| 00:00.18 | rahul | cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 00:00.18 | rahul | Vendor: CONNER Model: CTMS 3200 Rev: 7.08 |
| 00:00.18 | x_link | rahul: lm-sensors doesn't work with my kernel. Do you know any program that I can use to check my CPU temp in Debian? |
| 00:00.28 | Seb | JordiGH: you can troll elsewhere |
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| 00:00.31 | x_link | rahul: Any program that is relieable? |
| 00:00.36 | clav | man [somepage] does create the proper file in /tmp |
| 00:00.41 | rahul | x_link: programs are irrelevant. it's the thing that accesses the hardware that matters. |
| 00:00.46 | rahul | the driver for the sensor chip |
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| 00:01.00 | JordiGH | And the whole "you can't make a reference card out of the Emacs manual" is dumb too. Small excerpts are covered under Fair Use. |
| 00:01.02 | clav | moth: ^^ |
| 00:01.03 | rahul | all the programs will use that same driver |
| 00:01.15 | JordiGH | Seb: I am. I just emailed debian-legal. :-) |
| 00:01.26 | Seb | JordiGH: good, let's keep it there then. |
| 00:01.31 | hermogenes | JordiGH: :-), maybe you're right... maybe they are making too much fuss about that invariant section... |
| 00:01.59 | x_link | rahul: Hmm ok, but do you know anything I could try? |
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| 00:02.55 | clav | what package is grotty in? |
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| 00:03.27 | rahul | x_link: acpi and lm-sensors are all I know of |
| 00:03.50 | rahul | clav: dpkg -S ... |
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| 00:04.41 | clav | rahul: thanks! thats always bugged me |
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| 00:05.41 | clav | crap, a reinstall of groff-base didn't fix it |
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| 00:05.53 | Seb | rahul: so that works for IDE, but not the rest :\ |
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| 00:06.02 | x_link | rahul: Okej, so acpi -t shows the cpu temp then. Cause when I look in BIOS it shows 31-33C. mbmon shows 30-32C and acpi -t ALWAYS shows 40C |
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| 00:06.38 | clav | in a ls -Al --color=auto what does a solid green directory color mean |
| 00:07.07 | x_link | rahul: Thanks for your help! I appreciate it |
| 00:07.28 | x_link | Time to go to bed, Good night everybody! |
| 00:07.34 | Vasistha | clav: it probably means it's a directory that's writable by "others", as in perms 777, or o+w |
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| 00:08.06 | clav | Vasistha: ya i think you're right - its 777 anyway |
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| 00:08.48 | clav | Vasistha: ya, you are. just tested it |
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| 00:10.01 | Vasistha | clav: dircolors -p |
| 00:10.26 | hermogenes | nina paula |
| 00:11.03 | grumbel | is there any easy/quick/painless workaround to get Nvidia drivers compiled on linux2.6.20 (bailsout due to same GPL symbol para_virt_ops or so)? |
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| 00:11.21 | clav | Vasistha: sweet! thanks |
| 00:11.29 | hermogenes | kids cant see a computer... |
| 00:11.30 | shwag | how come if I do a iostat -k -d 2 , and i continuously see kB_wrtn/s around 300 even though there is nothing much happening on the machine. |
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| 00:14.35 | kupesoft | What's the good computer that will drain low power that's good for a nat gateway / wireless router / web server to put debian on? |
| 00:14.42 | clav | shwag: is it swap? |
| 00:14.51 | shwag | clav: that the only thing i could think of. |
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| 00:15.00 | shwag | clav: didnt know linux swaps every few seconds. |
| 00:15.15 | clav | shwag: do a top to check |
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| 00:15.35 | fdisix | There's some ncurses interface that lets me add repos to aptitude. What is this? Because, I used it a long time ago but don't remember what it is |
| 00:15.40 | Vasistha | maybe a laptop with one of those low-voltage cpu's? Of course, laptops come with their own compatibility problems |
| 00:15.54 | fdisix | Also, and I've already seen !multiarch and it didn't answer, is Etch multiarch? |
| 00:16.44 | Vasistha | fdisix: I believe the answer is "yes" although I'm not 100% certain. As for repos, most of us just use a text editor. sources.list is pretty simple. |
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| 00:17.56 | fdisix | Vasistha, I know, and that's cool and what I usually do, but, that interface let me choose to add Debian mirrors and it's a lot easier than going finding them and typing them in by hand. |
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| 00:22.32 | roffelz | hi pals. I have a sarge install that used to run on a box with a realtek 8139 nic; I moved the hard drive to a box with a marvell gigabit nic (shows as 'skge' in output of 'dmesg').. but if I try to 'ifconfig' it, I get "no such device". Any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
| 00:22.38 | deb1 | i install a new hd close up the case and boot the server then relized i furgot too plug all the hard drive ribbion cables in;; im such an idiot |
| 00:23.10 | raf256 | Finally! They choosed me to be the next debian leader |
| 00:23.24 | raf256 | or, more exacly, guy LIKE me (in terms of seeing debian goals) |
| 00:23.50 | Vasistha | deb1: yeah, that's why I never close up cases until I see that everything's working |
| 00:23.51 | raf256 | beeing more user friendly ; less ascethic ; stop loosing market to ubuntu |
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| 00:24.07 | raf256 | perhaps they will even remove the 1990's console default beeping as well even! :) |
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| 00:24.58 | deb1 | same but the cp is in a weard position and yhe case big and cloonky |
| 00:25.04 | JordiGH | Loose market, what a slu. |
| 00:25.05 | JordiGH | slut. |
| 00:25.06 | spacefrog | Is it safe to remove the contents of the /root directory to clear all the files that i've been using (firefox, email, etc) ? |
| 00:25.31 | JordiGH | raf256: Can't wait to hear Dell saying they'll also pre-install Debian. ;-) |
| 00:25.35 | deb1 | ok spining up scsi's finally lol |
| 00:25.41 | rares000 | ok so what's up with apache it rolls around for even short php scripts |
| 00:25.43 | raf256 | JordiGH: huh? |
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| 00:26.06 | fdisix | spacefrog, you shouldn't have any Firefox, email things in /root because you shouldn't run Firefox or email as root. |
| 00:26.07 | raf256 | JordiGH: Im sorry, what? Ofcourse I ment users to be exact, not market in usuall meaning |
| 00:26.07 | Vasistha | spacefrog: uhm, you should *not* be using firefox and email as root |
| 00:26.14 | JordiGH | raf256: Dell announced yesterday it would pre-install Ubuntu. |
| 00:26.16 | spacefrog | yeah, yeah.. |
| 00:26.17 | spacefrog | i know |
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| 00:26.23 | spacefrog | I was testing my web app |
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| 00:26.32 | JordiGH | raf256: Sorry, was picking on your spelling. Lose vs loose. |
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| 00:26.48 | rares000 | why is X running as root! |
| 00:27.07 | raf256 | JordiGH: congratulate dell :) |
| 00:27.13 | fdisix | spacefrog, yeah ... that'll remove all of root's settings, but also everything you have saved there. |
| 00:27.21 | fdisix | Better than removing /root |
| 00:27.30 | fdisix | is cding to it and rm -rf * |
| 00:27.31 | raf256 | perhaps when debian stops focusing on beeing noob userUNfriendly they will preinstall it more as well |
| 00:27.43 | spacefrog | fdisix, thanks. I wont be using x or any apps as root anymore |
| 00:27.50 | fdisix | spacefrog, ok : ) |
| 00:27.54 | JordiGH | raf256: I see lots of efforts to attract the n00bs. The install GUI is one such example. |
| 00:27.56 | raf256 | I would love distro stable like debian but with some nice things as ubuntu (but not too much) |
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| 00:28.34 | raf256 | JordiGH: I see lots of efford to irritate new users, like the consoBEEEEEEEPle beeing all the timBEEEEPe when someone uses console for firsBEEEEPt timBEEEPe |
| 00:28.37 | JordiGH | rares000: You mean /usr/bin/X? |
| 00:28.59 | fdisix | raf256, you can install any of the software in Ubuntu on your Debian machine. |
| 00:29.15 | JordiGH | raf256: Heh. My Konsole has a graphical beep. Beryl renders this beep by wiggling the console. Maybe we can make it the default in lenny. ;-) |
| 00:29.17 | raf256 | fdisix: yes, but ubuntu is configured to be more user fridnly of of the box |
| 00:29.21 | fdisix | if you want totem to ask you what codecs to install, I'm sure that wouldn't be too difficult to rig up. |
| 00:29.43 | raf256 | JordiGH: or simply turn the damn beep OFF by default, its a ONE LINE patch for gods sake |
| 00:29.57 | fdisix | raf256, yeah, it does. Maybe you should start your own distribution. |
| 00:29.58 | spacefrog | If i want to work off my server in /var/www, rather than using root - How should i configure a user to have access to this directory/subdirectories? |
| 00:30.14 | raf256 | fdisix: I already did |
| 00:30.32 | fdisix | raf256, ok ... maybe you should worry about that instead of Debian. |
| 00:30.43 | fdisix | and making it what you want |
| 00:30.46 | raf256 | fdisix: but I would like to see debian have bigger success |
| 00:30.46 | Vasistha | spacefrog: put your user in the www-data group |
| 00:31.03 | JordiGH | I just wish Debian to be more reasonable about the GFDL. |
| 00:31.13 | spacefrog | thanks Vasistha |
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| 00:31.46 | fdisix | raf256, Debian is a huge success already. Without Debian, there would be no Ubuntu, and Debian remains important to Ubuntu and all the others based off of it. |
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| 00:32.37 | linux2 | anyone know how to make a syslinux floppy |
| 00:32.53 | raf256 | fdisix: yet, now ubuntu is more popular then its "mother" |
| 00:32.54 | linux2 | i am trying to but the instructions on the syslinux page aren't very good |
| 00:33.08 | fdisix | raf256, so? |
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| 00:33.09 | raf256 | few things done right and good marketing should fix it |
| 00:33.21 | raf256 | fdisix: so, debian is on a good way to loose much of community to ubuntu |
| 00:33.37 | raf256 | less community eventually leads to less interest and less development power/speed |
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| 00:33.55 | Azar | raf256: as a debian fan I am glad to see that |
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| 00:33.59 | Vasistha | linux2: are you running debian right now? |
| 00:34.06 | JordiGH | Debian's community doesn't seem dead to me in any way. Ubuntu's success is all the more success for us, especially for the Ubuntites who think that Ubuntu is Debian. :-) |
| 00:34.15 | raf256 | Azar: you are glad that debian is less popular? |
| 00:34.20 | linux2 | Vasistha: yeah |
| 00:34.27 | fdisix | raf256, Debian is not about having the most marketshare; especially when so many of the more popular distributions still merge in Debian packages and rely so heavily on the way Debian does things; Debian's grunt work allows Ubuntu to focus on better user experience. |
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| 00:34.37 | Azar | raf256: in a very precise way yes... it shields debian from the hitting debris |
| 00:34.38 | Vasistha | linux2: did you see the instructions on the faq for, how do I create a bootable floppy? |
| 00:34.40 | linux2 | im trying to follow this tutorial but it lacks details: http://howto.gumph.org/content/pxe-boot-a-laptop/ |
| 00:34.40 | raf256 | JordiGH: I dont say its dying, but it could be expanding faster |
| 00:34.49 | fdisix | raf256, when people go to Ubuntu, Debian doesn't lose. |
| 00:34.52 | raf256 | Azar: how exacly? |
| 00:35.00 | linux2 | Vasistha: yeah and to be honest... the faq sucks |
| 00:35.01 | Azar | popularity is not allways good, mainly when it comes in excess |
| 00:35.25 | Azar | there where ubuntu becomes really useful for us |
| 00:35.51 | Vasistha | linux2: what problem are you having, anyway? |
| 00:35.53 | Azar | raf256: popularity= beware of what you are wishing |
| 00:36.03 | raf256 | fdisix: when people go to ubuntu, they dont usually use regular debian, so less testers, less possible future contibutors, less interest -> less donations, less "funds" (donations? man power? giving services or whatever, probably money is not used?) related to "beeig popular" |
| 00:36.07 | linux2 | Vasistha: take a look at this page http://howto.gumph.org/content/pxe-boot-a-laptop/ |
| 00:36.21 | linux2 | Vasistha: i am trying to boot PXE off of a pcmcia card in a laptop |
| 00:36.27 | Vasistha | linux2: I see it. What, do you want me to read the whole thing and give you my opinion? |
| 00:36.44 | linux2 | Vasistha: well no, i really just need help with the syslinux step |
| 00:36.57 | Azar | raf256: besides, we do have people moving from ubuntu to debian without much noise... those who really got the taste of a linux distro but want something more stable |
| 00:37.01 | pietro_rc | Many distros are not nearly as popular as Ubuntu and they're not having any problems in development whatsoever |
| 00:37.01 | raf256 | Azar: if Dell would preinstall debian, some debian devels/organizations/etc would get some help - money, hardware, services, press support, marketing or whatever I guess |
| 00:37.14 | Vasistha | linux2: and which step is that? copying syslinux onto a floppy? formatting the floppy? ??? |
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| 00:37.42 | fdisix | raf256, some Ubuntu users recognize where Ubuntu comes from, and even if Debian has fewer devs, fewer testers, etc., Ubuntu still helps a lot. |
| 00:37.48 | Azar | raf256: myself ( and I believe many more like me ) don't are much fans of Dell, myself I have all my PCs custom made, DRM-free |
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| 00:37.56 | linux2 | http://syslinux.zytor.com/faq.php |
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| 00:38.08 | linux2 | Vasistha: take a look at the section that says creating a bootable floppy |
| 00:38.25 | Vasistha | I think unfortunately too many ubuntu realize where ubuntu comes from, thus harassing us in #debian with ubuntu questions :D |
| 00:38.25 | fdisix | The different distributions are less about competing with each other and more about different audiences. Ubuntu goes after your grandma, which isn't really Debian's marketshare. |
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| 00:38.25 | raf256 | fdisix: shouldnt we insterad have more devels, some packages ARE getting *old* (loke - year old) |
| 00:38.25 | linux2 | In order to create a bootable Linux floppy using SYSLINUX, prepare a normal MS-DOS formatted floppy. Copy one or more Linux kernel files to it |
| 00:38.25 | raf256 | *like |
| 00:38.40 | linux2 | Vasistha: its that line i need help with. i cannot find any linux kernels that fit on a floppy |
| 00:38.45 | fdisix | raf256, this isn't because of Ubuntu; this is because Debian development is slow. |
| 00:38.45 | Azar | raf256: I think Debian is not lacking help and support and if that would be the case, it would only take a small request and donations will flood |
| 00:39.05 | Vasistha | linux2: oh! so that's your question! I don't need to read all these instructions -- your REAL question is that you need to find a linux kernel that fits on a floppy, huh? |
| 00:39.08 | fdisix | Indeed; even from Canonical and others who rely on Debian |
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| 00:39.21 | pietro_rc | I honestly think it doesn't matter which distribution is the most popular as long as people are using free systems. |
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| 00:39.40 | kairu0 | pietro_rc, amen |
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| 00:40.01 | Azar | raf256: based on what fdisix just said... you found a clear explanation to what I just said before |
| 00:40.16 | rares000 | ok this is ridiculous apache goes into a tizzy every time I load this page |
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| 00:40.32 | rares000 | http://rares.mountserver.net/Projects/Pharmacy/index2.php |
| 00:40.33 | linux2 | Vasistha: yeah pretty much |
| 00:40.53 | rares000 | careful it will eat your browser |
| 00:41.11 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, it would have been nice if you started with that question: "I am trying to make a syslinux floppy. Does anyone know where I can find an appropriate linux kernel that fits on a floppy?" |
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| 00:42.13 | Vasistha | linux2: unfortunately, I'm not sure where to look. |
| 00:42.22 | fdisix | I'm sure even Red Hat would contribute resources if Debian was in trouble. |
| 00:42.24 | raf256 | Azar: so why it develops so slooooooooow |
| 00:42.33 | raf256 | Azar: like using like year old fluxbox afair |
| 00:42.37 | pietro_rc | man I miss my boxes. |
| 00:42.39 | fdisix | raf256, because that's Debian's model. |
| 00:42.51 | pietro_rc | stuck with Windows at my friend's house for the night :p |
| 00:42.54 | raf256 | what exacly is the rule? |
| 00:43.14 | raf256 | there where new stable fluxboxes afair during that year |
| 00:43.23 | Azar | raf256: it is about quality software, not about quickies, or caving in on stomping customers |
| 00:43.28 | raf256 | I dont say I need the last week one, but the one from 2 months old at least |
| 00:43.37 | raf256 | old == low quality often |
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| 00:43.49 | raf256 | especially in case of kernel (old == buggy / not working drivers) |
| 00:43.52 | rares000 | you can use the testing braches and unstable branches too you know |
| 00:43.59 | fdisix | raf256, it sounds like your better suited for Ubuntu or something like that ;) |
| 00:44.05 | fdisix | you're* |
| 00:44.06 | raf256 | on stable debian I cant even use my sound card untill i build own kernel |
| 00:44.12 | pietro_rc | which are pretty stable despite their names :p |
| 00:44.15 | Vasistha | rares000: looks kinda like a php var_dump |
| 00:44.22 | raf256 | fdisix: I build by hand in situations like that |
| 00:44.29 | Azar | raf256: all packages in debian stable are thoroughly tested, reviewed and patched before a new version is released |
| 00:44.43 | rares000 | Vasistha why does it take so long to run? |
| 00:44.44 | Azar | if it takes time, well it takes time |
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| 00:44.53 | Vasistha | rares000: sounds like a question for ##php |
| 00:44.58 | Azar | mister Guerin, good evening |
| 00:45.07 | Vasistha | rares000: though to more directly answer your question -- probably bad php code |
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| 00:45.17 | raf256 | Azar: so lets at least have new kernels even in stable |
| 00:45.22 | Vasistha | rares000: or an overloaded server ... or both |
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| 00:45.41 | rares000 | raf just use the testing branch |
| 00:46.00 | Guerin | rares000: it's useless trying to reason with this one |
| 00:46.08 | rares000 | if the kernel is not stable why should it be called stable? |
| 00:46.11 | Azar | raf256: you might want to read what is going on with linux kernel teams, read the discussions between Adrian Bunk and Linus... is about "quality" vs "speed" there as well |
| 00:46.15 | Vasistha | raf256: it's easy to say that, but it's a whole lot of work. And I'm happy to use an old kernel, myself. I like stable because it *doesn't* change. I don't have to constantly be maintaining my system. It just runs, every once in a while there's a security update that's never a problem. |
| 00:46.21 | linux2 | Vasistha: i think i got it. thanks anyways |
| 00:46.28 | Vasistha | linux2: good |
| 00:46.46 | Peacimowen | I seem to be having trouble with having any windows open in X. My existing window seem to be fine, but I can't open new ones. It seems to be complaing about my DISPLAY setting and being unable to connect to ":0.0"... Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 00:46.54 | simmerz | I am using uml guest systems and I've got problems with machines complaining that "Too many files open in system". however, upping /proc/sys/fs/file-max doesn't have any effect. could it be a problem with the host? |
| 00:46.59 | Azar | raf256: with Etch we will have as newer kernels as their quality improve upgraded. but in a moderate fashion |
| 00:47.09 | mystic_source | i have here one litle problem try to install the direct rendering someone can help? :X |
| 00:47.13 | rares000 | why don't they upgrade so I can upgrade by not upgrading |
| 00:47.21 | rares000 | ridiculous |
| 00:47.25 | raf256 | Azar: but missing new _driver_ == horrible quality |
| 00:47.43 | rares000 | so use the testing branch driver |
| 00:47.47 | raf256 | Azar: for my laptop any kernel below 2.6.19 is totally broken (no sound) |
| 00:47.58 | Guerin | raf256: so fucking use testing |
| 00:47.59 | Guerin | jesus |
| 00:48.04 | Azar | raf256: see again that where ubuntu comes in the game again... |
| 00:48.06 | pietro_rc | switch to testing, or unstable |
| 00:48.11 | Guerin | and `no sound' does not count as `totally broken' |
| 00:48.14 | Kevin` | or just use a new kernel and etch |
| 00:48.22 | raf256 | Guerin, pietro_rc: I already builded kernel by hand |
| 00:48.23 | Guerin | i *never* use sound on my laptop. |
| 00:48.23 | Azar | or yes, use TESTING or backported packages |
| 00:48.33 | pietro_rc | So what's the big deal? |
| 00:48.34 | Guerin | raf256: so whyt are you whining? |
| 00:48.40 | Guerin | feckin' eejit |
| 00:48.42 | Vasistha | Peacimowen: your existing window is an xterm, I'm guessing? And, how are you trying to open new windows? And, what DE are you using? |
| 00:48.43 | raf256 | Guerin: Im not whining, jesus |
| 00:48.48 | rares000 | which would you rather do raf, run slow or crash fast? |
| 00:48.50 | Azar | Guerin: he is not whining, just asking questions.. |
| 00:49.03 | raf256 | Guerin: Im writting that I agree with new debian leader point of view about ubuntu beeing more user friendly |
| 00:49.13 | raf256 | in such terms |
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| 00:49.26 | Azar | Guerin: I guess it is ok to give the curious some polite explanations |
| 00:49.33 | raf256 | wireless working out of the box is another example... yes Debian CAN do it... but it doesnt (oob) |
| 00:49.55 | pietro_rc | many wireless drivers aren't free. |
| 00:49.57 | Azar | raf256: as long as your comments don't become touchy to some, is ok to ask |
| 00:49.58 | raf256 | rares000: give user a choice. |
| 00:50.10 | pietro_rc | A lot of them wouldn't pass the debian guidelines I guess :p |
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| 00:50.18 | Vasistha | raf256: if this stuff is so important to you, why don't you just use ubuntu? It sounds like you don't really understand *why* this stuff is the way it is in debian |
| 00:50.29 | Peacimowen | Vasistha: DE? anyway, yes, it's an xterm. (although irssi is screen'ed and I can attach outside X if necessary) and opening new windows, either choosing menu items (like xterm, which worked to open this thing earlier) or opening things from other xterms I had opened earlier |
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| 00:50.50 | raf256 | Vasistha: I dont use ubuntu because I fix it by hand in debian; Although some users find it hard, are there dommed to have to use ubuntu? |
| 00:50.51 | Azar | Vasistha: people read controversial "interviews" and "comments" online ... they are curious |
| 00:50.52 | Vasistha | Peacimowen: DE = desktop environment: gnome, kde, fluxbox, ??? |
| 00:50.58 | Peacimowen | Vasistha: oh, iceWM |
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| 00:51.09 | Guerin | Azar: raf256 isn't curious, he already knows the answers to his questions. |
| 00:51.13 | mystic_source | brown was good and luckey winds but the persons need to use it but i like netinstall :x |
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| 00:51.20 | Guerin | raf256: yes. |
| 00:51.30 | mystic_source | anyone here that understand about direct rendering? |
| 00:51.31 | mystic_source | :X |
| 00:51.33 | Azar | Guerin: I guess Sam made some curious statements on his interviews |
| 00:51.41 | Guerin | raf256: that's the whole *point* of ubuntu - people thought debian was too hard, so they made something easier. |
| 00:51.49 | fdisix | raf256, yes, they are doomed, until you get that distro of yours roaring! |
| 00:51.51 | pietro_rc | raf256: they are not doomed to use ubuntu. It's about choice, not doom :p |
| 00:51.54 | Azar | yea like Guerin said! |
| 00:52.00 | Victor``` | no... |
| 00:52.02 | raf256 | Guerin: why not made debian less "hard" while still not making it "lame" |
| 00:52.21 | raf256 | or give wider choice at installation to use more geeky or more noob default config options |
| 00:52.22 | Azar | raf256: because we don't want to have a windows-like distro? |
| 00:52.25 | Vasistha | raf256: part of the reason is that we're devoted to the DFSG |
| 00:52.26 | Guerin | raf256: you tell me. I don't find it hard. If you do, make it easier. |
| 00:52.26 | Victor``` | ubuntu is there to try and promote open-source software |
| 00:52.27 | fdisix | raf256, Guerin, well, it's not just about ease-of-use; people who want more up-to-date stuff use Ubuntu too |
| 00:52.51 | fdisix | I use Ubuntu on my desktops. |
| 00:52.52 | raf256 | Guerin: give me 25 devels and I shure will do make it easier (or wait ~25 years) |
| 00:53.03 | Azar | raf256: Debian is about educating users, mostly new users, not about being an easy appliance for consumers |
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| 00:53.18 | fnf | Hi. I'm having a problem with dpkg-buildpackage about make error. But the package compiled fine with make, it only complained (about an 'undefined reference') if I use dpkg-buildpackage. Is there anyone familiar with this ? |
| 00:53.19 | raf256 | Azar: perhaps debian might use a linux-tutorial? |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | Azar: no. Debian is about being a comprehensive free OS. Anything else is secondary. |
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| 00:53.36 | kairu0 | i found that after the first day of setting everything up in etch, it was much more usable (and stable) than edgy |
| 00:53.38 | Victor``` | it's like freebsd |
| 00:53.39 | fdisix | raf256, is your definition of "lame" "has a reputation for easy" or "is popular"? If not, what makes Ubuntu lame? |
| 00:53.41 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 00:53.41 | dpkg | advocacy troll is, like, a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 00:53.50 | raf256 | Azar: interactive tool (appl), very user friendly, about solving common problems and auto detecting possible errors... is there any such project yet |
| 00:53.51 | Azar | raf256: there are lots of howtos around, raf256 the only issue people tend to avoid reading and learning |
| 00:53.58 | Victor``` | you install it and go whichever direction you want |
| 00:54.09 | Guerin | raf256: this debate has been going on since day 1. It's fucking boring, and offtopic. Go and whine elsewhere. |
| 00:54.09 | raf256 | Azar: lets glue them togeather, add some AI and nice UI on top |
| 00:54.14 | Victor``` | you can install a server system, a desktop system, a workstation, all from the same disc. |
| 00:54.21 | Victor``` | rather than having a bunch of "editions" |
| 00:54.31 | raf256 | anyone else thinks Im whining not discussing? |
| 00:54.38 | Guerin | Victor```: or no disk at all. Yes. |
| 00:54.51 | pietro_rc | You're kinda repeating yourself there. |
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| 00:54.52 | kairu0 | Victor```, but i paid $399 for my Debian Ultimate edition!?! |
| 00:54.54 | Guerin | raf256: it doesn't matter. It's offtopic. |
| 00:55.03 | Azar | raf256: I moved from windows to Debian directly 3 years ago: my goal : total change, learning something new and better than a point/click. And Debian was the best school I ever had |
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| 00:55.16 | Victor``` | lol i use debian home basic :( gaud im a nub |
| 00:55.25 | Wyzard | Victor```: Did you just say that Ubuntu has no separate CDs for desktop and server? |
| 00:55.36 | kairu0 | Victor```, you're missing out on the Debian Ultimate-only repos then! |
| 00:55.45 | Victor``` | Wyzard: no, I said Debian has no separate distribution sets. |
| 00:55.51 | fdisix | Azar, raf256, I did the same. |
| 00:55.59 | Wyzard | ok, it looked like you were referring to Ubuntu |
| 00:56.10 | Azar | raf256: not to add that the Debian experience helped me to become more efficient, and successful at my work |
| 00:56.23 | Victor``` | well, technically, you could use the same disc to install an ubuntu server machine or ubuntu desktop |
| 00:56.25 | kairu0 | Azar, what kind of work are you in? |
| 00:56.30 | Victor``` | but i'm not going into detail on that. |
| 00:56.38 | Azar | kairu0: accounting |
| 00:56.54 | Vasistha | Azar: heh, I have a friend who used to reinstall windows every 3 months because of corruption |
| 00:57.06 | kairu0 | Azar, which apps do you use for your work in debian? |
| 00:57.38 | Azar | kairu0: for now, Open Office's calc but looking to find and test other as well |
| 00:57.48 | kairu0 | Vasistha, i used to reinstall ubuntu after every new release because the upgrades broke everything if that counts :P |
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| 00:58.11 | Victor``` | I use FreeBSD - I get my work done, that's all I need to say. |
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| 00:58.20 | Victor``` | but of course, ports... |
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| 00:58.36 | pietro_rc | I'm kinda system-agnostic over here. |
| 00:58.44 | spacefrog | how do i change permissions on a directory and its subdirectories recursively? |
| 00:58.48 | Azar | kairu0: when I ment change for the better, I ment I could see challenges on my line of work from different angles and created ways to solve them better and faster, while my colleagues are still stucked on the old ways of solving problems |
| 00:58.54 | pietro_rc | Four computers, each one a different OS :p |
| 00:58.56 | fdisix | spacefrog, chmod -R |
| 00:59.03 | Victor``` | pietro_rc: same here |
| 00:59.06 | Vasistha | kairu0: that's once every 6 months, I guess ... but a little less painful perhaps, because ubuntu at least treats /home in an appropriate manner, as opposed to windows, which scatters your files frickin' everywhere so they're near-impossible to back up or migrate |
| 00:59.09 | pietro_rc | Debian, OpenBSD, FreeBSD and a Fedora box. |
| 00:59.23 | Victor``` | Debian, FreeBSD, Windows, and Solaris |
| 00:59.52 | kairu0 | Azar, gotcha. put you in a different mindset then? |
| 01:00.04 | Victor``` | four totally different things. |
| 01:00.47 | fnf | Will anyone give me a hint on building a DEB with dpkg-buildpackage ?. |
| 01:00.47 | Azar | kairu0: yes, with Debian I learned reading, understanding and solving, it gave me a good brain fitness |
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| 01:00.47 | kairu0 | Vasistha, yeah thats a good point. the registry and the d&s\all users folder must have been the worst thing to happen for migration |
| 01:00.47 | Victor``` | protip: if you try solaris, remember that "killall" isn't what you think it is in that system. |
| 01:00.49 | Slyboots | Hi |
| 01:01.04 | fdisix | There's some ncurses interface that lets me add repos to aptitude. What is this? Because, I used it a long time ago but don't remember what it is. It's some program that'll let me choose an FTP mirror to add to sources.list so I don't have to type it in manually. |
| 01:01.24 | raf256 | when playing with other OSes in qemu, remember about the exploits O_o |
| 01:01.31 | Slyboots | I need some serious help, before I go crazy.. Got Debian installed on my laptop, but I cant find any way to disable the "Tap-pad" feature on the Synaptics touchpad (tapping the pad is read as a mouseclick)_ |
| 01:01.44 | Slyboots | And it keeps.. freaking.. going off every bloody few seconds, its driving me freaking crazy |
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| 01:01.47 | Victor``` | Slyboots: i think that's a hardware feature |
| 01:01.50 | karsten | fdisix: vim. |
| 01:01.55 | Slyboots | it can be disabled |
| 01:02.01 | Slyboots | MacOS could disable it :( |
| 01:02.04 | raf256 | althoug the bug reports are not clear... qemu explotis allow to gain privilages inside qemu, or to escape away out of qemu and run arbitrary code IN HOST? |
| 01:02.09 | Victor``` | on a MacBook? |
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| 01:02.15 | Slyboots | iBook |
| 01:02.17 | karsten | Slyboots: BIOS? |
| 01:02.17 | Vasistha | Slyboots: use ksynaptic or gsynaptic or something |
| 01:02.24 | Victor``` | that's because it's their hardware :) |
| 01:02.26 | Slyboots | karsten: no bios to speak of on a mac |
| 01:02.33 | karsten | Slyboots: Point. |
| 01:02.36 | Slyboots | gsynaptic? |
| 01:02.39 | Vasistha | Slyboots: that's all configurable in X .. you can do it via command-line with synclient |
| 01:02.39 | Slyboots | hmm.. |
| 01:03.19 | Slyboots | Ah yes, I've tried that program, I cant get it to work |
| 01:03.19 | Vasistha | Slyboots: it even has a feature to automatically turn the touchpad off while you are typing on the keyboard; and of course, you can disable tap-to-click if you like. |
| 01:03.24 | mystic_source | i have here one litle problem try to install the direct rendering someone can help? :X |
| 01:03.27 | freeza | i just bought a dell latitude laptop and have debian on it, compiz and gnome run smoother than windows vista ever can. Also have vmware server with windows xp for some apps i need for work and it runs very well |
| 01:03.34 | Slyboots | "Can not access shared memory, SHMConfig Disabled?" |
| 01:03.47 | raf256 | is it easy to setup diskless debian terminals? 4 terminals with debian and server with debian |
| 01:03.48 | Vasistha | Slyboots: ah, you need to enable SHMConfig in your xorg.conf |
| 01:03.51 | Slyboots | Checked the man-page, which todl me to add the the line to Xorg.conf |
| 01:03.56 | Slyboots | I've done that, it still wont work |
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| 01:04.11 | Slyboots | under the Input Device "Synaptic" |
| 01:04.23 | Slyboots | Option "SHMConfig" "On" |
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| 01:04.55 | Vasistha | Slyboots: did you restart X after doing that? |
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| 01:05.17 | Slyboots | Tried several times |
| 01:05.27 | Slyboots | keeps producing the same error message |
| 01:05.46 | Vasistha | Slyboots: there's a page on that driver, which has a troubleshooting page ... let me get the link |
| 01:05.46 | Slyboots | Running it as root does not help either |
| 01:06.19 | Vasistha | Slyboots: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#TroubleShoot |
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| 01:06.50 | fdisix | Can someone send me their sources.list file please? : ) |
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| 01:07.08 | Peacimowen | fdisix: Can't make your own? |
| 01:07.16 | Vasistha | fdisix: what do you want to see? probably better to pastebin your own and we'll tell you how to fix it |
| 01:07.18 | omri | I've read iptables-save and iptables-restore are embed in if-up\if-down scripts; how does it work? |
| 01:07.54 | omri | I mean, when does it saves & restores the rules? |
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| 01:08.04 | fdisix | Peacimowen, I can, but I don't remember all the addresses; I haven't had to set up a Debian install for quite a while. I just need the addresses of mirrors, since I guess I'll be typing htem in by hand. : ) |
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| 01:08.28 | Gorgapor | is there any way to have access to multiple keyboard layouts (U.S. / Dvorak in my case) from the gnome logon screen? |
| 01:08.38 | Vasistha | omri: probably on system startup/shutdown - when the ifup/ifdown scripts are run, via the /etc/rc*.d directories |
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| 01:09.19 | omri | mm... are there any special parameters that indicate that the rc script ran it? |
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| 01:09.23 | Vasistha | Gorgapor: I'm going to guess probably not (although I don't use gnome) You should probably ask #gnome and perhaps file a wish |
| 01:09.24 | kairu0 | Gorgapor, can it wait until after you've logged in? |
| 01:10.04 | raf256 | anyone here have a terminal+main server model of debian use in small working group? |
| 01:10.05 | bintut | anyone here built a custom kernel based on vanilla kernel 2.6.21.1 using make-kpkg tool to support lvm2 and initramfs? |
| 01:10.22 | Vasistha | !anyone use 2.6.21 |
| 01:10.22 | dpkg | No, no one uses 2.6.21, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:10.35 | Vasistha | !tell bintut -about ask |
| 01:10.37 | omri | heh? :) |
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| 01:10.53 | omri | !anyone use something-else |
| 01:10.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses something-else, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:10.58 | omri | oh :) |
| 01:11.10 | omri | dpkg: do you mind being abused? |
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| 01:11.20 | Vasistha | !tell omri -about msg the bot |
| 01:11.27 | Slyboots | Okay, something is realy wrong here.. |
| 01:11.30 | Gorgapor | thx all |
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| 01:11.38 | bintut | i did and got a .deb kernel package but when i boot from it, my systems freezes during boot when trying to detect the partitions |
| 01:11.39 | Vasistha | Slyboots: did you check out that troubleshooting page? |
| 01:12.06 | Slyboots | Yes, but when I checked my xorg log, its failing to load a Synaptics device |
| 01:12.10 | Vasistha | bintut: hum. You've got an initrd all set up properly, right? |
| 01:12.17 | Azar | raf256: you are trying to set up a Debian server? |
| 01:12.31 | bintut | i added the --initrd options but i'm thinking that the latest kernels uses initramfs |
| 01:12.51 | bintut | i checked the manpage for make-kpkg and it doesn't says about initramfs |
| 01:12.56 | Slyboots | @(EE) Synaptics Touchpad : No synaptics touchpad detected and no repeated device |
| 01:13.09 | Slyboots | (II) Unload module (Synaptics) |
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| 01:13.24 | raf256 | Azar: Im thinking how to design a working group: 4 people writting c++ code of gui application. I am thinking: 4 diskless stations ~1 ghz 256 ram + gigabyte ethernet + dualcore(?) server 1 gb, and all of that on debian... any thoughts for more experience? |
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| 01:13.34 | bintut | Vasistha: i think so.. the command that i used to build a custom kernel was "make-kpkg --initrd --revision=1 kernel_image" |
| 01:13.51 | Vasistha | Slyboots: damn. hum. Are you sure the touchpad is a synaptics device? cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 01:14.05 | bintut | Vasistha: and when i install it, i found an initrd image at /boot/ partition.. i'm using grub boot loader by the way |
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| 01:14.22 | Azar | raf256: personally I do not have experience with Debian server but plenty of guides, howto on Lxer and other sites.. http://lxer.com/module/newswire/viewby.php?filter=5 |
| 01:14.33 | raf256 | thanks |
| 01:14.50 | omri | heh that's cool |
| 01:14.56 | omri | /proc/bus/input/devices :) |
| 01:15.09 | omri | since when is the power button a keyboard key? ;) |
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| 01:15.25 | Slyboots | Vasistha: Cleary its not.. let me check.. |
| 01:15.26 | Vasistha | omri: mac's been doing that for many years |
| 01:15.42 | omri | Vasistha, I guess that's how the kernels handle it |
| 01:15.47 | Slyboots | "ADB Mouse" |
| 01:15.50 | bintut | anyone got a clue what seems to be the problem of building custom kernel based on the vanilla kernel 2.6.21.1? |
| 01:15.52 | omri | why reinventing the wheel |
| 01:15.57 | Slyboots | What the hell is taht |
| 01:16.10 | Vasistha | Slyboots: sounds like a mac interface, actually |
| 01:16.30 | omri | /etc/inittab? :) |
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| 01:16.46 | Azar | raf256: or better yet: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=9&storynum=10 |
| 01:17.03 | omri | debian-news.net? there's a website for debian news? :] |
| 01:17.04 | Slyboots | Everything is ADB something.. ADBKeyboard,Mouse.. so on |
| 01:17.17 | Azar | omri: yes, why not |
| 01:17.23 | omri | no reason :) |
| 01:17.30 | omri | it's just... weird |
| 01:17.33 | raf256 | Perhaps we should add link to paper like http://taviso.decsystem.org/virtsec.pdf to security adviser about qemu exploit? |
| 01:17.44 | croddy | bintut: initrd format problem, probably |
| 01:17.49 | omri | hmm... ubuntu news topics... |
| 01:17.56 | TummYacid | ok guys looks like raid is workingnow |
| 01:18.07 | omri | and then you're wondering why people think ubuntu = debian |
| 01:18.12 | TummYacid | thanks again for the help |
| 01:18.32 | Vasistha | Slyboots: yeah, I think ADB was Mac's old proprietary Bus for character devices (keyboard/mouse) ... I'm not sure if the X synaptics driver will work with that... hmmm. I'll look around google a bit |
| 01:18.49 | Azar | omri: you tried my link? |
| 01:18.54 | omri | nope, sec. |
| 01:19.24 | omri | man this page is loaded with google ads... |
| 01:19.59 | Slyboots | Vasistha: It seems it does not, since its just unloading the driver |
| 01:20.46 | Vasistha | Slyboots: hum, I've only just started reading, but this isn't looking promising thus far: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0601.0/2484.html |
| 01:20.50 | deb1 | trying to figure out how to use 2; 9.1G; scsi Hard drives any suggestions |
| 01:20.58 | raf256 | I did aptitude source foo; how to install it now on my computer? |
| 01:21.06 | raf256 | I did aptitude source foo; and changed the source a bit. how to install it now on my computer? |
| 01:21.21 | Azar | raf256: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=qemu;dist=unstable |
| 01:21.31 | karsten | raf256: Recompile, rebuild, install deb w/ dpkg. |
| 01:21.41 | Azar | raf256: to install a package: aptitude install foo |
| 01:22.14 | Azar | raf256: before trying to install see if the package is available for your debian version: apt-cache search foo |
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| 01:22.46 | Vasistha | Slyboots: that's way back in 2.6.15, though ... hopefully it would have been resolved in the last year since then |
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| 01:22.54 | Azar | omri: google ads when you run your browser with javascript enabled :) |
| 01:23.06 | omri | Azar, when you don't have adblock |
| 01:23.20 | Azar | omri: I don't have an adblock, just not use javascripts |
| 01:23.38 | omri | all this WEB2.0 hype, you won't be able to surf gpl.txt in a few years |
| 01:24.02 | Azar | omri: new craps |
| 01:24.15 | omri | well... AJAX is pretty cool |
| 01:24.20 | omri | saves BW :] |
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| 01:24.34 | omri | and wastes it on periodical updates |
| 01:24.43 | Slyboots | Im trying a program called pdbuttons |
| 01:24.49 | raf256 | Azar: I ment: I want to customize an application (change it source) then compile and install it the debian way (perhaps making a .deb out of it in between) |
| 01:24.56 | Slyboots | Which seems to be designed espicaly for macs running debian |
| 01:25.13 | omri | he's asking how to use a deb-src package |
| 01:26.06 | Azar | raf256: oh I see.. that sounds really cool |
| 01:26.30 | omri | raf256, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 01:27.03 | Vasistha | Slyboots: yeah ... sounds like you're on the right track. adb's weird :P |
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| 01:28.10 | Slyboots | Okay, Going to try this, brb :) |
| 01:28.24 | Vasistha | wow!! 4 days under a bandage, and my broken blister totally healed up! :D |
| 01:28.40 | omri | Mazal Tov |
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| 01:30.01 | omri | god, I've been looking for a serial cable for a few months now, can't find any in the stores |
| 01:30.10 | Vasistha | ebay? |
| 01:30.34 | omri | hmm... I guess mailing it would be expensive |
| 01:31.00 | Vasistha | a few bucks, maybe ... how big a cable are we talking about here?? |
| 01:31.09 | omri | My gf's dad got me a USB->COM cables |
| 01:31.23 | maddash_ | haha "gf's dad" |
| 01:31.24 | omri | mmm, I dono, a 150grams maybe? |
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| 01:31.47 | Vasistha | that reminds me of that bash.org quote ... with Jesse, et al. ... heh |
| 01:31.50 | omri | sudo_maddash, hilarious |
| 01:32.02 | omri | mmm, what did I miss? :) |
| 01:32.05 | raf256 | omri: thanks; I wondr do they handle topic: how to sign own deb |
| 01:32.06 | omri | show me that bash quote! |
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| 01:32.31 | Vasistha | omri: it's in the top 200 |
| 01:32.38 | omri | raf256, was that sarcasm? :] |
| 01:32.44 | sudo_maddash | ugh, 2.6.20's ACPI went down the drain |
| 01:32.52 | omri | Vasistha, that means I have to read about 100 quotes to get to it :P |
| 01:33.19 | Vasistha | omri: hehe, time well spent? I'll see if I can find it |
| 01:33.21 | omri | oh, the one that he told her dad that he wants to **** her? :] |
| 01:33.32 | omri | "her dad" :] |
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| 01:34.09 | omri | Vasistha, did you know LiNuX is case sensitive? :] |
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| 01:34.28 | Vasistha | omri: http://bash.org/?191063 ... and here's another, for fun: http://bash.org/?602698 |
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| 01:34.29 | Azar | raf256: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
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| 01:34.39 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: how so? |
| 01:35.01 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: I've been using 2.6.20 on my laptop and ACPI seems fine to me |
| 01:35.28 | omri | heh |
| 01:35.35 | omri | great quotes |
| 01:35.38 | omri | sec, I've got one too |
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| 01:35.50 | InNeedofAssistan | I got kicked |
| 01:35.52 | InNeedofAssistan | Nice. |
| 01:35.56 | InNeedofAssistan | Everything starts with S |
| 01:36.10 | Vasistha | !tell InNeedofAssistan -about knoppix |
| 01:36.20 | Dewi | huh? |
| 01:36.56 | sudo_maddash | Wyzard: it works unpredictably for me. for example, the laptop switches to S3 after >~40 min. after this time, the laptop would not be able to wake up, and my only resort is to pull out the battery and restart. |
| 01:36.58 | omri | http://bash.org/?50891 |
| 01:37.00 | omri | that one is awesome |
| 01:37.07 | InNeedofAssistan | Vasistha, I know about Knoppix, thanks |
| 01:37.14 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: weird... I haven't seen anything like that |
| 01:37.36 | omri | http://bash.org/?352172 that one too, Vasistha |
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| 01:37.45 | omri | two of the greatest quotes ever :) |
| 01:37.54 | Vasistha | omri: there's a #debian qotd here somewhere that's pretty damn funny... |
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| 01:37.59 | Vasistha | !qotd0 |
| 01:37.59 | dpkg | somebody said qotd93 was <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 01:38.16 | Vasistha | whoa, that's sick. heh, let me see if I can find that one... |
| 01:38.24 | kairu0 | omri, you must be nhboy :D |
| 01:38.27 | omri | http://bash.org/?201579 that's my friends' quote |
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| 01:38.53 | omri | kairu0, huh? :] |
| 01:38.58 | raf256 | woah, cool quote... |
| 01:39.05 | raf256 | the graycat and oil one |
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| 01:39.27 | omri | Vasistha, man, you really should start forgetting those triggers :] |
| 01:39.33 | Vasistha | !qotd103 |
| 01:39.34 | dpkg | i heard qotd103 is <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 01:39.35 | sudo_maddash | Wyzard: you and probably 90% of other 2.6.20 laptop users. which lowers to nil the chances of this getting fixed. |
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| 01:39.40 | omri | make some room for other memories |
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| 01:39.43 | kairu0 | speaking of that , i haven't fingered a minor in ages .. |
| 01:40.01 | raf256 | omri: you actually know tha tguy there? |
| 01:40.05 | Azar | raf256: here is another one: http://intimate.handhelds.org/PackagingHowTo.html |
| 01:40.08 | raf256 | Mark Duval? |
| 01:40.13 | omri | raf256, Seven7 is my best friend :P |
| 01:40.19 | omri | not that other idiot :) |
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| 01:40.26 | Azar | haha |
| 01:40.31 | raf256 | heh |
| 01:40.38 | wols_ | sudo_maddash: fucked up acpi tables as usual? |
| 01:40.45 | omri | any1 knows Mark Duval of Belgium? :P |
| 01:41.23 | sudo_maddash | wols_: acpi tables are used for scaling. my problem has to do with S3. |
| 01:41.40 | raf256 | I follow http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html (omri?) and |
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| 01:41.53 | raf256 | apt-get build-dep gmc -> E: Unable to find a source package for gmc |
| 01:41.56 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: Is there a BTS for the kernel, btw? |
| 01:42.06 | raf256 | s/gmc/qemu then |
| 01:42.18 | raf256 | sorry, that was silly, never mind |
| 01:42.32 | omri | http://bash.org/?9501 |
| 01:42.33 | omri | haha :) |
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| 01:42.55 | squisher | Sigh, sometimes when I use vi in gnome-terminal the terminal just "hangs" for a couple of seconds, then resumes working (buffering all keystrokes in the meantime). Does anyone else have that problem? |
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| 01:43.20 | squisher | It is a really annoying problem, but I can't seem to reproduce it... :-( |
| 01:43.34 | Azar | raf256: maybe the repository your debian is pointing at does not have that source.... try using backports? |
| 01:43.53 | omri | god, I'm so tired, if I'd look in the mirror I'd laugh :) |
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| 01:44.14 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:44.19 | Azar | net craze eh.. |
| 01:44.20 | omri | we call it Kapit mode in Israel :] |
| 01:44.45 | Vasistha | omri: you're in Israel? Yeah, it would be pretty late there! |
| 01:44.46 | omri | when you're drunk of tieredness |
| 01:44.57 | omri | 4:43 am to be exact :P |
| 01:45.01 | sudo_maddash | Wyzard: no clue. |
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| 01:45.25 | Azar | aacs are f**ed up |
| 01:45.36 | omri | man, some Vodka and some friends and you won't believe the dBs of laughs :] |
| 01:46.06 | r00tintheb0x | I got my 21' monitor back!!! |
| 01:46.07 | r00tintheb0x | YAY! |
| 01:46.12 | sudo_maddash | Wyzard: actually, would you happen to know which file is responsible for the *automatic* s3 sleep? |
| 01:46.17 | raf256 | omri: Istreal? wow :/ |
| 01:46.26 | omri | Israel, not Istreal :P |
| 01:46.31 | omri | where are you guys from? |
| 01:46.32 | r00tintheb0x | Sony CPD-520GS |
| 01:46.33 | r00tintheb0x | =) |
| 01:46.40 | Vasistha | Los Angeles |
| 01:46.41 | sudo_maddash | Wyzard: btw, http://bugme.osdl.org/ |
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| 01:46.52 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: I haven't heard of any automatic S3 sleep performed by ACPI itself... maybe acpid is doing it? |
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| 01:47.09 | Azar | squisher: tried to use vi on a Fn key terminal? might work better and faster.. |
| 01:47.11 | omri | Vasistha, you smoke hookas there? |
| 01:47.17 | sudo_maddash | omri: LOL |
| 01:47.18 | omri | nargilla |
| 01:47.33 | omri | sudo_maddash, you sick :] |
| 01:47.42 | Vasistha | omri: I personally don't smoke anything. Some people smoke hookas in Los Angeles, sure. These awful cafes have popped up |
| 01:47.52 | omri | heh |
| 01:48.00 | omri | why awful? I'm trying to get one opened in my city :P |
| 01:48.01 | raf256 | after dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b how to sign resukting .gpg with my private key 0xABCD1234 |
| 01:48.14 | Wyzard | sudo_maddash: thanks |
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| 01:48.24 | squisher | Azar: what do you mean by "Fn key terminal"? |
| 01:48.30 | Vasistha | omri: I tend not to like smoke? That's all. |
| 01:48.31 | raf256 | heh I read hookers |
| 01:48.42 | omri | ah.. how old are you? |
| 01:48.49 | Vasistha | 28 |
| 01:49.05 | omri | never smoked anything in your whole life? not even a cig? |
| 01:49.34 | Azar | squisher: you can switch temporarily to a full screen term by using a Fn key ( I guess F2 through F5 ) Alt-F2 or Ctrl-Alt-F2 |
| 01:49.37 | squisher | Azar: Oh you mean the text mode terminals? |
| 01:49.42 | Azar | squisher: yes |
| 01:49.44 | raf256 | omri: (since we are ot apparently) isnt it true that in some coutries from that region people go to jail for crazy things like smoking/driking/hookers? |
| 01:49.54 | omri | raf256, http://daf.eduprojects.net/daf18/media/Elinor18/Koluszki/nargila.gif |
| 01:49.58 | squisher | Azar: then I can't use my dual monitor setup... |
| 01:50.04 | Azar | squisher: better work environment on vi |
| 01:50.13 | omri | heh, nobody said anything about hookers :P |
| 01:50.16 | lhadji | omri, nothing like a nargila |
| 01:50.16 | Azar | squisher: I ment no gnome slowdown.. |
| 01:50.28 | omri | lhadji, :} |
| 01:50.32 | omri | my kind of man :P |
| 01:50.36 | omri | nargilla + vodka :) |
| 01:50.40 | lhadji | i had apple flavoured tobacco the other day |
| 01:50.43 | lhadji | very nice |
| 01:50.50 | omri | lhadji, I'm lighting one now :P |
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| 01:51.17 | squisher | Azar: it's not really an option, because I edit a lot of latex, and it doesn't switch from X to console fast enough to do previews... But thanks for the tip. |
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| 01:52.37 | omri | lhadji, you Muslim? |
| 01:53.15 | Vasistha | omri: I've smoked lots of marijuana, a little bit of tobacco, but nothing at all for many years now. |
| 01:53.27 | kairu0 | Vasistha, thats what they all say :D |
| 01:53.28 | omri | I never touched drugs |
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| 01:53.46 | omri | well, maybe I will some day :P |
| 01:53.48 | omri | I'm only 19 |
| 01:53.56 | kairu0 | omri, once you turn 18, right? hehe |
| 01:54.10 | squisher | omri: alcohol is a drug, so is tobacco |
| 01:54.10 | omri | kairu0, been there, didn't do that :P |
| 01:54.20 | omri | squisher, not by definition |
| 01:54.29 | squisher | omri: Ha, by what definition? |
| 01:54.41 | omri | well, people's definition :) |
| 01:54.53 | jmd | When I get ' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.' messages, isn't there a way to use merge(1) to fix it? |
| 01:55.09 | squisher | omri: Then I urge you to change that definition :-) Marijuana is by no means as dangerous as either alcohol or tobacco |
| 01:55.22 | omri | well, still... |
| 01:55.34 | omri | just like pork is not kosher |
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| 01:55.56 | litage | the package stunnel is stunnel v3 and replaces stunnel4. however, the package stunnel4 is stunnel v4, and in the package description, says "Stunnel 4.x is more actively maintained upstream". why would v3 replace v4 if (a) v4 is newer, and (b) v4 is more actively maintained? |
| 01:56.00 | squisher | omri: no really. What happens if you dont' stop drinking? Your liver fails and you die. What happens if you don't stop smoking? You fall asleep. |
| 01:56.05 | omri | not that I give a ****, but I've been raised that way and been taught not to eat that |
| 01:56.30 | omri | squisher, everything you do in your life has some danger |
| 01:56.38 | omri | if you don't want to take risks, die :) |
| 01:56.41 | Vasistha | omri: did you know that one drop of nicotine is a lethal dose? And we all know that excessive drinking can kill a person within hours. otoh, there is no known lethal dose of thc. Noone has ever died from it. |
| 01:56.44 | omri | you chose the risks you take |
| 01:56.49 | omri | I chose not to smoke pot |
| 01:57.13 | raf256 | omri: so in general in your coutry smoking/drugs are legal but alcohol isnt? heh :) |
| 01:57.13 | omri | well, THC messes up with your memory |
| 01:57.20 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: what's up stoner ;-) |
| 01:57.22 | squisher | omri: sure, I'm not arguing against that, all I'm saying is that there is no reason to put marijuana on a different level than alcohol or tobacco |
| 01:57.23 | Ronin | squisher: lol boy is that wrong marijuna is just as bad as any other drug |
| 01:57.26 | raf256 | stoned: hi |
| 01:57.27 | Azar | Vasistha: some months ago was on the news on TV a girl died from drinking too much water at a radio contest. Water is lethal too |
| 01:57.29 | Ronin | including the pint im having right now |
| 01:57.36 | omri | no, tabaco is legal, drugs aren't |
| 01:57.50 | squisher | omri: excessive drinking messes with your memory too |
| 01:58.02 | omri | by drags I mean marijuhana, hashish, xtc, lsd, etc |
| 01:58.03 | Vasistha | omri: the salient point here is that tobacco is a drug of sorts ;) |
| 01:58.04 | Azar | stoned :) |
| 01:58.12 | squisher | Ronin: well, sure, all I'm arguing is that it's not worse than alcohol etc. |
| 01:58.14 | Ronin | omri: legal doesnt mean safe or good for you |
| 01:58.21 | omri | of course it doesn't |
| 01:58.26 | Vasistha | Azar: I think something like 1 gallon of water in less than half an hour can kill you |
| 01:58.31 | omri | like downloading MP3s on kazaa ;) |
| 01:58.37 | Vasistha | Azar: maybe it's 15 minutes |
| 01:58.43 | wols | Ronin: wrong |
| 01:58.48 | Azar | Vasistha: yes that why been 10 years I quit drinking water at all :) |
| 01:58.49 | asg | Ronin: don't suggest that |
| 01:58.50 | amphi | Vasistha: dihydrogen monoxide, eewww |
| 01:58.57 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 01:58.57 | dpkg | somebody said bongswat was "Hit the bong, man!" |
| 01:59.08 | wols | marijuana is the pretty much least harmful drug (and no, I never have and never will use it) |
| 01:59.10 | Ronin | wols: so taking about drugs, beer, is on topic? heh sweet :) im finally on topic |
| 01:59.29 | omri | well, that's what we call "easy drugs" |
| 01:59.39 | omri | maybe easy isn't the correct word to translate our expression to |
| 01:59.39 | shogunx | wols then there is a part of your brain you will never use. |
| 01:59.44 | omri | "light" fits better |
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| 01:59.46 | Azar | Ronin: in fact I thought you joined in to bring the topic back :) |
| 01:59.55 | Ronin | shogunx: heh interesting logic |
| 02:00.01 | omri | Azar, ronin is a satlan? :] |
| 02:00.02 | wols | shogunx: I have kidney failure. on healthy people it doesn#t matter. On me it does |
| 02:00.02 | mfrisc1 | I have smoked with 70 year old bio-chemistry teachers! |
| 02:00.13 | Vasistha | omri: afaik we don't actually have such a direct term for it, unfortunately. We usually say "not hardcore" |
| 02:00.18 | wols | shogunx: I rather survive than have my full brain used, |
| 02:00.21 | Azar | omri: we have to remember sometimes that we are in #debian for a reason |
| 02:00.21 | omri | heh, yes |
| 02:00.30 | omri | yes, to be a linux freaks :P |
| 02:00.33 | Ronin | wols: or part of the brain deadened i find to be precise |
| 02:00.39 | shogunx | wols well, there is that. |
| 02:00.46 | omri | my memory is screwed up already |
| 02:00.54 | omri | I'm not gonna smoke THC to make it even worse |
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| 02:01.01 | Ronin | omri: wait till you getolder, it only gets "better" |
| 02:01.08 | omri | heh |
| 02:01.10 | omri | can't wait ;) |
| 02:01.17 | wols | shogunx: well I would survive I guess. can't kill oneself with it, but the stress on my system is not worth the effect it gives |
| 02:01.20 | omri | I hate my memory. it sucks. |
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| 02:02.05 | omri | anyways, any1 here smokes nargila once in a while? |
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| 02:02.16 | xuser | me |
| 02:02.40 | mfrisc1 | omri: how much there? |
| 02:02.45 | Vasistha | omri: I should hasten to say that I'm not necessarily advocating smoking thc -- my main point here is to assert that it's less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol, and that people's prejudices are pretty silly. |
| 02:02.46 | omri | over here, 25 grams of tabbaco costs 1USD |
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| 02:03.06 | omri | Vasistha, I see, you're afraid FBI is around ;) |
| 02:03.06 | xuser | I like the strawberry tabbaco |
| 02:03.07 | shogunx | Ronin i'm talking about the effect hallucinogens, shamanistic experiences like sleep deprivation, and psychotropics have on the brain. when under such influence, certain neurotransmitter and receptors shut down, and others turn on. |
| 02:03.11 | mfrisc1 | I buy 6.5 ounces for $14+ |
| 02:03.16 | omri | xuser, yuck :\ we hate it here :O |
| 02:03.16 | Vasistha | omri: ? no, not really. |
| 02:03.21 | omri | over here apples rule |
| 02:03.30 | Ronin | shogunx: so your not using it but abusing it then |
| 02:03.32 | xuser | apple is nice too. |
| 02:03.34 | Stevie-O | apples are good |
| 02:03.40 | Stevie-O | esp granny smith |
| 02:03.46 | omri | wait a sec, I forgot the word for the one I like most |
| 02:03.46 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: I will remember that if you come to ohio ;-) |
| 02:03.59 | Stevie-O | what's a gpg keyserver? |
| 02:04.04 | shogunx | Ronin no. |
| 02:04.05 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: ...that I'm not really afraid of the fbi, or...? |
| 02:04.12 | omri | oh, cherry flavour is my favorite |
| 02:04.25 | Vasistha | omri: hum, wikipedia can't find nargila. what is that? |
| 02:04.33 | omri | hookah |
| 02:04.38 | omri | http://daf.eduprojects.net/daf18/media/Elinor18/Koluszki/nargila.gif |
| 02:04.39 | wols | shogunx: a server that stores gpg public keys |
| 02:04.43 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: that you don't want thc smokes uhm they got those right? |
| 02:04.45 | omri | Vasistha, http://daf.eduprojects.net/daf18/media/Elinor18/Koluszki/nargila.gif |
| 02:04.45 | Ronin | shogunx: sure you are, sleep deprevation isnt good, hallucinating etc, i love how we all justify the things we're hooked onthat are bad for us |
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| 02:04.55 | wols | erm Stevie-O |
| 02:05.06 | shogunx | Ronin the point is that the ones that turn on normally would not, except under such circumstances. |
| 02:05.10 | Stevie-O | Can someone supply me with the address of a gpg keyserver? |
| 02:05.22 | Ronin | Stevie-O: may i ask why? |
| 02:05.28 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: ah, indeed, I border on being an anti-smoking advocate |
| 02:05.33 | Stevie-O | Because the one I have as a reference is not working |
| 02:05.42 | mfrisc1 | Ronin: hallucinating on thc is a tease! |
| 02:05.45 | Ronin | Stevie-O: what error/message etc? |
| 02:05.50 | Stevie-O | "Connection refused" |
| 02:05.52 | wols | shogunx: use google. mit has one IIRC. gpg servers are also pgp servers btw |
| 02:06.05 | omri | Vasistha, saw the picture? |
| 02:06.18 | Stevie-O | aha |
| 02:06.19 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: well there is always brownies I guess ;-) |
| 02:06.21 | Vasistha | omri: is it synonymous with hooka? |
| 02:06.26 | Stevie-O | found one in dpkg after asking for 'keyserver' |
| 02:06.26 | omri | yes |
| 02:06.27 | shogunx | Ronin i did not suggest serial practice of these courses of action; far from it. I am simply saying that there is, in our physiology, a place evolved for these experiences. |
| 02:06.31 | omri | it's another name for hooka |
| 02:06.43 | wols | Stevie-O: that's the debian one. doubt it's public |
| 02:06.46 | omri | this is how we call it in the middle east |
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| 02:07.00 | shogunx | wols keyserver.mit.edu, iirc. why? |
| 02:07.09 | wols | shogunx: Stevie-O asked |
| 02:07.20 | shogunx | wols ahh. |
| 02:07.20 | xuser | omri: do you put mj in it? |
| 02:07.29 | omri | I personally don't |
| 02:07.32 | omri | but some people do |
| 02:07.34 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: well, I don't usually mind if other people smoke marijuana around me; tobacco I do mind, because it gets in your clothes and in your hair, it just smells awful. marijuana tends to dissipate pretty easily |
| 02:07.35 | wols | shogunx: and you talk too much so my nick complete gets confused :P |
| 02:07.44 | sudo_maddash | Stevie-O: pgp.mit.edu |
| 02:07.46 | shogunx | wols hehe |
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| 02:08.04 | Stevie-O | shogunx: wols can't type the 't' after the 'S' to complete me instead of you |
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| 02:08.16 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: well I am trying to quit (pathetically) smoking |
| 02:08.18 | omri | xuser, btw, it's illegal to smoke hookas in the israeli army |
| 02:08.27 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: quit which? |
| 02:08.42 | xuser | omri: you are israeli? |
| 02:08.46 | omri | yup |
| 02:08.53 | mfrisc1 | omri: I have heard mj is easily had there though |
| 02:09.00 | omri | sure |
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| 02:09.04 | xuser | I though argila was an arab only thing |
| 02:09.17 | Stevie-O | how do I set the default keyserver for gpg? |
| 02:09.23 | mfrisc1 | omri: even keif |
| 02:09.23 | omri | xuser, well, israel is in the middle east, if you like it or not, we're affected by arab customs |
| 02:09.32 | vnm | how do I add a login message with debian? |
| 02:09.33 | omri | mfrisc1, keif? |
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| 02:09.47 | mfrisc1 | vnm: /etc/issue |
| 02:10.01 | vnm | kthx |
| 02:10.05 | omri | hmmm |
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| 02:10.17 | omri | mfrisc1, woldn't it be better for him to edit /etc/motd ? |
| 02:10.20 | mfrisc1 | omri: Moroccan style hashish |
| 02:10.26 | omri | /etc/motd.tail even |
| 02:10.44 | omri | mfrisc1, probably, I just don't know the hebrew translation for it |
| 02:10.49 | mfrisc1 | omri: I meant issue! didn't read correctly |
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| 02:11.07 | omri | mfrisc1, wouldn't it be better to change the motd for login message? |
| 02:11.18 | omri | "better" |
| 02:11.34 | amphi | Stevie-O: put it in ~/.gnupg/options |
| 02:12.07 | hatter | the default for debian etch is to have ip_forward turned of isn't it ? |
| 02:12.13 | Azar | ouch! canonical started removing posts and blogs on the ubuntu community! oh my where is the commercial freedom? |
| 02:12.17 | omri | Vasistha, what are the Internet prices there? |
| 02:12.21 | wols | hatter: I don't think so |
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| 02:12.36 | wols | Azar: link? |
| 02:12.40 | mfrisc1 | omri: I don't use them motd issue I have ln -s to linuxlogo though that looks clean |
| 02:12.55 | Azar | wols: http://robitaille.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/going-from-c-to-c-the-fine-ubuntu-line-between-commercial-and-community/ |
| 02:12.57 | Vasistha | omri: we're paying $45/month for cable internet right now, 6 Mbit down, ~500 kbit up |
| 02:13.10 | omri | I hate async lines :\ |
| 02:13.12 | vnm | my friend is even asking me if it's possible to put a message before the SSH login....I doubt it, can someone confirm? |
| 02:13.12 | wols | thx |
| 02:13.21 | hatter | wols: 2 etch servers have just become ip_forward disabled, where they were previously enabled, I am using shorewall which default config is to use the os for enable or disable |
| 02:13.35 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: damn they just dropped our cable to 768kbps and I finally dropped them |
| 02:13.41 | omri | Vasistha, that's quite expensive in our terms of money |
| 02:13.47 | omri | what's the minimum salary there? |
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| 02:14.24 | omri | for a full time job, that is |
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| 02:15.01 | Vasistha | omri: I don't know, but "poverty level" is considered about $18,000/year ... to rent an average one-bedroom apartment in Los Angeles will cost about $1000/month ... bread is maybe $3/loaf... |
| 02:15.16 | intelikey | can someone sujest a course of action for this http://pastebin.ca/468389 ? |
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| 02:15.28 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: in LA! |
| 02:15.30 | Stevie-O | gujest? |
| 02:15.32 | Stevie-O | sujest? |
| 02:15.59 | Stevie-O | intelikey: I suspect that your .deb file may be corrupt |
| 02:16.05 | Stevie-O | intelikey: Where did you download it from? |
| 02:16.19 | intelikey | from apt-get install sed |
| 02:16.21 | Vasistha | intelikey: why are you trying to install that with dpkg? why not apt-get or aptitude? It won't download it again |
| 02:16.22 | intelikey | woody |
| 02:16.24 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: how much is regular gas? |
| 02:16.40 | amphi | tty24 eh? ;) |
| 02:16.44 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: it's around $3.35 for 87 octane right now |
| 02:16.47 | hatter | ip_forward is enabled in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
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| 02:17.14 | vnm | Vasistha: what part of LA r u from? I used to live in South Central LA |
| 02:17.20 | omri | vnm, AFAIK, there's a file under /etc that controls the pre login msg, I don't remember its name |
| 02:17.21 | mfrisc1 | Vasistha: man 38 cents more. |
| 02:17.23 | intelikey | so any clues ? |
| 02:17.24 | squisher | All these prices are so variable within the US though... I pay "only" $2.95 for gas, but $60 for 4Mbit internet... |
| 02:17.34 | Vasistha | mfrisc1: I've gotten it for as little as $3.29, and I've seen it for as much as maybe $3.60 ... vnm: I live on the westside |
| 02:17.40 | vnm | omri: kthx, I'm checking that |
| 02:17.44 | wols | hatter: from what I rememebr sarge wasn't ip_forward anebaled by default and neither is etch |
| 02:17.44 | hatter | vnm: /etc/motd ? |
| 02:17.54 | omri | mmm, we pay about 20$/m for 1.5Mbit download, 512Kbit upload |
| 02:18.03 | mfrisc1 | omri: vnm /etc/issue is "prelogin" |
| 02:18.06 | wols | hatter: some packages of course enable it, e.g. ipmasq which is of course reasonable |
| 02:18.10 | hatter | wols: i just know that yesterday this box was enabled and today it wasnt |
| 02:18.22 | omri | mfrisc1, for getty's, not ssh |
| 02:18.32 | wols | hatter: that begs the qestion: what did you do? |
| 02:18.33 | hatter | wols: without me changing anything |
| 02:18.40 | Stevie-O | intelikey: apt-get install doesn't leave a .deb file for you to install manually |
| 02:18.46 | hatter | wols: exactly, no change |
| 02:18.48 | wols | hatter: unless you are 0wned, this is demonstably false |
| 02:19.16 | intelikey | Stevie-O sure it does. unless you clear the cache |
| 02:19.19 | wols | Stevie-O: /var/cache/apt/archives/ so think again |
| 02:19.23 | hatter | the only difference is a reboot |
| 02:19.27 | Stevie-O | intelikey: Not in /root |
| 02:19.45 | intelikey | Stevie-O look again., |
| 02:19.51 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 02:19.52 | hatter | so maybe an apt-get update a week ago |
| 02:19.54 | Vasistha | intelikey: you say it happened from apt-get, yet your pastebin command showed you were doing dpkg -i. Which is it? |
| 02:19.55 | Stevie-O | hm then |
| 02:20.15 | Stevie-O | that still doesn't explain why you're trying to install with dpkg |
| 02:20.16 | wols | hatter: update won't change anything |
| 02:20.22 | wols | all it does is update package lists |
| 02:21.03 | omri | vnm, there it is |
| 02:21.10 | omri | put a Banner line in your sshd_config |
| 02:21.12 | wols | intelikey: two possibilities I see: either a lib is wrong for your system somehow or your hardware is bad |
| 02:21.16 | omri | Banner /etc/banner for example |
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| 02:21.28 | intelikey | guys look. pull it out. i did apt-get it failed i did dpkg -i to get the error message repeted so if you don't know what i might do to fix it stop asking loop-T-loop questions |
| 02:21.44 | Stevie-O | why woody? that's so... old |
| 02:21.47 | intelikey | wols k thanks. that makes sense. |
| 02:21.50 | hatter | wols: unless some default behaviour changed, perhaps shorewall.conf file changed its default behaviour. I will check this. |
| 02:22.19 | omri | vnm, works? |
| 02:22.30 | wols | hatter: nothing can change if you as you said didn't do anything.... |
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| 02:23.27 | hatter | wols: well, if an apt-get update happened a week ago but a conf file doesnt get re-read until a restart, like shorewall restarting perhaps |
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| 02:23.37 | intelikey | wols yeah you nailed it. libc6 version, thanks. |
| 02:23.49 | squisher | hatter: shorewall.conf defaults to not enabling ip-forwarding. |
| 02:24.03 | hatter | squisher: did it always ? |
| 02:24.25 | hatter | squisher: because the default shorewall.conf now for ip_forwarding is keep |
| 02:24.26 | squisher | hatter: pretty sure, yes |
| 02:24.35 | hatter | which says not to enable or disable |
| 02:24.47 | hatter | but to do as OS says i guess |
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| 02:24.57 | squisher | hatter: I think it has always been that way (at least as far as I can remember (: ) |
| 02:25.17 | hatter | squisher: ok, i will check |
| 02:25.18 | omri | ok, I'm off for some southpark episodes and sleep |
| 02:25.19 | omri | night night |
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| 02:26.10 | wols | hatter: how often do I have to repeat: apt-get update only changes package lists. nothing else. it is NOT the problem |
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| 02:26.42 | Sweetandy | !cms |
| 02:26.42 | dpkg | cms is probably Content Management System, or postnuke, phpnuke, slashcode, drupal, scoop, vi + cvs |
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| 02:27.05 | hatter | wols: i am speaking of ugrade |
| 02:27.07 | hatter | not update |
| 02:27.33 | hatter | i may have said update earlier. I am speaking of files changing. |
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| 02:27.51 | Sweetandy | Does anybody know the CMS for gnu.org? |
| 02:28.04 | en1gma | hey all i have some serious questions about debian...i have a bios-raid (some call it fake-raid)...reguardless that is what i got and that is what i use...ok now to the Q...the only distro that i have got to install to my 2nd (non-windows) partition so far is SUSE...and it does work..but come on...i want debian. can debian do this YET |
| 02:28.33 | hatter | en1gma: do what ? fakeraid is windows s/w raid |
| 02:28.37 | wrmachine | netinst doesn't auto-configure my nic and prompts me for a diskette with drivers... I haven't owned a 3.5 floppy in many years. what other options do i ahve, provided i can find a driver that might work? |
| 02:28.49 | hatter | en1gma: you can use linux s/w raid |
| 02:28.51 | hatter | mdadm |
| 02:28.56 | en1gma | hatter did you not read my sentance completely? SUSE does work |
| 02:29.03 | wols | wrmachine: ignore it now, fix after the install |
| 02:29.06 | en1gma | hatter are you talking md? |
| 02:29.09 | wols | wrmachine: what NIC is it? |
| 02:29.12 | hatter | md |
| 02:29.15 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: if SUSE works, then use the kernel that it uses, and install Debian. |
| 02:29.16 | hatter | linux s/w raid |
| 02:29.28 | en1gma | i think that only works if its brand new and there are no windows partitions already |
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| 02:29.49 | hatter | if you have fake raid, then you are using s/w raid. |
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| 02:30.01 | en1gma | this has a raid setup with 2 partitions (1st is windows ntfs) and the (2nd is anything i want it to be) ext2, ext3, swap what ever |
| 02:30.10 | hatter | so yes. debian can do it. |
| 02:30.17 | squisher | wrmachine: AFAIK it's easier to find an install CD with updated kernel that includes the right drivers, but I might be totally off here :-) |
| 02:30.20 | en1gma | last time i tried with debian it did not pick up the raid set |
| 02:30.31 | en1gma | is only seen the drives as individuals |
| 02:30.35 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: the installer will not, because it generally requires firmware |
| 02:30.43 | en1gma | suse does it |
| 02:30.47 | en1gma | can debian do this yet |
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| 02:31.01 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: because suse distributes non-free stuff in their distribution; we won't. |
| 02:31.03 | wols | en1gma: what RAID chip? |
| 02:31.17 | en1gma | nvraid on an nf4 motherboard |
| 02:31.27 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: if you can boot using the suse installer, then you can install Debian on the machine; you'll just have to use the suse kernel. |
| 02:31.31 | wols | ok, fakeraid it is |
| 02:31.35 | en1gma | dondelelcaro sounds like you know what your talking bout...is there anything i can do to make it work |
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| 02:32.13 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: ... I've just told you how to make it work |
| 02:32.27 | en1gma | dondelelcaro that is so wild i was in another channel asking them that (slackware) and they didnt have a clue what i was trying to say...i was saying install suse first then put slackware ontop of it but your idea is way better |
| 02:32.37 | en1gma | would i be able to change my kernel to a .deb later |
| 02:32.50 | wrmachine | wols: not sure what nic yet, I haven't pulled it out of the box |
| 02:33.00 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: possibly, but probably not; the fakeraid modules tend to be really fragile |
| 02:33.00 | wols | wrmachine: lspci -v |
| 02:33.05 | wrmachine | just got my screwdriver |
| 02:33.30 | dondelelcaro | (but it's not like the kernel really matters much) |
| 02:33.36 | wols | I wouldn't open the box to see the PCI hardware. This is not ISA anymore... |
| 02:33.48 | en1gma | dondelelcaro crap this could be a problem....cause i like to build stuff...would the kernel headers and compile tools all have to stay with the suse kernel too? |
| 02:33.55 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: no |
| 02:34.01 | en1gma | just the kernel only? |
| 02:34.02 | wols | en1gma: only headers |
| 02:34.05 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 02:34.14 | en1gma | well sounds like a plan :) thanks |
| 02:34.14 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: just the kernel; the only reason you'd even care about the kernel headers is to build kernel modules |
| 02:34.30 | en1gma | so i could still build nvidia binary drivers? |
| 02:34.31 | dondelelcaro | (the linux headers that matter for userland packages are entirely separate ) |
| 02:34.37 | wrmachine | wols: i'll have to check that later |
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| 02:35.20 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: yes, but you probably won't be able to use m-a unless you get a Debian kernel working with the software raid. [I'd check google to see if someone has done it for your specific chipset before getting too far along.] |
| 02:35.30 | hatter | i see pain later. i would use linux s/w raid. but do what you fancy of course. |
| 02:35.46 | wols | wrmachine: after installation, add the driver to /etc/modules, edit your /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces( and you're done |
| 02:35.55 | dondelelcaro | the only reason not to use linux sw raid is because you're dual booting; I'm assuming that's the case here |
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| 02:36.05 | en1gma | okie thanks...man i wish debian would make one acception and this time do what ever suse did to get it to recognise raid-bios |
| 02:36.14 | en1gma | yep thats correct |
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| 02:36.26 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: we don't, and won't ever make exceptions in cases like this |
| 02:36.50 | en1gma | isnt it really grub thats doing this cause md is free and that is whats making the raid be seen |
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| 02:37.02 | en1gma | the kernel is just put on hdd0,0 |
| 02:37.18 | en1gma | i think* |
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| 02:37.20 | squisher | en1gma: I wish the hw manufacturers would not require a firmware load, or make it available under acceptable licenses... then it'd be in Debian |
| 02:37.21 | dondelelcaro | en1gma: no, it's not; you're not using md (the kernel software raid), you're using a fakeraid driver. |
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| 02:37.40 | en1gma | yea them bastards do this all the time it reall pisses me off |
| 02:37.44 | NormanAthol | if i want to load a module on boot where is the file i edit to allow this |
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| 02:38.00 | dondelelcaro | NormanAthol: in general it should be done for you automatically, but /etc/modules if not |
| 02:38.03 | en1gma | dondelelcaro ok man sounds like you know what your talking bout |
| 02:38.12 | Azar | :) |
| 02:38.15 | en1gma | thanks for the info |
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| 02:38.30 | dondelelcaro | np; good lukc |
| 02:38.33 | en1gma | i can see this is going to be an all nighter :) |
| 02:38.50 | hatter | or an all weeker. |
| 02:39.04 | en1gma | yea that s more like it |
| 02:39.17 | en1gma | let me ask this |
| 02:39.35 | NormanAthol | dondelelcaro, yeah i know it useally does but this is a 2rd party module i have mopliled myself and i dont belive modprobe actually loads it apon reboot unless you type the command again |
| 02:39.40 | en1gma | say i did use the software driver for debian...can i make windows pick it up with a software driver too? |
| 02:40.00 | en1gma | like if i installed windows what would i need to tell it to add em all togather |
| 02:40.08 | dondelelcaro | NormanAthol: if it's in the appropriate directory and you've run depmod -a; it being in /etc/modules would be enough |
| 02:40.26 | dondelelcaro | NormanAthol: as far as loading things automatically, udev has to know about the device for that to happen. |
| 02:40.44 | en1gma | does the md driver also work with windows...i mean has anyone ported it so windows can use it to |
| 02:41.03 | dondelelcaro | it's unlikely, but I don't know for certain; check google? |
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| 02:41.11 | en1gma | ok checking now |
| 02:41.12 | en1gma | thanks |
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| 02:41.37 | NormanAthol | how do i check to make sure it is loaded on next reboot |
| 02:42.18 | Madd_Matt | NormanAthol, just add the name to /etc/modules |
| 02:42.30 | Madd_Matt | NormanAthol, its a newline seperated list of modules to load at boot |
| 02:42.44 | NormanAthol | yeah i have done that |
| 02:42.51 | Madd_Matt | So then you should be good |
| 02:43.03 | NormanAthol | got some other stuff todo before i can reboot thanks guys |
| 02:43.08 | iantlopp | trying to set up a broadcom wifi minipci card on my laptop in debian, and having no luck so far. |
| 02:43.51 | mfrisc1 | iantlopp: wan wifi? |
| 02:44.16 | iantlopp | yeah |
| 02:44.22 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 02:44.22 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 02:44.23 | iantlopp | err... umm... no lan wifi |
| 02:44.46 | iantlopp | and the drivers are installed, it just won't see my local AP, nor connect to it. |
| 02:44.49 | wols | you need the broadcom firmware however |
| 02:45.02 | wols | is the firmware installed? |
| 02:45.25 | Azar | dondelelcaro, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html << is now outdated, we got udev, xorg where can we find reference documentation about (if we haven't yet installed etch)? |
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| 02:45.55 | iantlopp | umm... haven't done anything, tbh... I just installed debian, and it said it recognized my card, but I haven't been able to get it to work... by all accounts, iwconfig seems to recognize it fine, just... doesn't want to find my SSID. |
| 02:46.20 | wols | until you get the firmwre in /lib/firmware it never will |
| 02:46.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: consider yourself volunteered to submit patches to that page |
| 02:46.37 | Azar | :) ah nice! |
| 02:46.38 | NormanAthol | is there a way i can tell what runlevel i am in after i have booted |
| 02:47.02 | Azar | wols: madwifi issue on iantlopp |
| 02:47.23 | iantlopp | and where do I find and then install said firmware? |
| 02:47.24 | dondelelcaro | NormanAthol: /sbin/runlevel |
| 02:48.16 | Azar | iantlopp: find similar issues on google with :"broadcom wifi minipci on Debian" |
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| 02:49.06 | cerridwen | iantlopp: apt-get install bcm-fwcutter |
| 02:50.02 | cerridwen | sorry bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 02:50.12 | iantlopp | heh... was just about to say |
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| 02:50.32 | iantlopp | err... still didn't find the package |
| 02:50.41 | Victor``` | fwcutter seldom works |
| 02:50.48 | cerridwen | it never worked with my bcm4318 :-) |
| 02:50.53 | Victor``` | i have that same one |
| 02:50.56 | Victor``` | use ndiswrapper |
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| 02:51.06 | iantlopp | I have a 4308 I believe |
| 02:51.15 | iantlopp | er... 4306 |
| 02:51.32 | wols | Azar: I vrey much doubt it. madwifi is only madwifi-source on debian. doubt that gets installed automatically on install |
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| 02:51.57 | wols | Azar: however, a bcm driver that needs firmware is in the kernel since .17 as the factoid says |
| 02:52.22 | Victor``` | wols: again, it seldom works |
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| 02:52.53 | Azar | wols: yes indeed it is not autoinstalled, I only mentioned that because several madwifi users encounter same problem ... |
| 02:52.59 | mystic_source | linux sucks lol sometimes when we try to configure or install something lol |
| 02:53.18 | mystic_source | one distr work another distro we need to do another stuff |
| 02:53.20 | mystic_source | lol |
| 02:53.35 | Azar | is the wifi craze, and I ain't jumping on using wifi yet... |
| 02:53.48 | iantlopp | how do you check the kernel version? |
| 02:54.00 | Stevie-O | uname -r |
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| 02:54.01 | mystic_source | im not imagine persons normal ... using this or have tiime to install software here sometimes lol |
| 02:54.05 | Stevie-O | for the whole deal, uname -a |
| 02:54.06 | mystic_source | pufffffffff |
| 02:54.20 | Stevie-O | normal people don't use Linux |
| 02:54.31 | Azar | mystic_source: is about personal education.. |
| 02:54.51 | mystic_source | Azar eh ai que o bill gates pah se intelegente :) |
| 02:54.57 | mystic_source | lol |
| 02:54.58 | wols | !es |
| 02:54.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:55.26 | Azar | mystic_source: we use debian linux because we chose so, what is your problem? |
| 02:55.27 | mystic_source | wols man i like use linux im just try to be real |
| 02:55.55 | mystic_source | do you think everyone work whith computers like us? lol |
| 02:56.06 | mystic_source | one doctorfor exemple thta have time to this? |
| 02:56.34 | mystic_source | basic stuff man good install bla bla good logo and ubuntu up |
| 02:56.35 | mystic_source | :) |
| 02:56.42 | Victor``` | ubuntu? |
| 02:56.55 | wols | Victor```: just ignore him. he's sleep deprived |
| 02:56.56 | iantlopp | is there some reason apt-get isn't finding bcm43xx-fwcutter? |
| 02:56.57 | Victor``` | this isn't an ubuntu support channel |
| 02:57.16 | wols | !tell Lamperi about bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 02:57.16 | mystic_source | Victor``` cames in one good time good winds |
| 02:58.02 | wols | Lamperi: cause it's not in debian |
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| 02:58.12 | wols | iantlopp: cause it's not in debian |
| 02:58.23 | Azar | wow nice, udev can be configured! |
| 02:58.29 | iantlopp | well crud... |
| 02:58.56 | Victor``` | i should go back to debian |
| 02:59.10 | wols | iantlopp: it is in unstable however |
| 02:59.21 | wols | contrib |
| 02:59.25 | Victor``` | FreeBSD is my first Unix-like OS |
| 02:59.26 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 02:59.35 | mystic_source | only tuturials that don`t work lol duno sometimes what the google is doing there lol |
| 02:59.40 | iantlopp | thanks |
| 02:59.41 | Victor``` | then I began to like Debian |
| 02:59.45 | Victor``` | switched to it |
| 02:59.53 | Victor``` | used it for a good while |
| 03:00.00 | Victor``` | the suddenly went back to BSD. |
| 03:00.14 | wols | !enter |
| 03:00.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
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| 03:00.55 | Victor``` | god, I need to get used to that |
| 03:01.15 | Azar | fun thing is, back in the first days when I decided to get out of windows for good, I first tried BSD (it never even installed). Debian kicked the ass |
| 03:01.18 | Victor``` | the habit stuck to me pretty long ago |
| 03:01.25 | mystic_source | wols on debian etch when was testing i was 3 days only try to install the sound ... do you imagine someone thta have work ... have time to spent here to install the sound? |
| 03:01.28 | Victor``` | Azar: which BSD? |
| 03:01.37 | Azar | Victor```: freeBSD |
| 03:01.49 | Victor``` | 3.x, 4.x? |
| 03:02.24 | Azar | 5.1 |
| 03:02.30 | Victor``` | :o |
| 03:02.34 | Stevie-O | gah |
| 03:02.45 | Stevie-O | I upgraded stuff and it replaced one of my config files |
| 03:02.49 | Victor``` | it didn't install? what went wrong with it? |
| 03:02.59 | mystic_source | well in ubuntu the sound works fine ... so what i will use? |
| 03:03.20 | Azar | Victor```: will never know, the CD I ordered never worked. The Debian 3.1 CD did |
| 03:03.31 | Victor``` | ah |
| 03:04.12 | wols | mystic_source: can you whine somewhere else please? |
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| 03:04.20 | Victor``` | heh, my first FreeBSD was 3.3 |
| 03:04.27 | mystic_source | wols no i use debian because i like netinstall |
| 03:04.31 | Azar | dunno about recent versions, but on my experience, Debian 3.1 installed on about ANY PC, even on sata :) |
| 03:04.35 | iantlopp | okay, I downloaded the fwcutter .deb file to install it and when I open it it just opens as if it was an archive and shows me a 3 files inside, none of which are a binary that will actually install anything. |
| 03:04.43 | Stevie-O | My first linux install, I have no idea what the distro was, but I had to recompile my kernel to add sound support |
| 03:04.46 | Victor``` | 4.3 rather |
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| 03:04.58 | Stevie-O | All I can remember was sitting through like 500 questions about the configuration |
| 03:05.05 | wols | iantlopp: you just install the fwcutter deb |
| 03:05.09 | Stevie-O | having no idea if I was answering them correctly |
| 03:05.12 | Victor``` | Stevie-O: slack? |
| 03:05.16 | Stevie-O | no, it wasn't slack |
| 03:05.22 | Victor``` | uh. gentoo? |
| 03:05.23 | Stevie-O | this was even before slack |
| 03:05.34 | Victor``` | before slack? was this like, 1995? |
| 03:05.42 | iantlopp | wols: I'm trying to, but it's only opening the .deb file in the archive manager as if it were some kind of .zip file or something. |
| 03:05.45 | Victor``` | slack is the oldest active distribution. |
| 03:05.49 | wols | it was debian. and dselect most probably |
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| 03:06.05 | Azar | I wonder how potato looked like... |
| 03:06.36 | wols | iantlopp: do you know how to install things? |
| 03:06.39 | Victor``` | i personally never really got into Linux |
| 03:06.53 | wols | iantlopp: man dpkg |
| 03:07.08 | iantlopp | wols: sorrowfully not yet... learning though. |
| 03:07.27 | Victor``` | CentOS was my first Linux distribution |
| 03:07.42 | iantlopp | sorrowfully, LInux-Mandrake was mine. |
| 03:07.43 | wols | !tell iantlopp about grounding |
| 03:07.57 | Victor``` | FreeBSD was my first fully POSIX compatible OS. |
| 03:08.03 | Victor``` | s/compatible/complaint/ |
| 03:08.09 | Victor``` | GAH, compliant. |
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| 03:08.38 | rahul | complaint, indeed |
| 03:09.19 | Azar | Victor```: imagine me, a Debian addict going on a #BSD irc and talk about Debian... and linux in general... :) will I be tolerated? |
| 03:09.26 | Victor``` | i'm not one of those "LOL BSD IS KING FUQ LINUX" idiots. |
| 03:09.45 | Azar | Victor```: I assume not, that why you are here |
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| 03:09.55 | Azar | misterrrr rahul! |
| 03:10.21 | Azar | abrotman is on vacation huh |
| 03:10.24 | Victor``` | I have a Debian box here |
| 03:10.34 | Victor``` | which I do use regularly |
| 03:10.45 | Azar | I have two Debian boxes here, and one in the making |
| 03:10.54 | Azar | "another" one I ment |
| 03:11.22 | Victor``` | the one I have here is just to get used to Linux |
| 03:13.33 | Victor``` | and generally people wouldn't mind you in a *BSD channel talking about Linux |
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| 03:14.21 | iantlopp | once I've got fwcutter installed (with all firmwares copied), do I need to restart before wireless will work? |
| 03:14.29 | JoshH | Victor```: well, they do get sick of saying "bsd is not linux" to newbs every 30 seconds |
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| 03:14.37 | cafuego | !bcm43xx |
| 03:14.38 | dpkg | bcm43xx is, like, the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
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| 03:15.56 | cwheeler | !backup |
| 03:15.56 | dpkg | i guess backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
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| 03:16.25 | cwheeler | !backup programs |
| 03:17.16 | iantlopp | okay, it appears that I've got wireless sort of working... I'm on xchat now using wireless, but can't seem to browse the web... |
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| 03:17.27 | Catachan | are .dll's cross compatible with windows and linux? |
| 03:17.36 | Catachan | I have never been able to figure that out. . . |
| 03:17.41 | cwheeler | no |
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| 03:20.39 | cwheeler | any suggestions on backup systems? |
| 03:21.04 | iantlopp | and nevermind... wireless now seems to fully function... thanks very much for the help... google shall be my friend for a while before I return... |
| 03:21.38 | vano | cwheeler: http://www.rsnapshot.org/ |
| 03:21.59 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 03:25.24 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:25.25 | dpkg | pong |
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| 03:26.45 | jeef | what are some well-supported wifi devices (preferably mini pci-e) that you guys know of? |
| 03:27.22 | mark__ | intel ipw series work great |
| 03:27.26 | replaceafill | i've read that to prevent the ctrl + alt + backspace combination from killing the x server i must "Start X with 'xinit -T'" but i don't know where this command is executed at boot time |
| 03:27.48 | Guerin | jeef: yeah, intel. Anything with a ralink chipset. Prism and some atheros also. |
| 03:27.53 | Dewi | replaceafill: gdm daemon? |
| 03:27.59 | jeef | i have considered getting an atheros |
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| 03:28.02 | Dewi | replaceafill: or one of the others if you don't use gnome login |
| 03:28.05 | jeef | i've read some decent things on them |
| 03:28.08 | Dewi | replaceafill: I'm guessing... |
| 03:28.09 | Guerin | not all atheros are good |
| 03:28.17 | jeef | but i'm curious if intel would be a 'free-er' choice |
| 03:28.27 | replaceafill | Dewi: yeah, but i guess gdm is a binary file |
| 03:28.28 | Guerin | some require madwifi, which is a proprietary pain in the arse |
| 03:28.42 | replaceafill | Dewi: and i cant customized it |
| 03:28.44 | Guerin | jeef: well, yeah. Intel only requires a firmware |
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| 03:29.22 | jeef | kindof looking for something that i can rely on working in linux easily :) |
| 03:29.25 | Dewi | replaceafill: I'm sure it has configuration somewhere |
| 03:29.35 | hark | replaceafill: you can also set it in the serverflags section iirc |
| 03:29.38 | jeef | i've seen an atheros come to working status fairly easily |
| 03:29.54 | replaceafill | hark: serverflags section? |
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| 03:30.02 | Guerin | jeef: not all atherosen are created equal. I recommend ralink and intel. |
| 03:30.03 | replaceafill | hark: can u elaborate on that plz |
| 03:30.15 | jeef | ralink.... i've not heard of them |
| 03:30.21 | jeef | i will maybe wind up with intel, then, i suppose |
| 03:30.24 | mark__ | intel work out of the box with debian after you download the firmware |
| 03:30.27 | hark | replaceafill: in xorg.conf |
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| 03:30.30 | Guerin | they have a 100% free driver |
| 03:30.35 | replaceafill | hark: :O |
| 03:30.44 | Guerin | though the BSD driver is a shitload better than the linux one |
| 03:30.44 | jeef | Guerin: what are the pitfalls/ |
| 03:30.45 | jeef | ? |
| 03:31.03 | Guerin | jeef: the linux driver is a bit shit, but otherwise they're good cards. |
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| 03:31.39 | Guerin | jeef: as in, the linux driver doesn't do master mode, and is capped to 11MBit in ad-hoc; though it works fine in managed mode |
| 03:31.49 | Guerin | the BSD driver has none of these shortfalls |
| 03:32.06 | hark | replaceafill: it's "DontZap" or similar... |
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| 03:32.35 | jeef | like,cool |
| 03:32.41 | jeef | err, minus the "like," |
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| 03:32.48 | woial | i have registered an account on ekiga.net but cannot get connected to the test addr at 500@ekiga.net. only hear a regular 'tut' sound. anyone using ekiga here? |
| 03:32.59 | jeef | i was typing one message and attempted to backspace and timed out.. goddamn my home connection, ssh seems to be "too much" for it |
| 03:33.08 | jeef | crappy ass dorm living... |
| 03:33.10 | Guerin | woial: ask #ekiga on irc.gnome.org |
| 03:33.25 | jeef | Guerin: i appreciate the suggestions, i will heavily look into ralink, i like the sound of 100% free |
| 03:33.26 | woial | Guerin: tried that, its asleep. |
| 03:33.27 | replaceafill | hark: thanks man i just found it in the reference |
| 03:33.37 | Guerin | !piav |
| 03:33.38 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 03:34.07 | jeef | guerin, do you know if they make mini-pci express cards? |
| 03:34.23 | jeef | i see mini pci and pcie on their site, but not exactly mini pci e |
| 03:35.39 | mystic_source | someone knows why the direct rendering don`t work on debian? |
| 03:36.11 | jeef | if there's no mini pci e ralink i may have to fall back to intel's 3945abg model |
| 03:36.18 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:36.18 | stoned | argh |
| 03:36.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:36.27 | woial | what program is there for me to use my webcam to capture an image and save it as an image file? |
| 03:39.35 | woial | heh? |
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| 03:40.15 | squisher | woial: dunno, have you tried 'apt-cache search'? |
| 03:40.15 | FuzzplugJones | i upgraded my sarge server to etch and i've got some problems... |
| 03:40.40 | FuzzplugJones | biggest problem right now is with clamav |
| 03:41.13 | woial | squisher: don't know what to search for. i thought this is something very common. i am new to this. just got a webcam yesterday. |
| 03:41.26 | FuzzplugJones | when i type /etc/init.d/clamav-daemon start it goes back to a prompt without printing anything, and clamav doesn't start. |
| 03:41.53 | squisher | woial: I don't have one at all, but I'd imagine that 'apt-cache search webcam' will give you some programs. Just do such a generic search if noone answers you. |
| 03:42.04 | FuzzplugJones | i tried apt-get remove --purge clamav and reinstalled and still the same... then i deleted the startup scripts in /etc/init.d thinking they were borked and uninstalled/reinstalled again and the startup files in /etc/init.d weren't replaced. |
| 03:42.27 | squisher | FuzzplugJones: sounds like you need to edit something in /etc/default/ ... |
| 03:43.06 | Guerin | FuzzplugJones: sounds like you need to read /usr/share/doc/clamav/ |
| 03:43.11 | FuzzplugJones | nothing in /etc/default/clamav, there's just a few "export" examples and they're commented out |
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| 03:44.10 | woial | squisher: great, there really is a package called webcam which is supposed to capture and upload images. thks. |
| 03:44.42 | FuzzplugJones | i assume i'm looking at README.Debian.gz? |
| 03:44.48 | squisher | woial: np, just remember 'apt-cache search' for future use :-) |
| 03:45.10 | woial | 8) |
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| 03:45.33 | FuzzplugJones | i can't access it, less treats it as binary, and gunzip README.Debian.gz says "not a regular file - ignored" |
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| 03:48.09 | FuzzplugJones | how do i get the init scripts back for clamav? i thought they came with the clamav package |
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| 03:48.58 | Guerin | FuzzplugJones: reinstall |
| 03:49.09 | Guerin | re-run the post-inst script |
| 03:49.17 | FuzzplugJones | i have reinstalled |
| 03:49.21 | FuzzplugJones | how do i rerun the post init script |
| 03:49.31 | Guerin | it should run on install |
| 03:49.37 | FuzzplugJones | i'll try once more |
| 03:49.47 | Guerin | what you can do is look in /var/cache/apt/archives and /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 03:49.56 | FuzzplugJones | for what |
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| 03:50.13 | mystic_source | well thanks for the help ayway cya |
| 03:50.17 | phasegen | Can anyone tell me if I can just wipe the root partition and leave my home partition alone to move from ubuntu to debian? |
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| 03:50.58 | FuzzplugJones | Selecting previously deselected package clamav. |
| 03:50.58 | FuzzplugJones | (Reading database ... 55281 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 03:50.58 | FuzzplugJones | Unpacking clamav (from .../clamav_0.90.1-3etch1_i386.deb) ... |
| 03:50.58 | FuzzplugJones | Setting up clamav (0.90.1-3etch1) ... |
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| 03:52.46 | grumbel | do I need to 'make clean' when changing the kernel configuration (make xconfig) or can I just do 'make-kpkg binary'? |
| 03:52.57 | LordDeLaCepa | hola |
| 03:53.06 | LordDeLaCepa | alguien que hable castellano? |
| 03:53.40 | phasegen | anyone? |
| 03:53.41 | wols | most times it will still work |
| 03:54.01 | wols | but the recommeded way is to make mrproper |
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| 03:54.42 | LordDeLaCepa | I have a problem with apollon: it's says that can't found ThumbCreator, any clue? |
| 03:55.12 | phasegen | Can anyone tell me if I can just wipe the root partition and leave my home partition intact to move from ubuntu to debian as a not as clean install? |
| 03:56.02 | squisher | phasegen: that should work just fine. If you run into problems you can always remove the config files for the programs that are affected |
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| 03:57.23 | LordDeLaCepa | someone know about p2p? |
| 03:57.28 | LordDeLaCepa | pleeeeaseeeeee |
| 03:57.32 | phasegen | squisher: sweet, I just didn't want to have to backup and rewrite 78Gb of stuff. Thanks |
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| 03:57.58 | Guerin | it's illegal |
| 03:58.03 | Guerin | LordDeLaCepa: ↑ |
| 03:58.20 | LordDeLaCepa | what??? |
| 03:58.23 | Guerin | and apollon *should* be illegal, it's so shit |
| 03:58.26 | LordDeLaCepa | p2p? |
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| 03:58.35 | Guerin | y2s |
| 03:58.37 | squisher | phasegen: :-) No, that really is not necessary. If you want to get a completely fresh start, just move your home directory to <username>.old, so all config files will get created from scratch, but you still have all your files in the .old folder |
| 03:58.38 | wols | Guerin: cause WoW uses it? makes sense: drug paraphernalias for use with crack are illegal |
| 03:58.43 | phasegen | Guerin: LordDeLaCepa: that depends on what country you're in... |
| 03:58.50 | Guerin | phasegen: lies |
| 03:59.10 | Guerin | wols: yes. Because WoW uses it. |
| 03:59.16 | wols | phasegen: there is only one country. The USA and its colonies |
| 03:59.19 | wols | didn't you get the memo |
| 03:59.20 | LordDeLaCepa | argentina, here everithing it's kind of legal |
| 03:59.22 | LordDeLaCepa | :P |
| 03:59.29 | Guerin | now just wait until second life does some way of getting p2p virtual apartments and shit |
| 03:59.50 | phasegen | squisher: there's another good thing to know. Thank you very much! That sounds even safer. |
| 04:00.02 | wols | Guerin: SL is so capitalstic and moneygrubbing, the average merkin politician will feel right at home |
| 04:00.13 | wols | RIAA/MPAA members too |
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| 04:00.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:01.03 | LordDeLaCepa | guerin, what is iligal? |
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| 04:01.27 | Guerin | LordDeLaCepa: a word which, if badly pronounced, sounds a bit like `illegal'? |
| 04:01.30 | phasegen | wols: I'm an American, but I'm an Arkansan First. |
| 04:01.43 | Guerin | phasegen: is that something to be proud of? |
| 04:01.49 | jnguy | Arkansan.... hahahaha. |
| 04:01.53 | jnguy | Guerin: Where are you from? |
| 04:02.05 | Guerin | jnguy: i'm from Planet Whois |
| 04:02.05 | wols | jnguy: terra |
| 04:02.10 | phasegen | Only if you carry a bowie knife |
| 04:02.12 | jnguy | terra? |
| 04:02.17 | Guerin | phasegen: hotdamn |
| 04:02.24 | wols | yes, terra. sol system |
| 04:02.26 | LordDeLaCepa | are you all yankis? |
| 04:02.28 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:02.34 | jnguy | yankis? |
| 04:02.41 | jetscreamer | !pal carpetbaggers |
| 04:02.45 | LordDeLaCepa | north americans |
| 04:02.49 | jnguy | ah. |
| 04:03.05 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: #debian is an international channel |
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| 04:03.29 | phasegen | LordDeLaCepa: Some of us folks from the united states take exception to the term yankee. It's kind of an insult. |
| 04:03.41 | jnguy | really? |
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| 04:03.57 | Guerin | yeah, they'd argue that `North america' doesn't start at panama, it stants at mason-dixon |
| 04:04.07 | jnguy | Guerin: from down under eh? |
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| 04:04.18 | phasegen | It means "uncultured abraisive yes-man" |
| 04:04.20 | Guerin | jnguy: noo zullun |
| 04:04.29 | jnguy | close enough =) |
| 04:04.31 | LordDeLaCepa | ok, I don't have anything against you people, just a lot against your goverment, I apologies |
| 04:04.45 | LordDeLaCepa | o how it's says |
| 04:04.47 | wols | phasegen: sounds about right? |
| 04:04.48 | jnguy | LordDeLaCepa: Unfortunately, our government is made up of our people. |
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| 04:05.11 | Stevie-O | okay |
| 04:05.17 | LordDeLaCepa | I'm not completly agree with that |
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| 04:05.34 | phasegen | LordDeLaCepa: unfortunately most people aren't from Dixie.... |
| 04:05.37 | Stevie-O | I upgraded my system and now X won't start |
| 04:05.38 | Guerin | woah, no flood of `it's not MY government, I'm a libertarian and don't vote' comments |
| 04:05.38 | jnguy | we live in a democracy, our government is our own fault. |
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| 04:05.51 | Stevie-O | or so it would seem |
| 04:05.57 | Guerin | Stevie-O: why not? |
| 04:05.58 | jnguy | Guerin: haha. Quite the opposite. |
| 04:05.59 | LordDeLaCepa | what is dixie? |
| 04:06.10 | Stevie-O | I would love to know the answer to that question, Guerin |
| 04:06.17 | Guerin | !log |
| 04:06.19 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: a song |
| 04:06.21 | Guerin | !logs |
| 04:06.21 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 04:06.35 | Guerin | dpkg, log is <reply> see logs |
| 04:06.36 | phasegen | jnguy: Not mine, I told our newly elected Governor his first order of business should be secession. |
| 04:06.36 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:06.37 | LordDeLaCepa | didn't know it |
| 04:06.43 | Guerin | phasegen: hahah |
| 04:06.46 | jnguy | phasegen: where are you from? |
| 04:06.52 | Stevie-O | i'm looking at Xorg.log |
| 04:06.54 | Guerin | jnguy: ark'nsaw |
| 04:06.57 | cafuego | <troll> Windows 2003 is sking for a CD I don't have, which file in /var/log will help me?</troll> |
| 04:06.58 | Stevie-O | Xorg.0.log |
| 04:07.01 | jnguy | hahaha. |
| 04:07.02 | jnguy | yeah right. |
| 04:07.03 | phasegen | Little Rock |
| 04:07.06 | Stevie-O | hahaha |
| 04:07.09 | jetscreamer | you should look at Xorg.0.log |
| 04:07.14 | jnguy | Arkansas is going to survive by itself =) |
| 04:07.21 | LordDeLaCepa | but well somebody can help me with apollon, I promes: I will not download any gringo music |
| 04:07.27 | LordDeLaCepa | you can be sure of that |
| 04:07.45 | Guerin | jnguy: yeah, just like Guam |
| 04:07.48 | jetscreamer | LordDeLaCepa: doesn't start? start it from an xterm |
| 04:07.54 | LordDeLaCepa | you should be more tolerant |
| 04:08.13 | phasegen | LordDeLaCepa: Most gringo bands don't mind, only the record companies. |
| 04:08.16 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: gringo corps have gloria estefan and ricky marting under contract too. can't help you rip of a major label |
| 04:08.19 | Guerin | LordDeLaCepa: apollon is shit. |
| 04:08.20 | LordDeLaCepa | what is a xterm? |
| 04:08.21 | Stevie-O | well, there are no errors in Xorg.0.log, but when I try to start kdm, it switches to tty7 but nothing comes up |
| 04:08.34 | jetscreamer | it's that black window thingy |
| 04:08.37 | jetscreamer | with the prompt |
| 04:08.50 | jetscreamer | !xterm |
| 04:08.51 | dpkg | [xterm] the X terminal emulator and that's all it does: It emulates a terminal under X. Once you get used to the shell, you will start to feel somewhat limited in your actions when you only have a mouse to click at things. That's why so many Unix users don't like Windows (well, that and the "big evil corporation" thing...). I bet that in six months from now, "GUI" will mean "four xterms and a background picture" to you. see xterm-debian |
| 04:09.15 | Stevie-O | oh, here's an error |
| 04:09.16 | Stevie-O | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:09.20 | Stevie-O | and |
| 04:09.21 | Stevie-O | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 04:09.23 | LordDeLaCepa | it start, but not conect, allways say: conecting, in the four redes |
| 04:09.26 | jnguy | the font is fine. |
| 04:09.34 | jnguy | which video card? |
| 04:09.34 | jetscreamer | the font is ignorable |
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| 04:09.43 | Guerin | Stevie-O: only (EE) lines are errors. /msg dpkg drxx |
| 04:09.43 | jetscreamer | dri you might have to load |
| 04:09.46 | jetscreamer | ati i think |
| 04:09.54 | jnguy | yuck.\ |
| 04:10.01 | LordDeLaCepa | jetscreamer: ait, it's to me? |
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| 04:10.05 | jnguy | not that I'm down with closed source drivers... but they do work better. |
| 04:10.05 | LordDeLaCepa | ati |
| 04:10.13 | jetscreamer | LordDeLaCepa: no |
| 04:10.30 | phasegen | Goodnight everyone, everywhere. God bless everyone, no exceptions. Even those of you who secretly use windows for games... ;) |
| 04:10.31 | LordDeLaCepa | jetscreamer: it start, but not conect, allways say: conecting, in the four redes |
| 04:10.41 | jnguy | phasegen: night. |
| 04:10.41 | jetscreamer | LordDeLaCepa: you might need to open up whatever port apollon uses, in your router |
| 04:11.02 | darweth | I use Windows for MS Office. |
| 04:11.08 | darweth | Is that worse? |
| 04:11.14 | jetscreamer | !pal darweth |
| 04:11.16 | Guerin | darweth: you have my condolences. |
| 04:11.19 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 04:11.23 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: do you have a gift server/client running? |
| 04:11.24 | jetscreamer | dareth: whatever works |
| 04:11.28 | LordDeLaCepa | jetscreamer: got no router, just firewall and I already set it |
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| 04:11.41 | jetscreamer | LordDeLaCepa: no idea then |
| 04:11.52 | wols | LordDeLaCepa: apollon seems to be a GUI only. not a client |
| 04:11.55 | LordDeLaCepa | etscreamer: it's doesn't found the ThumbCreator it says |
| 04:11.56 | jetscreamer | add a server or something? i forget how it works |
| 04:12.08 | Guerin | wols: it's a client for giftd |
| 04:12.10 | jetscreamer | does giFT and others iirc |
| 04:12.18 | jnguy | darweth: Unfortunately, our world dictates that Windows is a necessary evil. |
| 04:12.18 | Guerin | you probably need to run a local giftd too |
| 04:12.22 | uzer_ | is there any easy way to get an updated version wine to run in testing? |
| 04:12.31 | Guerin | jnguy: no, it does nothing of the sort. |
| 04:12.46 | LordDeLaCepa | etscreamer: yes it work with giFT and so FastTrack, OpenNap, etc |
| 04:12.51 | jetscreamer | Guerin: heh, what corporate ladder did you not climb |
| 04:13.06 | jnguy | Guerin: yeah, lets be realistic here. |
| 04:13.13 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i jumped off it to go travelling, and am trying to get back on ;) |
| 04:13.14 | jetscreamer | i got to config vista in front of a small crowd today |
| 04:13.50 | jetscreamer | and i did the vista beta for like 3 days |
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| 04:13.54 | Guerin | jnguy: it's not necessary in the same sense as fuel, food, tax |
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| 04:14.10 | jnguy | haha |
| 04:14.14 | jnguy | if you just included food, I'd take it. |
| 04:14.18 | jetscreamer | BUT! i did get to say the word linux! |
| 04:14.19 | jnguy | its as necessary as fuel and tax. |
| 04:14.41 | stoned | rahul: it was a scam |
| 04:14.49 | jetscreamer | heh... and fuel is taxed |
| 04:15.11 | Guerin | jnguy: absolutely not. Without tax, there's no government; withoout government there's no rule of law. Without fuel there's no transport infrastructure. Without windows there's just no spam and a month downtime while everyone learns to get their shit together. |
| 04:15.12 | jnguy | uzer_: download the source and try to use checkinstall? |
| 04:15.13 | jetscreamer | large% |
| 04:15.27 | rahul | stoned: the person wanting to buy the box? |
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| 04:15.45 | jnguy | Guerin: naw. We lived without government/tax and fuel. |
| 04:15.47 | stoned | rahul: I emailed her back, saying THANKS FOR BUYING MY PC. I SHIPPED IT ALREADY. WHEN CAN I HAVE THE MONEY ORDER |
| 04:16.00 | stoned | rahul: and in the bod of the email, I wrote, you have absolutely no clue how to scam people do you |
| 04:16.03 | stoned | lol |
| 04:16.05 | rahul | heh |
| 04:16.05 | jnguy | why is rule of law and transport necessary? |
| 04:16.08 | LordDeLaCepa | so no clue for my litle problem? |
| 04:16.09 | jnguy | necessary by whos standard? |
| 04:16.24 | Guerin | jnguy: ok, if you want to get anarcho-primitive about it, we can do without ALL of those things. Bar food. And beer, which is of course, food. |
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| 04:16.35 | stoned | jetscreamer: ? |
| 04:16.47 | stoned | raheul msg |
| 04:16.50 | stoned | er.. |
| 04:16.54 | jnguy | I don't. |
| 04:16.56 | jetscreamer | did i mention that thing comes with dns and mail and stuff |
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| 04:17.08 | jnguy | I'm very realistic, I think we need taxes, fuel, and windows =) |
| 04:17.24 | jnguy | with 90% marketshare, its not something you ignore. |
| 04:17.29 | jetscreamer | and lots of different types of sql servers |
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| 04:17.42 | jetscreamer | oracle costs more though |
| 04:17.47 | Guerin | i don't ignore it; I just don't think it can't be replaced. |
| 04:17.49 | squisher | jnguy: you still are wrong, because Linux can provide exactly the same functionality as Windows, as such it is definitely not necessary |
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| 04:18.01 | Guerin | squisher: well, no. Not exactly the same. |
| 04:18.04 | jnguy | squisher: It obviously can't. |
| 04:18.17 | Guerin | squisher: it can provide most of the same core functionality, though. |
| 04:18.20 | jnguy | especially if you consider ease of use. |
| 04:18.36 | jackinson | jetscreamer & liable: good morning!! Yesterday night, I got GRUB (but no menus, just command prompt) after rebooting. Then in grub prompt, I entered myself root ..., kernel ..., initrd ..., boot. Then I got Debian. Again I have to say thanks to you. Now still one more request, in Debian, I opened terminal, and entered "grub-install /dev/hda" , there too it takes too much time. May I... |
| 04:18.38 | jackinson | ...manually create the GRUB menus?? |
| 04:18.40 | Guerin | jnguy: ease of use is largely deterministic |
| 04:18.43 | jnguy | functionality don't do nobody any good if people can't use. |
| 04:19.06 | jnguy | Guerin: I agree. Lets keep it general. |
| 04:19.10 | squisher | Guerin: you're right, but Linux has the potential to have the same functionality, correct? |
| 04:19.26 | jnguy | squisher: potential isn't anything if it isn't realized. |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin | squisher: well, anything is a potenbtial anything |
| 04:19.42 | wols | jackinson: when you got the grub prompt, then it's already installed. just fix your menu.lst |
| 04:20.03 | Guerin | squisher: the point is that most of that functionality is realised, and the rest of it is very non-trivial, in either a technical or a legal sense |
| 04:20.12 | Guerin | or hell, in both |
| 04:20.12 | jackinson | wols: I do not have GRUB menu.lst file under /boot/grub/ folder. |
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| 04:20.25 | Guerin | jnguy: run update-grub |
| 04:20.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:20.29 | jnguy | ? |
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| 04:20.31 | Guerin | jackinson: ↑ |
| 04:20.33 | jnguy | haha |
| 04:20.45 | jnguy | woah. How'd you get that arrow to show up? |
| 04:20.59 | Guerin | m4d 5k1lz |
| 04:21.02 | LordDeLaCepa | bye |
| 04:21.04 | jnguy | haha. |
| 04:21.08 | Guerin | using rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 04:21.08 | LordDeLaCepa | thanks anyway |
| 04:21.46 | jnguy | neat. |
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| 04:21.46 | Guerin | push and hold shift, push ctrl and release both, then hit `up' |
| 04:21.46 | hark | 1337 ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑ ;) |
| 04:22.13 | jnguy | nope. Didn't work =( Guess I don't have m4d skills. |
| 04:22.25 | Guerin | aww |
| 04:22.37 | Guerin | !nopony jnguy |
| 04:22.37 | dpkg | jnguy: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 04:23.13 | jnguy | and just one last point about the windows stuff, who knows where we'd be without the sheer volume of windows users. |
| 04:23.31 | Guerin | yes, this is also deterministic |
| 04:23.35 | jnguy | not saying that society wouldn't have eventually figured it out, but they definitely figured out how to get PCs to the mass market. |
| 04:23.58 | Guerin | there are lots of windows users because windows hardware is cheap and plentiful; windows hardware is cheap and plentiful because there are shitloads of users |
| 04:24.24 | jetscreamer | 'windows' hardware? |
| 04:24.48 | jnguy | yeah. If there was no linux, and assuming linux progressed the way it has, pc penetration would've taken significantly longer. |
| 04:24.51 | jnguy | lol |
| 04:25.03 | jnguy | I mean penetration in the household sense, not getting your windows box owned :) |
| 04:25.14 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i use the term to include `pc hardware' including that which only works with windows |
| 04:25.19 | jnguy | and who knows if linux would've progressed as fast. |
| 04:26.09 | jetscreamer | that dude had a nice new laptop though |
| 04:26.17 | Guerin | linux caught the PC wave at its crest. You could argue it prolonged it, but I don't think so. It definitely didn't *drive* the commodity hardware market |
| 04:26.20 | jetscreamer | :/ i need 5 |
| 04:26.25 | jetscreamer | s/need/want/ |
| 04:27.13 | jnguy | I wish I didn't have to support IE. |
| 04:27.34 | Guerin | and now we get to the root of the problem |
| 04:27.39 | jnguy | OR I wish I didn't have to support firefox, but I prefer the Gecko engine. |
| 04:27.44 | Stevie-O | okay, I don't get it |
| 04:27.45 | CaT[tm] | guerin: true. that'd be more the affect of windows. I doubt I'd be buying 2gb of ram as cheaply as I can now if windows didn't need a min of 1 (and now 2) jsut to function on a basic level. |
| 04:27.52 | jnguy | windows gave the PC world standardization. |
| 04:27.54 | Stevie-O | when I do 'startx' |
| 04:27.58 | Guerin | CaT[tm]: right. And OSX is no better. |
| 04:28.16 | Guerin | jnguy: the loosest and most malfunctional standardisation ever. |
| 04:28.27 | Stevie-O | it tells me 'Screen 0 is not DRI capable' then immediately says 'waiting for X server to shut down' |
| 04:28.30 | jnguy | haha, I don't know of many good standards :) |
| 04:28.31 | Guerin | jnguy: i think it's rivalled by vehicle parts, but only just |
| 04:28.37 | Sweetandy | VOTE: Should virtualization software, because of it's soft nature but hardware-simulation features, be known as "flaccid-ware"? |
| 04:28.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:28.53 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: does it shut down? |
| 04:28.57 | Guerin | Sweetandy: ask slashdot |
| 04:29.00 | Stevie-O | I assume so, since it stops |
| 04:29.03 | Stevie-O | but here's the thing |
| 04:29.08 | Stevie-O | I straced startx to catch all execves |
| 04:29.14 | Stevie-O | and the part that runs X is '/usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp' |
| 04:29.18 | Stevie-O | and if I run that manually |
| 04:29.27 | Stevie-O | X starts up |
| 04:29.38 | Stevie-O | nothing happens, cuz there's no program, but X runs nonetheless |
| 04:29.40 | Guerin | Sweetandy: huh |
| 04:29.45 | Guerin | Stevie-O: huh |
| 04:29.50 | Guerin | Stevie-O: try startx? |
| 04:30.08 | jetscreamer | so what driver are you using for xorg, Stevie-O |
| 04:30.22 | Sweetandy | Sweetandy: I'll ask slashdot |
| 04:30.27 | Stevie-O | vesa |
| 04:30.44 | jnguy | AND, although I really don't like them, Microsoft research has made its contributions to society. |
| 04:30.45 | jetscreamer | !tell Stevie-O -about enter |
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| 04:30.52 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: so what kind of card is it |
| 04:31.11 | jnguy | man. I didn't know Leslie Lamport worked for microsoft. |
| 04:31.27 | Stevie-O | Guerin: startx runs for a second and then tells me 'waiting for X server to shut down' |
| 04:31.49 | Guerin | jnguy: sure. And gangsters, by their profligate spending, make some people rich. |
| 04:31.51 | Stevie-O | but if I run the same command startx uses to start X, X comes up |
| 04:32.04 | Guerin | but they're not good when you take the net. |
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| 04:32.13 | Guerin | Stevie-O: i bet kdm is using a different xorg.conf |
| 04:32.30 | jnguy | hm. |
| 04:32.36 | jnguy | gangsters, a necessary evil? :) |
| 04:32.38 | Guerin | jnguy: yeh, good thing they didn't steal teh LaTeX |
| 04:32.49 | Guerin | jnguy: heh, there's probably a case to be made there. |
| 04:33.04 | Stevie-O | how would I confirm this, Guerin? |
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| 04:33.23 | Guerin | Stevie-O: dunno. It might be documented. |
| 04:33.29 | jnguy | strace? |
| 04:33.35 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: so what kind of card is it |
| 04:33.46 | Guerin | strace is an option, but i dislike it as a first step |
| 04:33.47 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: I created the menu list, but still I do not get GRUB menu, again I got the GRUB command prompt. What to do? |
| 04:33.52 | jnguy | yeah |
| 04:33.55 | jnguy | a bit excessive. |
| 04:34.00 | Guerin | aye. |
| 04:34.01 | jnguy | hm |
| 04:34.10 | jnguy | just check the read time of xorg.conf |
| 04:34.41 | jnguy | or even strace with grep shouldn't be too bad. |
| 04:34.43 | jetscreamer | jackinson: if the file is good, and device.map is good, run grub-install hd0 |
| 04:34.53 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: I got it now working. after trying "setup (hd0)". Thank you. |
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| 04:35.36 | jackinson | liable & jetscreamer: Debian is great. Even though I got program on migration, I like working in Debian. |
| 04:35.41 | jackinson | Thank you all. |
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| 04:38.01 | Sweetandy | Is DVD software technically "free"? |
| 04:38.19 | jnguy | what does technically free mean? |
| 04:38.29 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: you're using vesa, of course it's not aiglx capable |
| 04:38.30 | Sweetandy | free as in freedom |
| 04:38.40 | jnguy | no? |
| 04:38.40 | Sweetandy | and also, How do I change my default browser? |
| 04:38.47 | Sweetandy | jnguy: *snap* all right |
| 04:38.58 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
| 04:39.13 | jnguy | I thought it was a window manager setting. |
| 04:39.24 | Stevie-O | jetscreamer: which is fine. That doesn't explain by kdm won't run. |
| 04:41.45 | Sweetandy | Is there an environment setting that needs to be changed for the default browser? |
| 04:42.16 | jnguy | Sweetandy: which window manager? |
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| 04:42.33 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: you're using vesa, of course it's not aiglx capable |
| 04:42.42 | jetscreamer | yes it explains it |
| 04:42.54 | jetscreamer | least seems to me |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: so what kind of card is it |
| 04:43.07 | jnguy | sure does. |
| 04:44.01 | jetscreamer | try startkde btw |
| 04:44.07 | Stevie-O | that just gives me errors |
| 04:44.15 | Stevie-O | because it apparently doesn't start an X server |
| 04:44.28 | jetscreamer | i asked you 4 times what card |
| 04:44.30 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 04:44.32 | Stevie-O | THERE IS NO CARD |
| 04:44.40 | jetscreamer | no video card? |
| 04:44.46 | jetscreamer | so you're running headless |
| 04:44.47 | Stevie-O | no. it's an embedded video *chipset* on the motherboard |
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| 04:44.57 | Sweetandy | jnguy: Er, the Debian GNOME? |
| 04:44.57 | jetscreamer | ok then what chipset |
| 04:45.02 | Stevie-O | and it doesn't matter, because I'm using VESA, which runs on everything |
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| 04:45.10 | Stevie-O | it's not complaining that there are no screens found. |
| 04:45.11 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: you're using vesa, of course it's not aiglx capable |
| 04:45.19 | jnguy | turn off AIGLX |
| 04:45.23 | jnguy | unless you're trying to use beryl |
| 04:45.26 | Stevie-O | which is fine. That's not what's preventing X from starting |
| 04:45.31 | jetscreamer | use the correct driver |
| 04:45.37 | Stevie-O | or, more precisely, it's not what's causing X to *stop* |
| 04:45.39 | jetscreamer | IT'S NOT FINE YOU MORON |
| 04:45.45 | jetscreamer | IT'S YOUR ERROR |
| 04:45.55 | jnguy | jetscreamer: chill out. |
| 04:46.00 | Stevie-O | fine. tell me how to turn off aiglx |
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| 04:46.16 | jetscreamer | tell me what chipset and i'l tell you what driver to use |
| 04:46.24 | Stevie-O | jnguy? |
| 04:46.35 | jnguy | ? |
| 04:46.39 | Stevie-O | how do I turn off aiglx? |
| 04:46.49 | wols | Stevie-O: how did you turn it on? |
| 04:46.56 | Stevie-O | I didn't. |
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| 04:47.17 | wols | Stevie-O: what debian version? |
| 04:47.19 | stoned | !ping |
| 04:47.20 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:47.23 | stoned | oh comone man |
| 04:47.25 | stoned | wtf is with my net |
| 04:47.33 | stoned | !ping |
| 04:47.33 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:47.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.37 | stoned | goddamit |
| 04:47.43 | jetscreamer | oops sorry |
| 04:47.44 | wols | Stevie-O: dpkg is ddosing you |
| 04:47.58 | Stevie-O | wols: testing/unstable |
| 04:47.59 | wols | !tell Stevie-O about drxx |
| 04:48.09 | stoned | if you're using the nvidia driver you should not load GLCore or DRI modules |
| 04:48.11 | wols | Stevie-O: there is no aiglx in debian btw |
| 04:48.11 | stoned | :/ |
| 04:48.13 | Stevie-O | Someone already directed me to that. |
| 04:48.25 | wols | then disable dri and drm |
| 04:48.34 | wols | and finally tell us what videochipset you have |
| 04:48.34 | jetscreamer | [23.10.56] <Stevie-O> (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:48.34 | ericP | i useta use tzconfig to set my, get this, system time zone. now all it (well, tzselect, which appears to have replaced it) does is advise me to set a TZ env. |
| 04:48.41 | Stevie-O | by what means? |
| 04:48.46 | ericP | what happened to the tzconfig functionality in sid? |
| 04:48.46 | wols | lspci |
| 04:48.53 | Stevie-O | I Do Not Know How To Disable AIGLX/DRI/DRM/Whatever |
| 04:49.03 | wols | we just damn told you |
| 04:49.12 | wols | cam you read? |
| 04:49.14 | Stevie-O | where? |
| 04:49.17 | wols | *can |
| 04:49.21 | stoned | Stevie-O: it is disabled in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:49.26 | wols | 06:47 < wols> !tell Stevie-O about drxx |
| 04:49.34 | stoned | Stevie-O: near the top, #comment out the .. or drxx |
| 04:49.39 | Stevie-O | uh |
| 04:49.58 | stoned | Stevie-O: just fucking type as root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:50.03 | wols | before you run drxx, tell us the chipset |
| 04:50.05 | Stevie-O | I already have done that |
| 04:50.14 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep VGA |
| 04:50.19 | wols | in there is a listing of modules to load. DRI/DRM is among them |
| 04:50.26 | jnguy | x11 doesn't automatically try to use AIGLX or GLX right? |
| 04:50.33 | jetscreamer | you'll have to do it again, but correctly, armed with more knowledge |
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| 04:50.37 | wols | jnguy: nope. he did something on his own |
| 04:50.43 | Stevie-O | dude, I am *looking* at my xorg.conf |
| 04:50.51 | stoned | dealing with a total noob on irc requires MUCH patience |
| 04:50.53 | wols | Stevie-O: what is your chipset? |
| 04:50.54 | stoned | guys. |
| 04:50.56 | wols | then run drxx |
| 04:51.08 | Stevie-O | stoned: The problem is, I'm not a total noob. People keep answering the questions I'm not asking |
| 04:51.14 | wols | stoned: no. it requires a LART. or sevreal. WMD sized LARTs |
| 04:51.25 | wols | !noob |
| 04:51.26 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 04:51.31 | jetscreamer | bring back mwilson! |
| 04:51.33 | Stevie-O | *the* *chipset* *doesn't* *matter* |
| 04:51.38 | stoned | Stevie-O: what video card do you use? |
| 04:51.39 | jetscreamer | yes it does |
| 04:51.39 | jnguy | lol. |
| 04:51.41 | Stevie-O | Why? |
| 04:51.41 | wols | stoned: it fucking does |
| 04:51.50 | jetscreamer | stoned: it's not a video CARD |
| 04:52.05 | wols | cause you have an unaccelerated framebuffer slow as molasses? |
| 04:52.06 | stoned | then what is it? |
| 04:52.07 | jnguy | hmm... okay, I tried to get everyone to calm down, but I must say, you're asking for it Stevie-O |
| 04:52.16 | stoned | wols: it fucking does what? |
| 04:52.19 | stoned | I ddin't say anything |
| 04:52.24 | wols | ii's on the mobo. that magically makes it not a videocard |
| 04:52.31 | jetscreamer | stoned: [23.46.12] <Stevie-O> THERE IS NO CARD |
| 04:52.35 | wols | stoned: sry, wrong nick complete. you know me |
| 04:52.40 | stoned | heh ok np |
| 04:52.51 | Stevie-O | Okay, is there a valid technical reason why my chipset is important? |
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| 04:53.03 | jetscreamer | so you can use the correct driver |
| 04:53.13 | wols | does the word "unaccelerated 2D and 3D" tell you something? if not: please go away and install DOS |
| 04:53.14 | Stevie-O | VESA should work for *anything*. Is that not correct? |
| 04:53.15 | jetscreamer | vesa doesn't seem to be cutting it |
| 04:53.17 | Guerin | no, vesa should Just Work |
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| 04:53.26 | Guerin | and IS working under some circumstances |
| 04:53.32 | wols | Guerin: for very small values of "work" |
| 04:53.37 | Guerin | wols: yes. |
| 04:53.42 | stoned | wow |
| 04:53.49 | jetscreamer | so when kde loads, bork-o... ? |
| 04:53.49 | stoned | is like a fucking circus in here |
| 04:53.50 | jnguy | it *does* work. He has tty :) |
| 04:54.04 | jetscreamer | real men use consoles anyway |
| 04:54.10 | stoned | real men |
| 04:54.10 | wols | stoned: it's #debian. what did you expect? |
| 04:54.12 | Stevie-O | wols |
| 04:54.14 | stoned | whats a fake man? |
| 04:54.21 | Stevie-O | "it's slow" is *not* a valid technical reason |
| 04:54.26 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge *org* |
| 04:54.28 | wols | stoned: get a mirror and you see |
| 04:54.36 | jnguy | wols: lol. |
| 04:54.39 | stoned | wols: oh burn |
| 04:54.41 | stoned | damn you |
| 04:54.45 | stoned | wols 1, stoned 0 |
| 04:54.47 | jetscreamer | stoned: transvestites? |
| 04:54.49 | stoned | wols: i hate you :) |
| 04:54.55 | wols | stoned: fix your own problem then. good bye |
| 04:54.55 | Stevie-O | just for kicks |
| 04:55.04 | stoned | wols: dude... im not Stevie-O |
| 04:55.05 | stoned | :) |
| 04:55.08 | wols | stoned: you're not alone there. you have lots of company |
| 04:55.08 | PingFloyd | vesa doesn't work for everything |
| 04:55.17 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep VGA |
| 04:55.20 | Stevie-O | PingFloyd: It was working for me until I did an upgrade this evening |
| 04:55.22 | Guerin | PingFloyd: but it DOES work for his card |
| 04:55.24 | wols | stoned: well, you're as fake as he is. hard to distinguish :P |
| 04:55.34 | stoned | wols: i still hate ya ;) |
| 04:55.35 | Guerin | the issue here is to do with KDM being fucktarded |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | not to do with his video hardware |
| 04:55.49 | jnguy | hm |
| 04:55.50 | Stevie-O | Guerin: But people are too hung up on chipsets, so here we go |
| 04:55.52 | stoned | i gotta get up in like 8 hours i think |
| 04:55.56 | stoned | or 7 and go back to work |
| 04:55.57 | Guerin | Stevie-O: yes. |
| 04:56.02 | jetscreamer | now he's gonna say nvidia |
| 04:56.10 | jetscreamer | i'm hoping for radeon |
| 04:56.13 | stoned | i took some pain pills while at work.. I was doing pretty good all day |
| 04:56.16 | stoned | i was happy |
| 04:56.17 | stoned | :D |
| 04:56.20 | jetscreamer | gd this is like dumb |
| 04:56.20 | Stevie-O | of course I'm going to say nvidia |
| 04:56.24 | jnguy | Guerin: I have an idea on how to detect which xorg.conf its using. Fuck one up :) |
| 04:56.25 | Guerin | Stevie-O: just smoke dope instead |
| 04:56.28 | Guerin | meh |
| 04:56.30 | Stevie-O | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6100 nForce 405 (rev a2) |
| 04:56.33 | Guerin | stoned: just smoke dope instead |
| 04:56.33 | jetscreamer | mv one |
| 04:56.35 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:56.41 | stoned | Guerin: nah |
| 04:56.43 | Guerin | stoned: then you can eat soap and fly home in a bubble |
| 04:56.47 | jetscreamer | now somebody get him using the nvidia.deb |
| 04:56.48 | stoned | hahaha |
| 04:56.54 | jnguy | hahahahaha |
| 04:57.00 | Guerin | jetscreamer: fuck that |
| 04:57.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
| 04:57.09 | stoned | ahem |
| 04:57.22 | wols | stoned: you should hate jetscreamer. he clearly advances armaggeddon and is an agent of the antichrist |
| 04:57.24 | Stevie-O | Guerin: You seem to be the only one who has actually paid attention to what I've said. Any ideas? |
| 04:57.25 | jetscreamer | uh.. my wife would be devastated dude, or i would |
| 04:57.38 | Guerin | Stevie-O: purge kdm. |
| 04:57.43 | stoned | wols: I grew up listening to the Antichrist Superstart |
| 04:57.46 | stoned | wols: I grew up listening to the Antichrist Superstar |
| 04:57.49 | wols | Guerin: didn't you mean purge kde? |
| 04:57.49 | stoned | doh |
| 04:57.56 | jnguy | no... |
| 04:57.59 | Guerin | wols: overkill. |
| 04:58.12 | jetscreamer | i could paste nv.run.. muhahahaha |
| 04:58.17 | wols | yes, that's what kde is :) |
| 04:58.21 | jnguy | Guerin: How can it be a kdm issue if he can't do a startx from commandline. |
| 04:58.24 | stoned | dude.. kde is fine |
| 04:58.28 | Stevie-O | Guerin: apt-get remove --purge kdm? |
| 04:58.29 | stoned | unless you're on sid atm |
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| 04:58.42 | jnguy | dpkg --purge |
| 04:58.45 | wols | stoned: he runs testing/unstable or so he says |
| 04:58.55 | stoned | Stevie-O: why not use nvidia binary drivers? |
| 04:58.56 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: either fix kde, or figure out how to get the nvidia 3d driver going.. you should be using the nv driver for now btw |
| 04:58.59 | Stevie-O | *** 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-5 0 |
| 04:59.00 | jnguy | wols: I love that everything he says is taken with agrain of salt now. |
| 04:59.01 | Guerin | dpkg, no qotd143 is < stoned> jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
| 04:59.01 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:59.07 | Stevie-O | apt-cache policy on kdm |
| 04:59.31 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: nv instead of vesa |
| 04:59.36 | Guerin | Stevie-O: yeah. You may have stupidness from aptitude |
| 04:59.47 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 04:59.47 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 04:59.53 | stoned | Stevie-O: and if using nvidia binary drivers, then why don't you unload DRI module in xorg.conf `nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf | push F6|type DRI|comment out the DRI line| same wiht GLCore| save|exit` |
| 05:00.02 | Guerin | stoned: he's not. |
| 05:00.15 | stoned | s/and if/ while using* |
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| 05:00.27 | Stevie-O | I'm using the VESA so I'm *not* dealing with the mess of nvidia binary drivers |
| 05:00.35 | stoned | Stevie-O: then you're a tool |
| 05:00.38 | stoned | im sorry. |
| 05:00.42 | jnguy | nvidia binary drivers can hardly be considered a mess. |
| 05:00.47 | jnguy | infact, I prefer it. |
| 05:01.00 | stoned | vesa is a piece of shit if anything |
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| 05:01.22 | stoned | you don't wanna do as your told so i dont think anyone is going to try and help you anymore |
| 05:01.29 | stoned | at least i'm not |
| 05:01.34 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.35 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:01.44 | maddash | I don't? |
| 05:01.45 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: nv instead of vesa |
| 05:01.47 | stoned | ok i thought i was lagging.. my monolog went on |
| 05:01.51 | jetscreamer | nvidia instead of nv |
| 05:01.57 | Stevie-O | uh |
| 05:02.01 | Stevie-O | so nvidia instead of vesa? |
| 05:02.03 | Peacimowen | nv is easy to use if you don't wanna use nvidia |
| 05:02.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:02.10 | jnguy | jetscreamer: nv |
| 05:02.13 | jetscreamer | nv is the easiest |
| 05:02.19 | jnguy | unless you install the nvidia binary drivers. |
| 05:02.23 | stoned | nv==no dri/no3d |
| 05:02.25 | jetscreamer | nvida>nv>vesa i meant |
| 05:02.26 | jnguy | cause nvidia just won't work. |
| 05:02.32 | Stevie-O | (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device |
| 05:02.37 | PingFloyd | I would use nv, that way you get good 2d performance |
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| 05:02.43 | jnguy | stoned: He is using vesa, I doubt he'll mind. |
| 05:02.59 | jetscreamer | you don't tell it to use framebuffer in the drxx with nvidia chipset |
| 05:03.04 | jetscreamer | you just say no |
| 05:03.11 | stoned | if someone put me thorugh this much bullshit i'd kill em and then shoot myself |
| 05:03.32 | stoned | but im not crazy so i won't do that |
| 05:03.34 | stoned | :D |
| 05:03.39 | jnguy | lol |
| 05:03.42 | Stevie-O | bullshit like 'change your video driver so we'll help you fix kdm'? |
| 05:03.50 | jnguy | is it really worth it? |
| 05:03.56 | stoned | Stevie-O: you'r using sid/unstable? |
| 05:03.59 | jnguy | (The killing yourself part, the other is okay) |
| 05:04.00 | PingFloyd | why don't you try it and see |
| 05:04.12 | Stevie-O | a testing/unstable mix, yes |
| 05:04.14 | PingFloyd | you'll get nowhere making assumptions and not doing |
| 05:04.23 | stoned | Stevie-O: unstable is NOT supported here officially |
| 05:04.29 | jetscreamer | omfg |
| 05:04.29 | stoned | 'nuff said. |
| 05:04.32 | stoned | go fix your own problem. |
| 05:04.34 | jnguy | stoned: haha. lame. |
| 05:04.39 | jetscreamer | finally a person i want to ignore |
| 05:04.49 | Peacimowen | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 05:05.00 | PingFloyd | hence why trying a different driver is a good start/test |
| 05:05.13 | stoned | my mule is less stubborn than he is |
| 05:05.14 | stoned | damn |
| 05:05.19 | stoned | and yes, I have a mule. |
| 05:05.20 | PingFloyd | especially when running sid |
| 05:05.24 | Stevie-O | well, I apologize |
| 05:05.24 | stoned | for this joke. |
| 05:05.37 | Stevie-O | after switching to nv, startx works |
| 05:05.47 | jnguy | stoned: your mule doesn't think its smart =) |
| 05:05.49 | Stevie-O | ... although it still gives me the error '(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 05:05.51 | jnguy | it knows it doesn't know anything. |
| 05:05.55 | PingFloyd | imagine that |
| 05:05.56 | jetscreamer | what a guy.. hey hey hey... makes ya cry... hey hey hey... undt, eye deed... mmmmhhh hmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:06.01 | jnguy | HAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 05:06.02 | jnguy | OMFG |
| 05:06.09 | PingFloyd | it's called troubleshooting btw |
| 05:06.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: why does your nickname look shorter to me today? |
| 05:06.23 | jetscreamer | diff rez? |
| 05:06.27 | stoned | no.. |
| 05:06.29 | jetscreamer | font |
| 05:06.29 | stoned | well yeah |
| 05:06.33 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 05:06.34 | stoned | doh |
| 05:06.35 | jetscreamer | it's the sid fonts |
| 05:06.43 | jetscreamer | gravity did something |
| 05:06.52 | PingFloyd | now you know that there is an issue with the version of the x vesa driver with your hardware |
| 05:06.54 | jnguy | Stevie-O: What did you do today, again? |
| 05:06.54 | stoned | Stevie-O: what part of UNSTABLE do you not understand? |
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| 05:07.42 | stoned | UN |
| 05:07.42 | stoned | STABLE |
| 05:07.42 | stoned | . |
| 05:07.43 | jnguy | stoned: everyone knows unstable isn't unstable :) |
| 05:07.43 | Peacimowen | There's a reason untable is called such. |
| 05:07.43 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 05:07.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:07.43 | jetscreamer | stable enough for me |
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| 05:07.43 | stoned | read it |
| 05:07.43 | Stevie-O | yeah, but you wouldn't expect the vesa driver to go through a lot of changes |
| 05:07.43 | stoned | kde is having issues in sid atm |
| 05:07.43 | jetscreamer | my fucking dog won't quit getting under the desk for some reason |
| 05:07.43 | PingFloyd | I've had minimal problems with myself |
| 05:07.43 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 05:07.45 | PingFloyd | with unstable |
| 05:07.51 | jnguy | haha |
| 05:07.54 | jnguy | with yourself eh? |
| 05:07.58 | stoned | can you please not encourage the use of unstable in #debian |
| 05:08.00 | stoned | ? |
| 05:08.13 | Azar | ok we won't use it |
| 05:08.24 | Azar | :) |
| 05:08.26 | Peacimowen | I tried unstable for a while... |
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| 05:08.49 | Stevie-O | I should also note that I have default-release set to 'testing' |
| 05:08.56 | stoned | !sid |
| 05:08.56 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 05:09.01 | Peacimowen | but at some point decided to reinstall, going back to testing. |
| 05:09.07 | PingFloyd | Stevie-O: you mean in apt.conf? |
| 05:09.11 | stoned | testing IS supported here |
| 05:09.13 | Stevie-O | yeah |
| 05:09.17 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 05:09.17 | stoned | however |
| 05:09.18 | jetscreamer | hmmm so i was right but for the wrong reasons... |
| 05:09.24 | Stevie-O | okay, xorg got upgraded to unstable |
| 05:09.25 | PingFloyd | Stevie-O: apt-cache policy |
| 05:09.28 | jnguy | stoned: What the hell does 'supported' mean? |
| 05:09.30 | jetscreamer | oh well whatever works |
| 05:09.33 | Azar | psss jnguy have you seen the inquirer today? |
| 05:09.41 | Stevie-O | xorg got upgraded to unstable. However, KDE is still at testing. |
| 05:09.43 | jnguy | Azar: no, whats up? |
| 05:09.48 | jnguy | I don't read the inquirer. |
| 05:09.52 | Azar | the yesterday's story is there |
| 05:10.00 | jnguy | ah. |
| 05:10.18 | jetscreamer | Stevie-O: i wan't to know what cat /etc/debian_version returns |
| 05:10.19 | Azar | jnguy: "supported" means kissed, groomed, petted.. |
| 05:10.21 | jetscreamer | want |
| 05:10.24 | stoned | jnguy: it means that #debian officially supports stable and testing. If someone is willing to help you with usntable, then that is on them. Unstable is unstable, and as such the debian team officially will not support it in the unofficial debian channel |
| 05:10.26 | jnguy | :) |
| 05:10.38 | jnguy | haha |
| 05:10.41 | Azar | unstable is just like stoned |
| 05:10.51 | Peacimowen | hahah |
| 05:10.53 | stoned | please read the sid faq |
| 05:10.55 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 05:10.55 | dpkg | methinks sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 05:10.57 | Stevie-O | it's 5 letters long? |
| 05:10.57 | jnguy | debian team officially will not support it in _unofficial_ channel. |
| 05:11.00 | PingFloyd | supported pretty much means nothing. Means that if something is unsupported, they can opt to not give a shit, but there's always that option anyway. |
| 05:11.00 | jnguy | :) |
| 05:11.05 | PingFloyd | in voluntary support |
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| 05:11.12 | jnguy | exactly. |
| 05:11.16 | \amethyst | stoned: So debian does officially support stable here? |
| 05:11.31 | stoned | yes |
| 05:11.31 | Guerin | not here |
| 05:11.31 | Guerin | on oftc |
| 05:11.34 | Guerin | irc.debian.org |
| 05:11.35 | stoned | like I said |
| 05:11.36 | jnguy | man |
| 05:11.39 | stoned | this is an unofficla channel |
| 05:11.44 | stoned | Guerin: right |
| 05:11.47 | Guerin | this channel does not exist |
| 05:11.55 | jetscreamer | no, ## means unofficial |
| 05:11.55 | PingFloyd | it's officially supports stables unofficially. |
| 05:11.55 | stoned | we're in the nethervoid |
| 05:11.56 | Peacimowen | There is no spoon. |
| 05:11.57 | jnguy | I don't know who was around yesterday while we were talking about ubuntu, but this last hour has felt like a ubuntu circus :) |
| 05:12.03 | Guerin | jetscreamer: no. |
| 05:12.07 | stoned | jetscreamer: wrong. |
| 05:12.11 | stoned | but right, but wrong. |
| 05:12.17 | jnguy | jetscreamer: ## unofficially means unofficial. |
| 05:12.21 | Azar | tehee party! |
| 05:12.24 | Guerin | jnguy: heh |
| 05:12.27 | Peacimowen | oh, that unbuntu discussion. I watched it. |
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| 05:12.29 | stoned | god morons!!Q!!!!!! |
| 05:12.39 | Peacimowen | ubuntu* |
| 05:12.48 | Azar | let's take our time: abrotman is not here |
| 05:12.55 | jnguy | oh yeah! |
| 05:12.57 | jnguy | I just noticed that. |
| 05:12.58 | \amethyst | I thought ## meant "glue together identifiers"? |
| 05:13.18 | Guerin | it means `this is a comment, i really mean it' |
| 05:13.20 | jnguy | ## is a double negative. It means uncomment that comment :) |
| 05:13.38 | jnguy | Guerin: You use Tex? |
| 05:13.44 | Azar | what if we try !=# ? |
| 05:13.55 | Guerin | jnguy: for skool, yeah. |
| 05:14.17 | jnguy | lol. I just noticed the use of ticks and single quotes, common amongst Tex/LaTeX users :) |
| 05:14.20 | stoned | PingFloyd: ok. you can support people using sid if you want. |
| 05:14.34 | jetscreamer | !tell Stevie-O -about nvidia |
| 05:14.37 | Stevie-O | geh. How do I tell aptitude to forget the things I asked it to upgrade? |
| 05:14.37 | Guerin | jnguy: heh, right |
| 05:14.41 | jnguy | stoned: He abviously does. |
| 05:14.41 | jnguy | *obviously |
| 05:14.44 | PingFloyd | stoned: I do somedays |
| 05:14.53 | Guerin | Azar: ow |
| 05:15.17 | maddash | Stevie-O: "Cancel pending actions" |
| 05:15.20 | stoned | I use unstable, but I don't expect people to help me with it here. |
| 05:15.22 | darweth | Don't 75% of Debian users (for desktops) use Sid? Seems like it be the easiest to get support for. :x |
| 05:15.30 | Stevie-O | ah, there it is. Thanks. |
| 05:15.31 | Azar | ...ofcourse there are other various LaTex things like... errm no not here |
| 05:15.39 | PingFloyd | I don't expect anyone to help me no matter what I run |
| 05:15.49 | Guerin | darweth: if they do, they're really good, because we hardly see any here |
| 05:15.50 | jnguy | I hope that people will help me. |
| 05:15.52 | Azar | yes stoned, I can help you with it if you move here in California |
| 05:15.58 | PingFloyd | especially when it comes to irc |
| 05:16.00 | jnguy | Azar: where in Cali? |
| 05:16.06 | Azar | Los Angeles |
| 05:16.08 | stoned | PingFloyd: you have absolutely no clue.. shush. |
| 05:16.11 | jnguy | yuck :( |
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| 05:16.20 | jnguy | :) |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | i support unstable, but only for people with clue |
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| 05:16.40 | Peacimowen | Is there any real difference besides status (official/unofficial) betwen this #debian and the other? |
| 05:16.53 | stoned | Peacimowen: this channel is almost twice as big? |
| 05:16.55 | Guerin | Peacimowen: that's a question of content. |
| 05:16.58 | PingFloyd | stoned: clue about what? All the noobs running unstable coming in here you mean? |
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| 05:17.16 | Peacimowen | I see. |
| 05:17.22 | stoned | PingFloyd: hey if you want to support unstable, thats on your head. |
| 05:17.34 | PingFloyd | stoned: nothing is on anyone's head |
| 05:17.38 | jnguy | stoned: It obviously is... once again. |
| 05:17.54 | stoned | PingFloyd: hey you're right... im wrong. now stfu |
| 05:18.16 | Azar | stoned: I was only three month old newbie at Debian and linux and I drived sid.... well it went ok until it died, a gentoo user was mentoring me :) |
| 05:18.25 | Peacimowen | stoned: Actually, this one's MORE than twice as big, not almost. |
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| 05:18.29 | PingFloyd | stoned: I don't see any reason to be a prick |
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| 05:18.45 | darweth | I use Arch LInux. I've thought about Debian Sid, but it seems like more work for a bleeding edge up to date system than Arch. |
| 05:18.54 | Peacimowen | 705 here vs 292 there at the moment. |
| 05:18.54 | Azar | PingFloyd: stoned is NOT a prick! he is just unstable |
| 05:19.06 | PingFloyd | Azar: don't know what his problem is |
| 05:19.13 | exobyte | I have two networks (different subnets) with windows machines connected by linux routers. If I make iptables rules that forward ports 137-139 between networks, will the "fun" windows network autodetection features work? |
| 05:21.11 | Guerin | exobyte: only you can answer this question. |
| 05:21.11 | stoned | PingFloyd: hey if you want the headache of supporting noobs running sid cuz stable is too old then be my guest |
| 05:21.11 | stoned | its on your head. you enjoy pain, go for it. |
| 05:21.11 | PingFloyd | stoned: I don't care what people run |
| 05:21.12 | exobyte | Guerin: because I'm the only one on #debian with a windows machine? |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | PingFloyd: and I said so what, do wha tyou want |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | why the fuck do you keep talking tome about it moe? |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | now? |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | just let it fucking go |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | doamn |
| 05:21.12 | stoned | goddamn man |
| 05:21.12 | Guerin | exobyte: something like that |
| 05:21.13 | Azar | pst relax people! |
| 05:21.13 | jnguy | stoned: Chill out dude. And everyone, just let it go. |
| 05:21.13 | darweth | stoned: Will you be my Sid mentor if I switch from Arch>? |
| 05:21.13 | darweth | ? |
| 05:21.13 | jnguy | HAHAHAHAAHAHA |
| 05:21.13 | maddash | stoned: chill. |
| 05:21.16 | stoned | maddash: debian if full of morons today |
| 05:21.18 | stoned | I swear to god |
| 05:21.39 | Azar | stoned: shaddap man we loze our customers! |
| 05:21.52 | maddash | stoned: then join #ubuntu, and you'll stop taking #debian idiots for granted. |
| 05:21.58 | jnguy | maddash: HAHA. |
| 05:22.18 | jnguy | truth. |
| 05:22.27 | Peacimowen | more of them over there? |
| 05:22.32 | Azar | maddash, I have a burning question everytime I see your nick around... |
| 05:22.42 | stoned | maddash: this is nothing to do with me. don't get on my neck because I am trying to to push stable instead of unstable. im not going to waste my time helping some dumb cunt running sid while he knows nothing of what is going on |
| 05:22.42 | Azar | maddash: are you the one running Debian News? |
| 05:22.53 | stoned | maddash: if you or someone else is on sid and they ask a question i'll gladly help |
| 05:23.08 | maddash | stoned: just /ignore. :). |
| 05:23.08 | Guerin | stoned: dude. Like.... y'knoow? |
| 05:23.13 | maddash | Azar: heh, I wish. |
| 05:23.17 | stoned | Guerin: wtf is with these idiots |
| 05:23.19 | stoned | i swear to god |
| 05:23.28 | stoned | fuck it i'm out |
| 05:23.39 | jnguy | stoned: adios. Thank you, come again =) |
| 05:23.46 | stoned | blow me. |
| 05:23.47 | Azar | ok stoned you can put it more nicely: disclaimer: use sid version of Debian at your own risk |
| 05:23.48 | darweth | Why is #debian so hostile? Everyone in #slackware is passive and peaceful. |
| 05:23.56 | darweth | This channel is ruining Debian's image! |
| 05:24.02 | jnguy | cause its called slackware! |
| 05:24.07 | Peacimowen | 'cause they're a bunch of slack-ers over there. |
| 05:24.07 | Azar | darweth: it is not, just a crazy night .. stoned is in bad mood |
| 05:24.26 | jnguy | yeah. stoned is giving off bad vibes. |
| 05:24.26 | Guerin | darweth: it's not ruining it, it's *enforcing* it |
| 05:24.30 | Azar | rahul: where are you? |
| 05:24.39 | Guerin | he is uncommonly testy this eve |
| 05:24.52 | stoned | Azar: dude.. i know wer'e buddies, but im about this close to losing it and telling you to stfu too |
| 05:24.55 | stoned | don't push me |
| 05:25.01 | Guerin | ooo |
| 05:25.16 | stoned | i implore you |
| 05:25.19 | Guerin | !qotd143 |
| 05:25.19 | dpkg | somebody said qotd143 was < stoned> jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
| 05:25.20 | Azar | stoned: you know I really appreciate you... and I want to see your smiley |
| 05:25.29 | darweth | maddash: nice !package management |
| 05:25.30 | stoned | Azar: I smile for you man :) |
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| 05:25.39 | Peacimowen | stoned needs to get stoned. |
| 05:25.43 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 05:25.44 | jnguy | awww. group hug moment? |
| 05:25.54 | maddash | darweth: heh. that was genuine curiosity. |
| 05:26.02 | Azar | yep, rahul is missing this.. |
| 05:26.07 | Stevie-O | is it just me, or does aptitude not like to honor my 'default version' option in apt.conf |
| 05:26.21 | Azar | Stevie-O: and which one is that? |
| 05:26.38 | Stevie-O | Testing |
| 05:26.45 | Azar | Stevie-O: use "lenny" |
| 05:26.57 | Azar | sexy name too.... can't wait |
| 05:27.03 | Stevie-O | wait |
| 05:27.07 | Stevie-O | which character was lenny? |
| 05:27.12 | jnguy | fat kid? |
| 05:27.13 | Azar | the binoculars |
| 05:27.15 | Stevie-O | all I can picture is the dope on the Simpsons |
| 05:27.26 | jnguy | nevermind. |
| 05:27.31 | Stevie-O | really? heh |
| 05:27.34 | jnguy | lenny just sounds like a fat kid. |
| 05:27.37 | Azar | the fat kid is sid |
| 05:27.43 | Guerin | sid was not fat |
| 05:27.50 | Azar | to me looked fat |
| 05:27.50 | Guerin | sid was wiry and mean |
| 05:28.08 | Azar | yeah maybe fat kids are the simpsons' |
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| 05:28.18 | Alternati | http://blog.levhita.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/ubuntu-logo.jpg |
| 05:28.30 | Azar | don't spam |
| 05:28.41 | Alternati | did i spam? |
| 05:28.45 | Guerin | Alternati: yes. |
| 05:29.01 | Azar | you entered like a spam bot |
| 05:29.05 | Guerin | we've all seen the Arse Pic a hundred times |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | this is crazy |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | I'm on the net right now |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | but i cant ping my router |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | 90% packet loss |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | i can't even get into the router config |
| 05:29.08 | stoned | !ping |
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| 05:29.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:29.17 | Alternati | !ping |
| 05:29.23 | Alternati | i have never seen that photo before lol |
| 05:29.30 | Alternati | i thought i was being innovative posting it |
| 05:29.38 | Alternati | !ping |
| 05:29.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:29.38 | Guerin | in #debian? |
| 05:29.44 | Peacimowen | ... |
| 05:29.45 | Alternati | huh? |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | Alternati: that makes you a fuckwit. |
| 05:29.48 | Alternati | YEWS IN DEBIAN |
| 05:29.49 | jzu | Aynone got Blizzard/DCE 1260 Turbo-board for Amiga 1200? |
| 05:29.56 | Peacimowen | I aguree with Guerin |
| 05:30.02 | maddash | whoa...was that...female bottom? |
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| 05:30.19 | Alternati | linux is a game |
| 05:30.21 | Azar | see? that why I don't look at pics from strangers... |
| 05:30.29 | stoned | my routers are going nuts |
| 05:30.31 | Alternati | everyday you spend hours to get something simple to work |
| 05:30.32 | Guerin | jzu: yeah. It's at ftp://127.0.0.1/old/amiga/DCE1260 |
| 05:30.33 | Azar | mom told me not to |
| 05:30.43 | Alternati | LINUX IS A GAME OF CAT AND DOG |
| 05:30.46 | Alternati | IM HIGH IM HIGH |
| 05:30.50 | Alternati | I SMOKED DOPE |
| 05:30.59 | jzu | Guerin: ;) |
| 05:31.01 | Azar | yeah I was about to call in the ops |
| 05:31.02 | Guerin | if your dope did this to you |
| 05:31.04 | sep | Alternati, we can tell |
| 05:31.12 | Guerin | take it back, ask them for the shit which doesn't make you stupid |
| 05:31.15 | \amethyst | Alternati: apparently you are a lightweight when it comes to the dope |
| 05:31.24 | Alternati | its good to be a lightweight |
| 05:31.25 | Alternati | :) |
| 05:31.31 | Alternati | i go on better trips than you |
| 05:31.40 | \amethyst | it seems :) |
| 05:31.51 | Alternati | doubt it |
| 05:31.58 | Guerin | oh yeah |
| 05:32.06 | Alternati | tell me |
| 05:32.07 | Alternati | :) |
| 05:32.08 | maddash | Alternati: that's 'cause he's married. |
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| 05:32.19 | Peacimowen | This one out of the channel. |
| 05:32.35 | Alternati | i often smoke weed and stand on my head on the couch and watch dr. phil |
| 05:32.36 | Alternati | lol |
| 05:32.43 | Alternati | dunoo how i end up on my head |
| 05:32.46 | Guerin | WTF |
| 05:32.52 | Azar | ok I give up, what up with abrotman? strange not to see him here all day |
| 05:33.05 | Alternati | i fidget and then after a while i end up upside down on my head sort of |
| 05:33.08 | Peacimowen | Maybe he got a life? |
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| 05:33.10 | Guerin | Azar: he might be in WisconSIN |
| 05:33.11 | Alternati | watching something stupid on tv |
| 05:33.20 | Azar | ahhhhhhh I see, va ca tion |
| 05:33.43 | Azar | ok ok guys #soapchat please.. |
| 05:33.48 | stoned | wireless blows donkey balls |
| 05:33.50 | Guerin | damned if I know why he always goes to SIN for his holidays. I mean, his folks live up there, but still... |
| 05:33.52 | Alternati | i watched an infomercial where they show rich people and shit and i thought i was in hawaii |
| 05:33.56 | linux_jones | should i have autoconf? |
| 05:34.01 | Alternati | cuz they kept showing some rich dude in a house on a beach |
| 05:34.01 | Alternati | lol |
| 05:34.05 | stoned | linux_jones: for what? |
| 05:34.09 | Guerin | linux_jones: if you plan on building anything, yes |
| 05:34.13 | Azar | stoned: exactly my feelings too.... wireless:400mhz cordless phone |
| 05:34.29 | Alternati | stoned lol |
| 05:34.30 | stoned | Azar: linksys sucks too |
| 05:34.32 | Alternati | do you twitch when ur high? |
| 05:34.43 | Azar | stoned: been there too... indeeds |
| 05:34.45 | stoned | welcome to ignore Alternati |
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| 05:34.53 | Alternati | welcome to my cock stoned |
| 05:34.56 | Guerin | !ur |
| 05:34.56 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 05:35.01 | linux_jones | is there a package that has that and libtools and whatnot? or do i have to aptget them all seperately? |
| 05:35.04 | Alternati | !windows |
| 05:35.04 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 05:35.07 | Azar | !ops Alternati trolls |
| 05:35.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: azar complains about: Alternati trolls |
| 05:35.12 | stoned | Alternati: wow, i knew you were a fag... now its been confirmed |
| 05:35.16 | Guerin | linux_jones: try build-essential |
| 05:35.21 | stoned | !b-e |
| 05:35.22 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:35.27 | Alternati | !gcc++ |
| 05:35.31 | peterS | Alternati: cut it out |
| 05:35.31 | Alternati | !ddos |
| 05:35.31 | dpkg | i heard ddos is Distributed Denial of Service, or http://grc.com/dos/grcdos.htm, or see slashdot.org |
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| 05:35.33 | jnguy | mmmk. okay. I still have work to do. adios all. |
| 05:35.41 | Azar | thank you LoRez |
| 05:35.41 | maddash | wtf is "gcc++"? |
| 05:35.42 | Guerin | p`subtle. Real subtle. |
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| 05:35.53 | maddash | [sigh] |
| 05:35.54 | stoned | peterS: if you make it go away i give you a beer ;) |
| 05:36.04 | Guerin | a virtual #debian beer |
| 05:36.05 | stoned | peterS: it wants to troll |
| 05:36.11 | peterS | stoned: LoRez had slightly less patience than I did (: |
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| 05:36.18 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:36.19 | jnguy | hm? |
| 05:36.20 | peterS | slightly. |
| 05:36.20 | maddash | LoRez: heh. |
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| 05:36.45 | stoned | peterS: oh i didn't see.. I have /ignores set on join/part/quit/mode/nick etc. etc. |
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| 05:37.18 | cplx | hey guys i run a master DNS server and we have a slave dns server running off it, how do i force DNS records to update the slave dns server? whats the command? |
| 05:37.31 | Peacimowen | lol |
| 05:37.32 | cplx | i've done a rncd reload already |
| 05:37.58 | Azar | good night honorables been a blast!:) |
| 05:38.01 | peterS | cplx: for one thing you have to update the 'serial' field of the SOA record of the zone you have changed |
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| 05:38.11 | peterS | cplx: if you don't do that, slaves will check the serial and decide they are already up to date |
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| 05:38.30 | peterS | cplx: serial just needs to increase each time you need slaves to notice an update, its exact value is not important |
| 05:38.33 | linux_jones | what if it says build -essential is already the newest version? |
| 05:38.39 | Stevie-O | hrm |
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| 05:38.44 | stoned | linux_jones: what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:38.51 | Stevie-O | I found an interesting page on a flaw in how APT::Default-Release works |
| 05:38.53 | Guerin | linux_jones: then just install things as you need them |
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| 05:39.11 | Guerin | linux_jones: you could use auto-apt, but there's not much to it. |
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| 05:40.00 | stoned | !ping |
| 05:40.01 | dpkg | pong |
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| 05:40.08 | Peacimowen | well... That's getting annoying... |
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| 05:40.18 | jeremyb | maybe he doesn't understand |
| 05:40.35 | Peacimowen | I guess not. |
| 05:40.38 | peterS | hmmm. it is getting annoying. |
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| 05:40.39 | stoned | maye you can just type /ignore stoned |
| 05:40.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 05:40.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip72-221-66-193.ri.ri.cox.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:40.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: take off the +q while you're in there |
| 05:40.54 | stoned | my routers are going crazy |
| 05:40.56 | jeremyb | stoned: why stoned? |
| 05:41.12 | stoned | jeremyb: cuz i have to do !ping |
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| 05:41.31 | \amethyst | stoned: they're talking abotu Alternati repeatedly joining/parting |
| 05:41.34 | jeremyb | stoned: that's not what was annoying :P |
| 05:41.35 | stoned | i reboot my routers, it works for 5 minutes, then i get 90% packet loss again and again |
| 05:41.44 | Stevie-O | what's the router's video chipset? ;) |
| 05:41.45 | cplx | peterS: that's all that needs to be changed? the esrial? |
| 05:41.45 | stoned | jeremyb: oh.. I got join/part on ignore |
| 05:42.07 | peterS | cplx: that is what the serial field of the SOA record is _for_. for telling other people whether they've got an up-to-date copy of the zone. |
| 05:42.08 | jeremyb | stoned: what about chanmode? |
| 05:42.09 | stoned | i cant figure out the problem.. if its the wifi or the net |
| 05:42.13 | stoned | jeremyb: those too |
| 05:42.27 | jeremyb | ok... why? |
| 05:42.34 | stoned | CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS MODES NICKS CLIENTCRAP |
| 05:42.44 | stoned | jeremyb: so i can see nothing but people talk in channel |
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| 05:43.30 | jeremyb | then how do you know when someone shows up or avoid talking to someone that's not present? |
| 05:43.36 | peterS | cplx: beyond that - when you reload the master DNS server it _should_ notify all its slaves that the zone has been changed (it tells them the new serial). for this to work, of course, the master has to know who all its slaves are |
| 05:43.53 | stoned | its more readable for me and i can easily follow conersations in a heavy traffic channel like #debian |
| 05:43.53 | stoned | it meakes it easy for me to help people |
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| 05:44.04 | stoned | Lag: 34.97 |
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| 05:44.06 | stoned | jeez man |
| 05:44.23 | stoned | !ping |
| 05:44.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:44.36 | stoned | screw this.. goodnight people im going to bed |
| 05:44.42 | jeremyb | nn |
| 05:44.54 | peterS | jeremyb: the thing is, an awful lot of us just idle in here 24/7 so if stoned wants to avoid us he can't do it by watching join/part messages anyway (: |
| 05:45.16 | Peacimowen | stoned: Know how to disable that for specific channels? |
| 05:45.30 | peterS | Peacimowen: that would depend on your IRC client |
| 05:45.31 | stoned | i have not left yet |
| 05:45.34 | stoned | irssi i use |
| 05:45.35 | jeremyb | peterS: i didn't say anything about avoiding people |
| 05:45.37 | stoned | i dunno bout you |
| 05:45.37 | Peacimowen | irssi |
| 05:45.41 | jeremyb | and i figured most idle all the time |
| 05:45.44 | stoned | Peacimowen: read the documentation |
| 05:45.48 | stoned | Peacimowen: /help ignore |
| 05:46.12 | jeremyb | -channels |
| 05:46.23 | peterS | jeremyb: oh, true, I misread you. anyway, I generally just use tab completion for that purpose - my IRC client lets me type part of someone's nick then hit tab. if the person is present in the channel it will complete their nick correctly, if not it won't |
| 05:46.42 | stoned | peterS: really? omg |
| 05:46.44 | stoned | :) |
| 05:46.58 | jeremyb | right |
| 05:47.00 | Guerin | Stevie-O: still doesn't work properly, though |
| 05:47.07 | Guerin | stoned: ↑ |
| 05:47.12 | jeremyb | idk, i prefer with the crap |
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| 05:47.17 | stoned | Guerin: what doesn't work? |
| 05:47.23 | Guerin | ... |
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| 05:47.31 | jeremyb | would be nice if i could change stuff like that on the fly and then change it back after scanning the other view |
| 05:47.33 | Guerin | the tabcompletions ow |
| 05:47.39 | stoned | Stevie-O does't work? maybe he ought to get a job |
| 05:47.43 | cafuego | feh |
| 05:47.48 | Guerin | stoned: watch out, there's a recursive joke about |
| 05:47.51 | markc | is there an "offical" method (URL?) to get a lowlat kernel ? |
| 05:48.08 | stoned | lowlat? i'v enever heard that term before |
| 05:48.12 | Peacimowen | stoned: oh, fine. I was hoping for the easy answer. Of course I know this is the wrong place to be asking someone to TELL you how to do something so simple... :P |
| 05:48.15 | Guerin | markc: if you need one, it's unlikely you need a howto |
| 05:48.16 | maddash | a lowfat kernel, you mean? |
| 05:48.27 | Guerin | low-latency, for real-time stuff |
| 05:48.33 | markc | stoned: realtime low latency kernel... uhum, like ubuntu is currently offering |
| 05:48.35 | Guerin | or almost real-time |
| 05:48.39 | stoned | Peacimowen: dude.. irssi.org read the fucking docs... tips & tricks |
| 05:48.53 | Peacimowen | I know WHERE to look. I'm being lazy tonight. |
| 05:48.55 | stoned | Peacimowen: im not gonna spoonfeed you ok bro |
| 05:49.01 | markc | Guerin: what do you mean, I want to use JACK |
| 05:49.09 | Guerin | graah |
| 05:49.22 | stoned | markc: ahhh |
| 05:49.28 | stoned | markc: i'll have to read up on that one |
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| 05:49.40 | stoned | feed* not fead :) |
| 05:49.40 | jeremyb | and irssi.org doesn't have docs :P |
| 05:49.53 | jeremyb | stoned: yeah :) |
| 05:49.57 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, the problem is that I'm on a really crappy wireless network |
| 05:50.04 | jeremyb | Peacimowen: -channels |
| 05:50.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:50.13 | stoned | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/tips |
| 05:50.27 | stoned | anti annoyance filters ;) |
| 05:50.40 | markc | so, there is no debian package to help with a lowlat kernel ? |
| 05:50.41 | stoned | "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS" |
| 05:50.42 | stoned | "/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 -regexp -pattern (away|gone|back|playin|weg|wech|returned) * ACTIONS" |
| 05:50.47 | Guerin | markc: nope. |
| 05:50.52 | stoned | happy? |
| 05:50.59 | stoned | there is also #irssi |
| 05:50.59 | Guerin | markc: the ubuntu kernel might work |
| 05:51.00 | markc | wow, me gobsmacked |
| 05:51.14 | Guerin | markc: but nobody will support you if you install it |
| 05:51.18 | Guerin | markc: why? |
| 05:51.24 | stoned | dondelelcaro: dude.. my wifi is more crap than yours I guarantee it |
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| 05:51.59 | markc | Guerin: yeah, or 64studio.. amazing, obviously debian isn;t used for serious audio work... interesting |
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| 05:52.05 | Guerin | markc: lowlat is something for hard-core geeks. they normally don't think twice about grabbing a source and patches and building their own |
| 05:52.11 | Nyle | peterS: man that SMC game I been working on for two weeks, packaging, working out bugs, depends.. and all that.. I just found out yesterday, the maintainer of libcegui already uploaded it to ftp master like 2 days ago |
| 05:52.18 | Nyle | wtf just happened |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | markc: debian isn't really customised for *any* given function |
| 05:52.29 | peterS | oh well (: |
| 05:52.44 | Guerin | there's no minimal kernel for a firewall, for instance |
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| 05:52.57 | stoned | peterS: :) but i really wanted to maintain that game |
| 05:53.10 | markc | Guerin: all I can say is no wonder so many folks are opting for the likes of ubuntu, even Dell |
| 05:53.11 | stoned | peterS: that was like my project, I was a bit.. actually i was really upset when i found this out |
| 05:53.20 | peterS | stoned: what can I say - study the other guy's packaging, see if you can learn anything from what he did different from what you did |
| 05:53.25 | Guerin | markc: `so many' people use low-latency. |
| 05:53.35 | Guerin | markc: probably several thousand IN THE WORLD |
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| 05:53.41 | peterS | stoned: and like if you think you understand what he's got going on, offer to help - sometimes people are glad to team-maintain stuff |
| 05:53.51 | stoned | peterS: now im so turned off i don't even wanna think about it.. the more i do, undoubtedly i'll get more pissed |
| 05:53.57 | linux_jones | is there anything i can kill in ps aux to speed up my system a little bit? |
| 05:54.04 | markc | Guerin: and a good deal less because it's not readily available |
| 05:54.14 | stoned | peterS: im gonna chill for a few days or weeks |
| 05:54.20 | cafuego | linux_jones: `init |
| 05:54.29 | cafuego | ' and all processes it has spawned... |
| 05:54.36 | peterS | stoned: I'm sorry it came to that - did you file an ITP before you got too deep in? if so, he shouldn't have hijacked it. if not ... well, that's why ITPs exist |
| 05:54.37 | cafuego | DISCLAIMER: DON'T!!! |
| 05:54.37 | sep | linux_jones, it makes no sense to kill processes. you shuold rather stop them in the intended way. and perhaps uninstall them if tehy are realy not needed |
| 05:54.38 | Guerin | markc: yeah. But it's still half of fuck-all. |
| 05:54.57 | Guerin | cafuego: heh |
| 05:54.57 | stoned | peterS: no i didn't unfortunately |
| 05:55.03 | cafuego | linux_jones: Check with 'top' to see if anything it eating a lot of cpu or ram. |
| 05:55.42 | markc | Guerin: yes, as in a lot less than there could be because it's not readily available |
| 05:55.56 | Guerin | markc: no, not really. |
| 05:56.04 | linux_jones | why cant apt-get find glib? |
| 05:56.13 | sep | linux_jones, and ofcourse it's compleatly imopssible to asnwer that without knowing the output of your ps aux, and without knowing what you need. |
| 05:56.13 | sep | linux_jones, so basicaly the only one qualified to determine what you need is... you ! |
| 05:56.24 | Guerin | markc: that's my point: low-lat wouldn't exactly be the feature you went for if you wanted to be popular |
| 05:56.33 | \amethyst | linux_jones: libglib2.0-0 ? |
| 05:56.34 | stoned | peterS: i'll see if i can talk to him about it after I learn about how/what he is doing |
| 05:56.37 | \amethyst | oop |
| 05:56.41 | Guerin | linux_jones: because apt-get isn't a finder |
| 05:56.42 | peterS | stoned: yeah |
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| 05:57.00 | markc | Guerin: I don't happen to agree with you... s'ok, you are welcome to your opinion |
| 05:57.08 | Guerin | why, thank you |
| 05:57.12 | stoned | peterS: I'm trying to find out because game uses libcegui, which in turn uses libxerces under apache2.0 lisence, while the game is under gpl2.0 and how he got that into debian is beyond me |
| 05:57.25 | stoned | peterS: unless he compiled cegui with libxml or tinyxml support |
| 05:57.29 | markc | Guerin: thank you for the thank you |
| 05:57.44 | stoned | peterS: afaik apache2.0/gpl2.0 linked are not compatable, but seperatly they can be ok |
| 05:57.49 | Guerin | markc: recurse() |
| 05:57.51 | stoned | peterS: with dfsg I mean |
| 05:57.54 | peterS | stoned: indirect dependencies and GPL transitivity isn't something everyone will notice |
| 05:57.57 | maddash | markc: i use 2.6.17 + rtai 3.4 |
| 05:58.09 | cafuego | stoned: you're saying apache isn't alolowed to use libc? |
| 05:58.14 | stoned | peterS: plus there are 17 sound files in the game which are copyrighted by a game called `badboy` |
| 05:58.21 | peterS | cafuego: fortunately libc is LGPL |
| 05:58.23 | markc | maddash: ah! thank you for the clue |
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| 05:58.34 | maddash | markc: hardware is usually the bigger factor at lowering latency, though |
| 05:58.36 | stoned | peterS: those 17 sound files are NOT gpl or opensource or public domain |
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| 05:58.50 | stoned | peterS: i spoke with the upstread developers and they are trying to find free sounds to use |
| 05:58.58 | stoned | peterS: i don't see how this package will be accepted into debian |
| 05:58.59 | maddash | markc: wiki.linuxcnc.org |
| 05:59.00 | peterS | stoned: see there's your opening. you figure out whether those sound files are still in the package that was uploaded, and you explain the matter |
| 05:59.08 | markc | maddash: sure, but without a jackd -R there is not much hope |
| 05:59.09 | stoned | peterS: i see |
| 06:00.07 | peterS | stoned: what's the package called? has it been accepted into debian already, or is it in the NEW queue? |
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| 06:00.59 | peterS | stoned: oh, smc - yeah, still listed in http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 06:01.18 | peterS | which means the ftpmasters still have to manually approve it, which they will not do if they notice the license problems |
| 06:01.20 | stoned | peterS: some dude named mauammer al khatib or whatever |
| 06:01.34 | stoned | peterS: I must find out tomorrow what he did with the sound files |
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| 06:01.49 | stoned | peterS: because the lead developer of the game told me they are copyrigted by `badboy` |
| 06:01.59 | peterS | stoned: yeah, I was going to suggest downloading the source package from debian, but since it is in the NEW queue you can't do that, you'll have to get it directly from this guy or whatever |
| 06:02.37 | stoned | any pete man bro im gonna go to bed after i suck this cancer stick down |
| 06:02.40 | stoned | have a good one man |
| 06:02.43 | stoned | im out |
| 06:02.56 | stoned | anyway* |
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| 06:03.44 | peterS | you too, stoned |
| 06:04.02 | peterS | jeremyb: I'm sure it's a cigarette. what you should be asking is what is in the cigarette |
| 06:04.26 | peterS | actually I'm kidding, he claims he hasn't toked for some time now |
| 06:04.30 | jeremyb | peterS: well most people don't use cigarette to refer to anything besides tobacco |
| 06:04.40 | stoned | 2.5 months |
| 06:04.46 | stoned | bye now *away* |
| 06:05.50 | sep | jeremyb, how can you know you dont love them then ? |
| 06:05.53 | jeremyb | fortunately don't know too many smokers |
| 06:06.31 | jeremyb | sep: i hate the smoke's taste and smell and there's no way to smoke without tasting and smelling it afaik... |
| 06:07.27 | Peacimowen | Get enough second-hand smoke to know.. |
| 06:07.54 | Dewi | somebody gave me nicotine gum at a party last week |
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| 06:08.13 | jeremyb | Dewi: do you smoke? |
| 06:08.15 | Dewi | you can't abuse alcohol all the time, after all |
| 06:08.15 | Peacimowen | O_o |
| 06:08.18 | Dewi | god it tasted bad |
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| 06:08.29 | Dewi | felt like my throat was about to crawl out |
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| 06:08.37 | Dewi | jeremyb: never |
| 06:08.56 | jeremyb | sounds like what i'd imagine smoking to feel like... |
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| 06:09.25 | Dewi | jeremyb: it really did, which was surprising since it's meant to just be a pseudo-harmless pharmaceutical version |
| 06:09.26 | Peacimowen | We're all too geeky to smoke. :P |
| 06:09.33 | Dewi | jeremyb: I didn't expect any like... effects |
| 06:09.54 | Dewi | jeremyb: I was probably too drunk to really say what mental effects it had |
| 06:10.04 | sep | Dewi, hmm what strange twitching of the eye you have developed.... |
| 06:10.12 | jeremyb | Dewi: so... why'd you try it? :P |
| 06:10.15 | BUMBACL0T | is it possible for a user to have more than 1 home directory? |
| 06:10.25 | jeremyb | no |
| 06:10.29 | jeremyb | (right?) |
| 06:10.32 | \amethyst | BUMBACL0T: no, but perhaps you can explain what you want to do |
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| 06:10.43 | Dewi | jeremyb: I'd try anything once if it was safe enough to be available off the shelf at a pharmacy |
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| 06:11.15 | jeremyb | Dewi: really? wow |
| 06:11.26 | jeremyb | Dewi: does it matter which country? |
| 06:11.55 | Dewi | jeremyb: hahaha |
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| 06:11.56 | Peacimowen | I won't try anything off the shelf.. in fact, I'd rather avoid if at all possible. |
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| 06:12.48 | Dewi | jeremyb: I live in Australia, and I don't subscribe to too many conspiracy theories. Well maybe a few. |
| 06:13.08 | cafuego | Dewi: John Howard is a puppet. |
| 06:13.12 | sep | especialy if it's ina pharmacy. that means it's made by people that make money of peoples sickness. so their goods are probably riddled with "spyware" making you more ill in other ways when you heal one illness. |
| 06:13.19 | Dewi | jeremyb: don't like psychiatric drugs too much |
| 06:13.28 | cafuego | an evil chucky-like puppet |
| 06:13.44 | Dewi | cafuego: he's worse than blair but a lot better than bush |
| 06:13.51 | Dewi | cafuego: where do you live again? :) |
| 06:13.52 | sep | it's not in their best interest to make people well. only to make them well for a week at most. ;) |
| 06:13.57 | cafuego | Dewi: melbourne |
| 06:14.02 | Dewi | cafuego: aah |
| 06:14.03 | peterS | what a continuum |
| 06:14.08 | peterS | but can you continue this somewhere else? |
| 06:14.09 | Peacimowen | I'm the type of person who won't take any drugs if he can avoid it. Legal ones only on doctor's orders... and even then... I'd rather an alternative. |
| 06:14.25 | cafuego | peterS is an evil chucky-like puttet. |
| 06:14.25 | Dewi | peterS: how about not at all? :) I should get back to work |
| 06:14.36 | Peacimowen | yeah.. |
| 06:14.40 | peterS | the drugs, the drug laws, John Howard, they can all get talked about elsewhere |
| 06:15.14 | Dewi | peterS: I already work for an extremist political publication... I'd really rather not :) |
| 06:15.47 | Peacimowen | ow? |
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| 06:16.33 | peterS | oh ... that wasn't supposed to hurt, it was supposed to draw your chi away as a distraction |
| 06:17.07 | Peacimowen | oh. |
| 06:17.07 | jeremyb | Dewi: what do consipiracy theories have to do with anything? |
| 06:17.10 | Peacimowen | Don |
| 06:17.13 | Peacimowen | Don't do that. |
| 06:18.04 | jeremyb | peterS: wouldn't Peacimowen be the best judge of whether it hurt? |
| 06:18.24 | peterS | jeremyb: yeah, apparently my acupuncture skills suck, I used the wrong sort of stabbing motion |
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| 06:18.33 | jeremyb | ohhh |
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| 06:30.34 | maddash | !hi |
| 06:30.34 | dpkg | hello, maddash |
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| 06:31.36 | dpkg | somebody said dosemu was a DOS emulator for Linux. If you X, graphical DOS programs will be much easier to run than if you set up dosemu to do graphics at the console. Dosemu is kind of buggy and doesn't play games well |
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| 06:35.53 | liable | wheres that lazy bot gone! |
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| 06:36.49 | tuvwxyz | is there a gnome program that can burn in udf format? |
| 06:37.02 | Catcher | ×î âû ïàðèòå? |
| 06:37.07 | Catcher | Îëóõè. |
| 06:37.16 | aidan | I want to low-level format my hda (it's got disk sector errors and other crap), my OS is on hdc, am I fine to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda ... then reinstall my MBR with a live CD? |
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| 06:37.38 | Catcher | Ýé, ïà ðóññêè! |
| 06:37.45 | CaT[tm] | you don't even need a live cd. |
| 06:37.54 | CaT[tm] | wow. catcher's still on dialup |
| 06:38.08 | aidan | CaT[tm]: oh? |
| 06:38.10 | Catcher | Russia! |
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| 06:38.22 | tuvwxyz | aidan, that won't low-level format the disk |
| 06:38.38 | CaT[tm] | aidan: if you're booting off hdc, you can wipe out hda at will and yeah, that wont do a low-level. |
| 06:38.45 | aidan | how do I low level format it? |
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| 06:38.59 | tuvwxyz | aidan, look for a manufacturer tool |
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| 06:40.01 | tuvwxyz | aidan, worst case, if you can't find one, you can run badblocks, e.g. e2fsck -cc or something to check the disk and mark the bad sectors as so |
| 06:40.18 | dexomsrc | So I want as many package from only main as possible so I can have DFSG stuff only. But I want software in the debian-multimedia repository as well,and I don't care about patents. For example I consider LAME to be Free and I have no moral qualms about having and using it. |
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| 06:40.41 | dexomsrc | So my question is how can I tell which packages on the debian-multimedia repo are Free? |
| 06:40.49 | aidan | tuvwxyz: ah, that's probably what I need too, thanks |
| 06:40.59 | dexomsrc | In official Debian repos it's easy to get software that's only in main |
| 06:41.26 | dexomsrc | But at debian-multimedia there's a mix of free and non-free stuff without any division between them |
| 06:42.25 | Dewi | dexomsrc: I would have thought most of it would be non-free, because otherwise it would probably exist in debian |
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| 06:42.40 | Dewi | dexomsrc: I guess there would be a few purely technical considerations as well |
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| 06:43.52 | dexomsrc | Dewi: LAME is LGPLed and it's not in Debian |
| 06:44.30 | Dewi | dexomsrc: probably because you need an MPEG license |
| 06:44.40 | dexomsrc | That's what I mean |
| 06:44.41 | Dewi | dexomsrc: MPEG isn't Free |
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| 06:45.30 | liable | its not the program, its the format |
| 06:45.50 | dexomsrc | Right I understand that there are patent issues |
| 06:45.54 | tuvwxyz | has anyone tried burning 4GB+ files on dvd on linux? k3b is refusing to burn files > 4GB even with UDF only |
| 06:46.08 | liable | its in debian-mutimedia.org |
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| 06:46.20 | chafe | whjy |
| 06:46.35 | dexomsrc | tuvwyz: that's a limitation of genisoimage. Either that or cdrecord I forget which. Try upgrading them. |
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| 06:46.42 | ttl_work | greetings |
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| 06:47.18 | dexomsrc | liable: I know MP3 encoding and decoding is covered by patents but then why is that gstreamer package that can decode them in main? |
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| 06:47.58 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 06:48.02 | dexomsrc | And VLC can decode MP3s and that's in main as well |
| 06:48.14 | ttl_work | have a strange thingy with vim on a recent etch install |
| 06:48.20 | liable | dexomsrc: i have never gone down the boring path of trying to understand it. check the debian-legal archives |
| 06:48.26 | ttl_work | vim seems to be there but apt-cache policy says it is not installed |
| 06:48.40 | dexomsrc | liable: Ah,okay. Well then back to my original question |
| 06:48.56 | ttl_work | setting syntax on in /etc/vim/vimrc gives an error |
| 06:48.56 | tuvwxyz | is there any way on earth to burn a 4.3GB file on dvd?!! |
| 06:48.58 | dutchfish | where can i find info on changes in the todays/yesterday kernel updates? |
| 06:49.13 | ttl_work | E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syntax on |
| 06:49.23 | \amethyst | ttl_work: install vim-full |
| 06:49.24 | liable | dutchfish: the etch ones? |
| 06:49.30 | dutchfish | liable, yes |
| 06:49.37 | \amethyst | ttl_work: you probably have vim-tiny right now, which doesn't support syntax |
| 06:49.45 | liable | dutchfish: debian-security-announce, you should prolly subscribe |
| 06:49.55 | dexomsrc | liable: Is there any way to tell which packages in debian-multimedia are freely licensed (GPL or LPGL or otherwise) and which aren't? |
| 06:49.56 | dutchfish | liable, oki, thx |
| 06:49.59 | ttl_work | \amethyst: probably... |
| 06:50.00 | liable | dutchfish: it will be in the changelog too |
| 06:50.05 | ttl_work | \amethyst: thnx |
| 06:50.10 | \amethyst | ttl_work: vim-basic if you want something with fewer dependencies than vim-full, but still mostly fully-featured |
| 06:50.15 | liable | dutchfish: before downloading them? |
| 06:50.15 | dexomsrc | I honestly don't care about running Free software that infringes on patents |
| 06:50.16 | dutchfish | liable, not in changelog |
| 06:50.30 | dutchfish | liable, changelog is empty |
| 06:50.31 | liable | dutchfish: really? |
| 06:50.33 | ttl_work | \amethyst: vim-full it will be :-) |
| 06:50.36 | dutchfish | liable, yup |
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| 06:51.26 | dexomsrc | Also mplayer is another good example |
| 06:51.51 | liable | dutchfish: its in my changelog |
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| 06:52.11 | dutchfish | liable, then my proxy is twartin gme ...mm |
| 06:52.25 | liable | dutchfish: aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:53.35 | dutchfish | liable, Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1/changelog |
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| 06:54.46 | dutchfish | liable, weird |
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| 06:57.27 | liable | dutchfish: i cant get it with aptitude either |
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| 06:58.23 | ttl_work | \amethyst: thanks works like a charm now with vim-full installed |
| 06:58.30 | dutchfish | liable, this works however: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12/changelog.html |
| 06:59.02 | dutchfish | liable, i asume aptitude is giving me wrong link ...0.0 |
| 06:59.41 | liable | hrm, i guess its looking at the main repo, not security.debian.org |
| 06:59.57 | dutchfish | liable, could be |
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| 07:00.11 | dutchfish | liable, do you have i link where i can read about the fixes? |
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| 07:00.28 | dutchfish | liable, qa? |
| 07:00.29 | liable | dutchfish: read the dsa archive for this month |
| 07:00.29 | mojojojo_ | I can't run VMWare image if it is located on NTFS partition. Can it be somehow solved? |
| 07:00.33 | liable | !dsa |
| 07:00.34 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ Debian Sysadmin, the people you pester to install software and such on Debian Project computers, or fucking slow and never giving proper credits. unable to maintain a decent level of security on Debian Project computers, or lame |
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| 07:01.09 | liable | !factinfo dsa |
| 07:01.10 | dpkg | dsa -- last modified at Mon Jul 24 18:43:42 2006 by lolman!~lolman@batcave.autiste.org; it has been requested 10 times, last by liable, 36s ago. |
| 07:01.10 | kth` | Fact: Theodore Roosevelt was the only U.S. president to deliver an inaugural address without using the word 'I'. Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Dwight D. Eisenhower tied for second place, using 'I' only once in their inaugural addresses. |
| 07:01.26 | dutchfish | liable, got it: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2007/msg00042.html |
| 07:01.41 | dutchfish | liable, thx |
| 07:01.59 | liable | dutchfish: its a good idea to subscribe to that list if you admin stable boxen |
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| 07:02.38 | dutchfish | liable, i thought there was some package for called deb-something, i forgot |
| 07:03.20 | liable | theres apt-listchanges and apt-reportbug, but they dont tell you when theres new security fixes |
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| 07:03.38 | dutchfish | liable, oh, ok |
| 07:03.43 | liable | apt-listbugs i mean |
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| 07:06.08 | vnm | I <3 Etch, now I can truly show my friends the power of Debian over Suse, RH, mandriva or slackware |
| 07:06.10 | vnm | eh |
| 07:09.09 | vnm | dpkg, entertain me, I'm bored |
| 07:11.05 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice vnm |
| 07:11.48 | vnm | ah, lucky gods |
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| 07:25.14 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
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| 07:34.19 | stari | do you know how many of the installation cds is required to do a basic install? |
| 07:34.28 | Dewi | stari: about 1/5 |
| 07:34.29 | dondelelcaro | none |
| 07:34.33 | Dewi | stari: of one |
| 07:34.36 | cydork | stari: depends |
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| 07:35.18 | stari | uh i just want to install the system and boot into it and install w/e else i need |
| 07:35.22 | stari | 1 will do? |
| 07:35.25 | liable | that should clear it up for him :P |
| 07:35.30 | Dewi | stari: it depends what you want to install; if you have any kind of half-decent internet connection on the target machine then the minimal netinst CD will be fine |
| 07:35.33 | sep | stari, you usualy only need the first cd from your chosen arch |
| 07:35.57 | sep | stari, and if you have internet sue the netinstall it's soo much nicer :) |
| 07:36.04 | stari | ok thx sep |
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| 07:40.11 | khaleel5000 | on debian etch how do I see what hardware is connected where? |
| 07:40.40 | khaleel5000 | like device manager in winblows |
| 07:42.01 | cafuego | do you need it? the usb devides are connected via usb and PCI ones via pci, it's not really rocket science ;-) |
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| 07:42.44 | LordLamer | re |
| 07:42.45 | dondelelcaro | and it's not like the device manager in windows tells you more than that, anyway. If you really care, use lspci and lsusb |
| 07:42.45 | khaleel5000 | cafuego: i have 2 external modems , i wanna see which one is being detected and which one is not |
| 07:42.58 | dondelelcaro | khaleel5000: what type of modem is it? |
| 07:43.03 | khaleel5000 | internal |
| 07:43.09 | cafuego | heh |
| 07:43.33 | cafuego | lspci |
| 07:43.33 | cafuego | actually, `dmesg' |
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| 07:44.23 | khaleel5000 | dondelelcaro: one is Usrobotics internal modem , other i dont know |
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| 07:45.52 | dondelelcaro | if it's a real internal modem, then there's nothing to detect; it'll just appear as another com port. If they're winmodems, you'll have to check dmesg and/or find the proper driver. lspci will tell you what they are, and dmesg will tell you what has been done. |
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| 07:47.21 | khaleel5000 | dondelelcaro: i am a n00b ,i use pppconfig to connect to net , where will it appear as another commport? |
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| 07:49.16 | dondelelcaro | khaleel5000: you'll see it in dmesg |
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| 07:49.54 | Takieda | trying to sh the latest drivers from nvidia (haven't installed any yet), and I've had to apt-get gcc, libc6-dev, and what I thought I needed, the kernel source and tree, and yet I still can't install the drivers from nvidia |
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| 07:50.14 | s0undt3ch | hello ppl, whyle trying to install mysql apt-get is pushing exim, can I block that? I already have a custom smtp server installed... |
| 07:50.34 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: then use equivs |
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| 07:50.42 | dondelelcaro | !equivs |
| 07:50.42 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 07:51.02 | dondelelcaro | !nvida one-liner |
| 07:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:51.04 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. If you need a 1.0.9xxx driver: <nvidia_experimental> |
| 07:51.12 | s0undt3ch | dondelelcaro: hmm, where do I find info about that? |
| 07:51.19 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: apt-cache show equivs |
| 07:51.26 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: you want a package which provides mail-transport-agent |
| 07:51.43 | Takieda | dondelelcaro: doesn't work. I've even added the non-free line to sources.list and it still doesn't find nvidia-kernel. |
| 07:51.50 | s0undt3ch | dondelelcaro: I already have that, just not installed by apt |
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| 07:52.35 | apastinen | Hi, could someone paste me the context of the /etc/default/postfix? |
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| 07:53.22 | zapalotta | Hello |
| 07:53.23 | dondelelcaro | s0undt3ch: yes... this is why you're going to use equivs to install a dummy package which Provides: mail-transport-agent |
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| 07:53.25 | s0undt3ch | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 07:53.27 | s0undt3ch | ok |
| 07:53.30 | s0undt3ch | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 07:53.41 | dondelelcaro | !+info nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:53.42 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:53.45 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-4-686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6 (sid), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 5084 kB |
| 07:53.48 | zapalotta | does anybody know, how mail.log is being rotated in etch when using postfix? I cannot find an entry in /etc/logrotate.conf nor in /etc/logrotate.d |
| 07:53.49 | dondelelcaro | Takieda: ^^^ |
| 07:54.01 | zapalotta | but it _is_ being rotated... |
| 07:54.07 | dondelelcaro | zapalotta: it's using the syslogd rotate script |
| 07:54.24 | apastinen | Hi, could someone paste me the context of the /etc/default/postfix? |
| 07:54.31 | zapalotta | dondelelcaro: oh, ok, and where is that configured? |
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| 07:54.43 | dondelelcaro | apastinen: don't repeat, and you can find it yourself in the diff.gz of the package |
| 07:54.44 | zapalotta | apastinen: the context? |
| 07:54.51 | apastinen | content |
| 07:55.02 | tuvwx | so i burned a video file (mkv) on a dvd using growisofs. now the burned file plays for the first few seconds only. mplayer says: End of file! what does that mean? |
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| 07:55.19 | Takieda | dondelelcaro: couldn't find package |
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| 07:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Takieda: then you don't have the right sources.list entries. http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 07:56.35 | dondelelcaro | (or your mirror sucks, or you're not actually running Debian, or you're not running etch) |
| 07:56.49 | tuvwx | hmm.. the dvd drive won't stop spinning and i can't eject it |
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| 07:57.03 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: check dmesg |
| 07:57.12 | ghenry | morning, what the best way to get libssl-dev install on sarge when I get: |
| 07:57.12 | ghenry | libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7e-3sarge1) but 0.9.7g-5 is to be installed |
| 07:57.56 | Takieda | okay, in sources.list, what mirror should I have listed for that file? |
| 07:58.02 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, a lot of errors.. but how can i get out of this situation. i can't eject the disk |
| 07:58.07 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 07:58.17 | solemnwarning | I've installed cups on a server under etch stable |
| 07:58.44 | solemnwarning | Whenever I connect to a https:// URL cups stops responding and the error log says "Generating SSL key........" |
| 07:59.06 | solemnwarning | strace shows it repeating select() and timing out, with occasional reads from somthing |
| 07:59.17 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, it came to its senses and stopped spinning :) |
| 07:59.22 | solemnwarning | CPU usage is almost 0%, so it's not making the key |
| 07:59.26 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 07:59.52 | tuvwx | here goes another trial |
| 07:59.53 | psyche_ | how i can configure apache2 that way that its working only @ lan? |
| 08:00.21 | Takieda | dondelelcaro: my line says "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" is that the correct one? |
| 08:00.33 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 08:00.41 | dondelelcaro | Takieda: no. |
| 08:00.53 | dondelelcaro | Takieda: you need a real mirror, that has all of Debian in it. |
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| 08:01.07 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 08:01.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 08:01.32 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, the drive is causing a lot of errors. it's connected to a jmicron ide controller. could that be it? (2.6.18 kernel from testing) |
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| 08:02.39 | khaleel5000 | !apt-spy |
| 08:02.39 | dpkg | somebody said apt-spy was a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 08:02.45 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: that's actually indicative of a bad burn, rather than a problem with your drive |
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| 08:06.14 | Takieda | dondelelcaro: thanks, that seems to work... but is this nvidia driver the official nvidia driver, or is it the open-source driver without 3d support? |
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| 08:07.46 | dondelelcaro | Takieda: it's the "official" driver |
| 08:07.51 | dondelelcaro | hence why it's in non-free |
| 08:07.58 | Takieda | ahh, okay... |
| 08:08.06 | Takieda | so what's the point of what's on nvidia's website? |
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| 08:09.05 | dondelelcaro | not everyone on the planet runs Debian |
| 08:09.26 | psyche_ | does someone have experience with Debian GNU/NetBSD ? |
| 08:10.10 | psyche_ | its on early stage of development but can i upgrade BSD kernel with normal way? |
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| 08:11.32 | Takieda | dondelelcaro: ah, excellent point... well it seems a lot is working now, so thanks very much... i'll be off for now. |
| 08:12.09 | dondelelcaro | psyche_: from what I remember, it's an entirely different distribution |
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| 08:13.03 | psyche_ | i have read some documentations about NetBSD kernel but i dont find any documentation for Debian GNU/NetBSD that howto upgrade bsd kernel |
| 08:13.39 | psyche_ | last update is published 2002 though... |
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| 08:18.00 | tarzeau | psyche_: those in #gnu-kbsd ? |
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| 08:18.12 | tarzeau | psyche_: i just know it's not actively developped since quite some time |
| 08:18.22 | tarzeau | psyche_: but debian gnu/kfreebsd is very active |
| 08:18.36 | kombi | bot, please tell me about the key ring thing just once again.. |
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| 08:20.38 | Yaroon | My latest apt-get dist-upgrade seems to go wrong when updating mysql-server-5.0... It hangs, I'm afraid. |
| 08:20.50 | Yaroon | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-1) ... |
| 08:20.51 | Yaroon | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 08:21.20 | Yaroon | And then it doesn't do anything anymore. There are some mysql processes going though, started by dpkg I think. |
| 08:21.34 | liable | kombi: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 08:21.43 | Yaroon | root 17096 0.0 0.4 2632 1252 pts/0 S 10:18 0:00 /bin/bash /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --rpm |
| 08:21.51 | Yaroon | and |
| 08:21.52 | Yaroon | mysql 17098 0.0 2.1 43260 5476 pts/0 S 10:18 0:00 /usr/sbin/mysqld --bootstrap --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --skip-innodb --skip-bdb --skip-ndbcluster --user=mysql --max_allowed_packet=8M --net_buffer_length=16K |
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| 08:22.01 | Yaroon | Is that something that can take a while maybe? |
| 08:24.31 | liable | no |
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| 08:27.02 | RA3OR | i need help changing mail quotas in postfix for specific users ( 2 users) |
| 08:27.04 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 08:27.05 | Coke | Is there a version of "banner" which does horizontal text? |
| 08:27.05 | psyche_ | should i test GNU/Hurd or GNU/kfreebsd? |
| 08:27.07 | psyche_ | wich one? |
| 08:28.06 | crm_ | i just installed an app that had heaps of dependencies .. if i choose to uninstall the app.. do i now have to work out what was installed and remove individually? |
| 08:28.35 | liable | not if you use aptitiude |
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| 08:28.44 | liable | yes if you use apt-get |
| 08:28.47 | darrend | crm_: aptitude will track unused deps |
| 08:28.56 | crm_ | cool.. im using aptitude! |
| 08:28.59 | crm_ | thank! |
| 08:29.01 | tarzeau | crm_: sometimes deborphan is good too |
| 08:29.17 | solar_sea | Is there a way to fetch packages from sid while Im running lenny without doing a dist-upgrade to sid ? |
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| 08:30.17 | liable | !apt-pinning |
| 08:30.17 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 08:30.32 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, right. it was a bad burn. though the image is good. i mount -o loop works fine. it's a udf filesystem image created with 'genisoimage -udf' and burned with 'growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/hde=image.iso'. do you see anything wrong with that? |
| 08:30.50 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: nope; that should be ok |
| 08:30.59 | cydork | solar_sea: well /msg dpkg quick testing/sid mix or check /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:31.09 | solar_sea | okey, thanks |
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| 08:33.00 | ronr | hi, I got a ldap server that serves a central /etc/passwd for a bunch of servers, I got shadowMax set to 40, but when I change my password with passwd from any server it doesn't update shadowLastChange, any ideas what this could be? |
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| 08:38.05 | thegve | Hello. I am trying to do a debian installed packages clone. On the 'master' I do dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt and on the 'clone' I've done dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt . It does not work, what have I forgotten? |
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| 08:38.18 | dondelelcaro | !aptitude clone |
| 08:38.18 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude upgrade; on the other machine. |
| 08:38.22 | dondelelcaro | use the above instead |
| 08:38.39 | thegve | Thanx |
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| 08:42.14 | yettenet | Hi there! Could anyone tell me which file I should edit if I'd like to switch to another window manager? |
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| 08:43.14 | geo-rge | !maint arts |
| 08:43.15 | dpkg | arts: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org> |
| 08:43.18 | thegve | Our datacenter has had a power cut, and one of the XEN machines (using a loopback image), is fully readable when I loopback mount, But it won't start with a Coult not mount bladiebla. So I'd like a quick clone of the -everything except var-, and hope/expect to start it again then. A filecheck didn't give any results, other xen guests on the same hosts work fine... |
| 08:43.46 | geo-rge | what;s a bladebla?? |
| 08:44.29 | thegve | Using IPI No-Shortcut mode |
| 08:44.29 | thegve | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
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| 08:44.44 | \amethyst | yettenet: are you using gdm to login? |
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| 08:44.56 | dondelelcaro | thegve: just copy the entire file |
| 08:45.08 | yettenet | \amethyst: Nah, I don't... And I don't even want to use it. It's better to do manually |
| 08:45.11 | dondelelcaro | thegve: then fsck a copy, and try again |
| 08:45.18 | thegve | ok |
| 08:45.18 | xoz | yettenet: xsession |
| 08:45.20 | \amethyst | yettenet: so you're starting with startx? |
| 08:45.22 | fluxdude3 | is it possible to give sudo rights to all programs except for say su or bash/other shells? |
| 08:45.24 | xoz | yettenet: .xsession |
| 08:45.30 | fluxdude3 | I guess this is probably swiss cheese, since you may never catch all the shells... |
| 08:45.34 | yettenet | \amethyst: Yup |
| 08:45.37 | dondelelcaro | fluxdude3: pretty mcuh |
| 08:45.39 | yettenet | xoz: Thx |
| 08:46.01 | xoz | yettenet: /msg dpkg .xsession |
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| 08:46.46 | geo-rge | fluxdude3: I suppose you could... but if you do that (to, say, everything in /usr/bin) you arguably will no longer have debian for maintainance purposes... |
| 08:47.02 | doudou | hi i made a mistake : chown -R doudou * from / , i went back with chown root * from / but su do not work anymore |
| 08:47.45 | JarJarBinks | doudou: need to start in single user mode? |
| 08:47.47 | \amethyst | doudou: because chown removed the suid bit |
| 08:47.48 | geo-rge | doudou: well, ok... remember that backup you made? restore from it |
| 08:48.18 | JarJarBinks | or boot a disc, and change permissions back |
| 08:48.28 | JarJarBinks | s/disc/live cd/ |
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| 08:48.37 | geo-rge | the installation you have now is damaged beyond (reasonable) repair |
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| 08:49.14 | JarJarBinks | hmm yeah |
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| 08:49.19 | geo-rge | JarJarBinks: well yes, to every file on his system... how many files would that be? |
| 08:49.24 | geo-rge | so it |
| 08:49.36 | geo-rge | s not absolutely beyond repair... |
| 08:49.46 | \amethyst | You could reinstall all the packages |
| 08:49.55 | doudou | well i never start in single user mode, how to put suid bit back to what file ? i have no backup for this version |
| 08:49.59 | geo-rge | not without root privs |
| 08:50.07 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:50.08 | geo-rge | which he might not have anymore |
| 08:50.16 | \amethyst | getty should still be working |
| 08:50.20 | JarJarBinks | doudou: you don't have a way to know which owners where on all files before |
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| 08:50.29 | doudou | i can login with root in a console |
| 08:50.33 | xoz | better reinstall than troubleshoot. |
| 08:50.46 | xoz | unless you want to experiment |
| 08:50.57 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with X + matrox 400 + framebuffer (I think): opengl screensavers sometimes freezes my X and switching from console (ALT+F1) too |
| 08:51.01 | JarJarBinks | you could however asign root:users to all files, and go into /home and give all owners in there their ownership back... but don't think you'd like the result |
| 08:51.08 | JarJarBinks | doudou: ^ |
| 08:51.26 | geo-rge | so half of us are saying... you -can- do it (I do agree, you can) but the other half are saying (if I can interpret just a bit) it would be faster to reinstall |
| 08:51.34 | JarJarBinks | doudou: it's only about 10 min to install debian anyway |
| 08:51.54 | xoz | JarJarBinks: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 08:52.07 | JarJarBinks | xoz: what? |
| 08:52.27 | xoz | JarJarBinks: ingnore. it is for Mazingaro |
| 08:52.29 | JarJarBinks | xoz: take of your close |
| 08:52.33 | JarJarBinks | :) ok |
| 08:52.37 | doudou | jarjarbinks all seems to work only su is missing from xterm |
| 08:52.49 | JarJarBinks | hmm |
| 08:53.01 | xoz | doudou: seems to work is not an acceptable thing. |
| 08:53.15 | doudou | jarjarbinks only su do not want, it says bad password |
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| 08:53.27 | doudou | xoz, yes it is |
| 08:53.34 | Mazingaro | JarJarBinks: ? |
| 08:53.36 | geo-rge | doudou: well keep it if you want to... |
| 08:53.39 | \amethyst | doudou: there's a lot more broken than su |
| 08:53.54 | geo-rge | but they're right, it' |
| 08:53.56 | geo-rge | s |
| 08:54.00 | geo-rge | severely damaged |
| 08:54.19 | doudou | well i only need to be abe do su in xterm, else is working enought well for what i need |
| 08:54.28 | \amethyst | err |
| 08:54.58 | JarJarBinks | doudou: unless you have a master thesis deadline tomorrow, or something similar, you'll be better of, if you reinstall |
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| 08:55.07 | JarJarBinks | imho |
| 08:55.07 | geo-rge | (in a pro situation, you would immediately restore from a backup, and that would be why? to save your job and possibly other's jobs as well) |
| 08:55.25 | xoz | doudou: you messed with the permission, it is critical for the OS. what you experience is just a small sampling of the health of your system. better reinstall to avoid future complications. |
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| 08:55.57 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 08:56.07 | JarJarBinks | geo-rge: enough with the blame game :) -- I carry too much guild from not having a backup to restore already |
| 08:56.10 | geo-rge | well if he doesn't understand permissions right now, it doesn't make sense to him why it's damaged |
| 08:56.30 | DustyDingo | i search for a tool to make stop-trick movies |
| 08:56.35 | \amethyst | doudou: many system programs that are not running as root will no longer be able to write to the files they need to |
| 08:56.46 | DustyDingo | is there something around, which can serve my needs? |
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| 08:56.50 | geo-rge | DustyDingo: what would such a tool do |
| 08:56.53 | thegve | dondelelcaro: Your hint didn't work out, same thing. |
| 08:57.27 | DustyDingo | geo-rge: taking many pictures and create a video from it |
| 08:57.28 | geo-rge | DustyDingo: you'll have to be sicco about what those needs are |
| 08:57.34 | \amethyst | doudou: you can chmod u+s /bin/su but there are a lot more things that need to be fixed |
| 08:57.41 | DustyDingo | somehow low-level video cuting |
| 08:57.41 | geo-rge | oh, like sledgehammer |
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| 08:58.18 | MrWGW- | I thought I'd let you guys know there is some retard in #Linux who is claiming you guys kicked him out because of his nick, et cetera, ad nauseum, ad infinitum |
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| 08:58.29 | \amethyst | doudou: apt-get --reinstall install login would be even better |
| 08:59.10 | \amethyst | even better would be to do that for every package you have installed |
| 08:59.11 | geo-rge | MrWGW-: probably the thing to do is /ignore him (and -not- say to do so on channel) |
| 08:59.16 | xoz | in japan, they would rather replace your broken tv with a new one instead of them troubleshooting your bork tv. new tvs are made by robots... but no robots are good for troubleshooting. doudou, installing is mostly automated. optimize the robot in install phase. |
| 08:59.17 | DustyDingo | of course with all the features, that are needed fo such an application |
| 08:59.30 | DustyDingo | for e.g. detect single invalid pictures etc. |
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| 08:59.38 | doudou | \amethyst what is the meaning of login, in apt-get --reinstall install login |
| 08:59.47 | MrWGW- | right |
| 08:59.47 | \amethyst | doudou: that's the package that contains su |
| 09:00.24 | doudou | xoz, i only use this partition to surf internet, i have others boots clean, but as clean as this system can be ... |
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| 09:00.30 | geo-rge | DustyDingo: you could maybe see if ardour would help at all (but while it does seem to have frame code, I have no idea if it has any syncage to video) |
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| 09:00.35 | Zvpun | doudou: If you had a list of all installed packages you could reinstall your system using apt-get --reinstall install <pacakge list here> |
| 09:00.57 | geo-rge | Zvpun: that's a good idea |
| 09:01.03 | xoz | doudou: don't do the crime if you have no time. apparently, you have the time to do the crime. good luck. |
| 09:01.15 | DustyDingo | geo-rge: when there isn't such tool around, i am going to write one ;) |
| 09:01.41 | ronr | I got a ldap server that serves a central /etc/passwd for a bunch of servers, I got shadowMax set to 120, but when I change my password with passwd from any server it doesn't update shadowLastChange (but it does update the password in LDAP), any ideas what this could be? |
| 09:01.43 | geo-rge | DustyDingo: oh, ok... look into ardour then, it could be a fair starting point |
| 09:02.03 | doudou | ok all seems very complicated, i wanted only to check what su needs and give it back |
| 09:02.11 | geo-rge | but what it is, is a protools-lookalike recording program |
| 09:02.19 | Zvpun | doudou: the apt-get --reinstall is NOT complicated, its VERY easy |
| 09:02.26 | Zvpun | doudou: did you try it? |
| 09:02.34 | \amethyst | doudou: it needs the suid bit |
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| 09:02.48 | doudou | i can launch that command from root |
| 09:02.51 | geo-rge | it probably still has that |
| 09:03.03 | geo-rge | what it needs is to be owned by root again :) |
| 09:03.20 | DustyDingo | geo-rge: maybe some other video-cut software implements something i look for, but i want to have a highly specialized tool |
| 09:03.42 | vyrus001 | is there a way to get the log data from a kernel that panicked? |
| 09:03.44 | Zvpun | I added "ping host; sleep 1; ping host; sleep 1; ... " to /etc/init.d/networking (for debug reasons) but during startup only the output of the first ping is written on the console. Are the other pings not run? |
| 09:03.45 | geo-rge | wellthen :) your work is then cut out for you :) |
| 09:03.59 | xoz | apt-get --reinstall is not complicated but there are parts in the running system that are critical... and the system wont allow it to be reinstalled unless you use dpkg --force-something. |
| 09:04.01 | doudou | Zvpun seems i need list of installed packages, how do i get it? |
| 09:04.18 | xoz | doudou: dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:04.26 | geo-rge | dpkg --get-thingys |
| 09:04.38 | Zvpun | but that isn't usefull for apt-get --reinstall since it has to be one line |
| 09:04.38 | geo-rge | and dpkg --help too |
| 09:04.56 | \amethyst | err, selections aren't what's installed |
| 09:05.16 | geo-rge | Zvpun: bash -does- have a for ... do ... done :) |
| 09:05.29 | xoz | install is better than reinstall in this case. just keep a copy of installed packages |
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| 09:06.05 | \amethyst | doudou: dpkg -l | grep ^.i | cut -d' ' -f3 | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 09:06.06 | Zvpun | geo-rge: I know, but that is not the problem. |
| 09:06.26 | doudou | xoz i run dpkg --get-selections > pack, now in pack i have all what is installed, so i need to lanch apt-get --reinstall for each line of pack |
| 09:06.33 | doudou | xoz, am i right? |
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| 09:06.39 | \amethyst | doudou: that will get the list of packages, find the installed ones, and reinstall them all |
| 09:06.40 | Zvpun | doudou: actually its better if you join it on 1 line |
| 09:06.45 | jetscreamer | doudou: do the first one |
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| 09:06.50 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 09:06.50 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 09:06.59 | jetscreamer | for inplace reinstall |
| 09:07.09 | geo-rge | doudou: not quite... we were a bit inaccurate |
| 09:07.11 | jetscreamer | the second is for taking places |
| 09:07.11 | doudou | tahnks |
| 09:07.21 | jetscreamer | like a diff machine |
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| 09:07.35 | Zvpun | geo-rge: any other hint? |
| 09:07.52 | geo-rge | as far as doudou's issue? |
| 09:07.58 | geo-rge | or which? |
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| 09:08.01 | Zvpun | geo-rge: no, as far as my problem |
| 09:08.26 | Zvpun | geo-rge: during startup only 1 ping output is show, but when calling /etc/init.d/networing start; all 10 are shown |
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| 09:08.30 | \amethyst | Zvpun: does the first ping fail? |
| 09:08.33 | doudou | i should quit doudou X session ? |
| 09:08.46 | geo-rge | use fping in a loop |
| 09:09.02 | geo-rge | you're doing what? waiting for a site to come up? |
| 09:09.10 | Zvpun | \amethyst: yes, but that is do to my network setup I need to ssh to a special machine to get network access and I have the feeling that the ssh is not done when the script continues |
| 09:09.22 | doudou | back in a apt-get |
| 09:09.35 | \amethyst | Zvpun: read the shbang line, it's run with sh -e |
| 09:09.43 | Zvpun | I am debuging the init-sript. I want to know if the ssh comes up after say 5 sec or something |
| 09:09.56 | \amethyst | Zvpun: exit immediately if any command fails |
| 09:09.58 | geo-rge | the ssh? |
| 09:10.16 | geo-rge | hmm, so you need an ssh pipe to get out at all? |
| 09:10.20 | infester | is apt-setup only available in old debian versions? |
| 09:10.41 | Zvpun | \amethyst: ok, |
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| 09:11.00 | \amethyst | Zvpun: you can do ping host || true |
| 09:11.04 | geo-rge | infester: not sure... but in any case you can edit the file |
| 09:11.14 | Zvpun | geo-rge: ok, so 1. I need to ssh to a certain host, I do that with a script (sshToHost) after the ifup line in networking |
| 09:11.29 | geo-rge | ok |
| 09:11.31 | Zvpun | geo-rge: 2. I feel like my script needs more time |
| 09:11.43 | Zvpun | geo-rge: 3. I added the pings to see when the ping actually works |
| 09:12.06 | geo-rge | when you just do "ping site" it continues pinging forever |
| 09:12.10 | Zvpun | \amethyst: unfortunately I need to reboot to test |
| 09:12.14 | geo-rge | but |
| 09:12.16 | \amethyst | Zvpun: so where are you starting the ssh session? |
| 09:12.30 | geo-rge | if you do fping -c 1 site in a loop with a sleep 1... |
| 09:12.37 | MrWGW- | was there ever a Debian distro named "Buzz" out of curiosity? |
| 09:12.41 | Zvpun | after the ifup in /etc/init.d/networking. I added a call to /usr/local/bin/sshToHost |
| 09:12.42 | geo-rge | yes |
| 09:12.53 | Zvpun | geo-rge: I do ping -c 1 somehost |
| 09:13.11 | Zvpun | geo-rge: I think I should add the ||true but to test I need to reboot. |
| 09:13.12 | MrWGW- | I love that Toy Story theme in the release names |
| 09:13.44 | geo-rge | !codenames |
| 09:13.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), Sarge=Stable (3.1) Etch=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews |
| 09:14.00 | thegve | I've written a quick (PHP, that's what i know) script to do the dpkg --get-selections like behavior to work, I couldn't get it to work. http://pastebin.ca/468704 |
| 09:14.04 | \amethyst | Zvpun: So the issue is the the network access isn't actually granted until some time after sshToHost finishes? |
| 09:14.25 | Zvpun | \amethyst: I dont know yet but I feel like it. |
| 09:14.26 | geo-rge | so that factoid is out of date given sarge is now oldstable |
| 09:15.15 | \amethyst | thegve: couldn't get it to work in what way? |
| 09:15.18 | ustunozgur | seems like dpkg bot doesn't know about lenny. |
| 09:15.34 | thegve | dpkg --get-selections < packages |
| 09:15.38 | thegve | set |
| 09:15.39 | Zvpun | \amethyst: the sshToHost script uses expect to send the password, since ssh doesnt have a password option. I would need some kind of stop to wait for connection to the internet working. |
| 09:15.40 | thegve | ... |
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| 09:16.10 | \amethyst | Zvpun: So you have no way of using a key to ssh to this host? |
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| 09:16.12 | geo-rge | so you want to -read- packages thru stdin to dpkg --get-selections? |
| 09:16.13 | thegve | Don't know why it didn't work, most likely I've done something wrong, this was the quickest solution... |
| 09:16.34 | Zvpun | \amethyst: unfortunately no, (they dont care blah blah bullshit) |
| 09:16.48 | thegve | for cloning, yes dpkg --get-selections on the old machine, dpkg --set-selections on the new machine |
| 09:17.24 | \amethyst | Zvpun: does sshToHost at least wait for the ssh to terminate? |
| 09:17.30 | geo-rge | --get-selections writes stdout, not reads stdin tho |
| 09:17.41 | yettenet | Byebye |
| 09:17.42 | yettenet | :) |
| 09:17.45 | yettenet | g2g |
| 09:17.46 | geo-rge | (small detail, but valid :) |
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| 09:17.48 | \amethyst | geo-rge: he corrected himself next line |
| 09:17.48 | yettenet | exit |
| 09:17.49 | jetscreamer | -set-sel |
| 09:17.54 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 09:17.58 | Zvpun | \amethyst: I dont know, and I dont know how to find out wheter it does |
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| 09:18.09 | \amethyst | Zvpun: I thought you wrote it |
| 09:18.29 | Zvpun | \amethyst: well the ping stuff is only to test in that direction |
| 09:18.49 | geo-rge | one thing that could be helpful, is to start by pinging the router by numeric ip |
| 09:19.01 | ernie_ | at our company we have our own apt repository for some internal packages. But we also want a multidistribution repository. How can i specify what packages in the pool directory structure belong to distribution a and which one belong to distribution b. I'm using dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources to build packages and sources file |
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| 09:19.44 | geo-rge | unless you know you can always ping the router... in that case find some external numeric IP that's likely up (such as the thing you're sshing to maybe?) |
| 09:19.48 | Zvpun | \amethyst: I'll add the ||true and reboot, hope to see you soon again |
| 09:19.54 | ernie_ | or should we specify it in the packages itself in the changelog file? |
| 09:20.10 | aidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.12 | aidan | oops. |
| 09:20.27 | geo-rge | BUSted! |
| 09:20.37 | aidan | The shame :( |
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| 09:20.39 | \amethyst | ernie_: represent the distributions as architectures? or as different releases? |
| 09:20.49 | ernie_ | as diffrent releases |
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| 09:20.59 | ernie_ | we also want a testing/stable system for our own packages |
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| 09:21.11 | \amethyst | you still need something in the filename to differentiate them in that case |
| 09:21.32 | geo-rge | then maybe you need more of the debian infrastructure |
| 09:21.50 | geo-rge | autobuilders, etc etc |
| 09:22.05 | \amethyst | ernie_: what different distributions are you talking about? |
| 09:22.12 | geo-rge | all the girl-named daemons, kate, etc |
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| 09:22.18 | \amethyst | ernie_: all .deb, or some .rpm as well? |
| 09:22.32 | ernie_ | \amethyst: all .deb for the moment |
| 09:22.48 | ernie_ | but i meant a sarge distribution/ etch distribution |
| 09:22.55 | ernie_ | so more entries in the dists directory |
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| 09:23.23 | \amethyst | ernie_: ah... |
| 09:23.45 | tashi_ | hi, how can I create a DVD-Audio in Linux? |
| 09:23.54 | geo-rge | you might have to pick a different movie :) |
| 09:24.10 | ernie_ | we use debian machines that run tests on electronic devices |
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| 09:24.27 | ernie_ | we want to package the software that test these devices as debian packages |
| 09:24.38 | ernie_ | but we want to have production ready packages |
| 09:24.46 | ernie_ | and packages for the developpers |
| 09:24.54 | ernie_ | which contain newer libraries and so on |
| 09:24.55 | geo-rge | ernie_: hmm. do you think they would be generally useful? |
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| 09:25.15 | ernie_ | geo-rge: no, it 's only internal use |
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| 09:25.41 | geo-rge | ok, then it wouldn't make sense to get a sponsor, upload the packages, etc |
| 09:25.45 | Tino | Hello |
| 09:25.50 | ernie_ | i dont think anyone else wants it, it is full of security bugs ;) |
| 09:25.51 | Zvpun | \amethyst: yes, its like the sshToHost script (which is an expect script) exits before its finished or rather it continues in the background. |
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| 09:25.59 | Tino | How can I know which options were used to create a package ? |
| 09:26.02 | tashi_ | no movie only dvd-audio :) knows someone how can I create this... |
| 09:26.19 | gejr | how can i start a X program on a remote machine when i'm connected to it through ssh? I don't understand this display-bit of linux yet.. |
| 09:26.19 | ernie_ | geo-rge: no, i just want to run thing internally |
| 09:26.21 | wols | Tino: by looking in the debian source package |
| 09:26.23 | cydork | Tino: download the source package check debian/rules. |
| 09:26.24 | geo-rge | Tino: apt-get source <packagename> and look thru the rules file |
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| 09:26.32 | geo-rge | to start with that is |
| 09:26.34 | Zvpun | Tino: apt-get source package; and read the control in the debian subdir |
| 09:26.45 | wols | gejr: set a DISPLAY environment variable pointing back to you |
| 09:26.48 | cydork | Zvpun: control?? |
| 09:26.56 | Tino | Thanks |
| 09:26.59 | gejr | wols: back to the ssh client? |
| 09:27.09 | wols | back to the X server |
| 09:27.10 | geo-rge | well control is only mildly relevent to his question |
| 09:27.14 | wols | on the remote machine |
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| 09:27.19 | gejr | like export display=thecomputerimsittingat:0 ? |
| 09:27.29 | ernie_ | ssh -X luser@remotemachine |
| 09:27.33 | geo-rge | DISPLAY (not display) |
| 09:28.00 | ernie_ | and make sure the remote machines has X11Forwarding set to yes in sshd_config |
| 09:28.19 | geo-rge | or do that by hand or use sux |
| 09:28.20 | gejr | hm..ernie, that would make the x program open on the local machine, right? |
| 09:28.38 | ernie_ | geo-rge: yes |
| 09:28.39 | gejr | i'd like to get i.e. gcalctool to open on the other computer here |
| 09:29.07 | ernie_ | DISPLAY=:0 gcalctool |
| 09:29.12 | geo-rge | run on your machine, open on a different computer's x display? |
| 09:29.32 | gejr | ernie_, : that makes gcalctool appear on the local machine |
| 09:29.38 | gejr | geo-rge,: exactly |
| 09:29.57 | gejr | well...i'm running it on the remote machine |
| 09:30.09 | gejr | but from another computer through ssh |
| 09:30.09 | geo-rge | you -could- ssh in to "this" computer from "that" computer's xterm |
| 09:30.17 | gejr | hehe |
| 09:30.19 | Zvpun | cydork: mistake not control |
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| 09:30.40 | geo-rge | the reason why that works is the x maint decided to wrap the x server with a ssh-agent |
| 09:30.43 | luch | all: |
| 09:30.49 | geo-rge | some: |
| 09:30.52 | gejr | geo-rge: i'm at pc.1 and logged into pc2 with ssh. I want to open pc2's X program on pc2's display. |
| 09:30.54 | gejr | are you with me? |
| 09:31.05 | geo-rge | no, I'm at my house! |
| 09:31.11 | vyrus001 | im having some trouble getting a new kernel to work after compileing.. anybody know what typicly causes the "cant find /init" kernel panic? |
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| 09:31.21 | maemo | I am trying to apt-get install <pkg.deb>.from a mirror which is https://mirror.xyz.com and it is protected by username and password how to configure local apt-get for authentication of usename and password for that mirror ? |
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| 09:31.55 | wols | maemo: tried the old http://user:pass@site ? |
| 09:31.56 | geo-rge | hmm, who@pc2 is running the x server on pc2? |
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| 09:32.18 | gejr | geo-rge: like..which user? |
| 09:32.22 | geo-rge | right |
| 09:32.23 | gejr | the same as whom i'm logged in as |
| 09:32.40 | geo-rge | ok, that -should- work then |
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| 09:33.14 | geo-rge | say you're running x as pc2user@pc2 |
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| 09:33.20 | gejr | yes |
| 09:33.34 | geo-rge | then from pc1 you could ssh pc2user@pc2 |
| 09:33.45 | gejr | that's what i'm doing :) |
| 09:34.01 | geo-rge | then if you echo $DISPLAY on the sshed shell... |
| 09:34.07 | geo-rge | you should see something like... |
| 09:34.18 | geo-rge | pc2:10 |
| 09:34.22 | gejr | echo $DISPLAY returns nothing ;o |
| 09:34.23 | geo-rge | or |
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| 09:34.53 | cydork | maemo: man apt.conf |
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| 09:35.40 | geo-rge | ok if that's the case (and you want that (unrelated) part different, you could edit pc2:/etc/ssh/sshd_conf |
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| 09:36.09 | geo-rge | but you should be able to do this in all cases: |
| 09:36.20 | geo-rge | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 09:36.29 | gejr | X11Forwarding is set to true in sshd_conf |
| 09:36.30 | cat | hey how come everytime i boot up my pc the sound doesn't work but when i do alsaconf and after everything finishes my sound works? |
| 09:36.39 | cat | can someone explain me the problem |
| 09:36.54 | gejr | woh...display=:0 worked :) |
| 09:36.55 | ustunozgur | hi guys, I have a laptop and connect a mouse from PS/2. But the mouse goes out of control from time to time. Can anyone guide me to solve this? |
| 09:37.01 | ustunozgur | Here is my Xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/468717 |
| 09:37.04 | geo-rge | gejr: not sure why DISPLAY isn't set then... |
| 09:37.14 | gejr | can i somehow make that command be run automatically when i ssh to pc2 ? |
| 09:37.20 | gejr | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 09:37.21 | cydork | cat: using gnome? esd is turned off? |
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| 09:37.37 | wols | ustunozgur: gpm installed/used? |
| 09:37.43 | cat | cydork: not sure |
| 09:37.49 | geo-rge | see... I forgot whether what I'm leading you to is what you want... |
| 09:37.51 | cat | cydork: i think i need to put something on /etc/modules |
| 09:37.54 | geo-rge | but |
| 09:37.55 | cat | if i'm not mystaking |
| 09:38.01 | geo-rge | try running xev |
| 09:38.02 | ustunozgur | wols: I didnot have it, but I installed it if it solves. Nothing changed. |
| 09:38.10 | cydork | cat: depends.. /msg dpkg alsa oneliner |
| 09:38.11 | geo-rge | after doing that export |
| 09:38.24 | ustunozgur | I have read that gpm working might cause that, but that's not it. |
| 09:38.28 | cat | cydork: ntohing happends |
| 09:38.34 | cydork | cat: oh sorry /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 09:38.36 | geo-rge | then you'll have xev running on pc2 and displaying on pc2 |
| 09:38.39 | ustunozgur | It especially behave erratically at the corners of the screen. |
| 09:38.44 | gejr | geo-rge: yea, that's right |
| 09:38.45 | tuvwx | what could cause this (from dmesg): 'warning: many lost ticks.Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts' |
| 09:39.05 | gejr | geo-rge: a little white window appeared on pc2's monitor:) |
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| 09:39.25 | ernie_ | gejr: i understoot the question was to run it on the localmachine |
| 09:39.29 | ernie_ | understood |
| 09:39.33 | cat | cool |
| 09:39.37 | cydork | cat: if you are using gnome check esd.. retarded gnome turns it on by default .. |
| 09:39.38 | |rouemirc| | Why can't k3b burn files over 4.0GB to a DVD? |
| 09:39.44 | geo-rge | try moving pc2's mouse and clicking in tthat win, and type stuff while that win has kbd focus |
| 09:39.45 | gejr | ernie_: yea, it was hard to explain what i wanted :) |
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| 09:40.13 | ustunozgur | Inside /dev/input, there are: mice mouse0 mouse1 . Which one is the correct one? |
| 09:40.38 | geo-rge | gejr: so xev is running and displaying on the same machine |
| 09:40.42 | gejr | geo-rge: it captures all my mouse movement and keyboard strokes |
| 09:40.52 | gejr | ah, ye it is..definately |
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| 09:41.14 | geo-rge | gejr: it can be a handy tool; check man xev sometime if you're so inclined |
| 09:41.19 | Rapp | what is the easiest way to install kde 3.5.6 on etch? |
| 09:41.37 | Rapp | in 3.5.5 there are a few bugs that annoy me, that i don't have in 3.5.6 on another machine |
| 09:41.56 | hark | Rapp: file a bug report for them then |
| 09:41.57 | geo-rge | etch has 3.5.5? |
| 09:42.06 | gejr | geo-rge: i've looked in ssh_config for a way to tell the client to automatically run export DISPLAY=:0 when i connect to pc2, but i can't find it.. |
| 09:42.14 | gejr | do you by any chance know how to do something like this? |
| 09:42.42 | geo-rge | gejr: you don't necessarily want that every time :) |
| 09:42.51 | geo-rge | (just a data point...) |
| 09:42.58 | ernie_ | gejr: you can do that in you .profile? |
| 09:43.00 | gejr | no, that's true..but i could make a little script like sshx <hostname> |
| 09:43.21 | sanelson | hrm |
| 09:43.22 | sanelson | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:43.23 | geo-rge | yeah, and run your thing in that script |
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| 09:43.34 | hark | sanelson: you need non-free |
| 09:43.45 | geo-rge | sanelson: and probably contrib |
| 09:43.45 | hark | or contrib :) |
| 09:44.22 | sanelson | i have: deb http://ftp.ticklers.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 09:44.37 | geo-rge | looks good to me |
| 09:44.55 | geo-rge | it was like that last time you did apt-get update? |
| 09:45.20 | sanelson | yeah - only did update 5 mins ago, once I added contrib and non-free |
| 09:45.45 | geo-rge | ok... so maybe there's another issue of why that package is missing |
| 09:45.58 | hark | sanelson: amd64? |
| 09:46.02 | sanelson | hark: sparc64 |
| 09:46.19 | hark | heh |
| 09:46.21 | geo-rge | hope you got cache ram installed :) |
| 09:47.26 | geo-rge | where's the package status page? |
| 09:48.28 | geo-rge | is that on alioth somewhere? |
| 09:48.28 | hark | packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree ? |
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| 09:48.48 | tuvwx | dmesg says 'warning: many lost ticks.Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts' during dvd drive access. i suspect it's due to the jmicron driver. can anyone confirm? are there any solutions? |
| 09:49.05 | geo-rge | waiting for packages.debian.org... |
| 09:49.12 | geo-rge | oh, there it goes |
| 09:49.17 | sanelson | seems that it's only available for i386 |
| 09:49.31 | sanelson | hello SlayerXP |
| 09:49.38 | SlayerXP | lo steve |
| 09:49.41 | hark | of course.. EVIL! ;) |
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| 09:51.28 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:51.28 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
| 09:51.40 | geo-rge | well, this is just an installer package... which means you would need the flash plugin bin in a particular place... and the deb maint might have to maintain the different arches separately |
| 09:51.47 | geo-rge | !qotd0 |
| 09:51.47 | dpkg | from memory, qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 09:52.33 | hark | only if adobe would release one in the first place... |
| 09:52.41 | geo-rge | that's only quotable if you consider not knowing about a particular subject as dumb or funny or something |
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| 09:53.17 | geo-rge | "he dosn't know pi to 300 digits... HAHAHA!" |
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| 09:54.49 | jelly | it is pretty much nonsensical |
| 09:54.57 | lkthomas | hey guys, I am using previous stable debian, is there have any tools that could help to reverse the upgrade if anything happening ? |
| 09:54.58 | geo-rge | true |
| 09:55.14 | geo-rge | lkthomas, yes,,, |
| 09:55.19 | geo-rge | it's called... |
| 09:55.20 | sanelson | lkthomas: restore from tape? |
| 09:55.20 | geo-rge | a... |
| 09:55.24 | geo-rge | BACKUP! |
| 09:55.39 | sanelson | you do have backups, right? |
| 09:55.56 | geo-rge | yeah! I just shift into reverse... |
| 09:56.00 | hark | you can do a dry run |
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| 09:56.01 | geo-rge | and... presto! |
| 09:56.08 | jelly | I don't care for backups... but restores are important |
| 09:56.20 | geo-rge | hah |
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| 09:56.45 | geo-rge | yeah, I like restoring from the backup I didn't make too :) |
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| 09:57.29 | geo-rge | aside from which I don't have to create a backup plan :) |
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| 09:58.38 | jwisher | speaking of which, what is the easist way to image a whole system remotely, ftp? |
| 09:58.49 | jelly | is this quotable? <FakeOutdoorsman> is the shared or static opera version better for an older, low memory machine? <MinceR> shared <MinceR> less memory wasted that way |
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| 09:59.16 | geo-rge | I like the tar approach myself, but I'd use ssh rather than ftp |
| 09:59.44 | jelly | I'd use feathers |
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| 10:00.11 | geo-rge | the issue comes up upon restore: what, then, is the minimum I have to have in order to restore the backup? |
| 10:00.34 | liable | a working base |
| 10:00.36 | geo-rge | a question whose answer will be important when you do things like replace your hds :) |
| 10:00.43 | jelly | that's only when you do a disaster recovery |
| 10:01.07 | geo-rge | right, |
| 10:01.23 | jelly | mondo/mindi make custom bootable cds for that |
| 10:01.29 | geo-rge | it would be as important as the restorer considers his system to be |
| 10:01.39 | geo-rge | to know how to restore |
| 10:02.16 | geo-rge | oh, nice |
| 10:02.26 | geo-rge | what are those? |
| 10:02.40 | geo-rge | or better, where do I read more |
| 10:03.15 | jelly | google and/or apt-cache search is your friend? |
| 10:03.27 | alexp | I'm sure that #debian used to recommend that people not mix apt-get and aptitude, but I can't find much documentation about why, and whether this also applies to package managers like adept, synaptic etc. |
| 10:03.55 | geo-rge | alexp: aptitude maintains an extra db of stuff |
| 10:04.16 | liable | alexp: and synaptic uses apt-gets stuff |
| 10:04.32 | alexp | So you can't mix synaptic and aptitude? |
| 10:04.45 | geo-rge | well |
| 10:04.47 | geo-rge | you can |
| 10:04.59 | jelly | alexp: aptitude keeps track of which dependencies are pulled in automatically. Things installed with other tools will all be considered as installed manually |
| 10:05.02 | liable | its not a problem really, but you may find aptitude wants to remove half your system, in that case just purge and reinstall it |
| 10:05.21 | geo-rge | but if you do the db becomes either weaker or unusable... it's an extra feature of aptitude |
| 10:05.57 | liable | it just loses track of auto depends and you are in the same boat as apt-get |
| 10:06.23 | geo-rge | if you always use aptitude from the time you first install debian, it will be as usable as it could be |
| 10:06.39 | Peacimowen | Don't always like aptitude though. |
| 10:06.43 | geo-rge | apt-get is in a boat?! |
| 10:06.54 | Peacimowen | geo-rge: It's a figure of speach. |
| 10:07.07 | geo-rge | I like figures! |
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| 10:07.13 | liable | interestingly, i had always used aptitude on my sarge box, and upgrading to etch it wanted to remove my running kernel |
| 10:07.17 | Peacimowen | riiight. |
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| 10:07.56 | alexp | liable: I think that was a pre-release Etch dist-upgrade bug caused by the switch from kernel-image-* to linux-image-* packages. |
| 10:08.03 | jelly | geo-rge: 7 |
| 10:08.16 | jelly | go figure! |
| 10:08.30 | liable | alexp: my box went sarge to stable etch |
| 10:08.33 | alexp | So does this aptitude / apt-get problem persist in Etch? |
| 10:08.35 | geo-rge | heyy, that was cool! |
| 10:08.45 | alexp | liable: Hmm, they should have fixed that RC bug before release :) |
| 10:08.48 | jelly | alexp: it does |
| 10:09.02 | geo-rge | but Jeff Beck and Vinnie Colaiuta are -really- cool! |
| 10:09.07 | ozux | hi, is there any new banner for debian etch? or any other art work? |
| 10:09.22 | alexp | jelly: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/5845 implies that it's fixed in Etch... |
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| 10:13.17 | jelly | alexp: It says the problem with it wanting to remove packages is, but not the one with it not knowing about automatically pulled dependencies |
| 10:13.36 | jelly | alexp: ... for packages installed with apt. |
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| 10:14.33 | alexp | jelly: But in Etch, aptitude won't try to remove half your system if you install stuff with apt-get? |
| 10:14.46 | jelly | alexp: seems so. |
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| 10:18.47 | geo-rge | jelly: so has apt-get been refactored to take advantage of the extra-stored stuff? |
| 10:19.00 | jelly | geo-rge: no |
| 10:19.12 | alexp | Is apt-get not pretty deprecated with Etch's release? |
| 10:19.19 | tarzeau | alexp: no it's not |
| 10:19.20 | geo-rge | well |
| 10:19.24 | geo-rge | it always was |
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| 10:19.29 | tarzeau | geo-rge: bullshit |
| 10:19.37 | tarzeau | geo-rge: it never was deprecated |
| 10:19.40 | geo-rge | it was originally intended as a test of the libs |
| 10:19.48 | tarzeau | geo-rge: refactored to waste more memory? |
| 10:20.11 | geo-rge | dunno, ask Culus |
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| 10:20.18 | geo-rge | he wrote it |
| 10:20.21 | liable | this looks like it might be an ineteresting waste of time |
| 10:21.00 | tarzeau | aptitude isn't compatible to apt-get, and it will take more than twice as time/memory on a below 64mb memory machine |
| 10:21.30 | geo-rge | are there any modern machines anymore with less than that? |
| 10:21.31 | tarzeau | debian supports several computers that can't have a lot of memory (either technically or of historical reasons) |
| 10:21.38 | alexp | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#s-pkgmgmt - "aptitude is the preferred program for package management from console." |
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| 10:21.39 | tarzeau | geo-rge: sure, look at nslu2 for example |
| 10:22.01 | geo-rge | what';s that |
| 10:22.04 | tarzeau | alexp: preferred doesn't mean the others are deprecated |
| 10:22.12 | dondelelcaro | if you're going to use a box with no memory, you should be using a cut down mirror |
| 10:22.16 | tarzeau | geo-rge: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 10:22.31 | dondelelcaro | using a full mirror on a machine without substantial amounts of memory is asking for pain |
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| 10:22.46 | alexp | tarzeau: Sure it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation |
| 10:22.46 | geo-rge | culus never wanted to release apt-get... |
| 10:22.53 | tarzeau | how much is no memory? |
| 10:22.57 | dondelelcaro | (where substantial in this case means 128m) |
| 10:23.00 | geo-rge | we traded him a cow for it :) |
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| 10:24.11 | tarzeau | i know not much hppa, mips, arm, sparc, m68k, 486 computers with 128+ mb memory... |
| 10:24.57 | jelly | tarzeau: sparc64 machines come with at least 128MB. |
| 10:25.04 | geo-rge | maybe only a couple of those can have them (remember, I said -modern- :) |
| 10:25.09 | tarzeau | jelly: i was talking the old 32bit sparcs |
| 10:25.21 | jelly | tarzeau: and sparc32 isn't really supported in linux any more |
| 10:25.32 | tarzeau | geo-rge: so debian.org should say desktop instead of universal? |
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| 10:26.10 | geo-rge | I'm not sure what left field that came from... I was just asking a question |
| 10:26.13 | tarzeau | jelly: says who? |
| 10:26.23 | alexp | Hey, Etch dropped support for 386-class machines, damn them. |
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| 10:26.31 | jelly | tarzeau: says Dave Miller. |
| 10:26.36 | tarzeau | jelly: ok then |
| 10:26.41 | jelly | :-) |
| 10:26.55 | geo-rge | apparantly not modern enough :) |
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| 10:27.15 | telmich | hello |
| 10:27.19 | geo-rge | or just a pita to support, seriouslyu... |
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| 10:27.36 | telmich | does someone, why debian ships xorg 1.3.0.0 instead of 7.2.x.x in sid? |
| 10:27.38 | jelly | there's no active kernel maintainer, just that |
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| 10:27.44 | tarzeau | geo-rge: it just works, no changes are needed (since the hardware doesn't change anymore) |
| 10:27.48 | telmich | this breaks fglrx, which needs xorg >= 7.1.x.x |
| 10:27.51 | tarzeau | geo-rge: how is that a pita to support? |
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| 10:28.10 | liable | telmich: its fglrx's bad version checking apparently |
| 10:28.32 | geo-rge | well I would have to agree if you said something like "if the kernel still supports it, debian should probabgly also" |
| 10:28.44 | tarzeau | geo-rge: debian still supports it |
| 10:28.59 | tarzeau | geo-rge: who needs support if it just works? |
| 10:29.05 | jelly | geo-rge: yeah, that was the general consensus on debian-sparc, afaict |
| 10:29.16 | tarzeau | geo-rge: some software is finished, and works way good, no need to change it? |
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| 10:29.25 | geo-rge | wait, I think there are two threads here... |
| 10:29.37 | geo-rge | one, sparc32, the other, i386 |
| 10:29.39 | rocketmagnet | morning, can someone tell me how to make a normal user be able to mount and access my external hd ? |
| 10:29.53 | telmich | liable: I'm sorry, but I do not see 7.x in xorg output either; or did I miss something and x.org jumped to 1.3.0? |
| 10:30.03 | tarzeau | geo-rge: porting software means, make the described functionality of the software work on another computer. this is a one time work |
| 10:30.07 | ustunozgur | what is fglrx good for? I have an ati mobility card, and I tried installing it, but it corrupted my X. |
| 10:30.09 | rocketmagnet | in etc/fstab i have this line : /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 10:30.09 | geo-rge | tarzeau: support could involve altering things to fix bugs... |
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| 10:30.23 | tarzeau | geo-rge: but when no bugs exist? |
| 10:30.25 | ustunozgur | Isn't xserver-xorg-video-ati enough, or is it 3d acceleration stuff? |
| 10:30.25 | liable | telmich: check the bts for xserver-xorg-core, you will also find other distros have this problem |
| 10:30.28 | rocketmagnet | is the new debian able to WRITE ntfs ? |
| 10:30.32 | geo-rge | no, -could- be one-time. |
| 10:30.41 | tarzeau | geo-rge: and even if bugs exist, i don't think kernel.org guys would not accept patches |
| 10:30.45 | jelly | tarzeau: sure -- and on eg. sparc32, you have debian sarge, it works, no need to change it. :-) |
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| 10:30.54 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: you have to install ntfs-3g from testing. |
| 10:30.57 | tarzeau | jelly: sometimes you want newer software |
| 10:31.04 | jelly | tarzeau: nope |
| 10:31.13 | tarzeau | jelly: i wanted opencubicplayer on my sparc |
| 10:31.14 | geo-rge | it depends on the issues involved... and I'm not really up for discussing processor/machine details atm :) |
| 10:31.26 | liable | telmich: either way, theres nothing you can do about it except hold -core and wait for a new fglrx |
| 10:31.35 | jelly | tarzeau: newer software might mean newer kernel, which apparently does not work well |
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| 10:31.40 | tarzeau | jelly: sarge had it not, etch has a not so well version, sid has a great version (the latest by upstream) |
| 10:31.48 | telmich | liable: ok, will do, thanks. |
| 10:31.48 | tarzeau | jelly: 2.6 on sparc doesn't work well? |
| 10:31.57 | jelly | tarzeau: sparc32. that's correct. |
| 10:32.07 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: apt-get install ntfs-3g ?? |
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| 10:32.17 | jelly | thankfully I only have a sparc64 machine |
| 10:32.18 | tarzeau | jelly: i'll have to try it on my sparc classic... (sparc32) |
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| 10:32.32 | rocketmagnet | because it actually reads the ntfs stuff but cannot write (but fstab has 'rw' set) |
| 10:32.55 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: yes. but as I said, you should active testing repositories first. |
| 10:33.07 | rocketmagnet | how to do that ? |
| 10:33.13 | rocketmagnet | apt-get update url ? |
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| 10:33.22 | sputnick_ | hi there |
| 10:34.16 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: how to activate the testing repository ? |
| 10:34.23 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: use synaptic. |
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| 10:34.39 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: k, and is it no problem to mix stable / testing ? |
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| 10:34.59 | ustunozgur | You can disable it afterwards. |
| 10:35.06 | ghenry | anyone hit this beofre on sarge: : multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
| 10:35.14 | ustunozgur | Or you can try getting the package from http://packages.debian.org/testing/libdevel/libntfs-3g-dev.en.html |
| 10:35.24 | sputnick_ | I have an issue whith a user. He can loging from ssh but when he try "su - user" su says : "su: incorrect password" the log: ./auth.log:May 3 11:44:28 hostXXXX su: FAILED SU (to user) user on /dev/pts/12 |
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| 10:35.40 | kryl | hi |
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| 10:35.42 | sputnick_ | the password is ok |
| 10:36.00 | kryl | I have a hardware technical question but I don't know where I can ask ! |
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| 10:36.54 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: but if you download it using http, you need to dl every dependency package. |
| 10:37.09 | rocketmagnet | so i'll leave this allone =) |
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| 10:37.40 | ustunozgur | so, I would suggest, use synaptic, install it, then remove the testing repository. |
| 10:37.50 | rocketmagnet | i have small problem with synapse, cannot open display (as root user) |
| 10:37.59 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i switched the jmicron controller mode from ide to ahci in the bios and burned the image again. at first the dvd was working. after a little while it sopped and i got some errors in dmesg and it went back to the previous problematic status! |
| 10:38.05 | rocketmagnet | and the normal user is not allowed to start it |
| 10:38.23 | ustunozgur | well, you can set its permissions. |
| 10:38.32 | ustunozgur | I think you have to be in the fuse group. |
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| 10:39.01 | rocketmagnet | is the fuse module normaly running ? or do i need to load the module also ? |
| 10:39.34 | ustunozgur | if you install it using apt-get or synaptic, it will take care of those issues. |
| 10:39.36 | geo-rge | is Scott Henderson and Alan Holdsworth members of the fuse group? |
| 10:40.04 | ustunozgur | nut you might need to change a line in /etc/fstab |
| 10:40.26 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, on the bright side, i don't get any 'losing ticks' errors anymore |
| 10:40.30 | geo-rge | what is this fuse module? what does it dd? |
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| 10:41.10 | xand | !fuse |
| 10:41.10 | dpkg | somebody said fuse was at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 10:41.31 | geo-rge | I see, thanks |
| 10:41.39 | xand | it's quite useful |
| 10:41.46 | ustunozgur | see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 10:41.54 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 10:41.55 | xand | I use it to mount remote filesystems using sshfs |
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| 10:42.42 | rocketmagnet | when modinfo fuse prints me the info of the module it should allready be loaded or ? |
| 10:42.45 | geo-rge | correct me if I'm wrong... but if something's in userspace, it generally runs slower, possibly much slower (if swapping) right? |
| 10:43.07 | geo-rge | rocketmagnet: not necessarily |
| 10:43.41 | geo-rge | rocketmagnet: do you think it would be useful to get info on an as-yet unloaded module? |
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| 10:44.54 | rocketmagnet | so how to check if it is allready in us e ? |
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| 10:45.13 | geo-rge | if you mean "is it loaded", look at lsmod |
| 10:45.26 | rocketmagnet | ah |
| 10:45.33 | rocketmagnet | had a longer linux pause =( |
| 10:45.45 | ronr | I got a ldap server that serves a central /etc/passwd for a bunch of servers, I got shadowMax set to 120, but when I change my password with passwd from any server it doesn't update shadowLastChange (but it does update the password in LDAP), any ideas what this could be? |
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| 10:45.51 | geo-rge | junior moment? :) |
| 10:46.48 | rocketmagnet | the problem is the following: as normal user i can't run synapse, but the root use cannot find the display |
| 10:47.11 | rocketmagnet | also if i set the same $DISPLAY var as for the use (:0.0) |
| 10:47.22 | geo-rge | rocketmagnet: the x server is running as what user? |
| 10:47.23 | rocketmagnet | how to make root gain access to the display ? |
| 10:47.30 | rocketmagnet | not the root user |
| 10:47.37 | rocketmagnet | so i have a normal user for this |
| 10:47.50 | ustunozgur | how do I install a pdf writer/printer? I installed cups-pdf, set its user id, but foomatic-gui does not list it. |
| 10:47.51 | rocketmagnet | i don't want to run x with root privileges |
| 10:48.14 | ustunozgur | sudo nautilus? |
| 10:48.39 | rocketmagnet | same : cannot open display =( |
| 10:48.51 | geo-rge | -generally- (or, as a starting point), x prevents programs from being run by a user other than the user that's running x |
| 10:48.51 | ustunozgur | gksudo nautilus? |
| 10:49.08 | geo-rge | there are a few ways around this... |
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| 10:49.51 | liable | sux |
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| 10:50.21 | rocketmagnet | stuv@bytegate:~$ gksudo nautilus |
| 10:50.21 | rocketmagnet | postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 10:50.40 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: so, you are logged in X as a normal user, and want to start a graphical program with root privileges, rihjt? |
| 10:50.44 | geo-rge | you might need to install xbase-clients? |
| 10:50.47 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 10:50.50 | rocketmagnet | like synapse |
| 10:50.57 | rocketmagnet | to setup my linuxbox |
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| 10:51.49 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: what you mean with rihjt ??? |
| 10:51.56 | ustunozgur | right :) |
| 10:52.03 | rocketmagnet | oh =) - shure |
| 10:52.10 | ustunozgur | I missed by one character. |
| 10:52.21 | geo-rge | there are security issues... I assume either (1) you're going to research what they are and how they can affect you and/or (2) you don't care about them (behind a firewall or something) |
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| 10:53.23 | geo-rge | what's a dline? |
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| 10:54.48 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:54.48 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> hey isn't there some way to get a 4g file on fat32? like some different version of fat32 or something? |
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| 10:55.24 | ustunozgur | what is in your line in /etc/sudoers at the end? |
| 10:55.29 | geo-rge | hmm, lots of 4g file issues today |
| 10:56.01 | ustunozgur | for simplicity (and possibly danger), I just add "myusername ALL=(ALL) ALL" there. |
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| 10:56.44 | FruF | da bin ich wieder |
| 10:56.50 | geo-rge | !de |
| 10:56.50 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 10:57.05 | FruF | wer will mir diesma helfen ? |
| 10:57.18 | FruF | letztes mal hab ich geheult weil mein kernel böse war |
| 10:57.28 | geo-rge | see above. |
| 10:57.38 | cydork | FruF: read what dpkg said.. actuall read IT! |
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| 10:57.53 | ustunozgur | FruF: http://google.com/translate_t |
| 10:58.00 | cydork | s/actuall/actually/ :P |
| 10:58.08 | FruF | relax dudes |
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| 10:58.23 | FruF | so u wanna help me now ;) english fruf activatet |
| 10:58.28 | hark | what's wrong with it? |
| 10:58.31 | mcquaid | i have never had this problem before. all users except root cannot create new files |
| 10:58.54 | FruF | i am isntalling 3.1 debian linux from a floppy and i am alomst done |
| 10:58.57 | mcquaid | if i try to create a text file, it creates the file but it's empty |
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| 10:59.11 | FruF | now he is asking me to remove the running kernel ... |
| 10:59.30 | FruF | why would he do that ;) |
| 10:59.36 | mcquaid | if i reopen it and change it and try to save it, it says the one on the disc is newer, i overwrite anyway and close/reopen and it's still blank |
| 10:59.47 | mcquaid | no user can create a file except root |
| 11:00.28 | geo-rge | mcquaid: in a dir your nonroot user can write to? |
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| 11:01.29 | geo-rge | FruF: seems weird... maybe you're upgrading a kernel? |
| 11:02.19 | FruF | i did format before ! |
| 11:02.35 | FruF | maybe the installer itselfs wanna upgrade it |
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| 11:02.41 | geo-rge | I'm not saying that cannot happen, but usually the install kernel is the one that's installed |
| 11:02.44 | FruF | but if so should i try or say no |
| 11:03.02 | geo-rge | err the kernel on the boot media |
| 11:03.10 | nrdb | is there anyone using the xilinx webpack tool here ? |
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| 11:03.39 | FruF | my boot media is my hd |
| 11:03.53 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: after isntalling the ntfs-3g stuff, do i need to restart ? |
| 11:04.04 | geo-rge | ok, hmm, I haven't installed etch lately... |
| 11:04.05 | rocketmagnet | or do i just have to mount the device with the ntfs-3g ? |
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| 11:04.24 | FruF | i just say no and see what happens .. |
| 11:04.36 | FruF | last time i said yes it grup was all that was left |
| 11:04.37 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: just mount it. |
| 11:04.55 | geo-rge | ok, that seems reasonable... did you already reboot into your new system? |
| 11:05.11 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: with 'mount' or 'ntfs-3g' ? |
| 11:05.14 | ustunozgur | modify your /etc/fstab and mount with "mount -a" |
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| 11:05.25 | FruF | Fucking shit |
| 11:05.43 | geo-rge | seems a stinky thing to do |
| 11:05.44 | FruF | the installer cannot install any packets |
| 11:06.03 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: mine is "/dev/hda1 /media/sistem ntfs-3g rw,user 0 0" |
| 11:06.10 | geo-rge | any idea why? |
| 11:06.25 | rocketmagnet | ahhh - instead of 'auto' i have to use ntfs-3g ! |
| 11:06.35 | ustunozgur | geor-ge: are there Sarge repositories? |
| 11:06.42 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: yes |
| 11:06.51 | FruF | i will do a trial and error now pissing me off ... |
| 11:06.52 | geo-rge | sure, that will be oldstable for awhile |
| 11:07.17 | ustunozgur | so, maybe in his sources list, it is written as stable, not sarge. |
| 11:07.20 | geo-rge | if you want to stay with sarge awhile longer, you can do that and have some support still |
| 11:07.36 | ustunozgur | so, the package manager tries to pull stuff from etch actually. |
| 11:07.40 | ustunozgur | maybe. |
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| 11:07.56 | ustunozgur | FruF: what is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:08.12 | geo-rge | being pissed off is always better than being pissed on :) |
| 11:08.42 | FruF | just cheking |
| 11:08.43 | FruF | mom |
| 11:09.04 | FruF | lol ! |
| 11:09.07 | FruF | !!!! lol !!! |
| 11:09.11 | FruF | empty |
| 11:09.46 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: thank you it works now, i had to use the -o force stuff to make it wok |
| 11:09.49 | geo-rge | your mom is empty?! |
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| 11:09.51 | rocketmagnet | work |
| 11:09.58 | xand | FruF: calm down |
| 11:09.58 | geo-rge | what does that even mean? |
| 11:10.02 | FruF | mom = 1 moment 2. sources list is empty |
| 11:10.06 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: can you write as a normal user? |
| 11:10.14 | geo-rge | oh, I see |
| 11:10.25 | ustunozgur | ok, add some stuff into the sources list |
| 11:10.26 | rocketmagnet | mom |
| 11:10.43 | FruF | is this correct ? line ad deb http://ftp.debian.de.org/debian sarge |
| 11:10.43 | geo-rge | bob |
| 11:10.44 | FruF | ? |
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| 11:10.55 | omri | I'm having problems with dhcpd. I migrated from gentoo to debian etch and copied my dhcpd.conf from gentoo. I had a few problems I could solve myself and this one is a little problematic: May 3 14:09:13 localhost dhcpd: No subnet declaration for eth1 (172.27.70.129). |
| 11:11.03 | omri | I don't want dhcpd for eth1 |
| 11:11.03 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: yes, my normal user is able to read/write |
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| 11:11.15 | ustunozgur | well done then. |
| 11:11.15 | geo-rge | FruF: you need more at the end: main contrib non-free |
| 11:11.16 | rocketmagnet | thank you for your help man ! |
| 11:11.20 | rocketmagnet | =) |
| 11:11.28 | omri | oh, nvm :) |
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| 11:11.33 | omri | /etc/defaults/dhcpd :) |
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| 11:11.38 | rocketmagnet | i think the only thing left is that i need to set the privileges so also the user can mount the device |
| 11:11.38 | geo-rge | (or just main if you -only- want free software) |
| 11:11.39 | xand | omri: yes that |
| 11:11.39 | ustunozgur | no problem. remember to deactive the testing repositories if you want to stay in stable. |
| 11:11.47 | omri | xand, :) |
| 11:12.05 | omri | Stopping DHCP server: dhcp. |
| 11:12.05 | omri | Starting DHCP server: dhcpd. |
| 11:12.07 | omri | heh, is that a bug? :) |
| 11:12.08 | FruF | tx |
| 11:12.25 | geo-rge | I've been liking the practice of putting the codenames of the dists into sources.list instead of stable/whatever |
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| 11:12.36 | nop_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.43 | ustunozgur | FruF: why do you use Sarge? |
| 11:15.04 | FruF | how do i start the packetmaneger ? |
| 11:15.24 | FruF | becuase i only have floppy |
| 11:15.25 | FruF | no CD |
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| 11:15.41 | ustunozgur | OK, but at this point, you can upgrade to etch. |
| 11:15.51 | geo-rge | well one of the packet managers is apt-get |
| 11:16.20 | FruF | and how ` |
| 11:16.20 | FruF | @ update |
| 11:16.20 | ustunozgur | You have the basic system, right? |
| 11:16.20 | geo-rge | another is aptitude |
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| 11:16.21 | FruF | that one i ment |
| 11:16.21 | FruF | xx |
| 11:16.24 | ustunozgur | Then, change "sarge" in your sources.list with "etch". |
| 11:16.29 | FruF | yes not even a interface |
| 11:16.38 | FruF | ok |
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| 11:16.53 | ustunozgur | apt-get is pretty useful as well. |
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| 11:17.15 | ustunozgur | I think you should switch to Etch if you have a fast Internet connection. |
| 11:17.20 | geo-rge | so you presently have the base installed and you rebooted after it was installed, and it had you do a few housekeeping things? |
| 11:17.21 | FruF | i do =) |
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| 11:17.41 | rocketmagnet | what packages do i need to install to get Xlib.h ? |
| 11:17.45 | FruF | i have base now installed now i changed the dseb line to etch |
| 11:17.46 | geo-rge | disk space would be nice too |
| 11:17.48 | FruF | what now |
| 11:17.55 | FruF | 20 gigs |
| 11:17.55 | oberon | ustunozgur: how internet connection connect with etch and sarge? |
| 11:18.05 | geo-rge | FruF: ahh, plenty. |
| 11:18.09 | FruF | ;) |
| 11:18.29 | ustunozgur | oberon: just in case he will download a lot of files when upgrading. |
| 11:18.29 | zbychuk | I want to check if ipw2200 module was loaded witch hwcrypto=0 parameter. How to do that? |
| 11:18.30 | geo-rge | now you make your debian pull in the package lists: aptitude update |
| 11:18.52 | FruF | i did |
| 11:18.53 | oberon | ustunozgur: only upgrading. |
| 11:18.55 | geo-rge | these are just files with info |
| 11:19.06 | geo-rge | after changing the sources.list? |
| 11:19.11 | FruF | j |
| 11:19.13 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: do you may know what package i need for Xlib programming with Anjuta ? |
| 11:19.27 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: x with dev . |
| 11:19.29 | geo-rge | ok, try this then: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 11:19.43 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: how to invoke this with apt-get install x dev ? |
| 11:20.07 | geo-rge | (btw, the upgrade will be much shorter and cleaner if you just have the base of sarge installed at the moment)( |
| 11:20.23 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: it will be like libx11-dev |
| 11:20.34 | rocketmagnet | ah |
| 11:20.35 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 11:20.41 | zbychuk | How to check if ipw2200 module was loaded with hwcrypto=0 parameter? |
| 11:20.47 | FruF | ok he is working like a busy bee now =) |
| 11:20.53 | geo-rge | after this you should have etch base or maybe a little more |
| 11:21.00 | ustunozgur | usually .h (header files) are in -dev packages. |
| 11:21.00 | FruF | loading @ 700kBs |
| 11:21.38 | ustunozgur | FruF: have you changed sources.list to etch? |
| 11:21.46 | geo-rge | should be done in a few mins then |
| 11:22.00 | geo-rge | ustunozgur: he said he did, and then updated |
| 11:22.45 | FruF | i changed my line deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sarge (changed to etch) main and the line i added (same start just with contrib non-free) |
| 11:23.06 | geo-rge | ok |
| 11:23.11 | geo-rge | sounds good |
| 11:23.27 | FruF | i deletet the # before 1. line |
| 11:23.29 | ustunozgur | you don't actually need to put them in separate lines. |
| 11:23.43 | ustunozgur | you can go like "main contrib non-free" |
| 11:23.43 | FruF | ... what do i want ;) wow kde or gnome ;;) |
| 11:23.49 | itchi | Is 'nis' secure? I mean, is the data encrypted when a client 'ask' for a password? |
| 11:23.50 | ustunozgur | xfce |
| 11:23.57 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: hm, i also need the glib and libtools =( |
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| 11:24.31 | rocketmagnet | is there a way to search with apt-get for certain package names ??? |
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| 11:24.38 | geo-rge | I kinda like to have each of main, contrib and non-free on separate lines... then, there can be a chance of downloading many packages at once |
| 11:24.39 | x09f91102 | no |
| 11:24.46 | x09f91102 | but apt-cache can d that |
| 11:24.48 | x09f91102 | *do |
| 11:24.49 | ustunozgur | apt-cache search |
| 11:25.07 | geo-rge | apt-cache search bronto-burger |
| 11:25.16 | ustunozgur | also http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.tr.html#search_packages |
| 11:25.34 | FruF | is this still about me ? =) |
| 11:25.53 | geo-rge | no... it's about brontoburgers! |
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| 11:26.08 | ustunozgur | FruF: try xfce instead of gnome or kde. |
| 11:26.08 | FruF | =) |
| 11:26.18 | FruF | too late m8 it wasn on the list |
| 11:26.48 | FruF | kde gnome test only or edit i think where the choices |
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| 11:26.55 | geo-rge | anyways, have fun... seems like you're going now |
| 11:27.05 | FruF | thanks anyway |
| 11:27.10 | FruF | i doubt that im done ;) |
| 11:27.20 | nescius | oh my, this new stable is kind crapy :] |
| 11:27.28 | Ronin | nescius: not |
| 11:27.30 | scx | buona sera |
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| 11:27.42 | geo-rge | well of course not.... but installing will happen over the course of your use as well as at point of initial install |
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| 11:28.10 | rocketmagnet | i can't find the glib package name |
| 11:28.12 | FruF | well when i have a visual interface running today im happy |
| 11:28.28 | geo-rge | glibc? |
| 11:28.33 | cydork | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:28.34 | rocketmagnet | no |
| 11:28.34 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: libglib2.0-dev |
| 11:28.57 | ustunozgur | no? |
| 11:29.04 | nescius | cp mv and ls are not working because of badly installed libacl1, at least i managed to install the ssh so i can use fish in konqueror, but i found this quite unusable |
| 11:29.08 | rocketmagnet | not the glibc |
| 11:29.29 | Ronin | then its somethign you did i bet nescius, works fine here and your the first ive seen having that problem |
| 11:29.30 | rocketmagnet | glib for gtk stuff (i try to run a basic x11 programm from anjuta) |
| 11:29.45 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 11:30.18 | geo-rge | anyways.... I'm out... |
| 11:30.42 | FruF | ok |
| 11:30.48 | FruF | apparently the update is done |
| 11:30.57 | FruF | what now startx aintworking |
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| 11:31.05 | Alarm | hello. i managed easily to install beryl on my debian , but somehow everything goes really slow. mostly when i open my tv application, the picture goes in a really slow frame rate. i got a P4 northwood 3.06ghz , 512mb ram , and nvidia mx440 128mb . could be something i forgot to add in the xorg file maybe or my system isnt just too fast for it ? |
| 11:31.12 | xerophyte | how can i find the disk statistic under debian ? |
| 11:31.34 | wols | Alarm: you do use nvidia drivers? |
| 11:31.39 | cydork | xerophyte: you mean iostat? |
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| 11:31.51 | wols | can your tv app use something else than a overlay? |
| 11:31.52 | nescius | Ronin, i've tried to install it from repositories for about 5times and failed everytime bacause of some package, i installed it once again only from cd and failed again but it booted up at least |
| 11:32.02 | Alarm | wols, yes, nvidia drivers are correctly installed. glxinfo shows ok, i see the logo and so on |
| 11:32.05 | xerophyte | cydork, thx |
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| 11:32.20 | Alarm | Wols what do you mean with the tv app ? |
| 11:32.39 | Alarm | actually , i see also the effects sometimes not going in real time, but having some delay |
| 11:32.42 | wols | I mean the output mode of your tv app |
| 11:32.45 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: hmm... do you may also know for what library the Xpm is standing for (and what packes i need=) |
| 11:33.18 | Alarm | or as u said i may think that the drivers of nvidia are correctly installed , but they are not or something is missing. although i doubt it |
| 11:33.18 | ustunozgur | FruF: install gnome or kde or xfce AND gdm. |
| 11:33.19 | FruF | SHIT again FruF needs help i rebootet now i have "grub>" here what do i do ? |
| 11:33.26 | FruF | i just did ! |
| 11:33.56 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: what do you exactly want to do? |
| 11:34.08 | FruF | when i try to boot is sais "kernel must be loaded" |
| 11:34.26 | wols | FruF: your menu.lst is missing or wrong |
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| 11:34.29 | Mazingaro | please help me, I got 3.1 unstable then switched sources.list to 4.0 stable (apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade) but now I got, on console login screen: Debian GNU/Linux sid/lenny... How can I fix it? |
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| 11:34.53 | lkthomas | doing dist-upgrade now |
| 11:34.56 | lkthomas | hopfully nothing happen |
| 11:34.57 | wols | Mazingaro: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 11:35.06 | FruF | well thanks @ wols but this happened 3 times in a row now |
| 11:35.06 | wols | Mazingaro: and paste your sources.list |
| 11:35.10 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: i want to start writting opengl x11 applications |
| 11:35.17 | Mazingaro | wols: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:35.20 | rocketmagnet | so i need the basic librarys |
| 11:35.25 | nescius | Ronin, 'pkgsel' it was |
| 11:35.33 | wols | FruF: where is your kernel, on what partition? |
| 11:35.36 | rocketmagnet | but i don't know for what the -lXpm is standing for in the makefile |
| 11:35.41 | rocketmagnet | i don't know this lib |
| 11:35.49 | FruF | i only have on ! hd0 |
| 11:35.53 | wols | rocketmagnet: libXpm |
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| 11:36.00 | wols | FruF: answer my question please |
| 11:36.01 | rocketmagnet | oh.. |
| 11:36.04 | jwisher | how can i restart vsftpd on debian? |
| 11:36.05 | cydork | rocketmagnet: search for Xpm.so ? |
| 11:36.08 | rocketmagnet | wols: what is it for ? |
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| 11:36.19 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about search |
| 11:36.22 | wols | it will englighten you |
| 11:36.25 | Mazingaro | Wols? |
| 11:36.25 | Ronin | jwisher: same as most things /etc/init.d/vsftpd start/stop/restart |
| 11:36.34 | FruF | wols : i just formatet the hd ! then installed sarge then updatet to etch |
| 11:36.42 | rocketmagnet | apt-get install libXpm does not work =( =( |
| 11:36.45 | FruF | so only 1 hd and only 1 partiotion |
| 11:36.47 | outlaw84 | I am having some problems running an application, the application says it cant find libcups.so.2 but the file is located at /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 what could I do? |
| 11:36.49 | omri | I'm having troubles with the iptables saving mechanism; it doesn't save my rules on restart |
| 11:36.49 | jwisher | i tried that, but it says 500 OOPS: vsftpd: cannot open config file:stop |
| 11:36.55 | omri | what to do? |
| 11:36.59 | jwisher | this is a packaged install via apt-get |
| 11:37.06 | Ronin | jwisher: check the config then |
| 11:37.14 | lkthomas | anyone upgrade from sarge to etch ? |
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| 11:37.19 | omri | outlaw84, ldconfig -v | grep libcups |
| 11:37.25 | tarzeau | lkthomas: many people, yes |
| 11:37.34 | lkthomas | tarzeau, I am doing it |
| 11:37.40 | lkthomas | I really hope it wouldn't breaks |
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| 11:37.43 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: hi |
| 11:37.43 | wols | FruF: if you can't answer my question I can't help you |
| 11:37.54 | FruF | i cannot ! |
| 11:38.00 | FruF | bettter than this .. |
| 11:38.02 | wols | sucks to be you |
| 11:38.05 | nescius | screw that, i am going downgrade back to 3.1 |
| 11:38.13 | wols | !downgrade |
| 11:38.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 11:38.16 | nescius | which is somehow working |
| 11:38.24 | tarzeau | hi Mazingaro |
| 11:38.31 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: my sparc's ok |
| 11:38.36 | nescius | wols, of course it is! rm -rf / |
| 11:38.44 | Ronin | serioulsy nescius keep at it, got a co-worker that just isntalled etch this weekend on 4 different boxs with no problems |
| 11:38.51 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I dunno what it was, for now I don't turn it off |
| 11:39.04 | wols | Mazingaro: I just wanted to make sure you still run stable software and not unstable. grep -r unstable /etc/* |
| 11:39.06 | rocketmagnet | i have some troubles with my mysql server, also if i do apt-get remove mysql-server it fails =( |
| 11:39.19 | omri | my iptables rules aren't being saved on reboot; what's the problem? |
| 11:39.20 | wols | !tell rocketmagnet about errors |
| 11:39.28 | tarzeau | wols: huh? |
| 11:39.29 | nescius | Ronin, i dont have enough line for more cds, tried only to install xfce version |
| 11:39.38 | outlaw84 | omri: I run the command it says libcups.so.2 -> libcups.so.2 amongst other stuff |
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| 11:40.19 | wols | tarzeau: his box shows testing/unstable after updating to etch. or so he says |
| 11:40.21 | omri | outlaw84, before we keep examing it, is it possible that the application you're running is 32bits on a 64bits installation? |
| 11:40.30 | Mazingaro | wols: I should paste it |
| 11:40.33 | tarzeau | wols: i have nothing todo with it |
| 11:41.03 | wols | tarzeau: that's what you say. I know better |
| 11:41.21 | wols | nescius: downgrade != reinstall btw :) |
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| 11:41.28 | outlaw84 | omri: well it is... I am seting up NX server.. the server it selfe works really nicely but there are problems with the printint |
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| 11:41.37 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: can't you still open synaptic |
| 11:41.37 | nescius | wols, i know, thanks for help :) |
| 11:41.41 | omri | outlaw84, that's your problem |
| 11:41.43 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: thank you for your help, i got it |
| 11:41.45 | Mazingaro | wols: http://pastebin.ca/468813 |
| 11:41.57 | omri | 32bits binaries won't work with 64bits libs |
| 11:42.16 | rocketmagnet | apt-get install libxpm-dev (found with apt-cache search libxpm) - thanks again! |
| 11:42.25 | omri | you need to put the 32bit library in your 32bit lib dirs |
| 11:42.34 | Mazingaro | wols: ok? |
| 11:42.43 | rocketmagnet | no i go on trying to create the first simple xlib & gl app =) |
| 11:43.15 | wols | Mazingaro: not really. it should be in /etc/debian_version IIRC |
| 11:43.24 | outlaw84 | omri: so basically I should install the cups 32-bit files? |
| 11:43.24 | ustunozgur | Btw, keep in mind that these kind of headers and libraries are found in "Development" and "Libraries" section in Synaptic. |
| 11:43.40 | omri | outlaw84, I'm not sure, I think it'd put the files in the wrong location |
| 11:43.51 | Mazingaro | wols: lenny/sid |
| 11:43.51 | omri | what I suggest you to do is manually extract the .deb of the 32 bits version |
| 11:43.58 | omri | and put the libs in /lib32 |
| 11:44.04 | omri | then run ldconfig |
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| 11:44.19 | greatme | hi, what exactly is exim4 ? should I have it installed? |
| 11:44.27 | outlaw84 | omri: yea I did something like that for libstd |
| 11:44.34 | Mazingaro | wols: is there a way to know wich file is owned by a package? |
| 11:44.35 | omri | there you go :) |
| 11:44.49 | sep | omri, if you dont use a spesific iptables frontend you can script your own init.d script for iptables. iptables-save and iptables-restore should make the job simple |
| 11:44.50 | omri | Mazingaro, dpkg -L package |
| 11:44.53 | omri | or dpkg -S file |
| 11:44.54 | cydork | Mazingaro: dpkg -S filename |
| 11:44.57 | wols | Mazingaro: dpkg -L package |
| 11:45.01 | outlaw84 | thats probably why the rest of the NX server is working :) |
| 11:45.09 | Mazingaro | -L shows files in a package |
| 11:45.12 | omri | sep, yes, I know, but there used to be a pre made /etc/inti.d/iptables script |
| 11:45.16 | tarzeau | there's no etch backports of oo.org 2.2 right? |
| 11:45.23 | omri | I've read now it's integrated in if-up,if-down |
| 11:45.29 | omri | doesn't seem to work for me though |
| 11:45.30 | wols | Mazingaro: that is what you asked IIRC |
| 11:45.45 | wols | probably not what you meant tho |
| 11:45.49 | Quiark | hi, will I be able to install debian if I only download and burn the first DVD ? assuming I will have internet connection available during the installation thanks |
| 11:46.15 | Mazingaro | wols: no I mean: I've got a file and want to know to which package it depends |
| 11:46.16 | ustunozgur | Quiark, yes. |
| 11:46.17 | wols | Quiark: yes. you can use netinstall which is only 150MB in size |
| 11:46.21 | FruF | WOLS : my PArtition 1. Primary 10GB ext3 / |
| 11:46.29 | wols | Mazingaro: youve been already answered |
| 11:46.35 | wols | FruF: sda1 or hda1 ? |
| 11:46.39 | FruF | hda |
| 11:46.41 | ustunozgur | Quiark: DVD has much more than you would want. |
| 11:46.52 | Mazingaro | wols: eg /etc/X11/xorg.conf is in xserver-xorg-common ... |
| 11:46.53 | wols | FruF: root (hd0,0) |
| 11:47.05 | stew | Mazingaro: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:47.15 | Quiark | yes, but I already have a blank DVD .. so why not utilize it completely :) |
| 11:47.16 | wols | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-386 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 11:47.18 | wols | boot |
| 11:47.27 | Mazingaro | steve: thanks is -S option |
| 11:47.30 | Mazingaro | stew: thanks is -S option |
| 11:47.35 | wols | Quiark: cause you need to download 4.7GB which is mostly useless |
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| 11:47.52 | Yaroon | Did anything change with Postfix in Lenny? |
| 11:47.56 | ustunozgur | Quiark: OK if you have a fast connection. |
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| 11:48.00 | Mazingaro | wols: is in base-files |
| 11:48.09 | Yaroon | Because it doesn't receive mail anymore after last night's upgrade |
| 11:48.10 | wols | Mazingaro: what is? |
| 11:48.11 | Quiark | the thing is that I have a rather slow connection at home whereas at school where I am now it is much faster |
| 11:48.14 | tarzeau | Yaroon: possible, checked packages.debian.org/postfix yet? |
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| 11:48.27 | Mazingaro | wols: dpkg -l base-files |
| 11:48.35 | ustunozgur | I, for example, reach 3 Mbytes /sec at university. |
| 11:48.35 | Quiark | so I would download one DVD, install whats on the first disc from it and download the rest from the internet at home |
| 11:48.37 | Mazingaro | wols: ii base-files 4.0 Debian base system miscellaneous files |
| 11:48.41 | kairu0 | anyone recommend a gtk bittorrent client? (so far azureus is too heavy and deluge not mature enough) |
| 11:49.01 | Yaroon | tarzeau: excuse me? |
| 11:49.11 | wols | Yaroon: checked BTS? your logs? |
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| 11:49.21 | tarzeau | Yaroon: http://packages.debian.org/postfix |
| 11:49.34 | Mazingaro | wols: I try to reinstall it but apt-get told me that it isn't downloadable! |
| 11:49.57 | Yaroon | I'm thinking more about a configuration change that was needed to make the most recent postfix in lenny work, or something... |
| 11:49.57 | tarzeau | Yaroon: there you see lenny has 2.4.0-2 and etch has 2.3.8-2+b1 |
| 11:49.57 | stew | tarzeau: also http://packages.qa.debian.org/postfix and http://changelogs.debian.net/postfix |
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| 11:50.38 | tarzeau | Yaroon: yes there is a difference, the details are in the changelogs |
| 11:50.38 | wols | Mazingaro: imho your sources.list or your mirror(s) are fucked :) |
| 11:50.39 | wols | Mazingaro: official debian mirror? |
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| 11:51.08 | tarzeau | stew: oh i didn't know the c.d.n, nice |
| 11:51.31 | FruF | WOLS Error 15 File not found after kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-386 root=/dev/hda1 |
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| 11:52.33 | ustunozgur | which hibernating system is more reliable? |
| 11:52.53 | ustunozgur | The hibernate script sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, for me in my laptop. |
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| 11:54.01 | DrCurl | hi |
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| 11:54.36 | wols | FruF: try /vmlinuz then |
| 11:54.47 | FruF | i have sarge ! |
| 11:54.58 | blue_sky | stable has got two versions of postgresql, 7.4.16 and 8.1.8, any idea why two versions? If I want to install, should I go with 8.1.8? |
| 11:55.04 | zapalotta | how can I disable console outpust on TTYs other than TTY0? |
| 11:55.12 | scx | crap, this is the 12th mouse in 3 years... |
| 11:55.13 | wols | FruF: what kernel do you have? |
| 11:55.14 | DrCurl | I installed debian etch and I'm running afterstep on it. I discovered the super fast s2ram program. Is there a way to launch it without being root? AS doesn't have things like gksu... |
| 11:55.36 | wols | FruF: "help" gives the available commands. I think there is a "ls" kinda command among there |
| 11:55.41 | FruF | i was wrong @ wols solly ! |
| 11:55.43 | ustunozgur | zapalotta: see /etc/inittab |
| 11:55.49 | FruF | i have newest etch |
| 11:55.52 | FruF | kernel |
| 11:55.58 | wols | FruF: what arch? |
| 11:56.02 | wols | or cpu? |
| 11:56.06 | ustunozgur | and man inittab. |
| 11:56.06 | FruF | 1000 hz |
| 11:56.10 | FruF | intel |
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| 11:56.13 | kairu0 | blue_sky, a lot of programs have had 2 versions (php, apache, squid...) go with the newer version unless you have data to migrate first |
| 11:56.23 | zapalotta | ustunozgur: I already checked that, but I still want to be abloe to login on TTY2 etc. but I don't want the main console output everywhere |
| 11:56.59 | blue_sky | kairu0, OK, I guessed it was to provide those who need to migrate the opportunity not to until they want to, just wanted to make sure. Thanks. |
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| 11:57.08 | FruF | u know what ? dont bather ill try install again ... but tell me this : i get asked if u want to remove my kernel every time ! yes or no |
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| 11:57.26 | wols | FruF: when do you get asked? |
| 11:57.35 | wols | and: reinstalling is, sorry, stupid |
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| 11:57.51 | wols | that way you don't learn anything.except how to change CDs |
| 11:57.58 | FruF | i have no CD |
| 11:58.01 | FruF | only floppy |
| 11:58.06 | wols | whatever |
| 11:58.13 | Mazingaro | wols: I did change debian_version :) to eth |
| 11:58.17 | Mazingaro | wols: I did change debian_version :) to etch |
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| 11:58.22 | FruF | cu suckhead --- great help |
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| 11:58.49 | Ronin | well thats one way to get help i guess |
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| 11:59.05 | wols | a fellow citizen of my country even |
| 11:59.06 | fireba11 | Ronin: all depends on what kind of help you want :-D |
| 11:59.23 | Ronin | going to be interesting when they come back i bet :) |
| 11:59.28 | ustunozgur | zapalotta: what do you mean "everywhere"? |
| 12:00.09 | zapalotta | ustunozgur: on any virtual TTY I get some error messages from the kernel etc. |
| 12:00.39 | zapalotta | on FreeBSD I only get those messages on TTY0 (Alt-F1), but when I switch to TTY1 I can work as usual |
| 12:01.06 | ustunozgur | could you paste your /etc/inittab in pastebin? |
| 12:01.11 | zapalotta | the server isn't starting up correctly and I cannot access it from here (no ssh) |
| 12:01.17 | wols | zapalotta: less /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 12:01.42 | zapalotta | the guy over there has a little Linux knowledge but cannot do anything because the konsole's are flooded by error messages |
| 12:02.12 | xand | zapalotta: dmesg -n1 |
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| 12:02.59 | wols | zapalotta: see what I just wrote |
| 12:03.11 | zapalotta | xand: as I said, you cannot read anything on that screen (or even use an editor) because it is flooded with errors |
| 12:03.22 | zapalotta | and I cannot paste because I'm 30km away from that box |
| 12:03.24 | zapalotta | :) |
| 12:03.27 | ustunozgur | what does he do with consoles if he has little Linux knowloedge? |
| 12:03.29 | xand | zapalotta: that will switch them off |
| 12:03.39 | Appiah | trying to learn ? =) |
| 12:03.43 | zapalotta | ah :) |
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| 12:04.51 | ustunozgur | zapalotta: can't he login to X? |
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| 12:05.54 | zapalotta | ustunozgur: there's no X on that server |
| 12:06.22 | zapalotta | I cannot reach him ATM, I guess he's in the server room again, I'm waiting for his response |
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| 12:08.00 | brian | hey |
| 12:08.07 | brian | i need a init script for lighttpd |
| 12:08.11 | ustunozgur | zapaloota: can he at least login in tty1? |
| 12:08.35 | Yaroon | Is there somewhere where we can re-read those messages offering choices during apt-get'ing something? |
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| 12:08.56 | flart | hi |
| 12:09.01 | liable | Yaroon: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 12:09.34 | flart | if i want to build a mirror with reprepro, is it possible to have sarge and etch in the same basedir? |
| 12:09.34 | ustunozgur | if he can, just tell him to write what xand suggested. Even though it is intercepted with messages, the command will work. |
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| 12:29.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 12:29.48 | liable | dpkg: talk to me |
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| 12:30.14 | liable | stupid fucking bot must have me on ignore |
| 12:30.26 | liable | i dont even recall abusing it recently |
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| 12:30.36 | Ronin | heh |
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| 12:30.40 | Ronin | !gotd0 |
| 12:30.43 | loesh | proactive ignore? |
| 12:30.49 | Ronin | maybe its on a work to rule? |
| 12:31.09 | omri | I've configured my pptp-linux the debian way (added a tunnel interface in /etc/network/interfaces); how do I get it to reconnect upon disconnection? |
| 12:32.03 | Quiark | I have an AMD 64bit processor, so should I download the AMD64 version ? will 32bit binary programs work as well ? |
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| 12:33.08 | dererk[work] | I have this _serious_ trouble, that is making me mad |
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| 12:33.45 | dererk[work] | I've dpkg telling me "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." |
| 12:34.03 | dererk[work] | But, I've done about 10 times the damn configure |
| 12:34.15 | dererk[work] | and It always starts as nothing happened |
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| 12:34.25 | scanwinder | in debian etch 4.0r0, i cant get the proprietary ati driver v8.28.8 working, it seems it depends on xserver-xorg 7.0.99 when etch has 7.1.0-16, does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 12:34.33 | _iOops | help |
| 12:36.11 | dererk[work] | every of the 10 times, reconfigures, restarts, asks, exactly the same |
| 12:36.11 | stew | dererk[work]: show us the output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:36.11 | tarzeau | scanwinder: sell the ati card and get an nvidia one? |
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| 12:36.12 | dererk[work] | stew, It configures a _lot_ of packages |
| 12:36.12 | dererk[work] | about, 20 |
| 12:36.12 | dererk[work] | impossible to paste |
| 12:36.13 | stew | impossible? |
| 12:36.13 | dererk[work] | It uses dialog |
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| 12:36.14 | dererk[work] | so, I can't paste the whole thing |
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| 12:36.14 | stew | dererk[work]: you'll have to get us more information somehow |
| 12:36.15 | scanwinder | tarzeau: ive been thinking about doing that but, it will still cost me...im a student, i dont have much money |
| 12:36.43 | dererk[work] | stew, I know, I know |
| 12:37.03 | dererk[work] | It's that I don't know what to do |
| 12:37.18 | dererk[work] | ok, I'll set console, instead of dialog |
| 12:37.22 | dererk[work] | and try to paste it |
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| 12:40.15 | dererk[work] | damn |
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| 12:40.36 | dererk[work] | seems to be solved, when I changed debconf dialogs from dialog to readline |
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| 12:41.09 | dererk[work] | lol |
| 12:41.09 | dererk[work] | stew, :D |
| 12:41.09 | dererk[work] | this IS strange :\ |
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| 12:44.49 | Reiser2 | sorry |
| 12:45.02 | dererk[work] | jeje |
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| 12:46.59 | samyboy | Hi, is there a was to disable ipv6 without rebooting ? |
| 12:47.07 | doudou | Hi, i finished reinstall ... i took almost hours (ftp is slow), now su works in xterm, but it is like having used atomic bomb to kill a fly, anyhow it did not work as written in reinstall |
| 12:47.26 | tarzeau | samyboy: unload the modules? |
| 12:47.35 | doudou | msg reinstall |
| 12:47.37 | samyboy | is that all ? |
| 12:47.39 | doudou | ! reinstall |
| 12:47.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 12:48.51 | mfrisch | A bad boot sector and overlapping partitions are hard disk failure problems correct?? |
| 12:48.54 | doudou | in fct "dpkg --set-selections" says it is not recognised |
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| 12:49.44 | doudou | i think that to translate all system command is not pertinent because i am not able to tell exactly what is written because it is tranlated in my language |
| 12:49.52 | mfrisch | doudou: you cloning a box? |
| 12:49.56 | doudou | how can i change this feature |
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| 12:50.22 | doudou | mfrisch only trying to understand things |
| 12:50.29 | mfrisch | doudou: locales settings may help reconfiguring locales |
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| 12:52.00 | mfrisch | doudou: and X sessions also have locales settings too |
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| 12:52.23 | uRAN0_wORKz | hello |
| 12:52.38 | uRAN0_wORKz | there is an Italian ?? :P |
| 12:52.44 | stew | !it |
| 12:52.44 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 12:52.58 | uRAN0_wORKz | xfect |
| 12:52.59 | uRAN0_wORKz | thanks |
| 12:53.01 | doudou | mfrisch, i will search to see how to set locales, man did not spoke enought to me |
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| 12:53.17 | massctrl | anyone knows his ways around with mdadm and partitioning etc,... |
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| 12:53.37 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 12:53.38 | mfrisch | doudou: for debian you would do dpkg-reconfigure locales as root |
| 12:54.02 | tarzeau | hey ribnitz |
| 12:54.06 | mfrisch | massctrl: by hand or by the installer? |
| 12:54.34 | massctrl | mfrisch: by hand |
| 12:54.42 | doudou | mfrisch, while reinstalling all my packages i could not stop thinking this : how many useful algorithms is there really (maybe 100), could you imagine how many library there are and they almost are doing the same thing |
| 12:54.42 | ribnitz | I am looking for an app that can play audio files; but which supports multiple versions of the same file. Ie. if you have a song as an mp3 and a flac, by default, it will chose the flac. |
| 12:55.05 | ghenry | anyway to work round things like: The following packages have unmet dependencies: gcc-4.0: Depends: binutils (>= 2.16.1cvs20051214) but 2.15-6 is to be installed |
| 12:55.06 | ribnitz | tarzeau: how are things; survived easter? |
| 12:55.12 | zamuro | !iceape |
| 12:55.13 | dpkg | it has been said that iceape is The Iceape Internet Suite is an unbranded Seamonkey Internet Suite suitable for free distribution. The Seamonkey Internet Suite is a set of Internet oriented applications. It is the continuity of the Mozilla Suite after it has been abandoned in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 12:55.25 | ghenry | trying to get things compiled, but keep getting: multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
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| 12:55.38 | ghenry | most folks upgrade gcc and this error goes. |
| 12:55.38 | tarzeau | ribnitz: you could accomplish this using some commandline tool that takes files as input, and sorts out the ones that you don't want |
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| 12:55.47 | tarzeau | ribnitz: and giving that list to some player, say ocp (opencubicplayer) |
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| 12:56.04 | Tino | Could someone help me with pure-ftpd debian package ? |
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| 12:56.34 | ferro | hi |
| 12:56.38 | Tino | I want to know if pure-ftpd is installed with large files support |
| 12:56.54 | Tino | I did "apt-get source pure-ftpd" |
| 12:56.57 | ribnitz | tarzeau: does that also work with a music collection over several gb, and where the files may not bear the same name, and perhaps not even have id-tags? |
| 12:57.04 | ferro | with latest xorg, i can not install ati driver |
| 12:57.09 | mfrisch | tarzeau: is ocp packaged?? |
| 12:57.10 | Tino | then looked for a debian/rules file but none found |
| 12:57.11 | tarzeau | ribnitz: no |
| 12:57.12 | ferro | do you know anyway to install it? |
| 12:57.14 | doudou | mfrisch thanks for dkpg-reconfigure locales, what is locale for usa? it is the mainly used one ? |
| 12:57.16 | tarzeau | mfrisch: yes, since many months |
| 12:57.30 | Tino | cd .. |
| 12:57.33 | tarzeau | mfrisch: since one year actually: http://changelogs.debian.net/ocp |
| 12:57.34 | Tino | oops |
| 12:57.46 | ferro | becouse say that xorg version is not property to that ati driver |
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| 12:58.31 | mfrisch | tarzeau: will check it out |
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| 12:58.41 | ribnitz | tarzeau: that script would need to be backed by a database, and a toolset able to lookup/tag audio files. Plus perhaps some way to say that file A is better than file B. |
| 12:58.51 | hound | I use a dual-core AMD proccessor and I'm trying to set the smp_affinity in /proc/irq/ but giving it a new value doesn't change it. Does anyone know why that might be? |
| 12:58.51 | liable | ferro: you need to hold your xserver version when it worked untill fglrx gets fixed |
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| 12:59.03 | jackinson | jetscreamer & liable: I am back due to unfortunity. I accidently deleted the files under /boot. But all files are well under /boot/grub/ folder. So now due to file lost, I could not boot into Debian, requesting help. |
| 12:59.04 | doudou | mfrisch i found it |
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| 12:59.28 | liable | jackinson: reinstall the kernel |
| 12:59.46 | ribnitz | Why do I need the whole KDE if I just want k3b? |
| 12:59.54 | liable | you dont\ |
| 13:00.11 | jackinson | liable: ok, now I am going to do. |
| 13:00.17 | freespace | you need the kde libraries |
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| 13:00.44 | doudou | mfrisch en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:01.06 | mfrisch | jackinson: use a live cd chroot into the box reinstall a new kernel then reinstall grub into the mbr |
| 13:01.33 | liable | jackinson: did you actually have a bootable system at any stage? |
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| 13:01.55 | mfrisch | What is a good solution (debian) for backing up ntfs? |
| 13:02.10 | tarzeau | mfrisch: via network or offline? |
| 13:03.16 | mfrisch | I need to set up a cross-over between my box and my friends, partimage will work but I would perfer something cleaner, even browsable. |
| 13:03.28 | wols | mfrisch: mondo perhaps |
| 13:04.16 | mfrisch | wols: aah mondo is new to me THANKS |
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| 13:05.11 | mfrisch | wols: no live-cd?? |
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| 13:06.07 | libervisco | Hi |
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| 13:06.35 | libervisco | Is there an official Debian livecd? |
| 13:06.46 | tarzeau | libervisco: of debian? |
| 13:06.53 | libervisco | of course |
| 13:07.06 | tarzeau | libervisco: there's live cds based on official debian w/ live-package, live-helper... livecd.gnustep.org is the one i made |
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| 13:07.40 | libervisco | tarzeau, so it installs genuine, clean, vanilla, debian? :) |
| 13:08.05 | tarzeau | libervisco: it can do so, if you do so w/ cdebootstrap |
| 13:08.17 | sanelson | ffsgrr - nwolb.co.uk rejecting iceweasel |
| 13:08.23 | tarzeau | it comes with a hand ful tools useful for system recovery (lilo, grub and some more filesystem tools) |
| 13:08.29 | libervisco | I think Debian Project should really make a one official livecd.. shouldn't be too hard |
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| 13:08.41 | tarzeau | libervisco: why don't you make one? |
| 13:08.53 | Tino | there is a Debian live cd project |
| 13:08.53 | stew | libervisco: live.debian.net |
| 13:08.54 | libervisco | I guess I don't have the know-how.. |
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| 13:09.03 | sanelson | http://reporter.mozilla.org/app/report/?report_id=RMO11748207674973 ? anyone know how to get round this? |
| 13:09.15 | tarzeau | libervisco: you can get the know how by reading |
| 13:09.20 | sanelson | can one get iceweasel to spoof some other user agent? |
| 13:09.28 | libervisco | tarzeau, right |
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| 13:09.34 | libervisco | maybe I don't have the time.. |
| 13:09.36 | libervisco | hmm |
| 13:09.43 | stew | sanelson: you can, via an extension |
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| 13:10.01 | tarzeau | libervisco: maybe others don't have the time either |
| 13:10.13 | tarzeau | libervisco: do you have the money to pay someone, say at www.debian.org/consultants ? |
| 13:10.24 | themill_ | sanelson: User Agent Switcher |
| 13:10.38 | libervisco | tarzeau, not right now.. |
| 13:10.57 | libervisco | I would consider something like that though |
| 13:11.05 | libervisco | if or once I had money.. |
| 13:11.16 | jackinson | liable & mfrisch: I tried installing kernel, but I get message " .... is already the newest version" |
| 13:11.33 | liable | jackinson: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 13:11.55 | jackinson | liable * mifrisch: I tried apt-get remove and then apt-get install, but I got error and exit while remove process, and also the next install is also says same message " ... is already the newsst version" |
| 13:12.04 | jackinson | liable: ok , now i try this |
| 13:12.24 | libervisco | stew, is there a 64bit live.debian? |
| 13:12.55 | jackinson | liabel: now seems to be working |
| 13:13.05 | Mazingaro | please, does anyyone know where to find debian netboot installation for indigo2 (mips)? thanks |
| 13:13.05 | jackinson | liable: soon back, after checking. |
| 13:13.41 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: hey i've got an indigo2 also! |
| 13:13.52 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: buahahah |
| 13:13.59 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: with debian on it? |
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| 13:14.12 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: i've got some notes about sgi mips here http://www.linuks.mine.nu/o2r10k/readme |
| 13:14.22 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: well i just got the 13w3c adapter today, will try tonight |
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| 13:14.42 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: what cpu do you have in yours? which color is the case? memory? |
| 13:15.08 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: greenish case, R44K 128MB |
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| 13:15.31 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: does it say it's an R4400? |
| 13:15.42 | jackinson | liable & mfrisch: I got the working system back. Thank you. You are all so helpful people. I have one more thing missing, I always get "debian login:" prompt after booting, instead of graphical login window. I do not know how to enable this. So until now I try "startx" after login to get Visual Debian. |
| 13:15.43 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: IP22 |
| 13:15.45 | jackinson | ? |
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| 13:17.32 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: could also be R5000 or R8000? |
| 13:17.43 | tarzeau | even R10k (but these are not greenish) |
| 13:18.09 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: can you use a keyboard/monitor or only serial port? |
| 13:18.09 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: monitor |
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| 13:18.14 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: X? Sound? |
| 13:18.22 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: monitor and keyboard I got IRIX 6.5.22 on it |
| 13:18.31 | libervisco | hmm is ia64 intel 64bit? |
| 13:18.45 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: it is an amzing machine |
| 13:18.48 | libervisco | or should I go for amd64 for Intel Core2Duo? |
| 13:19.07 | doudou | i would like to listen stereo wave files with debian, but i would like to be able to send numeric signal to 2 amplifiers, one for left channel, one for right channel, what do i need? |
| 13:19.18 | doudou | i saw pulseaudio ? |
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| 13:20.06 | libervisco | This is a complete livecd? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 13:20.16 | libervisco | I mean full xfce desktop |
| 13:20.38 | AndroidData | my goal: get sound working. right now I have VLC working as well as system sounds appearantly. that is, if I run a file called "esd" and eggdrop it |
| 13:20.40 | libervisco | (so I don't have to download anything else) |
| 13:21.02 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: CPU: MIPS R4400 Processor Chip Revision: 6.0 |
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| 13:21.13 | fasfafa | http://twog.no-ip.biz Join Please |
| 13:21.14 | fasfafa | http://twog.no-ip.biz Join Please |
| 13:21.19 | fasfafa | http://twog.no-ip.biz Join Please |
| 13:21.21 | AndroidData | however VLC can't play some of my files. back when I was using Windows, WMP was able to play them while VLC could not. |
| 13:21.24 | libervisco | gee |
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| 13:21.40 | nescius_ | Ronin, about the 4rc0 what was your architecture? |
| 13:21.40 | AndroidData | I tried using Totem Media Player, but it keeps freezing up. Ditto for xine Media Player. any help? |
| 13:21.52 | nescius_ | i am using x86_64 |
| 13:21.59 | nescius_ | ..trying to use :) |
| 13:22.13 | nescius_ | working well with mandriva |
| 13:22.18 | stew | libervisco: ia64 is inten 64 bit, but it is itanium, use amd64 for a core2duo |
| 13:22.21 | amphi | AndroidData: what are these files? |
| 13:22.28 | stew | libervisco: that is not a livecd, debian does not officially have any livecds yet |
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| 13:22.39 | AndroidData | WMV files |
| 13:22.48 | libervisco | stew, ok, thanks.. I mean one-cd install |
| 13:22.53 | tarzeau | AndroidData: mplayer? |
| 13:22.59 | AndroidData | I think they're semi-corrupt or something, I dunno. But VLC can't play them properly (the sound gets all funky) |
| 13:23.05 | libervisco | I simpyl don't want to download more than one CD :) |
| 13:23.08 | stew | libervisco: yes, that cd will install debian |
| 13:23.15 | libervisco | great :) |
| 13:23.27 | libervisco | thanks stew |
| 13:23.29 | stew | libervisco: you could also use a netinst which is only about 150mb (if you can get onto the internet with a stock debian kernel) |
| 13:23.36 | AndroidData | yeah. I don't know how to use mplayer. I tried pointing it to my file, but it complained about my DISPLAY |
| 13:23.44 | amphi | AndroidData: mplayer + w32codecs I guess - if that doesn't work, you're probably SOL - the moral is, don't use revolting formats ;) |
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| 13:23.51 | libervisco | stew, yeah I know netinstall, but my connection wont work with it |
| 13:24.12 | sanelson | themill // stew - perfect; all working now. |
| 13:24.14 | nescius_ | anyway, debian way of storing libs64 as simlink of libs is not the best one imho |
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| 13:24.29 | AndroidData | can't open audio device. |
| 13:24.33 | AndroidData | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.48 | stew | AndroidData: 'fuser /dev/dsp' should tell you what is using it |
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| 13:25.01 | stew | AndroidData: or maybe 'fuser /dev/snd/*' |
| 13:25.01 | amphi | AndroidData: lsof or fuser to find out what's using it |
| 13:25.05 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I need more ram |
| 13:25.17 | jackinson | liable: I ented command "gdmsetup", then I get "Failed to connect to socker, sleee |
| 13:25.26 | AndroidData | esd was |
| 13:25.30 | AndroidData | :\ |
| 13:25.37 | AndroidData | I need like, something to mange my sound here |
| 13:25.42 | jackinson | liable: sleep 1 second and retry " .... |
| 13:25.49 | AndroidData | because I don't want /dev/dsp to be busy everytime I have something open which happens to usei t |
| 13:26.11 | stew | !dmix |
| 13:26.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 13:27.29 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: which one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RAM_n.jpg |
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| 13:28.54 | liable | jackinson: so you now have a bootable system? |
| 13:28.57 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: 72 pins simm |
| 13:29.16 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: for server use (parity) |
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| 13:29.55 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: is debian for mips without X? |
| 13:30.07 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: i don't think so |
| 13:30.27 | liable | 42 |
| 13:30.33 | kzar` | Is there a way to run a program and assign it to a different terminal? I want to ssh to my server, run a process in tty0 or tty1 maybe and then quit ssh with the process still going. I would like to be able to access the process again later from ssh too if that makes sence |
| 13:30.42 | nescius_ | what now!? it seems that / is mounted read only, just after instalation |
| 13:30.46 | tarzeau | kzar`: w/ screen |
| 13:31.00 | liable | kzar`: screen is your magic answer |
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| 13:31.11 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: I got IRIX 6.5.22 on it... I leave it |
| 13:31.12 | tarzeau | kzar`: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/screen/ |
| 13:31.17 | doudou | pulseaudio is asking for pulseaudio.pa am i missing a package install? |
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| 13:32.55 | inad922 | hello |
| 13:33.39 | inad922 | Any knows a way to clear a socket descriptor or it is not adviced to use 1 socket to send and receive msgs? |
| 13:34.36 | nescius_ | ok, this will be my last try with this distribution, just one restart and i see if it is any good.. |
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| 13:35.22 | inad922 | Or anyone knows a channel where ppl might know this? :) |
| 13:35.45 | greatme | why isn't it possible to login as user daemon allthough the user exists? |
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| 13:35.58 | jimbalaya | Is there a place that I can see what has changed between 'apt-get update/upgrade's? (I just ran update & upgrade today, and I |
| 13:36.00 | jimbalaya | oops, sorry |
| 13:36.26 | jimbalaya | I'm being prompted to upgrade the kernel, but it's to the same version (i have 2.6.18 installed and it's asking to update to 2.6.18) |
| 13:36.28 | jair | hello guys, good morning. In debian 3.0 I use to configure the source.lst using the command "apt-setup" it is there an utility similar on debian 4.0? |
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| 13:36.44 | tarzeau | jair: no |
| 13:36.48 | stew | jair: no, other than maybe apt-spy |
| 13:36.52 | h3sp4wn | greatme: check /etc/shadow (no password set) |
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| 13:37.01 | nescius_ | haha, lucky, its working now.. :) |
| 13:37.10 | nescius_ | but with 2.4 kernel |
| 13:37.59 | greatme | so how can processes belong to that user? |
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| 13:38.35 | nescius_ | perfect, init blocked root account for 5 minutes |
| 13:38.40 | nescius_ | wtf? |
| 13:38.42 | jair | tarzeau: so what is this then are we going from good (sarge) to etch (bad)?? |
| 13:38.59 | tarzeau | jair: who needs apt-setup ? |
| 13:39.34 | tarzeau | jair: man sources.list it's so easy, i run a sources.list server at telnet linuks.mine.nu (use sed to use stable) |
| 13:39.35 | jair | tarzeau: well a lot of newbies and people that does not remember each country mirror from the top of their head.... Daaaaahhhh |
| 13:39.55 | kzar` | Great :D thanks everyone |
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| 13:40.49 | tarzeau | jair: they can use ubuntu |
| 13:41.19 | stew | jair: becuase the author of apt-setup always intended it to be used by the installer, not by end users. he (intentionally) broke support for it living outside of the installer. someone can fork the older version and start maintaining their fork, but nobody has yet volunteered to do such a thing |
| 13:41.20 | possie | is there a way to specify wich port numers the empheral ports use? |
| 13:41.24 | jair | sorry do not change debian for that |
| 13:42.13 | jair | stew: I would like to maintain it, who do I need to contact? |
| 13:42.44 | formorer | stew: I planned to do something like this if I have a little spare time |
| 13:43.21 | jair | so explain me how will you change from source.lst ??? beside go to the mirrors on the debian web site copy and then paste it on the file?? |
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| 13:43.38 | cydork | jair: you can use netselect or apt-spy.. |
| 13:43.56 | jair | cydork: let me try that ok |
| 13:43.57 | wols | stew: why doesn't debian have something like apt-setup in the installer? |
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| 13:44.05 | stew | wols: it does |
| 13:44.16 | jair | it does just (just) in the installer |
| 13:44.18 | stew | wols: that is the point, he still maintains a udeb of apt-setup |
| 13:44.22 | rocketmagnet | hi folks, does someone know how to install opera with apt-get ? |
| 13:44.27 | wols | it doesn't add a network repository for me except security |
| 13:44.29 | stew | jair: you'd file an itp |
| 13:44.38 | jair | stew: ? |
| 13:44.41 | stew | formorer: cool, i've thought about it a bunch of times, but don't really have the spare cycles |
| 13:44.45 | wols | rocketmagnet: opera software does. debian does not |
| 13:44.52 | jair | not need for gui |
| 13:44.59 | stew | formorer: starting with apt-setup, or from scratch? |
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| 13:45.11 | jair | it could be just text base like the "apt-setup" tool on sarge |
| 13:45.15 | rocketmagnet | wols: so how to install opera without destroying my system ? |
| 13:45.18 | formorer | stew: I found it very usefull for users and maybe I can add some additional sources lists like backports or debian-multimedia |
| 13:45.39 | formorer | stew: I don't know before I had a look at the original source |
| 13:45.45 | wols | rocketmagnet: again, ask opera software. debian doesn't really care about non-free software. debian can't help you with that |
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| 13:45.58 | wols | formorer: that's not good. DFSG and all |
| 13:46.02 | jair | stew: what do you mean with this? ---> you'd file an itp? |
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| 13:46.13 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg itp |
| 13:46.22 | formorer | wols: the sources list is dfsg free |
| 13:46.31 | rocketmagnet | ah |
| 13:46.33 | jair | !itp |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | from memory, itp is Intent To Package |
| 13:46.40 | jair | hmmm |
| 13:46.42 | stew | wols: the apt-setup in sarge prompted for non-free iirc |
| 13:46.42 | wols | debian-multimedia is not a DFSG compliant repo |
| 13:46.43 | jair | weird |
| 13:46.56 | liable | it did? |
| 13:47.02 | stew | didn't it? |
| 13:47.06 | wols | in fact it's even illegal software (decss) |
| 13:47.13 | formorer | wols: and your point is what? why should be ability to activate a source entry in a sources list noncompliant with the dfsg? |
| 13:47.15 | SlayerXP | decss is not illegal software |
| 13:47.24 | SlayerXP | at least, not in many parts of the world |
| 13:47.26 | liable | i dont recall it did, but my memory is well known to suck |
| 13:47.27 | wols | which means debian could be liable for that under DMCA. debian will stay FAR away from it I guess |
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| 13:47.41 | wols | SlayerXP: it is in enough |
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| 13:47.47 | wols | it's illegal in US and EU |
| 13:48.18 | wols | formorer: 3 words: contributory copyright infringement |
| 13:48.29 | formorer | wols: I don't are about this shit |
| 13:48.38 | wols | formorer: you might not, but debian does |
| 13:48.39 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: download the opera deb from the web. |
| 13:48.40 | nescius_ | it seems that i am forced to install something working, debian is trying to install "stable" which is rather oposite to its name |
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| 13:48.44 | formorer | it is fully dfsg free in every point |
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| 13:48.55 | Ronin | nescius_: once again quite teh contrary |
| 13:48.57 | ribnitz | Any way I could get amarok as a packaged deb?- Ideally V. 1.4.5; the one in sid is 1.4.4. something? |
| 13:49.09 | ustunozgur | then, right click and choose gdebi installer. |
| 13:49.32 | ribnitz | nescius_: Stable is what it says. This does not mean recent. |
| 13:49.35 | nescius_ | Ronin, sorry but as i've asked before, are you using 64bit? |
| 13:49.52 | wols | nescius_: what hardware is giving you grieves? |
| 13:50.09 | Ronin | dont recall you asking me that actually but no im not, but i do know folks here who are and run it quite nicely |
| 13:50.12 | noborusan | Do i need to burn a etch install cd ? i already have sarge install cd |
| 13:50.40 | wols | noborusan: you can upgrade from an installed sarge to etch via network |
| 13:50.49 | noborusan | i mean, install sarge then upgrade to etch instantly after install complited or use a etch install cd,any difference ? |
| 13:50.58 | wols | sometimes sarge won't install on newer hardware however. missing drivers |
| 13:50.59 | liable | thats fine |
| 13:51.00 | ribnitz | noborusan: install sarge, and upgrade; though it would be wise to burn one, to get the new installer |
| 13:51.01 | nescius_ | wols, amd64 with via chipset, init locked root once again.. |
| 13:51.17 | wols | nescius_: why does it lock it? |
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| 13:51.22 | wols | and what do you mean "lock"? |
| 13:51.36 | nescius_ | wols to fast respawning |
| 13:51.37 | noborusan | wols, i see,it is intel pentium D 915, sata hdd,intel 7230 motherboard,so i think i should get etch cd the best resolution ? |
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| 13:51.53 | wols | noborusan: etch will be better |
| 13:52.02 | noborusan | got it,thanks,let me do it now. |
| 13:52.08 | liable | for us :) |
| 13:52.15 | wols | you can get the network installer |
| 13:52.18 | nescius_ | nevermind, i will install mandriva there |
| 13:52.26 | wols | have fun |
| 13:52.33 | Ronin | heh |
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| 13:53.05 | nescius_ | its actually optimised for the procesor type so it should be faster |
| 13:53.13 | wols | nescius_: I can understand going frm ubuntu to mandriva, but I can't really see ppeople who install mandriva and debian in the same set |
| 13:53.20 | liable | better yet, gentoo! |
| 13:53.27 | wols | !gentoosmite nescius_ |
| 13:53.32 | ribnitz | nescius_: those optimisations are usually not worth the effort. |
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| 13:53.48 | ribnitz | nescius_: 99.999% the cpu is waiting for user input. |
| 13:53.55 | ustunozgur | premature optimization is the root of all evil. |
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| 13:54.12 | liable | thats what my gf keeps saying |
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| 13:54.19 | nescius_ | ribnitz, not so surre about that, its x86_64 vs 386, thats a difference |
| 13:54.24 | rocketmagnet | some programming question related to opengl: when i type gcc -lGL i get: /usr/bin/ld cannot find -lGL |
| 13:54.30 | noborusan | wols, it is debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 13:54.31 | rocketmagnet | what packed do i need ? |
| 13:54.43 | wols | noborusan: that's CD1. not netinstall ISO |
| 13:54.49 | ribnitz | nescius_: There are libc6 packages for P4 too.. |
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| 13:54.54 | wols | noborusan: locate libGL |
| 13:55.02 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: apt-cache search libgl |
| 13:55.17 | wols | rocketmagnet: for -668. not P4 |
| 13:55.24 | ribnitz | nescius_: I guess there will also be some optimised for EM64T.. |
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| 13:55.35 | bhundven | $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 13:55.35 | bhundven | libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 13:55.46 | bhundven | !search |
| 13:55.46 | dpkg | methinks search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:55.51 | liable | you want the -dev |
| 13:55.56 | nescius_ | ribnitz, why should i care about p4? every one package in there is compiled for 64bits |
| 13:56.02 | bhundven | liable: right |
| 13:56.50 | ribnitz | nescius_: So you really plan on using more that 4GB physical RAM? |
| 13:57.00 | rocketmagnet | libgl-mesa-glx is the actual version =( |
| 13:57.29 | bhundven | huh? |
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| 13:57.59 | nescius_ | ribnitz, well it should be a server, will see if this iron would be enough for about 50 ppls emails and some qos optimisation |
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| 13:58.22 | rocketmagnet | bhundven: the libgl1-mesa-glx and the -dev stuff is allready the current version (that tells me apt-get) |
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| 13:58.40 | ribnitz | nescius_: Email isnt ram intensive; |
| 13:58.40 | nescius_ | ribnitz, but its not only about RAM |
| 13:58.53 | ribnitz | nescius_: 64 bit arch mostly is.. |
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| 13:59.06 | nescius_ | its about that debian is simply not work in there! |
| 13:59.21 | ribnitz | nescius_: Alternatively, very large databases. |
| 13:59.59 | ribnitz | nescius_: Then make it work. |
| 14:00.02 | rocketmagnet | bhundven: Umleitung durch nvidia-glx von: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:00.02 | rocketmagnet | Umleitung durch nvidia-glx zu: /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa |
| 14:00.04 | ribnitz | !doesn't work |
| 14:00.05 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:00.05 | rocketmagnet | nvidia-glx, libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 14:00.23 | nescius_ | ribnitz, snapy |
| 14:00.43 | bhundven | rocketmagnet: so it looks like you need: nvidia-glx-dev |
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| 14:01.43 | rocketmagnet | bhundven: thank you |
| 14:01.49 | bhundven | :-D |
| 14:01.50 | bhundven | np |
| 14:02.10 | rocketmagnet | i also have a a problem with mysql-server which don't get removed with apt-get remove mysql-server |
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| 14:02.21 | rocketmagnet | i allways get a return of the post-script (1) |
| 14:02.46 | nescius_ | ribnitz, i've tried more than 4 debian cds with different version (3.1rc6, 3.1rc6a, 4rc0 and netinstall) everything crashed both on installing package pkgsel or on booting the kernel. |
| 14:03.05 | bhundven | rocketmagnet: try: dpkg --purge mysql-server |
| 14:03.24 | bhundven | rocketmagnet: and if that doesn't work, then pastbin your error so we can see some more info |
| 14:03.27 | nescius_ | now i am going to try something which i know it _is_ working just fine |
| 14:03.50 | ribnitz | nescius_: please do |
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| 14:04.09 | open-your-eyes | Watch as LA police fire into crowds of protesters. http://one.revver.com/watch/254524 Repost, call your media outlets, take back your country. |
| 14:04.11 | nescius_ | ribnitz, :) |
| 14:04.14 | rocketmagnet | bhundven: it tells me that it's not installed ! |
| 14:04.41 | rocketmagnet | but allways when i invoke apt-get install someapp, it tries to install mysql-server |
| 14:04.45 | Ronin | who cares open-your-eyes |
| 14:05.20 | rocketmagnet | bhundven: where to find the logs for apt-get or dpkg ? |
| 14:05.33 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: that's because it is selected. use synaptic to unselect it. |
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| 14:05.47 | bhundven | or aptitude |
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| 14:07.29 | wols | !ping |
| 14:07.29 | dpkg | pong |
| 14:07.52 | rocketmagnet | brb |
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| 14:11.13 | mrgenixus | so I installed nvidia-glx-legacy and X says no driver installed... why is that? |
| 14:11.16 | ofir | someonen know how to solve the libstdc++.so.6 bug? |
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| 14:12.58 | ustunozgur | mrgenixus: why legacy? |
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| 14:14.40 | ericP | anyone know why tzconfig departed from sid or what replaced it? |
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| 14:15.48 | ericP | i went to CA, tzconfig'd to the local time, dist-upgraded, went back home, and can't tzconfig back |
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| 14:16.13 | ericP | it's like the Debian Sid distribution is forcing me to go back to California |
| 14:16.25 | ericP | is it allowed to influence me like that? |
| 14:16.42 | ericP | i thought open source was all about user empowerment |
| 14:17.09 | Ronin | ericP: it is but you are running sid so guess what, stuff happens |
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| 14:17.25 | vchrizz | how/where do i set the mouse sensivity? im on gnome |
| 14:18.05 | stew | ericP: tzconfig was removed from glibc as of 2.5-2, don't know if anything replaces it |
| 14:18.10 | bhundven | I believe you should be using tzselect, which is actually part of the libc6 package. |
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| 14:19.11 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: the main driver is too new and doesn't support my car |
| 14:19.37 | ericP | Ronin, and what stuff happenes, I come here and ask about is |
| 14:19.44 | mrgenixus | and when I install 8776 X still doesn't recognize the driver |
| 14:19.46 | ericP | sometimes humor helps; sometimes it doesn't |
| 14:19.51 | mrgenixus | I don't fully know why |
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| 14:20.12 | nescius_ | ribnitz, guess what, its working in there :) |
| 14:20.12 | nescius_ | ribnitz, guess what, its working in there :) |
| 14:20.21 | nescius_ | whoops |
| 14:20.22 | bhundven | ericP: humility is needed in an environment that constantly changes |
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| 14:20.31 | wwallace | hello to all |
| 14:20.32 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/27083 |
| 14:20.33 | mrgenixus | vchrizz: you can set it in the mouse config |
| 14:21.02 | ericP | bhundven, sorry, thought "debian is forcing me back to CA" was silly enough to demonstrate humility |
| 14:21.04 | vchrizz | mrgenixus: well, where is the mouse config? |
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| 14:21.08 | bhundven | otherwise, we'd all be insane robots |
| 14:21.25 | stew | wwallace: please go to a channel that is specific to your distribution, we only support debian in here |
| 14:21.29 | ericP | stew, any ideas short of pestering the maintainer? |
| 14:21.36 | wwallace | well thats debian atch |
| 14:21.49 | mrgenixus | vchrizz: it's in the menu under desktop->preferences->mouse |
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| 14:21.57 | Ryushin | Can sysctl.conf control other items in proc beside /proc/sys? Can I just put the full path to the proc item that I want to change? |
| 14:22.07 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: any idea why X isn't recognizing the installed driver? |
| 14:22.21 | stew | wwallace: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libgpod0" the version of libgpod0 you have is newer than sid's version |
| 14:22.35 | vchrizz | mrgenixus: oh, noob me, i looked in the apps menu :P |
| 14:22.48 | wwallace | thanks stew |
| 14:22.50 | stew | ericP: the maintainer removed it explicitly, its noted int he changelog that he removed it, it sounds like bhundven had the answer for you, which is to use tzselect |
| 14:23.02 | mrgenixus | Ryushin: if you want to change something in /proc/ change the value of the file (not that I recomend you scre with /proc, unless you know what you're doing0 |
| 14:24.04 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/27084 |
| 14:24.17 | mrgenixus | Xorg doesn't recognize nvidia-glx_0.1.8776 nvidia-glx-legacy and nvidia-glx_0.1.9755 doesn't support my card. |
| 14:24.27 | stew | wwallace: so where did, libgpod0 come from? kanotix? |
| 14:24.28 | Ryushin | mrgenixus: I need to have it make a change when it boots up. I don't want to do an manual echo to the value I need every boot. |
| 14:24.47 | mrgenixus | Ryushin: build an initscript to do it |
| 14:24.48 | wwallace | yes |
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| 14:24.52 | mrgenixus | what do you need to change? |
| 14:24.54 | stew | wwallace: go to #kanotix |
| 14:25.00 | wwallace | thanks |
| 14:25.07 | ericP | stew, bhundven, whoops, didn't see the tzselect line. actually, tzselect doesn't change the state of the machine (as i invoked it, at least). appears to only help the user find a good value for $TZ |
| 14:25.37 | bhundven | ericP: which is the new policy for setting your timezone. |
| 14:25.46 | Ryushin | mrgenixus: Well, I didn't want to have to do that if a mechanism already existed. |
| 14:25.50 | ustunozgur | mrgenixus: did you try dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 14:26.13 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: dpkg-reconfigure what? |
| 14:26.21 | mrgenixus | Ryushin: oh. |
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| 14:26.42 | ericP | stew, bhundven, aha! $(dpkg-reconfigure tzdata) does it |
| 14:27.02 | bhundven | ;) |
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| 14:27.21 | bhundven | should also read /usr/share/libc6/FAQ.gz |
| 14:27.25 | ustunozgur | xserver-xorg |
| 14:27.26 | bhundven | er |
| 14:27.36 | ustunozgur | isn't your X broken? |
| 14:27.37 | bhundven | /usr/share/doc/libc6/FAQ.gz |
| 14:28.01 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: well yeah, but only sortof -- it can't find the driver for nvidia |
| 14:28.01 | bhundven | under section 4.3 |
| 14:28.02 | ericP | bhundven, geeking on the new timezone policy, wouldn't that require you to kill all processees and restart them every time you change timezones? |
| 14:28.29 | mrgenixus | oh. |
| 14:28.59 | bhundven | ericP: why would you do that in the first place? Once you set your timezone, it really shouldn't have to change. |
| 14:29.30 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: this is going to overwrite the custom modeline I'm using. |
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| 14:30.39 | ericP | bhundven, i fly a lot more than i reboot |
| 14:30.54 | bhundven | hehe |
| 14:31.24 | mrgenixus | worse than before |
| 14:31.36 | mrgenixus | now it's not loading the correct driver |
| 14:32.05 | themill | I'm in the middle of a sarge/etch upgrade and aptitude install initrd-tools wants to remove base-config. Is that normal or scary? |
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| 14:33.15 | stew | themill: that's normal, there is no base-config in etch. are you following the upgrade instructions in the etch release notes? |
| 14:33.24 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: that isn't the problem |
| 14:33.31 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: X is configured correctly |
| 14:33.45 | themill | stew: thanks. I noticed that but was still worried. Yes, have the relnotes in front of me as I go. |
| 14:34.00 | stew | good. |
| 14:34.13 | ofir | someonen know how to solve the libstdc++.so.6 bug? |
| 14:34.23 | mrgenixus | ofir: what bug? |
| 14:34.40 | themill | stew: duh... just found the comment on the last para of that section.... I reckon I could just about recite them from memory now, but still obviously missing sections. |
| 14:34.45 | themill | stew: thanks for your help anyway! |
| 14:34.49 | stew | themill: :) |
| 14:34.50 | ofir | mrgenixus: it say that it requires gcc 4.2 |
| 14:35.12 | mrgenixus | ofir: do you have gcc 4.2 installed? |
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| 14:35.24 | stew | gcc 4.2 isn't packaged for debian yet |
| 14:35.34 | ofir | mrgenixus: no. just 4.1 |
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| 14:35.50 | ma3x | how many MB does gmail accept? |
| 14:35.53 | mrgenixus | ofir: so install gcc 4.2 |
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| 14:36.05 | Ronin | ma3x: looked on gmail.com? |
| 14:36.09 | mrgenixus | well, where di dyou get libstdc? |
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| 14:36.19 | ma3x | Ronin, nah, where exactly |
| 14:36.22 | uzer_ | do any debian packages have the .config file thats used with a stock kernel? |
| 14:36.24 | stew | ofir: what version of if the libstdc++6 pacakge do you have installed? |
| 14:36.30 | Ronin | dong know im not with gmail |
| 14:36.35 | mrgenixus | ma3x: on the login page right-near 3.0 Gb |
| 14:36.43 | ofir | stew: 6.0.8 iirc |
| 14:36.50 | stew | uzer_: yes, both the -image and -headers packages have them, -image in /boot/config-$version |
| 14:37.12 | stew | ofir: the current sid version is 4.1.2-5 |
| 14:37.28 | uzer_ | stew: thanks |
| 14:37.46 | ofir | stew: the lib is libstdc++.so.6.0.8 |
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| 14:37.52 | stew | ofir: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libstdc++ gcc" |
| 14:37.58 | ofir | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-01-06 19:47 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.8 |
| 14:38.20 | ma3x | mrgenixus, paste the link |
| 14:38.28 | mrgenixus | ma3x: gmail.com |
| 14:38.33 | ma3x | mrgenixus, its not there |
| 14:38.37 | ma3x | where do you see 3G? |
| 14:38.39 | mrgenixus | on the login page? |
| 14:38.48 | mrgenixus | it says 2.75.... |
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| 14:39.03 | mrgenixus | it's right-near 3 |
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| 14:40.16 | ma3x | mrgenixus, its not there |
| 14:40.34 | mrgenixus | ma3x: then I have no idea |
| 14:40.49 | ma3x | mrgenixus, you're stupid, how can you suggest it's there when it isn't? |
| 14:40.49 | mrgenixus | my graphical display isn't working so I can't verify that its there |
| 14:40.50 | ofir | stew: http://pastebin.ca/469048 |
| 14:40.52 | ma3x | did you even look up? |
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| 14:40.58 | mrgenixus | it's always beenthere before |
| 14:41.03 | Ronin | ma3x: you seriously dont see the counter running on the gmail.com page that says the box size? |
| 14:41.09 | Ronin | id check but gmail is blocked here :) |
| 14:41.13 | ma3x | Ronin, I see the counter, that's not what I asked |
| 14:41.13 | mrgenixus | Ronin: I know! |
| 14:41.23 | mrgenixus | ma3x: then what did you ask? |
| 14:41.29 | ma3x | Ronin, I asked for the filesize of mail you can send |
| 14:41.31 | Ronin | email zsize you mean |
| 14:41.33 | Ronin | doh |
| 14:41.35 | ma3x | yeah |
| 14:41.47 | Ronin | wouldn't that depend more on teh recipient? |
| 14:41.48 | mrgenixus | as big as you want to wait to uplod without a progress bar |
| 14:41.59 | mrgenixus | there doesnt' seem to be a limit |
| 14:42.02 | ma3x | I mean if I send from another mail to GMAIL |
| 14:42.07 | ma3x | will it accept over 10 MB? |
| 14:42.11 | mrgenixus | up to the mail-box size |
| 14:42.11 | ustunozgur | 10 mb |
| 14:42.17 | ma3x | ustunozgur, you positive? |
| 14:42.35 | bhundven | isn't this #debian or am I in the wrong chan |
| 14:42.42 | stew | ofir: oh i meant libstdc++6 not libstdc++ ; what version does "apt-cache policy libstdc++6" say for isntalled? |
| 14:42.43 | ma3x | when I try to send something over 10 MBytes via postfix it says this : May 3 16:51:44 ma3x postfix/postdrop[3360]: warning: uid=1000: Illegal seek |
| 14:42.50 | mrgenixus | bhundven: lol I was just going to ask the smae thing |
| 14:42.54 | ma3x | May 3 16:51:44 ma3x postfix/sendmail[3359]: fatal: mail@gmail.com(1000): queue file write error |
| 14:43.16 | ma3x | any idea why postfix gives that queue file write error? |
| 14:43.16 | ustunozgur | http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=8770 |
| 14:43.38 | ustunozgur | positive. |
| 14:43.50 | ma3x | ustunozgur, ok thanks |
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| 14:44.30 | ofir | stew: http://pastebin.ca/469052 |
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| 14:45.13 | xeihin | whats for the mail group in /etc/group ? |
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| 14:46.41 | stew | ofir: that all looks kosher. exactly what error are you getting and what do you doing to produce it? |
| 14:46.58 | xeihin | you don't know? |
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| 14:48.00 | ofir | stew: I try to browse for file in 'vmware server' and I get this error exactly: (vmware:5937): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
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| 14:48.26 | aldin | how can i watch usage of only one process lets say konqueror with 'top' or some other command |
| 14:48.53 | stew | aldin: top -p pid |
| 14:49.06 | bhundven | hehe. damn stew your quick, er.. quicker then I. |
| 14:49.19 | stew | ofir: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1 <-- looks like you should be asking vmware, not #debian |
| 14:49.21 | aldin | stew: is there any way to argument is name of comman e.g. vlc ? |
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| 14:49.38 | stew | aldin: top -p $(pidof vlc) |
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| 14:50.31 | jipi | did anyone got the mount problem in sid? |
| 14:50.42 | bhundven | what mount problem? |
| 14:50.54 | stew | jipi: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:51.11 | aldin | stew: thanks, a lot! one more thing i want to compare two apps to see which one is using more resources (e.g dolphin vs konqueror) what do u suggest as workarround? |
| 14:51.18 | jipi | bhundven: bug id 421957 |
| 14:52.04 | xeihin | whats for the mail group in /etc/group? |
| 14:52.09 | bhundven | oh yea... |
| 14:52.18 | xeihin | can some one readme? |
| 14:52.23 | stew | aldin: sounds like you are on the right track |
| 14:52.34 | stew | !greet xeihin |
| 14:52.35 | dpkg | Tag, xeihin |
| 14:52.58 | stew | xeihin: are there any users in that group? |
| 14:53.06 | xeihin | no |
| 14:53.11 | xeihin | but I wanna know whats for |
| 14:53.19 | emiquelito | hello all! I have added a new package version in a debian repository located at my company. I have also update the package indexes (Packages.gz and Sources.gz) but the new version is still not available for any client trying to upgrade its package version even after running 'apt-get clean' and 'apt-get update'. Any clue? of course that the new package is really on the server and I have update the indexes more than once using dpkg |
| 14:53.22 | ofir | stew: I see this problem in google in lots of places like: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-gcc@lists.debian.org/msg21557.html |
| 14:53.30 | stew | xeihin: on my system my mta runs under the mail user |
| 14:53.52 | emiquelito | 'I have updated' |
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| 14:54.10 | xeihin | my mta run under Debian-exim group |
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| 14:54.36 | nescius_ | ribnitz, my appologies, it was failing because of disk, mandriva live booted up right, even installed (thou somewhat longer than usual 9 minutes) and died from kernel panic when booting, i've replaced the disk and tried debian 4rc0 once more, its working |
| 14:54.58 | bhundven | jipi: hmm. I saw that while I was trying to install unstable from the new install cd. probably check on #debian on oftc.net as well |
| 14:55.09 | bhundven | idk if the devs live in here as well.. |
| 14:55.14 | stew | emiquelito: is the version you are looking for listed at all in "apt-cache policy packagename" ? |
| 14:55.15 | xeihin | I can't send mails from wordpressMU when I create a blog :S, just with the mail function at command line and with <?mail($a,$b,$c); ?> on php |
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| 14:55.19 | gaz_ | hey |
| 14:55.31 | jipi | bhundven: thanks |
| 14:55.41 | gaz_ | anyone had any experience getting dri working on a mach64 card? |
| 14:55.46 | emiquelito | stew no, it's not listed there too :-( |
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| 14:55.50 | ofir | stew: if you google `GCC_4.2.0' not found - yu |
| 14:55.55 | gaz_ | ive downloaded files to do it |
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| 14:56.06 | gaz_ | but I get a kernel modules did not compile |
| 14:56.07 | gaz_ | error |
| 14:56.24 | stew | ofir: yes, i understand. this error is becuase you are using libs from vmware that aren't compatible with etch |
| 14:56.27 | xeihin | I get this http://rafb.net/p/ulpcKT57.html |
| 14:56.31 | ofir | stew: you will see it happens a lot in many different apps. |
| 14:56.31 | xeihin | can some one help me? |
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| 14:56.45 | ofir | stew:ah |
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| 14:56.54 | aldin | stew: thanks, i have man(ed) a bit, i neeed to -p ,pid,pid,...pid |
| 14:57.02 | emiquelito | stew, when running 'apt-cache policy packagename' I always got only the old version of the package, not the new one |
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| 14:57.40 | ofir | stew: can I do something about it? like replacing that library file with an etch compatible one? |
| 14:57.44 | stew | emiquelito: then either pacakges.gz doesn't contain this version, or the clients haven't run apt-get update or the sources.list is pointing at the wrong place |
| 14:57.47 | emiquelito | stew this is not a problem with the package itself, the package is ok when installing with dpkg -i |
| 14:58.03 | stew | ofir: ask vmware |
| 14:58.11 | ofir | ok |
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| 14:58.32 | timewriter | hi |
| 14:59.06 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: what's your "apt-cache policy" (by itself) show? |
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| 14:59.43 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: without any pkg argument |
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| 15:00.19 | timewriter | if i have the first dvd of debian 4.0 , do i need to download the other two also ? |
| 15:00.21 | emiquelito | PingFloyd an old version of the package which I have already removed with 'apt-get remove --purge packagename' |
| 15:00.22 | xeihin | how do you feel been knowingless? |
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| 15:00.43 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: apt-cache policy (no args) |
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| 15:00.46 | emiquelito | PingFloyd ooops |
| 15:00.47 | emiquelito | sorry |
| 15:00.51 | PingFloyd | np |
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| 15:00.54 | emiquelito | hummm |
| 15:01.00 | emiquelito | bad stuffs |
| 15:01.03 | emiquelito | one minute |
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| 15:01.11 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: pastebin it |
| 15:01.28 | emiquelito | of course, I'm doing it =) |
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| 15:02.29 | [bman] | I always forget about my linked nicks... |
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| 15:03.02 | StarOfDeath | Hello. |
| 15:03.07 | StarOfDeath | How are you dude? |
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| 15:03.15 | StarOfDeath | I need your help |
| 15:03.19 | [bman] | !ask |
| 15:03.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:03.33 | StarOfDeath | I'm trying to install a package on etch using aptitude |
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| 15:04.14 | timewriter | yes but i asked and nobody answered |
| 15:04.16 | StarOfDeath | but when I run aptitude install smbfs, comes up a message saying that two packages will be removed because they are not beeing used |
| 15:04.43 | StarOfDeath | The folow packages will be removed because they are not beeing used: |
| 15:04.43 | StarOfDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.06 | emiquelito | PingFloyd sorry for the delay, I had some problems with pastebin :-( |
| 15:05.13 | emiquelito | PingFloyd http://rafb.net/p/DsFQ5576.html |
| 15:05.20 | [bman] | timewriter: only if you need packages off those cd's, otherwise you can get those same packages from the web by using aptitude, synaptic, or good ol'e apt-get |
| 15:05.30 | StarOfDeath | Can I beleve in this message and press Y? what do you think about it? do you think tis packages are really not beeing used? |
| 15:05.33 | timewriter | but whats on the others two dvd`s ? |
| 15:05.35 | timewriter | sources ? |
| 15:05.50 | emiquelito | PingFloyd so, the first source 'dev.telium' is actually my problem here |
| 15:06.53 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: what's the name of the package? |
| 15:06.56 | emiquelito | it's a bit weird since everything seems ok on this server |
| 15:07.03 | emiquelito | PingFloyd tigclient |
| 15:07.39 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: can you pastebin the output for apt-cache showpkg tiglclient |
| 15:07.47 | emiquelito | sure |
| 15:07.48 | [bman] | timewriter: sorry. yea. there just other packages that you can also get by installing them via aptitude, synaptic or apt-get. You really only need the other 2 dvd's if you don't have connectivity to the internet. |
| 15:07.49 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: can you pastebin the output for apt-cache showpkg tigclient |
| 15:07.50 | emiquelito | one minute |
| 15:07.57 | PingFloyd | ok |
| 15:08.02 | timewriter | ok |
| 15:08.06 | timewriter | so ill stop the download |
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| 15:08.20 | scyrma | I upgraded to xorg-7.2 ... and I have a really strange/funny problem in firefox/iceweasel : images are about 10% smaller than they should .. but not all of them.. |
| 15:08.40 | scyrma | is this a case of new xorg / old driver ? |
| 15:09.03 | emiquelito | PingFloyd http://rafb.net/p/yYe30J81.html |
| 15:09.11 | telmich | scyrma: sounds strange; can you make a screenshot of it? |
| 15:09.28 | emiquelito | PingFloyd this is the result after running 'apt-get update' |
| 15:09.55 | emiquelito | PingFloyd the new package version was already on the server at this point |
| 15:10.17 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: what's dpkg -l tigclient show? |
| 15:10.24 | PingFloyd | which version |
| 15:10.36 | jeef | is it possible to boot the debian installer from a flash drive? :) |
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| 15:10.51 | emiquelito | PingFloyd pn tigclient <none> (no description available) |
| 15:11.01 | emiquelito | version is <none> |
| 15:11.13 | emiquelito | status is 'nknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold' |
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| 15:11.25 | stew | jeef: yes, /msg dpkg usb-install ; its documented in the install guide: /msg dpkg ig |
| 15:11.29 | emiquelito | oops |
| 15:11.36 | jeef | beautiful |
| 15:11.39 | jeef | thanks stew |
| 15:11.47 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: that's kind of strange, because that pn should mean that it's not installed but has been purged before |
| 15:11.49 | mo1991 | someone had told me there is a program that stops people from hammering ftp and ssh ports (aka scripts that try different logins) but I can't remember what the package is called? Any help |
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| 15:12.04 | jwisher | how do i remove a user? userdel says command not found |
| 15:12.05 | stew | emiquelito: if it doesn't show up in apt-cache policy then either you haven't updated, the packages.gz on the server doesn't contain the new version |
| 15:12.05 | cydork | mo1991: fail2ban? denyhosts? |
| 15:12.11 | Ronin | jwisher: deluser |
| 15:12.17 | mo1991 | cydork - it was fail2ban |
| 15:12.19 | mo1991 | thanks |
| 15:12.28 | jwisher | deluser says command not found too :( |
| 15:12.32 | Ronin | as root? |
| 15:12.38 | jwisher | yes :( |
| 15:12.45 | jwisher | oh, wait, no |
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| 15:12.47 | jwisher | you're right! |
| 15:12.48 | jwisher | thanks ! |
| 15:12.58 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: one thing I would do is pin your distro |
| 15:13.15 | stew | if its not showing up in apt-cache policy, there is nothing yet to pin |
| 15:13.29 | emiquelito | stew so proably something is wrong in the repository. I will pastebin the result after updating the packages indexes on the server |
| 15:13.53 | emiquelito | PingFloyd what you mean 'pin your distro'? |
| 15:13.54 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: because right now that dev.telium has same priority as your distro's repos |
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| 15:14.28 | emiquelito | PingFloyd hmm, I see, and how can I change this priority? |
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| 15:14.43 | _good_day | Hello friends, how can i know if sarge 3.1r1 supports rs 485 interface ? |
| 15:15.12 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: in your /etc/apt/preferences you'll want ... |
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| 15:15.18 | PingFloyd | Package: * |
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| 15:15.37 | _good_day | do we need to add any special driver for running rs 485 or it is supported by kernel itself ? thank you |
| 15:15.40 | PingFloyd | Pin : Release o=Ubuntu,a=edgy |
| 15:15.49 | PingFloyd | Pin-Priority: 900 |
| 15:15.50 | Ronin | umm ubuntu PingFloyd ? |
| 15:16.00 | stew | ubuntu? |
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| 15:16.16 | xoz | true color |
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| 15:16.34 | emiquelito | stew some clients, like my box, have ubuntu, but the server is debian |
| 15:16.52 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: that would be if ubuntu |
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| 15:17.31 | emiquelito | it has been working pretty fine until now. I have made some successful package updates before. This is the first problem |
| 15:17.33 | scyrma | telmich, I have a snapshot up at http://f.mathieu.koumbit.org/toosmall.jpg |
| 15:17.49 | PingFloyd | emiquelito: for debian change to Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable (stable, testing, or unstable. Whichever branch you use) |
| 15:17.51 | emiquelito | stew, PingFloyd : http://rafb.net/p/gszOch66.html |
| 15:18.11 | jeef | stew: do you know if there's a way to prepare the usb stick within windows? |
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| 15:18.49 | michiel--- | I get this error when starting up tomcat: Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/catalina/startup/Bootstrap |
| 15:19.09 | jetscreamer | heh wtf is a d-line |
| 15:19.11 | stew | jeef: i don't know, probably |
| 15:19.14 | michiel--- | as i had deleted some tomcat files before i had to reinstall it again but i can't get it to work |
| 15:19.39 | ofir | stew: I renamed this lib from x to x.old and the problem is solved |
| 15:19.41 | michiel--- | i try it to start through /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start |
| 15:20.39 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:20.39 | ofir | stew: I then had another such .. and did same .. looks ok |
| 15:20.40 | jetscreamer | !tell michiel--- -about confmiss |
| 15:20.43 | michiel--- | i had to use the confmiss option to get my /etc/ files back |
| 15:20.51 | michiel--- | but still can't get it to work |
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| 15:28.15 | michiel--- | jetscreamer: any other ideas? |
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| 15:30.10 | Flimzy | Anyone have a suggestion for a good 'getty' to use for a serial console? My last getty experience was with mgetty ~10 years ago when I ran a dialup ISP... |
| 15:30.36 | Flimzy | or is the default 'getty' good enough? |
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| 15:31.34 | Flimzy | seems that getty does the job. heh... nevermind |
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| 15:32.13 | Flimzy | now to get kernel support for a serial console to work... |
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| 15:32.42 | wols | just make the kernel support your serial port |
| 15:32.47 | wols | what else do you need? |
| 15:32.48 | Flimzy | wols: It does. |
| 15:32.54 | wols | then your kernel is ready |
| 15:32.56 | Flimzy | wols: I need the kernel to use the serial port as _the_ console. |
| 15:33.01 | Flimzy | No,it's not ready :) |
| 15:33.08 | wols | it is |
| 15:33.11 | Flimzy | I need grub, and possibly the BIOS, to use it, too. |
| 15:33.13 | Flimzy | No, it's not, dude. |
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| 15:33.26 | Flimzy | It only supports the serial port after 'init' is run. |
| 15:33.27 | wols | grub is not the kernel. getty isn't your kernel either |
| 15:33.36 | Flimzy | I know grub isn't in the kernel. |
| 15:33.46 | Flimzy | But GRUB supports serial consoles. |
| 15:33.54 | Flimzy | And so does the kernel. |
| 15:33.56 | wols | the BIOS can only be made to support a serial console with additional hardware |
| 15:33.57 | Flimzy | But not by default. |
| 15:34.06 | Flimzy | wols: Only if you have a shitty/old BIOS. |
| 15:34.11 | Flimzy | wols: All of our BIOSes support serial consoles. |
| 15:34.13 | Dewi | Flimzy: do you really need to mess with boot menus or BIOS settings over it? |
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| 15:34.18 | Flimzy | Dewi: Yes. |
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| 15:34.25 | stew | Flimzy: you can pass "console=/dev/ttyS0" to the kernel to put THE console on ttyS0, you can list multiple as well |
| 15:34.28 | Flimzy | Dewi: That's the entire reason for this. |
| 15:34.31 | wols | Flimzy: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/ |
| 15:34.35 | Flimzy | stew: cool. Thanks. |
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| 15:34.51 | wols | Flimzy: and this is why your kernel is ready |
| 15:34.55 | Flimzy | stew: Does that make the ttyS0 *as well as* tty0 act as the console? Or do I have to specify both? |
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| 15:35.11 | Flimzy | wols: Okay. I guess your definition of ready and mine are different. |
| 15:35.25 | stew | Flimzy: you have to specify both, its in either Documentation/kernel-paramters.txt or maybe Documentation/serial-console.txt (or something similarly named) |
| 15:35.32 | Flimzy | wols: To me, it's not "ready" until it's actually _ready_. You seem to think "ready" means (it can be made ready) |
| 15:35.42 | Flimzy | stew: spiffy. |
| 15:35.58 | wols | Flimzy: you kernel is fully ready. all you have to do is change your grub and inittab settings as I alluded to above |
| 15:36.04 | Flimzy | wols: Thanks. |
| 15:36.09 | Dewi | Flimzy: well it ain't happening right now this minute, or you wouldn't be here |
| 15:36.20 | Dewi | Flimzy: so sorry for that! I guess linux isn't ready! |
| 15:36.23 | Flimzy | wols: (Of course you don't know which kernel I'm running... but I guess that's beside the point) |
| 15:36.45 | wols | I asked you: does your kernel support your serial port. you said yes -> it's ready |
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| 15:36.53 | moth | for <<it's not "ready" until it's actually _ready_>> I think the issue is the definition of <<it>> not the definition of <<ready> |
| 15:36.55 | Flimzy | wols: Serial support != serial console support. |
| 15:37.26 | Dewi | moth: I'm just waiting for Flimzy to ask a clear question , or at least appear to be persuing the same problem from one second to the next |
| 15:38.25 | Flimzy | wols: Serial support has been in Linux since before kernel 1.0. Serial console support was added in ~2.4, IIRC. |
| 15:38.32 | Dewi | but hey, if everyone wants to argue about semantics that were vague in the first place, then cool! |
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| 15:38.59 | wols | Flimzy: solve your own problems. kthxbye |
| 15:39.05 | Dewi | "my ill defined statement was less likely to be incorrect under particularly circumstances than your ill defined statement! booyah!" |
| 15:39.10 | Dewi | -ly |
| 15:39.19 | Flimzy | wols: Thanks, I will. |
| 15:39.36 | stew | Flimzy: you can ignore wols, you are free to seek help with problems here |
| 15:39.43 | Dewi | ... |
| 15:39.43 | jetscreamer | die die all die |
| 15:40.05 | Dewi | the only person I find myself agreeing with is jetscreamer |
| 15:40.21 | Flimzy | valdyn: BTW, I meant to say thanks for all your help yesterday with DNS. |
| 15:40.21 | wols | but he's gone... |
| 15:40.32 | Dewi | Flimzy: if you're not asking for help then at best you're off-topic and at worst you are shit-stirring |
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| 15:40.49 | Dewi | wols: yeah, an excellent example too - I should be sleeping |
| 15:40.50 | Flimzy | Dewi: *sigh* You're probably right. |
| 15:40.56 | stew | Dewi: what are you talking about. he asked a question, i believe i gave him the answer he was looking for. he question was on-topic. |
| 15:41.20 | Flimzy | I suppose to be technically correct, I *did* ask for help with a problem. But then followed up my question by stating that I found my own answer and that no further assistance was needed. That would be when wols started trolling me. |
| 15:41.28 | Dewi | stew: yah but why all so difficult and hostile! I guess I am too; I'm just grumpy |
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| 15:41.33 | stew | can we just move on then? |
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| 15:41.52 | Flimzy | Then stew offered additional information that was also helpful. |
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| 15:42.32 | robewald | wow the channel is on fire... |
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| 15:42.40 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 15:43.00 | Dewi | putty running in remote desktop is dizzying |
| 15:43.37 | Dewi | goodnight guys, don't get into any fisticuffs without me |
| 15:43.53 | wide_awake | I'm running two brand new servers with debian etch, and have noticed in the past week that apache2 is getting killed at about 6:30am for no particularly good reason. |
| 15:44.17 | wide_awake | not every day, mind you, it happened on one box on Sunday, and on the other this morning. |
| 15:44.24 | stew | wide_awake: 6:25 is when cron.daily runs which runs logrotate, which would attempt to restart apache2 after rotating its logs |
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| 15:44.53 | Flimzy | Well that was amazingly simple. |
| 15:44.53 | wide_awake | stew, that's as far as I go too. |
| 15:44.53 | stew | wide_awake: make sure apache can sucessfully be restarted with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 15:44.53 | Flimzy | Grub over serial is spiffy. |
| 15:44.54 | Flimzy | hrm, kernel panic isn't cool tho |
| 15:44.54 | wide_awake | stew - it can. |
| 15:44.57 | wide_awake | no problems, just restarts normally. |
| 15:45.08 | Dewi | wide_awake: this is hours later though right? |
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| 15:45.26 | Dewi | wide_awake: you getting some kind of error logged when it doesn't come back up on its own? |
| 15:45.27 | wide_awake | Dewi, you mean $now? |
| 15:45.35 | wide_awake | ya. |
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| 15:45.48 | Flimzy | ugh, and someone stole my monitor |
| 15:46.34 | wide_awake | Dewi, I see some "child process couldn't be killed, sending SIGTERM again", then "still couldn't be killed, sending SIGKILL" |
| 15:46.40 | stew | wide_awake: you see that where? |
| 15:46.46 | wide_awake | in the apache error log |
| 15:47.07 | Dewi | wide_awake: that doesn't sound like a particularly smooth apache shutdown. You got some kind of naughty PHP script or something? |
| 15:47.18 | wide_awake | Dewi, not that I know of. |
| 15:47.39 | wide_awake | in fact, php is not even installed on that box. |
| 15:47.40 | stew | wide_awake: you could, perhaps, alter the logrotate script to have it dump stdout/stderr from running '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' into a logfile |
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| 15:47.46 | wide_awake | it's running a tomcat app. |
| 15:48.03 | wide_awake | stew, I'll try that. |
| 15:48.08 | Dewi | wide_awake: assuming there is a time gap between those signals, something isn't responding to them nicely |
| 15:48.21 | wide_awake | true |
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| 15:49.01 | wide_awake | but that shouldn't prevent apache from starting back up, should it? |
| 15:49.01 | Dewi | stew: apache will normally log problems starting to its normal error log. At least it does on FC3 where I've been running it lately (ugh, long story) |
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| 15:50.01 | Flimzy | Anyone have any idea why my kernel would panic when loading the _audio_ driver after turning on the serial console? |
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| 15:50.08 | marsje__ | I have a problem making an alias. A command works on when I run it directly, but doesn't work when I create an alias for it. |
| 15:50.17 | marsje__ | This is the command that works: grep sometext logs/* | cut -d " " -f 3 | sort -u |
| 15:50.37 | marsje__ | and the alias would be the same but I would replace sometext with $1 and log/* with $2 |
| 15:51.04 | Dewi | marsje__: aliases don't have $1 and $2 |
| 15:51.07 | Justin | marsje__: you can't do that with an alias, use a shell function or a shell script |
| 15:51.08 | vchrizz | what are good/better alternatives for vmware,bochs or similar? |
| 15:51.11 | stew | marsje__: you can't use $1, $2 in an alias, make a function intsead |
| 15:51.32 | Dewi | stew: ooh, you don't need a bash script? intriguing |
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| 15:52.19 | marsje__ | I tried to make a script, but I get the same thing |
| 15:52.22 | stew | Dewi: no, you can define a function like, "foo() { grep $1 $2 | cut -d... ; } |
| 15:52.24 | Dewi | vchrizz: I use vmware normally, but people talk about zen, virtual iron... virtualbox... |
| 15:52.31 | Dewi | vchrizz: er I mean xen |
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| 15:52.39 | x3n0 | iceweasel keeps kicking off & closing whenever i got to open a scripted link. has anyone else come accross this? |
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| 15:53.10 | Dewi | marsje__: the same what? you haven't said what's going wrong |
| 15:53.24 | vchrizz | Dewi: ya, i already read about xen .. but what is the "fastest working"? |
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| 15:53.34 | marsje__ | an error like this: sort: open failed: home.nl: No such file or directory |
| 15:53.42 | marsje__ | where home.nl is the first argument |
| 15:54.01 | StucKman | marsje__: is a dangling sysmlink? |
| 15:54.06 | Dewi | vchrizz: shrug. I think opinions differ, and it's likely to depend what you're doing. Bochs is pretty slow though. VMware has been around a long time therefore I tend to trust it to be reasonably stable and fast |
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| 15:54.24 | marsje__ | StucKman: no |
| 15:54.30 | marsje__ | Dewi: let me try again with the script |
| 15:54.38 | StucKman | marsje__: try running it under strace |
| 15:54.46 | Dewi | marsje__: er, but that's you using an alias. Why would 'sort' be opening anything unless you were passing it a filename? |
| 15:55.56 | vchrizz | i know vmware, its pretty fast but eats lot of system ressources... when i run vmware, i nearly cant work on the host... |
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| 15:56.16 | stew | marsje__: how are you trying to call your script? if you are calling it with something like "scrriptname sometext logs/*" then realize that the * will be expanded by the shell before it hits your script, so $2 would only contain the first match to logs/* |
| 15:56.24 | vchrizz | does xen support windows? |
| 15:56.27 | Dewi | vchrizz: seems okay to me, unless a lot of I/O is going on. I find lowering the priority helps a lot |
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| 15:56.56 | abrotman | vchrizz: the xen FAQ answers that |
| 15:57.12 | vchrizz | abrotman: ok :) |
| 15:57.12 | Dewi | anyway, really gotta go. cheers lads |
| 15:57.17 | marsje__ | ah, it seems to be working now, after realizing that if you make a script and an alias with the same name, the alias will be called, not the script |
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| 15:57.32 | marsje__ | also it seems that a ~ in a argument does not work |
| 15:57.42 | Dewi | marsje__: heh, it certainly will |
| 15:57.53 | marsje__ | but not the # |
| 15:57.57 | Dewi | marsje__: there's "does not work" again |
| 15:57.57 | marsje__ | * I mean |
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| 15:58.27 | stew | marsje__: it will, you just have to escape it so your shell doens't expand it |
| 15:58.31 | Dewi | marsje__: the way bash handles arguments, especially with expansions like ~, and wildcards, and anything that might be interpreted as several words, is not always obvious. |
| 15:58.40 | Flimzy | Ugh. stupid kernel panics. |
| 15:58.45 | marsje__ | ./myscript somedir/* should be ./myscript "somedir/*", right? |
| 15:58.56 | StucKman | marsje__: yah |
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| 15:59.19 | StucKman | but then you can't do the expansion |
| 15:59.36 | Dewi | marsje__: you might want to get in the habit of putting quotes around $1 et al as well, otherwise it might expand to several words, which is rarely what you expect. Rarely what I expect anyway |
| 15:59.36 | StucKman | try using "$@" in your script/alias |
| 15:59.45 | marsje__ | I'm pretty sure everything works in bash, but it's kinda confusing for an amature like me to use $1 $2, *, ~, ', " all in the same line |
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| 16:00.25 | marsje__ | Dewi: you mean quite $1 in the script itself? |
| 16:00.27 | EnsignRedshirt | I am getting a steady stream of entries in /var/log/cups/access_log of the form: localhost - - [03/May/2007:11:57:13 -0400] "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 80 |
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| 16:00.44 | marsje__ | StucKman: what is $@ ? |
| 16:00.44 | EnsignRedshirt | I get dozens per second sometimes. |
| 16:01.09 | EnsignRedshirt | Are these normal log entries? |
| 16:01.23 | StucKman | marsje__: see man bash; it's the list of parameters as if each one where surrounded by "'s |
| 16:01.28 | Dewi | marsje__: yeah, or any parameter with a space will be interpreted as two words in the *internal* bash processor |
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| 16:01.51 | wide_awake | Does it mess anything up if logrotate has to deal with huge files? Still trying to track down my apache2 problems. |
| 16:02.04 | marsje__ | useful info guys.. thanks |
| 16:02.06 | Dewi | wide_awake: size of files should not really matter |
| 16:02.16 | wide_awake | Dewi, ok, that's what I thought. |
| 16:02.23 | StucKman | EnsignRedshirt: yes, they are. what is not normal is that someone is trying to do that |
| 16:02.24 | wide_awake | especially with "delaycompress" |
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| 16:02.58 | StucKman | marsje__: I strongly suggest reading the bash manpage and "advanced bash programming" |
| 16:03.08 | EnsignRedshirt | StucKman: Do you know what the entries mean? |
| 16:03.12 | Dewi | wide_awake: what I really mean is... I'd be horrified if that mattered because logs are huge quite often |
| 16:03.23 | Dewi | wide_awake: personally I don't rotate logs though |
| 16:03.27 | StucKman | EnsignRedshirt: someone's POSTing the url / |
| 16:03.44 | StucKman | seems like from your own machine |
| 16:03.45 | wide_awake | Dewi, what do you do with them? |
| 16:03.47 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: sounds like maybe the page auto-refreshes |
| 16:04.02 | Dewi | wide_awake: let them keep growing. Haven't decided yet what I'll do next :) |
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| 16:04.11 | wide_awake | seems like a good plan ;) |
| 16:04.20 | wide_awake | unfortunately mine grow about 5GB per week |
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| 16:04.38 | Dewi | wide_awake: sounds like your web site is more popular than any of mine |
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| 16:04.43 | wide_awake | heh |
| 16:04.56 | EnsignRedshirt | stew: I'm not sure what you mean by "the page"? |
| 16:05.05 | wide_awake | that's why I was informed that the site was down at 6:30am :( |
| 16:05.06 | nannan | Can some one suggest a bandwidth shaper for an interface like ethernet. I tried wondershaper & trickle(the one in the repo). that didn't work out good. |
| 16:05.07 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: i mean "/" |
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| 16:05.54 | abrotman | vchrizz: did you find it ? |
| 16:05.55 | EnsignRedshirt | StucKman left. What did he mean by "someone's POSTing the url /"? |
| 16:06.16 | Justin | EnsignRedshirt: you have a printer applet or something running? |
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| 16:06.37 | stew | EnsignRedshirt: POST is one of the ways of requesting a web page. i'm saying that the webpage returned by "/" on the cups webserver is probably one with a meta refresh tag |
| 16:06.48 | Dewi | EnsignRedshirt: the log entry you pasted specifically described somebody requesting a HTTP POST for URL / |
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| 16:07.09 | Julius | hi, RichiH are u there ? |
| 16:07.13 | EnsignRedshirt | Dewi, stew: I see. |
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| 16:07.16 | Dewi | EnsignRedshirt: in web browser terms that would be like a form submission on the top page of your... site |
| 16:07.24 | abrotman | vchrizz: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenFaq#head-fcb85a149da66907086cc8ba4f0793ad01769b92 .. in case you couldn't find it |
| 16:07.43 | Dewi | EnsignRedshirt: I don't know cups well enough to know if you are talking about a web admin thing, or some part of CUPs itself |
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| 16:08.09 | Justin | most of the cups management interface and related tools use http, it is not web related |
| 16:08.22 | EnsignRedshirt | Justin: cupsd is running, and "gnome-cups-icon" |
| 16:08.50 | Dewi | EnsignRedshirt: perhaps it's how the icon keeps itself current or something |
| 16:10.51 | RichiH | Julius: yes? |
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| 16:11.31 | Julius | RichiH, hello ! I'm trying to join a member of the staff ! can u help me ? |
| 16:11.35 | bugster | ceasar you here ? |
| 16:11.37 | bugster | lol |
| 16:11.44 | Julius | RichiH, hmmm to speak to* |
| 16:11.57 | RichiH | Julius: sure |
| 16:12.10 | Julius | RichiH, in fact my nickname is owned by some1 else |
| 16:12.23 | Julius | RichiH, but he didn't come for 2 years |
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| 16:12.50 | Julius | RichiH, so i'd like to get it if it's possible !? |
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| 16:12.57 | EnsignRedshirt | OK, I renamed /usr/bin/gnome-cups-icon, and killed the gnome-cups-icon process, and now I'm not getting the stream of entries in cups' access_log. |
| 16:13.09 | RichiH | Julius: done |
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| 16:13.21 | EnsignRedshirt | So it seems gnome-cups-icon was the culprit. |
| 16:13.38 | Julius | RichiH, thanks very much :-) |
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| 16:14.07 | Julius | on fait comment pour s'enregistrer sur le réseau ? |
| 16:14.09 | earthian | hello, does debian kernel 686-bigmem has full support of NTFS filesystems??? |
| 16:14.15 | RichiH | Julius: np |
| 16:14.34 | earthian | i have this in /boot/config | grep NTFS -> CONFIG_NTFS_FS=m # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y |
| 16:14.41 | wols | earthian: read only only. you need ntfs3g for write support |
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| 16:14.51 | earthian | :/ |
| 16:14.59 | wols | that kernel module doesn't fully support RW |
| 16:15.08 | earthian | i see |
| 16:15.19 | earthian | i get now permission denied while touching it |
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| 16:15.30 | earthian | i.e. touch /ntsf/testfile |
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| 16:17.57 | [bman] | ntfs right? (ntsf...) |
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| 16:19.50 | ofir | how do I install a Network Block Device? |
| 16:20.02 | Enverex | It's threads like this that remind me why Debian is better than Ubuntu... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421772&goto=newpost -- it's just plain silly to be honest |
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| 16:21.05 | earthian | bah default debian kernel is not good to use with NTFS volumes :( |
| 16:21.12 | earthian | needs at least 2.6.20 |
| 16:21.18 | [bman] | ofir: http://nbd.sourceforge.net/ (i found it using google) |
| 16:21.23 | earthian | at least thats a warning i got with ntfs-3g |
| 16:21.43 | earthian | and i am using lenny even! :/ |
| 16:21.50 | ofir | [bman]: thanks |
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| 16:23.06 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 16:23.06 | gypsymauro | someone knows where I can find freenx for debian? |
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| 16:23.37 | Heimdall | good afternoon guys |
| 16:24.17 | Heimdall | we have a small server at work that we use as a router, proxy, web and mailserver for out intranet and to connect to the outside world via ppp/adsl |
| 16:24.31 | Heimdall | it was running debian sarge without problem, and we thought it would be a good idea to upgrade it to etch |
| 16:24.36 | Flimzy | hrmph. so my serial console is causing udev to kernel panic |
| 16:24.40 | Heimdall | we did a pkg update, and after that a dist-upgrade |
| 16:24.53 | Heimdall | almost everything went fine, except one little thing: |
| 16:25.07 | Heimdall | none of out ethernet interfaces are recognized now |
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| 16:25.21 | Heimdall | theyre not shown even with ifconfig -a |
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| 16:26.05 | vchrizz | Heimdall: did you change/upgrade the kernel? do they show up in dmesg? |
| 16:26.32 | earthian | Heimdall, check if anything is wrong with /etc/network/interfaces and yes you might need a different kernel? |
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| 16:26.50 | earthian | Heimdall, does lspci show your nics? |
| 16:27.47 | Heimdall | theyre not shown in dmesg it seems |
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| 16:28.16 | sepski | Heimdall, load the kernel modules. |
| 16:28.20 | sepski | Heimdall, what kind of nic ? |
| 16:28.26 | sepski | lspci if you dont know |
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| 16:29.15 | Heimdall | yes, there are our 2 ethernet controllers |
| 16:29.22 | Heimdall | both 3com corp |
| 16:30.01 | doudou | quit |
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| 16:31.01 | ofir | my mirror seem like its down |
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| 16:31.04 | simonrvn | probaably 3c59x, maybe |
| 16:31.11 | simonrvn | s,aa,a, |
| 16:31.18 | Heimdall | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.23 | Heimdall | 3c905B and C |
| 16:31.47 | Heimdall | theyre named "[Tornado]" and "[Cyclone]" |
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| 16:32.21 | Heimdall | kernel version is 2.4.27 revision 2 |
| 16:32.27 | simonrvn | 'k |
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| 16:33.10 | fio | hey, how can I change the global path ? |
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| 16:33.37 | fio | like $PATH... but for all the system users |
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| 16:34.00 | Heimdall | any idea simonrvn? |
| 16:34.10 | Alumin | anybody know of a gcc 4.x backport for Sarge? |
| 16:34.19 | wols | fio: /etc/protocols |
| 16:34.22 | wols | !tell Alumin about backports |
| 16:34.35 | simonrvn | Heimdall: should be working... |
| 16:34.49 | simonrvn | fio: /etc/profile |
| 16:34.52 | simonrvn | wols: o_O |
| 16:35.01 | fio | simonrvn: cheers |
| 16:35.25 | wols | simonrvn: damn path complete in irssi. thanks for correcting me |
| 16:35.38 | simonrvn | hehe, np. i figured that was it =) |
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| 16:36.26 | simonrvn | Heimdall: tried modprobing the modules and bringing the ifaces up? |
| 16:36.49 | Flimzy | Anyone know if it's possible to send things like Ctrl-Alt-Del over a serial console? |
| 16:36.55 | simonrvn | check lsmod first make sure they're there before bringing them up |
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| 16:37.14 | J3ff | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.20 | fio | simonrvn: worked a treat; lovely :) thank you |
| 16:37.24 | simonrvn | nice |
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| 16:39.07 | ofir | where is the 'all mirrors' list? |
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| 16:39.07 | stew | ofir: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:39.18 | ofir | 10x stew |
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| 16:39.28 | earthian | how can I record a DVD movie from my video camera ? |
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| 16:39.36 | earthian | with debian ^ |
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| 16:41.51 | simonrvn | !10x |
| 16:41.51 | dpkg | somebody said 10x was a l33t way of saying "thank you", or see <pls> |
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| 16:42.04 | simonrvn | s,l33t,idiotic, |
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| 16:42.30 | krazykit | i can see b10, but not 10x |
| 16:43.49 | Heimdall | I think I have found the solution |
| 16:44.02 | Heimdall | whats the steps necessary to install a module? |
| 16:44.03 | Heimdall | insmod module ? |
| 16:44.08 | karsten | Heimdall: Curiously, I've found the precipitate. |
| 16:44.16 | karsten | Heimdall: Or modprobe, preferred. |
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| 16:45.30 | Heimdall | isnt modprobe to test a module? |
| 16:45.35 | doudou | open('/dev/dsp1'): No such file or directory |
| 16:45.40 | karsten | Heimdall: man modprobe |
| 16:45.41 | Heimdall | I want it to load everytime machine reboots |
| 16:45.45 | Heimdall | im reading it |
| 16:45.47 | Heimdall | cant found the answer |
| 16:45.58 | karsten | !tell doudou about sound |
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| 16:46.09 | karsten | Heimdall: modprobe - program to add and remove modules from the Linux Kernel |
| 16:46.16 | karsten | Heimdall: Further questions? |
| 16:46.26 | simonrvn | ofir, please don't take it as an attack on you, ok? wasn't meant that way |
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| 16:46.28 | krazykit | if you want to autoinsert a module, add it to /etc/modules |
| 16:47.04 | doudou | karsten, how i know modules to modprobe? |
| 16:47.06 | simonrvn | Heimdall: um, i told you this 10 minutes ago... |
| 16:47.18 | rocketmagnet | what video player for mpeg and avi should i use for debian ? |
| 16:47.25 | xuser | Where do one installs the win32 codecs for mplayer in debian? |
| 16:47.34 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: vlc |
| 16:47.36 | karsten | doudou: Read the factoid dpkg told you. |
| 16:47.40 | karsten | !marillat |
| 16:47.40 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 16:47.57 | ofir | simonrvn: ok, no harm done ;) |
| 16:48.20 | doudou | karsten, i dont know how to use dpkg, until here i played aptitude install and all worked fine |
| 16:48.20 | Heimdall | ok its rebooting |
| 16:48.21 | simonrvn | i just love it when people ask me something directly, and i answer them, and ignore me as if i never spoke to them |
| 16:48.23 | Heimdall | wish me luck guys |
| 16:48.25 | jimbalaya | In my most recent 'atp-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade', I was prompted for an upgrade to a few kernel-source related things, but the upgrades are the same version of what's already installed on my system |
| 16:48.35 | simonrvn | wtf would you reboot? |
| 16:48.35 | Heimdall | simonrvn, excuse me |
| 16:48.36 | doudou | karsten, factoid .. ? |
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| 16:48.48 | karsten | !factoid |
| 16:48.48 | Heimdall | I added the module to /etc/modules |
| 16:48.48 | dpkg | somebody said factoid was something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 16:48.48 | kth` | Fact: There are nine rooms on a 'Clue' game board. A forfeited baseball game is recorded as a 9-0 score. |
| 16:49.23 | xuser | !win32 |
| 16:49.23 | dpkg | i guess win32 is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 16:49.32 | colkhis | When I play a dvd with gxine0.5.8 I have image freeze ups (sound is continious). I have libdvdcss and xserver-xorg-video-i810. What do you think is the problem? |
| 16:49.42 | karsten | !w32codecs |
| 16:49.42 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 16:49.43 | doudou | karsten, thanks, tell me more about what i need to learn and read |
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| 16:49.49 | karsten | doudou: No. |
| 16:50.03 | colkhis | thank you |
| 16:50.12 | ustunozgur | doudou: just install vlc. |
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| 16:50.33 | jimbalaya | i noticed that one of my sources has http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1_all.deb and another source has http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.18_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_all.deb ... any ideas on what to do here? |
| 16:50.44 | doudou | i dont want vlc, i want pulse audio to mix wav files and such stuff |
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| 16:51.17 | stew | jimbalaya: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1286 |
| 16:51.28 | ustunozgur | then, you add debian-multimedia as a repository and download the packages w32codecs etc. |
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| 16:52.31 | doudou | i dont want to copy video, seems very stupid to me, loose time and then discover they are outdated, i want to play sounds only |
| 16:52.34 | jimbalaya | ah, thanks stew |
| 16:52.57 | doudou | is there something forbiden with pulseaudio? |
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| 16:53.15 | earthian | so is there a way to record a video to a dvd from my camcorder?? |
| 16:53.31 | rocketmagnet | how to find out which debian i use (woody, sarge, etch?) |
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| 16:54.03 | eeyore- | earthian: google for "linux dvd authoring software" |
| 16:54.07 | stew | rocketmagnet: the most reliable way is to compare your installed libc6 pacakge version with those available oh http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:54.25 | stew | rocketmagnet: err specifically http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 16:54.28 | earthian | ok eeyore- thanks. keywords are helpfull too ;) |
| 16:54.37 | rocketmagnet | stew: thx |
| 16:54.43 | stew | rocketmagnet: less reliably would be to look at /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:55.39 | eeyore- | like this one, http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=87 hmm? |
| 16:56.12 | simonrvn | Heimdall: you're excused |
| 16:56.41 | doudou | karsten, what is problem, tell me |
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| 16:56.59 | eeyore- | rocketmagnet: if it's old, it's woody, if it's tolerable, it's sarge, if it's just slightly mouldy, it's etch, and if it's brand-spanking-new and slightly breaky, it's sid |
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| 16:57.33 | krazykit | eeyore-, where's lenny? |
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| 16:57.38 | Ronin | !lenny |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 16:57.49 | Van-AFK | excuse me, is there anyway to test the speed of our internet trough ssh? |
| 16:58.12 | krazykit | ... i know about lenny. i was asking where it was in his list of characteristics. |
| 16:58.20 | eeyore- | van-af: that's a stupid way to test the speed. you're more likely to test the speed at which your CPU does encryption / decryption than testing speed |
| 16:58.25 | Ronin | ahh :) |
| 16:58.36 | HardDisk_WP | !lenny? |
| 16:58.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 16:58.53 | valdyn | eeyore-: you haved gbit internet? |
| 16:59.17 | Van | eeyore-: what do you mean? |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | Van: you have no other connectivity ? |
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| 16:59.42 | eeyore- | Van: why not use something uncompressed, doesn't involve any middle layers? plain FTP maybe? |
| 16:59.56 | stew | i wish i had internet that was so fast that my encryption speed were actually teh bottleneck |
| 16:59.57 | ofir | would nbd-server create /dev/nb0? |
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| 17:00.12 | dwidmann | :\ I just installed etch ... and dma doesn't seem to want to work. Is it a (known) issue with the 2.6.18 kernel (or something of that nature)? |
| 17:00.15 | eeyore- | stew: he could have a slow CPU ... |
| 17:00.43 | Van | eeyore-:i wanna try to know what is my internet upload speed. |
| 17:00.49 | abrotman | netcat! |
| 17:00.50 | valdyn | dwidmann: why doesnt dma work? how do you know? |
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| 17:01.04 | eeyore- | Van: why not ask your ISP what the cap is? 128kbps maybe? |
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| 17:01.34 | dwidmann | valdyn: slow transfers, messages in dmesg |
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| 17:01.52 | valdyn | dwidmann: which messages |
| 17:01.55 | concept10 | !info xen |
| 17:02.00 | dwidmann | valdyn: one moment |
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| 17:02.05 | Van | eeyore-: the think is isp always lies |
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| 17:02.16 | Van | eeyore-: it said 10mbit dedicated, i wanna see it myself |
| 17:02.37 | valdyn | Van: so run an scp command, ssh is fine for this |
| 17:02.42 | abrotman | Van: do you have a remote site that has 10mb also ? |
| 17:02.43 | valdyn | !scp |
| 17:02.43 | dpkg | hmm... scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 17:02.49 | Van | nop. |
| 17:02.56 | abrotman | so how would you test it ? |
| 17:03.09 | Van | that the question i am asking... |
| 17:03.11 | abrotman | if the remote doesn't have 10mb .. you're going to be bottlenecked at the remote |
| 17:03.17 | eeyore- | Van: samba suite has source / sink command. they print throughput speed |
| 17:03.29 | krazykit | Van, http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ |
| 17:03.45 | krazykit | speakeasy should be able to tell you your real-life speeds well enough |
| 17:03.47 | Van | krazykit does tat site support no-graphic environement spped? |
| 17:03.53 | krazykit | oh, nope |
| 17:03.55 | GoldenMunky | It's a marketing gimick :) |
| 17:03.57 | Van | X( |
| 17:04.03 | krazykit | it's flash :-( |
| 17:04.08 | Van | X((( |
| 17:04.21 | GoldenMunky | If they say it's 10 mb, it's really 6 or less :P |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | krazykit: that'll work great for a server! |
| 17:04.30 | valdyn | Van: im not sure why you think measuring your link speed is hard at all |
| 17:04.42 | dwidmann | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/27095 |
| 17:04.44 | eeyore- | abrotman: we're getting DS3 put in this place in Q3 |
| 17:04.46 | Van | i have no idea how to mesureing the speed haha |
| 17:04.51 | krazykit | abrotman, maybe i didn't know it was a server >:o |
| 17:04.58 | valdyn | Van: download something? |
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| 17:05.07 | Van | i wanna try the upload speed tat why |
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| 17:05.10 | valdyn | Van: im sure you can download if you have internet access |
| 17:05.21 | abrotman | eeyore-: you suck :) |
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| 17:05.49 | stew | Van: host the amd64 etch dvds in bittorrent, you'l quickly find out how much upstream you have |
| 17:05.54 | valdyn | dwidmann: so your cdrom is broken |
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| 17:06.05 | valdyn | dwidmann: or the cable, or the driver for your atapi controller |
| 17:06.18 | valdyn | dwidmann: or the disk |
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| 17:06.26 | dwidmann | broken? No ... always worked fine before |
| 17:06.33 | dwidmann | same problem crops up with any disk |
| 17:06.56 | eeyore- | dwidmann: it could just be that you allowed the generic ATAPI driver to see your device first, so it grabs hold of it and doesn't allow the chip-specific driver to manage it, hence no DMA |
| 17:07.03 | valdyn | dwidmann: so its not the disk, remain 4 possibilities |
| 17:07.11 | Van | stew: LOL |
| 17:07.25 | Van | stew: porn would do the thing too |
| 17:07.26 | valdyn | eeyore-: no, his dma just went off due to errors |
| 17:07.49 | abrotman | bad CD ? |
| 17:07.56 | eeyore- | valdyn: you mean it was working along just fine, then errors occured, then no DMA afterwards? |
| 17:08.05 | valdyn | eeyore-: yes |
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| 17:08.18 | eeyore- | valdyn: rmmod and modprobe, maybe? |
| 17:08.21 | dwidmann | eeyore-: well, that error crops up after the first read attempt |
| 17:08.32 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 17:08.33 | eeyore- | dwidmann: dvd? |
| 17:08.37 | dwidmann | mmhmm |
| 17:08.48 | eeyore- | dwidmann: were you trying to rip it? |
| 17:08.49 | valdyn | eeyore-: i think it starts to fail very very soon, so its a bad cable or something that reinserting the same driver wont fix |
| 17:08.54 | dwidmann | eeyore-: nope |
| 17:09.04 | eeyore- | dwidmann: it's ok if you did :-) |
| 17:09.17 | valdyn | dwidmann: use a different kernel / a livecd or whatever |
| 17:09.25 | valdyn | dwidmann: see if that issue goes away |
| 17:09.28 | dwidmann | valdyn: that's my point |
| 17:09.45 | dwidmann | worked okay with previous kernels |
| 17:10.23 | valdyn | dwidmann: right now you're only thinking that that is due to the new kernel, go verify that first.. |
| 17:10.29 | GoldenMunky | T |
| 17:10.37 | GoldenMunky | oops sorry |
| 17:11.00 | Fox_1_ | i have hp laserjet 1012, which driver i must install hpijs or hplip? |
| 17:11.26 | dwidmann | valdyn: it worked fine last night (or was it this morning? same thing...)with my Knoppix livedvd |
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| 17:11.42 | Waggie | I'm trying to figure out why 1) This PHP script isn't working and 2) Why the fuck would they create a PHP script do to the job of a shell script? |
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| 17:12.36 | stew | Waggie: what script. do you get an error? i have often created php scripts instead of shell scripts when i was making use of some already written php code |
| 17:13.17 | Gnea | it's better than a server-side script execution |
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| 17:14.15 | jelly | is there a way to pin all packages built from one source package (without enumerating them)? |
| 17:14.16 | mmmmmmmmm | is there an apt-get command that lets you completely remove something |
| 17:14.24 | mmmmmmmmm | also from the filesystem |
| 17:14.29 | zenwryly | mmmmmmmmm: aptitude purge |
| 17:14.42 | zenwryly | mmmmmmmmm: or apt-get remove --purge |
| 17:14.54 | rocketmagnet | stew: how to set the actual repository for synapse to debian-multimedia ?? |
| 17:15.17 | stew | rocketmagnet: huh? |
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| 17:15.27 | Waggie | Hmm.. Fair enough.. This PHP file is generating Shoutcast configs. I'm migrating from Gentoo to Debian and they were serving multiple streams from static files. |
| 17:15.31 | grendal_prime | where the hell are the conf files for snmp? |
| 17:15.33 | stew | rocketmagnet: i think you must mean someone else |
| 17:15.38 | grendal_prime | client that is |
| 17:15.39 | rocketmagnet | i want to install win32codec packages |
| 17:15.47 | stew | rocketmagnet: that's not something i'd help you with |
| 17:15.55 | [bman] | grendal_prime: /etc/snmp/snmp.conf |
| 17:17.45 | rocketmagnet | the other one is not here anymore, so i thought you may also know |
| 17:17.45 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: who the hell told you there was a win32codecs package? |
| 17:17.46 | [bman] | grendal_prime: man snmp.conf && man snmpd.conf |
| 17:17.46 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: or are you making up that name all by yourself? |
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| 17:17.47 | grendal_prime | ya bman...what would cause that to not get created... |
| 17:17.47 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 17:17.47 | grendal_prime | k |
| 17:17.47 | valdyn | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:17.47 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
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| 17:17.50 | ustunozgur | !w32codecs |
| 17:17.50 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 17:17.50 | [bman] | grendal_prime: also check out snmpconf(1) |
| 17:17.51 | Skrot | Hi. I've got some cron-tasks in my users crontab. Is there a way to manually execute a job before its time via crontab? |
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| 17:17.54 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: 18:50 < ustunozgur> then, you add debian-multimedia as a repository and download the packages w32codecs etc. |
| 17:17.54 | ustunozgur | right. |
| 17:17.55 | Waggie | I get three errors, "opendir(/content): failed to open dir...", "Invalid argument supplied for foreach", and "file_put_contents() failed to open stream" |
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| 17:17.58 | abrotman | Skrot: just run it ? |
| 17:18.02 | valdyn | Waggie: /j #php |
| 17:18.03 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: ah =), but how to select debian-multimedia ? |
| 17:18.03 | Flimzy | I'm trying to find a more concise way of sending a BREAK over telnet than doing a full "^]send brk". Is there any way to map a BRK to a specific key sequence, or maybe a better telnet client to use? |
| 17:18.05 | Waggie | valdyn, yeah probably a good idea.. thanks |
| 17:18.27 | ustunozgur | add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" to sources.list |
| 17:18.36 | ustunozgur | replace lenny with your release. |
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| 17:19.03 | mrgenixus | so I'm trying to instal nvidia-version 8776 and Xorg doesn't seem to recognize the userspace driver. |
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| 17:19.03 | Skrot | abrotman: But I want crontab to execute it. You see, I've got a rsync script that runs every 15 minutes, but some times I wish to rsync before that. If I execute the script manually, and the cron job starts before the script is done, both will rsync at the same time |
| 17:19.21 | valdyn | mrgenixus: what exactly did you do? |
| 17:19.33 | mrgenixus | I upgraded using synacptic |
| 17:19.37 | mrgenixus | (smart upgrade) |
| 17:19.43 | abrotman | Skrot: ah .. you can't wait 15 mintues ? |
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| 17:19.50 | Skrot | abrotman: No, not always :) |
| 17:19.57 | mrgenixus | now I can't install a driver recognize byXorg |
| 17:20.10 | valdyn | mrgenixus: is nvidia-glx installed? |
| 17:20.14 | moth | Skrot: if you really need this, write yourself a shell script which locks out other instances of itself, and use that |
| 17:20.31 | mrgenixus | valdyn: yes |
| 17:20.47 | valdyn | mrgenixus: how do you know? |
| 17:20.49 | mrgenixus | the version matches the installed kernel driver version |
| 17:20.50 | Skrot | moth: Okay, so there is no way to make crontab execute a script via command line then? |
| 17:20.58 | valdyn | mrgenixus: dpkg -l nvidia-glx | tail -1 |
| 17:21.04 | mrgenixus | dpkg !tell valdyn about installed packages |
| 17:21.19 | valdyn | mrgenixus: heh, dont tell me |
| 17:21.22 | mrgenixus | lol |
| 17:21.30 | mrgenixus | that's how I knwo it's installed, lol |
| 17:21.33 | valdyn | mrgenixus: how do you know thet X does not 'recognise' it? |
| 17:21.39 | mrgenixus | X errors |
| 17:21.45 | valdyn | mrgenixus: ... |
| 17:21.48 | valdyn | mrgenixus: like what? |
| 17:21.56 | abrotman | and if the second one starts .. it sohuldn't copy anything |
| 17:22.31 | mrgenixus | valdyn: "failed to load module 'nvidia' module does not exist," |
| 17:22.37 | abrotman | Maneit: what if you made a second script that only does a portion ? |
| 17:22.42 | mrgenixus | valdyn: "no Drivers available" |
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| 17:23.19 | eeyore- | valdyn: gentoo has win32codecs USE flag :-) what's wrong with debian? |
| 17:23.20 | mrgenixus | is there a special version of GLX for xorg, as compared to Xfree? or is it the same package? |
| 17:23.20 | valdyn | mrgenixus: ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
| 17:23.41 | mrgenixus | valdyn: yes |
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| 17:24.00 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: W: Kann nicht auf die Liste http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) der Quellpakete zugreifen. - stat (2 Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden) |
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| 17:24.27 | mrgenixus | valdyn: no, actually nvidia_drv.o |
| 17:24.28 | mstrobert | If I install a "transition package" (for a kernel), is that a good thing in that it will always point to something desirable, or a bad thing in that it's temporal and will disappear some day or otherwise not point to what I want? |
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| 17:24.56 | abrotman | mrgenixus: shouldn't that be .ko ? |
| 17:24.56 | valdyn | !find nvidia_drv.so |
| 17:24.58 | valdyn | !find nvidia_drv.o |
| 17:25.05 | valdyn | abrotman: not a kernel module |
| 17:25.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia_drv.o' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy. |
| 17:25.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvidia_drv.so' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx. |
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| 17:25.52 | mrgenixus | so the package is corrup? |
| 17:26.01 | valdyn | mrgenixus: try making a symlink name .so |
| 17:26.03 | valdyn | mrgenixus: try making a symlink named .so |
| 17:26.15 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 17:26.18 | valdyn | mrgenixus: we will know more after that symlink works or not |
| 17:26.41 | mrgenixus | according to dpkg .o is also a member of that package |
| 17:27.40 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: in english? |
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| 17:28.20 | mrgenixus | valdyn: nope, doesn't work |
| 17:28.32 | valdyn | mrgenixus: what's the new error? |
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| 17:29.18 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: Are you sure you entered this: "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" with no slash after etch? |
| 17:29.26 | ustunozgur | try also "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" |
| 17:29.34 | mrgenixus | valdyn: same error |
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| 17:29.49 | mrgenixus | it attempted to load, but failed, and nloded |
| 17:29.58 | mrgenixus | that's the only diference |
| 17:30.02 | valdyn | mrgenixus: the literal error |
| 17:30.15 | valdyn | mrgenixus: i cant work with your descriptions |
| 17:31.06 | abrotman | valdyn: ah ok |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | valdyn: shows how much i know about the nvidia binary stuff :) |
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| 17:32.00 | mrgenixus | I'll paste to #flood |
| 17:32.02 | novata_peleona | hi.... |
| 17:32.12 | stew | abrotman: get my xgl working in vmware, please |
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| 17:32.32 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:32.32 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 17:32.36 | novata_peleona | anybody knows about httptunnel for ssh? |
| 17:32.54 | valdyn | !ssh tunnel |
| 17:32.54 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
| 17:33.12 | mrgenixus | ty |
| 17:33.13 | mrgenixus | http://paste.debian.net/27101 |
| 17:33.54 | valdyn | mrgenixus: paste your xorg.conf there too |
| 17:33.57 | mrgenixus | kk |
| 17:34.18 | valdyn | my guess is 'Load "nvidia"', which is silly, but let's see |
| 17:34.19 | novata_peleona | i am trying to mount a http tunnel for get ssh access |
| 17:34.43 | novata_peleona | i tried httptunnel package for debian, but i cant find where to configure it |
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| 17:34.57 | novata_peleona | where the file is |
| 17:35.06 | mrgenixus | http://paste.debian.net/27102 |
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| 17:35.41 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: it works now, thx |
| 17:36.39 | JOSE | somebody know how I can put on wol in shutdown process for poweron my computer later from net ?? |
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| 17:37.04 | mrgenixus | JOSE: perdon? |
| 17:37.04 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: you might consider installing mplayer etc as well. |
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| 17:37.39 | eeyore- | stew: it's supposed to? (GL under vmware) |
| 17:37.46 | Ronin | JOSE: wake on lan? |
| 17:38.00 | valdyn | mrgenixus: you have a mix of xorg and xfree86 on your system? |
| 17:38.05 | mrgenixus | no. |
| 17:38.06 | SFNRadio | i've been using etch since before it was stable, in my apt sources I have etch in there not testing, when etch went to stable it shouldn't affect this system, right? |
| 17:38.09 | mrgenixus | nfaik |
| 17:38.24 | rocketmagnet | i've done allready |
| 17:38.24 | rocketmagnet | the only problem left is the mysql-server |
| 17:38.24 | rocketmagnet | i can't remove it because it's not installed but everytime i install something dpkg tries to start and stop mysql ... |
| 17:38.24 | jelly | JOSE: ethtool? |
| 17:38.26 | JOSE | mrgenixus: perdón por mi nivel de inglés, lo sé, es penoso .. decía que se sabias como activar el WOL para mi tarjeta de red durante el apagado del sistema, ya que me está pasando, que al apagarlo, queda desactivado y no puedo poner en marcha el equipo utilizando una llamada wol .. |
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| 17:38.33 | xuser | What do i need to play .flv in mplayer? |
| 17:38.33 | mrgenixus | valdyn: I was originally rnning Xfree, and migated when they changed the license like 18mo's ago |
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| 17:38.45 | stew | eeyore-: (it was a joke, i know that abrotman would not touch such a configuration (nor would I)) |
| 17:38.47 | SFNRadio | I started using etch when it was "frozen" now its stable, good stuff, I'd REALLY like to have proper apache default pages and the such in there |
| 17:38.48 | xuser | I installed w32codecs |
| 17:39.04 | alexIdoia | hey I am on a system that does not show me the path of where I am in the promt, to echo it what is the cmd ? |
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| 17:39.13 | JOSE | mrgenixus: se que en gentoo se consigue modificando un fichero de configuración para que al apagar no desative esta función, me gustaría saber que configuración hay que tocar en debian para poder hacer lo mismo. |
| 17:39.15 | mrgenixus | I just upgraded when debian forced me too; more acurately, I didn't do any extra work to keep an undestribted package on my system |
| 17:39.16 | valdyn | alexIdoia: echo $PWD |
| 17:39.19 | alexIdoia | thanks |
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| 17:39.27 | jelly | pwd ftw |
| 17:39.42 | eeyore- | alexIdoia: "man bash", PS1, read the various substitutions |
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| 17:40.20 | abrotman | stew: that sounds .. wrong :) |
| 17:40.24 | JOSE | mrgenixus: sorry I thought you speak spanish .. I'll try to explain the problem .. |
| 17:40.35 | mrgenixus | JOSE: si usted podrias hacer eso en gentoo, lo puedes hacer aqui asi mismo. tu tienes que cambiar las mismas filas |
| 17:40.44 | mrgenixus | thanks I' prefer english |
| 17:40.47 | SFNRadio | me no speaka de espana |
| 17:41.03 | mrgenixus | this ia mostly english channel |
| 17:41.07 | Ronin | !es |
| 17:41.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:41.16 | stew | mrgenixus: this is an entirely english channel |
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| 17:41.24 | JOSE | mrgenixus: when the system poweroff, my netcard is disabled to recibe magick wol packet and is unable to powerup .. |
| 17:41.27 | SFNRadio | at least the bot speaks it |
| 17:41.27 | abrotman | except when the tards start spewing :) |
| 17:41.29 | mrgenixus | stew: my mistake |
| 17:41.42 | jelly | JOSE: ethtool |
| 17:41.44 | mrgenixus | hmm. |
| 17:41.49 | SFNRadio | Jose - thats a bios thing, isnt it? |
| 17:42.13 | mrgenixus | valdyn: find anything useful in the xorg config? |
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| 17:42.25 | mrgenixus | any idea why the driver isn't orking corectly |
| 17:43.07 | JOSE | mrgenixus: well I have a dual boot system (windows and debian) when I poweroff windows, the netcard is prepared to powerup the system, only if I poweroff from linux the system can't powerup twice .. |
| 17:43.10 | valdyn | mrgenixus: not really, the error message must be misleading |
| 17:43.30 | eeyore- | JOSE: isn't that a hardware question? |
| 17:43.38 | valdyn | mrgenixus: modprobe nvidia;apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:44.03 | valdyn | mrgenixus: you can do these things ^^ to verify your kernel module, a clean package and a clean config |
| 17:44.24 | rocketmagnet | is there bittornado for debian ? |
| 17:44.40 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: try installing mysql-server then? |
| 17:44.46 | ustunozgur | apt-get reinstall mysql-server |
| 17:44.49 | ustunozgur | then, remove it. |
| 17:44.51 | mrgenixus | valdyn: that's great except running apt-get install nvidia-gls installs the 9755 driver -- which isn't compat w/ my card |
| 17:45.11 | mrgenixus | (granted it's detected, and loads, and still doesn't start X) |
| 17:45.26 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: apt-cache search bittornado |
| 17:45.27 | JOSE | mrgenixus: no, I thing must be a configuration question, in another distros (gentoo, I thing) is only necesarily to change a variable definition in a configuration file (RC_DOWN_INTERFACE="no") .. I need know if exist anything same this in debian. |
| 17:45.49 | mrgenixus | JOSE: it's eeyore- who's answering your questions.. |
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| 17:46.29 | mrgenixus | rocketmagnet: apt-get install bittornado |
| 17:46.29 | valdyn | mrgenixus: it was you who said earlier you had nvidia-glx installed. |
| 17:46.36 | stew | rocketmagnet: yes, but rtorrent is better |
| 17:46.46 | valdyn | mrgenixus: wonder what it really is you have - a mix a whatever, old versions on sid? |
| 17:46.54 | mrgenixus | yes well I have nvidia-glx_1.0.8776 installed with dpkg |
| 17:47.09 | mrgenixus | manually from cache/apt/achive |
| 17:47.14 | eeyore- | JOSE: since debian uses "ifdown" i suppose you could have the pre-down script not bring it down? just a guess? |
| 17:47.23 | ustunozgur | in fact, you should also install bittornado-gui |
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| 17:47.55 | mrgenixus | valdyn: gonna try that stuff anyways, brb |
| 17:48.07 | JOSE | eeyore-: sorry, I don't understand .. |
| 17:48.14 | SFNRadio | aksjflak askfj a |
| 17:48.19 | eeyore- | JOSE: "man interfaces", look for "pre-down" |
| 17:48.24 | SFNRadio | weak, so much for spellcheck |
| 17:48.33 | rocketmagnet | stew: thx |
| 17:49.39 | mrgenixus | valdyn: honestly-- I'm getting to the point I'm about to reinstall |
| 17:49.39 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: it seems like some program is allready using port 3306! so mysql can't start up |
| 17:49.48 | JOSE | eeyore: oh, ok, thanks, I'll read at now .. |
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| 17:50.06 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: so the post-install script fails when apt-get install mysql-server |
| 17:50.20 | rocketmagnet | but how to find out which program is using this port ? |
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| 17:50.28 | stew | rocketmagnet: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 17:51.15 | moth | lsof should do it |
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| 17:51.48 | ustunozgur | would "apt-get install -f mysql-server" help? |
| 17:52.23 | ustunozgur | that -f flag should force installation. |
| 17:52.29 | eeyore- | every time i hear "open ports" i have flashback. last job was with "OpenPort" in chicago. what hell... |
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| 17:52.47 | valdyn | ustunozgur: -f stands for 'force' ? |
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| 17:52.48 | moth | if I recall correctly, I would use lsof -i tcp (but apt-get install -f might also work) |
| 17:53.02 | aubade | Alrighty, anyone here actually recommend Reiser3 over ext3? |
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| 17:53.22 | rocketmagnet | stew: the tips given there shows me nothing on that port =( |
| 17:53.23 | sineer | Hi! I was wondering... Is it OK to uninstall exim and run a system without any MTA? What Standard/Important PKGS could depend on the MTA? |
| 17:53.28 | eeyore- | aubade: no, nevery |
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| 17:53.39 | mrgenixus | sineer: mysql depends MTA |
| 17:53.40 | [bman] | eeyore-: yea... everytime I hear the word 'T1' I think of this job where a slug went over the t1 pair and broke our connection for 1 week while qwest tried to figure out where the line was terminated. |
| 17:53.42 | valdyn | sineer: its not ok |
| 17:53.49 | ustunozgur | valdyn: I guess so. |
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| 17:53.53 | Ronin | sineer: tecnically it will work but its not a good idea |
| 17:53.57 | moth | !ssmtp |
| 17:53.57 | dpkg | i heard ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 17:54.01 | aubade | inode size of ext3 is annoying, don't really mind the forced checks. |
| 17:54.03 | stew | sineer: you want some kind of mta, if you want something minimal that just knows how to get mail off the box, look at nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 17:54.11 | cmunx | hi, i need some help with the grub menu.lst |
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| 17:54.17 | cmunx | who can i ask to? |
| 17:54.28 | valdyn | !tell cmunx -about ask |
| 17:54.29 | [bman] | !ask |
| 17:54.29 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:54.29 | mrgenixus | cmunx: ask # |
| 17:54.32 | [bman] | lol |
| 17:54.38 | eeyore- | aubade: you haven't heard of tune2fs?!? |
| 17:54.43 | [bman] | "and now you know..." |
| 17:54.45 | stew | ustunozgur: no, -f does not mean force |
| 17:54.45 | cmunx | ok, there i go |
| 17:54.49 | eeyore- | aubade: so typical to just look for the shiniest thing |
| 17:55.06 | sineer | stew, Thanks! I'll look into it... the prob with Exim is that it takes forever to timeout of a network isn't plugged in |
| 17:55.13 | mrgenixus | I LIke Xfs |
| 17:55.26 | sineer | mrgenixus, ah! mysql depends on a MTA?? What for? |
| 17:55.27 | valdyn | sineer: it does not, unless you configure it to do dns checks |
| 17:55.28 | ustunozgur | ok, it stands for "fix" |
| 17:55.28 | aubade | eeyore: Not really, never gave much thought to what filesystem to use. Went with Reiser3 when I first began using Linux and haven't had the opportunity to migrate all of my crap over since, until now. |
| 17:55.35 | cmunx | i just installed the kernel security update and the menu.list changed after that. Now the windows entry is not there anymore and i need that because of my family. They use windows |
| 17:55.40 | valdyn | sineer: ..which you must have done, i suppose, run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:55.41 | stew | sineer: if its taking a long time its probably becuase your host isn't listed in /etc/hosts and it is trying to do a dns lookup |
| 17:55.43 | ustunozgur | right? |
| 17:55.45 | mrgenixus | sineer: techniall mysql depends atd which depends mta for sending reports |
| 17:56.08 | sineer | ok, I will get the exim configuration right then :) Thanks guys! |
| 17:56.22 | stew | sineer: is your hostname and your fqdn listed in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:56.39 | cmunx | so the question is, what lines do i need to add to the menu.lst for windows |
| 17:56.44 | mrgenixus | cmunx: open the file with your fvorite editor |
| 17:56.54 | cmunx | done |
| 17:56.59 | valdyn | cmunx: /usr/share/doc/grub/ has no example for you? |
| 17:57.05 | stew | cmunx: /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ will have examples |
| 17:57.10 | mrgenixus | add rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 17:57.18 | aubade | Never had ReiserFS ever make an 'oopsie' on me, had to rebuild the tree once after joshin' permissions. ext3 is supposedly safer but the size it takes it a bummer. |
| 17:57.18 | mrgenixus | add chainloader +1 |
| 17:57.21 | mrgenixus | add boot |
| 17:57.24 | sineer | its the fqdn that may not work when someone carry a unit with a static IP onto a new network without removing the invalid resolv.conf search line... but that is going to be problematic when we deploy these units in the field... so I will try to get it to just skip DNS lookup :) |
| 17:57.29 | cmunx | i'll take a look at those examples too |
| 17:57.29 | ustunozgur | There is a separate "--force-yes" option, but man page says it's dangeorous. should he try that too? |
| 17:57.39 | cmunx | done mrgenius |
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| 17:57.44 | mrgenixus | save |
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| 17:57.55 | cmunx | that's all? |
| 17:58.05 | mrgenixus | you should get a irc-client with tab-complete |
| 17:58.16 | valdyn | ustunozgur: no, he should fix the actual error |
| 17:58.17 | mrgenixus | then ou won't spell mrgenixus wrong |
| 17:58.20 | aubade | Would take stability over performance any day but it just hasn't been in m experience for ReiserFS to be that further off. Bah, I need a coin flip for this. |
| 17:58.23 | mrgenixus | cmunx: that's all |
| 17:58.24 | cmunx | hehe |
| 17:58.26 | stew | aubade: it does not take a significant amount more than ext3, its just that ext3 allocates inodes up front, and reiser allocates them as it fills the drive, by the time you fill your reiser partition, reiser will have over time probably used a similar amount |
| 17:59.05 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: the post-install script is failing with error (1), and the near error is that mysql-server can't start on port 3306, but the port is not used :( |
| 17:59.06 | stew | aubade: there are many more people using ext3 than reiser, but we still see more people in here with filesystem corruption using reiser than we do with ext3 |
| 17:59.15 | aubade | 's nice to know, true you have to disable the ext3 extensions anytime you need to manually defrag a volume? |
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| 17:59.21 | valdyn | aubade: if you have huge directories with huge amount of small files, there's a reason for reiserfs, otherwise no reason to go away from ext3 |
| 17:59.22 | cwheeler | I've heard horror stories about data loss with reiserfs and lack of recovery tools, that said i've used it for 6 years without a problem |
| 17:59.30 | cwheeler | I used ext3 with debian |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | defrag ? |
| 17:59.36 | cwheeler | luck can run out |
| 17:59.38 | saar | does anyone know how to make exim use a different dns than what's given in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 17:59.57 | eeyore- | valdyn: "dirindex" flag in ext2/3 could help, no? |
| 18:00.01 | saar | or for that matter |
| 18:00.02 | stew | rocketmagnet: exactly what command did you use to check for the open 3306 port? what happens if you run "telnet localhost 3306" ? |
| 18:00.02 | cwheeler | i've never lost data with ext2/3 unless the drive failed |
| 18:00.07 | moth | Why mess with dns that way, saar? |
| 18:00.07 | saar | does anyone know how to configure exim to resolve a specific hostname to a specific address, say 200.10.10.10 resolves to smtp1.domain.org, instead of what the dns server supplies |
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| 18:00.20 | stew | saar: man 5 hosts |
| 18:00.22 | cmunx | thank you all very much |
| 18:00.23 | valdyn | eeyore-: with ls performance sure, but not with space usage or running out of inodes |
| 18:00.29 | moth | saar: is smtp1.domain.org an mx or an a record? |
| 18:00.34 | saar | moth: because here some smtp servers are incorrectly being resolved to internal 192 ip addresses |
| 18:00.42 | cmunx | i am taking a look at the grub docs examples |
| 18:00.46 | wide_awake | where do I set the time at which cron.daily runs? |
| 18:01.03 | stew | wide_awake: /etc/crontab |
| 18:01.03 | eeyore- | wide_awake: /etc/crontab |
| 18:01.04 | saar | we use a vpn connection to another network, their smtp servers ar now being resol;ved to internal ip addresses which we cant access |
| 18:01.11 | wide_awake | stew, eeyore- thanks |
| 18:01.14 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: the telnet ... gives no response, and i used lsof -i -n from /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:01.26 | saar | moth: lemme check |
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| 18:02.00 | stew | rocketmagnet: do you have a "bind-address" directive in your /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
| 18:02.01 | saar | moth: looks like MX |
| 18:02.27 | abchirk | I have a question is here anyone which would upgrade a rootserver to etch? |
| 18:02.29 | abchirk | from sarge? |
| 18:02.47 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: is mysql running? try "pgrep mysql" |
| 18:02.52 | mrgenixus | abchirk: huh? |
| 18:02.54 | abrotman | abchirk: huh ? |
| 18:03.05 | stew | abchirk: rootserver? like one of the root nameservers? |
| 18:03.11 | mrgenixus | abrotman: glad no know I'm not alon ein that? |
| 18:03.22 | aubade | When you say 'huge directories with a huge amount of small files', what would be considered small? I deal with a crapload of images (mirror a few imageboards) or do you mean something more minuscule like had I been running a mail server? |
| 18:03.26 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: nope |
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| 18:03.30 | pll | Hi all, I'm trying to create a debian repo using apt-move. When I do so, it creates the various Packages and Packages.gz files, but they're incomplete. There are debs in the pools/ area which are missing from the corresponding Packages(.gz) files. Any ideas? |
| 18:03.33 | valdyn | stew: debian system at an external hosting service |
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| 18:03.38 | abchirk | Mh ok..my problem is that I have sarge on a dedicated server... and there is mysql5 on it..is it useful to uograde to etch? Because of the bug with mysql5 and 2.4 kernels..? |
| 18:03.39 | devilchaos | hi folks |
| 18:03.43 | abrotman | abchirk: you mean upgrade your DNS server from sarge to etch ? |
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| 18:03.48 | ustunozgur | you tried with -f flag, right? |
| 18:03.50 | abchirk | no DNSserver sorry :) |
| 18:03.56 | stew | abchirk: you should not upgrade to etch unless you are sure you can run 2.6 |
| 18:03.58 | devilchaos | i have a small problem thats bugging the shit out of me |
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| 18:04.22 | stew | abchirk: (i think many would think of a rootserver as one of the servers listed when you type "dig") |
| 18:04.24 | devilchaos | ive just done an update to my unstable system and have lost window borders |
| 18:04.33 | valdyn | suppose he can restore the original system via a web interface |
| 18:04.36 | abrotman | devilchaos: BTS say anything ? |
| 18:04.39 | abchirk | stew you mean to running sarge with 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:04.52 | sprink_ | security repos are soooooo slow right now :( |
| 18:04.55 | mrgenixus | valdyn: so that didn't work |
| 18:04.58 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: could you open synaptic and find the mysql-server package? |
| 18:05.20 | devilchaos | bbl 20 mins have ti go an vote |
| 18:05.25 | valdyn | aubade: images are not small enough |
| 18:05.27 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: shure |
| 18:05.28 | devilchaos | what bts btw? |
| 18:05.32 | stew | abchirk: i just mean, if there is some reason you can't upgrade to 2.6, then you should not upgrade to etch. 2.4 is not supported in etch, and somethings are known to be broken, like mysql and postfix |
| 18:05.35 | mrgenixus | valdyn: but I ended upwith the wrong driver version again |
| 18:05.39 | sprink_ | devilchaos: bug trackign system |
| 18:05.44 | devilchaos | ah |
| 18:05.46 | stew | devilchaos: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:05.54 | valdyn | aubade: im talking files < block size or hardlinks |
| 18:06.03 | stew | rocketmagnet: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:06.04 | pll | any apt-move/debootstrap experts around? |
| 18:06.04 | mrgenixus | I guess, at this point, what steps do I need to take to install nvidia-*_1.0.8776 |
| 18:06.14 | devilchaos | be back soon :) |
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| 18:06.51 | pll | can anyone here even spell apt-move or debootstrap ? :) |
| 18:07.06 | rocketmagnet | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:07.07 | valdyn | mrgenixus: do you even have the appropriate kernel module installed? |
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| 18:07.32 | mrgenixus | I think I need to re-downgrade to the 8776 -- starting that now |
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| 18:07.44 | ditoa | hey all |
| 18:07.54 | aubade | Alright, suppose I'll just format the new drive for ext3. Easy migration from it to ext4 and the read support in Windows are both pluses. Allocation with the inode allocation was what had me lingering. |
| 18:07.59 | ditoa | how do i install firefox 3 alpha on my debian 4 box? |
| 18:08.12 | abrotman | ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 18:08.17 | ditoa | i want to replace the built in firefox (iceweasel) |
| 18:08.19 | ustunozgur | ditoa: That's beyond the scope of this channel. |
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| 18:08.31 | abchirk | mhh stew so the best way would be to test etch on this server? with 2.6 kernel :)`? |
| 18:08.38 | ditoa | its more specific to debian that firefox tho |
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| 18:08.46 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: what should i do in synapse when i have found the mysql-server packages ? |
| 18:08.51 | ditoa | how do i bypass the package manager without screwing it? |
| 18:08.52 | valdyn | ditoa: cd ~/, tar xzf file.tar.gz; cd firefox; ./firefox |
| 18:08.54 | ustunozgur | Is it selected? |
| 18:08.57 | abchirk | hi nalioth :) |
| 18:08.59 | BankHead | hey |
| 18:09.07 | abrotman | ditoa: you can make your own package from the sources if you like |
| 18:09.30 | nalioth | abchirk: hi (having trouble with my ISP) |
| 18:09.42 | abchirk | hehe no problem! :) |
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| 18:11.28 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: So, if it is selected, right click and select "Complete Removal" or "Purge" or stg like that. Then, "Apply" |
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| 18:11.35 | Naib | can debian be installed via ssh? |
| 18:11.42 | rpc | why on earth wouldn't this image work as bootable? debian-40r0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 18:11.49 | BankHead | that's a secret |
| 18:12.07 | stew | Naib: yes, /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 18:12.23 | rpc | and it is ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Debian 4.0 r0 i386 Bin-1 ' (bootable) |
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| 18:12.46 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: got it |
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| 18:13.02 | JOSE | #slackware |
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| 18:13.42 | mrgenixus | how do I change the current version of a package so that the newest version isn't installed? |
| 18:14.03 | mrgenixus | or. how do I setup a kernel module withot using m-a |
| 18:14.04 | ustunozgur | you mean hold a specific version? |
| 18:14.11 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: yeah |
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| 18:14.45 | ustunozgur | in snaptic, you can choose "Package" -> "Hold Package" |
| 18:14.50 | mrgenixus | I can't use nvidia 9755, i need to use 8776, but 9755 is what's n the tree, so if I try to use m-a it wil pull 9755 (that's the current/latest version) |
| 18:14.56 | mrgenixus | ustunozgur: my X dosn't work. |
| 18:15.13 | stew | mrgenixus: aptitude hold packagename |
| 18:15.17 | stew | mrgenixus: or /msg dpkg hold |
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| 18:16.51 | mrgenixus | stew: but how to I select theversion to hold? |
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| 18:17.07 | ustunozgur | it holds the current version. |
| 18:17.14 | mrgenixus | I need the last version. |
| 18:17.20 | mrgenixus | the current version doesn't work |
| 18:17.37 | stew | mrgenixus: aptitude install pacakge=version ; aptitude hold package |
| 18:18.01 | Justin | "current" meaning the package you have installed, not the latest version of the package |
| 18:18.08 | ditoa | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:18.11 | rocketmagnet | ustunozgur: is there a package for apache/php4/mysql for the debian 4 stable ? because the mysql-server does not install =( |
| 18:18.16 | mrgenixus | ok |
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| 18:18.49 | stew | ditoa: aptitude is command line, and also has an ncurses frontend, it much better and more sophisiticated dependency resolution and searching |
| 18:19.10 | ditoa | so i should use aptitude and not apt-get? |
| 18:19.12 | stew | rocketmagnet: why doesn't it install? |
| 18:19.15 | stew | ditoa: yes |
| 18:19.17 | Naib | swet. I mean boot the install CD but install from another machine (headless setup) |
| 18:19.20 | ditoa | thanks :) |
| 18:19.39 | rocketmagnet | the post-install script fails with error code 1 |
| 18:19.43 | rocketmagnet | stew: ^ |
| 18:20.00 | stew | rocketmagnet: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:20.25 | rocketmagnet | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 18:20.38 | rocketmagnet | stew: ^ |
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| 18:20.45 | abchirk | stew do you would update from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 on sarge? only the kernel? |
| 18:20.47 | stew | rocketmagnet: does it give any explicit error message? |
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| 18:21.09 | stew | abchirk: yes, i would do that, then move to etch |
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| 18:21.19 | abchirk | mh also on a server? |
| 18:21.23 | rocketmagnet | not really... it seems that it has problems with getting the port 3306, but there is no application using that port |
| 18:21.28 | stew | abchirk: you don't have to do it right away, but you have to do it sometime this year |
| 18:21.37 | stew | rocketmagnet: what makes it seem that way? |
| 18:21.46 | abchirk | mhh ok :( |
| 18:22.10 | rocketmagnet | it fails when trying to start or quit mysql |
| 18:22.11 | ustunozgur | it says "can't start" stew. |
| 18:22.12 | stew | rocketmagnet: do you have a bind-address directive in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
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| 18:22.24 | stew | rocketmagnet: but it fails without an error message? |
| 18:22.38 | stew | rocketmagnet: can you show us the actual output of "aptitude install mysql-server"? |
| 18:22.46 | rocketmagnet | it's 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:23.52 | rocketmagnet | stew: mom |
| 18:23.52 | rocketmagnet | lol... it removes xmms... |
| 18:23.52 | rocketmagnet | is xmms using a network port ??? |
| 18:24.29 | stew | rocketmagnet: what is "it"? |
| 18:24.39 | ustunozgur | you should comment that line out btw if you want others to access it. |
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| 18:25.02 | stew | ustunozgur: no, if he comments it out, it would disable networking entirely |
| 18:25.14 | rocketmagnet | stew: http://rafb.net/p/XL0q4O54.html |
| 18:25.59 | ustunozgur | sorry, I tried to say "comment it"? |
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| 18:26.05 | rocketmagnet | stew: the line i should show you the output from... |
| 18:26.06 | stew | ustunozgur: yes, and that would be incorrect |
| 18:26.19 | stew | rocketmagnet: try running "mysqld" on the command line as root and see if it gives you an error |
| 18:26.43 | rocketmagnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.43 | rocketmagnet | 070503 20:25:08 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 18:26.58 | rocketmagnet | but pgrep mysql gives no output |
| 18:27.35 | stew | rocketmagnet: and does "netstat -tlnp | grep :3306" return anything? |
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| 18:27.42 | rocketmagnet | no |
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| 18:28.30 | stew | rocketmagnet: does "ifconfig" list 'lo' as an interface with 127.0.0.1 assigned? |
| 18:28.33 | rocketmagnet | i just need an apache & php & mysql installation =( |
| 18:28.50 | rocketmagnet | ups |
| 18:29.09 | rocketmagnet | now i have it ;) |
| 18:29.39 | rocketmagnet | hehe =) finally it works |
| 18:29.40 | stew | rocketmagnet: sounds like /etc/network/interfaces might need to be fixed so that lo is brought up automatically |
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| 18:30.57 | uzer_ | is there a way to list the files in a .deb? |
| 18:31.02 | Vasistha | uzer_: dpkg -c |
| 18:31.07 | HardDisk_WP | what default umask should I set for vsftpd if all new files should get rwxrwxrw- permission? |
| 18:31.10 | uzer_ | thanks |
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| 18:31.24 | ustunozgur | stew: is this information wrong? http://swik.net/Debian/Debian+Admin+Step+By+Step+Tutorials+and+articles+with+screenshots/MySQL+Database+Server+Installation+and+Configuration+in+Debian/3fxy |
| 18:31.45 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: that's an awfully strange permissions string there, buddy. I think 001 |
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| 18:33.08 | stew | ustunozgur: no, it looks correct, i have no idea why they would have you install libmysqlclient15-dev however, as that is a development library |
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| 18:33.30 | xand | HardDisk_WP: why would you want those perms? |
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| 18:33.51 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: 002 is much more likely what you want -- rwx rwx r-x |
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| 18:33.58 | ustunozgur | stew: But that contradicts with what you said about 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:34.02 | HardDisk_WP | xand, because vsftpd by default makes rw------- |
| 18:34.14 | xand | HardDisk_WP: but the ones you suggested are... silly |
| 18:34.15 | uzer_ | not a debian specific question but is there a standard way to find out the options able to be passed to configure scripts? |
| 18:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, i want something which apache2 likes...its security system SUCKS. |
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| 18:34.33 | stew | ustunozgur: oh about bind-address? |
| 18:34.35 | xand | HardDisk_WP: ftp has no security |
| 18:34.37 | ustunozgur | uzer_ : ./configure --help |less |
| 18:34.42 | ustunozgur | yes. |
| 18:34.59 | Boba | whats the hotest path right now cisco phones and security? |
| 18:35.05 | Vasistha | HardDisk_WP: ohh -- because you need apache2 to be able to write to the files, and the apache2 user will be "nobody" or some user otherwise found in the "others" catagory? |
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| 18:35.29 | mrgenixus | how do I manually compile the wrapper for the nvidia kernel module versin 8776 without using m-a? |
| 18:35.36 | HardDisk_WP | Vasistha, yes, standard apache user is nobody |
| 18:35.41 | mrgenixus | this is listed here: and fails |
| 18:35.43 | mrgenixus | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Method4 |
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| 18:35.51 | xand | HardDisk_WP: no it's not |
| 18:35.54 | xand | HardDisk_WP: it's www-data |
| 18:36.04 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: have you checked out dpkg's factoid called nvidia one-liner ? |
| 18:36.12 | ustunozgur | rocketmagnet: is the problem with apt gone? |
| 18:36.37 | Vasistha | Boba: how is that question on-topic? |
| 18:36.57 | xand | speaking of permissions... do you have to do anything special with ext3 partitions under etch to enable ACLs? |
| 18:37.04 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: yes |
| 18:37.23 | Grim76 | xand: you have to add the acl option to the fstab |
| 18:37.25 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: if that worked in my case, I would have had working X within 1/2 an hour of my update |
| 18:37.37 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: why is it that you don't want to use m-a? |
| 18:38.42 | xand | Grim76: right thanks |
| 18:38.48 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: oh, god; mrgenixus is using an Nvidia GeForce 4 MX 440go which is not supported by nvidia version 9755 (the current version in the tree) and m-a installs the version, even if I tel apt to hold the 8776 version, or erros and fails |
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| 18:39.39 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: I have the source or nvidia-kernel v 8776 |
| 18:39.40 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: damn. |
| 18:39.40 | mrgenixus | but it doesn't compile |
| 18:39.52 | Grim76 | xand: no problem |
| 18:40.09 | xand | Grim76: if it's an NFS share, do you have to specify "acl" on both client and server, or just server? |
| 18:40.10 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: what errors does it hit when attempting to compile? Perhaps you're missing a build dependency? |
| 18:40.11 | devilchaos | ` |
| 18:40.24 | Vasistha | According to aspell, 'dependency' is spelled correctly. |
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| 18:40.37 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: http://paste.debian.net/27110 |
| 18:40.52 | xand | is vanisher a spelling bot? :D |
| 18:40.57 | Grim76 | xand: I am not sure on that one to be honest with you. I don't use nfs shares where I have my acls implemented. |
| 18:40.57 | xand | erm, Vasistha |
| 18:41.11 | xand | Grim76: I guess I can TIAS |
| 18:41.19 | devilchaos | right em where do i go from here what do i need to do ti get them back av already tried to uninstall reinstall sawfish a few times and added other window managers |
| 18:41.25 | Grim76 | xand: I would think you would have to have it set in both places. |
| 18:41.26 | Vasistha | xand: I just have a little script that I use to check spelling sometimes :P |
| 18:41.43 | devilchaos | and nothing happens just the same |
| 18:41.45 | mrgenixus | gaim checks my spelling.. but it says it's spelled correctly (according to aspell) |
| 18:42.29 | mrgenixus | so back to my question. how do I compile the source for nvidiakernel, and make a debian package from it? |
| 18:42.41 | xand | Grim76: apparently not |
| 18:42.50 | mrgenixus | an when I follow the instructions fromt teh wiki page does it still not work? |
| 18:42.55 | xand | Grim76: client doesn't seem to need it; don't even have to remount on the client |
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| 18:43.13 | devilchaos | abrotman:you still there am having to use bitchx in tty1 because i cant maximise the window in gnome |
| 18:43.16 | devilchaos | ? |
| 18:44.00 | krifur | hello, i use grub and everytime I update a kernel it change me the path of the kernel location which suppose to be /dev/sda in /dev/hda how to fix this (i heard with grub-install but i need the exact command ^^) |
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| 18:44.12 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: well... based on the error you've got there... it looks like this is not the best source to be attempting to compile :P I'm not sure what else I can say. Have you searched around for howto's from other people using your specific card on etch? |
| 18:44.36 | dashs | How can I get iceweasel to NOT use evolution for mailto (about:config change is ignored)? |
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| 18:44.54 | Grim76 | xand: did you mount -o remount on the machine that you want the acls on? |
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| 18:45.10 | xand | Grim76: the nfs client? |
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| 18:45.31 | Grim76 | xand: no the machine that you edited the fstab on. |
| 18:45.35 | xand | Grim76: I added the acl option to fstab on the nfs server, remounted, then on the client acls just worked |
| 18:45.43 | Grim76 | ahhh ok |
| 18:45.58 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: I haven't doe a thurough search as yet, however this *SHOULD* be working |
| 18:46.03 | Grim76 | xand: have to file that one away for when i start messing with nfs shares. |
| 18:46.07 | krifur | i go with a grub-install /dev/sda but it don t works |
| 18:46.18 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: is that the source that was recommended on the debian wiki? |
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| 18:46.34 | devilchaos | anyone know how to get my window borders back in gnome please its doing ma head in ? |
| 18:46.52 | devilchaos | bug report tool wont open either |
| 18:47.02 | mrgenixus | this is the only source available -- what other source would you recomend... this source comes from nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8776.deb |
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| 18:47.39 | krifur | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 18:49.07 | krifur | how to make understand to grub that my disk is /dev/sda and not /dev/hda |
| 18:49.11 | devilchaos | exit |
| 18:49.16 | devilchaos | bollocks |
| 18:49.27 | mrgenixus | how do I make dpkg (the bot) remember something? |
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| 18:49.46 | artspace | hi I am a complete newbie here, I want to give my machine a name on the network. so that to browse the files on the machine i just need to type 'artspace' into a browser. I know it's something to do with DNS and that it may have something to do with bind. could you give me some useful keywords to google please? |
| 18:50.08 | Kevin` | artspace are you using dhcp? |
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| 18:50.36 | krifur | bind9 , named , hostname , you have to name your computer , the file to edit is /etc/hostname |
| 18:50.39 | Kevin` | artspace anyway, the things you need are a local domain of some sort like .lan for example, and the option "search lan" in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:50.51 | Kevin` | plus a record for the computers of course |
| 18:51.03 | rocketmagnet | hi again, if i have installed phpmyadmin and apache2 and the php5 packages got installed, how to replace the php5 with php4 ? because my webserver only support php4 |
| 18:51.17 | artspace | there is already a dhcp machine on the network |
| 18:51.21 | mrgenixus | artspace: you need apache installed (1) and you need a nameservice (if you clients are windows: you can install samaba, and that will work) dns is the most common, but if you're reporting your hostname to the dhcp, most domestic routers (meaning the ones for your house) will register your naem in their table |
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| 18:51.37 | UngeniO | krifur: well, with the same sintax .. but with sd of cours .. Ej. (sd0,0) |
| 18:51.45 | Kevin` | artspace you can have the dhcp server update the dns zone with the computer's names |
| 18:52.01 | artspace | i have samba installed |
| 18:52.14 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: dpkg -l '*php*' to see what's installed; I have libapache2-mod-php4, php4, php4-common, php4-mysql (and php4-gd) ... and remove the php5's |
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| 18:52.56 | msingh | i've installed via apt-get the nvidia-kernel driver .. and when i try to start X it says cannot load driver nvidia. Otherwise my display is setup correctly and i am using it currently but only with the "nv" driver. any help appreciated |
| 18:52.57 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: /msg dpkg foo is a word that we use in example texts |
| 18:53.16 | mrgenixus | artspace: then you should be able to type your hostname into the web browser of any windows somputer and *if* you have a websrver installed, they'll be ale to accessyour comp |
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| 18:53.26 | krifur | UngeniO: you mean grub-install (/dev/sd0,0) ? or grub-install sd0 maybe ? |
| 18:53.51 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: foo? |
| 18:54.06 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: I was giving you an example of how to teach the bot |
| 18:54.33 | artspace | ok thanks |
| 18:55.10 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: ty. |
| 18:55.24 | uzer_ | im trying to compile alsa from source with a configure option, but when i make-kpkg modules_image after i do my ./configure, make-kpkg just reruns the configure without my options, whats the correct way to do this? |
| 18:56.39 | stew | uzer_: are you running a stock kernel or a custom kernel? |
| 18:56.40 | ustunozgur | are you sure it isn't "make" only? |
| 18:56.45 | stew | yes |
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| 18:57.02 | uzer_ | stew: custom |
| 18:57.15 | omar | what is the best method for enrypting a new hdd ? |
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| 18:57.20 | UngeniO | krifur: in grub.conf (or menu.lst) in /boot/grub directory .. if you would like to make grub-install .. you must write: 'root (sd0,0)' if your boot partition is in /dev/sda1 and 'setup (sd0)' if you would like grub loader in MBR of disk or 'setup (sd0,1)' if you would like grub loader in partition. |
| 18:57.25 | stew | uzer_: if you installed it correctly you should just be able to: "aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i alsa" |
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| 18:57.45 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: sorry I can't be of more help on the nvidia thing :P I've never had an nvidia card ... but sometimes when I try, an expert will jump in to help. It sounds like the debin package just isn't playing nice. I suppose I could ask som questions to make sure your system is of a standard configuration... |
| 18:57.55 | stew | uzer_: that will work as long as m-a can find the kenrel headers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
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| 18:58.52 | amortvigil | Hey im trying installing squirrelmail but it gives an error: Error connecting to IMAP server: tls://127.0.0.1.0 : . what is the error |
| 18:59.09 | amortvigil | this is my mail.log http://pastebin.ca/469406 |
| 18:59.39 | Vasistha | amortvigil: are you running an imap server on your local host? |
| 18:59.53 | UngeniO | krifur: step by step will be: 1.- grub --no-floppy, 2.- root (sd0,0), 3.- setup (sd0), 4.- quit .. and restart. |
| 19:00.04 | amortvigil | <Vasistha> yes |
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| 19:00.35 | mrgenixus | i'm trying to make sure I have the latest package info (again) and then I will see if this has been recognized as a bug and fixed |
| 19:00.39 | UngeniO | krifur: of course you must sure the configuration grub file is ok. |
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| 19:03.33 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: how do I tell dpkg to forget something? |
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| 19:10.31 | loscarachos | hi all |
| 19:10.38 | loscarachos | can anyone help me ?¿? |
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| 19:10.57 | Ronin | !tell loscarachos about ask |
| 19:11.20 | mrgenixus | Ronin: you beat me to it... |
| 19:11.23 | Ronin | :) |
| 19:11.25 | jeremyb | !tell jeremyb about ask |
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| 19:11.59 | loscarachos | i running a debian server and now i have this problem Database error: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 |
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| 19:12.44 | aubade | Oooh, you weren't kidding about Reiser3 taking up more space in the end. Made 2x1G parts and threw in a 700M disc image, ReiserFS is already using more space with the packing as result. |
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| 19:13.13 | Signum | I'm switching my working samba domain setup to LDAP (smbldap-tools). Using shares works. But I cannot join the domain. The "root" account isn't accepted. But neither is the "Administrator" account that was created in LDAP. Any ideas? |
| 19:13.25 | bugster | is something special about /dev/tty6 or why can't i have a euro sign in there ? |
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| 19:13.48 | ma3x | hi |
| 19:13.51 | ustunozgur | tty6 is for americans. |
| 19:14.05 | ma3x | when I install a package, how do I install its recommended packs/ |
| 19:14.05 | ma3x | hi ustunozgur |
| 19:14.06 | bugster | all console terminals 0-5 are ok, i just can't set it for /dev/tty6 |
| 19:14.07 | ustunozgur | hi |
| 19:14.09 | doudou | hi, i have firefox and mplayer plugin, it does not work what i wanted but i discover it works for others (debian choir of coplaints) so i tried again thinking it is not hardwar problem, and then i try to open url with gmplayer the error is could not resolv name for AF_INET6:a455.g.akaimai.net |
| 19:14.40 | ustunozgur | bugster: see /etc/inittab |
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| 19:14.55 | ma3x | how do I install what the pack recommends? |
| 19:16.07 | mrgenixus | well, bye all |
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| 19:16.10 | ma3x | how do I change the repeat rate of the keys? |
| 19:16.11 | ma3x | backspace for example |
| 19:16.11 | xand | iceweasel in etch's rendering engine is supposed to be the same as the "real firefox" right? |
| 19:16.39 | stew | xand: it is |
| 19:16.55 | xand | stew: wondering why maps.live.com doesn't work in iceweasel but does in firefox |
| 19:17.33 | Vasistha | mrgenixus|away: I think with 'forget', i.e., /msg dpkg forget foo |
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| 19:18.37 | TolstoyInlove | when run apt-get install java-* confilict was happend. how can i exclude confilict package? |
| 19:18.56 | ustunozgur | ma3x: in synaptic, right click the package and select the recommended packages. |
| 19:18.57 | stew | xand: i don't know what this site is supposed to be doing |
| 19:19.04 | infester | Can someone explain to me how to get a .vmx-file from an .iso to boot with VMware?! |
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| 19:19.58 | xand | stew: I reckon MS have made it not work except on Windows |
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| 19:20.42 | robin_sz | im confused ... |
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| 19:21.00 | bugster | what has inittab to do with that ? |
| 19:21.07 | omar | if i wanted a 5mb fs, i would create it with the following line: dd if=/dev/zero of=volume bs=4k count=1280 how do i make a 1024mb one ? |
| 19:21.15 | stew | xand: i mean, i can type stuff into the box, hit the search icon and it comes back with "whatever i typed" is not recognized please be more specific |
| 19:21.18 | solemnwarning | Can I have more then 1 filesystem in an LVM partition, unlike a software RAID partition? |
| 19:21.21 | bugster | bloody ozgur |
| 19:21.24 | ma3x | ustunozgur synaptics?? I dont use that |
| 19:21.26 | ma3x | tell me for apt-get |
| 19:21.29 | TolstoyInlove | infester, you can boot iso file with VMware |
| 19:21.39 | doudou | give me a link, i tried with xterm mplayer http://a455.g.akamai.net/7/455/1879/v4/www.viewontv.com/tv5/jt_monde/videos/18030507/titre1.asx but i got w32LoadLibrary error |
| 19:21.46 | ustunozgur | infester: see http://www.easyvmx.com/ |
| 19:21.49 | Vasistha | xand: fyi, it works in opera on linux ... I've got a map, etc |
| 19:21.55 | robin_sz | I installed the Sun JDK ... which is a superset of the Sun JRE ... so ... I should have everyting that is int he JRE .. but why does FIrefox not handle Java applets now? do I need to install the Sun JRE seperatley from sun.com as well? |
| 19:22.06 | xand | stew: if you use firefox on windows the page loads properly... what I get in iceweasel is two text boxes and not much else |
| 19:22.14 | xand | Vasistha: hmm, might try that |
| 19:22.35 | sepski | solemnwarning, yes |
| 19:22.48 | Boba | how does debian compare to redhat, freebsd? |
| 19:22.59 | sepski | solemnwarning, you can have multiple lv's in a vg, and a vg can consist of multiple pv's |
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| 19:23.07 | Vasistha | xand: you could also try konq ... and there are other browsers ... I must say, though, google maps is much nicer ... although this is nice and quick, actually; not nearly so heavy as google maps |
| 19:23.15 | uzer_ | stew: m-a wasnt what i wanted or im just not using it right, m-a compiled alsa but it too ran ./configure without any options overwriting mine |
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| 19:23.30 | xand | Vasistha: MS's api is nicer, and they have better photos |
| 19:23.31 | sepski | Boba, it rules, it's better, more stable. have nicer people and you get told to read the manual when that's what's good for you |
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| 19:23.35 | infester | ustunozgur: ty |
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| 19:23.43 | doudou | why could not resolv af_init6 ? |
| 19:24.09 | robin_sz | so basically do I need to install this: http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80 on my debian laptop to use Java applets on firefix? |
| 19:24.43 | Vasistha | !tell robin_sz -about install java |
| 19:24.52 | uzer_ | i need to build alsa with a few --with options but make-kpkg modules_image and m-a both rerun the ./configure script overwriting my changes, anyone know how to prevent this? |
| 19:25.07 | robin_sz | Vasistha, I already insalled the JDK |
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| 19:25.32 | tche | hello friends |
| 19:25.34 | Vasistha | robin_sz: did you restart firefox? |
| 19:25.39 | robin_sz | yes |
| 19:25.45 | tche | i nedd very your help |
| 19:25.50 | robin_sz | but .. just for you I'll restart ot again |
| 19:26.00 | tche | i need install debian in pendrive is possible? |
| 19:26.02 | Vasistha | robin_sz: did you check the about:plugins page? I think that's where to look ... not 100% certain |
| 19:26.04 | ustunozgur | ma3x: I don't not for apt-get. |
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| 19:26.22 | Vasistha | tche: there are instructions for that in the debian install guide |
| 19:26.25 | Vasistha | !i-g |
| 19:26.25 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 19:26.26 | xand | Vasistha: opera doesn't work either |
| 19:26.33 | solemnwarning | I'm gonna reinstall my server with LVM inside of software RAID-1 |
| 19:26.35 | tche | www.debian.org? |
| 19:26.48 | Vasistha | xand: what search are you doing? I did a search for restaurants / 90066 |
| 19:26.53 | solemnwarning | Should I have a single software RAID partition, or one for each filesystem I plan to make? |
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| 19:26.59 | xand | Vasistha: I'm not |
| 19:27.11 | Vasistha | xand: oh, you can't even bring the front page up? |
| 19:27.31 | xand | Vasistha: well, searching works... but other sites that use the api don't work at all |
| 19:27.45 | xand | but work fine in firefox on windows |
| 19:27.46 | Vasistha | tche: did you see those links from dpkg? look up about 10-15 lines |
| 19:27.48 | TolstoyInlove | infester, you can boot iso file with VMware |
| 19:27.52 | TolstoyInlove | when run apt-get install java-* confilict was happend. how can i exclude confilict package? |
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| 19:28.13 | robin_sz | Vasistha, well, I do have the JDK installed, but nothing Java related is shown on the plugins page |
| 19:28.13 | Vasistha | xand: do you have an example of such a site? |
| 19:28.19 | tche | ok |
| 19:28.20 | infester | TolstoyInlove: i use Vmware Playre, it asks for a .vmx-file at startup |
| 19:28.28 | Vasistha | robin_sz: maybe you need mozplugger or something |
| 19:28.35 | Vasistha | !mozplugger |
| 19:28.38 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 19:28.47 | robin_sz | wassatt? |
| 19:28.52 | xand | Vasistha: and... the map the search gives me isn't draggable, it's some crappy PNG |
| 19:29.09 | xand | Vasistha: http://www.snafu.org.uk/live/map.php |
| 19:29.25 | Vasistha | !info mozplugger |
| 19:29.35 | robin_sz | Vasistha, lots of other things such as Totem are avaialabel as plugins, Helix, etc |
| 19:29.37 | dpkg | mozplugger: (Plugin allowing external viewers to be launched inside Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.8.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 19:29.53 | robin_sz | right |
| 19:30.08 | Vasistha | xand: yeah, I got a normal png as a search result, not a javascript map like google's |
| 19:30.14 | robin_sz | so many things went missing during that apt-get upgrade madness :( |
| 19:31.14 | robin_sz | bah ... I asked it to install mozplugger and its downloading iceweasel ffs |
| 19:31.19 | Boba | has anyone self contracted setting up servers and stuff? |
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| 19:31.40 | xand | Vasistha: if you use it on firefox/windows you get a proper JS scrollable map |
| 19:31.55 | Vasistha | Boba: there's a list of contractors on the debian website who will help you with debian, if that's what you need |
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| 19:32.18 | robin_sz | Vasistha, ok, so how do I install mozplugger without it trying to install iceweasel? |
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| 19:32.24 | mrgenixus | dpkg mrgenixus 440g |
| 19:32.32 | cheshire314 | hi everybody out there! |
| 19:32.37 | mrgenixus | ?? |
| 19:33.36 | mrgenixus | !dpkg |
| 19:33.36 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is a program. you have to expect some confusion if you name yourself after a program |
| 19:33.40 | Vasistha | robin_sz: hmm, no idea. I've never tried to override the dependency system... |
| 19:33.54 | robin_sz | oh, ok, ... hmmm |
| 19:33.58 | mrgenixus | !mrgenixus 440go |
| 19:33.58 | dpkg | i heard mrgenixus 440go is mrgenixus is using an Nvidia GeForce 4 MX 440go which is not supported by nvidia version 9755 (the current version in the tree) and m-a installs the version, even if I tell apt to hold the 8776 version, it erros and/or fails. I think I had gotten the kernel driver installed at one poin t( I think) but it doesn't matter (if I'm right) becuase Xorg still doesn't recognize the driver and the .so file doesn't exist in /usr/ |
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| 19:34.31 | robin_sz | Vasistha, perhaps apt-get install mozplugger && apt-get remove icewasel ?? |
| 19:34.35 | stew | robin_sz: which browser do you intend to use it with? |
| 19:34.45 | robin_sz | stew, firefox |
| 19:34.47 | Vasistha | mrgenixus: yeah, that's *not* a good use of a factoid -- it's a good candidate for deletion. Personal problems are not "helpful" -- factoids are "helpful". You should just pastebin your problem, or copy/paste it. |
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| 19:34.54 | cheshire314 | i've a question about drupal debian package, in lenny - is this the right place to ask? |
| 19:35.04 | Vasistha | cheshire314: yes, it is. |
| 19:35.15 | stew | robin_sz: then you'll have to create an equiv for iceweasel, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:35.16 | mrgenixus | Vasistha: fair engough. how do I delete my non-factiod |
| 19:35.22 | cheshire314 | it's nice to hear :-) |
| 19:35.22 | ustunozgur | if java plugin doesn't work, issue "update-java-alternatives" |
| 19:35.31 | robin_sz | stew, ok, thanks |
| 19:35.39 | valdyn | dpkg: forget mrgenixus 440go |
| 19:35.39 | dpkg | valdyn: i forgot mrgenixus 440go |
| 19:35.44 | stew | robin_sz: and you'll probably have to set it up yourself. is there some reason you can't just use iceweasel (which should be functionally no different than firefox) |
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| 19:35.58 | robin_sz | ustunozgur, ah, right, thanks |
| 19:36.11 | mrgenixus | valdyn: ty |
| 19:36.12 | cheshire314 | i tried to apt-get drupal but i was answered the package has become obsolete, is there any compatibility issue? |
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| 19:36.47 | rpc | how can i change the timezone my etch is in? |
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| 19:37.05 | xand | rpc: move it to a different place? |
| 19:37.20 | stew | rpc: run tzselect |
| 19:37.24 | robin_sz | stew, iceweasel has a massive memory leak that was corrected in firefox eons ago but the debian maintaineer hasn;t ported to iceweasel ... basically, it lags too far behind |
| 19:37.32 | rpc | stewe thank you, checking that one.. |
| 19:37.47 | stew | robin_sz: is there a bug filed in the bts? |
| 19:38.00 | valdyn | robin_sz: which firefox fixes this? |
| 19:38.13 | rpc | steve brilliant, exactly what i needed.. thanks alot |
| 19:38.18 | ofir | how long should it take Gparted to scan all devices, it has been taking it more then a minute..? |
| 19:38.21 | stew | i often leave iceweasel running for weeks |
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| 19:38.26 | robin_sz | stew, there was ... its been there for a while |
| 19:38.26 | valdyn | !info iceweasel etch |
| 19:38.31 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 8852 kB, Installed size: 26940 kB |
| 19:38.45 | valdyn | robin_sz: no like the firefox this iceweasel is based on is "aeons" old |
| 19:38.45 | Kevin` | lightweight? |
| 19:38.46 | Kevin` | haha |
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| 19:39.13 | stew | robin_sz: 2.0.0.3 is in etch, which is the current version available at mozilla.com |
| 19:39.32 | stew | robin_sz: which version of firefox contains the fix? |
| 19:39.39 | robin_sz | valdyn, whatever ... I run iceweasel and it grows to 150mb + in a few hours, I run firefox it doesnt ... |
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| 19:40.10 | ustunozgur | run both. they will cancel each other. |
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| 19:40.56 | valdyn | robin_sz: plugins |
| 19:40.58 | stew | robin_sz: sounds like its probably some extension/plugin |
| 19:41.01 | Kerr | 'lo, one of my boxes crashed and i'm pretty clueless why: where do i check to see if it spat out any errors before it went down? |
| 19:41.01 | valdyn | robin_sz: maybe |
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| 19:41.27 | robin_sz | stew, I guess its possible etch finally caught up ... but i'd still prefer to run firefox, as tis bound to lag behind again on something again, and firefox has a nicer logo :) |
| 19:41.35 | robin_sz | anyway .. thsi is all beside the point |
| 19:41.40 | tuvwx | are these messages normal for xfs-on-raid0 on every boot? 'Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: md0 (logdev: internal)' |
| 19:41.43 | valdyn | i knew its just the logo |
| 19:41.45 | hcarty | Kerr: /var/log |
| 19:41.51 | Vasistha | Kerr: /var/log ... all your logs should be there. You can do an ls -lt to sort by last modification time; of course if you have started up since then, that won't be particularly useful. |
| 19:41.55 | cheshire314 | any debian drupal user here? |
| 19:41.58 | robin_sz | all I want to do is get the damn thing to have a working jre |
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| 19:42.25 | ustunozgur | robin_sz: I can help you, but in 30 mins time. |
| 19:42.28 | stew | robin_sz: in iceweasel its "aptitude install sun-java5-plugin" with firefox, you are on your own |
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| 19:42.59 | robin_sz | just for you, I'll use iceweasel for the next 10 minutes |
| 19:43.28 | stew | don't bother doing it for me |
| 19:43.37 | valdyn | guess firefox branding works as people will see iceweasel being different where its only a few letters and an icon |
| 19:43.41 | robin_sz | ahh, sun-java5-plugin .!! ... SO I DO need to install something other than the JDK/JRE! |
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| 19:44.06 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! How do I tell dpkg-buildpackage to use make -j3 instead of just make ? |
| 19:44.15 | Vasistha | valdyn: sounds like he was experiencing a memory leak, though? |
| 19:44.58 | valdyn | Vasistha: unfortunetly a percieved firefox memload means about nothing at all |
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| 19:45.17 | valdyn | Vasistha: considering how firefox deals with memory even if its not leaking |
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| 19:45.31 | Vasistha | weird. |
| 19:45.34 | valdyn | s/memload/memleak/ |
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| 19:46.27 | ustunozgur | opera is lightning fast. |
| 19:46.28 | robin_sz | Vasistha, at the time I swapped from iceweasel to firefox, it was a known issue and was waiting for the maintainer to "do something" .. after 3 weks of reloading iceweasel once or twice a night, I gave up |
| 19:46.42 | ustunozgur | did you install the plugin robin_sz? |
| 19:46.54 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: so are links2 -g and dillo? |
| 19:46.56 | robin_sz | ustunozgur, I did, it works now :) |
| 19:47.01 | robin_sz | thank ye |
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| 19:48.18 | ustunozgur | but flash sometimes crashes in opera , right? |
| 19:48.20 | kth`` | _|Nix|_; MAKEFLAGS="-j3" dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 19:48.42 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: Thanks ! |
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| 19:48.47 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: better question for #opera on irc.opera.com |
| 19:49.03 | abrotman | ustunozgur: flash crashes lots of browsers :) |
| 19:49.08 | kth`` | _|Nix|_; If that doesn't work, try CONCURRENCY_LEVEL -- make-kpkg doesn't work with MAKEFLAGS but that instead |
| 19:49.23 | ustunozgur | Vasistha: right, but you know, we were talking about plugins. |
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| 19:49.47 | ustunozgur | btw tarzeau thanks I didn't know about links2 , I used links. |
| 19:50.05 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: OK, here's what I have so far (with all the other options): MAKEFLAGS='-j3' DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt,nostrip dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -I.svn |
| 19:50.31 | tarzeau | ustunozgur: the -g of links2 is great, and the keyboard control of it (check the menu, f9) |
| 19:50.37 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3 ? |
| 19:50.45 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: ... if that doesn't work ... |
| 19:50.52 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: yeah, I just don't use plugins very much :P I have them turned off by default, and only turn them on when I need/want them. Although I leave java on by default... byt I don't come across it all that much |
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| 19:51.07 | bugster | ¤ |
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| 19:51.50 | kth`` | _|Nix|_; Care to comment out your oneliners? I don't understand if MAKEFLAGS worked for you or not |
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| 19:52.11 | kth`` | err |
| 19:52.11 | kth`` | s/comment out/comment/ |
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| 19:52.21 | bigwig | hi |
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| 19:52.42 | tarzeau | anyone care to help me finish packaging libfreebasic/freebasic for debian? |
| 19:52.59 | bigwig | i just installed etch and i would like to make apache2.2 get httpbasicauth information from mysql instead of htpasswd file. what package should i use? |
| 19:53.14 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: NM. MAKEFLAGS worked. Thanks ! |
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| 19:53.54 | _|Nix|_ | kth``: No point wasting a dual core with serial make. |
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| 19:55.00 | _|Nix|_ | Sweet ! make -j3 is waaay faster than make alone ... |
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| 19:56.14 | ustunozgur | Vasistha: Btw you can use Proxomitron + Grypen filter set so that Flash /Java content is replaced with a Play/Stop graphic. So, unless you select Play, it doesn't load. |
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| 19:56.56 | Vasistha | ustunozgur: I've got an opera javascript tool to do just that, which I need to start using at some point ;) |
| 19:57.11 | nbkspwkdf | hello, does anyone have any idea how i could get my pc speaker to make a noise? pcspkr is loaded already, i am stumped |
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| 19:57.32 | MalMen | hello |
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| 19:57.35 | MalMen | where can i get the live-packages ? |
| 19:57.40 | Vasistha | nbkspwkdf: echo -e '\a' |
| 19:57.57 | stew | MalMen: what do you mean? |
| 19:57.58 | Kenman | greetings, I'm trying to list the drives that I have mounted, having trouble finding documentation on this, any help? |
| 19:58.08 | irule | what is the port for the CUPS web admin? I tried 631 to no avail |
| 19:58.18 | MalMen | stew i am tryint make that -> http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/02/debian-live-howto.html |
| 19:58.21 | stew | irule: its 631 |
| 19:58.23 | MalMen | live-packages not found |
| 19:58.28 | ustunozgur | Kenman: mount |
| 19:58.35 | Kenman | ustunozgur, thank you |
| 19:58.44 | nbkspwkdf | Vasistha: nope, nothing. this is an (allmost) fresh install |
| 19:59.10 | stew | MalMen: its not in stable, its in testing and unstable, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:59.11 | irule | stew no response there and I installed all necesary dependencies |
| 19:59.25 | irule | and cupsd is runinng too |
| 19:59.32 | stew | MalMen: and its called live-package and not live-packages |
| 19:59.43 | stew | irule: are you trying to connect to localhost or from some other machine? |
| 19:59.56 | irule | nope |
| 20:00.06 | stew | neither? |
| 20:00.06 | irule | that must be the security feature |
| 20:00.30 | irule | thanks foir the tip stew, shoul I try port forwading and running? |
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| 20:02.08 | stew | irule: you can configure which ips it binds to in /etc/cupsd.conf |
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| 20:03.06 | ofir | is this the way to clone a disk mounted on a network block device to sdb1? |
| 20:03.12 | anirban | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.19 | ofir | dd if=/dev/nb0 of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 20:03.33 | stew | anirban: you might consider changing that |
| 20:03.57 | stew | ofir: 'cp /dev/nb0 /dev/sdb1' is likely to be faster |
| 20:04.16 | ofir | stew: I need the mbr I think |
| 20:04.30 | ofir | stew: but I never did that so I need reasurance |
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| 20:04.49 | stew | ofir: the only difference between your command and mine is that mine would be using a more optimal block size than yours which is using the default 512 byte block size |
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| 20:05.20 | stew | ofir: and /dev/sdb1 would not include a mbr, the mbr would come before that partition on /dev/sdb |
| 20:05.40 | dkr | stew: better to use block size the size of the disk cache, :) |
| 20:05.51 | ofir | stew so I want to copy to sdb? |
| 20:06.16 | ofir | stew 'cp /dev/nb0 /dev/sdb' ? |
| 20:06.31 | stew | ofir: does /dev/nb0 contain a partition table? |
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| 20:06.43 | ofir | stew: I think it does |
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| 20:07.01 | stew | ofir: becuase that command is going to overwrite the partition table on /dev/sdb (which is located in the first block, with the boot record) |
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| 20:07.39 | anirban | oh |
| 20:08.13 | anirban | thanks stew |
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| 20:08.27 | anirban | sorry I put a blank |
| 20:08.54 | anirban | cpoy paste error |
| 20:09.06 | anirban | is there any package for automatix |
| 20:09.11 | ofir | stew: I am not sure what I should do then... I will think for a moment |
| 20:09.17 | anirban | for amd64 Etch |
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| 20:12.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: telnet 80.219.76.245 27015 |
| 20:13.13 | irule | Allow 192.168.5.64 under Allow localhost in cups.conf, then /etc/init.d/cupsys restart and I still get no response |
| 20:13.17 | bigwig | bye |
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| 20:14.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're a dork |
| 20:14.44 | stew | irule: you need to tell it to "Listen" to other ip addresses other than localhost |
| 20:15.00 | irule | oh great thanks a lot |
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| 20:16.54 | muharrem | selam |
| 20:17.04 | muharrem | k0131z varm0131 |
| 20:17.07 | muharrem | millet |
| 20:17.46 | illo | muharrem: postgresql to you, too |
| 20:18.04 | muharrem | ulan yarrak ne diyor |
| 20:18.14 | stew | muharrem: english only in here, please |
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| 20:18.33 | muharrem | nice tu meet you |
| 20:18.42 | muharrem | fren ilio |
| 20:19.04 | illo | muharrem, try /query illo |
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| 20:19.29 | muharrem | ya karde015fim i015fim var ya sen ne diyorsun |
| 20:19.42 | daxxar | I've got an issue running fsck.ext3 on my *big* partition (10TB) - it uses the available 500mb of memory in a blink, then dies (OOM killed). Anyone know why this happens, and if there's a workaround? |
| 20:19.43 | stew | muharrem: english only in here please |
| 20:19.56 | daxxar | Also, ^^Gu[L]Can is an onjoin spambot. :S |
| 20:20.04 | muharrem | am0131na koyam senin de inl015fin de |
| 20:20.10 | daxxar | (Advertising for "free porno videos") |
| 20:20.11 | illo | of course one sees "msg dpkg bts" in the topic and thinks his encoding is fine here |
| 20:20.14 | muharrem | ne diyorsan türkçe de anlayay0131m |
| 20:20.19 | xand | !ops muharrem spamming or something |
| 20:20.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xand complains about: muharrem spamming or something |
| 20:20.36 | xand | oh... stew :) |
| 20:20.41 | stew | !tr |
| 20:20.41 | dpkg | somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 20:20.45 | daxxar | !ops ^^Gu[L]Can Is an onjoin spambot ("Free Porno videos") |
| 20:20.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: daxxar complains about: ^^Gu[L]Can Is an onjoin spambot ("Free Porno videos") |
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| 20:20.53 | muharrem | BIRAKIN LAN KIZI O BEN0130M |
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| 20:21.05 | daxxar | Thanks. =) |
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| 20:21.35 | raf256 | help |
| 20:21.43 | stew | LoRez: i got the spam from ^^Gu[L]Can as well fwiw |
| 20:21.49 | stew | and i never get onjoin spam! |
| 20:21.54 | raf256 | my system date is 22:21 but all programs use date 20:00 as if my time/local is incorrect... why?> |
| 20:22.05 | ustunozgur | he was swearing in Turkish. |
| 20:22.08 | stew | raf256: run tzselect |
| 20:23.11 | daxxar | How do I resize an ext3-partition from 5TB to 10TB? fsck.ext3 dies due to OOM-conditions. :-( |
| 20:23.11 | raf256 | $date shows: Thu May 3 20:22:09 UTC 2007 (this indeed is UTC now) and in my timezone time should be 22:22 |
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| 20:23.13 | raf256 | ste |
| 20:23.16 | stew | raf256: run tzselect |
| 20:23.39 | raf256 | stew: I did, it showed correctly: Local time is now: Thu May 3 22:22:57 CEST 2007. but when I after that typed $ date it again displayed 20 |
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| 20:24.24 | mutantpineapple | utc is the same as gmt, isn't it? |
| 20:24.39 | stew | mutantpineapple: not quite, but close |
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| 20:25.18 | raf256 | stew: tzconfig displayed that my local time is now 22, but after accepptig that, date still shows 20. |
| 20:26.08 | stew | i don't know then |
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| 20:34.31 | raf256 | date shows time 20 yet tzconfig tells my localtime is 22 .... wtf... perhaps I should tell system to show dates in my local time? |
| 20:34.50 | chops | raf256: $TZ set? |
| 20:34.53 | nvz | Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.. heh .. makes me wanna set my default quit message to "Irssi! Bigger, Harder, Deeper!" |
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| 20:35.07 | Vasistha | not slower? :D |
| 20:35.17 | raf256 | chops: echo $TZ is empty |
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| 20:36.12 | chops | raf256: You could try looking over `printenv` for things like $TIMEZONE... that's all I can think of. |
| 20:36.30 | irule | I get an "403 Forbidden" message from http://192.168.5.4:631/ and I already added listen and allow to cups.conf, am I missing something? thanks |
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| 20:36.47 | xand | nvz: but with irssi you never quit ;) |
| 20:36.54 | raf256 | chops: I dont have any such thing set... should I? |
| 20:37.07 | chops | raf256: If you set it to the right value, does your timezone get correct? :-) |
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| 20:37.21 | raf256 | irule: you are connecting to second box in tour LAN? |
| 20:37.30 | nvz | xand: yeah this is true.. |
| 20:37.31 | chops | raf256: AFAIK "date" should show the same time zone as "tzconfig" unless you have something funny in your environment |
| 20:37.40 | raf256 | chops: what should I use to configure $TZ env var? |
| 20:37.42 | irule | yes |
| 20:37.46 | chops | raf256: But if setting something funny in your environment _fixes_ things... *shrug* |
| 20:37.56 | chops | raf256: $EDITOR ~/.bash_profile |
| 20:38.17 | raf256 | this is the debian way? also I want to set it system wide not just fix one user |
| 20:38.23 | nvz | Irssi uptime: 5d 2h 43m 21s, and thats cause I locked up screen and the ^Q or C-a ^q wasnt helping so I killed it |
| 20:38.27 | raf256 | and - why did it broke, it was working |
| 20:38.35 | nvz | I had several weeks uptime before that |
| 20:38.40 | chops | raf256: You might do better to actually track it down; if e.g. the timezone that goes into your log files is different than what's in your prompt, it might be confusing |
| 20:38.40 | xand | weeks? |
| 20:38.49 | chops | nvz: Weeks? Holy smokes |
| 20:38.55 | nvz | irssi and screen are good friends on my system |
| 20:39.10 | raf256 | CHodapp: are there other utils to config my timezone and local which I should check? |
| 20:39.12 | xand | mine is usually more than half a year |
| 20:39.12 | nvz | they hang out with ssh sometimes too |
| 20:39.26 | nvz | I dont get that kinda uptime on my box |
| 20:39.28 | raf256 | CHodapp: timezone menas "timezone setting in locale" or is there other tool/setting for locales |
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| 20:39.44 | chops | raf256: tzconfig has always worked for me |
| 20:39.50 | nvz | unless I had a UPS and hotswap drives, and could figure out how to upgrade kernel without rebooting thats not gonna happen |
| 20:39.53 | raf256 | xand: you dont reinstall kernel after critical bugs are discovered? |
| 20:39.54 | nvz | I change things too much |
| 20:40.06 | chops | raf256: I'm not familiar with how timezones interact with locales, sorry |
| 20:40.23 | nvz | I'm out of HD space now pretty much.. i deleted like 2.6GB worth of stuff to make the system stay running until I get around to doing something about it |
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| 20:41.07 | xand | irssi can be upgraded without quitting ;) |
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| 20:41.30 | rocketmagnet | what command do i need to start/stop services in debian ? |
| 20:41.48 | xand | rocketmagnet: /etc/init.d/<service> <start|stop|restart> |
| 20:41.49 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: probably something in /etc/init.d |
| 20:42.10 | nvz | this is my systems uptime, 16:41:47 up 52 days, 11:35, 8 users, load average: 1.92, 1.70, 1.72 |
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| 20:42.41 | Lucian_bz | hello all |
| 20:42.45 | nvz | thats pretty long for me.. I've had it higher.. but I take it down a lot.. change computers entirely sometimes, change kernels, change drives.. etc |
| 20:42.47 | Lucian_bz | i have a small question |
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| 20:43.22 | nvz | I've probably started irssi 3 times since the last boot |
| 20:43.43 | xand | Lucian_bz: ask it then |
| 20:43.43 | kdog | I am trying to "adduser scott" and it's failing telling me that scott exists. If I grep /etc/passwd for scott there is no match. Where is adduser finding scott? |
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| 20:44.33 | ustunozgur | nvz: did you delete your apt cache? |
| 20:45.19 | nvz | ustunozgur: no not since the upgrade I did the other night |
| 20:45.22 | Lucian_bz | i have a small internet network and i want to create a aplication in php for admin the client. My question is: what is need to set for restart, stop, dhcp, or htb, from php page (script). I read on google - is required to set the right for apache user to run the folowing command, but what is step for set right for apache user? Please help me |
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| 20:45.46 | nvz | ustunozgur: I deleted kids movies from /srv/samba/Video/Movies/ since I don't have a kid living with me anymore |
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| 20:46.25 | rocketmagnet | xand: thank you |
| 20:47.01 | rocketmagnet | xand: i was a fedora user before and just used $ service httpd stop, for example =) |
| 20:47.19 | nvz | ustunozgur: doesnt seem to me like any ammount of removing package cache or even uninstalling unused packages will free up much space for me. |
| 20:47.20 | wide_awake | Is it pretty painless to switch from apache2-mpm-worker to apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 20:47.22 | wide_awake | ? |
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| 20:47.49 | Vasistha | rocketmagnet: yeah, you probably want /etc/init.d/apache stop (or apache2) |
| 20:47.53 | ustunozgur | it freed 2.5 gigs for me |
| 20:48.02 | nvz | ustunozgur: I don't have much I don't need anyhow and the packages I use are all pretty small.. not going to effect my percentage of free space at all if I deleted the whole system.. heh most of my space is in user data |
| 20:48.30 | ofir | is ti my nbd that make gparted so slow to scan devices? |
| 20:48.31 | rocketmagnet | Vasistha: apache2 does it |
| 20:48.47 | jeef | during installation, there is a prompt for whether or not your system is set to utc.. can i re-access that setting on an installed system? |
| 20:49.56 | Lucian_bz | xand - can you help me please |
| 20:49.57 | Lucian_bz | ? |
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| 20:50.06 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 20:50.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:50.34 | Vasistha | Lucian_bz: I don't really understand your question, actually. |
| 20:51.02 | Lucian_bz | :) first, sorry for my english |
| 20:51.20 | Lucian_bz | i want to start and stop dhcp server for example, from a php script page |
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| 20:51.53 | xand | jeef: it's set in /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:51.53 | Lucian_bz | i want to wnter : 89.42.33.1/page.php and click on the link, and the script restart the dhcp server |
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| 20:52.09 | Lucian_bz | the page will be locate on the same server-of course |
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| 20:52.20 | Lucian_bz | you understand now? |
| 20:52.29 | Vasistha | Lucian_bz: well, php scripts are run by the apache user, which is www-data ... and the user www-data really doesn't have permission to stop services |
| 20:52.52 | nvz | ustunozgur: well I guess that upgrade to 4.0 stable from 4.0 testing I did not too long ago was heftier than I thought.. it freed 1.7G |
| 20:53.06 | xand | Vasistha: well it's possible to allow www-data to execute /etc/init.d/* but you have to beware the security implications |
| 20:53.22 | CaspeR- | Vasistha: but you can give permision with sudo :) I don`t know how ... my shame :( |
| 20:53.27 | Vasistha | Lucian_bz: checkk out suphp too |
| 20:53.50 | Yaroon | Hangs during update :( |
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| 20:54.19 | Lucian_bz | for example now i have this command in php file |
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| 20:54.20 | Lucian_bz | <?php |
| 20:54.20 | Lucian_bz | $command="/etc/init.d/rc.htb stop"; |
| 20:54.20 | Lucian_bz | $output=shell_exec($command." 2>&1"); //system call |
| 20:54.20 | Lucian_bz | print "<pre>$output</pre>\n"; //show output |
| 20:54.20 | Lucian_bz | ?> |
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| 20:54.20 | ditoa | not sure if this is the right channel but is there anyway i can make apps load faster on my debian4 system? |
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| 20:54.39 | Lucian_bz | sorry!! |
| 20:54.41 | Lucian_bz | :( |
| 20:54.42 | mfrisch | ditoa: get more ram? |
| 20:54.51 | ditoa | got 2gb |
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| 20:54.57 | mfrisch | ditoa: my |
| 20:55.10 | zinx | ditoa: prelink |
| 20:55.14 | ditoa | i hate to compare to windows but windows loads pretty much every app faster |
| 20:55.16 | Lucian_bz | and when i try to access 89.42.33.1/test.php i receive this error: This script must be run as root |
| 20:55.18 | mfrisch | ditoa: there is a preload thingy as well |
| 20:55.19 | ditoa | things like firefox load much faster |
| 20:55.28 | Lucian_bz | can you explain me more? |
| 20:55.35 | zinx | ditoa: you've probably set firefox to load at system bootup |
| 20:55.39 | zinx | ditoa: in windows |
| 20:55.53 | ditoa | nope, standard install |
| 20:55.58 | jeef | xand: thanks! |
| 20:56.02 | Seb | how does one do fastcgi with apache (not apache2) on etch ? I can't seem to find a package for it... |
| 20:56.03 | jeef | much appreciated indeed |
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| 20:56.07 | ditoa | i press the button and up it pops in about half the time it takes to on debian :( |
| 20:56.10 | jeef | worked like a charm :) |
| 20:56.11 | raf256 | yes, the problem is in my locales settings... |
| 20:56.23 | raf256 | in debian - how to reconfigure all locales (insluding default time locale) |
| 20:56.33 | Xenguy | The grep man page refers to 'GTYPE' or 'GFMT' and contains a line: %= lines common to FILE1 and FILE2 |
| 20:56.42 | Xenguy | Does anyone know how to grep this way? |
| 20:57.02 | Xenguy | I want to output only lines common to 2 files |
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| 20:58.57 | mfrisch | raf256: for the actual language do dpkg-reconfigure locales as root...for the time... |
| 20:59.23 | raf256 | yes I did d-r locales, now how to set all other things, date format, time format (and tz), money format |
| 21:00.41 | mfrisch | raf256: and for timezones do a man tzset then think about just ntpdate to keep it in sync |
| 21:00.43 | rocketmagnet | hi everyone, i have a small problem with my user interface, i'm searching for a data structure for saving the button layout so that i don't have to check every program cycle all buttons if mousecursor collide ? |
| 21:01.07 | Lucian_bz | can help me?? |
| 21:01.09 | Lucian_bz | :) |
| 21:01.10 | mfrisch | raf256: what money? |
| 21:01.10 | raf256 | mfrisch: the problems is that commands locale output all US stuff |
| 21:01.13 | rocketmagnet | is bsp is for this ? |
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| 21:01.55 | raf256 | locale print: LC_NUMERIC="en_US" LC_CTYPE="en_US" LC_ADDRESS="en_US" and so on. I want all of this to be pl_PL. except I want the system messages to be in us_US |
| 21:01.56 | mfrisch | raf256: what locale did you use? |
| 21:02.21 | mfrisch | raf256: poland? |
| 21:02.25 | raf256 | mfrisch: http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=35373 |
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| 21:02.50 | raf256 | yes, and I need poland. Last time I was configurit it it was poland but now it changed, apparently |
| 21:03.00 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | hi |
| 21:03.00 | Xenguy | s/grep/diff |
| 21:03.02 | bipolar | does sid have an armel port yet? |
| 21:03.10 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | im installing gentoo |
| 21:03.24 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | like i said i would last night |
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| 21:03.42 | Seb | deb-gen-ubu-nn: gentoo is so much faster than debian |
| 21:03.57 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | well that depends |
| 21:04.03 | bipolar | deb-gen-ubu-nn: what stage install are you doing? |
| 21:04.03 | Seb | deb-gen-ubu-nn: no it doesn't |
| 21:04.05 | amphi | !gentoosmite deb-gen-ubu-nn |
| 21:04.21 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | source is a bit slower at compileing then installing binary |
| 21:04.27 | zinx | gentoo causes global warming |
| 21:04.36 | Seb | deb-gen-ubu-nn: it's faster |
| 21:04.41 | raf256 | hug a tree - dont use gentoo :P |
| 21:04.53 | zinx | Seb: faster at what? |
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| 21:05.06 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | Well not for the genral newbe |
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| 21:05.29 | mfrisch | raf256: I don't know from experience but do a man localeconv and read to see if that will help |
| 21:05.48 | bipolar | deb-gen-ubu-nn: doing a stage 0 install of gentoo is a great way to learn how a linux system funtions. |
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| 21:05.49 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | i failed my first time went to debian now installing gentoo on 1 mechiean |
| 21:05.51 | amphi | dpkg is a bit lagged |
| 21:05.55 | Seb | zinx: at everything |
| 21:06.04 | Lucian_bz | please read here: http://rafb.net/p/BH18DM84.html and if you can , please help me |
| 21:06.24 | zinx | Seb: so.... you just a troll? |
| 21:06.46 | Seb | zinx: an ironical one, yeah |
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| 21:07.36 | Seb | zinx: not like I will ever build a system, and then all my packages, from source heh |
| 21:08.14 | zinx | Seb: why not? you learn so much watching gcc compile lines that are almost exactly alike scroll off the screen |
| 21:08.56 | Seb | zinx: whenever I want a crash course in '*NIX systems from scratch' I go with a *BSD ;) |
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| 21:09.14 | keram | is this a very bad error msg to get? |
| 21:09.19 | raf256 | which package sets up things like locale settings? |
| 21:09.21 | Seb | zinx: plus, as a DD, what'd I look like running gentoo ? :D |
| 21:09.23 | raf256 | so I can dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 21:09.26 | keram | http://rafb.net/p/gfJd3b25.html |
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| 21:09.28 | Seb | raf256: locales, surprisingly |
| 21:09.34 | zinx | Seb: Well. Not everyone can type 'emerge package', i guess. |
| 21:09.45 | chops | raf256: Are you just trying to change what locale you're in, or something more sophisticated? |
| 21:10.03 | zinx | Seb: apt-get package is so much easier :P |
| 21:10.04 | raf256 | Seb: surprisinlgy - no, not locales |
| 21:10.09 | zinx | erh, insert 'install' :x |
| 21:10.26 | raf256 | chops: I just want my locales to be all pl_PL (except messages - I want us_US messages) |
| 21:10.30 | Seb | zinx: you meant alias i='apt-get install' |
| 21:10.38 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | what is portage |
| 21:10.45 | Seb | raf256: then you need to ask the right question, man |
| 21:10.46 | chops | raf256: That's determined by your environment variables |
| 21:10.53 | Seb | deb-gen-ubu-nn: /join #gentoo. Do it NOW. |
| 21:10.58 | raf256 | Seb: dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales asks me only about language, and I want to set the other things as well |
| 21:11.03 | zinx | Seb: hehe |
| 21:11.17 | raf256 | I will join #gentoo ! |
| 21:11.25 | raf256 | ha, still banned |
| 21:11.26 | chops | raf256: I'm not sure how to get that combination... $LANG, and $LC_FOO are the ones I know about, but I don't know the right values for FOO |
| 21:11.34 | Seb | raf256: I'm not sure you understand what a locale is, but follow chops' advice |
| 21:11.39 | Seb | raf256: look for env variables |
| 21:11.59 | raf256 | I dont really understand what locales are and I dont really want to - I simply want my clock to show time for pl_PL time zone not for GMT |
| 21:12.30 | Seb | raf256: that has nothing to do with locale |
| 21:12.47 | deb-gen-ubu-nn | oh sory how did i get switched to debian ;;; sory ;;; ps debian is actually my main system im just installing it to play with is so i can be qulified to help them in the irc over there lol |
| 21:13.00 | Seb | raf256: man tzselect |
| 21:13.02 | raf256 | Seb: so why it doesnt work? my tz is gmt+2, so its 23 of mylocal time |
| 21:13.15 | Seb | raf256: man hwclock |
| 21:13.24 | chops | raf256: ntpdate might help as well |
| 21:13.25 | raf256 | Seb: yes I did used tzselect, it says my local time is 23. Still date says my local time is 21. |
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| 21:13.37 | raf256 | chops: no, my time IS correct - 21 (gmt) |
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| 21:13.55 | raf256 | only I want all applications to display the LOCAL time (21+2) not the UTC one |
| 21:14.07 | Lucian_bz | can anithing help me please??? |
| 21:14.10 | chops | raf256: What does date -R say? |
| 21:14.17 | cmunx | hello |
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| 21:14.26 | Lucian_bz | ?? |
| 21:14.28 | raf256 | Thu, 03 May 2007 21:14:20 +0000 |
| 21:14.28 | Lucian_bz | :( |
| 21:14.36 | raf256 | Lucian_bz: you forgoten to ask the question |
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| 21:14.56 | raf256 | oh, sorry, he did - Thu, 03 May 2007 21:14:20 +0000 |
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| 21:15.09 | raf256 | oh, sorry, he did - <Lucian_bz> please read here: http://rafb.net/p/BH18DM84.html |
| 21:15.23 | bintut | i tried building the vanilla kernel 2.6.21.1 with LVM support (1 static and 1 as a module) using make-kpkg tool on my debian etch to the kernel but whenever i tried to boot, it doesn't proceed/mount my lvm partitions. i'm wondering if i am the one missing some options to the kernel config or if there is a known bug to the latest kernel to support lvm partitions |
| 21:15.24 | cmunx | what's going on here? |
| 21:15.25 | Foolish_ | I know there are scripts to convert from diff.gz to dpatch, can I convert patches from dpatch to diff.gz? |
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| 21:15.53 | chops | raf256: So you've used tzselect... but it still thinks your time zone is GMT. I'm not sure what to tell you; tzselect has always worked satisfactorily for me. |
| 21:15.54 | raf256 | Lucian_bz: you are doing it all quite wrong imho. php web page should NOT be allowed to run commands as root. |
| 21:16.24 | raf256 | Seb: well, I followed chops advice (tzselect) but sitll it doesnt work... help? :) |
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| 21:16.55 | chops | raf256: cat /etc/timezone? |
| 21:17.36 | ustunozgur | raf256: do you have X? |
| 21:17.47 | Lucian_bz | raf256, not, i not forgot |
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| 21:17.54 | Lucian_bz | the question is in paste |
| 21:17.55 | Lucian_bz | What is the steps for set right for apache user to start, sop, etc .. htb, or dhcp server? |
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| 21:18.05 | Seb | bintut: we only support debian prebuilt kernels in here |
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| 21:18.33 | Seb | bintut: not cause we're bitches and feel like it, but there are so many things that can go wrong with user-configured kernels that we could spend days and days trying to help you out |
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| 21:18.48 | ma3x | this is incredible |
| 21:18.50 | ma3x | -rwxr-xr-x 1 ma3x ma3x 9.3M 2006-09-29 16:06 skype |
| 21:18.56 | ma3x | I type ./skype |
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| 21:19.03 | ma3x | bash: ./skype: No such file or directory |
| 21:19.09 | ma3x | how's that possible? |
| 21:19.10 | bintut | Seb: yeah, i know that.. |
| 21:19.11 | raf256 | ustunozgur: yes I have x |
| 21:19.19 | ustunozgur | gnome? |
| 21:19.20 | linux2 | anyone here know how to use dhcp3 with ltsp? |
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| 21:19.30 | raf256 | chops: Europe/Warsaw (so its ok) |
| 21:19.34 | linux2 | i am trying to setup ltsp and well it is kinda working when i boot off of PXE |
| 21:19.34 | Seb | bintut: looking at your question, one could doubt that, now couldn't he ? |
| 21:19.40 | Lucian_bz | i am invisibile here???? |
| 21:19.41 | Lucian_bz | :-/ |
| 21:19.45 | Lucian_bz | please help me |
| 21:19.54 | ma3x | anyone |
| 21:20.07 | Seb | Lucian_bz: what you pasted looks ok |
| 21:20.07 | chops | Lucian_bz: Step 1: Don't make people open a web link to read the question you're asking |
| 21:20.20 | Seb | Lucian_bz: i don't understand your apache question though |
| 21:20.24 | ustunozgur | raf256: Under Settings, there should be "Date and Time" |
| 21:20.26 | Lucian_bz | ok, seb |
| 21:20.35 | bintut | Seb: basically, there are 2 important options to enable in the kernel config to support lvm and i enabled them |
| 21:20.36 | raf256 | Lucian_bz want to have a php script stop some service |
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| 21:20.46 | Lucian_bz | when i try to access the script from terinal - putty, the script work |
| 21:20.49 | Lucian_bz | the htb is stoped |
| 21:20.54 | raf256 | ustunozgur: yes I am in kde controll center but it doesnt seem to work |
| 21:21.08 | Lucian_bz | but when i try to access from web : 89.42.33.1/test.php, i receive the error |
| 21:21.09 | ustunozgur | is ntp running? |
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| 21:21.16 | Seb | bintut: gotta be a 3rd one you forgot, then |
| 21:21.21 | Lucian_bz | this error: This script must be run as root |
| 21:21.40 | Lucian_bz | what is need to set on my server to stop htb from web php page? |
| 21:21.42 | raf256 | my hwclock is: czw 03 maj 2007 21:21:29 UTC -0.602979 seconds so I say my hwclock is correctly configured right? |
| 21:21.48 | Kassah | is there a way to remount the root filesystem |
| 21:21.50 | Lucian_bz | you understand now my question? |
| 21:21.54 | Seb | bintut: as more time passes, you will too understand why we can't support user-compiled kernels |
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| 21:22.06 | Seb | Lucian_bz: use sudo |
| 21:22.14 | raf256 | Kassah: perhaps mount .... -o remount also read man mount seach for bind |
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| 21:22.21 | Lucian_bz | ok, i find this on google, "using sudo" |
| 21:22.22 | Seb | Lucian_bz: don't call "theScript" from php, call "sudo theScript" |
| 21:22.25 | ustunozgur | raf256: ntp? |
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| 21:22.30 | Kronuz | hello |
| 21:22.38 | lawlcostr | helo :D |
| 21:22.40 | Seb | Lucian_bz: you'll need to configure sudo to enable the web user to run your script as root without a password |
| 21:22.48 | lawlcostr | guyz, ubuntu popularity is > debian |
| 21:22.49 | Seb | Lucian_bz: got get a howto on sudo, or some examples or something |
| 21:22.56 | lawlcostr | we losing the battle and teh war :( |
| 21:22.58 | bintut | Seb: i understand that |
| 21:23.03 | raf256 | lawlcostr: yes, and FINALLY the new debian leader realized that |
| 21:23.03 | Lucian_bz | change command to " sudo $command="/etc/init.d/rc.htb stop";"? |
| 21:23.04 | lawlcostr | this is serious business |
| 21:23.12 | Lucian_bz | i understand right? |
| 21:23.13 | Kronuz | hey, I can't make my iceweasel have sound in the flash content... does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 21:23.21 | J_P | hi all |
| 21:23.23 | lawlcostr | raf256 oh yeah? he said about changing anything? |
| 21:23.25 | Seb | Lucian_bz: got get a howto on sudo, or some examples or something |
| 21:23.32 | raf256 | lawlcostr: yea |
| 21:23.38 | Kassah | raf256: that seems to be working... wonder why it got into read-only mode |
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| 21:23.41 | lawlcostr | wat he say man? |
| 21:23.47 | Seb | ubuntu is based on debian, who cares if it's popularity is greater ? |
| 21:23.58 | lawlcostr | lawlcostr CARES |
| 21:23.58 | binux | sorry guys i have this problem...i had migrate from suse server to debian...first all my sites works correctly...now i get this error: |
| 21:23.59 | binux | Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 |
| 21:24.03 | lawlcostr | >| |
| 21:24.04 | binux | what's the problem' |
| 21:24.05 | binux | ? |
| 21:24.06 | ma3x | can anyone help me with this ? |
| 21:24.11 | Lucian_bz | i search on the web from sudo bunt i not find anything about how to set the right for apache user to run sudo command |
| 21:24.25 | streuner | ma3x: we support open source. |
| 21:24.26 | Seb | binux: mysql client libs vs. server mismatch ? |
| 21:24.35 | ma3x | streuner, this is a file issue |
| 21:24.38 | ma3x | not a skype |
| 21:24.42 | streuner | no, that's OT |
| 21:24.47 | Seb | Lucian_bz: you won't get anymore fish from me. Got get some documentation. |
| 21:24.48 | ma3x | no it's not!!!! |
| 21:24.51 | Lucian_bz | i not have set the right permision for apache user, and i don`t know how is made this |
| 21:24.53 | ma3x | I can have any file on my system I want |
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| 21:25.03 | J_P | people, I have a 4,5gb of files to sabe in CD (700mb). What is better form to divide that, record in CD. and when I will be need get all peaces and have agaim 4,5gb of the data ? split is better form ? |
| 21:25.06 | ma3x | debian should execute it |
| 21:25.15 | ma3x | if not, then it shouldnt listi t |
| 21:25.17 | binux | Seb: what packet? mysql-client? |
| 21:25.20 | Seb | ma3x: but that doesn't force us to support you with some non-open source shit, now does it ? |
| 21:25.26 | Seb | binux: look around, i dunno |
| 21:25.28 | Lucian_bz | this is my question, how i can set the right for stop htb for apache user? |
| 21:25.36 | ma3x | Seb, then how come it lists it? |
| 21:25.44 | Seb | ma3x: lists it ? |
| 21:25.49 | Seb | ma3x: what do you mean ? |
| 21:25.52 | ma3x | -rwxr-xr-x 1 ma3x ma3x 9.3M 2006-09-29 16:06 skype |
| 21:26.10 | Seb | ma3x: hrm cuz you downloaded it, smartass ? |
| 21:26.10 | ma3x | it lists it as an existing file |
| 21:26.21 | ma3x | so how come it says no such file or directory |
| 21:26.34 | Seb | ma3x: when doing what ? |
| 21:26.34 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Sorry? |
| 21:26.43 | ma3x | Seb, anything with it |
| 21:26.52 | ma3x | Seb, ./skype |
| 21:27.13 | karsten | !date |
| 21:27.14 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.05.03 21:27:10 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 21:27.20 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 21:27.21 | ustunozgur | ma3x, can you cp it? |
| 21:27.22 | Seb | ma3x: it doesn't understand the file format ? |
| 21:27.25 | enouf | J_P: you want to split large files for cd burning? |
| 21:27.25 | ustunozgur | or mv it? |
| 21:27.28 | streuner | !permanent sunday |
| 21:27.29 | Lucian_bz | Seb you understand now? and please, you can help me with more information, not only "sudo:? |
| 21:27.30 | ma3x | ustunozgur, yes |
| 21:27.36 | karsten | !thursday |
| 21:27.37 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 21:27.46 | Seb | Lucian_bz: no. THere is fine documentation for sudo, you go and read it. |
| 21:27.55 | ustunozgur | try moving it and try executing it that way. |
| 21:27.57 | ma3x | Seb, its a 32 bit file, and I run 64 bit platform, it's probably that, right? |
| 21:27.59 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Read sudo docs. And no, I don't particularly understand you. |
| 21:28.02 | Lucian_bz | ok... thank you |
| 21:28.04 | Lucian_bz | bye |
| 21:28.08 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Romanian? |
| 21:28.16 | karsten | !customer |
| 21:28.16 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 21:29.02 | J_P | enouf: yes!!! |
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| 21:29.30 | enouf | J_P: ok , is it because you don't have a 700MB blank CD? |
| 21:29.36 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: could be - ldd ./skype (probably says not a dynamic executable) - so do export ldd() { LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 $*; } (then ldd ./skype) and see what you are missing |
| 21:29.54 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: maybe some of them are in ia32-libs or whatever |
| 21:30.12 | ma3x | /usr/bin/ldd: line 171: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory |
| 21:30.12 | ma3x | ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code (127) |
| 21:30.27 | ustunozgur | ma3x: did you download .deb for it? |
| 21:30.48 | binux | Seb: i install mysql-client...but is the same |
| 21:30.54 | ma3x | ustunozgur, no, the dynamic binary |
| 21:30.55 | ma3x | shit |
| 21:31.01 | ma3x | I was supposed to download the static library |
| 21:31.06 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: that is part of libc6-i386 |
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| 21:31.15 | ma3x | err /s/binary |
| 21:31.23 | ustunozgur | download deb. |
| 21:31.24 | Seb | binux: i did mention a binary mismatch, didn't I ? It's not about having it installed, it's about having client libs matching the server version |
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| 21:31.36 | Kronuz | do I have to edit my /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc file and change something for the sound to work? |
| 21:31.38 | ma3x | ustunozgur, the deb is built for i386, not 64 |
| 21:31.51 | J_P | enouf: yes, I have, but my files total is 4,5GB |
| 21:31.57 | karsten | Kronuz: Is that a rhetorical question? |
| 21:32.02 | enouf | J_P: a couple of links http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/main_eng.html and http://www.serice.net/shunt/ rather than using the 'split' utility |
| 21:32.05 | Kronuz | ^_^ |
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| 21:32.14 | enouf | J_P: 4.5GB? |
| 21:32.14 | binux | Seb: how can view it? |
| 21:32.21 | karsten | Kronuz: And if it's not, could you be specific about what you edited, why, and how sound wasn't working previously? |
| 21:32.21 | Kronuz | karsten: it's just that the sound in the flash content is not working for some reason |
| 21:32.28 | enouf | J_P: you can use overburn perhaps |
| 21:32.35 | Kronuz | and I'm not sure it ever worked |
| 21:32.42 | karsten | Kronuz: Does sound *outside* flash work? |
| 21:32.48 | Seb | binux: search on the net, i know mysql changed something recently. And check if your version are the same on the client and the server., I'm really not sure how to phrase it differently. |
| 21:32.53 | karsten | Kronuz: Or alternate answer: feature! |
| 21:32.54 | h3sp4wn | ma3x: static would probably be easier |
| 21:32.54 | Kronuz | (I just tried to play a video from youtube and I realized it doesn't work) |
| 21:33.10 | enouf | J_P: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools and use growisofs with the overburn option |
| 21:33.13 | Kronuz | karsten: it works in gnome in general, but how to test it somewhere else in iceweasel? |
| 21:33.15 | ma3x | skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.0, stripped |
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| 21:33.25 | enouf | J_P: no need to split files then |
| 21:33.30 | ma3x | bash: ./skype: No such file or directory |
| 21:33.39 | Kronuz | I think it works with mplayer's plugin (I'm pretty sure I saw it working with sound in there) |
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| 21:33.58 | rts | Kronuz: if you don't use a soundserver, and something else has grabbed /dev/dsp (like another flash), your video is out of luck, even though everything works correctly |
| 21:33.58 | karsten | Kronuz: Sounds like a possible mixer/plugin setting issue. |
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| 21:34.12 | chops | ma3x: 64-bit machine? |
| 21:34.14 | karsten | Kronuz: Sound isn't my forte (or even my pianoforte). |
| 21:34.22 | ma3x | chops, yup |
| 21:34.30 | chops | ma3x: Have ia32libs installed? |
| 21:34.33 | J_P | enouf: what is advantage that over split files ? |
| 21:34.34 | bilsta | hey guys got a problem with a debian box, cant ssh into it. basically i usse putty, i put the the username "root" and then press enter, and then i get a message saying " server unexpectedly closed network connection ". Any ideas ? |
| 21:34.34 | enouf | J_P: another option (depending upon what files they are) is to just tar, and/or gzip the files a bit, before burning, but it depends what files they are, and for what purpose |
| 21:34.36 | ma3x | nope |
| 21:34.36 | Stevie-O | what other kind is there, chops? :) |
| 21:34.38 | ma3x | is that a must? |
| 21:34.40 | Kronuz | hmm... rts, so that's what soundservers are for? |
| 21:34.51 | chops | ma3x: For running 32-bit binaries, it is :-) |
| 21:34.54 | Kronuz | I just installed debian as it comes (using gnome) |
| 21:35.03 | ma3x | okay thanks for the piece of advice |
| 21:35.03 | rts | Kronuz: yea, have multiple sounds play at once |
| 21:35.07 | enouf | J_P: why split, when you don't have to, for just an extra 100MB or so? |
| 21:35.08 | karsten | bilsta: root logins disabled? |
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| 21:35.13 | karsten | bilsta: Try nonprivileged user. |
| 21:35.15 | Kronuz | but I think it's not using alsa or oss |
| 21:35.24 | chops | ma3x: That is a sort of silly error to get; might want to file a wishlist bug against bash if there isn't one |
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| 21:35.36 | karsten | bilsta: Confirm that sshd is configured, I'd suggest 'ssh -v' not sure what PuTTY's equiv is. |
| 21:35.36 | enouf | J_P: if you want to split .. be my guest ;-) |
| 21:35.40 | h3sp4wn | Kronuz: flash9 uses only alsa |
| 21:35.51 | enouf | mo info mo info mo info |
| 21:35.53 | ma3x | chops, yeah it works now! |
| 21:35.54 | rts | Kronuz: it must be either alsa or oss. but soundservers are on top of that, they're called eg "esound" or "jackd" |
| 21:36.01 | karsten | h3sp4wn: I hear flash10 will use the new serial technology. |
| 21:36.04 | chops | ma3x: Rock and roll |
| 21:36.05 | karsten | h3sp4wn: salsa. |
| 21:36.12 | bilsta | karsten: no, the same thing happens, it was working the box has been up for 200+ days |
| 21:36.22 | bilsta | but just stopped working for no reason, that i know of |
| 21:36.25 | karsten | bilsta: same thing happens when / what? |
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| 21:36.41 | h3sp4wn | karsten: Won't make much difference to me (as I hate the thing) |
| 21:36.42 | bilsta | When i try to login with a unprevilged user |
| 21:36.45 | wintix | bilsta: maybe keyboard interactive login deactivated? |
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| 21:37.05 | karsten | bilsta: Read logs on the remote host then. |
| 21:37.12 | Kronuz | rts: so alsa and oss are not sound servers then? |
| 21:37.14 | karsten | bilsta: Or run ssh verbose mode as I told you to. |
| 21:37.21 | karsten | bilsta: If you can't access the host you're SOL. |
| 21:37.24 | karsten | !SOL |
| 21:37.24 | dpkg | methinks sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 21:37.29 | chops | Kronuz: No, they're kernel sound interfaces |
| 21:37.42 | rts | Kronuz: no, alsa/oss are the kernel sound drivers |
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| 21:37.52 | bilsta | lol, karsten: but could you tell me what the likely cause is |
| 21:37.52 | Dave_is_sex1 | if anyone is familiar with wlan could you take a look here: http://pastebin.ca/469732 i see networks but have no internet |
| 21:38.08 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: Do you have a default route? |
| 21:38.10 | raf256 | hmm |
| 21:38.16 | Kronuz | I interesting |
| 21:38.17 | ma3x | chops, any idea how to get flash working in mozilla? |
| 21:38.19 | karsten | bilsta: No. |
| 21:38.24 | Dave_is_sex1 | chops: i haven't set one up |
| 21:38.26 | karsten | bilsta: READ. THE. LOGS. |
| 21:38.37 | chops | ma3x: Install a 32-bit chroot |
| 21:38.39 | bilsta | How can i read the logs, if i cant access the box ? |
| 21:38.39 | bilsta | ! |
| 21:38.46 | chops | ma3x: Or wait several months and start using gnash |
| 21:38.49 | bilsta | lol |
| 21:38.53 | karsten | bilsta: That, sir, is your little challenge for today. |
| 21:39.01 | ma3x | chops, will gnash be some kind of flash player? |
| 21:39.03 | enouf | Q. I'm trying to locate which exact process is responsible for (seemingly unnecessary) reads/writes to my vrey loud HDD, when i'm doing other tasks, such as just opening/viewing man pages .. can anyone recommend either a disk I/O tool? or should i try stracing? (but what to strace?), top and htop appear useless for this. I suspect something like "Famd" or even this sucka "/usr/bin/dirmngr --daemon --sh" ..whatcha think? |
| 21:39.13 | chops | ma3x: It's already some kind of flash player, a GPLed kind |
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| 21:39.13 | Dave_is_sex1 | chops: is there a way to find out the 'default route' then specify it? |
| 21:39.16 | karsten | bilsta: Could be a lot of things, but diagnosis w/o access is going to be difficult. |
| 21:39.22 | karsten | Dave_is_sex1: 'route -n' |
| 21:39.27 | karsten | Dave_is_sex1: gateway. |
| 21:39.34 | ma3x | chops, /me thinks it's not worth playing with chroot just for flash stuff. I can screw something up |
| 21:39.39 | chops | ma3x: Unfortunately it's not very complete yet :-(... youtube has just recently been seen to work in it when you compile with the right options and the moon is right |
| 21:39.44 | karsten | enouf: Hard to do. atop patched kernel might help. |
| 21:39.45 | Kronuz | I think I'm using alsa and esound working here then (I have alsa-base and alsa-utils installed, as well as esound stuff) |
| 21:39.52 | bilsta | i could reboot it tho, however i have stuff that is currently running, and is running, so i dont want to risk rebooting it, then cant get into it to restart those services |
| 21:39.58 | bilsta | just a rough idea would do :p |
| 21:40.03 | chops | ma3x: It won't really be production-ready for 6 mos-1 year, I think... but I could be wrong |
| 21:40.06 | enouf | karsten: ahh .. ok .. it appears to happen most when i use konsole as my xterm |
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| 21:40.16 | enouf | whcih i use all the time |
| 21:40.28 | karsten | enouf: One option is to kill processes one by one. |
| 21:40.31 | chops | ma3x: What is complete of it is in Debian and available in amd64 (AFAIK) |
| 21:40.37 | Kronuz | rts: but now what? :S |
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| 21:40.39 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.45 | enouf | was thinking perhaps .. right karsten .. exactly that ;-) |
| 21:40.49 | rts | Kronuz: is esound running (try ps) |
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| 21:41.12 | Dave_is_sex1 | karsten: well, i think we found the problem. that table splits the eth1 info over 2 lines (which is fine cos that works), but doesn't mention the wlan interface |
| 21:41.14 | chops | ma3x: Or start helping with multiarch. There are several unpleasant options available to you :-0 |
| 21:41.15 | chops | :-) |
| 21:41.20 | ma3x | chops, complete of what? |
| 21:41.26 | Kronuz | rts: it is not there (as esound) |
| 21:41.29 | rts | Kronuz: otherwise start esound in a terminal (you should hear a sound) and then open your flash pages |
| 21:41.35 | ma3x | chops, you mean start helping testing? |
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| 21:41.39 | chops | ma3x: What is complete of gnash is in Debian is what I was saying |
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| 21:41.47 | karsten | enouf: http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i386/PLD/RPMS/atop-1.6-2.i386.html |
| 21:42.06 | Kronuz | rts: is esound esd ? |
| 21:42.09 | rts | Kronuz: it's called "esd", I think... |
| 21:42.13 | Kronuz | 'cause I do have a esd running |
| 21:42.25 | Kronuz | "esd -nobeeps" |
| 21:42.28 | chops | ma3x: Probably getting a 32-bit chroot set up will be the least painful option available to you; I was just pointing out that there are efforts underway to make your situation work better than it currently does in Debian |
| 21:42.31 | Kronuz | it's running |
| 21:43.04 | karsten | enouf: better link: http://www.atconsultancy.nl/atop/ |
| 21:43.12 | enouf | karsten: thanks .. |
| 21:43.15 | ustunozgur | ma3x: did you see the link I posted? |
| 21:43.18 | Kronuz | rts: and the iceweaselrc file says: ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" |
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| 21:43.36 | rts | Kronuz: hrmpf, should be fine then... |
| 21:43.37 | keram | anyone know if this is bad? http://rafb.net/p/gfJd3b25.html |
| 21:43.38 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I'm seeing it now |
| 21:43.48 | rts | Kronuz: tried changing that? |
| 21:44.02 | Kronuz | weird... but it doesn't work |
| 21:44.02 | Kronuz | rts: to what? (nope, I haven't changed that) |
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| 21:44.28 | karsten | enouf: Can't tell you much other than it's not in stock kernels and we're thinking of using it here for profiling and troubleshooting but haven't got there yet. There's also the dtrace thing equivalent in Linux (dtrace is Sun's newish profiling tool). |
| 21:44.29 | J_P | enouf: thanks :-) |
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| 21:44.37 | enouf | karsten: if i use that, it would be best to just grab the source and compile and create a .deb and install? or try and mess with converting an rpm? <---(thinking not .. hehe) |
| 21:44.43 | Kronuz | rts: the content from the mplayer plugin is working with sound in iceweasel |
| 21:44.47 | Dave_is_sex1 | http://pastebin.ca/469741 ...so i need to add a line to this table that says that my default gateway (?) is the same as the ethernet gateway |
| 21:44.49 | enouf | J_P: welcome ;-) |
| 21:45.00 | karsten | enouf: I'd go sources and rebuild from a Debian kernel source package. |
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| 21:45.10 | karsten | enouf: Leave that in your grub config, boot it as needed. |
| 21:45.11 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I tried once something similar with instructions for ubuntu, it didn't work |
| 21:45.19 | enouf | karsten: ok gotcha .. thank you .. ahh i see |
| 21:45.28 | karsten | enouf: That's more-or-less the strategy we're thinking here (except it's a red, red, redhat world... |
| 21:45.35 | enouf | heh |
| 21:45.54 | karsten | Actually, there's a few of those among technical types. |
| 21:45.55 | rts | Kronuz: well... have you had a look at .xsession-errors for any hint? |
| 21:46.02 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: Those routes look okay to me; is it possible that 192.168.0.1 isn't a proper gateway or something? |
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| 21:46.13 | Lucian_bz | hello all again |
| 21:46.21 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 21:46.26 | Lucian_bz | thank you for "sudo" i test and all is wok |
| 21:46.28 | Lucian_bz | work |
| 21:46.34 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: What does /etc/networking/interfaces look like? |
| 21:46.38 | Lucian_bz | but i have another question |
| 21:46.39 | karsten | Mostly to slow him down. |
| 21:46.45 | karsten | Lucian_bz: 42 |
| 21:46.58 | karsten | Lucian_bz: We have no doubt. |
| 21:47.02 | Kronuz | rts: ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 21:47.08 | Kronuz | I have a bunch of those |
| 21:47.24 | Kronuz | dunno what it means tho' |
| 21:47.36 | Lucian_bz | for stop, start htb i set this on the sudoers file, but if i want to edit eth1-quos.conf , from apache, how is need to set the permision in sudoers? |
| 21:47.40 | ustunozgur | ma3x: well, they claim that it works. |
| 21:47.51 | rts | Kronuz: me neither, but I guess that's something to investigate... try Google? |
| 21:47.52 | Dave_is_sex1 | chops: empty apart from loopback |
| 21:48.02 | Kronuz | checking it right now |
| 21:48.03 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Carefully. |
| 21:48.13 | ma3x | ustunozgur, who? "You need to install gtk2.i386 using yum command:" |
| 21:48.15 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: How are you setting up your interface, then? |
| 21:48.18 | ma3x | is that for gentoo ? |
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| 21:48.34 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: Have you tried adding it to /etc/network/interfaces and saying 'ifup eth1', instead of whatever it is you're doing now? |
| 21:48.38 | karsten | !tell Lucian_bz about webmin |
| 21:48.48 | karsten | Lucian_bz: There are already enough really bad solutions in that department. |
| 21:48.48 | Lucian_bz | :) karsten |
| 21:48.53 | Lucian_bz | i know web min |
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| 21:49.05 | Lucian_bz | but is to much option, and i want my personal aplication |
| 21:49.07 | karsten | Lucian_bz: I didn't tell you about it because I think you should use it. |
| 21:49.21 | karsten | Lucian_bz: I think we've given you more help than you need. |
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| 21:49.43 | raf256 | my hw clock shows 21:50 (utc) - this is correct |
| 21:49.57 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Enjoy. |
| 21:50.14 | raf256 | but stiiiil most applications show the UTC time no matter what time zone or tzselect I use, wtf? |
| 21:50.22 | Kronuz | rts: brb |
| 21:50.22 | karsten | raf256: man sys2hc. |
| 21:50.24 | Lucian_bz | thank you karsten |
| 21:50.33 | karsten | Lucian_bz: Denada |
| 21:50.36 | raf256 | karsten: I think my system clock is ok as well |
| 21:50.40 | tuxxman | hello, i'm trying to set up a new kernel, and when i boot to it i get a kernnel panic saying i didnt supply a correct root= option (its the same as my workign kernel's, iono why it wouldnt work) and then it says it cannot boot to unknown device hd(3,1), but i only have 1 harddrive and 1 cdrom drive...how'd it get hd(3,1)??? |
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| 21:50.48 | Dave_is_sex1 | chops: no. i have not tried that. i don't know what ifup wlan0 would do. i think it's got more to do with the output of route -n. no? |
| 21:50.55 | Lucian_bz | bunt maybe other user from here know the sintax for set right for www-data to editthe file |
| 21:51.01 | karsten | raf256: HWclock is *not* used by apps. It sets system time at boot (prior to ntp<foo> firing off. |
| 21:51.04 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: Wait, you don't have routes for wlan0... |
| 21:51.23 | karsten | Lucian_bz: echo -e "#/bin/bash\nfalse" in a shell script. |
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| 21:51.28 | raf256 | tuxxman: if the boot line is identical to previous one then perhaps new kernl doesnt have builded in support for your hard drive / main board etc |
| 21:51.46 | enouf | karsten: is sys2hc a new one? .. i know about the hwclock --systohw and vice versa options |
| 21:52.03 | karsten | enouf: I'm probably misremembering. |
| 21:52.08 | enouf | hehe ;-) |
| 21:52.08 | raf256 | karsten: I belive my SYSTEM time is configured as well |
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| 21:52.21 | Dave_is_sex1 | chops: don't see to |
| 21:52.21 | Kronuz | rts: back |
| 21:52.22 | raf256 | how to print current system time (in UTC, disregarding time zones config) |
| 21:52.24 | yettenet | Hi there, I've got a sound problem - I have a laptop, and, when I plug in a stereo audio output, everything gets mute until I plug it out. Could anyone help me with this prob? |
| 21:52.25 | Dave_is_sex1 | *seem |
| 21:52.41 | Kronuz | rts: it seems the ALSA lib error in .xsession-errors is from the flash |
| 21:52.47 | karsten | raf256: tzconfig does what for you? |
| 21:52.47 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: If you're looking for why you aren't able to use your wlan0 interface |
| 21:52.52 | enouf | raf256: man hwclock .. but tzconfig, tzdata, etc should fix it |
| 21:52.54 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: That might be a good place to start :-) |
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| 21:52.58 | raf256 | karsten: fails me |
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| 21:53.02 | karsten | raf256: If you've changed that, soem daemons don't seem to cotton to the fact, though they should. |
| 21:53.03 | enouf | raf256: see these too tzconfig tzfile tzselect tzset |
| 21:53.06 | karsten | raf256: ?? |
| 21:53.08 | karsten | raf256: as root? |
| 21:53.11 | raf256 | enouf: Im trying tzconfig since last 2 hours |
| 21:53.13 | raf256 | karsten: yes |
| 21:53.18 | chops | Dave_is_sex1: I would advise configuring Debian for your interfaces and letting the Debian tools figure it out for you rather than trying to set things up by hand |
| 21:53.24 | karsten | raf256: Is / mounted ro? |
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| 21:53.38 | raf256 | karsten: well it "works" but still date shows incorrect time |
| 21:53.39 | iter | who's ready for a MTA war? let's say I have a large flatfile with a bunch of email addresses which my machine will accept email for, as well as a bunch of email addresses that I would like to forward each of them to. is postfix the best solution for this? I use qmail on my other box but am not sure it's worth the setup time for something pretty straightforward... |
| 21:53.47 | karsten | raf256: cat /proc/partitions. '/etc/mtab' (and hence /bin/mount) will be unreliable. |
| 21:53.51 | raf256 | ok ok let sort out this crazy mambo jumbo |
| 21:53.54 | karsten | raf256: set | trep TZ |
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| 21:54.00 | karsten | s/trep/grep/ |
| 21:54.04 | raf256 | linux really is so chaotic - this is a perfect example of it. |
| 21:54.28 | karsten | No, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation, we just ahven't found it. |
| 21:54.34 | raf256 | how the time is seen by applications? |
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| 21:55.00 | raf256 | 1. hwclock (proably in UTC) ---> 2. system time (in UTC) ---> 3. my time zone (say GMT+2) right? |
| 21:55.12 | Kronuz | how can one tell if the sound is using alsa or oss ? |
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| 21:55.25 | enouf | raf256: also tz was yanked out of libc6 IINM, between Sarge and Etch libc6 versions .. had to do with base-config? maybe |
| 21:55.29 | raf256 | so now it should be 1. 0 hour 2. 0 hour 3. 2 hour (assuming Im in europe gmt+2) is all this ok? |
| 21:55.34 | ustunozgur | I think your computer is lost in time. |
| 21:55.51 | raf256 | enouf: yes it broke like this recently afair after upgrade |
| 21:55.59 | karsten | raf256: applications report *system* time as determined by either system TZ or processes TZ value. |
| 21:56.01 | raf256 | am I correct in last 2 statements? |
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| 21:56.06 | enouf | raf256: so if your sources.list is screwy with various branches and shit, it might be your own fault ;-) |
| 21:56.17 | enouf | raf256: right ;-) |
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| 21:56.34 | raf256 | enouf: its not my fault stable to old to do some work I need so I have to mix distros |
| 21:56.36 | karsten | raf256: </proc/<PID>/environ tr '\000' '\n' | grep TZ |
| 21:56.42 | karsten | raf256: ... see if there's a TZ value set? |
| 21:56.45 | Kronuz | rts: lsmod doesn't say anything about alsa (I do have snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss loaded nonetheless) |
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| 21:56.48 | ustunozgur | ma3x: you don't need rpm's I think. You can use .tar.gz instead |
| 21:56.49 | karsten | raf256: Otherwise, restart the process in question. |
| 21:56.56 | raf256 | thanks, but WAIT please. hold on the horses |
| 21:56.56 | ma3x | ustunozgur, can you paste that link again? |
| 21:57.04 | yettenet | Heyhey... any suggestions to my problem? - When I plug in my stereo speaker, |
| 21:57.05 | ustunozgur | http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/#downloads |
| 21:57.06 | Kronuz | rts: does that mean I'm using oss and not alsa? |
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| 21:57.24 | enouf | yettenet: what happens when you try and adjust alsamixer? |
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| 21:57.34 | yettenet | enouf: Good question :P |
| 21:57.39 | raf256 | first, is my understanding correct? hwclock reads bios time at bootup (say 0:00) then it is stored in system clock (say 0:00) then application applyes TZ info and returns LOCAL time (say 2:00 in gmt+2) to user? |
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| 21:58.03 | ScribbleJ | Hello brilliant people. Just curiosity; why is killall now killall5 ? |
| 21:58.09 | Kronuz | enouf: if I open alsamixer it does show my sound card listed there |
| 21:58.29 | rts | Kronuz: the alsa modules are called snd_XXX |
| 21:58.31 | raf256 | karsten: is my understanding correct |
| 21:58.32 | iter | aha man newaliases |
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| 21:58.38 | yettenet | enouf: I see, it might help |
| 21:58.40 | Vasistha | ScribbleJ: hum. it isn't, on my system. What version of debian are you using? |
| 21:58.41 | raf256 | Kronuz: but sound is working? |
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| 21:58.46 | ScribbleJ | Vasistha, Etch |
| 21:58.47 | yettenet | enouf: Thanks :D |
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| 21:59.20 | ustunozgur | ma3x: but you need one i386, do you have another computer? |
| 21:59.22 | Kronuz | raf256: sound is working fine everywhere but in the flash content played in my iceweasel web browser |
| 21:59.34 | Dave_is_sex1 | what is the correct syntax for 'man route wlan0 192.168.0.1'? |
| 21:59.39 | Kronuz | it even works fine in the mplayer plugin in iceweasel |
| 21:59.44 | ma3x | ustunozgur, one what? version of flash? |
| 21:59.44 | raf256 | enouf: is my understanding correct? |
| 21:59.50 | enouf | Kronuz: erm .. maybe ps aux | grep alsa will show somethihng |
| 21:59.59 | enouf | yettenet: sure |
| 22:00.10 | enouf | raf256: catching up .. hang |
| 22:00.15 | Vasistha | ScribbleJ: interesting, me too ... I have /usr/bin/killall, and no killall5 .. but I would guess it's a good idea to give it a name different from other unices' killall command, which kills all processes, not just those with a given name |
| 22:00.16 | Kronuz | enouf: nope |
| 22:00.16 | ustunozgur | there is the plugin and there is the viewer. |
| 22:00.23 | Kronuz | nothing on that grep |
| 22:00.34 | ustunozgur | the viewer has to be compiled on i386 and copied to 64 bir machine. |
| 22:00.39 | Kronuz | alsamixer does control the volume and stuff alright |
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| 22:01.27 | enouf | meh .. |
| 22:01.32 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:01.46 | enouf | i know there's a way, but i'm brainfarting .. |
| 22:01.46 | x_link | Is there CPU-Z for Linux? Or anything like it? |
| 22:01.56 | azeem | what is CPU-Z? |
| 22:01.57 | enouf | an easy way too .. |
| 22:02.19 | ustunozgur | /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:02.20 | x_link | azeem: It shows your hardware, what you have etc. Monitoring. |
| 22:02.35 | raf256 | x_link: cpuid and hwinfo |
| 22:02.52 | raf256 | enouf: just say did I got it correct: |
| 22:02.56 | raf256 | first, is my understanding correct? hwclock reads bios time at bootup (say 0:00) then it is stored in system clock (say 0:00) then application applyes TZ info and returns LOCAL time (say 2:00 in gmt+2) to user? |
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| 22:02.59 | x_link | raf256: I don't find CPUID for Linux |
| 22:03.07 | enouf | x_link: closest likely are our hardware tools, like lshw, dmidecode, hwinfo, but lm_sensors aklso has a decode-dimms.pl script for many RAM settings viewing |
| 22:03.22 | x_link | enouf: I can't use lm-sensors. |
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| 22:03.27 | enouf | x_link: not sure how buggy it is though |
| 22:03.34 | enouf | oh well |
| 22:03.38 | karsten | ScribbleJ: It's not. |
| 22:03.42 | karsten | ScribbleJ: They're different. |
| 22:03.44 | x_link | enouf: Thanks anyway =) |
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| 22:04.02 | ustunozgur | x_link: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:04.17 | karsten | ScribbleJ: If you want to understand why, try running 'killall' on a Solaris system some time. Just make sure you've got clearance to do that from someone who knows why. |
| 22:04.21 | x_link | ustunozgur: I know.. but CPU Z shows everything in a window. |
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| 22:04.52 | enouf | raf256: do you also have a hwclock.sh in /home/username ? |
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| 22:04.52 | raf256 | no |
| 22:04.53 | x_link | ustunozgur: It shows, RAM, harddrive, CPU, gpu, temp, fans (rpm) etc |
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| 22:04.53 | karsten | ScribbleJ: Or you could stop confusing #debian with 'man'. |
| 22:05.41 | raf256 | enouf: can we first just sort out do I get correctly how the time is readed by application |
| 22:05.42 | linux2 | anyone know who to setup DHCP to work in conjunction with LTSP. I am trying to setup a computer to boot off of PXE into ltsp but it just simply isn't working. It gets an ip address and connects to the computer and says PXELINUX 1995 peter anvil and what not and then it trys to load PXELINUX.cfg/default but it just doesn't and I have no idea how to get it to do so. can anyone help me? |
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| 22:05.47 | ofir | hi |
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| 22:05.57 | enouf | raf256: i can't work through your understanding of it atm -- i don't fully understand it all myself yet .. to put it into simple terms |
| 22:05.57 | Vasistha | linux2: pardon me for asking, but how is that a debian question? |
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| 22:06.19 | krifur | is there a difference between get a kernel source on kernel.org and get it by apt-get source linux-image.x.y.z ? |
| 22:06.20 | Vasistha | CHodapp: probably bad tab completion? |
| 22:06.28 | ofir | I have a problem with marvell network on asus mobo. I see that asus has a driver for the LAN... but it is dated to JAN 2006.. so I wonder if this old driver is already in the etch? |
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| 22:06.43 | enouf | x_link: Conky is a nice applet that sits on desktop that shows all thse things, but it's not as detailed as cpuid AFAIK |
| 22:07.02 | enouf | x_link: apt-cache show conky |
| 22:07.11 | Vasistha | krifur: I believe there is a difference -- I think debian kernels have special debian patches applied, or something. Also, there's no point doing apt-get source linux-image ... rather, just do apt-get linux-source-x.y.z |
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| 22:07.37 | x_link | enouf: Thanks mate! I really appreicate it |
| 22:07.38 | krifur | Vasistha: yes but i want to recompil this kernel ? |
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| 22:07.45 | krifur | if* |
| 22:07.49 | rts | Kronuz: just to be sure who's outputting the stuff in .xsession-errors, can you do 'killall esd' and then restart 'esd' and see if it spits anything to the console? And then what happens if you play sth |
| 22:08.16 | ustunozgur | ma3x: i can send the viewer if you want |
| 22:08.17 | Kronuz | I just straced iceweasel |
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| 22:08.27 | karsten | raf256: I don't suppose you've rebooted your server since applying changes. Not that this should be necessary but it could rule out some isseus. |
| 22:08.32 | Kronuz | and there's a: open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) |
| 22:08.39 | karsten | Kronuz: Isn't that illegal in Arkansas? |
| 22:08.56 | raf256 | you see? LINUX *IS* CONFUSING! Even here noone understands fully how a simple thing like a system CLOCK works! |
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| 22:09.10 | enouf | raf256: stop bitching ;-p |
| 22:09.11 | ma3x | ustunozgur, the problem is that these instructions are for ubuntu and it requires me some versions of ia32 libs which are higher |
| 22:09.12 | raf256 | karsten: I did rebooted |
| 22:09.13 | karsten | raf256: We understand how it works. |
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| 22:09.19 | karsten | raf256: We don't understand your problem. |
| 22:09.24 | ma3x | ustunozgur, ok send it to me |
| 22:09.26 | karsten | raf256: Did you check environ as suggested? |
| 22:09.28 | raf256 | enouf: start -> bitching -> improve -> goto start |
| 22:09.30 | Vasistha | krifur: well, first we would ask you why you want to recompile the kernel; next -- I believe that should give you the same kernel to compile! |
| 22:09.38 | ma3x | ustunozgur, do you have it installed on debian box? |
| 22:09.43 | enouf | raf256: i'm going to BEEP smite you soon ;-) |
| 22:09.43 | raf256 | karsten: so how does it work? like this? |
| 22:09.45 | karsten | raf256: .. and what specific processes are reporting the wrong timezone? |
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| 22:09.48 | krifur | Vasistha: i ask because i know thaht the kernel dwld with apt-get works everytime on my debian so if i want to add something on this kernel it s more simple to do an apt get source linux-image.x.y.z and change some settings , or if i dwld from kernel.org i have full option to fill! |
| 22:09.50 | raf256 | .... first, is my understanding correct? hwclock reads bios time at bootup (say 0:00) then it is stored in system clock (say 0:00) then application applyes TZ info and returns LOCAL time (say 2:00 in gmt+2) to user? |
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| 22:10.12 | karsten | raf256: Pretty close. |
| 22:10.16 | ustunozgur | ma3x: mine is i386 |
| 22:10.27 | ma3x | ustunozgur, it wont install on 64 platform |
| 22:10.40 | cilkay | Hello. What is the path to Etch updates at http://ftp.us.debian.org/ ? |
| 22:10.41 | raf256 | karsten: where is the difference |
| 22:10.43 | karsten | raf256: Most of the time you'll have an ntpd daemon or similar running which will correct *system* (but not hw) clock based on one or more networked timeservers. |
| 22:10.46 | rts | Kronuz: sudo lsof | grep /dev/snd/pcm |
| 22:10.47 | Vasistha | krifur: why would you want to download from kernel.org? And thus, why is this an issue? |
| 22:10.48 | Kronuz | rts: it doesn't spit anything to the console |
| 22:10.48 | x_link | enouf: The lettera are to small, can barly see anything at all |
| 22:10.49 | krifur | Vasistha: i want to add the xen support on it |
| 22:10.51 | karsten | raf256: Patience, grasshopper. |
| 22:11.00 | ustunozgur | ./configure && make ??? |
| 22:11.08 | Vasistha | krifur: try one of the debian packaged xen kernels |
| 22:11.09 | x_link | enouf: + some of it goes under my taskbar so I can't see everything. |
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| 22:11.29 | cilkay | krifur: I'm sure there are already Xen kernels for Debian. |
| 22:11.32 | raf256 | karsten: date, konversation (kde irc client), kalarm, but correct time is reported by the clock in kde taskbar |
| 22:11.45 | enouf | x_link: you'll work it out .. nit the docs ;-) |
| 22:11.48 | krifur | Vasistha: already try but fail :/ so i start trying recompil by myself but i just found patch for 2.6.16 or older one :/ |
| 22:11.49 | enouf | erm hit* |
| 22:11.51 | karsten | raf256: Otherwise: apps report time using system clock and applying either the system or local environment zone. So you could have a server located in Washington, DC, with system time set to same, but used by people in SF, CA, Dehli, India, and Sydney, AU, all setting TZ in their user init scripts. |
| 22:12.01 | x_link | Does all config. files go to /etc? |
| 22:12.06 | karsten | raf256: Check environment for the processes in question. |
| 22:12.18 | enouf | x_link: not really .. depends |
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| 22:12.24 | karsten | raf256: Check also your KDE control center for locale. You can specify it seperately there. |
| 22:12.25 | Vasistha | krifur: hum, linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 didn't work for you, huh? |
| 22:12.26 | x_link | enouf: Okej. |
| 22:12.27 | ustunozgur | ma3x : what is the error? |
| 22:12.30 | karsten | raf256: ... and that may well be your problem. |
| 22:12.35 | krifur | Vasistha: yes o_O |
| 22:12.49 | krifur | Vasistha: but i m a kind a newbie on xen |
| 22:12.50 | Vasistha | krifur: (or whichever is most appropriate... -amd64, -vserver, etc) |
| 22:13.02 | enouf | raf256: KDE has it's whole own mechanisms for date/time/clock and shit IIRC |
| 22:13.05 | cilkay | Can someone please paste the line for Etch updates from their /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:13.09 | krifur | Vasistha: i try lot of things ... |
| 22:13.11 | karsten | raf256: Last time I'll ask or respond failing a specific answer: what is TZ set to in /proc/<PID>/environ for those processes? |
| 22:13.14 | Kronuz | is esd started in a per user basis? |
| 22:13.31 | karsten | raf256: Um, having stated your problem clearly in the first place would have helped a lot. |
| 22:13.33 | Vasistha | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:13.36 | karsten | !tell raf256 about smart questions. |
| 22:13.40 | Vasistha | cilkay: ^^^ |
| 22:13.41 | raf256 | karsten: I set it there correcyly, didnt helped |
| 22:13.44 | krifur | Vasistha: i boot on this kernel then it reboot very quicly |
| 22:13.44 | rts | Kronuz: do you have an .asoundrc? I was thinking of something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=147359 |
| 22:13.47 | cilkay | Vasistha: thank you |
| 22:13.54 | karsten | raf256: I'm waiting for a different answer. |
| 22:13.56 | raf256 | yesus |
| 22:13.59 | Vasistha | cilkay: that's just for security updates, of course |
| 22:14.09 | enouf | x_link: /usr/share/doc/<appname> usually has some docs, plus naturally the man pages .. i use dlocate <keyword> and dpkg -L <pkg> to find stuff from packages many times |
| 22:14.09 | krifur | i try to add a initrd , dont work either |
| 22:14.11 | Kronuz | rts: nope, it's not there at my home directory |
| 22:14.11 | cilkay | Vasistha: what about for all the others? |
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| 22:14.21 | krifur | ok i going to try again ^^ |
| 22:14.25 | karsten | raf256: So it's just KDE apps? |
| 22:14.26 | raf256 | "help help this time is so confusing I want to goBBEEEEEEEEEEPck to windoBEEEEEEEP" ? |
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| 22:14.34 | raf256 | karsten: no, also command line "date" |
| 22:14.40 | Vasistha | krifur: well, is it producing any logs that we can examine? |
| 22:14.47 | x_link | enouf: Alright mate! |
| 22:14.53 | rts | Kronuz: I think esd is started per user with an X-session |
| 22:14.54 | w00ka | raf256: what's your problem? |
| 22:15.05 | krifur | i going to test again and i will come back here if it fails, thx you |
| 22:15.05 | raf256 | woo, boobies |
| 22:15.06 | enouf | x_link: running updatedb too, can help you use locate <keyword>, if you recently installed, but it's i/o intensive and that's why i <3 dlocate |
| 22:15.15 | raf256 | what is HS ? |
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| 22:15.33 | Kronuz | brb... it seems I can't start iceweasel anymore |
| 22:15.33 | x_link | enouf: I didn't understand muchof that last thing =) |
| 22:15.36 | raf256 | w00ka: most applications show incorrect time, like if I would be in GMT+0 not GMT+2 time zone |
| 22:15.37 | Vasistha | cilkay: well, my sources are convenient for me, as they are geographically close to where I live (in Los Angeles) ... why don't you pastebin your sources.list and we can make a recommendation to you of how to fix it. |
| 22:15.37 | Kronuz | (I'll restart my session) |
| 22:15.46 | enouf | x_link: man updatedb, man locate |
| 22:15.50 | enouf | x_link: ;-) |
| 22:16.02 | karsten | raf256: You've checked /proc/<PID>/environ? |
| 22:16.04 | ma3x | ustunozgur, http://paste.debian.net/27126 |
| 22:16.12 | jazbo2185 | Is there any way I can make it so when I click an .iso in konqueror it mounts it and opens up so I can browse? |
| 22:16.20 | karsten | raf256: paste test and output in 30s or be /ignored. |
| 22:16.20 | mark_1 | hi all, I need to mount a partition (ext3) with an umask of 000. How can I do this? I tried in /etc/fstab: UUID=96325d3c-52fb-4ffd-843e-0123a5d00a3e /serverext3defaults,umask=022 0 2 but it doesn' work. |
| 22:16.26 | w00ka | raf256: name one? |
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| 22:16.35 | raf256 | w00ka: command line "date" |
| 22:16.42 | karsten | mark_1: You can't. |
| 22:16.45 | Kronuz | I can't start iceweasel now :P |
| 22:16.51 | Kronuz | it says it's already running :P |
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| 22:16.59 | x_link | enouf: Alright |
| 22:17.16 | mark_1 | karsten: shit. what can I do? |
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| 22:17.22 | karsten | mark_1: umask applies only to filesystems without Linux permission symantics (eg: vfat, msdos). Otherwise you'd set a process umask via environment. |
| 22:17.27 | enouf | Kronuz: kill it |
| 22:17.32 | Kronuz | I already did |
| 22:17.34 | karsten | mark_1: man mount. |
| 22:17.42 | cilkay | Kronuz: probably a stale lock file |
| 22:17.42 | Kronuz | it seems there must be a locking file |
| 22:17.43 | w00ka | raf256: did u try tzselect? |
| 22:17.45 | amphi | Kronuz: or you may have a stale lock |
| 22:17.47 | enouf | Kronuz: pkill iceweasel , or find it's PID and kill it |
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| 22:18.09 | raf256 | yes I did |
| 22:18.22 | ustunozgur | ma3x: so? |
| 22:18.24 | raf256 | tzselect shows it correctly, but then back to date - date again shows it wrong |
| 22:18.38 | Kronuz | enouf: yep, that worked :) |
| 22:18.42 | enouf | Kronuz: must kill parent, maybe init inherited it now .. and you're SOL |
| 22:18.46 | enouf | oh .. heh |
| 22:18.49 | Vasistha | raf256: you might need to restart X in order for the settings to take effect. To test, go to a virtual terminal and do a fresh login. |
| 22:18.57 | amphi | Kronuz: look in ~/.mozilla/firefox/hferqroegfgf or wherever |
| 22:18.58 | karsten | Kronuz: Note that if you pop a lockfile in the microwave for 10 seconds with a few drops of lemon it should freshen right up. |
| 22:19.06 | mark_1 | Karsten: my problem is photoshop. If I sava a file with it from a MacOSX Client Photoshop cannot change it anymore, because of the permissions |
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| 22:19.15 | raf256 | oh wait |
| 22:19.15 | ustunozgur | ma3x: paste ends at line 22 |
| 22:19.17 | raf256 | I know |
| 22:19.18 | mark_1 | I use nfs |
| 22:19.20 | Kronuz | it worked by killing the firefox-bin |
| 22:19.21 | w00ka | raf256: try to play with hwclock |
| 22:19.22 | karsten | mark_1: man chmod |
| 22:19.26 | enouf | haha @ karsten .. stop! ou're making me hungry! |
| 22:19.31 | raf256 | I have to manually do: TZ='Europe/Warsaw'; export TZ after tzselect to have it work! |
| 22:19.33 | Kronuz | anyway... I still don't have sound in the flash content :( |
| 22:19.36 | raf256 | it works \o/ |
| 22:19.37 | Vasistha | mark_1: sounds like the problem is with the mac os x client's umask |
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| 22:19.47 | raf256 | but now, how to have it system-wide configured? |
| 22:20.30 | enouf | raf256: /etc/profile and your ~/.bash_profile .. not to mention /root/.profile |
| 22:20.54 | ma3x | ustunozgur, so it says if I upgrade it can be risky to the system |
| 22:20.55 | enouf | raf256: maybe even /etc/bash.bacshrc ? .. hrm |
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| 22:21.03 | Vasistha | !dotfiles |
| 22:21.03 | dpkg | i guess dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 22:21.07 | ma3x | ie going definitively from etch -> sid |
| 22:21.13 | enouf | erm /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 22:21.18 | Vasistha | enouf, raf256 ^^^ read about dotfiles |
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| 22:21.21 | cilkay | Vasistha: Here is my sources.list http://dpaste.com/9570/ |
| 22:21.42 | mark_1 | Vasistha: I squash all clients to one user. The new file belongs to this user with the right permissions. But somehow Photoshop thinks it is not this user it thinks it is the user from the MacOSX. All other Programms don't have that problem |
| 22:21.48 | enouf | Vasistha: later on ;-) .. i know my .bash_profile helps me ;-) |
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| 22:22.04 | ustunozgur | ma3x: I see. But you are using .deb right. Try .tar.gz |
| 22:22.22 | enouf | Vasistha: thanks though .. i forget about that one sometimes |
| 22:22.25 | ustunozgur | and try to compile. |
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| 22:22.38 | raf256 | enouf: and not by hand? like some dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 22:22.41 | ustunozgur | you mustn't remove util-linux though. |
| 22:22.57 | mark_1 | Is it possible without chmod to give all users the right to change a file? |
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| 22:23.12 | ustunozgur | ma3x: just try the usual compile and make stuff. |
| 22:23.34 | Vasistha | mark_1: well, you can also play with sticky dirs and group settings ... but you'll still have the problem if a user is using 022 umask |
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| 22:23.35 | cilkay | mark_1: put them in the same group and give the group rw privileges |
| 22:23.37 | enouf | raf256: export VAR? or VAR= .. i do that by hand ... if i want it to stick all the time |
| 22:23.37 | w00ka | mark_1: chgrp (: |
| 22:24.13 | Vasistha | mark_1: if you can figure out how to change the mac user's umask, that'll probably be the best solution |
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| 22:24.25 | enouf | raf256: install configure-debian pkg .. pretty sweet for finding all those that a dpkg-reconfigure works on |
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| 22:25.24 | mark_1 | this sucks, all programms work fine. Photoshop creats the files but cannot change them |
| 22:25.34 | marmoset | Hi, I've got a server with a fresh etch install, it's got a couple 3ware cards in it (one 8006, 2 9500s), and when we reboot it, sometimes the 8006 is the first scsi seen, sometimes not. This changes around the drive order, which isn't ideal. What's the "official"-ish way to fix this so that the 8006 is always seen first? |
| 22:25.38 | karsten | mark_1: What others have suggested. Another option would be to version control the file, work with it out of a repro, and deal with it locally. |
| 22:25.50 | Vasistha | mark_1: maybe you should ask in a mac channel, since this is essentially a mac os x problem? |
| 22:25.51 | raf256 | enouf: hwo wabout.. base-tools? base-system? |
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| 22:26.05 | ma3x | ustunozgur, where's the tar.gz? |
| 22:26.06 | karsten | marmoset: ethtool, or a few other places I'm vaguely familair with. |
| 22:26.12 | enouf | raf256: huh? |
| 22:26.26 | ustunozgur | ma3x: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/files/nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.4.tar.bz2 |
| 22:26.31 | karsten | marmoset: Doh! storage not network. |
| 22:26.37 | mark_1 | Vasistha: that's true. I tought I could umask this partition |
| 22:26.40 | Dave_is_sexy | guys i'm very stuck on the route command. i'd just liek to add a default route for my wlan. but the man route command is pretty unhelpful |
| 22:26.43 | marmoset | karsten: ah, yeah, was a little confused there for a sec :) |
| 22:26.47 | karsten | marmoset: Um. Good question. module load order can make a difference. |
| 22:26.59 | marmoset | daa: route add <IP> default gw |
| 22:27.01 | mark_1 | thank you all for your help |
| 22:27.06 | Vasistha | mark_1: another solution would be to make is a samba share instead of nfs |
| 22:27.07 | war | Something in my new installation (besides logrotate) is rotating my logs? What could it be? Using testing+x86_64 |
| 22:27.10 | enouf | marmoset: that and/or udev rules |
| 22:27.26 | war | and its changing the permissions too |
| 22:27.26 | enouf | marmoset: or initrd/initramfs rolling |
| 22:27.26 | marmoset | er, Dave_is_sexy: route add <IP> default gw |
| 22:27.28 | karsten | war: How do you know it's not logrotate? |
| 22:27.42 | ma3x | ustunozgur, ma3x@ma3x:~/nspluginwrapper-0.9.91.4$ ./configure |
| 22:27.42 | ma3x | pkg-config not found |
| 22:27.52 | war | karsten: because the cron/script is commented out |
| 22:27.59 | mark_1 | Vasistha: I could test, but often there is a problem with the ressource forks from MacOsX |
| 22:28.09 | Dave_is_sexy | marmoset: but how do i say 'for wlan0'? |
| 22:28.09 | karsten | war: /etc/logrotate.d/ as well? |
| 22:28.15 | ustunozgur | ma3x: apt-get install pkgconfig |
| 22:28.24 | war | yeah- btw |
| 22:28.27 | marmoset | Dave_is_sexy: you only want one default gateway tho |
| 22:28.28 | war | LOGROTATE(8) System Administratorâs Manual LOGROTATE(8) |
| 22:28.30 | karsten | war: Some utilities (postgresql comes to mind) do their own rotation (stupid stupid stupid). |
| 22:28.32 | war | UTF8 :( |
| 22:28.35 | ustunozgur | basically you will need gtk-dev and header files too. |
| 22:28.36 | war | need to export LANG=c |
| 22:28.38 | war | karsten: ah |
| 22:28.58 | karsten | WTF8. |
| 22:29.00 | enouf | war anacron? .. do you dual boot? |
| 22:29.04 | war | no dual boot |
| 22:29.09 | enouf | oh .. nm |
| 22:29.19 | Dave_is_sexy | well my ethernet and wlan router is the same router. eth0 works, wlano does not. |
| 22:29.27 | Kronuz | I guess I won't be able to make flash sound work :( |
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| 22:29.33 | marmoset | enouf: I'd guess it'd have to be initram stuff, since it's the boot drive, and udev would come after something's already been mounted? |
| 22:29.40 | Dave_is_sexy | the gateway is already listed for eth0 |
| 22:29.50 | ma3x | ustunozgur, GLIB 2.0 environment not found |
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| 22:29.59 | marmoset | Dave_is_sexy: are you trying to make it so nothing goes over wlan, or only certain IP ranges, or ? |
| 22:30.01 | enouf | war: it'll run processes that were scheduled to be run, that never did, because some b0z0 uses xpoop as a dual boot sit |
| 22:30.10 | ma3x | ustunozgur, libglib2.0-0 ? |
| 22:30.16 | war | enouf: pia ;[ |
| 22:30.18 | war | I dotn use it though |
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| 22:30.24 | enouf | marmoset: erm.. depending upon the acrtual symptoms |
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| 22:30.27 | Dave_is_sexy | marmoset: i'd just like to be able to do anything with wlan. there's no connection |
| 22:30.31 | ustunozgur | yes. |
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| 22:31.00 | enouf | marmoset: are the drives being assigned differnet hardware nodes? like /dev/sda changes to /dev/sdb and such? |
| 22:31.10 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I have it already installed |
| 22:31.12 | ustunozgur | ma3x: you might need also libglib2.0-dev |
| 22:31.18 | ma3x | yeah let me try that |
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| 22:31.31 | enouf | marmoset: /etc/fstab LABELs and assigning UUIDs to each would striaghten that out |
| 22:31.57 | ma3x | ustunozgur, now GTK+ 2.0 environment not found :) |
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| 22:32.14 | ma3x | ustunozgur, what do you think of my system? I debfostered a lot!! |
| 22:32.32 | tvynr | Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might track down a kernel memory leak on a laptop? |
| 22:32.55 | tvynr | Not sure what's going on, but I don't think a bunch of ttys and a pair of SSH sessions are eating 224M. |
| 22:33.05 | ustunozgur | ma3x: well, when you first compile programs, you generally need those header files. |
| 22:33.20 | ma3x | ustunozgur, now libgtk2.0-dev ? |
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| 22:33.29 | ustunozgur | probably. |
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| 22:33.40 | pickcoder | tvynr: what does top say about it.. "M" sorts by memory usage |
| 22:33.40 | ma3x | ustunozgur, now X11 environment not found |
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| 22:33.50 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how the package is called for displaying cpu usage and apache status on wallpaper ? |
| 22:33.56 | tvynr | pickcoder: Most expensive thing showing in top is bash at 1.3% MEM. |
| 22:33.56 | w00ka | Dave_is_sexy: #route add default gw <ip_address> wlan0 |
| 22:33.56 | w00ka | of course, route to gw must be on the same subnet as wlan0 interface.. |
| 22:33.59 | rocketmagnet | i can't remember the name of this type of app |
| 22:34.04 | ustunozgur | libx11-dev |
| 22:34.23 | ma3x | ustunozgur, libx11-dev is already the newest version. |
| 22:34.28 | pickcoder | tvynr: then don't worry about it... the kernel keeps memory available for things like disk buffering |
| 22:34.49 | pickcoder | tvynr: it will be released to an application if it needs it |
| 22:35.06 | ustunozgur | try x11proto-core-dev |
| 22:35.14 | tvynr | pickcoder: Top's saying that only about 4M is being used for buffers. And it's not being released; the laptop was swapping its brains out until I shut down a bunch of progs. |
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| 22:35.36 | marmoset | enouf: yes, the array on the 8006 goes from being sda to sdc |
| 22:35.42 | tvynr | pickcoder: Previously, I had installed the ATI vendor driver blob, but I uninstalled it due to this memory problem. |
| 22:35.59 | tvynr | pickcoder: It takes about four days for the laptop to degrade to this point; it runs okay for a while. |
| 22:36.12 | tvynr | pickcoder: But it's definitely a degrading problem... after five days it becomes totally unusable. |
| 22:36.23 | pickcoder | tvynr: what release of Debian |
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| 22:36.26 | Dave_is_sexy | debian has a really weird habbit of randomly closing windows and the test cursor often jumps to random places without warning. this is unique to me isn't it? |
| 22:36.26 | Vasistha | tvynr: well, some web browsers are known to eat memory over time |
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| 22:36.31 | Dave_is_sexy | *text |
| 22:36.32 | todd3834 | i have 2 users that have ftp access to a folder. one is supposed to have read/write access and one is only supposed to have write access. I have been reading the man and googling chmod and chown, I am kind of lost. How can I make it so one of the useres only has write access and not read? |
| 22:36.32 | tvynr | pickcoder: Currently running testing. |
| 22:36.48 | enouf | marmoset: that would be a udev rules thing |
| 22:36.52 | pickcoder | tvynr: are you running KDE? |
| 22:36.53 | tvynr | Vasistha: No X session running atm and top is claiming 225M are allocated. |
| 22:36.56 | tvynr | pickcoder: Yep. |
| 22:37.09 | Vasistha | Dave_is_sexy: sounds like a mouse driver issue? |
| 22:37.13 | pickcoder | it could be an applet |
| 22:37.19 | enouf | marmoset: see /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 22:37.20 | pickcoder | do you have any toys running on the applet bar? |
| 22:37.22 | tvynr | pickcoder: After a reboot, everything (one running KDE session over X, six tty logins, browsers, etc.) eats about 130M. |
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| 22:37.35 | tvynr | pickcoder: Oh, it's not running KDE *right now*. |
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| 22:37.43 | tvynr | pickcoder: Just a bunch of terminal logins and my SSH session. |
| 22:37.44 | marmoset | enouf: ok, cool, will give that a try, thanks |
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| 22:37.51 | Dave_is_sexy | vasistha: perhaps. but it's a normal default driver, and i'm not touching the mouse |
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| 22:38.03 | ma3x | ustunozgur, x11proto-core-dev is already the newest version. |
| 22:38.03 | enouf | adhd? |
| 22:38.29 | rts | Kronuz: have a look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA_Complete_%28includes_dmix%29#Intro_to_dmix |
| 22:38.30 | ustunozgur | what is the exact message? |
| 22:38.33 | rts | I think it could help |
| 22:38.40 | pickcoder | tvynr: stop kdm from loading temp and reboot it. If it eats up memory like that from a non-GUI config then start eliminating device modules one at a time until it stops causing problems |
| 22:38.46 | rts | they also have stuff on Mozilla and flash further down |
| 22:38.53 | xuser | What do i need to play .flv in mplayer? |
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| 22:38.57 | tvynr | pickcoder: Hrm. No way of tracking which module is allocating what, then? |
| 22:39.04 | ma3x | ustunozgur, X11 environment not found |
| 22:39.21 | enouf | !tell x_link -about dmm |
| 22:39.31 | enouf | !tell xuser -about dmm |
| 22:39.34 | pickcoder | tvynr: maybe.. I have never had a module slowly eat up memory so I wouldn't know how to track it except kernel debugging logs |
| 22:39.36 | enouf | apologies x_link |
| 22:39.43 | pickcoder | you'll have to recompile your kernel with debugging enabled |
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| 22:40.01 | x_link | enouf: Don't let it be a second time! |
| 22:40.09 | ustunozgur | libx11-data ? |
| 22:40.13 | x_link | enouf: heheeh =) |
| 22:40.22 | xuser | enouf: I already install w32codecs |
| 22:40.24 | enouf | !pal xuser |
| 22:40.29 | enouf | bah!!!! |
| 22:40.43 | enouf | you friggin X mogoloids you |
| 22:40.44 | ma3x | ustunozgur, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22X11+environment+not+found%22&btnG=Search |
| 22:40.45 | tvynr | pickcoder: 'cause I have a very strong impression that it's related to the video or something. I installed this laptop with Debian Etch and then dist-upgraded to testing. I did pretty much the exact same thing on a number of machines (both laptop and not) before and the only difference I can pin down is the video card. |
| 22:40.46 | cilkay | My sources.list is here: http://dpaste.com/9570/ Can anyone suggest updates sources besides the one that I have for security? Also, why is it so hard to find this information on the Debian site? I see installation sources but there doesn't seem to be anything for updates. |
| 22:40.48 | azeem | enouf: uh? |
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| 22:40.57 | ma3x | ustunozgur, libx11-data is already the newest version. |
| 22:41.05 | enouf | tab completion issues azeem |
| 22:41.07 | tvynr | pickcoder: Don't suppose that there's a debugging-enabled stock kernel. :-P |
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| 22:41.16 | pickcoder | tvynr: that only matters if it's X then |
| 22:41.17 | azeem | enouf: then don't harrass other people with your problems |
| 22:41.29 | enouf | !aolify azeem |
| 22:41.29 | rts | cilkay: because they are the same |
| 22:41.44 | raf256 | enouf: ... |
| 22:41.47 | papaki | has anyone here used debian on a mission-critical system? |
| 22:41.47 | pickcoder | if you don't run X for a few days then it shouldn't eat up memory, if it's the X-vid server |
| 22:41.56 | azeem | enouf: are you a bit uncooperative tonight? |
| 22:42.02 | raf256 | care to tell karsten that we found the problem (and btw no cat /proc/pid/ was needed to do so) |
| 22:42.16 | azeem | enouf: babbling about "mogoloids" when you tab-miss is ehm... offensive |
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| 22:42.27 | raf256 | enouf: you can harrase me with your problem |
| 22:42.37 | tvynr | pickcoder: I guess one thing that would help is finding some way to detect the leak a little bit more readily so we can test these things. Like I said, it takes four days to start getting bad. Any idea how we can accelerate this process short of pulling RAM from the box? Or detect it as it occurs? |
| 22:42.47 | cilkay | rts: are all installation repositories capable of providing updates? |
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| 22:43.55 | azeem | cilkay: there are no "update sources" |
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| 22:43.58 | rts | cilkay: all repositories are regularly synced. Security updates go through security.debian.org, you've got that. Every few months there is a maintenance release, and that goes through the regular repositories and mirrors |
| 22:43.59 | pickcoder | tvynr: reducing the amount of RAM will make it start swapping sooner, but that may not help you determine what the problem is |
| 22:44.02 | ustunozgur | ma3x: locate x11.pc |
| 22:44.06 | azeem | cilkay: there is volatile and backports for stable though |
| 22:44.09 | stoned | good freakin evening guys |
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| 22:44.24 | tvynr | pickcoder: 'kay. Hrm. Thanks for the assistance. Something tells me this isn't going to be fun. |
| 22:44.26 | pickcoder | tvynr: start with a process of elimination.. don't run X and see if it happens |
| 22:44.34 | rts | cilkay: there generally is no differentiation between "installation" and "update" repositories in Debian |
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| 22:44.40 | pickcoder | if it does, then you may have a daemon or module memory leak |
| 22:45.07 | Dave_is_sexy | can someone tell me why aptitude had to build a tag database all the time? is that the database of dependencies, or is it a keyword database?? |
| 22:45.07 | ma3x | ustunozgur, libx11-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/x11.pc |
| 22:45.10 | pickcoder | if that's the case then kernel debugging may help |
| 22:45.14 | cilkay | rts: so I don't have to explicitly specify deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free ? |
| 22:45.25 | ma3x | /usr/lib/pkgconfig/x11.pc |
| 22:45.29 | tvynr | pickcoder: To ensure that I'm sane, I'm just going to verify... if it's some kind of memory leak from a daemon, I can just run each thing in /etc/init.d with restart and one of them (the one responsible) will clear it up, yes? |
| 22:45.37 | azeem | cilkay: that repository is mostly empty anyway |
| 22:45.44 | azeem | eh wait |
| 22:45.45 | tvynr | pickcoder: Meaning that I can then pin it on that daemon? |
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| 22:45.46 | azeem | cilkay: yes, you do |
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| 22:45.58 | ustunozgur | ma3x: try xorg-dev |
| 22:45.59 | rts | cilkay: you do! that's where you get the security updates from before the next minor release |
| 22:46.01 | azeem | cilkay: that's the security repository though, not what other's would call "update" |
| 22:46.09 | tvynr | pickcoder: Also, if it were anything in user space, wouldn't it be showing in top? |
| 22:46.13 | enouf | raf256: i thikn maybe it's time to bring up your BEEP complaint again |
| 22:46.20 | pickcoder | tvynr: yes, but you should verify it by reviewing ps as well to make sure it really stopped. |
| 22:46.37 | pickcoder | tvynr: a virus can hide itself by removing entries from /proc/ |
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| 22:47.09 | rts | cilkay: your sources.list is okay, you could leave out the deb-src if you're not going to look at code... |
| 22:47.13 | cilkay | rts, azeem, thank you both. It's a little clearer now. |
| 22:47.18 | cilkay | rts: I occasionally do |
| 22:47.24 | tvynr | pickcoder: Heh... oh my. This machine was freshly installed two weeks ago and isn't really being used outside of my network... |
| 22:47.41 | derchris | there is a way to delete packages + config files with apt, but I can't remember how. anyone knows ? |
| 22:47.51 | rts | cilkay: I mean doing sth like "apt-get source ...." |
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| 22:48.06 | ustunozgur | derchris: apt-get clean |
| 22:48.16 | pickcoder | tvynr: it's not exposed to the Internet? |
| 22:48.18 | Wyzard | derchris: Do you mean --purge? |
| 22:48.19 | tvynr | pickcoder: Now I'm nervous. :-P I'll try the daemons. Is there some way to get an authoritative PID listing from the kernel? AFAIK, ps just reads /proc. |
| 22:48.20 | rts | derchris: apt-get remove --purge PACKAGE |
| 22:48.20 | ma3x | ustunozgur, bingo! |
| 22:48.21 | enouf | raf256: since disruptive naziesque controlling b0z0s like to take things out of context entirely.. with which to yield their disgraceful use of power over those happy in their solitude ;-) |
| 22:48.34 | Kronuz | rts: I'm trying that, but I'll have to install something to have the command aoss |
| 22:48.42 | tvynr | pickcoder: Oh, it's exposed, yes. But behind my Etch firewall, no forwarded ports, and my assumption was that my network was clean. |
| 22:48.43 | derchris | ahh purge was is |
| 22:48.43 | krifur | i m back :], so the error for xen is: Panic on CPU 0 could not setup Dom0 guest OS, my grubhttp://paste.debian.net/27129 is there |
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| 22:48.45 | derchris | thanks |
| 22:48.52 | rts | Kronuz: perhaps alsa-utils? |
| 22:48.55 | azeem | enouf: please rant in #debian-offtopic |
| 22:48.59 | pickcoder | tvynr: the only safe box is an unplugged box |
| 22:49.05 | ma3x | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
| 22:49.05 | ma3x | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 22:49.05 | ma3x | make: *** [libxpcom.so] Error 1 |
| 22:49.15 | Kronuz | alsa-oss it seems |
| 22:49.19 | Wyzard | ma3x: that's in the libc6-dev package |
| 22:49.23 | Wyzard | ma3x: apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:49.37 | pickcoder | chkrootkit and rkhunter are two things I never go without |
| 22:49.39 | ma3x | Wyzard, build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 22:49.52 | Wyzard | ma3x: then libc6-dev should be installed already |
| 22:49.54 | ma3x | libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 22:49.56 | ma3x | yes |
| 22:49.58 | tvynr | pickcoder: I'll check rkhunter out. It'll also get a chkrootkit. |
| 22:50.09 | azeem | ma3x: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:50.13 | Kronuz | rts: weird... I don't understand why alsa-oss... wasn't alsa and oss two different things? :P |
| 22:50.21 | ma3x | azeem, compile something |
| 22:50.25 | Wyzard | ma3x: oh, hang on, -lc shouldn't need libc6-dev, that's just the headers (like stdio.h, etc.) |
| 22:50.33 | tvynr | pickcoder: Thanks again for the help. I was hoping it was the stupid ATI driver. Right now, though, I *think* I'm running an untainted kernel. |
| 22:50.42 | Wyzard | ma3x: Do you have any weird "-L" options? |
| 22:50.43 | rts | Kronuz: well, alsa can do alsa-oss for compatibility... |
| 22:50.44 | azeem | Wyzard: you need the -dev libs for linking as well |
| 22:50.51 | pickcoder | tvynr: install a new kernel package from the official repos |
| 22:50.56 | azeem | ma3x: compile something specific? Like some 32bit app on amd64 or so? |
| 22:51.02 | Kronuz | and firefox needs oss or what? |
| 22:51.02 | rts | Kronuz: but I wonder if that's really the problem... |
| 22:51.02 | ma3x | azeem, yup! |
| 22:51.06 | azeem | ma3x: ... |
| 22:51.10 | ma3x | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc |
| 22:51.11 | Wyzard | ma3x: and you don't actually need "-lc" because the compiler links that automatically |
| 22:51.18 | azeem | ma3x: you'd need a 32bit libc6-dev then |
| 22:51.24 | rts | Kronuz: flash perhaps does, because "oss always works..." |
| 22:51.37 | azeem | Wyzard: except if it cannot find it, as in this case |
| 22:51.40 | Kronuz | okay, trying it now |
| 22:51.42 | ma3x | yeah |
| 22:51.46 | ma3x | what should I install? |
| 22:51.55 | azeem | ma3x: you should compile in a 32bit chroot |
| 22:52.11 | ma3x | azeem, I don't want to |
| 22:52.18 | Wyzard | azeem: hmm, /lib/libc.so doesn't exist on my system either, just /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 22:52.18 | ma3x | I don't mess with chroot |
| 22:52.24 | rts | Kronuz: but then your error message was about a dmix slave, right? Have you tried creating a .asoundrc like in the first link I sent you, the one that's redirecting the slave to the master? |
| 22:52.31 | ustunozgur | ma3x: libc6-dev |
| 22:52.37 | ma3x | ustunozgur, already installed |
| 22:52.39 | azeem | ma3x: then implement multiarch on Debian |
| 22:52.45 | azeem | ma3x: it's not supported yet |
| 22:52.51 | Kronuz | rts: but what should that file contain? |
| 22:53.04 | ustunozgur | is it amd? |
| 22:53.10 | ma3x | ustunozgur, http://paste.debian.net/27130 |
| 22:53.26 | tvynr | pickcoder: "linux-image-2.6-686 is already the newest version." |
| 22:53.33 | ma3x | azeem, give me $billion I'll implement it |
| 22:53.37 | azeem | ma3x: did you see |
| 22:53.39 | azeem | "/usr/bin/ld: warning: i386:x86-64 architecture of input file `/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../crt1.o' is incompatible with i386 output" |
| 22:53.46 | cilkay | Yes! I just found Adept in Etch. It wasn't there before. |
| 22:53.57 | ma3x | azeem, so make it compatible!! :p |
| 22:54.04 | azeem | ma3x: no |
| 22:54.10 | azeem | I'm telling you to compile in a chroot, EOD |
| 22:54.13 | pickcoder | tvynr: if you're booting from a pre-packaged kernel then you should be fine |
| 22:54.16 | ustunozgur | hmm, so you passed the configure step. |
| 22:54.26 | rts | Kronuz: it was in that link... it looks like the code from the gentoo wiki, but while that is for making apps use dmix (and hence have several playing at once), in that first link they talked about problems with the slave... |
| 22:54.28 | tvynr | pickcoder: *nods* I know. This is gonna drive me daffy. |
| 22:54.33 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I just typed ./configure and then make |
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| 22:54.54 | Kronuz | rts: hmm I lost the link now :( |
| 22:54.58 | ustunozgur | is your cpu amd? |
| 22:55.20 | pickcoder | ma3x: your makefile is targeting LSB i386 |
| 22:55.43 | ma3x | pickcoder, so how do I pass option for 64 in the configure? |
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| 22:55.53 | rts | Kronuz: me too... I googled for the last part of your error message, one of the first ten... |
| 22:55.54 | stoned | last night I was pinging out and having massive problems with my internet, and today I'm getting 8.1 megabits per second |
| 22:55.57 | stoned | this is ridiculous |
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| 22:56.15 | Kronuz | the aoss didn't fox it :( |
| 22:56.40 | pickcoder | ma3x: it's not always that simple. If you have x64 libs with different names then changing the arch name won't help. |
| 22:56.49 | enouf | tvynr: you may find this handy http://koltsoff.com/pub/meminfo/ as a start before recompiling with debug options |
| 22:56.57 | pickcoder | you are better off setting up a chroot with the libc6 devs for 32-bit |
| 22:57.13 | pickcoder | then you can run it under 64 with the ia32-libs |
| 22:57.38 | MatBoy | Does someone know if you will get less performance if you you SoftwareRaid with Sata on Connector 1 + 2 instead of 1+3 ? |
| 22:57.41 | pickcoder | otherwise ask the developers for a 64-bit version of the project |
| 22:57.45 | enouf | Kronuz: i know this mya not apply right now to yyour situation ,but also review these man pages when you can alsaconf alsactl alsamixer alsamixergui alsaplayer |
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| 22:57.58 | ustunozgur | pickcoder: the project is already 64 bits. |
| 22:58.04 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I doubt it... SATA channels are independent of each other afaik |
| 22:58.12 | ma3x | /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:58.13 | ma3x | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 22:58.20 | pickcoder | ustunozgur: then why is it building for LSB i386? |
| 22:58.28 | Wyzard | MatBoy: It's not like IDE master/slave where only one can be communicating at a time |
| 22:58.35 | tvynr | pickcoder: I'm assuming that if chkrootkit found anything it would scream loudly with capital letters, right? I got an exit code of zero but a few files were listed in a couple "searching for" phases... such as /usr/lib/iceweasel/.autoreg, by which I don't feel particularly threatened. |
| 22:58.43 | tvynr | enouf: I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. :-P |
| 22:58.51 | ustunozgur | ma3x: what's your configure line? |
| 22:58.57 | ma3x | ustunozgur, ./configure |
| 22:59.09 | azeem | ustunozgur: are you an expert in multiarch/cross-compiling? |
| 22:59.10 | MatBoy | Wyzard, indeed, but I thought you were not able to use IDE1 when you run SATA1 on Enchaced mode |
| 22:59.10 | bwlang | i can do an snmpwalk from a host on the same local network... but i get a timeout when i run the same command across the vpn. anybody know what might be the problem? I do see the connections listed in the snmp log? |
| 22:59.18 | ustunozgur | azeem: no. |
| 22:59.23 | ma3x | ustunozgur, nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 22:59.33 | azeem | ok, just wondering why you're trying to help ma3x in this hopeless situation |
| 22:59.45 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I also tried with alien rpm -> deb |
| 22:59.59 | ma3x | azeem, keep trying |
| 23:00.05 | rts | tvynr: hidden files (like .autoreg) are not supposed to be under /usr/lib, but some apps don't comply... no need to worry |
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| 23:00.10 | ustunozgur | where did you get the viewer? |
| 23:00.17 | pickcoder | tvynr: chkrootkit doesn't scream, but it will produce somewhat obvious output for problems. Sometimes it lies though, so do research on any issues that may show up. |
| 23:00.26 | Wyzard | MatBoy: SATA has nothing to do with IDE, and any "enhanced" mode you see is something specific to your BIOS, not SATA itself |
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| 23:00.33 | tvynr | rts: thanks :) |
| 23:00.43 | ma3x | ustunozgur, http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/files/nspluginwrapper-i386-0.9.91.4-1.x86_64.rpm |
| 23:00.46 | tvynr | pickcoder: So far, chkrootkit is happy and rkhunter is all green. |
| 23:01.25 | Kronuz | brb |
| 23:01.32 | Kronuz | I changed something that might be it |
| 23:01.43 | MatBoy | Wyzard, yep... but it's a combiantion between the IDE way and SATA way or somthing |
| 23:01.44 | enouf | Wyzard: erm .. sata and pata are ide |
| 23:01.47 | MatBoy | have to figure that out again |
| 23:01.55 | MatBoy | it's the only way to use Software raid |
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| 23:02.32 | Wyzard | enouf: By "IDE" I meant "PATA"... MatBoy is asking about his BIOS settings for enabling and disabling SATA and PATA controllers |
| 23:02.38 | ustunozgur | ma3x: well, there are options you can define for configure but maybe if it's amd, you have to install its libs too. |
| 23:02.56 | ma3x | ustunozgur, what libs? those that will break etch and convert to sid? |
| 23:02.56 | enouf | Wyzard: okie ;-) |
| 23:03.34 | ustunozgur | ma3x: no, the ones in etch repository. |
| 23:04.19 | ma3x | ustunozgur, you think if I install them, it will configure? |
| 23:04.20 | MatBoy | Wyzard, so enouf is right.. you can't use both at the same time |
| 23:04.24 | enouf | MatBoy: connector 1+2, not 1+3 ..wtf? it all has to do with your HDD capabiltites, NCQ, etc .. and the controller they're on |
| 23:04.26 | pickcoder | ustunozgur: it's accessing the x86_64 libs based on the error output |
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| 23:04.36 | pickcoder | the problem is that they are incompatible with i386 binaries |
| 23:04.38 | Kronuz | rts: it's working now |
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| 23:04.39 | ustunozgur | welli, is it amd? |
| 23:04.40 | pickcoder | which gcc is trying to produce |
| 23:04.47 | Wyzard | MatBoy: If so, that's a limitation of your controller chip -- maybe it shares resources between the PATA controller and one of the SATA controllers or something |
| 23:04.48 | Kronuz | it was something really simple |
| 23:04.50 | ustunozgur | you still didn't answer that. |
| 23:04.50 | rts | Kronuz: how come? What did you change? |
| 23:04.51 | azeem | ustunozgur: he's on amd64 trying to build a i386 binary |
| 23:05.07 | azeem | he answered me some time ago |
| 23:05.12 | enouf | Wyzard: they use 'independent' lanes and bandwidth yes |
| 23:05.13 | MatBoy | enouf, you know you can run raid on PATA drives the best between IDE1 and IDE2 ? so master/master ? |
| 23:05.15 | pickcoder | -Llsb-build-i386 is a big give-away |
| 23:05.17 | Dave_is_sexy | i have a zip file which opens in winrar but not in xarchiver. why is this? |
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| 23:05.37 | Wyzard | enouf: With PATA you don't want to have frequently-used drives on the same cable because only one can talk to the controller at a time... MatBoy is wondering whether that's true of a pair of SATA controllers too |
| 23:05.38 | ustunozgur | ok. so, install amd64-libs and amd64-libs-dev ? you only have stable repos enabled right? |
| 23:05.43 | ma3x | ustunozgur, yes amd 64 |
| 23:05.49 | enouf | MatBoy: ide1 and ide2 sound like your bios settings and how it assigns your controllers |
| 23:05.50 | Kronuz | rts: I changed the package libesd0 for libesd-alsa0 |
| 23:05.54 | Kronuz | and that was it |
| 23:05.59 | ma3x | yes only stable |
| 23:06.00 | Wyzard | enouf: It doesn't help that some BIOSes actually refer to adjacent SATA controllers as "master" and "slave" |
| 23:06.13 | MatBoy | Wyzard, you are right indeed |
| 23:06.23 | rts | Kronuz: oh dear! I had THAT problem as well, years ago... Is that documented now, somewhere? |
| 23:06.40 | enouf | Wyzard: many .. and i mean many use sata<->pata bridges controllers within the drive's themselvves |
| 23:06.48 | Kronuz | I found it somewhere in a "dark" website |
| 23:06.52 | MatBoy | let me dive into it tomorrow... bedtime now :) |
| 23:06.56 | MatBoy | sleep well guys ! thanks ! |
| 23:07.00 | Wyzard | enouf: I thought that was only true of the early generation of SATA drives, and not anymore |
| 23:07.10 | Kronuz | :P |
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| 23:07.14 | ma3x | ustunozgur, they are only available for i386 platform |
| 23:07.19 | enouf | Wyzard: it would appear so .. btu how many of them are still around? |
| 23:07.21 | rts | Kronuz: well, enjoy your flash... |
| 23:07.21 | Kronuz | not really, I found it here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ056 |
| 23:07.27 | Kronuz | thanks :) |
| 23:07.35 | Kronuz | it just took me all day to make it work |
| 23:07.36 | Kronuz | lol |
| 23:07.38 | enouf | Wyzard: i don;t see any "specifics" from MatBoy |
| 23:07.46 | Wyzard | enouf: but that shouldn't be related to the terms "master" and "slave" in the BIOS... such drives are still using the SATA physical interface, just speaking the older protocol |
| 23:07.59 | ustunozgur | ma3x, ok, try this : ./configure --target-cpu=x64 |
| 23:08.03 | ustunozgur | then make. |
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| 23:08.10 | MatBoy | enouf, intel Mobo... I have to check which one... don;t know it directly anymore |
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| 23:08.33 | enouf | Wyzard: right .. bios sata settings won't have a master/slave config, naturally, and are usally assigned ide4,5,6, etc |
| 23:08.47 | azeem | ustunozgur: the point is that he wants to run 32bit binary-only Plugins I think |
| 23:08.50 | enouf | azeem: HDD info too |
| 23:08.53 | enouf | bah |
| 23:08.59 | Kronuz | rts: it's great it's working now though :) |
| 23:09.01 | enouf | MatBoy: HDD info too |
| 23:09.02 | MatBoy | enouf, indeed, but when I use IDE4 and IDE5... it could be on the same bus |
| 23:09.11 | MatBoy | enouf, 80GB WD's |
| 23:09.11 | ustunozgur | azeem: yes. |
| 23:09.11 | Kronuz | little by little I'm making my way into linux |
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| 23:09.26 | azeem | ustunozgur: so building it 64bit won't help |
| 23:09.37 | azeem | I guess, anyway |
| 23:09.43 | enouf | MatBoy: the SATA protocol assigns lanes .. not a bus, like PCI .. please see ; |
| 23:09.45 | ustunozgur | no, the project says that building it for 64 bit host. |
| 23:09.53 | Wyzard | MatBoy: If it's an Intel motherboard it's almost certainly using an Intel ICH chipset... if it's an ICH6 or newer, see if you can set it to AHCI mode |
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| 23:10.40 | MatBoy | I wilol chech that tomorrow ! |
| 23:10.45 | MatBoy | I will go to sleep now |
| 23:10.46 | enouf | MatBoy: http://interfacebus.com/ and libata.org |
| 23:10.48 | MatBoy | thanks again ! |
| 23:10.52 | MatBoy | enouf, thanks ! |
| 23:10.57 | MatBoy | bye |
| 23:11.01 | Wyzard | MatBoy: AHCI mode gets you NCQ and hotplug support |
| 23:11.02 | enouf | bah linux-ata.org |
| 23:11.11 | enouf | what a dump |
| 23:11.12 | rts | Kronuz: yes it takes ages, and it still continues to do so after years, but that's the way you learn... |
| 23:11.13 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:11.20 | enouf | !customer |
| 23:11.21 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 23:11.36 | ustunozgur | ma3x: I might be mistaken about that x64 part. It might be another 64 keyword. |
| 23:11.37 | ma3x | ustunozgur, Unsupported target CPU |
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| 23:11.47 | Kronuz | rts: I just wish I don't have to install everything from scratch any time soon :S |
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| 23:11.59 | Kronuz | I've tweaked plenty already |
| 23:12.25 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I tried a few won't support them - amd64 x64, 64, x86_64 |
| 23:12.30 | rts | Kronuz: it's a exercise though, and it won't take you half as long :-D |
| 23:12.44 | Kronuz | :P |
| 23:12.55 | azeem | ma3x: maybe you could explain why you cannot do this in a 32bit chroot like everybody else does |
| 23:13.02 | tvynr | enouf: meminfo is very handy, thanks |
| 23:13.02 | enouf | Wyzard: that;s certainly true, but only depends upon the capabilities of the drives themselves (the ncq especially) |
| 23:13.11 | enouf | tvynr: welcome .. |
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| 23:13.44 | Wyzard | enouf: true, but I'd expect current drives to support it |
| 23:13.50 | ma3x | azeem, I don't have a chroot, I know almost nothing about it, and I once did a big mess with it |
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| 23:14.10 | enouf | Wyzard: most do . .. but 80GB WDs? .. who knows |
| 23:14.14 | Kronuz | rts: for instance I still haven't been able to make the mysql client work okay (with my keyboard) |
| 23:14.19 | ma3x | azeem, what does everybody else? compile there? or run flash/ice from there? |
| 23:14.22 | enouf | Wyzard: dmesg shows whether or not |
| 23:14.24 | azeem | ma3x: you seem to know nothing about cross-compiling for i386 either |
| 23:14.33 | ma3x | azeem, corrrect |
| 23:14.36 | azeem | ma3x: and cross-compiling is way more complicated |
| 23:14.36 | Kronuz | ctr+left/right don't work, delete jey doesn't either, etc... |
| 23:14.44 | azeem | ma3x: run flash/ice from there |
| 23:14.54 | ma3x | azeem, that's not cool |
| 23:14.57 | ustunozgur | ma3x: try x86-64 |
| 23:14.58 | azeem | why not? |
| 23:15.04 | Wyzard | enouf: It shows it if it's enabled, but what about if the drive supports it but the controller doesn't? |
| 23:15.12 | rts | Kronuz: you mean the console client? |
| 23:15.14 | enouf | Wyzard: perhaps they're 10k raptors (76.x GiB) but he didn't say |
| 23:15.20 | Kronuz | rts: exactly |
| 23:15.22 | DavidProck1981 | i got a friend tring to install a nvidia driver package from the nvidia sight , Well i dont know every thing he did but now he is missing , linux/include/linux/version.h any one know what the problem is |
| 23:15.41 | ma3x | ustunozgur, Unsupported target CPU |
| 23:15.53 | enouf | Wyzard: hrm .. good question ,., no go, i'd guess .. ahci is needed IINM |
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| 23:16.20 | rts | Kronuz: weird... you don't have that problem on the console / xterm in general, other programs work ok? |
| 23:16.20 | ma3x | azeem, because you have over 200 mbytes of chroot for iceweasel and a flash player? |
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| 23:16.21 | azeem | ma3x: and? |
| 23:16.27 | ma3x | azeem, for what? |
| 23:16.30 | Kronuz | rts: yep, it seems like most of the other programs (if not all) work |
| 23:16.34 | DavidProck1981 | or how to get that file? |
| 23:16.40 | Kronuz | but in the mysql console client I can't use certain keys |
| 23:16.46 | Kronuz | (as they should work) |
| 23:17.09 | enouf | Wyzard: linux-ata.org has info on setting it through echoing the info to /sys/* or /proc/sys/* |
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| 23:17.14 | Kronuz | rts: however, if I connect to a remote system using ssh and run the mysql client from there it does work |
| 23:17.30 | enouf | Wyzard: or atleast trying to ;-) |
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| 23:18.04 | rts | Kronuz: do you have a special kind of keyboard? |
| 23:18.15 | ma3x | ustunozgur, out of ideas? |
| 23:18.19 | Kronuz | nope, regular US keyboard |
| 23:18.21 | ustunozgur | ma3x: which amd is it? |
| 23:18.25 | ma3x | ustunozgur, athlon |
| 23:18.26 | Wyzard | enouf: That's good to know |
| 23:18.40 | ustunozgur | try athlon64 then |
| 23:18.53 | Kronuz | ctrl+left prints D, ctrl+right prints C, DEL prints ~ |
| 23:19.08 | ma3x | ustunozgur, not supported |
| 23:19.14 | Kronuz | for the weirdest and most unknown reasons |
| 23:19.34 | edwin_jaws | edwin_jaws: |
| 23:19.37 | azeem_ | ma3x: is this an autoconf build system? |
| 23:20.10 | Kronuz | rts: PgUp/PgDown also print ~ (tho' I'm not sure if those do anything in the mysql console client) |
| 23:20.19 | ma3x | azeem, nspluginwrapper compilation |
| 23:20.25 | Kronuz | (the Home and End, up and down work fine) |
| 23:20.28 | azeem_ | ma3x: is there a "config.guess" file? |
| 23:20.33 | ustunozgur | athlon64-sse3 ? |
| 23:20.45 | ma3x | config.mak |
| 23:20.51 | azeem_ | never mind then |
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| 23:21.08 | ma3x | ustunozgur, nope not supported either |
| 23:21.08 | rts | Kronuz: no idea... just trying it out myself. What do you do with those keys? |
| 23:21.18 | azeem_ | ma3x: look at it then and (probably) see that it does not support 64bits at all |
| 23:21.36 | ma3x | include config-host.mak |
| 23:21.36 | ma3x | TARGET_OS=linux |
| 23:21.37 | Kronuz | ctrl+left and ctrl+right? it's word to the left, word to the right |
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| 23:21.55 | ma3x | ARCH=x86_64 |
| 23:22.10 | enouf | Wyzard: erm .. just remembered, to clarify, the scsi increments are 36.x and 72.x (73.?), not the 76.x, i mentioned above |
| 23:22.21 | ustunozgur | azeem_: can you look at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper/help ? |
| 23:22.30 | azeem_ | ustunozgur: no |
| 23:22.36 | ma3x | lol |
| 23:22.42 | Kronuz | PgUp/PgDown seem to move the command history around |
| 23:22.50 | ma3x | why not azeem |
| 23:22.59 | rts | Kronuz: can you use that in a regular xterm?? |
| 23:23.01 | cureless | Kronuz: what's your $TERM? |
| 23:23.02 | Kronuz | (in my remote server, the one that works) |
| 23:23.08 | Kronuz | bash |
| 23:23.12 | cafuego | Kronuz: arrow up/down cycle through the mysql command history |
| 23:23.12 | cureless | Kronuz: what's your $TERM? |
| 23:23.14 | azeem_ | ma3x: because I believe that nspluginwrapper doesn't work on amd64 |
| 23:23.18 | Kronuz | oh, that's the shell :P |
| 23:23.18 | saar | is there any reason why udev would halt the bootup waiting for it to do whatever? |
| 23:23.25 | Kronuz | the term should be gnome-term |
| 23:23.29 | ustunozgur | right, azeem_, I just noticed that |
| 23:23.33 | ma3x | azeem, then we're wasting time |
| 23:23.35 | saar | or else how to fix that |
| 23:23.35 | Kronuz | xterm it says |
| 23:23.40 | azeem_ | ma3x: I told you in the beginning |
| 23:23.42 | Kronuz | echo $TERM says xterm |
| 23:23.46 | ustunozgur | Unfortunately yes. |
| 23:23.51 | ma3x | I didn't take notice |
| 23:23.53 | cureless | Kronuz: what's your $TERM from the remote system? |
| 23:23.54 | ustunozgur | anyway, nice try. |
| 23:24.02 | mark_s | hi all, if I use "showmount -a" the system shows me entries from /etc/exports which don't exist anymore since a long time. why is that? |
| 23:24.17 | enouf | Wyzard: the problem with sata is this; (as i see it) .. the controller is still housed in the SB, so it still get's botlenecked via the systme bus, not to mention competing with the PCI bus .. but the real way to implement it is through PCIe (PCI-Express), and attach directly to the NB, and use a PCIe Sata Controller card |
| 23:24.21 | ma3x | nice 3 hours try |
| 23:24.26 | ustunozgur | but it supports intel 64 bit |
| 23:24.30 | Kronuz | cureless: xterm it says too |
| 23:24.50 | ustunozgur | well, at least, you learn stg about compiling :) |
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| 23:24.55 | Kronuz | I connected there using ssh |
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| 23:25.10 | itchi | I have setup a NIS server and a client. When i add a new user on the server and i try it out on the client he not work. The client been reconize the user but not the password it looks. It been work after doing /usr/lib/yp/ypinit -m |
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| 23:25.17 | Wyzard | enouf: I believe the newer SATA controllers *are* PCIe |
| 23:25.29 | cureless | Kronuz: what happens if you connect via ssh to localhost? |
| 23:25.29 | enouf | Wyzard: newer? |
| 23:25.36 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 23:25.43 | cafuego | ustunozgur: What are you building? |
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| 23:26.02 | Wyzard | enouf: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=32 |
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| 23:26.06 | Wyzard | enouf: I have one of those on my motherboard |
| 23:26.07 | itchi | May i miss somethings? Re entering each client hostname with ypinit looks not normal i think |
| 23:26.08 | Kronuz | cureless: it doesn't work either |
| 23:26.11 | ustunozgur | we were trying to build nspluginwrapper. |
| 23:26.14 | enouf | Wyzard: ,many Mobos have separate 3rd party controller chips .. yet still , not a PCIe connetcion |
| 23:26.34 | cafuego | ustunozgur: Hmm, WorksForMe |
| 23:26.38 | enouf | Wyzard: leemmee see |
| 23:26.42 | deeperror | what version of debian would you run on a pentium d? |
| 23:26.46 | cafuego | Though on ubuntu feisry, nit etch, |
| 23:26.49 | ustunozgur | you have intel cpu, right? |
| 23:26.53 | cafuego | deeperror: any 32bit x64 one |
| 23:26.53 | CalebRipley | I am working on tty$, but the display of tty is totaly crashed, how can i fix this display problem? |
| 23:26.56 | Kronuz | it's weird... |
| 23:26.59 | cureless | Kronuz: what debian are you running, what terminal are you running? |
| 23:27.01 | cafuego | ustunozgur: No, amd64 3000+ |
| 23:27.11 | Wyzard | enouf: says it's PCIe 1x, though the diagram says "southbridge or MCH" -- I'm not sure where the MCH is connected |
| 23:27.14 | deeperror | i386 |
| 23:27.19 | Kronuz | cureless: I'm running debian etch and I'm using gnome-terminal |
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| 23:27.24 | ma3x | azeem |
| 23:27.37 | ustunozgur | cafuego: did you compile it yourself? |
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| 23:27.41 | azeem_ | ? |
| 23:27.45 | ma3x | if i install chroot, do I run 64 or 32 bit ice? |
| 23:27.47 | enouf | Wyzard: ahhh .. nice to see hardware vendors finnaly catching up ;-) .. that's the 3132 though not the older 3112/3114 that still proliferate |
| 23:27.48 | Kronuz | cureless: (to start both the ssh and the local mysql console client) |
| 23:27.51 | azeem_ | 32bit |
| 23:27.52 | cafuego | ustunozgur: I had to rebuild the deb from sid sources, yes |
| 23:27.56 | deeperror | i'm trying to usb install on a poweredge 860 and it gets to loading linux............. then posts again |
| 23:28.00 | ma3x | is there a quick howto? |
| 23:28.05 | azeem_ | dunno |
| 23:28.11 | azeem_ | check wiki.debian.org maybe |
| 23:28.15 | cureless | Kronuz: and when you connect remotely it's from another etch? |
| 23:28.21 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, I have an older system with a 3112 and it annoys me... my SATA optical drive doesn't work in Linux on that controller even though it works fine in Windows |
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| 23:28.22 | enouf | Wyzard: in INTEL teerminology MCH == NB |
| 23:28.32 | Wyzard | enouf: ah, ok |
| 23:28.33 | enouf | Wyzard: the SB == ICHx |
| 23:28.34 | Kronuz | cureless: when I connect remotely it's to a redhat |
| 23:28.50 | enouf | Wyzard: with onboard graphics they call it the GMCH |
| 23:28.52 | Kronuz | cureless: the remote mysql server and client are on Redhat |
| 23:28.57 | ustunozgur | cafuego: did you give any flags to ./configure |
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| 23:29.00 | cureless | Kronuz: so you're connecting TO a redhat, not FROM a redhat? So the mysql servers are different? |
| 23:29.01 | enouf | Wyzard: G== graphics ;-0 |
| 23:29.14 | Wyzard | enouf: hmm, interesting... so the six SATA ports provided by my ICH8 (in AHCI mode) would be on the SB? |
| 23:29.15 | cafuego | ustunozgur: Nothing aprt from what was already there; a simple rebuild. |
| 23:29.17 | enouf | Wyzard: MCH == memory controller hub |
| 23:29.18 | Kronuz | what I jhust realized is that in my local box the keys in psql work fine (ctrl+left/right) |
| 23:29.20 | cafuego | ustunozgur: Want nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.4-1cafuego1_amd64.deb ? |
| 23:29.35 | enouf | Wyzard: yep .. afaik .. |
| 23:29.37 | Kronuz | cureless: yes, the servers and the clients are different |
| 23:29.38 | ustunozgur | ma3x wants it probably, not me. |
| 23:29.52 | ustunozgur | but does it require any other stuff to be installed? |
| 23:30.03 | ma3x | cafuego, mail it to me |
| 23:30.06 | enouf | Wyzard: but .. i'm sure they do some fandangling with the system bus transport to alleviate as they always do |
| 23:30.27 | Kronuz | cureless: psql working makes me think it's a mysql misconfiguration |
| 23:30.33 | cureless | Kronuz: hmm, don't know what to tell you, I don't use mysql clients enough to now where they get the key bindings. |
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| 23:30.49 | cureless | Kronuz: but if the servers are different you might start by looking at that and not the terms. |
| 23:30.58 | ustunozgur | ok, so I quit. I hope you succeed in installing ma3x. Good night. |
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| 23:31.07 | Wyzard | enouf: "lspci -tv" shows the MCH at the top of the tree but everything else seems to be connected directly to it, and the SB doesn't seem to be a single distinct device |
| 23:31.12 | ma3x | ustunozgur, yeah thanks! |
| 23:31.13 | cafuego | ma3x: I'm pushing it to my repository, hold on. |
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| 23:31.20 | ma3x | cafuego, excellent! |
| 23:31.23 | Kronuz | cureless: yeah, I asked at #mysql but nobody said anything :P |
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| 23:31.32 | enouf | Wyzard: with AMD64 th MCH is hooused in the CPU itself (OnDie), but you know that, yet they still require a NB and system bus which they call HTT |
| 23:31.53 | enouf | Wyzard: erm.. the MC, not the NCH ;-) |
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| 23:32.31 | enouf | Wyzard: hang a sec .. i'll get you a diagram .. |
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| 23:33.50 | spundun | what is the firewall config application for debian on gnome? |
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| 23:34.17 | amphi | spundun: iptables |
| 23:34.17 | enouf | Wyzard: oh .. yes, the MCH is atop (NB), and the SB naturally communicates through the system bus (they also call that something real funky to be deceptive .. can't recall all the mneumonics they use) |
| 23:34.23 | ma3x | cafuego, brb |
| 23:35.22 | parsonsd | weird -- very different notice on the front of the server |
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| 23:35.44 | parsonsd | where does etch leave the latex style files? |
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| 23:36.14 | spundun | amphi: where does iptables store the rules? |
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| 23:37.13 | amphi | spundun: you can dump them to a file with 'iptables-save > some_file', and restore them with 'iptables-restore < some_file' |
| 23:37.13 | cafuego | ma3x: There's some other stuff in the repo too, so it's taking a little while... |
| 23:37.24 | ma3x | cafuego, take your time |
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| 23:38.05 | ma3x | brb |
| 23:38.16 | spundun | amphi: Is it possible that while updating the os, I lost my iptables settings? my iptables --list doesn't have any customizations and I can't concet to the mysql server on there from outside. |
| 23:38.38 | Wyzard | enouf: What I mean is, everything that's identified as part of the ICH8 (the USB controller, SMBus controller, etc.) appear as direct children of the MCH, not children of some ICH device that's connected to the MCH |
| 23:40.13 | amphi | spundun: if you rebooted without saving the rules, quite likely - how had you set them previously? |
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| 23:40.22 | ma3x | cafuego, back |
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| 23:40.32 | spundun | amphi: I have no idea, it was years back |
| 23:40.55 | spundun | amphi: isn't there a gui app that can help me with this? all I want is to let through mysql connections... |
| 23:41.35 | amphi | spundun: several I believe, not sure of a name; apt-cache search will turn something up |
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| 23:42.28 | cafuego | ma3x: Still waiting on rsync here |
| 23:42.33 | squidly | hello |
| 23:42.44 | cafuego | I think the xen vm on the other end might be a tad swamped |
| 23:43.10 | spundun | amphi: yeah it did.... thanks.. looks like I'm going to have to dig through some or the other man page.... sigh. |
| 23:43.42 | amphi | spundun: no gui thing like you wanted? |
| 23:43.46 | parsonsd | q |
| 23:44.17 | enouf | Wyzard: that's plain wrong IMO |
| 23:44.38 | spundun | amphi: there are like a hundred packages in there.. and nothing stands out.... command line seems like the shortest path... |
| 23:44.47 | enouf | Wyzard: USB controllers are SB connected, and SMBus stuff is like ot even on the chart |
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| 23:45.36 | Wyzard | enouf: That's how it shows up in lspci's tree |
| 23:45.44 | enouf | Wyzard: naturally Intel's website is a fucken piece of shit, and going the way of AMDs |
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| 23:46.23 | enouf | Wyzard: dunno about lspci output, but see http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/G965/index.htm and click on View Diagram |
| 23:46.24 | krekon | do you know how can I start a process(vsftp) through apache? I mean a daemon starts another daemon |
| 23:46.42 | amphi | spundun: tldp.org has at least one howto, and netfilter.org, the definitive docs |
| 23:46.46 | enouf | Wyzard: it;s a broken POS, the stupid Spyware laden site |
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| 23:46.59 | Wyzard | krekon: Why would an HTTP server launch an FTP server? |
| 23:47.06 | enouf | View chipset system diagram |
| 23:47.08 | spundun | amphi: ok... my checks tldp, this one was crazy.... |
| 23:47.45 | krekon | Wyzard I make an app in php that runs through apache |
| 23:47.47 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, that makes sense... and it looks like all the PCIe x1 stuff is on the SB |
| 23:47.52 | JoelyWoely | anybody wanna help me figure out this problem? Package linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 has no installation candidate |
| 23:48.05 | spacefrog | I'm running Etch (unstable) and I'm trying to do an apt-get upgrade for the latest PHP release, which installed correctly, however every time I do an apt-get upgrade it tries to install the same kernel, and i get the blue background notification saying "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed". How can i get it to stop doing this? |
| 23:48.45 | spacefrog | wait, it seems to have fixed itself |
| 23:48.46 | spacefrog | nevermind |
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| 23:49.44 | enouf | Wyzard: welll .. any PCIe stuff shouldn't be SB connected, albeit PCIe 1x is slow as AGP x1/2, but still .. i am not playing these stupid site's games .. they THRIVE on disinformation .. and they suck ass .. and now .. i'm pissed ;-) .. so fuck them |
| 23:50.09 | Wyzard | enouf: I don't see anything wrong with having low-bandwidth links connected to the SB |
| 23:50.12 | enouf | Wyzard: i'm calling it a night .. |
| 23:50.57 | Sweetandy | at the terminal, how do I delete all files except for the ones I specify? |
| 23:51.08 | cafuego | ma3x: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/feisty-cafuego/amd64/nspluginwrapper_0.9.91.4-1cafuego1_amd64.deb |
| 23:51.22 | karsten | Sweetandy: ls -I <pattern> is a start. |
| 23:51.34 | karsten | Sweetandy: rm $( ls -I <pattern> ) |
| 23:51.42 | karsten | Sweetandy: ... may get you where you want to go. |
| 23:52.10 | squidly | hello does anyone know what gives me wiki.php with pear |
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| 23:53.11 | spacefrog | How can i see stats on my dual-core processor? |
| 23:53.27 | Wyzard | spacefrog: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:53.28 | cafuego | spacefrog: cat /proc/cpuinfo like always |
| 23:53.31 | Sweetandy | karsten: Thanks! |
| 23:53.33 | spacefrog | thx |
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| 23:54.24 | eleftherios | after an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in an Etch machine I get "INFO: using old version '/usr/bin/python2.3'" for each python package getting installed. Anyone knows what's this? |
| 23:55.04 | spacefrog | one more question, do I have to optimize or modify debian in some way to take advantage of dual core? |
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| 23:56.59 | nikin | hy |
| 23:57.38 | nikin | i just netinstalled ETCH ... and i ame searching a full featured sources.list file... can anyone point one out |
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| 23:57.58 | cafuego | spacefrog: Not if you can see two CPUs in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:57.59 | jeremyb | full featured? |
| 23:57.59 | ma3x | cafuego, got it |
| 23:58.24 | ma3x | cafuego, got dependency problems |
| 23:58.29 | nikin | jeremyb: with all the sane repos enabled |
| 23:58.59 | ma3x | cafuego, http://pastebin.ca/469948 |
| 23:59.12 | runatrain | whats the best mainboard to use on linux? |
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| 23:59.21 | runatrain | i need to build a new linux box |
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| 23:59.59 | nikin | runatrain it depends on the features you need on a mainboard |
