| 00:00.42 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: you need to go with nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev if you want to keep using the nvidia driver anyway |
| 00:00.48 | ThomasPorter | Does anyone know about denyhosts? I read the whole bloody manual and still can't figure out why its automatically blocking me for no-real-reason-what-so-ever..? Any clues? |
| 00:01.06 | valdyn | rocketmagnet: if you want to compile against mesa but run nvidia drivers, then that's not supported by debian |
| 00:02.16 | Wyzard | valdyn: Why wouldn't it be? nVidia's libGL is ABI-compatible with Mesa's |
| 00:02.29 | cafuego | Wyzard: the libs conflict |
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| 00:02.31 | Wyzard | valdyn: All the 3D software in Debian is compiled against Mesa, but it runs fine with nVidia |
| 00:02.40 | bzed | ThomasPorter: denyhosts!? |
| 00:02.45 | Wyzard | sure, you can't have both installed at the same time |
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| 00:02.46 | valdyn | Wyzard: sure, that wasnt my point |
| 00:02.58 | Wyzard | but you can compile with the headers from one, then uninstall it and install the other instead |
| 00:03.03 | valdyn | Wyzard: exactly |
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| 00:06.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: in sid ? |
| 00:06.12 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:06.20 | Wyzard | It's like Clearlooks but shinier and a bit nicer |
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| 00:14.30 | ThomasPorter | bzed: Sorry about the late reply... what do you mean by 'denyhosts!?' |
| 00:14.33 | mystic_source | Hello |
| 00:14.42 | mystic_source | i'm sorry i'm having here alitle strange thing |
| 00:14.57 | ThomasPorter | bzed: This is denyhosts: http://denyhosts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:16.17 | bzed | ThomasPorter: just use fail2ban |
| 00:17.03 | blahbleh | denyhosts is nice too. fail2ban just uses firewall. |
| 00:17.24 | bzed | what does denyhosts use!? |
| 00:17.31 | blahbleh | hosts.deny |
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| 00:21.27 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.05 | Wyzard | abrotman: Actually, it seems to be pretty similar to Ubuntu's theme, except blue instead of orange |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm still using .. one of the way old standard one s:) |
| 00:25.12 | r3c4ll | por si alguien sabe el idioma (si ya se que hay un debian-es para eso pero nadie responde) |
| 00:25.14 | r3c4ll | Si yo meto un directorio en un tgz, luego pico ese archivo en pedazos de 4.5Gb con split para meterlos en dvds, y los resultados de split los quemo en los dvds (con nero:P) sin cambiarles NADA, luego porque no los puedo leer en mi etch recien instalado? :S |
| 00:25.26 | stew | !es |
| 00:25.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:25.27 | abrotman | !es |
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| 00:26.50 | ThomasPorter | bzed: SSH auth.log |
| 00:27.56 | bzed | ThomasPorter: yes and? that's not a way to reject/drop/... connections |
| 00:28.30 | bzed | ThomasPorter: you need some kind of firewall. and that's what fail2ban just does fine |
| 00:28.42 | mystic_source | well i don`t want to make this question here but i was try to have acess to the ubuntu server to download the new cd to try i allways use more then one os like linux windows others distor but debian was allways my desktop and now i can`t acess look the ip is bloked ... but in windows i can acess to the servers someone knows why this happen ? |
| 00:29.32 | Wyzard | mystic_source: Your run-on sentence is very difficult to read but it sounds like you're saying "I can't connect to Ubuntu's download server" |
| 00:29.56 | mystic_source | Wyzard yes that right |
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| 00:29.58 | cafuego | abrotman: (sep cloud, ha!) |
| 00:30.04 | bzed | that sounds more like.. ubuntu's update server is using a braindead network stack. |
| 00:30.13 | Wyzard | mystic_source: Unless you're currently running Debian, that has nothing to do with this channel |
| 00:30.20 | Wyzard | mystic_source: Maybe their server is just down |
| 00:30.40 | Wyzard | (Incidentally, kernel.org seemed to be down yesterday...) |
| 00:30.54 | cafuego | yes, it also uses a braindead network stack |
| 00:30.56 | mystic_source | Wyzard i start whith ubuntu but i allwyas use debian and the server are not down because i try from windows a few minuts beford i make this test |
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| 00:31.29 | toad_ | every so often the kernel guys decide to make something default even though it breaks lots of routers. they do this for excellent reasons but it means in practice things break. :| |
| 00:31.35 | Wyzard | mystic_source: so you can access Ubuntu's download server from Windows, but not from Debian? |
| 00:31.44 | bzed | mystic_source: sounds like the ubuntu servers can;t handle TCP window scaling, which is a shame for them. so don;t blame debian, blame ubuntu :) |
| 00:31.48 | mystic_source | Wyzard that correct :| |
| 00:32.00 | Wyzard | yeah, I was going to guess TCP window scaling too |
| 00:32.04 | Wyzard | mystic_source: Are you running etch? |
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| 00:32.19 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-window-scaling |
| 00:32.22 | ThomasPorter | bzed: I've got a firewall aswell, Denyhosts is just designed to protect ssh |
| 00:32.25 | mystic_source | shure i use this version since was testing |
| 00:32.46 | bzed | ThomasPorter: again: how do you want to protect ssh without using a firewall? |
| 00:32.57 | bzed | mystic_source: read the lik i've posted up there? |
| 00:33.20 | mystic_source | bzed ok :) |
| 00:33.35 | bzed | ThomasPorter: sounds liek they're updating hosts.deny or something liek that... sorry, not the way to go imho. |
| 00:33.44 | DawnLight | does anyone use screen? |
| 00:34.01 | ThomasPorter | dzed: Surely it does doesn't the hosts.deny file? |
| 00:34.01 | bzed | !anyone |
| 00:34.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:34.13 | bzed | ThomasPorter: eh what? |
| 00:34.21 | Wyzard | bzed: though, feisty uses 2.6.20 so you'd think they'd make sure their download server was compatible with their own current release... |
| 00:34.26 | ThomasPorter | dzed: Whats it designed for? |
| 00:34.45 | bzed | ThomasPorter: lean to use tab completion and how to spell my nick right |
| 00:34.48 | mystic_source | bzed yes i'm se thanks :) |
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| 00:35.00 | bzed | Wyzard: yeah, that's a shame for them |
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| 00:35.24 | ThomasPorter | bzed: Always wondered how to do that.. how do you do? |
| 00:35.36 | bzed | ThomasPorter: do what? |
| 00:35.46 | ThomasPorter | Automatically grab names |
| 00:35.57 | bzed | hit b and press tab |
| 00:36.02 | DawnLight | i have connected to a box using ssh and opened a screen session. how does a user that is on the host box open the same screen session and shares it with me? |
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| 00:36.16 | ThomasPorter | bzed: Oh sweet! :D |
| 00:36.23 | mystic_source | bzed my isp is having dns problems to ... sometimes |
| 00:36.27 | ThomasPorter | bzed: Thanks been wondering how to do that for ages |
| 00:36.45 | bzed | DawnLight: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1945249 |
| 00:37.29 | bzed | ThomasPorter: and fail2ban uses iptables to block stuff .... you need to know how those things work, though |
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| 00:38.03 | liable | DawnLight: screen -x |
| 00:38.20 | gpm | man, is the situation with the nvidia drivers as bad as i think it is? |
| 00:38.28 | liable | yes |
| 00:38.33 | bzed | even worse |
| 00:38.36 | bzed | they just work! |
| 00:38.44 | gpm | no |
| 00:38.51 | gpm | they used to |
| 00:38.54 | Wyzard | gpm: what situation do you have in mind? |
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| 00:39.14 | Wyzard | gpm: I'm using 1.0.9755-1 on amd64 in sid and it works fine |
| 00:39.32 | gpm | well, it's partly hardware's fault |
| 00:39.40 | gpm | i've become a legacy with the latest drivers |
| 00:39.43 | bzed | same here, 1.0.9755-1 on amd64 |
| 00:39.59 | bzed | gpm: you just have to wait, the legacy 9xxx will be in there soon, too |
| 00:40.04 | gpm | yeah |
| 00:40.08 | gpm | but until then |
| 00:40.09 | abrotman | buy intel! |
| 00:40.11 | gpm | i can't play tux racer |
| 00:40.22 | bzed | use the 8xxx |
| 00:40.23 | dErFF | is freebsd and debian very similar? |
| 00:40.28 | gpm | abrotman: an agp card? or do you mean a whole new mobo? |
| 00:40.29 | bzed | no |
| 00:40.34 | Wyzard | abrotman: I don't think Intel makes standalone GPU cards |
| 00:40.34 | abrotman | mobo :) |
| 00:40.42 | gpm | bzed: oh, there's a though |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: supposedly they're entering that market again |
| 00:40.55 | Wyzard | that'd be nice |
| 00:41.02 | gpm | but here's the real kicker: the sources don't build in 2.6.20 with debian packages |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 00:41.08 | Wyzard | I wouldn't mind having an X3000 in a PCIe slot on systems where I don't need high-end graphics |
| 00:41.08 | bzed | gpm: the 8xxx from etch/testing should work for you |
| 00:41.11 | gpm | so i'd have to go and build a custom |
| 00:41.22 | gpm | bzed: yeah, but then i gotta go back to 2.18 |
| 00:41.27 | gpm | which is fine |
| 00:41.39 | bzed | gpm: or build your own kernel |
| 00:41.42 | gpm | but i guess i'm bemoaning the fact that the current sid stuff won't work |
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| 00:41.46 | gpm | but i guess that's sid for ya |
| 00:42.02 | vchrizz | im on lenny and 'aptitude search linux-headers' shows only 2.6.18; im running a self compiled 2.6.21; how do i create a linux-headers pkg for my kernelver? |
| 00:42.19 | bzed | Wyzard: probably it's not built on all arches yet |
| 00:42.20 | gpm | lazy dds? |
| 00:42.32 | gpm | bzed: but why not update linux-image-686 |
| 00:42.35 | gpm | where it *is* |
| 00:42.39 | mystic_source | i bealiver that if all the distros join together they make one bether linux to many energy spent try to do the same thing |
| 00:42.47 | mystic_source | makes we lose time |
| 00:42.49 | mystic_source | :x |
| 00:42.59 | gpm | they do have linux-image-{arch} packages which haven't been updated |
| 00:43.01 | Gryfelhase | hi.... I'm installing etch..... chossing the packages with apt..... now I have to mount every time I want to install a packages (or somepackages at once) the external-usb-dvd-rom... |
| 00:43.02 | gpm | i blame the dd |
| 00:43.04 | Wyzard | well, at this point they might as well just package 2.6.21 |
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| 00:43.17 | Gryfelhase | this was not the case under sarge.... what happend? |
| 00:43.18 | Palish | Hello all |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | Gryfelhase: comment out your CD sources .. use just http sources |
| 00:43.34 | Palish | I'm trying to make a project, but in the middle of it after it builds my .a file it tries to execvp it: |
| 00:43.36 | Palish | make[1]: execvp: ../../lib/linux/kaos_math_debug.a: Permission denied |
| 00:43.39 | Palish | which of course causes an error |
| 00:43.44 | Palish | the makefile doesn't have any reference to 'execvp' |
| 00:43.46 | gpm | Wyzard: i like how the debian package of 2.6.20 doesn't make every disk /dev/sdX |
| 00:43.58 | gpm | install ubuntu and everything is /dev/sdX |
| 00:43.59 | Palish | anyone happen to know why it would be trying to execute my library? |
| 00:44.08 | gpm | forcing you to use UUID or labels if you want removables |
| 00:44.11 | Gryfelhase | abrotman: Now, I don't have a working network-connection on my laptop so far |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | Gryfelhase: so where else woudl you like it to get your packages ? |
| 00:44.30 | Wyzard | gpm: I'm surprised it doesn't, considering that that change is mentioned in etch's release notes |
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| 00:44.42 | DawnLight | why do i need to "Set the screen binary (/usr/bin/screen) setuid root."? |
| 00:44.48 | Gryfelhase | abrotman: I downloaded all 3 dvds :) |
| 00:44.56 | bzed | gpm: and introducing drivers which are marked EXPERIMENTAl... some peopel at ubuntu are a bit... crazy |
| 00:44.57 | Wyzard | gpm: I use LVM so the names of the underlying disk devices don't matter to me though |
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| 00:46.20 | vchrizz | Gryfelhase: are you bored or something like that? downloading 3dvds and prefer to change dvds instead of easily let apt download what you actually need? :D |
| 00:46.33 | bzed | DawnLight: because the other user's screen must be able to get your screen session in YOUR directory |
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| 00:47.04 | Palish | this is really annoying because it shouldn't be trying to execute a library file |
| 00:47.09 | DawnLight | you mean write to it, bzed? |
| 00:47.13 | Palish | makefile just executes commands right? |
| 00:47.19 | Palish | is there any way to debug a makefile to figure out what all it's doing? |
| 00:47.27 | Gryfelhase | chrizz: a) How should I get the the usb-wlanstick get running, when the net-install-cd don't support it? |
| 00:47.32 | bzed | DawnLight: write, read |
| 00:47.52 | bzed | Gryfelhase: use a cable to install and download the drivers |
| 00:47.53 | DawnLight | then how do i set it suid root, bzed? |
| 00:48.09 | bzed | chmod 4755 /usr/bin/screen |
| 00:48.14 | Palish | anyone? |
| 00:48.17 | Gryfelhase | b) whop knows if I'm able... say in 6 monts or a year to pay a internetconnection, when my harddisc may be broken |
| 00:48.32 | Gryfelhase | and the isntallation is death |
| 00:48.48 | bzed | Palish: makefiles are run by make.. and it usually gives an output of what it does |
| 00:49.12 | DawnLight | Gryfelhase, get a wireless card and don't pay for internet connection :) |
| 00:49.29 | DawnLight | thanks bzed |
| 00:49.38 | Gryfelhase | Dawn: Sorry, don't get the joke ;) |
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| 00:49.54 | bzed | Gryfelhase: ever heard of wardriving? ;) |
| 00:50.05 | Gryfelhase | oh, ok, i got it :) |
| 00:50.25 | Palish | bzed: Well, all it says is make[1]: execvp: ../../lib/linux/kaos_math_debug.a: Permission denied |
| 00:50.38 | Gryfelhase | of course.... but you know, I respect things who are owned by others :) |
| 00:51.02 | bzed | Palish: copy the full output in a pastebin please |
| 00:51.02 | vchrizz | DawnLight: or use some local free internet connection (there are some mesh routing projects around like funkfeuer.at here in vienna) |
| 00:52.12 | Palish | bzed: http://rafb.net/p/hC6kX982.html |
| 00:52.17 | Palish | I'll paste the files too if you'd like |
| 00:52.24 | DawnLight | you mean free as in free? i wish there were energies like that here in israel. everything here is army, army, army. :( i want to go to europe |
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| 00:53.09 | vchrizz | DawnLight: free as in register as new member, get an ip and connect to be online :D |
| 00:53.10 | bzed | Palish: first thing: you should never run make as root, except for the maek isntall if you really need to) |
| 00:53.21 | Palish | Oh, okay |
| 00:53.25 | bzed | Palish: it could just accidentally wipe your disc |
| 00:53.35 | DawnLight | get an ip? an internet ip? |
| 00:53.35 | Gryfelhase | chrizz: Ok, but maybe I had to move resident.... juzst to get free internetcomnnection? ;) |
| 00:53.47 | Palish | the relevant makefile is: http://rafb.net/p/5MNiVh89.html |
| 00:54.06 | Palish | I see it builds it, then runs ar and ranlib on it |
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| 00:54.17 | Palish | are those trying to execute it maybe? |
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| 00:54.42 | js_ | how can i ignore built libraries in a debian package? |
| 00:55.35 | DawnLight | bzed: kfir@KPGE:~$ screen |
| 00:55.35 | DawnLight | Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 755. |
| 00:55.51 | vchrizz | Gryfelhase: bzed already told... wardriving... and today so much APs are open... i got a notebook since a year or so and i everywhere where i went on holiday i found at least an open AP :) |
| 00:56.20 | bzed | Palish: paste Makefile.custom please |
| 00:56.32 | bzed | DawnLight: chmod 755 /var/run/screen |
| 00:56.54 | bzed | js_: what do you mean by ignore? |
| 00:57.00 | Palish | bzed: sorry, there actually isn't one |
| 00:57.13 | DawnLight | great |
| 00:57.27 | Gryfelhase | ok, I'll remark this, but..-.. now it comes: How I do install the driver for the wlan-card just with the netinstall-cd? :) |
| 00:57.29 | Palish | this is shared.makefile: http://rafb.net/p/uhYaxT86.html |
| 00:57.32 | js_ | bzed: when i build a package there are a few files created which are part of another package, so i dont want to include them in the package im making, because it will conflict with the other one |
| 00:57.38 | Gryfelhase | I need the compiler, automake etc.... :) |
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| 00:58.01 | vchrizz | Gryfelhase: you get the module now and save it for future usage ;) |
| 00:58.07 | Palish | and here is just Makefile: http://rafb.net/p/Al2u5948.html it's just forwarding the two targets though. |
| 00:58.58 | Palish | in fact |
| 00:59.08 | Palish | when I do a "make clean", it's also randomly trying to execvp on directories too |
| 00:59.40 | bzed | Palish: I guess there's some included makefile missing here |
| 00:59.57 | bzed | Palish: or there's a way to create/copy your Makefile.custom |
| 01:00.01 | Palish | bzed: it's just, there's no reference to execvp at all |
| 01:00.15 | Gryfelhase | Sometime ago I saw an "amiga-workbench"-Windowmanager ---- don't find it anymore... I guess it's not part of debian? |
| 01:00.39 | bzed | Palish: all those $(FOO) variables are not set, which means they're empy.. so instead of passing the options to your compiler/... they go into the shell |
| 01:01.03 | Palish | they're set here, sorry: http://rafb.net/p/0GUEFU96.html |
| 01:01.09 | Palish | it's an autogenerated thing |
| 01:01.24 | Palish | that is Makefile.LINUX.mk |
| 01:01.46 | vchrizz | Gryfelhase: you mean amiga-x ? |
| 01:02.15 | bzed | Palish: trythis: ln -s Makefile.LINUX.mk Makefile.custom |
| 01:02.25 | Gryfelhase | don't know anymore.... I'm just installing now windowlab.... |
| 01:02.30 | bzed | Palish: and then run make again |
| 01:02.35 | Gryfelhase | maybe it was this one |
| 01:03.01 | Palish | bzed: it includes Makefile.LINUX.mk inside of shared.Makefile though |
| 01:03.11 | bzed | js_: jsut delete them from your temporary directory after runnign make isntall or whatever you use to put them inthere |
| 01:03.28 | Palish | OH |
| 01:03.30 | Palish | it doesn't |
| 01:03.36 | bzed | ;) |
| 01:03.53 | vchrizz | im on lenny and 'aptitude search linux-headers' shows only 2.6.18 but im running a self compiled 2.6.21, how do i get linux-headers for it? |
| 01:03.55 | toad_ | LOL |
| 01:04.01 | toad_ | sorry wrong channel |
| 01:04.19 | bzed | vchrizz: you ahve them. in the sources directory of your self compiled kernel |
| 01:04.29 | bzed | vchrizz: there's an include dir .... |
| 01:04.56 | Palish | bzed: you are absolutely right, thanks so much! |
| 01:04.57 | bzed | Palish: np |
| 01:04.57 | Palish | yay.. |
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| 01:12.35 | ice63 | how can i change my wallpaper on blackbox ? |
| 01:13.32 | ice63 | or add wallpaper |
| 01:14.06 | abrotman | bsetroot .. IIRC |
| 01:15.11 | ice63 | abrotman: is that for me ? |
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| 01:15.44 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:16.42 | ice63 | abrotman: thank you |
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| 01:18.21 | Gryfelhase | but coming back to my problem: Why must I mount every time the usb-dvd-rom everytime ? |
| 01:18.21 | Gryfelhase | when using apt-get install? |
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| 01:20.17 | Gryfelhase | what is the diffrence between /dev/sr0 and /dev/scd0 ? |
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| 01:27.03 | karsten | Gryfelhase: http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | yay 2.4! |
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| 01:28.02 | karsten | Gryfelhase: /dev/sr0 is old-school. /dev/sdc0 is more current. Both refer to SCSI CD devices. |
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| 01:28.20 | Gryfelhase | ok, thx |
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| 01:34.25 | EvilSporkMan | anyone know how to flush the disk cache? (the READ cache, not the write cache) |
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| 01:35.44 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: sounds like a ##kernel question |
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| 01:35.54 | nzk|irss1 | How do I keep my ssh session when i logout |
| 01:36.07 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: i want to do it in userspace...i'm just trying to profile something |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | nzk|irssi: screen |
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| 01:36.32 | nvz_ | heh |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | nzk|irss1: : screen |
| 01:36.48 | nzk|irss1 | I'm using screen |
| 01:36.51 | omri | is there "screen for X" ? |
| 01:37.14 | EvilSporkMan | omri: you mean like VNC? |
| 01:37.15 | nvz_ | omri: yeah its called ion3.. heh |
| 01:37.37 | omri | EvilSporkMan, no, like if I want my xchat to keep running when I logout |
| 01:37.48 | omri | nvz_, what's ion3? |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | omri: like vnc ? |
| 01:38.16 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: too slow |
| 01:38.16 | omri | abrotman, see above |
| 01:38.21 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | i'm not slow .. i'm reiterating :) |
| 01:38.53 | abrotman | EvilSporkMan: done with your year yet ? |
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| 01:39.36 | nvz_ | omri: for the detach functionality you want vncserver not X |
| 01:40.13 | omri | I see. it's extremely different than X? |
| 01:41.09 | nvz_ | omri: no its a remote framebuffer server you can connect to it and view it with a vncviewer program from anywhere on a network including locally on X |
| 01:41.34 | EvilSporkMan | abrotman: yep, been done for a week now |
| 01:41.34 | omri | I see. what about opengl? |
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| 01:41.51 | nvz_ | omri: you're getting ridculous |
| 01:42.18 | omri | why? I'm asking about opengl applications locally; what if I'm using vnc? |
| 01:42.25 | omri | can I still use opengl *locally* ? |
| 01:42.48 | nvz_ | never tried it |
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| 01:43.12 | admin__ | I am having trouble with apt-get, there's a package (libx11-6), that it needs to upgrade, although if i do, Opera won't work, and I need opera, apt-get won't let me install anything unless that's installed, how can I override that? |
| 01:43.13 | omri | I see. thanks. I'll try that tomorrow |
| 01:44.31 | mmlj4 | admin__: you're getting all this software via official apt respositories? |
| 01:44.50 | asg | admin__: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 01:45.13 | mmlj4 | probably you want to use Red Hat instead of debian, they invented dependency hell |
| 01:45.18 | asg | mmlj4: it's the same bug that affects rdesktop and a few others (security patch in libx11-6) |
| 01:45.24 | admin__ | yeah |
| 01:45.27 | mmlj4 | oh. |
| 01:45.51 | mmlj4 | um, how bad do you need it? --force it |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | admin_: why won't opera work ? |
| 01:46.28 | asg | mmlj4: he just wants to prevent libx11-6 from getting the security update (/msg dpkg hold will help there.) The question he has to ask is if it's worth it to have an insecure library on his system. |
| 01:46.56 | admin_ | abrotman: it'll work, with the lower version of libx.. |
| 01:46.57 | Amarande | hmm, I didn't know there was a security update for libx11-6 |
| 01:47.07 | abrotman | admin_: i mean .. what doesn't work when you upgrade ? |
| 01:47.13 | admin_ | Opera |
| 01:47.17 | admin_ | It's a common problem. |
| 01:47.19 | abrotman | no shit |
| 01:47.24 | admin_ | there's just no soln |
| 01:47.25 | abrotman | WHAT ERROR |
| 01:47.26 | admin_ | then stop asking! |
| 01:47.30 | admin_ | it doesn't fucking matter |
| 01:47.33 | admin_ | I need help with apt |
| 01:47.35 | abrotman | yea ... it does |
| 01:47.36 | admin_ | not with opera |
| 01:47.37 | asg | Amarande: it was prior to etch's full release |
| 01:47.47 | abrotman | opera is broken .. so you're going to break your system ? |
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| 01:47.57 | abrotman | tard |
| 01:48.02 | asg | abrotman: rdesktop is also broken because of it |
| 01:48.04 | mmlj4 | opera? there's your problem... :-) |
| 01:48.05 | ice63 | abrotman: can you give me a website to go to so i can read on to use bsetroot pl |
| 01:48.13 | Amarande | admin_: just get iceweasel and ditch opera :P |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | ice63: man bsetroot |
| 01:48.28 | Amarande | Light, some people ... |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | asg: still could have shared the damn error |
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| 01:49.59 | asg | abrotman: I couldn't give a squirt about opera |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | asg: can you fix .gov websites please! |
| 01:50.36 | asg | abrotman: only .edu's i'm afraid |
| 01:50.48 | maddash | woohoo, I finally got compiz running on this old laptop |
| 01:51.03 | bzed | lol |
| 01:51.07 | asg | abrotman: can you make the DMV open on weekends so I can finally get my license renewed? |
| 01:51.17 | abrotman | asg: i've seen you drive .. no |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | asg: eeyore- said you almost t-boned him last week! |
| 01:51.31 | asg | abrotman: I'm the safest driver on the road |
| 01:51.41 | asg | abrotman: he probably saw mrs. asg in my car |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | asg: have you seen me drive? :) |
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| 01:51.57 | asg | abrotman: I've heard horror stories :) |
| 01:52.09 | Amarande | abrotman: can you remove the taint so I can channel without going mad? :) |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | Amarande: you're going to channel ? |
| 01:52.46 | rissy | is there any way of having shadows in my theme for window borders? without instealling beryl etc? |
| 01:52.47 | maddash | eeyore-: have you decided on your filesystem encryption scheme? |
| 01:52.57 | rissy | i dont' want all those extra fancy things that come with beryl |
| 01:53.25 | Amarande | what's beryl, anyway? doesn't show up in apt |
| 01:53.28 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ apt-cache search beryl |
| 01:53.28 | Amarande | amarande@alviarin:~$ |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | there's no beryl in debian |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 01:53.54 | rissy | google it, it's just something that allows you to have lot's of fancy things |
| 01:54.12 | maddash | sissy: use compiz |
| 01:54.22 | maddash | rissy: ^^ |
| 01:54.27 | bzed | Amarande: will be merged with compiz soon, search for compi |
| 01:54.29 | bzed | z |
| 01:54.42 | rissy | maddash, doesn't compiz come with all those extra fancy things that beryl (same company) has though? |
| 01:55.00 | maddash | rissy: yeah. it's addicting. |
| 01:55.10 | rissy | hehe, |
| 01:55.25 | rissy | i don't really like that "3d desktop" or "curled windows" stuff |
| 01:55.36 | rissy | i'm just looking for window border shadows on it's own |
| 01:55.53 | rissy | if there isn't any package that does that, i'll install compiz as my last resort however |
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| 01:56.07 | maddash | rissy: depends on your wm. |
| 01:56.15 | rissy | gnome |
| 01:56.30 | Amarande | is gnome actually a wm? |
| 01:56.35 | abrotman | sawfish or metacity or something else ? |
| 01:56.36 | Amarande | what -is- the default wm in gnome, anyway? |
| 01:56.38 | asg | Amarande: no, but it comes with one |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | no .. gnome is not a wm |
| 01:56.47 | maddash | Amarande: metacity |
| 01:57.01 | rissy | oh, |
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| 01:57.13 | rissy | that's nice to know |
| 01:57.21 | maddash | all these jiggly windows....makes me want to squeeze and fondle them. |
| 01:57.57 | Amarande | maddash, you may want to make sure your monitor/video card are ok ;) |
| 01:58.05 | rissy | what's the difference between a desktop enviroment and window manager than? |
| 01:58.39 | Amarande | speaking of desktop environments |
| 01:58.45 | Amarande | what does the K in K Desktop Environment stand for? |
| 01:58.46 | asg | rissy: the former usually has integration functionality (i.e., drag-n-drop, interprocess communication plumbing, etc.) |
| 01:58.53 | asg | Amarande: Klunky |
| 01:58.59 | maddash | rissy: DE = WM + {load of crud} |
| 01:59.01 | rissy | asg, ah okay. |
| 01:59.16 | rissy | communication between the wm and x server or? |
| 01:59.24 | DocPlatypus | Amarande: it used to stand for "Kool" but now stands just for "K" |
| 02:00.01 | asg | rissy: you actually don't need a wm at all. You can just start X and an xterm and manage your windows (move/resize) with ALT+Left Button (move), ALT+Right Button (resize) |
| 02:00.19 | rissy | asg, i'm aware of that |
| 02:00.47 | rissy | i just don't understand the concept of each system that's all. other than, knowing it's a client / server model with x server, and the wm or something :P |
| 02:00.47 | rissy | oh well |
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| 02:01.04 | rissy | doesn't really matter anyways. i'm giong off track, back to compiz and such for me. |
| 02:01.33 | uzer | how can i tell if linux is using both of my cpus |
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| 02:01.52 | asg | uzer: cat /proc/cpuinfo (if you see more than one, it is) |
| 02:02.22 | uzer | asg: k, thanks, :) |
| 02:02.28 | asg | uzer: or grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:03.35 | Hirato | I need some assistance obtaining the nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755, I have the source code, but I have no idea how to compile it as the readme loses em at step 4 |
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| 02:08.04 | Mr_Dave | Hirato: I find the easiest way is to use module-assistant |
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| 02:08.51 | Hirato | you're talking to some that hardly knows anything about linux |
| 02:09.10 | Mr_Dave | there's a debian package called module-assistant |
| 02:09.14 | Hirato | I emrely need a compiled version of nvidia-kernel-1.0.9755 so I can use the one liner to install everything |
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| 02:09.34 | Mr_Dave | it can be used as a front-end that'll grab the sources you need and compile the kernel module for you |
| 02:09.53 | Mr_Dave | it even wraps it up in a nice convenient .deb so dpkg can keep track of it all |
| 02:10.06 | Hirato | nice, how would I do this? |
| 02:11.02 | Mr_Dave | after installing module-assistant, I run m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 02:11.20 | Mr_Dave | a-i is the auto-install feature of module-assistant |
| 02:11.21 | Hirato | okay |
| 02:11.32 | Mr_Dave | after that, I install nvidia-glx, then edit the xorg.conf |
| 02:11.34 | Mr_Dave | and we're done |
| 02:12.08 | Mr_Dave | m-a prepare grabs all the necessary packages for building .debs, as well as your compiler, and the headers for your current kernel |
| 02:12.12 | Mr_Dave | it's really quite a smart system |
| 02:12.16 | Hirato | excellent, it's compiling |
| 02:12.30 | Hirato | I could never get that far on ym own, thank you so much |
| 02:12.39 | Mr_Dave | not a problem |
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| 02:13.26 | Hirato | my glx package is complainign about a broken dependency now |
| 02:13.56 | Mr_Dave | what's it asking for? |
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| 02:14.35 | Hirato | it says my system has broken dependencies, and wants me to run sudo synaptic or sudo apt-get install -f |
| 02:14.52 | Mr_Dave | have you tried running apt-get install -f ? |
| 02:15.10 | Hirato | just did synaptic |
| 02:15.18 | Hirato | it was just 1, and it's being deleted |
| 02:15.39 | Mr_Dave | does nvidia-glx install cleanly now? |
| 02:16.01 | Hirato | not yet, it wants libc6 |
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| 02:16.38 | Hirato | I tried upgrading that yesterday, but a timezone and dst data file needed them, and wanted to remove tons of other packages too |
| 02:16.51 | Hirato | when I tried to remove that |
| 02:17.05 | Mr_Dave | so we've got a few issues |
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| 02:17.23 | Hirato | tzdata |
| 02:17.26 | Mr_Dave | What release are you running? |
| 02:17.56 | Hirato | as far as I know, 4.0r0 using kernel V 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 02:18.02 | Mr_Dave | ok |
| 02:18.35 | Mr_Dave | are you running Stable, Testing, or Unstable? |
| 02:18.38 | Hirato | is there a way I can temporarily deactivate tzdata? |
| 02:18.40 | Hirato | stable |
| 02:18.46 | Hirato | I downloaded it last week |
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| 02:19.17 | Mr_Dave | that's rather peculilar |
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| 02:19.41 | Mr_Dave | you shouldn't have any dependancy issues running stable.. |
| 02:20.03 | Hirato | it wants em to upgrade libC, but tzdata is using that |
| 02:20.29 | Hirato | so I need to somehow get rid of tzdata alone, but it pulls hundreds of other packages with it |
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| 02:20.54 | Hirato | or is there a daemon I can disable temporarily so i can upgrade libc? |
| 02:21.05 | Mr_Dave | I think I might know where the issue is |
| 02:21.27 | Mr_Dave | where did you get the 1.0.9755 package? |
| 02:21.38 | Hirato | from the unstable/devel area |
| 02:21.50 | Mr_Dave | yeah, that's going to be a problem |
| 02:22.01 | Hirato | kinda jsut googled nvidia-glx since the one liner wanted the package |
| 02:22.13 | Hirato | and couldn't retrieve it |
| 02:22.42 | Mr_Dave | because it's from debian unstable, it's expecting all the other system packages to be from unstable |
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| 02:23.20 | Mr_Dave | sometimes you can get away with mixing packages from unstable and testing in stable, but not always |
| 02:23.33 | Mr_Dave | especially when you have a dependancy on something as big as libc6 |
| 02:23.41 | Mr_Dave | so you've got a couple of options |
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| 02:23.57 | Mr_Dave | 1.0.8776 is in the stable release |
| 02:24.05 | Mr_Dave | so if you stay running stable, we could install that |
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| 02:24.15 | Hirato | I already have that |
| 02:24.28 | Hirato | but it doesn't supprot my video card, and as a result, i have no 3D |
| 02:24.35 | Mr_Dave | which video card? |
| 02:24.38 | Amarande | plus, 87.76 is kinda ... okay, how do I put this |
| 02:24.39 | Amarande | 'bad'? |
| 02:24.43 | Hirato | Nvidia 7600GT |
| 02:24.53 | Amarande | I had a 7600GT, 87.76 supported it, but not very well |
| 02:25.11 | Amarande | glxgears ran, and with enough fps to show that DRI was working |
| 02:25.32 | Amarande | but if I tried to, say, run Guild Wars in Wine, no go |
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| 02:25.46 | Mr_Dave | ok |
| 02:25.47 | j4cbo | "no go" in what sense? |
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| 02:26.05 | Mr_Dave | I'm not seeing 1.0.9755 in the stable backports yet |
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| 02:26.10 | bzed | Amarande: you could try to install the packages from unstable, searhc for tehm on packages.debian.org, download the .debs and try to install them... they're still build for 2.6.18... |
| 02:26.18 | Hirato | so um... how would I go with temprarily disabling tzdata |
| 02:26.24 | bzed | Amarande: but chances are good that you need to backport them |
| 02:26.35 | Mr_Dave | so the only other option I can think of is running testing or unstable |
| 02:26.35 | bzed | !sid backport |
| 02:26.44 | Mr_Dave | unless somebody else can think of a better solution |
| 02:26.55 | Hirato | I just need to update libc |
| 02:27.26 | bzed | Hirato: as far as I remember just add the packages it wants to remove to the apt-get install line and it'll work |
| 02:27.27 | Amarande | j4cbo, as in it didn't run properly |
| 02:27.50 | Amarande | Mr_Dave: point your apt to sid for *sources* |
| 02:27.56 | Amarande | then do apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:28.02 | Mr_Dave | Amarande: that's crazy! |
| 02:28.03 | Amarande | and build it against etch from that :) |
| 02:28.06 | Mr_Dave | oi |
| 02:28.14 | Mr_Dave | why do I never think of the obvious |
| 02:28.18 | bzed | hehe |
| 02:28.19 | shogunx | how about apt-get install matrox-card |
| 02:29.00 | j4cbo | i've always built my own drivers anyway |
| 02:29.10 | bzed | n8n8 |
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| 02:29.19 | Mr_Dave | Hirato: so, that's the solution then |
| 02:29.31 | Mr_Dave | do you have deb-src lines in sources.conf? |
| 02:30.19 | yasser | help me...xp aint booting |
| 02:30.28 | Amarande | yasser: install debian :) |
| 02:30.37 | xq | lol |
| 02:30.45 | yasser | i deleted boot sector n mbr of hda1.......nothing boots now! |
| 02:30.46 | Hirato | uh? |
| 02:30.58 | yasser | Amarande: plz its not a joke..my bro will kill me |
| 02:31.05 | Amarande | Installing Windows ... the computer equivalent to Homer Simpson shoving that crayon into his brain :| |
| 02:31.07 | abrotman | yasser: so why'd you do that ? |
| 02:31.07 | xq | have a boot cd, live cd, boot disk -- anything? |
| 02:31.07 | Hirato | all this trouble on a stable release |
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| 02:31.37 | Hirato | amarande, why do i find so much truth in that |
| 02:32.11 | yasser | abrotman: thought dat wud fix things but it made matters worse |
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| 02:32.18 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:32.30 | xq | yasser: do you have any boot media ? |
| 02:32.44 | j4cbo | yasser: what specifically did you do? |
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| 02:32.55 | yasser | xq: yes ive super grub disk...thru ive been able to get into debian n suse installed on my pc |
| 02:33.09 | xq | j4cbo: I think he deleted his mbr or formatted a sector of the boot partition? |
| 02:33.12 | yasser | j4cbo: ok lemme tell u what command i used..... |
| 02:33.52 | Hirato | maybe, dave, can I attempt to install a unstable version of tzdata so I can upgrade libc? |
| 02:34.05 | j4cbo | xq: how do you delete an mbr, though? |
| 02:34.16 | xq | j4cbo: much effort |
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| 02:34.23 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:34.26 | Mr_Dave | Hirato: the better plan is to build the packages you need from source |
| 02:34.30 | xq | heya Azar |
| 02:34.40 | Azar | hey xq :) |
| 02:34.45 | Mr_Dave | installing unstable's libc6, I think, is going to break things |
| 02:34.49 | Azar | welcome back mister abrotman |
| 02:34.57 | abrotman | back ? |
| 02:34.59 | Hirato | worth a try isn't it? |
| 02:35.03 | Mr_Dave | though I wouldn't mind if somebody chimed in on that |
| 02:35.08 | Azar | abrotman: been two days I haven't seen you around |
| 02:35.20 | yasser | i did this dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 |
| 02:35.32 | yasser | then this dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=512 count=1 |
| 02:35.45 | yasser | that removed mbr n boot sector i think |
| 02:35.47 | j4cbo | xq: you're right |
| 02:35.53 | abrotman | Azar: ah .. sorry .. |
| 02:35.54 | j4cbo | yasser: yeah, that would do it |
| 02:36.12 | yasser | how do i fix things plz??? |
| 02:36.21 | Azar | not that we didn't danced on the beds and tables while you were away.. |
| 02:36.37 | yasser | my bro will kill me today if i dont get xp up n runnin.........he keeps blaming linux all d time! |
| 02:36.42 | xq | yasser: if you really "have" to run windows or what not for your brother... |
| 02:36.50 | j4cbo | yasser: there are replacement mbr packages |
| 02:37.00 | xq | yasser: boot into dos/windows partition and simply type "fixmbr" |
| 02:37.09 | xq | that's an easy solution |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:37.19 | abrotman | or he could ask ##windows |
| 02:37.28 | Hirato | that actually worked... |
| 02:37.34 | Hirato | farewell |
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| 02:37.41 | yasser | xq: how do i boot into dos/wndows partition? |
| 02:37.49 | Mr_Dave | yasser: do you have an XP install disk? |
| 02:37.58 | yasser | plzz...ive come here wid lot of hope.... |
| 02:38.02 | xq | yasser: boot disk |
| 02:38.04 | yasser | Mr_Dave: yes i have |
| 02:38.11 | Mr_Dave | yasser: you need to boot off the cd |
| 02:38.14 | xq | or XP install disk will do |
| 02:38.20 | Mr_Dave | the first screen will ask you to hit R or Enter |
| 02:38.21 | Mr_Dave | hit R |
| 02:38.21 | xq | use it, boot from it |
| 02:38.25 | xq | hit R |
| 02:38.31 | xq | ...and boom hehe |
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| 02:38.38 | yasser | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.43 | Mr_Dave | follow the directions to get the the commmand prompt |
| 02:38.49 | Mr_Dave | then type fixmbr |
| 02:39.02 | Mr_Dave | and fixboot |
| 02:39.10 | xq | and if this doesn't help is there a #windows? i forget hehe |
| 02:39.14 | Azar | "Class is now in session. Spit out your gum, take your seat, and find a No. 2 pencil. You, too, Mr. Spicoli." << Regular expressions class |
| 02:39.16 | asg | abrotman: have you had enough beers to do the Hasslehoff yet? |
| 02:39.21 | Mr_Dave | xq: probably not on freenode |
| 02:39.31 | abrotman | asg: i would never! |
| 02:39.33 | asg | Azar: is that the IBM developerworks one? |
| 02:39.37 | xq | mr_dave: maybe on efnet or dal |
| 02:39.39 | j4cbo | there is, actually |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | yasser: go to ##windows ... |
| 02:39.43 | Azar | asg, yes... |
| 02:39.57 | asg | Azar: hah, I missed the spicoli reference |
| 02:40.03 | xq | abrotman: lol |
| 02:40.08 | Azar | asg is just at the beginning.... |
| 02:40.21 | Azar | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-speakingunix9/?ca=dgr-lnxw02aspeakUNIX |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | xq: it's not funny ? |
| 02:40.23 | asg | Azar: yeah |
| 02:41.16 | Mr_Dave | yasser: are you going to try that? |
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| 02:41.40 | Decepticon | hello, i just opened synaptic and i have lots of upgradeable packages (i am on debian sarge) im accessing the computer via ssh and vnc, because i dont have a monitor for it. the upgrades include things like x-window-system and gnome and xfce and VARIOUS other things. what my quetion is: i dont want it to screw up my current settings if i install all those packages and then i cant access the vnc server because of i cant configure x-window-sy |
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| 02:41.42 | xq | abrotman: just to me...just to me |
| 02:42.26 | asg | Decepticon: check /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure it says 'sarge' and not 'stable'. If the latter, change all instances of stable to sarge. |
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| 02:42.50 | yasser | Mr_Dave: thx.....but it only seeks to do automatic repair if i press R....n recognises only hda5 |
| 02:43.04 | Mr_Dave | yasser: is it a virgin XP disc? |
| 02:43.07 | abrotman | yasser: go to ##windows |
| 02:43.08 | Mr_Dave | or a recovery disc? |
| 02:43.11 | abrotman | Mr_Dave: go with him |
| 02:43.16 | asg | Mr_Dave: all XP discs are tainted |
| 02:43.19 | Decepticon | asg, so i should replace everything that says stable to sarge |
| 02:43.23 | Mr_Dave | abrotman: gotcha |
| 02:43.28 | asg | Decepticon: yes. |
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| 02:43.34 | shogunx | yasser... oh. you forgot to remove that xp partition. just boot linux and do a mke2fs /dev/hda5 |
| 02:43.45 | j4cbo | he's in ##windows, as am i |
| 02:43.48 | asg | Decepticon: it's trying to use the new 'stable' or 'etch' sources but since you are on sarge, it's causing issues. |
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| 02:43.59 | Azar | Decepticon: the stable distribution now is Etch. That why you change from "stable" to "sarge" in sources list |
| 02:44.13 | Decepticon | oh ok... you dont mind looking at my sources.list before and after i make the change do you? |
| 02:44.18 | Azar | oh sorry didnt noticed asg took your question |
| 02:44.26 | Amarande | why do computers ship with 'recovery' instead of regular XP discs, anyway |
| 02:44.28 | asg | Decepticon: not at all, put them in a pastbin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 02:44.30 | Azar | :) hehe can't have it both |
| 02:44.43 | yasser | shogunx: but it has imp data on it...how can i remove it? |
| 02:44.43 | lina-naab | got a little question... how can i make metacity not steal my *alt*? |
| 02:44.48 | asg | Amarande: so you have to install the bundled crap instead of a vanilla system. |
| 02:45.01 | asg | Amarande: s#bundled crap#spyware# |
| 02:45.29 | shogunx | yasser mount the partition and backup your data first? |
| 02:45.42 | Decepticon | asg, here is before http://pastebin.ca/471721 and here is after http://pastebin.ca/471724 |
| 02:45.54 | Decepticon | asg is that the correct format? |
| 02:46.29 | asg | Decepticon: looks good |
| 02:46.33 | Azar | abrotman, I saved this pic for you : http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/bunny.png |
| 02:46.46 | Decepticon | alright thanks |
| 02:46.49 | asg | Decepticon: run whatever synaptics version of 'apt-get update' is to refresh the sources and you should be golden |
| 02:47.03 | Mr_Dave | there's no need for me to be in ##windows |
| 02:47.15 | helfrez | anyone else had ny problems with nvidia drivers n etch, i have a 7900 i cant get stable in etch to save my life...has a onboard mcp51 whic is also showing errors and might be related |
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| 02:47.17 | abrotman | Azar: you're a strange man |
| 02:47.20 | abrotman | or creature |
| 02:47.34 | asg | abrotman: it's your wishlist he's looking at you know |
| 02:47.35 | helfrez | tried older 8776 drivers and new alsa drivers |
| 02:47.52 | Azar | abrotman: you know, I shop for books at amazon sometimes, and I could say that example is not uncommon.. |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | asg: no .. mine has Bob Saget videos |
| 02:48.18 | Nemoder | anyone here play with hotswapping SATA drives? libata says it supports it in 2.6.19+ but I'm not able to mount my drive if it's plugged in hot |
| 02:48.32 | asg | abrotman: mine had feminine hygiene products and books on selinux and kernel internals last I checked |
| 02:48.49 | lina-naab | got a little question... how can i make metacity not steal my *alt*? *repeating myself* |
| 02:49.05 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 02:49.06 | asg | lina-naab: #gnome on irc.gnome.org probably knows if nobody here does |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | asg: you know .. the odd part isn't that you have those girlie things .. but that mrs asg thinks far enough ahead to get SuperSaverShipping on them |
| 02:49.30 | lina-naab | asg: thanks |
| 02:49.34 | xq | i love my amazon prime |
| 02:49.40 | asg | abrotman: yeah, she's very thrifty. She thinks selinux is porn |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | asg: isn't she a teacher? |
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| 02:49.59 | Azar | :)teeheee! |
| 02:49.59 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | asg: ah .. ok |
| 02:50.08 | asg | abrotman: though not of porn |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:53.34 | asg | abrotman: I think I'm going to buy a slug tomorrow |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | asg: can't you just dig one up ? |
| 02:53.48 | abrotman | they're fun with salt |
| 02:54.00 | asg | abrotman: yeah, there are plenty here but not ones that run Debian |
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| 02:54.16 | abrotman | asg: do you have a local place that sells them ? |
| 02:54.30 | asg | abrotman: just going to buy one from amazon. Less that $100 |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 02:54.53 | yasser | im rebuilding boot sector with test disk....now its saying: cluster 266, dir / found? answer yes, no or abort |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | asg: wouoldn't you rather buy a half-stack ? |
| 02:55.18 | asg | abrotman: I had one at one point but my brother sold it for crack. I have a POD now, which suffices. |
| 02:55.32 | labanux | anyone know how to make my Intel Pro Wireless 3945 a/b/b works with Etch? |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | asg: go to amazon and search for "nslu" .. and see the third result |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 02:55.55 | abrotman | bot? |
| 02:56.02 | helfrez | labanux, atheros? |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | helfrez: no |
| 02:56.15 | asg | abrotman: haha, that rocks |
| 02:56.19 | labanux | helfrez: intel 3945 abg |
| 02:56.19 | helfrez | nvrmind i read IBm not intel |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | %find ipw3945 etch |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | ~find ipw3945 etch |
| 02:57.01 | labanux | i've download the ipw3945d and firmware3945, then installed it |
| 02:57.08 | labanux | but it doesn't work |
| 02:57.21 | Guerin | labanux: then you didn't do it right |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | asg: it's a bit odd |
| 02:57.30 | labanux | i've tried modprobe ipw3945, it returns some error message |
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| 02:57.46 | labanux | Guerin: so how do the right one? |
| 02:57.55 | Guerin | labanux: how did you do it this time? |
| 02:57.57 | asg | abrotman: oh, my amazon suggested items has now changed. Looks like IT Management books, Casino Royale, Spiderman 2 (nfc why that's there) and a shitload of watches make the list. |
| 02:58.24 | asg | abrotman: oh, and snackbar essentials |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | asg: put some hillary duff on your wish list just to mess it up |
| 02:58.31 | Guerin | spiderman == arse |
| 02:58.36 | asg | Guerin: agreed |
| 02:58.50 | Azar | asg funny just yesterday was reading about slug: http://linuxgazette.net/138/kapil.html |
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| 02:59.11 | asg | Azar: yeah, I'm going to replace my aging P200 with one |
| 02:59.12 | labanux | Guerin: i've download the ipw3945.xxx.deb, and firmware-ipw3945.xxx.deb for etch, then installed it using dpkg -i |
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| 02:59.31 | labanux | Guerin: any step that I miss? |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | apt: you are so slow |
| 02:59.54 | apt | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 02:59.54 | Azar | good evening honorable Guerin |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.03 | Guerin | labanux: yes, you probably need to build it, since it's pewr-kernel. m-a prepare && m-a a-i ipw3945-source might do it |
| 03:01.10 | Amarande | hmm, what does amazon want me to buy |
| 03:01.25 | xq | * |
| 03:01.27 | Decepticon | i did the apt-get update and im looking to upgrade all my sarge packages, but synaptic is giving me this message about "Mark upgrades in a smart way? The default upgrade method skips upgrades that would introducte conflicts or require installation of additional packages. The smart upgrade (dist-upgrade) attempts to resolve conflicts and to fulfill all dependencies of upgrades in a smart way." what is this? |
| 03:01.27 | Decepticon | it says the upgrades will be marked only you still have to apply them afterwards. Cancel/Default upgrade/smart upgrade |
| 03:01.34 | labanux | Guerin : so I can't do it only with installing the deb files? |
| 03:02.37 | Guerin | labanux: not unless you magically have the same kernel as the person who made the .debs. Why aren't you following some sort of howto instead of randomly guessing what you're doing? |
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| 03:04.14 | Amarande | hmm, amazon wants me to buy a bunch of D&D supplements, a couple of Ashanti albums, and more Playstation 2 memory cards |
| 03:04.17 | labanux | Guerin : ok.. thanx.. |
| 03:05.24 | az-debian | ?????can anyone tell me how to configure gnome-mount to load partitions in read-write mode ? ?? |
| 03:05.43 | Guerin | asg: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
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| 03:07.18 | Azar | uh? |
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| 03:07.33 | labanux | Guerin: uhmm..., but I can compile the ipw3945 source, cause i don't have any compiler. And I alsa can do apt-get |
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| 03:07.41 | abrotman | Azar: laggy bot i presume |
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| 03:08.22 | Azar | :) I am not the only coocoo... people using debian to try the best of command line! :) |
| 03:08.25 | labanux | I mean can't do apt-get to install the compiler package? |
| 03:08.35 | Azar | http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2007/05/a_month_on_the_command_line_da.html |
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| 03:08.52 | Azar | I had about more than one year command line only |
| 03:10.34 | Azar | ..heh he didn't tried feh yet |
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| 03:10.34 | hark | labanux: what kernel? |
| 03:11.19 | Guerin | labanux: why? |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 03:12.41 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 03:13.12 | osi | help with flash 9 and firefox 2. it crashes... |
| 03:13.23 | abrotman | you mean iceweasel ? |
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| 03:17.37 | Azar | osi what the heck are you using in the first place? |
| 03:18.33 | Azar | hmmm my screen does not show any lag... |
| 03:18.41 | Azar | !etch |
| 03:18.41 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 03:19.29 | Azar | abrotman: are we in lala land now? |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | Azar: just you |
| 03:19.46 | Azar | nasty |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:20.13 | Azar | man I took you literally |
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| 03:22.30 | Azar | http://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blogspot.com/2007/05/did-microsoft-just-patent-sudo.html << could be? |
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| 03:22.45 | Azar | I am bad at legalese, can't see if is a prank or is for real |
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| 03:24.03 | abrotman | Azar: way too much prior art |
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| 03:24.28 | cwheeler | yes impossible |
| 03:25.01 | xoz | set irc_display_away=off |
| 03:25.09 | Azar | abrotman: as I read indeed, that what it say... but ms went ahead and patented it anyways on 2000 |
| 03:25.09 | xoz | heh |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | xoz: no! |
| 03:25.25 | Azar | ...read the final comments |
| 03:25.36 | Azar | FUD all over |
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| 03:26.33 | Azar | ok what is going on.... everyone else is muted? errrr devoiced? |
| 03:26.49 | cwheeler | a guy in australia got a patent on the wheel, called it a "circular transportation device" |
| 03:27.01 | Azar | hahahahaha!!! good one |
| 03:27.38 | concept10 | apple just got the patent on beryl |
| 03:27.39 | xoz | microsoft is patenting sudo |
| 03:27.47 | concept10 | for read |
| 03:27.51 | concept10 | *real |
| 03:27.56 | Azar | xoz: already patented it |
| 03:28.08 | Azar | to fool its core noobs |
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| 03:28.18 | xoz | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Did_Microsoft_just_patent_sudo |
| 03:28.40 | Azar | xoz: look at the link I just posted ^^^^ up |
| 03:28.46 | Azar | we were talking about that |
| 03:28.53 | xoz | heh, late |
| 03:28.55 | cwheeler | well patent is invalid, but of course every patent is assumed to be valid until it's found invalid by a court |
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| 03:29.16 | cwheeler | but they won't sue anyone over it, it'd be a joke |
| 03:29.20 | Azar | cwheeler: like the guy said: they will never sue in order not to lose the fake patent |
| 03:29.26 | cwheeler | like the compress patent |
| 03:29.47 | cwheeler | slackware always included patented stuff and no one ever did anything |
| 03:29.53 | concept10 | well, I hope apple is not successful with the patent on the cube on the desktop |
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| 03:30.16 | endra | hey guys |
| 03:30.33 | endra | I have a problem, whenever I open KDM, it opens some weird ass login screen instead of the kde one |
| 03:30.47 | xoz | it is nice to have internet, it is easier to verify the truth. |
| 03:30.49 | cwheeler | it says m$ filed the patent app in 2000, has anything happened yet? |
| 03:31.02 | xq | true, xoz |
| 03:31.08 | Azar | cwheeler: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6775781.PN.&OS=PN/6775781&RS=PN/6775781 << ton of legalese to scare noobs |
| 03:31.22 | cwheeler | doesn't scare me |
| 03:31.41 | abrotman | noobs read patents ? |
| 03:31.48 | cwheeler | also only binaries are covered under patent law, it's only illegal to "practice the patent" |
| 03:31.56 | xoz | abrotman: good point |
| 03:32.06 | cwheeler | so you can legally distribute the source which people can compile themselves |
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| 03:32.18 | abrotman | you can patent a method IIRC |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | or idea .. or whatever |
| 03:32.28 | cwheeler | of course they could be violating the patent but there are 10000000000s of us to sue |
| 03:32.37 | endra | http://www.amigans.com/efika/gnome_login.jpg <-- see that weird circle in the background, taht is what KDM opens up but its greenish not blue, then when I login to that, it starts up KDE |
| 03:32.37 | Guerin | cwheeler: distributed blame responsibility, I like it |
| 03:32.56 | cwheeler | yeah like trying to swap a million mosquitoes |
| 03:32.58 | Guerin | it's a lot harder to sue each end-user than the distributor |
| 03:33.11 | cwheeler | well did anything ever happen over the gif compression patent? |
| 03:33.25 | Guerin | nope, only GNU cared |
| 03:33.34 | Azar | in any case I guess this will cause some stirr around... |
| 03:33.40 | cwheeler | i never heard of any suits, slackware linux included the patented stuff in binary the whole time |
| 03:33.55 | cwheeler | can't be unix unless you have compress :) |
| 03:34.05 | Azar | cwheeler: the way I read , gif is now on the free side... |
| 03:34.13 | cwheeler | the patent expired |
| 03:34.18 | Azar | yeah |
| 03:34.22 | cwheeler | as did the public key patent |
| 03:34.41 | cwheeler | it wasn't .gif that was patented it was the compression algorithm |
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| 03:35.07 | endra | brb restaritng x |
| 03:36.03 | Guerin | cwheeler: debian doesn't care too much about patents, either |
| 03:36.17 | Guerin | except those which are currently being enforced, such as fraunhofer's |
| 03:36.37 | cwheeler | what patent is fraunhofer's? |
| 03:36.49 | stew | mp3 |
| 03:37.13 | Guerin | only encoding, though - decoding is still a-ok |
| 03:37.17 | cwheeler | seems like i read it's questionable |
| 03:37.33 | Guerin | although red hat did piss everyone off in about 2003 by leaving it out |
| 03:37.54 | cwheeler | the public key patent was questionable too, they sued over it but kept any case from ever coming to trial |
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| 03:38.04 | cwheeler | apparently they knew they'd loose |
| 03:38.09 | Guerin | cwheeler: not really. They're on the record saying they won't pursue decoders, taking them at their word is fair. |
| 03:38.29 | cwheeler | and a week before the patent expired they donated it to the public domain for more good press |
| 03:38.47 | Guerin | yeh |
| 03:39.00 | cwheeler | they were clever |
| 03:39.00 | Azar | heheh ZoIP heard of it? a guy developed Zork over the phone |
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| 03:39.01 | admin_ | How do I do: Do not install as root: make /usr/local/zenoss writable for the zenoss user |
| 03:39.03 | Amarande | They *want* people to distribute decoders, that way more people will pay licenses for encoders |
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| 03:39.25 | padillano | hi all....... any body know how to migrate from Maildir courier IMAP to cyrus format? |
| 03:39.28 | cwheeler | i'm sure we'll always be able to get the encoder somewhere |
| 03:39.28 | Guerin | admin_: man chmod |
| 03:39.40 | admin_ | Guerin: gah, I nkow what chmod is, just please tell me |
| 03:39.41 | Guerin | admin_: that sounds like an amazingly bad and retarded idea. |
| 03:39.57 | Guerin | admin_: man chmod, ffs |
| 03:39.59 | Gryfelhase | now, what happens, if i bought a vesion of nero some years agio for windows..... allows me this mp3-encoder-licence to use it on another encoder? :) |
| 03:40.03 | admin_ | gah |
| 03:40.14 | Guerin | Gryfelhase: no. |
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| 03:40.39 | Guerin | Gryfelhase: it allowed Ahead to build their binary of Nero for you. |
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| 03:42.48 | Amarande | Azar, a z-code interpreter for mobile phones doesn't sound too far fetched to me :) |
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| 03:43.32 | shogunx | of course, you could always encode your mp3's on a machine that is beyond the grasp of those laws... |
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| 03:43.53 | j4cbo | or just use flac :) |
| 03:43.59 | Amarande | shogunx, there's always being a scofflaw, too heh |
| 03:44.32 | shogunx | very true. most law is bought and paid for anyway. I do what i like, personally. |
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| 03:48.51 | erpo | How do I determine while repository a package is coming from? I tried apt-cache show packagename, but that's not telling me what I want to know. |
| 03:49.25 | hark | apt-cache policy |
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| 03:50.01 | padillano | hi all....... any body know how to migrate from Maildir courier IMAP to cyrus format? |
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| 03:50.43 | erpo | hark: That's not doing it. Maybe I haven't explained properly. I have some external repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list. I want to know which one a particular package is in. |
| 03:51.09 | hark | erpo: that should tell you |
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| 03:53.22 | hark | erpo: get it? |
| 03:53.47 | scott_ | Hi everyone, I have a virtual machine running on a debian etch box, and the virtual machien can ping out fine but no one can ping into the virtual machine. I think I need to enable ip forwarding or something, anyone know how to do that? |
| 03:54.30 | erpo | hark: It doesn't with that particular package. When I run apt-cache policy kicker, it tells me where kicker came from. But, when I run apt-cache policy otherpackagename, it tells me /var/lib/dpkg/status instead of a repository spec. |
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| 03:55.07 | hark | erpo: then you might have manually installed it... a dpkg -i maybe |
| 03:55.43 | erpo | hark: Aha. Yeah, that's what I did. Silly me. |
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| 03:59.46 | Azar | hmm interesting ... javascript is a garbage (I had that feeling) collected language (that I am just learning about) |
| 03:59.57 | xq | haha |
| 04:00.10 | j4cbo | javascript is actually a nice language |
| 04:00.13 | xq | nice synopsis |
| 04:00.36 | j4cbo | it has its flaws, but the prototype-inheritance thing is fun to work with and unique |
| 04:00.37 | xq | but it is written to 'get things done' in as little code as possible mainly for the web :) |
| 04:00.56 | Azar | ok if ie and firefox are the two browsers most commonly associated with memory leaks in javascript ... which is the browser that is not affected? |
| 04:01.17 | xq | ;) |
| 04:01.24 | j4cbo | the DOM is a tremendous pile of excrement, though. |
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| 04:02.02 | Azar | there are still morons out there that have their sites accept ie only |
| 04:03.21 | Sweetandy | Azar: Growl. |
| 04:04.12 | xq | . |
| 04:04.34 | Azar | hey I had a Tandy PC once... |
| 04:05.06 | iter | I had a timex sinclair |
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| 04:05.11 | iter | it chowned |
| 04:05.29 | iter | it would squeal my BASIC programs to cassette tape |
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| 04:07.54 | donaldo | lvm question: can i add a new phyiscal volume to a volume group after it has been created? can i still do that if i have striping enabled? |
| 04:08.43 | eeyore- | xq: have you heard of smalltalk-80? |
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| 04:10.06 | erpo | donaldo: man vgextend |
| 04:10.16 | donaldo | thanks erpo |
| 04:10.16 | Gryfelhase | I had a casio-chronograph with calculator ;) |
| 04:10.22 | iter | anyone ever use postfixadmin ? |
| 04:10.23 | erpo | donaldo: no |
| 04:10.30 | erpo | s/no/np/ |
| 04:10.41 | iter | wondering if it's worth the effort to setup |
| 04:10.49 | eeyore- | donaldo: not sure about striping, but the point of having lvm is so you could add more storage at any point in time (so yes, adding a pv to a vg is perfectly fine, providing your filesystem can handle the growth) |
| 04:11.03 | Azar | man if the news are true, I am losing my email with yahoo.. |
| 04:11.17 | Azar | mister eeyore- !! long time no see |
| 04:11.44 | erpo | iter: Never used it myself. However, a friend of mine is a professional sysadmin who uses postfix and claims to like it. |
| 04:12.11 | Azar | erpo: many claim to like postfix, I was never able to set it up... newbie |
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| 04:12.41 | tabris|away | postfix tends ot be easier than sendmail. loads easier than qmail. |
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| 04:12.53 | tabris|away | Exim tends to be simpler to setup but harder to extend. |
| 04:13.01 | iter | hehe not trying to start a mta war |
| 04:13.07 | tabris|away | nor I. |
| 04:13.10 | Guerin | impossible |
| 04:13.11 | iter | I use qmail on my bsd box |
| 04:13.15 | iter | it was a PITA to setup |
| 04:13.21 | tabris|away | I've used qmail, and postfix. and hacked on Exim. |
| 04:13.24 | Guerin | as soon as anyoine mentions qmail, i see red mist |
| 04:13.25 | iter | postfix was about 5 mins of setup to get working |
| 04:13.34 | iter | just wonding about this php fronend for admin of it |
| 04:13.43 | tabris|away | i only did qmail for ONE reason. b/c I thought it woudl get me a job |
| 04:13.49 | iter | haha |
| 04:13.52 | tabris|away | which it didn't. |
| 04:13.58 | Guerin | gutted |
| 04:14.00 | Azar | Guerin: mail itself is nothing but a source of spam.. |
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| 04:15.15 | Kassah | is there a way to make a seperate partition hold /etc/ ? |
| 04:15.30 | iter | anyone run a mta in virtualbox? |
| 04:15.43 | Kassah | as far as I can tell... bootup goes crazy when I do it in setup because it can't find fstab |
| 04:16.09 | xoz_ | Kassah: /etc should be in same partition with root |
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| 04:16.28 | iter | we're getting some nice new poweredge 1950s with 4gb ram and xeon 5150s .. definitely enough to play with virtualization |
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| 04:16.48 | Kassah | xoz_: is there a reason for this? other than holding files needed for bootup... |
| 04:16.58 | j4cbo | iter: sweet |
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| 04:17.22 | iter | yeah and I may have to hand off this mta once it's all setup and running |
| 04:17.22 | xoz_ | Kassah: most of the necessary things to boot are in /etc and if you place it in different partition, the mounting may happen later than necessary. |
| 04:17.36 | iter | soooooo virtualization might be a real option |
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| 04:17.47 | endra | hey |
| 04:18.01 | Kassah | xoz_: ahh k... |
| 04:18.02 | iter | right now I have it all working nicely on a frankenbox |
| 04:18.04 | endra | I'm having a problem with X, I'm trying to setup twinview and my second monitor shows incomming data but its not displaying it on screen |
| 04:18.35 | endra | It tells me it can receive 400 some hertz horizontally and 130 some kH vertically |
| 04:19.25 | donaldo | thanks eeyore- , i don't know where my mind is at... very tired |
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| 04:24.41 | daya | any one have idea how to allow active ftp connection from the clinet behind the natted firewall implemented in Linux |
| 04:24.59 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 04:25.00 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
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| 04:25.36 | rizza | anyone know debian installer and preseeding |
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| 04:26.09 | streuner | no, d-i doesn't support preseeding |
| 04:26.53 | rizza | It does support preseeding I'm doing it right now |
| 04:27.55 | Azar | hehehe! http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?pfp=BROWSE&N=200887+408377&product_code=51422384&Pn=Handheld_Calculator_W_Cover |
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| 04:28.37 | Amarande | streuner: ftp has been a good part of the internet |
| 04:28.49 | Amarande | especially when it comes to, say, anonymous download archives |
| 04:28.57 | iter | or ... the scene |
| 04:29.00 | Azar | streuner: sarge did support preseeding, as I recall? |
| 04:29.17 | Amarande | streuner, you're not actually going to say web download services are better, are you? |
| 04:29.27 | Amarande | ones where you have to view about 14 zillion ads to download just one file at a time :| |
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| 04:29.45 | Amarande | I remember the time when if you wanted, say, a DOOM WAD, you downloaded it |
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| 04:30.08 | streuner | anon ftp is ok |
| 04:30.27 | Amarande | I think what really killed ftp was no ad revenue, and the fact that wu-ftpd was ridden with root shell holes for years |
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| 04:30.49 | xq | i still prefer ftp |
| 04:30.49 | iter | killed? |
| 04:30.55 | Azar | stoned: what is your mount point? |
| 04:31.18 | iter | I don't think ftp is going anywhere personally |
| 04:31.24 | xq | me either |
| 04:32.03 | fholmes | ftp is dead. SFTP is the way to go. |
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| 04:32.50 | Guerin | !ftpmustdie |
| 04:32.50 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:33.02 | iter | I use both daily.. |
| 04:33.05 | Azar | never used it.. |
| 04:33.06 | Guerin | iter: you have my condolences |
| 04:33.24 | iter | :P |
| 04:34.45 | xoz | !ip_nat_ftp |
| 04:34.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ip_nat_ftp is /* So there I am, in the middle of my `netfilter-is-wonderful' talk in Sydney, and someone asks `What happens if you try to enlarge a 64k packet here?'. I think I said something eloquent like `fuck'. */ -- linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat_ftp.c, lines 119-122 |
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| 04:35.39 | xq | haha |
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| 04:37.44 | Amarande | fholmes, I don't see the purpose of SFTP for, say, a typical anonymous ftp archive |
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| 04:39.57 | iter | ftpmustdie is awesome |
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| 04:40.15 | unlink | yeah' |
| 04:40.29 | iter | that being said ftp still has plenty of life in it |
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| 04:43.50 | xq | pretty much |
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| 04:48.00 | spacefrog | How can i send data to my serial port? |
| 04:48.50 | iter | if you want a terminal you can use screen |
| 04:48.58 | Amarande | I want my old anonymous FTP archives back |
| 04:48.59 | iter | screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 04:49.04 | Amarande | I'm tired of these ad-ridden, slow web services |
| 04:49.50 | xoz | i want the postoffice guy to deliver my email and ftp files!!! |
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| 05:12.05 | metrics | heyo all... |
| 05:12.44 | metrics | I've got a problem with beryl that was working until I upgraded libxrandr2 (or so it seems from here: http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=135) |
| 05:13.10 | metrics | Does anybody know if there's a bug report for this yet or where it would be (it's not under libxrandr2) |
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| 05:18.26 | Kevin` | ubearable tedium empty of meaning? bah.. |
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| 05:19.37 | kairu0 | exactly |
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| 05:20.54 | Soul_Mx | Hi. |
| 05:21.03 | Soul_Mx | Where can I find a complete boot options list for kernel 2.6.18-4-486? |
| 05:21.43 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: I'm not sure. what are you looking for in particular? |
| 05:23.31 | nvz_ | "POST http://82.96.96.3:802/ HTTP/1.0" I'm getting those in my apache access log followed by a CONNECT what is this idiot trying to do exactly? its being responded to with a 405 so whatever it is doesnt seem to be working |
| 05:23.32 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: How can I boot with option hda=remap63? |
| 05:23.32 | Kevin` | nvz_ proxy scan most likely |
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| 05:24.06 | nvz_ | Kevin`: hmm I dont recognize that IP the originating IP is the same as the IP used in the POST/CONNECT |
| 05:24.20 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 05:24.30 | Kevin` | nvz_ no reason it has to be, but that makes it slightly odder |
| 05:24.38 | nvz_ | Kevin`: I am also being routinely hit up with a Get / about 50 times daily from someone in my subnet.. heh |
| 05:25.08 | nvz_ | Kevin`: I still have the default apache place holder page and no listing access.. you have to know what you are after to find anything :P |
| 05:26.15 | acehigh | anyone good with wireless setup? I just installed debian 4.0 and it does not see my wireless card |
| 05:26.29 | acehigh | any good documentation would be helpful |
| 05:26.32 | nvz_ | I am thinking the 24.3.175.115 is my ISP scanning for servers, though I have no idea who 82.96.96.3 is |
| 05:27.04 | nvz_ | I think when I did a whois it was in germany |
| 05:27.13 | nvz_ | had ton of information including a phone number |
| 05:27.19 | acehigh | do a trace on it |
| 05:27.32 | nvz_ | I generally dont do that |
| 05:27.57 | nvz_ | start port scanning and tracing everyone that hits my box unidentified.. heh |
| 05:28.07 | Amarande | ISP port scans are lame :| |
| 05:28.16 | Amarande | anyone who's going to run a server on such an ISP |
| 05:28.28 | Amarande | knows better, and will put in the necessary firewall blocks to make it look like they're not |
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| 05:28.38 | nvz_ | if they are hitting my one listening port and its running a perfectly secure Httpd and they are getting 4xx error codes.. hell with em.. heh |
| 05:29.03 | Amarande | If I run things like ircd and such, I will tend to run it on a nonstandard high port anyway |
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| 05:29.23 | Amarande | usually in the 30000+ range, and not a number anyone would think of offhand |
| 05:29.26 | nvz_ | yeah I could do that.. I only use it as an easy method of sharing files |
| 05:29.51 | nvz_ | I was using it for a wap gateway for my cell phone and also a local apt mirror |
| 05:29.58 | acehigh | nvz_, i was meaning a trace on the ip to see the route its coming from |
| 05:30.06 | nvz_ | but its slowly becomming just a host for mp3s I record |
| 05:30.36 | acehigh | hehe isnt that the norm now days |
| 05:30.41 | acehigh | anyone good with wireless setup? I just installed debian 4.0 and it does not see my wireless card |
| 05:30.44 | acehigh | any good documentation would be helpful |
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| 05:31.04 | nvz_ | well I just got this shitty lil conference mic.. best I can do right now |
| 05:31.17 | Guerin | acehigh: what card? |
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| 05:31.33 | acehigh | in unix it comes up as a ath0 |
| 05:31.41 | nvz_ | I made a few sample recordings so far, still trying to figure out how to record an acoustic guitar with a conference mic that isnt designed to pickup sounds of that range |
| 05:31.43 | acehigh | dlink though g510 |
| 05:31.43 | Guerin | acehigh: some sort of atheros |
| 05:31.56 | Soul_Mx | Where can I find a complete boot options list for kernel 2.6.18-4-486? |
| 05:31.57 | acehigh | yea basically |
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| 05:32.26 | acehigh | Guerin, i prefer module loading if i can |
| 05:32.41 | acehigh | as i change hardware out regularly |
| 05:32.46 | Guerin | http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 05:32.47 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: sorry to take so long. I'm not really sure if hda=remap63 is a valid kernel boot option ... in fact I kinda doubt it. But it might be. At any rate, you should ask your real question -- what are you trying to do? Why do you need this option? |
| 05:32.56 | nvz | hey whattya know I remembered my new nick password |
| 05:33.39 | Vasistha | acehigh: what kinda wireless care have you got? Specifically, what radio? |
| 05:33.42 | nvz | some joker seemed to have stolen my nick and apparently gotten my old password on here yesturday. |
| 05:34.01 | acehigh | atheros type dlink g510 |
| 05:34.04 | Amarande | heh, I remember the days when people would get banned for typing ath0 on irc |
| 05:34.31 | nvz | I don't know what kind of criminal mind could compromise a password like 'elemenohpee' heh |
| 05:35.06 | nvz | heh |
| 05:35.20 | nvz | what, you were using the same password I was ? |
| 05:35.36 | nvz | I changed my password on oftc too just for good measure |
| 05:35.46 | krazykit | the best password is 12345 |
| 05:36.07 | nvz | yep |
| 05:36.29 | Vasistha | someone I know actually uses the password, 123456 |
| 05:36.33 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: Tks. It is a valid kernel boot option. It works in 2.6.8. I need it because my HD had a disk manager (DDO-Ontrack). |
| 05:37.11 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: and is it not working with 2.6.18, or are you not sure how to specify it to grub/lilo, or...? What's the problem? |
| 05:37.45 | nvz | I don't think I use any numeric passkeys anymore except on my bike chain.. and my policy with pure numeric passwords is one-use. I change my bike combo everytime I lock it. not that it matters i come to find out circumventing it is trivial |
| 05:38.15 | Guerin | nvz: wtf |
| 05:38.31 | Vasistha | nvz: ehm ... yeah, I think the way most thieves deal with bike chains is by *cutting* |
| 05:38.42 | Guerin | nvz: the major difference is that you can insure a bike, while you can't realistically ensure the security of your computer |
| 05:38.44 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: I put it in 2.6.18 as I do in 2.6.8... just don't work... |
| 05:39.09 | Soul_Mx | Sorry... doesn't work. |
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| 05:40.17 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: yow, suchs. so you're wondering if the kernel parameters have changed from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 .. another worthwhile avenue to pursue would be to see if support for your disk manager was dropped, or somehow changed |
| 05:40.24 | Vasistha | s/suchs/sucks |
| 05:40.36 | acehigh | Guerin, any other how to's? |
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| 05:41.12 | acehigh | Guerin, im kinda looking for what software nd drivers to load with what commands |
| 05:41.35 | Guerin | acehigh: it depends on your card. The document will tell you. |
| 05:41.59 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: Where can I see if somehao changed? |
| 05:42.09 | Guerin | acehigh: i'd tell you, but i don't know about atheros. You might need to use some crap like madwifi |
| 05:42.12 | nvz | well my bike chain is braided steel cable with rubber coating you'd need a decent tool to cut it.. but its fairly easy to make the lock reveal the combination |
| 05:42.20 | Soul_Mx | somehow |
| 05:42.42 | Guerin | nvz: you mean, like every other bike chain ever made ... nice |
| 05:43.04 | nvz | Guerin: na back in the day they actually used chains |
| 05:43.10 | nvz | they are a lot easier to cut |
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| 05:43.28 | nvz | this one is easier to pick than it is to cut and requires no tools |
| 05:43.52 | lhadji | !ATI |
| 05:43.52 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b |
| 05:44.00 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: I don't know, myself. Have you searched google for your hardware, and linux kernel 2.6, or some variations thereof? |
| 05:44.01 | Guerin | nvz: almost all bike locks I've ever seen are susceptible to percussive assault |
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| 05:44.50 | nvz | but yeah thats the same ideal I use when I choose pronouncable nickserv passwords.. they are transmitted in plain text.. and they arent really securing much other than my credibility on IRC.. so there's no real need to make it very elaborate or change it that often |
| 05:44.59 | Amarande | braided steel cable with rubber coating ... |
| 05:45.04 | Amarande | nvz, it's not cuendillar, is it? :) |
| 05:45.05 | nvz | if someone wanted it they could get it pretty easily |
| 05:45.12 | Amarande | no? I'll just use balefire then ;) |
| 05:45.12 | Soul_Mx | I did. I'll keep looking. Thank you. :) |
| 05:46.00 | simonrvn | ok, i give up.... i'm having issues with my MTU -- typical pppoe crap, but on the host making the pppoe connection. hosts behind can access the same sites just fine. WTF is going on? how can i fix this? |
| 05:46.12 | nvz | Guerin: yeah mine came with a nifty bracket you mount onto the bike to lock it.. heh if I used that all you'd need is a phillips head screwdriver to take the bracked off and leave the bracket and lock hanging there |
| 05:46.12 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: I did. I'll keep looking. Thank you. :) |
| 05:46.32 | simonrvn | right now it's set to 1400, on ppp0 |
| 05:46.48 | acehigh | Guerin, this is the driver ath_pci.o should it be default installed already? |
| 05:47.04 | simonrvn | stupid issue part 2: i put on a low-end linksys dealie on the same modem and connection, and everything works |
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| 05:47.43 | Vasistha | Soul_Mx: you can also, of course, ask in here, maybe once every half hour. But when you ask in here, it is best to be ultra-specific -- I had to ask you 5 questions to find out what your problem was. When you ask, don't ask for some generic list -- say your disk manager (ddo-ontrack) broke moving from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 and then you're likelier to attract the attention of someone who can actually help |
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| 05:49.30 | Vasistha | !tell acehigh -about madwifi |
| 05:49.46 | Soul_Mx | Vasistha: Ok. I'll do. I will ask like you did. Thank you very much. :) |
| 05:50.28 | Amarande | bleah |
| 05:50.37 | Amarande | pppoe was probably invented by a Darkfriend, anyway :| |
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| 05:50.47 | Amarande | yet another reason I'm glad I use cable |
| 05:51.11 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | hi guys, what is the best linux distribution to be installed on USB flash and that runs under windows? :-) |
| 05:51.15 | simonrvn | pppoX is crap. it's cheaper for the isp to run that than something decent |
| 05:51.56 | simonrvn | that however, doesn't help me, it's just commentary ;) |
| 05:52.39 | simonrvn | all the goolging i did is just telling me what i already know, and the common "fixes"... |
| 05:53.08 | simonrvn | i lowered my mtu/mru to like 1290 and it still didn't work |
| 05:53.19 | Vasistha | odkjwodwodjkwodj: well, it's not debian, so we probably can't help you much :P If you need to run in windows, you're looking for an *emulator*, not a distro |
| 05:54.01 | simonrvn | odkjwodwodjkwodj: none of the above |
| 05:54.01 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | yeah whatever, just give me a link |
| 05:54.07 | nvz | heh |
| 05:54.19 | simonrvn | yeh whatever, go look for it yourself, with that crap craptitude |
| 05:54.24 | Vasistha | odkjwodwodjkwodj: http://www.google.com |
| 05:54.28 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | lol |
| 05:54.54 | acehigh | Vasistha, that would be nice to do except the box does not have internet connection and i will not be able to install the m-a a-i madwifi |
| 05:55.29 | Soul_Mx | :) |
| 05:55.35 | simonrvn | another one for my ignore list |
| 05:55.37 | Vasistha | acehigh: ohhhh. Any way of getting a wired connection to get you jump-started? |
| 05:55.40 | acehigh | hehe i like that |
| 05:55.52 | acehigh | unlikely |
| 05:56.09 | acehigh | unless i can connect to the wireless |
| 05:56.21 | simonrvn | nvz: what they need is get laid |
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| 05:56.28 | simonrvn | all that tension |
| 05:56.32 | Vasistha | nvz: for example, a smiting? |
| 05:56.43 | simonrvn | is to* |
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| 05:57.32 | acehigh | Vasistha, any ideas? |
| 05:57.59 | nvz | I hate when people say that. Need to get laid.. heh like its some kind of OTC drug you just go pickup at the drug store |
| 05:58.06 | acehigh | i can download on the computer im ircing from and install that way if needed |
| 05:58.17 | Guerin | acehigh: trying to exist in a wireless-only world these days is retarded |
| 05:58.21 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | Vasistha, simonrvn somebody actually helped! hehe |
| 05:58.24 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | _|_ |
| 05:58.29 | Guerin | plug that other box into a network |
| 05:59.03 | simonrvn | nvz: no, something you go ask your partner to help ;) |
| 05:59.25 | Guerin | simonrvn: no! don't get him started about his emo grilfiend! |
| 05:59.37 | nvz | heh |
| 05:59.47 | simonrvn | you with a woman now? cool :) |
| 05:59.57 | nvz | she called me lame cause I wouldnt go to the bar with her and her friends tonight |
| 05:59.58 | Guerin | FSVO `with' |
| 05:59.59 | acehigh | Guerin, if i wanted to get technical they shoul hav included the package in the 3 dvd's i ownloaded |
| 06:00.06 | nvz | she's not my girlfriend anyhow |
| 06:00.16 | simonrvn | sex buddy? |
| 06:00.18 | Soul_Mx | My disk manager (DDO-Ontrack) broke moving from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18. It works in 2.6.8 with boot option hda=remap63. Can someone tell me how can I do in 2.6.18-4-486? |
| 06:00.19 | Guerin | acehigh: impossible, since it needs to be built per-kernel. |
| 06:00.30 | nvz | na, I wouldn't fuck her with a stolen dick |
| 06:00.35 | acehigh | nvm |
| 06:00.35 | simonrvn | platonic friend? |
| 06:00.42 | simonrvn | ah, platonic |
| 06:00.50 | nvz | she's a pain in my ass is what she is |
| 06:00.54 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 06:00.56 | Guerin | `platonic' implies wisdom, though |
| 06:01.01 | nvz | I've told her goodbye a dozen times |
| 06:01.08 | simonrvn | i get it now |
| 06:01.20 | nvz | she wants me to be her gay friend.. an intellectual whore |
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| 06:01.30 | nvz | I wanna marry her. |
| 06:01.50 | nvz | so obviously its not gonna work out |
| 06:01.54 | simonrvn | now i don't get it |
| 06:02.02 | nvz | heh. me either |
| 06:02.24 | acehigh | she wants a friend and he wants more simple as that |
| 06:02.29 | odkjwodwodjkwodj | bye penguins |
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| 06:02.33 | nvz | I'm all caught up on a girl who just wants to "talk" |
| 06:02.42 | nvz | acehigh: yep basically |
| 06:02.55 | acehigh | im married hince why i understand |
| 06:02.58 | simonrvn | lights suddenly beams over my head *ding* |
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| 06:03.02 | acehigh | :) |
| 06:03.11 | simonrvn | so am i |
| 06:03.17 | simonrvn | 13 years |
| 06:03.24 | Soul_Mx | See you... Tks. |
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| 06:03.37 | Guerin | simonrvn: deb and I are doing our honeymoon road trip again this anniversary |
| 06:03.45 | simonrvn | woot woot |
| 06:03.51 | Guerin | without warning any of the relatives at whose houses we're going to turn up |
| 06:03.55 | xoz | maybe you are now in a *friend* zone. you should avoid it at all cost!!! |
| 06:03.56 | Guerin | with beer |
| 06:03.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:04.13 | Guerin | it'll be at the time of the rugby world cup, too |
| 06:04.26 | nvz | I've been in the friend zone since like '01 or so |
| 06:04.40 | acehigh | xoz, no he is in that platonic friend zone thats a good thing |
| 06:04.53 | nvz | I left the friend zone.. she wants me back. I'm tired of it |
| 06:04.59 | acehigh | break glass just in case deal |
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| 06:05.28 | xoz | nvz: she has a sister? |
| 06:05.30 | nvz | She's selfish.. she's not even a good friend.. |
| 06:05.36 | Amarande | xoz, the whole notion of a friend zone is a bogosity, anyway |
| 06:05.38 | acehigh | ouch |
| 06:05.40 | nvz | yeah she's got two sisters but they are too young for me |
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| 06:06.03 | Amarande | most of the 'how to get women' canards are usually written by one of two groups |
| 06:06.08 | Amarande | 1) crusty frustrated guys ranting |
| 06:06.09 | acehigh | nvz, selfish equals a very hard relationship |
| 06:06.10 | Guerin | nvz: so there's 20 years or so between them? |
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| 06:06.30 | Guerin | Amarande: and car salesmen |
| 06:06.33 | nvz | heh, no she's like 22, they are 17 and 15.. ie. too young for me |
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| 06:06.40 | xoz | your age divided 2 + 7 is still ok from statistics point of view of average age. |
| 06:06.43 | Amarande | or 2) wait, I think 1) summed it up |
| 06:07.04 | simonrvn | s,crusty,crufty, |
| 06:07.25 | Amarande | There is this notion, for instance, that you do not want to be friends with a woman before you get into a relationship with her. |
| 06:07.34 | Amarande | This is supposedly bad, this means you're in the friend zone and that's that. |
| 06:07.35 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 06:07.51 | Amarande | Whereas true wisdom suggests you really should get to know a woman and be her friend before you plunge into something serious. |
| 06:08.03 | nvz | yeah thats my take on it |
| 06:08.08 | simonrvn | whomever came up with that one should be shot. bingo! |
| 06:08.31 | Amarande | of course, the feelings of uncertainty as you see how things go can be madness |
| 06:08.32 | xoz | how many friends graduate to marriage? |
| 06:08.48 | Amarande | xoz, the proper question might be, of those, what % stay married? |
| 06:08.58 | Amarande | xoz, it's like slam bidding in bridge |
| 06:09.05 | xoz | the rule is, there is no rule. |
| 06:09.08 | Amarande | you can either bid a slam, or you can take your time getting to see if you should be there. :) |
| 06:09.27 | xoz | Amarande: yep, longterm friendship is still not a security for lasting marriage. |
| 06:09.36 | Amarande | you might make more slams overall with the former way, but you'll suffer a lot less doubled undertricks the other way. :) |
| 06:09.45 | simonrvn | it depends on the people... |
| 06:10.26 | simonrvn | all this stuff, just speculation, and vague, (over-)generalised "guidelines"... |
| 06:10.53 | simonrvn | go with it, see what happens. be open to stuff, and KISS |
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| 06:11.48 | Vasistha | So, I'm trying to figure out how/why I have this old 2.6.8 kernel installed which doesn't seem to be inside a package. I've scoured aptitude, and can't find any reference to it. Yet, there it is, in /boot and /lib/modules ... shall I just delete manually? Is there another place where the kernel would likely have files sitting around? |
| 06:12.17 | xoz | Vasistha: just /lib/modules/ |
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| 06:12.41 | Vasistha | xoz: thanks |
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| 06:15.21 | peterS | Vasistha: you tried 'dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.8-whatever'? |
| 06:15.57 | Vasistha | peterS: heh, nope, but it's too late now ;) I'll try it, though |
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| 06:17.41 | Vasistha | not found ... huh. I'm not sure what I must have done wrong ... maybe something to do with using make-kpkg with the wrong params |
| 06:23.22 | acehigh | boy this sucks |
| 06:23.22 | Amarande | maybe you installed that kernel manually instead of debianized |
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| 06:28.59 | Vasistha | Amarande: could be. it was probably one of the first ones I ever successfully compiled. I don't even remember if I was using make-kpkg... oh well. Thankfully, I don't need to compile my own anymore! |
| 06:29.01 | blenna | is lenny stable enough for a server? |
| 06:30.25 | Vasistha | blenna: depends who you ask and how critical it is ... and I suppose, what it's serving |
| 06:30.39 | blenna | ok. does lenny come with glibc 2.3 or 2.4? |
| 06:30.51 | Vasistha | !d.p.o |
| 06:31.15 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 06:31.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see ... |
| 06:31.17 | kth``laptop | blenna; Better be safe than sorry... Etch security updates are enough to keep a server running, lenny package updates = sometimes breakage |
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| 06:34.09 | Amarande | hmm, etch has 2.3 and sid has 2.5, I'm not sure if 2.4 is in any of them |
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| 06:38.21 | LLcoolM | anyone running ngircd on debian? |
| 06:38.25 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 06:38.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:38.54 | LLcoolM | when running chkrootkit with ngircd started, it gives me "Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 6667)" |
| 06:39.20 | LLcoolM | but i compared the binary, it has not been replaced |
| 06:39.37 | LLcoolM | so does the binary already come infected? |
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| 06:47.12 | liable | google for false psitives, i had a 6667 infected port warning once, was a false one |
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| 06:49.05 | maddash | hm, iwlist a certain AP with quality=80/100. I copy the mac address of this router and issue `iwconfig eth1 ap [mac addr]`, which forces my wireless antenna to connect to this particular AP. however, I'm getting a "unassociated / off/any" in `iwconfig eth1` -- what is going on, and what does this mean? |
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| 06:49.47 | acehigh | haha i found the sourceand got the driver loaded |
| 06:49.59 | acehigh | now to config it |
| 06:50.21 | liable | maddash: is it hopping channels? |
| 06:50.55 | maddash | liable: er, no? I think my antenna is aware that the AP is on ch. 6 -- because iwlist knows this... |
| 06:51.15 | maddash | liable: otherwise, I don't know what you mean. |
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| 06:51.32 | liable | that doesnt mean the card isnt hopping channels still scanning |
| 06:51.47 | liable | run iwconfig three times in a row and see the freq |
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| 06:52.24 | maddash | liable: erm, I've got `watch -n.25 iwconfig eth1` and `watch -n.25 iwlist eth1 scan` running in seperate rxvts... |
| 06:53.09 | maddash | liable: could that be the problem? my excessive iwconfig/iwlst polling is distracting my antenna from "hopping" properly? |
| 06:53.15 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 06:53.16 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 06:53.40 | maddash | rahul: why? |
| 06:53.48 | rahul | he missed a great show |
| 06:53.56 | liable | maddash: if anything your constant scanning with iwlist might cause it |
| 06:55.01 | Vasistha | I hate it when people say "pm in the afternoon" or "am in the morning" ... the redundancy just grates on my ears *grumble* |
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| 06:55.16 | maddash | liable: hm, ok, so I'll retry forcing my antenna to the AP by its mac addr, and turn off iwlist polling. any other suggestions, before I disconnect (using the neighbor's wifi right now)? |
| 06:55.17 | rahul | no, this is redundant: http://centurymedia.com/temp/revolvercover/REV0707coverV4.jpg |
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| 06:55.58 | maddash | rahul: a) that's so vulgar b) those aren't "hot chicks" |
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| 06:56.35 | rahul | uh |
| 06:56.40 | rahul | cristina is hot as hell |
| 06:56.47 | rahul | those legs |
| 06:56.52 | Vasistha | rahul: I have no idea why... but I'm glad *that* doesn't come up in my every day life. Next time someone says "am in the morning" I'll remember to be thankful that I'm not being forced to look at revolver magazine |
| 06:57.11 | rahul | the other one is meh |
| 06:57.12 | liable | maddash: nope |
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| 06:57.50 | rahul | actually I had hotter girls than the other one hitting one me tonight |
| 07:00.04 | rahul | my god. |
| 07:00.09 | rahul | cristina makes me melt |
| 07:00.41 | rahul | she's aweomse on stage. just pure energy. |
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| 07:01.20 | maddash | [sigh] how I wish there was a man page on this. |
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| 07:04.41 | spacefrog | are there any benchmarking tools for debian so I can evaluate my machines performance? |
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| 07:05.05 | ka-ching | hi |
| 07:05.09 | maddash | well, yay. |
| 07:05.12 | liable | oops |
| 07:05.14 | liable | yes, make-kpkg kernel_image ;) |
| 07:05.18 | ka-ching | !hi |
| 07:05.19 | dpkg | hello, ka-ching |
| 07:05.20 | maddash | liable: haha. |
| 07:05.34 | maddash | spacefrog: `time make-kpkg [blah]` |
| 07:05.36 | cat | !hello |
| 07:05.36 | dpkg | Hi, cat! |
| 07:05.39 | cat | lol |
| 07:05.54 | ka-ching | hello dpkg |
| 07:06.22 | ka-ching | !seen humanoids |
| 07:06.22 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'humanoids', ka-ching |
| 07:06.31 | maddash | !bot abuse |
| 07:06.41 | ka-ching | in japan dpkg |
| 07:07.25 | ka-ching | japanese humanoids run on linux |
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| 07:09.11 | maddash | hm, you know what would be cool? if I modify the firmware to permanently reject my landlord's mac |
| 07:09.40 | Vasistha | maddash: hum, not such a good relationship with the landlord, huh? |
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| 07:09.54 | ma3x | why X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
| 07:09.54 | ma3x | screen #0 |
| 07:09.55 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.07 | maddash | Vasistha: no. not now, not ever. |
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| 07:10.36 | Vasistha | ma3x: |
| 07:10.38 | Vasistha | !makesense |
| 07:10.39 | dpkg | somebody said makesense was if we can't understand what you want we can't give you an answer. Here's a hint, use complete sentences, proper punctuation and correct spelling. It also helps if you use the correct terminology. And one more thing, no aolspeak. |
| 07:10.47 | ma3x | I try to play something with xv |
| 07:10.51 | maddash | !aolspeak |
| 07:10.51 | ma3x | and it just won't play it |
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| 07:10.57 | ka-ching | lower the gates of the windows fortress , dells goes ubuntu |
| 07:10.57 | maddash | !poke |
| 07:10.58 | dpkg | yeah yeah, i'm here |
| 07:10.59 | ma3x | I typed xvinfo |
| 07:11.02 | valdyn | ma3x: you dont have xv, so what? |
| 07:11.11 | ma3x | valdyn, I need it |
| 07:11.14 | Italy | hi |
| 07:11.16 | ma3x | xv is the quality |
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| 07:11.26 | ma3x | valdyn, how do i enable it |
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| 07:11.31 | Italy | is there anybody that can help me?????????? |
| 07:11.34 | Italy | Plese |
| 07:11.44 | valdyn | ma3x: by using hardware and driver that support xv |
| 07:12.11 | liable | not if you dont ask a question |
| 07:12.11 | ka-ching | IT'S OFFICIAL: DELL TO START SELLING LINUX MACHINES *PIC* http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=103766 |
| 07:12.11 | Vasistha | !tell Italy -about ask |
| 07:12.11 | ma3x | valdyn, why fglrx dont support xv? |
| 07:12.12 | Vasistha | ka-ching: thanks. we've heard. |
| 07:12.12 | Kevin` | dell has sold linux machines on the high end for a while :) |
| 07:12.12 | liable | ka-ching: if you are gonna spam us with news, at least make it new mews :P |
| 07:12.13 | valdyn | ma3x: ask amd, not us |
| 07:12.20 | Wyzard | ma3x: It does |
| 07:12.22 | liable | new news. |
| 07:12.27 | ma3x | this is kinda disappointing |
| 07:12.27 | Italy | How can I download files from Mirc? |
| 07:12.29 | ka-ching | Vasistha: well youd better ;) |
| 07:12.42 | ma3x | all drivers on linux for ati video cards suck |
| 07:12.48 | ma3x | dunno if that's the same with nvidia |
| 07:12.48 | Wyzard | ma3x: You're talking about XVideo, right? |
| 07:12.52 | ma3x | Wyzard, yeah |
| 07:12.58 | Vasistha | Italy: why don't you ask #mirc |
| 07:13.09 | Wyzard | ma3x: afaik, all modern video drivers support XVideo |
| 07:13.17 | Italy | what do you mean? |
| 07:13.25 | ma3x | but when you launch the game in windows with native ati drivers, it has much better graphichs |
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| 07:13.39 | Italy | I don't know how I can dowload files freely |
| 07:13.41 | ma3x | Wyzard, not fglrxd |
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| 07:13.45 | Vasistha | Italy: /join #mirc and then ask your question there. downloading files in Mirc is not on-topic in #debian |
| 07:13.52 | valdyn | ma3x: what does a game have to do with xv? |
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| 07:14.13 | ma3x | valdyn, im just telling it as an addition to why linux drivers suck |
| 07:14.35 | Wyzard | ma3x: If fglrx didn't support XVideo then most video-playing software, such as mplayer, wouldn't work in its default configuration |
| 07:14.38 | cahoot | ma3x: you don't seriously plan to play using linux? |
| 07:14.39 | valdyn | ma3x: google tells me that fglrxs has xv |
| 07:14.43 | Italy | Do you speak italian????? |
| 07:14.52 | ma3x | valdyn, it has not |
| 07:15.00 | valdyn | ma3x: google yourself, maybe you have to enable it explicitely, maybe there's info in the log |
| 07:15.02 | Vasistha | ma3x: ati is pretty awful, yeah. maybe you should support a manufacturer that is linux-friendly, like matrox |
| 07:15.08 | ma3x | if i edit my xorg.conf now and I put ati instead of fglrx , it will have xv |
| 07:15.20 | valdyn | Vasistha: i dont think matrox is an alternative for gaming |
| 07:15.36 | cahoot | valdyn: gnubg runs just fine on matrox |
| 07:15.36 | Vasistha | Italy: not in here, no. If you have a debian question, there's #debian-it ... but I think you want #mirc anyway |
| 07:15.59 | ma3x | cahoot, nexuiz for example - it has 3 times better gfx in windows with ati drivers |
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| 07:16.17 | cahoot | ma3x: so use win for play |
| 07:16.33 | ma3x | yeah |
| 07:16.53 | acehigh | yahoo im online now |
| 07:17.00 | Wyzard | nVidia is preferred for high-end 3D in Linux |
| 07:17.07 | valdyn | ma3x: for xv, use google. There's this Option "VideoOverlay" "on", so i guess fglrx is doing weird stuff |
| 07:17.08 | acehigh | Vasistha, i got it woking through source code |
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| 07:17.18 | dingus9 | Wyzard: and windows |
| 07:17.20 | Vasistha | acehigh: good job ... and it only took you an hour or so. nice. |
| 07:17.27 | ma3x | valdyn, should i turn it off? |
| 07:17.44 | Italy | ok, thanks a lot Vasistha!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:17.47 | Wyzard | ma3x: The overlay is the hardware feature that's used to provide XVideo support |
| 07:17.52 | ma3x | valdyn, it must be default, I have not specified that in xorg.conf |
| 07:17.57 | acehigh | Vasistha, well you lead me in the right direction which is what i needed :) |
| 07:17.59 | ma3x | oh, so it has to be on then |
| 07:18.21 | Italy | Even if i haven't understood a lot.... |
| 07:18.27 | valdyn | ma3x: i have no idea, there must be a reason fglrx is doing what it does, read the log. |
| 07:18.38 | Vasistha | acehigh: glad to be of service |
| 07:18.40 | acehigh | k now to upgrade |
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| 07:19.25 | dingus9 | problem I have a server on the net, and when I ssh to it from my debian box it takes about 20s to pull up a text login, and to the same box it takes for ever to ping |
| 07:20.05 | valdyn | btw, does the intel driver support GLX_texture_from_pixmap _properly_ ( not this nvidia fake crap ) ? |
| 07:20.13 | dingus9 | any have a clue as to my problem |
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| 07:20.40 | acehigh | Vasistha, docs on how and what to edit for upgrading via network? |
| 07:20.42 | ma3x | valdyn, bingo it works now! |
| 07:20.47 | ma3x | how did you know it was videooverlay? |
| 07:20.52 | acehigh | vas been a while since i used debian :) |
| 07:20.58 | valdyn | ma3x: i used google |
| 07:20.59 | Wyzard | valdyn: compiz works on my laptop's i915 |
| 07:21.02 | valdyn | ma3x: i knew nothing |
| 07:21.05 | acehigh | i.e. version 3 |
| 07:21.08 | ma3x | what did you type |
| 07:21.12 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea, well, means nothing |
| 07:21.19 | Wyzard | valdyn: but compiz works on nVidia too... what's "fake" about nVidia's support for that extension? |
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| 07:21.37 | valdyn | Wyzard: i think its in their driver but not really h/w accelerated |
| 07:21.40 | Vasistha | acehigh: you're upgrading from what to what, now? |
| 07:21.48 | valdyn | Wyzard: it breaks down badly under cpu load |
| 07:21.52 | Wyzard | ah |
| 07:22.10 | acehigh | from the cd source to net source i.e. security updates |
| 07:22.16 | valdyn | Wyzard: i get the SAME performance on my radeon 7500 as on a GF6800GT |
| 07:22.37 | ma3x | valdyn, what driver you using? |
| 07:22.38 | valdyn | Wyzard: making me think that nvidia just added software rendering to their driver for this specific extension |
| 07:22.52 | acehigh | Vasistha, does that make sense? |
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| 07:23.19 | Vasistha | acehigh: you used a 4.0r0 net install cd to install etch, and now you want to get security updates? |
| 07:23.24 | valdyn | Wyzard: and 'radeon' explicitely doesnt support it |
| 07:23.25 | Wyzard | valdyn: Well, GLX_texture_from_pixmap doesn't really "render" anything |
| 07:23.35 | Wyzard | valdyn: yeah, ATI hasn't implemented it yet |
| 07:23.47 | acehigh | Vasistha, i used a dvd 4.0 install no net install involved |
| 07:24.48 | valdyn | Wyzard: i do have a raw picture on how this extension works. and performance is horrible |
| 07:24.48 | Vasistha | acehigh: same difference ... either one should have put the security updates into your sources.list by default. You can double-check /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure there's a security.debian.org source there. But in all likelihood, all you need to do is aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 07:25.03 | valdyn | Wyzard: except that i can accept horrible performance on something as old as radeon 7500 |
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| 07:25.30 | acehigh | Vasistha, thats what i needed thanks :) |
| 07:25.42 | acehigh | just didnt know what it was called |
| 07:25.47 | Wyzard | valdyn: What are you doing to test it? |
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| 07:26.14 | Wyzard | valdyn: I've tried compiz on both my laptop (i915) and desktop (nVidia 7600GS) and performance seemed fine in both cases |
| 07:26.30 | Wyzard | valdyn: with the exception of XVideo and OpenGL stuff |
| 07:26.36 | acehigh | Vasistha, any deb recommended sources? |
| 07:26.45 | Vasistha | acehigh: yeah. since it's been a while since you've used debian, I would recommend that you familiarize yourself with the aptitude front-end. Just type 'aptitude' and let it start up. It can be a bit awkward at first, but it's a very powerful tool for managing your packages. There's a great readme at /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 07:26.50 | acehigh | besides cdrom |
| 07:26.51 | valdyn | Wyzard: doing anything with windows in compiz |
| 07:27.02 | Wyzard | valdyn: Just dragging windows around is slow for you? |
| 07:27.08 | Vasistha | !tell acehigh -about mirrors |
| 07:27.10 | Wyzard | valdyn: I had no problems with that on any of my systems |
| 07:27.11 | valdyn | Wyzard: im thinking maybe its also related to agp being _slow_ downloading from the gfx card |
| 07:27.16 | acehigh | cool ill check it out |
| 07:27.38 | valdyn | Wyzard: nah, moving windows is just fine, using pure software rendering |
| 07:27.58 | Wyzard | valdyn: Well, it shouldn't really need to download much from the video card... it's just drawing windows into onscreen buffers, and then drawing those buffers onto the screen with OpenGL |
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| 07:28.32 | Wyzard | valdyn: The first step is basically write-only and the second step should happen entirely within the video card |
| 07:29.26 | Wyzard | valdyn: and now I'm more confused because you'd have to go out of your way to make compiz use "pure software rendering"... did you disable hardware acceleration of OpenGL or something? |
| 07:29.54 | valdyn | Wyzard: i have to use pure software rendering on radeons |
| 07:30.02 | Wyzard | ah, ok, on the radeon |
| 07:30.04 | valdyn | Wyzard: only intel and nvidia have it in their drivers |
| 07:30.08 | Wyzard | What about on your nVidia card? |
| 07:30.20 | Wyzard | That worked fine performance-wise, in my experience |
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| 07:30.41 | Wyzard | on both a 6200 (AGP 8X) and a 7600GS (PCIe x16) |
| 07:30.49 | valdyn | Wyzard: use their driver, get _exactly_ the same performance from it than from this radeon 9600 with LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT |
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| 07:31.19 | dnanar | hi all ! |
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| 07:31.30 | valdyn | Wyzard: nvidia just breaks down on cpu load ,that's annoying, else its ok |
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| 07:32.53 | Wyzard | valdyn: Well, I can't test it myself right now because compiz-gtk conflicts with the new libmetacity0 that went into the archive a few days ago |
| 07:33.09 | valdyn | Wyzard: i think i explained a little wrong: performance is ok unless cpu load. Issue is that using a higher end gfx card gives about nothing compared to using old cruft |
| 07:33.29 | dnanar | i have some problem with cups: when i try to send a file to my printer (default printer) through lp, my printer doesn't print anything. Even after restarting hplip (my printer is a hp deskjet 5740) and cupsys, it doesn't work, and i cant even connect to http://127.0.0.1:631 ! does anyone know how to help me to know what's wrong and how to solve this please ? (im on debian sid) |
| 07:33.40 | acehigh | Vasistha, do i use main contrib on the deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org line for sources.list? |
| 07:33.53 | Vasistha | !sources.list |
| 07:33.54 | dpkg | from memory, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 07:34.02 | valdyn | acehigh: using contrib but not non-free kind of makes few sense |
| 07:34.17 | Wyzard | valdyn: Your bottleneck might not be the GPU though... when a compositing manager is in use, every screen update involves a context switch |
| 07:34.27 | cahoot | dnanar: checked cups's error_log? |
| 07:34.32 | valdyn | Wyzard: yea, probably |
| 07:35.07 | Wyzard | valdyn: I'm curious how Apple works around that, if at all |
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| 07:35.52 | dnanar | cahoot: i didn't know that this file exist ! well there 'is this in my error_log: Unable to bind socket for address 127.0.0.1:631 - Cannot assign requested address. |
| 07:36.01 | valdyn | Wyzard: they have RT priority for any user process |
| 07:36.06 | valdyn | Wyzard: could be just that |
| 07:36.16 | Wyzard | ah |
| 07:36.20 | acehigh | Vasistha, k cool i was wondering cause when i ran apt-get update it failed on 12 |
| 07:36.41 | Wyzard | wait, realtime priority for *all* user processes? |
| 07:36.45 | acehigh | contrib packages failed to download |
| 07:36.52 | valdyn | Wyzard: i mean, they can use it, they dont normally |
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| 07:36.57 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 07:36.58 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 07:37.02 | valdyn | Wyzard: where it needs root in linux still |
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| 07:37.08 | Wyzard | well, I can certainly imagine the compositor being RT |
| 07:37.11 | valdyn | Wyzard: and X isnt rt anyway |
| 07:37.11 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 07:37.15 | maddash | whoever wrote deborphan surely hasn't been paid enough |
| 07:37.40 | Wyzard | maddash: debfoster is nicer than deborphan, and aptitude's manual/auto flags are better than debfoster |
| 07:37.52 | xingu | on the plus side, one of the things linux is actually good at, is context switches. |
| 07:38.09 | maddash | Wyzard: hardly. deborphan found things that even aptitude missed. |
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| 07:38.27 | cahoot | dnanar: ifconfig lists lo? |
| 07:39.01 | Wyzard | maddash: That's because aptitude initially considers everything to be manually-installed so nothing is considered orphaned |
| 07:39.36 | acehigh | woot |
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| 07:39.43 | Wyzard | maddash: one of the first things I do after installing Debian is launch aptitude, highlight the "installed packages" heading, and press 'M' to mark everything as auto-installed |
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| 07:40.04 | dnanar | cahoot: how to check ifconfig lists with printer please ?! |
| 07:40.05 | Wyzard | maddash: then go through the packages and mark just the things I want to keep as manually-installed |
| 07:40.10 | valdyn | maddash: dselect find things that are no longer in the repos, i dont know what else does this |
| 07:40.21 | Wyzard | maddash: That's analogous to an initial run of debfoster |
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| 07:40.41 | maddash | Wyzard: neat. let me try that. |
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| 07:40.53 | acehigh | vas thank you for all your help :) |
| 07:40.55 | ma3x | I got wlan onboard but I don't know the chipset or model name. How do I find out? |
| 07:41.09 | cahoot | dnanar: huh? - if you run ifconfig - does lo show up? |
| 07:41.12 | acehigh | Vasistha, thank you for all your help :) |
| 07:41.16 | Wyzard | maddash: I do it first-thing after installation so it's relatively easy to do, since there isn't much installed yet :-) |
| 07:41.21 | valdyn | maddash: you run lspci |
| 07:41.29 | Vasistha | acehigh: you're welcome! g'night |
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| 07:42.30 | maddash | valdyn: er? |
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| 07:43.44 | xingu | and that'll be the last we see of him ;) |
| 07:44.19 | cahoot | ma3x: try lspci |
| 07:44.29 | dnanar | cahoot: no it doesn't :( and this is my /etc/networks/interfaces: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/472030 |
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| 07:44.50 | ma3x | cahoot, 00:0b.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 07:45.05 | ma3x | cahoot, does that mean it has already the driver loaded? |
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| 07:45.29 | Wyzard | ...nope :-( |
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| 07:46.36 | cahoot | ma3x: no but it answers your initial question |
| 07:46.40 | Wyzard | looks like this system claims to support ACPI S3, but it doesn't actually suspend, just immediately starts up again |
| 07:46.57 | LLcoolM | ok, forget about the infected warning. checksecurity only checks bindshell for nothing any daemon listening on that port. |
| 07:47.10 | ma3x | cahoot, so how do I load the driver? |
| 07:47.11 | LLcoolM | nothing but |
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| 07:47.34 | xingu | Wyzard: sometimes that's due to sata controllers |
| 07:47.43 | xingu | Wyzard: are you using one? |
| 07:47.45 | cahoot | ma3x: I really don't know - maybemodprobe rt2500 or such |
| 07:47.50 | Wyzard | xingu: yes, AHCI |
| 07:47.51 | valdyn | ma3x: m-a prepare; m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 07:48.21 | ma3x | valdyn, why do you classify it as rt2500? |
| 07:48.44 | valdyn | ma3x: why do you have to ask taht stupid question? |
| 07:48.46 | xingu | Wyzard: maybe try disabling smartmon, or, use emulated ide mode instead of ahci |
| 07:48.47 | dnanar | cahoot: no idea please ? |
| 07:49.06 | cahoot | dnanar: as to why you don't have any lo - sorry no |
| 07:49.07 | xingu | Wyzard: no promises but it's something to try |
| 07:49.08 | valdyn | ma3x: your lcpi output cant mention it more explicitely |
| 07:49.08 | Wyzard | xingu: Looking in dmesg, I do see "SATA link down" messages for each of my drives prior to the suspend event, and then "SATA link up", etc. afterward, so it does look like it was shut down properly |
| 07:49.32 | Wyzard | xingu: I'm sticking with AHCI... I'm not going to sacrifice SATA hotplug and NCQ for the sake of suspend-to-RAM on a desktop system :-) |
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| 07:49.49 | xingu | Wyzard: problem can be smart sense request stuck in the queue that wakes up the smm again |
| 07:49.56 | Wyzard | anyway, I'm under the impression that AHCI is among the most robust of Linux's SATA drivers |
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| 07:50.04 | xingu | Wyzard: so ok, try without the benefit of smartmon |
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| 07:50.22 | xingu | Wyzard: it's not a robustness issue if (a big if!) this is what it is |
| 07:50.35 | ma3x | valdyn, I modprobed rt2500, but it doesn't say the wlan interface in dmesg. Should I guess it's wl0 or wlan0 ? |
| 07:50.45 | Wyzard | xingu: you mean kill smartd, right? |
| 07:50.50 | xingu | Wyzard: yep |
| 07:50.56 | valdyn | ma3x: run ifconfig -a or iwconfig ? |
| 07:50.58 | Wyzard | OK, will try that |
| 07:51.09 | Wyzard | hmm... I can probably do this without quitting IRC, too |
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| 07:51.57 | Wyzard | xingu: nope, same thing |
| 07:52.07 | xingu | it was worth a shot. :) |
| 07:52.16 | Wyzard | oh well |
| 07:52.50 | xingu | Wyzard: just out of interest how are you invoking s3 ? |
| 07:53.04 | Wyzard | gnome-power-manager's "suspend" menu command |
| 07:53.11 | Wyzard | same way I do it on my laptop |
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| 08:10.36 | eshaase | ok, i'm having major system failures, I've noticed my computer freezing from time to time and I just noticed in a shell that when i execute ls i get: bash: /bin/ls: input/output error and when i execute rm xxx i get: rm: cannot remove '...': read-only file system... i figured my partition was full but that isn't the case... anyone have any ideas? |
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| 08:13.01 | ravn | is it safe to upgrade to lenny from etch? |
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| 08:13.39 | regulate_ | unless you want python2.4-dev |
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| 08:13.59 | regulate_ | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python2.4-dev: |
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| 08:13.59 | regulate_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:14.51 | ghenry_ | any bundled iptables cli tools like rh? |
| 08:14.53 | ghenry_ | thanks. |
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| 08:15.48 | regulate_ | so, should i rollback ? |
| 08:15.49 | regulate_ | or wait. . |
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| 08:17.30 | valdyn | eshaase: you are having hardware errors |
| 08:17.30 | eshaase | valdyn: how can you be so sure? |
| 08:17.53 | valdyn | eshaase: that's what the error message sais |
| 08:17.57 | Wyzard | because that's what happens when a hard drive goes bad |
| 08:18.14 | Wyzard | "input/output error" means it failed to read something from disk |
| 08:18.20 | valdyn | eshaase: your system is reacting to what it thinks is a hardware error |
| 08:18.27 | regulate_ | what does your syslog say? |
| 08:18.31 | Wyzard | and when the filesystem driver encounters an inconsistency it remounts the filesystem read-only to prevent further damage |
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| 08:18.46 | Wyzard | which is why you get "read-only filesystem" messages now |
| 08:18.52 | valdyn | eshaase: can be a faulty driver too, can be hardware error without a physically broken harddisk too, like bad cabling or heat |
| 08:19.13 | regulate_ | power |
| 08:19.26 | eshaase | "hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }" "ide: failed opcode was: unknown" "hdc: DMA disabled" "ide1: reset: success" those are the suspicious lines in my /var/log/messages file that occurred around the time i encountered this |
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| 08:19.33 | valdyn | eshaase: use the smartmontools |
| 08:19.35 | regulate_ | ufff |
| 08:19.35 | regulate_ | no dma |
| 08:19.41 | eshaase | i guess that further proves i'm having hardware issues eh? |
| 08:19.45 | valdyn | eshaase: other than that there's no decent way to track hardware issues |
| 08:20.03 | regulate_ | hdparm -I |
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| 08:20.15 | karlheinz-freidr | etch often hangs (is irresonsive) for a few seconds on my asus notebook, the windows on the same notebook works fine, what can i do ? |
| 08:20.25 | valdyn | eshaase: ( and even smart can be fooled by power issues to diagnose a fine drive as broken ) |
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| 08:20.39 | eshaase | damnit |
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| 08:20.47 | eshaase | smartmontools or hdpark? |
| 08:20.49 | eshaase | *hdparm |
| 08:21.11 | eshaase | this happens every now and then (few days) but other than my system freezing everything seems fine |
| 08:21.13 | valdyn | eshaase: that's entirely different programs doing entirely unrelated thingsa |
| 08:21.26 | eshaase | valdyn: i understand that, which is why i'm asking which one i should probably try first |
| 08:21.35 | regulate_ | eshaase: what was the last thing you've done before you noticed the first symptoms ? |
| 08:21.47 | valdyn | eshaase: smartmontools, i dont know what hdparm can possibly do for you |
| 08:21.52 | eshaase | hardware-related, absolutely nothing recently |
| 08:21.59 | regulate_ | kernel related? |
| 08:22.13 | eshaase | nope, nothing |
| 08:22.17 | eshaase | haven't had time to play with my system recently |
| 08:22.29 | valdyn | karlheinz-freidr: start by telling us how you trigger that hang |
| 08:22.29 | eshaase | valdyn: ok, i'll check out smartmontools, thanks |
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| 08:22.45 | nixbox | hi all |
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| 08:23.28 | karlheinz-freidr | valdyn: it just happens when i do regular desktop work, means starting programs/browsing the kde startup menu, ... |
| 08:23.33 | eshaase | so based on the error log messages i posted, you can't conclude anything further? |
| 08:23.45 | valdyn | eshaase: no |
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| 08:24.08 | eshaase | oh one other thing, i notice a strange noise before every freeze, haha |
| 08:24.10 | nixbox | i have a machine with no monitor, i have physical access to the machine and it is also connected to the network, however, there is no operating system on that machine, how do i install debian on it? |
| 08:24.11 | ma3x | what's the deb package name for libmp3lame support? |
| 08:24.12 | valdyn | eshaase: input/output error is pretty vague considering i cant exclude a kernel bug behind it |
| 08:24.20 | eshaase | kinda like the sound my computer makes when i shut it down |
| 08:24.21 | maddash | !find lame |
| 08:24.34 | peterS | nixbox: that depends on the architecture of the machine, whether it supports a serial console, etc. |
| 08:24.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lame' (8 of 56): (/usr/bin/toolame) in sound/toolame ;; (/usr/bin/twolame) in sound/twolame ;; (/usr/bin/lamed) in tex/texlive-omega ;; (/usr/bin/lamexec) in utils/lam-runtime ;; (/usr/bin/E-NetFlame.epplet) in x11/epplets ;; (/usr/bin/cvsblame) in devel/kdesdk-scripts ;; (/usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/flame) in graphics/gimp ;; (/usr/lib/xscreensaver/lament) in x11/xscreensaver-gl. |
| 08:24.37 | valdyn | eshaase: disk is clicking? |
| 08:24.42 | eshaase | valdyn: nope |
| 08:24.58 | valdyn | maddash: lame is at debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:25.05 | eshaase | just a single noise that my computer makes when i shudown my system, it happens before my system freezes |
| 08:25.09 | peterS | nixbox: if it's a Unix workstation, for example, it probably has a serial boot console, which you can use from a serial terminal to control the machine without local keyboard/monitor |
| 08:25.20 | ma3x | valdyn, package name is 'lame' ? |
| 08:25.31 | maddash | valdyn: why isn't it in the common repo? |
| 08:25.36 | eshaase | valdyn: sounds kinda like a camera flash i guess |
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| 08:25.48 | cat | hey i have an ac97 sound card everytime time i do alsaconf the volume works but everytime i've reboot the sound doesn't work and i have to do alsaconf so it works again any ideas |
| 08:25.48 | peterS | maddash: because Debian refuses to buy a patent license for each user who downloads lame |
| 08:25.53 | valdyn | maddash: because of patent law |
| 08:25.54 | cat | i think i need to enable something on /etc/modules |
| 08:25.56 | nixbox | peterS, the only thing it might have could be Windows :P |
| 08:26.00 | valdyn | maddash: specifically in the usa |
| 08:26.03 | peterS | maddash: other sites are willing to risk the patent lawsuit, but the debian mirror network is not willing |
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| 08:26.34 | maddash | oh! forgot about the mp3 patent. |
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| 08:26.37 | cat | any help please? |
| 08:26.42 | maddash | [sigh] |
| 08:27.00 | valdyn | maddash: usa respects patents concerning _pure_ concepts, about no other country does |
| 08:27.03 | peterS | nixbox: so that would make it probably an i386 PC... and most PCs do not have serial console ability. so you probably need to plug a keyboard and monitor into the machine in order to start the installer |
| 08:27.04 | maddash | cat: modules, dude. |
| 08:27.08 | cat | i know |
| 08:27.15 | cat | but how can i do it |
| 08:27.18 | cat | im lost with the sound |
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| 08:27.40 | regulate_ | cat: lsmod before alsaconf , lsmod again |
| 08:27.50 | maddash | cat: if the sound doesn't work, try `lsmod|grep snd` |
| 08:27.54 | regulate_ | cat: find your sound module, used by soundcore etc ... |
| 08:28.05 | cat | regulate_: which one is the module? |
| 08:28.10 | cat | snd_ac97_codec 83360 1 snd_via82xx |
| 08:28.10 | cat | snd_ac97_bus 2688 1 snd_ac97_codec |
| 08:28.13 | cat | i have those modules |
| 08:28.25 | peterS | cat: you've been here long enough to know not to paste that much crap |
| 08:28.33 | maddash | cat: err you're missing snd_via82xx |
| 08:28.34 | regulate_ | modprobe -v snd_via82 |
| 08:28.54 | cat | FATAL: Module snd_via82 not found. |
| 08:28.56 | regulate_ | thats wrong |
| 08:28.57 | regulate_ | sorry |
| 08:28.57 | eshaase | valdyn: you're not familiar with a camera-flash-like noise when a computer gets shutdown? |
| 08:29.01 | maddash | peterS: is it that bad? it's just two lines.. |
| 08:29.05 | eshaase | valdyn: thats the noise my computer makes before a freeze |
| 08:29.18 | valdyn | eshaase: no, i'd have to hear it and probably see the internals |
| 08:29.28 | eshaase | valdyn: ok |
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| 08:29.33 | peterS | maddash: only because he missed a couple of modules. and by talking right before and after the paste, the effect was magnified |
| 08:29.40 | maddash | cat: erm, "grep -i via /boot/config-`uname -r`" |
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| 08:29.43 | eshaase | i guess now would be a good time to backup my system =) |
| 08:29.49 | valdyn | cat: you didnt install debians alsa packages? |
| 08:30.00 | maddash | peterS: oh, you noticed the missing lines, too? |
| 08:30.01 | valdyn | cat: that's one thing that could require alsaconf to be run each time |
| 08:30.11 | peterS | maddash: but of course |
| 08:30.11 | cat | valdyn: what drivers do i download? |
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| 08:30.31 | valdyn | cat: your lsmod output looks good |
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| 08:30.43 | eshaase | valdyn: thanks for all your time, i appreciate it |
| 08:30.48 | cat | valdyn: then? |
| 08:30.50 | valdyn | cat: you could add snd_via82xx to /etc/modules if that is not loaded automagically |
| 08:31.06 | maddash | cat: grep snd /etc/modules |
| 08:31.21 | maddash | i've always wanted to be the grepmaster |
| 08:31.22 | valdyn | cat: install linux-sound-base if its not installed, If its installed run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' and set it to alsa |
| 08:31.40 | karlheinz-freidr | desktop application like KAsteroids, KBounce or Amarok's visuals run faster on my laptop when i unplug the power-cord, shouldn't it be the inverse ? |
| 08:31.49 | peterS | maddash: tell him to use a UUOC: cat /etc/modules | grep snd. I'd normally object, but given his name, it might be appropriate |
| 08:31.55 | valdyn | karlheinz-freidr: yea |
| 08:31.57 | cat | okay |
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| 08:32.19 | maddash | peterS: rofl |
| 08:32.21 | cat | still no sound on xmms |
| 08:32.34 | maddash | cat: make sure xmms uses ALSA |
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| 08:32.39 | peterS | xmms might not be alsa-aware. try loading snd-pcm-oss |
| 08:32.42 | maddash | cat: check inside xmms preferences |
| 08:33.06 | cat | failed to open audio |
| 08:33.29 | maddash | peterS: haha, dpkg just told me what 'UUOC' stood for. |
| 08:33.31 | cat | it says here failed to open audio output: ALSa 1.2.10 output plugin |
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| 08:34.09 | peterS | maddash: yeah I created that factoid some years ago (: |
| 08:34.10 | cat | i do not know what's going on with my sound card |
| 08:34.24 | regulate_ | unload the module |
| 08:34.33 | regulate_ | reload it |
| 08:34.37 | maddash | cat: looks like something is hogging your dsp thingy |
| 08:34.57 | cat | what can i do then? |
| 08:35.01 | maddash | cat: `ls -l /dev/dsp`? |
| 08:35.16 | maddash | cat: don't paste the output |
| 08:35.35 | cat | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-05-05 00:20 /dev/dsp |
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| 08:36.11 | regulate_ | rmmod via82cxxx; modprobe -v via82cxxx; |
| 08:36.21 | regulate_ | run alsaconf if it still doesn't work |
| 08:36.24 | yang | does anyone know which package do i need for this - checking for net-snmp-config... /usr/libexec/net-snmp-config |
| 08:36.31 | maddash | cat: erm, just for shits, giggles and to make sure your speaker works, `cat [large file of your choice] > /dev/dsp` |
| 08:36.35 | cat | ERROR: Removing 'via82cxxx': Device or resource busy |
| 08:36.51 | maddash | cat: s/speaker works/ALSA is doing it's thing/ |
| 08:36.52 | peterS | cat: yeah, via82cxxx is an IDE driver, regulate_ apparently thought it was a sound driver |
| 08:37.01 | peterS | cat: presumably he meant via82cxxx_audio |
| 08:37.35 | cat | i did the alsaconf |
| 08:37.38 | cat | now the sound works fine |
| 08:37.55 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.02 | regulate_ | thats it |
| 08:38.05 | regulate_ | _ |
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| 08:38.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 08:38.18 | maddash | !ahc |
| 08:38.21 | HardDisk_WP | wtf does /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst at compiling KDE mean? |
| 08:38.26 | HardDisk_WP | !ping |
| 08:38.27 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:38.29 | cat | now the sound works |
| 08:38.33 | peterS | regulate_: he can't rmmod via82cxxx because those IDE drivers install themselves as 'permanent', so you have to reboot to remove them |
| 08:38.37 | maddash | dpkg: AHC is Another Happy Customer |
| 08:38.37 | dpkg | maddash: okay |
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| 08:38.43 | regulate_ | peterS: yeah i understand , i typoed |
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| 08:38.48 | cat | so when i reboot what do i need to put.. the module so it boot up automaticly |
| 08:39.05 | maddash | 04:31:01 <maddash> cat: grep snd /etc/modules |
| 08:39.20 | cat | are you sure? |
| 08:39.21 | maddash | cat: don't paste it, just tell us if there is any output |
| 08:39.25 | regulate_ | what does alsaconf do ? |
| 08:39.33 | maddash | regulate_: configure alsa. |
| 08:39.39 | cat | puts the modules to the /etc/modules i've believed |
| 08:40.24 | cat | so the sound doesn't stop working wht can i do? |
| 08:40.31 | cat | what module do i need on my /etc/modules ? |
| 08:40.41 | maddash | cat: snd-via[blah] |
| 08:40.46 | regulate_ | whichever modules alsaconf loads |
| 08:40.50 | peterS | cat: didn't you already answer that for yourself when you pasted the alsaconf output? |
| 08:40.58 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.02 | cat | that's the module that uses |
| 08:41.37 | grep | damn, it's been taken. |
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| 08:42.53 | yang | does anyone know which package do i need for this - http://www.net-snmp.org/ |
| 08:43.05 | liable | puts the modules on its skin |
| 08:43.19 | xingu | yang: snmp,snmpd |
| 08:43.39 | yang | thanks |
| 08:44.32 | yang | xingu: however i still get the configure error: |
| 08:44.38 | yang | checking for net-snmp-config... /usr/libexec/net-snmp-config; configure: error: You need at least net-snmp 5.0.7, get it at http://www.net-snmp.org |
| 08:44.59 | sudo_maddash | peters: hm, it just occured to me: isn't `cat *` == `dd if=*`? |
| 08:45.18 | peterS | sudo_maddash: no. wildcards are not expanded the way you think they are |
| 08:45.49 | sudo_maddash | peterS: no,no, I meant `cat [blah]` == `dd if=[blah]` |
| 08:45.59 | dutchfish | xingu, did you manage to ge around the dual-head problem last time i spoke to you? |
| 08:46.06 | xingu | yang: libsnmp10-dev ? |
| 08:46.16 | xingu | dutchfish: er? :) |
| 08:46.18 | yang | xingu: i would like to compile the program http://docsis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:46.20 | peterS | sudo_maddash: yes, if you don't give dd any other arguments. except, I'm not sure what block size cat reads by default - dd reads 1024 bytes |
| 08:46.54 | xingu | yang: try your luck with libsnmp10-dev |
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| 08:47.29 | peterS | sudo_maddash: also, I think cat uses the stdio buffer, so if it's reading from a pipe or a character device (such as a tty or something), it will buffer differently from dd. this doesn't make much if any difference if it's reading from a disk file |
| 08:47.37 | yang | xingu: it works, thanks |
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| 08:48.02 | pluesch0r | evening! i've got an AMD opteron processor 246 in my server. according to the hardware specs, it should have two cores - however, when i cat /proc/cpuinfo, i only see one processor - what am i missing? |
| 08:48.18 | valdyn | pluesch0r: uname -r |
| 08:48.33 | pluesch0r | valdyn: 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 |
| 08:49.07 | peterS | pluesch0r: that kernel may not be compiled for SMP - if not, it won't show multiple processors |
| 08:49.15 | pluesch0r | peterS: ok, thanks. |
| 08:49.44 | sudo_maddash | peters: i thought all stock kernels had smp by default? |
| 08:49.54 | valdyn | pluesch0r: grep SMP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 08:50.00 | peterS | sudo_maddash: may not be true in the xen world. I don't know much about those kernels |
| 08:50.28 | Wyzard | I believe Xen gets to decide how many processors each domain can see |
| 08:50.54 | peterS | Wyzard: yes but that doesn't answer the question of whether 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 supports smp |
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| 08:51.02 | valdyn | is this even a 2 core cpu? |
| 08:51.14 | dutchfish | peterS, CONFIG_SMP=y in xen |
| 08:51.27 | valdyn | pluesch0r: why do you think that's a dual core cpu? |
| 08:51.41 | pluesch0r | valdyn: i think i recall ordering a dual core cpu. |
| 08:51.51 | Wyzard | peterS: I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't, since there's no separate -smp version of that kernel and Xen users are likely to have multiple processors |
| 08:51.55 | pluesch0r | but since SMP is enabled ... seems it isn't one. :) |
| 08:52.21 | sudo_maddash | valdyn: good catch, it's not. |
| 08:52.30 | sudo_maddash | pluesch0r: dream on, 246 is single-core |
| 08:52.46 | pluesch0r | sudo_maddash: k, thanks. |
| 08:52.57 | peterS | so uh is 2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 for dom0 or for domU or both? I've always been confused about those kernels |
| 08:53.01 | pluesch0r | sudo_maddash: the mainboard should be multicore capable though, right? |
| 08:53.14 | pluesch0r | peterS: i'm using it for dom0 |
| 08:53.20 | Wyzard | peterS: both |
| 08:53.21 | pluesch0r | and the -vserver stuff for the domU |
| 08:53.24 | pluesch0r | at least while i'm still testing. |
| 08:53.28 | sudo_maddash | pluesch0r: I don't even know what board you're using |
| 08:53.29 | pluesch0r | so what's the vserver about, then? |
| 08:53.43 | sudo_maddash | pluesch0r: but 2** is dual-processor capable, yes |
| 08:53.44 | Wyzard | vserver is something separate and independent from Xen |
| 08:53.45 | pluesch0r | sudo_maddash: i'm aware of that. but the pins on the processors are the same, right? |
| 08:53.46 | sudo_maddash | pluesch0r: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Opteron_microprocessors#Opteron_200-series_.22SledgeHammer.22_.28standard-power.2C_130_nm.29 |
| 08:54.02 | sudo_maddash | !tell sudo_maddash about enter |
| 08:54.20 | pluesch0r | sudo_maddash: thx. |
| 08:54.22 | peterS | /nick sudo_ku |
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| 08:54.57 | sudo_maddash | peterS: haha. how'd you manage the "/"? |
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| 08:55.13 | valdyn | \/ |
| 08:55.18 | valdyn | m |
| 08:55.33 | dutchfish | !linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686 |
| 08:55.36 | peterS | sudo_maddash: my IRC client has a /say command. which I generally abbreviate as / |
| 08:56.10 | peterS | sudo_maddash: maybe your client supports it too, try it: / /nick sudo_ku |
| 08:56.24 | sudo_maddash | /nick sudo_ku |
| 08:56.30 | sudo_maddash | heh, cool. |
| 08:56.43 | peterS | or you can type /say if you like verbosity |
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| 09:06.14 | robin_sz | so is there a FOSS alternative to the linuxant hsfmodem? |
| 09:06.18 | uttara | hi. I am new to debian. I have installed "etch", but I am not able to configure my network. The network manager does not show me "eth0", although I was able to download packages during installation. |
| 09:06.30 | liable | robin_sz: if you find one, tell me |
| 09:06.43 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 09:07.13 | robin_sz | the Linuxant one works OK, but every now and then it crashes .. and Im not sure how to upgrade it |
| 09:07.25 | liable | uttara: try in a terminal, 'ifup eth0' |
| 09:07.34 | uttara | ok |
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| 09:07.47 | liable | robin_sz: just get the next package, and reenter your license details |
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| 09:07.54 | robin_sz | oh, right |
| 09:07.59 | liable | robin_sz: as long as its the same major version |
| 09:08.05 | robin_sz | mmm ... |
| 09:08.47 | liable | i think you only get free upgrades of the same major version |
| 09:09.00 | robin_sz | ok, |
| 09:09.01 | liable | but i may be wrong, check there website |
| 09:09.18 | robin_sz | there is almost nothing realted to upgrades mentioned on the site |
| 09:09.30 | xingu | robin_sz: http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/ ? |
| 09:09.32 | robin_sz | a FOSS one would be nice |
| 09:09.43 | liable | i read it somewhere, maybe its in the documentation |
| 09:10.03 | liable | if anyone knows, the linmodem guys would be the ones to ask |
| 09:10.25 | liable | scanmodem is worth a shot |
| 09:10.47 | xingu | robin_sz: here's the howto for linmodem - http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/Linmodem-howto.html (ie for the ltmodem driver above) |
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| 09:13.17 | pluesch0r | when using xen .. is there a way to set a cpu quota if my cpu has only one core? |
| 09:13.59 | liable | hrm, theres a hsfmodem patched driver there.. |
| 09:13.59 | liable | wonder what thats about |
| 09:14.16 | xingu | liable: the linuxant driver is derived from that hsfmodem |
| 09:14.22 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, man xm |
| 09:14.43 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, now 2 types of shedulers are supported in etch xen |
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| 09:17.45 | uttara | "ifup eth0" gives the message - ifup: interface eth0 already configured. |
| 09:17.46 | uttara | I am also able to "ping" other sites. But the "network manager" says that, there is no "network connection". |
| 09:17.59 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, or http://man.cx/xm |
| 09:18.53 | karsten | uttara: ifupdown can get confused. |
| 09:19.26 | karsten | uttara: 'ifconfig eth0' will report actual state. 'ifdown eth0; ifconfig eth0 down; ifup eth0' if you want to be sure. |
| 09:19.30 | liable | xingu: i am a bit confused |
| 09:19.44 | karsten | uttara: f*ck the network manager. |
| 09:19.45 | liable | xingu: it *is* the linuxant driver |
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| 09:20.08 | uttara | karsten: I am not able to access sites through "iceweasel" |
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| 09:20.43 | uttara | The only way I am able to access network is through "ping" |
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| 09:24.24 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: thanks. i already had a look at it, and couldn't find what i was looking for. |
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| 09:25.07 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, specify "couldn't find" |
| 09:25.20 | Enverex | What the hell is a D-Line? |
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| 09:26.04 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i'd like to allow one domU to have guaranteed access to 10% of dom0's cpu, and to 20% at the most ... how do i do that? |
| 09:26.23 | phix | hey |
| 09:26.54 | liable | Enverex: noticed that the other day too, and wondered exactly the same |
| 09:27.16 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, by config your scheduler, it is done by granting slices (depends on your type of scheduler), you can even shedule more VCPU then you actually have ;) |
| 09:27.19 | Enverex | liable, I got forwarded to the overflow channel a minute ago and every second someone was getting D-Lined |
| 09:27.33 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: whew, nice. |
| 09:28.00 | liable | Enverex: hrm, wheres RichiH |
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| 09:28.12 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, read also the xen howto on xen-source.com |
| 09:28.19 | liable | RichiH: whats a D-line? |
| 09:28.29 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: ok, thanks .. |
| 09:28.45 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: may i exploit you a bit more while i'm at it? :) |
| 09:29.07 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, not expolit ... hehe ... but ask :) |
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| 09:29.34 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i'd like to enable anti-spoofing ... however, the antispoofing settings don't seem to work, no matter what. all the info i've found on the web are posts of people that have bitched about that feature not working .. |
| 09:29.47 | robin_sz | xingu, not sure that will give me fax support for hylafax |
| 09:29.47 | pluesch0r | so .. is there a way to get antispoofing working without fooling around with iptables myself? |
| 09:29.55 | onur | Hi. I have a problem to build nvidia kernel module. It's say: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'. I tried from m-a and nvidia.com. Where is the problem? |
| 09:29.58 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, you want to go by iptables in dom-0 (hint) |
| 09:30.20 | xingu | robin_sz: you don't want much ;) |
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| 09:30.41 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: and another thing .. i've been using shorewall in dom0 prior to installing xen ... what's the best way to firewall my dom0 and domUs? |
| 09:30.42 | hark | onur: check the bts |
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| 09:31.04 | liable | onur: sounds like they fucked up |
| 09:31.07 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, again iptables and conntrack are you friends (dom-0) |
| 09:31.11 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i've read shorewall and xen firewalling guides, but i got stuck. should i migrate from bridging to routing? what's the advantage? |
| 09:31.35 | pluesch0r | and i've read somewhere on the shorewall page that doing the whole firewalling for dom0 and all domUs in a dom0 firewall is considered bad. |
| 09:31.41 | pluesch0r | and a performance hog. |
| 09:31.44 | onur | hark: i checked. 2 weeks a go this bug submitted. But it's not resolve yet. |
| 09:31.53 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, for most general purposes i use bridging, becaus its transparent for en users |
| 09:31.56 | pluesch0r | so .. i really don't know what solution to favor. |
| 09:32.08 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, *end users |
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| 09:32.16 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i've got 200 public ips, so i don't need to nat or anything. |
| 09:32.23 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: and how do you firewall that? |
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| 09:32.47 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: in dom0 only? or do you firewall dom0 in dom0 and have dedicated firewalls in domUs? |
| 09:32.47 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, if you have enough IP to waste, well routing would be my first choice |
| 09:32.57 | hark | onur: yeah, don't think it's resolved yet.. though there might be ways you can go about it |
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| 09:33.35 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, to keep things simple, i would start firewalling in dom-0, why? your virtual dom-U users cant reach that ;) |
| 09:33.52 | onur | This driver xserver-xorg-video-nv more faster than nvidia drivers. But this driver doesn't open opengl games. |
| 09:33.56 | liable | i wonder if adding MOD_LICENSE gpl in the nvidia source would fix it |
| 09:33.59 | onur | and tv-out |
| 09:34.25 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, and again keep it simple |
| 09:34.27 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: okay. i enable routing by changing to config to 'network-route' and 'vif-route' in xend-config.sxp, right? |
| 09:35.02 | robin_sz | xingu, i just need to rx faxes ... hsfmodem and hylafax seemed like a sensible choice .. if it can be done with linmodem, great |
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| 09:35.09 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, dont forget to look at your dom-U.cfg's and /etc/default xen related |
| 09:35.15 | Enverex | What's the command like to set the default X web-browser? |
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| 09:35.32 | hark | man update-alternatives |
| 09:35.43 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: my dom-U's don't get started automatically, so that shouldn't be a problem, right? |
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| 09:36.07 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, if they are shutdown before reboot, np ;) |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, xens default behavior is to autoboot what was running |
| 09:36.46 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: okay .. and this shouldn't kill my dom0 on reboot, should it? 'cause that box is in a hosting center, i don't wanna make a field trip. :) |
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| 09:37.21 | xingu | robin_sz: actually the best way to do that I know of, for what it's worth, is with an isdn basic rate interface |
| 09:37.24 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, then i would READ so more that you grasp what you are doing, i cant judge about your curent configs |
| 09:37.40 | xingu | robin_sz: faxmodems are flaky pieces of crap - you're better off with a cheap fax machine |
| 09:37.46 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i've got a basic bridge config. i didn't customize anything. |
| 09:37.52 | pluesch0r | (for the same purpose) |
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| 09:38.19 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, your ISP switch maybe could bug you on change (i have had that ones) |
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| 09:39.05 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, make static MACs on all interfaces as a hint |
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| 09:39.16 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: ah ok, will do that. |
| 09:39.37 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: one last question .. what's the advantage of routing over bridging? |
| 09:40.20 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, no advantage in my opinion (if you prolly gone use the box for virtual hosting) |
| 09:40.28 | pluesch0r | and .. is there any way to use the domU configuration in the domU instance? for example, is there a service that encapsulates the address and network settings and so on in some fake dhcp server that the domU instance could require via dhcp? |
| 09:40.31 | robin_sz | xingu, and isdn interface? but we have POTS lines for the fax |
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| 09:40.49 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: so .. why should i change from bridging to routing then? :) |
| 09:40.49 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, but you need that for vnets |
| 09:41.13 | robin_sz | xingu, and fax machiens are so 1970 ... printing stuff out on pieces of paper .. we liek our faxes conevrted to pdf and attached to client accounts |
| 09:41.28 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, if you dont implement vnets, stick to bridging |
| 09:41.36 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: ok, thanks. |
| 09:42.02 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, it save you at least IPs |
| 09:42.20 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: that's the one thing i don't need to save on. :) |
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| 09:42.42 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, i wish i could say that :( |
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| 09:44.11 | nvz | is it just me or have the spambots arived |
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| 09:45.03 | liable | phew, that was lucky, was about to hit enter after saying something derogetory about nvz |
| 09:45.09 | liable | :P |
| 09:45.17 | nvz | hah |
| 09:45.19 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: again .. thanks a bunch! that was very helpful. :) |
| 09:45.31 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, yw |
| 09:45.33 | nvz | my enter key sticks now |
| 09:45.43 | nvz | luckily irssi isnt stupid |
| 09:45.57 | nvz | I however.. |
| 09:46.09 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: just to confirm this: the autospoof functionality is dead, correct? :) |
| 09:46.11 | liable | dont really want to know why your enter key is sticky |
| 09:46.20 | pluesch0r | liable: syn ack |
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| 09:46.26 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, nope |
| 09:46.38 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: damn. so how do i profit from it? |
| 09:46.48 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: does it make xen do anything wonderful that i can profit from? |
| 09:46.55 | liable | pluesch0r: i am a human, not an ethernet card! :P |
| 09:47.03 | pluesch0r | liable: lies! |
| 09:47.08 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, not really, you should learn the basics of xen-networking |
| 09:47.47 | nvz | liable: I dropped it and lost the X, |, Enter, 0/Ins, ./Del keys. a got em all back on but the ./Del but the enter key wouldnt go on for some reason I had to force it.. heh |
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| 09:48.09 | nvz | I got the various springs in place but it wouldnt go back in |
| 09:48.33 | liable | nvz: heh, shit, what did you drop it from the tenth floor or something? |
| 09:48.36 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i've read quite some info about that, but i thought that (network-script network-bridge antispoof=yes) would be sufficient to get that effect .. with xend creating the bridge and all of that, i thought setting antispoof=yes would be sufficient to get that behaviour. |
| 09:49.19 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, again iptables and conntrack in dom-0 are your friends :) |
| 09:49.20 | ma3x | hi, I want to compile mplayer and when I configure it says Checking for XviD ... no | what package should I install to make it available onthe sys ? |
| 09:49.39 | nvz | liable: no just about 2 or 3 ft its a cheap $6 keyboard made by General Electric.. heh I got a nicer one but the chord is messed up I gotta solder it back on |
| 09:50.12 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: i haven't forgotten that. ;) the only thing i wanna know is: what does antispoof=yes actually do? (since it doesn't disable spoofing over here) - sorry if i'm bugging you. |
| 09:50.21 | liable | i need to find me a cheap keyboard and old monitor |
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| 09:50.44 | liable | or a null modem cable, but that wont do for bios |
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| 09:51.06 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, it does dns backresolving |
| 09:51.19 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: funny thing is .. the whole Xen v3.0 pdf users's manual doesn't mention 'antispoof' at all. |
| 09:51.20 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, at a great cost |
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| 09:51.34 | liable | nvz: i think you might be right, same nicks back and D-lined |
| 09:51.47 | liable | bot flood |
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| 09:51.52 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, i admit xen docs are abit ... uncomplete atm |
| 09:51.54 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: okay. so i don't want the antispoof setting in there, but iptables and conntrack in dom-0 |
| 09:51.59 | liable | the kiddies are playing |
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| 09:52.03 | dutchfish | pluesch0r, yup |
| 09:52.10 | pluesch0r | dutchfish: great. thanks a bunch. :) |
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| 09:54.08 | liable | all of em |
| 09:54.39 | nvz | liable: well the choice of nicks are kinda obvious.. and the ips are from the same two subnets |
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| 09:54.44 | liable | me thinks the staffers have there hands full atm |
| 09:54.52 | nvz | definatly smells like teen spirit in here to me |
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| 09:56.32 | erore | I have a dir, let's say /home/user, a server that is running under root saves data to that dir, so the owner is root, but I need the owner to automatically change to 'user'. How do I achieve this? |
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| 09:57.41 | pluesch0r | erore: chmod -S |
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| 09:59.39 | erore | pluesch0r: what does it do, cannot find -S in man |
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| 10:01.47 | nyty | hi |
| 10:01.55 | nyty | please can anyoe tell me how to reinstall all fonts in my system ? |
| 10:01.59 | nyty | all of it are damaged |
| 10:02.00 | nyty | :| |
| 10:02.09 | dondelelcaro | !file permissions |
| 10:02.15 | valdyn | nyty: why do you think fonts are damaged |
| 10:02.20 | dondelelcaro | !permissions |
| 10:02.20 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 10:02.23 | nyty | because i exec wrong script |
| 10:02.23 | valdyn | !wikifaq erore Permissions |
| 10:02.24 | dpkg | erore: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 10:02.25 | dondelelcaro | erore: read above |
| 10:02.27 | nyty | i want to have Xgl |
| 10:02.33 | scx | !llama |
| 10:03.06 | valdyn | nyty: can you be a little more verbose so we can see what you did? |
| 10:03.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, llama is a cuddly animal certain old school quake players were rather `fond of'... or the Learning Perl book published by O'Reilly, or http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
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| 10:03.26 | nyty | and i used sonic`s script and it do it wrong |
| 10:03.26 | nyty | If i want to go into Xgl, it said he dont know some font called as 'fixed' |
| 10:03.41 | pluesch0r | erore: it should preserve the group id. |
| 10:03.45 | valdyn | nyty: why bother with xgl? what's your gfx card? |
| 10:03.50 | nyty | ati |
| 10:04.01 | nyty | i want to use compiz / beryl |
| 10:04.11 | valdyn | nyty: use aiglx, thats default in lenny sid and available in etch too |
| 10:04.30 | erore | pluesch0r: yes I am reading thanks |
| 10:04.35 | nyty | yes |
| 10:04.36 | nyty | i have it |
| 10:04.48 | nyty | but it said problems with some composite extension |
| 10:05.04 | nyty | if i enabled it, GLX and direct rendering dont work |
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| 10:05.20 | liable | nyty: dont use sonics howto |
| 10:05.26 | valdyn | nyty: and sure the problem with that isnt just enabling Composite but using some unreleased pre-beta software that is not in debian |
| 10:05.32 | nyty | liable: too late |
| 10:05.39 | liable | nyty: either compile it yourself or get debs from the links a beryl-project |
| 10:05.44 | valdyn | nyty: ati cards work fine with aiglx |
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| 10:05.53 | liable | valdyn: not new ones |
| 10:05.55 | nyty | hmm |
| 10:06.12 | valdyn | nyty: what ati card exactly? |
| 10:06.30 | nyty | X1650 |
| 10:06.49 | liable | no aiglx for that puppy |
| 10:06.54 | nyty | ? |
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| 10:07.04 | liable | you need fglrx and xgl |
| 10:07.05 | nyty | ehm |
| 10:07.07 | nyty | X1600 |
| 10:07.10 | nyty | no X1650 |
| 10:07.11 | nyty | :-) |
| 10:07.20 | nyty | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] |
| 10:08.06 | nyty | okaay, what i must do now ? |
| 10:08.22 | valdyn | nyty: dont know a whole lot for your font issue yet |
| 10:08.31 | nyty | i have problem with fonts in Xgl |
| 10:08.34 | nyty | i`m now in Xorg |
| 10:08.36 | nyty | it works fine |
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| 10:09.42 | nyty | but what about compiz ; |
| 10:09.56 | nyty | valdyn, you said some unreleased pre beta software |
| 10:10.01 | valdyn | nyty: fix the font path in your xorg.conf |
| 10:10.07 | valdyn | nyty: that's what xgl is |
| 10:10.11 | nyty | i have xorg okay |
| 10:10.12 | liable | nyty: for your server line, to start it, add -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc |
| 10:10.29 | nyty | Xgl works bad but you said i dont need it |
| 10:10.29 | liable | nyty: thats should stop it failing on fonts |
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| 10:11.59 | liable | valdyn: i dont think adding it to xorg.conf works, its xgl's builtin search for it thats wrong for debian, but you can set it at server startup |
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| 10:15.39 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: hey, how you doin? i still haven't got my wireless to connect |
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| 10:15.43 | liable | i wish the useless pricks at ati would just add the stupid pixmaps thing to fglrx so we all use aiglx |
| 10:15.51 | nyty | okay |
| 10:15.53 | nyty | i have beryl here now |
| 10:15.58 | nyty | from debian beryl repository |
| 10:16.01 | nyty | it dont works :( |
| 10:16.15 | Dave_is_sex1 | nyty: that's right it doesn't |
| 10:16.20 | liable | nyty: it wont untill you get xgl to start |
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| 10:16.27 | nyty | why |
| 10:16.32 | nyty | it works in aiglx too |
| 10:16.49 | liable | nyty: not for your card. your card isnt supported by aiglx |
| 10:17.00 | nyty | but i`m running on aiglx now ;-) |
| 10:17.07 | liable | no your not |
| 10:17.12 | nyty | yes i`m |
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| 10:17.37 | valdyn | nyty: you are running aiglx, so your beryl works fine, so you have no more issues |
| 10:17.39 | nyty | okay i installing Xgl now |
| 10:17.53 | nyty | but it will be problems |
| 10:17.56 | nyty | wait i switch into console |
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| 10:18.57 | liable | you are still root |
| 10:19.19 | RA3OR | pwd |
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| 10:19.29 | nyty | ;-) |
| 10:19.38 | nyty | it said: Could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 10:19.48 | nyty | Could not init some.. font paths |
| 10:19.54 | nyty | fonts/Type1 etc.. |
| 10:20.11 | nyty | Missing some keymaps it said |
| 10:20.15 | RA3OR | how did it say that\ |
| 10:20.24 | RA3OR | with what fonts? |
| 10:20.29 | nyty | if i want to start Xgl |
| 10:20.46 | nyty | fonts/Truetype,misc,Type1,100dpi,75dpi |
| 10:21.12 | yang | I have dpkg-reconfigured locales to use english language, but all the manuals are showing in German language? |
| 10:21.44 | vchrizz | how do i look for a specific text recursively in a directory with configfiles? |
| 10:21.51 | nyty | hm |
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| 10:22.50 | nvz | vchrizz: grep |
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| 10:23.22 | liable | nyty: you need to edit whatever script you use to start xgl and add a font path to it |
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| 10:23.51 | ak70 | hi, is anyone using iomega REV drives? |
| 10:24.29 | nvz | nobody uses that junk.. heh |
| 10:24.41 | ak70 | I think there is a bug in the kernel in stable |
| 10:24.45 | nvz | if you did we'd point and laugh |
| 10:24.58 | nyty | liable: ehm ? |
| 10:25.12 | hermogenes | Hi, Dave_is_sex1 |
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| 10:25.24 | nyty | ehehe? |
| 10:25.28 | nyty | what Xgl starts |
| 10:25.30 | Thms | yang: maybe you installed the manpages-de ? |
| 10:25.43 | valdyn | vchrizz: grep -R text /dir |
| 10:25.48 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: So, Lets finish it |
| 10:25.49 | ak70 | REV disks use UDF 1.02 as its file system |
| 10:25.49 | liable | nyty: give up and wait untill fglrx supports aiglx |
| 10:25.56 | liable | for all our sakes |
| 10:26.38 | vchrizz | nvz,valdyn thx, lol, sure grep .. i just got up... my brain doesnt seem to be working at 100 |
| 10:26.42 | vchrizz | % |
| 10:26.42 | vchrizz | :P |
| 10:26.57 | yang | Thms: right, thanks |
| 10:27.09 | nyty | okay |
| 10:27.12 | nyty | Xgl now works |
| 10:27.13 | ak70 | but when I copy files larger 1.4GB to it, the kernel gives me a "max file size limit exceeded" error |
| 10:27.32 | ak70 | I had the same problem before |
| 10:27.33 | liable | heh, this is funny from the author of wireless-tools http://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/docs/linux-doc-project/mail_archives/ldp-discuss/msg00421.html |
| 10:27.58 | nyty | but |
| 10:28.02 | nyty | gdm dont works :\ |
| 10:28.07 | ak70 | but I am using debian stable, it shouldn't be there |
| 10:28.10 | nyty | i see only mouse and no background |
| 10:29.53 | ak70 | maybe it is an error in the kernel about UDF |
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| 10:30.15 | vchrizz | nyty: run gnome-session to see the desktop |
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| 10:33.04 | RichiH | liable: a dline makes the servers refused your connection as soon as it knows your ip/hostname |
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| 10:33.23 | RichiH | liable: i.e. it is a tad more evil and final than a kline (read: faster) |
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| 10:34.06 | ak70 | can someone confirm that it works normally when writing a file larger than 1.4Gb to a DVD disk using UDF? |
| 10:34.32 | liable | RichiH: ah, like a +b here sorta thing? |
| 10:34.33 | ak70 | with debian stable |
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| 10:36.36 | Gryfelhase | I'm looking for a clipboard-tool for the tty-comandline, so that i can use the mouse |
| 10:36.45 | liable | gpm |
| 10:37.47 | RichiH | liable: it's more or less the server's equivalent of /ignore |
| 10:37.55 | RichiH | liable: the server stops caring that you exist |
| 10:38.20 | liable | RichiH: is this newly implemented, only recently noticed it |
| 10:38.42 | liable | RichiH: and how come then we see them join the channel then get D-lined? |
| 10:38.57 | liable | shouldnt it work before they /j? |
| 10:39.15 | RichiH | liable: it is older than freenode |
| 10:39.15 | liable | RichiH: oh |
| 10:39.29 | RichiH | liable: no, they are most likely spambots which do not meet certain criteria up to after they join |
| 10:39.52 | RichiH | once our background magic is sure they are bots, they go poof |
| 10:40.09 | liable | ok |
| 10:40.10 | RichiH | and yes, i am actively avoiding telling you the metrics ;) |
| 10:40.12 | liable | heh |
| 10:40.40 | liable | RichiH: i dont want to know the metrics anyway, just cant recall seeing d-line before |
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| 10:42.25 | liable | whatever the hell metrics are.. ;) |
| 10:42.25 | RichiH | liable: due to the very nature of dlines, namely that we use them in the really bad cases, they are thankfully hidden from users most of the time |
| 10:42.42 | liable | RichiH: okie, thanks for the explanation :) |
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| 10:43.21 | jelly-home | !test |
| 10:43.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 10:44.23 | RichiH | liable: np :) |
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| 10:44.46 | xand | ["ERC Version 5.1.4 (IRC client for Emacs)" |
| 10:44.50 | xand | sickening! |
| 10:45.19 | liable | and is prolly 654MB in size |
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| 10:50.33 | nyty | hwo to add font path |
| 10:50.41 | nyty | pls someone help me on query :( |
| 10:50.42 | nyty | now.. |
| 10:50.47 | nyty | it said errors with fonts to me |
| 10:51.00 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: hey (was in shower) ok sounds good |
| 10:51.48 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: Where did we stop? |
| 10:52.03 | Dave_is_sex1 | atm, the driver is fine, it's a route/gateway/ip tables problem from what i can gather |
| 10:52.23 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: ^ we stopped having perfected the driver :) |
| 10:52.29 | nyty | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.40 | nyty | in Xgl it said the path to fonts are X11R6 |
| 10:52.45 | nyty | but path to fonts must be only X11 |
| 10:53.07 | Enverex | nyty, It's in xorg.conf |
| 10:53.09 | liable | nyty: your a bit slow arent you? i told you all this shit half an hour ago |
| 10:53.15 | liable | Enverex: not for xgl |
| 10:53.30 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: What's the problem you are having now? |
| 10:54.01 | mrynit | what is a good text editor for java,C++,html and css that is GUI and easy for a new linux user? |
| 10:54.03 | nyty | ok |
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| 10:54.21 | nyty | Aha1 |
| 10:54.33 | nyty | i dont have anythink in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts dicetory |
| 10:54.36 | nyty | it`s it! |
| 10:54.56 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: best described: i can see all the networks, and connect to mine, but that is all. i tried pinging and got told "no", which i thought was strage since i am (was) connected |
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| 10:55.44 | liable | mrynit: eithers gnomes default editor ot kde's has syntax highlighting for that |
| 10:55.56 | Gryfelhase | mrynit: Don't know if it's a bit oversized: But eclipse is general a good idea for that things.... |
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| 10:56.04 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: i read it could be because oth ethernet and wlan use the same gateway, so did: ifconfig eth0 down, dhclient wlan0 |
| 10:56.07 | nyty | why in xorg.conf |
| 10:56.09 | liable | mrynit: gedit and kwrite respectively |
| 10:56.11 | nyty | i using Xgl |
| 10:56.35 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: which didn't help. i don't think the address 192.168.0.1 should be a problem |
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| 10:56.36 | mrynit | i didnt like gedit much |
| 10:56.38 | liable | mrynit: or you might want to look at something like eclipse |
| 10:56.48 | mrynit | i dont want overhead |
| 10:57.08 | mrynit | i like text editors so i can work with one file and not handle a project |
| 10:57.15 | liable | mrynit: when you start being choosey, the you lose your n00b status and have to deal with learning shit |
| 10:57.31 | Enverex | nyty, So don't use XGL. Use AIGLX and if you can't do that then just stick with normal X. XGL cripples OpenGL anyway. |
| 10:57.34 | nyty | i knkow where is error!! |
| 10:57.50 | nyty | i dont have cairo fonts!!! |
| 10:57.54 | nyty | yeah! |
| 10:57.58 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:58.03 | Gryfelhase | ok... I have no suggestion, 'cause I use a text-editor under emulation of the acorn riscpc ;) |
| 10:58.36 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: Do your wireless network use encryption? |
| 10:59.00 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: yes WEP 10bit, open |
| 10:59.01 | mrynit | i use crimson editor under windows and i like it alot |
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| 11:01.10 | Enverex | I thought their "emergency maintenance" was sheduled for 4 hours ago... |
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| 11:01.11 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: Did you configure the ESSID etc? |
| 11:01.11 | mrynit | blamo |
| 11:01.11 | liable | how do i get irssi to ignore netsplits? |
| 11:01.12 | abrotman | ignore the join/parts |
| 11:01.12 | rajk | im trying to add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
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| 11:01.15 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: no. lets do that, :) |
| 11:01.15 | liable | abrotman: i only want to ignore the netsplits not every join and part |
| 11:01.15 | rajk | to see my sources.lst and i get the folowing error GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 11:01.36 | xored | my server is crashing ever Saturday ( sounds strange ) and i cant reach him trough the shell evertime and have to do a hardware reboot. The problem afterwards is, that i cant find needed informations in the logs afterwards, because of the reboot. Someone have a tip? Something know witht he new etch version? I switched to etch from sarge and now facing this problems |
| 11:01.37 | abrotman | liable: maybe ignore lines with the word freenode in them ? |
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| 11:01.51 | abrotman | liable: ask #irssi :) |
| 11:01.55 | liable | abrotman: dont give me no maybes! |
| 11:01.57 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: Do you use any Gnome? KDE? |
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| 11:02.17 | abrotman | xored: cron task ? |
| 11:02.31 | xored | abrotman: yeah thats what iam thinking off |
| 11:02.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: i'm on XFCE, with a few gnome components |
| 11:02.38 | daveid | downloading debian etch, and went to install it, only issue is that i get a double keystroke entry for every key i press... downloaded and burnt a new cd from a new image, tried different keyboards.. same issue.. i even reset the BIOS to default... any idea what i can do to fix this issue? |
| 11:02.40 | xored | abrotman: but there are only MYSQL-Update cronjobs |
| 11:02.53 | onur | i have nvidia geforce fx 5200. I am using nv driver. It's more than faster from 'nvidia'. But i dont use tv-out. Can i use tv-out with nv drivers? |
| 11:03.17 | abrotman | xored: and? |
| 11:03.27 | xored | abrotman: how should that freeze the serveR ? |
| 11:03.48 | xored | abrotman: i mean, dumping some MYSQL tables cant crash the whole thing including sshd ? |
| 11:03.54 | abrotman | xored: you don't even know what's happening .. just that it's not responsive |
| 11:04.48 | xored | abrotman: i mean, how could i find our why the server crashed AFTER the hard-reboot ? |
| 11:04.56 | abrotman | the logs ? |
| 11:04.59 | xored | all the dmes / syslog things are overwrittegn then ? |
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| 11:05.43 | xored | abrotman: which logs should i go for? i mean, which ones should have informations about the "last session" ( before the reboot ) |
| 11:05.56 | abrotman | the ones in /var/log/ |
| 11:06.13 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: actually i did configure essid, but via gtkwifi an di didn't notice the name |
| 11:06.19 | xored | abrotman: thank you a lot. |
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| 11:06.35 | kiliko | Hi, i wonder where i could get an bootstrap image of etch? i want to test it under xen. (I'm not using debian/ubuntu) |
| 11:06.37 | abrotman | xored: syslog and messages are a good place to start |
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| 11:07.34 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: try: iwconfig wlan0 essid your_essid key open |
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| 11:07.53 | xjkx | apache+php? |
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| 11:08.50 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: nothing happened. should i not also specify the network? |
| 11:09.17 | abrotman | nothing happened .. or no error ? |
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| 11:09.37 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: or possibly the interface? |
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| 11:10.42 | liable | hehe, he said that |
| 11:10.47 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: actually i'm not sure if i did set up essid, or if i just put the network key in. gtkwifi is rubbish |
| 11:12.21 | daveid | downloading debian etch, and went to install it, only issue is that i get a double keystroke entry for every key i press... downloaded and burnt a new cd from a new image, tried different keyboards.. same issue.. i even reset the BIOS to default... any idea what i can do to fix this issue? |
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| 11:13.03 | abrotman | daveid: do you get a double bksp too ? |
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| 11:13.27 | daveid | not sure |
| 11:13.46 | abrotman | there's also an expert mode .. and a GUI mode |
| 11:14.08 | abrotman | you could try some of the acpi or apic options also |
| 11:14.27 | daveid | 3.1r5 cd worked fine though |
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| 11:15.18 | daveid | just etch which stuffs up |
| 11:16.23 | valdyn | xored: any wwekly cronjob running when it crashes? |
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| 11:16.35 | reber | hi |
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| 11:16.42 | rebecca_ | hey guys. just wondering. does testing use udev? |
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| 11:16.55 | abrotman | daveid: you could ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:17.01 | reber | how to know what has been done during the last upgrade (packages who have been upgraded, etc.) ? |
| 11:17.01 | abrotman | rebecca_: yes |
| 11:17.03 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: I am lost. Describe me your network? |
| 11:17.14 | daveid | abrotman: will go there now |
| 11:17.17 | abrotman | rebecca_: devfs is deprecated .. and has been since 2.6.12 |
| 11:17.17 | rebecca_ | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 11:17.31 | rebecca_ | abrotman: ahhh |
| 11:17.32 | liable | reber: dpkg has a log, also aptitude if you use it |
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| 11:18.17 | liable | deprecated, but know its even dropped |
| 11:18.24 | abrotman | now ? |
| 11:18.24 | liable | s/know/now/ |
| 11:18.37 | abrotman | well .. now it is .. but it still remained in older kernels |
| 11:18.49 | reber | liable, /var/log/aptitude ok, but where is the log of apt ? |
| 11:19.01 | liable | reber: apt-get doesnt have one |
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| 11:19.08 | liable | reber: see dpkg.log |
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| 11:20.51 | abrotman | liable: has this been going on all morning ? |
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| 11:20.52 | abrotman | erm .. evening for you ;) |
| 11:20.52 | reber | liable, well thanks ! :D |
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| 11:21.30 | liable | abrotman: only in the last hour or two |
| 11:21.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: well there's a router which is both wireless and ethernet. i'm plugged into the ethernet. the wireless is wep. do you need to know any outputs? |
| 11:22.01 | xored | valdyn: iam wating for sshd to come back to check this |
| 11:22.01 | doudou | I was runing iceweasel when it freezed and fluxbox too, i look what programs where runing and i saw orbit, what is orbit ? |
| 11:22.48 | Coweater | apt-cache show orbit? |
| 11:22.56 | jelly-home | rebecca_: even stable uses udev now I think |
| 11:23.00 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: do you see it when scanning ? |
| 11:23.34 | abrotman | no more devfs! |
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| 11:23.46 | valdyn | doudou: you must be running some gtk1 or gnome1 program |
| 11:23.50 | abrotman | orbit is a gnome thing IIRC |
| 11:23.54 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: And in gtkwifi, are you seeing the wireless network? Do you connect by dhcp? |
| 11:23.54 | doudou | Coweater, i found many packages, i dont know what is his role in system |
| 11:24.04 | jetscreamer | orbit is some gnome thing i think |
| 11:24.10 | valdyn | gnom1 |
| 11:24.12 | valdyn | gnome1 |
| 11:24.17 | Coweater | doudou: show only lists one package |
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| 11:24.37 | doudou | Coweater, i did aptitude search orbit |
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| 11:25.32 | doudou | Coweater, netstat is slow to answer |
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| 11:26.34 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: yes i see the networks. my ssid id "default", wep. open. 10bit. dhcp server for lan is enabled |
| 11:26.46 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: yes iwlist scan shows them all |
| 11:26.52 | abrotman | all ? |
| 11:27.06 | doudou | Thanks, all is is getting me mad |
| 11:27.08 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: the neighbours have wifi too |
| 11:27.09 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: just eh .. you might want to change your SSID |
| 11:27.21 | xored | valdyn: it seems nothing in crontab |
| 11:27.35 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: yes i know. but my retard housemates wont allow it |
| 11:27.38 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: you might be picking up another "default" |
| 11:27.41 | fosco | hi |
| 11:27.42 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: just do it! |
| 11:27.57 | xand | ew wep |
| 11:28.02 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: no it's our default |
| 11:28.03 | fosco | does someone knows where I can find an iso image of woody ppc? |
| 11:28.10 | xand | fosco: what for? |
| 11:28.17 | fosco | my rs/6000 |
| 11:28.33 | abrotman | fosco: woody? |
| 11:28.36 | abrotman | for real ? |
| 11:28.41 | fosco | installers for etch and sarge are bugged |
| 11:28.45 | Dave_is_sex1 | fosco: on debian.org |
| 11:29.08 | Dave_is_sex1 | fosc: agreed. woody had the best installer ever |
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| 11:29.24 | fosco | etch kernel simply does not boot |
| 11:29.30 | jetscreamer | woody was old school.... imo, sarge wasn't as tight |
| 11:29.32 | fosco | sarge does not load its initrd |
| 11:29.49 | fosco | and I cannot use floppies |
| 11:29.50 | abrotman | fosco: there are two kernels on the sarge installer .. 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 11:29.58 | itchi | Someone know a good LDAP howto? |
| 11:30.12 | abrotman | itchi: openldap.org ? |
| 11:30.27 | abrotman | or ask #ldap |
| 11:30.27 | fosco | abrotman: not a kernel issue on sarge, simply does not load its initrd |
| 11:30.41 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: so any ideas? i'm sure it's the simplest thing ever. like telling wlan0 to route through 192.x |
| 11:30.45 | fosco | (shitty fully modular thing) |
| 11:30.45 | itchi | abrotman: That's not clear enought for me :-s |
| 11:30.54 | itchi | abrotman: Already done :-) |
| 11:30.55 | fosco | Dave_is_sex1: where on debian.org? |
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| 11:31.36 | abrotman | fosco: you're saying the bootloader can't find the initrd ? |
| 11:31.54 | mrynit | im doing some installs and the line i need to add says this "deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org edgy main" it came from an artical back in 2005. should i replace edgy with etch ? |
| 11:31.59 | fosco | I'm saying that |
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| 11:32.16 | fosco | RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 |
| 11:32.16 | fosco | VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly. |
| 11:32.16 | fosco | VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(3,3) |
| 11:32.17 | Dave_is_sex1 | fosco: *thinks* i used ftp and browsed through the files there |
| 11:32.39 | h3sp4wn | mrynit: ask #beryl |
| 11:32.40 | mrynit | o nvm |
| 11:32.48 | abrotman | fosco: is that after install ? |
| 11:32.54 | mrynit | before |
| 11:32.56 | fosco | oh no, it is before |
| 11:33.09 | mrynit | idk there was #beryl |
| 11:33.15 | Dave_is_sex1 | fosco: i wanted the disc for the awesome installer that lets you set things up how you want, when you want |
| 11:33.19 | mrynit | im loving this linux stuff man |
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| 11:33.48 | fosco | I only find boot floppies on ftp.debian.org |
| 11:33.50 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: yeah wait unitl you encounter 'segmentation errors' ;) |
| 11:33.59 | Dave|id | ok, for those who are internet, double keystrokes are fixed with |
| 11:34.01 | Dave|id | install noapic irqpoll acpi=force |
| 11:34.03 | Dave|id | easy as that |
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| 11:34.47 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: :o |
| 11:35.17 | jetscreamer | segfaults are just crappy error handling eh |
| 11:35.20 | xored | valdyn: hmm, my messages logs seems to be **** up somehow.i guess syslog is somehow mad... The only thing i can see there is a apt update at 4:00 but nothing special |
| 11:35.29 | reber | is it possible to make a.deb from an installed package ? |
| 11:35.32 | reber | and how |
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| 11:35.48 | xored | valdyn: which log facility to you prefe ? syslognd ? |
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| 11:35.55 | mrynit | seg faults are memory erros right? |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | fosco: email the debian-user list .. i'm not sure you can get them anymore .. |
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| 11:36.14 | xoz_ | reber: explain more |
| 11:36.37 | m`kay | hi guys. i want to go to etch. and i need a wlanpcicard. what wlanpcicard is a good one and runs out of the box with etch? |
| 11:36.45 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: not sure. i have one atm and it screws up lots of stuff. but mem errors should be solved after a restart. mine started after a power cut |
| 11:36.59 | reber | xoz, i'm looking for the package : linux-image-2.6.18-4-486. I have it installed on a pc, and i'd like to install this deb on another pc. How to do ? |
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| 11:37.11 | abrotman | !info dpkg-repack etch |
| 11:37.16 | dpkg | dpkg-repack: (puts an unpacked .deb file back together), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.25 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
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| 11:38.03 | Gryfelhase | Ahhhhh..... graveman isn't anymore in etch? What's a good equalent for burning cds/dvds? (if possible no kde or gnome-packages) |
| 11:38.07 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: i was trying to messure amperage off my power suppy while windows was running. it caused a kernel panic |
| 11:38.11 | jetscreamer | reber: just d/l it from pdo? |
| 11:38.20 | Gryfelhase | (but prefering gnome over kde;) ) |
| 11:38.23 | reber | !pdo |
| 11:38.23 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 11:38.27 | jetscreamer | k3b |
| 11:38.30 | xoz_ | reber: got it? from abrotman |
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| 11:39.21 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: see i wasn't doing anything when mine was invoked. maked me think this 'root protects everthing' philosophy is completely in vain, when everything can be screwed up in other ways |
| 11:39.42 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: any thoughs on my wlan? maybe i should just get openssh :) |
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| 11:40.11 | abrotman | fosco: or you might want to ask #debianppc on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:40.17 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: copy files and rebuild the OS |
| 11:40.19 | reber | jetscreamer, exactly what i'm trying to do, but i don't find it on pdo. It should be there : http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/06/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 11:40.37 | abrotman | uhm .. use packages.debian.org .. not snapshot |
| 11:40.39 | reber | but in don't find linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 for i386 overthere |
| 11:41.16 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrtnit: see, my point exactly. if everything can screw up to a stage that bad, i why can't i just be root all the time. i couldn't have done anything this bad |
| 11:41.18 | abrotman | reber: because there was a security update .. do you have a security apt source ? |
| 11:41.43 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image-2.6.18-4-486&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 11:41.53 | reber | abrotman, i don't care about security. I want : linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 package. |
| 11:41.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.55 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.03 | abrotman | reber: that's nice .. use security.debian.org |
| 11:42.08 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 11:42.33 | abrotman | reber: does this other machine not have internet ? |
| 11:42.39 | jetscreamer | that was hard |
| 11:42.51 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: and if i have to re-install the whole os everytime i have to cut the power (cos process management isn't good enough to allow me to kill processes which use all resources and freeze the machine) then i'll be reinstalling the os all the time. is this a filesystem issue? (seg errors) |
| 11:42.53 | mrynit | if you are a end user who knows nothing then have non root prevs is good |
| 11:42.59 | liable | a user mask of goatjockey is quite intersting.. |
| 11:43.02 | reber | jetscreamer, that's exactly what i don'twant : 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1. I want linux-image-2.6.18-4-486 package from 2006/11. |
| 11:43.04 | abrotman | reber: and you shouldn't be getting *anything* from snapshot for a stable system |
| 11:43.05 | xored | abrotman: i really running into a deadend. According to syslog /messages the server was working before i did a hw-restart..there are tons of emails fetches etc.. But to that time ssshd / mysql / apache2 was down |
| 11:43.07 | mrynit | kill -9 |
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| 11:43.15 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 11:43.45 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: No. I rest my case. My advice for you is to bring down the eth LAN (because there might be conflict issues) try to figure out why you can connect but can't ping. |
| 11:43.49 | abrotman | xored: do the syslog 'MARK" lines stop ? |
| 11:43.52 | jetscreamer | linux-image-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1_i386.deb |
| 11:44.00 | jetscreamer | re-lol |
| 11:44.17 | liable | route! |
| 11:44.19 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: have you tried ubuntu? |
| 11:44.19 | xored | abrotman: could you rephrase..dont get what you mean with "MARK", sorry |
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| 11:44.41 | liable | deriaN: paste your ifconfig and route output |
| 11:44.55 | abrotman | May 5 07:38:28 localhost -- MARK -- |
| 11:44.57 | abrotman | for example |
| 11:45.05 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: i'vre tried every major distro. ubuntu annoyed me more |
| 11:45.09 | abrotman | !mark |
| 11:45.09 | dpkg | mark was Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart. In testing or unstable change /etc/default/syslogd... |
| 11:45.11 | reber | deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool linux-2.6 got it |
| 11:45.19 | abrotman | reber: do not do that |
| 11:45.25 | mrynit | why not go with slackware or gentoo |
| 11:45.30 | abrotman | reber: those packages aren't meant for stable systems |
| 11:45.32 | reber | i'll do >:D |
| 11:45.41 | abrotman | no wonder your box doesn't work |
| 11:45.55 | xored | abrotman: i used syslognd instad of syslogd ( i changed that now ) |
| 11:46.00 | reber | heh |
| 11:46.04 | xored | iam not sure if i got this mark anyway abrotman |
| 11:46.06 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: the thing is, when you are spending week after week setting up the system and have to become root 3 times per minute, every minute, there should be a way of giving the user root privilages for the session |
| 11:46.11 | abrotman | reber: this box doesn't have internet ? |
| 11:46.20 | reber | it has |
| 11:46.25 | reber | thanks all |
| 11:46.29 | abrotman | reber: do you have a security source line or not ? |
| 11:46.45 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 11:46.48 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: that is not wise. |
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| 11:47.17 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: i just run root terminal. enter password and apt-get with no sudo |
| 11:47.23 | mrynit | maybe im root... |
| 11:47.54 | Dave_is_sex1 | hermogenes: see, that's what everyone says but my system is totalled now, because of a seg error which happened while i was me.. doing nothing as root. so how is my system safe exactly? |
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| 11:48.28 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: yes i do that. it's a freekin pain, cos once you launch one gui program, you need a new terminal in su to launch another |
| 11:48.41 | mrynit | lol |
| 11:48.49 | liable | wtf? |
| 11:48.54 | mrynit | so why are you still on debian? |
| 11:48.57 | hark | heh |
| 11:48.59 | xored | abrotman: could i maybe grep for something ? |
| 11:49.04 | liable | are we taking about debian or ubuntu here? |
| 11:49.10 | abrotman | xored: just look for a time gap in the logs |
| 11:49.12 | mrynit | same thing?? |
| 11:49.17 | liable | no |
| 11:49.33 | mrynit | how much of ubuntu is debina? |
| 11:49.34 | xored | abrotman: thats what iam doing..there is one ... before the restart.. |
| 11:49.41 | jetscreamer | Dave_is_sex1: just start an xterm then su, then start your apps from there |
| 11:49.43 | jetscreamer | sheesh |
| 11:49.48 | abrotman | xored: for how long ? |
| 11:49.52 | jetscreamer | oh wait won't work will it |
| 11:50.04 | h3sp4wn | Dave_is_sex1: use sux |
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| 11:50.14 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: its wise to protect the system from yourself. using the root account prudently helps you do that |
| 11:50.19 | liable | what the hell is the actuall problem here with root? |
| 11:50.23 | jetscreamer | it does work |
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| 11:50.28 | sep | Dave_is_sex1, i use su or sudo -s then you are root in that terminal until you exit |
| 11:50.32 | jetscreamer | he doesn't like to log in all the time |
| 11:50.45 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: well, there are no distros that i like, period. debian is the best distro to learn on, which is all i'm doing. but so far i have no wireless and a seg error, so in the last 2 and a half weeks, have learned nothing whichi i set out to: rather faffed around with basics like copy-paste and internet settings. |
| 11:50.45 | sep | Dave_is_sex1, and i never need to run a gui tool as root. can't imagine what tool that should be |
| 11:50.48 | xored | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/472180 |
| 11:51.04 | xored | abrotman: 13:02 - 13:11 |
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| 11:51.29 | abrotman | that's only 9 minutes |
| 11:51.30 | Dave_is_sex1 | sep: test editor, file manager, internet settings |
| 11:51.36 | sep | Dave_is_sex1, since you want to learn i assume you have read the reference allready ? |
| 11:51.51 | abrotman | xored: however .. i'm guessing the use of the oom-killer is bad :) |
| 11:51.55 | sep | Dave_is_sex1, as root ? with gui ? |
| 11:51.58 | Dave_is_sex1 | sep: i've read half of rute thankyou |
| 11:52.04 | sep | i have never needed that, |
| 11:52.11 | abrotman | xored: okay .. so what cron tasks run in the hour before that ? |
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| 11:52.18 | Dave_is_sex1 | sep: this seems irrelevant |
| 11:52.20 | sep | i dont need wysiwyg texteditors when root. |
| 11:52.22 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: install mc for your file editor, learn how to use nano or vim or something and just have one term open for root |
| 11:52.34 | dmilith | did anyone know how to adjust monitor brightness in x? |
| 11:52.35 | Dave_is_sex1 | sep: well we're not talking about what you need |
| 11:52.38 | xored | abrotman: thats not my soulouting..it was a hard reboot of my ISP...i just can do this though my interfaces.. |
| 11:52.46 | dmilith | i mean, i cannot do that using monitor controls |
| 11:52.48 | xored | abrotman: i checked crontab / con.weekly |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | xored: what time do they run ? |
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| 11:53.06 | xored | abrotman: nothing special there..in crontab is nothing which should have run today |
| 11:53.06 | dmilith | and i need to increase brightness of my screen (broken monitor) |
| 11:53.17 | Dave_is_sex1 | liabe: no, you see, this is not what i want to be doing. i want to install and try a bunch of science aps. not asking for a lot. i do not want to waste my life in vim |
| 11:53.19 | xored | abrotman: crontab all in the night |
| 11:53.27 | abrotman | xored: no special jobs? |
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| 11:53.38 | mrynit | Dave_is_sex1: ubuntu has good wifi support |
| 11:53.39 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: fair enough |
| 11:53.50 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: it's exctly the same |
| 11:53.50 | mrynit | 7.02 now |
| 11:53.56 | liable | mrynit: please go back to #ubuntu |
| 11:53.59 | xored | abrotman: all the normal debian stuff in the weekly / and only mysql-dumps in crontab.. |
| 11:54.04 | mrynit | sry |
| 11:54.14 | abrotman | xored: any user crontabs ? |
| 11:54.34 | Dave_is_sex1 | mrynit: my driver is fine (thanks to hermogenes) but it wants me to learn the entreity of ip tables before allowing me online. |
| 11:54.38 | xored | abrotman: "user" if oyu mean customers..no |
| 11:54.48 | Dave_is_sex1 | i mean who in their right mind would think that was ok? |
| 11:54.52 | abrotman | me |
| 11:54.56 | xored | abrotman: not allowed. Only my mysql dumps |
| 11:54.59 | abrotman | wait .. in their right mind .. nevermind |
| 11:55.20 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: what exactly is the problem with your wireless? why do you need to know iptables? |
| 11:55.31 | abrotman | xored: reschedule them .. see if the pattern follows |
| 11:55.41 | xored | ok |
| 11:55.51 | mrynit | IP freely j/k |
| 11:56.09 | abrotman | xored: you also ned to document the times to see if it's consistent |
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| 11:56.15 | aldin | hi, how do i recompile tcl/tk8.4 to have antialiased support for amsn? tk/tcl are form repos |
| 11:56.18 | abrotman | xored: is it a VPS or your own server ? |
| 11:56.18 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: and that is exactly why linux is so far behind in terms of userbase. no one will acknowledge that there are problems, and rather than fix them, devs would rather write a new media player ap (rolls eyes). how exactly is the os not the worst one available? |
| 11:56.33 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: If you are going to use debian in a daily basis I recommend you to read the Reference (aptitude install debian-reference). You'll find a lot of good information there (Its hardly a waste of time). |
| 11:56.34 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: uhm .. my wifi just works :) |
| 11:56.58 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: have you tried with your wired lan down ? |
| 11:57.02 | xored | abrotman: VPS ? |
| 11:57.11 | abrotman | a shared server |
| 11:57.27 | jetscreamer | virtual private server |
| 11:57.32 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: yep. and because it does, you will never contribute to a project to improve things. I'm sure every dev's wifi works just fine. |
| 11:57.35 | xand | Dave_is_sex1: obviously media players are written by the same people that write drivers and the kernel |
| 11:58.02 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: yes, i have tried everyting everyone has suggested for an age. it's all rubbish, no-one knows enough |
| 11:58.10 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: and i'll also not contribute because i don't have hardware that is broken .. nor do i want to spend my money to get broken hardware :) |
| 11:58.22 | jetscreamer | i guess it's time to install windows then Dave_is_sex1 |
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| 11:58.42 | Dave_is_sex1 | jetscreamer: for goodness sake, go up and read why i have debian |
| 11:58.44 | liable | this is turning into a rant |
| 11:58.46 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: can you paste your interfaces file .. (obfuscate your WEP key) |
| 11:58.54 | liable | why? |
| 11:59.01 | abrotman | why what? |
| 11:59.05 | liable | obfuscate a wep key? |
| 11:59.07 | hark | Dave_is_sex1: tried network-manager? |
| 11:59.07 | kairu0 | does any repo have transmission-gtk 0.72? |
| 11:59.13 | abrotman | liable: don't ask me .. some people are weird |
| 11:59.14 | Dave_is_sex1 | liable: yes it is. but only because people are responging with generic answers, not case specific answers |
| 11:59.21 | Dave_is_sex1 | hark: have it |
| 11:59.25 | liable | abrotman: i'll give you my wpa key if you like :) |
| 11:59.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: no |
| 11:59.39 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: you won't paste it ? |
| 11:59.46 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: i ask a specific question, yet you didnt answer |
| 11:59.47 | abrotman | liable: i know where you live! |
| 11:59.53 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: well how will that help? |
| 11:59.53 | jetscreamer | kairu0: transmission seems kinda featureless |
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| 12:00.03 | liable | abrotman: you can use my wireless, i dont mind |
| 12:00.05 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: because that's where the wifi is configured ? |
| 12:00.06 | vchrizz | Dave_is_sex1, abrotman: well, i may have hardware which isnt quite easy to get running, but i still take the time to setup my lenny for everyday work! and if i find some error/bug i report that so it can be fixed |
| 12:00.17 | kairu0 | jetscreamer, lol i know thats the problem. 0.72 looks like it has a few more options |
| 12:00.26 | Dave_is_sex1 | fine. how do i do that. and you can see the key for all i care |
| 12:00.31 | abrotman | vchrizz: and that's good .. filing bugs is a good way to contribute |
| 12:00.41 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:00.41 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 12:00.56 | jetscreamer | !info ah |
| 12:01.00 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 12:01.02 | hark | Dave_is_sex1: then, that should just work for most cases (just make sure the interface is not in your /etc/network/interfaces file) |
| 12:01.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:01.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:01.10 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: no, how do i get the info |
| 12:01.14 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: giving a wep or internal ip adress is perfectly safe, i laugh my ass off every time i see someone substitute it |
| 12:01.21 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:01.22 | Dave_is_sex1 | hark: yes it should. great. it doesn't |
| 12:01.36 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sex1: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:01.36 | abrotman | hark: why not in it? |
| 12:01.37 | vchrizz | since im using linux (esp. debian) i really love it and never would change back to windows again (well, i dont play games so no need for that bullsh*t :P) |
| 12:01.54 | liable | abrotman: its a known prolem with it apperently |
| 12:02.01 | hark | abrotman: for NM, that's the way it's set up |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:02.09 | liable | abrotman: if its in interfaces nm doesnt like it |
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| 12:02.21 | abrotman | i've never used NM .. so i can't comment :) |
| 12:02.30 | abrotman | the little gnome thingie seems okay with it |
| 12:02.33 | liable | me either, but i have heard it many times |
| 12:02.36 | abrotman | though i think i added my key manually |
| 12:02.40 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: oh right, sorry i forgot. i can't open text files cos of a segmentaion error |
| 12:02.52 | liable | real men use wpa_supllicant.conf |
| 12:03.04 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: has it occured to you that if you can't .. the system can't ? |
| 12:03.16 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: cat /etc/network.interface |
| 12:03.31 | liable | Dave_is_sex1: cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:03.45 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove and purge everything except the courier*,exim* and base packages and reinstall them? |
| 12:03.47 | vchrizz | i just dont understand people who arent satisfied with windows, taking the time to read docs or googling around. my opinion is, that they are just extremely lazy! :D |
| 12:03.57 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 12:03.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 12:04.05 | vchrizz | else they would all use linux today :) |
| 12:04.14 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: wrong as usual. the system can. and i can as ROOT. which i should be anyway since i am not ising the system but setting it up |
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| 12:04.17 | dutchfish | !purge |
| 12:04.17 | dpkg | hmm... purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
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| 12:04.28 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: dselect rocks for that, just purge entire sections/headers |
| 12:04.54 | liable | vchrizz: its easy to get very fucking frustrated on one little thing that should work, yet you are missing something |
| 12:05.02 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, k thx |
| 12:05.08 | liable | dselect *graon* |
| 12:05.11 | xand | Dave_is_sex1: you should fix the problem whereby you "can't open text files" before worrying about wireless |
| 12:05.12 | liable | groan even |
| 12:05.30 | xand | because something's rather broken if that's happening |
| 12:05.37 | jetscreamer | does aptitude allow you to select/manipulate entire sections? |
| 12:05.40 | kairu0 | how do i show dependencies of a .deb file thats not in the repos btw? |
| 12:05.45 | HardDisk_WP | how do I operate dselect?! |
| 12:05.48 | jetscreamer | Dave_is_sex1 should do fix-unmet |
| 12:06.02 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: _ purges stuff |
| 12:06.05 | jetscreamer | - uninstalls |
| 12:06.09 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: as usual? |
| 12:06.15 | jetscreamer | highlight a header and purge it |
| 12:06.26 | jetscreamer | Optional comes to mind |
| 12:06.32 | liable | abrotman: he's angry :) |
| 12:06.32 | abrotman | kairu0: dpkg -I pkg.deb |
| 12:06.34 | vchrizz | liable: well, i got frustrated many times e.g. when setting up my system with raid or getting many things to work, but i think thats the 'fun' thing in linux... to work as long as needed till it works... ;) |
| 12:06.39 | abrotman | liable: not a good way to get help :) |
| 12:06.40 | hark | kairu0: if it's installed, an apt-cache depends packagename |
| 12:06.49 | liable | abrotman: i know, but it happens |
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| 12:06.55 | kairu0 | abrotman, thnkx |
| 12:07.09 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: /msg dpkg fix-unmet, except you want to select/deselect/purge stuff |
| 12:07.11 | vchrizz | and when you got it working, you are real glad seeing it works :) |
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| 12:07.39 | jetscreamer | tell Root1 -about xiang |
| 12:07.42 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 12:07.50 | abrotman | hey look .. i was right! |
| 12:07.52 | HardDisk_WP | jetscreamer, dselect is really complex thing...i think i'll make that manual better |
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| 12:08.12 | vchrizz | i cant even tell how glad i am looking at my pc with running lenny and everything works just like under windows ;) and the best is, i just needed a week for it or so |
| 12:08.20 | jetscreamer | HardDisk_WP: it's not really, shift+i makes the list longer btw... it's just messy looking imo |
| 12:08.30 | HardDisk_WP | how can I *access* the list? |
| 12:08.30 | jetscreamer | but whatever you're comfy with |
| 12:08.36 | HardDisk_WP | i didnt even get to that :p |
| 12:08.39 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 12:08.40 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
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| 12:09.04 | jetscreamer | option 2 iirc |
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| 12:09.43 | vchrizz | !tell me about xen |
| 12:09.51 | Dave_is_sexy | ...and that is the exact same thing which happened last time which caused my seg error. so, forget what just happened, or anyhting else: WHAT IS A SEG ERROR? and what causes them? |
| 12:09.52 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg xen |
| 12:10.20 | Naib | hi, I have found a debian package for the 2.6.20 kernel (requried for a sensor on my EPIA board), but how can I apt-get it? |
| 12:10.23 | Elive_user4 | i have debian lenny on sata raid i installed a ide hd installed elive on it. in order to boot from ide i need to disable scsi boot then it boots from my ide otherwise all i see is my lenny install on my sata drives how can i see both os.? |
| 12:10.24 | jetscreamer | segfault is like a generic error message, iirc, bad error handler |
| 12:10.25 | Naib | http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 12:10.42 | xand | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmentation_fault |
| 12:10.47 | dutchfish | Naib, dpkg -i |
| 12:10.57 | vchrizz | jetscreamer: i know, just tested if dpkg also tells _me_ instead of someone else ;) |
| 12:11.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 12:11.24 | liable | !segfault |
| 12:11.25 | dpkg | methinks segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 12:11.30 | Dave_is_sexy | jetscreamer: useful error message then. well you would think it's down to the fs given it happened after a power cut. no? |
| 12:11.36 | jetscreamer | Elive_user4: fix the menu.lst? |
| 12:11.51 | mrynit | how can i edit my xorg.conf file in gui? |
| 12:11.53 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: its a bad bug in whatever app you are running when it happens |
| 12:12.08 | jetscreamer | sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf always make a backup |
| 12:12.14 | jetscreamer | or any editor |
| 12:12.22 | dutchfish | mrynit, dpkg-reconfigure Xserver-xorg |
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| 12:12.29 | Dave_is_sexy | on average, this error (100% resources used, no way to kill) happens oncce per day for no reason. which means i will et a seg error everyday, which meand i will have to wipe the os every day |
| 12:12.33 | mrynit | dutchfish ummm |
| 12:12.50 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: so.. mousepad? |
| 12:12.55 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: are you running etch? |
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| 12:13.29 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: you saying that using your mouse causes a sgfault? |
| 12:13.30 | Dave_is_sexy | in addition, since the first power cut (yes etch) root cannot run scripts. PERMISSION DENIED. what caused that, and how can it be fixed? |
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| 12:13.40 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: mousepad is a program |
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| 12:13.58 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: does dmesg list lots of errors? |
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| 12:14.00 | Samus_Aran | does anyone know how I could modify the version information stored in a .deb file ? |
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| 12:14.14 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: sounds like some hardware got damaged by the power cut |
| 12:14.18 | doudou | how i know libpcap version? |
| 12:14.20 | xand | or the harddisk corrupted |
| 12:14.29 | hark | wow, someone actually uses the mousepad editor? |
| 12:14.35 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: as root 'touch /forcefsck' reboot |
| 12:14.35 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: no |
| 12:14.38 | vchrizz | doudou: e.g.: dpkg -l | grep libpcap |
| 12:14.41 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: done |
| 12:14.54 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: you have done that before? |
| 12:15.05 | abrotman | seems pretty sure |
| 12:15.09 | Dave_is_sexy | people just keep saying the same things. i think i hit the knowledge boundary 2 days ago |
| 12:15.16 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: YES |
| 12:15.34 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: and when it reboots it says the disk is clean |
| 12:15.59 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: dude, we are trying to help, no need to be an asshole about it |
| 12:16.05 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: well soem hardware never got damaged on windows in 7 years. or does linux include hardware damaginf modules? |
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| 12:16.12 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: correct |
| 12:16.23 | Elive_user4 | all connector cables to drive are working fine? |
| 12:16.28 | Dave_is_sexy | yep |
| 12:16.42 | doudou | vchrizz, ii libpcap0.7 0.7.2-7 and ii libpcap0.8 0.9.5-1, i have two? |
| 12:16.45 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: because all power cuts are identical |
| 12:16.46 | abrotman | because i'm an idiot .. why isn't he just changing the interfaces file again ? |
| 12:16.48 | liable | you've run memtest? |
| 12:17.45 | doudou | vchrizz, how to register to python channel? |
| 12:17.45 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: my my are you still at this same issue and still have not posted the precise command / error / ls -l output? |
| 12:17.46 | Elive_user4 | ahhh got em on mem test |
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| 12:17.46 | rebecca_ | hey, how do i change my keyboard localisation? |
| 12:18.04 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 12:18.04 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 12:18.04 | x_link | hrmm |
| 12:18.04 | rebecca_ | thanks :) |
| 12:18.05 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: the command does nothing |
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| 12:18.09 | Elive_user4 | can we consider elive debian? please |
| 12:18.11 | vchrizz | doudou: well, i dont think dpkg lies, seems you got two versions ... register to python chan? |
| 12:18.17 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: have you run memtest? |
| 12:18.18 | x_link | I use KDE right now on Debian... but it seems like I still use some GNOME programs. So if I remove GNOME totaly from my system then those programs will be removed as well, right? |
| 12:18.20 | abrotman | Elive_user4: in #elive you can do whatever you want |
| 12:18.31 | jetscreamer | policycoreutils depends on sepolgen ... sepolgen does not appear to be available ... whenTF will it be available, this is worse than kbuild was, for length of time |
| 12:18.32 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: no. that is new info. i wil do that |
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| 12:19.04 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: FYI a recent power cut here killed a windows box |
| 12:19.06 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: run it overnight (its a bastard thing that takes ages to run a complete test) |
| 12:19.17 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, define "100% resources used" |
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| 12:19.23 | Dave_is_sexy | lible: i don't have it, nor does apt |
| 12:19.33 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: memtest86 |
| 12:19.38 | valdyn | !info memtest |
| 12:19.40 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex: cpu, memory, and permanent hdd activity |
| 12:19.41 | valdyn | both exists |
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| 12:20.08 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: you need to reboot to start it, it runs from grub |
| 12:20.08 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, when this happens, have you tried checking what is causing it? |
| 12:20.16 | xored | how can i stop postfix / mail spam into the syslog or just pipe that into an other logfile ? |
| 12:20.21 | valdyn | oh, its memtester ( but you're supposed to use memtest86 anyway ) |
| 12:20.27 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex: when this happens i can't even move the mouse |
| 12:20.27 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: I feel stupid..I got asterisk/destar working on a friends box, but I knocked down his nic ;-( |
| 12:20.31 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, eg by running 'top' and checking what is using all memory and all cpu |
| 12:20.35 | Elive_user4 | some live cd's also come with memtest |
| 12:20.39 | valdyn | xored: /etc/syslog.conf i guess |
| 12:20.41 | abrotman | mfrisc1: so stop doing that |
| 12:20.47 | Root1 | jetscreamer:if I use the debian net CD,which desktop will install,G or K or X,or by your choose? |
| 12:20.52 | Dave_is_sexy | eulexs: well yes, it woul be nice if the os made provision for that wouln't it? |
| 12:20.52 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, ctrl-alt-f1 etc doesn't respond? you can't ssh into the box? |
| 12:20.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone here know a tool for learning english vocabulary with debian ? so that when i start into X11 it should ask me 4-5 vocabularys per login or so =) |
| 12:21.00 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex: no it does not |
| 12:21.03 | rocketmagnet | is such a tool allready available on debian |
| 12:21.03 | doudou | vchrizz, how to be identified to go to #python? |
| 12:21.05 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: playing with the nic over ssh yeah. |
| 12:21.06 | dutchfish | Dave_is_sexy, thi smight be usefull: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/nethogs |
| 12:21.07 | abrotman | !info memtest86 etch |
| 12:21.12 | dpkg | memtest86: (A thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 3.2-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 56 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
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| 12:21.20 | valdyn | Root1: X is the foundation for any desktop environment. You can install any of those or all |
| 12:21.21 | Sergo | hello |
| 12:21.29 | abrotman | mfrisc1: i've never used asterisk .. don't know much about it |
| 12:21.31 | Elive_user4 | i would try running a live cd untill i crashed |
| 12:21.49 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: really, if you arent doing anything special, and your fsck come back clean, it sounds like hardware |
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| 12:21.55 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: well he wanted gnugk and well that just sucks ;-) |
| 12:21.57 | valdyn | Root1: the desktop task installs gnome and kde, iirc |
| 12:22.05 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: and yet win2k is still perfect |
| 12:22.13 | abrotman | mfrisc1: where you do you find all these programs?! |
| 12:22.16 | Sergo | how to make laptop scroll to get working |
| 12:22.39 | Sergo | on windows xp it's working |
| 12:22.42 | valdyn | !tell Dave_is_sexy -about ask |
| 12:22.45 | sep | my apache server is hanging. only a single httpd process remaining. is there any way i can see what that process is up to ? |
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| 12:23.06 | abrotman | why not using interfaces file again ? |
| 12:23.07 | valdyn | sep: in which state is it? |
| 12:23.08 | xored | valdyn: could you give an example ? |
| 12:23.09 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: aptitude. they are on the mirrors. Even debian's asterisk has gotten A LOT better lately. |
| 12:23.12 | liable | Dave_is_sexy: i would agree that it sounds purely linux's fault, but just run the test |
| 12:23.14 | doudou | vchrizz, how can i remove libpcap0.7 |
| 12:23.36 | valdyn | xored: have you read that config file yet? |
| 12:23.37 | abrotman | mfrisc1: i don't have the harware to play with it .. which in Dave_is_sexy's eyes .. makes me a failure |
| 12:23.38 | Root1 | valdyn:I mean "is it will install a desktop environment default" |
| 12:24.02 | xored | valdyn: opend...read..but not sure about the syntax yet |
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| 12:24.03 | sep | valdyn, running using 6% cpu |
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| 12:24.20 | Dave_is_sexy | so, nobody here, in all there year in debian has ever experienced a complete loss of control because all (ALL) resources are used completely and they cannot even get to command? yet, i find this problem straight away, when running next to nothing. ? |
| 12:24.23 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: hardware? you just need a decent softphone and headset these days, well a real phone is real nice |
| 12:24.23 | xored | valdyn: like facility.logtype logto |
| 12:24.37 | sep | why does top report that process as httpd, while ps aux reports it as /usr/sbin/apache2 ?? |
| 12:24.44 | valdyn | Root1: the installer will bring a selection dialogue where you can pick collections of software to install. One of those optional collections is "Desktop Environment". |
| 12:24.47 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: sure. i have it happen to overloaded servers all the time |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: did your entire system just lockup ? |
| 12:25.00 | jetscreamer | tasksel sucks |
| 12:25.02 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: and it does daily for no reason at all |
| 12:25.08 | abrotman | it has a rason |
| 12:25.09 | abrotman | reason |
| 12:25.13 | hermogenes | Sergo: What's your hardware? paste your /etc/xorg.conf here: http://channels.debian.net/paste and send us the link |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | mfrisc1: i don't have those either :) |
| 12:25.20 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, you're running Xfce, right? well, there's a memory leak in libxfce4util caused by glib 2.10 crippling certain functions that allocate memory in slices they consider deprecated so they wouldn't release the memory allocated. this manifested itself in xfdesktop and the menu plugin for the panel leaking a lot of memory. this was also fixed in 4.4.1. this might be a possibility to what is causing your problems, but it's odd that it'd cause |
| 12:25.20 | Eulex | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.21 | jetscreamer | for sucking? |
| 12:25.23 | sep | so is there any way i can see what it is doing ? |
| 12:25.25 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: that is almost definately a hardware problem |
| 12:25.27 | Elive_user4 | dave it that was my pc it would be fixed |
| 12:25.36 | hermogenes | /etc/X11/xorg.conf* |
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| 12:25.42 | Dave_is_sexy | well, it's running gaim and thunar (and terminal). can't it handle that? |
| 12:25.44 | valdyn | xored: there's mail examples in there |
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| 12:25.58 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, oh, btw, have you got a swap partition or file? |
| 12:26.03 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: it doesn't matter what you are running if you have, perhaps, a bad memory module |
| 12:26.03 | hermogenes | Sergo: /etc/X11/xorg.conf* |
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| 12:26.07 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: I all ways thought a voip chat line for debian would be interesting ;-) |
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| 12:26.21 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex:i know there's a mem leak, but the system isn't up long enough to suffer from it |
| 12:26.24 | xored | valdyn: the thing is..my system crashes sometimes and i want tom logfiles which are not only filled with mail mail mail ( syslog / messafges) |
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| 12:26.29 | abrotman | mfrisc1: i'd rather not hear liable shriek like a girl :) |
| 12:26.37 | dutchfish | lolz |
| 12:26.39 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: hehe |
| 12:26.40 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: how do you know there is a memory leak? |
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| 12:26.53 | Elive_user4 | quality memory 11 2,2,2 mushkin here what are you using dave? |
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| 12:27.11 | valdyn | xored: there already is specific logfiles, like /var/log/kern.log |
| 12:27.23 | valdyn | xored: syslog is the catchall logfile |
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| 12:27.32 | Sergo | hermogenes yes, and? |
| 12:27.34 | valdyn | xored: you can modify this: *.* catches ( nearly ) everything |
| 12:27.35 | Sergo | =] |
| 12:27.41 | Root1 | valdyn:I see,thanks,:P |
| 12:27.50 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: google: xfce. i'm sure that you'll see it on the first page. visit their irc for a minute, someone will mention it, or jpoin their list and look in the archove for any day |
| 12:27.56 | abrotman | Elive_user4: you can stop anytime |
| 12:27.58 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: i'd say it's quite well know |
| 12:27.59 | Dave_is_sexy | n |
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| 12:28.07 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what do you mean? |
| 12:28.15 | itchi | How can i delete line X of foo ? |
| 12:28.16 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what will i see? |
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| 12:28.25 | valdyn | xored: to save your system defaults i would add a new logfile catching the specific stuff you want. |
| 12:28.27 | hermogenes | Sergo: Where's the link? |
| 12:28.37 | valdyn | xored: if there isnt already one catching waht you want ( like kernel errors ) |
| 12:28.38 | xored | valdyn: iam just somehow suggestion, something is wront with proftpd with the new etch..people have problems conneciton and what i can see...the last thign was done was an upload of pictures on the server |
| 12:28.43 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: you asked how i know therer is a memory leak, in respionse to "i know xfce has memory leaks" |
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| 12:28.59 | jonzz | hey, im in command line right now and whatever i type like "apt-get install fluxbox" "apt-get clean" it says /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) Unable to lock the administration directory (var/lib/dpkg), are you root? |
| 12:29.05 | xored | valdyn: kernel logs are not helping..there are only messages of reboots yet..nothing other things |
| 12:29.06 | loca|host | how to shutdown minicom ? |
| 12:29.06 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: you will see people talking baout mem leaks in xfce |
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| 12:29.30 | sep | on another identical server. top reports apache2 as apache2 |
| 12:29.30 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: is there a bug filed? |
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| 12:29.30 | sep | is the box rootkitted |
| 12:29.31 | jonzz | i am logged on as root |
| 12:29.31 | itchi | jonzz: Are you been root? |
| 12:29.31 | Eulex | stew, it's even fixed upstream. |
| 12:29.31 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: have you seen any evidence of the memory leak on YOUR system? |
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| 12:29.31 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: of course there's a bug, filed and fixed |
| 12:29.31 | jonzz | yes |
| 12:29.38 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: ok. so what is the problem then? |
| 12:29.44 | jetscreamer | nano has been updated in sid! everybody get it now!!! (nano is so 1337) |
| 12:29.50 | muh2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.52 | itchi | jonzz: Is the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock there? |
| 12:29.54 | xored | valdyn: are there any alternatives / better ftp server then proftpd ? |
| 12:30.21 | liable | nano is ok |
| 12:30.21 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 12:30.21 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: it doens;t matter, i don't have a mem leak problem. why are you asking baout it? |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | stew: he can't get his wireless to work and won't provde any useful info to actually debug (at least from what i've seen) |
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| 12:30.24 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: uhh, you were talking about it. i was going to offer help |
| 12:30.28 | jetscreamer | liable: i like that it functions and doesn't bork... that's ok in my book. |
| 12:30.29 | abrotman | he can't view text files as a user .. just root |
| 12:30.33 | Elive_user4 | i have an overclocked p2 366 clocked to 450 running printserver and nfs it has one 98 meg of ram up for 10 days now |
| 12:30.40 | Sergo | hermogenes: http://paste.debian.net/27206 |
| 12:30.48 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you have an actual question you need help with? or are you just here to complain that you seemingly don't like linux? |
| 12:30.56 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: well done. thankyou for listening |
| 12:31.00 | itchi | Elive_user4: Remove 60% of his life run |
| 12:31.02 | jonzz | itchi how can i check |
| 12:31.03 | jetscreamer | Elive_user4: my 33 has been @500 for like 3-5 years |
| 12:31.07 | jetscreamer | err 333 |
| 12:31.12 | Sergo | i need to make working the laptop scroll... |
| 12:31.12 | itchi | jonzz: ls /path/of/file |
| 12:31.17 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: are you going to scroll up to find out, or request everything be repeated for you? |
| 12:31.17 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: i'm not even paying attention .. you didnt' show me the file i asked for .. i stopped caring :) |
| 12:31.19 | Sergo | mouse scroll is working fine |
| 12:31.37 | jetscreamer | iirc the 366's didn't o/c well though |
| 12:31.38 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: it wouldn't help, i've posted it before |
| 12:31.39 | Gryfelhase | good newms.... is it likely, that mmy pentiumII mobile can do the same? :) |
| 12:31.43 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you also apparently didn't give valdyn the output of his command |
| 12:31.45 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, well, what do you mean by "cpu, memory, and permanent hdd activity" then? |
| 12:31.45 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: I have a little, well a lot off topic ? I backed up that damn ntfs with mondo and it did something but I don't know what, does any backup do large file format (not each file a dump) of ntfs? |
| 12:31.45 | loca|host | howto exit minicom ? |
| 12:31.48 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: *I* didn't see it |
| 12:31.57 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: i did, i only saw complaints, no acutal questions. so yes, i'm oging to request that you drop all the other nonsense and just repeat the question. and if abrotman is correct that you won't provide any useful info, please do so |
| 12:32.03 | Elive_user4 | i get ram warnings in post runs great |
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| 12:32.08 | Samus_Aran | does anyone know how I could modify the version information stored in a .deb file ? I still haven't found a tool to do that |
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| 12:32.16 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: not do large file |
| 12:32.41 | itchi | Samus_Aran: With 'ar' for example |
| 12:32.41 | Naib | yer deb's are just archives |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | mfrisc1: how big is big ? |
| 12:32.42 | jetscreamer | 'lol |
| 12:32.59 | muh2000 | the driver for tun tap is built in the kernel |
| 12:33.02 | jetscreamer | oh no he's going to change debian to ubuntu!!! |
| 12:33.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 12:33.14 | jonzz | itchi i typed ls /var/lib/dpkg and lock is shown |
| 12:33.16 | itchi | Samus_Aran: Just extract that archive |
| 12:33.17 | liable | heh |
| 12:33.19 | hermogenes | Sergo: Now, you have to describe me your hardware. |
| 12:33.22 | valdyn | xored: cant tell you how to exlucde just mail from syslog, you'd have to read the manpage |
| 12:33.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman: nothing important |
| 12:33.29 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: how do i fix a seg error? |
| 12:33.35 | jetscreamer | i'm cool with it |
| 12:33.35 | itchi | jonzz: Are there some other (aptitude, dpkg, ...) process running? |
| 12:33.42 | xored | valdyn: reading a howto right now... |
| 12:34.06 | xored | valdyn: maybe you could me give m an example of an logfiles which takes system critical / application critical stuff |
| 12:34.09 | itchi | jonzz: If not, remove the lock file, not the whole dire as you showed |
| 12:34.11 | jonzz | how may i check that? i started debian 3 days ago |
| 12:34.15 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: well it chops it into 4mb archives and there is no archive file list just the parts. If I back up say this guys stupid files on another ntfs I guess I would get the same affect? |
| 12:34.20 | Naib | jonzz, if you have lsof you can use that to find what has a lock on the database |
| 12:34.24 | Sergo | hermogenes laptop x11 |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | mfrisc1: oh .. |
| 12:34.28 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, a segmentation fault might be caused by _anything_, but means that there is something wrong somewhere in the program or its libraries. there is no universal fix. |
| 12:34.36 | Sergo | hermogenes: Samsung X06 |
| 12:34.37 | Sergo | sorry |
| 12:34.39 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: recompile the program with debugging info and make sure to not strip it. then run the program in a debugger such as gdb and step through it until you can find the instruction which is causing it to segfault. this is always a bug of the class where it is trying to access memory it should't. fix that bug |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | Eulex: or faulty hardware |
| 12:34.53 | Eulex | abrotman, indeed |
| 12:34.55 | Sergo | germogenes: Laptop Samsung x06 |
| 12:34.58 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex: yes i got that much. |
| 12:35.03 | itchi | jonzz: Did you end a aptitude, dpkg proccess in an unexpected way? |
| 12:35.06 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: bt (backtrace) in gdb usually will point to the error. |
| 12:35.19 | Elive_user4 | my elive background is so cool its says and i quote "where debian meets enlightenment" end quote |
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| 12:35.28 | mfrisc1 | abrotman: I don't know if it will put it together right ;-) |
| 12:35.31 | Elive_user4 | bad ass |
| 12:35.35 | jonzz | i believe not, all i did was boot into command line by pressing alt+ctrl+f2 |
| 12:35.37 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: do you have a segfault that is repeatable? or is it happening seemingly randomly? |
| 12:35.37 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: yes, unbelievalbly i have recompiled the program and nothing is different. dunno how to do the debugger thing. |
| 12:35.43 | abrotman | Elive_user4: tell #elive .. we don't care |
| 12:35.46 | valdyn | xored: i would start with "kern.* -/var/log/kern.log", that's already in syslog.conf |
| 12:35.51 | Dave_is_sexy | see i have doone a lot of work in these whole days |
| 12:35.59 | valdyn | xored: since your system is crashing it must be kernel related |
| 12:36.05 | Sergo | thanks to lal |
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| 12:36.15 | Elive_user4 | hahahah your so kind |
| 12:36.17 | Sergo | hermogenes: i found the solution on website: http://www.debuntu.org/2006/06/18/67-how-to-setting-up-touchpad-on-a-laptop-a-complete-guide/5 |
| 12:36.20 | jonzz | when i type lsof, a long list of info came out |
| 12:36.20 | Sergo | =] |
| 12:36.22 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: is there a discrete set of steps you can do to always generate the segfault? |
| 12:36.26 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: if the error is repeatable, it is easy to know using gdb what causes it. |
| 12:36.38 | Dave_is_sexy | steW: repeatable. but what's interesting is teh seg fault seems to be linked to mousepad (an text editor) and to root's permission to run scripts |
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| 12:36.47 | xored | valdyn: iam not sure if tis "creashing" i just cant connect through ssh, apache, pop / imap / smtp |
| 12:36.52 | valdyn | xored: so if the error did not immediately make logging impossible it should be at /var/log/kern.log* |
| 12:36.56 | xored | valdyn: i still can "ping it2 |
| 12:37.07 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you give an exact example yet of the "root's permission to run scripts" problem? |
| 12:37.11 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: i see. no one else mentioned that in the last x hours |
| 12:37.13 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is the program that segfaults? |
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| 12:37.32 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: yes it says in terminal "permission denied" |
| 12:37.39 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: when you type what command? |
| 12:37.39 | hermogenes | Sergo: Good. If you have any problems, come back. I'll try to help. |
| 12:37.40 | valdyn | xored: that's ok, i doesnt have to reset the system or disable everything to be a crashed kernel driver |
| 12:37.42 | Dave_is_sexy | so it's fairly simple |
| 12:37.44 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: with what editor ? |
| 12:37.47 | Alarm | hello, how can i check if my nvidia drivers are working properly and installed correctly ? |
| 12:37.48 | xored | valdyn: should i maybe replace proftpd with vsftpd ? |
| 12:37.51 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, might your mousepadrc be corrupted? |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: and which file ? |
| 12:37.55 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what command gives you permission denied? |
| 12:37.58 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ./script.sh |
| 12:38.03 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: enable dump core. |
| 12:38.08 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what does "ls -l script.sh" say? |
| 12:38.08 | jwisher | does anyone know the package berkeley db is it? i need db3 specifically |
| 12:38.10 | xored | valdyn: but there is just nothing in the kernel log..until i reboot |
| 12:38.11 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: no editor |
| 12:38.21 | valdyn | xored: umm, randomly changing components doesnt fix anything but may avoid the crash, sure |
| 12:38.21 | wietz0r | I'm trying to setup selinux on debian, but it when I check the install for problems it says "Old style ttys were found." How can I fix this ? |
| 12:38.23 | schoppenhauer | hello. i am currently trying to compile Mupen64 under debian. Not at the moment (because at the moment my pc is repaired and i do not have an own with it working), but in the next weeks, when I will get it back. Since before i had my laptop repaired i already had some success in doing that, and there is no debian-package for mupen64 yet, at least as far as i see, i would maybe take the time to build and contribute some. however, i ... |
| 12:38.29 | schoppenhauer | ... only have some expieriences with any2deb, alien and checkinstall - which is certainly not enough for building such a package. I cannot find the Webpage about building packages (i had it bookmarked, but i have somehow lost the bookmark). since i have time now (but no computer to do) i would like to read it now. any suggestions, what i should read before trying to build such a package? anything else to do, i.e. licensing-terms ... |
| 12:38.36 | schoppenhauer | ... (afaik, mupen64 is under GPL, but i am not sure, so maybe i have to contact the programmer first or so). I generally dont know much about the Process of Package-Providing. I will build a Package for myself, and since others wish a Package for mupen64 on the bugreports-list, i would take the time if possible. |
| 12:38.39 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 12:38.49 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: hmm. i posted that in a paste bin yesterday and no one knew. i will do it again |
| 12:39.02 | xored | valdyn: May 1 14:26:31 kilo075 kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 12:39.03 | xored | May 5 13:11:47 kilo075 kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x601d2, order=0 |
| 12:39.06 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: also paste the contents of the script |
| 12:39.07 | wietz0r | aah, nevermind I figured it oot |
| 12:39.11 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: please include the first line of the script as well |
| 12:39.15 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, is this a 'mousepad-always-crashes-on-start' bug? |
| 12:39.21 | valdyn | schoppenhauer: i wonder who you are expecting to read thru all this and filter the actual question |
| 12:39.22 | xored | valdyn: 1.may was the last reboot because of the crash.. |
| 12:39.42 | xoz | !core dump |
| 12:39.43 | dpkg | core dump is probably In UNIX systems, when a program crashes, it "dumps" out an image of the memory and registers so that you may go through and see what caused the problem. This is almost as useful as the Netware and Windows NT memory dumps (which is not very, if you can't taste my sarcasm)., or `gdb program_name core' and then `where'. |
| 12:39.48 | valdyn | xored: nice, you went out of ram for some reason |
| 12:39.52 | stew | schoppenhauer: have you read the new maintainer's guide? (/msg dpkg mg) |
| 12:39.55 | Dave_is_sexy | eulex: no that is a seperate mousepad does not satrt due to seg error bug |
| 12:40.09 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what does "mousepad not start" mean? |
| 12:40.19 | itchi | schoppenhauer: You may interested to post that on the Usenet |
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| 12:40.38 | Eulex | Dave_is_sexy, what are the contents of ~/.config/mousepad/mousepadrc? |
| 12:40.47 | abrotman | he has a new fangled USB mousepad! |
| 12:40.49 | valdyn | xored: you need a way to reproduce this error.. |
| 12:41.18 | stew | oh mousepad is a program |
| 12:41.21 | hark | mousepad is a notepad clone |
| 12:41.29 | schoppenhauer | stew: no, not yet, didnt even know it existed. tkanks. i will do so. *w00t* there is even a german version. |
| 12:41.30 | jonzz | hey itchi, i got it, i typed "su" and then it asked for my password and i logged on |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:41.44 | jonzz | but i was already logged on as root, lol weird |
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| 12:42.04 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: set ulimit -c to a large value |
| 12:42.19 | abrotman | to run notepad ? |
| 12:42.31 | Samus_Aran | itchi: I tried extracting with ar x foo.deb, then I edited the version info and recreated the .deb file, but when I try to install it, dpkg doesn't think it is a Debian archive file. do you know what options to 'ar' I need to use ? |
| 12:42.43 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.44 | stew | schoppenhauer: you can apt-get it and read it locally (in german) as well. read through that guide, and if you have further questions, the bast places to ask are http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-mentors |
| 12:42.53 | blinx | h |
| 12:43.00 | hermogenes | CharminTheMoose: yes |
| 12:43.01 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, DISPLAY=FOO command |
| 12:43.13 | schoppenhauer | stew: thank you. |
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| 12:44.08 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex, as in 'DISPLAY=:1'? |
| 12:44.18 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, for example, yes |
| 12:44.28 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1688185 2007-02-22 22:14 installer.sh which is correct. no probs there |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | and the contents of the file ? |
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| 12:45.08 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you run it with "sh -x installer.sh" and post the output? |
| 12:45.47 | itchi | Samus_Aran: You first need to extract the file of that archive. Then modify these files. And as last, update the modified files in that archive |
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| 12:46.26 | itchi | Samus_Aran: You not re create a new archive, just update the content of that archive |
| 12:46.30 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: an easy way to do this would be to run "script /tmp/installer.log" which will start logging everything in that terminal to a file, then run "sh -x .installer.sh" then "exit" then you can upload /tmp/installer.log to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 12:46.48 | Samus_Aran | itchi: okay, I will try again not recreating the archive |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | and what's the installer for ? |
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| 12:47.04 | mrynit | is there an ipod manager that can write audio files to an ipod? i have an ipod manager that can read from the ipod but cant write |
| 12:47.17 | abrotman | gtkpod |
| 12:47.29 | xoz | mrynit: apt-cache search ipod |
| 12:47.33 | alleyoopster | hi, are there advantages of using module assistant over apt-get module, with nvidia, webcam and wireless modules for example? |
| 12:47.36 | itchi | Samus_Aran: But usually, us recreate a true, deb file. But extracting the stuff, modifing it, and update it, works very well for this little modification |
| 12:47.37 | stew | Samus_Aran: when you repack the .deb with .ar, you need to make sure not to switch the order of the two tarballs |
| 12:47.44 | xoz | mrynit: gtkpod? |
| 12:47.58 | torrr | I tried to do a kernel yesterday. I just used linux-source and kernel-package. But I still had to edit grub menu.lst, and when it loaded it didn't find my file system :( |
| 12:48.07 | stew | Samus_Aran: or use dpkg-deb to repack the .deb |
| 12:48.10 | Dave_is_sexy | whoever asked for the moisepad config file: it contains no words, just binary-like code |
| 12:48.16 | mrynit | xoz i got ipod but i dont think it can write to an ipod |
| 12:48.18 | xored | valdyn: where did you see that with ram ? |
| 12:48.21 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ^ |
| 12:48.23 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: ^ |
| 12:48.29 | alleyoopster | docs seem to point to m-a a lot, but I dont see the advantage |
| 12:48.38 | valdyn | xored: "oom-killer" |
| 12:49.00 | Samus_Aran | stew: will take a look at dpkg-deb, thanks |
| 12:49.00 | valdyn | xored: was on the 5th though so i guess that has nothing to do with your system crashing |
| 12:49.03 | xoz | mrynit: what? |
| 12:49.19 | Dave_is_sexy | ...and delting said stupid file fixes my seg error!!! YAY |
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| 12:49.31 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: config in bin format? that is the prob |
| 12:49.34 | valdyn | xored: earlier you said that your system crashes "every saturday" |
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| 12:49.46 | mrynit | xoz: i already apt-get install ipod. i dont think the program can write to an iPod |
| 12:49.46 | valdyn | xored: there must be something running every saturday and only then |
| 12:49.51 | hermogenes | torrr: You mean, it didn't mounted your file system? |
| 12:50.03 | dutchfish | torrr, http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html |
| 12:50.04 | torrr | hermogenes, I think so |
| 12:50.21 | xoz | mrynit: try gtkpod. also, apt-cache search ipod, for other possibilities. |
| 12:50.30 | DrCurl | hi, is the version of xfce in debian much different than the official 4.4 release? |
| 12:50.31 | xored | valdyn: http://impressive-media.de/log.log |
| 12:50.32 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: mhmm. i guess deleting the ap data is the first thing i would've tried on windows, but seg error sounded so much more serious |
| 12:50.44 | redrain | Hi, this is not a debian topic but I need some help for a simple bash problem. I want to mv files with permission 600 to another directory, but this gives "argument list too long" error: find -perm 600 | xargs -0 mv --target-directory $target |
| 12:51.01 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: bt in gdb could have pointed you to that file. |
| 12:51.07 | torrr | hermogenes, it said that it cant find stuff and then stoped, but with the other kernel it all was there |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | xoz: even strace might have done that |
| 12:51.31 | xoz | abrotman: yep. |
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| 12:51.45 | xored | valdyn: iam hosting a community site which promotes events and making pictures then, upload them on there page ( there arround 500.000 picture )..thats what the do on the weekend normaly |
| 12:51.50 | rnix | why is amavisd-new banning |
| 12:51.55 | hermogenes | torrr: take a look at your /etc/fstab and see if the partition is listed there. but its unlikely that a kernel update would have changed that |
| 12:51.59 | alleyoopster | advantages of module-assistant over apt-get anyone? |
| 12:52.09 | valdyn | xored: no cronjob? |
| 12:52.17 | valdyn | xored: jsut highest system load on saturdays?> |
| 12:52.24 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: they are for different purposes |
| 12:52.24 | rnix | why is amavisd-new banning all contents even if in banned_filename_re everything is commented out |
| 12:52.31 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: yes gdb is on my to learn list now, but i'm actually just on debian for the sciece aps, and apt to install them easily. so, learning the os is very much a second priority to evaluating these applications. but until i get the os set up to be usable, i can't do that |
| 12:52.32 | rnix | sorry for the first statement :) |
| 12:52.32 | torrr | hermogenes, it is unlikely since the first kernel still load fine. no? |
| 12:52.49 | rnix | all exe contents even |
| 12:52.58 | xored | valdyn: yeah maybe somthing like this. What i maybe suggest...there are arround 20k files in one dire |
| 12:53.00 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: for my modules looks like i have the choice, which is best? |
| 12:53.11 | hermogenes | torrr: I have to look at the output of "dmesg". can you give me that? |
| 12:53.20 | xored | valdyn: this it the ftp root..and i guess that maybe crashes on a "ls" |
| 12:53.23 | valdyn | xored: maybe you want to keep " vmstat 1 > logfile "running and check what's happening there before your crash |
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| 12:53.27 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: If you are using stable with a debian kernel then just apt-get the modules and it will be fine |
| 12:53.40 | xored | what is vmstat valdyn |
| 12:53.49 | torrr | I can't because dmesg is overwriten once the good kernel load |
| 12:53.55 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: ok I am |
| 12:53.57 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: If you are running testing or unstable or a custom kernel then you can use module-assistant to make building the modules easier |
| 12:53.59 | valdyn | xored: tracks your memory and cpu usage |
| 12:54.05 | torrr | hermogenes, ^^^ |
| 12:54.30 | valdyn | xored: 20k file in a dir isnt that much |
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| 12:54.39 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: ah ha, ok. will m-a future proof the modules with a kernel upgrade do you know? |
| 12:54.41 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: usually, you just run gdb program... at a point is segfaults, you just type bt (backtrace) and it will point to the last command. very handy for to debug core files generated by borked progs. i only use this feature of the debugger and saves me a lot of time. |
| 12:54.42 | xored | valdyn: how would i count them ? |
| 12:54.46 | valdyn | xored: maybe you can use dirindex with that ext3 partition containing that large number of files |
| 12:54.56 | h3sp4wn | alleyoopster: No it won't |
| 12:55.00 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: noted |
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| 12:55.26 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: right ok, apt-get it is, strange that m-a is recommended in deb docs |
| 12:55.38 | Dave_is_sexy | Now, i still can't run my installer because permission is denied, even though permission is fine from ls -l... |
| 12:55.45 | xored | valdyn: that vmstat is not giving any timestames or dates...thats unhandy dont you think ? |
| 12:55.48 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you run it with "sh -x installer.sh" and post the output? |
| 12:56.03 | Naib | ^^ havn't I seen that request before? |
| 12:56.03 | torrr | hermogenes, I can't because dmesg is overwriten once the good kernel load |
| 12:56.05 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 12:56.12 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please help me with kde compiling |
| 12:56.17 | valdyn | xored: no big deal, last write to log would be right before the crash |
| 12:56.19 | HardDisk_WP | http://paste.debian.net/27207# |
| 12:56.24 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: and strace also is handy. |
| 12:56.28 | alleyoopster | h3sp4wn: thanks for you help |
| 12:56.31 | xored | valdyn: ok |
| 12:56.33 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: as abrotman pointed out |
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| 12:56.36 | stew | strace is rarely useful for a segfault |
| 12:56.42 | liable | xoz: if you can understand the output |
| 12:56.43 | xored | valdyn: so i put that into a screen i gues |
| 12:56.46 | stew | but the permission denied problem it is |
| 12:56.53 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.54 | xoz | liable: indeed. |
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| 12:57.01 | valdyn | xored: sure |
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| 12:57.33 | valdyn | xored: it could be able to log a little longer if you dont log to a local disk but over network |
| 12:57.39 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: no. bash: ./installer: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
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| 12:57.50 | valdyn | xored: and even longer if you log to a serial console |
| 12:57.56 | xored | valdyn: something is wrong..he is not loggin to the file |
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| 12:58.10 | hermogenes | torrr: look at /var/log/kernel.log |
| 12:58.10 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is the first line of the script? |
| 12:58.23 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ./installer: line 25: ./installer.exe: Permission denied |
| 12:58.29 | valdyn | xored: what doesnt? |
| 12:58.30 | Dave_is_sexy | um... |
| 12:58.37 | xoz | installer.exe? |
| 12:58.44 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: what are you installing ? |
| 12:58.44 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: 'head -1 installer.sh" will tell you |
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| 12:58.59 | hermogenes | torrr: We need to know exactly what happened |
| 12:59.06 | xored | valdyn: vmstat |
| 12:59.08 | xand | is there something like vmware that's in debian and good? |
| 12:59.15 | xored | valdyn: file is emtpy |
| 12:59.17 | valdyn | xored: what EXACTLY |
| 12:59.20 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: and what are the perms on ./installer.exe ? |
| 12:59.20 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: there's installer.sh, .exe, .py and installer. exe is NOT a windows exe, it's an sh. Naed so to be LESS confusing. ha |
| 12:59.25 | valdyn | xored: 'vmstat 1 > log' works |
| 12:59.40 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is the first line of installer.sh ? |
| 12:59.41 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: this one is gEDA |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | geda is in debian |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | and the maintainer is pretty good and works closely with upstream |
| 13:00.05 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: aptitude install geda |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | i'm actually surprised ales distributes anything remotely like an installer.exe |
| 13:00.32 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: ys it is, but it doesn't work well, and is over a year old |
| 13:00.43 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: because you're using debian/stable |
| 13:00.44 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what is the first line of installer.sh? |
| 13:00.50 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: lol. do you think i have not done that |
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| 13:00.56 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: looking |
| 13:00.59 | torrr | hermogenes, It say it can't open /lib/module/2.6.18 and then fatal: that it can't find /lib/module/2.6.18/modules.dep and then waiting for root file system |
| 13:01.00 | xored | valdyn: valdyn ah...screen syntax error..i logged the screen output instead the one of vmstat |
| 13:01.16 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/electronics/geda |
| 13:01.26 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: #! /usr/bin/env sh |
| 13:01.43 | torrr | hermogenes, and that is where it is stuck |
| 13:02.09 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: are those tab characters actually in the file? |
| 13:02.09 | abrotman | geda.seul.org even says to install the debian packages |
| 13:02.09 | xored | valdyn: thank you a lot..i will just try |
| 13:02.09 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: well, regardless my script worked 2 days ago and now it doesn't. it's on cd, so it's static |
| 13:02.12 | Dave_is_sexy | thus sometihng is broken |
| 13:02.34 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: run: " /usr/bin/env sh " |
| 13:02.37 | hermogenes | torrr: hum... can you paste that part for me? |
| 13:02.42 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: well it pasted them, so probably. they don't seem to be |
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| 13:02.46 | Dave_is_sexy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.48 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: can you purge all you've installed (gEDA) and start from scratch. |
| 13:02.54 | Dave_is_sexy | but there agian, they are pasted |
| 13:03.09 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: which editor did you use to open the script ? |
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| 13:03.20 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: dunno. aptitude says it's gone, but it isn't all gone |
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| 13:03.26 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: possible that the files are messed up due to i/o operations. like your config. |
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| 13:03.43 | nyty | hello |
| 13:03.46 | nyty | i have next problem |
| 13:03.47 | nyty | with sound :-) |
| 13:03.52 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you run "/usr/bin/env sh"? |
| 13:03.56 | nyty | alsa mixer is OK and i can show the sound |
| 13:03.58 | hermogenes | torrr: You created a debian package for the kernel and then installed it? Did you restarted the system afterwards? |
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| 13:04.03 | nyty | but it dont work |
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| 13:04.13 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you can check /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package.list>...look for the locations. |
| 13:04.29 | valdyn | nyty: please: "it dont work" is something WE dont work with |
| 13:04.43 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: nothing happened |
| 13:04.45 | stew | nyty: what does "show the sound" mean? |
| 13:05.03 | rebecca_ | hey peoples. just installed deb testing. wondering why my usb webcams don't appear on in /dev/video*. on a ubuntu system they appear as /dev/video0 + /dev/video1. |
| 13:05.04 | valdyn | nyty: "when i run <program> i get <message>, but i expect to hear <motoerhead> |
| 13:05.43 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: if it worked before, some of the files were not in their proper format/contents. clean install. |
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| 13:06.03 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: the geda versions in etch are about one release behind what's currently on geda.seul.org |
| 13:06.05 | valdyn | rebecca_: etch or testing? |
| 13:06.18 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: then if you are getting "bad interpreter" there is some error with that line, either there are characters before the #! that shouldn't be there, or there are characters at the end of the line that souldn't be, perhaps a dos style newline |
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| 13:06.57 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: but it's on cd and was fine before yesterday |
| 13:07.01 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: can you run "head -3 installer.sh | hexdump -C" and put the results into a pastebin? |
| 13:07.03 | adamt | sorry, but #debian-kde is pretty dead, when will testing/lenny get kde 3.5.6? |
| 13:07.11 | CharminTheMoose | why am I getting these crappy make errors? The compilation worked fine on debian sarge to my understanding but not on etch.... http://www.pastebin.ca/472250 |
| 13:07.12 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: then the cd got damaged |
| 13:07.18 | abrotman | adamt: when it gets there :) |
| 13:07.29 | abrotman | adamt: is it in unstable yet? |
| 13:07.33 | hermogenes | torrr: You may have made a mistake while packaging the kernel |
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| 13:07.43 | abrotman | !tell adamt about why is kde not in testing |
| 13:07.49 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: g++-3.3 on ETCH? how are you doing that? |
| 13:07.55 | adamt | seems so, abrotman |
| 13:07.57 | adamt | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kde/kdebase |
| 13:08.00 | adamt | 3.5.6 |
| 13:08.14 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: OR run "strace -o /tmp/installer.strace sh installer.sh" and upload /tmp/installer.strace to a pastebin |
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| 13:08.23 | abrotman | adamt: you can use the url dpkg gave you to track why stuff isn't in testing yet |
| 13:08.25 | rebecca_ | valdyn: whatever the latest testing netinstall does |
| 13:08.28 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: that actually would tell us exactly what it is trying to do |
| 13:08.32 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: there's a million geda files in there |
| 13:08.41 | abrotman | or he could aptitude install geda :) |
| 13:08.49 | valdyn | rebecca_: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 13:08.59 | torrr | hermogenes, I may have |
| 13:09.13 | stew | abrotman: well he is convinced that root cant run any script. so i'd be happy to try to figure out what is causing him to say that |
| 13:09.25 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: one or several of them may have caused your misery. |
| 13:09.31 | abrotman | stew: i think it's only on that CD .. |
| 13:09.32 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: strace = installer: line 25: ./installer.exe: Permission denied |
| 13:09.43 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: and looking for that single file is a PITA. |
| 13:09.46 | adamt | abrotman: that page is fubar, says that unstable and testing got the same versions.. |
| 13:09.54 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what does "ls -l ./installer.exe" say? |
| 13:09.56 | abrotman | adamt: use kdebase instead of kde |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | adamt: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kdebase |
| 13:10.06 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: it says permissions are fine |
| 13:10.06 | rebecca_ | 0.105-4 |
| 13:10.09 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: and can you upload the contents of /tmp/installer.strace? |
| 13:10.10 | rebecca_ | valdyn: |
| 13:10.14 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: oh, that is a problem then? |
| 13:10.18 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: it shouldn't say that |
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| 13:10.29 | abrotman | $ ls -l installer.exe |
| 13:10.31 | hermogenes | torrr: Try to reinstall the kernel package and/or repack the kernel |
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| 13:10.35 | abrotman | bash: Permissions are fine. |
| 13:10.38 | Dave_is_sexy | i think i posted it a half hour ago |
| 13:10.40 | Samus_Aran | stew: dpkg-deb worked great, thank you |
| 13:10.43 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: no you didn't |
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| 13:10.50 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: did you give us a URL? |
| 13:10.50 | stew | Samus_Aran: you're welcome |
| 13:11.07 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman, no it was a one liner |
| 13:11.11 | torrr | hermogenes, I did 'make-kpkg kernel_image' |
| 13:11.15 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you didn't post it here |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: that was installer.sh .. not installer.exe |
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| 13:11.29 | hermogenes | CharminTheMoose: the error seems clear to me: line 31: Config.o: No such file or directory |
| 13:11.33 | Samus_Aran | stew: now my custom MPlayer package won't keep getting downgraded |
| 13:11.40 | torrr | hermogenes, and that did compile but I didn't see it installed so I read the readme and did make install, and make modules_install |
| 13:11.41 | stew | Samus_Aran: /msg dpkg hold |
| 13:12.02 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: http://pastebin.ca/472256 |
| 13:12.22 | rebecca_ | valdyn: ? |
| 13:12.45 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: oh. well one just launches the other (sh launches exe) |
| 13:13.10 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: yes .. ls -l ./intaller.exe .. we'd still like to see the EXACT results |
| 13:13.42 | stew | # |
| 13:13.43 | Samus_Aran | stew: the line the bot gave me was cut short (freenode limiting the number of characters), but thank you, didn't know about holds |
| 13:13.54 | abrotman | stew: we use // here |
| 13:13.57 | xoz | stew: Dave_is_sexy , line 94? |
| 13:14.21 | stew | xoz: yeah |
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| 13:14.33 | hermogenes | torrr: seems alright... |
| 13:14.42 | stew | xoz: though i don't know if that is becuase its trying to do something with the terminal and strace is getting in the way or somethign |
| 13:14.55 | stew | xoz: nor do i konw how he solved his "bad interpreter" problem |
| 13:15.04 | abrotman | what if he runs ./installer.exe manually ? |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | tohuhg i don't know what prep work the script does |
| 13:15.24 | abrotman | or post work |
| 13:15.39 | asg | stew: I've seen similar errors if '/' is chmod 700 and not 755 |
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| 13:16.20 | abrotman | asg: why |
| 13:16.28 | valdyn_ | rebecca_: missed what you wrote, if there was something |
| 13:16.30 | stew | asg: ahh, could be, but when he runs "ls -l ./instller.exe" his machine returns "permissions are fine" so i'm not sure if that equates to 755 or 555 or 700 or what |
| 13:16.46 | rebecca_ | valdyn: 0.105-4 was the version |
| 13:16.47 | asg | abrotman: can't remember offhand; I just woke up |
| 13:16.55 | abrotman | asg: no .. i meant .. why woudl you? :) |
| 13:16.55 | xoz | stew: seems that it failed to fork the child process... the interpreter may have some issues |
| 13:17.03 | rebecca_ | valdyn: sorry, can't copy/paste. |
| 13:17.05 | valdyn | rebecca_: dont need the version, just if its installed ( ii ) |
| 13:17.10 | abrotman | xoz: it worked two days ago! |
| 13:17.10 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: http://pastebin.ca/472263 |
| 13:17.12 | stew | xoz: he got a bad interpeter error before, i don't know why he isn't getting it now |
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| 13:17.23 | asg | abrotman: chmod 700 /? Often happens when doing p2v |
| 13:17.35 | torrr | hermogenes, I dont see it in kern.log |
| 13:17.39 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what mount options were used to mount the cdrom? |
| 13:17.41 | xoz | arg! |
| 13:17.54 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: the same as last week when it worked? |
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| 13:18.37 | Dave_is_sexy | (ill chcek) |
| 13:18.37 | torrr | hermogenes, and it make sense if it couldn't load the FS how can it write the log on it? |
| 13:18.38 | rebecca_ | valdyn: ii captain :) |
| 13:18.38 | abrotman | asg: you woke up late! |
| 13:18.38 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: just show us the output of "mount" |
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| 13:18.39 | rebecca_ | valdyn: lol, sorry, incredibly lame :) |
| 13:18.39 | asg | abrotman: yeah, pretty unusual for me. Granted, I was up later than usual. |
| 13:18.39 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: udf,iso9660 user,auto 0 0 |
| 13:18.39 | Dave_is_sexy | oh er.... |
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| 13:18.46 | xoz | hmmm |
| 13:18.57 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: i've never seen a cd with udf on it before |
| 13:19.05 | valdyn | rebecca_: usb camera? does 'lsusb' list it? |
| 13:19.07 | stew | oh udf,iso9660 |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | asg: i'd make the funny french guy noise about sex stuff .. but i can't rfigure out how in irc :) |
| 13:19.14 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: it's a dvd writer drive |
| 13:19.21 | xand | that's an fstab line |
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| 13:19.35 | asg | abrotman: <jethro>blah blah blah |
| 13:19.37 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: http://pastebin.ca/472266 |
| 13:19.40 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 13:19.45 | hermogenes | torrr: I don't know... :-) |
| 13:19.55 | seif | http://seif.hopto.org/2007-05-01_screen.png |
| 13:19.57 | Dave_is_sexy | so it's mounted fine. and thus should work |
| 13:19.58 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,user=ivman) |
| 13:20.02 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: it has noexec |
| 13:20.03 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: you have "noexec" |
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| 13:20.07 | abrotman | mounted noexec is bad |
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| 13:20.32 | stew | damn, ivman, that makes it my problem :) |
| 13:20.43 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: stew: oh. how annoying. well, how did that change by itself?? |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | stew: but it worked two days ago! |
| 13:20.50 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: did you recently switch from gnome? |
| 13:20.50 | xand | what command did you use to mount the cd? |
| 13:20.55 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: right! |
| 13:21.10 | stew | xoz: it was mounted by ivman, which, unless he changed the config, mean it was mounted with pmount |
| 13:21.19 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: i recently ununstalled beryl?? |
| 13:21.22 | xoz | stew: argH!!! |
| 13:21.23 | rebecca_ | valdyn: yes. :) |
| 13:21.42 | rebecca_ | valdyn: they are logitech quickcam express webcams. |
| 13:21.45 | lucrito | Hello |
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| 13:22.06 | valdyn | rebecca_: are stock kernel supposed to support that webcam? |
| 13:22.12 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: cd is mounted all by itself by ivman :) |
| 13:22.45 | rebecca_ | valdyn: i don't know |
| 13:22.47 | abrotman | remount it manually without the noexec |
| 13:22.57 | torrr | btw - what man has fstab fs types? |
| 13:23.06 | xand | torrr: mount? |
| 13:23.08 | asg | torrr: mount |
| 13:23.09 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: so fstab is my only knowledge of mount/config. should i just add a line which says "mount propperly!" |
| 13:23.10 | rebecca_ | valdyn: they are about the most linux compatible webcams out there |
| 13:23.22 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: yes, you should |
| 13:23.24 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: pumount /media/cdrom ; then mount /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom |
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| 13:23.29 | xoz | stew: dpkg should have knowledge-base for this possible problem due to automount. |
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| 13:24.03 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: if you want it to use mount instead of pmount, you need to edit the config in /etc/ivman ; pmount will ignore /etc/fstab |
| 13:24.07 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: can't dev/cdrom is busy |
| 13:24.14 | valdyn | rebecca_: there's various external webcam drivers in the repository. Ubuntu might install those by default. I wouldnt know that |
| 13:24.14 | abrotman | get out of the directoy |
| 13:24.16 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you need to close the shells that are cd'ed to it |
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| 13:24.28 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: lsof. kill those processes using it. |
| 13:24.29 | alleyoopster | rebecca_: normally supported with the gspca module, but check against mxhaard.free.fr |
| 13:24.29 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: pmount will ignore fstab!?! |
| 13:24.33 | stew | xoz: actually i think i'm going to more ivman away from using pmount, as pitti just orphaned it |
| 13:24.37 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: yes |
| 13:24.56 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: it always will mount with noexec nosuid... its meant to be very safe becuase its meant to be used by users |
| 13:24.58 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: nothing is open |
| 13:25.20 | rebecca_ | alleyoopster: is that a kernal module or package? |
| 13:25.24 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ooh this safety policy annoys me. liinspire has the right idea on that one |
| 13:25.24 | valdyn | rebecca_: guess i found the driver.. |
| 13:25.24 | valdyn | rebecca_: run: "apt-get install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i qc-usb" |
| 13:25.25 | valdyn | rebecca_: if those 3 steps complete without error you shouldnt have to do more than replug the cam into your usb port and /dev/whatever should spawn |
| 13:25.27 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: yes, something is open |
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| 13:25.36 | alleyoopster | rebecca_: it is both |
| 13:25.40 | Dave_is_sexy | how do i find out what is using the cd then? |
| 13:25.41 | rebecca_ | valdyn: rad, ill try |
| 13:25.43 | lucrito | has somone expierience with samba and win xp offline logon without a windows pdc? |
| 13:25.52 | Dave_is_sexy | the button ejects it fine! |
| 13:25.54 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: lsof | grep cdrom |
| 13:25.55 | valdyn | rebecca_: driver may be perfect, its just not in mainline |
| 13:26.30 | xoz | stew: pmount-hal is the replacement? |
| 13:26.42 | alleyoopster | rebecca_: look at output lsusb and compare vendor id and product id at the website i gave |
| 13:26.56 | Dave_is_sexy | wait wait wait. i'm using umount. do i have to use pumount? |
| 13:27.15 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: no you don't |
| 13:27.31 | stew | xoz: no, actually its using pmount-hal now. pmount-hal is just a wrap around pmount that will take a hal device id and translate it to a /dev entry |
| 13:28.03 | Dave_is_sexy | well umount /dev/cdrom now says busy twice, and the processes listes are all just bash |
| 13:28.15 | Dave_is_sexy | ...except for gnome-pty |
| 13:28.15 | xoz | stew: i should update myself with this automount. im glad i keep away from desktop. |
| 13:28.21 | rebecca_ | alleyoopster: yeah, looks to be one of them |
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| 13:28.40 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: kill the bash also. |
| 13:28.59 | Dave_is_sexy | kill bash? ok.... |
| 13:29.23 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: if you cd to a dir in the cdrom, it wont eject. |
| 13:29.28 | alleyoopster | rebecca_ there are 2 drivers spca and gspca (more recent) |
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| 13:29.44 | Dave_is_sexy | Hey, i have zombie processes. that sounds bad |
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| 13:29.54 | valdyn | alleyoopster: thats the driver package in qc-usb ? |
| 13:30.12 | Dave_is_sexy | and they wont die. just like real zombies |
| 13:30.19 | xoz | hehe |
| 13:30.20 | xand | run |
| 13:30.21 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: if you can kill the parent its probably no big deal |
| 13:30.28 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: if the parent is init you cant do a thing |
| 13:30.31 | xoz | unless it is init |
| 13:30.37 | Dave_is_sexy | init? |
| 13:30.48 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: try init 1 |
| 13:30.51 | xand | probably they're having a strop after you ejected the cd without unmounting it |
| 13:31.08 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: killed the parent :) |
| 13:31.09 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: or maybe reboot? |
| 13:31.17 | Dave_is_sexy | (sounds so violent) |
| 13:31.23 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: hopefully not with -9 |
| 13:31.29 | xoz | not in unix world also |
| 13:31.30 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: yeah, but what would i learn from rebooting? |
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| 13:31.49 | alleyoopster | valdyn: dont know, i didnt have luck using qc packages, i used the gspca |
| 13:31.55 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: ok, just a last recourse |
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| 13:32.15 | Dave_is_sexy | i am told that only ivman can unmount cdrom |
| 13:32.54 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: who told you that? |
| 13:32.59 | Dave_is_sexy | souff i did ivman umount /dev/cdrom and it said... werid st |
| 13:33.02 | Dave_is_sexy | bash |
| 13:33.15 | stew | xoz: why do you want it to die? |
| 13:33.51 | Dave_is_sexy | no, no bash is fine. zombies are dead, now i need to get past: |
| 13:33.53 | Dave_is_sexy | umount: only ivman can unmount /dev/scd0 from /media/cdrom |
| 13:33.53 | xoz | stew: was it deprecated? |
| 13:34.15 | xored | is there any howto howto updagrad the config of amavis ( because of the etch upgrade ) that it runs again ? |
| 13:34.21 | stew | xoz: certainly not. pmount might be |
| 13:34.31 | Dave_is_sexy | although i'd love ivman to just use fstab like a normal mount manager |
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| 13:34.37 | xoz | stew: ah, got it in reverse |
| 13:34.38 | candyban | Hi guys |
| 13:35.00 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: file a wishlist bug and i'll do it |
| 13:35.27 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: in the meantime you could edit your /etc/ivman config so that it uses mount or so that it uses mount for your cdrom or that it uses mount for this particular cd |
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| 13:35.35 | vchrizz | how do i make a deb pkg from a newer source.tgz which isnt yet in the testing repo? i installed qemu with apt(0.8.2) but 0.9.0 is available and i want to install that with dpkg (dont want to make install cause then im not able to uninstall it with aptitude) |
| 13:35.53 | candyban | I would like to do UDP redirection ... I have enabled "ip_forward" and setup "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p udp -j DNAT --to-destination 10.20.6.101" ... but it does not seem to work properly. (10.20.6.0/24 is located on a bridge interface with no physical devices attached) |
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| 13:36.14 | candyban | but it does not work ... anyone an idea? |
| 13:36.21 | valdyn | vchrizz: 0.9 is in experimental |
| 13:36.29 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 13:36.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
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| 13:36.47 | valdyn | vchrizz: ^^^ works for experimental instead of sid too |
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| 13:37.20 | alleyoopster | valdyn: in rebecca_ 's case it is either qc-usb or maybe spca5xx |
| 13:37.27 | vchrizz | valdyn: well, i know of backports, but i would like to know how it works manually so im able to make backports for myself ;) |
| 13:37.39 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: oooh ok i shall |
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| 13:37.57 | valdyn | vchrizz: dpkg told that, for the most simple case |
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| 13:38.16 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: or if you know another mount program which would do that tell me |
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| 13:38.21 | valdyn | vchrizz: there's no general rule how to fix backports with issues |
| 13:38.32 | vchrizz | valdyn: ok thx |
| 13:38.44 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: g-v-m switched from pmount to gnome-mount, but most of the appeal of ivman is that it avoids gnome dependencies |
| 13:39.09 | valdyn | vchrizz: like a to be backported packing needing a newer <whatever> where that <whatever> can make things really messy |
| 13:39.13 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: k. so how about telling it to use mount? |
| 13:39.39 | Dave_is_sexy | or a command to tell ivman to unmount the volume would suffice |
| 13:39.58 | Naib | or not use ivman, thats been superceeded |
| 13:40.04 | xoz | vchrizz: what's the diff between new qemu from the old one? why undergo this messy process? |
| 13:40.04 | stew | Naib: by what? |
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| 13:40.17 | vchrizz | valdyn: sure... im just experimenting :) |
| 13:40.25 | xingu | I'm surprised nobody's connected the dots and made the cdrom drive bay eject button an input device yet. |
| 13:40.37 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you can unmount it with "umount /media/cdrom" as root |
| 13:40.50 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: nope. ^^^ see error |
| 13:40.53 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: or pumount as anyone in the plugdev group |
| 13:41.07 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: tried that too |
| 13:41.13 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: if umount as root can't umount it, then neither can ivman |
| 13:41.14 | xoz | what about umoount -f |
| 13:41.18 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you have to close whatever files are on it |
| 13:41.49 | vchrizz | xoz: qemu was just an example, i wanted to know in general how to make a backport from a source.tgz that i _not_ get with apt-get source ... |
| 13:42.03 | minus | Does anyone know what i should do? I have this xfce4 theme, but when i try to install the GTK2 engines to it it throws back an error.. |
| 13:42.07 | valdyn | vchrizz: that's not really a backport |
| 13:42.10 | minus | gtk2-engines-pixbuf: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:42.14 | Rebecca | valdyn: your command seems to have worked. very elegant :D |
| 13:42.15 | valdyn | vchrizz: its 'creating a debian package' |
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| 13:42.49 | vchrizz | valdyn: ah ok... |
| 13:42.52 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: If you want to backport qemu - don't bother trying to backport proll or openhackware (just install the binaries from sid - its just firmware) |
| 13:42.54 | valdyn | vchrizz: where again in the easiest case you can use the debian directory from an older version |
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| 13:43.06 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: ah, finally, it's unmounted. now, mount with exec permissions? |
| 13:43.07 | valdyn | vchrizz: but often you need to change its contents quite a bit |
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| 13:43.20 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: yes, just run "mount /dev/scd0" as root |
| 13:43.21 | Dave_is_sexy | mount /dev/cdrom -exec? |
| 13:43.28 | Naib | steve, I thought another automouter was being used by GNOME now? |
| 13:43.34 | Naib | stew I mean |
| 13:43.37 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: oh. i did that. still can'r run the scripts |
| 13:43.47 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: reboot? hehe |
| 13:43.48 | h3sp4wn | vchrizz: otherwise you need them cross-compiled (sparc and ppc) |
| 13:43.58 | stew | Naib: ivman was greated as an alternative to gnome-volume-manager AFTER gnome started using gnome-volume-manager |
| 13:44.12 | Naib | ahhh |
| 13:44.16 | stew | Naib: the largest attraction of ivman is that it doesn't have much inthe way of dependencies |
| 13:44.18 | Naib | got it muddled up |
| 13:44.26 | vchrizz | well, yesterday i made the error that i installed newest mdadm with make install and now dpkg shows me the old version while mdadm -V tells its the new version :P |
| 13:44.32 | stew | (and that it is much more flexible and can do much more than automount) |
| 13:44.43 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: lol. but i should have permission now |
| 13:44.55 | stew | but pmount is being superceded by gnome-mount, which is something i have to figure out for ivman |
| 13:45.16 | Dave_is_sexy | if i reboot, ivman will just mount the cd again |
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| 13:45.28 | Naib | steve, pmount depends on ivman |
| 13:45.35 | stew | Naib: other way around |
| 13:45.39 | valdyn | vchrizz: you can try checkinstall as a hack for this |
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| 13:45.43 | Naib | --edit yup other way round |
| 13:45.48 | Naib | soz |
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| 13:45.59 | valdyn | vchrizz: that tool wont cover dependencies, but it will also not put untracked files to random places |
| 13:46.03 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: with all these automation happening in the background, it is PITA to really troubleshoot them. |
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| 13:46.08 | stew | Naib: (i'm debian's ivman maintainer, and its looking like i'm now the upstream ivman maintainer) |
| 13:46.11 | Dave_is_sexy | well i'll just copy the files to the hdd and run it from there. i can learn about pmount later |
| 13:46.19 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: mmmmm. |
| 13:46.28 | Naib | stew have fun |
| 13:46.46 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: good idea |
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| 13:46.58 | mcmillen | question of the ancients here :) anyone know which package i need to install to get xfree86 3.3.6 on woody? |
| 13:47.10 | stew | mcmillen: x-window-system-core |
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| 13:47.16 | Dave_is_sexy | so, seg error solved. exe permission error, is getting there. no wireless experts have joined us have they? |
| 13:47.33 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: there are always lots of people here good with wireless |
| 13:47.35 | valdyn | !info xserver-xfree86 woody |
| 13:47.46 | vchrizz | valdyn: *just installed checkinstall and working with it* hey, nice app! :) |
| 13:47.47 | vchrizz | thx |
| 13:47.56 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: but my wireless seems to need iptables to work |
| 13:47.57 | valdyn | !info x-window-system-core woody |
| 13:48.32 | stew | valdyn: was woody 3.3 or 4.0? i could have sworn it was 3.3 and sarge was 4.0 |
| 13:48.36 | valdyn | !find bin/X woody |
| 13:48.48 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: what makes you say that? |
| 13:48.53 | Rebecca | okay.. this is probably a stupid question.. but what is the best way to hunt down what alternate repo a util can be found on if it is not found on the generic ones? |
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| 13:49.14 | valdyn | stew: no idea, certainly packaged differently ( or dpkg is broken for woody ) |
| 13:49.16 | xoz | Rebecca: be more specific. what package? |
| 13:49.22 | xand | Rebecca: google? |
| 13:49.23 | mcmillen | according to what i've read, woody is 4 but had 3.3 for back-compat |
| 13:49.27 | Rebecca | xoz: camgrab |
| 13:49.37 | Dave_is_sexy | because it doesn't work and thats what i get told. the driver is fine, it's the connection |
| 13:49.45 | valdyn | Rebecca: there's no good way for this |
| 13:49.52 | mcmillen | and i need 3.3 for back-compat reasons (~1998 laptop, card support dropped in XFree 4) |
| 13:49.54 | valdyn | Rebecca: there's very few high quality repos |
| 13:49.54 | Rebecca | valdyn: okay :)( |
| 13:50.06 | xingu | mcmillen: what hardware? |
| 13:50.29 | mcmillen | trident card on IBM thinkpad 760xl |
| 13:50.34 | Dave_is_sexy | but, even if i do get it working with my router, what about when i take the machine out? i needs to scan for networks and connect to the one i choose, without any stupidness. |
| 13:51.23 | xoz | Rebecca: http://apt.steve.org.uk/sarge/pool/main/c/camgrab/ |
| 13:51.36 | Dave_is_sexy | stew: a command like "right you're connected to this one, so get it's ip and use that as your gateway until you disconnect" |
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| 13:52.26 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: for which desktop environment? or really CLI ? |
| 13:53.22 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: apt-cache search wireless will point you to several progs. |
| 13:53.34 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: well it's xfce, but i'm not using and bundled aps for the network. just network manager and wireless tools |
| 13:53.36 | xingu | mcmillen: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Trident_Cyber9385 ? |
| 13:53.46 | minus | Ehm.. So no one knows how to solve my problem? That the xfce4 theme that i tried to install doesn't work? It works but the buttons doesn't change :/ |
| 13:54.21 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: wifi-radar ? |
| 13:54.33 | minus | When i try to install the GTK engines to the theme it throws back an error |
| 13:54.44 | xoz | minus: etch? testing? unstable? |
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| 13:54.59 | minus | Lenny/Testing |
| 13:55.04 | stew | yay, bikeride time for me! |
| 13:55.05 | Dave_is_sexy | valdyn: ah yes that looks great. |
| 13:55.11 | valdyn | Dave_is_sexy: i use network-manager-gnome, few features, does what i want though |
| 13:55.14 | xoz | minus: then, you have to wait |
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| 13:55.25 | minus | xoz, It worked 3 days ago.. |
| 13:55.33 | minus | Why shouldn't it work now? |
| 13:55.35 | minus | gtk2-engines-pixbuf: Depends: libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.20-7) but it is not going to be installed |
| 13:55.38 | minus | Thats the error |
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| 13:55.46 | xoz | minus: did you upgrade? |
| 13:55.55 | Dave_is_sexy | well why has everyone told me for the last week, that it is near impossible to do (and before that there was no way on earth my card driver would ever set up propperly) |
| 13:56.02 | minus | upgrade what? |
| 13:56.04 | valdyn | minus: you're on sid? |
| 13:56.09 | minus | nope |
| 13:56.14 | minus | Lenny/Testing |
| 13:56.14 | valdyn | minus: lenny? |
| 13:56.15 | xoz | valdyn: testing |
| 13:56.16 | mcmillen | xingu: yep. i tried sarge on the laptop earlier this week but for the life of me could not get X to work in its full glory (i could get 800x600@8bit of 640x480@16-bit, but not 800x600@16, which is what i want ;)) |
| 13:56.18 | Justin | Dave_is_sexy: just what exactly are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 13:56.22 | mcmillen | s/of/or/ |
| 13:56.29 | Dave_is_sexy | justin: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 13:56.40 | xoz | minus: apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 13:56.49 | valdyn | minus: you have to wait for the new package to drop down to lenny or compile it yourself. You shouldnt be running lenny right now.. |
| 13:56.51 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: I din't saw anyone telling you this... |
| 13:56.55 | minus | I did that yes xoz |
| 13:57.01 | xingu | mcmillen: using trident driver I assume? |
| 13:57.09 | minus | But thats just upgrade of the pakages, isn't it? |
| 13:57.09 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yeah but you've not been here the whole time. |
| 13:57.18 | Justin | Dave_is_sexy: can you re-state what you are trying to do? |
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| 13:57.26 | xingu | mcmillen: it'd be interesting to know if the card has enough video memory for that geometry |
| 13:57.28 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: hum... that's true. |
| 13:57.32 | mcmillen | xingu: i tried both trident and vesa w/XFree 4 |
| 13:57.37 | xoz | minus: that is the problem. not all packages with deps enter at the same time. apparently the dep was not met that is why you have that error |
| 13:57.44 | Dave_is_sexy | justin: get wireless working. not going into more details AGAIN |
| 13:57.49 | mcmillen | xingu: i know it can, because RedHat 6.2 can do it -- but i don't want redhat ;) |
| 13:57.54 | Dave_is_sexy | driver is fine, settings are not |
| 13:58.03 | xoz | minus: you should not use testing if you dont want surprises |
| 13:58.15 | minus | xoz, ^^ |
| 13:58.44 | minus | But.. hm.. |
| 13:58.54 | xoz | minus: that packages in testing changes through time so when you update and upgrade, some deps will not be met. |
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| 13:59.00 | minus | Can i downgrade that gtk2.0-0 pakage? |
| 13:59.04 | xoz | *change |
| 13:59.10 | minus | So that it doen't conflict or anything? |
| 13:59.15 | mcmillen | xingu: plus, back-of-the-envelope clac: 800x600*2 = 960000 < 1024K |
| 13:59.21 | mcmillen | s/clac/calc/ |
| 13:59.44 | xingu | mcmillen: fair do; is it a 9320 or 9385 chip? |
| 13:59.50 | NormanAthol | sorry about all the recent leaving and joing the router is reconfigured now so its over |
| 13:59.50 | xoz | minus: snapshots |
| 14:00.00 | minus | xoz, huh? |
| 14:00.13 | xoz | minus: /msg dpkg snapshots |
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| 14:00.41 | xingu | mcmillen: nb the xf86 <v4.3 trident driver seems to be suspect on that hardware either way; is etch an option? |
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| 14:02.18 | Dave_is_sexy | can someone take a look at this stange wireless situ: http://pastebin.ca/472306 |
| 14:03.05 | xingu | mcmillen: nb; google turns up this... http://www.xfree86.org/~alanh/drivers/x86/ which has an XFree86 binary and trident driver which should be drop-in replacements for xfree86 4.3.0's |
| 14:03.18 | Naib | why is wifi_radar going for eth2 and not wlan0 |
| 14:03.26 | xoz | minus: or you can wait until the missing deps enter testing. |
| 14:03.56 | minus | xoz, How long do I have to wait for that o_O |
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| 14:04.01 | DocPlatypus | "eth2: error fetching interface information: Device not found" |
| 14:04.03 | DocPlatypus | it's not |
| 14:04.11 | xingu | mcmillen: "The 760XL has only 1 024 KiB of video RAM, and can provide either 8-bit accelerated video or 16-bit non-accelerated video at 800x600 on the built-in display. To use 16-bit video at 800x600, you need to explicitly disable video acceleration in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file; otherwise, X will insist on starting up at 640x480 resolution." |
| 14:04.30 | mcmillen | xingu: ahhah! |
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| 14:04.45 | xoz | qball what's your prediction |
| 14:04.53 | xoz | !qball what's your prediction |
| 14:04.53 | dpkg | the atmosphere is dark |
| 14:05.01 | mcmillen | xingu: maybe i will give that a go if this iteration doesn't work |
| 14:05.04 | xoz | minus: it is dark |
| 14:05.08 | minus | xoz, Is it just to uninstall the libgtk2.0-0 and then do apt-get install libgtk2.0-0=2.8.20.7 ? |
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| 14:05.22 | minus | if i want to downgrade i mean |
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| 14:06.06 | xoz | minus: check how many files are affected |
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| 14:06.21 | minus | how do i do that? |
| 14:06.30 | minus | i'll do man apt-get |
| 14:06.33 | minus | hang on XD |
| 14:06.48 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Let me ask you some questions: You said gtkwifi could connect to the wireless network but that you couldn't ping, right? |
| 14:08.25 | minus | xoz, hm.. cant find how i can read what files that are affected to that pakage.. :/ |
| 14:08.51 | Naib | how can you re-install a package with apt-get? |
| 14:08.51 | asg | Naib: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
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| 14:08.52 | Naib | tnx |
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| 14:09.27 | xoz | minus: when you try to uninstall it, the other files affected will also be shown.... don't press enter, just check what are these files. |
| 14:09.42 | minus | ah.. get it. |
| 14:10.05 | minus | SHIT! o_O |
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| 14:10.13 | minus | Alot of files i can tell you XD |
| 14:10.17 | xoz | minus: if it is a library, there can be many files... so |
| 14:10.28 | xoz | minus: just forget it. |
| 14:10.34 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Let me ask you some questions: You said gtkwifi could connect to the wireless network but that you couldnt ping, right? |
| 14:10.39 | xoz | minus: try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:10.54 | xoz | or aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 14:11.29 | minus | nothing happens.. |
| 14:11.45 | minus | btw, is it possible to downgrade to Etch? |
| 14:12.02 | minus | i mean, change the repositories and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:12.05 | DocPlatypus | minus: from lenny/sid? |
| 14:12.18 | minus | Jepp.. from Lenny to Etch? |
| 14:12.28 | DocPlatypus | in theory it's possible but things might blow up in unexpected and less than wonderful ways |
| 14:12.34 | minus | -.- |
| 14:12.38 | minus | Crap.. |
| 14:12.44 | xoz | !downgrade |
| 14:12.44 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 14:13.45 | minus | I think i'm a bit to nooby to get in to that.. so i guess i just have to.. ehm.. feel owned by myself .. |
| 14:14.11 | xoz | minus: /msg dpkg downgrade2 ... good luck |
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| 14:14.37 | ice63 | ok |
| 14:14.54 | minus | As i said.. Think i'll stay with Lenny.. |
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| 14:15.28 | minus | Using Stable on a Workstation is like using Windows 2000 when XP exists XD |
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| 14:15.51 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: correct. but wifi-radar is looking for a non exisant eth2 interface |
| 14:15.57 | minus | Etch == 2000, XP == Lenny, Vista == Sid |
| 14:15.58 | minus | XD |
| 14:16.15 | xoz | minus: no point of comparison. |
| 14:16.46 | krazykit | etch and lenny are way more stable than 2k and xp |
| 14:16.51 | Rakker | it hurts to see all those names combined in one sentence |
| 14:16.59 | dutchfish | minus, Etch == Novell 4.11 ... |
| 14:17.01 | DocPlatypus | minus: I typically wind up running testing about a year or so after the last stable came out |
| 14:17.04 | xoz | sid is better than 2000, XP, VISTA... |
| 14:17.17 | dutchfish | minus, it always keeps running |
| 14:17.36 | lontra | xoz: that might be far fetched |
| 14:17.38 | minus | Damn.. I got flamed :p |
| 14:17.58 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Just to be sure: You tryed to configure the WLAN with the LAN down, didn't you? |
| 14:18.09 | xoz | lontra: that is why i say no point of comparison. it depends on the point of view. |
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| 14:19.18 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: yes |
| 14:19.25 | minus | ops |
| 14:19.55 | jetscreamer | no, ops != oops |
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| 14:20.04 | minus | ^^ |
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| 14:20.07 | ice63 | Blackbox= the Best :) |
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| 14:20.13 | minus | ice63, no.. |
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| 14:20.19 | minus | I dont like *box |
| 14:20.22 | ice63 | yes |
| 14:20.28 | minus | It's a bit to "lightweight" |
| 14:20.40 | minus | XFCE is my cup of tea |
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| 14:21.16 | Rakker | (2b||!2b) ? |
| 14:21.20 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: Please, paste me your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:21.27 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you should indicate that your wireless is using wlan0, not eth interface |
| 14:21.39 | abrotman | xoz: some are eth# |
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| 14:21.53 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: yes, do you know how? |
| 14:22.17 | xoz | dhclient should have that option, -i maybe |
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| 14:22.35 | xoz | abrotman: but his is wlan0 and dhclient assumes eth |
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| 14:22.37 | paqel | Hello! |
| 14:22.45 | paqel | Jest tu ktos z polski ? |
| 14:22.45 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: it's still mostly empty: auto lo / iface lo inet loopback |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | !pl |
| 14:22.59 | dpkg | somebody said pl was perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: what is the device for your wifi ? |
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| 14:23.13 | xoz | iwconfig is ok |
| 14:23.16 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: wlan0 |
| 14:23.17 | xoz | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/472306 |
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| 14:23.50 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: let me show you my interfaces file |
| 14:24.01 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: pump -i wlan0 |
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| 14:25.14 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: http://pastebin.ca/472341 |
| 14:25.23 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: nothing happened |
| 14:25.25 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: now .. my wifi is eth1 .. yours is apparently wlan0 |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: but i think you get the idea .. hopefully :) |
| 14:26.03 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you have to configure wlan0 using iwconfig to assign of those AP addresses |
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| 14:26.10 | xoz | *one of those |
| 14:26.55 | Dave_is_sexy | xoZ: pump operation failed |
| 14:27.11 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you can check abrotman config... specify ssid |
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| 14:27.30 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: and change auto eth0 to auto wlan0 |
| 14:27.30 | Dave_is_sexy | pending ;) |
| 14:28.29 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: iface wlan0 dhcp; auto wlan0.... just adapt abrotman config file. |
| 14:29.20 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: are you sure the AP allows you to connect with them? |
| 14:29.33 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: use the abrotman interfaces file |
| 14:29.51 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: adapt it, of course |
| 14:30.01 | lontra | anyone know what package would provide 'convert'? |
| 14:30.06 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | cause it won't work the way i pasted it :) |
| 14:30.40 | hermogenes | abrotman: :-) |
| 14:30.53 | liable | :) |
| 14:31.01 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: since iwconfig works, it is just telling your wireless card the necessary information where to connect among the choices |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | also .. is it a PCMCIA wifi card ? |
| 14:31.18 | Justin | Loevborg: debootstrap doesn't install a kernel or a bootloader |
| 14:31.36 | chubaca | lontra: imagemagick: usr/bin/convert |
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| 14:31.59 | liable | wow, throwing a tanti seems the way to get the whole channel to help |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | little? |
| 14:32.13 | lontra | chubaca: thanks |
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| 14:32.43 | Loevborg | Justin: yes, I installed kernel-2.6-i686 and grub; I _think_ I did it right anyway |
| 14:32.46 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: http://pastebin.ca/472347 hard huh? |
| 14:32.46 | chubaca | lontra: « apt-file search convert |grep "usr/bin/convert" » :) |
| 14:33.20 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: paste your interfaces file also (sanitized if need be) |
| 14:33.20 | lontra | chubaca: thanks |
| 14:33.30 | chubaca | :D |
| 14:33.36 | ootput | will gaim be renamed to pidgin in etch repositories? |
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| 14:33.41 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: paste you interfaces file |
| 14:33.42 | mystic_source | hello |
| 14:33.48 | ootput | or is that something reserved for unstable repos only? |
| 14:34.03 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you have duplicate definitions. |
| 14:34.05 | liable | abrotman: dont encourage people to edit out wep keys, its totally rediculous |
| 14:34.12 | liable | or wpa keys |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | liable: some people care .. some don't |
| 14:34.25 | psyco-obiwan | is there a cmd like "dpkg-reconfigure network" or such in sarge which allows a user to easily set ip,mask,dns,gate etc. ? kinda dialog interface to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:34.31 | abrotman | liable: i edited mine to make ssure he diddn't try to use mine :) |
| 14:34.42 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/472349 |
| 14:34.49 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: yes i read that too |
| 14:34.49 | xoz | psyco-obiwan: man interfaces, simpler |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: remove one of line 10 or 12 |
| 14:35.07 | abrotman | or comment it out |
| 14:35.40 | xoz | !congratulate Dave_is_sexy |
| 14:35.40 | dpkg | Woohoo Dave_is_sexy, you did it! |
| 14:35.52 | xoz | hehe, preempting |
| 14:36.16 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: if it's a PCMCIA nic .. you might want one more option (mine is mini-pci) |
| 14:36.17 | Dave_is_sexy | LOL. whoo! looks good. !! |
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| 14:36.27 | xoz | yehey |
| 14:36.34 | yomm | Hi all ! |
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| 14:36.45 | Dave_is_sexy | here's what it says: http://pastebin.ca/472353 |
| 14:36.45 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: now .. if you had cooperated with me .. two hours ago .. it would have been fixed two hours ago :) |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | ARGHHH |
| 14:36.57 | Justin | abrotman: heh |
| 14:37.03 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: 2 hours ago i couldn't read text files |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | using mousepad ? or any? |
| 14:37.21 | psyco-obiwan | xoz: thx, but i meant more something which you can confront an enduser with.. |
| 14:37.30 | Dave_is_sexy | well i only have the one |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: double check your key |
| 14:38.11 | xoz | psyco-obiwan: using gnome and kde, they have control centers |
| 14:38.17 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: key ios correct |
| 14:38.26 | abrotman | remember .. there is no "O" in wep keys .. just "0" |
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| 14:38.36 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: not using wpa and password? |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | mine is WEP because my card is old and doesn't do WAP |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | erm .. WPA |
| 14:39.04 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: no. crazy housemates who don't understand that that would be worth doing |
| 14:39.18 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: and freeked when i set it up last time |
| 14:39.19 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: is your eth0 still plugged in ? |
| 14:39.26 | Dave_is_sexy | yeah |
| 14:39.53 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: is the card a pcmcia ? |
| 14:40.00 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: is there a dhcp server running on your router? |
| 14:40.19 | abrotman | you might need to add "allow-hotplug wlan0" if it is |
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| 14:40.59 | Dave_is_sexy | now it's not |
| 14:40.59 | Dave_is_sexy | ?? |
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| 14:41.19 | abrotman | it's not what? |
| 14:41.19 | psyco-obiwan | xoz: i prepare i sarge bootcd with a openmosix kernel, no X installed. No i wanted to set the lilo display to something like "run dpkg-reconfigure network-whatever" to reconfigure the network from dhcp... now there is a hint to man interfaces ;-) |
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| 14:41.25 | abrotman | not pcmcia or not a dhcp server ? |
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| 14:41.31 | abrotman | not pcmcia or not a dhcp server ? |
| 14:41.50 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: erm, i think it's dchp for ethernet only |
| 14:42.09 | Dave_is_sexy | incidently wifi-radar seems to think eth2 is still the only interface |
| 14:42.16 | liable | if its the same router, not likely |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: ignore wifi-radar |
| 14:42.22 | Dave_is_sexy | k |
| 14:42.29 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: what kind of wifi card is it? |
| 14:42.31 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: try pump -i wlan0 |
| 14:42.33 | liable | whats ifconfig -a say? |
| 14:42.46 | Dave_is_sexy | it's a winbond w89c33d |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | wtf is that ? |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | what chipset i mean |
| 14:43.05 | Dave_is_sexy | ..and yes it does have native linux drivers but you can't find them |
| 14:43.17 | abrotman | you can't? |
| 14:43.20 | abrotman | are you using ndiswrapper ? |
| 14:43.26 | Dave_is_sexy | nope. yep |
| 14:43.51 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: paste the results of `lspci && lspci -n` |
| 14:43.56 | hermogenes | Dave_is_sexy: wait. it has native drivers? |
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| 14:44.30 | Dave_is_sexy | liable: it says eth1, lo, sit0 and wlan0 |
| 14:45.20 | Dave_is_sexy | hermogenes: it is said to have native drivers in a promo leaflet i found. but the manufacturers said tough, i can't have it |
| 14:46.01 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: have you tried using the host AP in windows OS and it works with the current config? |
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| 14:47.46 | Dave_is_sexy | http://pastebin.ca/472361 |
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| 14:48.12 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: if ap means stuff then yes |
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| 14:49.26 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: some AP(wireless server) stores your hwadddress, otherwise, it will not allow you to use it. |
| 14:49.58 | abrotman | the manuf says it has a 2.4 driver .. nothing about 2.6 |
| 14:50.12 | Dave_is_sexy | info on the driver: http://www.winbond-usa.com/products/winbond_products/pdfs/WLAN/W89C33DProdBrief_20050622.pdf |
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| 14:51.06 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: yeah, but that's be fine. right? do ot tell me that new kernels are incompatible with old modules... |
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| 14:51.20 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: you have to configure the host AP to recognise your hwaddress. your friend may have configured it to accept only based on a list. |
| 14:51.21 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you're not using their driver .. doesn't matter |
| 14:51.46 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: try the other AP servers. |
| 14:52.12 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: er, ok. what is an ap server again? |
| 14:52.15 | abrotman | what a goofy device |
| 14:52.20 | xoz | access point. |
| 14:52.22 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: my router? |
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| 14:52.22 | abrotman | seems like it's been around for a long time |
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| 14:52.41 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: your wireless router. |
| 14:53.01 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: ah right. no it's not set to accept a list, it'll accept anyone |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | with the right key |
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| 14:53.26 | Dave_is_sexy | mhmm. |
| 14:53.29 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: try no security. |
| 14:53.49 | xand | I'm bored |
| 14:54.01 | hark | his flatmates don't allow that ;) |
| 14:54.01 | Dave_is_sexy | ok, but i'll have a maniac to deal with.... she might break my laptop |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | i see the problem .. apparently the only people who own that card .. are french |
| 14:54.23 | Dave_is_sexy | lol |
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| 14:55.23 | Dave_is_sexy | wait, no, even with no security it's not going to work. is it? it's not looking for theright inteerface. |
| 14:55.33 | torrr | I have installed the new kernel I compiled but... it say VFS: cannot open root device sda3 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:55.47 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: networking restart should work |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | wlan0 sohuld be right ? |
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| 14:56.16 | Dave_is_sexy | well how do i test that? |
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| 14:56.23 | xoz | torrr: initrd problem |
| 14:56.42 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: iwconfig shows wlan0 |
| 14:56.45 | Dave_is_sexy | wifi-radar still looks for eth2 |
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| 14:56.52 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: forget it |
| 14:56.58 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: it always has (since it worked) |
| 14:57.02 | xoz | Dave_is_sexy: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:57.07 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: done |
| 14:57.33 | torrr | xoz, I see grub has initrd file for the original kernel, but for this kernel there is no initrd line |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | wtf is wifi-radar ? |
| 14:58.02 | asg | !info wifi-radar |
| 14:58.05 | hark | another wifi gui solution |
| 14:58.05 | xingu | abrotman: a cry for help |
| 14:58.10 | dpkg | wifi-radar: (graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles), section net, is optional. Version: 1.9.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 14:58.11 | abrotman | xingu: ? |
| 14:58.22 | xingu | ^^^ |
| 14:58.22 | xoz | torrr: /msg dpkg kp. you should make initrd image aside from kernel image |
| 14:58.25 | Dave_is_sexy | its an ap to see networks. that doesn't work. gtkwifi does better but is a horrible horrible ap |
| 14:58.30 | abrotman | xingu: i've never seen it :) |
| 14:58.40 | abrotman | xingu: i've used the interfaces file and the gnoem-network thingie |
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| 15:00.01 | Dave_is_sexy | well i best go outside while there's a few hours of daylight. i'll have a go by myself and post back sometime soon |
| 15:00.02 | xingu | abrotman: folk keep thinking that cloaking complexity in fragility makes things easier to use |
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| 15:00.16 | abrotman | xingu: ah ok |
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| 15:01.02 | xand | go.... outside? |
| 15:01.08 | abrotman | xand: i'm going biking! :) |
| 15:01.14 | abrotman | shouldn't you be rowing ? |
| 15:01.16 | xand | abrotman: fix my bike |
| 15:01.23 | xand | no, I pulled a muscle |
| 15:01.30 | abrotman | hot sex! |
| 15:01.34 | xand | no |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | xand: what's wrong with your bike? |
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| 15:01.44 | xand | it has flat tyres |
| 15:01.46 | xand | punctures |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | dude .. get tubes/tires |
| 15:02.00 | xand | and the brakes might be a bit dodgy I don't know |
| 15:02.07 | xand | I'm too lazy to fix it :( |
| 15:02.39 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 15:03.48 | xand | grr |
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| 15:11.53 | xite | how do i add win entry to grub...ive xp on hdb5 n debian on hdb2 |
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| 15:13.29 | xite | how do i add XP entry to grub...ive XP on hdb5 n debian on hdb2 |
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| 15:14.45 | asg | xite: there are examples in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
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| 15:17.01 | dutchfish | xite, http://paste.debian.net/27219 |
| 15:17.51 | xite | dutchfish, i think u didnt get me |
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| 15:19.22 | dutchfish | xite, you have to edit it to your needs |
| 15:19.23 | asg | xite: the root (hd0,0) should be changed to 'root (hd1,4) for your environment (/dev/hdb5) |
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| 15:25.41 | xite | asg, thanks buddy....is that all? i dont need to do any mapping?? |
| 15:26.34 | xite | asg, i heard one has to do mapping....? to boot xp on second hard disk...plz clarify |
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| 15:28.50 | jelly-home | arron: remote desktop via ssh? |
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| 15:29.09 | jelly-home | using port forwarding? |
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| 15:29.17 | arron | jelly: yes, i log in with ssh, and x11 forwarding, then run the xfce desktop |
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| 15:29.39 | jelly-home | well, that's not really a remote desktop. |
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| 15:29.47 | arron | it comes threw, but more or less takes over the desktop im useing, id like to keep it in a window |
| 15:29.49 | jelly-home | since you're using the local X server |
| 15:30.08 | arron | what is that then? it is running from the remote server |
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| 15:30.26 | arron | i mean i get the desktop and everything from the other pc |
| 15:30.42 | jelly-home | arron: don't start xfce, just start whatever apps you want |
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| 15:31.24 | arron | jelly: is there anyway i can have a workspace to do different things in? preferably xfce since it is all setup? I looked at vnc, but i want to be able to have different users use it seperatly |
| 15:31.43 | dutchfish | arron, xephyr, xnest? |
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| 15:31.49 | abrotman | couldn't he use xnest to a remote host ? |
| 15:32.06 | arron | ill have a look what those are :-P thank you. |
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| 15:33.17 | jelly-home | I thought if arron already has a local X server and presumably some sort of window manager running, why would s?he want to start a whole DE again |
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| 15:33.54 | jelly-home | jsut use the one already running |
| 15:34.31 | dutchfish | jelly-home, you are right, but that he didnt ask |
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| 15:34.41 | arron | jelly: Id like to get the workspace of the remote pc, and it would be *nice* to have it run in a window ont he pc logging in |
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| 15:35.31 | jelly-home | arron: is someone already logged on on the remote machine? |
| 15:35.37 | arron | ie use the work tools on the server, and have all the nice stuff on the local pc |
| 15:35.42 | arron | and be able to work with multiple windows, like gimp |
| 15:35.49 | arron | there is at times yes |
| 15:36.42 | jelly-home | arron: if there's no one logged on, there is no "workspace", X doesn't work that way |
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| 15:37.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe division of work ? |
| 15:37.16 | DocPlatypus | arron: you can get applications to run on a remote PC and display locally, X runs over TCP after all |
| 15:37.55 | arron | Doc: i got that working, and when i run xfce it mor eor less takes over the whole desktop, and i can use it great. id like to put this into a window |
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| 15:39.07 | DocPlatypus | if the PC is remote enough, then you may also have the issue of bandwidth |
| 15:39.16 | jelly-home | arron: no way to do it without a separate X server (like xnest). xfdesktop puts its window over the whole of the current desktop. It should be smart enough to detect something is already managing the dekstop though. |
| 15:39.36 | arron | Doc: it works fine now, id just like to putit into a window or something for better management |
| 15:39.37 | DocPlatypus | let's just say that unless the remote PC is on a T-1 or better it might be too slow to be tolerable |
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| 15:41.25 | jelly-home | arron: but, do you not already have a local desktop environment? |
| 15:41.36 | arron | so does xephyr display at all on the server? |
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| 15:42.16 | arron | jelly: yes i do. It is just nice to have all the applets and stuff on the server (network monitor etc) |
| 15:42.53 | arron | like vnc, you get the whole desktop in a window. but i dont want it to take over the desktop running on that pc |
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| 15:43.43 | jelly-home | arron: oh. what they said, then |
| 15:43.45 | jelly-home | :-) |
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| 15:44.24 | arron | so xephyr is my best bet then? |
| 15:44.26 | pipeline | DocPlatypus: it's actually more latency than bandwidth |
| 15:44.38 | pipeline | DocPlatypus: X11 is perfectly tolerable on a low-latency 64 kbit link :P |
| 15:45.15 | dutchfish | arron, http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Multiterminal_with_Xephyr |
| 15:45.36 | jelly-home | arron: I prefer running separate apps, as my mind still thinks running remote X is "expensive" :-) |
| 15:45.53 | arron | hehe. thanks. |
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| 15:46.40 | dutchfish | arron, jelly-home i use Xephyr sometimes on local lans, but not over the 'hedge' so to speak |
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| 15:46.53 | arron | so i guess a tunnel with the xfce be better for pc's with no Hd or something like that |
| 15:48.12 | jelly-home | if you're making a thin client on local lan, you can just do xdmcp and log in to the remote machine |
| 15:48.42 | HostilePenguin | what do i have to do to this menu.lst to be able to boot this second drive http://pastebin.ca/472401 |
| 15:48.45 | HostilePenguin | here is fdisk -l http://pastebin.ca/472404 |
| 15:48.56 | arron | cool. not what im really looking for though. just like to get xfce in a window. although i can make it work now more or less |
| 15:49.26 | arron | thanks for the help :-P |
| 15:49.28 | xand | xnest? |
| 15:49.55 | jelly-home | xephyr is apparently the new xnest |
| 15:50.03 | jelly-home | !info xserver-xephyr |
| 15:50.05 | xand | orly |
| 15:50.18 | dutchfish | !xephyr |
| 15:50.19 | arron | xand: i looked at xephyr, i dont think it can get the whole desktop up |
| 15:50.23 | dpkg | xserver-xephyr: (Next Generation Nested X Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1546 kB, Installed size: 3876 kB |
| 15:50.46 | jelly-home | the only Next Generation I tolerate is ST:TNG |
| 15:50.49 | xand | hehe |
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| 15:51.34 | jelly-home | ... what with working at an ISP deploying triple-play, NGN, wtf and omglol technologies |
| 15:53.31 | dutchfish | jelly-home, ? |
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| 15:54.15 | jelly-home | nm, just ranting in general |
| 15:54.44 | dutchfish | jelly-home, i meant what you mean with ST:TNG? |
| 15:55.09 | jelly-home | dutchfish: ah, that's the Star Trek with Picard, Data, and friends |
| 15:55.59 | dutchfish | jelly-home, ok, [feels retarded], didnt recognize my favorite tv serie in it ;) |
| 15:57.47 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I guess it's easier to type TOS, TNG, or DS9 then spell out everything |
| 15:57.59 | jelly-home | s/then/than/ |
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| 15:58.32 | dutchfish | jelly-home, sure, but was grinding my mind of a module with this name, and why i missed that 1 |
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| 15:58.44 | Sergo | anyone know how to configure 3D-Acceleration for video card |
| 15:59.05 | xand | no |
| 15:59.06 | jelly-home | that would be :: then, wouldn't it? :-) |
| 15:59.37 | war | I have disabled logrotate/etc-- but whenever I reboot some of my logs are still getting moved to mail.log.0 etc, what script is responsible for this? |
| 15:59.41 | war | x86_64/testing |
| 15:59.53 | dutchfish | jelly-home, right, enough |
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| 16:00.43 | jelly-home | Sergo: it really depends on which card it is, and which distro. see "/msg dpkg ati" or "/msg dpkg nvidia" |
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| 16:01.02 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 16:01.34 | dutchfish | some aparently lack the decency to even wait for an answer .... |
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| 16:01.49 | xand | flog them! |
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| 16:02.08 | hark | actually s/he did get an answer |
| 16:02.26 | jelly-home | /nick anyone |
| 16:02.29 | hayp | Hello I installed a java package via dpkg, however I don't remember which package, but now I want to completely remove java from my machine, how would I go about this ? |
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| 16:03.05 | hark | do a dpkg -l |
| 16:03.21 | hark | er.. |grep java and take a look :) |
| 16:03.25 | hayp | ok thanks |
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| 16:03.37 | torrr | I have recompiled the kernel using make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image and stil get the problem FS: cannot open root device sda3 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:03.48 | hark | or check the aptitude/dpkg logs |
| 16:04.25 | hayp | ok hark, will do |
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| 16:04.41 | b0rg | !help |
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| 16:05.31 | Heston | how much space would i need on / to install a new kernel(binary only) package? |
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| 16:06.31 | b0rg | Hi, i just installed Debian 4 etch, i installed the ndiswrapper-source.deb ,,, the module source package, but it`s not compileld. can you helpl me. i need to compile the module so ndiswrappe rcan work so I can have internet on my laptop |
| 16:06.37 | b0rg | :) thanx |
| 16:06.41 | krifur | hello, i try to mount a file create with dd >mount -o loop /srv/test.img /tmp and i get this error:mount: you must specify the filesystem type, i try to specifie -t ext3 but it don t work, what filesystem i have to specify, the on from image or the one i put the image (/mnt) ? |
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| 16:06.52 | Sergo | hello |
| 16:07.00 | Sergo | who use Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controlle |
| 16:07.02 | Sergo | =] |
| 16:07.07 | xand | krifur: the one the image uses |
| 16:07.15 | xand | Sergo: no-one |
| 16:07.24 | xand | !tell Sergo about ask |
| 16:07.48 | Sergo | why |
| 16:07.53 | xand | why what? |
| 16:08.08 | krifur | xand: i create the image like this dd if=/dev/zero of=/srv/test.img bs=1M count=1500 so it should be ext3 nope ? |
| 16:08.19 | hark | b0rg: do an m-a prepare; and m-a-a-i ndiswrapper (or read /usr/share/doc/ndiswrapper-source) |
| 16:08.24 | xand | krifur: no, it'll be a load of nothing |
| 16:08.31 | Sergo | xand: you are sure of 743 peoples from this channel no-one is using That? |
| 16:08.43 | xand | Sergo: read what dpkg told you |
| 16:08.51 | Sergo | :) |
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| 16:08.55 | Sergo | okk |
| 16:09.06 | Sergo | i asked |
| 16:09.13 | krifur | xand: oh, ok so i can choose any kind of filesystem o_O? |
| 16:09.14 | xand | krifur: copying from /dev/zero won't make you a filesystem |
| 16:09.29 | Sergo | i need to do 3D-acceleration for that video card |
| 16:09.31 | krifur | xand: right |
| 16:09.34 | Sergo | i can't configure it |
| 16:09.34 | xand | perhaps you could format it using mfks, I don't know |
| 16:09.49 | Sergo | but driver is installed |
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| 16:09.52 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 16:10.17 | hark | Sergo: what does the Xorg log say? |
| 16:10.18 | ribnitz | I am looking for an app to rip an audio cd to flac, ideall with nice gui elements. |
| 16:10.22 | krifur | xand: damn i forgot to say that i format the image in ext3 (arf) |
| 16:10.35 | krifur | so i don t understand why mount don t take it |
| 16:10.44 | xand | how did you format it? |
| 16:10.53 | ribnitz | I am also looking for a toolset for ext4, for a kernel 2.6.20.. |
| 16:11.02 | Sergo | hark: i want to run video games and the cedega says that 3d-acceleration faield to pass |
| 16:11.05 | Sergo | =[ |
| 16:11.06 | xand | ribnitz: use sound juicer in gnome |
| 16:11.06 | krifur | mkfs.ext3 srv/test.img |
| 16:11.17 | Enverex | Sergo, Use Wine |
| 16:11.38 | Sergo | Enverex the problem is not in wine/cedega |
| 16:11.39 | Eclipser | any news on gtkmm2.10 coming to sid? |
| 16:11.55 | hark | Sergo: ok, but "glxinfo |grep direct" says yes? |
| 16:11.57 | Sergo | wine also can't play corectly the games that use 3d |
| 16:12.06 | ribnitz | xand: thanks. |
| 16:12.14 | Sergo | hark: 1 sec. |
| 16:12.30 | kramed | so fix your 3d. there are ample posts about it on every linux forum |
| 16:12.30 | ribnitz | Any idea if there is a toolset for ext4 in sid? |
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| 16:12.46 | Sergo | hark: Yes |
| 16:12.53 | Sergo | it's says Yes |
| 16:13.14 | hark | Sergo: pastebin LIBG_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |
| 16:13.45 | Sergo | sec |
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| 16:14.16 | Cybodog | I have a few stupid questions that confuse me: |
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| 16:14.36 | hark | Sergo: it's LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo actually :) |
| 16:14.49 | Cybodog | amd64 dual core, 32bit Sid: which linux-image should I install? |
| 16:15.26 | Sergo | hark: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19301/ |
| 16:15.32 | hark | either amd64 or the 686 one |
| 16:15.37 | Cybodog | I have linux-image 2.6-k7 but linux-image-2.6.20-1-K7 is not installed. |
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| 16:15.58 | Cybodog | hark, I see. |
| 16:16.31 | Cybodog | but 686 says for pent, pro, celeron etc |
| 16:16.41 | hark | !info libgtkmm2.0-dev |
| 16:16.45 | dpkg | libgtkmm2.0-dev: (C++ wrappers for GTK+ 2.0 (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.2.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1668 kB, Installed size: 10308 kB |
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| 16:17.05 | Cybodog | and the amd64 I thought was for 64 bit OS? |
| 16:17.06 | hark | Cybodog: ah, i read it as core duo :) |
| 16:17.20 | Sergo | hark: any idea |
| 16:17.24 | hark | you can have a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit userspace |
| 16:17.40 | Cybodog | I thought that might cause issues? |
| 16:18.07 | Cybodog | I have been using debian for a long long time, but have not kept up with the mail lists, so I am a bit out of date. |
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| 16:18.07 | hark | Sergo: see what i said earlier.. i made a typo (LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo) |
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| 16:18.37 | jetscreamer | hark: not with nvidia, or so it says |
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| 16:19.07 | haxality | hello, I'm looking to erase a bunch of duplicate audio files from my music library. is there some nifty regex snippet or something I can use to accomplish this? |
| 16:19.14 | Cybodog | I also want to run vmserver, but again the linux-image-*-vserver-k7 confuses me, is that for the xen? |
| 16:19.16 | Sergo | hark: pastebin ? |
| 16:19.21 | haxality | or even a simple shell script someone knows of |
| 16:19.53 | Sergo | don't understand |
| 16:19.53 | hark | Sergo: you missed the 'L' |
| 16:19.53 | jetscreamer | haxality: apt-cache search dupelicate |
| 16:19.57 | jetscreamer | err dupllicate |
| 16:20.03 | haxality | haha |
| 16:20.03 | Cybodog | Sergo, pastebin is a place to copy text pastebin.org IIRC |
| 16:20.14 | Sergo | ok, sec |
| 16:20.20 | hark | Sergo: but earlier someone else had problems with cedega too, try a 3d game from the repos to confirm |
| 16:20.27 | Cybodog | sergo, copy the text, past back here the page number so we can go and look |
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| 16:21.47 | Sergo | hark;: done |
| 16:21.47 | Sergo | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19303/ |
| 16:21.47 | peasset | hi, i've just installed openoffice 2.2 on my debian etch. I have big problems of screen refresh in Draw (image persistance after scolling) . Have you noticed that? |
| 16:21.47 | haxality | jetscreamer: I found a bunch of stuff. should I just install one and have at it, or were you talking about a specific program? |
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| 16:22.10 | hayp | It seems that I didn't install java via dpkg |
| 16:22.12 | hayp | So |
| 16:22.23 | hayp | How do I go about uninstalling java in general ? |
| 16:22.32 | hayp | is there a way in linux (I'm pretty new) |
| 16:22.37 | Cybodog | hayp, deps on how you installed it :) |
| 16:22.42 | hayp | yeah already feared that |
| 16:22.50 | hark | Sergo: everything seems ok |
| 16:22.53 | hayp | the problem is that I don't remember |
| 16:22.59 | hayp | I just checked it |
| 16:23.11 | Sergo | hark: but this |
| 16:23.11 | hayp | dpkg gives me only some minor java tools |
| 16:23.15 | hayp | not the "main" package that is on my system |
| 16:23.17 | Cybodog | hayp, if you bypass your systems package managment, that means package mainteniance is 100% manaul |
| 16:23.21 | Sergo | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 16:23.23 | Sergo | on line 12 |
| 16:23.25 | hayp | I see Cybodog |
| 16:23.30 | Sergo | something is wrong? |
| 16:23.33 | hark | Sergo: that's ok |
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| 16:23.52 | Cybodog | hayp, the only recourse is to go backwards from the instructions you used and remove the files. |
| 16:24.09 | Sergo | yes but in general the 3D-acceleration is not working/actived now |
| 16:24.09 | hayp | ok |
| 16:24.21 | hayp | I guess that apt-get doesn't contain a Java package ? |
| 16:24.30 | Cybodog | or just use dpkg and test to see if your system is using the deb version |
| 16:24.30 | hayp | since sun =/= free-minded let's say |
| 16:24.35 | hayp | k |
| 16:24.37 | Cybodog | hayp it does |
| 16:24.44 | hayp | ah it does? |
| 16:24.47 | hark | Sergo: it should work, try a native game like say planetpenguin-racer to confirm :) |
| 16:24.47 | hayp | weird |
| 16:24.57 | Cybodog | sun java is (last I checked ) in the repos |
| 16:24.59 | Sergo | :) |
| 16:25.04 | hark | hayp: it;s in non-free |
| 16:25.11 | hayp | oh cool |
| 16:25.22 | Sergo | hark: this game use 3d-acceleration? |
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| 16:25.36 | hark | Sergo: yes, last i remember :) |
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| 16:25.58 | Cybodog | hayp sun-java5* |
| 16:26.11 | hayp | ok |
| 16:26.28 | Cybodog | hayp or sun-java better yet. there is a 6 |
| 16:26.36 | hayp | yeah there is a 6 nowadays |
| 16:26.40 | hayp | well |
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| 16:26.56 | hark | Cybodog: linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 is in the repos |
| 16:27.04 | hark | sun java 6 is not in etch |
| 16:27.20 | Cybodog | hark, true that on java, I run sid. |
| 16:27.36 | hayp | my main problem is that java is already installed, however my program needs the JDK to run which I sucesfully unpacked as a directory, but I'm stuck adjusting all my path variables to all point to that one directory |
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| 16:27.55 | hark | hayp: use update-java-alternativrs for that |
| 16:27.57 | Cybodog | hark, and that is what confuses me with the kernel packages, I have linux-image-k7, but it did not upgrade to the .20 version |
| 16:28.05 | peasset | hi, i've just installed openoffice 2.2 on my debian etch. I have big problems of screen refresh in Draw (image persistance after scolling) . Have you noticed that? |
| 16:28.52 | Cybodog | peasset, I have not seen that. |
| 16:28.52 | peasset | ok |
| 16:28.52 | hark | Cybodog: yes, that metapackage has not been updated. it still points to the 2.6,18 kernel |
| 16:28.53 | Cybodog | hark, cool. |
| 16:28.55 | Cybodog | any idea what the vserver package is for? |
| 16:29.02 | Cybodog | will that assist me with vmserver? |
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| 16:29.19 | Cybodog | as in linux-image-vserver-k7 |
| 16:29.49 | hark | i think it means this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-VServer |
| 16:30.03 | Cybodog | and the only other question I have is about dual core, would I need smp for max usage or is that for sockets rather then cores? |
| 16:30.26 | hark | smp is already enabled for all kernels now |
| 16:30.41 | Cybodog | hark, thanks for the update. |
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| 16:30.52 | hark | except oldstable's |
| 16:30.52 | Cybodog | I realy need to subscribe back to the user mailing lists |
| 16:30.53 | HostilePenguin | where is grub.conf at? |
| 16:31.01 | Cybodog | /boot/grub |
| 16:31.13 | Cybodog | HostilePenguin, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 16:31.42 | OrangeRoot1k | hey what is this nvidia one liner i have seen talked about? i have a geforce 5700LE nvidia card |
| 16:31.53 | Vasistha | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:31.53 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 16:32.48 | Vasistha | OrangeRoot1k: looks like you may want to /msg dpkg nvidia_legacy |
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| 16:33.39 | SoulChild | hey all ,... i changed to debian today and i am faszinated :D # |
| 16:33.53 | Vasistha | fascinated, even? |
| 16:34.06 | SoulChild | ? |
| 16:34.07 | OrangeRoot1k | ok Vasistha ... thanks |
| 16:34.47 | Vasistha | SoulChild: just teasing ;) We like proper spelling and grammer in here ... anyway, have you got any burning questions we can answer? |
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| 16:35.25 | Rakker | grammar even |
| 16:35.36 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 16:35.41 | SoulChild | Vasistha: thanks, yes i have .... i can't see packages in synaptic that can be removed... i mean the section under "installed" |
| 16:35.44 | Cybodog | hark, again thanks for the vm link, I will have to work on that implementaion after my next learning project is over. |
| 16:36.13 | SoulChild | Rakker: well i am from germany, and my english isn't the best, please excuse |
| 16:36.59 | HostilePenguin | some guy is telling me debian uses grub.conf i really dont know wtf |
| 16:37.11 | Vasistha | absolutely! like I said -- just teasing! We won't give you a hard time about it, as long as you do your best. It's the americans who come in here and ask "r u using nvidia?" who get a hard time |
| 16:37.25 | Cybodog | grub.conf =/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:37.31 | Cybodog | RH uses grub.conf |
| 16:37.43 | Rakker | SoulChild: your English looks fine to me, don't worry about it :) |
| 16:37.45 | Cybodog | and symlinks to menu.lst |
| 16:38.01 | HostilePenguin | he keeps telling me to paste my grub.conf not my menu.lst i think im done there |
| 16:38.03 | SoulChild | Rakker: Thanks,.... well let's talk about my problems |
| 16:38.49 | Vasistha | HostilePenguin: what channel is this guy in? |
| 16:38.52 | Cybodog | HostilePenguin, if there is a diff, I am ignorant on that fact, anybody confirm or deny? |
| 16:38.55 | HostilePenguin | linux |
| 16:39.24 | novice` | when i make something in linux with make install. Is there a way to remove the install? |
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| 16:39.30 | Vasistha | SoulChild: at any rate, I've pretty much abandoned synaptic in favor of aptitude ... but is there some package in particular that you want to remove, or what? |
| 16:39.33 | pipeline | novice`: oh, sometimes. |
| 16:39.38 | pipeline | novice`: there's no standards for this kind of thing. |
| 16:39.44 | pipeline | novice`: try "make deinstall" or "make uninstall" |
| 16:39.51 | novice` | thanks |
| 16:39.54 | pipeline | novice`: next time, use the "checkinstall" package to monitor the 'make' process |
| 16:39.56 | Vasistha | novice`: well, preferably you want to use dpkg-buildpackage rather than make install in the first place :P |
| 16:40.02 | pipeline | novice`: then you can be guaranteed of the ability to not screw yourself over |
| 16:40.16 | SoulChild | Vasistha: no it's just, in ubuntu u can see all unneeded installed packages in synaptic but in debian, i don't have this section |
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| 16:40.30 | SoulChild | anyway |
| 16:40.37 | SoulChild | I have the network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed, but it does not start at boot,any ideas ? |
| 16:40.39 | HostilePenguin | i just want to edit my menu.lst to have the option to boot from a second drive |
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| 16:40.54 | Cybodog | Well, I have to leave, or I will spend all my time chatting, thanks for the support. |
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| 16:42.23 | Vasistha | SoulChild: ohh ... hum, again, I'm not entirely sure how it works with synaptic, but first of all, since you've got a new system, there may not be any unneeded installed packages in the first place. secondly, there are several different tools you can use to find & prune unneeded packages ... I'm not sure how well synaptic is suited to the task -- whether it does as good a job at it as aptitude, for example. |
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| 16:42.51 | kramed | what commands would I use to delete files from which I have listed in a file |
| 16:42.53 | Vasistha | SoulChild: regarding NetworkManager, you could look in /etc/rc2.d and see if there's a Startup link to it there |
| 16:43.09 | xand | kramed: for i in `cat file`; do rm $i; done |
| 16:43.10 | Vasistha | kramed: xargs <input_file rm -i |
| 16:43.17 | SoulChild | Thank you ,... i ll check |
| 16:43.17 | xand | kramed: depending on how they are seperated etc |
| 16:43.24 | kramed | awesome thanks |
| 16:43.38 | SoulChild | and what is a good GUI packaging programm ? |
| 16:43.40 | SoulChild | for gnome |
| 16:43.40 | xand | kramed: you'll be wanting to test that first :D |
| 16:43.41 | Vasistha | xand: better to do: while read i; do rm $i; done <file |
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| 16:44.15 | ak70 | It seems that there is a bug in both kernel 2.6.18-4 and 2.6.20-3. with both kernel, I can not write a file large than 1Gb to a UDF file system! |
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| 16:44.33 | mcmillen | xingu: thanks to your tip on "noaccel", i finally have my laptop in 800x600x16-bit. thank you! |
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| 16:44.41 | ak70 | I met it long time ago |
| 16:44.57 | ak70 | does anyone have a solution? |
| 16:44.58 | Vasistha | ak70: that may be a limitation of the udf filesystem, actually ... doesn't udf require breaking stuff up into smaller chunks? |
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| 16:45.22 | ak70 | that is not UDF's problem |
| 16:45.37 | kramed | that xargs command rocks |
| 16:45.39 | ak70 | because with earlier kernels ,I can do it |
| 16:45.51 | Vasistha | SoulChild: we really like aptitude in here. It's console-based, and has a bit of a learning curve, but it's very powerful ... and once you get used to it, you'll never want to go back ;) |
| 16:46.29 | ak70 | That is why I say it is a bug in kernel |
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| 16:47.16 | ak70 | even with the kernel compiled by myself, it works perfectly |
| 16:48.07 | xand | ak70: file a bug report then |
| 16:48.15 | ak70 | but on a debian etch machine, it does not work, neither on sid |
| 16:48.21 | Vasistha | ak70: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=00a2b0f6dd2372842df73de72d51621b539fea44 |
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| 16:48.42 | jetscreamer | ak70: no shit |
| 16:48.47 | jetscreamer | same here |
| 16:48.49 | jetscreamer | try uuid |
| 16:49.13 | Vasistha | ak70: I got that link from wikipedia, after the NOTE: since 2.6.8, it is no longer possible to write files bigger than 1 GB |
| 16:49.49 | jetscreamer | !info udftools |
| 16:49.57 | dpkg | udftools: (tools for UDF filesystems and DVD/CD-R(W) drives), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1.0.0b3-12 (sid), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 16:50.11 | ak70 | nice, then I have to stay on my old machine |
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| 16:50.31 | ak70 | I am not using DVDs |
| 16:50.43 | xand | ak70: what medium are you writing to then? |
| 16:50.51 | ak70 | REV disks |
| 16:50.55 | xand | I see |
| 16:51.02 | xand | can't you use a different FS? |
| 16:51.16 | Vasistha | SoulChild: there's some wonderful documentation for aptitude here: /usr/share/aptitude/README ... god only knows why that isn't mentioned in the manpage :P |
| 16:51.24 | jetscreamer | how would you give a user rights to apt-get stuff w/o being root |
| 16:51.37 | jetscreamer | and w/o sudo sux super fakeroot et al |
| 16:51.41 | ak70 | According to Iomega, it is not possible |
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| 16:53.22 | peasset | Hi! how can i install more fonts for openoffice ? i have installed msttcorefonts but i'd like more !! |
| 16:53.28 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: well, normal users can apt-get sources; you can *try* --download-only although I'm not sure if that will work. Of course, non-root users may not install packages on the system. |
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| 16:53.45 | Vasistha | peasset: look through aptitude for fonts, or ttf |
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| 16:54.00 | Sergo | planetpenguin-racer lol |
| 16:54.04 | Sergo | this game rule |
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| 16:54.26 | peasset | ok Vasistha |
| 16:54.57 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: chmod +s /usr/bin/dpkg ? i'm not going to, but would it work/how would you work it ... for a regular user to be able to install packages. |
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| 16:55.10 | tenco | what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 16:55.13 | minus | Can someone help me with my WLan? I Installed MadWiFi Driver.. But what next?! |
| 16:55.26 | minus | How should i connect to a network? |
| 16:55.27 | jetscreamer | s/vasistha/vasisthaORanybody/ |
| 16:55.41 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: I wouldn't do it. simple as that. I'm fairly certain apt-get checks to make sure it is being run by root, when asked to install. |
| 16:55.45 | dErFF | Cannot connect to Xserver when i typed "fluxbox" |
| 16:56.26 | Vasistha | minus: ifconfig -a ... see if there's an entry for wlan0 or something |
| 16:56.28 | jetscreamer | dErFF: man update-alternatives, get it correct to start flux, use startx |
| 16:56.49 | ak70 | Vasistha:can you give me the link you mentioned above? |
| 16:56.52 | jetscreamer | !alternatives |
| 16:56.52 | dpkg | from memory, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 16:57.01 | Vasistha | ak70: I did -- I gave it before I mentioned it |
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| 16:58.18 | dErFF | startx says something about 0:1 another X is already running |
| 16:58.37 | ak70 | Vasistha:sorry, I though you had another one from Wikipedia |
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| 16:59.14 | Vasistha | ak70: no, wikipedia linked to that rather cryptic dev list. I assume that they found an instability bug in it and took out the capability |
| 16:59.22 | Vasistha | dErFF: try ctrl+alt+f7 ... perhaps it's already running |
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| 17:00.06 | dErFF | alight |
| 17:00.07 | amphi | dErFF: try startx -- :2 perhaps |
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| 17:00.49 | gravity | startx -- :1 is fine |
| 17:00.54 | giupy | hi all, when i open a file with mplayer under fvwm-crystal, it hasn't window borders, why? |
| 17:00.54 | gravity | The default screen in :0 |
| 17:01.00 | gravity | s/screen/display/ |
| 17:01.09 | tenco | ok. seems no one knows |
| 17:01.23 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: if you want to allow a normal user to modify any file on your system, what is the point of having permissions, anyway? You may as well run windows 98, where *everyone* is root |
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| 17:01.41 | tenco | sticking with debootstrap |
| 17:01.59 | bushblows | I am compiling my own kernel for a dual pentium3 server, what patch would I need for dual CPU support |
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| 17:02.11 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: ok so that means you don't know... :p j/k |
| 17:02.19 | bushblows | kernel is 2.6.18.3 |
| 17:02.22 | giupy | bush: you need smp |
| 17:02.31 | jetscreamer | you don't need a patch, just enable smp.. should be already |
| 17:02.35 | jetscreamer | check though |
| 17:02.39 | bushblows | ok thanks |
| 17:02.41 | amphi | gravity: oh, I thought he said X said there was already a server on display 1 |
| 17:02.47 | giupy | bushblows: smp only |
| 17:02.51 | gravity | Ah, ok |
| 17:02.53 | gravity | I missed that, sorry |
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| 17:03.27 | amphi | gravity: |
| 17:03.35 | amphi | er |
| 17:03.48 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: well, I know it's stupid ;) I suppose you could set a sticky bit on apt-get, but don't blame me if you hose your system. It strikes me as being about as stupid as doing chmod -R a+rw / ... which will hose your system, believe it or not. Certain processes require certain files to have certain permissions. |
| 17:03.54 | amphi | gravity: although I doubt he really wants 3 X servers |
| 17:04.00 | gravity | amphi: True |
| 17:04.17 | gravity | I do that occasionally, but I've got special needs :-) |
| 17:04.25 | amphi | heh |
| 17:04.43 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: like i said at the very beginning... it's not like i'm going to do it, just wondering |
| 17:04.54 | Vasistha | bushblows: yeah, you probably don't even need to compile your own, you could probably just use one of the stock smp kernels |
| 17:05.03 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: oh, heh, I missed that part ;) |
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| 17:05.12 | bushblows | well I want a vanilla kernel |
| 17:05.25 | jetscreamer | all stock linux-images are smp enabled |
| 17:05.52 | bushblows | oh, ok thanks |
| 17:06.05 | Vasistha | where's that factoid that says "just use the stock kernels"?? |
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| 17:06.50 | jetscreamer | !listvals stock kernel |
| 17:06.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stock kernel' by value (1): 2.2.x. |
| 17:06.57 | jetscreamer | i dunno if that works... ah |
| 17:07.07 | jetscreamer | !listvals stock kernels |
| 17:07.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stock kernels' by value returned no results. |
| 17:07.18 | jetscreamer | !listvals stock |
| 17:07.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stock' by value (15 of 20): CMD: yank (.*?) ;; fishnet ;; gfcc ;; gratliaitsm ;; isapnp ;; linuxone ;; mpeg_encode mmx ;; okie ;; ponder ;; rfc1404 ;; rfc1420 ;; rfc602 ;; sth ;; sthlm ;; xmas. |
| 17:07.27 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 17:07.29 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 17:07.48 | Vasistha | bushblows: in 99.5% of all cases, there really is not any advantage to compiling your own. As a general rule, the stock kernels boot up just about as fast, operate just as fast, and don't take any more memory than a vanilla kernel of your own. The wonders of modulization are ... wonderful |
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| 17:08.17 | eshat | Hi all... my sound is always muted if i restart my computer.... any ideas ??? |
| 17:08.36 | hark | !custom kernel |
| 17:08.37 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 17:08.55 | hark | eshat: install alsa-utils |
| 17:09.04 | jetscreamer | eshat: probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
| 17:09.11 | jetscreamer | or what hark said |
| 17:09.15 | eshat | hark: ok thanks |
| 17:09.34 | jetscreamer | !debian kernel image |
| 17:09.52 | jetscreamer | !<debian kernel image> |
| 17:09.58 | jetscreamer | oh well |
| 17:09.59 | piper69 | is there is a kernel-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:10.10 | piper69 | apt-get is not working for me |
| 17:10.12 | xand | !search |
| 17:10.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 17:10.12 | piper69 | ?? |
| 17:10.20 | xand | !pdo |
| 17:10.21 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:10.22 | eshat | hark: woow i think it worked... |
| 17:10.24 | Vasistha | piper69: maybe you want linux-headers |
| 17:10.26 | jetscreamer | piper69: not in sid |
| 17:10.31 | hark | probably not, there was a security update |
| 17:10.34 | jetscreamer | yes linux-headers |
| 17:10.44 | eshat | I have a lot of issuses so please do not shout me guys, if get on your nerves :D |
| 17:10.45 | jetscreamer | it's on pdo, etch, and lenny |
| 17:10.53 | chemaja | how stable are people finding Gnome 2.18 in Sid (ie. compared with a typical Gnome 2.18 distro) |
| 17:10.55 | jetscreamer | !yell at eshat |
| 17:11.09 | piper69 | thanks linux header works |
| 17:11.10 | piper69 | ;) |
| 17:11.13 | jetscreamer | !confuse eshat then |
| 17:11.13 | dpkg | No, what is my badger today, eshat then? wellies of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 17:11.14 | Vasistha | !beer eshat |
| 17:11.19 | concept10 | chemaja, no problems |
| 17:11.38 | chemaja | concept10: thanks |
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| 17:12.19 | eshat | sorry my english isn't that good |
| 17:12.50 | Vasistha | eshat: don't worry about it -- we can understand you, that's the main thing ;) |
| 17:12.51 | eshat | is there a programm that auto mounts my partitions ? |
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| 17:13.29 | eshat | it's because my fstab isn't configuered,... |
| 17:13.41 | xand | eshat: what's wrong with fstab? |
| 17:13.46 | Gwildor_ | im having a X problem, possibly refresh rates.... |
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| 17:13.52 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 17:13.58 | Vasistha | eshat: kde has an auto-mounting daemon, gnome might as well; I think there's also some kind of kernel patch for that. Do you really want to auto-mount, or would you be just as happy to have us help you configure fstab, so you can manually mount when it's appropriate? |
| 17:14.07 | Pupeno | How do I configure my Debian box to have the clock in UTC? |
| 17:14.27 | Vasistha | Pupeno: maybe you want tzconfig |
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| 17:14.48 | Vasistha | !tell Pupeno -about tzconfig |
| 17:14.58 | Gwildor_ | my display is 'split'..... the 'top' of the screen is displayed at the bottom of the screen, and the 'bottom' of the screen is displayed about 1/4 up the screen... |
| 17:15.00 | hark | set UTC to yes in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 17:15.09 | xand | Pupeno: do you mean change the timezone, or tell it that the hardware clock is UTC? |
| 17:15.14 | subopt | Why is there no rar support in Debian? |
| 17:15.15 | eshat | Vasistha: thank's for the info, i just wanted to know if there is a programm but if u say it's better to configure it manually, i ll do that by my self, there are enough tuts on that |
| 17:15.16 | Gwildor_ | anyone know what the cuase would be? |
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| 17:15.36 | xq | subopt: open synaptic and do a search for rar ;) |
| 17:15.53 | subopt | xq: just did; no hits |
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| 17:16.12 | Pupeno | Vasistha: tzconfig only sets the time zone, but not the hardware clock to utc. |
| 17:16.13 | xand | I think rar *may* be in non-free, don't remember |
| 17:16.16 | Pupeno | xand: the second. |
| 17:16.22 | Vasistha | subopt: yeah, you probably want the non-free one ... the package is called unrar, it's in the non-free section |
| 17:16.28 | xand | Pupeno: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:16.32 | xq | what are your sources? in /etc/apt/sources.list -- you pulling from just etch? |
| 17:16.33 | subopt | thanks, guys. |
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| 17:16.38 | xand | Pupeno: reboot, and then set the clock |
| 17:16.39 | Vasistha | Pupeno: did you read the factoid? Also see date --set |
| 17:16.40 | eshat | Vasistha: by the eay i am soulchild,... you recommended me to use aptitude... can u tell me how to find out which packages can be removed because other needed packages are not installed ? |
| 17:16.46 | Vasistha | !u |
| 17:16.47 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:16.50 | jetscreamer | tzconfig: command not found |
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| 17:16.54 | jetscreamer | wtf eh |
| 17:17.05 | xq | aye, add non-free to sources.list |
| 17:17.12 | Pupeno | Vasistha: yes. Thanks. |
| 17:17.18 | jetscreamer | eshat: /msg dpkg fix-unmet |
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| 17:18.02 | eshat | jetscreamer: ??? |
| 17:18.18 | jetscreamer | ok don't then |
| 17:18.36 | xq | lol |
| 17:19.00 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: wow, that's mighty strange, indeed. I would imagine that kinda thing could only come from bad xorg.conf settings and intolerant hardware. What kinda hardware are you using? |
| 17:19.20 | eshat | okay... another question ,... why does the network-manager not autostart after install ??? |
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| 17:19.27 | eshat | !network-manager |
| 17:19.36 | jetscreamer | omg it's Lord yu! |
| 17:19.43 | jetscreamer | call sg1 |
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| 17:20.10 | chemaja | i love this from some sid faq re. using sid on desktop: "If you think you can handle a broken Debian system, sure. Do you know what to do if libpam0g breaks, preventing all logins? Do you know what to do if grep breaks, causing the boot process to hang forever? These things have happened. They will happen again." |
| 17:20.22 | xq | yu lasted momentarily |
| 17:20.23 | Gwildor_ | Vasistha, its a rage mobility... i have to imagine its jsut the .conf, as this install was done on a box with a nvidea card...... |
| 17:20.27 | chemaja | hands up who knows what to do when libpam0g breaks ;) |
| 17:20.33 | Gwildor_ | Vasistha, hmm, long story...pm? |
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| 17:20.55 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: no, don't pm me, because I don't know how to solve your problem. |
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| 17:21.15 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: talk in-channel, so that if I ask you a couple questions, someone who knows what they're doing can pick up the thread and help you. |
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| 17:21.27 | Gwildor_ | Vasistha, long story short, i used vesa at install, switched to 'ati' (as i know it works, normally)... now this.. |
| 17:21.30 | Gwildor_ | ofcourse, np |
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| 17:22.37 | ekimus | hello, a bit OT i'm looking for a mid-ranged "work" station. it'll do a couple of xen instances chroots mail processing (spam detectio being most load intensive) and file print server and some development. Now i'd like a box that has hd hot swap capability (can sata do that) and preferably a 64bit processor. ebay is just my second choice so I'd welcome any hints to a few shops (located in europe if possible) |
| 17:22.37 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: so the problem appeared when you started using the ati driver? Why don't you pastebin your xorg.conf and xorg log ... also /msg dpkg drxx |
| 17:23.14 | xq | ekimus: does newegg.com or tigerdirect.com ship to europe? ;) |
| 17:23.16 | Vasistha | chemaja: boot a liveCD and chroot? :P |
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| 17:24.36 | Gwildor_ | Vasistha, good call, idk why i never think to re-configure. |
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| 17:24.40 | Gwildor_ | bah, thnx |
| 17:24.51 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: heh, sometimes all it takes is asking ;) |
| 17:25.45 | Gwildor_ | guess im jsut used to 'edit the config' :P |
| 17:25.46 | Gwildor_ | thank you ever so much :D |
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| 17:26.31 | Vasistha | Gwildor_: well, I hope that actually works ... we'll be here, if it keeps giving you trouble |
| 17:26.46 | moo | Wohoo! My internet doesn't work! So help me please. I got help in #madwifi to get my wlan to function. But now nothing works. i did "iwconfig ath0 essid "bla" key "bla"" and then i did "ifconfig ath0 up" and "ifconfig eth1 down" |
| 17:26.55 | moo | But it doesn't work :/ |
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| 17:27.50 | Gwildor_ | brb |
| 17:29.43 | Vasistha | moo: well, first of all, you might want to bring eth1 down before bringing ath0 up ... because if both are using dhcp, resolv.conf can get confused :P after bringing everything down, and then ath0 up, what does ifconfig say? |
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| 17:30.36 | moo | Vasistha, I'll check |
| 17:30.40 | moo | ifconfig |
| 17:30.44 | moo | ops |
| 17:30.44 | acehigh | sup everyone |
| 17:30.58 | Vasistha | moo: and... don't paste in-channel ;) |
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| 17:31.08 | Alarm | hello , does someone know where the nvidia conf file is |
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| 17:31.30 | Alarm | on a webpage its mentioned to edit this file: /etc/modules.d/nvidia , but there is no modules.d dir on my system |
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| 17:32.57 | moo | Vasistha, ehm.. It says nothing.. |
| 17:33.09 | moo | It doesn't show an IP or anything |
| 17:33.32 | moo | But there is a connection of some sort.. Cause the RX and TX bytes are going up |
| 17:34.37 | moo | Vasistha, the iwconfig also shows a connection of some sort. Cause i can se the Bitrate, Link quality Signal level and noice level |
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| 17:37.08 | subopt | xq: This is the line i already have in my sources.list: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch non-free". Is that not the right thing to have to get me the non-free stuff? |
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| 17:37.44 | Vasistha | moo: I've got to go, but ... the things you might want to pastebin and investigate, are: ifconfig -a; /etc/network/interfaces; and also I don't know if you're trying to connect via dhcp or static; you can try iwlist ath0 scan -- if you can scan for networks, then you're *almost* there... |
| 17:38.23 | Vasistha | subopt: you should have main contrib non-free on the same line, following 'etch' ... /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 17:38.49 | moo | Vasistha, I have no connection to the computer.. how can i paste something from it.. |
| 17:39.04 | moo | Write everything of is like.. pain XD |
| 17:39.10 | subopt | Vasistha: I found the problem: Synaptic won't bite on 'rar', but it found 'unrar' pretty wierd, eh? |
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| 17:40.20 | moo | Vasistha, If i do iwlist i see my Wlan AP. And it has got the same adress |
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| 17:40.31 | jaysonjc | users |
| 17:40.41 | moo | 00:18:f8:3c:11:c8 |
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| 17:42.10 | jaysonjc | help |
| 17:42.38 | Ronin | jaysonjc: with what |
| 17:42.41 | lipstick_ | any thoughts/comments/complaints on Intel's Celeron D? |
| 17:42.50 | moo | !ask |
| 17:42.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:43.10 | moo | @ jaysonjc |
| 17:43.11 | Heston | lipstick_, its a celeron |
| 17:43.19 | jaysonjc | I am very sorry guys. I just typed it without the slash. Sorry again |
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| 17:44.09 | Heston | lipstick_, they are basically p4's with less cache |
| 17:44.16 | lipstick_ | Heston, heh, as if I didn't guess that. Be more intelligent with your response |
| 17:44.35 | Heston | lipstick_, that was my complaint |
| 17:44.39 | Heston | not new information |
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| 17:45.54 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 17:46.00 | jaysonjc | I have just started on debian. Is there any way to enable color coding on ircII? |
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| 17:46.05 | alanhaggai | How do I update to KDE 3.5.6? |
| 17:46.09 | bbelt16ag | whats some good video editing software for linux? for making dvds |
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| 17:46.17 | bbelt16ag | apt-get update apt-get install kde? |
| 17:46.23 | jaysonjc | for example, to display all user ids in different color? |
| 17:46.52 | bonez39 | how does one discover the path to cdrom drive?I want to play a music disc, but can't find right path to load it |
| 17:47.11 | bbelt16ag | um |
| 17:47.17 | bbelt16ag | cat /etc/mtab |
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| 17:47.24 | bbelt16ag | will show you what is mounted |
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| 17:50.38 | mutantpineapple | just out of interest, how is the etch netinst iso 158mb? |
| 17:50.40 | Vasistha | subopt: it may be that synaptic was searching for a package name *starting* with "rar" |
| 17:50.50 | bbelt16ag | will show you what is mounted |
| 17:50.55 | bbelt16ag | whats some good video editing software for linux? for making dvds |
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| 17:51.01 | Vasistha | mutantpineapple: why shouldn't it be? Are you expecting something bigger or smaller? |
| 17:51.10 | bonez39 | bbelt16ag, what would these mean >>> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 |
| 17:51.28 | alleyoopster | bbelt16ag: avi > dvd = tovid is good |
| 17:51.31 | bonez39 | bbelt16ag, i am looking to find something like /dev/hdc or /dev/cdrom....or similar...to no avail.... |
| 17:51.55 | mutantpineapple | Vasistha: much smaller... surely all it needs is the bare essentials and network capabilities |
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| 17:52.47 | mutantpineapple | damn small linux crams the whole distro in 50mb |
| 17:52.56 | alleyoopster | bbelt16ag: for general editing avidemux or more complex cinerama |
| 17:52.57 | mutantpineapple | i'm not complaining, just wondering what is taking up that space |
| 17:52.59 | Vasistha | mutantpineapple: well, there's the business card cd. The 160 MB netinst contains a whole base system, which I find to be very useful -- if you don't have network capability, then the netinst can set up your base system with no network. |
| 17:53.06 | Heston | mutantpineapple, the netinstall iso is able to give you a base system without anything downloaded |
| 17:53.31 | Vasistha | mutantpineapple: sounds like you want the business card CD ... I think that's about 40 MB |
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| 17:54.16 | mutantpineapple | not really, i don't have a problem with 158mb, but i'm just a bit amazed |
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| 17:55.23 | Enverex | Does anyone here have any of the following installed? UT2004, Alien Swarm, Doom 3, Doom RoE and Quake 4? |
| 17:55.40 | Heston | mutantpineapple, not to mention it now includes a visual installer along with the original |
| 17:55.49 | lipstick_ | Enverex, I had d3 |
| 17:56.02 | Enverex | "have" not "had" heh |
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| 17:56.29 | lipstick_ | heh |
| 17:56.40 | lipstick_ | they become "had" when they get boring |
| 17:56.50 | valdyn | mutantpineapple: a complete kernel with drivers _alone_ is 16mb ( compressed ) |
| 17:57.10 | Vasistha | mutantpineapple: well, the debian "base" system contains a good amount of useful software. I don't know what all DSL has, but it probably doesn't have anywhere close to the internationalization support |
| 17:57.20 | Heston | Enverex, why dont you just ask a real question reguarding your problem, if any |
| 17:58.13 | moo | Please can someone help me get my internet up and running again? |
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| 17:58.29 | Enverex | Heston, That's probably a better idea... |
| 17:58.32 | roooottZZzz | can someone please tell me if this works |
| 17:58.35 | roooottZZzz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:58.46 | moo | I tried using WLan as i said. But it didn't work so now i want to go back to Ethernet cable |
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| 17:58.58 | valdyn | roooottZZzz: if what works? |
| 17:59.01 | Enverex | Does anyone here have any of the following installed? UT2004, Alien Swarm, Doom 3, Doom RoE and Quake 4? I need the .desktop files for running them that they install because I accidently deleted the folder before. |
| 17:59.02 | moo | Bt when i do eth1 up nothing happens |
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| 17:59.46 | valdyn | roooottZZzz: posting a wow screenshot and asking 'does that work' is silly, no? |
| 17:59.55 | cilkay | Hello. Is there something in Etch that enables one to configure Xorg without having to edit xorg.conf manually? |
| 18:00.06 | valdyn | !drxx cilkay |
| 18:00.06 | dpkg | cilkay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:00.07 | Vasistha | !tell cilkay -about drxx |
| 18:00.16 | Vasistha | oops |
| 18:00.24 | mutantpineapple | cilkay: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:00.32 | mutantpineapple | ah |
| 18:00.36 | mentor | moo: Use ifup/ifdown |
| 18:00.39 | mutantpineapple | redundancy :D |
| 18:00.46 | cilkay | OK, thanks folks. |
| 18:00.52 | moo | mentor, i did.. |
| 18:01.06 | mutantpineapple | moo: define "nothing"? |
| 18:01.07 | mentor | moo: Not ifconfig up/down |
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| 18:01.17 | moo | mentor, o_O |
| 18:01.18 | Heston | Enverex, you might be better off trying to restore that folder |
| 18:01.19 | moo | ok |
| 18:01.21 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 18:01.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:02.30 | Enverex | Heston, To do that you need to reinstall them, and that means downloading another 1GB or so of installers and going through all the DVDs and CDs again to install them... which as you can tell will take a while |
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| 18:03.05 | Heston | Enverex, no i mean restoring the folder from the harddrive |
| 18:03.07 | moo | ^^^ |
| 18:03.17 | moo | Thank you mentor for that short line |
| 18:03.17 | Heston | undeleting it essentially |
| 18:03.22 | Enverex | Heston, Oh, I was told that's not possible with ext3 |
| 18:03.37 | moo | Guess i have to deal with the wifi some other day |
| 18:03.40 | moo | poof* |
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| 18:04.00 | Heston | i dont see why it wouldnt be, though im not positive myself |
| 18:04.01 | earthian | hello, i have a panasonic NV-DS30 minidv video camera. I connect it to my computers ieee1394 port, however nothing happens. I can not capture video. gscanbus program shows that no camera is connected to my firewire ports. Can somebody help me fix this?? |
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| 18:04.48 | Vasistha | Enverex: well, it's awfully difficult. you can check out the sleuth kit, and/or magicrescue (I doubt the latter will help your particulr situation) ... I'd also suggest that you ask about these games in a more appropriate chan |
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| 18:05.29 | Vasistha | earthian: what does dmesg say when you plug in the camera? |
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| 18:05.45 | Enverex | Vasistha, Couldn't really think of a more appropriate channel |
| 18:05.47 | earthian | Vasistha, nothing :( |
| 18:06.00 | cilkay | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't seem to be appreciably better than modifying xorg.conf by hand. |
| 18:06.39 | mutantpineapple | cilkay: what's so complicated about it? |
| 18:06.44 | Vasistha | earthian: do other 1394 devices work? Does lspci list the 1394 interface? |
| 18:07.04 | earthian | yes lspci list the interfaces and i do not have other ieee1394 devices |
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| 18:07.24 | a-ki | /bye |
| 18:07.25 | earthian | maybe i need to press something on the camera to activate it? |
| 18:07.29 | earthian | :/ |
| 18:07.36 | earthian | i have it on and on playback |
| 18:07.47 | earthian | a movie is on the camera's lcd |
| 18:07.49 | earthian | playing ^ |
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| 18:08.46 | cilkay | mutantpineapple: doesn't really detect monitors. This is a monitor that should be easy to detect. I don't see how if I have look up specs and enter them in a curses UI, it is all that different than modifying xorg.conf by hand. |
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| 18:09.02 | cilkay | ... how it's any more convenient that is |
| 18:10.27 | earthian | cilkay, my lcd monitor is not detected at all too |
| 18:10.49 | earthian | monitor detection in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is total fuked |
| 18:11.03 | gravity | It's starting to get better |
| 18:11.04 | cilkay | I wonder if Knoppix would detect this? If it does, I can cheat and copy the xorg.conf file from Knoppix. |
| 18:11.18 | valdyn | cilkay: i dont know abouit you, but i would take more time to type 4 lines than to just look up and enter the values |
| 18:11.31 | mutantpineapple | what do you have against typing in the specs? |
| 18:11.55 | Vasistha | maybe that it's a pita and we feel we shouldn't have to? :P |
| 18:12.22 | cilkay | Because it's stupid and unnecessary. Monitors advertise their capabilities. Some distros are able to probe the monitors and figure out what the monitor is and its capabilities. |
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| 18:12.41 | Vasistha | monprobe |
| 18:12.43 | mutantpineapple | i would have thought booting up another distro and stealing its conf files is just as inconvenient as just typing in some numbers |
| 18:12.52 | zinx | cilkay: X.org will do that by itself |
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| 18:13.00 | peasset | hi, is there a plugin to read .cue audio files in xmms ??? |
| 18:13.04 | zinx | cilkay: you may have to explicitly enable it with some drivers, though |
| 18:13.10 | gravity | cilkay: That's what Debian uses. |
| 18:13.12 | gravity | Or should use |
| 18:13.13 | mne | hi, is anyone familiar with apache2 tomcat monitoring ? I've set up the apache tomcat status manager that can also show the complete status including detailed information such as the load times, rejected sessions etc. What i would like to have now is some webapp that shows this information over time (e.g. comparable to cacti or mrtg). is there such an application, what do you guys use ? |
| 18:13.26 | gravity | xresprobe asks the monitor for the DDC info. The results are used to generate xorg.conf |
| 18:13.39 | gravity | It's not optimal, but X.org can't really handle optimal just yet. It's being worked on. |
| 18:13.39 | Vasistha | peasset: google.com/linux cue xmms |
| 18:13.40 | cilkay | zinx: what about the Nvidia driver? |
| 18:14.05 | mutantpineapple | cilkay: nvidia or nv? |
| 18:14.09 | cilkay | nv |
| 18:14.18 | Gokee2 | Anyone know of a simple way to show the last n (about 500 or so) lines of a file and highlight every place "word" is said? |
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| 18:14.24 | zinx | cilkay: nvidia does it by default, i don't believe nv does however |
| 18:14.32 | valdyn | cilkay: run 'xresprobe nv' |
| 18:14.41 | cilkay | will do, thanks |
| 18:14.42 | gravity | Gokee2: tail -n 500 yourfile | grep --color word |
| 18:14.43 | Vasistha | peasset: hmm. although, unfortunately, I dunno if it's in debian :P |
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| 18:14.58 | earthian | Vasistha, so can you suggest me what to do with my camera? Googling for entire day did not help me :/ |
| 18:15.04 | Gokee2 | gravity, That takes out every line exept the line the word is on |
| 18:15.08 | Eulex | hah, this is one strange bug. anyone else having random lockups when playing SID files through xmms with the xmms-sid plugin? >_< |
| 18:15.11 | Gokee2 | I want to see all the lines |
| 18:15.12 | peasset | thx Vasistha, if i find smthg i'll tell you |
| 18:15.18 | cilkay | xresprobe wasn't installed. Installing now. |
| 18:15.20 | DawnLight | where is the log that writes reboots? |
| 18:15.29 | Eulex | (yes, this causes a hard lockup within minutes for me) |
| 18:15.50 | Vasistha | earthian: *I* don't know ... try asking again in a couple hours, perhaps then someone will be here who can help |
| 18:15.52 | zinx | cilkay: although, the X.org wiki does claim you don't need to specify anything if your monitor does DDC |
| 18:16.03 | gravity | oooh, good question |
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| 18:16.08 | zinx | cilkay: so just try leaving them out. |
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| 18:16.22 | zinx | cilkay: the sync ranges, that is |
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| 18:16.48 | Vasistha | Gokee2: you could use some combination of tail and grep --color, I suppose |
| 18:16.54 | gravity | Yeah, I don't know how to do that. |
| 18:17.20 | cilkay | zinx: if it supported DDC, "id" shouldn't be null, I presume. I see no id, but res is complete, but not freq |
| 18:17.38 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Right but grep chops out the lines that the "word" is not on |
| 18:17.44 | zinx | cilkay: what is "id"? and why would it be needed? |
| 18:18.07 | cilkay | zinx: I presume the manufacturer and model of the monitor. |
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| 18:18.26 | cilkay | How do I know it isn't just assuming this is a "generic" monitor? |
| 18:18.39 | zinx | cilkay: i see your problem |
| 18:18.51 | zinx | cilkay: you're assuming it's really complicated and you need to do something when you don't :) |
| 18:19.15 | zinx | cilkay: all you need is a monitor section as follows: Section "Monitor" Identifier "anything-you-want" EndSection |
| 18:19.33 | zinx | cilkay: and be sure the identifier is the one referred to in the Screen section |
| 18:19.39 | Vasistha | Gokee2: well, you could do some hack like grep -C 500 --color |
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| 18:20.06 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Hmm that could work |
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| 18:20.12 | bonez39 | if I have a process running in background, from console, how do I bring it forward, or see what processes are running? |
| 18:20.33 | Vasistha | Gokee2: combine it with tail to restrict it to the last 500 or whatever |
| 18:20.34 | wintix | fg |
| 18:20.39 | wintix | bonez39. |
| 18:20.44 | Gokee2 | Vasistha, Ya |
| 18:20.46 | zinx | cilkay: if you want to be sure it's not using some generic monitor (if it has the right resolution, it probably isn't), then check the logs. you may or may not need to start X with -logverbose 10 (startx -- -logverbose 10) for it to show DDC stuff in the logs |
| 18:20.53 | rahul | bonez39: jobs, fg, bg, are the commands involved |
| 18:21.01 | cilkay | zinx: ok, thanks. |
| 18:21.32 | rahul | bonez39: check the man page(s) of your shell for details if you want more complex stuff |
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| 18:21.57 | bonez39 | rahul, thanks.....it's dcd that is running...I don't see it with bg, fg or jobs or anything else... |
| 18:22.02 | cilkay | zinx: I know how xorg.conf is laid out. I've had to modify it by hand before but I'd rather not have to. I'm basing what I expect Debian to be able to do on the fact that other distros, e.g. Mandriva, can detect this monitor and present a GUI to configure Xorg. Let's not even mention Windows. |
| 18:22.17 | wintix | bonez39: do you see it with ps aux? |
| 18:22.19 | zinx | cilkay: you shouldn't need to modify it |
| 18:22.30 | rahul | bonez39: then you didn't run it in that shell. or it daemonized. |
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| 18:22.41 | zinx | cilkay: if the Monitor section doesn't have sync rates, it should be just fine and auto-detect them |
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| 18:23.02 | bonez39 | wintix, no, it doesn't show up with ps ax |
| 18:23.05 | zinx | cilkay: the Identifier has nothing to do with the monitor; it's a configuration file thing. |
| 18:23.11 | wintix | bonez39: then it's not running :) |
| 18:23.16 | bonez39 | wintix, no worry..... |
| 18:23.29 | xingu | Gokee2: how about something like ... sed -e 's/keyword/'`tput bold`keyword`tput sgr0`'/g' <myfile |
| 18:23.36 | cilkay | zinx: yes, I know. You can call it "Fred" and it will still work, as long as you refer to it as Fred throughout the conf file. |
| 18:23.44 | zinx | cilkay: correct |
| 18:24.16 | Gokee2 | xingu, Eh... I have never even heard of sed... |
| 18:24.54 | cilkay | zinx: Well, "should" and "do" are sometimes different. I am particularly sensitive to the vertical sweep rate being set low. I can detect flicker in white backgrounds and it bothers me. That's what set me off on this adventure. |
| 18:25.20 | rahul | cilkay: what resolution are you at? |
| 18:25.25 | Gokee2 | xingu, Hmmm can I make it take input from tail? |
| 18:25.32 | Vasistha | cilkay: ahh, have you tried xrandr to change refresh rates? |
| 18:25.44 | zinx | cilkay: if your resolution is > 1024x768, it's detected the sync rates from the monitor |
| 18:25.47 | cilkay | The KDE applet that enables one to change the resolution reports 1600x1200 @ 75Hz. I don't believe it. I suspect this is running at 60Hz. |
| 18:25.49 | Vasistha | Gokee2: just pipe it |
| 18:25.52 | xingu | Gokee2: tail -F somefile | sed -e 's/keyword/'`tput bold`keyword`tput sgr0`'/g' |
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| 18:26.11 | zinx | cilkay: if it says 75Hz, it's 75Hz |
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| 18:26.34 | Vasistha | cilkay: maybe try a lower res @ 85 Hz? |
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| 18:26.58 | zinx | cilkay: only exception is if you're using nVidia's proprietary drivers w/ twinview or dynamic twinview (enabled by default), and in that case they start at 50 or 51 and increase per mode number |
| 18:27.07 | Vasistha | cilkay: I find 75 Hz to be too flickery for me, to say nothing of 60 |
| 18:27.31 | zinx | cilkay: modern monitor phosphors are designed to fade faster than older ones, so they need a higher refresh rate |
| 18:27.58 | cilkay | zinx: this one isn't modern. It's a Hitache 803 - Sun monitor. |
| 18:28.17 | zinx | cilkay: regardless.. if it says 75Hz, it's 75Hz :) |
| 18:28.27 | cilkay | ok |
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| 18:28.59 | rahul | cilkay: what does the monitor say it's running at? |
| 18:29.04 | Gokee2 | That does not work.. I did "tail -n 300 FreeNode-#debian.log | sed -e 's/gokee/'`tput bold`gokee`tput sgr0`'/g'" and it found nothing... Does it not ignore caps? |
| 18:29.06 | rahul | I usually prefer 85Hz |
| 18:29.22 | Gokee2 | Ah if a caps it it works |
| 18:29.30 | rahul | but that's probably because of what zinx was saying... you don't get good brightness without 85Hz on the monitors I've used |
| 18:29.35 | Gokee2 | Can I make it ignore caps? |
| 18:29.46 | Vasistha | Gokee2: try s/.../.../gi |
| 18:30.01 | cilkay | rahul: 94kHz/75Hz - good catch - so it is running at 75Hz |
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| 18:30.21 | zinx | cilkay: also, by modern, i mean pretty much anything supporting DDC :/ |
| 18:30.23 | rahul | 75Hz imo, is borderline |
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| 18:30.44 | zinx | (i have some really old monitors...) |
| 18:30.51 | Vasistha | cilkay: does the monitor support 85 Hz? You'll probably be more comfortable there |
| 18:31.18 | xingu | Gokee2: here's the red hilight you wanted - tail -F ... | sed -e 's/e/'`tput setf 1`e`tput op`'/g' |
| 18:31.22 | cilkay | randr doesn't say so but then, the modelines may not be correct for this monitor, which is why I embarked on this |
| 18:31.40 | xingu | er |
| 18:31.45 | xingu | Gokee2: here's the red hilight you wanted - tail -F ... | sed -e 's/e/'`tput setf 4`e`tput op`'/g' |
| 18:31.46 | xingu | rather. |
| 18:31.47 | cilkay | The specs are: 31-115 Khz / 50-160 Hz |
| 18:32.15 | Vasistha | xingu: gi? |
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| 18:32.19 | xingu | that too. :) |
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| 18:32.31 | xingu | bloody shifting sands scope creep mumble mumble |
| 18:32.35 | bashologist | I heard on tv that having your swap on a seperate hdd would make it work better. What's the ideal swap setup? I also heard something but it was for windows I think -- it said set the minimum and maximum size of the swap. What's that? |
| 18:33.35 | Vasistha | bashologist: windows swap is stupid, it doesn't really apply. The maximum swap size will be the size of your swap partition. And if swap can be done in parallel on a different drive, then it will go faster. Hopefully you'll have enough memory that you won't need to swap anyway, though. |
| 18:33.47 | zinx | cilkay: it can do 1600x1200 at around 85Hz if the max bandwidth's >=250 |
| 18:34.35 | bashologist | Vasistha: Ok, thank you very much. |
| 18:34.48 | zinx | cilkay: X will get the modelines from the monitor too, though |
| 18:35.08 | zinx | cilkay: you may be able to see the monitor-provided modes with -logverbose 10 |
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| 18:35.09 | gravity | The X server will check your specified modelines against the DDC info |
| 18:35.17 | cilkay | zinx: ok, I'll play around with it. Thanks for the help. |
| 18:35.17 | SoulChild | hey all |
| 18:35.19 | zinx | gravity: that too |
| 18:35.37 | gravity | It won't let you use bad modelines by default |
| 18:35.41 | cilkay | gravity: and if they don't match? Which one "wins"? |
| 18:35.52 | cilkay | you answered before I asked :) |
| 18:35.57 | wintix | bashologist: rule if thumb: swap = 1.5 * ramsize. more than 2gb is propably overkill. if you have plenty ram you might not need swap. |
| 18:35.58 | gravity | cilkay: If you specify one in xorg.conf that the monitor doesn't report, it won't be used |
| 18:36.05 | SoulChild | can someone tell me, why my network-manager(nm-applet) disables all devices, and i can't see a symbol in gnome-taskbar??? PLEASE! |
| 18:36.14 | gravity | cilkay: Although you can override that with the UseDDC (or something similar, see the xorg.conf manpage since I don't remember) option |
| 18:36.18 | zinx | cilkay: if the monitor isn't providing a 1600x1200 85Hz mode, you can generate one with 'gtf' (search the web for it), otherwise you should be able to choose it with various mode-changing tools |
| 18:36.21 | wintix | bashologist: for additional info: /msg dpkg swap |
| 18:36.36 | Gokee2 | xingu, er... That changes the word to the 2nd e? |
| 18:36.41 | acehigh | anyone know what packages i have to install to view google videos? |
| 18:36.45 | acehigh | i.e. flash |
| 18:36.55 | xingu | Gokee2: yes sorry; so lets do... |
| 18:36.58 | SoulChild | acehigh: using firefox ? |
| 18:36.58 | Vasistha | SoulChild: debian hides devices controlled in /etc/network/interfaces from networkmanager. So if you want nm to work, you might try commenting out several lines in /etc/network/interfaces and restarting nm |
| 18:37.02 | gravity | acehigh: flashplugin-nonfree or something similar |
| 18:37.06 | acehigh | default browser |
| 18:37.11 | Gokee2 | xingu, Can it ignore case and give me the real word that was printed? |
| 18:37.17 | xingu | Gokee2: tail -F ... | sed -e 's/yourkeyword/'`tput setf 4`yourkeyword`tput op`'/gi' |
| 18:37.24 | acehigh | I install the flashplugin-nonfree but it still doesn't work |
| 18:37.26 | zinx | cilkay: note that that resolution is right at the edge of the monitor's capabilities, and may even exceed the bandwidth |
| 18:37.26 | mcmillen | xingu: thanks to your tip on "noaccel", i finally have my laptop in 800x600x16-bit. thank you! :) |
| 18:37.27 | SoulChild | Vasistha: i ll try... thank you |
| 18:37.33 | xingu | mcmillen: gneat |
| 18:37.40 | cilkay | zinx: noted, thanks |
| 18:37.47 | acehigh | !tell acehigh flash |
| 18:37.58 | Vasistha | xingu: sure, use & in the replacement text |
| 18:38.03 | gravity | acehigh: If the browser isn't finding the plugin, you may have to symlink the plugin to the browser's plugins directory so that it can find it |
| 18:38.08 | gravity | I haven't had to do that in ages |
| 18:38.14 | xingu | Vasistha: I was just experimenting with that ;) |
| 18:38.29 | Vasistha | xingu: hehe, I didn't experiment yet, I don't know if it will actually work ;) |
| 18:38.36 | xingu | Gokee2: tail -F ... | sed -e 's/yourkeyword/'`tput setf 4`'&'`tput op`'/gi' |
| 18:38.41 | acehigh | guess im install firefox :) |
| 18:38.46 | xingu | Vasistha: it does. ;) |
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| 18:39.39 | Gokee2 | xingu, Awsome! Thanks |
| 18:39.40 | acehigh | apiphany is what im using |
| 18:39.49 | acehigh | epiphany |
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| 18:43.40 | chemaja | yay for debian! |
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| 18:44.21 | SoulChild | Vasistha: hey... your advise... with network-manager didn't work,...if i type "sudo nm-manager in terminal" it works, but the autostart is: "nm-applet --sm-disable " but i see nothing, after reboot |
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| 18:45.03 | Vasistha | SoulChild: why did you reboot? was it working before you rebooted? |
| 18:45.23 | SoulChild | hmmm ... no i just works if i manually type "sudo nm-applet" |
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| 18:45.55 | SoulChild | Vasistha: hmmm ... no it just works if i manually type "sudo nm-applet" but after reinstall it doens't work |
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| 18:46.33 | xingu | SoulChild: I'm surprised it doesn't already have a menu that starts it with gksu |
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| 18:47.04 | SoulChild | xingu: that woul make things easier |
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| 18:47.22 | Vasistha | SoulChild: you might consider using the kde or gnome applet |
| 18:47.35 | SoulChild | Vasistha: i use the gnome applet |
| 18:47.37 | Vasistha | SoulChild: although I don't know that that will actually help anything work any better ;) |
| 18:47.56 | Vasistha | SoulChild: I'm not sure, but you might need to restart that gnome applet when making changes |
| 18:48.19 | SoulChild | Vasistha: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 18:48.35 | Vasistha | SoulChild: no, just quit it and restart it |
| 18:48.50 | SoulChild | Vasistha: but i dind't change anything ... |
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| 18:49.27 | SoulChild | Vasistha: the thing is: that nm is running in background, i just can't see the applet in the panel |
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| 18:50.14 | Pupeno | I have a GnuPG revocation certificate, how can I know for which key is it? |
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| 18:51.08 | Vasistha | SoulChild: right. so, did you comment out most of /etc/network/interfaces ? Did you kill the networkmanager process, and the dispatcher, and restart them? |
| 18:54.10 | Pupeno | Is there a Gnome torrent client similar to KDE's ktorrent? |
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| 18:56.04 | benkong2 | hello all |
| 18:56.32 | benkong2 | any one install ruby on rails in Debian Lenny? I need some help with an error. |
| 18:56.40 | benkong2 | I removed my source_cache in $HOME and /usr/lib/<blah><blah> still I get "Could not find rubygems-update (> 0) in any repository" |
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| 18:58.36 | stone_ | Hello.How to remove last text line in the file?? |
| 18:59.14 | Pupeno | stone_: you can use a text editor. |
| 18:59.14 | Vasistha | stone_: maybe sed '$d' |
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| 19:00.37 | stone_ | Pupeno: yes but i would like to do it for example by 'ed' but 'man ed' is too difficult for me:) |
| 19:01.38 | Pupeno | stone_: learning a text editor is not a matter of minutes... but years! If you have a GUI there I recommend you to use it. |
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| 19:02.22 | stone_ | Pupeno: recommend to use GUI.WHAT DO YOU MEAN? |
| 19:03.13 | Vasistha | stone_: *cough* you could try my suggestion |
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| 19:03.21 | Pupeno | stone_: a graphical program, like kwrite, kate, gedit, or even emacs in X11. |
| 19:03.45 | xingu | stone_: sed -ne 'x; p' <myfile |
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| 19:03.57 | stone_ | Pupeno: so for example 'gedit my_file '?? |
| 19:04.15 | krifur | yes |
| 19:04.31 | stone_ | xingu: what is 'x; p' ?? |
| 19:04.48 | Alarm | hello , does someone know where the nvidia conf file is |
| 19:04.49 | Alarm | on a webpage its mentioned to edit this file: /etc/modules.d/nvidia , but there is no modules.d dir on my system |
| 19:05.00 | Pupeno | stone_: yes. |
| 19:05.50 | Vasistha | xingu: that prepends an extra line on the top, though |
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| 19:07.00 | xingu | stone_: there's a manpage and a rather good book on it; read one of the two; it's a bit sloppy, that'll add a blank line at the start; the more correct approach is sed -e '$ d' <myfile |
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| 19:07.07 | xingu | Vasistha: spoildesport. |
| 19:07.16 | Vasistha | *snicker* |
| 19:08.23 | xingu | test, set, branch... what else do you need |
| 19:08.32 | Vasistha | xingu: for example, some guy implemented sokoban in sed... |
| 19:08.48 | xingu | Vasistha: some of the gnu utils can work on sockets transparently now. |
| 19:09.44 | Vasistha | yay gnu |
| 19:09.45 | xingu | Vasistha: magic files /inet/tcp/...; see the nawk manpage |
| 19:09.45 | Alarm | noone ? |
| 19:09.45 | xingu | not sure debian compiles that support in, but interesting anyway |
| 19:09.45 | Vasistha | !nvidia |
| 19:09.46 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 19:09.46 | Vasistha | that's all I know about nvidia |
| 19:10.19 | xingu | Alarm: "the nvidia conf" is a bit vague; what are you trying to set? |
| 19:10.35 | geidi | does : apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 suffic if uname -r yields 2.4.27-3-386? |
| 19:11.02 | geidi | (i want the source that matches installed kernel) |
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| 19:11.43 | vin` | geidi: yes |
| 19:12.12 | geidi | any idea what the -3-386 means? (specifically the -3) |
| 19:12.22 | xingu | oh dear god in heaven |
| 19:12.24 | xingu | ftp://www.javadevices.com/kcli/kcli-v1_0_0.patch |
| 19:12.27 | xingu | that is just *wrong* |
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| 19:12.47 | Alarm | xingu, this: options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 |
| 19:13.01 | jelly-home | xingu: embedded is fun |
| 19:13.41 | hark | xingu: did you figure out that xinerama thing then? |
| 19:13.44 | nvz | geidi: means that its the 3rd revision of the intel 80x386 package |
| 19:13.50 | shogunx | geidi that is the build number |
| 19:13.53 | xingu | Alarm: in that case you probably need /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia |
| 19:13.56 | vin` | geidi: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 19:14.07 | Alarm | xingu, there is no directory modprobe.d |
| 19:14.12 | xingu | hark: -ENOSOLUTION - bugged it against xserver-xorg-core |
| 19:14.25 | xingu | Alarm: how about /etc/modules.d ? |
| 19:14.26 | hark | heh |
| 19:14.30 | Alarm | sorry modules.d |
| 19:14.31 | nvz | geidi: means that particular package version had been built 3 different times |
| 19:14.50 | xingu | Alarm: do you have /etc/modprobe.d? check there first. |
| 19:14.52 | geidi | vin : thx for link |
| 19:14.59 | Alarm | it exists a directory modprobe.d but no nvidia in it |
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| 19:15.05 | Alarm | xingu, yes |
| 19:15.26 | xingu | Alarm: ... edit nvidia in there, I'm guessing you need something like options nvidia <yourparms> |
| 19:15.37 | xingu | that's a guess though |
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| 19:15.54 | robin_sz | anyone familar with maildrop? |
| 19:15.57 | Alarm | xingu, there is no nvidia in there , thats what i am saying :) |
| 19:16.17 | xingu | Alarm: create one then |
| 19:16.41 | Alarm | after that do i have to restart x or reboot so that the changes for nvidia will take effect ? |
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| 19:17.06 | Alarm | the only file that says about nvidia, is this: nvidia-kernel-nkc |
| 19:17.35 | robin_sz | I want to create a maildrop filter to sned anything from fax@localhost to a faxes sub-folder in my maildir |
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| 19:18.41 | robin_sz | shoudl I use a 'to Maildir/.Faxes/new' or just 'to Maildir/.Faxes' and courier will figure out the new bit by itself? |
| 19:19.01 | xingu | Alarm: edit that, add the options nvidia <youroptions> |
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| 19:20.04 | Alarm | thank you a lot |
| 19:20.07 | runa | can sb help using ssh to make a proxy? i wanto to make a proxy to host Z but i have to pass through host Y |
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| 19:23.13 | _mrbnet | I have changed the ip4 forwarding setting to a 1 in the sysctl.conf however on reboots it still doesn't automatically enable ip forwarding. Do I need to change something else? |
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| 19:25.01 | sep | _mrbnet, you set net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 ? check the proc value if it's 1 or 0 |
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| 19:26.45 | _mrbnet | the proc value is 0 after a reboot |
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| 19:27.17 | chemaja | it's 5:45am. do you think i can sleep? |
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| 19:27.27 | Gokee2 | Anyone know how I can open a .lgo file? (its a very old logo... from a 5.5 inch floppy) |
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| 19:28.43 | vin` | chemaja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep |
| 19:30.58 | chemaja | vin`, thanks. do you practice it? |
| 19:31.17 | vin` | chemaja: no |
| 19:31.47 | chemaja | it looks hardcore |
| 19:32.00 | chemaja | not sure if my boss would approve either :( |
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| 19:33.42 | xingu | well, that's interesting |
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| 19:34.17 | xingu | __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK seems to be a good idea so far |
| 19:34.38 | xingu | makes the beryl bits perceptably smoother |
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| 19:37.18 | jzxu | what's the best graphical bittorrent client for debian? |
| 19:37.40 | zinx | !tell jzxu about best |
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| 19:38.51 | vnm | !tell vmn avout best |
| 19:39.40 | vnm | lol |
| 19:39.54 | Enverex | This amd64 libjasper dependancy breakage is pissing me off, so much depends on it |
| 19:40.01 | jzxu | fine, can anyone recommend a graphical bittorrent client for debian? |
| 19:40.23 | centrx | azureus |
| 19:40.25 | centrx | just do |
| 19:40.27 | Eclipser | why graphical? why waste such resources on a bittorrent client which you could hide in screen |
| 19:40.28 | centrx | apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 19:40.45 | centrx | and try them out, there aren't that money |
| 19:40.45 | Enverex | Erm, is it possible to get Totem to play DVDs? |
| 19:40.49 | centrx | s/money/many |
| 19:40.54 | _mrbnet | sep: Does procps.sh need to be run at boot to set ip forwarding to 1? |
| 19:41.00 | centrx | no money involved either, for that matter |
| 19:41.08 | jzxu | Eclipser: because I like to see the progress of all my torrents at once |
| 19:41.20 | DawnLight | how do i list active processes? |
| 19:41.23 | Eclipser | jzxu, you can with a proper TUI client also! |
| 19:41.23 | centrx | jzxu try out the ones listed by: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 19:41.26 | centrx | DawnLight ps aux |
| 19:41.27 | Eclipser | jzxu, like rtorrent |
| 19:41.36 | centrx | DawnLight that will show all active processes on the machine |
| 19:41.55 | sep | _mrbnet, yes it's the one that does sysctl -p |
| 19:42.01 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 19:42.09 | jzxu | Eclipser: I'll take a look at rtorrent, thanks |
| 19:42.22 | _mrbnet | sep: this is in my sysctl.conf net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 19:42.30 | Eclipser | jzxu, it's not graphical though |
| 19:43.07 | jzxu | Eclipser: that's fine, I just want something that gives me a summary list of torrents |
| 19:43.19 | jzxu | unlike the official python client |
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| 19:43.31 | knubbze | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.43 | knubbze | recommended does not mean the-simple-way-stopped-working |
| 19:43.44 | knubbze | does it? :) |
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| 19:44.08 | vin` | knubbze: why don't you read the release notes and find out? ;) |
| 19:44.09 | blue|palm | Is there a linux application that allows: pause/resume/fixing/speed limiting etc when copying files from drive to drive |
| 19:44.16 | Eclipser | jzxu, rtorrent is really cool after you make it start torrents automatically from some directory... you can just save the .torrent file to that place and not worry about it |
| 19:44.29 | knubbze | vin` gud idea. |
| 19:44.31 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to scroll the buffer in screen? |
| 19:45.09 | vin` | DawnLight: ^a ESC |
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| 19:45.30 | jzxu | Eclipser: yeah, it seems pretty cool so far, hopefully it has individual torrent rate caps |
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| 19:46.08 | Eclipser | jzxu, no idea, I haven't needed such thing:) |
| 19:46.15 | struct | anyone know of a way to download a package and all its dependancies with aptitude/apt-get |
| 19:46.19 | struct | ? |
| 19:46.47 | Ankman | anybody has sarge and aptitude? |
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| 19:47.11 | knubbze | Ankman, huh? |
| 19:47.21 | Ankman | well i cannot install aptitude |
| 19:47.29 | Ankman | "Broken package" |
| 19:47.33 | xingu | blue|palm: rsync |
| 19:47.52 | knubbze | doesn't aptitude come with the system? |
| 19:47.53 | alanhaggai | I tried installing f-prot. But it didn't get installed. Now whenever I use apt-get to install anyother package, f-prot installer ins being called. What to do? |
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| 19:48.59 | Ankman | not sure |
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| 19:49.06 | a1fa | ~unstable |
| 19:49.22 | apt | from memory, unstable is http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
| 19:49.33 | Ankman | knubbze: have dselect, even removed apt and reinstall all manually by dpkg |
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| 19:50.05 | xingu | blue|palm: rsync -aHPS --delete --force --partial --numeric-ids --bwlimit=KB/s source dest |
| 19:50.08 | EvilDin | hi, why in my exim4 mainlog i have those errors: http://rafb.net/p/8WeYrU48.html |
| 19:50.12 | EvilDin | please help |
| 19:50.17 | Ankman | Thms: wow, Amiens? been there in 2003 |
| 19:50.23 | blue|palm | xingu, wow thanks loads |
| 19:50.26 | xingu | blue|palm: just ^c to stop, re-run the command to start. |
| 19:50.34 | Thms | Ankman: yes :D |
| 19:50.39 | blue|palm | xingu, thats exactly what I needed... |
| 19:50.47 | Ankman | got drunk in a brasserie there :-) |
| 19:50.55 | xingu | blue|palm: hopefully the bwlimit works for disk-to-disk; haven't tested that bit myself. |
| 19:51.05 | a1fa | ~kernel |
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| 19:51.20 | a1fa | what is the newest kernel offered with unstable? 2.6.18-6? |
| 19:51.25 | blue|palm | xingu, do you know anything about programming? |
| 19:51.39 | a1fa | ~linux-image |
| 19:51.52 | ferret | !flash |
| 19:51.52 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:51.55 | ferret | Hrmmm. |
| 19:52.02 | xingu | blue|palm: I try to neutralise anything I do pick up by pickling it with surgical strength alchohol |
| 19:52.05 | a1fa | this is crap :( |
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| 19:52.17 | blue|palm | xingu, lol |
| 19:52.57 | a1fa | my cdc_acm module cant recognise my usb phone |
| 19:53.09 | a1fa | sucker |
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| 19:53.15 | xingu | blue|palm: nb that command line will blow away anything on dest that's not on source... |
| 19:53.23 | xingu | blue|palm: so be a bit careful ok. :) |
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| 19:53.31 | blue|palm | I figured that :) |
| 19:53.43 | blue|palm | Im testing it out right now |
| 19:53.55 | slyboots | Hi, Im having some problems getting Java to work on my Debian box, I've asked dpkg about it but I still cant get the package to install |
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| 19:54.08 | bilsta | hi is their a way to restrict the ammount of connection on every IP that's going to a certain location ? |
| 19:54.20 | slyboots | Added non-free to my package list in /apt/sources and ran apt-get install sun-java5-jre |
| 19:54.32 | slyboots | But I get a dependancy error on ia32-sun-java-bin |
| 19:54.52 | slyboots | And sun-java-bin |
| 19:54.54 | blue|palm | I want to write a program that would replace gnome's copy dialogue. It would have options to limit speed, pause, resume and recover from errors etc. I just came over from windows and I am a programmer so I first needed to figure out if it was possible... |
| 19:55.17 | blue|palm | or if I had to write those low-level things myself |
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| 19:55.31 | blue|palm | but thanks xingu, you have helped alot :) |
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| 19:55.33 | Vasistha | blue|palm: probably better to ask in #gnome |
| 19:55.47 | blue|palm | Vasistha, the channel is pretty much dead right now |
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| 19:56.04 | vin` | blue|palm: try irc.gnome.org |
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| 19:56.12 | blue|palm | vin`, thanks |
| 19:56.24 | Vasistha | blue|palm: for development stuff, the mailing lists are probably your best bet, anyway |
| 19:56.52 | blue|palm | Vasistha, true - but I hate mailing lists personally. |
| 19:57.12 | Vasistha | blue|palm: me too... I've learned to cope with them when necessary :P |
| 19:57.19 | blue|palm | Vasistha, hehe |
| 19:57.23 | karsten | blue|palm: you don't have to take them personally. |
| 19:57.34 | blue|palm | karsten, haha |
| 19:57.48 | blue|palm | karsten, I do when I have to manage additional e-mail addresses just for them |
| 19:58.22 | EvilDin | please help me what can i do: http://rafb.net/p/isO71q59.html |
| 19:58.26 | blue|palm | karsten, but thanks for picking up the grammatical error :) |
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| 20:00.22 | xingu | blue|palm: nb; for that use-case, librsync1/ librsync-dev may be a better idea |
| 20:00.51 | DawnLight | how do i build this?: http://www.cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de/aircrack-ptw/download/aircrack-ptw-1.0.0.tar.gz |
| 20:01.03 | Vasistha | EvilDin: maybe try a -f (for fix) command with apt-get, or something ... or a --reinstall |
| 20:01.15 | blue|palm | xingu, yeah, thats why I had to find out if someone had written the stuff already. As I said, you have helped LOADS |
| 20:01.17 | slyboots | ffs, and I cant get flash to wirht either |
| 20:01.17 | wintix | DawnLight: read it's readme :) |
| 20:01.32 | knubbze | this confuses me |
| 20:01.32 | slyboots | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 20:01.39 | knubbze | the release notes recommend aptitude as well |
| 20:01.42 | Wyzard | slyboots: It's in non-free |
| 20:01.55 | slyboots | I have non-free in my apt.sources |
| 20:02.17 | Wyzard | Are you running i386 or amd64? |
| 20:02.17 | slyboots | `deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 20:02.20 | slyboots | ppc |
| 20:02.21 | Vasistha | slyboots: have you done apt-get update? |
| 20:02.38 | slyboots | Vasistha, Yup |
| 20:02.40 | Vasistha | slyboots: I have a feeling that you should not be running testing |
| 20:02.57 | Vasistha | slyboots: oh well, probably do late for that, now |
| 20:02.58 | Wyzard | slyboots: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 20:03.06 | Wyzard | slyboots: flashplugin-nonfree is only available on i386 |
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| 20:03.20 | slyboots | Ahh, is there any ppc alternative? |
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| 20:03.33 | Wyzard | You can use a free clone such as gnash |
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| 20:03.43 | Wyzard | but there's nothing that really works as well as Adobe's implementation |
| 20:03.51 | slyboots | ffs.. |
| 20:03.55 | EvilDin | how can i fix package if it is broken ? |
| 20:04.02 | enouf | struct: this is a real ugly hack , and will need some adjustment; |
| 20:04.03 | enouf | ~$ sudo apt-get -d -s install apmd `apt-cache depends apmd | cut -d" " -f4-5 | sed 's/<debconf-2.0>//'` |
| 20:04.16 | Whisper | i get this when installing psybnc, SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile, ive apt-getted open ssl and ssllibs and some stuffs but i still cant get it to work, anyone got any idea what i migt be missing? |
| 20:04.20 | enouf | struct: likely a much easier way too ;-) |
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| 20:04.32 | enouf | struct: er 'there is ... ' |
| 20:04.36 | Vasistha | EvilDin: man apt-get and man aptitude both show instructions for using the -f fix flag |
| 20:05.29 | bugster | how do i set the scrollback count of terminal consoles ? |
| 20:06.01 | DawnLight | when i'm trying to build it yells: aircrack-ptw.c:5:18: error: pcap.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:06.15 | wintix | DawnLight: get the build dependencies. |
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| 20:06.42 | enouf | bugster: see framebuffer stuffs |
| 20:07.03 | xingu | bugster: specifically, fbcon=scrollback: kernel boot argument |
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| 20:07.27 | enouf | EvilDin: --fix-broken (man apt-get, man aptitude) IINM |
| 20:07.52 | EvilDin | but how then, nothing happen apt-get --fix-broken exim4-config |
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| 20:08.13 | Whisper | i get this when installing psybnc, SSL-Support: Yes, but no openssl binary found in "/usr/lib/ssl/".Creating Makefile, ive apt-getted open ssl and ssllibs and some stuffs but i still cant get it to work, anyone got any idea what i migt be missing? |
| 20:08.36 | DawnLight | wintix: how do i know what they are? |
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| 20:09.13 | enouf | EvilDin: read the man pages .. but also look at apt-get install --reinstall <pkgname> |
| 20:09.32 | wintix | DawnLight: read the documentation. or maybe just 'apt-get search pcap' to get some hint on what to install for the pcap-not-there-yell. |
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| 20:10.02 | wintix | DawnLight: aircrack-ptw has nothing to do with debian hence we can't support it here. |
| 20:10.15 | DawnLight | wintix: there are some pcaps in the repos. its about packet capture. |
| 20:10.23 | Vasistha | DawnLight: in some cases, you can also apt-get build-dep ... but for a package that's not in debian, it's not that simple |
| 20:10.26 | wintix | DawnLight: get some -dev package |
| 20:10.34 | bzed | Whisper: apt-get install libssl-dev ? |
| 20:10.40 | Wyzard | DawnLight: libpcap-dev |
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| 20:10.45 | Whisper | bzed alredy did... |
| 20:10.50 | EvilDin | am is it possible that aptitude find out that 78 packages are unused and can be removed ? |
| 20:11.01 | bzed | Whisper: you wanna use /usr as path for the ssl lib |
| 20:11.04 | DawnLight | thanks Wyzard |
| 20:11.10 | enouf | DawnLight: apt-cache depends pkgname, but you likely need build-depends as mentioned |
| 20:11.15 | Whisper | bzed yeah /usr/lib/ssl |
| 20:11.21 | bzed | Whisper: no, /usr |
| 20:11.33 | Whisper | in psybnc? |
| 20:11.36 | bzed | yes] |
| 20:12.23 | robin_sz | ummm ... where has vpopmail gone? |
| 20:12.34 | Whisper | bzed in the config then run make again? |
| 20:12.35 | robin_sz | hello? |
| 20:12.50 | enouf | oi |
| 20:12.53 | bzed | Whisper: yes |
| 20:12.56 | robin_sz | OK, why does apt-cache search vpopmail not be finding it eh? |
| 20:13.06 | Whisper | bzed i will try that, sec |
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| 20:13.47 | Whisper | bzed, youre the fucking man!! :) |
| 20:13.48 | Whisper | thanks |
| 20:14.00 | DawnLight | okat i've got it built. now i have a binary. can i install it with dpkg somehow? |
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| 20:14.16 | bzed | Whisper: np :) |
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| 20:14.29 | enouf | php-auth - PHP PEAR modules for creating an authentication system <-- all i get back is that on sid robin_sz |
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| 20:15.10 | ma3x | this is bullshit, I just launched fgl_glxgears and it disabled my mouse and keyboard |
| 20:15.12 | ma3x | how come? |
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| 20:15.30 | robin_sz | enouf, yeah .. I'm sure I used to have a lots more than that ... |
| 20:15.30 | ma3x | and before that I tried to suspend the computer and I couldn't turn it on anymore untill I removed one of the rams |
| 20:15.38 | Dave_is_sex1 | don't suppose we have any povray users online? |
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| 20:16.14 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: I'm familiar with it but haven't used it in a few years |
| 20:16.14 | uttara | I have installed the base-system. Now I would like to install Gnome desktop. Can anybody tell me what I should do to install Gnome? |
| 20:16.33 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: I've been meaning to take a look at yafray, too |
| 20:16.47 | enouf | robin_sz: http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vpopmail.html |
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| 20:17.05 | DawnLight | uttara: learn to use aptitude and use it to install xorg and gnome |
| 20:17.30 | robin_sz | enouf, argh. any clues as to why? |
| 20:17.31 | enouf | uttara: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 20:18.08 | enouf | robin_sz: you'll have to visit the maintainers pages (source pkg), view the changelogs, and also check the BTS |
| 20:18.10 | uttara | DawnLight: I have used to aptitude before. I wanted to know what "lines" I need to add to /etc/sources.list |
| 20:18.26 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 20:18.33 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 20:18.34 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors>, /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list. also see <etch security> |
| 20:18.35 | Dave_is_sex1 | wyzard: hey. well i'm looking at repacing max with something either free or cheaper. I don't have my own max licence and have no intention of buying that over a ferrari ;) I'm finding it difficult to find applications by catagory that use povray. I'm hoping to find a povray based rendering package which can inport models as vrml |
| 20:19.07 | DawnLight | uttara, there's a mirror list somewhere in debian.org i think. look it up in the wiki |
| 20:19.15 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: povray is just a renderer, not a modeler... it takes input in a text-based scene language |
| 20:19.17 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 20:19.18 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:19.21 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: If you want a modeler, take a look at blender |
| 20:19.22 | uttara | DawnLight: thanks |
| 20:19.39 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: (and yafray seems to be a popular choice for rendering things made in blender) |
| 20:19.40 | enouf | uttara: see the last couple of messages from dpkg |
| 20:19.46 | uttara | dpkg: I am running etch |
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| 20:20.25 | DawnLight | uttara: dpkg is a bot. enouf called it |
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| 20:20.30 | enouf | !tell uttara about selftell |
| 20:21.53 | Dave_is_sex1 | wyzard: yes i've used blender before. it doesn't quite work as i am used to working, so I am happy sticking with my current cad program. is yafray a povray based rendering package then, or a different technology? |
| 20:21.53 | enouf | uttara: you simply type into your irc client /msg dpkg <keyword> |
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| 20:21.54 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 20:21.54 | Ace2016 | whats the latest debian sid kernel? |
| 20:21.54 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: yafray is similar to povray in the sense that it uses a text-based scene language for input, but it's a different language -- XML-based, I think |
| 20:21.54 | Dave_is_sex1 | xingu: LOL |
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| 20:22.01 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: so whatever CAD or modeling tool you use, you want to find a way for it to output in povray or yafray scene format |
| 20:22.09 | Ace2016 | anyone running debian sid? |
| 20:22.16 | x_link | Does anybody know which kernel I have to use to be ablet o use lm-sensors? |
| 20:22.18 | DawnLight | can i make a deb package? i have a binary file that i would like to install |
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| 20:22.29 | Wyzard | Ace2016: 2.6.18 is the default in sid, and 2.6.20 is packaged and available |
| 20:22.52 | Dave_is_sex1 | wyzard: i see. yeah i just want to export my model, then import it and send some rays around. Something kinda like Alias Image Studio 2 would be perfect |
| 20:22.54 | Gryfelhase | When I want to compile the zd1211 source (wlan-usb-dongle) there comes the errors: "no rule to create modules, End" (translated back from german) |
| 20:23.04 | Ace2016 | Wyzard: thanks, why the difference between the default and the latest? |
| 20:23.07 | Gryfelhase | What's mssing? |
| 20:23.12 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: I'm not familiar with that program, sorry |
| 20:24.04 | Wyzard | Ace2016: dunno, 2.6.20 went in after etch was released but the metapackages haven't yet been updated to depend on it instead of 2.6.18 |
| 20:24.04 | x_link | Wyzard: I just saw that you said that 2.6.20 is avaliable. I use 2.6.18-4-k7 right now. Should I get 2.6.20-4-k7 then or what? |
| 20:24.04 | Dave_is_sex1 | wyzard: it is excellent ;) but sadly bought by autodesk :( |
| 20:26.08 | enouf | sounds like the oil cartel .. |
| 20:26.08 | Wyzard | x_link: If you want, sure, but unless there's something that's been added or fixed in 2.6.20 that you need, you might as well just wait until the default changes |
| 20:26.09 | struct | x_link: actually 2.6.21.1 is out as well |
| 20:26.10 | xingu | Dave_is_sex1: the foss world is mostly centering around blender these days it seems; so it's probably blender or bust with respect to modelling, and, also with respect to workflow; because folk use blender as the modeller, the renderers tend to be adapted to work with it too. |
| 20:26.10 | x_link | struct: Okej. |
| 20:26.10 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: What I mean is, I don't know what that program does or how "something kinda like" it would help you |
| 20:26.11 | x_link | Should I change my kernel or should I stick with this one? |
| 20:26.11 | Ace2016 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 20:26.11 | x_link | I don't know much about kernels. |
| 20:26.11 | Wyzard | Dave_is_sex1: It sounds to me like you just need a povray or yafray export plugin for whatever modeler you use |
| 20:26.11 | robin_sz | enouf, seems it became buggy and out of date ... but Ubuntu has a package, would I suffer much from trying to install an Ubuntu .deb? |
| 20:26.13 | struct | x_link: stick with debian kernel |
| 20:26.14 | struct | x_link: the 2.6.18 is good |
| 20:26.14 | xingu | Dave_is_sex1: so basically your choice is - cough for the tools you're used to - or - learn a blender-centric toolchain - or - write some connecting glue yourself |
| 20:26.15 | struct | x_link: stick with it until you know more about kernels |
| 20:26.15 | enouf | robin_sz: i can't recommend it ;-O |
| 20:26.15 | Wyzard | robin_sz: That may work in some cases but it's not supported and not recommended |
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| 20:26.33 | robin_sz | enouf, so better to just go direct from the source and do a ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| 20:26.33 | bugster | there's no fbcon on this kernel, what are you talking about ? |
| 20:26.35 | bugster | is fbcon builtin ? |
| 20:26.44 | x_link | struct: Stick with my 2.6.18-4-k7 you mean? |
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| 20:26.58 | enouf | robin_sz: well sure, but find out why it was pulled, also it's no longer maintained you may open yourself up to real security threats/risks |
| 20:26.59 | Dave_is_sex1 | xingu: no not at all. that's why we have open cad standards. step, iges and vrml should all suffice. i can (or should be able to) model in pro/engineer and import that into X for rendering. X is currently max or alias |
| 20:27.33 | enouf | egrep -i 'vga|vesa' /boot/config-$(uname -r) benje |
| 20:27.36 | enouf | er bugster |
| 20:27.54 | xingu | Dave_is_sex1: hah. |
| 20:28.14 | Thms | how can i list the userlist of my debian system ? |
| 20:28.14 | xingu | Dave_is_sex1: I'll see you "open standards" and raise you "my first employer used to sell these suites" |
| 20:28.24 | struct | x_link: yeah |
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| 20:28.41 | Dave_is_sex1 | xingu: vrml is open |
| 20:28.52 | ipso | When I run "dpkg -l" I have a bunch of packages with status "rc", but it seems the packages aren't actually installed, how do I clean those up? |
| 20:28.56 | Dave_is_sex1 | xingu: step and iges are text based |
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| 20:29.07 | [sr] | hi guys :) |
| 20:29.08 | x_link | struct: Okej. |
| 20:29.12 | Dave_is_sex1 | hello |
| 20:29.17 | keith80403 | I've downloaded the Etch CD's, will these work on an AMD Athlon 64 bit processor? I've installed Etch on a couple of older PC's and want to know if the install CD will work on the AMD? |
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| 20:29.37 | x_link | struct: Cause lm-sensors doesn't seem to work with my kernel. So I want something that shows the temp, that is reliable. |
| 20:30.07 | struct | x_link: you can learn more about kernels http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html |
| 20:30.19 | Wyzard | keith80403: You can install either i386 or amd64 Debian on that processor |
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| 20:30.27 | struct | x_link: you need to load the module for your sensors hardware |
| 20:30.37 | struct | x_link: then sensors will report the temp |
| 20:30.38 | DawnLight | does lm-sensors require some module to be built specifically for the chipset? |
| 20:30.43 | aredhel | Thms, "cat /etc/passwd" works, if your running gnome on etch desktop->admin->users and groups works too. |
| 20:30.48 | struct | x_link: there are also some gui programs to report your temps etc... |
| 20:30.51 | x_link | struct: k8temp is that, but it doesn't work with my kernel. A guy once tried to help me. |
| 20:31.01 | x_link | struct: I don't know any GUI programs. |
| 20:31.04 | keith80403 | Wyzard, Ok thanks a lot - are all of the CD's different between 32/64 bit or only the installer? |
| 20:31.11 | DawnLight | i've been wanting to get temp/fan sensors to work for some time |
| 20:31.18 | Wyzard | keith80403: All the CDs |
| 20:31.32 | Wyzard | keith80403: But you don't need to download them all |
| 20:31.49 | keith80403 | Wyzard, Right, I can get the install and download what I need - thanks for the info. |
| 20:31.53 | enouf | ipso: could use deborphan and debfoster, or just let aptitude do it |
| 20:31.56 | Wyzard | keith80403: If you have an Internet connection available while installing, you only need the first CD, or the much-smaller netinst CD |
| 20:32.02 | CharminTheMoose | hey enouf!!! |
| 20:32.06 | struct | x_link: just do a search for cpu temperature programs |
| 20:32.10 | struct | x_link: there are quite a few |
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| 20:32.28 | x_link | struct: Okej. Thanks alot! |
| 20:32.37 | enouf | ipso: could also try dpkg -P <package> man dpkg |
| 20:32.40 | keith80403 | Wyzard, Can I use the i386 install CD on the 64 bit or do I need the 64 bit install CD ? |
| 20:32.48 | NsOmNiAc | can anyone point me to a guide for installing a second drive to use under samba which hasn't been recognized yet ? |
| 20:32.55 | ipso | enouf: thanks |
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| 20:33.06 | NsOmNiAc | it's installed and recognized I need to format it and mount it |
| 20:33.07 | enouf | x_link: conky was one of those gui applets |
| 20:33.17 | DawnLight | x-link: this looks promising: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/iwizard/1 |
| 20:33.27 | Wyzard | keith80403: You need the amd64 CD if you want to install 64-bit Debian, but you can install 32-bit Debian with the i386 CD |
| 20:33.27 | x_link | A found a really NICE one now, but it's an .exe file =/ |
| 20:33.35 | x_link | DawnLight: Thanks! |
| 20:33.36 | NsOmNiAc | then setup samba |
| 20:33.47 | x_link | Me? |
| 20:33.59 | keith80403 | Wyzard, Alright, that clears up my questions - thanks for answering. |
| 20:34.01 | Wyzard | keith80403: AMD64 and Intel 64 processors have all the same 32-bit functionality their non-64-bit predecessors do, and can run 32-bit operating systems just fine |
| 20:34.23 | NsOmNiAc | the BIOS sees it but if I try and use cfdisk it doesn't see the second drive |
| 20:34.39 | enouf | keith80403: just stay away for the ia64 ARCH ..lol |
| 20:34.46 | keith80403 | Wyzard, Very good - this is a blowout PC and comes with Vista - so I'm going to upgrade to Debian (-: (-: |
| 20:34.47 | x_link | DawnLight: Should I download lm-sensors first then do what that site says? |
| 20:34.53 | keith80403 | enouf, I'll do that ! |
| 20:36.06 | alleyoopster | enouf: why is that? |
| 20:36.13 | enouf | struct: fwiw .. a /msg dpkg apt howto should help in your earlier question (the manual IIRC, has some nice examples, plus you can install it if you like) |
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| 20:36.30 | enouf | !tell alleyoopster about ia64 |
| 20:37.17 | enouf | alleyoopster: basically , ia64 is ITanium only, and is nothing like x86_64/AMD64 |
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| 20:37.28 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. when installing debian, i installed the mailserver packages, but now i want to install some other deamon, software etc and want to remove all mailserver packages that are already installed.. can someone tell me wich packages the mailserver packages inculde or how can i in 1 click uninstall all of them? |
| 20:38.43 | fuzzy_logic | anyone help plz???? |
| 20:38.53 | jelly-home | fuzzy_logic: what do you mean by mailserver? SMTP server or something else? |
| 20:39.02 | streuner | fuzzy_logic: installing another MTA will remove any other MTA which is installed.. |
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| 20:39.48 | runa | iceape does not work with youtube eventhough i have installed the last flashplayer |
| 20:39.49 | fuzzy_logic | jelly-home: when installing debian, i could choose what packages i would like to install, and i chose mailserver packages |
| 20:40.04 | runa | what should i do |
| 20:40.06 | runa | ? |
| 20:40.21 | struct | enouf: my problem is that I already have a lot of the dependancies installed but I want copies of them to put on a cd to take to a LUG where I will not have good internet connection |
| 20:40.36 | struct | enouf: that way I can install what I need without internet |
| 20:40.41 | fuzzy_logic | streuner: so if i follow this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 it will uninstall everything i installed for mail stuff so far? |
| 20:40.46 | struct | enouf: I already solved the problem however |
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| 20:40.51 | alleyoopster | enouf: interesting reading |
| 20:41.02 | enouf | NsOmNiAc: tried udevtrigger? or restarting it? maybe just touch <somefile> |
| 20:41.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know of a list of proxies by country, or of a proxy in Australia? There's a TV show there I want to download, but they only allow downloads from austrailan IPs. |
| 20:41.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Australian* |
| 20:41.37 | enouf | struct: very nice .. |
| 20:41.37 | Gryfelhase | I've a problem with make.... it can't find a rule to make a kernel-modul, as it seems |
| 20:41.44 | NsOmNiAc | one sec enouf thanks for the response |
| 20:41.50 | Gryfelhase | can someone lead me to the right path? |
| 20:42.22 | fuzzy_logic | streuner: right? |
| 20:42.26 | NsOmNiAc | enouf: I'm using a 20 gig for the base system and the 500 gig for the file server it's going to be a file server only |
| 20:42.39 | NsOmNiAc | if I use fdisk -l is shows the drive |
| 20:42.39 | enouf | NsOmNiAc: IINM, fdisk and cfdisk say they require a restart, but i forgert, i always do when doin something like that thoggh |
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| 20:43.11 | NsOmNiAc | I have done this before but forgot |
| 20:43.11 | enouf | NsOmNiAc: well .. make your partitions ;-) |
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| 20:44.22 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't know of one ... and it might be very difficult: australia is very poorly connected |
| 20:44.23 | x_link | enouf: Would you like to help me install lm-sensors in PM? |
| 20:44.55 | NsOmNiAc | enouf: thanks |
| 20:45.05 | enouf | x_link: i would, but i know not how exactly |
| 20:45.55 | Vasistha | Dark_Apostrophe: I have a friend who has gone to Australia to do a graduate school program, and even as a student there, she has a bandwidth quota and has to pay the university for every megabyte that she exceeds her quota ... the country's just not well-connected. That's probably why they're restricting IP's in the first place |
| 20:45.56 | DawnLight | can i tell kde to reboot from console? |
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| 20:46.21 | enouf | x_link: installing software ids something you get better at the more you do it .. and if apt-get install <pkg> isn't easy enough, i don't know what is ;-) |
| 20:46.23 | x_link | enouf: Okej, thanks anyway. |
| 20:46.40 | x_link | enouf: Alot of settings that has to be done. |
| 20:46.49 | enouf | DawnLight: explain more |
| 20:47.30 | Vasistha | DawnLight: hmm, I dunno if this might work: dcop kwin MainApplication-Interface quit |
| 20:47.36 | enouf | DawnLight: if you issue a /etc/init.d/{x,g,k}dm restart in an xterm or console, it'll restart |
| 20:47.47 | Vasistha | DawnLight: it's a better question for #kde anyway :P |
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| 20:47.54 | DawnLight | i am logged in remotely to a box using ssh. i want to reboot that box but it is running kde and i want kde to shut down properly |
| 20:48.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: I know that |
| 20:48.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vasistha: But the website of this TV show only allows it to be downloaded from aussie IPs |
| 20:48.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | The alternative for me is BitTorrent, and not all episodes are there |
| 20:49.02 | enouf | shutdown -r should do fine .. it should run the initscripts necessary .. |
| 20:49.11 | DawnLight | typing reboot would just kill it i think |
| 20:49.23 | valdyn | DawnLight: im not sure if stopping kdm will do that, killing kdeinit ( and whatever kde processes ) should work fine |
| 20:49.40 | valdyn | DawnLight: there's no 'jsut' kill |
| 20:50.08 | valdyn | DawnLight: kill -9 is what you dont want |
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| 20:50.54 | jelly-home | DawnLight: I'd do pkill -HUP kdeinit and hope for the best :-) |
| 20:51.00 | enouf | kdesu should give you root to kde, and kcmshell is a usual prefix into starting applets, so ... follow up there |
| 20:51.08 | valdyn | !kill |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | !kill -9 |
| 20:51.14 | valdyn | mm |
| 20:51.23 | enouf | go 15 then 2 then 9 if necessary ;-) |
| 20:51.25 | DawnLight | i can vnc the box but it would be more comfortable to do it cli |
| 20:51.33 | jelly-home | valdyn: you killed SIGKILL! |
| 20:51.40 | x_link | Well... if anybody would like to walk me through how to set up lm-sensors just message me. To be honest I don't think anybody wants to help me but anyway =) |
| 20:51.45 | x_link | I would REALLY appreciate it ALOT! |
| 20:52.03 | DawnLight | x_link |
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| 20:52.26 | x_link | DawnLight: Yes? |
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| 20:53.07 | enouf | heck telinit 1 should even accomplish a nice session kill |
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| 20:56.55 | Alam_Debian | what is the most simple GNOME theme? |
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| 20:57.29 | torrr | I have recompiled the kernel using make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image and stil get the problem FS: cannot open root device sda3 or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 20:58.10 | enouf | he kcmshell kdm pulls up the control login module which says /sbin/reboot is listed for reboot and /sbin/halt for shutdown .. try it, and report back ;-P |
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| 20:58.33 | sep | torrr, probably just missing the driver for the harddrive controller. or filesystem or both |
| 20:58.51 | torrr | sep What can I do? |
| 20:59.00 | sep | add it ? |
| 20:59.05 | sep | in the initrd |
| 20:59.05 | sphenxes | today, I have installed etch on my computer. it works fine. my problem i have bought D-link G520 wireless nic (i have bought because it works fine with SuSE 10). Now I would like to install it under etch. I have googled but there is not simple answer except (Ndiswrapper). Is there simple packet to be installed and worked under debian? |
| 20:59.07 | valdyn | DawnLight: ssh is fine, kill is fine, the name "kill" does not imply that a process is forced to quit unclean |
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| 20:59.15 | torrr | how? I used the oldconfig |
| 20:59.35 | torrr | sep if the oldconfig worked why this one doesnt? |
| 20:59.43 | sep | torrr, well if your building your own kernels you'r probably a lot more knowledgeable about such things then me. i use debian kernel packages |
| 21:00.21 | sep | torrr, do you use a initrd ? did you update the initrd with the modules from the new kernel ? |
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| 21:01.01 | torrr | sep: no... I just did make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
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| 21:01.20 | sep | torrr, you must have a reason for compiling your own kernels |
| 21:01.29 | sep | otherways what's the point ? :) |
| 21:01.35 | enouf | torrr: try update-initramfs |
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| 21:01.59 | torrr | I have but for now I try with the easiest vanila |
| 21:02.14 | Chicago | Hi, In my RAID 5 array, disk hde stopped working... (I think it got unplugged)... the system is up now, and the raid /dev/md0 is running degraded. What's the order I should do things in to rebuild the array? I'm gunshy with mdadm |
| 21:02.15 | enouf | torrr: but add you stuff like sep said prior ;-) |
| 21:02.35 | sep | Chicago, 1: backup ! |
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| 21:03.30 | valdyn | Chicago: mdadm /dev/mdX add /dev/whatever, iirc |
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| 21:03.53 | Dave_is_sex1 | I'm buying a usb tv stick on thursday. how do i know if it will work on debian? (laughs at countries that don't have free digital tv yet. hehe) |
| 21:03.55 | torrr | enouf, I don't understand beside make-kpkg what other commands do I need to run? why can't I just use the oldconfig ? |
| 21:04.15 | sep | Chicago, 2: check that it have status failed 3: replace or replug the drive 4: man mdadm read about the add option under manage mode |
| 21:04.16 | enouf | Chicago: suggest some reading http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mdadm/mdadm/trunk/debian/FAQ?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 21:05.50 | ma3x | why when I execute schroot it says E: default: Chroot not found |
| 21:05.58 | enouf | maybe you need to specify real-root-device or somesuch, or don't bother with an initrd, if you oldconfig didn't use one |
| 21:06.01 | ma3x | I've already setup a chroot in /etc/schroot/schroot.conf |
| 21:06.19 | Chicago | sep: valdyn: enouf: Looks like I've got it hot added. I'll wait for the reconstruction. |
| 21:06.48 | Chicago | My dumb butt was trying to add /dev/hde instead of /dev/hde3 ..... |
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| 21:07.03 | sep | Chicago, this is why you need backups :) |
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| 21:08.19 | ma3x | hello |
| 21:08.24 | ma3x | this channel has become so lazy |
| 21:08.25 | ma3x | nobody helps |
| 21:08.36 | xand | cry |
| 21:08.37 | enouf | !hurry |
| 21:08.38 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
| 21:08.39 | Chicago | ma3x: wtf? I just got great help> :) |
| 21:08.51 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 21:08.51 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:08.54 | ma3x | Chicago, with the standard stuff yeah |
| 21:09.04 | rahul | dude, he missed an AWESOME stoner metal band |
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| 21:09.09 | xand | !patience |
| 21:09.09 | dpkg | [patience] a virtue. Please wait here on the channel for answers to appear. That may take some time depending on how much time people need to look up things for you. It probably does not help to repeat your question too soon. |
| 21:09.12 | ma3x | !puszystrike rahul |
| 21:09.16 | rahul | my neck hurts |
| 21:09.28 | rahul | ma3x: that's tonight :D |
| 21:09.31 | sussudio | rahul: that'll teach you to suck elephant cock. |
| 21:09.48 | rahul | cinco de mayo mondo porno party tonight |
| 21:09.51 | ma3x | wow, rahul cool!! |
| 21:10.17 | rahul | sussudio: I saw the band. |
| 21:10.43 | rahul | oh seeing stoner metal bands will give me an education in how to suck elephant cock? |
| 21:10.48 | rahul | that's quite interesting |
| 21:11.10 | Chicago | rahul: usually seeing stoner metal bands will give you an excuse to drink beer. |
| 21:11.20 | rahul | Chicago: yep :) |
| 21:11.33 | mlowe | i dont need no excuse |
| 21:11.37 | rahul | hehe |
| 21:11.46 | Petrov | hello, my sound doesn't work. only when i do 'alsaconf' |
| 21:11.53 | rahul | well, I didn't need one either, but it makes it more fun! |
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| 21:12.07 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 21:12.08 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 21:12.08 | Chicago | I'm thinking lots of margaritas and tequila to celebrate cinco de mayo. |
| 21:12.22 | rahul | why do people have so many issues with alsa? I just load the driver and that's it |
| 21:12.36 | dvs | Petrov: put the kernel modules that alsaconf loads into your /etc/modules file |
| 21:12.41 | rahul | Chicago: yeah... but the sex slaves' song is thank you lord for jack daniels |
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| 21:12.51 | rahul | Chicago: so I might have to do a shot of each with them |
| 21:12.58 | enouf | rahul: there's likely 5 gazillion other apps doing something with or to something |
| 21:13.04 | Petrov | dvs: i did |
| 21:13.16 | rahul | enouf: something? |
| 21:13.30 | enouf | or someshit ;-) |
| 21:13.31 | dvs | Petrov: did you do a "alsactl store" after you ran alsaconf? |
| 21:13.33 | rahul | alsa is easy, tho |
| 21:13.37 | Chicago | Today I woke up to a java virtual machine error on my blackberry... it totally died... no repairing a reloading the os... then my internet connection went out because the bill wasn't paid... and then the raid array broke..... |
| 21:13.54 | enouf | esd, artsd, oss, blah blah |
| 21:13.54 | Petrov | dvs: no |
| 21:13.56 | rahul | Chicago: now THAT's an excuse to drink lots of tequila |
| 21:13.58 | xand | Chicago: and then you turned into a city? |
| 21:14.02 | Chicago | just about goin for the hat trick here... cause I got the phone and internet fixed... I had a spare blackberry. and I paid the bill... but now I just got to wait for the raid. |
| 21:14.19 | rahul | enouf: but those sjhound't STOP alsa from working |
| 21:14.23 | valdyn | Chicago: add a hot spare.. |
| 21:14.25 | rahul | xand: heh |
| 21:14.31 | rahul | I have a hot spare |
| 21:14.36 | xand | I bet you do. |
| 21:14.41 | x_link | Which command shows which Debian version I'm using? |
| 21:14.48 | enouf | rahul: many things shouldn't happen[tm] |
| 21:14.52 | Chicago | valdyn: I gave it a 'mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/hde3' the rebuild is humming along nicely. |
| 21:14.52 | jelly-home | !version |
| 21:14.53 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 21:15.00 | jelly-home | x_link: ^^ |
| 21:15.00 | x_link | jelly-home: Thanks |
| 21:15.06 | rahul | enouf: like a splintery wooden spoon up the ass? |
| 21:15.13 | x_link | ahh right /cat /etc/debian_version. I forgot /etc/ |
| 21:15.17 | valdyn | Chicago: sure, add another hot spare |
| 21:15.36 | xand | that reminds me |
| 21:15.38 | rahul | I like big spare and I cannot lie |
| 21:15.49 | xand | half of /home's raid 1 died the other week |
| 21:15.49 | xand | gah |
| 21:16.14 | rahul | oh, and the stoner metal band is called gaggle of cocks |
| 21:16.28 | rahul | I figured this channel would appreciate that :P |
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| 21:16.56 | Chicago | valdyn: Well, this is a 1U with 4 drives in it already. If I can find a new case, I'll do it. I have 2 of these 1Us with 4 drives in them each... and honestly I'd like to re-house them into new cases. |
| 21:17.34 | Dave_is_sex1 | anyone know if this can work on debian: http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h824.htm ? I'm expecting that it can't |
| 21:17.39 | Chicago | valdyn: Its not like I'll get faster speed by making the array bigger... I'm only on old pci w/ IDE raid.... but the spares would be nice. :) |
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| 21:18.06 | rahul | Dave_is_sex1: you are a tool |
| 21:18.23 | Chicago | Thanks for the support guys. :) |
| 21:18.34 | Chicago | I'm leaving till the next episode. |
| 21:18.59 | rahul | Dave_is_sex1: it works perfectly. but you don't know how to use google, so I guess you wouldn't know |
| 21:20.03 | sphenxes | is there any easy wireless tutorial for etch, d-link g520 out there? |
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| 21:23.09 | rahul | sphenxes: mostly, it's just man iwconfig from what I hear... what more do you need? |
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| 21:25.07 | streetcat | where can i get libfixes3 and libxinerama1 ? |
| 21:26.13 | sphenxes | i would like to install D-link G520 on my computer (WAP encryption). I have used madwifi to install it on SuSE it worked fine. now I would like to install it under etch. is there any madwifi drivers for etch or should i use ndiswrapper |
| 21:26.14 | rahul | !find libfixes |
| 21:26.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libfixes' returned no results. |
| 21:26.30 | ekimus | sphenxes: non-free |
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| 21:26.51 | sphenxes | ekimus, sorry what do you mean but non-free |
| 21:27.03 | ekimus | sphenxes: add non-free to your sources.list |
| 21:27.12 | streetcat | the camorama is not a free-software? |
| 21:27.12 | sphenxes | ekimus, thanks |
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| 21:27.38 | ekimus | streetcat: what? |
| 21:27.48 | ekimus | streetcat: i was refering to sphenxes hence the prefix |
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| 21:28.54 | rahul | streetcat: why aren't you using camorama from debian? |
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| 21:29.05 | streetcat | ekimus: yes but I'm in trouble with a webcam then I try to instal camorama, so I need libfixes3 and libxinerama1 but I do not foud it! |
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| 21:29.28 | rahul | streetcat: man aptitude |
| 21:29.33 | streetcat | rahul: I'm trying |
| 21:29.40 | rahul | streetcat: how did you manage to mess that up? |
| 21:30.02 | rahul | just ask aptitude to install the package... |
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| 21:30.23 | ekimus | streetcat: i have no idea what you are talking about but searching for that camorama thing shows that it just is in debian. (stable) |
| 21:30.24 | streetcat | rahul: it doesn't works really... |
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| 21:30.32 | rahul | streetcat: you broke it, then |
| 21:30.50 | streetcat | rahul:huuuuum |
| 21:30.51 | rahul | streetcat: you're probably not using debian |
| 21:31.06 | streetcat | rahul: yes, but a ccd one |
| 21:31.12 | rahul | huh? |
| 21:31.17 | rahul | ccd debian? |
| 21:31.29 | alleyoopster | streetcat: i installed it this morning "aptitude install camorama" it works fine |
| 21:32.01 | rahul | some brasilian thing? |
| 21:32.04 | streetcat | rahul:yeah... an remaster... how can I say.... live cd |
| 21:32.06 | Althaser | aptitude tells me id what should I do about that package ? please |
| 21:32.14 | rahul | streetcat: uh, you don't install software with live cds |
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| 21:32.20 | streetcat | rahul: that's it! |
| 21:32.39 | x_link | Damn it |
| 21:32.42 | rahul | streetcat: so you're not using debian. you're using something that was generated from a debian system |
| 21:32.44 | streetcat | rahul:yes, I reewrite de sources.list |
| 21:32.44 | Althaser | aptitude tells me id (status) what should I do about that package? |
| 21:32.49 | x_link | lm-sensors doesn't show me the right temps either. |
| 21:32.52 | rahul | streetcat: therefore, nothing we tell you will help you |
| 21:33.00 | x_link | There is NO program that shows me the right temp |
| 21:33.08 | rahul | x_link: shrug, you have a crappy motherboard, then |
| 21:33.12 | streetcat | rahul:humm thanks for the clue |
| 21:33.17 | ekimus | streetcat: you do have debian (stable) installed on your hard disk do you? |
| 21:33.18 | x_link | rahul: Okej. |
| 21:33.43 | streetcat | ekimus:yeah man |
| 21:33.50 | x_link | rahul: My motherboard works well, but it's a cheap Asus board. |
| 21:33.57 | streetcat | ekimus:thanks |
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| 21:34.04 | rahul | x_link: yeah, it's the chipset specifically |
| 21:34.09 | x_link | rahul: lm-sensors shows the same temp as acpi -t, always on 40C. |
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| 21:34.19 | rahul | x_link: what does the bios say? |
| 21:34.28 | x_link | rahul: It's an Asus M2NPV-VM nForce 430 |
| 21:34.31 | rahul | in the bios config, it should have a screen with a readout |
| 21:34.33 | x_link | rahul: 29-31C |
| 21:34.43 | rahul | x_link: yeah, something's messed up there |
| 21:34.59 | ekimus | streetcat: so then "aptitude install <the software you mentioned earlier which i forgot the name but is definitely there>" does the trick |
| 21:35.01 | rahul | count on nvidia to screw up |
| 21:35.02 | x_link | mbmon is the one that shows the closest so far |
| 21:35.22 | x_link | rahul: I will get nForce 680i for my new machine. |
| 21:35.30 | haxality | ekimus: one of the most intuitive and succinct commands I've ever seen :P |
| 21:36.13 | x_link | Well I think I will get that motherboard, not sure yet. |
| 21:36.13 | rahul | x_link: good luck, heh |
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| 21:36.14 | x_link | rahul: What, not good? |
| 21:36.14 | ekimus | haxality: thanks :) |
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| 21:36.14 | rahul | x_link: well, it's nvidia... |
| 21:36.14 | archpollux | hi |
| 21:36.14 | archpollux | i keep having locale problems |
| 21:36.15 | archpollux | esp. with apt-get |
| 21:36.15 | rahul | archpollux: stop constraining your particle to such a small box! |
| 21:36.15 | archpollux | locale.Error: unsupported locale setting |
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| 21:36.29 | archpollux | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 21:36.42 | rahul | archpollux: did you try reconfiguring the system default locale? |
| 21:36.54 | archpollux | several times |
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| 21:36.56 | rahul | archpollux: or maybe you don't even have the locales package? |
| 21:37.00 | archpollux | yes |
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| 21:37.26 | archpollux | oops, i thought i had |
| 21:37.26 | archpollux | wait |
| 21:37.36 | rahul | it needs to compile locales, too, I think |
| 21:37.37 | rahul | and I need to pee |
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| 21:37.51 | pingouin | someone has success in building nvidia driver 9755 with the last 2.6.21.1 kernel , on Etch ? |
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| 21:38.32 | ekimus | i just HATE it when I accidentally hit the quit keystroke for my term. |
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| 21:39.46 | archpollux | ok, got rid of the warnings :) |
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| 21:40.09 | valdyn | pingouin: what's your real question? |
| 21:40.13 | Enverex | Arg, why hasn't libjasper been fixed? It's just a simple change of name for one of the deps and it blocks an absoloute load of things because it can't be installed |
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| 21:40.45 | streetca1 | why my aptitude wants to remove my x-server? |
| 21:41.00 | rahul | streetca1: because you made a mess of your sources |
| 21:41.15 | rahul | crazy brasillians |
| 21:41.22 | dvs | ??? |
| 21:41.23 | streetca1 | rahul: hum can I fix it? |
| 21:41.24 | pingouin | valdyn: it was my question ;) |
| 21:41.46 | valdyn | pingouin: yes |
| 21:41.48 | ekimus | hmm wonder how long it takes to check 18GB of binary data in a subversion repo... |
| 21:41.48 | rahul | streetca1: if you knew how to use aptitude, you could |
| 21:42.02 | azeem | rahul: if you don't want to help, just keep quiet |
| 21:42.23 | streetca1 | rahul: thank you by the way |
| 21:42.54 | pingouin | valdyn: just want to know if it's worked for someone, thus i builded a kernel 2.6.21.1, then install last nvidia driver 9755, then startx, X start, and quit... |
| 21:43.00 | streetca1 | rahul: here in Brazil we would say to you that Você Se Acha o tal.... |
| 21:43.18 | valdyn | pingouin: aye, answer is 'yes' |
| 21:43.34 | pingouin | valdyn: so, i miss something somewhere |
| 21:43.54 | pingouin | valdyn: and i look what is it |
| 21:44.01 | rahul | azeem: erm, I have been helping him |
| 21:44.16 | Enverex | pingouin, Try the 100.xx series drivers then |
| 21:44.19 | rahul | azeem: he's trying to switch distros via aptitude |
| 21:44.34 | azeem | rahul: when was that? Earlier today? |
| 21:44.50 | rahul | azeem: well, he's in the middle of it |
| 21:44.51 | valdyn | Enverex: 9755 works fine with this kernel. |
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| 21:44.59 | rahul | azeem: he was here earlier, yes |
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| 21:45.12 | pingouin | valdyn: so, what i missed do you think ? |
| 21:45.24 | rahul | azeem: actually, he's trying to mix distros by switching sources back and forth, I think |
| 21:45.41 | valdyn | pingouin: if X starts and quits after that its probably not even an nvidia issue, read the logfile |
| 21:45.45 | rahul | azeem: on a live CD... *boggle* |
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| 21:46.27 | streetca1 | rahul: azeem: yeah that's wrong? why? |
| 21:46.30 | azeem | I see |
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| 21:47.25 | rahul | streetca1: it's like trying to have a joint mission of two armies who have never trained together and can't talk to each other |
| 21:47.41 | JohnGH | What do I need to do to trash my network settings and reconfigure networking from scratch? |
| 21:47.46 | rahul | JohnGH: man 5 interfaces |
| 21:47.50 | dvs | rahul: Oh, the US and Iraq |
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| 21:47.56 | mmonix | can i apt-get linux-headers from kernel 2.4.27 (sarge kernel) w/out compiling kernel? |
| 21:47.56 | rahul | dvs: :) |
| 21:48.03 | streetca1 | rahul:hum |
| 21:48.08 | azeem | mmonix: yes |
| 21:48.21 | pingouin | valdyn: i got a backtrace at the end, and 0 (EE) but some warning about font (but it work with older kernel) and also a WW with mouse |
| 21:48.36 | azeem | mmonix: they're called kernel-headers in sarge |
| 21:49.03 | valdyn | pingouin: ok, so some part of X crashed. How did you install nvidia drivers? |
| 21:49.40 | streetca1 | rahul: now, I'll change my list again, i Know what will happen. I'll not have my packages to install |
| 21:49.45 | JohnGH | rahul: thanks - I Think I need to go further back than the interfaces file - I think I've got everything in there configured as I need it - (I just want DHCP on the interface I'm trying to get working) |
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| 21:50.11 | JohnGH | I copied the config from my working machine to /etc/network/interfaces - but that wasn't enough |
| 21:50.24 | pingouin | valdyn: from the nvidia web site sh Nvidia-blahblah |
| 21:50.43 | valdyn | pingouin: was nvidia-glx installed before that? |
| 21:50.54 | valdyn | pingouin: or worse, is that package still installed? |
| 21:50.55 | rahul | JohnGH: further back than that is kernel drivers |
| 21:51.18 | rahul | streetca1: right, the system you have installed is not designed for having the package you want |
| 21:51.20 | pingouin | valdyn: yes, yes, i run the same drivers on the 2.6.18 kernel, build by myself |
| 21:51.37 | JohnGH | rahul: hmmm OK - well the driver is working because I can ping the interface if I ifconfig it with an IP |
| 21:51.40 | valdyn | pingouin: the nvidia-glx debian package is installed? still? |
| 21:51.52 | streetca1 | rahul:so its a piece of shit |
| 21:52.04 | rahul | streetca1: or it's just not designed for you |
| 21:52.15 | streetca1 | rahul:maybe... |
| 21:52.23 | JohnGH | but when I reboot my /etc/init.d/networking doesn't bring it up, and there's nothing in netstat -nr unless I configure it manually. |
| 21:52.25 | rahul | streetca1: live cds are not meant for people who want to choose their software |
| 21:52.34 | ekimus | hmm or maybe pebkac (scnr) |
| 21:52.34 | rahul | streetca1: it's just a bundled thing you plug in and go |
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| 21:52.52 | pingouin | valdyn: dpkg -l nvidia-glx = no |
| 21:52.54 | rahul | JohnGH: so just configure it for dhcp in interfaces... read the man page |
| 21:53.12 | rahul | JohnGH: uh... do you have an auto line for that iface? |
| 21:53.18 | streetca1 | rahul:hurum, now I know... next weak I'll try the slak thing... |
| 21:53.26 | rahul | streetca1: or just use debian |
| 21:53.28 | valdyn | pingouin: ok |
| 21:53.32 | rahul | streetca1: it works fine on debian |
| 21:53.47 | streetca1 | rahul:hehhehehe |
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| 21:54.02 | valdyn | pingouin: try this: "updatedb && locate libGL.so" |
| 21:54.15 | valdyn | pingouin: trying to figure where you have a different nvidia driver version installed |
| 21:55.04 | Enverex | valdyn, "find / | grep libGL.so" is probably faster |
| 21:55.13 | JohnGH | rahul: I have: auto eth0 |
| 21:55.14 | JohnGH | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:55.25 | rahul | JohnGH: strange... |
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| 21:55.41 | pingouin | valdyn: command launched wip |
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| 21:55.56 | valdyn | pingouin: wip? |
| 21:56.36 | pingouin | valdyn: work in progress |
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| 21:57.15 | valdyn | pingouin: ok, you can check dmesg for nvidia and even your Xorg.0.log, both to find version numbers |
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| 21:57.57 | ekimus | hmm i'm reading the linux+ipv6 tutorial now but i don't really get what benefits has radvd (if any) over a dhcp server for ipv6, someone please enlighten me (or give me a link i seem to be googling the wrong keywords) it seems that most documentation just says use radvd and be done with it, but why? |
| 21:58.44 | valdyn | ekimus: the dhclient feature is built into ipv6 |
| 21:58.46 | torrr | is core 2 duo considered pentium M family in menuconfig? |
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| 21:58.58 | valdyn | ekimus: so using radvd saves needing clients, not needing a server |
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| 21:59.35 | ekimus | valdyn: ok i know that but what about assigning hostnames or certain ip addresses to certain clients (like you do with dhcp and ipv4 over the mac address) |
| 21:59.57 | valdyn | ekimus: then you need something like a dhcp server adnd client |
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| 22:00.34 | valdyn | ekimus: uh, "certain ip addresses" can be done by radvd |
| 22:01.21 | ekimus | valdyn: ok in summary the no brainer and uncontrollable clients -> radvd, if I want control over something like assign the same hostname with the same address to the same box at any given time i still need to go the dhcp way.... is that from a naive point of view right? |
| 22:02.06 | valdyn | ekimus: you dont need any of this to stick the same name to same ip |
| 22:02.10 | ekimus | valdyn: uncontrollable clients meaning random boxes that show up in the network (like having a lot of visitiors with notebooks) |
| 22:02.45 | valdyn | ekimus: that is only a static dns entry. Dhcp has nothing to do with this on ipv4 either |
| 22:04.03 | valdyn | ekimus: dhcp can do alot more, like setting a wins server or whatever else dhcp supports that goes beyond what radvd can do. You just didnt mention anything that needs more than radvd so far |
| 22:04.07 | dErFF | hey when i type 'fluxbox' it keeps on saying cannot connect to xserver |
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| 22:05.50 | ekimus | valdyn: i'm just confused how I would do something like binding a mac address to a certain ip. I guess I'll have another read of the howto and the other docs i collected. seems i missed some major points |
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| 22:06.39 | valdyn | ekimus: radvd assigns mac-specific ips by default iirc, since its what i use |
| 22:07.16 | JohnGH | rahul: is there a dpkg-something command I can do to set it all back to the original settings I would get with a clean install? |
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| 22:07.49 | rahul | JohnGH: er... all? |
| 22:08.19 | acu | I am a bit confused, how somebody can have dual licensing GPL and Commercial or "Professional" ? |
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| 22:08.25 | rahul | maybe you want dpkg-reconfigure netbase? |
| 22:08.31 | rahul | acu: by doing it |
| 22:08.34 | valdyn | acu: why? |
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| 22:08.59 | valdyn | acu: i can sell something to you, and give a copy to someone else for free, allowing you x things and him y |
| 22:09.01 | acu | are not they incompatible ? |
| 22:09.02 | rahul | acu: if they pay you, they get a more permissive license. if they don't, they get the increased restriction of the gpl |
| 22:09.14 | war | Has anyone here been able to get the video off their Motorola (Comcast) DVR box with Linux? I can use the FIREWIRE interface to do it with Windows, but not Linux. |
| 22:09.17 | JohnGH | rahul: when I do that it doesn't come up and ask me anything - it just goes away for a while and does stuff and then comes back |
| 22:09.19 | rahul | acu: they don't need to be compatible |
| 22:09.27 | rahul | JohnGH: maybe add -plow? |
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| 22:10.02 | Nide | nas |
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| 22:10.58 | JohnGH | rahul: same :| |
| 22:11.04 | Nide | alguien me podria dejar sus sources.list? he tocado un poco y he puesto unas de wikipedia que no me valen :| |
| 22:11.18 | azeem | !br |
| 22:11.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:11.27 | azeem | !es |
| 22:11.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:11.30 | Nide | opus |
| 22:11.32 | Nide | sorry |
| 22:11.33 | rahul | JohnGH: ... dunno what the right package to reconfigure is... then |
| 22:11.35 | azeem | p |
| 22:11.36 | azeem | np |
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| 22:11.38 | Nide | i forgot it :S |
| 22:11.39 | Nide | xD |
| 22:11.45 | rahul | pspace |
| 22:11.55 | ekimus | Nide: i'm curious what was that language? |
| 22:12.08 | JohnGH | rahul: thanks for trying anyway. :) |
| 22:12.10 | Nide | spanish |
| 22:12.41 | rahul | erg, I have another girl who wants to meet me |
| 22:12.47 | acu | rahul and valdyn: I want to use ez.no and build around a Laboratory Management System - however I am confused by this dual ownership - if the open community contributes to their EZ.no, automatically cannot be proprietary since is GPL - anyhow I will think about it |
| 22:12.48 | Nide | I wrote all well... can't you recognize spanish? |
| 22:12.56 | karsten | rahul: Dating social workers again? |
| 22:13.07 | rahul | heh |
| 22:13.15 | rahul | karsten: social workers? |
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| 22:13.37 | rahul | acu: well, they need to get copyright assignment |
| 22:13.42 | torrr | is core 2 duo considered 'pentium M' family in menuconfig? |
| 22:13.45 | karsten | rahul: I'm trying to think of what sort of girl would want to see you ;-) |
| 22:13.50 | rahul | heh |
| 22:13.53 | valdyn | torrr: yes |
| 22:13.55 | squisher | Does anyone know how to setup scponly properly? Nothing seems to work (sftp just closes connection, scp gives me a "bad request") |
| 22:14.06 | rahul | karsten: she works at proctor and gamble |
| 22:14.16 | torrr | valdyn, thanks :) |
| 22:14.18 | Nide | Pentium D = Pentium M + Pentium M |
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| 22:15.22 | valdyn | well, no |
| 22:15.28 | torrr | Nide, Pentium D is P4 x2 |
| 22:15.37 | torrr | Nide, not M |
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| 22:18.28 | Nide | oh, thanks torrr i was sure that D = M x2 |
| 22:18.44 | xand | pentium M is slower |
| 22:18.53 | xand | designed for portability, M for mobile |
| 22:19.04 | Sweetandy | Pentium |
| 22:19.10 | xand | (lower power for battery life) |
| 22:19.15 | xand | Sweetandy: what? |
| 22:19.33 | Nide | mmm, i also forgot it... |
| 22:19.34 | Nide | hehe |
| 22:19.41 | rahul | core 2 duo is based on the pentium M, but designed for speed, too |
| 22:19.46 | Sweetandy | xand: Oh, nothing. |
| 22:19.51 | squisher | side note: found bug #394132 which fixed my scponly problem |
| 22:19.59 | xand | oh well |
| 22:20.03 | rahul | they just abandoned the whole misguided BS that was the p4 |
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| 22:23.24 | axolx | hey guys -- how can i search a tree for directories with 5 or more files in them? can `find` do that? |
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| 22:27.24 | slyboots | Hi |
| 22:27.38 | xand | hi |
| 22:27.41 | slyboots | Does anyone have any idea why a Wireless connection would just.. Break, with no real ryhme or reason? |
| 22:27.51 | Guerin | slyboots: wireless drivers are shit |
| 22:27.56 | xand | define "break" |
| 22:28.00 | slyboots | On my laptop, just talking on IRC when the wireless connection dies on its ass |
| 22:28.11 | Guerin | slyboots: what device? |
| 22:28.14 | slyboots | Drops connection, wont reconnect, and gives no clear indication why it wont reconnect |
| 22:28.20 | slyboots | Its a Apple Airport card I suppose.. |
| 22:28.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:28.29 | Guerin | the worst of all! |
| 22:28.32 | xand | a mac? |
| 22:28.42 | slyboots | Well its not like I have a hell of a lot of choice |
| 22:28.50 | slyboots | This peice of shit does not even have a PCMCIA slot |
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| 22:29.00 | Guerin | well, you had the choice of not buying jobsware in the first place |
| 22:29.04 | slyboots | It was cheap |
| 22:29.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:29.26 | Guerin | the irony, it hurts |
| 22:29.27 | xand | do other wireless things connect to your AP? |
| 22:29.41 | slyboots | xand, Tried my Wii and NDS, both connect fine |
| 22:29.51 | slyboots | So the router seems to be functioning correctly |
| 22:30.12 | xand | and what happens when you try to reconnect? |
| 22:30.18 | slyboots | Well.. nothing |
| 22:30.20 | slyboots | It connects |
| 22:30.20 | xand | says I who have never used wireless on linux :| |
| 22:30.36 | slyboots | but does not recive a IP, I cant ping the router (Get a Network is Down message) |
| 22:30.46 | slyboots | Does not receive a IP adress from the DHCP server |
| 22:30.57 | xand | run dhclient manually maybe |
| 22:31.31 | slyboots | Hold on, Going to disconnect the LAN and connect to IRC via my desktop.. brb |
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| 22:33.20 | slyboots | Hm, Seems running dhcpclient manualy worked fine :) |
| 22:33.36 | slyboots | Although I still cant see my status in the Gnome-panel aplet |
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| 22:35.02 | JunoDewar | I have this strange problem with time. When I set time correctly in Debian it becomes wrong(by the same margin I corrected it) in Windoze, so I correct it there and it unsurprisingly changes time in Debian too for some reason, what should I do? |
| 22:35.02 | ekimus | hmm i have a directory tree where svn chokes on several invalid utf-8 filenames, is there a tool to find those (at least find, since doing svn import everytime takes a lot of time) |
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| 22:35.21 | xand | JunoDewar: install ntp |
| 22:35.41 | ekimus | JunoDewar: you want to tell debian that your timezone isn't local (i guess it's going off by an hour is it?) |
| 22:35.53 | ekimus | JunoDewar: err isn't UTC but local |
| 22:36.00 | JunoDewar | By three hours |
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| 22:36.13 | slyboots | Uh.. right |
| 22:36.25 | slyboots | Odd, DNS has now broken |
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| 22:37.23 | JunoDewar | this ntp thing should help me yes? |
| 22:38.07 | ekimus | JunoDewar: ok let me get that straight (was stated badly before) I'm in GMT+1 so for me it always goes wrong by 1 hour if you are in GMT+/-3 and everytime after a windows boot the clock goes wrong 3 hours it is very likely that you told debian that your bios clock is set to utc. ntp and ntpdate helps (ntp won't do if the drift is of too much) |
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| 22:40.56 | xand | JunoDewar: I suggest editing /etc/default/rcS to tell it it's not set to UTC |
| 22:41.06 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i ran nessus on my server and found this port open 1042 blah11. now seems that this blah11 is a troian..how can i find where the hell is it hidden and terminate it? |
| 22:41.41 | xand | assasukasse: where did you get the name "blah11" from? |
| 22:41.50 | assasukasse | nessus reported me |
| 22:42.01 | xand | netstat -plunt | grep 1042 |
| 22:42.13 | ekimus | hmm isn't the only reliable way to repair a compromised system a clean reinstall? |
| 22:42.18 | Guerin | assasukasse: you can't |
| 22:42.19 | JunoDewar | Actually everthing was fine, untill last night changed it myself by setting +3 of my correct time (I was playing around with random function programming) then I changed it back, so everything was fine in debian, next time I login in XP my time was wrong so I set it back, after that I login in debian and wrong again |
| 22:42.23 | Guerin | assasukasse: reinstall |
| 22:42.26 | Guerin | ekimus: yes. |
| 22:42.37 | xand | assasukasse: if it really is compromised, you want to rebuild |
| 22:42.42 | ekimus | .oO(especially if one has to ask) |
| 22:42.45 | Guerin | assasukasse: please don't whine about how inconvenient it is. |
| 22:42.57 | xand | JunoDewar: do what I said |
| 22:43.03 | assasukasse | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1042 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5126/linuxdcpp |
| 22:43.23 | Guerin | assasukasse: why is this box still on the network? Taker it down NOW. |
| 22:43.35 | xand | assasukasse: you're not running DC++? |
| 22:43.48 | assasukasse | xand i am running dc++ on port 1041 |
| 22:44.01 | assasukasse | nothing strange that it secretly took another port |
| 22:44.13 | assasukasse | 1042 as a udp or so |
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| 22:44.23 | xand | assasukasse: if you grep for 1041 instead, is the 5126 number the same? |
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| 22:44.39 | assasukasse | xand, yes |
| 22:44.43 | xand | it's the same program then |
| 22:44.46 | assasukasse | is the CRAPPY |
| 22:44.47 | Guerin | assasukasse: kill dc++. Does it go away? |
| 22:44.49 | ekimus | i love command+q on the macs it hits me everytime i want to enter an @ (most of the time actually) |
| 22:44.51 | assasukasse | yup |
| 22:44.52 | assasukasse | it went |
| 22:44.57 | xand | well, it's not a trojan then |
| 22:45.02 | xand | unless it's not meant to be there |
| 22:45.04 | assasukasse | xand thank god... |
| 22:45.15 | Guerin | assasukasse: my advice is to stop running dc++ |
| 22:45.17 | ekimus | is dc++ some seti@home clone or what is that? |
| 22:45.25 | Guerin | ekimus: p2p retardware |
| 22:45.27 | xand | ekimus: it's p2p I think. |
| 22:45.49 | ekimus | useless then (like seti@home)... |
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| 22:46.07 | jetscreamer | think torrent |
| 22:46.18 | jetscreamer | or donkey mule gift |
| 22:47.09 | assasukasse | Guerin, i am writing to the maintainer of the package, plus i am shutting it down... |
| 22:47.24 | assasukasse | thanks everyone |
| 22:47.27 | Guerin | assasukasse: well... you possibly want to check the documentation first. |
| 22:47.44 | assasukasse | Guerin: i did, it says it should open ONLY the port u config.. |
| 22:47.49 | assasukasse | but is not that way. |
| 22:47.53 | ekimus | second try: anyone could point me to a tool that will let me find invalid encoded utf-8 filenames? |
| 22:48.03 | Guerin | assasukasse: ok, fire at will. |
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| 22:48.47 | assasukasse | i have a small question about nessus: i installed nessus and nessusd. created an user with nessus-adduser, gave it default accept policy, and ran nessus..now once i am done, should i hang down nessusd server or i can leave it on |
| 22:49.03 | axolx | hey guys -- im sshinto into two debian boxes of mine, one sarge and one etch. i use zsh in both with the same zshrc, and connects through the same terminal app. however the etch box maps the backspace key differently. how come? how can i fix? |
| 22:49.03 | xand | assasukasse: that's up to you |
| 22:49.20 | assasukasse | xand might there be any security flaw in leaving it on? |
| 22:49.32 | Guerin | assasukasse: take it down when not in use |
| 22:49.32 | assasukasse | i mean, i didn't bother to use a very safe password for the user.. |
| 22:49.32 | xand | I doubt it |
| 22:49.42 | xand | change the password |
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| 22:49.52 | ekimus | assasukasse: shut it down |
| 22:49.57 | Guerin | nessus is Heavy Magic |
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| 22:50.34 | ekimus | assasukasse: the docs of nessus clearly say it can be a security risk so better shut it down when not using it (at least they said that last time i checked) |
| 22:50.43 | Guerin | indeed |
| 22:50.51 | Guerin | the thing is DESIGNED to make your box exploitable |
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| 22:53.53 | assasukasse | if when i installed nessus i gave also this command (as adviced) update-rc.d nessusd defaults i suppose it will restart when rebooted right? |
| 22:53.57 | assasukasse | how do i change it? |
| 22:54.08 | grendal_prime | i can never remember how exactly this works...i have a machine...completately current (just updated) as sarge, i want to upgrade it to etch, should i use dist upgrade or should i simply change the sarge to stable and do an update |
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| 22:55.27 | grendal_prime | there are some things set up i would like to not interupt...like i have a backup process that runs and connects to another machine and pulls down database backups. |
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| 22:56.11 | jetscreamer | assasukasse: at worst, chmod -x /etc/init.d/nessusd or whatever (note it's an evil hack) or dpkg-reconfigure maybe, or use updaterc or whatever |
| 22:56.18 | frankr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.33 | assasukasse | jetscreamer i sent update-rc.d -f nessusd remove |
| 22:56.38 | assasukasse | and seems working |
| 22:56.39 | jetscreamer | !find joy2key |
| 22:56.41 | Guerin | assasukasse: it should have an /etc/default/ entry |
| 22:56.43 | dpkg | joy2key: (Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 22:56.51 | assasukasse | Guerin: yes is there |
| 22:57.03 | jetscreamer | frankr: i'm thinking of a diff package, seems to me |
| 22:57.45 | jetscreamer | !info joy2key |
| 22:57.49 | dpkg | joy2key: (Translate joystick movements into equivalent keystrokes), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.6.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 22:58.32 | jetscreamer | but that 'might' be it |
| 22:58.49 | frankr | jetscreamer, yeah, I see it - Error opening /dev/js0! Are you sure you have joystick support in your kernel? its a usb gamepad does that matter? I saw it get detected in dmesg |
| 22:58.59 | frankr | thats the error the program has whe nI run it |
| 22:59.33 | jetscreamer | frankr: not sure what you need to do, i've never hooked a gamepad up to my computer |
| 22:59.54 | jetscreamer | frankr: but there are joystick modules and a program called joystick |
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| 23:00.55 | jetscreamer | frankr: apt-cache search gamepad maybe? |
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| 23:02.05 | grendal_prime | there are some things set up i would like to not interupt...like i have a backup process that runs and connects to another machine and pulls down database backups. |
| 23:02.06 | jetscreamer | frankr: it 'might' be the usb... got all the hid stuff? but i'm getting lost and of no help :/ |
| 23:02.11 | grendal_prime | i can never remember how exactly this works...i have a machine...completately current (just updated) as sarge, i want to upgrade it to etch, should i use dist upgrade or should i simply change the sarge to stable and do an update |
| 23:03.42 | ekimus | grendal_prime: topic :) |
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| 23:04.10 | frankr | jetscreamer, I'm assuming so - its detecte din dmesg |
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| 23:04.23 | frankr | input: Jess Tech USB 4-Axis 12-Button Gamepad as /class/input/input5 input: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [Jess Tech USB 4-Axis 12-Button Gamepad] on usb-0000:00:02.0-5 |
| 23:04.24 | cafuego | grendal_prime: Change sarge to etch, then update, then dist-upgrade |
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| 23:06.04 | xand | hmm, is there a linux filesystem that does something OSX's "time machine" or Windows' "previous versions"? |
| 23:06.08 | xand | +like |
| 23:06.23 | bws42 | ext3cow possibly |
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| 23:06.43 | jetscreamer | frankr: it 'could' be udev and it's propensity to put joystick stuff in /dev/input and not /dev ... i have to change the rule to get my usb joystick to work |
| 23:06.52 | torrr | I have this problem after installing a new kernel: |
| 23:06.52 | cafuego | xand: lvm can do snapshots |
| 23:06.54 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:07.02 | torrr | anyone knows how to solve it? |
| 23:07.02 | ma3x | how do I hibernate / suspend ? |
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| 23:07.10 | frankr | jetscreamer, I've tested everything in /dev/input - its just mouse and keyboard |
| 23:07.11 | jetscreamer | torrr: sounds like 2.6.20 to me |
| 23:07.14 | torrr | (new kernel I compiled) |
| 23:07.22 | frankr | I'll test a different piece of hardware |
| 23:07.31 | torrr | jetscreamer, no it is just the 2.6.18 |
| 23:07.31 | cafuego | torrr: recompile and add support for your ide/sata device AND scsi support |
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| 23:07.36 | jetscreamer | frankr: i also find i have to install the joystick program |
| 23:07.38 | xand | hmm is that stable? |
| 23:07.46 | cafuego | xand: Apparently, |
| 23:07.56 | jetscreamer | oh it's a custom kernel? |
| 23:08.03 | torrr | cafuego, I did add for scsi and sata under the scsi branch |
| 23:08.16 | Guerin | torrr: use a debian kernel. |
| 23:09.02 | torrr | Guerin, I use it. it is the linux-source package |
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| 23:09.21 | torrr | Guerin, I didn't even do any patch or anything |
| 23:09.40 | Guerin | torrr: no. A debian kernel is one debian built. |
| 23:10.04 | Guerin | torrr: if you didn't patch or change anything, why are you bothering with a custom kernel? |
| 23:10.17 | torrr | Guerin, Ah, thanks for the suggestion. But it isn't what I asked or need. |
| 23:10.30 | jetscreamer | torrr: start over, make clean, and then only take out what you are positive you don't use |
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| 23:10.36 | torrr | Guerin, because I am gona patch and change it after I see it work |
| 23:10.49 | Guerin | torrr: no. I realise. The point is that #debian doesn't troubleshoot PEBCAK errors which can be solved by installing debian packages. |
| 23:10.55 | torrr | jetscreamer, I didn't take out anything |
| 23:10.56 | jetscreamer | make dist-clean rather |
| 23:11.12 | frankr | jetscreamer, I plugged in a logitech wingman and it was put in /dev/input/js0 and joy2key was able to calibrate it |
| 23:11.12 | jetscreamer | torrr: then you didn't pass --initrd if you didn't change anything |
| 23:11.17 | frankr | so I guess this gamepad doesn't work |
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| 23:11.40 | jetscreamer | frankr: there 'could' be a kernel module needed... not sure though |
| 23:11.42 | JunoDewar | hey xand, I installed ntp(it restarted xorg without even asking), and everything became even more confused, for example command date shows 23:10(wrong one)sunday 6 while my KDE clock shows 02:10(correct) sunday 6. How do I fix this mess? what config file? |
| 23:12.09 | jetscreamer | frankr: if it's detected in dmesg, it should work or be fixable |
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| 23:12.46 | torrr | jetscreamer, that is correct I didn't pass initrd, just make-kpkg kernel-image. But I did include (*) sata under scsi |
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| 23:12.49 | ekimus | JunoDewar: are you sure you have the correct timezone set for your debian install? |
| 23:13.02 | JunoDewar | yes |
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| 23:13.27 | JunoDewar | as I told I screwed up time manually before |
| 23:13.30 | jetscreamer | torrr: maybe some other module needed to be compiled in, but wasn't. try passing --initrd to check (w/o changing anything) |
| 23:13.30 | ekimus | JunoDewar: and you told debian the correct setting of you bios clock? (if you use windows it's probably set to local time and not utc) |
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| 23:13.49 | torrr | jetscreamer, is 'make dist-clean' one of the commands to do under the source tree? |
| 23:13.52 | Soccrmastr | hi |
| 23:13.54 | Soccrmastr | anyone know of this error: "This CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid 'Release' file...." |
| 23:14.14 | torrr | ok |
| 23:14.33 | jetscreamer | torrr: yes, but that will remove .config |
| 23:14.47 | torrr | ah |
| 23:14.56 | jetscreamer | torrr: kinda like deleting the tree and untarring again |
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| 23:15.42 | bugster | as soon as i change resolution with fbset to 1024x768 w3m's image resolution gets crappy why's this ? |
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| 23:16.12 | bugster | as long as i am in 640x768-60 mode everythin is ok |
| 23:16.17 | bugster | even when i switch back |
| 23:16.39 | bugster | how can i change that behavior or correct it ? |
| 23:16.46 | dErFF | hey, whats the command to install xserver |
| 23:16.57 | dErFF | is it apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 23:16.58 | dErFF | ? |
| 23:18.21 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg better imo |
| 23:18.25 | bugster | is it that w3m's builtin image viewer is compiled with this resolution as default ? |
| 23:18.26 | jetscreamer | but yes, correct |
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| 23:19.07 | dErFF | when i tried to start fluxbox it says 'cannot connect to xserver' |
| 23:19.09 | Soccrmastr | hey guys that debian xfce iso, is it the same just with xfce preinstalled? |
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| 23:19.31 | alien-_0 | can someone help me figure out why my box wont connect to the interent dsl .. and its on network.. i can see rest of the comptuers on the windows network just my box wont connect to the interent l;( |
| 23:19.51 | jetscreamer | is this new? |
| 23:20.03 | jetscreamer | sounds very ubuntu-y |
| 23:20.03 | garo | Which package should i install to get 'alsamixer' ? |
| 23:20.04 | alien-_0 | anyone |
| 23:20.14 | jetscreamer | alsa-utils iirc garo |
| 23:20.19 | jetscreamer | might be alsa-base though |
| 23:20.21 | garo | thanks |
| 23:20.22 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 23:20.23 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:20.27 | Soccrmastr | i guess |
| 23:20.27 | Soccrmastr | look |
| 23:20.29 | yellow_chicken | alien-_0, try find out the ip for google.com and type in ip instead. maybe it's dns problme |
| 23:20.36 | alien-_0 | mm |
| 23:20.36 | Soccrmastr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:20.37 | Soccrmastr | see the bottom |
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| 23:20.45 | alien-_0 | ok |
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| 23:21.00 | bugster | as soon as i change resolution with fbset to 1024x768 w3m's image resolution gets crappy, is this a bug ? |
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| 23:21.30 | jetscreamer | zomfg we're now ubuntu clones |
| 23:21.34 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:21.52 | alien-_0 | yellow_chicken: il ltry ;( |
| 23:21.59 | Soccrmastr | its actually the other way around.. lol |
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| 23:23.13 | jetscreamer | we even have the no-root option |
| 23:23.16 | ekimus | alien-_0: it's probably a wrong default route |
| 23:23.28 | Soccrmastr | ok, my Gentoo partition is going away in a few minutes.... all that time and hard work just gone in an instant :( |
| 23:23.53 | ekimus | Soccrmastr: make a backup |
| 23:23.58 | Soccrmastr | no |
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| 23:24.29 | ekimus | Soccrmastr: make a tarball name it after some porn movie and put it on some p2p network, that'll save the disk space for you :) |
| 23:24.36 | alien-_0 | yellow_chickenL ur right |
| 23:24.44 | alien-_0 | yellow_chicken: the ip work but no hostnames |
| 23:24.46 | Soccrmastr | I have realized it is time to move on. The laptop is 64MB RAM 420mhz proc, not good for Gentoo |
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| 23:24.53 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:24.54 | rhalff | I think gentoo is especially usefull if you will use the binaries on more then one machine, just custom for one is waste of time |
| 23:24.55 | jetscreamer | lol@ekimus |
| 23:24.59 | jetscreamer | good one |
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| 23:25.34 | Enverex | Is the "HOWTO:Speeding up Debian" thread on the forums a joke? |
| 23:25.34 | Soccrmastr | link |
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| 23:25.39 | cafuego | Forums? Is that a joke? |
| 23:25.54 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:25.59 | ekimus | Enverex: what's the first post? "Learn to type with 10 fingers" or what's that about? |
| 23:26.00 | jetscreamer | we have forums? |
| 23:26.11 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Nah, he must be kidding |
| 23:26.11 | xand | forums are a joke invented by usenet haters |
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| 23:26.20 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:26.24 | cafuego | alt.usenet.die.die.die |
| 23:26.33 | Enverex | Well the initial post seems like a joke but all the rest seem serious... |
| 23:26.35 | Soccrmastr | I love Usenet but my ISP only gives me 2GB a month |
| 23:26.40 | xand | lame |
| 23:26.42 | Enverex | I'd post a link but it's on the other machine |
| 23:26.52 | xand | mine's unlimited but I don't download binaries |
| 23:26.52 | ekimus | Enverex: nobody here seems to know "The Forums", link? |
| 23:26.54 | jetscreamer | ugh euro or au isp's bite |
| 23:27.09 | cafuego | jetscreamer: His is neither of those. |
| 23:27.10 | Soccrmastr | no im in US, Comcast lol |
| 23:27.18 | Enverex | ekimus, as I said, wrong machine. Erm, the link is on debian.org, lol |
| 23:27.21 | cafuego | jetscreamer: My ISP rocks btw, *and* is in .au |
| 23:27.23 | jetscreamer | omg even rr must be better |
| 23:27.28 | ferret | !dfind gasp |
| 23:27.32 | Enverex | http://forums.debian.net |
| 23:27.35 | jetscreamer | !pal ferret |
| 23:27.36 | xand | ferret: you broked them. |
| 23:27.38 | Soccrmastr | my sister has 2 albino ferrets |
| 23:27.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gasp' (4 of 7): (/usr/bin/m68hc12-gasp) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/bin/vgaspect) in contrib/otherosfs/spectemu-svga ;; (/usr/share/doc/fontforge/html/fontinfo-gasp.png) in x11/fontforge-doc ;; (/usr/share/games/vegastrike/textures/sol/gaspra.png) in games/vegastrike-data. |
| 23:27.41 | alien-_0 | can soemone help me figure out why my debian 4.0 will let me w view only if i type in ip but nto host |
| 23:27.46 | muhoo | !gasp moan beg scream |
| 23:27.58 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:27.59 | ekimus | Enverex: nowhere on debian.org ist the word forum... |
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| 23:28.19 | cafuego | The best way to make machines runs faster is to remove users. |
| 23:28.30 | jetscreamer | somebody help alien-_0 ... i can't but he's trying hard |
| 23:28.31 | Soccrmastr | omg its happening, a little bit of me is dying. took me 2 weeks to set up Gentoo lol |
| 23:28.34 | rhalff | alien-_0: because your resolver is not ok ? :) |
| 23:28.47 | Enverex | ekimus, http://www.us.debian.org/support - under Web Sites |
| 23:28.56 | Soccrmastr | oh well, this is my first time using Debian |
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| 23:29.18 | alien-_0 | rhalffhow can i fix it? |
| 23:29.25 | xand | !tell Soccrmastr about greenhouse |
| 23:29.39 | alien-_0 | Soccrmastr: thanks budy |
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| 23:29.45 | Soccrmastr | too bad global warming is a lie |
| 23:29.45 | alien-_0 | it just went down all of a sudden |
| 23:29.52 | alien-_0 | now even my network ip changed :( not static |
| 23:29.59 | alien-_0 | i gota porforward all of my crap to new network ip |
| 23:30.02 | alien-_0 | am all fuckedu p now |
| 23:30.06 | ekimus | alien-_0: you should look the dns server that is used on your windows box (iirc open cmd type "ipconfig /all") and enter those in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:30.21 | alien-_0 | mm oki |
| 23:30.22 | alien-_0 | let me try |
| 23:30.25 | ekimus | alien-_0: if it really is a dns problem |
| 23:30.25 | Soccrmastr | very funny though lol wow never thought of the effects |
| 23:31.03 | ekimus | alien-_0: the syntax in resolv.conf is "nameserver <ip address>" (on entry per line) |
| 23:31.25 | alien-_0 | well |
| 23:31.28 | alien-_0 | i put www.google.com |
| 23:31.32 | alien-_0 | no work .. i put gogoles ip |
| 23:31.33 | alien-_0 | works |
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| 23:31.38 | alien-_0 | .. but yes i see nameserver |
| 23:31.40 | alien-_0 | what is my namesever? |
| 23:31.58 | Guerin | alien-_0: ask your isp |
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| 23:32.32 | alien-_0 | my interenet connecton just worked |
| 23:32.36 | alien-_0 | it work 100% ten min ago |
| 23:32.48 | alien-_0 | untill i port forwared 3784 for ventrilo |
| 23:33.03 | amphi | alien-_0: you can use 'nameserver 208.67.222.222' & 'nameserver 208.67.220.220' (opendns) |
| 23:33.07 | Soccrmastr | what kind of router do u have |
| 23:33.14 | alien-_0 | d link |
| 23:33.21 | alien-_0 | when i do ipconfig /all in windows |
| 23:33.26 | Soccrmastr | amphi: opendns owns |
| 23:33.35 | ekimus | alien-_0: i just told you how to find your nameserver, i suppose you have a windows box, open up cmd type ipconfig /all and write down the value of your nameserver (or dns or whatever term windows uses) |
| 23:33.56 | amphi | Soccrmastr: it does? oh good ;) |
| 23:34.04 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 23:34.06 | alien-_0 | it has a bunch of stuff ekumus |
| 23:34.07 | alien-_0 | ekimus |
| 23:34.13 | alien-_0 | ok let me see |
| 23:34.27 | cusco_ | alien-_0: use your isp provided dns nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:34.31 | cusco_ | not your gateway ip |
| 23:34.50 | cusco_ | or try opendns |
| 23:34.52 | cusco_ | !opendns |
| 23:34.57 | cusco_ | oops |
| 23:35.00 | cusco_ | nevermind |
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| 23:35.38 | mystic_source | Hello |
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| 23:35.53 | hermogenes | mystic_source: hi |
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| 23:36.19 | Enverex | Does RTorrent deal with distributed trackers well? |
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| 23:36.55 | Enverex | That makes no sense does it |
| 23:37.08 | Enverex | Erm, you know that thing where it still works without an actual tracker |
| 23:37.18 | alien-_0 | ekimus: ipconfig /all just gives me dns servers and current network ip for the machine |
| 23:37.32 | GhostlyDeath_ | wow |
| 23:37.36 | GhostlyDeath_ | Gnome 2.18 = Nice |
| 23:37.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | well the icons andstuff |
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| 23:38.04 | mystic_source | do you guys know some good place that sell linux pyjamas? |
| 23:38.09 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.18 | Vasistha | haha .. I think I appeared at a good time |
| 23:38.25 | amphi | heh |
| 23:38.37 | Vasistha | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.49 | ekimus | alien-_0: you want the ip of the dns servers and enter those in your /etc/resolv.conf (better check back with the documentation provided by your ISP that they are indeed the servers you want to use) |
| 23:38.55 | Vasistha | is this kernel panic something I should even *ask* about here? This is happening when I'm trying to unload a module. |
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| 23:39.22 | alien-_0 | i got it |
| 23:39.24 | alien-_0 | i had two nameserver |
| 23:39.31 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.42 | grendal_prime | i mean im not going to have more than a few users on it.. |
| 23:39.53 | alien-_0 | ekums: i got it it had two dns servers .. 192.168.0.1 default getway as server and the other was the actual dns server.. werid shit |
| 23:40.08 | ugly | what debugging package(s) do I need for Xorg in testing? I need to attach gdb to X |
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| 23:40.34 | dondelelcaro | ugly: depends what you want to debug |
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| 23:40.44 | LophKey | anyone know a distro that has i2c_parport / i2c_velleman enabled or easily comilable into a kernel ? need it for a home automation thing im on fc6 but stuck |
| 23:40.54 | exs | hi, does anyone know how I can mount a .bin, or a .cue? thanks very much |
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| 23:41.00 | ugly | dondelelcaro: well, simply running 'gdb X' right now gives me a "no debugging symbols" message |
| 23:41.05 | dondelelcaro | ugly: but for just the xserver, xserver-xorg-dbg; will get you started |
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| 23:41.27 | hermogenes | mystic_source: http://www.cafeshops.com/DebianStuff |
| 23:41.30 | ekimus | alien-_0: having more than one is ok, but you have to be sure that the IP actually is a nameserver (my isp provides 2 nameservers for example) |
| 23:41.31 | dondelelcaro | ugly: yes, almost nothing we distribute in Debian has symbols; you need to install the appropriate -dbg package (if it exists) in order to debug it |
| 23:41.32 | phogg | LophKey: ask in ##linux or other generic support channels |
| 23:41.33 | ugly | dondelelcaro: that package only seems to be in unstable |
| 23:41.52 | LophKey | phogg, cool - just found that ty |
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| 23:42.24 | ekimus | Vasistha: i know that some modules can cause panic upon unloading. but I can never remember which ones they are. |
| 23:42.40 | ugly | dondelelcaro: but regarding what I need to debug: Xorg keeps freezing at (what seems to be) random every few months, so I'm not sure what I DO need to debug |
| 23:42.56 | mystic_source | hermogenes but don`t have the pyjamas i'm looking for there :x |
| 23:43.10 | dondelelcaro | ugly: if it's freezing at random, attaching a debugger won't help much unless you can get it to dump core |
| 23:43.16 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 23:43.16 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:43.21 | hermogenes | mystic_source: :-( |
| 23:43.26 | stoned | hi |
| 23:43.28 | Vasistha | ekimus: this one's part of the rtl-wifi project, for RealTek 8180 based wireless cards :P I'm not sure if there's anything I can do about this on the debian/kernel side, or if the line of attack should be looking into the modules, or...? |
| 23:43.34 | mystic_source | :) |
| 23:43.41 | rahul | stoned: you missed some good stoner metal last night |
| 23:43.48 | stoned | ot |
| 23:43.48 | rahul | not techincally great, but it was fun |
| 23:44.06 | stoned | msg me |
| 23:44.06 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I've had this problem for years across multiple desktops, so I'm getting pretty desperate - Xorg logs reveal absolutely nothing - where else but gdb could I find relevant information? |
| 23:44.06 | Vasistha | "classic debian thong"? |
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| 23:44.20 | rahul | holy ylgu |
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| 23:44.27 | ugly | evil luhar |
| 23:44.31 | rahul | !! |
| 23:44.32 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 23:44.36 | evilgeek | how does one create a debian package? |
| 23:44.36 | dondelelcaro | ugly: if the machine has frozen, you won't be able to get much information out of gdb |
| 23:44.41 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 23:44.41 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 23:44.44 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: see above |
| 23:44.51 | evilgeek | awesome. |
| 23:44.53 | ugly | dondelelcaro: the machine hasn't frozen - Xorg has |
| 23:45.10 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I can ssh in from another box and restart X -> continue for another month or two until it crashes |
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| 23:45.15 | JunoDewar | okay people, I think I've found the real culprit - KDE clock widget. Basicly the actual time was synchronised all the time just this clock widget displayed it wrongly(KDE Date & Time showed the correct time). Then I installed ntp(it restarted xorg). ntp checked my KDE clock widget's time and corrected it(while messing up the actual time displayed by command 'date') |
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| 23:45.23 | dondelelcaro | ugly: oh, do you have coredumps on? |
| 23:45.40 | ugly | dondelelcaro: don't think so |
| 23:45.53 | ugly | never seen an Xorg core anywhere, anyway |
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| 23:46.07 | JunoDewar | So now I have correct time in Debian(as displayed by command 'date') and in XP but my KDE clock widget displays it wrongly |
| 23:46.19 | JunoDewar | How do I fix it? |
| 23:46.47 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: change the time zone the kde clock is set to. Also, tzconfig |
| 23:46.54 | ugly | dondelelcaro: so I should enable Option "NoTrapSignals" in xorg.conf to enable coredumps (to be later looked at with gdb)? |
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| 23:47.07 | dondelelcaro | ugly: you can start by strace -p <xid>; then enable coredumps, then send it a SIGQUIT |
| 23:47.20 | dondelelcaro | ugly: that won't enable them; you have to set ulimit appropriately |
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| 23:47.44 | dondelelcaro | (and X should not be catching SIGQUIT anyway) |
| 23:47.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | When is debian lenny getting GNOME 2.18? |
| 23:48.02 | ugly | dondelelcaro: do that when it crashes, you're saying? |
| 23:48.13 | JunoDewar | Vasistha how? If right-click on it->Adjust Time and Date it shows the correct time |
| 23:48.32 | JunoDewar | I need to change widget specifically |
| 23:48.32 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: rightclick > show timezone |
| 23:48.44 | dondelelcaro | ugly: set ulimit before you start it; you can strace and SIGQUIT after it hangs |
| 23:49.26 | ugly | dondelelcaro: set ulimit to what? I have it at unlimited currently |
| 23:49.41 | dondelelcaro | ugly: what does ulimit -c; say? |
| 23:49.46 | ekimus | hmm how likely is it that my svn repo will explode if i check in about 8 iso images and 2 or 3 dvd images (all full) |
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| 23:49.52 | ugly | dondelelcaro: 0 |
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| 23:50.02 | dondelelcaro | ugly: that has to be suitably large |
| 23:50.13 | dondelelcaro | evilgeek: unlikely |
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| 23:50.31 | epotash | does anyone know why a cd/dvd drive would refuse to mount after suspend |
| 23:50.31 | ugly | ok |
| 23:50.36 | ekimus | dondelelcaro: was that ment for me? |
| 23:50.36 | dondelelcaro | s/evilgeek/ekimus/ |
| 23:50.40 | ekimus | ah :) |
| 23:50.41 | epotash | is there some module i need to reload? |
| 23:50.45 | bzed | ekimus: it should handle that... |
| 23:50.46 | epotash | or safely unload |
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| 23:50.56 | dondelelcaro | epotash: because it was still mounted? |
| 23:51.09 | epotash | when i insert a dvd it spins up as if everything is fine |
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| 23:52.12 | epotash | im pretty sure it wasnt... |
| 23:52.25 | ekimus | so is there a known limit when I should start worrying about my repo size? i have a lot of binary data here (mostly small files but those images among them) and the different repos will range from 3 - 18 GB in the initial checkin |
| 23:53.45 | dondelelcaro | ekimus: no, not really |
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| 23:54.27 | evilgeek | dondelelcaro: the application is the Digital Mars D compiler; that guide seems to discuss building a source package. |
| 23:55.16 | evilgeek | (i'm not looking to produce a debian package useful to other people, just a debian package useful on this one particular machine.) |
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| 23:55.43 | JunoDewar | Vasistha: thanks I can change it, but Time Zones are all with messed up times, where I can correct them? |
| 23:55.50 | Enverex | Damn, the Debian startup isn't even multi-threaded is it... |
| 23:55.51 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I set the ulimit to 8096, started X, started an strace process, then ran 'kill -3 <X PID>' - it quit, but I don't see a core anywhere |
| 23:55.59 | JunoDewar | I can't seem to find them in /etc/ |
| 23:56.02 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I ran X from 'startx' in my home dir |
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| 23:56.13 | dondelelcaro | ugly: 8096 is way, way too samll |
| 23:56.13 | evilgeek | Enverex: what do you mean? |
| 23:56.15 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: did you already run tzconfig ? |
| 23:56.18 | bzed | evilgeek: a not sooo good way, but one that _usually_ (not always) works, is using checkinstall |
| 23:56.39 | Enverex | evilgeek, it runs each thing and waits for it to finish before starting the next one |
| 23:56.41 | garo | Does toolame have disadvantages (compared to lame) |
| 23:56.55 | evilgeek | Enverex: if you mean what i think you mean (run many steps concurrently), it would become a huge maintenance headache. |
| 23:57.02 | ugly | dondelelcaro: how about 1024000? |
| 23:57.11 | dondelelcaro | ugly: yeah, that should be big enough |
| 23:57.14 | ugly | ok |
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| 23:57.28 | evilgeek | Enverex: it's system startup --- each step modifies the global system state in a major way. |
| 23:57.39 | evilgeek | Enverex: and each step depends on the results of previous steps. |
| 23:57.51 | JunoDewar | Vasistha: I just did, and it screwed up my actual time again :( |
| 23:57.58 | evilgeek | bzed: cool. is there a document discussing checkinstall? |
| 23:58.01 | Enverex | evilgeek, What, starting exim, hplip and clamav couldn't be done at the same time? |
| 23:58.16 | evilgeek | Enverex: exim and clamav maybe not. |
| 23:58.39 | evilgeek | Enverex: it would seriously not be easy to pull it off, though. |
| 23:59.16 | Enverex | evilgeek, Gentoo does it and I'm sure at least a few other distros do it... |
| 23:59.41 | Enverex | On a side note, does KTorrent crash constantly for anyone else? |
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