| 00:00.17 | rahul | JordiGH: in the real world, freedom includes the responsibility to respect and protect the freedoms of others, but that would require someone with morals :) |
| 00:00.56 | JordiGH | odrium: The attacks of the FSF on Debian are mostly due to Debian's distribution of the non-free repository (presumably, except for the GFDL docs Debian puts in non-free). |
| 00:00.57 | JordiGH | odrium: I think I also heard minor attacks against Debian due to Debian stripping binaries of debug symbols, but that's rather crazy, and it's just hearsay. |
| 00:01.02 | rahul | (morals being the things that allow a society to remain stable and fair to all its members) |
| 00:01.48 | JordiGH | rahul: Very good and dandy. What does this have to do with |
| 00:01.48 | rahul | JordiGH: even though it's the FSF's own licenses that support such non-free software |
| 00:01.52 | rahul | oh noes |
| 00:01.54 | JordiGH | 8:56 < rahul> you can't say you want someone to do something for you and have them do it for free |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | Piggy: squeal! |
| 00:02.11 | rahul | JordiGH: because that's freedom for a person |
| 00:02.23 | rahul | absolute freedom for a person is absolute slavery for everyone else |
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| 00:02.37 | JordiGH | rahul: Huh. |
| 00:02.41 | lhadji | lol |
| 00:02.53 | odrium | raulh: You have a misconcept of freedom |
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| 00:03.05 | odrium | freedom also means responsability |
| 00:03.11 | rahul | absolutes never work if you actually care about more than one person. |
| 00:03.11 | odrium | in my mind at least |
| 00:03.22 | rahul | odrium: you have a misability to read |
| 00:03.24 | JordiGH | rahul: The only FSF license that supports non-free [sic] software [sic] is the GFDL. |
| 00:03.34 | rahul | JordiGH: uh, LGPL? |
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| 00:03.48 | rahul | JordiGH: not that the GPL actually works either :) |
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| 00:03.53 | JordiGH | rahul: There's software in Debian's non-free under the LGPL? |
| 00:04.00 | odrium | you have a misability to recall others concepts |
| 00:04.03 | amphi | rahul: he means the documentation license |
| 00:04.15 | odrium | no rahul is right in this one |
| 00:04.28 | rahul | the GPL is impossible to enforce |
| 00:04.35 | rahul | it requires absolute presience |
| 00:04.39 | odrium | LGPL is the one with lesser (hence the name) liberties |
| 00:04.40 | rahul | prescience |
| 00:04.51 | Zeelot | hi |
| 00:04.57 | JordiGH | rahul, are you drunk? |
| 00:05.00 | rahul | the LGPL allows non-free C programs to exist |
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| 00:05.11 | rahul | JordiGH: no, which may be why you can't understand me |
| 00:05.21 | amphi | heh |
| 00:05.24 | JordiGH | rahul: Have a few drinks and then we'll talk, then. |
| 00:05.27 | rahul | heh |
| 00:05.27 | Zeelot | could anyone help me with an audio codec problem? I seem to have all the codecs working exept for AAC audio which I cant get to play on anything, im on Debian 4.0 |
| 00:05.29 | odrium | it doesnt have to be C programs only |
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| 00:06.16 | odrium | anyway I am going to read a lot of license shit today |
| 00:06.18 | rahul | odrium: well, that's all the GPL really works with, for the most part |
| 00:06.21 | odrium | because I have to clear my mind |
| 00:06.30 | odrium | yeah that's true |
| 00:06.37 | rahul | the GPL causes self-contradictions with dynamic languages |
| 00:06.48 | odrium | lol really? |
| 00:06.50 | rahul | hell, it causes self-contradictions with dynamic linking |
| 00:06.50 | odrium | why? |
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| 00:07.05 | rahul | odrium: because the concept of a derivative work is dynamic in a dynamic language |
| 00:07.21 | rahul | you can, through no fault of anyone else, create an illegal program |
| 00:07.27 | rahul | s/else// |
| 00:07.31 | odrium | but GPL appreciate derivative work |
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| 00:07.47 | karsten | Anyone know of practical limitations on the number of ssh *clients* which can be launched from a given host? |
| 00:07.53 | JordiGH | Man, watching these two talk is better than M-x psychoanalyze-pinhead. |
| 00:07.54 | odrium | it's one of its 4 golden laws |
| 00:08.11 | rahul | odrium: is a program that the user links against a GPL'd library and a proprietary library at runtime and then dumps an image of a GPL'd or proprietary program? |
| 00:08.32 | odrium | JordiGH: wtf? You are or too smart or my english is really bad |
| 00:08.47 | rahul | JordiGH: wow, you confused him with just that |
| 00:08.49 | Xenguy | odrium: emacs user :-) |
| 00:09.26 | odrium | hey english is not my main language I don't a full understandable capability of the language |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | karsten: check your ssh logs :) |
| 00:10.11 | odrium | rahul: that's true |
| 00:10.21 | Xenguy | odrium: emacs is a text editor that has a psychiatrist included as a feature ;-) |
| 00:10.31 | odrium | jajaja |
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| 00:10.59 | JordiGH | Xenguy: They're removing Zippy from Emacs. :-( |
| 00:11.09 | CaT[tm] | zippy? |
| 00:11.12 | odrium | rahul that seems like a necessary contradiction to make the change to a world conquered by GPL |
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| 00:11.23 | JordiGH | Maybe it'll be M-x psychonalyze-psychiatrist now. |
| 00:11.24 | Xenguy | JordiGH: really, I always thought it was funny |
| 00:11.27 | Jesus | hello everyone |
| 00:11.39 | CaT[tm] | heysus! |
| 00:11.56 | JordiGH | Xenguy: Whoever distributes the Zippy comics said that Emacs was breaking their copyright. :-( |
| 00:12.00 | odrium | ok... I need someone to explain me JordiGH jokesw |
| 00:12.29 | Jesus | Cat[tm] |
| 00:12.29 | Jesus | who do you say I am? |
| 00:12.30 | Xenguy | JordiGH: killjoys |
| 00:12.30 | rahul | odrium: that's ludicrous |
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| 00:12.30 | karsten | abrotman: 2nd-hand luser communications. Doesn't appear to be server side (already checked), it's client. |
| 00:12.30 | rahul | odrium: it just means that the GPL won't end up being enforcible in court |
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| 00:12.41 | karsten | User reports issues at ~200-300 clients. I'm up to 1257 instances w/o issues. |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | karsten: so what's the apparent limit ? |
| 00:12.43 | CaT[tm] | jesus: just some dude with a bloodied axe in one hand and a bible in the other. :) |
| 00:12.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:12.47 | JordiGH | rahul: But... the GPL has already been enforced in cours. |
| 00:12.49 | JordiGH | courts |
| 00:12.50 | abrotman | karsten: same client ? |
| 00:12.56 | karsten | abrotman: That's what I'm trying to establish. |
| 00:12.56 | odrium | yes thats true too |
| 00:13.02 | rahul | JordiGH: when? |
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| 00:13.15 | abrotman | karsten: he can't tell you his client ? |
| 00:13.19 | karsten | abrotman: Loop running 50 connections each (sleep 600) to 40 hosts. |
| 00:13.20 | JordiGH | rahul: Meh, google around. It made a splash. I think it was in Germany. |
| 00:13.31 | Maxigraf | hi, i'm using debian and trying to set up an nstxd server, whenever i try to connect with the nstxcd client i see only ServFail responses in tcpdump, anyone knows a solution? |
| 00:13.36 | karsten | abrotman: We're having a tad bit of detail lossage in communications at present. |
| 00:13.37 | rahul | germany, where it's illegal to make public domain works? |
| 00:13.37 | abrotman | karsten: maybe he's going to the same host ? |
| 00:13.41 | Jesus | cat[tm] |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | Jesus: do you have a question ? |
| 00:13.52 | karsten | abrotman: I don't believe so. I'm trying to find out. |
| 00:13.53 | Jesus | why do you point out the spec of dust in the eyes of others, when you fail to see the block of wood |
| 00:13.55 | Jesus | in your own eye? |
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| 00:14.10 | amphi | rahul: why not? if its terms are not accepted, normal copyright law applies |
| 00:14.19 | abrotman | karsten: you need more details |
| 00:14.23 | amphi | !confuse Jesus |
| 00:14.24 | dpkg | Yes, them are their hamster today, Jesus? shirts of the republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | karsten: /msg dpkg sicco :) |
| 00:14.34 | CaT[tm] | jesus: because the block of wood knocked out my eye? |
| 00:14.45 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 00:14.52 | rahul | amphi: what normal law? public domain is the absence of copyright |
| 00:14.53 | karsten | abrotman: This is work or I'd cluebat him. |
| 00:14.59 | AndyC1 | rahul: gpl is not public domain |
| 00:15.05 | rahul | amphi: that is illegal in germany |
| 00:15.11 | rahul | AndyC1: when did I say it was? |
| 00:15.21 | AndyC1 | rahul: i must have misunderstood you |
| 00:15.23 | amphi | rahul: gpl is not public domain - or I miss your point |
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| 00:15.32 | JordiGH | rahul: netfilter/iptables was able to enforce the GPL in 2004: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpl#GPL-related_disputes |
| 00:15.34 | odrium | rahul: you are right in what you say. But that would mean rewriting all of the standard libraries |
| 00:15.38 | rahul | in germany, public domain is illegal |
| 00:15.47 | dondelelcaro | rahul: it's not that it's illegal to make public domain, it's that there's no concept of it |
| 00:15.48 | odrium | and every library used by any program that owuld like to be GPL |
| 00:15.50 | rahul | odrium: that's what GNU _is_ |
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| 00:15.54 | RubenGA | Hello |
| 00:15.56 | nick108 | Hi there, I've got a huge amount of sleeping courier processes (http://phpfi.com/231151) |
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| 00:16.16 | nick108 | can someone tell me how to kill them in an elegant way? |
| 00:16.17 | rahul | the whole point of GNU is to rewrite standard tools and libraries |
| 00:16.31 | odrium | yes but in the beggining it had to start compiling with others libraries |
| 00:16.35 | rahul | nick108: configure it to not spawn as many workers? |
| 00:16.39 | dondelelcaro | rahul: which is why any time that someone PDs something, we ask that they also include verbiage like "or disclaims copyright to the maximum extent allowed by applicable law" |
| 00:16.47 | amphi | rahul: again, gpl is not public domain; it is copyrighted, and released under a license that gives rights over and above those granted by copyright law, if you accept the license |
| 00:16.50 | karsten | rahul: amphi: OT |
| 00:16.59 | Maxigraf | anyone knows anything about dns tunnels? because i used to use the perl scripts by dan kaminski and now tried nstxd and it doesn't seem to work... |
| 00:17.00 | amphi | karsten: ok |
| 00:17.14 | rahul | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 00:17.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | How come my samba shares are not working? |
| 00:17.21 | nick108 | rahul: sounds like a long term measure - will try to do that, but what about killing multiple sleeping processes? |
| 00:17.24 | rahul | dondelelcaro: but I dunno what that means in germany :) |
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| 00:17.34 | rahul | nick108: restart the server after reconfiguring it |
| 00:17.43 | nick108 | rahul: :-) |
| 00:17.47 | dondelelcaro | rahul: you'd have to have a german lawyer tell you, but it's the best that can be done |
| 00:17.49 | JordiGH | rahul is talking shit. I don't believe what he's saying. Someone check his BAL again. And rahul, I'm gonna have to ask you to pee in this cup too. |
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| 00:18.01 | rahul | heh |
| 00:18.16 | dondelelcaro | (germany is not the only country; places with authors rights have this issue too) |
| 00:18.20 | rahul | JordiGH: "After a preliminary hearing before Judge Patti Saris on February 27, 2002, the parties entered settlement talks and eventually settled. " |
| 00:18.42 | JordiGH | rahul: Read furhter down... the GPL has been enforced in 2004. And I'm still waiting for that urine sample. |
| 00:18.48 | AndyC1 | rahul: what difference does the legal state of gpl in germany make when it comes to you using software in it? |
| 00:18.54 | odrium | jaja |
| 00:18.57 | Xenguy | nick108: I don't know about gracefully, but 'pkill' will usually kill the whole bunch |
| 00:19.02 | AndyC1 | if it cant be enforced, it simply reverts to normal copyright law |
| 00:19.05 | rahul | JordiGH: ah. well, they didn't do anything that would make the GPL illegal to enforce... |
| 00:19.17 | rahul | AndyC1: I never said anything about gpl in germany |
| 00:19.28 | dondelelcaro | germany is actually one of the only countries that the GPL has been enforced in |
| 00:19.33 | nick108 | rahul Xenguy: is this courier specific or a generall system configuratioin (not to spawn too many processes)? where is it configured? |
| 00:19.42 | rahul | nick108: specific to the daemon |
| 00:19.54 | AndyC1 | rahul: ok, im thoroughly confused. so the public domain in germany and gpl questions are seperate? |
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| 00:20.03 | odrium | rahul: Conclusion. GPL is self-contradictory but is LEGAL XD. What a weird way of making real justice |
| 00:20.04 | nick108 | thanx guys |
| 00:20.15 | JordiGH | WTFPL is ungrammatical. Shouldn't it be "Do whatever the fuck you want license"? |
| 00:20.16 | rahul | "Wallace was denied the possibility of further amending his complaint, and was ordered to pay the FSF's legal expenses." |
| 00:20.19 | karsten | AndyC1: GPL is not pugblic odomain. |
| 00:20.20 | rahul | hahaha |
| 00:20.26 | AndyC1 | karsten: i know |
| 00:20.33 | AndyC1 | thats why i was telling him that |
| 00:20.36 | dondelelcaro | Wallace is not a useful case to bring up |
| 00:20.39 | rahul | AndyC1: I didn't ask any questions about pd in germany |
| 00:20.40 | JordiGH | rahul: The FSF totally pwned that n00b. |
| 00:20.50 | rahul | dondelelcaro: useful and funny are different things :) |
| 00:21.02 | AndyC1 | rahul: (06:13:35 PM) rahul: germany, where it's illegal to make public domain works? |
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| 00:21.11 | rahul | remind me to call him a tool if I ever meet him |
| 00:21.13 | rahul | AndyC1: yes |
| 00:21.20 | rahul | AndyC1: it's called a snide offhand remark |
| 00:21.26 | AndyC1 | ah |
| 00:21.33 | rahul | a.k.a. being an arse. |
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| 00:22.26 | nick108 | Xenguy: would a simple *pkill courier* do to kill all courier related sleeping processes? |
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| 00:22.46 | rahul | nick108: that's not clean |
| 00:22.52 | rahul | nick108: use the script in /etc/init.d |
| 00:22.52 | Xenguy | nick58b: without the asterisks, should |
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| 00:22.58 | odrium | well it have been a lovely talk |
| 00:23.12 | Xenguy | nick108: unless it doesn't ;-) |
| 00:23.20 | odrium | now I have to think a lot |
| 00:23.28 | JordiGH | odrium: Go hang out in #gnu. They will tell you that everything being GPLed is too much of a goal. ;-) |
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| 00:23.37 | odrium | i don't know where are my pants |
| 00:23.40 | amphi | odrium: you should always think a lot ;) |
| 00:23.41 | odrium | thanks dude |
| 00:23.44 | odrium | I will do that |
| 00:23.49 | rahul | donde estan mi pantalones. |
| 00:24.05 | odrium | jaja: donde estas mis cabrones pantalones |
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| 00:24.30 | GhostlyDeath_ | Why aren't samba shares with windows not working? |
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| 00:25.17 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: need more details ? |
| 00:25.36 | maasha | does the debian installer support WPA wifi? |
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| 00:25.53 | ufik | ppl hi... somebody say me plz how install this card : Compex RE100ATX/WOL on Debian 4.0 |
| 00:26.01 | GhostlyDeath_ | abrotman: The Windows computer doesn't see this computer but I see that computer but Noone (not even I) can access the samba shares |
| 00:26.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | and I can see myself |
| 00:26.35 | abrotman | CaBiDe: don't do that |
| 00:26.47 | amphi | er CaBiDe |
| 00:26.49 | Jesus | When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. |
| 00:26.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:26.51 | ufik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.56 | JordiGH | maasha: Yes it does. What it might not suppored is the wireless card. |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | Jesus: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 00:27.13 | maasha | JordiGH: well, nothing new there :o) |
| 00:27.13 | amphi | Jesus: could you be more vague? |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | !d-i MaartenLx |
| 00:27.36 | dpkg | MaartenLx, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | !d-i maasha |
| 00:27.40 | dpkg | maasha, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | damn it |
| 00:27.50 | amphi | heh |
| 00:28.06 | mmlj4 | Jesus: tell us why you got baptized, please |
| 00:28.09 | JordiGH | maasha: For the record, it's usually not Debian's fault if Debian has problems with your wireless card. Wireless vendors are notorious for not releasing free drivers. |
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| 00:28.31 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 00:28.37 | maasha | abrotman: heheeh. unfortunately i am trapped on this macosx box without any rights. and i will get in trouble if i try some funky stuff |
| 00:28.45 | JordiGH | Religious prosecution! |
| 00:28.50 | abrotman | maasha: uhm ok |
| 00:28.57 | amphi | JordiGH: 'persecution' |
| 00:29.00 | JordiGH | Or to G-d. |
| 00:29.09 | maasha | abrotman: though I send a weekle email to the sysadm requesting parallels so i can get debian |
| 00:29.14 | JordiGH | amphi: Yawveh goes to court too. |
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| 00:29.24 | ufik | somebody have drivers to Compex RE100ATX/WOL |
| 00:29.26 | ufik | ? |
| 00:29.28 | amphi | JordiGH: please don't parade your disgusting perversions |
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| 00:30.51 | Rodietze | hey have u guys seen Ubuntu with XGL+Beryl+emerald themes right? |
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| 00:31.02 | amphi | JordiGH: vishnu's not overly well equipped in the arms department, especially compared, say, to hundred-thousand-armed avalokiteswara ;) |
| 00:31.04 | Rodietze | Can I have the same on Debian 4? |
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| 00:31.17 | abrotman | officially xgl isn't in debian |
| 00:31.37 | Enverex | Well thank christ considering it's crap |
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| 00:31.45 | Enverex | AIGLX is the only decent one |
| 00:32.01 | JordiGH | AIGLX works fine with the Intel drivers. :-) |
| 00:32.01 | Rodietze | AIGLX? |
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| 00:32.01 | damog | Beryl is useless. |
| 00:32.05 | JordiGH | Never got it working with nvidia. |
| 00:32.10 | amphi | JordiGH: also with xorg radeon |
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| 00:32.12 | JordiGH | damog: Oh, I don't know. The expose feature is useful. |
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| 00:32.21 | Enverex | JordiGH, Works easily with the nVidia driver |
| 00:32.29 | Rodietze | well considering i have nvidia can I use compiz and AIGLX then on Debian? |
| 00:32.30 | JordiGH | damog: But you can use kompose if you only want that feature. |
| 00:32.35 | frankr | how can I cat a filename gotten w/ ls -l and grep |
| 00:32.37 | amphi | JordiGH: I agree, that's the one really useful thing in beryl |
| 00:32.45 | damog | JordiGH: Is that like the exposé thingie on MacOS? |
| 00:32.46 | JordiGH | Rodietze: Theoretically, yes. I've never got it working, though |
| 00:32.53 | JordiGH | damog: Yes. Neato. |
| 00:33.01 | damog | Useless too. |
| 00:33.06 | damog | Personally. |
| 00:33.26 | Rodietze | So Beryl == compiz as XGL == AIGLX ? |
| 00:33.28 | amphi | no |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | not == .. more like ~= |
| 00:33.30 | JordiGH | Rodietze: Beryl is a fork of compiz that's schedule to unfork soon. |
| 00:33.39 | JordiGH | ~= in the sense of perl? |
| 00:33.43 | Rodietze | kewl |
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| 00:33.48 | Rodietze | hehe I got it |
| 00:33.54 | Rodietze | like the have the same usability |
| 00:33.58 | JordiGH | AIGLX is... I have no idea what it is except that it makes Beryl work for me. |
| 00:34.04 | amphi | Rodietze: xgl is an xserver that runs on top of your 'normal' x server, is my understanding |
| 00:34.33 | rahul | itunes is a penixhugger |
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| 00:34.45 | JordiGH | And AIGLX is embedded into X.org or something.. |
| 00:34.54 | amphi | heh |
| 00:34.59 | rahul | !penixstrike itunes |
| 00:34.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking itunes to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:35.00 | Rodietze | ok but as I work with OpenGL development wich one should I use? XGL or AIGLX? I mean wich one provides faster Hardware access ? |
| 00:35.19 | amphi | aiglx - xgl is a kludge IMHO |
| 00:35.19 | rahul | the stupid thing won't go back to cddb to get info once it failed in the past |
| 00:35.26 | abrotman | does it really matter .. as long as they both give you gl access ? |
| 00:35.27 | damog | Rodietze: xorg. |
| 00:35.28 | concept10 | rahul, do you use itunes on liunx? |
| 00:35.33 | rahul | oooo |
| 00:35.51 | rahul | concept10: no, heh |
| 00:35.55 | Rodietze | abrotman: I have serious 3d game development to Linux in my mind |
| 00:35.57 | rahul | concept10: that would be nasty |
| 00:36.03 | nvz | I didnt know there was an itunes for linux |
| 00:36.11 | abrotman | Rodietze: okay .. but i don't think that has much to do with xgl or aiglx |
| 00:36.11 | JordiGH | What does itunes do besides playing and sorting music? Am I missing out by using Rhythmbox? |
| 00:36.20 | nvz | but I guess there would be since OSX is practically a cousin to linux |
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| 00:36.51 | rahul | huh? |
| 00:36.56 | concept10 | rahul, not imho, last time i booted windows a couple of months ago, i noticed they had some nice content and I said to myself.. look what im missing as a debian zealot . |
| 00:36.57 | rahul | nvz: cousin in what respect? |
| 00:36.59 | amphi | nvz: it is? some sorta bsd running on mach is a pretty distant cousin IMHO |
| 00:37.00 | petemc | JordiGH: daap, but they broke that for everyone else after 6.x (and you can get it yourself through various apps) |
| 00:37.06 | Rodietze | abrotman: no? but all the user events would need to send sockets to xserver to then being drawn on screen |
| 00:37.12 | nvz | JordiGH: its got a built in music store and manages the ipod.. converting video..etc |
| 00:37.17 | rahul | concept10: itunes is total crap |
| 00:37.21 | Rodietze | abrotman: consequently slower |
| 00:37.26 | nvz | rahul: well in the sense that it uses a lot of the same shared libs |
| 00:37.27 | JordiGH | petemc: daap? |
| 00:37.31 | petemc | yz |
| 00:37.32 | rahul | nvz: it does? |
| 00:37.33 | abrotman | Rodietze: uhm .. okay |
| 00:37.38 | concept10 | rahul, im just thinking about some free podcasts on there |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | Rodietze: i have a feeling aiglx is the way forward |
| 00:37.50 | petemc | rahul: its not all bad |
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| 00:37.51 | rahul | concept10: uh. podcasts are just mp3 files in an rss feed. |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | of course .. i misspelled hexadecimal earlier .. so who knows |
| 00:38.06 | nvz | rahul: most things that will run on linux could be run on OSX with less finagling than fetting it to run on windows I figure |
| 00:38.06 | rahul | petemc: the party mix is the only decent feature |
| 00:38.07 | Rodietze | abrotman: Well if you think that I will consider your advice since I'm stuck hehe |
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| 00:38.20 | abrotman | Rodietze: you could also ask #xorg for some guidance |
| 00:38.24 | petemc | rahul: sorry, but you seem to be confusing your opinion with reality |
| 00:38.26 | concept10 | rahul, you know what I meant. I really meant mutherfos talking in digital format |
| 00:38.29 | JordiGH | I've always wondered... how does KDE access the /usb drive without mounting anything? mount doesn't show /dev/sda1 mounted while KDE is accessing it. |
| 00:38.32 | rahul | nvz: that's like saying a horse can mate with a camel more easily than it can with a badger |
| 00:38.47 | nvz | rahul: heh |
| 00:38.51 | rahul | petemc: tell me one thing it has that's any good |
| 00:39.07 | rahul | concept10: a podcast is an rss of mp3 files. period. |
| 00:39.10 | petemc | rahul: decent interface |
| 00:39.11 | nvz | rahul: obviously.. the badgers legs arent long enough and horses have a hard time trying to fuck while laying down |
| 00:39.18 | Rodietze | abrotman: but I've heard some rumors that one of those projects can replace X currently Role... so they will try to point me to the one that stills support X |
| 00:39.29 | concept10 | rahul, why must you explain that buddy? |
| 00:39.30 | rahul | petemc: huh? it doesn't support laptop trackpad scrolling |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | Rodietze: maybe ... maybe not |
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| 00:39.39 | rahul | nvz: heh |
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| 00:39.46 | JordiGH | Rodietze: I think the X.org devs are only working on AIGLX. I think Xgl is a Novell thing. |
| 00:39.57 | rahul | petemc: and it loses the selection for no reason at all |
| 00:39.59 | concept10 | You rather type an rss feed of mp3 files .. i rather type podcast |
| 00:40.25 | petemc | rahul: i dont miss that feature, i would guess nor do a large majority of its millions of other users |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | Rodietze: there is a #aiglx .. but i didn't see a #xgl |
| 00:40.25 | rahul | petemc: and it randomly starts playing for no reason at all |
| 00:40.25 | petemc | not here |
| 00:40.28 | rahul | most people don't use laptops? |
| 00:40.31 | Rodietze | abrotman: ah that is a good thing! SO AIGLX is the way! Coz I don't like to rely on something supported by a company |
| 00:40.33 | petemc | i do |
| 00:40.44 | rahul | I'd figure more people use laptops than desktops these days |
| 00:40.44 | xq | i do ;p |
| 00:40.46 | JordiGH | Is GNU a company? |
| 00:40.50 | themill | Is there a way to stop resolvconf + dhclient from using a dns server that's specified by the adsl-modem/router? |
| 00:40.57 | rahul | JordiGH: it's incorporated, yes |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | Rodietze: i wouldn't say it is 100% the way .. but from what i've read .. it seems better |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | not that better always wins |
| 00:41.05 | petemc | rahul: you would have to put forward one hell of a convincing argument to change my mind after having used it as much as i have |
| 00:41.07 | rahul | JordiGH: er, not quite |
| 00:41.15 | themill | The adsl modem offers itself as a dns server but them returns 1.0.0.0 for all requests. |
| 00:41.19 | nvz | rahul: I'm just saying it seems OSX uses the X11 protocol and standard C libraries and such as apposed to all the goofy assed API's windows software does.. seems to me there is a certain portability between linux and osx.. I've never really used OSX so I really dont know jack about it. |
| 00:41.21 | rahul | JordiGH: FSF is. GNU is a product. |
| 00:41.24 | Rodietze | GNU != Company but Novel is |
| 00:41.27 | rahul | nvz: not really |
| 00:41.29 | amphi | themill: how useful ;) |
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| 00:41.39 | concept10 | nvz, OSX doesnt use X11 |
| 00:41.52 | nvz | concept10: I thought it did *shrug* |
| 00:41.54 | rahul | petemc: I use it all the time on business trips |
| 00:41.57 | JordiGH | Rodietze: But FSF is a company. |
| 00:42.01 | themill | amphi: yeah. I've come across it a few times recently. My boss's does the same. (this one's my mum's) |
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| 00:42.36 | concept10 | nvz, btw mac os x internals is a good read :) |
| 00:42.39 | themill | amphi: probably needs to be configured on the adsl modem. But the ISP should do that across its dhcp, I would have thought. |
| 00:42.41 | JordiGH | Y'all saw that Dell is pre-installing Ubuntu, right? |
| 00:42.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: try #ubuntu |
| 00:42.48 | rahul | petemc: I'm still trying to find one interesting feature in itunes |
| 00:42.49 | frankr | if I have output from an ls -l how can I isolate only the last line |
| 00:43.07 | JordiGH | frankr: ls -l | tail |
| 00:43.07 | frankr | to pass to another program |
| 00:43.08 | amphi | frankr: tail |
| 00:43.09 | dvs | frankr: ls -l | tail -1 |
| 00:43.21 | petemc | rahul: its there with osx and it works ok, that seems to be enough |
| 00:43.21 | nvz | concept10: yeah I suppose.. I nevere really gave two shits about apple their focus always seemed to be more on form than function and my priorities are the oppisite |
| 00:43.28 | hatter | itunes... pfff |
| 00:43.37 | xq | Jordi: Aye, say that |
| 00:43.40 | hatter | i agree with rahul |
| 00:43.42 | xq | saw |
| 00:43.45 | rahul | petemc: uh, so because it's bundled, it's better |
| 00:43.56 | rahul | petemc: I guess IE is a good browser, then |
| 00:44.02 | Rodietze | who uses compiz here on Debian? |
| 00:44.19 | hatter | i had music on a network drive , if the network drive is not on when itunes starts it freezes and borks |
| 00:44.22 | JordiGH | Rodietze: I use Beryl on Debian. I used Compiz for a while, but I liked how Beryl is more featureful. |
| 00:44.23 | nick108_ | rahul: I already stopped all courier daemons with /etc/init.d/courier-* stop |
| 00:44.29 | petemc | rahul: no, im just saying its not shit, and lots of other people seem to agree with me. i take issue with your statement that it sucks |
| 00:44.36 | nick108_ | rahul: but the sleeping processes remain there |
| 00:44.37 | Rodietze | JordiGH: cool are you on Etch? |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | it sucks! |
| 00:44.41 | concept10 | nvz, I rather the os company work on form, the function is all there already |
| 00:44.42 | rahul | petemc: you take issue, but not for any reason |
| 00:45.38 | JordiGH | Rodietze: No. Lenny. |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | i don't know what 'it' is .. but it sucks |
| 00:45.38 | petemc | rahul: thats not a fair comparison, at all |
| 00:45.38 | JordiGH | Rodietze: But I know Beryl works on etch. |
| 00:45.38 | rahul | petemc: sure it is. IE is bundled, itunes is bundled. |
| 00:45.38 | nvz | beryl and compiz are merging back together and I cant wait so I dont have to keep hearing conflicting opinions |
| 00:45.38 | petemc | rahul: i disagree with you, because i dont think it sucks |
| 00:45.38 | amphi | Rodietze: beryl works fine here on etch |
| 00:45.38 | petemc | lets not draw this out |
| 00:45.38 | rahul | petemc: that's the only good thing you said about it |
| 00:45.39 | Rodietze | JordiGH: awesome! thru AIGLX? |
| 00:45.39 | Rodietze | amphi: nice, thru AIGLX or xgl? |
| 00:45.39 | petemc | rahul: it doesnt suck? sure |
| 00:45.39 | frankr | rahul, who'd you piss off now haha |
| 00:45.39 | petemc | thats enough |
| 00:45.39 | amphi | Rodietze: aiglx |
| 00:45.39 | Rodietze | nice! thanks! |
| 00:45.40 | JordiGH | Rodietze: Yes, but with the Intel drivers. I tried for a long time getting it to work with the nvidia blob, but I was never successful. |
| 00:45.42 | rahul | petemc: hey, I made a statement, you disagreed, I backed up my statement, and you blathered. shrug. |
| 00:45.56 | petemc | i disagree with that too! |
| 00:45.57 | nvz | concept10: yeah I suppose. I am not going to go out and buy their OS or their hardware though when I got other more economical options that suit me fine |
| 00:46.01 | rahul | nick108_: hrm, I don't use courier... I'd kill them, yeah |
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| 00:46.07 | amphi | Rodietze: you can't use aiglx with some proprietary drivers, like fglrx for example, thus the xgl mess |
| 00:46.50 | abrotman | i thought the newer of fglrx and nvidia worked with both ? |
| 00:46.50 | Rodietze | amphi: uhm so maybe it will not work with my nvidia? |
| 00:46.51 | nvz | concept10: I have said though that if and when I ever buy a new laptop it will likely be an apple and who knows I might keep OSX on it |
| 00:46.51 | rahul | petemc: well, you demonstrably did not say anything to support itunes as far as what itunes does |
| 00:46.55 | nvz | I am very fond of the Toshiba Libretto u100/110 though |
| 00:46.58 | concept10 | nvz, actually, I like the foundation of MacOS. Its great. but everytime I use it, I prefer gnome over it. |
| 00:47.10 | petemc | rahul: ill rephrase my earlier statement, you confuse your opinion with fact |
| 00:47.10 | amphi | Rodietze: IIRC, the reason is fglrx does not support the x composite extension; no idea about nvidia, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same ;) |
| 00:47.31 | rahul | petemc: I gave the facts that are the reason for my opinion |
| 00:47.44 | nvz | concept10: yeah I always liked gnome until they went form over function and ditched sawfish in favor of megashitty |
| 00:47.48 | rahul | petemc: you confuse my statement of fact with my statement of opinion and vice versa |
| 00:47.59 | concept10 | nvz, agreed. |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | !penixstrike rahul |
| 00:48.03 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:48.04 | xq | anyone have a favorite script/theme for irssi? heh |
| 00:48.05 | JordiGH | nvz: Isn't metacity supposed to be simple? It still looks simple to me. |
| 00:48.19 | petemc | rahul: i dont believe i can defeat your tireless vigour, so ill concede |
| 00:48.19 | rahul | JordiGH: it's simple is an offensive way |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | nvz: i still use sawfish with gnome |
| 00:48.29 | petemc | ill still use itunes tho... |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | itunes sucks! |
| 00:48.43 | rahul | petemc: I don't need to be tireless to watch you violently not support your POV :) |
| 00:48.45 | Rodietze | gee Debian is 100 times better than Ubuntu :D I just need to show ppl taht it runs 3d effects like Ubuntu |
| 00:48.53 | nvz | JordiGH: yeah the main deal is its compliant with the open desktop standards.. and themes seemlessly with the new format.. however functionality wise its a joke |
| 00:49.05 | amphi | Rodietze: why? show the swine nothing! |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | nvz: i can't use metacity because it doesn't ahve edge flipping :) |
| 00:49.14 | concept10 | nvz, do you mean this: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Next-gnome.png ? |
| 00:49.17 | petemc | rahul: i like it, lots of other people do too, thats the basis of my argument |
| 00:49.23 | JordiGH | nvz: Really? What functionality is it missing? |
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| 00:49.32 | concept10 | JordiGH, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Next-gnome.png |
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| 00:49.43 | nvz | abrotman: I was until all my gnome apps stopped working.. though I havent been using gnome per-se in ages my session just runs gnome-panel, nautilus -n, gnome-settings-daemon, and sawfish |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | concept10: you could at least attempt to disguise your retarded link |
| 00:50.27 | nvz | JordiGH: ugh.. sawfish is endlessly configurable and written in such a way and in such a language that configuration can change on the fly |
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| 00:50.32 | concept10 | abrotman, :) |
| 00:50.34 | Rodietze | amphi: heh I just want to show people that Debian is as smooth as Ubuntu, and is suitable for servers as Desktop as well |
| 00:50.59 | nvz | JordiGH: just the visable features from the sawfish-ui alone are unparalleled such as the context based bindings and matched windows |
| 00:51.19 | concept10 | Rodietze, you dont have to show no one anything. If they dont realize it, let em goto hell |
| 00:51.24 | JordiGH | nvz: By the way, you've seen how scarily possible it is to turn KDE into MacOS X, right? http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php |
| 00:51.54 | Rodietze | concept10: heh yeah that's right |
| 00:51.58 | Rodietze | ok there I go |
| 00:52.01 | nvz | JordiGH: ew I hate KDE and the MacOS X interface. thats like the XPDE project.. what the hell are these people thinking |
| 00:52.09 | Rodietze | wish me luck since I'll have to compile it :| |
| 00:52.22 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | beryl is, like, probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
| 00:52.28 | rahul | mac os x violated one.. nay many.. of their basic design principles |
| 00:52.39 | amphi | Rodietze: compile what? |
| 00:52.40 | JordiGH | nvz: Well, you said you might leave MacOS X on your next lappy, so... |
| 00:52.41 | bzed | Rodietze: no need to compile anything |
| 00:52.41 | rahul | like don't keep very destructive buttons near other functionality |
| 00:52.41 | DavidProck1981 | i have had apache2-mpm-prefork installed for a while now and been useing it just fine, But im wondering how can i tell if / when someone is connected and get traffis history, can some one help |
| 00:52.53 | bzed | Rodietze: at least not for compiz or beryl with nvidia cards |
| 00:53.04 | rahul | THE CLOSE BUTTON SHOULD NOT BE RIGHT NEXT TO MAXIMIZE, FFS |
| 00:53.05 | Rodietze | amphi: AIGLX and/or XGL Beryl and or COmpiz |
| 00:53.12 | rahul | !penixstrike apple |
| 00:53.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking apple to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:53.20 | amphi | Rodietze: aiglx is in etch's xorg |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | rahul: uhm ... lots of WMs do that |
| 00:53.24 | Rodietze | bzed: ah maybe AIGLX or XGL then |
| 00:53.29 | concept10 | rahul, thanks for your usability tip |
| 00:53.31 | rahul | abrotman: and everyone who designed them is a tool |
| 00:53.33 | Rodietze | amphi: ahhh cool! |
| 00:53.33 | bzed | DavidProck1981: look at mod-status... but the enhanced mode will slow your apache down |
| 00:53.44 | nvz | JordiGH: well I like apple laptops cause they seem to be built stronger.. my beef with laptops is all the ones I owned broke in so many ways.. the last good one I had was an old ass mac powerbook with like a 30mb hd |
| 00:53.52 | amphi | Rodietze: no idea about xgl, or whether you will need it |
| 00:53.52 | Rodietze | amphi: thank you!! |
| 00:54.03 | nvz | JordiGH: I'd probably still run debian, but I suppose if I paid for OSX I'd at least use it once in awhile |
| 00:54.06 | rahul | abrotman: there's also a reason why close and quit are bunched up in one corner of the keyboard |
| 00:54.09 | DavidProck1981 | what is mod-status |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | rahul: yeah .. that i don't get :) |
| 00:54.23 | bzed | DavidProck1981: an apache module |
| 00:54.25 | Rodietze | if AIGLX doen't work with my nvidia I'll try XGL as last choice |
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| 00:54.34 | bzed | Rodietze: no chance ;) |
| 00:54.41 | JordiGH | nvz: I'm at a loss to give any arguments to my girlfriend as to why she shouldn't use MacOS X besides a wimply "well... it's not... free..." |
| 00:54.46 | Sweetandy | Does anybody nkow when 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 came out? |
| 00:54.49 | Rodietze | bzed: no chance? |
| 00:54.50 | JordiGH | wimpy |
| 00:55.02 | bzed | Rodietze: one is for ATI cards, the other one for nvidia |
| 00:55.15 | JordiGH | Sweetandy: Since February, according to a Wired article. It's making news right now because they're trying to censor it. |
| 00:55.30 | Rodietze | bzed: oh noes ;\ wich one is for nvidia? |
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| 00:55.33 | bzed | Rodietze: use the nvidia modules from unstable and add >>>Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"<<< to your screen section of the xorg.conf |
| 00:55.33 | Sweetandy | I should print up business cards. |
| 00:55.58 | nvz | Sweetandy: i'm sorry part of your question seems to have been encoded in hex.. heh |
| 00:56.00 | DavidProck1981 | am i supposed to run mod-status in a shell, I dont know any thing about module's |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | ravenbird: wb |
| 00:56.03 | ravenbird | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 00:56.08 | Sweetandy | nvz: heh |
| 00:56.16 | bzed | Rodietze: and you need to enable the composite extensio |
| 00:56.20 | concept10 | nvz, the one thing I dont get is why no one makes something for dpkg like apples installer. Drop a package in a folder and bam! installed. |
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| 00:56.59 | xq | http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2007/02/the_new_hddvdbl.html |
| 00:57.07 | bzed | concept10: to stop people from isntalling ton's of shit accidentally? |
| 00:57.14 | nvz | Sweetandy: is that like a lottery number for geeks or something? |
| 00:57.23 | xq | nvz: see article hehe |
| 00:57.23 | concept10 | bzed, it doesnt happen on apple |
| 00:57.35 | Sweetandy | nvz: You could say that. It's the HD-DVD encryption key. |
| 00:57.36 | concept10 | bzed, unless youre a dumbass |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | concept10: uhm .. because that's how your windows box gets FUBAR |
| 00:57.46 | JordiGH | concept10: Ubuntu has made nice installers, I hear. |
| 00:57.47 | xq | severeal years, millions of dollars -- that's the key lol |
| 00:57.49 | nvz | Sweetandy: ah.. heh |
| 00:57.50 | xq | was funny |
| 00:57.55 | Rodietze | bzed: ok I'll do that, but if I need to edit xorg.conf I need or xgl or aiglx right? and as you said before one is ffor nvida other for ATI which one is for nvidia? "my case" |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | ask #nvidia |
| 00:58.30 | concept10 | abrotman, not really. It could work the same.. they still have to enter sudo password |
| 00:58.30 | bzed | Rodietze: no clue, but it doesn't matter |
| 00:58.39 | DavidProck1981 | what is the difference from beryl & Compiz, And which is better for Debian Etch |
| 00:58.46 | abrotman | concept10: you don't have to enter a password on OSX |
| 00:58.49 | xq | uhm hehe |
| 00:58.51 | Rodietze | ok |
| 00:58.55 | bzed | DavidProck1981: there is no difference as they're merging again |
| 00:58.58 | concept10 | abrotman, yes you do |
| 00:58.59 | Rodietze | bzed: thank you |
| 00:59.01 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Soon there won't be a difference. Beryl is more featureful than Compiz. |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | concept10: i don't recall ever entering a password |
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| 00:59.23 | concept10 | abrotman, I dont think they had that on Apple II |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | concept10: no .. i'm serious .. |
| 00:59.41 | abrotman | don't make me get the stupid mac out |
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| 00:59.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: Doesn't MacOS X still keep all installed programs in a safe location or something? I really do wonder what their security model is and why it's not full of viruses. |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | NFC .. |
| 01:00.07 | concept10 | abrotman, look at the first screencast here if inclined: http://www.adiumx.com/screencasts/ |
| 01:00.10 | DavidProck1981 | could / would a GeForce 7600 GS work great for Beryl |
| 01:00.23 | abrotman | concept10: no thanks .. i'm not looking at a client that quacks :) |
| 01:00.26 | bzed | DavidProck1981: yes works |
| 01:00.28 | concept10 | abrotman, it shows it |
| 01:00.34 | abrotman | it'll quack at me! |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | the most annoying IM client ever |
| 01:00.42 | cafuego | you work for ducks? |
| 01:00.44 | DavidProck1981 | how does one go about installing Beryl |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | worse than MSN that autostarts |
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| 01:01.24 | guille1983 | hi |
| 01:01.25 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude install Beryl ??? |
| 01:01.29 | thingfish | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 01:01.39 | concept10 | I saw that screencast and I thought.. man, those guys no how to make some easy to use stuff... its ridiculous |
| 01:01.45 | guille1983 | i try fsck and get this fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve 'UUID=A840-5780' |
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| 01:03.13 | Manes | how could i receive my mail in /home/login/Maildir/ (or mbox/) instead of /home/vpopmail/domains/mydomain/login/Maildir/ ? |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | Manes: your SMTP server ? |
| 01:03.38 | kenji | has some one a Moto Rokr E2 celphone? |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | kenji: #debian ? |
| 01:03.52 | Manes | i use qmail + vpopmail |
| 01:03.59 | kenji | yes |
| 01:04.07 | kenji | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.51 | kenji | If I wanna know if moto rokr e2 its compatible with debian whats your problem abrotman? |
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| 01:05.38 | kenji | has some one a Moto Rokr E2 celphone? |
| 01:05.57 | abrotman | kenji: okay .. you could have started like that |
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| 01:06.07 | abrotman | kenji: though google is probably a far better place to start |
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| 01:06.25 | Manes | i mean normally with sendmail mails go into /etc/spool/mail/login but since i use qmail/vpopmail mails are /home/vpopmail/domains/login/Maildir |
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| 01:07.20 | kenji | I will start how I want |
| 01:07.58 | concept10 | kenji, dont come in here with that |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | okay .. have fun |
| 01:07.58 | kenji | because I think that the bether way for talk about a phone compatibility its asking if some one have one or know some one ho have one |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | do you have one? |
| 01:08.25 | kenji | how ask to you concept10? if you don't have a mto rokr e2 Im not care |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | this should end well |
| 01:08.49 | concept10 | kenji, I have the e3 |
| 01:08.54 | rahul | kenji: you are a tool. |
| 01:09.12 | rahul | concept10: but then your answer to him is "no" :) |
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| 01:09.21 | smallfoot- | wireless internet doesnt work, I am using 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 as WPA key, and got a D-Link 802.11n card on 2.4.21, what is wrong? |
| 01:09.38 | abrotman | what is this stupid key? |
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| 01:09.49 | concept10 | abrotman, WPA |
| 01:09.52 | kenji | and you are a tree xD |
| 01:09.54 | smallfoot- | That would be my WPA encryption key for the wlan card, sir. |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | everyone has the same one ? |
| 01:10.09 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | <Sweetandy> Does anybody nkow when 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 came out? |
| 01:10.20 | smallfoot- | he has it too? |
| 01:10.22 | smallfoot- | oh, thats why it dont work |
| 01:10.27 | smallfoot- | its a conflict, by ppl who use same |
| 01:10.27 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:10.34 | rahul | heh |
| 01:10.34 | Sweetandy | sorry about the spelling |
| 01:10.36 | xq | february |
| 01:10.39 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 01:10.57 | rahul | y'all are strange. |
| 01:10.59 | smallfoot- | Sweetandy, change key, dont use same as me, my D-Link 802.11n dont work, because you use same WPA key as me |
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| 01:11.05 | concept10 | What app are they using? wpasupplicant? |
| 01:11.12 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 01:11.16 | epotash | hi, i have added the user option to fstab for my usb hard drive, and now i can mount it as non-root, but for some reason it wont let me unmount unless im root |
| 01:11.19 | epotash | anyone know why? |
| 01:11.44 | Sweetandy | smallfoot - WPA key? Um, what? I'm talking HD-DVD here. |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | concept10: it's not a WPA key |
| 01:11.51 | epotash | mtab says: /dev/disk/by-label/WD_Passport on /media/passport type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 01:12.30 | concept10 | someone just posted this in ubuntu: kwtm> Wow, just finished reading the Slashdot story about 09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63. What a party! |
| 01:12.39 | epotash | lol |
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| 01:12.49 | xq | ... |
| 01:12.51 | amphi | dear ghod |
| 01:12.51 | concept10 | what is going on here |
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| 01:14.00 | Enverex | abrotman, Someone has a router with a big hole in it... |
| 01:14.06 | concept10 | http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/05/01/2135212.shtml |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | Enverex: ? |
| 01:14.23 | beardy | Thank you, K-liner. |
| 01:15.06 | Enverex | abrotman, You dropped because someone sent a malformed DCC which dropped you |
| 01:15.14 | Enverex | abrotman, What router are you using? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | Enverex: oh .. me ? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | Enverex: i don't think so .. let me check |
| 01:15.23 | beardy | abrotman: Looks like it. |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | Enverex: i tested that before |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | Enverex: i'm still lagging massively |
| 01:15.37 | Enverex | abrotman, Yes, you, you and 10 other people that all dropped with the same reason |
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| 01:15.41 | concept10 | im glad I have a router thats old and no one cares about |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | htf do you trigger it ? |
| 01:16.17 | amphi | I lagged briefly *shrug* |
| 01:16.23 | concept10 | * Received a malformed DCC request from Wikipedos. |
| 01:16.23 | concept10 | * Contents of packet: DCC SEND OMGWTFBBQOMGWTFBBQOMGWTFBBQOMGWTFBBQOMGWTFBBQ |
| 01:16.23 | smallfoot- | Enverex, send me that malformed DCC so i can send it to others |
| 01:16.31 | smallfoot- | lol |
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| 01:16.35 | smallfoot- | thats it? |
| 01:16.39 | concept10 | yep |
| 01:16.47 | Enverex | abrotman, http://pastebin.myrror.net/333 |
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| 01:17.29 | abrotman | Enverex: i can't trigger myself |
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| 01:18.17 | abrotman | Enverex: i've tried repeatedly |
| 01:18.17 | Enverex | abrotman, Yeah, I'm not sure how it works, sending that alone doesn't do anything |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | it should |
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| 01:18.31 | DavidProck1981 | question about this do i put Enable at the end of it ............ |
| 01:18.31 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.25 | smallfoot- | that DCC thing? does it only work on some clients? some routers? some OS? |
| 01:19.29 | smallfoot- | what does it work with? |
| 01:19.31 | DavidProck1981 | and im not wuite sure what it means by window decorations |
| 01:19.35 | concept10 | DavidProck1981, if you open the file you will figure it out |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | smallfoot-: certain routers |
| 01:19.45 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 01:19.53 | smallfoot- | its no way to send that to all ppl in a chan? |
| 01:19.53 | smallfoot- | lol |
| 01:20.00 | DavidProck1981 | bbl |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | Enverex: i just had beardy try in another channel .. nada |
| 01:20.08 | concept10 | DavidProck1981, window decorations like close, etc |
| 01:20.19 | Enverex | smallfoot-, It's a vulnerabiliy in certain routers |
| 01:20.22 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 01:20.25 | Enverex | abrotman, What router are you using? |
| 01:20.27 | smallfoot- | what a stupid vulnability |
| 01:20.31 | abrotman | a crap linksys one |
| 01:20.45 | smallfoot- | if it ends with ZOMG isntead of BBQ, it dont work? |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | smallfoot-: ask google |
| 01:20.58 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 01:21.04 | rahul | what if we end you with LAWL |
| 01:21.17 | smallfoot- | ya |
| 01:21.54 | kenji | has some one a Moto Rokr E2 celphone? |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 01:22.13 | Enverex | hmm, my net goes from a Thomson Router/Switch through a Shock Switch through a Linksys WiFi/Switch then to my PC. But I have a custom 3rd party firmware on my Linksys... |
| 01:22.30 | rahul | !penixstrike kenji |
| 01:22.30 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kenji to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | do it again! |
| 01:22.45 | frankr | roflcopter |
| 01:23.10 | rahul | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 01:23.10 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 01:23.13 | rahul | ;) |
| 01:23.22 | xuser | Any reason why all fluxbox themes look big in debian 4.0? |
| 01:23.24 | rahul | (oops, I missed) |
| 01:23.34 | rahul | xuser: because of your display's dpi setting? |
| 01:23.53 | rahul | xuser: or because if its resolution and the fact that fluxbox doesn't care what dpi it's at? |
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| 01:24.36 | xuser | rahul: maybe that cause gnome looks awesome. |
| 01:24.59 | rahul | xuser: you make me sick |
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| 01:25.13 | xuser | :P |
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| 01:25.33 | xuser | rahul: What should i change to make fluxbox look nice? |
| 01:25.39 | xuser | rahul: what do you use? |
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| 01:26.24 | rahul | xuser: sawfish |
| 01:26.38 | rahul | I change everything to make it work nicely |
| 01:26.49 | rahul | I have 3d navigation :) |
| 01:27.03 | rahul | keyboard navigation, to be exact |
| 01:27.07 | concept10 | what is that code for? have I missed something? |
| 01:27.21 | rahul | concept10: it's the crpyto key for hd-dvd |
| 01:27.46 | stoned | ding! |
| 01:27.50 | concept10 | rahul, but, does it run on, linux? |
| 01:28.23 | concept10 | seriously, I didnt know.. I must have missed the news |
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| 01:29.03 | xq | fspanel is nice with sawfish |
| 01:29.19 | concept10 | rahul, I dont see what the big deal is |
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| 01:30.38 | rahul | concept10: it's a peripherial, not software |
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| 01:30.40 | rahul | concept10: it's like decss |
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| 01:35.49 | obtix | dumb question.... what is the command to show my startup prcoess once im logged in? i know its something short and simple and i feel dumb for forgetting |
| 01:36.08 | rahul | what's a startup process? |
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| 01:36.37 | obtix | rahul: the command that shows all the lines of text that go to fast to read |
| 01:36.45 | cafuego | rahul: It's when your mom and dad love eachother very much, and there are flower and bees... |
| 01:36.57 | cafuego | obtix: `dmesg' is what you're after. |
| 01:37.11 | obtix | cafuego: awesome, thank you! |
| 01:37.19 | cafuego | obtix: aka the boot messages or boot log; not 'startup process' :-) |
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| 01:37.43 | obtix | cafuego thx |
| 01:38.14 | pablo_ | hi, does anyone knows any ati/nvidia card that works fine with an open driver? |
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| 01:38.34 | amphi | pablo_: man radeon |
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| 01:38.53 | cafuego | pablo_: Most nvidia cards do, just not in 3D mode. |
| 01:39.16 | cafuego | pablo_: All radeons up to the 9600 I think are now supported by open drivers. |
| 01:39.39 | pablo_ | anyone in 3d mode? |
| 01:39.40 | Elive_user24 | really_ |
| 01:39.41 | Elive_user24 | ? |
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| 01:40.14 | Miles_Prower | brb |
| 01:40.14 | pablo_ | cafuego: does anyone supports 3d with open source driver? |
| 01:40.25 | DavidProck1981 | when installing beryl would it matter if u select the emerald & aquamarine packages when KDE is in use mostly , like 99.9 % of the time on KDE |
| 01:40.48 | amphi | pablo_: intel, and older radeons |
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| 01:41.24 | amphi | DavidProck1981: if you want window decorations (borders, title bars) |
| 01:41.29 | pablo_ | amphi: ok, but intel only sells integrated ones |
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| 01:41.39 | amphi | pablo_: I believe so |
| 01:41.41 | phogg | pablo_: project to create 3d drivers for nvidia: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/RequiredFunctionality |
| 01:41.47 | DavidProck1981 | so i can select both |
| 01:41.50 | pablo_ | amphi: older radeons, like which? |
| 01:42.24 | cafuego | pablo_: All radeons up to the 9600 I think are now supported by open drivers. |
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| 01:42.31 | amphi | pablo_: like I said, man radeon |
| 01:42.39 | cafuego | I may be wrong and that may actually be 9800 now |
| 01:42.39 | concept10 | yep |
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| 01:43.04 | morvok | hey, does anyone know how to change the resolution for the console? |
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| 01:43.22 | beardy | nn-laptop: #knoppix |
| 01:43.47 | beardy | morvok: If you use the framebuffer, yes. |
| 01:43.52 | beardy | !fb |
| 01:43.52 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 01:44.18 | DavidProck1981 | off topic for a second, what is knoppix based on, what distro , is it debian? |
| 01:44.22 | morvok | beardy: the framebuffer will be fine. |
| 01:44.51 | nn-laptop | i need some help my debian server has my sql running but it seems like a locked door all mysql* programs wont allow me to access it what do i do????????? |
| 01:44.55 | pablo_ | so ati cards work better than nvidean ones |
| 01:45.16 | beardy | Excessive punctuation will fix it. |
| 01:45.16 | nn-laptop | to fix this |
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| 01:46.02 | beardy | morvok: Read the vesafb.txt in linuxsrcsomewhere/Documentation/vesafb.txt |
| 01:46.29 | beardy | morvok: There you have a table with resolutions and colormodes. |
| 01:47.13 | beardy | morvok: IIRC, 312 is 640x480, 16-bit (or 32..) and 318 is 1024x768 |
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| 01:47.43 | amphi | yeah, 0x318 is 1024x768x24bpp |
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| 01:48.20 | morvok | I like 640x480 :) thanks guys. going through docs for Silo to make an adjustment |
| 01:48.34 | beardy | morvok: No, 16 million colors. http://www.mat.univie.ac.at/~gerald/laptop/vesafb.txt search for 0x312 |
| 01:48.55 | beardy | morvok: Good luck. And you're very welcome. |
| 01:49.21 | beardy | Not bad, not having used it for a couple of years. |
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| 01:49.29 | litage | when i run ``cowbuilder --build foobar.dsc'', where will the .deb files it creates be located? |
| 01:49.33 | beardy | To remember it I mean. |
| 01:50.10 | beardy | litage: In the directory of foobar.dsc is a logical guess. |
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| 01:50.31 | damog | debian rocks. |
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| 01:50.51 | beardy | litage: Or maybe in the parent dir as make-kpkg. Why not try and findout and tell us? |
| 01:51.27 | beardy | damog: All you have to say for yourself? |
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| 01:53.30 | litage | beardy: i have tried, but i can't find a single .deb |
| 01:53.44 | damog | beardy: Yes. |
| 01:54.04 | beardy | litage: Then there isn't one, or you aren't looking good enough. |
| 01:54.07 | litage | beardy: cowbuilder finished successfully, so it should've generated something.. |
| 01:54.23 | beardy | litage: Yes. |
| 01:54.49 | beardy | litage: updatedb ; locate *.deb | less |
| 01:56.59 | litage | beardy: i'm compiling a Sarge-backport of php5 so that i can get the php5-mysqli extension for Sarge. when i run ``cowbuilder --build /usr/src/php5-b/php5_5.2.0-8+etch3~bpo.1.dsc'' it seems to compile *everything* to do with php5, including libapache-mod-php5. how can i only build php5-mysqli ? |
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| 01:58.24 | beardy | litage: Change the dsc file, remove everything except the thing that builds what you want, I'd guess. |
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| 01:59.51 | litage | beardy: i'm quite new to building source packages, so am unsure what to modify in the .dsc ....do are the package names listed on the "Binary:" line what packages should be built? |
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| 02:00.35 | udos | unstable suspend to ram doesn't restore video properly. Stable is OK. using i810 driver |
| 02:00.40 | beardy | litage: I have never built anything that way myself either, so I don't know, or have the urge to check. But that sounds like it may be yes. |
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| 02:01.01 | beardy | litage: What does the line say then? |
| 02:01.26 | hatter | cafuego: you there stil ? |
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| 02:02.17 | litage | beardy: i added "php5-mysqli" to the "Binary:" line: http://rafb.net/p/VdhgWu16.html |
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| 02:03.13 | beardy | litage: Are you sure you can build that from that source? Well, to try that then, remove everything else except what you added? |
| 02:03.14 | linux2 | can someone help me. I am trying to install linux off of floppies but it keeps stopping at Loading initrd.gz . . . . |
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| 02:03.18 | linux2 | and it won't go any farther |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | new floppies |
| 02:03.25 | linux2 | i have tried different floppy images but no luck |
| 02:03.26 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 02:03.33 | linux2 | yeah and different floppies as well |
| 02:03.35 | linux2 | still nothing |
| 02:03.37 | beardy | linux2: Tried fresh floppies? |
| 02:03.44 | linux2 | beardy: yep |
| 02:03.46 | beardy | linux2: Which GNU/Linux dist? |
| 02:03.54 | beardy | !floppyimg |
| 02:03.57 | beardy | !floppyimage |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | !bf |
| 02:03.58 | dpkg | somebody said etch floppies was http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 02:03.59 | linux2 | debian lenny |
| 02:04.24 | litage | beardy: okay, cowbuilder just exited successfully. i ran ``cowbuilder --build'' from ~, but there aren't any .deb files in there, nor in the .dsc's dir... |
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| 02:04.42 | litage | beardy: grepping through ``locate *.deb'' now.. |
| 02:04.43 | beardy | litage: Actually read the docs? |
| 02:04.58 | litage | beardy: which docs are you referring to? |
| 02:05.02 | beardy | !literal bf |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | "bf" is "<reply> see etch floppies" |
| 02:05.06 | beardy | litage: The proper ones |
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| 02:06.06 | litage | beardy: oh hey, i just checked ~/.pbuilderrc and found "BUILDRESULT=/var/cache/pbuilder/result/" . the .debs are in there, however, php5-mysqli is missing =X |
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| 02:06.41 | beardy | litage: And why didn't you see them when 'locate'ing? |
| 02:07.07 | linux2 | beardy: ok well im trying it now... again. i will tell you if it works |
| 02:07.12 | litage | beardy: updatedb wasn't finished by the time i checked ~/.pbuilderrc |
| 02:07.39 | smallfoot- | I am using the 2.6.21-git4 kernel, and I think that I have found a bug in /dev/random. Whenever I do "cat /dev/random", it |
| 02:07.39 | smallfoot- | spits out "09F911029D74E35BD84156C5635688C0" |
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| 02:07.46 | smallfoot- | anyone can confirm? |
| 02:07.58 | beardy | linux2: What machine is that, that you have to use floppies to install on? |
| 02:08.06 | beardy | linux2: Processor and amount of RAM? |
| 02:08.22 | hackmiker | smallfoot-, negatory, mine spits out garbage |
| 02:08.29 | linux2 | beardy: its a pentium 233mhz MMX with 64mb ram |
| 02:08.43 | hatter | My desktop PC has 3 video cards, on of which is the AGP with xinerama for spanning, can anyone remember the highest spec pci video card before we got agp ? |
| 02:08.50 | hackmiker | smallfoot-, 2.6.20.1 |
| 02:08.52 | beardy | linux2: Should work fine, but, why not throw in a cd-reader then? |
| 02:09.22 | cafuego | smallfoot-: TAKEDOWN! TAKEDOWN! |
| 02:09.41 | linux2 | beardy: need the docking station which i don't have |
| 02:10.27 | beardy | linux2: Ok. Well, good luck with the floppies. |
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| 02:10.29 | beardy | linux2: Test the stable ones too. |
| 02:10.35 | Van-Busy | guys how can i go from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 sata disk? |
| 02:10.42 | beardy | linux2: You can upgrade later if you want to live dangerously. |
| 02:11.25 | Van-Busy | is there a way to get 2.6 support sata disk? i need uppgrade my 2.4 kernel |
| 02:11.28 | hatter | van-busy: what version debian are you running ? |
| 02:11.33 | Van-Busy | sarge |
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| 02:11.43 | beardy | !sarge->etch |
| 02:11.43 | dpkg | sarge->etch is, like, read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 02:11.51 | dondelelcaro | Van-Busy: sarge supports the older SATA fine, but etch definetly does |
| 02:12.02 | hatter | the newest sarge kernel has sata drivers, but you are better off upgrading to etch |
| 02:12.14 | Van-Busy | how can i upgrade to etch»? |
| 02:12.22 | Van-Busy | i use putty ssh |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | the 2.6 will rename the devices |
| 02:12.28 | Van-Busy | only able to use trought remotre |
| 02:12.28 | Ronin | Van-Busy: scroll up |
| 02:12.30 | beardy | Do you read? |
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| 02:14.20 | dondelelcaro | beardy: no. What were you saying? |
| 02:14.58 | beardy | dondelelcaro: I had dpkg tell him how to upgrade. So, I said nothing to you. |
| 02:15.23 | dondelelcaro | beardy: but I can't read, so I've no idea what you're saying. ;-) |
| 02:15.26 | litage | beardy: is it safe/okay to remove from /usr/src/php5-..../debian/control each package's block that i don't want to be built? |
| 02:15.50 | beardy | dondelelcaro: That's true. *signals it with flags* |
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| 02:16.05 | dondelelcaro | litage: better just to build them all |
| 02:16.10 | beardy | dondelelcaro: ;) |
| 02:16.16 | dondelelcaro | well, easier, rather. |
| 02:16.20 | litage | dondelelcaro: k |
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| 02:22.54 | timewriter | hello |
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| 02:24.12 | abrotman | timewriter: got a spare second? |
| 02:24.22 | timewriter | anytome abrotman |
| 02:24.27 | timewriter | anytime i mean |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | sorry .. i couldn't resist |
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| 02:24.37 | timewriter | L) |
| 02:24.38 | timewriter | :) |
| 02:25.07 | timewriter | do you want to ask me a question ? |
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| 02:26.10 | abrotman | timewriter: it was supposed to be a joke |
| 02:26.17 | timewriter | :) |
| 02:26.17 | OrangeRoot1k | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.25 | timewriter | my english is bad abrotman |
| 02:26.26 | cafuego | I won't!@ |
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| 02:27.22 | timewriter | ive lost a miniclip with a guy in a snail`s costume |
| 02:27.26 | timewriter | crossing a street |
| 02:27.29 | timewriter | haha |
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| 02:27.38 | abrotman | miniclip ? |
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| 02:28.05 | timewriter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijbIz02OLnw |
| 02:28.07 | timewriter | got it |
| 02:28.22 | hatter | miniclippy: about to make an appearance in vista |
| 02:28.44 | timewriter | miniclip - mini videoclip |
| 02:28.47 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 02:28.47 | dpkg | monkeys is probably the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 02:30.11 | JUio | Hi |
| 02:30.13 | JUio | libXft.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:30.18 | JUio | where is this lib on debian sid? |
| 02:30.31 | ctp_ | hi folks. how to reinstall an existing package? |
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| 02:30.59 | JUio | ctp_: apt-get reinstall package |
| 02:31.01 | karsten | !tell JUio about search |
| 02:31.15 | ctp_ | JUio: thx |
| 02:31.25 | JUio | karsten: but, there is no libxft1 |
| 02:31.29 | JUio | only 2 |
| 02:31.44 | karsten | JUio: What's causing that failure? |
| 02:32.01 | timewriter | sid is etch ? |
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| 02:32.16 | JUio | karsten: |
| 02:32.18 | JUio | /opt/intel/idb/9.1.047/bin/iidb: error while loading shared libraries: libXft.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:32.32 | JUio | Because I don't have libXft.so.1 |
| 02:32.52 | user890 | how to modify the $PATH variable. I need to add /usr/local/mysql/bin to $PATH variable |
| 02:33.10 | karsten | JUio: Third-party SW. |
| 02:33.19 | JUio | export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/local/mysql/bin |
| 02:33.26 | karsten | user890: Define it in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 02:33.40 | JUio | karsten: where is that soft? |
| 02:33.55 | user890 | thanx |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | or /etc/profile if you want to do it systemwide |
| 02:34.03 | karsten | JUio: I'm saying you're dealing with third-party SW. Refer to the source for where you're supposed to get the lib. |
| 02:34.16 | JUio | ups :) |
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| 02:34.55 | morvok__ | is silo not able to pass vga options to the kernel? |
| 02:35.12 | timewriter | silo ? |
| 02:35.15 | JUio | karsten: this trick is bad? ln -s /usr/lib/libXft.so /usr/lib/libXft.so.1 ? |
| 02:35.27 | JUio | but, Xft is 2 ... |
| 02:35.59 | morvok__ | silo = Sun bootloader |
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| 02:38.10 | JUio | karsten: well it works, but I am not sure if it is the correct way ... |
| 02:38.12 | JUio | :( |
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| 02:39.32 | Vasistha | .nsg dpkg |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | /msg maybe ? |
| 02:40.11 | JUio | abrotman: for you this trip, is correct? |
| 02:40.18 | JUio | ln -s /usr/lib/libXft.so /usr/lib/libXft.so.1 ? |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | man ln |
| 02:40.34 | JUio | because, there is no xft1 on debian sid |
| 02:40.34 | linux2 | nothing works |
| 02:40.40 | linux2 | none of the floppy disk images work |
| 02:40.41 | JUio | abrotman: why man? |
| 02:40.43 | linux2 | wtf |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | really ? |
| 02:40.49 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 02:40.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | !find libXft.so sid |
| 02:41.03 | JUio | abrotman: yes, there is no 1 version :( |
| 02:41.06 | linux2 | this is retarted. they all stop at the exact same point with the loading initrd.gz .... |
| 02:41.06 | JUio | only 2 |
| 02:41.08 | linux2 | exactly there |
| 02:41.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXft.so' (3): (/usr/lib/libXft.so) in libdevel/libxft-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libXft.so.2|libXft.so.2.1.2}) in libs/libxft2 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libXft.so.2.1.2) in libdevel/libxft2-dbg. |
| 02:41.10 | linux2 | every time |
| 02:41.22 | linux2 | and i have tried old images new ones and they all don't work |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | JUio: oh .. you don't want to know how to make the ln .. you want ot know if it will work ? |
| 02:41.36 | JUio | yes |
| 02:41.45 | JUio | if it is a good 'trick' |
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| 02:41.48 | abrotman | JUio: depends on the app .. but it can work |
| 02:41.52 | JUio | it works the program, but .. |
| 02:41.58 | Vasistha | JUio: you could always make a hard link :P |
| 02:42.10 | JUio | hard link is better? |
| 02:42.17 | Vasistha | that will have undesireable effects if you upgrade, though |
| 02:42.17 | JUio | uhmm, interesting |
| 02:42.25 | JUio | thank you! |
| 02:42.44 | pppoe_dude | hi |
| 02:42.54 | pppoe_dude | anyone experiencing a memory leak in gnome-panel on etch? |
| 02:43.02 | pppoe_dude | like... crazy ram usage |
| 02:43.15 | pppoe_dude | >400mb |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: could be an applet |
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| 02:43.41 | Vasistha | well, heavy ram usage doesn't necessarily imply a memory leak ... did it slowly creep up to that value? |
| 02:43.41 | holycow | d |
| 02:43.51 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, i only have system monitor, workspace switcher and notification area |
| 02:43.55 | pppoe_dude | Vasistha, ya |
| 02:43.55 | nn-laptop | can some one test my file bin |
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| 02:44.07 | nn-laptop | filebin.info |
| 02:44.12 | nn-laptop | filebin link |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: i'm on etch .. and have way more than that .. and mine isn't nearly that much RAM usage |
| 02:44.33 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, it slowly creeps up, like, been on for 3 days or so now |
| 02:44.38 | pppoe_dude | was 300mb yesterday, 400mb now |
| 02:44.42 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: mine is using 15MB |
| 02:44.45 | holycow | does anyone know how i can talk to an irc op to regain control of my nick? |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: but i have no system monitor |
| 02:45.00 | pppoe_dude | lemme try and turn off all applets |
| 02:45.02 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: heh, if you have to say "filebin link" then maybe you should give it a description on the page |
| 02:45.08 | pppoe_dude | sequentially |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: you might have to restart the panel |
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| 02:45.29 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, ya hwne i do it goes back to normal, but creeps up slowly agaiun |
| 02:45.35 | pppoe_dude | so there _is_ a bug somewhere |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: when you do what? |
| 02:45.52 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, kill it |
| 02:45.53 | linux2 | ok i got it |
| 02:45.56 | linux2 | just so everyone knows |
| 02:46.01 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: so try unloading some applets |
| 02:46.04 | linux2 | floppy images from etch and greater don't work |
| 02:46.09 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, ya doing that now |
| 02:46.17 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: what is the point of this php navigator page? it looks like I could upload 4 files, but I don't know what's going to be done with those files, and I don't know what all this other info is for. |
| 02:46.25 | smallfoot- | http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/3686/psakittymk8.jpg |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | smallfoot-: STOP |
| 02:46.58 | pppoe_dude | nope doesn't seem to be doin anything... if i restart it i wont find out the problem |
| 02:47.09 | pppoe_dude | any ideas on how i would go about knowing what is actually using that ram? |
| 02:47.24 | nn-laptop | ok direct link http://filebin.info/user/filebin/ ;; Vatistha, a file bin is suposed to be like a past bin except for files |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: remove one of the applets .. and restart it .. see if it happens again |
| 02:47.43 | smallfoot- | abrotman sry mens |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | smallfoot-: just stop doing it .. no one cares about that crap |
| 02:47.56 | pppoe_dude | abrotman, lol that would take ages... i guess i'll keep a low threshold... like if it goes up to 30mb then that didn't solve the prob |
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| 02:48.04 | nn-laptop | for instance say you have an error all you have to do is comand > log.txt than up load the log |
| 02:48.12 | nn-laptop | then give them the link |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: i have tons of them going .. no issues .. but it doesn't run for dayts |
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| 02:48.41 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: okay, once again -- if you have to tell me in-channel, then the instructions should appear on the page ;) -- and my nick is Vasistha, not Vatistha. try typing vas<TAB> |
| 02:48.52 | pppoe_dude | hmmm |
| 02:49.00 | pppoe_dude | killing system monitor reduced usage by 7% |
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| 02:49.08 | pppoe_dude | s/killing/removing |
| 02:49.12 | pppoe_dude | but that might be normal |
| 02:49.30 | nn-laptop | ok Vasistha can you up load a file just so i know it works |
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| 02:49.55 | gameman73 | um, local? |
| 02:51.01 | pppoe_dude | k ill fiddle with it i guess |
| 02:51.07 | gameman73 | anyway, when you run the free command, the value it says under free memory, is that free memory after what it uses for buffering or before? |
| 02:51.18 | lapland | 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 Now, for Freedom. |
| 02:51.35 | PingFloyd | gameman73: appearantly he keeps an archive |
| 02:51.40 | pppoe_dude | what's that key for? |
| 02:51.43 | pppoe_dude | some drm thing? |
| 02:51.48 | lapland | google it |
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| 02:51.53 | gameman73 | PingFloyd: thats a bit disturbing... |
| 02:52.01 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: I uploaded something ... I'd say the current behavior is not desireable |
| 02:52.50 | pppoe_dude | a song i see |
| 02:53.09 | lapland | no no not a song :) |
| 02:53.21 | lapland | it's your freedom |
| 02:53.23 | lapland | :D |
| 02:53.26 | pppoe_dude | hd-dvd? |
| 02:53.28 | gameman73 | so... free command? |
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| 02:53.36 | pppoe_dude | i've never used that technology |
| 02:53.36 | Vasistha | gameman73: sadly, I don't have disk space for such things. Or perhaps, happily. But I mean, *someone*'s got to keep a copy of it, right? |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | !free |
| 02:53.43 | dpkg | [free] defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
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| 02:54.07 | gameman73 | Vasistha: uhhhhhh sure i suppose, i think i would rather not meet those people ;) |
| 02:55.13 | gameman73 | ah ha..... thanks abrotman |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | i know of someone in this channel that has a local copy |
| 02:55.33 | gameman73 | so the real "free" memory is the line with -/+ buffers/cache got it, thanks :) |
| 02:55.39 | Dewi | I'm pretty sure goatse is on most computers somewhere - in a cache, or the unused sectors left over after clearing a cache |
| 02:56.11 | Dewi | it's just that most of us don't have a shortcut to it on our desktops |
| 02:56.11 | nn-laptop | did as you sujested Vasistha and added the link to the front page |
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| 02:57.33 | Vasistha | Dewi: I didn't know what goatse was until a little under a year ago, at which point I saw it ... once was enough ... given the small size of my hard drive, and the fact that it has wavered between 80 and 95% full ... I kinda doubt a deleted cached copy could even be restored by experts... |
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| 02:57.52 | nn-laptop | Vasistha, This file bin is for the linux community so use it. The filebin is 36G est 35G free now |
| 02:58.13 | Dewi | Vasistha: that's okay - I'm sure somebody else has one they could send you |
| 02:58.42 | nn-laptop | Linux comunity use filebin.info for a open free open File bin |
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| 02:59.19 | Vasistha | I read somewhere about a prank someone pulled at a linux conference of some sort, involving a wireless device that interfered with the network in such a way that web queries were randomly, occasionally, and transparently thrown out and replaced with goatse... wish I could find that article |
| 02:59.51 | nn-laptop | join #gentoo,#ubuntu |
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| 03:00.31 | nn-laptop | Vasistha, If you do ;; Post it; i want to see it |
| 03:00.48 | Vasistha | nn-laptop: it's very generous of you to offer, and I may use it -- however I'd like to point out that it's not terribly user-friendly as of yet. If people start using it, it looks like it's going to fill up, and it might become very difficult to find the files uploaded. And there are likely to be filename collisions |
| 03:01.55 | PingFloyd | ok, here you go http://www.anti-gentoo.org/ |
| 03:02.02 | h3xis | Vasistha, is this it: http://evilscheme.org/defcon/ |
| 03:02.25 | Vasistha | h3xis: that looks like the url ... heh, yeah, that's it! |
| 03:02.38 | h3xis | haha, i remember reading about it some time ago |
| 03:02.39 | nn-laptop | no because you can make dirs |
| 03:02.52 | nn-laptop | thus tree structure |
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| 03:03.33 | nn-laptop | plus big files or not needed ones can be deleated |
| 03:04.34 | nn-laptop | and every so often i will clober all files on the bin ;; espescially when i get full probley not for a month or 2 anyway well injoy it it's my bed time ;;; good night |
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| 03:05.49 | nn-laptop | ps even comes with built in editer / file maker really nice script |
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| 03:10.55 | jamesbrink | anyone know what i have to do to install on a usb hdd? |
| 03:11.17 | jamesbrink | when i load it up on a different machine the drive may change from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb |
| 03:11.26 | jamesbrink | anyone know how to overcome this issue? |
| 03:12.54 | Vasistha | jamesbrink: you can overcome the mounting issue by mounting based on uuid: man mount |
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| 03:13.47 | jamesbrink | Vasistha your a great person |
| 03:13.51 | jamesbrink | thank you very much |
| 03:13.53 | jamesbrink | =) |
| 03:14.01 | Vasistha | jamesbrink: good luck |
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| 03:26.56 | jasson | i have install nessus but don't know how to start it. the doc say to first run 'nessus-mkcert', but the command is not found. |
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| 03:27.45 | jasson | am i online? |
| 03:27.54 | Vasistha | jasson: probably |
| 03:27.59 | jasson | :D |
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| 03:28.20 | Vasistha | don't you see the joins/parts? |
| 03:28.24 | jasson | Vasistha: where are all the debianers? |
| 03:28.43 | jager | we're here |
| 03:28.50 | jager | dunno where the real debianers are |
| 03:28.53 | jager | i'm just an extra |
| 03:29.05 | mlowe | i'm just having a beer |
| 03:29.06 | Vasistha | jasson: well, europe is asleep. As for the americans ... dunno. Probably noone knows how to answer your question, who's paying attention |
| 03:29.09 | jasson | Vasistha: when i start it in kde, i get a login screen. but i can't login to localhost. |
| 03:29.23 | jasson | every is still in May |
| 03:29.28 | jasson | Day holidy mood. |
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| 03:30.41 | jasson | hey, there is a #nessus. will go there now. |
| 03:30.48 | Vasistha | good luck |
| 03:31.26 | maddash | half of the US is passed out by now, and the other half are about to be. |
| 03:31.34 | pzn | I installed a new server (debian etch/amd64) and the remote diskless computers do not get an IP address (DHCPD). can you take a look at the error? http://rafb.net/p/XaL8PT95.html thanks in advance. |
| 03:31.35 | maddash | s/are/is/ |
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| 03:32.01 | maddash | !nessus |
| 03:32.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, nessus is a security scanner with 209 plugins, available at http://www.nessus.org |
| 03:32.08 | maddash | psht. |
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| 03:33.30 | jasson | maddash: what was that suppose to mean> |
| 03:33.43 | maddash | I finally have my truecrypt partition up, so I'm a happy guy. |
| 03:33.53 | jasson | ah! |
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| 03:34.25 | jasson | what is truecrypt? |
| 03:34.32 | maddash | !truecrypt |
| 03:34.46 | jasson | no answer. |
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| 03:34.58 | Vasistha | ask google? |
| 03:35.05 | Vasistha | or google.com/linux |
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| 03:35.10 | jasson | yeah, good idea. |
| 03:35.24 | maddash | dpkg: truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption. See also, LUKS. |
| 03:35.25 | dpkg | maddash: okay |
| 03:35.34 | Rusty1 | pzn eth0 on the first eth1, on the new - why |
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| 03:35.47 | maddash | dpkg: truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption. http://www.truecrypt.org . See also, LUKS. |
| 03:35.47 | dpkg | ...but truecrypt is already something else... |
| 03:36.08 | pzn | Rusty1: the new computer has 2 ethernets. internal network is eth1 in the new one. |
| 03:36.25 | mfrisch | Vasistha: hello! |
| 03:36.34 | Vasistha | g'day mfrisch ! it's been a long time! |
| 03:36.39 | pzn | Rusty1: I don't see why DHCPREQUEST lines are missing... |
| 03:36.39 | maddash | !truecrypt =~ s/See also, LUKS./http:\/\/www.truecrypt.org . See also, LUKS./ |
| 03:37.01 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I have been staying on the farm ;-) just converted a windows user hopefully ;-) |
| 03:37.03 | maddash | dpkg: no, truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption. http://www.truecrypt.org . See also, LUKS. |
| 03:37.03 | dpkg | maddash: okay |
| 03:37.15 | maddash | !tell jasson about truecrypt |
| 03:37.33 | mfrisch | Vasistha: is there a ntfs undelete ?? |
| 03:37.34 | Vasistha | mfrisch: ohhh, nice. god, I wish I was on a farm. Maybe I should go spend some time on cloud ranch. |
| 03:37.59 | mfrisch | Vasistha: my apartment was making me sick...so futon. |
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| 03:38.31 | jasson | accidently got myself disconnected. |
| 03:38.37 | Vasistha | mfrisch: re ntfs, you're asking the wrong person ... I've never even owned a computer with an ntfs partition |
| 03:39.04 | jasson | maddash: a truencrypt partition will slow down access? |
| 03:39.20 | maddash | jasson: yes. |
| 03:39.21 | jasson | disk access, i mean. |
| 03:39.23 | Vasistha | jasson: any encryption is going to slow down access |
| 03:39.26 | mfrisch | Vasistha: it has been a while for me too. This guy "accidently" erased stuff, mc won't work will it? |
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| 03:39.51 | Vasistha | mfrisch: heh, you should really ask ##windows |
| 03:39.53 | maddash | I should get some karma points for that... |
| 03:40.13 | jasson | maddash: is it secured against hacking, will nmap or nessus be able to access its info? |
| 03:40.23 | mfrisch | Vasistha: those guys! well I have some ideas but... |
| 03:40.47 | maddash | jasson: TC has nothing to do with OTFE |
| 03:40.58 | maddash | jasson: erm, s/TC/nmap/ |
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| 03:42.11 | maddash | man, it's empty here |
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| 03:42.22 | mfrisch | Vasistha: I need to go try to get the info...we had purple asparagus for dinner last night ;-) |
| 03:42.45 | mystic_source | someone knows why i can`t have the direct rendering up in my debian etch :X |
| 03:43.12 | Vasistha | mfrisch: whoa dude, that's quite something. reminds me of what the englishman said to Rachmaninoff |
| 03:44.28 | mfrisch | Vasistha: off I go! be good! |
| 03:44.33 | Vasistha | later! |
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| 03:44.42 | maddash | this duplicate X11 process issue is disturbing |
| 03:45.09 | maddash | and the worst part is that I have no idea of what's causing it. |
| 03:45.58 | Rusty1 | pzn iknow this is a lame? but have you restarted services on all clients |
| 03:46.00 | wols_ | maddash: one is :0 and the other is :1 ? |
| 03:46.47 | maddash | wols_: no. I `ps aux|grep X` |
| 03:47.41 | maddash | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/466838 |
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| 03:48.25 | maddash | wols_: and it's not ssh-agent, because I explicitly flagged /etc/X11/Xsession.options with "no-use-ssh-agent" |
| 03:48.55 | pzn | Rusty1: yes, I shutdown clients and turn them on again... in server: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart |
| 03:49.32 | pzn | Rusty1: I'm trying a little deeper debug with wireshark now... |
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| 03:55.06 | pzn | no success with wireshark/ethereal... just DHCPDISCOVER and DHCPOFFER. no DHCPREQUEST, no DHCPACK... anyone has a hint? http://rafb.net/p/XaL8PT95.html |
| 03:57.01 | geo-rge | hi, is jack audio connection kit being considered as backend audio piping for debian? if not... I'm running kde, and (first what is the sound server/thing for kde) and (second is that thing jack-aware)? |
| 03:57.35 | jetscreamer | kde uses arts, i 'think' i've seen an arts jack plugin but not sure |
| 03:57.48 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search something | grep something |
| 03:58.44 | jetscreamer | mmh maybe not |
| 03:59.03 | geo-rge | dual:~/prosperlearning> apt-cache search arts | grep ^arts (and the answer is...) arts - sound system from the official KDE release |
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| 03:59.12 | geo-rge | so, yes :) |
| 03:59.24 | geo-rge | well to half :) |
| 03:59.39 | maddash | wols_, or anyone else? http://pastebin.ca/466838. this thing has been creeping me out for days. |
| 03:59.52 | jetscreamer | you can tell kde to use something else i 'think' |
| 04:00.12 | geo-rge | pzn: no dhcp server on your net? |
| 04:00.23 | jetscreamer | http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-dl1.html ? |
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| 04:01.37 | pzn | geo-rge: yes, there is a dhcp server. the log messages are from it. |
| 04:02.10 | geo-rge | pzn: so something's not getting across the line... it sounds like part is working and part not |
| 04:02.20 | geo-rge | that sound right to you? |
| 04:03.19 | pzn | geo-rge: when I changed from sarge to etch, the diskless clients stopped working at dhcp negotiation. other regular computers do dhcp well... that is very strange... i'll downgrade dhcp3-server package to check... |
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| 04:04.37 | geo-rge | do you have specific configs for each diskless client? (like, hostname <--> specific ip addr, which fs to mount where on that client, etc) |
| 04:07.57 | pzn | Rusty1, geo-rge: I downgraded to sarge dhcp3-server and everything worked as expected. I'll fill-in a bug report |
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| 04:12.52 | kevinrose | http://digg.com/mods/Join_the_digg_channel_on_irc_gg_center_net_SUPPORT_DIGG_S_CAUSE |
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| 04:16.06 | jnguy | Howdy. Anyone know how to determine which process is using a kernel module? |
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| 04:19.02 | grendal_prime | is anyone familiar with the -via switch for vnc? |
| 04:19.08 | hatter | newsbreak: If you have an ide tape drive with etch you may need the ide-scsi module which is now NOT part of the vanilla kernel. |
| 04:19.22 | grendal_prime | it works really well..im trying ti figure a way of doing the same thing for rdesktop. |
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| 04:20.15 | hatter | confirmed tape drives: Sony 420C & Seagate STT20000A |
| 04:20.23 | hatter | grrr hisss hisss grrrr |
| 04:20.28 | grendal_prime | basically the -via in vnc allows you to use the gateway, linux router as a sort of ...well ondemand vpn and redirect the connection to another ip on the other side..all at one time. |
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| 04:21.07 | hatter | grendal_prime: and tunnel it through ssh ? |
| 04:21.09 | mfrisch | Ok I have a borked filesystem is there any options to get the data?? |
| 04:22.03 | xq | by borked...? like unable to access partition, boot? |
| 04:22.34 | grendal_prime | ya hatter |
| 04:23.21 | mfrisch | xq: it is a damn ntfs partition from a friends computer, has important docs and it has a messed up filesystem on top of him just deleting them ;-) |
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| 04:23.29 | xq | oh |
| 04:23.34 | xq | ntfs...i don't do ntfs ugh |
| 04:23.40 | xq | entire fs, eh? |
| 04:23.43 | hatter | grendal_prime: thats pretty neat, though I find i vnc to the gateway then want to choose which vnc to go to inside the LAN |
| 04:24.02 | mfrisch | xq: can I or how would I just dd it to a partition or something? |
| 04:24.19 | xq | it's ntfs, nfc |
| 04:24.29 | xq | not even accessible from mounting in linux? |
| 04:24.40 | mfrisch | xq: nope ;-( |
| 04:25.05 | xq | the whole thing sounds corrupted |
| 04:25.05 | hatter | mfrisch: get a data recovery program, i have success in the past |
| 04:25.13 | mfrisch | xq: whats that disk editor thingy? |
| 04:25.17 | xq | yeah, just have back ups next time |
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| 04:25.23 | xq | fdisk? |
| 04:25.37 | mfrisch | xq: I might just convert him to debian! |
| 04:25.43 | hatter | mfrisch: it doesnt look at the allocation tables, it goes and searches the disk for files, they are all usually still there |
| 04:25.45 | xq | that's what i would do |
| 04:25.54 | xq | give him gnome, screw ntfs/windows hehe |
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| 04:26.03 | geo-rge | maan, I never seen a person that ran debian... wonder if you can load it into his wetware... |
| 04:26.18 | xq | haha geo-rge |
| 04:26.36 | xq | it's a special pair of running shorts |
| 04:26.38 | mfrisch | THANKS I think I got some disk editor thingy on live cd |
| 04:26.40 | xq | and lots of bumper stickers |
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| 04:26.52 | geo-rge | also that brings up the question of what he was running before, and what will happen to his body during the conversion... |
| 04:26.53 | xq | fdisk would be on there... |
| 04:27.21 | pzn | geo-rge, the bug was that from 3.0.1 to 3.0.4, the "next-server" option is needed for diskless boot. new dhcp3-server with this option works well |
| 04:27.36 | pzn | geo-rge: I'll not report a bug to BTS anymore :-) |
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| 04:28.07 | xq | Debian does need to auto recognize/install the Acheros network wifi driver for IMB Lenovo Z60ms |
| 04:28.19 | xq | That was annoying to install |
| 04:28.22 | xq | Atheros* |
| 04:28.25 | geo-rge | pzn: ahh, cool :) maybe the maint knows about this already... hmm, maybe not... heyy, I know! drop him a note! |
| 04:28.37 | Wyzard | xq: My Z60m has an ipw2200, not Atheros... |
| 04:28.44 | grendal_prime | hatter...thats rediculas, you vnc to a gateway? you have a desktop installed on your gateway? |
| 04:28.46 | xq | Mine has Atheros |
| 04:28.57 | grendal_prime | try this next time... |
| 04:28.59 | Wyzard | xq: didn't know that was an option... why not stick with the standard Intel wireless? |
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| 04:29.08 | xq | dunno |
| 04:29.14 | xq | These were on corporate laptops |
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| 04:29.20 | xq | Intel standard did not work |
| 04:29.25 | Wyzard | ah, so you didn't have control over the options when buying it |
| 04:29.28 | geo-rge | ok, so... arts... I need someone I can ask about this arts thing |
| 04:29.31 | xq | Needed all this crap to get it up in Debian heh |
| 04:29.32 | Wyzard | ipw2200 works fine though |
| 04:29.37 | grendal_prime | vncviewer -via username@gatwayaddress 192.168.101.101 |
| 04:29.44 | pzn | geo-rge: he knows... upgrading the package shows a note... since I upgraded everything, I missed reading some notes... |
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| 04:29.55 | Wyzard | The driver's in the kernel so all you need is the firmware, no special compiling anything |
| 04:29.59 | Sweetandy | Is defoma *the* font manager for Debian? |
| 04:30.02 | grendal_prime | that will tunnel you directly to the vncserver on the otherside of your gateway. |
| 04:30.07 | xq | yeah, Wyzard |
| 04:30.09 | Wyzard | For Atheros you need madwifi, I think, but I've never used it |
| 04:30.12 | xq | Just wished it worked out of install ;p |
| 04:30.18 | xq | yeah, you do |
| 04:30.23 | xq | Didn't come recognized or installed |
| 04:30.24 | Wyzard | and that's a separate kernel module that has to be built |
| 04:30.25 | geo-rge | pzn: ok good enuf :) glad it worked out; sorry I couldn't be of more help |
| 04:30.32 | Kevin` | I use madwifi |
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| 04:30.40 | xq | yep, has to b ebuilt |
| 04:30.42 | xq | source |
| 04:30.44 | xq | fun fun |
| 04:30.44 | Kevin` | works great, one of the best wifi drivers period |
| 04:30.48 | xq | just say it should run out of the box |
| 04:31.02 | hatter | grendal_prime: yeah, why not ? its a platform to vnc elsewhere to |
| 04:31.11 | Kevin` | there's probably dfsg issues with the driver |
| 04:31.14 | Kevin` | since it has a binary part |
| 04:31.29 | hatter | but i like this via idea |
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| 04:31.31 | Kevin` | dunno though, i'm no legal person |
| 04:31.50 | geo-rge | hmm, you're an illegal person?! |
| 04:31.56 | Kevin` | :D |
| 04:32.04 | hatter | xfce4 is lightweight, only ssh is available, cant see a problem |
| 04:32.04 | Wyzard | Kevin`: madwifi-source is in non-free so you're probably right |
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| 04:32.39 | geo-rge | "We shall determine your legality... nope... you're illegal... We are not amused... off with your head!" |
| 04:32.45 | xq | yeah, half of z60ms shipped with Atheros Comm,. AR5212 |
| 04:32.45 | geo-rge | ugh! grizzly! |
| 04:32.46 | xq | hehe |
| 04:33.20 | xq | <<runs through lspci) |
| 04:33.34 | Wyzard | xq: I think there was a choice of wireless options (Intel, some other one that was probably Atheros, or none) when I bought mine |
| 04:33.42 | xq | yeah |
| 04:33.47 | xq | this is a corp. machine |
| 04:33.58 | Wyzard | xq: I chose the Intel just because I knew there's a driver for it and I didn't see much point in getting some other brand |
| 04:34.04 | Wyzard | but yeah, I understand your situation |
| 04:34.06 | xq | guess they used atheros for employees |
| 04:34.09 | xq | aye |
| 04:34.27 | xq | everything was fine and easy for me |
| 04:34.34 | xq | just might help a few users if it was included |
| 04:34.37 | xq | so they dont use ubuntu ;p |
| 04:34.42 | Kevin` | hehe |
| 04:34.45 | Wyzard | xq: What GPU do you have, btw? is it the Intel GMA950, or a Radeon or something? |
| 04:34.51 | Wyzard | (since that was an option too) |
| 04:34.54 | Kevin` | I WOULD like to see it included in the installer |
| 04:35.00 | Kevin` | don't much care about after, since I can do that myself |
| 04:35.05 | xq | intel gpu |
| 04:35.08 | Kevin` | or does the installer already have it |
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| 04:35.30 | Wyzard | xq: If you use vesafb, "vga=874" will give you a 1280x800x16bpp console |
| 04:35.31 | grendal_prime | yuk hatter |
| 04:35.38 | grendal_prime | x on a router |
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| 04:36.04 | Wyzard | xq: ("vga=875" should be 1280x800x32bpp, but for some reason it doesn't display correctly) |
| 04:36.18 | xq | mine works on 32bpp |
| 04:36.26 | Wyzard | I mean in the console, not in X |
| 04:36.31 | Wyzard | 32bpp works fine in X |
| 04:36.40 | xq | oh |
| 04:37.00 | Wyzard | but having a nice fullscreen native-resolution framebuffer console during startup is nice |
| 04:37.59 | Wyzard | Also, I needed to put "acpi_sleep=s3_bios" in the boot options to fix a problem with suspend/resume, though I don't remember exactly what the problem was |
| 04:38.24 | jnguy | hm. does anyone track distro usage? just curious if ubuntu has surpassed debian. |
| 04:38.27 | xq | to tell you the truth, i run debian on my desktops and ubuntu on one laptop |
| 04:38.38 | xq | hehe jn |
| 04:38.48 | xq | on debian i had to manually edit and configure a lot of things |
| 04:38.48 | Wyzard | and after closing and re-opening the lid, I'd get a garbled screen, that turned out to be caused by some sort of auto-switching feature between the LCD and external VGA ports |
| 04:38.58 | xq | on ubuntu, worked correctly right on install |
| 04:39.01 | Wyzard | "echo auto_disable" > /proc/acpi/ibm/video" fixed that |
| 04:39.02 | jnguy | xq: I agree, almost completely. |
| 04:39.13 | jnguy | I support debian on the servers, ubuntu on the desktops model. |
| 04:39.14 | xq | didn't detur me from debian, just wished its installer/probe modules worked more |
| 04:39.19 | Wyzard | jnguy: http://www.distrowatch.org/ |
| 04:39.22 | jnguy | although I'm still using debian on laptops/desktops. |
| 04:39.28 | jnguy | Wyzard: I actually just looked there. |
| 04:39.29 | xq | aye, specially on laptops and desktops |
| 04:39.37 | Sweetandy | Does anybody know how I might go about installing more... compatible fonts for OpenOffice2.0.4 on Debian Lenny? |
| 04:39.38 | Wyzard | Ubuntu seems to be the most popular |
| 04:39.48 | jnguy | I don't know if hpd is accurate. |
| 04:39.52 | xq | Aye, it does |
| 04:39.57 | jnguy | lol. |
| 04:40.01 | xq | Debian...I think is more for power users and not endusers |
| 04:40.03 | jnguy | maybe its just who has the most problems :) |
| 04:40.09 | xq | yeah lol |
| 04:40.11 | xq | On install |
| 04:40.19 | Wyzard | xq: It's server-oriented rather than desktop-oriented, that's all |
| 04:40.26 | xq | aye |
| 04:40.38 | jnguy | I think if I started using linux now I'd go with ubuntu. |
| 04:40.44 | jnguy | I'm just really used to debian. |
| 04:40.54 | xq | same |
| 04:41.00 | xq | I have to have my debian |
| 04:41.13 | xq | Out of default/used to..I guess |
| 04:41.17 | jnguy | and just looking at the irc rooms, ubuntu almost has twice as many. |
| 04:41.19 | Wyzard | I run Debian stable on servers, Debian unstable on my primary desktop and laptop where I do a lot of customization and fine-tuning, and Ubuntu on other desktops that I don't want to manage as closely |
| 04:41.37 | Guerin | jnguy: quantity != quality |
| 04:41.44 | xq | Distros aren't *much* different specialy if repositories are up to date. And yet there are so many of them.... |
| 04:41.48 | jnguy | at the University, we're forced to use RHEL on desktops/servers. |
| 04:41.53 | geo-rge | my debian has a first name... it's Debi... my debian has a second name... it's An... ooh ya, two cute chicks! |
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| 04:42.01 | xq | lol |
| 04:42.04 | jnguy | hahaa. |
| 04:42.18 | jnguy | I think the naming of debian was a bit smug, but I'm okay with it. |
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| 04:42.45 | jnguy | and yeah, there is definitely a difference between #ubuntu and #debian :) |
| 04:42.58 | xq | yeah hell |
| 04:42.59 | xq | trust me |
| 04:43.03 | jnguy | hm. |
| 04:43.16 | xq | ubuntu -- much more gui problems |
| 04:43.23 | xq | like windows users can figure out lol |
| 04:43.24 | jnguy | too bad I don't have a textbased irc client. I want to see the union of debian + ubuntu users. |
| 04:43.26 | xq | debian sticks more with command |
| 04:43.29 | jnguy | yeah. |
| 04:43.33 | xq | aye would be nice |
| 04:43.35 | xq | will never happen |
| 04:43.46 | xq | debian seems to be more techie people, ubuntu must advertise majorly to enduers |
| 04:43.49 | xq | or something |
| 04:43.49 | jnguy | I still do a lot of things commandline/vi/emacs stuff. |
| 04:43.57 | xq | I think ubuntu gets brand new market windows converts |
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| 04:44.00 | jnguy | xq: by union, I meant cross section =) |
| 04:44.08 | xq | same |
| 04:44.15 | xq | I like my command line |
| 04:44.20 | xq | And my terminals |
| 04:44.26 | Sweetandy | I'm glad for the Windows > Ubuntu converts, but what of gNewSense? |
| 04:44.26 | jnguy | I happen to be in both right now, but I wonder how many people are here that are also there. |
| 04:44.30 | xq | same thing, just running x though ;) |
| 04:45.06 | jnguy | I just recently made the switch to Terminal. I used to be exclusively xterm, I don't really see the advantage of using xterm anymore though. |
| 04:45.30 | PingFloyd | terminal as in the xfce one? |
| 04:45.34 | Sweetandy | jnguy: Just speed of drawing to the screen. |
| 04:45.43 | jnguy | yeah. |
| 04:45.49 | PingFloyd | it's not bad |
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| 04:45.56 | PingFloyd | that's what I using right now |
| 04:45.57 | jnguy | tabbed terminals is pretty useful. |
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| 04:46.06 | PingFloyd | used to use aterm |
| 04:46.17 | PingFloyd | was using konsole too |
| 04:46.22 | jnguy | haha. I still use emacs -nw or vi, no gvim/xemacs or emacs with x interface. |
| 04:46.36 | PingFloyd | but I don't like this kbuildsycoca that konsole loads up |
| 04:46.38 | jnguy | haha, before xfce I used stuff like sawfish and enlight. |
| 04:46.41 | jnguy | eterm. |
| 04:46.54 | jnguy | kde/gnome apps are bulky. |
| 04:47.02 | xq | yeah, eterm here too |
| 04:47.04 | jnguy | imho. |
| 04:47.37 | PingFloyd | a bunch of extra services |
| 04:47.51 | jnguy | Terminal has nice fonts :) |
| 04:47.55 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:48.07 | Guerin | ANY terminal emulator has a;ll the fonts you wants |
| 04:48.19 | jnguy | vs xterm |
| 04:48.22 | Guerin | i could be using MS Comic Sans for all you know |
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| 04:48.57 | PingFloyd | I just use "fixed" myself |
| 04:48.58 | jnguy | yeah, just comparing it to xterm. |
| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | Guerin: xterm defaults to a non-antialiased core X font... gnome-terminal defaults to an anti-aliased TrueType font which looks nicer than xterm's default |
| 04:49.18 | PingFloyd | one of the more easier on the eyes ones of the monospace ones |
| 04:49.24 | jnguy | haha. |
| 04:49.31 | Guerin | Wyzard: i realise, but you see my point. |
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| 04:49.36 | jnguy | I use Monospace 9.... |
| 04:49.51 | Guerin | `my stereo only came with an Evanescence CD, I'd like a refund' |
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| 04:50.00 | jnguy | haha |
| 04:50.03 | PingFloyd | same thing with Konsole |
| 04:50.16 | jnguy | Monospace is a name alias for some system font right? |
| 04:50.22 | Wyzard | yes |
| 04:50.22 | Guerin | jnguy: yes. |
| 04:50.31 | PingFloyd | jnguy: there's one called monospace |
| 04:50.36 | PingFloyd | but it's also a type of font |
| 04:50.38 | Guerin | usually BV Sans Mono |
| 04:50.42 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:51.03 | jnguy | I've never been picky about fonts, but its definitely getting better in linux. |
| 04:51.06 | PingFloyd | meaning there isn't curning etc |
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| 04:51.21 | jnguy | I guess windows didn't really get good at fonts till 98 (I think?) |
| 04:51.21 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: kerning |
| 04:51.22 | boka | jnguy: try penguin fonts; a tt one |
| 04:51.22 | Guerin | PingFloyd: kerning, yeah |
| 04:51.33 | Guerin | well, there is, but it's pretty trivial ;) |
| 04:51.47 | jnguy | boka: Is that the name of a font? |
| 04:51.53 | boka | jnguy: yes. |
| 04:52.02 | jnguy | don't have it installed. |
| 04:52.02 | PingFloyd | the main thing, is they all line up in rows and columns |
| 04:52.57 | boka | jnguy: http://www.dustismo.com/nuc/fonts.php?itemid=18 |
| 04:53.02 | boka | jnguy: try dustimo as well. |
| 04:53.19 | jnguy | haha |
| 04:53.20 | jnguy | awesome. |
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| 04:53.31 | jnguy | I was just looking for it... not exactly the best google search query. |
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| 04:53.51 | boka | anybody noticed the penguin there down in the bottom ? |
| 04:53.54 | jnguy | yeah |
| 04:53.55 | jnguy | its awesome. |
| 04:54.02 | boka | heh |
| 04:54.03 | boka | ;) |
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| 04:54.27 | boka | jnguy: oh installing font. fc-cache -f -v ~/.fonts/ |
| 04:54.40 | jnguy | haha. didn't knwo that. |
| 04:54.40 | boka | jnguy: obvioulsy you'd extract the fonts there first. |
| 04:54.59 | xq | or look for a .deb omg |
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| 04:56.41 | markofvero | anyone know whether Debian 4.0 includes the L7-filter classifier for Netfilter? |
| 04:57.56 | xq | so digg.com has gone insane |
| 04:58.05 | h3xis | no kidding |
| 04:58.28 | boka | xq: ? |
| 04:58.31 | xq | fun hex |
| 04:58.44 | xq | boka: just their users, main page digg.com = all stuff on HD DVD key |
| 04:58.46 | markofvero | my favorite was the guy who turned the hex into RGB colors |
| 04:58.47 | xq | it went insane :P |
| 04:58.50 | xq | never seen it like this |
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| 04:58.57 | xq | hahahaha mark |
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| 05:19.38 | mystic_source | can someone help me here whith direct rendering please? :x |
| 05:19.39 | Serial | x) |
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| 05:19.39 | pilgrim | Guys...I'm stuck with a bunch of windows open....however window manger is not running I guess. coz there is no window border and can't close windows. What do I do? |
| 05:19.39 | h3xis | ctrl alt del 2x |
| 05:19.40 | pilgrim | h3xis: that'll probably restart my machine, no? |
| 05:19.40 | h3xis | ha yeah :p |
| 05:19.40 | h3xis | restart X |
| 05:19.40 | h3xis | ctrl alt backspace |
| 05:19.40 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 05:19.40 | jnguy | wow. |
| 05:19.40 | jnguy | my workstation just died. |
| 05:19.41 | pilgrim | h3xis: tried it...but windwos pop up right away coz gnome remebers the session |
| 05:19.41 | h3xis | x_X |
| 05:19.41 | pilgrim | jnguy: yeah..hahahah |
| 05:19.41 | h3xis | i guess restart then |
| 05:19.41 | jnguy | ldap died or something. |
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| 05:19.41 | jnguy | pilgrim: start your window manager manually |
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| 05:19.42 | jnguy | which one are you using? |
| 05:19.42 | pilgrim | jnguy: don't know...gnome's default?! |
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| 05:19.43 | jnguy | can you get a terminal? |
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| 05:19.44 | pilgrim | jnguy: I'm on tty1 |
| 05:19.44 | pilgrim | jnguy: but not GUI terminal |
| 05:19.44 | jnguy | hmm... if you can get a terminal in x... try to run gnome-wm |
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| 05:19.45 | jnguy | on that font command, does that need to be run everytime x starts or I reboot? |
| 05:19.45 | ufik | ppl how i may install 8139too module? list to me the command plz |
| 05:19.46 | jnguy | ROFL |
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| 05:19.46 | N3kr0N_ | who knows the packages, .deb, needed to develop in SDL? |
| 05:19.46 | Guerin | N3kr0N_: aptitude search sdl |grep dev |
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| 05:19.48 | N3kr0N_ | Guerin, interesting :P |
| 05:19.48 | N3kr0N_ | Guerin, thks |
| 05:19.48 | jnguy | boka: It doesn't show up on my list of fonts... do I need to do anything else? |
| 05:19.48 | jindal | Hi guys, are linux-headers 2.6.20-1 i686 not compatible with 2.6.20-1(2.6.20-3) i686? am having trouble compiling and inserting modules |
| 05:19.49 | boka | jnguy: gnome-font-properties |
| 05:19.49 | jnguy | boka: running xfce... |
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| 05:19.50 | jnguy | hm... it shows up in there just fine. |
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| 05:19.51 | jnguy | hmm... |
| 05:21.19 | jnguy | I just set my wm font to penguin... I don't think I can live with this =) |
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| 05:21.21 | bangers | Whats with MOTD in Etch? |
| 05:21.21 | bangers | I've changed /etc/motd and /var/run/motd but it always goes back todefault on boot |
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| 05:21.23 | wols_ | bangers: look at /etc/default/rcS |
| 05:21.24 | wols_ | jindal: EXACT same header version as kernel version package |
| 05:21.24 | wols_ | as it usually says: headers of running kernel |
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| 05:21.25 | bangers | wols_ what am I looking for? |
| 05:21.25 | wols_ | have you read the file content? |
| 05:21.25 | bangers | yes, doesnt say anything about motd |
| 05:21.26 | wols_ | go to a optometrist then |
| 05:21.28 | N3kr0N_ | who knows a channel for game develop ? |
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| 05:26.02 | bangers | wols_: http://rafb.net/p/YvCbd072.html ? |
| 05:26.02 | axolx | hey guys -- whats the status of UFS filesystem support in a stadard installation of Etch? is there stable read/write support? |
| 05:26.03 | bangers | axolx, I dont know but I'd give my first child for raidz(2) zfs support in etch |
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| 05:26.03 | axolx | bangers: i just want a stable modern filesystem to use safely across OSX and linux |
| 05:26.03 | Wyzard | bangers: ZFS is licensed CDDL so it can't go in Linux |
| 05:26.03 | formorer | but works with fuse |
| 05:26.04 | Guerin | does osx not do ext* either? |
| 05:26.19 | formorer | there is a good ext driver for osx that works fine |
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| 05:27.04 | wols_ | bangers: http://paste.debian.net/26989 |
| 05:27.34 | wols_ | like does ufs, so does OSX being a *BSD? |
| 05:27.55 | formorer | osx is a bsd |
| 05:28.01 | Guerin | not really |
| 05:28.04 | Guerin | it's mach |
| 05:28.07 | Guerin | that's all |
| 05:28.20 | wols_ | axolx: I think ufs had some improvements in 2.6.20 or .21 |
| 05:28.24 | wols_ | read the changelog |
| 05:28.36 | formorer | Guerin: its more bsd than anything else ;) |
| 05:28.40 | wols_ | however, etch has 2.6.18 by default but can work with .20 or .21 |
| 05:28.51 | Guerin | formorer: no, it's more apple than anything |
| 05:29.08 | Guerin | wols_: are debian packages made yet? |
| 05:29.17 | wols_ | some backports I think |
| 05:29.20 | formorer | Guerin: backports hast 2.6.20 for etch |
| 05:29.23 | wols_ | and sid of course has .20 |
| 05:29.25 | formorer | eh has |
| 05:29.36 | Guerin | yeh, i think i need .21 |
| 05:29.46 | Guerin | no drama, .16 still works fine |
| 05:29.51 | axolx | i was looking for something stable that does not require a brand new kernel |
| 05:29.55 | wols_ | Guerin: don't be lazy and use your compiler |
| 05:30.09 | bangers | wols_: thanks. |
| 05:30.14 | Guerin | wols_: already thought about that one. But why bother, .16 is working fine |
| 05:30.32 | wols_ | is not. IIRC .16 was one of the ones corrupting my xfs |
| 05:30.51 | formorer | .16 had several incarnations |
| 05:31.17 | wols_ | formorer: it persisted up to .17 or so |
| 05:31.27 | Guerin | wols_: funny, the reason I'm using it is because .81-.20 eat ext2/3 in an obscure case |
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| 05:31.41 | wols_ | good thing I use reiset/xfs then, hm? |
| 05:31.47 | wols_ | oh shit, my lappie uses ext3 |
| 05:31.50 | Guerin | you have my condolences |
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| 05:32.20 | krazykit | reiser. whatever happened with the whole murder thing? |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | krazykit: ongoing. |
| 05:32.35 | krazykit | ah |
| 05:32.38 | wols_ | he's in custody and will be prosecuted sometime this millenium it seems |
| 05:32.50 | wols_ | or maybe on bail. but same thing in the end |
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| 05:33.22 | Crypticfortune | so why might it be that when avahi-daemon starts (or at least tries to start. it always times out with a message abotu "timed out waiting for return value from daemon") my dhcp settings get reset every few seconds, basically meaning that i lose network access? |
| 05:33.44 | Crypticfortune | setting AVAHI_DAEMON_START=0 in /etc/default/avahi-daemon at least lets me use the network, but obviously, no avahi... |
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| 05:35.22 | mystic_source | o0 |
| 05:35.23 | mystic_source | 0o |
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| 05:39.31 | jnguy | lol |
| 05:39.48 | jnguy | Kevin Rose just announced Digg isn't censoring the key anymore. |
| 05:40.02 | Guerin | shock |
| 05:40.09 | jnguy | big Digg just got overloaded. |
| 05:40.10 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 05:40.11 | Guerin | but they lose |
| 05:41.43 | wols_ | the damage is already done and mostly irreparable |
| 05:42.01 | wols_ | one could have sympathy if this were the first such incident for weblogs |
| 05:42.19 | jnguy | idk. |
| 05:42.22 | Sec2nd | quick question.. why are there so many cd for debian? i believe i say 21 iso's |
| 05:42.30 | wols_ | but sites like /. already showed how to do it: wait for the C&D then take it down very publicly with story on the frontpage |
| 05:42.31 | jnguy | thats with all the packages. |
| 05:42.34 | jnguy | you just need the first. |
| 05:42.34 | formorer | because we have so many software? |
| 05:42.36 | Sec2nd | *saw |
| 05:42.43 | jnguy | c&d? |
| 05:42.45 | \amethyst | Sec2nd: Because that's *all* the software in Debian |
| 05:42.53 | wols_ | Sec2nd: debian has so many packages. it's the biggest distro out there probably |
| 05:42.58 | Vasistha | Sec2nd: you really probably only need the net install cd |
| 05:44.04 | Sec2nd | ok, i was in shock when i saw 21. other distros always had about 4 or 5. |
| 05:44.08 | wols_ | Sec2nd: all you really need is a 150MB network install ISO |
| 05:44.32 | jnguy | not bad. an entire repository of software on 21 cds. |
| 05:44.59 | \amethyst | jnguy: That's just one architecture :) |
| 05:45.21 | smallfoot- | http://openclipart.org/people/Frap/Frap_Freedom_flag.svg the HD-DVD processing key is embedded in the image, as color codes on the flag |
| 05:45.26 | jnguy | backup |
| 05:45.29 | jnguy | (digg.com) |
| 05:45.32 | jnguy | (sorta) |
| 05:45.44 | Guerin | jnguy: honestly |
| 05:45.54 | Vasistha | there was an article referenced in today's DWN that mentioned that etch has 200-some cds and dvds |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | if you can't find this sort of stuff, you're completely retarded |
| 05:46.12 | jnguy | ? |
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| 05:46.46 | litage | considering that Etch is now stable, is it advisable to upgrade production boxes from Sarge to Etch? |
| 05:47.00 | jnguy | interesting, just found out digg runs on debian =) |
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| 05:47.04 | Sec2nd | thanks for the responses guys. |
| 05:47.07 | Vasistha | litage: well, you should probably read the release notes |
| 05:47.12 | Vasistha | !sarge->etch |
| 05:47.12 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 05:47.17 | h3xis | jnguy, noticed that too :p the little swirl |
| 05:47.31 | jnguy | Guerin: What are you talking about? |
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| 05:47.47 | litage | Vasistha: thanks for that dpkg quote |
| 05:47.57 | Vasistha | you're welcome |
| 05:48.06 | Guerin | jnguy: you don't need to TELL us all about the AACS key |
| 05:48.28 | jnguy | I'm not? |
| 05:48.38 | Sec2nd | jnguy: well debian has always been known as a good server distro right? |
| 05:48.38 | litage | Vasistha: hrmm, "/msg dpkg security" doesn't mention Sarge |
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| 05:48.49 | jnguy | I guess its OT, but people were talking about it earlier. |
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| 05:49.25 | Vasistha | litage: looks like the factoid needs an update :P |
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| 05:49.46 | AndroidData | ahhh help! I'm stressing out! |
| 05:50.26 | AndroidData | yesterday my Linux computer overheated and collapsed, so I had to move onto the Windows. |
| 05:50.36 | Vasistha | damn. sorry to hear that. |
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| 05:50.55 | jnguy | AndroidData: You should make sure it gets lots of water and plenty of rest =) |
| 05:50.56 | Vasistha | fan broke? bad cpu didn't shut itself down? |
| 05:51.48 | AndroidData | I used EXT2IFS to move files from my Windows drive to my Linux drive (I had put the HD from the Linux PC as a secondary HD in the main PC) |
| 05:51.48 | AndroidData | now I installed Debian/etch |
| 05:51.49 | AndroidData | but... it can't find my backups! I need those! When I use updatedb, it complains about how the "hard link count is wrong for /backup" |
| 05:51.49 | Vasistha | AndroidData: well.. the hard drive's probably still fine, right? |
| 05:51.49 | AndroidData | ya. I have 2 PCs, and I put the harddrive in this one |
| 05:51.58 | AndroidData | but now I can't read the files I put onto it with my Windows PC |
| 05:52.20 | AndroidData | (damn Microsoft and not supporting native ext3!) |
| 05:52.34 | Vasistha | AndroidData: what is this ext2ifs? Is it supposed to support ext3? Sounds like you may have hosed your data with that utility |
| 05:52.37 | AndroidData | I moved files from my old Windows drive to make room for installing Linux. I moved them to my old Linux drive (I wanted a complete reinstall of Linux) |
| 05:52.56 | AndroidData | I think it's still there. Ext2IFS supports ext3, but it doesn't update it's journal. |
| 05:53.21 | AndroidData | they're blabbing on their FAQ about e2fsck |
| 05:53.26 | Vasistha | AndroidData: have you run an fsck? |
| 05:53.28 | AndroidData | and how I should be able to use it to restore the journal |
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| 05:53.43 | AndroidData | what does fsck do? I don't want the risk of losing my files |
| 05:53.50 | mystic_source | someone know some good tuturial about ... direct rendering and debian? |
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| 05:54.04 | AndroidData | I'm HEAVILY stressed out here. I KNEW I should've saved my files on a backup server, but I was afraid someone might've found them somehow and stole them. |
| 05:54.20 | Vasistha | AndroidData: fsck = File System ChecK |
| 05:54.21 | AndroidData | (the backup server has two others with access, not really trustworthy for me to put it there) |
| 05:54.38 | AndroidData | ok I just do fsck /dev/hdc |
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| 05:54.49 | Vasistha | AndroidData: well, you might consider taking your disks to a professional, if your data is important. |
| 05:54.56 | AndroidData | the superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem |
| 05:55.54 | AndroidData | well I'd rather have it running here to restore my files |
| 05:56.08 | AndroidData | as opposed to taking them to a professional |
| 05:56.25 | Vasistha | but you *do* realize that if you mess up while you're trying to recover them, you could destroy any chance of even a professional restoring them |
| 05:56.31 | AndroidData | I do |
| 05:56.54 | \amethyst | AndroidData: do you have enough spare disk space elsewhere to image the entire drive? |
| 05:57.11 | \amethyst | that way you can play around with the image to recover the data |
| 05:57.19 | AndroidData | hmm |
| 05:57.29 | \amethyst | s/drive/partition/ |
| 05:57.29 | AndroidData | I don't |
| 05:57.42 | AndroidData | it's my biggest drive. |
| 05:57.55 | AndroidData | 75 GB vs. 37 GB |
| 05:58.10 | AndroidData | I just need to retrieve this one directory. :'( |
| 05:58.15 | AndroidData | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.09 | \amethyst | AndroidData: have you tried mounting it with -o ro,check=none |
| 05:59.10 | \amethyst | ? |
| 05:59.16 | AndroidData | no :p |
| 05:59.22 | Azar | jnguy: what's the buzz with digg? |
| 05:59.29 | AndroidData | how do I do that? I'm using the GNOME mount util <_< |
| 05:59.35 | AndroidData | yeah I suck |
| 05:59.40 | unix_infidel | Azar: what b4zz+ |
| 05:59.48 | Vasistha | AndroidData: first of all, you might want to boot into single user mode |
| 05:59.58 | Azar | unix_infidel: I am reading something at /. but can't get it |
| 06:00.07 | AndroidData | Vasistha: why? |
| 06:00.21 | unix_infidel | Azar: so? |
| 06:00.24 | \amethyst | AndroidData: it's currently unmounted, right? |
| 06:00.28 | AndroidData | ya |
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| 06:00.30 | jnguy | Azar: They censored a few post containing the HD-DVD key, and there was outrage from within the community (apparently) |
| 06:00.45 | \amethyst | AndroidData: The directory that you need... have you touched it from Windows? |
| 06:00.49 | Azar | ahhhhh... I see :) |
| 06:00.59 | \amethyst | AndroidData: written to it, that is |
| 06:01.03 | AndroidData | ya |
| 06:01.11 | AndroidData | but appearantly it didn't update the "hard link count" |
| 06:01.14 | \amethyst | AndroidData: ok, we'll try mounting it as ext2 not ext3 |
| 06:01.17 | AndroidData | but they ARE there |
| 06:01.29 | AndroidData | ok |
| 06:01.56 | \amethyst | AndroidData: try mount -t ext2 /dev/foo /some/mountpoint -o ro,check=none,errors=continue |
| 06:02.26 | AndroidData | wrong fs type, bad optoon |
| 06:02.57 | \amethyst | what if you do the same with ext3? |
| 06:03.08 | AndroidData | same <_< |
| 06:03.33 | Azar | jnguy: that's evolution, back in the days we fought to get the key to a radio station online archive to listen to our fav songs.. |
| 06:03.50 | jnguy | lol. When was this? |
| 06:04.00 | Azar | jnguy: like 7 years ago, using webtv.. |
| 06:04.04 | AndroidData | ahh disk manager says no known partitions |
| 06:04.08 | \amethyst | AndroidData: and if you omit the "check=none" ? |
| 06:04.16 | jnguy | lol. Old school... I don't remember that at all. |
| 06:04.21 | AndroidData | nothing |
| 06:04.21 | jnguy | I wasn't very active at the time. |
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| 06:04.31 | AndroidData | what does mke2fs do? |
| 06:04.37 | Azar | jnguy: the tool that changed the keys was called "sonicsnagger" |
| 06:04.38 | \amethyst | AndroidData: format |
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| 06:04.43 | AndroidData | uh-oh |
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| 06:04.54 | AndroidData | um |
| 06:04.57 | AndroidData | TOTALLY unrelated |
| 06:05.03 | AndroidData | but is there a way to get files off of a formatted HD? |
| 06:05.09 | \amethyst | heh |
| 06:05.21 | \amethyst | This is where the professionals come in |
| 06:05.36 | \amethyst | the data is (mostly) still there, but all the stuff saying what data is where is missing |
| 06:06.01 | \amethyst | AndroidData: what kind of data is it you are looking for? jpegs, text, zip files? |
| 06:06.21 | AndroidData | everything! |
| 06:06.36 | AndroidData | it contains all of my documents, source-codes, and my life's work |
| 06:06.43 | AndroidData | which, by the way, I should've BACKED UP |
| 06:06.44 | AndroidData | >_< |
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| 06:07.31 | \amethyst | AndroidData: the program "strings" may be helpful for the source code and other text files |
| 06:08.08 | \amethyst | AndroidData: there's a program called "recoverjpeg" for jpegs, and another in package "testdisk" for some other image formats |
| 06:08.18 | AndroidData | augh |
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| 06:08.36 | AndroidData | bah. I typed the mke2fs command too soon <_< |
| 06:08.45 | AndroidData | I aborted it while it was working, hence the superblock error |
| 06:09.16 | Vasistha | AndroidData: well, I'll say it again -- you might consider taking your disk to a professional. You might be able to get all your data for a few hundred dollars |
| 06:11.16 | \amethyst | ole: _vimrc |
| 06:11.16 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:11.16 | unix_infidel | how effective is a script that takes the whatever file gpg outputs and then shreds it |
| 06:11.16 | unix_infidel | in terms of covering tracks? |
| 06:11.16 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: you should read man shred |
| 06:11.17 | unix_infidel | Vasistha: i know about shred. |
| 06:11.17 | unix_infidel | that's why i used the term shred. |
| 06:11.18 | unix_infidel | instead of rm |
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| 06:11.19 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: well..... are you using a journaled file system? Do you know if the file is being written to disk? |
| 06:11.20 | unix_infidel | Vasistha: well, if its not written to the disk then its in ram or tmp? |
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| 06:12.27 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: so you're using gpg to decrypt something, then erasing the decrypted output? |
| 06:13.07 | unix_infidel | yes. |
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| 06:14.49 | AndroidData | thank GOD |
| 06:14.56 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: If you can, have the output go to a ramdisk rather than a physical disk |
| 06:15.00 | AndroidData | thank GOD I aborted the procedure before it did it's work |
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| 06:15.17 | AndroidData | I managed to use TestDisk to restore the partition table -- which was the only thing that was destroyed |
| 06:15.24 | unix_infidel | \amethyst: thanks, i'll take that into consideration, any thing else? |
| 06:15.25 | AndroidData | I tcan see my files and everything now... but not the files I need |
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| 06:15.37 | AndroidData | so we're stepping back... and now I have to restore it |
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| 06:16.43 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: Presumably you're doing something with the data between decrypting it and shredding it? |
| 06:17.00 | AndroidData | OK I did that mount command |
| 06:17.03 | unix_infidel | \amethyst: read, possibly write to it. |
| 06:17.10 | unix_infidel | its a word document. |
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| 06:17.22 | AndroidData | but my files aren't there |
| 06:17.35 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: Then you have to be very concerned about what your word processor does with temp data |
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| 06:18.07 | unix_infidel | it creates a tmp file in the same dir as the output-ed file in question. |
| 06:18.17 | \amethyst | AndroidData: ext2 or ext3? |
| 06:18.35 | Azar | R.I.P. Progeny: "We are sad to nform you that Progeny Linux Systems is ceasing operations." |
| 06:18.39 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: If it doesn't lock pages stuff might also wind up in the swap |
| 06:18.51 | AndroidData | well it is ext3 but I mounted it as ext2 |
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| 06:19.08 | AndroidData | but the same "hard link count error" happens when I use updatedb (which uses /bin/find) |
| 06:19.14 | \amethyst | AndroidData: try mounting it as ext3 then (again with -o ro,errors=continue) |
| 06:19.14 | AndroidData | err /usr/bin/find |
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| 06:20.50 | AndroidData | OK but still no files |
| 06:21.12 | Azar | wtf is for sale now |
| 06:21.24 | \amethyst | There's a fair chance that fsck will be able to locate the orphaned files and stick them in /lost+found (with missing filenames), but it might also permanently trash some of them |
| 06:22.23 | unix_infidel | \amethyst: lock pages stuff? |
| 06:22.34 | AndroidData | I ran fsck on it, but it said clean |
| 06:22.46 | streuner | How are you able to see in aptitude without GUI which packages are on hold? |
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| 06:23.25 | litage | how long does old-stable receive security updates for? |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | usually 1 year |
| 06:24.03 | \amethyst | streuner: aptitude search ~ahold |
| 06:24.10 | streuner | somebody spoke about 6 months in one ML, IIRC |
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| 06:24.42 | streuner | \amethyst: thanks |
| 06:24.57 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: Your word processor probably makes in-memory copies of the document data. Theoretically those can get paged out to swap |
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| 06:25.13 | unix_infidel | \amethyst: upon boot, swap is erased no? |
| 06:25.26 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: Don't think so |
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| 06:25.35 | Azar | jnguy: it is also on Google, over 300,000 of references to the "number" |
| 06:26.17 | streuner | litage: 6 months for sure, just search in debian-security ML to see what's going on |
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| 06:26.36 | Azar | litage: rc6 is just out |
| 06:26.40 | \amethyst | unix_infidel: You can have your shutdown scripts shred the swap partition then mkswap it |
| 06:26.54 | litage | thanks |
| 06:27.07 | AndroidData | I'll leave fsck running... Ihope this works |
| 06:27.24 | unix_infidel | hm, someone should create a package that does this. |
| 06:28.09 | \amethyst | Hm... there ought to be a utility to run a program but mlocking all the memory it allocates |
| 06:28.26 | \amethyst | with an LD_PRELOAD or something |
| 06:29.13 | \amethyst | I guess malloc usually uses anonymous mmap these days? |
| 06:29.22 | \amethyst | Or is it still using brk? |
| 06:29.29 | tuv | why would icons ignore my gnome's notification area and show up in separate windows? |
| 06:31.08 | \amethyst | s/there \(ought to\) be/someone \1 write/ |
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| 06:32.20 | rahul | \amethyst: it falls back to anon mmap |
| 06:32.36 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | i heard qotd104 is <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
| 06:33.11 | streuner | hehe |
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| 06:33.22 | rahul | if the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine |
| 06:33.31 | rahul | if there's no one in control, we're the ones who draw the line |
| 06:33.38 | Azar | heeehehehehehe |
| 06:33.44 | rahul | though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try |
| 06:33.51 | Azar | honorables! |
| 06:33.53 | rahul | though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly |
| 06:34.07 | rahul | Azar: what about me? |
| 06:34.10 | Azar | rahul? stfu? kik nuts? |
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| 06:34.27 | rahul | aww |
| 06:34.30 | Azar | :) hello mister rahul |
| 06:34.42 | rahul | well, on that note, I need to get some sleep |
| 06:35.18 | Azar | rahul: "nobody likes to see us toghether but it don't matter bo" |
| 06:36.04 | rahul | heh |
| 06:36.29 | Azar | debian kiks ass in the entire world! |
| 06:36.31 | simonrvn | that's a funny qotd |
| 06:37.03 | rahul | !qotd181 |
| 06:37.03 | dpkg | <rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 06:37.13 | tarzeau | Azar: true |
| 06:38.22 | Azar | and my heart is happy seeing that Debian gets praised everywhere no matter what its forks say or do |
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| 06:42.07 | tarzeau | www.progeny.com no more |
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| 06:42.56 | tuv | tarzeau, that's sad |
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| 06:43.14 | Azar | tarzeau: yeah I saw that earlier.. |
| 06:43.17 | tuv | although i'm not sure if it was any useful to any one |
| 06:43.52 | Azar | tarzeau: what's sadder is that it might be sold.. and end up on some lame hands |
| 06:44.05 | tarzeau | Azar: who cares? there's debian! |
| 06:44.12 | tarzeau | tuv: i don't think so, not really |
| 06:44.25 | Azar | tarzeau: which was the first, the debian or the progeny? |
| 06:44.32 | tarzeau | tuv: every linux distro less means less headache to anyone who needs to make a choice which one he tries to start up with |
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| 06:44.36 | tarzeau | Azar: debian |
| 06:45.18 | Azar | hmm interesting article: anyone here fan of bayesian filtering system? |
| 06:45.20 | tuv | i thought progeny was more like a corporate customized version of debian |
| 06:45.34 | jeremyb | where can i get a list of foreign deb channels? |
| 06:45.37 | tarzeau | tuv: it was |
| 06:45.54 | Azar | yeah some big shots were running progeny |
| 06:46.24 | tuv | tarzeau, so in this case on less distro meant more headache to corporate linux users -- now they don't have debian support |
| 06:46.41 | tarzeau | jeremyb: http://wiki.debian.org/ should have one |
| 06:46.54 | tarzeau | tuv: they sure have, www.debian.org/consultants |
| 06:47.00 | tarzeau | tuv: and there's ubuntu... |
| 06:47.14 | tarzeau | tuv: which is on the same level as progeny (both not debian) |
| 06:47.26 | tuv | tarzeau, isn't 'ubuntu is not debian' valid here? |
| 06:47.35 | tarzeau | tuv: yes it is. but is progeny debian? |
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| 06:47.51 | tuv | tarzeau, never used it so can't tell |
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| 06:48.30 | tuv | tarzeau, if it uses the same debian packages i'd say it is |
| 06:48.55 | jeremyb | tarzeau: don't see but i think i'll find it somewhere else. do you know offhand about a directory of real names vs. irc names? |
| 06:49.01 | unix_infidel | \amethyst: from what i hear, swapoff takes a while. |
| 06:49.06 | unix_infidel | unmounting it isnt sufficient. |
| 06:49.13 | Azar | tarzeau, interested in spam filters ? |
| 06:49.55 | tarzeau | tuv: progeny wasn't using the same debian packages |
| 06:49.56 | tarzeau | Azar: no |
| 06:49.57 | jeremyb | (specifically for debian i mean) |
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| 06:50.19 | black_13 | how do i build deb package from source? |
| 06:50.21 | tuv | tarzeau, ok then |
| 06:50.29 | tarzeau | black_13: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 06:50.38 | tuv | why would icons ignore my gnome's notification area and show up in separate windows? |
| 06:50.56 | RA3OR | 1question: how do i give an existing user root privs ? (atm the user doesnt have access to any shell) |
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| 06:52.37 | tarzeau | RA3OR: why would you want to? |
| 06:52.42 | xoz | RA3OR: explain |
| 06:52.43 | Azar | RA3OR: why should you give some user root access? |
| 06:52.44 | tarzeau | RA3OR: why not use su or sudo? |
| 06:53.29 | Azar | RA3OR: adduser to give him shell without the need to give root access |
| 06:53.29 | xoz | or jail |
| 06:53.33 | black_13 | tarzeau, i know how to get the source "apt-get source" but how do i build that source package |
| 06:53.38 | RA3OR | because he needs root (and i aint giving him my root) |
| 06:53.50 | black_13 | but i didnt see how to build that source page |
| 06:53.57 | Azar | :) there is only one root: yours -- and that's what he wants |
| 06:54.08 | Vasistha | RA3OR: sudo? |
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| 06:54.11 | RA3OR | azar: no |
| 06:54.14 | xoz | RA3OR: fakeroot for installation |
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| 06:54.33 | Vasistha | RA3OR: alright, let's clarify ... he needs root in order to do what, now? |
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| 06:54.59 | RA3OR | he needs root in order to have root access |
| 06:55.10 | Vasistha | ...to do what, now? |
| 06:55.13 | Azar | !nickometer RA3OR |
| 06:55.14 | dpkg | 'RA3OR' is 82.000% lame, azar |
| 06:55.22 | RA3OR | lol |
| 06:55.30 | tarzeau | black_13: using debuild |
| 06:55.31 | Vasistha | heh, quite apropos given the recent interaction |
| 06:55.32 | RA3OR | !nickometer Azar |
| 06:55.34 | dpkg | 'Azar' is 0.000% lame, ra3or |
| 06:55.38 | Azar | :P |
| 06:55.40 | RA3OR | oh |
| 06:55.48 | CaT[tm] | buuuuurn ;) |
| 06:55.50 | tarzeau | black_13: that's in devscripts |
| 06:55.51 | yettenet | Hi there! I'd like to ask what horizontal and vertical refresh rates do I need to set for an LCD monitor (it is a widescreen one) |
| 06:55.59 | RA3OR | imnub :P |
| 06:56.10 | RA3OR | but not lame, coz chicks like me |
| 06:56.31 | Vasistha | yettenet: I don't know how much that matters -- do the defaults just work? |
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| 06:56.38 | Azar | hmm widescreen, just read an article on that.... I guess linux did not went for panoramic yet |
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| 06:57.07 | Neel | hi |
| 06:57.12 | Neel | neel here |
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| 06:57.30 | Azar | wide screen... where we go next? surround sound? |
| 06:57.30 | Neel | hi Gul |
| 06:57.36 | yettenet | With the defaults, I can access only the 3 traditional 4:3 resolutions (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768), while my screen is best at 1280x800 |
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| 06:57.46 | Neel | how r u? |
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| 06:58.50 | yettenet | Any idea, Vasistha? |
| 06:58.58 | Vasistha | yettenet: did you try drxx? |
| 06:59.05 | Vasistha | !tell yettenet about drxx |
| 06:59.10 | yettenet | Nope, I don't know what it is :) |
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| 06:59.32 | RA3OR | Login Shell [/bin/false]: /bin/bash |
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| 06:59.45 | Vasistha | yettenet: it may be that all you need to do is add a new resolution -- you probably don't need to change refresh rates |
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| 07:00.16 | yettenet | And where can I get it? |
| 07:00.31 | fireba11 | hm .. dpkg --get-selections shows soem packages with status "purge" how do i get those actually removed ? |
| 07:00.36 | Vasistha | yettenet: erm, did you get the /msg from dpkg ? |
| 07:00.46 | yettenet | Oops, I see |
| 07:00.49 | yettenet | Sry mate |
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| 07:01.02 | Vasistha | fireba11: purged packages have been removed, and their config files removed as well -- that's what purge means. |
| 07:01.27 | yettenet | Vasistha: I was doing that, mate |
| 07:01.33 | fireba11 | Vasistha : on another box i managed to remove those even from that dpkg list |
| 07:01.51 | fireba11 | i forgot what i did though |
| 07:01.51 | xoz | yettenet: /msg dpkg _default resolution |
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| 07:02.18 | Vasistha | fireba11: you don't want to see them in the --get-selections list? why don't you just use grep to filter them out? |
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| 07:05.43 | comodo | can anyone tell me if there is a linux distro that has mp3support,ntfs file read write,and good hardware support |
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| 07:06.04 | fireba11 | Vasistha: found it .. dpkg -P [package] removes the leftovers ... |
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| 07:06.12 | black_13 | devscripts |
| 07:06.16 | black_13 | ? |
| 07:06.36 | Vasistha | comodo: this probably isn't the right place to ask |
| 07:06.45 | xoz | comodo: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 07:06.55 | yettenet | moment |
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| 07:07.09 | xoz | !tell comodo -about listkeys ntfs |
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| 07:08.13 | yettenet | Vasistha: When I add a new resolution with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't "save" it |
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| 07:08.36 | Vasistha | yettenet: have you inspected /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand to verify that? |
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| 07:08.47 | yettenet | Um... nope, moment |
| 07:09.21 | yettenet | Strange |
| 07:09.26 | yettenet | The changes are there |
| 07:09.37 | yettenet | But the desk environment doesn't see them |
| 07:09.46 | yettenet | Only the 3 basic resolutions are available |
| 07:10.45 | yettenet | btw, my laptop screen is seen as "Generic Monitor" |
| 07:13.17 | xoz | !_default resolution |
| 07:13.34 | dpkg | resolution is, like, How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 07:13.59 | RA3OR | hey guyz, if i edit /root/.bash_history, is there any way anyone can tell ? |
| 07:16.58 | RA3OR | that it's been tempered with |
| 07:18.10 | Vasistha | yettenet: did you try ctrl-alt-numpad_plus ? |
| 07:18.11 | yettenet | I did |
| 07:19.39 | yettenet | Only switches between the 3 basic resolutions |
| 07:21.39 | xoz | yettenet: add your new resolution in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:21.39 | SlayerXP | RA3OR: what dumb thing did you do that you don't want anyone to find out about? |
| 07:21.40 | Vasistha | yettenet: did you restart X? |
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| 07:21.41 | yettenet | Vasistha: Yup |
| 07:21.41 | yettenet | Vasistha: That was that short period when I left |
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| 07:21.43 | yettenet | xoz: I don't have XF86Config-4 in /etc/X11/ |
| 07:21.43 | Vasistha | yettenet: hum. maybe you should post your xorg.conf ... dunno if it will help us, but it's worth looking. And perhaps also /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:21.44 | RA3OR | SlayerXP: I want to know if someone tempers with /.bash_history |
| 07:21.44 | maddash | tampers* |
| 07:21.44 | yettenet | Sure thing |
| 07:21.45 | xoz | yettenet: xorg.conf |
| 07:21.45 | yettenet | Could you give me a link I can paste it to? |
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| 07:21.46 | yettenet | xoz: The resolutions are already in there |
| 07:21.47 | SlayerXP | RA3OR: that would imply that someone you don't trust has root access. |
| 07:21.47 | RA3OR | SlayerXP: and Yes, i always do dumb things :P |
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| 07:21.48 | black_13 | ok have gotten all the source packages (dsc) what commands ? |
| 07:21.48 | maddash | damn, I think I'm infected with a rootkit of some sort -- top shows no more than 5% cpu usage, but my core temp is > 60C |
| 07:21.48 | xoz | yettenet: try comment the other resolutions to force only one resolution. check if it restartx X |
| 07:21.49 | RA3OR | SlayerXP: but always take caution before I do them |
| 07:21.49 | SlayerXP | maddash: "my cpu is hot, therefore I must have been rooted". impressive logical deduction. |
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| 07:21.51 | yettenet | xoz: I will do it, I promiss... but first I'd like to paste the 2 files Vasistha mentioned somewhere |
| 07:21.53 | maddash | SlayerXP: in the past, my core temp has never gone above 50C, unless the cpu were fully preoccupied with make-kpkg |
| 07:21.54 | xoz | yettenet: yep, would be helpful if you show those files |
| 07:21.54 | xoz | yettenet: in /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 07:21.54 | yettenet | I already found a pastebin |
| 07:21.55 | yettenet | But thanks :) |
| 07:21.55 | yettenet | Pasting atm |
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| 07:21.55 | maddash | I swear, the RIAA/MPAA/MAFIAA must be after me, ever since I went on a torrenting rampage |
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| 07:22.44 | yettenet | Pastebin is here :) |
| 07:22.44 | yettenet | http://www.pastebin.ca/466990 |
| 07:22.44 | yettenet | xoz: I'm just too tired |
| 07:22.48 | maddash | ok, that's it, I'm switching to windows. |
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| 07:23.27 | RA3OR | SlayerXP: so you have an answer for me? |
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| 07:24.15 | yettenet | Vasistha: http://www.pastebin.ca/466990 |
| 07:24.23 | Vasistha | yeah, I saw it |
| 07:24.25 | Bozolinho | hi |
| 07:24.29 | yettenet | Sry then :P |
| 07:25.06 | Bozolinho | im quite new to linux: how do i start programs or scripts with the booting of the machine? |
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| 07:25.17 | SoftIce | hi, what package is termcap under? |
| 07:25.24 | SoftIce | I can't see to do find it when doing an apt-cache search |
| 07:25.39 | aldin | Bozolinho, what do u want to start? |
| 07:25.48 | Vasistha | Bozolinho: check out the /etc/init.d and /etc/rc2.d folders -- they each should have a README inside them that you can read |
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| 07:26.08 | Bozolinho | first hellanzb (python) and then hellahella (webfrontend) |
| 07:26.41 | Bozolinho | ah Vasistha, thx ill check |
| 07:26.58 | xoz | yettenet: what is your video card. you only used vesa there. try lspci. |
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| 07:27.34 | xoz | yettenet: the logs only honor 3 resolutions. it rejected the others. |
| 07:28.18 | yettenet | xoz: Ati Mobility X600 |
| 07:28.30 | valdyn | yettenet: you should try the ati driver |
| 07:28.31 | yettenet | xoz: You say I should configure that one first? |
| 07:28.34 | valdyn | !drxx yettenet |
| 07:28.35 | dpkg | yettenet: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 07:28.38 | yettenet | okay |
| 07:28.48 | yettenet | drxx again :D |
| 07:28.53 | yettenet | The 3rd time now :P |
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| 07:29.38 | valdyn | yettenet: if you already tried the ati driver before and that failed you would tell me, obviously |
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| 07:30.04 | valdyn | yettenet: your monitor capabilities look quite limited too, maybe they are wrong too |
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| 07:30.54 | yettenet | valdyn: I switched to ati, restarting X |
| 07:30.56 | yettenet | mom |
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| 07:31.36 | yettenet | valdyn: That was the thing |
| 07:31.38 | yettenet | Thanks |
| 07:31.40 | yettenet | :) |
| 07:31.50 | yettenet | Well, I'll have to configure the sound drivers now :D |
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| 07:32.49 | pingouin | what should i use to read a file that is foo.tex ? |
| 07:33.03 | SoftIce | grrr, doesn't debian etch have termcap-compat, etc anymore? |
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| 07:33.11 | SoftIce | or termcap* ? |
| 07:33.22 | xoz | SoftIce: apt-cache search |
| 07:33.32 | SoftIce | and none of the apt-cache search termcap packages that list have it compiled in |
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| 07:33.35 | SoftIce | xoz: doesn't work |
| 07:33.42 | Vasistha | pingouin: probably a tetex or something ... to create postscript from the .tex source |
| 07:33.49 | SoftIce | configure: error: *** termcap support not found |
| 07:33.53 | tuv | something is wrong with notification-area.. nothing appears there. every icon is in its own window :( this is a recent amd64 install |
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| 07:35.10 | pingouin | Vasistha: oh ok, it's have to be compiled, thanks you very much |
| 07:35.27 | Vasistha | pingouin: have you tried looking at it in a text editor? |
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| 07:35.50 | cahoot | pingouin: any editor will display the text ( + some formattng code) |
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| 07:37.16 | pingouin | Vasistha / cahoot : yes it's open with vim, but full of some kind of parameter surrounding the text itself, like html or kind of |
| 07:37.20 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:37.37 | pingouin | Vasistha / cahoot : nervermind, thanks i gonna check how to compile this thanks. |
| 07:37.55 | cahoot | pingouin: just run tex file.tex |
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| 07:38.17 | xoz | pingouin: or latex file.tex |
| 07:38.25 | xoz | pingouin: or pdflatex file.tex |
| 07:38.47 | pingouin | cahoot / xoz : ok, thanks you for all those informations |
| 07:41.31 | Vasistha | pingouin: btw, you probably want to install the tetex-bin package, if you didn't already figure that out |
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| 07:53.48 | GhostlyDeath | yay, time to clean my files |
| 07:54.11 | GhostlyDeath | tar.bz2 what I don't use and stow it |
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| 07:55.48 | SFNradio | are there deb packages for shoutcast server or counter-strike 1.6 |
| 07:55.59 | SFNradio | ? |
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| 07:57.37 | xoz | SFNradio: /msg dpkg search |
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| 07:57.55 | Hyber[at]Work | I try and mount a NFS export on one of my debian boxes, but I have issues changing owner on the files and folder. Can't that be done on a NFS share? |
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| 07:59.41 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: can be done, sure. I suspect that you are not realizing that local UIDs are used when accessing NFS mounted directories |
| 07:59.58 | sid | In sid, I am not able to install rhythmbox. " rhythmbox: Depends: libnautilus-burn3 but it is not installable" |
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| 08:00.18 | sid | But libnautilus-burn3 is not available, but libnautilus-burn4 is available. |
| 08:00.33 | xoz | sid: wait until the rhythmbox is updated |
| 08:00.34 | cydork | sid: checked bts? |
| 08:00.34 | tarzeau | sid: then rhythmbox needs an update |
| 08:00.40 | Hyber[at]Work | xtat, so because it dosn't know the uid of the server, it cant chown? |
| 08:00.42 | tarzeau | xoz: or he does it himself |
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| 08:01.47 | SFNradio | I am trying to choose between centos and debian, what would be a reason to use one over the other |
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| 08:02.13 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: when it goes to access a file over NFS, the name->UID mapping happens locally, so if the UID numbers differ in /etc/passwd between server/client, you will have problems |
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| 08:02.18 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 08:02.18 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 08:02.36 | tarzeau | !overfiendsphallus |
| 08:02.37 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 08:03.00 | xoz | !toys |
| 08:03.00 | dpkg | the difference between men and boys is the size of their toys. |
| 08:03.17 | tarzeau | !factinfo why debian |
| 08:03.17 | dpkg | why debian -- last modified at Tue Feb 13 23:20:08 2007 by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5ED60.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 42 times, last by tarzeau, 59s ago. |
| 08:03.18 | kth` | Fact: The worldwide 'Spanish Flu' epidemic which broke out in 1918 killed more than 30 million people in less than a year's time. |
| 08:03.29 | mystic_source | why direct rendering don`t work in debian? |
| 08:03.33 | tarzeau | streuner_: you added the phallus crap? |
| 08:03.41 | sid | Is gnome installable in sid? |
| 08:03.45 | tarzeau | mystic_source: which video driver? x version? |
| 08:03.48 | sid | (if it wasn't already installed) |
| 08:04.02 | mystic_source | tarzeau well i just download the last and ati website |
| 08:04.06 | tarzeau | sid: no the meta package is broken, as it depends on rhythmbox |
| 08:04.12 | sid | It looks like there is 1/3 2.18 gnome packages, 1/3 2.16, and 1/3 2.14 |
| 08:04.13 | mystic_source | and install a few hours beford |
| 08:04.15 | tarzeau | sid: gnome-desktop-environment is broken too |
| 08:04.36 | tarzeau | sid: that's often the case with that large dependencies... you're on your own |
| 08:04.43 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 08:04.44 | dpkg | sid faq is, like, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 08:04.55 | sid | yea, I know I'm on my own. |
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| 08:06.02 | rohinton | sid: you seen sidux? |
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| 08:06.04 | mystic_source | tarzeau is normal the direct rendering work only after install the ati driver? |
| 08:06.06 | Hyber[at]Work | xtat, but I try and change it to root and that should have the same uid.. but the current user doesn't have.. |
| 08:06.12 | tarzeau | mystic_source: yes, if it's ati |
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| 08:06.21 | tarzeau | !seen sidux |
| 08:06.23 | dpkg | tarzeau: i haven't seen 'sidux' |
| 08:06.24 | sid | rohinton: no |
| 08:06.52 | rohinton | sid: http://sidux.com |
| 08:06.57 | mystic_source | tarzeau so i bealier this isosmething because the gugabbyte is hiding the hz memory and a few references .... my graohic is from gygabyte x1600 |
| 08:07.20 | mystic_source | so probably is not detecting ... the rest of the configs and the driver to :X |
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| 08:07.41 | mystic_source | if ussually work :x |
| 08:07.45 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: chown root should definitely work-- you getting an error? |
| 08:08.17 | mystic_source | damit i never like this graphic card because of that ... and i give really lotof money to him :x |
| 08:08.50 | Maerz | i wonder if there is a mistake correction terminal? like i type xs ,, instead of cd .. or i swap to letters or sth |
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| 08:09.35 | mystic_source | tarzeau only one person once can enable me herein my linux direct rendering :x |
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| 08:09.35 | mystic_source | and not in debian :x |
| 08:09.53 | Hyber[at]Work | xtat, I get 'chown: changing ownership of `vmware/': Operation not permitted' |
| 08:10.03 | mystic_source | i forget to backup all the references to 1\2 :x |
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| 08:11.35 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: oh crap, i made bad assumption :) if you're getting that as root, you need to add no_root_squash to /etc/exports options if you really want to do things like this |
| 08:11.39 | mystic_source | i'm reallu here for days try to install compiz :x in one 16000 i can`t bealiver :x |
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| 08:12.59 | mystic_source | you shure whith ati is normal thedirect rendering stay enabled at the first? |
| 08:13.16 | Hyber[at]Work | xtat, Well as far as I can see vmware server needs to run as root and therefore need to have full access to the share. |
| 08:14.38 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: no_root_squash is IMO not a big risk-- if someone's in your NFS, you're in trouble anyway |
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| 08:16.06 | Hyber[at]Work | xtat, that makes sense. Thanks for your help. :-) |
| 08:16.57 | xtat | Hyber[at]Work: happy to help |
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| 08:20.37 | aldin | anyone knows some progrma like kwebdesktop? (i need alternative) |
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| 08:22.05 | aldin | how to find out which package provides 'kwebdesktop' command |
| 08:22.50 | Coweater | !Search |
| 08:22.50 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 08:23.33 | aldin | Coweater, thanks |
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| 08:26.05 | Math^ | hello, were can i get the latest stable debian release (etch?) mini iso? |
| 08:26.19 | formorer | www.debian.org |
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| 08:26.48 | Math^ | yes, but there are a lot of version and types, dont know wich one is the best to download |
| 08:26.59 | formorer | this wasn't your question |
| 08:27.07 | Math^ | ? |
| 08:27.12 | mystic_source | well thanks anyway :) |
| 08:27.22 | formorer | you asked where to get the last stable release, this has been answered |
| 08:27.31 | formorer | there was no question about which image |
| 08:27.45 | Math^ | formorer: ok, then i will ask another question: wich one is the best i can take? |
| 08:28.05 | formorer | I don't know |
| 08:28.11 | Math^ | formorer: thnx a lot! |
| 08:28.12 | Math^ | :/ |
| 08:28.20 | formorer | I neither know your hardware nor your internet connection |
| 08:28.36 | Math^ | i just want the etch mini iso :) |
| 08:28.45 | Coweater | businesscard |
| 08:29.00 | Math^ | ok thnx |
| 08:29.23 | Coweater | if you're using a full size cd though you're probably better off with the netinstall |
| 08:29.23 | Math^ | but then i get this list: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:29.28 | formorer | this is the one without drivers and base, so netinstall may be better |
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| 08:30.00 | Math^ | a lot of iso's :) |
| 08:30.15 | formorer | but only one netinstall und only one businesscard |
| 08:30.22 | formorer | so there shouldn't be a question |
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| 08:30.53 | Math^ | better to make some direct links... |
| 08:31.14 | bullgard4 | My file /var/log/kernlog.0 lists the line "May 1 06:57:47 MD97600 kernel: [5.036000] swsusp: Resume From Partition 8:9." What does [ 5.036000] stand for? |
| 08:31.22 | Math^ | so debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso is the stable version (etch?) |
| 08:31.45 | formorer | yes |
| 08:31.54 | Math^ | ok, thnx |
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| 08:44.10 | mystic_source | strange i unistall the fglrx that cames whith debian and looks i get bether color :x |
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| 08:46.25 | raf256 | I have the VLC client, server; computer A and B in lan. Quickly: what to type/run on A (kde) and on B to see B's console (read only - just watch it) |
| 08:47.05 | Shadur | raf256: You'll need a vnc client and server for that. :) |
| 08:47.16 | raf256 | erm I ment vnc |
| 08:48.24 | mystic_source | probably was using the debian inside using the other one :x strange :| |
| 08:48.44 | mystic_source | o0 |
| 08:48.45 | mystic_source | 0o |
| 08:48.48 | mystic_source | :x |
| 08:49.03 | raf256 | mystic_source: are you high |
| 08:50.01 | mystic_source | raf256 lol is one reaction of frustation |
| 08:50.19 | Coweater | x11vnc -viewonly, then vncviewer hostb |
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| 08:50.34 | Coweater | dunno what you're referring to as console though, vnc is X only |
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| 08:51.01 | raf256 | Coweater: ok, and what to type on the computer beeing observed (B) ? |
| 08:51.18 | matholio | does anyone know how I would move an existing, working mailman setup from sarge to ethc ? |
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| 08:51.26 | raf256 | it seems vnc4server starts a separate display :1 insttead using current one? |
| 08:51.38 | Coweater | that's why you use x11vnc |
| 08:51.42 | matholio | I mean lists and archives, and memberships etc. |
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| 08:52.00 | raf256 | Coweater: on B computer I should start it? |
| 08:52.06 | Coweater | yes |
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| 08:56.19 | indraveni | hi |
| 08:57.03 | indraveni | I would like to know, which part of the gnome-themes source is having the logic of making the clearlooks theme as default theme for debian etch |
| 08:57.32 | indraveni | can some one give me this info or tell me where I can find this ? |
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| 09:02.28 | matholio | any simple way to compare system speeds ? |
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| 09:03.46 | SlayerXP | matholio: no meaningful simple one, no |
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| 09:04.14 | caliban_ | What should I add to my sources.list to be able to get msttcorefonts? |
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| 09:05.00 | formorer | caliban_: contrib |
| 09:05.13 | caliban_ | thx |
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| 09:06.04 | caliban_ | yay for the help :D |
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| 09:09.17 | utrrrongeeb | For some reason, IceWeasel's bookmark toolbar is unresponse to clicking. |
| 09:09.38 | xand | you mean Iceweasel? |
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| 09:11.42 | utrrrongeeb | xand: Yes, Iceweasel (my bad habit of capitalizing syllables.) I have a lot of Firefox extensions and themes installed. |
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| 09:13.23 | tuvwx | it seems i can't use kenrel 2.6.20 without upgrading to unstable (using testing ATM). it pulls in libc from sid :( |
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| 09:14.17 | h3xis | tuvwx, 2.6.20 from a repo? |
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| 09:14.25 | cafuego | tuvwx: You can just compile it from kernel.org (2.6.21 is th latest) |
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| 09:17.01 | tuvwx | h3sp4wn, yes, unstable |
| 09:17.57 | tuvwx | cafuego, any idea on how long it'd take to get to testing? |
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| 09:18.38 | erikyy2 | hello. i do "lp f1.ps ; lp f2.ps" and it works. but when i do "lp f1.ps f2.ps" then nothing is printed at all. this is so for all my 6 printers and i have no clue and loglevel debug does not help me and google finds nothing |
| 09:19.03 | erikyy2 | the same is true for "kprinter" based printing. |
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| 09:30.47 | kakalto | if I'm setting up 5.1 speakers, and I've stuck some stuff to do with 6 channels in /etc/asound.conf, and I'm still not getting center speaker, any ideas what to do? |
| 09:30.54 | xand | utrrrongeeb: IceWeasel is a similar program by GNU :) have you tried disabling each extension/theme in turn? |
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| 09:31.28 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 09:31.44 | raf256 | who gives a good (fast etc) SVN server for lgpl project |
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| 09:32.22 | SlayerXP | raf256: define "gives" |
| 09:32.38 | kakalto | apparently line in is center speaker... |
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| 09:32.40 | kakalto | ah well, thanks anyway |
| 09:32.59 | mynullvoid | I got a cronjob written in bash, inside the bash script it will pass param to other bash, but it won't do it; but when I execute the bash from the shell it works well, anything that I missed? |
| 09:33.00 | utrrrongeeb | xand: Not yet, but I will. I've had extensions conflicting with each other in the past... Although would this unresponsiveness to clicks be caused by an extension or a theme? |
| 09:33.26 | xand | utrrrongeeb: could be; I would certainly start there |
| 09:33.45 | utrrrongeeb | xand: Okay, I'll try that later... |
| 09:35.28 | raf256 | SlayerXP: allows to use for free like sf.net |
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| 09:37.47 | jwisher | has anyone successfully setup java 6 jdk/jre on debian 3.1 via ssh? |
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| 09:38.46 | ustunozgur | hi, I need urgent help. I am using Debian and XFCE. |
| 09:38.55 | jwisher | i tried converting the rpm to a deb via alien, it installed ok, but when i try to run it I get error: Error occurred during initialization of VM java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object |
| 09:39.05 | ustunozgur | I was creating a link to my Documents folder in the Home folder on the Desktop. |
| 09:39.20 | ustunozgur | But first I just dragged and dropped. So, it started copying. |
| 09:39.32 | ustunozgur | Then, I dragged and dropped with Shit+Ctrl |
| 09:39.40 | ustunozgur | Then, it tried to create a link. |
| 09:39.57 | ustunozgur | Then, it asked me, can't write, overwrite, |
| 09:40.01 | ustunozgur | and I said yes. |
| 09:40.11 | ustunozgur | The situation is currently this: |
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| 09:40.24 | ustunozgur | there is a link to the Documents folder, |
| 09:40.37 | ustunozgur | but the Documents folder is EMPTY. |
| 09:40.41 | ustunozgur | What can I do? |
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| 09:40.44 | ustunozgur | Please help. |
| 09:41.19 | vchrizz | ustunozgur: try: man progname |
| 09:41.42 | ustunozgur | which program? |
| 09:42.22 | mynullvoid | please have a look at http://www.pastebin.ca/467087 |
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| 09:42.42 | ustunozgur | is there something like undelete? |
| 09:42.47 | vchrizz | ustunozgur: what documentation are you looking for? i just joined, dont know of what you are talking |
| 09:43.26 | ustunozgur | I am not talking about documentation. I was making a symllink to my documents folder. |
| 09:43.27 | ustunozgur | and my documents folder is EMPTY now. |
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| 09:43.57 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.58 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.58 | ustunozgur | <-- kronic has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 09:43.58 | ustunozgur | <ustunozgur> Then, I dragged and dropped with Shit+Ctrl |
| 09:43.58 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:44.06 | vchrizz | lol |
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| 09:44.18 | yang | which is a good program for converting png to jpg ? |
| 09:44.26 | SlayerXP | yang: photoshop |
| 09:44.42 | yang | SlayerXP: photoshop in debian? |
| 09:44.43 | petemc | yang: convert, from the imagemagick package |
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| 09:44.53 | SlayerXP | yang: but, assuming you mean for debian, use convert |
| 09:45.06 | vorsprun_ | SlayerXP, yo |
| 09:45.11 | SlayerXP | hey jamie |
| 09:45.43 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, i got a new job |
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| 09:45.56 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, I will be hacking perl as of the end of the month |
| 09:46.00 | indraveni | hi, I am having the diff.gz file and the orig.tar.gz file, how to apply the diff to this orig file? |
| 09:46.17 | vchrizz | indraveni: man patch |
| 09:46.27 | vorsprung | SlayerXP, the clowns I work for now expected me to "manage relationships" and a horrible win2k cluster |
| 09:46.33 | yang | If I want to upgrade from woody-> etch , I must first upgrade from woody->sarge and then sarge->etch ? |
| 09:46.58 | indraveni | vchrizz, I used patch -p1 package.diff.gz |
| 09:47.03 | indraveni | is ir correct? |
| 09:47.14 | vchrizz | yang: you dont have to, just edit your apt sources.list and do a dist-upgrade |
| 09:47.26 | vorsprung | yang, yes and get a 2.6 kernel at sarge before going to etch |
| 09:47.40 | vchrizz | indraveni: uhm, im not sure if patch can work with gzipped files too... i would ungzip it first (gzip -d) |
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| 09:49.03 | EmleyMoor | I just updated my lenny box and ejabberd no longer listens - it's running but nothing can connect to it - any idea why that might be? |
| 09:49.21 | indraveni | vchrizz, ok, after unzip do i need to copy that into the orig.tar file? |
| 09:49.39 | SlayerXP | vorsprung: good for you. i was in .dk for NPW 2007 at the weekend. |
| 09:49.48 | vchrizz | EmleyMoor: tried already netstat -tlpen if it listens to a port? |
| 09:50.19 | vorsprung | NPW? |
| 09:50.27 | vchrizz | indraveni: no, after unzip apply the patch |
| 09:50.33 | EmleyMoor | None of the ports it should listen to are listed |
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| 09:51.01 | vchrizz | EmleyMoor: then i would look at logs of it... maybe even syslog |
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| 09:53.13 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... I get this in syslog |
| 09:53.16 | vchrizz | where can i find mdadm? |
| 09:53.21 | EmleyMoor | May 2 10:52:43 hallam epmd: epmd: epmd running - daemon = 1 |
| 09:53.21 | EmleyMoor | May 2 10:52:44 hallam epmd: epmd: epmd running - daemon = 1 |
| 09:53.22 | EmleyMoor | May 2 10:52:45 hallam epmd: epmd: node name already occupied ejabberd |
| 09:53.28 | EmleyMoor | (and that's it) |
| 09:53.40 | EmleyMoor | ejabberd's logs show nothing of significance |
| 09:53.55 | indraveni | vchrizz, so, I need to extract the diff and orig.tar.gz and then excute the patch -p1 diff? |
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| 09:54.23 | vchrizz | EmleyMoor: well, then pick another node name.. |
| 09:54.52 | EmleyMoor | How do I "pick" it in the first place? |
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| 09:56.47 | ustunozgur | how can I force a file system check? |
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| 09:57.09 | indraveni | do, I need to extract the diff and orig.tar.gz and then excute the patch -p1 diff? |
| 09:57.32 | petemc | ustunozgur: touch /forcefsck will force one next reboot |
| 09:57.35 | liable | ustunozgur: touch /forcefsck; reboot |
| 09:57.45 | liable | !lose me |
| 09:57.45 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 09:57.48 | petemc | :) |
| 09:57.54 | EmleyMoor | I am very tempted to reboot the box |
| 09:58.01 | blaembel | hi! is there any tool to detect a file's charset? file(1) doesn't always do this. |
| 09:58.02 | ustunozgur | thanks. |
| 09:58.34 | vchrizz | indraveni: well, i dont know using patch well, but usually you apply a diff file to some text file, not compressed files |
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| 10:00.42 | Rapp | is there a command to insert a custom script in init.d into the runlevels? something like insserv? |
| 10:01.41 | formorer | update-rc.d |
| 10:02.03 | Rapp | formorer, thanks |
| 10:04.14 | vchrizz | is it somehow possible to save all alsa mixer settings to a file so i may restore them anytime i need them? |
| 10:04.52 | liable | alsactl does that, but i have no idea where it saves it |
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| 10:05.02 | EmleyMoor | Still just as bad after a rebood |
| 10:05.04 | EmleyMoor | reboot |
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| 10:06.56 | vchrizz | liable: thx, ill look at the manpage for further info ;) |
| 10:07.57 | ustunozgur | anyone has an idea how I can recover my files? |
| 10:08.43 | SlayerXP | ustunozgur: from whom? |
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| 10:08.59 | runa | hi i want to make a proxy to compX but i have to pass through compY. How can i do it with ssh? |
| 10:08.59 | ustunozgur | My deleted files. |
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| 10:09.10 | Octopssy | Anyone here having experience with oidentd? |
| 10:09.18 | SlayerXP | ustunozgur: restore from your backup. |
| 10:09.46 | vchrizz | ustunozgur: you may undelete them with mc if you are using some non journaled file system like ext2 |
| 10:10.00 | vchrizz | if you are using ext3, your files are gone |
| 10:10.15 | vchrizz | well, you may try "spinrite" tho |
| 10:12.19 | jelly-home | ustunozgur: if the files are of some known and easily detectable type (zip, mp3, gif, jpeg...) try magicrescue |
| 10:12.20 | ustunozgur | ext3, no luck |
| 10:12.27 | EmleyMoor | I've changed that nodename - error has gone but still not listening |
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| 10:12.35 | ustunozgur | ok, will try, thanks. they are txt files. |
| 10:12.48 | vchrizz | EmleyMoor: try using gdb ... |
| 10:13.13 | jelly-home | make backups. |
| 10:13.30 | vchrizz | jelly-home: ack! :) |
| 10:13.32 | jelly-home | ... and test them sometimes. ;-) |
| 10:13.51 | ustunozgur | yes, I have backups for older. but I have a hw that I have been working on for 5 hrs and it is gone. |
| 10:14.00 | EmleyMoor | vchrizz: Not sure how to do that with something run "by the system" as it were... and besides, does that help when things run but don't listen? |
| 10:14.02 | ustunozgur | I didnt have the time to back it up. |
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| 10:16.06 | vchrizz | what is the best way of doing automated backups? |
| 10:16.28 | ustunozgur | well, in fact emacs was taking backups. |
| 10:16.32 | ustunozgur | but the folder is gone. |
| 10:16.43 | vchrizz | i would like to make a backup of my full system and every day an incremetal backup |
| 10:16.46 | ustunozgur | so maybe it is wise to specify a different backup folder for emacs. |
| 10:18.53 | fireba11 | vchrizz: depends on where and what you want to backup .. for larger setups i'd recommend bacula |
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| 10:21.33 | ustunozgur | does magicrescue have a recipe for txt? |
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| 10:28.20 | EmleyMoor | After the last update I did to my lenny box, ejabberd runs but does not listen to any ports - how do I work out why and fix it? Is there a way I can back the update out? |
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| 10:28.54 | jovans | hello there are any 3.5.6 packages for etch? |
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| 10:30.15 | Octopssy | Is it possible to start X remotely when working in SSH shell? |
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| 10:30.48 | amaia | hi, how can i see if a user has an expired account? |
| 10:31.08 | xNibbler | should be noted in /etc/passwd? |
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| 10:32.21 | liable | expired account? |
| 10:32.23 | lancelot | hi guys |
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| 10:33.05 | lancelot | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.04 | jovans | ? |
| 10:34.26 | lancelot | the SwitchToTextMode is enabled both in /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf and common.conf |
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| 10:35.55 | lancelot | anyone reads me? |
| 10:36.24 | petemc | loud and clear! |
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| 10:37.29 | jovans | but htat is not an answer! |
| 10:38.30 | jovans | it think when i comming in debian irc i want help and not chat with myself |
| 10:38.34 | petemc | i use neither splashy nor suspend myself.. |
| 10:38.44 | Octopssy | Is it possible to start X remotely when working in SSH shell? |
| 10:38.47 | lancelot | thanks petemc |
| 10:38.55 | amaia | xNibbler, but i can't "decrypt" the meaning of the expire value in /etc/passwd |
| 10:39.14 | amaia | xNibbler, i remember of a command that issued vi to show those values |
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| 10:39.57 | lancelot | any splashy user? |
| 10:40.08 | raf256 | if I am in a kernel source dir, all is configured (.config) and I would usually now do: make install modules_install -how to make an installable .deb instread out of it (whats the exact cmd line please?) |
| 10:40.08 | CaT[tm] | only in the bath |
| 10:40.44 | petemc | raf256: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 10:41.16 | liable | thats not the exact command line, dont make the poor guy actually read something |
| 10:41.29 | petemc | heaven forbid |
| 10:41.38 | cydork | raf256: /msg dpkg kernel package |
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| 10:42.03 | cydork | bahh i missed petemc's reply. |
| 10:42.05 | jeremyb | !BTS | jeremyb |
| 10:42.41 | liable | whats that meant to do jeremyb ? |
| 10:42.43 | amaia | xNibbler, chage -l user -> i was looking for this ;) |
| 10:43.01 | xNibbler | ah ok :) |
| 10:43.09 | jeremyb | liable: i forget the syntax |
| 10:43.19 | liable | jeremyb: /msg dpkg bts |
| 10:43.37 | jeremyb | liable: no. in channel |
| 10:43.48 | liable | jeremyb: we dont wont to see it |
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| 10:44.13 | jeremyb | liable: i know how to make it say it. i want it to say it and hilight |
| 10:44.13 | thorre | greetings |
| 10:44.36 | thorre | is htere a mailinglist or similar to which bug fixes are submitted? |
| 10:44.38 | liable | jeremyb: why? dpkg isnt an irc client testbot |
| 10:44.46 | jeremyb | ... |
| 10:45.02 | thorre | so i know when i have to update my server |
| 10:45.06 | liable | i take your ... and up it a ! |
| 10:45.15 | jeremyb | liable: can you just tell me the syntax? i'm not testing and i have no intention to flood or spam here. |
| 10:45.32 | liable | jeremyb: tell foo bar |
| 10:45.49 | liable | jeremyb: tell foo about bar |
| 10:45.52 | jeremyb | i remember something more concise but i suppose that works |
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| 10:48.18 | jeremyb | !seen abrotman |
| 10:48.18 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7h 53m ago, saying: 'i know of someone in this channel that has a local copy'. |
| 10:48.26 | petemc | jeremyb: its 7am where he is |
| 10:48.38 | xand | petemc: he's usually up by then and often on here ;) |
| 10:48.39 | raf256 | I have following error while trying to install kernel (in stable) - http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=35313 how to fix it |
| 10:48.46 | petemc | oh, more power to him |
| 10:48.55 | jeremyb | 06:48:42 < petemc> oh, more power to him |
| 10:48.58 | jeremyb | :P |
| 10:49.04 | petemc | :) |
| 10:49.14 | js_ | raf256: try apt-get upgrade |
| 10:49.18 | petemc | early bird catches the worm |
| 10:49.28 | raf256 | js_: ok will try it again |
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| 10:50.29 | jeremyb | so what's the syntax for dpkg to hilight someone on response if i invoke with ! instead of addressing him directly? |
| 10:51.23 | petemc | that would have highlighted for abrotman.. |
| 10:51.44 | jeremyb | petemc: no. factoids |
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| 10:51.50 | liable | depends if its a factoid or cmd |
| 10:52.03 | liable | tell us why first |
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| 10:52.42 | jeremyb | because i saw other people do it in here and i wanted to do it to stefan_ ? |
| 10:52.47 | jeremyb | because i'm curious? |
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| 10:52.57 | jeremyb | because i like to play with bots? |
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| 10:54.09 | liable | yes, we need more bot abusers.. like i said, depends on the command, you can do !b-e foo and dpkg will address the person |
| 10:54.36 | jeremyb | b-e ? |
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| 10:54.48 | liable | but the bts factoid doesnt do that, therefore you need to !tell foo about bar |
| 10:55.44 | liable | just leave the poor bot alone. you'll pick it up if you stay here long enough |
| 10:55.46 | jeremyb | ohh, i should have thought of that. !tell is an improvement |
| 10:55.51 | aspWork | hi guys, i tried to build a custom kernel with the source package from kernel.org and my current config file (which is from the stock etch kernel) using make-kpkg etc, but it wont boot, it stops saying "waiting for root file system", am i somehow missing something? |
| 10:56.02 | jeremyb | well, i saw it in here yesterday or the day before |
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| 10:56.06 | liable | i told you that before.. |
| 10:56.09 | tarzeau | aspWork: with or w/o initrd? |
| 10:56.17 | aspWork | tarzeau, with' |
| 10:56.29 | aspWork | ie, make-kpkg --initrd |
| 10:56.34 | jeremyb | liable: i addressed the bot after you told me instead of ! |
| 10:57.30 | aspWork | tarzeau, read something about udev vs devfs, is this an issue when using --initrd? |
| 10:57.34 | jeremyb | !b-e jeremyb |
| 10:57.34 | dpkg | jeremyb: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 10:57.43 | jeremyb | weird |
| 10:57.51 | jeremyb | i get a different response if i query dpkg |
| 10:57.53 | tarzeau | aspWork: etch+ 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:58.01 | aspWork | tarzeau, yes |
| 10:58.05 | aspWork | i currently have 2.8.18 |
| 10:58.09 | aspWork | and want to move to 2.6.21 |
| 10:58.14 | aspWork | 2.6.18 |
| 10:58.15 | aspWork | sorry |
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| 10:59.22 | liable | jeremyb: dont use ! IN QUERY |
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| 10:59.30 | jeremyb | liable: i'm not |
| 10:59.58 | jeremyb | /q dpkg b-e != /say !b-e |
| 11:00.21 | psyche_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=IcdyX-8ePTE&mode=related&search= |
| 11:00.21 | psyche_ | :D::D:D: |
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| 11:04.49 | oober | How can I see what modules apache2 actually loads? I know about the mods-enabled folder... |
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| 11:06.09 | aspWork | tarzeau, i have the system on a sata drive, could the kernel be lacking sata support? |
| 11:06.21 | tarzeau | aspWork: maybe yes |
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| 11:06.56 | aspWork | is that the Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers section? |
| 11:07.04 | tarzeau | aspWork: sata probably |
| 11:07.08 | ThomasPorter | Hi, on etch.. what firwall would l have? iptables? |
| 11:07.15 | tarzeau | ThomasPorter: yes |
| 11:07.19 | ThomasPorter | Thanks |
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| 11:07.49 | aspWork | but if i copied the current config, shouldn't it include sata support, if needed? |
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| 11:08.45 | wols_ | what was the old kernel, what is the new one? |
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| 11:10.10 | aspWork | wols_, old is 2.6.18, new is 2.6.21 |
| 11:10.25 | larsl | Is there a way to install a D compiler on Lenny without having to build GCC from source? |
| 11:10.52 | wols_ | aspWork: what sata controller what root filesystem? |
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| 11:11.19 | aspWork | ext3, dono what controller it uses, hang on and ill have a look |
| 11:11.30 | aspWork | its a hp laptop, so it is bound to be a intel one |
| 11:11.39 | wols_ | ahci or piix? |
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| 11:12.16 | darrend | hi, getting errors trying to upgrade a package. Any way to circumvent/fix/force it? The specific error seems to be an old pre-remove script that returns an error. Output at http://pastebin.ca/467173 |
| 11:12.42 | aspWork | scsi0 : ahci |
| 11:12.44 | wols_ | just compile in both :) and then make sure your /etc/fstab has /dev/sda and your menu.lst has to have root?/dev/sdaX too |
| 11:13.01 | aspWork | ok, ill give that a shot then |
| 11:13.03 | aspWork | thn |
| 11:13.26 | wols_ | ok, ahci is good |
| 11:13.42 | wols_ | make sure it's not a module |
| 11:13.53 | wols_ | darrend: is imapproxy running or not? |
| 11:14.12 | aspWork | compiling now |
| 11:14.21 | darrend | wols_: no, I killed it manually and also shutdown the imap server it connects to just in case |
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| 11:14.50 | oober | How can I see what modules apache2 actually loads? I know about the mods-enabled folder... |
| 11:15.10 | wols_ | darrend: start it then and try again. if that doesn't work either: edit the script |
| 11:15.24 | wols_ | oober: tried apache logs? |
| 11:16.25 | darrend | wols_: already tried with it started, did that first. How do I find which script to edit? (and how to edit it)? |
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| 11:17.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.26 | wols_ | it's a shell script basically |
| 11:18.00 | wols_ | stop imapproxy and then edit put the stopping of it from that script, then uninstall |
| 11:18.45 | EmleyMoor | I am tempted to report this ejabberd problem as a bug |
| 11:18.55 | EmleyMoor | Anyone else had problems with it in lenny? |
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| 11:20.09 | yettenet | Could anyone suggest me a good archive-handler module? |
| 11:20.16 | aspWork | wols_, looking at my fstab i have sda2 but not sda (since i have a xp partion there aswell), but that should be ok, right? |
| 11:20.19 | darrend | wols_: that worked. Thanks very much :) |
| 11:20.33 | wols_ | sda2 is ok. you want the partitin no the disk |
| 11:20.44 | aspWork | right |
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| 11:21.01 | wols_ | and it only says "waiting for root filesystem"? |
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| 11:21.19 | aspWork | is there a tool to tell me what modules are loaded, or even better, to modify a kernel config to compile the modules i am currently loading? |
| 11:21.31 | aspWork | wols_, if i remember correclty, yes |
| 11:21.43 | wols_ | from the sound of it it's an initrd problem |
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| 11:21.58 | wols_ | just compiöe in achi, intel piix, ext3 and skip initrd |
| 11:22.01 | aspWork | ok, but i created the deb with --initrd |
| 11:22.04 | Sebboh | Quick question.. I have an ext3 filesystem. Do I use e2fsck to check for errors? I don't see any e3fsck. |
| 11:22.09 | aspWork | ok |
| 11:22.12 | wols_ | lsmod shows what's loaded |
| 11:22.21 | wols_ | from there it's fairly easy to see what you want to compile in |
| 11:22.31 | wols_ | Sebboh: yes |
| 11:22.40 | wols_ | then recreate the kernel. it's fast :) |
| 11:22.44 | wols_ | now that most stuff is compiled |
| 11:22.58 | tdn | http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P514.html <- Any ideas what is causing this? |
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| 11:23.41 | aspWork | ok |
| 11:23.49 | Sebboh | aspWork, yes, if your kernel was initially compiled to store the config in the running kernel. I think a copy of the kernel config file (the one you feed to make to build the kernel) will be somewhere in /proc. |
| 11:24.40 | wols_ | Sebboh: all debian kernels have a config file in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 11:24.45 | aspWork | thats the one i copied to .config |
| 11:24.50 | omri | can I install a debian system from a working linux system? |
| 11:24.57 | wols_ | aspWork: you did run make oldconfig then? |
| 11:24.58 | omri | like gentoo installation |
| 11:24.58 | Sebboh | wols_: ah. =) There's that, too! |
| 11:25.02 | aspWork | curse |
| 11:25.03 | tdn | I get messages like this one in dmesg: br_netfilter: Argh!! br_nf_post_routing: bad mac.raw pointer.[eth2][br0] head:d614f820, raw:d614f832, data:d614f832; What can be wrong? Is it a hardware error? |
| 11:25.06 | aspWork | no i didnt |
| 11:25.12 | wols_ | omri: yes: debootstrap. read the debian install manual |
| 11:25.20 | omri | alrighty then, thanks |
| 11:25.22 | Sebboh | your computer says argh!! ? :D |
| 11:25.29 | tdn | Sebboh, yes :( |
| 11:25.37 | Sebboh | I'm sorry. :D |
| 11:25.43 | wols_ | Sebboh: linux once said "lp0 on fire" |
| 11:25.59 | tdn | Sebboh, me too. It is a fairly critical production server :( |
| 11:26.12 | wols_ | tdn: why does it have a bridge? |
| 11:26.23 | tdn | wols_, because it is a firewall. |
| 11:26.25 | Sebboh | wols, is your question serious? |
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| 11:26.42 | wols_ | Sebboh: what question? |
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| 11:26.49 | raf256 | wols_: the "on fire" is consider easter egg :) google for it |
| 11:27.10 | Sebboh | The bridge question.. It sounds as if you're surprised that he's using a bridge and think that he shouldn't... |
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| 11:27.28 | raf256 | cydork: do I remember correctly you are debian devel :) ? |
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| 11:27.43 | tdn | wols_, Sebboh: I am running a bridge on purpose. That shouldn't be the *cause* of this error message :) |
| 11:28.28 | aspWork | wols_, do i still run menuconfig after the oldconfig? |
| 11:28.29 | aspWork | i am guessing no |
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| 11:28.57 | Sebboh | tdn, it's ok, I approve! ;) But I'm afraid that I'm not familiar with netfilter stuff.. I usually use bridges to get more packets, not less. ;) |
| 11:29.14 | tdn | Sebboh, heh. Okay :) |
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| 11:30.04 | tdn | Sebboh, do you know where to get help on this? I have tried googling, but I cannot find anything much useful. |
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| 11:30.18 | Sebboh | Well, |
| 11:30.22 | nescius | hello |
| 11:30.33 | Sebboh | we're fortunate that your error message is so specific. |
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| 11:31.13 | tdn | Sebboh, "br_netfilter: Argh!! br_nf_post_routing: bad mac.raw pointer" gives me 47 hits on Google (without the quotes) |
| 11:31.19 | nescius | the actual stable cd fails installing package 'pkgsel' and then fail to reboot.. not much 'stable' to me |
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| 11:32.04 | aspWork | nescius, checked the media? |
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| 11:32.30 | wols_ | aspWork: not needed normally, but this time I would |
| 11:32.53 | wols_ | for two reasons: to make sure ahci and ext3 and piix are all inside the kernel image |
| 11:33.19 | wols_ | and b to check for tweaks on CPU, maybe even disable some unneeded drivers. after all: it's a _custom_ kernel :) |
| 11:33.26 | nescius | aspWork, its network install |
| 11:33.38 | aspWork | wols_, ok, do i load the config or does the menuconfig do so by itself? |
| 11:33.49 | Sebboh | tdn, about that argh!! message, this is all I was able to find out: >This was caused by broadcast packets sent by the bridge that arrive on |
| 11:33.50 | Sebboh | >the bridge's loopback device. A dhcp client on the bridge can cause |
| 11:33.50 | Sebboh | >this, f.e. |
| 11:33.54 | wols_ | nescius: but you started with a CD you brunt the netinstall onto? |
| 11:34.10 | nescius | well, its an istalable disk with xfce, i never checked to try it without external repositories yet |
| 11:34.13 | wols_ | make menuconfig |
| 11:34.15 | wols_ | and it's loaded |
| 11:34.28 | nescius | wols_, yes and yes |
| 11:34.29 | tdn | Sebboh, hmm... But the firewall (which has the bridge) does not use DHCP. |
| 11:34.30 | Sebboh | whoops. silly multiple sources for pasting... |
| 11:35.01 | Sebboh | Well, tdn, that's only one way that packets can end up back on the bridge.. |
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| 11:35.48 | Sebboh | maybe a firewall rule is incorrectly putting packets there? Uh.. Well I'm really beyond my element now. |
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| 11:36.00 | tdn | Sebboh, http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/net/bridge/br_netfilter.c contains this code snippet: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P515.html |
| 11:36.26 | Sebboh | code snippet from the net branch? I'm not even going to click that. ;) |
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| 11:36.36 | Sebboh | gotta reboot. |
| 11:36.43 | tdn | Seb, ok :) |
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| 11:38.13 | tarzeau | defoma-hints can't do opentype fonts? |
| 11:39.13 | omri | I'm having a bit trouble with debootstrap: |
| 11:39.15 | omri | # DEBOOTSTRAP_DIR=/debian/debootstrap/usr/lib/debootstrap /debian/debootstrap/usr/sbin/debootstrap -arch i386 etch /debian/root http://mirror.inter.net.il/pub/debian |
| 11:39.44 | omri | /debian/debootstrap/usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 209: .: /debian/root: is a directory |
| 11:40.07 | omri | according to the manual, it should be a directory... |
| 11:40.24 | omri | maybe I'm using the wrong version of debootstrap? |
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| 11:40.45 | omri | my version's syntax is debootstrap [OPTION]... <suite> <target> [<mirror> [<script>]] |
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| 11:41.02 | enouf | aspWork: did you move your old initrd out of the way? cp /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`.bak |
| 11:41.17 | nescius | ok, it seems that it failed on configuring some packages, can you please help me with that? i am in busybox shell and i need to run something like dpkg-reconfigure chdired inside of hda, right? |
| 11:41.20 | omri | oops, I'm so stupid |
| 11:41.29 | omri | forgot to put doulbe - before arch |
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| 11:41.52 | enouf | aspWork: i'm jumping in really late here .. so .. if you recompiled with no initd, nevermind |
| 11:42.02 | wols_ | nescius: what is chdired? |
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| 11:42.07 | Patrick_K | hi * |
| 11:42.10 | omri | mmm, ok, no script for etch there |
| 11:42.20 | Patrick_K | where can i find the hppa related debian channel? |
| 11:42.21 | omri | # ls /debian/debootstrap/usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts |
| 11:42.21 | omri | potato sarge sarge.buildd sid sid.buildd slink woody woody.buildd |
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| 11:42.27 | wols_ | enouf: how much would the lack of initrd speed up booting? |
| 11:42.27 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 11:42.33 | nescius | nothing right now, i think that i am on ramdisk.. |
| 11:42.33 | jeffrin | is beowulf a HA cluster |
| 11:42.34 | aspWork | enouf, haven't tried that, recompiling withpout initrd now |
| 11:42.40 | wols_ | would one notice it (I only have installkernels with initrd) |
| 11:42.53 | wols_ | Patrick_K: oftc.net perhaps |
| 11:43.41 | Patrick_K | hmm |
| 11:43.46 | wols_ | aspWork: from the looks of it, it's an initrd problem. possibly with a too old init-ramdisk-tools (or however that pakage is called) |
| 11:44.01 | wols_ | but since you most likely don't need a initrd, it's the easiest solution |
| 11:45.13 | enouf | aspWork: also note, you might need a symlink in / pointing to /boot/initrd-XXX |
| 11:45.14 | aspWork | ill give the none initrd a try, and when it doesn't work ill let you know =) |
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| 11:45.28 | enouf | sounds good ;-) |
| 11:45.35 | aspWork | enouf, even if i go without the initrd? |
| 11:45.43 | enouf | aspWork: no .. |
| 11:45.46 | aspWork | ok |
| 11:45.58 | omri | can I install debian etch with debootstrap? the script is missing |
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| 11:46.22 | enouf | aspWork: only if using an initrd .. make sure, either way, your grub menu.lst entries is/are correct |
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| 11:46.36 | wols_ | aspWork: the kernel did see the harddisk when booting up right? just when it should execute initrd stuff it was timing out? |
| 11:46.37 | aspWork | ok |
| 11:47.06 | Sebboh- | how do I mark my ext3 fs as "dirty" so that it will be cleaned nexttime I reboot? |
| 11:47.09 | aspWork | wols_, it ran and loaded a bunch of stuff, then just sat there waiting for root file system |
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| 11:47.30 | nescius | so, how do i make the installer to install older, working version? |
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| 11:48.38 | nescius | 4rc0 is still garbage, and i think that 3.1 on cd i also have is using "stable" instead of its 3.1 packages |
| 11:48.40 | wols_ | nescius: what hardware do you have /minly what mobo chipset)? |
| 11:49.11 | wols_ | if sarge works for you: install it but DON'T install anything when tasksel comes up |
| 11:49.14 | wols_ | end the install normally |
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| 11:49.41 | wols_ | then reboot, log in and set up apt-get then do a dist-upgrade (/msg dpkg sarge->etch) |
| 11:49.42 | nescius | the chipsets are from via (i tried some of them) |
| 11:49.52 | wols_ | after that you can run tasksel if you really want to again |
| 11:50.05 | wols_ | but I'd suggest installing things only via aptitude |
| 11:50.24 | wols_ | *and then exit the install normally |
| 11:50.34 | moshii | Does anyone know a way of converting HTML to PS/PDF and having the page number containing an anchor printed next to links to them? |
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| 11:51.21 | nescius | ok, so i can install only stufff from cd1 and dont add the http repository, right? |
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| 11:51.35 | enouf | aspWork: seems like a wrong initrd pointer or entry (check that symlink), check grub entries for correct initrd line settings, and make sure that symlink to new one is in / (and older ones are renamed, as there should be already, if you have older kernels), and make sure your new initrd is in /boot, and old one |
| 11:52.30 | aspWork | enouf, ok, ill try the non initrd version first, if that fails to work ill retry the initrd and make sure that it is correctly configured |
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| 11:52.45 | Sebboh- | moshii, there are various virtual printers that output postscript files or pdf files. (Once you have postscript, it's trivial to go to pdf.) |
| 11:52.45 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. how can i view the ports that are used in debian?? |
| 11:52.48 | enouf | nm, the 'and old one' .. in /boot .. that can stay the same .. however, you might want to rename the old one in /boot .. .bak and run updtae-initramfs |
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| 11:54.00 | Sebboh- | fuzzy_logic, well, that's going to depend on what software you're running.. To see what ports your system has open right now, use netstat -ap .. the p will show you what process has that port open. Be root or use sudo for the -p option. |
| 11:54.04 | liable | fuzzy_logic: netstat |
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| 11:55.27 | fuzzy_logic | Sebboh-&liable: that doesn't show me any ports.. |
| 11:55.50 | Enverex | Does anyone here use KTorrent? It keeps crashing constantly for me with a "sigterm" error :/ Stupid program. |
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| 11:59.06 | moshii | Sebboh-: yup, but I need it to stick page numbers next to the links within the document.. it's 300 pages long |
| 11:59.06 | nn-laptop | wanted you all to know i made a file bin so you could debug easiear on irc try it ;; filebin.info |
| 12:00.05 | wols_ | !pater |
| 12:00.09 | wols_ | !paster |
| 12:00.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:00.11 | moshii | nn-laptop: not a good idea to share all your music there mate |
| 12:00.12 | enouf | tater? |
| 12:00.13 | wols_ | nn-laptop: and stop spamming |
| 12:00.14 | Sebboh- | Enverex, sigterm? How are you starting it? I mean, do you click an icon, or start it from the terminal? |
| 12:00.17 | enouf | oh nm |
| 12:00.27 | Enverex | Sebboh-, From the Gnome menu item |
| 12:00.37 | jetscreamer | try xterm |
| 12:00.42 | nn-laptop | moshii, what do you mean |
| 12:00.57 | jetscreamer | apollon i can only start from xterm |
| 12:01.02 | moshii | nn-laptop: http://filebin.info/mirror/remix/ |
| 12:01.14 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, basically, we don't want your silly filebin. IT's a terrible idea for several reasons. |
| 12:01.14 | enouf | Enverex: check using pstree, to see iof there's multiple instances or someshit |
| 12:01.25 | Sebboh- | your music is not the least of which. |
| 12:01.41 | enouf | Enverex: pstree -lunap maybe even |
| 12:02.01 | Sebboh- | And if that thing lets people upload files, you're gonna get owned. If not today, than tomorrow. =P |
| 12:02.19 | wols_ | yes, owned by some AA like the RI or MP |
| 12:02.33 | nn-laptop | Sebboh-, what do you mean by owned |
| 12:02.38 | jetscreamer | hacked? |
| 12:02.39 | Sebboh- | What's that, wols? |
| 12:02.55 | Enverex | enouf, I think it may be XScreensaver doing it.. |
| 12:03.04 | aspWork | Seb, |
| 12:03.05 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, I'm sorry. Slang for your computer being taken over by a third part. |
| 12:03.10 | enouf | that'll do it .. heh |
| 12:03.12 | wols_ | nn-laptop: sevied with a C&D which then costs lots of money and costs your internet access to very often |
| 12:03.14 | aspWork | Sebboh-, MPAA and RIAA |
| 12:03.30 | wols_ | *served |
| 12:03.33 | Sebboh- | asp, oh. |
| 12:04.23 | nn-laptop | Sebboh-, how would some one hack and iclited hd with a iclated user |
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| 12:04.49 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop: it doesn't matter. Keep your silly filebin to yourself. |
| 12:05.07 | Sebboh- | We are not here to trade files. We're here to talk about debian. Advertise elsewhere. |
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| 12:05.20 | enouf | !spank nn-laptop |
| 12:06.14 | nn-laptop | Sebboh-, well if the comunity dosent want a file bin what does it want ??? pastebin ; forum what;;;;; |
| 12:06.35 | aspWork | nn-laptop, patches? <g> |
| 12:06.37 | Sebboh- | ... irc? =) |
| 12:06.41 | ootput | i keep on seeing serialize_io=0 for better performance messages in etch bootup |
| 12:06.58 | ootput | is this recommendation ill-advised, and should I just ignore it? |
| 12:07.13 | nn-laptop | well i am mirroring debian |
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| 12:08.00 | nn-laptop | and running a irc |
| 12:08.14 | earthian_ | hello, I opened a CDROM with files created in windows, now i see '?' instead of Lithuanian letter. how do i fix this? I need to copy those files somewhere else |
| 12:08.15 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, you may have noticed a negative response to your offer. ..That's because we kinda suspect that the only reason you made the offer is to advertise your page. Maybe you've got advertising revenue. Or maybe you've got malicious code in the files. Or maybe you're hoping someone will download your music or send you some. ..The point is, we suspect you of something! =) Don't worry about it.. And check out pastebin, it's cool. |
| 12:08.16 | amaia | has anyone used chage before? what does the "inactive" field mean? does reading the e-mail with an webmail client counts for "activity"? or just an true login to the machine? |
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| 12:08.58 | aspWork | Sebboh-, not to mention paste2 |
| 12:09.02 | fuzzy_logic | hello people how can i change the ports being used on debian? |
| 12:09.08 | Sebboh- | I dunno what paste2 is. |
| 12:09.10 | earthian_ | hello, I opened a CDROM with files created in windows, now i see '?' instead of Lithuanian letter. how do i fix this? I need to copy those files somewhere else? Maybe the encoding is different?? |
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| 12:09.31 | aspWork | Sebboh-, like pastebin,just better =), paste2.org if i am not misstaking |
| 12:09.34 | Sebboh- | fuzzy_logic, did you say that netstat didn't give you the information you need? What are you trying to do? |
| 12:10.15 | fuzzy_logic | Sebboh-: i want to change the ports being used.. and netstat doesn't say anything about ports.. do i have to pastebin the output of netstat? |
| 12:10.26 | liable | fuzzy_logic: by editing the rlevent daemons conf file |
| 12:10.32 | Sebboh- | earthian_, if I had to google that, I'd try searching for "cdrom codepage linux" .. :/ |
| 12:10.35 | nn-laptop | Sebboh-, I Am not Doing this to Avertize un less it is to make A simple Linux utill power house ;;;; all i want is feed back sugestion what to add to make the best sight i possably can for the linux comunity |
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| 12:11.03 | jetscreamer | hey ad-driven mirror for apt-get... |
| 12:11.08 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, that's awful kind of you. =) |
| 12:11.15 | nn-laptop | Sebboh-, There Are no adds on the sight onily a message asking people to join the irc |
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| 12:11.25 | Sebboh- | Well good. |
| 12:11.37 | fuzzy_logic | liable: is the conf file of exim /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf?? |
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| 12:11.44 | nn-laptop | Now What can i inpruve??? |
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| 12:12.06 | nn-laptop | to help the develupers |
| 12:12.11 | liable | fuzzy_logic: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:12.13 | nn-laptop | and the debuggers |
| 12:12.24 | liable | i think it asks for a port in that config |
| 12:12.28 | nn-laptop | and all other new bees |
| 12:12.34 | nn-laptop | ?? |
| 12:12.36 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, maybe we'll get to know you and trust your webserver at some time. Well, to improve things.. Start by double checking to make sure that you don't have any mp3s served up on the site. It will look more professional without those. |
| 12:12.38 | fuzzy_logic | liable: no it doesn't.. have run that before |
| 12:13.37 | nescius | nn-laptop, to make a bugreport? :) |
| 12:13.37 | SlayerXP | nn-laptop: the very best thing you could do for the debian community right now is to learn to express yourself without sounding 12. |
| 12:13.47 | aspWork | ok, compiled finised, brb either way |
| 12:13.51 | wols_ | fuzzy_logic locate exim4.conf |
| 12:13.56 | nn-laptop | lol sory not good at spelling |
| 12:14.30 | liable | fuzzy_logic: i dont know the exact file, you need to read them all i guess, exim has the weirdest config setup of anything i have ever seen. i avoid it at all costs |
| 12:14.33 | Sebboh- | SlayerXP, heh. |
| 12:15.16 | Sebboh- | I must admit at this point I almost doubt his (assumed) insincerity |
| 12:15.25 | Sebboh- | gah. aspell, was it? |
| 12:15.40 | fuzzy_logic | liable: what deamon do you use? |
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| 12:15.47 | Sebboh- | Say, how do I set a flag that will cause my filesystem to be checked when I next boot? |
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| 12:17.06 | Sebboh- | Come on, we used to do this all the time in the late '90s... It must still be possible. |
| 12:17.07 | nn-laptop | There is onily one thing i really wish I had;; A relible admin that I can get to know |
| 12:17.12 | ootput | i keep on seeing serialize_io=0 for better performance messages in etch bootup |
| 12:17.14 | ootput | is this recommendation ill-advised, and should I just ignore it? |
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| 12:18.10 | aspWork | ok, that failed, got a: cant open root device sda2 panic from vfs |
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| 12:18.45 | Sebboh- | nn-laptop, *shrug* I don't know how to help the community, either. I did submit a patch to a project the other day, but they rejected it and blamed the errors that my patch fixed on my environment.. =P |
| 12:18.48 | Enverex | nn-laptop, ... did you say "new bees"? |
| 12:19.10 | aspWork | Enverex, think halo <g> |
| 12:19.12 | enouf | fuzzy_logic: does dpkg-reconfigure exim4-base do it? |
| 12:19.19 | nn-laptop | y |
| 12:19.21 | ootput | rvb? |
| 12:19.39 | Sebboh- | Maybe I was wrong to doubt his insincerity? |
| 12:19.41 | Enverex | aspWork, I don't play games like that |
| 12:19.48 | enouf | fuzzy_logic: how about dpkg-reconfigure portmap |
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| 12:19.51 | raf256 | in what file do I setup where given warnings (like dmesg) go (say to all VT etc) ? |
| 12:20.02 | raf256 | like emergency go to all consoles etc |
| 12:20.02 | aspWork | Enverex, lol, just took the bee joke a bit further |
| 12:20.02 | Sebboh- | Enverex, but, you might like rvb. =) |
| 12:20.15 | Enverex | Sebboh-, Yeah, seen them all |
| 12:20.29 | aspWork | wols_, any ideas on the kernel panic? |
| 12:20.38 | Braindead | raf256: /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 12:21.21 | raf256 | tahnks Braindead |
| 12:21.30 | maix | will i need all the cds or just one? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 12:21.55 | Braindead | maix: just the first. or just the netinstall one to be more precise |
| 12:22.13 | maix | no, i don't want the netinstall |
| 12:22.30 | Braindead | yes netinstall makes baby jesus cry. go for the first cd then |
| 12:22.41 | maix | ok. |
| 12:22.42 | jetscreamer | or first dvd |
| 12:22.42 | maix | thx |
| 12:22.48 | Sebboh- | Netinstall is the one true path, braindead. |
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| 12:23.03 | Braindead | Sebboh-: I now. I just didn't want to argue with him |
| 12:23.12 | Braindead | ahem s/now/know |
| 12:23.37 | loca|host | my system is showing incorrect disk space |
| 12:23.44 | loca|host | how to fix this ? |
| 12:23.45 | Sebboh- | Speaking of braindead, I can't seem to find the answer to this trivial question: How do I force a filesystem check on reboot? |
| 12:23.50 | fireba11 | loca|host: define incorrect |
| 12:23.55 | maix | (i want a real cd^) |
| 12:24.00 | jetscreamer | think root's saved 5% |
| 12:24.03 | aspWork | anybody know why my custom kernel panics with "cannot open root device sda2 or unknown"? i have compiled support for the sata controller and ext3 |
| 12:24.05 | Braindead | Sebboh-: tune2fs, for instance |
| 12:24.08 | maix | i know about the netinstall cd. |
| 12:24.20 | loca|host | df and du report i have 11G in /home |
| 12:24.31 | loca|host | and i have reallyless than 5G |
| 12:24.36 | Sebboh- | braindead, s/s\/now\/know/s\/now\/know\// |
| 12:24.43 | jetscreamer | aspWork: exactly where does the panic occur |
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| 12:24.51 | fireba11 | loca|host: did a fsck in read-only to check ? |
| 12:25.19 | aspWork | jetscreamer, during boot =), after it has detected the drives, id say it is about to mount the fs, but i aint 100% sure |
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| 12:25.21 | Braindead | Sebboh-: yeah I forgot to close the regexp / |
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| 12:25.43 | tenzind | hi .. is there a .prc ebook reader for gnu/linux? |
| 12:25.53 | Skaag | is there some tail clone that can colorize certain words in the text? |
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| 12:25.59 | core1_ | Hi |
| 12:25.59 | jetscreamer | aspWork: which kernel? |
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| 12:26.09 | aspWork | 2.6.21 |
| 12:26.12 | Braindead | aspWork: you do know that asking help on self-rolled kernels is kinda well... annoying ? |
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| 12:26.21 | aspWork | Braindead, sorry |
| 12:26.28 | jackinson | hello, I was installing debian linux through NETINST image, but after downloading all packages and installation over almost 99%, install failed. I repeated the same step again, but end with installation failed. Now I rebooted the system in RESCUE mode, and in command prompt. Can somebody help to complete the Debian linux (2.6.18-4-486).?? |
| 12:26.33 | core1_ | Apr 30 06:25:02 host2 su[622]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 12:26.34 | core1_ | Apr 30 06:25:02 host2 su[622]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
| 12:26.37 | core1_ | What does this mean ? |
| 12:26.38 | Braindead | Skaag: multitail, it uses regexps |
| 12:26.46 | core1_ | I did not tried to login at this time |
| 12:26.55 | fireba11 | jackinson: got any error message ? |
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| 12:27.05 | jetscreamer | aspWork: try using root=UUID= instead of root= , in the menu.lst kernel line, and kopt= |
| 12:27.17 | aspWork | jetscreamer, thnx, ill try that |
| 12:27.19 | liable | jackinson: rescue mode of the cd? |
| 12:27.22 | Skaag | Braindead: perfect!!! :) |
| 12:27.24 | jetscreamer | aspWork: works for me with 2.6.20 and that error |
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| 12:27.41 | himmelstrutz__ | is the mysql package broken in testing right now? I am not able to install it at all, from a upgrade. |
| 12:27.55 | jackinson | yes, I booted into rescue mode through NETINST cd, by entering "rescue" in boot prompt |
| 12:28.00 | jetscreamer | but 'that error' could come from a lot of dif things, aspWork ... but still, seems to be the biggie |
| 12:28.04 | tarzeau | himmelstrutz__: that's possible |
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| 12:28.07 | wols_ | aspWork: sometimes udev does baad things(tm) and renames devices |
| 12:28.09 | Octopssy | Hmm vncserver says its started at :1 - although theres nothing running at port 59** |
| 12:28.13 | Octopssy | any idea why it shouldn't run? |
| 12:28.17 | Sebboh- | Thank for the tune2fs suggestion! Brb. |
| 12:28.20 | wols_ | aspWork: does the kernel detect the harddisk on bootup? |
| 12:28.30 | liable | jackinson: just try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' in the terminal |
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| 12:28.49 | aspWork | wols_, ywa |
| 12:28.49 | jetscreamer | aspWork> jetscreamer, during boot =), after it has detected the drives, id say it is about to mount the fs, but i aint 100% sure |
| 12:28.54 | aspWork | ywa wcwn |
| 12:29.00 | wols_ | and it is probably udev |
| 12:29.04 | aspWork | yes even |
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| 12:29.06 | himmelstrutz__ | tarzeu: so what could I do? I need it running, should one install it manually from source? |
| 12:29.27 | aspWork | jetscreamer, so swap root=/dev/sda2 for root=UUID= |
| 12:29.34 | loca|host | fireba11, mount -o remount,ro / => filesystem is busy |
| 12:29.39 | jetscreamer | aspWork: and fill in the value for the uuid |
| 12:29.46 | aspWork | aha, which is? |
| 12:29.57 | jetscreamer | aspWork: watch |
| 12:29.59 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 12:29.59 | dpkg | i heard uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 12:29.59 | fireba11 | loca|host: you could run it on reboot .. |
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| 12:30.11 | fireba11 | loca|host: if that's an option |
| 12:30.16 | aspWork | ok, thnx |
| 12:30.20 | jetscreamer | universally unique |
| 12:30.26 | loca|host | fireba11, how to run that on reboot ? |
| 12:30.33 | jetscreamer | as in only your fs knows for sure |
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| 12:30.56 | xinuxx | hi |
| 12:31.04 | jackinson | jetscreamer: help please |
| 12:31.26 | aspWork | jetscreamer, should there be a = at the end? |
| 12:31.28 | jetscreamer | aspWork: you can use label, uuid, path... ls /dev/disk |
| 12:31.38 | aspWork | found the uuid |
| 12:31.39 | fireba11 | loca|host: shutdown -rF now ... also with read-only fsck i meant run fsck in check only-do mothing for real mode :_) |
| 12:31.41 | jetscreamer | not at the end of the uuid string |
| 12:31.48 | core1_ | Apr 30 06:25:02 host2 su[622]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 12:31.50 | aspWork | ok, ill give it a try then, brb |
| 12:31.50 | core1_ | Apr 30 06:25:02 host2 su[622]: (pam_unix) session opened for user nobody by (uid=0) |
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| 12:31.52 | core1_ | What does this mean ? |
| 12:32.01 | jetscreamer | root=UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc |
| 12:32.04 | jetscreamer | for example |
| 12:32.06 | xinuxx | i try install cupsys in my etch i get X11 depandency ! |
| 12:32.10 | xinuxx | why X11 |
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| 12:32.34 | xinuxx | ?? |
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| 12:32.54 | xinuxx | cupsys-common gs-common gs-esp libcupsimage2 libice6 libsm6 libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxt6 x11-common |
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| 12:33.15 | nn-laptop | made a Lot of changes just now to filebin.info check it out |
| 12:33.15 | xinuxx | to install cupsys need X11 ?? |
| 12:33.38 | jetscreamer | jackinson: did you try what liable said? [07.30.08] <liable> jackinson: just try 'apt-get dist-upgrade' in the terminal |
| 12:33.38 | jackinson | liable: I tried "apt-get dist-upgrade" this command and everything went successfully |
| 12:33.45 | jetscreamer | apt-get update first though |
| 12:33.49 | freakynl | heya, is there a file to setup additional routes (ie non-default routes)? or should i just create interface up rules and a script or something |
| 12:34.06 | jetscreamer | jackinson: apt-get install that kernel |
| 12:34.10 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I did that so too |
| 12:34.28 | liable | jackinson: good, during the install, did you get as far as giving a root password? |
| 12:34.32 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |grep 486 |
| 12:34.40 | jetscreamer | nm listen to liable |
| 12:34.41 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I did "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-4-486" |
| 12:34.51 | jetscreamer | k |
| 12:35.00 | XCute4God | I´m trying to use Debian 3.1 with my laptop HP DV6058cl (HP DV6000 series), the only way to boot is with NOAPIC kernel parameter, and when i use usb and ethernet, i´ve got a message "Disabling irq #7" ... and the devices stop working ;\ ... anyone can help me??? PLEASE! I WANT TO USE UBUNTU, no more XP ;'( |
| 12:35.23 | fireba11 | xinuxx: i'm on etch and i'm not getting any x11 stuff with it |
| 12:35.24 | jetscreamer | XCute4God: ok... /join #ubuntu |
| 12:35.24 | jackinson | jetscreamer: but the apt-get tells that "E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.18-4-486" |
| 12:35.25 | liable | XCute4God: erm, you want debian or ubuntu? |
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| 12:35.36 | jetscreamer | jackinson: answer liable, dude |
| 12:35.37 | liable | jackinson: install -686 |
| 12:35.39 | xinuxx | fireba11, wth cups package you use ? |
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| 12:35.42 | jackinson | jetscreamer: uname -r tells >> 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 12:35.46 | jetscreamer | [07.36.06] <liable> jackinson: good, during the install, did you get as far as giving a root password? |
| 12:35.55 | alexIdoia | say I have done a terrible mistake chown -R vmail.vmail /* , is there a possibility to undo this ? |
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| 12:36.07 | aspWork | jetscreamer, wols_ , same problem, but now it says it cant mount the device with the uuid string instead |
| 12:36.17 | fireba11 | jackinson : "cupsys" |
| 12:36.23 | XCute4God | liable: i prefer debian... |
| 12:36.25 | formorer | alexIdoia: backup |
| 12:36.31 | formorer | XCute4God: then first try 4.0 |
| 12:36.37 | alexIdoia | formorer, what backup ? |
| 12:36.37 | jackinson | liable: I tried "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-4-686", but same error message. |
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| 12:36.45 | omri | alexIdoia, did you stop it somewhen? |
| 12:36.46 | formorer | alexIdoia: then you have a problem |
| 12:36.59 | enouf | core1_: those are from cron.daily jobs .. check /var/log/auth logs |
| 12:37.00 | lancelot | good afternoon everybody |
| 12:37.00 | jackinson | fireball: "cupsys" command not found |
| 12:37.01 | jetscreamer | jackinson: it's not kernel-image anymore, only sarge has those |
| 12:37.02 | alexIdoia | yes I did straight after |
| 12:37.06 | fireba11 | jackinson: try apg-et install llinux-iamge-2.6-486 |
| 12:37.07 | alexIdoia | formorer, yes I did |
| 12:37.08 | lancelot | is there any way for splashy working on suspend/resume time on debian? |
| 12:37.17 | alexIdoia | omri, yes |
| 12:37.26 | omri | alexIdoia, check what directories it got to |
| 12:37.29 | core1_ | enouf: I dont think so, because for the cron jobs I have the following entries: Apr 30 01:20:01 host2 CRON[32329]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 12:37.37 | liable | jackinson: dont worry about that for now. try booting your install |
| 12:37.39 | omri | maybe you won't have much trouble restoring their ownership |
| 12:37.48 | tuvwx | why would icons ignore my gnome's notification area and show up in separate windows? |
| 12:37.49 | jetscreamer | aspWork: all i can think of then is you needed to compile something in and didn't... how's that initrd going btw |
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| 12:38.00 | jackinson | fireball: I did "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.486", result: .... is already the newest version. |
| 12:38.03 | aspWork | jetscreamer, this is without initrd |
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| 12:38.14 | freakynl | heya, is there a file to setup additional routes (ie non-default routes)? or should i just create interface up rules and a script or something |
| 12:38.14 | jetscreamer | aspWork: just checking |
| 12:38.16 | alexIdoia | omri, /bin /boot /cdrom /dev /etc/floppy |
| 12:38.26 | fireba11 | jackinson: what are you trying to do when it's already isntalled ? |
| 12:38.29 | omri | hmm |
| 12:38.30 | omri | sec :) |
| 12:38.32 | alexIdoia | omri, and stooped in /home |
| 12:38.33 | jetscreamer | man arp maybe |
| 12:38.36 | lancelot | is there any way for splashy working on suspend/resume time on debian? |
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| 12:38.40 | omri | well, /home is no hassle at all |
| 12:38.48 | alexIdoia | omri, yes I know |
| 12:38.51 | aspWork | perhaps i should just give it a rest, i mainly wanted to get rid of a boot message saying that libgcrypt couldn't stat the resume device file |
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| 12:38.52 | alexIdoia | /etc/ is right ? |
| 12:38.52 | omri | just cd /home |
| 12:38.53 | tenco | when iam trying to connect with vpnc i get the message: vpnc-connect: receiving packet: Message too long |
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| 12:39.03 | vorsprung | freakynl, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:39.03 | alexIdoia | omri, home is done |
| 12:39.05 | omri | oh wait |
| 12:39.06 | aspWork | apart from that this kernel is ok =) |
| 12:39.07 | omri | tell me |
| 12:39.12 | loca|host | fireba11, the fs is clean, no errors and still reporting incorrect disk space |
| 12:39.13 | omri | was it chown /* or chown -R /* ? |
| 12:39.24 | alexIdoia | om the -R was there |
| 12:39.27 | jackinson | liable: ok I try booting, but I do not see anything files other than /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:39.39 | tenco | whats wrong? is a message from the vpn server iam trying to connect to too long? |
| 12:39.42 | alexIdoia | omri, I did it recursively |
| 12:39.47 | fireba11 | loca|host: then give me details how you view disk space |
| 12:39.58 | vorsprung | freakynl, at the end of the section for the interface you are interested in add a line like post-up /sbin/route add default gw 10.0.0.2 metric 1 |
| 12:40.00 | omri | just a second |
| 12:40.02 | lancelot | is there any way for splashy working on suspend/resume time on debian? |
| 12:40.07 | alexIdoia | omri, ok |
| 12:40.17 | freakynl | vorsprung: not a default gw |
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| 12:40.23 | liable | jackinson: i dont understand, you saying thats all there is in /boot? |
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| 12:40.43 | jackinson | liable: yes |
| 12:40.44 | alexIdoia | omri, I have another system I could check the perm file by file to find but what an hassle |
| 12:40.47 | jetscreamer | or boot/grub? |
| 12:40.52 | freakynl | vorsprung: and quite a lot too :) but there's no 'official' way thus? if so i'll just write a script and attach it to the interface indeed |
| 12:40.54 | omri | alexIdoia, you can make a script |
| 12:41.00 | loca|host | fireba11, du -hs /home/salmouta/ => 11G /home/salmouta/ |
| 12:41.11 | alexIdoia | omri, yes but I am not that good in bash |
| 12:41.17 | mfrisch | I have a friend who used ntfs and borked the file system. When I open lde it shows something there but I can't get it to dump stuff correctly. Is there a automated recovery cd??? |
| 12:41.28 | omri | look, /boot is simple I guess, let me check |
| 12:41.33 | loca|host | fireba11, du -hs /home/salmouta/* => no folders containing that 11G ! |
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| 12:41.34 | jackinson | liable: if I try "grub-install /dev/hda", I get "/dev/mapper/debian-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive" |
| 12:41.42 | omri | just a min though, finishing something first |
| 12:41.45 | Appiah | tried chkdsk mrew ? |
| 12:41.48 | loca|host | fireba11, it's a sum of some 5Gigs |
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| 12:42.02 | vorsprung | freakynl, you might like to look at a proper router prject like zebra |
| 12:42.02 | lancelot | is there any way for splashy working on suspend/resume time on debian? |
| 12:42.10 | alexIdoia | omri, yes boot and bin |
| 12:42.12 | liable | jackinson: ok. run grub in ineteractive mode |
| 12:42.14 | mfrisch | Appiah: is that to me>? |
| 12:42.19 | alexIdoia | I guess I will have troubles with /etc |
| 12:42.27 | jetscreamer | that meant catch a grubshell btw |
| 12:42.59 | omri | /bin is all root for me |
| 12:43.04 | omri | root:root that is |
| 12:43.12 | wols_ | does the kernel log anything to your kern.log file? |
| 12:43.12 | jackinson | liable: ok, I entered "grub", and it is now "probind devices to gues bIOS drives. this may take a long time." |
| 12:43.17 | omri | /boot as well |
| 12:43.18 | liable | jackinson: grub; root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); quit; reboot |
| 12:43.18 | wols_ | before it crashes? |
| 12:43.36 | jackinson | liable: ok i shall do so. |
| 12:43.39 | freakynl | vorsprung: i'll look at it, it's just static routing tho' don't need much else. thx tho' |
| 12:43.41 | enouf | core1_: did you check what's listed in your /etc/cron.* logs? .. many times, it runs updatedb and others as user nobody |
| 12:43.49 | fireba11 | loca|host: thats extremely wired |
| 12:43.50 | omri | alexIdoia, about /etc, I would write a script |
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| 12:44.00 | enouf | er cron.* files |
| 12:44.05 | wols_ | aspWork: can you paste your .config? |
| 12:44.15 | aspWork | wols_, sure |
| 12:44.24 | alexIdoia | omri, I guess I am gonna have to |
| 12:44.34 | vorsprung | freakynl, if it's just a bit of static routing then I guess putting a few extra lines in /etc/network/interfaces is all that's required |
| 12:44.35 | omri | that's not so much trouble |
| 12:44.43 | alexIdoia | pff yeah |
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| 12:45.05 | alexIdoia | omri, I don't know bach I am gonna have to ask the help of someone |
| 12:45.08 | jackinson | liable: I get "Error opening terminal: bterm" |
| 12:45.27 | jackinson | libale: what to do? As I could not get prompt in GRUB, I could not enter the given commands. |
| 12:45.41 | mfrisch | wols_: no anything about data recovery?? |
| 12:45.45 | enouf | wols_: i wonder if aspWork linked /usr/src/linux/.config to /boot/config-xxxx prior to running oldconfig, or am i brainfarting again? |
| 12:45.59 | jetscreamer | jackinson: when you boot your system, hit c when you see grub |
| 12:46.12 | liable | he cant boot yet i dont think |
| 12:46.13 | wols_ | alexIdoia: all you need is a .config in your source tree to run oldconfig |
| 12:46.20 | aspWork | enouf, i copied it |
| 12:46.23 | aspWork | wols_, http://paste2.org/p/2946 |
| 12:46.24 | wols_ | the kernel itself doesn't know or care about /boot config files |
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| 12:46.34 | enouf | aspWork: ok |
| 12:46.36 | jackinson | jetscreamer: I do not get GRUB menu, that is the problem. and I am trying to install. |
| 12:46.40 | fireba11 | loca|host: i can't imagine a couse except corrupt filesystem for that |
| 12:46.48 | alexIdoia | wols_ excuse me ? |
| 12:47.10 | liable | jackinson: google that one, i remember it, but i dont know the fix |
| 12:47.10 | omri | alexIdoia, find /etc -type f -printf 'chown %u:%g %p\n' |
| 12:47.10 | jetscreamer | ah ok nm |
| 12:47.12 | xinuxx | fireba11, cupsys need gs-esp, and gs-esp need X11 ! |
| 12:47.13 | omri | on the other debian install you've got |
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| 12:47.24 | xinuxx | http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/cupsys |
| 12:47.31 | MalMen | hi, how to install firefox on debian? i wont iceweasel |
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| 12:47.35 | omri | alexIdoia, you will get a list of commands to execute on the bad system |
| 12:47.44 | enouf | jackinson: chrrot install grub then maybe? |
| 12:47.47 | mfrisch | MalMen: use iceweasel |
| 12:47.48 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 12:47.50 | jetscreamer | MalMen: you could d/l the .bin from mozilla.com |
| 12:47.50 | enouf | er chroot |
| 12:47.53 | wols_ | heh. paste2 has a limit. can#t fit the whole .config |
| 12:47.56 | jetscreamer | or just use iceweasel |
| 12:47.57 | Ronin | MalMen: in debian its now called iceweasel |
| 12:47.57 | xinuxx | fuck firefox ! |
| 12:48.06 | jackinson | enouf: ok, I shall try |
| 12:48.06 | enouf | jackinson: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 12:48.27 | alexIdoia | omri, not recursively though right ? |
| 12:48.34 | omri | you'll get lines like |
| 12:48.40 | omri | chown root:root /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:48.40 | omri | chown root:root /etc/modules.conf |
| 12:48.42 | xinuxx | MalMen, use Epiphany-browser |
| 12:48.44 | omri | they're commands for them selves |
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| 12:49.01 | alexIdoia | omri, yes I get them I put them in a file with > file.txt |
| 12:49.13 | jetscreamer | real men have grub floppies (or usb sticks) |
| 12:49.14 | omri | so you can source file.txt on that other box |
| 12:49.14 | alexIdoia | ah yes you are right |
| 12:49.21 | alexIdoia | thanks |
| 12:49.21 | omri | on a second thought, remove that -type f |
| 12:49.26 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 12:49.27 | omri | you'll want to change the permissions of dirs as well |
| 12:49.32 | alexIdoia | what was it for ? |
| 12:49.36 | enouf | livecds are so much more available ;-) |
| 12:49.37 | xinuxx | any idea howto install cupsys without X11 ?? |
| 12:49.37 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 12:49.44 | omri | that was for filtering the matches to just files |
| 12:49.47 | freakynl | vorsprung: thx :) |
| 12:49.57 | enouf | more PCs boot off CD, than do usb |
| 12:50.12 | omri | alexIdoia, good luck, I've gtg now, bye bye |
| 12:50.25 | tarzeau | should someone want to test it http://zattoo.com/downloadlinux |
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| 12:50.52 | alexIdoia | omri, thanks a lot |
| 12:50.58 | liable | jackinson: try export TERM=linux |
| 12:51.07 | liable | jackinson: then run grub again |
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| 12:51.45 | ofir | hi |
| 12:51.45 | xinuxx | possible cupsys in Debian etch without X11 ? |
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| 12:51.56 | ofir | my suspend dont resume :( |
| 12:52.04 | liable | xinuxx: why not? |
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| 12:52.12 | ofir | (it keeps having a blank screen) |
| 12:52.16 | jackinson | liable: trying..... |
| 12:52.24 | ofir | anyone know this problem? |
| 12:52.34 | xinuxx | liable, cupsys need gs-esp |
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| 12:52.46 | johnmatrix | yeah well when I was a little guy, i always wanted to go up into space, be a space-man. but you gotta be able to see really fuckin' good to do that job. some guy would take one look at me and say... 'uhhh, sorry sir, you gotta be able to see a little better than you'... i don't give a fuck |
| 12:52.47 | xinuxx | gs-esp, need X11 :/ |
| 12:53.01 | Ronin | pardon johnmatrix ? |
| 12:53.06 | liable | hah |
| 12:53.19 | liable | where the fuck did *that* come from? |
| 12:53.41 | jackinson | something happend. I entered "exit" and I got menus, and selected a menu (contains "installer" word), and then I typed "grub-installer" I got the GRUB installation process was going but finally failed. |
| 12:54.23 | johnmatrix | oops |
| 12:54.25 | johnmatrix | wrong window |
| 12:54.38 | jetscreamer | it's grub-install not grub-installer |
| 12:54.38 | liable | !pal johnmatrix |
| 12:54.41 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 for instance |
| 12:54.53 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 12:54.57 | fireba11 | xinuxx : only some basic x11-common stuff .. several programs still need those |
| 12:54.58 | enouf | grub-install /dev/hdX |
| 12:55.29 | enouf | failed anyway .. :-/ |
| 12:55.31 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 12:56.07 | xinuxx | fireba11, is not good :/ |
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| 12:56.49 | jackinson | liable: I got GRUB prompt, and entered the commands previously said, but it was not seesm to be accepting. and finally quit and checked whether files are installed under /boot directory. but still nothing. |
| 12:56.52 | aspWork | wols_, did it make any sense? |
| 12:57.39 | jackinson | jetscreamer: yes, I typed "grub-install /dev/hda", "grub-install hd0" everything |
| 12:57.54 | wols_ | was far as I could see everything needed is in |
| 12:58.00 | aspWork | strange |
| 12:58.02 | jackinson | jetscreamer: only reply is "/dev/mapper/debian-root does not have any coressponding BIOS drive" |
| 12:58.03 | wols_ | are you sure it's a sata disk? |
| 12:58.08 | buscon | HI, how can I edit files with ftp shell? |
| 12:58.17 | aspWork | thats what hp told me, let me check with our tech guys |
| 12:58.20 | wols_ | but then, with 2.6.20 onwards prtty much all disks should be sata |
| 12:58.21 | jackinson | wols_: not it is not SATA disk. |
| 12:58.24 | wols_ | erm, sda |
| 12:58.44 | aspWork | it is mounted as sda right now so |
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| 12:59.09 | dmilith | jackinson: what you have in /boot/grub/device.map ? |
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| 12:59.14 | aspWork | and dmesg has achi as a scasi drive |
| 12:59.19 | aspWork | and i cant spell =) |
| 12:59.30 | liable | jackinson: ok. so dpkg -l|grep kernel-image says you have the -486 kernel installed? |
| 12:59.32 | Radon_8472 | hello |
| 12:59.39 | jackinson | (fd0) /dev/fd0 |
| 12:59.47 | jackinson | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 12:59.51 | liable | jackinson: uname -r will show the running kernel which is the cd's kernel |
| 12:59.55 | jackinson | dmilith: that is all. |
| 13:00.06 | liable | jackinson: linux-image i meant |
| 13:00.08 | dmilith | jackinson: grub-install hd0 ? |
| 13:00.24 | jackinson | liable: that command did not list anything. |
| 13:00.28 | liable | no vmlinuz's in boot is bad |
| 13:00.36 | jackinson | uname -r : 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 13:00.55 | liable | jackinson: do you have a sources.list file in /etc/apt? |
| 13:00.58 | Radon_8472 | i*ve got a problem with debian apache and php, does enobody have experience whith this stuff ? |
| 13:01.20 | jackinson | liable: I got for command "dpkg -l | grep linux-image". two lines. |
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| 13:01.42 | jackinson | liable: linux-image-2.6-486 2.6.18+6 Linux kernel 2.6 image on x86 |
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| 13:01.58 | Radon_8472 | :( is anyboda talking to me ? |
| 13:02.08 | Radon_8472 | anybody i mean |
| 13:02.09 | jackinson | liable: linux -image-2.6.18-4-486 2.6.18-dfsg.1-12 Linux 2.6.18 image on x86 |
| 13:02.19 | aspWork | Radon_8472, ask your question and you'll get help if it is available |
| 13:02.27 | Radon_8472 | okay |
| 13:02.39 | liable | jackinson: is your /boot on its own partiton? |
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| 13:02.46 | Radon_8472 | ive got an apache2 and tried to install php5 |
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| 13:02.56 | fuzzy_logic | jow bas |
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| 13:03.03 | jackinson | liable: yes, I have /etc/apt/source.list file |
| 13:03.29 | Radon_8472 | but now when i want to start my apache a "libc-client.so" is missing |
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| 13:03.35 | SlayerXP | Radon_8472: he said "ask your question", not "tell me your life story" |
| 13:03.48 | jackinson | liable: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:03.55 | jackinson | liable: /dev/hda1 ....... Linux |
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| 13:03.57 | jazbo2185 | What's the correct place to put commands that I want to run during startup of the computer? |
| 13:04.04 | jackinson | liable: /dev/hda2 ........... Extended |
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| 13:04.09 | Radon_8472 | LOL, sorry, i must tranlate in english, i don`t think german would be could here |
| 13:04.13 | jackinson | liable: /dev/hda5 ......... Linux LVM |
| 13:04.24 | jackinson | liable: that is all. |
| 13:04.33 | aspWork | Radon_8472, how did you "install php5" |
| 13:04.34 | liable | jackinson: ohnos, you made a lvm during install? |
| 13:04.34 | jackinson | liable: I have only one hard disk 80 GB |
| 13:04.41 | jackinson | liable: yes |
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| 13:04.44 | Radon_8472 | apt-get install php5 |
| 13:04.46 | sohmestra | jazbo2185: when the computer starts up, or when you log in? |
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| 13:05.01 | jackinson | liable: what is wrong with it. |
| 13:05.07 | jazbo2185 | sohmestra: actually I'd be interested in both |
| 13:05.19 | dmilith | jackinson: use /etc/init.d/skeleton to make your own start script, put it somewhere.. eg /usr/local/scripts and add some lines of your code to that script.. then make symlinks to rcX.d where X is runlevel which you start on |
| 13:05.21 | jackinson | liable: I used LVM in Fedora 5 well previouls. |
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| 13:05.38 | ofir | anyone knows about suspend problems on a new install? |
| 13:05.39 | liable | jackinson: nothing, except i have never used lvm, and know nothing about debugging problems with it |
| 13:06.03 | sohmestra | jazbo2185: well, system startup scripts go in /etc/init.d/ generally |
| 13:06.08 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 13:06.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:06.13 | Radon_8472 | @ aspWork: after this my php module was removed from my apache, and i manually moved it back to the "modules-enabled" - folder |
| 13:06.32 | sohmestra | jazbo2185: use update-rc.d to determine the order in which your script gets run |
| 13:06.36 | liable | jackinson: and if /boot is on your lvm, then grub wont like it, you have to use lilo iirc |
| 13:06.50 | ofir | zamuro: was that to me? |
| 13:07.04 | aspWork | Radon_8472, have you installed the right package, is it for apache or apache2? you shouldn't have to to modules-enabled, since the installer should do that |
| 13:07.15 | jackinson | liable: /boot is not in LVM |
| 13:07.18 | sohmestra | jazbo2185: for shell logins (bash), edit .bash_profile &/|| .bashrc |
| 13:07.41 | sohmestra | jazbo2185: for desktop sessions, see the appropriate session manager. |
| 13:07.44 | jackinson | liable: /boot is in /dev/hda1, and it is in 248976 blocks area only. |
| 13:07.52 | jazbo2185 | sohmestra: ah cool thank you |
| 13:07.52 | Radon_8472 | aspWork: its for apache2, and ist the only one php module which is loadet |
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| 13:09.06 | tenco | how can i comment on a bugreport on bugs.debian.org? |
| 13:09.06 | aspWork | Radon_8472, and it installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:09.13 | jackinson | dmilith: I am sorry, I do not know how to do these steps. |
| 13:09.13 | ofir | test |
| 13:09.34 | Radon_8472 | aspWork:: no, its called "libphp5.so" |
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| 13:09.47 | aspWork | i am talking about the debian package |
| 13:09.59 | snirks | hi all :) i was just wondering, where does uname (-r) pull its information from? |
| 13:10.03 | reed[] | hello. every time i install a "linux-image" package it won't boot, I have to compile my own. The kernel panics with a message like "vfs: unable to mount root filesystem on unknown-block(3,2)". It's a completely standard IDE disk, the root partition is /dev/hda2 (and that's what I use for root= in lilo conf). Any ideas? |
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| 13:10.13 | liable | jackinson: ok, has the cd mounted hda1? mkdir /fooboot; mount /dev/sda1 /fooboot |
| 13:10.14 | dmilith | jackinson: you could even make a normal empty file, with header: #!/bin/bash and put your commands there.. |
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| 13:11.00 | liable | tenco: with reportbug package |
| 13:11.02 | jackinson | jackinson: yes |
| 13:11.07 | jackinson | liable: yes |
| 13:11.14 | Radon_8472 | @aspWork: i don`t know excactly |
| 13:11.22 | aspWork | Radon_8472, type apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:11.29 | liable | jackinson: so hda1 is mounted to /boot? |
| 13:11.29 | aspWork | and it will tell you |
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| 13:11.51 | jackinson | liable: mount command tells, I must specify filesystem type |
| 13:12.13 | jackinson | dmilith: I shall do your steps finally as it is very big |
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| 13:12.18 | Radon_8472 | @aspWork: apt-get can`t find this |
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| 13:12.24 | Radon_8472 | E: Konnte Paket libappache2-mod-php5 nicht finden |
| 13:12.29 | core1_ | apache |
| 13:12.31 | core1_ | nicht appache |
| 13:12.33 | aspWork | strange |
| 13:12.38 | aspWork | right |
| 13:12.41 | Radon_8472 | oh, sorry |
| 13:12.52 | liable | jackinson: thats usually not good. you used ext3? |
| 13:13.07 | jackinson | dmilith: but I do not know much about Xterm |
| 13:13.16 | dmilith | jackinson: you don't need to |
| 13:13.18 | core1_ | sudo apt-cache search php5 |
| 13:13.56 | jackinson | liable: I did not myself select, I chose only GUIDED menus. so installation automatically decided the partitions and filssytem. |
| 13:14.02 | Radon_8472 | apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 returnet a errorcode 1 |
| 13:14.16 | Radon_8472 | core_t: I`m already root |
| 13:14.35 | liable | jackinson: mount /dev/sda1 -t ext3 /fooboot |
| 13:15.04 | jackinson | liable: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 13:15.13 | jackinson | liable: may I try /dev/hda1 |
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| 13:15.27 | liable | jackinson: yeah, sorry, i dunno why i typed sda1 |
| 13:15.42 | tenco | liable: sorry, i can't see how i can attach a comment to an existing bug. this bug has already been reported and put on hold since the reporter got rid of this problem through new hardware. although, reportbug seems to need a configured mta... |
| 13:16.01 | jackinson | liable: yes, I got it |
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| 13:16.26 | jackinson | liable: I see everything files for booting , except grub folder and menus |
| 13:16.33 | liable | tenco: you can put in the bug number and add comments, you can set an isp email address in the conf too |
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| 13:16.54 | liable | jackinson: ok, umount it from fooboot, and remount to /boot |
| 13:17.02 | jackinson | ls /fooboot/ listss: System.map-2.6.18-4-486, initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486 config-2.6.18-4-486 and lost+found. |
| 13:18.06 | tenco | liable: ah, ok. thanks. i will try this :) |
| 13:18.25 | jetscreamer | oh he has a split partition schema?? |
| 13:18.33 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 13:18.36 | tarzeau | why does esdplay suck so much? |
| 13:18.39 | liable | yah, /boot on hda1 and lvm |
| 13:18.41 | jackinson | liable: I now unmounted and mounted /dev/hda1 => /boot and trying again "grub-install /dev/hda1", hope it will work. |
| 13:18.55 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 13:19.04 | webmind | hello |
| 13:19.05 | jetscreamer | /dev/hda isn't it? |
| 13:19.07 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 13:19.09 | ofir | can i do something so the hard disk will not be used? |
| 13:19.12 | jackinson | jetscreamer: still probing.... |
| 13:19.17 | ofir | or used less |
| 13:19.22 | jackinson | jetscreamer: yes; |
| 13:19.44 | webmind | I'm running debian stable.. and I want to install mysql4.1 (since mysql5 breaks the web-application) |
| 13:19.50 | webmind | can anyone tell me how ? |
| 13:19.51 | jetscreamer | i mean grub-install /dev/hda1 vs grub-install /dev/hda |
| 13:20.10 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 13:20.34 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 13:20.34 | jackinson | jetscreamer & liable: Searching for GRUMB installation directory .... found: /boot/grub |
| 13:20.34 | jetscreamer | webmind: ^^ |
| 13:20.39 | liable | 4.1 is in stable |
| 13:20.42 | liable | so is 5 |
| 13:20.49 | jackinson | but still program seems to be running.... |
| 13:20.51 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 13:20.54 | webmind | liable, 4.1 is a transistional package |
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| 13:21.56 | abrotman | webmind: you could try to install the 4.1 packages from sarge and then place them on hold |
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| 13:22.14 | webmind | I guess |
| 13:22.22 | jetscreamer | i was thinking add sarge sources and pin for 4.1 |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | or that |
| 13:22.39 | abrotman | webmind: or fix the damn webapp :) |
| 13:22.47 | liable | heh, backwards pinning :) |
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| 13:23.01 | webmind | but I don't really understand why 4.1 is a transistional package, since 5 is not backwards compatible |
| 13:23.16 | webmind | abrotman, I'm no php developer, and the devver claim it quite the lot of work |
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| 13:23.35 | jetscreamer | transitional because it's transiting to 5, not to be compatible |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | webmind: then they're bad webdevs :) |
| 13:24.10 | jackinson | jetscreamer & liable: still waiting for the last command to end....... does it take such much longer time?? |
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| 13:24.28 | jetscreamer | jackinson: afaik it should have been done in 3-5 seconds |
| 13:24.36 | liable | jackinson: it can take a while sometimes, but usually not that long |
| 13:24.44 | webmind | abrotman, sure.. but our app is not going to be the only one |
| 13:24.45 | liable | jackinson: try it in interactive mode |
| 13:24.50 | jackinson | liable: ok |
| 13:24.56 | webmind | abrotman, and still.. blindly upgrading between incompatible versions ? |
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| 13:25.05 | jetscreamer | did you grub-install /dev/hda, or /dev/hda1 |
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| 13:25.25 | irule | how can I give ZAP/2 a different s [default] than ZAP/1? |
| 13:25.43 | jackinson | jetscreamer: yes, that was the last command |
| 13:25.54 | EmleyMoor | irule: Put it in a different context |
| 13:26.07 | jetscreamer | jackinson: which was, though |
| 13:26.10 | irule | EmleyMoor thanks |
| 13:26.14 | jetscreamer | i listed 2 possibilities |
| 13:26.31 | jackinson | last command was: grub-install /dev/hda1 |
| 13:26.36 | abrotman | webmind: bah .. sounds like a great way to spend a sunday :) |
| 13:26.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 13:26.54 | jackinson | jetscreamer: as it was not eninding, Ctrl+C and now "grub /dev/hda1" |
| 13:26.56 | jetscreamer | time 4 werk |
| 13:27.05 | abrotman | HI HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:27.06 | jackinson | jetscreamer: still probing for this command |
| 13:27.08 | webmind | abrotman, right |
| 13:27.10 | abrotman | HI HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
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| 13:27.25 | jhasse | How can i add my own dependencies when using dh-make making a debian package? |
| 13:27.25 | jetscreamer | yep off 2werkeyego |
| 13:27.35 | abrotman | webmind: or you could continue to use sarge .. it shuld have security ofr a year or so |
| 13:27.42 | abrotman | webmind: and in that time .. they can fix their application |
| 13:27.50 | jackinson | liable: sorry, command end with "Error opening terminal: bterm" |
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| 13:28.24 | liable | jackinson: did you do try the export thing again |
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| 13:29.02 | jackinson | liable: ok I try again |
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| 13:30.50 | bony | is there a way of making a bunch of images into a pdf? |
| 13:31.15 | cahoot | bony: imagemagick has tools fpr that |
| 13:31.54 | cahoot | like montage |
| 13:32.06 | bony | cahoot, fpr?? |
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| 13:32.29 | cahoot | typo for for |
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| 13:34.03 | jackinson | liable: I got the same problem, you know if I press just Enter key, I do not get the next prompt. If I type the command, I get the result at the same line where I entered the command. |
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| 13:34.14 | jackinson | liable: seems to be not working properly as before. |
| 13:34.56 | jackinson | liable and jetscreamer: I just now searched the /boot folder |
| 13:34.56 | irule | what is the format for the sound files? |
| 13:35.09 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: I see all files, including stage1 and stage2 |
| 13:35.14 | liable | jackinson: now /boot is mounted, try reinstalling grub |
| 13:35.21 | cahoot | irule: lots to choose from |
| 13:35.36 | liable | jackinson: i am about out of ideas |
| 13:35.47 | jackinson | liable: no problem. |
| 13:36.03 | jackinson | liable: as you said, I typed again the command and waiting for "grub-install /dev/hda1" ..... |
| 13:36.20 | jackinson | liable: and then I think I check by rebooting. |
| 13:36.29 | liable | jackinson: i think the correct syntax for grub-install is just /dev/hda |
| 13:36.51 | jackinson | liable: ok, I stop and type so. |
| 13:37.06 | fuzzy_logic | how can i get a list of used ports and change them?? plz help :) |
| 13:37.11 | liable | its been a long time since i had to fix grub, and i use the grub shell anyway |
| 13:37.44 | liable | fuzzy_logic: we told you. netstat shows them, the conf file for the relevent daemon will change it |
| 13:38.33 | jackinson | liable: no problem. you all helped me. |
| 13:38.35 | fuzzy_logic | liable: i told you that netstat doesn't show me the ports for some reason.. wait a sec ill pastebin the output |
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| 13:38.59 | cahoot | irule: what do you want to achieve? |
| 13:39.01 | liable | fuzzy_logic: i must have missed that comment. 'netstat -plunt' will show servers |
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| 13:39.36 | fuzzy_logic | liable: http://paste.debian.net/27005 |
| 13:39.36 | raf256 | is there something like vncview but a bit more advanced gui? perhaps allowing to resize the viewer window etc |
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| 13:41.17 | liable | fuzzy_logic: see my previous |
| 13:41.37 | fuzzy_logic | liable: ok will try that |
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| 13:42.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i made another font package :) |
| 13:42.25 | irule | cahoot just add some sounds to /var/lib/asterisk/sounds for my little ivr |
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| 13:43.10 | xeihin | ho wanna windows die? |
| 13:43.19 | cahoot | irule: the asterisk docs doesn't specify thetype of file it wants? |
| 13:43.21 | fuzzy_logic | liable: http://paste.debian.net/27006 does that mean that smtp isn't running at all? |
| 13:43.50 | SachaS | is there a debian meta package that installs and configures an x server? |
| 13:43.50 | irule | cahoot not the book |
| 13:44.01 | SachaS | seems xfce4 does not install and configure xorg |
| 13:44.42 | liable | fuzzy_logic: exim4 is running |
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| 13:45.37 | tarzeau | SachaS: yes, why should it? |
| 13:45.42 | cahoot | irule: this seems to be on the subject: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Convert+WAV+audio+files+for+use+in+Asterisk |
| 13:45.42 | tarzeau | SachaS: x-window-system-core ? |
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| 13:46.04 | tarzeau | !remote x |
| 13:46.04 | dpkg | methinks remote x is on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 13:46.14 | SachaS | hi tarzeau :_) thanks. got a plain empty debian system and need to setup some graphical desktop. |
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| 13:46.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: fonts suck! |
| 13:46.43 | SachaS | tarzeau: I was thinking a dependency of xfce4 would be a X server ... |
| 13:46.47 | fuzzy_logic | liable: i have once seen my stephfather editing a file with all ports in it.. and i don't think that that was the config file of exim.. where else could i possibly change the ports that are being used?? i think that the config file of exim is /etc/exim4/exim4-update.conf.conf, but that doesn't say anything about ports |
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| 13:47.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: these are great: http://www.greekfontsociety.org/pages/en_typefaces20th.html |
| 13:47.40 | reed[] | hello. every time i install a "linux-image" package it won't boot, I have to compile my own. The kernel panics with a message like "vfs: unable to mount root filesystem on unknown-block(3,2)". It's a completely standard IDE disk, the root partition is /dev/hda2 (and that's what I use for root= in lilo conf). Any ideas? |
| 13:47.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. okay |
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| 13:48.23 | tarzeau | reed[]: you forget the fs or disk controller drivers (not just modules of them) |
| 13:48.35 | ofir | what do I need inorder that suspend will work right? |
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| 13:49.02 | liable | fuzzy_logic: as i said, i dont know |
| 13:49.17 | liable | exims config should be shot |
| 13:49.25 | tarzeau | SachaS: really it's not so |
| 13:49.27 | xerophyte | I have long running script, if i run the script like perl script_name.pl & and logout of the shell will it finish ? how can i run a script even i logout of the shell? |
| 13:49.43 | tarzeau | SachaS: one can a window manager on one computer and x on another |
| 13:49.59 | fuzzy_logic | liable: you said you try to avoid exim as much as possible.. what other alternative would you sugges? |
| 13:50.14 | liable | fuzzy_logic: postfix |
| 13:50.34 | SachaS | tarzeau ... true |
| 13:50.45 | reed[] | tarzeau, sorry, i don't understand that. |
| 13:50.58 | fuzzy_logic | liable: is it easy to use? maybe works out of the box? |
| 13:51.35 | liable | fuzzy_logic: i know one thing, its conf file doesnt make you want to kill yourself so badly |
| 13:51.43 | reed[] | tarzeau, i'm pretty sure that the kernel images in the linux-image-2.6-k7 package has at least ext2 and ide enabled. |
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| 13:51.51 | reed[] | if not, there's something terribly wrong with them. |
| 13:51.55 | fuzzy_logic | liable: thanks will try that one.. |
| 13:52.13 | tarzeau | reed[]: debian kernels have initrd |
| 13:52.20 | tarzeau | reed[]: aren't you talking about your own kernels? |
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| 13:52.29 | reed[] | Yes. Those work. The debian ones don't work. |
| 13:52.42 | reed[] | Otherwise I wouldn't be bothering you about it here in #debian :) |
| 13:52.47 | tarzeau | reed[]: ah i see, and what disk controller is it? which debian? |
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| 13:52.56 | tarzeau | reed[]: which own version of the kernel? built how? |
| 13:54.31 | reed[] | Um, I downloaded 2.6.21-1 from kernel.org and built it. That worked. 2.6.20-1-k7 package won't boot. It's debian unstable, last updated a while ago though, I'm doing an upgrade currently (it's at home on a slow dialup, so it will take all day probably) |
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| 13:55.19 | reed[] | Oops, not 2.6.20, 2.6.18. |
| 13:55.37 | MalMen | how can i add applications to gnome menu ? |
| 13:55.51 | reed[] | Disk controller? I dunno, IDE on a via motherboard. |
| 13:56.14 | reed[] | MalMen, there's a program called alacarte that can be used to edit the menu. |
| 13:56.18 | ston | hey.when i type 'tar -jcvf archive my_file' i get .gz file. how to make tar.gz file?? |
| 13:56.23 | tarzeau | reed[]: try comparing your kernel config file with the one of debian? |
| 13:56.36 | tarzeau | ston: say archive.tar.gz ? |
| 13:56.43 | ston | yes |
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| 13:57.09 | sandman | So, I'd like to help develop Debian. I've read some books and taken some introductory courses (but will not continue with this, as I've been rather displeased with paid education as of late) |
| 13:57.30 | liable | !nmg |
| 13:57.31 | dpkg | methinks nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 13:57.31 | tarzeau | sandman: how would you like to help? |
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| 13:57.35 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: last command execution still running so far. It is frustrating. May I press Ctrl+C and check by rebooting??? |
| 13:57.51 | reed[] | ok |
| 13:57.52 | liable | jackinson: yes, its not gonna work if it hasnt now |
| 13:57.52 | sandman | ~/scroll end |
| 13:58.07 | johnseb | hi |
| 13:58.09 | sandman | oops |
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| 13:58.13 | liable | jackinson: i doubt you have successfully gotten grub into your mbr though |
| 13:58.13 | Plouj | humm |
| 13:58.17 | sandman | tarzeau: Develop things. |
| 13:58.25 | xeihin | hi friends, I have a wordpressMu with exim4 |
| 13:58.28 | sandman | Patches to force packages into compliance with LFS, etc |
| 13:58.29 | Ronin | what things exactly sandman ? |
| 13:58.30 | johnseb | i need my PC to run an installation in a gallery for several weeks |
| 13:58.30 | johnseb | all day long |
| 13:58.32 | Ronin | ahh |
| 13:58.34 | xeihin | but when I create a blog it say this http://rafb.net/p/qBnYEZ40.html |
| 13:58.34 | sandman | Maintain packages, what-not |
| 13:58.38 | reed[] | I've had issues with devfs in the past (and when i built my 2.6.10 kernel i specifically disabled devfs). would that affect how the kernel tries to load the root partition? |
| 13:58.38 | Plouj | for some reason even after I enable X11 forwarding in putty and after I ssh into my debian server echo $DISPLAY is blank ... |
| 13:58.38 | xeihin | can some one help me with exim? |
| 13:58.47 | tarzeau | sandman: for which software? |
| 13:58.48 | sandman | However I've never really done it before, let alone any _real_ programming |
| 13:58.54 | sandman | tarzeau: Something small. |
| 13:58.54 | Plouj | I wonder if $DISPLAY because of some mis-configuration on my debian server |
| 13:58.55 | sandman | Easy |
| 13:58.55 | RvGaTe | I've got a problem with creating directories using different methods... when i create a directory using ssh, it gets the permissions (drwxr-xr-x), when i create a directory using shares it gets (drwxrwxr-x), and when i create a directory using ftp, it gets (drwx------).... this really anoyes me, especially when im trying to work with websites (~/public_html)... how can i make sure all different methods create directories with the same permissio |
| 13:58.55 | RvGaTe | ns? |
| 13:58.56 | sandman | Not sure yet. |
| 13:59.06 | johnseb | in the past i had problems with such an installation cause the energy savers was always popping |
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| 13:59.11 | tarzeau | sandman: well find out which software, get the source package, write a patch and submit it to the BTS? |
| 13:59.11 | johnseb | turning the screen blank |
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| 13:59.32 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: no problem. I shall continue tomorrow, if the problem persist, as office time is over in India today. A lot of thanks to you. Good night! |
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| 13:59.37 | RvGaTe | exit |
| 13:59.38 | sandman | tarzeau: The patch I think I know how to make using diff.. getting sources is done via apt-get source <somepackage> |
| 13:59.41 | reed[] | sandman, a good way is to find some bugs in the bug system for packages you're interested in improving and submit fixes for them. |
| 13:59.43 | xeihin | join #wordpress |
| 13:59.45 | sandman | submitting it to the BTS I'm not familiar with, though |
| 13:59.48 | johnseb | i'd like to know how can I make sure my debian pc does not switches off (blank screen) for enery saving during the presentation |
| 13:59.49 | tarzeau | sandman: great, and how to use reportbug? |
| 13:59.50 | liable | jackinson: good luck |
| 13:59.54 | tarzeau | !bts |
| 13:59.54 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:00.22 | sandman | tarzeau: I'm aware of it, although I've never used it. Is that what I'm looking for? |
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| 14:00.49 | tarzeau | sandman: i think so, yes |
| 14:00.55 | sandman | Okie, I'll check the info page. |
| 14:01.09 | sandman | Bare with me for the delays, BTW: I'm at work, and I do help desk. |
| 14:01.17 | sandman | I probably shouldn't even be on IRC, but anyway... |
| 14:02.23 | xeihin | can some one help me with exim4? I get this http://rafb.net/p/qBnYEZ40.html |
| 14:02.55 | sandman | brb |
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| 14:03.19 | MalMen | reed[] thanks, working, another question, how to change the "foot of gnome" of Application menu ? |
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| 14:04.12 | reed[] | You mean the icon? |
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| 14:05.31 | MalMen | reed[] yes |
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| 14:06.51 | reed[] | I'm not sure. It might be loading an image from a place like /usr/share/pixmaps, but chancging those might affect other applications, and it would be reverted in an upgrade. |
| 14:07.11 | MalMen | hmmm |
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| 14:07.52 | reed[] | oops. |
| 14:08.04 | reed[] | MalMen, you can also get the source package and change the image and rebuild the debian package etc. etc. |
| 14:08.31 | abrotman | MalMen: you could also ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 14:11.41 | ston | if I want to create a script which clear contents of file what commend i have to know?? |
| 14:11.52 | smiler | ston: echo > file will clear it |
| 14:11.56 | abrotman | cat /dev/null > /path/to/file |
| 14:12.03 | smiler | ehm, or echo -n > file even |
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| 14:12.14 | RvGaTe | anyone ? |
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| 14:12.40 | abrotman | RvGaTe: shares being .. samba ? |
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| 14:12.46 | RvGaTe | abrotman, yes |
| 14:12.57 | abrotman | RvGaTe: samba has a file create mode .. so should your ftpd |
| 14:13.55 | sandman | Lovely, I was just about to tackle the reportbug info page, and someone calls up with an unmountable boot volume problem... |
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| 14:15.08 | MalMen | thanks |
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| 14:20.18 | sandman | I saw that too |
| 14:20.37 | sandman | Pretty neat++, I'd think. But without much overhead? Hard to believe. |
| 14:21.56 | abrotman | like the VMS filesystem ? |
| 14:22.06 | kingsley | Perhaps ext3cow can reduce overhead by only checking for new versions sporadically. |
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| 14:23.40 | Perdignus | Hello - how can I force a rotation of auth.log ? |
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| 14:24.25 | kingsley | Perdignus: apt-get install logrotate ; man logrotate |
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| 14:24.32 | simmerz | If I ssh -L3307:localhost:3306 username@server, and then try to connect to mysql on my local machine on port 3307, I should get a "local" connection to the remote machine? |
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| 14:26.22 | RvGaTe | abrotman, trying to change the file creation mode on vsftpd... altho i dont see any options for it in the config... |
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| 14:26.58 | Perdignus | kingsley been there, done that, now I'm stumped about auth.log, the other log files I can rotate, but just not auth.log ? |
| 14:28.19 | abrotman | RvGaTe: don't make me install it! |
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| 14:30.18 | abrotman | Perdignus: it's a syslog file |
| 14:30.57 | abrotman | check /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
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| 14:32.36 | maix | hi, i just tried to install debian in qemu. at the time when i had to choose a language, it crashed (=it didn't respond anymore). tried twice. is this caused by debian or qemu? |
| 14:32.57 | jeremyb | stack? |
| 14:33.19 | JohnDoh | hi everyone, since i upgraded to etch duplicity has been taken atleast twice as long as it used to but the amount of data being backed up hasnt changed that much. Does any one have any ideas what could be slowing it down please? |
| 14:33.56 | abrotman | RvGaTe: maybe ask #vsftpd ? |
| 14:35.05 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i looked through the man page and didn't see anything .. |
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| 14:36.32 | kingsley | Perdignus: Have you tried "logrotate --debug --force /var/log/auth.log"? |
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| 14:38.34 | RvGaTe | abrotman, found a solution... |
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| 14:40.59 | RvGaTe | abrotman, the file creation modes on all methods are 755.... altho the adduser creation mode is set on 701 so that other users cant see it... as i didn't find anything o the ftp also, i just sticked with the default from the ftp, and adjusting the others to match that... and becouse the adduser is set on 701, others still cant see it... thx for the help :) |
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| 14:42.17 | RvGaTe | abrotman, and if you did install vsftpd, you can remove it again :P |
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| 14:42.55 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i know :) |
| 14:43.00 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. my isp has blocked port 25 for smtp.. how can i still use smtp? will it be a problem to use some other port? |
| 14:43.25 | xq | no, it won't be a problem to use another port |
| 14:43.33 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:43.34 | xq | they are just trying to make you use their smtp servers ;p |
| 14:43.45 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: incoming or outgoing ? |
| 14:43.46 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: you wont be able to recieve mail directly |
| 14:43.58 | petemc | via smtp.. |
| 14:44.31 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: and indirectly maybe? :) hehe |
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| 14:45.03 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: to send or recieve ? |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | or both ? |
| 14:45.16 | eeyore- | how do i update keys in my apt-key again? |
| 14:45.24 | abrotman | debian-archive-keyring package |
| 14:45.28 | eeyore- | (why does debian think it's cool to introduce this feature?) |
| 14:45.35 | fuzzy_logic | abortman: ehh.. not sure.. just smtp |
| 14:45.43 | xq | smtp = send, aye> |
| 14:45.58 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: you won't be able to receive at all .. and for sending you'd have to use their SMTP as your smart host .. either way .. get a real ISP/email host |
| 14:46.10 | eeyore- | is this in response to the breakin several years ago? |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's not the worst thing |
| 14:47.40 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman: i like to play with a home server.. |
| 14:47.50 | pattieja | I installed debian on an alpha architecture machine and am fairly satisfied with it. However, I went to install LDAP (via apt-get install slapd), and I am not able to connect to it by any means. I have tried using ldap-account-manager, phpLDAPAdmin, and programs from the ldap-utils package, specifically ldapsearch. I can use slapcat, but that does not communicate with the LDAP server, I think, but directly reads the LDAP database fil |
| 14:47.50 | pattieja | es. |
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| 14:48.21 | pattieja | whenever I use ldapsearch, I receive the following error message: |
| 14:48.52 | pattieja | ldap_result: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
| 14:49.01 | pattieja | when doing ldapsearch -x -h localhost |
| 14:49.18 | fireba11 | pattieja: you made sure your server is set up to communicate with the world ? :-D |
| 14:49.33 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman: the problem is that i can't receive anything.. |
| 14:49.37 | pattieja | netstat -antup | grep 389 reveals: |
| 14:49.50 | pattieja | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:389 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 13767/slapd |
| 14:49.56 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman: so it's unpossible to just change the smtp port on the server? |
| 14:50.09 | pattieja | in /etc/defaults/slapd, I have the following setup: |
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| 14:50.17 | fireba11 | HAHA "unpossible" is funny :-D |
| 14:50.21 | pattieja | SLAPD_SERVICES="ldap://127.0.0.1:389/ ldaps:///" |
| 14:50.41 | pattieja | fireba11, I only want local connections to not be encrypted, but everything else will require encryption |
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| 14:51.03 | pattieja | so, I am attempting to build the LDAP directory using LAM, but nothing can connect |
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| 14:52.15 | GutterPunk | Can someone please point me to a good cpu testing tool? I get lots of segfaults on one of our servers, and I have already changed the RAM modules (after doing a thorough memtest check). Im thinking it's the CPU now. Maybe it's not adequately cooled, but there's not much info using acpi.. |
| 14:52.21 | pattieja | the strange thing is that I installed the exact same version of debian (etch) on x86 architecture systems, installed slapd the exact same way, made the same configuration changes, and they worked immediately right out of the box, whereas the install on the alpha architecture is not allowing connections |
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| 14:52.56 | fireba11 | pattieja: did you check for bugs? |
| 14:53.08 | pattieja | where? |
| 14:53.28 | fireba11 | GutterPunk: just get ultimate boot cd .. they got lots of tests on there |
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| 14:53.37 | fireba11 | !bts |
| 14:53.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:53.45 | GutterPunk | fireba11, that means bringing down the machine... |
| 14:53.56 | tarzeau | wtf /dev/scd1: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'U3 System' |
| 14:53.59 | fireba11 | GutterPunk: guess that's no option then ? |
| 14:54.07 | tarzeau | i have an usb stick with a crap cd-rom filesystem, can't i get rid of it? |
| 14:54.13 | pattieja | GutterPunk, you could mount the CD and run some of the programs that way |
| 14:54.39 | GutterPunk | fireba11, maybe when problems get worse :/ |
| 14:55.06 | fireba11 | GutterPunk: to make sure it's a hardware issue at all booting from CD is really helpful ... |
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| 14:56.15 | x_link | Lenny = Testing, Etch = Stable and Sid = Unstable, right? |
| 14:56.21 | Perdignus | Thanks kingsley and abrotman - a reinstall of sysklogd fixed me up |
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| 14:56.34 | GutterPunk | fireba11, maybe I'll try that on one of the nightly runs to the datacenter :) A lot of customers will be disgruntled if I bring it down now. For good reason |
| 14:57.11 | fireba11 | GutterPunk: of course .. alwys do stuff like that with prior notics and outside main usage hours :-) |
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| 15:03.12 | ston | does file .bashrc doesn't have to be in every home folder?in /root i have with but in user's home folder there is not. |
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| 15:05.57 | scarface | !msg dpkg gnome |
| 15:06.27 | petemc | ston: how did you add these users? |
| 15:06.29 | thingfish | scarface: try /msg dpkg gnome |
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| 15:06.59 | scarface | yep sry ... :) |
| 15:07.09 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 15:08.10 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: unpossible |
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| 15:09.04 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman: but smtp is for sending mail right? i can send mail without problems |
| 15:09.16 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: okay .. so what? |
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| 15:09.28 | abrotman | fuzzy_logic: welcome to the world of spammers |
| 15:09.32 | scarface | hm I use irssi to do irc chatting and love it. I connect to this etch box through tightvpnc but I cant switch channels with alt+1 etc. like I do when sitting right in front of the pc. how does that come and how can I fix this? |
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| 15:10.22 | fuzzy_logic | abrotman: is smtp also for receiving mail? |
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| 15:11.08 | narasim_7 | fuzzy_logic: i think pop is receiving |
| 15:11.10 | petemc | scarface: presumably your vnc client isnt sending the alt + N to the server - as irssi is a terminal app, ssh to the machine and run it, much easier |
| 15:11.14 | petemc | user screen too... |
| 15:11.17 | narasim_7 | fuzzy_logic: smtp is sending to the server |
| 15:11.27 | petemc | narasim_7: erm, its a two way thing |
| 15:11.45 | petemc | mail servers are both clients and servers |
| 15:11.57 | narasim_7 | petemc: smtp for between servers traditionally ? |
| 15:12.09 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: you can recieve mail via smtp as port 25 is blocked - end of story |
| 15:12.13 | petemc | gah! |
| 15:12.18 | petemc | s/can/cant/ |
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| 15:12.30 | scarface | petemc: probably yes, because if I hit alt+1 for instance irssi shows me just the 1. can I configure tightvnc to send alt commands? |
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| 15:12.42 | petemc | scarface: no idea |
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| 15:13.09 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: so the fact that i can't receive any mail is NOT because port 25 is blocked? |
| 15:13.15 | wishie | anyone know why the snd_nm256 module would be blacklisted on a default debian install ? |
| 15:13.28 | Peri | so... i'm upgrading from sarge to etch on a production backup server |
| 15:13.30 | john_ | If I recompile my kernel and kde for my pentium 4 will I experience a performance boost over the stock 686 binary? |
| 15:13.46 | Peri | because i can't get the fiber channel card working properly in sarge |
| 15:14.30 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: no, that is absolutely why you cant recieve mail directly |
| 15:14.45 | Ronin | john_: maybe but is it really worth it for a tiny increase? |
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| 15:15.00 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: what do you mean directly? |
| 15:15.20 | Peri | ok, that's terrifying, it only took 25 minutes? |
| 15:15.37 | john_ | well from what I've read the kernel takes 30 minutes but kde can take days |
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| 15:16.02 | john_ | oh well |
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| 15:16.07 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: if your domain is foo.com, and you set the mx record to mail.foo.com which points to your machine, if someone attempts to send you mail they wont be able to as the smtp port is blocked |
| 15:16.18 | ston | why i don't have .bash_profile in my home folder.??should it be there?? |
| 15:16.34 | petemc | ston: again, how are you adding users? |
| 15:17.19 | ston | petemc: i didn't add users. i created one user during the installation |
| 15:18.02 | petemc | ston: and it doesnt have those files? thats most odd |
| 15:18.45 | ston | i don't have them |
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| 15:19.05 | abrotman | ston: you are doing `ls -a ` ... right ? |
| 15:19.15 | simmerz | what does "Too many open files in system" mean? |
| 15:19.26 | ston | petemc: but i made script with command 'echo > /home/home_folder/.bash_history ' maybe i shouldn't do it?? |
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| 15:20.05 | petemc | ston: if you dont know what you're doing, you definately shouldnt |
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| 15:20.10 | beowu1f | help: is there a specific method to 'autodetect' your name server when establishing a ppp connection for /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 15:20.22 | scarface | hm kde or gnome? |
| 15:20.35 | Ronin | scarface: what about them? |
| 15:20.51 | scarface | Ronin: Im not sure which one to install? |
| 15:21.06 | Ronin | scarface: both, neither, either, something else its all up to you |
| 15:21.15 | ston | petemc: i knew what i didd |
| 15:21.36 | petemc | ston: thats not how it appears |
| 15:21.39 | ston | petemc: i only wanted the script which clear the contents of .bash_history |
| 15:22.05 | petemc | there are variables you can set to do that |
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| 15:22.25 | sparrw | (...Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000]... + ...Radeon R250 Ln [Radeon Mobility 9000 M9] [Secondary]...) *2 <-- my video card status. any tips on getting all 4 monitors working? |
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| 15:22.28 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: when i try to receive mail with the smtp of my isp, it doesn't work either.. |
| 15:22.34 | ston | petemc: ok but now i mean about bashrc |
| 15:22.38 | fuzzy_logic | welcome lhobads |
| 15:22.57 | lhoBas | thanks, Fuzzy_Logic |
| 15:23.03 | petemc | ston: if those files are in /etc/skel/ , they should be in the home dir of any user.. |
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| 15:23.20 | ston | petemc: /etc/skel is empty |
| 15:23.22 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: thats too vague for anyone to be able help you |
| 15:23.24 | sandman | My terminal appears to be displaying garbage for characters... this is within a screen session, btw. |
| 15:23.27 | petemc | ston: it shouldnt be |
| 15:23.39 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: what do you mean? |
| 15:23.42 | sandman | Right now I'm reading info termcap, perhaps this will help |
| 15:23.49 | ston | petemc: maybe someone get into my system?? |
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| 15:24.28 | petemc | ston: thats not the first thing i would think if presented with an empty /etc/skel/ ... |
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| 15:24.56 | petemc | ston: did you answer abrotman ? |
| 15:24.59 | pablo_ | hi, i inatlled mozilla-plugin-gnash but iceweasel didt included it |
| 15:25.01 | asulao | hello. for ssh, how can I see the locally stored remote rsa identification string for a given host? these I supose are stored in .ssh/known_hosts, and I supose it's encripted. How can I see the ids? |
| 15:25.02 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: when i type sendmail in the terminal, it gives me a message.. does that mean that my server is not using smtp but sendmail?? |
| 15:25.20 | spawn57 | hi, i have a software raid 1 array spanned accross two hard drives, but my primary drive is about to fail, and the 2nd drive doesn't boot on it's own. |
| 15:25.58 | ston | abrotman: what can i do bad : i type 'ls -a ' |
| 15:26.29 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: i think you need to brush up on some basics |
| 15:26.59 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: can you help me with that??? :) |
| 15:27.04 | petemc | im afraid not |
| 15:27.34 | fuzzy_logic | why not? |
| 15:27.40 | lhoBas | fuzzy_logic, maybe try ubuntu, with support in your own language? |
| 15:27.59 | Ronin | or in the channel of your mta? |
| 15:28.39 | petemc | im not sure that would help... |
| 15:28.52 | Ronin | heh |
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| 15:33.11 | spawn57 | hi, is there anyone that's proficient with software raid? |
| 15:33.51 | bzed | !anyone |
| 15:33.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 15:34.01 | chops | spawn57: Is your BIOS set up to boot off the second drive? Is grub/lilo/whatever installed in the MBR of the second drive? |
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| 15:34.25 | spawn57 | ah crap I forgot to check that |
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| 15:36.10 | pattieja | suddenly it decides to start working?!!???! |
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| 15:36.20 | reed[] | yeah, i've been screwed by that, forgot to do the grub install twice |
| 15:36.29 | pattieja | the only thing I changed in my ldapsearch was to add the -D |
| 15:36.36 | ofir | hi |
| 15:36.38 | pattieja | and login as administrator |
| 15:36.45 | pattieja | cn=admin,dc=... |
| 15:37.04 | pattieja | and then after that all the other tools started working too (phpldapadmin, lam) |
| 15:37.07 | ofir | I have a problem with suspend, and not being able to see the screen after resume, any suggestion? |
| 15:37.08 | drako | !popcon |
| 15:37.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:37.13 | pattieja | w.e.i.r.d... |
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| 15:39.56 | rahul | popcorn |
| 15:40.07 | yung_ | Can I not disable arts in 4.0 and use ALSA device for sound? |
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| 15:40.50 | ofir | how do i monitor hd usage? |
| 15:40.59 | rahul | iostat |
| 15:41.03 | pablo_ | hi, i installed mozilla-plugin-gnash but iceweasel didnt recognized it |
| 15:41.03 | yung_ | df |
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| 15:47.35 | sandman | Say, how long will Debian be around, do you suppose? |
| 15:47.44 | sandman | Is it getting enough developer membership? |
| 15:48.03 | rahul | debian will be disbanded in one week |
| 15:48.11 | sandman | Everything's a joke, isn't it |
| 15:48.12 | cydork | !dstats |
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| 15:48.24 | rahul | please upgrade to ubuntu or fedora |
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| 15:53.41 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian way to prevent a certain initscript from running short of unlinking it from rc?.d or 'dpkg -r'? |
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| 15:54.12 | petemc | SerajewelKS: update-rc.d -f name remove |
| 15:54.14 | SerajewelKS | actuall chmod -x would probably work, eh? |
| 15:54.24 | spawn57 | hi, a the primary drive in my software raid 1 array isn' about to die, and the hard drive isn't booting from the 2nd drive on it's own. It's nothing to the with teh bios settings it's more the parition's bootable flag gettings |
| 15:54.29 | SerajewelKS | petemc: thanks |
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| 15:54.57 | petemc | spawn57: i dont think anything other than windows uses the bootable flag |
| 15:55.14 | petemc | spawn57: is grub installed on the second drive? |
| 15:55.14 | spawn57 | petemc: i see. damn what else could it be then |
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| 15:55.37 | spawn57 | petemc: it's a software raid array though, would it need group? |
| 15:55.45 | spawn57 | grub even |
| 15:56.04 | petemc | spawn57: you need a bootloader to boot... |
| 15:56.09 | nvz | if you want to boot from it |
| 15:56.27 | spawn57 | what if I use a knoppix cd |
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| 15:56.48 | petemc | spawn57: that could work |
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| 15:57.09 | bashologist | Does anyone know of a program for saving an image of a webpage with all of it's height? |
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| 15:57.31 | spawn57 | hmm...or a boot floppy? |
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| 15:59.08 | spawn57 | if I install grub on a drive, it'snot going to touch my data is it? |
| 15:59.22 | petemc | shouldnt do |
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| 15:59.36 | spawn57 | heh I got a back up of almost all my data anyway |
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| 16:01.27 | spawn57 | i'll give it a shot, ....um, I need instructions on how to install grub..should I use knoppix? or etch rescue cd? |
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| 16:01.53 | petemc | either should work, id have thought |
| 16:02.52 | spawn57 | alrighty, i'll figure it out I gues |
| 16:02.53 | petemc | spawn57: if i were you id google for a software raid 1 setup guide, any half decent one should have info about installing grub on the second drive |
| 16:03.01 | petemc | much better than guessing.. |
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| 16:03.38 | spawn57 | i tried, didn't find anything |
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| 16:03.40 | jazbo2185 | Okay sorry for the OT rant but mac sucks! There's no resources for figuring out how to do stuff! "The software is designed to be easy to use so if your having trouble just click around a little, you'll figure it out in no time!" BS!!! The fracking "help" menu item for the programs are nothing more than damned advertisments for the program you've obviously already bought because your reading it's help. I don't want to know how |
| 16:03.45 | spawn57 | I'll try gagin |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | bashologist: right click and save as ? |
| 16:05.43 | ofir | how do I monitor CPU temps? |
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| 16:06.22 | xand | ofir: thermometer? |
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| 16:06.35 | ofir | xand: no |
| 16:06.48 | ofir | xand: close though ;) |
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| 16:07.08 | [MoN] | hi |
| 16:07.09 | [MoN] | i get the following error when starting an application: "pyOpenSSL is not installed: No module named OpenSSL" |
| 16:07.10 | rdesh | i am trying to read files from a file and apt-get remove them, doing a 'cat files | xargs apt-get remove' but apt-get always aborts. how can i fix that? |
| 16:07.15 | [MoN] | but both packaes are installed: openssl and python-pyopenssl |
| 16:07.23 | [MoN] | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 16:07.29 | rdesh | it doesn't give me an option to type 'y' |
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| 16:07.51 | ManuP | is a PostgreMySql |
| 16:08.08 | bashologist | abrotman: Right click what? This would save a page in an image format? |
| 16:08.10 | ManuP | sorry... is PostgreSql same as MySQL? |
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| 16:08.23 | robewald | ofir: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature |
| 16:08.25 | [MoN] | no its not |
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| 16:08.34 | ManuP | i mean, can i set up a MySQL-Server instead a PostgreSQL? |
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| 16:09.03 | Peri | i'm not a fan of how postgres handles memory across multiple dbs |
| 16:09.05 | robewald | rdesh: what is the error? |
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| 16:09.27 | rdesh | robewald: it isn't an error, it just says "Abort" instead of prompting me for the Y/N in apt-get |
| 16:09.38 | rdesh | robewald: i know i can get around this by doing -y in apt-get, but i want to know how ot do it in bash |
| 16:09.46 | ManuP | Peri, which means...? |
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| 16:09.57 | larsl | Is there a Debian packaged D mode for XEmacs 21.4? |
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| 16:10.38 | sandman | Is there a way to generate an /etc/termcap? |
| 16:10.44 | robewald | rdesh: how about: cat files | xargs apt-get -y remove |
| 16:10.52 | sandman | apt-file search etc/termcap provides no useful results, and my screen implementation needs it... |
| 16:11.07 | hark | sandman: it's terminfo nowadays |
| 16:11.18 | rdesh | robewald: yes, that works, but i want to know how to make bash prompt me for user input rather than quitting because i know i will run into this problem again |
| 16:11.24 | sandman | True, but screen still needs termcap, and without it, screen garbles up ascii characters |
| 16:11.27 | hark | sandman: there used to be a package for that IIRC |
| 16:11.27 | robewald | rdesh: ok, i see |
| 16:11.51 | hark | termcap-compat, but don't think it's updated |
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| 16:12.45 | hark | for screen? |
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| 16:13.12 | Van-Working | hi, is there any tutorial how to upgrade from 2.4 kernel sarge to etch ? |
| 16:13.22 | azeem | Van-Working: read the release notes |
| 16:13.58 | Van-Working | what is the url again please |
| 16:14.00 | angler | since there aren't seperate non-smp and smp linux images, how do you tell if SMP is enabled or not? |
| 16:14.00 | robewald | rdesh: you could do something like: cat files | xargs -n `wc -l files` apt-get remove |
| 16:14.13 | Van-Working | i read it but it didnt say much about upgrading form 2.4 =s |
| 16:14.40 | Van-Working | bythe way when i do aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 16:15.01 | Van-Working | it always say ta trying to upgrade libc6 v.2.5 and get me an error bcuz i got the old kernel |
| 16:15.22 | Van-Working | is there a way to bypass this |
| 16:15.25 | robewald | rdesh: sorry: cat files | xargs -n `wc -l files | cut -d" " -f1` apt-get remove |
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| 16:18.26 | rdesh | robewald: neat, thanks |
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| 16:18.35 | rdesh | also, in a | b | c, is a piped to b, which is piped to c? |
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| 16:19.07 | xand | rdesh: uhuh |
| 16:19.33 | robewald | rdesh: ?? |
| 16:20.04 | ofir | robewald: nothing is in that temperatures folder |
| 16:20.25 | ofir | how do I load a module? |
| 16:20.35 | sid | modprobe module_name |
| 16:20.37 | robewald | rdesh: the pipe symbol | means standard output of a is the standard input of b and so on |
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| 16:21.04 | vlt|home | Hello. I'm running Debian Sarge and Apache web server. For a few minutes the www server didn't respond to any request. I pasted a part of the access.log file here: http://rafb.net/p/Srfhrn95.html -- There are some time jumps from line 12 on, now it's running fine again. How can this happen? Any idea? |
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| 16:21.20 | robewald | ofir: it depends on your hardware, what sort of computer do you have? |
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| 16:21.59 | ofir | robewald: asus p5b deluxe |
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| 16:22.43 | robewald | so you might want to do: modprobe asus_acpi |
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| 16:23.18 | sid | vlt|home: happens all the time to lots of people in here.(myself included); Could just be crappy colocation, or whatever the isp is. and it drops out sometimes |
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| 16:23.44 | vignesh | I just downloaded seamonkey 1.1 from mozilla.org |
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| 16:23.51 | mfrisch | When I exit k3b I get this error (message) find: /dev/.static: Permission denied |
| 16:24.04 | vignesh | When I try to access gmail.com I get the following error. |
| 16:24.25 | mfrisch | vignesh: you can use fetchmail for gmail real well. |
| 16:24.27 | vignesh | This document cannot be displayed unless you install the Personal Security Manager (PSM). Download and install PSM and try again, or contact your system administrator |
| 16:24.27 | vignesh | other sites work fine.. |
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| 16:25.02 | vignesh | thats ok.. but why isn`t it working in seamonkey.. It works in firefox |
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| 16:25.25 | robewald | Van-Working: please read section 4 of: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
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| 16:26.17 | stoned | stew: hey man.. someone just uploaded SMC to ftp master :( |
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| 16:26.43 | stoned | stew: same guy who maintains libcegui packages I think |
| 16:26.57 | stoned | stew: so well I guess never fucking mind now :( |
| 16:27.06 | stoned | stew: thanks for your help with the packages though, I appreciate it |
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| 16:27.37 | stoned | i gotta get ready for work |
| 16:27.58 | Van-Working | robewald: the thing its heask me to upgeade to kernel 2.6 before upgrading to etch.. |
| 16:28.16 | Van-Working | robewald: icannot upgrade to 2.6 bcuz i am on sata disk and sata disk give me some kernel panic error.. |
| 16:28.18 | kramed | can anyone point me in the direction to change my system fan speeds in linux, my bios doesnt support it |
| 16:28.26 | Van-Working | tat the reason i want to go to etch |
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| 16:30.27 | sohmestra | kramed: if your bios doesn't support it, then you can't do it. |
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| 16:30.53 | kramed | there are win32 programs that can do it, there must be linux programs that can too |
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| 16:31.56 | sohmestra | kramed: that can do it on your computer? |
| 16:32.01 | kramed | I remember reading that you can change a /proc/ file to change the speed but I cant find it |
| 16:32.12 | kramed | sohmestra: yes, I have done it with speedfan |
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| 16:32.24 | sohmestra | kramed: then I'm wrong. ignore me. |
| 16:32.49 | robewald | Van-Working: can you upgrade to a newer 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:32.53 | sohmestra | kramed: try lm-sensors |
| 16:33.08 | kramed | sohmestra: only monitoring support, no changing :) |
| 16:33.15 | cydork | Van-Working: /msg dpkg 2.4->2.6 |
| 16:34.05 | sohmestra | kramed: hmm. then keep ignoring me, I don't know what I'm talking about ;o) |
| 16:34.26 | vignesh | anyone has any idea ? |
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| 16:36.50 | ofir | I need this module that I don't have w83627ehf. How do I get it? |
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| 16:37.38 | concept10 | ofer, its probably already on your system |
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| 16:37.47 | robewald | kramed: just a guess, but you might find something below /proc/acpi |
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| 16:38.14 | hark | ofir: modprobe it |
| 16:38.18 | jeward | I've created a debian package for our home grown firewall script and I want to designate a config file to be handled by the package, but I can't find an example of a Conffiles: control file line? |
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| 16:38.26 | ofer | concept10, what do you mean? |
| 16:38.28 | hark | ofir: what kernel? |
| 16:38.29 | ofir | hark it isn't on |
| 16:38.40 | ofir | 2.6.18 |
| 16:38.40 | ness | hi, is it possible to create a "snapshot file" of all packages installed on a system which I can feed to apt on a different system so it looks like the original one (wrt packages installed / configuration)? |
| 16:38.57 | concept10 | ofir, do a locate w836 |
| 16:39.13 | kramed | robewald: I am in there now, for some reason my acpi/fan and acpi/thermal_zone are empty. do I have to compile them as modules? I compiled them directly into the kernel |
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| 16:39.34 | hark | CONFIG_SENSORS_W83627EHF=m (in 2.6.18-4 here) |
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| 16:39.51 | robewald | kramed: no idea, i use the stock kernel and have modules |
| 16:40.17 | concept10 | /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko |
| 16:40.34 | robewald | ofir: apt-file search w83627ehf.ko |
| 16:41.01 | ofir | concept10: it found it.... maybe I didn't understand the error message |
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| 16:41.13 | ofir | FATAL: Error inserting w83627ehf (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/w83627ehf.ko): No such device |
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| 16:41.58 | vchrizz | i connected a sd/mmc card reader via usb and its listed in lsusb, now how do i find out which drives ive got to mount? |
| 16:42.03 | jeward | Can someone help me figure out the Conffiles: syntax in a package control file? |
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| 16:42.17 | concept10 | ofir, I see those errors sometimes, I think its basically that the related hardware isnt on your system or not properly supported |
| 16:42.23 | angler | why does 'uname -a' show SMP when I only have a single cpu and running 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 16:42.36 | kramed | it must be hyperthreading |
| 16:42.39 | eeyore- | ext3cow.com? what the hell? :-) |
| 16:42.53 | concept10 | angler, because the kernel was compiled for smp |
| 16:43.00 | vchrizz | jeward: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Binary-Package-Building-HOWTO/x88.html#AEN92 |
| 16:43.37 | ofir | concept10: I have: Found `Winbond W83627DHG Super IO Sensors' Success! |
| 16:43.37 | ofir | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.52 | ofir | (sensors-detect output_ |
| 16:43.55 | jeward | vchrizz: No mention of Conffiles in there. |
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| 16:44.26 | jeward | vchrizz: I can't seem to find an example. |
| 16:44.27 | concept10 | ofir, where's that? dmesg? |
| 16:44.37 | angler | concept10, but the 2.6.17 kernel image can be either non-smp or smp |
| 16:44.41 | jeward | vchrizz: And my guesses are getting rejected. |
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| 16:44.54 | angler | it's not seperate images for them |
| 16:45.02 | ofir | concept10: no it is the output of sensors-detect. I try to see the cpu temperatures |
| 16:45.14 | vchrizz | eeyore-: i fixed my problem ;) i tried kernel 2.6.21 instead of 2.6.21.1 and now everything seems to work. i still get i/o errors when trying to compile 2.6.21.1 (didnt have them days before) but who cares ;) |
| 16:45.18 | ofir | concept10: it try to detect my sensor hardware |
| 16:45.34 | concept10 | angler, if the kernel is compiled for smp, and it detects that you have one processor system, it turns smp off. look at dmesg |
| 16:45.49 | vchrizz | jeward: look under "So here is the result of our first 'control' file:" |
| 16:46.02 | concept10 | ofer, is this a desktop system? do you use gnome? |
| 16:46.03 | angler | concept10, thanks |
| 16:46.24 | ofir | concept10: yes I use gnome |
| 16:46.35 | ofer | concept10, I don't know what do you mean. |
| 16:46.40 | jeward | vchrizz: I'm sorry, I see no string conff in the page? |
| 16:46.55 | ofir | hi ofer |
| 16:47.00 | concept10 | I hate close nicks :) |
| 16:47.02 | ofer | hey, ofir. |
| 16:47.12 | concept10 | heh |
| 16:47.17 | ofer | :) |
| 16:47.24 | vchrizz | jeward: oh, you mean a directive called "conffiles"? sorry, i thought you need general help on creating an own deb pkg |
| 16:47.26 | ofir | LOL |
| 16:47.59 | jeward | vchrizz: I've got the package created, but I need to define a conffile so I can distribute one if one doesn't exist. |
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| 16:48.10 | concept10 | ofir, I use this panel app in gnome that detects cpu temp, it works rather well |
| 16:48.18 | jeward | vchrizz: So apt will do the "right thing", you know? |
| 16:48.33 | xq | dont count on it ;p |
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| 16:49.34 | xq | wb |
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| 16:49.49 | eeyore- | vchrizz: well good, i guess ;-) |
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| 16:49.53 | vchrizz | jeward: clear, sorry i dont know how to do what you want :) |
| 16:50.01 | ofir | concept10: which panel app? |
| 16:50.26 | jeward | vchrizz: Me either! :-) |
| 16:51.17 | vchrizz | eeyore-: yup, im just wondering why kernel 2.6.21.1 makes problems since it worked for me some days and since its distributed on kernel.org as stable |
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| 16:53.35 | chops | vchrizz: kernel.org kernels aren't terribly stable these days |
| 16:53.58 | vchrizz | chops: noticed that :) |
| 16:55.07 | ofir | concept10: I found in google some more people with asus p5b* with such problems... they say they needed a patch for their kernel |
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| 16:55.21 | vchrizz | well, i always used standard kernels provided by apt but since im playing around with building an own configured kernel, i just thought, using the newest stable, wont be bad |
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| 16:55.31 | simmerz | what does it mean if my machine claims that there are too many open files in the system |
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| 16:55.47 | z421 | hello |
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| 16:56.12 | vchrizz | simmerz: you need to raise the "limit" of open files... do you work in a vserver? |
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| 16:57.40 | vchrizz | how do i find out which drives ive got available to mount from my mmc card reader? |
| 16:57.43 | concept10 | ofir, sorry, I was on the phone, its called the panel sensors applet. you may need that patch, im not sure, but you can try it.. http://sensors-applet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:58.46 | ofir | yea, i will need the patch... don't feel like pathcing though |
| 16:58.57 | concept10 | ofir, I cant find the name of the package! argh |
| 16:59.07 | ofir | it means building the kernel |
| 16:59.10 | ofir | right? |
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| 16:59.42 | chops | vchrizz: I would start from a Debian kernel rather than starting with a vanilla kernel.org one; I've had good success with that approach |
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| 17:00.14 | concept10 | ofir, maybe so.. or getting a new one with the patches installed, i think there is a 2.6.20 debian kernel floating around somewhere |
| 17:00.17 | vlt|home | sid: hmmm, crappy colocation ... The hits from 192.168.1.* are from the very same local ethernet here. How can time jumps back and forth of up to 20 minutes be explained? |
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| 17:00.53 | ofir | 2.6.20 doesn't have it afaik |
| 17:00.55 | picot | hi |
| 17:01.24 | concept10 | ofir, you have a p5b, that means you might have a dual core processor (guessing) |
| 17:01.47 | ofir | yes |
| 17:01.51 | abrotman | vchrizz: fdisk -l <device> |
| 17:02.01 | ofir | dual core |
| 17:02.14 | concept10 | compiling a kernel would probably take less than an hour on that box |
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| 17:02.54 | vchrizz | abrotman, thats what i want to do, but i dont know which <device> my card reader is |
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| 17:03.23 | abrotman | vchrizz: dmesg sohuld tell you .. or /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
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| 17:04.15 | concept10 | I hate the bash shell |
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| 17:04.38 | concept10 | a system without my .zshrc isnt a system worth typing commands on |
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| 17:05.05 | abrotman | but you're telling us about it why? |
| 17:05.18 | concept10 | abrotman, i thought you'd like to know |
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| 17:05.39 | vchrizz | abrotman: thx, its /dev/bus/usb/ :) |
| 17:05.48 | ofir | concept10: an hour doesn't sound like fun... but the part i hate most is going over all the config dialogs/menu |
| 17:05.57 | vchrizz | 001-004 for accessing the slots |
| 17:06.01 | jeward | I have created a package, but I need to understand how to configure it to deal with an existing config file. I can't find good documentation on conffiles. |
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| 17:06.56 | concept10 | ofir, yeah, I hate that also, I start with oldconfig and eliminate stuff I know I dont have or need. |
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| 17:08.01 | ofir | concept10: Where do you get the old config at first? |
| 17:08.11 | jeward | I created <package>/DEBIAN/conffiles, but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:08.39 | ofir | concept10: does the config for the package kernel comes with the source? |
| 17:09.43 | concept10 | ofir, look in /boot/ you will see the configs you are using now |
| 17:10.06 | itchi | Hoi, What's the alternative of the Active Directory? |
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| 17:11.00 | ofir | ah ok concept10 |
| 17:11.15 | simonrvn | itchi: samba4 + heimdal kerberos + openldap |
| 17:11.38 | leOn | hmmm |
| 17:11.54 | leOn | simonrvn: you've played with samba4 already ? |
| 17:11.59 | itchi | simonrvn: hhhm, yeah that ldap. I need to check it out |
| 17:12.04 | simonrvn | no |
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| 17:12.21 | Pioz | !it |
| 17:12.21 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 17:12.43 | itchi | Pioz: You gona love /msg dpkg selftell ;-) |
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| 17:13.09 | SeicherlBoB | Can someone tell me how to run an executable 'foo' (C-prog) as daemon from a shell-script? I need to run multiple execs at once to test a client-server-environment |
| 17:13.16 | rocketmagnet | hi |
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| 17:13.35 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: why does that make it needed to run it as daemon? |
| 17:13.38 | Pioz | foo& |
| 17:13.47 | itchi | With a mail server 'setup', that 'contact' list (aka exchange features). What's the alternative too? |
| 17:13.52 | rocketmagnet | does someone know if the debian include nvidia driver is as fast and 3d accelerated as the official driver ? |
| 17:13.53 | leOn | SeicherlBoB: either that program is able to work as a daemon or not |
| 17:13.54 | jeward | Can someone tell me how to define a config file in a debian package? |
| 17:13.58 | h3sp4wn | rocketmagnet: Its not |
| 17:13.59 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: 'foo &' shou |
| 17:14.03 | valdyn | leOn: nonsense |
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| 17:14.11 | rocketmagnet | h3sp4wn: so i need to use the official one =) |
| 17:14.12 | itchi | I suspect ldap too |
| 17:14.13 | valdyn | SeicherlBoB: 'foo &' should do what you want |
| 17:14.14 | h3sp4wn | rocketmagnet: if you mean the nv driver - the non-free driver is identical |
| 17:14.25 | jetscreamer | what? |
| 17:14.33 | rocketmagnet | i've installed debian 4 yesterday |
| 17:14.36 | jetscreamer | if you mean the nv driver - the non-free driver is identical ?? |
| 17:14.41 | leOn | valdyn: i beg your pardon ? |
| 17:14.42 | rocketmagnet | and the active one is called 'nv' |
| 17:14.43 | itchi | ldap too? |
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| 17:14.46 | SeicherlBoB | valdyn: ah... the amp. at the end... i put it a the beginning ... stupid. |
| 17:14.55 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:14.57 | valdyn | leOn: any program can be demonised |
| 17:15.00 | h3sp4wn | rocketmagnet: the non-free driver is the same as the one from nvidia.com |
| 17:15.11 | leOn | valdyn: through a wrapper yes ... that was not the question |
| 17:15.11 | h3sp4wn | rocketmagnet: just packaged so it doesn't make a mess of your system |
| 17:15.28 | rocketmagnet | h3sp4wn: so if i allready have 'nv' running i don't need another driver for full 3d acceleration ? |
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| 17:15.34 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: it's the same, but usually the debian one is a few versions behind... nv is the xorg driver, only does 2d, and is totally different |
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| 17:15.48 | itchi | If someone know a nice ldap howto, heh, i'm here :-) |
| 17:15.49 | h3sp4wn | rocketmagnet: You need - 'nvidia' for 3d |
| 17:15.53 | jetscreamer | nvidia.deb vs nvidia.run is wht i meand |
| 17:15.55 | jetscreamer | t |
| 17:16.16 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: the 'nvidia' driver in debian is the same as the 'nvidia' driver from nvidia.com |
| 17:16.27 | jetscreamer | except it's older |
| 17:16.28 | TummYacid | anyone know if i can write a superblock to a raid ive created but dont want to lose data on it. ive back it up this time first |
| 17:16.36 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: but there's a free 'nv' driver too, which is much worse in features and performance |
| 17:16.38 | jetscreamer | an older version rather |
| 17:16.40 | rocketmagnet | ah... so i have just the basic setup, so i need to get the free xorg driver that is packed and called 'nvidia' =) - am i right ? |
| 17:16.48 | jetscreamer | correct |
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| 17:16.52 | rahul | er |
| 17:16.55 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 17:16.56 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: wrong |
| 17:16.56 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 17:17.00 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:17.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 17:17.01 | rocketmagnet | can this be get with apt-get install nvidia ? |
| 17:17.06 | jetscreamer | make that non-free not free |
| 17:17.09 | rahul | the free driver is not 'nvidia' |
| 17:17.13 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: 'nvidia' is non-free and by nvidia.com, 'nv' is free and in xorg |
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| 17:17.20 | leOn | calling 'foo &' is something i hardly call demonize .. but maybe that's just me |
| 17:17.24 | rahul | 'nv' is free. 'nvidia' is non-free. |
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| 17:17.35 | rocketmagnet | i need 3d acceleration |
| 17:17.37 | jetscreamer | there is an nvidia debian package in non-free contrib sources |
| 17:17.40 | rahul | leOn: ... nohup? |
| 17:17.55 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 17:17.57 | jetscreamer | rocketmagnet: you had it right, just the word free vs non-free |
| 17:18.04 | leOn | that's not running a daemon ... that's running a process in background |
| 17:18.20 | rahul | leOn: um... nohup... |
| 17:18.35 | valdyn | leOn: it doesnt demonize, and SeicherlBoB does not need a daemon either |
| 17:18.36 | rahul | leOn: I suggest you read the man page. there is also start-stop-daemon. |
| 17:18.38 | jetscreamer | !free |
| 17:18.38 | dpkg | it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
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| 17:21.00 | itchi | simonrvn: Thanks for the tips heh ;-) I'm googling the stuff now :-) |
| 17:21.04 | rocketmagnet | i have to say that debian starts to be my favorite distro |
| 17:21.04 | leOn | rahul: nohup - run a command immune to hangups, with output to a non-tty ... that's hardly daemonizing ... but like i said ... i might be wrong |
| 17:21.19 | valdyn | leOn: that is daemonising |
| 17:21.24 | rahul | leOn: what else would it be? |
| 17:21.33 | Van-Working | does debian support RAID onboard? |
| 17:21.45 | rahul | you expect it to use a cup of sheep's blood? |
| 17:21.45 | valdyn | leOn: a daemon is a program with no controlling tty, simple as that |
| 17:21.49 | Van-Working | i heard it does not support Quad Core Intel Xeon CPU |
| 17:21.51 | rahul | Van-Working: yes |
| 17:21.56 | Van-Working | type yet with raid on board |
| 17:21.56 | rahul | Van-Working: I heard my ass is hot |
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| 17:22.16 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: after the apt-get stuff i just have to reboot ? |
| 17:22.27 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: nope |
| 17:22.31 | rocketmagnet | ??? |
| 17:22.43 | rocketmagnet | i thought the new kernel image must be load |
| 17:23.00 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: i didn't know that you installed a new kernel |
| 17:23.23 | rocketmagnet | i haven't... i just thought that this is a MUST for the nvdrivers |
| 17:23.38 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: did you read and do what dpkg said? |
| 17:23.54 | chops | TummYacid: Howdy, how goes it? |
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| 17:24.21 | rocketmagnet | i doesn't told me something... just loading... unpacking... and a few other things.. then i was back on console |
| 17:24.26 | chops | TummYacid: The superblock is a component of the filesystem, not a RAID thing (well, it's also a RAID thing, but I suspect your missing one is a missing filesystem component, nothing to do with RAID). |
| 17:24.39 | valdyn | !tell rocketmagnet -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 17:24.51 | chops | TummYacid: If you're getting a message about missing superblock, it's likely because the data wasn't properly moved over |
| 17:25.08 | chops | TummYacid: Did you try making a degraded RAID on /dev/hdc9 and then moving all the data from /dev/hda9 to /dev/md9? |
| 17:25.57 | TummYacid | im about to do that, just wondered if there was a superblock only argument i could pass before i started another 4 hour sync |
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| 17:26.20 | TummYacid | like mkfs.xfs --only-write-superblock /dev/hdc9 |
| 17:26.31 | TummYacid | err /dev/md0 |
| 17:26.37 | AndroidData | how do I determine my kernel version? Appearantly I need to get my kernel headers |
| 17:26.42 | hunterones2 | is there a way to disable the case sensitive on apache? |
| 17:26.47 | AndroidData | running a freshly installed Debian 4.0 |
| 17:26.50 | TummYacid | AndroidData: try uname -a |
| 17:26.57 | AndroidData | ok |
| 17:27.01 | valdyn | AndroidData: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 17:27.11 | chops | TummYacid: mkfs should be pretty fast... I would strongly advise against making a filesystem on /dev/md9; if I understand your situation correctly, then that will destroy the data currently on /dev/hda9 |
| 17:27.15 | TummYacid | or his |
| 17:27.17 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: ups... i just typed in the apt-get install ... , do i need to undo this step ? |
| 17:27.39 | chops | TummYacid: I think you can't avoid re-transferring the data, unfortunately |
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| 17:27.55 | chops | TummYacid: You'll only have to do it once, though, since you can use a RAID array while it's syncing. |
| 17:28.03 | TummYacid | well i stopped the old array(and also backed up data finally, took al lnight) and made a new md9 with just hdc9 in it |
| 17:28.10 | chops | TummYacid: Ah, okay |
| 17:28.26 | chops | TummYacid: Yeah, then you should mkfs /dev/md9 and then copy the data over |
| 17:28.32 | TummYacid | so im about to mkfs.xfs and all that |
| 17:28.39 | chops | TummYacid: The mkfs should be pretty quick, but the copy will be a bit slow :-( |
| 17:28.39 | TummYacid | ok here goes |
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| 17:29.48 | Kronuz | hello |
| 17:30.04 | Kronuz | hey, what do I have to do to be able to import photos from my camera? |
| 17:30.21 | abrotman | import where? |
| 17:30.27 | AndroidData | uh. trying to install kqemu. a bit failing here. |
| 17:30.27 | Kronuz | when I connect the camera it asks me if I want to import the photos, but then I press there and nothing happens |
| 17:30.28 | TummYacid | ok its done, what cp arguments would you recomend for copying my entire /home partiton? |
| 17:30.38 | TummYacid | the partitions are identical |
| 17:30.45 | chops | TummYacid: cp -a |
| 17:30.46 | TummYacid | /dev/hda9 303208192 110577840 192630352 37% /home |
| 17:30.46 | TummYacid | /dev/md9 303208128 272 303207856 1% /mnt |
| 17:30.47 | rahul | TummYacid: -ax |
| 17:30.54 | Kronuz | abrotman: to the computer (from the camera) |
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| 17:31.02 | h3sp4wn | TummYacid: I would use tar (unless you are using extended attributes) |
| 17:31.08 | chops | rahul: Ooh, -ax is better than -a, yes |
| 17:31.14 | Kronuz | I get that message in gnome as soon as I connect the camera |
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| 17:31.18 | rahul | -x won't make a diff in this case, tho |
| 17:31.23 | TummYacid | how about -vax? |
| 17:31.26 | Kronuz | but if I press the "import" button nothing happens |
| 17:31.28 | chops | rahul: Good habit to build, though :-) |
| 17:31.34 | chops | TummYacid: Sounds good |
| 17:31.35 | TummYacid | h3sp4wn: why tar? |
| 17:31.40 | h3sp4wn | TummYacid: cd /mnt/image; tar -cpf - --numeric-owner . | (cd /mnt/logical; tar -xvpf -) |
| 17:31.41 | rahul | I refer -alpha |
| 17:31.46 | h3sp4wn | TummYacid: faster |
| 17:31.50 | rahul | vax is too old school. |
| 17:32.03 | rahul | h3sp4wn: where do you get that idea? |
| 17:32.07 | TummYacid | rahul: hehe couldnt resist |
| 17:32.08 | h3sp4wn | rahul: try it |
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| 17:32.36 | rahul | h3sp4wn: between _different_ drives? |
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| 17:32.46 | abrotman | Kronuz: no kidding .. to what application |
| 17:32.49 | TummYacid | two drives on seperate ide controllers |
| 17:32.53 | h3sp4wn | rahul: yes |
| 17:32.55 | TummYacid | ide 7200 rpm |
| 17:33.02 | rahul | h3sp4wn: you're insane |
| 17:33.52 | h3sp4wn | rahul: true (also certain though) |
| 17:34.03 | TummYacid | can anyone think of a reason why i _shouldnt_ try h3sp4wn's method? im afraid im not quite familiar with that syntax |
| 17:34.11 | chops | TummYacid: That's a good reason :-) |
| 17:34.19 | chops | TummYacid: Both should work, though |
| 17:34.19 | TummYacid | ok im with you chops |
| 17:34.35 | Kronuz | abrotman: I don't know, in gnome I get that message as soon as I connect the camera and it doesn't say what app it'd use |
| 17:34.43 | Van-Working | what is the best, quad core processor or dual xeon? |
| 17:34.44 | jazbo2185 | how do I convert a web address to numerical IP on the command line? |
| 17:35.00 | chops | jazbo2185: host |
| 17:35.14 | jazbo2185 | tanks |
| 17:35.26 | rahul | Van-Working: a 128-way PA-RISC |
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| 17:35.47 | Van-Working | a 128-way PA-RISC ? what is tat |
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| 17:36.05 | rahul | sheesh. kids these days. |
| 17:36.43 | rahul | no respect for real computers. |
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| 17:37.20 | TummYacid | ok copy is going... when this is done i reboot and verifiy every thing works then i format hda9 and mdadm -add it to /dev/md9 and let it sync again? |
| 17:37.50 | chops | TummYacid: You shouldn't have to format hda9, but yes |
| 17:38.07 | chops | TummYacid: Actually, you shouldn't really need to reboot, if you can log in as root and unmount /home |
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| 17:38.52 | chops | TummYacid: Also, you may not have to wait until the sync completes -- most RAIDs I'm familiar with will let you go ahead and use the array while it's syncing. |
| 17:39.03 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Before I dig through source, can someone tell me if /etc/cron.hourly is supported in Debian? If it's not, it seems strange that the directory is created by the package... |
| 17:39.07 | rahul | might be nice to reboot and see that it works that way before blowing away his working partition :) |
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| 17:39.29 | rahul | ChibaPet: it is |
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| 17:39.54 | ChibaPet | man page doesn't specify a format... Is there any requirement? |
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| 17:40.15 | TummYacid | yes it waid it would let me use it while its syncing |
| 17:40.20 | ChibaPet | Boss popped a file in, and we see nothing executing since yesterday. |
| 17:40.23 | TummYacid | but i wanna see the 2x read speed in action |
| 17:40.34 | chops | TummYacid: Mmm read speed |
| 17:40.47 | TummYacid | it will make a good media server |
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| 17:41.26 | valdyn | ChibaPet: its supported and used by default by debian |
| 17:41.30 | valdyn | ChibaPet: read /etc/crontab |
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| 17:41.47 | ChibaPet | ah, indeed |
| 17:41.59 | chops | h3sp4wn: I don't see a big difference between "cp -ax" and "tar | tar". I just tried a 2 gig partition from one RAID array to another, and I got 2:09 via tar and 2:13 via cp (after doing it once via cp with the cache cold). |
| 17:42.06 | chops | h3sp4wn: Not very scientific, of course |
| 17:42.29 | bubazoo | does anyone know if the freenx/nx server packages are available for debian Etch? there not on the respositories I know, but does anyone know if they are avaiable for that platform? |
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| 17:42.48 | valdyn | chops: not supposed to be even that big ( the difference ), its probably luck |
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| 17:43.18 | chops | valdyn: Well, like I said (er, implied), both of those tests were with the cache warm... so who knows what it's really doing. |
| 17:43.40 | chops | valdyn: But with the cache cold, it took 2:18, so I doubt the cache is having too much of an effect in this case |
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| 17:44.14 | valdyn | chops: maybe your ram is to small compared to the dataset |
| 17:44.22 | valdyn | chops: otherwise the impact would be huge |
| 17:44.52 | chops | valdyn: My RAM is 4 gigs, the dataset is 2 gigs :-) |
| 17:44.58 | valdyn | chops: the cp can return at any point before the operation is finished |
| 17:44.59 | chops | valdyn: Like I said, not too scientific |
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| 17:45.15 | chops | valdyn: As can the tar |
| 17:45.22 | valdyn | chops: right |
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| 17:45.51 | chops | valdyn: But the write cache is going to be largely the same for both (since it's going to be the kernel scheduling writes out of a large pool) |
| 17:45.56 | bubazoo | does the CLI version of apt-get, have a search mechanism? |
| 17:46.10 | valdyn | bubazoo: no |
| 17:46.10 | cydork | bubazoo: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:46.10 | Flimqy | bubazoo: man apt-get |
| 17:46.10 | formorer | bubazoo: man apt-cache |
| 17:46.11 | chops | valdyn: I would think that starving the reading end would be the difficulty cp might run into if it weren't very clever |
| 17:46.39 | rahul | bubazoo: or use aptitude, as you should be using already for installing packages |
| 17:47.14 | bubazoo | rahul: am not using aptitude right now because I'm connected via SSH |
| 17:47.23 | bubazoo | thats was why I wondered about nx/freenx |
| 17:47.33 | ChibaPet | okay, a perusal of run-parts helped |
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| 17:47.37 | rahul | bubazoo: well, that's a retarded reason |
| 17:47.39 | ChibaPet | run-parts man page |
| 17:47.41 | bubazoo | but I was looking for another package besides that |
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| 17:47.50 | ChibaPet | evidently there are naming constraints we were not following |
| 17:47.55 | ChibaPet | thanks, all, for the help!! |
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| 17:48.30 | bubazoo | rahul: but its true, can't run aptitude thru SSH now can I |
| 17:48.46 | valdyn | bubazoo: sure you can run aptitude thru ssh |
| 17:48.50 | bubazoo | well u can, but not without nx |
| 17:48.52 | chops | bubazoo: Of course you can |
| 17:49.00 | valdyn | bubazoo: why the hell would you need nx? |
| 17:49.03 | chops | bubazoo: Do you mean synaptic, the GUI tool? |
| 17:49.12 | rahul | bubazoo: YOU might not be able to, but that would be a personal problem |
| 17:49.15 | chops | bubazoo: aptitude is a command-line and curses tool, it works fine over ssh |
| 17:49.19 | bubazoo | aptitude is the GUI tool isn't it? |
| 17:49.39 | rahul | bubazoo: I suggest you contact a psychiatrist to fix such fears |
| 17:49.39 | valdyn | bubazoo: you dont need nx, you can use 'ssh -X' for GUI tools, but aptitude is text interface only |
| 17:49.39 | rahul | uh |
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| 17:49.40 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 17:49.40 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 17:49.44 | bubazoo | ok thanks chops, I thought aptitude was a GUI |
| 17:50.00 | bubazoo | why are u guys so freakin mean every time I come in here |
| 17:50.11 | rahul | bubazoo: because you say stupid things? |
| 17:50.12 | valdyn | bubazoo: who's mean? |
| 17:50.16 | bubazoo | excuse my freakin ass for being a newbie sheesh |
| 17:50.18 | rahul | valdyn: me, duh |
| 17:50.23 | rahul | !penixstrike valdyn |
| 17:50.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking valdyn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:50.29 | valdyn | haha |
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| 17:50.54 | valdyn | bubazoo: don't mind rahul being 'mean', he's just as anyone doing support in here gets after a week |
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| 17:51.32 | nunu | are there known bugs in sid with wine ? when it tries to open a window,.. my hole xserver crashes :/ where do I have to look for a log of wine ? can'tz find any |
| 17:51.45 | chops | !bts |
| 17:51.45 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:51.51 | rahul | bubazoo: you shouldn't randomly assume things just because you're a newbie, either |
| 17:52.19 | rahul | you tend to be wrong when you do that :) |
| 17:52.30 | chops | nunu: I can personally guarantee you that the answer to, "are there known bugs in sid with wine" is, "yes" :-) |
| 17:52.48 | nunu | lol |
| 17:52.51 | Flimqy | So I've noticed that creating 4096-bit SSL keys takes much longer than 1024-bit keys (duh!). Does _using_ the longer keys take longer, too? Is the SSL auth/handshake process longer with a longer key? |
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| 17:53.12 | valdyn | Flimqy: maybe its longer, but you wont notice |
| 17:53.14 | rahul | ok, gotta head to penn station to meet a friend |
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| 17:53.23 | valdyn | Flimqy: ( i don't notice ) |
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| 17:53.44 | rahul | Flimqy: your s is really flimsy |
| 17:53.44 | Flimqy | valdyn: Okay, cool. I don't mind waiting a long time to _create_ keys, as long as it won't be a delay of additional tens of seconds when connecting :) |
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| 17:54.03 | rahul | z huh |
| 17:54.05 | Flimzy | rahul: heh, I'm usually logged in from more than one place |
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| 17:54.49 | Flimzy | valdyn: Do you use SSL for VPN, or other things? |
| 17:54.49 | jazbo2185 | How can I find what DNS servers I'm using? |
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| 17:55.06 | Flimzy | jazbo2185: cat /etc/resolv.conf might tell you what you want to know |
| 17:55.14 | rahul | I'm such a fucking brit |
| 17:55.15 | jazbo2185 | Flimzy: that's it, thanks |
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| 17:55.18 | rahul | oh well, poof. |
| 17:55.29 | valdyn | Flimzy: only for my imap server |
| 17:55.43 | Flimzy | valdyn: oh, okay. using a 4k-bit key for that, too? |
| 17:55.59 | valdyn | Flimzy: nope, i do for ssh |
| 17:56.04 | Flimzy | ok |
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| 17:57.51 | Flimzy | Are there any handy tools to create dynamic DNS entries *without* DHCP? |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | nmbd :) |
| 17:58.07 | biz | are there any thirdparty debian packages for 'lambdabot' available? |
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| 17:58.19 | abrotman | biz: apt-get.org maybe |
| 17:58.23 | valdyn | Flimzy: how? by the client setting his name? |
| 17:58.31 | biz | didn't find it there abrotman |
| 17:58.37 | valdyn | Flimzy: on your own nameserver? |
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| 17:59.05 | Flimzy | valdyn: I want my home connection's IP to be updated automatically when it changes, on my own zone. |
| 17:59.15 | Flimzy | I control the DHCP client, but not the server |
| 17:59.21 | abrotman | biz: SOL or ask the author |
| 17:59.23 | skipjack89 | bella pe tutti |
| 17:59.30 | Flimzy | and I control the DNS zone |
| 17:59.55 | valdyn | Flimzy: your client can run nsupdate to set his name |
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| 18:00.27 | Flimzy | valdyn: okay, I'll check that out. thanks |
| 18:01.04 | Flimzy | valdyn: does nsupdate interact directly with bind? |
| 18:01.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: yea |
| 18:01.21 | Flimzy | valdyn: very interesting! |
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| 18:01.29 | valdyn | Flimzy: its part of the bind package |
| 18:01.31 | Flimzy | valdyn: I guess I'm behind the times in this area |
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| 18:02.06 | valdyn | Flimzy: maybe bind is listening on tcp/953 for this, your's too, probably |
| 18:02.10 | valdyn | Flimzy: my bind is listening on tcp/953 for this, your's too, probably |
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| 18:02.36 | Flimzy | Time to STFU for some RTFM about nsupdate :) |
| 18:02.46 | dserban | I have a palm m130 and it's worked for ages... but now I can't see udev creating the device on hotsync... though dmesg shows it becoming available etc... what can I do to see what udev is doing? it reports success based on the rules that exist for the device but yet again, no go on the device creation under /dev |
| 18:02.46 | Flimzy | STFW even |
| 18:03.18 | valdyn | dserban: on a debian kernel? |
| 18:03.28 | dserban | valdyn, yessir 2.6.20-1 |
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| 18:03.39 | jazbo2185 | How can I query google on the command line? lynx wont load google... |
| 18:03.56 | valdyn | jazbo2185: lynx what? |
| 18:04.05 | Flimzy | jazbo2185: 1) lynx isn't the command line. 2) Why won't lynx load google? it always has for me. |
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| 18:05.34 | jazbo2185 | Flimzy: 1). lynx can be run non interactively. 2) `lynx google` used to work for me but now it gives "Your client has issued a malformed or illegal request." |
| 18:05.37 | xq | ext3cow wth? |
| 18:05.53 | valdyn | jazbo2185: wget http://www.google.com/search?q=pr0n |
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| 18:06.13 | Flimzy | jazbo2185: maybe try links? or w3m? or wget? or a perl library? |
| 18:06.14 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: coo thanks. The never ending wonder of wget.... |
| 18:06.40 | Flimzy | or expect ... telnet... Muwahaha |
| 18:06.48 | simonrvn | ...and have it dump to STDOUT |
| 18:06.54 | simonrvn | -O - IIRC |
| 18:07.27 | dserban | I've looked through logs trying to find if an error is occuring with udev or if my rules are now incompatible with .. this kernel? etc. But alas I cannot find what I'm looking for. Tips? |
| 18:07.41 | valdyn | dserban: check the bts |
| 18:08.10 | Flimzy | Hrm. do I have to install the entire bind package to run just nsupdate?1 |
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| 18:08.36 | rocketmagnet | hi again |
| 18:08.48 | valdyn | Flimzy: i doubt it, didn't mean that literally |
| 18:08.51 | rocketmagnet | !nvidia |
| 18:08.51 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 18:09.05 | rocketmagnet | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:09.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 18:09.15 | valdyn | Flimzy: dnsutils |
| 18:09.22 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: hmmmmm that's giving a 403 forbidden.... |
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| 18:10.14 | dserban | valdyn, what package? |
| 18:10.18 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, whats the difference between the real and effective uid? |
| 18:10.22 | valdyn | jazbo2185: ops, google hates wget |
| 18:10.32 | valdyn | !bts |
| 18:10.33 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:10.48 | Flimzy | valdyn: handy |
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| 18:11.10 | multi_io | I'm trying to find out how to format a trekstor i.Beat censor mp3 player under linux. Is anyone using this player? |
| 18:11.14 | multi_io | mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 -I /dev/sda enables me to copy files onto the player without problems, but when I try to use the player standalone, it always says "no files". =>??? |
| 18:11.42 | multi_io | the manual says you have to format the player using FAT32 under Windows |
| 18:11.50 | abrotman | multi_io: maybe you need /dev/sda1 ? |
| 18:11.53 | multi_io | capacity is 1G |
| 18:12.00 | valdyn | multi_io: why are you using -F / -S ? |
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| 18:12.49 | valdyn | multi_io: why do you think that your player does not use partitions? |
| 18:12.55 | multi_io | valdyn: -F 32 for FAT32, -S because otherwise it says "FAT: logical sector size too small for device (logical sector size = 512)" when trying to mount |
| 18:13.22 | Coke | Hello. Any quick and easy way to convert a bunch of WMA's to OGG? |
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| 18:13.50 | valdyn | Coke: mplayer and oggenc |
| 18:13.57 | Flimzy | Coke: That's probably a really bad idea. |
| 18:14.02 | multi_io | valdyn: I tried using just one big partition, which yielded the same result... |
| 18:14.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, whats the difference between the real and effective uid? |
| 18:14.05 | Flimzy | Coke: Unless you like your OGGs to sound like shit. |
| 18:14.38 | multi_io | ...and as I said, the manual doesn't advise you to create a partition under windows, it tell you to just format the player |
| 18:14.56 | valdyn | multi_io: because the partition is already on it |
| 18:14.57 | multi_io | or does Windows create a partition automatically then? |
| 18:15.00 | dserban | valdyn, thanks :) I know what bts is, I was just wondering if it'd be udev, or the kernel... or pilot-link |
| 18:15.12 | valdyn | multi_io: well, the partition table was probably there before you ran mkfs |
| 18:15.18 | dserban | ie... from my problem I can't decipher what the hell is going wrong |
| 18:15.24 | valdyn | dserban: oh, the kernel i guess |
| 18:15.39 | valdyn | dserban: or udev just the same, one of both is wrong |
| 18:16.11 | RvGaTe | On my server (running debian etch), it cant find the command lspci... what package do i need to install to get this command working ? |
| 18:16.25 | valdyn | !tell RvGaTe -about search |
| 18:16.37 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: after doing the one-liner: do i need to activate the kernel-framebuffer-interface ?? |
| 18:16.42 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: nope |
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| 18:17.22 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: that framebuffer is never used on PCs, should probably be mentioned in drxx... |
| 18:17.29 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: ( or nearly never ) |
| 18:17.55 | rocketmagnet | how to find out which mouse port i'm using at the moment ? |
| 18:18.00 | rocketmagnet | somewhere in /proc ? |
| 18:18.11 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: /dev/input/mice is best |
| 18:18.20 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: that's all mice |
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| 18:19.44 | toptnc | hi all |
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| 18:20.09 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: The real UID is the actual user who's executing the command, the effective UID is the UID that's being used to check permissions. If you run a setuid binary, real UID is you, but effective UID is root. |
| 18:20.32 | multi_io | valdyn: well, that would suck |
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| 18:26.32 | multi_io | is anyone using a trekstor player and can paste the output of fdisk -l for that player? |
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| 18:29.40 | n000b | re all |
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| 18:30.16 | n000b | can you point me to a decent doc on how to alias Helvetica font? |
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| 18:30.25 | EmleyMoor | I have ejabberd running but not listening on lenny - why would that happen? |
| 18:30.27 | n000b | lots of apps seem to depend on this font |
| 18:30.40 | n3kl | Hi. How can I configure my paralell port to talk to a tape drive? |
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| 18:31.40 | iamtim | how can i mount a network share (cifs) in my $HOME without being root and without putting an entry in fstab? |
| 18:32.13 | n3kl | iamtim: suid? |
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| 18:32.49 | jelly | iamtim: generally to mount anything to need to have some admin privileges |
| 18:33.01 | n3kl | iamtim: is cifs better than nfs? |
| 18:33.10 | n3kl | iamtim: er, nevermind |
| 18:33.12 | iamtim | well, i'm trying to connect to a windows server |
| 18:33.15 | n3kl | I was thinking sfs |
| 18:33.40 | jelly | iamtim: If the admin allows you to use FUSE and fusesmb is installed, you can use that. |
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| 18:34.09 | iamtim | k, what i'm trying to do is implement NET USE in wine to map network drives |
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| 18:34.49 | iamtim | jelly, i'll look at that, thanks |
| 18:35.47 | jelly | iamtim: making smbmount suid and giving yourself access should work too |
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| 18:35.59 | concept10 | what options do I have to remotely install debian? |
| 18:36.00 | jelly | *execute access, that is |
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| 18:36.12 | iamtim | yeah, but probably wouldn't be a good way to do it in wine |
| 18:36.29 | jelly | iamtim: that would be more portable than fuse. |
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| 18:37.19 | jelly | iamtim: if you limit yourself to Linux I think fuse is a more elegant solution, though |
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| 18:38.27 | kth` | Kernel config: I've a core2duo, do I need to select SMT scheduler support, multi-core scheduler or both? |
| 18:38.50 | jelly | concept10: netboot? do you already have Linux up? |
| 18:39.02 | jelly | concept10: remote console access? |
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| 18:39.19 | kth` | Does core2duo's 'ht' flag on cpuinfo even counts as P4 hyperthreading? |
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| 18:39.35 | n3kl | What do I need to make a parellel port work in linux? |
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| 18:39.54 | jelly | concept10: actually, never mind me, have to go AFK. |
| 18:39.57 | concept10 | jelly, no, I meant remote from the jump.. im reading now an article about it |
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| 18:40.20 | rvgate_ | \o/ im back :P |
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| 18:45.09 | chops | n3kl: It should work already |
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| 18:55.50 | GuySoft | hi all, i seem to be getting from 'xdpyinfo' that my DPI is 96, and not 75 like i want it to be - what should i do in order to set it right? using debian, xorg and KDE |
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| 18:56.35 | ofir | anyone know if suspend should work OK after a fresh install of etch? |
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| 18:57.35 | GuySoft | ofir i found that suspend works great right after kernel 2.6.20 where it was introduced to the kernel |
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| 18:58.25 | infester | hi guys! i could use some help configuring my /etc/yaboot.conf-file after screwing it up while trying to get bootsplash working |
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| 18:59.22 | infester | what do i need except the image- label- read-only- and initrd- line? |
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| 19:00.26 | ofir | GuySoft: I have 2.6.18. The keyboard suspend button suspends it but resuming from PC button and the screen stay blanked |
| 19:00.41 | GuySoft | 2.6.18 didn't work for me |
| 19:01.11 | ofir | OK |
| 19:01.26 | GuySoft | ah, you are also talking about suspend and not hibernate. that gets stuck at 2.6.18. i am scared to try it at 2.6.20.. i can now.. but i might dissapear |
| 19:02.08 | ofir | I think I'll disable suspend on bios then |
| 19:02.39 | ofir | why only .18 available as stable? I see at kernel.org there is a stable .21 already |
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| 19:03.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.46 | GuySoft | .21 isnt in the debian repositories yet, so i wont know |
| 19:03.49 | wols_ | some day you have to freeze testing |
| 19:04.18 | ferret | hiiguyz, is there any way to skip prerm when trying to reinstall or remove a package? |
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| 19:04.22 | wols_ | and .21 is too new for critical, productive use too |
| 19:04.25 | GuySoft | debian is known to be conservative on upgrades, it will take time |
| 19:04.27 | wols_ | debian isn't only i386... |
| 19:04.38 | infester | How can i use ybin to generate a new yaboot.conf while accessing my system from an installation cd? |
| 19:04.45 | wols_ | ferret: no. but it's not needed to skip |
| 19:04.58 | wols_ | ferret: edit the prerm file if the it is really broken (and file a bug) |
| 19:05.12 | ferret | It's only broken because it uses some broken state. |
| 19:05.19 | wols_ | infester: I don't think yaird is used anymore |
| 19:05.23 | ofir | wols_: so .21 is stable only for i386? |
| 19:05.24 | ferret | Damn. I was hoping for some other way than editing it. |
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| 19:05.53 | derchris | hi |
| 19:05.53 | wols_ | ofir: no. it's for all. but it doesn't meet debians stability reqs on all most probably |
| 19:05.54 | ofir | wols_: there isnt a .20 either I think |
| 19:06.00 | HymnToLife | ofer, .21 won't be in stable at least 'till Lenny is released |
| 19:06.05 | wols_ | ofir: stable is STABLE |
| 19:06.06 | infester | wols_: hmm, do you have any suggestion how to get myself a new yaboot.conf then? i screwed it up trying to add bootsplash |
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| 19:06.14 | HymnToLife | Etch has 2.6.18, it will stay 2.6.18 |
| 19:06.22 | wols_ | there are no changes. and back in autumn last year, there was no .21 or .20 |
| 19:06.30 | wols_ | HymnToLife: it won't |
| 19:06.38 | wols_ | in about half a year there will be a new kernel version |
| 19:06.43 | derchris | is it possible to send a message from the console to a user who is currently logged into gnome ? |
| 19:06.46 | HymnToLife | not for stable |
| 19:06.50 | wols_ | infester: what kernel? |
| 19:06.57 | wols_ | HymnToLife: you are mistaken |
| 19:07.16 | infester | wols_: 2.6.18-4-powerpc |
| 19:07.24 | n3kl | I have loaded the modules for a tape drive, dmesg reports that pt0 will be using parport0 as the device, but when I use mt -f /dev/parport0 status, I get rmtioctl failed. Any ideas why or how I can work around this? |
| 19:07.33 | wols_ | infester: sry. dunno about initrd on ppc. mea culpa |
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| 19:07.42 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure <yaboot deb package> |
| 19:07.51 | wols_ | infester: also dpkg --confmiss |
| 19:08.25 | wols_ | HymnToLife: it's to prevent another happening of debian not installable withnew hardware (see sarge and recent intel mobos) |
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| 19:09.01 | wols_ | n3kl: you need some IDE over parport driver IIRC. custom kernel? |
| 19:09.07 | infester | wols_: i'm having trouble executing those programs :S i've just mounted the root-partition, do i need to make something else? |
| 19:09.17 | wols_ | define "trouble |
| 19:10.19 | scrillaz | how do i log into etch as root? |
| 19:10.24 | n3kl | wols_: no custom kernel. I have these loaded, ppdev,paride,lp,parport_pc,parport. Am I missing something |
| 19:10.38 | wols_ | scrillaz: on the login prompt enter "root" and the root password |
| 19:10.57 | scrillaz | it says i root logins are not allowed |
| 19:11.12 | wols_ | n3kl: I think tapes on parport always were sucky and might have their own protocol. I'd google for the model under linux, for a howto, etc |
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| 19:11.21 | wols_ | scrillaz: via ssh? |
| 19:11.37 | scrillaz | no after booting up |
| 19:11.56 | wols_ | then log in as user and su |
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| 19:12.07 | wols_ | but ti's the first I hear that. what debian version? |
| 19:12.17 | Gryflhase | console, then startx |
| 19:12.26 | Gryflhase | soncole, change to root, then startx |
| 19:12.28 | wols_ | oh, etch |
| 19:12.38 | wols_ | Gryflhase: what for? X as root is not recommended |
| 19:12.47 | n3kl | Anyone have any thoughts as to where I might find a cheap reliable tape drive online? |
| 19:13.02 | n3kl | wols_: thanks |
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| 19:13.21 | Gryflhase | wols: I know, I just awnseree his question, how to do that, I didn't suggest, he should do :) |
| 19:13.21 | wols_ | n3kl: look for something that uses scsi |
| 19:13.26 | scrillaz | to change my sources list to lenny |
| 19:13.35 | wols_ | Gryflhase: where did he ask anything about X? |
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| 19:14.17 | scrillaz | when i open a terminal and su to root i can't run any edit program |
| 19:14.17 | AndroidData | uhh why did I just receive "free porno movies" from a "KamiL" on freenode? |
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| 19:14.30 | wols_ | scrillaz: that's normal and should be like this |
| 19:14.36 | wols_ | scrillaz: use a console. nano is easy to use |
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| 19:14.49 | scrillaz | as root? |
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| 19:15.05 | wols_ | scrillaz: yes |
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| 19:15.29 | AndroidData | OK. The problem: I used Windows w/ some filesystem driver to save a backup (the only one!) to my other harddrive, which had an ext3 filesystem (it ran Linux). |
| 19:15.30 | scrillaz | k will try that |
| 19:15.30 | Gryflhase | wols: Was may thought, 'cause I never had problems lo login as root in console, but coudn't login as root for x (afaik this was sarge...) |
| 19:15.35 | wols_ | !ops kamil is reported as a onjoin spammer |
| 19:15.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: kamil is reported as a onjoin spammer |
| 19:15.39 | AndroidData | But after the switch to Linux, I can't see my files. |
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| 19:15.46 | Gryflhase | -may +my |
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| 19:16.30 | AndroidData | !help |
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| 19:16.45 | wols_ | AndroidData: just ask your question |
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| 19:16.55 | AndroidData | where'd my files go? |
| 19:17.06 | clav | Setting up python-support (0.6.3) ... |
| 19:17.06 | clav | /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-support.postinst: line 8: 3389 Segmentation fault |
| 19:17.11 | wols_ | a intelligen question |
| 19:17.15 | clav | debian testing ?? |
| 19:17.42 | wols_ | what is /var/lib/dpkg/info/python-support.postinst line 8? |
| 19:17.46 | clav | maybe i can delete the .deb and re-download it? |
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| 19:18.26 | clav | i assume its a config file for python-support.deb |
| 19:18.36 | clav | it segfaults on me when i apt-get upgrade |
| 19:18.40 | ofir | why does synaptic ask me to insert the netinst cdrom when I try to install sshd? |
| 19:18.44 | wols_ | it's script. answer my question |
| 19:18.58 | wols_ | ofir: cause you have the netinst CD in your sources.list? |
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| 19:19.11 | clav | right, one sec |
| 19:20.03 | n3kl | dell has tape drives in the $10k range! |
| 19:20.06 | wols_ | so does every other vendor |
| 19:20.07 | Tigger_ | i'm having trouble pinging |
| 19:20.07 | wols_ | DLT drives are not cheap. never where |
| 19:20.08 | wols_ | -h |
| 19:20.08 | n3kl | wols_: wholy crap. |
| 19:20.09 | n3kl | I was looking for something a bit cheaper than that |
| 19:20.09 | ofir | wols_: right :) |
| 19:20.09 | clav | wols_: update-python-modules -b python-support.dirs |
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| 19:20.27 | n3kl | so forget tape, what is a good backup medium? |
| 19:20.47 | denken | n3kl: tape. |
| 19:20.53 | n3kl | denken: ha |
| 19:20.56 | mentor | hard drives are good |
| 19:20.58 | wols_ | clav: ch eck BTS,reinstall python itself, do a dist upgrade. no held back libs |
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| 19:21.03 | denken | for small amounts of data, hard drives are acceptable. |
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| 19:21.10 | Dave_is_sexy | aptitude install g++? |
| 19:21.13 | wols_ | n3kl: for consumers right now: harddisks. externals |
| 19:21.17 | n3kl | denken: my concern is the hard drive crashing |
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| 19:21.24 | denken | n3kl: raid5 |
| 19:21.29 | denken | or raid1 if you prefer |
| 19:21.32 | mentor | Just store them on another site, pipe data to them and don't move them? |
| 19:21.34 | wols_ | denken: for small amounts taiyo yuden DVDs are. harddisks are for big stuff |
| 19:21.34 | clav | wols_: thanks |
| 19:21.40 | wols_ | raid is NO backup |
| 19:21.43 | wols_ | never was |
| 19:21.48 | denken | wols_: when i say big, i mean 100's of terabytes |
| 19:21.55 | wols_ | gmail is a nice backup for smaller things |
| 19:21.56 | n3kl | I have a raid5 network backup server, but I want to put a tape drive on it to take the important data off site |
| 19:22.10 | denken | wols_: no one said raid was a backup |
| 19:22.14 | ofir | how do I make the gdm not to startup after boot? |
| 19:22.15 | wols_ | denken: people with hundreds of terabytes don't flinch at DLT prices |
| 19:22.23 | wols_ | 21:21 < denken> n3kl: raid5 |
| 19:22.56 | mentor | Remember kids, backups defend against at least three different failures: hardware, user, and God. |
| 19:23.00 | mentor | or comets |
| 19:23.00 | mentor | whichever |
| 19:23.03 | Dave_is_sexy | anyone know why aptitude install g++ returns 0? |
| 19:23.23 | denken | wols_: he said he was worried about the reliability of disk backup. so you use raid5 under that to protect against disk failure. |
| 19:23.26 | denken | christ youre dense. |
| 19:23.27 | mentor | Dave_is_sexy: it succeeded? |
| 19:23.28 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: it will print something, right? |
| 19:23.45 | mentor | denken: Less of that |
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| 19:24.11 | denken | mentor: youre right |
| 19:24.27 | denken | wols_: sorry i shouldnt be insulting |
| 19:24.30 | denken | long day |
| 19:24.34 | denken | dealing with backups no less ;) |
| 19:24.40 | wols_ | denken: next time you call me dense (and yes I am), first see me make the same error 3 times. k? |
| 19:25.12 | Dave_is_sexy | mentor: what succeeded? i just wanna know why "aptitude install g++" didn' twork |
| 19:25.24 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: it gives some output. what is that output? |
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| 19:25.38 | mentor | Dave_is_sexy: Usually a '0' return code indicates success. |
| 19:25.42 | lws | a return code of 32? |
| 19:25.45 | wols_ | and generally with Unix software, a exit code of 0 means "all went well" |
| 19:25.58 | lws | mentor: are you sure about that? :P |
| 19:26.06 | Dave_is_sexy | mentor: no i mean i found 0 packages. no interesting output |
| 19:26.17 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: apt-cache policy g++ |
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| 19:27.02 | Dave_is_sexy | oh it says i have it :) ...but my uber-build compile failed cos it couldn't find it |
| 19:27.04 | wols_ | lws: I resent your ASCII centric views btw |
| 19:27.16 | mentor | uber-- |
| 19:27.16 | wols_ | dpkg -L g++ |
| 19:27.16 | dpkg | ii g++ 1.8-13.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 19:27.54 | wols_ | Dave_is_sexy: paste your build output then |
| 19:28.00 | Dave_is_sexy | nobody actually knows about gEDA here do they? it's a freekin pain to get working |
| 19:28.09 | ofir | how do I make the gdm not to startup after boot? |
| 19:28.20 | ofir | or any daemon |
| 19:28.26 | wols_ | since Dave_is_sexy is ignoring me, I will ignore him too now I guess |
| 19:28.32 | mentor | ofir: /etc/default/x-display-manager |
| 19:28.34 | mentor | ? |
| 19:28.40 | wols_ | !tell ofir about sysvinit |
| 19:28.46 | Dave_is_sexy | http://pastebin.ca/467870 |
| 19:28.49 | wols_ | mentor: "any dameon" :) |
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| 19:29.07 | infester | wols_: my /proc/ directory does not exist in my chrooted system, and im sure i dont have it on a separate partition, do you know how i can access it? |
| 19:29.13 | tnks | googling for "quilt" is a nightmare. just trying to find out if there's popular alternatives. |
| 19:29.18 | n3kl | blue ray might work for backup |
| 19:29.31 | tnks | any suggestions? |
| 19:29.35 | mentor | infester: proc has its own filesystem |
| 19:29.40 | wols_ | infester: proc is a pseudo fs which exports kernel data. so all you'd see is the kernel you booted from |
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| 19:29.51 | tnks | quilt seems to work nicely, but I'm open to playing around with other patch management systems. |
| 19:30.04 | infester | oh, so i cannot run programs requiring access to /proc/ in a chrooted system? |
| 19:30.24 | wols_ | infester: if you can live with the different kernel you can I think |
| 19:31.07 | infester | but after i chrooted /proc/ is empty |
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| 19:31.56 | wintix | infester: you need to mount it. |
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| 19:32.29 | infester | i cant find it using fdisk /dev/hda :( |
| 19:32.37 | Gryfelhase | Hi.... There are 3 cds_NR_1 for etch, a a standard, kde and xfce-version. I found out, that I can't install with the xfce-version just the basesystem without x etc.... or did I miss a thing? |
| 19:32.51 | wintix | infester: it's a pseudo filesystem. |
| 19:32.57 | wintix | infester: it's not really here. |
| 19:32.59 | mentor | infester: no, it's a virtual/pseudo filesystem |
| 19:33.09 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: why can't you use the normal installer and use apt-get install? |
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| 19:33.32 | wintix | infester: 'mount -t proc proc /proc' |
| 19:33.43 | scrillaz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:33.44 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: tried expert install btw? |
| 19:33.50 | infester | oh, thanks! |
| 19:34.08 | holycow | guys, i have a debian install on a sata drive where the devices are sdx ... i'm moving this to an ata based machine where all nodes are hdx. i've managed to manually change all the mount points in fstab and /boot but i notice that grub will revert the menu.lst file back to sdx devices occasionally. would anyone know if grub has a method to MAKE SURE that said device settings are as per file? |
| 19:34.32 | Gryfelhase | wols.... hm.... I guess I didn't tried expert-install..... ok, I'll try... |
| 19:34.37 | wols_ | holycow: edit menu.lst |
| 19:34.58 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: getting a xfce installer and not installing it would be kinda strange, no? |
| 19:35.09 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: and it won't do anything else than apt-get install xfce would |
| 19:35.16 | khermans_ | anyone know how to get egcs64 (sparc64-linux-gcc) installed? |
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| 19:36.02 | infester | hmm :/ i get kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 19:36.18 | Gryfelhase | wols: I don't have it on hd anymore, but afaik it installed other apps to, if I'm not totally wrong |
| 19:36.23 | wols_ | isn't egcs years old and obsolte now? |
| 19:36.26 | clav | how can i purge and reinstall python support when there's dependancies |
| 19:36.52 | wols_ | clav: nothing in BTS? |
| 19:37.07 | clav | wols_: no nothing recent anyway |
| 19:37.15 | Gryfelhase | and I don't want to install ANYTHING, just because I use the default cd-nr1, for example.... :) |
| 19:37.18 | khermans_ | wols_, what replaces it? |
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| 19:37.38 | wintix | Gryfelhase: just quit after the base-install. |
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| 19:37.43 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: xfce installs something. netinstall only installs the really needed base system |
| 19:37.49 | khermans_ | wols_, i mean, how can i get 'sparc64-linux-gcc' |
| 19:37.56 | hardzzzz | hi persons... |
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| 19:38.04 | wols_ | this coupled with apt-get is the surest way only to install needed stuff (just ignore tasksel) |
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| 19:38.10 | Gryfelhase | wols: Netinstall coudn't detect my usb-wlanstick |
| 19:38.16 | tarragon | Which file do I need to put "ifconfig eth0 down" into so that the NIC is down when the system boots? |
| 19:38.28 | wols_ | !tell khermans_ about b-e |
| 19:38.29 | chops | khermans_: I believe egcs is years obselete now |
| 19:38.31 | wols_ | works on sparc too |
| 19:38.41 | wintix | tarragon: modify /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:38.43 | wols_ | tarragon: none. man interfaces |
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| 19:38.55 | Gryfelhase | I had to compile the tgz under sarge for the driver |
| 19:39.14 | clav | wols_: no wait a sec, i missed something |
| 19:39.17 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: this is normal. do you think xfce would be better? |
| 19:39.24 | tarragon | Thanks I will go and look up those. |
| 19:39.31 | jazbo2185 | Say I've got a pipe that's outputing a bunch of text. Somewhere in that text is "foo <b>somenumber</b>". I want to write sumnumber to a file. I'm sure there's a million ways to do this but what's a nice simple way? |
| 19:39.39 | wols_ | tarragon: just remove the "auto" line for tha t interface |
| 19:39.59 | wintix | jazbo2185: write a perl script :) |
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| 19:40.30 | wols_ | jazbo2185: grep and sed will work too. if that is simple is in the eye of the beholder |
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| 19:40.46 | wols_ | jazbo2185: whatever you use it will involve regex btw |
| 19:40.55 | chops | jazbo2185: pipeproc | perl -pe 's/^foo \<b\>(.*)\<\/b\>/$1/ or $_ = "";' |
| 19:41.02 | chops | jazbo2185: Use at your own risk :-) |
| 19:41.17 | jazbo2185 | K thanks folks |
| 19:41.37 | Gryfelhase | no, I just lied it, if the xfce-disk had ask me, if want install xfce by default - i thought the default for the standard-cd was not to use gnome |
| 19:41.44 | Gryfelhase | liked -lied |
| 19:41.58 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: the default netinstall won't install anything except base unless you tell it to |
| 19:42.03 | Gryfelhase | -by default +optional |
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| 19:43.16 | Gryfelhase | wols: What happens, if netinstall don't find a network-card? Is then the base-system installed on my harddisc? |
| 19:43.28 | wols_ | Gryfelhase: yes |
| 19:43.59 | Gryfelhase | ah.... ok.... then I try it again, i downloaded netinstall so far |
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| 19:44.04 | wols_ | network is only needed for additional things (that show up in tasksel) |
| 19:44.30 | wols_ | do you need a compiler for making your wlan work? |
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| 19:44.37 | infester | wols_: i suspect my initrd to be the "causer" of my kernel panic, (its about mounting rootfs), how can i get myself a new initrd? reinstalling the kernel? |
| 19:44.56 | khermans_ | wols_, what is b-e, binary emulation? |
| 19:44.57 | wols_ | never used intird if I can help it |
| 19:45.14 | khermans_ | wols_, that wont help me since i need to test kernel hooking software |
| 19:45.16 | wols_ | all my kernels were non intird (can you see how I'm biased against initrd?) |
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| 19:45.29 | wols_ | khermans_: have you read what dpkg msged you? |
| 19:45.33 | ditoa | what is the best intro to linux book? |
| 19:45.34 | clav | wols_: ya, bug #418353 is sorta related, but doesn't mention the update-python-modules segfault |
| 19:45.42 | wols_ | ditoa: OT |
| 19:46.00 | ditoa | fair enough, i will pop to #linux |
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| 19:46.04 | clav | wols_: how would i purge and reinstall python-support? |
| 19:46.07 | khermans_ | wols_, yes of coure, i have build-essential installed |
| 19:46.15 | infester | wols_: heh ok :P but to use a non initrd kernel i have to compile it myself, correct? |
| 19:46.15 | khermans_ | wols_, me != n00b |
| 19:46.21 | wols_ | !noob |
| 19:46.21 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 19:46.28 | wols_ | infester: yes |
| 19:46.41 | wols_ | khermans_: b-e installs gcc and g++. why do you need egcs? |
| 19:46.42 | nunu | is the nvidia driver in sid buggy too ? somehow I think I messed up everything now oO well I'll just wait a few days bevor trying my own kernel again |
| 19:46.53 | infester | :) wols_ everybody keeps telling me "no need to compile your own kernel" :P |
| 19:47.00 | wols_ | nunu: it is always buggy... it's closed source :) |
| 19:47.09 | h3sp4wn | nunu: no problems with the nvidia driver in sid for me (amd64) |
| 19:47.10 | wols_ | infester: and they are right :) |
| 19:47.26 | khermans_ | wols_, i am trying to run Solaris 8/9 under qemu, but that requires OpenBIOS, which needs to be compiled and requires sparc64-linux-gcc |
| 19:47.33 | infester | jaja, i'll do it the wols_ way this time :) |
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| 19:47.51 | nunu | h3sp4wn, but with a realtime kernel I think you would have those probs ;) |
| 19:47.52 | khermans_ | wols_, i want to run SPARC64 versions of solaris |
| 19:47.55 | wols_ | khermans_: so you need a crosscompiler? |
| 19:48.04 | khermans_ | wols_, yes |
| 19:48.23 | wols_ | then why didn't yous ay so? afaik there is only mingw (for windows) crosscompiler in debian |
| 19:48.25 | khermans_ | wols_, i have cross compiled a few times using mingw and also using -m32 on x64_64 |
| 19:48.27 | wols_ | no sparc64 one |
| 19:48.41 | wols_ | just not enough sparc users... :) |
| 19:48.45 | khermans_ | hrm |
| 19:48.47 | khermans_ | :-( |
| 19:48.51 | h3sp4wn | the emdebian project has some toolchains |
| 19:49.09 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: sparc? kinda strange embedded system ;) |
| 19:49.19 | khermans_ | wols_, but i even searched packages.debian.org under SPARC for that binary, and it was not found |
| 19:49.23 | wols_ | but I guess if the CPUs are slow enough and Sun gets desperate enough... :) |
| 19:49.44 | wols_ | khermans_: egcs is OLD and obsolete for years |
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| 19:49.49 | h3sp4wn | wols_: They have them all |
| 19:49.54 | wols_ | gcc and g++ however are available on all supported debian platforms |
| 19:49.56 | khermans_ | wols_, well old > void |
| 19:50.03 | wols_ | in software? get real |
| 19:50.09 | wols_ | there is no reason to sue egcs |
| 19:50.18 | wols_ | *use |
| 19:50.30 | chops | khermans_: If you want a cross-compiler, there are a lot of howtos on how to make them |
| 19:50.30 | khermans_ | wols_, right but maybe egcs had a sparc64 cross compiler |
| 19:50.42 | khermans_ | chops, ok then i will seek them |
| 19:50.45 | chops | khermans_: Modern Debian systems can easily build a cross-compiling toolchain for you |
| 19:50.59 | wols_ | and it will do so with gcc as it should |
| 19:51.01 | chops | khermans_: I suspect you'll have a lot more luck with that than trying to get ecgs to work on a modern system |
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| 19:51.26 | nerd_boy | Does the standard Debian distro have a standby command? |
| 19:51.26 | khermans_ | chops, i was just following the OpenBIOS build instructions |
| 19:51.41 | chops | khermans_: Instructions get out of date sometimes :-( |
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| 19:51.43 | khermans_ | thx for help |
| 19:51.45 | clav | so the root of my problem is update-python-modules from python-support-0.6.3 segfaults |
| 19:51.47 | chops | khermans_: np |
| 19:51.50 | clav | how can i swap it out? |
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| 19:52.12 | h3sp4wn | wols_: Actually they don't have sparc64 (Debian doesn't support it as an arch I guess) |
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| 19:52.23 | wols_ | ;/ |
| 19:52.34 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: but they do have sparc? |
| 19:52.36 | clav | dpgk -i python-support-0.6.3.deb segfaults cause it uses update-python-modules |
| 19:52.38 | h3sp4wn | wols_: yes |
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| 19:53.07 | xingu | it's dead simple to bootstrap gcc these days |
| 19:53.10 | chops | h3sp4wn: Debian has partial sparc64 support, see http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
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| 19:53.18 | wols_ | clav: what package installs update-python-modules? |
| 19:53.19 | xingu | I had to do it about four days ago at work. |
| 19:53.38 | clav | wols_: python-support |
| 19:53.44 | h3sp4wn | chops: no 64 bit userland |
| 19:53.53 | wols_ | clav: install a different version then? |
| 19:54.29 | chops | h3sp4wn: Yes, but that's irrelevant to compiling a sparc64-targeted gcc (unless I'm missing something, which is possible) |
| 19:54.45 | sparrw | I have a Xentera GT 4 video card with two Radeon Mobility 9000 GPUs. Each GPU can drive two monitors (and/or one TV). I can point the X.org vesa driver at PCI 6:1:0 and 6:2:0 and get two monitors plus two clones to work, but not 4 independent displays. The old ATI proprietary driver might work, but it requires an older version of X.org than I have. The new ATI driver says i have no cards. Help? |
| 19:55.10 | clav | wols_: but the install uses update-python-modules so even a dpkg -i will segfault |
| 19:55.32 | wols_ | remove that package and isntall a different one |
| 19:55.37 | wols_ | or use strace (probably better) |
| 19:55.43 | h3sp4wn | chops: I was speaking about pre existing toolchains at emdebian - forget it |
| 19:55.43 | valdyn | sparrw: the xorg ati driver might not know your card's pci id, you can still force it to run your cards, if it supports the chips |
| 19:55.45 | wols_ | to see where it fails. most probably a lib |
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| 19:55.55 | wols_ | it could very well also be a hardware failure |
| 19:56.19 | sparrw | valdyn: xorg ati driver behaves same as the vesa driver. two working displays and two clones |
| 19:56.35 | Code-E | Hi, I just installed debian(awesome linux distro mostly) and I am trying to do apt-get update as root(i did su) and i am getting E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 19:56.41 | valdyn | sparrw: well, that's good |
| 19:56.44 | chops | sparrw: bts? |
| 19:56.48 | valdyn | sparrw: it clones by default i suppose |
| 19:56.52 | Code-E | I am wondering how i can fix that error^ |
| 19:56.56 | chops | Code-E: You've got another process using the apt database (dselect open, apt-get running, something like that) |
| 19:57.13 | sparrw | valdyn: seems to be the case |
| 19:57.30 | wols_ | Code-E: some other process has the lock |
| 19:57.36 | sparrw | valdyn: the 'second display' on each gpu are at 6:1:1 and 6:2:1, but X just dies at initialization if i reference those |
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| 19:58.08 | valdyn | sparrw: dies with which error? |
| 19:58.20 | sparrw | ill have to duplicate it and write it down |
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| 19:58.32 | sparrw | saving up all the must-restart-X questions :) |
| 19:58.36 | geo-rge | Hi. I want to find out more about the kde sound system... specifically, is it possible to get it to create and open a jack connection anytime it wants to open a sound connection |
| 19:58.43 | ofir | damn crushy suspend button on keyboard |
| 19:58.59 | h3sp4wn | nunu: Why do you need a real time kernel ? jackd ? |
| 19:59.02 | sigjuice | Hi. I'm having trouble setting up a 32-bit sid chroot. |
| 19:59.02 | ofir | crushed me again |
| 19:59.09 | sigjuice | I tried debootstrap --arch i386 sid /var/chroot/sid-ia32 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 19:59.09 | valdyn | sparrw: your chips should have excellent support by X, i just dont know enough to tell if 2 chips on 1 card could make problems, i think not |
| 19:59.22 | sigjuice | and got W: Failure trying to run: chroot /var/chroot/sid-ia32 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 19:59.24 | nunu | yes its for jackd h3sp4wn |
| 19:59.59 | geo-rge | nunu: whacha doin with jack? :) |
| 20:00.02 | Gryfelhase | I understand the boot-parameter of noapic, but what exactly does nolapic? Is no lapic the laptop-version of noapic or should I use it additional? (The laptop is old and the isa-soundcard isn't detected by alsaconf) |
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| 20:00.26 | ofir | how do I disable the suspend button on keyboard? |
| 20:00.29 | sparrw | valdyn: they are mostly distinct as seen by the OS... if i can get the second display on one chip working then i can do the other |
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| 20:00.39 | valdyn | Gryfelhase: its probably 'noacpi' |
| 20:00.42 | sparrw | ofir: whats your window manager? |
| 20:00.43 | valdyn | Gryfelhase: read again.. |
| 20:00.54 | ofir | gnome |
| 20:00.55 | StucKman | valdyn: noapic of acpi=off |
| 20:00.58 | wintix | ofir: unsolder it? |
| 20:01.17 | nunu | just playing around =) with my base-guitare,.. recording some "samples" with friends ,.. or just having fun while putting everything through creox :D |
| 20:01.37 | ofir | wintix: that's a plan |
| 20:01.43 | Gryfelhase | no, not acpi... acpi = powermanagment, I'm talking of more interupts |
| 20:01.49 | valdyn | StucKman: right.. |
| 20:02.00 | nunu | took me 4 month to make my kernel,.. and now wine has problems with it and nividia too :(,.. |
| 20:02.01 | StucKman | Gryfelhase: noapic, then |
| 20:02.02 | valdyn | Gryfelhase: might be the same for your box, see kernel-parameters.txt |
| 20:02.13 | StucKman | nunu: wine? |
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| 20:02.45 | Gryfelhase | and what is nolapic good for? (just out of interrest) |
| 20:02.58 | valdyn | sparrw: the wm should be totally unrelated to getting X working |
| 20:02.59 | nunu | yes when I opened something with wine,.. my xserver crashed ... with the original kernel by debian everything works great again |
| 20:03.15 | clav | is there a recommended way to reinstall python other than apt-get remove; apt-get install ? |
| 20:03.18 | valdyn | sparrw: though there's wm's that don't support this setup and just get in your way |
| 20:03.19 | StucKman | nunu: strange |
| 20:03.24 | nunu | yes |
| 20:03.24 | nunu | ^^ |
| 20:03.30 | StucKman | maybe it's the nvidia driver, dunno |
| 20:03.30 | sparrw | valdyn: he asked about disabling the standby button :) |
| 20:03.46 | StucKman | clav: apt-get install --reinstall? |
| 20:04.29 | valdyn | Gryfelhase: no local apic, that's for systems with multiple apics i guess |
| 20:04.32 | geo-rge | wow... it took 4 months for your computer to build your kernel? whatcha got, a sun sparc without cache? :) |
| 20:04.58 | nunu | thats why I'll just sit and wait ^^ maybee it will work again someday :) I guess thats what you get by using sid =) at least sometimes :) |
| 20:05.07 | clav | StucKman: will that remove dependencies and redownload/configure them ? |
| 20:05.17 | StucKman | clav: no, just that package |
| 20:05.22 | nunu | geo-rge, no no ^^ It takes about 20 minutes ;) |
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| 20:05.35 | geo-rge | oh, what took 4 months? |
| 20:05.48 | clav | StucKman: will it redownload that package or just reconfigure it? |
| 20:05.57 | nunu | but I'm a noob,.. so it took 4 month until I got no errors and my kernel actually booted ^^ |
| 20:05.58 | Flimzy | Urg. I cannot get stupid nsupdate to work |
| 20:06.00 | Dave_is_sexy | what's the pacakge name for the kernel headers? |
| 20:06.03 | StucKman | redownload, reinstall and reconfigure |
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| 20:06.08 | StucKman | clav: ^^^^ |
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| 20:06.12 | h3sp4wn | nunu: I wouldn't use sid for running jackd again (I got it working perfectly) and then next time I wanted to use it it wasn't working properly |
| 20:06.16 | n3kl | valdyn: or faulty/incompatible ones |
| 20:06.23 | clav | StucKman: thanks i'll try that first |
| 20:06.30 | valdyn | Flimzy: got your .key yet? |
| 20:06.32 | StucKman | Dave_is_sexy: kernel-headers-<version> |
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| 20:06.55 | Dave_is_sexy | stuckman: awesome. ta. |
| 20:06.58 | nunu | h3sp4wn, I compiled jackd myself .. worked better for me somehow |
| 20:06.59 | Flimzy | valydn: Yup. Followed two different HOWTOs, and various parts of the official bind9 docs. My update attempts are refused, tho. |
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| 20:07.14 | StucKman | Dave_is_sexy: or linux-headers, I got lost in the name change |
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| 20:07.27 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: also consider which kernel headers version and/or machine type you want to use |
| 20:07.35 | ofir | anyone? how to disable suspend? |
| 20:07.48 | clav | crap! my python segfaults on me!! |
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| 20:08.00 | StucKman | ofir: suspend at all or just the button? the first: I think you can play with acpi there |
| 20:08.05 | valdyn | Flimzy: and a dnskeys.conf file? |
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| 20:08.11 | geo-rge | the typical most used, is the headers for the kernel you're running right now (which implies it was built into a kernel .deb package) |
| 20:08.14 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: oh i don't know anything about that yet. i'm just doing what terminal tells me ;) |
| 20:08.15 | h3sp4wn | nunu: There was nothing wrong with the way jackd was compiled just to get it working at 2ms latency and properly there is too many variables with sid |
| 20:08.22 | Flimzy | valdyn: Yeah, I have include "/etc/bind/keys.conf"; in my named.conf. |
| 20:08.27 | StucKman | clav: is oyur python or some python program? can you just run the interpreter? |
| 20:08.37 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: oh, ok... new debian install? |
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| 20:08.57 | Flimzy | valdyn: It has a single entry: key flimzy.flimzy.com { algorithm HMAC-MD5; secret "blah blah"; }; |
| 20:08.58 | clav | StucKman: its debian testing python, interpretor segfaults |
| 20:08.59 | geo-rge | you're just now setting up debian? |
| 20:09.01 | buscon | Hi, is there a way to edit files with ftp on the fly? like cadaver command line... |
| 20:09.13 | nunu | h3sp4wn, maybee,.. like I said I'm a noob , I dunno nothing ^^ |
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| 20:09.25 | Flimzy | valdyn: And then allow-update { key flimzy.flimzy.com.; } in the zone definition. |
| 20:09.29 | ofir | StucKman: i don't think I mind how |
| 20:09.36 | nunu | goodbye e1 |
| 20:09.40 | StucKman | buscon: kate can do it, as most of the kde stuff. |
| 20:09.45 | geo-rge | nunu: that won't always be true... and even gurus dont' know everything |
| 20:09.46 | clav | $python - Segmentation fault |
| 20:09.57 | ofir | but what happens now is that I accedently press the button on my keyboard and I can't wake it up |
| 20:09.59 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: a few days old, but a lot ha happened to it since then. i just a learning exercise to see if this can be my main os. right now i'm trying to set up ndiswrapper and it says " Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build" |
| 20:10.01 | abrotman | geo-rge: ? |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | JIM! |
| 20:10.06 | fdisix | Is etch biarch? I read a long time ago (right after Sarge came out) it was going to be. Did that happen? |
| 20:10.07 | h3sp4wn | nunu: If I want to use it again I will use 64studio on a seperate partition |
| 20:10.08 | buscon | StucKman, I know but I was looking for a command line tool |
| 20:10.09 | clav | iU python 2.4.4-2 |
| 20:10.11 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 20:10.12 | dpkg | i guess multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 20:10.21 | StucKman | clav: how nice. can you run it under gdb? |
| 20:10.22 | webmind | hhhu |
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| 20:10.29 | geo-rge | abrotman: shhh you :P |
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| 20:10.37 | abrotman | geo-rge: you've been hiding :) |
| 20:10.40 | mmmmmmmmm | how can i reinstall an debian package properly |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
| 20:10.54 | geo-rge | and I fully intend to continue doing so :P |
| 20:11.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: and the same key on your client for nsupdate -k ? |
| 20:11.20 | Flimzy | valdyn: Aye. |
| 20:11.22 | abrotman | geo-rge: hehe |
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| 20:11.34 | geo-rge | abrotman: anyway how ya doing |
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| 20:11.39 | StucKman | mmmmmmmmm: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 20:11.50 | abrotman | geo-rge: busy! |
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| 20:12.00 | abrotman | geo-rge: BUSY .. BUSY BEE! |
| 20:12.02 | mutantpineapple | ha, i didn't realise mmmmmmmmm was a person |
| 20:12.11 | mutantpineapple | i just thought StucKman was really into reinstalls |
| 20:12.23 | valdyn | Flimzy: that's all as far as i can recall |
| 20:12.31 | mmmmmmmmm | what if i also removed the init.d file for that package |
| 20:12.33 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: what's your present learning path/exercise? |
| 20:12.33 | Flimzy | valdyn: syslog shows: update 'dyn.flimzy.com/IN' denied |
| 20:12.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: restarting bind does not show any issues either? |
| 20:12.43 | mmmmmmmmm | because it doesn't install that again |
| 20:12.45 | Flimzy | No, bind9 restarts cleanly. |
| 20:12.45 | valdyn | Flimzy: uh |
| 20:12.52 | Dave_is_sexy | stuckman: no packages contain kernel-headers or linux-headers |
| 20:12.53 | StucKman | mmmmmmmmm: it should |
| 20:13.02 | valdyn | Flimzy: that zone is flimzy.com, not flimzy.flimzy.com |
| 20:13.07 | Flimzy | Do I need to enable dynamic updates globally or something? |
| 20:13.11 | Flimzy | The zone is dyn.flimzy.com. |
| 20:13.13 | geo-rge | abrotman: hmm, that's probably a good thing, ya? "_ |
| 20:13.15 | Flimzy | the key is flimzy.flimzy.com. |
| 20:13.17 | mmmmmmmmm | it doesn't... |
| 20:13.18 | StucKman | mmmmmmmmm: are you sure you're trying the right package? try apt-file |
| 20:13.21 | xand | Why Hello |
| 20:13.32 | geo-rge | Because Greeting |
| 20:13.35 | valdyn | Flimzy: doesnt make sense |
| 20:13.56 | clav | StucKman: can't get it to go, says its not in executable format |
| 20:13.57 | valdyn | Flimzy: to set dyn.flimzy.com you need to set it up to update the zone flimzy.com |
| 20:14.05 | StucKman | clav: ! |
| 20:14.06 | Flimzy | The zone defintion reads (abreviated): zone "dyn.flimzy.com" { type master; file "..."; allow-update { key flimzy.flimzy.com.; }; }; |
| 20:14.20 | valdyn | Flimzy: yea that cant work |
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| 20:14.23 | StucKman | clav: I would suggest to go into single mode and fsck your parittion |
| 20:14.25 | abrotman | geo-rge: no .. too busy |
| 20:14.25 | Flimzy | valdyn: dyn.flimzy.com is its own zone. |
| 20:14.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: you could only set HOSTX.dyn.flimzy.com |
| 20:14.38 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: well the current exercise is to see if i can get my wireless card going ;), after that it's so test gEDA as a production tool, but that will require me to increase the partition size, which will be another test of capability (probably with gparted, since i don't think cfdisk can risize and retain data) |
| 20:14.44 | geo-rge | ahh, they're givin yue muny tho, rite? :) |
| 20:14.54 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 20:15.03 | clav | StucKman: i really think its a dependancy thing though, i hadn't apt-get upgraded in months, everything but python seems fine |
| 20:15.09 | valdyn | Flimzy: unless that is what you're doing anyway.. |
| 20:15.10 | Flimzy | valdyn: Right. I'm attempting to do an update add rhince.dyn.flimzy.com. 3600 A 68.102.125.168 |
| 20:15.25 | valdyn | Flimzy: ok |
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| 20:15.33 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: ahh, ok... so what kernel thing do you have to do for that? |
| 20:15.37 | valdyn | Flimzy: is there an entry already for that name? |
| 20:15.37 | Flimzy | I guess I could try doing it straight in the flimzy.com zone |
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| 20:15.43 | Flimzy | valdyn: No. |
| 20:15.44 | fdisix | abrotman, so, is that a yes? The stuff in the mailing list and that wiki page all refer to etch, and none say if it was implemented or not. |
| 20:15.44 | valdyn | Flimzy: you'd have to delete that one first |
| 20:15.47 | valdyn | Flimzy: ok |
| 20:15.51 | clav | StucKman: iU python 2.4.4-2 <- ?? |
| 20:16.27 | geo-rge | abrotman: I'm typically running around everywhere like a headless chicken... definitely busy |
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| 20:18.50 | Flimzy | valdyn: I' |
| 20:18.51 | Flimzy | valdyn: I'd like a separate zone for my dynamic stuff so that I can continue to edit my static zone file with a text editor. |
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| 20:18.52 | valdyn | Flimzy: yea, i see, nothing wrong with it |
| 20:18.53 | Flimzy | valdyn: Then I'll create CNAMEs as I see fit to the dynamic zone... foo.flimzy.com CNAME foo.dyn.flimzy.com. |
| 20:19.00 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: ndiswrapper wants kernelheaders to 'make' |
| 20:19.51 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: ok... had you programmed in C enough to know the parts of the compiler and the phases of compilation? |
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| 20:19.57 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: so the chain of things to do before i can even load my driver file is getting quite long |
| 20:20.01 | geo-rge | (in a nondetailed way) |
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| 20:20.28 | valdyn | Flimzy: full name of your key file ? |
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| 20:20.34 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: no i don't know C. At all. |
| 20:20.41 | geo-rge | ok... |
| 20:20.50 | Flimzy | valdyn: On the machine running nsupdate: Kflimzy.flimzy.com.+157+24836.private |
| 20:21.10 | valdyn | Flimzy: also right |
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| 20:21.28 | Flimzy | This isn't possibly a permissions issue, is it? I'd expect another error if that was the case... |
| 20:21.36 | Flimzy | NTM, permissions _look_ good to me anyway |
| 20:21.36 | Flimzy | heh |
| 20:21.48 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: i think installing kernel headers and sources will suffice right now. i'd just like to get off the floor by the router |
| 20:21.59 | valdyn | Flimzy: -rw------- 1 root root 81 2. Feb 2006 Kvaldyn.us.to.+157+28987.private |
| 20:21.59 | geo-rge | that info can be helpful altho it's possible to do what you're doing without knowing that... but when problems crop up it's helpful to know which phase of compilation has produced the error so you can guess the problem more |
| 20:22.28 | Dave_is_sexy | (which needs wireless, which needs my driver, which needs ndiswrapper, which needs making, which needs kernel bits) |
| 20:22.37 | Flimzy | valdyn: Yup. And the zone file is owned by root.dinb and -rw-rw-r-- |
| 20:22.47 | Flimzy | s/root.dinb/root.bind/ |
| 20:22.51 | geo-rge | right... |
| 20:22.52 | Flimzy | wow, I'm dyslexic today |
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| 20:22.56 | valdyn | Flimzy: my updates all happen inside the same host so if there's something to be done to allow remote hosts, i couldn't just look this up |
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| 20:23.06 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: i was hoping problems would not pop up :) |
| 20:23.11 | Flimzy | valdyn: Hmm. |
| 20:23.11 | geo-rge | you would need sources if you intend to build up a new kernel... |
| 20:23.56 | Flimzy | Well bind9 gets the request, or else it wouldn't log a failure |
| 20:23.56 | Flimzy | maybe that's not enough, tho |
| 20:23.56 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: i don't think i want to do that do i? my error is: Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build; |
| 20:24.04 | geo-rge | if you want to "build a module" against the kernel you are now running, you need to know the version of that kernel... type uname -r |
| 20:24.11 | mmmmmmmmm | i manually deleted some directories of a package, reinstall is not working like expected... how can i solve this? |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | mmmmmmmmm: like from /etc/ |
| 20:24.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 20:24.22 | hermogenes | install ndiswrapper with module assistant: m-a prepare ndiswrapper and m-a install ndiswrapper |
| 20:24.24 | mmmmmmmmm | yes |
| 20:24.32 | abrotman | !tell mmmmmmmmm about confmiss |
| 20:24.34 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:24.51 | mmmmmmmmm | also from /var/lib en /usr/share |
| 20:24.52 | xuser | Where can i see the default debian kernel config? |
| 20:25.11 | valdyn | xuser: do you have a debian kernel installed? |
| 20:25.11 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: so you'd want to get kernel-headers-(that thing) or kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:25.25 | xuser | valdyn: I installed linux-source |
| 20:25.34 | valdyn | xuser: that's source , not kernel |
| 20:25.38 | valdyn | xuser: uname -r |
| 20:25.42 | geo-rge | module-assistant could help you with that |
| 20:25.44 | xand | sauce |
| 20:25.53 | geo-rge | oh and by the way I screwed up the name... |
| 20:26.01 | xuser | valdyn: Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:26.08 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: so you'd want to get linux-headers-(that thing) or linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:26.13 | valdyn | xuser: more /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 20:26.37 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ta, will check |
| 20:26.46 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: ah. will check too |
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| 20:26.53 | hermogenes | for module-assistant installation see: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 20:27.00 | xuser | valdyn: thanks. |
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| 20:28.13 | Flimzy | valdyn: For whatever it's worth, I get the exact same error when I use an obviously invalid key file (like, say, /etc/passwd) |
| 20:28.21 | Dave_is_sexy | ok, it's just being really slow for a few minutes.... |
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| 20:28.55 | Dave_is_sexy | (building a tag database, which really seems unnecessary, since i never query it) |
| 20:28.59 | mmmmmmmmm | thx abrotman |
| 20:28.59 | Flimzy | and I get the same error when running the nsupdate command locally, too |
| 20:29.03 | Flimzy | so I don't think it's a remote access issue |
| 20:29.11 | mmmmmmmmm | didn't solve anything but my etc files are back |
| 20:29.18 | valdyn | Flimzy: broken keys? |
| 20:29.29 | Flimzy | valdyn: hmm. maybe. I could regenerate them. |
| 20:30.19 | Dave_is_sexy | aptitude install module-assistant says there are 0 packages. |
| 20:30.20 | aptitude | that's too long, Dave_is_sexy |
| 20:30.27 | wedgeV | i setup my dhcp server to assign 10.1.0.4 to my server, and the server successfully gets the ip, but "ifconfig" doesnt show it... i only see a 169.254.xxx.xxx adress |
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| 20:30.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know the name of the standart tool for reading pdf files in gnome ? |
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| 20:31.09 | wedgeV | rocketmagnet: evince i think |
| 20:31.12 | Darmic | where do i get the gnome 2.18 bins? are they out allready? |
| 20:31.18 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:31.45 | chops | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.52 | Flimzy | valdyn: same trouble with new keys |
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| 20:32.34 | valdyn | Flimzy: nsupdate -k randomfile should give a 'file not found' error |
| 20:32.37 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 20:32.51 | simonrvn | !ops aptitude stray blootbot bot |
| 20:32.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: aptitude stray blootbot bot |
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| 20:33.22 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: and contrib non-free and unstable main |
| 20:33.32 | peterS | simonrvn: well, since stew is an op and it's his bot, I assume it's at least somewhat authorized |
| 20:33.41 | mentor | er |
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| 20:33.51 | mentor | Is it responding to ! |
| 20:33.52 | mentor | ? |
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| 20:33.55 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: unstable?? are you sure you wish to go there? :) |
| 20:34.16 | Code-E | Hi, my computer keeps freezing up and currently I have debian installed, I am wondering why this is..? |
| 20:34.31 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: strange. the package are in the main etch repositories |
| 20:34.32 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: yeah people say that but everything i want is in that one! lol. |
| 20:34.52 | mmmmmmmmm | how can i check tomcat is listening on a port? |
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| 20:35.01 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yeah i find that is supposed to be the case quite often |
| 20:35.01 | chops | mmmmmmmmm: telnet to that port |
| 20:35.05 | valdyn | Flimzy: nsupdate should give errors too |
| 20:35.08 | mentor | netstat |
| 20:35.10 | Flimzy | valdyn: ha |
| 20:35.10 | chops | mmmmmmmmm: Or netstat -nlp | grep blargh |
| 20:35.12 | Flimzy | valdyn: I got something to work |
| 20:35.15 | Flimzy | I think |
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| 20:35.18 | goodshit | anyone know where do i edit the domainname? I want to keep it there everytime i boot up. without me typing domainname dohma.com anyone know where is the domainname kept?? |
| 20:35.18 | Flimzy | trying to figure out what I did now. |
| 20:35.20 | valdyn | Flimzy: update failed: NOTAUTH(BADKEY) |
| 20:35.21 | wedgeV | i setup my dhcp server to assign 10.1.0.4 to my server, and the server successfully gets the ip(i can ping it etc.), but "ifconfig" doesnt show it... i only see a 169.254.xxx.xxx adress |
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| 20:35.29 | Code-E | Is there a reason my computer keeps freezing since i installed debian? |
| 20:35.49 | StucKman | Code-E: did you check your memory? |
| 20:35.51 | jazbo2185 | If I ssh somewhere, then `foo &`, then logout, does foo keep running? |
| 20:35.52 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 20:35.53 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 20:35.54 | valdyn | goodshit: ^^^ |
| 20:35.57 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: apt-cache search module-assistant lists the package in my system. |
| 20:36.12 | StucKman | Code-E: or: how/inwhat circumstances does it hung? |
| 20:36.12 | goodshit | i don't wnat hostname |
| 20:36.14 | goodshit | i want domainname |
| 20:36.29 | chops | jazbo2185: No, see 'man nohup' |
| 20:36.29 | valdyn | goodshit: sure, what does FQDN mean ? |
| 20:36.29 | StucKman | jazbo2185: youbetter use nohup or screen |
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| 20:36.33 | Code-E | StucKman: it just froze as I was doing apt-get install xchat a minute ago |
| 20:36.42 | valdyn | !fqdn |
| 20:36.42 | dpkg | it has been said that fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 20:36.43 | Code-E | And while I was running the web browser |
| 20:36.54 | Flimzy | valdyn: I think I feel stupid. (that's nothing unusual, tho) |
| 20:37.04 | StucKman | Code-E: try cheching the ram |
| 20:37.08 | Flimzy | valdyn: I was using /etc/bind/keys/:<keyfile> (per an error I had early on) |
| 20:37.09 | Code-E | I think maybe because too much stuff is starting with the distro, is there a way to edit which program starts at boot? |
| 20:37.10 | StucKman | install memtest in singlemode |
| 20:37.11 | mmmmmmmmm | abrotman: I think it stll doesn't install everything... how can i force a complete new install of a package |
| 20:37.16 | Flimzy | taking the : out appears to have resolved my issue. |
| 20:37.46 | valdyn | Flimzy: you must have been using nsupdate without a key file effectively |
| 20:37.49 | StucKman | Code-E: how much ram do you have? |
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| 20:37.56 | valdyn | Flimzy: random files will throw an error and not do anything |
| 20:38.06 | jazbo2185 | chops: StucKman: then, to stop it I'd just `kill` it? |
| 20:38.09 | Code-E | 256mb StucKman |
| 20:38.09 | StucKman | Code-E: does it freeze while the disk is going crazy? |
| 20:38.11 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 20:38.13 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: type "m-a prepare" as root |
| 20:38.15 | chops | jazbo2185: Correct |
| 20:38.19 | jazbo2185 | Thanks |
| 20:38.39 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes mine too. but aptitude install module-assistant says not :( |
| 20:38.46 | StucKman | Code-E: that should be enough for some configurations. did you set up swap? how much? |
| 20:38.50 | \amethyst | mmmmmmmmm: including the config files? |
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| 20:39.02 | Code-E | Im not sure, it automatically partitioned i guess |
| 20:39.13 | StucKman | Code-E: try "free" in a terminal |
| 20:39.36 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes that says stuff :) to which i said "y" |
| 20:39.38 | Dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 20:39.41 | mmmmmmmmm | the config files are there now because i used confmiss option |
| 20:39.43 | StucKman | Code-E: see the first and second columns |
| 20:39.47 | hackmiker | hi is there an apache 88x31 or approximate banner? |
| 20:39.56 | mmmmmmmmm | but when i try starting tomcat it says pid is there but servlet engine not running |
| 20:40.07 | Code-E | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.07 | Code-E | Mem: 240780 236064 4716 0 25636 106964 |
| 20:40.12 | StucKman | hackmiker: go check htttpd.apache.org |
| 20:40.17 | StucKman | httpd* |
| 20:40.20 | Code-E | bad stuff |
| 20:40.23 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: "m-a prepare" as root (maybe its already installed) |
| 20:40.24 | hackmiker | oi |
| 20:40.28 | StucKman | Code-E: next line? |
| 20:40.41 | StucKman | Code-E: those numbers seem right |
| 20:40.50 | valdyn | Code-E: what's bad about your free output? |
| 20:40.59 | Code-E | -/+ buffers/cache: 103464 137316 |
| 20:40.59 | Code-E | Swap: 698788 0 698788 |
| 20:41.05 | valdyn | Code-E: you have alot of memory available considering there's only 256 mb total |
| 20:41.10 | StucKman | Code-E: that pretty fine |
| 20:41.12 | Code-E | oh |
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| 20:41.14 | Code-E | ok |
| 20:41.27 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes the command you typed installed the headers :) but it is strange that my apt sucks huh? dunno why that is |
| 20:41.30 | valdyn | !free |
| 20:41.30 | dpkg | methinks free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 20:41.35 | Code-E | is there a way though to edit what stuff boots with the os? I don't like this sql server...? |
| 20:41.36 | StucKman | you didn't need to touch swap, which means you're not loading so much stuff anyways |
| 20:41.37 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 20:41.37 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 20:41.46 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: after, you install the ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils |
| 20:41.50 | \amethyst | mmmmmmmmm: have you tried stopping tomcat to get rid of the stale pid file? |
| 20:41.51 | valdyn | Code-E: dont edit that, just remove the package |
| 20:41.59 | valdyn | Code-E: why sql server is it? mysql? |
| 20:42.04 | mmmmmmmmm | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:42.13 | Code-E | not sure... it starts with a p |
| 20:42.21 | valdyn | Code-E: postgresql? |
| 20:42.26 | Code-E | Thats the one |
| 20:42.27 | sander_ | Anyone know why I get "unsupported codec for output stream #0.1" when I spesify -acodec mp3 when encoding an dvvideo(video)/pcm_s16be(sound) to flash video format with ffmpeg? |
| 20:42.28 | valdyn | Code-E: dpkg -l | grep postgres |
| 20:42.42 | sander_ | I'm using debian's etch's default ffmpeg with following configuration options: -enable-gpl --enable-pp --enable-pthreads --enable-vorbis --enable-libogg --enable-a52 --enable-dts --enable-libgsm --enable-dc1394 --disable-debug --enable-shared --prefix=/usr |
| 20:42.45 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: aptitude install ndiswrapper-source ndiswrapper-utils-1.8 |
| 20:42.49 | StucKman | sander_: because you lack one of those codecs? |
| 20:43.15 | valdyn | Code-E: dont paste the output, there should be one package listed with 'server' in its name, remove that one |
| 20:43.20 | sander_ | StucKman, how do I find out which codec who's missing? |
| 20:43.46 | Code-E | lol, how do I do that? i forget, im used to working in bsd havent used a linux in a while |
| 20:43.52 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes that says no packages too, so i figure i must have them (think i do), but i thought i had to build it. no? |
| 20:43.58 | valdyn | Code-E: apt-get remove <name> |
| 20:44.05 | Code-E | thought so, thanks |
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| 20:44.21 | sander_ | StucKman, I assume its the sound codec. since it works to encode dvvideo to flash video. |
| 20:44.25 | rocketmagnet | exit |
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| 20:44.50 | mmmmmmmmm | \amethyst: any other ideas? |
| 20:44.57 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Now try: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 20:45.04 | sander_ | Whats the main diffrence between normal ffmpeg and ffmpeg2theora? |
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| 20:45.14 | \amethyst | mmmmmmmmm: does it say what pid file it's using? |
| 20:45.34 | \amethyst | mmmmmmmmm: probably /var/run/tomcat<version>.pid |
| 20:45.46 | StucKman | sander_: unluckly that's all I can say about codecs :( |
| 20:45.54 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Before: ndiswrapper -i driver.inf |
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| 20:46.37 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: oh i'll have to start windows to find that out. brb |
| 20:46.39 | Code-E | May I ask, which sshd is the better, the openbsd one that comes with this distro or openssh-server? |
| 20:46.47 | mmmmmmmmm | i don't see any pid file for tomcat in that dir |
| 20:48.28 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: You will need the windows driver for your card. Maybe you can find it on the web |
| 20:48.45 | Code-E | Anyone have an opinion on that? |
| 20:49.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 20:49.08 | eeyore- | Code-E: openssh |
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| 20:49.14 | Code-E | Thanks eeyore- |
| 20:49.16 | abrotman | you mean the commercial openssh ? |
| 20:49.20 | abrotman | erm .. commericial ssh |
| 20:51.04 | Code-E | I think I like debian...much better support then with freebsd :D |
| 20:51.14 | eeyore- | Code-E: gentoo |
| 20:51.22 | Flimzy | valdyn: I have it working now with an allow-update { }... trying to get it to work with update-policy {} now instead, tho |
| 20:51.38 | valdyn | Flimzy: nice! |
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| 20:53.40 | kzar | I installed sun-java5-jdk but is there anything else I need to do to get java working in iceweasel? |
| 20:53.53 | valdyn | kzar: install sun-java5-plugin |
| 20:54.11 | mmmmmmmmm | if /etc/init.d/tomcat wasn't able to start where are those errors logged? |
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| 20:57.03 | sander_ | ANyone know how I can get "--enable-mp3lame" support in ffmpeg? |
| 20:57.44 | sander_ | I've tried with installing theese binary apt-packages: libtwolame0 toolame twolame |
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| 20:58.05 | valdyn | sander_: those do less than lame but dont violate patents |
| 20:58.16 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 20:58.16 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 20:58.53 | sander_ | valdyn, thanks! |
| 20:58.56 | sander_ | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 20:58.57 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 20:59.19 | hermogenes | kzar: and install sun-java5-plugin |
| 20:59.21 | valdyn | sander_: what are you really trying to do btw? |
| 20:59.32 | Code-E | How can I remove this printer support stuff? my printer is not supported in linux, so i would like to remove it |
| 20:59.48 | valdyn | Code-E: remove what? |
| 21:00.30 | sander_ | getting the sound to work when encoding an dvvideo(video)/pcm_s16be(sound) to flash video format with ffmpeg? |
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| 21:00.32 | valdyn | Code-E: remove cupsys-common |
| 21:00.32 | Code-E | HP Linux support |
| 21:00.32 | Code-E | ok |
| 21:00.36 | valdyn | Code-E: but that's probably not everything |
| 21:00.46 | sander_ | valdyn, someone on another channel said I needed lib lame support in ffmpeg |
| 21:01.20 | valdyn | sander_: ok, lame at debian-multimedia, i think you will still have to compile ffmpeg yourself |
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| 21:01.38 | valdyn | sander_: though modifying the debian source might be easy and convenient since you get a new ffmpeg package out of it |
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| 21:01.57 | homecable | any good admins around ? |
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| 21:02.31 | sander_ | valdyn, are you kidding.. I actually need to compile ffmpeg to get it to work? |
| 21:02.38 | valdyn | sander_: does ffmpeg use plugins or only shared libraries linked with ld? |
| 21:03.07 | sander_ | valdyn, I guess it only use shared libraries.. but what do I know. |
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| 21:03.31 | valdyn | sander_: mp3 is encumbered by patents, debian cant just legally distribute it |
| 21:03.38 | karsten | aptitude update hangs with: 99% [12 Packages bzip2 0] |
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| 21:03.59 | karsten | ... IIRC there's a fix involving clearing out one of the download / archive / list directories, which one? |
| 21:04.28 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: just searching for the .inf file (taking ages) |
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| 21:04.58 | abrotman | karsten: hit ctrl-c .. try again :) |
| 21:05.22 | karsten | abrotman: Doesn't work. |
| 21:05.51 | abrotman | again! |
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| 21:06.08 | sander_ | valdyn, you know about a good howto for compiling ffmpeg.. I've have problems with adding to few or too many configure options before |
| 21:06.11 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: I believe you'll need the .inf and .sys files. Go to your cards manufacturer webpage |
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| 21:06.19 | jazbo2185 | after aptitude upgrade wants to upgrade my linux-image-2.6.18-4-686. is it a good idea to reboot immediately after I do this or can I wait 'til later? |
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| 21:06.55 | abrotman | jazbo2185: it's a security update |
| 21:07.31 | kzar | valdyn: thanks that worked great :) |
| 21:08.32 | sander_ | valdyn, Do you know if I can use another audio encoder than mp3 when encoding an file to flash video? |
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| 21:08.53 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ah yes. didn't fine the .inf in the search, but have a newly downloaded copy :) |
| 21:09.03 | Dave_is_sexy | ...back to debian :) |
| 21:09.52 | efaistos | does someone know a reminder for a console terminal ? |
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| 21:11.25 | peterS | efaistos: I just use cron. from my personal crontab file: "@monthly echo pay rent |
| 21:11.29 | peterS | without the " |
| 21:11.30 | karsten | efaistos: Sorry? |
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| 21:11.49 | peterS | efaistos: on the first of each month I get a little email message from cron telling me to pay my rent |
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| 21:12.08 | karsten | efaistos: Old-school: calendar. |
| 21:12.23 | karsten | efaistos: Set single events or repeating events to be notified of. |
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| 21:12.37 | sander_ | is http://security.debian.org very slow today? |
| 21:13.09 | karsten | abrotman: I'm running apt-spy and looking for a better mirror. |
| 21:13.21 | sander_ | I get 30kB/s from it.. I normally get like 600 |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | isn't usc near you ? |
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| 21:14.56 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: bash: ndiswrapper: command not found - i'll just try to see why |
| 21:15.04 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Do you already have the .inf and .sys files for your card? |
| 21:15.31 | kth` | Compiling alsa with module-assistant fails(custom 2.6.21.1 kernel, built with alsa as module and rtc timer support as module, no drivers), it says "Makefile: No such file or directory" among the last few lines. But the paths it prints show the directory I compiled the kernel at. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 21:16.02 | peterS | kth`: ummm ... shouldn't alsa in 2.6.21 be pretty much up-to-date already? |
| 21:16.19 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes |
| 21:16.36 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: make sure you're root and try also "ndiswrapper-1.8" instead |
| 21:16.53 | kth` | peterS; Hmm... Good point.... Actually, what the hell am I doing? :P But... Any ideas on what I did wrong |
| 21:18.00 | karsten | abrotman: Lots of b0rk3n mirrors. |
| 21:18.09 | telexicon | I am trying to setup a xen guest, but I can't get VNC to work.. I keep getting connection refused |
| 21:18.19 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: *** WARNING: This kernel seems to use 4K stack size option (CONFIG_4KSTACKS); many Windows drivers will not work with this option enabled. Disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS option, recompile and install kernel |
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| 21:18.51 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: it much harder than doubleclicking an exe in windows huh? |
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| 21:20.11 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: no the 1.8 command did not work either. that message was from 'make' |
| 21:20.38 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Yes. But its not our fault... it will be much easier than clicking an exe if the manufactures gave us support |
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| 21:20.50 | jwisher | is there a service start/stop command in debian? |
| 21:21.06 | grew | /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop |
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| 21:21.18 | jwisher | thank you |
| 21:21.42 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: i actually developed some very interesting thoughts on that this week, but will save them for later :) |
| 21:22.02 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: so er, looks like i have to compile e a new kernel. joy |
| 21:22.25 | Dave_is_sexy | i'm sure that is going to be really really hard |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | karsten: i'm sure there are |
| 21:23.16 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: dpkg --get-selections | grep "ndiwrapper" |
| 21:23.33 | hermogenes | "ndiswrapper"* |
| 21:23.37 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: oh, er. ok. |
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| 21:23.50 | Kevin` | ick ndiswrapper |
| 21:24.27 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: lol - don't have much choice |
| 21:24.42 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ndiswrapper-common install |
| 21:24.42 | Dave_is_sexy | ndiswrapper-source install |
| 21:24.42 | Dave_is_sexy | ndiswrapper-utils install |
| 21:24.42 | Dave_is_sexy | ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 install |
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| 21:25.35 | Dave_is_sexy | :( |
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| 21:26.15 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 21:26.50 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: then: ndiswrapper -i driver.inf |
| 21:27.14 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: better: ndiswrapper-1.9 -i driver.inf |
| 21:27.15 | aldin | hi, how can i change name of my ethernet interface, e.g. eth0 -> eth4 |
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| 21:28.07 | efaistos | karsten: all types of tasks to remind ... |
| 21:28.25 | Dave_is_sexy | i just can't get over how good aptitude is! |
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| 21:28.48 | Code-E | Why is the httpd.conf blank in the apache2 package? o_O |
| 21:28.53 | jonathan__ | i've been having problems with madwifi and wpasupplicant on the amd64 kernel |
| 21:29.04 | eeyore- | Code-E: because they use fancy include system |
| 21:29.23 | Code-E | So... how do i edit the settings then? |
| 21:29.25 | eeyore- | Code-E: the pieces of "normal" httpd.conf are probably scattered around various files |
| 21:29.34 | Code-E | :| |
| 21:29.44 | karsten | efaistos: Complete sentences? |
| 21:29.51 | karsten | efaistos: English !fractured? |
| 21:29.58 | eeyore- | Code-E: look at the directories, they're pretty much self-explanatory |
| 21:29.59 | Code-E | I'm trying to find the document root |
| 21:30.31 | eeyore- | Code-E: grep -Hir documentroot /etc/apache2 |
| 21:30.38 | Dave_is_sexy | :) :) :) :) no errors!!!! |
| 21:30.51 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: cheers! |
| 21:30.54 | telexicon | I am trying to get xen working but I can't view the guest machine, How do I do this.. all the tutorials I have read seem to leave this out, nothing appears on my screen.. do I use VNC? or a serial console? |
| 21:31.01 | Code-E | Thanks eeyore |
| 21:31.02 | Code-E | :D |
| 21:31.05 | Hoxzer | wow dillo is fast :O |
| 21:31.06 | jonathan__ | using the wext driver for wpa-roam, i get messages like "ioctl32(wpa_supplicant:2149): Unknown cmd fd(3) cmd(00008b32){00} arg(ffa5498c) on socket:[5897]" |
| 21:31.18 | jonathan__ | and then wpa_action and wpa_cli don't start |
| 21:31.20 | Code-E | I have one more question about this, I installed php5 but how do i know php works? |
| 21:31.22 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: now: ndiswrapper-1.9 -l (tell me the output) |
| 21:31.46 | Dave_is_sexy | netw33 : driver installed |
| 21:31.46 | Dave_is_sexy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.58 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: good. |
| 21:32.00 | Dave_is_sexy | sounds AWESOME to me |
| 21:32.03 | karsten | telexicon: Your guest runs in its onwn virtual instance. You've got access to the console through xm, otherwise, normal network access presuming you've got it configured to come up on an IP. |
| 21:32.28 | eeyore- | jonathan__: are you sure you're supposed to use wext for madwifi? |
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| 21:32.28 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Now: m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 21:32.31 | jonathan__ | that's what the madwifi page recommends |
| 21:32.35 | karsten | Hoxzer: Dillo is faster than a lot of text-mode browsers. Unfortunately it's also very feature-incomplete. |
| 21:32.39 | jonathan__ | i tried using the madwifi driver as well |
| 21:32.40 | rahul | stoned: ping |
| 21:32.45 | Code-E | ok nevermind, it works |
| 21:32.46 | Code-E | :) |
| 21:32.52 | Code-E | Now to install mysql |
| 21:32.56 | telexicon | karsten: ok, how do I do that? If I use xm console windows_2003.. it says: xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory |
| 21:33.09 | karsten | rahul: Shouldn't stoned use the "pebbles-on-the-window" protocol? |
| 21:33.17 | rahul | heh |
| 21:33.27 | karsten | telexicon: Well, Win2K3 doesn't have a console in the Linux sense. |
| 21:33.28 | wols_ | Code-E: <php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 21:33.29 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: oh. that was unexpected |
| 21:33.30 | jwisher | how can I make an applcation that didn't come in a package start every time the machine is rebooted? do i just copy the start up script to init.d? |
| 21:33.39 | karsten | telexicon: So you'd want to get its IP address and rdesktop to it or similar. |
| 21:33.44 | wols_ | jwisher: no |
| 21:33.45 | telexicon | karsten: I realize that, but it isn't installed yet |
| 21:33.50 | wols_ | !tell jwisher about sysvinit |
| 21:33.51 | karsten | jwisher: Yes. /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:34.00 | telexicon | karsten: The guest machine is blank, I can't install anything on it if I can't see it |
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| 21:34.15 | eeyore- | night |
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| 21:34.17 | karsten | telexicon: Find docs on p2v then. |
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| 21:34.22 | Code-E | wols_, that doesn't show anything |
| 21:34.24 | karsten | telexicon: I never played with Windows guests. |
| 21:34.39 | telexicon | karsten: I can't install onto a virtual machine? |
| 21:34.44 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ok that set something up with no errors |
| 21:34.46 | karsten | telexicon: Essentially: you need an installer (that runs under Xen) or you want to P2V an existing Win2K3 install. |
| 21:34.47 | jwisher | thx |
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| 21:34.52 | karsten | telexicon: I don't know. |
| 21:34.55 | Hoxzer | karsten: YEah, I noticed that some pages like the ones that I use for my studies dont work with it :( |
| 21:35.11 | karsten | Hoxzer: No frames, no javascript, rudimentary tables. |
| 21:35.29 | karsten | Hoxzer: ... and the killer: no CSS. However for rudimentary HTML it's great. |
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| 21:35.35 | telexicon | karsten: Isn't there a way to view the BIOS and the bootup process like a regular computer or like qemu does? |
| 21:35.49 | karsten | telexicon: Dunno. I haven't played with this for a long time. |
| 21:35.54 | telexicon | karsten: I mean, this is before the windows part.. so forget about windows, just viewing the beginning parts |
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| 21:36.04 | telexicon | karsten: oh ok |
| 21:36.05 | psychonate | My /etc/resolv.conf file keeps reverting back to whatever it was before. How can I make changes to it permanent? |
| 21:36.06 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: You're done. Your card is installed. Now you have to reboot and configure your network |
| 21:36.10 | karsten | telexicon: ... except there isn't a BIOS init, you're watching that in the terminal when you fire up the VM. |
| 21:36.30 | karsten | psychonate: Check /etc/network/interfaces and how you've defined your DHCP config. |
| 21:36.32 | Hoxzer | karsten: :( yeah, Unfortunatly firefox eats too much memory so I don't prefer it as everyday browser |
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| 21:36.51 | karsten | Hoxzer: I get pretty good results most of the time with Konqueror. |
| 21:36.51 | psychonate | karsten, it's static, but there's no nameserver options for that file |
| 21:36.57 | Dave_is_sexy | gasp! YAY! Thanks SO much. i don't have a wireless configurator yet. ndiswrapper wiki reccomended iwconfig? |
| 21:37.10 | ibanex | hi all, how can i find out which module my ethernet card is using? it is installed and working |
| 21:37.12 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ^^^^ |
| 21:37.13 | psychonate | karsten, and whatever nameserver gets stuck automatically in resolv.conf isn't the one I need |
| 21:37.32 | karsten | Hoxzer: I keep Konq, Iceweasel, w3m (and a few other text-mode browsers), and MSIE6. |
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| 21:39.11 | rvsjoen | is 4.12mb/sec very low on hdparm's device read timings ? |
| 21:39.12 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: iwconfig is good |
| 21:39.19 | psychonate | oy, it switched again |
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| 21:39.54 | psychonate | How can I permanently specify a nameserver to use? |
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| 21:39.55 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: maybe you prefer to use some GUI app in gnome or kde if you use one of them |
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| 21:40.37 | nn-laptop | Can you guys tell me how I can improve my linux comunity websight filebin.info |
| 21:40.56 | nmee | Hey, I need to find a free firewall/smarthost distro with mailscanning (spam & antivirus) and basic firewall functionality... any good you can recommend? :) |
| 21:41.10 | petemc | psychonate: that is configured in /etc/resolv.conf , but may be overwritten by dhcp |
| 21:41.17 | rares000 | ok so where do I set the resume partition? |
| 21:41.26 | rares000 | i can't find the config file |
| 21:41.31 | hermogenes | nmee: debian? |
| 21:41.40 | psychonate | oh, I'm foolish |
| 21:41.51 | karsten | ulimit max files is a per-process, not per-user limit, right/ |
| 21:41.54 | karsten | s,/,?, |
| 21:41.57 | psychonate | I bet the dhcp server is still running even though I switched my interfaces file to static |
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| 21:42.02 | psychonate | and screwing me over |
| 21:42.05 | psychonate | lemme checka here |
| 21:42.20 | nmee | hermogenes: hehe, debian would be great :) just need something with minimal configuration, if some package in debian does the trick, I'm all for it :) |
| 21:43.17 | psychonate | "dhclient" -- the bastard |
| 21:43.23 | nn-laptop | rignt know it has a "As secure as i could make it open Filebin" and a forum and within the next cupple of days i will be adding a media wiki linux Info Section anything else i can add?? |
| 21:43.25 | hermogenes | nmee: well... you can install only the basic system and then add the packages you need |
| 21:43.30 | petemc | psychonate: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 21:43.34 | debsdog | Hi all, I am running Debian Etch on a Dual Boot-Dual Disc with Windows XP Pro |
| 21:43.43 | nn-laptop | oh ya i also have a debian mirror there |
| 21:43.58 | psychonate | petemc, it's alright. I don't want dhcp at all. I just forgot to kill it after I switched the rest of my settings for static |
| 21:44.06 | petemc | cool beans |
| 21:44.14 | psychonate | I think it kept changing my nameserver |
| 21:44.15 | debsdog | And I am having difficulty connecting to the internet after I switch back from Windows to Etch |
| 21:44.23 | psychonate | most perplexing it was |
| 21:44.44 | nmee | hermogenes: of course, but that where's the "minimal configuration" parts kicks in... I want something simple, preferably with a web interface :) |
| 21:45.10 | debsdog | Any suggestions or help would be apprieciated |
| 21:45.10 | petemc | nmee: spam is such a huge problem, theres no silver bullet.. |
| 21:45.29 | kdog | I would like to aptitude dist-upgrade my 3.1 machine but it says it will remove php4 and not replace it. removing it would break my website. What changed? Or better what do I need to do to figure out why these are to be automatically removed? |
| 21:45.29 | hermogenes | nmee: hum... |
| 21:45.33 | petemc | debsdog: how do you connect to the internet? |
| 21:45.48 | debsdog | Directly |
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| 21:45.55 | debsdog | DHCP |
| 21:46.04 | petemc | debsdog: ethernet? |
| 21:46.08 | debsdog | Yes |
| 21:46.11 | petemc | wired ethernet.. |
| 21:46.14 | debsdog | yes |
| 21:46.15 | petemc | cool |
| 21:46.30 | petemc | debsdog: does ifconfig -a mention eth0 ? |
| 21:46.31 | nmee | petemc: no, I know... spamassassin is fine... the key point I'm looking for is simple to set up with minimal configuration |
| 21:46.49 | nn-laptop | debsdog, tell me how I can improve my linux comunity websight filebin.info |
| 21:46.49 | debsdog | I didn't try ifconfig |
| 21:47.05 | psychonate | seems to be alright; <3 crossover cable |
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| 21:47.39 | debsdog | I will next time I am over, I am a bit shy of using the command line, a yearling on Linux |
| 21:47.52 | nn-laptop | psychonate, tell me how I can improve my linux comunity websight filebin.info |
| 21:48.20 | psychonate | perhaps you could learn how to spell "community" first |
| 21:48.24 | psychonate | seems like a good start ;) |
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| 21:48.54 | nn-laptop | psychonate, if you can ;; test the scurity on my file bin if you find a bug Please tell me |
| 21:49.19 | psychonate | that's beyond my very limited ken of knowledge |
| 21:49.24 | debsdog | thanks petemc, any other commands I should try if that doesn't work |
| 21:50.07 | petemc | debsdog: if linux doesnt support your card, you'll need to get your reading glasses on.. |
| 21:50.21 | petemc | it probably does tho |
| 21:50.24 | nn-laptop | psychonate, i fixed it so if someone uploads a nasty cgibin or php file it wont run |
| 21:50.25 | hermogenes | debsdog: if you boot to debian it will be easier to help you. the internet on etch doesn't work at all |
| 21:50.33 | hermogenes | ? |
| 21:50.42 | Gryfelhase | Hm..... which kernel should I use on a pentiumII - etch netinstall: 2.6.18-4-686 or 2.6.686 (what's the big diffrence?) |
| 21:50.58 | hackmiker | #lesbian :d |
| 21:51.05 | debsdog | it did support my card, but whenever I boot into Windows, and then boot back into Etch it doesn't want to reconnect |
| 21:51.17 | debsdog | It did once, but now not at all. |
| 21:51.25 | amphi | debsdog: so don't do that then ;) |
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| 21:52.05 | debsdog | My wife needs Windows for her school, but I like your sense of humour amphi |
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| 21:52.29 | jm|laptop | ~raid |
| 21:52.31 | apt | raid is probably (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives) A manipulation of SCSI technology that allows you to combine several hard drives for use as one. The benefits can be either speed increase or failsafe (so that if one drive dies or crashes you don't lose your data), or a combination of both. |
| 21:52.37 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 21:52.52 | jm|laptop | I have an Adaptec 1200A card but it appears to not be supported |
| 21:53.05 | hermogenes | debsdog: right now you are on Windows, i suppose? |
| 21:53.13 | jm|laptop | can I do software RAID0 over two primary devices for my OS disk? |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | you can .. but if one dies. . your OS is dead |
| 21:53.32 | petemc | debsdog: dual booting isnt a problem. google for debian configure network interface - its trivial |
| 21:53.34 | ofer | which is not a good idea. |
| 21:53.39 | hermogenes | debsdog: your problem seems very strange... |
| 21:53.44 | jm|laptop | hmm |
| 21:53.51 | ofer | use part of the disk for RAID1 (OS), and the other parts for RAID0 |
| 21:53.55 | jm|laptop | but that's like having 1 disk anyway |
| 21:53.57 | ofer | that's what pretty about software RAID. |
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| 21:54.05 | debsdog | yep on Windows |
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| 21:54.20 | ofer | you can even RAID on the same physical disk. |
| 21:54.21 | kdog | kdog, you have a mirror that isn't updated |
| 21:54.25 | kdog | kdog, thanks~ |
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| 21:54.36 | jm|laptop | ofer: I basically wanted to speed *everything* up - invoking of programs etc. It seemed the disk was the bottleneck |
| 21:54.41 | hermogenes | debsdog: Can't you get the internet on debian to work at all? |
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| 21:54.50 | abrotman | abrotman: have you noticed kdog keeps talking to himself? |
| 21:55.01 | jm|laptop | taking on board the risk that I now have two points of failure: how would I go about having my boot disk as raid0 ? |
| 21:55.02 | ofer | jm|laptop, RAID1 is 50% faster |
| 21:55.09 | jm|laptop | hm |
| 21:55.14 | jm|laptop | that might be wiser then |
| 21:55.19 | ofer | writing is the same, while reading is 50% is faster. |
| 21:55.23 | ofer | core system = RAID1 |
| 21:55.28 | ofer | other parts = RAID0 |
| 21:55.29 | debsdog | Nope Nothing Worked This Time, Last Time It Took An Hour, But I got it back |
| 21:55.37 | debsdog | This time nothing no internet |
| 21:55.38 | jm|laptop | ofer: RAID0 for like /home ? |
| 21:55.41 | ofer | yeap. |
| 21:55.45 | xand | !tell limetang about away |
| 21:55.48 | debsdog | It says no drivers present in the gui |
| 21:55.52 | ofer | even SWAP if you don't care about crashing your system |
| 21:55.52 | jm|laptop | and RAID-1 for / /usr /var ...? |
| 21:55.57 | jm|laptop | lol |
| 21:56.04 | ofer | if the SWAP is dead, the system freezes |
| 21:56.11 | ofer | but after a restart it's fine. |
| 21:56.13 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: my iwconfig lists 'lo' 'eth1' 'eth0' and 'sit0' ...whcih is 4. I only have 2 (+ firewire which is has thought is an ethernet since install) |
| 21:56.42 | jm|laptop | ofer: ok; so I do an install with separate partitions for /, /usr, /var, /boot ... |
| 21:56.53 | jm|laptop | then I mirror those on 2ry master? |
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| 21:57.02 | hermogenes | debsdog: very strange... the ideal would be you logged into debian so we could try to figure out whats going on |
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| 21:57.28 | ofer | jm|laptop, when you install debian, you can create easily software raid. |
| 21:57.30 | jm|laptop | then I cread a md for /home |
| 21:57.30 | debsdog | I know but I can't get it up, I tried everything I did last time, but nothing worked |
| 21:57.49 | jm|laptop | ofer: really? Under 'manual' ? |
| 21:57.55 | ofer | yeap. |
| 21:57.58 | alan` | where can i get the /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/build |
| 21:58.02 | alan` | file? |
| 21:58.09 | debsdog | what command line tips can I try to get it up and running again |
| 21:58.26 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: there's no wlan0 or wlan1? |
| 21:58.59 | petemc | debsdog: other than the ones you've been told already? |
| 21:59.01 | jelly-home | ofer: raid0 is not raid... I'd use it only if I had known good backups |
| 21:59.15 | hermogenes | debsdog: well... you could try to query the dhcp server with "# dhclient" |
| 21:59.21 | debsdog | yes other than ifconfig -a |
| 21:59.25 | petemc | debsdog: how about you try those and then report back, rather than wasting peoples time |
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| 21:59.28 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: no. and it says that none of the others support scanning |
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| 22:00.29 | debsdog | okay petemc |
| 22:00.37 | debsdog | sorry for the waste |
| 22:00.38 | petemc | debsdog: if your card worked during the install than almost certainly a configuration issue, configuring a network card is simple - so learn how to do that |
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| 22:00.44 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Lets see if your ndiswrapper module is running: dmesg | grep "ndiswrapper" |
| 22:00.47 | petemc | +its |
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| 22:01.04 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: try this... ifconfig wlan0 |
| 22:01.20 | shwag | how do I remove something along with all the extra junk it installed too? |
| 22:01.24 | geo-rge | two of the possible responses... a paragraph... an error message |
| 22:01.38 | geo-rge | which? |
| 22:01.46 | debsdog | thanks pete |
| 22:01.59 | debsdog | gotta go try things out |
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| 22:02.05 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: nothing happened. at all |
| 22:02.18 | geo-rge | what exactly did you type? |
| 22:02.42 | jm|laptop | shame my 1200A card isn't supported :( |
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| 22:02.53 | petemc | shwag: aptitude does that by default |
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| 22:03.15 | shwag | petemc: and if I didnt install it with aptitude ? |
| 22:03.39 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 22:03.50 | petemc | shwag: then you'll need to use deborphan or debfoster to remove the cruft |
| 22:04.11 | shwag | uhg |
| 22:04.16 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes. nothing happened at all was meant for "dmesg | grep "ndiswrapper" |
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| 22:04.17 | geo-rge | ahh, so you got an error message... ok, so that usually means driver not inserted |
| 22:04.19 | petemc | perhaps "cruft" too |
| 22:04.23 | shwag | thats what happens when you think you are installing a gui application but you are actually logged into your server. |
| 22:04.40 | petemc | what? |
| 22:05.21 | geo-rge | shwag: oh, and installing said gui app on the server instead? |
| 22:05.53 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: So, seems your module is not running. give me output of: dpkg --get-selections | grep "ndiswrapper" |
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| 22:06.10 | karsten | Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release.gpg Bad header line [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
| 22:06.14 | karsten | Woddat? |
| 22:06.25 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: do you think it has something to do with that kernel warning from earlier? the one that said ** WARNING: This kernel seems to use 4K stack size option (CONFIG_4KSTACKS); many Windows drivers will not work with this option enabled. Disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS option, recompile and install kernel |
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| 22:06.44 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: no. |
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| 22:07.14 | geo-rge | so ndiswrapper (a kernel module which wraps win drivers) is ok with a 4k stack size? |
| 22:07.19 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: http://pastebin.ca/468113 - a few more than last time :) |
| 22:07.20 | mandingo | hello all, wondering if anyone had any clue why a 'ifup -a' would do nothing while a 'ifup eth0' does it's job and brings up the interface. This is on a fairly fresh install of etch |
| 22:07.32 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Was you trying to compile a kernel? did you actually installed it? |
| 22:07.41 | karsten | mandingo: Is the interface set auto? |
| 22:07.44 | shwag | is there a log to see what was recently installed by apt-get ? |
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| 22:07.48 | mandingo | karsten: yeah! first thing I checked |
| 22:07.52 | karsten | mandingo: '-a' only brings up interfaces auto. |
| 22:08.10 | karsten | mandingo: Check ifupdown state. Try "ifdown eth0; ifup -a" |
| 22:08.19 | karsten | mandingo: That still gets horked sometimes. |
| 22:08.24 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: erm. no |
| 22:08.29 | karsten | mandingo: Humor me and check again WRT auto. |
| 22:08.58 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: but i did get as far as 'make' |
| 22:09.01 | mandingo | hello jeremyb |
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| 22:09.21 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: but not for a kernel - just the ndiswrapper |
| 22:09.28 | petemc | shwag: look in /var/log/ |
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| 22:09.55 | mandingo | rofl, karsten, feel free to punch me. For some reason auto was changed to 'auth' in my tinkering. I was reading it as auto however :) thanks for the dose of common sense |
| 22:09.57 | alan` | does anybody here know where i can get the build module |
| 22:10.02 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: lets see if module-assistant installed the module |
| 22:10.23 | nn-laptop | filebin.info |
| 22:10.36 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: dpkg --get-selections | grep ndiswrapper |
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| 22:11.04 | nn-laptop | um what is the best way to get data off of ntfs hd??? |
| 22:11.19 | jeremyb | mandingo: can other people punch? pete? kelly? |
| 22:11.35 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: we just did that |
| 22:12.15 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: yes. but now we should have a different output listing the modules as intalled |
| 22:12.23 | Pioz | Hi, I'm have a problem with upgrade from kernel 2.6.16 to 2.6.20 |
| 22:12.24 | hermogenes | installed* |
| 22:12.47 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: I thought you did that for dmesg first... maybe I'm remembering wrong? |
| 22:13.06 | Pioz | after recompile the new kernel with the .config of k2.6.16 I have a kernel panic |
| 22:13.10 | geo-rge | i.e., dmesg | grep ndiswrapper |
| 22:13.26 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: http://pastebin.ca/468117 but is the same |
| 22:13.32 | Pioz | i have RAID1 with 2 HD SATA |
| 22:13.56 | jm|laptop | ofer: |
| 22:14.20 | jm|laptop | ofer: If I'm doing software RAID does it matter if I use two primaries or a primary/secondary on one channel? |
| 22:14.21 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: yes, but also the dpkg. |
| 22:14.26 | mandingo | jeremyb: no, I'll bring them the pain harder :) |
| 22:14.36 | ofer | jm|laptop, no. |
| 22:14.45 | ofer | software RAID doesn't care |
| 22:14.55 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: hum. well the module is installed |
| 22:15.08 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: oh, ok |
| 22:15.13 | Pioz | someone can help me? |
| 22:15.23 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 22:15.23 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 22:15.25 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: I dont understand why its not listed in dmesg... |
| 22:15.42 | cafuego | jm|laptop: 2 primaries would be marginally quicker. |
| 22:15.44 | jm|laptop | ofer: but will I get performance degradation if it's on the same channel? |
| 22:15.47 | jm|laptop | I see |
| 22:15.49 | ofer | jm|laptop, yes. |
| 22:16.05 | cafuego | Ideally you pop all drives on their own controller ;-) |
| 22:16.17 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ok good. should i flick the wireless card off and on and watch some kind of system message in terminal? |
| 22:16.30 | ofer | you will also get performance degradation if you have a CD burner on one of these channels. |
| 22:16.50 | geo-rge | and if there's additional intelligence in each controller, that could get you performance closer to scsi |
| 22:16.53 | jm|laptop | ofer: funny you should say that |
| 22:16.57 | cafuego | heh |
| 22:17.09 | geo-rge | or if you have a 3ware card or like that |
| 22:17.24 | jm|laptop | ofer: I *think* Debian is treating my Adaptec 1200A as just another ATA controller |
| 22:17.24 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: no. |
| 22:17.25 | jm|laptop | we'll see |
| 22:17.35 | cafuego | If you have a 3ware card you really ought to have gotten opne with hardware raid1. |
| 22:17.38 | ofer | jm|laptop, don't know about that. I have to go - good night! |
| 22:17.49 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: did you reboot the system with the card on? |
| 22:18.04 | jm|laptop | :) |
| 22:18.15 | jm|laptop | it's showing as hde so that's promising |
| 22:18.19 | karsten | How do you send mail directly through exim/sendmail? |
| 22:18.27 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes. should i have turned t off? maybe i have something conflicting. like network-manager? |
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| 22:18.43 | jelly-home | karsten: by speaking SMTP to it |
| 22:18.43 | geo-rge | telnet to the port it's listening on? |
| 22:18.57 | geo-rge | and what jelly said |
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| 22:19.14 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: ifconfig |
| 22:19.28 | karsten | jelly-home: I thought there was a "feed exim a message on stdin" that you could do. |
| 22:19.34 | karsten | I'm lost finding the right switches. |
| 22:20.00 | jelly-home | karsten: hmm, I think I used /usr/sbin/sendmail -t |
| 22:20.29 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: eth1 -ethernet, and lo -local loopback |
| 22:20.29 | geo-rge | karsten: possibly, but telnetting to it is the portable way |
| 22:20.43 | geo-rge | eth1? what about eth0? |
| 22:20.56 | geo-rge | ifconfig eth0 |
| 22:21.03 | geo-rge | paragraph? err msg? |
| 22:21.07 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: there's no eth0. i think it's my firewire |
| 22:21.15 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: give me the output of dmesg. I have to take a careful look at that |
| 22:21.16 | geo-rge | oh, could be |
| 22:21.20 | karsten | !beer jelly-home |
| 22:21.27 | petemc | karsten: you mean the "mail" command? |
| 22:21.47 | cafuego | which is in `mailx' |
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| 22:21.52 | geo-rge | (if so... that would be using "the mail command" as a client) |
| 22:21.56 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: somehow the module was installed but the kernel is not running it |
| 22:22.08 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: http://pastebin.ca/468127 |
| 22:22.11 | jeremyb | !literal beer |
| 22:22.11 | dpkg | "beer" is "liquid gold mate" |
| 22:22.25 | Ronin | indeed |
| 22:22.58 | geo-rge | that shows eth0 is not associated with a hardware card |
| 22:23.13 | geo-rge | so, you're probably right... it's a firewire eth thingy |
| 22:23.14 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: http://pastebin.ca/468128 |
| 22:23.54 | thingfish | !merlot thingfish |
| 22:24.09 | thingfish | :/ |
| 22:24.23 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: that sounds like a task for modprobe! |
| 22:24.28 | Dave_is_sexy | !modprobe |
| 22:24.28 | dpkg | somebody said modprobe was something you use to install modules with it |
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| 22:24.40 | Dave_is_sexy | mmm |
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| 22:24.59 | jelly-home | thingfish: virtual beverage is often not that satisfying |
| 22:25.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:25.12 | dpkg | <jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ? |
| 22:25.41 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 22:25.41 | thingfish | jelly-home: yes, unfortunately that is true. Which means I'm going to have to get my lazy ass up and go buy some. |
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| 22:25.59 | geo-rge | line 220, eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xc200, 00:40:d0:7f:63:5a, IRQ 209 |
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| 22:27.07 | rocketmagnet | hi again, is dpkg or apt-get able to work with rpms ? |
| 22:27.08 | hermogenes | geo-rge: yes... |
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| 22:27.11 | ofir | hi |
| 22:27.20 | tarzeau | rocketmagnet: no |
| 22:27.22 | rocketmagnet | i need the quake3 client debian packages |
| 22:27.32 | hermogenes | geo-rge: i saw that too |
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| 22:27.41 | ofir | i have an error that GCC 4.2 is required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 22:28.05 | Dave_is_sexy | geo-rge: well that doesn't make sense (which i'm sure you know) |
| 22:28.14 | rocketmagnet | but i can only find stuff for suse on rpmseek.com |
| 22:28.24 | ofir | any one knows this problem? |
| 22:28.34 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: depmode -a and modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 22:28.50 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: depmod* |
| 22:29.16 | ofir | because only gcc 4.1 is available... so? |
| 22:29.25 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. lol... just installing depmode ;) |
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| 22:30.42 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 22:30.52 | Seb | how do I know what kind of passwd encryption my box is using ? |
| 22:31.01 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: nothing happened |
| 22:31.07 | Seb | and the length of the salt used, etc |
| 22:31.13 | tarzeau | ofir: that's wrong, 4.2 is available too |
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| 22:31.23 | tarzeau | ofir: see http://packages.debian.org/gcc-4.2 |
| 22:31.34 | tarzeau | Seb: man 5 shadow |
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| 22:32.02 | tarzeau | Seb: man mkpasswd |
| 22:32.10 | ofir | tarzeau: its experamental |
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| 22:32.25 | tarzeau | ofir: no, it's in the experimental repository |
| 22:32.25 | ofir | tarzeau: i run stable |
| 22:32.39 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: dmesg | grep ndiswrapper |
| 22:32.41 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:32.46 | tarzeau | ofir: i've run stable (sarge) and made my own gcc 4.1 debian package |
| 22:32.54 | tarzeau | ofir: you're free to do the same |
| 22:32.59 | ofir | tarzeau: so why does my libstdc++ require gcc 4.2? |
| 22:33.00 | x_link | I want something that shows my CPU temp in Debian, I can't use lm-sensors cause of my kernel. |
| 22:33.05 | tarzeau | ofir: i don't know |
| 22:33.13 | x_link | I have mbmon, but I'm sure it shows the right values |
| 22:33.13 | amphi | x_link: acpi -t ? |
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| 22:33.19 | x_link | Does anybody use mbmon? |
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| 22:33.25 | tarzeau | x_link: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 22:33.31 | x_link | amphi: Is acpi -t really CPU temp |
| 22:33.33 | x_link | ? |
| 22:33.34 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: iwconfig |
| 22:33.36 | ofir | x_link: what mobo? |
| 22:33.36 | x_link | Cause it ALWAYS showed 40C |
| 22:33.43 | x_link | ofir: Asus M2PNV-VM |
| 22:33.45 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: http://pastebin.ca/468142 |
| 22:34.05 | x_link | amphi: acpi -t always shows 40C |
| 22:34.11 | x_link | So I don't think that's right. |
| 22:34.15 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: seems promising... |
| 22:34.39 | x_link | tarzeau: What is that? |
| 22:34.42 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: something we haven't seen until now... |
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| 22:34.48 | ofir | x_link: I have a problem witht this too asus p5b and its sensor is not updated on the modules |
| 22:34.57 | tarzeau | x_link: a link to a webpage showing some more utilities how to read out temperatures |
| 22:35.04 | MindUs | Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
| 22:35.05 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: geo-rge: http://pastebin.ca/468148 |
| 22:35.06 | MindUs | Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
| 22:35.12 | amphi | x_link: it varies here, increasing under load, and deccreasing when idle, which seems reasonable; as to what _exactly_ is measured, or how accurately, I have no idea |
| 22:35.13 | Dave_is_sexy | gasp! how did you do that? |
| 22:35.17 | ofir | x_link: there is a patch for me... but i am too tired |
| 22:35.24 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: ^^ |
| 22:35.45 | tarzeau | amphi: i've also had some boxes where the sensor didn't ever change |
| 22:35.47 | x_link | amphi: It always showed 40C when I had my AMD Athlon 64 3500+ as well. |
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| 22:35.57 | tarzeau | amphi: i think it's lazy/broken sensors |
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| 22:36.07 | geo-rge | Dave_is_sexy: seems very promising... |
| 22:36.07 | x_link | So nobody use mbmon? |
| 22:36.12 | amphi | tarzeau: uhuh |
| 22:36.15 | x_link | I just want a program that really works. |
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| 22:36.28 | geo-rge | x_link: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 22:36.32 | tarzeau | amphi: look at https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ (lehua and lanai for example) |
| 22:36.37 | amphi | x_link: if your sensors are crap, no program will work |
| 22:36.38 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Now you only need to configure the network. You can use iwconfig or some GUI app in gnome or kde if you use one of those |
| 22:36.42 | tarzeau | amphi: or kneazle |
| 22:36.55 | rahul | smartd seems to go haywire whenever my ide drive is asleep |
| 22:36.56 | tarzeau | amphi: how to figure which sensors are crap? |
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| 22:37.21 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: oh nice one! I'm so excited! definateley have to back up this partition!! |
| 22:37.22 | x_link | tarzeau: How do I know if ther are crap? |
| 22:37.24 | geo-rge | tarzeau: do what Chebornek did :) |
| 22:37.35 | x_link | geo-rge: Thanks! |
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| 22:37.57 | geo-rge | x_link: so... ask a -question- :) |
| 22:38.04 | tarzeau | x_link: if they always return the same value, and you build the kernel w/ -j10 it's crap |
| 22:38.10 | x_link | I will show you guys instead. |
| 22:38.11 | tarzeau | geo-rge: what did he do? |
| 22:39.11 | geo-rge | tarzeau: let's see, to find out (I can't do this now), google for cheech and chong chebornek |
| 22:39.28 | x_link | geo-rge: |
| 22:39.29 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ sudo mbmon |
| 22:39.29 | x_link | Temp.= 30.0, 24.0, 15.0; Rot.= 3013, 0, 4963 |
| 22:39.29 | x_link | Vcore = 2.29, 2.93; Volt. = 0.02, 4.87, 10.76, -0.06, -0.02 |
| 22:39.29 | *** kick/#debian [x_link!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 22:39.31 | geo-rge | to see how he detected crap |
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| 22:40.07 | x_link | Sorry guys! =/ |
| 22:40.14 | tarzeau | geo-rge: in soviet russia crap detects and eliminates itself |
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| 22:40.31 | krifur | hi, how can i switch a primary partition from reiserfs to LVM, gparted appently can t do that ...? |
| 22:40.32 | geo-rge | in soviet russia, crap detects YOU! |
| 22:40.40 | goodshit | can you do raid 5 with 8 HD? anyon eknow |
| 22:40.43 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18881/ |
| 22:40.48 | MalMen | hello, how to start the session when system boot? |
| 22:40.51 | x_link | That's my output of "mbmon" |
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| 22:41.09 | ofir | google say it is a but in libstdc++6 |
| 22:41.11 | archpollux | hello |
| 22:41.12 | geo-rge | ok gotta fly |
| 22:41.20 | tarzeau | x_link: looks fine |
| 22:41.24 | archpollux | my keyboard layout in kde was set to evdev before, now I switched it back to 104-key and it keeps setting itself back to evdev every time i restart my session |
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| 22:41.29 | war | goodshit: I do it with 10 raptors |
| 22:41.32 | war | goodshit: 615MB/s read |
| 22:41.34 | x_link | tarzeau: But is 30.0 really my CPU temp or what? |
| 22:41.37 | war | goodshit: 420MB/s write |
| 22:41.38 | archpollux | i tried other layouts, it still resets itself |
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| 22:41.47 | goodshit | nice war :) |
| 22:41.52 | war | :) |
| 22:41.59 | tarzeau | x_link: it's what the sensor sees, yes |
| 22:42.06 | x_link | ok |
| 22:42.12 | tarzeau | x_link: i don't think they are calibrated, it's a mass product, nobody cares about |
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| 22:42.23 | x_link | Okej. |
| 22:42.27 | x_link | Thanks for the help |
| 22:42.35 | BUMBACL0T | ok, i just did: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade and it shows this after downloading it: http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1693/sshotck6.jpg |
| 22:42.39 | tarzeau | x_link: got an nvidia graphics card? |
| 22:42.50 | tarzeau | x_link: you could read that temperature out and the one of the harddisks too... |
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| 22:43.08 | x_link | tarzeau: I have 7600GT yes. |
| 22:43.25 | tarzeau | x_link: then install nvclock and run it w/ -T |
| 22:43.28 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:43.34 | BUMBACL0T | any idea? |
| 22:43.41 | Mazingaro | does anyone want to play prboom? |
| 22:43.43 | BUMBACL0T | should i 'OK' or what |
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| 22:43.52 | x_link | tarzeau: I can't use nvclock anymore =/ |
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| 22:43.59 | x_link | I could 2 weeks ago when I had my 6600GT card. |
| 22:44.14 | x_link | tarzeau: This 7600GT has heatpipe. It doesn't have any fan slot. |
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| 22:44.41 | BUMBACL0T | any fucking idea? |
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| 22:44.45 | x_link | So when I plugged on my GPU Fan I couldn't use nvclock. Cause I had to connect the fan wire to the motherboard, when you don't connect it to the GPU it nvclock doesn't work. |
| 22:44.49 | ofir | someone submited this bug...and it got closed by accident |
| 22:45.22 | hermogenes | BUMBACL0T: Hit OK and reboot the system |
| 22:45.34 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: am i safe to restart, or turn off the card. gtkwifi doesn't acknowledge it yet |
| 22:45.39 | Code-E | Hi, my computer here keeps freezing with debian, and before it crashes i get May 2 14:27:11 HOME NetworkManager: <WARNING>^I nm_dbus_get_networks_cb (): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wi in the error log.... does this mean anything? or is my computer just freezing for no reason? |
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| 22:45.51 | x_link | tarzeau: My hda is on 32C and hdb is on 22C |
| 22:45.55 | BUMBACL0T | hermogenes, did you have the same thing? |
| 22:46.08 | krifur | hi, how can i switch a primary partition from reiserfs to LVM, gparted appently can t do that ...? |
| 22:46.18 | Muisje | 1, 2, 3 i like debian :) |
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| 22:46.31 | petemc | krifur: lvm isnt a filesystem |
| 22:46.36 | Dave_is_sexy | muisje: i like it too. it's neat |
| 22:46.38 | tarzeau | x_link: that's pretty cool |
| 22:46.43 | x_link | Yes |
| 22:46.53 | x_link | tarzeau: My GeForce 7600GT is on 42C |
| 22:46.55 | hermogenes | BUMBACL0T: The upgrade process is just trying to install a new kernel package and debconf is telling you to reboot the system as soon as possible |
| 22:47.06 | x_link | And my computer has been on for 11 days now. So that's pretty ok. |
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| 22:47.27 | Muisje | I never ever considered another linux / *nix based O/S other than Debian and RedFlat, but after just reading the internet and trying it out a bit, I figured, nothing BEATS debian for me. |
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| 22:47.41 | liable | look like someone is paranoid |
| 22:47.43 | hermogenes | BUMBACL0T: so let the upgrade process finish and reboot the system |
| 22:47.47 | Muisje | Ubuntu is just a group of wannabe debians |
| 22:48.06 | Muisje | And now i'll be quiet :) |
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| 22:48.06 | tarzeau | Muisje: we know, try telling that in #ubuntu |
| 22:48.12 | krifur | petemc: yes i understand that but i see on website like this http://www.startcom.org/docs/fr/Guide%20d'administration%20systeme%20StartCom%20Enterprise%20Linux%203.0.x/figs/lvm/lvm-created.png that you have to choose lvm at the type slection |
| 22:48.18 | Code-E | Anyone know what that means^ ? |
| 22:48.30 | Code-E | or any other reason debian would freeze unexpectadily? |
| 22:48.40 | tarzeau | Code-E: it's the kernel that freezes? |
| 22:48.44 | Muisje | Done @ tarzeau |
| 22:48.48 | Code-E | The entire thing |
| 22:48.50 | sebas891 | hi guy, anyone has try to install grub on etch instead of lilo? I'm on amd64 with raid and lvm |
| 22:48.51 | Code-E | It just freezes |
| 22:48.53 | Code-E | does nothing |
| 22:48.58 | Code-E | I can't move the mouse, nothing |
| 22:49.06 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: I think so. its nice to make sure that the module will be runned automatically next boot |
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| 22:49.08 | tarzeau | Code-E: when you do what? hardware problem? ctrl-alt-backspace reacts? network/ping? |
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| 22:49.16 | tarzeau | Code-E: which kernel exactly, version? |
| 22:49.21 | Code-E | the newest one |
| 22:49.23 | Don_Satan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.25 | BUMBACL0T | hermogenes, where do you store spash images/screens? |
| 22:49.29 | Code-E | And it just happens |
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| 22:49.33 | Code-E | randomly |
| 22:49.43 | Don_Satan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.45 | sebas891 | I don't know to go about installing grub on this kind of setup... |
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| 22:50.25 | hermogenes | BUMBACL0T: Sorry, I don't understand your question. |
| 22:50.27 | sebas891 | also, I'm curious of why etch is back with lilo has the default bootloader... |
| 22:50.29 | madclicker | need to install an etch package while ignoring dependencies. Need help plz |
| 22:50.50 | Vasistha | madclicker: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 22:51.04 | madclicker | Vasistha, stable 4.0 |
| 22:51.05 | krifur | how can i set up a LVM partition on an empty reiserfs partition ? |
| 22:51.18 | hermogenes | madclicker: Why would you need that? |
| 22:51.28 | Vasistha | madclicker: what package do you want to install, and what dependency is troubling you? |
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| 22:51.53 | Horoz-Nuri | os[Linux 2.6.18-4-686 i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz @ 3.00GHz] mem[Physical : 2028MB, 91.8% free] disk[Total : 223.97GB, 89.80% Free] video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT]] sound[] |
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| 22:52.24 | madclicker | Vasistha, horde3 wants to remove php5-mysql |
| 22:52.24 | BUMBACL0T | and ? |
| 22:52.29 | Vasistha | !tell krifur -about lvm_tutorial |
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| 22:53.12 | Code-E | Any reason for it freezing at all? |
| 22:53.21 | archpollux | ok this is annoying!!! |
| 22:54.07 | krifur | Vasistha: ^^ but i just want to know if i have to change the fs on my partition (which is a reiserfs one) before set up an LVM on this ? |
| 22:54.07 | Vasistha | madclicker: that's odd. php5-mysql is listed as satisfying a dependency for horde3. Are you using the aptitude front-end? Doing so will likely make it easier for you to resolve the (fictional?) conflict |
| 22:54.16 | archpollux | i have an nfs server and two nfs clients. both of these clients can connect fine to the server, but when i'm accessing a file on one of these clients, it loses connection to the server. the other client has no problem |
| 22:54.42 | Code-E | Hey, it hasn't even freezed yet |
| 22:54.42 | Code-E | :O |
| 22:54.47 | Vasistha | krifur: I had wondered that ... the answer is I don't know, but more importantly, does it really matter? Are you unable to reboot the system and reread the partition table? |
| 22:55.01 | madclicker | Vasistha, yes, aptitude is messed up, apt-get works |
| 22:55.02 | archpollux | the server and the problematic client are both running vanilla 2.6.21.1, and the ok client is running 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 22:55.16 | madclicker | bahh |
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| 22:55.46 | raf256 | how to clone my debian from /dev/hda into /dev/hdb |
| 22:55.53 | krifur | VaLouille: i dont try yet but LVM is a little bit risky for data so i want to be sure about what i am doing |
| 22:55.54 | Vasistha | madclicker: well, perhaps you should fix aptitude? It's difficult at first -- you have to mark quite a few packages as not-automatically-installed, so aptitude doesn't remove them. After you do that, aptitude is a dream to work with -- once you get used to its oddities. |
| 22:56.00 | krifur | oups mistell sry |
| 22:56.01 | raf256 | hdb is noticibly slower and I want it to have different partitions layout |
| 22:56.43 | Vasistha | raf256: well, do you want to do a fresh install of all the packages, or just copy the system over? If the latter, that's what 'tar' is for. |
| 22:57.09 | raf256 | Vasistha: copy over would be nice |
| 22:57.26 | raf256 | so just make partitions and fstab by hand and then cp -ar ? |
| 22:57.47 | Vasistha | raf256: yeah, you should read up on tar. cp -ar will not be able to copy /dev |
| 22:58.00 | raf256 | Vasistha: cp -ar fails on dev? uhm |
| 22:58.07 | Vasistha | raf256: and you shouldn't try to copy /proc ;) |
| 22:58.21 | raf256 | Vasistha: I dont have space to stopry the temporary tar, how to tar-untar etc on the fly? |
| 22:58.40 | raf256 | can't I just not copy /proc and /dev and have debian recreate the, |
| 22:59.30 | Vasistha | raf256: It shouldn't be difficult to do it with pipes; you may need named pipes. |
| 23:00.04 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.15 | Vasistha | raf256: well, I don't think you should copy /proc at all, although you may need to mkdir /proc; as for /dev ... I'm not sure, actually. Since we've got udev nowadays... I'm not sure if you need to copy /dev over |
| 23:00.15 | raf256 | and is there a way to have /dev created from scratch? |
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| 23:00.30 | archpollux | Q@$_)(*^!@$()%!*$)&_!($^_*_%)!$% NFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:00.40 | raf256 | archpollux: use sshfs |
| 23:00.50 | clav | is there some way to check the integrity of all your packages and dependancies? |
| 23:00.55 | Vasistha | raf256: but it ought to be possible to copy /dev by using tar; and the .tar file probably won't actually be that big |
| 23:01.03 | raf256 | Vasistha: hmm ok |
| 23:01.51 | clav | my python broke and i had to symlink to a manual compile to get things going but there was a lot of mess going on, i'd like to be sure all's cool before i reboot |
| 23:01.56 | archpollux | raf256: hmm, ok, thanks, will give it a try |
| 23:02.03 | archpollux | raf256: is it fast? |
| 23:02.09 | raf256 | sshfs and shfs I belive; they are told to be nice |
| 23:02.14 | archpollux | raf256: i'm using this to view movies over the network |
| 23:02.29 | raf256 | archpollux: it shure is secure, it uses ssh so there is some cost |
| 23:02.45 | archpollux | raf256: i don't care about that, it's on my local net |
| 23:02.46 | Vasistha | clav: well, did you try apt-get --reinstall ? |
| 23:02.54 | archpollux | raf256: hmm\ |
| 23:03.00 | raf256 | archpollux: perhaps there is option to disable encoding, try |
| 23:03.06 | itchi | Hi, i want to setup a nis server so i installed the nis package once installed i get binding to YP server .... (with lot's of dot's) Looks like somethings hangs. It's now near 10 minutes i wait. Is that normal it take so long? |
| 23:03.16 | archpollux | raf256: u mean encryption... yeah, i was thinking about that |
| 23:03.24 | clav | Vasistha: to check packages? |
| 23:04.29 | clav | Vasistha: if you mean reinstall python, i wish! python was needed to uninstall python and a billion other things.. it was hell to fix |
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| 23:04.30 | Vasistha | clav: well, I believe it would ensure that everything's installed properly -- although you may want to back up any custom configs first... although most debian installers will auto-detect modified configs, and prompt you |
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| 23:04.54 | archpollux | raf256: thing is i have all perms set up for nfs... this was working before i don |
| 23:05.04 | archpollux | raf256: i don't know what's wrong with the latest NFS |
| 23:05.29 | omri | stupid question: is there a package that contains more comfortable terminal settings? like colorful PS1 variable and such |
| 23:05.57 | Vasistha | !tell omri about dotfiles |
| 23:05.57 | raf256 | archpollux: I didnt liked NFS, not very error tollerant |
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| 23:06.12 | archpollux | raf256: yeah, but it was doing its job before... |
| 23:06.15 | omri | thanks, reading. |
| 23:06.23 | BUMBACL0T | how do you link a link to another link |
| 23:06.25 | BUMBACL0T | ? |
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| 23:06.36 | archpollux | raf256: i'm having no problems on the second client with it |
| 23:06.47 | raf256 | archpollux: dunno |
| 23:07.11 | Vasistha | omri: actually, the best place to ask about this is in #bash ... I believe there's actually a FAQ about it |
| 23:07.14 | omri | Vasistha, I know how to do this stuff myself, I've just asked if there's a package with modified /etc/profile, /etc/bashrc, etc |
| 23:07.26 | clav | something like deborphan maybe, a deb-tree checker, anyone? |
| 23:07.47 | Vasistha | omri: I kinda doubt it. If you take a look at the /etc files that come with debian, they have quite a few features that are commented out, which you can uncomment and thus activate |
| 23:07.52 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: wireless is gone after restart. not in iwconfig. tried modprobe and depmod, but didn't help |
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| 23:08.56 | Vasistha | clav: another thing to check out is man dpkg; there are a few features there that may be useful |
| 23:09.09 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: hum... thats strange... |
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| 23:09.41 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: yes. both things are strange |
| 23:09.53 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: ndiswrapper-1.9 -l still list the card? |
| 23:09.55 | Skipp_OSX | did you guys see the ext3cow article on Slashdot? |
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| 23:09.56 | clav | Vasistha: ya, i did a dpkg -l | grep '^ri' to get alot of things that got messed up in my testing |
| 23:10.22 | clav | Vasistha: well removed, after i tried to reinstall python |
| 23:10.36 | Skipp_OSX | http://www.ext3cow.com/ <-- very cool looking |
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| 23:11.09 | Vasistha | Skipp_OSX: there are some other filesystems that can do stuff like that ... I think ZFS may have some such features, or maybe it's another fs |
| 23:11.15 | omri | Vasistha, saw something interesting in /etc/bash.bashrc, but nothing more than that :\ |
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| 23:11.40 | DawnLight | how do i find out the version of the compiler that was used to compile my kernel? |
| 23:11.57 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: dmesg seems the same as last time, with eth0 as realtek. ndiswrapper-1.9 -l: bash: ndiswrapper-1.9: command not found |
| 23:12.00 | Vasistha | omri: iirc, I had to program my own colored prompt ... I don't remember there actually being a colored one. |
| 23:12.07 | xingu | DawnLight: cat /proc/version |
| 23:12.59 | omri | export PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
| 23:13.02 | omri | this one is nice |
| 23:13.12 | Skipp_OSX | Vasistha: ZFS has snapshots which is kinda sorta the same thing but ZFS is A, doesn't run on Linux, and B, not bootable |
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| 23:13.35 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 23:13.46 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: dpkg --get-selections | grep ndiswrapper |
| 23:13.46 | omri | Vasistha, check this one out export PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ ' |
| 23:13.47 | Vasistha | Skipp_OSX: is zfs a sun project? |
| 23:14.15 | Skipp_OSX | yes |
| 23:14.27 | Vasistha | omri: wow, that is remarkably similar to mine |
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| 23:14.43 | omri | except for the colors? ;) |
| 23:14.47 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: identical |
| 23:14.50 | omri | that's very similar to Gentoo's |
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| 23:15.15 | Skipp_OSX | ZFS is CDDL licenced which means it is darn near impossible to integrate into the Linux kernel |
| 23:15.24 | Vasistha | '' |
| 23:15.28 | Vasistha | erm, oops |
| 23:15.33 | Vasistha | '' |
| 23:15.36 | Vasistha | hum |
| 23:15.39 | omri | oops again :P |
| 23:16.00 | Vasistha | heh, I guess my konvi environment doesn't have a PS1 XD |
| 23:16.01 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: Does it lists ndiswrapper-1.9 as installed? |
| 23:16.02 | Vasistha | '\[\033[1;34m\]\u\[\033[1;30m\]@\[\033[0;31m\]\h\[\033[1;30m\]:\[\033[1;34m\]\w\[\033[0m\]$ ' |
| 23:16.06 | omri | lets see |
| 23:16.24 | Vasistha | I've been meaning to integrate the chroot back in ... but I have little motivation, as I have never used a chroot, and am not sure when I will do so |
| 23:16.24 | omri | the other one is nicer :) |
| 23:16.38 | Vasistha | there's no accounting for taste ;) |
| 23:16.42 | omri | but pretty similar indeed |
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| 23:16.58 | cafuego | '\u@\h:\w\n; ' |
| 23:17.01 | cafuego | nice & short |
| 23:17.09 | JordiGH | Hey, some videos I just downloaded off youtube, any way to encode them into a more family-friendly format? |
| 23:17.11 | omri | \[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 23:17.16 | omri | that's gentoo's (for users) |
| 23:17.25 | cafuego | and no matter where in the dir tree I am, I always have a full line for commands. |
| 23:17.27 | tarzeau | JordiGH: using mencoder ? |
| 23:17.28 | omri | \[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] |
| 23:17.29 | omri | for root |
| 23:17.34 | litage | why would /usr/bin/top say that a certain process is using 99% cpu, but /usr/bin/htop say it's using 0%? |
| 23:17.48 | omri | litage, what's ps aux saying? |
| 23:17.51 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Okie dokie. I was apt-cache searching, but I couldn't find something that could clearly do it. |
| 23:17.55 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: http://pastebin.ca/468208 actually no. :S |
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| 23:18.13 | tarzeau | JordiGH: debian doesn't ship mencoder, i do: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/ |
| 23:18.15 | Vasistha | I was hanging out in #bash the other day and this guy was trying to figure out -- and did figure out -- how to integrate the previous "$?" into his PS1 ... it involved an interesting hack that works remarkably well! He also had the date/time in there... heh, it was a two-line PS1 XD |
| 23:18.16 | JordiGH | omri: KDE has a friendlier frontend to process listings, if you prefer... |
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| 23:18.18 | abcdef | can someone tell me why people using gentoo |
| 23:18.25 | tarzeau | abcdef: ask #gentoo |
| 23:18.28 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 23:18.28 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ or see <overfiendsphallus> |
| 23:18.32 | omri | JordiGH, was that for me? |
| 23:18.45 | litage | omri: n/m, my bad =P |
| 23:18.47 | JordiGH | tarzeau: So does Marillat. Patent related reasons, I guess? |
| 23:18.48 | abcdef | all the said was blah blah blah |
| 23:18.57 | abcdef | they |
| 23:18.58 | JordiGH | omri: I prefaced it with your name, so yes. |
| 23:18.58 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i don't like marillats' packages |
| 23:19.01 | cafuego | abcdef: That's exactly right then. |
| 23:19.10 | omri | gentoo is nice, for learning a bit more about how linux works |
| 23:19.16 | abcdef | oh |
| 23:19.20 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: were you root when you runned ndiswrapper-1.9 -l? |
| 23:19.27 | Vasistha | tarzeau: huh, so one should get mplayer packages from either marillat or from you, rather than from debian sources, in order to get mencoder? Or is mencoder a separate package? |
| 23:19.30 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Really? I've heard that he's a cretin that deserves to be hung by the balls. What's wrong with his packages? |
| 23:19.35 | Aim_Here | slackware is better for that than gentoo |
| 23:19.35 | cafuego | omri: No, it's really not. |
| 23:19.42 | omri | JordiGH, well, I don't see how "process listing" relates to anything I've said in the last 10 minutes :) |
| 23:19.42 | tarzeau | Vasistha: debian doesn't have mencoder |
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| 23:19.47 | tarzeau | Vasistha: yes either get it from me or marillat |
| 23:19.49 | JordiGH | omri: Weren't you talking about ps? |
| 23:20.00 | Aim_Here | watching compiler spew scroll past doesn't really teach you much. |
| 23:20.15 | tarzeau | JordiGH: what you heard is right. his packages suck beyond gnomes meta package dependencies |
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| 23:20.21 | omri | JordiGH, that was for litage> why would /usr/bin/top say that a certain process is using 99% cpu, but /usr/bin/htop say it's using 0%? |
| 23:20.22 | karsten | Vasistha: PROMPT_COMMAND='PS1="[\u@\h:\W]$(smiley)"' |
| 23:20.43 | JordiGH | tarzeau: What's the suckage about? |
| 23:20.43 | Vasistha | karsten: hah! yeah, that was it! Was it you? |
| 23:20.44 | karsten | Vasistha: smiley () { test "$?" -eq 0 && echo '$ ' || echo -e "\[\033[1;33;40m\]:(\[\033[0m\] ; } |
| 23:20.55 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: er... maybe. lol. i will try as root |
| 23:20.57 | karsten | Vasistha: It's a fairly well-known hack. |
| 23:20.57 | Vasistha | omri: you should consider using a '#' for root's prompt -- it is rather a standard |
| 23:21.03 | tarzeau | JordiGH: everytime marillat creates a multibinary debian package god murders a kitten |
| 23:21.08 | karsten | Vasistha: Now: run 'true' and 'false' |
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| 23:21.10 | omri | Vasistha, bash replaces it by itself :) |
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| 23:21.19 | JordiGH | tarzeau: C'mon, specifics... I need to know what's bad about them. |
| 23:21.23 | omri | or it used to :) |
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| 23:22.35 | omri | IIRC it did it to me once |
| 23:22.35 | omri | but now I don't see it happening |
| 23:22.35 | karsten | Vasistha: Or if you're truly evil, you'll use 'csh' for root's shell and set prompt to "$ " |
| 23:22.35 | tarzeau | JordiGH: he rapes upstream software, he just does too many changes and i don't like his versioning, dependencies, repository |
| 23:22.36 | JordiGH | !rape |
| 23:22.36 | dpkg | from memory, rape is forced sexual intercourse widely considered a serious offense throughout the world and not a word to be treated lightly, as it offends some people's personhood at a very deep level. |
| 23:22.36 | psychonate | can't get my wireless bridge to work with the neighbor's network :( |
| 23:22.36 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: netw33 : driver installed / device (1050:0033) present :) yay |
| 23:22.36 | karsten | Vasistha: Anyhow, those two lines are in my ~/.bashrc |
| 23:22.36 | tarzeau | JordiGH: there's not much stuff i do myself rather than others let it do it for me. but mplayer is one such thing |
| 23:22.37 | Dave_is_sex1 | how strange that you have to be root just to look |
| 23:22.37 | tarzeau | among lame, nethack and a few more |
| 23:22.44 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: do the following: # aptitude install modconf |
| 23:22.45 | omri | Vasistha, try that as root export PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] ' |
| 23:22.53 | omri | it replaces $ to # |
| 23:22.58 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: then run: # modconf |
| 23:23.10 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Those all seem very unspecific... although I do see he usually version with SVN or CVS packages with dates. However, his packages have always worked for me, policy breaking as they might be. |
| 23:23.11 | omri | if you escape $ it uses # for root and $ for user |
| 23:23.15 | omri | cool! :) |
| 23:23.24 | karsten | Is there any single-character equivalent to ':' for false? |
| 23:23.26 | omri | export PS1='\$ ' |
| 23:23.39 | tarzeau | JordiGH: his packages often caused me headache and trouble, thus my own packaging |
| 23:23.49 | tarzeau | JordiGH: so what's his current version? |
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| 23:24.42 | JordiGH | tarzeau: What kind of headache? Wouldn't work? His current version of mencoder is 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3 |
| 23:24.46 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: nice ap! |
| 23:25.00 | karsten | JordiGH: An elbow headache. The worst kind! |
| 23:25.18 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and mine is 1.0rc1+20070307+dfsg |
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| 23:26.02 | JordiGH | tarzeau: So yours is newer... and what's dfsg about it if it's already not in Debian for patent-related reasons? |
| 23:26.17 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: at the botton of the list (misc/lib...) hit enter and select ndiswrapper |
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| 23:26.31 | tarzeau | JordiGH: * Removed upstream debian/ directory. |
| 23:26.40 | tarzeau | JordiGH: read the rest at http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mplayer/mplayer_1.0rc1+20070307+dfsg-1_i386.changes |
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| 23:26.47 | JordiGH | tarzeau: That's it? That's not a dfsg change. |
| 23:26.50 | JordiGH | Oh, more changes. |
| 23:26.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: yes it is |
| 23:27.01 | tarzeau | JordiGH: http://people.debian.org/~daniel//documents/packaging.html |
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| 23:27.28 | JordiGH | It's one thing to fix a package to fit policy; it's another to make a change to change the freeness of a package in order to satisfy the dfsg. |
| 23:27.39 | JordiGH | -dfsg versions are the ones that are discussed in debian-legal. |
| 23:27.41 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 23:27.50 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: ... please enter any command line arguments |
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| 23:28.17 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: just hit enter |
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| 23:28.39 | tarzeau | JordiGH: there's also +dfsg packages not discussed at debian-legal |
| 23:28.40 | Dave_is_sex1 | yay. ..and close |
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| 23:29.17 | JordiGH | tarzeau: The link you gave me recommends to label it +debian, not +dfgs. |
| 23:29.18 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: the module should be up now and would be up next time you boot |
| 23:29.22 | JordiGH | +dfsg |
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| 23:29.37 | tarzeau | JordiGH: that's right |
| 23:29.41 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: yeah it is! thanks again. i'll reboot noe |
| 23:29.43 | Dave_is_sex1 | *now |
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| 23:29.55 | JordiGH | tarzeau: So you made other changes with hopes of getting mencoder into Debian? |
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| 23:30.10 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no, i don't want to get mencoder into debian, don't lie! |
| 23:30.28 | Naib | can I install debian via SSH, ie boot the CD, but then login to the machine for the install elsewhere (headless setup) |
| 23:30.30 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i just said i make my own packages of things that are unusable to me provided by debian |
| 23:30.38 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Then wtf are you making a DFSG-compliant package or claim to do so via your versoni number? |
| 23:30.40 | JordiGH | version |
| 23:30.53 | tarzeau | JordiGH: is it forbidden not to make proper packages? |
| 23:31.09 | tarzeau | JordiGH: is the text dfsg in version strings a debian trademark? |
| 23:31.10 | JordiGH | tarzeau: No, it's just dumb to label it dfsg if legal issues aren't the issue. |
| 23:31.22 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i love you too, fucktard? |
| 23:31.43 | tarzeau | JordiGH: as you have found out already it must be debian not dfsg, so what? |
| 23:31.55 | JordiGH | tarzeau: *sigh* Look, it's just a dumb version number, and it's kinda dumb to complain about Marillat's version numbers if yours are mislabelling too. |
| 23:32.09 | saar | does anyone know how to configure exim to resolve a specific hostname to a specific address, say 200.10.10.10 resolves to smtp1.domain.org, instead of what the dns server supplies |
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| 23:32.20 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i don't care about the error in the version number, i care about the functionality in the software |
| 23:32.28 | muhoo_ | what's the difference between acpi=noirq and pci=noacpi? |
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| 23:32.35 | tarzeau | JordiGH: look if you're dull enough to be happy with marillats packages, go ahead, nobody is stopping you |
| 23:32.39 | muhoo_ | is it a palindrome? |
| 23:32.42 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Well, if you don't care, then don't complain about Marillat's versioning. Complain about the other things. |
| 23:32.44 | tarzeau | JordiGH: they just don't work for me |
| 23:32.55 | sebas891 | hi I'm installing etch and I got stuck at the lilo install... |
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| 23:33.29 | tarzeau | JordiGH: look marillat repos were unreachable, they were outdated, they had broken versions and they were a pain to build yourself, that's just enough for me to start my own repo |
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| 23:33.46 | tarzeau | JordiGH: if you don't like me complain about his , put me on /ignore |
| 23:33.50 | hermogenes | sebas891: lilo? etch uses grub. |
| 23:33.50 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I've had none of those problems, but then again, I've never attempted to build them. |
| 23:33.59 | JordiGH | tarzeau: No, those are very valid complaints. |
| 23:34.02 | tarzeau | JordiGH: since when are you using them then? |
| 23:34.05 | CaT[tm] | tarz: www.debian-multimedia.org works for me. |
| 23:34.12 | tarzeau | CaT[tm]: did i say now? |
| 23:34.13 | JordiGH | tarzeau: A year or so... |
| 23:34.21 | hermogenes | sebas891: there's an error message? |
| 23:34.28 | sebas891 | hermogenes: well. on etch amd64... I don't see the grub option. |
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| 23:34.45 | sebas891 | I would much prefer grub... but it's not there :( |
| 23:34.46 | CaT[tm] | tarz: I was using it before it had its own domain name without hassles |
| 23:34.52 | karsten | stew: You awake? |
| 23:34.57 | tarzeau | CaT[tm]: wonderful for you |
| 23:35.00 | hermogenes | sebas891: ops... amd64. thats right |
| 23:35.05 | sebas891 | hermogenes: it got stuck at 50 % |
| 23:35.13 | CaT[tm] | tarz: no need to get an attitude. |
| 23:35.18 | tarzeau | CaT[tm]: i'm not trying to convince anyone to use my repo. i'm just telling it's there |
| 23:35.22 | karsten | stew: I think you sorted my last "aptitutde hangs updating packages" issues by deleting something. If you remember what that was I'd appreciate it. |
| 23:35.50 | karsten | stew: I've restarted update several times, changed mirrors, and cleaned /var/lib/apt/lists/ several times. |
| 23:35.54 | karsten | Anyone else as well. |
| 23:36.00 | sebas891 | hermogenes: I installed rc of the d-i and grub was there... now it is gone. any idea why ? |
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| 23:36.40 | hermogenes | sebas891: no. i dont know why |
| 23:37.47 | goodshit | anyone know of a program to decode mmcache encoder? |
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| 23:38.35 | sebas891 | hermogenes: is there a way to get where the installer is stuck with the lilo install? |
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| 23:39.28 | AndroidData | ok. how do I get VLC to work? it keeps freezing up. same for totem |
| 23:39.44 | omri | is there an init script that saves\restores iptables rules automatically? (no, I don't want to add iptables-load to rc.local) |
| 23:39.48 | AndroidData | meanwhile gnome is able to play system sounds properly |
| 23:40.03 | hermogenes | sebas891: The only way I can foresee is to try to switch to another virtual terminal and figure out whats going on from there |
| 23:40.35 | hermogenes | sebas891: try alt+ctrl+f2 |
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| 23:44.22 | hermogenes | AndroidData: try to run them on a terminal in verbose mode and send us the output so we can try to figure out whats going on |
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| 23:45.03 | clav | anyone know why when i quit a man [some page] i get grotty:/tmp/zmanikofWz:6083:fatal error: output error |
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| 23:45.18 | JordiGH | clav: I've been getting that too... |
| 23:45.49 | JordiGH | clav: but only with some manpages. The gcc manpage does it for me. |
| 23:45.50 | Vasistha | clav: hum, do you also get it in the virtual terminal? |
| 23:46.52 | AndroidData | [00000353] esd audio output error: cannot open esound socket (format 0x00001021 at 44100 Hz) |
| 23:46.52 | clav | Vasistha: which is the 'virtual terminal' ? |
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| 23:47.01 | moth | sounds like the rendered man page is not being cached to file, and the next program in the pipe hasn't read everything yet. |
| 23:47.02 | AndroidData | and before that |
| 23:47.02 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 23:47.04 | AndroidData | /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 23:47.28 | JordiGH | Or are there invariant sections in the manpage? I don't see any RMS rants in it. |
| 23:47.43 | tarzeau | JordiGH: yes it's annoying |
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| 23:48.23 | clav | ya i don't have a man gcc either 'man 7 undocumented' |
| 23:48.28 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I really feel like submitting a bug report. |
| 23:48.40 | tarzeau | JordiGH: go ahead, i hate debian for this too |
| 23:48.42 | moth | info gcc is the canonical documentation |
| 23:48.43 | JordiGH | clav: The manpage is in nonfree, along with the rest of the gcc docs. |
| 23:48.50 | tarzeau | clav: it's not a secret |
| 23:49.22 | clav | tarzeau: the gcc or the grotty:/tmp/zmanikofWz:6083:fatal error: output error |
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| 23:50.29 | hermogenes | I think the criticism debian adresses to GFDL is justified |
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| 23:50.40 | deb1 | g2g need to install 36G scsi hd in server get the old data off then wipe it bye |
| 23:50.41 | clav | ahh, there we go .. apt-get install gcc-doc fixed it |
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| 23:51.00 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: thanks for the help. everything is loading fine now. i haven't managed to connect to the net yet, but will have to go to bed and try tomorrow. thanks again!! |
| 23:51.16 | clav | still get the "grotty:/tmp/zmanikofWz:6083:fatal error: output error" though |
| 23:51.27 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: You welcome. |
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| 23:51.51 | Vasistha | clav: virtual terminals = ctrl+alt+f2 .. ctrl+alt+f6 (and ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to the gui) |
| 23:53.10 | clav | Vasistha: right .. i dunno, my VTs don't seem to work in enlightenment |
| 23:53.10 | deb1 | powering down filebin.info back up asap |
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| 23:54.27 | clav | Vasistha: if i ssh in from a remote system i still get it, would that count? |
| 23:55.39 | Vasistha | clav: yeah. someone else said something that sounded like it was probably closer to the problem |
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| 23:57.24 | Seb | how do I figure out the brand/model of a given harddrive, knowing its device name ? |
| 23:57.48 | x_link | amphi: Hi again, you said thatmy sensors was messed up. Shouldn't my hddtemp be messed up as well then? |
| 23:57.57 | rahul | > cat /proc/ide/hda/model <(qj |
| 23:58.00 | rahul | > cat /proc/ide/hda/model <(qjMAXTOR 6L060J3 |
| 23:58.14 | rahul | now that's really retarded behavior |
| 23:58.21 | x_link | Cause hddtemp works just fine, isn't CPU and hdds using the "same" sensors? |
| 23:58.28 | rahul | x_link: no |
| 23:58.42 | rahul | x_link: your HD temp is read using SMART |
| 23:59.00 | rahul | I'm hungry |
| 23:59.10 | x_link | Ohh ok |
| 23:59.15 | Seb | rahul: thanks man |
| 23:59.20 | JordiGH | hermogenes: Hear hear. DDs are being dumb over the GFDL. "Oh noes! Two pages of an RMS rant in a 400+ page manual! Send it to hell and non-free!" |
| 23:59.43 | Seb | rahul: what about scsi/sata ? |
| 23:59.48 | x_link | rahul: acpi -t really doesn't works for me, it shows 40C Degress all the time and I don't think that "mbmon" shows the right CPU temp either. |
