| 00:00.18 | runatrain | just a rock solid system |
| 00:00.21 | runatrain | i dont game that much anymore |
| 00:00.39 | turffy | msi, asus and ecs are good motherboard |
| 00:00.45 | runatrain | i have a amd 2.1 laying around and some ram... i need to build it |
| 00:00.55 | runatrain | really does not matter? |
| 00:01.03 | nikin | the most times it is good the avoid the ones introducing new technology... but this is not allways true tho |
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| 00:01.22 | nikin | what is sure to avoid is ANY board with AGI slot instead of AGP |
| 00:01.34 | runatrain | yes sir |
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| 00:01.46 | runatrain | that fooled my brother lol |
| 00:02.09 | kairu0 | nikin, AGI/ |
| 00:02.31 | nikin | kairu0: ? |
| 00:02.52 | kairu0 | nikin, AGI = ? |
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| 00:04.05 | nikin | kairu: its kinda fake AGP port... developed by ASROCK.. it looks like a 4x-8x AGP port but it uses the PCI bride.. the yhave the same in PCIX to.. but i dont know the name of that |
| 00:04.40 | nikin | bridge* |
| 00:05.53 | krekon | Wyzard do you know how i can fix it? how can I make a process call another process to run as standalone? |
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| 00:06.06 | nikin | but it is not just slow.. agpgart locks the system if such a port is present |
| 00:06.21 | cafuego | ma3x: checking... |
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| 00:06.35 | cafuego | ma3x: Crap, ok, remove it. |
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| 00:06.44 | cafuego | ma3x: Lessee if we can do a build |
| 00:06.58 | Wyzard | krekon: I don't see why using PHP pages in Apache means you have to make Apache start an FTP server |
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| 00:07.19 | cafuego | Sincve when does apache run ftp servers? |
| 00:07.33 | nikin | runatain: best is to choose a board of a good brand... wich is more than 6 months old. |
| 00:07.37 | krekon | how can I start vsftp? |
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| 00:07.58 | Wyzard | krekon: You haven't explained why you need apache to launch vsftp... PHP has nothing to do with it |
| 00:08.32 | nikin | i am still searching a well stuffed sources.list file for ETCH |
| 00:09.10 | cafuego | ma3x: Add this to yuor sources.list: "deb-src http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/feisty-cafuego amd64" and run 'sudo apt-get update' |
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| 00:09.47 | krekon | Wyzard /etc/init.d/vsftpd start . I run through apache a php file that calls a script with this command.that means that it runs from apache |
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| 00:10.29 | ma3x | cafuego, E: Malformed line 8 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
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| 00:10.46 | cafuego | "deb-src http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/ feisty-cafuego amd64" |
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| 00:10.49 | cafuego | forgot a space :-) |
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| 00:11.24 | ma3x | ok now whta |
| 00:11.50 | cafuego | ma3x: 'sudo apt-get build-dep nspluginwrapper' |
| 00:12.04 | Wyzard | krekon: It doesn't make any sense for a PHP program to launch vsftpd |
| 00:12.08 | cafuego | that will get all build-depends |
| 00:12.09 | ma3x | E: Package ia32-libs-gtk has no installation candidate |
| 00:12.09 | ma3x | E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for nspluginwrapper: ia32-libs-gtk |
| 00:12.18 | cafuego | hmm |
| 00:12.22 | Wyzard | krekon: vsftpd runs when the system boots |
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| 00:13.05 | jaj | Hi! |
| 00:14.15 | nikin | where can i find the list of repo lines to be used in sourec.list for ETCH? |
| 00:14.16 | jaj | I just wanted to ask if there is no package of BSD make for debian |
| 00:14.33 | cafuego | ma3x: Looks as if you might be out of luck :-( |
| 00:14.34 | ma3x | whatever |
| 00:14.35 | cafuego | ma3x: I can't find ia32-libs-gtk for etch in the repo. |
| 00:14.35 | cplx | could someone please suggest how i can resolve this erorr: /usr/local/bin/screen: Invalid argument |
| 00:14.35 | krekon | Wyzard yes but if you want to make a restart of this application? |
| 00:14.36 | ma3x | np |
| 00:14.36 | nikin | cplx:what was you trying to do? |
| 00:14.50 | cplx | nikin: start screen.. "screen' |
| 00:14.53 | cplx | :\ |
| 00:14.54 | Wyzard | krekon: Why would a PHP program need to restart the FTP server? |
| 00:15.44 | krekon | Wyzard the project i'm working of needs to do that |
| 00:15.50 | nikin | cplx: you are calling it from a script? |
| 00:16.17 | Stevie-O | okay, this is great |
| 00:16.25 | Wyzard | krekon: Well, only root can do that |
| 00:16.27 | Stevie-O | I just edited my fstab to add an nfs mount entry |
| 00:16.44 | Wyzard | krekon: You might want to reconsider your design in which a web application needs to restart an FTP server |
| 00:16.45 | Stevie-O | and KDE popped up a dialog saying "A new medium has been detected. What do you want to do?" |
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| 00:17.29 | krekon | Wyzard there is no other way to achieve this? the application will run localy |
| 00:18.18 | Wyzard | krekon: You could run the daemon as a non-root user, but you'll have to use a port above 1024 (not the usual port 21) and you can't use the initscript to launch it |
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| 00:20.19 | ehc | what is the shell command that prints the contents of a file? |
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| 00:20.51 | cwheeler | ehc cat |
| 00:20.58 | xq | cat |
| 00:20.59 | nikin | ehc: less |
| 00:21.04 | cwheeler | or less, more or most perhaps |
| 00:22.03 | nikin | cat dumps the file on screen ... less lets you navigate in the file... |
| 00:22.11 | xq | and tail is fun too! |
| 00:22.28 | nikin | i am still searching a well stuffed sources.list file for ETCH |
| 00:22.35 | bzed | tac is even more fun |
| 00:22.55 | xq | nikin: looking for good repositories for the sources file or...? |
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| 00:23.14 | nikin | xq: yep |
| 00:23.21 | xq | yeah same here ;p |
| 00:23.29 | xq | got a lot of hit and misses |
| 00:23.40 | jeremyb | cat |
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| 00:23.57 | xq | meow? |
| 00:24.07 | cplx_ | could someone please suggest how i can resolve this erorr: /usr/local/bin/screen: Invalid argument |
| 00:24.26 | xq | cplx_: What screen command are you issuing? |
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| 00:25.04 | xq | We need to see the arguments to see what is invalid ;P |
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| 00:25.30 | cplx_ | xq: im typing "screen" |
| 00:25.33 | nikin | cplx_: the strane is that scrren dont needs any arguments to run... can you post the line what you type in? |
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| 00:25.39 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 00:25.47 | cplx_ | nikin: "screen" |
| 00:25.50 | xq | That is weird. ;p |
| 00:26.06 | Azar | Automatix for Debian Etch has been released....wtf is Automatix? reading their webpage and don't get it |
| 00:26.07 | xq | Have you tried reinstalling screen? |
| 00:26.10 | nikin | cplx : in dubble quotes? |
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| 00:26.40 | xq | Azar: It's awesome ;) It finds codecs needed to play files and everything (when playing media files for example and it needs a codec for mpeg4...it gets it for you) |
| 00:26.45 | CaT[tm] | azar: he's a guy from asterix's village. he goes off. |
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| 00:27.10 | nikin | Azar: automatix is a script that installs some stuff... makes life easyer if you are lucky.. but it can harm the system asswell so be very carefull and use it on your own risk |
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| 00:27.33 | Azar | xq say I use xmms... I usually manually install the codecs, you say automatix will do it for me |
| 00:27.42 | xq | yes |
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| 00:27.53 | xq | it does it for me ;) |
| 00:27.56 | ferguscan | How could I add this to my sources.list: |
| 00:27.59 | ferguscan | http://torvalds.cs.mtsu.edu/~zach/debian/current/ |
| 00:28.01 | Azar | nikin: I guess so with every new cool gadget comes a bug |
| 00:28.05 | xq | and i use vlc and xmss |
| 00:28.05 | turffy | yah, someone from ubuntu chat told me that automatix could crush your system |
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| 00:28.14 | ferguscan | That directory contains the Packages.gz and the debs themselves. |
| 00:28.27 | ferguscan | But doesn't conform to any i386 directory structure or anything. |
| 00:28.51 | Azar | with Debian I would assume that stable might bark at a package that is not from its repositories |
| 00:29.06 | Azar | is a wget stuff |
| 00:29.07 | xq | deb http://torvalds.cs.mtsu.edu/~zach/debian/current/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 00:29.11 | xq | ? |
| 00:29.15 | xq | add that to your sources file |
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| 00:29.42 | nikin | Azar: yep :D i used it on ubuntu and had no problems :D |
| 00:29.47 | cafuego | grrr |
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| 00:30.09 | Azar | xq how about this: echo "deb http://www.getautomatix.com/apt etch main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:30.10 | xq | sources file is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:30.54 | xq | =) |
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| 00:31.54 | Azar | hmmm... requires a desktop |
| 00:32.12 | kairu0 | anyone running raid5 on the desktop? |
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| 00:32.40 | ofir | hi... the marvel network card...disconnects ocasionally |
| 00:32.49 | ofir | is there a solution yet? |
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| 00:33.48 | Azar | http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Advisories#Debian_4.0_.28Etch.29_i386 |
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| 00:34.51 | Azar | bah... not for me |
| 00:35.00 | tvynr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:35.17 | ferguscan | xq, Failed to fetch http://torvalds.cs.mtsu.edu/~zach/debian/current/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
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| 00:35.34 | bangers | hi all, just installed 4.0 |
| 00:35.43 | bangers | why when I do apt-get install, does it look on the CD first? |
| 00:36.04 | cafuego | bangers: Coz /etc/apt/sources.list contains the cd. |
| 00:36.06 | unilynx | because that's the default it looks to, you have to set other repositories for it to be set |
| 00:36.27 | Azar | ferguscan: I think you need to download keys too the wget way |
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| 00:36.41 | xq | bangers: just take it out of the /etc/apt/sources.list if you don't want it to look there |
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| 00:37.24 | Azar | bangers: see where your /etc/apt/sources.list are pointing the system to look for packages.. if is CD will look for a CD if you want online, #comment the CD line |
| 00:37.25 | turffy | can any one share his source.list here |
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| 00:37.49 | itchi | Is there a way to encrypt the data when making use of NIS? |
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| 00:38.36 | Azar | turffy: why what's wrong with yours |
| 00:38.52 | itchi | There is NIS+ i see there on the TLDP, but that's not available on Debian :-s |
| 00:39.01 | fenriz | there's always ipsec |
| 00:39.06 | turffy | Azar: i need to apt-get codecs |
| 00:39.30 | Azar | turffy: and yours is not working? |
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| 00:40.16 | itchi | fenriz: I'm looking for ipsec now. I have read a comment there on the debian-administration website about it |
| 00:40.27 | turffy | i only have this deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 00:40.28 | turffy | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 00:40.28 | turffy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:40.54 | xq | add restricted onto the end of the first line after main ;p |
| 00:40.58 | Azar | turffy: try adding (with spaces ) non-free contrib at each one's end |
| 00:41.07 | xq | and contrib, no |
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| 00:41.17 | Azar | turffy: like ../debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 00:41.24 | xq | aye ^^^ |
| 00:41.27 | fenriz | itchi: I always have to look it up each time (don't do it often enough) IIRC that site has a method using racoon |
| 00:41.31 | turffy | ok, thanks |
| 00:41.43 | xq | then remember to apt-get update |
| 00:41.53 | xq | after you save the sources.list |
| 00:42.01 | turffy | i will thank you |
| 00:42.09 | Azar | you better |
| 00:42.11 | Azar | :) |
| 00:42.18 | turffy | = ) |
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| 00:43.03 | Azar | see you should have showed us yours before asking |
| 00:43.18 | Azar | ... us to show you ours |
| 00:44.23 | unilynx | anyone in here had any success with the radeon drivers? i'm using the 9550 card |
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| 00:47.03 | itchi | fenriz: Well, i gona read that tomorrow, again kinda late. I'm happy to have find it, very thanks ;-) |
| 00:47.18 | ofir | anyone know if the marvel lan disconnect problem is solved already? |
| 00:47.59 | fenriz | itchi: I didn't really do anything but not a problem. It can be a pain in the ass but it works |
| 00:48.02 | ofir | I also seen drivers at asus from JAN 2006, would this be yet in etch or should I try to install them? |
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| 00:49.52 | DawnLight | is there a client for dynamic dns forwarding service in the repos? |
| 00:50.53 | squisher | DawnLight: I use ez-ipupdate |
| 00:51.06 | nikin | when will xfce4.4.1 reach ETCH ? i need my composition manager :P |
| 00:51.20 | cafuego | nikin: Never. |
| 00:51.30 | amphi | nikin: never, I would think |
| 00:51.32 | cafuego | nikin: Etch is stable, so new versions will not be added. |
| 00:51.37 | maddash | nikin: never. use beryl. |
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| 00:52.00 | squisher | maddash: is beryl in debian? |
| 00:52.06 | DawnLight | squisher: found it. thanks! |
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| 00:52.09 | cwheeler | I've installed new postgresql on etch by compiling it from the debian sources |
| 00:52.12 | tvynr | Does anyone have a means by which I can find out how much memory my kernel is eating? |
| 00:52.15 | maddash | squisher: no. compile it. |
| 00:52.33 | maddash | amphi: what video driver are you using? |
| 00:52.40 | squisher | maddash: I don't need it that badly :) |
| 00:52.48 | cwheeler | tvynr free, the max memory in free subtracted from total ram is how much the kernel is using |
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| 00:53.06 | tvynr | cwheeler: Ah, excellent. Thanks. :) |
| 00:53.12 | amphi | maddash: radeon |
| 00:53.23 | amphi | maddash: what makes you ask? |
| 00:53.52 | maddash | amphi: fglrx 8.36.5 has gone back to breaking suspend-to-ram for me |
| 00:54.06 | amphi | oh, joy |
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| 00:54.28 | amphi | not that I use suspend to ram anyway |
| 00:54.50 | maddash | amphi: do you know what package the radeon driver resides in? thinkwiki suggests libgl1-mesa-dri, but that doesn't do the trick. |
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| 00:55.59 | amphi | maddash: it's part of xorg |
| 00:56.01 | tvynr | cwheeler: One of my machines is claiming to have about 5Mb of kernel memory in use by that method; the other is claiming to have about 57Mb of kernel memory. |
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| 00:56.08 | tvynr | cwheeler: Which if either is insane? |
| 00:56.52 | amphi | maddash: xserver-xorg-video-ati: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so |
| 00:57.09 | amphi | maddash: libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so |
| 00:57.26 | nikin | maddash: i found a way tho.. bytheway.. beryl with an i810 card? i tryed.. hmmm didnt work |
| 00:57.33 | SerajewelKS | anyone know of a program/script in debian that will convert a blob to a C string? |
| 00:58.10 | gravity | a blob to a C string? What does that mean? |
| 00:58.40 | SerajewelKS | gravity: something suitable to paste into C sources and assignable to char* |
| 00:58.54 | gravity | SerajewelKS: What's a blob though? |
| 00:58.55 | nikin | what is a blob? |
| 00:59.24 | cwheeler | tvyer I believe the kernel allocates memory based on the total memory available |
| 00:59.26 | SerajewelKS | you've never heard the phrase "binary blob" |
| 00:59.47 | gravity | Yeah, but I'm not sure why you'd need to convert it to a string. |
| 01:00.05 | nikin | i didnt... maybe thats why i code in FPC/Lazarus :P |
| 01:00.08 | gravity | Since it's just binary data that you don't understand anyway (hence "blob") how could you convert it? |
| 01:00.10 | tvynr | cwheeler: Well, that and I have two vendor blob modules loaded, so... :-/ |
| 01:00.18 | SerajewelKS | gravity: so i can assign it to something like (char *a) |
| 01:00.29 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Just read it in to the program |
| 01:00.32 | SerajewelKS | gravity: and access the first byte with a[0] and the second with a[1] |
| 01:00.41 | squisher | SerajewelKS: do a cast? |
| 01:00.55 | gravity | I think you can just do that. I'm not sure why you'd need anything special to convert it |
| 01:00.57 | chops_2009 | does anyone know how to install clusterknoppix on an hd |
| 01:01.03 | SerajewelKS | squisher: do you understand what's going on at all? |
| 01:01.09 | nikin | a C string is 0 terminated? |
| 01:01.24 | squisher | SerajewelKS: don't be so high and mighty if people try to help you, seriously, what an attitude (and I do understand, btw) |
| 01:02.22 | gravity | You read in the data, and it's just data in a bunch of memory that's allocated. Since you're referring to that memory with a pointer, you can use array-notation to address it like you want. |
| 01:02.22 | SerajewelKS | squisher: then why suggest casting... it's not even in the ballpark. i'm not trying to be high and mighty, but after being asked twice what a "blob" is i'm not sure what else i need to clarify here. |
| 01:02.27 | nikin | and how do you want to input that blob? read a file? |
| 01:02.38 | SerajewelKS | nikin: paste it in the sources |
| 01:02.49 | gravity | SerajewelKS: I guess I'm just not sure what you're really trying to do with the blob. |
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| 01:02.53 | SerajewelKS | which is why i think i'm going to give up and write a one-liner... |
| 01:03.03 | nikin | you want something like a resource string? and image or so? |
| 01:03.18 | nikin | -and + an |
| 01:04.03 | nikin | gimp can save images to c code tho :D |
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| 01:04.28 | SerajewelKS | perl -e 'undef $/; $_=<>; s/(.)/sprintf("\\x%02x", $1)/ge; print;' < blob |
| 01:04.29 | ofir | how can I check my LAN driver version? |
| 01:04.32 | bangers | hi all, how do I see memory information in sol 10? |
| 01:04.34 | SerajewelKS | that's more or less what i was asking... |
| 01:04.38 | bangers | I want to know if my memory modules are ECC |
| 01:04.42 | bangers | prtdiag doesnt show ECC |
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| 01:05.12 | SerajewelKS | only with ord($1) |
| 01:05.33 | squisher | bangers: your bios should show if it's ECC, I think |
| 01:06.35 | squisher | bangers: also you should see it by looking at them, they have extra chips |
| 01:06.39 | turffy | is it possible that i get error:connection:Connection refused wen i use remotedesktop is because my linksys router is blocking it, couse i dont find any config in my linksys blocking it? |
| 01:06.55 | squisher | turffy: yes |
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| 01:07.33 | squisher | turffy: shouldn't you be looking for a rule _enabling_ it, rather than blocking it? |
| 01:08.04 | turffy | squisher: ok let me check my settings again,thanks |
| 01:09.01 | kairu0 | how do i get my gnome taskbar to blink when i get a new gaim message? (using gaim 2.0.0-beta6 right now) |
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| 01:10.58 | turffy | squisher: i dont see _enabling_it but i see Block anonymos internet request has a check? |
| 01:11.29 | squisher | turffy: you probably need to create a port forwarding for the RDP protocol to the host that you want to access |
| 01:12.11 | turffy | where in debian? |
| 01:12.43 | squisher | turffy: in your linksys router |
| 01:14.14 | turffy | ok, let me try |
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| 01:19.16 | jhambo | Is it true that I can't use flash in both firefox and konqueror? |
| 01:19.31 | krazykit | no |
| 01:19.34 | squisher | jhambo: not generally speaking |
| 01:20.06 | krazykit | jhambo, if you're on x86, you can add the non-free repos and install it |
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| 01:20.43 | jhambo | krazykit: yeah but the package that lets konqueror use flash want to remove the package that lets firefox use flash... |
| 01:21.00 | krazykit | jhambo, er, which packages are those? |
| 01:21.19 | krazykit | jhambo, i only have flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:21.35 | jhambo | krazykit: konqueror wants: flashplugin-nonfree, firefox wants flashplayer-mozilla |
| 01:22.22 | jhambo | krazykit: kan you play in both firefox and konqueror? |
| 01:22.26 | krazykit | jhambo, you don't need flashplayer-mozilla. nonfree takes care of takes care of it |
| 01:23.10 | krazykit | jhambo, er, install flashplugin-nonfree and konqueror-nsplugins and it should work |
| 01:23.24 | jhambo | krazykit: in progress now |
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| 01:26.35 | jhambo | krazykit: that did it, thanks |
| 01:26.41 | krazykit | yep |
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| 01:31.04 | jhambo | krazykit: I just started fooling with konqueror and maybe I'm wrong but it seems faster than firefox |
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| 01:32.18 | krazykit | it was somewhat faster when i last used it... 2 years ago |
| 01:33.47 | krazykit | kde really isn't my thing. i wouldn't have any kde libs installed were it not for amarok and k3b |
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| 01:34.32 | Azar | in fact as I remember my webtv never had a HD... was all running on flash.. |
| 01:35.43 | Azar | it is said that by 2009 half laptops will run on flash |
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| 01:36.46 | jnguy | Azar: hmm... idk... the price of SSD isn't expected to go down drastically, especially vs disk based. |
| 01:36.53 | Azar | krazykit: then change your nick to grazyt |
| 01:37.08 | krazykit | i don't much like gnome either |
| 01:37.47 | Azar | jnguy: the news said that if now is line 100 more expensive by 2009 would drop to 14times more... which is more pleasant price |
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| 01:38.35 | Azar | krazykit: I don't do either and my X screen is really sexy |
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| 01:39.37 | asienko | I can not install any package - it says the deb is not signed, why? |
| 01:39.45 | Azar | meh I use nothing but X with a plastered background Myst picture |
| 01:39.49 | asienko | more info - http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=35378 |
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| 01:40.09 | Azar | asienko: define "any package" |
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| 01:40.49 | Azar | asienko: when using Debian stable you install with "aptitude install packagename" if the package is available at your debian version repository |
| 01:40.51 | asienko | Azar: pick any package in debian |
| 01:40.54 | krazykit | Azar, no window manager? |
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| 01:41.08 | Azar | krazykit: openbox3 |
| 01:41.10 | asienko | Azar: yes I know - it now doesnt work, please see the paste |
| 01:41.21 | Azar | asienko: looking |
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| 01:42.24 | Azar | eh I never use verification on packages... how you do that? |
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| 01:43.40 | Azar | you know, you might find guidance by reading /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README ... I never ever encountered such warnings |
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| 01:43.49 | ice63 | how can i change the wallpaper on openbox ? |
| 01:44.12 | Azar | there might be a switch that forces aptitude to check for signatures |
| 01:44.22 | asienko | Azar: and? |
| 01:44.30 | asienko | apt-get fails as well |
| 01:44.35 | Azar | ice63: on openbox? or or on your screen background? |
| 01:44.59 | ice63 | well openbox |
| 01:45.05 | ice63 | :) |
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| 01:45.42 | asienko | can anyone wih STALBE install xbindkeys and then paste me result of sha1sum /var/cache/apt/archives/xbindkeys_1.7.1-1.1_i386.deb please |
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| 01:46.32 | Azar | ice63: tried obconf from the menu? |
| 01:46.43 | krazykit | asienko, for i386? |
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| 01:46.59 | ice63 | Azar, ok i will |
| 01:47.05 | krazykit | er |
| 01:47.05 | Azar | asienko: on another thought, did you tried : apt-cache search xbindkeys ? |
| 01:47.07 | krazykit | ignore that, yes |
| 01:47.19 | krazykit | didn't see the last bit on the deb |
| 01:47.28 | asienko | Azar: yes of course, why you ask :) ? |
| 01:47.39 | krazykit | asienko, mind if i pm you? |
| 01:47.44 | Azar | ..just to see if it is indeed located on your repos and maybe under a slightly different name? |
| 01:47.48 | phogg | asienko: I track unstable, but in theory there should only be one package with that exact name: 57eec3277218291097da81599d5d6d5b5e27ac0e |
| 01:47.57 | asienko | dpkg: info xbindkeys |
| 01:48.10 | Azar | !xbindkeys |
| 01:48.14 | krazykit | asienko, same sha1 as phogg |
| 01:48.25 | Azar | aw dpkg is on vacation |
| 01:48.36 | krazykit | %xbindkeys |
| 01:48.50 | krazykit | badgers, :-( |
| 01:48.50 | badgers | bugger all, i dunno, krazykit |
| 01:48.52 | dpkg | xbindkeys: (Associate a combination of keys or mouse buttons with a shell command), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.7.1-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
| 01:49.12 | asienko | krazykit: pm me |
| 01:49.13 | asienko | so the .deb is correct, only my dpkg doesnt recognize that... |
| 01:49.18 | asienko | why might that be |
| 01:49.54 | phogg | is the installed size calculated from the files in the .deb on the fly or stored as a field in the .deb metadata? |
| 01:50.50 | phogg | asienko: describe "doesn't recognize" |
| 01:50.51 | asienko | phogg: it says that this deb is not signed |
| 01:51.23 | squisher | phogg: I think it's meta data |
| 01:51.26 | phogg | asienko: probably you don't have the right key. Tell it to install anyway |
| 01:51.44 | asienko | phogg: but why it was working yesterday |
| 01:52.06 | asienko | and this is NOT the PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key problem |
| 01:52.10 | phogg | asienko: that I cannot guess |
| 01:52.13 | asienko | it simply says the .deb isnt signed |
| 01:52.24 | phasegen | dudes, (and dudettes) I just fragged a fresh etch install so bad I had to reinstall to undo what I shouldn't have done... |
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| 01:52.53 | krazykit | phasegen, what did you do? |
| 01:52.56 | Azar | asienko: so what it wants to tell you? the package is tainted? or risky to install/use? |
| 01:53.02 | squisher | asienko: I'm running unstable, but I installed debsig-verify and it gave me the same message that you got... not sure if that helps, but anyways ;) |
| 01:53.03 | nvz | I;m getting a nasty crackle out of recording on this via82cxxx card.. I hope taking it down and putting this emu10k1 in solves the problem |
| 01:53.12 | asienko | squisher: wired |
| 01:53.29 | squisher | asienko: I installed mine a couple of weeks back though, no error at the time |
| 01:53.38 | phasegen | I can't get it to recognize my wireless card |
| 01:53.58 | Azar | asienko: waht squisher said: you might have a nasty nanny there that will prevent you install "insecure" packages |
| 01:54.02 | phogg | nvz: I always get that with my sblive when using oss emulation |
| 01:54.35 | squisher | asienko: Hm, I just checked a .deb I just installed a couple of minutes ago, and it doesn't have a sig either... |
| 01:54.58 | nvz | phogg: hmm.. maybe I should try unloading oss emulation and see if the via sounds better pure alsa first.. heh |
| 01:55.16 | phogg | nvz: might be worth a shot. |
| 01:55.55 | karsten | What's the current status of swsusp, 2.6 kernels, and Debian testing? |
| 01:56.04 | nvz | phogg: sure.. wont kill my 52 day uptime |
| 01:56.11 | phasegen | krazykit: needless to say, don't install two different wireless card modules, ndiswrapper (2 versions because the first didn't seem to take) and then start randomly unplugging kernel modules... |
| 01:56.16 | karsten | I've got a Thinkpad T30 which has really crap (if not predictable) power management. |
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| 01:56.17 | nvz | phogg: like adding the emu10k1 would |
| 01:56.17 | Azar | nvz: both my running PCs are using the via chipset and the sound is really cool.. |
| 01:56.32 | karsten | Can't/won't suspend. Crashes at ~20% battery life. Every. Bloody. Time. |
| 01:56.43 | nvz | Azar: I got steady crackle pop sounds using audacity to record |
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| 01:56.49 | karsten | Hrm. I've got uswsusp installed. |
| 01:56.54 | kash | http://digg.com/general_sciences/Make_Your_Own_Hydrogen_Gas <- digg please |
| 01:56.57 | Azar | nvz: ah recording.. never tried |
| 01:57.18 | Azar | kash: this is not the place for such stuff |
| 01:57.39 | phasegen | krazykit: why do they have the rt2400 kernel module in there by default? |
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| 01:57.59 | kash | oh |
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| 01:58.04 | nvz | Azar: yeah exactly.. heh they've never recorded for me.. they work fine for playback |
| 01:58.05 | asienko | you are right, debsign-verify seems to be totally broken |
| 01:58.07 | krazykit | phasegen, iunno. worked well enough for me |
| 01:58.33 | nvz | only /dev/dsp shows up in audacity o.O I guess I'll have to use sox |
| 01:58.34 | asienko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:58.43 | phasegen | krazykit: are you using a wmp54g card from linksys??? |
| 01:59.00 | Azar | nvz: remember back in the days when we would try recording using a microphone and stuff... hehe all the pops cracks and even the player's engine would interfere.. |
| 01:59.02 | krazykit | phasegen, no, i was using some cheap encore card |
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| 01:59.20 | Azar | dpkg is away... |
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| 01:59.32 | Azar | !etch |
| 01:59.32 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 01:59.36 | Azar | oh he is here |
| 01:59.44 | phasegen | krazykit: if it was easy, I need one |
| 02:00.01 | NsOmNiAc | anyone have any experience getting an NVIDIA 5700 VE 3d acceleration working properly ? |
| 02:00.20 | NsOmNiAc | or can someone point me in to correct direction |
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| 02:00.42 | krazykit | phasegen, come to think of it, it was an rt2500 card, but they use the same driver |
| 02:01.13 | phasegen | krazykit: how did you get it going?? |
| 02:01.24 | Azar | nvz: maybe you need some sort of sound filter package |
| 02:02.35 | nvz | Azar: screw it.. I'm taking this whore of a machine down and putting the emu10k1 in here. |
| 02:03.12 | Wettoad | Hi, I am having some trouble with nfs. When tring to mount an nfs export, mount tries to access mountd over tcp first even if the nfs mount is over udp, does anyone know a way to prevent this? |
| 02:03.21 | Wettoad | OSX has a -U flag for this, but the linux manpages seem empty on the subject. The mount does ultimately work, but it takes 3 minutes to give up on contacting mountd over tcp |
| 02:03.26 | NsOmNiAc | GeForce FX 5700VE |
| 02:03.48 | krazykit | phasegen, at the time, downloaded the source, built the module, insterted it, and went |
| 02:03.50 | phasegen | krazykit: I tried ndiswrapper, but it kept telling me I had the wrong driver for the hardware, is the same one I use for windows and it works there... |
| 02:04.50 | Wettoad | nvz: it works just fine |
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| 02:05.51 | asienko | so is it just me? |
| 02:06.05 | nvz | Wettoad: so does suicide.. doesnt mean I try to do it. |
| 02:06.08 | asienko | that apt-get, dpkg and aptitude refuse to install any deb |
| 02:06.17 | phasegen | krazykit: I've just downloaded the latest ndiswrapper from sourceforge on my laptop, and I'm trying it as soon as the install is done |
| 02:06.54 | Wettoad | nvz: well all i am saying is it hasn't killed me yet |
| 02:06.56 | Caelum | how do you update a git repository? |
| 02:07.11 | nvz | Wettoad: the manpage actually does tell you how to do this I just checked |
| 02:07.30 | nvz | Wettoad: interestingly enough its in the Mount options for nfs section |
| 02:07.42 | Wettoad | nvz: please enlghten me |
| 02:07.51 | krazykit | phasegen, oh, i used the rt2x00 driver, not ndiswrapper |
| 02:08.00 | asienko | can any of you install now anything on debian?? |
| 02:08.21 | nvz | Wettoad: mount(8) line 866 |
| 02:08.22 | asienko | now ALL my boxes say they can not install any debian thing (package notsigned) |
| 02:08.59 | phasegen | krazykit: the one on the disk, or a newer on from their website? |
| 02:09.00 | Wettoad | nvz: yeah you'll have to give me the option, because i have tried and there is nothing that does it |
| 02:09.12 | nvz | Wettoad: and 867 " Boolean options, possibly preceded by no are recognized: bg, fg, soft, hard, intr, posix, cto, ac, tcp, udp, lock. For details, see nfs(5)." |
| 02:09.15 | Wettoad | nvz: the udp option speciifies nfs over udp, but not mountd |
| 02:10.16 | Wettoad | nvz: an nfs mount consists of 2 calls to the portmapper, the 1st is for the nfs port, the second is the mountd port |
| 02:10.53 | Wettoad | the udp option ensures that the nfs port is udp, but not the mountd port |
| 02:11.07 | krazykit | phasegen, it was last year that i had it... |
| 02:11.18 | Wettoad | after 3 minutes the mountd rpc request gives up and falls back to asking for the mountd udp port |
| 02:11.33 | phasegen | krazykit: oh... |
| 02:11.57 | nvz | Wettoad: nfs(5):line 30? |
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| 02:12.57 | nvz | Wettoad: see also mount(8) option mountport= option under nfs |
| 02:13.10 | Wettoad | nvz: nope same problem, nfs request over udp, but the initial mountd request is over udp |
| 02:13.13 | Wettoad | sorry tcp |
| 02:13.46 | Wettoad | nvz: mountport specifies a static port which is not acceptable in this case |
| 02:14.01 | Wettoad | it should and is gotten via the portmapper |
| 02:14.33 | nvz | idk afaict the default behavior is udp unless otherwise specified |
| 02:14.45 | asienko | ok I know - apparently the debsig-verify is broken - whn you have it on your system no other package will install. Can anyone confirm? |
| 02:14.53 | Wettoad | yeah that is what i expect, but it is not what wireshark says is happening |
| 02:15.11 | Wettoad | nvz: thanks for checking |
| 02:15.28 | phasegen | krazykit: well, it's back up... time to try again... |
| 02:17.52 | Caelum | how come pkg-config doesn't list gnome-vfs even though I have libgnome-vfs-dev installed? |
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| 02:22.15 | raf256 | so... we have a package which installation == braking entire system |
| 02:22.45 | raf256 | this is known since 2 YEARS |
| 02:22.50 | raf256 | and noone fixed it?! |
| 02:22.56 | raf256 | in stable debian? |
| 02:23.24 | gravity | raf256: What package? |
| 02:23.32 | raf256 | debsig-verify |
| 02:23.40 | raf256 | install it - and you cant install any other package |
| 02:23.41 | xq | anyone know of any program/utility to burn .daa files (PowerISO, apparently)? |
| 02:24.15 | raf256 | sweet jesus |
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| 02:24.53 | Ronin | so why do you run debian raf256? |
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| 02:25.20 | gravity | This bug report sucks |
| 02:25.22 | xq | nm found an app |
| 02:25.28 | gravity | raf256: This is really horrific, I agree |
| 02:25.31 | Ronin | and dont get me wrong, i bitch/complain/swear in complete senteces when things dont work right |
| 02:25.31 | raf256 | because I didnt know it have 2 year old unfixed critical bugs |
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| 02:25.48 | raf256 | gravity: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311843 this one? |
| 02:26.24 | EvilSporkMan | how do i compile just one binary package from a source package? (konsole from kdebase, say) |
| 02:26.30 | gravity | Yeah |
| 02:26.30 | gravity | This is really fucked up. I agree. |
| 02:26.38 | xq | or not |
| 02:26.44 | xq | what idiot picked .daa instead of .iso for a cd anyways |
| 02:26.46 | Ronin | raf256: you seem good at finding bugs,how are you at fixing them? seriously no trolling meant, put that energy to good use |
| 02:26.51 | raf256 | Ronin: 1. install a legitimate, stable program X 2. you are unable to install any other program! jesus, I dont remember such ***** even on the "best" sytem from m$ |
| 02:27.35 | raf256 | Ronin: 1. get $ to run company 2. to pay coworkers 3. get food 4. get clothes 5. but more PCs 6. invest 7. recreation 8. charrity work on OSS 9. other charrity |
| 02:27.44 | raf256 | Im not in 8 yet |
| 02:27.46 | gravity | raf256: can you at least remove the package? |
| 02:27.57 | Ronin | then dont complain so much raf256 :) |
| 02:28.00 | raf256 | fortunatelly I can detect teh bugs as part of 1. so |
| 02:28.07 | raf256 | Ronin: why? |
| 02:28.11 | raf256 | no, seriously - why |
| 02:28.26 | Ronin | same as me,if you cant help fix the problem live with it till someone can |
| 02:28.36 | gravity | raf256: I'll file a bug requesting that it get removed from testing until that bug is fixed. |
| 02:28.40 | xq | unless you want to pay someone to fix it ;p |
| 02:28.46 | raf256 | this one bug is most horrible then anything I seen working with winXp back in the old days. Yet it is in stable, unfuxed for 2 years. What should i do - congratulate and cheer? |
| 02:28.46 | Ronin | that too xq |
| 02:28.49 | gravity | I don't think it can get removed from etch, although I'll request that too |
| 02:28.49 | xq | being that these developers work their ass off for us for nothing |
| 02:28.52 | gravity | That's messed up |
| 02:29.01 | raf256 | gravity: from ALL versions |
| 02:29.02 | xq | nothing in the sense of money, that is |
| 02:29.05 | raf256 | especially from stable |
| 02:29.15 | gravity | raf256: Removing it from unstable isn't likely |
| 02:29.15 | Ronin | he seems to miss that a lot xq |
| 02:29.25 | xq | raf256: this is open source |
| 02:29.26 | gravity | Or really merited. We have grave and critical bugs in unstable |
| 02:29.35 | raf256 | if I would be the new debian leader I would immediatelly "fire" (reassign?) QA team respnsible for this outrage |
| 02:29.41 | xq | raf256: report the problem to the correct people / bug listing and move on |
| 02:29.55 | raf256 | installing a STABLE program from DEBIAN == killing entire debian... omg. |
| 02:29.59 | Azar | hehehehe!!! http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/bunny.png |
| 02:30.20 | xq | raf256: which stable program, btw? or supposedly stable one are you referring to? |
| 02:30.28 | raf256 | xq: "stable debian" |
| 02:30.31 | gravity | raf256: You can remove the package though, right? |
| 02:30.32 | raf256 | erm |
| 02:30.35 | raf256 | 4.0 debian |
| 02:30.39 | raf256 | gravity: yes, I can |
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| 02:30.50 | raf256 | I was lucky you founded to debug it |
| 02:30.52 | raf256 | *helped |
| 02:31.04 | Ronin | lets see if that helps |
| 02:31.06 | raf256 | now imaging someone installing 100 packages in a row. |
| 02:31.13 | raf256 | yes it helped |
| 02:31.26 | raf256 | after 2 hours wasted. This bug is known since 2005 (!) |
| 02:31.26 | xq | i understand it's etch, raf256 |
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| 02:31.31 | raf256 | debian 4.0 |
| 02:31.32 | xq | which package(s) is/are the problem? |
| 02:31.44 | Ronin | heh ddsp |
| 02:31.50 | raf256 | debsig-verify as described in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=311843 |
| 02:31.51 | Azar | debsig-verify might have its own hiccups... why would you trust it 100%? |
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| 02:32.13 | raf256 | Azar: because it is in stable? Anyway trust or not trust it should not block entire dpkg system |
| 02:32.14 | Azar | I never used debsig-verify, |
| 02:32.21 | jOnz | hey, i did a minimal install for debian and now i have trouble installing fluxbox because i'm missing g++, C compilers, etc, are there ways to fetch these files? |
| 02:32.24 | raf256 | xq: are you a debian devel? |
| 02:32.45 | Azar | raf256: I trust debian stable and its packages enough not to waste time veryfing them |
| 02:32.52 | Azar | verifying.. |
| 02:32.54 | Wyzard | jOnz: Why do you need a C compiler to install fluxbox? |
| 02:33.06 | Wyzard | jOnz: It's packaged |
| 02:33.08 | jOnz | well, i have a like 5 errors saying i cant install fluxbox |
| 02:33.11 | raf256 | Azar: I dont trust the network |
| 02:33.11 | gravity | raf256: joeyh mentions secure-apt in that bug report. You should google that for the feature set you actually want |
| 02:33.16 | Caelum | "cc1: warnings being treated as errors" how do I turn this off? |
| 02:33.21 | jOnz | i can show you the example |
| 02:33.22 | jOnz | h/o |
| 02:33.26 | Azar | raf256: ah the network.. |
| 02:33.30 | Wyzard | Caelum: Don't use "-Werror" when compiling |
| 02:33.37 | raf256 | gravity: ok I will not use it, but I lost 1-2 hours on "woooah, why I cant install any package now O_o ????" |
| 02:33.44 | xq | why are you using debsig-verify? |
| 02:33.49 | raf256 | dunno |
| 02:33.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 02:33.56 | gravity | raf256: Well, you can keep crying about it or you can get on with your life |
| 02:33.57 | raf256 | grepded list of packages for verify |
| 02:34.01 | jOnz | would a 64mb ram computer run fluxbox well? |
| 02:34.07 | xq | dpkg doesn't use debsig-verify by default? |
| 02:34.10 | raf256 | installed along with tripwire |
| 02:34.14 | zinx | jOnz: fluxbox, sure. firefox, not so much. |
| 02:34.17 | Azar | raf256: you are the second one with this problem in the past 3 hours... I never used that stuff but then again... I don't run an network... |
| 02:34.18 | raf256 | xq: not if it is not installed |
| 02:34.18 | Wyzard | jOnz: It's meant to be lightweight, so probably |
| 02:34.19 | Caelum | Wyzard: thank you! |
| 02:34.20 | gravity | xq: No, dpkg has an alternate mechanism |
| 02:34.43 | zinx | jOnz: meaning it'll run it, but it'll swap a good bit too |
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| 02:34.54 | raf256 | Azar: asienko is pc of my coworker |
| 02:35.01 | Azar | raf256: just asking myself: are ALL debian packages signed? is the signature up to date? possibly no |
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| 02:35.09 | raf256 | Azar: of course yes |
| 02:35.12 | Azar | raf256: ahhhhhhhhh asienko |
| 02:35.20 | raf256 | Azar: this is done by default, all debs are signed |
| 02:35.31 | raf256 | !give azar key 2006 |
| 02:35.32 | Azar | raf256: possibly all are signed but the signature might be outdated |
| 02:35.42 | raf256 | !tell azar about key 2006 |
| 02:35.45 | Azar | then use the etch key |
| 02:35.48 | raf256 | uhm never mind ;) |
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| 02:35.57 | raf256 | Azar: now the signature is correct |
| 02:36.08 | raf256 | simply debsig-verify is totally broken |
| 02:36.14 | raf256 | it works in 0% |
| 02:36.24 | Azar | Ronin: look at the png I posted :) |
| 02:36.28 | raf256 | and it makes entire debian installing system work in 0% untill beeing removed |
| 02:36.42 | gravity | raf256: You can apparently configure it to work |
| 02:36.51 | Ronin | Azar: how far back? |
| 02:36.59 | Azar | Ronin: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/bunny.png |
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| 02:37.05 | Ronin | got it |
| 02:37.07 | xq | I think if someone is using it then they want their own package infrastructure so I do not see the huge deal |
| 02:37.11 | raf256 | gravity: yes? anyway out of the box it stops debian installing from working at all |
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| 02:37.41 | gravity | raf256: Yes, well if you want to complain, I suggest sending a note to that bug |
| 02:37.49 | raf256 | xq: so there should be a big huge warning "installing this will SCREW UP TOTALLY dpkg -i apt-get and aptitude, are you shure - type yes" |
| 02:37.50 | Azar | raf256: as simple user, without a network setup, I guess I never needed that package... |
| 02:37.57 | Ronin | ok i laughed out loud, please tell me thats not real :) |
| 02:38.13 | raf256 | what is not real? |
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| 02:38.25 | xq | raf256: Reopen the bug report with your suggestion. It has been there since 2006 without any feed back. |
| 02:38.30 | Azar | Ronin: it is... I shop for books at amazon and appended offers look exactly like that one |
| 02:38.40 | Ronin | no way Azar, heh heh heh |
| 02:38.41 | raf256 | I installed various packages which looked like related to security to investigate them more, and one of them comed out to be a huge mine-bomb |
| 02:38.48 | xq | But I think you've aired your opinion thoroughly to this channel |
| 02:39.11 | Azar | raf256: ok you got me curious I will google for this package see what others rant about |
| 02:39.29 | raf256 | I wish debian well |
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| 02:39.37 | MicroBSD | Quick Q: I have a 4GB USB-stick. How much should I set aside for an average graphical debian installation? |
| 02:39.42 | raf256 | I shure hope the new debian leader will get the QA into debian at least |
| 02:39.49 | talisker | Hi, for some reason I have very low volume only while watching flash files |
| 02:39.53 | Ronin | raf256: stop complaining and start helping |
| 02:39.57 | gravity | Anyhow, request for removal from testing and stable filed |
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| 02:40.36 | Wyzard | MicroBSD: Installing an OS on a USB stick isn't really a good idea... it'll wear it out too quickly |
| 02:40.40 | raf256 | Ronin: I did for past 2 years, helping debian seem, in retrospection - quite a lost time. I dunno perhaps it will change with new debian leader. |
| 02:40.53 | Azar | raf256: here you have it fresh from the oven: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070409.143421.5f0fd0e5.en.html |
| 02:40.56 | Ronin | ive read your bug reports raf256, hardly call that helping |
| 02:40.57 | MicroBSD | Wyzard: I don't agree :) |
| 02:41.10 | raf256 | usually it is "ABC is un user friendly because XYZ" "no it should be hard because we are so geeky and cool lol" |
| 02:41.21 | MicroBSD | Do you know how many write-cycles most new average flash-memory sticks have? |
| 02:41.27 | Wyzard | MicroBSD: Lots of things write to disk -- temporary files, system logs, etc -- and that'll wear out the flash |
| 02:41.38 | Wyzard | hundreds of thousands, I've heard |
| 02:41.44 | MicroBSD | millions, actually |
| 02:41.45 | xq | I would say set aside around 1GB for a gui with necessary tools/internet apps |
| 02:42.37 | MicroBSD | and my stick cost me $40, so i'll survive |
| 02:42.37 | MicroBSD | ;) |
| 02:42.38 | raf256 | Ronin: the only time someone actually really tried to fix a hard bug was when I wrote to krusader upstream about they embarrassing self by having a broken FTP FOR OVER A YEAR. And yet I am astonished by this bug... jsut out of words for it |
| 02:42.38 | krazykit | MicroBSD, obviously you'd want to turn off anything that writes to disc that you can |
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| 02:42.38 | Heston | if i wanted the output of du for directories in the current directory, how would i accomplish this? --max-depth for du doesnt work as expected |
| 02:42.42 | MicroBSD | I would have to monitor the activity in the begining yes |
| 02:42.48 | Azar | raf256: the package is obsolete :) |
| 02:42.49 | MicroBSD | And do some math with approximations as to the quality of the wear-leveling etc. |
| 02:43.10 | Azar | nobody fixes bugs for an obsolete, possibly abandoned package |
| 02:43.13 | MicroBSD | But leave that to me, just tell me how much space to reserve :) |
| 02:43.28 | Ronin | ahh thats better |
| 02:43.33 | raf256 | Azar: so why is it in debian stable? Is it the same reason the console beeing is in it "omg lets make debian more hard because we are cool haxors not like thoes ubuntu lamerz omg" ? |
| 02:43.43 | raf256 | *console beeping |
| 02:44.03 | raf256 | Azar: can it be removed from stable? |
| 02:44.07 | xq | are you runing debian? ;p |
| 02:44.14 | gravity | Well, the maintainer works for Canonical now, so say what you will |
| 02:44.19 | raf256 | xq: as for now |
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| 02:44.31 | xq | aye, the maintainer works for ubuntu/can now |
| 02:44.37 | xq | so... |
| 02:44.40 | raf256 | which maintainer? |
| 02:44.52 | amphi | raf256: console beeping? what are you raving about? |
| 02:45.40 | xq | raf256: Ben |
| 02:46.08 | raf256 | amphi: install fresh debian, get a newbie, show him a console (x or vt) and tell him to work in it. Hmm ok this linux is not so harBEEPd. Ok now I will changeBEEP thBEEP directBEEPy and start vim. What do I press to quit vim BEEP BEEP BEEEEEP BEEEEEP omgBEEP I want windows! BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP and quick! |
| 02:46.18 | Ronin | jesus raf256 get over it |
| 02:46.21 | Xenguy | I am trying to diff 2 files, and dump output of lines that are in both files... |
| 02:46.27 | Xenguy | Anyone know the right approach with 'diff' ? |
| 02:46.28 | amphi | raf256: wtf? |
| 02:46.34 | xq | ... |
| 02:46.41 | Dewi | raf256: what are you talking about? |
| 02:46.43 | krazykit | raf256, you can turn that off easy enough... |
| 02:46.47 | Dewi | raf256: windows makes sounds too, as does ubuntu |
| 02:46.55 | amphi | raf256: are you trying to say visual bell should be the default? |
| 02:46.59 | Dewi | raf256: I turn off all windows sounds a hell of a lot quicker than I turn off console beep |
| 02:47.00 | raf256 | the annoying, loud, irritating, horrible beeping made by terminal all the time |
| 02:47.20 | Dewi | raf256: maybe your PC speaker is too loud; see your mainboard manufacturer |
| 02:47.22 | Xenguy | quiet... too quiet :-) |
| 02:47.26 | Dewi | raf256: debian doesn't control the loudness |
| 02:47.33 | raf256 | oh no - you pressed the tab key - lets sound the alarm! BEEEP BEEP BEEP. Its a wonder it doest dial 911 in same time. |
| 02:47.53 | Dewi | raf256: in fact everything about that beep apart from the pitch is controlled by the mainboard manufacter |
| 02:47.58 | raf256 | what you pressed some key in vim command mode - lets wake up entire building |
| 02:48.03 | Azar | raf256: why don't you use secure apt instead? |
| 02:48.05 | gravity | No shit |
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| 02:48.21 | gravity | I just submitted his bug, I don't know what more he wants |
| 02:48.26 | raf256 | Azar: no need. I dont have a problem with taht, the onl problem is I installed this package and it blocked installations of system |
| 02:48.32 | Ronin | gravity: to whine |
| 02:48.35 | xq | oops |
| 02:48.37 | xq | beer ;p |
| 02:48.39 | raf256 | wine works |
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| 02:49.03 | Ronin | beer even better and i dont mind if i do |
| 02:49.15 | Xenguy | excellent shampoo |
| 02:49.18 | Azar | " debsig-verify checks for signatures embedded inside individual Debian packages. Since such signatures are not widely used (we use secure apt instead), it doesn't work very well to install this, and removing the debsig-verify package will fix the problem. " and im done with that |
| 02:49.18 | xq | have had enough wine already switching to beer |
| 02:49.20 | raf256 | no, I want to make debian a product with more of QA finally |
| 02:49.21 | xq | then to guns |
| 02:49.32 | Xenguy | haha |
| 02:49.36 | raf256 | all the issues above - I fixed it long ago. Yet new users are annoyed by them. |
| 02:50.07 | Azar | mister Xenguy long time... how you been? |
| 02:50.08 | Dewi | raf256: um... but you chose to install that package |
| 02:50.10 | amphi | raf256: what issues? the terminal bell? |
| 02:50.23 | Dewi | raf256: doesn't you installing the package give you responsibility for what it does? |
| 02:50.25 | raf256 | amphi: for example the terminal bell - or rather - having it turned on by default |
| 02:50.27 | Xenguy | doing alright; you? |
| 02:50.35 | Dewi | raf256: dude, every OS makes sound by default |
| 02:50.45 | raf256 | Dewi: indeed, lets compare |
| 02:50.49 | Dewi | raf256: are you listening at all or just typing the same shit over and over? |
| 02:50.56 | Ronin | Dewi: option 2 |
| 02:51.07 | mfrisch | Dewi: dos? |
| 02:51.20 | raf256 | Dewi: It seems I wam listening since Im replying directly to yours "<Dewi> raf256: dude, every OS makes sound by default" |
| 02:51.36 | Dewi | raf256: I have compared, dude - I turn off ALL sound in windows straight away, and yet I have a terminal bell on my console beeping RIGHT NOW every time you speak to me. It's not annoying. |
| 02:51.52 | Dewi | raf256: I have it configured exactly the way I want to configure it, too |
| 02:52.15 | raf256 | Dewi: by should it be ON or OFF by default |
| 02:52.29 | gravity | raf256: #422176 |
| 02:52.33 | Dewi | mfrisch: DOS ain't an OS by the modern definition :) |
| 02:52.36 | gravity | enjoy |
| 02:52.43 | raf256 | assume new user who doesnt yet know how to change it. What is more irritating: a) silence or b) BEEP BEEP BEEEEEEEP |
| 02:52.44 | krazykit | Dewi, sure it is. |
| 02:52.50 | Dewi | raf256: so.. turn it off? it's not hard |
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| 02:53.02 | raf256 | Dewi: it is for new users |
| 02:53.21 | raf256 | with loud PC speaker user will be totally pissed off by the time he find how to turn it off. |
| 02:53.29 | Dewi | raf256: everything in the world is hard the first time you do it, yes |
| 02:53.29 | gravity | raf256: File a bug |
| 02:53.36 | krazykit | raf256, so file a wishlist bug. |
| 02:53.40 | raf256 | of course I did |
| 02:53.51 | krazykit | then you've done all you can do for now |
| 02:53.51 | Dewi | raf256: as I've said already, maybe your PC speaker is loud and harsh, mine is not - buy a decent mainboard/case |
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| 02:54.08 | raf256 | and of course "its not a bug - its a feauture [lol we are so awesome and geeky we totally pwn ubuntu lamerz]" |
| 02:54.15 | mfrisch | raf256: are you talking about the bull mobo speaker? |
| 02:54.21 | raf256 | mfrisch: yes |
| 02:54.33 | amphi | raf256: wtf is wrong with you? |
| 02:54.38 | mfrisch | raf256: damn rip it out? |
| 02:54.54 | gravity | raf256: What bug #? |
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| 02:55.13 | raf256 | amphi: I try to fix lack of user-friendliness, a thing which differs ubuntu and debian |
| 02:55.27 | Dewi | raf256: er, no. The feature is that defaults, even when preferred by most of us, can still be changed by you. So change it or fucking shut up. Actually, *and* fucking shut up. |
| 02:55.28 | Peacimowen | I must admit I find the beep when trying to use tab-completion in an xterm to be somewhat irritating. "I _KNOW_ the filename is incomplete, why are you beeping at me?" Although it never annoyed me to the point that I bothered to figure out how to disable it. |
| 02:55.40 | amphi | raf256: no, you just bitch and whine about the terminal bell |
| 02:55.44 | Dewi | raf256: are you saying ubuntu's console doesn't beep? |
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| 02:55.52 | Dewi | raf256: because I am pretty sure it does |
| 02:55.52 | gravity | I don't remember a bug report to xterm, if that's where it was filed. |
| 02:55.56 | gravity | But then, I tend to ignore those |
| 02:55.57 | aredhel | raf256, "sudo rmmod pcspkr" shuts it up compleatly. |
| 02:55.59 | concept10 | Peacimowen: dont load the pcspkr module |
| 02:56.12 | raf256 | Dewi: I disabled or that beeps long ago, thansk |
| 02:56.18 | raf256 | *all of |
| 02:56.22 | gravity | raf256: What's the bug report you filed please? |
| 02:56.38 | Azar | Ronin you were right all the way from the beginning :) |
| 02:56.43 | gravity | raf256: If it's against xterm, and you've got a patch, there's actually a chance to get it fixed if you can show me the bug report |
| 02:56.44 | concept10 | I just blacklist the driver on boot, no stinkin beeps |
| 02:57.00 | gravity | A damn good chance if you've got a patch |
| 02:57.01 | xoz | !bell |
| 02:57.01 | dpkg | it has been said that bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 02:57.09 | Ronin | Azar: doesnt happen ofetn but every once in a while |
| 02:57.19 | Ronin | often even |
| 02:57.24 | Dewi | gravity: make sure you read it first; I wouldn't trust code from this jerk |
| 02:57.28 | concept10 | but my beeps come through my studio monitors so its loud as hell |
| 02:57.29 | raf256 | gravity: it was against somethning elese |
| 02:57.30 | gravity | Dewi: Of course |
| 02:57.36 | gravity | raf256: Do you have the bug number? |
| 02:57.41 | raf256 | gravity: no |
| 02:57.46 | gravity | ... |
| 02:57.49 | Azar | Ronin: given your experience around here no wonder |
| 02:57.50 | mfrisch | is there anything gui cli for afio archives? |
| 02:57.53 | gravity | That's not helpful, and it sounds like bullshit |
| 02:57.58 | raf256 | it was long ago and I send lots of bugs |
| 02:58.08 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:58.09 | gravity | What package was it? |
| 02:58.12 | raf256 | ..reports :> |
| 02:58.15 | raf256 | perhaps readline. |
| 02:58.18 | Dewi | raf256: are your bug reports as fucking useless as your rants here? |
| 02:58.22 | Ronin | Azar: although it is run to watch |
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| 02:58.36 | CaT[tm] | dewi: subtle. :) |
| 02:58.38 | gravity | Well, if you're not going to help me I can't help you |
| 02:58.41 | raf256 | Dewi: I wrote how to fix it, is it usable? |
| 02:58.47 | Azar | Ronin: I have to admit sometime is worth watching |
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| 02:59.23 | raf256 | gravity: Package: readline-common Subject: Package: readline-common |
| 02:59.31 | raf256 | Suject: console bell ON by default annoys new users |
| 02:59.37 | shingouz | this begins to feel like a sunday. i think i should spend a bit more time checking what you guys are doing here |
| 02:59.47 | gravity | raf256: Thanks |
| 02:59.51 | mfrisch | is there a afio front end?? |
| 03:00.03 | raf256 | fix: appending set bell-style none to /etc/inputrc |
| 03:00.15 | Dewi | raf256: okay, so how do they get the feedback they need then? |
| 03:00.26 | gravity | raf256: So, what do you think it should do in the case when there's no speaker and the beep inverts the screen so that the user gets silent feedback? |
| 03:00.30 | turffy | squisher: hi what port RDP is using is it 3389? |
| 03:00.30 | gravity | raf256: You'll be disabling that |
| 03:00.34 | raf256 | Dewi: I wrote how to fix it, and wy it should be fixed that way, what more is needed |
| 03:00.34 | amphi | raf256: what new users does it annoy? |
| 03:00.47 | raf256 | amphi: the none-deaf ones probably? |
| 03:01.03 | Dewi | raf256: you haven't fixed it, you've broken it. it no longer informs users of those events |
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| 03:01.21 | gravity | And I also don't see any sort of response like "it's a feature not a bug" from the maintainer in that report. |
| 03:01.26 | raf256 | Dewi: events like "omg you pressed a TAB key, do you reaaaaaly mean it?" |
| 03:01.27 | Dewi | raf256: new users need all the feedback they can get |
| 03:01.29 | amphi | raf256: _you_ don't like (to a degree bordering on hysteria) so the default should be changed? |
| 03:01.38 | Dewi | raf256: bash does NOT beep when you press the TAB key |
| 03:01.42 | Dewi | raf256: unless there were dupes |
| 03:01.45 | Dewi | raf256: it MEANS something |
| 03:01.53 | Dewi | raf256: it means "there are dupes" okay? |
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| 03:01.58 | raf256 | yes, it means there are few possiblities |
| 03:02.13 | Dewi | raf256: so your "fix" breaks that, it's shit. Please fuck off now. |
| 03:02.25 | raf256 | its such a critical message, I actually thing bash should write that to kernel ring buffer with level CRITICAL |
| 03:02.31 | Azar | No More Bottles for Bunny! bookmarked :) hysterical |
| 03:02.38 | Dewi | raf256: no, it doesn't do that - it just beeps once |
| 03:02.48 | peepsalot | there is a way to set the frequency and duration of the bell. i set mine to the shortest audible duration, and it sounds like a light click |
| 03:03.02 | raf256 | ok how about |
| 03:03.04 | Dewi | peepsalot: no! it deafens children in mexico! you're wrong! |
| 03:03.42 | MikeTheC | rofl |
| 03:03.42 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:03.42 | gravity | So does that darn rock music. |
| 03:03.42 | gravity | Get off my lawn |
| 03:03.43 | Ronin | damn dogs |
| 03:03.44 | MikeTheC | And if you turn the bell to silent, your next-door mime neighbor will prolly bitch. |
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| 03:03.55 | gravity | \o/ I don't have to buy toilet paper! |
| 03:03.58 | xq | more than likely...mime style |
| 03:04.01 | MicroBSD | But seriously, does 2.5GB cut it for a graphical debian installation w/office-progs? |
| 03:04.01 | raf256 | setterm -blength 30 && setterm -bfreq 5000 |
| 03:04.08 | [Cadet] | raf256: You could always blacklist pcspkr |
| 03:04.08 | krazykit | MicroBSD, yeah, easily |
| 03:04.13 | xq | yeah, micro easily |
| 03:04.19 | MicroBSD | great, thank you |
| 03:04.24 | gravity | blacklisting pcspkr by default may be a good idea |
| 03:04.25 | xq | with bells and whistles ;) |
| 03:04.34 | Dewi | MicroBSD: be careful how you divide the partitions |
| 03:04.39 | Dewi | MicroBSD: but it sounds alright |
| 03:04.39 | gravity | That's probably actually a much better option than disabling it in readline |
| 03:04.49 | raf256 | gravity: or - setterm -blength 30 && setterm -bfreq 5000 ? |
| 03:04.51 | Dewi | MicroBSD: you might want to go for just one partition |
| 03:04.52 | xq | you partitioning 4GBs? ;p |
| 03:04.53 | MikeTheC | Dare I ask a question in the midst of such titans of knowledge as yourselves? |
| 03:04.55 | MicroBSD | Dewi: hehe, what would you suggest? |
| 03:04.57 | raf256 | then the bell is on, but less irritating |
| 03:05.00 | xq | yeah, one would be good hehe |
| 03:05.06 | Dewi | MicroBSD: or... two obviously. root and swap |
| 03:05.06 | krazykit | MikeTheC, of course |
| 03:05.08 | gravity | raf256: That might work too. I'm not sure how to do that exactly. |
| 03:05.10 | Ronin | heh go for it MikeTheC , be nice to see a real question |
| 03:05.19 | raf256 | gravity: put setterm -blength 30 && setterm -bfreq 5000 in like inputrc |
| 03:05.20 | MicroBSD | heard that swap was hyped on usb-installs:P |
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| 03:05.34 | shingouz | MicroBSD: swap on a flash drive is not really a good idea btw |
| 03:05.34 | MikeTheC | How much wood would a woodchuck... um... |
| 03:05.46 | Elive_user51 | elive is crazy |
| 03:05.52 | gravity | raf256: That'd be good. Sure, ask for that in your bug report. |
| 03:06.01 | MikeTheC | Ok, serious question. Ubuntu looks like they're basically stepping away from PPC support. |
| 03:06.07 | gravity | I don't want to NMU readline, but that'd be an interesting thing to NMU |
| 03:06.09 | MicroBSD | shingouz: i'm aware, but thanks |
| 03:06.12 | MikeTheC | What's Debian's take on PPC support? |
| 03:06.19 | gravity | MikeTheC: Still around. |
| 03:06.29 | gravity | MikeTheC: The installer team is looking for a serious PPC porter though |
| 03:06.39 | raf256 | pick me pick me, |
| 03:06.41 | gravity | The problem is getting one |
| 03:06.46 | raf256 | ppc port would be the only one flawless |
| 03:07.06 | gravity | raf256: If you want to work on it, just subscribe to debian-boot and start fixing bugs and such |
| 03:07.08 | MikeTheC | Well, I'm no coder. Just one of them "users". |
| 03:07.09 | Dewi | raf256: yeah cause the i386 build is like really broken |
| 03:07.20 | Dewi | raf256: people have so much trouble porting to the hardware they started from |
| 03:07.24 | [Cadet] | Anybody here installed etch on a Dell M90? I just got one and have not had time to mess with it much but after the packages have downloaded and are about to install it seems to hang although you can get to other terminals |
| 03:07.27 | gravity | MikeTheC: It's still supported, but yeah, it's a manpower issue. Not a "the project doesn't want this port" issue |
| 03:07.40 | gravity | MikeTheC: Despite some rumors to the contrary |
| 03:07.54 | [Cadet] | About to pull it out and try it again |
| 03:08.03 | raf256 | Dewi: I dont want to rant, but to give example - krusader, the flag-ship twin panel file tool have broken FTP support, for over 2 years now, in all versions from stable to experimental. |
| 03:08.07 | Dewi | gravity / MikeTheC : actually, *I am* trying to destroy all PPC support in the world. But I'm not a debian contributor, so you're okay for now |
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| 03:08.11 | MikeTheC | Well, I'm not a party to any rumors, but I was just kind of curiousity... |
| 03:08.17 | gravity | MikeTheC: But it still works pretty well for the most part. Packages tend to build without issue on PPC, and build failures on PPC tend to get fixed at a reasonable pace |
| 03:08.21 | MikeTheC | Dewi: LOL |
| 03:08.23 | Dewi | raf256: I've never heard of it |
| 03:08.31 | raf256 | Dewi: of the program or bug |
| 03:08.35 | krazykit | raf256, but is that debian or upstream? |
| 03:08.37 | Dewi | raf256: the program |
| 03:08.40 | raf256 | upstream |
| 03:09.04 | raf256 | imho debian devels should either write patch for upstream, or kick this crashy thingy from stable debian |
| 03:09.09 | Dewi | raf256: doesn't sound very premier then does it |
| 03:09.22 | Dewi | raf256: nobody is forcing you to install it |
| 03:09.38 | gravity | It's a file manager? With broken FTP? Who cares? |
| 03:09.38 | krazykit | raf256, stable doesn't mean "everything works 100%". it means "stuff isn't gonna change on you and maybe mess up your configs" |
| 03:09.39 | Dewi | er, s/premier/flag-ship/ |
| 03:09.47 | raf256 | I trusted - its in main free repo of stable debian - it must be really stable then |
| 03:09.56 | gravity | raf256: That's not what it means |
| 03:10.00 | raf256 | gravity: users managing files on www servers |
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| 03:10.11 | gravity | raf256: We test the hell out of things, but that doesn't mean that everything in stable is bug free |
| 03:10.12 | MikeTheC | I've actually got a prior version of Debian running as a web server on an old Beige PPC G3 Mac. |
| 03:10.17 | raf256 | Dewi: is there any other twin panel file editor? (X) |
| 03:10.18 | gravity | I can't even begin to count the number of major crasher bugs in Xorg |
| 03:10.29 | Dewi | gravity: file managers that don't do FTP send me into an unreasonable, murderous fury. It would be better for everyone if we stopped this horrifying trend now. |
| 03:10.31 | raf256 | gravity: the problem is that things with bugs go into stable |
| 03:10.47 | xq | Things with bugs go into EVERYTHING |
| 03:10.48 | Dewi | raf256: everything has bugs, but this doesn't really sound like an RC bug |
| 03:10.51 | xq | Any operating system |
| 03:11.02 | xq | Any program even |
| 03:11.17 | gravity | raf256: Everything has bugs. Take a look at Xorg |
| 03:11.18 | Azar | ok dpkg will serve a fresh beer to those who identify this machine: http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/05/03/hx20_6.jpg |
| 03:11.18 | gravity | raf256: If we were waiting for the software to be bug free, we'd never ever ship |
| 03:11.18 | raf256 | Dewi: crashing every hour (and every 5 minutes before the first fix after my like 20 reports) is not too "stable" is it |
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| 03:11.59 | raf256 | small bugs are one, constant crashing is another |
| 03:12.05 | Dewi | raf256: if it's not stable elsewhere, and it only affects FTP, then... well, yes |
| 03:12.05 | krazykit | raf256, again, you don't understand what debian stable is. it's a platform of stable APIs and configs that won't change over the life-cycle of the release |
| 03:12.20 | krazykit | not that the software will never ever crash. |
| 03:12.26 | raf256 | so perhaps there should be secition bugfree/ |
| 03:12.28 | Azar | well nobody guesses that beauty? |
| 03:12.36 | Dewi | raf256: there is. |
| 03:12.39 | raf256 | called? |
| 03:12.44 | Dewi | raf256: but not in a free operating system distro |
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| 03:12.49 | Dewi | raf256: because that's impossible |
| 03:12.53 | krazykit | raf256, what would you put in bugfree? screen? |
| 03:12.59 | raf256 | no-know-bugs/ |
| 03:13.00 | Dewi | krazykit: screen has bugs |
| 03:13.02 | Dewi | krazykit: sorry |
| 03:13.15 | krazykit | Dewi, yeah, but it's about as bug-free as i can think of :-P |
| 03:13.16 | raf256 | package which have no known bugs other then minore/wishlist |
| 03:13.22 | Dewi | raf256: what kernel would it use, dude? |
| 03:13.27 | gravity | jesus |
| 03:13.34 | gravity | Xorg would never ship with that criteria |
| 03:13.35 | Dewi | raf256: I'm unaware of any full-blown OS kernel in the world with no known bugs |
| 03:13.38 | raf256 | last 2.6.18 perhaps? |
| 03:13.39 | igor | Hi, I'm on testing amd64 with a 32bit chroot , I run inside it iceweasel, how can I do to access the cdrom from there? |
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| 03:13.45 | raf256 | Dewi: freebsd? |
| 03:13.46 | Dewi | raf256: that has known bugs, you moron |
| 03:13.49 | Dewi | raf256: so does that |
| 03:13.51 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
| 03:14.13 | xq | access cdrom from iceweasel/firefox? |
| 03:14.15 | raf256 | Dewi: how about dropping the friendly remarks |
| 03:14.24 | Dewi | raf256: however, perhaps you should be using freebsd or openbsd instead of linux, you sound like you have that kind of mindset |
| 03:14.37 | aredhel | igor, bind mount /dev to the chroot's dev? |
| 03:14.38 | Dewi | (that wasn't an attack but an observation) |
| 03:14.42 | raf256 | that I like quality? perhaps |
| 03:15.04 | raf256 | although Theo team stealing linux drivers was quite.. amusing |
| 03:15.12 | Dewi | raf256: "stealing" ? |
| 03:15.23 | Dewi | raf256: many more drivers have gone the other direction, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:15.24 | xq | a lot of servers i've seen (for their linux picks) seem to be going with CentOS, that interested me hehe |
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| 03:15.27 | concept10 | raf256: may I ask what specific bug in linux affects you? |
| 03:15.33 | _pepo_ | please, how do I install the java1.6 plugin in iceweasel? |
| 03:15.37 | xq | but yeah, you sound like an openbsd/freebsd type-of guy! ;) |
| 03:15.43 | Azar | core GNU/Linux 2.0 just out, make your own distro! |
| 03:15.55 | Dewi | xq: interestingly, I can't even get CentOS to boot |
| 03:16.03 | xq | lol |
| 03:16.06 | Dewi | xq: the CD literally just... doesn't boot |
| 03:16.11 | xq | weird |
| 03:16.13 | Dewi | xq: I tried 3 machines and 2 CDs |
| 03:16.13 | raf256 | "you took it and relicensed from GNU without asking" "omg you called him a thief!" "no I did not used workd thief" "you do, and again!" "no." "yes!" "hm ok... THIEEEEEH!!! ok, now I did, Im terriblly sorry" |
| 03:16.16 | xq | I installed it on a test machine |
| 03:16.27 | xq | And have two dedicated boxes running it because that's what *they* installed hehe |
| 03:16.30 | igor | aredhel I already binded /dev thunar automounted the cd on 64bit, but unable to see on iceweasel. |
| 03:16.34 | raf256 | concept10: in linux kernel? |
| 03:16.35 | concept10 | no one cares about that crap |
| 03:16.43 | Azar | raf256: don't tell us you are here to revenge bsd on that story |
| 03:16.56 | xq | No problems as of yet...just noticed that many dedicated/vps providers have that as a main install option/default |
| 03:17.06 | _pepo_ | please, how do I install the java1.6 plugin in iceweasel (amd64)? |
| 03:17.07 | raf256 | Azar: after reading all messages I think freebsd is the one incorrect here |
| 03:17.09 | concept10 | raf256: no, the minix kernel |
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| 03:17.27 | igor | xq how can I access the cdrom inside the 32 bit if the cdrom is already mounted on 64? |
| 03:17.27 | Dewi | raf256: now you do sound pretty silly, since theo runs openbsd not freebsd |
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| 03:17.38 | Dewi | raf256: which one are you ACTUALLY talking about? |
| 03:17.40 | raf256 | Dewi: perhaps I didnt tried any *bsd yet |
| 03:17.44 | aredhel | igor, the cd needs to be mounted inside the chroot one way or another, if it's been mounted outside the chroot, say to /cdrom, then bind mount /cdrom to some place inside the chroot. |
| 03:17.58 | igor | ah, ok, trying :) |
| 03:18.00 | xq | ^^ |
| 03:18.03 | xq | :) |
| 03:18.14 | raf256 | concept10: I didnt say kernel bugs affect me |
| 03:18.15 | Azar | raf256: calm down or we will call you "theo" |
| 03:18.23 | igor | the same way binding home right? |
| 03:18.37 | concept10 | you said the kernel is buggy, right>? |
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| 03:18.47 | Dewi | concept10: no, I did - he wants "bug free" software though |
| 03:18.50 | aredhel | igor, yes, but keep in mind that /cdrom is a symlink on my system. |
| 03:18.53 | raf256 | concept10: I dont think so |
| 03:19.01 | Dewi | concept10: I don't think the linux kernel, or any other, is "bug free" |
| 03:19.31 | igor | thanks, it works just perfect :) |
| 03:19.34 | raf256 | Dewi: I want a subgroup for software that do not have any known important bugs |
| 03:19.39 | concept10 | all software has bugs, known or not |
| 03:19.55 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:20.02 | Dewi | raf256: use openbsd. It's small and unconfigurable, but it's a lot less buggy than linux |
| 03:20.14 | concept10 | or use minix |
| 03:20.28 | Xenguy | Dewi: huh? |
| 03:20.33 | raf256 | or simply use other linux distro? |
| 03:20.40 | Azar | yes yes |
| 03:20.43 | Dewi | raf256: I don't know of any linux distro with the QC debian has |
| 03:20.44 | Xenguy | who are these people? |
| 03:20.45 | Azar | please |
| 03:20.47 | raf256 | or simply hope new debian leader finally gets QA teams working |
| 03:21.01 | Xenguy | raf256: what? |
| 03:21.03 | Azar | ouch... call the CEO |
| 03:21.11 | raf256 | Dewi: fedore was worse when I checked (2 yeras ago?) |
| 03:21.15 | raf256 | fedora core |
| 03:21.20 | raf256 | even rpm tools where broken |
| 03:21.21 | concept10 | people amuse me talking and ranting about bugs |
| 03:21.22 | Dewi | raf256: fedora is hopeless, yes |
| 03:21.40 | Azar | raf256: all celebrities jumped on ubuntu.. |
| 03:21.44 | MikeTheC | I used to use Fedora, but that was back when I still had an x86 box. |
| 03:21.50 | Xenguy | raf256: you strongly remind of ignore =) |
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| 03:22.22 | MikeTheC | Actually, Ubuntu in my tests worked better for me on my PowerBook than Fedora. |
| 03:22.27 | Xenguy | not that there's anything wrong with that ;-) |
| 03:22.52 | raf256 | just 1 |
| 03:23.10 | shingouz | hours? jfc. time for a nice friendly /ignore |
| 03:23.13 | Azar | hmm: 19:25 -!- raf256 [n=raf256@unaffiliated/raf256] has joined #debian --- and now is 20:26 |
| 03:23.16 | concept10 | Azar: heh |
| 03:23.27 | Azar | one hour and one minute |
| 03:23.31 | Dewi | MikeTheC: the "unstable" they take straight from debian with no QA probably already beats fedora :P |
| 03:23.50 | raf256 | so how about some conclusions |
| 03:23.54 | Xenguy | .oO(Are we rollin' Bob?) |
| 03:23.57 | Dewi | raf256: conclusion: shut up |
| 03:24.12 | Dewi | raf256: shortening the beeps sounds okay though |
| 03:24.13 | raf256 | Dewi: I ment more sophisticated ones |
| 03:24.16 | MikeTheC | Dewi: Well, I haven't used Fedora in a while now. |
| 03:24.19 | Azar | raf256: say no to censorship, continue, my friend :) |
| 03:24.32 | raf256 | Dewi: do you have more insightfull views on debian development? |
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| 03:24.46 | MikeTheC | I had FC 5 (I think it was) on my PB, but basically the issue was more feature support, and Ubuntu was better at that. |
| 03:24.51 | MikeTheC | IIRC. |
| 03:25.09 | concept10 | the conclusion if that you are attempting to stir up an argument. |
| 03:25.10 | xq | mikethec: FC7 isn't much better at feature support ;p |
| 03:25.13 | Dewi | raf256: not really - releases should be closer together, but I don't know what we'd want to sacrifice to make that happen |
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| 03:25.25 | raf256 | a goat? |
| 03:25.30 | Azar | Debian has allways been a love/hate affair |
| 03:25.32 | Dewi | raf256: I'd be all over that |
| 03:25.36 | raf256 | and a gnu |
| 03:25.38 | MikeTheC | I'm not as concerned about feature support on my iMac because it doesn't have much in the way of special features on it. |
| 03:25.41 | xq | we can sacrifice raf256 |
| 03:25.45 | xq | and a goat |
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| 03:26.04 | raf256 | hum |
| 03:26.11 | amphi | hardly a sacrifice |
| 03:26.29 | Xenguy | that would do it |
| 03:26.39 | jhambo | hmmm do I have to do something wacky to get flash movies to play in konqueror? installing flashplugin-nonfree doesn't seem to work... |
| 03:26.50 | amphi | well, the goat perhaps |
| 03:26.50 | MikeTheC | No lighted keyboard, 802.11b and not 802.11g, etc... |
| 03:27.01 | raf256 | who would then watch over QA |
| 03:27.11 | xq | might get shorter release cycles nm |
| 03:27.20 | concept10 | MikeTheC: which imac do you have>? |
| 03:27.58 | MikeTheC | iMac G4 15" 800... |
| 03:28.27 | Stevie-O | I want a flashplugin-bugfree |
| 03:30.50 | Dewi | xq: actually I'm pretty sure if we redirected the time we waste on people like raf256, into bugfixes and policy dev, debian probably would ship earlier. |
| 03:30.50 | amphi | Stevie-O: work on gnash ;) |
| 03:30.51 | Azar | raf256: Sam, the new DPL said Debian will be more sexy.... so you draw your own conclusions |
| 03:30.51 | raf256 | I less flash sites |
| 03:30.52 | xq | it's like christmas time with children asking for stuff but no big santa |
| 03:30.52 | xq | h0h0h0 |
| 03:30.53 | Xenguy | Dewi: heh |
| 03:30.53 | raf256 | Azar: will include RMS in logo? |
| 03:30.54 | concept10 | MikeTheC: is that a CRT one? |
| 03:30.54 | MikeTheC | There's not a lot keeping me away from running Linux full time, but a few things are there. |
| 03:30.54 | MikeTheC | No, LCD. |
| 03:30.55 | Azar | raf256: maybe... I like surprises better |
| 03:30.55 | MikeTheC | All the iMacs with CRTs had G3 CPUs. |
| 03:30.55 | concept10 | MikeTheC: kk |
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| 03:30.56 | krazykit | Azar, does that mean the default background will have more boobies? |
| 03:31.02 | Azar | nobody identified the beautiful machine from my link..... nobody's old enough here |
| 03:31.03 | raf256 | Dewi: I am shure if people would use my excelent QA including corner-cases instead add new feautures... |
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| 03:31.05 | Xenguy | krazykit: completely configurable :-) |
| 03:31.06 | mannyto | Hi |
| 03:31.06 | concept10 | what link |
| 03:31.07 | MikeTheC | There's actually been two different issues. One is that some of the stuff out there for x86 distros isn't there for PPC (like flash plugins, etc.) |
| 03:31.07 | bangers | anyone know of a technical blog site? I'd like to start my own technical one off a pre-existing site |
| 03:31.07 | EvilSporkMan | how do you build a single .deb from a source package that contains multiple debs? i'm rebuilding kdebase just to get a patched konsole right now... |
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| 03:31.10 | MikeTheC | The other issue is one of specific software availability. |
| 03:31.11 | raf256 | I know - lets make put the freedom-song.ogg as the default console beep, played on PC speaker. |
| 03:31.12 | deadcat | can someone tell me the first line of xrandr in sid please. |
| 03:31.12 | concept10 | bangers: there are billions of tech blogs |
| 03:31.13 | raf256 | cd /home/joh*come along hackers and be freeee* |
| 03:31.13 | Xenguy | bye |
| 03:31.14 | gravity | deadcat: "the first line"? |
| 03:31.14 | MikeTheC | Both of them will be resolved with time, of course. I'll eventually not be using any PPC equipment. |
| 03:31.15 | MikeTheC | I mean, that's kind of a given. |
| 03:31.15 | bangers | concept10: yeh whats a decent one though? ranked highly on google |
| 03:31.15 | deadcat | gravity: ya. the output is diff on my x86 vs ppc |
| 03:31.16 | shingouz | Azar: i have played with one of those when they were new, i just cannot remember the type of the damn epson |
| 03:31.16 | Azar | concept10: http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/05/03/hx20_6.jpg |
| 03:31.17 | Heston | bangers, /. of course |
| 03:31.17 | Azar | shingouz: !!!! veeryyy nice! |
| 03:31.18 | gravity | deadcat: It's info about the monitor |
| 03:31.18 | bangers | Heston: since when did ./ allow users to have there own blogs? |
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| 03:31.19 | Azar | I remember my dad hacked and linked to the tv and we were playing pirated games on tapes! |
| 03:31.21 | gravity | deadcat: Specifically, it's info that the monitor sends back to the computer via DDC |
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| 03:31.22 | deadcat | gravity: on the ppc. the line with the resolution starts with a *, then 1024 x 786, on my desktop, i have " 2560x1024 50.0*" |
| 03:31.22 | shingouz | Azar: hehe.. and pirating the games was so easy with two cassette decks |
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| 03:31.22 | Azar | yep and cool games too.. |
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| 03:31.34 | MikeTheC | shingouz: what platform? |
| 03:31.36 | Azar | shingouz: 1998 HX-20 |
| 03:31.38 | krazykit | don't copy that floppy >:-( |
| 03:31.44 | shingouz | Azar: ty |
| 03:31.49 | amphi | Azar: oh, that laptop ;) I read the article earlier |
| 03:32.05 | Azar | ew not a laptop man! :) |
| 03:32.12 | raf256 | what to install to have all the .wmv and .afs files playing? |
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| 03:32.19 | shingouz | MikeTheC: old stuff that came on tapes. commodore 64 games for instance |
| 03:32.20 | raf256 | also - what to install to have the damn flash working in firefox |
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| 03:32.32 | amphi | Azar: ok, typewriter ;) |
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| 03:32.48 | MikeTheC | singouz: I figured it was either a C64 or an Apple ][ you were talking about. |
| 03:32.49 | Azar | shingouz: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/03/forgotten_tech_epson_hx20/ |
| 03:33.06 | Azar | amphi: you are just a baby man |
| 03:33.07 | deadcat | gravity: my resolution is 2560x1024, whats the best way to get the 2560? i was using xrandr | grep "^*" | awk'{print $2}' |
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| 03:33.39 | amphi | Azar: good-oh |
| 03:33.39 | gravity | deadcat: Just read the xrandr manpage |
| 03:33.43 | deadcat | k |
| 03:33.51 | gravity | deadcat: Wait, "get the 2560"? |
| 03:34.11 | Azar | dad has an entire storage filled with those... |
| 03:34.12 | deadcat | gravity: ya. or 2560x1024 is fine too.. |
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| 03:34.36 | MikeTheC | I've still got an Atari 2600 somewhere. Dunno if it still works, tho... |
| 03:34.39 | gravity | deadcat: I really don't understand |
| 03:35.31 | deadcat | gravity: basically i want the current resolution. which is 2560x1024 for the desktop. i want to store that in RESOLUTION=`command` so i can use it in the root-tail script |
| 03:35.40 | MikeTheC | Friend was at a gamer's convention in Deleware a couple years back. They were actually writing new A2600 games and somehow retrofitting them inside old cartridges. |
| 03:35.44 | shingouz | MikeTheC: Azar: i used to sell the damn commodores when they were new and i still have nightmares about zaxxon or raid over moscow. i had to show the bloody things to too many customers |
| 03:36.12 | gravity | deadcat: Ah, yeah just use awk I guess |
| 03:36.16 | gravity | or whatever. perl |
| 03:36.18 | deadcat | k |
| 03:36.33 | Dewi | deadcat: .... where do you get a display that wide? |
| 03:36.40 | Dewi | deadcat: you have 2 monitors right? |
| 03:36.45 | MikeTheC | shingouz: C64 PTSD, huh? |
| 03:36.45 | deadcat | Dewi: ya |
| 03:37.03 | deadcat | Dewi: and my ppc dont... |
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| 03:37.24 | Dewi | deadcat: I've never had the balls to try both my monitors in X |
| 03:37.29 | deadcat | it was working fine but power went out today and the last reboot was 100+ days ago |
| 03:37.53 | Dewi | deadcat: hah... that's always good. look up your #debian logs from 80 days ago? :) |
| 03:37.55 | deadcat | so i guess xbase-clients updated within the last 100 days (= |
| 03:38.07 | shingouz | MikeTheC: something in that style |
| 03:38.16 | raf256 | thanks, bye |
| 03:38.19 | bushblows | I am trying to install debian with a net-installer disc, and after I setup respositories, I get a screen saying I am about to replace a current kernel with a new one could be very dangerous |
| 03:38.27 | shingouz | and no, i do not have any c64's floating around here |
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| 03:38.32 | deadcat | Dewi: X was up 100+. irssi was too inconsistant |
| 03:38.35 | bushblows | but the HD's have been wiped with boot n nuke |
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| 03:38.59 | Dewi | deadcat: heh. just once I've had irssi go nuts and memory leak everywhere... but normally I run it for months |
| 03:39.14 | MikeTheC | I briefly had an Amiga 500, but now the only legacy gear I've got is my PowerMac G3 Debian web server. |
| 03:39.39 | stoned | deadcat: !! whats up |
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| 03:40.45 | shadow- | what's the easiest way to install ati mobility radeon drivers on debian etch? |
| 03:40.51 | stoned | !radeon |
| 03:40.52 | dpkg | i guess radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 03:41.38 | stoned | shadow-: do /msg dpkg drxx and choose radeon |
| 03:41.52 | stoned | shadow-: if you want fglrx then do /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 03:42.00 | MikeTheC | That's another thing that I have issues with in Linux: Driver support for video cards. |
| 03:42.26 | MikeTheC | All I can usually ever make work are the unaccelerated 2D OSS drivers for ATI... |
| 03:42.28 | shadow- | its a mobility radeon X1600 |
| 03:42.31 | shingouz | time for me to get off this mca ps/2 and go have a few nightmares about the c64. sleepmode is good for me says the wife |
| 03:42.33 | shadow- | which driver has opengl support |
| 03:42.34 | keram | hey |
| 03:42.39 | shadow- | X1800* |
| 03:42.48 | MikeTheC | But, then we are talking me using PPC and not an x86 box, so... |
| 03:42.56 | keram | i have want to run a php file on the apache webserver, but when i try to run it it tries to download the file |
| 03:42.59 | keram | any ideas why? |
| 03:43.01 | amphi | shadow-: you'll need the dreaded fglrx for that |
| 03:43.05 | deadcat | stoned: what up dude. |
| 03:43.08 | shadow- | thanks |
| 03:43.14 | stoned | deadcat: yo guess where I's at dawg |
| 03:43.16 | stoned | :D |
| 03:43.25 | deadcat | Dewi: my qube3 is panic'ing on me |
| 03:43.27 | stoned | deadcat: nyc man, i friggin left oklahofrigginhoma |
| 03:43.28 | deadcat | stoned: bay area? (= |
| 03:43.35 | stoned | it took a year for me to get outta there |
| 03:43.37 | deadcat | hahaha. nice |
| 03:44.31 | stoned | deadcat: baside yeh |
| 03:44.31 | stoned | deadcat: where you at man? |
| 03:44.37 | Azar | mister stonedddd |
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| 03:44.45 | deadcat | gravity: does xrandr always output in this format? " 2560x1024 50.0*" * for the current reso? |
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| 03:45.02 | stoned | oh nm you way the heck over yonder in cali |
| 03:45.03 | stoned | Azar: whats up man dude homie bro |
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| 03:45.11 | deadcat | stoned: california,, sacramento now... |
| 03:45.23 | stoned | deadcat: hey cool... my boy lives there |
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| 03:46.06 | stoned | i think hes a dealer + hacker... he used to run hackersclub.com one of the few actual professional security sites back in like 96-99 |
| 03:46.14 | stoned | i dunno what he does now |
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| 03:46.22 | deadcat | damn |
| 03:46.41 | Vasistha | wow. it takes a really long time for ark to open a 130 MB archive for viewing. |
| 03:46.49 | stoned | Vasistha: screw ark man |
| 03:47.00 | stoned | i uncompress an compress using cli |
| 03:47.07 | stoned | its much easier, ark is nice, but a bit slow |
| 03:47.09 | haxality | roger that. |
| 03:47.18 | Azar | stoned: dell becomes history: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39373 :) |
| 03:47.20 | Vasistha | stoned: well, I don't really want to uncompress the whole thing. I just want to look at one or two files in it :P |
| 03:47.20 | MikeTheC | Well, kids, it's time for me to fly. Gotta be to work tomorrow at 05:00 |
| 03:47.22 | haxality | I <3 the terminal |
| 03:47.32 | stoned | Vasistha: for that it is good |
| 03:47.40 | haxality | MikeTheC: what time is it there? |
| 03:47.41 | stoned | Azar: uno momento |
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| 03:48.25 | stoned | Azar: oh man i thought you meant dell is history |
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| 03:48.31 | Azar | hehe me too |
| 03:48.32 | stoned | like dell stopped doin business |
| 03:48.33 | stoned | hah |
| 03:48.43 | Vasistha | stoned: but I don't really remember which those files were ... I was wanting to browse through the tarred directory tree ... I could have done it with repeated calls to tar, but ... well, I had *thought* it would be easier with ark ... kinda depends, at this point, how long ark actually takes to open it ... I'm at 4 minutes and counting, now... |
| 03:48.54 | Xenguy | terminal = at least 50% (or more?) of what I do with linux -- is that retro or what? :P |
| 03:49.08 | Azar | stoned ok this one is really cool: http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/bunny.png |
| 03:49.45 | Xenguy | boo hiss |
| 03:49.46 | stoned | Vasistha: it just depends on what is easier. with ark, to uncompress you have to do so much clicking and select the dir where you wanna extract and blah blah blah.. with cli its much easier. however, to view the files inside or to selectively extact some files using drag/drop ark is fast/easy |
| 03:49.52 | stoned | Vasistha: just depends really |
| 03:51.08 | stoned | my manager at work is too hot.. way too hot.. ok so kde is awesome and stuff but I am eagerly waiting for kde4 |
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| 03:51.59 | stoned | see how I snuck that in there. its almost midnight, I'm gonna go smoke a stick and try to get some rest.. I am way too tired to stay up any longer tonight. I just came in to say hi.. have a good one fellers |
| 03:52.03 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:52.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:52.03 | haxality | Vasistha: for whatever reason, linux archiving GUIs tend to die while opening huge files |
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| 03:52.19 | Azar | Xenguy: I use openbox and is really comfy |
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| 03:52.28 | Vasistha | haxality: hum. maybe I should just kill it now. :P |
| 03:52.34 | Xenguy | Azar: similar yes? |
| 03:52.39 | haxality | Vasistha: be patient, wait like 5 minutes |
| 03:52.41 | deadcat | Azar: too bad those lazy bastard dont add any xgl stuff to openbox )= |
| 03:52.45 | Azar | Xenguy: so I heard... never tried fluxbox |
| 03:52.46 | haxality | Vasistha: if it's not open by then, kill it |
| 03:52.51 | stoned | deadcat: hah.. tool ;) |
| 03:53.02 | Azar | deadcat: I guess I like its simplicity... |
| 03:53.02 | haxality | Vasistha: makes perfect sense to use ark for what you're doing though, that's the same reason I even keep file-roller installed |
| 03:53.04 | Vasistha | haxality: 5 minutes? I assume you're not using a 333 MHz box ... I think I'm gonna go eat dinner and see if it's through when I come back ;) |
| 03:53.04 | shadow- | i typed what dpkg told me to, but it couldn't find the package "fglrx-driver" |
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| 03:53.22 | stoned | shadow-: /msg dpkg non free |
| 03:53.22 | haxality | Vasistha: ouch. makes my 1.4ghz centrino feel bleeding edge |
| 03:53.24 | stoned | !nonfree |
| 03:53.25 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 03:53.29 | Xenguy | Azar: only what I've read; openbox is minimalist; fluxbox slightly more featureful, in a pleasant way :-) |
| 03:53.30 | stoned | oh argh |
| 03:53.37 | haxality | Vasistha: then definitely, go eat dinner and come back |
| 03:53.39 | deadcat | Azar: ya.. but there are some really useful features beryl has which i wish openbox have. )= |
| 03:53.40 | Xenguy | Azar: haven't tried either yet BTW |
| 03:53.49 | stoned | shadow-: add contrib non-free and you can update and then download it |
| 03:54.00 | stoned | shadow-: fglrx is nonfree and is not in debian main arhives |
| 03:54.00 | Vasistha | otoh, I *could* just boot up the other computer that has the thing uncompressed. yeah, I have a feeling that's gonna be easier |
| 03:54.09 | Azar | Xenguy: possibly so...., I don't use beryl :) |
| 03:54.18 | Xenguy | Azar: nor do I |
| 03:54.22 | stoned | I do |
| 03:54.25 | stoned | its very nice |
| 03:54.31 | haxality | Vasistha: but it's not the *nix way! |
| 03:54.32 | Azar | stoned: because you are so cool |
| 03:54.38 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:54.40 | stoned | but I only load it when I want to show off to windowz noobs |
| 03:54.46 | kintaro0e | hi guys..is there a tool that will monitor you client desktop who are downloading too much files and consumes bandwidth? |
| 03:55.00 | Vasistha | haxality: I dunno, man. the other computer is running debian, too :) |
| 03:55.00 | haxality | I love how slick beryl's OSX-cloned-window-list dealie is |
| 03:55.01 | Xenguy | stoned: sounds like fun, at least for marketing purposes |
| 03:55.03 | Azar | I only use simple things that perform exactly what I need.. |
| 03:55.06 | haxality | other than that, it's pretty unneccessary |
| 03:55.13 | haxality | Vasistha: well, then maybe. |
| 03:55.26 | Xenguy | Azar: yeah, I like simple and reliable |
| 03:55.33 | Azar | Xenguy: I would install a desktop and beryl and other cool stuff only to show off to my friends.. |
| 03:55.34 | deadcat | clearlooks is hella nice with openbox |
| 03:55.38 | stoned | Xenguy: 3 of my nephews are vista lovers.. once they saw beryl, in full glory and tons of effects, they were like omg I want linux |
| 03:55.45 | haxality | Vasistha: seriously though, if it takes more than 20 minutes to open it's going to be just as sluggish when you try to browse around |
| 03:55.47 | Xenguy | Azar: advocacy, exactly |
| 03:55.53 | stoned | Xenguy: but they want linux for all the wrong reasons |
| 03:55.56 | haxality | Vasistha: so yes, use the uncompressed one |
| 03:55.59 | Xenguy | stoned: wow, that easy :-) |
| 03:56.23 | Azar | and the gamesss... ohh the games! |
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| 03:56.26 | k-man__ | hello |
| 03:56.37 | Xenguy | stoned: yeah marketing is like that... |
| 03:56.44 | amphi | haxality: probably not, it probably unpacks into /tmp |
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| 03:56.49 | k-man__ | since upgrading to etch, samba gives me this error: write_data: write failure in writing to client x.y.z.a. Error Connection reset by peer |
| 03:56.49 | haxality | hey. be patient on the games. |
| 03:56.58 | haxality | amphi: yeah.. I dunno, I figured ark might do something silly |
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| 03:57.00 | Xenguy | stoned: you dangle shiny objects and they go oooh... ahhhh... :-) |
| 03:57.07 | stoned | Xenguy: exactly |
| 03:57.10 | Azar | haxality: I got the games, coool gamess |
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| 03:57.32 | stoned | hey wtf am i still doing here i need to sleep |
| 03:57.33 | Azar | stoned: show them egoboo |
| 03:57.35 | stoned | quit talking tome |
| 03:57.38 | stoned | bye! |
| 03:57.42 | haxality | give it time. once more people start adopting linux, a few maverick developers will put out some titles for it |
| 03:57.54 | krazykit | hey, i want shiny objects! |
| 03:58.09 | Azar | I like tools better |
| 03:58.24 | haxality | what, like, hammers and stuff? |
| 03:58.53 | Xenguy | Azar: it's the free software dammit - wonderful :-) |
| 03:59.00 | Heston | shiny hammers |
| 03:59.07 | haxality | Heston: the ultimate solution. |
| 03:59.17 | krazykit | my sledgehammer is rusty now :-( |
| 03:59.18 | haxality | we've figured it out, then. linux needs shiny hammers. |
| 03:59.25 | haxality | and then it will take over the world |
| 03:59.35 | Xenguy | shiny hammers... |
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| 03:59.51 | haxality | happy may 4th people in EST |
| 03:59.53 | Xenguy | that would do it :-) |
| 03:59.58 | krazykit | haxality, cd shiny_hammer-.01/ && make? |
| 04:00.12 | haxality | hahaha |
| 04:00.17 | Azar | so what happened on May 4? |
| 04:00.18 | haxality | it's not working!!! |
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| 04:00.29 | DawnLight | ez-ipupdate is asking me whether i'm on a ppp dial up and i'm not sure. the box gets its internet through an adsl pots modem which is set up as bridge and there's a dialer set up in the box. |
| 04:00.30 | haxality | Azar: uh.. some people complained about the weather or something |
| 04:01.00 | DawnLight | is pppoe considered ppp dial up? |
| 04:01.21 | haxality | damn, I really thought I'd know the answer DawnLight |
| 04:01.25 | haxality | hmm.. |
| 04:01.46 | DawnLight | hey don't get like that |
| 04:01.50 | Xenguy | totally sunny, 17-18 degrees... perfect... |
| 04:01.52 | haxality | so what kind of internet do you pay for, DSL or dialup? |
| 04:01.56 | DawnLight | i just wanted to be sure |
| 04:02.07 | krazykit | 17-18? brrrr. (lolcelsius) |
| 04:02.08 | haxality | DawnLight: no, no sarcasm, I'm actually genuinely unsure |
| 04:02.17 | DawnLight | oh sorry |
| 04:02.21 | krazykit | DawnLight, pppoe is broadband, isn't it? |
| 04:02.22 | Azar | 75 partially cloudy, perfect spring weather |
| 04:02.25 | Xenguy | krazykit: a light jacket, no bugs, nice |
| 04:02.26 | haxality | it's cool, I've gotten a similar rebuke before |
| 04:02.28 | DawnLight | it is |
| 04:02.28 | haxality | :) |
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| 04:02.49 | haxality | I'd say you're not using PPP. but don't hold me to it. |
| 04:03.11 | DawnLight | i think i'm using ppp because it's using the pppd |
| 04:03.19 | krazykit | Xenguy, yeah, it's about 17 here |
| 04:03.33 | DawnLight | you know ez-ipupdate? |
| 04:03.40 | Xenguy | krazykit: I loathe summer more and more ;-) |
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| 04:03.57 | Xenguy | krazykit: too intense |
| 04:04.51 | Dewi | DawnLight: I don't know the specific configurations or packages you're using, but I believe pppoe would be done quite similarly to the old dialup ppp in the situation you're describing |
| 04:05.08 | Dewi | DawnLight: my problem is that I can't remember what dialup ppp was like |
| 04:05.29 | DawnLight | me neither |
| 04:05.47 | Dewi | DawnLight: presumably the reason it wants to know, is so that it can hook the "up" event to update your IP |
| 04:06.03 | DawnLight | you guessed it |
| 04:06.06 | Dewi | DawnLight: I think you should answer "yes" and it might well put the event hook in the right .d directory |
| 04:06.38 | DawnLight | the reason i want to know is because the ip didn't get updated after i remotely rebooted the machine |
| 04:06.47 | Dewi | DawnLight: oh |
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| 04:06.52 | DawnLight | and now i don't know the ip |
| 04:07.07 | Dewi | DawnLight: that's a completely different problem now :) |
| 04:07.08 | DawnLight | :O |
| 04:07.31 | DawnLight | well my friends are sleeping right next to it |
| 04:07.55 | Dewi | DawnLight: if you know the range, and you are willing to risk the consequences of entering the murky world of portscanning... you might be able to find your machine with some *gentle!* use of nmap |
| 04:08.34 | Dewi | DawnLight: as for PPP, it sounds like you're going to have to familiarise yourself with the event hook scripts, and see what's firing when and from where. I'm not too clear on it myself |
| 04:08.34 | DawnLight | but it can take forever. i only know the first sect |
| 04:08.58 | Dewi | DawnLight: there's all sorts of structure in /etc/ppp on my machine |
| 04:09.15 | DawnLight | what connection are you using?? |
| 04:09.16 | Dewi | DawnLight: aah, yeah, that would take forever :P |
| 04:09.33 | Dewi | DawnLight: same as you I think - pppoe to a bridged moderm |
| 04:09.35 | Dewi | modem |
| 04:09.51 | DawnLight | thats the one |
| 04:10.00 | Dewi | DawnLight: and I use ddclient |
| 04:10.11 | Dewi | DawnLight: it has an up script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ddclient |
| 04:10.18 | Azar | hehe this "slug" is cool |
| 04:10.23 | Dewi | DawnLight: seems to usually keep my DNS right |
| 04:10.25 | gravity | I want a slug |
| 04:10.47 | Azar | gravity: http://linuxgazette.net/138/kapil.html |
| 04:11.01 | DawnLight | ddclient? is that what the install -modules pppoe-udeb configure for you? |
| 04:11.57 | DawnLight | thats the way i set up the connection during netinst |
| 04:12.00 | Dewi | DawnLight: er... no? ddclient is a program like that ez-ipupdate |
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| 04:12.25 | DawnLight | oh i thought you were going to know what im talking about |
| 04:12.36 | DawnLight | then how did you know how to set up the onnection? |
| 04:12.37 | Dewi | DawnLight: nope :) |
| 04:12.47 | Dewi | DawnLight: deb installer I think |
| 04:13.13 | Dewi | DawnLight: or maybe just the addition of the PPP packages, I don't remember |
| 04:13.13 | DawnLight | do you know the name of the package? |
| 04:13.20 | DawnLight | hmm |
| 04:13.50 | Dewi | DawnLight: I have: pppoe, pppoeconf, pppconfig, ppp |
| 04:13.54 | DawnLight | so you configured it during the initial configuration |
| 04:13.57 | Dewi | DawnLight: and ddclient, obviously |
| 04:14.07 | Dewi | DawnLight: are you having problems with PPP? |
| 04:14.31 | DawnLight | just that i don't know how to stop/start or change settings |
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| 04:15.15 | DawnLight | the modem doesn't do dhcp spoofing so good so i'm forced to use the bridging mode |
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| 04:16.01 | Dewi | DawnLight: hmm interesting. pppconfig refuses to admit I have any existing ppp configurations to configure |
| 04:16.10 | DawnLight | hehe |
| 04:16.14 | Dewi | DawnLight: and pppoe-status can't find any configuration files either |
| 04:16.24 | DawnLight | you don't say |
| 04:16.35 | DawnLight | then what how |
| 04:16.54 | DawnLight | do you have pppd module running? |
| 04:17.07 | DawnLight | or is it a daemon? |
| 04:17.18 | Dewi | DawnLight: ppp is scary |
| 04:17.24 | DawnLight | it is |
| 04:18.00 | Dewi | DawnLight: I have a daemon running called pppd |
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| 04:18.03 | DawnLight | thats part of the thing |
| 04:18.23 | DawnLight | and i think pppoe gives it orders or something |
| 04:18.49 | DawnLight | kde has a gui for this but it just won't load up |
| 04:19.02 | DawnLight | funky business |
| 04:19.10 | Azar | nice sum-up of sound problems in Debian: http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/05/sound_problems.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Sound+problems |
| 04:19.22 | Azar | I never remember all checkups |
| 04:19.49 | Dewi | DawnLight: I think the daemon just gets started - or at least signalled to dial up - when interface ppp0 comes up. And then the if-up and if-down scripts get run where appropriate. |
| 04:20.14 | Dewi | DawnLight: linux does a much better NAT than those crappy modem things; it's worth running PPP in linux even though it's a bit of a mess |
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| 04:21.26 | DawnLight | if your modem can do dhcp spoofing then you can let it do the dialing and your box gets the ip |
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| 04:22.17 | DawnLight | but if you have an old alcatel speedtouch home then don't even think about it |
| 04:22.40 | DawnLight | :p |
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| 04:41.59 | Vasistha | remarkable! I've been totally wasting my time compiling my own kernel since I moved to 2.6.18. The stock kernel just works. yay! |
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| 04:51.44 | libervisco | Hi |
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| 04:53.40 | tvn | i am trying to use cdrecord on sarge but it keeps complaining "Cannot open SCSI driver!" --- i didn't compile the kernel manually |
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| 04:59.29 | libervisco | I'm getting this exact thing in Debian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/81915/comments/23 |
| 04:59.35 | AndroidData | Appearantly I have 15 mins to get my printer working, or my dad says he'll pull the plug. WHy? Because I switched from using Windows to Linux so Linux can act as a server. |
| 04:59.54 | libervisco | and I can't use my usb modem because of it.. |
| 05:00.14 | AndroidData | I went to "Printing" using GNOME and added the printer, it's a Laserjet 4L |
| 05:00.17 | Vasistha | libervisco: what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:00.32 | libervisco | Vasistha: lenny |
| 05:00.37 | AndroidData | Question: where is the printer usually located in /dev? |
| 05:00.52 | AndroidData | ?? |
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| 05:01.54 | jetscreamer | lp0 maybe |
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| 05:02.00 | erikh | any rubygems users in here? |
| 05:02.04 | libervisco | it detects the usb modem and then disconnects it again :\ |
| 05:02.09 | libervisco | why? |
| 05:02.15 | libervisco | that's not right.. |
| 05:02.16 | Vasistha | AndroidData: lp0, but if it's connected via usb, it might not be ... try lsusb |
| 05:02.37 | Vasistha | erikh: #ruby ? |
| 05:02.53 | erikh | Vasistha: I'm having a debian specific issue and getting ruby help. :) |
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| 05:03.09 | erikh | otherwise, yes, that'd be the first place i'd turn |
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| 05:04.23 | Vasistha | !tell erikh -about anybody |
| 05:04.51 | erikh | ok, fine then. |
| 05:05.13 | erikh | where does rubygems install it's wrapper binaries on debian? because it doesn't do anything like any other system in existence. |
| 05:05.17 | erikh | clear enough? |
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| 05:05.37 | jetscreamer | man locate ? |
| 05:05.50 | jetscreamer | guess not |
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| 05:06.17 | AndroidData | OK, so the printer is added via "Printing" |
| 05:06.39 | AndroidData | and /dev/lp0 is has a black background & yellow text. I assume this to be a "doesn't exist" state |
| 05:06.42 | AndroidData | ? |
| 05:06.55 | libervisco | hm |
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| 05:08.36 | Vasistha | AndroidData: no, that means it's block or character device |
| 05:08.37 | Vasistha | AndroidData: if you are using udev, then the fact that it exists there is a good sign that it might be what you're looking for |
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| 05:10.38 | Vasistha | AndroidData: why don't you tell him, "I don't know if I'll be able to get this working in 15 minutes, but why don't we dual boot for a while, and if I can get everything configured properly to your liking, maybe we can try this again?" |
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| 05:13.50 | AndroidData | for one I don't have the space |
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| 05:13.55 | AndroidData | I used up all my partitions on Linux |
| 05:14.16 | AndroidData | I never intended to dual-boot to Windows, I had QEMU ready for this. |
| 05:14.24 | AndroidData | Plus, he's dangerous when he's tense |
| 05:14.27 | Vasistha | but qemu probably doesn't help print :P |
| 05:14.30 | AndroidData | when he's stressed |
| 05:14.36 | AndroidData | I dunnop |
| 05:14.49 | AndroidData | I figured if I could link it to the port the printers' on |
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| 05:15.41 | libervisco | so are there any ideas regarding the usb device disconnection problem? |
| 05:15.43 | Vasistha | I've dual booted with a 6 GB hard drive, and that was only a couple years ago. I bet you could arrange a dual boot |
| 05:15.54 | libervisco | (immediately after proper detection and connection)? |
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| 05:16.23 | Vasistha | libervisco: I can't read your pastebin, it puts menus on top of the pasted text. |
| 05:16.51 | libervisco | Vasistha: a sec |
| 05:17.15 | Takieda | I've got a few problems with input devices on my system... my wacom digitizer doesn't work, and I was told to use setserial to get it working (the driver seems to be installed), and second, my synaptics touchpad barely works... only moves and left and right mouse button works (no left mouse click on touchpad tap, nor any way to make the cursor any faster).. any ideas? |
| 05:17.21 | Vasistha | libervisco: not necessarily worth fixing for little 'ol me, tho' |
| 05:17.37 | libervisco | http://pastebin.ca/470264 |
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| 05:18.01 | nvz | did anyone by chance see me just get killed? |
| 05:18.26 | Peacimowen | just? |
| 05:18.38 | Takieda | I'm running a tablet pc (Toshiba M200), and the website suggests everything should work, but the setserial command doesn't. |
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| 05:18.41 | nvz | yeah I just killed myself someone was apparently using my nick. |
| 05:18.46 | nvz | I guess they werent in here |
| 05:19.00 | Peacimowen | nope |
| 05:19.10 | Vasistha | libervisco: curious, is this a braille terminal you're trying to get working? |
| 05:19.23 | Vasistha | nvz: are you sure it wasn't just a ghost, from a bad disconnect? |
| 05:19.41 | libervisco | Vasistha: it's an usb modem |
| 05:19.52 | libervisco | for EDGE (GPRS+) |
| 05:20.02 | shadow- | i got the fglrx driver installed, but when i start beryl i get this error: |
| 05:20.03 | Vasistha | libervisco: I was just lookin' at the 'brltty' thing ... hum. |
| 05:20.03 | shadow- | http://pastie.caboo.se/private/g6xed2mj3rth5agxaa |
| 05:20.27 | nvz | Vasistha: yes 01:16 -!- Irssi: Your nick is owned by nobody [i=a@cpe-24-24-93-5.stny.res.rr.com] |
| 05:20.50 | nvz | Vasistha: thats not my host name |
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| 05:20.57 | libervisco | Vasistha: the point is.. once it properly detects and connects, it should disconnect it.. I wonder why does it do that (doesn't make much sense) |
| 05:21.06 | Vasistha | nvz: sounds like a good time to change your password |
| 05:21.12 | nvz | Vasistha: whoever it is seems to have my password :P |
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| 05:22.03 | AndroidData | um |
| 05:22.10 | AndroidData | Apt wants to remove util-linux |
| 05:22.16 | AndroidData | and tzdata |
| 05:22.23 | AndroidData | it tells me I'm doing something potentially dangerous |
| 05:22.26 | AndroidData | ?? |
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| 05:22.29 | Vasistha | nvz: I don't have any stny.res.rr in my logs |
| 05:22.59 | Vasistha | AndroidData: why don't you pastebin the entire output ... and also, your input line |
| 05:23.01 | jimmybgood | during an update does dpkg remove first and then install or vice versa? |
| 05:23.16 | nvz | Vasistha: I've noticed various bots probing my apache, but none matching that :P |
| 05:23.25 | Vasistha | jimmybgood: usually removes first, I think, but it depends on the dependencies |
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| 05:23.49 | AndroidData | http://pastebin.ca/470286 |
| 05:24.13 | AndroidData | it seems to do this if I try to install any package; it happened to me ysterday |
| 05:24.19 | jimmybgood | Vasistha: yeah, my system got left in an unbootable state during an update as a bmp file in /boot was missing |
| 05:24.59 | jimmybgood | I don't know if it's a bug in cryptsetup lilo or dpkg |
| 05:25.17 | Vasistha | AndroidData: don't do that. I think you need to do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; and then install your package |
| 05:26.08 | Takieda | any way to get setserial on my system? |
| 05:26.13 | nvz | well in any case i can't for the life of me figure out why there is no sound comming out of either outputs on this sblive all of a sudden. I maxed the mixer and I'm not getting squat. it's allowing me to record. i can see the waves in audacity. |
| 05:26.48 | Takieda | heh, nevermind. |
| 05:26.49 | AndroidData | ok fixed |
| 05:28.51 | Vasistha | libervisco: wish I had a better idea what to do. Have you done a google.com/linux search for your device model number? |
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| 05:29.32 | libervisco | Vasistha: I'm googling for a while now |
| 05:29.45 | libervisco | but this device has been working on GNU/Linux for a long time now |
| 05:29.56 | libervisco | so this is a newly introduced issue on debian and related distros |
| 05:30.03 | libervisco | apparently |
| 05:30.17 | Vasistha | libervisco: could it be the kernel? |
| 05:30.57 | Vasistha | libervisco: when a device is working, and it stops working in a newer environment, I tend to think the driver is no longer compatible with a newer kernel |
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| 05:32.39 | Takieda | okay, now trying to use setserial on my device, but it says "/dev/tts/0: No such file or directory" |
| 05:32.52 | Takieda | any way to find my device so that I can address it correctly with setserial? |
| 05:32.55 | blenna | i have a permissions script i want to run @ boot and when i shutdown/restart. how would i go about do this? can i just stick the script in the /etc/init.d dir? |
| 05:33.11 | Vasistha | Takieda: lsdev ? |
| 05:33.49 | Vasistha | Takieda: actually, I guess that doesn't help that much :P |
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| 05:34.32 | liberfiasco | Vasistha: yeah I guess it could be the kernel, but.. it shouldn't, and there must be a way to fix it |
| 05:34.34 | Takieda | vasistha: lspci isn't even listing it... I thought I'd seen it before though. |
| 05:34.37 | benje | Takieda, it isn't /dev/tty0 ? |
| 05:34.39 | liberfiasco | I mean.. this is happening ins table too |
| 05:34.52 | Vasistha | blenna: it needs to be symlinked in one or more of the /etc/rc[0-6S].d dirs. What is this script supposed to do, though? |
| 05:35.13 | Takieda | benje: "Cannot get serial info: Invalid argument |
| 05:35.35 | blenna | Vasistha: this script will change permissions (chmod) and ower ship of a given directory |
| 05:35.37 | benje | serial ttys0 much see in you're /dev directory |
| 05:35.50 | Takieda | benje: what do you mean? |
| 05:35.55 | Vasistha | blenna: why would you need to do that? |
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| 05:36.34 | Vasistha | blenna: I ask because, setting it once should be enough; you shouldn't need to re-set it on every boot |
| 05:36.41 | benje | Takieda, there no directory called /dev/tty/ |
| 05:37.14 | blenna | Vasistha: new files are downloaded so that messes some of the permissions |
| 05:37.41 | Vasistha | blenna: ah, well then you should fix your umask and sticky bits, rather than using this hack ;) |
| 05:37.53 | Takieda | yes, there is... there's one listed as /dev/tty0/ as well, but the command "setserial /dev/tts/0 port 0x338 autoconfig" and setserial /dev/tty0 port 0x338 autoconfig" both have problems. |
| 05:38.20 | blenna | Vasistha: yeah but wine has no umask settings |
| 05:40.03 | benje | Takieda, try this "setserial /dev/ttys0 port 0x338 autoconfig |
| 05:40.15 | Vasistha | blenna: hum. Have you asked the #wine folks? Also, have you tried using sticky bits, so that you won't have to change ownership? |
| 05:40.21 | benje | tty it's terminal ttys serail terminal Takieda |
| 05:40.43 | Vasistha | AndroidData: how's it going there? it's been quite a bit longer than 15 minutes, now |
| 05:41.00 | blenna | Vasistha: yeah i did. > nada | i think i should do this in cron thou |
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| 05:43.33 | Vasistha | blenna: I'm curious to know now, how are these files being saved, and how would you like them to be saved? |
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| 05:48.17 | Takieda | benje: the first one you mentioned didn't work.. no such file or directory |
| 05:48.29 | Takieda | and what did you mean by "tty it's terminal ttys serial terminal Takieda"? |
| 05:49.02 | benje | the devices "tty" is for terminal Takieda |
| 05:49.19 | Takieda | okay. |
| 05:49.26 | benje | ttys for serail terminal ( serial port) |
| 05:49.42 | Takieda | I'm wondering if it's possible my device just isn't being detected by Debian |
| 05:50.05 | benje | Takieda, no i don't think for serial port |
| 05:50.19 | benje | Takieda, do you try ttys0 |
| 05:50.28 | benje | or ttys1 |
| 05:50.36 | benje | Takieda, dmesg | grep tty |
| 05:50.48 | benje | and you will see if the kernel see it |
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| 05:52.17 | Takieda | I keep getting "no such file or directory" |
| 05:53.05 | Takieda | okay.. it was ttyS0 (with the big letter S) |
| 05:54.01 | Takieda | and crud... that didn't seem to do anything... |
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| 05:54.17 | litage | is there a tool that can be run on a box to help determine which kernel settings should compiled in, modularised, or disabled? |
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| 05:58.06 | Vasistha | litage: the advice we usually give here is: just run the stock kernel |
| 05:59.59 | litage | Vasistha: that advice is meant more for the "general public" or a "standard workstation" though, isn't it? |
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| 06:00.45 | litage | Vasistha: i didn't specify this with my initial question, but i'm asking wrt a collection of homogeneous servers that will soon go into a production env |
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| 06:01.43 | Vasistha | litage: honestly ... unless you for some reason have need to save 15 MB, or want to save 5 seconds or so in your bootup process, it's probably not going to make a difference. And if you ever end up changing hardware in the future, you'll be glad to have the stock kernel. |
| 06:01.53 | Vasistha | litage: and by 15 MB I mean disk space |
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| 06:02.02 | litage | hrmmm |
| 06:02.25 | litage | Vasistha: thanks, i'll take that into consideration |
| 06:03.32 | Vasistha | litage: the kernel auto-detects the present hardware, and loads the appropriate modules ... it doesn't take very long to do it; it does it very reliably; the resulting footprint is not noticably larger in most cases; the kernel works basically just as fast with modules as with built-ins, once it's booted ... there's just not much reason to roll your own, in most cases. |
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| 06:06.20 | cplx_ | can someone please assist.. i have a name server, its working fine. i make changes to it, change the serial to "2007353005" and then do "rndc reload" the changes are working internally.. but not propagating outside my network.. its only for this A record |
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| 06:07.01 | Vasistha | cplx_: don't name server propagations usually take a few days? |
| 06:07.12 | mynullvoid | how can I change my computer year? I use date in shell but no year there? |
| 06:07.51 | Vasistha | mynullvoid: man date |
| 06:07.55 | Takieda | I installed apt-get wacom-tools and can't find where it installed it to to use them. where would I find stuff that apt-get installs? |
| 06:08.45 | Vasistha | Takieda: well, you can always do a dpkg -c on the .deb package, something like dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/wacom-tools_version_arch.deb |
| 06:10.11 | cplx_ | Vasistha: no? depends on the refresh/TTL values..? |
| 06:10.17 | cplx_ | can someone please assist.. i have a name server, its working fine. i make changes to it, change the serial to "2007353005" and then do "rndc reload" the changes are working internally.. but not propagating outside my network.. its only for this A record |
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| 06:16.06 | sep | hello. today i found my webservers nonresponding, i had to kill the remaining apache proces manualy to get it to restart sanely. My error.log was full of lines that saied "sh: line 1: sysctl: command not found" no timestamp or nothing, just that line repeated a lot. anyone have clues to what might have been going on ? |
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| 06:18.40 | Takieda | all the files it found are files that either debian doesn't recognize, or .gz files containing files that debian doesn't recognize. |
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| 06:25.55 | cplx_ | can someone please assist.. i have a name server, its working fine. i make changes to it, change the serial to "2007353005" and then do "rndc reload" the changes are working internally.. but not propagating outside my network.. its only for this A record |
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| 06:28.12 | sep | cplx_, did you increase the serialnumber ie what was it before you changed it ? |
| 06:28.37 | sep | and are that server the official dns server for your domain ? |
| 06:28.40 | cafuego | what kind of weeird serial number is that anyway? |
| 06:29.10 | bwlang | i just put 2 more gig of ram into my server... but linux is only recognizing 3.5G? total (should be 4) do i need to reconfigure something to get access to the rest of the ram? |
| 06:29.24 | sep | cafuego, i thought so too, but i once worked on a novel dns server and thatone had several hundreds ++1's a day so a sane serial was impossible |
| 06:30.01 | sep | bwlang, tried the smp kernels ? |
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| 06:30.27 | bwlang | sep: Linux godzilla 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 06:30.41 | cafuego | sep: eww |
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| 06:31.08 | spacefrog | does anyone know how to print a PDF file (to my printer) via the shell? |
| 06:31.18 | sep | cafuego, yes exactly |
| 06:31.45 | sep | spacefrog, pdf2ps ? |
| 06:32.01 | sep | tehn pipe it to lpr or something |
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| 06:32.29 | sep | nobody have a clue about my apache question up there ?? ^ |
| 06:32.33 | cplx_ | sep: i forget what it was before, does it matter? |
| 06:32.44 | sep | cplx_, as long as it grows it's ok |
| 06:32.59 | sep | cplx_, do you use notify ? |
| 06:33.09 | sep | cplx_, are your dns server the autorative for your domain ? |
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| 06:33.52 | cplx_ | sep, yes.. how do I do a notify to the other name servers? |
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| 06:35.44 | libervisco | Hello |
| 06:36.05 | cplx_ | sep: ?? |
| 06:36.08 | libervisco | On 64bit Debian lenny, do I have to enter special repository lines in source.list? |
| 06:36.09 | sep | cplx_, it would happen automaticaly if you had configured it when you installed your master and slave dns server |
| 06:36.39 | benje | Takieda, all that is to get wacom works ? |
| 06:36.42 | sep | cplx_, idf you dont have notify your slave server will wait for refresh seconds before checking with master |
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| 06:37.55 | cplx_ | allow-update { none; }; |
| 06:37.55 | cplx_ | allow-transfer { 167.30.10.100; 202.1.29.105; 192.147.114.30; }; |
| 06:38.25 | cplx_ | there is no "notify" rule in my named.conf for this zone |
| 06:38.27 | cplx_ | or any |
| 06:39.06 | sep | cplx_, you should have notify yes; in named.options |
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| 06:39.13 | cplx_ | should I add it to the config |
| 06:39.21 | cplx_ | where is named.options? /var/named? |
| 06:39.46 | sep | aer you useing bind9 ? |
| 06:40.00 | sep | sorry it's named.conf.options |
| 06:40.11 | sep | and it's in /etc/bind on sarge |
| 06:40.12 | cplx_ | yes bind9 |
| 06:40.38 | cplx_ | sep; there is no named.conf.options |
| 06:41.21 | sep | cplx_, are you on sarge or etch ? |
| 06:41.33 | benje | in zone add notify yes; |
| 06:41.33 | benje | also-notify { IP_of_server_to_notify; }; |
| 06:41.58 | cplx_ | benje, below allow-update can i put that? |
| 06:42.01 | sep | benje, pointless. it will automatiacly notify all NS servers in the zone |
| 06:42.05 | benje | in named.conf.local |
| 06:42.24 | sep | that's to notify additional servers you might have that are not listed as authorative NS's in the zone |
| 06:42.46 | benje | oki sep |
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| 06:43.10 | benje | cplx_, in declaration of zone not in options |
| 06:43.10 | sep | cplx_, are you on sarge or etch ? ? i start to think that you realy don't want any help if you'r unable to answer simple questions. |
| 06:43.11 | cplx_ | sep: i have 2 authoritive NS's in the zone.. this name server and another, when i do a dig at the other name server it doesnt pickup the changes |
| 06:43.16 | cplx_ | so the problem lies between here and the other name server |
| 06:44.02 | sep | cplx_, so enable notify with notify yes in named.conf.options |
| 06:44.18 | cplx_ | sep, there is only named.conf |
| 06:44.22 | cplx_ | it has everything in there.. |
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| 06:44.38 | cplx_ | just add also-notify { IP } |
| 06:44.46 | sep | and check the slave server config that masters {ip} is correct |
| 06:44.53 | cplx_ | for the particular zones |
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| 06:45.09 | sep | cplx_, that's for notifying additional servers in addtion to the ones listed as NS's |
| 06:45.28 | xq | anyone using a good/excellent wifi router in their home or office with a recommendation? 200 - 400 $ range, I guess. Just like advanced options :) Maybe 8 ports (can go with 4 wired ports if need be though, I have switches) |
| 06:45.33 | cplx_ | sep, can I add "also-notify {IP} in named.conf under the particular domain zone i want |
| 06:45.52 | cplx_ | xq: Cisco 857W ;D (If your on ADSL) |
| 06:45.57 | sep | you must also have allow-transfer {ip of slaves }; in named.cnof.option |
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| 06:46.05 | xq | cplx_: thanks |
| 06:46.14 | cplx_ | sep: I dont have named.conf.options !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 06:46.18 | cplx_ | only named.conf |
| 06:46.18 | cplx_ | ! |
| 06:46.19 | xq | yeah, using ADSL at the moment but doesn't matter either way usually |
| 06:46.26 | sep | cplx_, so are you on sarge or etch ? |
| 06:46.32 | cplx_ | sarge |
| 06:46.33 | cplx_ | 3.1 |
| 06:46.45 | sep | but you are not using bind9 package ? |
| 06:46.50 | xq | i've never heard of named.conf.options? |
| 06:46.55 | cplx_ | It is bind 9 |
| 06:47.04 | sep | but not the official package ? |
| 06:47.24 | cplx_ | ..as far as I know it is..? apt-get install bind? |
| 06:47.24 | cplx_ | ... |
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| 06:47.25 | sep | you comiled from source ? |
| 06:47.34 | cplx_ | apt-get install bind |
| 06:47.35 | sep | that's bind8 |
| 06:47.38 | sep | afaik |
| 06:47.46 | cplx_ | don't think so.. |
| 06:48.01 | cplx_ | I think it's bind9 |
| 06:48.17 | sep | on sarge bind9 is called bind9 |
| 06:48.20 | sep | bind = bind8 |
| 06:48.39 | xq | uhm |
| 06:48.44 | xq | what is trying to be done? ;) |
| 06:49.04 | cplx_ | sep: heere is the zone i want to get updated okay. in named.conf |
| 06:49.06 | cplx_ | zone "DOMAIN NAME" IN { |
| 06:49.08 | cplx_ | type master; |
| 06:49.10 | cplx_ | file "master/DOMAIN NAME"; |
| 06:49.12 | cplx_ | allow-update { none; }; |
| 06:49.14 | cplx_ | allow-transfer { IP; IP; IP; }; |
| 06:49.16 | cplx_ | }; |
| 06:49.18 | xq | updated where? |
| 06:49.34 | xq | You need a zone updated...where? Reload bind |
| 06:49.40 | sep | cplx_, well i have been giving you bind9 info. since you said you was running bind9. but when your bunning bind8 it's a different thing |
| 06:49.48 | xq | Locally or on your network -- just reload bind |
| 06:49.58 | cplx_ | xq; done that.. i've changed the serial and the other servers arent picking up the new A record |
| 06:50.09 | xq | On your internal network? |
| 06:50.24 | xq | One new A record or all records? |
| 06:50.28 | cplx_ | xq: everything on the internal network is picking up the A record change, but not externally |
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| 06:50.35 | xq | ah |
| 06:50.39 | cplx_ | xq: just one, its been over 24 hours |
| 06:50.41 | xq | So root servers have not updated |
| 06:50.45 | xq | hmm |
| 06:50.48 | xq | Weird |
| 06:51.01 | cplx_ | xq: yeah, will it matter what serial I have ? |
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| 06:51.59 | sep | cplx_, why does it say DOMAIN NAME in your paste ? |
| 06:52.10 | xq | the serial number shouldn't matter |
| 06:52.23 | sep | cplx_, the whole point of dns is to make things visible so obfuscatnig them is plain stupid |
| 06:52.26 | xq | is it a parent/master ns? |
| 06:52.31 | Takieda | benje: sorry, didn't notice your last message... and yes, everything I'm doing right now is to get the Wacom Digitizer working on my tabletpc |
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| 06:53.54 | benje | Takieda, do you read french ? |
| 06:54.16 | benje | Takieda, do you install wacomm tools and xserver input |
| 06:54.32 | xq | do you have a named.conf.local? |
| 06:54.36 | xq | in /etc/bind/ ? |
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| 06:55.01 | benje | do you good configure the x config ? Takieda |
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| 06:55.23 | benje | you can read the doc in /usr/share/doc/wacom... Takieda |
| 06:55.50 | cplx_ | xq: master |
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| 06:56.12 | cplx_ | sep: because its a confidential domain name... |
| 06:56.12 | xq | for the zone in question zone "domain.foo" { ..... } |
| 06:56.17 | xq | do you have a notify line? |
| 06:56.30 | xq | type master; |
| 06:56.39 | xq | file "whatever.domain.foo.db"; |
| 06:56.42 | xq | notify yes; |
| 06:56.44 | xq | }; |
| 06:57.14 | cplx_ | nope |
| 06:57.27 | cplx_ | no notify line in named.conf for any of the domains |
| 06:57.29 | xq | can you add the notify yes line inside the dns zone? |
| 06:57.45 | cplx_ | yep 1 sec |
| 06:57.53 | xq | and reload, just see what happens |
| 06:58.11 | xq | A records should be instantaneous after reloads really |
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| 06:58.24 | benje | i give you config in french in ubuntu but it's the same Takieda |
| 06:58.34 | xq | Specially if domain is already functioning correctly at internet/root level |
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| 06:58.55 | benje | Takieda, http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/wacom there the express key if you need it too |
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| 06:59.39 | cplx_ | xq: heres the part of the config |
| 06:59.40 | cplx_ | zone "exmaple.example.com" IN { |
| 06:59.42 | cplx_ | type master; |
| 06:59.44 | cplx_ | file "master/exmaple.example.com"; |
| 06:59.46 | cplx_ | allow-update { none; }; |
| 06:59.48 | cplx_ | notify yes; |
| 06:59.50 | cplx_ | allow-transfer { xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx; }; |
| 06:59.52 | cplx_ | }; |
| 06:59.54 | flart | has anybody build a mirror with reprepro with sarge and etch in the same pool-tree? |
| 06:59.58 | cafuego | ah |
| 07:00.02 | flart | i just don't get it running |
| 07:00.05 | xq | save that and reload |
| 07:00.08 | artagnon | I have no issues with switching between nice WMs like fluxbox and wmii. All I do is update-alternatives. But for some reason, I'm unable to switch from KDE even though my symlink /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager points to a different WM |
| 07:00.12 | cplx_ | xq: roger |
| 07:00.19 | artagnon | I initate X with the startx script |
| 07:00.30 | benje | Takieda, docs in english http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/doc |
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| 07:00.31 | artagnon | and figured that it reads only the symlink in /etc/alternatives/ |
| 07:00.37 | artagnon | to find out which WM to start |
| 07:00.44 | muhoo | how can one find out which modules were loaded by the initrd? |
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| 07:01.04 | muhoo | will they show up in /proc/modules and lsmod? or, if they were loaded by initrd, will they not show up there? |
| 07:01.54 | xq | did you check out /etc/mkinitrd/modules? |
| 07:01.55 | sontag | hello |
| 07:02.10 | xq | or did you just use a precompiled image/install? |
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| 07:02.26 | sontag | someone know about usermin under sarge? |
| 07:02.36 | muhoo | heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHCI |
| 07:02.54 | sontag | I can't find the create user under webmin |
| 07:03.02 | xq | if they are loaded they should show up in lsmod |
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| 07:03.52 | cafuego | sontag: webmin > system > users/groups |
| 07:04.07 | xq | ^^ under sarge |
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| 07:04.52 | xq | anyone in here running on a z60 (or nearby) Lenovo? ;p |
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| 07:05.05 | xq | cplx_: Did the reload work? Also, which router did you recommend? |
| 07:05.14 | cheshire314 | hi everybody |
| 07:05.23 | sontag | cafuego, it isn't here with sarge |
| 07:05.25 | xq | I might just get a decent router without wi-fi and hook up a wi-fi hub ;p |
| 07:05.35 | sontag | that is why i ask |
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| 07:08.24 | cheshire314 | is there any drupal user in here? |
| 07:09.01 | GutterPunk | Hi. I'm thinking about chrooting my Apache2 installation. It seems quite easy to do for just a few VirtualHosts and a bunch of static pages. Does anyone in here do this sort of thing for multiple (150+) VirtualHosts, using php, cgi and the sorts, and can anyone point me to a good howto on the subject? |
| 07:09.51 | xq | the gentoo-wiki.com has a good doc on that, Gutter |
| 07:09.52 | xq | tbh |
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| 07:10.47 | GutterPunk | xq, are you referring to: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Apache_chroot:_the_mod_security_way? |
| 07:10.58 | xq | yeah and the root document |
| 07:11.04 | artagnon | I'm unable to change my X window manager. What am I doing wrong in changing the symlink /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager? |
| 07:11.10 | artagnon | I'm unable to switch from KDE |
| 07:11.11 | cplx_ | xq: yeah working now, thanks mate.. |
| 07:11.12 | xq | gentoo-wiki.com/Apache2_Install |
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| 07:11.27 | xq | cplx_: That was easy ;) |
| 07:11.34 | cplx_ | xq: Im a cisco fan.. very reliable etc etc.. u can prob find a decent ADSL one for 100-500 |
| 07:11.39 | GutterPunk | xq, thanks, I'll read it. Too bad it's just not a debian howto :) |
| 07:11.53 | xq | cplx_: Which router did you recommend? Might get a wifi router or might just get a wired one and then a cheap-o hub wifi one heh |
| 07:11.56 | cplx_ | xq: depending on what features etc u want and waht service u have.. if its just ADSL AnnexA u can get a 827 or whatever.. cheap on EBAY |
| 07:12.03 | xq | gutterpunk: Yeah, we're working on it ;) |
| 07:12.36 | cplx_ | xq: appreciate your help dude, good person to work with |
| 07:12.42 | xq | have a great night |
| 07:13.19 | cplx_ | you too mate. |
| 07:13.37 | muhoo | he mapping (same as routing or redirecting) of interrupts to ISA interrupts is done by either a "programmable interrupt router" or by and APIC. Both can be programmed by the BIOS or Linux. |
| 07:13.41 | muhoo | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-7.html |
| 07:13.51 | muhoo | ok... that's tantalizing, but HOW can one program the APIC from linux? |
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| 07:14.14 | sontag | ? |
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| 07:14.21 | muhoo | ""Both can be programmed by the BIOS or Linux." ok, great. how |
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| 07:15.02 | muhoo | i don't like how the bios routes interrupts (too many shared interrupts). i want to change that by controlling the APIC, since the bios doesn't offer me the capability to change it |
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| 07:15.54 | Dewi | muhoo: presumably in the PnP code in the kernel? |
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| 07:16.11 | Takieda | thanks benje |
| 07:16.33 | Dewi | muhoo: that statement doesn't say that *you* can reprogram the APIC; just that linux does :P |
| 07:17.01 | Dewi | muhoo: I don't know what level of control you, the user, has |
| 07:17.19 | muhoo | heh, yeah, but if linux can control it, i can control linux :-) |
| 07:17.35 | muhoo | just gotta find out where, and how. |
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| 07:21.43 | muhoo | ah, i found it, and it sucks |
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| 07:21.54 | muhoo | pirq=16,18,19,23 |
| 07:22.20 | muhoo | linux (and me) can tell the apic which pirq lines to route to which interrupt numbers, but that's useless |
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| 07:26.07 | liable | D-lined? |
| 07:27.06 | muhoo | you know what's making me crazy right now? |
| 07:27.14 | libervisco | When I put deb http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib in sources.list, it will download 64bit packages, right? |
| 07:27.22 | libervisco | if I'm running an amd64? |
| 07:27.39 | muhoo | figuring out the mapping of where-in-make-menuconfig something is, vs its CONFIG_FOO line in .config, versus the goddamned name of the module (i.e. "libata") |
| 07:28.00 | maddash | muhoo: press "/" |
| 07:28.04 | muhoo | so, for example, where in menuconfig is libata |
| 07:28.22 | muhoo | maddash: really? a search feature in menuconfig? cool |
| 07:28.29 | muhoo | that's new |
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| 07:29.03 | liable | no it aint |
| 07:29.03 | sadfxxa | I want to do netstat but I don't want all of the sockets, I just want the internet connections. Is there a parameter I can pass to get this? |
| 07:29.25 | muhoo | liable: maddash: "No matches found." |
| 07:29.43 | muhoo | liable: "new" means, added within the last 3-4 years |
| 07:29.44 | jeremyb | sadfxxa: --ip |
| 07:29.47 | muhoo | to me, anyway |
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| 07:30.22 | maddash | muhoo: consider searching, "ata" |
| 07:30.25 | sadfxxa | jeremyb, thank you. : ) |
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| 07:30.43 | muhoo | maddash: already did that, yep, that's better |
| 07:30.53 | muhoo | but! |
| 07:31.02 | muhoo | it still doesn't tell me the name of the driver |
| 07:31.14 | muhoo | i.e. ATA_GENERIC... what's the name of the driver? |
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| 07:32.14 | libervisco | right guys? |
| 07:32.16 | libervisco | :P |
| 07:32.17 | maddash | muhoo: press "h" |
| 07:32.26 | libervisco | I just need a quick yes or no |
| 07:32.36 | maddash | libervisco: don't be idiotic |
| 07:32.40 | muhoo | or, if i was looking for what Symbol was for the libata module... |
| 07:33.06 | muhoo | maddash: h just gives me general help on menuconfig, doesn't answer this question |
| 07:33.26 | maddash | muhoo: select that config option and hit "h" |
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| 07:34.09 | NetEcho | http://ww2.jwjkp.com/pics/whatisit.jpg <-- Can anyone guess what it is |
| 07:34.14 | muhoo | maddash: for 50 of them? |
| 07:34.52 | maddash | muhoo: use fucking google, then. |
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| 07:35.08 | muhoo | maddash: "h" for an option still doesn't show me the name of it |
| 07:35.13 | muhoo | maddash: even better, i'll use grep |
| 07:35.21 | maddash | h3xis: wow, shouldn't you be asleep by now? |
| 07:36.13 | h3xis | :p |
| 07:36.15 | h3xis | nope |
| 07:36.38 | w00ka | NetEcho: it is some kind of a huge coffie machine (: |
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| 07:37.10 | NetEcho | w00ka not even close |
| 07:37.21 | maddash | NetEcho: human recycler |
| 07:37.33 | NetEcho | even further |
| 07:37.43 | NetEcho | 5mb HDD from the 50s |
| 07:38.01 | w00ka | lol |
| 07:38.20 | NetEcho | yea |
| 07:38.24 | NetEcho | I guessed it first time |
| 07:38.25 | NetEcho | well |
| 07:38.34 | NetEcho | I was like looks like a module from an old Eniac |
| 07:38.37 | NetEcho | probably a HDD |
| 07:38.40 | NetEcho | and I was right |
| 07:38.54 | xq | you're sp3cial |
| 07:38.55 | xq | heh |
| 07:38.57 | maddash | oh shoot, I saw the pic in my comp history class |
| 07:38.59 | muhoo | grep says: |
| 07:39.00 | muhoo | Makefile:obj-$(CONFIG_ATA)+= libata.o |
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| 07:39.08 | NetEcho | I just know my history |
| 07:39.10 | xq | scrapetorrent.com > * |
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| 07:39.16 | NetEcho | and am very lucky |
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| 07:40.15 | xq | i think i am going to order some cheap ole' laptop or pc just to sit around as a torrent box/file server hmm |
| 07:40.24 | xq | as long as it can house a few hard drives, i'm cool |
| 07:40.33 | xq | lalala ebay.com here i come |
| 07:41.04 | maddash | the problem with a "cheap ole' pc" is that it tends to guzzle power like an SUV |
| 07:41.11 | xq | true |
| 07:41.18 | xq | i need to figure out something ;p |
| 07:41.35 | w00ka | "Replacing a bad tube meant checking among ENIAC's 19,000 possibilities." |
| 07:41.37 | xq | i currently use my laptop and main pc and they constantly have files going everywhere on another deskspace/terminal |
| 07:41.44 | xq | i kind of want a dedicated box just for file crap |
| 07:43.22 | xq | **thinks** do any of you have a dedicated box/laptop/anything for file transferring/file serving? |
| 07:43.31 | xq | or just use your daily pcs? |
| 07:43.42 | maddash | what's wrong with the "daily pcs"? |
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| 07:44.32 | muhoo | the magic key to find the CONFIG option from the name of a module is this: |
| 07:44.48 | muhoo | find /usr/src/linux/ -name Makefile -exec grep CONFIG {} \; |grep "nameofmodule" |
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| 07:45.24 | maddash | muhoo: kudos. |
| 07:45.43 | xq | maddash: just wanted a dedicated file server me guess |
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| 07:46.08 | xq | i guess my desktop is that already |
| 07:46.16 | xq | and i barely use it, always on this laptop |
| 07:46.17 | xq | hmm |
| 07:46.33 | muhoo | ! config is to find the name of a CONFIG option from the name of the module, type: find /usr/src/linux/ -name Makefile -exec grep CONFIG {} \; |grep "nameofmodule" |
| 07:46.34 | dpkg | muhoo: okay |
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| 07:46.41 | muhoo | config |
| 07:46.45 | muhoo | !config |
| 07:46.45 | dpkg | somebody said config was to find the name of a CONFIG option from the name of the module, type: find /usr/src/linux/ -name Makefile -exec grep CONFIG {} ; |grep "nameofmodule" |
| 07:46.56 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
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| 07:47.28 | maddash | muhoo: I hope you didn't overwrite anything useful |
| 07:47.43 | maddash | xq: xen. |
| 07:47.49 | hark | a -type f -name Makefile | xargs grep modulename is better :) |
| 07:47.53 | maddash | xq: and LVM. |
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| 07:48.38 | maddash | wtf does `type` do? there's no man page for it |
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| 07:49.28 | liable | its a switch for find.. |
| 07:49.32 | hark | are you sure? ;) |
| 07:49.41 | xq | xen confuses me ;p |
| 07:49.54 | maddash | liable: type `type` in |
| 07:50.32 | liable | well looky there |
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| 07:52.36 | hark | but yes, i mean find obviously:) |
| 07:52.54 | hark | liable: no new ati drivers yet? |
| 07:53.23 | liable | hark: dont think so, i honestly havent looked as i am on dialup atm |
| 07:55.03 | hark | maddash: "type type" |
| 07:55.22 | maddash | hark: psht. `man builtins` |
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| 07:56.29 | maddash | hark: `alias gal=man` |
| 07:57.26 | hark | heh, $type gal gal: not found :( |
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| 08:00.03 | maddash | ugh, radeon driver offers no DRI, so my two hours' worth of work has gone down the drain |
| 08:00.48 | lhadji | except in 2 hours you learned this :) |
| 08:01.43 | maddash | [sigh] |
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| 08:04.13 | karsten | xq: There used to be a great quote about xen back in the day. |
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| 08:04.41 | karsten | xq: Something like "this is software for smart people". |
| 08:04.54 | xq | lol |
| 08:05.09 | xq | i'll just get another cheap box ;p |
| 08:05.22 | xq | same thing as xen but not a virtual thingie ;p |
| 08:05.36 | karsten | It's actually not *that* bad. |
| 08:05.44 | xq | plus i like the hardware |
| 08:05.50 | xq | hehee |
| 08:06.04 | WALoeIII | I've got a really annoying problem: I use Maildirs and when I login via SSH I get a notice that I have "oldmail" or "newmail" not "old mail" or "new mail." As I understand it this is being done by pam_mail, how can I change this typo!? |
| 08:06.07 | xq | minimal cpu resources/footprint? |
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| 08:06.34 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 08:06.35 | xq | how do you guys manage mail across different pcs? i.e. work laptop, home laptop, home pc? |
| 08:06.39 | xq | i guess 'syncing' |
| 08:06.42 | karsten | xq: Pardon? |
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| 08:07.01 | xq | i use one account for mailing lists and sometimes webmail on the other two but would like to be more efficient with clients ;p |
| 08:07.07 | karsten | xq: For my personal mail, I've got one host that gets it, I shell to that via ssh and screen. |
| 08:07.16 | karsten | xq: This irc session's on the same box. |
| 08:07.20 | xq | that's too easy :P |
| 08:07.43 | xq | and i like thunderbird and pop3 gmail |
| 08:07.51 | WALoeIII | xq: http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/ |
| 08:07.57 | karsten | xq: For work, I'm nominally on an exchange server. While I could use IMAP, I prefer fetchmail/apop, allowing me to filter via procmail. Same deal WRT remote access: I shell to the box w/ ssh. |
| 08:08.09 | WALoeIII | and have it all go to the location of your choosing, or you can use Gmail's mailfetcher which is the same thing |
| 08:08.18 | DukeDrake | I'm using a compactflash card as harddrive and as their read and write cycles are limited, I'd like to incorporate a ramdisk... |
| 08:08.21 | WALoeIII | getmail is fetchmail but unborked ;) |
| 08:08.30 | xq | i just don't like getting same messages twice and shuffling through them (or three times) |
| 08:08.31 | DukeDrake | ... which fodlers should I put there? |
| 08:08.35 | DukeDrake | folders |
| 08:08.45 | xq | but i do like having access to all mail on all pcs/laptops if needed |
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| 08:09.50 | karsten | xq: Then don't ;-) |
| 08:10.12 | xq | hehe |
| 08:10.14 | WALoeIII | xq: If you like gmail, just use it and setup its "Mail Fetcher" feature, which is like fetchmail/getmail. Then everything is in one place. It also lets you setup different "outgoing" addresses, just make sure you have your SPF records updated to reflect that you send mail from Google's severs. Wow, I sound like a total fanboi, but Google Apps is nice! |
| 08:10.25 | karsten | xq: IMAP is the usual suggestion in that case. I messed w/ offlineimap and mutt for a while. Problem was I need filtering *way* more than I need universal access. |
| 08:10.31 | xq | just leave mail on server...and go to server if i need a copy of something i've read |
| 08:10.39 | xq | aye, karsten |
| 08:10.44 | xq | same here, filtering > * |
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| 08:10.53 | karsten | xq: And I'm absolutely totally wedded to mutt. |
| 08:11.08 | karsten | xq: every other mail program sucks complete rocks next to it. |
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| 08:11.22 | libervisco | "testing" and "lenny" in repository directories are the same thing, right? |
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| 08:11.38 | maddash | karsten: so does every other mail program suck or rock? |
| 08:12.11 | karsten | maddash: Sucks complete rocks. |
| 08:12.17 | karsten | maddash: Vs. sucking partial rocks. |
| 08:12.22 | karsten | a/k/a sucking pebbles. |
| 08:12.26 | liable | s/rocks/balls/? |
| 08:12.27 | karsten | Through a straw. |
| 08:12.38 | karsten | liable: No, I might actually enjoy that. |
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| 08:13.32 | karsten | liable: Tease! |
| 08:13.52 | liable | its for my sanity |
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| 08:15.31 | xq | lol |
| 08:15.31 | outlaw84 | where can I get older debian packages? |
| 08:15.31 | liable | !sdn |
| 08:15.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 08:15.31 | karsten | outlaw84: backports or snapshots? |
| 08:15.49 | outlaw84 | I am not sure |
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| 08:16.01 | muhoo | these shoes suck. |
| 08:16.02 | xq | mad, stop the homophobia ;p |
| 08:16.04 | outlaw84 | bascially I need to get cups packages for version 1.1 |
| 08:16.04 | muhoo | these shoes rule. |
| 08:16.08 | xq | lol |
| 08:16.14 | xq | these shoes SUCK. |
| 08:16.29 | karsten | xq: rocks? |
| 08:16.34 | muhoo | i laughed for 10 minutes after seeing that video |
| 08:16.45 | karsten | xq: ... or what liable said earlier? |
| 08:16.47 | xq | rocks are cool |
| 08:17.03 | xq | no, mad's quit message |
| 08:17.20 | muhoo | reminds me of when the song "valley girl" first came out. |
| 08:17.39 | maddash | karsten: ..heh. |
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| 08:27.07 | selim | hi, have some strange problems with my apt-get update. It seems that it has some problems getting the update information cause I get an error while updating, this is indipendent from the chosen mirror. It's every time the same error "timeout" but it worked before and I have no firewall which could be a cause for this problem |
| 08:27.29 | selim | if I try a ftp from the same machine to the same mirror it is working without any problems |
| 08:27.35 | maddash | hm, what's the opposite of `dpkg -i [name of deb]`? |
| 08:28.55 | azeem | maddash: apt-get remove <package> |
| 08:29.15 | vchrizz | maddash: dpkg -P <package> |
| 08:29.37 | vchrizz | -P for purging the package, means deleting the configuration as well |
| 08:29.48 | maddash | no, I meant "reversing" a package |
| 08:29.57 | azeem | = |
| 08:29.58 | azeem | ? |
| 08:30.00 | vchrizz | reversing? |
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| 08:31.10 | maddash | azeem, vchrizz: ie, I dpkg -i'ed a certain custom made .deb a month ago, but deleted it. now, I'm about to `aptitude purge [said package]`, but I'd like to leave myself a lifeline to revert my `aptitude purg` |
| 08:31.24 | maddash | purge* |
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| 08:31.33 | Dazgard | hi |
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| 08:31.51 | azeem | maddash: that's not really supported |
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| 08:31.58 | azeem | maddash: but you can try dpkg-repack |
| 08:32.08 | Dazgard | is there a way set proxy configuration (sytem wise) fro debian plz ? |
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| 08:32.20 | azeem | Dazgard: no, applications have to honor |
| 08:32.21 | azeem | it |
| 08:32.33 | maddash | azeem: heh, I knew it was a long shot, but thanks. |
| 08:32.35 | Dazgard | :s |
| 08:32.37 | azeem | Dazgard: most applications honor the http_proxy environment variable |
| 08:32.42 | Dazgard | not cool that's :) |
| 08:32.49 | Dazgard | ok |
| 08:32.55 | azeem | Dazgard: most Gnome and KDE apps honor their Desktop Environment's configuration, respectively |
| 08:33.15 | Dazgard | so have to set HTTP_PROXY and FTP_PROXY, and it's should be ok ? |
| 08:33.33 | azeem | no, http_proxy |
| 08:33.38 | azeem | it's lower case, AFAIK |
| 08:33.38 | Dazgard | it's stupid but it's for a server :s |
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| 08:33.52 | azeem | you can try to set it in /etc/environment then |
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| 08:33.59 | azeem | there's no guarantee, of course |
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| 08:34.04 | Dazgard | ok, cool thanks man |
| 08:34.22 | azeem | I hope apt-get honors it, but I'm not sure |
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| 08:38.05 | formorer | azeem: it does |
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| 08:41.10 | karsten | xq: ?? |
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| 08:41.57 | karsten | Dazgard: You could also define IP filter rules to forward all port 80 traffic through a proxy. |
| 08:42.06 | ma3x | how do I find out the audio card model name? |
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| 08:42.28 | Dazgard | yes, that's an choice choice too :) |
| 08:43.33 | azeem | ma3x: lspci |
| 08:43.57 | ma3x | smbus is that for the audio? |
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| 08:44.25 | selim | no one some idea where could be the problem? |
| 08:44.34 | ma3x | there is Host bridge PCI bridge ISA bridge SMBus Multimedia audio controller |
| 08:44.58 | ma3x | which one of these should list the present model / chipset |
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| 08:45.58 | ma3x | azeem ? |
| 08:46.25 | azeem | ma3x: audio controller maybe? |
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| 08:46.35 | ma3x | azeem, now how do I load the drivers? |
| 08:46.47 | azeem | why do you ask me? |
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| 08:46.55 | alleyoopster | hi all |
| 08:47.04 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 08:47.05 | dpkg | hmm... alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 08:47.12 | Guerin | ma3x: ↑ |
| 08:47.15 | azeem | dpkg: forget alsa for morons |
| 08:47.16 | dpkg | i forgot alsa for morons, azeem |
| 08:47.20 | alleyoopster | is there an official way of attaching long files when adding reports to bugs on debian? |
| 08:47.25 | ma3x | Guerin, I know alsa, but it loads the wrong driver |
| 08:47.26 | Guerin | azeem: ah, back to this again |
| 08:47.29 | azeem | Guerin: yep. |
| 08:47.35 | Guerin | ma3x: tell it to load the right one |
| 08:47.50 | ma3x | I mean that driver works - but aumixer won't open and some applications have problems using the sound |
| 08:47.50 | Guerin | azeem: it'll just get re-made |
| 08:48.06 | ma3x | Guerin, I can't tell it, it doesnt detect it |
| 08:48.07 | Guerin | ma3x: that's usually caused by oss loading at the same time as alsa |
| 08:48.14 | Guerin | ma3x: what sound card? |
| 08:48.16 | karsten | Guerin: Don't. |
| 08:48.18 | azeem | Guerin: then the people who remake it might get dpkg access revoked |
| 08:48.29 | azeem | it's not my call, of course |
| 08:48.31 | alleyoopster | or is sending a standard attachment to the bug email address supported |
| 08:48.32 | Guerin | karsten: i didn't the first time |
| 08:48.38 | karsten | Guerin: Ok. |
| 08:48.50 | karsten | Guerin: If you're fed up enough with moronity on channel, take a break. |
| 08:49.08 | ma3x | Guerin, Guerin 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 08:49.10 | Guerin | this is my point: people know it and will re-create it if it's missing |
| 08:49.24 | karsten | Guerin: moles are among the favorite things to whack around here. |
| 08:49.34 | Guerin | karsten: indeed. |
| 08:49.54 | azeem | dpkg: alsa install is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 08:49.54 | dpkg | okay, azeem |
| 08:50.29 | Guerin | azeem: oh, there's already a factoid - `alsa for morons' was just a symlink |
| 08:50.31 | karsten | azeem: You could just create and lock the *moron topic with "what'chyou talkin' 'bout Lewis?" |
| 08:50.46 | azeem | Guerin: so you've been using it deliberately? |
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| 08:51.43 | ma3x | azeem, what does alsa do? |
| 08:51.48 | ma3x | how does it find the driver? |
| 08:51.50 | Guerin | azeem: yes, bfor the following reasons: 1. I don't know what factoid it references now, so I use the one I know 2. *I* created the original alsa for morons factoid because *I* was the original moron who needed it. |
| 08:52.41 | azeem | ma3x: why do you ask me? |
| 08:52.47 | Guerin | ma3x: hm, it seems that is a plain old intel8x0 |
| 08:52.48 | azeem | Guerin: dpkg isn't your personal wiki |
| 08:53.30 | ma3x | azeem, this pisses me off - I did a fresh install of debian yesterday with gnome, and sound worked as smooth as possible. I removed gnome, debfostered a lot, installed kde, sound got screwed up |
| 08:53.36 | azeem | karsten: I'm just saying that this is not an excuse |
| 08:53.42 | karsten | ;-) |
| 08:53.45 | Guerin | azeem: no, but it is a place where I can store the shit which works for me for the benefit of others ... and to prevent me repeating myself |
| 08:53.45 | ma3x | Guerin, there isn't any driver for sis audio? |
| 08:53.47 | karsten | azeem: Humor. Really. |
| 08:53.58 | azeem | Guerin: then give it a reasonable factoid name |
| 08:54.00 | Dazgard | ciao |
| 08:54.02 | karsten | Guerin: I think the gist is "don't call people morons when you do that". |
| 08:54.02 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't reallt know. |
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| 08:54.25 | Guerin | azeem: it *was* a reasonable factoid name. It's now been superceded by something else, which I'll endeavour to remember. |
| 08:54.25 | azeem | Guerin: I'm not sure you noticed, but it really has the appearance you think whoever you apply the factoid to is a moron |
| 08:54.29 | ma3x | is there a precise guide to follow about setting up the sound properly/ |
| 08:54.33 | azeem | !alsa |
| 08:54.33 | dpkg | somebody said alsa was http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 08:54.34 | ma3x | not with alsa |
| 08:54.39 | amol | for gui mode inastallation i am getting error..no supported modes founds in /etc/fb.modes |
| 08:54.40 | azeem | ma3x: why not with alsa? |
| 08:54.41 | cydork | ooh alsa for morons, that must be for me.. :P |
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| 08:54.51 | streuner_ | ma3x: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i audio' say? |
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| 08:55.01 | Guerin | azeem: only a moron would think so ;) |
| 08:55.01 | ma3x | 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 08:55.01 | azeem | 10:48 < ma3x> Guerin, Guerin 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 08:55.20 | amol | couldnot run initialilize layer 0 |
| 08:55.26 | azeem | Guerin: uhm, I don't think you can wink yourself out of this |
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| 08:55.35 | ma3x | azeem, it won't setup sound properly |
| 08:55.43 | alleyoopster | anyone know the answer to this I want to send the report this morning, just wanted to check if there is a way to include files in bug reports? |
| 08:55.51 | streuner_ | ma3x: just disable ARTS |
| 08:55.53 | azeem | Guerin: if you want to help Debian supports its users, I suggest you stop calling them morons gratuitiously |
| 08:56.00 | Guerin | azeem: ok. Take it seriously, then. |
| 08:56.02 | ma3x | streuner_, I don't have arts |
| 08:56.06 | ma3x | they're not enabled |
| 08:56.48 | azeem | alleyoopster: yes, in principle |
| 08:56.54 | Guerin | ma3x: try echo snd-intel8x0 >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 08:56.56 | azeem | alleyoopster: I think reportbug might even ask you about it |
| 08:56.59 | streuner_ | azeem: he helps users here a long time, longer than you even be an OP |
| 08:57.10 | azeem | streuner_: I don't see how this is relevant |
| 08:57.12 | alleyoopster | azeem: is there a better way, a supported ftp area? |
| 08:57.28 | azeem | alleyoopster: oh, is it a big file? |
| 08:57.32 | ma3x | Guerin, aumix won't work |
| 08:57.33 | ma3x | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 08:57.41 | Guerin | ma3x: try what I told you. |
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| 08:58.00 | alleyoopster | azeem: well it is a couple of pages of output, not big in size, just big in taking up space on the bug report, it is text! |
| 08:58.01 | ma3x | Guerin, I did that, I'll reboot now |
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| 08:58.10 | azeem | alleyoopster: that's fine |
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| 08:58.16 | ma3x | but hardly will that improve anything, it's already loaded |
| 08:58.22 | alleyoopster | azeem: just include as normal? |
| 08:58.25 | azeem | yes |
| 08:58.30 | alleyoopster | ok cool, thanks |
| 08:58.46 | ma3x | brb |
| 08:58.46 | Guerin | ma3x: yes, but if the oss module is also loaded it will fuck things up. Putting that in /etc/modules should *prevent* the oss module from laoding |
| 08:58.51 | Guerin | grr |
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| 08:59.29 | maddash | Guerin: i think snd-intel8x0 depends on snd-pcm-oss friends |
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| 08:59.37 | Guerin | maddash: yep. |
| 09:00.29 | maddash | Guerin: so if you blacklist it, wouldn't that have an unpredictable effect on snd-intel8x0? |
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| 09:00.40 | ma3x | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 09:00.43 | ma3x | Guerin, won't work |
| 09:01.21 | amol | Guerin: for gui mode inastallation i am getting error..no supported modes founds in /etc/fb.modes |
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| 09:02.37 | streuner_ | ma3x: show us your whole fucking output of 'lsmod' in paster bot |
| 09:03.14 | hark | try a dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 09:03.21 | ma3x | just to make clear - sound works when playing with mplayer for example |
| 09:03.24 | ma3x | but aumix wont work |
| 09:03.28 | ma3x | or ringing in skype |
| 09:03.30 | Guerin | maddash: i didn't say to blacklist anything |
| 09:03.37 | ma3x | some apps won't be able to use it |
| 09:03.47 | streuner_ | jm |
| 09:03.49 | streuner_ | hm |
| 09:03.54 | Guerin | ma3x: your oss module is probably still loaded |
| 09:04.08 | hark | oh, forget that then :) |
| 09:04.17 | ma3x | let me try once more |
| 09:04.23 | ma3x | oss is not loaded |
| 09:04.31 | hark | aoss? |
| 09:04.32 | Guerin | ma3x: you do want to blacklist it - /msg dpkg blacklist. But the module to blacklist is not snd-pcm-oss - that's an alsa module |
| 09:04.38 | Guerin | ma3x: are you sure? |
| 09:04.48 | ma3x | Guerin, lsmod | grep oss shows nothing |
| 09:05.04 | azeem | try lsmod | grep sound |
| 09:05.16 | ma3x | soundcore 15392 1 snd |
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| 09:05.41 | Guerin | ma3x: nor will it |
| 09:05.43 | streuner_ | ma3x: show us the whole output of lsmod |
| 09:05.45 | amol | no supported modes founds in /etc/fb.modes....current mode pixformat:rgba 6/0,6/0,6/0,6/0(4 bit) |
| 09:06.02 | ma3x | it works now |
| 09:06.04 | streuner_ | DOH |
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| 09:06.06 | amol | this error i got at time installation in gui mode? |
| 09:06.16 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.16 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.18 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.18 | azeem | amol: at what gime? |
| 09:06.20 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.22 | JJ|Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.24 | ma3x | I didn't have alsabase package installed |
| 09:06.33 | ma3x | I installed that , rerun alsaconf and it's fine |
| 09:06.35 | azeem | JJ|Laptop: please don't paste in here |
| 09:06.42 | azeem | amol: time* |
| 09:06.49 | ma3x | I didn't know this, i thought installing alsa-utils installs alsabase as dependency |
| 09:07.05 | amol | azeem:i am not getting |
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| 09:07.08 | Guerin | ma3x: huh, it should |
| 09:07.13 | azeem | amol: not getting what? |
| 09:07.26 | ma3x | Guerin, Recommends: alsa-base (>= 1.0.13-1) |
| 09:07.30 | amol | time* ? |
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| 09:07.39 | Guerin | oh, interesting. |
| 09:07.51 | ma3x | Guerin, really? |
| 09:07.51 | azeem | amol: are you trying to install via "installgui" and it does not work? |
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| 09:08.05 | amol | azeem yes |
| 09:08.21 | azeem | amol: at which point does it not work? |
| 09:09.17 | amol | azeem:it asking for vga mode or after 30 seconds it is showing error |
| 09:09.36 | azeem | amol: does it do that right after you type "installgui"? |
| 09:09.37 | amol | azeem:i selected some mode then also same error |
| 09:09.42 | azeem | or later in the process? |
| 09:10.00 | amol | azeem:yes |
| 09:11.25 | azeem | so right after you type "installgui"? |
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| 09:11.27 | amol | azeem:yes i typed installgui then only it is showing ..for text mode it is going fine |
| 09:11.27 | jgw2001 | j |
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| 09:11.33 | azeem | amol: what kind of computer is this? |
| 09:11.51 | azeem | amol: probably the graphical installer does not support your computer, sorry |
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| 09:12.37 | amol | azeem :is there any option to install in graphical mode |
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| 09:13.04 | amol | azeem: intel p4 1.7GHz |
| 09:13.08 | azeem | amol: apparently not |
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| 09:13.23 | ma3x | Guerin, ringtones still don't work |
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| 09:13.32 | azeem | amol: you could try to file a installation report that it does not work with your hardware |
| 09:14.23 | ma3x | Guerin, but oss gets loaded now too |
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| 09:16.33 | amol | azeem:i am having VGA compatible controller :Intel corp 82845G/GL |
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| 09:18.28 | bughunter_ | hello |
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| 09:19.44 | bughunter_ | What is the package which allows to quickly create .deb packages via running and recording an install shell script? |
| 09:19.51 | ma3x | damn, why do I have to install the whole gnome again, just to see how sound works |
| 09:21.41 | maddash | bughunter_: checkinstall? |
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| 09:23.46 | bughunter_ | maddash, that's it. I knew it exists, but couldn't remember on the name. Tnx! |
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| 09:24.00 | SoftIce | hi, what type of apt-cache search / aptitude search or something that can allow me to see package version ? |
| 09:24.09 | SoftIce | something like a make search key/name= in fbsd? |
| 09:24.33 | xand | SoftIce: apt-cache show |
| 09:24.40 | SoftIce | thanks |
| 09:25.02 | SoftIce | xand: naaa, that is the same as dpkg -l |
| 09:25.12 | SoftIce | that is for instaled only packages, i'm talking about header info before downloading |
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| 09:26.35 | xand | SoftIce: no it's not |
| 09:26.58 | SoftIce | pbx:/# apt-cache show bristuff |
| 09:26.58 | SoftIce | W: Unable to locate package bristuff |
| 09:27.00 | SoftIce | its local! |
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| 09:27.12 | maddash | !find bristuff |
| 09:27.19 | xand | SoftIce: there is no such package |
| 09:27.20 | xand | it's not local |
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| 09:27.30 | maddash | haha. |
| 09:27.36 | xand | SoftIce: pick a real package name and try that |
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| 09:27.52 | SoftIce | hmf, well bristuff is a real package if you view the debian package list online |
| 09:28.18 | SoftIce | ahhh, its very package specific |
| 09:28.19 | maddash | http://packages.debian.org/bristuff |
| 09:28.21 | SoftIce | no case for wildcards |
| 09:28.23 | SoftIce | asterisk-bristuff |
| 09:28.28 | xand | no it's not |
| 09:28.32 | xand | it's called asterisk-bristuff |
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| 09:28.49 | SoftIce | I just said that |
| 09:28.49 | maddash | why can't dpkg find it?? |
| 09:28.57 | xand | maddash: because it doesn't exist? |
| 09:29.07 | maddash | SoftIce: btw, `apt-cache search bristuff` in the future, before wasting our time |
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| 09:29.22 | SoftIce | maddash I did that |
| 09:29.22 | SoftIce | ok |
| 09:29.25 | maddash | xand: I asked it to search for the fragment "bristuff" |
| 09:29.38 | SoftIce | and when I asked earlier I stated similar to make search of fbsd |
| 09:29.42 | maddash | !asterisk-bristuff |
| 09:29.45 | SoftIce | that would do a global *ppackage* serach |
| 09:29.55 | SoftIce | not "package" only |
| 09:30.15 | maddash | !find asterisk-bristuff |
| 09:30.33 | SoftIce | besides, this still doesn't help there was supposed to be a 1.4 release of bristuff that etch was supposed to have |
| 09:30.38 | SoftIce | but it doesn't and using 1.2 |
| 09:30.42 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'asterisk-bristuff' returned no results. |
| 09:31.14 | maddash | dpkg: you're usefulness is declining exponentially, you know that? |
| 09:31.15 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, maddash |
| 09:31.16 | Xires | SoftIce; nice nick |
| 09:31.20 | maddash | dpkg: s/you're/your/ |
| 09:31.36 | maddash | dpkg: shut up and go study your sources.list |
| 09:32.12 | SoftIce | well guess its better to install for source anyway |
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| 09:34.29 | _ac3_ | i´m getting connection timeouts from one domain, i´ve had this problem in the past, solved it, but i can´t remember the answer. It had something to do with tcp windowing in recent kernels |
| 09:36.33 | Knight_Lord | If there any method to only activate an interface if there's a cable in it? |
| 09:36.43 | liable | ifplugd |
| 09:36.44 | Knight_Lord | Otherwise i get stupid DHCP request on dead links |
| 09:36.55 | Knight_Lord | liable does it work on startup? |
| 09:37.01 | liable | yes |
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| 09:38.01 | Knight_Lord | does is also makes use of /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 09:42.21 | Trewas | gnome-terminal became horribly slow after upgrading to version in sid, it's practically unusable now :( |
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| 09:43.37 | war | default debian etch 4.0 selected UTF8 for installation, I already ran update-locales and changed /etc/environemtn and /etc/default/environment is there anything else I need to change to stop getting errors like this |
| 09:43.38 | war | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 09:43.38 | war | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 09:47.12 | Knight_Lord | ifplugd is the best thing since sliced bread |
| 09:47.27 | Knight_Lord | thanks |
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| 09:49.45 | fn1 | I've built a package using dpkg-buildpackage but forgot to include the key. Is there a way to sign the dsc and changes without recompiling it ? |
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| 09:52.02 | TeReL50 | I use apt-build for building packages, very easy to use... |
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| 09:52.52 | fn1 | TeReL50: I followed the Debian Maintainer's Guide, haven't touched apt-build yet. |
| 09:53.35 | TeReL50 | fn1 it's doing all stuff for, like getting all packages sources neded to build, and installs, and u can upgrade packages from source |
| 09:53.46 | fn1 | TeReL50: dpkg-buildpackage is OK, but I have no idea if the signing is inherent in the command or it invoked another command to sign |
| 09:54.03 | TeReL50 | well i'm too noob for that yet :) |
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| 09:54.36 | fn1 | TeReL50: Sounds like it can't do anything if the package is not in Debian's repos, can it ? |
| 09:54.55 | TeReL50 | yes it can |
| 09:55.14 | TeReL50 | u kan build the package, add to apt-build repo, and say build repository |
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| 09:55.44 | fn1 | TeReL50: thanks =) I'll have a look at it. |
| 09:56.00 | TeReL50 | yw, it's easier than I can tell |
| 09:56.09 | stew | fn1: dpkg-buildpackage call debsign to do the signing |
| 09:56.25 | TeReL50 | a noob like me builds the whole system from source now :P |
| 09:56.54 | fn1 | stew: there's no debsign in my system. |
| 09:57.38 | fn1 | stew: oh, it's in devscripts |
| 09:57.42 | stew | fn1: oh, hmm, i must be wrong then. in any case, debsign from devscripts can sign your changes/dsc after building |
| 09:58.13 | fn1 | stew: thanks. I'll give it a shot. |
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| 10:01.21 | mnvl_ | it shouldn't make much difference, they are both just different frontedns to the same tools |
| 10:01.26 | fn1 | I'm compiling the latest Pidgin. dpkg-buildpackage finished with no major error, except it's got the dependency wrong... |
| 10:01.30 | mnvl_ | it shouldn't make much difference, they are both just different frontedns to the same tools |
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| 10:02.21 | fn1 | In control file, {shlibs:Depends} made the resultant control include gaim, although I explicitly wrote Conflicts: gaim, gaim-data |
| 10:03.03 | fn1 | Anyone willing to take a look at the control file ?. I'm stuck here, not sure if this is a bug or my ignorance. |
| 10:03.32 | liable | fn1: theres a #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 10:04.39 | mnvl_ | oops sorry, responding to something in the wrong place |
| 10:04.46 | timba | proftpd: 425 Unable to build data connection: Connection refused |
| 10:04.48 | timba | login works |
| 10:04.57 | timba | ls doesn't |
| 10:05.26 | fn1 | liable: there is 9 people in there =( I'm not very optimistic |
| 10:06.09 | liable | fn1: thats ok, they are prolly all devs |
| 10:06.24 | stew | fn1: there are 65 people in there |
| 10:06.42 | timba | anyone can help me? |
| 10:06.46 | liable | fn1: i said oftc (irc.debian.org) |
| 10:06.51 | fn1 | stew: I'm on freenode, d'oh |
| 10:06.57 | sep | i want to generate some device nodes at boot. specificaly crw------- 1 root root 119, 3 2007-05-04 13:33 /dev/vmnet3 i can make them with mknod. but they are gone after reboot. i assume becouse of udev. now can i make udev make there on boot ? |
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| 10:07.15 | sep | google is just pointing nose at me today |
| 10:07.21 | stew | timba: a firewall is preventing you from using active ftp, you should try passive ftp |
| 10:08.15 | timba | and what can it be when i am not able to log in from localhost even if the service is working well from outside? |
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| 10:08.30 | timba | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
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| 10:08.45 | timba | when i try to connect via 'ftp localhost' |
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| 10:22.49 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:22.49 | dpkg | qotd83 is probably <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
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| 10:23.30 | b_jonas | hi, |
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| 10:23.41 | b_jonas | I've changed hardware in my debian machine |
| 10:24.19 | b_jonas | I've compiled a new kernel so that it would recognize the ethernet interface |
| 10:24.39 | b_jonas | and now the ethernet interface is called eth1, even though the kernel startup messages say eth0 |
| 10:24.41 | b_jonas | is that normal? |
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| 10:25.24 | b_jonas | the other question is, to make network work, I've changed eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces. is that the right place for configuration? (this is debian etch) |
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| 10:26.39 | sep | b_jonas, if you have eth1 you probably have eth0 too try ifconfig -a |
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| 10:27.43 | Joelio | hey guys, I just tried booting into 2.6.21.1 (a .deb from sidux, installed on sid) and I get a hang just after the CFQ scheduler. I've done the UUID update change in /etc/fstab. Is there any known issues with CFQ hanging (or a process after that) |
| 10:29.11 | liable | b_jonas: blame udev. check your net-persistent.rules file |
| 10:29.16 | liable | just delete the fucker |
| 10:29.22 | stew | !widbu |
| 10:29.22 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 10:29.27 | liable | after backing it up of course |
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| 10:30.10 | liable | erm, net.persistent.rules |
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| 10:30.17 | stew | b_jonas: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 10:30.19 | Mitar | how can I set number of processes for the user globally? (pam_limits sets only per login) |
| 10:30.27 | stew | b_jonas: edit either that file or interfaces so the two agree |
| 10:30.42 | liable | oh, i am dyslexic today |
| 10:30.42 | stew | Joelio: ask #sidux |
| 10:30.50 | liable | and i cant apell ;) |
| 10:30.55 | liable | spell! |
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| 10:33.47 | taoub | HI all. I got a big MySQL troubles after dist-upgrade from Sarge to Etch! It somehow convert database encoding... and i can't get correct cyriilic symbols. It look like strange 2 bits cp866 encoding |
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| 10:35.27 | taoub | anyone has any idea |
| 10:35.28 | taoub | ? |
| 10:35.46 | SlayerXP | taoub: sounds like a question for #mysql |
| 10:37.01 | taoub | SlayerXP, it could be, and i'm trying to ask it there, but i thought some one could have the same problem here |
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| 10:47.48 | omri | any recommendations for a security cam application? |
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| 10:50.55 | liable | omri: motion? |
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| 10:51.26 | omri | what about viewing it live using http? |
| 10:52.07 | liable | motion can do that |
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| 10:52.17 | omri | thanks; I'll check |
| 10:52.33 | liable | dunno how secure its built in web server is |
| 10:52.58 | liable | dont think its meant for exposed things |
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| 10:58.06 | MindOfChaos_ | hello |
| 10:58.11 | liable | hrm |
| 10:58.15 | liable | !iwlwifi |
| 10:58.23 | MindOfChaos_ | im having issues with my apt-get |
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| 10:58.36 | MindOfChaos_ | 0% [Connecting to ftp.nz.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] |
| 10:58.55 | MindOfChaos_ | some thing about connecting to 1.0.0.0 seems wrong.... |
| 10:59.19 | MindOfChaos_ | its not a valid ip but Dhcp is setup properly |
| 11:01.10 | liable | dpkg: iwlwifi is <reply> the latest incarnation of intels linux driver for the 3945 chipset can be found here http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi It doesnt need the evil daemon any longer, but only works with kernels patched for dscapes wireless stack. |
| 11:01.10 | dpkg | liable: okay |
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| 11:05.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bristuff' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.45 | acidmelt | hey, could someone explain why is the default value for ip_conntrack_tcp_timeout_established is so high (~5days)? |
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| 11:07.24 | ma3x | hey |
| 11:07.31 | ma3x | when I use deboostrap can I specify a local mirror? |
| 11:09.49 | omri | how can I use putty with X forwarding (like ssh -X on linux)? what application do I need on the windows' side to use X forwarding? |
| 11:10.03 | ma3x | !xssh |
| 11:10.42 | ma3x | !sshx |
| 11:10.42 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 11:10.43 | ma3x | check that url at the end |
| 11:10.43 | omri | thanks |
| 11:10.43 | ma3x | welcome |
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| 11:10.58 | omri | and about your question, you can specify the location for the debian cd mountpoint |
| 11:11.02 | omri | with file:/ I think |
| 11:12.52 | zamaliphe | what is the new kernel in etch ? |
| 11:12.53 | ma3x | heh, ok |
| 11:13.18 | ma3x | zamaliphe, 2.6.18-4 |
| 11:13.55 | zamaliphe | ma3x: will i have this one long time ago |
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| 11:14.23 | kromagg | is there an easy way to replace auth_mysql in apache 2.2? |
| 11:14.29 | zamaliphe | ma3x: then their is no kernel update / |
| 11:15.15 | stew | zamaliphe: there was a new kernel released for etch 2 days ago |
| 11:15.26 | omri | kromagg, what do you mean? what's wrong with it? |
| 11:15.28 | stew | zamaliphe: http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1286 |
| 11:15.28 | ma3x | stew, what happened? |
| 11:15.45 | ma3x | oh well |
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| 11:16.32 | zamaliphe | stew: thanks alot |
| 11:16.40 | ma3x | zamaliphe, what do you need a newer kernel for? |
| 11:17.04 | ma3x | use 2.6.18-4 |
| 11:17.29 | b_jonas | stew: thanks for the advice, I indeed seem to have a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules for the old card |
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| 11:18.34 | stew | ma3x: yes, the new kernel in etch, which he is asking about, is a new version of 2.6.18-4 |
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| 11:19.32 | ma3x | stew, do you know why when I create chroot with debootstrap, it fails for sid |
| 11:19.49 | kromagg | orithere's no auth_mysql in etch |
| 11:20.07 | kromagg | sry, omri ^ |
| 11:20.51 | stew | ma3x: no, i don't know why it fails for you |
| 11:21.08 | ma3x | stew, it says it can't mount proc and it interrupts |
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| 11:22.10 | kromagg | ma3x: you need to mount proc inside the chroot somewhere |
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| 11:22.26 | kromagg | ma3x: before you chroot |
| 11:22.44 | stew | kromagg: before you create the chroot? |
| 11:23.02 | stew | kromagg: why do you need to mount it before you chroot? |
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| 11:23.26 | stew | ma3x: do you have any non-default options on the partition you are trying to create the chroot in? |
| 11:23.31 | kromagg | stew: beats me, that's just how I always did it |
| 11:23.31 | omri | kromagg, mmm, let me check something |
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| 11:24.58 | ma3x | stew, check out http://paste.debian.net/27145 |
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| 11:26.30 | kromagg | ah debootstrap does the mount automatically |
| 11:27.05 | omri | kromagg, sorry, no idea :\ |
| 11:27.30 | stew | ma3x: how is /home mounted? |
| 11:27.46 | kromagg | omri: k thanks for taking some time out anyway :) |
| 11:27.47 | ma3x | stew, it isn't I have only / |
| 11:28.09 | stew | ma3x: how is / mounted? with any non-standard options? like nodev or nosuid or anything? |
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| 11:28.26 | ma3x | stew, /dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 11:28.31 | kromagg | can you actually do debootstrap as non-root? |
| 11:28.38 | ma3x | stew, devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 11:29.23 | ma3x | I think not |
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| 11:30.06 | stew | oh, this is the libdevmapper thing |
| 11:30.25 | ma3x | does that matter? |
| 11:30.46 | stew | yes |
| 11:30.58 | stew | !dbugs 421369 |
| 11:31.01 | dpkg | DONE:#421369:G[debootstrap] debootstrap: fails to mount proc; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:03:02 UTC |
| 11:31.39 | stew | maybe not |
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| 11:32.37 | stew | ma3x: can you chroot there manually and try running the mount command, and see if you get a more meaningful error message? |
| 11:32.38 | ma3x | so what do I do now |
| 11:32.48 | ma3x | stew, when I chroot it says I have no name |
| 11:32.59 | ma3x | I think that means the installation wasn't complete |
| 11:33.10 | stew | ma3x: exactly what does it say? |
| 11:33.20 | stew | ma3x: you don't need a complete installation in order to do this |
| 11:33.34 | ma3x | stew, well it chroots with a bash prompt I have no name |
| 11:33.42 | stew | ma3x: that doesnt matter |
| 11:34.26 | ma3x | stew, should I type mount in the chroot? |
| 11:34.55 | stew | yes |
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| 11:35.07 | ma3x | just a sec, I'm installing the chroot again |
| 11:35.20 | stew | ma3x: specifically you hsould type "mount -t proc proc /proc" |
| 11:35.30 | ma3x | in the chroot? |
| 11:35.46 | ma3x | and everytime I chroot? |
| 11:35.48 | stew | ma3x: installing? |
| 11:35.49 | stew | no |
| 11:36.05 | ma3x | stew, I'm debootstrapping again |
| 11:36.10 | stew | just once to see if you get an error message more useful than "Failure" |
| 11:36.10 | DavidProck1981 | yo when u use the nvidia one-liner , When u get to the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, what is it that u r suposed to uncheck |
| 11:36.20 | ma3x | let me see |
| 11:36.24 | stew | ma3x: you deleted the result of the last debootstrap? |
| 11:36.31 | HostilePenguin | anyone here use elive? |
| 11:36.35 | DavidProck1981 | wasnt there 2 things to make sure is unchecked |
| 11:36.40 | ma3x | stew, yes of course - I thought its a permanent failure |
| 11:36.45 | stew | ma3x: it was |
| 11:36.48 | DavidProck1981 | was dri one of them |
| 11:36.52 | DavidProck1981 | DRI |
| 11:37.03 | ma3x | stew, I then removed the directory, then installed etch chroot, now installing sid chroot again ..... |
| 11:37.10 | wintix | !tell DavidProck1981 about wud |
| 11:37.15 | ma3x | stew, should I then install iceweasel (32 bit) in the chroot? |
| 11:37.31 | stew | HostilePenguin: ask #elive or #elive-unstable |
| 11:37.42 | stew | HostilePenguin: or /msg chanserv list #*elive* |
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| 11:37.55 | HostilePenguin | thank you |
| 11:37.58 | ma3x | stew, there I got W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/ma3x/stuff/sid-ia32 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 11:38.02 | ma3x | now im gonna chroot to it |
| 11:38.11 | DavidProck1981 | ive done it before just cant ermember, wintix, and how was i being a moron |
| 11:38.11 | ma3x | I have no name!@ma3x:/# |
| 11:38.21 | ma3x | mount: error while loading shared libraries: libdevmapper.so.1.02: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 11:38.26 | xand | DavidProck1981: your spelling (or lack thereof) :) |
| 11:38.29 | DavidProck1981 | i just dont have much time on my hands |
| 11:38.35 | wintix | DavidProck1981: e.g. write "you" instead of "u" and so on. |
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| 11:38.52 | DavidProck1981 | look im sorry for that, it is a habbit |
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| 11:38.59 | ma3x | stew, instructions? |
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| 11:39.16 | hakanpardus | selamlar |
| 11:39.21 | hakanpardus | arkadaÅŸlar |
| 11:39.23 | stew | ma3x: it needs to be using libdevmapper1.02.1 not libdevmapper1.02 |
| 11:39.44 | stew | !tr |
| 11:39.45 | dpkg | somebody said tr was türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 11:39.46 | DavidProck1981 | now are you going to let me mess up the pc that is not mine? |
| 11:39.54 | ma3x | stew, you understand the problem, what is the solution to it? |
| 11:40.25 | stew | ma3x: to make it use libdevmapper1.02.1 instead of libdevmapper1.02 |
| 11:40.36 | ma3x | stew, in chroot? how? |
| 11:40.40 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 11:40.46 | ma3x | great |
| 11:41.02 | ma3x | I mean there are 1000 of pages instructions how to make this work |
| 11:41.09 | ma3x | and there is this stupid bug that prevents everything from working |
| 11:41.15 | stew | ma3x: don't use sid |
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| 11:41.22 | stew | ma3x: or wait for this to be fixed |
| 11:41.48 | stew | ma3x: whatever debs it is downloading that are built against libdevmapper1.02 need to be rebuilt against libdevmapper1.02.1 |
| 11:41.53 | ma3x | stew, im gonna install etch chroot, what should I do to run 32 bit iceweasel? |
| 11:42.08 | stew | ma3x: aptitude install iceweasel && iceweasel |
| 11:42.12 | hakanpardus | arkadaşlar debian.tr de kimse yok burdan yardımcı olabilecek arkadaş yokmu türkçe olarak |
| 11:42.18 | kromagg | wouldn't mounting proc from outside the chroot be a good workaround? |
| 11:42.26 | ma3x | stew, but to get to that, should I mount --bind /home /tmp and what other directories? |
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| 11:42.31 | stew | hakanpardus: english only in here please. try #debian-tr or #debian.tr to speak in turkish |
| 11:42.37 | ma3x | stew, and is it a good idea to put them on auto in /etc/fstab? |
| 11:42.45 | ma3x | stew, also should i copy passwd group files .... |
| 11:42.50 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 11:43.12 | hakanpardus | stew kimse yok orda |
| 11:43.22 | stew | hakanpardus: english only |
| 11:43.40 | ma3x | stew, and do I need schroot? |
| 11:43.44 | RichiH | !tr |
| 11:43.44 | dpkg | well, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 11:44.09 | stew | ma3x: no, but it makes things much nicer |
| 11:44.21 | ma3x | stew, it gives me an error hold on .. |
| 11:45.01 | mark_s | hi, we switched from netatalk to nfs connecting with MacOSX to our Debian fileserver. One Problem we still have. The files don't get locked. So two guys can work on the same file. Is it possible to put a lock on a file and does this have to happen on the client or on the server side? |
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| 11:45.37 | hakanpardus | dpkg oralarda kimse yokki |
| 11:45.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 11:45.45 | hakanpardus | nasıl yardım alacağım |
| 11:46.33 | xand | hakanpardus: english only |
| 11:46.34 | stew | hakanpardus: /j #debian.tr |
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| 11:46.56 | RichiH | where is tarzeau when you need him.. |
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| 11:47.09 | stew | does he actually speak turkish? |
| 11:47.14 | abrotman | RichiH: do you ever really need tarzeau? :) |
| 11:47.16 | abrotman | stew: yes |
| 11:47.17 | RichiH | i think |
| 11:47.28 | liable | heh, i was thinking the same thing ;) |
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| 11:47.36 | RichiH | abrotman: sometimes, at night.. when i am cold and lonely.. |
| 11:47.38 | stew | abrotman: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 11:47.50 | RichiH | stew: heh |
| 11:47.53 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 11:48.07 | liable | and pictures tarzeau with pony tails |
| 11:48.10 | abrotman | RichiH: they sell electric blankets! |
| 11:48.12 | hakanpardus | yukarıda yazdıklarımı okumuyorsun dsanırım inadına aynı adresi veriyorsun herhalde ama oralara baktım kimse yok diyorum yardımcı olmak istemiyorsanız direk söyleyin yeter |
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| 11:50.03 | stew | he hasn't yet figured out that I don't know turkish |
| 11:50.17 | stew | i have figured out that he doesn't know english |
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| 11:51.39 | liable | theres a lot questions in that comment |
| 11:51.42 | ma3x | what's the default directory that iceweasel uses for plugins? |
| 11:51.49 | stew | oh, pardus is that turkish debian derrivative |
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| 11:52.55 | ma3x | liable, questions like what |
| 11:53.31 | liable | ma3x: how would i know, its turkish :P |
| 11:53.47 | ma3x | liable, so they are not questions then |
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| 11:54.04 | ma3x | liable, and you're lying you are turkish!! |
| 11:54.06 | ma3x | :p |
| 11:54.08 | liable | yes, if you want to get technical.. |
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| 11:54.32 | liable | the closest i get to turkish was watching 'snatch' |
| 11:54.39 | xand | liable: this is kinda a technical channel ;) |
| 11:55.11 | ma3x | liable, let's not make you sonet |
| 11:55.16 | liable | xand: ah, no wonder hardly any of it makes sense to me ;) |
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| 11:55.44 | abrotman | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ maybe ? |
| 11:56.14 | liable | its a damn good movie to btw, watch it if you havent |
| 11:56.33 | liable | s/to/too/ |
| 11:56.39 | liable | for the grammar nazis |
| 11:57.16 | ma3x | this is too much work just for a flash player |
| 11:57.25 | ma3x | I mean installing a chroot, installing iceweasel, and the gtk sucks |
| 11:57.37 | ma3x | and plus binding partitions, exporting X etc...... |
| 11:57.44 | liable | ma3x: you seem to make much work of everything you do in debian.. |
| 11:57.46 | xand | yes, especially as Flash sucks so much |
| 11:58.00 | ma3x | yeah |
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| 11:58.39 | petemc | ma3x: why do you use 64bit stuff? |
| 11:58.48 | ma3x | petemc, because my cpu is 64 bit |
| 11:59.15 | liable | there was the gnu flash mentioned somewhere the other day. didnt read the article, mebbe it works on 64 |
| 11:59.21 | petemc | ma3x: right, but do you do anything tangible that requires the things 64 bit provides? |
| 11:59.21 | stew | gnash |
| 12:00.01 | liable | everyone knows bits correspond to penis size |
| 12:00.02 | azeem | but gnash cannot play youtube yet |
| 12:00.04 | ma3x | petemc, well just by having 64 bit cpu with 64 bit debian packages, things run faster |
| 12:00.05 | ma3x | no? |
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| 12:00.12 | liable | azeem: i thought it said it did? |
| 12:00.14 | stew | azeem: i thougth it could as of this week or something |
| 12:00.21 | azeem | oh really? |
| 12:00.22 | mike1o | gnash can play youtube |
| 12:00.29 | azeem | I only head about swfdec |
| 12:00.32 | azeem | heard* |
| 12:00.41 | stew | azeem: i could have sworn i saw mruiz say that or someone |
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| 12:00.52 | mike1o | not perfectly but it can |
| 12:00.54 | xand | ma3x: not necessarily. |
| 12:00.55 | azeem | stew: excellent |
| 12:00.57 | petemc | it was on digg or some one of those sityes that gnash does youtube |
| 12:01.01 | liable | yah, i am pretty sure it mentioned it did work for youtube |
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| 12:01.23 | liable | reddit or /. |
| 12:01.26 | ma3x | xand, well why the hell would I install i386 debian on amd64 processor? |
| 12:01.29 | liable | i read it from |
| 12:01.32 | stew | azeem: yeah, http://www.miriamruiz.es/weblog/ |
| 12:01.33 | mike1o | a week ago I got an upgrade I tried it and it worked |
| 12:01.35 | xand | ma3x: so flash works |
| 12:01.40 | liable | well, i didnt read it from ;) |
| 12:01.42 | ma3x | xand, you are crazy |
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| 12:01.52 | mike1o | it cant play google video |
| 12:01.53 | xand | ma3x: you're the one making a fuss, not me, I don't care what you run |
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| 12:02.20 | rocketmagnet | good morning, i have a strange Permission Denied problem: i have an ntfs disk mounted where i save my programming projects, now the problem is that i can't start the executable after compilation (when i'm root) - Permission Denied! |
| 12:02.26 | stew | ma3x: you would install i386 on an amd64 becuase you have 32 bit apps you need and no apps that you need that are 64 bit only and by using 32 bit instaed of 64 bit, you'd need less memory |
| 12:02.32 | liable | ma3x: because a lot of shit doesnt work for 64 and its a big watse of time unless you edit videos or such? |
| 12:02.38 | kromagg | because amd64 is hardly what you could call a 64 bit instruction set |
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| 12:03.15 | liable | what is it then? |
| 12:03.20 | ma3x | it's a monkey on a tree |
| 12:03.26 | rocketmagnet | =) |
| 12:03.29 | liable | i thought thats exactly what it meant? |
| 12:03.38 | rocketmagnet | need some time until software gets 64bit |
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| 12:04.12 | kromagg | it's 64 bit extensions grafted on a 32 bit isa :) |
| 12:04.25 | stew | easy |
| 12:04.31 | sep | ma3x, you'd install amd64 if you have >4GB ram and would like to avoid the performance hit of moving the window when accessing high memory. if you don't have >4GB ram use i386 |
| 12:04.43 | liable | please |
| 12:04.50 | liable | and save us all some headaches |
| 12:04.50 | stew | or just don't use non-free software |
| 12:05.02 | stew | which works fine for me on amd64 |
| 12:05.14 | ma3x | wait , I mean let's take for example mplayer |
| 12:05.34 | ma3x | you have 64 bit and 32 bit mplayer. which utilizes better the 64 bit processor? |
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| 12:05.49 | kromagg | ma3x: not in any way you're likely to notice |
| 12:05.55 | rocketmagnet | can someone pls help me? the ntfs-3g stuff is working for my normal user (read&write), but i don't have the permission to start commands from there |
| 12:06.10 | rocketmagnet | that are located on the ntfs disk |
| 12:06.14 | itchi | Hi, i had a active shfs mount point. Had mount it yesterday, the computer was leave on. But the shfs mount point no more respond. How can i umount it? It's still busy when i try to unmount it |
| 12:06.30 | stew | ma3x: i don't think it would make a differenc |
| 12:06.35 | xand | itchi: umount -l? |
| 12:06.36 | sep | itchi, stop the processes uging it |
| 12:06.42 | liable | for someone who asks a shitload of questions, you are a very stubborn person when you get answers |
| 12:06.46 | xand | itchi: or, try remounting first |
| 12:06.51 | liable | which you dont want to hear\ |
| 12:06.55 | rocketmagnet | sep: how to find the process ? |
| 12:07.01 | sep | lsof perhaps |
| 12:07.23 | itchi | sep: There is nothings more using it. That's what lsof says me |
| 12:07.29 | xand | itchi: umount -l |
| 12:07.35 | itchi | xand: Yeah, it works :-) |
| 12:07.56 | sep | rocketmagnet, that was for itchi sorry |
| 12:08.21 | itchi | xand: I'm looking what it means, i not realy see the relation with it, but it works(tm) :-) |
| 12:08.35 | rocketmagnet | sep: i know, i have a same issue with ntfs-3g |
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| 12:09.20 | stew | rocketmagnet: what were the mount options you used to mount it? |
| 12:09.29 | itchi | I think there may be a little bug with shfs too. Or maybe he not like it to leave/break (or break the wifi) the network |
| 12:09.43 | itchi | oeps, sounds too weird :-p |
| 12:10.00 | rocketmagnet | stew: /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 ntfs-3g defaults,user,force 0 0 |
| 12:10.00 | itchi | It mostly happend (i think), when i loose my wifi network |
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| 12:11.22 | stew | i don't know about ntfs-3g and whether or not it can take a umask or if it has a default umask |
| 12:11.52 | itchi | xand: Heh, how come it that with the -l it works? |
| 12:11.53 | stew | rocketmagnet: you might try remounting it with something like umask=002 |
| 12:12.30 | stew | itchi: becuase -l doesn't actually unmount right away, it just waits for it to be unmountable |
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| 12:13.21 | itchi | stew: Hhm, the give the illusion that it unmount it, cause i'm again able to remount my shfs :-) |
| 12:13.38 | itchi | Anyway, i take a note :-p |
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| 12:16.56 | troubled | mornin |
| 12:16.56 | xand | pardon? |
| 12:17.23 | liable | thats what my troubled thing does in the mornin |
| 12:17.30 | liable | :) |
| 12:17.33 | troubled | :) |
| 12:19.09 | itchi | Somone know a nice howto for ipsec with NIS? |
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| 12:20.02 | rocketmagnet | stew: what is the umask for ? |
| 12:20.12 | itchi | ldap is a bit too big for my home network. At least, i first want to play a bit with NIS (+encrypted) before moving to ldap. But if you have a ldap howto ... :-) |
| 12:20.30 | liable | man mount, see fat |
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| 12:20.34 | liable | iirc |
| 12:20.40 | zamaliphe | !command |
| 12:20.51 | liable | rocketmagnet: think of umask as the opposite to perms |
| 12:20.54 | outlaw84 | http://packages.debianbase.de/ <-- I wanto add this to my apt source list. I am using unstable amd64 how should I write it? |
| 12:20.58 | liable | 000=777 |
| 12:21.14 | liable | 002=775 |
| 12:21.36 | liable | =rwxrwxr-x |
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| 12:22.19 | zamaliphe | how can i install some unstable pkg in etch ? |
| 12:22.24 | stew | rocketmagnet: yeah, umask is what gets subtracted from the permissions, i'm guessing that maybe its defaulting to a umask or 113 or something, so that the maximum permissions on the volume are 664 (777-113) instead of 775 (or umask=002) |
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| 12:22.30 | zamaliphe | mix etch an sid ? |
| 12:22.42 | stew | zamaliphe: dont mix, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 12:22.56 | stew | outlaw84: man sources.list |
| 12:23.18 | outlaw84 | stew: cant you just tell me? :) |
| 12:23.24 | liable | no |
| 12:23.28 | liable | thats cheating |
| 12:23.42 | stew | outlaw84: you shouldn't be using unstable |
| 12:23.42 | liable | :P |
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| 12:25.00 | outlaw84 | stew: well tell me how to write the line for testing and I'll change it later :) |
| 12:25.27 | stew | actually, that is not an automatic repository, which probably isn't covered in sources.list |
| 12:25.34 | liable | outlaw84: really, you want to do some homework on this sort of thing |
| 12:25.49 | stew | outlaw84: what have you tried? |
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| 12:26.59 | liable | its really quite difficult to get through to new users (or even mildly experienced users) that need an answer now and cant wait to get what they want |
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| 12:27.16 | outlaw84 | deb http://packages.debianbase.de/testing/amd64/nx/ ./ |
| 12:27.17 | liable | i remember being so impatient myself |
| 12:27.34 | zamaliphe | stew: thanks but what is the dpkg msg about mix etch sid ? |
| 12:27.38 | outlaw84 | liable: what do you mean? |
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| 12:28.16 | stew | outlaw84: http://packages.debianbase.de/testing/amd64 is 404 |
| 12:28.19 | liable | outlaw84: i mean, take the time to research what you are doing, and why. (i wasnt having a personal dig at you btw) |
| 12:28.29 | krazykit | zamaliphe, you can just msg dpkg yourself and find out |
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| 12:28.40 | stew | zamaliphe: i removed that factoid becuaes it is no longer a good idea since etch released and sid got a newer, uncompatible libc6 |
| 12:29.15 | outlaw84 | liable: I learn best by seening a functioning exemple |
| 12:29.19 | liable | sids libc6 is newer than lennys now? |
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| 12:29.35 | stew | outlaw84: that would be a functioning example, except there is no testing/amd64 directory on that webserver |
| 12:29.40 | liable | outlaw84: no comment |
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| 12:30.08 | zamaliphe | stew: hmm but i have bought new Nvidia card and i cant install the old driver in etch ? |
| 12:30.27 | stew | zamaliphe: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 12:30.41 | stew | outlaw84: nor do they seem to have nx for amd64 under any dist |
| 12:30.45 | liable | thats not an answer :P |
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| 12:31.25 | zamaliphe | stew: i need the aiglx effects |
| 12:31.36 | liable | of course |
| 12:31.45 | zinx | zamaliphe: you *need* them? |
| 12:31.47 | outlaw84 | :/ |
| 12:31.52 | liable | yes |
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| 12:32.19 | outlaw84 | btw why isn't freenx in debian? |
| 12:32.23 | liable | zamaliphe: the drivers in etch dont support that card? |
| 12:32.29 | zinx | zamaliphe: there's nvidia-glx and the kernel module package for it |
| 12:32.35 | liable | the non-free ones |
| 12:32.36 | zinx | !tell zamaliphe about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:32.43 | zamaliphe | zinx: yes i used to use the nvidia one-liner but it didnot work |
| 12:32.54 | zinx | !didn't work |
| 12:32.54 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 12:38.42 | zamaliphe | zinx: i'm now tring this http://bzed.de/debian/howtos/nvidia_experimental |
| 12:38.56 | bzed | zamaliphe: wait |
| 12:38.57 | zinx | uh |
| 12:39.01 | zinx | *WHY* |
| 12:39.07 | zinx | you can't even get the *RIGHT* drivers working |
| 12:39.14 | bzed | zamaliphe: that needs to be updated, as the more recent driver is in unstable |
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| 12:39.26 | outlaw84 | stew: http://sidux.com/debian/dists/sid/nx/binary-amd64/ <-- what about that one? that seams to have nx and be amd64... I tryed with 'deb http://sidux.com/debian/dists/sid/nx/binary-amd64/ sid nx' |
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| 12:39.46 | zinx | get the proper ones from the nvidia one-liner working, *THEN* you can start trying packages that are known to be broken |
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| 12:41.00 | rocketmagnet | stew: now i've made this line in fstab:: /dev/sda1 /media/usb0 ntfs-3g umask=002,defaults,user,force 0 0 |
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| 12:41.14 | zamaliphe | bzed: then should i upgrade to unstable ? |
| 12:41.28 | bzed | no |
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| 12:41.31 | zinx | zamaliphe: You should get the drivers from the one-liner working. |
| 12:41.40 | bzed | zamaliphe: which card do you ahve? |
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| 12:42.06 | rocketmagnet | and now the files colors looks better than before, but i can't run a programm compiled on the ntfs device on the ntfs device =( =( |
| 12:42.10 | joey[] | how do I install mod_auth_ldap for my apache2? I cannot find it on packages.debian.org and I found only mod_ldap.so in /usr/lib/apache2/modules |
| 12:42.28 | stew | outlaw84: man sources.list ; but i'd recommend against installing debs from some other distribution, i'd backport them instead: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:42.37 | zamaliphe | bzed: |
| 12:42.37 | zamaliphe | nVidia Corporation NV44 [GeForce 6200 Tu |
| 12:42.37 | zamaliphe | rboCache(TM)] |
| 12:42.42 | stew | zamaliphe: you should not upgrade to unstable |
| 12:42.58 | Fubarovic | part |
| 12:43.02 | Fubarovic | hm |
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| 12:44.30 | bzed | zamaliphe: you should get the normal drivers from etch or testing to work first. |
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| 12:45.33 | zamaliphe | stew: i rely need to install the lastest nvidia driver i even upgrad my MB and VGA card to be able to use beryl with less bugs |
| 12:45.50 | stew | zamaliphe: i don't help with non-free software in here |
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| 12:46.43 | zamaliphe | stew: you mean beryl or Nvidia ? |
| 12:46.51 | stew | zamaliphe: nvidia |
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| 12:47.13 | nescius | hello |
| 12:47.17 | liable | beryl is free, and hopefully not to far away from being in the repos |
| 12:47.48 | rocketmagnet | stew: argh, also if i add "rw,umask=002,defaults" options to the ntfs-3g device i can't run my compiled code from there =( |
| 12:47.53 | rocketmagnet | i can write / read |
| 12:47.56 | rocketmagnet | with normal user |
| 12:47.57 | zamaliphe | stew: then you mean no new driver will be added to debian after the 1.0.8xxx |
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| 12:48.12 | Przemcio78 | hi |
| 12:48.13 | rocketmagnet | but also root is not allowed to execute my compiled sources =( =( |
| 12:48.25 | Przemcio78 | how many cds are necessary to install debian etch? |
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| 12:48.31 | rocketmagnet | stew: any idea what can be wrong ? |
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| 12:49.14 | vchrizz | Przemcio78: you just need the first to install debian |
| 12:49.15 | stew | zamaliphe: i don't know what you are talking about. the current driver in debian is 1.2.0-3 |
| 12:49.27 | Przemcio78 | vchrizz: thanks |
| 12:49.48 | stew | rocketmagnet: no, i don't know. is there some reason you don't use some unix filesystem that would have much better support in linux? |
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| 12:50.39 | zamaliphe | stew: good now can i install it pleases ? |
| 12:50.53 | vchrizz | Przemcio78: you want to use the other ones incase you dont want or youre not able to download additional software with apt |
| 12:51.04 | stew | zamaliphe: aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-nv ; it won't support aiglx however |
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| 12:52.09 | Przemcio78 | i want to install the base system and download via apt the rest of the packages |
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| 12:52.13 | rocketmagnet | stew: this is my external hd that i want to use from both systems (duallboot winxp, debian4) for my developing files, so i don't have to copy things arround all the time |
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| 12:52.34 | stew | Przemcio78: use cd1 or a netinst cd then |
| 12:52.34 | rocketmagnet | so i have one "Project" folder for winxp and linxu |
| 12:52.38 | Przemcio78 | btw, is debian as hard as the say? :) |
| 12:52.39 | ofir | anyone have marvell LAN chip, and can tell me how to solve the disconnects problem? |
| 12:52.43 | vchrizz | Przemcio78: then you just need the first cd, you also could just use the netinst cd |
| 12:53.13 | _slacker_ | hi all, how can i add support for LVM in my initramfs when i generates it with update-initramfs? |
| 12:53.30 | rocketmagnet | is there a channel for the ntfs-3g thing ? |
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| 12:54.06 | vchrizz | _slacker_: you need to add the modules to initramfs.conf and rerun update-initramfs |
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| 12:54.18 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 12:55.12 | vchrizz | _slacker_: err, not initramfs.conf, i mean /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 12:55.14 | Agiofws | does nayone have a link to add a line for non free drivers in repositories ? |
| 12:55.28 | liable | Przemcio78: depends on your definition of hard, your general linux experience and willingness to learn |
| 12:55.29 | nescius | what does this mean? |
| 12:55.32 | nescius | W: GPG error: http://debian.mirror.web4u.cz etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 12:55.46 | _slacker_ | vchrizz, yes, but only putting "lvm" there it generates the necessary scripts?? |
| 12:55.54 | vchrizz | Agiofws: just add 'non-free' to your deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:55.55 | Przemcio78 | liable: how hard is debian compared to gentoo? |
| 12:56.03 | liable | Agiofws: did you try and google that? |
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| 12:56.06 | Przemcio78 | i have some experience with gentoo |
| 12:56.23 | _slacker_ | i added "lvm" there, but still not work the lvm support |
| 12:56.26 | stew | Przemcio78: it sholdn't be at all hard |
| 12:56.35 | liable | Przemcio78: its easy, just depends on whether you expect a gui for everything to configure stuff |
| 12:56.42 | Agiofws | liable, i just asked to help out someone on Grnet greek irc server |
| 12:56.46 | Agiofws | thanksyou though |
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| 12:56.52 | hark | nescius: run an update again |
| 12:56.59 | vchrizz | _slacker_: well, i didnt use lvm before, maybe it needs any other named modules too? |
| 12:57.24 | liable | Agiofws: just add contrib non-free to the end of there source line |
| 12:57.29 | liable | !non free |
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| 12:57.37 | liable | bah |
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| 12:57.48 | nescius | hark well, how often should i supposed to run that before asking for help? |
| 12:57.48 | Przemcio78 | i prefer configuration via console |
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| 12:58.03 | nescius | in other words i did that several times |
| 12:58.07 | hark | nescius: 42 times |
| 12:58.10 | stew | nescius: what version of debian are you running? |
| 12:58.14 | liable | Przemcio78: then debian should be a snap for you |
| 12:58.25 | Knight_Lord | Did anyone get the touchpad of a macbook pro to work in debian? |
| 12:58.27 | nescius | stew, stable a think |
| 12:58.36 | Przemcio78 | besides i used ubuntu, which is debian's derivative, for some time too |
| 12:58.38 | nescius | 4rc0 |
| 12:58.39 | _slacker_ | vchrizz, i guess no, but i'm using it togheter with MD, and then when i start i get up the MD devices, and i need to make available it with LVM |
| 12:58.39 | liable | Przemcio78: you just need to learn how to use apt |
| 12:58.56 | vchrizz | nescius: see the topic of this channel... /msg dpkg no public key ... it might help you :) |
| 12:59.05 | Przemcio78 | liable:i now it already, i learnt on ubuntu :) |
| 12:59.08 | _slacker_ | vchrizz, if i do a break=mount and run manually "lvm vgchange -ay" i can continue normally |
| 12:59.22 | stew | nescius: did you recently install etch? did you recently migrate from sarge to etch? |
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| 12:59.32 | nescius | ok, vchrizz so security.debian.org does not have gpg signature? :) |
| 12:59.34 | stew | nescius: (do you realize that stable changed from sarge to etch recently?) |
| 12:59.35 | mfrisch | I need a gui or frontend to afio |
| 12:59.38 | stew | nescius: it does |
| 12:59.46 | Przemcio78 | i think i'll choose netinst cd :) |
| 12:59.50 | nescius | stew, clean install from 4rc cd with xfce |
| 13:00.00 | stew | nescius: that is 4rc? |
| 13:00.06 | stew | err what is 4rc? |
| 13:00.24 | nescius | ok 4r0 then |
| 13:00.30 | nescius | the latest stable iso |
| 13:00.38 | nescius | etch maybe? |
| 13:00.43 | vchrizz | _slacker_: hum, i would have to google by myself in this case, sorry |
| 13:01.08 | stew | nescius: is debian-archive-keyring installed? |
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| 13:02.08 | nescius | stew, was it on the cd or repository and is it defaultly installed? |
| 13:02.19 | nescius | yes, it should be, but ill look |
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| 13:02.58 | nescius | stew, the newest version |
| 13:03.28 | hark | nescius: it's normally just a temporary issue with the mirrors, an update again should be ok |
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| 13:04.10 | hark | and you can even try using another mirror to confirm |
| 13:04.22 | nescius | i can do that 42 times, but it will be the same |
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| 13:04.50 | nescius | hark, i am already using two repositories and cd |
| 13:05.22 | hark | nescius: ok, try figuring out why it errors out using "apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=true update" |
| 13:05.38 | nescius | wow, it installed ssh package! finally! |
| 13:05.39 | vchrizz | what cd/dvd burning app should i use if i want to burn dvd movies and dvds with udf? |
| 13:05.45 | stew | nescius: what comand are you running that is giving you that warning? |
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| 13:06.00 | nescius | but without gpg signature so i had to say Y there |
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| 13:06.23 | nescius | vchrizz, shell or gui? |
| 13:06.23 | stew | nescius: what signature is it complaining about? |
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| 13:06.54 | nescius | it does not saying |
| 13:07.02 | nescius | just names of the packages |
| 13:07.09 | stew | nescius: what command are you running that gives you the warning? |
| 13:07.11 | vchrizz | nescius: gui |
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| 13:07.53 | nescius | vchrizz, k3b can do the trick :) |
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| 13:08.08 | vchrizz | cool thx |
| 13:08.24 | nescius | vchrizz, you welcome |
| 13:09.20 | nescius | vchrizz, there is an checker for udf structures in buring options |
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| 13:10.29 | niksie | Hi all |
| 13:10.35 | vchrizz | nescius: good, ill look through config, have to insert my dvd burner first ;) |
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| 13:11.04 | nescius | good luck |
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| 13:11.45 | niksie | I'm trying to set up a RAID-1 on an sata system with an ICH7 chipset. Both RAID and libata work fine, except when I try to hotswap. It seems that md holds onto the major/minor number where /dev/sdb used to be, so when it is replugged, it becomes /dev/sdc, which confuses mdadm |
| 13:11.45 | hark | nescius: were you able to get/hit the Release* or did it show an Ign/Err? |
| 13:11.58 | x_link | Is there any command in Debian I can use to see how fast my RAM works? |
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| 13:12.40 | niksie | so the raid works fine, I physically unplug my /dev/sdb, and when I plug it back in it comes back as /dev/sdc |
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| 13:12.41 | liable | niksie: do you fail the drive? |
| 13:12.56 | x_link | dd if=/dev/mem of=/dev/null A friend told me to run that, it works but at the same time it says "/dev/men bad adress" |
| 13:13.11 | niksie | mdadm shows it as having failed when I unplug it, want me to try to fail it manually? |
| 13:13.21 | liable | niksie: yeah |
| 13:13.32 | liable | then unplug replug |
| 13:13.44 | stew | niksie: you can use /dev/disk/by-label/ or /dev/disk/by-uuid/ instead and not have to worry about the device name changing |
| 13:13.44 | niksie | actually, its shown as removed right now |
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| 13:14.57 | niksie | stew: if I where to do that, and replug another, slightly different drive, would it still work? |
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| 13:16.08 | stew | niksie: by-uuid will have id that are unique to hte particular drive, by-label will be, if you give them different labels |
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| 13:16.21 | FrekoDing | hi |
| 13:16.50 | liable | niksie: ich7 supports hotplug i take it? |
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| 13:17.42 | FrekoDing | anyone can help me to configure alternatives ? |
| 13:17.47 | vchrizz | stew: hey, i didnt know i could use /dev/disk/by-label or by-uuid .. but i got only by-id and by-path there? |
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| 13:18.10 | niksie | liable: Yeah |
| 13:18.10 | stew | vchrizz: what version of udev do you have installed? |
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| 13:18.20 | niksie | at least, it hasn't started smoking yet |
| 13:18.23 | stew | niksie: oh, for raid disks, you are going to want by-uuid |
| 13:18.28 | vchrizz | stew: 0.105-4 |
| 13:18.37 | vchrizz | im using testing/lenny |
| 13:18.41 | vlt|home | Hello. Is there an clean and easy way to tell postfix not to try to send mail via the defined relayhost and to collect emails sent to it? |
| 13:18.47 | stew | vchrizz: dunno why you don't have by-uuid then |
| 13:18.56 | mark_s | Hi, we connect via nfs Clients (mac) to a server (debian etch). If one client opens a file it doesn't put a lock on it. So another client can chanche the file too. How can I solve this? |
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| 13:19.17 | vlt|home | The relayhost is configured wrong and refuses all emails at the moment ... |
| 13:19.29 | niksie | stew: hmm, by-label won't work? |
| 13:20.00 | stew | niksie: no, that is for filesystems, you are going to create the filesystem on top of the raid, not raid on top of a filesystem |
| 13:20.16 | niksie | ah, right |
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| 13:20.40 | niksie | but UUID won't allow me to rotate disks |
| 13:20.47 | niksie | right? |
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| 13:20.58 | z1z1z1 | hi |
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| 13:21.06 | stew | niksie: right |
| 13:21.16 | z1z1z1 | I can not start my linux |
| 13:21.20 | stew | niksie: uuid is specific to a particular disk |
| 13:21.25 | stew | z1z1z1: be more specific |
| 13:21.46 | niksie | ok |
| 13:21.47 | niksie | hmm |
| 13:21.49 | niksie | that's problematic |
| 13:21.52 | alexIdoia | hi is there a way to collect all the information about my machine and system and put them into a .txt file (for exemple) ? |
| 13:22.00 | niksie | Do you think EVMS might have a workaround? |
| 13:22.06 | niksie | or does that too start at the same level |
| 13:22.06 | z1z1z1 | my computer beeps two times and stops responding. it is a proliant server linux kernel 2.4 |
| 13:22.08 | dutchfish | mark_s, http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/nfs/ch11_01.htm |
| 13:22.21 | niksie | s/too// |
| 13:22.30 | mark_s | duchfish: thank you, I will read it |
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| 13:23.10 | zamaliphe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.24 | z1z1z1 | stew: II know this is not linux related but any idea how to start it? |
| 13:23.33 | stew | z1z1z1: sounds like this has nothing to do with linux then. find a hardware manual that tells you what those beeps mean |
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| 13:23.57 | stew | z1z1z1: it could mean something like a bad memory chip, or a bad pci card or who knows |
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| 13:24.47 | z1z1z1 | stew: 2beeps: error is bad parity in base memory |
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| 13:24.59 | vlt|home | For now I changed "relayhost" in postfix's main.cf to an invalid ip address ... but I think there must be a better way to set the mail queue "on hold". Any idea? |
| 13:25.11 | stew | z1z1z1: so you'll have to remove or replace the bad memory module |
| 13:25.13 | zamaliphe | stew: do you thing i should upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 13:25.26 | mark_s | which nfs version is etch using? |
| 13:25.32 | stew | zamaliphe: what is wrong with etch? |
| 13:25.56 | stew | mark_s: 2,3,4 |
| 13:26.02 | RichiH | !tell mark_s about pdo |
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| 13:26.15 | zamaliphe | stew: i need to upgrade my system |
| 13:26.17 | stew | i assumed he was asking about kernel support |
| 13:26.26 | zamaliphe | stew: and install the nvidia |
| 13:26.36 | mark_s | RichiH: what is pdo |
| 13:26.36 | stew | zamaliphe: why do you need to upgrade? |
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| 13:26.47 | zamaliphe | stew: etch looks out of data |
| 13:26.47 | RichiH | mark_s: dpkg should have sent you a message |
| 13:26.56 | liable | he wants teh cubes!?! |
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| 13:27.17 | mark_s | RichiH: ok, I found it |
| 13:27.33 | stew | zamaliphe: can you backport whatever is missing from etch? |
| 13:27.43 | liable | !irritate bob2 |
| 13:27.44 | dpkg | bob2: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable plz msg me, dunker |
| 13:27.52 | liable | bah |
| 13:27.54 | stew | zamaliphe: what specifically is in lenny that is too old in etch? |
| 13:28.07 | liable | twas the annoy |
| 13:28.30 | RichiH | mark_s: :) |
| 13:28.41 | liable | stew: why is debina so old?!? lollz! |
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| 13:29.04 | RichiH | liable: there is no bob2 |
| 13:29.15 | troubled | liable: ya you'd better run! :) |
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| 13:29.20 | liable | RichiH: there was |
| 13:29.21 | stew | did his soname change to 3? |
| 13:29.30 | RichiH | liable: .. |
| 13:29.32 | cydork | !penixstrike liable |
| 13:29.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking liable to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 13:29.35 | RichiH | liable: reallY |
| 13:29.38 | snoozle | hey guys, how can I get to that menu that 'apt-setup' used to get me in? where I can choose mirrors |
| 13:29.41 | RichiH | liable: tell me more ;) |
| 13:29.46 | snoozle | it seems its no longer available |
| 13:29.46 | liable | RichiH: ya, for many years |
| 13:29.49 | cydork | snoozle: it's not there anymore. |
| 13:29.54 | stew | snoozle: its gone, you have to edit it by hand |
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| 13:29.57 | cydork | snoozle: use apt-spy or netselect. |
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| 13:30.01 | mark_s | after the command nfsstat I get a list about my nfs Clients. When I read it it looks like only nfs v3 is busy and nfs v4 has everywhere 0%. Can I force the server to use only version 4? |
| 13:30.02 | RichiH | liable: i know that we had one of those vegemite munchers in here ;) |
| 13:30.02 | snoozle | ah |
| 13:30.03 | snoozle | thanks |
| 13:30.12 | RichiH | liable: i just meant that he is not here as of right now :) |
| 13:30.21 | onur | Hi. Can i write a new manual or something, or translate any wiki page to my regional language (turkish) in debian wiki ? |
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| 13:30.24 | liable | RichiH: easy fella, or i'll set my kangaroo onto ya! |
| 13:30.27 | liable | :P |
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| 13:31.27 | enouf | snoozle: the pkg name is netselect-apt |
| 13:31.33 | zamaliphe | stew: i don't know I'm shocked i have bout new Nvidia card and now i need to install the diver for it and libc6 in etch looks have conflect with unstable if i upgrade to lenny can i then install any thing from unstable ?? |
| 13:31.33 | liable | RichiH: he hasnt been here for a long while, the factoid i was after is quite funny though |
| 13:31.42 | RichiH | liable: i will counter with something in my reservoir of evolutionary superior mammals |
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| 13:31.51 | stew | zamaliphe: as i already told you, i don't help with non-free software |
| 13:32.02 | RichiH | liable: ah, i thought it was a command and you inserted bob2 |
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| 13:32.15 | RichiH | !irritate liable |
| 13:32.16 | dpkg | liable: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey ????? |
| 13:32.18 | liable | RichiH: nah, its specific to bob2 |
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| 13:32.24 | RichiH | liable: apparently ;) |
| 13:32.32 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 13:32.32 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:32.40 | liable | thats it |
| 13:32.45 | RichiH | heh |
| 13:32.53 | RichiH | ok, _that_ was bob2 specific |
| 13:33.00 | RichiH | he was a ne screens found magnet |
| 13:33.06 | asg | RichiH: yep |
| 13:33.13 | dutchfish | mark_s, NFS_CLIENT_VERSMAX=4 in /etc/default/nfs ? |
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| 13:33.45 | dutchfish | mark_s, on the client of coarse |
| 13:34.04 | RichiH | liable: he should have been around for the modularization of the xorg video drivers |
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| 13:34.07 | stew | seems like he wants MIN not MAX |
| 13:34.08 | RichiH | he would have loved it |
| 13:34.13 | mark_s | dutchfish: I will test it. |
| 13:34.15 | liable | heh |
| 13:34.50 | zamaliphe | stew: final question dose Lenny libc6 VER conflict with unstable ?? |
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| 13:35.12 | stew | zamaliphe: yes |
| 13:35.23 | stew | zamaliphe: lenny has the same libc6 as etch last time i looked |
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| 13:36.03 | zamaliphe | stew: can that been solved ? when ? |
| 13:36.18 | stew | zamaliphe: what do you mean? |
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| 13:36.28 | stew | zamaliphe: are you asking when lenny will get a new libc6? |
| 13:36.47 | e-manuel | stew: 2.5 ? |
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| 13:36.58 | zamaliphe | stew: ok thanks i'm upgrading to unstable now |
| 13:37.04 | ofirg_ | anyone have marvell LAN chip, and can tell me how to solve the disconnects problem? |
| 13:37.05 | stew | zamaliphe: i would not recommend that |
| 13:37.16 | e-manuel | Still some problems with gcj |
| 13:37.32 | e-manuel | (at least from my experience) |
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| 13:38.15 | zamaliphe | stew: will in my case that all i can do i have tray ed unstable befor and i know the rescue |
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| 13:39.29 | atealtha | I'm on testing and for some reason today GDM won't start. It says it cannot find nvidia and glx drivers, but I installed the correct nvidia bindary modules. Now to install nvidia-glx, it says there is a dependency but it is not installable. What can I do? |
| 13:39.46 | omri | what does dfsg in package versions stand for? |
| 13:39.50 | cydork | !dfsg |
| 13:39.50 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 13:40.05 | omri | thanks |
| 13:40.17 | stew | omri: when you see it in a package version it generally means that stuff was removed from the upstream sources to comply with the above guidelines |
| 13:40.34 | liable | atealtha: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:40.59 | omri | hmm, what does it mean about the kernel image and mysql-server ? |
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| 13:41.57 | atealtha | liable: strange, only one package installed now. thanks for the pointer |
| 13:42.10 | stew | omri: it means that some stuff was removed becuase it was non-free, for the kernel it was probably some binary firmware dump, for mysql-server, i don't know, but it could be something like a trademarked logo |
| 13:42.19 | liable | atealtha: i was after the version |
| 13:42.34 | atealtha | ah |
| 13:42.35 | atealtha | heh |
| 13:42.37 | liable | atealtha: you will only have one package of that installed |
| 13:42.37 | omri | are these stuff listed anywhere? |
| 13:42.43 | atealtha | 1.3.0.0.dfsg-3 |
| 13:43.10 | atealtha | right, thought it had to do with all the xorg modular packages |
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| 13:43.34 | liable | atealtha: thats a sid package |
| 13:43.54 | liable | or is it in lenny now? |
| 13:44.13 | liable | !info xserver-xorg-core lenny |
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| 13:45.13 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.1.1-21 (lenny), Packaged size: 3567 kB, Installed size: 10120 kB |
| 13:45.17 | liable | atealtha: either way, you need to downgrade -core |
| 13:45.55 | atealtha | sid is the unstable branch? |
| 13:45.55 | liable | atealtha: lenny still has the working one, which means yous is a sid package.. |
| 13:45.58 | snoozle | Hmm, is there a way to use the 'file' command to determine whether a file is a video file or not? I need either a way to simply tell me if its a video or not, or a list of all possible file outputs to a 'video' file |
| 13:45.59 | liable | yes |
| 13:46.10 | _slacker_ | vchrizz, solved! i only need to copy the hook for lvm2 in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks to /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks :) |
| 13:46.18 | _slacker_ | and remake the initrd |
| 13:46.43 | _slacker_ | vchrizz, only FYI :) |
| 13:46.59 | atealtha | liable: is this something I use apt-get for or is it aptitude or ? |
| 13:47.14 | atealtha | I already changed my sources and ran apt-get update |
| 13:47.19 | liable | atealtha: to do what? |
| 13:47.24 | atealtha | downgrade |
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| 13:47.48 | omri | snoozle, what's the output for, say, an .avi file? |
| 13:47.57 | pablo_ | hi, i have a problem with the browsers suddenly clossing |
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| 13:48.21 | liable | atealtha: you can use aptitude, but dpkg is easier. if you have absolutely no clue, i suggest you run etch for a while and get used to how the debain packaging system works |
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| 13:48.42 | liable | !debain |
| 13:48.42 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:49.01 | snoozle | omri, let me see |
| 13:49.05 | liable | thought i'd get in before everyone else.. |
| 13:49.10 | atealtha | heh |
| 13:49.18 | snoozle | omri, RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 200 x 150, 10.00 fps, video: Cinepak, audio: uncompressed PCM (mono, 11025 Hz) |
| 13:49.28 | snoozle | I have a feeling there are a lot of combinations for this |
| 13:49.31 | atealtha | liable: to be honest I don't know why it's on unstable |
| 13:49.43 | vchrizz | _slacker_: cool, thx for noticing |
| 13:49.56 | charasky | !debani |
| 13:49.59 | liable | atealtha: thats another good reason to run etch for a while and see how stuff works |
| 13:50.07 | charasky | !debaan |
| 13:50.09 | charasky | !debain |
| 13:50.09 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 13:50.18 | charasky | !debina |
| 13:50.19 | dpkg | debina is probably debian when you're typing too fast, or see "debain" |
| 13:50.23 | liable | !tell atealtha about reference |
| 13:50.31 | charasky | dpkg Xd |
| 13:50.31 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 13:50.36 | charasky | jajaja |
| 13:50.38 | sussudio | %abuse charasky |
| 13:50.38 | badgers | charasky: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 13:50.53 | charasky | sussudio excuse me |
| 13:50.56 | troubled | charasky: typosquating dpkg factoids? or just bot spamming? |
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| 13:51.11 | charasky | troubled excuse me |
| 13:51.12 | liable | bear him |
| 13:51.36 | jelly | charasky: msg the bot |
| 13:51.44 | troubled | charasky ;) |
| 13:51.50 | charasky | :S |
| 13:52.06 | omri | snoozle, you can use "file <file> | grep -i video" and check the return status |
| 13:52.10 | troubled | sussudio: *wave* |
| 13:52.15 | liable | charasky: as you have just found out, the bot isnt a toy :) |
| 13:52.24 | snoozle | omri, that doesn't work in a lot of cases, for instance, .mpg files |
| 13:52.27 | charasky | yes liable |
| 13:52.40 | snoozle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.44 | snoozle | thats the output of an .mpg file |
| 13:52.50 | omri | mmm, sec |
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| 13:54.11 | omri | see if you can get something working with ffmpeg\mplayer |
| 13:54.24 | omri | maybe generate a thumbnail for the video, and see if it fails |
| 13:54.33 | snoozle | it could fail for a lot of reasons |
| 13:54.52 | omri | I would also check if you could get the mime type of the file, maybe there's something like video/* |
| 13:55.01 | snoozle | yeah I was looking for it |
| 13:55.08 | snoozle | thought it'd be in /etc/mime.magic |
| 13:55.10 | snoozle | but guess not |
| 13:55.16 | snoozle | magic.mime I mean |
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| 13:55.40 | jelly | !rain |
| 13:55.40 | dpkg | Seattle has too much of it this year! |
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| 13:55.54 | snoozle | checking by extension is a little risky though, dont you think? |
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| 13:57.00 | omri | snoozle, I do, don't do that |
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| 13:57.18 | snoozle | omri, you work in Zend? |
| 13:57.33 | omri | no, why? |
| 13:57.40 | snoozle | nvm, had a feeling |
| 13:57.45 | snoozle | I thought I know you :P |
| 13:57.46 | backlight | i have access to a debian server and i need to find out what version it's running. how do i do that? |
| 13:57.56 | cydork | !version |
| 13:57.56 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 13:57.59 | cydork | backlight: ^^ |
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| 13:59.24 | backlight | !version doesn't work |
| 13:59.35 | omri | snoozle, that mime.magic file under /etc is part of a package |
| 13:59.40 | omri | it's called mime-support |
| 13:59.43 | pablo_ | hi, i have a problem with the browsers suddenly clossing |
| 13:59.51 | omri | it has a command named `see' |
| 14:00.00 | omri | look: |
| 14:00.06 | cydork | backlight: did you read the factoid? |
| 14:00.09 | omri | $ see index.php |
| 14:00.09 | omri | Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/x-httpd-php" |
| 14:00.29 | snoozle | but it works by extension |
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| 14:00.34 | snoozle | we don't want that :p |
| 14:00.36 | [0xDEADBEEF] | pablo_: try running it from a terminal and read the error that is produced in the terminal when the browser crashes |
| 14:00.51 | backlight | cydork: not really. just needed a quick answer. |
| 14:00.57 | omri | yes, just checked :\ |
| 14:01.11 | omri | thought it doesn't work by extension |
| 14:01.16 | jelly | backlight: you are now being frowned upon. |
| 14:01.17 | snoozle | omri, I think the best way is finding out all 'file' outputs for video files and use it as a 'database' |
| 14:01.20 | omri | I guess mime types are always by extension, even apache's |
| 14:01.24 | pablo_ | [0xDEADBEEF]: ok, |
| 14:01.29 | [0xDEADBEEF] | backlight: reading is essential to understanding anything. you should try it! |
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| 14:01.58 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 14:01.58 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
| 14:02.00 | omri | well, it wouldn't be so easy because the file output gives you some details about the file besides the type |
| 14:02.09 | [0xDEADBEEF] | jelly: lol |
| 14:02.13 | snoozle | yeah but all I need is a pattern |
| 14:02.17 | omri | what I would do is create my own magic database |
| 14:02.20 | omri | and tell file to use it |
| 14:02.23 | snoozle | the part without the details is good enough |
| 14:02.25 | omri | then check if it found anything. |
| 14:02.30 | [0xDEADBEEF] | snoozle: have you tried file? man file |
| 14:02.35 | snoozle | yes [0xDEADBEEF] |
| 14:02.47 | snoozle | I need a way to detect if its a video or not, in a script. |
| 14:02.56 | snoozle | file can have too many outputs for video files |
| 14:02.58 | omri | ahaha! |
| 14:02.59 | omri | # file -i bla |
| 14:03.00 | omri | bla: video/x-msvideo |
| 14:03.04 | snoozle | doh |
| 14:03.05 | [0xDEADBEEF] | ^^^ |
| 14:03.07 | snoozle | nice! |
| 14:03.12 | omri | file -i :) |
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| 14:03.20 | omri | file -i <file> | egrep ^video |
| 14:03.21 | snoozle | toda raba omri! |
| 14:03.26 | omri | bevakasha :) |
| 14:03.47 | omri | oh, don't mind that command |
| 14:03.49 | omri | it won't work |
| 14:03.58 | snoozle | yeah don't worry |
| 14:04.00 | snoozle | I know my bash :p |
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| 14:04.05 | omri | file -i <file> egrep '^.+: video/' |
| 14:04.10 | omri | file -i <file> | egrep '^.+: video/' |
| 14:04.11 | omri | :] |
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| 14:04.23 | jelly | snoozle: what about parsing the output of mplayer to see if it detected some video? "mplayer -vo null -ao null -endpos 0 foo.avi" |
| 14:04.38 | snoozle | that would work too |
| 14:04.39 | omri | jelly, what about the codecs you don't have installed? |
| 14:04.44 | omri | snoozle, I offered that :P |
| 14:04.50 | omri | something similar :] |
| 14:04.50 | snoozle | yeah but it's sluggish |
| 14:05.00 | omri | the file -i way is the best I suppose |
| 14:05.26 | omri | video/* mime types, what's more comfortable than that? :) |
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| 14:06.10 | omri | snoozle, btw, you might consider using the -k switch as well |
| 14:06.16 | zeroflag | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. |
| 14:06.19 | jelly | omri: mplayer knows that there is video even if it can't decode it, at least for the containers I've used (avi, mpeg). |
| 14:06.21 | zeroflag | is that good? :P |
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| 14:06.34 | omri | jelly, well, the file solution is simpler, don't you think? |
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| 14:07.04 | jelly | omri: lemme find an .avi without any video to see if it works :-) |
| 14:07.08 | xq | i read that as final solution |
| 14:07.18 | xq | and was like "wtf is omri talking about" |
| 14:07.26 | xq | ohh my tired eyes ;p |
| 14:07.31 | omri | heh |
| 14:07.38 | minus | Hi.. Does someone know any pages with a Baryl on Lenny guide? Or repositories?! |
| 14:07.38 | omri | didn't you know file is better than mplayer? :) |
| 14:07.57 | [0xDEADBEEF] | minus: wiki.beryl-project.org |
| 14:07.59 | jelly | depends on which file it is |
| 14:08.05 | omri | heh :) |
| 14:08.07 | xq | http://www.beryl-project.org |
| 14:08.10 | omri | just a regular /bin/file :) |
| 14:08.17 | [0xDEADBEEF] | minus: but beryl is going away, check out compiz.org |
| 14:08.18 | minus | [0xDEADBEEF], Is there really a guide for Lenny? |
| 14:08.18 | omri | sorry, /usr/bin/file |
| 14:08.23 | liable | haha, repositories! |
| 14:08.38 | minus | liable, ? |
| 14:08.47 | zeroflag | I'm getting segfaults on anything apt-get related I try.... any idea? |
| 14:08.55 | omri | zeroflag, bad libs? |
| 14:09.20 | snoozle | sounds like bad cache |
| 14:09.32 | minus | [0xDEADBEEF], but still.. Compiz can't be configured as good as beryl :/ |
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| 14:09.43 | [0xDEADBEEF] | minus: read compiz.org |
| 14:09.43 | xq | not yet |
| 14:09.45 | liable | minus: my dirty bad sense of humour, thought supositories |
| 14:09.46 | omri | oh well, I'm new to debian :] |
| 14:09.50 | xq | soon, they will merge ;p |
| 14:09.52 | [0xDEADBEEF] | *READ*!!!! |
| 14:10.11 | sandman | Does anybody here use screen? Doesn't it depend on /etc/termcap? apt-file search termcap returns no results, and my screen session produces garbled output |
| 14:10.16 | sandman | I think the lack of a termcap is why |
| 14:10.24 | snoozle | omri, what's the + means in that grep? |
| 14:10.29 | hark | zeroflag: even with an update? |
| 14:10.37 | minus | Hm.. They have seem to have updated Compiz a bit since i used it last time :D |
| 14:10.45 | [0xDEADBEEF] | ;) |
| 14:10.49 | omri | snoozle, .* is .{0,} .+ is .{1,} |
| 14:10.50 | hark | sandman: as i said, no more termcap |
| 14:10.51 | minus | Seems to be a bit more configurable .. |
| 14:10.55 | snoozle | oh shit omri :( |
| 14:11.00 | omri | what? |
| 14:11.02 | snoozle | d#] file -i montana.wmv |
| 14:11.02 | snoozle | montana.wmv: application/x-empty |
| 14:11.05 | snoozle | :( |
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| 14:11.10 | sandman | hark: Okay, no more termcap. What about screen? |
| 14:11.15 | omri | snoozle, can you even play that video? |
| 14:11.18 | snoozle | yes |
| 14:11.24 | zeroflag | hark: update works, install doesn't. |
| 14:11.25 | omri | is there anything in it? |
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| 14:11.36 | snoozle | oh wait, it got overwrited, phew |
| 14:11.43 | jelly | snoozle, omri: actually, in grep, + is a literal + character. in grep -E, however... |
| 14:11.44 | snoozle | meh I was scared |
| 14:11.54 | sandman | screen is such a necessary thing. Terminal multiplexor, detachable, etc |
| 14:11.56 | omri | jelly, wasn't that egrep? |
| 14:12.00 | vorsprung | hark, screen depends on libncursesw5 |
| 14:12.02 | omri | I meant to use egrep |
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| 14:12.15 | jelly | dunno, it scrolled off the screen ;-) |
| 14:12.20 | omri | I did use egrep :) |
| 14:12.27 | hark | sandman: are you using it in putty or something? |
| 14:12.40 | jelly | ... yup, you used egrep, my bad |
| 14:12.43 | sandman | hark: Yes sir. |
| 14:12.46 | omri | snoozle, works then? :] |
| 14:12.52 | snoozle | yes, I'm happy |
| 14:13.03 | hark | sandman: ok, have you set the encoding to utf8? |
| 14:13.04 | snoozle | file -i <file> | sed 's,.*:[[:space:]]\|/.*,,g' |
| 14:13.15 | hark | sandman: under Translation IIRC |
| 14:13.23 | sandman | hark: Hmm... no |
| 14:13.24 | snoozle | now I need ffmpeg working |
| 14:13.45 | omri | snoozle, you can use ffmpeg -i <file> |
| 14:13.48 | omri | will do the trick as well |
| 14:13.54 | sandman | I just did that |
| 14:13.59 | sandman | It was set to some Latin ISO before |
| 14:14.09 | hark | zeroflag: maybe give removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin a try. run an update afterwards |
| 14:14.15 | omri | # ffmpeg -i index.php |
| 14:14.15 | snoozle | I get Could not find video grab device |
| 14:14.16 | omri | ... |
| 14:14.19 | omri | index.php: Unknown format |
| 14:14.41 | hark | vorsprung: yes, i was talking about termcap |
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| 14:15.40 | sandman | So is UTF-8 a more or less universal encoding? |
| 14:15.47 | omri | abc, right back for the begining? |
| 14:15.56 | charasky | que recomiendan para instalar? |
| 14:15.59 | hark | sandman: so, it fixed the garbly warbly? |
| 14:16.00 | [0xDEADBEEF] | sandman: read the last paragraph of: http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/oldlibs/termcap-compat |
| 14:16.01 | qwertysvorak | omri, ?! |
| 14:16.03 | azeem | !es |
| 14:16.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:16.05 | liable | stop it |
| 14:16.09 | omri | qwertysvorak, ignore me :P |
| 14:16.13 | sandman | hark: Yes |
| 14:16.23 | charasky | azeem ok |
| 14:16.28 | hark | [0xDEADBEEF]: that's for libc5 only, the package is dead now IIRC |
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| 14:16.56 | [0xDEADBEEF] | right |
| 14:16.57 | qwertysvorak | Does someone know if Compiz have that old bug that the Wallpaper jumps if you click it? |
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| 14:17.15 | omri | wasn't there a BSD kernel for debian somewhen? :] |
| 14:17.19 | hark | sandman: nice :) well enjoy! |
| 14:17.29 | sandman | hark: So it worked the whole time |
| 14:17.34 | jetscreamer | mach? |
| 14:17.36 | sandman | screen wasn't doing anything wrong.. |
| 14:17.48 | azeem | omri: there's Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 14:18.06 | hark | sandman: certainly not termcap related :) |
| 14:18.10 | omri | any1 installed it over here? :P |
| 14:18.19 | azeem | omri: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 14:18.31 | liable | any1 even |
| 14:18.42 | hark | wud? |
| 14:18.48 | omri | heh, well, how would you rephrase that? |
| 14:18.50 | sandman | hark: I guess not |
| 14:18.52 | sandman | hark: You're smart. |
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| 14:18.58 | sandman | Whereas I am smrt. |
| 14:19.34 | liable | course u r |
| 14:19.40 | hark | !aww |
| 14:19.40 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 14:20.11 | jetscreamer | corse |
| 14:20.14 | omri | dpkg -L bot |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | No packages found matching bot |
| 14:20.46 | liable | jetscreamer: thats not even a word, like u or r |
| 14:21.01 | jetscreamer | liable: that's why you should have used it... :p |
| 14:21.09 | jetscreamer | u is a word? |
| 14:21.15 | liable | touche! |
| 14:21.24 | stew | liable: /msg dpkg fr |
| 14:21.34 | liable | must i? |
| 14:21.36 | stew | no |
| 14:21.48 | jetscreamer | omg he wants to touch me |
| 14:21.51 | jetscreamer | ... |
| 14:21.54 | charasky | That I can recommend for someone who does not know linux |
| 14:21.56 | charasky | ? |
| 14:22.00 | hark | http://dict.die.net/corse/ :) |
| 14:22.03 | liable | did i spell touche wrong? |
| 14:22.12 | azeem | charasky: what is "that"? |
| 14:22.23 | charasky | what |
| 14:22.27 | charasky | dont that |
| 14:22.34 | azeem | charasky: Debian |
| 14:22.35 | ofirg_ | anyone have asus mobo with marvell LAN and solved the disconnects problem? |
| 14:22.41 | jetscreamer | !tell charasky -about ask |
| 14:22.43 | azeem | charasky: otherwise, ask in #linux |
| 14:22.52 | charasky | azeem ok.. |
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| 14:23.41 | liable | ofirg_: you need to supply the actuall chipset for the lan driver, but its apparently known to be flaky |
| 14:23.54 | liable | if its the one i am thinking of |
| 14:23.56 | qwertysvorak | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:23.56 | qwertysvorak | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.56 | qwertysvorak | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.57 | qwertysvorak | E: Broken packages |
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| 14:24.00 | alexIdoia | hi what command can give me information on my machine ? |
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| 14:24.02 | liable | shy<something> |
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| 14:24.05 | qwertysvorak | sorry |
| 14:24.09 | liable | sky* |
| 14:24.17 | cydork | alexIdoia: what information? |
| 14:24.17 | qwertysvorak | But Can someone explain that error to me? |
| 14:24.20 | Eulex | alexIdoia, what kind of information? |
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| 14:24.29 | alexIdoia | cpu. ram disk |
| 14:24.32 | ofirg_ | liable, how do i check it? you know? |
| 14:24.33 | liable | i wanted a mobo with it, but it seems to suck |
| 14:24.35 | hark | alexIdoia: /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 14:24.35 | alexIdoia | everything really |
| 14:24.38 | jetscreamer | alexIdoia: note that's a very large question |
| 14:24.46 | jetscreamer | alexIdoia: cat /proc/something |
| 14:24.47 | alexIdoia | yeah |
| 14:24.49 | liable | ofirg_: lspci |
| 14:25.04 | jetscreamer | alexIdoia: lscpi also |
| 14:25.05 | Eulex | alexIdoia, cpu: cat /proc/cpuinfo, ram: free -m, disk: df -h |
| 14:25.14 | snoozle | hmm omri, any ideas how to use ffmpeg to size the output thumbnail? |
| 14:25.15 | alexIdoia | thanks |
| 14:25.17 | snoozle | -s isn't working |
| 14:26.26 | ofirg_ | liable, Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 19) |
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| 14:26.55 | hark | alexIdoia: whoops, it's /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 14:26.56 | ofirg_ | liable, Ethernet controller: Winbond Electronics Corp W89C940 |
| 14:27.15 | stew | snoozle: what is -s? |
| 14:27.18 | liable | ofirg_: ya, and which module? i was looking at mobos and that chip has definate problems, i think its the shy something modules |
| 14:27.27 | snoozle | stew, frame size apparently |
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| 14:27.36 | liable | ofirg_: it has two? |
| 14:27.41 | alexIdoia | hark, should I type that ? |
| 14:27.57 | ofirg_ | liable, yes two lans |
| 14:27.57 | hark | !tell alexIdoia about whats my hardware |
| 14:28.05 | hark | :) |
| 14:28.13 | liable | shit, twice i typed shy instead of sky |
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| 14:28.29 | xq | it means something! |
| 14:28.30 | apal | Hello |
| 14:28.56 | liable | xq: yes, it means i have had too many beers and its time for bed |
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| 14:29.05 | xq | yes |
| 14:29.29 | apal | Could someone help me ? I'm dist-upgrading to sid, and I don't know how to manage the bugs listed by apt-listbugs |
| 14:29.37 | liable | but, i am not going to go, because i need to finish this last beer first |
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| 14:29.49 | xq | lol |
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| 14:30.22 | liable | apal: no dude. if you cant manage, dont dist-upgrade to sid |
| 14:30.31 | qwertysvorak | Can someone tell me how to install beryl.. You just linked to the beryl homepage.. but they dont have ay instructions for Debian Lenny |
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| 14:31.03 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 14:31.03 | dpkg | hmm... beryl is probably a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), How-to and links to package repositories are here: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Debian |
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| 14:31.44 | apal | i'm asking about a feature of apt-listbugs, what does the -i option does ? is it the right way to -i the package we don't want to be upgraded ? |
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| 14:31.55 | qwertysvorak | abrotman, still no guide for Debian Lenny what i can see.. |
| 14:32.11 | abrotman | i'd imagine roughly the same .. |
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| 14:32.17 | abrotman | thoguh compiz is in debian :) |
| 14:32.53 | qwertysvorak | But I get an error when i try to install compiz |
| 14:33.14 | qwertysvorak | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.14 | qwertysvorak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:33.41 | abrotman | !info compiz-gtk lenny |
| 14:33.43 | dpkg | compiz-gtk: (OpenGL window and compositing manager - Gtk window decorator), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | are your sources up to date ? |
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| 14:34.05 | qwertysvorak | Yeah i guess |
| 14:34.17 | gulars | how do I choose what java engine should be default? |
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| 14:34.45 | qwertysvorak | I remeber that i tried it.. but the Wallpaper jumped when i clicked it.. you know.. the XFCE4 bug |
| 14:34.47 | qwertysvorak | Anyways.. |
| 14:34.55 | qwertysvorak | Im off now.. dinner |
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| 14:36.03 | hark | gulars: update-java-alternatives |
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| 14:36.11 | abrotman | qwertysvorak: aptitude update && aptitude install compiz |
| 14:36.18 | ofirg_ | liable, how do I know which ethX is which hardware? |
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| 14:36.35 | apal | what does the -i (ignore bug) option of apt-listbugs does ? remove the bug from the list ? remove the package from what will be installed ? |
| 14:36.58 | gulars | hark: thanks :D |
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| 14:37.13 | hark | ofirg_: basename `readlink /sys/class/net/ethX/device/driver/module` |
| 14:38.04 | ofirg_ | hard : basename? |
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| 14:38.36 | hark | or leave it.. it'll tell you the module for the ethX device |
| 14:38.57 | hark | (man basename) |
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| 14:40.07 | hark | you can always use something like ethtool for that too |
| 14:40.19 | gulars | hark: for some reason I don't have "update-java-alternatives" as a command - should I install something? |
| 14:40.56 | hark | gulars: as root? |
| 14:41.18 | hark | there's always update-alterantives --config java |
| 14:41.26 | krazykit | yay, gaim/pidgin 2.0 was released! |
| 14:41.29 | ofirg_ | I got confused with an other linux here |
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| 14:41.38 | ofirg_ | the eths I have are: |
| 14:41.41 | ofirg_ | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 4364 (rev 12) |
| 14:41.44 | gulars | krazykit: jah, but their site is down ;) |
| 14:41.53 | ofirg_ | and: |
| 14:41.55 | hark | gulars: it's part of java-common |
| 14:41.56 | ofirg_ | 05:04.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 14) |
| 14:42.16 | krazykit | gulars, not from sourceforge >_> |
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| 14:42.30 | ofirg_ | hark: one is /sky2, and one is skge |
| 14:42.48 | gulars | hark: well, I've installed java from the self extracting binary at sun's page |
| 14:43.00 | stew | gulars: why not use the debian packages? |
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| 14:43.42 | gulars | but when I ran update-alternatives --config java it gave me: "There is only 1 program which provides java (/usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1). Nothing to configure." |
| 14:44.01 | Wyzard | gulars: That's because you didn't use a package |
| 14:44.29 | Wyzard | gulars: Sun's self-extracting installer just dumps a bunch of files on your system that dpkg and the alternatives framework don't know anything about |
| 14:44.35 | hark | gulars: you should have at least used java-package |
| 14:44.42 | gulars | Wyzard: so I'd better uninstall the sun thingie and install it from a package? |
| 14:44.45 | Wyzard | yes |
| 14:45.01 | hark | gulars: etch has it in non-free |
| 14:45.06 | gulars | k |
| 14:45.33 | Wyzard | java-package is contrib, not non-free |
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| 14:45.37 | Wyzard | but why not just use the actual packaged Java? |
| 14:45.54 | Wyzard | sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-jdk or whatever |
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| 14:46.02 | hark | i meant sun-java :) |
| 14:46.20 | gulars | idunno, just had some sorta idea that debian didn't have any other java than the gji thing |
| 14:46.43 | Wyzard | Debian has official packages of Sun Java |
| 14:47.40 | gulars | but that's only for version five, or did that get a new name when they opensourced it for six or? |
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| 14:47.55 | yeladies | hi |
| 14:47.57 | Wyzard | 6 is packaged too |
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| 14:48.03 | Wyzard | maybe it didn't make it into etch? |
| 14:48.08 | Wyzard | If so, backports would probably have it |
| 14:48.38 | hark | yeah, 6 is not in etch afaik |
| 14:48.42 | gulars | and to get a backport of version six I'd have to change stuff in sources.list? |
| 14:48.54 | Wyzard | yeah, you'd have to add a line for backports.org |
| 14:48.58 | Wyzard | which is fine |
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| 14:49.29 | qwertysvorak | abrotman, it tells me to downgrade libmetacity/dev/0 and metacity common |
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| 14:49.41 | qwertysvorak | should i do this o_O |
| 14:50.10 | Wyzard | hmm... I'm a little confused though, because I see sun-java5 stuff on backports.org but not sun-java6 stuff |
| 14:50.28 | hark | ofirg_: not sure what's the difference between them, both are Yukon2-based |
| 14:50.31 | abrotman | qwertysvorak: up to you |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's a sarge backport |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: java6 is in sid though |
| 14:50.55 | Wyzard | ah, etch backports are in a separate package pool? |
| 14:51.07 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. but i didn't see a java6 there the other day |
| 14:51.08 | Wyzard | I know, but gulars is running etch |
| 14:51.14 | hark | qwertysvorak: you won't be using metacity, so probably ok.. though it's a bug :) |
| 14:51.18 | qwertysvorak | and when i pressed Yes.. It also tells me that its going to uninstall alot of pakages that i dont want to uninstall |
| 14:51.20 | qwertysvorak | :/ |
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| 14:52.02 | chops | Wyzard: etch backports already? That was quick |
| 14:52.05 | ofirg_ | hark: can I find out the driver version... becaus there is some driver on asus web site... but I need to redo the kernel for it and maybe I already have the driver in...? |
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| 14:53.13 | enouf | ofirg_: if their loaded modules, use modinfo |
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| 14:53.22 | hark | ofirg_: of skge/sky2? modinfo skge |grep version |
| 14:53.26 | enouf | er they're |
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| 14:55.11 | enouf | hark: j a fyi, that path to /lib/udev/vol-id issue i was having was for naught after all .. i found udevtest ;-) , but also learned about my /root vs ~ paths .. so a nice win win ;-) |
| 14:55.37 | anapivirtua | Salut / Hello / Ola |
| 14:55.48 | enouf | er vol_id |
| 14:56.57 | hark | enouf: hmm, i don't seem to remember that issue :) |
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| 14:57.59 | hark | but yeah, blame udev! |
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| 14:59.13 | enouf | hark: hrm .. right .. snagged the vol_id trick from one of your posts, but later had issues with my PATH= stuff, and it not working correctly .. but yeah, then you weren't around ;-) my bad |
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| 15:00.24 | hark | !congratulate enouf |
| 15:00.25 | dpkg | Woohoo enouf, you did it! |
| 15:00.31 | liable | anapivirtua: you forgot g'day! |
| 15:00.44 | cerridwen | aa |
| 15:00.54 | enouf | aloha? |
| 15:01.01 | cerridwen | ? |
| 15:01.06 | cerridwen | o_O |
| 15:01.11 | Techdeck | omri? |
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| 15:01.20 | liable | thats exactly what we are thinking cerridwen |
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| 15:01.50 | cerridwen | no i did not clean my keyboard ;P |
| 15:02.03 | pathway | I place my DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf... and it is removed periodicaly... Where do I set it permanmently? |
| 15:02.04 | cerridwen | strange, but sorry |
| 15:02.24 | Techdeck | Is there a command that'll return the length of a video? |
| 15:02.35 | liable | in time? |
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| 15:03.20 | Techdeck | yeah liable |
| 15:03.20 | enouf | mplayer and some from of checking the --index(?) maybe |
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| 15:03.34 | Techdeck | can ffmpeg do it? |
| 15:03.54 | minus | Ehm.. abrotman, something fucked up.. |
| 15:03.55 | liable | should be able to |
| 15:03.59 | minus | There is no windowmanager.. |
| 15:04.07 | krifur | i just install a xen kernel and i lost my sound! Any idea to get it back ? |
| 15:04.07 | Techdeck | any ideas how? I checked the manual and I don't see anything about it |
| 15:04.16 | minus | when I do "compiz --replace" i mean |
| 15:04.42 | enouf | i noticed after looking through /usr/share/file/magic.mime the lovely comment ->> # sigh, there are many mimes for that but the above are the most common. |
| 15:04.44 | krifur | compiz --replace works great here |
| 15:05.01 | pathway | I place my DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf... and it is removed periodicaly... Where do I set it permanmently? |
| 15:05.03 | enouf | I'm sure one can modify/update/add to that though |
| 15:05.43 | pickcoder | pathway: that is the perm location |
| 15:05.47 | pickcoder | find out what's changing it |
| 15:06.08 | abrotman | minus: ? |
| 15:06.20 | pickcoder | doesn't dhclient update it? |
| 15:06.23 | abrotman | minus: i don't use compiz |
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| 15:06.28 | minus | abrotman, ah.. |
| 15:06.29 | minus | ok.. |
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| 15:06.45 | [0xDEADBEEF] | pathway: NIN? |
| 15:06.52 | ofirg_ | hark: I looked in marvell website their driver version is 10.0.5.3 and mine are 1.5 and 1.6... looks strange |
| 15:06.59 | pathway | NIN.org, yes. |
| 15:07.05 | [0xDEADBEEF] | hahaha. |
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| 15:07.11 | pathway | How do you konw me? |
| 15:07.11 | minus | I think im going to uninstall it.. |
| 15:07.23 | pathway | Hey Brian. Going to Nerdfest this year? |
| 15:07.32 | minus | How should i do to uninstall all the Compiz pakages? |
| 15:07.32 | liable | hah |
| 15:07.35 | [0xDEADBEEF] | pathway: haha. were is the site... pm me lol |
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| 15:07.51 | endra | hey |
| 15:07.57 | endra | does debian have a wiki site? |
| 15:08.00 | endra | like gentoo-wiki |
| 15:08.17 | liable | wiki.debian.org |
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| 15:08.21 | hark | ofirg_: those may be proprietary drivers or something.. don't really know about marvell, sorry |
| 15:08.30 | liable | its not as good as gentoos though |
| 15:08.40 | endra | okay thank you |
| 15:08.44 | hark | ofirg_: link for the drivers? |
| 15:08.56 | pickcoder | public wikis get cluttered IMO |
| 15:09.01 | liable | for some strange reason debianites dont like to share there knowledge |
| 15:09.04 | endra | one more thing, I'm about to install debian for desktop use, anything I should know? What version, etc? |
| 15:10.03 | liable | endra: start with etch, when you get comfy, if its for a personal workstation, go for testing for the latest shits |
| 15:10.55 | endra | okay |
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| 15:12.55 | liable | endra: the only thing with debian is learning how to fuck with apt/dpkg when stuff is broken, the rest is the same pretty much |
| 15:12.55 | endra | suckers |
| 15:12.57 | endra | when stuff is broken? |
| 15:12.57 | liable | who are? |
| 15:12.58 | endra | the people who are on the other side of the split |
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| 15:12.58 | endra | :P |
| 15:13.02 | liable | endra: if you run testing, yeah, packages break sometimes |
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| 15:13.03 | [0xDEADBEEF] | good times... paintball, beer, and video games... |
| 15:13.03 | ofirg_ | hark: http://marvell.com/drivers/driverSearchResults.do |
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| 15:13.21 | endra | 'etch' is stable, right? |
| 15:13.30 | liable | why do you need video games when you have beer and paintball? |
| 15:13.33 | stew | endra: /topic |
| 15:13.42 | krifur | what can i check on my lenny , i don t have sound but alsamixer is not mute, alsa module are loaded and amarok read the mp3 but i have no sound ? |
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| 15:14.10 | stew | krifur: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 15:14.11 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 15:14.11 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 15:14.23 | endra | actually maybe I should try ubuntu before debian |
| 15:14.29 | krifur | thx |
| 15:14.36 | endra | (messing around with distros, seeing which ones I like) |
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| 15:15.11 | endra | you guys know much of the differences between debian/ubuntu ? |
| 15:15.28 | Pupeno | I've configured, in Gnome, the e to have the eurosign, but, how do I type it? |
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| 15:16.11 | xoz | endra: ubuntu is terrible if you are a developer. it is good for desktop |
| 15:16.26 | Pupeno | endra: Ubuntu is more for the end-user, faster release cicles and really polished dekstop. Debian is more stable, more for servers and power users. I am using Debian because it can encrypt my hard disk (suported on install). |
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| 15:16.32 | stew | one major difference between ubuntu and debian is ubuntu is off-topic |
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| 15:17.16 | endra | xoz, Pupeno: okay, I'll stick to debian for now then |
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| 15:17.42 | xoz | endra: good choice |
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| 15:18.12 | endra | xoz: yea, got debian on my dedi and I run gentoo now, so.. I liked how aptitude update/upgrade took less than an hour lol |
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| 15:19.07 | krifur | ok i just do the alsa check list and i still have no sound :/ |
| 15:19.09 | endra | one last question, how does the kernel work with debian? Prebuilt or do we compile it ourself? |
| 15:19.21 | krifur | endra: both |
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| 15:19.51 | stew | endra: your choice |
| 15:20.21 | krifur | endra: you can just dwld new kernel with apt-get and it will install automaticaly (and works 99% time) or compil it yourself |
| 15:20.40 | endra | krifur: can you locate your card in lspci? |
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| 15:21.22 | krifur | endra: yes but alsaconf find it already Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:21.22 | libervisco | Any tips regarding beryl on debian lenny? |
| 15:21.29 | yang | I keep getting the error - setting locale failed, and i have dpkg-reconfigured locales ? |
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| 15:21.40 | endra | krifur: did you unmute it? :P |
| 15:21.53 | krifur | endra: yes ^^ |
| 15:21.56 | stew | krifur: does alsaplay work? does it work as root? is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 15:22.11 | pfavr | Hi, I'm looking for the woody repositories, anyone knows where to go? |
| 15:22.13 | krifur | stew snd-pcm-oss is loaded |
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| 15:22.21 | endra | krifur: run 'alsamixer', double check that is isn't on MM |
| 15:22.22 | yang | pfavr: archive.debian.org |
| 15:22.31 | pfavr | yang: thanks |
| 15:22.51 | krifur | i m use to alsamixer i can burn to hell if it s mute right now ^^ |
| 15:22.52 | hark | ofirg_: hmm, what problems were you having with the nic? It seems the sky2 driver is a bit buggy |
| 15:22.59 | endra | krifur: Master and PCM should NOT be MM |
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| 15:23.22 | xoz | !alsa-checklist |
| 15:23.22 | dpkg | methinks alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 15:23.26 | hark | yang: have you logged out and in? |
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| 15:23.45 | endra | krifur: okay, just making sure :P does audio groups matter? |
| 15:23.59 | ofirg_ | hark: I use now the skge. But both have disconnection after some long period from hours to days and suddenly it is not connected |
| 15:24.16 | krifur | endra: audio:x:29:krifur |
| 15:24.25 | krifur | i don t find alsaplay ? |
| 15:24.30 | hark | aplay |
| 15:24.41 | stew | krifur: err, i meant aplay |
| 15:24.43 | alanhaggai | The icons in konqueror are very small. How do I change that? |
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| 15:24.52 | krifur | nothing come in out with aplay |
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| 15:25.04 | stew | krifur: does it work as root? |
| 15:25.09 | stew | krifur: do you have more than one audio card? |
| 15:25.28 | krifur | aplay /home/tata/download/test.mp3 nothing :/ |
| 15:25.32 | krifur | nope just one |
| 15:25.39 | krifur | dont work with root |
| 15:25.56 | cahoot | aplay doesn't handle mp3 |
| 15:26.02 | OrangeRoot1k | !dpkg nvidia-one liner |
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| 15:26.07 | krifur | wav ? |
| 15:26.09 | hark | play a wav or something .. aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav |
| 15:26.13 | krifur | ok |
| 15:26.15 | cahoot | but - you would at least get some noise |
| 15:26.29 | stew | or an error about a corrupted pcm header |
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| 15:26.40 | OrangeRoot1k | !dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 15:26.49 | stew | krifur: can you show us the output of 'amixer'? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:26.53 | OrangeRoot1k | ok why is it not working |
| 15:26.56 | nikin | can anyone help me to install Xfce-desktop using hakix? |
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| 15:27.07 | stew | nikin: what is hakix? |
| 15:27.11 | krifur | no sound with the wav |
| 15:27.42 | cahoot | krifur: you've already run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base? |
| 15:27.48 | nikin | stew: its kinda automatix... |
| 15:27.56 | alanhaggai | The icons in konqueror are very small. How do I change that? |
| 15:28.02 | nikin | makes easy to do some installing |
| 15:28.12 | stew | nikin: what is automatix? |
| 15:28.15 | Pupeno | alanhaggai: kcontrol, search for icons. |
| 15:28.20 | azeem | stew: Ubuntu crack |
| 15:28.32 | krifur | stew: http://paste.debian.net/27164 |
| 15:28.33 | nikin | http://code.google.com/p/hakix/ |
| 15:28.39 | alanhaggai | Pupeno: I did change there. But it is just changing the size of the desktop icons. |
| 15:28.55 | cydork | nikin: why not use aptitude/apt-get/synaptic?? |
| 15:29.08 | azeem | cydork: because beryl?? |
| 15:29.10 | krifur | cahoot: don t work either |
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| 15:29.45 | cydork | azeem: aah that crap :P |
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| 15:30.20 | krifur | i tell that at the beginning but the sound goeas away after i boot on a xen kernel (i want to initiate to virtualisation) |
| 15:30.23 | liable | beryl is actually quite nice |
| 15:30.33 | cydork | liable: snap out of it!! |
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| 15:30.39 | Pupeno | alanhaggai: there are more options there. But otherwise, I think in the View menu you can change the size of icons. |
| 15:30.48 | x_link | Doesn't "dir" and "ls" show almost the samet hings? |
| 15:30.50 | x_link | things? |
| 15:30.58 | stew | heh |
| 15:31.08 | krifur | i think if i go back with my old kernel sound will works but, i would like to make it works on this one |
| 15:31.08 | liable | cydork: it is. beats the fucking ugly gtk gnome window manager |
| 15:31.08 | yang | hark: language and LC_ALL are unset |
| 15:31.11 | alanhaggai | Pupeno: Yes. The View menu helped. Thank you very much :) |
| 15:31.12 | x_link | Right now I'm in my home folder and I type "dir" and then I do "ls" and it shows the same things. |
| 15:31.15 | stew | there is a button for "install xfce" right next to one that says "install kde" |
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| 15:31.23 | stew | as if those operations are so common that they need big buttons |
| 15:31.23 | qiyong | is sata using dma? |
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| 15:31.32 | x_link | Or am I totaly wrong? |
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| 15:31.48 | krifur | qiyong: i dont think so |
| 15:31.57 | cydork | liable: what's wrong with compiz ? |
| 15:32.09 | liable | cydork: same same |
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| 15:32.21 | krifur | qiyong: hdparm don t work with sata disk so ... |
| 15:32.26 | qiyong | krifur, sata needn't sata and hdparam? |
| 15:32.49 | qiyong | krifur, sata doesn't have the dma concept? |
| 15:32.51 | stickybit` | kdesu kcontrol -> periperals -> Display is crashing kcontrol in Debian 4.0 Etch |
| 15:33.04 | liable | cydork: i had problems with it at some stage and switched, now xgl is broken totally for me. i dont care either way, i just think its a very coll desktop |
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| 15:33.33 | stew | qiyong: sata uses dma, otherwise it would be extremely slow |
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| 15:34.01 | cydork | liable: ati? :) |
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| 15:34.07 | krifur | stew: i wasn t sure ^^ |
| 15:34.42 | krifur | any idea for my sound pb ? |
| 15:35.08 | stew | krifur: not unless for some reason its tryign to put iec958 through whatever port you are trying to use |
| 15:35.10 | liable | cydork: yeah, i had it running for 6 months or so, but its broken now, and i have lost the urge to fix it, and am hoping ati will just fix the fucking aiglx needs |
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| 15:35.23 | stew | krifur: which, by the way, are you sure you are plugged in to the correct port? |
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| 15:36.03 | cydork | liable: /me stays away from ati/nvidia. intel FTW :P |
| 15:36.20 | stew | if only they made add-in cards... |
| 15:36.37 | krifur | stew: yes but sound working great until i swith kernel , i dont touch to anything i just reboot on a 2.6.16 and i have no sound so maybe there is modules or something missing ? |
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| 15:36.40 | liable | cydork: i didnt have the choice for my laptop |
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| 15:37.08 | hunterones2 | does the deb 3.1 have a file such as /etc/rc.local on slackware?? to start my scripts i want... |
| 15:37.17 | krifur | i was previously running with the 2.6.18.3 |
| 15:37.17 | asg | hunterones2: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 15:37.27 | hunterones2 | asg, ty! |
| 15:37.58 | stew | hunterones2: no, 3.1 does not have rc.local, 4.0 does. its considered a hack however, you should consider writing a real init script |
| 15:38.09 | cydork | liable: oh ok.. you had a thinkpad right? |
| 15:38.26 | hunterones2 | stew, let an executable script on my runlevel rc? |
| 15:38.27 | liable | ya |
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| 15:38.51 | yeladies | can someone help me? i'm trying to use open source drivers for my ati mobility radeon x700 but when i startx or kdm the screen goes black but welcome sound from alsa can be listened |
| 15:39.27 | valdyn | yeladies: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log or paste it for us to see |
| 15:39.35 | yeladies | ok |
| 15:39.45 | stew | hunterones2: i didn't understand the question |
| 15:39.58 | valdyn | yeladies: can you ctrl-alt-fx to get away from that black screen? |
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| 15:40.11 | yeladies | valdyn: YES |
| 15:40.21 | hunterones2 | stew, i mean: do i have to let an executable script on my /etc/rc{runlevel}.d/ folder like anyother else? |
| 15:40.38 | syntaxx | when i try to run make it says no command what do i need to install for it to run? |
| 15:40.39 | yeladies | i can heard sound when i start session |
| 15:40.48 | valdyn | yeladies: your gfx card is going behind your displays specs, probably |
| 15:40.57 | valdyn | yeladies: let me see your Xorg.0.log though.. |
| 15:41.19 | yeladies | uhm i need to restart x with this driver |
| 15:41.20 | stew | hunterones2: typically you would put an executable script in /etc/init.d/ then use update-rc.d or rcconf to create symlinks from the various runlevels |
| 15:41.31 | valdyn | yeladies: you could verify what i said by doing ctrl-alt-+ till you get a proper display |
| 15:41.51 | hunterones2 | stew, thanks a lot! |
| 15:41.56 | yeladies | ok, i 'll try it wai!! xD |
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| 15:42.03 | yeladies | thanks valdyn |
| 15:42.08 | stew | hunterones2: read /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:42.26 | valdyn | yeladies: that key combo will switch through available resolutions, one of those should be ok for your display |
| 15:42.51 | syntaxx | stew: is there no gnumake in debian etch? |
| 15:42.59 | valdyn | syntaxx: make is gnumake |
| 15:43.17 | syntaxx | valdyn: yeah but when i run make it says command not found |
| 15:43.24 | valdyn | syntaxx: so install it |
| 15:43.30 | hunterones2 | stew, i will do it now! thanks again! |
| 15:43.38 | valdyn | !b-e syntaxx |
| 15:43.38 | dpkg | syntaxx: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 15:46.31 | syntaxx | valdyn: thats on a fresh install debian etch? coz whenever i tried to apt-get install build-essential it doesnt install |
| 15:46.52 | valdyn | syntaxx: what does it do then? |
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| 15:47.09 | yffer | hi... i have problem showing danish letters in php, what is the correct locale settings for php ? |
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| 15:47.24 | yffer | test side is here : www.easywebhost.dk |
| 15:47.43 | EvilSporkMan | anyone know how to build just one deb out of a large source package? (e.g., konsole in kdebase) |
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| 15:48.58 | valdyn | yffer: characeters look fine here |
| 15:49.19 | valdyn | yffer: err, some do |
| 15:50.12 | valdyn | yffer: i know nothing about php, but you want to output whatever charset is set in the html document |
| 15:50.32 | valdyn | yffer: which is iso-8859-1 in this case ( or nothing, defaulting to .. ) |
| 15:50.49 | syntaxx | valdyn: it says couldnt find package |
| 15:51.07 | valdyn | !info build-essential sid |
| 15:51.11 | valdyn | !info build-essential etch |
| 15:51.11 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:51.15 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 15:51.30 | valdyn | syntaxx: what system are you running? knoppix? ubuntu? |
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| 15:51.48 | syntaxx | valdyn: debian etch |
| 15:51.50 | stew | syntaxx: you haven't setup /etc/apt/sources.list properly then |
| 15:51.59 | stew | syntaxx: you must be missing a main debian mirror |
| 15:52.00 | valdyn | syntaxx: show us that file |
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| 15:52.03 | yeladies | ree |
| 15:52.20 | yeladies | ok i have the .log |
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| 15:52.37 | valdyn | yeladies: did that ctrl-alt-+ thing work? |
| 15:52.43 | yeladies | nope |
| 15:52.52 | valdyn | !paste |
| 15:52.52 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 15:52.59 | valdyn | !pastebin |
| 15:52.59 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 15:53.12 | valdyn | aww, use one method above ^^ and paste this log file |
| 15:53.29 | yeladies | ok wait |
| 15:54.45 | yeladies | http://rafb.net/p/VVjkIN76.html |
| 15:54.47 | yeladies | here |
| 15:55.58 | valdyn | yeladies: got a spare vga monitor? |
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| 15:56.29 | yeladies | laptop |
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| 15:56.46 | valdyn | yeladies: yea, i know, but no spare display? |
| 15:57.12 | hark | yang: you have to logout and log back in after a dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:57.43 | valdyn | yeladies: so? |
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| 15:57.55 | yeladies | uhm, sorry but mi english is poor |
| 15:58.05 | valdyn | yeladies: do you have an extra VGA display? |
| 15:58.06 | yeladies | i don't know waht means spare |
| 15:58.12 | yeladies | no |
| 15:58.30 | endra | kde on debian easy to install? |
| 15:58.38 | yeladies | endra: yes |
| 15:58.47 | stew | endra: "aptitude install kde" |
| 15:58.51 | yeladies | :D |
| 15:58.52 | endra | that easy eh |
| 15:58.56 | valdyn | yeladies: can you disable the VGA connector of your notebook in the bios? |
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| 15:59.02 | raf256 | hellow fellow debian users |
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| 15:59.11 | yeladies | uhm, i don't know |
| 15:59.12 | endra | greetings |
| 15:59.16 | yeladies | but i can try |
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| 15:59.49 | yeladies | wait, im going to reboot xD |
| 15:59.53 | valdyn | yeladies: the X server runs fine, ctrl-alt-+ should give plenty viable resolutions |
| 16:00.13 | valdyn | yeladies: my suspicion is the your X Server MIGHT output to the vga connector, not your LCD display |
| 16:00.21 | yeladies | y sue ctrl-alt-+ but doesnt work |
| 16:00.35 | yeladies | ok |
| 16:00.47 | yeladies | i'll try XD thanks valdyn |
| 16:00.50 | yeladies | :D |
| 16:01.22 | endra | off I go to install debian, be back in a bit |
| 16:01.23 | endra | thanks for the help |
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| 16:02.06 | yeladies | i'll try to use an extra vga and if it works i know the problem :D |
| 16:02.27 | valdyn | yeladies: right, if its just that problem, that can be fixed |
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| 16:02.47 | valdyn | yeladies: if its not, then the X server is doing something wrong, which you probably could not fix |
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| 16:03.07 | yeladies | xD |
| 16:04.01 | valdyn | yeladies: your primary display is 'VGA', secondary 'LVDS'. On my notebook that's reversed |
| 16:04.37 | valdyn | yeladies: is this a custom kernel? |
| 16:04.42 | valdyn | yeladies: or a debian kernel? |
| 16:04.42 | yeladies | uhm |
| 16:04.46 | yeladies | no debian kernel |
| 16:04.54 | yeladies | but i downloaded the headers |
| 16:05.31 | valdyn | yeladies: you should have a fn-fx key combo to switch displays too |
| 16:05.33 | yeladies | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 16:05.36 | valdyn | yeladies: ok |
| 16:05.53 | valdyn | yeladies: at least thinkpads have that. |
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| 16:06.10 | valdyn | yeladies: but... disabling VGA in your bios could be the easiest solution anyway |
| 16:06.16 | yeladies | ok |
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| 16:06.40 | valdyn | yeladies: linux console will just output to both, normally, X only to one ( and the wrong one in your case ) |
| 16:07.22 | yeladies | ok |
| 16:07.24 | yeladies | xD |
| 16:07.34 | yeladies | well i going to my bios |
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| 16:07.47 | yeladies | i tell u when i have it |
| 16:08.15 | valdyn | yeladies: ok, i'll be gone. If you have more questions later, use /msg. I may not answer before tomorrow though, so uh, someone else might help |
| 16:08.17 | syntaxx | stew: what mirror should i be using? i only have security |
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| 16:08.41 | stew | syntaxx: security is not a full mirror, it only has pacakges which have had security updates: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 16:13.46 | yeladies | ree |
| 16:14.07 | yeladies | valdyn: i'm using the open source driver |
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| 16:14.11 | yeladies | but on one screen |
| 16:14.26 | yeladies | in my bios i can't disable it |
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| 16:16.20 | yeladies | if i put in my xorg conf Option"MonitorLayout""LVDS, CRT" |
| 16:16.29 | yeladies | can work? |
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| 16:18.26 | pickcoder | why would there be a read error over NFS if I'm root, accessing a share from another machine |
| 16:18.45 | pickcoder | the owership of the dir is <user>.users |
| 16:18.50 | pickcoder | owner rwx |
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| 16:19.33 | pickcoder | mount |
| 16:19.35 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 16:19.39 | yeladies | FIXED!! |
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| 16:25.00 | pickcoder | ah.. forgot to enable no_root_squash on the share |
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| 16:26.39 | muhoo_ | how can i find out which modules the initrd is loading? |
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| 16:27.12 | muhoo_ | i want to build them into the kernel CONFIG_FOO=y, but first i have to find out which ones *need* to be built in, i.e. which modules the SATA/PATA are using |
| 16:27.19 | muhoo_ | and remove the initrd |
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| 16:27.49 | HymnToLife | muhoo_, boot a stock kernel and run lsmod |
| 16:27.55 | muhoo_ | yeah, i did that |
| 16:28.01 | muhoo_ | i get two dozen modules |
| 16:28.10 | muhoo_ | and *none* for the SATA/PATA |
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| 16:28.30 | muhoo_ | which made me wonder if the initrd loaded them and then lsmod doesn't show them? |
| 16:28.44 | muhoo_ | in other words: if the initrd loads a module, will lsmod show it? |
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| 16:29.33 | HymnToLife | yep |
| 16:29.39 | muhoo_ | :-/ |
| 16:29.48 | HymnToLife | or at lest it does here, and I can't see any reason why it wouldn't |
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| 16:29.56 | monkeyBox | Does anyone know why installing php4-imagick causes php4-gd to be uninstalled? those two should not be mutually exclusive |
| 16:30.15 | HymnToLife | monkeyBox, file a bug report, then |
| 16:30.16 | muhoo_ | hmm. the only one that looks like it might be not =y'ed is sd_mod. |
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| 16:30.35 | muhoo_ | probably critical since my drives are /dev/sdX |
| 16:30.39 | muhoo_ | i'll try that one |
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| 16:32.11 | muhoo_ | nope, that's weird. it's already in there |
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| 16:32.23 | muhoo_ | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y |
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| 16:33.09 | muhoo_ | the initrd is built with makd-kpkg --initrd. is there any way to edit the initrd, add something to its /linuxrc, or anything? |
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| 16:34.23 | stew | muhoo_: no, make-kpkg --initrd doesn't create an initrd. it creates a debian package which would create an initrd as part of the postinst when the pacakge is installed or reconfigured |
| 16:35.03 | muhoo_ | well, it says it makes the image, and it reports that at kernel build time. |
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| 16:35.24 | stew | muhoo_: no it doesn't, it builds the initrd at install time |
| 16:35.33 | muhoo_ | bummer. thanks. |
| 16:35.38 | stew | muhoo_: which initrd creator was used to create the initrd? these days they are gzipped cpio archives, you can unzip and cpio -i them, then edit and cpio -o and rezip them |
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| 16:36.16 | Ind[y] | How do I produce a .diff file with diff? |
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| 16:36.42 | stew | Ind[y]: diff file1 file2 > output.diff |
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| 16:36.48 | Ind[y] | thx |
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| 16:36.51 | stew | Ind[y]: diff -u is often desired |
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| 16:37.07 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.22 | muhoo_ | dpkg -L kernel-packagename doesn't show the initrd |
| 16:37.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching kernel-packagename doesn't show the initrd |
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| 16:37.43 | stew | muhoo_: right, becuase the kenrel pacakges don't contain initrds, they are created at install time |
| 16:37.56 | stew | muhoo_: is initramfs-tools or yaird install? which? |
| 16:38.17 | muhoo_ | stew: yaird isn't installed, so it must be initramfs |
| 16:38.29 | stew | muhoo_: is initramfs-tools installed? |
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| 16:38.41 | stew | muhoo_: it could be mkinitrd as well |
| 16:38.58 | stew | muhoo_: you could also just 'dpkg-reconfigure pkgname' and see what it does, it will tell you what it is using |
| 16:39.03 | muhoo_ | i don't have mkinitrd installed either. |
| 16:39.06 | muhoo_ | mkinitramfs is |
| 16:39.41 | muhoo_ | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. |
| 16:40.16 | muhoo_ | oh! |
| 16:40.17 | muhoo_ | duh! |
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| 16:40.38 | muhoo_ | the initrd is right there in /boot, i can do with it whatever i please |
| 16:40.53 | muhoo_ | although if i reinstall the kernel image, my changes will get wiped out |
| 16:41.12 | Xires | !find mod-define |
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| 16:41.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mod-define' returned no results. |
| 16:41.29 | stew | muhoo_: right |
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| 16:42.28 | muhoo_ | it is a gzipped cpio archive |
| 16:42.49 | stew | yes |
| 16:42.53 | muhoo_ | hmm... i thought they were ext2fs images. |
| 16:44.22 | itchi | If i setup NIS with ipsec on a server, should i install ipsec on the client too? |
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| 16:45.45 | Vanzetti | hi geeks |
| 16:45.53 | azeem | hi |
| 16:46.56 | Vanzetti | i'm new here, and just trying to be a new debian maintener, perhaps i'll have questions about this, can I ask my questions there ( if I don't find answer in docs ) ? |
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| 16:47.23 | azeem | Vanzetti: you can try, but those kind of questions are not that much on topic here |
| 16:47.32 | azeem | somebody might know, though |
| 16:47.41 | azeem | Vanzetti: there should be a #debian-mentors channel on irc.debian.org, I think |
| 16:47.46 | stew | there is |
| 16:47.57 | karsten | muhoo_: No. oldschool initrd were cramfs images, modern ones are gzipped cpio. Debian made the change during the etch release processs IIRC. |
| 16:48.08 | muhoo_ | well i think i'm giving up on this approach. i'll throw money at the problem instead, and just buy an external firewire card rather than trying to get the built-in one to work |
| 16:48.11 | Vanzetti | azeem, oh ok :) thanks for the tip |
| 16:48.14 | mfrisch | Vanzetti: there is a debian development irc I believe on the official server |
| 16:48.15 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.26 | muhoo_ | yeah, i remmeber it being different |
| 16:48.26 | Vanzetti | ok :) |
| 16:48.34 | muhoo_ | damn |
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| 16:49.06 | itchi | If i look with wireshark, i get some packets about YPSERV. I see there my password encode. Which one is it? |
| 16:49.27 | karsten | muhoo_: With cramfs you could simply mount the image and investigate it. Both have the disadvantage that you've got to rebuild them (neither is a format you can simply copy stuff into). The cpio.gz style requires you unpack it to investigate it. Not huge but I never use cpio other than for that and it's got a weird syntax. |
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| 16:49.54 | muhoo_ | tar has a pretty weird syntax too. |
| 16:50.10 | muhoo_ | as does dd, perhaps the weirdest ever. i think they all come from the same era and nobody wanted to change them |
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| 16:50.24 | muhoo_ | because it would have broken backup/restore scripts if they had |
| 16:50.26 | karsten | muhoo_: I use tar frequently though. |
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| 16:50.36 | azeem | muhoo_: nobody wanted to break legacy scripts, e.g., rather |
| 16:50.38 | muhoo_ | IIRC gnu tar was a big controversy, because it added flags and changed them |
| 16:50.44 | karsten | muhoo_: dd is a mainframe command, the argument style is very common in JCL. |
| 16:50.52 | Amarande | hmm, is this kernel image update actually important enough to reboot for? |
| 16:50.56 | itchi | I have try with 'Banana' and i get it encoded as $1$xPjIcAas$VuW/I4wGh... with which tool can i convert that encoded pass? |
| 16:51.24 | Amarande | muhoo, the only time I've seen tar add and change flags was when bzip2 became popupar |
| 16:51.25 | muhoo_ | ok, i'll be lazy and ask here: is there a kernel flag which will give me a busybox shell instead of running init? |
| 16:51.26 | Amarande | er, popular |
| 16:51.33 | itchi | I'm trying to setup my NIS+ipsec, i think my pass is still in plain ascii with a little encoded algo |
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| 16:51.45 | Amarande | muhoo_, "init=/whatever/you/want/to/run" |
| 16:51.55 | muhoo_ | ah! yes, i remember now. thanks! |
| 16:52.00 | karsten | muhoo_: what Amarande said. |
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| 16:52.21 | Amarande | make sure what you want to run is on the / partition |
| 16:52.24 | karsten | muhoo_: Not sure what happens when you invoke busybox as busybox. |
| 16:52.36 | muhoo_ | been years since i messed with this stuff |
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| 16:53.08 | karsten | muhoo_: format is "busybox <cmdnamd>" |
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| 16:53.52 | karsten | muhoo_: ... and I'm not sure how that will work with the kernel parameter. Eg: "init=/bin/busybox\ ash" |
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| 16:54.12 | karsten | ... might give up looking for the executable "/bin/busybox<space>ash" and get very unhappy. |
| 16:54.29 | karsten | muhoo_: Generally you'd have a symlink farm. |
| 16:54.29 | muhoo_ | i think it is ln -s to /bin/sh |
| 16:54.32 | itchi | I guess that the ipsec should use a SSH like crypted protocol. What i still not see, so ipsec is not yet working :-( |
| 16:54.36 | karsten | Yes. |
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| 16:54.56 | karsten | well, ln -s /bin/ash /bin/busybox; ln -s /bin/sh /bin/ash |
| 16:55.11 | karsten | er, 'sh' should work as well. |
| 16:55.28 | karsten | or you could create /bin/.busybox/ with symlinks in it, maybe. |
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| 16:55.56 | Amarande | I wonder how long before we start seeing companies sell "ssh tunnel endpoint" services. :) |
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| 16:56.16 | muhoo_ | actually sh is a statically linked bin |
| 16:56.38 | karsten | muhoo_: What I meant was that busybox recognizes 'sh' as a valid argument. |
| 16:57.09 | karsten | Pretty damned impressive. Thanks, Bruce. |
| 16:57.39 | karsten | Pity. |
| 16:57.39 | karsten | Doesn't include cc ;-) |
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| 16:57.56 | muhoo_ | busybox rules |
| 16:57.59 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:57.59 | karsten | But there's 159 commands in there. |
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| 16:58.32 | Amarande | are the linux-*-2.4.18 updates that just came out for etch security updates, or just updates? |
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| 16:58.42 | Amarande | and what bug do they address? |
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| 16:59.34 | itchi | Someone know a good NIS+encryption setup? |
| 16:59.37 | klikklak | I had fatal unstability with stock kernel 2.6.18 should I report this as a bug ? |
| 16:59.37 | valdyn | Amarande: read it yourself? |
| 16:59.47 | valdyn | klikklak: certainly |
| 16:59.47 | muhoo_ | man, who did this initrd? |
| 16:59.58 | muhoo_ | was it erik anderson, or the debian people? it's quite slick |
| 17:00.06 | itchi | I'm kinda lost. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/37 is not clear enought for me |
| 17:00.20 | karsten | Woah, including ftpget/ftpput, httpd, loadfont, rpm2cpio, rpm (but no dpkg, though it's got ar, tar, and gzip so you're OK), start-stop-daemon, swapoff/on, syslogd, telnet/telnetd. |
| 17:00.39 | karsten | dayum: the web and telnet server surprise me. |
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| 17:01.15 | itchi | As first, im a bit lost to make that certification, and then on the end of that article, setting up the thing. I did it, but how can i test that the thing works? |
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| 17:01.42 | valdyn | klikklak: mind though, bugs without at least a description making reproducing possible is almost useless |
| 17:01.49 | karsten | That, screen, ssh{,d}, and you're pretty much in business. |
| 17:01.58 | muhoo_ | so, it looks like it is udev that is loading my modules at boot time |
| 17:02.11 | muhoo_ | and i don't know crap about udev |
| 17:02.32 | muhoo_ | too much magic!! |
| 17:02.36 | valdyn | muhoo_: udev gets hotplug signals by the kernel and in turn loads the module |
| 17:03.00 | muhoo_ | how would one trace what it is doing, i.e. which modules it is loading in which order, to go with which devices? |
| 17:03.17 | karsten | muhoo_: Should be logged to /var/log/kern.log |
| 17:03.20 | muhoo_ | i want to find out: which modules *exactly* is it loading to get the root fs |
| 17:03.26 | karsten | muhoo_: ... I think. |
| 17:03.29 | valdyn | mark_s: 'udevmonitor' |
| 17:03.36 | muhoo_ | nope |
| 17:03.49 | valdyn | muhoo_: udev doesnt load that module |
| 17:03.52 | muhoo_ | not every module announces itself properly with a printk that makese snse |
| 17:04.09 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.19 | muhoo_ | i'm trying to build into the kernel, the modules which are needed to mount the root fs |
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| 17:04.39 | muhoo_ | however, i have NFI which modules those are. i've tried to guess, but i've guessed wrong, since i get panics with "can't find root fs" |
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| 17:04.53 | valdyn | muhoo_: that's listed in your initrd tool somewhere, depending on which initrd tool you use |
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| 17:05.06 | muhoo_ | "somewhere" is what i'm trying to find out |
| 17:05.09 | valdyn | muhoo_: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs |
| 17:05.18 | valdyn | muhoo_: guiding you.. |
| 17:05.25 | muhoo_ | the tool is mkinitramfs-kpkg |
| 17:05.38 | valdyn | muhoo_: run above command.. |
| 17:06.00 | muhoo_ | initramfs-tools |
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| 17:06.34 | valdyn | muhoo_: 'dpkg -L initramfs-tools | grep etc' will show the config files. The one called 'modules' is what you're after |
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| 17:07.18 | muhoo_ | sd_mod is the only one in there, and it is commented out |
| 17:07.59 | valdyn | muhoo_: its contents were set when you installed debian |
| 17:07.59 | valdyn | muhoo_: uh |
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| 17:08.00 | muhoo_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.00 | valdyn | muhoo_: then you cant even install a kernel properly using debian packages |
| 17:08.00 | muhoo_ | i want to eliminate the initrd, and build stuff into the kern instead |
| 17:08.00 | Jay2 | anyone use reiserFS? |
| 17:08.00 | wam | Hi, how do I get the path where my bash-script lies inside the script? |
| 17:08.06 | valdyn | muhoo_: i know. |
| 17:08.13 | azeem | wam: can you rephrase your question? |
| 17:08.26 | valdyn | muhoo_: then you have no choice but to look into the initrd itself |
| 17:08.33 | karsten | wam: If you want to set it: "PATH=<pathlist>" |
| 17:08.36 | muhoo_ | actually, let me back up all the way to the beginning. |
| 17:08.42 | xand | wam: you mean the working directory? |
| 17:08.43 | karsten | wam: If you want to report it: "echo $PATH" |
| 17:08.48 | wam | azeem: my script lies in /home/me/bin/t.sh and I call it from / - how does my script know, that it is inside /home/me/bin ? |
| 17:08.54 | bger | hi! i have problems with booting etch after upgrade from sarge ... the machine stays on sthing like 'waiting to mount root fs) ( root fs is on lvm over md/raid1) |
| 17:09.08 | muhoo_ | what i want to do is get a shell before acpi or pnp configures my devices, because i have to try to do setpci to change the interrupt pin of a device before its driver gets loaded |
| 17:09.18 | karsten | wam: That's a bit tricky. "dirname $0" may give it to you. |
| 17:09.29 | wam | karsten: but that's a relativ path |
| 17:09.43 | muhoo_ | actually, why i want to that, is to try to move a device onto a different interrupt |
| 17:09.53 | wintix | bger: did you read the release notes and followed the instructions on how to upgrade? |
| 17:10.08 | karsten | wam: Works for me here |
| 17:10.11 | muhoo_ | and, the solution that'd be easier at this point is just to buy a pci expresscard instead and not deal with the built-in device at all |
| 17:10.14 | bger | wintix something more specific ? |
| 17:10.26 | muhoo_ | ergo, "i'm going to give up and just throw money at the problem? |
| 17:10.34 | wintix | bger: read the release notes :) |
| 17:10.43 | bger | eh.. k |
| 17:10.43 | wam | karsten: but only if you call it from /. If you call it from /home, it says ./me/bin |
| 17:10.48 | muhoo_ | ok, i have to walk away from this for a while. |
| 17:10.52 | muhoo_ | thanks everyone for helping. |
| 17:11.10 | Amarande | which device are you trying to get working? |
| 17:11.34 | karsten | wam: mkdir ~/bin; echo -e '#!/bin/bash\necho "$(dirname $0)"' > ~/bin/show-dirname; chmod +x ~/bin/show-dirname; PATH=$PATH:~/bin; show-dirname; ~/bin/show-dirname; $HOME/bin/show-dirname |
| 17:11.36 | Amarande | and I only use onboard sound because my current PCI sound card went to the great silicon heap in the sky |
| 17:12.06 | karsten | wam: It's relative if you invoke it with a relative path, yes, which is why I said it's tricky. In that case you can do the math using PWD. |
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| 17:12.42 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell apt-get to prefer ther .debs build by apt-build? |
| 17:12.56 | wintix | bger: hint: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 17:12.56 | wam | karsten: ok - thanks. Is there a program that gives me a "real" path for say /home/me/./bin ? |
| 17:12.56 | Amarande | ok ... is there a package under debian to give a computer temperature monitor? |
| 17:13.00 | Amarande | preferably in gnome |
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| 17:14.01 | bger | wintix do you mean especially the part "things to do before rebooting" ? |
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| 17:14.22 | karsten | wam: Not sure. |
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| 17:15.20 | karsten | wam: echo $( cd $( dirname $0 ); pwd ) |
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| 17:15.39 | wam | karsten: now, THAT's tricky ;) Thanks! |
| 17:15.39 | wintix | bger: 4.7.3 Upgrading mdadm |
| 17:15.42 | karsten | wam: Since relative paths are relative to your current PWD, cd to the relative, path, and request pwd. |
| 17:15.51 | Dave_is_sexy | is there anyway i can have a gnome 'desktop' but an xfce everything else? |
| 17:15.59 | karsten | wam: Do it in a subshell so as not to fsck up your actual environment. |
| 17:16.01 | karsten | Dave_is_sexy: Yes. |
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| 17:16.18 | karsten | Dave_is_sexy: Though GNOME isn't the ideal choice for that. Wny not just XFCE? |
| 17:16.23 | Dave_is_sexy | karsten: oh good :) that would rock! |
| 17:16.27 | karsten | wam: Interesting question. |
| 17:17.03 | Dave_is_sexy | karsten: i just think the gnome one is cool, with it's video previews and resizable icons. but i don't like lots of other gnome elements |
| 17:17.21 | bger | wintix thanks, i'll have a look at it |
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| 17:17.46 | karsten | Dave_is_sexy: In general you can swap stuff out w/ ease. I use a Windowmaker desktop w/ a number of KDE apps (and a couple of gnomeish/gtk ones). |
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| 17:18.20 | wam | karsten: thanks a lot for that hint. |
| 17:18.21 | karsten | Dave_is_sexy: However gnome's division of tasks among tools, in particular nautilus, really, really gets in the way of swapping out bits. Almost any other WM/DE is going to be better suited to that. |
| 17:18.34 | uzer_ | whats the easiest way to go about adding something to the gnome applications menu |
| 17:18.56 | Dave_is_sexy | karsten: so to have the desktop i have to have nautilus? :( |
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| 17:19.24 | bger | wintix but the problems seems to be with the lvm, not with the md |
| 17:19.44 | karsten | Dave_is_sexy: GNOME's preference that same be the case and the pain involved in changing it, among other things, are among the reasons I don't run a gnome desktop. |
| 17:19.56 | wintix | bger: never used lvm. maybe you need to edit some fancy configuration file, too? |
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| 17:20.31 | bger | wintix: i have no idea, that's the reason i'm here |
| 17:20.44 | Dave_is_sexy | hmm. perhaps i'll avoid it for now then. i still have bigger issues at hand. like that damn wifi |
| 17:21.13 | mith | is there any way to disable this stupid pointless warning from find in etch? "find: warning: you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments." |
| 17:22.05 | mith | other than moving -maxdepth before everything else in all these scripts, I'm aware of the damned behaviour and that's what I want, I just don't want the warnings and don't want to have to pipe stderr to /dev/null |
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| 17:23.43 | Dave_is_sexy | Q2: I have the source code for a library I want. It's a .c file and needs turning into a binary library. ./configure and friends don't seem relevant, so what do i do? |
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| 17:24.48 | mith | noone? |
| 17:25.13 | Dave_is_sexy | mith: (i have no idea) |
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| 17:26.23 | ^jd | i have a poweredge 750 server, and i'm trying to install ubuntu onto it. i only have a floppy drive and cannot attach a cddrive. can someone point me in the direction to install ubuntu remotely? |
| 17:26.27 | mith | |-| close to adding a patch and rebuilding the package, that shit is annoying |
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| 17:27.16 | Dave_is_sexy | nobody knows how to turn .c into a binary library? is it hard? |
| 17:27.21 | stew | ^jd: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 17:27.32 | ^jd | i've tried =\ |
| 17:27.39 | asg | Dave_is_sexy: any book on unix system programming can tell you |
| 17:27.45 | stew | ^jd: you might try to find a mailing list or a web forum then |
| 17:28.29 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 17:28.29 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:28.49 | klikklak | I read/did reportbug about reporting the bug but going through kernel's bug reports was too much of a task to do now |
| 17:29.17 | Dave_is_sexy | asg: hmm. i was thinking more like it's a realy standard procedure that's done all the time and given that i've installed tarballs full of .c files, i should be able to just type a command without having to learn the entirity of unix programming. |
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| 17:29.25 | ^jd | i actually wouldn't mind using debian |
| 17:30.04 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: what good is this shared library going to be if you cant write code using it? |
| 17:31.12 | Dave_is_sexy | jd: i'd stick with ubuntu if i were you. debian renames things to non-standard names, and while marketed as an advanced user distro, places restrictions on everything. It has no market. At least it's derivatives do |
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| 17:31.33 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: it'll be auto loaded by another program if i put it in the directory |
| 17:31.36 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: debian advertises? |
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| 17:32.41 | asg | vewnio |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: read the 'ld' manpage |
| 17:33.05 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: don't start. if you think a market has anything to do with marketing then the discussion is not worth having with you. No it does not. Who would you say the target audience is for Debian? |
| 17:33.57 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: its developers is probably the main 'target audience' |
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| 17:34.31 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: ...exactly. it has no market or audience. |
| 17:34.44 | Amarande | actually, I have a habit of recommending debian to people who want a good linux distro. :) |
| 17:34.47 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: that's not exactly the same as none |
| 17:34.54 | moth | Once Linux VFS matures enough, we could arrange for a wrapper for "make install" which integrates with Debian's package system |
| 17:35.18 | valdyn | moth: WHAT? |
| 17:35.19 | asg | Dave_is_sexy: I wasn't implying you had to learn the entirity of unix programming, just that any book on unix system programming will touch the concept of building libraries (shared and static) |
| 17:35.26 | Amarande | I think part of it is that I find that apt/dpkg is an easier to manage, harder to screw up package system than most distros have. |
| 17:35.40 | asg | Dave_is_sexy: if that doesn't suffice, then ask #c |
| 17:35.42 | Amarande | at least from the user end of things |
| 17:35.54 | empath | Amarande, i agree |
| 17:35.55 | asg | Dave_is_sexy: ##c rather |
| 17:36.11 | valdyn | Amarande: right, so many people chose to ignore the package management, in their quest to fuckup their system ;) |
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| 17:36.27 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: well it's close. i'd say it has no target audience away from (thinks of words)... well away from learning how things work. which is fine for me right now, but a little annoying. |
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| 17:36.45 | Dave_is_sexy | asg: ta. (runs to #c) |
| 17:37.36 | vchrizz | if i want to move my running system on another pc, would it work if i move my hd to the new pc, boot with debian cd, chroot, install new kernel with needed drivers, and boot into the system again? |
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| 17:38.02 | asg | vchrizz: if you are using a standard Debian kernel, you will likely just be able to move and boot |
| 17:38.06 | abrotman | vchrizz: aren't you using a debian kernel ? |
| 17:38.33 | wintix | vchrizz: and make sure, the grub or lilo config points to the right hd |
| 17:38.44 | vchrizz | asg, abrotman: im using selfconfigured newest stable kernel from kernel.org ... |
| 17:38.52 | vchrizz | wintix: thats clear ;) |
| 17:39.16 | asg | vchrizz: then you'll have a harder time. Your original idea will work. |
| 17:39.17 | wintix | vchrizz: just boot a debian kernel after the move and compile your own kernel from there. much easier than booting from cd, chrooting, etc |
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| 17:40.09 | wintix | vchrizz: (you can uninstall the debian stock kernel after you are done, if you think you don't neet a failsafe ) |
| 17:40.47 | abrotman | perhaps he's already uninstalled it :) |
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| 17:40.51 | vchrizz | asg, wintix: well, doesnt matter if slightly harder than with debian kernel, just wanted to know if i have to think of something other than kernel with right drivers |
| 17:41.08 | rahul | stoned: boo |
| 17:41.10 | valdyn | s/ignore/circumvent/ |
| 17:41.10 | valdyn | moth: dont use /msg. What you said is trivial to do NOW already. |
| 17:41.10 | valdyn | moth: see checkinstall and the kernel driver binfmt-misc |
| 17:41.10 | valdyn | moth: just that no one does it, i suppose |
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| 17:41.17 | wintix | vchrizz: nope. well. architecture maybe ;) |
| 17:41.19 | rahul | stoned: wanna hear some stoner metal tonight? :) |
| 17:41.43 | vchrizz | wintix: heh, sure... :) no, arch is the same (i686) |
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| 17:42.03 | dkr | impressive typing speed to be kicked for pasting when you were just typing, :) |
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| 17:42.21 | wintix | :D |
| 17:42.56 | vchrizz | so i even could install two different kernels (one for "old" system, one for "new" system) and depending where i put in the hd, boot the apropriate kernel and all would work? :) |
| 17:43.11 | jwisher | hi, can anyone help me with vsftpd? i have installed it via apt-get on 3.1. i edited the config file to local_enable=YES, but local users still cannot login. any ideas? |
| 17:43.14 | wintix | vchrizz: yes. |
| 17:43.18 | valdyn | vchrizz: or one supporting both |
| 17:43.25 | wintix | or that. |
| 17:43.30 | vchrizz | ya, sure :) |
| 17:43.53 | wintix | the two-in-one thing is probably be the better idea. |
| 17:43.58 | vchrizz | oh great... i really love linux (esp. debian :D) ... i had so much trouble using windows... argh |
| 17:44.06 | asg | jwisher: take a look at the example configurations in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd |
| 17:44.08 | valdyn | vchrizz: however, it may not only be the kernel that needs fixing, can be boot manager / kernel command line aswell |
| 17:44.23 | wintix | vchrizz: i think alsa will break if you switch the soundcard without running alsaconf again |
| 17:44.29 | valdyn | vchrizz: hda->sda or somesuch |
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| 17:44.47 | valdyn | mm, alsa shouldnt break |
| 17:45.01 | valdyn | depends on your method to load the driver |
| 17:45.09 | vchrizz | valdyn: well, hda stays as is, it will be in the new system hda aswell as its now .. |
| 17:45.12 | georgem | Can anyone recommend a 100GB+ tape drive for Debian 4.0 x86_64? |
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| 17:45.20 | valdyn | vchrizz: no sata? |
| 17:45.38 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 17:45.45 | Dave_is_sexy | ok i don't understand #c AT ALL. apparently turning a .c file into a library file requires me to have a degree in c programming |
| 17:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | how can I download all .tar.gz files from http://kde.mirrors.tds.net/pub/kde/stable/3.5.6/src/ ? |
| 17:45.53 | HardDisk_WP | does wget support that? |
| 17:46.07 | wintix | HardDisk_WP: read the man page |
| 17:46.09 | vchrizz | wintix: oh, good that you mention the soundcard, thats what i wanted to know... so its not *only* kernel what i have to look at |
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| 17:47.07 | wintix | vchrizz: maybe there is some intelligenter way to get alsa working. i do tend to just run alsaconf which breaks if you change the soundcard. at least for me. |
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| 17:47.11 | vchrizz | valdyn: nope, todays harddisks arent that fast that i would like to use sata... my fastest hd does 75mb/s (hdparm -t) so pata100/133 is just enough :) |
| 17:47.15 | Maguire23 | Hi |
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| 17:47.21 | wintix | s/intelligenter/more intelligent/ |
| 17:47.31 | Maguire23 | ist unter lenny auch schon dieses xorg 1.3 oder so bei dem kein fglrx mir geht dabei? |
| 17:47.41 | valdyn | vchrizz: sata cables are just so much nicer ) |
| 17:47.42 | wintix | !de |
| 17:47.42 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 17:47.56 | Maguire23 | thanks |
| 17:48.05 | valdyn | vchrizz: sure from transfer speed you don't need it |
| 17:48.41 | vchrizz | valdyn: right, sata cables are much more nicer than pata ones, but i got rounded cables, so it (nearly) makes no difference ;) |
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| 17:49.43 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: creating a shared library from an object file really has nothing at all to do with c programming |
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| 17:50.45 | vchrizz | *going to build another own kernel for the new system* :) i always wanted a harddisk to boot from when changing pcs :) never worked under windows, would be really really great if that works with linux :) |
| 17:51.01 | Amarande | Dave_is_sexy, that's because these days no one ever considers you to learn anything unless you pay a college to give you a degree saying so |
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| 17:51.20 | Amarande | I could read every single book on C programming in creation and still not be considered a C programmer unless I went and got a bachelor's in it ... :P |
| 17:51.49 | vchrizz | heh, dmwaters ... i wanted to sponsor an ircd for freenode a year before and also talked to him, now where i have no server anymore (no need anymore) he is asking... lol |
| 17:51.50 | Amarande | This is the modern world, where they don't WANT you to learn things on your own, it's either formal training or as far as the world is concerned you don't have a clue. :| |
| 17:52.17 | georgem | Amarande: Thats BS. I've been coding for 10+ years. My current position is Senior Programmer. No degree. |
| 17:52.27 | Amarande | heh, how much does sponsoring an ircd these days even cost? |
| 17:52.49 | Amarande | Personally, I don't see the point of getting computer-related degrees. |
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| 17:53.07 | Amarande | You go to college, and four years later you have a degree showing that you know how to program computers that were current over the past one to four years. |
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| 17:53.15 | georgem | Its stupid. At work I've had to tutor people to the point of stabbing my self that have Master Degrees in CS. |
| 17:53.21 | Amarande | It would be like me passing the bar exam to be a lawyer in Ancient Rome. :) |
| 17:53.31 | vchrizz | Amarande: well, depends on what server and what line you got ;) |
| 17:53.39 | valdyn | Amarande: Colleg does not teach programming, that's REALLY only a minor thing when studying cs |
| 17:53.54 | valdyn | Amarande: like a side effect |
| 17:54.03 | Amarande | valdyn, what do they teach that isn't actually obsolete long before you graduate? :) |
| 17:54.10 | valdyn | Amarande: maths? |
| 17:54.14 | valdyn | Amarande: algorithms? |
| 17:54.20 | vchrizz | Amarande: i dont look at computer degrees... i also dont want to work at a company which looks at that... i want to work where they test your knowledge ;) |
| 17:54.51 | valdyn | Amarande: you realise unix is ~30 years old? |
| 17:55.11 | moth | The useful part of a CS degree is the maths. Sometimes you get some other usefulstuff, but that's either liberal arts, dated, or stuff like ipv6 connectivity |
| 17:55.42 | Amarande | valdyn: yes, and I also wouldn't expect the coding methods used 30 years ago to be that great practice today |
| 17:56.00 | vchrizz | i know some persons who have enough degrees/certs/... and dont know basic things... then even i know people who have not any degree and know really much |
| 17:56.00 | Amarande | that's how things like sendmail and bind ended up the honeypots they were for so many years :| |
| 17:56.00 | valdyn | Amarande: but they are used and work |
| 17:56.02 | valdyn | Amarande: C is as old |
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| 17:56.22 | moth | I don't expect the coding practices taught today to be all that great -- except for getting along with other people trained at the same time |
| 17:56.34 | Amarande | vchrizz, that's because of corporate idiocy, mostly |
| 17:56.45 | moth | data matters more than code |
| 17:56.51 | vchrizz | yup :/ |
| 17:56.52 | valdyn | Amarande: but back to topic, cs doesnt teach programming really. You're expected to learn that on the side to apply the theory you learn |
| 17:57.02 | Amarande | too many companies look at formal education only, especially in the US that uses the heavily formal-biased resume instead of a more fleshed out CV like everywhere else |
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| 17:57.12 | Dave_is_sexy | amarande: yes i know. lame isn't it? |
| 17:57.30 | Amarande | then you have companies where it's actually to your advantage to know as little as you can get away with |
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| 17:57.57 | Amarande | because people without a clue get promoted to supervisors where they can just sit back and watch ze blinkenlights and leave touching things to those -with- a clue. |
| 17:58.12 | vchrizz | Amarande: lol, try to get a job here in austria, you dont get one without knowing persons at the company if you dont have any paper that tells what you supposed to be able to :D |
| 17:58.14 | wintix | blinkenlights :D |
| 17:58.19 | moth | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.22 | whaq | Hiya |
| 17:58.22 | concept10 | Amarande: you work in a datacenter/isp right? |
| 17:58.30 | whaq | Has anyone here used unRaid? |
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| 17:58.33 | Amarande | actually, concept10, I currently work in a grocery store |
| 17:58.43 | moth | (one guy's rant on structure of programming in corporations) |
| 17:58.47 | valdyn | whaq: what's that? |
| 17:58.51 | vchrizz | whaq: unraid? |
| 17:59.02 | n3kl | Hi. How can I stop bind from listening on a high port? |
| 17:59.12 | valdyn | n3kl: why does that bother you? |
| 17:59.23 | valdyn | n3kl: bind by default should listen on several ports |
| 18:00.03 | concept10 | Amarande: I thought you were/are that guy that was talking about a dumb co-worker a couple weeks back |
| 18:00.05 | whaq | v* - It's a flashdisk-based distro, w/ a modified Raid-4 implementation on Reiserfs.. it can grow and shrink its raidsets as a result of that design. |
| 18:00.08 | valdyn | n3kl: 53 and 953 |
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| 18:00.38 | whaq | http://www.lime-technology.com/ |
| 18:00.53 | Dave_is_sexy | amarande: i know. I'm temping atm and have be asked to re-evaluate the companies software!! i taught a woman on £80,000 about ctrl+f last week, and unsurprisingly have been asked to stay on with a raise. oh and I save them £110,000 this week in a data management task they were gonna pay £200ph to have done privately!! Talk about retarded |
| 18:01.12 | valdyn | whaq: you can do that with any debian too |
| 18:01.20 | Amarande | concept10, well, some of my co-workers can be pretty woolheaded at times, but I don't think I discussed them here :) |
| 18:01.24 | valdyn | whaq: just not with their ( proprietary? ) GUI |
| 18:01.24 | n3kl | valdyn: if that is normal behavior then fine, I just noticed that there are 4 processes for one service running. |
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| 18:01.53 | valdyn | n3kl: are there? run 'netstat -plunt | grep named' |
| 18:01.59 | ice63 | quit |
| 18:02.04 | whaq | valdyn: is there really? They don't release their proprietary raid implementation. |
| 18:02.14 | n3kl | Also, is there a way to increase ssh performance? I am getting 3mb accross a 10/100 network due to slow processor. |
| 18:02.24 | valdyn | whaq: i doubt its their proprietary raid, only their proprietary admin tool |
| 18:02.30 | whaq | valdyn: i've used mdadm on debian before, it's not the same. |
| 18:02.33 | valdyn | whaq: since stock linux raid does this fine |
| 18:02.34 | n3kl | valdyn: yeah, 4 |
| 18:02.47 | Dave_is_sexy | so can someone please help with my wifi missing a route problem. my back hurts. i need wireless, which i've done all the hard stuff for. just stupid "route" left |
| 18:02.47 | whaq | valdyn: ok, you need to read and listen more. |
| 18:02.53 | valdyn | whaq: mdadm is only part of the solution |
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| 18:03.40 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: route add default gw $gw |
| 18:03.49 | valdyn | whaq: i dont care what they "claim", i _know_ that debian supports this _functionality_ completely. Likley not their user interface. |
| 18:03.50 | Amarande | n3kl, sure |
| 18:04.01 | Amarande | it involves a philips head, an anti-static strap, and some money |
| 18:04.08 | whaq | valdyn: if 'expansion & shrinking of raidsets' doesn't trigger any bulbs, most like you're not that familiar w/ raids =) |
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| 18:04.15 | aubade | Anyone here actually recommend reiserfs over ext3? |
| 18:04.20 | Amarande | n3kl, what CPU socket does your box have? |
| 18:04.22 | n3kl | Amarande: naw, upgrading this box is out of the question. |
| 18:04.25 | valdyn | whaq: nope, i have only done it myself |
| 18:04.27 | rjtc | how do i make new emacs blank buffer |
| 18:04.29 | whaq | valdyn: what's special is not their interface. |
| 18:04.33 | stew | aubade: hopefully not |
| 18:04.37 | Amarande | n3kl, hmm, can you add RAM? |
| 18:04.41 | n3kl | Amarande: 800Mhz c3 onboard |
| 18:04.50 | whaq | Anyone familiar w/ raid here..? |
| 18:05.17 | n3kl | Amarande: its maxed out |
| 18:05.19 | aubade | stew: Every ounce of me wants to use ext (better CPU utilization, better recoverity, faster mounting) but something it it reserving 6G of a 300G partition after formatting is a bit off. |
| 18:05.23 | n3kl | whaq: just ask |
| 18:05.39 | aubade | That's with the reserved blocks percentage at 0% whe nformatting. |
| 18:05.39 | Kevin` | aubade you can change the 5%. |
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| 18:05.59 | valdyn | whaq: they claim to do some things automagically that debian needs the admin for, that is all |
| 18:06.10 | n3kl | Amarande: there are not any features on ssh that I can disable for greater performance that you know of? If not, I will live with it, it just seems the 800Mhz should be fine |
| 18:06.15 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: file exists! i need to say "and use for wlan0" because it's fine on eth0 |
| 18:06.16 | whaq | n3kl: can you expand\shrink raid sets in linux? (without destroying the raid set) |
| 18:06.22 | aubade | when formatting* // Kevin: Made sure it was at 0% during formatted and double checked with 'fstune2 -l <device' afterwards. |
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| 18:06.32 | vchrizz | whaq: im using mdadm and am really happy with it :) got raid6 running on 4x160gb.. i just installed newest version by hand to use --grow function that the "old" version of mdadm in debian doesnt have |
| 18:06.39 | Kevin` | you really shouldn't be using a drive past that 95%, it's there for a reason, for recovery and to prevent fragmentation (which gets unavoidable at high %) |
| 18:06.47 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: what card? |
| 18:06.54 | stew | aubade: realize that reiser probably uses the same amount when it is full, it just doesn't allocate the space up front (and i wonder if this is just to trick you into thinking that it doesn't need this space) |
| 18:06.56 | rjtc | how do i make new emacs blank buffer?????????????? |
| 18:07.02 | stew | aubade: and the reseved blocks is something different |
| 18:07.04 | whaq | valdyn: ok, maybe one day you'll learn of the significance of that feature that doesn't exist in linux' implementation. |
| 18:07.19 | whaq | vchrizz: how does the --grow function work? |
| 18:07.19 | chops | rjtc: C-x b, name of buffer, empty |
| 18:07.20 | lodrik | exit |
| 18:07.24 | lodrik | urgs |
| 18:07.33 | aubade | stew: That's what someone told me earlier but I have a four-year old ReiserFS partition that is just a hair from being full and it uses nowhere near as large a percentage for just jornaling. |
| 18:07.35 | chops | s/empty/enter/ |
| 18:07.41 | valdyn | whaq: i dont see where i said 'insignificant' |
| 18:07.48 | n3kl | whaq: hardware or software. I don't know much about software raid in linux other than it uses dm-0, which I don't think can dynamicly expand. If you have a nice hardware raid card, you might, but you would have know about it because you would be broke from buying it. In short, I don't think so |
| 18:07.48 | stew | aubade: how are you measuring that? |
| 18:07.53 | rjtc | chops, thaks |
| 18:08.04 | Amarande | aubade, you actually ran a ReiserFS partition that long without hosing it? :| |
| 18:08.07 | whaq | n3kl: thank you. |
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| 18:08.09 | stew | aubade: the 6G you are seeing has nothing to do with journalling |
| 18:08.20 | vchrizz | whaq: well, i today installed the new version, didnt try it yet |
| 18:08.20 | aubade | stew: From the full partition size reported in Gparted and a manual count of all the files using Rox-filer. |
| 18:08.20 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: it's a w89c33 via ndiswrapper. look anywhere and you'll be told it's impossible, but i can see and connect to my encrypted network just fine. just can't do anything afterwards |
| 18:08.21 | n3kl | whaq: np |
| 18:08.27 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: google |
| 18:08.32 | Amarande | From what I've heard, ReiserFS partitions get hosed with amazing regularity |
| 18:08.45 | valdyn | n3kl: dm can grow raids, since kernel 2.6.18 or around that |
| 18:08.50 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: yes, that's completely irrelevant, as is the card. |
| 18:08.50 | whaq | valdyn: it's like the holy grail of disk redundancy scheme. |
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| 18:08.56 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: what is the device name? iwconfig and see which one has wireless |
| 18:09.08 | n3kl | valdyn: good to know, thanks |
| 18:09.09 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy route REALLY isn't a card problem |
| 18:09.11 | wintix | whaq: you can grow software raid5. shrinking is not possible. |
| 18:09.11 | vchrizz | still waiting for another two 160gb disks to be returned (rma) |
| 18:09.19 | n3kl | valdyn: I actually might be doing that soon then |
| 18:09.27 | n3kl | Kevin`: true |
| 18:09.34 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: no that's all absolutely fine. the card is fine, the driver is fine, wlan0 is wireless and all good. |
| 18:09.54 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: so, whats the problem |
| 18:09.56 | Kevin` | why are you using an ndiswrapper supported card, btw? |
| 18:10.03 | aubade | I dunno, it's beyond me why it's already down 6G if I had the reservation set at 0/1%. Would explain with syslogd borked on boot though. XD |
| 18:10.06 | aubade | Live and learn. |
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| 18:10.31 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: do you have an ip? |
| 18:10.40 | whaq | wintix: thanks, will check it out. |
| 18:10.41 | n3kl | Kevin`: good point |
| 18:10.42 | Dave_is_sexy | what i could use is a command to show the available networks in terminal. gtkwifi is dire and is thankfully gone, so first i want to see the networks, choose one and ping in in terminal |
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| 18:10.48 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy show the current output of route -n and your desired command |
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| 18:10.59 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 18:10.59 | endra | hello from debian! |
| 18:11.00 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: iwconfig wifi0 scan list |
| 18:11.00 | asg | Dave_is_sexy: iwlist <interface> scan |
| 18:11.04 | aubade | Any realy danger is using writeback over ordered? |
| 18:11.09 | n3kl | asg: er, yeah |
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| 18:11.23 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: ah the card has linux drivers, but they are only available to manufacturers. i'm still trying to get hold of one |
| 18:11.26 | aubade | real* // If not, how to switch from one to other: fstune2 or append an option in fstab? |
| 18:11.31 | wintix | whaq: and you can grow raid6 if you replace all disks (one by one) with bigger disks. raid 5 lets you add more devices. |
| 18:11.46 | endra | how can I tell apt to remove all sorts of kde apps, and leave only a basic kde installation (with konsole and kdm) |
| 18:12.01 | endra | .. and also, how do I get rid of all useless dependencies |
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| 18:12.02 | stew | aubade: what is rox-filer telling you? file size? or space used on disk? what block size is your reiserfs using? |
| 18:12.12 | whaq | wintix: interesting.. |
| 18:12.22 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy so are you planning to use it for some embedded use or something? why not just use a different card? (not that the issues your having currently are likely card related) |
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| 18:12.43 | aubade | stew: Just selected all of the files/dirs from the root of the partition and used it's 'count' option. Didn't go by the volume properties or anything. |
| 18:12.45 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: asg: iwconfig: unknown command "scan" |
| 18:12.51 | Kevin` | iwlist not iwconfig |
| 18:12.59 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: it's a laptop ;) |
| 18:13.07 | whaq | wintix: this unRaid implementation intrigued me because you can mix and match the drive sizes. Perfect for reusing old drives.. |
| 18:13.08 | Kevin` | moment for examples |
| 18:13.12 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: man iwconfig |
| 18:13.39 | stew | aubade: what is it telling you? the size of the file? or the amount of room on the drive it is occupying? |
| 18:13.49 | stew | aubade: like is it telling you bytes or blocks? |
| 18:13.59 | Amarande | Mix and match the drive sizes ... I thought that was what was called JBOD, and wasn't really new |
| 18:14.02 | whaq | wintix: I thought it was all bollocks until I found a big followers in avsforum.com. Apparently it's suitable for storing audio\video database. |
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| 18:14.18 | aubade | strew: Size of the individual files and combined. |
| 18:14.25 | wintix | whaq: never heared of unRaid. i have 4 old 250G disks and 5 500G disks in a raid5 where via lvm two of the 250G devices form a single 500G device. |
| 18:14.29 | stew | aubade: like if you have a 1 byte file, what size does it say it is? |
| 18:14.40 | whaq | wintix: jbod like? |
| 18:14.41 | aubade | No idea, actually. |
| 18:14.43 | stew | aubade: like is it less than one block? |
| 18:14.45 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: perhaps you need to be in monitor mode |
| 18:14.47 | whaq | wintix: or rather span |
| 18:14.49 | valdyn | !jbod |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | i heard jbod is "Just a Bunch Of Disks" an acronym used for several independent SCSI Disks (as opposed to RAID) or RAID Level 7 |
| 18:14.52 | wintix | whaq: no. neither. |
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| 18:15.06 | Kevin` | everyone here knows that jbod and raid0 have no fault tolerance right? |
| 18:15.09 | whaq | wintix: just lump them into your vg? |
| 18:15.12 | Kevin` | use raid5 :) |
| 18:15.14 | stew | aubade: if you don't konw, then i wouldn't trust your conclusion that reiser uses less space for metadata |
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| 18:15.31 | n3kl | Kevin`: yup |
| 18:15.34 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: kevin: ah great. cheers guys. so my network is there, and i want to connect to it, and ping it using the wlan0 interface not the ethernet, which goes to the same address. connection is wep (i know that's bad) |
| 18:15.48 | aubade | stew: Suppose so, will be probably using ext3 in the end just for safety's sake. Just need to figure out how to use writeback over ordered. |
| 18:16.06 | wintix | whaq: raid 5 with 500gb sd[a-e] and two lvm volumes consisting each of two old 250gb devices. -> raid 5 with 7 500gb devices. |
| 18:16.09 | endra | what is 'iceweasel' ? |
| 18:16.13 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: kevin: i read online today that i may have to specify 'open' but that's saved on my work computer which i wont see agian til tuesday |
| 18:16.13 | stew | aubade: man tune2fs |
| 18:16.27 | stew | endra: /msg dpkg iceweasel ; /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 18:16.27 | Dave_is_sexy | endra: a new name for firefox |
| 18:16.34 | wintix | whaq: if the 250gb devices fail, i can just replace them with new 500gb ones. |
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| 18:16.46 | n3kl | Dave_is_sexy: so you have your ethernet and wifi pointed at the same device? |
| 18:17.02 | whaq | wintix: haha that's pretty kinky. isn't the lvm ruining the performance though? |
| 18:17.04 | dkr | wintix: I prefer 500GB drives, :) |
| 18:17.12 | Dave_is_sexy | n3kl: well yeah for now.. until i pull out the ethernet cos the wifi is working |
| 18:17.14 | stew | whaq: no, lvm is not a performance hit |
| 18:17.17 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy http://pastebin.ca/471075 - example for teh wireless stuffs |
| 18:17.40 | wintix | whaq: well. i had them lying around and wanted to have more space :) |
| 18:17.49 | whaq | stew: it shouldn't be, but the way wintix is bundling 2x250GB and presnting it as a 500GB block device to be used on a raid-5 array... i don't know.. |
| 18:17.50 | wintix | whaq: after all my crypto is the real performance eater. |
| 18:18.23 | whaq | wintix: What crypto? What kind of throughput do you get read\writing to it? |
| 18:18.38 | n3kl | can you install linux on an encrypted raid? |
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| 18:19.05 | Kevin` | you will need an unencrypted partition to boot from or other method to load kernel and initial drivers |
| 18:19.07 | rsa | how do i start KDE once i installed it? |
| 18:19.11 | wintix | whaq: dmcrypt AES 256. one moment. let me test the speed. |
| 18:19.27 | n3kl | Kevin`: to load the initrd, so its possible.. |
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| 18:19.31 | stew | n3kl: yes, the current debian installer will do it for you if you desire |
| 18:19.34 | vchrizz | rsa: startx or /etc/init.d/kdm start i would guess |
| 18:19.37 | Kevin` | n3kl quite possible |
| 18:19.42 | n3kl | neat |
| 18:19.43 | endra | brb |
| 18:19.55 | whaq | cool |
| 18:20.01 | georgem | I need a tape drive for my new Debian 4.0 x86_64 server. Some of these are pretty pricey. Don't want to pick one just to find it won't work. Any suggestions? |
| 18:20.05 | rsa | fatal io error 104 |
| 18:20.17 | n3kl | georgem: scsi |
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| 18:20.25 | rsa | iam to tried for this stuff :X |
| 18:20.38 | whaq | Hmm.. it's gonna be pretty interesting if MS buys Yahoo |
| 18:20.46 | Kevin` | georgem most all scsi drives will Just Work |
| 18:20.55 | georgem | n3kl: I was looking at Sony AIT-5 its SCSI 160. But I can't find anywhere to see for sure it works... I guess I can just gamble on it/// |
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| 18:21.42 | mfrisch | has anyone used afio to backup windows? |
| 18:21.47 | n3kl | georgem: I am in the market myself, I am no expert. I just know that I tried to get a parellel tape drive working that was handed down to me, for like two friggin hours and could not make it work. Someone in here recomended scsi to me |
| 18:21.54 | vchrizz | rsa, see syslog, whats happening just before this error? |
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| 18:22.09 | Kevin` | parallel/floppy tape drives are a pain. and slow |
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| 18:22.33 | rsa | vchrizz: idk i just did a base install of sarge then distup then installed kde and xserver-xorg |
| 18:22.52 | n3kl | georgem: there is allways the 14 day "rental" policy |
| 18:23.00 | Kevin` | georgem at this level of products (server stuff) you could just ASK if it will work, and their support will probably say yes |
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| 18:23.25 | rsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.25 | valdyn | rsa: uname -r |
| 18:23.25 | rsa | bye |
| 18:23.30 | vchrizz | what are the advantages of tape drives? arent actual hard disks (there are 750gb on market i saw) better and cheaper to use in a raid1/5 ? |
| 18:23.32 | rsa | valdyn: ok 1 sec |
| 18:23.40 | aubade | Should I keep the default reservation on a separate partition from the one I'll have mounted as root, or on a second disk? |
| 18:23.47 | rsa | valdyn: 2.4... |
| 18:23.52 | Kevin` | vchrizz tapes aren't used for the same purpose of raid |
| 18:23.58 | rsa | valdyn: thats my kernel |
| 18:24.04 | Kevin` | but yes, drives I think are in some cases now less expensive then tape |
| 18:24.08 | wintix | whaq: cat /dev/md0 > /dev/null gives me 259-270M/sec in dstat. /dev/mapper/md0 only gives me 47-60M/sec. |
| 18:24.09 | stew | rsa: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:24.10 | valdyn | rsa: if you had read the documentation then you would have read that etch supports no 2.4 kernel |
| 18:24.16 | stew | rsa: you didn't finish upgrading to etch |
| 18:24.29 | valdyn | !ig |
| 18:24.29 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 18:24.38 | georgem | I already have RAID in this box. I've done some research. I'm running RAID 1+0 8x500 GB drives. |
| 18:24.38 | Kevin` | which is absolutely PATHETIC imo. tape drives should be cheaper, simpler tech. and they will be cheaper soon once people realise the price :) |
| 18:24.56 | Kevin` | (and start using hotswap drives for backup) |
| 18:24.57 | whaq | wintix: that's really decent. What cpu do u use there? |
| 18:25.01 | valdyn | georgem: funny raid |
| 18:25.07 | wintix | whaq: core 2 duo e6600 |
| 18:25.10 | b_jonas | wierd |
| 18:25.14 | whaq | cool |
| 18:25.25 | georgem | http://www.baarf.com/ |
| 18:25.26 | b_jonas | there are some capital letters that don't work if I hold both shift keys not just one of them |
| 18:25.29 | b_jonas | (in X) |
| 18:25.31 | valdyn | georgem: does the waste in space pay off in speed? |
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| 18:25.36 | b_jonas | but others work |
| 18:25.37 | Kevin` | anyone want to help me debug a kernel driver? |
| 18:25.40 | georgem | valdyn: http://www.baarf.com/ |
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| 18:26.09 | Kevin` | nobody ever wants to help me with that :( |
| 18:26.22 | vchrizz | Kevin`: i like debugging as far as my knowledge is able to help :) |
| 18:26.34 | Kevin` | ok, i'll get some info together :) |
| 18:26.54 | vchrizz | and i like to report bugs ;) |
| 18:26.57 | Kevin` | actually, you could just look at this thread and see the specifics: http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=10488 |
| 18:27.09 | georgem | valdyn: For a home server I would say no. But the biggest concern is reliability. RAID5 is vulnerable to poisoning. |
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| 18:27.13 | vchrizz | its fun to bug a developer about every small single bug :D |
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| 18:27.41 | georgem | if a bad drive gives back bad data it can poison the entire array! |
| 18:27.58 | Kevin` | i've never seen a modern drive do that, have you? |
| 18:28.08 | n3kl | georgem: damn, those are expensive |
| 18:28.13 | vchrizz | hey, openwrt, very nice, im using that on my wrt54gl ;) |
| 18:28.17 | abrotman | the point of CRC is to not give back bad data |
| 18:28.18 | georgem | n3kl: what? |
| 18:28.27 | valdyn | georgem: that's what backups are for i guess |
| 18:28.34 | Kevin` | vchrizz you might be able to test this in some off-fasion yourself then :) |
| 18:28.38 | n3kl | georgem: those tape drives. |
| 18:28.42 | valdyn | georgem: i just assume that one drive poisining the array is extremely rare |
| 18:28.43 | chops | georgem: How is that different from anything else? If your drive flips bits, you can lose data |
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| 18:28.59 | vchrizz | Kevin`: hold on, ill read the thread |
| 18:29.20 | valdyn | georgem: i would possibly do a raid6 instead, but that could be to slow for you, who knows |
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| 18:29.26 | georgem | chops: the raid is supposed to protect you. with RAID1+0 you are not vulernable to poisoning. At least thats what the article says... |
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| 18:29.59 | chops | georgem: That's only if you do every read redundantly, and use at least triple redundancy. That seems a bit excessive. |
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| 18:30.00 | georgem | Yeah. My controller supports RAID6. I almost did that... But I think recovery times on RAID6 are even higher. |
| 18:30.14 | Kevin` | it should be higher yes |
| 18:30.27 | valdyn | insignificantly i suppose |
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| 18:31.04 | Kevin` | 1.5x the calculation, but I don't suspect calculation is the bottleneck for recovery |
| 18:31.12 | valdyn | Kevin`: no it isnt |
| 18:31.18 | georgem | dunno. maybe its all fluff. but I'd at least read this and make your own judgement call. http://www.miracleas.com/BAARF/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt |
| 18:31.20 | valdyn | Kevin`: cpu load isnt an issue at all |
| 18:31.21 | whaq | Raidz is where it's at babyy.. |
| 18:31.47 | Kevin` | i'm using raid5 because i'm cheap(ish..), end of story :) |
| 18:31.56 | whaq | (talking about zfs raid-z, not some h4ck3r t4lq here) |
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| 18:32.20 | vchrizz | Kevin`: well, i want to use any sd/mmc card on a wrt54gl, but my problem is, im not familiar with electronics so i dont know how to add a slot to the device |
| 18:32.30 | valdyn | georgem: nice article, he just has no statistics to back it up |
| 18:32.39 | valdyn | georgem: like the probability of poisning |
| 18:32.41 | Kevin` | vchrizz let me get you a picture of my slot, it's really simple. |
| 18:32.55 | vchrizz | ive read enough howtos but i already destroyed two wrts :P |
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| 18:33.06 | chops | georgem: This guy sounds full of bollocks to me |
| 18:33.17 | georgem | valdyn: yeah. I understand. My company is using this as its primary service. So the cost of 3 extra $170 dollar 500GB drives isn't an issue. |
| 18:33.27 | georgem | server*. |
| 18:33.35 | chops | georgem: RAID5 gets unwieldy for large arrays, but for that I prefer LVMing together individual RAID5 arrays. |
| 18:33.36 | valdyn | georgem: i suppose the cost of drives isnt an issue at all for companies, true |
| 18:33.38 | georgem | chops: Yeah. Maybe... Had some valid points though. |
| 18:34.07 | whaq | ppl gets more passionate talking about raid than they do about their SO |
| 18:34.19 | Jay2 | how do i format a filesystem?? |
| 18:34.19 | vchrizz | Kevin`: is it possible to use the mmc slot from a 'n in 1' card reader? or do i _have to_ buy a slot for adding it to the wrt? |
| 18:34.22 | whaq | or sisters, whichever is more relevant. |
| 18:34.25 | xand | Jay2: mkfs.blah |
| 18:34.34 | chops | georgem: Oh, everything he says is strictly true. RAID5 will corrupt your data if your disk starts flipping bits. RAID5 is slower on recovery. RAID5 gets unwieldy at very large array sizes. |
| 18:34.36 | Kevin` | vchrizz just wait, but yes |
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| 18:35.37 | Kevin` | vchrizz http://bart.kwzs.be/pics/p1010013.jpg |
| 18:35.52 | Dave_is_sex1 | Kevin: right, well i can't ping my router over wireless, but can connect to it. |
| 18:36.16 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sex1 show route -n |
| 18:36.23 | Dave_is_sex1 | now at work today i read i may have to specify 'open' in wep? not too sure if i remembered that right |
| 18:36.45 | Kevin` | i've never had that matter |
| 18:37.17 | Dave_is_sex1 | kevin: http://pastebin.ca/471100 |
| 18:37.18 | Kevin` | vchrizz yes, that is a floppy connector, and yes, it works electrically. now do you feel like you can make one? :) |
| 18:37.29 | whaq | kevin` - what's that? looks like synology nas device |
| 18:37.48 | Kevin` | whaq it's a meraki mini |
| 18:37.49 | georgem | And yeah. That SONY tape drive is like $2500. But I'm storing email/files/etc for 50+ ppl. I guess I'll call sony and see if they will tell me if it'll work with Debian. Unless anyone knows anything better I should use. |
| 18:37.54 | chops | georgem: But saying RAID10 is always the answer to that is wrong. For most people, shrinking their RAID arrays by a factor of almost 2 to get increased protection against problems they don't worry about is a bad tradeoff. |
| 18:38.04 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sex1 ifconfig eth1 down, dhclient wlan0 |
| 18:38.19 | whaq | zfs is always the answer! |
| 18:38.20 | Amarande | hmm |
| 18:38.21 | georgem | chops: yeah. I know. If I was doing a file server at home I'd use RAID5 for sure. |
| 18:38.29 | Amarande | how viable is DVD-R or DVD-RW as a backup medium these days? |
| 18:38.32 | Amarande | as compared to, say, tape? |
| 18:38.38 | Dave_is_sex1 | kevin: that'll take me offline, how do i get back on? |
| 18:38.42 | whaq | kevin - what's a meraki mini? |
| 18:38.44 | Kevin` | Amarande bad choice IMO |
| 18:38.50 | georgem | I'd say its fine as long as you can fit your stuff on there....... |
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| 18:39.06 | Kevin` | whaq http://meraki.net/products/mini/ |
| 18:39.07 | whaq | hm, reading |
| 18:39.09 | whaq | ok thx |
| 18:39.28 | georgem | But I have tons of stuff that needs to be backed up. And I'd rather backup every file on the server than worry about doing incrementals etc. |
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| 18:39.52 | scott_ | How can I check if a box is using a debian compiled kernel or a custom built one (uname -r says 2.6.18-3-amd64) |
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| 18:39.55 | vchrizz | Kevin`: *looking at the pic* what the hell?!? ;) but it looks really very nice... could you give me some more detailed pics so i see how you did that? |
| 18:39.56 | Kevin` | whaq that is NOT the factory provided connector for serial (the 4pin power cable), btw :) |
| 18:40.13 | Kevin` | vchrizz sure |
| 18:40.23 | Dave_is_sex1 | kevin: Please don't supply more than one address family. / down,: Unknown host |
| 18:40.27 | vchrizz | Kevin`: i really would like to try that too, but i dont see clearly what is how connected ;) |
| 18:40.37 | Phil2 | hi guys, how do I configure the DNS server for Debian to resolve domains from? |
| 18:40.57 | Kevin` | i'll get some detail pics of every bit of it then |
| 18:41.17 | whaq | I'd imagine they'll have trouble passing fcc certification w/ that kind of design ;) |
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| 18:41.36 | Kevin` | whaq lol :) |
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| 18:41.48 | abrotman | Phil2: you install and read the bind-docs |
| 18:41.48 | ma3x | why is /dev/dsp busy? |
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| 18:42.11 | Phil2 | I don't want to do that abrotman |
| 18:42.18 | Kevin` | whaq http://bart.kwzs.be/pic/p1010004.jpg and vchrizz - stock board |
| 18:42.30 | Phil2 | I want Debian to use another DNS server |
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| 18:42.49 | Kevin` | vchrizz too because you can see where the cable connects |
| 18:42.54 | ma3x | a3x@ma3x:~$ echo 429ugb > /dev/dsp |
| 18:42.54 | ma3x | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
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| 18:43.23 | whaq | kevin - how's the mesh performance of that thing? |
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| 18:43.53 | Kevin` | whaq easy to set up, good RF performance, no complaints there. |
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| 18:44.05 | whaq | range? |
| 18:44.10 | Kevin` | nodes find each other automatically and reconfigure as advertised |
| 18:44.10 | abrotman | Phil2: ah .. /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:44.15 | ma3x | anyone answer |
| 18:44.16 | versaffer | i want to use ram0 as my rootfs so i make my own initrd and use busybox on it, do i need to rebuild to kernel? |
| 18:44.17 | Kevin` | dependent on your usage of course ;) |
| 18:44.22 | abrotman | Phil2: i thought you wanted to run your own DNS |
| 18:44.40 | Phil2 | that file doesn't exist abrotman |
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| 18:44.45 | Phil2 | is it ok just creating it? |
| 18:44.51 | scott_ | is upgrading from 2.6.18-3 to 2.6.18-4 as easy as installing the linux-image package? |
| 18:44.52 | wintix | Phil2: then you aren't using debian. |
| 18:44.54 | whaq | cool |
| 18:45.11 | Phil2 | wintix: I know what I'm using |
| 18:45.11 | vchrizz | Kevin`: what device is that? a fon one? |
| 18:45.12 | Phil2 | heh |
| 18:45.14 | Kevin` | range is significantly better then most wifi cards, but I don't remember specific numbers |
| 18:45.27 | Kevin` | vchrizz http://meraki.net/products/mini/ - for the second time ;) |
| 18:45.35 | wintix | Phil2: just checking :) |
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| 18:45.58 | Kevin` | vchrizz the hardware is very similar to a fon though |
| 18:46.00 | whaq | kevin - what are you running on that sd? openwrt? |
| 18:46.07 | Kevin` | the fons overheat for some reason though :) |
| 18:46.11 | Kevin` | (this doesn't) |
| 18:46.12 | Phil2 | ah |
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| 18:46.17 | Phil2 | creating that and adding a NS got it |
| 18:46.19 | Phil2 | thanks :) |
| 18:46.23 | Kevin` | whaq openwrt and debian 4 |
| 18:46.25 | wintix | Phil2: put something like 'nameserver 192.168.0.1' in it and maybe read 'man resolv.conf' |
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| 18:46.33 | whaq | brb fone |
| 18:46.45 | whaq | neat |
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| 18:47.04 | ma3x | why when skype overtakes /dev/dsp nothing else can use it |
| 18:47.05 | Kevin` | debian I use from an nfs server, it makes testing easier to have a full distro available |
| 18:47.15 | Kevin` | of course, once SD is working i'll put it on the card :) |
| 18:47.21 | xeihin | can some one help me with openvz on debian? the openvz patch drop errors while trying to patch the debian kernel |
| 18:47.26 | vchrizz | Kevin`: ah, nice .. sorry have to look after my little sister each time she cries ;) so can be im not reading everything ;) |
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| 18:47.41 | J_P | hi all |
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| 18:49.09 | itrebal | I'm planning to migrate from Sarge to Etch on my server that I do not have physical access to; I have several backports installed manually via dpkg, will they cause a problem? |
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| 18:49.29 | uzer_ | if i am compiling a program from source (non debian source, a .tar.gz) is there any options like prefix or something i should use so it places files in the correct directories |
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| 18:49.41 | Amarande | actually, itrebal's question makes me wonder something similar |
| 18:49.54 | Phil2 | that is dependant on what you're compiling uzer_ |
| 18:49.56 | abrotman | itrebal: the release notes say to remove them |
| 18:49.58 | Amarande | I've pulled a few packages in from sid into etch via downloading the source deb and building against etch |
| 18:50.10 | Amarande | I'm wondering if that will cause a problem when lenny comes out. |
| 18:50.12 | uzer_ | Phil2: pidgin 2.0.0 (gaim) |
| 18:50.15 | itrebal | abrotman: crap |
| 18:50.17 | xeihin | Im getting this while trying to patch the debian kernel for openvz |
| 18:50.18 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/859jeb97.html |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | itrebal: not now! |
| 18:50.25 | xeihin | can you give me a hand please? |
| 18:50.30 | Phil2 | never compiled it personally |
| 18:50.39 | itrebal | abrotman: you mean, upgrade THEN remove them? |
| 18:50.48 | itrebal | or remove them first |
| 18:50.50 | abrotman | itrebal: i'm just telling you what the docs say .. you're welcome to attempt whatever you'd like :) |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | !ig |
| 18:50.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 18:51.14 | itrebal | abrotman: unfortunately I have a very low tollerance to problems; production server |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | eh .. where are those release notes ... |
| 18:51.36 | Amarande | is Lenny supposed to be 4.1, or 5.0? |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | itrebal: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-backports |
| 18:52.06 | wintix | itrebal: maybe clone the setup on a local box and test there? |
| 18:52.06 | abrotman | Amarande: decided later |
| 18:52.27 | m3nt0r | i have a problem installing courier-authmysql with apt. it asks for dependent packages, but when i add them it then conflicts due wrong versions and vice versa. i dont know what to do. .. tried several combinations, also testing, stable, etc.. how can i solve this to get at least one version? |
| 18:52.30 | itrebal | wintix: it'd be a pain in the ass, but I'll probably do that first.. good idea, thanks |
| 18:52.40 | abrotman | wintix: where's the fun in that ? |
| 18:53.02 | wintix | ;) |
| 18:53.06 | xeihin | can some one help me? |
| 18:53.15 | itrebal | abrotman: the fun comes when I still get a paycheck :D |
| 18:53.39 | Kevin` | vchrizz http://bart.kwzs.be/pics/p1010014.jpg - signal detail, http://bart.kwzs.be/pics/p1010016.jpg - card inserted and pin allignment, http://bart.kwzs.be/pics/p1010017.jpg - wiring, the two top wires are +3.3v and 0v, red 3, that's a 47k resistor, and is kind of optional. it's connected between 3v and DO |
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| 18:54.21 | uzer_ | the debian prefix is /usr not /usr/local right? |
| 18:54.50 | vchrizz | Kevin`: i hope i may save the pics from your dirlisting (for personal usage) to try this "mod" ;) |
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| 18:55.06 | Kevin` | vchrizz the seperate wire on the bottom is gpio0, the rest of the wires bottom to top on the ribbon (left) are 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 |
| 18:55.07 | Kevin` | 0 1 2 and 4 are connected to the sd card |
| 18:55.14 | itrebal | abrotman: all these backports were from backports.org from the etch repository, would apt-get or aptitude be able to recognize that and simply upgrade them from the repos? |
| 18:55.17 | Kevin` | of course. |
| 18:55.35 | epsilon | yes |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | itrebal: doubtful |
| 18:55.48 | Kevin` | vchrizz for the record, this picture shows the sd card inserted incorrectly, so you may want to ignore it http://bart.kwzs.be/pics/p1010015.jpg |
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| 18:55.55 | Kevin` | (I didn't paste it before) |
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| 18:56.07 | abrotman | itrebal: though i've not tried it .. |
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| 18:56.24 | itrebal | abrotman: *sigh* alright, thanks :) |
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| 18:57.32 | xeihin | can some help me with openvz |
| 18:57.33 | xeihin | ? |
| 18:57.47 | wintix | Kevin`: do those little buggers run openwrt? |
| 18:58.04 | vchrizz | Kevin`: cool, wrote your info in a text file ;) ill get a new wrt on monday from a local store and try that! pitty i dont have one here, else i would try it immediately ;) |
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| 18:58.38 | Kevin` | wintix the default firmware is openwrt based, and openwrt itself is supported on it.. so yes :) |
| 18:59.00 | wintix | Kevin`: that rocks. always wanted an alternative to kamikaze on the foneras |
| 18:59.23 | Kevin` | now you can have kamikaze on an almost-fonera! |
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| 18:59.29 | MalMen | hello |
| 18:59.29 | Kevin` | (only better) |
| 18:59.35 | wintix | Kevin`: and no need to hack the thing :) |
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| 18:59.45 | MalMen | anyone can give to me some information about "Make a distro based on debian" ? |
| 18:59.51 | Kevin` | I suppose. |
| 18:59.55 | Kevin` | I LIKE to hack it though |
| 19:00.05 | wintix | Kevin`: i figured ;) |
| 19:00.19 | Kevin` | the default firmware allows ssh login with user meraki (=root), password serial number |
| 19:00.29 | Kevin` | mmm I smell burnination |
| 19:00.52 | wintix | :D |
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| 19:01.14 | spundun | how can I get my iptables settings to reset back to debian defaults? |
| 19:01.25 | Artemis3 | Does anyone knows a workaround for bug #382293? It is affecting me with cdboot 3.0 (etch) :( |
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| 19:02.18 | vchrizz | spundun: fush everything (iptables -F afair, read manpage) |
| 19:02.18 | vchrizz | flush* |
| 19:02.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 19:02.32 | Amarande | any way to make xchat *not* keep trying to connect to ipv6 addresses? |
| 19:02.45 | spundun | vchrizz: "iptables -F" ? |
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| 19:02.58 | vchrizz | spundun: you may want to try http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/ |
| 19:03.16 | Kevin` | I like to use iptables-save and iptables-restore to do almost everything with firewall rules |
| 19:03.37 | atealtha | my mounted nfs share has files with chmod 775, and my local user's primary group matches that of the files, yet I cannot open it to write. What am I missing? both fstab and exports are rw |
| 19:03.54 | atealtha | are showing the shares are rw, rather |
| 19:04.02 | vchrizz | Kevin`: sure right, i rather prefer to have a script which does that for me ;) |
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| 19:04.07 | spundun | vchrizz: Kevin`: thanks... |
| 19:04.09 | Kevin` | are the group ids the same? (does the group show the same on the nfs client) |
| 19:04.26 | Kevin` | vchrizz i've never found a script I liked. |
| 19:05.03 | xeihin | can some help me with openvz? |
| 19:05.05 | vchrizz | Kevin`: try easyfwgen, i like it... (with some minor changes i made) |
| 19:05.06 | Kevin` | hmm all my computers seem to be workign |
| 19:05.12 | Kevin` | wonder what that smell is |
| 19:05.14 | chops | !tell xeihin about ask |
| 19:05.19 | xeihin | read up |
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| 19:05.26 | xeihin | I asked correctly |
| 19:05.27 | Kevin` | vchrizz show me the resulting file |
| 19:05.28 | xeihin | read up ;) |
| 19:05.28 | hd|kernel | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:05.28 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 19:05.37 | Kevin` | (iptables-save) |
| 19:05.42 | moparisthebest | does anyone know if there is any overhead in using symbolic links to folders? as in does it run any slower if I access a file through a symbolic link instead of directly? |
| 19:05.53 | vchrizz | Kevin`: you generate it through http://easyfwgen.morizot.net/gen/ |
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| 19:06.16 | Kevin` | moparisthebest yes, but it's not significant |
| 19:06.38 | chops | xeihin: Sorry, I just came back in |
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| 19:06.42 | hd|laptop | why does dpkg not answer me?! |
| 19:06.47 | xeihin | ok |
| 19:06.53 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/859jeb97.html |
| 19:06.57 | moparisthebest | oh, well im running a webserver Kevin`, so I guess i probably shouldn't set it up using symbolic links then :( |
| 19:06.58 | hd|laptop | !op kick [BaByFaCe] porn spam in query |
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| 19:07.15 | hd|laptop | !admin kick [BaByFaCe] porn spam in query |
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| 19:07.25 | Kevin` | moparisthebest even for a web server, you won't notice. |
| 19:07.25 | hd|laptop | !ping |
| 19:07.26 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:07.28 | Kevin` | I should have said no :) |
| 19:07.38 | Kevin` | symbolic links are quite fast |
| 19:07.48 | karzel | !ping |
| 19:07.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:07.49 | moparisthebest | even if I use the folder for all of the content and the mysql server? |
| 19:07.50 | vchrizz | moparisthebest: i think you wont notice if you dont have hundrets of visitors at a time ;) |
| 19:07.50 | atealtha | Kevin`, probably not, how can I check? |
| 19:08.00 | aubade | So the reserved blocks are just for files with root ownership? Manual's a bit on the skimpy side. |
| 19:08.03 | sepski | hd|laptop, it's called !ops |
| 19:08.08 | moparisthebest | over 300 are online on the forums at any given moment |
| 19:08.12 | hd|laptop | !ops kick [BaByFaCe] porn spam in query |
| 19:08.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hd|laptop complains about: kick [BaByFaCe] porn spam in query |
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| 19:08.21 | Kevin` | atealtha look at the files on the client or check that /etc/group numbers match up |
| 19:08.26 | hd|laptop | sepski: thx |
| 19:08.27 | infester | moparisthebest: congratz for that then :-) |
| 19:08.33 | sepski | !thx |
| 19:08.33 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
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| 19:08.39 | sepski | :) |
| 19:08.54 | itrebal | moparisthebest: if you think a SIMLINK will be your biggest problem, look into memcached |
| 19:08.58 | infester | sepski: :D |
| 19:09.01 | Kevin` | my mouse button isn't working right anymore D: |
| 19:09.02 | moparisthebest | thanks infester :), i was just curious about symbolic links, it would make my setup much easier, but i dont want to kill my server |
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| 19:09.56 | sepski | is hdparm -tT acurate on non ide disks ? |
| 19:09.57 | atealtha | Kevin`, the group id actually matches on both systems |
| 19:09.58 | moparisthebest | is that a mysql variable itrebal ? or something else? |
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| 19:10.05 | infester | moparisthebest: yea, well, i can't help you with my unleet skillz :) but keep going, sounds like you've got an appreciated forum there :) |
| 19:10.05 | xeihin | some one? |
| 19:10.12 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/859jeb97.html |
| 19:11.10 | moparisthebest | too appreciated sometimes, i started it as a hobby and its almost a full time job now :/ |
| 19:11.10 | concept10 | Do you guys find Abiword or OO.o to be more compatible with Word documents? |
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| 19:11.40 | xq | OO |
| 19:11.45 | vchrizz | concept10: how about openoffice 2? |
| 19:11.50 | vchrizz | i use that... |
| 19:12.00 | itrebal | moparisthebest: nah, its a server the devs at livejournal.org developed for lowering the load on their SQL servers & speed up data access |
| 19:12.04 | Jay2 | if i chroot /target, how can i un-chroot? |
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| 19:12.26 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 19:12.48 | vchrizz | Jay2: just 'exit' :) |
| 19:12.53 | Pupeno | Is there something I can install/run for my Debian Gnome desktop to notify me of updates like out-of-the-box Ubuntu does? |
| 19:12.58 | concept10 | vchrizz, the reason I asked is because I like Abiword, but not sure of it's compatibilty on word docs |
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| 19:13.00 | infester | moparisthebest: wow, i know one guy in here is jealous for sure :) |
| 19:13.07 | moparisthebest | sounds interesting itrebal, ill have a look at it |
| 19:13.12 | concept10 | Pupeno, update-manager? |
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| 19:13.31 | itrebal | moparisthebest: http://www.sixapart.com/ *fantastic* group of people, IMO |
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| 19:14.02 | Kevin` | vchrizz http://pastebin.ca/471136 http://pastebin.ca/471143 - which do you like better? theirs is better commented :) |
| 19:14.05 | Artemis3 | Pupeno, apt-watch? |
| 19:14.32 | concept10 | Pupeno, this already comes with Debian if im not mistaken, its on my desktop |
| 19:14.38 | itrebal | is there an easy way to find all the packages that were installed with dpkg (as in, I manually downloaded the .deb and ran dpkg -i ...) ? |
| 19:14.48 | Pupeno | concept10: there's also an update-notifier. |
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| 19:15.07 | Pupeno | concept10: I didn't install desktop, I installed a minimum system and then aptitude install gnome. |
| 19:15.27 | concept10 | Pupeno, it should come with the gnome desktop |
| 19:15.38 | Pupeno | Artemis3: that may work as well. |
| 19:15.42 | rgsteele | Anybody know what that console sharing app is? |
| 19:15.46 | Kevin` | vchrizz actually, I happen to know that theirs wouldn't work, but my config is VERY odd in some ways, so it's not very fair :) |
| 19:15.49 | rgsteele | It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't remember |
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| 19:16.00 | Pupeno | Artemis3: does apt-watch take space (on the screen) when no update is pending? |
| 19:16.02 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 19:16.02 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 19:16.11 | Pupeno | concept10: aptitude install gnome didn't install it. |
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| 19:16.36 | HardDisk_WP | help |
| 19:16.40 | HardDisk_WP | after installing selfbrew 2.6.21-rc6, my mouse is b0rken |
| 19:16.50 | HardDisk_WP | usb thing |
| 19:16.50 | HardDisk_WP | the mouse pointer works, but the buttons play crazy |
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| 19:17.54 | vchrizz | Kevin`: well, the original output of the ge doesnt work for my ppp connection too, i have to do some minor modifications to make it work, but i think its nice to use as base setup of iptables ;) |
| 19:18.01 | vchrizz | gen* |
| 19:18.03 | concept10 | Pupeno, heh, after further inspection, debian uses ubuntu's update-manager! |
| 19:18.21 | atealtha | Kevin`, not to hound you, but both group IDs on the server and client match. Do my user id's also have to be the same? |
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| 19:19.40 | mfrisch | does anyone know does it matter whatever backup you throw at a ntfs it will all ways store it in large file format?? |
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| 19:21.00 | concept10 | Pupeno, im not sure what repo it's in, im running sid |
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| 19:22.08 | Kevin` | atealtha i'm not really sure on that one. best that the gid exist and belong to that group though |
| 19:22.27 | Kevin` | uid* |
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| 19:23.17 | dexomsrc | Where is the best place to look to to find out if there has been any movement in Debian to upgrade the Ardour package from 0.99.3 to 2.0? |
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| 19:23.26 | dexomsrc | Mailing lists? Bug reports? Forums? |
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| 19:24.13 | atealtha | Kevin` it looks like there needs to be more than that unfortunately |
| 19:24.32 | Kevin` | there's probably something else going on |
| 19:24.41 | concept10 | dexomsrc, you probably better off building it yourself |
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| 19:25.24 | dexomsrc | concept10: Right okay I'll do that. But is there anything I can do as a user to try and prompt the package to be upgraded in sid? |
| 19:25.40 | atealtha | Kevin` well data corruption is one of them. I try writing to one of these files and byte size goes to 0 |
| 19:25.43 | concept10 | dexomsrc, email the packagers |
| 19:25.57 | dexomsrc | So not a bug report? |
| 19:26.02 | dexomsrc | Just straight up e-mail? |
| 19:26.27 | Kevin` | atealtha writing how? normal writes to a file will truncate it unless you specify otherwise |
| 19:26.57 | concept10 | dexomsrc, they have 2.0alpha in experimental |
| 19:27.09 | concept10 | dexomsrc, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/sound/ardour-gtk |
| 19:27.19 | chops | dexomsrc: I would file a wishlist bug report myself |
| 19:27.26 | atealtha | Kevin` opening in vim then :w |
| 19:27.31 | chops | dexomsrc: Though if it's in experimental it's a pretty safe bet that they're working on it |
| 19:27.32 | dexomsrc | Yes but 2.0 is stable now |
| 19:27.53 | dexomsrc | Ardour was 2.0 alpha quite some time ago |
| 19:28.07 | itrebal | dexomsrc: theres a buffer between releases and acceptance into the repository to allow time for bug reports and things |
| 19:28.11 | chops | By "safe bet," I mean, "totally uninformed guess" |
| 19:28.17 | Kevin` | atealtha the file size changing to zero and nothing get written could indicate no free space (or an over-quota) |
| 19:28.21 | atealtha | first it gives me the "Can't open file for writing" then boom, I lost the file contents |
| 19:28.27 | Jay2 | i am using a cdrom for the install, how can i umount & eject it while the system is online? |
| 19:28.33 | dexomsrc | Right |
| 19:28.37 | itrebal | is there an easy way to find all the packages that were manually installed with dpkg? |
| 19:28.49 | atealtha | Kevin` there is plenty of HDD space, and I haven't set anything like that |
| 19:28.49 | dexomsrc | Okay well I just want to make sure the package maintainers are aware of 2.0 becoming stable |
| 19:29.00 | concept10 | dexomsrc, I would email the devs, and file bug report |
| 19:29.16 | dexomsrc | It sounds like filing a wishlist bug report and/or e-mailing the package maintainers is the way to go |
| 19:29.18 | atealtha | Kevin`, put it this way: when I used a user with matching user and group id, everything worked as it should |
| 19:29.27 | atealtha | now since this is a different user, all this came along |
| 19:29.35 | concept10 | dexomsrc, im sure they know its been released. |
| 19:29.38 | saar | ugh i forgot, what command will add a debian source to get packages? |
| 19:29.56 | Kevin` | atealtha can you echo blah >>file ? |
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| 19:30.07 | concept10 | dexomsrc, but getting around to packaging maybe a different story. Especially for ardour2 |
| 19:30.21 | Kevin` | saar nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:30.52 | saar | well i mean the command which does the same as when you're installing debian |
| 19:30.59 | atealtha | Kevin` yes new files are no problem. And of course, user id is on the different account |
| 19:31.12 | saar | lets you choose http or ftp or so then showqs a list of sites |
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| 19:31.16 | Kevin` | atealtha I mean to the existing file |
| 19:31.21 | atealtha | now when I go back to the 'all fine' account, I get the same problem with this new file with new uid |
| 19:31.28 | atealtha | Kevin` oh let me check |
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| 19:31.56 | Kevin` | police just showed up here from a car crash |
| 19:32.08 | atealtha | Kevin`, yeah echo works actually |
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| 19:32.23 | Kevin` | vi must be doing something odd |
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| 19:32.48 | concept10 | dexomsrc, you can also check the debian multimedia list |
| 19:32.55 | atealtha | I'll try gedit |
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| 19:33.14 | Kevin` | i'm not sure what it would be doing that would cause this though |
| 19:33.17 | Kevin` | deleting the file? |
| 19:33.24 | atealtha | Kevin` gedit also has the same problem |
| 19:34.09 | dexomsrc | concept10: Where's that at? |
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| 19:35.16 | concept10 | dexomsrc, goto the debian homepage and look in the lists |
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| 19:36.20 | nn-main | Hi can someone help me with a gentoo problem the admins dont like me over there i said sory but they band me for 3 weeks;; how do i fix /etc/conf.d/net so eth0 |
| 19:36.29 | nn-main | shows up |
| 19:36.34 | xand | nn-main: no, go to #gentoo |
| 19:36.35 | atealtha | this looks like an nfs issue, but I haven't found any useful information on their docs |
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| 19:36.43 | chops | nn-main: Why not ask in #preteens? |
| 19:36.45 | Ronin | or a generic linux channel |
| 19:36.53 | xand | chops: hahaha |
| 19:37.20 | asg | nn-main: gentoo has decent documentation, I'd suggest reading it. |
| 19:37.24 | wintix | :D preteens :D |
| 19:37.45 | nn-main | asg i did and dont know where to go |
| 19:37.53 | Ronin | nn-main: ##linux for example |
| 19:37.58 | nn-main | ok |
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| 19:39.00 | Thorrn4 | hello everyone, to use the lenny repos, I change the repo list from "etch" to "testing" ? |
| 19:39.07 | xand | Thorrn4: uhuh |
| 19:39.15 | xand | Thorrn4: or to "lenny" |
| 19:39.36 | wintix | Thorrn4: lenny or testing will do. after that, run apt-get update |
| 19:40.04 | Thorrn4 | "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" doesnt have an "etch" do I leave it alone? |
| 19:40.18 | xand | Thorrn4: doesn't it? |
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| 19:41.04 | Thorrn4 | oh, it says "etch/updates" do I leave it the way it is? |
| 19:42.23 | wintix | Thorrn4: there are no security updates for lenny and sid. |
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| 19:43.18 | xand | Thorrn4: comment it out or remove it |
| 19:43.38 | Thorrn4 | ty everyone! |
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| 19:48.07 | jimbalaya | if i use apt-get upgrade, and choose to install the linux-headers/image/source security updates, will that cause problems with modules that i've put together myself? |
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| 19:48.40 | MalMen | anyone know anything about make a debian distro ? |
| 19:49.13 | itrebal | is there a way to determine which packages have been installed with a local .deb instead of with apt-get? |
| 19:50.11 | abrotman | apt-cache policy .. maybe |
| 19:50.57 | blinx | is it possible to encrypt a partition with luks through converting? I'm using ext3 |
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| 19:51.06 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: I would show apt-show-versions |
| 19:51.12 | vin` | MalMen: try http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian |
| 19:51.25 | itrebal | h3sp4wn: hrm? |
| 19:51.42 | jimbalaya | itrebal: do you mean how do you find out what files will be installed with a .deb that you downloaded? |
| 19:52.01 | jimbalaya | itrebal : if so, i found http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/03/msg00015.html |
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| 19:52.21 | h3sp4wn | itrebal: I would use apt-show-versions (anything that is not in a repository) will show something like linux-image-2.6.21.1-h3-4 spacecat1 installed: No available version in archive |
| 19:52.33 | itrebal | I've installed several .deb packages by downloading and manually typing dpkg -i <packagefile> and want to find out which ones have been installed in that method |
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| 19:52.39 | ofirg_ | how do I get the kernel package? |
| 19:52.54 | jimbalaya | itrebal : what i said won't help, then :-P |
| 19:53.09 | TML | itrebal: There you go, h3sp4wn has it. "apt-get install apt-show-versions" |
| 19:53.13 | ofirg_ | I mean the kernel source |
| 19:53.28 | Amarande | jimbalaya, I'm not sure if those are security updates or just normal updates |
| 19:53.33 | Amarande | I haven't installed them yet |
| 19:53.40 | Amarande | I'm also not sure if they will break the nvidia driver module |
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| 19:53.54 | TML | Something like: apt-show-versions | grep 'No avail' | awk '{print $1}' |
| 19:54.00 | jimbalaya | Amarande : i looked around, and i'm almost positive they're sec. updates ... there's a page up as well somewhere, explaining the update |
| 19:54.16 | itrebal | TML & h3sp4wn: thanks :) |
| 19:54.19 | Amarande | I read the updates in the GNOME update manager thing |
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| 19:54.34 | Amarande | they seem to pretty much just be hardware bugfixes in drivers that I've never really heard of, ported back from 2.6.20 |
| 19:54.48 | xeihin | can some one help me with the kernel-sources package? |
| 19:54.49 | Amarande | there was one thing mentioning a DoS in something that I'm not sure I actually use |
| 19:54.49 | jimbalaya | http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/ has one of the updates |
| 19:54.53 | xeihin | I get this when I do make menuconfig |
| 19:54.54 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/8Alb0a26.html |
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| 19:56.11 | xeihin | am I alone? |
| 19:56.13 | jimbalaya | Amarande : here it is http://www.debian.org/security/2007/dsa-1286 |
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| 19:56.19 | xeihin | am I alone here? |
| 19:56.44 | concept10 | xeihin, yes |
| 19:56.47 | maddash | yes. |
| 19:56.51 | asg | I'm a bot |
| 19:56.53 | xeihin | concept10 why? |
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| 19:56.57 | xeihin | :( |
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| 19:57.11 | maddash | !tell xeihin about kp-mantra |
| 19:57.11 | jimbalaya | xeihin : try installing 'dialog'? |
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| 19:57.34 | jimbalaya | xeihin : i saw on line 14: scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 19:57.35 | run1 | hey :) how can I know what's the maxium resolution my geforce4 mx 4000 (64mb) supports? |
| 19:57.40 | Amarande | ahh |
| 19:57.46 | jimbalaya | er, not dialog, ncurses |
| 19:57.47 | jimbalaya | sorry |
| 19:57.50 | ofirg_ | I look in synaptic..and see kernel image, headers not source |
| 19:57.54 | carbon60 | Anyone have ideas how to bring a system back down to a minimum number of packages? |
| 19:58.01 | maddash | xeihin: aptitude install libncurses5-dev |
| 19:58.02 | carbon60 | e.g. before repurposing it. |
| 19:58.11 | Amarande | hmm, all local exploits |
| 19:58.16 | Amarande | it can wait a few hours till I log out to go read my book |
| 19:58.19 | jimbalaya | ofirg_ : i think it's linux-source-VERS (ie linux-source-2.6.18) |
| 19:58.27 | concept10 | xeihin, do you have libncurses5-dev |
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| 19:58.39 | Amarande | not like my sister knows enough about linux to exploit any of those, and she's the only other one on this box with an account :) |
| 19:58.41 | concept10 | oh, someone mentioned it already |
| 19:58.56 | xeihin | yes concept10 |
| 19:58.58 | Amarande | anyone know if you have to redo the nvidia kernel driver thing with this patch? |
| 19:59.02 | Amarande | or is it ok since it's still .18? |
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| 19:59.21 | xeihin | look http://rafb.net/p/VpA7y391.html |
| 19:59.22 | jimbalaya | carbon60 : start using 'apt-get remove' ? ... or just copy configs and re-install ? |
| 19:59.27 | ofirg_ | jimbalaya, 10x |
| 19:59.38 | carbon60 | jimbalaya: Looking for a simpler way, I guess. |
| 19:59.40 | cwheeler | you might have to recompile the nvidia driver Amarande |
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| 19:59.47 | jimbalaya | carbon60: understandable ;-) |
| 19:59.49 | carbon60 | Particularly because it is remote. |
| 19:59.51 | cwheeler | it'll let you know by refusing to load |
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| 20:00.05 | simonrvn | !tell nyty -about root |
| 20:00.13 | xeihin | why I can't do make menuconfig? |
| 20:00.26 | maddash | xeihin: what kernel is this? |
| 20:00.40 | Dave_is_sexy | any tools available for reading cds with broken filesystems? (like isobuster on windows) |
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| 20:01.02 | jimbalaya | xeihin : check the kernel readme for requirements, and make sure your software meets them ... i've run into weird menuconfig errors that just turned out to be not having the software or having an older version |
| 20:01.05 | simonrvn | xeihin: i believe you should just do what was asked of you and installed the ncurses headers package |
| 20:01.14 | run1 | Dave_is_sexy: broken? what do you mean? |
| 20:01.16 | cwheeler | Dave_is_sexy yes there are debian packages, but i forget the name |
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| 20:01.59 | Amarande | hmm, what's the APT command to show what version sources are currently available for a package, without actually downloading them? |
| 20:02.06 | Dave_is_sexy | run1: you know when a cd is just generally screwed up, but the disc itself is fine. i can read the files with isobuster in windows, and currently no other way |
| 20:02.10 | carbon60 | Amarande: apt-cache policy |
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| 20:02.52 | xeihin | linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 |
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| 20:03.31 | run1 | Dave_is_sexy: sorry. no idea |
| 20:03.51 | Dave_is_sexy | cwheeler: what would be good terms to google? |
| 20:04.13 | cwheeler | you don't need google search for dvd or iso in synaptic |
| 20:04.24 | cwheeler | that's where I saw it |
| 20:05.03 | Dave_is_sexy | ah ok good thinking. oh damn that means rebooting, and sitting on the floor. i miss wireless :( |
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| 20:07.03 | Dave_is_sexy | how can i search the repositories on the www? ie not via apt |
| 20:07.17 | maddash | !tell Dave_is_sexy about find |
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| 20:07.31 | sulo | Hi |
| 20:07.38 | jimbalaya | Dave_is_sexy : i think it's http://packages.debian.org |
| 20:07.55 | Dave_is_sexy | jimbalaya: ah yes. nice one |
| 20:08.13 | jimbalaya | Dave_is_sexy : yep, then down at the bottom, you can choose which distro as well ... quite the helpful site |
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| 20:08.27 | sulo | could somebody give me an example of a programming language where the code isn't compiled before run, but rather interpreted by some software |
| 20:08.49 | atealtha | shell? |
| 20:08.58 | h3sp4wn | sulo: tcl |
| 20:09.32 | jimbalaya | perl? |
| 20:09.34 | sulo | h3sp4wn how about perl? or would that be to categorize as a scripting language? |
| 20:09.47 | sulo | jimbalaya scripting or programming lang? |
| 20:09.57 | jimbalaya | hadn't really thought of it in such detail, sulo |
| 20:10.10 | sulo | jimbalaya need an example for this essay I'm writing |
| 20:10.21 | Dave_is_sexy | while i'm on the subject of CDs. I tried every burner ap tonight. Not one had an option to 'continue' a multisession disc. Am I wrong? |
| 20:10.37 | eck | sulo: scripting language vs programming language is all in the eye of the beholder |
| 20:10.46 | h3sp4wn | sulo: perl could be either I think (depending on the program) |
| 20:10.49 | sulo | jimbalaya I know there are languages that don't need to be compiled but would still be defined as a programming language |
| 20:10.53 | sulo | eck interesting |
| 20:11.33 | sulo | eck I've been looking into the subject, but really haven't come up with anything. except maybe what you just stated |
| 20:11.39 | eck | sulo: it also depends how you mean compiled -- a number of languages are compiled to bytecode, but not machine code |
| 20:12.11 | eck | e.g. python, java, c# |
| 20:12.49 | sulo | eck: exactly. another point... some people (non-programmers) have stated that it has to be compiled into "machine-readable code" in order to classify as a programming language. I perceived that as wrong, but also need to prove it wrong in a more "scientific" kind of way |
| 20:12.59 | jimbalaya | Amarande : have you applied the security updates yet? :-) ....... go on, be my guinea pig |
| 20:13.16 | sulo | eck: python, java and c# are compiled into byte code, right? |
| 20:13.22 | Amarande | jimbalaya, I'm going to apply them later, when it's more convenient for me to reboot |
| 20:13.22 | b_jonas | I think that's a question of definition, not something you could prove |
| 20:13.31 | itrebal | abrotman: I should remove packages, upgrade, then reinstall if necissary, right? |
| 20:13.41 | b_jonas | I think c# is made with compiling to native code in mind |
| 20:13.46 | abrotman | itrebal: that's one way |
| 20:14.00 | b_jonas | but I like byte-code compiled ones more. they can be faster actually |
| 20:14.05 | itrebal | abrotman: and the otheR? |
| 20:14.19 | abrotman | itrebal: you really should setup a test bed to try this before you do it on a remote live system |
| 20:14.27 | jimbalaya | Amarande : do you think you'll be on IRC after you do? ... I'd be interested in the results, and I have an unknown amount of modules added in after installation because of this mythtv install :-/ |
| 20:14.29 | itrebal | abrotman: ok, I'll do it locally |
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| 20:15.11 | h3sp4wn | sulo: I think anything that needs to feel responsive (i.e any gui applications) should be written in a language that compiles to machine code |
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| 20:15.49 | sulo | h3sp4wn okay |
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| 20:16.22 | Amarande | well, I downloaded bitchx just to be sure I can get on IRC if X fails to start :) |
| 20:16.25 | robin_sz | hmmm .... an yone know if there is a Hylafax IRC channel? mines stoppped answerign calls ..... again |
| 20:16.41 | jimbalaya | hehe |
| 20:17.00 | robin_sz | and I do hate restarting boxes just cos one poxy service has died |
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| 20:18.11 | MFen | how do i get rid of an "autoremove" state on a package? |
| 20:18.27 | MFen | i have some packages that i installed with dpkg -i. for some reason apt thinks i need to uninstall them |
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| 20:18.38 | MFen | i can't use apt-get autoremove until i fix this state |
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| 20:19.51 | foo | http://x01.ath.cx/temp/error.txt - can someone reassure me that these are hard drive errors? I saw this, and the system crashed. Is it 99% chance that it is the drive, or can it be the sata controller or something? Hm |
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| 20:20.12 | matahari | hi |
| 20:20.26 | robin_sz | hi |
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| 20:20.36 | MFen | foo: *most* "drive" failures are the controller or the cabling, ime |
| 20:20.39 | matahari | just a little question: how can i install a package via apt-get but without getting the dependencies? |
| 20:21.10 | stew | matahari: why would you want to do that? |
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| 20:21.21 | foo | MFen: ah, I see, so odds are that's not a bad drive. |
| 20:21.45 | MFen | foo: well, i haven't seen your errors yet. |
| 20:21.54 | matahari | because of lots of error messages because i compiled some programs myself (and they are not integrated into apt) |
| 20:22.07 | MFen | ok, now i've seen your error |
| 20:22.11 | matahari | pycentral pkginstall: already exists: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/setuptools.pth |
| 20:22.18 | matahari | somethings like that |
| 20:22.31 | MFen | foo: marginal cables, poorly seated controllers, and so on often cause things that are reported as drive failures |
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| 20:22.36 | MFen | foo: the kernel really has no way to tell the difference |
| 20:22.36 | foo | MFen: ah, I see |
| 20:22.39 | cusco | matahari: I don't remember how but I know you can pin down the deps |
| 20:22.41 | robin_sz | you compiled stuff from non-debian packages for stuff that already exists as debian packages? |
| 20:22.43 | sulo | apt? |
| 20:22.52 | sulo | where's apt? |
| 20:23.10 | itrebal | awesome |
| 20:23.10 | matahari | robin_sz: i compiled the stuff months ago, when the packages didn't exist |
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| 20:23.23 | sulo | aren't there any bots here anymore? |
| 20:23.45 | stew | dpkg: tell sulo about help |
| 20:23.53 | MFen | foo: like, if you suddenly can't connect to the internet, you check the ethernet cable first, you don't look outside the window to see if there's a nuclear war ;-) |
| 20:23.59 | Amarande | sulo, dpkg suffered a power surge and developed an independent personality |
| 20:23.59 | robin_sz | matahari, then your best bet would be to figure out what got installed, .. un instal it, and put the properly packaged versions in |
| 20:24.02 | foo | MFen: :P |
| 20:24.05 | Amarande | since then, he has been busy drinking with Bender |
| 20:24.07 | stew | matahari: why not install the dependencies via apt-get? |
| 20:24.16 | matahari | robin_sz: hmmm much work |
| 20:24.34 | matahari | stew: because dpkg does complain, because some files already exist.... |
| 20:24.55 | stew | matahari: you should either decide to use the package management or not, not try to half way use it |
| 20:25.08 | chops | matahari: Also see GNU stow |
| 20:25.18 | robin_sz | matahari, basically, whne you did hte installs from source, you sprayed stuff all over the system, its now what we call "messed up" ... |
| 20:25.33 | chops | matahari: It's a good way to install local stuff in such a way that it's (a) easy to remove, and (b) not going to get in the way of the package manager |
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| 20:26.10 | jimbalaya | robin_sz : you need to write some documentation or howtos or something :-) |
| 20:26.35 | matahari | yeah, i know, it was very stupid..... extremely stupid.... |
| 20:26.37 | chops | matahari: You could try to use 'cruft' to clean up now, but honestly I'd just recommend reinstalling (or continuing to limp along as best you can :-/) |
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| 20:28.10 | jimbalaya | is there a way for matahari to re-install the software in question to a contained location, like /home/matahari/softwareinstall and then browse through that, removing files that match actual files on his system? |
| 20:28.12 | chops | matahari: That said, maintaining such a Frankenstein system as my main desktop for several months taught me a lot about GNU/Linux |
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| 20:28.48 | Dave_is_sexy | is it possible to mount the same cd twice (so cdrom0 is in fstab twice) with 2 different filesystem drivers? (don't ask why) |
| 20:29.00 | chops | matahari: I was locally building and installing random RPMs from random distributions onto what was originally a Mandrake system. I had a lot of problems, but solving them taught me a lot about how things work :-) |
| 20:29.00 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: why? |
| 20:29.06 | MFen | so how do you change that "autoremove" state on packages? |
| 20:29.17 | MFen | i want to turn it off |
| 20:29.20 | matahari | learning from errors is the best... |
| 20:29.24 | abrotman | it's an option in aptitude |
| 20:29.33 | jimbalaya | Dave_is_sexy : check out the --bind option in mount's manpage ... i'm not sure if you can specify FS type ... or if it will actually do what you want ... |
| 20:29.34 | MFen | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 20:29.38 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: lol. if you look back over the last hours I'm sure you'll piece it together ;) |
| 20:29.50 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: can i get the Reader's Digest version? :) |
| 20:29.59 | Dave_is_sexy | jimbalaya: shall do |
| 20:30.33 | jimbalaya | Dave_is_sexy : it might (the --bind) just provide a second mount-point for the same FS ...... sorry if i make you read for nothing ;-) |
| 20:30.43 | stew | jimbalaya: does specifying a filesystem make sense with --bind? if so, would it make sense to specify one different to the original filesystem? |
| 20:30.53 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: want regular mounting and mounting as cdfs at teh same time (cdfs = good for messed up cds) |
| 20:31.06 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: have you tried it? |
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| 20:31.17 | jimbalaya | stew : that's why i was (hoped i sounded, anyway) hesitant |
| 20:31.26 | PumpkinPie | I need someone named Randy |
| 20:31.30 | PumpkinPie | are you named Randy? |
| 20:31.49 | MFen | abrotman: where in aptitude? i have 6 packages that are in the autoremove state. i opened the properties sheet for one of them, and i don't see anything about that |
| 20:31.55 | MFen | it just has status: installed |
| 20:31.59 | Amarande | I know some pretty randy people, but I don't think any of them are named Randy |
| 20:32.03 | MFen | i can remove or completely remove, neither of which i want to do. |
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| 20:32.50 | MFen | abrotman: is it "set internal option" with some secret key? :) |
| 20:32.53 | chops | matahari: You could grab Contents-i386.gz (or whatever) by hand, grep it for the files in that packages you want to install, and use [ -f $foo ] to find out if they're already on your system (and presumably remove them when necessary). |
| 20:33.13 | matahari | it works now |
| 20:33.13 | abrotman | MFen: or aptitude install <pkg> |
| 20:33.15 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: no not yet. I'm freeking sick of sitting on the floor by the router, having failed to get help with the simplest thing in the world. therefore i am on beautiful win2k this evening and shall return to debain after i stumble upon the answer in passing |
| 20:33.19 | matahari | removed one package by hand |
| 20:33.22 | matahari | thanks, guys! |
| 20:33.31 | MFen | abrotman: wait, i found it, under Package menu |
| 20:33.46 | foo | chops: use [ -f $foo ] ... you want to use me or something? :P |
| 20:33.53 | MFen | abrotman: (aptitude install doesn't work for me either. it will try to install the dist package, which is broken, i want to keep my custom package) |
| 20:34.05 | ravn | anyone: how do I save an rm-file? Ff only wants to send it to totem, but I want to save it. |
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| 20:34.30 | ralf-x | ok, so maybe I've missed something in the last year |
| 20:34.36 | ralf-x | oh. ok. I see teh topic |
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| 20:35.48 | maddash | Dave_is_sexy: why would you have to "sit by the router"? |
| 20:36.33 | MFen | abrotman: awesome, it's fixed now. thanks much. |
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| 20:37.07 | Dave_is_sexy | maddash: because the wireless wont send requests through 192.168.0.1, and no matter how much I tell people that the responses I get are wrong (which they are) they assume it is a driver problem - which it is not |
| 20:37.45 | Dave_is_sexy | ..so i use route add <ip> but of course it already exists for ethernet, so that's no good. |
| 20:38.12 | maddash | Dave_is_sexy: er, isn't 192.168.0.1 your gateway? |
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| 20:38.43 | Dave_is_sexy | i read somewhere that specifying 'open wep' would fix everything which i believe it will, but try and find that in any manual? ha. it's not even in Rute |
| 20:38.51 | Dave_is_sexy | maddash: yes it is |
| 20:39.37 | maddash | Dave_is_sexy: can you connect to your router when encryption is disabled altogether? |
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| 20:40.21 | Dave_is_sexy | maddash: oh i can't do that. i have a metal-crazy housemate who will destroy things if the internet goes off for a second. |
| 20:40.37 | Dave_is_sexy | ...i'll be moving out asap |
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| 20:41.26 | mrstocks | Hi i have a shell script with a string http://something/img/yel_head.png%0D and i would need to remove the %0D how ? |
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| 20:41.42 | maddash | Dave_is_sexy: which wireless driver are you using? what sort of encryption does your router use? and what exactly is your problem? "wireless wont send requests through 192.168.0.1" doesn't make much sense. |
| 20:42.02 | maddash | mrstocks: #bash. |
| 20:42.04 | ralf-x | ok, so I did a dist-upgrade without realizing that etch was stable now |
| 20:42.06 | Dave_is_sexy | i mean you would think with how many programmers working on linux projects, that somebody would have extended network-manager to auto scan, connect, and configure |
| 20:42.12 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
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| 20:42.25 | ralf-x | I have changed my sources.list to point back to sarge |
| 20:42.42 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy network manager DOES do that. I remember using it |
| 20:42.42 | ralf-x | any thoughts on how I can finish fixing this broken box? :P |
| 20:42.50 | chops | ralf-x: Upgrade to etch? :-P |
| 20:42.57 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy I suspect your problem is you have both the ethernet and wireless interface up at the same time. so routes get messed up |
| 20:43.02 | ralf-x | chops: no. that's not gonna happen now |
| 20:43.07 | chops | ralf-x: ? |
| 20:43.09 | chops | ralf-x: Why not? |
| 20:43.11 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: no, i've done that. i posted the error earlier. it was along the lines of "files already exists". anyway 192.x is already in the list, but as eth1 |
| 20:43.27 | ralf-x | it'll take me a while to check all the release notes before I do something like that |
| 20:43.38 | h3sp4wn | network manager should stop that (the reason why it has to have control of all interfaces) you plugin wired it presumes you want to use it |
| 20:43.40 | ralf-x | esp as it's no longer as simple as 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 20:43.54 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy like I said, it's already in the list. REMOVE IT |
| 20:44.08 | ralf-x | so, for some reason, even though I changed back to sarge in my sources.list, apt still knows about the etch stuff |
| 20:44.18 | ralf-x | any clues where to remove that package data? |
| 20:44.21 | itrebal | ralf-x: apt-get update |
| 20:44.28 | ralf-x | itrebal: did that. didn't help. |
| 20:44.31 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: and that is somehow confusing? what about network bridges? if debian can't handle something as simple as 2 interfaces then how can it merge them for fasterness? |
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| 20:44.40 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: if i remove it i wont have ehthernet |
| 20:44.47 | itrebal | ralf-x: make sure that everything that said stable is now oldstable or sarge |
| 20:44.52 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy it can handle them. your telling both interfaces to do the same thing. |
| 20:45.02 | ralf-x | itrebal: I have changed it all to sarge |
| 20:45.07 | Dave_is_sexy | ...at completely different times |
| 20:45.13 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: ^ |
| 20:45.13 | Kevin` | at the SAME time |
| 20:45.21 | ralf-x | it's still giving me crap like "libapache2-mod-php4: Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-20) but 6:4.4.4-8+etch2 is to be installed" |
| 20:45.21 | itrebal | I don't know, then |
| 20:45.22 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, thers is no problem having 2 or more interfaces, you just need to set up the routing tables |
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| 20:45.27 | Kevin` | if the route is listed your telling it to do it RIGHT THEN |
| 20:45.29 | grim76 | ralf-x: might have to clear the cach for apt. apt-get clear |
| 20:45.30 | Dave_is_sexy | kevin: no, ethernet is always unplugged when i try wireless |
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| 20:45.37 | ralf-x | grim76: ok, I'll try that |
| 20:45.40 | rahul | stoned: you stoned my X server |
| 20:45.42 | chops | ralf-x: Read the etch ugprade notes, or cross fingers and say 'aptitude upgrade' |
| 20:45.47 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy unplugging it usually does not disable the routing. |
| 20:45.59 | maddash | Dave_is_sexy: maybe, ifdown eth0? |
| 20:46.00 | ralf-x | grim76: erm. 'clear' isn't an option. |
| 20:46.01 | chops | Dave_is_sexy: ifdown eth1 |
| 20:46.02 | Kevin` | Dave_is_sexy if you desire it to do so, it is possible, but I personally hate it getting disabled |
| 20:46.15 | ralf-x | grim76: rather, "E: Invalid operation clear' |
| 20:46.19 | grim76 | ralf-x: sorry it is clean |
| 20:46.23 | Dave_is_sexy | robin_sz: ok i like that idea. I tried that in 2004 and it resulted in me formatting my entire harddrive in disgust. |
| 20:46.24 | ralf-x | ah ok |
| 20:46.40 | grim76 | typing and thinking are two different things today. |
| 20:46.45 | chops | ralf-x: Your system won't work properly while it's half-ugpraded, but upgrading all the way to etch will be easier than going back to sarge :-( |
| 20:47.04 | chops | ralf-x: Think of it like a surprise party for all your local applications |
| 20:47.05 | ralf-x | chops: I can't just install sarge packages on top of the etch ones? |
| 20:47.13 | chops | ralf-x: Nope, sorry. World of pain. |
| 20:47.15 | torrr | I am trying to compile a driver for the lan... which need the kernel source and it complains about Module.symvers not there |
| 20:47.17 | ralf-x | oh come on |
| 20:47.28 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, I have several boxes with multile interfaces, including wireless and ethernets, vpn tunnels and even arp transparent bridge |
| 20:47.43 | chops | ralf-x: You don't have to believe me, but it will be easier to upgrade than downgrade now that you're half-upgraded. |
| 20:47.44 | robin_sz | on the haunted section of the network |
| 20:47.52 | ralf-x | well fuck me twice. |
| 20:47.54 | Dave_is_sexy | robin_sz: ok you can come to my house and stay and i'll make burretos |
| 20:48.37 | robin_sz | burretos is sume sort of donkey? |
| 20:48.57 | chops | robin_sz: It's a food |
| 20:49.00 | Dave_is_sexy | LOL. Burretos are (probably spelt wrong) Mexico's best food |
| 20:49.01 | robin_sz | ahh |
| 20:49.12 | robin_sz | so I was right then |
| 20:49.18 | rahul | no me moleste mosquito. just let me eat my burrito. |
| 20:49.29 | Dave_is_sexy | LOL |
| 20:49.31 | rahul | although enchiladas and quesadillas are better :) |
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| 20:49.36 | maddash | rahul: that makes no sense. |
| 20:49.39 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: it's a Doors song |
| 20:49.48 | Dave_is_sexy | ooh never had a quasidilla!! |
| 20:49.56 | abrotman | maddash: it's rahul .. he never makes sense |
| 20:50.02 | rahul | heh. quasidilla. |
| 20:50.09 | Dave_is_sexy | ;) |
| 20:50.09 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i heard the mexican food in .uk is horrid |
| 20:50.19 | abrotman | lower than taco hell quality |
| 20:50.22 | rahul | a quasidilla is a quesadilla you buy at fresco tortillas |
| 20:50.27 | rahul | eew |
| 20:50.43 | streuner | abrotman: .uk only eat indian or pakistani food ;-) |
| 20:50.47 | streuner | people* |
| 20:50.50 | rahul | streuner: hehe, exactly |
| 20:50.57 | rahul | that's the national cusine |
| 20:50.58 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: nope. i heard that too, and having now visited other coontries which are supposed to have good food, I can say I am so glad to be home where all the food is great (australia having the worst) |
| 20:51.10 | rahul | uh |
| 20:51.22 | abrotman | okay .. now we've entered into nonsense |
| 20:51.30 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: actually chicken tika is the national cuisine. invented in london :) |
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| 20:51.46 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: that's what brits mean by indian food :) |
| 20:51.52 | Dave_is_sexy | ...moving into #food |
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| 20:52.17 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: yep! our indian food is awesome! |
| 20:52.23 | rahul | heh. |
| 20:52.41 | rahul | well, gaylord is good stuff |
| 20:52.49 | rahul | my grandparents cater from them a lot |
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| 20:53.05 | spundun | rahul: uk, esp. london is famous for great indian food outside india, second is new jersey me thinks |
| 20:53.08 | itrebal | hehe, my parents lived in india for years... they're damn good chefs :) |
| 20:53.12 | rahul | spundun: yep |
| 20:53.22 | coolzone | Hi. I would like to mount my HOME directory from work, using SSH/SSHfs directly on top of my local HOME, and then start a KDE session. By that all my changes will be the same both places. Is this possible? |
| 20:53.23 | Dave_is_sexy | so what's that thingy where people can control my computer over the internet? ssh, or v...something. one of them is graphical right? |
| 20:53.39 | maddash | why the feck does radeon.ko use four times as much phys mem as fglrx, when both do the same thing? |
| 20:53.41 | itrebal | coolzone: possible? maybe, safe?no |
| 20:53.54 | rahul | maddash: erm, they don't do the same thing |
| 20:54.22 | coolzone | itrebal, elaborate please :-) |
| 20:54.28 | rahul | maddash: fglrx actually uses the hardware correctly, as they have info that we don't :) |
| 20:54.44 | Dave_is_sexy | i'm going to assume that ssh is a protocol and that i have to go search for a client / server set... like gSSH, or kSSH, or xSSH... |
| 20:54.55 | maddash | rahul: if that were true, then how the feck did it manage to break suspend? |
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| 20:55.20 | itrebal | coolzone: your system puts certain files in your home directory that are specific to it, you could really goof up a system that way |
| 20:55.26 | rahul | maddash: breaks suspend for the whole system or for video only? |
| 20:55.38 | Leonidas | can someone confirm that postfix in etch properly handles smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes? In my tests it always accepts AUTH, be it encrypted or not. |
| 20:55.43 | maddash | rahul: anyway, it's still no reason to use 100+MB of mem |
| 20:55.43 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: openssh is the standard provider of the ssh software |
| 20:55.50 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: from windows, putty is a good ssh client |
| 20:56.00 | maddash | rahul: I'm on a laptop. |
| 20:56.13 | Leonidas | I suspect postfix 2.5.1 in debian is faulty, so I would be very interested in hearing that it's not :) |
| 20:56.15 | maddash | rahul: translation: the whole thing. |
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| 20:56.18 | rahul | maddash: sure, understood. but what does it break suspend for? |
| 20:56.22 | itrebal | Dave_is_sexy: SSH has a good server named sshd |
| 20:56.23 | Amarande | nvidia should buy ATI. |
| 20:56.25 | coolzone | itrebal, that part is not a problem.. I want the system to believe, its local, while its really remote. |
| 20:56.28 | Amarande | Then there'd be no more reason for closed standards |
| 20:56.33 | chops | maddash: Sometimes X will appear to consume memory that isn't actually being consumed, just mapped from a framebuffer or some such |
| 20:56.34 | maddash | Amarande: agreed. |
| 20:56.37 | robin_sz | Dave_is_sexy, ssh, remote, secure shell |
| 20:56.41 | chops | maddash: Not that that's necessarily what's happen to you... |
| 20:56.55 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: oh no i'll be putting it onto debian.. after i use partition magic to increase my ex3 partition size. known safe, or known dangerous? |
| 20:57.03 | maddash | chops: hm, so how would that affect the output of `free`? |
| 20:57.10 | stew | Leonidas: postfix 2.5.1 in debian cannot be faulty, as 2.5.1 isnt' in debian. |
| 20:57.15 | rahul | Amarande: er, you're a bit behind there |
| 20:57.15 | rahul | maddash: ok... well maybe they've broken stuff in linux that they don't care to learn about :) |
| 20:57.15 | itrebal | coolzone: I'm just saying you're sort of asking for problems :/ |
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| 20:57.41 | coolzone | itrebal, :-) |
| 20:57.42 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: I'd never used partition magic |
| 20:57.45 | Leonidas | stew: sorry, I meant 2.1.5 (2.5.1 is not even released I think) |
| 20:57.51 | Amarande | rahul, what reason is there for closed standards if nvidia and ATI didn't need to compete? :) |
| 20:58.05 | rahul | Amarande: you mean AMD. |
| 20:58.19 | maddash | Amarande: A-MD/-TI |
| 20:58.29 | rahul | maddash: heh |
| 20:58.30 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: oh you should it's fantasic. can resize partitions without breaking them |
| 20:58.35 | stew | Leonidas: the bts would list such a bug if it existed, especially since that version entered debian many years ago /msg dpkg bts |
| 20:58.40 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: uh... |
| 20:58.43 | Amarande | I still find the AMD/ATI merger odd |
| 20:58.50 | Amarande | and I mean *odd* |
| 20:58.53 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: I didn't think .uk had that much pot |
| 20:59.04 | robin_sz | does too |
| 20:59.05 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: so what exactly ARE you on? |
| 20:59.07 | Amarande | after all, don't the vast majority of AMD mobos use nForce? |
| 20:59.09 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: ha! this is LONDON |
| 20:59.31 | Leonidas | stew: good idea. I'm surprised that etch was still shipping that version which is rather old. |
| 20:59.33 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.37 | rahul | Amarande: no |
| 20:59.39 | stew | Leonidas: etch is not shipping that version |
| 20:59.49 | stew | !info postfix etch |
| 20:59.58 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.8-2+b1 (etch), Packaged size: 1063 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB |
| 21:00.10 | stew | Leonidas: ^^^ etch has 2.3.8 not 2.1.5 |
| 21:00.40 | Leonidas | stew: oh, right. I meant postfix-tls. Didn't know that that has some completely different version. |
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| 21:00.58 | streuner | there is no postfix-tls |
| 21:01.01 | stew | Leonidas: etch doesn't ship a postfix-tls |
| 21:01.11 | n3kl | I do not understand the purpose of an ssh or gpg keyring. Why is using something like keychain a good thing? |
| 21:01.17 | streuner | its included nowadays in 2.x versions |
| 21:01.35 | Leonidas | stew: mine does? |
| 21:01.53 | stew | Leonidas: no it doesn't, |
| 21:01.54 | Leonidas | streuner: Version: 2.1.5-9... |
| 21:02.09 | chops | Leonidas: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:02.09 | stew | Leonidas: you haven't finished upgrading from sarge then |
| 21:02.13 | stew | Leonidas: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 21:02.56 | madclicker | how do i clear stats on a network card? |
| 21:02.57 | Leonidas | chops: 4.0 |
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| 21:03.17 | Leonidas | stew: seems so. This has to be a leftover after sarge. |
| 21:03.22 | streuner | ok, do what stew told you then |
| 21:03.27 | Leonidas | Fine, the better! |
| 21:03.35 | maddash | n3kl: so that you don't lose your keys? |
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| 21:05.40 | n3kl | maddash: ha |
| 21:05.55 | n3kl | Leonidas: its about time! |
| 21:05.59 | ralf-x | silly question, but how can I make it so 'dpkg -l' gives me a wider first column? |
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| 21:06.07 | ralf-x | I can't see the name of this *$*U()$ package |
| 21:06.11 | chops | ralf-x: dpkg -l | cat |
| 21:06.54 | ralf-x | huh? |
| 21:06.54 | maddash | chops: cat makes it narrower, not wider, over hee |
| 21:06.54 | ralf-x | why would that do anything at all? |
| 21:07.00 | maddash | chops: s/hee/here |
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| 21:07.29 | ralf-x | it's the same output here, as I would expect... |
| 21:08.58 | maddash | whoa, did a "netsplit" just occur? |
| 21:09.32 | madclicker | how do i clear stats on a network card? |
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| 21:09.52 | maddash | madclicker: "stats" |
| 21:09.53 | maddash | ? |
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| 21:10.08 | ralf-x | see, when i go to upgrade my kernel on this box, it errors out |
| 21:10.09 | ralf-x | dammit |
| 21:10.22 | Leonidas | stew: ok, my fault. It really was postfix 2.3.8. But my problem stays that smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes is ignored... |
| 21:11.00 | madclicker | Maddash, packerts transmitter |
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| 21:11.02 | chops | maddash, ralf-x: http://pastebin.ca/471367 |
| 21:11.12 | maddash | madclicker: ifconfig `intfc` down? |
| 21:11.18 | ralf-x | chops: ya, ok |
| 21:11.29 | chops | maddash, ralf-x: "cat" makes it so dpkg can't get the terminal settings from stdout and adjust its output width accordingly |
| 21:11.41 | chops | So it makes it as wide as necessary instead of fitting to the window |
| 21:11.54 | ralf-x | chops: mm. I see. |
| 21:12.06 | maddash | chops: "mole"? |
| 21:12.16 | chops | maddash: Something wrong with "mole"? |
| 21:12.31 | maddash | chops: maybe not. nice hostname. |
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| 21:13.09 | maddash | chops: so cat made the columns thinner because all of my dpkg -l entries were short enough? |
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| 21:13.21 | chops | maddash: Probably |
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| 21:13.55 | JerJer | I have Debian 4.0 setup with LVM and a RAID-1 - Can I take the second drive of that array and drop it into another server that is exactly the same (Dell 1600) ? |
| 21:14.09 | JerJer | ...and expect it to work |
| 21:14.09 | chops | JerJer: Software RAID1? |
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| 21:14.16 | JerJer | chops: yes software |
| 21:14.23 | chops | JerJer: I'd expect it to work then |
| 21:14.24 | DrMitch | when i boot, i get an error: "Detecting hardware...FATAL: Module snd_intel8x0 not found." I compiled this module into the kernel. i've looked in modprobe.d directory but can't find where debian looks to load boot-time modules. any help? |
| 21:14.30 | chops | JerJer: You might have to play with mdadm and such |
| 21:14.40 | maddash | DrMitch: /etc/modules |
| 21:14.44 | JerJer | chops: yeah it will bitch about the array being broken |
| 21:14.56 | n3kl | Without using screen, is there a way that I can take over another virtual terminal? |
| 21:15.03 | amphi | DrMitch: you compiled it monolitically? |
| 21:15.04 | DrMitch | maddash, not there |
| 21:15.06 | JerJer | speaking of grub - hmm |
| 21:15.06 | maddash | n3kl: dtach |
| 21:15.12 | DrMitch | yea |
| 21:15.13 | chops | JerJer: If it's RAID1, it will complain about a degraded array, but it'll still be willing to mount it |
| 21:15.20 | maddash | DrMitch: `cat /etc/modules` |
| 21:15.21 | JerJer | ok good |
| 21:15.36 | DrMitch | there's two modules in there: loop, and sbp2 |
| 21:15.44 | JerJer | here goes nuffin |
| 21:15.50 | amphi | DrMitch: then there's no module |
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| 21:16.16 | DrMitch | but i'm getting an error at boottime |
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| 21:16.47 | maddash | DrMitch: `su -c "updatedb" ; locate intel8x0` |
| 21:18.14 | maddash | DrMitch: or better yet, 'locate intel8x0|grep `uname -r`' |
| 21:18.17 | DrMitch | while that's updating - didn't there used to be an rc.update or soemthing so i wouldn't have to manually rename /etc/rcX.d/ files to stop them from running? (as you can tell i haven't used debian for a while) |
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| 21:22.13 | torrr | anyone knows the Module.symvers is missing issue and how to bypass it? |
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| 21:22.53 | pablo_ | hi, while browsing distrowatch with iceweasel it ended with a segmentation fault |
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| 21:25.52 | pablo_ | chops: ok |
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| 21:26.16 | itchi | Someone experienced with a NIS+IPSec setup? |
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| 21:26.51 | Leonidas | where is $MAIL defined? I want to set it System-Global to ~/Maildir, but I cannot find the setting. |
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| 21:27.37 | karsten | Leonidas: /etc/environment |
| 21:27.40 | itchi | I have setup a NIS server, these is working like expected. But NIS be nature is not secure, so i want to setup IPSec to crypt all the network traffic. I'm following this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/37 but not understand the last part of the article |
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| 21:28.07 | itchi | The section 'Pre-Shared Keys' |
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| 21:28.37 | itchi | Which keys need i to put in? |
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| 21:30.38 | itchi | How do i make these keys for each hosts? |
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| 21:31.36 | Cyorxamp | Lo! Umm... any chance anyone knows how to install Engage on Debian4 (i'm using XFCE, would like to it along side) ? |
| 21:31.40 | sphenxes | hi, i have 4 GB free space on my computer, is it enough to install etch + gnome? |
| 21:32.01 | chops | sphenxes: I would say probably |
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| 21:32.16 | sphenxes | chops, thanks |
| 21:32.38 | mascygp | etch+gnome= 3.3G |
| 21:32.46 | vchrizz | can anybody recommend me some better alternatives to wine? |
| 21:33.04 | kth``laptop | vchrizz; Qemu? |
| 21:33.08 | itchi | sphenxes: I may suggest you to not choice somethings in the tasksel, when your on the end, but install the minimal gnome and other minimal stuff be hand |
| 21:33.18 | tarzeau | etch+gnome=bloat |
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| 21:33.47 | sphenxes | thanks |
| 21:33.56 | itchi | sphenxes: See /msg dpkg install gnome and /msg dpkg install x |
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| 21:34.07 | vchrizz | kth``laptop: well, i dont want to run a vm just to use miranda under linux ;) |
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| 21:34.20 | |Lapo| | Hi all linuxers ;-) |
| 21:34.33 | karsten | vchrizz: rdesktop if you've got a 'Doze system you can access. |
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| 21:35.02 | kth``laptop | vchrizz; Well, I could suggest gaim/whatever it's called instead of messing with windows apps, but it's your choice :P |
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| 21:35.27 | |Lapo| | lol |
| 21:35.30 | tarzeau | !asterisk |
| 21:35.30 | dpkg | well, asterisk is a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/ |
| 21:35.31 | vchrizz | karsten: heh, im running a linux box as router and got an own windows box for myself... switched working on the router, so i dont need to run two machines at the same time ;) |
| 21:35.31 | Leonidas | karsten: fine, but is there a way to add the home directory to a variable? MAIL=~/Maildir does not work, $HOME/Maildir does not, /home/`whoami`/Maildir does not work either |
| 21:35.42 | tarzeau | asterisk in my ass! |
| 21:35.51 | tarzeau | !openvpn |
| 21:35.51 | dpkg | i guess openvpn is at http://openvpn.net |
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| 21:36.17 | dunpeal | !kde > me |
| 21:36.24 | Cyorxamp | Lo! Umm... any chance anyone knows how to install Engage on Debian4 (i'm using XFCE, would like to it along side) ? |
| 21:36.28 | tarzeau | !shorewall |
| 21:36.28 | dpkg | The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 21:36.36 | dunpeal | !kde |
| 21:36.36 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 21:36.40 | Dave_is_sexy | hey what's the general rule on compiling a libray. no configure, but make brings up 'no all' |
| 21:37.04 | Dave_is_sexy | No rule to make target `all'. Stop |
| 21:37.05 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: are you dave? |
| 21:37.07 | |Lapo| | bye guys :-P B-) :-D |
| 21:37.10 | Dave_is_sexy | yes |
| 21:37.12 | Dave_is_sexy | :P |
| 21:37.16 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: gay? |
| 21:37.19 | vchrizz | kth``laptop: i had already a look at gaim, but i prefer miranda because of its plugins and so much configuration |
| 21:37.20 | Dave_is_sexy | no |
| 21:37.47 | itchi | Dave_is_sexy: Not yet? |
| 21:37.53 | itchi | :-p |
| 21:37.59 | Dave_is_sexy | ...so to make my library, i do what? |
| 21:38.09 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: the name of the library? |
| 21:38.21 | Dave_is_sexy | why can't apt do it for me. it's libcdio.. pretty common library |
| 21:38.23 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: read its documentation or send me 50 donuts and i make it |
| 21:38.31 | vchrizz | ive read about a much better alternative to wine but i dont remember the name |
| 21:38.34 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: i can do it, will you send me 50 donuts? |
| 21:38.41 | itchi | Are there other way to encrypt all the network traffic? To secure a NIS server and clients |
| 21:38.50 | Dave_is_sexy | vchrizz: crossover office. it's £20 |
| 21:39.07 | Dave_is_sexy | tarzeau: no |
| 21:39.10 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: 40 donuts? |
| 21:39.17 | Dave_is_sexy | no donuts |
| 21:39.19 | vchrizz | Dave_is_sexy: nope, it was open source and didnt cost a buck |
| 21:39.26 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: go make it yourself! |
| 21:39.30 | Dave_is_sexy | lol |
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| 21:40.13 | torrr | someone knwos to compile linux drivers? |
| 21:40.22 | Dave_is_sexy | vchrizz: oh. erm... surely that would be more famous... aside from all the die hards trying to hide it because of some oath they took in 1991 |
| 21:40.26 | tarzeau | torrr: yes |
| 21:40.34 | vchrizz | _d84156c5635688c, _09f911029d74e35: your mac addresses? ;) |
| 21:40.39 | pickcoder | itchi: you can buy 3com cards that ecrypt and decrypt packets via hardware |
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| 21:41.23 | itchi | pickcoder: Is there not software? Or maybe, if i could get that ipsec thingy working ... :-) |
| 21:41.37 | Dave_is_sexy | freeking window just always closes itself |
| 21:41.39 | pickcoder | itchi: the hardware solution is mostly transparent |
| 21:41.40 | itchi | pickcoder: That ipsec is kinda hard to setup, or at least, i not understand that much about it |
| 21:41.45 | torrr | tarzeau, do you know about the 'Module.symvers is missing' ? |
| 21:41.50 | pickcoder | or you can go the hard route and setup a tunnel |
| 21:41.53 | tarzeau | torrr: no |
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| 21:42.12 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah sure, nice to know btw. But i not plan to buy new hardware for my very little (test) needs :-) |
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| 21:42.56 | itchi | pickcoder: I thinked to use a ssh tunnel, but that looks a sad way of doing |
| 21:43.12 | tarzeau | telnet 80.219.76.245 27015 |
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| 21:43.45 | vchrizz | itchi: ssh tunnel with port forwards ... imo the best and easiest way |
| 21:44.25 | pickcoder | or openvpn |
| 21:44.29 | itchi | vchrizz: How do you set that up for NIS? :-) |
| 21:44.34 | vchrizz | you can make it more secure if you setup some vpn between the two boxes, let ssh run through it for doing the port forwards and use the ports for nis |
| 21:44.47 | itchi | pickcoder: It is for at home, so no vpn |
| 21:45.04 | pickcoder | doesn't matter |
| 21:45.10 | pickcoder | two machines can be bridged |
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| 21:45.22 | tarzeau | A little dart shoots out at you! You are hit by a little dart. |
| 21:45.25 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 21:45.28 | ralf-x | okay then... now PHP pages aren't being processed by apache |
| 21:45.30 | tarzeau | The poison was deadly... |
| 21:45.30 | Dave_is_sexy | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libcdio&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all which of these is just plain libcdio? |
| 21:45.33 | vchrizz | im dont know well how nis works, but doesnt that use tcp ports too? |
| 21:45.34 | ralf-x | damn mimetype |
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| 21:46.00 | Pupeno | Is there any repos with packages for Emacs with anti-aliased for Debian Etch? I am finding a lot for Ubuntu, but none for Debian. |
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| 21:46.17 | itchi | pickcoder: Do you know a good howto that explain that? |
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| 21:46.41 | tarzeau | Pupeno: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/emacs/ |
| 21:46.45 | itchi | pickcoder: It is especially to encrypt that NIS. Cause that to insecure wihtout encryption |
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| 21:47.40 | itchi | pickcoder: I have look on google for different types of encryptions, but for NIS, i may say that it need a special setup. |
| 21:47.56 | pickcoder | itchi: are you concerned about snooping on the machine then you're outta luck |
| 21:48.13 | pickcoder | a vpn will get you nic-to-nic security |
| 21:48.13 | torrr | tarzeau, I get that error when trying to compile marvell driver |
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| 21:49.26 | tarzeau | torrr: which kernel version? |
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| 21:49.36 | tarzeau | torrr: isn't marvell in the kernel already these days? |
| 21:49.44 | torrr | tarzeau, 2.6.18 |
| 21:49.54 | itchi | pickcoder: Bah, i may try to understand that article right :-p http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/37 |
| 21:50.02 | torrr | tarzeau, yes it is in the kernel, but it gets disconnected |
| 21:50.09 | ralf-x | so what do I need to do to make Apache process PHP instead of making me download th epage? |
| 21:50.23 | itchi | pickcoder: It is just that last part i not understand. How should i need to create the keys for the hosts? |
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| 21:50.30 | torrr | tarzeau, and the version of the driver is 1.5 or 1.6, and marvell's version is 10.0.5.3 |
| 21:51.07 | streuner | read the docs about, /usr/share/doc/php(4)/README.Debian or such |
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| 21:51.48 | itchi | pickcoder: Did you read that introduction of that article? You may interested i think |
| 21:52.13 | pickcoder | itchi: what's confusing? |
| 21:52.14 | MegaIRC | ïð |
| 21:52.21 | pickcoder | how to create pre-shared keys? |
| 21:52.25 | rahul | where the fuck is stoned? |
| 21:52.40 | streuner | !seen stoned |
| 21:52.40 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian, last said: 'bye!'. |
| 21:52.43 | itchi | pickcoder: Yes, i dunno how to do that. :-s |
| 21:52.52 | itchi | pickcoder: It's not yet clear too |
| 21:52.53 | Kgof | gh |
| 21:52.55 | Xenguy | Does anyone know how to diff 2 files and output only the lines that are in both files? |
| 21:52.58 | rahul | there's a stoner metal band playing tonight |
| 21:52.58 | pickcoder | itchi: have you setup key based authentication for SSH? |
| 21:53.06 | chops | Xenguy: man diff |
| 21:53.14 | Xenguy | chops: please |
| 21:53.15 | rahul | Xenguy: er, in both in what order? |
| 21:53.19 | itchi | pickcoder: I need to enter a username and passwd |
| 21:53.22 | chops | Xenguy: ? |
| 21:53.25 | itchi | pickcoder: Yes i think |
| 21:53.29 | rahul | Xenguy: diff looks for ordering |
| 21:53.53 | rahul | Xenguy: if you install a lisp environment, it's about 5 lines of code :P |
| 21:54.04 | rahul | (of course, that won't be efficient) |
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| 21:54.10 | karsten | Xenguy: cat filea fileb | sort | uniq -c | gawk '$1 > 1 {$0=substr($0, index($0,$2)); print}' |
| 21:54.22 | ralf-x | streuner: nothing useful there |
| 21:54.54 | rahul | ok, karsten's solution is far more inefficient than mine, so I feel vindicated :P |
| 21:55.02 | streuner | well, you didn't read that hard then :-) |
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| 21:55.08 | chops | karsten: That solution is not going to work |
| 21:55.09 | Xenguy | karsten: interesting indeed - thanks. I was hoping that it could be done with just 'diff', but whatever works :-) |
| 21:55.12 | ralf-x | right. ok. |
| 21:55.19 | ralf-x | plenty in here about php4-cgi |
| 21:55.21 | karsten | Xenguy: It probably can be done with diff. |
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| 21:55.39 | karsten | chops: Why not? |
| 21:55.48 | karsten | ralf-x: What was your solution? |
| 21:55.49 | Pupeno | tarzeau: why is it called emacs.app? why isn't the date in the version (like in any other emacs snapshot package)? |
| 21:55.51 | rahul | yeah, and karsten's solution won't work if either file contains the same line repeated |
| 21:55.53 | Xenguy | chops: I've read the diff man page, but haven't found the solution. Do you know how? |
| 21:55.54 | karsten | ralf-x: NM. |
| 21:55.58 | karsten | rahul: What was your sol'n? |
| 21:56.03 | tarzeau | Pupeno: dunno |
| 21:56.14 | tarzeau | Pupeno: it's a special version of emacs |
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| 21:56.19 | rahul | (intersection lines1 lines2) heh |
| 21:56.22 | chops | karsten: It needs to output different things for a:1/2/1/2 b:(empty) and a:1/2 b:1/2, and yours is incapable of distinguishing between those two cases |
| 21:56.26 | zamaliphe | i have broblim with the sound i have an uli bild in sound card and every time i start my system i her beeb and the sound crash and i have to do alsaconf to be able to her a sound ??how can i fix that ? |
| 21:56.28 | pickcoder | itchi: click on the first link under authtentication methods |
| 21:56.34 | karsten | Xenguy: --LTYPE gives you the option of grepping for '%=' |
| 21:56.39 | pickcoder | itchi: there is a how-to for generating a public cert and keys |
| 21:56.42 | Przemcio78 | does anyone here use testing repository ? |
| 21:56.49 | rahul | actually, this is my solution to all problems: http://centurymedia.com/temp/revolvercover/REV0707coverV4.jpg |
| 21:56.50 | chops | !tell Przemcio78 about ask |
| 21:56.53 | Pupeno | tarzeau: just because it is another branch it doesn't mean that the packaging has to be 100% different. |
| 21:57.01 | madclicker | hi, how can i clear the starts on a nic card? |
| 21:57.08 | itchi | pickcoder: Yes, i made a certification for the server already |
| 21:57.11 | karsten | chops: Mine outputs common lines, in collate sequence (not necessarially the order in which they appear in the files). |
| 21:57.13 | tarzeau | Pupeno: there's nothing special about the packaging |
| 21:57.21 | Xenguy | karsten: yes! Saw that line but can't seem to find the correct syntax. Can you give an example? |
| 21:57.23 | pickcoder | itchi: so create a key for ipsec |
| 21:57.27 | karsten | chops: For comparing a text base (say a document) not particularly useful. On data, much more so. |
| 21:57.29 | ralf-x | streuner: my mods-available/php4.conf has a AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 in it |
| 21:57.34 | ralf-x | so I would think it would work fine |
| 21:57.34 | karsten | Xenguy: No. |
| 21:57.43 | pickcoder | it will be copied to the other server |
| 21:57.44 | itchi | pickcoder: How do i do that? |
| 21:57.51 | pickcoder | itchi: read the link |
| 21:57.57 | Przemcio78 | !tell Przemcio78 about ask |
| 21:57.59 | karsten | Xenguy: ... however, I *did8 find it RTFMing. Might continue to do same, or google for examples, or play with options. |
| 21:58.00 | chops | karsten: No it doesn't. Did you read my 1/2 example? |
| 21:58.05 | Xenguy | karsten: the man page is confusing on that point, unless I am missing something simple |
| 21:58.07 | itchi | pickcoder: Wait, then i have miss somethings |
| 21:58.12 | karsten | s/*did8/*did*/ |
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| 22:00.30 | karsten | Xenguy: Oddly enough, mine is missign the same bits. See ablve. This is your problem not mine. |
| 22:00.32 | Xenguy | karsten: I've googled etc. but just can't seem to come up with the incantation |
| 22:00.38 | itchi | pickcoder: The link 'covered' ? |
| 22:00.38 | pickcoder | itchi: man openssl if you want more info |
| 22:00.39 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:00.39 | Przemcio78 | i just wannted to know if using testing is safe |
| 22:00.40 | pickcoder | the -key switch creates a key |
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| 22:00.42 | itchi | pickcoder: Gona read it again |
| 22:00.42 | Guerin | stupid udev |
| 22:00.42 | rahul | Xenguy: infinite context, grep out change lines.. keep only context |
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| 22:00.43 | pickcoder | -new says to create a new entity |
| 22:00.43 | zamaliphe | how can i remove all the old alsa config and modules and install it again ?? |
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| 22:00.44 | Przemcio78 | debian's packages are soooo old :/ |
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| 22:00.45 | Guerin | it hasn't made /dev/net/tun and won't allow me to make it with MAKEDEV |
| 22:00.45 | pickcoder | all of that is covered in the openssl man page |
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| 22:00.46 | pickcoder | there are a ton of cert/key generation help pages |
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| 22:00.46 | Guerin | Przemcio78: bullshit. |
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| 22:00.47 | pickcoder | even on openssl.org |
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| 22:00.48 | rahul | Przemcio78: you are a tool. |
| 22:00.48 | Przemcio78 | one point for gentoo in this respect |
| 22:00.48 | rahul | haha, gentoo |
| 22:00.48 | pickcoder | http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/ |
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| 22:00.48 | vchrizz | !gentoo |
| 22:00.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 22:00.48 | pickcoder | keys.txt |
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| 22:00.49 | karsten | chops: Here? |
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| 22:00.50 | itchi | pickcoder: Yup, gona read the stuff, thanks |
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| 22:00.51 | peterS | Przemcio78: debian's packages are old? like for what software? we're pretty close to the cutting edge for most stuff. ...unless you use stable. |
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| 22:00.52 | Przemcio78 | i use stable |
| 22:00.52 | chops | karsten: I recognize that you have constructed a solution to _a_ problem, just not the one he asked :-) |
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| 22:00.53 | pickcoder | itchi: you will need an RSA key to use for encryption |
| 22:00.53 | Przemcio78 | i installed debian a few hours ago |
| 22:00.53 | pickcoder | DSA is only used for signing stuff |
| 22:00.54 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Przemcio78 |
| 22:00.55 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Przemcio78, you did it! |
| 22:01.16 | krazykit | shit, i want hugs and puppies |
| 22:01.21 | vchrizz | Przemcio78: you have to use testing! stable may be old for you, but as the names say it, its STABLE! |
| 22:01.22 | Przemcio78 | i wanted to install my favourite pdf viewer,i can't do it because the version of popplers is too old |
| 22:01.23 | karsten | chops: Um, that solution meets the criterion of "output only the lines in both files". |
| 22:01.25 | peterS | Przemcio78: ah, yeah, stable will lag a few months behind the 'newest' of a lot of things, because it took time to stabilize stable and updating its software while that was happening would have been counterproductive |
| 22:01.31 | chops | karsten: No |
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| 22:01.42 | karsten | chops: Oh, right, if the line repeats in filea. |
| 22:01.44 | chops | karsten: What about a:1/2/1/2, b:(empty) and a:1/2 b:1/2 |
| 22:01.45 | phliver | !congratulate krazykit |
| 22:01.46 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies krazykit, you did it! |
| 22:01.47 | chops | karsten: Correct |
| 22:01.51 | krazykit | yay |
| 22:01.52 | karsten | chops: Dig. |
| 22:01.54 | Przemcio78 | that's why i came to ask if it's safe to use testing |
| 22:02.08 | Guerin | Przemcio78: *much* safer than gentoo |
| 22:02.09 | zamaliphe | how can i remove all the old alsa config and modules and install it again ?? |
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| 22:02.16 | karsten | chops: sort -u the input files, then work.s |
| 22:02.18 | Guerin | zamaliphe: aptitude purge |
| 22:02.21 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 22:02.39 | Przemcio78 | otherwise it doesn't make sense to use stable on desktop |
| 22:02.47 | Guerin | ok kids, so what is the p[referred way to have a /dev/net/tun device with udev |
| 22:02.54 | karsten | Przemcio78: I prefer using a stable in a barn. |
| 22:03.01 | jetscreamer | --purge udev |
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| 22:03.11 | karsten | Guerin: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:03.16 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yes, this is a possiboility. |
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| 22:03.28 | Guerin | karsten: huh. Ok. |
| 22:03.35 | Przemcio78 | what do i have to do? just replace etch with testing in sources.list and apt-get update? |
| 22:03.51 | chops | Xenguy: diff -u100000 one two | egrep -v '^\-|\+' |
| 22:03.54 | jetscreamer | Przemcio78: yep basically that's it |
| 22:04.15 | Przemcio78 | be patient with me, it's my first day on debian :) |
| 22:04.21 | chops | Xenguy: For some large value of 100000 |
| 22:04.21 | Przemcio78 | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 22:04.26 | jetscreamer | apt--get update && apt-get dist-upgrade rather |
| 22:04.32 | jetscreamer | err apt-get |
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| 22:04.46 | jetscreamer | Przemcio78: replace apt-get with aptitude |
| 22:04.58 | Xenguy | chops: thanks, looks like a bit of a hack, but one that could work :-) |
| 22:04.58 | Guerin | karsten: you lie! |
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| 22:05.03 | itchi | pickcoder: I have read that first link there, but that still not clear. That's only on the server side. But what about the clients? |
| 22:05.05 | jetscreamer | aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade rather |
| 22:05.22 | chops | Xenguy: Actually, "diff -u100000 one two | egrep -v '(^\-)|(^\+)|(^\@)'" is a bit better |
| 22:05.31 | Xenguy | chops: wish I knew what the hell LTYPE and =% were all about (seen in the diff man page) |
| 22:05.31 | robin_sz | oh foo. my hylafax HSF modem is wedged |
| 22:05.37 | Xenguy | chops: OK |
| 22:05.42 | robin_sz | should I try greasing itwith butter? |
| 22:05.42 | Xenguy | chops: tx again |
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| 22:06.15 | chops | Xenguy: np |
| 22:06.28 | karsten | Guerin: Only with the best. |
| 22:06.36 | karsten | Xenguy: man locals |
| 22:06.40 | karsten | Xenguy: locales. |
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| 22:07.04 | Przemcio78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.14 | karsten | Xenguy: erm, well, it's got to do with locales, that's not the manpage you want though. |
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| 22:07.33 | karsten | Przemcio78: btw, people aren't as hard as some debian say. |
| 22:07.34 | jetscreamer | robin_sz: no, use oil with 0 transfats |
| 22:07.46 | karsten | Przemcio78: Guerin excepted. |
| 22:07.50 | karsten | !be a Guerin barbie |
| 22:07.50 | dpkg | Aww, Guerin is HARD! Let's go shopping, karsten |
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| 22:07.57 | karsten | See? |
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| 22:08.11 | Xenguy | karsten: I see, OK. |
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| 22:08.51 | Guerin | udev is hard |
| 22:09.01 | peterS | karsten: what did mae west say ... a hard man is good to find? |
| 22:09.13 | Xenguy | I was going to ask also, is there anyway to find out if and when 'drupal' in Sid will trickle down to Test? |
| 22:09.27 | Guerin | i don't even WANT to set up openvpon, just that my mate is finding that retarded Aussie ISPs filter common ports, so he can't access pop/smtp from the road |
| 22:09.40 | Xenguy | peterS: is that a banana in your pocket ;-) |
| 22:09.44 | Guerin | peterS: mae west was awesome |
| 22:10.20 | karsten | peterS: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mae_west.html |
| 22:10.33 | peterS | I still find it funny that the major peering points of the early Internet were named after her |
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| 22:11.02 | JW | Can anyone help me configure some special routing on Etch: I need traffic passing through eth1 ("LAN"), destined for the external network to go through a second gateway (not the default gteway) |
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| 22:12.07 | karsten | peterS: "I used to be Snow White, but I drifted". |
| 22:12.35 | dkr | JW: lartc.org has stuff like that (for making transparent proxies) likely you'll need to us ip to make extra ruoting tables and use iptables to fwmark the packets you want to send to the different routing table |
| 22:12.46 | Guerin | and the answer is ... mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 |
| 22:12.57 | Guerin | thanks google |
| 22:12.58 | Guerin | no thanks udev |
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| 22:14.14 | zamaliphe | how can fix this error ?? ali1535_smbus 0000:00:1e.1: ALI1535 not detected, module not inserted. ?? |
| 22:14.23 | jetscreamer | you don't |
| 22:14.24 | vchrizz | Guerin: what about using ssh with port forwarding on some non-filtered port instead of openvpn? |
| 22:14.30 | jetscreamer | zamaliphe: ignore it |
| 22:14.34 | jetscreamer | or blacklist it |
| 22:14.37 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 22:14.44 | jetscreamer | if it bugs you, blacklist it |
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| 22:15.33 | zamaliphe | jetscreamer: i have some broblime with my sound card any advise ?? |
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| 22:15.59 | jetscreamer | zamaliphe: the ali1535 s not your soundcard/chip is it |
| 22:16.04 | jetscreamer | or is it |
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| 22:16.17 | DrMitch | i edited an initscript and now i want the old one back. how do i determine which package installed it? and how to i restore the default one? |
| 22:16.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:16.30 | valdyn | DrMitch: dpkg -S |
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| 22:16.34 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 22:16.34 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 22:16.35 | jetscreamer | zamaliphe: no it's i2c, as i thought |
| 22:16.38 | Guerin | vchrizz: it's not my call. |
| 22:16.43 | Alarm | which cd would i need for an intel dual core 2 : i386/ or ?ia64/ |
| 22:16.45 | peterS | DrMitch: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/foo to find it. then dpkg --purge packagename; aptitude install packagename |
| 22:17.02 | jetscreamer | Alarm: it would not be ia64 |
| 22:17.06 | Guerin | vchrizz: i would just use ssh on its own, but he has different workflows. |
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| 22:17.14 | peterS | DrMitch: there may be a way to tell dpkg to replace a conffile (a technical term for that type of configuration file) without purging the package first, but I don't know what it is |
| 22:17.24 | peterS | Alarm: amd64 |
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| 22:17.33 | DrMitch | thanks peterS |
| 22:17.42 | peterS | Alarm: assuming it's a 64-bit chip - I don't know, do Intel make 32-bit chips of that name? |
| 22:17.43 | Alarm | amd64 although the cpu is an intel one ? |
| 22:17.45 | Przemcio78 | do you often need to compile something on debian? or are debian's repos so rich you don't it have to do it at all? |
| 22:17.52 | peterS | Alarm: yes, Intel is in the AMD clone business nowadays |
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| 22:17.59 | itchi | peterS: Do you know how to setup NIS+ipsec, or another way to encrypt the nework traffic for NIS? |
| 22:17.59 | jetscreamer | Alarm: yes, looks wrong but that's the way it is |
| 22:18.01 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 22:18.13 | Alarm | ok, got it then. |
| 22:18.18 | itchi | Or how do you make NIS secure? |
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| 22:19.13 | jetscreamer | there is no netsplit |
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| 22:19.26 | jetscreamer | !tell MrWup -about root |
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| 22:19.28 | peterS | itchi: I don't know that you can, short of ipsec or similar. I think if I were concerned with deploying an auth scheme where I couldn't trust the network, I wouldn't use NIS, I'd use LDAP with TLS instead |
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| 22:19.28 | Alarm | and really basic question, is there an extra debian repository for 64bit packages or not at all |
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| 22:19.30 | jetscreamer | what's the difference between i= and n= in the hostmasks |
| 22:19.30 | tarzeau | Alarm: yes there is |
| 22:19.31 | peterS | Alarm: the amd64 packages are on the same repositories as the i386 packages |
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| 22:19.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: whether or not your IP address is running an ident server |
| 22:19.50 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:19.52 | itchi | peterS: Is LDAP not to big for my home network? Anyway, i gona try LDAP, but first need NIS with a secure thing working heh |
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| 22:19.57 | Alarm | i see, okie then :) |
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| 22:20.01 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: inferior and noob |
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| 22:20.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 22:20.28 | Alarm | does that mean that many packages that are in the i386 wont at all exist in the amd64 repo |
| 22:20.38 | peterS | itchi: I don't know about "too big", but ldap is the new nis anyway, it will serve you better to learn to build an ldap server for authentication, in the long run, in any case |
| 22:20.38 | tarzeau | Alarm: no |
| 22:20.42 | alien-_0 | 3how do you see permisions for a dir not a file |
| 22:20.52 | tarzeau | alien-_0: stat file |
| 22:20.54 | Alarm | okie, that was a critical one |
| 22:20.57 | alien-_0 | k |
| 22:21.11 | peterS | Alarm: if a package is _only_ provided for i386, then you can't use it on an amd64 install without a whole lot of hassle. however, most packages in Debian are provided for both i386 and amd64 |
| 22:21.18 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, i'm gona use LDAP later too, i need to set it up, so i have no choice :-) |
| 22:21.42 | Alarm | thats good to know. thank you for ur tips |
| 22:21.55 | peterS | Alarm: if you're worried about using third-party non-free software that is not provided for 64-bit architectures, such as the Adobe Flash player plugin for web browsers, you may wish to do the whole install as 32-bit (i386) |
| 22:22.10 | vchrizz | peterS: amd64 pkg have same repos as i386? hum, so if i use amd64pkgs i dont use 64bit arch? ... what about pure64 repo? |
| 22:22.11 | tarzeau | peterS: some packages are neither for i386 or amd64 |
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| 22:22.29 | fs-a | hey, how can i use consolefonts in konsole? i only see 4 or 5 now, like courier new truetype. |
| 22:22.31 | peterS | vchrizz: pure64 is just a label for an early version of what eventually became the amd64 repository in Debian |
| 22:22.38 | peterS | tarzeau: I know |
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| 22:22.57 | peterS | not much point in providing silo for either of those, is there? |
| 22:23.05 | Alarm | i got it. thats kind of dilema now heheh |
| 22:23.09 | fs-a | is there is |
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| 22:23.46 | itchi | peterS: Anyway, i know how nis works now, it's just some 2 virtual computers. I may leave that encrypted feature for later and go to LDAP now :-) Do you know a good howto btw? |
| 22:23.49 | lokkju_wrk | I have a Tyan S2510NG board (it is a RenderBOXX 5000i machine) that keeps giving me unknown NMI erros - 2d and 3d are the codes. I actually have three of these machines, and they all do the same thing. With kernel 2.6.18, the machines are usable as long as I disable SMP, but withother versions, including newer ones, I get lockups and dumps. Though I have them in a usable config right now, with 2.6.18 no SMP, they report NMI errors every minute |
| 22:23.50 | lokkju_wrk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:24.08 | peterS | itchi: not offhand. I actually have never built a production ldap server |
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| 22:24.16 | jetscreamer | not what guy knows how to ask a question |
| 22:24.22 | jetscreamer | s/not/now/ |
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| 22:26.25 | tarzeau | i've got news |
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| 22:26.47 | alien-_0 | my vsftpd uplaods files at 0600... how can i set it so it uploads at about 644??? anyone know |
| 22:26.48 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: You've Googled this? |
| 22:26.50 | Dave_is_sexy | what's that "tar kjldfk gz extract / go" thiing? |
| 22:26.57 | n3kl | Hi. What is the best network file system for linux? |
| 22:26.58 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, extensively |
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| 22:33.30 | jetscreamer | Guerin, stop that! i know you did it! |
| 22:33.30 | tarzeau | itchi: alien-_0 you can ignore joins/parts |
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| 22:33.30 | jnguy | what the hell is goign on today? |
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| 22:33.30 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah, sure :-) |
| 22:33.30 | lokkju_wrk | grr |
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| 22:33.30 | lokkju_wrk | karsten_, so, yes, I did google it |
| 22:33.31 | tarzeau | jnguy: people that can't control their irc client |
| 22:33.31 | itchi | jnguy: Bananasplit :-) |
| 22:33.31 | tarzeau | itchi: i love that, w/ extra chocolate |
| 22:33.31 | scott_ | tarzeau: if you ignore joins/parts don't you get confused when people of interest leave? |
| 22:33.39 | itchi | tarzeau: :-p |
| 22:33.39 | tarzeau | scott_: no |
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| 22:33.41 | scott_ | tarzeau: people ask questions and leave, it would be a pain to not see that and answer their questions |
| 22:33.42 | tarzeau | scott_: telepathy? |
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| 22:33.49 | grim76 | alien-_0: are you looking to chmod the uploads for anonymous users or local users? |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | local |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | local users for sure |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | i login with password |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | i have non anon suers |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | i dont let anon users access my shell |
| 22:33.49 | alien-_0 | or ftp |
| 22:33.50 | grim76 | alien-_0: http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
| 22:33.50 | grim76 | alien-_0: look for local_umask |
| 22:33.50 | karsten | !tell alien-_0 about enter |
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| 22:33.51 | alien-_0 | well |
| 22:33.51 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, so, any ideas then? |
| 22:33.52 | alien-_0 | ive already messed with that |
| 22:33.52 | alien-_0 | grim76: once i set my local_umask to 133 |
| 22:33.53 | alien-_0 | grim76: my vsftpd wont start |
| 22:33.53 | karsten | alien-_0: Enter is *NOT* punctation. |
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| 22:33.54 | alien-_0 | i udnerstand.. ill fix it! |
| 22:33.54 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: Not really. |
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| 22:33.54 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, ok... grr... |
| 22:33.54 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: if you're lucky it's a config issue. If you're not, it's an HW issue. You've got to sort which. |
| 22:33.55 | grim76 | alien-_0: when you comment out the line for local umask was vsftpd able to start? |
| 22:33.55 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, well, I know for a fact NT4 SP6 runs perfectly on all three... RH6.2 is also supposed to work perfectly... RH9, otoh, does not - same NMI issue |
| 22:33.55 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: NT4??!! |
| 22:33.55 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, that is what came on em :) |
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| 22:34.16 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, these were original meant for clustered graphic redering - RenderBOXXes |
| 22:34.21 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: I don't know whether the 'noapic' or 'nolapic' boot flags are valid on SMP kernels, but try them |
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| 22:35.10 | karsten | lokkju_wrk: What peterS said. Some newish HW *doesn't* want acpi / apic, some really new stuff *must* have it. |
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| 22:35.49 | alien-_0 | grim76: no |
| 22:35.56 | alien-_0 | grim76: not even enableing chmod_enable |
| 22:35.59 | Dave_is_sexy | dooglas: http://pastebin.ca/471481 |
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| 22:36.06 | lokkju_wrk | petemc, already running acpi=off |
| 22:36.24 | n3kl | Why would I want kerberos over freeradius? |
| 22:36.24 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, should I also try noapic? |
| 22:36.25 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: I didn't say acpi |
| 22:36.27 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok start commenting out your changes until you find the one that is causing the problem. |
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| 22:36.32 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: yes, try noapic |
| 22:36.44 | lokkju_wrk | karsten, this is old HW - 866Mhz dual proc board |
| 22:36.45 | peterS | I know the two are confusing because they use the same letters and both have something to do with interrupt routing (: |
| 22:36.52 | karsten | peterS: No, I did, and I can't keep 'em straight. |
| 22:36.57 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, k |
| 22:37.01 | alien-_0 | grim76: ..if i coment out local_umask and set it to 133.. vsftpd wont start.. if i add chmod_enable in vsftpd .. vsftpd wont start |
| 22:37.01 | peterS | karsten: ahh (: |
| 22:37.26 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok copy your config to pastebin so I can look at it. |
| 22:37.29 | alien-_0 | k |
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| 22:38.12 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, also, running non-smp kernel right now, smp dies hard |
| 22:38.39 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: right, noapic is just a guess on my part, I don't _know_ that it will affect your problem, but it seems possible |
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| 22:39.45 | alien-_0 | grim76: http://71.32.252.229/~alien/vsftpd.conf |
| 22:39.47 | chemist | I am running kde with gkrellm monitors. the time in the kde taskbar is correct, the time displayed in gkrellm and my irssi logs is an hour behind, where do i fix this? |
| 22:40.10 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, trying it now |
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| 22:40.28 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok let me look at this for a second and get back with you. |
| 22:40.33 | alien-_0 | ok |
| 22:40.36 | alien-_0 | ill be away for a min too |
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| 22:41.32 | sebas891 | hey folks, any idea why the etch d-i does not install correctly grub? |
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| 22:42.27 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok first of all take out those three lines at the top of your config save it and try /etc/init.d/vsftpd start |
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| 22:42.38 | toad_ | how do i pass -j5 into a debian/rules build ? |
| 22:42.55 | toad_ | i just did debian/rules build -j5 but i don't think it's working |
| 22:43.27 | valdyn | toad_: MAKEFLAGS="j5" blah |
| 22:43.34 | valdyn | toad_: MAKEFLAGS="-j5" blah |
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| 22:43.46 | Guerin | or set CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 22:43.49 | toad_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 22:43.55 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, nope, still getting the messages |
| 22:43.58 | cheeseboy | hi im looking for debian testing dvd torrent |
| 22:44.09 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: and 'nolapic' as well? try that, if you haven't already |
| 22:44.10 | cheeseboy | links on site atre broken |
| 22:44.11 | Guerin | or is C_L only for make-kpkg, hmm? |
| 22:44.17 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, did |
| 22:44.22 | valdyn | cheeseboy: etch just released a short while ago, go with that? |
| 22:44.23 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: dunno then |
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| 22:44.39 | cheeseboy | etch stable? |
| 22:44.44 | cafuego | etch is stable, yes |
| 22:44.46 | valdyn | cheeseboy: yes |
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| 22:44.53 | toad_ | i still see only one cc1plus |
| 22:45.01 | cafuego | etsting cvhanges so often now, a torrent will be out of date when it finishes downloading. |
| 22:45.24 | cheeseboy | hows it install? |
| 22:45.27 | toad_ | either way |
| 22:45.33 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok |
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| 22:45.48 | cafuego | cheeseboy: via ncurses or X. |
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| 22:46.26 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok i took those lines and started vsftpd |
| 22:46.27 | Pupeno | tarzeau: that package to which you pointed me is Emacs 'for' OS X/GNUstep, that's why the ".app" and the version number totally out of the normal Emacs. |
| 22:46.41 | chemist | I am running kde with gkrellm monitors. the time in the kde taskbar is correct, the time displayed in gkrellm and my irssi logs is an hour behind, where do i fix this? |
| 22:46.51 | cheeseboy | it takes 3 dvds.. ? |
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| 22:47.19 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok so the vsftpd service started? |
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| 22:47.23 | valdyn | cheeseboy: you only need the first dvd |
| 22:47.34 | alien-_0 | grim76: yes sir |
| 22:47.38 | grim76 | ok |
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| 22:47.52 | lokkju_wrk | hmm, odd... SMP is only finding one processor, though there are two |
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| 22:47.56 | alien-_0 | grim76: but it will still upload ast 0600 |
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| 22:48.33 | valdyn | cheeseboy: debian is huge. Doesnt mean anyone needs it all, packages are spread on the dvds by popularity |
| 22:48.46 | alien-_0 | cheeseboy |
| 22:48.50 | alien-_0 | get the netinstall cd |
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| 22:48.57 | alien-_0 | thats all you need to start debian |
| 22:49.03 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: where did you look that up? |
| 22:49.13 | cheeseboy | nah i have wireless |
| 22:49.19 | alien-_0 | it takes 10+ dvds if u wanted the entire debian collection on ur cds |
| 22:49.20 | cheeseboy | makes it a pain |
| 22:49.20 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, uname -a shows SMP, but there are two physical chips |
| 22:49.25 | valdyn | cheeseboy: that is fine |
| 22:49.33 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: so? |
| 22:49.38 | xq | i had wireless to on two boxes, used net install |
| 22:49.45 | alien-_0 | wireles.? ur connection stil doesnt drop that much if u are connected to dsl or comcast |
| 22:49.50 | lokkju_wrk | valdyn, the dmesg says it only detected one |
| 22:49.50 | alien-_0 | grim76: what do you think? |
| 22:49.51 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: where are you seeing that only 1 cpu is found? |
| 22:49.51 | donaldo | where can i go to read information on the latest kernels available in the debian repository? |
| 22:49.59 | tarzeau | Pupeno: it has what you asked for, aa |
| 22:50.00 | cafuego | lokkju_wrk: Does the BIOS detect and report both at bootup? |
| 22:50.06 | valdyn | lokkju_wrk: try 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 22:50.07 | alien-_0 | donaldo: debian.com |
| 22:50.13 | jetscreamer | if you want a dvd, get dvd#1 |
| 22:50.22 | lokkju_wrk | cafuego, can't check right now - it is in a colo, and I am out of town |
| 22:50.22 | toad_ | i suppose it's possible that there's only one file left to compile... |
| 22:50.36 | cafuego | lokkju_wrk: ah, yes, tricky |
| 22:50.39 | toad_ | i still see only 1 cc1plus with make -j 5 -f debian/rules build |
| 22:50.54 | donaldo | alien-_0: /where/ at debian.org? |
| 22:51.16 | alien-_0 | donaldo: im nto sure at all,, but i am sure that they should have it |
| 22:51.17 | cafuego | toad_: That's not surprising, debian/rules is a bash script, not a Makefile, and as such doesn't do `make' runtax. |
| 22:51.37 | cafuego | toad_: Edit debian/rules and add '-j5' to the $(MAKE) call. |
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| 22:51.53 | cafuego | then run ./debian/rules binary |
| 22:51.54 | grim76 | alien-_0: Now you should see further down in the config file a line already there for the local_umask use that line to make your changes rather than inserting one earlier in the config. |
| 22:52.14 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok now set it to 133 |
| 22:52.47 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok now do /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop |
| 22:52.51 | valdyn | cafuego: its a bash script? |
| 22:52.55 | donaldo | :\ |
| 22:52.56 | toad_ | also it is a makefile: |
| 22:52.57 | toad_ | #! /usr/bin/make -f |
| 22:53.00 | cafuego | valdyn: debian/rules is a bash script |
| 22:53.05 | grim76 | alien-_0: then follow that up with /etc/init.d/vsftpd start |
| 22:53.07 | cafuego | Oh yeall? |
| 22:53.23 | toad_ | its a shell script executed by make, according to the first line |
| 22:53.32 | cafuego | toad_: Hmm.. then it's not inheriting -j |
| 22:53.37 | valdyn | cafuego: looks like a makefile to me |
| 22:53.45 | cafuego | toad_: Either way, add -j5 in the script to the make call. |
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| 22:53.50 | toad_ | yeah, not through MAKEFLAGS... |
| 22:53.50 | alien-_0 | grim ok i try |
| 22:53.57 | toad_ | cafuego: on the first line? |
| 22:54.00 | toad_ | ok i'll try that |
| 22:54.01 | valdyn | cafuego: ( though i dont know if thats coincidence or debian policy |
| 22:54.01 | cafuego | toad_: No |
| 22:54.03 | alien-_0 | grim76: but can i set umask to 133 |
| 22:54.14 | toad_ | cafuego: then where? |
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| 22:54.42 | cafuego | toad_: the rules file fill be calling `make' ot $(make) in one of the build rules. |
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| 22:54.45 | cafuego | Add it there |
| 22:54.50 | valdyn | MAKEFLAGS should still work.. |
| 22:55.20 | toad_ | not for me :| |
| 22:55.40 | valdyn | toad_: no idea what you are compiling, but make cant parallelise everything |
| 22:55.51 | toad_ | kdepim |
| 22:55.56 | grim76 | alien-_0: You can try it that way and see if the service starts. |
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| 22:56.12 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok |
| 22:56.15 | cafuego | certainly not the top level call in rules;it'd end up building the .deb ebfore it finishes compiling the sourc. |
| 22:56.56 | klochel | Hello, all. I have a laptop that I'm trying to switch from DHCP to static IP. I changed /etc/network/interfaces, killed dhclient, and then ran /etc/init.d/networking restart. But every time I do, ifup launches a new dhclient. There's no "dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces. Any idea what gives? |
| 22:57.02 | alien-_0 | mm |
| 22:57.06 | klochel | I've had this happen before and rebooting the machine at one point fixed the problem, but this is obviously not the sort of solution I want. |
| 22:57.14 | alien-_0 | grim76: it started now that i had local_umask at the bottom i also put umask to 133 |
| 22:57.19 | alien-_0 | grim76: let me go try to uplaod to it |
| 22:57.26 | valdyn | klochel: show us the config file |
| 22:57.28 | valdyn | !paste |
| 22:57.28 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 22:57.41 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, just a fyi, 2.6.20-3 SMP with noapic, nolapic, and acpi=off lasted less the three minutes :) |
| 22:57.49 | valdyn | klochel: /etc/init.d/networking restart isnt required. |
| 22:57.55 | grim76 | alien-_0: ok did you add the line or use the one already in place....you can comment and uncomment lines that are already in the config for cleanliness sake. That however is a personal preference for me. |
| 22:58.27 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: lovely. you might ask Mr Google whether he has seen this problem before. |
| 22:58.46 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, I have, over and over again, and no luck |
| 22:58.49 | klochel | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/27192 |
| 22:58.54 | alien-_0 | grim76: well i used the one thats already there.. but why wouldnt it work when i put it at top of my conf ??? |
| 22:59.06 | cafuego | lokkju_wrk: I've seen problems with SMP when using certain devices, but that was in the 2.2. ekrnel days. |
| 22:59.08 | peterS | lokkju_wrk: another possibility - bring it up in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:59.09 | toad_ | hmmm it's possible that there is only that file to compile.... it's a long list of includes of other .cpp's, so the compiler can use 1GB of RAM to do lots of expensive (but nice) interprocedural optimisations |
| 22:59.22 | valdyn | klochel: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 should do it. |
| 22:59.25 | toad_ | whole of libkmail in one file |
| 22:59.32 | alien-_0 | grim76: i set umask to 133 and now it uplaods 462.. im doing something wrong |
| 22:59.36 | lokkju_wrk | peterS, k, will do, though I don't consider myself a newbie :) |
| 22:59.44 | alien-_0 | grim76: wh is it uplaoding 462 now with umask 133 |
| 22:59.47 | alien-_0 | grim76: confused haha |
| 22:59.50 | lokkju_wrk | cafuego, this happens with SMP diasabled, as well, btw |
| 23:00.04 | cafuego | lokkju_wrk: I'd say your cooling is busted |
| 23:00.10 | cafuego | or you have bad ram |
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| 23:00.26 | dockane_ | after a few month uptime i had to reboot my x86-32bit lanserver running sarge. since then the nic did not work any more (3com ehterlink). there are a few lines in syslog which say i.e. "capabilty: Unknown symbol cap_ptrace" or "cap_inode_setxattr". additionally /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel only contains a directory called fs. isnt that the place for the net kernel modules? |
| 23:00.34 | itrebal | lokkju_wrk: how does it die? |
| 23:00.39 | klochel | valdyn: almost immediately after running that, dhclient came back to life |
| 23:00.40 | lokkju_wrk | cafuego, the CPUs are fine - the RAM is fine - everything works perfect under both NT4 SP6, and under RH6.2, and Memcheck86+ reports no problems |
| 23:00.43 | alien-_0 | grim76: r--rw--w- |
| 23:00.50 | toad_ | /home/toad/kdepim-3.5.6.dfsg.1/./kmail/cachedimapjob.cpp:164: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 23:00.51 | toad_ | :| |
| 23:00.59 | toad_ | so do i report this to debian or to gcc? |
| 23:01.03 | grim76 | alien-_0: lemme check on the umask option to see what you are going to need. What permissions are you looking to set on the files that are uploaded? |
| 23:01.08 | lokkju_wrk | itrebal, silently - everything just locks up |
| 23:01.10 | klochel | valdyn: I'd expect that the ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 would work too, but no love. I've had this problem before as well with Debian... not sure what I'm doing wrong. |
| 23:01.11 | valdyn | klochel: dhclient for which interface? |
| 23:01.24 | klochel | valdyn: eth0 |
| 23:01.34 | itrebal | lokkju_wrk: I'd say your cooling is fine, but your ram is weird, I'd suggest you get a memtest running for a while |
| 23:01.45 | valdyn | klochel: there must be something else doing this |
| 23:01.47 | alien-_0 | grim76: well 644.. just so everyone can at least read.. or i wanna enable it at 644 once uploaded and let users set their own PERMS when they upload files to their public_html |
| 23:01.49 | klochel | valdyn: ps reports /sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -q -e dhc_dbus=31 -d eth0 |
| 23:01.52 | valdyn | klochel: is that a clean debian system? |
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| 23:02.02 | lokkju_wrk | itrebal, I ran memcheck86+ for 72 hours straight |
| 23:02.17 | itrebal | lokkju_wrk: no errors? |
| 23:02.18 | valdyn | klochel: i dont think this has a thing to do with ifup or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:02.18 | cafuego | !seen Penix |
| 23:02.19 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 44d 13h 19m 16s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
| 23:02.24 | klochel | valdyn: Installed two weeks ago from stable Etch and then updated to Lenny. Had some weirdness with a crappy driver leaking memory the other day so I just ran chkrootkit and rkhunter. |
| 23:02.27 | lokkju_wrk | itrebal, correct, no errors |
| 23:02.28 | cafuego | plah |
| 23:02.55 | lokkju_wrk | itrebal, and it isn't just me - I know other people with renderboxx systems, with S2510NG boards in them, and they all have the same issues |
| 23:02.56 | klochel | valdyn: Not sure with what it has to do directly. I can tell you for sure, though, that running ifup eth0 to re-enable the network caused a new dhclient instance. There was a brief pause, though. |
| 23:03.02 | klochel | valdyn: One sec; lemme look around. |
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| 23:03.18 | itrebal | lokkju_wrk: ah, I came in during the middle, I don't know :) |
| 23:03.22 | itrebal | sorry |
| 23:03.29 | lokkju_wrk | itrebal, no problem |
| 23:03.30 | klochel | valdyn: Any idea what 'dhcdbd' is? |
| 23:03.33 | grim76 | alien-_0: I think you are looking for 022. |
| 23:03.35 | itrebal | much luck |
| 23:03.37 | valdyn | klochel: there's automagic network setup tools that might not integrate nicely with ifup / ifdown |
| 23:03.45 | valdyn | klochel: right, that's your issue |
| 23:03.54 | valdyn | klochel: this if from 'network-manager' |
| 23:04.20 | valdyn | klochel: now, its a bug that network-manager does this, which i thought was fixed already |
| 23:04.31 | klochel | valdyn: Hmm... I see. We tried to use Control Center under KDE to change the network settings first before resorting to the console (as I wanted to see if this problem was fixed). |
| 23:04.33 | valdyn | klochel: you can only use network-manager OR /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:04.52 | klochel | valdyn: So that makes sense. I'll go kill that parent program and try bringing the network card back up. |
| 23:05.09 | klochel | valdyn: Is it just me or does the either-or-ness of the tool make it a lot less useful? :-P |
| 23:05.11 | alien-_0 | grim76: would u explain to me how that works please |
| 23:05.13 | valdyn | klochel: remove that package or use only that package, not /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:05.26 | alien-_0 | grim76: like i just read that 002 gives u 0755 .. but how? |
| 23:05.44 | grim76 | alien-_0: read this link I think it explains it rather well http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/submitted/umask_permissions.html |
| 23:05.58 | alien-_0 | ok |
| 23:06.17 | alien-_0 | grim76: one more thing, why woudlnt ftp start when i added my own local_umask at the top of .conf?? |
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| 23:06.49 | scott_ | anyone know what you can do if ldconfig -v shows libz but ldd programname says libz isn't found? |
| 23:07.12 | grim76 | alien-_0: That I am not sure of I always prefer to use what is in the config file, and if it is not there add my items to the end with comments unless they are not meant to be at the end. |
| 23:07.20 | valdyn | klochel: i suppose you have to restart network-manager to respect it your new /etc/network/interfaces. Unless that bug isnt fixed in lenny yet, then you defenitely have to remove it |
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| 23:07.59 | cafuego | scott_: the -dev packag. |
| 23:09.20 | scott_ | cafuego: how would hte -dev package help? (I installed zlib1g-dev and it doesn't) |
| 23:09.57 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok |
| 23:10.04 | valdyn | scott_: show the precise output of both ( only the lines concerning libz ) |
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| 23:10.24 | alien-_0 | grim76: becuase the chmod_enable i put at the top vsftpd wouldnt start.. .like i want my users to be able to change permisiosn for their filest hey upload that would be the option 'chmod_enable' rite? |
| 23:11.29 | scott_ | % sudo ldconfig -v G libz /var/vm/vmware-server-distrib/lib/bin |
| 23:11.32 | scott_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.34 | scott_ | % sudo ldd vmware G libz /var/vm/vmware-server-distrib/lib/bin |
| 23:11.37 | scott_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:11.44 | scott_ | sorry, the /var thing is the PWD |
| 23:12.08 | chemist | how can i make the system use local time if i am using ntp? |
| 23:13.05 | grim76 | alien-_0: chmod_enable=yes would be the option to set. |
| 23:13.05 | alien-_0 | grim76: oh ok |
| 23:13.14 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok that worked.. let me go check it realy quick |
| 23:13.19 | valdyn | scott_: are you on amd64? |
| 23:13.27 | scott_ | valdyn: yep |
| 23:13.46 | valdyn | scott_: so hows the 64 bit libz supposed to be a 32 bit libz? |
| 23:13.51 | grim76 | alien-_0: you might want to look into something else to make your life easier. Look into using ACLs. They can make automated permissions easier at times. |
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| 23:14.32 | scott_ | valdyn: magic? :) |
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| 23:14.39 | valdyn | scott_: iows, you have a libz, but its not usable by 32bit binaries |
| 23:14.49 | scott_ | valdyn: so do I need to get a 32bit libz? |
| 23:15.00 | valdyn | scott_: right, that's in debian too |
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| 23:15.24 | scott_ | valdyn: how do I tell it to install the 32bit one? |
| 23:15.42 | cafuego | Oh sorry, ldd, not confgiure - duh. |
| 23:15.49 | valdyn | scott_: mm, maybe its not, hold on |
| 23:15.52 | alien-_0 | grim76: ok |
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| 23:16.06 | cafuego | ia32-libs? |
| 23:16.09 | bruno_ | hello.. i'm using debian etch and i couldn't find a php-gtk package in aptitude. is there a tutorial about how to install php-gtk n debian 4? |
| 23:16.13 | alien-_0 | grim76: also that chmod_enable worked just fine.. but still having hard time understanding the umask :( .. also what is the standard uplading permision ?? |
| 23:16.22 | alien-_0 | grim76: what should i set the umask to be default? |
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| 23:16.38 | abrotman | bruno_: probably the docs on their website i guess |
| 23:16.48 | alien-_0 | grim76 rw-rw-rw- |
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| 23:17.07 | bruno_ | i tried.. nothing specific was found i'm afraid to mess with my current lamp setup.. but i will try compiling it. =( |
| 23:17.24 | valdyn | scott_: apt-get install lib32z1 |
| 23:17.41 | abrotman | bruno_: you could check apt-get.org for a package |
| 23:18.23 | scott_ | valdyn: thanks |
| 23:18.37 | bruno_ | abrotman: i iwll try it now.. thanks! |
| 23:19.53 | donaldo | do i need to call pvcreate if i already configured some parittions for lvm-use in the partitioner provided by the debian installer? |
| 23:19.56 | alien-_0 | grim76: thanks for all you help |
| 23:21.13 | grim76 | alien-_0: no problem...setting umasks is something I am not all that familiar with that link describes it very well. I don't set a umask via vsftpd. I use acls to change permissions on files that are uploaded. |
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| 23:21.38 | metus | somebody knows of some repositorio where vnu comes |
| 23:21.49 | alien-_0 | grim76: i see.. the thing is that my users will be stupid...they would want to only use ftp .. like client cuteftp on windows =) |
| 23:22.09 | alien-_0 | grim76: so its a must for me to understand this.. if server go down or something happen ..but ill find out about umask.. just not sure what the default is to be set |
| 23:22.24 | alien-_0 | grim76: do u know the default permision it should sit at ? when things are uplaoded? is it 644? |
| 23:22.55 | grim76 | alien-_0: I am not sure. I think that also depends on the permissions that are on the location that the file is uploaded to. |
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| 23:23.06 | alien-_0 | public_html |
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| 23:23.15 | alien-_0 | like a simple website |
| 23:23.23 | alien-_0 | just so ppl can read pretty much |
| 23:23.27 | alien-_0 | maybe 666 |
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| 23:23.54 | valdyn | donaldo: run pvdisplay go see what you have.. |
| 23:23.57 | toad_ | debian/rules binary with -j5 seems to break |
| 23:24.12 | donaldo | thanks valdyn |
| 23:24.16 | stew | 666 and 777 are modes that are pretty much never the right thing |
| 23:24.18 | toad_ | on kdepim |
| 23:24.24 | alien-_0 | stew: ok |
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| 23:24.49 | toad_ | build works fine though |
| 23:24.52 | grim76 | alien-_0: please do not use the enter key as a means of punctuation. I would mess with the umask until you get what you want. That way you will remember what some of the choices were. |
| 23:25.15 | alien-_0 | grim76: alrite i guess ill go do that |
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| 23:25.43 | grim76 | alien-_0: Sometimes you just have to mess with things to see how they work. |
| 23:25.48 | noukta | Helppppppppppppppppp :( |
| 23:26.04 | noukta | i've just installed Debian 4 in my Laptop |
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| 23:26.26 | noukta | when i tro to load the x using "startx" i egt blank screen |
| 23:26.30 | noukta | any help ? |
| 23:26.44 | abrotman | look in the logs |
| 23:27.03 | noukta | where |
| 23:27.07 | valdyn | noukta: plug in a monitor into your vga connector and tell what you see, if you can do that easily |
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| 23:27.44 | noukta | i can't connect to teh internet |
| 23:27.44 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know which package i need to get the glXCreateWindow function ?? |
| 23:27.57 | noukta | i am using w$ |
| 23:27.57 | noukta | :'( |
| 23:27.57 | rocketmagnet | i need the x11 opengl functions |
| 23:28.22 | alien-_0 | Grim76_Away: alrite well umask of 022 sets file perm when uplaoded 0644 |
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| 23:28.28 | alien-_0 | Grim76_Away: ok ur away nvmd =) |
| 23:28.42 | toad_ | cp: cannot stat `/home/toad/kdepim-3.5.6.dfsg.1/debian/tmp////usr/include/kde/kpilot': No such file or directory |
| 23:28.43 | toad_ | dh_install: command returned error code 256 |
| 23:28.46 | toad_ | grrrrr |
| 23:28.49 | toad_ | what did i do wrong? |
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| 23:28.55 | valdyn | toad_: -j5 ( or even -j2 ) breaks building bash too |
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| 23:29.07 | sebas891 | anyone is aware of issues with d-i and with the raid installation of etch, grub is not installing right... |
| 23:29.08 | valdyn | toad_: so whatever this is, it seems to be a common bug |
| 23:29.24 | toad_ | valdyn: just on binary, not on build, right? |
| 23:30.25 | valdyn | toad_: is that partition you are building on mounted with noatime ? |
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| 23:30.32 | donaldo | anyone have any idea how much storage overhead i should expect to see from lvm? |
| 23:30.35 | valdyn | toad_: never tried build, only binary |
| 23:30.40 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: do you know which package i need to get the glXCreateWindow function ? (man glXCreateWindow shows me nothing=( |
| 23:30.46 | toad_ | no, just the defaults |
| 23:30.52 | toad_ | cp: cannot stat `/home/toad/kdepim-3.5.6.dfsg.1/debian/tmp////usr/include/kde/kpilot': No such file or directory] |
| 23:30.56 | toad_ | then the two error messages above |
| 23:31.09 | valdyn | toad_: similar here |
| 23:31.23 | toad_ | but with no -j |
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| 23:31.26 | valdyn | !wayttd rocketmagnet |
| 23:31.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rocketmagnet? |
| 23:31.30 | toad_ | i'm not trying to build parallel here |
| 23:31.33 | donaldo | i would expect it to be completely negligible |
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| 23:31.58 | valdyn | toad_: uh, use dpkg-buildpackage instead, or debian/rules clean first |
| 23:32.05 | toad_ | i've built it (debian/rules build), i'm trying to finish the build (debian/rules binary) |
| 23:32.07 | Dave_is_sex1 | I do not have permission to open text files and root does not have permission to run scripts. i didn't do anything. |
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| 23:32.32 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: Sure. |
| 23:32.39 | valdyn | toad_: you dont need to use build, just binary does it all |
| 23:32.41 | toad_ | valdyn: so if i make another small change to the source, it takes another hour to recompile it? |
| 23:32.50 | toad_ | valdyn: yes but build appeared to work with -j |
| 23:32.51 | valdyn | toad_: oh, mm |
| 23:33.05 | toad_ | well apart from running into a nondeterministic compiler crashing bug :) |
| 23:33.20 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: Which text file can you not open (full path please) and what are its permissions (ls -l file). What scripts can root not execute (again, full path) and what are its permissions? |
| 23:33.26 | Dave_is_sex1 | well what am i supposed to do now? i'd love one of those "this limited account protects you" folk to try and defend this one. |
| 23:33.27 | valdyn | Dave_is_sex1: your misinterpreting something, show the errors |
| 23:33.34 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: i try to code some x11 specific opengl c code, so i need glXCreateWindow function, but i don't know how to search for a binary in the package manager |
| 23:33.47 | Dave_is_sex1 | phogg: any text based files on any media |
| 23:33.59 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: provide a specific example. |
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| 23:34.09 | toad_ | probably the best thing is to give up on building a package |
| 23:34.11 | Dave_is_sex1 | valdyn: can't in wondows now. |
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| 23:34.21 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: you are saying you don't have permission to open any text file no matter what the permissions? |
| 23:34.24 | toad_ | and just configure --prefix=/usr; make |
| 23:34.30 | toad_ | and then reinstall the original package when i'm done |
| 23:34.31 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dev |
| 23:34.34 | Dave_is_sex1 | phogg: anything! a file i made to note additions i will make to the start menu |
| 23:34.42 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: that is correct |
| 23:34.45 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: amorphous complaints are generally unsolvable. Specific problems can usually be solved |
| 23:34.46 | Dave_is_sex1 | w... t.... f |
| 23:34.57 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: then you have to start over completely |
| 23:35.04 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: you won't even be able to login |
| 23:35.09 | Dave_is_sex1 | and how did this happen? |
| 23:35.11 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: or boot the system at all |
| 23:35.12 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: also if i use the nvidia drivers ? |
| 23:35.17 | Dave_is_sex1 | i can login. i cannot read any text based file |
| 23:35.20 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: even if it is "any file" for you, I cannot fix "any file." I can only fix a specific file you can tell me about. |
| 23:35.30 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: well without being able to read any file. then it would not be possible to tell how this happened |
| 23:35.35 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: shut up and stop telling me what i can and cannot do |
| 23:35.45 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: stop being rude |
| 23:35.45 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: no, you are telling us what you can't do |
| 23:35.48 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: are you trying to write code that runs only on nvidia cards? |
| 23:36.02 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: nvidia-glx-dev |
| 23:36.02 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: if the problem really were that you cannot read any files then you would be unable to login. Since you can login your problem is something else. |
| 23:36.15 | Dave_is_sex1 | i cannot open any text based file as me, or run anything as root. period |
| 23:36.23 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: then you have to reinstall |
| 23:36.28 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: what exact steps do you take and what error message to you get? |
| 23:36.31 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: it is impossible to even boot your system |
| 23:36.39 | Dave_is_sex1 | phogg: wrong I (ME) cannot read any text file. i'm sure my account is capable |
| 23:36.43 | valdyn | Dave_is_sex1: why dont i blieve you? start linux, give the real error messages |
| 23:36.49 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: are you blind? |
| 23:37.02 | stew | valdyn: he can't that would require root being able to run /sbin/init |
| 23:37.04 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: if you are not blind, you can read text files if your account can read them |
| 23:37.25 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: no, it should run on all 3d cards |
| 23:37.34 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: please describe EXACTLY what you do and EXACTLY what error you get. |
| 23:37.40 | cafuego | well, unless you seriously mucked up SElinux |
| 23:38.02 | valdyn | oh , hell, is he mucking the selinux? |
| 23:38.07 | phogg | cafuego: since he opened with "I didn't do it' I think that's a strong possability |
| 23:38.23 | cafuego | valdyn: dunno |
| 23:38.27 | Dave_is_sex1 | you guys obviously aren't worth bothering with. why would i bother rebooting? you think you're gonna know how to fix it? HA! This is nt supposed to happen, none of you have encountered it before. It is an error that could not have been my fault, since my (annoying) no privilages account wasn't doing anything when this all started |
| 23:38.31 | cafuego | valdyn: but if eprmissions are borked... |
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| 23:38.48 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: we can fix it if you will let us |
| 23:39.04 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: obviously *something* is wrong, but you are not helping in isolating the problem |
| 23:39.15 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: I still haven't seen you post an ACTUAL erros |
| 23:39.18 | mfrisc1 | I need destar help or asterisk help in general |
| 23:39.21 | Dave_is_sex1 | so you're root only philosophy is looking pretty good now isn't it. this would never happen if i was given control of the system. |
| 23:39.23 | valdyn | Dave_is_sex1: shut up, our magicians are busy, and our mindreading and remote detection abilities are limited, unfortunately |
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| 23:39.45 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: if you have a specific question, ask it. if you don't have a specific qustion and you aren't willing to answer our specific questions, then there is no point in continuing |
| 23:40.00 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: Will you or will you not tell us what the error messages say? |
| 23:40.11 | noukta | anyone has a sollution for my blank screen ? |
| 23:40.17 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: my question is how can this happen, when only root is supposed to be able to make such changes? |
| 23:40.22 | Dave_is_sex1 | ??? |
| 23:40.23 | toad_ | EYOUARENOTROOT ? |
| 23:40.27 | toad_ | :) |
| 23:40.29 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: we don't know because we don't know what happened |
| 23:40.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | no i am not root |
| 23:40.35 | valdyn | noukta: disable your vga connecter in your bios |
| 23:40.36 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: because you wont tell us anything useful |
| 23:40.47 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: exactly what? how can exactly what happen? what error message? |
| 23:40.58 | Dave_is_sex1 | PERMISSION DENIED |
| 23:41.01 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: An unclean shutdown can destroy your FS in interesting ways, leading to unpredictable results. |
| 23:41.06 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: when you do... what? |
| 23:41.15 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: what are you doing that gives you that error? is that the exact error messag? |
| 23:41.22 | valdyn | noukta: that might .. but i cant tell much defenitely without your X log |
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| 23:41.38 | Dave_is_sex1 | as me, try to open any text based file (come on guys you know the words), or as root try to run a script |
| 23:41.39 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: Pretend I'm the dumb one. You are at a login prompt. You log in as yourself. Any errors yet? What do you do next? |
| 23:41.41 | chemist | how can I set the system time to +1 if i use ntp to set the time? |
| 23:41.52 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: how are you trying to open it. what command are you typing? |
| 23:42.07 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: exactly what script are you trying to run as root |
| 23:42.18 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: it's a standard message "you do not have permission to.... PERMISSION DENIED" |
| 23:42.20 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: and please show us the output of "ls -l /path/to/script" |
| 23:42.39 | Dave_is_sex1 | again, i tried with many scripts in many locations. |
| 23:42.41 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: standard error messages mostly don't exist |
| 23:42.42 | donaldo | this is very strange. fdisk -l /dev/hda is outputing this: Disk /dev/hda: 163.9 GB, 163928604672 bytes ---- but that number of bytes is only ~93% of 163.9 GB, am i going crazy? |
| 23:42.44 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: that is not a message i've ever seen, please give us the exact command and the exact error message |
| 23:43.08 | Dave_is_sex1 | cafuego: i would agree, but there was no bad shutdown, and the annoyance applies to files on all media. |
| 23:43.22 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: it does not apply to all files on all media |
| 23:43.34 | noukta | ok gonna test to disable the vga |
| 23:43.38 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: If all files on all media won't work, I'd hazard the permissions on / are busted. |
| 23:43.43 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: what program are you using to open the text files when the error occurs? |
| 23:43.49 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: Can you run 'ls -lad /' |
| 23:43.50 | toad_ | donaldo: binary vs decimal gigabytes |
| 23:43.56 | toad_ | donaldo: 2^30 != 10^9 |
| 23:44.04 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: how about you listen. it applies to all text files on /, ntfs-3g mounted partitions, fat32 partitions, and CDs |
| 23:44.22 | valdyn | Dave_is_sex1: oh, now suddely its limited to specific fs |
| 23:44.22 | wintix | Dave_is_sex1: what does 'lsattr' in / tell you if run as root? |
| 23:44.39 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: aha! not that is at least a little more specific than "all files on all media" |
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| 23:44.47 | Dave_is_sex1 | phogg: i've tried thunar and nautilus |
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| 23:45.01 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: what are the mount options you are using for one of those partitions? |
| 23:45.07 | wintix | Dave_is_sex1: so you can start a gui? |
| 23:45.10 | Dave_is_sex1 | valdyn: no you moron, go and read back |
| 23:45.12 | phogg | Dave_is_sex1: those are not text editors. Try opening GEdit and open a file from its file->open dialog |
| 23:45.14 | toad_ | donaldo: the number is exactly 163.9 decimal gigabytes, and hdd makers use decimal gigabytes |
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| 23:45.20 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I installed denyhosts.. but it seems to automatically block my ip from logging into ssh... I'm not sure why.. I use the correct password without any mistakes. |
| 23:45.20 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: do not start calling people names |
| 23:45.28 | Dave_is_sex1 | stew: all read-wrire (except cd of course) |
| 23:45.38 | donaldo | thanks toad_, i feel really stupid |
| 23:45.59 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: So you're not going to run those commands and give us info? I won't bother helping then. HAND. |
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| 23:46.05 | wintix | donaldo: compared with dave you are all set :) |
| 23:46.05 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: please show us the output of "mount" and "ls -l /path/to/file" for one such file use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:46.30 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: i've libgl1-mesa-glx and the libgl1-mesa-dev packages installed but i get no man glXCreateWindow =( =( |
| 23:46.36 | Dave_is_sex1 | cafuego: again, read back, you presumptuous freek, i am on WINDOWS |
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| 23:46.55 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: this isnt really a C programming support channel |
| 23:46.58 | phogg | aww |
| 23:47.03 | cafuego | Dave_is_sex1: seeya later |
| 23:47.04 | Guerin | good call |
| 23:47.06 | stew | Dave_is_sex1: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. come back when you are ready to give us exact error messages. and DO NOT call people names |
| 23:47.10 | rocketmagnet | i just can't find the right package |
| 23:47.18 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: your need gcc -Lglx or somesuch i guess, but ask at an appropriate forum |
| 23:47.48 | toad_ | maybe there is a -doc package? |
| 23:47.53 | ThomasPorter | stew: But his conversation was just getting amusing :( |
| 23:48.08 | wintix | maybe today is sunday and we didn't get the memo. |
| 23:48.10 | dvs | ThomasPorter: only if you're not involved with it |
| 23:48.23 | rocketmagnet | toad_: no, no -doc package |
| 23:48.24 | ThomasPorter | Good point. |
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| 23:49.16 | rocketmagnet | and gcc -lglx gives me an error |
| 23:49.16 | cafuego | bloody hell |
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| 23:50.44 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: that symbol seems to be defined in /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 23:51.11 | rocketmagnet | valdyn: how you find that out ? |
| 23:52.06 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: `strings' ca be your friend. |
| 23:52.11 | rocketmagnet | ahhh |
| 23:52.14 | rocketmagnet | i remember |
| 23:52.17 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: As can google, for that matter |
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| 23:52.37 | rocketmagnet | i don't know what to search |
| 23:53.22 | ice63 | hello i jest got a old dell p3 and the video card i can't find the make of it...the FC- says nvidia corporation hmm..is this a nvidia card ? |
| 23:53.50 | dvs | ice63: Well if the shoe fits... |
| 23:53.58 | ice63 | lol |
| 23:53.59 | valdyn | ice63: "lspci" to see |
| 23:54.24 | rocketmagnet | cafuego: give me a searchstring :P ? |
| 23:54.32 | cafuego | my old dell has a Riva TNT |
| 23:54.37 | ice63 | and it says on the fan MEI |
| 23:54.58 | naught101 | anyone know of a good Bind+apache2 virtual domain hosting tutorial for debian? |
| 23:55.02 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: glXCreateWindow debian -> hit #8 mentions /usr/include/GL/glx.h |
| 23:55.49 | rocketmagnet | cafuego: the file glx.h is there, but not the library -lglx |
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| 23:56.02 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: -lGL |
| 23:56.34 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: The header depends on th lib, so it's there. Just named differently :-) |
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| 23:56.44 | rocketmagnet | hm |
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| 23:56.52 | cafuego | See ^^ |
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| 23:56.59 | rocketmagnet | but why i don't get any man pages ? i have installed everytihng over apt-get .... |
| 23:57.13 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: is 'manpages-dev' installed? |
| 23:57.38 | rocketmagnet | nope =) |
| 23:57.41 | rocketmagnet | thx |
| 23:58.05 | rocketmagnet | hmm.. man glXCreateWindow shows me no manpage after installing manpages-dev |
| 23:58.09 | cafuego | Mind you, those are the libc6 manpages, they probably don't contain the libGL fucntions. |
| 23:58.37 | cafuego | rocketmagnet: It's quite possible libGL doesn't have man pages. |
| 23:58.55 | rocketmagnet | ups |
| 23:59.15 | rocketmagnet | no libGL anymore =( =(, seems apt-get has removed it when i installed the mesa-dev stuff ? |
| 23:59.46 | cafuego | yeh, mesa is software GL, it would have replaced it probably. |
