon |
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| 10:40.29 | Enverex | Do Ubuntu have a lot more people working on things like that? (what with financial backing) |
| 10:41.44 | funky | what's the best tool for managing runlevels? |
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| 10:41.48 | jetscreamer | possibly they didn't want to change the metapackage dependency till the true image functions properly |
| 10:41.51 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 10:41.58 | funky | none what I have can deal with rcS |
| 10:42.01 | liable | erm theres a .20 sid image |
| 10:42.03 | jetscreamer | best is relative |
| 10:42.10 | jetscreamer | liable: yes.... and borky |
| 10:42.12 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 10:42.22 | jetscreamer | -1 WAS borky for sure |
| 10:42.43 | itchi | funky: Look to /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 10:42.43 | jetscreamer | -3 is borky imo, but maybe that paravirt_op is supposed to be enabled i don't know |
| 10:42.45 | Enverex | There isn't even a linux-modules for .20 on amd64, lol |
| 10:42.54 | funky | itchi: ok |
| 10:42.59 | liable | 64 is its own boat |
| 10:43.01 | jetscreamer | -1 my box wouldn't boot |
| 10:43.13 | Trewas | Enverex: they have a few, but probably larger reason is that debian kernel's take a lot more effort to maintain because of much larger number of supported architectures |
| 10:43.13 | liable | jetscreamer: thats why i make my own |
| 10:43.17 | hark | liable: haha, nvidia doesen't seem to work with it (stock kernel) |
| 10:43.18 | robin_sz | wols, so what should I do with it? |
| 10:43.37 | jetscreamer | liable: yeah i made my own also, when kbuild was missing for .20 |
| 10:43.37 | liable | hark: fglrx just compiled against my .21 |
| 10:43.58 | hark | liable: but there's that xorg |
| 10:44.04 | Enverex | Trewas, Surely it's not "the" same kernel package is it? Wouldn't that make it horribly messy and bloated? A kernel for each arch would be quicker and avoid issues like this |
| 10:44.09 | jetscreamer | my custom kernels work fine :p |
| 10:44.11 | sealion | I tried .20, but it was broken on my laptop. Wanted to treat the internal pata drives as scsi and subsequently couldn't find any partitions. |
| 10:44.16 | liable | hark: yes, i still have 7.1 on hold |
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| 10:44.32 | jetscreamer | sealion: the fix for that is use UUID in fstab and menu.lst |
| 10:44.36 | robin_sz | Enverex, it wasnt a typo, it is an FX2500 |
| 10:44.44 | liable | .20 was broken for me two weeks ago, but .21 just compiled happily |
| 10:44.46 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: guess again |
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| 10:44.48 | Enverex | robin_sz, No such thing |
| 10:44.58 | jetscreamer | 5200 not 2500 |
| 10:45.11 | hark | so iow, both nvidia and fglrx are borked in sid (in their own respective ways ;) ) |
| 10:45.25 | robin_sz | no Quadro FX2500M ... next question |
| 10:45.26 | Trewas | Enverex: AFAIK the source package is the same for all architectures, and even if they were separate having more architectures means there will more bugs/issues to fix |
| 10:45.51 | jetscreamer | i have nvidia working with .20 & xorg 7.3 |
| 10:45.52 | Enverex | Trewas, At least we wouldn't all still be stuck back on .18 :/ |
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| 10:46.02 | liable | 7.3? |
| 10:46.06 | jetscreamer | yes all arch's are in linux-source |
| 10:46.13 | jetscreamer | yeah the latest in sid iirc |
| 10:46.20 | hark | jetscreamer: custom kernel is cheating ;p |
| 10:46.26 | jetscreamer | yes i know |
| 10:46.33 | liable | hark: no, custom kernel is sane :P |
| 10:46.36 | robin_sz | Enverex, sorry, but you are wrong, the nvidia FX1500 and FX2500 are relatively common in high end CAD systems |
| 10:46.38 | jetscreamer | know when to cheat and you may live to drink the water |
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| 10:47.09 | Enverex | robin_sz, Ah, but you didn't say Quadro, so as usual we assumed desktop cards |
| 10:47.18 | robin_sz | did too |
| 10:47.24 | liable | did not |
| 10:47.29 | wols | robin_sz: did not |
| 10:47.30 | hark | omg, now i remember you Enverex |
| 10:47.37 | liable | your it! |
| 10:47.51 | robin_sz | <robin_sz> no Quadro FX2500M ... next question |
| 10:47.59 | Enverex | robin_sz, That was AFTER |
| 10:48.11 | wols | 12:36 * robin_sz wonders what fun he will have with a nvidia FX2500 and drivers for linux |
| 10:48.13 | Enverex | * robin_sz wonders what fun he will have with a nvidia FX2500 and drivers for linux |
| 10:48.34 | jetscreamer | funny you only see it on the forums |
| 10:49.00 | robin_sz | see what? |
| 10:49.08 | ma3x | hark, but without oss I don't have /dev/dsp |
| 10:49.21 | jetscreamer | fx2500 and 1500 |
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| 10:49.36 | Enverex | Yeah, no official hits |
| 10:49.38 | robin_sz | I just ordered myself a nice Dell M90 laptop with a FX2500 ... |
| 10:49.41 | liable | ma3x: modprobe sdn-pcm-oss |
| 10:49.43 | wols | DGnome: until you have a proper error description you won' |
| 10:49.45 | liable | snd |
| 10:49.47 | wols | won't get it |
| 10:49.50 | Enverex | robin_sz, lspci when you get it please |
| 10:49.51 | robin_sz | http://www1.euro.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/precn_m90?c=uk&cs=ukbsdt1&l=en&s=bsd |
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| 10:49.56 | hark | ma3x: install alsa-oss, modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 10:50.12 | jetscreamer | you would think some gpu specs would come up with http://www.google.com/search?q=fx1500+site:nvidia.com&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&filter=0 |
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| 10:50.50 | DGnome | wols: /lastlog dgnome ? |
| 10:50.59 | ma3x | how can I hibernate - what package do I need to install? |
| 10:51.04 | wols | DGnome: I did. and no, this is no error description at all |
| 10:51.11 | Enverex | lol "Debian break XChat so you have to do it another way" |
| 10:51.14 | robin_sz | the FX2500 has more memory than the FX1500 (512mb v 256mb) but I think the GPUs are the same speed |
| 10:51.16 | wols | it's a "doesn't work" one |
| 10:51.20 | ma3x | and is there way to hibernate quickly? when I do it with klaptopdaemon, it takes about 3 minutes |
| 10:51.25 | liable | ma3x: do you ever try and google and work things out yourself? |
| 10:51.33 | wols | robin_sz: what gpus are they? what nvXX ones? |
| 10:51.43 | ma3x | liable, there are a lot of tools, I am asking for an opinion |
| 10:51.45 | wols | liable: why should he when there is #debian |
| 10:51.50 | robin_sz | wols, no way of telling until it turns up I guess |
| 10:52.05 | DGnome | wols: Well, I'm sorry but I cant locate the error, all I can supply for now is that message.. |
| 10:52.15 | jetscreamer | there we go http://www.google.com/search?q=FX+2500M+site%3Anvidia.com |
| 10:52.30 | wols | liable: I call a vendetta on you! |
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| 10:52.33 | Dave2 | robin_sz, current drivers support the FX5600 |
| 10:52.47 | ma3x | V for vendetta |
| 10:52.49 | Dave2 | so I don't see why they wouldn't support the FX2500, unless I know nothing |
| 10:52.51 | Dave2 | Which is quite likely |
| 10:52.53 | wols | DGnome: what do you DO to gte this error for starters... |
| 10:52.56 | liable | wols: dont blame me when you wake up next to a stalions head! |
| 10:52.57 | jetscreamer | read the readme |
| 10:53.14 | wols | liable: don't blame me if you wake up stone cold dead soon |
| 10:53.19 | DGnome | wols: point my browser to www.google.fi for example |
| 10:53.25 | jetscreamer | funny, there's a list of supported gpu's in each nvidia package |
| 10:53.36 | hark | and he runs sid! |
| 10:53.42 | wols | DGnome: what do you need bind for exaclty? caching only? |
| 10:53.56 | wols | hark: who does? |
| 10:53.57 | liable | wols: is that the new killoverip protocol i keep hearing about? |
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| 10:54.21 | DGnome | wols: transparent proxy, tunnel over ssh.. tunnel works just fine. |
| 10:54.21 | wols | liable: yes. and whoever invented it will surpass the riches of billg |
| 10:54.33 | hark | wols: ma3x.. at least he was going to, dunno :) |
| 10:54.37 | wols | DGnome: you need bind for tunneling? |
| 10:54.50 | robin_sz | Dave2, so that means they will work with the FX2500? |
| 10:55.02 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: read the readme |
| 10:55.14 | DGnome | wols: nope, but we have our own dns-service |
| 10:55.30 | wols | DGnome: you still haven't answered me: what do you need your bind for? |
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| 10:55.50 | wols | cause if it's caching only which is how it sounds it's overkill and useless |
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| 10:56.23 | jzxu | is direct rendering possible with fglrx? |
| 10:56.40 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-a.html |
| 10:56.49 | robin_sz | jetscreamer, the readme in? ./.. |
| 10:56.52 | robin_sz | ah that readme |
| 10:57.02 | jetscreamer | applies to the .deb's also |
| 10:57.09 | jetscreamer | change the version # |
| 10:57.27 | DGnome | wols: bind is there for several reasons, but I do not know if it is our own dns-service that says "no can do" or if it is a foreign one |
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| 10:58.04 | robin_sz | so the answer is "yes" then |
| 10:58.05 | DGnome | wols: bind is there for hosting purposes |
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| 10:58.50 | tuv | did anyone here try the current testing amd64-cd1 from the full cd set? it seems to be broken.. intstall base system fails with NO SCRIPT error while looking for 'lenny' |
| 10:59.16 | hark | tuv: yeah, did you check the bts or the installer errata page? |
| 11:00.00 | tuv | hark, no.. where is the installer errata? and which package should i look for in the bts? |
| 11:00.49 | hark | debootstrap, i think.. and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 11:00.52 | liable | everyone seems a little uptight tonight/today, must be sunday |
| 11:01.23 | hark | "[10 Apr 2007] Because we have stared making fairly big changes in the installer, there is an increased risk that daily builds may be broken or have errors. If you want an installer that works, we suggest you use the images for Etch instead." |
| 11:01.24 | DGnome | wols: local bind is first in order in resolv.conf |
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| 11:01.29 | liable | or maybe i am just a little uplose |
| 11:01.42 | hark | your uplose |
| 11:02.08 | liable | beer will do that ;) |
| 11:02.51 | themill | I had the digikam packages from experimental installed (they were compatible with etch) but now they are gone... does snapshot.debian.net or similar look at experimental? |
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| 11:02.59 | liable | isnt it funny how one o makes me sound like a dickhead.. |
| 11:03.28 | nyty | hi |
| 11:03.29 | nyty | please |
| 11:03.34 | nyty | if i use alsa, where is microphone in /dev |
| 11:03.41 | nyty | teamspeak shouldn`t work |
| 11:03.55 | wols | nyty: /dev/snd/ |
| 11:04.03 | nyty | thx |
| 11:04.11 | Enverex | Doesn't TS use OSS? |
| 11:04.16 | nyty | and where is it ? |
| 11:04.17 | wols | Enverex: probably |
| 11:04.25 | nyty | yes OSS but it dont work (microphone) |
| 11:04.25 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:04.49 | wintix | Enverex: yes. |
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| 11:06.02 | wintix | wasn't there some wrapper script to get oss applications to use alsa? |
| 11:06.16 | Enverex | aoss |
| 11:06.26 | wintix | nyty: maybe try that. |
| 11:06.53 | someothermarcus | hello, I've got some problems when trying to build the (non-free) nvidia kernel module. I installed a clean version of debian yesterday and upgraded it to unstable. My kernel version is 2.6.20-1-686, where do I start? |
| 11:07.12 | hark | someothermarcus: what error? |
| 11:07.25 | wintix | !tell someothermarcus about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:07.39 | tuv | themill, every package ever built should be in snapshot |
| 11:07.42 | wintix | someothermarcus: why did you upgrade to unstable? |
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| 11:08.02 | themill | tuv: that's what I thought... just couldn't find it there |
| 11:08.12 | nyty | where is microphone |
| 11:08.13 | nyty | please :| |
| 11:08.19 | tuv | themill, yeah.. snapshot is tricky to search |
| 11:08.22 | wols | someothermarcus: you start by building your own kernel |
| 11:08.49 | wols | so the paravirt_ops isn't there anymore |
| 11:08.51 | tuv | themill, TBH, i'm not particularly sure about experimental |
| 11:08.54 | hark | or use 2.6.18-4 :) |
| 11:09.06 | someothermarcus | hark, wols and the others: I'm trying to find to build log of module-assistant |
| 11:09.17 | hark | themill: it may have just gone into unstable .. do a backport |
| 11:09.36 | hark | someothermarcus: if it's a GPL related error, it's a known problem |
| 11:09.44 | someothermarcus | hark: yes, that's the one |
| 11:09.49 | themill | tuv: the package went into unstable and then was downgraded to prevent another pre-etch release library transition |
| 11:10.35 | themill | hark: digikam + plugins etc has dependencies hanging out everywhere... not a pretty sight |
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| 11:11.19 | nyty | i have alsa mixer, if i enable microphone i can hear what i say in sound, but how to capture it into the teamspeak ? |
| 11:11.35 | Mazingaro | please I need to configure a mail server: I got a db with also email infos then I've to extract mails from this db and send same message to them. The problem is that I've got a normal modem connection to do that |
| 11:11.36 | liable | whats the weird cnx.tmp dir i get now from compiling kernels? |
| 11:11.48 | someothermarcus | hark: any ideas on then it might be fixed? |
| 11:12.17 | wols | Mazingaro: that's dangerously close to a spamming question |
| 11:12.36 | xand | wols: spammers don't send their own mail;) |
| 11:12.37 | Mazingaro | wols: no it's an association |
| 11:12.46 | wols | someothermarcus: build a custom kernel and you can fix it today |
| 11:13.01 | wols | Mazingaro: use a mailinglist manager software |
| 11:13.02 | Mazingaro | wols: we got to deliver messages to our members |
| 11:13.05 | hark | someothermarcus: who knows? check the bts |
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| 11:13.11 | Mazingaro | wols: like postfix? |
| 11:13.18 | Enverex | Weird... I thought gcc-4.2 was in Sid... |
| 11:13.19 | wols | postfix is a MTA |
| 11:13.25 | someothermarcus | wols, hark: yeah :) |
| 11:13.30 | someothermarcus | ok, thanks everyone |
| 11:13.39 | wols | mailman is a mailing list manager for example |
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| 11:14.08 | hark | !info gcc sid |
| 11:14.13 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 11:14.25 | markit | hi, sorry for the OT, but I remember a gameknoppix that had a 3D game of a monkey that had to go around and collect items... anyone know the name of the game? |
| 11:14.26 | hark | Enverex: ^^ and /msg dpkg search |
| 11:14.36 | wintix | nyty: maybe try google? |
| 11:14.44 | nyty | thx |
| 11:14.58 | Mazingaro | wols: could mailman extract email info from my db? |
| 11:15.08 | wintix | nyty: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Sound |
| 11:15.24 | wintix | nyty: google isn't hard to use, you know. |
| 11:16.20 | hark | !be a google barbie |
| 11:16.20 | dpkg | Aww, google is HARD! Let's go shopping, hark |
| 11:16.27 | tuv | man.. etch torrents are way faster than http.. |
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| 11:16.46 | hark | tuv: use a netinst :) |
| 11:17.18 | tuv | hark, i need a cd1 as i have wireless internet only |
| 11:17.39 | hark | ah, which chipset? |
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| 11:17.52 | tuv | hark, so i need a working system to compile madwifi before i can updae |
| 11:17.55 | tuv | update* |
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| 11:18.58 | tuv | http converges to about 70kB, torrent satureates my 500kB connection |
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| 11:19.32 | maddash | hm, i've got about 30GB of files on my linux box that need to be copied over to an NTFS partition under windows. how can I achieve this, besides scp, which is slow enough to put me to sleep? |
| 11:20.06 | wintix | samba? |
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| 11:20.19 | xand | maddash: samba |
| 11:20.26 | hark | samba |
| 11:20.33 | xand | !samba |
| 11:20.34 | dpkg | i guess samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 11:20.34 | liable | ftp |
| 11:20.38 | tuv | you can setup nfs for windows, too |
| 11:20.42 | hark | !mv |
| 11:20.43 | dpkg | hmm... mv is move, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv, or mv |
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| 11:20.47 | wintix | liable: you are outnumbered ^^ |
| 11:20.54 | xand | ftp-- |
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| 11:21.08 | maddash | liable: :) kudos for creativity |
| 11:21.09 | liable | wintix: i have never been scared by mob rule |
| 11:21.14 | maddash | tuv: how does that work? |
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| 11:21.34 | markybob | liable: you're lucky. |
| 11:22.00 | hark | sfu or cygwin |
| 11:22.10 | tuv | maddash, using SFU: Windows services for Unix |
| 11:22.33 | hark | but you don't want to do that :) |
| 11:22.51 | liable | markybob: no, i am stubborn ;) |
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| 11:23.01 | tuv | i'd guess any form if nfs is much faster than samba |
| 11:23.10 | hark | liable: you gave up too easily |
| 11:23.12 | maddash | tuv: how? |
| 11:23.21 | tuv | maddash, how what? |
| 11:23.41 | liable | hark: no, i made my comment, i didnt feel the need to push it, and i could care less what he does :P |
| 11:23.44 | hark | ~wtf wtf |
| 11:23.47 | geirola | Can anyone please help me get my wireless to work on a fresh Debian 4.0 install?:) |
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| 11:24.14 | maddash | i'll go with samba. tuv,hark, liable et al. : thanks. |
| 11:24.16 | geirola | I think the drivers was loaded automatically...I have an integrated Intel wireless which uses the ipw2200 driver I think |
| 11:24.20 | tuv | geirola, what chip does it use? |
| 11:24.29 | hark | geirola: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 11:24.37 | geirola | hm |
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| 11:24.44 | hark | geirola: you need to get the firmware |
| 11:24.52 | geirola | ok..how would i do that? |
| 11:24.59 | wintix | by reading. |
| 11:25.07 | geirola | so it's two parts of getting wireless to work, i need the driver and the firmware |
| 11:25.10 | abrotman | and then downloading! :) |
| 11:25.11 | hark | !be a reading barbie |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, hark |
| 11:25.14 | geirola | hehe |
| 11:25.24 | geirola | i need the firmware for the proper driver version i guess |
| 11:25.25 | abrotman | geirola: yes .. there's a wrapper around firmware |
| 11:25.26 | tuv | geirola, ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php, extract to /lib/firmware/ |
| 11:25.43 | geirola | what command shows me which version of the driver i'm using? |
| 11:25.52 | wintix | geirola: you could look in dmesg |
| 11:25.55 | tuv | dmesg | grep ipw |
| 11:26.06 | geirola | ah sweet |
| 11:26.09 | hark | modinfo ipw2200 |grep version |
| 11:26.12 | geirola | that tells me the firmware is missing too |
| 11:26.25 | hark | yeah, the -2 error :) |
| 11:26.34 | enyc | I'm having trouble with etch "iptables" /etc/init.d/iptables start and save -- im getting weird errors like Saving iptables ruleset: save "" with counters/etc/init.d/iptables: line 66: /var/lib/iptables/: Is a directory |
| 11:26.46 | geirola | 1.1.2 kmq seems to be my driver version |
| 11:26.57 | christof | si there someone playing with LDAP server? |
| 11:27.05 | abrotman | enyc: i believe it takes an argument |
| 11:27.07 | enyc | I have --purge removed iptables -- checked there is no /var/lib/iptables and reinstalled iptables package... |
| 11:27.11 | enyc | abrotman: tried that too... |
| 11:27.11 | abrotman | christof: many people .. just ask |
| 11:27.30 | enyc | Saving iptables ruleset: save "active" with counters/etc/init.d/iptables: line 66: /var/lib/iptables/active: No such file or directory |
| 11:27.41 | abrotman | enyc: see how it says "save "" with blahblahblah" .. it's trying to save it with no name |
| 11:27.50 | christof | I would like to know if it s possible to send mail to every people in one ou? or I have to create a group? |
| 11:27.57 | abrotman | enyc: does /var/lib/iptables/ exist ? |
| 11:28.22 | enyc | abrotman: hrrm it does not.... even aafter reinstalling etch "iptables" package |
| 11:28.37 | abrotman | christof: one would guess you could search the entire ou for any mail value .. and then loop the mail to that list |
| 11:28.43 | enyc | abrotman: mkdir appears to have fixed it |
| 11:28.50 | abrotman | enyc: enjoy! |
| 11:28.59 | enyc | abrotman: but this seems silly to me -- it should be created by the package ? |
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| 11:29.26 | abrotman | enyc: did you read the /usr/share/doc/iptables/ ? i thought it said something about not using -save/-restore |
| 11:30.11 | enyc | abrotman: hrrm maybe this is different idea to sarge system ;-) |
| 11:30.26 | abrotman | enyc: i think so .. but double check |
| 11:31.11 | enyc | abrotman: hrrm that seems te be russell's docs on iptables... not debian save tools/whatever |
| 11:31.24 | abrotman | enyc: there's no README ? |
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| 11:33.07 | enyc | abrotman: net that I can see |
| 11:33.20 | enyc | abrotman: looked thourgh the html... no mention of scripts to save/restore that i can see |
| 11:33.28 | rasmuson | Hi all. How do I get a list of all installed debs sorted by install date? |
| 11:34.01 | abrotman | enyc: ah .. it's been removed .. it was in sarge |
| 11:34.27 | abrotman | enyc: you could file a bug if you wanted i suppose |
| 11:34.39 | xand | I just have an iptables in /etc/network/if-up.d/ c.c |
| 11:34.39 | abrotman | enyc: though i'd make sure you didn't screw something up first :) |
| 11:34.46 | enyc | abrotman: whys it been removed... wheres the changelog? |
| 11:34.57 | abrotman | changelog is in the doc dir |
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| 11:35.18 | markybob | abrotman: you might appreciate this. it's rough when you later find out that the girl you took home from the bar was with your brother the week before. i nearly puked. |
| 11:35.48 | abrotman | markybob: i would .. but .. i'm your brother ... |
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| 11:36.13 | xingu | probably rougher if you found out from him that she was post-op. |
| 11:36.14 | markybob | yeah. i'm more or less totally fucked :) |
| 11:36.26 | themill | tuv, hark: got digikam 0.9 back on etch with a combination of sid, lenny and snapshots. There's no way it *should* work except for the cleverness of aptitude :) (And it does work ;) |
| 11:36.30 | abrotman | markybob: i actually know two brothers that that happened to .. but it was about 6-8 hours apart ... same party |
| 11:36.32 | themill | tuv, hark: thanks for your help |
| 11:37.20 | markybob | abrotman: fucked up world we live in :) |
| 11:37.38 | abrotman | markybob: i did the same as you .. but it was about two years later .. and i was well aware :) |
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| 11:37.50 | rasmuson | Anyone knows how to get a list of installed packages sorted by install date? |
| 11:37.53 | geirola | guys..it seems I need some ieee80211 stuff to build the firmware |
| 11:38.01 | geirola | but lsmod shows me that it's already running |
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| 11:38.02 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 11:38.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 11:38.05 | Darmic | hello there |
| 11:38.17 | Darmic | tired somebody qemu to emulate freebsd or netbsd? |
| 11:38.24 | abrotman | on debian ? |
| 11:38.27 | Darmic | yep |
| 11:38.33 | abrotman | i think i tried obsd |
| 11:38.35 | tuv | geirola, you don't build the firmware.. it's binary |
| 11:38.38 | hark | themill: nice, but messy ;) |
| 11:38.42 | Darmic | and? |
| 11:38.48 | Darmic | how was it? fast enough? |
| 11:38.50 | xand | Darmic: that's all you asked |
| 11:38.50 | abrotman | Darmic: eh .. i think it worked |
| 11:38.52 | tuv | geirola, for recent kernels you don't need to build anything |
| 11:38.56 | hark | geirola: nope |
| 11:39.04 | abrotman | Darmic: it's usuable for learning with kqemu |
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| 11:39.12 | geirola | oh..i found it in tgz format |
| 11:39.16 | tuv | geirola, the driver is included in the kernel. all you need is to extract the firmware archive to /lib/firmware |
| 11:39.26 | abrotman | Darmic: it's about the same as a PII-300 with 128MB of RAM :) |
| 11:39.37 | hark | geirola: and remember *extract* it |
| 11:39.44 | abrotman | unless you actually allocate more RAM to it |
| 11:40.06 | hark | geirola: that means there should be those .fw files in /lib/firmware/ |
| 11:40.07 | geirola | i extracted the tgz file, and in it is a makefile and a lot of executables |
| 11:40.16 | abrotman | Darmic: so you're not actually having problems yet? |
| 11:40.22 | h3sp4wn | Darmic: with kqemu should be faster - there is a version of freebsd current that can run under xen also |
| 11:40.25 | geirola | there's no .fw-files in the pack i downloaded |
| 11:40.27 | Darmic | i did not try it yet |
| 11:40.29 | Darmic | i'll |
| 11:40.43 | Darmic | im using netbsd for it |
| 11:40.53 | Darmic | i do not know how to start |
| 11:41.08 | abrotman | #qemu might have some quickie howto |
| 11:41.13 | Darmic | maybe it is possible to install netbsd o a partition |
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| 11:41.17 | tuv | geirola, you download the firmware alone from ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php |
| 11:41.17 | abrotman | or i can grab a netbsd installer ? |
| 11:41.17 | themill | hark: very... but working makes me happy.... (quickly rebuilding laptop after old one was stolen and supposed to be travelling tomorrow and want to show family photos!) |
| 11:41.22 | hark | geirola: yes there are |
| 11:41.27 | tuv | geirola, it's a separate download |
| 11:41.28 | Darmic | and start it from debian |
| 11:42.07 | hark | geirola: ipw2200-bss.fw, ipw2200-sniffer.fw etc |
| 11:42.09 | geirola | yea ok...i might've done something dumb :) |
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| 11:42.53 | abrotman | Darmic: i'll need 10minutes to download the installer ISO |
| 11:42.58 | hark | geirola: s'ok.. it's sunday ;) |
| 11:43.11 | Darmic | from netbsd.org? |
| 11:43.29 | abrotman | Darmic: yeah |
| 11:43.30 | mikeX | Hello, I'm trying to apt-get source a specific version of a package, but it doesn't seem to work, I can see the package in the repository (gimp_2.3.15.orig.tar.gz), but `apt-get source gimp=2.3.15` gives me "E: Unable to find a source package for gimp" |
| 11:43.31 | Darmic | just 200 mb, not to much |
| 11:43.40 | abrotman | still takes 10 minutes |
| 11:43.46 | Darmic | its a pretty system, it would be nice if it will be work |
| 11:43.48 | Darmic | k |
| 11:44.01 | itchi | Heh, is the word 'LICENCE' correct? |
| 11:44.37 | mikeX | Is my apt-get syntax wrong? |
| 11:44.57 | itchi | I thought it was LICENSE heh. But in the exim4-doc file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/html/spec_html/ch01.html ... |
| 11:45.05 | geirola | ok..the firmware has been copied to /lib/firmware..just /etc/init.d/networking restart to make it work? |
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| 11:45.25 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: If you want gimp/experimental - use apt-get source gimp -t experimental (but that is 2.3.16 here) |
| 11:46.04 | Enverex | Does GIMP 2.3 still lack printing support? (properly anyway) |
| 11:46.06 | themill | mikeX: you can find out what versions are available to you with your current repo config by apt-cache policy gimp |
| 11:46.12 | mikeX | h3sp4wn: why should I explicitly enable that? using plain `apt-get source gimp` does get me 2.3.16 |
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| 11:46.22 | tuv | are there any cpu-z-like tools for linux/debian? |
| 11:46.23 | trpr | itchi: according to my dictionary, the spelling is a british variant |
| 11:46.39 | itchi | trpr: hhhmm |
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| 11:46.46 | ThomasPorter | Hey, you guys know when you login how it says 'Blah blah.. linux comes with no warrentee etc..' how can I add infomation to this? |
| 11:47.06 | hark | ThomasPorter: /etc/motd |
| 11:47.11 | markybob | pisses me off when i submit a 3k line patch and a week later i still havent an email. jerks |
| 11:47.20 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: for me here - apt-get source gimp pulls from unstable |
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| 11:47.20 | itchi | trpr: Which one use you? |
| 11:47.29 | dezent | im trying to figure out what device is /dev/hda1 on a sun ultra 10.. anyone have a clue ? |
| 11:47.42 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: -t experimental pulls from experimental (I prefer to use debian repositories for what I want if at all possible) |
| 11:47.47 | abrotman | markybob: if it's for KDE .. they have to patch your patch and begin all variables with 'k' |
| 11:48.03 | mikeX | h3sp4wn: well same error, I think my syntax is wrong |
| 11:48.09 | abrotman | dezent: it's not hda IIRC |
| 11:48.14 | abrotman | xand: wake up! |
| 11:48.28 | trpr | itchi: american heritage dictionary |
| 11:48.29 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: do you have deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free (in sources.list) |
| 11:48.33 | xand | what |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman | sun box? |
| 11:48.59 | xand | look in dmesg |
| 11:49.07 | dezent | abrotman: exactly, its something like /pci@3,0/f,0,0/blablah.. |
| 11:49.21 | abrotman | dezent: with a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 11:49.28 | itchi | I want a such 'babytrans' (GUI) like one. Just selecting some text, and translate it automagic |
| 11:49.33 | mikeX | themill: i don't think that covers source packages |
| 11:49.33 | markybob | abrotman: no :) it was for deluge...the "hew" bt client for gnome.there's so much wrong with it so i tried to help, reprogrammed some stufff,tweaded a bit, etc. and released it to them. i guess they dont even wanna acknowde it. that's what bothers me |
| 11:49.51 | abrotman | markybob: maybe they're busy ? |
| 11:49.52 | dezent | abrotman: its etch, but im not able to boot.. cant even get silo running |
| 11:49.54 | itchi | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/babytrans.jpg |
| 11:49.58 | dezent | abrotman: 2.6 kernel |
| 11:50.11 | abrotman | dezent: oh .. the install guide says nothing ? |
| 11:50.19 | mikeX | h3sp4wn: yes, as I said, if I run `apt-get source gimp` I do get latest source from experimental (2.3.16), however that fails to build |
| 11:50.25 | abrotman | Darmic: how did you create your qemu image ? |
| 11:50.35 | dezent | abrotman: nothing, |
| 11:50.36 | mikeX | (configure script looks for gtk-2.10x but I have 2.8x) |
| 11:50.38 | itchi | A dict like one, with babytrans feature :-p The only thing i like of babytrans is that he automatic translate selected stuff |
| 11:50.42 | themill | mikeX: if the binary package doesn't exist for that version within apt's little brain, then the source package won't either, will it? |
| 11:50.42 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 11:50.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
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| 11:50.48 | Darmic | abrotman? |
| 11:50.54 | Darmic | let us use pc |
| 11:51.00 | dezent | abrotman: all howtos expect you to allready know opb-firmware |
| 11:51.13 | mikeX | themill: hmm, good point, thanks |
| 11:51.17 | abrotman | dezent: did you tell them it sucks and it's hard to decipher? :) |
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| 11:51.42 | mikeX | I only put a deb-src line for experimental |
| 11:51.45 | dezent | abrotman: i think i will write a nice howto when i get an hold of things |
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| 11:52.06 | Darmic | qemu-img create -f qcow netbsd.img 6GB |
| 11:52.17 | themill | on a fresh install of etch, I've now got a weird collation. Upper/lower case are mixed and punctuation chars ignored. Anyone know what I broke? |
| 11:52.22 | abrotman | 6GB!!!!!!!!?????????? |
| 11:52.23 | Darmic | and then i started the image, so far it works |
| 11:52.27 | Darmic | yes |
| 11:52.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell me about ep |
| 11:52.34 | Darmic | netbsd is jut for testing |
| 11:52.37 | Darmic | normaly is 2 gb! |
| 11:52.42 | abrotman | i used 2GB now :) |
| 11:52.58 | mikeX | bah still nothing, I'll just wget the archive, thanks themill h3sp4wn |
| 11:53.17 | abrotman | Darmic: i got the installer to boot .. but it stops after a bit |
| 11:53.26 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: fwiw - apt-get source gimp=2.3.16-1 (would work) |
| 11:53.37 | h3sp4wn | mikeX: get the version number from apt-cache policy gimp |
| 11:53.46 | abrotman | dezent: there is a sparc channel |
| 11:54.01 | Darmic | hm |
| 11:54.19 | Darmic | just dl the nbsd iamage |
| 11:54.22 | Darmic | then type |
| 11:54.36 | Darmic | qemu -cdrom yourimage.iso -boot d netbsd.img |
| 11:54.38 | abrotman | Darmic: and given i didn't read the install manual .. i'm not really surprised |
| 11:54.40 | Darmic | the installer will appear |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | Darmic: you forgot -hda ? |
| 11:54.51 | Darmic | now |
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| 11:54.54 | Darmic | no |
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| 11:55.05 | Darmic | i did not use dd for it |
| 11:55.12 | Darmic | either qemu- |
| 11:55.21 | Darmic | http://venthur.de/Linux/QemuHOWTO |
| 11:55.30 | abrotman | mine is 'qemu -hda netbsd.img -boot d -cdrom i386-3.1.iso |
| 11:55.36 | Darmic | its in german, but u've just type the commands, replace some things |
| 11:56.14 | Xires | I'm having multiple problems with apache2../var/run/apache2.pid is not created using any MPM(tested prefork, itk & worker)..it also consumes as much of the CPU as possible..there is no root-owned process..it seems to be failing somewhere, but I cannot figure out where nor why |
| 11:56.18 | Xires | can anyone assist? |
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| 11:56.36 | abrotman | Darmic: and that command for me boots the installer (though it later barfs) |
| 11:57.06 | liable | why the hell cant the kernels devs work out one fucking way to get the latest source |
| 11:57.12 | Darmic | first |
| 11:57.20 | Darmic | qemu-img create -f qcow netbsd.img 2GB |
| 11:57.30 | Darmic | create your harddisk exactyl with this command |
| 11:58.04 | abrotman | yep |
| 11:58.12 | Darmic | then do this |
| 11:58.24 | Darmic | qemu -cdrom netbsd.iso -boot d netbsd.img |
| 11:58.29 | abrotman | Darmic: what part isn't working for you ? |
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| 11:59.12 | abrotman | yes .. you can leave off the -hda like you're doing .. i just use it .. either way should work |
| 11:59.16 | Darmic | nothing, everythings worked |
| 11:59.23 | Darmic | i386cd-3.0.iso |
| 11:59.28 | Darmic | this the name of my imag |
| 11:59.29 | Darmic | e |
| 11:59.36 | Darmic | so its works, netbsd is installing |
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| 11:59.53 | abrotman | mine stops at some "/dev/console" error |
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| 12:00.05 | Darmic | hm |
| 12:00.06 | abrotman | but as long as it works for you :) |
| 12:00.10 | Darmic | :-) |
| 12:00.10 | imagine | hi |
| 12:00.14 | Darmic | its funny to use it |
| 12:00.27 | Darmic | its fast and so it is easy to use a bsd for testing |
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| 12:00.57 | imagine | i've got a question about user account passwords in etch: in /etc/pam.d/common-password it says -> |
| 12:01.00 | imagine | # ... the "min" and "max" options enforce the length of the new password. |
| 12:01.00 | imagine | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 12:01.17 | Sebboh | Is eclipse-gcj produced for better performance, or for licensing issues? I use Sun Java 5. Do I want to use eclipse-gcj, or eclipse? |
| 12:01.19 | imagine | however the "max" parameter doesnt seem to have any effect |
| 12:01.47 | imagine | passwords can be longer than 8 characters and are also not truncated |
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| 12:02.08 | Sebboh | imagine, it's not truncated? I was about to suggest that it probably was.. |
| 12:02.24 | xand | imagine: why would you want a maximum length? |
| 12:02.30 | Sebboh | so that a user with password 123456789 could log in by entering 123456780 ... |
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| 12:02.55 | xand | that doesn't apply to md5 does it? |
| 12:03.01 | Xires | imagine; the crypt() is probably using only the max #..the md5 hash will be different even if you enter identical passwords |
| 12:03.15 | imagine | xand: i dont, but i want to know why the parameter is ignored despite the documentation suggests somethign different |
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| 12:03.26 | Xires | http://xires.zirhost.com/code/ncrypt.c - there is a sample implementation |
| 12:03.32 | imagine | lemme see |
| 12:04.01 | Sebboh | or by entering 12345678 perhaps. |
| 12:04.27 | Xires | imagine; look up the crypt() library function |
| 12:05.22 | Xires | could someone help me with my Apache issue? |
| 12:05.45 | Xires | I'm having multiple problems with apache2../var/run/apache2.pid is not created using any MPM(tested prefork, itk & worker)..it also consumes as much of the CPU as possible..there is no root-owned process..it seems to be failing somewhere, but I cannot figure out where nor why |
| 12:05.52 | imagine | hmm ok, so that parameter can be ignored i guess |
| 12:06.05 | imagine | Sebboh: yes i tried that too :) but it didnt work |
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| 12:07.06 | h3sp4wn | Is there any debian recommended scripts to convert from mbox to maildir ? |
| 12:08.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: can i choose my resolution yet? |
| 12:08.29 | abrotman | !find mb2md etch |
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| 12:08.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mb2md' (1): (/usr/bin/mb2md) in net/mb2md. |
| 12:08.54 | abrotman | !info mb2md etch |
| 12:09.05 | dpkg | mb2md: (Converting Mbox mailboxes to Maildir format), section net, is optional. Version: 3.20-2 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 12:09.06 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: will that do ? |
| 12:09.07 | Darmic | yippi |
| 12:09.11 | Darmic | everything works |
| 12:09.13 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: perfect thanks |
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| 12:09.30 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: (presuming you know it works) |
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| 12:09.54 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: i've not used it .. an admin friend of mine used it a couple of weeks ago and reported no issues to me |
| 12:10.17 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: we went from pop3 to cyrus in my office |
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| 12:12.10 | hark | yuck to yuck |
| 12:12.26 | abrotman | hark: ? |
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| 12:12.41 | abrotman | hark: cyrus allows my users to create shared maildir directories so they don't bother me to make them |
| 12:12.43 | hark | oh what? nothing ;) |
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| 12:12.54 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 12:12.58 | abrotman | hark: and pop3 .. that's bad .. considering everyone was using whatever email client they pleased |
| 12:13.16 | perlmonkey | does anyone know where apxs resides normally, is it /usr/sbin? |
| 12:13.23 | abrotman | hark: one of my bosses was still on N6.2 :) |
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| 12:13.46 | abrotman | hark: and this was two months ago ... |
| 12:13.46 | hark | perlmonkey: /usr/bin/ |
| 12:13.52 | perlmonkey | hark: thanks |
| 12:14.00 | abrotman | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:14.06 | hark | heh, yeah the great mail migration :) |
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| 12:14.35 | hark | abrotman: and you managed to convert him? nice |
| 12:14.58 | abrotman | hark: the crappiest part is tha tbecause that boss isn't in the office that much .. i got to move 8*GB* of email from pop3/mbox to IMAP |
| 12:14.59 | perlmonkey | hi abrotman |
| 12:15.03 | abrotman | perlmonkey: hi |
| 12:15.12 | zophy | is there any reason to use sendmail in preference to exim ? |
| 12:15.26 | abrotman | zophy: only if you know how to use sendmail very well |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | zophy: or possibly high volume mail server |
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| 12:16.26 | zophy | i like exim |
| 12:16.27 | jetscreamer | omg you have a job abrotman ... i didn't know |
| 12:16.36 | abrotman | jetscreamer: shut it! |
| 12:16.40 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 12:17.06 | Sebboh | Is eclipse-gcj produced for better performance, or for licensing issues? I use Sun Java 5. Do I want to use eclipse-gcj, or eclipse? |
| 12:17.07 | Xires | alright..so I figured out the problem..php-clamav & libclamav were installed but nothing else clamav related..for some reason this caused a major error with Apache 2.2..even causing the root-owned process to die without killing off the children |
| 12:17.30 | abrotman | Sebboh: it'd be better for your RMS-Soul |
| 12:17.59 | hark | Sebboh: eclipse is a hog, either way |
| 12:18.30 | Sebboh | abrotman: is it faster? Does eclipse-gcj consist of native-binaries? |
| 12:18.32 | imagine | u just have to feed it enough memory |
| 12:18.46 | abrotman | yeah .. 2GB :) |
| 12:19.04 | abrotman | Sebboh: i doubt it's faster .. |
| 12:19.41 | Eclipser | Eclipse-gcj obviously uses the "free" gnu java compiler... |
| 12:20.10 | themill | hasn't gcj changed over to use the eclipse compiler instead? |
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| 12:20.14 | hark | ah we have an expert on it here ;) |
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| 12:20.24 | Eclipser | I don't use Eclipse |
| 12:20.27 | Eclipser | don't get me wrong |
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| 12:20.52 | Sebboh | Obviously? And, I didn't realize that gcj was the "free" java, I thought that it was a compiler that produced native machine code.. Which should be fast. =P |
| 12:21.16 | Random | hello ... is there a way to run module-assistent for a kernel that is currently installed but not running? |
| 12:21.22 | Sebboh | Btw #eclipse said that I'd have to ask the Debian people. ;) |
| 12:21.41 | Sebboh | What is a module assistant, Random? |
| 12:21.43 | themill | Sebboh: there are a few different ecj packages available that do use native javac rather than java-javac |
| 12:21.48 | fsteves | !m-a |
| 12:21.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 12:22.10 | themill | Sebboh: but that was as far as I got before I got sufficiently confused and went back to sun-java6 |
| 12:22.24 | themill | Sebboh: java's not my game.... I was just trying to do some packaging |
| 12:23.20 | Random | module-assitent is a tool used to build modules for custom kernels |
| 12:23.32 | Random | i just built 2.6.18 ... |
| 12:23.37 | hark | Sebboh: but, yeah there might be an advantage with it being natively compiled |
| 12:23.43 | Random | so now i need ndiswrapper for my wireless card |
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| 12:24.10 | Random | i think module assitent only buldsagainst the current kernel though (i.e for me 2.6.15) |
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| 12:25.42 | Enverex | Erm, why are the .18 kernel headers missing from the Sid amd64 repos? |
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| 12:26.33 | Sebboh | Enverex: 686 repos, too. I noticed that, but I chose to ignore it. ;) I'm glad that you brought it up. |
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| 12:26.53 | Enverex | Well it means I can't install my graphics drivers due to no kernel source :/ |
| 12:26.55 | Sebboh | erm, by 686, I mean.. whatever I'm running. k7. shrug |
| 12:27.03 | hark | get it from sdn, if that's the case |
| 12:27.09 | Sebboh | Enverex: me too! I went to the store and bought a new gfx card. |
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| 12:27.28 | Sebboh | Seriously. =( (Of course, I wanted to do that anyway.. just needed an excuse) |
| 12:27.44 | hark | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:28.55 | hark | <dpkg> Package 'linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686' does not exist. |
| 12:29.12 | Sebboh | yeah. It used to. I had it installed earlier. |
| 12:29.33 | liable | get it from sdo |
| 12:29.41 | abrotman | hark: not in sid |
| 12:29.48 | abrotman | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 etch |
| 12:29.53 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686: (Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 268 kB, Installed size: 4772 kB |
| 12:30.09 | Sebboh | The question stands, why did it disappear in sid? Just out of curiosity.. |
| 12:30.16 | hark | etch would definitely have it |
| 12:30.20 | jetscreamer | yes they took 2.6.18 out of sid |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | Sebboh: sid is a moving target ... |
| 12:30.34 | dvs | hence the name |
| 12:30.45 | hark | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:30.48 | liable | sid cant have a never ending supply of headers for every kernel |
| 12:30.49 | Sebboh | 2.6.18 is still the kernel that my sid is using... ;P |
| 12:30.51 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | gimme a "U" |
| 12:31.00 | dvs | u! |
| 12:31.03 | abrotman | Sebboh: you're out of date :P) |
| 12:31.15 | abrotman | the metapackage hasn't been updated yet in sid |
| 12:31.21 | hark | Sebboh: just the metapackage which wasn't updated |
| 12:31.48 | Enverex | I keep being told that the .20 is currently very broken... |
| 12:32.03 | hark | Sebboh: and haha if you have an nvidia card ;p |
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| 12:32.20 | Sebboh | yawn I wish I had an nvidia card. |
| 12:32.26 | abrotman | you do ? |
| 12:32.29 | liable | Enverex: so try it yourself |
| 12:32.38 | Enverex | hark, What's wrong with nVidia cards? |
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| 12:33.35 | Sebboh | Speaking of video cards... When I run glx-gears, it works. When I run Second Life, the screen is all black. Nothing is drawn. How do I diagnose this problem? I have an ATI Radeon 7000. And uh, I dunno if I installed the right drivers/x-servers/whatever to support that or not. |
| 12:33.47 | hark | nothing, other than the fact you can't install them with the stock kernel in sid |
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| 12:34.05 | Enverex | hark, Well it worked before they removed the kernel source" |
| 12:34.07 | Enverex | *! |
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| 12:34.34 | hark | Enverex: 2.6.20, not 2.6.18 |
| 12:34.35 | coach | hi@all |
| 12:34.47 | hark | Enverex: you can still get the headers.. /msg dpkg sdn |
| 12:34.50 | coach | can i run the i386 version on an amd64? |
| 12:34.58 | hark | yes |
| 12:35.02 | Enverex | hark, The default Sid kernel isn't .20 though, it's .18 until they update the metapackages |
| 12:35.04 | coach | without any problems? |
| 12:35.07 | jetscreamer | !archive |
| 12:35.07 | dpkg | well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 12:35.37 | Random | so ... does any one know of an example of how to use module-assistant to build and install a kernel module for a kernel not currently running ... i need to do this or will lose internet access on a wirelessly connected desktop with a custom kernel ... |
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| 12:36.33 | hark | Random: install the source with your current kernel, then boot to the one you're compiling against and run m-a then |
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| 12:36.55 | Random | cool |
| 12:37.00 | Random | thanks i'll try |
| 12:37.19 | hark | man m-a might give some options maybe |
| 12:37.39 | ThomasPorter | As root, is there a way that I can see what is on my users terminals? |
| 12:37.45 | hark | Random: make sure you have the source/headers for that kernel before |
| 12:37.55 | Random | ok |
| 12:37.58 | Random | i'll install them |
| 12:38.04 | Random | i forgot they did that for gcc |
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| 12:38.26 | Random | if i install the module will it hurt my stable kernel using the same module? |
| 12:38.37 | dimir | Moin! |
| 12:38.57 | itchi | Yeah! My mail server work agian! waazzaaa :-p |
| 12:39.19 | hark | itchi: followed the workaround.org guide? |
| 12:39.36 | itchi | hark: No, my self :-s I need to understand a bit heh ;-) |
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| 12:40.10 | itchi | hark: Cause that site use postfix, and i use exim |
| 12:40.20 | itchi | hark: But, no worry, i gona switch soon |
| 12:40.41 | hark | nah exim is fine too |
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| 12:41.09 | itchi | hark: 'The' others use a database to store the stuff? |
| 12:41.44 | hark | when you have a lot of users/domains |
| 12:41.51 | itchi | hark: 2 :-) |
| 12:41.59 | hark | heh |
| 12:42.00 | itchi | hark: It's here at home :-) |
| 12:42.32 | itchi | hark: But anyway, i need to look to that other way too |
| 12:42.39 | kerouac | http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1yearoldbudno3.jpg |
| 12:42.45 | kerouac | that was the wrong window |
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| 12:42.54 | kelaouchi | hello #debian |
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| 12:43.12 | kelaouchi | wich way can i boot my linux kernel from debian cd ? |
| 12:43.23 | itchi | kerouac: Ah ok, your clean! |
| 12:43.34 | kerouac | :P |
| 12:43.56 | itchi | kerouac: Heh, why is your face not on the pic?? |
| 12:44.02 | kerouac | it is, kinda |
| 12:44.10 | itchi | kerouac: You need to assum at 100% ! |
| 12:44.16 | kerouac | hahah |
| 12:44.34 | kelaouchi | any idea ? |
| 12:45.06 | hark | boot your kernel? |
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| 12:45.13 | kelaouchi | yes hark |
| 12:45.23 | itchi | kerouac: You want to run your installed system with a kernel of a cd? |
| 12:45.27 | kelaouchi | the kernel i have installed on my hard disk |
| 12:45.35 | kelaouchi | not the one wich is on the CD |
| 12:45.55 | kerouac | itchi: every time i buy a bag, i save teh best buds for last, so that when i'm down to my last, i know I will have the best waiting for me. |
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| 12:46.10 | kerouac | this was from last april |
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| 12:46.39 | kelaouchi | hark ? |
| 12:46.49 | kerouac | who goes there |
| 12:47.08 | itchi | kerouac: Anyway, do you realise how much people not yet have food nor water at all? Want you to feel better? Donate to those who NEED it ;-) And there i stop on it |
| 12:47.12 | hark | kelaouchi: i don't get it |
| 12:47.25 | hark | kelaouchi: rather, i don't know :) |
| 12:47.26 | kelaouchi | i know it is possible |
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| 12:48.07 | hark | ok, why? |
| 12:48.35 | kelaouchi | i did it once with gentoo livecd but i don't remember |
| 12:48.46 | kelaouchi | wich way |
| 12:48.51 | kelaouchi | :/ |
| 12:49.07 | jetscreamer | you have pot from april of last year? |
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| 12:50.17 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: worked fine (other than I had to remember how to setup procmail) all good now - thanks |
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| 12:53.56 | dave_is_sexy | what's the fstab device syntax for a logical volume, in an exteneded partioion (/dev/sda4/lvol1?) |
| 12:55.58 | Enverex | I thought ffmpeg is supposed to be able to play WMP9 files now? |
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| 12:58.09 | xand | dave_is_sexy: they have a number like sda5 or something |
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| 13:02.10 | mikeX | is it possible to only build a specific package from a debianized source containing multiple packages? |
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| 13:04.17 | ThomasPorter | you know your command history? when you press the up arrow? |
| 13:04.21 | ThomasPorter | Is there someway to clear that.. |
| 13:04.28 | ThomasPorter | It'd be a hackers playground |
| 13:04.49 | themill | ThomasPorter: why? |
| 13:05.11 | ThomasPorter | themill: Well, my MySQL password gets typed in there raw for a start |
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| 13:05.23 | ThomasPorter | Not to mention resently accessed files.. |
| 13:05.27 | mikeX | ThomasPorter: use -p and put the password in the mysql prompt |
| 13:05.43 | mikeX | the file is dependant on your shell, probably bash |
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| 13:05.59 | ThomasPorter | Yep bash |
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| 13:06.07 | mikeX | which probably uses ~/.bash_history |
| 13:06.15 | mikeX | you can disable (don't know how) |
| 13:06.32 | dutchfish | how can i set screen resolution (on client) using Xephyr -ac -query [host] :1 for example? |
| 13:06.44 | cahoot | $HISTFILESIZE? |
| 13:06.47 | ThomasPorter | Ah located here, I can clear it. |
| 13:06.53 | ThomasPorter | root/.bash_history |
| 13:07.02 | mikeX | double ouch |
| 13:07.07 | trpr | if you do an ..unset HISTFILE.. as your first action, no history will be kept |
| 13:07.44 | ThomasPorter | Thanks |
| 13:07.44 | azeem | ThomasPorter: ~/.bash_history is usually only readable be the owner |
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| 13:08.26 | dutchfish | sorry, found it ... -screen 1280x1024 |
| 13:08.43 | dave_is_sexy | xand: hi. yeah for some reason all my hds are mounted as sda instead of hda. |
| 13:08.48 | ThomasPorter | azeem: More then one person uses root on my system.. That just got me thinking.. how could I give people root access? |
| 13:09.09 | azeem | ThomasPorter: use sudo |
| 13:09.36 | ThomasPorter | azeem: Ah of course forgot about sudo |
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| 13:12.04 | Amarande | grumble. did renaming Firefox to Iceweasel break Java? :| |
| 13:12.08 | dave_is_sexy | xand: ah i see. you have to skip a number for the extended partition. they should put that in help |
| 13:12.20 | Amarande | I don't remember on previous versions of Debian, not being able to use Java in Firefox |
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| 13:12.38 | Amarande | but I've installed Sun Java like I always do, and Java applets in Iceweasel just go "CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD PLUGIN" as if I didn't have java at all |
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| 13:13.05 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: using the packages in non-free ? |
| 13:13.07 | Amarande | is the Sun Java incompatible now because the browser isn't named right? |
| 13:13.08 | Amarande | Yeah. |
| 13:13.29 | h3sp4wn | Should work - (other than amd64 where no plugin exists) |
| 13:13.54 | Amarande | well, I have it installed, I'm running on 32-bit, and Iceweasel insists I need to download a plugin |
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| 13:14.03 | Amarande | which basically would mean, I'd have to install a second copy of Java |
| 13:14.07 | h3sp4wn | no |
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| 13:14.16 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: heh .. be a procmail barbie@! |
| 13:14.28 | Amarande | and like I said, I never had this problem before |
| 13:14.40 | Amarande | so the only thing I can see is the aggressive debian policy rename of firefox breaking it |
| 13:14.51 | Amarande | java is probably looking for "Firefox" and not some other name when installing |
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| 13:15.03 | abrotman | Amarande: about:plugins .. is it listed ? |
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| 13:15.27 | abrotman | Amarande: is there a plugin in the iceweasel plugins dir ?> |
| 13:15.29 | jazbo2185 | Has something happened to the oldstable repositories since last night? Last night I was able to successfully install oldstable. This morning when I try, I get an error that "no kernel modules can be found". |
| 13:15.57 | Amarande | I don't see it. |
| 13:16.06 | Amarande | Is there a separate iceweasel-plugin package you have to install? |
| 13:17.08 | mikeX | is it possible to only build a specific package from a debianized source containing multiple packages? |
| 13:17.11 | abrotman | Amarande: is there a java plugin in the mozilla/plugins folder ? |
| 13:17.50 | RA3OR | http://www.annodex.net/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+adduser |
| 13:18.11 | RA3OR | i need to add a user with root privileges |
| 13:18.20 | abrotman | man sudo |
| 13:18.25 | Amarande | I see a gxine plugin, a Totem plugin ... nothing java, though |
| 13:18.26 | RA3OR | with shell access |
| 13:18.34 | abrotman | Amarande: did you install any java plugin ? |
| 13:18.51 | Amarande | abrotman, I assumed that would install when I installed the sun java package |
| 13:18.53 | abrotman | such as sun-java5-plugin ? |
| 13:18.54 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:19.28 | Amarande | lemme guess |
| 13:19.31 | abrotman | i don't think the jre or the jdk automatically installs the plugin |
| 13:19.36 | Amarande | that was branched out into a separate package since the last time I used debian :P |
| 13:19.52 | abrotman | Amarande: the last time you used debian ... there probably wasn't java in non-free :) |
| 13:19.54 | jazbo2185 | If I want to install sarge from floppies, exactly which version of the floppy images should I use? There seem to be several listed at for example: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/installer-i386/ |
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| 13:20.50 | bwlang | jazbo2185: that's not a fun operation... if you can do anything else - do ... (like move the hard disk to another computer if you have to) |
| 13:21.10 | jazbo2185 | bwlang: not an option. 1.8" drive |
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| 13:21.18 | coach | hi@all |
| 13:21.21 | coach | me again;-) |
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| 13:21.33 | coach | i've got a problem with my xserver (stable) |
| 13:21.46 | jazbo2185 | Last time I tried installing this way sarge gave the "no kernel modules found" error but oldstable worked fine... |
| 13:22.05 | bwlang | jazbo2185: you can get an adapter for very little money (like $2US) |
| 13:22.09 | abrotman | jazbo2185: is your NIC standard ? |
| 13:22.25 | coach | less /var/log/Xorg... sais 'fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'' |
| 13:22.31 | abrotman | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/oldstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 13:22.46 | Amarande | coach, have you installed the x fonts packages? |
| 13:22.55 | abrotman | jazbo2185: you'll need root/boot/ and one drivers floppy .. i'm guessing you'll need the net one ? |
| 13:23.00 | coach | Amarande: which one? |
| 13:23.03 | hark | coach: install xorg |
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| 13:23.35 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: yes. I've considered the pxe boot thing but I don't have a router that I can reprogram. And yes that was the repo I tried; it doesnt work.... |
| 13:23.49 | coach | hark: hm...i used xserver-xorg instead |
| 13:23.50 | coach | ^^ |
| 13:24.01 | coach | i assumed i was the same |
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| 13:24.19 | hark | coach: yeah, that doesn't pull everything in.. or install xfonts-base separately |
| 13:24.31 | coach | hark: thx |
| 13:24.36 | Amarande | yeah, the X server can't run by itself without data :) |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | jazbo2185: you shouldn't need PXE .. what kind of NIC is in it ? |
| 13:24.50 | coach | hark: it works, thx |
| 13:24.52 | coach | cya@all |
| 13:25.19 | basantashrestha | i installed xmms from etch but doesn't play mp3 |
| 13:25.27 | abrotman | does it play anything ? |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | did you choose the correct output driver? |
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| 13:27.14 | basantashrestha | abrotman, yes totem is playing it |
| 13:27.16 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: standard type on a not too old notebook computer. I can be more specific if necessary... |
| 13:27.44 | abrotman | basantashrestha: i meant does xmms play anything at all |
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| 13:28.06 | abrotman | jazbo2185: is the NIC a pretty standard NIC or something that might require firmware ? |
| 13:28.22 | mikeX | I accidentaly used the -B instead of -b with dpkg-buildpacage, is there a way to build only the arch-independant packages that were skipped? |
| 13:28.30 | abrotman | basantashrestha: xmms has multiple output drivers .. choose alsa .. \try aagain |
| 13:28.56 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: If it worked fine with sarge "out of the box" does that mean it's pretty standard? |
| 13:29.08 | abrotman | it should :) |
| 13:29.15 | abrotman | unless maybe it's a tulip |
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| 13:29.48 | jazbo2185 | So in the case that it's standard...? |
| 13:30.24 | abrotman | jazbo2185: did you check dmesg to see if it said anything about the nic ? |
| 13:30.43 | basantashrestha | abrotman, it is alsa already |
| 13:30.58 | abrotman | basantashrestha: do you get an error or just silence ? |
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| 13:32.49 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: I `dmesg | grep NIC` and `dmesg | grep eth0` and don't see anything that looks bad |
| 13:32.57 | abrotman | or looks good ? |
| 13:33.04 | freetos | has anybody have usb working inside a xp vm of virtualbox? |
| 13:33.17 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: it's up, the NIC is working |
| 13:33.35 | abrotman | jazbo2185: but it can't find the intarweb ? |
| 13:34.34 | Sebboh | Freetos, what virtualization software are you using that supports USB? Never heard of it... |
| 13:34.51 | solemnwarning | Where does apt store the checksums of config files? |
| 13:34.54 | itchi | freetos: With vmware |
| 13:35.08 | abrotman | Sebboh: i think even qemu does |
| 13:35.27 | freetos | virtualbox.org which uses qemu |
| 13:35.33 | Sebboh | Huh. Ok. Erm, MS Virtual Server 2005 does not. ;) |
| 13:35.55 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: it seems to be able to (it's never had problems connecting before. last time I tried the same exact method with the same exact computer I had no problems) but I don't have ping yet at this point in the install... |
| 13:35.58 | itchi | freetos: qemu not yet support USB i thought |
| 13:36.21 | abrotman | itchi: it tells me to specify devices |
| 13:36.38 | asg | itchi: the manpage seems to indicate it does |
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| 13:36.44 | Sebboh | qemu must support usb, come to think of it: they use qemu for OLPC development. |
| 13:36.52 | phorce1 | OK, I'm obviously not being clear to Google what I'm looking for. What should I use to measure actual bandwidth used by one of the computers on my network? Preferably from another Debian box on the same network and with data storage/graphing so I can see what it uses over a one week period. |
| 13:37.13 | Sebboh | phorce1: "throughput" |
| 13:37.18 | itchi | Qemu: version 0.8.0: - Initial USB support |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | jazbo2185: so it's working or not ? |
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| 13:37.42 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: working |
| 13:37.48 | abrotman | yay for magic! |
| 13:37.55 | Sebboh | magic++ |
| 13:37.59 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 13:38.14 | Sebboh | +1, even. Jeeze, it's early. |
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| 13:38.19 | astinus | Afternoon folks. I have five storage controllers in a box running Debian 4.0 and need to better define what order modules are loaded in, or my rootfs jumps between sda, sdj, sdm, sde or sdc! Any tips? |
| 13:38.21 | phorce1 | Sebboh: when I use the word throughput as part of the google search it points me to ways to measure the speed that data travels between machines on the network, not how hard one machine is hitting my T1 |
| 13:38.26 | solemnwarning | Where does apt store the checksums of config files? |
| 13:38.50 | Sebboh | phorce1: volume? |
| 13:38.56 | fenriz | i got a harmony remote working in virtualbox via usb try google "usb site:virtualbox.org" |
| 13:39.27 | asg | phorce1: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+do+I+graph+network+usage+by+clients+on+my+network&btnG=Search |
| 13:41.08 | phorce1 | asg: duhh! thanks. MRTG appears to be the tool of choice in that search. |
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| 13:41.37 | cafuego | phorce1: Hmm, 'cacti'. |
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| 13:43.20 | Sebboh | I can hear a noise when my CPU is active.. It's loud enough to be heard from across the room. Is this common? Yes, solid state components are making the noise. I'm not 100% sure which ones... |
| 13:43.21 | turffy | !libx11-dev |
| 13:44.39 | jazbo2185 | So how can I figure out which of TFTP, BOOTP or DHCP I need to set up to network boot |
| 13:44.42 | phorce1 | cafuego: ohhh, neat. Something "easier" than MRTG |
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| 13:46.13 | CHodapp | Sebboh: I would say that's uncommon. |
| 13:46.23 | Sebboh | jazbo2185: I've always used DHCP. For good reason. The average person uses DHCP. So does the average institution, or the average ISP. |
| 13:46.41 | CHodapp | don't you need a combination of all 3 for network boot? |
| 13:47.03 | CHodapp | particularly, bootp is considered a version of dhcp, and tftp is needed for the initial boot image? |
| 13:47.21 | Sebboh | CHodapp, jazbo2185, ignore my statement, please, I misread the question. |
| 13:47.23 | hark | the average person uses windows ;) |
| 13:47.36 | CHodapp | the average person does not have a computer... |
| 13:47.56 | jazbo2185 | Sebboh: but doesn't that require that I'm able to do some fancy reconfiguration of DHCP? I just have a simple netgear router running the firmware it shipped with. |
| 13:47.58 | Sebboh | =) I didn't see the word "boot" in that question.. I just saw "set up network".. |
| 13:48.10 | jazbo2185 | Sebboh: ah |
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| 13:51.22 | phorce1 | Sebboh: Re: sound from computer -- What you hear from your system depends on you too. I am sensitive to high pitched sounds. Had a random high pitched tone start up here in the office a few weeks ago that was driving me nuts. Turned out that a co-worker had a microphone a bit too close to a set of speakers. Not enough to cause serious feed back but I could hear it LOUD and he couldn't hear it at all. |
| 13:51.53 | jazbo2185 | the writeup here http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en, just seems a little confusing to me. do I have to do ALL the steps 4.6.1 thru 4.6.4 or are 4.6.1 and 4.6.2 mutually exclusive...? |
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| 13:52.13 | Blackhold | hello |
| 13:52.19 | itchi | Sebboh: You have some troubles, maybe with your acpi, dunno at all, but it's not common at all |
| 13:52.23 | Blackhold | is necessary the initrd when I compile a kernel? |
| 13:52.46 | Blackhold | I'm compiling my own kernel, but I don't know if I have to put the initrd |
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| 13:52.51 | itchi | Sebboh: Did you try another kernel? |
| 13:52.58 | Blackhold | is it necessary to boot with the new kernel? |
| 13:52.59 | dvs | Blackhold: no |
| 13:53.06 | dave_is_sexy | can anyone help me with the gnome/xfce system menu. when i go to edit, mine just has a reference to 'include system' which is completely useless |
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| 13:53.15 | RA3OR | my mysql isnt running, i think |
| 13:53.15 | Blackhold | itchi: I'm doing a tunning of a kernel |
| 13:53.19 | RA3OR | cant connect to it |
| 13:53.20 | Blackhold | dvs thnks |
| 13:53.22 | Gnea | Blackhold: only if you need modules loaded to get the system up and running |
| 13:53.28 | Blackhold | ok |
| 13:53.33 | pofS | naber lan götler |
| 13:53.37 | Blackhold | thanks to all :) |
| 13:53.40 | dvs | Blackhold: you just have to make sure that your IDE controller and your boot file system are compiled directly into the kernel |
| 13:54.11 | Gnea | and by that, i mean modules that are loaded for the root hard disk to be detected :) |
| 13:55.08 | pofS | ula |
| 13:55.14 | pofS | NAberesiniz |
| 13:55.18 | pofS | Toto$lar |
| 13:55.20 | pofS | (: |
| 13:55.52 | itrebal | I'm trying to add another loopback IP address, and have used: http://paste2.org/p/2835 to do it, but it tells me "ifup: interface lo already configured" on `/etc/init.d/networking restart` |
| 13:55.53 | pofS | Ne diyorsun bacým anlamýyorum sussudio |
| 13:56.01 | itchi | pofS: English please! |
| 13:56.04 | sussudio | borsuk borsuk borsuk pofS. |
| 13:56.04 | dave_is_sexy | ...and also grateful to know how to set my default aps (picture viewer, music player etc) |
| 13:56.07 | itrebal | could anyone point me to documentation regarding this? |
| 13:56.21 | pofS | From turkey |
| 13:56.29 | Gnea | !tr |
| 13:56.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 13:56.30 | pofS | Not Speak engilish |
| 13:56.40 | Gnea | pofS: check it :) |
| 13:56.49 | pofS | :P |
| 13:56.58 | pofS | <<< Turk |
| 13:57.03 | Gnea | !tr |
| 13:57.04 | pofS | <<<< AsiL |
| 13:57.04 | dpkg | i guess tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 13:57.07 | Gnea | !tell pofS about tr |
| 13:57.24 | *** part/#debian jeff_hann (i=arares@89.34.99.191) |
| 13:57.41 | Sebboh | the url in that factoid is 404 |
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| 13:57.53 | Gnea | what about the irc channel? |
| 13:58.01 | pofS | :)))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 13:58.16 | pofS | Mynet irc Server |
| 13:58.26 | pofS | mynet.com |
| 13:58.32 | pofS | (: |
| 13:58.49 | jazbo2185 | grrrrrrr... lack of usb floppy drivers in etch boot floppies is the bane of my existence.... |
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| 13:58.56 | Blackhold_ | hello |
| 13:58.59 | Blackhold_ | again |
| 13:59.09 | h3sp4wn | jazbo2185: boot the install from a flash drive |
| 13:59.12 | Blackhold_ | I've got a kernel panic when I open with the new kernel |
| 13:59.13 | pofS | Again Welcome |
| 13:59.15 | Sebboh | pofS, we don't want to visit your IRC network. Well, at least, I don't, and I don't recommend that anyone else do so. =P |
| 13:59.15 | Blackhold_ | it says me |
| 13:59.25 | jazbo2185 | h3sp4wn: computer don't support usb drive boot |
| 13:59.29 | itchi | Heh, did someone try to modify the 'tr' factoid? :-) |
| 13:59.34 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 13:59.34 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:59.49 | h3sp4wn | jazbo2185: so how can you boot from a usb floppy ? |
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| 13:59.51 | pofS | Sorry Not Speak Engilsih |
| 13:59.53 | itrebal | is it possible to add multiple loop-back devices? I've tried adding lo:0 lo:1... etc to no avail, http://paste2.org/p/2835 is what I'm using |
| 13:59.55 | pofS | :S |
| 14:00.02 | pofS | Anlamýyoreum sizi |
| 14:00.04 | itchi | [Freenode] [dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] i'm not going to learn illegal characters, itchi |
| 14:00.06 | Blackhold_ | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unableto mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:00.08 | itchi | Dumb bot :-p |
| 14:00.11 | azeem | !tr |
| 14:00.11 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 14:00.18 | itchi | azeem: The link is broken |
| 14:00.26 | StOORm | i have a java program for mac(.jar(s) + .sh), and i want to run it on linux , what shoud i change in the .sh to launch it ? |
| 14:00.26 | azeem | itchi: then fix it? |
| 14:00.42 | Gnea | !tr |
| 14:00.42 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 14:00.48 | jazbo2185 | h3sp4wn: sarge boot floppies had drivers for usb floppy drive. etch dont |
| 14:00.51 | itchi | azeem: I tried to remove that #2 but dpkg tell me i'm not going to learn illegal characters, itchi |
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| 14:01.09 | Gnea | itchi / azeem: fixed. |
| 14:01.11 | itchi | azeem: I have copy and paste the stuff |
| 14:01.12 | Sebboh | Look, kids, the Turkish guy either heard dpkg the first time or s/he didn't. |
| 14:01.15 | itchi | Gnea: Ok, thanks |
| 14:01.19 | azeem | Gnea: what's so funny about that gif? |
| 14:01.23 | Amarande | floppy disks. |
| 14:01.30 | Amarande | I remember using those ... hmm, a long time ago |
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| 14:01.36 | itchi | Gnea: Why that happend? |
| 14:01.37 | Amarande | they're a quaint little 20th century thing. :) |
| 14:01.57 | itchi | Gnea: Or maybe, the question should be; How do you have fix that factoid? |
| 14:01.57 | Gnea | azeem: nothing, it doesn't exist anymore |
| 14:02.00 | Blackhold_ | Gnea: what could happen? |
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| 14:02.24 | Harzilein | hi there |
| 14:02.24 | azeem | itchi: as always: "/msg dpkg no, tr is <...>" |
| 14:02.25 | Gnea | Blackhold_: do what? |
| 14:02.29 | Blackhold_ | I only copied the System.map and the vmlinuz |
| 14:02.36 | Harzilein | i have a problem with the jirc package |
| 14:02.38 | Blackhold_ | and added a patch to a kernel |
| 14:02.45 | Gnea | Blackhold_: do a make install |
| 14:02.45 | itchi | azeem: Yeah, that's what i have try, but he complained about the special chars :-( |
| 14:02.46 | Blackhold_ | I'm compiling the 2.6.20-2 kernel |
| 14:02.53 | Harzilein | harzi@tor:~$ jirc |
| 14:02.56 | Harzilein | Can't locate POE/Preprocessor.pm in @INC [...] |
| 14:03.05 | turffy | !libx11-dev |
| 14:03.07 | Harzilein | but apt-file knows no Preprocessor.pm in debian |
| 14:03.09 | jazbo2185 | I can't for the life of me imagine why the usb floppy drivers would be removed from the etch floppy installer. If someones trying to use floppies to install, they probobly cant install any other way and so as many types of floppy drive as possible should be supported... |
| 14:03.16 | Harzilein | any hints on how to proceed? |
| 14:03.27 | azeem | jazbo2185: you can't install from floppy |
| 14:03.32 | Blackhold_ | uh thnks! |
| 14:03.38 | azeem | jazbo2185: you can boot from floppy and then install over usb disk or network |
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| 14:03.46 | itrebal | jazbo2185: ... that sucks |
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| 14:04.07 | Amarande | and these days, there's little reason not to install a CD-ROM drive, anyway |
| 14:04.22 | Amarande | Light, even a full featured CD/DVD burner is only like $50 some places now |
| 14:04.39 | Amarande | and I'm not sure, but I think CD blanks are cheaper than floppies lately |
| 14:04.48 | jazbo2185 | azeem: that's correct |
| 14:05.24 | jazbo2185 | phorce1: it's a laptop not a desktop so I cant physically install a regular floppy drive... |
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| 14:06.06 | jazbo2185 | Amarande: the laptop don't have a cdrom drive... |
| 14:06.27 | h3sp4wn | jazbo2185: use a convertor and put the disk into a desktop to install (that is what I would do) |
| 14:06.35 | h3sp4wn | *hard disk |
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| 14:07.34 | RA3OR | why doesnt my mysql listen on 3306 ? |
| 14:07.35 | jazbo2185 | h3sp4wn: they sell those converters at any major retailer I can walk into or would I have to order online? |
| 14:07.36 | JosefAssad | hi |
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| 14:07.54 | Amarande | I can't believe I'm drinking alcohol at 10am |
| 14:07.58 | JosefAssad | Listen, I am not sure how to get glxgears on my machine. aptitude search glxgears gives me nothing |
| 14:08.08 | Amarande | I mean, it's just one bottle of 5% hard cider that I didn't finish last night, but still |
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| 14:08.20 | RA3OR | abrotman ? jelly-home ? |
| 14:08.24 | Amarande | JosefAssad, I think it's in mesa-tools or mesa-utils or something like that |
| 14:08.27 | Amarande | apt-cache search mesa |
| 14:08.31 | h3sp4wn | jazbo2185: I am in the UK so any shop I mention wouldn't be applicable to you |
| 14:08.41 | JosefAssad | Amarande: wouldn't aptitude search give a hit on that though? |
| 14:08.42 | h3sp4wn | jazbo2185: maplin's sells them in the UK |
| 14:08.48 | draeath | I'm setting up full-disk encryption (excepting /boot) - but I want to use a different algo than the guided method allows |
| 14:09.18 | Amarande | not all that familiar anymore with aptitude, Josef, I use synaptic these days to select packages from menus |
| 14:09.22 | draeath | how exactly do I work this? |
| 14:09.30 | JosefAssad | Amarande: okie. Will give that a shot |
| 14:09.51 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure it's in the mesa utilities package, I just don't remember 100% what the name was |
| 14:10.01 | JosefAssad | mesa-util |
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| 14:10.30 | Amarande | draeath, what are you storing that needs full disk encryption? |
| 14:10.42 | Amarande | maybe I just don't think there's all that much use for it in civilian applications, but still ... |
| 14:11.07 | draeath | Amarande: nothing so much, but it is a laptop that will sometimes contain data from work that could possibly be sensetive |
| 14:11.32 | JosefAssad | okay, so gl seems to be fine. Wonder why videois so choppy then... |
| 14:11.48 | itchi | RA3OR: Why should it be not? |
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| 14:11.52 | Blackhold_ | uopz |
| 14:11.56 | Blackhold_ | kernel panic again! |
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| 14:13.02 | itrebal | is there a reason that when I put extra loopback interfaces into my /etc/network/interfaces it wont automaticly start when I run /etc/init.d/ifupdown restart but will start if I do them manually with ifup lo:1 etc |
| 14:13.05 | draeath | What encryption algorithm does "Guided - Encrypted LVM" use? |
| 14:13.14 | RA3OR | itchi ? |
| 14:13.17 | jazbo2185 | Is it possible to configure a basic (netgear) off the shelf router running off the shelf firmware to allow network boot or do I need a router runner openwrt or something similar? |
| 14:13.45 | draeath | jazbo2185: you dont need to boot from the router, you could set another device up |
| 14:13.47 | Amarande | draeath, ahh ... customer personal information and such? |
| 14:14.00 | draeath | Amarande: not so much as internal product development stuff |
| 14:14.10 | draeath | Amarande: that, and I'm half paranoid |
| 14:14.22 | itchi | RA3OR: Yeah heh, mysql needs to listen to somethings heh |
| 14:14.25 | Amarande | ahh, I probably would rather leak internal product development than customer data, if I had to leak something, though |
| 14:14.28 | RA3OR | my mysql isnt started |
| 14:14.34 | RA3OR | did a reboot on the box |
| 14:14.41 | jazbo2185 | draeath: but it sounds like I need to reconfigure the dhcp server... |
| 14:14.46 | Amarande | but then, that's speaking as someone who's had my credit card number stolen twice in 2-3 years :| *sigh* |
| 14:14.47 | itrebal | Amarande: "hrm.. we're going to leak SOMETHING... what shall we leak?" |
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| 14:14.49 | itchi | RA3OR: ps aux | grep mysql |
| 14:15.00 | RA3OR | now it is |
| 14:15.03 | RA3OR | slow start ? |
| 14:15.10 | Amarande | itrebal, pfft, you know I mean 'if some data does leak, I'd rather it be that' |
| 14:15.13 | draeath | jazbo2185: hehe you could also turn DHCP on the router off and use the same device for network boot as your DHCP |
| 14:15.24 | itrebal | Amarande: ;) |
| 14:15.37 | Amarande | of course, the open source zealot in me wants all development to be open ;) |
| 14:15.45 | itrebal | :) |
| 14:15.46 | itchi | RA3OR: Dunno, depend of your config, but default it is very good and fast. I dunno what there happend, a bit lack of info hehe |
| 14:15.58 | itrebal | hell, even my open source projects I don't release until I get to 1.0 :) |
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| 14:16.03 | draeath | Amarande: hmm im just going to go with the guided method |
| 14:16.11 | Amarande | My open source projects tend not to get coded at all :| |
| 14:16.12 | draeath | is there a way to check the algo used later on? |
| 14:16.23 | itrebal | Amarande: I've only had 2 get to 1.0 :( |
| 14:16.30 | Amarande | I have this habit of carefully planning out the project, even writing out the documentation, and never getting around to actually coding it. :| |
| 14:16.39 | itrebal | hehehe |
| 14:16.49 | Amarande | oh, I am *so* Purple Ajah lol |
| 14:16.53 | jazbo2185 | draeath: ahah, yes, that sounds like it might work, thanks |
| 14:17.31 | itchi | RA3OR: Stop mysql and restart it, and look if it take to much time |
| 14:19.44 | jazbo2185 | The agravating part is that booting oldstable from floppy worked just fine 3 weeks ago and last nigh and now suddenly it's broken.... |
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| 14:20.16 | mkl1525 | Hi, how can I change default gui from gdm/gnome to kdm/kde on cli? |
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| 14:22.23 | Blackhold | hello again |
| 14:22.42 | Blackhold | it still don't work :( |
| 14:22.56 | Blackhold | it says to define the correct /root |
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| 14:24.31 | nakeee | I once install a certain package from sid and from that moment on it kept wanting to upgrade it against sid, how do I make it back into testing? |
| 14:24.54 | Blackhold | but I only used, make menuconfig, charged the config of the working kernel, I applied a patch for the kernel(the patch matches for the version of the kernel), make, make modules_install, make install, update-grub, I reboot with the configured kernel and gives me a kernel panic, what misses? what I'm doing wrong? |
| 14:25.11 | nakeee | Blackhold, usually you apply patches before make menuconfig |
| 14:25.25 | nakeee | Blackhold, also you might want to use make oldconfig to take the running config |
| 14:26.08 | Blackhold | well, I'm going to do first the patch, and then de make menuconfig, load the config, ... |
| 14:26.38 | nakeee | Blackhold, you might also be missing initrd, if your hd or the sort is compiled as a module the kernel will panic |
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| 14:28.51 | Blackhold | nakeee: how? |
| 14:29.01 | nakeee | Blackhold, how what? |
| 14:29.02 | Blackhold | wich file I shall copy to /boot? |
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| 14:29.56 | nakeee | Blackhold, just make sure in your kernel that your controller/file system are not modules |
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| 14:30.04 | nakeee | Blackhold, better than to start making initrd... |
| 14:30.09 | nakeee | hi Shachar :) |
| 14:30.17 | Blackhold | mmmm ok |
| 14:30.31 | Blackhold | were is this controller file |
| 14:30.34 | Blackhold | system |
| 14:30.56 | Blackhold | I'm not very expert on linux, if you see ;P |
| 14:31.14 | Shachar | hi |
| 14:31.22 | ShiFTKey | Linux is huge |
| 14:31.33 | Blackhold | yep, I know! |
| 14:31.44 | nakeee | Blackhold, do make menuconfig |
| 14:31.53 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:32.01 | nakeee | Blackhold, btw you can always use one of those automatic tools for debian |
| 14:32.27 | nakeee | Shachar, you were to tau sec today? |
| 14:32.37 | Shachar | I'm going there now |
| 14:32.42 | Shachar | it's starting in half an hour |
| 14:32.43 | Blackhold | the easy way is to donwload a precompiled kernel |
| 14:32.51 | Blackhold | but I need to activate a thing |
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| 14:32.57 | Blackhold | I must to apply a patch |
| 14:33.01 | nakeee | Blackhold, what thing? |
| 14:33.06 | kabile | hi everybody. |
| 14:33.09 | Blackhold | I'm trying to activate multimedia buttons |
| 14:33.12 | draeath | how would one build software for a system using different kernel version (same architecture) and glibc version? |
| 14:33.12 | Shachar | in fact, I'm going now |
| 14:33.15 | Blackhold | of a lenovo 3000 v100 |
| 14:33.16 | geirola | i can't find info on how to change my repositories to some faster ones. The default repository never exceeds 100kb/sec here..can anyone direct me to a guide? |
| 14:33.21 | Blackhold | the new computers of ibm |
| 14:33.25 | nakeee | Shachar, I only heard about it today:) no much chance to get to ta on time;) |
| 14:33.27 | kabile | i'm install mysql-server-5.0 with use apt-get install but mysql server do'nt start |
| 14:33.32 | kabile | error: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 14:33.34 | nakeee | Shachar, have fun:) |
| 14:33.36 | streuner | geirola: apt-spy |
| 14:33.36 | asg | draeath: in a chroot, in qemu, etc. |
| 14:33.36 | Blackhold | and could up and down the brightness |
| 14:33.44 | kabile | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 14:33.52 | kabile | dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 14:33.57 | kabile | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.00 | kabile | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 14:34.03 | kabile | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.04 | streuner | stop |
| 14:34.08 | streuner | don't paste stuff here |
| 14:34.16 | kabile | streuner, sorry. |
| 14:34.27 | geirola | looks great, streuner..thanks :) |
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| 14:34.38 | streuner | kabile: paste the command you used and the error you got in paster bot |
| 14:34.43 | streuner | !paste |
| 14:34.43 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 14:35.13 | nakeee | Blackhold, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 14:35.34 | Blackhold | nakeee: well I've got the kernel uncompressed to /usr/src |
| 14:35.43 | Blackhold | first I have to apply the patch? |
| 14:35.49 | streuner | sure |
| 14:35.52 | Blackhold | or make menuconfig |
| 14:35.52 | nakeee | Blackhold, yea |
| 14:35.58 | Blackhold | the first one |
| 14:35.59 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 14:36.09 | Blackhold | patch -p1 < file.patch |
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| 14:36.42 | kabile | my problem output: http://paste.debian.net/26778 |
| 14:36.47 | draeath | How would one go about building a binary against a spefic glibc version? |
| 14:37.00 | Blackhold | 'cause I did a grep -e ^++++ file.patch and appeared a /b/drivers/... |
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| 14:37.34 | Blackhold | nakeee: is it? |
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| 14:37.42 | streuner | draeth: just install the version and point to it via symlink /usr/bin/gcc ? |
| 14:37.49 | streuner | kabile: is mysql installed? |
| 14:38.08 | kabile | streuner, yes, of course. |
| 14:38.32 | streuner | kabile: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:38.33 | RA3OR | itchi: how do i stop / start mysql ? |
| 14:38.34 | RA3OR | :D |
| 14:38.37 | nakeee | Blackhold, if it said patching and gave you few lines it went ok |
| 14:38.39 | azeem | draeath: why would you want to do that? |
| 14:38.49 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:39.00 | geirola | itchi: /etc/init.d/mysql stop | start | restart ? |
| 14:39.18 | geirola | or..RA3OR i meant there.. :) |
| 14:39.29 | Blackhold | now, make menuconfig |
| 14:39.40 | Blackhold | and load the default config to that kernel |
| 14:39.44 | Blackhold | is right? |
| 14:39.59 | draeath | azeem: i need to build binaries for one of our products, that is using an old kernel version and glibc version |
| 14:40.24 | azeem | draeath: and that product is based on some Debian version? |
| 14:40.31 | draeath | no, its a custom system |
| 14:40.37 | draeath | i dont have access to the sources but it is x86 |
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| 14:40.58 | sam_kaay | Hi can someone please recommend a good GUI FTP program. |
| 14:41.01 | azeem | draeath: and you don't have a development environment for it? |
| 14:41.10 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 14:41.10 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 14:41.22 | eMonster | yeah! and you with it |
| 14:41.33 | streuner | !kill eMonster |
| 14:41.39 | sam_kaay | lol |
| 14:41.42 | Blackhold | and I look for the line that added the patch, now is setted at m, nor * |
| 14:41.55 | Blackhold | nakeee |
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| 14:42.32 | draeath | azeem: no, im in a different department, this is a side project trying to get myself over there :P |
| 14:42.39 | eMonster | dpkg is it version 9 or 8 |
| 14:43.31 | kabile | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:43.45 | nakeee | Blackhold, try make oldconfig ? |
| 14:43.45 | azeem | draeath: bad luck then I guess |
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| 14:44.40 | nakeee | Blackhold, the original kernel come with linus configuration or so;P |
| 14:44.47 | Blackhold | nakeee: I don't charge the configuration file using the make menuconfig? |
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| 14:44.57 | streuner | kabile: edit /etc/init.d/mysql and use option (-x) in that script |
| 14:44.59 | draeath | azeem: any way to find the version used? I can pull an existing binary to analyze on my own system if i need |
| 14:45.26 | eMonster | sowho is on vista in here |
| 14:45.45 | streuner | kabile: run /etc/init.d/mysql start and paste the entire error in paster bot |
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| 14:46.22 | neiljp | anyone know how to change the default printer in evince? every time I have to change it to my lpr driver, its driving me crazy! |
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| 14:46.36 | azeem | draeath: existing glibc binary? |
| 14:46.36 | streuner | kabile: #!bin/bash -x |
| 14:46.48 | azeem | h/W 31 |
| 14:46.49 | azeem | oops. |
| 14:46.55 | nakeee | Blackhold, make oldconfig takes the configuration of the current kernel |
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| 14:47.01 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:47.09 | Blackhold | then I go out from the make menuconfig |
| 14:47.14 | RA3OR | still cant connect to sql |
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| 14:47.18 | J3ff | hello |
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| 14:47.34 | Blackhold | but the make oldconfig is the same of enter to make menuconfig and load the current config file? |
| 14:47.46 | J3ff | I'm needing some help on "how clustering a Samba serv" |
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| 14:49.02 | draeath | azeem: your telling me you cant build a system different from the one your on? |
| 14:49.05 | nakeee | Blackhold, yea I guess |
| 14:49.29 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:49.34 | azeem | draeath: no, you can, but I don't see how this is relevant to #debian |
| 14:49.40 | Blackhold | then I save with the config |
| 14:49.41 | Blackhold | ok |
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| 14:49.43 | Blackhold | now? |
| 14:49.43 | draeath | azeem: because i am on a debian system |
| 14:49.49 | Blackhold | patched, and loaded the configuration |
| 14:49.55 | azeem | draeath: that's no reason |
| 14:49.55 | Blackhold | one question |
| 14:50.09 | J3ff | ? |
| 14:50.10 | Blackhold | if I want to see the penguin when I run the computer |
| 14:50.12 | azeem | draeath: this channel is about support with Debian, not for some obscure binary-only system |
| 14:50.15 | J3ff | ? |
| 14:50.18 | Blackhold | what I should turn on? |
| 14:50.30 | draeath | azeem: i will be building IN a debian system |
| 14:50.32 | Blackhold | it's a little freak to the kernel ;) |
| 14:50.33 | azeem | draeath: but if you want, make a chroot which resembles that target most closely and build there |
| 14:50.34 | draeath | and im asking how to do so |
| 14:50.40 | azeem | draeath: "make" |
| 14:50.46 | J3ff | no one can help me |
| 14:50.52 | J3ff | ? |
| 14:51.05 | azeem | J3ff: try to ask more specific questions, maybe |
| 14:51.48 | J3ff | ok in fact i have a big probem with an Microsoft Win 2003 cluster |
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| 14:52.13 | fsteves | Im trying to compile a toolchain for a firmware release of something, and Etch doesnt come with native MIPS support |
| 14:52.21 | J3ff | my boss want to install linux + samba + ... ? |
| 14:52.22 | fsteves | Do I have to rebuild the kernel? |
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| 14:52.56 | J3ff | what is the extra software i need ? |
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| 14:53.36 | azeem | fsteves: no, you need to cross-compile |
| 14:53.42 | azeem | fsteves: or compile on a MIPS box, I guess |
| 14:53.47 | draeath | azeem: that would work... any idea how I can get Potatoe or an earlier debian to do so in? |
| 14:54.13 | azeem | draeath: archive.debian.org still has them, I doubt you can use debootstrap for it though |
| 14:54.37 | fsteves | azeem: Well, mips-linux-gcc is no longer part of Debian from the factory |
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| 14:54.59 | azeem | fsteves: yes, with "need" I meant "you need to build a cross compiler for yourself" |
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| 14:55.13 | azeem | fsteves: obviously, this is pretty advanced stuff which isn't supported in here, really |
| 14:55.23 | h3sp4wn | fsteves: emdebian has some toolchains |
| 14:55.24 | azeem | fsteves: maybe look into scratchbox |
| 14:55.40 | fsteves | ah, gotcha azeem, ill check emdebian |
| 14:55.46 | fsteves | ty |
| 14:55.48 | RA3OR | itchi: restarted, still cannot connect to mysql |
| 14:56.01 | kabile | streuner, i did run mysql with x mode, output: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [31mfailed![39;49m |
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| 14:56.01 | itchi | RA3OR: From a remote computer? |
| 14:56.07 | itchi | RA3OR: Try first local |
| 14:56.07 | RA3OR | yes |
| 14:56.13 | RA3OR | also from local with phpmyadmin |
| 14:56.15 | itchi | RA3OR: Remote is disabled, default |
| 14:56.33 | RA3OR | where is teh conf? |
| 14:56.43 | itchi | RA3OR: dpkg -L foo-pkg |
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| 14:57.10 | RA3OR | ? |
| 14:57.11 | fsteves | at one point i swore this toolchain shipped with a cross compiler |
| 14:57.13 | RA3OR | not installed |
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| 14:57.23 | itchi | RA3OR: See /msg dpkg foo |
| 14:57.29 | Blackhold | ping nakeee |
| 14:57.39 | itchi | RA3OR: foo-pkg is whatever package |
| 14:57.56 | streuner | kabile: did you look into the logs? |
| 14:58.03 | itchi | RA3OR: Take that fish |
| 14:58.09 | streuner | kabile: we need more infos about... |
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| 14:58.14 | RA3OR | :)) |
| 14:58.15 | nakeee | Blackhold, sorry i'm busy with client |
| 14:58.21 | RA3OR | FUBAR |
| 14:58.27 | Blackhold | I know that the logo is in linux/include/linux-logo.h |
| 14:58.31 | Blackhold | ok |
| 14:58.31 | draeath | azeem: hmm, no source of getting the origional ISOs though... |
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| 14:58.38 | kabile | streuner, no, i did'nt look log, can you help me about this problem ? |
| 14:58.57 | Blackhold | could some one give me some help in kernel compiling please? |
| 14:58.58 | itchi | RA3OR: Btw; see /msg dpkg fish |
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| 14:59.27 | streuner | kabile: well, not with more infos |
| 14:59.27 | draeath | Blackhold: quick tip: hit ? on an item in menuconfig for info on that item |
| 14:59.30 | RA3OR | lol |
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| 14:59.50 | streuner | kabile: keep the convo here please |
| 14:59.58 | RA3OR | pwn3d, soh |
| 15:00.02 | streuner | kabile: no, i don't ssh into your box |
| 15:00.08 | itchi | RA3OR: You gona hate me, do /msg dpkg lol |
| 15:00.39 | RA3OR | how about rtfm ? |
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| 15:01.07 | itchi | RA3OR: Well, read it :-p |
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| 15:01.33 | RA3OR | i do read, but lost one day with a shitty install |
| 15:01.46 | Sebboh | How do I make a .patch file? When I use diff, the output isn't the same as the .patch files that I see people post to project mailing lists. |
| 15:01.51 | RA3OR | think ill format and do all over again |
| 15:02.12 | tyler_ | whats happening to giFT??? seems not to have any files to share? |
| 15:02.16 | Blackhold | draeath: I'm using menuconfig via ncurses and don't see the item show logo or something like this |
| 15:02.25 | Blackhold | well |
| 15:02.28 | tyler_ | whats happening to giFT??? seems not to have any files to share? |
| 15:02.31 | Blackhold | I let for an other moment |
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| 15:02.44 | Blackhold | when I have the configuration putted in the kernel |
| 15:02.51 | Blackhold | I quit the make menuconfig |
| 15:02.53 | itchi | RA3OR: Nah, you need to know your trouble, restarting from scratch is the most sad way, see what you have messed up and fix it. Maybe uninstall (purge) the package and install it again, but not a reinstall heh |
| 15:03.15 | Blackhold | and do make && make modules_install && make install && update-grub |
| 15:03.17 | RA3OR | i wanted to put lammp in it |
| 15:03.24 | Blackhold | I don't do anything more? |
| 15:03.39 | itchi | Blackhold: Do you not create a kernel image 'the' debian way? |
| 15:03.52 | Blackhold | is what I'm doing all the time, but always shows me kernel panic |
| 15:03.57 | tyler_ | whats happening to giFT??? seems not to have any files to share? |
| 15:03.59 | RA3OR | the fuxup started when i apt-get instll phpsysinfo |
| 15:04.01 | Blackhold | itchi: what? |
| 15:04.06 | Blackhold | I tell |
| 15:04.17 | Blackhold | I donwloaded a kernel sources from kernel.org |
| 15:04.19 | RA3OR | it also put apache 1.3 |
| 15:04.21 | Blackhold | applied a patch |
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| 15:04.29 | itchi | Blackhold: But make && .. is not the Debian way of doing it |
| 15:04.32 | Blackhold | and charged the working configuration to the kernel |
| 15:04.41 | Blackhold | uh ok |
| 15:04.51 | Blackhold | then separately |
| 15:04.52 | itchi | Blackhold: Make a .deb of that |
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| 15:05.13 | Blackhold | I don't want to create a .deb |
| 15:05.14 | Blackhold | :S |
| 15:05.45 | itchi | Blackhold: Why do you use a disto that make use of a package manager at all? |
| 15:06.31 | HostilePenguin | i looked at a live belenix cd first thing is says when you boot it up is licenseing crap freesolaris huh? |
| 15:06.31 | itchi | Blackhold: It's intended to easy remove stuff too. So making a .deb of your banana kernel and it will be easy for you to uninstall it too |
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| 15:08.33 | tyler_ | whats happening to giFT??? seems not to have any files to share? |
| 15:08.58 | Blackhold | :S |
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| 15:09.07 | Blackhold | I don't understand anything :S |
| 15:09.19 | Blackhold | I never compiled a kernel |
| 15:09.19 | itchi | tyler_: A firewall trouble? |
| 15:09.27 | Blackhold | I don't know a lot what I'm doing |
| 15:09.29 | HostilePenguin | for all of you who repair pc's out there make a live ubunatu cd and give ti away with your repair job set in bios to boot from cd (tell them not to leave a cd in it now on boot)and tell them when their windows dies that they can use that cd until they bring it back to you :) |
| 15:09.42 | Blackhold | I read in the help what to do, but don't works :( |
| 15:09.46 | tyler_ | no firewall |
| 15:09.46 | Blackhold | so that I'm here... |
| 15:10.01 | h3sp4wn | HostilePenguin: ? surely we would use debian |
| 15:10.08 | Blackhold | and my english level is not very high :S |
| 15:10.14 | itchi | tyler_: for some p2p, you need to forward some special ports, if your behind a router |
| 15:10.22 | HostilePenguin | nah they bring the pc to you they cant use debian |
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| 15:10.32 | itchi | Blackhold: What's your native language? |
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| 15:10.35 | h3sp4wn | HostilePenguin: debian-live |
| 15:11.00 | HostilePenguin | i just dont want them to get any ideas |
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| 15:11.26 | HostilePenguin | if they do decide to switch somewhere down the line |
| 15:11.36 | h3sp4wn | HostilePenguin: I wouldn't give anyone ubuntu knowing the latest record of quality control (just skipping a release candidate to release on time is totally unacceptable to me) |
| 15:11.49 | itchi | Blackhold: Anyway, compiling a kernel the 'classic' way is not that hard, the hardest part is to know what you need to put it in. But search on the web, howto compile kernel on debian or somethings like that |
| 15:11.52 | Blackhold | itchi: catalan or spanish |
| 15:12.02 | HostilePenguin | just seems to be the linux of the masses |
| 15:12.15 | HostilePenguin | imho |
| 15:12.16 | RA3OR | itchi: im in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, where do i edit so mysql accepts non-local connections? |
| 15:12.26 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 15:12.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 15:12.30 | itchi | Blackhold: Avoid PM people please |
| 15:12.46 | itchi | Blackhold: Tried on #debian-es ? |
| 15:12.52 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:13.08 | Blackhold | itchi: I live there ;) |
| 15:13.11 | jetscreamer | but you can ask in both |
| 15:13.13 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:13.15 | RA3OR | !ro |
| 15:14.29 | Sebboh | How do I make a .patch file? When I use diff, the output isn't the same as the .patch files that I see people post to project mailing lists. |
| 15:15.47 | HostilePenguin | how do you remove u3 under linux? |
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| 15:16.11 | itchi | HostilePenguin: What's 'u3'? |
| 15:16.17 | fsteves | god i love screen heh |
| 15:16.19 | geirola | how can I remove the whole debian menu under Applications? |
| 15:16.24 | HostilePenguin | that crap on usb drives |
| 15:16.25 | xingu | Sebboh: diff -Nu |
| 15:16.36 | itchi | geirola: Leave that |
| 15:16.44 | RA3OR | phpmyadmin is on localhost, and cant connect to it |
| 15:16.48 | geirola | itchi: it feels like bloat |
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| 15:17.01 | geirola | I'd prefer having just the programs I need in the menus |
| 15:17.02 | itchi | geirola: It is bloated; cause your system is |
| 15:17.06 | geirola | hehe |
| 15:17.16 | itchi | geirola: Just install what you need heh |
| 15:17.16 | abrotman | geirola: then remove the apps you don't use ? |
| 15:17.20 | geirola | I've removed all packages from Synaptics that I know i don't need |
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| 15:17.37 | geirola | But there's heaps of packages i dont _know_ if i need ;) |
| 15:17.45 | HostilePenguin | wow |
| 15:17.46 | RA3OR | #1045 - Access denied for user 'pma'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 15:17.56 | itchi | RA3OR: heh, and your pass? |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | geirola: such as ? |
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| 15:18.21 | geirola | many of the entries in the debian menu is now not executable because i've removed it |
| 15:18.23 | geirola | like games |
| 15:18.27 | itchi | RA3OR: First define the root pass, then connect to it as root user and create some user accounts for that mysql |
| 15:18.29 | HostilePenguin | lmao |
| 15:18.39 | geirola | i don't want any of the games installed..but they're still in the debian menu |
| 15:18.43 | itchi | RA3OR: In that mysql, to be clear |
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| 15:19.06 | RA3OR | itchi: installation took 10 mins, how many months does it take to config a webserver ? |
| 15:19.14 | itchi | RA3OR: 2 minutes |
| 15:19.22 | itchi | RA3OR: ... on a slow computer |
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| 15:19.32 | RA3OR | itchi: right |
| 15:19.36 | geirola | when i installed debian i chose only "debian base" and "x desktop environment" |
| 15:19.40 | HostilePenguin | forever for a desktop :O |
| 15:19.51 | RA3OR | yesterday took 2 guyz to figure what happend to apache |
| 15:19.53 | geirola | i thought i'd get the option to select individual packages too, but it just went ahead and installed everything |
| 15:19.57 | itchi | geirola: In that 'tasksel' ? |
| 15:20.13 | geirola | yes |
| 15:20.34 | RA3OR | i know how to make a webserver work, but on win32 |
| 15:20.38 | itchi | RA3OR: Yeah, heh, do you think someone that not know the stuff may be able to setup it? Nah, you need to learn the stuff and know what your doing |
| 15:20.45 | geirola | tasksel had a few interesting options to it |
| 15:20.47 | geirola | thanks :) |
| 15:20.58 | geirola | removing millions of apps now |
| 15:21.16 | geirola | 89 to be more exact ;) |
| 15:21.29 | RA3OR | itchi: i know, but in linux its split in /etc, then i go in /var to add databases (backups) |
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| 15:21.40 | itchi | geirola: Expect to be are without X in a few |
| 15:21.47 | geirola | ye |
| 15:21.49 | geirola | hehe |
| 15:21.52 | jetscreamer | i always take all the checkboxes off in tasksel |
| 15:21.53 | geirola | gdm was just removed |
| 15:21.54 | RA3OR | itchi: so, mysql is running, netstat -tap says: tcp 0 0 localhost:mysql *:* LISTEN 2339/mysqld |
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| 15:22.21 | jetscreamer | better when you know exactly what you want |
| 15:22.22 | itchi | RA3OR: you tried to connect with a user (who not exist, i suspect) and without a pass |
| 15:22.26 | geirola | "apt-get install xserver-xorg gnome" to reinstall X ? |
| 15:22.42 | jetscreamer | try xorg gnome |
| 15:22.43 | RA3OR | i tried to connect with phpmyadmin with root and http based auth |
| 15:22.57 | eisen | geirola: there is update-menu |
| 15:22.59 | RA3OR | set it up in phpmyadmin's config |
| 15:23.03 | geirola | i reinstalled gdm |
| 15:23.14 | kelaouchi | wich way can i boot my kernel from live or install cd ? |
| 15:23.15 | RA3OR | so it asks for user pass |
| 15:23.18 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 15:23.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 15:23.28 | RA3OR | default, does mysql has root pass? |
| 15:23.34 | RA3OR | *have |
| 15:23.36 | geirola | ah...update-menus removed a lot of crap :) |
| 15:23.37 | RA3OR | or w/e |
| 15:23.38 | jetscreamer | kelaouchi: grubshell |
| 15:23.56 | itchi | RA3OR: You should not need to modify phpmyadmin at thist stage, just setup root password in that mysql and allow him to connect |
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| 15:24.39 | kelaouchi | jetscreamer i am looking for a way to boot it fromm boot menu of install cd where there is no grub |
| 15:24.39 | jetscreamer | kelaouchi: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-a57d9f1dd8e977a5e79c26afeca72d0cba4e5c56 |
| 15:24.53 | jetscreamer | kelaouchi: ^^ |
| 15:25.46 | RA3OR | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 15:25.46 | RA3OR | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
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| 15:26.01 | RA3OR | lol, and i put the pass in |
| 15:26.11 | RA3OR | mysqladmin -h serverip -u root password mysqlrootpassword |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | use a real database :) |
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| 15:26.39 | abrotman | there is no root mysql password unless you set it |
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| 15:26.51 | abrotman | that i recall anywqays |
| 15:26.56 | geirola | ok, the debian menu is slimmed down to maximum now i think |
| 15:27.06 | fsteves | RA3OR: you have to set the root password, for localhost and if you commented out bind-address, you must do it for each host you with to use |
| 15:27.13 | geirola | although i'd prefer to remove it completely |
| 15:27.27 | geirola | "slimmed down to minimum" sounds better i guess.. :) |
| 15:28.07 | Roey | gmorning Abrotman |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:28.14 | kelaouchi | jetscreamer sure but there is a way to load the kernel |
| 15:28.17 | itchi | RA3OR: That mysqladmin command you execute. Is the mysql server on the same comp? |
| 15:28.30 | itchi | ggr, sound weird |
| 15:28.35 | RA3OR | im on putty |
| 15:28.39 | jetscreamer | kelaouchi: use a grub floppy |
| 15:28.44 | RA3OR | logged as root |
| 15:29.09 | RA3OR | the ip adress will change after i config the os |
| 15:29.13 | fsteves | uhg, whats this about: make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 with I do make menuconfig |
| 15:29.20 | kelaouchi | jetscreamer it is on my laptop where i have no floppy drive... |
| 15:29.28 | itchi | RA3OR: Usually you connect as normal user; and when needed, you switch (su) to root user. But that's not the problem right now |
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| 15:29.48 | RA3OR | yeah, i enabled rootlogin in ssh |
| 15:29.50 | kelaouchi | and still : i am sure there is a way to do it as i explained you |
| 15:29.54 | RA3OR | so i can winscp to it |
| 15:30.06 | RA3OR | bind-address= 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:30.12 | itchi | RA3OR: Try agian but without '-h serverip' |
| 15:30.14 | RA3OR | why should i bind an ip here ? |
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| 15:30.26 | RA3OR | itchi: did that, wanted to test |
| 15:30.29 | fsteves | ncurses oribken |
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| 15:30.33 | RA3OR | with -h... |
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| 15:30.47 | itchi | RA3OR: Default, you can only access to localhost, i thought |
| 15:31.01 | geirola | how can i check if the synaptics driver has been installed properly? I can't get my touchpad to run with synaptic driver |
| 15:31.06 | jetscreamer | kelaouchi: boot a usbstick, burn a cd that uses grub |
| 15:31.11 | itchi | RA3OR: So specifing a ip, should not work, or if you use 127.0.0.1 as ip |
| 15:31.12 | RA3OR | i dont see why i should bind the ip there |
| 15:31.13 | geirola | i have always managed this in ubuntu |
| 15:31.15 | RA3OR | it should listen |
| 15:31.44 | itchi | RA3OR: It listen only for 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:32.03 | RA3OR | it should respond to all 3306 requests |
| 15:32.16 | itchi | RA3OR: That's a later step ... |
| 15:32.16 | RA3OR | local or non-local |
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| 15:32.42 | itchi | RA3OR: Get it first working heh :-p |
| 15:32.50 | RA3OR | ... trying |
| 15:32.57 | RA3OR | if not, format, win2003 and fux it |
| 15:33.19 | itchi | RA3OR: Fuxing win2003 again?? :-p |
| 15:33.46 | RA3OR | debian netinstall: 10 mins, made shell login pretty, restored backup, then apache ... errors, one day fixing it with you guyz ... |
| 15:33.50 | RA3OR | now mysql |
| 15:34.00 | itchi | RA3OR: Nah, don't give it up man. You forget how much time you have splend to learn that win32 thing, not expect to learn a new OS in 5 mins heh |
| 15:34.01 | RA3OR | apache and mysql should take 10 mins tops |
| 15:34.09 | xingu | maths is hard, lets go shopping |
| 15:34.11 | RA3OR | with conf's edited |
| 15:34.25 | itchi | RA3OR: It take lesser as 3 mins here |
| 15:34.30 | RA3OR | itchi: i am not laughing |
| 15:34.40 | itchi | RA3OR: Me too! |
| 15:34.52 | RA3OR | i put custom error pages, copy paste, i always put a 5 min more or less |
| 15:34.59 | itchi | RA3OR: You have tweaked some config files i guess, like you did with phpmyadmin |
| 15:35.16 | RA3OR | all i did in phpmyadmin is change auth method |
| 15:35.22 | RA3OR | big tweak there |
| 15:35.29 | RA3OR | from config to http |
| 15:36.07 | itchi | RA3OR: Set it again how it was and define the root password in mysql, allow him to connect to localhost; case solved |
| 15:36.10 | RA3OR | itchi, wanna try it? ill give you shell pass |
| 15:36.18 | RA3OR | i changed the root pass |
| 15:36.28 | itchi | RA3OR: Your much more crazy than i thougt |
| 15:37.33 | RA3OR | itchi: i lost 2 days with apache/mysql; wouldnt you? |
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| 15:37.33 | RA3OR | its not my 1st apache and will not be last |
| 15:37.35 | RA3OR | im just new to debian |
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| 15:37.41 | RA3OR | aka nub |
| 15:37.41 | itchi | RA3OR: Not my fault that you play with things you not know about heh. Just look in the docs heh. Peoples told you already how to fix your trouble. But ... you still not fixed it hehe |
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| 15:38.03 | RA3OR | i googled already |
| 15:38.09 | RA3OR | http://swik.net/Debian/Debian+Admin+Step+By+Step+Tutorials+and+articles+with+screenshots/MySQL+Database+Server+Installation+and+Configuration+in+Debian/3fxy |
| 15:38.22 | RA3OR | mysql prompt should appear in shell |
| 15:38.30 | RA3OR | instead, error is printed |
| 15:38.31 | itchi | RA3OR: And i may correct you: replace lost with splend |
| 15:38.42 | RA3OR | naw man |
| 15:38.45 | RA3OR | its time i format |
| 15:38.49 | RA3OR | clean debian |
| 15:38.57 | wintix | !sunday |
| 15:38.57 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:39.05 | RA3OR | :D |
| 15:39.13 | RA3OR | !nub |
| 15:39.13 | dpkg | nub is probably see <noob> |
| 15:39.17 | RA3OR | !noob |
| 15:39.17 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 15:39.26 | RA3OR | !willing to take crap to learn |
| 15:39.28 | abrotman | RA3OR: msg the bot |
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| 15:39.39 | patco | http://4ata.hit.bg/ |
| 15:39.43 | Amarande | hmm, according to iceweasel, apparently debian and slackware are words, but redhat is not. :) |
| 15:39.45 | abrotman | patco: stop spanning |
| 15:39.47 | abrotman | spamming |
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| 15:39.56 | itchi | RA3OR: Somethings like this http://pastebin.ca/464509 |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | Amarande: it's Red hat |
| 15:40.03 | abrotman | erm .. Hat |
| 15:40.13 | itchi | RA3OR: Not that line 3 allow root to connect from anywhere |
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| 15:40.22 | Amarande | And Ubuntu is a word too. Mandriva is not, though. :) |
| 15:40.24 | patco | http://4ata.hit.bg/ |
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| 15:40.25 | wintix | !ops patco is spamming. |
| 15:40.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: patco is spamming. |
| 15:40.47 | itchi | RA3OR: Replace line 3 with myqsl>SET PASSWORD FOR root@"localhost"=PASSWORD("new_password_we_want") for security reasons |
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| 15:41.04 | RichiH | wintix: ta, klined |
| 15:41.08 | RA3OR | itch |
| 15:41.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 15:42.32 | itchi | RA3OR: Yes? |
| 15:42.42 | phasegen | Can anyone help with a wireless network problem? I think I may be missing something simple... |
| 15:42.51 | wintix | phasegen: what chipset? |
| 15:42.54 | xingu | !anyone |
| 15:42.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:43.59 | phasegen | 2 different ones actually I can't get either to let me access the net, but both are recognized and show being connected |
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| 15:44.18 | wintix | do they show up in iwconfig, phasegen? |
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| 15:44.53 | militant | what's with this new 5 minute idle business? |
| 15:45.00 | phasegen | okay...yes |
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| 15:45.16 | RA3OR | http://pastebin.ca/464516 |
| 15:45.18 | RA3OR | here u go |
| 15:45.22 | wintix | !u |
| 15:45.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:45.50 | wintix | phasegen: do you use dhcp or did you configure the network manually? |
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| 15:46.01 | phasegen | wintix: dhcp |
| 15:46.12 | RA3OR | itchi: Http://pastebin.ca/464516 |
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| 15:46.28 | wintix | phasegen: pastebin the output of ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 15:46.30 | abrotman | the chipset is still important |
| 15:46.55 | wintix | abrotman: well. if they show up in iwconfig, they seem to be configured correctly? but yes, he hasn't answered that :) |
| 15:46.59 | phasegen | wintix: can't, it's a different computer |
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| 15:47.42 | itchi | RA3OR: Heh, the same way |
| 15:47.43 | wintix | phasegen: well. if you can't tell us what exactly is broken, we can't fix it. |
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| 15:48.02 | abrotman | wintix: they might show up there but actually need firmware to do anything useful ? |
| 15:48.14 | RA3OR | itchi: easy enuff, isnt it? |
| 15:48.15 | xingu | RA3OR: is mysql-client installed? |
| 15:48.20 | itchi | RA3OR: Wait, did you install the client on that box to? You just have the server installed right now |
| 15:48.47 | wintix | abrotman: if there is no firmware, the devices don't show up in iwconfig, afaik. |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | mine doesn't require firmware .. dunno :) |
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| 15:49.02 | abrotman | just a thought |
| 15:49.05 | phasegen | wintix: can there be a permissions issue? |
| 15:49.31 | abrotman | phasegen: does 'dmesg' give any useful info ? |
| 15:49.31 | RA3OR | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/464522 |
| 15:49.44 | RA3OR | no, the client isnt installed, i bet |
| 15:50.09 | xingu | phasegen: we need; dmesg; lspci; lspcmcia; lsusb; ifconfig -a; iwconfig |
| 15:50.17 | wintix | phasegen: try to use only one wifi card and get that one to work. after that, move on to the next one. |
| 15:50.35 | xingu | phasegen: get yourself organised with a wired ethernet connection or usb memory stick or floppy. |
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| 15:50.48 | abrotman | phasegen: do you even have the model of the cards? |
| 15:51.00 | xingu | RA3OR: so, obviously, you need to install it. |
| 15:51.19 | RA3OR | shit just spammed history in shell |
| 15:51.50 | wintix | RA3OR: good thing you didn't spam it in here. |
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| 15:52.25 | foo | $ who |
| 15:52.25 | foo | -bash: /usr/bin/who: Input/output error |
| 15:52.28 | foo | Gah, this is weird. |
| 15:52.32 | foo | Any ideas? |
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| 15:53.02 | formorer | foo: buy a new harddisk |
| 15:53.03 | abrotman | foo: and whoami ? |
| 15:53.08 | xingu | foo: is /varun/utmp or /var/log/wtmp >2GB ? |
| 15:53.19 | wols | foo: checked your syslog recently? kernel messages? |
| 15:53.24 | wols | and SMART status? |
| 15:53.25 | xingu | s,varrun,var/run, |
| 15:53.45 | plb_ | heh..how the hell is windowmaker still top wm at freshmeat. People still use that? |
| 15:53.57 | RA3OR | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/464527 |
| 15:54.04 | foo | gah, this is weird. |
| 15:54.07 | foo | abrotman: -bash: /usr/bin/whoami: Input/output error |
| 15:54.10 | foo | bah. |
| 15:54.14 | xingu | plb_: people use the DE shipped with their distro and only download one when they're freaks like abrotman :) |
| 15:54.26 | xingu | foo: is /var/run/utmp or /var/log/wtmp >2GB ? |
| 15:54.31 | phasegen | I was only using one at a time... One was a rt2500 series (DWL-G122 Ver. B1) on usb, I tried the drivers and all the faq's to no avail. The other is an old belkin pcmcia card (F506020 Ver. 2) that only does b mode. |
| 15:54.32 | plb_ | xingu: =) |
| 15:54.53 | foo | xingu: $ du -h /var/run/utmp says -bash: /usr/bin/du: Input/output error |
| 15:55.07 | xingu | foo: ext3fs? |
| 15:55.08 | foo | xingu: ah, ls -al -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 4992 2007-04-29 08:10 /var/run/utmp |
| 15:55.10 | foo | xingu: yes |
| 15:55.14 | phasegen | Neither let me access the net, yet show to be connected. |
| 15:55.27 | xingu | foo: could be out of space or have errored while committing journal |
| 15:55.33 | xingu | foo: check dmesg |
| 15:55.40 | xingu | foo: also df -k for out of space |
| 15:55.41 | wintix | foo: and maybe run fsck.. |
| 15:55.45 | foo | xingu: /dev/sda1 273G 9.0G 250G 4% / |
| 15:55.47 | abrotman | foo: and can youview any logs ? |
| 15:55.48 | RA3OR | how do i clear histry ? |
| 15:55.51 | foo | I don't think it's out of space |
| 15:55.56 | Sebboh | Thanks xingu! |
| 15:55.57 | foo | abrotman: No, I can't get root |
| 15:56.02 | wintix | RA3OR: ~/.bash_history |
| 15:56.11 | xingu | foo: grep sda1 /proc/mounts ? |
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| 15:56.32 | foo | xingu: -bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error . ahh |
| 15:56.46 | foo | xingu: hm, that didn't return anything |
| 15:57.29 | RA3OR | wintix ? |
| 15:57.33 | xingu | foo: seems likely that your usr volume is fubar |
| 15:57.36 | foo | xingu: hm, does that mean it's not mounted? |
| 15:57.44 | xingu | foo: try catting it |
| 15:58.08 | foo | xingu: /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 15:58.10 | wintix | RA3OR: assuming you want to get rid of the spam in the bash history, it's located in ~/.bash_history |
| 15:58.22 | xingu | foo: that's interesting, I'm sure you'll agree |
| 15:58.25 | foo | xingu: ls: /dev2: No such file or directory |
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| 15:58.27 | foo | xingu: Yeah, that is |
| 15:58.35 | foo | well, actually |
| 15:58.41 | RA3OR | wintix: found the file, so i nano .bash_his... |
| 15:58.58 | foo | xingu: I just checked on another one of the systems that's almost identical, it has the same thing |
| 15:58.58 | wintix | do whatever you like doing to it :) |
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| 15:59.22 | wols | a ssh port forward only listens on 127.0.0.1, how do I make it listen on 0.0.0.0/0 again? |
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| 16:00.00 | fmarostica | :( |
| 16:00.00 | foo | xingu: su - says "bus error". ah |
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| 16:00.13 | fmarostica | I update my etch to unstable and my Xorg broken! |
| 16:00.17 | fmarostica | X -version |
| 16:00.26 | fmarostica | 1.3.0 it was 7.1.1 |
| 16:00.33 | abrotman | fmarostica: it's called unstable for a reason .. check the BTS |
| 16:00.36 | fmarostica | I use fglrx module for ati x1600 |
| 16:00.37 | foo | xingu: And I can't start another ssh instance to it |
| 16:00.49 | fmarostica | abrotman, BTS? |
| 16:00.49 | xingu | foo: toast; something has gone very wrong on that system, proc/mounts and /etc/mtab don't agree. |
| 16:00.57 | abrotman | !btssmite fmarostica |
| 16:01.09 | xingu | foo: and on top of that the root volume is erroring during block read. |
| 16:01.22 | xingu | foo: dev2/root2 needs an fsck |
| 16:01.24 | itchi | fmarostica: Anyway your not at the stage to run unstable it looks |
| 16:01.27 | xingu | foo: at the minimum. |
| 16:01.45 | wols | abrotman: cause of this tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:1080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21118/8 |
| 16:01.53 | wols | that 127.0.0.1 there is ugly |
| 16:02.02 | xingu | foo: etc/mtab is maintained by userspace and should be in sync with proc/mounts (which is kernel namespace) |
| 16:02.18 | wintix | wols: you forwarded with ssh -L or something? |
| 16:02.23 | abrotman | wols: put nipples on the 0s |
| 16:02.23 | wols | -R |
| 16:02.28 | xingu | foo: the fact that it's not, on at least two nodes, tells me that someone's being a little too clever locally |
| 16:02.41 | foo | xingu: I see. By "in sync," you mean /dev/sda1 should match? What's weird is I'm checking on another one of the production boxes (same hardware, debian as well) ... and it's the same way. |
| 16:02.42 | wols | I once knew how to make it listen on all interfaces but I forgot :( |
| 16:02.48 | xingu | wols: socksd |
| 16:02.55 | wintix | wols: there is some ssh parameter to get forwarded ports to accept remote connections |
| 16:03.07 | xingu | wols: or auto socks4/5 support in ssh maybe |
| 16:03.09 | foo | xingu: so, that makes 3 boxes that the first line doesn't match in mounts and mtab. |
| 16:03.20 | jelly-home | wols: -g ? |
| 16:03.35 | wintix | yes. that's what he wants :) |
| 16:03.38 | wols | xingu: I need to forward 1080 since I need to access a socks server behind NAT |
| 16:03.44 | itchi | wols: Is this interesting for you?? http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1816 |
| 16:03.50 | xingu | foo: yep; either you should be using a physical device /dev/sda1 which is what userspace is claiming, or, you should be using /dev2/root2, which is what the kernel knew at boot. |
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| 16:04.08 | xingu | wols: *vomit* |
| 16:04.25 | xingu | wols: why not just set up a proper socks proxy straddling the two autonomous systems? |
| 16:04.34 | wols | jelly-home: no workie. I have a remote forward btw |
| 16:04.48 | wols | xingu: cause the 2nd one is behind a NAT? |
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| 16:05.50 | foo | xingu: hmm. I see what you're saying about the discepency, but I don't know if that's relevent to this Input/output error. I just checked between all 6 of the servers, and they are all like that. |
| 16:06.01 | foo | relevant* |
| 16:06.03 | Amarande | Bus error? Isn't that indicative of a pretty serious bug in the program you're running? |
| 16:06.12 | jelly-home | wols: man sshd_config, GatewayPorts |
| 16:06.12 | foo | Amarande: Program? I ran su. |
| 16:06.17 | Amarande | I seem to recall x86 wasn't even supposed to get bus errors |
| 16:06.19 | foo | Amarande: Which is bad :) |
| 16:06.28 | wols | jelly-home: seen it. let's hope it works here |
| 16:06.30 | xingu | foo: yes, it has no bearing; but it may well be why the boot scripts did not detect/ repair the broken volume on this node |
| 16:06.34 | itchi | wols: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html interesting too |
| 16:06.42 | xingu | foo: as I said, it looks like someone is being far too clever locally |
| 16:07.02 | foo | xingu: I see. So, this is filesystem related, right? |
| 16:07.03 | xingu | wols: is client option "-g" what you need? |
| 16:07.08 | foo | xingu: I mean, at least from the looks of it |
| 16:07.16 | xingu | foo: I'd go for block layer |
| 16:07.23 | xingu | foo: but that's just me |
| 16:07.27 | foo | xingu: I ran badblocks 2 days ago, 0 badblocks |
| 16:07.35 | wols | jelly-home: it does. thanks |
| 16:07.37 | wols | xingu: no |
| 16:07.47 | xingu | foo: overheating, bad connector, buggy driver, wrong dma mode? |
| 16:07.56 | jelly-home | xingu: -g is for LocalForwards |
| 16:08.07 | foo | xingu: Hm, we did just put a new kernel on here the other day. Any way that's relevant? |
| 16:08.10 | xingu | it's standing on its head miss jane |
| 16:08.18 | xingu | foo: could be |
| 16:08.23 | foo | xingu: Hm, but the kernel was put on 5 machines... this is the only one with the problem |
| 16:08.30 | xingu | ... so far :) |
| 16:08.57 | xingu | foo: anyway; next step is reboot and fsck from repair disk. |
| 16:09.05 | xingu | foo: see what that turns up |
| 16:09.17 | RA3OR | itchi: i do "mysqladmin -u root password mypass" |
| 16:09.20 | foo | xingu: Odds are I can lose data? This is on a production box, I'm going to need to call the data center. |
| 16:09.30 | RA3OR | and it prints: error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 16:09.47 | xingu | foo: it's probable that something bad will happen and remote hands will be needed |
| 16:09.56 | wols | what's a console program that can use SOCKS (for testing purposes) |
| 16:10.09 | azeem | wols: tsocks |
| 16:10.23 | foo | xingu: cp throws that Input/Output error. rsync throws a Bus error. I was going to try to copy some data to the nfs mount, so much for that. |
| 16:11.01 | xingu | beer oclock! |
| 16:11.23 | Amarande | foo, you can't go down to your data center yourself? |
| 16:11.24 | foo | xingu: What are the odds that the reboot could cause a fsck to run, and the fsck could delete some files? Just curious, a windows box did that to me once with something else :) |
| 16:11.36 | jelly-home | azeem: is that a LD_PRELOAD library like dante has? |
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| 16:11.57 | foo | Amarande: I probably could if need be, yeah. |
| 16:12.24 | xingu | foo: it's more likely that data you think has been committed to disk, hasn't |
| 16:12.25 | azeem | jelly-home: dunno |
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| 16:12.39 | foo | xingu: I see. So where has it been committed to? |
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| 16:12.53 | xingu | foo: cache only |
| 16:13.07 | xingu | foo: you're not running 2.6.18-19 are you? |
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| 16:14.06 | xingu | and today's beer is - double drop |
| 16:15.03 | foo | xingu: /me sighs. 2.6.20.6 |
| 16:15.16 | foo | xingu: Is that too new? This is on sarge. |
| 16:15.16 | xingu | foo: that should be relatively fine |
| 16:15.19 | foo | oh, ok |
| 16:15.26 | itchi | RA3OR: Sorry, was away; Try this http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 16:15.38 | foo | xingu: So, the plan is to reboot and fsck. Correct? |
| 16:15.40 | itchi | RA3OR: Or whatever google result with as keyword setup mysql root password |
| 16:15.41 | xingu | foo: there's some nasty data gobbling bugs that manifest due to a change in late 2.6.18 |
| 16:15.46 | foo | xingu: aha, I see |
| 16:15.46 | xingu | foo: exactly |
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| 16:16.01 | RA3OR | itchi: why didnt you tell me all i needed to do is comment OUT bind-adress ? ='[] |
| 16:16.03 | xingu | foo: fixed ~2.6.19.3-4 if memory serves |
| 16:16.04 | itchi | wols: Did you got it? |
| 16:16.18 | itchi | RA3OR: Heh, someone have told you it! |
| 16:16.28 | wols | itchi: right now Ineed to establish connectin via socks |
| 16:16.33 | RA3OR | couldnt see it coz of the nose, i think |
| 16:16.34 | kuba_ | does anyone use 'kadu'?? |
| 16:16.35 | foo | xingu: Any special arguments? Is there a recovery console when you boot up debian? I forget |
| 16:16.39 | xingu | itchi: it was actually written in the page the fool quoted himself about an hour back |
| 16:16.41 | wols | something which I didn't manage yet. so I need something to test my socks server |
| 16:16.50 | kuba_ | i do not know what to do with this: ' error: libsndfile not found!' |
| 16:16.58 | itchi | hehe |
| 16:17.09 | kuba_ | itchi: instalowałes kadu?? |
| 16:17.18 | xingu | foo: if it were my nuts on the line, field dispatch would have a boot cd in their hand and would be booting /it/ and running the fsck from there |
| 16:17.28 | xingu | foo: however you feel like managing it... |
| 16:17.28 | wols | inspectsocks from tsocks finds a socks5 server however |
| 16:18.01 | foo | xingu: I see. Ok. Should I first try to just have it rebooted without the fsck and then see how it comes up? Just to spare the data center, and maybe be able to do it myself. |
| 16:18.03 | xingu | I mean really, port forwarding *socks* ? that's taking ip in ip in ip in ip a little too far |
| 16:18.10 | itchi | kuba_: Try apt-cache search libsndfile |
| 16:18.13 | xingu | foo: exactly |
| 16:18.17 | itchi | kuba_: And install the it |
| 16:18.29 | foo | xingu: So you think that's worth a shot? |
| 16:18.33 | kuba_ | itchi: ok zara:) |
| 16:18.34 | xingu | foo: if dispatch and downtime are bad for you, maybe get them to revert the kernel back to last-known-good |
| 16:18.34 | foo | xingu: Just having them reboot it |
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| 16:18.47 | xingu | foo: ... as well; but yes, reboot is next step |
| 16:18.48 | foo | xingu: hmm, I see. |
| 16:18.53 | foo | xingu: gotcha, ok |
| 16:18.58 | jelly-home | foo: looks like you've lost connectivity to your / disk, plenty of reasons why that might have happened |
| 16:19.00 | xingu | foo: userspace is irrecoverably hosed on the booted/running image |
| 16:19.08 | xingu | foo: nothing else to do apart from reboot |
| 16:19.34 | foo | xingu: eh, yeah, like I said... 6 other of these boxes have that same issue... after I figure this out, I'm going to figure why those aren't the same (like they should be). Good catch there, thanks |
| 16:19.42 | foo | xingu: Gotcha |
| 16:19.43 | jelly-home | foo: getting someone to the console to read / take a snapshot of the kernel messages might be useful in figuring out the cause |
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| 16:19.57 | foo | jelly-home: if they can, yeah |
| 16:20.01 | foo | jelly-home: I'll see if I can do that |
| 16:20.35 | xingu | must be the week for weird lockups, I had a node at work just go mental after six years running |
| 16:21.01 | pipeline | xingu: yeah, no shit, seeing as ssh can act as a proxy natively :X |
| 16:21.07 | pipeline | ssh -D 4 lyfe |
| 16:21.43 | Ankman | netcat cal too |
| 16:21.50 | fsteves | xingu: Funny you say that, I had a blade literally catch on fire |
| 16:22.00 | foo | xingu: ahh. hah |
| 16:22.07 | xingu | pipeline: rfc2549 compliant |
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| 16:22.41 | foo | xingu: eh, the reason for the new kernel was because disk was getting hit 100% with just mysql traffic... and I wasn't sure what it was. Spent hours on that. Anyways, I just spoke with my data center contact, he's looking into it. Thanks for the info, really appreciate it. |
| 16:22.51 | fsteves | luckily one of our cablers was in there and saw it |
| 16:22.53 | foo | xingu: If it was the kernel, I'm curious as to what triggered it. |
| 16:23.23 | xingu | foo: de nada |
| 16:23.31 | RA3OR | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/464560 |
| 16:23.41 | xingu | fsteves: heh |
| 16:23.56 | foo | xingu: Would you happen to be sticking around for an hour or two? :) |
| 16:23.57 | xingu | fsteves: argon deployed? :) |
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| 16:24.07 | xingu | foo: getting less sober, yeah. :) |
| 16:24.18 | fsteves | nope, i would have quit lol |
| 16:24.24 | fsteves | ive never had to see that happen |
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| 16:24.59 | itchi | RA3OR: Sorry, preparing the food, gona clean the table right now. I will be back in 45 mins |
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| 16:25.04 | xingu | building maintenance reckon a halon dump costs us about £25k per floor |
| 16:25.25 | abrotman | you think it costs more to clean up that stuff .. or just let it burn and rebuild ? |
| 16:25.26 | xingu | £250k sorry |
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| 16:25.41 | komposter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.37 | dave_is_sexy | i'm looking for an irc client (for debian) that is better than gaim. xchat doesn't SEEM to be any different |
| 16:27.08 | oblio_ | wahh wahhh |
| 16:27.08 | fsteves | I know, I saw the budget on my 2 new 24 port all-fiber fabric switches |
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| 16:27.29 | xand | dave_is_sexy: irssi |
| 16:27.40 | fsteves | it would have gone poof heh |
| 16:28.11 | wols | !irssi |
| 16:28.12 | dpkg | i heard irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 16:28.28 | abrotman | xchat isn't that bad .. jeez |
| 16:28.34 | xingu | it's not so much the individual dead system, it's the risk of service loss if the fire spreads |
| 16:29.02 | xand | abrotman: compared to irssi it is :P |
| 16:29.17 | xingu | having said that though there's basically nothing flammable left in the machine rooms these days |
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| 16:29.48 | xingu | it's all fire retardant - tiles, paint, furniture, even the plastics used in the systems |
| 16:29.52 | xingu | the lot |
| 16:29.59 | abrotman | xingu: everything burns |
| 16:30.01 | hark | get rid of oxygen.. problem solved. |
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| 16:30.10 | xingu | you'd be doing well to kindle any of it up hot enough to get it going across cabinets |
| 16:30.22 | xingu | hark: exactly, hence halon dumping system |
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| 16:31.17 | dave_is_sexy | lol. thankyou i'll look at irssi. also if anyone can reccoment an awesome newsgroup ap. mozilla was great when i was new to it, but now i want to track specific threads, and manage things better. maybe new threads in one pane, watched in another, mine in another?? |
| 16:31.35 | xingu | dave_is_sexy: tin |
| 16:31.47 | dave_is_sexy | xingu: danke schon |
| 16:32.17 | xand | pint of milk? |
| 16:32.27 | jelly-home | xingu: surely you jest |
| 16:32.28 | xingu | yo momma's milk |
| 16:32.50 | abrotman | xingu: or pan |
| 16:32.55 | JosefAssad | okay, this is odd. totem-gstreamer has far less choppiness issues than mplayer |
| 16:33.10 | abrotman | JosefAssad: they have differetn backends |
| 16:33.12 | Amarande | apparently, they consider AIX, HP-UX, and IRIX to be better OS's to run ircd on than Linux. :) |
| 16:33.32 | JosefAssad | abrotman: yes, I figured that out. Now I just need to know what gstreamer does differently |
| 16:33.42 | xingu | Amarande: *irix* ? |
| 16:33.49 | Sebboh | Amarande: heh. Have you seen their resume's? |
| 16:33.49 | abrotman | irix is fun! |
| 16:33.54 | Amarande | Sebboh: not really |
| 16:33.55 | xingu | dear god in almighty hacker heaven |
| 16:34.04 | Salah | Fun O_O |
| 16:34.06 | Amarande | xingu: apparently, irix. unless all the ones with a 131 ECONNRESET are Solaris instead |
| 16:34.13 | Amarande | but they still think AIX and HP-UX are better than Linux |
| 16:34.21 | Salah | We know |
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| 16:34.41 | Salah | Coz It Is more UNIX |
| 16:34.48 | abrotman | Amarande: they could be using hte "Idiot kids usually don't have commercial unix at home and therefore it's hard to test cracks on it" ? |
| 16:34.50 | Salah | or Unix It Self |
| 16:34.58 | JosefAssad | em. Hm? |
| 16:35.03 | xingu | Amarande: so basically sysvr4 good, glibc bad? |
| 16:35.07 | jelly-home | dave_is_sexy: tin has a text-based (curses) interface. I think slrn is the preferred terminal news client though. |
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| 16:35.31 | Amarande | hmm, what libc does freebsd use these days? |
| 16:35.31 | foo | xingu: Hm, alright. I'll just have to make sure I think about what you might tell me what to do |
| 16:35.32 | Amarande | I think freebsd was still the most popular there, even above the others |
| 16:35.32 | foo | hehe |
| 16:35.38 | niles | hi |
| 16:35.54 | Amarande | They *love* FreeBSD. Linux, however, is hated like the Great ... er, I mean the Dark One. |
| 16:35.57 | Salah | Anybody Can Tell me about Debian etch 4 it is Stable ? |
| 16:36.03 | Salah | ?? |
| 16:36.08 | Salah | it is Stable ? |
| 16:36.08 | azeem | Salah: yes |
| 16:36.10 | dave_is_sexy | aw, terminal aps? why are all the good things terminal based? |
| 16:36.10 | Amarande | yes, Salah, etch is stable |
| 16:36.12 | niles | how can i tell which repo in source.list provieds a particular package im looking for? (being nvidia-glx) |
| 16:36.22 | abrotman | apt-cache |
| 16:36.24 | Salah | With gui Instllaer |
| 16:36.26 | abrotman | policy |
| 16:36.31 | Salah | installer ? |
| 16:36.36 | azeem | yes |
| 16:36.37 | abrotman | !d-i Salah |
| 16:36.37 | dpkg | Salah, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:36.38 | xand | Salah: there's a gui one and a text one |
| 16:36.42 | Amarande | dave_is_sexy, probably because terminal based apps don't require lots of time devoted to developing a GUI and making sure it works. |
| 16:36.51 | niles | i dont want to apt-get update my entire sources.list file. abrotman |
| 16:36.53 | Amarande | this time can instead be used for adding, for instance, features. :) |
| 16:36.56 | niles | im short on resources. |
| 16:37.00 | xingu | that, and they have an rss that fits into a cacheline |
| 16:37.09 | Salah | umm |
| 16:37.10 | Salah | ok |
| 16:37.17 | Sebboh | Amarande: I don't know about now, but for many years the linux TCP/IP stack was subpar. And running a production IRCD can be considered burn-in testing... =) |
| 16:37.20 | Salah | i really were Working With Redhat |
| 16:37.21 | jelly-home | Amarande: who said developing gui needs lots of time? |
| 16:37.36 | Salah | Debian Is Powerful Than Redhat ? |
| 16:37.36 | xand | Salah: when you boot from the cd, you have four options to choose; there's two GUI ones |
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| 16:37.55 | xand | Debian Is Much Better Than RedHat Could Ever Be |
| 16:38.00 | concept10 | Salah: no, Red Hat is the most powerful OS on the planet |
| 16:38.02 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: freebsd does and always did use its own libc |
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| 16:38.09 | Amarande | jelly-home, it still requires more time than a curses interface :) |
| 16:38.09 | xand | !slap concept10 |
| 16:38.18 | Salah | lol |
| 16:38.21 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: (you can have glibc if you need it with ports) |
| 16:38.32 | Amarande | ahh, I thought freebsd had gone full on glibc by now |
| 16:38.37 | Salah | concept10, Are You Sure ? |
| 16:38.48 | xingu | has the linux ip stack ever been sub-par? |
| 16:38.49 | abrotman | He Is Joking |
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| 16:38.56 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: why would it ? its under the gpl |
| 16:39.02 | Salah | loool |
| 16:39.06 | Salah | i know |
| 16:39.06 | Madd_Matt | How do you do the cool cube thing in beryl? |
| 16:39.07 | concept10 | Salah: I was just kidding. That question was vague. |
| 16:39.12 | Salah | i know |
| 16:39.14 | dave_is_sexy | well i guess terminal has some geek credit and retro value. i may as well learn mutt while i'm at it then ;-) |
| 16:39.16 | jelly-home | Amarande: well, I've done neither, so I can't really compare... do you have a reference about how hard it is to make eg. a Qt, vxwidgets, or GTK+ UI? |
| 16:39.17 | xingu | that's the one bit of it that's been consistantly industry beating |
| 16:39.23 | BUMBACL0T | hey, i accidentally deleted /var/log/auth.log and now it wont log |
| 16:39.31 | dave_is_sexy | any other awesome terminal aps i should get? |
| 16:39.36 | xand | dave_is_sexy: the best thing about that for irssi is that you can run it in screen and never have to disconnect from irc |
| 16:39.38 | Salah | := |
| 16:39.42 | xand | dave_is_sexy: vim |
| 16:39.42 | trpr | dave_is_sexy: tf is an awesome mush client |
| 16:39.45 | Salah | =) |
| 16:40.00 | xingu | nvi! |
| 16:40.03 | jelly-home | dave_is_sexy: mutt is a decent mail client |
| 16:40.06 | xingu | vim is for weenies |
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| 16:40.12 | dave_is_sexy | xand: yes i have vim. very nice |
| 16:40.22 | dave_is_sexy | trpr: what is mush? |
| 16:40.23 | xand | pine is nicer than mutt |
| 16:40.23 | concept10 | dave_is_sexy: All you ever need is mutt, zsh, vim and most |
| 16:40.26 | Vasistha | BUMBACL0T: how did you manage that? you probably shouldn't be dorking around and removing stuff as root |
| 16:40.27 | Salah | it is 25 ISO CD |
| 16:40.29 | Amarande | vim, it should come with a package called vigor :) |
| 16:40.45 | xingu | dave_is_sexy: give splitvt a go |
| 16:40.46 | Amarande | actually, that should be the next improvement over vim :) |
| 16:40.48 | kuba_ | how to set a QTDIR variable?? |
| 16:40.51 | trpr | dave_is_sexy: ah. nvm. then. i MU* all the time so its like essential software for me. MUD/MOO/MUX/MUSH.. surely you have heard of one of these ;) |
| 16:41.09 | Salah | 21 ab 1 Xfce and 1 kde 24 |
| 16:41.11 | dave_is_sexy | LOL |
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| 16:41.27 | cusco | BUMBACL0T: its writing to the inode not to the file, probably it will be ok after a reboot |
| 16:41.30 | Salah | where is Gnome |
| 16:41.36 | Amarande | and meanwhile the Wheel of Time fan in me wants someone to create some sort of AES based package called Sedai. :) |
| 16:41.37 | azeem | Salah: it's there. |
| 16:41.40 | xand | Salah: you dont need/want all the cds... use a netinstall |
| 16:41.44 | azeem | Salah: you don't need all of the 25 CDa |
| 16:41.45 | azeem | CDs* |
| 16:41.50 | Amarande | we're talking Linux here, where quirky names are the norm :) |
| 16:42.02 | concept10 | just use goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 16:42.24 | dave_is_sexy | and given that we just replaced... half my stuff, am i ok with gaim and seamonkey? |
| 16:42.34 | Amarande | speaking of Wheel of Time, time to go idle and read through A Crown of Swords till I have to go to work |
| 16:42.36 | BusMaster | hello. I need a software via which I can voice,video _and_ text chat with another person on a pc. normally I'd used yahoo messenger, but its linux version does not have webcam support. any ideas what I should use? |
| 16:42.36 | dave_is_sexy | (for www/compose) |
| 16:42.43 | Vasistha | Salah: you should probably just download the net install cd, assuming you are just going to install debian on one computer that has network access |
| 16:42.46 | xand | what's www/compose? |
| 16:43.00 | dave_is_sexy | busmaster: gnomemeeting / gaim-vv |
| 16:43.12 | xingu | BusMaster: ekiga? |
| 16:43.15 | dave_is_sexy | xand: brosing and making web pages |
| 16:43.32 | xand | dave_is_sexy: I haven't seen any program capable of doing that properly |
| 16:43.44 | xand | (they seem to lack scripting support) |
| 16:43.45 | abrotman | frontpage! |
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| 16:43.49 | Salah | i have alll the cds on my HD but i dont know how can i start |
| 16:43.49 | BusMaster | xingu: i have just tried out ekiga..however, despite googling around with the error for over an hour, I still get Registration failed: timeout :( |
| 16:44.00 | Salah | isos |
| 16:44.08 | Amarande | for web page making? I usually recommend amaya |
| 16:44.10 | BusMaster | dave_is_sexy: thanks I'll google for gaim-vv |
| 16:44.19 | xand | I recommend vim for web stuff ;) |
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| 16:44.28 | trpr | i must be one of the only people writing my markup in vi :\ |
| 16:44.34 | dave_is_sexy | xand: agreed. but seamonkey is the best i found. i just write what i want in source then use the preview tab. it's faster than a text editor + browser, since you don't haveto refresh |
| 16:44.51 | xand | dave_is_sexy: I tend to write stuff that needs a server to run on |
| 16:45.06 | xand | trpr: yeah, vi has no syntax highlighting so it's rubbish :p |
| 16:45.14 | Vasistha | Salah: you downloaded *all* the cd's? Well, that was kind of a waste. oh well. Are you going to burn them as well, or would you rather just do the install from the hard drive? |
| 16:45.17 | tonyb2006 | vim <_< |
| 16:45.22 | abrotman | xand: vim does |
| 16:45.22 | BusMaster | dave_is_sexy: err...gaim-vv seems to have dies two years ago |
| 16:45.31 | dave_is_sexy | trpr: at least aptitude install scite |
| 16:45.35 | tonyb2006 | yayvim |
| 16:45.36 | xand | abrotman: I was talking about vi |
| 16:45.43 | abrotman | xand: you mean nvi ? |
| 16:45.49 | xingu | the one true vi |
| 16:45.55 | xingu | vim is just some crappy pretender |
| 16:45.57 | xand | abrotman: I was talking about vi |
| 16:45.57 | abrotman | and now etch comes wtih vim-tiny .. not nvi |
| 16:46.02 | xingu | for people who need menus and windows |
| 16:46.04 | Salah | i want to install it form HD |
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| 16:46.07 | abrotman | there is no 'vi' in debian IIRC |
| 16:46.08 | Salah | what can i do |
| 16:46.08 | Salah | ? |
| 16:46.10 | dave_is_sexy | busmaster: yes it did. but there are versions available which work very well. not the latest mind. |
| 16:46.17 | azeem | xingu: this is off topic here |
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| 16:46.18 | Amarande | I use vim because it actually supports cursor keys |
| 16:46.27 | azeem | Salah: what desktop environment do you want to run? |
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| 16:46.36 | Amarande | when I tried the default vi, trying to cursor right in edit mode kept inserting capital C's in odd places |
| 16:46.45 | Salah | FC6,Gnome |
| 16:46.47 | dave_is_sexy | it's on my to do list, so i can;t tell you which version that is yet, but they have a forum archive, and newsgroup you could search with gmane.org |
| 16:46.51 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:46.53 | azeem | Salah: then burn the first ISO |
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| 16:46.59 | dave_is_sexy | busmaster: that was to you |
| 16:47.09 | abrotman | Salah: this channel is for Debian .. not Fedora |
| 16:47.11 | BusMaster | dave_is_sexy: yeah. i got that. thanks :) |
| 16:47.11 | Salah | ok |
| 16:47.15 | Salah | i know |
| 16:47.17 | Salah | sorry |
| 16:47.26 | Salah | i want to install Gnome |
| 16:47.32 | azeem | I told you |
| 16:47.33 | Salah | on debian etch 4 |
| 16:47.41 | trpr | eh. i see no reason to switch text editors. that said, I detest IDE's |
| 16:47.46 | Salah | sorry guys |
| 16:47.48 | Salah | loool |
| 16:47.57 | Amarande | I still think amaya is probably the best open source web editor for now |
| 16:47.57 | xand | let's talk about suse |
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| 16:48.08 | Salah | Debian Forever |
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| 16:48.28 | Salah | ;) |
| 16:48.35 | xingu | Amarande: is that stable yet? it's been a few years since I looked |
| 16:48.41 | alleyoopster | Amarande: try vim rather than vi |
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| 16:48.46 | Vasistha | !tell Salah about hd-media |
| 16:48.47 | Amarande | xingu, it's been stable for quite some time |
| 16:48.49 | dave_is_sexy | salah: are you sure? xfce is just like gnome, but way faster and with much nicer aps (thunar, orage) |
| 16:48.51 | Amarande | it's already up to 9.x, actually |
| 16:49.02 | hark | it's been removed from etch |
| 16:49.10 | concept10 | dave_is_sexy: You sir are correct. |
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| 16:49.17 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: please let people have their own opinion |
| 16:49.18 | xingu | Amarande: it wasn't in '02 :) |
| 16:49.24 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: try not to confuse the situation |
| 16:49.38 | Alarm | hello. does anyone know if tvtime supports infrared ? |
| 16:49.39 | Amarande | heck, 9.5x is even stable on Windows |
| 16:49.44 | Salah | dave_is_sexy, thnx dude i will try it |
| 16:49.46 | Amarande | well, to the extent that anything can be stable on Windows |
| 16:49.48 | dave_is_sexy | azeem: i was just saying. c'mon nobody likes nautilus |
| 16:49.55 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: uhm. |
| 16:50.00 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: i do .. you got a problem with that? |
| 16:50.06 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: this is a support channel, not the room for your personal agenda |
| 16:50.06 | dave_is_sexy | lol |
| 16:50.10 | concept10 | I use most xfce apps within my gnome desktop |
| 16:50.18 | Amarande | as once again I fail to remember the proper command to build a debian package after extracting the source deb ... |
| 16:50.28 | concept10 | including xfdesktop and thunar instead of that POS nautilus |
| 16:50.37 | Amarande | hmm, maybe it's still in my bash history |
| 16:50.44 | dave_is_sexy | well, i think suggesting a popular alternative is a good form of support |
| 16:50.48 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: if somebody asks for input for a decent DE feel free to voice your opinion but please let people make their own choices |
| 16:50.53 | Vasistha | Amarande: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:50.55 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: it's not, it's trolling |
| 16:51.10 | Vasistha | !start a desktop war |
| 16:51.10 | dpkg | KDE is better than GNOME, period. |
| 16:51.28 | Amarande | ahh yes, there we go |
| 16:51.34 | Salah | NO way Gnome |
| 16:51.34 | Amarande | I found it in my ~/.bash_history :) |
| 16:51.44 | dave_is_sexy | well, someone suggested it to me that way when i was asking baout gnome, cos i wanted a gtk desktop, and i'm very pleased they did |
| 16:51.56 | dave_is_sexy | lol. isn't dpkg a robot? how can it say that? |
| 16:51.59 | xand | xfce isn't very finished imo |
| 16:52.17 | eisen | dpkg is a robot with taste ;-) |
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| 16:52.27 | frankr | xfce > all |
| 16:52.30 | frankr | kthxbye |
| 16:52.31 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: that's fine, but as I said, please don't shove your prefence down somebody else's throat if you're not asked for your opinion |
| 16:52.32 | xand | eisen: yes, bad taste :P |
| 16:52.33 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: don't you also have crap hardware ? |
| 16:52.46 | Amarande | it's great that bash history sticks around across logins :) |
| 16:52.49 | concept10 | Truth is that alot of people like GTK, much more than the entire GNOME distrubution. Take a look at the embedded space. |
| 16:52.49 | frankr | and what kernel do I need for a celeron processor? |
| 16:53.04 | eisen | i686 |
| 16:53.05 | azeem | concept10: and that discussion is off-topic here as well |
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| 16:53.19 | dave_is_sexy | xand: depends how you look at it. the desktop, filemanager and calendar are. if you add gqview and catfish (aptitude install) you have everything. |
| 16:53.29 | Jester45 | how can i reset a password i think i mis typed it when installing |
| 16:53.30 | dave_is_sexy | abrotman: lol. it's not crap, it's just low on ram |
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| 16:53.43 | concept10 | I just really want to know why etch was released with 2.14 |
| 16:53.46 | Amarande | and I have no bloody flaming idea how to convert a wm theme to gtk |
| 16:53.51 | Vasistha | dave_is_sexy: dpkg is a bot. it responded to my saying "!start a desktop war". it's meant as a joke, to discourage people from participating in desktop wars. |
| 16:54.00 | alleyoopster | Jester45: is this your root password or user? |
| 16:54.03 | Amarande | concept10, the newest version isn't always best :) |
| 16:54.04 | Jester45 | root's |
| 16:54.21 | xand | !reset root password |
| 16:54.22 | alleyoopster | Jester45: oh |
| 16:54.24 | xand | bah |
| 16:54.32 | dave_is_sexy | anyway i have to go. keep suggesting applications i might not have ;-) |
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| 16:54.35 | Jester45 | sorry i was going to say that but it tried to guess the pass with all caps |
| 16:54.38 | mardam3 | Hi. if a tasksel download was interrupted due to a power cut, and now tasksel reports "aptitude failure (255)" do I have reinstall my system ? |
| 16:54.50 | concept10 | Amarande: There wasnt too much change from 2.16 to .18 but 2.16 is nice |
| 16:54.55 | abrotman | dave_is_sexy: and i think that's why it was suggested to you |
| 16:55.23 | Amarande | ok, time to run something CPU heavy |
| 16:55.24 | Vasistha | mardam3: sounds like an aptitude -f might be in order, and probably an fsck as well |
| 16:55.32 | xand | I want gnome 2.18 as gnome-terminal gets 256 color support |
| 16:55.33 | Amarande | it seems that make on amays isn't enough to trigger my 4200+ to upclock |
| 16:55.40 | mardam3 | Vasistha: ok thanks i'll check 'em out |
| 16:55.46 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.48 | Amarande | even though the load is above 1 |
| 16:56.10 | concept10 | Amarande: I have some jobs I could send you way :) |
| 16:56.41 | jelly-home | xand: does _any_ app use those 256 colors? |
| 16:56.48 | xand | jelly-home: vim does |
| 16:57.05 | jelly-home | ah |
| 16:57.09 | xand | I wish irssi did |
| 16:57.15 | h3sp4wn | xterm and urxvt both have 256 colour support |
| 16:57.20 | xand | could do with a bigger range for nickcolor |
| 16:57.21 | Vasistha | a terminal with 256 colors? finally! niiiice. |
| 16:57.30 | hark | urxvt has 88 i believe |
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| 16:57.43 | xand | h3sp4wn: I prefer gnome-terminal in other respects though |
| 16:57.51 | xand | and yes, urxvt has 88 or so |
| 16:57.51 | mardam3 | Vasistha: I'm sorry what was the other thing you suggested ? |
| 16:57.59 | Vasistha | if only we could get 256 colors in textmode :P |
| 16:58.01 | h3sp4wn | hark: that is right (haven't used it for a while) |
| 16:58.07 | h3sp4wn | I just prefer xterm |
| 16:58.11 | Vasistha | mardam3: fsck? check your filesystem for corruption? |
| 16:58.13 | hark | screen supports 256 colors as well |
| 16:58.20 | mardam3 | Vasistha: cool. thanks |
| 16:58.25 | Jester45 | h3sp4wn: i didnt think i would see you here |
| 16:58.34 | xand | hmm, new version of irssi... wonder how long before it makes it to debian |
| 16:59.21 | concept10 | I know alot of you guys use irssi... is there a way to have it notify the panel when someone msgs you? |
| 16:59.44 | alleyoopster | concept10: my panel changes the number to red |
| 16:59.57 | xand | concept10: it does by default |
| 17:00.05 | xand | if you mean what alleyoopster said |
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| 17:00.33 | concept10 | I mean flash the gnome panel like xchat does |
| 17:00.50 | xand | concept10: not without some external program |
| 17:00.52 | abrotman | irssi is not a gnome app |
| 17:00.53 | Vasistha | I think concept10 is referring to, e.g., the gnome or kde panel? The only way I can think to do that would be to run a script to detect what terminal irssi is running on. tricky shit. |
| 17:01.07 | azeem | xand: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~lewk/code/notify.pl |
| 17:01.12 | azeem | try that (I didn't) |
| 17:01.15 | massaki | hello, im trying to run my logitech qcam, but i cant load the spca5xx module .. |
| 17:01.17 | azeem | s/xand/concept10/ |
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| 17:01.34 | azeem | massaki: explain how you cannot load it |
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| 17:01.40 | jelly-home | Vasistha: or some dbus message passing thingy |
| 17:01.47 | itchi | RA3OR: I'm back, got it already fixed? |
| 17:01.50 | alleyoopster | concept10 :there is probably some script to run a command, check out the website |
| 17:01.57 | massaki | azeem, its say the module do not exist |
| 17:02.07 | massaki | Zeit|idle, not found |
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| 17:02.27 | concept10 | thanks azeem, alleyoopster |
| 17:02.42 | azeem | massaki: why do you think you need to run that module? |
| 17:02.43 | concept10 | that looks like it may do the trick |
| 17:02.48 | kth` | Can someone guestimate the size of lenny i386 repository? Or are these statistics available somewhere? |
| 17:03.18 | Vasistha | kth`: it's probably approximately the same size as etch, about 3 dvd's worth |
| 17:03.18 | wols | kth`: there is a factoid which deals with that |
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| 17:03.56 | massaki | azeem, well, im not sure if spca5xx is the correct module, i was just trying it .! lol .. |
| 17:04.06 | alleyoopster | concept10: or try #irssi |
| 17:04.14 | timomaas | hi |
| 17:04.19 | timomaas | xdm error pid 2561 only can run xdm in non-debug mode;exiting |
| 17:04.22 | kth` | wols; Can you give a hint on how to get to that factoid? |
| 17:04.23 | hark | !dstats lenny |
| 17:04.23 | timomaas | can help me? |
| 17:04.30 | concept10 | azeem: where did you find that script? (what linked you to that) |
| 17:04.33 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19515 packages, 1785 maintainers, 44351 MB installed size, 14930 MB compressed size. |
| 17:04.45 | Vasistha | timomaas: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 17:04.55 | foo | xingu: Still around? |
| 17:04.55 | timomaas | kanotix |
| 17:05.00 | Vasistha | !kanotix |
| 17:05.00 | dpkg | hmm... kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 17:05.17 | kth` | Thanks hark |
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| 17:05.32 | xingu | foo: ja |
| 17:05.35 | massaki | azeem, i tried the qcam too, but i couldt load it .. |
| 17:06.10 | hark | kth`: you can do an apt-cache stats as well :) |
| 17:06.11 | foo | xingu: Still waiting on the data center to take this down. In the meantime, you think I should show the guy who made this kernel these errors? Or should I just wait until the box comes up? |
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| 17:07.27 | xingu | foo: just wait for what happens during reboot |
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| 17:07.52 | concept10 | Say for example I add new hardware this box im working on. What tells the kernel to load a module associated with this added hardware? Im assuming discover or another init script..but I could be wrong |
| 17:07.57 | azeem | concept10: "irssi notify" on google |
| 17:08.08 | foo | xingu: Alrighty :) Thanks |
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| 17:08.30 | Amarande | concept10, usually the debian init scripts will try to modprobe for pretty much everything |
| 17:08.40 | Vasistha | concept10: probably udev, nowadays |
| 17:08.45 | Jester45 | you know what weird |
| 17:08.57 | concept10 | azeem: Thanks. Im glad to see google working this morning :) |
| 17:09.02 | Jester45 | i used the same pass as the user and i have allways used the same one |
| 17:09.06 | Amarande | if you need to force a module to load on boot, you put it in /etc/modules, but you very rarely need to do that |
| 17:09.10 | Jester45 | i dont see how ot typed it wrong twice |
| 17:09.19 | Amarande | the nvidia non-free driver needs it, that's the only one I can think of offhand that needs that though |
| 17:09.58 | kth` | hark; Hmm.... I can't see much about repository sizes in `apt-cache stats`, am I doing something wrong? Also, is it possible to sharpen the !dstats to a certain architecture too? |
| 17:10.00 | concept10 | Im not talking about forcing modules, im thinking more along the lines of detect and modprobe |
| 17:10.03 | h3sp4wn | concept10: udev and the kernel module autoloader |
| 17:11.07 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 17:12.37 | hark | kth`: ah well, maybe not :) |
| 17:13.22 | alleyoopster | Jester45: keymaps? |
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| 17:14.34 | alleyoopster | Jester45: just a thought, if the keyboard is not mapping correctly, try typing the password in a terminal window, see if it is as it should be |
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| 17:15.31 | concept10 | I wish there was one place where everyone explained kernel options in detail |
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| 17:16.00 | abrotman | !tell MrWup about root |
| 17:16.07 | abrotman | concept10: ask the LKML if there is one |
| 17:16.13 | h3sp4wn | concept10: /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 17:17.29 | concept10 | I found this a while back: http://kernel.xc.net/ |
| 17:17.31 | frankr | I'm trying to get internet on a fugitsu stylistic c-500, its an older tablet pc - I'm using a generic usb ethernet adapter and whne I plut it in it seems as if its detected it however it still doesn't have net |
| 17:17.47 | frankr | debian sarge off netinst CD minimal base system |
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| 17:18.20 | azeem | frankr: what does "/sbin/ifconfig eth0" say? |
| 17:18.26 | Jester45 | cant login on terminal |
| 17:18.30 | Vasistha | frankr: or, just /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 17:18.43 | xand | Vasistha: that's less useful |
| 17:18.53 | xand | I'd say ifconfig -a :) |
| 17:18.55 | frankr | azeem, ifconfig only returns the loopback device |
| 17:19.09 | xand | frankr: what kernel are you running? |
| 17:19.11 | Vasistha | xand: depends whether his adapter is actually using eth0. |
| 17:19.25 | azeem | frankr: so why do you think it is detected? |
| 17:19.33 | xand | Vasistha: if it's not, and it's not enabled, ifconfig on it's own won't list it |
| 17:19.33 | \amethyst | frankr: Do you have anything about it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 17:20.05 | xand | frankr: what does ifconfig -a give? does that list any ethX devices? |
| 17:21.02 | frankr | azeem, because when I plug it in I see some stuff - usb 1-1: new full speed usb device using uhci_hcd and address 5 usb 1-1: device descriptor some crap at the end it says pegasus 1-1:1.0: eth0, USB 10/100 Ethernet Adapter, mac adress |
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| 17:21.24 | frankr | xand, it shows eth3 and eth4 both not connected |
| 17:21.44 | xand | frankr: that dmesg stuff there implies it's eth0 |
| 17:21.44 | frankr | xand, running 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:21.53 | frankr | exactly |
| 17:21.56 | xand | frankr: are you sure you're using sarge? |
| 17:21.59 | \amethyst | frankr: The ifconfig output doesn't have an entry for the pegasus card? |
| 17:22.08 | frankr | xand, preetty sure, it might be testing actually |
| 17:22.22 | azeem | or stable |
| 17:22.24 | Asad2005 | how do i enable access to cups server from LAN, 192.168.2.100:631 cannot establish connection |
| 17:22.25 | xand | frankr: erm... 2.6.18 isn't in sarge, and sarge is certainly not testing |
| 17:22.25 | frankr | debian-40r0-i386-netinst was what it was installed off of |
| 17:22.30 | frankr | \amethyst, no :| |
| 17:22.36 | xand | frankr: that's etch |
| 17:22.37 | azeem | frankr: that's etch |
| 17:22.42 | frankr | ahh hahah |
| 17:22.42 | frankr | sorry |
| 17:22.44 | frankr | etch then |
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| 17:23.21 | frankr | the adapter has the lights flashing indicating it has a connection.. |
| 17:23.32 | \amethyst | frankr: when you type ifconfig eth0 does it say anything? |
| 17:23.42 | azeem | \amethyst: we established that already |
| 17:23.54 | \amethyst | azeem: "Device not found"? |
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| 17:24.48 | frankr | Well I just edited /etc/network/interfaces I think the probablem was it was looking for eth2 |
| 17:24.52 | xand | well... "ifconfig" will return only lo if eth0 isn't configured |
| 17:25.03 | \amethyst | xand: he later ran ifconfig -a |
| 17:25.08 | xand | I see |
| 17:25.09 | frankr | b/c on the machine I installed it on it was called eth2 |
| 17:25.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I have enabled esd, but gnome sounds are a little noisy, why? |
| 17:25.31 | frankr | No, still not working :| |
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| 17:25.52 | \amethyst | frankr: Can you put the relevant part of your dmesg output in a pastebin? |
| 17:26.02 | Amarande | strange, my eth0 has allow-hotplug for some reason :) |
| 17:26.21 | Amarande | gonzaloaf_laptop, "noisy"? |
| 17:26.44 | frankr | \amethyst, no, the tablet doesn't have connections to anything |
| 17:26.57 | frankr | I can type it tho |
| 17:27.04 | frankr | most of it :P |
| 17:27.21 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Amarande, mmm I mean the sounds doesnt sound like my desktop... are like robotized |
| 17:27.33 | \amethyst | hm... |
| 17:27.41 | \amethyst | what is this eth3 and eth4? |
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| 17:28.41 | xand | Amarande: that's a new "feature" in etch |
| 17:28.42 | frankr | \amethyst, well the docking station has an ethernet adapter, I assumed it wasn't working and the unit itself has a modem but that wouldn't show up as an eth - other then that no clue |
| 17:29.11 | \amethyst | frankr: are either of those MAC addresses the same as what dmesg reported? |
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| 17:29.46 | Amarande | xand, I guess I just can't imagine ever wanting to hotplug a PCI card :) |
| 17:29.49 | nzk | how do i use screen |
| 17:29.53 | Amarande | even though apparently this is supported by the PCI bus spec |
| 17:29.56 | frankr | \amethyst, yes actually.. eth4 |
| 17:29.58 | azeem | nzk: read its manual |
| 17:30.03 | xand | Amarande: indeed, I tend to remove that crap from my interfaces file |
| 17:30.17 | azeem | frankr: so configure that |
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| 17:30.41 | azeem | Amarande: you might want to hotplug an ethernet cable though |
| 17:30.52 | Alarm | hello, i ave put this entry in my sources.list file: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main, and when i update , i get this error W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:30.55 | Alarm | how can this be fixed ? |
| 17:31.01 | xand | azeem: but why would that need hotplug support? |
| 17:31.14 | azeem | xand: I don't think this is the hotplug you're thinking about |
| 17:31.31 | xand | azeem: what does the hotplug stuff in interfaces do then? |
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| 17:31.44 | kth` | Afaik allow-hotplug in debian interfaces allows you to trigger `ifup interfacename` when the nic gets link |
| 17:32.06 | xand | I see... don't really see the point |
| 17:32.15 | xand | well, I suppose there might be one but I don't care for it |
| 17:32.27 | frankr | yeah it works now, thanks for your help guys |
| 17:32.29 | kth` | It's very handy for laptops |
| 17:32.46 | azeem | xand: it might make sense to not run ifup on bootup because the cable might not yet be plugged in or something |
| 17:33.00 | azeem | xand: which is pretty common for notebooks, e.g. |
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| 17:33.13 | xand | azeem: what is the benefit? |
| 17:33.14 | Vasistha | Alarm: you can install the debian multimedia apt key ... there's actually a package for it |
| 17:33.19 | xand | not waiting for dhcp? |
| 17:33.21 | Amarande | ok, why does it say I didn't give the right password to sudo when I typed the root password perfectly? |
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| 17:33.30 | azeem | xand: but I admit I don't know exactly what it's for either |
| 17:33.35 | Alarm | Vasistha, could u be more specific please ? |
| 17:33.39 | azeem | Amarande: sudo takes the user password |
| 17:33.41 | azeem | not root's |
| 17:33.41 | xand | Amarande: because sudo is a silly program that doesn't use your root password |
| 17:34.07 | alleyoopster | Alarm: Install the debian-multimedia-keyring package. |
| 17:34.18 | xand | debian on my laptop is happy if network cable isn't plugged in at boot, without that hotplug stuff, so shrug |
| 17:34.27 | Alarm | and then simply update again ? |
| 17:34.40 | Vasistha | Alarm: install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 17:34.46 | Alarm | i did |
| 17:34.58 | Vasistha | Alarm: yeah, try the update again, it shouldn't give you a warning anymore |
| 17:35.37 | Alarm | now i get for that also: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY D5642BC86823D007 |
| 17:35.47 | simonrvn | Alarm: /topic |
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| 17:35.57 | Alarm | simmerz, i am not flooding |
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| 17:36.08 | Alarm | do u see more than 2-3 lines in a row ? |
| 17:36.09 | Ronin | Alarm: the other part of the topic |
| 17:36.16 | cusco | lol |
| 17:36.29 | Vasistha | Alarm: erm, he's referring to this part: "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" |
| 17:36.36 | cusco | !tell Alarm about no public key |
| 17:36.51 | Alarm | whichdidnt see that part really |
| 17:36.53 | Alarm | sorry |
| 17:36.57 | simonrvn | Alarm: see that site for the key, they have it there |
| 17:36.58 | Alarm | thanks |
| 17:37.02 | massaki | how can i see what availble modules my kernel have ? |
| 17:37.18 | cusco | modprobe -l |
| 17:37.21 | sewi | hello, why transfer from and to a usb (2.0) memory stick on debian is slower than on windows? any idea? |
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| 17:37.29 | massaki | cusco, thx |
| 17:37.39 | Amarande | hmm |
| 17:37.40 | cusco | y welcome ;)# |
| 17:37.45 | pipeline | sewi: It's not. It's all in your head :D |
| 17:37.48 | Amarande | "n Ubuntu the maintainers modified NM to not manage devices that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces." Is this true of etch as well? |
| 17:37.55 | Vasistha | sewi: are you using the same computer and usb port? |
| 17:38.06 | Vasistha | Amarande: yes |
| 17:38.14 | sewi | Vasistha: yes the same |
| 17:38.18 | Amarande | ahh, is *that* why the gnome systray says I have no connection? |
| 17:38.26 | Vasistha | Amarande: probably so, yeah |
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| 17:38.58 | Amarande | which probably means that techinically, Ubuntu didn't do it, we of Debian did. :) |
| 17:39.16 | Amarande | of course, I run etch, but googling to diagnose that niggling issue came up someone with the same problem on ubuntu. |
| 17:40.14 | hark | you could have also just read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 17:40.33 | Amarande | hark, I suppose I would have, if I had known precisely which program was associated with that icon :) |
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| 17:41.54 | Alarm | for some reason with messeging dpkg 2006 key i dont get the whole messege , i get till: "sudo apt-key add -" somethings missing. with etch key , it doesnt tell me something i havent done yet |
| 17:42.07 | Amarande | hmm, so I'm assuming that as long as I want a static LAN IP, I'm going to have that silly icon telling me I have no net connection. :) |
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| 17:42.31 | hark | that's the 2006 key... install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:42.40 | azeem | Alarm: no, that's the end anyway |
| 17:42.47 | Alarm | well i still get the same error messege |
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| 17:42.58 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: technically it was done by the gnome maintainer (who is the same for ubuntu and debian) |
| 17:43.04 | RA3OR | itchi: yes |
| 17:43.05 | hark | because that's debian-unofficial.org ;) |
| 17:43.06 | Alarm | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: The following signat... |
| 17:43.09 | itchi | Alarm: the '-' perturbe you it looks :-) |
| 17:43.23 | hark | Alarm: check the site itself for the key |
| 17:43.29 | itchi | RA3OR: Good! :-) |
| 17:43.31 | Alarm | and did the steps as followed in the private msg |
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| 17:43.47 | dubphil | Hello, I have an Etch vve an audio multimedia chipset VT8233 that use snd-82xx, the sound is working, but everytime I play a sound I have some regular skipping of the sound, any idea whats going wrong ? |
| 17:43.53 | Alarm | okie :) |
| 17:43.54 | panthera | Alarm: ignore it, for the moment. |
| 17:44.15 | Vasistha | !tell Alarm about secure apt |
| 17:44.17 | Amarande | anyway, I'm supposing I'm wondering what I need to do to have a static LAN IP *and* have the icon behave properly. |
| 17:44.44 | Alarm | lets read this one |
| 17:44.46 | panthera | Alarm: the repository is not yet ready, but will be soon. |
| 17:44.48 | hark | NM and static ip's are tricky afaik |
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| 17:45.05 | Alarm | oh ok :) |
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| 17:45.13 | Amarande | hmm, I'm supposing that pulling nm from sid sources and rebuilding won't do. |
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| 17:45.27 | Alarm | good, thank you for ur attention |
| 17:45.50 | xand | I used network-manager once, and never again |
| 17:46.25 | xand | somehow it changed eth1 from being my wireless card to a second "virtual" interface that got an IP on the ethernet LAN |
| 17:46.27 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 17:46.37 | xand | so I had two IPs on the network through one cable |
| 17:46.43 | Salah | debian is sooo faster thn redhat on my laptop |
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| 17:46.49 | Salah | it is amazing |
| 17:46.54 | xand | redhat sucks ;) |
| 17:46.56 | andrago | hi |
| 17:47.04 | Salah | yeah i agree man |
| 17:47.04 | alleyoopster | Salah: you should be a salesman |
| 17:47.12 | Salah | no |
| 17:47.28 | massaki | im trying to run my logitech webcam with amsn, i have the c qcam, bw cam modules loaded, but still cant use my webcam |
| 17:47.29 | Salah | loool |
| 17:47.47 | simmerz | Alarm: any particular reason you thought I had said /topic to you where it was simonrvn? |
| 17:47.47 | Salah | alleyoopster, why :) |
| 17:47.50 | alleyoopster | Salah: ah excepts its free, never get rich |
| 17:48.04 | simonrvn | simmerz: bad tab complete i think |
| 17:48.07 | Vasistha | simmerz: I'm guessing bad tab completion, I've been seeing a whole lot of that lately |
| 17:48.21 | wols | Vasistha: lies. all lies :) |
| 17:48.32 | Salah | alleyoopster, i`m redhat fan but i dont think that anymore |
| 17:48.59 | Salah | Debian is soo much faster |
| 17:49.00 | simmerz | fair enough. seems to happen to me quite regularly. end up with konversation blinking away at me! |
| 17:49.01 | alleyoopster | Salah: i find debian fast on my laptop, I was quite surprised |
| 17:49.13 | itchi | massaki: Get you your cam working with other apps? |
| 17:49.13 | Vasistha | wols: heh, that would have been priceless if you had directed it to valdy* ot VaLoui* |
| 17:49.19 | Salah | me too |
| 17:49.38 | Salah | redhat was toooooooooo slowlly on it |
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| 17:50.10 | Salah | alleyoopster, anyway now i`m not using redhat anymore |
| 17:50.39 | Salah | form now and forever Debian |
| 17:50.45 | alleyoopster | Salah: tried it once 3 years ago for 4 hours never tried again |
| 17:50.46 | xand | good |
| 17:50.55 | Salah | loool |
| 17:51.13 | Salah | alleyoopster, when you started to use debian ? |
| 17:51.17 | andrago | I just installed debian without any package selection in the installation, after that I installed ssh. How can I be sure that it starts any time with the os? |
| 17:51.19 | andrago | thx |
| 17:51.24 | cusco | alleyoopster: what debian? |
| 17:51.29 | xand | andrago: it will. |
| 17:51.32 | Vasistha | andrago: ssh, or sshd? |
| 17:51.37 | andrago | sshd |
| 17:51.40 | valdyn | andrago: that is the default |
| 17:51.42 | xand | andrago: it will |
| 17:51.47 | andrago | ok, thx |
| 17:51.50 | frankr | I just installed X with apt-get install xserver-xorg on a tablet pc with just a base system and it can't start b/c unable to find default font |
| 17:51.57 | frankr | where's the default font fixed factoid? |
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| 17:52.04 | xand | andrago: I think all "services" you install will start at boot by default |
| 17:52.13 | valdyn | frankr: that wasnt X, that was only an X server |
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| 17:52.19 | alleyoopster | Salah: no, i left linux for a year and then got back into suse of all things and Xandros for a coulple of weeks |
| 17:52.24 | andrago | ok, and where can I check that? |
| 17:52.29 | valdyn | frankr: "apt-get install xorg" would get X |
| 17:52.30 | hark | andrago: you can check the boot scripts if you want |
| 17:52.40 | frankr | valdyn, well I feel pretty stupid |
| 17:52.41 | andrago | ok |
| 17:52.41 | frankr | thanks |
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| 17:52.50 | Salah | why dude ? |
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| 17:53.12 | Salah | Suse SUCKS |
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| 17:53.21 | Salah | I DONT LIKE IT |
| 17:53.26 | azeem | Salah: this is off topic here |
| 17:53.26 | xand | andrago: unless it's not working, don't worry about it |
| 17:53.32 | Salah | loool |
| 17:53.39 | andrago | ok, only want to be sure, |
| 17:53.41 | Salah | azeem ok |
| 17:53.45 | xand | yeah, go tell #suse how much it sucks :) |
| 17:53.47 | itchi | Salah: And fix your caps, you lol things and such! |
| 17:53.59 | Vasistha | !lol |
| 17:53.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:54.16 | xand | Vasistha: but what if you said "lol" IRL instead of laughing? |
| 17:54.22 | xand | s/said/say/ |
| 17:54.28 | Amarande | xand, I've heard my brother do that :P |
| 17:54.48 | sepski | xand, i do that... |
| 17:54.49 | Vasistha | IRL: in real life |
| 17:54.58 | Vasistha | wow, that would be absurd |
| 17:55.03 | Salah | itchi, i dont care |
| 17:55.04 | xand | Vasistha: but it happens |
| 17:55.07 | grendal_prime | ok im seing this thing that looks like a spyware message on my linux box. |
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| 17:55.11 | sepski | damaged from irc. been ircing for |
| 17:55.13 | grendal_prime | Open Internet Explorer and type: www.registrycleanerxp.com |
| 17:55.20 | simonrvn | i see people doing 'lawl' or 'lawls' ... |
| 17:55.21 | xand | grendal_prime: seeing it where? |
| 17:55.25 | Amarande | grendal_prime, popup ad? |
| 17:55.41 | sandman | Is there a default password for mysql? |
| 17:55.42 | Vasistha | xand: sadly, I'm afraid that is so. And, in real life, I have heard of high school students submitting essays that included words like 'u' |
| 17:55.45 | Amarande | popup ads are javascript based generally, they get everywhere |
| 17:55.48 | itchi | Salah: I dont care about you |
| 17:55.48 | grendal_prime | all the boxes on the inside of this network are linux boxes |
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| 17:55.57 | sepski | lol was veeery common on [ef|irc]net |
| 17:56.02 | grendal_prime | that was from a ethernet scan |
| 17:56.02 | simonrvn | sandman: no |
| 17:56.06 | grendal_prime | sorry ettercap |
| 17:56.08 | xand | Vasistha: I wasn't aware of such a word ;) |
| 17:56.11 | Amarande | we use lol all the time at Tar Valon |
| 17:56.21 | Vasistha | xand: yeah, I should have said "non-words" |
| 17:56.25 | grendal_prime | so its an add that is going accross..hmm i guess that makes sence |
| 17:56.27 | Salah | itchi, ok |
| 17:56.33 | sandman | Well, I'm trying to use phpmyadmin |
| 17:56.34 | simonrvn | 'sense' |
| 17:56.37 | Salah | itchi, good |
| 17:56.39 | Vasistha | sandman: #mysql should be able to help you; password help might even by in their /topic |
| 17:56.40 | xand | Vasistha: that's from texting though, not irc |
| 17:56.41 | sandman | And it needs a password for admin |
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| 17:56.49 | xand | well, maybe. |
| 17:56.51 | Amarande | actually simon and grendal, it's more intended to make cents |
| 17:56.52 | Amarande | lol |
| 17:56.56 | xand | there is no reason to use such "words" on irc |
| 17:57.07 | simonrvn | sandman: it would have the root password you gave it when you installed the mysqld |
| 17:57.11 | xand | unless perhaps you're using it on your phone |
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| 17:57.30 | xand | sandman: try a blank one... otherwise you can reset it by following instructions on the mysql website |
| 17:57.52 | Amarande | anyway, it's not a good idea to obsess over grammar in chat :) |
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| 17:58.08 | Amarande | let's save that for the command line :) |
| 17:58.19 | xand | programming |
| 17:58.22 | xand | and yes, that |
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| 18:01.00 | tyler_ | hi, got some problem here, my giFT daemon does not work... how do i rectify it? |
| 18:01.13 | Vasistha | tyler_: is your firewall open for it? |
| 18:01.45 | tyler_ | Vasistha, how do i check if i have a firewall... it use to just work.. now it doesnt... |
| 18:02.07 | xand | !doesn't work |
| 18:02.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:03.13 | xand | tyler_: ask in the right channel |
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| 18:04.27 | almost\silent | Hey, I am trying to apt-get upgrade, but I don't have enough disk space. Is there a way to remove old packages/files I don't need on order to free up some space? |
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| 18:04.54 | dvs | almost\silent: apt-get autoclean |
| 18:04.58 | Jester45 | apt-get clean |
| 18:05.02 | almost\silent | thanks, I'll try it out |
| 18:05.33 | almost\silent | oh wow |
| 18:05.53 | almost\silent | freed up like 50mb |
| 18:05.55 | almost\silent | thanks |
| 18:06.10 | dvs | no prob |
| 18:06.21 | Amarande | Packages go in /var, right? |
| 18:06.28 | dvs | yup |
| 18:06.36 | Amarande | ahh, doubt that will happen to me |
| 18:06.39 | Amarande | I have like 37G in /var |
| 18:06.43 | Vasistha | Amarande: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:07.17 | almost\silent | does upgrade auto-update the kernel or do I have to separately install the image? |
| 18:07.32 | dvs | almost\silent: you must do that separately |
| 18:07.35 | almost\silent | k |
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| 18:07.52 | Vasistha | !wayttd almost\silent |
| 18:07.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, almost\silent? |
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| 18:08.13 | Jester45 | would it be posible to mount /var/cache/apt/archives on a ftp so you could have a local repo of used packages |
| 18:09.24 | almost\silent | Vasistha, I'm just playing around with updates, I upgraded to the 2.6 kernel and now I'm upgrading packages |
| 18:09.27 | dubphil | what the hall cann do sound skipping every time even when the cpu is not overloaded ? |
| 18:09.34 | Vasistha | Jester45: well, I set up a trivial repository in my /var/cache/apt/archives, and share it with apache, thus conserving bandwidth ... it works great. Is that the kinda thing you're looking for? |
| 18:09.48 | Vasistha | dubphil: increase your buffer |
| 18:09.54 | Jester45 | pretty much |
| 18:10.00 | dvs | almost\silent: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 18:10.02 | enouf | h3sp4wn: btw .. here's another thing i found i can't do using sudo -> echo "50" > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio .. (tried many forms , sudo -i, sudo su, sudo -c sh, etc) |
| 18:10.03 | Jester45 | i never tought of that |
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| 18:10.30 | dubphil | Vasistha: where must I look to increase my buffer ? |
| 18:10.30 | Jester45 | it would help lots on upgrades |
| 18:10.35 | itchi | Jester45: You probably want apt-proxy |
| 18:10.37 | almost\silent | sarge methinks |
| 18:10.50 | almost\silent | don't remember, installed it a while ago |
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| 18:10.57 | dvs | almost\silent: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:11.02 | Vasistha | Jester45: I'll pastebin the script that I use, if you like |
| 18:11.18 | itchi | Vasistha: Even tried apt-proxy? |
| 18:11.22 | Vasistha | dubphil: dunno. depends on your sound configuration. |
| 18:11.22 | almost\silent | 3.1 |
| 18:11.31 | dvs | that's sarge |
| 18:11.48 | Vasistha | itchi: I tried to set it up, but I ultimately decided that it wasn't suitble for my configuration. |
| 18:11.49 | Jester45 | well i only would use it on 6 computers so it doesnt need to be that fancy and i would like to use ftp becuase my file server is slow and keeping processes down is help full |
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| 18:12.19 | itchi | Vasistha: I think you want apt-proxy, cause you do the same things what somethings automated does |
| 18:12.24 | Jester45 | Vasistha: its ok |
| 18:12.28 | almost\silent | I'll be getting the latest distro once I get my new hard drive, don't want to risk running 4 80gb hard disks w/ lvm for too much longer |
| 18:12.37 | Vasistha | almost\silent: does your sources.list say sarge or stable? Because if it says stable, you're treading shaky ground |
| 18:12.43 | valdyn | Jester45: 'approx' is neat for this |
| 18:12.54 | almost\silent | one sec |
| 18:13.14 | Vasistha | itchi: well, I'm pretty sure that I don't want apt-proxy, but it may be that everyone else does ;) |
| 18:14.01 | itchi | Vasistha: There are diff tools like apt-proxy like valdyn told. I use here apt-proxy |
| 18:14.14 | almost\silent | 2 sources are stable, one is main |
| 18:14.34 | simonrvn | er, no |
| 18:14.44 | almost\silent | would stable be getting packages that may not run on 3.1? |
| 18:14.45 | Vasistha | almost\silent: if you don't want to be mixing sarge and etch packages, you should change instances of "stable" to "sarge" in your sources.list |
| 18:14.49 | h3sp4wn | enouf: only the sudo su root -c 'echo 50 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio' (that stupid way works that I know) if I need to do that I just use sudo -i and get a shell |
| 18:14.52 | almost\silent | hmm |
| 18:14.54 | itchi | Vasistha: Anyway, if you want to 'share' your debs to you network, it will be much easier to let it automated. Not everytime copy the .debs to you '.deb' ftp server |
| 18:14.57 | Jester45 | couldnt i just mount my ftp's archive folder to my other machines folder |
| 18:15.05 | Vasistha | almost\silent: hopefully you have not already run an apt update and upgrade :P |
| 18:15.12 | almost\silent | I have! |
| 18:15.12 | almost\silent | :D |
| 18:15.13 | dvs | almost\silent: so the new packages you were getting were from etch (4.0) |
| 18:15.20 | simonrvn | almost\silent: main isn't a source, it's an indicator of where in that one source the packages are coming from |
| 18:15.30 | almost\silent | it hasnt crashed yet though :S |
| 18:15.34 | almost\silent | I'll give it time |
| 18:15.44 | itchi | Jester45: Yes you can do, but there are tools especially made for this purpose |
| 18:15.49 | almost\silent | ok, thanks for the info simon |
| 18:16.31 | Jester45 | itchi: woudlnt apt look in the folder when im needing the package and the machines woudlnt really have the debs on tehm saving a little space |
| 18:16.45 | almost\silent | The OS can be replaced easily though, so I'm not too worried. It's only a file server with separate partitions for the shared files... takes ~30 mins to set up a new install |
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| 18:16.55 | itchi | Jester45: Take a look to i.e. apt-proxy |
| 18:17.01 | Vasistha | itchi: that makes a lot of sense for *most* networks. But I don't have a server which is always on. I have a primary machine, and if *that* machine has downloaded a package, I'd like to make it available to others, without requiring that those others interface with that primary machine -- because it might be offline. So, my little script + apache works for me |
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| 18:17.44 | Jester45 | well i got 24/7 machines |
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| 18:18.03 | Vasistha | Jester45: apt-proxy makes a lot of sense for you, then |
| 18:18.04 | Jester45 | plus im not worried if my machine is outdated by a few days |
| 18:18.15 | almost\silent | what is the difference between etch and sarge with 2.6? |
| 18:18.20 | Jester45 | i will look into it |
| 18:18.27 | Vasistha | almost\silent: sarge: 2.6.8, etch: 2.6.18 |
| 18:18.31 | jzxu | does anyone else run into that openoffice Floating point exception on start-up? |
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| 18:18.39 | itchi | Jester45: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=32 But it's an old article, still working, but with much typo's :-) |
| 18:18.40 | almost\silent | oh, well I installed 2.6.18 |
| 18:18.42 | simonrvn | mostly kernel version and different userland |
| 18:18.52 | enouf | h3sp4wn: heh .. i just switched over to my root console and did it, no sudo ;-) .. but i just couldn't recall all instances/examples about what i was saying yesterday. Will spew more, as i run into them .. stay tuned ;-P |
| 18:18.54 | simonrvn | different versions, updates, etc. |
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| 18:19.26 | dvs | almost\silent: an "aptitude update && aptitude dist-update" is highly recommended now |
| 18:19.41 | almost\silent | I'll do that right after this upgrade is done |
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| 18:19.51 | dvs | almost\silent: what upgrade? |
| 18:19.52 | almost\silent | its processing packages |
| 18:19.59 | almost\silent | apt-get upgrade |
| 18:20.07 | almost\silent | started it before I knew not to |
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| 18:20.34 | h3sp4wn | enouf: for my desktop at home I use - sudo -i to get root (because I am lazy really) ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL in sudoers |
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| 18:21.00 | almost\silent | is that supposed to be dist-upgrade? |
| 18:21.07 | almost\silent | aptitude update && aptitude dist-update |
| 18:21.08 | dvs | almost\silent: yes |
| 18:21.12 | almost\silent | k |
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| 18:21.36 | frankr | I'm attempting to ge ta touch screen working on a fujitsu stylistic lt c-500 and I found this tutorial which is for suse: http://www.neurath.org/stylistic_lt_c500/index.html it tells me to do stuff with setserial but it returns errors |
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| 18:21.58 | almost\silent | some of the dialogues in installs are pretty inconsistent... "[Y/n/?]:" |
| 18:22.17 | almost\silent | what if I chose '?' |
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| 18:22.28 | dvs | almost\silent: you get help |
| 18:22.38 | almost\silent | hmm |
| 18:22.46 | almost\silent | :O |
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| 18:23.03 | almost\silent | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.07 | almost\silent | O_O |
| 18:23.30 | enouf | h3sp4wn: i use the same /etc/sudoers entry , but also i have a 'su -' console open at most times now, for things i know are going to be a PITA using sudo (and other things) .. the only thing i noticed using my method though, is that the commands and authentications don't get saved in /var/log/auth* , for later review |
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| 18:24.04 | NiklasH_work | hi, I have a raid 1 array (bios) that i want to convert into two disks again. has anyone tried that? Don't want to lose the data on the array |
| 18:24.13 | simonrvn | almost\silent: erm, might want to start over, or something, and run apt-get autoclean |
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| 18:24.36 | Vasistha | NiklasH_work: sounds shaky. back up your data first... |
| 18:24.38 | almost\silent | ahead of you simon ;P |
| 18:24.46 | Wyzard | NiklasH_work: You'll need to copy the data somewhere else first |
| 18:24.50 | almost\silent | already getting new packages |
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| 18:25.22 | Artimus | Has anyone had trouble with a broken GTK font dialog window (in Iceweasel, for example). Basically, in the save dialog, instead of seeing words, all letters are rendered with a square box. |
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| 18:25.36 | almost\silent | Diable challenge-response authentication? |
| 18:25.40 | almost\silent | Disable* |
| 18:25.52 | Wyzard | NiklasH_work: If your RAID controller supports removing one disk without destroying the array -- giving you a degraded RAID-1 array with just one disk in it -- you could remove one disk, copy the data over to it from the degraded array, and then remove the other disk from the array |
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| 18:26.24 | NiklasH_work | Wyzard: yes, that's what i was thinking. |
| 18:26.32 | NiklasH_work | Should be pretty safe, then? |
| 18:26.44 | Wyzard | It should be, yes |
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| 18:26.55 | NiklasH_work | Don't know how good VIA boards are on raid support, though... |
| 18:27.15 | jzxu | anyone know what's the workaround for the problem with openoffice.org and the fglrx driver? |
| 18:27.46 | foo | xingu: ok, it's up now |
| 18:27.53 | foo | xingu: /me checks logs |
| 18:28.11 | Artimus | jzxu: set the environment variable SAL_NOOPENGL=true |
| 18:28.13 | Vasistha | jzxu: this is an unfounded and probably completely wrong *guess*: try display depth 16? |
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| 18:28.33 | blinx | in which package is picins.sty included? |
| 18:28.42 | jzxu | Artimus: I tried that, to no avail |
| 18:28.42 | blinx | I have tetex-base already installed |
| 18:28.50 | simonrvn | !find picins.sty |
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| 18:28.59 | simonrvn | !tell blinx -about search |
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| 18:29.02 | Artimus | jzxu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185033&page=12 <-- Look at the post by garion |
| 18:29.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'picins.sty' (1): (/usr/share/texmf-tetex/source/latex/picins/picins.sty) in tex/tetex-src. |
| 18:29.08 | jzxu | Vasistha: I really think that's an unacceptable workaround, even if it worked |
| 18:29.23 | simonrvn | blinx: ^^^ |
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| 18:29.53 | ericP | it seems sid's libc's usr/bin/tzconfig is gone, perhaps replaced by the lest jingoist tzselect. |
| 18:29.58 | itchi | jzxu: Have you look on the BTS? |
| 18:30.09 | ericP | how does one communicate that sort of thing to hapless lusers like myself? |
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| 18:30.52 | almost\silent | for future reference, how much space is recommended for etch? |
| 18:31.12 | dvs | almost\silent: it depends what you're installing |
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| 18:31.45 | foo | xingu: Gah, not seeing anything obvious in messages or syslog. What's your next plan of action?h m |
| 18:31.54 | itchi | almost\silent: Lesser as 300 MB ASFAIK |
| 18:31.55 | jzxu | itchi: I found it on the BTS, I guess it's an open issue |
| 18:32.09 | itchi | jzxu: Mostly there are the fix below |
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| 18:32.37 | itchi | s/S// |
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| 18:33.36 | almost\silent | dvs, it an upgrade from sarge. I had 450mb allocated for sarge, but upgrading needs 47. I have 22mb available. I'm trying to apt-get clean every time it runs out of space then re-upgrading and doing dpkg --configure -a as necessary |
| 18:34.14 | almost\silent | I'm getting errors all over the place -_-" |
| 18:34.23 | dvs | almost\silent: if it needs 47 and you only have 22 then it will never fit |
| 18:34.25 | foo | xingu: well, backup the important files :) |
| 18:34.27 | itchi | almost\silent: Use a USB key, mount it on /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?? |
| 18:34.33 | foo | xingu: Still around? |
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| 18:34.47 | almost\silent | inchi, would that work? |
| 18:34.51 | almost\silent | itchi* |
| 18:34.58 | itchi | almost\silent: Sure, why not? |
| 18:35.14 | frankr | I need to assign a com port to a device how do I do that |
| 18:35.23 | almost\silent | would I be able to remove the key afterward? |
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| 18:35.38 | itchi | almost\silent: If you not put some glue, yes |
| 18:35.39 | xand | frankr: what do you mean? serial ports are /dev/ttyS{0,1,2...} |
| 18:36.13 | itchi | almost\silent: I tried once, cause i did the same error :-Ã |
| 18:36.13 | frankr | xand, I have no idea what I mean, I've never used com/serial ports in linux before but this tutorial http://www.neurath.org/stylistic_lt_c500/index.html is confusing me |
| 18:36.13 | frankr | :P |
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| 18:36.54 | almost\silent | itchi, what mount options do I need |
| 18:37.13 | itchi | almost\silent: Hold on, i'm looking |
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| 18:38.16 | mbd | !ati |
| 18:38.17 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 18:38.44 | Amarande | mbd, ati is hardly worth the trouble |
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| 18:38.51 | itchi | almost\silent: It was simply, somethings like mount -t vfat /dev/bla /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:38.51 | Amarande | what card do you have? |
| 18:38.53 | berkel | how can i set postfix to use procmail for delivery mail after spamassassin control? |
| 18:39.05 | mbd | Amarande: radeon 9800pro |
| 18:39.09 | foo | Hm, this debian box was saying "Input/Ouput Error" and "Bus error" when I would run commands like sudo, rsync, su... kind of bothersome. Disk wasn't full. I should do a fsck, right? |
| 18:39.13 | Amarande | mbd: AGP, or PCI-E system? |
| 18:39.17 | mbd | agp |
| 18:39.17 | simonrvn | neither is nvidia |
| 18:39.18 | itchi | almost\silent: And like you run aptitude as root, you have write access |
| 18:39.27 | jzxu | itchi: so according to the bts the start-up crash bug in various forms has been fixed, I guess I'll try the unstable version |
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| 18:39.40 | almost\silent | bla, I think my drive is sda |
| 18:39.51 | itchi | jzxu: Or wait that the 'new' package is available |
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| 18:39.58 | Amarande | mbd, I think you can get a GeForce 7600 GS for AGP |
| 18:40.12 | Amarande | or even the 7800 GS, but on linux that's usually overkill |
| 18:40.18 | mbd | Amarande: nah |
| 18:40.21 | Amarande | simonrvn, nvidia is generally easier to run on Linux |
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| 18:40.34 | simonrvn | at least the radeon can run 3d with the free driver |
| 18:40.37 | mbd | Amarande: had it workin on ubuntu few days ago so i know it works |
| 18:40.43 | simonrvn | nvidia you don't have a choice |
| 18:40.47 | almost\silent | itchi, wrong fs type etc. |
| 18:40.48 | itchi | almost\silent: I no more remember how i did it, but remember that it was a very easy trick. I have do it only once, in the begin of starting with GNU/Linux |
| 18:41.18 | simonrvn | besides, they BOTH SUCK |
| 18:41.18 | dvs | Amarande: intel is even easier |
| 18:41.18 | adamt_ | after install afterstep, a lot of icons disappeared from KDE.. That is not cool :| |
| 18:41.18 | itchi | almost\silent: The module need to be loaded |
| 18:41.18 | adamt_ | Also, the theme was changed.. what happened? |
| 18:41.18 | itchi | almost\silent: The vfat thingy module |
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| 18:41.18 | almost\silent | how do I load it? |
| 18:41.38 | jzxu | itchi: I guess I'll have to, the unstable version requires me to upgrade like 40 additional packages to unstable |
| 18:41.40 | itchi | almost\silent: Install modconf, a little text interface, and select it there. Or modprobe vfat |
| 18:41.44 | pmvalente | I need help on usb wireless wpa connection, please |
| 18:42.04 | almost\silent | do I need vfat or can it be another fstype? |
| 18:42.16 | itchi | jzxu: Do not do that upgrade |
| 18:42.22 | Amarande | adamt_, it's running an afterstep theme, not a KDE theme, probably |
| 18:42.26 | jzxu | itchi: yeah, I know |
| 18:42.34 | itchi | almost\silent: That key is FAT probably |
| 18:42.56 | Amarande | there's a bunch of themes I like and they're all for Widow, er, Window Maker |
| 18:43.01 | itchi | almost\silent: But i dunno heh, i not formated it :-) |
| 18:43.02 | mbd | hmm... do i have to run modula-assistant everytime there is a new kernel or driver version? |
| 18:43.19 | itchi | mbd: yes |
| 18:43.22 | mbd | ok.. |
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| 18:43.29 | adamt_ | Amarande: And why should that happend? And how do i remedy it? The theme-part is partly fixed, although some things is still weird. |
| 18:43.48 | simonrvn | every time you want to build one yes... also if you're running a debian kernel |
| 18:43.59 | simonrvn | ...and there's an update |
| 18:44.28 | jzxu | well, I guess abiword will have to do |
| 18:44.29 | Amarande | I haven't tried to install a new wm since after installing gnome, so I'm not sure what effect it would have |
| 18:44.32 | Amarande | and I haven't used KDE in ages |
| 18:44.43 | dvs | !pity Amarande |
| 18:44.43 | dpkg | I pity da fool Amarande! |
| 18:44.46 | almost\silent | itchi, I have modconf installed, how do I start it? |
| 18:44.47 | Amarande | I'm thinking I might want to get windowmaker, though |
| 18:44.47 | n3kl | Amd64 stable does not seem to be that stable. anyone have any expierence with it? |
| 18:44.49 | itchi | almost\silent: But i may say, cause i did it later too, probably you need to reorganise your patitions |
| 18:44.56 | itchi | almost\silent: As root modconf |
| 18:45.25 | adamt_ | Amarande: It never happened when installing ratpoison, e, openbox, fluxbox.. etc. |
| 18:45.25 | Amarande | n3kl, 64 bit drivers probably aren't as robust yet |
| 18:45.26 | Amarande | also, a lot of non-free things require a 32 bit environment |
| 18:45.28 | itchi | almost\silent: Or at least, get free space and mount it somewhere, to 'get' more 'system' space |
| 18:45.29 | adamt_ | only afterstep has trashed KDE. |
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| 18:45.32 | almost\silent | which module do I need? |
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| 18:45.50 | itchi | almost\silent: Look a bit, '*fat*' somethings :-) |
| 18:46.22 | berkel | how can i set postfix to use procmail for delivery mail after spamassassin control? |
| 18:46.34 | Amarande | by the way, where do you set the theme for the gdm logon screen? |
| 18:46.42 | n3kl | Amarande: yeah, I had been running i686 on this machine for a long time, but when I found out amd64 went official when etch went stable, I thought I would give it a run down. Some things are a lot faster, and others are just stupid slow.... kind of anoying. |
| 18:46.42 | itchi | almost\silent: In console (without modconf) you probably do somethings like this modprobe -l *fat* |
| 18:46.45 | xand | Amarande: in gdm conf file |
| 18:46.58 | xand | Amarande: which has been nicely trimmed of comments in etch :| |
| 18:47.23 | Amarande | :| |
| 18:47.40 | Amarande | seems like someone turned debian upside down and shook it before releasing etch :| |
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| 18:47.55 | simonrvn | Amarande: nothing new there |
| 18:47.57 | almost\silent | I selected /fs/vfat and now I have 2 options "Finished. return to previous menu" and "cfat + (No description available) |
| 18:47.59 | almost\silent | " |
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| 18:48.17 | itchi | almost\silent: The + means that it is selected |
| 18:48.25 | almost\silent | is that good? |
| 18:48.36 | simonrvn | great change brings chaos, but then it settle down |
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| 18:48.37 | almost\silent | how do I load it so I can mount the usb drive? |
| 18:48.41 | simonrvn | settles* |
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| 18:49.16 | itchi | almost\silent: + means that it is loaded at boot time, i was unclear, like usual :-p |
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| 18:49.44 | itchi | almost\silent: Look now if its loaded with 'lsmod' |
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| 18:50.03 | almost\silent | vfat, yep |
| 18:50.06 | Amarande | hmm, mkfs -t vfat makes FAT32 that is compatible with Windows, right? |
| 18:50.06 | itchi | almost\silent: Probably you want the command 'lsmod | grep fat' |
| 18:50.10 | almost\silent | used by 0 |
| 18:50.31 | almost\silent | its the first module in lsmod :P |
| 18:50.45 | itchi | almost\silent: Heh, is that fs been fat at all? :-) |
| 18:50.54 | almost\silent | dunno, I can format it |
| 18:51.19 | xand | Amarande: yes |
| 18:51.42 | Amarande | ahh good ... I should reformat the usb portable 80GB then |
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| 18:51.54 | Amarande | I'd like to be able to transfer files freely between alviarin and windows machines |
| 18:52.14 | xand | what are "alviarin" machines? |
| 18:52.19 | Amarande | and ... welll ... I've heard Bad Things(tm) often happen if you write to a NTFS drive from Linux |
| 18:52.22 | almost\silent | mkfs.fat? |
| 18:52.24 | Amarande | Linux alviarin 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:57:15 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:52.27 | Amarande | :P xand |
| 18:52.37 | pipeline | Amarande: Well, over the network, you can use OpenAFS, NFS, or Samba to talk between windows and linux. |
| 18:52.50 | pipeline | Amarande: That's in order of, err, good-ness. |
| 18:52.57 | pipeline | Amarande: unfortunately, it's in reverse order of ease of setup. |
| 18:53.07 | xand | I'd use samba |
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| 18:53.43 | itchi | almost\silent: Yes, or use cfdisk or whatever, kug, partition creator tool |
| 18:54.00 | itchi | almost\silent: Mostly these have fs creation tools too |
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| 18:56.38 | daqqal | hey gusy whats new |
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| 18:57.12 | daqqal | i'm trying to install debian, i want to ftp the dvd, why are there 3 dvd's for it? dvd1 dvd2 and dvd3, is it that big? |
| 18:57.23 | pipeline | daqqal: You only need the "netinstall" disc. |
| 18:57.33 | pipeline | daqqal: despite its name, "netinstall" contains everything you need to get a basic system running. |
| 18:57.42 | pipeline | daqqal: you don't technically require the net to install with it. |
| 18:57.53 | pipeline | Amarande: Hard drives are a shit choice for backup medium. |
| 18:58.01 | pipeline | Amarande: A spinning hard drive has a longer MBTF than one that's turned off ;P |
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| 18:58.07 | pipeline | Amarande: not to mention how fragile they are, inherently. |
| 18:58.09 | mbd | !ati |
| 18:58.09 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 18:58.24 | pipeline | mbd: want to update that factoid? ;) |
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| 18:59.00 | mbd | once i got it working maybe |
| 18:59.09 | itchi | mbd: Take a look too /msg dpkg selftell |
| 18:59.20 | daqqal | pipeline: ah ok, thanx |
| 18:59.43 | ericP | i recall a debian package for using non-debian JVMs. i guess it just provided something like java-mumble. i can't find it (and gij isn't working for me) |
| 18:59.55 | pipeline | daqqal: it'll prompt you to download and install other packages so that you have something other than a prompt and aptitude :P |
| 19:00.27 | ericP | i looked for -dummy packages, but no joy. maybe it *used* to be called that? |
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| 19:01.36 | almost\silent | ok, itchi, i have the flash drive mounted on that folder, now do the upgrade? |
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| 19:01.56 | itchi | almost\silent: Probably heh :-p |
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| 19:02.01 | berkel | please someone help me with postfix and procmail... |
| 19:02.02 | almost\silent | I'll try it out |
| 19:02.04 | xingu | ericP: java-package can package the ibm release if that's what you're using |
| 19:02.13 | almost\silent | is that folder a temp folder for pachages before they're installed? |
| 19:02.27 | almost\silent | why can I remove it after its done? |
| 19:02.39 | regis | does the debian install dvd supports dmraid with RAID5? |
| 19:02.55 | berkel | please someone help me with postfix and procmail... |
| 19:03.10 | pipeline | regis: dmraid? err, device mapper? I don't think so. |
| 19:03.10 | almost\silent | W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 19:03.12 | ericP | xingu, aha, tx. hadn't selected my 2nd choice jvm, but ibm may be as good as any |
| 19:03.15 | itchi | !tell berkel -about ask |
| 19:03.20 | pipeline | regis: I would strongly advise using md, which actually gets tested. |
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| 19:03.28 | pipeline | regis: if you want to live on the edge a little bit, use md RAID6 :) |
| 19:03.31 | itchi | almost\silent: It's mounted in read only? |
| 19:03.35 | regis | does md can access Intel matrix raid? |
| 19:03.41 | regis | (software raid) |
| 19:03.46 | Stilgar | Ok. I'm using debian stable and I want to install the package locales. It then suggests me to remove base-config. why?! |
| 19:03.50 | pipeline | regis: hardware-assisted software RAID is garbage. |
| 19:03.52 | pipeline | regis: So no. |
| 19:03.52 | almost\silent | dunno, I just mounted it |
| 19:03.52 | regis | lol pipeline ;) |
| 19:04.05 | pipeline | regis: it combines the worst of both worlds |
| 19:04.05 | almost\silent | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 19:04.08 | ericP | xingu, seems gone from sid. guess i'll just use jdk16 and much with my own paths |
| 19:04.12 | pipeline | regis: it's slow and clumsy like hardware RAID, plus you're tied to a specific piece of hardware when it fails |
| 19:04.18 | pipeline | regis: but it eats host CPU and memory like software RAID |
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| 19:04.22 | berkel | my problem is that postfix don't use procmail to delivery mail...but i need it...i set mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a $EXTENSION but don't works!! |
| 19:04.24 | regis | yes, but that's not for me, but for a windows guys who want to acces his data without windows :p |
| 19:04.24 | itchi | almost\silent: Try to make a fake file on it, just as test |
| 19:04.30 | pipeline | regis: yes, well, he's fucked. |
| 19:04.41 | regis | thanks pipeline :) |
| 19:04.47 | pipeline | regis: this is why you do not use hardware-assisted software RAID. |
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| 19:04.55 | almost\silent | made a directory |
| 19:04.56 | regis | yes :( |
| 19:04.59 | pipeline | regis: Windows Server has perfectly good pure-software RAID. He should have used that. |
| 19:04.59 | itchi | !tell berkel -about don't work |
| 19:05.24 | xingu | ericP: it's in contrib |
| 19:05.30 | xingu | ericP: ... in sid. |
| 19:05.31 | pipeline | regis: besides, I'm sure he had a thorough and well-tested backup regimen ;) |
| 19:05.35 | regis | oh? I didnt know that windows server can do that |
| 19:05.35 | berkel | don't work = don't use procmail... |
| 19:05.52 | itchi | berkel: That's not much better, get you errors? |
| 19:06.06 | itchi | almost\silent: And that work right? |
| 19:06.14 | almost\silent | itchi, I think it needs all the stuff that used to be in that folder |
| 19:06.28 | Gmoliv | can someone give me good reasons to not using a ia32 arch in a amd64 processor? i'm almost giving up |
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| 19:06.43 | pipeline | Gmoliv: You should always use an amd64 kernel. |
| 19:06.50 | itchi | berkel: Sorry, i can not help you, please do not PM |
| 19:06.50 | pipeline | Gmoliv: It is indeed wise to install debian/i386, though :) |
| 19:06.53 | xingu | regis: dmraid may be able to unpick matrix raid. |
| 19:06.55 | Amarande | Gmoliv, if you need 32 bit mode, use a k7 kernel |
| 19:06.59 | xingu | regis: it's worth a shot |
| 19:07.09 | regis | ok thanks xingu :) |
| 19:07.20 | itchi | almost\silent: Unmount it and mount /var/cache/apt or so?? |
| 19:07.28 | almost\silent | device is busy |
| 19:07.30 | pipeline | Gmoliv: You can use a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace. That way, you don't run into the performance issues pertaining to >4G of RAM in 32/36 mode, but you can still run normal software :) |
| 19:07.41 | regis | but is debian install dvd able to mount matrix raid without install anything? like a liveDVD? |
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| 19:07.46 | berkel | no error...mail were sent to inbox....but without procmail i can't write spam mail in spam folder |
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| 19:07.56 | Amarande | just be careful that any non-free kernel modules you use are available for 64 bit |
| 19:07.58 | itchi | almost\silent: Cause somethings is still using it, look with lsof /dev/my_device, and kill the stuff |
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| 19:08.06 | pipeline | Amarande: who uses non-free kernel modules? *whistles* |
| 19:08.15 | Amarande | 4G of RAM ... Light, I can't even manage to use up 2G most of the time :) |
| 19:08.18 | itchi | almost\silent: Or better, close taht app that use it |
| 19:08.24 | Amarande | pipeline, nvidia and ati users who need DRI |
| 19:08.24 | pipeline | Amarande: You are clearly not a Websphere man :P |
| 19:08.26 | fsteves_ | exit |
| 19:08.30 | pipeline | Amarande: Nonsense :) |
| 19:08.46 | Gmoliv | Amarande, pipeline: i set up a ia32 chroot here, but i miss features like youtube (flash suport), [.../ |
| 19:08.54 | almost\silent | command... bash lsof lsof |
| 19:09.03 | almost\silent | I cant kill bash can I? |
| 19:09.06 | almost\silent | thats the shell |
| 19:09.12 | pipeline | Gmoliv: Just install debian/i386 from scratch. It has amd64 kernels in the standard repositories. |
| 19:09.14 | itchi | almost\silent: Wait |
| 19:09.19 | pipeline | Gmoliv: (At least, in unstable it does. I think etch does too.) |
| 19:09.26 | Amarande | hmm, speaking of killing shells |
| 19:09.28 | itchi | almost\silent: He could not lock it cause your / is still full, clean a very little bit |
| 19:09.29 | almost\silent | should I close this shell and open a new one? |
| 19:09.39 | Amarande | what's the 'proper' way to force-logout another user's gnome session? |
| 19:09.41 | pipeline | Gmoliv: There's also a 32/64 toolchain so you can build modules for your kernel without a chroot. |
| 19:09.42 | dotCOMmie | doesn anyone find it silly that vrms shows gcc-docs as non free d: ... perhaps vrms should be renamed? |
| 19:09.44 | Alarm | is there any difference between firefox and iceweasel ? |
| 19:09.49 | itchi | almost\silent: He need to make a lock file in /var/lock/ |
| 19:09.55 | foo | Hm, this debian box was saying "Input/Ouput Error" and "Bus error" when I would run commands like sudo, rsync, su... kind of bothersome. Disk wasn't full. I should do a fsck, eh? |
| 19:09.55 | Amarande | does switching to their display and using CAB kill only their display, or all displays? |
| 19:09.59 | pipeline | Alarm: iceweasel runs on 11 architectures. Firefox runs on two. |
| 19:10.09 | pipeline | Alarm: There's a long list of patches to make that change possible. |
| 19:10.11 | Gmoliv | Amarande, pipeline: i also noticed that sound and videos are unsyncronized in *every* movie, and the audio quality is *very* poor |
| 19:10.16 | itchi | almost\silent: You need 5% free i think |
| 19:10.25 | almost\silent | to do what |
| 19:10.26 | Amarande | Gmoliv, that's just because most youtube videos suck |
| 19:10.29 | Alarm | does that make it better ? :) |
| 19:10.29 | pipeline | Gmoliv: Flash sucks shit on non-windows platforms. That's life. |
| 19:10.34 | itchi | almost\silent: ... what your doing |
| 19:10.49 | Gmoliv | Amarande: it also happens in .avi and dvds |
| 19:10.51 | LOQUILLO_ | who could help me for mount images on Debian, something like daemon-tools for windows |
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| 19:10.55 | Alarm | sorry for my foolish question but i dont get why simple firefox cant run on debian also |
| 19:11.08 | almost\silent | is there a way to force unmount it? |
| 19:11.11 | Gmoliv | and the sound quality sux even in xmms |
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| 19:11.26 | h3sp4wn | Alarm: see bug #354622 |
| 19:11.26 | Amarande | Alarm, iceweasel *is* firefox :) |
| 19:11.29 | pipeline | Alarm: Because Mozilla, Inc. is a bunch of bastards. It's a long ugly story. |
| 19:11.36 | Amarande | however, while firefox itself is free |
| 19:11.40 | Amarande | the firefox name is non-free |
| 19:11.42 | itchi | LOQUILLO_: Somethings like mount -o /my/file.iso /mnt/iso |
| 19:11.44 | Amarande | or something like that :| |
| 19:11.45 | Alarm | woow 3 answers ehhe :) |
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| 19:11.58 | Alarm | i see |
| 19:12.06 | Alarm | i will check the bug mentioned above |
| 19:12.09 | almost\silent | itchi, how long have you been using linux? |
| 19:12.15 | almost\silent | you know too much |
| 19:12.16 | LOQUILLO_ | hi itchi i have a lot of .bin, .iso and .nrg images and I wanna mount for load programs |
| 19:12.19 | Amarande | basically, we can change and modify and tinker with the firefox code till the cows come home, but then we can't call it firefox. :) |
| 19:12.24 | itchi | almost\silent: 3-4 years |
| 19:12.33 | almost\silent | cli or gui? |
| 19:12.34 | pipeline | Alarm: Debian insisted that they were not going to distribute any version of firefox that included mozilla, inc's non-free plugins. They also wanted to distribute their patches that made it possible to run on more architectures. Mozilla insisted that they couldn't do that and keep the Firefox name. So Debian told them where they could stick it and gave it their fork a deliberately-silly name. |
| 19:12.40 | itchi | almost\silent: No worry, you will know much more as me, just keep the motivation and you will win ;-) |
| 19:12.53 | Gmoliv | Amarande, pipeline: *dumb question*: what defines the arch is the kernel, the chroot or both ? |
| 19:13.03 | LOQUILLO_ | <itchi> almost\silent: No worry, you will know much more as me, just keep the motivation and you will win ;-) <<< good |
| 19:13.04 | pipeline | almost\silent: Those are not strictly non-overlapping things :P |
| 19:13.08 | Amarande | Gmoliv, binaries are compiled for a particular arch |
| 19:13.11 | pipeline | Gmoliv: Well, neither, really. |
| 19:13.21 | pipeline | Gmoliv: The kernel loader, I suppose. |
| 19:13.26 | Amarande | for the most part, it's the userland libs that define your system's effective true arch |
| 19:13.33 | almost\silent | pipeline, some people use strictly cli though, that is what I'm referring to |
| 19:13.38 | itchi | almost\silent: And btw, i'm very slow to learn. ;-) |
| 19:13.47 | pipeline | almost\silent: And that's a nonsensical thing to say. |
| 19:13.48 | Alarm | i see. interesting |
| 19:13.50 | Amarande | since that's what will be used the most in a practical sense, and an amd64 kernel will run either 32- or 64-bit userland |
| 19:13.56 | pipeline | almost\silent: Lots of "CLI" apps in fact use Curses, which is a GUI. |
| 19:13.59 | itchi | almost\silent: GUI sucks :-p And it will not learn you 'the' stuff |
| 19:14.06 | Gmoliv | Amarande, pipeline: so if i install debian i386 and compile a amd64 i'm not going to have problems, right? |
| 19:14.08 | Alarm | thanks for explaining |
| 19:14.13 | pipeline | itchi: The UNIX CLI sucks shit. No one should have to learn it :P |
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| 19:14.24 | itchi | hehe |
| 19:14.25 | Amarande | Gmoliv, not unless you try to use 32-bit kernel modules |
| 19:14.27 | pipeline | Gmoliv: Well, install the debian amd64 packaged kernel. Much simpler. |
| 19:14.29 | mbd | how can i stop a service? i misconfigured shorewall and cant surt :\ |
| 19:14.31 | almost\silent | yea... I'm going to try to learn more this summer... basic debian install with screen |
| 19:14.34 | mbd | surf* |
| 19:14.36 | Amarande | which is why you need to be sure any non-free kernel modules you may have support 64 |
| 19:14.41 | almost\silent | poke around, try to break the os |
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| 19:14.57 | kuba_ | why are you on ubuntu server not on debian server?? |
| 19:15.08 | itchi | almost\silent: Use it everday, or at least setup you mail on you Debian box and move of that MS ;-) |
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| 19:15.13 | Amarande | mbd: try /etc/init.d/shorewall stop? |
| 19:15.19 | itchi | s/everday/every day/ |
| 19:15.23 | Amarande | as root, mind you |
| 19:15.28 | mbd | thanks |
| 19:15.47 | solemnwarning | If I use Linux software RAID-1 over two disks, are both bootable? |
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| 19:15.59 | mbd | /J #ati |
| 19:16.21 | Gmoliv | Am i going to loose performance if i use a i386 arch here? |
| 19:16.23 | almost\silent | I use Windows because I've used it all my life. Had I used linux, I'm sure I would prefer it. In hindsight I wish I had used linux more because of how dynamic it is, but I'm catching up |
| 19:16.43 | itchi | mbd: Looks like you have a weird client |
| 19:16.44 | almost\silent | I'm also looking into reactOS, which should be a nice addition to my hdd |
| 19:16.57 | Amarande | Gmoliv, you should use i686 for the 32-bit |
| 19:17.08 | Amarande | i386 is for *old* CPUs, like original Pentiums/Pentium MMX and down |
| 19:17.10 | pipeline | almost\silent: oh, I doubt it. I think most people are addicted to UNIX because once you've spent half a decade becomeing facile with the world's crappiest user interface, it's just too much of a pain in the ass to switch. |
| 19:17.56 | Amarande | wait, which are we calling the world's crappiest UI? |
| 19:17.56 | itchi | almost\silent: Why would you use another thing when you already have 'the' best one? :-p |
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| 19:18.06 | pipeline | Amarande: The UNIX CLI. |
| 19:18.10 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: its definately not worse than VMS |
| 19:18.11 | pipeline | Amarande: With all its fun pitfalls |
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| 19:18.15 | Amarande | hmm, I rather liked the bash cli |
| 19:18.18 | pipeline | h3sp4wn: clearly you are a fool. I'm going to put you on ignore now. |
| 19:18.19 | danielss89 | hi, ive just installed postfix, and i wonder how i can add users who recieve mail on my server? |
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| 19:18.29 | danielss89 | adding new users and where the email goes? and how to check it? |
| 19:18.36 | Amarande | really the only really bad UI I've seen lately is XMMS 2 |
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| 19:18.42 | h3sp4wn | pipeline: thanks |
| 19:18.42 | itchi | almost\silent: Bash is a command interpreter heh |
| 19:18.47 | itchi | oeps |
| 19:18.48 | almost\silent | pipeline, I don't support how secretive ms is, which is why I'll be moving to ReactOS when it goes beta |
| 19:18.50 | Amarande | I don't know who coded XMMS 2, but I'm sure the channeling of excess saidin was involved |
| 19:18.55 | Amarande | since obviously whoever designed it was mad :| |
| 19:18.57 | itchi | Amarande: ^^ |
| 19:18.57 | Gmoliv | Amarande: installing the i686 kernel package for nvidia and running a debootstrap i686 should do the same ? |
| 19:18.59 | pipeline | Amarande: I could paste one-liners that look innocuous, but are actually fork bombs. I would of course be kicked for that :P |
| 19:19.10 | frankr | what package is lspci in |
| 19:19.12 | kuba_ | \amethyst: how many years I have to learn if i want to be good in Linux:) ??? |
| 19:19.28 | pipeline | Amarande: it's just really easy to shoot yourself in the foot. e.g. understanding "rm - -rf" or accidentally typing "rm /* instead of "rm ./*" |
| 19:19.36 | itchi | frankr: pciutils |
| 19:19.39 | almost\silent | constantly using linux, probably ~6 months |
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| 19:19.42 | frankr | ty |
| 19:19.54 | pipeline | kuba_: Oh, it only takes a couple hours to get the basics. It'll take five to ten years to understand the shell in and out, by which time you will curse your mother for your miserable birth. |
| 19:20.20 | pipeline | Amarande: It's a stupid, stupid design. "Just enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." |
| 19:20.21 | siyb | does anyone by any chance know which regexp engine nano uses? |
| 19:20.31 | pipeline | siyb: ldd /usr/bin/nano :P |
| 19:20.34 | almost\silent | itchi, but anywat, back to the trouble shooting |
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| 19:20.40 | almost\silent | I have unmounted the usb drive |
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| 19:20.48 | Amarande | pipeline, it's better than Windows' complete lack of confidence though :| |
| 19:20.53 | foo | jelly-home: yo, around? |
| 19:20.57 | pipeline | siyb: If you don't see a regex lib in the list, it almost certainly uses its own homebrew :\ |
| 19:21.01 | itchi | almost\silent: yup |
| 19:21.16 | pipeline | Amarande: Eh, the Windows CLI is extremely simple. It doesn't do much, but you can't very well fuck up. |
| 19:21.19 | kuba_ | pipeline: don't be so clever hunny |
| 19:21.27 | Amarande | "are you sure?" "are you sure?" "are you sure?" ... "you've said yes the last 1000 times this operation, but, are you sure?" |
| 19:21.30 | jelly-home | foo: aye |
| 19:21.44 | Amarande | unfortunately, too, not every AYS has "Yes to All" |
| 19:21.53 | frankr | Where's that lspci -n driver check page? |
| 19:21.54 | almost\silent | itchi, in order to use the usb space for the package installs, but still have access to the items in the archive folder that the upgrade needs, how do I do this? |
| 19:21.55 | kuba_ | pipeline: and I didn't ask you man |
| 19:22.00 | siyb | thanks pipeline |
| 19:22.03 | pipeline | kuba_: This was written more than ten years ago. Sadly, the vast bulk of it is still true and problematic. http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf |
| 19:22.27 | itchi | almost\silent: The system is no more able to creat a lock file in the /var/lock/ You need to clean up a very bit |
| 19:22.32 | Amarande | pipeline, the main reason you can't very well fuck up is because you can't do much with it :) |
| 19:22.50 | almost\silent | what should I clean in that folder |
| 19:23.03 | almost\silent | I only have one item, lvm |
| 19:23.04 | pipeline | Amarande: That's an acceptable compromise. Not that it's the only compromise. VMS had two command line interfaces, and both were less, err, error-prone than UNIX |
| 19:23.06 | itchi | almost\silent: Or mount the whole /var on that key, but i wonder if the /var is so less |
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| 19:23.11 | kuba_ | pipeline: przyjedź do Polski to ci tak wpierdole ze nie będziesz wiedział jak się kurwa nazywasz |
| 19:23.14 | paines | hi |
| 19:23.14 | kuba_ | !!!!!!!!! |
| 19:23.21 | pipeline | kuba_: Tried #debian-pl? |
| 19:23.28 | kuba_ | fuck you |
| 19:23.35 | azeem | kuba_: please watch your language |
| 19:23.45 | itchi | azeem: I was ready to cry :-) |
| 19:23.47 | kuba_ | pipeline: tried to kill yourself?? |
| 19:23.51 | azeem | kuba_: this is an english speaking channel, please ignore pipeline if you don't like him |
| 19:23.56 | azeem | kuba_: last warning |
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| 19:24.05 | almost\silent | if I mount the /var to the key, would that interrupt any access to items in /var on the hard disk that might be needed during upgrade? |
| 19:24.11 | pipeline | kuba_: Once, but turns out the rope was actually tied to a small dog. Shit happens :( |
| 19:24.17 | kuba_ | azeem: but all of us know that he is stupid |
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| 19:24.27 | pipeline | almost\silent: Scarily, the things that were open on the old /var will remain open. |
| 19:24.36 | azeem | kuba_: that doesn't matter, you watch your language in here. |
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| 19:24.51 | kuba_ | ok |
| 19:24.55 | itchi | almost\silent: Depend of the stuff you have installed, but i guess that /var is to big. Cause you need to copy some file to that key then. So avoid it. Just clean a very little bit. |
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| 19:25.00 | almost\silent | pipeline, so I could mount infinite devices on /var and they would all be accessible?? |
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| 19:25.07 | kuba_ | pipeline: someone must be clever |
| 19:25.23 | almost\silent | kuba_, just get the f*ck out |
| 19:25.31 | solemnwarning | I've got a RAID-1 array in my server over 2 SATA disks |
| 19:25.40 | itchi | almost\silent: ignore him, you just make him hotter |
| 19:25.43 | kuba_ | almost\silent: really?? |
| 19:25.52 | Enverex|LT | Ok, I'm having major issues with the nVidia drivers. I was using the 100.xx ones but decided to go back to the 9755 ones. I installed the 9755 ones but now XOrg keeps telling me the nvidia module doesn't exist. I've tried reinstalling them like 5 times |
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| 19:25.53 | solemnwarning | Can I make the second disk bootable by copying the MBR from disk 1 to disk 2? |
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| 19:26.03 | Gmoliv | Amarande, pipeline thanks :) |
| 19:26.06 | almost\silent | * Added *!*n=kuba@acdi228.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl to ignore list ... woops, what happened there?? |
| 19:26.35 | kuba_ | gowno |
| 19:26.38 | itchi | almost\silent: You not see his message anymore, untill you do /unignore kuba |
| 19:26.52 | azeem | itchi: ... |
| 19:27.02 | almost\silent | itchi, I know |
| 19:27.05 | Amarande | Enverex, any reason why you needed that new of a driver? |
| 19:27.15 | Amarande | As far as I can tell, etch installs 87.76 and that seems to work just fine |
| 19:27.19 | Enverex|LT | Amarande, Just testing stuff in Wine |
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| 19:27.28 | Enverex|LT | and no, the 8776 drivers are horribly broken |
| 19:27.47 | Amarande | hmm, the only problems I've noticed with 8776 are that Guild Wars didn't want to work right in wine or cedega |
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| 19:28.04 | Enverex|LT | It lacks any EDID functionality, but that's irrelivant to my problem |
| 19:28.05 | Amarande | are there etch debs for 9755 yet? |
| 19:28.06 | almost\silent | so should I start the distro upgrade before I mount the usb so all files active are still acessible? |
| 19:28.13 | Enverex|LT | I don't kno |
| 19:28.16 | Amarande | or sid source packages? |
| 19:28.16 | Enverex|LT | +w |
| 19:28.31 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the source package for that would be called, though |
| 19:28.38 | Enverex|LT | So does no-one have any idea? |
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| 19:29.11 | Amarande | ahh, yes, source packages in sid |
| 19:29.33 | pipeline | almost\silent: no, only the last mounted one would be accessible. |
| 19:29.35 | Amarande | do I need only obtain the nvidia-glx source deb, or is there a separate source deb for nvidia-kernel-source too? |
| 19:29.40 | pipeline | almost\silent: IIRC you can't hold a directory inode open |
| 19:29.57 | pipeline | almost\silent: but all open files on the lower layers would be still open, still writing to the "underneath" filesystems |
| 19:29.57 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: nvidia-graphics-drivers (source package) see apt-cache madison nvidia-glx |
| 19:30.08 | pipeline | almost\silent: this even applies to pivot_root |
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| 19:30.26 | Amarande | madison? I never knew that option before |
| 19:30.32 | almost\silent | pipeline, so I should start the distro upgrade so it opens files on the under fs, then in another shell mount onto var? |
| 19:30.45 | pipeline | almost\silent: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but it doesn't sound like a good idea :P |
| 19:30.56 | Amarande | h3sp4wn, yay for secret options in apt-cache :| |
| 19:31.00 | almost\silent | yea, doesn't sound good to me either |
| 19:31.12 | militant | googling for perl tutorials and stuff. anyone have any particular favorites? i understand general concepts of programming but this'll be essentially a fresh start |
| 19:31.21 | Amarande | at least, it doesn't show in the help text when you type apt-cache without parameters |
| 19:31.37 | itchi | azeem: I suspected him, i thought he was come here with the same vulgarity |
| 19:31.41 | h3sp4wn | militant: programming perl / advanced programming perl (books( |
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| 19:31.56 | azeem | itchi: what are you talking about? |
| 19:31.59 | DawnLight | i want to configure a wireless lan card and i am completely ignorant. where do i begin? |
| 19:32.03 | almost\silent | pipeline, I'm trying to do a distro upgrade and I don't have enough space to perform it, so itchi suggested I mount a usb key to |
| 19:32.08 | itchi | azeem: About that guy with his weird language |
| 19:32.22 | itchi | azeem: Gona avoid to hit his nick :-p |
| 19:32.30 | azeem | the guy who left? |
| 19:32.31 | militant | h3sp4wn: books are good, i'm hitting the library this week. but i'd like to find a couple sites kuz i'm sorta working on it even now. |
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| 19:32.37 | azeem | anyway, he got teased |
| 19:32.41 | almost\silent | .. to /var/cache/apt/archives/ to allow me to upgrade |
| 19:32.43 | itchi | azeem: kuba yes |
| 19:33.00 | itchi | azeem: I not have pay attention that he was gone, have leave her a few |
| 19:33.03 | Enverex|LT | Anyone? I can't actually use my damn PC at all right now and that sucks the big one |
| 19:33.13 | itchi | ggrr, my typo day heh |
| 19:33.18 | almost\silent | i mounted the drive, but the upgrade exited with an error. |
| 19:33.25 | itchi | almost\silent: Which one? |
| 19:33.40 | pipeline | almost\silent: run apt-get clean first to free up the space the archives are wasting right now |
| 19:33.40 | almost\silent | i'll do it again and copy my bash output |
| 19:33.45 | almost\silent | onto a pastebin |
| 19:33.46 | pipeline | almost\silent: then mount there |
| 19:33.50 | pipeline | almost\silent: then upgrade :P |
| 19:33.55 | Amarande | hmm, now to figure out exactly how to upgrade the nvidia kernel packages. |
| 19:33.57 | pipeline | almost\silent: that will only save you the space for the archives, though |
| 19:33.58 | almost\silent | mount onto /var/cache/apt/archives/? |
| 19:34.01 | pipeline | almost\silent: You will still need space to upgrade |
| 19:34.12 | itchi | To make that lock file |
| 19:34.15 | danielss89 | hii.. ive installed postfix on my etch server... how do i recieve mails for kontakt@damgaarden.eu??? |
| 19:34.21 | pipeline | almost\silent: yes, and if it's a vfat volume, mount with uid=0,umask=000 |
| 19:34.21 | itchi | At least, that was his last error |
| 19:34.26 | Amarande | after building the packages from sid source, I get this - |
| 19:34.33 | Amarande | nvidia-glx_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 19:34.34 | Amarande | nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 19:34.37 | pipeline | almost\silent: I think you will have to find things to delete |
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| 19:34.51 | almost\silent | pipeline, there are no documents |
| 19:34.52 | pipeline | Amarande: You still have to build the kernel-specific module from the kernel source deb. |
| 19:34.59 | almost\silent | all files are system related... on this partition |
| 19:35.07 | pipeline | Amarande: it's easier if you use module-assistant and uninstall all compilers except the one listed in /proc/version |
| 19:35.10 | Amarande | pipeline, the one from 87.76 isn't usable, I suppose? |
| 19:35.15 | pipeline | almost\silent: Tough :\ |
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| 19:35.21 | almost\silent | documents being personal files (windows language : /) |
| 19:35.28 | pipeline | Amarande: Heh, I've actually done that before by accident. I would not recommend it :P |
| 19:35.37 | danielss89 | can anyone help? |
| 19:35.42 | Enverex|LT | Has anyone had issues with the nVidia drivers not actually installing before when they say they have? |
| 19:35.48 | almost\silent | ill look at home tho |
| 19:35.51 | pipeline | danielss89: You won't find out until you ask a question. No mindreaders present, I don't think. |
| 19:36.01 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: Don't use the nvidia installer. It craps all over the filesystem. |
| 19:36.03 | Amarande | ok, so install it as if I hadn't installed the nvidia kernel yet at all? |
| 19:36.08 | almost\silent | nope, home is empty |
| 19:36.10 | danielss89 | hii.. ive installed postfix on my etch server... how do i recieve mails for kontakt@damgaarden.eu??? |
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| 19:36.14 | pipeline | Amarande: You shouldn't use the nvidia installer. |
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| 19:36.27 | Amarande | pipeline, yeah, I know, 87.76 I installed from debs too |
| 19:36.35 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, It's a bit late for that. Anyway the ones in Sid are old (too old). |
| 19:36.41 | pipeline | danielss89: err, well, if you don't host damgaarden.eu, you can't use postfix to do that. |
| 19:36.49 | danielss89 | i do :P |
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| 19:37.08 | almost\silent | pipeline, this system is ONLY a file server, do you know of a few packages I could throw out that ssh, swat, samba dont depend on? |
| 19:37.40 | pipeline | danielss89: Oh, that's much easier then. The postfix default configuration is almost exactly what you want. You just need to configure a relay host to send outgoing mail through, and configure DNS to have an MX record that points to the IP where postfix is running. |
| 19:37.40 | danielss89 | pipeline i do host damgaarden.eu |
| 19:37.56 | pipeline | almost\silent: install deborphan and run deborphaner :P |
| 19:38.07 | almost\silent | what does it do? |
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| 19:38.12 | pipeline | almost\silent: looks for things that you can delete. |
| 19:38.16 | danielss89 | uhhmm pipeline... its already sending emails.. |
| 19:38.19 | pipeline | almost\silent: rather, looks for packages you can delete. |
| 19:38.24 | almost\silent | k |
| 19:38.27 | danielss89 | i just dont know how to recieve mails for mail adresses.. |
| 19:38.31 | danielss89 | and how to check them! |
| 19:38.32 | xingu | pipeline: that essay (unix hater's guide) is laughably stupid. |
| 19:38.38 | itchi | almost\silent: It give you a list of orphaned packages |
| 19:38.40 | xingu | pipeline: the anti-foreword is right on the money |
| 19:38.40 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, If I try and apt-get nvidia-glx then it tells me that nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 is a virtual package and wont install |
| 19:38.46 | almost\silent | what source do I need? |
| 19:38.48 | pipeline | xingu: I'm going to put you on ignore now. |
| 19:38.52 | almost\silent | apt-cache retreives nothing |
| 19:38.58 | xingu | pipeline: and any idiot that uses csh as uid=0 deserves what they get |
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| 19:39.20 | itchi | almost\silent: The package 'deborphan' |
| 19:39.30 | almost\silent | aha |
| 19:39.36 | itchi | almost\silent: But i wonder that you may able to install it right now in this situation |
| 19:39.38 | pipeline | danielss89: Edit main.cf to set the "mydomain" variable. Make sure that there are UNIX accounts for your desired mailboxes. You can add a catchall mailbox if you like. Make sure your DNS has the right MX host. That's it, really :) |
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| 19:40.01 | itchi | almost\silent: How much free have you right now on / ? |
| 19:40.08 | almost\silent | its installed |
| 19:40.11 | almost\silent | how do I use it? |
| 19:40.14 | itchi | almost\silent: You realy not need that much space |
| 19:40.20 | pipeline | danielss89: It's generally a good idea to have a relay host for outgoing mail - lots of small business ISP / residential IP blocks are blacklisted/greylisted what-have-you for outgoing mail :( |
| 19:40.22 | almost\silent | it needed like 1.5mb |
| 19:40.29 | danielss89 | can i check read and send mail with a webinterface pipeline |
| 19:40.29 | mbd | cant seem to get ati drivers to work. the module is loaded, xorg.conf correct.. but no opengl.. tips? |
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| 19:40.53 | itchi | almost\silent: Usually us first start with dpkg -K foo to see where the stuff is installed, read the man (and/or docs) page, then use the stuff :-p |
| 19:41.00 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: You need to build the kernel module first |
| 19:41.03 | itchi | almost\silent: dpkg -L foo |
| 19:41.25 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, Why isn't there a .deb for it? |
| 19:41.30 | foo | itchi: you know, a foo really exists |
| 19:41.36 | azeem | Enverex|LT: which version of debian? |
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| 19:41.41 | Enverex|LT | Sid |
| 19:41.48 | DawnLight | mbd: the packages in the repo are obsolete. google "ati linux driver wiki" and go to the debian page |
| 19:41.54 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: If you use sid you should be able to build a module |
| 19:41.57 | itchi | foo: Yeah, sorry, i again hit you, heh, but it's you, it's you that have choose that foo nick at all :-p |
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| 19:42.12 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:42.12 | mbd | DawnLight: ok |
| 19:42.20 | itchi | !foo |
| 19:42.20 | dpkg | foo is probably probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 19:42.21 | Amarande | hmm, is it safe to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg from X? |
| 19:42.25 | itchi | foo: Agian :-) |
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| 19:42.38 | Amarande | actually, was it safe even to upgrade nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx while in X :| |
| 19:42.39 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: /msg nvidia_post_etch |
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| 19:42.49 | itchi | foo: Never thougth to change the nick? :-p |
| 19:42.54 | danielss89 | hmm pipeline what should relayhost be? |
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| 19:42.57 | almost\silent | and to remove these listed packages? |
| 19:43.00 | almost\silent | apt-get uninstall? |
| 19:43.03 | almost\silent | o_O |
| 19:43.05 | pipeline | danielss89: Your ISP's mail server. |
| 19:43.17 | dvs | almost\silent: apt-get --purge remove |
| 19:43.18 | itchi | almost\silent: People use aptitude now |
| 19:43.23 | azeem | Enverex|LT: because the kernel moves too fast, kernel modules are provided for stable, though |
| 19:43.24 | foo | itchi: You better change yourself before I change me!! |
| 19:43.26 | foo | itchi: ;D |
| 19:43.37 | pipeline | danielss89: keep in mind you need a separate daemon to serve your received mail. courier-imap, for example. |
| 19:43.40 | almost\silent | which should I use? |
| 19:43.44 | almost\silent | apt-get or aptitude? |
| 19:43.45 | grew | does anyone know why i cant install gnome in unstable? I'm getting: |
| 19:43.47 | grew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.53 | dvs | almost\silent: aptitude is the norm now |
| 19:43.54 | azeem | Enverex|LT: well. see http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:43.58 | almost\silent | ok |
| 19:44.00 | itchi | foo: Anyway, you will still get many highlights :-) |
| 19:44.06 | pipeline | danielss89: there are also more sophisticated ways to receive mail than just having local unix users for each mailbox, but I don't really want to go into that. The postfix documentation is pretty clear :P |
| 19:44.12 | foo | itchi: What can I say, people love me |
| 19:44.17 | Enverex|LT | azeem, amd64 |
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| 19:44.32 | Enverex|LT | azeem, and the kernel doesn't move fast... it's still on .18 ffs |
| 19:44.33 | Althaser | someone has nvidia 9755 running with geforce4 ? please |
| 19:44.37 | azeem | Enverex|LT: s/i386/amd64/ then |
| 19:44.38 | itchi | foo: I gona make use of bar, especially for you, but then i gona hit that other one. Buahaha |
| 19:44.41 | azeem | Enverex|LT: it's not |
| 19:44.44 | azeem | unstable is at 2.6.20 |
| 19:44.48 | pipeline | grew: I have a whole bunch of held-back packages for gnome in unstable, so, must be just a bunch of stuff that hasn't made its way from experimental yet. |
| 19:44.54 | Enverex|LT | azeem, It's dodgy and broken |
| 19:45.03 | azeem | Enverex|LT: that's another story, it's unstable. |
| 19:45.07 | grew | pipeline: ok so its just broken in unstable right now? |
| 19:45.32 | pipeline | grew: Yup. |
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| 19:45.39 | almost\silent | I checked the man for aptitude... there is no uninstall |
| 19:45.43 | grew | pipeline: cool, im sure it will be fixed soon |
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| 19:45.48 | foo | Hm, this debian box was saying "Input/Ouput Error" and "Bus error" when I would run commands like sudo, rsync, su... kind of bothersome. Disk wasn't full. I should do a fsck, right? Do I need to do it when the drive is not mounted? |
| 19:45.55 | grew | now if only i could get beryl and xfce to play nice |
| 19:45.55 | jelly-home | what's borken with the kernel in unstable? |
| 19:45.56 | itchi | almost\silent: 'remove' |
| 19:45.57 | dvs | almost\silent: aptitude --purge remove |
| 19:45.58 | almost\silent | ah, remove or purge |
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| 19:46.04 | almost\silent | ok, thanks |
| 19:46.10 | jelly-home | dvs: er, no. "aptitude purge" |
| 19:46.12 | zinx | foo: check ram/etc with memtest86+ |
| 19:46.17 | pipeline | foo: whoa, that sounds like something more serious than damage to the filesystem. |
| 19:46.25 | pipeline | foo: I would pull the disk and retreive the data on some other system. |
| 19:46.26 | almost\silent | difference between purge nad remove? |
| 19:46.29 | foo | zinx: hm, I didn't think about that. That's a good idea |
| 19:46.30 | dvs | jelly-home: really? that sucks! how do I get rid of the config files? |
| 19:46.31 | itchi | almost\silent: 'purge', purge your config files to |
| 19:46.32 | jelly-home | dvs: slightly different syntax from apt-get |
| 19:46.32 | zinx | foo: if that's not it, back up the hard drive. don't try checking it first; try backing it up first. |
| 19:46.43 | almost\silent | ok |
| 19:46.53 | foo | zinx / pipeline: Data is backed up. It's fine now, after a reboot it was fine - that is |
| 19:47.00 | almost\silent | aptitude purge <pkg name> ? |
| 19:47.08 | jelly-home | almost\silent: yes |
| 19:47.10 | almost\silent | k |
| 19:47.10 | itchi | almost\silent: Some time you want to purge, but some time realy not, so pay attention heh ;-) |
| 19:47.12 | zinx | foo: probably cpu/motherboard/power supply/ram |
| 19:47.23 | foo | pipeline / zinx: I did do a badblocks on the drive, that was good |
| 19:47.24 | zinx | foo: most likely ram. |
| 19:47.32 | foo | zinx: Really? Interesting, ok. |
| 19:47.36 | Enverex|LT | azeem, wow... to be honest just downloading and using the nVidia installer is much easier... |
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| 19:47.41 | pipeline | foo: You won't ever see bad blocks on a modern drive. |
| 19:47.44 | azeem | Enverex|LT: whatever |
| 19:47.45 | almost\silent | can aptitude purge multiple packages with a special separating character? |
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| 19:47.55 | zinx | foo: it sounds like it cached part of glibc or something, and it got corrupted |
| 19:47.56 | foo | pipeline: Oh really? Even more interesting :) Hehe. Thanks |
| 19:47.57 | pipeline | foo: modern drives have a resevoir of unused blocks, so when their firmware detects bad blocks, it just 'replaces' them |
| 19:47.59 | Enverex|LT | azeem, Well it beats writing out an assload of commands |
| 19:48.01 | almost\silent | aptitude purge <name>/<name>/<name> |
| 19:48.01 | azeem | Enverex|LT: please recognize that you're using unstable and not entitled to support anyway |
| 19:48.04 | zinx | foo: that would explain rebooting fixing it, anyway. |
| 19:48.12 | pipeline | foo: if you see bad blocks, it means that the drive is failing catastrophically and has burned through all its spare disk area :P |
| 19:48.17 | azeem | Enverex|LT: we're trying to help, but it doesn't work out all the time |
| 19:48.19 | foo | zinx: and glibc getting cached or something would be a result of bad RAM? |
| 19:48.20 | Enverex|LT | azeem, "not entitled to support" I love it, the proverbial finger |
| 19:48.21 | pipeline | foo: if you see bad blocks, it's already too late :P |
| 19:48.29 | foo | pipeline: haha |
| 19:48.37 | zinx | pipeline: not neccesarily.. most won't reallocate the block until either can can read it, or it's written to |
| 19:48.38 | azeem | Enverex|LT: why don't you ask nvidia for support? |
| 19:48.55 | zinx | pipeline: but they will be listed in SMART as pending relocation |
| 19:49.16 | pipeline | zinx: err, so, what I said. |
| 19:49.16 | almost\silent | Enverex, the nvidia drivers are packaged |
| 19:49.18 | danielss89 | pipeline ive tryied to pipe mails to a php script |
| 19:49.24 | danielss89 | ive added this to my alias file |
| 19:49.29 | danielss89 | test@potterskolen.dk: "|/var/www/potterskolen/mail.php" |
| 19:49.29 | pipeline | danielss89: You have to run newaliases. |
| 19:49.37 | Enverex|LT | azeem, Well if Ubuntu is based off Debian and they get a nVidia driver deb out easy enough, what's to stop Debian doing it? |
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| 19:49.46 | pipeline | danielss89: and that mail address is phrased wrong |
| 19:49.51 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.51 | Amarande | :( |
| 19:49.59 | pipeline | danielss89: First, in aliases, you only put mailbox names. (e.g. "test") |
| 19:50.03 | Amarande | is there any way to properly upgrade the nvidia driver -without- having to do a full reboot? |
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| 19:50.04 | danielss89 | oh.. |
| 19:50.08 | azeem | Enverex|LT: uhm, you'r using unstable |
| 19:50.09 | almost\silent | you could probably use the ubuntu source to get the nvidia driver package :O |
| 19:50.13 | foo | zinx: hm, this box also did randomly freeze a while back and a reboot fixed it too. That can probably be contributed to bad RAM, right? |
| 19:50.15 | almost\silent | dont complain if you crash tho |
| 19:50.16 | Amarande | I could not find any way to rmmod nvidia so as to insmod the new one |
| 19:50.18 | pipeline | danielss89: Secondly, your mail server is never going to try to deliver mail for @potterskolen.dk with the "local" transport. |
| 19:50.25 | Amarande | it kept insisting the module was in use even after shutting down X |
| 19:50.30 | itchi | almost\silent: Never try that |
| 19:50.30 | azeem | Enverex|LT: Ubuntu's nvidia is routinely broken in their development version as well |
| 19:50.36 | almost\silent | itchi, ;P |
| 19:50.38 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: quit x - modprobe -r nvidia && modprobe nvidia |
| 19:50.39 | Enverex|LT | azeem, And? The latest ones other than in unstable are 8776 which are ANCIENT |
| 19:50.43 | azeem | in fact, they broke it in their stable version once I think |
| 19:50.45 | pipeline | danielss89: You can edit the transport table to make sure that mail for "test@potterskolen.dk" is delivered via "local". man transport |
| 19:50.51 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: No they are 9755 |
| 19:50.57 | Enverex|LT | almost\silent, Apparently not |
| 19:50.57 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx |
| 19:51.01 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9755-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4115 kB, Installed size: 13072 kB |
| 19:51.02 | pipeline | danielss89: Mail is extremely complicated. postfix is just the simplest server of its kind :P |
| 19:51.06 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, Right, so why exactly do I have to compile them myself? |
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| 19:51.15 | Enverex|LT | Or fire off those scripts to do it |
| 19:51.17 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: Because it's not legal to distribute them pre-compiled. |
| 19:51.17 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: You don't have a working kernel module |
| 19:51.18 | danielss89 | hehe yeah mail is very very complicated :D |
| 19:51.34 | foo | zinx: I think so |
| 19:51.36 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, How does Ubuntu do it? |
| 19:51.36 | azeem | pipeline: they're pre-compiled for stable |
| 19:51.39 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: distributing closed source derivative works of the GPL-licensed kernel is, ahh, NOT A GOOD IDEA |
| 19:51.45 | azeem | Enverex|LT: they do it for their stable stuff |
| 19:51.46 | pipeline | azeem: And that's madness in itself >:( |
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| 19:52.02 | pipeline | azeem: You're ruining my propaganda stunt. |
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| 19:52.54 | Enverex|LT | Ok, then why doesn't the deb compile it as it installs? (I'm pretty sure that's what the Ubuntu one does) |
| 19:53.11 | Amarande | that's what the nvidia-kernel-source deb is about |
| 19:53.13 | azeem | Enverex|LT: because. |
| 19:53.19 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: that's what module-assistant is for |
| 19:53.22 | Amarande | you install it, then you use module-assistant, which builds and installs the deb. |
| 19:53.40 | Enverex|LT | Yes but that means you have to do it yourself, it's something that NEEDS to be done so why isn't it done automatically? |
| 19:53.44 | pipeline | Amarande: Actually, you can use module-assistant straight up, which will install all the other stuff for you |
| 19:53.57 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: You could conceivably have built the driver separately, and now you need your GL libraries to be managed by the package manager, I suppose. |
| 19:54.04 | Amarande | if you want the sid version, do apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers and build the debs |
| 19:54.07 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: Why are there separate nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel packages at all? ;) |
| 19:54.15 | pipeline | Amarande: he's already done that |
| 19:54.15 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, Good question |
| 19:54.23 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: No, it's an incredibly stupid question. |
| 19:54.35 | Amarande | pipeline, probably because the -glx one includes a -dev and the kernel doesn't |
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| 19:54.42 | pipeline | Amarande: No, that's not it. |
| 19:54.44 | Amarande | and the -dev is not used on most machines, because it conflicts with Mesa |
| 19:54.53 | dvs | Amarande: ??? |
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| 19:55.00 | bioubioub | hello |
| 19:55.02 | pipeline | Amarande: nvidia-glx itself writes files that are usually part of mesa *cough* libGL.so *cough* |
| 19:55.03 | almost\silent | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. <--- WTF?? |
| 19:55.06 | dvs | bibidiofidoiuigdi: hi |
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| 19:55.17 | h3sp4wn | !moo almost\silent |
| 19:55.18 | dvs | !apt-get moo |
| 19:55.19 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 19:55.20 | pipeline | almost\silent: Well, it doesn't. What more do you want? |
| 19:55.25 | dvs | !moo |
| 19:55.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:55.33 | almost\silent | well obviously i want super cow powers... i guess |
| 19:55.44 | Enverex|LT | I think I'll just stick to using the nVidia installer, it's cleaner, faster and consists of alot less pratting around |
| 19:55.51 | bioubioub | i installed debian 4.0 netinst or ubuntu and I have the same problem the os is installed but stacked on the grub boot parameter |
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| 19:55.56 | Amarande | alviarin:/home/amarande/debs# dpkg -i nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb |
| 19:55.56 | Amarande | dpkg: regarding nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.9755-1_i386.deb containing nvidia-glx-dev: |
| 19:55.56 | Amarande | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.58 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: Well, have fun when debian tries to install GL libraries and your system is hosed :) |
| 19:56.01 | azeem | Enverex|LT: and it'll shoot down your system even fater |
| 19:56.03 | azeem | faster* |
| 19:56.06 | Amarande | that's what you get if you try to install the nvidia-glx dev |
| 19:56.13 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, and why would it try and do that? |
| 19:56.18 | Enverex|LT | azeem, Why? |
| 19:56.22 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: not really at all (for example to use the nvidia installer with the debian 2.6.20 you need a patch)_ |
| 19:56.24 | azeem | see above. |
| 19:56.25 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: Because it expects your GL libraries to be centrally managed just like every other library on the system. |
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| 19:56.27 | bioubioub | I am running a sata native raid |
| 19:56.35 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: And the nvidia installer just dumps files wherever it feels like. |
| 19:56.38 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: It creates DLL hell. |
| 19:56.43 | Enverex|LT | h3sp4wn, The installer worked fine for me on .20 |
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| 19:57.01 | gameman73 | why is xfce4-session listening on the network? |
| 19:57.04 | xingu | Enverex|LT: let me get this straight, you're pulling non-free drivers from sid and bitching because you then need to compile the corresponding driver source package? |
| 19:57.10 | h3sp4wn | Enverex|LT: with debian 2.6.20 ? (i.e paravirtual ops) |
| 19:57.15 | danielss89 | ahh ive got it to work now pipeline.. now i just wonder.. can i forward all emails to this script and can i recieve emails for more that one domain? |
| 19:57.15 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: of course it works fine. Until your GL libraries are upgraded by the package system and overwrite the nvidia ones :P |
| 19:57.15 | azeem | gameman73: does it listen on the network, or loopback? |
| 19:57.16 | almost\silent | oh wow, I think the upgrade will work... within 1mb of space |
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| 19:57.21 | almost\silent | tight fit |
| 19:57.23 | Enverex|LT | xingu, It seems set up to just take far longer than it should |
| 19:57.30 | gameman73 | azeem: network, an nmap from a computer on the lan picked it up |
| 19:57.37 | bioubioub | can someone help me please :) |
| 19:57.43 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: If you want to use the nvidia installer, use "equivs" to create dummy mesa packages + dummy nvidia-kernel/glx/glx-dev + dummy xmesa packages |
| 19:57.43 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, So you reinstall the nVidia drivers which takes 2 seconds, whoop de do |
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| 19:57.52 | xingu | Enverex|LT: it's relatively straightforward, and the process is documented |
| 19:57.55 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: This is a dumbassed solution. :X |
| 19:57.59 | bioubioub | i think it is not that complicated but I don't now ... |
| 19:58.02 | pzn | Hi. Installing a new machine with debian/etch. network works at install time (auto detected), but at next boot is shows in "dmesg" eth0 but not in ifconfig. "ifup eth0" says "eth0: no such device". any hint about how to fix it? |
| 19:58.22 | almost\silent | plug in your network card |
| 19:58.33 | azeem | almost\silent: was that a joke? |
| 19:58.37 | mbd | still having fglrx troubles. anyone who have it working? |
| 19:58.37 | almost\silent | yes |
| 19:58.39 | Vasistha | pzn: try ifconfig -a |
| 19:58.40 | pzn | almost\silent !!! |
| 19:58.40 | bioubioub | I have some knowledge and I can try in live if necessary |
| 19:58.46 | xingu | Enverex|LT: all you need to do is use m-a to build a new nvidia-kernel-foo package |
| 19:58.47 | azeem | almost\silent: it looked pretty condescending to me |
| 19:58.59 | itchi | mbd: Lenny? |
| 19:59.08 | mbd | itchi: etch |
| 19:59.31 | Enverex|LT | xingu, It's just irritating how Ubuntu is "aptitude install nvidia-glx" where as Debian still has a .deb, but you seem to have to DIY it |
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| 19:59.39 | xingu | Enverex|LT: if you're running sid, you need to be aware that prepackaged, non-free binaries for the kernel-of-the-week aren't necessarily a foregone conclusion |
| 19:59.51 | itchi | mbd: Got some troubles with it recently too, but on lenny, heh, i switched to the 'ati' (radeon) :-p |
| 20:00.04 | foo | xingu: oh, hey, you're back :) |
| 20:00.05 | mbd | itchi: lazy =) |
| 20:00.06 | Enverex|LT | xingu, Kernel of the week? .18 is still set as the default meta package kernel |
| 20:00.18 | Althaser | does anyone run nvidia9755 ? please |
| 20:00.27 | xand | !anyone |
| 20:00.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:00.37 | pzn | the interface was eth0 at etch install, but in the first boot, it is eth1! does anyone explains why? |
| 20:00.37 | blinx | simonrvn: sorry, I installed tetex4ht* but texi2pdf can't find the picins.sty file |
| 20:00.37 | Enverex|LT | Althaser, Ijust installed them |
| 20:00.37 | itchi | mbd: No, i prefer somethings more stable, and honesty, i not use that gfx card at 100% and btw with the radeon one, Beryl works |
| 20:00.41 | xingu | Enverex|LT: what's changed is you've now updated glx to something newer than the last kernel driver that the nvidia package maintainer built |
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| 20:00.50 | almost\silent | pzn, do you have multiple network interfaces? |
| 20:00.52 | mbd | itchi: cool |
| 20:00.54 | xingu | Enverex|LT: shit happens, learn to deal; or go back to etch. |
| 20:01.07 | itchi | mbd: Did you even got Beryl working with the closed drivers? |
| 20:01.07 | gameman73 | azeem: dont know why xfce4-session would be listening on the network? |
| 20:01.08 | mbd | itchi: im i gamer so im kinda stuck with getting fglrx to work.. |
| 20:01.08 | foo | xingu: So, the box came back up fine. |
| 20:01.12 | azeem | gameman73: no |
| 20:01.13 | pzn | Vasistha, "ifconfig -a" showed it as eth1 and it worked when I changed etc/network/interfaces to eth1. |
| 20:01.15 | xingu | foo: that's good news :) |
| 20:01.15 | Althaser | Enverex|LT can you load the module as well ?? |
| 20:01.16 | Enverex|LT | xingu, Never used Etch in the first place. If I wanted to use uber old software I'd use Windows 95 |
| 20:01.17 | itchi | mbd: yup |
| 20:01.23 | Enverex|LT | Althaser, Obviously |
| 20:01.25 | mbd | itchi: yes with xgl a long time a go, on ubuntu 606 =) |
| 20:01.27 | pzn | almost\silent, no, just one interface... |
| 20:01.31 | jelly-home | foo: lucky bastard! |
| 20:01.37 | gameman73 | alright, ill ask my other question, how many ports does nfs use? |
| 20:01.44 | pzn | almost\silent, "ifconfig -a" shows "lo" and "eth1". |
| 20:01.47 | foo | xingu: zinx was saying it could be RAM. Interesting |
| 20:01.59 | zophy | is there a debian commandline tool designed to allow easy use of the scripts in /etc/init.d ? |
| 20:02.00 | mbd | my errors: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so |
| 20:02.00 | mbd | (WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver. |
| 20:02.00 | mbd | bet someone knows the solution =) |
| 20:02.08 | xingu | foo: mmm |
| 20:02.10 | foo | jelly-home: hah, tell me about it |
| 20:02.16 | rcbarnes | I can't find the packages (through google or apt-cache search) that contain the man pages for the standard/common C libraries (like the one for htons, etc.). What are they? |
| 20:02.23 | itchi | mbd: Rebuild your module, see modules-assistant |
| 20:02.26 | jelly-home | foo: try setting up remote syslog to catch possible oops if it happens again |
| 20:02.27 | foo | xingu: Hm, I can reboot and have it do a fsck on the next reboot without my interaction, right? |
| 20:02.29 | mbd | itchi: done it |
| 20:02.40 | foo | jelly-home: possible oops? |
| 20:02.40 | xingu | foo: touch /forcefsck |
| 20:02.40 | jelly-home | !forcefsck |
| 20:02.43 | mbd | itchi: i think i might have the wrong headers or something |
| 20:02.43 | almost\silent | itchi, could I temporarily MOVE a key folder to my flash disk with the same mount point to free up disk space so I can lock the cache err... "W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode" |
| 20:02.44 | Althaser | Enverex|LT here when I try to modprobe nvidia it tells me that geforce4 should use the legacy driver :S do you know something about it ? |
| 20:02.44 | itchi | mbd: T'check the BTS?? |
| 20:02.49 | mbd | itchi: ?? |
| 20:02.50 | xingu | foo: and also set FSCKFIX in /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:03.07 | h3sp4wn | Althaser: I do get 9631 from snapshot.debian.net and use that |
| 20:03.09 | Enverex|LT | Althaser, Yes, use the legacy driver instead |
| 20:03.12 | itchi | almost\silent: The cache file is already there? |
| 20:03.14 | jelly-home | foo: maybe the kernel complained about something, but you couldn't take a look as there was no way to run dmesg |
| 20:03.18 | foo | xingu: And that will not prompt for anything, right? eg. I can do it remotely and then check the logs after it comes up |
| 20:03.20 | itchi | almost\silent: the lock file, sorry |
| 20:03.25 | h3sp4wn | Althaser: there is 3 supported versions now |
| 20:03.25 | almost\silent | dont know |
| 20:03.31 | itchi | almost\silent: Look heh |
| 20:03.36 | mbd | itchi: BTS?? |
| 20:03.41 | xingu | foo: that's what fsckfix is all about |
| 20:03.42 | almost\silent | directory? |
| 20:03.43 | itchi | mbd: /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:03.59 | Althaser | h3sp4wn Enverex|LT but why I can't use the lastest version 9755 and I should use a legacy driver ? |
| 20:04.09 | foo | xingu: w00t |
| 20:04.11 | h3sp4wn | Althaser: because your card is old |
| 20:04.15 | bioubioub | need help please :) |
| 20:04.34 | Enverex|LT | Althaser, As said, your card is old and unsupported |
| 20:04.36 | Althaser | h3sp4wn from now I always have to use legacy drivers ? |
| 20:04.37 | almost\silent | itchi, what directory is the file in? |
| 20:05.03 | itchi | almost\silent: /var/lock/ |
| 20:05.21 | Enverex|LT | Althaser, Yes |
| 20:05.23 | almost\silent | one item: lvm |
| 20:05.38 | pzn | wow! eth0 has 2 macs... one at boot, then when driver is loaded, it changes the MAC! driver is mcp61/amd64 |
| 20:05.38 | h3sp4wn | Althaser: You need 9631 |
| 20:05.41 | itchi | almost\silent: Weird |
| 20:05.49 | Enverex|LT | xingu, I can assume that my video drivers aren't going to auto-update either then... |
| 20:05.49 | Amarande | Just be glad you don't use Windows. |
| 20:05.54 | Althaser | pxii :S thus I have to buy a new one, thanks Enverex|LT h3sp4wn :) |
| 20:05.55 | pipeline | pzn: almost all ethernet cards can change MAC, actually |
| 20:05.59 | almost\silent | Amarande, I resent that |
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| 20:06.02 | Amarande | In Windows, as far as I can tell, there will NEVER be a newer XP driver release than 93.71 :| |
| 20:06.03 | almost\silent | ;P |
| 20:06.04 | h3sp4wn | Althaser: and it is packaged (on snapshot.debian.net) experimental |
| 20:06.05 | pipeline | pzn: the ethernet standards actually mandated that each *HOST* had a MAC address |
| 20:06.10 | Amarande | all releases after 93.71 are Vista only |
| 20:06.12 | pipeline | pzn: and that each card in the host would have the SAME MAC |
| 20:06.13 | itchi | almost\silent: I need to check some things, hold on |
| 20:06.22 | pipeline | pzn: old Sun workstations still behave that way |
| 20:06.30 | Enverex|LT | Amarande, Right, that's how I'm using the 100.xx drivers there |
| 20:06.41 | Amarande | hmm, Enverex |
| 20:06.56 | Amarande | every time on my winbox that I would go to the nvidia site and look for more drivers, all I could find was 93.71, and 93.81beta |
| 20:07.09 | almost\silent | they'll probably port dx10 to XP, private organizations are already doing it... |
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| 20:07.33 | Enverex|LT | Wine is doing DX10 as a Summer of Code project, doubt much will get done though |
| 20:07.44 | almost\silent | Wine should get dx9 working |
| 20:07.52 | almost\silent | fully |
| 20:08.26 | Enverex|LT | That was my comment, heh |
| 20:08.27 | Jester45 | lol i agree 9 first |
| 20:08.33 | Enverex|LT | and 8/7/6/5/4/3/2/1 |
| 20:08.37 | Jester45 | becuase 10 will take even longer |
| 20:08.37 | almost\silent | amen |
| 20:09.10 | Enverex|LT | I was supprised STALKER worked so well though |
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| 20:09.14 | Jester45 | we could always use a emulated windows |
| 20:09.27 | almost\silent | or we could use ReactOS |
| 20:09.31 | Enverex|LT | Jester45, No VMs support 3D properly |
| 20:09.36 | Enverex|LT | and ReactOS is like Pre-Alpha |
| 20:09.44 | almost\silent | yea, but it looks promising |
| 20:09.49 | Jester45 | yea i tried ract and it woudlnt boot |
| 20:09.51 | almost\silent | beta by the end of the year i think |
| 20:09.54 | almost\silent | me neither |
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| 20:09.56 | bhuoko | Hi all |
| 20:10.04 | Enverex|LT | I tried out a QEmu thing of it |
| 20:10.08 | pdf | Hello. Can someone help me personally with setting up chroot jails for each user and the system so they cannot enter in other directories and also a quota for users. 10megabytes? I looked in /etc/fstabs, that is confusing |
| 20:10.13 | pipeline | err, reactOS uses wine for userspace, folks |
| 20:10.16 | almost\silent | I'm going to try to boot it on an older system |
| 20:10.23 | zophy | where is zinf ? |
| 20:10.24 | pipeline | pdf: scponly |
| 20:10.32 | pdf | pipeline: uh what? |
| 20:10.38 | Jester45 | i tried a cd and qemu with and without the accelerator |
| 20:10.45 | almost\silent | pipeline, I don't think it uses wine does it? |
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| 20:10.51 | bhuoko | Hi all |
| 20:10.56 | pipeline | pdf: it's a script that automatically sets up a chroot + shell etc for users so that all they can do is file transfer over ssh |
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| 20:11.04 | Jester45 | its uses wine im not sure how |
| 20:11.06 | itchi | almost\silent: Is there a file in /var/lib/dpkg/lock ? |
| 20:11.07 | pipeline | pdf: the package provides the script, anyway |
| 20:11.09 | pipeline | almost\silent: it does indeed |
| 20:11.12 | Enverex|LT | pipeline, It uses reverse engineered Windows, not Wine |
| 20:11.13 | itchi | almost\silent: Is that a file i mean |
| 20:11.13 | pipeline | almost\silent: all userspace stuff is wine |
| 20:11.25 | Enverex|LT | That's why Wine stays away from ReactOS, possible legal issues |
| 20:11.25 | pipeline | Enverex|LT: You, sir, are not worth my time. I'm going to put you on ignore now. |
| 20:11.53 | pipeline | almost\silent: The kernel itself is the neat bit in ReactOS, since it exposes an NT driver interface. |
| 20:11.54 | Enverex|LT | Ah, so I guess he wont hear me say that I'm a Wine team member, ah well |
| 20:12.01 | almost\silent | lots of files in there itchi |
| 20:12.09 | pipeline | almost\silent: the userspace stuff is wine with an alternative graphics frontend (i.e. not x11drv) |
| 20:12.20 | almost\silent | ah ic |
| 20:12.40 | Jester45 | i know they use wine code some way or another, maybe just to see how they get the windows api to work but they do use some of its code |
| 20:12.42 | itchi | almost\silent: Sure that not other (dpkg) process using it right now? Delete the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock then |
| 20:12.44 | almost\silent | its more built-in than on linux installations though right? |
| 20:13.00 | pipeline | almost\silent: well, it's the only userland. There isn't anything else, just a bootloader and a couple CLI apps :P |
| 20:13.07 | jelly-home | but... does wine work on Windows? :-) |
| 20:13.14 | pzn | pipeline, so the ethernet driver changed the MAC by itself... I did not ask for it... |
| 20:13.16 | Enverex|LT | jelly, Barely |
| 20:13.18 | pipeline | jelly-home: Someone was working on such a port. I don't think it ever worked right. |
| 20:13.31 | pipeline | jelly-home: i.e. wine on cygwin + X11 |
| 20:13.38 | Jester45 | is there a windows version of wine that lets you run linux things? |
| 20:13.41 | pipeline | pzn: pretty weird, but not totally out of the ordinary :) |
| 20:13.49 | Jester45 | is that cygwin |
| 20:13.53 | almost\silent | itchi, its not a file |
| 20:13.56 | almost\silent | its a directory |
| 20:13.57 | pipeline | Jester45: There's colinux, which runs a linux kernel as a userspace process in windows. |
| 20:13.58 | jelly-home | pipeline: I was more thinking replacing windows dlls with wine's |
| 20:14.01 | almost\silent | and its full of services I use |
| 20:14.02 | itchi | almost\silent: Are you sure? |
| 20:14.15 | itchi | almost\silent: I talk about /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 20:14.18 | pipeline | Jester45: cygwin and MS SFU are UNIX programming environments for windows. They are windows binaries. |
| 20:14.19 | almost\silent | oh |
| 20:14.21 | Enverex|LT | You can tell I'm building up an unruly mob of devs by telling them what he said ReactOS is :P |
| 20:14.22 | almost\silent | never mind |
| 20:14.32 | Enverex|LT | *pipeline |
| 20:14.38 | pipeline | Jester45: You can actually run a debian system on top of colinux :) |
| 20:14.41 | itchi | almost\silent: Is that file been there? |
| 20:14.48 | almost\silent | its there |
| 20:14.53 | almost\silent | what should I do with it? |
| 20:15.07 | itchi | almost\silent: Delete it, if no other dpkg proccess use it |
| 20:15.08 | pdf | pipeline: That is very good thank you. but I also would like them to have a 10 mega byte quota and also be able to run "eggdrop" if I allow? So maybe scponly isnt good? |
| 20:15.20 | almost\silent | how can I check if they are using it? |
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| 20:15.40 | Jester45 | what i want is to have native windows support but be based on liunx im not exactly what that would be |
| 20:15.51 | pipeline | pdf: You do not want to give users the ability to run eggdrop. :P |
| 20:15.53 | pipeline | pdf: that's dangerous |
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| 20:16.02 | jelly-home | Jester45: why? |
| 20:16.03 | itchi | almost\silent: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 20:16.03 | pipeline | pdf: at that point, you might as well just give unrestricted shells to your trusted friends |
| 20:16.11 | pipeline | pdf: because you sure as shit aren't going to be able to lock that down meaningfully. |
| 20:16.21 | jelly-home | Jester45: 2003 server is quite decent |
| 20:16.23 | pipeline | pdf: As for quota administration, that's supposedly easy on ext3, but I know nothing about it. |
| 20:16.23 | itchi | almost\silent: (Without 2 space, but that not matters here) |
| 20:16.24 | almost\silent | nothing |
| 20:16.32 | itchi | almost\silent: delete it then |
| 20:16.36 | Althaser | h3sp4wn ahmm ok thanks :) |
| 20:16.37 | pipeline | Jester45: That would be wine. |
| 20:16.39 | Jester45 | i have win2000pro |
| 20:16.42 | almost\silent | its gone |
| 20:16.44 | almost\silent | now what? |
| 20:16.49 | itchi | almost\silent: Looks like you not closed aptitude, the right way(TM) |
| 20:16.50 | pipeline | Jester45: "wine" itself is just a loader that parses windows' binary format |
| 20:16.55 | pdf | pipeline: lol sure as shit haha. |
| 20:16.55 | Jester45 | pipeline: but its not perfect yet |
| 20:17.01 | jelly-home | Jester45: I slapped cygwin and openssh server on it and use it like any other unixy server. |
| 20:17.04 | pipeline | Jester45: And then it comes with a bunch of libraries to provide windows APIs |
| 20:17.06 | Jester45 | yea i know its not an emulator |
| 20:17.14 | almost\silent | itchi, aptitudes been closing randomly because of disk restrictions for like an hour |
| 20:17.16 | pdf | pipeline: Ok so then will they just be able to use the c compilers and everything with scpoinly |
| 20:17.16 | itchi | almost\silent: I first thougth that it concerned your first space trouble |
| 20:17.17 | pipeline | Jester45: It's exactly what you described, though. |
| 20:17.17 | almost\silent | I'm not surprised :P |
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| 20:17.39 | pipeline | Jester45: Another option is Xen, which can run Windows as a sort of guest VM. About the only thing that doesn't work is graphics hardware. |
| 20:17.52 | itchi | almost\silent: Try now again to upgrade that box |
| 20:17.54 | Jester45 | idk what i would want |
| 20:17.58 | Enverex|LT | almost\silent, ReactOS uses a few Wine DLLs but that's all, it's sure as hell not just Wine with a different front end |
| 20:18.19 | Amarande | hmm, anyone know when the next time wine in sid will get updated is? |
| 20:18.53 | almost\silent | Enverex, that's what I thought |
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| 20:19.00 | Amarande | pdf, if you let them use compilers, then they're going to be able to get eggdrops |
| 20:19.07 | almost\silent | itchi, I think I fucked my server |
| 20:19.13 | itchi | almost\silent: How so? |
| 20:19.18 | Jester45 | is there anything that burns iso by defualt? |
| 20:19.20 | almost\silent | ill pastebin all of this |
| 20:19.21 | pdf | what the hell then guys.. why even have a linux system? |
| 20:19.23 | Enverex|LT | almost\silent, The fact that it uses a Windows compat kernel means it couldn't run Wine anyway |
| 20:19.23 | pdf | lol |
| 20:19.34 | itchi | almost\silent: /var/lib/dpkg/lock is a empty file |
| 20:19.44 | almost\silent | the kernel is open source right? |
| 20:19.51 | itchi | almost\silent: Sure |
| 20:19.58 | almost\silent | reactos* |
| 20:20.02 | itchi | almost\silent: ow, you talk about somehtings others |
| 20:20.37 | Enverex|LT | almost\silent, afaik |
| 20:20.40 | pipeline | pdf: If you let them write and execute files, they can do whatever they want :P |
| 20:20.46 | pipeline | pdf: running a shell server is a horrible, horrible thing to do. |
| 20:20.51 | pipeline | pdf: requires constant 24/7 babysitting |
| 20:21.08 | pipeline | pdf: And there's no money in it when you can get a Virtuozzo VPS for $10-$20 monthly from any number of ISPs |
| 20:21.21 | Jester45 | or... a computer thatyou dont care about or what happens to your internet connections |
| 20:21.39 | pipeline | Jester45: cdrecord :P |
| 20:21.41 | pdf | jeez i hate to see what you guys do to people in the real world |
| 20:21.47 | pdf | lol |
| 20:21.55 | pdf | "Hello" ... "Get the hell away from me" |
| 20:21.56 | dave_is_sexy | right, it annoys me that when i become root, i have different user settings. is there anything to stop me deleting the root/home directory and makiing a symlink called home which points to my home dir? |
| 20:22.09 | pipeline | pdf: I've never had to train anyone in the real world. They either show up already understanding this shit, or they do something else and I never talk to them again. |
| 20:22.10 | almost\silent | pdf, that's exactly what I do |
| 20:22.11 | rahul | stoned: HEH |
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| 20:22.15 | pdf | hahaha Alam_Linux |
| 20:22.17 | pdf | oops |
| 20:22.18 | pdf | almost\silent |
| 20:22.21 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Heh, not do that |
| 20:22.24 | Alam_Linux | .... |
| 20:22.30 | dave_is_sexy | itchi: why? |
| 20:22.31 | pipeline | dave_is_sexy: Learn to use sudo, perhaps? |
| 20:22.34 | rahul | stoned: your packages are poop :\ |
| 20:22.41 | dave_is_sexy | people say sudo is bad |
| 20:22.47 | dave_is_sexy | i use su |
| 20:22.49 | pipeline | dave_is_sexy: people are stupid :p |
| 20:22.52 | dave_is_sexy | lol |
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| 20:22.54 | dave_is_sexy | i know |
| 20:22.55 | rahul | stoned: and Symphony X's drummer had a baby on 4/20 at 4:23 HEH |
| 20:22.57 | Jester45 | pdf: i try to not say hello, it makes it a bit hard to tell them you hate them... or better yet just dont talk to them |
| 20:22.57 | pipeline | dave_is_sexy: use sudo, it does exactly what you want. |
| 20:23.06 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Cause you may delete your own stuff to easy that way, if your not that attent |
| 20:23.08 | pipeline | dave_is_sexy: (i.e. runs commands as root inside your current environment) |
| 20:23.12 | dave_is_sexy | er, ok will do :) |
| 20:23.22 | rahul | sudo is good if you want people to be allowed to run commands as root without the root password |
| 20:23.26 | Amarande | basically, even if you had nothing else on the system but gcc and basic libs |
| 20:23.31 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Or do it, you know what your doing heh |
| 20:23.37 | Amarande | they could still download and set up tcl on their home directory and install eggies with that |
| 20:23.44 | almost\silent | I use sudo unless I'm doing troubleshooting |
| 20:23.49 | almost\silent | I'm doing stuff as root right now |
| 20:23.55 | Amarande | and I'm still not sure why eggdrop is so hated, anyway, other than when it's used to run floodbots |
| 20:24.00 | pipeline | pdf, Amarande : You're missing the really obvious/basic bit: If they have write permissions and a shell, they can write any arbitrary executable they want and run it :P |
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| 20:24.14 | itchi | almost\silent: Goes it better now? |
| 20:24.19 | pipeline | Amarande: err, it's a security nightmare for your host, and who the hell wants IRC bots in the first place? |
| 20:24.22 | dave_is_sexy | pipeline: oh, yes well su does that. BUT any program it launces will be sey up with the defaults. I would like it to launch programs with my user settings |
| 20:24.35 | zophy | i think the new field of study in giant nano devices to be very interesting |
| 20:24.44 | Amarande | pipeline, shell hosts these days even end up home to ircd now, let alone bots |
| 20:24.54 | pipeline | Amarande: that's because they have to compete with VPSes :P |
| 20:25.00 | Amarande | though some hosts want you to put down deposits in case you get DDoSed :P |
| 20:25.02 | itrebal | how do you flush the DNS cache? |
| 20:25.05 | Amarande | which really I think is lame |
| 20:25.09 | pipeline | Amarande: it's always more profitable to run VPSes, and even that has almost no profit in it. |
| 20:25.11 | zophy | how can i compile static binary of nano ? |
| 20:25.14 | pdf | pipeline: Ok but I still want to know how to restrict users to their home directories. |
| 20:25.18 | Amarande | since when should the victim pay the fine? |
| 20:25.21 | pipeline | Amarande: Heh, you'll never cover their costs if you're responsible for that, even with the deposit. |
| 20:25.25 | pipeline | Amarande: And you're not the victim, you're the menace. |
| 20:25.26 | pdf | pipline: not just file transfer :{ |
| 20:25.30 | pipeline | Amarande: THEY are the victim. |
| 20:25.32 | almost\silent | itchi, http://pastebin.myrror.net/312 |
| 20:25.44 | pipeline | pdf: scponly is the easiest way to set up a chroot and appropriate shell. |
| 20:25.45 | Amarande | that's as lame as that one site I visit that got charged a $700+ FCC fine because someone hacked their phpbb and installed phishing software in it |
| 20:25.46 | almost\silent | I think I'm screwed |
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| 20:26.00 | Althaser | h3sp4wn sorry but can you tell me the mirror for nvidia-kernel-source 96.31 ? please |
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| 20:26.01 | pipeline | Amarande: And their web host is the victim. They pass the cost along. |
| 20:26.17 | Amarande | pipeline, the point is that the FCC imposed a fine on a server for being the victim |
| 20:26.19 | pipeline | Amarande: Host shit for a while. You'll learn to hate the asshole fuckup customers who screw you in the ass and act wounded when you are angry. |
| 20:26.31 | Amarande | the menace was the phisher/hacker, not the site |
| 20:26.46 | pzn | weird! the driver "forcedeth" (etch/amd64) is setting my ethernet with a different MAC every time that I boot the computer! udev assigns a new eth(n+1) every boot. how to solve this? |
| 20:26.50 | pipeline | Amarande: heh, if one of my customers did that, the contract would not be up for renewal, no matter what the terms. |
| 20:26.54 | itchi | almost\silent: sh*t, you need i little bit more space. Just for that /var/lib/ Anyway, not that much, here on my 'big' system /var/lib/dpkg/ is 88M |
| 20:26.58 | almost\silent | pipeline, switch up your phone greeting... instead of saying "hello" say "goodbye" |
| 20:27.13 | itchi | almost\silent: ... a little ... |
| 20:27.29 | Amarande | pipeline, what should be next, throwing people up on terror charges under USA-PATRIOT because their machines got hacked and had DDoS zombies installed? |
| 20:27.34 | pipeline | almost\silent: nonsense, I don't answer phones :D |
| 20:27.40 | pipeline | Amarande: If your machine gets hacked, whose fault is that? |
| 20:27.40 | Amarande | instead of going just after the actual perps, they go after people who get hacked as if they're just as guilty |
| 20:27.45 | pipeline | Amarande: They ARE! |
| 20:27.57 | Althaser | h3sp4wn ahmm I found it :) thanks |
| 20:27.59 | itchi | almost\silent: Heh, remove the kernel source package? |
| 20:28.06 | almost\silent | itchi, what can I get rid of or move to my flash disk temporarily? |
| 20:28.09 | Amarande | pipeline, so everyone should join hacker groups so they can know all the zero-day exploits before CERT and friends even know about them? |
| 20:28.11 | pipeline | Amarande: If someone steals your firearm and commits crimes, in many states you're criminally liable. There is a reason for that. |
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| 20:28.25 | rahul | a server is not a fucking firearm |
| 20:28.30 | itchi | almost\silent: Dunno heh, deppend of your partitions layout. Is /home on the same partition? |
| 20:28.41 | almost\silent | itchi, can I move critical system files to my flash drive like... /etc/ and then mount the flash as /etc/ |
| 20:28.44 | Amarande | remember, hackers know the exploits often days before the alerts even come out, let alone before a patch is ready |
| 20:28.45 | itchi | almost\silent: Old logs probably |
| 20:28.48 | rahul | if someone steals your car and runs someone over, are you criminally liable for that? |
| 20:28.58 | itchi | almost\silent: No, no system files, or your dead |
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| 20:29.10 | almost\silent | what can I move? |
| 20:29.11 | pdf | pipeline: Ok. so I got and installed scponly through apt-get . shouldnt it start by itself? |
| 20:29.12 | Amarande | and many alerts groups hold back the alerts from all but a select few 'early warning' people for a few days, like banks and such, so they get a chance to fix things before open disclosure |
| 20:29.19 | Amarande | everyone else gets to be vulnerable for longer |
| 20:29.22 | itchi | !tell jum -about root |
| 20:29.22 | pdf | pipeline: am I missing something |
| 20:29.25 | itchi | grr |
| 20:29.37 | pipeline | pdf: It just installs a script and documentation to /usr/share/doc/scponly |
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| 20:29.48 | pdf | ok gotcha thanks pipeline |
| 20:30.18 | Amarande | basically, by the time you hear a security alert, most of the time that exploit has already been used on Light knows how many machines. |
| 20:30.30 | Amarande | should the people who get hacked before the alert sounds get punished for it? |
| 20:30.30 | pipeline | Amarande: Funny, I don't run into that problem. Gee I wonder why that is. >:( |
| 20:30.46 | almost\silent | itchi, I think I might have some packages I can delete, where are the .debs stored? |
| 20:31.10 | pipeline | Amarande: A big part of it is simply not running exploitable software. >:( |
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| 20:31.13 | pipeline | almost\silent: just run apt-get clean |
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| 20:31.20 | itchi | almost\silent: On your key now. But take a look to /msg dpkg freespace to look where space is used |
| 20:31.24 | almost\silent | pipeline, http://pastebin.myrror.net/312 |
| 20:31.26 | Amarande | !root |
| 20:31.26 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 20:31.34 | itchi | !tell jum -about root |
| 20:31.56 | Alarm | although i have installed the nvidia (i think correctly as i see the nvidia logo) , none of the following command exists: nvidia-xconfig, glxinfo, glxgears . is there something more i have to install ? |
| 20:32.07 | pipeline | almost\silent: debs are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives, but deleting the debs in the middle of everything will cause errors anyway. |
| 20:32.18 | Amarande | as for ircd, ircd itself is innocent. |
| 20:32.24 | Alarm | on debian etch |
| 20:32.27 | almost\silent | itchi, the key is not mounted |
| 20:32.31 | Amarande | most strains of ircd have not been much known for having exploitable security flaws per se. |
| 20:32.43 | Amarande | therefore, the phishing/zombie scenario can't even apply. |
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| 20:33.07 | almost\silent | pipeline, its not in the middle, its idel |
| 20:33.11 | itchi | almost\silent: Wel, clean the cache then, check how much space are free, mount the usb key, and upgrade |
| 20:33.11 | almost\silent | idle* |
| 20:33.18 | Amarande | are you going to say that if someone DDoS's your computer, it's your fault, not the terrorist who runs the zombie network? |
| 20:33.31 | Amarande | in that case then nobody should run servers |
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| 20:33.36 | itchi | almost\silent: Tell us how much are free, please |
| 20:33.39 | Amarande | DDoS is an artifact of the nature of IPv4, pretty much |
| 20:33.52 | almost\silent | avail: 0 |
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| 20:33.59 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 20:34.00 | almost\silent | before clean |
| 20:34.06 | almost\silent | should I delete the debs? |
| 20:34.08 | almost\silent | manually? |
| 20:34.10 | almost\silent | rm *? |
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| 20:34.13 | itchi | almost\silent: apt-get clean |
| 20:34.33 | almost\silent | avail 19m |
| 20:34.35 | sobersabre | I'd like to write a DVD remotely, say I am on a linux machine A and I have dvdwriter on the machine B |
| 20:34.54 | dave_is_sexy | i just did "aptitude install amarok, k3b" but amarok is nowhere to be found |
| 20:34.54 | sobersabre | is there a way to write "on the fly" to a remote dvdwriter device ? |
| 20:34.57 | Amarande | sobersabre, bad idea. :) |
| 20:34.57 | itchi | almost\silent: Dunno if that's enought, i think, but asked you to know heh |
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| 20:35.03 | Amarande | that's just asking to get a coaster |
| 20:35.05 | itchi | almost\silent: Mount the key now, and upgrade :-) |
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| 20:35.16 | sobersabre | Amarande is it possible ? |
| 20:35.16 | jelly-home | sobersabre: why not just make a nfs or samba sahre |
| 20:35.21 | Alarm | although i have installed the nvidia (i think correctly as i see the nvidia logo) , none of the following command exists: nvidia-xconfig, glxinfo, glxgears . is there something i missed during the installation ? |
| 20:35.22 | almost\silent | mount the key where? |
| 20:35.22 | jelly-home | sobersabre: *share |
| 20:35.27 | almost\silent | should I delete the lock file too? |
| 20:35.31 | Amarande | Possible, probably, though I don't know the exact method |
| 20:35.39 | Amarande | Practical, definitely not, unless maybe you're on gigabit |
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| 20:35.45 | itchi | almost\silent: Heh, did you not it already 3 times?? :-) |
| 20:35.55 | Amarande | 10/100 LANs just don't have the bandwidth to support DVD burning, do they? |
| 20:35.55 | almost\silent | I've mounted to the archive folder |
| 20:35.56 | sobersabre | Amarande: ok. Thanks. |
| 20:35.59 | jelly-home | Amarande: I routinely burn dvds at 4x over 100mbps |
| 20:36.00 | almost\silent | and ou told me to do it on /var too |
| 20:36.01 | almost\silent | once |
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| 20:36.09 | itchi | almost\silent: If the lock file is there, and aptitude is not running yes. |
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| 20:36.24 | Amarande | jelly-home, I still think you're just asking to get coasters |
| 20:36.24 | itchi | almost\silent: No, i have told you to avoid to do it on /var |
| 20:36.27 | pdf | pipeline: setup_chroot.sh.gz -> i do a tar -zxvf setup_chroot.sh.gz and i get a -> "this is not a valid tar archive" |
| 20:36.32 | almost\silent | k |
| 20:36.34 | almost\silent | mount on archive |
| 20:36.37 | sobersabre | jelly-home: so, I mean your local cdrecord knows that the writer device is on the network ? |
| 20:36.39 | jelly-home | Amarande: nope, it works |
| 20:36.40 | pdf | pipeline: let me try something |
| 20:36.40 | itchi | almost\silent: But only on /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:37.07 | jelly-home | sobersabre: No, I burn on machine B, using files shared from A |
| 20:37.07 | itchi | almost\silent: Cause i not know what you run and i not want that you break some things heh |
| 20:37.08 | mark_s | hi, I am just copiing our files from our old server to our new server. the old server shows after top a load average of 0.24 and is responding. the new server which should be much better shows a load average of 14 and is almost not responding. why is that? |
| 20:37.18 | almost\silent | ok, mounted |
| 20:37.30 | sobersabre | jelly-home: I see. this kinda limits you to something like a cronjob.... |
| 20:37.38 | jelly-home | sobersabre: nope |
| 20:37.49 | sobersabre | how can you know there's something to write ? |
| 20:37.55 | almost\silent | itchi, aptitude update && aptitude dist-update now? |
| 20:38.03 | almost\silent | itchi, aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade** now? |
| 20:38.06 | sobersabre | you need to somehow poll some special source folder... |
| 20:38.17 | sobersabre | for writing... |
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| 20:38.20 | jelly-home | sobersabre: desktop$ ssh burner ... burner$ cd /net/nfs/desktop/some/nfs/share ; growisofs (or whatever) |
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| 20:38.42 | sobersabre | hm... |
| 20:38.45 | sobersabre | OK. |
| 20:38.49 | itchi | almost\silent: Yeah, depend if it's a distribution update or not, but not that bad to do a dist-upgrade when it is not, just is it a bit more severe |
| 20:38.50 | jelly-home | sobersabre: it's a plain nfs share. samba is a bit slower. |
| 20:38.51 | Amarande | pdf: because it's not a tar archive |
| 20:38.52 | pdf | pipeline: even -xvfz dont work |
| 20:38.57 | Amarande | it's a gzipped shell script file |
| 20:39.02 | itchi | almost\silent: gggr s/update/upgrade/ |
| 20:39.04 | mark_s | can someone give me a hint please? |
| 20:39.13 | pdf | amarande: im doing what http://www.aota.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-11588.html says |
| 20:39.14 | Amarande | just gunzip it |
| 20:39.17 | pdf | Amarande: *.gz |
| 20:39.20 | sobersabre | jelly-home: is AFS worth the effort to setup for this purpose ? |
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| 20:39.28 | Amarande | no. .gz is just a gzipped file |
| 20:39.33 | Amarande | tar.gz or tgz is a gzipped tar |
| 20:39.44 | jelly-home | sobersabre: I have no experience with AFS. |
| 20:40.06 | almost\silent | W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 20:40.11 | almost\silent | same error |
| 20:40.12 | almost\silent | lock |
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| 20:40.16 | sobersabre | jelly-home: what would happen if you setup something like rewriteable cd in the dvd writer, |
| 20:40.25 | sobersabre | and share the dvd drive via samba |
| 20:40.41 | mark_s | is it possible to tell the cpu that it shouldn't use 100% for one task? because while I copy no client can connect via nfs to the server because its buisy? |
| 20:40.44 | sobersabre | will this allow to simply paste into the shared resource ? |
| 20:40.54 | almost\silent | 19 mb free on /, 490mb free on /var/.../archive/ |
| 20:40.57 | itchi | almost\silent: Did you been remove that lock file? |
| 20:41.01 | almost\silent | ye |
| 20:41.01 | jelly-home | sobersabre: only if you're using a rw filesystem on the cd. |
| 20:41.06 | sobersabre | ok |
| 20:41.07 | itchi | almost\silent: Sure? |
| 20:41.10 | pdf | Aha... gunzip file.gz |
| 20:41.11 | sobersabre | I see. |
| 20:41.23 | jelly-home | sobersabre: (udf, or set up packet writing) |
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| 20:42.33 | sobersabre | jelly-home: do you think the same thing will work via nfs, I mean export /cdrom mounted ? |
| 20:42.35 | almost\silent | itchi, I PM'd you the bash output |
| 20:42.43 | itchi | almost\silent: Wait |
| 20:42.48 | itchi | almost\silent: Is the file /var/lock/aptitude there ? |
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| 20:42.53 | jelly-home | sobersabre: eh, same thing. |
| 20:42.56 | itchi | almost\silent: That's a lock file too |
| 20:43.03 | sobersabre | ok.... I will try this. |
| 20:43.07 | grew | where does gdm keep its sessions? |
| 20:43.10 | sobersabre | to see if it works. |
| 20:43.10 | itchi | almost\silent: Yeah, pastebing the stuff, not PM it |
| 20:43.11 | almost\silent | no its not there |
| 20:43.11 | grew | i want to modify the default one |
| 20:43.18 | grew | well the xfce one |
| 20:43.19 | jelly-home | sobersabre: but it's not really practical I think |
| 20:43.26 | sobersabre | jelly-home: why not ?! |
| 20:43.36 | jelly-home | sobersabre: since the cdrom needs to be mounted at the time nfs-server is started |
| 20:43.49 | sobersabre | what's the problem with this ? |
| 20:43.53 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 20:43.59 | jelly-home | sobersabre: and cannot be unmounted while nfs-server is up |
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| 20:44.06 | sobersabre | of course. |
| 20:44.12 | almost\silent | itchi, the file is not there |
| 20:44.13 | sobersabre | jelly-home: this is of course. |
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| 20:44.27 | almost\silent | http://pastebin.myrror.net/313 |
| 20:44.28 | jelly-home | sobersabre: well, then you're using it pretty much like any other fixed disk |
| 20:44.33 | pdf | pipeline: Ok I ran setup_chroot.sh ..but after it was done doing its thing, it does nothing. I try to login to my shell again on another pc. and its not locking me down? |
| 20:44.33 | sobersabre | yep. |
| 20:44.37 | sobersabre | ok thanks. |
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| 20:45.05 | itchi | almost\silent: Try to start run just 'aptitude' |
| 20:45.10 | SFNradio | im tring to properly install counter-strike server on etch - im wondering how I make the thing run automatically, as a system service, instead of having to start it manually |
| 20:45.22 | almost\silent | ok |
| 20:45.27 | almost\silent | I have a gui thing |
| 20:45.32 | SFNradio | cn anyone help me out with this? |
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| 20:45.47 | itchi | almost\silent: Yes, it looks that the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock is still there |
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| 20:46.09 | almost\silent | I tried to update |
| 20:46.15 | almost\silent | Apt errors |
| 20:46.18 | apt | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 20:46.18 | Vanpriest | hi guyssomene can help me i have trouble upgrading to kernel 2.6 |
| 20:46.27 | almost\silent | E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partioal is missing |
| 20:46.27 | Vanpriest | i have to do it trough remote SSH putty |
| 20:46.35 | Vanpriest | someone could help me wihtout having a restart freeze.. |
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| 20:46.47 | draga | hello everybody. upgraded my laptop (sid) some hours ago, I hadn't upgraded it for weeks (it had still the etch packages, before the release). Now I can't see videos anymore (or, at least, with the xv overlay). The box that should contain the video gets blue with xine, mplayer, vlc.... I was able to see using the opengl output but it's not the best... my video card is a intel one...any idea? |
| 20:46.59 | itchi | almost\silent: That's not important, he gona create it but on your USB key i think |
| 20:47.03 | itchi | almost\silent: Wait hold on |
| 20:47.09 | almost\silent | i made it myself |
| 20:47.13 | almost\silent | trying again |
| 20:47.32 | grew | can anyone tell me where the gdm file is that starts xfce when i login to gdm? |
| 20:47.36 | itchi | almost\silent: I was going to delete it here and see :-) But like you do it in the other way :-) |
| 20:48.05 | jelly-home | SFNradio: if you know the commands to start and stop the server, make an init script for it. I'd start from /etc/init.d/skeleton and related documentation. man invoke-rc.d, update-rc.d for example |
| 20:48.37 | almost\silent | wow.... all I had to do was make the partial folder on the flash drive |
| 20:48.46 | almost\silent | its working so far, downloading packages |
| 20:48.49 | itchi | almost\silent: + the lock files |
| 20:49.05 | itchi | almost\silent: Cause aptitude got killed everytime |
| 20:49.07 | SFNradio | ok - thank you - i wasnt aware of the documentation for it |
| 20:49.11 | almost\silent | yea |
| 20:49.28 | almost\silent | will the packages install? |
| 20:49.32 | almost\silent | i only have 19mb space |
| 20:49.45 | pdf | pipeline ? |
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| 20:49.55 | itchi | almost\silent: That partial thingy is not so dangerous when you delete it. I far remember that i deleted that once and fixed it easy too. Now you say it mkdir :-p |
| 20:50.26 | itchi | almost\silent: Well, that depend, usually a upgrade will take a bit more space, but not always |
| 20:50.27 | Vanpriest | hi guyssomene can help me i have trouble upgrading to kernel 2.6 i have to do it trough remote SSH putty wihtout having a problem at rebooting. |
| 20:50.49 | almost\silent | Van, use apt-cache search to find it |
| 20:50.52 | almost\silent | then install it |
| 20:51.01 | almost\silent | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 20:51.16 | Vanpriest | i have install the linux imae |
| 20:51.20 | pdf | Where is the userfile located? /etc/users ? |
| 20:51.20 | Vanpriest | but it frozen at restart |
| 20:51.24 | itchi | Vanpriest: Just install the kernel linux image and go go go ;-) |
| 20:51.26 | Vanpriest | i have to email the admin to restart back to2.4... |
| 20:51.38 | almost\silent | ouch |
| 20:51.50 | Vanpriest | by the way how do i ignore dependency program? |
| 20:51.55 | almost\silent | you probably didnt get dependencies or got the wrong kernel |
| 20:51.57 | itchi | pdf: The userfile ? The home directory? /home ?? |
| 20:52.07 | Vanpriest | when i rty to aptitude install, it say i have depend program |
| 20:52.10 | pdf | itchi: No... |
| 20:52.20 | pdf | itchi: user logins |
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| 20:53.16 | itchi | pdf: What do you mean? |
| 20:53.39 | pdf | itchi: the user file. when I add a user, where is it stored |
| 20:54.12 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: i am on 2.4 kernel and i install bymistake a 2.5 and it ask me always to upgrade kernel to 2.6 |
| 20:54.22 | almost\silent | errr... lvm just updated to a newer version with apt-get upgrade... will my lvm setup .. voluems/groups be preserved? |
| 20:54.24 | itchi | pdf: What mean you with 'where it stored'? What stored? |
| 20:54.34 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: i cannot upgrade it eather bcuz it keep saying taat i need tat depend program to conitnue |
| 20:54.46 | almost\silent | Vanpriest, you need to get back into linux on yoru 2.4 kernel |
| 20:54.47 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: it force me to install tat package first |
| 20:54.49 | almost\silent | your* |
| 20:55.01 | pdf | itchi: The user information ... rights..password... |
| 20:55.05 | Vanpriest | i know there a comand to ignore tat case with aptitude |
| 20:55.09 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: do you have an idea |
| 20:55.16 | almost\silent | nope |
| 20:55.27 | almost\silent | I dont do much with linux |
| 20:55.36 | almost\silent | I jsut let it run |
| 20:55.45 | itchi | pdf: /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow |
| 20:55.55 | pdf | itchi: yes thats it thanks |
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| 20:56.14 | itchi | pdf: Pay attention when you edit that stuff heh ;-) |
| 20:56.15 | almost\silent | but once you're up and running, I'd try apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install <proper 2.6 linux image> |
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| 20:56.45 | almost\silent | itchi, the server is upgraded |
| 20:56.50 | almost\silent | it has 9mb free space! :O |
| 20:56.53 | itchi | almost\silent: Cooool ;-) |
| 20:57.09 | itchi | Vanpriest: How did you install 2.5 ? |
| 20:57.19 | almost\silent | is there a 2.5 kernel? |
| 20:57.21 | itchi | Vanpriest: From which galaxy did you fetch it? |
| 20:57.22 | Vanpriest | its libc6 version 2.5 |
| 20:57.30 | Vanpriest | i cannot upgrade or do anythig with apt now.. |
| 20:57.32 | almost\silent | thats a dependency |
| 20:57.43 | almost\silent | not a kernel |
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| 20:57.44 | pdf | itchi im not edited anything trying to setup restricted access so a users cannot enter anywhere else but their own directory.. had to look for the scponly file |
| 20:57.50 | itchi | almost\silent: Can you not install the 2.6? |
| 20:57.53 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: i didapt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-1-686 |
| 20:58.06 | Vanpriest | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 20:58.15 | Vanpriest | and it keep asking me to install tat libc6 |
| 20:58.15 | almost\silent | itchi, oh, no, I'm trying to help Vanpriest, I alredy have the 2.6.18 kernel installed |
| 20:58.22 | itchi | Vanpriest: Wait, that's a sid box? |
| 20:58.28 | frankr | ahh I can't get the touchscreen on this fujitsu stylistic lt c-500 to work.. I found a tutorial which tells me to use the "fpit" driver - my xorg.conf: http://www.pastebin.ca/464985 when I hit the screen with the pen the pointer jumps around the screen :| |
| 20:59.06 | marc0_ | who use debian with xfce? |
| 20:59.06 | Vanpriest | almost\silence got idea how to fix it? |
| 20:59.06 | almost\silent | marc0_ damn small linux |
| 20:59.06 | almost\silent | i think |
| 20:59.08 | itchi | frankr: That's a 'mouse' trouble a thinkg |
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| 20:59.23 | itchi | marc0_: My wife |
| 20:59.35 | marc0_ | uff |
| 20:59.46 | mbd | is there a script or some commands or something to turn iceweasel back into firefox? |
| 20:59.46 | almost\silent | Vanpriest, you're going to have to get the server techs to edit the boot config to boot the 2.4 kernel |
| 20:59.53 | itchi | mbd: no |
| 20:59.54 | sobersabre | ;quit |
| 21:00.03 | sobersabre | portuguese! |
| 21:00.09 | almost\silent | and then reinstall the 2.6 kernel from there |
| 21:00.14 | almost\silent | install 2.6.18 |
| 21:00.28 | itchi | mbd: What did you do? |
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| 21:00.33 | itchi | oeps |
| 21:00.35 | itchi | marc0_: ^^ |
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| 21:00.52 | itchi | marc0_: What did you do? |
| 21:01.05 | mbd | itchi: just edited the .desktop file, but it still has wrong name and icon in task bar |
| 21:01.11 | mbd | oh |
| 21:01.12 | mbd | =) |
| 21:01.14 | peterS | itchi: he used /notice rather than just typing in his irc client |
| 21:01.17 | marc0_ | itchi deleted all panell |
| 21:01.33 | frankr | itchi, what do you mean? |
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| 21:01.41 | itchi | peterS: Thanks for the info, i not know that, i was think of some take over |
| 21:01.55 | almost\silent | anyone know what this is: Unknown error executing gpgv |
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| 21:02.19 | itchi | almost\silent: Get you more info? |
| 21:02.23 | Vanpriest | almost\silent: Iam ALready on 2.4 |
| 21:02.24 | archville | Hi. |
| 21:02.29 | almost\silent | i dont have more |
| 21:02.36 | itchi | almost\silent: Where do you get that? |
| 21:02.39 | Mazingaro | archville: hi |
| 21:02.41 | almost\silent | apt-get update |
| 21:02.47 | Mazingaro | archville: what about imps? |
| 21:02.48 | almost\silent | I'm apt-getting gpgv right now |
| 21:02.53 | itchi | almost\silent: Heh, did you not make use of aptitude ? |
| 21:02.55 | almost\silent | maybe itll fix it |
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| 21:03.05 | almost\silent | i cant use apt-get anymore? |
| 21:03.10 | dave_is_sexy | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:03.10 | dave_is_sexy | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 21:03.16 | itchi | almost\silent: Avoid switchin aptitude with apt-get and any others |
| 21:03.22 | frankr | dave_is_sexy, pastebin please |
| 21:03.22 | peterS | frankr: so I guess you have the xserver-xorg-input-fpit package installed ... did you follow the setserial instructions in 'man fpit'? |
| 21:03.24 | dave_is_sexy | oh, *@! sorry |
| 21:03.37 | almost\silent | same error |
| 21:04.02 | frankr | peterS, No I was following the instructions at this tutorial http://www.neurath.org/stylistic_lt_c500/index.html |
| 21:04.07 | dave_is_sexy | how do i say "yes, please. recover" |
| 21:04.08 | frankr | which tells me to run some setserial commands |
| 21:04.24 | peterS | frankr: well, read 'man fpit' for lots more details. I suspect you may be using the wrong baud rate or something |
| 21:04.43 | almost\silent | ok, I'm rebooting, hopefully it will come back up |
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| 21:05.02 | frankr | peterS, yeah, thanks, that sounds very plausible |
| 21:05.06 | fsteves | uhg im having SO much trouble CrossCompiling this mips based firmware |
| 21:05.37 | itchi | almost\silent: Is gpgv installed? |
| 21:05.55 | almost\silent | yes |
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| 21:06.15 | almost\silent | hmm, tried again, same error |
| 21:06.18 | almost\silent | after restarting |
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| 21:06.21 | itchi | almost\silent: Yeah, i thougth too, like the message come from there. I dunno what the problem may be are |
| 21:06.47 | itchi | almost\silent: Wait |
| 21:06.53 | almost\silent | itchi, http://pastebin.myrror.net/314 |
| 21:07.10 | almost\silent | the irony is, apt-get update was the command that precipitated that output |
| 21:07.14 | almost\silent | -_-" |
| 21:07.14 | itchi | almost\silent: oh, that error |
| 21:07.34 | itchi | almost\silent: Did you apt-get update? |
| 21:07.42 | almost\silent | thats what that is |
| 21:08.01 | itchi | almost\silent: There's a need to install that pgp key too. Did you that? |
| 21:08.14 | itchi | almost\silent: I mean that deb package containing that key |
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| 21:08.37 | almost\silent | don't know |
| 21:08.46 | almost\silent | isn't there a apt-get to make sure I have dependencies? |
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| 21:08.52 | almost\silent | apt-get -f install? |
| 21:10.23 | itchi | almost\silent: Look to /msg dpkg etch gpgv error |
| 21:10.25 | dave_is_sexy | I read from a few sources that the gtk burner aps have buffer underrun problems, and that k3b is the only one which is totally reliable. true? it's just i run a gtk desktop, and it seems to take loads more power to run k3b |
| 21:10.30 | Myelin | What is the path to debian packages, which can be installed manually with dselect from hard disk? I will be greatful if anyone can point me to right direction. Thanks. |
| 21:11.06 | almost\silent | touch the file? |
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| 21:11.43 | itchi | almost\silent: Looks like, dunno, never got that trouble |
| 21:11.43 | almost\silent | k, ill go rip open my hard drive so i can give the file a good touching |
| 21:12.37 | itchi | Myelin: Search you /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 21:13.42 | itchi | almost\silent: Did that fix it? |
| 21:13.45 | almost\silent | lock and partial |
| 21:14.31 | almost\silent | nope |
| 21:14.34 | almost\silent | same error |
| 21:14.54 | solemnwarning | Is there a good way of generating a system backup without the files changing during backup? |
| 21:15.03 | almost\silent | cp |
| 21:15.16 | xand | solemnwarning: from a livecd? :) |
| 21:15.19 | solemnwarning | My server has 2 disks in RAID-1, splitting then rebuilding the mirror would work |
| 21:15.21 | Myelin | itchi: I have done a minimal install. |
| 21:15.38 | solemnwarning | But that would cause my server to fail if the other disk fails during backup |
| 21:15.52 | almost\silent | and the likelyhood of that? |
| 21:16.16 | solemnwarning | Buying stuff for a RAID-1 mirror then splitting it daily is stupid |
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| 21:16.25 | almost\silent | use a tape drive |
| 21:16.26 | solemnwarning | Unless you have 3+ disks |
| 21:16.29 | almost\silent | cheap and huge |
| 21:16.31 | dave_is_sexy | so no-one knows about the burner aps? |
| 21:16.41 | solemnwarning | almost\silent: That won't prevent the fs being changed during backup |
| 21:16.48 | itchi | almost\silent: Look to 7.4.3.10 Known release checking problems of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7 |
| 21:16.58 | almost\silent | use a separate machine |
| 21:17.02 | almost\silent | with another raid |
| 21:17.13 | solemnwarning | How will that help? |
| 21:17.14 | almost\silent | probly raid 5 on that one tho |
| 21:17.19 | almost\silent | back up your drives |
| 21:17.35 | solemnwarning | I want to make a backup of the server filesystems at ONE point in time, not some files at point x and some at point y |
| 21:17.44 | almost\silent | ah |
| 21:17.55 | solemnwarning | Backup storage is no problem |
| 21:17.58 | solemnwarning | I have a box of spare drives |
| 21:18.06 | solemnwarning | But no method of making the backup |
| 21:18.11 | almost\silent | misunderstood you |
| 21:18.14 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 21:18.22 | almost\silent | but I have no idea what might be done to do that though... |
| 21:18.22 | itchi | solemnwarning: Backup files of a give timestamp? |
| 21:18.30 | almost\silent | unless you boot on a live cd or something |
| 21:18.33 | almost\silent | then mount the drives |
| 21:18.38 | almost\silent | and transfer them |
| 21:18.51 | almost\silent | that might work |
| 21:18.56 | itchi | solemnwarning: But nothings guarantee you that the timestamp of a file is right |
| 21:19.09 | solemnwarning | If I get a 3rd disk and add that to the mirror, does mdadm allow me to split disk 3 from the mirror then mount it's filesystems read-only as a backup source? |
| 21:19.12 | plb_ | hrm is there a way to see why something is being held back for upgrading. I'm on sid but policycoreutils refuses to upgrade |
| 21:19.40 | almost\silent | i would add a 3rd disk as a linux boot |
| 21:19.45 | itchi | plb_: Cause of a version conflict maybe |
| 21:19.45 | almost\silent | then mount the raid |
| 21:19.55 | solemnwarning | I don't want the machine down during backups |
| 21:19.57 | almost\silent | and transfer to some directory on another machine |
| 21:20.02 | almost\silent | oh |
| 21:20.04 | grew | beryl is fucking awesome |
| 21:20.10 | grew | i hope it makes its way into unstable soon |
| 21:20.11 | plb_ | itchi: how to fix it? Just wait? |
| 21:20.37 | solemnwarning | I want some way of making a snapshot so I can do an incremental backup daily |
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| 21:20.38 | dave_is_sexy | grew: i want beryl :( how'd you get it? |
| 21:20.38 | itchi | plb_: Heh you run sid heh! I run Etch :-p |
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| 21:20.42 | grew | dave_is_sexy: read the guide on the beryl wiki |
| 21:20.44 | almost\silent | solemn, I don't know |
| 21:20.46 | itchi | plb_: You should know better as me |
| 21:20.50 | grew | dave_is_sexy: what debian are you running? |
| 21:20.52 | almost\silent | why do you want a backup? |
| 21:20.58 | dave_is_sexy | grew: oh. yes i did that. i'm on debian 4 |
| 21:21.04 | grew | im on unstable |
| 21:21.06 | grew | got it working |
| 21:21.11 | solemnwarning | RAID-1 doesn't protect against everything |
| 21:21.13 | grew | using the somewhat stable repo listed on there |
| 21:21.17 | almost\silent | use raid 5 |
| 21:21.19 | solemnwarning | Software can screwup |
| 21:21.21 | plb_ | there is a howto on beryl site for debian |
| 21:21.25 | plb_ | isn't there a repo? |
| 21:21.34 | solemnwarning | RAID-1 is just as safe as RAID-5, but thats just hardware covered |
| 21:21.36 | solemnwarning | Not software |
| 21:21.52 | dave_is_sexy | grew: plb_: i didn't find a repo for debian 4 |
| 21:21.55 | almost\silent | dunno, Only worked with raid once |
| 21:21.59 | solemnwarning | If a program (or me) screws up you need a backup |
| 21:21.59 | almost\silent | and that was to toast it |
| 21:22.00 | dave_is_sexy | ...lots for ubuntu |
| 21:22.01 | plb_ | itchi: nm figured it out sepolgen is broken |
| 21:22.07 | itchi | solemnwarning: That's based on filestamp or the dump feature. See /etc/fstab |
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| 21:22.56 | itchi | almost\silent: Man, do not tell me that you not have a backup plan! |
| 21:23.11 | xand | almost\silent: how will raid protect against something deleting files? |
| 21:23.12 | itchi | almost\silent: Heh, i got a dead hdd this week too |
| 21:23.42 | grew | dave_is_sexy: there are etch and unstable repos |
| 21:23.50 | itchi | almost\silent: And believe it, i was VERY happy of my backup :-) |
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| 21:24.06 | solemnwarning | I might get a 3rd disk as a disk to drop from the mirror when I run backup |
| 21:24.24 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can mount a filesystem thats inside a Linux software RAID fs? |
| 21:25.07 | xand | solemnwarning: I think you can just mount it if it's raid 1 |
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| 21:25.23 | solemnwarning | Isn't there some stuff in the RAID fs containing RAID info? |
| 21:25.57 | xand | or just start it with just one half |
| 21:26.02 | itchi | solemnwarning: Yeah, like the hdd hardware id |
| 21:26.25 | itchi | solemnwarning: But i dunno if it is on the fs level, i thought it was deeper |
| 21:26.26 | xand | that reminds me... one of the raid 1 disks that contains /home on my server is dead |
| 21:26.34 | xand | it's been running on one disk for a few weeks |
| 21:26.36 | xand | grr |
| 21:27.05 | itchi | Hdd's of these days are big crap :-s |
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| 21:27.35 | itchi | But we write/read much more now too |
| 21:27.50 | almost\silent | itchi, any idea how to solve the apt-get update problem? |
| 21:27.58 | grendal_prime | is there some sort of integrated chat client in kdesktop? |
| 21:28.12 | grendal_prime | looks like there is a ktalkd..but..i mean where is the client for this? |
| 21:28.35 | itchi | almost\silent: Is your time and date ok? |
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| 21:28.56 | itchi | grendal_prime: dpkg -L foo ?? |
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| 21:29.05 | grendal_prime | itchy ya i tried that |
| 21:29.56 | foo | itchi: :D |
| 21:30.07 | itchi | foo: Man, i forget you always :-p |
| 21:30.19 | foo | hehe |
| 21:30.30 | Drgb | yo people, I have just uninstalled beryl and emerald to install new versions, but when I run apt-get install beryl I just find aquamarine as window decorator. I don't know if this is the right place to ask, anyway, do you know any possible reason why emerald would have disappeared from my package list? |
| 21:31.02 | almost\silent | how do I set the time and date? |
| 21:31.14 | itchi | foo: Bah, foo is so common, you know, foo is already that hard for some, and if i gona use baz or whatever other metasyntactic variable, people may much more frustrated :-s |
| 21:31.26 | solemnwarning | ooh |
| 21:31.34 | solemnwarning | LVM supports creating snapshots |
| 21:31.39 | itchi | almost\silent: It it far wrong? |
| 21:31.45 | Drgb | almost\silent, if you have a GUI, run as root time-admin |
| 21:31.50 | foo | itchi: It's ok, I am formally giving you permission to use me. |
| 21:31.59 | itchi | foo: hehe :-) |
| 21:32.01 | almost\silent | drgb, cli only |
| 21:32.22 | Drgb | man date |
| 21:32.31 | Drgb | it should be the right thing I suppose |
| 21:32.47 | almost\silent | is there a way to autosynch with a server? |
| 21:32.53 | Drgb | ntpdate |
| 21:32.53 | almost\silent | by selecting time zone? |
| 21:33.02 | itchi | almost\silent: date --help |
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| 21:33.10 | itchi | prophile: boe |
| 21:33.15 | itchi | !tell prophile about root |
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| 21:35.22 | mbd | !gksu |
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| 21:36.05 | mbd | im having trouble with the gksu package i think. regardless of password, it fails |
| 21:36.25 | itchi | mbd: How do you use it? |
| 21:36.44 | mbd | justr trying to use gdebi or system>login window |
| 21:36.55 | itchi | mbd: Give you been the pass of root? |
| 21:37.33 | xand | !confuse itchi |
| 21:37.33 | dpkg | No, those was your pineapple today, itchi? pants of the republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 21:40.18 | mbd | itchi: i have tried both root pass and user pass |
| 21:40.42 | itchi | mbd: Did you gksu working before? |
| 21:40.48 | itchi | get* |
| 21:40.52 | mbd | no, not since install |
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| 21:41.06 | unix_infidel | Anyone here happen to know of a website that does cost savings analysis for an "85 Plus" Power supply? |
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| 21:41.11 | itchi | mbd: The usage is gksu whatever_app |
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| 21:41.24 | unix_infidel | eg if i buy a 50 dollar "85 +" power supply, i will get that money back in X number of months. |
| 21:41.26 | mbd | i know, but it wont accept any password or so it seems |
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| 21:41.42 | Ankman | what besides nfs and samba can i use to export a file system or part of from one machine to another? |
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| 21:41.56 | itchi | Ankman: shfs?? |
| 21:42.01 | unix_infidel | if my average usage is Y number of hours at Z number of KwHR |
| 21:42.19 | Ankman | itchi: how can i find out if i have this? |
| 21:42.34 | Ankman | i cannot load any mdules or even lsmod. is a vserver |
| 21:42.35 | mbd | fixed it |
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| 21:42.49 | Ankman | that's why the kernel seems not to have nfs |
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| 21:43.00 | Ankman | there's not even a vmlinux on it LOL |
| 21:43.00 | almost\silent | itchi, I dont get how to change the time |
| 21:43.03 | itchi | Ankman: Anyway, it's not default, cause you need to install the sources and build the module with modules-assistant |
| 21:43.04 | almost\silent | -_-" |
| 21:43.17 | wired_ | I was playing a game of tremulous and it crashed, and my mouse is still acting like tremulous has it grabbed. is there someway I can reset the mouse without restarting x? |
| 21:43.18 | Ankman | that i can also forget |
| 21:43.35 | itchi | almost\silent: date [-u|--utc|--universal] [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]] ie. date 04292337 |
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| 21:43.46 | Jester45 | can anyone tell me how to reset root's passwored |
| 21:43.58 | petemc | !irfp |
| 21:44.02 | almost\silent | itchi, how do I synchronize it so that it's not off by X seconds? |
| 21:44.02 | petemc | gah |
| 21:44.08 | petemc | !ifrp |
| 21:44.08 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 21:44.39 | itchi | Ankman: Install first module-assistant if not yet already, then run module-assistant and select shfs in that list |
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| 21:44.51 | Alarm | hey. tvtime uses for the volume the input "Line" for the volume. the point is that my tv tuner turns up and down the volume from the "Aux" input. does anyone know if i can set the aux as the output for tvtime so that i can increase/decriese the volume from tvtime and not kmix ? |
| 21:44.52 | itchi | almost\silent: ntpdate |
| 21:45.15 | itchi | almost\silent: Look to /msg dpkg ntpdate |
| 21:46.00 | Jester45 | YEA i got my root back |
| 21:46.26 | nyty | hi |
| 21:46.33 | Jester45 | thanks a bunch |
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| 21:46.39 | nyty | can somebode help me in query with compiling kernel ? please too much, i have same problems ever |
| 21:46.54 | almost\silent | 29 Apr 18:46:17 ntpdate[2843]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 21:47.07 | berkel | sorry...how many cd i must download for have gnome - postfix - apache mysql and few app for server? |
| 21:47.13 | Jester45 | is there a update manger like in ubuntu? |
| 21:47.18 | berkel | or best chose is net install? |
| 21:47.27 | almost\silent | jester, aptitude does the trick |
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| 21:47.38 | Jester45 | i liked ubuntus |
| 21:47.45 | almost\silent | me too |
| 21:47.46 | Jester45 | becuase i like clicking things |
| 21:47.54 | almost\silent | but I'm not using a desktop linux system |
| 21:47.58 | almost\silent | too much work |
| 21:48.18 | almost\silent | for now I'm desktop-windows server-linux |
| 21:48.58 | Dave2 | wired_, http://icculus.org/lgfaq/#umouse |
| 21:49.13 | abrotman | berkel: probably just the first CD .. but servers don't run gnome |
| 21:49.41 | Jester45 | almost\silent: its not that much work after you learn what packages are needed for what |
| 21:49.56 | itguru | Has anyone had any luck getting the brother MFC-7420 working with debian? |
| 21:50.10 | Jester45 | multimedia is the most common problem but most easily fixed |
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| 21:50.58 | almost\silent | I fixed multimedia |
| 21:51.04 | almost\silent | I did all that |
| 21:51.08 | almost\silent | sound/etc |
| 21:51.09 | itchi | Jester45: There are GUI tools like synaptic, kpackage and many many more |
| 21:51.55 | almost\silent | ubuntu uses synaptic doesnt it? |
| 21:51.57 | abrotman | berkel: please don't message me |
| 21:52.03 | abrotman | berkel: it is possible .. it's just not normal |
| 21:52.12 | berkel | ah ok |
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| 21:52.28 | berkel | there are problem if i use net install? |
| 21:52.32 | almost\silent | :P jkjk abrot |
| 21:52.36 | RA3OR | haa |
| 21:52.43 | RA3OR | deleted by anti-virus |
| 21:52.45 | RA3OR | mo-fo |
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| 21:52.50 | RA3OR | ops |
| 21:52.53 | RA3OR | wrong chan |
| 21:53.02 | abrotman | berkel: no .. should work fine |
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| 21:53.33 | xand | how do I tell debian the system clock isn't GMT? |
| 21:53.34 | alexIdoia | what happens if I remove all orphaned package ? I mean what I understand is that they are no longer maintained right ? but should I remove them or do I still use it ? |
| 21:53.56 | alexIdoia | xand, look at ntp package |
| 21:54.03 | xand | alexIdoia: no |
| 21:54.17 | xand | that won't help. |
| 21:54.21 | xand | I don't want to set the clock |
| 21:54.22 | alexIdoia | ok then |
| 21:54.39 | berkel | abrotman: last questions...there are apache2 and php5? what version of gnome? |
| 21:54.52 | abrotman | in etch? 2.14 |
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| 21:54.58 | xand | alexIdoia: if I do that, it'd set my rtc to be an hour slow |
| 21:55.05 | xand | abrotman: you must know! |
| 21:55.13 | abrotman | xand: i must ? |
| 21:55.13 | alexIdoia | *how do I tell debian the system clock isn't GMT* sounded like you wanted to *set yourclock* |
| 21:55.17 | frankr | I have a prism 2.x compatible pcmcia 802.11b card - how do I get this to connect to networks? some need authentication |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | frankr: iwconfig |
| 21:55.31 | xand | alexIdoia: I don't see how you figure that |
| 21:56.05 | alexIdoia | nevermind |
| 21:56.16 | simmerz | will etch run a 2.4 kernel happily or not really? |
| 21:56.21 | xand | abrotman: yes you must :( |
| 21:56.25 | xand | simmerz: no |
| 21:56.33 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:56.37 | simmerz | xand: ok |
| 21:56.49 | xand | I can't (I think) set the clock to GMT, or windows would be unhappy |
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| 21:57.21 | frankr | abrotman, do I need a driver/module? |
| 21:57.47 | abrotman | frankr: mine is orinico/hermes/orinoco_pci .. and it all worked out of the box |
| 21:58.55 | jazbo2185 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.03 | abrotman | jazbo2185: i remember one being a lot easier .. because i'm an old fart .. i can't remember which :) |
| 22:00.17 | frankr | Also I need to run some setserial commands on startup for my tablet input.. where should I put those? |
| 22:00.25 | abrotman | bootmisc.sh |
| 22:00.34 | abrotman | or write your own script |
| 22:01.00 | pdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.12 | abrotman | how many xterms are open ? |
| 22:01.13 | xand | pdf: what does? |
| 22:01.23 | pdf | xand, uptime module |
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| 22:01.39 | frankr | abrotman, what pkg is iwconfig in |
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| 22:01.42 | pdf | abrotman.. none |
| 22:01.46 | pdf | only the gui |
| 22:02.04 | xand | things like gnome-terminal count |
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| 22:02.47 | pdf | xand: ok. i just logged off the gui. it still says 4 |
| 22:02.49 | Vyrus001 | having some problems with a kernel build... anybody ever get errs like the falowing on bootup? "Waiting 1 seconds for /sys/block/sda/dev to show up" |
| 22:03.21 | abrotman | !find iwconfig etch |
| 22:03.27 | Jester45 | how can i remove all gnome things, i want to keep the Xserver but i dont want gnome as DE |
| 22:03.32 | xand | pdf: look at finger to see more detals |
| 22:03.35 | xand | +i |
| 22:03.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (3): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.2-dev-1/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 22:03.43 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 22:03.43 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 22:03.52 | abrotman | frankr: wireless-tools |
| 22:04.06 | xand | abrotman: it seems I have to edit /etc/default/rcS |
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| 22:04.36 | Alarm | hey. tvtime uses for the volume the input "Line" for the volume. the point is that my tv tuner turns up and down the volume from the "Aux" input. does anyone know if i can set the aux as the output for tvtime so that i can increase/decriese the volume from tvtime and not kmix ? |
| 22:04.42 | Jester45 | !install gnome |
| 22:04.42 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 22:04.59 | pdf | xand: can i paste it to you the results in message? |
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| 22:06.13 | itchi | Alarm: Do you have a cable on the line out of your tv card to the line in of the sound card? |
| 22:06.18 | xand | pdf: in a pastebin |
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| 22:06.40 | Alarm | yes |
| 22:06.43 | frankr | abrotman, alright, I got it and it detects my card, how do I associate it with an AP? |
| 22:07.00 | JordiGH | My gdb ignores breakpoints inside C++ constructors. Is the version in unstable better? |
| 22:07.04 | itchi | Alarm: So the aux should not matter |
| 22:07.11 | abrotman | frankr: man iwconfig ... it's spelled otu for you |
| 22:07.27 | Alarm | well, still , on kmix that is the one that controls the volume |
| 22:07.58 | Alarm | and when increasing/decriesing the volume from tvtime, i see the "Line" input button going up and down |
| 22:08.12 | xand | next question is... what command will tell me the system clock's date instead of what "date" says? |
| 22:08.20 | Alarm | and i dont see anything in the settings of it to configure the audio input/output |
| 22:08.23 | abrotman | hwclock |
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| 22:08.46 | RIsa1 | someone tell me why all debian packages use OSS by default? |
| 22:08.51 | pdf | xand: it will be a cold day in hell before i let someone see my private information :[ |
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| 22:09.05 | JordiGH | RIsa1: Huh? They don't. ALSA is what they should be using. |
| 22:09.13 | xand | pdf: fine message it then, i dont care |
| 22:09.27 | pdf | xand: i wasnt being mean lol |
| 22:09.27 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: most of the precompiled packages I have seen are all OSS |
| 22:09.39 | JordiGH | RIsa1: Which one? That's odd. |
| 22:09.43 | xand | pdf: you could just edit your name out or whatever |
| 22:09.56 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: take neverball or ppracer as example |
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| 22:09.58 | itchi | Alarm: Where do you see him up and down? |
| 22:10.07 | Alarm | kmix |
| 22:10.17 | itchi | Alarm: That looks to work right |
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| 22:10.34 | Alarm | well ti works right. but the volume doesnt tune down or up |
| 22:10.49 | JordiGH | RIsa1: Meh, my neverball is using ALSA, and I didn't do anything to it for it to do that. |
| 22:10.59 | Alarm | i have to do it from the kmix , from the master or aux scroll button. as it doesnt from the tvtime |
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| 22:11.41 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: and looking at the default kernel ALSA isn't even compiled in |
| 22:11.51 | itchi | Alarm: What about alsamixer? |
| 22:12.13 | JordiGH | RIsa1: Huh? That's really odd. Are you sure? |
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| 22:12.25 | Alarm | itchi, i found something: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html#tvout |
| 22:12.44 | Alarm | sorry, here: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html#audioconnect |
| 22:12.51 | Alarm | coud this be something to help me ? |
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| 22:12.59 | Alarm | why to try alsamixer ? |
| 22:13.10 | pdf | xand: http://paste.debian.net/26807 |
| 22:13.11 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: quite |
| 22:13.25 | JordiGH | RIsa1: With etch, of course? |
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| 22:13.57 | itchi | Alarm: I may ask, why kmix ? :-p |
| 22:14.09 | Alarm | cause thats what i always used |
| 22:14.10 | itchi | Alarm: I dunno about kmix, that's is :-) |
| 22:14.17 | Alarm | the problem is not kmix |
| 22:14.24 | frankr | abrotman, ok I tried sitting next to my ap and putting in all the settings manually but it still didn't actually connect |
| 22:14.31 | Alarm | it is on tvtime. its not a problem actually. i just cant change the output |
| 22:14.39 | Alarm | from "Line" to "Aux" |
| 22:14.48 | xand | pdf: that looks like you're logged in on two text-mode consoles (not in X), as well as on X and also via ssh |
| 22:14.58 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: yes |
| 22:15.09 | Alarm | so when inc/decreasing the volume from tvtime app. the volume to change also |
| 22:15.15 | abrotman | frankr: iwlist <interface> scanning .. see your PA ? |
| 22:15.16 | abrotman | AP ? |
| 22:15.27 | pdf | xand: Who do I shoot to kill? |
| 22:15.36 | xand | pdf: what? |
| 22:15.40 | xand | abrotman: you must know! |
| 22:15.43 | pdf | xand: Who do I disconnect |
| 22:15.46 | itchi | Alarm: Btw, can you start tvtime over ssh? |
| 22:15.50 | frankr | abrotman, it says Interface doesn't support scanning: network is down |
| 22:15.51 | frankr | wtf |
| 22:15.53 | xand | pdf: for what purpose? |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | frankr: try another interface |
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| 22:16.03 | Alarm | console |
| 22:16.06 | JordiGH | RIsa1: Let's ask the question to the floor again. I guess you're right; I thought I was using ALSA, but I'm seeing OSS now. |
| 22:16.18 | pdf | xand: its obviously taking space/bandwidth, ? |
| 22:16.18 | Alarm | sure |
| 22:16.20 | Alarm | it starts |
| 22:16.26 | xand | pdf: erm... no |
| 22:16.29 | frankr | abrotman, ethernets say Interface doesn't support scanning |
| 22:16.33 | frankr | eth3 and eth4 |
| 22:16.38 | RIsa1 | JordiGH: ;) |
| 22:16.48 | xand | pdf: insignificant amounts of memory maybe. |
| 22:16.50 | frankr | eth5 is the wireless which responds Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 22:16.51 | frankr | o_O |
| 22:16.52 | itchi | Alarm: Get you not an error? I have never got tvtime working remotely :-( |
| 22:16.57 | Alarm | not at all |
| 22:17.11 | xand | itchi: you speak like that guy out of star wars :) |
| 22:17.15 | Alarm | i also get a nice messege on quit: Thank you for using tvtime. |
| 22:17.22 | abrotman | frankr: are you sure that's the wifi ? |
| 22:17.35 | itchi | xand: You told me that already, right? |
| 22:17.42 | xand | itchi: maybe |
| 22:17.59 | frankr | abrotman, yeah, running iwconfig eth5 says IEEE 802.11b and says the nickname is Prism 1, mode is managed, frequency, AP, bit rate, etc |
| 22:18.00 | itchi | xand: Yes, i'm Yoda :-p |
| 22:18.06 | frankr | goes through link qual signal level and noise level too |
| 22:18.10 | itchi | xand: At least some legal cp :-p |
| 22:18.20 | xand | err |
| 22:18.33 | abrotman | frankr: all i did was put my important bits in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:18.47 | Alarm | itchi, you got tvtime installed ? |
| 22:19.27 | Alarm | itchi, look at the man page of tvtime what i found: http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3350 |
| 22:19.41 | frankr | abrotman, for eth3 and eth4 I have allow-hotplug ethx and iface ethx inet dhcp should I have those for eth5 the wireeless? |
| 22:19.47 | pdf | xand: Ok.. maybe this might help. how do i close windowsx |
| 22:19.53 | pdf | xand: without shutting the system down |
| 22:19.57 | abrotman | frankr: if it's pcmcia probably |
| 22:20.09 | frankr | abrotman, it is |
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| 22:20.31 | frankr | Also I need to run some setserial commands on startup for my tablet input.. where should I put those? |
| 22:20.49 | itchi | Alarm: I had that working for long time, but the hdd of that box have die this week, i not yet have re setup my tv card |
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| 22:21.10 | Alarm | i see |
| 22:21.20 | Alarm | did u see the man page i pasted ? |
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| 22:21.55 | itchi | Alarm: yup |
| 22:22.11 | Alarm | could this be something about it ? |
| 22:22.16 | Alarm | to start tvtime with |
| 22:22.29 | JordiGH | If upstream is already aware of a bug, is there any point in submitting the bug to the Debian BTS too? |
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| 22:22.40 | itchi | Alarm: Looks like, but i thought Line was the default use, like noted (defaults to /dev/mixer:line) |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | JordiGH: so others can see it .. note the upstream also |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: IMO anyways :) |
| 22:23.10 | Alarm | thats the default . but thats not what i want |
| 22:23.18 | Alarm | as line doesnt control any volume at all |
| 22:23.23 | itchi | Alarm: hhhm, maybe have you more than one Line inputs? |
| 22:23.33 | Alarm | could be :) |
| 22:23.37 | Alarm | wish i knew |
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| 22:23.45 | mystic_source | Hello |
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| 22:23.56 | JordiGH | abrotman: Ok. I'll submit it. It's not yet reported. Odd, seeing how it's actually a rather common bug. |
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| 22:24.04 | JordiGH | I mean, something that's easy to run across. |
| 22:24.08 | itchi | Alarm: Heh, look :-p |
| 22:24.22 | Alarm | starting with an argument would be -x --mixer:/dev/mixer:vol |
| 22:24.29 | Alarm | or i did understand the manual wrong |
| 22:25.05 | itchi | Alarm: Should it not be tvtime -x --mixer:/dev/mixer:line1 ? |
| 22:25.18 | Alarm | lets try |
| 22:25.25 | mystic_source | i can`t find some place that have skins to xmms2 :x or the xmms2 only work frm terminal? |
| 22:25.27 | itchi | Alarm: Cause vol, is the main volume |
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| 22:25.48 | Alarm | mixer: Can't open device --mixer, mixer volume and mute unavailable. |
| 22:26.25 | Alarm | although there was sound playing but the volume not configurable :) |
| 22:26.25 | itchi | Alarm: And are you sure the cable is in the good sound card input? |
| 22:26.37 | Alarm | yeap. else it wouldnt work under windows or kubuntu either |
| 22:26.38 | JordiGH | Uh, how do you see the upstream changelog of a package, not the Debian changelog? Without installing the package, of course. |
| 22:26.46 | azeem | JordiGH: you don't |
| 22:26.52 | JordiGH | azeem: :-( |
| 22:27.02 | azeem | JordiGH: well, get the upstream location from the copyright (which is available) and look there |
| 22:27.13 | itchi | Alarm: Try with line2, line3, whe never know heh. But i wonder |
| 22:27.15 | Alarm | cannot open device --mixer... |
| 22:27.32 | itchi | Alarm: What did you put for DEVICE ? |
| 22:27.36 | Alarm | could it be that the arguments in the command are wrong written ? |
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| 22:27.55 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~$ tvtime -x --mixer:/dev/mixer:line1 |
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| 22:28.37 | itchi | Alarm: remove -x |
| 22:28.39 | Alarm | mixer: No such mixer channel '/dev/mixer:line1', using channel 'line'. |
| 22:28.43 | Alarm | oh ok |
| 22:28.56 | itchi | Alarm: try with also --mixer:/dev/mixer:video |
| 22:29.01 | itchi | gggrr |
| 22:29.08 | itchi | I need to sleep soo! |
| 22:29.14 | itchi | Look ^ :-p |
| 22:29.34 | Alarm | do so. i will try here |
| 22:29.46 | Alarm | now no error messege , i will try all of them one by one :) |
| 22:29.47 | Alarm | thanks :) |
| 22:31.00 | Alarm | strange . line1-2-3 , vol control all the same thing in kmix :) |
| 22:32.04 | solemnwarning | I'm thinking about getting a tape drive for my server as a backup drive |
| 22:32.27 | solemnwarning | Would it be better to do a full backup daily or an incremental backup? |
| 22:32.42 | solemnwarning | And whats the best utility for each? |
| 22:32.51 | itchi | solemnwarning: Weekly a full backup, and each day incremental |
| 22:33.13 | itchi | solemnwarning: Once a month, toast a CD. That's how i proceed |
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| 22:33.49 | solemnwarning | What program do you use for backups? |
| 22:33.52 | solemnwarning | tar? rsync? |
| 22:33.55 | itchi | solemnwarning: Bash |
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| 22:34.00 | itchi | solemnwarning: Yeah, tar |
| 22:34.12 | itchi | solemnwarning: A dumb script |
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| 22:34.34 | solemnwarning | If you do incremental backups daily on tape don't you need to keep switching tape during backup? |
| 22:34.36 | itchi | solemnwarning: Wait, need to find that 'inspired site' |
| 22:34.48 | itchi | solemnwarning: Depend of the size heh |
| 22:34.55 | solemnwarning | The last backup in a week would need the tape to be changed 6 times, right? |
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| 22:35.10 | pmvalente | hello |
| 22:35.29 | itchi | solemnwarning: oh, that way. It's a timestamp bassed backup plan |
| 22:35.40 | solemnwarning | Ah |
| 22:35.53 | solemnwarning | It copies files where the timestamp has changed and keeps a timestamp on disk? :) |
| 22:35.56 | pmvalente | I must know wich driver did my usb wireless lan card use for wpa_supplicant, wich command do I use? |
| 22:35.58 | tziku | hello, i have my network set to DHCP. How can i stop internet acces and leave server to be accesed only from network ? (if i modify in /etc/resolv.cof after some time my server is back). |
| 22:36.05 | itchi | solemnwarning: yup |
| 22:36.33 | solemnwarning | So your script needs to find all fils/dirs on disk and copy where timestamp in database isn't the same? |
| 22:36.35 | itchi | solemnwarning: That's not that secure, cause timestamp may be sad sometimes heh, you know, when your clock is not right; your screwed |
| 22:36.58 | solemnwarning | Could you paste your backup script? |
| 22:37.13 | itchi | solemnwarning: Wait, i'm searching the sources ;-) |
| 22:37.27 | solemnwarning | ^^ |
| 22:37.37 | itchi | solemnwarning: http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap29sec306.html |
| 22:37.39 | solemnwarning | What sort of tape drive do you use? |
| 22:38.10 | itchi | solemnwarning: Is the link dead too? |
| 22:38.15 | solemnwarning | yes |
| 22:38.19 | solemnwarning | Timeout |
| 22:38.31 | itchi | solemnwarning: Wait, gona pastebin the script then |
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| 22:38.44 | Zapaty | hello |
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| 22:39.21 | mystic_source | ins`t it supost the xxms2 have gui? |
| 22:39.22 | xjkx | isn't audio project to burn .wav files in k3b? |
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| 22:40.16 | inFw | Hello. When I install a package using apt-get, what's the dir where it saves the .deb ? /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 22:40.19 | itchi | solemnwarning: http://pastebin.ca/465126 |
| 22:40.31 | \amethyst | inFw: correct |
| 22:40.47 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 22:40.48 | inFw | I don't have access to a debian system right now to test.. just read the man-pages. Thanks \amethyst |
| 22:41.16 | itchi | solemnwarning: Just tweak it heh ;-) |
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| 22:41.31 | solemnwarning | What type of tape drive do you use? |
| 22:41.31 | \amethyst | inFw: As the manpage says, they go into /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ until they are finished |
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| 22:41.38 | \amethyst | inFw: finished downloading, that is |
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| 22:41.40 | dave_is_sexy | what does "add the gpg key" mean? |
| 22:41.53 | solemnwarning | dave_is_sexy: It means add the gpg key |
| 22:42.02 | bloom | anyone know what happened to tzconfig in unstable? how does one change the system timezone now? |
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| 22:42.15 | dave_is_sexy | solemnwarning: uh-huh. where? |
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| 22:43.28 | solemnwarning | !no public key |
| 22:43.35 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 22:44.39 | dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 22:44.45 | itchi | Heh, how do you tcheck the validity of a key? |
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| 22:44.59 | solemnwarning | itchi: Shine a bright light on it and shot "ARE YOU A VALID KEY???" |
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| 22:45.46 | solemnwarning | Ebay appears to be a crap place to get tape drives/tapes |
| 22:45.46 | itchi | solemnwarning: You know, ebay is perfect to sell you dead/used/broken hardware |
| 22:45.56 | tziku | hello i have 2ips on my server (21.21.0.1 & 21.21.0.2) both ips have internet acces. How can i leave only one with internet acces ? Can i set gateway only for one ? |
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| 22:47.40 | solemnwarning | heh |
| 22:47.41 | itchi | solemnwarning: If you get it at home at all. |
| 22:47.42 | dErFF | are there instructions on how to disable gnome? |
| 22:47.42 | itchi | solemnwarning: hole, we start the bet?? :-) |
| 22:47.42 | solemnwarning | What manufacturers/interfaces should I look for? |
| 22:47.42 | itchi | dErFF: Defien disable gnome |
| 22:47.42 | Ronin | dErFF: disable gnome? |
| 22:47.42 | itchi | dErFF: Define |
| 22:47.42 | bloom | anyone know what happened to tzconfig in unstable? how does one change the system timezone now? |
| 22:47.43 | dErFF | like get rid of the gui |
| 22:47.43 | dErFF | im using a 64mb ram comp and its laggy |
| 22:47.43 | itchi | dErFF: Do you want to uninstall it? |
| 22:47.43 | Ronin | dErFF: uninstall it? |
| 22:47.43 | dErFF | yah |
| 22:47.43 | itchi | dErFF: Yeah sure, use fluxbox ;-) |
| 22:47.43 | dErFF | but would my computer still work? |
| 22:47.43 | Ronin | damn it itchi beat me to it |
| 22:47.44 | solemnwarning | I want to get 80GB or bigger tapes |
| 22:47.44 | dErFF | i mean would linux still boot? |
| 22:47.44 | Ronin | dErFF: of course it would |
| 22:47.44 | itchi | dErFF: Sure, without X then |
| 22:47.44 | dErFF | liek what would change? |
| 22:47.44 | itchi | dErFF: Install first fluxbox then |
| 22:47.44 | dErFF | it will just look ugly? |
| 22:47.44 | dErFF | ok |
| 22:47.44 | dave_is_sexy | beryl says i should install emerald. do i have to or can i stick with my curent window manager? |
| 22:47.44 | Ronin | dErFF: it would look like dos, dont shoot me folks i know i know |
| 22:47.44 | itchi | dErFF: Wait |
| 22:47.46 | Ronin | dErFF: then you can install something like fluxbox which requires very little in ram |
| 22:48.04 | itchi | dErFF: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox1.jpg |
| 22:48.09 | dErFF | what are the majors cons for a fluxbox |
| 22:48.11 | Zapaty | dave_is_sexy: When Beryl is installed, you can choose between emerald or metacity (for gnome) |
| 22:48.30 | Ronin | dErFF: none for me |
| 22:48.38 | dave_is_sexy | zapaty: i see. i have xfce and i like it's window manager. can i keep it? |
| 22:48.42 | itchi | dErFF: But that's a real 'basic' theme on these screenshots. Look on the web for some more 'modern' ones |
| 22:48.43 | solemnwarning | itchi: Are most tape drives SCSI, or just the ones on ebay? |
| 22:48.49 | Zapaty | yes |
| 22:48.53 | Zapaty | I think so |
| 22:48.54 | Ronin | just takes some getting used to as theres no menu like gnome or kde, its a right click menu on the desktop |
| 22:49.00 | itchi | solemnwarning: Maybe want you to buy very old stuff? |
| 22:49.07 | Ankman | itchi: thank will try the module-assisten |
| 22:49.20 | itchi | Ankman: For that shfs thingy? |
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| 22:49.30 | itchi | I no more remember haha |
| 22:49.45 | dave_is_sexy | derff: someone told me off for suggesting XFCE earlier, but i think it sounds suitable for your situ |
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| 22:50.06 | solemnwarning | Whats better, AIT or DAT? |
| 22:50.14 | dErFF | oks |
| 22:50.28 | solemnwarning | EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 22:50.38 | itchi | solemnwarning: I'm still polluating the planet with my CD's |
| 22:50.44 | solemnwarning | The cheapest tape drive on novatech is 257GBP! |
| 22:50.49 | Ankman | itchi: yes |
| 22:50.59 | itchi | solemnwarning: And the drive?? :-) |
| 22:51.06 | itchi | solemnwarning: Err the tape |
| 22:51.28 | itchi | solemnwarning: Hhhm, 7 tapes will be the top :-) |
| 22:51.31 | solemnwarning | 3.67GBP |
| 22:51.38 | solemnwarning | But thats too much for a drive |
| 22:51.47 | solemnwarning | My graphics card cost less then that |
| 22:51.57 | xjkx | "rec001.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, IMA ADPCM, mono 8000 Hz" how do i burn it as audio on k3b? it says format unsupported on audio project ! |
| 22:52.12 | itchi | solemnwarning: That's near the price of my computer haha :-p |
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| 22:53.21 | itchi | solemnwarning: A good tip, if the stuff you plan to buy is much, don't pay to an untrusted person. Meet him |
| 22:53.50 | itchi | solemnwarning: I talk about experiences :-s. Ebay killed me near |
| 22:54.02 | solemnwarning | A lot of my stuff is from ebay, it works fine |
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| 22:54.14 | itchi | solemnwarning: Yeah, around 80% |
| 22:54.20 | solemnwarning | More then that |
| 22:54.27 | solemnwarning | I don't think I've ever had a broken part |
| 22:54.33 | pmvalente | as anybody know how to work with wpa_supplicant |
| 22:54.38 | itchi | solemnwarning: bah, mostly i got sad changes, and with expensif stuff. |
| 22:54.39 | solemnwarning | Except from some EDO ram I got to try and fix a 486 |
| 22:54.52 | dave_is_sexy | ok i have beryl installed! :) |
| 22:54.59 | dave_is_sexy | go. start. |
| 22:55.03 | itchi | pmvalente: On the wiki is some info about it |
| 22:55.04 | dave_is_sexy | be cool |
| 22:55.05 | solemnwarning | Is DLT-V4 a good tape type? |
| 22:55.12 | dave_is_sexy | *thinks* |
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| 22:56.48 | pmvalente | How do I start wpa_supplicant, please |
| 22:57.12 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: you should go to wikipedia and look up Digital Linear Tape and Advanced Intelligent Tape |
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| 22:57.44 | dave_is_sexy | how do i make beryl do things? |
| 22:58.00 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Did you start the beryl-manager ? |
| 22:58.07 | dave_is_sexy | no |
| 22:58.12 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Which DE use you ? |
| 22:58.18 | dave_is_sexy | xfce |
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| 22:58.39 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Ok, only xfce, gnome and KDE are supported, AFAIK |
| 22:59.05 | dave_is_sexy | oooh. i typed beryl-manager into terminal |
| 22:59.11 | dave_is_sexy | something happened |
| 22:59.12 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: yes, that's good |
| 22:59.25 | dave_is_sexy | how do i spin my cube? |
| 22:59.38 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: See you there a red diamond logo near the clock? |
| 22:59.48 | dave_is_sexy | yup |
| 22:59.55 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Right click on it |
| 23:00.26 | dave_is_sexy | yeah. and i set window manager to beryl |
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| 23:01.09 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: And work it? Did you see the window border change? |
| 23:01.29 | dave_is_sexy | yes that happened when i put beryl-manager into terminal |
| 23:01.55 | dave_is_sexy | can i make it do something to test it is installed and not just the manager is installed? |
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| 23:01.58 | liable | dave_is_sexy: ctl-alt-arrow right/left |
| 23:02.01 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Click on the title balk of a window and live the mouse pressed, like you want to move a window |
| 23:02.30 | itchi | s/live/leave/ wtf |
| 23:02.37 | itchi | I gona sleep guys :-p |
| 23:02.44 | itchi | See you laters all ;-) |
| 23:02.47 | dave_is_sexy | ctrl+alt+arrow just does the normal change workspace |
| 23:02.51 | dave_is_sexy | :( |
| 23:03.29 | solemnwarning | dave_is_sexy: You want to switch to a tty console? |
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| 23:03.53 | dave_is_sexy | i'm gonna assume a tty console is my terminal and say yes |
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| 23:04.11 | solemnwarning | You can't use ctrl+alt+* to switch out of X with x.org |
| 23:04.25 | solemnwarning | Run `chvt 1` as root to switch to tty1 |
| 23:04.31 | grew | uh |
| 23:04.33 | grew | yea you can |
| 23:04.37 | solemnwarning | I can't get it working |
| 23:04.48 | solemnwarning | Every x.org machine I've installed with etch won't do it |
| 23:04.53 | grew | you probably have framebuffer issues |
| 23:05.00 | solemnwarning | chvt works |
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| 23:06.00 | itchi | solemnwarning: It is ctrl+alt and the left or rigth arrow keys |
| 23:06.13 | solemnwarning | itchi: Nope |
| 23:06.19 | grew | ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 23:06.22 | grew | will goto first tty |
| 23:06.23 | solemnwarning | The X session gets the keypresses |
| 23:06.29 | solemnwarning | grew: The X session gets the keypresses |
| 23:06.36 | grew | not here |
| 23:06.38 | grew | works fine |
| 23:06.49 | grew | ctrl+alt+left rotates my cube |
| 23:06.50 | grew | hehe |
| 23:06.52 | solemnwarning | Maybe there's some bug that makes it break with somthing I have |
| 23:06.52 | itchi | Work fine here too, up and down too |
| 23:07.02 | solemnwarning | It used to work in XFree |
| 23:07.09 | grew | it has nothing to do with that |
| 23:07.10 | itchi | solemnwarning: Wait, is the cube been activated? |
| 23:07.15 | grew | are you using framebuffer terminals? |
| 23:07.24 | solemnwarning | grew: I don't think so |
| 23:07.29 | grew | you dont know? |
| 23:07.34 | grew | do you have higher res console? |
| 23:07.37 | solemnwarning | No |
| 23:07.47 | grew | ive seen that fight with x when you arent using framebuffer x |
| 23:07.53 | grew | but never without |
| 23:07.58 | grew | what card/driver? |
| 23:08.19 | solemnwarning | GeForce 7950 GT, nvidia |
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| 23:08.58 | grew | i bet there is stuff on it if you google |
| 23:09.10 | solemnwarning | grew: I did |
| 23:09.22 | solemnwarning | I only found an option xorg has to disabling/enabling the keycombo |
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| 23:09.27 | solemnwarning | It has no effect on my machine |
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| 23:10.56 | dave_is_sexy | so i have the beryl manager up, and beryl is my window manager. but nothing happens. This is common right? |
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| 23:12.59 | dave_is_sexy | everytime i set beryl to be my window manager it falls back to xfce |
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| 23:15.35 | xand | xfce isnt a window manager |
| 23:15.44 | dave_is_sexy | apt-find-out-if xgl is installed |
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| 23:16.02 | dave_is_sexy | xand: xfwm is the manager |
| 23:16.08 | GuHHH | hi! |
| 23:16.09 | xand | I know it is |
| 23:16.14 | dave_is_sexy | oh |
| 23:16.19 | GuHHH | is it possible to install xgl on debian? |
| 23:16.24 | dave_is_sexy | hi GuHHH! |
| 23:16.29 | GuHHH | or will it mess up my system? |
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| 23:16.54 | azeem | it's strongly discourated to install xgl |
| 23:17.02 | dave_is_sexy | azeem? why? |
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| 23:17.11 | Wyzard | GuHHH: AIGLX is preferable over XGL, and is already supported by pretty much everything except ATI's driver |
| 23:17.19 | dave_is_sexy | (and it's not in unstable anyway) |
| 23:17.20 | Wyzard | XGL is an ugly hack |
| 23:17.31 | GuHHH | Wyzard: thats why i need XGL |
| 23:17.31 | grew | aiglx is working great here |
| 23:17.50 | GuHHH | Wyzard: the only driver my X can run is FGLRX, so i need GLX |
| 23:17.50 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: You need help of #beryl |
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| 23:18.03 | Wyzard | GuHHH: There are probably unofficial packages somewhere, but you won't get much help with it here |
| 23:18.04 | grew | aiglx doesnt work with flgrx? |
| 23:18.05 | GuHHH | *XGL |
| 23:18.06 | grew | i think it does |
| 23:18.08 | dave_is_sexy | grew: aiglx isn't in the repo either |
| 23:18.15 | azeem | dave_is_sexy: it is |
| 23:18.15 | Wyzard | grew: Not that I've heard of |
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| 23:18.19 | grew | it is |
| 23:18.20 | dave_is_sexy | itchi: yeah i'm on there too :) |
| 23:18.24 | grew | all i had to add from external repos was beryl itself |
| 23:18.25 | GuHHH | grew: it doesnt |
| 23:18.29 | grew | well at least in unstable |
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| 23:18.35 | grew | GuHHH: wierd, the oss driver works with it |
| 23:18.35 | Wyzard | aiglx isn't a program like XGL is, it's a feature of xorg itself |
| 23:18.40 | grew | id assume they both would |
| 23:18.43 | Wyzard | but it requires support in the video driver, and ATI hasn't added it yet |
| 23:18.48 | grew | ahh ok |
| 23:18.49 | dave_is_sexy | aptitude install aiglx says no |
| 23:18.50 | grew | makes sense |
| 23:18.55 | grew | dave_is_sexy: its part of xorg |
| 23:18.57 | azeem | grew: the two are very different |
| 23:18.58 | grew | at least unstable x |
| 23:18.59 | GuHHH | grew: my vga only works with proprietary drivers... :( |
| 23:19.02 | Wyzard | nVidia has in the 9xxx-series driver, but I think etch uses the 8xxx-series |
| 23:19.22 | dave_is_sexy | so aptitude install xorg? |
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| 23:19.44 | Wyzard | You already have xorg |
| 23:19.51 | zck | hi, please, what are the differences between linux-xen-vserver-686 and linux-xen-686 debian packages? |
| 23:20.11 | dave_is_sexy | oh. well looks like i'm getting it agian, unless i can stop aptitude |
| 23:20.18 | Wyzard | zck: The -vserver variant is if you want to run multiple vservers within a Xen domain |
| 23:20.21 | grew | ctrl+c |
| 23:20.55 | dave_is_sexy | so i would like aiglx |
| 23:21.02 | grew | its part of xorg |
| 23:21.11 | grew | you dont have to do anything but get your agp/dri/drm stuff all working |
| 23:21.16 | Wyzard | Like I said, it's not a program |
| 23:21.20 | Wyzard | What video driver do you use? |
| 23:21.48 | dave_is_sexy | grew: ok, so i have it. good. aptitude probe aiglx? |
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| 23:22.04 | grew | dave_is_sexy: there is no separate package, its a part of xorg |
| 23:22.10 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Heh, don't try random stuff heh |
| 23:22.14 | dave_is_sexy | lol |
| 23:22.20 | grew | dave_is_sexy: read the docs if you want to get beryl working |
| 23:22.36 | grew | there is a wiki on the website |
| 23:22.39 | dave_is_sexy | grew: they're all for ubuntu |
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| 23:22.45 | zck | Wyzard: multiple dom0 ? |
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| 23:22.50 | grew | dpkg: tell dave_is_sexy about beryl |
| 23:22.50 | Wyzard | That's because Beryl isn't in Debian |
| 23:22.54 | GuHHH | can anybody help me installing GLX on debian? |
| 23:22.54 | Wyzard | zck: no, domU |
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| 23:23.39 | Wyzard | !tell GuHHH about fglrx one-liner |
| 23:23.55 | zck | Wyzard: so if I install xen-686 instead of xen-vserver-686 I'll only able to run one domU? |
| 23:23.59 | dave_is_sexy | i like that robot. he should be a website |
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| 23:24.15 | Wyzard | zck: no, Xen and vserver are completely different things |
| 23:24.37 | zck | Wyzard: where can I find information about vserver ? |
| 23:24.39 | Wyzard | zck: http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 23:24.39 | GuHHH | Wyzard: i have it installed and running... |
| 23:24.47 | zck | I don't know waht is it |
| 23:24.52 | zck | Wyzard: thank you very much |
| 23:25.37 | Wyzard | zck: The -xen-vserver kernel lets you create vservers within domUs |
| 23:25.37 | dj1yfk | After dist-upgrade, my network interfaces are gone. Is there a way to run all the hardware detection stuff from scratch, like at an initial installation? |
| 23:25.37 | zck | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 23:25.40 | Wyzard | zck: vservers are more lightweight than Xen domains, with less isolation between them, so some people might find it advantageous to create a few Xen domains and multiple vservers in each |
| 23:26.06 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Then you have GLX already |
| 23:26.44 | GuHHH | Wyzard: no, i and the X with GLX |
| 23:26.59 | GuHHH | *want |
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| 23:27.21 | Wyzard | GuHHH: GLX is just OpenGL support -- if you have fglrx installed, you already have that |
| 23:27.25 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Are you talking about XGL? |
| 23:27.39 | GuHHH | Wyzard: yes, sorry... lol |
| 23:27.55 | Wyzard | XGL isn't packaged in Debian |
| 23:29.02 | xjkx | converting "rec001.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, IMA ADPCM, mono 8000 Hz" to 44100 stereo with debian packages? |
| 23:29.11 | Wyzard | xjkx: apt-cache show sox |
| 23:29.30 | xjkx | Wyzard, nah, sox didnt work to stereo, tried already |
| 23:29.41 | Wyzard | sox can't convert mono to stereo? |
| 23:29.54 | xjkx | the man says it can, but: |
| 23:29.57 | Wyzard | I know it can downmix stereo to mono, and it can do just about everything else, so I'd be pretty surprised if it can't do this |
| 23:30.20 | zck | Wyzard: thank you again |
| 23:30.22 | Wyzard | You'd probably just need to tell it that the output file should have 2 channels |
| 23:30.22 | xjkx | "sox -c 2 -r 44100 rec001.wav 1.wav" "sox: Failed reading rec001.wav: format[IMA ADPCM]: samplesPerBlock(1017) incompatible with blockAlign(512)" |
| 23:30.49 | xjkx | i told it was channel 2 |
| 23:30.53 | Wyzard | I believe the "-c 2 -r 44100" should be after the rec001.wav |
| 23:31.19 | Wyzard | Format options listed before the input file describe the input file, and format options listed before the output file describe the output file |
| 23:31.25 | GuHHH | Wyzard: but is there any way that i can install it? |
| 23:31.35 | Wyzard | You told it to read a rec001.wav that's stereo and 44100kHz |
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| 23:31.56 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Find an unofficial package, I guess |
| 23:32.05 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Or get a video card whose drivers are better :-) |
| 23:32.25 | GuHHH | Wyzard: lol, its a xorg problem :P |
| 23:32.44 | GuHHH | Wyzard: i can run it with no problems with older versions, always did ;( |
| 23:32.56 | Wyzard | GuHHH: No, it's a driver problem... AIGLX requires support for a certain feature in the video driver, and most drivers support it, but ATI's doesn't |
| 23:33.08 | Wyzard | GuHHH: What is the "it" that you're saying you can run with older drivers? |
| 23:33.26 | xjkx | Wyzard, worked :D but, still, k3b doesnt recognize it as audio cd, "1.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, IMA ADPCM, stereo 44100 Hz" and k3b says "couldnt handle because of unsupported format" godamnit |
| 23:33.52 | Wyzard | xjkx: I believe you want plain PCM, not ADPCM |
| 23:33.55 | GuHHH | Wyzard: but my X doesnt work with any other driver, it just gives me a black screen, i dont use fglrx because i want, but because i need :/ |
| 23:34.14 | GuHHH | Wyzard: it doesnt happens with everyone with an ATI :P |
| 23:34.20 | GuHHH | Wyzard: im lucky ;) |
| 23:34.23 | Wyzard | GuHHH: For just plain X, fglrx is fine |
| 23:34.39 | Wyzard | GuHHH: But you said you wanted to use Beryl |
| 23:34.42 | blinx | how can I send me to an specific email-address from my server a file on command-line? |
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| 23:34.44 | Wyzard | (which is also not packaged in Debian, btw) |
| 23:34.53 | Wyzard | To use Beryl you need either AIGLX or XGL support |
| 23:35.06 | chance2105 | What service starts the "inetd" binary? |
| 23:35.08 | xjkx | Wyzard, couldnt find an option on sox to conert to pcm :/ would it be -stat? |
| 23:35.11 | Wyzard | so you can either find an unofficial package of XGL and figure out how to get it to work, or get a video card whose driver supports AIGLX |
| 23:35.30 | GuHHH | and debian doesnt have xgl and fglrx doesnt have aiglx, lucky!!! |
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| 23:36.17 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Debian doesn't have XGL because it's an ugly hack that was basically an interim measure until AIGLX was widely supported |
| 23:36.24 | cusco | I think the ati driver (not fglrx) supports aiglx |
| 23:36.36 | Wyzard | GuHHH: XGL's main redeeming feature is that it doesn't require any special support in the video driver |
| 23:36.52 | GuHHH | cusco: yes, it does... but i cant run X with it |
| 23:36.53 | abrotman | i thought newer fglrx did both |
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| 23:37.23 | chance2105 | GuHHH: What card are you using. |
| 23:37.24 | Wyzard | xjkx: If you search the manpage for the string "adpcm" a few times, you'll find a paragraph describing the options "-s/-u/-U/-A/-a/-i/-g/-f" |
| 23:37.24 | GuHHH | Wyzard: but they could make it avaiable anyway |
| 23:37.35 | Wyzard | xjkx: You want "-s", for signed linear samples |
| 23:37.41 | GuHHH | chance2105: x800 xt |
| 23:37.50 | king_crimson | just installed etch on my new nc6400 laptop, and installed ipw3945... it's working kind of, but it keeps adding garbage characters to the end of the essid |
| 23:37.52 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Feel free to package it and submit it to the archive |
| 23:37.56 | chance2105 | GuHHH: That's totally supported by the free/libre driver included in Etch. |
| 23:37.57 | king_crimson | like my essid is 'mikes' |
| 23:38.01 | king_crimson | but it turns it into 'mikesc' |
| 23:38.10 | king_crimson | anybody know what might be doign that? |
| 23:38.15 | chance2105 | GuHHH: I'm running with an 850Pro |
| 23:38.19 | GuHHH | chance2105: its not... in fact its not |
| 23:38.25 | chance2105 | GuHHH: Howso? |
| 23:38.31 | xjkx | Wyzard, worked :)))))) |
| 23:38.33 | Wyzard | GuHHH: Many Linux users just avoid ATI hardware because their drivers have a poor reputation anyway |
| 23:39.15 | Vyrus001 | if i do an apt-get source for my kernel image, will it be propogated with the same .config file that built mine? |
| 23:39.24 | GuHHH | Wyzard: i have it a long ago, in that time i didnt had this problems, lol :P |
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| 23:39.43 | Wyzard | Vyrus001: If your goal is to compile third-party modules for your kernel, install the corresponding kernel-headers package for your kernel-image |
| 23:39.56 | GuHHH | chance2105: my screen just go black and my monitor shuts, the keyboard stops responding, thats what i get with any driver but fgrlx ;) |
| 23:39.59 | dave_is_sexy | (II) I810(0): [drm] drmSetBusid failed (9, pci:0000:00:02.0), Permission denied |
| 23:40.03 | Wyzard | Vyrus001: if you need the config for some other reason, it's in /proc/config.gz, and also in /boot |
| 23:40.06 | dave_is_sexy | (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 23:40.13 | dave_is_sexy | is my error. sounds bad huh? |
| 23:40.17 | chance2105 | GuHHH: Flashes three times and drops you to terminal? |
| 23:40.23 | Wyzard | Vyrus001: You shouldn't need to "apt-get source" the kernel-image |
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| 23:40.39 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 23:41.07 | GuHHH | chance2105: lucky if it dropped me to the terminal, my monitor just shuts down i cant use the keyboard, only solution is: reset button |
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| 23:41.35 | GuHHH | thats how my card is supported, lol |
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| 23:42.15 | king_crimson | huh, its working even though it adds garbage chars to the essid |
| 23:42.17 | Blackhold | hello, I've got a problem when I run a kernel |
| 23:42.19 | Blackhold | http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/656/dsc05384sx3.jpg |
| 23:42.21 | king_crimson | got an IP and can get online |
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| 23:42.27 | king_crimson | no harm no foul |
| 23:42.28 | linux_jones | so what is fox in ps aux? |
| 23:42.45 | FelipeSouza | Someone can give-me a tip about where to search for enlightenment 17? |
| 23:42.51 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Did you repartition your hard drive or change what cable it's plugged into? |
| 23:42.58 | Blackhold | no |
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| 23:43.05 | Wyzard | Blackhold: What did you change? |
| 23:43.08 | Blackhold | I'm running the computer that did me that error |
| 23:43.09 | linux_jones | dpkg fox |
| 23:43.09 | dpkg | hmm... fox is a dog-like animal which eats chickens |
| 23:43.14 | Blackhold | but with an other kernel |
| 23:43.17 | chance2105 | GuHHH: http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html ... this link is out of date a bit, but relevant to Etch. |
| 23:43.24 | GuHHH | FelipeSouza: http://omicron.homeip.net/projects/#easy_e17.sh |
| 23:43.34 | Wyzard | Blackhold: The old kernel still works? |
| 23:43.38 | GuHHH | chance2105: it happens on any distribution... |
| 23:43.43 | Blackhold | Wyzard: yes |
| 23:43.44 | linux_jones | oh well, im outta here |
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| 23:44.01 | Vyrus001 | Wyzard, thnx for the info.. fyi, i plan on getting a monolithic vanella sources kernel going and since i was haveing some problems getting a venilla compile to run, i figure id just drop the .conf into the source and compile from there, then take out and add acordingly |
| 23:44.13 | Blackhold | I'm running lenny |
| 23:44.19 | |HellTiger| | DISPLAY: :0.0 Do you need to issue an xhost + command to let root access X11? The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 23:44.28 | Blackhold | and taken the 2.6.20.2 kernel and putted a patch ibm-acpi |
| 23:44.28 | FelipeSouza | GuHHH, i'll take a look, thank's |
| 23:44.36 | Wyzard | Vyrus001: The "linux-source" packages are the source that Debian builds from, btw |
| 23:44.44 | Blackhold | make the deb |
| 23:44.54 | Blackhold | install the deb and rebooted |
| 23:45.03 | Wyzard | Blackhold: So you compiled a custom kernel? |
| 23:45.09 | Blackhold | yes |
| 23:45.20 | Blackhold | but only applied the patch |
| 23:45.22 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Sounds like you left out the driver for your IDE or SCSI controller |
| 23:45.30 | Blackhold | uh :S |
| 23:45.31 | Wyzard | Blackhold: or didn't build an initrd or something |
| 23:45.55 | Blackhold | I had loaded the configuration of the running kernel |
| 23:46.05 | Wyzard | Blackhold: What did you use to build the kernel? |
| 23:46.11 | FelipeSouza | GuHHH, hmm, there are any repositorie for Etch? |
| 23:46.19 | FelipeSouza | I prefer use .deb |
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| 23:46.24 | nethenson | hello |
| 23:46.26 | solemnwarning | itchi: Tape backup just isn't feasable :\ |
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| 23:46.51 | solemnwarning | All the drives are either expensive or use some interface I don't have |
| 23:47.10 | solemnwarning | The only cheap ones with a common interface are tiny |
| 23:47.29 | Blackhold | make-kpkg |
| 23:47.35 | GuHHH | FelipeSouza: dont know, im trying this script right now |
| 23:47.36 | Blackhold | the binary |
| 23:47.37 | abrotman | usb? |
| 23:47.45 | Blackhold | and the kernel_image |
| 23:47.46 | solemnwarning | abrotman: Me? |
| 23:47.48 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Build it again and use "--initrd" on the make-kpkg command line |
| 23:48.01 | Blackhold | I'd used the intructions of a website |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:48.15 | Blackhold | http://www.esdebian.org/staticpages/index.php?page=20050103180621177 |
| 23:48.17 | solemnwarning | All the ones on ebay that are a good size are SCSI |
| 23:48.21 | solemnwarning | No USB ones |
| 23:48.33 | Blackhold | go on the bottom the page, and see the command that i'd used... |
| 23:48.35 | solemnwarning | Just SCSI, and in the smaller ones: parallel, IDE, floppy |
| 23:49.12 | Blackhold | the computer is an lenovo 3000 v100 |
| 23:49.14 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Did you use "--initrd" ? |
| 23:49.31 | solemnwarning | Why are new tape drives overpriced? :\ |
| 23:49.41 | solemnwarning | They start at over 200GBP |
| 23:49.44 | Blackhold | make-kpkg --initrd -append-to-version .241204 binary |
| 23:49.56 | Blackhold | make-kpkg --initrd -append-to-version .241204 kernel_image |
| 23:50.04 | Blackhold | with my version |
| 23:50.07 | Blackhold | of course |
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| 23:50.31 | Wyzard | Blackhold: In /boot, do you see an initrd.img file for the kernel version you built? |
| 23:51.03 | nethenson | I have a server with a directory filled with .mp3's ... Is there a program that I can use, to make a "radio" playing random files from said directory, so that people in my LAN can listen music with their xmms, winamp,... (using the 'open url' command)? |
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| 23:51.36 | Blackhold | downloaded the kernel from kernel.org, put into /usr/src, aplied the patch (patch -p1 < file.patch), make menuconfig, load the current config file (working one), and then did the make-kpkg, generated a .deb and installed that .deb, then I rebooted and have the message |
| 23:52.11 | abrotman | solemnwarning: that's not unreasonable |
| 23:52.25 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Does your custom kernel have an initrd.img in /boot? |
| 23:52.31 | Blackhold | H2SO4:/boot# ls -l |grep 290407 |
| 23:52.31 | Blackhold | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 74354 2007-04-29 19:39 config-2.6.20.2.290407 |
| 23:52.31 | Blackhold | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5385907 2007-04-29 20:21 initrd.img-2.6.20.2.290407 |
| 23:52.31 | Blackhold | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 770733 2007-04-29 20:11 System.map-2.6.20.2.290407 |
| 23:52.31 | Blackhold | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1320144 2007-04-29 20:11 vmlinuz-2.6.20.2.290407 |
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| 23:52.46 | Blackhold | :S |
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| 23:53.16 | Wyzard | Blackhold: And did you use that "mkinitrd" command mentioned in the instructions you followed? |
| 23:54.08 | Blackhold | http://pastebin.ca/465176 |
| 23:54.21 | Blackhold | ups, I think no :S |
| 23:54.40 | Wyzard | The mkinitrd command is for sarge and doesn't apply to etch |
| 23:55.06 | Wyzard | If you installed the kernel .deb and your initrd.img was generated automatically by that, it sounds like you did it correctly |
| 23:56.55 | Blackhold | wich package I need to use that? |
| 23:57.09 | Wyzard | No, you don't want to use mkinitrd |
| 23:57.15 | Wyzard | It's obsolete and doesn't work anymore |
| 23:57.25 | Wyzard | (Assuming you're running etch, not sarge) |
| 23:57.48 | Blackhold | ok |
| 23:57.53 | Blackhold | I'm using lenny |
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| 23:58.08 | Wyzard | It sounds like you built and installed the kernel correctly |
| 23:58.27 | Wyzard | so look at your boot messages while booting the new kernel, and see if there are any error messages relating to your IDE or SCSI controller |
| 23:58.27 | Blackhold | when I restarted the first time |
| 23:58.30 | Blackhold | well |
| 23:58.32 | Blackhold | all time |
| 23:58.44 | Wyzard | and whether you see that driver being loaded at all |
| 23:59.05 | Blackhold | it stops before doing something to the cd-rom driver |
| 23:59.17 | Blackhold | http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4431/dsc05383fj4.jpg |
| 23:59.19 | Blackhold | here |
| 23:59.24 | Blackhold | and stays about a minute |
| 23:59.34 | jazbo2185 | Is there any way to tell if I can use bootp for network boot instead of dhcp? It sounds like bootp is easier to setup; is that true? I'd rather not have to completely configure a dhcp server... |
| 23:59.50 | Blackhold | then apeared the message that I'd puted before |
| 23:59.53 | CaT[tm] | dhcpd is easy to setup |
