| 00:00.14 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: bootp is simpler as a protocol, but it's not any easier to set up |
| 00:00.20 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: It's just a limited subset of DHCP |
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| 00:00.54 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: It doesn't support releasing addresses, so you have to configure each machine with a fixed IP based on its MAC address, or eventually you run out of free addresses because they've all been assigned |
| 00:00.55 | triplc | How to "activate" cpu dynamic freq? I am using NEC laptop with SpeedStep, and I'd like to run wmlaptop (an dockapp for laptop) but it that program says it cannot see /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq. |
| 00:00.56 | Blackhold | Wyzard: there's any log of the last boot? |
| 00:01.05 | triplc | I am using Etch |
| 00:01.26 | |HellTiger| | DISPLAY: :0.0 Do you need to issue an xhost + command to let root access X11? The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1 |
| 00:01.30 | |HellTiger| | plz helo |
| 00:01.31 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Not if it wasn't able to mount the root filesystem -- there's nowhere to save logs to when you don't have a hard drive |
| 00:01.32 | |HellTiger| | help |
| 00:01.36 | |HellTiger| | google dont help |
| 00:02.21 | Blackhold | yup |
| 00:02.23 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: I don't think that would be a problem 'cause I only plan on doing this netboot a couple of times. To do the dhcp way I'd have to turn off the dhcp server on my netgear router and set up a new dhcp server on another machine right? |
| 00:02.46 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: You'd have to do that for bootp too |
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| 00:04.06 | Wyzard | Blackhold: btw, I'm curious about this ibm-acpi patch you applied... ibm-acpi is already in the kernel and works fine on my ThinkPad Z60m |
| 00:04.38 | Wyzard | Blackhold: and one of the notable improvements that I read about in 2.6.20 is that ibm-acpi now supports fan control |
| 00:04.43 | Blackhold | in mine the keys to up and down brightness through the keyboard don't works |
| 00:04.43 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: hmmm I guess I'm really not understanding this http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en then. Is there perhaps a better write up somewhere? |
| 00:04.45 | Wyzard | Blackhold: What are you patching in? |
| 00:04.51 | Blackhold | and the interactive keys also no |
| 00:05.23 | Blackhold | I don't remember where I adquired that patch |
| 00:05.30 | Wyzard | Blackhold: Weird... the brightness keys work fine for me, and have worked since I bought the laptop a year and a half ago |
| 00:05.33 | Blackhold | but I was searching through google of that |
| 00:05.58 | Blackhold | with the default kernel 2.6.18-4 don't works |
| 00:06.08 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: DHCP is an extension of bootp that provides some additional features, like expiration of leases |
| 00:06.08 | Blackhold | if you understand a little bit spanish |
| 00:06.22 | Blackhold | I have in my blog the configurations and the things that works and no |
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| 00:06.28 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: DHCP messages are bootp messages with some additional fields |
| 00:06.43 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: and they use the same ports |
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| 00:06.50 | Blackhold | http://blackhold.blogspot.com/2007/04/lenovo-3000-v100.html |
| 00:06.57 | stoned | x_link: you around? |
| 00:07.00 | Wyzard | Blackhold: I can't read Spanish, sorry |
| 00:07.06 | Wyzard | Blackhold: but you might want to ask in #debian-es |
| 00:07.14 | Blackhold | yes |
| 00:07.17 | Blackhold | I'm there |
| 00:08.31 | Wyzard | Blackhold: 2.6.21 was recently released, btw... since LCD dimming isn't really an essential feature, it might be simpler to just wait until that's packaged, and see if it fixes the problem |
| 00:09.18 | Blackhold | Wyzard: then I try to compile the last released kernel |
| 00:09.23 | Blackhold | without the patch :) |
| 00:09.49 | Wyzard | Blackhold: The patch is unlikely to be the cause of your boot problem |
| 00:10.22 | xjkx | Wyzard, haha the convert worked but the speaker speaks too fast in the cd |
| 00:10.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | I have no sound |
| 00:10.34 | Wyzard | Blackhold: If you want to use a custom kernel, you need to figure out why your SATA controller's driver isn't being loaded |
| 00:10.41 | Wyzard | (I assume it's SATA) |
| 00:11.00 | Blackhold | but if I load the current configuration |
| 00:11.06 | Blackhold | it shall work? |
| 00:11.21 | Blackhold | I don't understand the half of the kernel menus :P |
| 00:11.35 | Wyzard | Building a custom kernel using Debian's stock configuration should work fine |
| 00:11.57 | Wyzard | and as I understand it, that's what you did, plus a patch that shouldn't have anything to do with SATA support so it's unlikely to be the cause of the problem |
| 00:12.08 | Blackhold | to remove a kernel is only delete the files of the /boot for the kernel that I want to delete and update the grub? |
| 00:12.27 | Wyzard | Well, you'd uninstall the package, not just delete the files |
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| 00:12.54 | jazbo2185 | What's going to be simpler, setting up a dhcp server and configuring for netboot or trying to find a way to add usb-floppy drivers to the etch floppy installer images? |
| 00:12.55 | vulture | Has anyone else encountered issues with the nvidia driver packages on a GeForce 4 series card? It seems support has been moved to a legacy driver (but a newer one that is in Debian's nvidia-kernel-legacy package) |
| 00:13.34 | jazbo2185 | Or something else I haven't thought of (no I can remove the drive from the machine and put it in another machine....) |
| 00:13.44 | jazbo2185 | cant |
| 00:13.59 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530967 |
| 00:14.11 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: You can boot and install from a USB stick |
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| 00:14.23 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: or borrow an external USB CD-ROM drive from somewhere |
| 00:14.25 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: bios don't support it |
| 00:14.52 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: Which, booting from USB hard drives, or USB CD drives? |
| 00:15.08 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: actually neither apparently |
| 00:15.20 | Wyzard | usb-floppy would be unlikely to work too, then |
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| 00:15.59 | Wyzard | There's no way to temporarily connect an ordinary CD-ROM drive? |
| 00:16.13 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: usb-floppy does work but they removed the usb-floppy drivers from the etch floppy images |
| 00:16.41 | Wyzard | Removed them in etch? |
| 00:16.45 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: and now the sarge floppy installer seems to be broken |
| 00:16.48 | Wyzard | if sarge had them, you could install sarge and then upgrade |
| 00:16.48 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: yup |
| 00:16.49 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:17.14 | Wyzard | Well, I'd say connect a CD-ROM drive, or if that doesn't work, set up the DHCP server |
| 00:17.38 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: the sarge-->etch method worked a few weeks ago and last night but this morning something had changed and the sarge installer no longer works |
| 00:18.40 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: yeah I guess I'm stuck with the DHCP thing cause only PCMCIA cdrom drive works and I ain't gonna be able to find one of those by tomorrow... Seems daunting but hopefully I can get it to work... |
| 00:19.06 | Wyzard | I'd use dhcpd rather than bootpd |
| 00:19.25 | Wyzard | Since it's a temporary configuration you don't need to configure any MAC addresses |
| 00:19.44 | Wyzard | Just install the package and paste in the config lines mentioned on that page, basically |
| 00:20.05 | Wyzard | disable your other DHCP server (maybe just unplug the cable) before you boot the machine you're installing on |
| 00:21.11 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: thanks, okay here goes nothing... |
| 00:21.51 | Wyzard | I'm surprised if you have a laptop with USB but no CD-ROM |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | lifebook |
| 00:22.35 | abrotman | or the x60 w/o base |
| 00:22.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | ALSA is broken, who can I fix it? |
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| 00:22.47 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: portege 2000. 2.3 lbs |
| 00:23.02 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: He who can telepathically figure out all the specific details of "broken" without you saying them |
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| 00:23.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wyzard: Alsa doesn't want to work |
| 00:23.32 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath_: or did you mean "how" rather than "who" ? |
| 00:23.36 | GhostlyDeath_ | Restarts and reloads fail |
| 00:23.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | how* |
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| 00:24.16 | Wyzard | afaik, all that initscript really does is store your mixer settings at shutdown, and restore them at boot |
| 00:24.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | What if my system's batteries died? |
| 00:24.35 | Wyzard | ALSA isn't a program that runs in the background and has to be started |
| 00:24.54 | Wyzard | then it would load the saved mixer settings from the last time the system was successfully shut down |
| 00:25.13 | |HellTiger| | what is wrong with libgcc_s.so.1 ? |
| 00:25.32 | |HellTiger| | some people say rights problem other say mv libgcc_s.so.1 libgcc_s.so.1.old |
| 00:25.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | And If it didn't load? |
| 00:25.36 | |HellTiger| | nothing work |
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| 00:26.00 | Wyzard | then your volume controls would be muted and you'd have to unmute them manually |
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| 00:26.10 | jazbo2185 | is it necessary to have an "option domain-name" line in my dhcpd.conf? I've got no clue what my domain name is... |
| 00:26.40 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: That's what becomes the "search" line in your client's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:26.59 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: which just helps the client with looking up names |
| 00:27.00 | abrotman | !tell GuHHH about root |
| 00:27.06 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: It's entirely optional |
| 00:27.34 | |HellTiger| | !tell me about gcc |
| 00:28.19 | jazbo2185 | Is there a simple way to figure out what dns servers I'm using? My netgear router doesn't seem to want to tell me... |
| 00:28.51 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:29.29 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: cool I'm learning already :D |
| 00:29.30 | Wyzard | though you might find that it's the Netgear device itself |
| 00:29.37 | amerej | probably it will show the router in that file |
| 00:29.50 | Wyzard | which is fine |
| 00:30.12 | jazbo2185 | It's not showing the router. Showing some external IPs |
| 00:30.22 | Wyzard | That's fine too |
| 00:30.56 | Wyzard | (Now you know that your Netgear appliance does not act as a DNS cache, btw) |
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| 00:32.24 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: is performance better with a caching router? |
| 00:32.51 | Wyzard | slightly, but it's unlikely to make a noticeable difference unless your ISP's DNS servers suck |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | like if oyu're on comcast :) |
| 00:33.19 | Wyzard | or if your Internet connection is really slow (in which case you have bigger problems than slow DNS lookups) |
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| 00:34.59 | DawnLight | anyone knows how i run the amdcccle? |
| 00:35.01 | Sebboh | Whenever I've used a local DNS cache, performance and stability have decreased a lot! I guess that my ISP has better hardware than I do. =) |
| 00:35.06 | xjkx | Wyzard, what would you guess of a reason to the sound be reproduced too fast? |
| 00:35.15 | xjkx | The converted one |
| 00:35.31 | Sebboh | xjkx: wrong input bitrate |
| 00:35.34 | DawnLight | or more generally how do i see the files that come with a certain package |
| 00:35.52 | Wyzard | xjkx: It didn't resample the waveform when you change the samplerate, so you're playing the same number of samples at a faster rate |
| 00:36.12 | Wyzard | xjkx: sox can do resampling, though I've never used it |
| 00:36.35 | Sebboh | yeah, when I said bit rate right there, I meant sample rate. =) Darn mp3's and their made up terminology. |
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| 00:36.44 | abrotman | Sebboh: when i started my job .. we relied on dns servers that would restart when a train started moving in the train yard about 300 yards away |
| 00:37.04 | Sebboh | Well, on the plus side, you didn't really rely on them, did you? |
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| 00:37.31 | jazbo2185 | Sorry to ask 8 billion questions but, in the "option routers foo" line of dhcp.conf foo should be the IP address of my netgear router? |
| 00:37.42 | xjkx | Wyzard, i dont even know what resample means in english :P would it be just another option to resample? |
| 00:37.44 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: yes |
| 00:37.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: i have no idea |
| 00:37.57 | abrotman | Sebboh: yes .. at the time we did |
| 00:38.00 | xjkx | sample to me was something like example lol |
| 00:38.05 | foo | jazbo2185: Oh, I'll tell you what foo should be... |
| 00:38.08 | abrotman | Sebboh: that situation was quickly resolved :) |
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| 00:38.13 | Sebboh | Wyzard, abrotman, loose wire.. =) |
| 00:38.19 | Wyzard | xjkx: It's an "effect" that you tell sox to apply to the audio while converting it |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | Sebboh: maybe |
| 00:38.27 | Sebboh | abrotman: resolved. hehe.. dns.. problem.. resolved. heheh |
| 00:38.42 | xjkx | man sox |
| 00:38.44 | xjkx | ops |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you know where fiddler's green is ? |
| 00:38.54 | Wyzard | nope |
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| 00:39.35 | Sebboh | d'oh.. the #gimp crew are asleep. Anybody know how I remove transparency from some pixels? I want them to be opaque. ..I'm working with a png. |
| 00:39.49 | dutchfish | i want to know if there is already code on a PLL used somewhere in debian, i am working on a absolute timer, based on 2 ring-modulators & and PLL |
| 00:39.54 | king_crimson | does anybody else have a problem with the KLaptop battery monitor locking up? |
| 00:40.06 | king_crimson | its said 49% for the last half hour |
| 00:40.52 | Wyzard | I've had that happen occasionally with the GNOME one, but I think it's usually when I upgraded parts of it while it was running |
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| 00:41.18 | abrotman | king_crimson: it's about to say 0% :) |
| 00:41.24 | king_crimson | lol |
| 00:41.27 | Wyzard | though I'm not sure... it's infrequent enough that I didn't pay much attention to it |
| 00:41.27 | king_crimson | yeah |
| 00:41.33 | pdbogen | I've got an odd problem. I can't access a particular website, and one of the other computers on my network can't, either. Three other machines on the same network can. |
| 00:41.38 | king_crimson | it'll probably die in a few mins |
| 00:41.54 | king_crimson | i see wmbattery in aptitude |
| 00:41.55 | king_crimson | i'll try that one out |
| 00:42.03 | pdbogen | I don't think it's Debian-related, but I'm completely baffled, and thought you folks might have some idea. |
| 00:42.11 | Wyzard | king_crimson: You should plug in, then... running your battery completely flat is bad for it |
| 00:42.15 | xjkx | Wyzard, resample 'Translate input sampling rate to output sampling rate' (then i dont have to specify -r anymore, right?) |
| 00:42.34 | king_crimson | yeah i know its probably around 15% now |
| 00:42.35 | dutchfish | king_crimson, i had some issues with panel-aplets locking up in gnome, when i restart X it was gone |
| 00:42.46 | Wyzard | xjkx: No, you still need -r, because that's how you tell it what the output sample rate *is* |
| 00:42.49 | king_crimson | alright im plugged in |
| 00:42.52 | Wyzard | xjkx: Otherwise it just assumes it's the same as the input |
| 00:43.11 | Wyzard | king_crimson: 15% is about the limit to how low I let my battery go |
| 00:43.26 | Wyzard | king_crimson: Lithium-ion batteries don't like being drained completely... it makes them wear out faster |
| 00:43.56 | king_crimson | lithium ion has has absolutely no memory effect, right? |
| 00:44.05 | Wyzard | afaik, yes |
| 00:44.17 | Wyzard | Very little or none |
| 00:44.31 | Wyzard | so in general it's fine to just leave it plugged in all the time |
| 00:44.37 | Wyzard | though you should cycle it once or twice a month |
| 00:44.38 | king_crimson | cool |
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| 00:45.03 | king_crimson | i've been taking it down to usually 15 or 20 and then charging to full, and then pulling the battery out until i need it |
| 00:45.05 | Wyzard | http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ has a lot of info on battery care |
| 00:45.08 | king_crimson | guess i dont need to do that |
| 00:45.10 | king_crimson | thanks |
| 00:45.36 | dErFF | is a low-end computer equivalent to opening a light bulb? |
| 00:45.50 | Wyzard | The only reason I'd take the battery out is if the laptop is hot... heat is bad for batteries too, especially charging while hot |
| 00:46.12 | king_crimson | right, i did read that actually |
| 00:46.12 | Wyzard | but I think most modern laptops keep the battery far enough away from the processor that it doesn't get too hot |
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| 00:47.00 | king_crimson | ive got this new hp nc6400 and i want to make it last as long as i can! |
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| 00:47.49 | pzn | package "xlockmore" is not available in etch. which x-window lock app do you suggest? |
| 00:48.07 | Wyzard | I bought my current laptop in November 2005 and the battery capacity is around 89% of original, which isn't bad |
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| 00:49.11 | Wyzard | pzn: xscreensaver, or gnome-screensaver if you use gnome |
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| 00:50.20 | pzn | Wyzard, I don't want a screensaver... it uses CPU and the machine is used by many people as XDMCP... I need just a lock-screen... |
| 00:50.29 | GhostlyDeath | Alsa is loaded but sound doesn't come out of my speakers |
| 00:50.38 | Wyzard | pzn: You can configure it to just display a blank screen |
| 00:50.58 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Check your volume levels... they're zeroed and muted by default |
| 00:51.10 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: they are max |
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| 00:51.42 | king_crimson | ugh wmbattery is ugly |
| 00:51.48 | Wyzard | Are you in the "audio" group? |
| 00:51.54 | king_crimson | i wonder why klaptop's battery monitor locks up |
| 00:51.54 | Wyzard | Make sure your account has permission to actually play sound |
| 00:51.56 | king_crimson | it just never updates |
| 00:52.03 | king_crimson | i cant really use it like this |
| 00:52.05 | Wyzard | though if you can change the volume levels, you probably have audio permission |
| 00:52.10 | pzn | Wyzard, I'll try to install gnome-screensaver/xscreensaved and configure it to not allow users to use a screensaver, just the lock feature. |
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| 00:54.34 | king_crimson | im going to reboot to see if it starts working |
| 00:55.04 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: in the "hardware ethernet foo" line of dhcp.conf, foo should be the MAC of the DHCP/TFTP server? |
| 00:55.28 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I'm in the audio grouo |
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| 00:56.06 | stoned | !ping |
| 00:56.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:56.10 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I'm along to play sound too |
| 00:56.47 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: my speakers work because When I boot my computer they pop |
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| 00:58.07 | stoned | !dolphin |
| 00:58.10 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:58.16 | grendal_prime | this is making me absolutly insane. |
| 00:58.35 | grendal_prime | UDP (196 bytes) from 127.0.0.1:32768 to 127.0.0.1:32768 on lo |
| 00:58.47 | grendal_prime | what would make a machine just do that over and over again. |
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| 00:59.32 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: No, that's for recognizing a specific client by its MAC address, in order to give it the same IP address every time |
| 00:59.49 | ruben | Hi, there is no response on #oracle channel :), one question, I have installed oracle 10g for debian, how can I get the sid? what is the way? |
| 00:59.52 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: For a long-term-use bootp server you'd want to do that so your clients don't eat up all the addresses, but for now it doesn't matter |
| 01:00.06 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: does the fixed-address line also not matter? |
| 01:00.14 | Wyzard | right |
| 01:00.30 | Wyzard | You don't need host blocks since this is just temporary |
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| 01:01.50 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: and clientname should be what? I just cant seem to answer these question from reading the dhcpd.conf man page... |
| 01:02.30 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Should I reinstall the linux-sound package? |
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| 01:02.45 | Wyzard | You don't need to configure specific client names |
| 01:03.24 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: No, that's irrelevant |
| 01:03.41 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: ALSA is a part of the kernel that's used by sound drivers, which are also part of the kernel |
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| 01:04.02 | Wyzard | If you a have the driver loaded for your sound card, sound should work |
| 01:04.12 | Wyzard | The stuff in linux-sound-base is just helper stuff for loading the driver |
| 01:04.18 | Vanpriest | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.21 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA is loaded but no sound comes out |
| 01:04.26 | GhostlyDeath | I'll try a live CD |
| 01:04.31 | Vanpriest | i cannot do any APT get install anymore, they keep asking me to install the 2.5 libgc.. |
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| 01:04.43 | Vanpriest | and i cannot installing it because i am under 2.4 kernel |
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| 01:05.05 | GhostlyDeath | glibc 2.5 doesn't work with 2.4 kernels |
| 01:05.07 | GhostlyDeath | You need at least 2.6 |
| 01:05.12 | Vanpriest | tatt the probelms.. |
| 01:05.18 | Vanpriest | and i cannot unistall it |
| 01:05.18 | GhostlyDeath | (at least that's what I heard) |
| 01:05.27 | Vanpriest | it keep saying tat i need to upgrade kernel |
| 01:05.45 | Vanpriest | i cannot do anything right now because everyapt-get install i tryto do, it keep saying me tat file is indepenent blablaa.. |
| 01:05.53 | Vanpriest | got a way to remove tat? |
| 01:05.54 | efaistos | 7/le |
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| 01:06.32 | jbinder | http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/iclk?sa=l&ai=BOliuUEA1RuT_AZ36aLuxgM8Bn8SWHqXcqQfAjbcB4KcSEAEYASDFzMsGMAA4AFDl56-K-_____8BYMmWnYvApNgPmAGC14ICoAH00rj_A7IBD2phcmVkYmluZGVyLmNvbboBCTIzNHg2MF9hc8gBAdoBF2h0dHA6Ly9qYXJlZGJpbmRlci5jb20vgAIBqAMByAMH&num=1&adurl=http://www.halloweenmart.com/wecs.php%3Faction%3Dcategory_view%26target%3D7%26usetemplate%3Ddefault_cat%26ovchn%3DGGL%26ovcpn%3DAdGroup1%26ovcrn%3DHalloween%2BDecorations%26ovtac%3DPPC&client=ca- |
| 01:06.42 | grew | biggest. url. ever. |
| 01:06.43 | GhostlyDeath | How'd you get glibc 2.5? |
| 01:06.46 | ArkoldThos | lol |
| 01:06.49 | jbinder | oh crap... sorry... accidental paste |
| 01:06.51 | jbinder | lol |
| 01:06.53 | ArkoldThos | :p |
| 01:06.53 | Vanpriest | i just did an apt-get upgrade |
| 01:06.56 | Vanpriest | and it install me few files |
| 01:06.59 | Vanpriest | and get errored.. |
| 01:07.04 | Vanpriest | now i cannot do anything.. |
| 01:07.15 | Vanpriest | keepsaying i need gclibc 2.5 because it deendcing |
| 01:07.20 | Vanpriest | dependency* |
| 01:07.41 | GhostlyDeath | glibc 2.5 shoudln't be in the repository |
| 01:07.52 | azeem | it's in unstable |
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| 01:08.24 | GhostlyDeath | azeem: really? |
| 01:08.30 | azeem | really |
| 01:08.35 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 01:08.40 | GhostlyDeath | Any news on it reaching testing? |
| 01:08.49 | azeem | it hasn't |
| 01:08.54 | Vanpriest | so no one could help me on tat |
| 01:08.57 | dotCOMmie | grew: longer than: http://hugeurl.com/ |
| 01:09.04 | azeem | Vanpriest: what did the package tell you to do? |
| 01:09.04 | grew | hehe |
| 01:09.16 | Vanpriest | well try to instal apt-get install gcc |
| 01:09.18 | Vanpriest | or whatever |
| 01:09.21 | Vanpriest | and it said: |
| 01:09.43 | azeem | Vanpriest: no, what did the glibc package tell you when it refused to install due to the kernel |
| 01:09.50 | azeem | no hints on what to do? |
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| 01:09.56 | Vanpriest | yes azeem |
| 01:10.02 | Vanpriest | it say i need upgrade kernel |
| 01:10.05 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.hugeurl.com/?Zjc5NWZmMjljYzU0MjM3MjVjODNiMDNmNjA4MDY2OTUmMTMmVm0wd2QyUXlVWGxWV0d4WFlUSm9WMVl3Wkc5V1ZsbDNXa2M1YWxKc1dqQlVWbHBQVjBaYWMySkVUbGhoTVVwVVZtcEdZV015U2tWVWJHaG9UV3N3ZUZacVFtRlRNazE1VTJ0V1ZXSkhhRzlVVm1oRFZWWmFkR1ZHV214U2JHdzFWa2QwYzJGc1NuUmhSemxWVmpOT00xcFZXbUZrUjA1R1pFWlNUbFpVVmtwV2JURXdZVEZrU0ZOclpHcFRSVXBZVkZWYWQxTkdVbFZTYlVacVZtdGFNRlZ0ZUZOVWJVWTJVbFJHVjFaRmIzZFdha1poVjBaT2NtSkdTbWxTTW1oWlYxZDRiMkl3TUhoWGJHUllZbFZhY2 |
| 01:10.06 | GhostlyDeath | xWc1VrZFhiR3QzV2tSU1ZrMXJjRWxhU0hCSFZqSkZlVlZZWkZwV1JWcHlWVEJhVDJOc2NFaGpSbEpUVmxoQ1dsWnJXbGRoTVZWNVZXNU9hbEp0VWxsWmJGWmhZMVpzY2xkdFJteFdiVko1VmpJMWExWXdNVVZTYTFwV1lrWktSRlpxUVhoa1ZsWjFWMnhhYUdFeGNGbFhhMVpoVkRKT2RGTnJaRlJpVjNoWVZXcE9iMWRHV25STlNHUnNVakJzTkZVeWRHdGhWazVHVjJ4U1dtSkhhRlJXTVZwWFkxWktjbVJHVWxkaVJtOTNWMnhXYjJFeFdYZE5WVlpUWVRGd1dGbHJaRzlqYkZweFUydGFiRlpzV2xwWGExcHJZVWRGZUdOR2FGaGlSbkJvVmtSS1QyUkdTbkpoUjJoVFlYcFdlbGRYZUc5aU1XUkhW |
| 01:10.06 | GhostlyDeath | MjVTVGxOSGFGQlZiVEUwVmpGU1ZtRkhPVmhTTUhCSlZsZDRjMWR0U2toaFJsSlhUVVp3VkZacVJtdGtSa3AwWlVaa2FXRXdjRWxXYlhCS1pVVXhSMWRzYUZSaE1sSnhWV3RXWVZZeFduRlViVGxzWWtad2VGVXlkR3RoYlVwV1ZtcGFXbFpXY0hKWlZXUkdaVWRPU0dGR2FHbFNia0p2Vm10U1MxUXlVa2RVYmtwaFVteEtjRlpxVG05WFZscFlZMFU1YVUxcmJEUldNalZUVkd4YVJsTnNhRlZXTTJoSVZGUkdVMk15UmtaUFYyaHBVbGhDTmxkVVFtRmpNV1IwVTJ0b2FGSnNTbGhVVmxwM1YwWnNObEpzWkdwaVNFSklWbGN4YzFVd01IbGhSbXhYWWxoQ1RGUnJXbEpsUm1SellVWlNhRTFzU25oV1 |
| 01:10.09 | stoned | whoah |
| 01:10.14 | grew | lawl |
| 01:10.19 | stoned | lawl? |
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| 01:10.39 | azeem | Vanpriest: so did you do that? |
| 01:10.44 | Vanpriest | icannot do it |
| 01:10.49 | Vanpriest | when i try to install trough at-get |
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| 01:10.53 | Vanpriest | it keep saying me to |
| 01:10.53 | Vanpriest | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:10.53 | Vanpriest | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:10.53 | Vanpriest | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 01:10.53 | Vanpriest | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 01:10.53 | *** kick/#debian [Vanpriest!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 01:11.03 | stoned | !paster |
| 01:11.03 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 01:11.08 | Vanpriest | oops |
| 01:11.17 | azeem | Vanpriest: replace unstable with testing, run apt-get update and try again |
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| 01:11.29 | Vanpriest | i did |
| 01:11.30 | Vanpriest | not working |
| 01:11.32 | azeem | and? |
| 01:11.37 | GhostlyDeath | stoned: Who is going to use a paster for chat? |
| 01:11.43 | azeem | paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 01:11.51 | Vanpriest | i apt-get update |
| 01:11.54 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: people who need to paste more than 3 lines in the channel |
| 01:11.57 | Vanpriest | and apt-get install image2.6 |
| 01:12.00 | Vanpriest | and it keep saing me tat |
| 01:12.18 | azeem | saying what? |
| 01:12.27 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: is it better to do so due to the fact that it is a lot easier to read without disupting the flow of the channle |
| 01:12.28 | GhostlyDeath | stoned: didn't see a paste ther eheh |
| 01:12.29 | azeem | did you run apt-get -f install after the update? |
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| 01:12.33 | Vanpriest | libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-4) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed |
| 01:12.36 | mbd | is it possible to install packages from sid in etch? |
| 01:12.37 | Vanpriest | tat |
| 01:12.43 | azeem | Vanpriest: remove libc6-dev |
| 01:13.01 | stoned | !tell mbd -about simple sid backport |
| 01:13.13 | Vanpriest | i cannot remove it |
| 01:13.17 | Vanpriest | it said libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.5-4) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed |
| 01:13.40 | Vanpriest | Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or |
| 01:13.41 | Vanpriest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.09 | azeem | 03:12 < azeem> did you run apt-get -f install after the update? |
| 01:14.10 | nn-main-2 | hi |
| 01:14.48 | nn-main-2 | can some one check this out for me im local to the server so I can't:: http://10.1.10.25/mirror/remix/1-all.m3u |
| 01:14.59 | azeem | nn-main-2: no |
| 01:15.05 | nn-main-2 | can some one check this out for me im local to the server so I can't:: http://filebin.info/mirror/remix/1-all.m3u ** |
| 01:15.14 | azeem | nighthawk~$ host 10.1.10.25 |
| 01:15.14 | azeem | Host 25.10.1.10.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 01:15.25 | nn-main-2 | sory |
| 01:15.35 | nn-main-2 | see im local lol |
| 01:15.35 | Vanpriest | azeem : no it just not workin |
| 01:15.42 | Vanpriest | it keep saying tthe same thing |
| 01:15.44 | Wyzard | nn-main-2: That's a private address... people outside your LAN can't access it |
| 01:16.00 | azeem | Vanpriest: paste the full error output to a pastebin, I will not repeat myself more often |
| 01:16.29 | Wyzard | nn-main-2: Being "local to the server" is why you *can* access it |
| 01:16.31 | nn-main-2 | y filebin is the ford adress http://10.1.10.25/mirror/remix/1-all.m3u ?? anyone know of a good pastebin script |
| 01:16.56 | stoned | nn-main-2: I'm sure google knows of plenty of scripts |
| 01:17.02 | nn-main-2 | brb |
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| 01:18.48 | darrend | I don't see package updates for some recent security updates when I 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade'. I have security updates in sources.list. What do I need to check? |
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| 01:19.04 | azeem | darrend: which version of Debian? |
| 01:19.05 | nn-3rd-floar | ok back |
| 01:19.07 | vinicius | debian gave me a really confortable message now...can anyone take a look, please? http://paste.debian.net/26816 |
| 01:19.12 | darrend | azeem: testing |
| 01:19.29 | nn-3rd-floar | that is back from nn-main |
| 01:19.39 | azeem | darrend: testing security is mostly done via transitions from unstable these days |
| 01:19.49 | azeem | darrend: if you care a lot about security, run stable |
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| 01:20.36 | nn-3rd-floar | ok the reason i wanted you to test it is because the http:// addressed in the file were for the domain Filebin not local |
| 01:20.38 | kairu0 | vinicius, try removing the package from cache and downloading again |
| 01:20.47 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:20.57 | grendal_prime | this box just quites routing its soo frigging werid |
| 01:21.07 | darrend | azeem: so I have no option to get patched versions unless I do that? |
| 01:21.23 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Sound still doesn't play, it possible that it's muted but alsamixer and gnome-volume-control don't know it is? |
| 01:21.26 | stoned | grendal_prime: you're telling me I had to configure a double NAT routing network |
| 01:21.39 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Not that I know of |
| 01:21.41 | stoned | it didnt' wanna work over wifi |
| 01:21.46 | stoned | it was a pain |
| 01:22.12 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but note that muting is an on/off thing, separate from the volume slider -- in alsamixer it shows up as 'MM' below the slider |
| 01:22.13 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: or maybe snd-hda-intel isn't modprobed correctly? |
| 01:22.20 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Make sure you've both turned up *and* unmuted |
| 01:22.24 | darrend | azeem: would just installing the .debs listed in the security announcement cause any other side effects? |
| 01:22.44 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: isn't muted at all |
| 01:23.02 | Wyzard | darrend: They shouldn't... that's the whole point of stable releases and security updates, to fix security bugs without affecting anything else |
| 01:23.04 | azeem | darrend: is this for an internet server or a desktop/notebook? |
| 01:23.14 | azeem | Wyzard: he means installing them on testing |
| 01:23.24 | Alam_Linux | how do I rename a file that haves a - at the beginning of it's filename? |
| 01:23.28 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: no MM and bars are full |
| 01:23.36 | Wyzard | Alam_Linux: mv -- -oldfile newfile |
| 01:23.37 | darrend | azeem: it's a home server. |
| 01:23.42 | nn-3rd-floar | um is the file bin script ok the the sight;; what could i inpruve on in the sight;; please tell me what i could add for the linux community ;; websight == http://filebin.info |
| 01:24.09 | azeem | darrend: behind a DSL router or something? |
| 01:24.09 | Wyzard | Alam_Linux: The "--" tells mv that whatever follows is not an option, even if it looks like one |
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| 01:24.10 | darrend | azeem: yes, but with a couple of open ports |
| 01:24.14 | Alam_Linux | thanks, Winkie, that worked |
| 01:24.59 | stoned | We're off to see the Wyzard, the wonderful Wyzard of O... #debian |
| 01:25.05 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.07 | azeem | darrend: as I said, some people try to make sure that security updates transition quickly from unstable to testing |
| 01:25.07 | \amethyst | For programs that don't take --, you can also say ./-oldfile |
| 01:25.10 | azeem | if you' |
| 01:25.16 | azeem | need a lot of security, better run stable |
| 01:25.21 | azeem | anyway, going to bed now |
| 01:25.32 | GhostlyDeath | =/ |
| 01:25.37 | Vanpriest | azeem: what page i the pastbin |
| 01:25.43 | GhostlyDeath | Guess I'm going to have to re-install Linux again.. |
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| 01:25.57 | azeem | Vanpriest: hrm? |
| 01:26.02 | Vanpriest | what url |
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| 01:26.05 | Vanpriest | for pastbin... |
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| 01:26.06 | azeem | !paste |
| 01:26.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 01:26.43 | archville | Hi. |
| 01:27.06 | Ankman | hi |
| 01:27.18 | __mikem | !windows |
| 01:27.19 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 01:27.27 | __mikem | lol, I love that one |
| 01:27.51 | stoned | uhhh |
| 01:28.11 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone got any suggestions on restoring sound? |
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| 01:28.24 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: what happened? |
| 01:28.44 | azeem | Vanpriest: anyway, going to sleep now, good luck with your problem |
| 01:28.44 | GhostlyDeath | stoned: PC bats died and so did sound |
| 01:28.55 | Vanpriest | azeeem: http://pastebin.ca/465278 |
| 01:30.14 | stoned | bats? |
| 01:30.15 | stoned | azeem: g'night |
| 01:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | batteries |
| 01:30.15 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: would you mind taking a glance at the contents of my dhcpd.conf at http://paste.debian.net/26817. 192.168.0.8 is the IP of the machine that I want to run the DHCP server and TFTP on... |
| 01:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | I did a live CD and the sound works |
| 01:30.15 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: dude.. what? laptop? |
| 01:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 01:30.15 | stoned | yeh, electronics don't work without power |
| 01:30.15 | GhostlyDeath | ... |
| 01:30.19 | Wyzard | jazbo2185: I'm not an expert with PXE booting, but that looks OK to me |
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| 01:30.30 | GhostlyDeath | I said My batteries died (making the computer shut off) then I plugged it in, Linux booted but no sound |
| 01:30.30 | jazbo2185 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 01:31.00 | GhostlyDeath | The speakers are on and functional |
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| 01:31.39 | stoned | jazbo2185: I believe section 5.1.5 of the debian etch install manual contains a link back to a previous chapter that explains how exactly to boot with this |
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| 01:31.59 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Does your laptop have a hardware volume control of some sort? |
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| 01:32.01 | stoned | I believe chapter 4 is what you're looking for |
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| 01:32.14 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That may be independent of the software mixer -- I know it is on my laptop |
| 01:32.15 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: nope |
| 01:32.18 | Szeraax | do anyone here know how to do a netboot? |
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| 01:32.38 | dembug | apt-get install nfs-boot might be a good start Szeraax |
| 01:32.46 | Szeraax | i dont know what file to boot to |
| 01:32.56 | dembug | heh |
| 01:32.59 | rob3r | hi, the 3d cards Unicrhome of VIA, have soport for debian? how i can install it? |
| 01:33.08 | dembug | your not booting a file your booting off the NIC. then the file :D |
| 01:33.22 | dembug | each nic on the client will have a different image (afaik) |
| 01:33.27 | Szeraax | yeah, i have PXE and tftp and dhcp all working |
| 01:33.38 | dembug | ohhh |
| 01:34.21 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: The sound in a live-cd works perfectly but the sound now doesn't work at all |
| 01:34.21 | dembug | should be simple as copy the filesystem you want to boot into the / of the nfs |
| 01:34.21 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA is loaded' |
| 01:34.21 | dembug | long as you using right image' |
| 01:34.21 | GhostlyDeath | Could it be a broken pipe? |
| 01:34.21 | Wyzard | rob3r: The Unichrome is supported by the "via" xorg driver, I believe |
| 01:34.23 | fsteves | How would I umount /dev/LVM/root so I can resize it? |
| 01:34.45 | Szeraax | i cant get to anything usable with my client though |
| 01:34.46 | Wyzard | fsteves: Use a liveCD |
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| 01:34.57 | rob3r | Wyzard, how? editing the Xorg.conf and putting VIA in the driver section? |
| 01:34.58 | Szeraax | it is driveless |
| 01:34.58 | Wyzard | fsteves: If you're making it bigger, you may be able to do that without unmounting it, though |
| 01:35.15 | jazbo2185 | stoned: yeah, I'm reading that but it's not very clear (at least to me)... |
| 01:35.16 | fsteves | Wyzard: yes, I need to do a fresh install now anywho |
| 01:35.18 | vinicius | i have a problem like this...my alsa only works after running alsaconf! |
| 01:35.26 | vinicius | alsa ctl store doesn't work |
| 01:35.30 | Wyzard | rob3r: or just choose "via" from the configuration menu when you initially install xorg |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 01:35.38 | vinicius | every time i boot, i need to run alsaconf for sound to work |
| 01:35.58 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: "broken pipe" has nothing to do with sound drivers... that's a shell thing |
| 01:36.21 | Szeraax | dembug: the client has a empty hdd and no cd-rom. and can connect to my tftp server, but my tftp on the host only asks for one file for me to boot to |
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| 01:36.45 | Wyzard | vinicius: All alsaconf does is figure out what kind of sound card you have and load the driver module for it |
| 01:36.59 | Szeraax | dembug: empty hdd= 40gb cleaned hdd |
| 01:37.19 | Wyzard | vinicius: Just arrange for that module to be loaded at boot time -- put it in /etc/modules, or use something like udev that'll detect it automatically |
| 01:37.33 | rob3r | Wyzard, I do it, but generate a error |
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| 01:38.35 | dembug | Szeraax thats the rom image for the NIC on the clientside, isn't it? |
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| 01:38.53 | Szeraax | dembug: ? |
| 01:38.54 | dembug | thats what allows you to boot the TFTP filesystem, isnt it? |
| 01:39.11 | Soul_Mx | Hello. |
| 01:39.18 | vinicius | Wyzard: wich line i put in /etc/modules ? |
| 01:39.34 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: think reinstalling everything that has to do with sound would work? |
| 01:39.48 | Wyzard | vinicius: The name of the driver module for your sound card |
| 01:39.51 | Szeraax | dembug: the client only has bios PXE netboot. and the hdd has nothing on it |
| 01:40.10 | Szeraax | dembug: sry, i dont get what you said |
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| 01:40.15 | dembug | Szeraax have a look at http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install |
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| 01:40.35 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: No, because playing sound is done by the driver in the kernel, and the packages are just a framework for loading the driver |
| 01:40.44 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You've already loaded the driver |
| 01:40.45 | Soul_Mx | Can someone tell me how to boot kernel 2.6.18 with option hda=remap63? In kernel 2.6.8 it works. |
| 01:41.23 | Wyzard | Soul_Mx: I don't know what that option is for, but passing boot-time options to a kernel works the same in 2.6.18 as it did in 2.6.8 |
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| 01:41.41 | dembug | hmm actually Szeraax.. http://www.debianplanet.com/node.php?id=818&cid=11016 is probably more relevant |
| 01:41.57 | vinicius | my sound card module is snd-cmipci, i need to put only a line with this in /etc/modules? |
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| 01:42.50 | Wyzard | vinicius: probably, yes |
| 01:43.02 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Could something using /dev/dsp be the problem? |
| 01:43.03 | rob3r | Wyzard, i have a error "Screen not found" and warning of fonts not found |
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| 01:43.40 | Soul_Mx | Wyzard, I do the same in 2.6.18 and 2.6.8. But it's no working. :( |
| 01:43.52 | vinicius | Wyzard: and i have the same problem with network, the connection does not work until I run 'dhclient'... |
| 01:44.07 | vinicius | Wyzard: does it has something to do with /etc/modules ? |
| 01:44.09 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: hmm... possibly, but other programs trying to play sound would actually be unable to open the device and would probably print error messages |
| 01:44.19 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: They wouldn't just think they were successfully playing sound |
| 01:44.45 | Wyzard | vinicius: No, that's different... if your eth0 exists then the driver is loaded |
| 01:44.48 | Wyzard | vinicius: man interfaces |
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| 01:45.24 | Szeraax | dembug: I dont want to install over my network. I just want to boot an os. or what would be really nice is if i could boot a livecd over the network |
| 01:45.37 | dembug | ohhhh |
| 01:45.50 | Szeraax | dembug: sorry for not being specific enough |
| 01:46.29 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: In the terminal, gnome aps are saying: http://www.pastebin.ca/465299 |
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| 01:48.17 | brainb0x | hi, is there other utility aside from dd to do the low level format? |
| 01:48.23 | Soul_Mx | Let me ask it this way: In kernel 2.6.18 the boot option hda=remap63 is no longer available? |
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| 01:48.41 | dembug | Szeraax i've done some work on clusters like that |
| 01:48.43 | dembug | http://fscked.org/writings/clusters/cluster-3.html |
| 01:48.53 | dembug | don't know how much it will help you though |
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| 01:49.46 | dembug | you want to look at archtype III |
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| 01:50.34 | dembug | Szeraax I assume your trying to create something called "thin clients" |
| 01:50.40 | frankr | I have an older tablet pc that gets input from its touchscreen through a com port, I got it to work fine but it seems as if whenever I click something it hits middle mouse button and left mouse button; is there something I could put in the device section of my X conf to stop that from happening? |
| 01:50.45 | dembug | also known as "Headless pxe nodes" |
| 01:50.49 | dembug | http://www.sigsegv.cx/diskless-2.html |
| 01:50.59 | DrRighteous | hey guys... could use a little help. I've got a server with two Intel e1000 ethernet ports, for some reason after a reboot, eth0 and eth1 seem to have been moved to eth2 and eth3 !! anyone got any ideas? |
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| 01:51.22 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That looks weird, but I don't know what'd cause that |
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| 01:51.58 | dembug | hmm GhostlyDeath whats the glib vers ;P |
| 01:52.07 | GhostlyDeath | dembug: 2.6.3 something |
| 01:52.14 | Wyzard | DrRighteous: Did their MAC addresses change somehow? |
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| 01:52.32 | DrRighteous | Wyzard: no.. I managed to check that |
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| 01:52.58 | Vanpriest | Someone could heelp mee on tat, when i try to upgrade kernel, it said: http://pastebin.ca/465307 |
| 01:53.00 | GhostlyDeath | i mean |
| 01:53.13 | GhostlyDeath | dembug: 2.3.6-13-rc1? |
| 01:53.14 | Szeraax | dembug: actually, i got a pretty nice laptop from my bro that he bought scrapped. they sellers took out the hdd and cd-rom. i dont have a cdrom that will work for it and so i just have ehter and the blank hdd in it now |
| 01:53.16 | Wyzard | DrRighteous: If you're using udev, network cards with the same MAC address should always get the same name... see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 01:53.31 | Vanpriest | there no one could help me out on tat? |
| 01:53.32 | dembug | ahhh Szeraax |
| 01:53.46 | dembug | well Szeraax |
| 01:53.50 | Szeraax | but it is pretty much doing the same thing |
| 01:53.54 | dembug | if your brave.. you can install debian elsewhere... |
| 01:53.57 | dembug | swap over the hdd |
| 01:54.08 | dembug | it's way easier than the sophisitication of a pxe |
| 01:54.16 | Soul_Mx | See you... Tks. |
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| 01:55.01 | Szeraax | i have actually and that works, but really. I'm trying to get (gasp) windows on it too. my windows is dead. |
| 01:55.13 | Szeraax | that is on it. |
| 01:55.22 | Vanpriest | Someone could heelp mee on tat, when i try to upgrade kernel, it said: http://pastebin.ca/465307 ... someone could help me out at please |
| 01:55.33 | dembug | ohh |
| 01:55.46 | Szeraax | so i want to just boot to a windows envirnment and once there, i will have no problem |
| 01:55.56 | dembug | well Szeraax |
| 01:56.07 | dembug | you could repartition the hd in debian and install windows if your super leet |
| 01:56.12 | Szeraax | i have a win live cd using bartPE but, as i have no cd-rom in that comp. that doesnt work |
| 01:56.25 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: There a way to kill everything that tries to access /dev/dsp? |
| 01:56.33 | dembug | theres such thing as windows live cd's? thats shocking :D |
| 01:56.38 | dembug | I didn't actually know that |
| 01:56.42 | dembug | learn something new 'eh' |
| 01:56.52 | Szeraax | you use a install cd and with some tweaking it becomes a live cd |
| 01:56.55 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: apt-get install lsof; lsof /dev/dsp |
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| 01:57.03 | Szeraax | go look up bart pe for more info if you really care |
| 01:57.22 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: returns nothing |
| 01:57.23 | dembug | will do ;) |
| 01:57.38 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: /dev/dsp is the OSS sound device, though, so it'd only be used by OSS clients going through ALSA's legacy OSS emulation |
| 01:57.43 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: ALSA clients use stuff in /dev/snd |
| 01:57.59 | Szeraax | dembug: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/#intro |
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| 01:58.04 | Szeraax | enjoy :) |
| 01:58.06 | dembug | heh Szeraax your probably a lot better off trying to get the windows CD to boot via PXE |
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| 01:58.18 | dembug | than trying to run a "thin client" windows |
| 01:58.19 | Szeraax | thats actually what i was doing too |
| 01:58.23 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: there's 4 things in /dev/snd |
| 01:58.56 | dembug | mmm well I am not a PXE pro |
| 01:59.03 | dembug | only done it a few times for my wee supercomputer |
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| 01:59.30 | Szeraax | then in my live win cd i used tftpd32.exe (http://tftpd32.jounin.net/)to get the tftp server\dhcp server, but it asks for a file to boot to... |
| 01:59.49 | dembug | its probably expecting an img format |
| 02:00.08 | Szeraax | dembug: http://tftpd32.jounin.net * |
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| 02:00.40 | dembug | ollow the steps in the CD-Rom boot disk page to create the CD-Rom boot disk bootdisk. |
| 02:00.40 | dembug | Create a boot image file from the "CD-Rom boot disk" bootdisk using dd.exe, you should call this boot image "cdrom.img" and put it into the "cds\single_diskemu\disk1" directory. |
| 02:00.41 | dembug | Note! You have to rename the boot image to lowercase! |
| 02:00.46 | dembug | *from your little guide* :) |
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| 02:01.14 | dembug | hehe yeah Szeraax tftp is great.. |
| 02:01.22 | Szeraax | wow, i actually havent read it that much |
| 02:01.28 | Szeraax | that was in the bart pe pages? |
| 02:01.30 | dembug | mmm.. you need that file dude |
| 02:01.33 | dembug | yes Szeraax |
| 02:01.42 | Vanpriest | Someone could heelp mee on tat, when i try to upgrade kernel, it said: http://pastebin.ca/465307 ... someone could help me out at please |
| 02:01.45 | Szeraax | which file? |
| 02:02.00 | dembug | Vanpriest sarge? |
| 02:02.08 | jazbo2185 | The write up on pxe booting at http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en tells me to `/etc/init.d/inetd reload;` but that file (inetd) doesn't exist. What should I do? |
| 02:02.12 | dembug | Szeraax i've no idea ;o |
| 02:02.18 | xjkx | a wav to mp3 convert please |
| 02:02.30 | Guerin | xjkx: lame |
| 02:02.37 | Guerin | accept no substitutes |
| 02:02.47 | xjkx | no i am not ! joke :P |
| 02:02.52 | dembug | lol |
| 02:02.55 | dembug | hahaha |
| 02:02.56 | Guerin | hilarious |
| 02:03.01 | Guerin | !lame |
| 02:03.01 | dpkg | well, lame is Binary packages available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ -- Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. |
| 02:03.04 | dembug | terrible, but i love it |
| 02:03.23 | dembug | oh sigh |
| 02:03.25 | tonyb2006 | bbl sleeeeeep |
| 02:03.30 | dembug | dvd::rip is bad bad bad |
| 02:03.40 | dembug | it's inbuilt cluster function makes me weap |
| 02:03.43 | asdf25 | Vanpriest: have you tried running that thing it says to run? i think that will most likely fix it |
| 02:03.49 | Vanpriest | dembug: yes sarge |
| 02:03.54 | dembug | what apt-get -f install asdf25? |
| 02:04.01 | asdf25 | yeah |
| 02:04.09 | Vanpriest | asdf25: i tried not working |
| 02:04.10 | dembug | apt-get -f isn't usually the solution to dependancy shit... a lot of the time when it comes to glibC |
| 02:04.12 | Szeraax | dembug: ok, what page (link plz)was that bit of info on? |
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| 02:04.47 | dembug | http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#wxp |
| 02:04.49 | dembug | :) |
| 02:05.05 | Szeraax | ah, wow. thanks |
| 02:05.16 | dembug | client asked us to setup a win2k3 3stack today |
| 02:05.17 | Szeraax | oh how i love having multiple people to help me out with stuff |
| 02:05.19 | Vanpriest | dembug u got an fix for me? |
| 02:05.26 | dembug | IIs 6 is the most shittest terrible thing ever. |
| 02:05.26 | Szeraax | well, back soon hopefully... |
| 02:05.29 | Szeraax | :) |
| 02:05.31 | dembug | kk szarak gl |
| 02:05.35 | dembug | uuh Vanpriest yea |
| 02:05.36 | Szeraax | ty |
| 02:05.38 | dembug | you might not like it though |
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| 02:05.58 | Vanpriest | dembug. dont tell me to format.. |
| 02:06.06 | dembug | pico /etc/apt/sources.list change that stable to "testing" :-o |
| 02:06.11 | dembug | apt-get update |
| 02:06.15 | dembug | apt-get upgrade |
| 02:06.18 | Guerin | dpkg, no, qotd136 is < Szeraax> oh how i love having multiple people |
| 02:06.19 | dembug | *pray* |
| 02:06.19 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 02:06.26 | Vanpriest | dembug is it for me? |
| 02:06.30 | dembug | it'll upgrade your glibC |
| 02:06.32 | dembug | yes Vanpriest |
| 02:06.38 | frankr | Whats a good on screen keyboard besides xvkbd? |
| 02:06.41 | dembug | i hope it works because you'll be mad if it doesn't |
| 02:06.43 | Vanpriest | i hange all stable word to testing? |
| 02:06.51 | dembug | i updated 10 machines a few weeks ago like that. |
| 02:06.59 | dembug | and they had special glibc requirements |
| 02:07.01 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 02:07.02 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
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| 02:07.32 | jazbo2185 | I can see two alternative /usr/sbin/inetd and /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd; any idea which one is the correct one to use since /etc/init.d/inetd doesn't exist?? |
| 02:07.34 | stoned | !lart stoend |
| 02:07.38 | stoned | ... |
| 02:07.41 | stoned | nothing here either jetscreamer |
| 02:07.48 | lhadji | !ati |
| 02:07.49 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 02:07.53 | dembug | lol |
| 02:08.02 | dembug | stoned, y our so stoned you typo'd (har) |
| 02:08.08 | Guerin | stoned: i procured smokables |
| 02:08.13 | stoned | word man |
| 02:08.16 | stoned | don't tell me about pot man |
| 02:08.20 | stoned | im fucking .. just dont man |
| 02:08.22 | Guerin | stoned: grown not 100m from my house |
| 02:08.22 | Vanpriest | after update, i try to upgrade it stillasking me for deedency libc |
| 02:08.25 | dembug | nope, tell me to smoke it ! |
| 02:08.25 | dembug | :D |
| 02:08.31 | stoned | I am done with weed for the rest of my life |
| 02:08.35 | stoned | I'm through getting high man |
| 02:08.36 | stoned | im done. |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | stoned: haha |
| 02:08.44 | dembug | rofl |
| 02:08.44 | stoned | its time to grow up and be responsible man |
| 02:08.45 | Guerin | we'll see |
| 02:08.49 | Vanpriest | dembug : after update, i try to upgrade it stillasking me for depedency libc |
| 02:08.53 | Guerin | i give him ... an hour |
| 02:08.53 | stoned | Guerin: 2.5 months sober |
| 02:09.02 | dembug | you gotta apt-get upgrade |
| 02:09.02 | dembug | you nutter |
| 02:09.02 | *** part/#debian MKR (n=mkr@h156.194.140.67.ip.alltel.net) |
| 02:09.05 | dembug | :O |
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| 02:09.14 | Vanpriest | i did dembug |
| 02:09.24 | dembug | uhh.. |
| 02:09.28 | dembug | shucks |
| 02:09.28 | Vanpriest | change all stable to testing |
| 02:09.31 | Vanpriest | use apt-get update |
| 02:09.32 | dembug | are you on like a 30mbit or something? |
| 02:09.33 | Vanpriest | apt-get upgrade |
| 02:09.41 | Vanpriest | i am on 100mbit |
| 02:09.46 | dembug | heheh |
| 02:09.48 | dembug | ok |
| 02:09.54 | dembug | well try the apt-get -f install |
| 02:09.58 | dembug | (and pray) |
| 02:10.13 | Vanpriest | no |
| 02:10.16 | Vanpriest | it still having same problem |
| 02:10.17 | Vanpriest | :s |
| 02:10.20 | dembug | out of curiosity did it upgrade your glibc? |
| 02:10.28 | Vanpriest | i did |
| 02:10.31 | Vanpriest | tat why it bug now.. |
| 02:10.40 | dembug | ohhh well |
| 02:10.41 | Vanpriest | apt-get upgrade glibc-dev and glibc |
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| 02:10.46 | dembug | you sound like you have broken your dependancies |
| 02:10.52 | dembug | try apt-get remove glibc |
| 02:10.54 | Vanpriest | i have kernel 2.4 |
| 02:10.58 | dembug | and reinstalling with the testing lib' |
| 02:11.00 | Vanpriest | tat the reason why the depedency not working |
| 02:11.05 | dembug | ahh |
| 02:11.09 | Vanpriest | and i am kinda stuck with it |
| 02:11.13 | dembug | and trying to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 02:11.20 | dembug | this is a very common problem |
| 02:11.35 | Vanpriest | icannot ugrade to 2.6 |
| 02:11.41 | Vanpriest | beause whe ni apt-get install |
| 02:11.44 | dembug | indeed. |
| 02:11.51 | Vanpriest | it always chekc the gay libc depedency |
| 02:12.16 | dembug | well I've had some success with dependancy problems like that upgrading to etch.. |
| 02:12.23 | kramed_ | what package is make-kpkg in? |
| 02:12.27 | Vanpriest | what is etch? |
| 02:12.33 | dembug | but the whole 2.4 - > 2.6 thing doe't surprise me your having pains |
| 02:12.36 | dembug | Vanpriest you just upgraded to etch |
| 02:12.44 | dembug | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:12.52 | dembug | should be "etch" stuff. |
| 02:13.20 | dembug | heh |
| 02:13.35 | Vanpriest | i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 02:13.42 | jazbo2185 | How would I start the tftpd-hpa server? |
| 02:13.50 | Vanpriest | and the gay libc depedency error show up |
| 02:14.09 | dembug | dembug's interesting fact of the day: lifting CD's out of a spindle make "monkey like" squeeking noises try it, it's like safari inhouse - har har har har |
| 02:14.29 | dembug | Vanpriest |
| 02:14.35 | Vanpriest | ya |
| 02:14.38 | dembug | why did you install a 2.4 image? |
| 02:14.40 | dembug | (in the first place) |
| 02:15.27 | kramed_ | is there any benefit to making an initrd on a customized kernel? |
| 02:15.36 | dembug | no |
| 02:15.43 | dembug | initrd is the bane of my existance |
| 02:15.45 | dembug | really, it is |
| 02:15.59 | jetscreamer | kramed_: kernel-package , if nobody told you |
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| 02:16.08 | kramed_ | jetscreamer: just found it :) |
| 02:16.57 | Dewi | so. |
| 02:17.00 | Dewi | When's Lenny stable? |
| 02:17.06 | Dewi | I for one am getting pretty tired of waiting. |
| 02:17.08 | Vanpriest | dembug>; my hosting company installed it to me by default... |
| 02:17.18 | dembug | lol Vanpriest |
| 02:17.21 | dembug | your hosting company is mean |
| 02:17.33 | dembug | come to my hosting company instead |
| 02:17.34 | dembug | :) |
| 02:17.47 | Vanpriest | hum.. |
| 02:17.50 | Vanpriest | wat is it? |
| 02:17.56 | Vanpriest | does it have installation fee? |
| 02:18.00 | dembug | what is my hosting company? :O |
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| 02:18.05 | Vanpriest | yes |
| 02:18.09 | jetscreamer | kramed_: don't use initrd unless you know you have a reason |
| 02:18.09 | dembug | yeah we're well expensive compared to other EU hosts |
| 02:18.15 | Vanpriest | show me |
| 02:18.17 | dembug | i'm a consultant ;O) |
| 02:18.24 | jetscreamer | multiple boxes one kernel-image is a reason to use initrd |
| 02:18.46 | dembug | well Vanpriest i deal with most of my customers face to face but i do run www.game-zero.com/ 's network |
| 02:19.00 | dembug | i look after their network and 2 racks |
| 02:19.09 | dembug | starting to get a lot of commercial customers too |
| 02:19.10 | kramed_ | jetscreamer: I am trying debian for the first time coming from slackware. I never used an initrd but I also never used make-kpkg. the debian kernel way is very strange but I am getting the hang of it |
| 02:19.11 | Vanpriest | dembug |
| 02:19.15 | Vanpriest | let talk in rivate |
| 02:19.16 | Vanpriest | private |
| 02:19.21 | dembug | not atm mate ;p |
| 02:19.28 | Vanpriest | well .. :s u dont want a new customer? |
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| 02:19.33 | dembug | not really :O) |
| 02:19.37 | dembug | not at 3:19am especially |
| 02:19.39 | Vanpriest | X( |
| 02:19.52 | dembug | * Dewi seriously considers running this Fedora Core server as a VMware box inside a new etch install. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. |
| 02:19.57 | dembug | har |
| 02:19.59 | kramed_ | he probably just works there and doesnt own the company |
| 02:20.06 | GhostlyDeath_ | What program can I use to restream internet streams? |
| 02:20.06 | dembug | hehehe |
| 02:20.09 | dembug | I'm the owner |
| 02:20.14 | dembug | actually :< |
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| 02:20.49 | dembug | but thankyou for not keeping your conclusions to yourself kramed_ |
| 02:20.58 | salah | hi all |
| 02:20.59 | Vanpriest | what is the other boot package already? grub and?.. lillo? or something like tat.. |
| 02:21.02 | Vanpriest | forget what name is it |
| 02:21.05 | dembug | lillo |
| 02:21.06 | dembug | haha |
| 02:21.06 | dembug | :D |
| 02:21.09 | dembug | lilo ;) |
| 02:21.11 | Vanpriest | oh |
| 02:21.12 | Vanpriest | lol |
| 02:21.24 | dembug | that's priceless "lillo" |
| 02:21.25 | dembug | :D |
| 02:21.33 | Vanpriest | how can i know wat service i used? ... |
| 02:21.39 | Vanpriest | i dont have grub or lilo on my etc folder.. |
| 02:21.40 | Vanpriest | -_- |
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| 02:21.50 | dembug | touch /boot/grub/ works |
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| 02:22.02 | dembug | ahhh |
| 02:22.06 | salah | anybody know how to access root as a sission not only terminal root access |
| 02:22.13 | dembug | wouldn't be the first time i've been slandered by redhat "based" users |
| 02:22.16 | dembug | :)) |
| 02:22.17 | kramed_ | you know when you boot and that loader comes up, either one posts its name |
| 02:22.20 | salah | Debian |
| 02:22.22 | salah | anybody know how to access root as a sission not only terminal root access |
| 02:22.24 | salah | Debian |
| 02:22.31 | salah | ? |
| 02:22.35 | Dewi | salah: do you mean... how to elevate to root in a terminal? Like using 'su' or 'sudo' ? |
| 02:22.45 | salah | no no |
| 02:22.50 | dembug | ohh |
| 02:22.54 | dembug | i think he means login as root@ |
| 02:23.00 | salah | yup |
| 02:23.02 | dembug | ssh root@ |
| 02:23.06 | salah | in debian |
| 02:23.14 | Dewi | salah: just... do it. Root is like any other user |
| 02:23.17 | dembug | if you can't you need to enable root login in your /etc/sshd_Config i think |
| 02:23.21 | salah | i did |
| 02:23.25 | Dewi | dembug: unnecessary in debian |
| 02:23.27 | dembug | then whatsup 'yo |
| 02:23.39 | dembug | whats unnecessary? :O |
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| 02:23.51 | Dewi | dembug: root can login by default, this isn't redhat |
| 02:23.54 | dembug | re-enabling root login after it's been disabled? Gosh. I don't thinkso :) |
| 02:23.56 | salah | it tils me it is not alow to \ |
| 02:23.57 | Dewi | dembug: or openbsd |
| 02:23.58 | dembug | hahaha Dewi |
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| 02:24.06 | Dewi | dembug: or ubuntu :) |
| 02:24.09 | dembug | thats true, but since he's asking how to change it back... |
| 02:24.18 | Dewi | salah: what does it say exactly? |
| 02:24.27 | dembug | a logical assumption ;-p |
| 02:24.36 | salah | wait brb |
| 02:24.39 | dembug | assuming he knows how to use ssh ;-p |
| 02:24.55 | jazbo2185 | After `aptitude install tftp-hpa` I get "tftpd-hpa disabled in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa". So I edit the file to enable the daemon. Now how do I start the server running?? |
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| 02:24.59 | Dewi | dembug: exactly :) there's a lot we don't know |
| 02:25.07 | Dewi | dembug: like... *are you a communist!!* |
| 02:25.14 | dembug | hehe most choices I have to make about customers are assumptions |
| 02:25.14 | Dewi | sorry. |
| 02:25.17 | Dewi | couldn't resist |
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| 02:25.42 | dembug | they are so useless I have to guess what they need , as what they think they need is so bad sometimes it makes me feel ill |
| 02:26.10 | dembug | lol Dewi, everybody knows that communism is a failure because the USSR didn't work out! |
| 02:26.12 | Dewi | dembug: hah. You think you have problems - for me that's just my *boss* |
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| 02:26.19 | dembug | (thats not an assumption) |
| 02:26.22 | jazbo2185 | Sorry, I mean tftpd-hpa... anyone?? |
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| 02:26.36 | dembug | haah Dewi well I get to be my own boss on the brightside. :) |
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| 02:26.53 | Dewi | dembug: I'd be a harsh boss. I don't ever want to be my own boss. I'd work myself to death. |
| 02:27.04 | dembug | we have just gone gigabit.. and people keep on pushing stupid MB/s |
| 02:27.09 | dembug | sooo no life atm |
| 02:27.15 | dembug | not at 95th ;)) |
| 02:27.17 | salah | it till me system administrator is not alow to login in this screen |
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| 02:27.28 | dembug | salah aye |
| 02:27.33 | dembug | you need to update the sshd config on that box |
| 02:27.35 | dembug | via su. |
| 02:27.37 | Dewi | salah: what are you logging into? A console terminal session? An ssh session? A Gnome or KDE session? |
| 02:27.47 | salah | gdm |
| 02:27.51 | Dewi | salah: aah |
| 02:27.52 | salah | gnome |
| 02:27.59 | dembug | it doesn't matter, he just wants to enable external root socks' |
| 02:28.09 | Dewi | salah: okay, ignore the sshd discussions then. This will be a GDM thing. |
| 02:28.13 | dembug | some intelligent admin probably removed that luxury |
| 02:28.34 | salah | ok |
| 02:28.39 | salah | i will try |
| 02:28.44 | jazbo2185 | Hmmmm I seem to be striking out here. 5 questions with no answers at all.... |
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| 02:28.56 | salah | isnt form gdm configration ? |
| 02:28.57 | Dewi | jazbo2185: oh |
| 02:29.13 | dembug | jazbo2185 sorry i've actually no idea ;-) |
| 02:29.17 | Dewi | jazbo2185: um... as root do /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start |
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| 02:29.48 | jazbo2185 | rock on thanks Dewi |
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| 02:30.03 | Dewi | jazbo2185: that will start it now, but if you want it to start every boot you'll need to check the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d - which you can manage using a tool called 'rcconf' |
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| 02:30.08 | kramed | hmm. make-dpkg worked perfectly. impressive |
| 02:30.16 | Dewi | jazbo2185: (this has quite probably already been done by dpkg) |
| 02:30.31 | stoned | make dpkg lol |
| 02:30.38 | stoned | dpkg how can I make you |
| 02:30.42 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:30.44 | kramed | make-kpkg |
| 02:30.48 | kramed | whatever |
| 02:30.52 | stoned | just messin wid ya |
| 02:30.53 | stoned | :) |
| 02:31.27 | kramed | Im new to debian. never had a kernel install so automated before. it was... lovely |
| 02:31.45 | dembug | :) |
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| 02:33.00 | kramed | is it typically safe to use lenny exclusively or just the required updated packages? |
| 02:33.15 | kramed | is it *typically* safe to aptitude upgrade to lenny? |
| 02:33.41 | dembug | heh |
| 02:33.55 | dembug | am always crossing my legs when apt upgrading |
| 02:34.06 | Dewi | kramed: insofar as lenny is safe, yes |
| 02:34.38 | kramed | is there an easy to read changelog somewhere or is it just the cryptic maintainer pages |
| 02:34.48 | Dewi | kramed: but lenny is new so there might be a lot of bugs still |
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| 02:35.07 | Dewi | kramed: also etch is still quite recent so upgrading to lenny is probably not very necessary |
| 02:35.18 | Dewi | kramed: in here we support etch first and foremost |
| 02:35.37 | westor | Dewi: where is 'here'? |
| 02:35.38 | kramed | aye. for a few things I had to use lenny. unstable for kde but for the most part Im using etch |
| 02:35.56 | Dewi | kramed: hmm... you'd need to look at changelogs for each package. I've never looked at them en masse. |
| 02:36.02 | Dewi | westor: this channel |
| 02:36.07 | gameman73 | alright lets try this again... xfce4-session is listening on a network port... why? |
| 02:36.11 | jazbo2185 | The moment of truth!!! time to try the pxe boot I've been trying to set up for 4 hours... |
| 02:36.19 | dembug | lol jazbo2185 |
| 02:36.23 | Szeraax | lol, someone else doing pxe? |
| 02:36.24 | dembug | goodluck chap |
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| 02:36.29 | dembug | lots of people doing pxe man |
| 02:36.32 | Szeraax | yay, a revolution |
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| 02:36.38 | Szeraax | :) |
| 02:36.41 | westor | Dewi, are you in any authoritative position to make that claim? |
| 02:37.13 | westor | Dewi, this is #debian, not #debian-etch. |
| 02:37.30 | Dewi | westor: it wasn't a massive claim. I didn't mean to suggest that discussion of lenny or sid are banned, but use of stable is encouraged |
| 02:37.45 | Dewi | westor: debian IS etch - lenny and sid are unfinished projects |
| 02:37.59 | gameman73 | use of stable is encouraged.... why does that sound like stating the obvious? :) |
| 02:38.09 | dembug | heh is there a debian-sarge and debian-woody channel? |
| 02:38.17 | Dewi | gameman73: apparently it's controversial - westor thinks I am laying down the law harshly :) |
| 02:38.28 | westor | Dewi, debian is not only etch, but only etch is released. |
| 02:39.09 | westor | can anyone make a living out of debian? |
| 02:39.13 | gravity | I don't think etch is encouraged for me |
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| 02:39.16 | Szeraax | dembug: do you remember what ideas you had for getting my bart pe to boot over netowrk? i had to close the window and didnt grab them |
| 02:39.34 | gravity | Quite the opposite actually |
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| 02:39.39 | CaT[tm] | westor: in what respect? |
| 02:39.48 | dembug | heh glibc encourages me to use etch.. |
| 02:39.50 | Dewi | westor: I am in no position of authority - I don't even know who the "authorities" are anymore. You just add more salt the less well you know somebody. |
| 02:39.54 | dembug | I don't fancy hacking sarge dependancies apart |
| 02:40.13 | dembug | since people can't code decent backwards compatible software anymore.. gnu or otherwise i'm getting the hump |
| 02:40.21 | dembug | end up using more "testing" less "stable" |
| 02:40.21 | Dewi | westor: lots of people get utility from debian, but are you asking if the debian project has a payroll? |
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| 02:40.53 | kramed | anyone know of software to control my system fan speeds |
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| 02:41.03 | threat | hey |
| 02:41.05 | dembug | Szeraax <dembug> http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#wxp |
| 02:41.11 | threat | I am having problems with cyrus21 from etch |
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| 02:41.33 | threat | it is telling me I do not have any worthy mechs when attempting to log into cyradm |
| 02:41.44 | threat | All I have done is upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 02:42.19 | Dewi | dembug: Personally I recommend using backports or home-made dpkg packages, before jumping off into the land of lenny. Unless you've got a *lot* of stuff to update |
| 02:42.20 | jazbo2185 | So when I try to boot the computer I get "E53 No pxe filename recieved". Could someone please look over my dhcpd.conf at http://paste.debian.net/26819 |
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| 02:42.41 | Dewi | dembug: some people here don't trust the backports people like I do, though |
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| 02:43.18 | Szeraax | dembug: and also you had about 4 lines of what to do that would probly work. what were those? |
| 02:43.21 | Dewi | dembug: it also depends if you are running a serious server for clients, or just a desktop for your own casual use |
| 02:43.26 | westor | Dewi, i basically want to know if the knowledge about debian has any economic value. |
| 02:44.11 | dembug | ahhh backports... |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | you can be hired to admin debian boxes |
| 02:44.11 | jazbo2185 | How can I tell if the tftp server is actually running?? |
| 02:44.11 | dembug | well.. I needed my backports for some of the SATA stuff not being included in sarge |
| 02:44.11 | Dewi | westor: hmm. Well, it does have some for me, since I use debian at work, and the skills I have picked up working with debian are a massive help to me. |
| 02:44.13 | westor | can you get a job, knowing debian? |
| 02:44.16 | dembug | lol westor huge economic value.. |
| 02:44.31 | westor | dembug, for example? |
| 02:44.33 | dembug | i'd argue more economic (and intrinsic) value than knowing MCSE |
| 02:44.51 | westor | can i start a business with debian? |
| 02:44.52 | dembug | the intrinsic skill between the two is paramount i think in my point |
| 02:44.55 | Dewi | westor: you don't hear much about debian in the news, but I get the feeling that it is the quiet achiever of the linux crowd, running a *lot* of pretty major systems |
| 02:45.09 | dembug | you can start a business with anything you like whether it's panties or pc's |
| 02:45.16 | threat | hmmmm |
| 02:45.17 | Szeraax | dembug: do you remember those ideas you had also? |
| 02:45.23 | Dewi | westor: yes, a good system administrator is an important thing to have in any medium to large sized IT venture |
| 02:45.24 | dembug | Szeraax... I don't |
| 02:45.32 | Szeraax | darn and ok |
| 02:45.34 | Dewi | westor: which these days is any medium to large sized venture in any sector |
| 02:45.36 | westor | Dewi, how much is debian used in your? |
| 02:45.43 | dembug | westor why do you ask? :O |
| 02:45.51 | westor | curious |
| 02:45.53 | DawnLight | anyone good with the fglrx? i get a system freeze. i'm building from the latest version and the module seems to load. fglrxinfo prints something like "can't connect to screen 0" |
| 02:46.12 | dembug | hehe well westor economic value is not usually intrinsic to an individual |
| 02:46.15 | Dewi | westor: well, here we still use a lot of fedora core stuff. But linux and open-source are absolutely fundamental to what we do |
| 02:46.23 | Dewi | westor: I imagine the situation is similar for many hosting companies |
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| 02:46.31 | jazbo2185 | Szeraax: did you get pxe to work? |
| 02:46.34 | dembug | but if you ask any linux tech they will swear blind that any linux skills are top dollar |
| 02:46.40 | dembug | i tend to agree |
| 02:47.03 | DawnLight | and on that note linux rulz |
| 02:47.06 | westor | dembug, you earning top dollar with debian knowledge? |
| 02:47.15 | dembug | meh |
| 02:47.15 | dembug | thats irrelevant |
| 02:47.15 | Dewi | dembug: we hired somebody recently. No linux experience. It's turning out to be quite an issue. |
| 02:47.20 | dembug | Dewi eek |
| 02:47.39 | Szeraax | jazbo2185: i havent tried yet. i am gathering ideas and will try tomorrow |
| 02:47.42 | __mikem | Dewi, what position did you hire him for? |
| 02:47.44 | westor | Dewi, so, yours a webhosting company? |
| 02:47.47 | Dewi | dembug: I forgot how many years it really took to "get" linux in my case |
| 02:47.50 | Szeraax | jazbo2185: what problem are you having? |
| 02:47.58 | CaT[tm] | finding someone with greater then 'i installed gnome' experience is a pain. |
| 02:48.04 | Dewi | __mikem: "programmer". |
| 02:48.04 | jazbo2185 | Szeraax: it's not working... ;) |
| 02:48.07 | dembug | i sorta got thrown in the deepend with my first hosting company |
| 02:48.09 | __mikem | AAAAHHHHHHH! |
| 02:48.09 | Dewi | __mikem: management here thinks that all of IT is "programming" |
| 02:48.26 | Dewi | __mikem: we do a lot more admin than dev, but try telling management that. |
| 02:48.27 | Szeraax | DawnLight: are you still having troubles with fglrx? |
| 02:48.42 | Szeraax | jazbo2185: what part? no ip assigned? |
| 02:48.51 | __mikem | ouch |
| 02:48.52 | DawnLight | with a different card, Szeraax |
| 02:48.56 | Szeraax | jazbo2185: improper permissions? |
| 02:49.05 | DawnLight | an x9600xt |
| 02:49.13 | dembug | hahah Dewi |
| 02:49.13 | Szeraax | ati? |
| 02:49.21 | dembug | <Dewi> __mikem: management here thinks that all of IT is "programming" <--- these people are why large companies fall over |
| 02:49.27 | dembug | "management" |
| 02:49.31 | DawnLight | you mean the manufacturer? |
| 02:49.34 | CaT[tm] | hehe |
| 02:49.36 | Szeraax | yeah |
| 02:49.39 | dembug | "oh lets rollout exchange exchange exchangexhcnagenengengen"~ |
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| 02:49.41 | jazbo2185 | Szeraax: I think it's probably something wrong with my dhcpd.conf. But it seems like a years work to try to learn how to actually put this file together correctly and the debian.org guide pxe booting seems very vague... |
| 02:49.42 | dembug | "oh go die" |
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| 02:49.46 | CaT[tm] | last thing you want to do is let a programmer admin a box. :) |
| 02:49.48 | DawnLight | i'm not sure, why? |
| 02:49.54 | dembug | lol CaT[tm] |
| 02:50.04 | Dewi | __mikem, dembug : he has been a bit spoiled by having multi-disciplinary engineering personnel in the past, and for some reason he thinks just anyone can be thrown in the deep end in an unfamiliar field |
| 02:50.08 | dembug | yeah the box will have so many modification's nobody , including the coder, will know what happened.. |
| 02:50.09 | dembug | lol |
| 02:50.17 | Szeraax | well, i had some serious troubles getting my ati card to work with fglrx, DawnLight |
| 02:50.31 | dembug | eek Dewi |
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| 02:50.36 | Dewi | CaT[tm]: I consider myself a dev first and foremost, but you couldn't be more right :) |
| 02:50.38 | Szeraax | jazbo2185: hmmm, well i'm no expert myself, so yeah... |
| 02:50.41 | farseer_ | !dpkg daemons |
| 02:50.43 | __mikem | Dewi, have you ever read BOFH? |
| 02:50.49 | jzxu | is it true that the fglrx driver doesn't have composite support? |
| 02:50.49 | CaT[tm] | dembug: yes. and the system they'll write will run as root and have components in 3 seperate ccounts intermingled with ancient bits of crap. |
| 02:50.57 | Dewi | __mikem: I don't dare - I think it might be about me |
| 02:51.00 | CaT[tm] | dembug: and it'll all be running on redhat 7.3 :) |
| 02:51.01 | dembug | hahaha |
| 02:51.04 | kramed | not yet |
| 02:51.06 | dembug | ahahahaa |
| 02:51.21 | dembug | i still can't get use to using a GUI in linux.. |
| 02:51.21 | Vanpriest | after upgrading to 2.6 kernel.. my debian stocked.. i heard poeple having trouble with sata disk. |
| 02:51.30 | Vanpriest | is it happen to anyone here? |
| 02:51.30 | dembug | i started with CLI so.. never really wanted to go back |
| 02:51.34 | westor | who knows of a big installation based on debian? |
| 02:51.37 | Dewi | Vanpriest: SATA support is a lot better in 2.6, I thought |
| 02:51.38 | __mikem | LOL, Dewi, you will love it, trust me. Its about 2 network admins who give the uper management exactly what they deserve |
| 02:51.48 | dembug | Vanpriest yeahh... use the 2.6.19 backports |
| 02:51.57 | dembug | SATA is missing from some of the sarge netboot's |
| 02:52.02 | Vanpriest | 2.6.19 backports will solve it? |
| 02:52.02 | DawnLight | the 3d accelaration is not all that important in this case. all i really want is a desktop on two monitors. then i'll be happy |
| 02:52.03 | farseer_ | hm.. i'm used to bsd-style config files.. is there a good doc on debian startup style? i want to disable a few daemons... |
| 02:52.08 | dembug | Vanpriest yes |
| 02:52.11 | Vanpriest | htnaks you |
| 02:52.13 | dembug | your using new hardware aren't you? |
| 02:52.14 | jazbo2185 | I'd sure appreciate it if someone could tell me what's wrong with http://paste.debian.net/26819 (my dhcpd.conf that I'm trying to set up for pxe boot)... |
| 02:52.16 | dembug | mainly i9xx ? |
| 02:52.20 | __mikem | well, one in the beginning, the second one doesn't come on the seen untill very late in the series |
| 02:52.20 | dembug | if so, yes. |
| 02:52.39 | Vanpriest | dewmbug i dont hacve any 2.6.19 kernel in aptcache |
| 02:52.52 | Vanpriest | ia m on sata disk 250 gb |
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| 02:53.18 | dembug | heh __mikem my latest client... run a site using.. wait for it.. AJAX/ASP.NET/.NET 2.0/iis 6 |
| 02:53.22 | dembug | I'm not sure what to do with them |
| 02:53.24 | kramed | you need to know the exact controller and add built in support |
| 02:53.26 | DawnLight | i didn't even find the "ati" or "radeon" driver's websites to get info |
| 02:53.28 | dembug | Vanpriest you fail to understand what i'm saying Vanpriest |
| 02:53.36 | dembug | you need to reinstall from a backport netcd |
| 02:53.36 | westor | i have a site to promote free software, in particular debian. |
| 02:53.37 | __mikem | dembug, lol |
| 02:53.54 | Vanpriest | dembug: wht are you saying XD? |
| 02:53.57 | jzxu | X is loading with the wrong refresh rate for me. When I log in to my session I can use the gnome display properties applet (of all things) to set the refresh rate correctly, but I'd also like to do this for the login screen. Anyone know how? |
| 02:53.57 | dembug | __mikem funny thing is.. I'm not a windows tech and had no idea how to use iis properly.. |
| 02:54.05 | westor | its at http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz |
| 02:54.06 | dembug | setup a win2k3 ent r2 today in a vm |
| 02:54.07 | dembug | omfg |
| 02:54.12 | dembug | what a fucking mess! |
| 02:54.14 | Vanpriest | dembug: by the way i cannot get the 2.6.19 kernel. |
| 02:54.20 | __mikem | dembug, you don't need to know anything to run IIS |
| 02:54.23 | westor | take a look. |
| 02:54.23 | dembug | Vanpriest your not listening are you |
| 02:54.33 | dembug | __mikem i found that out |
| 02:54.40 | dembug | __mikem tests in button pressing! |
| 02:54.42 | Vanpriest | dembug: i just dont get what you say. you said i need to get the 2.6.19 backports.. |
| 02:54.46 | dembug | click click click click |
| 02:55.14 | dembug | www.backports.org |
| 02:55.15 | Dewi | Vanpriest: backports means "not available in official debian" |
| 02:55.27 | DawnLight | Szeraax: did you catch my last two? |
| 02:55.30 | Dewi | Vanpriest: but a non-official repo like backports.org |
| 02:55.48 | dembug | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=56840&sid=2c320933d95283834111ebfab522f5c3 |
| 02:55.51 | dembug | theres your problem: |
| 02:55.55 | Dewi | Vanpriest: personally I use backports.org stuff quite a bit, although not kernels |
| 02:55.55 | dembug | backports is how you solve it |
| 02:56.07 | dembug | now please listen, go install the backport and watch your SATA problem vanish ;-) |
| 02:56.07 | Guerin | woah, blast from the past |
| 02:56.14 | Guerin | I'm listenin' to White Zombie |
| 02:56.22 | westor | Vanpriest, i am running sata with 2.6.17, straight fr the repo, not backport. |
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| 02:56.44 | dembug | thats nice.. he wants to run 2.6.19 |
| 02:57.01 | dembug | however it is not all SATA chips that have this problem westor |
| 02:57.05 | Dewi | westor: me too. on 3 boxes. But it's all silicon image gear |
| 02:57.08 | dembug | there are many bugs in SATA drivers > 2.6.15 afaik |
| 02:57.25 | westor | what's the latest 'testing' kernel? |
| 02:57.28 | dembug | got about 20 machines at work running i9xx sata |
| 02:57.33 | dembug | westor etch.. |
| 02:57.42 | dembug | (officially) |
| 02:57.54 | Dewi | dembug: no, etch is stable |
| 02:57.56 | dembug | westor: www.kernel.org if your refering to vanilla |
| 02:58.01 | dembug | ohh.. since when? |
| 02:58.07 | Dewi | dembug: start of april |
| 02:58.15 | dembug | ohhh... sorry guys.. i've been under a rock |
| 02:58.16 | Dewi | dembug: well, maybe mid april |
| 02:58.18 | westor | no, i am talking about debian 'testing'. |
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| 02:58.33 | dembug | uhh... ok westor whatever you say |
| 02:58.43 | ebil|work | This may sound like a stupid question, where can I find netinstall ISOs for OLDER debian distros (like sarge) |
| 02:58.49 | Szeraax | DawnLight: sorry, i was afk. umm, i hvae only ever been able to get multimonitor with nvidia, sorry that i cant be more helpful |
| 02:59.03 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:59.19 | dembug | oh no :< __mikem left I liked him he had lots of bad things to say about iis |
| 02:59.28 | westor | guess a apt-cache search will give me the answer. |
| 02:59.31 | pdf | what is the quota size in terms of 0000 for 10 megabytes? |
| 02:59.54 | Dewi | westor: hmm, according to packages.debian.org it is still linux-image-2.6.18, same as stable |
| 03:00.06 | westor | Dewi, thks. |
| 03:00.07 | jazbo2185 | Jeez someone always seems to be trolling on ##linux |
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| 03:00.14 | Dewi | westor: I thought it was newer though. :/ |
| 03:00.28 | westor | i thought so too. |
| 03:00.30 | dembug | 5harhar |
| 03:00.34 | dembug | 2.6.18 |
| 03:00.37 | dembug | archaic! |
| 03:00.46 | Dewi | westor: maybe the source packages are newer or something? |
| 03:01.04 | dembug | and some people wonder why they have problems with i965/i975 architecture |
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| 03:01.16 | dembug | ;-P |
| 03:01.21 | Dewi | westor: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6 |
| 03:01.59 | westor | is there a way to find out installations that uses debian around the world? |
| 03:02.17 | dembug | Vanpriest |
| 03:02.18 | dembug | sarge-custom-1115.iso - kernel 2.6.19rc3 version: qla4xxx, stex, aic94xx, and qla3xxx are supported. (PATA machine may fail to find a disk and CD on 2nd stage. see the article (and replace rc1 with rc3) for details) ...(more details) |
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| 03:02.22 | dembug | ^ that'll fix your problem |
| 03:02.22 | westor | does debian.org keep track of this? |
| 03:02.24 | Dewi | westor: hmm. Well these days a lot more people are starting to use 'popcon', the debian popularity tracker. That's anonymous though |
| 03:02.31 | DawnLight | where can i find xorg drivers' web sites? |
| 03:02.32 | dembug | also take a look at http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/ |
| 03:02.35 | Dewi | westor: and you don't have to participate |
| 03:03.00 | westor | Dewi, how to access the info gathered by popcorn? |
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| 03:03.02 | gravity | DawnLight: What drivers? |
| 03:03.02 | dutchfish | i have bad expirience with 2.6.20-3, i am running a vanilla atm 2.6.20-9 flawlessly on a desktop machine in etch however |
| 03:03.06 | Dewi | dembug: sarge? |
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| 03:03.13 | DawnLight | ati and radeon |
| 03:03.17 | Dewi | dembug: use of sarge images should no longer be necessary |
| 03:03.25 | westor | i know, when i install the last time, a window pop up for it. |
| 03:03.32 | dembug | meh |
| 03:03.37 | dembug | some of us like to be archaic |
| 03:03.39 | dembug | afterall, this is debian |
| 03:03.41 | dembug | ;-))) |
| 03:03.45 | Dewi | heh |
| 03:03.45 | Szeraax | well, i am thoroughly excited for tomorrow when i try out some stuff that i learned. thanks tons dembug. (And everyone else that helped too) |
| 03:03.49 | gravity | DawnLight: freedesktop.org |
| 03:03.53 | Dewi | dembug: don't make it any worse than it already is :) |
| 03:03.58 | dembug | on the bleeding edge of 2.6.20 |
| 03:03.59 | dembug | hahahaha |
| 03:04.05 | dembug | lol Dewi no comment ;-) |
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| 03:04.07 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 03:04.23 | westor | Szeraax, why wait till tomorrow? why not try it out today, or now? |
| 03:04.31 | dembug | I think people confuse the debian "thoroughness" with "maintainer laziness" |
| 03:04.36 | dembug | :) |
| 03:04.39 | pabix | Hello, does someone know a command to remove end of lines in a text file? |
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| 03:04.52 | pabix | a bit like "J" in vim |
| 03:04.52 | dembug | these are two seperate attributes to debian ;-p |
| 03:05.12 | dembug | pabix awk '{print $1,$2,$3}' |
| 03:05.24 | mbd | soo.. anyone who can give me a rundown of etch vs lenny? |
| 03:05.24 | dembug | and pabix #bash |
| 03:05.27 | pabix | dembug: thank you |
| 03:05.29 | dutchfish | a lot has been fixed in 2.6.20-9 this 1 looks really stable |
| 03:05.39 | dembug | pabix fullnotation is cat file.txt | awk... etc |
| 03:05.41 | westor | any answer to this old question: is there a way to find out installations that uses debian around the world?? |
| 03:05.44 | \amethyst | pabix: you want just one line in the output? |
| 03:05.56 | pabix | \amethyst: yes |
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| 03:07.22 | dembug | bah my dvdwriter sucks. |
| 03:07.31 | dembug | its misidentifying the speed of disc's |
| 03:07.39 | dembug | i blame both these bad quality verbatim's and the writer. |
| 03:07.55 | dembug | 3 tries before it identified as 16X media.. goddamnit |
| 03:08.26 | Vanpriest | dembug after updating the backport package, and apt-get install the kernel 2.6 provide by them. Should i restart the server? will it working? |
| 03:08.47 | Vanpriest | by the way can i know if in grub its: root=/dev/hdc3 |
| 03:08.48 | dembug | oooer |
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| 03:08.55 | Vanpriest | shouldnt it be root=/dev/sdc? |
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| 03:09.10 | dembug | it's a risk you'll have to take Vanpriest... to load the new kernel |
| 03:09.15 | dembug | uhhh |
| 03:09.23 | dembug | not necessarily Vanpriest but i see your point :O |
| 03:09.31 | \amethyst | pabix: awk 'BEGIN{ ORS=" " } {print}' |
| 03:09.41 | pabix | \amethyst: thank you |
| 03:09.42 | Vanpriest | im afriad to get the machin stock |
| 03:09.46 | Vanpriest | and wait for hosting to hard reboot again.. |
| 03:09.50 | Vanpriest | stucked* |
| 03:09.53 | dembug | yea |
| 03:09.58 | dembug | well i understand that.. |
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| 03:10.20 | dembug | well all i can say is |
| 03:10.29 | Vanpriest | is ursata root disk run on hd or sd |
| 03:10.32 | Vanpriest | ? |
| 03:10.37 | dembug | check that the lines in boot/grub/menu.lst (i think it is groggy today.. sigh) |
| 03:10.38 | Vanpriest | hjust to be sure |
| 03:10.50 | dembug | Vanpriest look at the EXISTING line's |
| 03:10.53 | Vanpriest | in the menu of grub it said: hdc3 |
| 03:10.53 | dembug | for your EXISTING kernel |
| 03:11.05 | Vanpriest | the 2.4 run on hdc3 |
| 03:11.13 | dembug | then it's probably hdc.. |
| 03:11.18 | dembug | the bios probably running in native |
| 03:11.26 | dembug | it's still a sata controller though |
| 03:11.33 | dembug | anyway I can't help you anymore :) |
| 03:11.39 | Vanpriest | so it shoudl work rigt? |
| 03:11.41 | ji_cn | can 64bit mplayer play rmvb movie? |
| 03:11.41 | az-debian | can someone help me please!!!! after upgrading to debian unstable now i org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy error when i try to open a partition in nautilus?!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:11.44 | Vanpriest | hope it gona work :s |
| 03:11.45 | dembug | the 2.6.19-rc3 backport should work fine |
| 03:11.54 | Vanpriest | im using 2.6.18 like said on website |
| 03:11.56 | dembug | unfortunately it's your risk to take, not mine |
| 03:12.02 | Vanpriest | 2.6.18.4 |
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| 03:12.07 | dembug | i can't see any problems with it Vanpriest |
| 03:12.14 | tuv | i'm trying to connect my lcd tv to my pc using dvi-to-hdmi. it works at 1280x720 but it overscans (missing edges of the picture). in winXP this can be corrected by using a smaller resolution (1216x684). that smaller resultion (via a modeline) still overscans with xorg! |
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| 03:12.19 | dembug | like I said you need to take responsibility for your dedi |
| 03:12.24 | Vanpriest | i jsut apt-get install apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:12.36 | Vanpriest | dembug ok... |
| 03:12.39 | dembug | tuv you from quakenet? |
| 03:12.41 | dembug | ;-p |
| 03:13.09 | ji_cn | az-debian,add yourself to somegroup storage or plugdev, |
| 03:13.14 | tuv | dembug, never been there |
| 03:13.15 | Vanpriest | dembug by the way how do you knwo which kernel is boot by default in menu.lst of grub? |
| 03:13.26 | dembug | tuv ok, sorry ;) |
| 03:13.35 | dembug | Vanpriest usually the first in menu.lst |
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| 03:13.46 | dembug | aslong as the lines look fairly identical for old and new kernel |
| 03:13.47 | farseer_ | where is cupsd started? and wich process starts it? i'm used to bsd-style config.. |
| 03:13.49 | dembug | you should be ok.. |
| 03:13.49 | az-debian | let me try that |
| 03:13.50 | tuv | dembug, and was unaware of irc altogether in the 90's ;) |
| 03:13.56 | dembug | heh tuv ;) |
| 03:13.59 | dembug | your a lucky man |
| 03:14.05 | dembug | you missed a lot of the good days.. |
| 03:14.10 | dembug | but you don't "miss" them |
| 03:14.13 | dembug | :-) har har har |
| 03:14.17 | Vanpriest | does 2.6.18 come wiht smp support? |
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| 03:14.23 | dembug | oh holy cow Vanpriest |
| 03:14.32 | dembug | can you not do something for yourself ;-p |
| 03:14.33 | Vanpriest | XD |
| 03:14.39 | dembug | that depends on the kernel compile |
| 03:14.41 | Vanpriest | im afraid to just mess a server |
| 03:14.43 | dembug | if its not tagged -smp i doubt it. |
| 03:15.00 | dembug | bbl i'm all tired out |
| 03:15.03 | tuv | recent servers support smp without showing it in their names |
| 03:15.04 | dembug | nice chatting all |
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| 03:15.10 | dembug | tuv you mean etch |
| 03:15.19 | dembug | since he's using sarge we can ignore that factor |
| 03:15.31 | tuv | dembug, i think so, not sure when exactly this trend started |
| 03:15.33 | Perdignus | Hello, is something wrong with ImageMagick on sid? Install is failing with this --> http://www.pastebin.ca/465376 |
| 03:15.36 | dembug | later Dewi |
| 03:15.43 | Vanpriest | i am on sarge yes.. |
| 03:15.44 | dembug | tuv, etch |
| 03:15.52 | dembug | please don't confuse him ;'-) |
| 03:15.55 | tuv | dembug, ok |
| 03:15.55 | jazbo2185 | Yes succesfully pxe booted!!!! Thanks to all who helped |
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| 03:16.02 | dembug | lol jazbo2185 wp |
| 03:16.04 | Dewi | dembug: later |
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| 03:16.11 | farseer_ | i cant find cupsd :((( |
| 03:16.14 | dembug | jazbo2185 maybe you can help sz.. oh he's gone now |
| 03:16.17 | farseer_ | darnit |
| 03:16.19 | dembug | later Dewi nice chatting |
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| 03:16.23 | dembug | *waves* to all |
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| 03:16.34 | jazbo2185 | dembug: Ah yeah, I was about to... ah well |
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| 03:16.36 | tuv | i better stick to my dvi overscan problems! |
| 03:17.03 | jazbo2185 | Well, for anyone interest I found this article particularily helpful: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
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| 03:17.10 | Dewi | tuv: overscan issues with pure digital? that's so silly |
| 03:17.13 | az-debian | i don't see storage or plugdev groups in the users and groups ji_cn!!! |
| 03:17.36 | farseer_ | gaaaah.. i need a guide on the rc0.d startup.. stuff.. its CONFUSING |
| 03:17.37 | peterS | Perdignus: http://bugs.debian.org/421494 |
| 03:17.41 | az-debian | should i try haldaemon? |
| 03:17.42 | farseer_ | any ideas? |
| 03:17.45 | Dewi | tuv: I can't believe they do this stuff just to remain backwards-compatible with the bad old days |
| 03:17.46 | tuv | Dewi, i'm using dvi-to-hdmi cable to my lcd tv, if that makes any difference |
| 03:17.49 | jazbo2185 | Also, here's a copy of my dhcpd.conf: http://paste.debian.net/26821 |
| 03:17.51 | ji_cn | oh, I am using arch which got group storage, |
| 03:18.10 | peterS | Perdignus: so, like, edit debian/control and look for the "Build-Depends" line, replace the libjasper1.701-dev with libjasper-dev |
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| 03:18.15 | Vanpriest | anyone if the kernel 2.6.18 backport has SATA disk support |
| 03:18.17 | ji_cn | and gentoo plugdev |
| 03:18.24 | peterS | Vanpriest: certainly |
| 03:18.26 | tuv | Dewi, i read it's part of the tv standards: to overscan when displaying certain definitions on certain tv sets |
| 03:18.35 | az-debian | by the way how do u like arch? |
| 03:18.35 | Vanpriest | thanks you |
| 03:18.40 | tuv | Dewi, but i still think it's silly ;) |
| 03:18.55 | ji_cn | cat /etc/group ,try |
| 03:18.56 | farseer_ | az-debian: yeah to configure. debian use some other style |
| 03:19.16 | farseer_ | az-debian: everything goes in rc.conf. period |
| 03:19.18 | Dewi | tuv: I think you're right, but my equipment doesn't do it, and that's fine with me because I don't have to compensate |
| 03:19.34 | peterS | Perdignus: 'apt-get build-dep' will still not work, since that uses the package index rather than looking at the actual source package you're building - but if you install those build-deps manually you can then proceed with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 03:19.35 | Perdignus | peterS Thanks man, looks like a pretty recent bug, good eye. |
| 03:19.48 | Dewi | tuv: I'm using component or VGA to a projector though; never used HDMI |
| 03:19.50 | tuv | Dewi, you using a dvi to hdmi? |
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| 03:20.18 | tuv | Dewi, oh.. i got vga working, but was hoping to see how much better hdmi is.. so far it's way worse |
| 03:20.25 | Dewi | tuv: heh |
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| 03:20.41 | Dewi | tuv: actually I've found that component, despite the 3 heavy expensive cables, has heaps of blurring and ghosting that VGA doesn't have |
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| 03:21.06 | Dewi | tuv: maybe the colour is better or something but I can't see it myself |
| 03:21.13 | tuv | Dewi, good to know. so i don't have to waste another day on component |
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| 03:21.22 | Dewi | tuv: I'd go back to VGA if it wasn't so inconvenient unplugging my secondary monitor all the time |
| 03:21.25 | peterS | Dewi: VGA is component too, you know |
| 03:21.28 | farseer_ | finaly!!!! it's called system V, didn't anyone know that? :S |
| 03:21.38 | Dewi | tuv: (using component I can switch monitor -> projector in software) |
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| 03:22.26 | Dewi | peterS: sure, but I mean the 3 heavy cables component used with TV. People say it's so high quality, but I got better results with 2 x $5 VGA extension cables |
| 03:22.28 | stoned | peterS: howdy |
| 03:22.34 | peterS | Nyle. |
| 03:22.58 | stoned | cool you remembered my name :) |
| 03:23.27 | nvz | kinda like a bot eh |
| 03:23.31 | stoned | jetscreamer likes to mess with me |
| 03:23.34 | Dewi | peterS: and don't even get me started on digital audio linkups |
| 03:23.36 | stoned | he wont' capitalize it lol |
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| 03:24.34 | tuv | ok.. got it. no overscan anymore :) |
| 03:24.43 | Dewi | tuv: option on the TV? |
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| 03:24.57 | tuv | Dewi, no.. that was the first place i looked |
| 03:26.21 | tuv | Dewi, nvidia-settings option: centered |
| 03:26.21 | peterS | Dewi: honestly, listening to ogg files encoded at -q4 through my via 8233 cheapo ac97 sound chip, sounds perfectly good to me, and that's with half-decent headphones. I am not sure why people spend real money on audio gear |
| 03:26.21 | Dewi | tuv: oh. still overscan but properly compensated now? |
| 03:26.21 | Dewi | peterS: q4 sounds a bit low. :P |
| 03:26.21 | tuv | Dewi, actually i'm using a smaller resolution that is supposed to be perfect fit, yet it was overscanning |
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| 03:26.21 | Dewi | peterS: I actually have pretty poor ears, but my brain seems to be good at recognising (and being annoyed by) perceptual encoding artifacts |
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| 03:26.22 | peterS | Dewi: you'd think so. but I honestly can't tell the difference between oggenc -q4 and the original .wav |
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| 03:26.36 | peterS | Dewi: at least with the sound clips I've tested this with, and I tested a few before encoding all my CDs (didn't want to have to redo them all because the encoding was too poor..) |
| 03:26.44 | stoned | Dewi: dude I have almost absolute/perfect pitch.. and I when I listen to someone play a classical piece and its detuned or not in the same pitch as the orignal composer it pisses me off |
| 03:26.55 | stoned | immagine having perfect pitch and having such a pet peeve |
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| 03:26.56 | stoned | :( |
| 03:27.02 | Dewi | peterS: I'm pretty sure the reason I spent hundreds of dollars on an optic fibre cable, only to find it did nothing, and stuck it in a drawer, is because I'm an idiot |
| 03:27.18 | peterS | stoned: indeed, I've heard recordings done 1/4 tone flat and that really messes with me |
| 03:27.18 | mikes1 | hmm |
| 03:27.29 | jetscreamer | stoned: don't imagine your special, i'm more like mwilson than you know :) |
| 03:27.31 | stoned | peterS: ahh man i thought I was the only one |
| 03:27.42 | stoned | jetscreamer: just messin with ya buddy :) |
| 03:27.44 | Dewi | peterS: maybe my hardware is faulty, I dunno - but just the cost of those cables if fucking ridiculous, since network cables carry the same amount of digital data at something like 1/100 the price |
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| 03:27.53 | az-debian | can somebody tell me how to fix org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy problem. i get this when i click on a partition in nautilus |
| 03:28.06 | az-debian | !!!!! |
| 03:28.06 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 03:28.08 | jetscreamer | is that like selinux? |
| 03:28.09 | peterS | Dewi: indeed. I've concluded that there is a _lot_ of snake oil in the high end audio world |
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| 03:28.57 | Vanpriest | NOoooooooooooo |
| 03:29.01 | Vanpriest | it just not rebootted... |
| 03:29.03 | Vanpriest | dam sataa |
| 03:29.04 | peterS | Dewi: cat5 instead of whatever spdif uses now ... that's a concept |
| 03:29.06 | Dewi | peterS: and it's a problem that didn't need solving. USB or firewire or ethernet would have been perfectly fine for audio, but no |
| 03:29.44 | Perdignus | Anyone have any package suggestions for text only, very old, slow machines, like cmatrix, bb, metar etc...? |
| 03:29.47 | Dewi | peterS: audio is not something you need glass fibres for, particularly since the DVDs you watch have compressed the hell out of the audio with ancient low-bitrate AC3 |
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| 03:30.32 | jetscreamer | try changing the kopt= line in menu.lst to use root=UUID= instead of root=/dev/hda1 or whatever, Vanpriest |
| 03:30.34 | Dewi | peterS: on a per-channel basis, even the DTS DVDs aren't devoting much more band than you get from your mp3s from bittorrent |
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| 03:30.53 | peterS | Dewi: well even if they hadn't. CD quality audio is 176 kB per second. 96 kHz, 16-bit, 8 channels ... that would come to 1.5 MB/s. 10baseT from 1979 would carry it just fine. |
| 03:30.55 | Dewi | peterS: and I'm not convinced AC3 is superior to MP3 |
| 03:31.05 | jetscreamer | also the kernel line |
| 03:31.05 | farseer_ | ....... does K20cupsys start the cupsd daemon ? |
| 03:31.12 | jetscreamer | no k is kill |
| 03:31.22 | Dewi | peterS: sure. Except there's more channels, but through a huffman encoder at it and you'd still be alright |
| 03:31.25 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: oh |
| 03:31.27 | jetscreamer | look for the S |
| 03:31.27 | Dewi | peterS: "throw" even |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | Dewi: more than 8 channels? where do they go? nobody has more than 8 speakers, do they? what's the point in transmitting more channels? |
| 03:31.50 | Dewi | peterS: well, modified huffman. Those lossless audio zip things |
| 03:31.58 | Dewi | peterS: oh, sorry, you said that |
| 03:32.07 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: thanks, that cleared out some :) |
| 03:32.49 | stew | peterS: the same reason people need 5 blades in their razors for shaving |
| 03:33.19 | jetscreamer | i got one of those in the mail stew... works good |
| 03:33.22 | Dewi | peterS: well 12Mbps is pushing 10baseT a bit past its limits, but like I say, a decent lossless zipper would easily crush the hell out of those mostly-empty, mostly-identical channels |
| 03:33.33 | jetscreamer | not for longish beards though, like after 3 days... |
| 03:33.42 | peterS | Dewi: I'm just saying, with _no_ compression, and 8 channels, well, really you don't need 96 kHz, 44.1 or 48 kHz would be plenty, so even with no compression you don't even need to transmit a megabyte per second |
| 03:33.46 | Dewi | peterS: I wonder if FLAC supports >2 channels these days |
| 03:34.17 | peterS | Dewi: well, it's not like you can even find 10baseT transceivers anymore, the bottom-of-the-line 100baseT card is well under US$10. so. |
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| 03:35.17 | Dewi | peterS: if nothing else, CAT5 is the king of all cables because I never break anything trying to plug them in backwards |
| 03:35.18 | peterS | Dewi: though if you can keep it under 10 megabits, I suppose you could make it use RJ11 phone cords. _that_ would be amusing to the high-end audio crowd, I'm sure. |
| 03:35.48 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: why is cupsd started at all runlevels? and even, why is it named cupsys? :S makes no sence.. |
| 03:36.01 | Dewi | peterS: indeed |
| 03:36.10 | jetscreamer | farseer_: those are symlinks that are run when you enter the respective runlevel |
| 03:36.16 | peterS | "yes, this is a phone cord, and we're doing a lot more than 8 kHz mulaw mono" |
| 03:36.20 | jetscreamer | farseer_: the real files are in /etc/init.d |
| 03:36.35 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 03:36.52 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: yeah i know. but seems odd its linked on all levels.. |
| 03:36.54 | Guerin | all the cool kids now are about wireless speakers |
| 03:36.54 | jetscreamer | farseer_: in debian, all runlevels are the same by default, and you can mod them |
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| 03:37.05 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 03:37.05 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 03:37.17 | Guerin | notwithstanding the fact that the radio transmission introduces interference |
| 03:37.18 | peterS | Guerin: are those digital too, then? or is this RF analog? |
| 03:37.35 | Guerin | peterS: i think it runs on bluetooth or something similar |
| 03:37.38 | Dewi | peterS: not much digital in wireless yet |
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| 03:37.43 | Dewi | peterS: but some do it |
| 03:37.45 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: oh rcconf :) |
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| 03:38.11 | peterS | bluetooth doesn't seem suitable for home theater audio - range is iffy, bandwidth is not all that high for multiple speakers |
| 03:38.56 | jetscreamer | what is the cable used for cable? |
| 03:38.58 | Guerin | yeah, i don't know |
| 03:39.10 | peterS | jetscreamer: 75 ohm coax, I think? |
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| 03:39.11 | jetscreamer | coax? |
| 03:39.24 | Dewi | peterS / Guerin : bluetooth has at least 10 - 20 metres of range in my experience, but the bandwidth sucks, but I have read it's capable of a lot more than my crappy mobile phone will do |
| 03:39.37 | Dewi | not sure what the "real" limit is |
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| 03:39.46 | Guerin | i have a mate whose media centre is a home-made RF transmitter, into which he can tune any appliance in the house on a certain uhf or fm frequency |
| 03:39.47 | peterS | Dewi: over 10 meters? I didn't realise, I thought it was more like 3-5 meters |
| 03:40.01 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: RG-6? |
| 03:40.06 | peterS | ...which gets you across a room, but not with much to spare |
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| 03:40.26 | jetscreamer | just use some 10guage wire for your speakers |
| 03:40.28 | tuv | i think a dual head setup (displays :0.0 and :0.1) are better than twinView stuff. at least window placement is predictable :) |
| 03:40.32 | Guerin | jetscreamer: heh |
| 03:40.45 | peterS | jetscreamer: HomePNA. transmit your audio through your A/C outlets. |
| 03:40.48 | muhoo | heh, funny: |
| 03:40.49 | muhoo | In most cases, if a package version matches the SONAME, it is a sign that there is a problem with the versioning |
| 03:40.52 | muhoo | scheme. Scrap it, and bash the upstream with the libtool manual. It is usually a good sign that either he has not read |
| 03:40.55 | Dewi | peterS: my mobile phone can do basic control of winamp from most places in my house. Dunno how crap the bandwidth is getting at that point, but it still exceeds most domestic wireless |
| 03:40.55 | muhoo | the manual thoroughly, or he has not understood it, or both. |
| 03:41.06 | peterS | muhoo: yeah, I like that paragraph |
| 03:41.09 | muhoo | but, what if bashing the upstream with the libtool manual doesn't do any good? |
| 03:41.11 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: so to stop a daemon at bootup is to remove "+x" for it in /etc/initd ? |
| 03:41.17 | muhoo | peterS: yep, you sent it to me i think |
| 03:41.23 | peterS | right |
| 03:41.33 | peterS | you're the jack guy |
| 03:41.34 | muhoo | peterS: but, the problem is... it looks like the upstream doesn't care |
| 03:41.41 | muhoo | so what can i do to hack around that? |
| 03:41.44 | muhoo | yep |
| 03:41.51 | Dewi | tuv: how is multi-monitor in X windows? It's one thing that has never automatically happened for me, and I've been too scared to put any effort in |
| 03:41.58 | jetscreamer | farseer_: that is the unapproved dirty hack method... and the one i use. you should use a tool though like updaterc or whatever they were |
| 03:42.03 | Dewi | tuv: it's probably one of the few things keeping X off my desktop |
| 03:42.07 | muhoo | peterS: i've made some progress |
| 03:42.17 | peterS | muhoo: well, your options are limited - if possible, you don't want to let your SONAME diverge from upstream, because it means debian binaries aren't binary-compatible with fedora. sometimes it's necessary, but you try to avoid it |
| 03:42.23 | jetscreamer | farseer_: chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 03:42.35 | jetscreamer | jackd rox |
| 03:42.40 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: oh, i thought that was the approved way :P |
| 03:42.53 | tuv | Dewi, it was quite difficult to figure out at first, but once you know how it works, it's actually easy to setup and fun to work with. and extremely flexible |
| 03:43.02 | peterS | muhoo: i.e., it's really nice when someone can just take an rpm from fedora or whatever and convert it to debian format and install it, and install the necessary support libraries from the debian archive, and it _works_. and this does work, often. |
| 03:43.09 | gravity | Dewi: It's improving right now, but unless you run cutting edge intel on cutting edge x server, it's still a massive pain |
| 03:43.14 | Dewi | tuv: I switch frequently between dualview 2 x monitors, and 1 x monitor cloned to TV out |
| 03:43.14 | muhoo | peterS: yeah, alien |
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| 03:43.31 | jetscreamer | farseer_: rcconf & file-rc et. al. are the approved methods |
| 03:43.32 | muhoo | wait a minute |
| 03:43.32 | Dewi | gravity / tuv : yeah, I have nvidia, which isn't encouraging |
| 03:43.42 | bad_cpu | what would it mean if a computer won't boot properly unless the power is disconnected amd reset? |
| 03:43.43 | muhoo | hmm. |
| 03:43.52 | BUMBACL0T | [23:42] <BUMBACL0T> hey, how come i can access my ftp locally but not remotely |
| 03:43.52 | BUMBACL0T | [23:43] <BUMBACL0T> everything is fixed, my ftp server's ip is DMZ'd |
| 03:43.52 | BUMBACL0T | [23:43] <BUMBACL0T> any idea? |
| 03:43.58 | BUMBACL0T | im using vsftpd |
| 03:43.58 | Miles_Prower_ | bad_cpu: that's a common issue |
| 03:44.01 | muhoo | peterS: it looks like i may be wrong. it looks like the DEBIAN maintainer added the --release 0.100.0 ! |
| 03:44.01 | Guerin | bad_cpu: bad psu |
| 03:44.06 | Dewi | jetscreamer: debian binary? |
| 03:44.14 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i know you know better by now than to paste |
| 03:44.15 | Miles_Prower_ | bad_cpu: Some hard drives also require time to spin down and back up. they lock up. |
| 03:44.23 | peterS | muhoo: the problem with some upstreams is that they're used to OSes that are not Debian, where maintainers don't care much about proper SONAME management, and if you upgrade your OS you're expected to recompile all your apps as a matter of course. then they act surprised when we tell them that Debian is managed much more sanely and they should get with the program |
| 03:44.24 | Miles_Prower_ | bad_cpu: common on WD's. |
| 03:44.26 | muhoo | the upstream LDFLAGS are -version-info x:x:x, and the debian package adds the 0.100.0 crap! |
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| 03:44.30 | bad_cpu | Miles_Prower_: is it a dead MB battery? |
| 03:44.40 | farseer_ | jetscreamer: cool.. KsysV, never tried that tool before :P how nify .. do it graphical :) |
| 03:44.45 | Miles_Prower_ | bad_cpu: not on newer motherboards, they default to auto-detecting hdd's |
| 03:44.48 | jetscreamer | Dewi: no i've never used those, when they first appeared in sources i never could get em to work, so i just do what i've always done |
| 03:44.48 | tuv | Dewi, switching between configurations is the weak point of X multi display capabilities. you will need to either restart X or setup to X servers on two virtual consoles and switch between them (and maintain two different sessions) |
| 03:44.51 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, 3-line limit right? |
| 03:44.51 | muhoo | peterS: well the upstream uses FC. so, that's a binary distro too |
| 03:44.55 | peterS | muhoo: well - it's possible that the soname management was broken upstream and this was a workaround |
| 03:45.13 | tuv | Dewi, or setup two* X servers |
| 03:45.19 | Dewi | tuv: ew. X session management has always sucked |
| 03:45.27 | muhoo | peterS: let me see. i want to get this 100% right. the SONAME should or should not include the 0.100.0 ? |
| 03:45.36 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: that's the limit, but it's still rude-ish ... try putting them all on one line maybe? |
| 03:45.38 | bad_cpu | The hard drive is fine, and there are 2 old cpu with this same problem, but if power supply is reset, boots fine |
| 03:45.42 | Dewi | tuv: I normally run tightvncserver instead of normal xorg just so sessions don't disappear all the time |
| 03:45.50 | muhoo | peterS: i read dancer's guide as saying: don't do that |
| 03:45.57 | peterS | muhoo: yes but ... I had a frustrating "discussion" with my upstream awhile back when I tried to get them to support a soname bump in a circumstance where the fedora maintainer insisted that it shouldn't be done. because fedora is one of those things where if you have any local binaries and you upgrade the system, you're expected to recompile all your local binaries. |
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| 03:46.09 | Dewi | tuv: (and I can relocate them) |
| 03:46.14 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, any idea? |
| 03:46.20 | muhoo | peterS: say WHAT??! |
| 03:46.23 | tuv | Dewi, your desktop environment can provide sessions management. (gnome keeps the session across logins now) |
| 03:46.24 | muhoo | that's retarded |
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| 03:46.33 | jetscreamer | does anybody know if paravirtualization is 'supposed' to be compiled into stock kernels, or was it yet another mistake in 2.6.20 series? |
| 03:46.37 | peterS | muhoo: I was like, on debian, we avoid the need to rebuild your locally installed apps when you upgrade your system, because we do X, Y, and Z. it was really hard to get that point across, apparently that's a really foreign concept |
| 03:46.42 | muhoo | i used to use RH, and i don't recall "recompile" as being an option. |
| 03:47.01 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i didn't read the spam dude... that's why i suggested putting it all on one line, delete the line breaks |
| 03:47.05 | peterS | muhoo: yeah but how many apps did you compile and install locally on your system, not rpm-managed? |
| 03:47.05 | Dewi | tuv: hmm. maybe I should give it another try. The VNC support that "just came with" gnome was slow as honey last time I used it though |
| 03:47.12 | muhoo | peterS: now, gentoo users, and freebsd, are a different beast. they recompile nightly |
| 03:47.38 | muhoo | peterS: i don't recall doing any compiling, except for stuff in /usr/local for which there weren't rpm's |
| 03:47.41 | muhoo | but it's been many years now |
| 03:47.42 | peterS | muhoo: I'm not talking about rebuilding your rpms, I'm talking about if you have apps that you didn't get from red hat, _those_ you have to rebuild or upgrade when you upgrade rh |
| 03:47.43 | win2000 | i like windows |
| 03:47.44 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, how come i can access my ftp locally but not remotely; everything is fixed, my ftp server's ip is DMZ'd; im using vsftpd |
| 03:47.55 | muhoo | peterS: oh, ok. upgrade, yes |
| 03:47.59 | Dewi | tuv: it would be nice to see it eclipse the functionality available in winXP - that is, a high performance desktop that I can detach and access remotely with useable performance |
| 03:48.01 | muhoo | peterS: RPM DEPENDENCY HELL |
| 03:48.05 | win2000 | BUMBACL0T: i like windows |
| 03:48.06 | peterS | muhoo: whereas on debian, with our shared library management, your apps _do not break_ when you upgrade your system. ever. if they do that's a bug. |
| 03:48.07 | muhoo | peterS: in fact that is why i switched to debian |
| 03:48.10 | Dewi | tuv: but I haven't used ti since sarge |
| 03:48.12 | win2000 | muhoo: there's pup |
| 03:48.21 | BUMBACL0T | win2000, and? |
| 03:48.24 | win2000 | Dewi: i like windows |
| 03:48.29 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i don't know, but maybe it's the hosts.allow or rpc or whatever... you know, those things you look at when it doesn't work |
| 03:48.37 | win2000 | jetscreamer: i like windows |
| 03:48.42 | Dewi | win2000: me too |
| 03:48.45 | Dewi | win2000: want to fuck? |
| 03:48.50 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.50 | tuv | Dewi, vnc is inherently performance-limited |
| 03:48.54 | win2000 | Dewi: no thanks |
| 03:49.11 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, rpc? |
| 03:49.26 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.28 | Dewi | tuv: yeah. I can't exactly VNC to localhost and watch movies. But XP sort of... effortlessly switches |
| 03:49.28 | frankr | oops |
| 03:49.28 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i'm not the guy to ask |
| 03:49.29 | win2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.35 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: have you modyfied hosts.allow ? |
| 03:49.43 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, no |
| 03:49.43 | peterS | muhoo: as for your question, I have no idea which soname flag you should use with libtool. it depends on (a) what upstream does, (b) whether what upstream does is sane, (c) if upstream's soname management is not adequate, it depends on the actual binary compatibility issues (and expected future issues) between upstream versions |
| 03:49.45 | win2000 | what is deb extesnion for? |
| 03:49.53 | muhoo | peterS: ok, then it's possible that the debian maintainer screwed up in this case. i'll wait for 1.0 and then break everything. |
| 03:49.58 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: then there is your error |
| 03:50.00 | jetscreamer | like .rpm or .msi |
| 03:50.06 | BUMBACL0T | !ops win2000 |
| 03:50.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: bumbacl0t complains about: win2000 |
| 03:50.07 | Dewi | tuv: last time I looked gnome was starting to have that but it wasn't at all ready |
| 03:50.08 | jetscreamer | installer package |
| 03:50.18 | win2000 | what is txt for |
| 03:50.19 | muhoo | peterS: thanks. in this case, binary compatibility breaks nearly with each release |
| 03:50.22 | peterS | muhoo: if possible, follow upstream when you're going to change. but yeah, that depends on whether what they do is sane. |
| 03:50.28 | minerale | anyone here using a typing tutor? I'm looking for something that focuses on programmers ( ie not english words but archaic {})_ combinations ) |
| 03:50.31 | muhoo | peterS: wait that's not true |
| 03:50.34 | jetscreamer | it's for you to read when you get /banned |
| 03:50.39 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: vsftpd : ALL : ALL |
| 03:50.41 | jetscreamer | which will be soon i think |
| 03:50.48 | win2000 | minerale: go init 6 and reboot to windows |
| 03:50.50 | muhoo | peterS: *some* apps require version x.x.x of jackd/libjack |
| 03:50.52 | Dewi | minerale: write code... you'll learn to type :) |
| 03:51.04 | muhoo | peterS: others are backwards compatible. it depends on the app. |
| 03:51.06 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, so i should add a line? |
| 03:51.08 | jetscreamer | ok he's a troll, kick him |
| 03:51.19 | peterS | win2000: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 03:51.19 | win2000 | kick the troll in the nutZ |
| 03:51.25 | win2000 | yes |
| 03:51.26 | jetscreamer | that's bad, if i say kick somebody |
| 03:51.30 | muhoo | peterS: and, it's not usually a problem since the apps can be made to depend on jackd > x.x.x |
| 03:51.30 | win2000 | how do i use dmraid |
| 03:51.36 | minerale | dewi: well tutors are a bit more advanced than that, they specifically have you repeat routines that help your muscle memory |
| 03:51.38 | Dewi | minerale: the necessity of 'touch typing technique' is a myth (I'm sure it helps some people though) |
| 03:51.39 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: yeah in /etc/hosts.allow -- add "vsftpd : ALL : ALL" |
| 03:51.41 | win2000 | in installer |
| 03:51.43 | jetscreamer | you must suck at being a troll... i like trolls |
| 03:51.48 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, word |
| 03:52.06 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: tell me if that fixes it |
| 03:52.11 | win2000 | i have bad teeth for a troll |
| 03:52.26 | Miles_Prower_ | Trolls are dangerous. have to use fire or acid to truly kill one. |
| 03:52.26 | jetscreamer | trolls practice bad hygene |
| 03:52.26 | Dewi | minerale: just using a computer will develop your muscle memory in the areas you use often :) |
| 03:52.29 | minerale | dewi: believe it or not I enjoy typing... I even use it for stress relief ... I just wish I could type faster |
| 03:52.32 | peterS | win2000: I doubt you'll get an answer because you've pretty much burned your bridges with the people who actually have the knowledge to help you. just so you know. |
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| 03:52.36 | jetscreamer | hygiene? |
| 03:52.38 | Miles_Prower_ | I want to kill one with acid that's on fire. that would definitely work. |
| 03:52.45 | xoz | in biosystems, virus and bacteria are necessary although they are pain in the ass |
| 03:52.54 | BUMBACL0T | farseer_, aight, ill be back |
| 03:53.00 | dembug | haha |
| 03:53.19 | win2000 | peterS: i am so fine with Redhat. |
| 03:53.19 | peterS | win2000: then why are you here? |
| 03:53.20 | jetscreamer | try centos then |
| 03:53.20 | peterS | win2000: this is #debian, btw |
| 03:53.24 | jetscreamer | much better than rh imo |
| 03:53.24 | farseer_ | BUMBACL0T: pm me if i don't reply.. might be afk |
| 03:53.28 | dembug | win2000 your nickname is trollish ;O |
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| 03:53.41 | streuner | jetscreamer: use ignore please |
| 03:53.42 | muhoo | peterS: so, soname change must always coincide with a package name change? |
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| 03:54.01 | jetscreamer | streuner: i *never* use ignore |
| 03:54.03 | Dewi | dembug: we shouldn't judge on names or appearances, although in this case they were right |
| 03:54.04 | Rusty1 | 2.6.20-1-xen-686 or sumsutch? |
| 03:54.11 | win2000 | sorry i'll change it |
| 03:54.13 | Dewi | streuner: use of ignore causes all kinds of problems |
| 03:54.14 | muhoo | because the next one coming will be jack 1.0. i can rename libjack0.100.0 to libjack1 |
| 03:54.15 | overclocker | hi, i get an "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 78: 4872 Segmentation fault " ideas?, i'm trying to enable mod_auth_pgsql in apache 2.2 with edgy |
| 03:54.20 | Dewi | streuner: if I had my way it would be banned |
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| 03:54.38 | peterS | muhoo: right. the idea is that if an app is using libfoo.so.1, and you want to upgrade to libfoo.so.2, you don't want the upgrade to uninstall libfoo.so.1. so this requires a package name change, so that the old package will still be present. |
| 03:54.38 | streuner | not for trolls |
| 03:54.42 | Dewi | streuner: true |
| 03:55.01 | jetscreamer | Rusty1: i meant in the stock kernels, if you were replying to me |
| 03:55.03 | muhoo | peterS: ok, but, i *do* want it to deinstall so.1 it *has* to |
| 03:55.04 | dembug | lol |
| 03:55.05 | peterS | muhoo: whereas if the soname doesn't change, you can upgrade the library (same library filename) and the apps will continue to work, because the new one is backward-compatible |
| 03:55.06 | jetscreamer | non-xen |
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| 03:55.10 | dembug | Dewi more than right |
| 03:55.10 | debianWin2000 | !dmraid |
| 03:55.13 | dpkg | dmraid discovers block and software RAID devices (eg, ATARAID, <fakeraid>) by using multiple different metadata format handlers which support various formats (eg, Highpoint 37x series). It offers activating RAID sets made up by 2 or more discovered RAID devices, display properties of devices and sets. |
| 03:55.17 | muhoo | peterS: multiple versions of libjack *cannot* coexist on the same system, currently |
| 03:55.19 | dembug | !asshole |
| 03:55.19 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 03:55.27 | debianWin2000 | !hairy_balls |
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| 03:55.43 | peterS | muhoo: that's the first thing to fix, then. requiring users to upgrade all their libjack apps, and recompile any libjack apps that they built in /usr/local, is not the debian way |
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| 03:55.55 | muhoo | peterS: it cannot be avoided |
| 03:56.08 | Dewi | streuner: I just have some regulars ignoring me on other channels, and it wastes a lot of my time 1) answering their support questions without realising they can't hear me, and 2) when they can't hear me helping other people and they steamroller over my conversations |
| 03:56.14 | peterS | muhoo: why is this? |
| 03:56.17 | muhoo | peterS: the problem is, that only one version of jackd can be running at a time. and the apps that talk to it have to speak the same protocol |
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| 03:56.53 | muhoo | peterS: but you're right, this does in fact suck |
| 03:56.53 | jetscreamer | dang 4 seconds quicker would have rocked |
| 03:56.56 | peterS | muhoo: so jackd is tightly coupled to libjack, I get that. but other libjack-using apps _also_ have to talk to the same version of jackd? |
| 03:56.56 | \amethyst | muhoo: but it's possible for the ABI to change without the protocol changing |
| 03:57.13 | \amethyst | muhoo: or does the protocol in fact change that frequently? |
| 03:57.30 | muhoo | peterS: yes, some of them use features that are in version xxx and not in version yyy |
| 03:57.32 | Rusty1 | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/26/1932236.shtml << jetscreamer FWIW |
| 03:57.58 | muhoo | peterS: but i don't understand how this is different from any other dependency |
| 03:58.10 | jetscreamer | Rusty1: tia then :) |
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| 03:58.36 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 03:58.41 | peterS | muhoo: just this: say I have foojack which is built with libjack 0.103. then I upgrade libjack and jackd to 0.104. what happens to foojack? does it break? |
| 03:58.45 | muhoo | peterS: example: if i have an app that requires, say, kde version xxx, i'm screwed if all i have is kde version yyy\ |
| 03:59.30 | muhoo | peterS: and, i have to upgrade my whole desktop windowing system in order to get the new app to run. |
| 03:59.42 | muhoo | peterS: depends on foojack |
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| 03:59.57 | peterS | muhoo: is that so? I don't use KDE, but I thought you could run KDE apps without the rest of KDE being installed at all |
| 04:00.05 | Vyrus001 | i took my config.gz, unziped it, droped it into my new linux/src kernel tree, compiled / installed, now under the new kernel, i keep getting the message "/sys/block/sda/dev seems to be down", then i get a kernel pacnic.any ideas? |
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| 04:00.19 | muhoo | peterS: if foojack used features that have been removed or changed or renamed |
| 04:00.22 | Azar | "Debain is the only group of software developers who still believe that Richard Stallman invented programming. Everyone else now correctly credits Bill Gates for doing so. Debain developers hold themselves separate from the rest of the Linux community because of their pride in not stealing from other operating systems to build their version of Linux. All other versions of Linux are based directly on Windows." |
| 04:00.49 | jetscreamer | you forgot the source |
| 04:01.03 | xoz | Vyrus001: initrd image? |
| 04:01.19 | muhoo | peterS: i vaguely remember going through something like this, years ago, when i used kde. |
| 04:01.30 | jetscreamer | did you do make oldconfig Vyrus001 ? |
| 04:01.31 | hark | well it's talking about Debain not Debian ;) |
| 04:01.35 | peterS | muhoo: ok so the point is ... if the SONAME changes, what happens if you don't change the package name? say you have "libjack0" and "jackd" which depend on each other or whatever. you upgrade libjack and jackd from 0.103 to 0.104. my app "foojack" specifies "Depends: libjack0 (>= 0.103)". the dependency relationship is still satisfied, but foojack breaks. we can't have that |
| 04:01.46 | Azar | hark: hehe |
| 04:01.47 | muhoo | peterS: but, i'm trying to find an example of somethign where only one instance of X can run at a time, kind of like jackd |
| 04:01.48 | Vyrus001 | jetscreamer, no i didnt |
| 04:01.50 | thingfish | Azar: I read that too - it's hilarious, isn't it |
| 04:01.54 | peterS | muhoo: this is why we have to rename libjack when the SONAME changes. so that foojack has a fighting chance of specifying a proper Depends: line. |
| 04:01.57 | jetscreamer | Vyrus001: 'maybe' |
| 04:02.01 | Azar | thingfish: yep man |
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| 04:02.24 | muhoo | peterS: hmm. excellent example. but what is the right way to get around that? |
| 04:02.27 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 04:02.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 04:02.28 | Vyrus001 | jetscreamer, so i should make oldconfig then recompile and see if that works ? |
| 04:02.31 | streuner | thingfish: its funny, isn't it? :-) |
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| 04:02.45 | thingfish | streuner: yes, it was great fun reading it |
| 04:02.47 | jetscreamer | Vyrus001: that or that and try the debian way |
| 04:02.49 | Azar | hehe Debain pays some of its developers in a successful effort to piss off the rest of its developers. |
| 04:02.50 | peterS | muhoo: what if foojack says "Depends: libjack0 (>= 0.103), libjack (<< 0.104)"? that can be arranged. and it will do the right thing. but ... then what if version 0.104 is compatible after all? then you're forcing recompiles for no reason. |
| 04:02.54 | Vyrus001 | hm |
| 04:03.10 | Azar | man in fact this is how the general view of Debian is seen online by some |
| 04:03.22 | muhoo | peterS: there is a small likelihood that foojack will not work with 0.104.0. again it depends on if it makes use of API's that aren't yet frozen |
| 04:03.29 | Azar | courtesy of SJV |
| 04:04.10 | thingfish | Azar: yeah - mainly by other linux people. The windows people don't know who we are. |
| 04:04.11 | peterS | muhoo: yeah but you can't know that before 0.104 is released. you can't know whether it will be binary-compatible with 0.103. so you can't know what Depends line to suggest for foojack (via your shlibs file) until after the fact |
| 04:04.19 | muhoo | peterS: in that case, if the developer or packager of foojack smells trouble (i.e. that foojack uses experimental features, such as jack_midi, that haven't frozen yet), it can specify Depends: linjack0 = 0.103.0, can't it? |
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| 04:04.54 | muhoo | in other words: tightly coupled to that release, expecting that the next one will break. but that's pretty rare, IIRC |
| 04:05.02 | peterS | muhoo: right, until you decide to fix a minor Debian-specific bug in libjack, before 0.104 is released. |
| 04:05.09 | Azar | thingfish: what are all true americans running? :) |
| 04:05.13 | peterS | muhoo: forcing all jack apps to be rebuilt every time you do that is ... suboptimal |
| 04:05.14 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 04:05.49 | muhoo | peterS: hmm. ok. well i think i've getting the hang of this. gotta run off now, but i'll be back at this tomorow. |
| 04:05.59 | peterS | muhoo: it's fine for jackd to have that sort of Depends relationship, because jackd is in the same source package so it will always be recompiled at the same time libjack is. |
| 04:05.59 | muhoo | peterS: again, many MANY thanks for all your help |
| 04:06.10 | peterS | muhoo: no problem, I hope you get it all sorted out sooner or later |
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| 04:06.21 | BUMBACL0T | !pastebin |
| 04:06.21 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 04:06.23 | streuner | Azar: some people believed serveral hundred years ago earth wasn't a planet... ;-) |
| 04:06.38 | peterS | I never believed that, even several hundred years ago |
| 04:06.59 | streuner | s/planet/ball/ |
| 04:07.54 | jetscreamer | yes i remember you arguing that the world was flat when chris sailed off, peterS |
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| 04:07.54 | stoned | wait what |
| 04:08.03 | jetscreamer | you said those 4 ships would sink |
| 04:08.09 | Dewi | I believed several hundred years ago that paying debian developers was a bad thing unless it was me getting paid. |
| 04:08.24 | stoned | ummm |
| 04:08.27 | peterS | jetscreamer: I did not. I argued that the world was 25000 miles around and he's run out of food and water long before he reached China |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | and he only had 3 ships |
| 04:08.45 | jetscreamer | 4 iirc |
| 04:08.46 | Azar | hi mister streuner :) |
| 04:08.48 | stoned | if your got all DD's laid.. I mean paid... it would be nicer |
| 04:08.49 | jetscreamer | one turned back |
| 04:08.55 | stoned | Azar: my homie dude man bro whats up |
| 04:09.00 | streuner | Azar: hello |
| 04:09.08 | Azar | mister stoned! reading the interview with the new DPL |
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| 04:09.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: if it weren't for a land mass somewhat less than halfway between europe and china, he would've been screwed |
| 04:09.21 | Dewi | stoned: how else are you going to get debian developers laid, other than by paying for it? |
| 04:09.23 | stoned | 1000 DDs. Each gets 1$ a day donation |
| 04:09.39 | stoned | thats like 30$/month just for workin on debian |
| 04:09.44 | stoned | i think thats cool |
| 04:09.47 | peterS | Dewi: that's harsh (: |
| 04:09.48 | stoned | not too taxing on people |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | Dewi: ouch man |
| 04:10.05 | Dewi | stoned: conduct unethical experiments in which hot women are grown in glass tubes, brainwashed to consider package policy interesting and sexy? |
| 04:10.13 | thingfish | stoned: have you seen that pic of the geek in a t-shirt that says "I run a unix-based o.s. Which means that I get laid about as often as I have to reboot my computer."? |
| 04:10.31 | Azar | haha |
| 04:10.34 | jetscreamer | huh |
| 04:10.37 | stoned | thingfish: heh |
| 04:10.38 | jetscreamer | In fact, few at the time of Columbus’s voyage, and virtually no sailors or navigators, believed this.[3] Most agreed Earth was a sphere. This had been the general opinion of ancient Greek science, and continued as the standard opinion (for example of Bede in The Reckoning of Time) until Isidore of Seville misread the classical authors and stated the Earth was flat, inventing the T and O map concept. |
| 04:10.39 | peterS | thingfish: so since mac people tend to reboot daily... |
| 04:10.40 | stoned | whats up thinger man |
| 04:10.44 | thingfish | hehe |
| 04:10.51 | stoned | windows user reboot many times a day! |
| 04:10.58 | stoned | but its not unix |
| 04:10.58 | thingfish | hey stoned just chillin |
| 04:11.09 | Azar | stoned: I take it you did not read yet "Debain WrEtch: review of an UnAmerican Linux system" |
| 04:11.13 | stoned | thingfish: how your partner doing? |
| 04:11.20 | stoned | thingfish: you still working like a mule? |
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| 04:11.30 | Dewi | Azar: good god |
| 04:11.31 | stoned | thingfish: i hardly ever see you around chilling anymore |
| 04:11.37 | jetscreamer | hmm i don't see the fourth |
| 04:11.53 | peterS | jetscreamer: maybe you thought the Santa Maria was two ships? |
| 04:11.56 | Azar | stoned: I guess only me working saturday and sunday from 8 am to 8 pm |
| 04:12.00 | thingfish | stoned: work |
| 04:12.15 | stoned | Azar: i worked this weekend, 9 hours each day |
| 04:12.25 | thingfish | stoned: my schedule is all screwed up. 12:30-9:00 |
| 04:12.28 | Azar | stoned: make that 12 hours each day for me |
| 04:12.43 | thingfish | stoned: thurs - mon |
| 04:12.48 | stoned | 1 hour break, so about 10 hours total, plus half hour drive to work an back, 8 hours of sleep so about only 4 hours to myself |
| 04:12.57 | Azar | thingfish: we could date, we got same days off |
| 04:12.57 | thingfish | sheish |
| 04:13.00 | thingfish | hehe |
| 04:13.06 | stoned | lol |
| 04:13.10 | thingfish | ;) |
| 04:13.14 | stoned | Azar was trying to get me to go out with him |
| 04:13.31 | stoned | but Im not on that team |
| 04:13.34 | stoned | :) |
| 04:13.40 | Azar | stoned: I am realizing you are too restless for my type |
| 04:13.47 | stoned | haha |
| 04:13.49 | peterS | xoz: you're thinking of #debian-offtopic, which does exist |
| 04:13.50 | Azar | ok back to helping! |
| 04:13.51 | thingfish | Azar: we could have a 3-way with my hubby |
| 04:13.51 | stoned | im a jitterbug man |
| 04:13.57 | jetscreamer | peterS: no, i heard a long time ago there were 4 to start with, but something happened |
| 04:13.59 | stoned | im severly adhd n stuff |
| 04:14.03 | stoned | i can't sit still |
| 04:14.16 | jetscreamer | i don't see it in google or wikipedia though |
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| 04:15.18 | thingfish | stoned: guess what! They use a little linux at work. Guess what! It's fedora. |
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| 04:15.25 | Azar | hehehe |
| 04:15.33 | thingfish | idiots |
| 04:15.35 | stoned | thingfish: you told me that alraady :) |
| 04:15.40 | stoned | thingfish: and I agreed! |
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| 04:15.55 | salah | hi |
| 04:15.56 | stoned | thingfish: convice them to run debian, offer to admin it for them |
| 04:15.57 | thingfish | I did? uh oh, blame it on the dead and dying brain cells |
| 04:16.13 | Azar | hey we still run windows at work and my heart smiles everytime we get bsod |
| 04:16.15 | stoned | thingfish: stop toking man.. 2.5 months here, no tokery no doobage no herbery |
| 04:16.18 | stoned | I been clean |
| 04:16.25 | Dewi | peterS: I don't believe in #debian-offtopic. I think it's a trap. There's poison gas in there intended to kill unproductive members of the community |
| 04:16.28 | thingfish | stoned: then you'd better change your nick hehe |
| 04:16.35 | stoned | and I can now remember where i put my car keys 10 minutes after i get home |
| 04:16.37 | peterS | Dewi: that is possible |
| 04:16.41 | stoned | its nice to be able to remember things |
| 04:16.42 | stoned | :) |
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| 04:16.57 | salah | each time i`m trying to install or update pakg (there is no public key ) |
| 04:17.04 | salah | what can i do ? |
| 04:17.08 | Azar | ok no really, we gonna upset mister peterS... back to Debian issues |
| 04:17.16 | stoned | lol |
| 04:17.20 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.21 | peterS | / \ |
| 04:17.23 | stoned | haha |
| 04:17.27 | stoned | i knew you were gonna do that |
| 04:17.30 | thingfish | yeah sorry guys |
| 04:17.30 | stoned | i just knew it |
| 04:17.30 | hark | salah: yes, check the topic |
| 04:17.32 | Azar | salah: check the date/time first |
| 04:17.36 | peterS | you did not. I often don't |
| 04:17.43 | stoned | I so did! |
| 04:17.49 | stoned | !debstats |
| 04:17.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 04:17.56 | stoned | look at peterS's pic |
| 04:17.59 | stoned | its the lol dude |
| 04:18.03 | Azar | :) |
| 04:18.04 | peterS | it is! |
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| 04:20.46 | stoned | peterS is either insane or just a fair op, kicking a total of 5 people! |
| 04:20.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:20.53 | stoned | i love those little tidbits at the bottom |
| 04:21.07 | stoned | Poor Guerin, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 3 times. |
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| 04:21.11 | haiger | ok, i think i am having a blond moment.... i have a Debian box with 2 NIC's one is a wireless which i am using to browsr the internet, and the 2nd is a regular NIC(Not used yet)...I want to use the 2nd NIC and conecct a router to it, what i want to do is user the 1st NIC(wireless) to router internet connection the 2nd NIC....can someone help me please |
| 04:22.12 | stew | it's not like being insane and being a fair op are mutually exclusive |
| 04:22.20 | salah | so |
| 04:22.24 | salah | what can we do |
| 04:22.24 | streuner | "I'm not trying to give users what they want, I'm trying to give them freedom, which they can then accept or reject. If people don't want freedom, they may be out of luck with me, but I won't allow them to define for me what is right, what is worth spending my life for." |
| 04:23.28 | stoned | stew: hehe but its funny to read that stuff |
| 04:23.50 | salah | lol |
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| 04:24.13 | streuner | stoned: do you know where that comes from? |
| 04:24.26 | stoned | streuner: I'm guessing from ubuntu or something |
| 04:24.31 | streuner | lol |
| 04:24.38 | stoned | am i right? |
| 04:24.47 | stoned | probably not |
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| 04:24.59 | stoned | bush? |
| 04:25.02 | stoned | wait.. no |
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| 04:25.06 | haiger | salah where are you from |
| 04:25.13 | stoned | streuner: tell! |
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| 04:25.25 | Azar | stoned: who attacked Guerin? |
| 04:25.30 | stoned | Azar: i dunno |
| 04:25.30 | salah | Eg |
| 04:25.43 | streuner | stoned: have some patience, maybe peterS will tell you one day :-) |
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| 04:25.46 | stoned | haiger: im trying to understand your problem |
| 04:25.51 | salah | Egypt |
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| 04:26.53 | salah | haiger, why you asking ? |
| 04:26.59 | Azar | streuner: the real meaning of freedom is hard to be understood by those used to a dictatorial "we know what you need" concept |
| 04:27.05 | stoned | haiger: ok you need to bring the ethernet card up and you need to do some iptables stuff |
| 04:27.21 | haiger | stoned: yes |
| 04:27.37 | haiger | salah: i lived in egypt for 5 yrs |
| 04:27.46 | salah | cool |
| 04:27.51 | salah | do you like it ? |
| 04:27.57 | stoned | haiger: if your router is wifi, then you can simply bridge it with another one, or use a dual NAT config and make the 2nd router a client for the 1st one |
| 04:28.21 | haiger | salah: oh yeah i love it, i finished my studies from Embaba |
| 04:28.27 | stoned | haiger: if you really want to use the ethernet card to forward traffic from wifi nic then read iptables documentation |
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| 04:28.57 | salah | lol |
| 04:29.06 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.11 | stoned | haiger: basically you will make the wifi nic a gateway to the ethernet card |
| 04:29.15 | salah | haiger, where are you form ? |
| 04:29.27 | salah | from* |
| 04:29.30 | streuner | it needs to a fast writer for this kind of things |
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| 04:29.49 | streuner | be* |
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| 04:30.15 | stoned | streuner: or an alias :) |
| 04:30.19 | haiger | stoned: you know where can i read about making my wifi card as GW |
| 04:30.33 | stoned | haiger: google |
| 04:30.34 | GuHHH | stupid question: is there any problem if i install the xserver from ubuntu into debian? |
| 04:30.34 | haiger | salah: am in the us |
| 04:30.42 | haiger | stoned: cool |
| 04:31.08 | salah | haiger, are you egyption ? |
| 04:31.08 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 04:31.09 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 04:31.16 | haiger | stoned: do i make it GW and also use IPtables |
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| 04:31.23 | haiger | salah: nope |
| 04:31.26 | streuner | same goesf for different debian based distros... |
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| 04:31.46 | streuner | GuHHH: ^^^ |
| 04:31.49 | haiger | salah: can you pm |
| 04:32.01 | salah | sure |
| 04:32.01 | Azar | hot hot from the stove! |
| 04:32.02 | stoned | haiger: your wifi NIC gets an ip address from the wifi router. You will tell the ethernet card to use the ip of the wifi as the gateway address. |
| 04:32.22 | stoned | haiger: i am not going to explain eveyrthing to you, just read and search and learn how to do networking :) |
| 04:32.28 | Azar | stoned: leave the guys alone, don't you see they are busy? |
| 04:32.48 | haiger | stoned: got it thanks bud |
| 04:32.53 | GuHHH | streuner: lol... ;P |
| 04:32.54 | stoned | np |
| 04:32.58 | Azar | wher is rahul, I need to kik his nuts |
| 04:33.06 | stoned | ouch |
| 04:33.09 | stoned | Azar: you evil man |
| 04:33.19 | Azar | stoned: we do that to each other lately |
| 04:33.26 | GuHHH | streuner: i did that, it worked. does it mess up with my debian system? |
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| 04:34.02 | streuner | well, you don't have support then either.... |
| 04:34.12 | Webtester01 | Anyone know how to enable desktop effects in diban 4? |
| 04:34.14 | streuner | BTS wouldn't fit tooo |
| 04:34.26 | Azar | misterrr Guerin! good evening honorable |
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| 04:34.50 | Azar | uh is debian, not diban |
| 04:35.07 | Webtester01 | debian, sorry. |
| 04:35.09 | Webtester01 | My typo. |
| 04:35.19 | Azar | Webtester01: desktop effects are to be found at #gnome or #kde |
| 04:35.30 | GuHHH | streuner: i did that because of xgl |
| 04:35.38 | thingfish | Webtester01: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 04:35.45 | GuHHH | does somebody knows how to install xgl on debian? |
| 04:36.16 | Azar | ...on debian version#? kernel version? |
| 04:36.18 | stoned | GuHHH: which video card do you have? |
| 04:36.29 | GuHHH | stoned: ati |
| 04:36.32 | stoned | GuHHH: intel/nvidia/ati? |
| 04:36.38 | stoned | GuHHH: which ati card, model please? |
| 04:36.43 | GuHHH | stoned: cant run aiglx :) |
| 04:36.46 | GuHHH | stoned: x800 xt |
| 04:36.58 | stoned | GuHHH: you could proabably run the radeon driver on that card |
| 04:37.15 | GuHHH | stoned: sadly i cant, only if i disable the dri module :/ |
| 04:37.16 | salah | how can i insatll it aiglx on etch 4 |
| 04:37.20 | stoned | fglrx doesn't support aiglx but i think radeon does |
| 04:37.27 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:37.34 | salah | apt ? |
| 04:37.40 | salah | using apt ? |
| 04:37.48 | GuHHH | stoned: you have it on xorg already |
| 04:37.49 | stoned | GuHHH: you will have to download xgl source, compile it and make it work yourself |
| 04:37.51 | GuHHH | ops |
| 04:38.00 | GuHHH | salah: its on xorg already |
| 04:38.00 | stoned | Xgl isn't in debian so its installatio methods are not supported here afaik |
| 04:38.23 | salah | umm |
| 04:38.45 | salah | what is your last words? |
| 04:38.54 | salah | how can i install it |
| 04:39.03 | GuHHH | salah u dont need to. |
| 04:39.13 | salah | ok |
| 04:39.16 | haiger | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.17 | markybob | salah: there's nothing to install. what about "it's in x" doesnt make sense to you? |
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| 04:40.21 | salah | :( |
| 04:40.49 | stoned | salah: do you have an nvidia video card? |
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| 04:41.11 | salah | intel |
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| 04:41.29 | salah | intel not nvidia |
| 04:41.33 | stoned | salah: ok I don't know if intel supports aiglx |
| 04:41.44 | salah | k |
| 04:41.46 | stoned | salah: more than likely its an onboard gfx chip |
| 04:41.50 | stoned | and more than likely it is utter crap |
| 04:42.19 | stoned | salah: you can buy a cheap 30$ video card. Get an nvidia fx5200 and you can still run beryl with aiglx |
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| 04:42.33 | stoned | in fact that card should only be like 15-20$ |
| 04:42.49 | salah | it is in my laptop dude |
| 04:42.55 | stoned | ahh lappy |
| 04:43.02 | salah | not PC |
| 04:43.05 | stoned | ok you're shit out of luck |
| 04:43.10 | salah | lool |
| 04:43.13 | stoned | laptop IS a pc |
| 04:43.15 | salah | yeah you right |
| 04:43.21 | stoned | it is personal |
| 04:43.23 | stoned | and it computes |
| 04:43.24 | salah | yeah |
| 04:43.28 | stoned | size and portability dont' matter |
| 04:43.32 | stoned | it IS a pc |
| 04:43.58 | salah | debian:/home/salah# apt-cache aiglx |
| 04:43.58 | salah | E: Invalid operation aiglx |
| 04:44.03 | salah | what is that mean ? |
| 04:44.10 | salah | i`m gonna lose my mind |
| 04:44.14 | markybob | salah again, IT'S PART OF X |
| 04:44.18 | stoned | it means I'm gonna lose MY mind man |
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| 04:44.21 | stoned | damn |
| 04:44.21 | markybob | salah it's not a separate package |
| 04:44.27 | FarrisG | Is there a tool/trick to quickly count up the amount of RAM being used by processes matching a certain pattern? |
| 04:44.40 | stoned | pattern? |
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| 04:45.07 | jrsims | hey, anyone know which mainstream electronics store has the best return policy? In the US? |
| 04:45.13 | FarrisG | stoned: pattern. regexp. text string. anything |
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| 04:45.20 | markybob | jrsims: best buy, probably |
| 04:45.24 | stoned | jrsims: newegg.com <-- not a debian related question |
| 04:45.54 | stoned | actually best buy might top out newegg |
| 04:46.00 | FarrisG | for instance "ps aux | grep oracle" <-- I want to count up how much ram is being used by all those processes |
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| 04:46.08 | jrsims | yeah, I know it's not debian related. but is there really another channel for this? Besides. I trust the Debian community for a good answer to questions like these. |
| 04:46.09 | stoned | i've brought stuff i bought like a day ago, broke it and returned it saying it don't work |
| 04:46.11 | jrsims | :) |
| 04:46.12 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 04:46.25 | stoned | FarrisG: top/htop? |
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| 04:47.13 | jrsims | Yeah, I'm looking at buying an LCD monitor, and want to be able to return it after I try it in-home for a few weeks. |
| 04:47.24 | markybob | jrsims: best buy |
| 04:47.44 | jrsims | k. that's what I was thinking. |
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| 04:49.26 | stoned | FarrisG: STANDARD FORMAT SPECIFIERS rss RSS resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes). |
| 04:49.44 | stoned | FarrisG: in the ps manpage.. thats all I was able to find.. i've no idea how to us ps to get this info.. only top/htop |
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| 04:51.04 | stoned | jrsims: #hardware #electronics |
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| 04:55.31 | trelane | how do you list every package installed on a system? |
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| 04:56.55 | foo | trelane: dpkg -L |
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| 04:57.06 | foo | trelane: dpkg -l, whoops |
| 04:57.31 | haiger | stoned: how can i know if my nic is working fine, modeprob |
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| 04:57.52 | hark | !installed |
| 04:57.53 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 04:58.16 | diabolix | every time i try to do any package management, i get this message: E: The package frostwire needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 04:58.22 | diabolix | what should i do? |
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| 04:58.46 | diabolix | when i try to reinstall frostwire, it tells me the package is corrupt. |
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| 04:59.10 | diabolix | using gdebi... |
| 04:59.21 | diabolix | to many ways of doing the same thing in ubuntu.... |
| 04:59.35 | haiger | stoned: am sorry, what i mean is how can i now which card is eth0 and with is the wifi one please |
| 05:00.20 | stoned | haiger: ifconfig, /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 05:00.36 | stoned | iwconfig blah blah blah |
| 05:00.45 | hark | check with iwconfig |
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| 05:00.57 | bioubioub | hello |
| 05:01.11 | haiger | stoned: yeah, i know but it doens't tell me which one it use from lspci |
| 05:01.26 | stoned | I'm trying not to fall asleep lol |
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| 05:01.43 | stoned | passin out ... must... get... sleep... |
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| 05:02.20 | diabolix | so... is there a list of packages somewhere? how do i just force it to do something and fix itself... |
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| 05:02.29 | d4nk | anybody tell me why the text in my applications is micro-sized after an apt-get upgrade? http://dankronstal.googlepages.com/wtf.jpg |
| 05:03.11 | d4nk | i've asked the #e folks and got steered here. probably some generic x config issue |
| 05:04.30 | stoned | d4nk: probably some font stuff in gtk2 rc files maybe? |
| 05:04.50 | d4nk | I'll look. Thanks. |
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| 05:06.10 | stoned | d4nk: I dunno.. realy |
| 05:07.26 | Azar | hey they should stop bitching about the Debian releases.... same thing happens with the Linux kernel releases.. way to go Adrian Bunk! http://kerneltrap.org/node/8110 |
| 05:07.59 | Azar | stoned: go to bed, swee dreams |
| 05:08.02 | Azar | sweet |
| 05:08.25 | stoned | d4nk: how about this.. apt-get install xfce-mcs-manager xfce4-mcs-plugins && xfce-setting-show |
| 05:08.48 | stoned | d4nk: or even smaller.. switch/switch2 |
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| 05:09.08 | stoned | gtk-theme-switch <-- set fonts with that? |
| 05:09.14 | diabolix | so.. what do you do when apt keeps telling you to reinstall a package? |
| 05:09.23 | Guerin | diabolix: reinstall it |
| 05:09.28 | Guerin | don't fight apt |
| 05:09.31 | Guerin | you won't win |
| 05:09.44 | jrsims | I fought apt once... |
| 05:09.44 | diabolix | it keeps telling me that when i try to reinstall it tho. |
| 05:09.56 | Guerin | diabolix: aptitude -f install; |
| 05:10.08 | Azar | diabolix: yes, clean up using aptitude |
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| 05:10.34 | Azar | Guerin you cooked? |
| 05:10.46 | stoned | dude |
| 05:10.49 | stoned | I hate you guys |
| 05:10.57 | Azar | stoned: oh no! why? |
| 05:11.00 | mystic_source | someone knows where i can change the apache2 file display font? the letter are to big urggg :x |
| 05:11.01 | stoned | stop talking about being wasted |
| 05:11.03 | stoned | :( |
| 05:11.15 | stoned | you provoke my envy |
| 05:11.50 | diabolix | ok.. so the package is supposedly corrupt, and it won't let me remove it till i reinstall it... |
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| 05:12.33 | vn | uhm...what would be the inverse app of diff? |
| 05:12.39 | Dewi | vn: patch |
| 05:12.39 | F-Lelo | Hello. I keep getting this error: dpkg: error processing tasksel (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. --- Even tho I've did a apt-get install --reinstall tasksell and apt-get -f install |
| 05:12.43 | F-Lelo | what can I do to fix this? |
| 05:12.48 | vn | like..I wanna know what parts of 2 files are identical |
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| 05:13.04 | Dewi | vn: oh. diff has a switch for that |
| 05:13.06 | Dewi | vn: I think |
| 05:13.14 | diabolix | F-Lelo, i have the same problem. |
| 05:13.16 | cmedley | then you don't assign into a problem i have. |
| 05:13.23 | vn | uhm...I might have been looking too fast to the help then |
| 05:13.24 | cmedley | Then you are fast. |
| 05:13.31 | F-Lelo | diabolix: yeah, it's kinda hard to fix it... I have no idea how to do it |
| 05:13.32 | F-Lelo | =/ |
| 05:13.34 | Dewi | vn: actually that maybe doesn't make much sense |
| 05:13.36 | stew | Azar: interetingly, bunk, who is arguing for a longer release cycle in linux was once a debian developer who retired because woody was taking too long |
| 05:13.47 | Azar | hahaha |
| 05:14.13 | F-Lelo | No one knows how to fix mine and diabolix problem? |
| 05:14.14 | cmedley | And how to write programs. |
| 05:14.14 | diabolix | its a paradox, i can't remove the package until i install it, i can't install it until i get a package that isn't corrupt. |
| 05:14.15 | Dewi | vn: how about instead, increase the amount of context in a unified diff so that you have like... 1000 lines of context. That way to see whole files, diffs and nondiffs included. The parts identical will be the lines with no '+' or '-' at the start |
| 05:14.18 | Azar | stew I assume Debian kernel maintainers pick the kernel, clean the bugs and this is how we get our .deb kernels? |
| 05:14.28 | concept10 | That guy does a hell of alot of work on the kernel |
| 05:14.30 | F-Lelo | No one knows how to fix mine and diabolix problem? |
| 05:14.31 | diabolix | F-Lelo, i dunno.. what didi you install? |
| 05:14.42 | F-Lelo | diabolix: I was just trying to dist-upgrade |
| 05:14.43 | diabolix | i installed frostwire.. |
| 05:14.43 | christof | Please how to configure a group in the LDAP? I want to send mail to every people in the same ou? is it possible? |
| 05:14.45 | cmedley | the package frostwire needs to accept an arguement, then loop through it and gave it when you installed the 9755 ones. I installed the sun java like i have over a litre of rum on my home dir? |
| 05:14.46 | diabolix | oh. |
| 05:14.51 | d4nk | stoned: thanks, it looks like the gtk-theme-switch bit will let me reset to defaults. perfect. |
| 05:14.52 | cmedley | Yeah i dunno if you'll find a source package will install the it. |
| 05:14.55 | Azar | I remember bunk from back the woody days.... I used patches from his site |
| 05:15.19 | Dewi | vn: like diff --unified=9999 |
| 05:15.22 | diabolix | yeah.. i'm getting annoyed at apt. i don't think i will ever stray from slackware or bsd again, but i really do wanna give this thing a chance. |
| 05:15.35 | vn | ok, I'll check that out, thanks |
| 05:15.52 | F-Lelo | diabolix: I use Debian on all my servers, never had a manjor problem |
| 05:15.57 | F-Lelo | this should be of an easy fix |
| 05:15.57 | Dewi | vn: unless there are more than 9999 identical lines in a row, that switch won't skip anything |
| 05:15.59 | Azar | diabolix: try using "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" it seems it cleans and fixed broken dependencies better |
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| 05:16.58 | CaptainMorgan | using dpkg -l "package" if a package is installed, the version and description will be listed, correct? if not, these two columns will be blanck? |
| 05:17.08 | Azar | F-Lelo: before trying to dist-upgrade you should read the release notes, there are important points there |
| 05:17.19 | diabolix | Azar, but how do i "force" aptitude to remove this package? -f still gives an error. |
| 05:17.27 | F-Lelo | Azar: I read a big part of it, but I didn't find anything that would make me worry |
| 05:17.48 | udos | hi. I just installed etch and now every few seconds the system seems to 'jerk' or 'minipause' (for less than a second... like a 1/10 or so). |
| 05:17.55 | Azar | diabolix: the rule is this: if you installed with apt-get you remove it also with apt-get. Same applies to aptitude |
| 05:17.56 | Dewi | CaptainMorgan: if it's not installed I think you'll get an error saying "not found" |
| 05:18.03 | hark | maybe try using force-remove-reinstreq |
| 05:18.07 | diabolix | Azar, i used gdebi. |
| 05:18.08 | BUMBACL0T | how come i can access my ftp locally but not remotely; everything is fixed, my ftp server's ip is DMZ'd; im using vsftpd |
| 05:18.11 | udos | I particularly notice it when I type or play a dvd |
| 05:18.21 | Azar | diabolix: sorry I do not know what gdebi is |
| 05:18.38 | udos | like "aaaaaaaaa<jerk>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa<jerk>"... |
| 05:18.46 | hark | diabolix: where did you get the .deb from? |
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| 05:19.29 | Azar | F-Lelo: at least you should know you need FIRST to clean your system of broken packages, junk and ported packages. Second, use "aptitude" to dist-upgrade. Third, upgrade your kernel to the Etch's kernel immediately after dist-upgrade |
| 05:19.33 | diabolix | hark, frostwire.com |
| 05:20.31 | hark | what does aptitude purge <package> say? |
| 05:20.35 | F-Lelo | Azar: I've used apt-get dist-upgrade, don't know how to clean broken packages, the kernel part I did it |
| 05:21.07 | diabolix | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
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| 05:21.17 | F-Lelo | same here diabolix |
| 05:21.26 | diabolix | hark ^ |
| 05:21.30 | Azar | F-Lelo: to clean your system before dist-upgrade you can run : aptitude update, aptitude upgrade: if broken packages, or junk are there, aptitude will remove them and/or replace them |
| 05:21.45 | F-Lelo | Azar: oh, that I did.... |
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| 05:21.59 | F-Lelo | I'm considering editing /var/lib/dpkg/status file by hand |
| 05:22.04 | F-Lelo | =/ |
| 05:22.05 | cmedley | no, it would only say "package masked blah blah blah... Well, i think i have read the screen. |
| 05:22.28 | udos | The suspect seems to be Xorg process, every couple of seconds comes to "the top of top" with larger resource usage |
| 05:22.49 | udos | it *seems* concurrent with the system "hickup" |
| 05:22.54 | haiger | why my wireless card is showing as eth_rena in ifconfig ? |
| 05:23.05 | Guerin | udos: running proprietary drivers? |
| 05:23.06 | cmedley | Enverex, the nvidia proprietary drivers will not be up and running. |
| 05:23.06 | hark | diabolix: you tried the dpkg option i said earlier? |
| 05:23.24 | diabolix | hark, yeah i posted the output. |
| 05:23.24 | Guerin | haiger: install ifrename and rename it |
| 05:23.35 | Azar | F-Lelo: also did you prepared your apt/sources.list for the dist-upgrade? commented out sources that you used to port packages? ... stuff |
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| 05:24.03 | hark | diabolix: the force-remove-reinstreq one? |
| 05:24.18 | F-Lelo | Azar: I only had stable on it |
| 05:24.20 | haiger | Guerin: thank you |
| 05:24.28 | F-Lelo | Azar: It's a server... |
| 05:24.34 | Azar | udos: do you have some graphics nicety running? |
| 05:24.40 | diabolix | hark, no.. aptitude force-remove-reinstreq {package} ? |
| 05:26.16 | udos | Guerin: hi. I am running the i810 kernel driver |
| 05:26.16 | cmedley | Hi i am on 2.6.20-1-686. |
| 05:26.17 | hark | diabolix: run dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq pkgname |
| 05:26.17 | udos | Azar: I have hardware acceleration enabled |
| 05:26.17 | Azar | F-Lelo: did you know that on April 8 your / stable was not sarge anymore? while you were updating/upgrading you were actually injecting etch sources into your sarge system |
| 05:26.17 | cmedley | You did not work. |
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| 05:26.17 | Azar | udos: maybe thats the stuff, try to enable it only when needed. |
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| 05:26.29 | F-Lelo | Azar: yes, I've used dist-upgrade on the same day, but I've installed a new server now with the a sarge CD and dist-upgrad'ed it |
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| 05:26.39 | Guerin | udos: anything like flash? or media playing? |
| 05:26.41 | diabolix | hark, thanks. |
| 05:26.43 | udos | Azar: ok thanks |
| 05:26.50 | hark | diabolix: works? |
| 05:26.51 | udos | Guerin: no |
| 05:26.55 | diabolix | hark, that removed it. yep. |
| 05:27.01 | Guerin | udos: funky. |
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| 05:27.07 | hark | diabolix: ok, you can purge it then as well |
| 05:27.22 | udos | Guerin: just every couple of secs xorg slows down the box |
| 05:27.23 | bioubioub | hello I need help on setting up a samba with an intel raid ICH5R that seems not to be recognized. than you |
| 05:27.24 | cmedley | A server is not recognized. |
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| 05:27.33 | udos | just for 10th of sec |
| 05:28.03 | BUMBACL0T | how can i tell if something is TCP or UDP ? |
| 05:28.06 | diabolix | aptitude doesn't seem to handle crashing in the middle of an install very well. |
| 05:28.08 | BUMBACL0T | let's say FTP |
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| 05:28.40 | Azar | udos: what I was thinking of is something like I use: gkrellm that sits all the time and once in a while has a heartbeat |
| 05:29.01 | bioubioub | BUMBACL0T: netstat can tell you |
| 05:29.04 | Azar | ... some gadget, or screensaver .. |
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| 05:29.35 | bioubioub | is there anyone that can help ? |
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| 05:30.33 | F-Lelo | hark: for me it didn't work, it said: dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove tasksell which isn't installed. |
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| 05:31.24 | hark | F-Lelo: i don't know anything about your problem |
| 05:31.39 | F-Lelo | hark: is the same as diabolix |
| 05:31.40 | cmedley | sorry i do the same have a crappily-played sample of strawberry fields up using aptitude. |
| 05:31.52 | hark | F-Lelo: maybe spell tasksel right? |
| 05:32.00 | jamesbrink | anyone know of a way to have linux boot on a usb drive when the drive number may be different from time to time? such as rightnow its /dev/sda but if i want to load it on another machine it will be /dev/sdb |
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| 05:32.20 | hark | BUMBACL0T: ftp is tcp only |
| 05:34.33 | F-Lelo | hark: sorry, my bad... Thanks for helping. |
| 05:34.55 | hark | F-Lelo: heh, np :) |
| 05:35.05 | F-Lelo | ;)) |
| 05:35.14 | udos | Azar: I use ksim, and it seems to confirm... some process (probably xorg) just gobbles extra clocktime every couple of seconds |
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| 05:39.12 | Azar | stew what this guy means with this chart? 2.6.16 was better than any later kernel? http://jengelh.hopto.org/GFX0/kernel-rating-2.6.21.png |
| 05:40.47 | Azar | udos: indeed, steering at my htop I learned that there are some processes who are simply having a permanent "heart beat" at all time. Now if I don't like what I see, I might decide to stop it temporarily (use only when needed) or even remove/replace it with something less annoying |
| 05:42.05 | Azar | udos: personally I like to stay away from a desktop, they are heavy and with lots of stuff that "need running" at all time... |
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| 05:44.17 | Azar | hmm linus is a snub, and the fact that Adrian is a perfectionist is eating him |
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| 05:46.16 | axolx | hey guys -- i bridged eth1 and eth2 to brigde0. the router can ping both interfaces through the bridge, but the hosts can ping across interfaces. any ideas what may be causing that? firewall? |
| 05:46.49 | axolx | s/hosts can/hosts can't |
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| 05:47.06 | sep | axolx, what do you mean it can ping both interfaces ? if you make a bride out of eth1 and eth2 it's not 2 interfaces anylonger it's 1 the br0 interface |
| 05:47.19 | amol | hi to all i am creating debian installable cd with defualt option as install_gui but some old pc due to vga problem it is not installing in gui but in text mode i installed on that pc..how i have to install such old pc in gui mode |
| 05:47.26 | sep | and if you have ip addresses configured on eth1 and eth2 adn not on br0 you'r bround to have strange behavior |
| 05:47.48 | axolx | sep - right, but i mean that the router can ping through the bridge clients connected into both interfaces. makes sense? |
| 05:48.08 | sep | yes. and ? |
| 05:48.15 | axolx | sep - all the ip addresses are configured through bridge0 |
| 05:48.15 | militant | amol: if i recall, the computer needs to have enough ram and meet some other requirements before gui install is available (anyone want to confirm or correct this?) |
| 05:48.17 | cmedley | windows detected. Will not install as a nickname owner, even if they had special glibc requirements. |
| 05:49.01 | axolx | i just want to be able to ping a machine on eth1 from one on eth2. currently i can't |
| 05:49.12 | sep | didnt you jsut say that you could ? |
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| 05:49.38 | axolx | no. the router machine can, but not a client connected to one of the network cards |
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| 05:50.08 | amol | militant i want to change in cd such that after some time it has to go in text mode what i have to do but i want to keep installgui mode as a default? |
| 05:50.15 | Guerin | axolx: i came across this recently. It's all about your routes |
| 05:50.16 | sep | axolx, you have checked for firewall rulesa ofcourse ? |
| 05:50.20 | militant | amol: no idea |
| 05:50.37 | Guerin | the firewall thing is important, but nothing will work if your routes are wrong |
| 05:50.38 | cmedley | Is my apt-get update was the wrong version of the work to try to buildworld after added. |
| 05:50.50 | sep | have you configured the bridge using bridge_ports ? |
| 05:50.55 | damejiar | !topic |
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| 05:51.34 | axolx | sep - checking |
| 05:51.41 | amol | guerin which is good graphical tool for iptables in debian |
| 05:51.42 | cmedley | What good is the purpose of the debian wiki. |
| 05:51.44 | sep | axolx, then check brctl showmacs and verify that your bridge learns the mac's of the clients on the correct ports |
| 05:53.25 | axolx | Guerin: how to i print out the routing table? |
| 05:53.26 | cmedley | How to i get kpdf?? |
| 05:53.27 | Guerin | amol: no such thing |
| 05:53.38 | Guerin | axolx: route -n |
| 05:53.41 | Guerin | man route |
| 05:53.42 | cmedley | Martiancode, default route. |
| 05:53.53 | Guerin | i'm not going to walk you through this, routes hurt my brain |
| 05:54.07 | sep | Guerin, routing ? when he's trying to do bridging ? clients on the 2 ports should comunicate even if his routingtable was emtpy and his interface unconfigured |
| 05:54.13 | Guerin | cmedley: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:54.44 | JarJarBinks|meta | morning all. I'm trying to assemble a filename from the first part of an existing file, and a desired suffix, but this does not expand (using zsh): find . -name '*.foo' -exec convert {} {}(:r).bar \; any suggestions? |
| 05:54.45 | Guerin | sep: oh, he's bridging those interfaces? That's unnecessary. |
| 05:54.45 | cmedley | Oh are you bridging the two of them seem to have selinux support... |
| 05:55.08 | Guerin | JarJarBinks|meta: man rename |
| 05:55.26 | axolx | sep - i dont see anything suspect in the iptables rules. everything's pretty standard |
| 05:55.30 | sep | Guerin, not if he wants a single broadcast domain |
| 05:55.41 | Guerin | sep: where did he say he wanted that? |
| 05:56.01 | Guerin | all he wanted was to ping from one network to another, and the simplest way is to set up a route for it |
| 05:56.04 | sep | never, but i can't just assume he does not |
| 05:56.11 | axolx | where can i see how im setting up the bridge ? i probably did it the debian way but i forget where it is. |
| 05:56.23 | JarJarBinks|meta | Guerin: I don't want to rename, I want to have the new filename in a var, or in the middle of a script line |
| 05:56.30 | Guerin | and meanwhile he doesn't ewwven remember how to set up a birdge |
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| 05:56.34 | sep | Guerin, IF his computer was the defaultgw yes. |
| 05:56.34 | JarJarBinks|meta | the convertion depends on the suffix |
| 05:56.35 | cmedley | Yes, i told you, i've been seeing a whole bunch of gentoo machines, it's often useful to have the if. |
| 05:56.36 | cmedley | That depends on the suffix. |
| 05:56.46 | Guerin | JarJarBinks|meta: how would rename not fulfill that? |
| 05:56.48 | cmedley | Not that i don't like how it was working on a curve? |
| 05:56.50 | sep | axolx, that's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:56.58 | Guerin | sep: no. |
| 05:57.23 | amol | hi log in as a root n tried for desktop->admin->services..then i m getting could not run su check that u have permission for that where i have to do changes so that i can run services |
| 05:57.24 | cmedley | So you are not root. |
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| 05:57.51 | Guerin | amol: open a terminal and type `su' |
| 05:58.00 | Guerin | don't use menus for this shit |
| 05:58.01 | cmedley | Btw... If i use mount function from sys/mount.h , the record associated with this in the menus. |
| 05:58.11 | axolx | sep http://pastie.caboo.se/57612 |
| 05:58.11 | amol | all ready i m root |
| 05:58.32 | Vyrus001 | anybody have 2.6.21 runing deb ? |
| 05:58.45 | Guerin | !anyone use 2.6.21 runing deb ? |
| 05:58.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses 2.6.21 runing deb, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:58.58 | sep | axolx, read zless /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz note especialy the bridge_ports |
| 05:58.59 | JarJarBinks|meta | Guerin: having red the 57 line rename man, I don't see how it would make me run a command like: doYourThing file.in file.out |
| 05:59.44 | JarJarBinks|meta | do you happen to know of any neet ways to use rename, I don't? |
| 05:59.45 | cmedley | Am i going to happen. |
| 05:59.45 | Vyrus001 | Guerin, is that a yes ;)? |
| 06:00.05 | amol | gurerin i typed su but thyen also same error..i log in as a superuser |
| 06:00.08 | cmedley | As is the same in 2.6.20 afaik. |
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| 06:03.37 | axolx | sep - thanks reading |
| 06:03.40 | tuv | how do i read the cpu temperature of a core 2 cpu? |
| 06:03.52 | tuv | there is nothing in /proc/acpu/thermal_zone |
| 06:03.53 | axolx | sep - i just found out how im setting up the bridge: http://pastie.caboo.se/57613 |
| 06:03.54 | cmedley | ah i see how it has not been much known for having exploitable security flaws per se. |
| 06:03.55 | JarJarBinks|meta | tuv: mbmon ? |
| 06:04.46 | tuv | JarJarBinks|meta, is it known to work with core 2 cpu's? i never managed to get anything out of mbmon before (not on core 2 though) |
| 06:04.47 | cmedley | Abrotman, for eth3 and eth4 i have known it. |
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| 06:05.42 | sep | axolx, but the earlier paste was from the interfaces file ? are you configuring the same interface bridge0 in both a script and in the interfaces file ? |
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| 06:06.43 | axolx | sep - i define bridge 0 in the interfaces file, and set up the bridge in this other script i just pasted |
| 06:06.44 | cmedley | Hello, why transfer from and to a script for your own script. |
| 06:06.55 | amol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:07.52 | sep | axolx, that script you have probably do the same as "bridge_ports ath0 eth1" in the interface file would do |
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| 06:08.34 | axolx | sep: right, but it also does other stuff like setting up the wireless network, etc. |
| 06:08.43 | litage | using apt-get, how can you download (but not install) a package *but not its dependencies*? |
| 06:08.47 | axolx | i still dont get why i can't ping from one network card to the other |
| 06:09.54 | sep | axolx, i'd say that you either do it in the interfaces file. OR you do it in a script manualy. it's just cnofusing to try to do half the job in the interface file. and the other half in a script |
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| 06:10.50 | indu | hi, |
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| 06:11.43 | indu | the postgresql debian pacakge is installed successfully only if the locale is set to en_US, where as my locale always is en_IN and thus postgresql 8.1 is not installed successfully |
| 06:11.55 | indu | why is this dependency in locales? |
| 06:12.10 | streuner | !Info locales |
| 06:12.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | How can multiple applications use sound all at once? |
| 06:12.20 | dpkg | locales: has nothing about Info |
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| 06:12.28 | \amethyst | litage: you can use aptitude download package |
| 06:12.55 | litage | thanks \amethyst |
| 06:13.05 | streuner | !info locales |
| 06:13.11 | dpkg | locales: (GNU C Library: National Language (locale) data [support]), section libs, is standard. Version: 2.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3938 kB, Installed size: 10072 kB |
| 06:13.11 | cmedley | 15% is about the partitioner, and after installed it to your locale. |
| 06:14.43 | ebbs | hi Is there a general solution to configure a laptop for it can switch to the second vga-output? Can somebody help me with a helpful link? Ive got a LG notebook... |
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| 06:17.22 | streuner | indu: did you get my last message? |
| 06:18.00 | indu | streuner, which last message? |
| 06:18.10 | indu | is it !info locales? |
| 06:18.33 | streuner | indu: about locales..., you need locales in order to change languages... |
| 06:18.34 | cmedley | You guys musos eh? :D what do i need in the last released kernel. |
| 06:18.47 | streuner | musos? |
| 06:18.53 | basantashrestha | pastebin.ca not working ? |
| 06:19.00 | hark | indu: you should file a bug report then.. or alternaively pastebin what happens here when you try to install it with the en_in locale |
| 06:19.00 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:19.00 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 06:19.04 | GhostlyDeath_ | ESD has bad latency, there a better ESD? |
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| 06:19.24 | streuner | !esd |
| 06:19.24 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 06:19.27 | indu | hark, ok |
| 06:19.47 | streuner | GhostlyDeath_: no, not if you using GNOME and want use that crap |
| 06:20.16 | hark | use alsa :) |
| 06:20.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | It's the only thing that allows mixing |
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| 06:20.48 | streuner | nah, that's not an option if you want sound events like closing a window or such |
| 06:20.49 | cmedley | That's such a file. |
| 06:21.10 | streuner | GhostlyDeath_: well, emu10k1 is able to use that without dmix |
| 06:21.10 | cmedley | no such user `username. |
| 06:21.17 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: alsa can do mixing, too |
| 06:21.22 | hark | people like that? |
| 06:21.23 | indu | where is initdb in debian? |
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| 06:21.35 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 06:21.35 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 06:21.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: How would I set it up? |
| 06:21.41 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: ^^ |
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| 06:21.54 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: It capture old programs talking to \dev\dsp? |
| 06:21.54 | cmedley | [Shiba], ok, i'll give it a bit old. |
| 06:22.07 | hark | indu: part of postgresql |
| 06:22.17 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: IIRC you need to run them under aoss |
| 06:22.17 | streuner | GhostlyDeath_: /dev/dsp is OSS |
| 06:22.18 | cmedley | Hark, but without oss i don't have /dev/dsp. |
| 06:22.40 | streuner | use ALSA-OSS module then |
| 06:22.40 | cmedley | Well, then if you have and load the module to the oss output plugin. |
| 06:22.43 | artagnon | Does every Debian server have the source packages too? ftp.kr.debian.org, the one in Korea doesn't seem to |
| 06:22.51 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: but if the program doesn't speak alsa it probably doesn't speak esd either |
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| 06:23.02 | streuner | artagnon: in general yes |
| 06:23.03 | cmedley | Yes but that means you get in more. |
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| 06:23.20 | hark | cmedley: use alsa-oss; modprobe snd-pcm-oss :) |
| 06:23.21 | GhostlyDeath_ | Would "Enable Software Mixing (ESD)" have to be off in GNOME? |
| 06:23.22 | cmedley | Off to the kernel thing that allows mixing. |
| 06:23.34 | streuner | artagnon: what kind of package? |
| 06:23.44 | hark | GhostlyDeath_: you can set it in gstreamer-properties |
| 06:23.54 | streuner | artagnon: use pdo (packages.debian.org) then |
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| 06:24.07 | artagnon | streuner: Okay, thanks. My bad actually. I screwed up my sources.list by mistake |
| 06:24.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | There's only Audio and Video |
| 06:24.21 | artagnon | streuner: packages.debian.org? Okay. I'll try that mirror too |
| 06:24.22 | cmedley | Its still understanding that if you try to connect sometimes, but the default mirror. |
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| 06:24.34 | jetscreamer | pdo isn't a mirror |
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| 06:25.39 | \amethyst | AFAIK even with snd-pcm-oss you need to use aoss to get dmix to work |
| 06:25.51 | hark | dmix is a part of alsa nowadays anyway |
| 06:25.52 | cmedley | Phpmyadmin is on a server. So that means it has to be able to use alsa? |
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| 06:26.04 | \amethyst | I don't think plugins work with OSS emu |
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| 06:30.12 | drwahl | are there any good documents on how to make a debian repository/.deb? |
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| 06:30.40 | \amethyst | drwahl: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ |
| 06:30.41 | hark | !repository |
| 06:30.41 | dpkg | it has been said that debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 06:30.42 | cmedley | and that discussion of lenny i386 repository? Or are these statistics available somewhere? |
| 06:30.43 | cmedley | variable in the repository. |
| 06:31.12 | hark | !dstats lenny |
| 06:31.20 | GhostlyDeath_ | ok |
| 06:31.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | I can mix sound |
| 06:31.27 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 19515 packages, 1785 maintainers, 44351 MB installed size, 14930 MB compressed size. |
| 06:31.28 | cmedley | Valdyn, says apt will verify that if some of the size of a few packages i can make sense to not understand /stats p. |
| 06:31.32 | GhostlyDeath_ | but this one program uses /dev/dsp directly =/ |
| 06:32.05 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: aoss program |
| 06:32.42 | hark | install alsa-oss |
| 06:32.43 | cmedley | Is alsa like original and oss in the repository. |
| 06:32.44 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: neat |
| 06:32.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: Anyway to do this with all things? |
| 06:33.06 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: you could run your login session under aoss |
| 06:33.10 | hark | http://alsa.opensrc.org/OSS_and_dmix |
| 06:33.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | how would I do that? |
| 06:33.14 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: all aoss does is set an LD_PRELOAD |
| 06:33.46 | axolx | sep: Guerin: the solution was adding this line to my firewall script: IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i bridge0 -o bridge0 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:33.47 | cmedley | I think cmedley might be a solution. |
| 06:34.05 | GhostlyDeath_ | someone say my alias (case sensitive) in 3 second please |
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| 06:34.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:34.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | =( |
| 06:34.41 | jetscreamer | no GhostlyDeath_ |
| 06:34.49 | GhostlyDeath_ | hmm |
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| 06:35.03 | GhostlyDeath_ | When ESD and SOund Mixing was on, I heard a tone when someone said my name |
| 06:35.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: How would I run the login manager under aoss? |
| 06:36.20 | amol | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | Rule #1: Never log in as root (?) |
| 06:36.45 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: do you use gdm with the Gnome session? |
| 06:36.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: yeah gdm + gnome |
| 06:37.29 | indu | what is debian pastebin link? |
| 06:37.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | !paster |
| 06:37.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 06:38.19 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: you can edit /etc/gdm/Sessions/Gnome and change the line gnomesession="/usr/bin/gnome-session blah" to "/usr/bin/aoss /usr/bin/gnome-session blah" |
| 06:38.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | dir /etc/gdm/Sessions doesn't exist? |
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| 06:38.53 | amol | hi all desktop->admin->services..then i m getting could not run su check that u have permission for that where i have to do changes so that i can run services..i logged as a root....same thing i used in ubuntu then it is working fine why? |
| 06:38.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | There's PostLogin, postSessiona nd PreSession |
| 06:39.07 | jetscreamer | they've moved gdm config files around |
| 06:39.15 | jetscreamer | at least gdm.conf |
| 06:39.22 | jetscreamer | a new way |
| 06:39.39 | indu | here is the error that I am getting when I installed postgresql-8.1 with en_IN locale |
| 06:39.42 | indu | http://paste.debian.net/26828 |
| 06:39.50 | bvm | Question about sources and testing: I used a netinstall image for Etch from before the official release. After installing post-release the default repositories in apt-sources list are Lenny. Can I still change them to Etch or have there been any changes yet that might lead to quirks? |
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| 06:40.02 | jetscreamer | you edit/create the gdm.conf in /etc/gdm and only add the values/sections you want to control |
| 06:40.44 | jetscreamer | and the actual default config is under /var/something iirc but i don't, and is subject to being overwritten |
| 06:41.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | there's [daemon] [security] [xdcmp] [gui] [greeter] [chooser] [debug] and [servers] |
| 06:41.14 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: hm |
| 06:41.18 | hark | jetscreamer: hmm /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf maybe? |
| 06:41.20 | jetscreamer | and i don't know how this applies to what you're doing |
| 06:41.23 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 06:41.24 | Dewi | bvm: no doubt there will have been changes, yes |
| 06:41.27 | jetscreamer | something like that |
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| 06:41.44 | jetscreamer | i don't even have gnome installed anymore, not for a while |
| 06:41.57 | jetscreamer | some_gnome_stuff yes |
| 06:41.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | heh |
| 06:42.07 | GhostlyDeath_ | So this is where the hibernation commands are.. |
| 06:42.10 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: hm, it's probably in /usr/share/gdm/BuiltInSessions/ or something like that |
| 06:42.18 | Dewi | bvm: if you've just installed it might be easiest to reinstall from an etch netinst? |
| 06:42.18 | bvm | are these changes that would cause breaks in binary drivers? |
| 06:42.30 | bvm | I think that is the case |
| 06:42.37 | jetscreamer | remember, those under /usr/share will be overwritten on update/upgrade |
| 06:42.50 | jetscreamer | i forget which if not both |
| 06:42.56 | bvm | I was not clear on whether the netinstall was specifically etch or testing generally |
| 06:42.57 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: Just langauge stuff it seems |
| 06:45.04 | GhostlyDeath_ | BaseXsession=/etc/gdm/Xsession ? |
| 06:45.27 | GhostlyDeath_ | wtf kind of word is session? |
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| 06:46.21 | indu | streuner, my postgrelsq-8.1 isntallation on locale en_IN is showing the error message like |
| 06:46.24 | bvm | how frequent are kernel changes in testing? |
| 06:46.27 | indu | hark, http://paste.debian.net/26828 |
| 06:46.36 | Guerin | bvm: as frequent as necessary |
| 06:47.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | I think gdm.conf doesn't have what I need |
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| 06:51.00 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: hmm.. perhaps /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start ¿ |
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| 06:51.02 | indu | hark, streuner shall I post a bug on this? |
| 06:51.26 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: checking /etc/gdm/Xsession.sh now |
| 06:51.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | -.sh |
| 06:51.58 | hark | indu: yeah, looks like it |
| 06:52.20 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: It might be hard to catch where the script ends... the SESSIONFILES loop near the end |
| 06:53.25 | \amethyst | actually, aha |
| 06:53.27 | tuv | what is the current modern linux software raid managment tool? mdadm? |
| 06:53.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: ? |
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| 06:54.54 | GhostlyDeath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: create a new script in Xsession.d called something like 96aoss with something like STARTUP="/usr/bin/aoss $STARTUP" |
| 06:55.00 | GhostlyDeath_ | has gnome-session in it |
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| 06:55.56 | GhostlyDeath_ | if [ "$BASESTARTUP" = gnome-session -o \ |
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| 06:56.06 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: Then when the last script does exec $STARTUP (note the lack of quotes), aoss will get called with the rest of the command as its argument |
| 06:56.21 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: I think doing this in a separate file is the cleanest way |
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| 06:56.37 | \amethyst | s/argument/arguments/ |
| 06:56.45 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: Other files have 99 in it? |
| 06:56.52 | GhostlyDeath_ | wouldn't they be execed last? |
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| 06:57.14 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: Yes, the exec doesn't happen until the very last script |
| 06:57.18 | GhostlyDeath_ | oh yeah |
| 06:57.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | I see |
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| 06:57.24 | GhostlyDeath_ | exec $STARTUp |
| 06:57.37 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: so you just have to change STARTUP in an earlier script :) |
| 06:57.49 | \amethyst | by sticking "/usr/bin/aoss " in front of it |
| 06:58.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | What flags does the file have to be? |
| 06:58.43 | GhostlyDeath_ | need's x or X flag? |
| 06:58.56 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath_: shouldn't need +x because it's sourced rather than executed |
| 06:59.05 | GhostlyDeath_ | I'll check it out |
| 06:59.10 | GhostlyDeath_ | brb |
| 06:59.11 | \amethyst | most of the others are just 644 |
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| 07:03.02 | jrockway | hey all, can i install debian onto a RAID1 LVM and have it boot properly even if a disk fails (and i unplug it)? |
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| 07:03.26 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: nope |
| 07:03.29 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: sound doesn't play |
| 07:03.43 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: is LD_PRELOAD set? |
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| 07:03.49 | GhostlyDeath | oh well |
| 07:03.55 | GhostlyDeath | ill check |
| 07:04.16 | GhostlyDeath | echo $LD_PRELOAD says nothing |
| 07:04.32 | xjkx | does anyone know if there is a free license to audio? |
| 07:04.38 | \amethyst | hm... what did you script say? |
| 07:04.48 | jrockway | xjkx: like creative commons? |
| 07:05.14 | GhostlyDeath | STARTUP="/usr/bin/aoss $STARTUP" |
| 07:05.25 | xjkx | jrockway, i dont know creative commons, will read about |
| 07:05.31 | jrockway | xjkx: http://creativecommons.org/audio/ |
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| 07:05.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: that should work, so probably something else is removing the LD_PRELOAD (maybe for security reasons?) |
| 07:06.05 | xjkx | i found in .org.br :> thanks |
| 07:06.08 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: no sound though |
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| 07:06.12 | GhostlyDeath | maybe ALSA didn't load? |
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| 07:06.30 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: do you have /proc/asound ? |
| 07:06.31 | GhostlyDeath | Used alsaconf and got sound now |
| 07:07.00 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you need alsa up before it runs aoss, otherwise it won't do anything |
| 07:07.06 | bvm | does anyone know how stable an NDISwrapper kernel module built in Lenny will be -- will the api's between kernel versions in testing likely change enough to break it? |
| 07:07.07 | \amethyst | s/it w/aoss w/ |
| 07:07.25 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: I got a /proc/asound |
| 07:07.48 | alleyoopster | suspend2 in etch. do I need to patch the kernel first? |
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| 07:07.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: was it there before you ran alsaconf? |
| 07:08.01 | xjkx | jrockway, it says "music" its just a mono speaking audio teaching things :> |
| 07:08.09 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: It should of been |
| 07:08.18 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: I'll check the dates |
| 07:08.20 | xjkx | i meant my audio |
| 07:08.39 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: dates won't help in /proc/ :) |
| 07:08.53 | GhostlyDeath | ALSA should automatically load |
| 07:09.19 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: what did you have to do with alsaconf? |
| 07:09.32 | GhostlyDeath | it reloaded the drivers |
| 07:09.36 | GhostlyDeath | modprobes it |
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| 07:09.42 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 07:09.50 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: so the drivers weren't loaded before? |
| 07:09.51 | GhostlyDeath | unload, look for cards, probe and load |
| 07:09.53 | \amethyst | aha |
| 07:09.54 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 07:10.04 | GhostlyDeath | They usually autoload |
| 07:10.23 | GhostlyDeath | Was screwing around with the sound though |
| 07:10.32 | GhostlyDeath | might of been removed or something |
| 07:11.35 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: any suggestions? |
| 07:11.53 | \amethyst | hm.. you can always do export LD_PRELOAD="/usr/lib/libaoss.so" in your .bashrc or something |
| 07:12.39 | litage | how do you determine a package's build-dependencies? |
| 07:12.41 | GhostlyDeath | in /etc? |
| 07:13.20 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: I would say in your personal .bashrc |
| 07:13.31 | GhostlyDeath | Where is that? |
| 07:13.35 | \amethyst | ~/.bashrc |
| 07:13.50 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 07:13.50 | GhostlyDeath | ~/.bashrc? |
| 07:13.53 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 07:14.07 | \amethyst | bad bot |
| 07:14.10 | \amethyst | no cookie |
| 07:14.15 | GhostlyDeath | lol |
| 07:14.42 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: beginning or end? |
| 07:14.59 | GhostlyDeath | or find an export and place it next to it? |
| 07:15.05 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: doesn't really matter, probably the end |
| 07:15.27 | GhostlyDeath | and to reload |
| 07:15.34 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: start a new shell :) |
| 07:15.36 | alleyoopster | Is http://suspend2.net/ currently the best source of howto on suspend2 for etch, thanks? |
| 07:15.45 | GhostlyDeath | kill X? |
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| 07:16.13 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: yeah, log out and back in |
| 07:16.37 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
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| 07:18.14 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: didn't work but.. |
| 07:18.18 | GhostlyDeath | In gnomeI just did |
| 07:18.20 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 07:18.21 | alleyoopster | anyone? |
| 07:18.24 | GhostlyDeath | right clicked the program and opened with aoss |
| 07:18.26 | GhostlyDeath | and that worked |
| 07:18.36 | artagnon | I have a DVD that's scratched a bit. Xine refuses to play it at the part it gets stuck and immediately ends the movie. mplayer simply gets stuck there for eternity. What do I do? |
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| 07:19.16 | Dewi | artagnon: try to extract it with a DVD ripping tool |
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| 07:19.38 | artagnon | Dewi: Isn't there a way to play it skipping over the bad portions? |
| 07:19.43 | Dewi | artagnon: using other drives quite often helps too - no two drives ever see the same scratches |
| 07:19.57 | JarJarBinks|meta | does anybody know how to make gmrun use the PATH of your default SHELL (or just how to set the PATH for gmrun) |
| 07:20.02 | Dewi | artagnon: it probably is doing that, but very very slowly :) |
| 07:20.03 | artagnon | Dewi: I have only one DVD drive :( |
| 07:20.18 | artagnon | Dewi: No, xine ends immediately |
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| 07:20.28 | Dewi | artagnon: oh, right. |
| 07:20.32 | d0uglas | Hi. Want to get postfix to relay mail from clients of one subnet through the server of a different host/ip range entirely to any destinations.. anyone good with postfix's main.cf? |
| 07:20.35 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: Guess I'll just openwith from now on |
| 07:20.58 | artagnon | Dewi: Unfortunately and rather ironically, I don't have enough disk space to rip :( |
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| 07:21.18 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: You could create a launcher for the program |
| 07:21.18 | artagnon | to rip to* |
| 07:21.41 | Dewi | artagnon: note down the timecode and jump to after there manually |
| 07:21.52 | Dewi | artagnon: if you're lucky your player will have a "skip to this many seconds in" type feature |
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| 07:22.40 | alleyoopster | artagnon: there are some skip options in mplayer you may want to check out |
| 07:22.54 | artagnon | alleyoopster: yeah? I'll check the manpage |
| 07:23.25 | alleyoopster | artagnon: yeah, i am no expert, but have a look yourself, it may help. The man page is scary |
| 07:23.33 | artagnon | :) |
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| 07:24.50 | artagnon | I can skip over stuff even otherwise using the bar to manually drag to the desired seconds, but that doesn't work either |
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| 07:24.50 | artagnon | and it isn't just one part that's damanged, it's many bits in between that are damaged |
| 07:24.55 | artagnon | it's too much of a pain to skip over each of them anyway (even if I could without touching the damaged part) |
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| 07:25.46 | alleyoopster | artagnon: maybe try writing the DVD out to ISO and reburn |
| 07:26.03 | slack__ | hi anybody! |
| 07:26.23 | Dewi | artagnon: physical device failures take a long time, but if you zero out the sectors on a clean medium (HD or another DVD) it will fail fast and hopefully just skip past badness |
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| 07:26.27 | artagnon | alleyoopster: Already suggested but ironically I don't have enough disk space to rip to :) |
| 07:26.45 | bhundven | JarJarBinks|meta: specify the PATH before the command?: PATH="/opt/gnome-cvs" my-prog-needing-custom-path |
| 07:26.58 | artagnon | Dewi: I think that's the only option left |
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| 07:27.08 | artagnon | I need to buy some SATA first :P |
| 07:27.20 | artagnon | Thanks all. Gotta run |
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| 07:28.52 | JarJarBinks|meta | bhundven: so I need to keep an uptodate path variable multiple places |
| 07:29.20 | bhundven | you could update your path in .bashrc or .bash_profile |
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| 07:29.31 | bhundven | or if you want everyone to access it update your /etc/profile |
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| 07:29.42 | JarJarBinks|meta | it is uptodate... it works in my default shell, and with that PATH, but gmrun does not read the $PATH variable |
| 07:29.49 | JarJarBinks|meta | not the local one at least |
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| 07:30.14 | JarJarBinks|meta | in .`echo -n $SHELL`rc |
| 07:30.17 | bhundven | huh... what is gmrun? |
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| 07:30.24 | cappicrd | that's a secret |
| 07:30.29 | bhundven | ^^ |
| 07:30.30 | slack__ | hahaha |
| 07:30.30 | bhundven | I guess |
| 07:30.31 | JarJarBinks|meta | gnome mooshos run command |
| 07:30.41 | JarJarBinks|meta | iirc |
| 07:30.46 | Alarm | goodmorning. how easy is it to install the latest nvidia drivers when i have allready installed some in that way: htttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo . Also are there any nvidia-glx-new drivers or i have to do that manualy with the run file ? |
| 07:30.50 | bhundven | huh. |
| 07:30.59 | JarJarBinks|meta | :) |
| 07:31.17 | bhundven | use F2 |
| 07:31.23 | JarJarBinks|meta | :) |
| 07:31.26 | bhundven | !?! |
| 07:31.44 | JarJarBinks|meta | I use fluxbox, so I have: Mod1 F2 :ExecCommand gmrun |
| 07:31.51 | bhundven | ah |
| 07:32.19 | JarJarBinks|meta | kinda anoying it doesn't read my PATH var |
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| 07:32.51 | bhundven | hehe, but it doesn't read environment variables, so looks like you need to: apt-get source gmrun |
| 07:33.22 | JarJarBinks|meta | hehe, I'll love that |
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| 07:34.54 | dimgr | hi , i have a dual AMD system ... what do i need to add in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to take advantage of the 2 cpus when building a new kernel |
| 07:34.57 | bhundven | ick... and it's c++ |
| 07:34.58 | JarJarBinks|meta | bhundven: by the way it was Gnome Mishoos run :) |
| 07:35.00 | MegaR0M | hey is ther support for my tv tuner and what recording app should i install in case i move to debian ? |
| 07:35.11 | MegaR0M | does iot allso allow background recordings ? |
| 07:35.31 | MegaR0M | cuz my vista is like crashing once tomany |
| 07:35.51 | bhundven | !lol |
| 07:35.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:35.58 | Alarm | how could i check if the 3d acceleration of nvidia is enabled ? |
| 07:36.06 | dimgr | Alarm: play a game |
| 07:36.12 | bhundven | glxinfo |
| 07:36.21 | bhundven | er |
| 07:36.24 | MegaR0M | no serious answer ? |
| 07:36.41 | bhundven | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 07:36.42 | MegaR0M | all i get is an aol lol ? o_0 |
| 07:36.56 | Alarm | glxinfo | grep glx , server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation . seeems to work ok |
| 07:37.03 | bhundven | no. vista is buggy. I dont doubt your issues |
| 07:37.05 | Alarm | i get Yes |
| 07:37.23 | MegaR0M | :) thkx |
| 07:37.26 | bhundven | nono |
| 07:37.39 | bhundven | I got a real answer coming for you... hang on |
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| 07:37.41 | bhundven | ;) |
| 07:38.15 | Alarm | the point is that something is not working that well i guess. glxgears works ok . i see the logo , drivers seem to be installed. but if i play soldier of fortune with cedega, the game goes on really low frames rates. where i didnt have any problem at all in kubuntu with it. thats why i want to know if there is something else i can check on the drivers |
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| 07:39.15 | Alarm | i dont think its a matter of the new nvidia drivers, as i was playing on ubuntu with old drivers without any problem. so i dont know if installing the latest now would be a solution . any suggestions of what i could check ? (cedegas settings are exactly the same as they were in ubuntu) |
| 07:39.22 | jdhore | if i have the deb-src repos enabled, is there any way i can "reinstall" certian apps by compiling them from source? |
| 07:39.31 | hark | Alarm: well, that's not supported here |
| 07:40.10 | Alarm | but where ? nvidia on debian should be asked where ? |
| 07:40.36 | hark | Alarm: maybe try with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo/glxgears |
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| 07:41.04 | Alarm | thats a console command or a line that should be added in a config file ? |
| 07:41.15 | sep | Alarm, i just install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) from non-free |
| 07:42.02 | hark | Alarm: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |head |
| 07:42.25 | hark | and see if anything seems wrong |
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| 07:42.27 | Alarm | sep, thank you for ur info, i managed to install nvidia drivers with this guide htttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo . i just dont know if everything is working ok , thats the point |
| 07:43.00 | hark | Alarm: and try with a 3d game from debian's repos too, instead of cedega to confirm |
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| 07:43.16 | Alarm | Hark u didnt tell me. those things u wrote should be listed somewhere or what ? |
| 07:43.30 | Alarm | hark, could u mention a game please that i could try ? |
| 07:43.38 | dimgr | hi , i have a dual AMD system ... what do i need to add in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to take advantage of the 2 cpus when building a new kernel |
| 07:43.45 | MegaR0M | bhundven, still ther ? |
| 07:44.13 | bhundven | MegaR0M: Going from windows to linux can be an task with a bit of a learning curve. If you just want a stable way to view tv and your tv card is buggy in xp as well, then maybe I'd look at the vendor. If it's stable in xp, but not in vista, I don't doubt it.. I work for company that puts out a windows app that breaks on vista, and we have a new version going out to fix this... customers of ours complain about a lot of other things. We suggest to t |
| 07:44.15 | bhundven | hem to revert to xp until vista is more stable. If you feel like learning I do know that there are quite a few tv tuners that work well with linux. check out tutorials on mythtv, they will have lots about tv tuner compatibility. |
| 07:44.25 | hark | Alarm: there are many, planetpenguin-racer seems like a small one |
| 07:44.47 | MegaR0M | it works great in vista |
| 07:44.50 | Alarm | ok. and what about LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose... what to do with it . |
| 07:45.15 | hark | you run it.. to troubleshoot |
| 07:45.18 | MegaR0M | i will move to debian and no this isnt my first linux encounter |
| 07:45.35 | MegaR0M | im chattin from ubuntu as its more stable than xp or vista |
| 07:45.35 | bhundven | MegaR0M: ah. I c I read wrong ;) |
| 07:45.37 | hark | Alarm: ok, pastebin LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 07:45.41 | bhundven | my bad |
| 07:45.42 | udos | does anyone use ksim on etch? |
| 07:45.54 | hark | !anyone use ksim |
| 07:45.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses ksim, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:45.54 | bhundven | nah. I'd really check out the mythtv stuff |
| 07:45.58 | MegaR0M | im just wondering wheter my tv crad is standardly supported by debian ? |
| 07:45.59 | bhundven | it's pretty awesome |
| 07:46.00 | Alarm | ok, hold on a second |
| 07:46.12 | MegaR0M | have u heard of linuxmce ? |
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| 07:46.32 | MegaR0M | bhundven, doesnt mythtv has tobe loaded on screen to record ? |
| 07:46.34 | bhundven | no. I don't do much with tv... |
| 07:46.36 | Alarm | Hark : http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3351 here it is |
| 07:46.43 | MegaR0M | cuz i allso want to use it as a desktop |
| 07:46.49 | udos | I installed ksim but the icon is dead, and there aren't any executables listed when I do a "dpkg -L ksim". How do I call this up? |
| 07:47.01 | MegaR0M | hmm thkx anyhow |
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| 07:47.07 | MegaR0M | u didnt convince me :p |
| 07:47.18 | bhundven | I'm not a sales person |
| 07:47.33 | MegaR0M | lol |
| 07:47.39 | Alarm | and here is with the |head : http://mishu.eu.org/paste/view.php?id=3352 |
| 07:47.58 | bhundven | :-D |
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| 07:49.03 | MegaR0M | :) |
| 07:49.08 | bhundven | and on monday 05/07/2007 (I'm stoked) - I will be *free* from ever having to do direct email/phone customer support. |
| 07:49.17 | bhundven | \m/ |
| 07:49.27 | MegaR0M | woohow :) |
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| 07:49.49 | MegaR0M | im free never the less |
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| 07:49.57 | bhundven | heh |
| 07:50.01 | MegaR0M | i just need to get my shot on time |
| 07:50.10 | MegaR0M | or back to the professional nut house |
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| 07:50.17 | hark | hmm, i would have expected more output |
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| 07:51.58 | Alarm | thats all that LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo returned |
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| 07:54.32 | RichiH | argh |
| 07:54.36 | hark | Alarm: ok, do an "export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose" and run glxinfo |head. see if it gives some additional output |
| 07:54.55 | RichiH | the current sid repository has three borken packages |
| 07:55.03 | hark | only? ;) |
| 07:55.16 | RichiH | kicker kicker-applets xserver-xorg-video-mga -- all size mismatches |
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| 07:55.54 | Alarm | i did, i get exactly the same output hark |
| 07:56.12 | jzxu | is amsn the best msn client on linux? |
| 07:56.30 | hark | there's gaim too |
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| 07:56.44 | hark | Alarm: hmm, ok might as well try that other game and see |
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| 07:57.04 | jzxu | hark: but gaim doesn't support so many msn features |
| 07:57.15 | Alarm | i will install planetpenguin-racer |
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| 07:58.25 | Alarm | really, if i want to remove the nvidia drivers that i installowed after this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaHowTo , is it something easy to do, or i can mix up my system |
| 07:59.01 | hark | jzxu: hmm, like what features? |
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| 07:59.15 | RichiH | also, is there a way to have my ttys keep a scrollback of what happenend in the window after i switched away via atl-<fn>? |
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| 08:00.31 | sep | Alarm, if you want to keep your X working, then first reconfigure xorg. then remove the nvidia packages |
| 08:00.43 | bhundven | RichiH: no |
| 08:00.49 | bhundven | You could use screen |
| 08:01.24 | bhundven | apt-get install screen && man screen |
| 08:01.39 | Alarm | hark, pengiun game seems to work well |
| 08:01.51 | Alarm | sep, good to know , thanks |
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| 08:03.14 | Alarm | wierd. could be that cedega on debian doesnt take much advantage of the nvidia drivers, what should i say. no clue |
| 08:03.32 | hark | Alarm: it seems that it's working and glxgears -printfps should also give a relatively high fps |
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| 08:04.19 | Alarm | larm@rockpc:~$ glxgears -printfps . 9160 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1831.810 FPS |
| 08:04.35 | Alarm | 16215 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3242.950 FPS |
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| 08:04.52 | Alarm | 3000 fps ? :) wooww. all that with an old mx card hehehe |
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| 08:05.22 | hark | yeah, not a benchmark though.. lokks like a cedega issue then :\ |
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| 08:05.58 | Alarm | hark, is it ? i used exactly the same deb file on ubuntu with the same engine with the same settings with the same game. thats why i am a bit confused |
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| 08:06.06 | Alarm | anyway, i will play a bit with the settings of cedega |
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| 08:06.33 | unix_infidel | all those mac ads about having fun and not spending your entire time in front of a word document or an excel doc are all lies |
| 08:06.36 | Alarm | is there any good game i could try on linux ? i dont mean through cedega, something a could download from the repo |
| 08:06.55 | unix_infidel | i do that on bsaically every keyboard my hands lay on. |
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| 08:07.48 | RichiH | bhundven: yah, i use screen, but locally, i keep on forgetting to do so |
| 08:08.04 | RichiH | bhundven: and as of right now, that is useless anyway, cause the stuff is gone |
| 08:08.52 | bhundven | use it or lose it... hahaha |
| 08:09.16 | MegaR0M | bhundven, somehow i feel like my vista is beyond repair ... it doesnt allow we todo ctrl-alt-ldel |
| 08:09.18 | MegaR0M | :$ |
| 08:09.24 | MegaR0M | and it hangs on everything |
| 08:09.49 | MegaR0M | and the funny thing ... it my first bug :p |
| 08:10.26 | tarzeau | !seen toresbe |
| 08:10.26 | dpkg | toresbe <n=toresbe@235.80-203-20.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 52d 13h 15m 14s ago, saying: 'kthxbye'. |
| 08:10.28 | bhundven | I used to support people on vista, but I've never used it myself. (well, I told the people using vista to not use it...so) |
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| 08:12.15 | hark | RichiH: that might be repo issue actually, works here :) |
| 08:12.34 | MegaR0M | lol nice support ... makes sense in a way |
| 08:13.25 | bhundven | well.. if you've ever worked with windows in a professional/enterprise environment, you always stick with the older release until so many service packs come out... so ya.. it makes sense. |
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| 08:13.54 | bhundven | vista is just too new |
| 08:14.17 | bhundven | I'm actually going to stop using both terms as I'm in a debian/linux support channel ;) |
| 08:14.26 | Alarm | too new and too "broken" |
| 08:14.46 | hark | what? professional and enterprise? ;p |
| 08:15.04 | bhundven | well |
| 08:15.12 | Alarm | its the first os i see that they publish first the service pack and then the os itself... |
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| 08:15.47 | scx | hi, the timeout in ssh_config is inseconds right? |
| 08:16.30 | bhundven | scx: from the ssh_config man page: "Specifies the timeout (in seconds) used when connecting" |
| 08:16.36 | RichiH | hark: which are you using? |
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| 08:17.47 | hark | RichiH: sid, kicker is 4:3.5.6.dfsg.2-2 |
| 08:18.08 | scx | bhundven: ah, <TAB> didn't listed the man page for some reason and I guessed it did not exist |
| 08:18.15 | scx | bhundven: thanks |
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| 08:18.38 | hark | !info kicker |
| 08:18.45 | dpkg | kicker: (desktop panel for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.6.dfsg.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1973 kB, Installed size: 5792 kB |
| 08:19.02 | dimgr | hi , i have a dual AMD system ... what do i need to add in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to take advantage of the 2 cpus when building a new kernel |
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| 08:19.12 | bhundven | scx: I'd make sure /etc/cron.daily/man-db is getting ran by cron ;) |
| 08:19.49 | scx | yeah |
| 08:20.08 | RichiH | hark: i meant which repo |
| 08:20.18 | RichiH | Version: 4:3.5.6.dfsg.2-1 |
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| 08:20.25 | hark | RichiH: oh, the .de one |
| 08:20.33 | RichiH | ftp or ftp2? |
| 08:20.41 | bhundven | hmm. actually that just manages the caching of man pages... I don't remember what updates the apropos of man |
| 08:20.52 | hark | RichiH: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ |
| 08:20.57 | RichiH | hark: thanks |
| 08:21.08 | Myelin | Hello. i have done minimal install of debian and now i will be installing xfce through its installer. Will it work? I have not yet installed anything else yet? |
| 08:21.46 | hark | Myelin: better to install from the repos, can't say about the installer |
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| 08:22.28 | RichiH | hark: can you apt-get update and try again? |
| 08:22.30 | Myelin | debian minimal can compile right? |
| 08:22.43 | RichiH | Myelin: no, it lacks build-essential |
| 08:23.15 | Myelin | BUT xfces repository stable is old. |
| 08:23.21 | bhundven | you'll also need to install xserver-xorg |
| 08:23.54 | hark | RichiH: yeah, moment |
| 08:23.57 | bhundven | it's old... but it's stable |
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| 08:24.33 | Myelin | bhundven: But xfce does not depend on it, its maybe already installed in debian minimal? |
| 08:24.53 | bhundven | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 08:24.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg |
| 08:24.58 | bhundven | will tell you if it's installed |
| 08:25.18 | Myelin | ok. Thanks., |
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| 08:26.14 | hark | RichiH: ok, no updates yet |
| 08:26.27 | RichiH | hark: it does not work, for me |
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| 08:26.36 | tarzeau | hey RichiH! |
| 08:26.39 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:26.40 | dpkg | <jeanpoldeux> How can I know if the cpu of my girlfriend is a 386 or a 586? <greycat> jeanpoldeux: it's proprietary. |
| 08:26.52 | RichiH | hmm, i need to reboot the local box |
| 08:27.02 | ma3x | how do I shutdown the computer, is there an option in KDE? |
| 08:27.11 | hark | RichiH: maybe do an apt-get clean/autoclean and try again? |
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| 08:27.35 | hark | Myelin: might want to try #debian-xfce here.. there were plans for a backport iIRC |
| 08:28.26 | RichiH | hark: i autocleaned, yah |
| 08:28.37 | RichiH | hark: it does not even fetch, though |
| 08:28.39 | RichiH | Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kdebase/kicker_3.5.6.dfsg.2-2_i386.deb Size mismatch |
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| 08:28.50 | RichiH | hmm, wait! |
| 08:29.16 | RichiH | i still have the ftp.debian.org mirror activated |
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| 08:29.31 | bhundven | might also want to remove /var/cache/apt/archives/kicker_3.5.6.dfsg.2-2_i386.deb |
| 08:29.39 | RichiH | so it would naturally try to get the newest package |
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| 08:30.02 | bhundven | I may not be right, but it's worth a shot |
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| 08:30.55 | bhundven | maybe you were downloading as the server was getting the file, or do the mirrors download to a temp directory before they put it in the pool. |
| 08:31.13 | dimgr | hi , i have a dual AMD system ... what do i need to add in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf to take advantage of the 2 cpus when building a new kernel |
| 08:32.15 | Gnea | dimgr: you don't, you need to configure the kernel, /etc/kernel-pkg.conf is for configuring the package itself, not the kernel itself |
| 08:32.39 | dimgr | Gnea: i mean for use of CFLAGS etc |
| 08:33.37 | Gnea | dimgr: no need, it figures itself out these days. you just need to tell the .config to use SMP |
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| 08:33.52 | dimgr | ok |
| 08:34.35 | bhundven | dimgr: I think your thinking of the -j argument to make |
| 08:34.49 | dimgr | do i need that? |
| 08:34.57 | bhundven | check out the man file... |
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| 08:35.00 | bhundven | it's optional |
| 08:35.39 | Gnea | -j is only for setting extra threads to compile at the same time - it's just a method of compiling the kernel a little faster, it doesn't actually improve performance |
| 08:36.59 | bhundven | I was reading " to take advantage of the 2 cpus when building a new kernel" |
| 08:37.21 | bhundven | I guess you could see it both ways, so both answers are right ;) |
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| 08:37.40 | Gnea | bhundven: where exactly were you reading that? |
| 08:38.09 | dimgr | so is it like make-kpkg -j blabla? |
| 08:38.20 | Gnea | no |
| 08:38.23 | bhundven | read the man page |
| 08:39.00 | Gnea | !make-kpkg |
| 08:39.00 | dpkg | somebody said make-kpkg was the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 08:39.24 | Gnea | !kp mantra |
| 08:39.25 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
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| 08:40.01 | dutchfish | anyone else has problems with sec updates from http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main |
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| 08:40.14 | udos | well, I just upgraded to unstable, and damn xorg still has the same usage spike |
| 08:40.32 | udos | searching the web, others have had similar issues |
| 08:40.41 | dutchfish | thx |
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| 08:41.05 | udos | every few seconds, xorg just seems to make the system "pause" for a brief tick |
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| 08:41.22 | dutchfish | are there already patches debian patches for 2.6.20-9? |
| 08:41.28 | Gnea | udos: what happens if you run top? |
| 08:41.44 | dutchfish | udos, what kernel? |
| 08:42.02 | udos | Gnea: Xorg goes to the top every few secs. Kernel 2.6.18 |
| 08:42.24 | Gnea | udos: uh-huh, what else goes to the top with it? |
| 08:42.39 | dutchfish | udos, had the same problem in 2.6.18-4 until i recimpiled with ticks at 1000 Hz |
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| 08:43.06 | udos | dutchfish: great. what ticks? |
| 08:43.14 | dutchfish | udos, Xorg is becoming a monster |
| 08:43.20 | udos | yes |
| 08:43.23 | udos | dutchfish: great. what ticks? |
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| 08:43.55 | Gnea | udos: does this happen when you run X by itself from console or when you're running a window manager of some sort with it? |
| 08:43.58 | bullgard4 | Midnight Commander with an Englisch GUI. Menu Right > Info view: displays 3 timestamps of the selected file. What are their names? |
| 08:44.12 | Gnea | udos: and by X by itself, i mean it should give you just a grey screen and an 'x' cursor |
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| 08:44.13 | udos | Gnea: well, right now I'm running kde |
| 08:44.22 | Gnea | udos: how do you know it's not kde? |
| 08:44.34 | udos | because I watch the processes |
| 08:44.49 | Gnea | udos: you DO know that kde and X are 2 entirely different processes, right? |
| 08:44.56 | udos | yes |
| 08:45.05 | dutchfish | udos, 2 things, 1: Processor type and features ---> Preemption Model ---> (X) Preemptible Kernel (Low-Latency Desktop) |
| 08:45.35 | dutchfish | udos, 2: Processor type and features ---> Timer Frequency ---> (X) 1000 HZ |
| 08:45.52 | udos | Gnea: I proved it using KSysGuard |
| 08:45.56 | Gnea | okay, so then logically, if you log out of X and go to login to the console (ctrl-alt-f1) and type X and press enter, you should be able to run X without kde or any other program - if it still lags, then it's either the kernel or X |
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| 08:46.11 | Gnea | udos: which is a kde program, therefore, that's not good enough of a test. |
| 08:46.16 | [1]Myelin | Hello, i have debian minimal. Which packages i should install to convert my installation to a build environment. I have winmodem and i will be testing the martian project, but to do that i need to build the latest release first. Thanks. |
| 08:46.18 | hark | try with vesa too |
| 08:46.42 | dutchfish | its prolly Xorg, eating more cycles in spikes then the kernel can follow with |
| 08:46.43 | udos | Gnea: OK /etc/init.d/kdm stop... |
| 08:46.49 | Gnea | good |
| 08:46.54 | Gnea | should be nothing running on tty7 now |
| 08:47.17 | Gnea | login to tty1 and tty2, run top on tty2 |
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| 08:47.24 | Gnea | then type X and press enter on tty1 |
| 08:47.38 | Gnea | does the problem persist? |
| 08:47.41 | hark | Myelin: start with build-essential |
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| 08:47.59 | [1]Myelin | ok. |
| 08:48.14 | [1]Myelin | Will it be enough? |
| 08:48.21 | Gnea | udos: also, what video card do you have? |
| 08:48.30 | udos | Gnea: i965 |
| 08:48.38 | Gnea | udos: what is that? an intel? |
| 08:48.44 | udos | yes |
| 08:48.51 | solemnwarning | Can I remove a disk from an mdadm RAID-1 mirror to use as a snapshot for backups? |
| 08:48.58 | hark | !cookie build-essential |
| 08:49.05 | dutchfish | intel |
| 08:49.14 | udos | Gnea: ok Xorg *does not* spike the same way without kdm./.. |
| 08:49.19 | chronographer | hello all. I am using vpnc to connect to my university using debian etch. I wonder if anyone has a good link for usage of vpnc and or advice on why i cannot use the internet whilst im connected? |
| 08:49.19 | udos | ok |
| 08:49.26 | solemnwarning | The only way I can see of doing it in the mdadm manpage is to set the drive and faulty and remove it |
| 08:49.30 | Gnea | udos: thank you. :) |
| 08:49.36 | udos | so the problem could be kde-xorg combo somehpow |
| 08:49.47 | Gnea | udos: what video driver are you using in xorg.conf? |
| 08:49.53 | hark | chronographer: do you have a pcf? |
| 08:49.57 | udos | Gnea: i810 |
| 08:49.58 | solemnwarning | Does mdadm have any option for removing a single disk, then putting it back in the mirror and only writing the changed data? |
| 08:50.02 | chronographer | i dont know |
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| 08:50.07 | chronographer | obviously not |
| 08:50.08 | udos | That's the recommended last I read |
| 08:50.36 | udos | dutchfish: recompiling kernel |
| 08:50.40 | bvm | has anyone here used NDISwrapper with testing over a period of time during which there were kernel changes and did it break? |
| 08:50.41 | Gnea | udos: have you been to http://intellinuxgraphics.org ? |
| 08:50.57 | chronographer | what is a pcf? |
| 08:51.04 | hark | chronographer: er, wait so you can connect or are going to? |
| 08:51.08 | dutchfish | udos, it did a lot for me, but then again i am not using kde but gnome |
| 08:51.10 | udos | Gnea: many times |
| 08:51.13 | chronographer | i can connect, have connected |
| 08:51.14 | blinx | I have some problems with picins.sty with texlive: texi2pdf can't find it |
| 08:51.18 | chronographer | got a config file and all |
| 08:51.35 | Eclipser | grr |
| 08:51.39 | udos | dutchfish: butothers have had this issue too, so I will give it a whirl |
| 08:51.41 | chronographer | so i type vpnc-connect utas and my passwork when it asks and its all fine |
| 08:51.45 | blinx | but tetex-source and similar packages are installed |
| 08:51.49 | dutchfish | udos, oki |
| 08:51.50 | Gnea | udos: what happens if you use the vesa driver? does the problem exist then? |
| 08:51.53 | Eclipser | how can I disable beebing globally from EVERY application.. |
| 08:52.12 | chronographer | I don't know how to browse the shared folders etc. and why my internet stops when im connected. |
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| 08:52.24 | Gnea | udos: can you paste the output of dmesg someplace? |
| 08:52.25 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:52.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:52.28 | hark | !bell |
| 08:52.28 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 08:52.31 | dutchfish | Gnea, on my machine with i965 problem persist then |
| 08:52.48 | Gnea | dutchfish: what if you switch from kde to fluxbox? |
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| 08:53.14 | udos | dutchfish: we'll know soon... building.. |
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| 08:53.23 | Gnea | it's also possible that the kernel isn't handling your PCI bus very well |
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| 08:53.55 | dutchfish | Gnea, i dont know but tracing it gave me Xorg consuming 300mb+ and eating up massive cycles in spikes |
| 08:53.58 | chronographer | don't tell me I am using the wrong software? |
| 08:54.18 | dutchfish | Gnea, no errors what so ever |
| 08:54.58 | Gnea | dutchfish: X isn't eating up the memory, it's the programs that are child programs that are pointing back to Xorg as the parent program so that it LOOKS like Xorg is taking up all of that memory |
| 08:54.59 | chronographer | I want to connect to a vpn at uni where I have files and access to serial keys for expensive software... I am happy to read a long winded howto or whatever, could someone point me to a good one? |
| 08:55.12 | Gnea | dutchfish: the linux VM doesn't work the same as the windos VM |
| 08:55.17 | dutchfish | Gnea, exactly |
| 08:55.17 | Gnea | er, windows |
| 08:55.34 | Gnea | dutchfish: so you have to trace it to the specific program itself - could be a configuration issue |
| 08:56.00 | Gnea | dutchfish: but it could be the result of something else on the system going wonky |
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| 08:56.03 | dutchfish | Gnea, yes there i also found minors, in some panel-aplets |
| 08:56.04 | solemnwarning | Would putting my filesystems on an LVM inside an mdadm mirror be a good idea? |
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| 08:56.35 | Gnea | udos: is your kernel booting with any special options? |
| 08:56.39 | dutchfish | Gnea, after removing them it still exists, but still i was left with Xorg consuming much mem |
| 08:56.50 | dutchfish | Gnea, nope |
| 08:56.50 | chronographer | do i need something like this? # route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 08:56.56 | udos | Gnea: no. See http://pastebin.mozilla.org/34101 |
| 08:57.03 | Gnea | dutchfish: what happens if you boot linux with this option: pci=routeirq |
| 08:57.32 | litage | i ran ``sudo pbuilder create --distribution sarge --buildresult /var/pbuild/www-sarge/'' . it's finished, but /var/pbuild/www-sarge/ is empty and /var/cache/pbuilder/build/24442/ seems to have a Debian installation. what did i do wrong? |
| 08:57.43 | dutchfish | Gnea, will check this out in a few minutes, i am not on thi smachine right now |
| 08:58.20 | Gnea | udos: what laptop is that? |
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| 08:58.57 | dutchfish | Gnea, i have a recimpiled kernel as a told a few lines back |
| 08:59.08 | udos | Gnea: LG something or other |
| 08:59.12 | dutchfish | Gnea, problem is no longer relavent for this |
| 08:59.32 | dutchfish | Gnea, but if you like i reinstall the default 2.6.18-4 1 |
| 08:59.37 | Gnea | udos: an LG what, exactly? |
| 08:59.44 | udos | LS50a |
| 09:00.07 | Gnea | dutchfish: nah that's fine - is APIC enabled on your system? |
| 09:00.14 | dutchfish | Gnea, yes |
| 09:00.37 | Gnea | dutchfish: are you sure? |
| 09:01.02 | dutchfish | Gnea, absolutely |
| 09:01.15 | Gnea | dutchfish: is that a desktop or laptop? |
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| 09:01.54 | dutchfish | Gnea, laptop acer travelmate 435lci 1G with prescott 3.0 Ghz P4 |
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| 09:02.58 | Gnea | udos: read this: http://www.caddit.net/engineerit/linux/linux.htm |
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| 09:03.09 | tim|imac_ | hi all, quick question, i need an older version of a package now from unstable... is there any repository that keeps old versions for a long time? |
| 09:03.11 | dutchfish | Gnea, but the same problem i had on Dell Optiplex 280 |
| 09:03.12 | udos | Gnea: that's my site |
| 09:03.21 | Gnea | what? |
| 09:03.24 | udos | yes |
| 09:03.40 | hark | tim|imac_: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 09:03.43 | udos | this problem is new |
| 09:03.47 | dutchfish | Gnea, and new Optiplexus as well |
| 09:03.52 | udos | due to etch installation :) |
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| 09:04.04 | dutchfish | udos, yes |
| 09:04.04 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:04.09 | hark | heh |
| 09:04.10 | tim|imac | hark: thx |
| 09:05.17 | dutchfish | udos, with 2.6.18-4 and pci-routeirq this issue ixests (no errors) on my acer |
| 09:05.50 | solemnwarning | My server has 2 disks in an mdadm RAID-1 mirror, is there any way of creating snapshots besides LVM? |
| 09:06.18 | udos | dutchfish: I read several older threads where others (even on BSD!) have had the same issue |
| 09:06.19 | dutchfish | udos, for your info with vanilla kernel 2.6.20-9 at timer freq=1000Hz it runs as smooth as could be |
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| 09:06.35 | Gnea | hmmm |
| 09:06.55 | Myelin | what is the among pppconfig and wvdial? |
| 09:06.57 | dutchfish | udos, with 2.6.18-4 @1000 Hz it runs also ok |
| 09:07.17 | udos | dutchfish: we'll know when she pops a kernel here... |
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| 09:07.33 | dutchfish | udos, right |
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| 09:08.04 | Myelin | Sorry, What is the best among pppconfig and wvdial? |
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| 09:08.40 | dutchfish | udos, if you want read this how to do it now in etch: http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html (i took 2.6.20-9 from kernel.org) |
| 09:08.43 | Gnea | !best |
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| 09:08.44 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 09:09.00 | udos | !moo |
| 09:09.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 09:09.32 | Myelin | From CLI ease of use perspective? |
| 09:09.58 | Sebboh | I don't know about the rest of you, but, a cow ways more than twice what I do. |
| 09:10.04 | Sebboh | weighs, even. |
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| 09:11.37 | udos | dutchfish: 404 |
| 09:12.00 | utrrrongeeb | When I install packages from a set of Etch DVDs, I get and Untrusted Source warning. |
| 09:12.00 | dutchfish | udos, maybe my typo? http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html |
| 09:12.25 | cafuego | udos: sudo apt-get install kernel-package; man make-kpkg |
| 09:12.42 | udos | cafuego: uh yeah |
| 09:12.52 | udos | dutchfish: better |
| 09:13.00 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 09:13.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
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| 09:13.50 | udos | IOW: "no fisjing here" lol |
| 09:13.55 | udos | fishing |
| 09:13.57 | udos | grr |
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| 09:15.24 | udos | gtg |
| 09:15.28 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 09:16.20 | hachi | if I type !fire will dpkg say "Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for an evening. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 09:16.27 | hachi | ? |
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| 09:20.00 | cafuego | !fire |
| 09:20.00 | dpkg | i heard fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 09:20.01 | Hypn0tek | Hi all |
| 09:20.09 | cafuego | !factinfo fire |
| 09:20.10 | dpkg | fire -- created by mentor <~matthew@195.10.121.143> at Fri Jun 28 23:00:23 2002 (1766 days); it has been requested 31 times, last by cafuego, 10s ago. |
| 09:20.10 | kth` | Fact: US Presidents buried in Washington, D.C.: William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and John F. Kennedy. |
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| 09:21.13 | Hypn0tek | I'll install Etch on a Dell box, but I have a problem with the Sata controller, as I've found in the net I must change some Bios settings |
| 09:21.28 | dutchfish | can i create facts? didnt know that, teach me ... |
| 09:21.43 | Hypn0tek | but the Setup menu of the bios is a little bit diffrent from what they've said .. |
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| 09:26.51 | solemnwarning | Is there a tool I can use to freeze I/O to an ext filesystem? |
| 09:26.57 | cafuego | dutchfish: You can, but would it be safe if you knew how? |
| 09:27.20 | cafuego | solemnwarning: mount -n -o remount,ro /mountpoint ;-) |
| 09:27.21 | Hypn0tek | am I invisible ?! |
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| 09:27.31 | cafuego | What's that noise? |
| 09:27.41 | solemnwarning | cafuego: Without write errors to all software would be nice :P |
| 09:27.56 | cafuego | solemnwarning: Hmm, then there isn't anything I know of |
| 09:28.04 | solemnwarning | Ok |
| 09:28.07 | Hypn0tek | cafuego: I think that there is somthing that's talking |
| 09:28.26 | solemnwarning | Is it safe to create an LVM snapshot for backups from a filesystem that isn't frozen? |
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| 09:29.19 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 09:29.34 | utrrrongeeb | When I install packages from a set of Etch DVDs, I get and Untrusted Source warning. debian-archive-keyring is installed. |
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| 09:30.07 | dutchfish | cafuego, its something i can not judge, but you could maybe? |
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| 09:30.50 | moka | hello i've a usb network in my modem. The modules usbnet, usbcore and cdc_ether are loaded but no sign of usb device |
| 09:30.51 | Hypn0tek | were can I found plz some help about a dell system setup to adapt the config of my sata hd to debian ? |
| 09:31.08 | moka | do anyone know what's causing the hiccup ? |
| 09:31.11 | dutchfish | cafuego, apropos is it possible to give an ident to this channel with gpg? |
| 09:31.13 | karsten | Hypn0tek: From ... ? |
| 09:31.37 | moka | dmesg reveals "usb 3-1: no configuration chosen from 1 choice" |
| 09:31.45 | moka | anyone can tell me what's going on ? |
| 09:32.21 | dutchfish | moka, a passive hub that runs on low speed? |
| 09:32.21 | Hypn0tek | karsten: sorry but r u asking from where can I be helped ? |
| 09:32.44 | litage | i installed cowdancer and ran ``cowbuilder --create ..'' . unfortunately, it failed with "E: Couldn't find package cowdancer". why would it say that if cowdancer is installed? |
| 09:33.09 | moka | dutchfish, it's a cheap router that has usb extension to it. |
| 09:33.21 | moka | dutchfish, it was working earlier but then it suddenly died. |
| 09:33.34 | dutchfish | moka, is it broken? |
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| 09:33.42 | moka | dutchfish, maybe |
| 09:33.59 | dutchfish | moka, check first your hardware connectors (dust etc) |
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| 09:35.02 | moka | dutchfish, the router has this module (avalanche_usb) on busybox that's loaded as well |
| 09:35.34 | moka | dutchfish, and also shows usb0 there on ifconfig |
| 09:35.38 | dutchfish | moka, i know not much about busybox ~ |
| 09:35.45 | moka | dutchfish, this is all in the busybox |
| 09:36.05 | moka | dutchfish, it's just a system that's running on my router |
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| 09:36.09 | dutchfish | moka, running on udev? |
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| 09:36.27 | aidan | Is there a binary package for gparted-0.3.3 anywhere? |
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| 09:38.59 | _agn_ | am currently installing debian etch with raid-1 and lvm |
| 09:39.05 | utrrrongeeb | When I install packages from a set of Etch DVDs, I get an "Untrusted Source" warning from aptitude. Yes, debian-archive-keyring is installed. |
| 09:39.14 | streuner | aidan: tried pdo? |
| 09:39.31 | _agn_ | and its taking a long time and i see messages with "error" fly by on the console |
| 09:39.43 | aidan | streuner: pdo? |
| 09:39.51 | _agn_ | current: sense key: medium error |
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| 09:39.59 | _agn_ | is that a failing hdd ? |
| 09:40.01 | streuner | aidan: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:40.14 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 09:40.28 | streuner | if you get '51' its prolly a HD error... |
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| 09:40.44 | aidan | 2.5-0 |
| 09:40.48 | _agn_ | 51 ? |
| 09:40.54 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. |
| 09:40.56 | streuner | aidan: paste the whole output here |
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| 09:40.57 | _agn_ | i see 0x51 |
| 09:41.00 | _agn_ | is that it ? |
| 09:41.04 | streuner | yes |
| 09:41.08 | fuzzy_logic | i have a mailserver but i can't get it working |
| 09:41.08 | _agn_ | damn |
| 09:41.11 | _agn_ | ok |
| 09:41.22 | streuner | if its a HD, the HD says 'Hasta la vista, baby' ... |
| 09:41.30 | _agn_ | ? |
| 09:41.31 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: It's from a set of Etch DVDs I upgraded with. Debian-archive-keyring is installed. |
| 09:41.39 | fuzzy_logic | when trying to pick up mail it says connection refused |
| 09:41.46 | streuner | _agn_: the HD is dying |
| 09:41.54 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, you need to import the right key |
| 09:41.56 | _agn_ | yeah..i guessed it.. |
| 09:41.58 | _agn_ | hm |
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| 09:42.11 | streuner | _agn_: do you have smartmontools installed? |
| 09:42.18 | _agn_ | am just installing debian |
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| 09:42.36 | utrrrongeeb | dutchfish: What do I do? |
| 09:42.40 | _agn_ | i just swictehd to console to see whats happeneing.. |
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| 09:42.45 | streuner | oh, could be a driver (kernel) problem as well then |
| 09:42.51 | _agn_ | hm |
| 09:43.08 | l33tn00b | using ftp at the command line, how can i use mget to download multiple files without needing approval for each individual file? |
| 09:43.10 | _agn_ | i don;t know..i have two hdd's 80gb each |
| 09:43.24 | streuner | and the same error for both? |
| 09:43.25 | _agn_ | and i did raid 1 and am going to make it lvm |
| 09:43.35 | _agn_ | nop..its only for sda i think |
| 09:44.22 | _agn_ | end_request: I/O error, dev sda ... |
| 09:44.28 | _agn_ | i see those fly by |
| 09:44.39 | l33tn00b | by that i mean i have to press enter or y for each file. n00b question i know. |
| 09:44.57 | streuner | _agn_: what's the URL where you downloaded the iso? |
| 09:45.09 | Vyrus001 | i installed my soundcard on my laptop and it worked fine... then i rebooted, now it works but i cant open alsamixer, also when i play anything it goes through my headphones AND my speakers, help? |
| 09:45.12 | _agn_ | i used the torrent |
| 09:45.18 | _agn_ | from debian.org |
| 09:45.31 | streuner | _agn_: ok which torrent? |
| 09:45.33 | _agn_ | its the iso with kde |
| 09:45.37 | _agn_ | wait... |
| 09:45.41 | dutchfish | utrrrongeeb, http://www.nabble.com/update-problem-t3570534.html |
| 09:45.50 | psyco-obiwan | what is a performant filesystem for a lvm volume ? |
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| 09:46.17 | moka | is usbnet for 2.6.18 broken ? |
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| 09:46.49 | debiantonio | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 09:46.52 | _agn_ | streuner: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 09:46.56 | _agn_ | thats one |
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| 09:47.23 | streuner | _agn_: what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 09:47.26 | Ulixes | hello |
| 09:47.32 | _agn_ | its a p4 i think |
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| 09:47.41 | _agn_ | yeah..a P4 |
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| 09:48.44 | _agn_ | oh..i got back the LVM config window now.. |
| 09:49.06 | _agn_ | streuner: so what do you think ? Should i continue with the installation or remove the disk ? |
| 09:49.27 | streuner | _agn_: just install Debian and smartmontools |
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| 09:49.37 | _agn_ | and this is a server, so i don't want to take any risks |
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| 09:49.57 | streuner | _agn_: check out smartmontools and see more detailed infos about... |
| 09:49.58 | lodder_ | How can i resolve this error: /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory |
| 09:50.32 | streuner | _agn_: nah, Debian won't break your box, if you using a official kernel... |
| 09:50.39 | Hypn0tek | I need a Debian cd internet installer, and i haven't found an iso for etch |
| 09:50.59 | petemc | you must not have looked too hard |
| 09:51.00 | Ronin | Hypn0tek: did you look on www.debian.org in the getting debian link? |
| 09:51.02 | _agn_ | is there anyway, i can check the hdd before install ? |
| 09:51.19 | _agn_ | streuner: am using the default settings |
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| 09:51.40 | Hypn0tek | Ronin: yeah, but all that I found are torrents, and I'm in debian now I don't know how to use torrents |
| 09:52.02 | streuner | _agn_: iam not sure if 'grml' has smartmontools by default on the LIVE-CD |
| 09:52.09 | _agn_ | Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - auto relocate failed |
| 09:52.12 | petemc | Hypn0tek: apt-casearch torrent, pick a client.. |
| 09:52.15 | Hypn0tek | Ronin: I'm looking for a simple .iso file to download |
| 09:52.15 | petemc | gah |
| 09:52.21 | petemc | apt-cache search |
| 09:52.43 | dutchfish | lodder_, if the file realy doesnt exists or its permissions are set apropriate, touch /var/log/lastlog |
| 09:52.51 | lodder_ | dutchfish: k |
| 09:52.54 | Hypn0tek | petemc: xclient ? |
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| 09:53.35 | Ronin | Hypn0tek: yes www.debian.org |
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| 09:53.42 | petemc | Hypn0tek: there are graphical torrent clients, or terminal based ones |
| 09:54.23 | Hypn0tek | petemc: :) thx i've found bittornado |
| 09:54.35 | lodder_ | dutchfish: how can i create the wvar/log/wtmp€ |
| 09:54.45 | dutchfish | lodder_, you also might want to check your system on its log recycling |
| 09:55.05 | dutchfish | lodder_, thats a typo? |
| 09:55.42 | liable | isnt wtmp kernel stuff? |
| 09:55.54 | liable | voodoo |
| 09:55.58 | lodder_ | yes it's a typo /var/log/wtmp |
| 09:56.12 | streuner | _agn_: check out grml, they have smartmontools by default on there live-CD |
| 09:56.25 | dutchfish | lodder_, same procedure |
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| 09:57.02 | dutchfish | lodder_, however i am curieus how this happened |
| 09:57.13 | lodder_ | human error |
| 09:57.22 | dutchfish | lodder_, k, far enough |
| 09:57.51 | lodder_ | dutchfish: i restarted ssh do i need to restart anything else of it ? |
| 09:58.14 | dutchfish | lodder_, depends on whats normally running |
| 09:58.53 | Doat | when i run qemu it says "Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated". I have done modprobe kqemu. What's wrong? |
| 09:59.44 | dmil | Doat: compile kqemu? |
| 10:00.02 | Doat | isn't installing the debian package enough? |
| 10:00.02 | _agn_ | streuner: do you know if grml-small has smartmontools ? |
| 10:00.15 | dmil | Doat: you need module for your working kernel |
| 10:00.17 | tarzeau | _agn_: ask #grml guys? |
| 10:00.40 | _agn_ | tarzeau: what if he know about it ? |
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| 10:00.53 | Doat | demoan: i have installed kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 10:01.08 | demoan | Doat: but it's probably source of that module |
| 10:01.17 | demoan | look in /usr/src for tar package there |
| 10:01.22 | streuner | _agn_: http://grml.org/files/release-0.3-small/dpkg_list |
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| 10:01.33 | demoan | unpack, configure, compile, install and then try |
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| 10:01.40 | _agn_ | streuner: am going through it |
| 10:01.44 | _agn_ | seems like it has |
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| 10:01.51 | Doat | demoan: no tar there |
| 10:01.57 | demoan | Doat: but imho vmware is better |
| 10:02.39 | demoan | Doat: imho better thing to do is download vmware workstation, register it for month for free |
| 10:02.49 | Alarm | hello, could someone suggest me a good configuration for the font size/ font type for firefox in linux. somehow i tried several ones but i always the fonts are too small, or too big or not so readable |
| 10:03.01 | Doat | demoan: for one month only? i don't want to pay for it |
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| 10:03.23 | demoan | Doat: then install os on your virtual machine, after that you can uninstall vmware workstation and install vmware player for free..a nd just using that |
| 10:03.27 | demoan | for free |
| 10:03.27 | SaintN | Doat - I missed your question.... have you tried virtualbox? Its opensource virtual machines |
| 10:03.39 | tarzeau | Alarm: ask #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org ? |
| 10:03.40 | learnin9 | kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 is not good |
| 10:03.47 | Doat | SaintN: trying to use qemu but kqemu doesnt work |
| 10:03.47 | Alarm | okie :) |
| 10:03.59 | Doat | demoan: oh |
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| 10:04.04 | SaintN | Alarm - u do realise you can resize the fonts with your ctrl+wheel? |
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| 10:04.19 | learnin9 | modprobe kqemu,or compile the kqemu module |
| 10:04.26 | Alarm | i know that . with ctrl+ + -/+ |
| 10:04.31 | Doat | learnin9: i did modprobe kqemu and its in lsmod |
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| 10:04.34 | demoan | Doat: yes. vmware player is free. you can use virtual machine on that, but you cant install on player.. but like i said ;} it's free |
| 10:04.38 | Alarm | but i dont want to do that on every website |
| 10:05.02 | Doat | demoan: ok. i think i'll try that |
| 10:05.13 | learnin9 | Doat:yes,what's wrong when running the qemu |
| 10:05.16 | demoan | Doat: you're using vmware workstation (which isn't free) only for installing virtual machine |
| 10:05.26 | Doat | learnin9: it says it can't find /dev/kqemu |
| 10:05.26 | demoan | Doat: vmware.com |
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| 10:05.37 | Doat | demoan: yep i got it |
| 10:05.40 | SaintN | Doat - try virtualbox, its free forever :) |
| 10:05.41 | Doat | demoan: thanks |
| 10:05.51 | Doat | i'll go for vmware first |
| 10:05.53 | demoan | SaintN: vmware player too ;} |
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| 10:06.06 | tarzeau | does someone have a joost.com account? |
| 10:06.10 | SaintN | demoan - yes, but vbox lets u create machines :) |
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| 10:06.15 | learnin9 | I love CrossOver,a good tools |
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| 10:07.15 | dutchfish | why not use xen? |
| 10:07.45 | learnin9 | Doat:You should compile the kqemu and modporbe kqemu,try it |
| 10:07.50 | runatrain | do you guys laugh at noobies questions in here cause i got a doozy coming up |
| 10:08.11 | runatrain | i am sure you have herd worse tho |
| 10:08.16 | demoan | SaintN: vmware workstation too |
| 10:08.34 | SaintN | runatrain - we love them :) |
| 10:08.48 | demoan | how about vm's performance? |
| 10:08.53 | demoan | on vbox? |
| 10:09.09 | dutchfish | demoan, thats what i call the right question |
| 10:09.09 | SaintN | demoan - I feel that vbox is faster than vm workstation |
| 10:09.35 | SaintN | demoan - I dont have any stats for ya tho :) |
| 10:09.53 | demoan | SaintN: ! |
| 10:09.56 | runatrain | how do you burn the images i am agout to donwload, towork with nero |
| 10:10.01 | demoan | faster than vmware? |
| 10:10.04 | demoan | oO |
| 10:10.05 | learnin9 | SaintN: yes,vbox! |
| 10:10.12 | learnin9 | so faster |
| 10:10.17 | SaintN | :) |
| 10:10.22 | dutchfish | runatrain, nero -> burn image |
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| 10:10.40 | MementoMori | hi all |
| 10:10.52 | runatrain | i dindt think it was that simple |
| 10:10.58 | runatrain | hope i am wrong |
| 10:11.00 | SaintN | runatrain - Im not sure what you mean.... how to burn an iso file? Try gnomebaker |
| 10:11.12 | learnin9 | SaintN:but now i am using crossover!So cool! |
| 10:11.14 | dutchfish | runatrain, :) at least if you are not running ancient nero |
| 10:11.20 | runatrain | saint: no just basicly how to burn it right with nero |
| 10:11.21 | MementoMori | in which repository can I find cowpatty package? |
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| 10:12.11 | SaintN | MementoMori - deb http://midnightresearch.com/local/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:12.27 | learnin9 | SaintN:This is my desktop http://blog.chinaunix.net/photo/4631_070430145259.jpg |
| 10:12.38 | MementoMori | thank you SaintN |
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| 10:13.03 | liable | yeah, way to go, just add any old repo to your sources |
| 10:13.06 | SaintN | learnin9 - ARGH!!! Dont bring windows to linux!!! |
| 10:13.18 | SaintN | liable - dont hold me liable :) |
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| 10:14.26 | SaintN | MementoMori - hes right, u probly should just compile it from source |
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| 10:15.23 | MementoMori | Yes I think it's the better thing to do |
| 10:15.38 | dunno | Hi, how do I enable X11 forwarding, using gdm? Just Enable=ture in section [xdmcp] from the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf doesn't work, just seeing the gray X-Background but no login manager. |
| 10:16.38 | hachi | does anyone know how I was supposed to know that smbmount is old and basically unmaintained? |
| 10:16.46 | dutchfish | dunno, Enable=yes ! you also might want to read about Xnest Xephyr |
| 10:16.52 | SaintN | dunno - http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Remote_Login_via_XDMCP |
| 10:17.04 | learnin9 | \ |
| 10:17.24 | hachi | I just spent a good long time... an hour tonight, more earlier this weekend... and at the end I noticed that smbfs has just sorta gone to crap |
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| 10:19.11 | SaintN | hachi - samba isnt dead |
| 10:19.15 | bzed | hachi: i guess the smbfs developer is just pissed that CIFS is the way to go now |
| 10:19.16 | ma3x | how do I play monkey audio with xmms? |
| 10:19.16 | dutchfish | !crap |
| 10:19.17 | dpkg | well, crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 10:19.23 | bzed | SaintN: but smbfs is |
| 10:19.32 | hachi | I didn't say samba is dead, don't misread my lines |
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| 10:20.11 | Doat | demoan: trying to install vmware workstation: The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 10:20.11 | hachi | https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1920 |
| 10:20.14 | Doat | your running kernel |
| 10:20.22 | dutchfish | hachi, (i am not a fan of samba) but it is better then ever before atm |
| 10:20.32 | Doat | demoan: seems that the script fails to find the kernel version |
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| 10:21.12 | hachi | I didn't say samba is dead, smbfs is dead... I even plugged the link |
| 10:21.17 | hachi | please don't misread my lines |
| 10:21.19 | SaintN | hachi - thanks for the link. |
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| 10:22.08 | SaintN | hachi - "bugs related to smbfs and 2.6 |
| 10:22.09 | SaintN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.09 | SaintN | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.12 | SaintN | woops |
| 10:22.22 | demoan | Doat: you need to have /usr/src/`uname -r`-headers |
| 10:22.53 | Doat | demoan: i did. it still cant find the version |
| 10:22.54 | demoan | Doat: you need to have kernel headers for your running kernel |
| 10:23.09 | demoan | Doat: then install different with headers |
| 10:23.19 | Doat | demoan: it thinks the version is "@@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE |
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| 10:23.30 | demoan | Doat: .. no? |
| 10:23.43 | demoan | it is not |
| 10:23.53 | Doat | demoan: it does. the script is borked |
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| 10:24.04 | wols_ | !tell Doat about vmware |
| 10:24.09 | demoan | vmware like kqemu.. needs to have headers/source of your running kernel to make modules for your kernel.. that's all |
| 10:24.14 | GuHHH | anyone here ever installed xgl on debian sucessfully? |
| 10:24.29 | Doat | demoan: i have the headers |
| 10:24.48 | Doat | wols_: ok sorry |
| 10:25.12 | Doat | i'll try virtualbox. cba to play guru with vmware |
| 10:25.18 | demoan | Doat: they need to be matched with your running kenrel |
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| 10:25.42 | demoan | .. i bet virtual box will need the same.. |
| 10:25.45 | demoan | nvm. |
| 10:25.49 | Doat | demoan: they do! the script fails to find the version number. only shows @@ gibberish |
| 10:26.04 | demoan | SaintN: oh, and virtualbox is a little bit slower than vmware ;} |
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| 10:26.11 | lampyris | hello |
| 10:26.22 | SaintN | Doat - Dont blame the script.... im sure if it was broke, then everyone woulda complained and it would now be fixed :) |
| 10:26.24 | demoan | Doat: do as i said.. |
| 10:26.32 | demoan | SaintN: agreed ;} |
| 10:26.34 | SaintN | demoan - Noooooo... I was hoping vbox would be :) |
| 10:27.01 | demoan | SaintN: 107s on virtualbox, 101s on vmware ;} |
| 10:27.11 | demoan | not a big difference.. but.. ;} |
| 10:27.11 | SaintN | demoan - I bet ya both are faster than ms virtual pc :) |
| 10:27.25 | demoan | SaintN: ;D yeah |
| 10:28.00 | SaintN | demoan - I bet ya MS are researching vbox in their labs right now :) |
| 10:28.00 | Doat | demoan: demoan i have linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 installed. uname -r is 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 10:28.20 | demoan | Doat: so it should work |
| 10:28.28 | Doat | demoan: and it doesnt :) |
| 10:28.33 | demoan | Doat: chech out if... (moment) |
| 10:28.44 | SaintN | Doat - so u should download the vmware sources from another location |
| 10:28.56 | lampyris | i can't install ubuntu theme (human) on debian... i have downloaded theme from gnome-look.org but it doesn't work :( |
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| 10:29.19 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 10:29.19 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 10:29.24 | demoan | Doat: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source and ./build are pointing for that dir with headers |
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| 10:29.28 | SaintN | lampyris - then you are lucky, I hate the ubuntu themes :) |
| 10:29.38 | demoan | lampyris: /j #ubuntu |
| 10:29.59 | demoan | SaintN: me either ;} |
| 10:30.03 | lampyris | SaintN, :) i don't like ubuntu, but its theme is nice for me |
| 10:30.22 | demoan | too sandy imho |
| 10:30.47 | SaintN | lampyris - I like fluxbox more than gnome anyways :) <-------- minimalist |
| 10:31.10 | Xires | how well would Debian/Etch run with X(XFCE as WM) run on an AMD K6-2 @ 533 MHz w/ 128 MBs PC-133 SDRAM? |
| 10:31.12 | Xires | decently?? |
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| 10:31.21 | lampyris | demoan, human-blue isn't sandy |
| 10:31.31 | tarzeau | Xires: it'd run |
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| 10:31.50 | Doat | demoan: yea. /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 and vmware install script doesnt accept it |
| 10:31.51 | tarzeau | Xires: as long as you don't run openoffice and/or mozilla software it's fine |
| 10:31.53 | lampyris | SaintN, xfce is nice too :) |
| 10:31.54 | SaintN | Xires - yes, decently |
| 10:32.34 | dutchfish | Xires, 128 mb is not much for any graphical desktop |
| 10:32.35 | Xires | thanks much |
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| 10:32.52 | tarzeau | dutchfish: that's not true |
| 10:33.10 | Xires | tarzeau; nah..I'll probably run 'dillo' as the x-www-browser and use geany..that's about the extent of it, likely |
| 10:33.11 | tarzeau | dutchfish: openstep is graphical, and it run perfect w/ 8mb, it runs fantastic w/ 32mb. X is not everything |
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| 10:33.19 | tarzeau | Xires: know about links2 -g? |
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| 10:33.28 | dutchfish | tarzeau, ok thats true (thinking of X) |
| 10:33.35 | Xires | tarzeau; yes, I prefer dillo personally |
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| 10:34.11 | Xires | oh..can anyone tell me how to get the twin package from Sarge to run on Etch? |
| 10:34.41 | tarzeau | Xires: doesn't etch have a twin package? |
| 10:34.49 | Doat | demoan: The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match your running kernel (version 2.6.18-4-k7). Even if the module were the module were to compile successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 10:35.12 | Xires | tarzeau; appears to have disappeared |
| 10:35.14 | demoan | Doat: it means you have something wrong with that headers |
| 10:35.38 | tarzeau | Xires: true, sid has it again: http://packages.debian.org/twin |
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| 10:36.31 | SaintN | Doat - a quick google turned up numerous results, please search urself |
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| 10:37.25 | ma3x | how do I play .ape files? |
| 10:37.39 | Xires | tarzeau; that's good to know..but I don't know how to use packages from different releases..can you point me to a quick doc on it? |
| 10:37.46 | SaintN | ma3x - with a gorilla :) |
| 10:38.26 | ma3x | SaintN, shut up |
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| 10:39.59 | Xires | that was kinda humorous though |
| 10:40.16 | SaintN | ma3x - is it an audio file or a winamp avi? if its audio use vlc |
| 10:40.44 | ma3x | SaintN, it's monkeys audio |
| 10:40.44 | tarzeau | !simple sid backport |
| 10:40.44 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 10:40.46 | tarzeau | Xires: that was for you |
| 10:40.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: what says file the.ape ? |
| 10:40.47 | Xires | tarzeau; tyvm |
| 10:40.47 | SaintN | ma3x - then go to monkeysaudio.com and read |
| 10:40.47 | ma3x | CDImage.ape: Monkey's Audio compressed format version 3990 with high compression, stereo, sample rate 44100 |
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| 10:40.47 | riffic | http://digg.com/software/Pidgin_IM_The_Final_Beta wow cool |
| 10:40.49 | ma3x | vlc wont play it |
| 10:40.58 | ma3x | amarok, xmms niether |
| 10:41.12 | tarzeau | ma3x: ask the #ocp guy to support it? |
| 10:41.59 | Doat | demoan: ok i downloaded a patch and it installs |
| 10:42.15 | SaintN | ma3x - http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_ape_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux |
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| 10:42.29 | SaintN | ma3x - its amazing what google knows hey :) |
| 10:42.39 | SaintN | ma3x - maybe try using it some time :P |
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| 10:42.41 | gholm | is there anyway to see what driver I'm using to access my SATA drive? |
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| 10:42.50 | ma3x | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac-port/ does not exist anymore |
| 10:42.53 | nmee | I installed etch while it was in testing, do I have to do anything other than "apt-get dist-upgrade" to get the dist up-to-speed? (to etch stable) |
| 10:43.17 | SaintN | ma3x - argh... that sucks |
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| 10:43.46 | SaintN | nmee - ur /etc/apt/sources.list still point to testing, u need to change that to stable |
| 10:43.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | is this factoid out of date? |
| 10:43.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | !quake |
| 10:43.52 | dpkg | [quake] one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
| 10:44.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I mean the facotid about quake |
| 10:44.31 | Trewas | ma3x: probably easiest to convert the .ape files in windows to some sane format like flac |
| 10:45.12 | ma3x | Trewas, do you like windows? |
| 10:45.29 | Trewas | ma3x: no, I don't like monkey's audio either :) |
| 10:45.51 | ma3x | that's right baby |
| 10:46.03 | nmee | SaintN: ah, thanks :) |
| 10:46.04 | SaintN | ma3x -u could try this: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Convert-3104.shtml |
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| 10:46.22 | geirola | hey..where can I get help on getting tv-out to work? I use Debian 4.0 and I have a xfx Geforce 6800GS card.. |
| 10:46.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Where can I download quake? is there a how-to to install it in debian? |
| 10:47.11 | nmee | SaintN: I have "deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ etch main" in my sources.list - should I change this? if so, what to? |
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| 10:47.34 | riffic | http://digg.com/software/Pidgin_IM_The_Final_Beta |
| 10:47.39 | riffic | about time this got released |
| 10:47.53 | Crypticfortune | so, i have vnc installed on my workstation (far away right now), but it only starts when i log into gnome. how can i start a vnc server pointed at the gdm screen remotely? (or alternatively, any other ways to log myself in remotely?) |
| 10:48.01 | SaintN | nmee - cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:48.25 | nmee | SaintN: 4.0 |
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| 10:48.47 | SaintN | nmee - sounds like ur stable to me :) |
| 10:49.19 | SaintN | gtg, time to stop thinking linux :) |
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| 10:52.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, Where can I download quake? is there a how-to to install it in debian? |
| 10:53.14 | [Nige] | is anyone use internode as an ISP? |
| 10:53.25 | Vyrus001 | has anybody else had problems running 6.2.21? ive compiled it countless times now from venilla sources and im still getting errs on boot about ext3 not being found and "cat/bin: ***/sda/dev not being available"? |
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| 10:54.16 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 10:54.36 | ttl- | can i use a wireless bluetooth headset with debian ? |
| 10:54.49 | Vyrus001 | u mean like the cellphone ones ? |
| 10:55.01 | ttl- | Vyrus001: yes |
| 10:55.09 | ttl- | to use for VOIP |
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| 10:55.23 | Vyrus001 | i would assume so, but ive never done it myself so |
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| 10:55.55 | Betzefer | sup ? |
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| 10:56.06 | kairu0 | yo |
| 10:56.15 | ttl- | Vyrus001: i searched with google and found there should be a driver for alsa |
| 10:56.29 | Vyrus001 | ttl-, ahh.. u have alsa installed ? |
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| 10:57.12 | ttl- | Vyrus001: yes |
| 10:57.26 | ttl- | Vyrus001: I have alsa-base installed i believe |
| 10:57.38 | Vyrus001 | ttl-, have u run alsaconf yet ? |
| 10:58.00 | ttl- | Vyrus001: No, i will do now |
| 10:58.02 | _agn_ | streuner: using grml to test hdd now |
| 10:58.10 | Vyrus001 | ttl-, make sure the headset is on and in range first |
| 10:58.19 | cahoot | ttl-: http://www.linux.ie/articles/bluetoothheadset.php |
| 10:58.24 | geirola | where can I get help on getting tv-out to work? I use Debian 4.0 and I have a xfx Geforce 6800GS card...anyone know? |
| 10:58.26 | _agn_ | i sarted a long test on /dev/sda |
| 10:59.19 | ttl- | Vyrus001: k |
| 10:59.26 | ttl- | cahoot: thanks |
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| 11:00.45 | Betzefer | any 1 knows a good free virtualiztion i can use in debian 4 ? |
| 11:00.55 | cahoot | geirola: I suspect google will turn up quite a few howtos |
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| 11:01.17 | archville | Betzefer, Virtualbox, Qemu, VmWare... |
| 11:01.33 | Betzefer | vmware isnt free |
| 11:01.41 | Betzefer | u got any qemu how tos? |
| 11:01.46 | scx | not the workstation |
| 11:01.48 | archville | Not free as in freedom. |
| 11:01.56 | archville | But free of charge, at least the server version. |
| 11:02.06 | scx | and not opensource |
| 11:02.21 | archville | However, Qemu and Virtualbox are. |
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| 11:02.42 | iKernel | j #nvidia |
| 11:03.33 | klikklak | is everyone else who was running testing experiencing frequent crashes now? (I really should have been running names, like etch, but I didn't) |
| 11:03.56 | iKernel | yep |
| 11:04.01 | bzed | klikklak: no, works fine for me |
| 11:04.18 | klikklak | bzed: oh, but etch was frozen, wasnt' it? |
| 11:04.24 | bzed | Betzefer: xen? |
| 11:04.43 | _agn_ | streuner: i get logging not supported when tryoing to view test report, any ideas ? |
| 11:04.44 | iKernel | on a server arrary, one of the arrays I had debian testing on it, and the hard drive melted and there was smoking coming out of the cpu |
| 11:04.53 | iKernel | the rest were running stable |
| 11:05.00 | bzed | klikklak: sure, before it was released to make sure only bugfixes can go in |
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| 11:05.32 | iKernel | only kidding |
| 11:05.47 | klikklak | bzed: so etch==stable or is it still testing? ... |
| 11:05.53 | Eclipser | stable |
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| 11:05.59 | bzed | klikklak: etch is stablesince a few weeks |
| 11:06.38 | klikklak | bzed: ok. like I thought. I really wish I'd be able to isolate this bug that keeps locking the whole machine frequently |
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| 11:07.22 | bzed | klikklak: it's a hardware error often |
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| 11:07.38 | klikklak | I've tried all different combinations of programs, but the only unifying thing is X, and due to nvidia drivers messing virtual consoles I can't run the machine without X |
| 11:07.58 | klikklak | bzed: you think? |
| 11:08.04 | bzed | klikklak: the nvidia drivers don;t mess with the consoles normaly |
| 11:08.35 | bzed | klikklak: is it a very new machine? like core2duo? |
| 11:08.39 | klikklak | bzed: they did that to me after 9629 (that one worked ok), |
| 11:08.59 | klikklak | bzed: no it's a few years old athlon 2500+ |
| 11:09.01 | bzed | klikklak: the one which is in unstable now works well for me |
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| 11:09.53 | iKernel | I go to install ONE package, subersion, and like 70+ packages need to be removed |
| 11:09.59 | iKernel | subversion* |
| 11:10.09 | iKernel | this is what happens when you install fresh debian i guess |
| 11:10.18 | Hypn0tek | the installation of a Debian Etch is blocked on an ibritich config at 85% |
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| 11:11.00 | Hypn0tek | and searching on the internet about ibritich... it seems that google dont have anything about "ibritich" |
| 11:11.26 | iKernel | Hypn0tek, pick up the machine, throw it across your room and try again |
| 11:11.28 | iKernel | lol, no |
| 11:11.34 | iKernel | check if the CD is c lean Hypn0tek |
| 11:11.50 | themill | Hypn0tek: ibritish |
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| 11:12.32 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: can i eject it without problem ? |
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| 11:13.14 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i am using debian and i'm trying to find the html root for squirrelmail i cant find it in var\www\ how would i find it |
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| 11:13.32 | tarzeau | k1ckn1ck: /etc/squirrel* ? |
| 11:13.35 | cahoot | get the slashe right |
| 11:13.40 | tarzeau | k1ckn1ck: it sure can be/is preconfigured? |
| 11:13.53 | k1ckn1ck | sorry |
| 11:14.18 | artagnon | Which HTML parser can I pipe HTML data I recover from a site using curl? |
| 11:14.19 | k1ckn1ck | it is preconfigured i just dont know where i want to edit the html/php files |
| 11:14.34 | tarzeau | k1ckn1ck: check the config files? |
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| 11:14.50 | tarzeau | k1ckn1ck: dpkg -L squirrelmail will give you a list |
| 11:14.54 | wols_ | k1ckn1ck: dpkg -L squirrelmail |
| 11:15.02 | wols_ | it's under /usr/share |
| 11:15.12 | Decepticon | dpkg -l squirrelmail |
| 11:15.12 | dpkg | ii squirrelmail 3.5-2 decepticon's private gamp collection |
| 11:15.23 | wols_ | and to make it accessible via http you need to symlink it to /var/www/ |
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| 11:15.36 | tarzeau | wols_: and have a webserver follow symlinks |
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| 11:16.10 | lewis | I am trying to import a database dump from MySQL 4 to MySQL 5. This is the error that I get for one table creation. Any ideas? http://pastebin.ca/465470 |
| 11:16.16 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: .... ? |
| 11:16.25 | iKernel | oh |
| 11:16.26 | iKernel | sorry |
| 11:16.31 | iKernel | erm, sure, should work |
| 11:16.43 | scx | !holy |
| 11:16.58 | wols_ | lewis: I'd edit PRIMARY KEY ( `id` , `id` ) |
| 11:17.04 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: the eject dont work :( |
| 11:17.12 | lewis | wols_: to what? |
| 11:17.31 | iKernel | Hypn0tek, get a pin and shove it through the litte hole, that's the emergancy realease |
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| 11:17.34 | lewis | PRIMAY KEY ( `id` ) ? |
| 11:17.35 | wols_ | remove a duplicate, what else? |
| 11:17.36 | artagnon | Which browser can I pipe HTML data I recover from a site using curl? |
| 11:17.56 | kairu0 | lewis, assuming id isnt an external key, that should be fine |
| 11:18.08 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: i'm in the terminal there is no eject function ? |
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| 11:18.39 | wols_ | Hypn0tek: apt-cache show eject |
| 11:18.44 | lewis | why would the MySQL 4 dump have created that? |
| 11:18.58 | iKernel | Hypn0tek, dunno, either press the button or emergency release or do what wols_ said |
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| 11:19.30 | iKernel | this is totally borked |
| 11:19.38 | kairu0 | lewis, trying to be verbose i suppose? |
| 11:19.51 | iKernel | so glad I am installing suse tomorrow at work (work experiance 2 weeks) on this laptop |
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| 11:20.31 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: I'm in BusyBox there is no apt-cache |
| 11:20.37 | lewis | kairu0: hmm ok |
| 11:20.58 | lewis | well, it works. thank you. |
| 11:21.07 | kairu0 | lewis, 4 -> 5 was a big transition |
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| 11:22.03 | lewis | well, if I just had to edit one line in the .sql, then that wasn't too bad |
| 11:22.11 | Hypn0tek | iKernel: sorry but do you know what is this ibritish ? |
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| 11:22.27 | kairu0 | lewis, yeah, could have been worse |
| 11:22.44 | wols_ | Hypn0tek: apt-cache show ibritish |
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| 11:23.59 | Hypn0tek | wols_: no package found |
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| 11:24.18 | wols_ | !tell Hypn0tek about search |
| 11:24.34 | geirola | aaah..this is driving me crazy |
| 11:24.45 | geirola | has anyone managed to get tv out working with an nvidia card? |
| 11:24.59 | wols_ | Hypn0tek: and fix your sources.list or apt-get update |
| 11:25.06 | x_link | I wonder why "xrandr" shows 134Hz in refresh rate. The Refresh Rate in Control Center also says 134Hz. That happens when I change the Refresh Rate in nvidia-settings to 85Hz |
| 11:26.03 | wols_ | !tell geirola about anyone |
| 11:26.03 | geirola | oh my god.. |
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| 11:27.32 | geirola | I'm trying to find a suitable way to rephrase that question, wols..since using the word "anyone" obviously is wrong. |
| 11:28.06 | wols_ | not necessarily, but most of the time it is |
| 11:28.16 | wols_ | describe your problem more precisely and in detail instead |
| 11:28.33 | geirola | how about: I need help setting up nvidia and tv-out. I can't get my xorg.conf setup correctly. |
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| 11:28.45 | wols_ | some sort of I was doingx,y,z and it gave me foo instead of bar" |
| 11:28.46 | wols_ | or such |
| 11:28.49 | geirola | I have the svideo cable connected |
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| 11:30.29 | geirola | It's hard for me to describe this very much in-depth, as I'm having trouble understanding how this works. Only thing I realize is that xorg.conf needs a magical touch |
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| 11:30.38 | klikklak | damn, nvidia from unstable would like to have a newer libc. that's not really the kind of trouble I'm looking for |
| 11:30.43 | wols_ | there are error message? |
| 11:30.49 | wols_ | there are logs, config files, etc? |
| 11:30.51 | aeshyamae | hda:lost interrupt on debian etch????? |
| 11:31.22 | aeshyamae | i installed and boot the debian etch for the first time and it said hda:lost interrput |
| 11:31.28 | geirola | i've just reconfigured xorg.conf to get it back to scratch |
| 11:31.36 | geirola | i'll see if i can reproduce the warnings i was getting |
| 11:31.39 | aeshyamae | hda:DMA interrupt recovery |
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| 11:32.19 | wols_ | geirola: haev you googled for a howto? |
| 11:32.30 | indraveni | hi |
| 11:32.43 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 11:32.47 | indraveni | which debian package will give me spawn command |
| 11:32.57 | indraveni | how can I find out? |
| 11:33.09 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, Where can I download quake? is there a how-to to install it in debian? |
| 11:33.18 | kairu0 | indraveni, search package contents at packages.debian.org |
| 11:33.18 | abrotman | !tell indraveni about search |
| 11:34.04 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: you cannot. you can download the quake engine and games/engines based on quake |
| 11:34.16 | wols_ | the original quake maps/levels are not free |
| 11:34.28 | Alarm | is there any way , when i do apt-get install kdet.. and then by pressing 'tab' to see the names of the backages listed with kdet* ? for example kdetv in that case |
| 11:34.30 | geirola | wols_ I've googled a lot yes..read everything i can find on the subject |
| 11:34.32 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, but wheres is the official site? |
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| 11:34.46 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: idgames.com obviously |
| 11:34.52 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-h.html |
| 11:35.02 | Alarm | as it is with the directories /et+tab/ap+tab... and so on, to be able to do that with repo files while installing/removing |
| 11:35.26 | wols_ | Alarm: unpossible |
| 11:35.35 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: google ? |
| 11:35.40 | Alarm | hehe ok :) |
| 11:35.41 | wols_ | well, maybe with bash completion |
| 11:35.42 | indraveni | kairu0, apt-cache search will search the packages related to the name I give |
| 11:35.44 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, what does nvidia has to do with quake? |
| 11:35.46 | abrotman | !tell indraveni about search |
| 11:35.53 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: sry. was for geirola |
| 11:36.03 | abrotman | indraveni: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search spawn |
| 11:36.04 | wols_ | geirola: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/README/appendix-h.html |
| 11:36.26 | JarJarBinks|meta | Alarm: works with zsh completion |
| 11:36.26 | Alarm | JarJarBinks|meta, what does that mean ? :) |
| 11:36.33 | wols_ | JarJarBinks|meta: what IS ssh completion? |
| 11:36.56 | JarJarBinks|meta | Alarm: autocompletion for apt-get install kde<TAB><TAB> |
| 11:37.08 | abrotman | JarJarBinks|meta: that's a bit different than ssh completion |
| 11:37.08 | geirola | wols: i tend to avoid cryptic guides like that, but I'll see if i can figure it out. Thank you. |
| 11:37.15 | Alarm | and how does this work ? is that a package that i need to install ? |
| 11:37.17 | JarJarBinks|meta | wols_: actually also works with scp foo@bim.com:.zsh<TAB><TAB> |
| 11:37.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | abrotman, I found this site ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/ but I dont what to download in order to install quake in linux |
| 11:37.27 | JarJarBinks|meta | Alarm: install the and use the zsh shell |
| 11:37.39 | JarJarBinks|meta | and install it's completion functions... and join #zsh |
| 11:37.51 | wols_ | JarJarBinks|meta: maybe you should learn what ssh is and what a shell is? |
| 11:37.51 | Alarm | okie , thank you a lot |
| 11:37.57 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: then read some stuff .. i don't play PC games |
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| 11:38.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | :( |
| 11:38.33 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: I told you, you can't since the maps,levels, etc are not released under GPL |
| 11:38.38 | wols_ | you have to PAY to play quake |
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| 11:38.50 | JarJarBinks|meta | wols_: why do you keep talking about a shell, I mean zsh, which is a shell, you n**b :) and it was apt-get he asked about, which I never said was a shell |
| 11:38.54 | tarzeau | any old computer fans? http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/vcfe2007/ |
| 11:38.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, ooh |
| 11:39.14 | indraveni | I installed apt-file and did apt-file update, but apt-file search spawn is not showing me any output |
| 11:39.19 | wols_ | JarJarBinks|meta: don't call anyone a noob.l please don't |
| 11:39.26 | JarJarBinks|meta | sorry mate |
| 11:39.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, I heard that the code was released |
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| 11:39.37 | abrotman | JarJarBinks|meta: you can get that with bash |
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| 11:39.44 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: the quake engine was yes. the sourcecode. maps are not sourcecode |
| 11:39.51 | JarJarBinks|meta | but telling someone to learn hwhat a shell is is almost the same :) |
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| 11:40.11 | abrotman | Alarm: you can do what you're asking with bash and zsh |
| 11:40.24 | Alarm | i use bash |
| 11:40.34 | JarJarBinks|meta | then change to zsh :) |
| 11:40.40 | Alarm | heheh |
| 11:40.44 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:40.47 | JarJarBinks|meta | I'm sure bash can do it too... but I don't use it |
| 11:40.55 | abrotman | JarJarBinks|meta: there's no reason he needs to change |
| 11:41.07 | wols_ | JarJarBinks|meta: both your statements contained grave erroers. and the first one displayed that you don#t understand what a shell is, unless the bit about ssh was a typo. and it seems you odn't know what program does the completion either. hint: it's not apt-get |
| 11:41.08 | JarJarBinks|meta | holy war begun |
| 11:41.10 | Sebboh | Can someone recommend a vector based drawing application? ..Like CorelDraw for Windows, from ten years ago.. =) |
| 11:41.12 | Alarm | well doesnt work for me in bash |
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| 11:41.24 | wols_ | Sebboh: inkscape I think |
| 11:41.25 | klikklak | Sebboh: inkscape |
| 11:41.29 | abrotman | Sebboh: inkscape and sodipodi |
| 11:41.36 | abrotman | and scribus kind of |
| 11:41.44 | klikklak | abrotman: I thought inkscape was sodipodi renamed |
| 11:41.54 | abrotman | klikklak: i think it branched |
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| 11:42.04 | abrotman | klikklak: though sodipodi might be dead .. dunno |
| 11:42.12 | wols_ | JarJarBinks|meta: misread about ssh/zush, sorry |
| 11:42.16 | wols_ | -u |
| 11:42.20 | aeshyama1 | hai all |
| 11:42.25 | duki | Hello all |
| 11:42.37 | aeshyama1 | i have a boot up problem with etch |
| 11:42.38 | JarJarBinks|meta | no prob wols_ |
| 11:42.48 | abrotman | wols_: hit him again! .. he is jarjar! |
| 11:43.04 | Sebboh | nice, thanks guys n gals! |
| 11:43.12 | wols_ | abrotman: can't. his ears may retaliate and then we'd all be dead |
| 11:43.29 | klikklak | abrotman: it's kind of funny that this is the first time I see someone with that nick and it's been _years_ since that movie |
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| 11:43.47 | abrotman | klikklak: he's had it a while |
| 11:43.50 | JarJarBinks|meta | yeah |
| 11:43.59 | Alarm | thats the command finally: source /etc/bash_completion |
| 11:44.17 | Alarm | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Apt-get |
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| 11:44.50 | duki | I am trying to compile the dsdt.dsl table. I resolved somme errors and warnings, but I still one warning: dsdt.dsl 20: Name (_T00, 0x00) Warning 1097 - ^ Unknown reserved name (_T00). Is there anybody who had the same error on asus a6tc laptop? |
| 11:44.55 | duki | thanks |
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| 11:45.13 | abrotman | Alarm: i thought you knew about /etc/bash_completion .. sorry :) |
| 11:45.27 | blerk | anyone have the same problem as me with the package "libapache2-mod-defensible" as soon as its enabled instead of just blocking RBL users, its blocking everybody |
| 11:45.31 | Alarm | not really :) |
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| 11:48.37 | nescius | i am sorry for asking again, but is there a place with 'old' iso images? |
| 11:49.00 | HymnToLife | nescius, how old ? |
| 11:49.20 | nescius | like 3, or 3.1rc6 |
| 11:50.00 | nescius | i really dont want to use debian 4rc0 on a server |
| 11:50.27 | nescius | but i've lost my old instalation cd |
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| 11:53.02 | cusco | why not use debian 4 in a server? |
| 11:53.17 | cusco | why use old-stable? |
| 11:54.22 | Gnea | !oldstable |
| 11:54.22 | dpkg | it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. |
| 11:54.25 | js_ | nescius: yeah, i wouldnt use an rc either as the final version is released |
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| 11:56.10 | nescius | cusco, i need a special enviorment for our projects, its much easier to keep it synchronised alltogether |
| 11:56.38 | cusco | nescius: so...? |
| 11:56.56 | nescius | so i am asking you for sarge iso images.. |
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| 11:57.35 | cusco | that doesn't make sense |
| 11:57.44 | nescius | surre |
| 11:58.00 | cusco | http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
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| 11:59.22 | nescius | cusco, it does, we are using one very ugly framework for some of our customers and it needs special versions of packages in order to work. |
| 11:59.28 | nescius | thank you |
| 11:59.51 | abrotman | nescius: yeah ..y ou can find them |
| 11:59.57 | hark | not everyone has upgraded to sarge yet.. it's not unusual |
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| 12:00.39 | hark | wait for etch SP1!!! |
| 12:01.09 | abrotman | be really nice if they'd update the jigdo templates to work correctly |
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| 12:01.39 | abrotman | nescius: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | nescius: that's r4 though .. not r6 |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | nescius: you could use the jigdo templates .. though you might have to edit them |
| 12:02.03 | nescius | hark, hey, i was talking about real stuff, those project simply dont work with newer packages so i have to work with those |
| 12:02.20 | hark | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:02.31 | nescius | abrotman, cusco found something allready, but thank you |
| 12:02.46 | hark | nescius: you have a year until support runs out ;p |
| 12:03.06 | nescius | hark, i am the support.. |
| 12:03.50 | nescius | and i dont suppose that i can stand it more than a year in my current position (i hate debian ;~) |
| 12:04.10 | nescius | no, you are doing great, thank you very much |
| 12:05.13 | Gnea | !oldstable |
| 12:05.14 | dpkg | oldstable is, like, the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r6a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:05.27 | Gnea | nescius: what don't you like about debian? |
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| 12:05.59 | satchmo | !testing |
| 12:06.00 | dpkg | i heard testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 12:06.08 | satchmo | !unstable |
| 12:06.09 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 12:06.19 | liable | dpkg oldstable =~s/Woody/Sarge/ |
| 12:06.33 | Gnea | liable: why? |
| 12:06.36 | liable | bah, i can never remeber the right syntax |
| 12:06.44 | Gnea | don't bother, i had it set right |
| 12:06.53 | Gnea | you just have to *READ* it ;) |
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| 12:07.20 | liable | Gnea: your right, now i read it twice, but the first time it didnt seem right. |
| 12:07.42 | Gnea | liable: hehehe i was wondering how long it would take for someone to trip over that :) |
| 12:08.13 | Gnea | !potato |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | i guess potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 12:08.19 | Gnea | !hamm |
| 12:08.20 | dpkg | [hamm] Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 12:08.26 | hark | !slink->sid |
| 12:08.35 | Gnea | !slink |
| 12:08.36 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 12:08.57 | Gnea | !slink->potato |
| 12:08.57 | dpkg | Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all occurences of "slink" with "potato", then, because the non-US structure has changed in potato, ask me about "non-us", then just apt-get update && apt-get install apt && apt-get dist-upgrade, and voila! but SPARC users must upgrade to a 2.2.x kernel first |
| 12:08.57 | hark | oh, yeah i removed that one ;) |
| 12:09.12 | Gnea | heh, just reformat it ;) |
| 12:09.24 | hark | !when will bo be done |
| 12:09.32 | hark | !when will potato be done |
| 12:09.32 | dpkg | potato will be done when it's done. |
| 12:09.35 | azeem | hark: please /msg the bot |
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| 12:10.04 | Muisje | hark /join #irdc |
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| 12:10.18 | hark | no, enough for now :) |
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| 12:10.56 | Gnea | hrm |
| 12:11.00 | nescius | Gnea, well, something unpleasant in this channel, for example capital title this isnt ubuntu stuff (i rather go to centos to ask a debian question and nobody screams at me there for that), unexistance of older images was also my problem lately, i was also somewhat confused by apt-get as so famous package manager, i really think that there are better ones, but thats just because i never used anydebian distro for more than few hours before |
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| 12:11.32 | E-bola | Do anybody know of a pop3 connector for linux? Meaning a util that will download mail from a pop3 server and via smtp send it to another server |
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| 12:11.53 | Muisje | pretty much any mail client would do that E-bola? |
| 12:11.59 | formorer | fetchmail? |
| 12:12.09 | E-bola | im looking for something simpler than fetchmail |
| 12:12.13 | nescius | or any piping system |
| 12:12.18 | formorer | fetchmail is simple |
| 12:12.19 | E-bola | like something more along the lines of a windows pop3 connector |
| 12:12.30 | nescius | i meant netcat |
| 12:12.41 | Muisje | formorer if you have no idea what you are doing, fetchmail can be a pain in the ass though |
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| 12:12.57 | hark | E-bola: there's getmail |
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| 12:13.06 | formorer | Muisje: if you have no idea what you are doing, everything can be a pain in the ass |
| 12:13.12 | Muisje | :) |
| 12:13.18 | Gnea | nescius: well, the whole ubuntu thing is 100% justified - after all, if someone said that you were in charge of making sure that packages installed on a debian production server were not causing conflicts with other packages, would you seriously go out of your way to install a package from ubuntu, which likely has files that are not consistant with debian and configuration files that point to files that don't exist in debian, in debian |
| 12:14.15 | liable | you got cut off |
| 12:14.23 | Gnea | where? |
| 12:14.26 | nescius | Gnea, surre, but i was speaking about attitude, not about a reasons for that |
| 12:14.30 | liable | at , in debian |
| 12:14.44 | Muisje | nescius, no package manager beats aptitude, caus aptitude got special cow power |
| 12:15.04 | hark | nescius: and there are mirrors of the older releases too (via archives), so that shouldn't matter |
| 12:15.06 | Gnea | nescius: keep in mind that this is irc, it's just like email - you can't really read attitudes correctly over it unless you know that person IRL |
| 12:15.14 | Muisje | nescius try apt-get moo |
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| 12:15.33 | sandman | WHat happened to the aalib x server? |
| 12:15.42 | Gnea | nescius: what you consider a bad attitude maybe an a good attitude |
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| 12:16.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I'm Peruvian, in my country we speak spanish but I like to use my OS in english, how can I set up all my system in english but keeping also my country' preferences, like monetary, etc ? |
| 12:16.29 | Gnea | nescius: and i've never talked to you before, so obviously the problem was from someone else... maybe they were having a bad day |
| 12:16.56 | Gnea | nescius: but i can understand and empathise about bad attitudes |
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| 12:17.05 | klikklak | would it be LANG=en ? |
| 12:17.22 | nescius | hark, i was looking for cds not for repositories, those are very good indeed, but i needed to install something older, and every other distro i've used have their older isos in repositories as well |
| 12:17.37 | Muisje | nescius www.debian.org |
| 12:17.43 | Gnea | gonzaloaf_laptop: not sure... we're mostly english here, have you tried asking in a spanish channel yet? |
| 12:17.50 | Gnea | !es |
| 12:17.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:17.51 | Muisje | i believe you can get up to sarge 3.1 or even older there |
| 12:18.12 | xoz | !tell nescius -about search |
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| 12:18.12 | Gnea | gonzaloaf_laptop: we do get some spanish users here too |
| 12:18.19 | sandman | Is there a way to get xorg to run using aalib? |
| 12:18.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | Gnea, let's generalize the question... just think as language 1 and language2, it should be the same for any case |
| 12:18.24 | sandman | So it's X, but aalib |
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| 12:18.53 | Gnea | gonzaloaf_laptop: well, i've never had a use for british pounds :) |
| 12:18.55 | nescius | xoz, that was i meant by the attitude :) |
| 12:19.11 | mutlumusun127 | privat |
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| 12:19.24 | Gnea | nescius: that's not necessarily a bad attitude, as it is more ignorance :) |
| 12:19.27 | mutlumusun127 | türk |
| 12:20.22 | xoz | nescius: being lazy and not resourceful deserves to be discouraged from being *pampered* |
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| 12:21.01 | Gnea | xoz: what is so 'pampering' about telling someone where older cd images are at? |
| 12:21.18 | xoz | Gnea: can't google help him? |
| 12:21.23 | Gnea | xoz: obviously you've never worked in a real computer support department. |
| 12:21.34 | Gnea | xoz: why does #debian exist in the first place? |
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| 12:22.07 | Gnea | xoz: because putting full reliance on google is just passing the buck instead of taking responsibility. |
| 12:22.10 | Gnea | right. |
| 12:22.37 | xoz | Gnea: haven't you read the tips about asking help? |
| 12:22.45 | azeem | xoz: what's your problem? |
| 12:22.57 | Gnea | xoz: haven't you learned how to think for yourself? |
| 12:23.04 | darrh00 | why totem-xine no sound with esd but mplayer with ao=esd works fine.?I have installed libesd-alsa0,Have I missed anything library related to esd? |
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| 12:23.14 | Gnea | and on that note |
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| 12:23.57 | xoz | azeem: none. just trying to point out about being resourceful. is that a problem? |
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| 12:24.15 | JarJarBinks|meta | is there a way to reverse output of a command such as: svn log file.foo (somewhat similar to sort -r just without having a sorted input) |
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| 12:24.32 | azeem | xoz: doing handwaving towards google isn't being "resourceful" unless you can prove that there are valid hits with trivial search terms |
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| 12:24.50 | azeem | JarJarBinks|meta: | tac maybe |
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| 12:25.33 | xoz | oh well |
| 12:25.36 | JarJarBinks|meta | azeem: naughty ... thanks |
| 12:26.16 | Gnea | d'oh! |
| 12:26.49 | Muisje | yay |
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| 12:26.53 | Muisje | niven left the building |
| 12:26.58 | Gnea | nescius: well, i was about to update the bot but it just split out... anyway, there are woody isos still: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/ |
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| 12:27.18 | Gnea | not sure about potato/slink/ham |
| 12:27.21 | Gnea | hamm* |
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| 12:28.06 | azeem | !hi |
| 12:28.17 | Muisje | Welcome back niven people |
| 12:28.28 | nescius | thanks, i ve found them on debian.org in faq > older versions, then looking on directory structure and i ve finally found them all! :) |
| 12:28.29 | Gnea | lag still |
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| 12:28.40 | daqqal | hey guys whats new |
| 12:28.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I run dpkg-reconfigure locales and chose en_US.ISO-8859-1 but in my /etc/environment file is still en_US.UTF-8, why? |
| 12:29.26 | Gnea | nescius: right on. sorry for the bad attitude there, it used to be really bad but we've been getting better :} |
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| 12:29.52 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: it's your repsonsiblity to maintain /etc/environment after the installation I think |
| 12:29.59 | azeem | no package should mess with it, AFAIK |
| 12:30.05 | daqqal | i installed netinstall, barebones, i want to compile a kernel, i installed gcc, make and binutils, i think i am missing ncurses, anyone know which one i need search shoes me many of them |
| 12:30.10 | mithro | is there a way to check that all my packages match the etch versions? |
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| 12:30.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, what does dpkg-reconfigure locales do then? |
| 12:30.52 | nescius | Gnea, never mind, debian is not bad distribution, especially good for servers, and thats what matters :) and anyway i am quite badass myself |
| 12:30.54 | Gnea | daqqal: libncurses5-dev, iirc |
| 12:31.06 | daqqal | Gnea: thanx there |
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| 12:32.02 | torrr | how do I burn CDs? |
| 12:32.14 | Gnea | torrr: apt-get install k3b |
| 12:33.44 | Muisje | torrr, it's quite easy, you take a cd and a lighter, make a light and keep the cd on top. |
| 12:34.08 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: it configures the set of available locales, AFAIK |
| 12:34.08 | Gnea | Muisje: i prefer the microwave method |
| 12:34.17 | Muisje | Gnea hehe :) |
| 12:34.21 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: don't you use gdm or so to login? |
| 12:34.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, arent they located in the environment file? |
| 12:34.31 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: no? |
| 12:34.51 | nescius | i like my cds more crispy |
| 12:34.51 | Gnea | better visual effects :) |
| 12:34.56 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: the environment file has stuff which should be in the default shell environment for all users |
| 12:35.06 | gonzaloaf_laptop | azeem, yep gdm, but it shows me just 3 languages... I want to use ISO-8859-1 encoding |
| 12:35.36 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: did you restart it since you ran dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 12:35.44 | Muisje | How do you disable a cd or haddrive from ever being read again? Hold a magnet on top of it. |
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| 12:35.59 | azeem | gonzaloaf_laptop: gdm should indeed show all locales you configured there, that's what dpkg-reconfigure is mainly for |
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| 12:37.33 | jetscreamer | geirola: http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian look at the metamodes and others |
| 12:38.40 | torrr | Gnea is this KDE's program... (I am using gnome) |
| 12:38.52 | x_link | Hi! |
| 12:39.02 | x_link | a off-topic question. |
| 12:39.27 | jetscreamer | torrr: so? |
| 12:39.27 | x_link | But if I want to have 2 computers (with access to www). Can I do that without a hub/switch/router? |
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| 12:39.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't matter |
| 12:39.46 | x_link | If I have 2 networkscards in one of the machines and one networkcard in the other, wouldn't that work? |
| 12:39.57 | Muisje | x_link no, you need to have them both connected to either WAN or LAN |
| 12:39.57 | torrr | jetscreamer, So I need to install all the kde base and other stuff... should I? |
| 12:39.58 | jetscreamer | yes a linux box can do nat |
| 12:40.30 | Gnea | torrr: it can still run, it just needs libraries |
| 12:40.30 | Muisje | Or directly connected with a cross-over cable |
| 12:40.30 | jetscreamer | torrr: i do |
| 12:40.31 | jetscreamer | torrr: up2u |
| 12:40.31 | x_link | Muisje: Okej. |
| 12:40.31 | x_link | Muisje: So I can't do like I just said? |
| 12:40.48 | torrr | jetscreamer, OK I'll try can't do no harm right? |
| 12:40.48 | Muisje | I doubt it, but you could always give it a try. |
| 12:40.53 | Gnea | x_link: you CAN, you just need to use a special ethernet cable |
| 12:40.56 | x_link | I had a "LAN" with a friend along time ago, and what I remember he did it like that. |
| 12:40.57 | jetscreamer | torrr: you don't need all of kde just what k3b needs |
| 12:41.03 | x_link | Gnea: Okej. |
| 12:41.12 | jetscreamer | torrr: use aptitude so if you uninstall it... |
| 12:41.15 | jetscreamer | it all will |
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| 12:41.27 | torrr | jetscreamer, I used synaptic it found about 10 things I need |
| 12:41.31 | x_link | It's easier/better to get a switch. |
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| 12:41.39 | x_link | Just need a 4-ports switch. |
| 12:41.43 | Muisje | x_link the best way is probably getting a switch |
| 12:41.49 | x_link | Muisje: Yeah. |
| 12:42.01 | x_link | Muisje: Cause I will have 3-4 computers here within 2 months. |
| 12:42.01 | jetscreamer | you might look at getting a switch... |
| 12:42.03 | monra | hello guys... |
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| 12:42.14 | Muisje | x_link then buy an 8 port switch |
| 12:42.22 | x_link | Muisje: Why 8? |
| 12:42.22 | Muisje | they aren't that expensive, like 10 or 20 bucks. |
| 12:42.28 | x_link | Okej. |
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| 12:42.32 | Muisje | Because you will always have enough ports available then. |
| 12:42.36 | monra | I cannot see any java applets in my Firefox here in Debian Sarge 3.1... Has anyone any idea what should i write in apt-get install in order to see java applets? |
| 12:42.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what encoding should I use? UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1? |
| 12:42.42 | x_link | Muisje: Well yeah, that's true. |
| 12:42.42 | Muisje | Else you might have to buy another switch in 2 months. |
| 12:42.53 | x_link | Muisje: But I'm not sure I will have 4 computers. |
| 12:43.03 | x_link | But I will have 2 machines for sure. |
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| 12:43.17 | Muisje | Could be 5 or 3, be sure and just get yourself an 8 port switch. |
| 12:43.22 | monra | any ideas would be much aprreciated |
| 12:43.35 | Gnea | ~java |
| 12:43.50 | apt | methinks java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
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| 12:43.51 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 12:43.51 | Gnea | ugh |
| 12:43.51 | Muisje | monra try asking in firefox? |
| 12:43.55 | Gnea | lol |
| 12:43.58 | jetscreamer | a simple router is better than a switch btw |
| 12:43.59 | abrotman | oh yeah .. a bit out of date |
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| 12:44.15 | hark | %java |
| 12:44.16 | badgers | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 12:44.19 | jetscreamer | esp when you are looking at more clients |
| 12:44.28 | Muisje | jetscreamer if you can run a switch full duplex mode you do not NEED to worry about collision domains jetscreamer |
| 12:44.36 | monra | Muisje, it's now only firefox but all my browsers cannot see java apllets... if i try to see i got a Download thing to downlaod a .JNP file |
| 12:44.56 | Gnea | %install java |
| 12:44.57 | badgers | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or ... |
| 12:45.00 | Muisje | did you install java? |
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| 12:45.25 | Muisje | + Doesn't firefox comes up with it's own java plugin? |
| 12:45.39 | jetscreamer | not 'comes with it' |
| 12:45.50 | monra | no |
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| 12:46.00 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search java |
| 12:46.05 | hark | for windows, it downloads the jre for you afaik |
| 12:46.06 | Gnea | Muisje: no |
| 12:46.07 | monra | i haven't install it... i try %install java but nothing |
| 12:46.22 | Gnea | %java-package |
| 12:46.22 | badgers | i heard java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the ... |
| 12:46.24 | hark | you'll have to use java-pakage |
| 12:46.32 | Gnea | monra: read what badgers is saying |
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| 12:46.41 | azeem | isn't java-package obsolete? |
| 12:46.50 | ohmbr | is there a way to come back a version that was upgrade? |
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| 12:46.54 | Gnea | in sarge? |
| 12:46.56 | hark | not for sarge |
| 12:46.59 | azeem | oh my |
| 12:46.59 | jetscreamer | !find sun-java |
| 12:47.01 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'sun-java' (15 of 16): sun-java5-bin ;; sun-java5-demo ;; sun-java5-doc ;; sun-java5-fonts ;; sun-java5-jdk ;; sun-java5-jre ;; sun-java5-plugin ;; sun-java5-source ;; sun-java6-bin ;; sun-java6-demo ;; sun-java6-doc ;; sun-java6-fonts ;; sun-java6-jdk ;; sun-java6-jre ;; sun-java6-plugin. |
| 12:47.02 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 12:47.08 | jetscreamer | !find sun-java etch |
| 12:47.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sun-java' (4 of 10): (/usr/share/doc/sun-java5-plugin) in non-free/web/sun-java5-plugin ;; (/usr/share/doc/sun-java5-source) in non-free/devel/sun-java5-source ;; (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/sun-java5-java.desktop) in x11/app-install-data ;; (/usr/share/doc/sun-java5-fonts, /etc/defoma/hints/sun-java5-fonts.hints) in non-free/x11/sun-java5-fonts. |
| 12:47.27 | Gnea | !find sun-java sarge |
| 12:47.40 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 12:47.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sun-java' (1): (/usr/share/java/{com-sun-javadoc-0.7.3.jar|com-sun-javadoc.jar}) in devel/gjdoc. |
| 12:47.44 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 12:48.28 | hark | and get v5, not sure if java-package is compatible with 6 yet |
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| 12:49.51 | Gnea | !woody |
| 12:49.51 | dpkg | methinks woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30, or but the ISO repository still exists: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/ |
| 12:49.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello how can I set up the spell check in OOo in many languages? i just have english enabled |
| 12:50.10 | jetscreamer | s/previous/previous\ previous/ |
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| 12:51.33 | ohmbr | is there a way to come back a version of a lib that was upgrade? |
| 12:51.57 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: you've got the dictionaries installed? |
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| 12:51.59 | torrr | OK I installed k3b |
| 12:52.00 | geirola | automatic login doesn't work anymore..i managed to connect my TV and it's running beautifully now, but i need it to automatically login...any tips on what i can check? |
| 12:52.23 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, what pkg is it? |
| 12:52.23 | monra | i was just asking what should i write in apt-get install (here)? |
| 12:52.39 | jetscreamer | geirola: if you use kdm or gdm you can configure them in their respecive controlpanel applet things |
| 12:52.42 | torrr | I choose an iso to burn but there is no "Burning Device" and start is grayed out |
| 12:52.45 | jetscreamer | to do that |
| 12:52.49 | hark | gonzaloaf_laptop: apt-cache search openoffice dictionary (myspell-* iirc) |
| 12:52.56 | jetscreamer | torrr: do k3b-setup |
| 12:52.59 | jetscreamer | in the menu |
| 12:53.22 | hark | ohmbr: downgrades are unpredictably (/msg dpkg downgrade), but you can try |
| 12:53.30 | monra | any ideas? |
| 12:53.38 | hark | s/y/e/ |
| 12:53.47 | jetscreamer | torrr: you might have to run it from an xterm not sure |
| 12:53.48 | hark | monra: /msg dpkg install java |
| 12:53.49 | geirola | jetscreamer: i have turned it on in the gui thing..but it doesn't work. It worked before i setup the dual screen thing. Can xorg.conf-modifications stop automatic login in any way? |
| 12:54.28 | jetscreamer | geirola: not usually, but if you're sure that's all you did... |
| 12:54.29 | monra | monra msg command not found |
| 12:54.38 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg |
| 12:54.50 | hark | !tell monra -about install java |
| 12:54.57 | hark | monra: it's the bot :) |
| 12:54.58 | monra | debian:/home/monra# /msg dpkg install java |
| 12:55.05 | monra | bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 12:55.25 | ohmbr | hark: ok... tks.. |
| 12:55.47 | jetscreamer | monra: in the irc client |
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| 12:56.10 | jetscreamer | you know... here. |
| 12:56.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hark, I got it, thanks |
| 12:58.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | what dictionary does wordtrans use? |
| 12:58.11 | hark | monra: sarge doesn't have sun java in it's repositories IIRC (it's only in etch and above).. so you have to follow the whole java-package procedure |
| 12:58.39 | torrr | jetscreamer, there is no k3b-setup 'command not found' however there is a configure menu with posiblity to add devices, I tried /dev/cdrom didn't work |
| 12:58.56 | monra | k |
| 12:59.03 | monra | thanks |
| 12:59.13 | torrr | looking fstab |
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| 13:00.37 | torrr | tried what I found in fstab didn't work either |
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| 13:01.55 | Ryushin | Two things, I just apt-get update for sid, and I got a new version of gnome-settings-daemon that is failing to start due to a dbus problem, 2nd is there a way to make ice-weasel not depend on gnome-settings-daemon for it's fonts? |
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| 13:04.04 | torrr | nautilus however found that I have inserted a blank CD and offered me to create a new data or music cd no disk image though |
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| 13:19.15 | torrr | can anyone help me to add device to k3b? |
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| 13:20.34 | sandman | Is there a better alternative to VNC? |
| 13:20.40 | sandman | rdesktop seems to support more features |
| 13:20.57 | sandman | Something like that would be nice... bitmap caching, grayscale support, things like that |
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| 13:21.21 | Dewi | sandman: rdesktop is microsoft protocol. And yes, it does beat the hell out of VNC, unfortunately |
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| 13:21.55 | formorer | NX should also be mentioned |
| 13:21.56 | _agn_ | how do i configure keyboard layout after installation ? |
| 13:21.56 | petemc | and nx is better than rdp |
| 13:22.09 | jetscreamer | wtf is k3bsetup |
| 13:22.12 | jetscreamer | where |
| 13:22.38 | Sebboh | dude there's xml that defines what my svg image looks like? To heck with this drawing thing, I'm better at typing than clicking. =) |
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| 13:23.43 | jetscreamer | :( k3bsetup is simply a shell script that calls kdesu to run k3bsetup2, however k3bsetup2 does not exist and is no where even in the package. ... |
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| 13:24.36 | _agn_ | its prints ~ when i press | |
| 13:24.40 | _agn_ | any ideas ? |
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| 13:26.41 | Gnea | !keymap |
| 13:26.41 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 13:27.15 | hark | " Stop building k3bsetup since K3b should be working out of the box on Debian, otherwise it's a bug that needs to be fixed, not worked around with a utility." |
| 13:27.20 | hark | jetscreamer: ^ |
| 13:27.35 | hark | (from the changelog) |
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| 13:29.48 | uwe | hello, how can i know what options the debian kernel is built with ? |
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| 13:30.30 | chop1 | uwe: linux-headers-xx.y.z should have the config.h in it |
| 13:30.33 | amphi | uwe: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) perhaps |
| 13:30.53 | uwe | thank you very much chop1 , amphi |
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| 13:31.59 | uwe | i suppose its /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-amd64/.config |
| 13:32.08 | Alarm | hey once more. i suddnely got a problem with mount. yesterday i managed to set up every partition and be able to mount it. today i tried to plug my external usb drive and it tells me that i dont got permitions on it. on the other ntfs partitions i can enter without any problem. in the fstab i got the same options . Here is an internal partition: /dev/hdc6 /media/win4 ntfs auto,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 . And here the settings for the |
| 13:32.08 | Alarm | external /dev/sda1 /media/win5 ntfs auto,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 0 |
| 13:32.24 | _agn_ | any got a good xorg.config for radeon 200 ? |
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| 13:32.47 | _agn_ | the default installation give only 800x600 |
| 13:32.53 | _agn_ | i need 1024x768 |
| 13:33.02 | uwe | Alarm, sda1 is the usb i suppose ? |
| 13:33.07 | Alarm | yes |
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| 13:33.36 | uwe | i think there is an option in mount called user, that allows normal users to do the mounting |
| 13:34.12 | uwe | but i also believe that in newer debian releases, the devices are mountable by default by all users in group disk, without having entries in fstab |
| 13:34.13 | Alarm | well, the point is why can i mount as a simpler user the other ntfs with the same options in the fstab |
| 13:34.25 | Alarm | i use debian etch |
| 13:35.01 | uwe | i suppose this is the case in debian etch too, i _think_ that simply the mount operation doesnt consult the fstab for pluggable media |
| 13:35.06 | uwe | ie, usb, cdrom ...etc |
| 13:35.17 | Alarm | and how did i manage to mount it yesterday ? :) |
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| 13:35.29 | uwe | oh, the same usb disk ? |
| 13:35.30 | Alarm | i didnt change anything at all since yesterday hehe |
| 13:35.33 | Alarm | yeap |
| 13:35.47 | uwe | well, you didnt use the mount command yesterday ? |
| 13:35.48 | Alarm | i was setting all the partitions to be mountable, and did the same with the usb drive also and it worked |
| 13:35.52 | patrikf | Alarm: are you using one of the "big" desktop environments (KDE, GNOME)? |
| 13:35.58 | tarzeau | you can use gnome-volume-manager to have it automounted |
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| 13:36.04 | tarzeau | (without using kde or gnome) |
| 13:36.06 | Alarm | after i saved the fstab yesterday, not anymore |
| 13:36.08 | Alarm | patrikf, kde |
| 13:36.15 | tarzeau | run it in .xsession for example |
| 13:36.36 | uwe | i actually see no reason for having an entry in the fstab for the usb ... |
| 13:36.42 | patrikf | Alarm: try removing (or commenting) your fstab entries for the disk, and add your user to the group "plugdev" (ask if you don't know how to) |
| 13:36.47 | uwe | im not an expret , though |
| 13:36.54 | tarzeau | uwe: ack, you're right |
| 13:37.02 | tarzeau | uwe: i wouldn't change fstab for usb storage either |
| 13:37.05 | Alarm | i dont know how :) |
| 13:37.15 | patrikf | Alarm: commenting out is clear? |
| 13:37.20 | Justin | putting usb devices in fstab will not work very well if you put /dev/sdxx |
| 13:37.22 | Alarm | sure |
| 13:37.24 | uwe | Alarm, edit /etc/group ... i suppose |
| 13:37.24 | Alarm | i did that allready |
| 13:37.38 | Justin | as soon as the kernel assigns it a different device or you plug in another usb drive it will completely break |
| 13:38.02 | patrikf | Alarm: sudo usermod -a -G plugdev [your non-root username] |
| 13:38.03 | Alarm | so i uncomment it |
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| 13:38.24 | uwe | yeah ... maybe this time the kernel assigned sdb instead of sda for the device ! |
| 13:38.47 | Alarm | sudo ? |
| 13:38.49 | plutonas | !aolify plutonas |
| 13:38.54 | Alarm | bash: sudo: command not found |
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| 13:39.03 | patrikf | Alarm: er, however you run commands as root then :) |
| 13:39.32 | plutonas | what exactly does this aolify thing do? |
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| 13:39.37 | Alarm | ok done that also |
| 13:39.51 | patrikf | Alarm: relogin for the group changes to take effect, then try plugging your disk in |
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| 13:40.14 | Alarm | okie. |
| 13:40.21 | Alarm | any other changes that should be made ? |
| 13:40.32 | patrikf | don't think so |
| 13:40.56 | Alarm | ok |
| 13:40.58 | Alarm | moment :) |
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| 13:42.31 | _agn_ | whats a good src for surces.list |
| 13:42.38 | _agn_ | *sources.lst |
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| 13:42.49 | Alarm | didnt work |
| 13:43.08 | tarzeau | _agn_: i like mine, but it's sid, telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 13:43.10 | Alarm | hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000 t |
| 13:43.13 | patrikf | Alarm: what happens when you type "pmount /dev/sda1" (sda1 replaced with your disk) in the console? |
| 13:43.14 | Alarm | thats the message i gaid |
| 13:43.29 | patrikf | Alarm: (as non-root) |
| 13:43.34 | Alarm | oh like that i dont get any messege at all |
| 13:43.42 | chop1 | _agn_: http.us.debian.org, where "us" is your country code |
| 13:43.45 | Alarm | and yes like that its being mounted |
| 13:43.58 | patrikf | Alarm: it should be mounted in /media |
| 13:44.06 | Alarm | will i have to pmount every time i turn on my disk ? |
| 13:44.25 | patrikf | Alarm: no, but at least its partly working now :) |
| 13:44.36 | Alarm | yes it is |
| 13:44.43 | Alarm | thank you a lot :) |
| 13:44.50 | patrikf | I actually don't know how KDE handles pluggable devices, anybody? |
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| 13:45.56 | Alarm | but still i cant explain why yesterday it worked and not anymore today |
| 13:45.57 | _agn_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.36 | Ronin | _agn_: yes |
| 13:46.46 | _agn_ | ok thanx |
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| 13:51.06 | killerstorm | helo. after i did some network configurations smbfs is not mounting disks on boot. but when i log in, mount -a mounts them. what can be a possible cause of this issue? |
| 13:51.28 | killerstorm | can it be connected with removing /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs ? |
| 13:52.30 | killerstorm | if i'd like to restore occasionally deleted mountnfs, how do i find which package was it in? |
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| 13:53.49 | patrikf | killerstorm: dpkg-query -S [full path of file] |
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| 13:57.25 | Joui | Hi, what is the wat to start in single mode using grub? |
| 13:58.05 | azeem | Joui: usually, the Debian kernel packages configure a "(single user)" grub option for each kernel |
| 13:59.06 | liable | or add init=/bin/sh to you kernel line |
| 13:59.19 | uwe | or pass 1 ... i think |
| 13:59.29 | Joui | thanks people :) |
| 13:59.38 | liable | yep, 1 or single |
| 13:59.59 | petemc | you would need to press "e" to get the option to do that.. |
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| 14:00.30 | liable | of course.. |
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| 14:01.09 | delire | if you haven't already: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211 ;) |
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| 14:02.02 | killerstorm | thanks, i've restored this file (mountnfs)! btw it says "Also mounts SMB filesystems now, so the name of this script is getting increasingly inaccurate". no wonder i was confused :) |
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| 14:08.07 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:08.38 | Mazingaro | please does anyone know if it is possible to know cpu temperature on sparc architecture? |
| 14:08.49 | liable | my god, the first paragraph of that article makes me want to throw up |
| 14:09.06 | delire | hehe |
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| 14:11.01 | geirola | Im having a problem with VNC. Or..a luxury problem i guess that is. I'm using VNC to connect to my server which is connected to the TV. When I play videos on the remote server it gets played beautifully, but it gets very laggy on the local machine of course. Is it possible to deny VNC to play videos in any way? |
| 14:11.24 | geirola | I'd like it to stop transferring the video to the local machine |
| 14:11.35 | geirola | and just play it on the remote machine |
| 14:11.47 | geirola | it could just display a black window where the video's supposed to be here.. |
| 14:12.10 | vin` | Mazingaro: using acpi? |
| 14:12.14 | petemc | geirola: you could ssh to the box, change the display variable and use mplayer// |
| 14:12.42 | geirola | like..mplayer --display :0 movie.avi ? |
| 14:12.57 | petemc | that, or export it.. |
| 14:13.03 | geirola | how would i do that? |
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| 14:13.14 | petemc | export DISPLAY=0.1 |
| 14:13.32 | geirola | what will that do..in human terms?:) |
| 14:13.54 | petemc | change where it thinks the display is |
| 14:14.27 | petemc | you'll need to adjust that, obv - 0.1 was what i used in the past for the s-video output of a nvidia card.. |
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| 14:15.15 | omri | what can I do if I accidentally deleted /usr/bin ??? |
| 14:15.39 | omri | is this recoverable? |
| 14:17.39 | xoz | omri: reinstall is faster if you want to avoid hassles |
| 14:17.43 | uwe | omri, not really |
| 14:18.00 | omri | I can't reinstall it |
| 14:18.08 | omri | it's a production server, bah :( |
| 14:18.17 | omri | my boss will kill me |
| 14:18.54 | uwe | install another system, and copy content to /usr/bin, or try if you find tool to recover files, wont be easy i suppose |
| 14:19.25 | uwe | oh ... you should be already dead by now omri :) |
| 14:19.38 | omri | it's a 64 bit installation, I don't have any other 64bit box |
| 14:19.56 | omri | uwe, I don't even have wget! :\ |
| 14:20.20 | uwe | well, /usr/bin has most of the stuff ... so ... ouch |
| 14:20.33 | omri | yes, I see that now! :\ |
| 14:20.37 | uwe | whats the filing system on that partion |
| 14:20.38 | Mazingaro | omri: got a good coffin |
| 14:20.39 | omri | damnti I'm screwed! |
| 14:20.49 | omri | very funny... |
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| 14:21.09 | xoz | omri: /msg dpkg reinstall.... install to a new computer and copy /usr/bin |
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| 14:21.24 | omri | xoz, I don't have another system like this one |
| 14:21.27 | omri | it's a 64bit system |
| 14:22.00 | xoz | !fire omri |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | I'm sorry, omri, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 14:22.02 | xoz | hehe |
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| 14:22.12 | delire | hehe |
| 14:22.12 | omri | what do I do? how am I transfering files when there's no ftp,scp,wget ? |
| 14:22.31 | delire | dd and netcat |
| 14:22.57 | uwe | well, when you decide to copy files, youll probably try to do it from a live cd or something similar |
| 14:23.07 | geirola | petemc: sorry for nagging about this..but i could use a little guidance..i didn't quite understand it |
| 14:23.22 | xoz | omri: yeah, livecd |
| 14:23.22 | geirola | what is 0.1 ? and how can i find my equivalents+ |
| 14:23.24 | Trewas | geirola: playing videos that way is pretty much impossible (if I understood correctly, running mplayer etc on a remote computer and showing the video on local), even a measly normal DVD takes about 30MB/s of bandwidth that way |
| 14:23.31 | omri | I can't get to the box, I'm not there |
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| 14:23.45 | omri | I have netcat and dd |
| 14:23.46 | geirola | trewas: i want it pretty much the other way around :) |
| 14:23.54 | uwe | according to http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html, Q: How can I recover (undelete) deleted files from my ext3 partition? A:Actually, you can't! |
| 14:23.54 | geirola | i want to play on the remote computer and NOT on the local ;) |
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| 14:24.03 | RedACE | When are they going to fix the cdrom driver problem on netinst in etch? |
| 14:24.28 | omri | delire, can you help me out with dd and netcat please? |
| 14:24.31 | uwe | the only thing you can do is look into row data on the disk , which is defenetly useless in your case |
| 14:24.53 | Trewas | geirola: ah, I guess then it should work if you get the DISPLAY magic correctly :) uncompressed video over network would be a problem |
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| 14:25.03 | delire | omri: i was actually joking, but surely it's possible. |
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| 14:26.03 | delire | in a parallel universe.. |
| 14:26.03 | omri | can you please stop making fun of me? |
| 14:26.03 | omri | I'm in serious trouble here. |
| 14:26.03 | delire | omri: do as uwe suggests, just use a live CD. |
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| 14:26.03 | omri | I'm not there and I can't get there soon |
| 14:26.04 | geirola | Trewas: yea..and it is a problem now..takes way too much bandwidth off my wlan when videos i try to play on the remote computer has to be sent to the local computer constantly |
| 14:26.04 | delire | omri: i'm not poking fun. sorry if it came across that way. |
| 14:26.04 | geirola | shouldnt be neccessary |
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| 14:26.04 | geirola | but i don't really understand how to get the export magic working ;) |
| 14:26.04 | delire | omri: just use a live CD and scp the data to another machine.. |
| 14:26.08 | seshomaru1234 | can anyone recommend an application that allows me to copy music files from a Cd to my hard disc |
| 14:26.23 | uwe | unless you get your hands on another 64 bit machine, it will be a little hard, of course you can do the following ... get every single package for a 64 bit that you need, extract it , copy files that should go into /usr/bin manually |
| 14:26.24 | Mazingaro | omri: have you got faith? |
| 14:26.33 | omri | no |
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| 14:27.03 | omri | can any1 help me transfer a file using netcat? |
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| 14:27.52 | uwe | omri, try to get the package that has lets say wget, extract it manually, and put the file on a floppy and get data on the remote machine |
| 14:28.06 | omri | can't can't can't |
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| 14:28.12 | omri | I don't have physical access to that machine |
| 14:28.21 | uwe | omri, do you have ssh still working ? |
| 14:28.21 | omri | I have netcat and dd there |
| 14:28.41 | omri | yes |
| 14:28.41 | omri | but no scp though |
| 14:28.41 | uwe | i mean can you do new ssh |
| 14:28.41 | omri | yes. |
| 14:28.41 | geirola | i tried your export petemc, and you're right...didn't work well here ;) what could be my screens? |
| 14:28.43 | uwe | well, initiate the ssh from another machine |
| 14:28.45 | tonyb2006 | your ssh server doesn't have sftp/scp? |
| 14:28.52 | uwe | i dont think you really need scp on the destination |
| 14:29.00 | omri | I do |
| 14:29.02 | omri | look |
| 14:29.04 | wols_ | you only need a ssh server on the destination |
| 14:29.27 | omri | bash: scp: command not found |
| 14:29.27 | omri | lost connection |
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| 14:29.47 | wols_ | install scp on the _local_ machine |
| 14:29.53 | wols_ | the remote only needs sshd |
| 14:30.07 | omri | I have it |
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| 14:30.13 | omri | it's saying it about the remote maching, look |
| 14:30.25 | uwe | hmm .. ok |
| 14:30.31 | uwe | you dont have tar or anything, right |
| 14:30.35 | omri | blue:~# scp -r /usr/bin root@gold.live4all.co.il:/usr |
| 14:30.35 | omri | root@gold.live4all.co.il's password: |
| 14:30.35 | omri | bash: scp: command not found |
| 14:30.35 | omri | lost connection |
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| 14:30.36 | seshomaru1234 | anyone has any experience with an application called 'burn'? |
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| 14:30.44 | tarzeau | seshomaru1234: to test CPU? |
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| 14:30.49 | omri | sorry about that. |
| 14:30.56 | wols_ | omri: is sshd running on the remote server? |
| 14:31.00 | omri | yes |
| 14:31.06 | wols_ | then that's all you need |
| 14:31.09 | seshomaru1234 | tarzeau, nope, to burn/copy cds CLI style |
| 14:31.13 | omri | you see the output.... |
| 14:31.17 | uwe | put stuff on std |
| 14:31.21 | omri | it needs the scp command on the target machine as well |
| 14:31.24 | uwe | out |
| 14:31.26 | tarzeau | seshomaru1234: yeah there's a package |
| 14:31.27 | wols_ | omri: I don't care about your "output" which doesn't give me ANY info |
| 14:31.46 | wols_ | all I know is: with scp on your local machine and a running sshd on the remote you can transfer files |
| 14:31.57 | seshomaru1234 | tarzeau, read the man ,but still can't figure it out . |
| 14:32.00 | omri | wols_, you CANT. |
| 14:32.04 | omri | that's a fact. |
| 14:32.07 | delire | omri: actually, i don't think it's possible to use netcat.. in a parallel universe you'd do something like 'netcat -l > /path/to/some/fs' on the machine you want to receive data onto and on the other: netcat dd if=/dev/hdaN bs=1M | netcat ip-of-other-machine etc.. but where would the data go when it gets there i don't know.. |
| 14:32.07 | xoz | omri: look into /var/lib/dpkg/info; grep -i '/usr/bin/' *.list to get the lists of packages with /usr/bin programs installed |
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| 14:32.53 | wols_ | omri: is the remote box a debian machine? |
| 14:33.01 | omri | wols_, yes |
| 14:33.01 | delire | omri: oops.. i meant dd if=/dev/hdaN bs=1M | netcat ip-of-other-machine not netcat dd if=/dev/hdaN bs=1M | netcat ip-of-other-machine |
| 14:33.14 | uwe | omri, try this out ... |
| 14:33.15 | wols_ | omri: then you are wrong. scp will work if you can ssh to the remote machine |
| 14:33.16 | uwe | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/UNIX_Computing_Security/Data_security |
| 14:33.20 | seshomaru1234 | tarzeau, when i ran ' burn -C' i get an error saying no blanc Cd even though this command is supposed to copy.... |
| 14:33.27 | omri | wols_, how come it doesn't? |
| 14:33.28 | uwe | try something similar to tar czf - someDir | ssh user@domain tar -C somDirToExtractTo xzf - |
| 14:33.40 | tarzeau | seshomaru1234: dunno, i've never used it. i use cdrecord |
| 14:33.51 | uwe | but i still belive wols_ is rightm, i never tried it, but i think hes right |
| 14:33.57 | seshomaru1234 | tarzeau, it's graphic? |
| 14:34.03 | wols_ | omri: scp might not be enabled in your sshd_config |
| 14:34.04 | tarzeau | seshomaru1234: no, commandline |
| 14:34.10 | omri | wols_, used it 10000 times |
| 14:34.31 | delire | omri: if you have ssh on the broken machine can't you ssh into the other machine and reverse scp data back over? |
| 14:34.32 | seshomaru1234 | tarzeau, i'll check it out . thanks |
| 14:34.50 | omri | delire, how? |
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| 14:35.12 | xoz | omri: or you can try rsync from your local machine |
| 14:35.20 | delire | xoz: that's a good idea too |
| 14:35.20 | omri | tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options |
| 14:35.25 | wols_ | omri: check if that's in sshd_config: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 14:35.29 | delire | omri: you have sshd on the broken machine? |
| 14:35.30 | wols_ | and check that file exists |
| 14:35.34 | omri | delire, yup |
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| 14:35.50 | delire | omri: well then ssh into the other machine and secure copy data onto the broken machine no? |
| 14:35.55 | uwe | omri, i mean use the idea there, not neccesserly the same command |
| 14:36.02 | omri | delire, no scp |
| 14:36.14 | omri | just a second |
| 14:36.16 | delire | omri: but you don't need scp on the broken machine to scp to it. |
| 14:36.18 | delire | just sshd |
| 14:36.23 | dhivo | I just did 'hdparm -tT /dev/hda' with this result : Timing cached reads: 932 MB in 2.00 seconds = 465.77 MB/sec | Timing buffered disk reads: 172 MB in 3.01 seconds = 57.12 MB/sec . Are those acceptable numbers for an average webserver ? |
| 14:36.30 | omri | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 14:36.35 | xoz | omri: i think it is possible but it is a pain in the ass. you have to check which packages install progs in /usr/bin, extract them and send them to remote. |
| 14:36.38 | omri | delire, apperantly you do |
| 14:36.42 | wols_ | dhivo: acceptable for a IDE/SATA harddisk, yes |
| 14:36.48 | delire | omri: well i don't have to here at all. |
| 14:36.53 | wols_ | omri: does the file exist? |
| 14:36.55 | dhivo | its ide indeed, thnx |
| 14:36.57 | omri | xoz, if I could send them to the remote, I would |
| 14:37.03 | omri | wols_, no |
| 14:37.05 | omri | oh, sec |
| 14:37.07 | xoz | omri: try rsync |
| 14:37.16 | omri | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 45808 2006-12-07 01:37 /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 14:37.17 | omri | yup |
| 14:37.24 | wols_ | omri: and also check your logs on the remote machine. ssh might have said something when you tried scp |
| 14:37.25 | omri | xoz, no rsync on the remote machine |
| 14:37.46 | xoz | omri: rsync -avz <source> remote:<dir> |
| 14:38.12 | xoz | omri: try sftp |
| 14:39.10 | omri | it needs rsync on remote machine, just like the scp problem |
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| 14:39.41 | uwe | omri, whats the problem with the command supplied above ? the tar|ssh|tar ? |
| 14:40.04 | omri | uwe, got a syntax error |
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| 14:40.35 | omri | what's the proper sftp syntax to transfer from the local machine to remote? |
| 14:40.42 | xoz | omri: sftp <remote> |
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| 14:41.13 | uwe | very helpful ... locally or remotely ? what is your local system, what is your remote system |
| 14:41.16 | nihraguk | how do i force aptitude to reinstall a package that's already installed? |
| 14:41.23 | omri | yes! sftp works! |
| 14:41.29 | omri | lets see what's next |
| 14:41.30 | xoz | omri: type help inside sftp |
| 14:41.38 | js_ | nihraguk: you can do "apt-get install --reinstall package" |
| 14:41.41 | uwe | good ... |
| 14:41.47 | omri | xoz, already transfering :) |
| 14:41.57 | omri | I'm transfering a tar archive of /usr/bin |
| 14:41.58 | uwe | :) |
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| 14:42.00 | omri | I'll extract it there |
| 14:42.11 | omri | it's from a x86 system and the remote is x86_64, lets hope for best... |
| 14:42.15 | omri | I'll reinstall all the packages |
| 14:42.17 | nihraguk | js_: tks |
| 14:42.22 | uwe | err ... i dought itll work |
| 14:42.32 | omri | all the packages that have files in /usr/bin |
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| 14:42.55 | omri | is there a script for stupidness? |
| 14:42.57 | omri | :] |
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| 14:43.45 | uwe | omri, yeah ... "rm -Rf /" , put it any file, and chmod it to 755 |
| 14:44.50 | grew | put it as /etc/rc |
| 14:44.52 | uwe | omri, i suggest you start gathering the x86_64 .deb packs you wish to resotre |
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| 14:45.50 | omri | uwe, mmm... lots of stuff there |
| 14:46.03 | omri | I will do some grep script to list them |
| 14:46.06 | omri | then I'll install them |
| 14:46.12 | stoned | !lart stoned |
| 14:46.16 | stoned | doh |
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| 14:46.36 | omri | thanks alot guys |
| 14:46.47 | omri | just last question, how do I force reinstalling using apt-get? |
| 14:46.50 | stoned | ok I will redo my ignores |
| 14:46.58 | omri | after I found the list of packages, what do I do? |
| 14:47.00 | stoned | cleared now lets see if i can see any actions |
| 14:47.03 | stoned | !lart stoned |
| 14:47.03 | uwe | omri, let us know if the x86 executables will work on the x86_64 |
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| 14:47.06 | stoned | ok there we go |
| 14:47.08 | stoned | finally |
| 14:47.16 | omri | uwe, they will, I've executed some x86 stuff there |
| 14:47.24 | stoned | jetscreamer: ok it was the ignores |
| 14:47.30 | omri | I just hope apt-get will work fine |
| 14:47.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: i have to clean em up |
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| 14:47.46 | Alarm | hey. before i did try to mount my usb external drive. and someone helped me a bit with it. i did put my normal user in the plugdev or something like that group . and pmounted the drive and worked |
| 14:47.59 | ArtVandalae | Can the debian package manager handle alternate dependency solutions. E.g. Python 2.5 comes with the module sqlite3, whereas if you were running anything before Python2.5, you'd need the sqlite3 module itself? |
| 14:48.15 | Lin | what a hell... adduser can add groups ? |
| 14:48.37 | uwe | Alarm, good ... |
| 14:48.41 | Alarm | i switched of the drive , and now i tried to opened it and get the same error again: hal-storage-removable-mount-all options refused uid 1000 |
| 14:48.54 | xoz | Lin: a long time ago |
| 14:48.55 | uwe | Alarm, bad ... |
| 14:48.58 | Alarm | uwe, i wasnt finished hehehe |
| 14:48.58 | Alarm | :) |
| 14:49.24 | Lin | xoz: I noticed right now.. re-reading the man page and I have read this feature on a wiki page. |
| 14:49.28 | uwe | Alarm, is this a fresh session ? |
| 14:49.36 | Alarm | well , yes |
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| 14:49.54 | uwe | i suppose you need to log out and in again so group change will take affect |
| 14:50.05 | Alarm | actually i did mount it before without a problem , i didnt log out. just turned off and on my drive and now i cant mount it again |
| 14:50.07 | uwe | oh, then ... strange ... |
| 14:50.07 | Lin | xoz: makes no sense for me. adduser can change the group file too adding users to groups. There is other commands to do this. |
| 14:50.10 | Alarm | uwe, did that |
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| 14:50.27 | uwe | Alarm, you unmounted it first ? |
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| 14:50.34 | Alarm | not really |
| 14:50.36 | xoz | Lin: historical reason |
| 14:50.45 | uwe | i dont know if this makes problems ... but maybe |
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| 14:51.11 | Lin | xoz: since when adduser can add groups? |
| 14:51.25 | Alarm | i had an entry in the fstab /dev/sda1 /media/win5 ntfs auto,gid=1000,umask=0002 0 , but i was told to comment it |
| 14:51.32 | nihraguk | are there any significant advantages to using bcron over cron? |
| 14:52.26 | uwe | Alarm, yes, you should |
| 14:52.41 | Alarm | well i did |
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| 14:53.13 | Alarm | and its not that i pluged my drive on another usb, its on the same usb plug , same drive |
| 14:53.28 | grepthis | How can i find out if a timout is happening on squid or apache? |
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| 14:53.34 | Alarm | and as much i see now from the user manager, the user Alarm is in the group plugdev |
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| 14:53.39 | omri | grepthis, check the logs? |
| 14:53.55 | grepthis | omri, how will the logs tell me about timeouts? |
| 14:54.17 | grepthis | like if there is a timeout in the squid log it must be apache? |
| 14:54.17 | omri | I don't know, try checking. |
| 14:54.39 | marteo | how can i see the userlist of channel? i use xchat in debian |
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| 14:55.27 | Lin | xoz: sorry.. my xchat crashed.. did you answer anything to me? |
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| 14:55.31 | svizzero | anyone knows how to delete a file with this name \317v\336\362\025? |
| 14:55.35 | uwe | marteo, maybe just drag the bar on the right |
| 14:55.56 | Lin | rm \317v\336\362\025 |
| 14:55.59 | Lin | :-) |
| 14:56.09 | svizzero | Lin impossibile |
| 14:56.13 | Lin | didnt works? use mc (aptitude install mc) |
| 14:56.18 | svizzero | I get no such file or directory |
| 14:56.18 | xoz | Lin: no. i think a long time ago. from woody |
| 14:56.29 | Hotwire | Hi, could anyone shed some light on it the following line in my syslog. debian kernel: pthreads_stack_[13688]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000000000000 rsp 00000000ffe6d898 error 14. It happens when i try and open cedega. I recently updated my kernel but i am still running my old one. It is a debian Testing system. Thanks :) |
| 14:56.30 | marteo | o~, i got it. thanks~~~ uwe :D |
| 14:56.39 | Lin | damn.. there is a long time that I didn't read the man pages.. |
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| 14:56.56 | grepthis | omri, don't see anything like timeouts in the squid log |
| 14:57.13 | uwe | rm "\\317v\\336\\362\\025" |
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| 14:57.37 | mikeX | is there a more minimal metapackage for X than x-window-system-core? |
| 14:57.53 | Lin | mikeX: what did you want intalled? |
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| 14:58.43 | mikeX | well I don't like the xorg-*-all packages for one |
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| 15:01.28 | xoz | omri: is it working now? |
| 15:01.37 | omri | missing libs |
| 15:01.50 | omri | I'm looking for apt-get amd64 .deb |
| 15:01.55 | RedACE | When are they going to fix the cdrom driver problem on netinst in etch which prevents the installer from detecting the cdrom drive and makes installing impossible? |
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| 15:02.55 | RedACE | ubuntu has fixed the problem, so I assume debian testing has as well |
| 15:02.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 15:03.24 | HardDisk_WP | i have a source .tar.gz (rocksndiamonds)...how do I make a debian package out of it? |
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| 15:05.05 | uwe | omri, use apt-file |
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| 15:05.34 | uwe | apt-get apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search bleh |
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| 15:06.25 | ston | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:06.43 | xoz | omri: look into /var/lib/dpkg/info; grep -i '/usr/bin/' *.list to get the lists of packages with /usr/bin programs installed |
| 15:07.13 | uwe | oh ... xoz ... thank you ! |
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| 15:08.22 | omri | ok, I have a problem. |
| 15:08.50 | omri | dpkg is installed for i386 and I can't install packages with it |
| 15:08.58 | omri | can I somehow extract deb packages? |
| 15:08.59 | Insolit | how do i know if a network device is either eth0 or eth1? |
| 15:09.08 | xoz | omri: yep |
| 15:09.12 | omri | how? |
| 15:09.17 | uwe | omri, get the x86_64 package and extract what you need from it |
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| 15:09.23 | omri | how do I extract it? |
| 15:09.28 | omri | I have the x86_64 package |
| 15:09.28 | uwe | the ar command can be used to extract stuff |
| 15:09.47 | uwe | just a regular archive file |
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| 15:10.34 | xoz | !.deb |
| 15:10.34 | dpkg | [.deb] a debian package, or an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files) |
| 15:13.04 | mikeX | I have a promise PDC20276 raid controller which I've setup up to mode 0 (2 disk stripe). Shouldn't I see one disk instead of two (debian etch)? |
| 15:13.16 | omri | any1 here running a etch x86_64 bit installation? |
| 15:13.59 | uwe | omri, why do you need it ? |
| 15:14.18 | omri | I need /usr/bin |
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| 15:15.19 | uwe | i see ... like ... >90 Mb |
| 15:15.35 | omri | can you please tar.bz2 it and send it me? |
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| 15:15.44 | uwe | no ... |
| 15:15.52 | omri | please? |
| 15:16.01 | boka | hehe |
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| 15:16.03 | uwe | i really cant, not dont want to :) |
| 15:16.09 | omri | what do you mean? |
| 15:16.14 | uwe | ! |
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| 15:17.09 | omri | any1 else? x86_64 etch installation? please? |
| 15:17.16 | stoned | !anyone |
| 15:17.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:17.35 | omri | I need /usr/bin of x86_64 etch installation. better? |
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| 15:18.05 | uwe | omri, get a list of packages that have files in /usr/bin, the way suggeted earlier, there is an option to download and not install, extract the packages in some directory, similar to fake root and get the packages from there !!!!\ |
| 15:18.25 | stoned | omri: how could you not have a /usr ? |
| 15:18.37 | omri | stoned, I've erased /usr/bin by accident |
| 15:18.39 | uwe | stoned, he deleted it |
| 15:18.42 | danieldg | I'm trying to compile a kernel for i386 on amd64. I have the compile working, but make-kpkg fails with "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)". What else do I need to specify? |
| 15:18.43 | stoned | omri: oh no |
| 15:18.47 | omri | oh yes :( |
| 15:18.53 | stoned | omri: how did you do that? |
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| 15:19.19 | Alarm | uwe, maybe this could help a bit i did as root: usermod -a -G plugdev alarm and then as a user: pmount /dev/sda1 . and worked again. but when i shut the hd off, and turned it on again it didnt work . i couldnt get in |
| 15:19.22 | boka | omri: man I feel sorry for you |
| 15:19.30 | stoned | omri: you've lost pretty much all binaries in /usr/bin unless you install all the packages again you can't get them back |
| 15:19.33 | omri | I do as well. |
| 15:19.38 | stoned | omri: might as well reinstall and save some trouble for yourself |
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| 15:19.42 | omri | stoned, I need apt-get to start with |
| 15:19.47 | omri | can't reinstall. |
| 15:19.51 | chop1 | omri: You might have better luck doing a fresh install on a new partition, and then move over the data from the borked system |
| 15:19.55 | uwe | Alarm, what do you mean i couldnt get in |
| 15:19.57 | stoned | omri: reinstalling might be easier now than trying to fix it |
| 15:20.06 | chop1 | omri: Trying to repair a system that's that badly broken will be a big PITA |
| 15:20.16 | Alarm | i get the messege : the mount point /media/win5 is allready occupied |
| 15:20.20 | omri | stoned, I can't |
| 15:20.26 | stoned | omri: why not? |
| 15:20.35 | boka | omri: ok. can you acess dpkg ? |
| 15:20.57 | danieldg | omri: I'd try using debbootstrapping into a chroot for the basic binaries then reinstall all packages after getting dpkg/apt-get working again |
| 15:21.09 | Alarm | but: rockpc:/home/alarm# umount /media/win5 .umount: /media/win5: not mounted |
| 15:21.23 | uwe | argh .... |
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| 15:21.32 | boka | omri: dpkg is inside /usr/sbin/ |
| 15:21.39 | omri | stoned, I don't have physical access to it |
| 15:21.40 | boka | omri: for most part |
| 15:21.47 | Alarm | and once i do again as simple user: pmount /dev/sda1 . it mounts without any problem |
| 15:21.59 | Alarm | but not when i double click to enter in the drive |
| 15:22.07 | omri | boka, I know, I'm getting other problems after I've installed it |
| 15:22.24 | uwe | Alarm, hmmm ... |
| 15:22.55 | patrikf | Alarm: use pumount to unmount the drive bevore removing it |
| 15:23.03 | patrikf | s/bevore/before |
| 15:23.29 | uwe | or maybe right click , eject or umount |
| 15:23.39 | Alarm | and what if i dont want to do all this ? what i need is when i turn on the usb extern hd , to be mounted , or unmounted when i turn it of |
| 15:23.46 | abelle | dunno |
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| 15:24.27 | smhar | I have been using debian etch since it was in the testing stage. Now that it is released, I still have etch in my sources. do I need to make anything other than the usual apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade? what if decided to go to lenny? |
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| 15:24.51 | uwe | change etch to lenny in the sources |
| 15:24.59 | omri | I got a wrong version of apt-get |
| 15:25.00 | Alarm | patrikf, did that : "safely remove" , turned it off, and then on again and i get the same messege again the mount point /media/win5 is occupied |
| 15:25.01 | omri | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 15:25.09 | omri | where can I find etch version? |
| 15:26.37 | xoz | smhar: better stick with etch if you want stability. |
| 15:26.38 | patrikf | Alarm: from kde or from pmount? |
| 15:26.38 | Alarm | yes |
| 15:26.38 | xoz | omri: possible that /usr/bin is not the only dir you deleted? |
| 15:26.38 | talisker | I, I have this weird problem, I'm connecting home using VNC, the server is listening on port 5900 and I'm connecting through port 23 using rinetd for the forwarding, whenever I log out I need to ssh into my computer and restart rinetd [and not the VNC server] before I can connect again |
| 15:26.39 | omri | xoz, I have that lib, just another version |
| 15:26.39 | omri | look |
| 15:26.39 | omri | gold:~# echo /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-* |
| 15:26.40 | omri | /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11 /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11.0 |
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| 15:27.09 | omri | I have libc-6.3-6, this one looks for libc-6.3-5 |
| 15:27.21 | uwe | omri, try to do link to the version you want |
| 15:27.46 | omri | get segfault |
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| 15:28.00 | xoz | omri: because you took it from another system? you should pull the correct apt |
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| 15:28.23 | omri | apt_0.5.28.6_amd64.deb |
| 15:28.31 | smhar | xoz, I've been using testing for sometime, so I have no problem with little problems now and then as long as they are eventually solved. although I am planning to keep using stable for a while until new things 'stabilize' in lenny |
| 15:28.57 | hunterones2 | does anyone know why "ls /directory/with/5k/files/ >> something.output" gets the files with spaces and transform the spaces into an new line in the archive "something.output"? |
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| 15:29.34 | omri | uwe, apt_0.5.28.6_amd64.deb is what I got |
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| 15:30.31 | xoz | smhar: actually, since etch has just been recently released, lenny inherits the etch packages so the changes are not yet that far.... which means that lenny is nearly stable as etch unless more packages in sid comes in. |
| 15:30.35 | uwe | omri, maybe you should replace other files you broke consistancy with ... or try to get the same package ... somehow |
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| 15:31.40 | abrotman | hunterones2: might get a better answer in #bash |
| 15:31.44 | uwe | backup every file you replace |
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| 15:32.14 | xoz | omri: this is really PITA....it may work but it will kill your time and ours :)... time to sleep. |
| 15:32.36 | omri | xoz, thanks alot dude |
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| 15:33.44 | gameman73 | why does xfce4-session listen on a port? |
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| 15:33.44 | efaistos | 6/le |
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| 15:36.03 | smhar | xoz, I know .. this is just the calm before the storm, soon the new structural changes in lenny will appear and it will be so 'unstable' for sometime, until the major changes stop |
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| 15:36.53 | HymnToLife | sounds like some fun :p |
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| 15:40.13 | hunterones2 | abrotman, thanks a lot, they know! :D |
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| 15:40.38 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | !tell MrWup about root |
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| 15:41.28 | danieldg | does CROSS_COMPILE have to be set when building an i386 kernel on an amd64 system? With it set to '-', the kernel compiles much faster, but dpkg-gencontrol fails |
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| 15:42.09 | Ryushin | Does anyone have any ideas why grub is taking a long time to load. I started messing with it this morning to get it to display a splash image. That works fine, but it's taking about 15 seconds or so before it even brings up the grub menu. |
| 15:42.13 | torrr | how much swap do I need for X Mb of ram? |
| 15:42.33 | danieldg | torrr: no relation between the two, only between how much you expect to do on the system |
| 15:43.15 | torrr | danieldg, so swap = virtual memory size or swap + ram= vm size? |
| 15:43.26 | h3sp4wn | torrr: I use 512mb swap (2gb of ram) - if you want suspend2 you need alot more swap - otherwise even 256mb would be ok |
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| 15:43.47 | danieldg | swap + ram = the max amount of stuff you can have in memory |
| 15:43.50 | eisen | it never swaps here with 1gb ram |
| 15:44.10 | danieldg | and I can get my system with 2gb ram to swap :) |
| 15:44.19 | torrr | OK thanks :) |
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| 15:47.22 | dclarke | how do I get debian to detect my monitor and allow me to chnage the resolution |
| 15:47.35 | dclarke | I'm stuck at 1024x768 |
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| 15:48.58 | jiii | I got a problem with my etch install. Every time I log out (regardless of login-manager), my system freezes. Help? |
| 15:49.03 | uwe | um, is there "another/better" way to backup systems other than using tar/gzip/rsync ? |
| 15:49.08 | Pupeno | I installed Debian Etch on my notebook about two or three weeks ago, in that time not a single package has been upgraded. I find it suspicious... was Etch so perfect or I have a mirror in an eternal netsplit? |
| 15:49.16 | uwe | or advanced |
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| 15:49.39 | Pupeno | uwe: many... for servers I am using bacula. |
| 15:49.59 | uwe | thanks Pupeno , googling bacula |
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| 15:50.40 | jiii | Pupeno: It has been the same for me. |
| 15:50.49 | jiii | Pupeno: I think it is "stable". |
| 15:50.50 | Pupeno | jiii: about updates? |
| 15:50.53 | h3sp4wn | Pupeno: There is only one security.debian.org |
| 15:50.54 | jiii | Pupeno: Yes. |
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| 15:51.21 | mutantpineapple | it's just gone stable, i shouldn't imagine there'll be many updates soon except security-related ones |
| 15:52.07 | Pupeno | mutantpineapple: sarge gets security updates one or twice a week, even now, on my servers. |
| 15:52.37 | Pupeno | well... nevermind. |
| 15:52.37 | Winkie | hmm i accidentally installed sid instead of etch on 4 machines |
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| 15:53.56 | Pupeno | What should I install to be able to use an atheros-based (pcmcia) wireless nic? |
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| 15:53.59 | jiii | Pupeno: the correct kernel module :) |
| 15:54.09 | jiii | Pupeno: and wireless-tools |
| 15:54.12 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to add applications to startup, so that applications will open faster after booting? |
| 15:54.13 | Winkie | is there an easy way for me to downgrade an install from sid to etch? |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | you can't |
| 15:54.30 | Winkie | abrotman: really? that many changes? i've heard plenty of discussion about apt-pinning |
| 15:54.39 | Pupeno | In what package should I expect to find the ath module for the atheros wireless cards? |
| 15:54.41 | abrotman | yes .. that's for mixing .. nto downgrading |
| 15:54.44 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 15:54.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:55.16 | jiii | Pupeno: no idea, look it up. |
| 15:55.17 | Winkie | oh beautiful |
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| 15:55.20 | jiii | Pupeno: :) |
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| 15:55.29 | Winkie | well bugger, i need to start pinning things then i think so i can start mixing with etch :( |
| 15:55.52 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 15:55.53 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 15:56.01 | Winkie | yeah i've done that before |
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| 15:57.27 | jiii | I got a problem with my etch install. Every time I log out (regardless of login-manager), my system freezes. Any got any ideas? |
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| 16:01.18 | Winkie | jiii: your 'system freezes'? do you mean keyboard and mouse stops responding or everything including network? |
| 16:01.18 | CharminTheMoose | is there a plugin for xmms1 to play wma files? |
| 16:01.20 | uwe | Pupeno, um ... ive quickly read bacula docs, what is it that makes bacula your best choice ? |
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| 16:02.12 | uwe | vs. amanda for example |
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| 16:03.42 | strusmb | debian suck !!! |
| 16:03.42 | strusmb | ubuntu rule!! |
| 16:03.42 | pdbogen | strusmb : You're confusing Debian with yourself again. |
| 16:03.42 | dembug | grow up |
| 16:03.42 | strusmb | debian to ZUO!! |
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| 16:03.43 | dembug | :-p |
| 16:03.43 | pdbogen | !ops get rid of strusmb the troll. :/ |
| 16:03.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pdbogen complains about: get rid of strusmb the troll. :/ |
| 16:03.49 | dembug | !asshole |
| 16:03.49 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 16:04.04 | strusmb | debian is very very hard |
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| 16:04.27 | wietz0r | I followed this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup to the letter, however when I startup it still tells me that I have "Old style ttys" how can I fix this ? |
| 16:04.34 | bhundven | kbai |
| 16:04.38 | pdbogen | Yay. |
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| 16:06.09 | jiii | Winkie: everything |
| 16:07.23 | xand | jiii: did you try pinging it from another machine? |
| 16:07.26 | CharminTheMoose | is there a plugin for xmms1 to play wma files? |
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| 16:10.10 | turffy | hi im tryng to install deb4 from cd that i brn i have use it in my loptop it works but when i try installing it in a desktop I got this Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0, would it be a hardware problem? |
| 16:11.27 | concept10 | CharminTheMoose, http://www.google.com/search?q=xmms+wma&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
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| 16:11.54 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: what's wrong with $ apt-cache search -n xmms | grep wma |
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| 16:12.15 | KeepWalking_ | i make a mistake, and give 777 mode to /var/www, what mode should it have normally?? |
| 16:12.18 | jiii | xand: nope... |
| 16:12.21 | concept10 | !info xmms-wma |
| 16:12.29 | jiii | xand: don't really have the possibility though. |
| 16:12.29 | dpkg | xmms-wma: (WMA input plugin for XMMS), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 16:12.47 | xand | jiii: well, that would be useful to determine if it's really crashed, or if it's just X |
| 16:12.55 | xand | jiii: does ctrl-alt-F1 do anything? |
| 16:13.04 | jiii | xand: it's is crashed, numlock does not work |
| 16:13.09 | jiii | xand: no |
| 16:13.27 | eisen | KeepWalking_: it has 755 here |
| 16:13.43 | KeepWalking_ | eisen: thank you |
| 16:13.49 | enouf | turffy: jmicron ide controller on Desktop system? |
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| 16:16.35 | wietz0r | K, this guide says I need to add something to /etc/udev/rules.d/10-LOCAL.rules, but this file doesn't exist on my box, can I just create it ? |
| 16:17.09 | chop1 | wietz0r: It shouldn't be dangerous to create that file, at least |
| 16:17.23 | chop1 | wietz0r: It might not work, but you'll have to try to know for sure :-) |
| 16:17.27 | wietz0r | chop1: I'll just try it and reboot :p |
| 16:17.31 | wietz0r | thanks anyhow, brb |
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| 16:24.46 | buscon | Hi, how can I create an iso image and mounting with read/write access? |
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| 16:25.15 | Eclipser | -o rw ? |
| 16:25.35 | stew | buscon: you can't mount an iso rw, its a readonly filesystem |
| 16:26.16 | buscon | steve, no way? I need a crypted file that can be mounted read/write under linux and osx |
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| 16:27.34 | chop1 | buscon: iso9660 isn't the filesystem you want then, I don't think |
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| 16:28.09 | bhundven | buscon: just use gpg... |
| 16:28.17 | buscon | chop1, so what do I need? |
| 16:28.30 | buscon | bhundven, I've got a lot of data... |
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| 16:29.10 | bhundven | how much is "a lot" |
| 16:29.31 | buscon | bhundven, 2gb |
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| 16:30.03 | h3sp4wn | buscon: You can use unionfs - and mount the iso and another directory (and remake an iso with the result) |
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| 16:32.39 | ma3x | why my dmesg gets flooded with msgs like this eth1: Corrupted packet received, buffer status = 0x908805ee/1518. |
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| 16:33.09 | torrr | I talked to someone at k3b and he said that K3bSetup exist, and debian should incorporate it or handle the permissions. ANd my problem was about permission, as root it runs. He told me to change the group of the device to cdrw, but there is no such group. I wonder if I should create it or if there is already a group for that? |
| 16:33.33 | ma3x | what do you need k3b setup? |
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| 16:33.39 | ma3x | just aptitude install k3b |
| 16:34.00 | rgsteele | Hey guys. Riddle me this: http://pastebin.ca/465804 |
| 16:34.04 | torrr | ma3x, I installed with synaptic |
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| 16:34.15 | torrr | ma3x, and now as a user I can't burn |
| 16:34.24 | ma3x | torrr, why not? what does it say? |
| 16:34.44 | torrr | ma3x, because I have no permission on the device I guess, bucause as root it runs fine |
| 16:34.56 | Justin | there is a cdrom group |
| 16:35.01 | abhi | can anyone tell me how to add applications to startup, so that applications will open faster after booting? |
| 16:35.03 | drako | torrr, i know that kind of answer are unwanted but, IMHO gnomebaker is much better than k3b in case you use Gnome. |
| 16:35.11 | torrr | ma3x, as non root it doesn't even see the device |
| 16:35.25 | ma3x | torrr, what is the device in k3b? /dev/cdrom ? |
| 16:35.47 | ma3x | torrr, ls -lah /dev/cdrom |
| 16:35.51 | torrr | drako, I use gnome, wasn't told about gnomebaker |
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| 16:36.09 | torrr | ma3x, it is dev/hdb and it is root:root |
| 16:36.17 | knoxy | ma3x, run k3b with root |
| 16:36.26 | ma3x | knoxy, why? |
| 16:36.29 | Justin | torrr: it should be root:cdrom |
| 16:36.36 | Justin | brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 22, 0 2007-04-20 08:35 /dev/hdc |
| 16:36.41 | torrr | it is root:root |
| 16:36.42 | drako | torrr, then give it a try, it worth. |
| 16:36.53 | ma3x | torrr, change it to root:cdrom |
| 16:36.57 | torrr | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-04-25 23:44 /dev/cdrom -> hdb |
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| 16:37.22 | ma3x | torrr, chgrp /dev/cdrom cdrom |
| 16:37.25 | drako | torrr, plus it work out of the box in debian |
| 16:37.30 | Justin | nonono |
| 16:37.32 | ma3x | eh no |
| 16:37.37 | Justin | that is a link, you have to look at /dev/hdb |
| 16:37.39 | ma3x | torrr, chgrp cdrom /dev/cdrom |
| 16:37.41 | ma3x | try that |
| 16:37.42 | torrr | invalid group |
| 16:37.48 | Justin | ma3x: bzzt |
| 16:37.56 | xand | what are you doing |
| 16:38.04 | ma3x | changing the group |
| 16:38.08 | xand | no, don't do that. |
| 16:38.11 | ma3x | so that he can access the device |
| 16:38.19 | plb_ | hrm i added a bunch of rules to iptables via command line. Is there anyway I can save it via command line so iptables can use it when I reboot? |
| 16:38.23 | xand | anyway, you can't change the group of a symlink |
| 16:38.31 | ma3x | xand, the group of /dev/cdrom should be cdrom |
| 16:38.34 | xand | torrr: add yourself to the cdrom group |
| 16:38.41 | xand | ma3x: it's a symlink, it doesn't matter |
| 16:38.54 | xand | ma3x: symlinks have no owner on ext3 |
| 16:38.56 | ma3x | then let him change it of the /dev/hdb |
| 16:39.00 | torrr | i think there isn't a cdrom group |
| 16:39.08 | ma3x | torrr, check /etc/group |
| 16:39.09 | Justin | no cdrom group? on a debian system? |
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| 16:39.22 | xand | torrr: what does ls -l /dev/hdb say then? |
| 16:39.47 | rgsteele | Nevermind, got it straightened out. Missed my deb-src line in the sources.list. |
| 16:39.53 | torrr | xand root:root |
| 16:39.58 | xand | torrr: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:40.05 | ma3x | torrr, see if /etc/group has a line starting with cdrom |
| 16:40.06 | torrr | sarge |
| 16:40.22 | xand | sounds rather broken to me |
| 16:40.29 | torrr | no cd |
| 16:40.38 | torrr | in /etc/group |
| 16:40.39 | ma3x | torrr, no cdrom group? |
| 16:40.43 | torrr | no |
| 16:41.04 | ma3x | torrr, what's the output of cat /etc/group | grep cdrom ? |
| 16:41.34 | pdbogen | Are there any other good RSS feeds like Debian Administration? |
| 16:41.42 | Justin | pdbogen: planet debian |
| 16:41.50 | torrr | ma3x, no output |
| 16:42.01 | ma3x | torrr, when did you install your system? |
| 16:42.14 | torrr | two mounths ago |
| 16:42.16 | torrr | I think |
| 16:42.46 | ma3x | torrr, someone removed your cdrom group |
| 16:42.59 | ma3x | either reinstall your system or ask some of the guys here to help you setup a new group |
| 16:43.08 | torrr | ma3x, it was the government!!! |
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| 16:43.24 | ma3x | gov installed system? |
| 16:43.30 | torrr | ma3x, no problem I can add the group |
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| 16:43.37 | leOn | hello |
| 16:43.47 | ma3x | torrr, why not make a fresh install? |
| 16:43.54 | torrr | ma3x, no, but as a paranoid I must balme the gov |
| 16:44.13 | torrr | ma3x, because I have lots of things configured |
| 16:44.20 | leOn | anyone been able to install the latest fglrx driver on unstable with 2.6.20 ? |
| 16:45.17 | psykidellic | hello...df -h shows that one of my device is 100% full..what is the best way to find the files that take largest amount of space? |
| 16:45.45 | concept10 | psykidellic, do you use gnome? |
| 16:45.47 | bhundven | du |
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| 16:46.22 | psykidellic | concept10, no. Just terminal. I need the command line command :) |
| 16:46.32 | xand | du |
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| 16:46.56 | leOn | when i try to compile the driver i get FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
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| 16:47.09 | Octopssy | How can I make my shell listen as localhost proxy ? |
| 16:47.13 | Octopssy | With use of tunneling or something |
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| 16:47.18 | concept10 | psykidellic, I was just going to suggest baobab if you used it |
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| 16:47.48 | vin` | psykidellic: du -x / | sort -n | tail -10 |
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| 16:49.03 | psykidellic | vin`, thanks. |
| 16:49.20 | h3sp4wn | leOn: using the nvidia.com installer ? |
| 16:49.30 | torrr | I added the cdrom and changed /dev/hdb |
| 16:49.45 | torrr | but /dev/cdrom refuse to change and keeps root:root |
| 16:49.49 | h3sp4wn | leOn: (or the ati installer) |
| 16:50.11 | h3sp4wn | leOn: It won't work anyway unless you recompile xserver-xorg-core |
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| 16:51.05 | torrr | and it doesn't work |
| 16:51.13 | ehc | does debian push people to debian-overflow after 700 or something? it seems to be very busy recently |
| 16:51.29 | mutantpi1eapple | anyone installed gensplash on debian? |
| 16:51.34 | torrr | why doesn't the symbolic link change its group? |
| 16:51.42 | leOn | h3sp4wn: are you serious?... |
| 16:52.24 | h3sp4wn | leOn: yep - the version string changed and ati has not fixed its drivers yet |
| 16:52.37 | leOn | well ... even so ... right now the problem has nothing to do with xserver .. i'm having trouble compiling the fglrx kernel module |
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| 16:52.56 | torrr | solved -h |
| 16:53.17 | h3sp4wn | leOn: look at the patch in nvidia-kernel-source (the xen and rt one) you need to do something similar |
| 16:53.24 | bhundven | leOn: I had the same problem u using 2.6.21? |
| 16:53.35 | leOn | 2.6.20 |
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| 16:54.01 | leOn | and the latest 8.36.5 ati driver |
| 16:54.34 | bhundven | I had the same problem with the nvidia driver. it seems that both drivers don't like the paravirtualization module |
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| 16:54.46 | bhundven | i just turned it off and it works fine |
| 16:54.47 | leOn | some sugest recompiling the kernel without paravirt support .. but i'm wondering if that's sensible |
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| 16:55.00 | leeh | I upgraded my copy of unstable over the weekend, kernel stayed same. after upgrade, the output on the TV is a little borked, but the monitor is fine. Mouse has the right dimensions of the TV, but when I maximise something the dimensions are wrong.. |
| 16:55.05 | leOn | s/sensible/wise/ |
| 16:55.16 | leeh | its half hanging somewhere where I cant move the mouse :p |
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| 16:57.02 | leOn | bhundven: you using ati or the nvidia driver? |
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| 16:58.19 | leeh | the slit (fluxbox variant of taskbar) is in the right place, until I maximise something. at which point it goes out of sight.. |
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| 16:58.55 | fuzzy_logic | hi people |
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| 16:59.08 | torrr | well it didn't help made everything root:cdrom |
| 16:59.27 | fuzzy_logic | i have a mailserver up and running, i can send mail but i can't receive mail.. why could that be? |
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| 17:00.26 | bhundven | leOn: I'm using the nvidia driver... but it doesn't matter, both drivers don't work... read zander's post on: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1238579 |
| 17:00.28 | bhundven | "This is a regression in the Linux kernel." |
| 17:00.58 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me?? plz? |
| 17:00.58 | h3sp4wn | Its not a regression - if paravirtual ops is not enabled its not an issue |
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| 17:02.35 | bhundven | fuzzy_logic: just ask.. you need to give us more info though.. what versions of mail servers your using maybe pastbin your config files... |
| 17:03.40 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: and check your logs |
| 17:03.45 | wols_ | there will be log entries |
| 17:03.54 | leOn | bhundven: yeah ... guys at the kernel dev team are rather pedantic lately, no? |
| 17:03.54 | fuzzy_logic | bhundven: i'm quite new at this.. and i didn't really configure anything.. i installed the mailserver packages from netinst, configured the ports and dns, nothing more.. everything is really default.. |
| 17:04.06 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: where can i find these entries? |
| 17:04.19 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: /var/log/ |
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| 17:05.15 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: how do you know that you cannot recieve mail? |
| 17:05.31 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: i send mail from other accounts.. |
| 17:05.32 | enouf | torrr: fwiw .. here's the issue you were facing http://lwn.net/Articles/193516/ |
| 17:05.39 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: wich log do you need? |
| 17:05.50 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: so you are sending mail from the internet? |
| 17:05.59 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: to which host? |
| 17:06.00 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:06.15 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: to my mailserver here at home |
| 17:06.32 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: which host ( so i could try from the internet ) |
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| 17:06.54 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: to this e-mail adress: fuzzy@ansata.org |
| 17:07.01 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: what's physically between your host and the internet? |
| 17:07.22 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: what do you mean by my host? the server? |
| 17:07.28 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: yea |
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| 17:08.00 | krifur | hello, when i m connected to my server with ssh , i been deconnected after a short period of inactivity, where can i change this time period?(i look on the sshd_config but i don t find anything) thx |
| 17:08.04 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: i think just a router.. but that's configured well as far as i know |
| 17:08.16 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: ok, i can reach your mail server |
| 17:08.41 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: yes.. everything seems fine to me too.. but i can't receive any mail |
| 17:08.49 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: how did you configure that mail server? |
| 17:09.10 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: i didn't.. it did by itself when i installed the mailserver packages |
| 17:09.46 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: is the IP 89.98.88.94 correct for your mailserver? |
| 17:09.55 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: yes |
| 17:10.12 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: it should have prompted you for configration questions |
| 17:10.19 | leeh | mail.ansata.org [89.98.88.94] 25 (smtp) : Connection refused |
| 17:10.32 | leeh | the mailserver is not listening on port 25 :) |
| 17:10.35 | valdyn | leeh: why the hell would i need mai.ansata.org? |
| 17:10.38 | valdyn | leeh: why the hell would i need mail.ansata.org? |
| 17:10.46 | valdyn | leeh: nah, the ansata.org is ok |
| 17:10.49 | leeh | ah |
| 17:11.08 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: well.. it didn't :) |
| 17:11.15 | leeh | eh? |
| 17:11.16 | wols_ | valdyn: but ansata.org is not listening on port 25 |
| 17:11.17 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: uh, leeh is right |
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| 17:11.23 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: do you have a firewall? a router? |
| 17:11.26 | valdyn | wols_: i jsut reached it |
| 17:11.36 | valdyn | wols_: my telnet ansata.org 25 gave me exim |
| 17:11.38 | wols_ | still trying here and no workie |
| 17:11.53 | wols_ | if it's reachable, then probably the mailserver doesn't know ansata.org mail is for him |
| 17:11.58 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: yes.. a router |
| 17:12.00 | leeh | not working here, and I am certainly not firewalled outbound. |
| 17:12.18 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: you portforwarded port 25? |
| 17:12.26 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: mail.log btw |
| 17:12.27 | leeh | valdyn: sure you dont have a transparent ISP mailserver? ;-) |
| 17:12.30 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: your ansata.org is fine, BUT run a dig mx ansata.org yourself. That will give mail.ansata.org, on a different IP |
| 17:12.32 | wols_ | and it's not me who needs the logs but YOU |
| 17:12.36 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: yes |
| 17:12.39 | boka | fuzzy_logic: dig +short ansata.org |
| 17:13.03 | valdyn | wols_: im not sure why ansata.org:25 is reachable by me but not your.. |
| 17:13.15 | wols_ | valdyn: debian ddos |
| 17:13.19 | valdyn | wols_: and its still working.. |
| 17:13.25 | wols_ | valdyn: try to send a mail via telnet |
| 17:13.32 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: you need to fix your MX dns record |
| 17:13.43 | leeh | valdyn: he said 89.98.88.94 was correct for his mailserver |
| 17:13.43 | wols_ | since fuzzy_logic is obviously incapable of looking at logs, you can at least see what the mailserver says |
| 17:13.44 | leeh | which is mail. |
| 17:13.45 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: yes that was strange to me too.. i digged it before.. and it gave me mail.ansata.org, while for sending mail just ansata.org works fine |
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| 17:13.55 | leeh | unless hes confused :D |
| 17:14.14 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: do you understand how MX records are used? |
| 17:14.15 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: im busy with replying to other people.. sec |
| 17:14.33 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: which IP is correct for your mailserver, 195.248.77.15 or 89.98.88.94? |
| 17:14.38 | torrr | hi, |
| 17:14.55 | torrr | is there a vmwareServer package for debian? |
| 17:15.05 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:15.09 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:15.19 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 17:15.20 | dpkg | from memory, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 17:15.27 | RedACE | that's a crazy ip |
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| 17:15.39 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: your mail server runs on 195.248.77.15 |
| 17:15.45 | torrr | so what should I do? |
| 17:15.54 | torrr | install from rpm, or from tar.gz? |
| 17:15.59 | wols_ | ask vmware.com not us |
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| 17:16.04 | wols_ | see the factoid |
| 17:16.06 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: no.. i think mx is pointing to it.. but my mailserver runs on 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:16.08 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: the MX record points to 89.98.88.94, and that host isnt running a exim |
| 17:16.12 | krifur | how can extend inactivity period on a ssh server ? |
| 17:16.18 | rgsteele | Hum. Anybody know of a good place to start looking for tweaking a database server's kernel? I'm trying to strip out all the fluff, and I'm pretty comfortable with rolling my own, but it'd be nice to read up on some good performance improving kernel-level options. |
| 17:16.19 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: fix you DNS |
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| 17:16.23 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: then you need to fix your firewall and/or router to port forward 25. |
| 17:16.32 | leeh | his dns is fine |
| 17:16.42 | RedACE | krifur: check the sshd_config man page for "timeout" |
| 17:16.42 | wols_ | leeh: it is not. his MX points to a wrong IP |
| 17:16.47 | RedACE | s/check/search/ |
| 17:16.53 | leeh | wols: he has said 89.98.88.94 is the right ip for mail :) |
| 17:16.58 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: strange.. cause i installed a mailserver on 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:17.01 | leeh | he just hasn't configured that box right |
| 17:17.04 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: yes |
| 17:17.04 | krifur | RedACE: thx |
| 17:17.11 | valdyn | leeh: right ip he THINKS, but not his mailservers real ip |
| 17:17.37 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: i already configured my router.. port 25 points to the webserver.. |
| 17:17.58 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: dude.. i know 100% for sure that the ip of the server is 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:18.21 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: what's 195.248.77.15 then? |
| 17:18.26 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: www.ansata.org is 195.248.77.15. but on that webserver runs NO exim |
| 17:18.29 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: as root, do iptables -L INPUT |
| 17:18.40 | leeh | (dont paste it all) |
| 17:18.41 | wols_ | and 89.98.88.94 is mail.ansata.org but I can't connect to that either |
| 17:18.48 | leeh | how many lines are there? |
| 17:19.02 | valdyn | wols_: i see a mail server on 195.248.77.15 |
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| 17:19.16 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: I know 100% for sure that my DNS server tells me www.ansata.org is 195.248.77.15 |
| 17:19.37 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn & wols_: that is the webserver where my website runs.. but the mailserver is a seperate server running on ip 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:19.47 | abrotman | yay MX record! |
| 17:20.02 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: so you have a mail server running on your webserver but not on your mail server |
| 17:20.05 | fuzzy_logic | brb |
| 17:20.08 | abrotman | mail.ansata.org. 14400 IN A 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:20.09 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: ok. according to valdyn you webserver has an exim, but your mailserver does not |
| 17:20.34 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 17:20.40 | abrotman | wols_: i concur! |
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| 17:20.53 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make a Debian package from a source archive (in this case from supertuxkart)? |
| 17:20.55 | abrotman | wols_: or it's at least not listening :) |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | !mg |
| 17:20.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 17:21.31 | stoned | !package basics |
| 17:21.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:22.01 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: maint guide might be a bit too much for you.. try package basics first |
| 17:22.03 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: what's wrong with debian's supertuxkart? |
| 17:22.05 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 17:22.22 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, oops, sry, s/supertuxkart/rocksndiamonds... |
| 17:22.31 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, nevertheless, it segfaults at start |
| 17:22.31 | abrotman | gah |
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| 17:22.40 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: same question, that was in debian too |
| 17:22.48 | fuzzy_logic | im back.. |
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| 17:23.00 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: you're wanting to build a binary deb from a source deb? |
| 17:23.05 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 17:23.38 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: i think that's true.. but i don't own the webserver.. so.. can you tell me how i can install exim? |
| 17:23.38 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: then in this case read the maint guide |
| 17:23.38 | HardDisk_WP | i want to make a binary .deb from a .tar.gz source |
| 17:23.39 | concept10 | How do I setup vesa fb so that tux will show on boot? Im sure I enabled all relevant options in the k config |
| 17:23.39 | stoned | HardDisk_WP: it WILL require lots of reading :) |
| 17:23.39 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: it should already be installed |
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| 17:23.44 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: debian needs an MTA |
| 17:23.52 | h3sp4wn | concept10: framebuffer working already ? |
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| 17:24.06 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: if you installed debian it's installed by default |
| 17:24.26 | leeh | ... but possibly not configured to be receiving mail from the internet |
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| 17:24.43 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: then it's not true that exim is not installed on 89.98.88.94 |
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| 17:25.01 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: ok. maybe firewalled |
| 17:25.01 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, No, I don't think so. I used the format you told me before (sort of) /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21.1 root=/dev/hda1 ro video=vesafb:1024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@601024x768-16@60 |
| 17:25.06 | wols_ | netstat -anp |grep 25 |
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| 17:25.18 | h3sp4wn | concept10: using radeonfb ? |
| 17:25.25 | r3set | hi there, maybe anyone knows how to set clock from gmt to localtime in debian? |
| 17:25.29 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: you could try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:25.34 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, this is a different box with a intel chipset |
| 17:25.35 | leeh | and make sure thats been setup right :p |
| 17:25.38 | h3sp4wn | concept10: vesafb has to use the vga=xxx syntax |
| 17:25.47 | r3set | cause base-config doesn't exist anymore |
| 17:25.53 | valdyn | r3set: vi /etc/default/rcS |
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| 17:26.07 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, such as this? http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Framebuffer:Bootsplash:Grubsplash#Kernel_mode_numbers |
| 17:26.08 | r3set | thank you, valdyn |
| 17:26.15 | wols_ | r3set: editor /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:26.21 | r3set | thx... |
| 17:26.26 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: thanks will try that |
| 17:26.39 | h3sp4wn | concept10: yes (or you can use vga-tng - building your own kernel its just a patch) |
| 17:26.50 | h3sp4wn | concept10: s/vga-tng/vesa-tng |
| 17:26.56 | leeh | theres a particular option that configures how mail is sent and received |
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| 17:27.08 | r3set | and set UTC=yes to no? |
| 17:27.17 | mutantpineapple | it's vesafb-tng isn't it? |
| 17:27.24 | r3set | okay... |
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| 17:28.11 | mutantpineapple | altho i just installed that patch and now bootsplash won't work :| |
| 17:28.39 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, thanks man, youre the best |
| 17:28.46 | stoned | concept10: no you're the best |
| 17:28.49 | fuzzy_logic | wich one should i choose: internet site; mail sent and received directly from smtp or mail sent by smarthost; received via smtp or fetchmail??? |
| 17:29.02 | concept10 | stoned, heh |
| 17:29.09 | leeh | internet site, mail sent and received directly from smtp. |
| 17:29.23 | leeh | unless |
| 17:29.24 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: are you in a dialup IP range? |
| 17:29.32 | concept10 | stoned, im the worst, it still doesnt work :) |
| 17:29.34 | leeh | you have an ISP mail server to send through |
| 17:29.37 | leeh | in which case you want the second. |
| 17:29.54 | concept10 | one more shot before i goto work |
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| 17:30.11 | stoned | concept10: I used bullshit advertising, lots of UTTER ABSOLUTE bullshit and put my PC up for sale on craig's list. Lets see if anyone is dumb enough to buy it. http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/321617677.html <-- look at the amount of bullshit advertising. HAHAHA. I don't NEED to sell it, I just wanna see if anyone in NYC is dumb enough :D |
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| 17:30.54 | _kaiser_ | hello, I am having problems with a short shell script, it is hanging on executing dd, can someone please take a look? http://rafb.net/p/wZeLAY43.html -- it is only about 5 lines. thank you. |
| 17:30.56 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: what does that mean? |
| 17:30.59 | wols_ | with 8million people? probably |
| 17:31.04 | concept10 | stoffell, heh |
| 17:31.04 | mutantpineapple | stoned: ever tried to make a mint on ebay? |
| 17:31.26 | fuzzy_logic | wich ip adress should listen on for incoming smtp connections? just my internal ip adress? |
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| 17:31.30 | concept10 | stoned, thats a monster box :) |
| 17:31.32 | hark | now, you advertised on irc too ;p |
| 17:31.40 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: probablyy 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:31.45 | Loevborg | Can someone help a gpg-newbie? I'm trying to verify a signature, e.g. from Sam Hocevar on d-d-a. In Enigmail, however, I get UNTRUSTED signature. I did sign the signature in "key management" though. Any idea? |
| 17:31.45 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: skip=$sectorb |
| 17:32.10 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: if that box only has an internal address, and your router has the external address |
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| 17:32.11 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: you presumably want skip=${sector}b |
| 17:32.13 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: why? $sector is the variable, and I need b as the suffix... |
| 17:32.18 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: oh |
| 17:32.20 | leeh | then the only thing it can listen on is the internal one |
| 17:32.24 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: but $sectorb is a variable named "sectorb" |
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| 17:32.40 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: yes.. that is the case.. so my internal ip is 10.10.10.209, should i use that one? |
| 17:32.46 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: ty :) |
| 17:32.56 | leeh | yes |
| 17:33.00 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: also, instead of doing output=`cat foo`; echo $output... |
| 17:33.15 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: why not just do cat out_write_stat |
| 17:33.36 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: was just trying to break it up more to find where it was hanging.... |
| 17:34.09 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: still, isn't that going to be saying skip=DONNIE JONESb ? |
| 17:34.14 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.14 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.14 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.14 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.21 | jetscreamer | hark: whell that's gay ( re k3b ) |
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| 17:34.43 | jetscreamer | thanks for the spammage, fuzzy_logic |
| 17:34.45 | torrr | hi, |
| 17:34.48 | jetscreamer | give us more... |
| 17:34.59 | fuzzy_logic | oops haha.. forgot the pastebin :P |
| 17:35.02 | torrr | I installed a new machine, and selected resolution beyond the screen capablity... |
| 17:35.11 | torrr | how do i remove resolutions? |
| 17:35.18 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: good catch, I made another error, ty |
| 17:35.21 | concept10 | that son of a bitch tux continues to elude me |
| 17:35.28 | fuzzy_logic | jetscreamer: lol :P |
| 17:35.29 | wols_ | !tell torrr about drxx |
| 17:35.43 | Loevborg | torrr: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 17:35.48 | jetscreamer | torrr: when you drxx, just take them off (the ones you don't want) or just handedit it |
| 17:36.16 | leeh | fuzzy_logic: that should just be your local subnet, BUT, and this is important, you need to ensure your router will not NAT inbound connections |
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| 17:36.21 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: So you want to read 29 bytes from hda at the given byte offset, or the given sector? |
| 17:36.27 | leeh | otherwise that will allow the entire internet to send mail through your server to anyone else. |
| 17:36.37 | h3sp4wn | concept10: grep LOGO /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 17:36.48 | fuzzy_logic | leeh: well.. i just left that blank.. we'll see what happens |
| 17:36.49 | torrr | jetscreamer, hand edit what file? |
| 17:36.50 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: yea, trying to read 29bytes at the offset given by the sector number |
| 17:37.03 | leeh | noone but that machine itself will be allowed to send mail using that server |
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| 17:37.14 | jetscreamer | torrr: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but ALWAYS make a backup before editing |
| 17:37.22 | torrr | ok |
| 17:37.25 | fuzzy_logic | alright.. so now i finished configuring exim |
| 17:37.29 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: works now! thank you. :) |
| 17:37.39 | fuzzy_logic | should everying work fine if i configured it well? |
| 17:37.42 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: aha, I was confused and thinking "b" means byte, but it really means half-K block |
| 17:37.52 | leeh | are there any known problems with debians xorg, and having a monitor and tv in different resolutions? |
| 17:38.11 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, CONFIG_LOGO=y# CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_MONO is not set# CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16 is not setCONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=y |
| 17:38.12 | \amethyst | leeh: Do you plan on using Xinerama? |
| 17:38.15 | abrotman | tvs are vastly different than monitor |
| 17:38.16 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: still no connection to 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:38.18 | leeh | because my latest apt update broke it |
| 17:38.25 | leeh | and I am not using xinerama |
| 17:38.27 | h3sp4wn | concept10: and what vga= line are you using ? |
| 17:38.34 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: :) yep |
| 17:38.34 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: what are you trying to do? |
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| 17:38.40 | wols_ | telnet 89.98.88.94 25 |
| 17:38.45 | wols_ | port 80 is working btw |
| 17:38.50 | jetscreamer | you need fb for logo eh |
| 17:38.56 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.21.1 root=/dev/hda1 ro video=vesafb vga=0x317 |
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| 17:39.03 | wols_ | and 89.98.88.94 is a freebsd box |
| 17:39.05 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: any way I can echo $dd to make sure it is executing all the correct parameters? |
| 17:39.07 | h3sp4wn | concept10: what resolution do you want ? |
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| 17:39.15 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: echo $dd, didn't work...? |
| 17:39.24 | leeh | I just have two screens defined, one to the left of the other |
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| 17:39.30 | jetscreamer | your video= is weird |
| 17:39.32 | jetscreamer | to me |
| 17:39.35 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: there are 2 servers here.. a webserver and a mailserver.. 1 is freebsd and 1 is debian.. only the debian is mine |
| 17:39.38 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: You want to print the output of dd, or the command line you used? |
| 17:39.38 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, doesnt matter as long as I see 2 X tux :) |
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| 17:39.52 | h3sp4wn | concept10: 1280x1024 ? |
| 17:39.54 | RedACE | are you sure you want to accept incoming spam^M^M^M^Mmail? |
| 17:40.02 | wols_ | mail.ansata.org is 89.98.88.94 and that is a freebsd box |
| 17:40.05 | mutantpineapple | try vga=794 for 1280x1024? |
| 17:40.06 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: I want to print dd with the actual arguments it used... ${sector} show the real sector number. |
| 17:40.08 | wols_ | hence it's a freebsd mail problem |
| 17:40.12 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, that or 1024x768 |
| 17:40.19 | hark | jetscreamer: heh, though the new k3b looks pretty cool |
| 17:40.20 | mutantpineapple | and you shouldn't need video= in there |
| 17:40.26 | h3sp4wn | concept10: # defoptions=vga=794 |
| 17:40.35 | jetscreamer | yes it does, hark |
| 17:40.41 | h3sp4wn | concept10: (1024x768 is vga=792) |
| 17:40.43 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: you can set -x before the command, and set +x after it |
| 17:40.44 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 17:40.44 | dpkg | methinks hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 17:40.50 | hark | is 791 |
| 17:40.53 | jetscreamer | run hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 17:40.54 | mutantpineapple | h3sp4wn: i thought it was 791? |
| 17:41.01 | jetscreamer | run hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 17:41.04 | h3sp4wn | mutantpineapple: thats 64k colours |
| 17:41.09 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: strange.. maybe the freebsd box also has mail enabled.. only we don't use that feature |
| 17:41.10 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: If you're using bash |
| 17:41.11 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, so erase the kernel options after the image? |
| 17:41.17 | dclarke | how do I get debian to detect my monitor and allow me to change the resolution ? am stuck at 1024x768 |
| 17:41.27 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: it doesn't |
| 17:41.31 | wols_ | you were told before: FIX your DNS |
| 17:41.34 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: Actually, I guess set -x is in posix sh too |
| 17:41.41 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: can you not just edit xorg.conf? |
| 17:41.47 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: what exactly needs to be fixed? |
| 17:41.51 | valdyn | !drxx dclarke |
| 17:41.51 | dpkg | dclarke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:41.53 | wols_ | until the mx record points to the proper server, mail will never work |
| 17:41.55 | \amethyst | _kaiser_: btw there's no need to capture the output of dd with `` |
| 17:42.01 | dclarke | umm .. dunno .. isn't there something automagic ? |
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| 17:42.13 | RedACE | `` doesn't "capture output" |
| 17:42.21 | \amethyst | RedACE: oh? |
| 17:42.25 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I just use that in defoptions (so it doesn't happen for the recovery kernels) |
| 17:42.25 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: go with the dpkg-reconfigure then |
| 17:42.33 | RedACE | it's executes in a subshell |
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| 17:42.51 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, update-grub or initramfs? |
| 17:42.55 | chop1 | RedACE: It both executes in a subshell and captures output. |
| 17:43.00 | \amethyst | RedACE: It executes in a subshell and evaluates to the output of the command |
| 17:43.01 | _kaiser_ | \amethyst: thanks, I think I got all I need. :) |
| 17:43.38 | fuzzy_logic | call me crazy.. but i get this when digging mx for my domain: ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: |
| 17:43.38 | fuzzy_logic | mail.ansata.org. 14400 IN A 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:43.47 | RedACE | it doesn't capture anything |
| 17:43.56 | RedACE | it's just a subshell |
| 17:43.58 | \amethyst | RedACE: Bullshit |
| 17:44.01 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: and 89.98.88.94 is a BSD box |
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| 17:44.19 | \amethyst | RedACE: try this foo=`echo blah` |
| 17:44.41 | valdyn | wols_: hah |
| 17:44.41 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: so it's no debian problem, is it? |
| 17:44.41 | RedACE | amethyst: the foo= is doing the capturing |
| 17:44.41 | RedACE | not the `` |
| 17:44.46 | RedACE | it's fine if you don't want to believe me. I don't care. |
| 17:44.47 | \amethyst | RedACE: could you please read man bash |
| 17:44.59 | RedACE | read it to you? |
| 17:44.59 | dclarke | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 17:45.14 | \amethyst | RedACE: In particular the "Command Substitution" section |
| 17:45.18 | wols_ | dclarke: if you don't know what this is, read the debian manual |
| 17:45.19 | concept10 | I wish someone would make a book of all manpages so I could read on toilet. |
| 17:45.23 | wols_ | !tell dclarke about grounding |
| 17:45.28 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: there are 2 boxes behind that ip.. 1 is freebsd and 1 is debian.. when you do a search to 89.98.88.94 you will probably get the info that it's a freebsd box cause that's the main server.. but i think mail is forwarded to debian |
| 17:45.34 | valdyn | concept10: mapages are made for easy printing |
| 17:45.39 | \amethyst | RedACE: Then how about `echo ls /` |
| 17:45.50 | valdyn | concept10: and yes, there's books that are basically just a printout of manpages |
| 17:45.59 | mutantpineapple | valdyn: but few printers are able to handle flushable paper :( |
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| 17:46.08 | RedACE | \amethyst, what about it? |
| 17:46.16 | RedACE | did it capture anything? |
| 17:46.20 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: considering I can't get a connection on port 25: I don't believe you |
| 17:46.28 | \amethyst | RedACE: Care to explain why that doesn't print "ls /" |
| 17:46.31 | concept10 | mutantpineapple, who would want to flush a precious manpage? |
| 17:46.52 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: fix that before you ask for help about exim in here again |
| 17:46.52 | mutantpineapple | concept10: "desperate times..." |
| 17:46.57 | RedACE | why would it? |
| 17:47.09 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: cause otherwise it's moot to fix exim: it won't help |
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| 17:47.21 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: i forwarded port 25 in my router to the debian pc.. so nothing can be wrong with that.. right? |
| 17:47.26 | \amethyst | RedACE: It wouldn't... |
| 17:47.26 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: run wget valdyn.us.to on that debian box, i'll tell you the ip |
| 17:47.35 | mutantpineapple | concept10: i refer to those beautiful moments of human helplessness when the bog roll is slightly out of reach |
| 17:47.37 | \amethyst | RedACE: Perhaps we mean different things by "capture" |
| 17:47.38 | Petrov | hello, what is netstd? |
| 17:47.48 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: leeh asked you something, I asked you something else. you haven't answered either |
| 17:47.55 | RedACE | \amethyst, perhaps. I think by "capture" you mean "execute in a subshell" |
| 17:48.00 | concept10 | mutantpineapple, or out completely :) |
| 17:48.05 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: i missed what you asked.. what did you ask? |
| 17:48.18 | wols_ | if something is actually listening on port 25 |
| 17:48.24 | wols_ | but what leeh asked is more important |
| 17:48.32 | \amethyst | RedACE: It's doing more than just executing in a subshell... the output of the command inside the `` is broken into words and substituted for the `` expression |
| 17:48.48 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: this: 88.217.35.254 |
| 17:48.53 | chop1 | RedACE: He means "redirect stdout, such that all the output of the subshelled command is substituted into the command line at the `` position", which to me sounds a lot like capturing |
| 17:48.57 | RedACE | right, that's called stdout |
| 17:49.02 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: i got a wget request from 89.98.88.94 |
| 17:49.03 | dclarke | man dpkg-reconfigure does not help |
| 17:49.17 | dclarke | it has nothing to do with Xorg as near as I can see |
| 17:49.20 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: see.. that is the debian box.. |
| 17:49.27 | chop1 | RedACE: If you say, for example, man `echo foo | s/foo/printf`, you'll get the printf man page |
| 17:49.30 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: what did leeh ask? |
| 17:49.49 | \amethyst | RedACE: Would you care to explain why sh -c 'echo ls'; does something different from `echo ls` |
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| 17:49.56 | wols_ | dclarke: if it's the GUI resolution it has EVERYTHING to do with xorg |
| 17:50.02 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: right, and mail server is running on it just fine |
| 17:50.02 | \amethyst | RedACE: because sh -c 'echo ls' executes a subshell too |
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| 17:50.07 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic: if your firewall blocks anything |
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| 17:50.17 | dclarke | the man page does not even mention Xorg |
| 17:50.21 | dclarke | I don't get it |
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| 17:50.34 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: why would it mention xorg? |
| 17:50.42 | chop1 | RedACE: Instead of 'printf' going to your console |
| 17:50.50 | mutantpineapple | it's for configuring packages |
| 17:50.56 | fuzzy_logic | wols_: how can i see that? |
| 17:50.57 | valdyn | fuzzy_logic: now the MX record is empty though |
| 17:51.01 | mutantpineapple | xserver-xorg is a package |
| 17:51.29 | dclarke | this dpkg-reconfigure thing does not help .. its not Xorg |
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| 17:51.37 | dclarke | I'll go look for some xorg.conf file |
| 17:51.38 | wols_ | valdyn: you get a connection? |
| 17:51.39 | wols_ | Trying 89.98.88.94... |
| 17:51.39 | wols_ | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 17:51.39 | fuzzy_logic | valdyn: not really.. i get some feedback when i do a dig |
| 17:51.41 | dclarke | hack at it .. maybe |
| 17:51.48 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:51.48 | wols_ | I tried from two different IPs (germany and sweden) |
| 17:51.57 | dclarke | oh .. |
| 17:52.00 | valdyn | wols_: on 89.98.88.94? works from here |
| 17:52.04 | dclarke | oh .. er |
| 17:52.13 | wols_ | valdyn: see my pasting above |
| 17:52.14 | dclarke | can I do that while logged in or only from a text terminal |
| 17:52.16 | dclarke | can I do that while logged in or only from a text terminal ? |
| 17:52.28 | wols_ | dclarke: console only |
| 17:52.30 | fuzzy_logic | sorry people.. i have to go.. cya.. thanks for helping :) |
| 17:52.33 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: nope, you can't be running X at the time |
| 17:52.37 | dclarke | so then .. thats tricky |
| 17:52.44 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: not really |
| 17:52.50 | mutantpineapple | just close X for a second |
| 17:52.50 | dclarke | a regualr user will not be able to do that |
| 17:53.08 | mutantpineapple | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:53.10 | wols_ | dclarke: killall -9 X (also kill your displaymanager if you have one) |
| 17:53.14 | mutantpineapple | replace gdm with your dm |
| 17:53.27 | HardDisk_WP | *aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa* |
| 17:53.28 | wols_ | dclarke: a regular user can't your dpkg-reconfigure either |
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| 17:53.32 | wols_ | you must be root. no other way |
| 17:53.37 | HardDisk_WP | rotten NVIDIA proprietary driver |
| 17:53.40 | mutantpineapple | ah that sort of regular user |
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| 17:53.48 | valdyn | dclarke: regular users can use xrandr |
| 17:53.53 | dclarke | I'm not about to do that .. I have a user that needs to reconfig the desktop resolution and the GNOME esktop has a Resolution selector thingy .. that does not work |
| 17:53.57 | HardDisk_WP | they fuck up flightgear and supertuxkart |
| 17:54.20 | wols_ | dclarke: you might have to execute drxx to enable it so the suer can do it |
| 17:54.23 | mutantpineapple | HardDisk_WP: flgithgear works for me |
| 17:54.31 | HardDisk_WP | here it segfaults |
| 17:54.35 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 17:54.41 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: it only takes a second |
| 17:54.44 | valdyn | dclarke: the vesa driver might not support xrandr, i dont know which other server does not either. Guess some old ones |
| 17:54.45 | chop1 | HardDisk_WP: File a bug? |
| 17:54.58 | HardDisk_WP | did already for supertuxkart |
| 17:55.10 | dclarke | aequitas:/etc# xrandr -q |
| 17:55.10 | dclarke | Can't open display |
| 17:55.24 | valdyn | dclarke: you used 'su' |
| 17:55.25 | dclarke | aequitas:/etc# man drxx |
| 17:55.25 | dclarke | No manual entry for drxx |
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| 17:55.32 | valdyn | geez |
| 17:55.34 | dclarke | this is all a bloody mystery |
| 17:55.45 | wols_ | dclarke: you're just dense. that's all |
| 17:55.46 | wols_ | !drxx |
| 17:55.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:56.06 | valdyn | dclarke: because you dont read. using the 'su' program you cant access X at all by default |
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| 17:56.37 | abrotman | dclarke: now now .. be nice :) |
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| 17:56.45 | dclarke | he called me dense |
| 17:56.48 | dclarke | he started it |
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| 17:57.13 | mutantpineapple | dclarke: your other alternative is to edit xorg.conf in X and then save it and hit ctrl-alt-backspace straight after ;) |
| 17:57.14 | abrotman | dclarke: be nice to wols_ .. he's mentally challenged :) |
| 17:57.43 | wols_ | abrotman: here in kindergarden we all are. "he started it Miss Hoover!" |
| 17:57.46 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/1gH3Mr58.html |
| 17:57.53 | stoned | concept10: monster box? heheh |
| 17:57.58 | dclarke | xrandr seens to report nice things |
| 17:58.18 | valdyn | dclarke: so now the problem is what? |
| 17:58.32 | dclarke | a user .. not me .. is stuck at 1024x768 |
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| 17:58.39 | dclarke | and I don't know what to tell him |
| 17:58.40 | wols_ | stoned: you speaking about 3GHz CPU is kinda deceptive advertising since it's OCed |
| 17:58.41 | valdyn | dclarke: why cant he run xrandr? |
| 17:58.50 | stoned | wols_: of course |
| 17:58.57 | dclarke | ummm .. because I just discovered it |
| 17:59.01 | stoned | wols_: like I said... waitin on someone dumb enough to buy it :) |
| 17:59.18 | dclarke | 3GHz AMD Opteron AMD256 has been out for a while |
| 17:59.23 | dclarke | they are real sweet |
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| 17:59.31 | wols_ | stoned: I meant the user could renege after buying since you didn't say that anywhere |
| 17:59.39 | wols_ | depending on consumer protection laws |
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| 18:00.07 | stoned | wols_: like I said.. I don't need/want to sell it, I just wanna see |
| 18:00.14 | valdyn | advertising wrongly with intent gives you a hefty fee here, if the buyer choses to sue |
| 18:00.15 | abrotman | dclarke: what does he want ? |
| 18:00.41 | dclarke | he wants better resolution than 1024x768 |
| 18:00.59 | abrotman | dclarke: which card is it? is the monitor capable? |
| 18:01.02 | dclarke | I was thinking that the machine would detect the monior capabilities at boot and then adjust xorg on the fly |
| 18:01.04 | dclarke | guess not |
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| 18:01.18 | valdyn | abrotman: i think his problem is fixed already |
| 18:01.24 | dclarke | the monitor is some high end flat panel job |
| 18:01.29 | wols_ | dclarke: how are you connected? remote X? |
| 18:01.31 | BUMBACL0T | what's the diff between a system user and a regular user? |
| 18:01.40 | dclarke | no connection to me at all |
| 18:01.46 | dclarke | totally separate subnet |
| 18:01.49 | dclarke | far away |
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| 18:01.54 | valdyn | Bulldog: none? |
| 18:02.00 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: none? |
| 18:02.02 | wols_ | dclarke: then connect via SSH? |
| 18:02.09 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: those 2 terms are your invention |
| 18:02.12 | wols_ | cause what is on your machine might not be on his |
| 18:02.22 | \amethyst | RedACE: If you strace -f sh -c '`/bin/echo ls`' you'll see that the parent creates a pipe to the subshell, and the subshell dups the writing end of the pipe to stdin before calling echo. So instead of going to the parent shell's stdout, the output of echo gets sent over a pipe to the parent shell, where it is split into words and substituted into the command line |
| 18:02.42 | RedACE | wow, are you still talking? |
| 18:02.44 | \amethyst | RedACE: It's that pipe/dup combo that I was referring to when I said "capture" |
| 18:02.45 | chop1 | \amethyst: I think he figured it out, you can declare victory now :-) |
| 18:02.46 | dclarke | no connection .. no way |
| 18:03.09 | BUMBACL0T | how come i can access my ftp locally but not remotely; everything is fixed, my ftp server's ip is DMZ'd; im using vsftpd |
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| 18:03.28 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 18:03.28 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 18:03.33 | wols_ | cause FTP is n awful protocol |
| 18:03.35 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: read ^^^ |
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| 18:03.51 | valdyn | BUMBACL0T: its a serious article, despite the flamish name |
| 18:04.04 | unlink | trevor@kappa:~$ dd if=/dev/zero | ssh localhost 'cat >/dev/null' |
| 18:04.05 | unlink | Read from remote host localhost: Connection reset by peer |
| 18:04.24 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: does your ftp server run from inetd, or is it a daemon? |
| 18:04.26 | r3set | valdyn: i set utc to yes, but it didn't help anything |
| 18:04.37 | wols_ | ericx: did you reboot? |
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| 18:04.45 | r3set | utc was set to no |
| 18:04.55 | r3set | problem is: windows is also installed on that machine (not my machine) |
| 18:05.02 | wols_ | r3set: what do you want to do? |
| 18:05.10 | r3set | vi /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:05.10 | wols_ | is your BIOS running on UTC or on local time? |
| 18:05.10 | valdyn | r3set: and you are expecting the system to react instantly to you editing a config file? |
| 18:05.17 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, daemon, i think, i ran it with /etc/init.d/vsftpd start |
| 18:05.26 | r3set | no valdyn |
| 18:05.33 | r3set | he did restart his computer |
| 18:05.38 | dclarke | damn .. gotta run .. be right back .. damn damn users ! |
| 18:05.47 | valdyn | r3set: and now what? |
| 18:05.49 | abrotman | they keep you employed! |
| 18:05.49 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: what ports did you forward to your ftp server? |
| 18:05.55 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: as for system/normal user: a system user is an account, usually in debian having UID<1000, that is used for running daemons etc and not by real people |
| 18:05.56 | r3set | and now... still 2 hours difference |
| 18:06.05 | r3set | i'm helping another person, ya know =) |
| 18:06.08 | wols_ | r3set: is your BIOS running on UTC or on local time? |
| 18:06.08 | valdyn | r3set: timezone? |
| 18:06.14 | r3set | difficult to say what's up there |
| 18:06.25 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 18:06.25 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:06.27 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Can you connect to the server from inside your local network? |
| 18:06.42 | wols_ | abrotman: he said he can |
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| 18:06.57 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes i can access it locally |
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| 18:07.06 | BUMBACL0T | using 192.168.1.100 |
| 18:07.09 | BUMBACL0T | not my real ip |
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| 18:07.19 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: what ports did you forward to your ftp server? |
| 18:07.24 | h3sp4wn | BUMBACL0T: I take it you are testing it from outside ? |
| 18:07.40 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, 40000-50000 for pasv |
| 18:07.44 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: What's the failure mode when you try accessing it remotely? Do you never even get a login prompt? |
| 18:07.45 | BUMBACL0T | h3sp4wn, yes |
| 18:07.53 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: and configured vsftpd to use them? |
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| 18:07.57 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:08.00 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, yes |
| 18:08.12 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: port 20,21 forwarded too? |
| 18:08.20 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, yes |
| 18:08.30 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, the ip is dmz'd too |
| 18:08.31 | BUMBACL0T | Error:Unable to connect! |
| 18:08.31 | BUMBACL0T | Status:Waiting to retry... (5 retries left) |
| 18:08.33 | abrotman | wols_: ? |
| 18:08.57 | wols_ | reply to \amethyst |
| 18:09.02 | wols_ | he has a shitty nick |
| 18:09.22 | \amethyst | wols_: not my fault the scandinavians made \ a letter :) |
| 18:09.28 | BUMBACL0T | so any idea |
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| 18:09.48 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: can you turn up the verbosity on your ftp client? |
| 18:09.59 | wols_ | \amethyst: for a irc nick it is crap. even when the finnish invented irc (they have a lot ot answer for for that one) |
| 18:10.01 | BUMBACL0T | someone said something about my /etc/hosts.allow and add this line "vsftpd : ALL : ALL" |
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| 18:10.19 | \amethyst | !nickometer \amethyst |
| 18:10.21 | dpkg | '\amethyst' is 0.000% lame, \amethyst |
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| 18:10.31 | \amethyst | At least dpkg likes me |
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| 18:10.38 | wols_ | dpkg: traitor |
| 18:11.11 | mscman | quick question for anyone here, is it possible to do an etch install using a sarge netboot disc if i just change the repos? |
| 18:11.16 | mscman | or has the installer changed significantly? |
| 18:11.21 | BUMBACL0T | i've been having this problem in a while man |
| 18:11.37 | wols_ | mscman: install sarge and update |
| 18:11.45 | wols_ | mscman: much much better |
| 18:11.49 | mscman | ok |
| 18:11.56 | mscman | wasn't sure if i could just go straight to it |
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| 18:12.06 | mscman | thanks though |
| 18:12.10 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Can you sniff packets at the router? |
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| 18:12.23 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: see if they're actually getting sent through to the machine |
| 18:12.43 | BUMBACL0T | ok, let me reexplain |
| 18:13.02 | P-K | What package in etch do I need to install to get mysql_config? |
| 18:13.14 | wols_ | !tell P-K about search |
| 18:13.19 | unlink | SSH connections to this one machine reset the connection after a certain amount of data has been transferred. This only happens for things over ssh (svn+ssh, sftp, rsync+ssh, etc) and only to this one host. non-ssh connections are not affected, and the connection never times out if never reaches that maximum data amount. |
| 18:13.35 | BUMBACL0T | when i 192.168.1.101 (windows) -> 192.168.1.100 (debian), it works |
| 18:13.37 | P-K | I have searched apt-cache and can't find it. |
| 18:13.53 | BUMBACL0T | but when i use my windows machine to access my debian system, it doesn't |
| 18:14.07 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: how many NICs on the ftp server? |
| 18:14.08 | P-K | As far as I can tell it's not in any of the packages. |
| 18:14.15 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, one |
| 18:14.26 | cwheeler | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.29 | mscman | BUMBACL0T, i assume you've checked the firewall |
| 18:14.37 | mscman | on the debian box |
| 18:14.39 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Wait... you just said that when you go from windows to debian it works, but when you go from windows to debian it doesn't work |
| 18:14.48 | mscman | that sounds like an iptables problem |
| 18:14.58 | BUMBACL0T | locally( i meant 192.168.*), downloads and uploads work* |
| 18:15.00 | wols_ | P-K: you didn't look hard enough |
| 18:15.02 | wols_ | it exists |
| 18:15.16 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: both of these machines have a real IP address? |
| 18:15.18 | mscman | cwheeler, i ran google earth with no problems |
| 18:15.32 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, nope, i only have one ip |
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| 18:16.01 | cwheeler | thanks mscman |
| 18:16.07 | mscman | no problem |
| 18:16.10 | BUMBACL0T | everytime access my REAL ip, it doesn't work |
| 18:16.16 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: So when you go from the Windows machine (inside your network) to your real IP it doesn't work |
| 18:16.19 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: aha |
| 18:16.23 | unlink | this problem has been troubling me for months. |
| 18:16.29 | BUMBACL0T | ssh works though |
| 18:16.30 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Have you tried coming at your network from outside? |
| 18:16.35 | unlink | i am at a total loss why it is happening. |
| 18:16.38 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, you wanna try it? |
| 18:16.54 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: same IP you're ircing from? |
| 18:17.04 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: you mean accessing your real ip from inside? that's normal: routers have shitty NAT |
| 18:17.10 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: I got connection refused |
| 18:17.12 | wols_ | linux NAT can do it. routers almost never. that's normal |
| 18:17.24 | BUMBACL0T | yeah, but let me pm you the info |
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| 18:18.19 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: I don't mean invalid login, I mean connection refused |
| 18:18.35 | BUMBACL0T | still, i used diff port |
| 18:18.43 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: yes, same thing with the other port |
| 18:18.56 | BUMBACL0T | i know, im gettin the same problem |
| 18:19.12 | BUMBACL0T | i don't think it's my setup |
| 18:19.15 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: do you get "connection refused" or something else? |
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| 18:19.21 | BUMBACL0T | yeah, same thing |
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| 18:19.33 | HardDisk_WP | can I build, install and use a 2.6.21 kernel with Debian Testing/unstable? |
| 18:19.47 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: yeah, I can connect to your ssh port but not ftp |
| 18:20.13 | mscman | HardDisk_WP, you should be able to |
| 18:20.15 | mscman | i don't see why not |
| 18:20.23 | HardDisk_WP | good |
| 18:20.27 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: yes |
| 18:20.36 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: So the question is whether the router is failing to forward the packets, or whether your computer is rejecting them |
| 18:20.41 | HardDisk_WP | must I configure the kernel manually or can make-kpkg do that? |
| 18:20.41 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: debian never ever had problems with vanilla kernel sources |
| 18:20.46 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 18:20.47 | wols_ | manually |
| 18:20.59 | wols_ | you can copy the old .config and do a make oldconfig |
| 18:21.03 | dclarke | http://rafb.net/p/KNzmr888.html resolution sucks |
| 18:21.07 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Do you have anything in your vsftp logs about connection attempts? |
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| 18:21.23 | BUMBACL0T | this is how i did it: groupadd ftpusersgroup, useradd -G ftpusersgroup -d /home/ftpdirectory myuser; chown myuser:ftpusersgroup /home/ftpdirectory; chmod 777 /home/ftpdirectory |
| 18:21.24 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i used a stack kernel image up to now...where to get its .config? |
| 18:21.25 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: or in your firewall's discarded-packet log? |
| 18:21.27 | wols_ | dclarke: drxx |
| 18:21.37 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: /boot/config-* |
| 18:21.44 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 18:22.02 | wols_ | ind the kernelsource the file will be .config |
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| 18:22.28 | dclarke | can I just drop this into the Xorg.conf and then reboot ? http://rafb.net/p/phmi9051.txt |
| 18:22.29 | BUMBACL0T | what do you think? |
| 18:22.30 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: what does netstat -atp | grep :ftp say? |
| 18:23.03 | dclarke | no .. never mind .. the user does not have a SONY CPD-G40 |
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| 18:23.48 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, none |
| 18:23.48 | BUMBACL0T | tcp 0 0 *:55 *:* LISTEN 28761/vsftpd |
| 18:23.56 | BUMBACL0T | netstat -atp | grep ftp |
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| 18:23.59 | wols_ | dclarke: I dunno about what you want to "throw in" but no reboot necessary |
| 18:24.03 | wols_ | and the debian way is drxx |
| 18:24.06 | funky | is there any way to remove a package which was removed but not purged? how can I remove those config-files without re-installing it and purging it |
| 18:24.16 | chop1 | funky: Just purge it |
| 18:24.16 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: is it supposed to be running on port 55? |
| 18:24.22 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst. yes |
| 18:24.23 | wols_ | funky: you can't remove a package twice... |
| 18:24.31 | wols_ | funky: you can purge it tho: man dpkg |
| 18:24.33 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: and the firewall is forwarding to port 55 not port 21? |
| 18:24.58 | funky | wols_: I tried it, dpkg -P package, but it says that the package doesnt exit |
| 18:25.00 | wols_ | dclarke: not must |
| 18:25.00 | funky | exist* |
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| 18:25.05 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, no, plus my ftpserver's ip is dmz'd (192.168.1.100) |
| 18:25.09 | chop1 | funky: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 18:25.17 | wols_ | funky: precise dpkg line please |
| 18:25.19 | funky | chop1: that wont work |
| 18:25.25 | chop1 | funky: ? |
| 18:25.27 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: so what does the rule on the firewall about FTP say? |
| 18:25.29 | chop1 | funky: What does it say? |
| 18:25.36 | funky | dpkg -P linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15-21-386 |
| 18:25.39 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, what do you mean |
| 18:25.44 | funky | FATAL: Could not open '/boot/System.map-2.6.15-21-386': No such file or directory |
| 18:25.45 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.50 | funky | ops |
| 18:25.53 | wols_ | funky: your line was wrong |
| 18:25.57 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: you want to be able to connect to the FTP at your real IP address, right? |
| 18:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 18:26.10 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:26.26 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: So the firewall needs to be told to pass along that FTP traffic to 192.168.1.100 port 55 |
| 18:26.28 | BUMBACL0T | 192.168.1.100/101 -> my real ip |
| 18:26.36 | funky | I think I know what is happening, IIRC I removed that file by hand, now dpkg complains about it |
| 18:26.47 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yeah, it's forwarded |
| 18:26.52 | funky | wols_: is there a way to force it anyway? |
| 18:26.56 | funky | why was my line wrong ? |
| 18:26.57 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: what exactly is the forward rule? |
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| 18:27.12 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, what rule? |
| 18:27.18 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: in the firewall |
| 18:27.22 | wols_ | cause -21-386 is not part of the package name |
| 18:27.29 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Or did you just open up port 55 or something? |
| 18:27.30 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i know, but what rule? like what? |
| 18:27.30 | wols_ | funky: dpkg --force-help |
| 18:27.36 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:27.55 | funky | wols_: oki |
| 18:28.00 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i don't remember forwarding anything, i think i just opened it |
| 18:28.04 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: You have to tell the firewall which machine you want the traffic to go to... |
| 18:28.08 | BUMBACL0T | damn |
| 18:28.23 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, you got a linksys router too? |
| 18:28.27 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: nope |
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| 18:28.33 | \amethyst | I use my Linux machine as the router |
| 18:28.50 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 18:28.59 | BUMBACL0T | so, what's the problem |
| 18:29.45 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, i have a amd athlon xp cpu...what arch to select? |
| 18:29.48 | HardDisk_WP | cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3000+ @ 2.17GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] |
| 18:29.54 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: k7 |
| 18:29.56 | unlink | dropbear running on this machine works fine. only openssh sshd has this problem. |
| 18:30.02 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst: |
| 18:30.03 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, thx |
| 18:30.05 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst: |
| 18:30.06 | BUMBACL0T | Triggered RangeForwarded Range |
| 18:30.06 | BUMBACL0T | ApplicationStart PortEnd PortStart portEnd Port |
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| 18:30.28 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: yes... is there an entry in that table for FTP? |
| 18:30.37 | thelostbutler | hello folks how does one enable sftp on a system ? |
| 18:30.41 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, that shit is empty |
| 18:31.00 | dclarke | I am not dense .. there is no drxx command here anywhere |
| 18:31.09 | wols_ | !tell dclarke about drxx |
| 18:31.14 | dclarke | aequitas:~# aptitude -v search drxx reports nothing |
| 18:31.16 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, so what port and to which should i put 55 ? |
| 18:31.21 | wols_ | dclarke: I think that's the third time I told you. need more? |
| 18:31.30 | dclarke | yes .. |
| 18:31.33 | dclarke | once more please |
| 18:31.34 | wols_ | dclarke: I think that's the third time I told you. need more? |
| 18:31.39 | wols_ | !tell dclarke about drxx |
| 18:31.43 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: moment, reading up on linksys |
| 18:31.48 | chop1 | dclarke: You _are_ dense. I saw wols_ tell dpkg to tell you about drxx about an hour ago. |
| 18:31.50 | torrr | how do I set 32 bit color depth? |
| 18:32.02 | wols_ | !tell torr about drxx |
| 18:32.05 | dclarke | what is this dpkg thing ? |
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| 18:32.14 | wols_ | !tell dclarke about grounding |
| 18:32.17 | dclarke | wtf is going on here ? |
| 18:32.17 | wols_ | !dpkg |
| 18:32.17 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program |
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| 18:32.32 | chop1 | dclarke: It's a bot that stores information, and regurgitates it on command. |
| 18:32.33 | wols_ | dpkg: who are you? |
| 18:32.33 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 18:32.42 | chop1 | dclarke: For one example, you could type, "/mpg dpkg drxx" |
| 18:32.47 | chop1 | In fact, I'd highly recommend it :-) |
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| 18:33.02 | wols_ | dclarke: dpkg is the wises entity in this channel |
| 18:33.23 | torrr | wols_, I did it and it gave me only up to 24bit |
| 18:33.24 | dclarke | why does wols_ keep saying "!tell dclarke about drxx" ?? |
| 18:33.31 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: actually, it's not that table, that's for triggering |
| 18:33.37 | mutantpineapple | torrr: 24 is 32 to all intents and purposes |
| 18:34.01 | wols_ | torrr: and that is bad how? |
| 18:34.04 | torrr | mutantpineapple, not when you try to resume a freenx session it is not |
| 18:34.06 | chop1 | dclarke: For the answer to that you must look deep inside yourself |
| 18:34.10 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, yeah |
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| 18:34.32 | torrr | wols_, see prev^^A^ |
| 18:34.36 | jetscreamer | dclarke: because you are ignoring the bot it seems |
| 18:34.36 | wols_ | dclarke: cause you ask for the same thing over and over |
| 18:34.53 | dclarke | what bot ! |
| 18:34.53 | jetscreamer | when he does what wols_ says |
| 18:34.54 | dclarke | you people don't even speak english |
| 18:34.56 | dclarke | I give up |
| 18:35.00 | dclarke | gone to google |
| 18:35.02 | dclarke | and good luck |
| 18:35.03 | torrr | wols_, I need 32 bit |
| 18:35.03 | mutantpineapple | :| |
| 18:35.07 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 18:35.09 | wols_ | dclarke: dpkg messaged you several times |
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| 18:35.10 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:35.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 18:35.15 | jetscreamer | that bot |
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| 18:35.21 | stoned | jetscreamer: dude I JUST NOW read your email |
| 18:35.22 | wols_ | amd dpkg said this several times in the channel |
| 18:35.25 | chop1 | He's gone. |
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| 18:35.32 | jetscreamer | stoned: i sent you email? |
| 18:35.33 | chop1 | Already I miss him. |
| 18:35.38 | wols_ | he's a dense idiot |
| 18:35.40 | jetscreamer | stoned: oh, the auto-spam |
| 18:35.42 | stoned | jetscreamer: like a month ago |
| 18:35.44 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, does UPnP has something to do with this? |
| 18:35.45 | wols_ | chop1: he will be back. sunday |
| 18:35.45 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: didn't you say you set up a port forward at some point? |
| 18:35.45 | jetscreamer | when you signed up |
| 18:35.48 | mutantpineapple | he must have wondered why someone was immediately responding to ! commands with huge blocks of text |
| 18:35.50 | stoned | jetscreamer: no |
| 18:35.54 | jetscreamer | oh that email then |
| 18:35.57 | stoned | jetscreamer: about me coming to your galla |
| 18:35.58 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: not really. you need to port forward |
| 18:35.59 | jetscreamer | ah i remember now |
| 18:35.59 | stoned | yeh |
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| 18:36.05 | chop1 | mutantpineapple: He must be a troll |
| 18:36.11 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i didn't think so, i think i just opened a port |
| 18:36.12 | chop1 | mutantpineapple: No one could actually be that clueless |
| 18:36.18 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: What do you mean "opened" |
| 18:36.19 | \amethyst | ? |
| 18:36.28 | jetscreamer | chop1: unfortuneately, yes they can |
| 18:36.36 | mutantpineapple | chop1: he certainly seems to have lived his whole life under a bridge ;) |
| 18:36.47 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, nvm, the page says Port Range Forwarding |
| 18:36.56 | stoned | jetscreamer: can you email me the information from hfds again so i can start working on my site |
| 18:37.01 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: yeah, there should be an IP address column there |
| 18:37.08 | stoned | jetscreamer: i'd really appreciate it. i seem to have lost some mails |
| 18:37.26 | jetscreamer | stoned: sure.. i don't remember your pw, but i can reset it if you don't remember |
| 18:37.31 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.33 | jetscreamer | i never knew it rather |
| 18:37.38 | stoned | jetscreamer: i have the pw in the email i just can't seem to make anything work |
| 18:37.42 | stoned | i found the email |
| 18:37.43 | jetscreamer | k |
| 18:37.45 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: What does the FTP row in that table look like exactly? |
| 18:37.46 | wols_ | torrr: driver thing |
| 18:37.47 | stoned | jetscreamer: pm please |
| 18:37.58 | wols_ | most cards use 32bit when selecting 23 anyways |
| 18:38.04 | wols_ | you could also try to edit xorg.conf directly |
| 18:38.18 | torrr | ok |
| 18:38.29 | tenco | how can i get rid of this message? |
| 18:38.30 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, let me show you an screenshot |
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| 18:38.35 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: ok |
| 18:38.46 | torrr | I need 32 otherwise I can't reconnect to suspended sessions |
| 18:38.58 | mutantpineapple | why do you say that? |
| 18:38.58 | valdyn | torrr: there's no 32 bit color mode in X |
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| 18:39.08 | valdyn | torrr: so i doubt you can 'need' it |
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| 18:39.17 | \amethyst | valdyn: but there is a 32bpp mode |
| 18:39.17 | wols_ | torrr: what message? |
| 18:39.38 | wols_ | most cards nowadays have no 24bit mode in hardware |
| 18:39.44 | torrr | wols_, no message, the resume button is disabled |
| 18:39.44 | wols_ | ever since geforec or riva I think |
| 18:39.50 | tenco | http://phpfi.com/230832 |
| 18:40.17 | mutantpineapple | torrr: so why do you think it is related to your colour depth? |
| 18:40.18 | valdyn | \amethyst: visual yes, seperate mode, no |
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| 18:40.59 | torrr | mutantpineapple, I had the same problem on windows, and the maintainer said so |
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| 18:41.35 | \amethyst | torrr: perhaps the FbBpp setting (see man xorg.conf) to make sure it's using 32bpp framebuffer? |
| 18:41.44 | unlink | how do i get strace to follow into child processes? |
| 18:41.56 | \amethyst | unlink: -f |
| 18:41.57 | torrr | \amethyst, I think I don't use a framebuffer |
| 18:42.04 | \amethyst | unlink: or just the child |
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| 18:42.21 | valdyn | \amethyst: apps can request visuals of various bpp from X, X gfx mode there's only 24bit. How a gfx driver talks to the card is none of X business and can be whatever |
| 18:42.21 | unlink | thakns |
| 18:42.23 | vyrus001 | evry kernel i compile dosent work.. for some reason they all try to load modules from my old /lib/modules/<old kernel> and fail, help? |
| 18:42.57 | \amethyst | torrr: what kind of program is this? |
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| 18:43.14 | torrr | NX |
| 18:43.33 | solemnwarning | I'm going to setup a fileserver for storing backups of my server |
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| 18:43.44 | torrr | \amethyst, its NX, its like terminal server of windows on linux |
| 18:43.44 | lap | hi |
| 18:43.53 | solemnwarning | What would be the best fileserver for this purpose, samba, nfs, rsyncd? |
| 18:44.03 | lap | someone can tell me why when i try to start xine in etch, it tell me "floating point exception" ? |
| 18:44.07 | vyrus001 | solemnwarning, that totaly depends on what you wana use it for |
| 18:44.18 | solemnwarning | Reading/writing backups |
| 18:44.19 | valdyn | solemnwarning: NOT samba if the 'server' runs linux or any other unixish system |
| 18:44.41 | valdyn | solemnwarning: you should chose a backup system first |
| 18:44.46 | solemnwarning | rsync |
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| 18:44.49 | valdyn | solemnwarning: most are limited to specific servers |
| 18:44.55 | solemnwarning | I'm not sure if I should use NFS or rsyncd |
| 18:45.00 | vyrus001 | solemnwarning, yea for most backups and such id think coda |
| 18:45.00 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7562/ffffuc6.png |
| 18:45.01 | valdyn | solemnwarning: rsync is supposedly better run over ssh than rsyncd |
| 18:45.09 | vyrus001 | solemnwarning, coda > nfs |
| 18:45.10 | solemnwarning | SSH? o_O |
| 18:45.12 | valdyn | solemnwarning: but i don't know the technicals |
| 18:45.13 | solemnwarning | Slow much? |
| 18:45.21 | Mazingaro | please |
| 18:45.23 | wols_ | vyrus001: how do you compile? and is the new kernel the same version as the old? |
| 18:45.29 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ssh is as slow as the cipher you use |
| 18:45.45 | lap | someone can tell me why when i try to start xine in etch, it tell me "floating point exception" for error |
| 18:45.51 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Err, you seem to have two different forwards for port 55 |
| 18:45.58 | valdyn | solemnwarning: you don't have to use a cipher that really encrypts, but blowfish is probably fast enough anyway |
| 18:45.59 | Mazingaro | ps ax |
| 18:46.06 | solemnwarning | Since the backups will be ran over my LAN I'll stick with some unencrypted connection |
| 18:46.22 | vyrus001 | wols_, its a new kernel ver, and ive compiled sevral times.. using make oldconfig, using the "debian method" and using my old config.gz droped into the new dir and compiled... for some reason, they all break the same way |
| 18:46.23 | solemnwarning | You can have unencrypted SSH? |
| 18:46.27 | wols_ | !tell lap about repeat |
| 18:46.44 | Mazingaro | is there anyone using kde on sparc? I got a problem with dying file protocol during login |
| 18:46.46 | wols_ | vyrus001: what is your make-kpkg line? |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn | solemnwarning: ssh uses pluggable ciphers, there's no technical reason why it must encrypt |
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| 18:47.12 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 18:47.13 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 18:47.15 | valdyn | solemnwarning: now i havcen't used a null cipher or whatever you want to call it, jsut blowfish |
| 18:47.26 | solemnwarning | I'll use SSH with fast/no cipher |
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| 18:47.36 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, i opened on both machines just in case |
| 18:47.40 | BUMBACL0T | it* |
| 18:47.44 | valdyn | solemnwarning: now you might want to pick your backup system first, if you want to use a framework instead of rsync directly |
| 18:47.48 | vyrus001 | wols_, where ? |
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| 18:47.58 | valdyn | solemnwarning: since these frameworks / packages might be limited to specific transfers |
| 18:48.01 | tenco | ok, i'm now member of group plugdev, but i still can't use gnome-volume-manager: "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied." |
| 18:48.04 | valdyn | solemnwarning: like dirvish or whatever |
| 18:48.07 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: that's not how it works |
| 18:48.26 | wols_ | vyrus001: you said you used the "debian way" |
| 18:48.31 | wols_ | so what was your make-kpkg line |
| 18:48.52 | vyrus001 | wols_ i didnt save it <_<, but that was just the last method i tried |
| 18:49.06 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, so, should i give up or what |
| 18:49.08 | wols_ | vyrus001: do you use RAID or have a reason to use initrd? |
| 18:49.12 | vyrus001 | wols_, and if possible id like to just use the standard make && make install |
| 18:49.13 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Do you want ftp connections from outside to go to .100, to .101, or to go randomly to either |
| 18:49.23 | wols_ | vyrus001: suit yourself |
| 18:49.24 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: err, port 55 connections rather |
| 18:49.26 | valdyn | solemnwarning: i use dirivsh over ssh. The cipher does not cause any significant load compared to what backing up a gazillion files does to disk performance |
| 18:49.40 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, which one should i remove then? 101 or 100 ? |
| 18:49.44 | vyrus001 | wols_, im usin yarid at the moment |
| 18:49.45 | Andrea | Hi folks! I'm trying to have a script using the last output from another process when this one becomes irresposive. I was thinking about something able to accumulate the char # in a shell var. Any idea? (or *any*thing which could do the job?) |
| 18:49.51 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, 101 right? |
| 18:49.52 | valdyn | solemnwarning: particularily when most files are only checked and found identical to last backup |
| 18:50.00 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, 101 is my windows machine |
| 18:50.03 | wols_ | vyrus001: that's not what I asked. do you have a reason to use initrd? |
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| 18:50.06 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: then remove 101 |
| 18:50.10 | abrotman | Andrea: might want to try #bash |
| 18:50.17 | WannabeNewbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.20 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: Also the 40000-50000 forward to .101 |
| 18:50.23 | vyrus001 | wols_, im on ext3, i was under the impression that its nessisary if you use ext3 |
| 18:50.31 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 18:50.31 | dpkg | remove kde is probably aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 18:50.32 | vyrus001 | wols_, cus if its not, then no |
| 18:50.34 | wols_ | vyrus001: your impression is very wrong |
| 18:50.35 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 18:50.35 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 18:50.48 | wols_ | vyrus001: compile ext3 into the kernel |
| 18:50.50 | valdyn | WannabeNewbie: whatever an ID 10 T problem might be.. |
| 18:50.53 | vyrus001 | wols_, i did |
| 18:51.07 | wols_ | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 18:51.09 | vyrus001 | wols_, but it still trys to go to my old libs dir and load that ext3 module |
| 18:51.13 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, removed, same error |
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| 18:51.19 | wols_ | gives you a shiny new deb you can install and which is automatically added to your bootloader |
| 18:51.19 | Andrea | abrotman: actually, I was now searching in irchelp a good channel. Thanks :) |
| 18:51.25 | pointer | I have a box that is loading both mptscsi and qlogic drivers in an initramfs on etch....and for some reason it's loading order appears to be random...I need to load the mpt/fusion drivers first...but when I specify a module list....the qlogic driver doesn't seem to be able to load the firmware...could this be some wierd udev bug or something? |
| 18:51.32 | WannabeNewbie | <---- ID 10 T (idiot) |
| 18:51.41 | valdyn | hah |
| 18:51.53 | vyrus001 | wols_, so do you think removing the initrd line in grub could fix my problem? |
| 18:51.59 | wols_ | !remove kde |
| 18:51.59 | dpkg | hmm... remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 18:52.03 | pointer | I'm still looking through how the initramfs init script is running things |
| 18:52.12 | tenco | WannabeNewbie: what's a ID 10 T? |
| 18:52.15 | pointer | s/wierd/weird/ |
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| 18:52.29 | valdyn | !leetspeak |
| 18:52.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, leetspeak is http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx |
| 18:52.34 | vyrus001 | wols_, since im compileing ext3 in the kern, just tell grub not to use the initrd? |
| 18:52.35 | wols_ | vyrus001: compiling and isntalling the kernel properly will. initrd is just another possibility to do something wrong. in order to simplify things, it's best avoided if possible |
| 18:52.52 | vyrus001 | wols_, ic |
| 18:52.52 | wols_ | vyrus001: you won#t need to tell grub anything. it's already handled |
| 18:53.29 | valdyn | vyrus001: kernels dont look into the wrong directory, you are either confused or somehow confused the build system. You should run 'make mrproper' before configuring and building |
| 18:53.30 | vyrus001 | wols_, i alredy have a line in that kernel entry containing the path of initrd.img, removeing that should work then and simplify yes ? |
| 18:53.48 | vyrus001 | wols_, im talking about menu.1st in grub btw |
| 18:54.09 | wols_ | I know |
| 18:54.16 | vyrus001 | wols_, cool, just makeing sure :D |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | lst ... not 1st |
| 18:54.23 | valdyn | vyrus001: or mounted a partition with noctime ( if that is even possible ) |
| 18:54.54 | mutantpineapple | i've moved debian from /dev/hda6 to /dev/hda5 but whenever i install a new kernel package, the installation script changes the grub entry back to /dev/hda6. what have i missed? |
| 18:55.11 | mutantpineapple | sorry, the second partition was hdb5 |
| 18:55.15 | valdyn | mutantpineapple: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:55.19 | wols_ | mutantpineapple: devicemap |
| 18:55.27 | itchi | mutantpineapple: Look in the grub config, you can define the use as 'default' another device |
| 18:55.33 | valdyn | mutantpineapple: there'S one line commented out but used by the script that adds new kernel's automagically |
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| 18:55.46 | valdyn | probably not the device map |
| 18:56.05 | vyrus001 | valdyn, wols_ ill try a new build with mrproper and removing the initrd line, hopefully that works, but ill be back if it dosn't :D |
| 18:56.08 | itchi | mutantpineapple: The #kopt option there, or the new one now |
| 18:56.14 | vyrus001 | valdyn, wols_ thnx for the help |
| 18:56.15 | wols_ | vyrus001: do nothing to the initrd line |
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| 18:56.20 | vyrus001 | wols_, ok |
| 18:56.28 | valdyn | mutantpineapple: # kopt=root=/dev/sda2 ro console=tty0 |
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| 18:56.48 | wols_ | vyrus001: installing the kernel.deb should take care of it all |
| 18:56.54 | dave_is_sex1 | hey guys. just a quicky. aptitude uninstall "amarok and all dependencies that were installed with it" |
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| 18:56.55 | itchi | mutantpineapple: Maybe want you add there the 'vga=791' option there; what valdyn just showed |
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| 18:57.16 | mutantpineapple | i know how to change it to hdb5 but it's annoying doing that every time. some files somewhere must have a record of being in hda6 and i want to know where that is so i can change it |
| 18:57.20 | valdyn | dave_is_sex1: you can try aptitude remove amarok |
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| 18:57.23 | itchi | valdyn: What's that console=tty0 option there? |
| 18:57.24 | BUMBACL0T | \amethyst, can you ping my ip? |
| 18:57.29 | wols_ | dave_is_sex1: if you installed it with aptitude, it iwll |
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| 18:57.47 | valdyn | itchi: does nothing, tty0 is the default anyway |
| 18:57.56 | dave_is_sex1 | oh nice. and the command is just aptitude uninstall amarok |
| 18:58.05 | valdyn | itchi: i could change that to lp0 i suppose |
| 18:58.09 | wols_ | !tell dave_is_sex1 why aptitude |
| 18:58.11 | itchi | valdyn: hhhm, yeah |
| 18:58.22 | valdyn | itchi: or whatever the kernel takes for a parallel printer |
| 18:58.25 | dave_is_sex1 | wols: didn't work |
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| 18:58.34 | wols_ | !why aptitude |
| 18:58.34 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 18:58.44 | omri | did anyone configure a wireless AdHoc network on a debian system? |
| 18:58.45 | itchi | valdyn: That will be an interesting feature, in some cases |
| 18:58.51 | abrotman | wols_: you left out the about |
| 18:58.52 | dave_is_sex1 | :) i know. i love aptitude |
| 18:58.59 | valdyn | itchi: its used commonly with a serial console |
| 18:59.10 | wols_ | abrotman: so why didn't you hand it to me, hm? |
| 18:59.20 | itchi | valdyn: I should need to look to these serial console featues. Not yet have tested it |
| 18:59.24 | wols_ | !tell omri about anyone |
| 18:59.36 | vyrus001 | wols_, u mean the kernel image ? |
| 18:59.38 | omri | wols_, again? :) |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | itchi: that'S for debugging kernel stuff anyway |
| 18:59.42 | omri | btw, solved everything :) |
| 18:59.54 | itchi | valdyn: Yeah, tooooo hard for me at this stage :-) |
| 19:00.17 | omri | what wireless adapter works with linux properly? G, not B |
| 19:00.27 | valdyn | omri: intel stuff |
| 19:00.36 | omri | anything cheaper? |
| 19:00.57 | itchi | omri: I have a ipw3945, very very happy of it :-p |
| 19:00.58 | valdyn | omri: check madwifi.org probably |
| 19:01.01 | wols_ | omri: many. even if they need firmware |
| 19:01.03 | mutantpineapple | i got some crap generic card that fortunately worked with ndiswrapper |
| 19:01.05 | wols_ | rt2500 |
| 19:01.19 | wols_ | may acx111 based one too. can't go cheaper than that (setup is a hassle tho) |
| 19:01.19 | valdyn | rt2500 is shit still, but very very close |
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| 19:01.32 | itchi | Anyway, it's build in the laptop |
| 19:01.38 | wols_ | valdyn: driver shit, hardwarfe shit or both? |
| 19:01.43 | omri | thanks, and another thing, how do I configure a debian box to function as Ad-Hoc? |
| 19:01.44 | valdyn | wols_: the driver |
| 19:01.49 | wols_ | acx100 is shit too btw. but it works (and I got it for free) |
| 19:01.58 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: hardware is shit as well (compared to atheros) |
| 19:02.04 | wols_ | omri: install wireless-tools and red the docs |
| 19:02.38 | valdyn | wols_: it 'works' but lacks features and compatibility with common linux wireless apps |
| 19:02.41 | omri | ok, one last thing. for the wireless interface be a part of the wired LAN I need to setup bridging? |
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| 19:03.04 | valdyn | wols_: or - using the new driver - still not quite ready or hard ( for newbies ) to get running |
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| 19:03.58 | wols_ | valdyn: I don't think there is any easy to use driver/card for debian, is there? |
| 19:04.09 | wols_ | ubuntu is a bit better I guess but debian is too pure free software wise to be easy |
| 19:04.15 | h3sp4wn | omri: for bridging you need to use 4 address headers (on atheros - it is just iwpriv wds 1) and use wpa_supplicant with -bbr0 |
| 19:04.37 | omri | didn't understand a thing :) |
| 19:04.53 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: in what way did he ask for a bridge? |
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| 19:04.58 | wols_ | he wanted a adhoc network |
| 19:05.08 | h3sp4wn | wols_: he asked to setup bridging |
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| 19:05.17 | omri | I want the wireless adhoc network to be bridged with my LAN |
| 19:05.24 | omri | just like a simple router would function |
| 19:05.28 | wols_ | omri: bridging or NAT |
| 19:05.42 | omri | I already have NAT on that box |
| 19:05.56 | wols_ | then use bridging. double NAT is evil |
| 19:06.04 | omri | NAT is evil :) |
| 19:06.10 | vulture | *nods* |
| 19:06.17 | wols_ | NAT is the saviour of the internet |
| 19:06.18 | omri | is bridging simple on linux? |
| 19:06.26 | omri | no it's not. IPv6 is :) |
| 19:06.30 | wols_ | if it weren't for NAT we had about 5times as many zombies |
| 19:06.47 | dave_is_sex1 | aptitude remove rhythmbox is going to remove 25 packages. but aptitude install rhythmbox added over 50. did i screw up? |
| 19:06.47 | aptitude | dave_is_sex1: okay |
| 19:06.50 | wols_ | the craze for routers to allow WLAN access to the internet at home is the bestest thing since AOL sent out their first CD |
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| 19:07.15 | wols_ | dave_is_sex1: the other packages might be needed by other, later installed packages |
| 19:07.22 | dave_is_sex1 | oh right :) |
| 19:07.26 | omri | is bridging on linux simple? |
| 19:07.44 | stoned | if you have to ask, then probably not |
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| 19:07.50 | dave_is_sex1 | ah yes. oh this is excellent!! |
| 19:08.00 | wols_ | omri: it is if you have a bit of knowledge |
| 19:08.01 | omri | stoned, that's not an answer :P |
| 19:08.07 | stoned | omri: yes it is. |
| 19:08.10 | wols_ | but I'd get the WLAN working first if I were you |
| 19:08.12 | omri | well, my knowledge isn't bridging related :) |
| 19:08.20 | stoned | omri: get reading |
| 19:08.24 | omri | links? :) |
| 19:08.27 | stoned | google.com |
| 19:08.28 | itchi | ~aptitude remove rhythmbox |
| 19:08.40 | aptitude | methinks remove rhythmbox is going to remove 25 packages. but aptitude install rhythmbox added over 50. did i screw up? |
| 19:08.40 | wols_ | omri: mine wasn't either. I googled for a howto and after 10 minutes I had a working one |
| 19:08.40 | xand | oi Daveman |
| 19:08.40 | itchi | hehe |
| 19:08.42 | wols_ | I never before did anything with a bridge but I knew a bit about tcp beforehand |
| 19:08.49 | omri | any good mini-howtos bridging related? |
| 19:08.50 | stoned | amarok > * |
| 19:09.15 | omri | I have some clue about TCP |
| 19:09.31 | omri | and networking in general |
| 19:09.47 | wols_ | considering you didn't know what to use for your WLAN, I doubt it actually |
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| 19:10.15 | omri | how WLAN relates to that? |
| 19:10.23 | omri | I just don't have Wireless experience |
| 19:10.31 | xand | o.o |
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| 19:10.52 | Daveman | waffles |
| 19:11.06 | simonrvn | turnips |
| 19:11.06 | rgsteele | Hm. Anybody know how I can find out what type of SCSI controller a box is using? E.g., more information that the devices themselves - I already know they are 4 WDC drives. |
| 19:11.10 | omri | I asked what interfaces are supported because I remember when WLAN went popular it wasn't so simple to get it working |
| 19:11.24 | omri | rgsteele, lspci? lshw? |
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| 19:11.27 | xand | Daveman: with glue? |
| 19:11.27 | simonrvn | lspci |
| 19:11.28 | wols_ | rgsteele: lspci |
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| 19:11.46 | Daveman | ... |
| 19:11.47 | wols_ | omri: still isn't. but it gets better every day |
| 19:11.56 | Daveman | with belgians? :D |
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| 19:12.21 | h3sp4wn | omri: http://madwifi.org/wiki/AboutWDS (for bridging you need 4 address headers that explains why) |
| 19:12.37 | rgsteele | lspci -vvv | grep -i scsi <=== returns nothing |
| 19:12.40 | doudou | Hi, i have a usb card reader, kernel detect it, and create sdb1 when i put a compactFlash card into it, but i have nothing with sd cards. I have fluxbox (no gnome no kde) |
| 19:12.42 | itchi | Removed that sad factoids on 'aptitude' |
| 19:12.55 | dave_is_sex1 | i have a question about DeCSS. is that allowed? |
| 19:13.07 | formorer | depends |
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| 19:13.14 | itchi | rgsteele: Remove that grep |
| 19:13.24 | rgsteele | itchi: Eh? |
| 19:13.33 | wols_ | dave_is_sex1: questions are always allowed |
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| 19:13.44 | omri | h3sp4wn, I'll read that, thanks |
| 19:13.50 | omri | I'm off to watch some TV |
| 19:13.50 | itchi | rgsteele: Cause; like you told heh, it not show anything |
| 19:14.00 | omri | btw, wols_, I got that etch installation working :] |
| 19:14.11 | itchi | rgsteele: Pastebin the output, maybe someone know about it |
| 19:14.28 | omri | bb |
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| 19:14.50 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.26 | dunker | i use -R |
| 19:15.36 | goodshit | it still ask |
| 19:15.37 | goodshit | dunker |
| 19:15.38 | goodshit | why is that? |
| 19:15.50 | itchi | goodshit: Have you an alias with the -i ? |
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| 19:17.04 | rgsteele | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/466003 |
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| 19:17.11 | numer | hello, i loaded the module parport_pc but i still do not have the device parport0, do i have to load an other modules aswell? |
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| 19:18.36 | rgsteele | itchi: Aha! |
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| 19:18.39 | rgsteele | lspci -vvv | grep -i sata |
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| 19:18.52 | unseensoul | hi |
| 19:19.03 | Catachan | uhm is there a reason that there is not a debian package for blender 2.43 yet? |
| 19:19.07 | rgsteele | itchi: Thanks for assisting, though :) |
| 19:19.43 | dave_is_sex1 | back. well, i'm wondering what it was. a library? if so did anything ever call upon it? (DeCSS) |
| 19:19.50 | wols_ | Catachan: what branch? |
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| 19:20.02 | itchi | rgsteele: Yeah, line 14 heh |
| 19:20.03 | dave_is_sex1 | i read wikipedia, and a whole bunch of other stuff, but it didn't say |
| 19:20.08 | wols_ | dave_is_sex1: libdecss says it's a lib yes |
| 19:20.09 | Catachan | uhm testing distro |
| 19:20.15 | wols_ | and what do you mean "call on it"? |
| 19:20.50 | rgsteele | itchi: I think my eyes must be all googly from staring at code most of the day :) |
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| 19:20.54 | Catachan | current testing actually wols_ |
| 19:21.04 | hark | itchi: i'm going to try now! :) |
| 19:21.05 | dave_is_sex1 | well, like lame. you can put it somewhere but it doesn't do anything unless an application goes "oi, lame, do help me with this" |
| 19:21.14 | wols_ | Catachan: usually takes a while tll packages filter down |
| 19:21.16 | itchi | hark: Hehe :-) |
| 19:21.24 | Catachan | okay, thanks |
| 19:21.27 | maux | hello, i would like your help to compile a package. ./configure gives me --> configure: error: 'Cannot find X utilities or libraries' |
| 19:21.28 | wols_ | dave_is_sex1: many do. mplayer, vlc, |
| 19:21.38 | wols_ | pretty much all apps that can play DVDs |
| 19:21.40 | itchi | maux: With which stuff? |
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| 19:22.07 | maux | i already installed xlibs-dev, xlibs-static-dev, libx11-6 (dunno if it was installed before) |
| 19:22.17 | foo | What could be responsible for network timeouts on the software level? |
| 19:22.28 | wols_ | maux: you need the -dev package. try libx11-dev |
| 19:22.30 | itchi | foo: Man in the middle attack? |
| 19:22.32 | maux | am trying to compile theo emulador x3270 de http://x3270.bgp.nu/index.html |
| 19:22.49 | \amethyst | dave_is_sex1: libdvdread3 dynamically loads libdvdcss2 at runtime |
| 19:22.49 | itchi | foo: There may to much reasons |
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| 19:22.58 | maux | wols: have installed that also |
| 19:23.04 | maux | wols_: have installed that also |
| 19:23.08 | wols_ | maux: then check the configure.log |
| 19:23.11 | wols_ | it will tell you what it di |
| 19:23.15 | foo | itchi: hmm, right. It's consistent, happens after about 10 minutes. |
| 19:23.17 | tdn_ | I consider buying an IBM Thinkpad Z60t but I am a bit concerned about the hardware support. Does anyone in here have any experience on this model? |
| 19:23.19 | \amethyst | dave_is_sex1: so any program that depends on libdvdread3 can probably make use of libdvdcss2, albeit indirectly |
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| 19:23.25 | foo | itchi: But, gah. Alright, thanks anyways |
| 19:23.26 | wols_ | !laptop |
| 19:23.26 | dpkg | hmm... laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 19:23.43 | itchi | foo: Dunno, you need to look what there may happend :-) |
| 19:24.06 | foo | itchi: eh, trying, problems just don't make any sense |
| 19:24.11 | HardDisk_WP | !suspend? |
| 19:25.01 | dpkg | well, suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 19:25.01 | itchi | foo: Sniff your network |
| 19:25.01 | dave_is_sex1 | \amethyst: kk. and currently the only non-dodgey way to play dvds in by installing mplayer, ogle, or xine. I can't point xfmedia to libdvdcss2? |
| 19:25.01 | itchi | foo: Heh, maybe the cat played with the cable hehe |
| 19:25.15 | foo | itchi: This is on a production server in a data center... which confuses me even more. |
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| 19:25.49 | itchi | foo: Maybe have these the troulbes. Have you contact the company? Maybe know these about the temporally troubles?? |
| 19:25.59 | Amarande | ok, is quota supposed to take this long to install under etch, or is something wrong? |
| 19:26.03 | maux | wols_: ah, thanks. never had to see config.log. it blames against |
| 19:26.07 | maux | <X11/Intrinsic.h> |
| 19:26.09 | Amarande | Setting up quota (3.14-7) ... |
| 19:26.09 | Amarande | Checking quotas... |
| 19:26.11 | Amarande | and then it just sits there |
| 19:26.19 | foo | itchi: Yeah, I have, they are not sure... what bothers me more is that I don't see the timeouts, but someone else does |
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| 19:26.38 | \amethyst | dave_is_sex1: I would think that since xfmedia uses xine as the backend it would work |
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| 19:26.43 | \amethyst | dave_is_sex1: but I don't know |
| 19:26.47 | itchi | foo: Maybe just some DNS server somewhere around screwed |
| 19:26.47 | Amarande | ahh, there it goes |
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| 19:27.10 | dave_is_sex1 | \amethyst: thanks, i'll look into it. |
| 19:27.44 | foo | itchi: hm, I didn't think about that. ok |
| 19:28.22 | Alarm | hello i got a problem mounting my external usb hd . when i plug it in and turn it on , and try to enter in the partition i get: could not enter folder /media/win5 . i can only mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 . i did also add my user (alarm) to the plugdev group , and rebooted as well. |
| 19:28.36 | Alarm | in the fstab there is nothing listed about the /dev/sda1 device . |
| 19:28.41 | itchi | foo: Heh, i dunno hehe. Maybe is it a completely other trouble |
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| 19:29.00 | itchi | foo: You know, the 'web' is complex :-p |
| 19:29.30 | Alarm | when i mount it with pmount /dev/sda1 as i said it works pretty well,. i can enter the partition,. but once i turn it of (even if i remove it safely) , and then turn it on again, i get again the same message |
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| 19:29.51 | Alarm | that i cannt enter the folder win5 folder |
| 19:30.19 | itchi | Alarm: Boot you off the USB ? |
| 19:30.31 | Alarm | itchi, what do you mean with that |
| 19:30.32 | itchi | Alarm: Or at least, want |
| 19:30.47 | sohmestra | where might I find a nice tutorial about setting up iscsi in Etch? Everything I find seems to be about _using_ an iscsi device, not exporting a device with ISCSI |
| 19:30.50 | Alarm | i dont understand ur question |
| 19:30.56 | itchi | Alarm: The distro is not installed on that USN hdd, it's used for storage? |
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| 19:31.05 | itchi | usb* |
| 19:31.05 | Alarm | yes just storage |
| 19:31.09 | Alarm | an ntfs disk |
| 19:32.00 | itchi | Alarm: I dunno about ntfs stuff |
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| 19:32.05 | itchi | Alarm: To long time ago :-) |
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| 19:32.16 | vyrus001 | wols_, make mrproper, make menuconfig, make, make install... no dice |
| 19:32.18 | Alarm | itchi, it has not to do with the ntfs actually , its not that i can mount it |
| 19:32.23 | Alarm | its that i can never access the partition |
| 19:32.27 | Alarm | i dont get any mounting error |
| 19:32.36 | Alarm | its more like permitions issue |
| 19:33.13 | itchi | Alarm: For the ntfs, you need some special params to get access to it AFAIK |
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| 19:33.25 | Alarm | i see |
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| 19:35.16 | itchi | sohmestra: Did you try a apt-cache search iscsi ? |
| 19:36.33 | sohmestra | itchi: installing it isn't the issue. |
| 19:37.11 | demoan | irssi |
| 19:37.11 | sohmestra | itchi: I've got it installed. I just haven't found a good "getting started" type document. |
| 19:37.27 | itchi | sohmestra: I dunno about iscsi, but did you read the docs about open-iscsi ? |
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| 19:38.28 | sohmestra | itchi: yeah. they are essentially the same as the manpage, which isn't very enlightening to an iscsi novice. |
| 19:38.48 | itchi | sohmestra: And http://www.open-iscsi.org/ ? |
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| 19:39.09 | hark | itchi: ok, it seems to be working fine (fgfs) |
| 19:39.19 | itchi | hark: sh*t :-( |
| 19:39.36 | itchi | hark: I need to look then :-s |
| 19:39.41 | tuv | strange.. i have a root and a swap partitions (/dev/sdb{1,2}). i create /dev/sdb3 using fdisk but it is not available in /dev/. what could cause this? |
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| 19:39.57 | itchi | hark: did you change that option with driconf? |
| 19:40.38 | dave_is_sexy | is there an apt-get for ndiswrapper / ndis-wrapper? |
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| 19:40.56 | itchi | hark: Or maybe is that card to old? It worked great with the closed driver :-s |
| 19:41.15 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 19:41.54 | sohmestra | itchi: thanks, but have you read it? As far as I can see, it's worthless, unless you're a developer. |
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| 19:42.01 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: look in module-assistant |
| 19:42.24 | itchi | sohmestra: I have fly over the docs |
| 19:42.50 | dave_is_sexy | itchi: ta. i just have to wait for it to do things first. "aptitude module-assistsant"? |
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| 19:43.08 | karsten | How do I get configured speed for a network interface? |
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| 19:43.26 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Pay attention when you 'migrate' from apt-get to aptitude |
| 19:43.26 | nzk|irssi | I'm havign trouble doing scp |
| 19:43.30 | nzk|irssi | It worked before on NetBSD |
| 19:43.33 | nzk|irssi | But it just times out |
| 19:43.33 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: I guess you gona do a mistake |
| 19:43.41 | pizzahead | if I wanted to have a cron job run the third saturday of every month is there a way I can do this within cron or do I have to do this via my script ? |
| 19:43.46 | abrotman | karsten: mii-tool or ethtool |
| 19:43.47 | itchi | nzk|irssi: First ping the box, to see if it's ok |
| 19:43.54 | dave_is_sexy | itchi: lol. always use aptitude now. mistakes can be undone :) |
| 19:43.56 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 19:44.15 | drako | whats a good tool for create DVD, with Menu from .vob etc |
| 19:44.16 | nzk|irssi | itchi: I'm connected to it right now |
| 19:44.18 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell the snd-es18xx kernel module which IRQ/DMA/EA it should use? |
| 19:44.19 | drako | add subtitles |
| 19:44.19 | nzk|irssi | irssi is running on it |
| 19:44.20 | drako | and so on. |
| 19:44.32 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, for wlan, iwconfig |
| 19:44.50 | itchi | nzk|irssi: Have you been an ssh server on that box? |
| 19:44.52 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: wired. Should be 1-10Gbps. |
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| 19:45.06 | nzk | itchi, I'm using ssh right now |
| 19:45.23 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, then I dunno. Maybe knetworkmanager could display it |
| 19:45.35 | itchi | nzk: Did you use the ip or the comp name? |
| 19:45.39 | karsten | abrotman: ethtool does it. no args gets speed. |
| 19:45.42 | nzk | ip |
| 19:45.47 | nzk | usr@ip |
| 19:45.50 | tuv | a reboot fixed that :) |
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| 19:45.51 | itchi | nzk: With scp too? |
| 19:45.56 | karsten | abrotman: Any idea how to get a full list of interfaces? |
| 19:46.14 | nzk | itchi, yes |
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| 19:47.03 | dpm | does anyone know in which package the manual pages for system calls (2) are? I'm trying to execute 'man 2 pipe', but I haven't got that man page installed and I don't know which package it belongs to either |
| 19:47.11 | itchi | nzk: Do you make use of fail2ban or denyhosts or whatever thing that watch the server? |
| 19:47.18 | nzk | Nope |
| 19:47.25 | wols_ | !tell dpm about search |
| 19:47.46 | itchi | dpm: Try man man |
| 19:47.58 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know where the documentation for kernel modules is located? |
| 19:48.08 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Hold on |
| 19:48.13 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: kernel source documentation/ |
| 19:48.16 | hark | itchi: was just trying again :) yes, i had already set that in driconf before |
| 19:48.49 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Here online http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 |
| 19:48.52 | dioscuri | I am installing debian on "vista laptop" (dual boot) and want to get free disk space for debian. Will gparted do the job? |
| 19:48.59 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 19:49.12 | mutantpineapple | should do |
| 19:49.25 | dioscuri | thanks |
| 19:49.37 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, there is only 1470 snd-es18xx= [HW,ALSA] |
| 19:49.47 | HardDisk_WP | for this module... |
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| 19:50.09 | HardDisk_WP | but i need to know how the parameters for IRQ/DMA/memory ranges are named |
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| 19:51.04 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Yeah, not that helpfull :-s |
| 19:51.10 | nzk|irssi | itchi: here is my line scp /home/andrei/Desktop/*.pl andrei@192.162.2.6:/home/andrei/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ |
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| 19:51.53 | itchi | nzk|irssi: Should be not a trouble :-s |
| 19:52.13 | hark | dpm: install manpages-dev |
| 19:52.18 | HardDisk_WP | aaah |
| 19:52.19 | itchi | nzk|irssi: But, deppend, maybe have some stuff block new connections. Depend of your security policies |
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| 19:52.20 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=ESS+Technology&card=.&chip=ES18xx&module=es18xx |
| 19:52.31 | dpm | hark: thanks |
| 19:52.33 | nzk | itchi, well, is there any other way to get a file over there? |
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| 19:53.15 | itchi | nzk: Do it from the other side |
| 19:53.28 | itchi | nzk: In the reversed way |
| 19:53.35 | nzk|irssi | ok |
| 19:53.58 | itchi | nzk|irssi: But you should look what's happend heh, looks a bit weird |
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| 19:54.55 | unlink | what's the preferred method of network incremental system backups? |
| 19:55.06 | unlink | one which doesn't require remote root logins |
| 19:55.14 | unlink | but still preserves permission information. |
| 19:55.31 | itchi | unlink: Anyway, root have full rights, only him |
| 19:55.42 | HardDisk_WP | hm, this dude got it working: http://www.djmjr.com/post.php?post=117 |
| 19:55.45 | unlink | what? |
| 19:55.57 | HardDisk_WP | but here always the error no such device |
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| 19:56.13 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out what module uses a specific DMA/IRQ? |
| 19:56.16 | nzk | itchi, i tried reverse and it just did no output |
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| 19:56.24 | itchi | unlink: If you plan to copy files you not own |
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| 19:56.34 | HardDisk_WP | I think, as some other IRQs are wrong assigned, some module other than es18xx uses them |
| 19:56.39 | xuser | For X to not load a startup i should edit inittab right? |
| 19:57.00 | itchi | xuser: Or, not install a DM, or remove the link |
| 19:57.02 | unlink | itchi: yeah that's part of a system backup |
| 19:57.28 | nzk | can't i ftp them over |
| 19:57.33 | xuser | itchi: hmm ok. |
| 19:57.38 | tuv | mdadm creates md0p1 and mkfs.xfs refuses to format either of md0 and md0p1 |
| 19:57.47 | itchi | unlink: There are great backup sofware http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backup.htm |
| 19:58.26 | denken | mmm bacula |
| 19:58.58 | itchi | unlink: Take a look on http://www.debian-administration.org/ too, verry good |
| 19:59.29 | itchi | unlink: Think for a 'good' plan, before you start some experimental sutff heh |
| 19:59.30 | xuser | itchi: you mean remove .xsession? |
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| 19:59.53 | itchi | xuser: no |
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| 20:00.16 | xuser | itchi: what's the runlevel in Debian to not start X? |
| 20:00.29 | itchi | xuser: See /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 20:01.09 | xuser | itchi: ok. |
| 20:01.28 | tenco | i have problems with my scanner. it's detected by sane-find-scanner and i put the firmware file into /usr/share/sane/gt68xx as i ever did (and what worked everytime so far) but xsane and scanimage -L still are insisting on that there's no scanner |
| 20:01.40 | nzk | itchi, ssh: connect to host 192.162.2.6 port 22: Connection timed out |
| 20:01.40 | nzk | lost connection |
| 20:02.00 | tenco | found USB scanner (vendor=0x055f, product=0x021e, chip=GT-6816?) at libusb:001:005 |
| 20:02.14 | itchi | nzk: Run it been on port 22 ? |
| 20:02.25 | nzk | i think its on 22 |
| 20:02.26 | nzk | how can i check |
| 20:02.35 | nzk | 22 is forwarded though |
| 20:02.53 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:03.03 | Amarande | under ext3, how many files normally can fit in a 108G filesystem? |
| 20:03.26 | pizzahead | heh |
| 20:03.37 | pizzahead | no offense, but is that a real question? |
| 20:04.08 | nzk | Amarande, 1 gazillion. |
| 20:04.19 | nzk | If they are 1bit each |
| 20:04.21 | Alarm | anyone knowing a few things about usb storage devices and mounting them ? |
| 20:04.21 | nzk | err |
| 20:04.23 | nzk | 1 byte |
| 20:04.33 | tenco | gna. some groups issue again. |
| 20:04.35 | tenco | never mind |
| 20:04.58 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: depends on number of available inodes (at small file sizes) |
| 20:05.44 | Amarande | yeah, I was mainly wondering how many inodes are in a 108G filesystem in ext3 by default |
| 20:05.44 | xuser | should i get used to aptitude or apt? |
| 20:05.44 | Amarande | xuser: both |
| 20:05.50 | Amarande | aptitude and apt both have their purposes |
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| 20:06.02 | Amarande | aptitude is normally used for installing a large amount of new stuff easily |
| 20:06.10 | Amarande | apt-get is what you'll usually use to install something new, though |
| 20:06.42 | xuser | Amarande: i see, thx. |
| 20:06.43 | nzk | I forwarded 22 to the debian box |
| 20:06.45 | Amarande | ok, exactly what do Super Cow Powers do, by the way? |
| 20:06.54 | xuser | both handle removing packages the same way? |
| 20:07.03 | chop1 | Amarande: In general I wouldn't worry about the inodes... I've been working on pretty large ext3 filesystems for a decent while now, and I've never had problems running out of inodes |
| 20:07.13 | chop1 | Amarande: Are you planning to create a stunning number of tiny files? |
| 20:07.13 | rahul | Amarande: apt-get moo |
| 20:07.31 | h3sp4wn | Amarande: df -i |
| 20:07.35 | stoned | rahul: mera dost ! |
| 20:07.41 | rahul | !! |
| 20:07.42 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:07.46 | stoned | lol |
| 20:07.51 | stoned | where you been man |
| 20:08.00 | rahul | rockin, man |
| 20:08.03 | itchi | xuser: You mean apt-get and aptitude i guess |
| 20:08.03 | stoned | word |
| 20:08.18 | xuser | itchi: yeah |
| 20:08.52 | itchi | xuser: You still search in packages with apt-cache. apt-cache != apt-get |
| 20:09.10 | nzk | Is there any other way to transfer files over ssh |
| 20:09.19 | itchi | xuser: Not that you not may search with aptitude, but is slower, but more powerfull |
| 20:09.22 | rahul | I should have told you to come to the delancey on saturday. the two openers were good death metal bands and then there was a hard rocking grunge band that I'm friends with, and then some other crap that played while I helped that band with their equipment, and then an interesting gothish metal band |
| 20:09.29 | karsten | nzk: Sorry? |
| 20:09.38 | nzk | Is there any other way to transfer files over ssh |
| 20:09.42 | karsten | rahul: Thanks for not inviting me. |
| 20:09.46 | karsten | nzk: Other than what? |
| 20:09.49 | xuser | nzk: scp? sftp? |
| 20:09.53 | nzk | scp |
| 20:09.54 | karsten | nzk: Try asking a sensible question. |
| 20:09.55 | stoned | rahul: i was working ... msg please |
| 20:09.56 | chop1 | nzk: Other than scp, you mean? |
| 20:10.05 | itchi | karsten: Looks like his scp not more work |
| 20:10.07 | rahul | karsten: yo mama |
| 20:10.11 | chop1 | nzk: ssh login@host 'cat /some/file' > /local/file |
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| 20:10.30 | chop1 | nzk: ssh login@host 'cat > /some/file' < /local/file |
| 20:10.35 | chop1 | nzk: YMMV :-) |
| 20:10.41 | nzk | ymmv? |
| 20:11.11 | unlink | your milage may vary |
| 20:11.12 | chop1 | nzk: Your Mileage May Vary |
| 20:11.12 | xuser | itchi: i see, gonna play with both :) |
| 20:11.12 | itchi | xuser: Anyway, make use of aptitude now |
| 20:11.12 | karsten | nzk: If you're asking what file transfer protocols work over ssh: scp, sftp, fish. If you're asking for troubleshooting tips, verbosity is your friend. Check both local and remote logs if possible. |
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| 20:11.28 | karsten | nzk: Also: say what you're doing, what is or isn't working, specific inputs and outputs. |
| 20:11.32 | xuser | itchi: just wanted to know if conflicts happened when using both at the same time. |
| 20:11.34 | karsten | !tell nzk about smart questions |
| 20:11.38 | karsten | !tell nzk about paster |
| 20:11.49 | itchi | xuser: Yeah, big |
| 20:12.27 | itchi | xuser: Say, you install package foo with aptitude, one day later you install bar with apt-get. The next day you start aptitude and he want to remove bar, cause he dunno from where it come |
| 20:13.01 | itchi | xuser: Idem with whatever other package manager you may use (synaptic, kpackage ...) |
| 20:13.30 | xuser | itchi: ah ok, I'll stick to one then. |
| 20:13.40 | itchi | xuser: aptitude |
| 20:14.22 | itchi | xuser: But pay attention the first time. aptitude plan to remove all the stuff you have installed with other package managers. So the first time you may need to select all the package in aptitude |
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| 20:14.25 | raf256 | which WM is as light as icewm but is as customizible and future-rich (working system tray etc) like KDE? |
| 20:14.40 | itchi | raf256: fluxbox |
| 20:14.43 | raf256 | (and as easy to customize) |
| 20:14.47 | itchi | raf256: fluxbox |
| 20:14.48 | raf256 | itchi: thanks I will try it |
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| 20:15.00 | raf256 | btw it would be nice to have option for a windows-XP like look |
| 20:15.00 | itchi | raf256: See for some nicer themes heh, these 'default' sucks |
| 20:15.08 | raf256 | itchi: is there XP like one? |
| 20:15.13 | itchi | raf256: Wait |
| 20:15.23 | itchi | raf256: I use one right now :-p |
| 20:15.38 | raf256 | yey ;) |
| 20:15.45 | mutantpineapple | i don't get why people want "lighter" versions of their wm if they still want all the features |
| 20:15.59 | itchi | raf256: I make quick a screenshot |
| 20:16.03 | raf256 | mutantpineapple: I dont need eye candy and/or I want a better written one |
| 20:16.05 | chop1 | mutantpineapple: People want everything, and they want it fast, and reliable, and cheap, and done yesterday :-) |
| 20:16.17 | dave_is_sexy | mutantpineapple: some necessary features are missing form ligh wms. like search |
| 20:16.22 | \amethyst | mutantpineapple: because they don't want *all* the features, just all the ones they know about |
| 20:16.23 | mutantpineapple | chop1: i hope that's optimised |
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| 20:16.24 | dave_is_sexy | xfce has no search |
| 20:16.28 | chop1 | raf256: I also recommend fluxbox and blackbox; blackbox has always treated me very well |
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| 20:16.35 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: what do you mean search? |
| 20:16.41 | raf256 | mutantpineapple: I simply want to trade eyecandy for speed, otherwise I want a kde |
| 20:16.44 | mutantpineapple | dave_is_sexy: what's wrong with find? |
| 20:16.46 | chop1 | raf256: (fluxbox is a slightly more feature-rich fork of blackbox) |
| 20:16.54 | dave_is_sexy | \amethyst: the ability to search for files |
| 20:16.58 | xuser | itchi: yeah, aptitude it is, gives more control, thanks for the notice. |
| 20:17.00 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: beagle doesn't care what window manager you use |
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| 20:17.21 | raf256 | itchi: try icewm and its XP (new XP) skin - looks much like win XP |
| 20:17.22 | dave_is_sexy | \amethyst: i don't use beagle. just catfish. fits my needs |
| 20:17.31 | chop1 | dave_is_sexy: You shouldn't depend on your window manager to give you search any more than you should want it to make coffee for you |
| 20:17.50 | \amethyst | I depend on my window manager to search for windows :) |
| 20:18.06 | dave_is_sexy | chop1: well excuse me if i don't know everything yet and a gui search is useful for me |
| 20:18.21 | mutantpineapple | coming soon: ubuntu coffee making edition |
| 20:18.57 | chop1 | dave_is_sexy: Sorry, I didn't mean to give offense -- I just meant that a separate, standalone program (even a GUI one) makes more sense to me than integrating search into the WM. |
| 20:19.04 | mutantpineapple | unfortunately, most of the coffee machines have gone the proprietary driver route :( |
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| 20:20.12 | dave_is_sexy | chop1: yes i agree. my point was that just because somebody runs a light wm, doesn't mean they want to do without all the basics. my catfish and thunar are nicely integrated |
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| 20:21.00 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: I think you might be confusing window managers and desktop environments... thunar isn't part of the window manager |
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| 20:22.17 | dave_is_sexy | \amethyst: oh yes i am. good call |
| 20:22.24 | itchi | raf256: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox_vista_01.jpg and fluxbox_vista_02.jpg |
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| 20:22.45 | itchi | raf256: I had some more pics about it, but looks like i have lost these, heh, i dunno where i have put these :-p |
| 20:23.37 | dave_is_sexy | right, i'm tired of sitting on the floor in the corridor. can someone help with my wireless. i have ndiswrapper, but my card allegedly has linux drivers for the 2.4 kernel. but i can't find them |
| 20:23.59 | hesco | When I run apt-get update on one machine, I'm getting a long list of "Temporary failure resolving 'gulus.usherbrooke.ca'", or 'security.debian.org' errors and it bombs out. But when I use the host command to test my resolver on those domains, it returns what seems to be good values after a short but not not inappropriate interval. |
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| 20:24.15 | raf256 | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox_vista_01.jpg access denied |
| 20:24.22 | dave_is_sexy | (#ndiswrapper is empty) |
| 20:24.27 | itchi | raf256: ohyeah, wait, i have change some stuff :-p |
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| 20:25.00 | hesco | The machine right next to it, which I believe has the same content in /etc/resolv.conf, does just fine on the same commands which choke the one that's giving me problems. |
| 20:25.07 | hesco | Any ideas how to deal with this? |
| 20:25.46 | itchi | raf256: Goes that better now? |
| 20:27.26 | chop1 | itchi: That's a very nice desktop |
| 20:27.31 | dave_is_sexy | gcc will fix all my c compiling issues? |
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| 20:27.40 | itchi | chop1: Normal, it's DEBIAN! :-p |
| 20:27.54 | HardDisk_WP | *cry* |
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| 20:28.08 | HardDisk_WP | why wont the snd-es18xx driver detect that card?! |
| 20:28.41 | itchi | chop1: Want the wallpapper? |
| 20:28.55 | dave_is_sexy | c compile? gcc? |
| 20:28.58 | raf256 | itchi: still same perm error actually |
| 20:29.09 | chop1 | itchi: No, that's okay -- I prefer a blank dark background. It's more the little widgets that display system information that I was lusting over. |
| 20:29.12 | raf256 | itchi: wait.. I think its my firewall |
| 20:29.16 | raf256 | *my quid |
| 20:29.36 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: Yes, gcc does C compiling |
| 20:29.40 | raf256 | itchi: I think it doesnt work |
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| 20:29.53 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: I'm not sure what you mean by "c compiling issues" though |
| 20:30.21 | yang_ | Where can I read how many pacages contains testig distribution? |
| 20:30.23 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: you also need the -dev packages for any libraries the program uses |
| 20:30.23 | dave_is_sexy | \amethyst: .\configure > no c compiler found |
| 20:30.34 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:30.37 | nzk | Does anyone know of any ways to transfer a file over ssh? |
| 20:30.38 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: what are you compiling |
| 20:30.40 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:30.42 | itchi | raf256: Yeah, 3334 |
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| 20:30.50 | itchi | It's not my work at all http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/debian_art/ |
| 20:30.57 | dave_is_sexy | ndiswrapper. the version in the repo is uber-old |
| 20:31.00 | \amethyst | nzk: scp filename user@host:remote-filename |
| 20:31.01 | ma3x | I want to resize the / partition with gparted, but it's mounted |
| 20:31.14 | ma3x | can I somehow mount it read only and resize it? |
| 20:31.17 | nzk | \amethyst, scp doesnt work |
| 20:31.22 | itchi | chop1: You want Debian_Sundae.png |
| 20:31.30 | \amethyst | nzk: you can ssh there but not scp? |
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| 20:31.38 | chop1 | nzk: Did you try the alternatives I suggested? |
| 20:31.42 | for2 | how can i test if an usb stick is bootable? |
| 20:32.00 | itchi | for2: Try it out heh |
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| 20:32.27 | chop1 | for2: I'm not aware of a general way |
| 20:32.34 | chop1 | for2: (Besides trying it, obviously) |
| 20:32.51 | \amethyst | for2: disassemble the code in the boot sector to see what it does? :) |
| 20:32.59 | for2 | lol :0 |
| 20:33.05 | for2 | well it's not working |
| 20:33.15 | itchi | for2: If you want a 'easy' test, try DSL, there's a 'click' tool to install it on a USB key, then boot |
| 20:33.20 | h3sp4wn | for2: tried usb-zip and usb-hdd ? |
| 20:33.20 | chop1 | for2: I'd say your answer is highly likely to be, "no," then |
| 20:33.32 | chop1 | ;-) |
| 20:33.42 | h3sp4wn | for2: (for some reason my grml only works with usb-zip) even though my computer is new etc etc |
| 20:33.48 | xand | it's time |
| 20:33.58 | ma3x | xand, hi |
| 20:34.02 | for2 | i'll try on another pc, maybe it's the bios |
| 20:34.04 | xand | why hello |
| 20:34.07 | for2 | thx anyway |
| 20:34.20 | ma3x | xand, you play nexuiz? |
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| 20:37.41 | nzk | chop1, I couldnt get any to work |
| 20:37.45 | nzk | and fish is a shell :| |
| 20:38.00 | chop1 | nzk: Why exactly doesn't ssh work for you? |
| 20:38.06 | chop1 | Er scp rather |
| 20:38.09 | nzk | i dont know |
| 20:38.13 | nzk | it just times out |
| 20:38.18 | chop1 | nzk: ssh does work, though, yes? |
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| 20:38.26 | nzk | Yes |
| 20:38.36 | \amethyst | nzk: wait, your shell on the remote machine is fish? |
| 20:38.37 | nzk|irssi | thats how I'm able to do THIS |
| 20:38.40 | chop1 | nzk: does "ssh user@host time" print the time? |
| 20:38.41 | nzk|irssi | no... |
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| 20:38.46 | nzk|irssi | hold on |
| 20:38.47 | nzk|irssi | argh |
| 20:39.07 | nzk|irssi | its bash |
| 20:39.21 | nzk | real 0m0.000s |
| 20:39.21 | nzk | user 0m0.000s |
| 20:39.21 | nzk | sys 0m0.000s |
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| 20:39.35 | chop1 | nzk: Huh |
| 20:39.47 | nzk | thats the output of ssh user@host time |
| 20:39.50 | \amethyst | nzk: so you should be able to do ssh user@host cat remotefile > localfile |
| 20:39.56 | \amethyst | chop1: you're thinking of date not time |
| 20:40.01 | chop1 | \amethyst: Yes, I am :-) |
| 20:40.19 | chop1 | nzk: I don't see any reason why "cat somefile | ssh user@host 'cat > /some/file'" wouldn't work then |
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| 20:40.42 | chop1 | nzk: Does "echo hello | ssh user@host 'cat > /tmp/foo'" create a file in /tmp/foo? |
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| 20:41.22 | chop1 | nzk: Really you ought to debug why scp isn't working IMO... is it possible you've disallowed it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config or something like that? |
| 20:41.30 | nzk | I don't know |
| 20:41.38 | nzk | i'll check it out |
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| 20:42.33 | itchi | nzk: A new ssh connection still work? |
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| 20:42.45 | nzk | What? |
| 20:42.53 | nzk | Where is the scp option in sshd_config? |
| 20:43.35 | nzk | can i wget multiple things at once? |
| 20:43.38 | chop1 | nzk: I'm not sure |
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| 20:43.49 | karsten | nzk: man sshd_config |
| 20:44.05 | karsten | nzk: ... whcih suggests there isn't one. |
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| 20:44.20 | karsten | nzk: Yes, you can wget multiple items. |
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| 20:44.25 | chop1 | nzk: Like itchi asked... do new ssh connections work? |
| 20:44.28 | karsten | nzk: wget <list> for starter. |
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| 20:44.52 | nzk | yes |
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| 20:45.06 | karsten | nzk: You've already been told to 1) try upping verbosity and 2) read logs on the *remote* side (daemon logs) if possible. |
| 20:45.25 | karsten | nzk: echo foo | ssh -v user@remotehost 'cat > foo' |
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| 20:45.36 | karsten | nzk: ... add more '-v' args as necessary. |
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| 20:47.25 | Enverex | Erm, is the default /etc/fstab supposed to be completely empty? |
| 20:47.46 | xand | Enverex: no |
| 20:47.58 | xand | Enverex: if it was, the machine wouldn't work ;) |
| 20:48.04 | karsten | Enverex: Only if you have no mounts. |
| 20:48.05 | xand | as / wouldn't get mounted |
| 20:48.27 | karsten | xand: It would be mounted (happens at boot) but IIRC it wouldn't be remounted RW, though you could check that. |
| 20:48.37 | \amethyst | at the very least /proc should be there |
| 20:48.41 | xand | well, you should still get three lines at the top |
| 20:48.46 | xand | comments |
| 20:49.09 | Enverex | Well mine is blank and the machine booted... |
| 20:49.18 | karsten | Enverex: Regardless: looks like you've got a problem, might want to 1) fix it and 2) sort how it happened. |
| 20:49.23 | karsten | Enverex: cat /proc/mounts |
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| 20:49.47 | Enverex | It just said "#BLANK FSTAB FOR UNCONFIGURED SYSTEM" in there or something along those lines |
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| 20:50.05 | karsten | Enverex: Care to share a little system history with us? |
| 20:50.10 | karsten | Enverex: How'd you get here? |
| 20:50.16 | Enverex | karsten, This is the first boot actually, heh |
| 20:50.32 | xand | has installation finished? |
| 20:50.33 | karsten | Enverex: Sounds like you didn't get all the way through your install. |
| 20:50.50 | Enverex | xand, Yeah, it installed fine and rebooted at the end after asking me |
| 20:50.53 | karsten | Enverex: What installation method are/were you using? |
| 20:50.56 | dave_is_sexy | i have this driver file, which allegedly contains linux and windows drivers. it's an exe though! |
| 20:51.03 | Enverex | Everything else is fine, I just have an empty fstab |
| 20:51.03 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: try unzipping it |
| 20:51.19 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: unzip can handle some self-extracting archives |
| 20:51.24 | karsten | dave_is_sexy: Quite possibly a self-extracting EXE which is frequently either a PKZIP or CABEXTRACT file |
| 20:51.29 | Enverex | karsten, The 4.0rc1 disc, can't remember which |
| 20:51.37 | dave_is_sexy | \amethysy: ta. tried with xarchiver. it said no |
| 20:51.43 | xand | i've seen .exe files which were actually linux executables |
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| 20:52.00 | Enverex | karsten, although I have changed the sources.list and dist-upgrade'd since.... |
| 20:52.09 | \amethyst | dave_is_sexy: what does file foo.exe say about it? |
| 20:52.48 | karsten | Enverex: Sounds like a pre-final installer. You could patch up this system (should be dable but you need to know what it is you're doabling) or try to reinstall. chroot install directions mostly checklist what you want working / to check for on install. Appendix C in the Sarge docs, not sure for Etch. |
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| 20:52.55 | Wolfete | hello |
| 20:53.02 | dave_is_sexy | \amethyst: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit |
| 20:53.02 | karsten | Enverex: ... wrote those originally, don't have time to walk you through them. |
| 20:53.02 | TimRainey | How can I findout the local network IP? |
| 20:53.19 | rgsteele | TimRainey: ifconfig |
| 20:53.19 | karsten | dave_is_sexy: 'file <name>.exe' should give you an idea of the file type. |
| 20:53.29 | karsten | dave_is_sexy: You can also often unpack these with wine. |
| 20:53.30 | Enverex | karsten, The machine is fine otherwise, I'll just write them in myself. I just thought it was rather bizarre |
| 20:53.39 | kurcze | hi |
| 20:53.43 | kurcze | does anybody know how to enable faad support in gstreamer on Debian? |
| 20:54.04 | karsten | Enverex: Sure, if that's all that it needs you should be good to go. |
| 20:54.05 | dave_is_sexy | hmm. i am sceptical that the archive can be unpacked |
| 20:54.21 | dave_is_sexy | how am i ever going to get my wireless card to work :( |
| 20:54.21 | kurcze | I want to play some m4a files throught gstreamer engine and no matter what I install... it doesn't work |
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| 20:54.35 | Enverex | karsten, What entries other than physical drives does Debian normally have? |
| 20:55.45 | karsten | Enverex: I'd also check, though: /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, /etc/network/interfaces. Notes are now appendix D.3, see D.3.4 for a basic checklist: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en#id2550989 |
| 20:56.00 | karsten | Enverex: /proc and swap. /sys takes care of itself. |
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| 20:56.30 | Enverex | karsten, All the other files are fine |
| 20:56.33 | karsten | Enverex: Also any standard removable devices, eg: /media/cdrom, /media/floppy. Generally not USB. |
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| 20:57.37 | Enverex | Yeah, I know the basics... |
| 20:57.55 | karsten | OK |
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| 20:58.55 | xand | dave_is_sexy: maybe you could run it in wine :) |
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| 20:59.29 | JordiGH | I think that when machines in my local school network boot into Windows, they immediately see available printers and can choose which one to print from. Is this possible from Debian? |
| 20:59.29 | Enverex | What's the mountline for proc? |
| 20:59.30 | dave_is_sexy | xand: yeah, i think i'm past caring. its not going to work |
| 20:59.31 | karsten | xand: Beat you to that. |
| 20:59.35 | Enverex | (not one I want to get wrong) |
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| 20:59.47 | b_jonas | please help |
| 21:00.00 | pdbogen | b_jonas : We'll help, but FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T TELL US WHAT YOU NEED. |
| 21:00.02 | karsten | Enverex: proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
| 21:00.10 | b_jonas | since I've upgraded to etch, gv won't remember my settings even if I click save |
| 21:00.11 | Enverex | heh, got it right then |
| 21:00.12 | JordiGH | Everything here is Windows. Presumably the printers use whatever software that's available for Windows too. |
| 21:00.12 | karsten | !tell b_jonas about ask |
| 21:00.16 | b_jonas | in the setup options dialog box |
| 21:00.41 | b_jonas | it does write the settings to the file ~/.gv |
| 21:00.44 | b_jonas | but doesn't load them |
| 21:00.52 | b_jonas | it always starts with the default settings |
| 21:01.03 | b_jonas | why could that be? |
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| 21:01.23 | dave_is_sexy | well if i can't get my wireless working for the 9th evening, i guess it's game over. on another note, is xpdf the best for speed and compatibility? |
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| 21:01.47 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : xpdf is not bad. acroread is actually pretty quick, though. |
| 21:01.53 | karsten | b_jonas: I wasn't aware gv *had* an options file. |
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| 21:02.03 | kth` | Is it possible to bridge wired ethernet interface with a wireless ethernet? Or does that require special mac spoofing capabilities on the wlan card? |
| 21:02.12 | karsten | b_jonas: It's not mentioned in the manpage. Might run strace and see if it's even being accessed. |
| 21:02.21 | pdbogen | kth` : Yes to your second question. |
| 21:02.27 | pdbogen | kth` : Lots of wireless cards can't do it. |
| 21:03.16 | b_jonas | I didn't know about the config file either, only that I could change the configs from the dialogs and could save them :) |
| 21:04.20 | b_jonas | the info page does mention ~/.gv |
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| 21:04.55 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: acroread is 9mb! |
| 21:05.09 | dave_is_sexy | no, 22.9mb!!! |
| 21:05.17 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : It is. But it's still pretty quick, in my experience. Fast enough, anyway. YMMV. |
| 21:05.24 | ChloeD | acroread is non-free :( |
| 21:05.25 | dave_is_sexy | hmm |
| 21:05.29 | pdbogen | It's that, too. |
| 21:05.40 | dave_is_sexy | flash is non-free, |
| 21:05.50 | ChloeD | flash has no decent alternative. |
| 21:05.55 | dave_is_sexy | true |
| 21:05.56 | ChloeD | acroread has :) |
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| 21:06.32 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: I like xpdf, cause it's small in true size; no big borders |
| 21:06.40 | dave_is_sexy | well you gotta try em all :) we can't all go on hearsay. |
| 21:06.46 | dave_is_sexy | itchi: i like it too |
| 21:06.51 | b_jonas | ok, I'll strace it to see if it reads the file |
| 21:07.22 | ChloeD | evince is neat. |
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| 21:07.31 | b_jonas | but as it's an X app, the strace output is quite long |
| 21:07.48 | b_jonas | it does open ~/.gv |
| 21:07.57 | dave_is_sexy | so, if anyone's in london do they wanna come help me with my wireless? :) |
| 21:08.01 | delire | xpdf has terrible mouse focus problems on my systems. |
| 21:08.12 | b_jonas | and reads it in |
| 21:08.26 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : Will you pay for my plane ticket? |
| 21:08.27 | jelly-home | b_jonas: man strace, esp. the -e arg: strace -eopen,read some app |
| 21:08.35 | abchirk | How can I look which device is e.g. xmms using at the moment? |
| 21:08.38 | b_jonas | I can grpe for open too, thanks |
| 21:08.42 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: there has to be a london linux user's group. |
| 21:08.47 | b_jonas | but as it does open it |
| 21:08.48 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: no. you are clearly not in london already |
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| 21:08.53 | b_jonas | I don't know what more to check about that |
| 21:08.56 | dave_is_sexy | cureless: oh yeah |
| 21:09.00 | dave_is_sexy | hmmm |
| 21:09.04 | dave_is_sexy | exciting! |
| 21:09.07 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : Well, figured I'd offer, anyway. |
| 21:09.23 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: London is big enough that they might actually have a irc channel somewhere, google it up |
| 21:09.38 | itchi | delire: How so? |
| 21:09.42 | dave_is_sexy | cureless: will do |
| 21:09.45 | karsten | cureless: /join #thames |
| 21:09.55 | cureless | karsten: me? what for? |
| 21:09.57 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: omg, this is Adobe Reader 7 |
| 21:09.58 | b_jonas | is there an irc channel for gv or something like that? |
| 21:10.21 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : Is that a good omg or a bad omg? |
| 21:10.30 | dave_is_sexy | well, i'll keep it around for when xpdf doesn't work |
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| 21:10.36 | nzk|irssi | Is it possible to make the amarok irssi plugin read the amarok songs i'm playing on another computer? |
| 21:10.36 | dave_is_sexy | just surprise |
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| 21:10.59 | delire | itchi: last time i tried i had to click to the left of the scrollbar to scroll in xpdf. other focus problems with buttons too if i recall correctly. the fact i run sid might have something to do with it, i'm not sure. |
| 21:11.02 | cureless | nzk|irssi: you can ask in the amarok channel. |
| 21:11.17 | raf256 | itchi: hmm |
| 21:11.24 | raf256 | itchi: omg |
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| 21:12.38 | itchi | delire: You mean, scroll down? Push page up or page down, or activate the 'Continuous view', so that your able to go up and down more as one page at a time |
| 21:12.44 | ditoa | i just installed debian for the first time in vmware workstation |
| 21:12.46 | ditoa | man it is so awesome |
| 21:12.54 | itchi | ditoa: vmware server is free |
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| 21:13.03 | raf256 | itchi: the fluxbox vista do not look like a vista.. got any XP skin :) ? |
| 21:13.07 | ditoa | i know but work paid for vmware workstation so i use that ;) |
| 21:13.12 | itchi | ditoa: Not the workstation |
| 21:13.20 | itchi | ditoa: Yup :-) |
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| 21:13.27 | ditoa | i am so impressed |
| 21:13.32 | itchi | raf256: I not have vista :-) |
| 21:13.40 | ditoa | i mean i have tried a few linux distros before but all have let me down |
| 21:13.54 | raf256 | itchi: got an XP skin for fluxbox? |
| 21:13.54 | ditoa | i dont mind editing conf files but i get annoyed when simple stuff gets complex |
| 21:14.06 | ditoa | but with debian everything has worked so perfectly, even better than fedora or ubuntu! |
| 21:14.20 | itchi | ditoa: Actually, it's the 'default' setup, once you have tweak it like you want, you will be have much more fun :-) |
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| 21:14.33 | ditoa | well i am loving it so far |
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| 21:14.51 | ditoa | got ssh, apache, php, mysql, samba and swat all installed and working perfectly |
| 21:15.03 | cureless | what did you expect? :-) |
| 21:15.05 | ditoa | had to make a simple edit to xorg.conf to get my scroll wheel working but thats cool |
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| 21:16.34 | ditoa | in ubuntu installing samba and swat didnt work right and i had to hack around with loads of files and it annoyed the hell out of me. i like things that "just work" and ubuntu didnt do that |
| 21:16.35 | raf256 | I have debian stable and fluxbox crashesh on run. Blackbox works... wtf? |
| 21:16.35 | ditoa | but debian is sweet |
| 21:16.37 | ditoa | i LOVED how the installer asked me what resolutions i wanted. every linux distro needs that! |
| 21:16.38 | itchi | raf256: Yeah, but have lost that one, i'm looking quick on the web |
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| 21:16.38 | cureless | raf256: do you have stock debian stable and fluxbox crashes on startup? |
| 21:16.38 | dererk | Hi there |
| 21:16.38 | raf256 | cureless: yes |
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| 21:16.39 | raf256 | cureless: installed yesterday |
| 21:16.39 | ditoa | i have 1440x900 widescreen res and ubuntu, etc. all couldnt do it, i messed around with xorg.conf but still nothing i couldnt figure it out but debian just listed it as an option :D |
| 21:16.40 | cureless | raf256: etch, right? |
| 21:16.50 | raf256 | Debian GNU 4.0 |
| 21:16.50 | itchi | raf256: Wait |
| 21:17.00 | itchi | raf256: Did you have the beryl-manager loaded in fluxbox? |
| 21:17.02 | dererk | I've check frontpages doc and wikipedia but could't find a short answer for this question: Does openvpn use encryption over the traffic, by default, when using Key-shared auth ? |
| 21:17.06 | raf256 | itchi: nope |
| 21:17.15 | itchi | raf256: Cause that's not supported |
| 21:17.15 | raf256 | didnt installed any speciall drivers nor kernel nor anything yet |
| 21:17.26 | cureless | raf256: any other repos in your apt config other than official ones? |
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| 21:17.32 | raf256 | when I load blackbox and from it select to change to fluxbox it crashes as well |
| 21:17.39 | itchi | raf256: I may say, move your ~/.fluxbox and try again |
| 21:17.45 | dererk | I tended to think that yes |
| 21:17.47 | Walter_Victor | hi!! How can I automatically start a interface or pppd "pon" whenever I plug my adsl modem on usb? |
| 21:17.48 | dererk | but I'm not sure |
| 21:17.52 | raf256 | cureless: now, it is 100% pure 100% natural simply and no-hacking-in-it installation |
| 21:17.57 | raf256 | s/now/not |
| 21:18.06 | ditoa | so am i right in saying gdm is part of gnome? |
| 21:18.15 | cureless | raf256: are the $HOMEs new too or from an old system? |
| 21:18.16 | itchi | ditoa: Yes and no |
| 21:18.17 | raf256 | itchi: ok but I really doubt since I installed fluxbox 1 minute before running it |
| 21:18.23 | ditoa | what is gdm then? |
| 21:18.25 | raf256 | cureless: new |
| 21:18.31 | ditoa | i understand that it is the login window thing? |
| 21:18.32 | itchi | ditoa: It's 'made' for gnome |
| 21:18.34 | x_link | ditoa: GNOMEs login manager |
| 21:18.41 | ditoa | ok |
| 21:18.45 | ditoa | so i just installed fluxbox |
| 21:18.50 | ditoa | but it still uses gdm? |
| 21:18.53 | itchi | ditoa: You need to look about DM (display manager). See /msg dpkg dm |
| 21:19.05 | dererk | Anyone? |
| 21:19.09 | b_jonas | if I manually xrdb -merge ~/.gv |
| 21:19.12 | b_jonas | then the options are loaded |
| 21:19.12 | raf256 | deleting ~/.fluxbox didnt helped |
| 21:19.15 | x_link | ditoa: It iwll use GDM, as lond as you don't install anything else. |
| 21:19.26 | jandro | hello, i have recently installed sucessfully debian (lenny) on my VAIO laptop, but the battery's life is really low, i doesn't last almost an hour (compared with the two hours in windows), what do i have to setup to make it work fine or even better? Thanks |
| 21:19.35 | ditoa | does fluxbox have a dm? |
| 21:19.39 | b_jonas | I think that's what I'll do than unless someone tells me a non-kludge solution |
| 21:19.47 | ktwilight | jandro, cpufreqd, IIRC |
| 21:20.03 | dererk | jandro, try looking for laptop-tools |
| 21:20.06 | cureless | raf256: I don't use fluxbox, (or stable for that matter) so my help is only theory, not practice. Do you have the updates repo? |
| 21:20.13 | ditoa | oh how sext is fluxbox :D |
| 21:20.17 | ditoa | i love it |
| 21:20.17 | raf256 | cureless: yes |
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| 21:20.32 | dererk | sorry, the correct name is laptop-mode-tools |
| 21:20.33 | raf256 | I really didnt done ANYTHING strange yet, I installed it like a moment ago, 100% fresh system |
| 21:20.34 | jandro | ktwilight, dererk, ok, i'll have a look |
| 21:20.41 | cureless | ditoa: no. There are 3 main DMs, xdm, kdm and gdm. You don't have to use any of them if you don't want to. (and in theory you can only use one at a time). |
| 21:20.48 | dererk | jandro, laptop-mode-tools, that is the name of it's package |
| 21:21.02 | dave_is_sexy | well that london group is a little quiet |
| 21:21.09 | ditoa | if i dont use a DM how do i start fluxbox? |
| 21:21.19 | cureless | raf256: do this, exit graphical mode, run xinit, on the xterm you get run fluxbox, see what you get. |
| 21:21.28 | ktwilight | startx amybe |
| 21:21.34 | raf256 | cureless: ok |
| 21:21.44 | cureless | ditoa: from the command line, startx like ktwilight said. |
| 21:21.48 | dave_is_sexy | there's only 38 people and they're all silent. 38 in greater london! i feel... in the minority |
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| 21:21.56 | ditoa | ok cool |
| 21:22.03 | ditoa | so how do i kill fluxbox and gdm? |
| 21:22.17 | dererk | Nobody is used to Openvpn? |
| 21:22.18 | ktwilight | ps ax | grep fluxbox | kill -9 <PID> |
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| 21:22.40 | pdbogen | ktwilight : killall -9 fluxbox ? |
| 21:22.41 | stoner | somebody could recommend me a good p2p program?? |
| 21:22.42 | cureless | ditoa: fluxbox you can just exit. As for gdm, you can either disable it or remove the package. |
| 21:22.45 | Walter_Victor | hi!! How can I automatically start a interface or pppd "pon" whenever I plug my adsl modem on usb? |
| 21:22.56 | ktwilight | pdbogen, never try that |
| 21:22.57 | raf256 | I cant run xinit |
| 21:22.58 | ditoa | how do i configure what DM i use? |
| 21:23.02 | ktwilight | i never try that i mean. |
| 21:23.03 | aredhel | Walter_Victor, for interfaces run "man interfaces" and look at the allow-hotpug stuff. |
| 21:23.09 | dererk | Walter_Victor, yes, look for allow-hotplug |
| 21:23.09 | cureless | stoned: irc.... oh wait ... :-) |
| 21:23.11 | raf256 | it complains about "no xterm in PATH" - isnt that an error? like xinit should depend on xterm? |
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| 21:23.28 | cureless | raf256: how come? |
| 21:23.29 | pdbogen | raf256 : xinit runs an xterm by default. |
| 21:23.43 | raf256 | but xterm was not installed |
| 21:23.45 | cureless | raf256: how did you select what you were going to install on the system? tasksel? |
| 21:23.51 | pdbogen | raf256 : There's your problem. |
| 21:23.55 | raf256 | cureless: no, by hand - aptitude install |
| 21:23.57 | stoner | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:24.11 | raf256 | stoner: fpt? |
| 21:24.14 | raf256 | ftp |
| 21:24.14 | pdbogen | stoner: netcat |
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| 21:24.17 | cureless | raf256: well, xinit doesn't depend on xterm, you can run xinit and tell it to run something else. (it's a set of scripts) |
| 21:24.29 | dave_is_sexy | stoner: deluge is quite nice, and linuxdc++ |
| 21:24.40 | raf256 | cureless: hmm.. ok, how to tell aptitude to install recommended things as well by default |
| 21:24.54 | raf256 | cureless: what is the proper way to "install all the standard desktop task thingies" |
| 21:24.56 | cureless | raf256: just install x-window-system iirc and it'll install all deps. |
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| 21:25.52 | cureless | raf256: or maybe now it's just xorg... |
| 21:25.53 | raf256 | mhm |
| 21:25.53 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: any frontends to netcat? |
| 21:25.53 | cureless | raf256: yes, try aptitude install xorg |
| 21:25.54 | raf256 | how to tell aptitude to install sugested things as well |
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| 21:25.55 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : netcat lets you read and write to arbitrary network sockets. |
| 21:26.17 | cureless | raf256: it should do it by default, however, just install xorg, it's a meta package. |
| 21:26.17 | raf256 | ok |
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| 21:26.18 | TimRainey | Is there any progran I can put on my debian machine to be able to putty into it on the local network? |
| 21:26.22 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: uh-huh. i don't think that's very high on my to do list ;) |
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| 21:26.38 | cureless | TimRainey: you mean like ssh? |
| 21:26.38 | raf256 | how to install fonts? (basic ones + some extra as well) |
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| 21:26.38 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : I was just trying to not support his attempts at piracy. |
| 21:26.39 | TimRainey | yes curless |
| 21:26.50 | pdbogen | TimRainey 'ssh-server' |
| 21:26.59 | ChloeD | openssh-server even |
| 21:27.00 | cureless | TimRainey: well, .... install ssh |
| 21:27.20 | dave_is_sexy | pdbogen: i use bittorrent for legit stuff. like debian isos |
| 21:27.40 | ChloeD | TimRainey: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 21:27.41 | cureless | raf256: install xorg, it'll have a good starting set. |
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| 21:27.49 | TimRainey | thank you |
| 21:27.55 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : He didn't ask for a way to quickly get ISOs in an infrastructure-friendly manner. |
| 21:27.55 | ChloeD | and there you go :) |
| 21:28.05 | cureless | ssh is a meta-package, it includes openssh client and server |
| 21:28.14 | dave_is_sexy | lol |
| 21:28.19 | raf256 | when I run fluxbox from xterm it shows errors, and in VT where I run xinit I see error about AIGLX something. I have nvidia card, what should I do? I dont need fancy 3d desktop (althou it would be cool to have) |
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| 21:29.20 | ChloeD | cureless: tim didn't ask for the client :) |
| 21:29.22 | cureless | raf256: does fluxbox not start at all? |
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| 21:29.38 | delire | I'm writing a manual for the 3D modeling application Blender. One section of the manual focuses on the installation of software. What is the definitive page to point Debian newbies to in the interests of ensuring the get up and running with hardware 3D acceleration in Debian (ATI/NVIDIA cards in particular). I'd like that they try free drivers before the proprietary ones. |
| 21:29.38 | raf256 | I do not want to complain, but.. fresh install, all 100% naturaln, STABLE distro, and fluxbox doesnt work |
| 21:29.41 | ChloeD | with a single ssh machine and no plans to access somewhere else, the client isn't interesting. |
| 21:29.42 | raf256 | cureless: yes |
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| 21:30.16 | cureless | raf256: you selected things by hand, not by tasks which means you might need to do manual config for things to work. |
| 21:30.31 | dave_is_sexy | is there a gtk scrabble? |
| 21:30.43 | pdbogen | dave_is_sexy : apt-cache search scrabble ? |
| 21:30.44 | cureless | ChloeD: though it could be useful for testing ssh'ing locally |
| 21:30.45 | raf256 | delire: in short: the free drivers suck. With one exception: i815/915/945 which is as mediocrate in free linux driver as in closed windows one. Well, i915 is quite usable for basic 3d (i.e. Quake 3 would run fine) |
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| 21:30.50 | dave_is_sexy | oh really? |
| 21:30.56 | Alarm | hello i got a problem on kde-debian to set up the time. although xchat shows the right time, and when i "adjust time & date" have the correct, time , in the task bar i get 3 forward. when i change it , it messes it up and shows 29 april 21:00 although its 1may 0:30 here. even after a restart the same problem |
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| 21:31.08 | raf256 | cureless: how to select it now |
| 21:31.11 | delire | raf256: yes i know they suck for the most part. i'm a graphics developer. i'll make them aware of this in the manual. |
| 21:31.13 | Alarm | i did change the timezone and did put athens |
| 21:31.21 | delire | raf256: of the shortcomings i mean.. |
| 21:31.37 | cureless | raf256: you can run tasksel, however, we should be able to figure out what your problem is. |
| 21:31.53 | cureless | raf256: my problem is I'm running out of time and I need to go do some work. |
| 21:31.53 | raf256 | delire: free nv is useless for 3d (and barable for 2d desktop). Free i915 is tollerable for 3d and nice for 2d I suppose. Didnt tried Radeon yet |
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| 21:32.18 | raf256 | delire: AFAIR, unfortunatelly, for 3d - get nvidia + closed driver :/ |
| 21:32.30 | delire | Is there no one page to point newbies needing hardware acceleration in Debian. I normally compile and sometimes package my own ATI drivers from source, but would never reccommend others to do the same of course. |
| 21:33.14 | raf256 | cureless: ok, care to figure it out? |
| 21:33.26 | raf256 | delire: on open driver? how usable is it in 3d games say tremulous |
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| 21:33.43 | cureless | raf256: what errors did you get when you ran fluxbox? |
| 21:33.53 | raf256 | cureless: wait, let me kill X (its hard) |
| 21:34.07 | cureless | raf256: what's hard and why do you need to kill X? |
| 21:35.04 | delire | raf256: i don't know, i don't run the free drivers. i'm too interested in Shader Programming. |
| 21:35.37 | arencinosa | had any of you used iptables to generate network statistics? |
| 21:35.39 | raf256 | cureless: I had to killall -9 xinit and alt-ctrl-backspace |
| 21:35.52 | cureless | raf256: why? |
| 21:35.52 | raf256 | arencinosa: I thought there are tools for that like iftraf |
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| 21:36.05 | raf256 | cureless: ctrl-C in text VT where I run xinit didnt killed xinit |
| 21:36.06 | delire | arencinosa: there are tools for that yes. |
| 21:36.25 | raf256 | and killall -9 xinit didnt free the VT-7 |
| 21:36.42 | raf256 | cureless: ok, I can start a blackbox from xinit. now will try with fluxb |
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| 21:37.19 | raf256 | fluxbox fails with: FailedToRead: session.tabs - setting default value - and so on for like 30 or more values |
| 21:37.41 | delire | arencinosa: i wrote a 3D network visualisation program if you're interested ;) perhaps a little experimental for your needs.. |
| 21:37.44 | Ronin | and did you ask in #fluxbox raf256 ? |
| 21:37.45 | raf256 | and then it displays: apps file failure and hangs there (all that text is in the initial aterm) |
| 21:38.02 | raf256 | Ronin: yes, they responded: <_markt> use blackbox |
| 21:38.19 | Ronin | and you havent heard of sarcasm? heh |
| 21:38.27 | arencinosa | delire: sure! |
| 21:38.34 | raf256 | Ronin: yes I see, I ment they wherent too insightfull on my problem |
| 21:38.35 | arencinosa | what do you use for it? |
| 21:38.48 | raf256 | cureless: so... got ideas? |
| 21:38.53 | delire | arencinosa: well really it needs to run on a router to be of any interest as a _network visualiser_. fine on a single interface though. |
| 21:38.53 | arencinosa | raf256: which one? |
| 21:39.00 | delire | arencinosa: http://packetgarden.com |
| 21:39.21 | Ronin | raf256: so? ask again later, be patient you of all people should know the drill, you complain about things being broken enough |
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| 21:39.30 | cureless | raf256: any other errors after or before the FailedToRead lines? |
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| 21:39.45 | raf256 | cureless: I dont see other errors (how to scrollback?) |
| 21:39.46 | devian_ | THE GRUB after installation hanging after showing "GRUB loading stage1.5"....why the problem is creating ?? |
| 21:39.52 | itchi | raf256: Sorry, was away, i scroll up |
| 21:39.57 | cureless | raf256: btw, did you get a crash? or do you just not see anything? |
| 21:40.10 | m4lu6 | grr. would somene have apt, or dpkg, or whatever the helpful bot's name is tell me about the nvidia one-liner, or whatever it is called? thanks. |
| 21:40.28 | raf256 | cureless: the X session is frozen. doesnt react to anything, although mouse pointer correctly changes shape over the aterm window. |
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| 21:40.39 | arencinosa | delire: I ment what do you use for packet capturing? |
| 21:40.57 | cureless | raf256: by the x session frozen what do you mean, you can't type? |
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| 21:41.08 | raf256 | [23:39] <_markt> you can fix it by running `touch ~/.fluxbox/apps' |
| 21:41.28 | raf256 | cureless: yes, all keyboard or mouse things have no effect, in example I cant select aterm text nor ctrl-C it |
| 21:41.34 | m4lu6 | nm. it's 'nvidia one-liner'. got it for myself. |
| 21:41.52 | raf256 | I cant kill xinit |
| 21:42.08 | delire | arencinosa: i use python-pcap i packaged it for Debian actually. |
| 21:42.12 | raf256 | I had to alt-ctrl-backspace to reset it... |
| 21:42.12 | cureless | raf256: I assume you cant control-alt-backspace? |
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| 21:42.19 | delire | arencinosa: anyway, i can certainly reccommend: http://www.secdev.org/projects/scapy/ |
| 21:42.26 | delire | arencinosa: incredible project. |
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| 21:42.41 | cureless | raf256: do the same thing again, but this time run "strace fluxbox" |
| 21:42.43 | Alarm | can debian change the values of the bios ? i checked for the time in the bios it was wrong, fixed it , rebooted and checked if the settings where saved and were ok |
| 21:42.44 | delire | arencinosa: many options for you as far as graphing are concerned. |
| 21:42.48 | arencinosa | delire: did you see ntop? |
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| 21:43.02 | xand | Alarm: it can change the time, yes |
| 21:43.03 | Alarm | log into kde, and the time is again as also the date, i change it , and suddenly it changes the values from the bios as well |
| 21:43.08 | delire | arencinosa: yep. it's ok. only so much you can do before you start capturing packets though. |
| 21:43.11 | cureless | raf256: (you might need to aptitude install strace) |
| 21:43.13 | delire | arencinosa: iftop is pretty cool too. |
| 21:43.20 | Alarm | xand, i cant set the time correctly . i put the right time date and timezone |
| 21:43.33 | xand | Alarm: install ntpdate |
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| 21:43.36 | xand | and use that |
| 21:43.50 | Alarm | and everytime i get or 21:37 30-april , or 03:37 1st may but not 00:37 |
| 21:43.51 | xand | !ntpdate |
| 21:43.51 | dpkg | well, ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
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| 21:43.55 | pengwyn | ANYONE got a stock .bashrc that they can send me? One that is UTF-8 friendly |
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| 21:44.14 | itchi | raf256: Well, it's looks like i have missed many stuff ^ |
| 21:44.22 | dave_is_sexy | er, ok. if xfce crashes, how do i start it again. i did "startx" "xfce" "xfce4" "gdm" "thunar" and lots of other stuff |
| 21:44.23 | Alarm | ok installed |
| 21:44.30 | chop1 | pengwyn: Look in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 21:44.31 | raf256 | wtf |
| 21:44.42 | pengwyn | I deleted it |
| 21:44.47 | pengwyn | it's gone |
| 21:44.47 | Alarm | rockpc:/home/alarm# ntpdate |
| 21:44.47 | Alarm | 30 Apr 21:39:04 ntpdate[7391]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 21:44.56 | pengwyn | hhe |
| 21:45.19 | Alarm | local time is date is : 1 may 00:39 |
| 21:45.20 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: startxfce (maybe startxfce4) |
| 21:45.20 | dave_is_sexy | tried those |
| 21:45.20 | xand | Alarm: you need to specify a server... and that clock is wrong |
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| 21:45.33 | jandro | ktwilight: i have already installed cpufreqd and it's utils and ran the daemon, but it doesn scale yet, can you recommend me any guide about how to configure it and its options? |
| 21:45.39 | Alarm | xand, which i knew how... |
| 21:45.43 | raf256 | itchi: you see? |
| 21:45.46 | tuv | do i need to change any of X configs if i switch from vga to dvi? |
| 21:45.48 | Alarm | or which server |
| 21:46.00 | ktwilight | jandro, sorry, no time, but i would recommend you to google. |
| 21:46.09 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: so where are you stuck, startxfce4 is the command to run, does it give you file not found or some other error? |
| 21:46.12 | raf256 | itchi: I am stoping self from using words like ***** about soft that doesnt run out of the box at all, I am very polite - and no help :( |
| 21:46.13 | ktwilight | i had a quick howto on my blog too, just search ;) |
| 21:46.23 | Alarm | strange didnt have any problem with it till now. |
| 21:46.43 | dave_is_sexy | it says xserver is aleady started |
| 21:47.03 | rdz | hello all. how do i find files, that do NOT have a certain extension? |
| 21:47.05 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: which means there's an xserver running, try control-alt-F7 |
| 21:47.05 | itchi | raf256: I dunno the sollution :-s |
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| 21:47.11 | jandro | ktwilight: yeah, i'm trying, but i get lost through all the sites...i'll try to sharp the search more :) |
| 21:47.19 | pengwyn | my /etc/skel/.bashrc has "" in there |
| 21:47.24 | dave_is_sexy | cureless: what will that do? |
| 21:47.35 | pengwyn | e.g. 0 bytes e.g nothing |
| 21:47.37 | dave_is_sexy | i dont wanna loose my desktop again |
| 21:47.43 | pengwyn | I deleted it |
| 21:47.44 | itchi | raf256: Weird, cause i have never got that trouble you have :-s |
| 21:47.55 | Alarm | xand, where can i find those servers |
| 21:48.01 | pengwyn | I got one from SuSE but this is debian |
| 21:48.11 | wols_ | raf256: the thing is, by now you are known here |
| 21:48.17 | cureless | dave_is_sexy: control-alt-FX changes to other virutal terminals, 7 is the default X terminal. |
| 21:48.23 | ktwilight | jandro, "cpufreqd howto" gave me good results. so please, don't kid me. |
| 21:48.29 | raf256 | itchi: I simply install a lot of debians |
| 21:48.41 | raf256 | wols_: I ment other channel |
| 21:48.41 | dave_is_sexy | oooh |
| 21:48.48 | cureless | raf256: did you try strace? |
| 21:48.49 | pengwyn | and midnight commander looks like a bad 1996 ansi lacking bbs |
| 21:48.51 | dave_is_sexy | how do i get back agian? 1? |
| 21:48.51 | itchi | raf256: I use Debian here on every box at home |
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| 21:49.00 | itchi | raf256: Every box have fluxbox too |
| 21:49.05 | arencinosa | delire: did you try with iptables marks any time? |
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| 21:49.13 | itchi | raf256: Appart the servers, these not run X at all |
| 21:49.14 | wols_ | pengwyn: it's a NC clone. it's supposed to look like htat |
| 21:49.24 | jandro | ktwilight: i didn't, thanks |
| 21:49.28 | overnix | how do I find out how many packages are in etch? |
| 21:49.30 | pengwyn | I swear to god if someone helps me out, to fix this I will NEVER loose it again. |
| 21:49.36 | dave_is_sexy | ah i've got it now. that's very cool |
| 21:49.38 | Alarm | rockpc:/home/alarm# ntpdate otherntp.server.org |
| 21:49.38 | Alarm | 30 Apr 21:49:25 ntpdate[9835]: step time server 204.181.152.127 offset 330.768063 sec |
| 21:49.39 | pengwyn | I had it before |
| 21:49.43 | Alarm | still the same time |
| 21:49.43 | cureless | overnix: google |
| 21:49.53 | wols_ | Alarm: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 21:49.55 | overnix | cureless: What kind of query? I have tried a couple and come up dry. |
| 21:49.59 | pengwyn | nevermind sounds like no sympathy for lost data |
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| 21:50.15 | Alarm | same time. not the local one |
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| 21:50.25 | pengwyn | I would freely hellp 10 people with the same problem as me |
| 21:50.57 | pengwyn | who has an aterm without a scrambled ansi? |
| 21:50.59 | raf256 | itchi: perhaps the thing is I didnt installed ALL by hand and openbox misses some dependency |
| 21:51.13 | dave_is_sexy | pengwyn: i might have one. but have no idea if i do or not |
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| 21:51.28 | dave_is_sexy | or how to send it |
| 21:51.32 | Alarm | nice... |
| 21:51.34 | dave_is_sexy | does this thing do files? |
| 21:51.44 | omri | How can I change the color depth for X forwarding over SSH? |
| 21:51.59 | raf256 | Heh, if I use debian stable other devels complain I use old soft, if I install new debian guys say its unstable - so what the F one should use to be have all fixed/working? |
| 21:52.01 | cureless | overnix: according to popcon about 25148, though that may be old. |
| 21:52.02 | pengwyn | dave_is_sexy: I beg you to look, I will /j #flood you could paste it |
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| 21:52.16 | Alarm | hold on i think its ok now |
| 21:52.19 | Alarm | rebooting |
| 21:52.29 | overnix | cureless: ah, popcon would be a good way of counting |
| 21:52.34 | overnix | cureless: thanks. |
| 21:52.34 | h3sp4wn | raf256: I doubt people say etch is too old |
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| 21:52.47 | cureless | raf256: did you try to use strace? |
| 21:53.01 | cureless | raf256: btw, what version is your fluxbox? |
| 21:53.07 | omri | is there a command line tool for reading PDFs? |
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| 21:53.12 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: <raf256> 0.9.14 - the one in debian stable <_markt> old, old, old <NetFox> this is older than my grandma <_markt> whatever bug it has was probably fixed a year ago |
| 21:53.42 | raf256 | cureless: ^ |
| 21:53.43 | pingouin | stupid question contest : i have an agp graphic card, so when i build a kernel i put the agp for my chipset,work perfect. i change the card, now it's pci express graphic card, what i'm supose to do with this agp stuff when i build a kernel ? |
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| 21:53.57 | dave_is_sexy | pd_whatever: it's looking |
| 21:54.17 | pengwyn | pengywn is listening |
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| 21:54.36 | cureless | raf256: ok, now did you try to run strace like I said? |
| 21:54.47 | raf256 | wait, trying to get normal logs first |
| 21:54.58 | kingsley | exim is bouncing thousands of local emails with the error message "pipe delivery process timed out". mainlog says "Spool file is locked (another process is handling this message)". What should I do? |
| 21:55.00 | dave_is_sexy | freekin thing is searching the dvd. things like this should listen when you say cancel |
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| 21:55.31 | pengwyn | kingsley, find the IP address and BAN it in iptables -IMO |
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| 21:55.47 | Alarm | xand, strange things happen . i did check on the "adjust time and date" the "set date and time automatically" from the pool.ntp.org server. i did reboot. changed the time in my bios. it did log on kde, it was showing 03:55 , and without me doing anything it loged out of the session alone. i loged in and the time stands now 21:55 30 of apri |
| 21:55.56 | kingsley | pengwyn: They local messages. |
| 21:56.00 | kingsley | pengwyn: They're local messages. |
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| 21:56.12 | pengwyn | local users then? need to be bann3d? |
| 21:56.24 | pengwyn | sorry about the 3 |
| 21:56.29 | Alarm | plus now when i opened the adjust time and date window , my taskbar shows 21:56 and the clock in that window shows 18:55 |
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| 21:56.48 | dave_is_sexy | pengwyn: well it just seems tobe taking 100% cpu and doing nothing. this os is fine for fun, but currently dire for productivity |
| 21:56.48 | dutchfish | Alarm, i know issue, just run tzconfig and reconfig timezone the same as it was |
| 21:57.02 | pengwyn | you can clean the queue |
| 21:57.11 | Alarm | change first the bios or dont touch it at all |
| 21:57.20 | h3sp4wn | raf256: Have they actually made a release ? |
| 21:57.29 | dutchfish | Alarm, no bios change is needed |
| 21:57.36 | h3sp4wn | raf256: (even experimental only has 0.9.15.1+1.0rc2-1) |
| 21:57.45 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: I dunno, join #fluxbox please |
| 21:57.50 | arencinosa | delire: did you ever try iptables for statistics? |
| 21:57.52 | pengwyn | I just do a exim -bpc (find out how many I am about to delete) |
| 21:58.01 | dave_is_sexy | and it never listens when you tell it to close a program. any solutions for that in this os of power, choice, freedom, and control? |
| 21:58.03 | h3sp4wn | raf256: no thanks |
| 21:58.05 | Alarm | ok did it |
| 21:58.06 | Alarm | Your default time zone is set to 'Europe/Athens'. |
| 21:58.06 | Alarm | Local time is now: Mon Apr 30 21:57:51 EEST 2007. |
| 21:58.06 | Alarm | Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 30 18:57:51 UTC 2007. |
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| 21:58.06 | stoned | cureless: ? |
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| 21:58.12 | pengwyn | then I just do a |
| 21:58.18 | Alarm | bbut doesnt seem to show the right time |
| 21:58.21 | pengwyn | 1 sec |
| 21:58.35 | cureless | stoned: yes? |
| 21:58.44 | Alarm | dutchfish, still wrong date and time. its 00:58 , 1st may here |
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| 21:58.53 | xand | Alarm: thats all wrong |
| 21:59.01 | kingsley | pengwyn: The problem started when my ISP misconfigured its email, which caused thousands of bogus bounced messages to appear on my box. Now email messages are undeliverable on my box because of the errors that I quoted above. |
| 21:59.06 | pengwyn | Then I do a... |
| 21:59.08 | dutchfish | Alarm, if you have installed nrpdate run ntp [your isp ntp server] |
| 21:59.09 | stoned | 05:22 < cureless> stoned: irc.... oh wait ... :-) |
| 21:59.14 | Ankman | has sarge problems with UTF-8? |
| 21:59.16 | dutchfish | Alarm, ntpdate* |
| 21:59.16 | stoned | cureless: did you need something? |
| 21:59.40 | Alarm | i did that dutchfish as xand told me, and did check the box on the 'adjust time and date' tool , to select automatically the time and date |
| 21:59.42 | Alarm | but nothing |
| 21:59.56 | dave_is_sexy | ...and what's the shortcut for a task manager? like htop. because i need it at least once every hour atm |
| 22:00.02 | dutchfish | Alarm, you did run it after tzconfig? |
| 22:00.09 | Alarm | no |
| 22:00.10 | cureless | stoned: I think I was making a funny remark to some question about peer 2 peer, can't recall now. |
| 22:00.10 | stoned | dave_is_sexy: aptitude install htop && htop |
| 22:00.10 | pengwyn | for i in `exim -bpr|awk {'print $3'}`do /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mrm $1done |
| 22:00.10 | stoned | ? |
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| 22:00.13 | raf256 | lol I know \o/ |
| 22:00.14 | Alarm | before |
| 22:00.18 | raf256 | I should be a debian devel in QA |
| 22:00.19 | stoned | cureless: but why address me? |
| 22:00.20 | stoned | :) |
| 22:00.22 | Alarm | shall i do it again now ? |
| 22:00.22 | dutchfish | Alarm, plz do |
| 22:00.36 | cureless | stoned: because I probably wasn't paying attention to the nick completion. |
| 22:00.40 | stoned | oh |
| 22:00.41 | Alarm | ok it may log me out automatically. is any reboot requiered ? |
| 22:00.43 | stoned | ok, just wondering |
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| 22:00.58 | cureless | stoned: np, it was my mistake anyway. |
| 22:01.00 | dutchfish | Alarm, ntpdate doesnt log you out |
| 22:01.01 | pengwyn | whoop |
| 22:01.07 | pengwyn | for i in `exim -bpr|awk {'print $3'}`do /usr/sbin/exim -v -Mrm $1;done |
| 22:01.07 | dave_is_sexy | stoned: no i have it. just figued it out. ctrl+alt+f1, the htop, then do stuff, then ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 22:01.07 | m4lu6 | feck. "failed to load module nvidia (module does not exist) ... wtf. |
| 22:01.09 | stoned | cureless: so you're really cureles? |
| 22:01.14 | stoned | like no cure |
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| 22:01.34 | m4lu6 | it's sitting RIGHT THERE in usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. grr. |
| 22:01.40 | cureless | apparently, maybe I should rename to "stillcureless" |
| 22:01.42 | stoned | dave_is_sexy: ahh.. you can also switch ttys with chvt.. man chvt |
| 22:01.42 | pengwyn | sorry about that ";" typo my keyboard sux |
| 22:01.44 | dutchfish | Alarm, no reboot required |
| 22:01.55 | Alarm | rockpc:/home/alarm# ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 22:01.55 | Alarm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:02.02 | stoned | cureless: hehe |
| 22:02.09 | dutchfish | Alarm, date now? |
| 22:02.14 | dave_is_sexy | that is freekin cool! this thing needs a better manual |
| 22:02.18 | Alarm | seems ok , but on the taskbar i see 04:00 now |
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| 22:02.28 | stoned | what thin |
| 22:02.32 | stoned | dave_is_sexy: what? |
| 22:02.35 | dutchfish | Alarm, huh? |
| 22:02.41 | dutchfish | Alarm, gnome? |
| 22:02.43 | Alarm | kde |
| 22:02.43 | stoned | there i one thing that is amazing about new york.. PIZZA! |
| 22:02.47 | dave_is_sexy | stoned: the steps i just proposed |
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| 22:03.00 | dave_is_sexy | stoned: ehat's ttys? |
| 22:03.00 | dutchfish | Alarm, ok, for that it needs a reboot, that it |
| 22:03.02 | stoned | dave_is_sexy: write a script.. using chvt |
| 22:03.05 | stoned | !tty |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | tty is probably an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 22:03.06 | Alarm | eheh ok |
| 22:03.08 | Alarm | give me a second :) |
| 22:03.24 | dave_is_sexy | stoned: er, no that's fine thanks. maybe in june |
| 22:03.29 | stoned | hehe ok |
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| 22:05.16 | Alarm | xand, dutchfish finally its ok. i wonder how did this change without me touching anything |
| 22:05.28 | dutchfish | Alarm, its an installer issue i gues |
| 22:05.28 | m4lu6 | arhgh. for a decade now, nvidia, so frustrating. |
| 22:05.43 | Alarm | well, at least i am done with it now thanks to you :) |
| 22:05.50 | Alarm | god bless the ntp servers hehe |
| 22:05.55 | dutchfish | Alarm, yw |
| 22:05.58 | phasegen | anyone know of an faq or tutorial somewhere to show me how to display system info (file system, cpu usage, cpu temp,memory usage) on my desktop in gnome? |
| 22:06.07 | Alarm | thank you a lot dutchfish and xand |
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| 22:07.14 | pengwyn | no .bashrc for me? |
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| 22:08.04 | pengwyn | nevermind I got one from a server |
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| 22:08.22 | pengwyn | unbelievable |
| 22:08.30 | pengwyn | no UTF-8 crap in there |
| 22:08.43 | pengwyn | just alias's |
| 22:08.58 | phasegen | guess not... |
| 22:09.28 | pengwyn | I will have to fix my xterm[s] to only use xterm |
| 22:09.42 | pengwyn | or gterm |
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| 22:09.57 | pengwyn | thanks folks |
| 22:10.03 | pengwyn | later0n |
| 22:10.14 | Enverex | Damnit, can't install ImageMagick due to unresolable dependencies :/ |
| 22:10.34 | pengwyn | thank you to dave_is_sexy |
| 22:10.38 | pengwyn | also ^ |
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| 22:11.58 | dutchfish | phasegen, vmstat? |
| 22:11.58 | Myelin | Hello, What is the command to know the missing dependencies of the package? |
| 22:12.03 | arencinosa | delire? |
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| 22:13.12 | pengwyn | 219.166.34.81 is evil |
| 22:13.16 | pengwyn | exit |
| 22:13.48 | dave_is_sexy | ok let's say, some terrible program decides to download 3,000,000 words. use all cpu and memory. how (tf) do i kill it |
| 22:14.40 | dave_is_sexy | this is the sinlge most important ability to have. control |
| 22:14.56 | dutchfish | Myelin, apt-cache depends? |
| 22:15.03 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: kill -9 <pid> |
| 22:15.15 | dave_is_sexy | no, i can't get a terminak |
| 22:15.16 | dave_is_sexy | l |
| 22:15.27 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: why? |
| 22:15.30 | dave_is_sexy | i can't do anything but cut the power. |
| 22:15.38 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: so why even ask? |
| 22:15.42 | Myelin | <dutchfish> Ok. And Thanks. |
| 22:15.44 | dave_is_sexy | becaus eit's using 100% of ALL resources |
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| 22:15.45 | arencinosa | so, what do you want? |
| 22:16.21 | dave_is_sexy | because in windows if i hammer ctrl+alt+delete, it takes 10 seconds for task manager to come up and let me kill the bad process |
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| 22:16.42 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: please, take calm, be patient, and go to a terminal |
| 22:16.45 | dave_is_sexy | i want a way to handle processes which take over |
| 22:16.58 | dave_is_sexy | no, i've done it now. by cutting the power |
| 22:17.05 | dave_is_sexy | i know how to kill a process |
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| 22:17.13 | zinx | dave_is_sexy: sounds like it's monopolizing the hard drive |
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| 22:17.21 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: what about alt+f2? |
| 22:17.22 | zinx | dave_is_sexy: possibly due to swapping |
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| 22:17.37 | dave_is_sexy | but the os is like "oh, i'll ignore the user's input because this process is more importnat" |
| 22:17.37 | pickcoder | (over)swapping |
| 22:17.40 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: I guess zinx is right |
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| 22:18.03 | dave_is_sexy | i want to b the os's number 1 priority. it should listen to me above all |
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| 22:18.51 | dutchfish | dave_is_sexy, no, you dont, but if read about renice |
| 22:18.52 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: sorry, but *you* are not a process :) |
| 22:19.05 | dave_is_sexy | how about i configure the escape button, to kill the most intensice process |
| 22:19.13 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: if the program had any sanity it would have limited it's memory usage |
| 22:19.31 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: That will be sad, imagine in vim hehe |
| 22:19.37 | dave_is_sexy | no, but monitoring the keyboard input is a process. debian should always respond to key strokes |
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| 22:19.48 | arencinosa | dave_is_sexy: maybe you can create an script that check for resources use |
| 22:20.03 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: there are monitoring packages available |
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| 22:20.12 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: That all depend of the 'state' |
| 22:20.13 | dave_is_sexy | linux is like.. old. it must be able to do a simple thing like prioritise |
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| 22:20.27 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: It does too, see nice |
| 22:20.44 | dutchfish | dave_is_sexy, dont try to re-invent the wheel, if dont understand the kernels innner workings, read, read, read |
| 22:20.57 | dave_is_sexy | nice says "0" |
| 22:21.06 | Enverex | Is anyone here using Sid? |
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| 22:21.18 | itchi | Enverex: Just ask, see /msg dpkg ask |
| 22:21.34 | Enverex | itchi, Don't give me that |
| 22:21.46 | pickcoder | !anyone |
| 22:21.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:21.47 | dutchfish | dave_is_sexy, and your logs are your friends ;) |
| 22:22.02 | Enverex | You all just like spamming really don't you |
| 22:22.15 | itchi | Enverex: Heh, take fresh beer and come back ;-) |
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| 22:22.33 | Enverex | I don't drink alcohol |
| 22:22.34 | itchi | Enverex: Btw, take one for me :-p |
| 22:22.46 | dave_is_sexy | there are just some things that are unbearable and should be default. if this os is always going to prioritise obviously retarded processes, and ignore everything else, everytime, then, regardless of some cool aps, it's no good for me. i do not need to read logs. stop spouting useless information |
| 22:22.56 | itchi | Enverex: arg, me too, appart Pisang Ambon :-) |
| 22:23.00 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: it's not the O/S that was at fault |
| 22:23.23 | dave_is_sexy | no, it is the program. correct. but the os, should have a mechanism to stop it |
| 22:23.29 | dutchfish | Enverex, i use lenny, etch and sarge, for now i wait for libc6 new version isout before trying sid |
| 22:23.43 | dave_is_sexy | it has kill, but no way of allowing me to execute the command, since it wont listen to me |
| 22:23.48 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: You are on a 'do it self' os heh |
| 22:23.56 | Enverex | You'd think they'd put the new package in the repo before removing the old one, I can't install imagemagick because it says one of the dependencies is missing (but it seems to be under a new name) |
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| 22:24.23 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: Otherwise you may take MS and just click and wait to reinstall every 2 months |
| 22:24.32 | dave_is_sexy | indeed. and as such, one would expect this os, above any other to listen to it's admin. am i wrong? is linux better than windows in this case? |
| 22:24.43 | holst | how can I install the debian "bash" package in /srv/chrootssh without using the full blown debootstrap command? |
| 22:25.00 | itchi | Enverex: Did you do aptitude update? But heh, it's called 'Unstable' for somethings :-) |
| 22:25.09 | dutchfish | Enverex, you could tweak the dep list inside of your imagemagic deb for that if you are on sid |
| 22:25.12 | itchi | Enverex: Look if there is already a report with a fix |
| 22:25.27 | Enverex | itchi, I can understand it being unstable due to "issues" but removing an old one before putting the new one in place just seems... dim |
| 22:25.41 | Enverex | dutchfish, it's the lib I need to change, but yeah... |
| 22:25.49 | dave_is_sexy | actully my win2k installation is 2 years old and perfect. i put a lot of time into it, learned everytihng and now it never has any problems of any kind. windows xp sucks and always will, and can't be fixed. but 2k, is in my experience the best os |
| 22:25.59 | itchi | Enverex: About which packages is it exactly? |
| 22:26.24 | itchi | dave_is_sexy: I agree for that one |
| 22:26.40 | Enverex | itchi, imagemagic needs libmagick, libmagick Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>=1.701.0) but it is not installable |
| 22:26.45 | dutchfish | Enverex, or compile the lib yourself |
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| 22:27.38 | tonyb2006 | http://www.defectivebydesign.org/actions/open_letter/warner_music |
| 22:27.40 | dutchfish | Enverex, but dont expect miracles from this, there is aparently a good reason why it is no in repos |
| 22:27.57 | dave_is_sexy | so, in this room of expert users, no-body knows how to kill a retard process short of cutting the power |
| 22:27.59 | Enverex | dutchfish, What is this "good reason" then? |
| 22:28.17 | itchi | Enverex: I'm wrong or ...? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libmagick;dist=unstable |
| 22:28.21 | dutchfish | Enverex, that the old want was to broken for the curent system of sid |
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| 22:28.38 | dutchfish | Enverex, (as an example) |
| 22:28.38 | Enverex | itchi, ... great... |
| 22:28.59 | Enverex | itchi, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=libmagick9;dist=unstable |
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| 22:29.50 | Enverex | itchi, and here is the already filed bug for it : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421494 |
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| 22:30.25 | Enverex | Just hope the maintainer jumps on it soon |
| 22:30.43 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: if you have a regular issue with running abusive programs look at sysfence |
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| 22:30.55 | pickcoder | or run them in virtual servers |
| 22:30.56 | dave_is_sexy | pickcoder: THANK YOU |
| 22:30.59 | itchi | Enverex: Yeah heh |
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| 22:32.07 | dave_is_sexy | pickcoder: oh thankyou so much, i was just about to give these 4gb to windows 2000. |
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| 22:33.13 | holst | nobody know any ideas? |
| 22:33.48 | spunkmail | anyone know php accelerator package for etch? |
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| 22:34.03 | Enverex | What's the eaisiest way to download a package? apt-get -d makes sense but you need a flag and if you add install then it wont download it because it says not all the deps are made but I don't want to instal it I just want to download it >.< |
| 22:34.24 | dutchfish | holst, a sec |
| 22:34.40 | holst | thx, ill hang on (and get a soda) |
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| 22:38.34 | dave_is_sexy | pickcoder: while sysfence is a solution, it's pretty crude. it can just kill things. what would be nice would be just a way to get control of htop, but without it popping up everytime i burn a cd, or run aptitude |
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| 22:40.41 | namit_home | hey anyone know where i can ask about bind? |
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| 22:41.03 | cafuego | Depends on what you're asking about it |
| 22:41.03 | itchi | namit_home: Try /msg chanserv list *bind* |
| 22:41.08 | tuv | is a 32bit chroot in any way better than using ia32libs? |
| 22:41.09 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: even if you run an application with 20+ nice, you can still hit swapping problems if the application is memory abusive. |
| 22:41.24 | pickcoder | swapping degredates the responsiveness of any O/S |
| 22:41.33 | cafuego | tuv: It's an *actual* 32bit userspace |
| 22:41.43 | namit_home | na its just problem am having seam to have set the refresh time lot long and now the other servers are talking to long to pick up on my changes |
| 22:41.55 | cafuego | tuv: So *all* 32bit userpsace apps are available. |
| 22:42.08 | Thms | how can I know my cpu usage ? |
| 22:42.11 | holst | dutchfish: so, i already finished half my soda... =D |
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| 22:42.14 | dutchfish | holst, i believe the simplest way is by debootstrap, copying dirs/files from another system is also possible but alot of work, debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/buildroot |
| 22:42.19 | Przemcio78 | hi |
| 22:42.23 | tuv | cafuego, aren't they available with ia32libs? |
| 22:42.36 | holst | dutchfish: hehe, ok. but is debootstrap really minimal? |
| 22:42.39 | namit_home | itchi: thanks for that |
| 22:42.42 | cafuego | tuv: Stuff like macromedia flash or java, no |
| 22:42.48 | dutchfish | holst, yes, its not gigantic |
| 22:43.02 | holst | still, it contain lots of "stuff" |
| 22:43.08 | dutchfish | holst, just enough to have a running system |
| 22:43.11 | tuv | cafuego, actually i'm particularly interested in mplayer 32bit binary codecs (win32codecs) |
| 22:43.16 | itchi | namit_home: No problem, your welcome :-) |
| 22:43.34 | cafuego | tuv: yeah, chroot is the way to go, then. |
| 22:43.34 | dave_is_sexy | pickcoder: i see. you seem to know lots about this. so if i make a big swap partition, things will be better. good to know. but in extreme cases, there is no way to just kill (ie open a terminal) |
| 22:43.34 | holst | well, i dont need a "running system" |
| 22:43.34 | cat | is there a way to specify another color for directories ? |
| 22:43.34 | holst | i need a chroot |
| 22:43.41 | tuv | cafuego, so win32codecs won't work with ia32libs? |
| 22:43.43 | cafuego | cat: yes |
| 22:43.47 | cat | how? |
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| 22:44.04 | pickcoder | dave_is_sexy: no.. a large swap partition just keeps your kernel from running itself into the ground sooner |
| 22:44.09 | cafuego | tuv: I've not heard of people using 'em that way. Maybe they do, but it's too much of a pain, I dunno. |
| 22:44.10 | dutchfish | holst, oki this needs only bare bones |
| 22:44.16 | pickcoder | if the application is not mindful of memory usage it will take your machine down |
| 22:44.22 | cat | cafuego: how would i do it? |
| 22:44.38 | Przemcio78 | how many cds are necessary for download to install debian? |
| 22:44.39 | pickcoder | I have a server here that has been taken down by a poorly designed SQL service bridge |
| 22:44.41 | cafuego | cat: You set $DIR to be the colour code you want |
| 22:44.52 | cat | how what's the command? |
| 22:44.52 | pickcoder | 2GB of RAM plus 4GB of swap |
| 22:45.00 | cafuego | cat: So for example mine are green. export DIR="01;33" |
| 22:45.02 | pickcoder | the disk I/O kills the scheduler |
| 22:45.38 | dutchfish | holst, http://lists.nuxeo.com/pipermail/cps-devel/2005-August/001556.html |
| 22:45.44 | zinx | less swap = memory fills faster = process gets OOM killed faster. |
| 22:45.45 | rahul | pickcoder: which I/O scheduler are you using? |
| 22:45.49 | pickcoder | it was non-responsive within 60 seconds of a bad query |
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| 22:46.05 | zinx | so your 4GB of swap was hurting you there |
| 22:46.11 | cafuego | Irrespective, after using 4GB of swap your box won't be recovering |
| 22:46.18 | pickcoder | zinx: right |
| 22:46.25 | cafuego | Be quicker to let it die, reboot... |
| 22:46.28 | rahul | pickcoder: does the DB use multiple threads? |
| 22:46.36 | pickcoder | no.. it forks |
| 22:46.45 | rahul | that's fine |
| 22:46.54 | zinx | cafuego: it'll recover fine if you can kill the process, or it gets OOM killed |
| 22:46.55 | holst | hmm |
| 22:46.56 | holst | --variant=buildd|fakechroot |
| 22:46.57 | rahul | pickcoder: using a more suitable I/O scheduler may help |
| 22:47.12 | pickcoder | it's a moot point now, I've upgraded the O/S and the service |
| 22:47.15 | rahul | is it actually USING swap? |
| 22:47.25 | pickcoder | and complained numerously about their mal-use of memory |
| 22:47.29 | cafuego | zinx: Getting the pid when wasiting for 4GB of swap to be shunted around is possible, but will taake you a few hours. QWuicker to just die & start again. Been there, done that. |
| 22:47.31 | pickcoder | mal-use == blind use |
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| 22:47.36 | rahul | oh, lovely |
| 22:47.47 | rahul | pickcoder: that's why people use oracle |
| 22:47.49 | zinx | cafuego: Or put less swap on the system. :P |
| 22:48.04 | pickcoder | don't get me started on a MV versus Oracle debate |
| 22:48.06 | cafuego | pickcoder: You could set a ulimit on the db, so it can't run away in a swapping/forking fenzy. |
| 22:48.14 | zinx | you got that much swap.. you need more ram |
| 22:48.39 | rahul | MV? |
| 22:48.54 | pickcoder | zinx: when I set the box up (RH9.. btw) I didn't think about the rammififcations |
| 22:48.58 | rahul | pickcoder: what's MV? |
| 22:49.03 | cafuego | funny punny |
| 22:49.07 | pickcoder | multi-value... Pick.. Universe, D3, etc |
| 22:49.09 | rahul | RAM, hah |
| 22:49.39 | pickcoder | I just followed the old config rule |
| 22:49.45 | pickcoder | which doesn't apply on machines now |
| 22:49.50 | cafuego | That's a 2.2 kernel rule |
| 22:49.53 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:50.12 | rahul | pickcoder: were you using Pick? |
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| 22:50.49 | pickcoder | I still am |
| 22:50.57 | pickcoder | along with thousands of companies around the world |
| 22:51.19 | rahul | thousands more use mysql |
| 22:51.30 | cafuego | Even more use windows, does that make using windows an even better idea? ;-) |
| 22:51.33 | pickcoder | IBM has boosted things since they bought the U2 products |
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| 22:51.50 | pickcoder | most of the DB designs are moving to XML |
| 22:52.00 | rahul | hah |
| 22:52.03 | rahul | XML. |
| 22:52.03 | zinx | cafuego: Clearly. The sheep have spoken! The sheep do not lie! |
| 22:52.13 | cafuego | zinx: baah to you too |
| 22:52.33 | pickcoder | 1NF isn't exactly real-world applicable |
| 22:52.34 | rahul | yeah, XML is great for storage... |
| 22:52.44 | pickcoder | but this isn't #database |
| 22:52.49 | zinx | rahul: it's so efficient |
| 22:52.58 | rahul | zinx: once you gzip it ;) |
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| 22:53.07 | cafuego | It's not efficient, BUT it's human-readable. |
| 22:53.12 | rahul | cafuego: it is? |
| 22:54.05 | pickcoder | it's multi-relational |
| 22:54.05 | pickcoder | unlike 2-dimensional tables |
| 22:54.06 | rahul | pickcoder: it is? |
| 22:54.07 | rahul | XML isn't relational at all. |
| 22:54.07 | pickcoder | nesting isn't relational? |
| 22:54.07 | tuv | cafuego, according to this page http://blogs.sun.com/richb/entry/flash_not_working_with_firefox flash can work using ia32libs. not sure about win32codecs though |
| 22:54.08 | zinx | XML is hierarchical |
| 22:54.08 | rahul | pickcoder: no |
| 22:54.08 | zinx | pickcoder: no |
| 22:54.08 | xuser | Is there a reason why the pkg flashplugin-nonfree doesn't show up in aptitude? |
| 22:54.08 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:54.08 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:54.08 | rahul | pickcoder: it's pretty much the opposite |
| 22:54.09 | zinx | pickcoder: nesting is hierarchical |
| 22:54.10 | cafuego | tuv: Well, I use flash with nspluginwrapper, not using w32codecs at all. |
| 22:54.20 | rahul | pickcoder: (which is useful at times, but it's not the whole world) |
| 22:54.22 | zinx | pickcoder: that's pretty much the definition of it, in fact :/ |
| 22:54.27 | pickcoder | ok.. it's multi-dimensional |
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| 22:54.39 | rahul | pickcoder: it's adimensional |
| 22:54.41 | tuv | cafuego, i thought you said i'd need a chroot for flash to work |
| 22:55.00 | melodos | hi! i was wondering if theres any ide for C available for debian.. |
| 22:55.03 | rahul | pickcoder: there's no axes to hierarchial data, same as your filesystem |
| 22:55.07 | cafuego | tuv: No, that's just what most people use now (nspluginwrapper is new and beta) |
| 22:55.14 | zinx | not to mention XML isn't anywhere near a reasonable format for anything except interchange |
| 22:55.24 | zinx | everything it does can be done a TON better with a specialized format |
| 22:55.25 | rahul | zinx: and it's crap for that, too |
| 22:55.25 | pickcoder | zinx: tell that to MS |
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| 22:55.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:55.35 | rahul | pickcoder: MS already knows |
| 22:55.40 | cafuego | tuv: I use a chroot for my media processing (ffmpeg) though |
| 22:55.55 | zinx | pickcoder: oh, *MS* uses XML for completely unreasonable purposes? Well, then, it MUST be good! |
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| 22:56.04 | tuv | cafuego, why? ffmpeg can run in 64-bit mode, can't it? |
| 22:56.05 | rahul | heh |
| 22:56.18 | pickcoder | anyway |
| 22:56.22 | cafuego | tuv: Yes, but x264 is somewhat broken on 64bit and Ic an't be bothered fixing it. |
| 22:56.36 | cafuego | (again) |
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| 22:56.55 | tuv | cafuego, i'm using libflash-mozplugin at the moment. it doesn't play everything but it works without any 32bit stuff |
| 22:56.58 | rahul | the only thing I've seen with XML and oracle ended up with the DB architect getting fired. |
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| 22:57.29 | rahul | same with XML and messaging for that matter :P |
| 22:57.30 | DawnLight | where is a good place to learn basic linux networking? |
| 22:57.41 | Enverex | Weird, alsamixer on my laptop says No such device and I have no sound at all. Makes no sense as the modules are loaded and everything "looks" normal |
| 22:57.48 | rahul | DawnLight: the NAG |
| 22:57.54 | rahul | !nag |
| 22:57.54 | dpkg | methinks nag is the Network Administrator's Guide, available at linuxdoc.org |
| 22:57.56 | pickcoder | rahul: yeah.. EDI was far better for messaging |
| 22:58.03 | pickcoder | </sarcasm> |
| 22:58.08 | rahul | edi? |
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| 22:58.34 | pickcoder | ok.. I've gotta hit the road |
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| 22:59.03 | rahul | oh my god |
| 22:59.05 | rahul | edifact |
| 22:59.11 | cafuego | The thing with XML is that say an OOo odt file is a bit mreo readable in vim than a doc file is. |
| 22:59.24 | tony_ | so, I did 'apt-get install fortune', but I don't have fortune binary installed ..? |
| 22:59.26 | pickcoder | http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/index.html |
| 22:59.28 | zinx | rahul: But... the World Wide Web 2.0 uses XML, it has to be good! |
| 22:59.34 | pickcoder | Dawn has some interesting articles |
| 22:59.50 | rahul | zinx: lawl |
| 22:59.50 | pickcoder | sometimes she goes a bit outward though |
| 22:59.50 | Studiosus | is there list of public channels for Debian developers? |
| 22:59.51 | Enverex | So, anyone feel like a foray into the audio field to help me get sound back on my laptop? |
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| 22:59.59 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:00.13 | gravity | Studiosus: What are you looking for, exactly? |
| 23:00.17 | tony_ | Enverex: Try #alsa |
| 23:00.30 | dutchfish | ls |
| 23:00.32 | bamnet | any idea why i'm getting "Connection refused from x.x.x.x" for sshd and proftpd on my debian box? |
| 23:00.46 | tony_ | bamnet: /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 23:01.00 | rahul | cafuego: no structured format should be read in raw form, tho |
| 23:01.13 | cafuego | rahul: Tell that to the national archives here |
| 23:01.14 | rahul | cafuego: it defeats the purpose of _having_ a structured format |
| 23:01.41 | cafuego | rahul: THing is, by seeing only the XML and *no* specs, you can still write a parser. |
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| 23:02.14 | rahul | cafuego: a parser which will let you do absolutely nothing with the data |
| 23:02.17 | gravity | Studiosus: There's many channels for developers, many of them are specific to a topic (like X, or the installer) so being more specific about what you want will help |
| 23:02.33 | cafuego | rahul: To a certain extent it's auto-documenting. Sure it eats cpu cycles and disk space, but those are cheep these days. |
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| 23:02.39 | rahul | cafuego: and that encourages lack of specs |
| 23:02.58 | rahul | cafuego: they're not cheap when it means you need to buy 10x as many blades for your cluster |
| 23:03.20 | rahul | a $50,000 cluster is much cheaper than a $500,000 cluster |
| 23:03.29 | cafuego | rahul: Just sell those itanium POS slow-ass blades already |
| 23:03.34 | rahul | uh |
| 23:03.43 | rahul | !penixstrike cafuego |
| 23:03.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cafuego to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:03.53 | cafuego | !mhallsmite rahul |
| 23:04.00 | rahul | HEH. |
| 23:04.01 | dondelelcaro | hell, the advantage is that you don't have to write a parser for XML |
| 23:04.13 | Studiosus | gravity: It's interesting to see java-related or kernel-related channels |
| 23:04.18 | xingu | the most annoying thing about xml is that you have to recieve the end of a message before you can route it. |
| 23:04.19 | rahul | dondelelcaro: uh, we covered that... that's where the 10x performance loss is |
| 23:04.28 | dondelelcaro | rahul: over what? |
| 23:04.31 | rahul | xingu: eh, not really |
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| 23:04.35 | gravity | Studiosus: There's #debian-kernel, although it's probably on oftc (irc.debian.org). I'd assume there's a #debian-java also |
| 23:04.38 | rahul | dondelelcaro: well, practically anything else |
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| 23:04.47 | dondelelcaro | if you're in a position where the performance loss matters, then you should be using something else |
| 23:04.48 | Studiosus | gravity: thx =) |
| 23:04.50 | gravity | Studiosus: You can usually search the Debian wiki for the team-specific information |
| 23:05.00 | cafuego | rahul: TO me, having an undocumented readable format is a much better idea than an undocumented binary format. |
| 23:05.02 | rahul | dondelelcaro: ASN.1 being the most general, but EDI is actually decent |
| 23:05.12 | Enverex|LT | That channel is dead as always. So, back to the question about what could be wrong with the sound card... |
| 23:05.22 | rahul | cafuego: an undocumented binary format is a pain to write a parser for, so people don't do that |
| 23:05.36 | rahul | cafuego: at least people with any desire to maintain sanity :) |
| 23:05.44 | rahul | dondelelcaro: of course. |
| 23:05.51 | cafuego | rahul: I think you'll find epople kinda did, like the MS Office support for OOo/abiword/gnumeric ;-) |
| 23:06.01 | xingu | rahul: so why are there so many undocumented xml binary formats. :) |
| 23:06.03 | dutchfish | rahul, is there a good xml parsor usable in gnoom? |
| 23:06.11 | rahul | gnoom? |
| 23:06.18 | rahul | dutchfish: I don't deal with xml parsers |
| 23:06.20 | dutchfish | rahul, gnome* |
| 23:06.33 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: gnome is a UI; it has little need for an XML parser |
| 23:06.37 | DawnLight | is there airodump in the repos? |
| 23:06.37 | rahul | I let the XML people screw with XML |
| 23:06.53 | Enverex|LT | The drivers are loaded for my soundcard but for some reason when I try and use alsamixer I get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device". Any idea why this would happen? I can't figure it out. |
| 23:07.01 | rahul | dondelelcaro: er... glade? |
| 23:07.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Did anyone inform the glade devs? ;-) |
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| 23:07.21 | rahul | cafuego: heh, they forgot to read that memo |
| 23:07.30 | TimRainey | Is there a directory of all the things I can install using apt-get? |
| 23:07.43 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: glade isn't; it uses libxml2 to do that |
| 23:07.44 | rahul | xingu: pseudo-xml is truely irritating. |
| 23:07.56 | dutchfish | TimRainey, aptitude? |
| 23:07.57 | xingu | rahul: s/pseudo-// |
| 23:08.01 | rahul | dondelelcaro: right, they didn't right their own |
| 23:08.05 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Which would be the xml parser sued by gnome, right? ;-) |
| 23:08.12 | rahul | xingu: nah, real XML _can_ be dealt with, theoretically |
| 23:08.31 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: sure; My point was that there wasn't a gnome specific XML parser |
| 23:08.42 | xingu | rahul: real xml still requires you to wait for a close mark before processing the tag. |
| 23:08.46 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: or a need for some sort of XML UI |
| 23:08.49 | rahul | xingu: not necessarily |
| 23:08.55 | xingu | rahul: this is a *crippling* feature |
| 23:08.57 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: There will be, once the in-kenrel XML parser is done and we fork both Gnome and KDE versions. |
| 23:09.06 | rahul | xingu: you just need lazy parsing |
| 23:09.08 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 23:09.14 | xingu | rahul: last I looked nobody was increasing the speed of light or reducing the distance between continents |
| 23:09.14 | rahul | cafuego: haha |
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| 23:09.20 | xingu | rahul: lazy parsing doesn't help. |
| 23:09.24 | rahul | xingu: sure it does |
| 23:09.48 | xingu | rahul: xml doesn't specify the order of tags in a message |
| 23:09.52 | rahul | xingu: you don't need the close tag... you just keep parsing as you get data. you can even have blocking accessors |
| 23:09.56 | xingu | rahul: you must recieve the end of a message before routing it |
| 23:10.01 | rahul | xingu: XML isn't supposed to |
| 23:10.13 | xingu | rahul: your routing information might be in the first byte or in the last byte |
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| 23:10.16 | rahul | XML is for text, not structured data :) |
| 23:10.21 | xingu | rahul: it's a fricken waste of space |
| 23:10.24 | karsten | cureless: london channel == thames |
| 23:10.28 | dondelelcaro | xingu: so compress it |
| 23:10.32 | rahul | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 23:10.32 | karsten | cureless: Very bad obscure pun. |
| 23:10.39 | xingu | dondelelcaro: that makes the problem worse |
| 23:10.45 | dondelelcaro | xingu: not really |
| 23:10.54 | cafuego | Now look. You're all wrong and I'm right, let's leave it at that. |
| 23:10.55 | xingu | dondelelcaro: the problem is the latency involved between the start and end of message |
| 23:10.56 | dondelelcaro | xingu: there are plenty of compression algorithms which can be decompressed on the fly |
| 23:11.06 | xingu | dondelelcaro: compression/decompression increases the delay |
| 23:11.12 | rahul | dondelelcaro: are there any that can't? |
| 23:11.13 | dondelelcaro | xingu: if that's a problem, then XML is not the right format to use |
| 23:11.20 | xingu | xml is never the right format to use |
| 23:11.26 | rahul | xingu: depends on if you're CPU or bandwidth limited |
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| 23:11.38 | xingu | xml is a good way to describe how brilliant you aren't at data architecture |
| 23:11.44 | xingu | rahul: latency, always. |
| 23:11.54 | xingu | rahul: the speed of light isn't getting any quicker. |
| 23:11.58 | rahul | no, XML isn't ever the right format, but it's theoretically possible to use it, sometimes |
| 23:12.00 | cafuego | xingu: XML is fully the right format to use for my LJ-related svg/pdf invoice generator. |
| 23:12.20 | karsten | what's the tool to read / interpret / examine corefiles? gdb? |
| 23:12.25 | dondelelcaro | karsten: that's one, yes. |
| 23:12.26 | rahul | karsten: yes |
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| 23:12.51 | dondelelcaro | xingu: XML has limitations, but it's a perfectly legitimate method of exchanging data. If you meet its limitations, then you can use something else |
| 23:12.54 | karsten | danke |
| 23:13.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: You need to append a "BUT YOU BETTER BLOODY WELL DOCUMENT IT!!!!" |
| 23:13.24 | dondelelcaro | in many of the legitimate uses of XML, you don't particularly care how long it takes to handle the datafile |
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| 23:13.35 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, but that kind of goes without saying |
| 23:13.39 | coldsteal | im looking for gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:13.44 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: you'd *think* so.... |
| 23:13.47 | coldsteal | i cant find it |
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| 23:14.09 | BucWheat | hi all |
| 23:14.11 | rahul | XML is fine for exchanging textual data |
| 23:14.12 | Enverex | Oh dear... ok, so Sid is very, very, very broken at the moment... :/ |
| 23:14.16 | rahul | real data, not so much |
| 23:14.17 | RuiMT | need some help, i' using evdev in xorg and my down key is mapped as Super_R key, i can change it but the key only generates a press and a release event like the shift key, any idea why? |
| 23:14.27 | coldsteal | ! |
| 23:14.29 | coldsteal | !help |
| 23:14.49 | BucWheat | i can ping www.yahoo.com from xterm but i can't access www.yahoo.com from mozilla. what would be causing this? |
| 23:14.52 | cafuego | ANyway |
| 23:15.06 | cafuego | Any of you here in Melbourne and have a space PCI gfx card with tv out? |
| 23:15.09 | cafuego | spare |
| 23:15.22 | rahul | I have one in NYC :P |
| 23:15.30 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: can you links www.yahoo.com; or lynx or whatever? |
| 23:15.34 | cafuego | Well, aren't you just not sueful, then. |
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| 23:16.40 | n3kl | Hi. Is there a performance hit for running i686 on an amd64 cpu? |
| 23:16.44 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: let me try that now |
| 23:17.10 | coldsteal | gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:17.10 | coldsteal | im looking for gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:17.10 | rahul | ow ow ow |
| 23:17.10 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: some, but it kind of depends what you're doing |
| 23:17.10 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: no i cannot |
| 23:17.14 | cafuego | n3kl: Depends on what you do with it. Desktop apps, not so much. |
| 23:17.16 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: does it resolve? |
| 23:17.27 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: or rather, what is the error message you get? |
| 23:17.48 | n3kl | Since amd64 went "official" with etch, I thought I would try it out, and it seems faster, but lots more buggy on the same hardware... |
| 23:18.15 | cafuego | n3kl: COmpiling, media processing, db should be afster (and is for me) |
| 23:18.16 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: it is only saying Making connection now. I am waiting for it to time out again so i can give you the error message |
| 23:18.29 | cafuego | But stuff like openoffice, mail, web makes no difference. |
| 23:18.39 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: it usually says host not found |
| 23:19.23 | n3kl | cafuego: I notice a bit more performance out of the machine, but apps keep crashing. I could probable wait it out while the packages get better and run testing for a while. |
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| 23:19.46 | coldsteal | anyone |
| 23:20.02 | cafuego | I don't seem to have that problem (but then, my desktop doesn't run Debian) |
| 23:20.03 | coldsteal | debian names thing wrong so what would be gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:20.14 | zenwryly | Anyone know the difference between the xen 3.0 and 3.0-unstable packages? |
| 23:20.29 | n3kl | cafuego: disto? |
| 23:20.31 | Tenkawa | anyone having php dependency problems in unstable? |
| 23:20.35 | dutchfish | coldsteal, you mean bluez-gnome? |
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| 23:20.44 | cafuego | n3kl: A debian based one with roots in africa |
| 23:20.45 | Enverex | OH MY GOD I'm so stupid. Too used to Ubuntu doing everything for me. Forgot to add myself to the audio group >.< |
| 23:20.55 | coldsteal | dutchfish: its supposed to be gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:21.24 | rahul | coldsteal: uh. says who? |
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| 23:21.43 | cafuego | !info gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:21.51 | coldsteal | says everyone |
| 23:21.56 | rahul | coldsteal: bluez-gnome is the gnome part of the bluez package |
| 23:21.59 | cafuego | kage 'gnome-bluetooth' does not exist. |
| 23:22.08 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: the error message i get is: The operation timed out while trying to connect to www.google.com |
| 23:22.13 | n3kl | cafuego: ah, I am still learning debian, but I am slowly replaceing all of my linux servers with debian. its the best that I have tried, next to bsd |
| 23:22.16 | cafuego | coldsteal: Define "everyone", as I seem to not be in that group ;-) |
| 23:22.34 | cafuego | n3kl: Yup, the servers here all run Debian too. |
| 23:22.58 | coldsteal | i dont know |
| 23:22.59 | cafuego | oh, except for the mythtv server |
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| 23:23.04 | rahul | coldsteal: you are a tool. |
| 23:23.15 | n3kl | cafuego: speaking of which, what is mythtv |
| 23:23.15 | coldsteal | people tell me to get gnome-bluetooth |
| 23:23.16 | Dave_is_sexy | cafuego: aptitude install bluez-gnome |
| 23:23.29 | Dave_is_sexy | or coldsteel, whoever |
| 23:23.52 | coldsteal | and thats what i see in tuts |
| 23:23.52 | n3kl | cafuego: googleing... |
| 23:23.53 | coldsteal | thanks anyways for |
| 23:23.54 | dondelelcaro | BucWheat: well, if it's resolving, that sounds like you've got a proxy or something inline to port 80, or your connection really sucks |
| 23:24.05 | coldsteal | the bluez-gnome |
| 23:24.05 | cafuego | n3kl: a linux based PVR. |
| 23:24.09 | n3kl | cafuego: opensource tivo? |
| 23:24.11 | rahul | coldsteal: where does gnome distribute bluetooth apps? |
| 23:24.11 | cafuego | n3kl: (tv recording/playing app) |
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| 23:24.44 | n3kl | cafuego: hmm, if only I had tv =] |
| 23:24.48 | BucWheat | dondelelcaro: hrmm... no proxy and i can access inet fine on windows boxes connected to same network |
| 23:24.53 | Dave_is_sexy | coldsteel: there's also bluez-utils |
| 23:25.15 | cafuego | n3kl: You didn't hear it from me, but it imports torrents just fine. |
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| 23:25.53 | n3kl | cafuego: isohunt? |
| 23:26.22 | coldsteal | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeBluetooth |
| 23:26.41 | n3kl | cafuego: k =] |
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| 23:31.22 | karsten | cafuego: Looks like it's a bad day for knowledge. |
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| 23:31.38 | cafuego | bad day for what? |
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| 23:31.53 | xuser | What's the file that holds the path for pkgs? |
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| 23:32.13 | Azio | bah |
| 23:32.24 | TimRainey | I thought I had installed sql when I ran the installer on my machine, but I don't see any mention of it. I looked in apptitude, and there isnt a download for mysql, suggestions? |
| 23:32.27 | Dave_is_sexy | coldsteel: any luck? |
| 23:32.30 | Azio | I blame undernet |
| 23:34.13 | valdyn | TimRainey: what is "sql" supposed to be? |
| 23:34.26 | karsten | cafuego: You're denying it. I'm refuting it. |
| 23:34.43 | karsten | TimRainey: Which SQL database engine, IOW. |
| 23:35.02 | TimRainey | well the guy I had been working with said that the sql server entry during install of debian would be mysql, but I do not think this is the case as I cant seem to work with it at all |
| 23:35.05 | cafuego | TimRainey: sudo apt-get install mysql-server |
| 23:35.45 | TimRainey | interesting cafeugo, it is working, I did not see this when I was reading through apptitude |
| 23:35.52 | TimRainey | thank you |
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| 23:36.10 | karsten | TimRainey: ... or 'dpkg --get-selections | egrep '(mysql|postgr)' |
| 23:36.15 | dutchfish | cafuego, mysql-server-5.0 or mysql-server-4.1 to be exact |
| 23:36.21 | karsten | ... modulo quotes. |
| 23:37.20 | TimRainey | and my last question being the newb to linux/debian I am, I made a user for myself, but I do not seem to be able to do simple things like create a file in a directory, I can edit them, but not create them, is there a command or config I can find to modify these settings? |
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| 23:38.06 | stoned | rahul: you here.. or there? |
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| 23:39.12 | dutchfish | TimRainey, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 |
| 23:39.34 | GhostlyDeath | Can I Update gnome without breaking debian? |
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| 23:40.04 | rahul | stoned: yes |
| 23:40.11 | rahul | stoned: to both |
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| 23:48.51 | torshido | hi all, I have an old production server running Debian 3.0, I tried to upgrade it to 3.1 to upgrade it to 4.0 later, but /etc/apt/sources.list points to servers that dont exist anymoire |
| 23:49.20 | torshido | how can I get a sources.list to upgrade to 3.1? Should I upgrade to 3.1 first, and then to 4.0? |
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| 23:51.44 | kairu0 | hi all |
| 23:53.19 | theroue | What is the use of uploading nvidia-glx version 9755 without also uploading the 9755 nvidia-kernel package? |
| 23:53.28 | kairu0 | i've just installed samba on a domain member fileserver (debian etch) and am experiencing a delay of a few minutes after each reboot until i can access it from a win box. it doesnt accept the authentication during this time. how can i troubleshoot? |
| 23:53.42 | cafuego | theroue: So we can annoy nvidia buyers! |
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| 23:54.30 | dexomsrc | What is the use of uploading nvidia-glx version 9755 without also uploading the 9755 nvidia-kernel package? |
| 23:54.41 | Enverex | cafuego, Is there a serious answer or was that it? Going from a few other packages I really don't think that's unlikely :/ |
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| 23:55.43 | Skaag | any kind soul willing to help during a serious filesystem crisis caused by incompatible e2fs libraries..? :-( |
| 23:56.32 | Skaag | running 'ls' gives me this: ls: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/tls/librt.so.1: invalid ELF header |
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| 23:57.08 | DawnLight | does debian have void11 in the repos? |
| 23:57.18 | Enverex | If I download a source deb, i.e. "madwifi-source" what do I actually do with it? Isn't there some sort of special auto-compiling thingy? (if not then it seems kinda useless it being in the repos at all) |
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| 23:58.03 | kairu0 | Enverex, you'll probably need module-assistant |
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| 23:58.13 | kairu0 | Enverex, if i'm not mistaken it can do the rest for you |
| 23:58.14 | boka | DawnLight: check packages.debian.org |
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| 23:58.21 | maddash | I noticed today that there are two X11 processes running (http://pastebin.ca/466441), which I've nevered seen before. any clues why this is happening? |
| 23:58.45 | mmlj4 | did you enable remote logins in gdm? |
| 23:58.59 | mmlj4 | (just an idea, mind you) |
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| 23:59.31 | kevinl-- | are symlinks always chown root ? |
| 23:59.37 | Enverex | kairu0, Perfect (assuming it doesn't break) thanks |
| 23:59.55 | kairu0 | Enverex, i was assuming its a module. if its not i dunno |
