| 00:00.04 | evilgeek | (there's also locking issues and so forth.) |
| 00:00.21 | JunoDewar | any other ideas about where can I change defitions of timezones? |
| 00:01.06 | bzed | evilgeek: apt-get install it and look in /usr/share/doc/checkinstall |
| 00:01.14 | JunoDewar | and why does it restarts xorg after time change? |
| 00:01.30 | jetscreamer | nuke kde, problem solved |
| 00:01.56 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: I'm fairly certain that changing the "definitions" for the timezones is not the correct approach. It sounds like the problem might be that you have your clock set to local time, but you have linux set up to interpret the clock's time as being UTC, or something of the sort. |
| 00:02.09 | torrr | jetscreamer, if I compile with make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 00:02.23 | torrr | jetscreamer, would the grub have an initrd line? |
| 00:02.26 | bzed | Enverex, evilgeek: there're a lot fo discussion on inproving the boot process, aI guess you wanna be at debconf7 to alk about it or just wait what lenny will bring ;) |
| 00:02.39 | torrr | jetscreamer, or should I do something more in order to have it? |
| 00:03.00 | Vasistha | torrr: that should take care of it automatically, I *think* |
| 00:03.16 | ugly | dondelelcaro: should I be running ulimit on the shell that strace is running from or the shell that Xorg is? |
| 00:03.18 | dErFF | how can i change my debian color depth to 16bit? |
| 00:03.23 | jetscreamer | torrr: yes when you install the .deb /usr/sbin/update-grub gets run, and magically adds the initrd line... less /etc/kernel-pkg.conf iirc... or kernel-img.conf.. one of the two |
| 00:03.25 | ugly | dondelelcaro: increasing the ulimit, that is |
| 00:03.38 | ugly | dondelelcaro: 'cause I get permission errors running it as a non-root user |
| 00:03.45 | jetscreamer | kernel-img.conf |
| 00:03.53 | dondelelcaro | ugly: from the shell that starts xorg; the easiest method may be to set it in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 00:03.54 | bugster | dErFF: you mean framebuffer ? |
| 00:03.55 | evilgeek | hm, checkinstall doesn't seem to exist on debian stable. any idea why? |
| 00:04.02 | ugly | dondelelcaro: ah ok, thanks |
| 00:04.08 | cafuego | !info checkinstall etch |
| 00:04.13 | dErFF | yah |
| 00:04.24 | JunoDewar | Vasistha: yea, that's probably it(if I set it to UTC timezone it displays it correctly) but what should I do? |
| 00:04.26 | Enverex | hmm, all Linux torrent clients seem to suck other than Azeurus which is horribly bloated and doesn't work on amd64 :/ |
| 00:04.29 | torrr | jetscreamer, the make-kpkg run /sbin/update-grub in the ennd |
| 00:04.44 | dErFF | b/c before i edited my video settings using a "dpkg-reconfigure .." command and lost the site for that command |
| 00:04.45 | bugster | dErFF: fbset -depth 16 or fbset -a -depth 16 |
| 00:04.57 | evilgeek | bzed: nah. i don't actually care enough about debian to do that --- i just use debian because it works and it doesn't break often enough to make me switch to something else. |
| 00:05.10 | Vasistha | evilgeek: I heard someone talking about that here a month or so again -- it's because checkinstall doesn't work as well as the debian maintainers would like. Would you like me to look for that old conversation? |
| 00:05.16 | bugster | dErFF: the formet only for the current console/terminal, the latter for all |
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| 00:05.36 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: well ... somewhere there's a bit set that says that the clock is set to UTC ... I'm not sure how to change it |
| 00:05.45 | jetscreamer | torrr: no, dpkg -i 'ing the .deb that make-kpkg created for you in ../ will |
| 00:05.49 | JunoDewar | Yesterday everything was fine |
| 00:05.49 | evilgeek | Vasistha: yeah, if you would. |
| 00:05.59 | bugster | why is fbcon builtin as default in linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ? |
| 00:06.01 | bugster | shite |
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| 00:06.20 | ekimus | Enverex: what about the original BT client (the python thing iirc) |
| 00:06.32 | bugster | switching to vga mode with con2fbmap is not working |
| 00:06.45 | Guerin | mainline bittorrent is the suck |
| 00:06.47 | JunoDewar | I just changed time and suddenly it decided it's UTC for some reason |
| 00:06.49 | Vasistha | JunoDewar: man tzconfig, read the section at the beginning, "a word of warning" -- you may just need to to toggle something there |
| 00:06.50 | Guerin | rtorrent is the win |
| 00:07.03 | Guerin | i hear tell that transmission is good, too, but its curses UI is nonexistent |
| 00:07.12 | bugster | it tells me all terminals are mapped to /dev/fb1 |
| 00:07.16 | Enverex | ekimus, That's incredibly basic |
| 00:07.19 | xoz | transmission is lite and fast |
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| 00:07.25 | Enverex | Guerin, The interface is a nightmare |
| 00:07.30 | Guerin | Enverex: which? |
| 00:07.36 | Enverex | Guerin, rtorrent |
| 00:07.46 | Guerin | Enverex: bollocks, it's great. |
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| 00:07.50 | bugster | though i told fbcon=map:4 |
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| 00:07.58 | Enverex | Guerin, Sure, if you like using Vi |
| 00:08.00 | ekimus | Enverex: is that a bad thing bt... <filename> and it does the rest for you...or is there a problem with that? |
| 00:08.01 | Guerin | the only things it lacks are DHT and superseeding, which are chrome anyhow |
| 00:08.09 | Enverex | KTorrent is nice, but it loads most of KDEs libs when you run it and for some reason it keeps crashing my machine lately |
| 00:08.17 | Guerin | Enverex: oh, so you're biased against things which aren't gui. Move along. |
| 00:08.27 | Enverex | Guerin, Shut up |
| 00:08.29 | bugster | even fbcon=map:0123,map:vc:0-8,scrollback:128k will not work |
| 00:08.31 | Guerin | Enverex: you can't run X apps in screen(1) |
| 00:08.36 | garo | Does toolame have disadvantages (compared to lame) ? |
| 00:08.39 | Enverex | ekimus, Well yeah, I need control over bandwidth uses and preferably DHT |
| 00:08.47 | Enverex | Guerin, Why would I want to? |
| 00:08.55 | ekimus | Enverex: i know there's torrentflux which is a php webapp |
| 00:08.59 | Guerin | Enverex: so your torrent sessions persist when you kill x |
| 00:09.07 | bugster | it does not matter if i use vga=bla or not |
| 00:09.14 | Enverex | Guerin, ... right... can't say I kill X all that often you know |
| 00:09.21 | Guerin | Enverex: I do. |
| 00:09.21 | stoned | dong |
| 00:09.28 | stoned | oops |
| 00:09.32 | stoned | modem. |
| 00:09.35 | bugster | !dict gcide |
| 00:09.37 | dpkg | could not find definition for gcide |
| 00:09.39 | jetscreamer | stoned likes dongs zomg |
| 00:09.42 | ekimus | Enverex: for bandwith you could do some QoS stuff which is nice and for DHT no idea what that is |
| 00:09.44 | bugster | !dict moby |
| 00:09.45 | jetscreamer | genocide |
| 00:09.47 | stoned | I meant to say ding |
| 00:09.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'moby' (1 of 9): 4. In backgammon, doubles on the dice, as in "moby sixes", "moby ones", etc. Compare this with bignum: double sixes are both bignums and moby sixes, but moby ones are not bignums (the use of "moby" to describe double ones is sarcastic).. |
| 00:10.02 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 00:10.02 | dpkg | [msg the bot] please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 00:10.07 | bugster | ah ok |
| 00:10.12 | bugster | then moby even |
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| 00:10.16 | bugster | lol |
| 00:10.34 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah ding that's it... ding a ling... (you won't catch me playin with my ding a ling a ling) |
| 00:10.54 | stoned | jetscreamer: sick twister man. |
| 00:11.00 | stoned | twistedi |
| 00:11.07 | Enverex | ekimus, hrm, Deluge seems to support DHT (despite the fact it doesn't say anywhere other than the status bar) so it may be what I need. Thanks anyway, |
| 00:11.07 | stoned | oh fuck man fuck this keyboard goddamit |
| 00:11.11 | jetscreamer | stoned: yeh |
| 00:11.28 | stoned | jetscreamer: im about to pass out man |
| 00:11.28 | jetscreamer | stoned: that was a real song btw |
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| 00:12.01 | stoned | gotta catch up on 1 weeks worth of no sleep and too much work |
| 00:12.11 | stoned | im of f |
| 00:12.11 | jetscreamer | oh chuck berry? http://www.lyricsdepot.com/chuck-berry/my-ding-a-ling.html |
| 00:12.15 | jetscreamer | cya |
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| 00:12.37 | stoned | chuck berry's a dong licker, just like neil young |
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| 00:12.41 | stoned | im out. |
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| 00:13.11 | Guerin | chuck berry and neil young |
| 00:13.26 | torrr | jetscreamer, I have added initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18 after it failed on startup and then it loaded fine |
| 00:13.29 | Guerin | i never knew stoned had good taste in music |
| 00:13.30 | userasmlkl | Are there usb sticks that cannot be turned into bootable ones? |
| 00:13.49 | Soccrmastr | if theyre too small |
| 00:13.51 | stoned | Guerin: you don't know me :) |
| 00:13.52 | torrr | jetscreamer, I think this means that the addition of this line is somehow broken |
| 00:13.53 | jetscreamer | torrr: then your original one needed something else compiled in (Y) |
| 00:14.07 | Guerin | stoned: all I know is that you like teh shred |
| 00:14.20 | torrr | jetscreamer, what/ |
| 00:14.23 | torrr | jetscreamer, what? |
| 00:14.23 | stoned | Guerin: that isn't all I like. don't pidgeon hole me :) |
| 00:14.31 | jetscreamer | torrr: i don't know exactly what... |
| 00:14.32 | Vasistha | evilgeek: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 00:14.34 | bzed | cafuego: seems it was removed from etch for some reason. but checkinstall is in testing again.... |
| 00:14.39 | Guerin | stoned: ;) |
| 00:14.45 | jetscreamer | torrr: fs support? cpu |
| 00:14.49 | jetscreamer | ? i dunno |
| 00:14.49 | torrr | jetscreamer, I didn't understand what you mean |
| 00:14.52 | bzed | evilgeek: you could also just install to /usr/local, and probably use stow to manage /usr/local |
| 00:15.08 | jetscreamer | torrr: i mean you screwed up the menuconfigging :) |
| 00:15.13 | jetscreamer | for non-initrd |
| 00:15.15 | torrr | jetscreamer, I did a pentium M cpu |
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| 00:15.31 | stoned | spider man 3 kicked booty |
| 00:15.37 | torrr | jetscreamer, but why didn't this initrd line get into the grub meue.lst |
| 00:15.37 | jetscreamer | torrr: i don't know exactly what you didn't say Y to... just that it seems that you missed |
| 00:15.39 | stoned | even more than the release of etch |
| 00:15.50 | stoned | and etch release was booty kickin too |
| 00:15.51 | jetscreamer | torrr: did you compile with make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 00:15.57 | torrr | jetscreamer, ah I understand what you mean |
| 00:16.03 | torrr | jetscreamer, yes, I think I did |
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| 00:16.11 | torrr | jetscreamer, yes, I think I did compile with --initrd |
| 00:16.22 | evilgeek | bzed: yeah, but that seems barbaric. |
| 00:16.36 | torrr | jetscreamer, though I am so tired :~ |
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| 00:16.45 | jetscreamer | torrr: you might not have, if you did though, you might check /etc/kernel-img.conf and/or the supporting grub programs |
| 00:16.46 | evilgeek | (this was what i was initially going to do, but then i decided it was barbaric and i'd do something more debian-like.) |
| 00:17.05 | bugster | !seen barby_eric |
| 00:17.06 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'barby_eric', bugster |
| 00:17.11 | torrr | lets see |
| 00:17.16 | jetscreamer | torrr: i'm not trying to dis you, but you 'probably' didn't add --initrd ... |
| 00:17.24 | edju | What package is xine-check a part of? |
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| 00:17.40 | jetscreamer | it used to be xine-ui-dev or so |
| 00:17.44 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 00:17.44 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 00:18.34 | torrr | jetscreamer, there is a do-initrd=yes in there |
| 00:18.41 | xoz | torrr: grub-update or something like that should have edited your menu everytime there is a new kernel installed. but better check the menuconfig everytime you install new kernel to make sure the changes are correct. |
| 00:18.49 | jetscreamer | torrr: the last ones, the hooks.. at the bottom |
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| 00:19.24 | jetscreamer | update-grub iirc |
| 00:19.36 | torrr | jetscreamer, the last hook is update-grub yes |
| 00:19.39 | aldin | how to set up pppoe server? |
| 00:19.42 | jetscreamer | edju: xine-ui: usr/bin/xine-check |
| 00:19.49 | ugly | dondelelcaro: for the life of me, I can't get X to dump cores - I set the ulimit on core to unlimited and I've sent sig 3 to the process - shouldn't it dump a core even if it hasn't frozen if I give it the signal? |
| 00:19.58 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I've tried 3, 5, and 11.. |
| 00:20.13 | jetscreamer | torrr: you 'probably' didn't add --initrd to make-kpkg.. or your system is borked beyond belief.. :) hth |
| 00:20.31 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I've enabled NoTrapSignals as well... |
| 00:20.35 | torrr | jetscreamer, it is a brand new etch |
| 00:20.43 | jetscreamer | torrr: like i said... |
| 00:21.03 | xoz | torrr: what's the problem? just add initrd in grub menu.list. |
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| 00:21.22 | jetscreamer | torrr: i'm trying really hard not to come straight out and tell you 'no you probably fucked up and didn't add it, and also didn't compile in stuff you needed...' |
| 00:21.22 | torrr | jetscreamer, I thought having do-initrd=yes means that I did --initrd |
| 00:21.41 | jetscreamer | torrr: ah no, it means it will do it if needed |
| 00:21.46 | Vasistha | !checkinstall |
| 00:21.46 | dpkg | from memory, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 00:21.54 | torrr | jetscreamer, ok |
| 00:22.44 | torrr | jetscreamer, maybe I am tired and forgot to put it in for the 4th time or so... anything is possible at this late hour |
| 00:22.44 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 00:22.44 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:22.44 | evilgeek | Vasistha: hm. that discussion doesn't quite answer my question --- it seems like checkinstall was removed because of its conflicts with debian policy, rather than its merits. |
| 00:22.45 | bushblows | I am compiling my own kernel, when I do mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18.3-default1 2.6.18.3-default1 I get " cannot open: /proc/bus/data/devices fatal" |
| 00:22.45 | jetscreamer | ~kp |
| 00:22.57 | apt | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' |
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| 00:23.01 | jetscreamer | bushblows: why not use make-kpkg |
| 00:23.37 | bushblows | i dont know, so I would just replace mkinitrd.yaird -o with make-kpkg |
| 00:23.40 | bushblows | or leave the -o |
| 00:23.53 | jetscreamer | bushblows: no it's a different method of compiling a kernel |
| 00:23.59 | xoz | bushblows: where did you get this kernel? |
| 00:24.06 | bushblows | kernel.org |
| 00:24.09 | jetscreamer | he did it himself |
| 00:25.06 | bushblows | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.3.tar.bz2 |
| 00:26.27 | Vasistha | evilgeek: hum. It does appear from that discussion that it was removed due to policy -- were you looking for another answer? (I probably don't have it) |
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| 00:27.13 | jetscreamer | why would you compile -3 |
| 00:27.22 | jetscreamer | when kernel.org has -7 |
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| 00:27.54 | evilgeek | Vasistha: (and i'm still oblivious how one creates a debian package just from a bunch of binaries. i always thought debian packages were a "put this file here and this file here and then run these scripts" affair, but it appears that no mechanism remains for doing such a thing.) |
| 00:27.58 | bushblows | I dont know, maybe I will do 7 |
| 00:28.26 | torrr | how do I know which driver my lan chip use? |
| 00:28.34 | evilgeek | Vasistha: i'm not particularly attached to checkinstall. i just want debian to manage a set of files in a reasonable way, so that i don't have to clutter /usr/local more than it's already cluttered. |
| 00:28.40 | jetscreamer | or use the latest 2.6.18 source from pdo |
| 00:29.03 | Vasistha | evilgeek: yeah... I'm oblivious, myself. Did you check out the new maintainer's guide? Kinda overkill for your simple task, but I'm not sure where else to look :P |
| 00:29.06 | evilgeek | (i'm not particularly attached since i've never used it.) |
| 00:29.27 | evilgeek | i did check the new maintainers' guide. it doesn't seem to discuss such things, though. |
| 00:29.44 | evilgeek | or maybe it does but it's hidden amidst all of the other details that it discusses. |
| 00:30.05 | Vasistha | evilgeek: I suspect the latter :P |
| 00:30.41 | evilgeek | (why *is* it so complicated, anyway?) |
| 00:30.59 | Vasistha | I think it's only complicated because noone has documented it well :P |
| 00:31.23 | Vasistha | I had always thought dpkg-buildpackage was the solution ... but maybe it's quite a bit more complicated than that |
| 00:31.36 | Vasistha | evilgeek: of couse, you could also do a simple sid backport of checkinstall |
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| 00:31.57 | evilgeek | i could, but i don't actually know whether checkinstall suits my needs. |
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| 00:32.17 | Vasistha | yeah, that's a lotta work when you don't even know if it's going to do what you want |
| 00:32.27 | krenin | Hello, I can't get my etch packages to authenticate; what do I need to install or set up to get them to authenticate? |
| 00:32.40 | jetscreamer | !etch key |
| 00:32.41 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 00:32.52 | jetscreamer | krenin: ^^ probably |
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| 00:33.46 | krenin | jetscreamer: thanks, is there a different thing required to get apt-build to do verification? |
| 00:33.48 | bugster | krenin: look for the gpg keys and import them with gpg --armor --import bla from where the keys are originating |
| 00:34.02 | evilgeek | eh. sod it. /usr/local it is. |
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| 00:34.27 | bugster | or look for a gpg key server |
| 00:34.47 | krenin | does apt-build use the same keyring as apt |
| 00:34.51 | krenin | apt-get i mean |
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| 00:36.23 | edju | I can play some commercial dvds, and not others. All are region 1, and I have libdvdcss. Perms in /dev are correct. Anything obvious I can look at? |
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| 00:36.59 | dondelelcaro | edju: are you using xine or mplayer? |
| 00:37.12 | dondelelcaro | ugly: depends on how it's frozen |
| 00:37.25 | dondelelcaro | ugly: you should at lesat be able to strace it and/or attach gdb to it |
| 00:37.35 | edju | dondelelcaro, xine. But I can't mount them either. |
| 00:38.03 | dondelelcaro | edju: oh; if you can't mount them, check dmesg. |
| 00:38.21 | ugly | dondelelcaro: well, I'd certainly like to gdb to it, but I still don't know what dbg packages it needs as the one you mentioned is not available in testing |
| 00:38.23 | dondelelcaro | if you can't mount them, there's really nothing that the media player can do |
| 00:38.35 | dondelelcaro | ugly: there aren't any for that version that I can see |
| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | ugly: there used to be a statically built -dbg package, but I don't see it. Regardless, the symbols aren't entirely necessary to see what it's running |
| 00:39.15 | dondelelcaro | (although, they do help a whole bunch) |
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| 00:40.29 | jetscreamer | edju: use mplayer -dvd-device /home/user/movie.iso |
| 00:40.36 | jetscreamer | or whatever path |
| 00:40.55 | jetscreamer | i prefer mounting the .iso and using xine myself though |
| 00:41.15 | Sryche | use cdemu |
| 00:41.24 | edju | dondelelcaro, Says no tracks I recognoze. |
| 00:41.35 | edju | er, recognize |
| 00:41.55 | jetscreamer | make that -dvd-device /path/to/iso dvd://1 rather |
| 00:42.05 | edju | and /proc/ide/hd?/settings interface is obsolete |
| 00:42.25 | jetscreamer | edju: they have come out with different encryption schemes btw... some dvd's are not css but something else |
| 00:42.30 | edju | jetscreamer, I can't mount a commercila dvd |
| 00:42.53 | jetscreamer | edju: are you doing it as root or via sudo and using -o loop ? |
| 00:43.04 | edju | jetscreamer, really? Any decrypters for that? |
| 00:43.41 | jetscreamer | edju: there are, but i don't even know the names of the schemes.. nor if there are linux variants. i've had success in windows with em :/ |
| 00:44.11 | jetscreamer | edju: are you 'mounting' it as root or via sudo and using -o loop ? |
| 00:44.13 | jetscreamer | rather |
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| 00:44.23 | edju | jetscreamer, Ah, well, I dont have windows. |
| 00:44.26 | ekimus | convmv - the lifesaver tool :) |
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| 00:44.34 | jetscreamer | edju: i do but i never boot it |
| 00:45.01 | jetscreamer | edju: and that success story was a while ago, bound to be some linux tools for it/them |
| 00:45.26 | jetscreamer | try the mplayer -dvd-device one |
| 00:45.32 | jetscreamer | see if it works |
| 00:45.54 | edju | jetscreamer, Loop? I cannot mount a commercial dvd. |
| 00:46.00 | jetscreamer | oh oh |
| 00:46.10 | jetscreamer | i was thinking iso OF a dvd.... |
| 00:46.18 | edju | Nope. |
| 00:46.22 | jetscreamer | nm :/ |
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| 00:46.27 | jetscreamer | but yeah |
| 00:46.46 | jetscreamer | i have some dvd's, that i bought, won't work in linux... will on my standalone though |
| 00:46.47 | Trewas | arccos is the name of the new dvd copy protection system, there's some info in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARccOS |
| 00:46.54 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 00:47.39 | edju | Trewas, Linux version? |
| 00:47.59 | JunoDewar | can someone check how their /etc/localtime looks like? mine is absent and I need to copy timezone manually because tzconfig changes my system time unnecessarily |
| 00:48.07 | Trewas | well, maybe there's some even newer because the wikipedia page says sony does not use that one anymore :) |
| 00:48.31 | jetscreamer | yeah but it says disney does/has some |
| 00:48.35 | jetscreamer | and others |
| 00:49.08 | edju | Why are those people so afraid that someone's going to copy their precious dvds? |
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| 00:49.32 | edju | Every one I have I bought. |
| 00:49.37 | jetscreamer | because they want all they can get (money) |
| 00:49.54 | jetscreamer | and ppl 'do' pirate them |
| 00:50.21 | edju | They're being pirated anyway - try China. |
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| 00:50.47 | Trewas | and in teh internets, try piratebay etc :) |
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| 00:50.53 | jetscreamer | oop almost time for law&order |
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| 00:51.03 | jetscreamer | <--addict |
| 00:51.09 | jetscreamer | speaking of torrents... |
| 00:51.12 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: isn't that every hour of every day on 5 channels? |
| 00:51.25 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: not anymore :/ |
| 00:51.35 | jetscreamer | jsut half the day |
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| 00:52.55 | krenin | Will an "apt-build upgrade" work just like an "apt-get upgrade" except build the packages as it goes along? |
| 00:54.16 | ekimus | anyone knows a tool that will show which encoding was used for a file (the filename itself not the content) |
| 00:56.01 | jetscreamer | ah the utf-8 bork guy |
| 00:56.37 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: maybe you know.. he's trying hard, not spamming.... it's beyond me though. |
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| 00:57.37 | esaym | how do I properly set up "/etc/cron.daily/apt"? Do I need to uncomment all the "stuff" up at the top???? |
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| 00:57.56 | ribasushi | hi |
| 00:58.06 | ribasushi | how do I teach iceweasel to open icedove when I click on an email link |
| 00:58.11 | ekimus | esaym: are you using cron-apt? |
| 00:59.01 | dondelelcaro | esaym: you set it in the configuration file(s) for apt |
| 00:59.11 | Soccrmastr | hey guys, I just ran apt-get dist-upgrade, assuming it was the same as Ubuntu. but it is tryign to install the same kernel which is already installed? is this usually happen? |
| 00:59.16 | dondelelcaro | esaym: but you're probably better off using cron-apt |
| 00:59.37 | dondelelcaro | Soccrmastr: there is a security update in stable, which will install a newer version of that kernel |
| 01:00.21 | jetscreamer | the numbering scheme is weird though nowadays... it will say 2.6.18-1 in the list, but really be 2.6.18-4 or whatever |
| 01:00.41 | jetscreamer | as in package list |
| 01:00.47 | Soccrmastr | so what do you mean, I should just run apt-get upgrade instead? |
| 01:00.51 | ekimus | once upon a time there even was a distinction between stable and unstable :) |
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| 01:01.10 | jetscreamer | Soccrmastr: imo, and it's just imo, dist-upgrade and let it do it's thing |
| 01:01.14 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 01:01.14 | ekimus | Soccrmastr: it means the update is ok, because a bug was found the kernel is replaced with a version where it's fixed |
| 01:01.21 | Soccrmastr | oh ok |
| 01:01.26 | jetscreamer | linux-headers and linux-image will do that error also |
| 01:01.42 | jetscreamer | together i mean |
| 01:01.48 | jetscreamer | or used to |
| 01:02.09 | jetscreamer | i took to doing one at a time for a while |
| 01:03.02 | jetscreamer | (maybe i tried to say 'minor version #'s don't seem to get parsed by that error handler' but no idea) |
| 01:03.27 | esaym | cron-apt? what the heck |
| 01:03.38 | jetscreamer | i've used cron-apt for years |
| 01:03.43 | jetscreamer | 2 or so |
| 01:03.47 | jetscreamer | !info cron-apt |
| 01:03.51 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.14 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 01:03.59 | jetscreamer | all it does by default is d/l the updated packages |
| 01:04.04 | jetscreamer | apt-get -d |
| 01:04.15 | Soccrmastr | I've got another problem. my mouse was very slow, so I changed mouse acceleration in XFCE settings, didnt work. I am trying xset m X X in many combinations and none are working. what config file can I edit to make the sensitivty/acceleration greater? |
| 01:04.20 | jetscreamer | i guess it could install them also, but ugh in sid? :) |
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| 01:05.01 | jetscreamer | ok 8pm l&o time |
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| 01:05.12 | esaym | jetscreamer: I only want to update the package list (apt-get update) can it just do that? |
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| 01:09.53 | esaym | hmm cron-apt seems complicated |
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| 01:10.49 | turffy | hi im trying to make my winmodem work in my Thinkpad R50e, i just installed the driver I got from linuxsant and have successfully installed it but I could not see the icon of my modem under networking setting am I missing something? |
| 01:10.57 | esaym | "/etc/cron.daily/apt" just seems simpler? |
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| 01:11.14 | turffy | bytheway I have this work using ubuntu |
| 01:12.12 | Soccrmastr | did you try the terminal command? |
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| 01:12.40 | turffy | terminal command? |
| 01:12.41 | borgy | in order to cross compile does the host version of glibc and gcc have to be the same with the target's version? |
| 01:12.54 | Soccrmastr | as in I mean is there a terminal command where you can specify without having to select it from the GUI |
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| 01:13.23 | mnguyen | how do I open a port in my firewall? I just recently installed debian etch... |
| 01:13.39 | turffy | Soccrmastr: are you refering to wvdail? |
| 01:13.46 | Soccrmastr | nevermind |
| 01:15.29 | asg | mnguyen: which firewall are you using? |
| 01:17.00 | mnguyen | asg: isn't the firewall turned on by default? iptables? |
| 01:17.12 | asg | mnguyen: no, it isn't |
| 01:17.20 | mnguyen | oh... |
| 01:17.59 | mnguyen | asg: how do i turn it on? |
| 01:18.35 | asg | mnguyen: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 01:19.14 | mnguyen | asg: heh okay thanks. also how do i turn on the SSH daemon? |
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| 01:19.36 | asg | mnguyen: if you didn't install it, do so (apt-get install openssh-server) |
| 01:19.38 | turffy | hi how can I add the icon of my modem under Networking settings, I have just installed the driver? |
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| 01:20.00 | ekimus | mnguyen: aptitude show ssh openssh-client openssh-server |
| 01:20.12 | asg | mnguyen: if you don't want to hand-hack your iptables rules, there are higher-level config utilities such as shorewall or firehol that can help. |
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| 01:20.19 | siimo | turffy: you need to create a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/ look at an existing one to get the idea |
| 01:20.32 | mnguyen | asg: so i should do apt-get install shorewall |
| 01:20.33 | mnguyen | ? |
| 01:20.48 | asg | mnguyen: no, you should apt-cache show shorewall |
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| 01:21.00 | asg | mnguyen: then read the description to see if it seems like something that you want |
| 01:21.19 | asg | mnguyen: same with firehol. |
| 01:22.56 | mnguyen | asg: what's the default dhcp client on debian? i tried dhcpcd no go.. |
| 01:25.52 | lontra | mnguyen: dhclient <interface> |
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| 01:28.15 | asg | mnguyen: if you need to find something, the following commands will help you: 'apt-cache search <keywords>' ; apropos <keywords> ; locate <item> |
| 01:28.17 | liable | dhcpd is the daemon |
| 01:28.36 | liable | dhclient is the client |
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| 01:37.45 | esaym | how do I set syslog so that all the log files in /var/log can be read by non root users? |
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| 01:38.46 | asg | esaym: all non-root users, or just a few? |
| 01:40.25 | [Cadet] | esaym: Most can already be read by non-root, for the ones which cannot you could always add the users to the adm group |
| 01:41.25 | asg | [Cadet]: that still won't allow all the logs (i.e. auth.log) to be read, though that's a good thing. |
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| 01:42.03 | [Cadet] | asg: Yes it will, or at least on this new etch |
| 01:42.07 | lontra | *cough cough* i mean icedove 2.0 |
| 01:42.14 | [Cadet] | adm has r on ath.log |
| 01:42.24 | asg | [Cadet]: ewww |
| 01:42.32 | [Cadet] | auth.log that is |
| 01:42.48 | asg | [Cadet]: yeah |
| 01:44.07 | esaym | asg: and [Cadet]: yes all non root users |
| 01:44.08 | asg | [Cadet]: for years, I've become used to making that root.root by default on my systems that I forgot the default. My mistake. |
| 01:44.17 | esaym | most of the files are in the root group |
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| 01:44.53 | [Cadet] | esaym: Yes, but most of world/other set to +r |
| 01:45.14 | esaym | ? |
| 01:45.55 | esaym | Ok i just noticed that the files are all in the admin group opps |
| 01:45.59 | [Cadet] | esaym: I meant to say that while they are root:root, most have +r for world. The ones which do not are like root:adm. Adding users to the adm group will allow those users to read those logs |
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| 01:46.32 | esaym | so just add the user to adm will work? Nothing bad can happen? :p |
| 01:46.36 | [Cadet] | esaym: Probably not a good thing unless it is a small system with not that many users |
| 01:46.49 | esaym | I'm the only user actually... |
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| 01:46.59 | asg | esaym: then add yourself to the adm group |
| 01:47.07 | [Cadet] | Then yes, if you want to read them add yourself to adm |
| 01:47.09 | esaym | but what all does adding a user to the adm group do? |
| 01:47.26 | asg | esaym: to verify that adm doesn't have access to files besides those in /var/log, run 'find / -group adm' |
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| 01:47.50 | asg | esaym: allows that user to effectively have the privileges of that group |
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| 01:48.17 | asg | esaym: for a good overview on unix permissions, /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 01:49.00 | esaym | ok thank yalll |
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| 01:50.52 | rubybur | hello, I need a manual or tutorial to install a "debian live" cd. I found how I can do the opposite: create an iso with live-package, but not the inverse |
| 01:51.10 | esaym | hmm to add the user to group it would be "useradd -G adm user" right?? Says it is already added...hm |
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| 01:52.09 | asg | esaym: or adduser <user> <group> |
| 01:52.35 | asg | esaym: you have to logout and login again for it to take effect (or su - <yourself>) |
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| 01:53.25 | asg | rubybur: you mean install to a hard disk from the running image on a live cd? |
| 01:53.40 | esaym | ash thatnks |
| 01:53.44 | asg | esaym: you're welcome |
| 01:54.57 | naught101 | can anyone tell me if the bit about editing /etc/init.d/sysklogd about 1/3 of the way down on http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_bind9_master_slave_system is different on etch to what it was on sarge? |
| 01:55.08 | naught101 | I can't find http://www.freeos.com/articles/3956/ |
| 01:55.20 | naught101 | I mean, I can't find SYSLOGD="" |
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| 01:55.54 | asg | naught101: it's in /etc/default/syslogd now iirc |
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| 01:56.47 | jmd | Can anyone recommend an interactive version of du |
| 01:56.55 | jmd | that doesn't require X ? |
| 01:56.59 | asg | jmd: mc |
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| 01:57.17 | jmd | I though that was a file manager. |
| 01:57.32 | asg | jmd: it is. |
| 01:57.46 | asg | jmd: can you explain what 'interactive du' means? |
| 01:58.08 | jmd | Something similar to filelight |
| 01:58.19 | naught101 | cool |
| 01:58.38 | jzxu | is there any way I can figure out if drive read errors are due to a bad drive or just inconsistent fs entries? |
| 01:58.47 | jmd | fsck |
| 01:58.51 | asg | jmd: oh, mc probably can replicate that via sorting. |
| 01:59.07 | jmd | asg, OK. I'll look into mc |
| 01:59.08 | naught101 | thanks asg |
| 01:59.08 | asg | jzxu: well, reboot the box and fsck the filesystems |
| 01:59.12 | asg | naught101: you're welcome |
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| 01:59.33 | asg | jzxu: if you still get errors, its probably the drive, cable, or controller. Reseating and reconnecting may also help. |
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| 02:02.21 | jzxu | asg: actually I just did a mke2fs on the partition |
| 02:02.25 | kramed | is there an adobe acrobat repo, kpdf is having problems tonight |
| 02:02.46 | asg | kramed: you could install xpdf or evince instead |
| 02:02.46 | jzxu | I want a way to "exercise" the drive to make sure that errors won't be introduced consistently in the future |
| 02:03.04 | kramed | I just tried xpdf and its terrible. ill try evince, thanks |
| 02:03.08 | jzxu | right now fsck is not returning errors |
| 02:03.34 | kramed | doh evince is gnome. requires 20 libs |
| 02:03.35 | asg | jzxu: you could dd some random data to the drive and see if it has issues at any particular place. |
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| 02:04.08 | asg | kramed: but you are willing to install 30M of adobe crap? |
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| 02:04.19 | spaz | hmm... |
| 02:04.22 | esaym | crontab is in 24hour format right? |
| 02:04.22 | kramed | haha. point taken |
| 02:04.27 | jzxu | asg: so I would do like dd -if=some_file of=/dev/hda3 ? |
| 02:04.28 | spaz | i can't boot my debian machine |
| 02:04.47 | spaz | i used debootstrap to install it, i installed the kernel with apt-get, etc... |
| 02:04.50 | kramed | that one cut me deep. gnome or adobe, hmmm |
| 02:04.51 | asg | jzxu: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda3 (**NOTE, make sure /dev/hda3 doesn't have anything on it you don't need.) |
| 02:04.52 | spaz | now i try to boot it |
| 02:05.04 | asg | esaym: yes |
| 02:05.05 | spaz | and it hangs at "checking for root file system" |
| 02:05.05 | jzxu | asg: great, thanks |
| 02:05.39 | spaz | *waiting for root file system |
| 02:05.42 | spaz | >_> |
| 02:05.49 | spaz | any ideas? |
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| 02:08.26 | jzxu | asg: so how would I know if there are errors? |
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| 02:11.03 | asg | jzxu: look in /var/log/syslog |
| 02:11.19 | asg | jzxu: if there are errors, they will be obvious |
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| 02:13.24 | ironfroggy | Could anyone have an idea why my mouse device is missing? |
| 02:13.28 | ironfroggy | What could cause it? |
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| 02:14.42 | liable | ironfroggy: modprobe mousedev |
| 02:15.01 | ribasushi | which setting in iceweasel controls what happens when one clikcs on a mailto: link ? |
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| 02:15.13 | Lord_Jables | haha |
| 02:16.04 | ironfroggy | liable: not found |
| 02:16.05 | spaz | >_> |
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| 02:18.02 | liable | ironfroggy: hrm |
| 02:19.04 | ironfroggy | i managed to get X started (it was failing to even initiate) but still not recognizing any mouse. |
| 02:19.09 | liable | did they change it, i only have psmouse now |
| 02:19.10 | ribasushi | anyone? |
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| 02:19.30 | dErFF | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:19.39 | asg | ribasushi: type 'about:config' in the url bar and there should be an option |
| 02:19.57 | ribasushi | asg: went all over the thing - can't find it :( |
| 02:20.08 | ironfroggy | dErFF: already did that. |
| 02:20.19 | ribasushi | asg: right now when I click nothing happens, although I have )and use) icedove |
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| 02:22.37 | mystic_source | do you guys know some good place that sell linux pyjamas? |
| 02:22.50 | ribasushi | this is... wrong |
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| 02:23.33 | asymmetry | sup? |
| 02:24.12 | asg | mystic_source: cafepress.com (if any place does) |
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| 02:37.26 | mystic_source | asg :x |
| 02:37.54 | streuner | liable: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:BiB_%2B_Krug.jpg - 25 liter ;-) |
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| 02:38.18 | mystic_source | asg i know it have just dont know where lol |
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| 02:41.08 | liable | streuner: 25 litre mug? |
| 02:41.15 | liable | holy shit! |
| 02:41.40 | streuner | 25 liter beer :-) |
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| 02:44.43 | jzxu | asg: just to let you know, I found a program called smartctl that tests hard drive health |
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| 02:48.56 | asg | jzxu: cool |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 02:50.21 | asg | abrotman: ah, nightcap! bravo |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | asg: heh .. yay for beer! |
| 02:50.44 | asg | indeed, boo for extreme networks |
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| 02:51.09 | abrotman | why do they get a boo? |
| 02:51.14 | abrotman | thingfish: hiya |
| 02:51.40 | thingfish | hey abrotman, how goes it? |
| 02:51.42 | asg | abrotman: one of my dmz routers died a few hours ago. I've gone from 45Mb of bandwidth to 10. |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | thingfish: i just got back from Victory |
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| 02:52.08 | thingfish | abrotman: was it good? |
| 02:52.11 | abrotman | asg: how will you cope without porn ? |
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| 02:52.19 | abrotman | thingfish: good enough |
| 02:52.40 | asg | abrotman: I'll manage |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | asg: no backup? |
| 02:53.16 | asg | abrotman: yes, I have a backup |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | so put it there! |
| 02:53.55 | abrotman | asg: did the backup explode ? |
| 02:53.56 | asg | abrotman: that would require driving down there tonight and I don't feel like it. The secondary can get a load test until Monday |
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| 02:54.08 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | good plan! |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | asg: or send spoopin! |
| 02:55.14 | asg | abrotman: that would be mean. We'll wait till monday. We just replaced the thing on Thursday morning, though we both think it was a mislabled boneyard chassis with the mysterious "I'll power myself off for no reason" problem. |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | asg: there's alwyas a reason :) |
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| 02:56.05 | asg | abrotman: yes, reliable hardware is not a core competency of extreme network's alpine series gear |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | asg: have you heard of this company called linksys ? :) |
| 02:57.22 | asg | abrotman: cheap cisco kit |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | asg: it was a joke! |
| 02:57.47 | asg | abrotman: I know ;) |
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| 02:58.24 | abrotman | :kill the dogs |
| 02:58.24 | nzk | what package has the a2enmod program for etch |
| 02:58.26 | nzk | for apache2 |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | ack |
| 02:58.32 | asg | nzk: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | !tell nzk about search |
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| 02:58.39 | nzk | I did |
| 02:58.45 | Sweetandy | Is there a package with SMS-like messaging from computer to computer, but without being a chat program? For example I could send a message to a friend that pops up and stays on his computer for when he returns? |
| 02:58.53 | nzk | apt-cache search a2enmod |
| 02:58.56 | nzk | no results |
| 02:59.02 | abrotman | !tell nzk about search |
| 02:59.04 | asg | nzk: the bit about apt-file is particularly useful |
| 02:59.14 | dondelelcaro | Sweetandy: why not just send your friend an e-mail? |
| 02:59.31 | Sweetandy | I mean more like, computer to computer, and less with the necessity of an email check. |
| 02:59.39 | Sweetandy | Which requires a third computer |
| 03:00.05 | kairu0 | i've just ssh'd to a debian server and got "Your account has been locked. Please contact your System administrator" although i could login. any idea what happened? |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | linpopup ? |
| 03:00.38 | asg | Sweetandy: talk (though s/he will have to be running talkd) |
| 03:00.53 | j4cbo | Sweetandy: Bonjour messaging can do that as well; i think gaim supports it |
| 03:01.24 | nzk | abrotman, i did search |
| 03:01.29 | nzk | no results |
| 03:01.34 | nzk | I'm wondering if anyone here knows |
| 03:01.39 | asg | nzk: you didn't read the whole factoid |
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| 03:02.11 | abrotman | nzk: i'm going to keep having dpkg tell you that factoid until you read all of it |
| 03:02.17 | nzk | I did |
| 03:02.20 | asg | asg@grep:~$ apt-file search a2enmod |
| 03:02.20 | asg | apache2.2-common: usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 03:02.22 | asg | nzk: ^^ |
| 03:02.26 | asg | nzk: per the factoid |
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| 03:02.48 | abrotman | nzk: apparently your reading skills suck |
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| 03:05.04 | Sweetandy | Thanks, guys, I think I've figured it out now! |
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| 03:07.13 | nzk | How do I unzip something |
| 03:07.49 | asg | nzk: it depends on how it was zipped |
| 03:07.59 | nzk | A .zip |
| 03:08.00 | asg | nzk: what does 'file <thing>' say it is? |
| 03:08.07 | nzk | I tried to untar a tarball to no avail |
| 03:08.12 | nzk | hold on |
| 03:08.17 | dErFF | IS cp a way to copy files from one directory to another? |
| 03:08.19 | asg | nzk: /msg dpkg tar |
| 03:08.27 | asg | dErFF: yes |
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| 03:08.33 | nzk | phpBB-3.0.B5.zip: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract |
| 03:08.39 | dErFF | ok i wanna extra files rfrom my floppy to /var/www |
| 03:08.44 | dErFF | what command should i use |
| 03:08.49 | asg | nzk: /msg dpkg unzip |
| 03:08.54 | dErFF | i tried: cp A: |
| 03:09.02 | dErFF | cp A:\ var\wwww |
| 03:09.04 | dErFF | but no work |
| 03:09.22 | nzk | asg, bash: /msg: No such file or directory |
| 03:09.28 | asg | nzk: in your irc client |
| 03:09.31 | nzk | oh |
| 03:09.39 | asg | nzk: our bot will tell you things so we don't have to |
| 03:10.10 | shogunx | is it sunday already? |
| 03:10.28 | j4cbo | not here :) |
| 03:10.30 | asg | dErFF: I'd suggest buying an introductory book on Unix. Chapter 1 or 2 should cover the differences between Windows and Unix |
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| 03:11.32 | dErFF | umm, so ur saying cp doesnt work on linux? |
| 03:11.56 | asg | dErFF: of course it does, things like A: and A:\ don't |
| 03:12.10 | dErFF | aww |
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| 03:12.24 | asg | dErFF: mount /dev/floppy ; cp -ax /dev/floppy/* /var/www |
| 03:12.43 | dErFF | ok thanks mengz |
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| 03:14.41 | asg | s#dev#mnt# |
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| 03:16.30 | jetscreamer | # eh |
| 03:16.48 | jetscreamer | now that's hard to mistake for / ... dvorak or something? |
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| 03:20.34 | Sweetandy | dpkg doesn't seem to know much about the american civil war. |
| 03:20.44 | abrotman | why would the bot know anything about htat? |
| 03:20.49 | cafuego | can't blame it, after all, who cares? |
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| 03:21.19 | Sweetandy | cafuego: Indeed. |
| 03:21.29 | Sweetandy | abrotman: It knew stuff about zork! |
| 03:21.42 | jetscreamer | zork rocks |
| 03:21.56 | abrotman | zork is a computer game .. the civil war is not |
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| 03:21.57 | jetscreamer | but zork is a game |
| 03:22.02 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 03:22.16 | Sweetandy | zork1.dat |
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| 03:23.43 | jetscreamer | !tell maddash -about root |
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| 03:25.40 | maddash | jetscreamer: bite me. |
| 03:25.56 | jetscreamer | no to both of you |
| 03:26.06 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:26.09 | maddash | jetscreamer: actually, I'm logged in via an ssh tunnel to my school's server |
| 03:26.23 | jetscreamer | no thanks |
| 03:26.32 | jetscreamer | maybe when i'm done with what i have |
| 03:26.36 | maddash | yes please! |
| 03:26.43 | jetscreamer | 444 items |
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| 03:27.11 | jetscreamer | only like 5 or 6 zorks |
| 03:27.20 | Sweetandy | I have sorcerer enchanter and spellbreaker too, and leather goddesses somewhere |
| 03:27.26 | jetscreamer | 4 |
| 03:27.38 | hark | !ssh tunnel |
| 03:27.39 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
| 03:27.43 | hark | ;) |
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| 03:28.45 | maddash | hark: thanks. |
| 03:29.26 | maddash | hark: btw, I found the perfect WM |
| 03:29.36 | hark | again? ;p |
| 03:29.58 | hark | wait, gtg, back in an hour or so :) |
| 03:30.03 | maddash | hark: none. |
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| 03:31.56 | jzxu | is there a program that can filter rss feeds with regexes? |
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| 03:32.31 | tnks | Hi. I have init.d script that writes/unwrites a /forcefsck in case the power goes out. |
| 03:32.44 | tnks | Is there a way using kernel parameters? |
| 03:33.18 | tnks | RedHat seems to have interactive init.d scripts, which seems very non-Debian. |
| 03:34.05 | dondelelcaro | tnks: uh... you don't need to touch it; if it was unmounted cleanly, the drives will be fscked |
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| 03:43.19 | pablo_ | hi, i am using gcj, how should i set JAVA_HOME variable |
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| 03:47.53 | thingfish | etch is very nice |
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| 03:49.32 | pablo_ | how should i set JAVA_HOME variable? |
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| 03:51.57 | Sweetandy | how should I set the BROWSER variable? |
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| 03:54.11 | thingfish | Sweetandy: gnome? |
| 03:54.30 | Sweetandy | thingfish: Yeah |
| 03:54.37 | Sweetandy | thingfish: basically my default browser |
| 03:54.38 | Azar | hello honorables and kudos to "anthony" great server |
| 03:54.39 | thingfish | Sweetandy: gnome-control-center |
| 03:55.51 | thingfish | Sweetandy: gnome-control-center, and then Preferred Applications. |
| 03:56.28 | Sweetandy | THANK YOU |
| 03:56.29 | Sweetandy | OMG |
| 03:56.30 | Sweetandy | THANK YOU |
| 03:56.39 | thingfish | heh no problemo |
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| 03:58.56 | Patrick | After upgrading to Etch my system is still booting the old 2.4 Sarge Kernel. Should this happen ? |
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| 03:59.22 | Azar | it's only me that I see "google" almost on every place I surf? a subsection of my online work area, the "tools" shows up a search engine powered by google wtf is doing that there... |
| 03:59.34 | Rockj | hum, you can't setup PAM in apache2 to auth towards the shadow file without making apache2 be able to read the shadow file? :S |
| 04:01.01 | Azar | Patrick: did you upgraded to a 2.6.x kernel before dist-upgrade to Etch? |
| 04:01.22 | pablo_ | hi, somebody knows how to use gcj with ant? |
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| 04:01.57 | Azar | .... damn, everybody is at the pub |
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| 04:03.43 | Azar | thingfish |
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| 04:07.45 | thingfish | azar? |
| 04:07.45 | Azar | thingfish: thanks, I was testing my timing... |
| 04:07.50 | thingfish | hehe sorry was in the kitchen |
| 04:08.23 | Azar | n/p I thought something went wrong on my side |
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| 04:09.19 | Patrick | Hi Azar. No I didn't :-) |
| 04:09.28 | Patrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.28 | dpkg | ii | grep kernel gives 2.2-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:09.37 | Patrick | ii iptables 1.2.11-10 Linux kernel 2.4+ iptables administration to |
| 04:09.37 | Patrick | ii kernel-headers 2.4.27-10sarge Header files related to Linux kernel version |
| 04:09.37 | Patrick | ii kernel-headers 2.4.27-10sarge Linux 2.4.27 kernel headers for 386 |
| 04:09.37 | Patrick | ii kernel-image-2 2.4.27-10sarge Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on 386 |
| 04:09.37 | Patrick | ii linux-kernel-h 2.5.999-test7- Linux Kernel Headers for development |
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| 04:09.38 | ruben | what is the wat to have a C functions in the manual? I use man 3 getchar and I see No manual entry for getchar in section 3, any ideas? |
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| 04:09.46 | ruben | way* |
| 04:09.53 | Azar | Patrick: not good... not good |
| 04:10.01 | Azar | Patrick: well and.... it boots ok? |
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| 04:10.50 | Patrick | Weird - I got the message " You are kicked by debhelper (Reason: use the paster bot or #flood)". I'm new! What did I do wrong ? |
| 04:11.06 | Azar | Patrick: because you can't paste in this channel |
| 04:11.08 | j4cbo | Patrick: don't paste lots of lines into the channel |
| 04:11.09 | Azar | !paster |
| 04:11.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:11.13 | ruben | what is the wat to have a C functions in the manual? I use man 3 getchar and I see No manual entry for getchar in section 3, any ideas? |
| 04:11.39 | Azar | ruben: what is the "wat" ????? |
| 04:11.43 | ruben | way |
| 04:11.53 | ruben | 'method' |
| 04:11.59 | ruben | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.59 | ruben | No manual entry for getchar in section 3 |
| 04:12.10 | j4cbo | ruben: it should be in 3; sure you have the man pages installed? |
| 04:12.10 | ruben | why? it works on debian woody, why not in sid? |
| 04:12.17 | ruben | wicha package is? |
| 04:12.20 | ruben | wich |
| 04:12.25 | Azar | :) |
| 04:12.36 | Azar | never played with sid so deep |
| 04:12.43 | Patrick | Anyway - I believe I've upgraded to Etch, but still have kernel-image 2.4.27-10sarge installed |
| 04:12.54 | ruben | j4cbo: wich package is in debian sid? |
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| 04:13.26 | j4cbo | hm, acutally, i'm not sure... "manpages" doesn't cover that section |
| 04:13.26 | chemaja | what the hell happened to lbxproxy? isn't this packaged in Etch |
| 04:13.27 | Azar | Patrick: look on your /etc/apt/sources.list, paste the conteng on the paster ^^^^ see up the paster from dpkg... let's see |
| 04:13.48 | ruben | j4cbo: I have the latest manpages :( |
| 04:13.56 | Azar | Patrick: "the content" rather |
| 04:14.23 | Patrick | How do I paste again ? |
| 04:14.29 | Azar | !paster |
| 04:14.29 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 04:14.30 | kairu0 | i just stuffed my ssh on a remote server to not permit my login :( |
| 04:14.38 | j4cbo | ruben: manpages-dev |
| 04:15.03 | Patrick | Thank dpkg |
| 04:15.03 | dpkg | Patrick: my pleasure |
| 04:15.20 | Peacimowen | OpenOffice closed uncleanly earlier (with accidental killing of X..) and now it's complaing that "Either another instance of OpenOffice.org is accessing your personal settings, or your personal settings ar locked." Any idea where/how to unlock those settings? I've already determined that no openoffice related process is still running. |
| 04:15.20 | ruben | j4cbo: works perfect now, thank you :) |
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| 04:16.02 | weshouldbegood | any uber geeks that want a challenge? |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | weshouldbegood: ask in #gentoo |
| 04:16.24 | Azar | teeeheeee!! Good one Guerin! |
| 04:17.02 | weshouldbegood | I'm trying to install tor, but under root it says it can't load X |
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| 04:17.12 | Patrick | Azar did my paste work ? |
| 04:17.55 | Azar | Patrick: you should paste to that http:// site dpkg gave you and click SUBMIT then copy the url location of submitted page and paste the http:// url here :) |
| 04:18.07 | chemaja | how do i find out why a package has been discontinued? |
| 04:18.17 | Patrick | I see! http://paste.debian.net/27277 |
| 04:18.23 | chemaja | do i have to trawl BTS or is there a more efficient method |
| 04:18.28 | weshouldbegood | kate: cannot connect to X server |
| 04:18.43 | weshouldbegood | what's up with that? |
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| 04:19.14 | Patrick | Azar, If I start my message with "Azar:" will it highlight for you. (Sorry, I'm brand new to IRC.) |
| 04:19.57 | weshouldbegood | Patrick: press a and the TAB button to complete his name, if another name shows up press TAB again until you find it |
| 04:20.10 | Patrick | weshouldbegood |
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| 04:20.18 | Azar | Patrick: ok so let's see: what made you say that you upgraded to Etch from Sarge: what exactly did you do for that? |
| 04:20.24 | Patrick | weshouldbegood |
| 04:20.55 | Patrick | Azar: I did an "apt-get update" and then an "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 04:21.23 | Patrick | weshouldbegood: Thank you :-) |
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| 04:23.45 | Azar | Patrick: hmm ok. 1. try to upgrade the kernel now: apt-cache search linux-image --> look for a 2.6.18 kernel that could match your cpu architecture. Write the line down then upgrade the kernel 2. aptitude instal linux-kernel-2.6.18-xxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxx < where xxxx-xxxx-xxxx are the specs on the line you found |
| 04:23.49 | weshouldbegood | So, anyhow.. I'm trying to follow the instructions on http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian but when I go to rootshell and type kate it says "kate: cannot connect to X server" what's up with that? ie. How do I fix it? |
| 04:24.10 | Alam_Debian | how do one pronounce Debian? |
| 04:24.28 | cafuego | Alam_Debian: Depends on the language. |
| 04:24.31 | weshouldbegood | De-bian |
| 04:24.39 | weshouldbegood | :P |
| 04:24.53 | cafuego | Ganarelly in english it's "de bee ann" |
| 04:25.00 | weshouldbegood | w/e |
| 04:25.03 | weshouldbegood | I know that |
| 04:25.16 | cafuego | or "de bee un" |
| 04:25.41 | weshouldbegood | ok.. I follow.. de bee en |
| 04:26.00 | Azar | !moo |
| 04:26.00 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:26.42 | Patrick | Azar: Thank you. Output of cat /proc/cpuinfo and apt-get cache.... is at http://paste.debian.net/27278 |
| 04:26.49 | weshouldbegood | so how do I fix this X server thing? Anyone willing to help please? |
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| 04:27.57 | Azar | Patrick: is your cpu a P(Pentium)? what series if you know? |
| 04:28.40 | Patrick | Azar: It's a VM running under VMWare Server 1.0.2. Do you need the CPU specs of the host ? |
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| 04:29.31 | Azar | Patrick: I would guess if is an Intel this would be the good one: linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
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| 04:30.37 | Azar | so Patrick: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 04:30.38 | Patrick | Azar: Thanks! I'll just switch on VMWare snapshots (in case the OS won't boot after upgrading) - and then try upgrading |
| 04:30.55 | Azar | Patrick: using grub or lilo? |
| 04:31.05 | Patrick | Azar: Grub |
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| 04:31.36 | Azar | Patrick: good.... after kernel upgrade, try cleanup : aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
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| 04:32.18 | Azar | Patrick: .... and read the release notes to know what has changed.. |
| 04:32.24 | Patrick | Azar: I haven't used aptitute before - only apt-get. Is there any difference (this is probably a loaded question - I've heard that aptitute if much better) |
| 04:32.45 | Patrick | Azar: ... is much better |
| 04:33.01 | maddash | Patrick: **much** better |
| 04:33.05 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:33.29 | Azar | Patrick: it helps you keep clean house, and manages dependencies better |
| 04:33.41 | Patrick | Azar: So apt-get install aptitude first ? |
| 04:34.02 | Azar | Patrick: not a bad idea, etch comes with its enhanced one |
| 04:34.15 | Azar | better : aptitude install aptitude |
| 04:34.23 | maddash | haha. |
| 04:34.25 | chemaja | anyone using lbxproxy or dxpc? |
| 04:34.32 | maddash | !anyone |
| 04:34.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:34.35 | chemaja | if so how do they fare compared with freenx? |
| 04:34.48 | chemaja | maddash, i was getting there... ) |
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| 04:35.10 | chemaja | the question is: do dxpc/lbxproxy compare favourably with freenx |
| 04:36.29 | nzk | Whats the best command line text editor |
| 04:36.35 | nzk | besides vi/emacs |
| 04:36.45 | Patrick | maddash: Thanks :-) |
| 04:36.59 | chemaja | nzk, eclipse? lol joke |
| 04:37.08 | nzk | I'm serious |
| 04:37.53 | Patrick | Maddash and Azar, I actually have aptitude already, version 0.4.4-4. I presume that is the etch build ? (How do I tell without having to go to packages.debian.org ?) |
| 04:39.20 | labanux | nzk: nano |
| 04:39.37 | labanux | !testing |
| 04:39.37 | dpkg | well, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 04:40.09 | nzk | labanux, nano i dont know how to configure mouse support for |
| 04:40.46 | xq | why does one need mouse support for a command line text editor? |
| 04:40.52 | xq | nano/pico are nice though, I concur. |
| 04:42.10 | nzk | how do i get ftp running |
| 04:42.32 | xq | ftp as in the daemon? |
| 04:42.36 | Sweetandy | apt-get install ftp |
| 04:42.44 | xq | or ftp as in the client? |
| 04:43.05 | xq | nzk: first of all, did you find a suitable editor? ;p |
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| 04:43.53 | Patrick | Azar: OK - but about to try upgrading the kernel now.... Fingers crossed :-) |
| 04:43.54 | nzk | i |
| 04:43.59 | nzk | i'll stick with nano |
| 04:44.05 | chemaja | hhahaha ""I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming in terror like his passengers." |
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| 04:44.17 | xq | k, or check out joe -- bout the same functionality |
| 04:44.21 | Sweetandy | chemaja: That's amazing |
| 04:44.24 | xq | yeah, chemaja i loled myself ;) |
| 04:44.26 | Patrick | Azar: "but" should be "just" |
| 04:44.38 | chemaja | xq, i love jokes like that :) |
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| 04:45.03 | xq | me too |
| 04:45.52 | Patrick | Azar: Safe to continue ? http://paste.debian.net/27280 |
| 04:46.20 | xq | ah Azar the honorable ;) |
| 04:47.00 | nzk | is it possible to have more than 3 screens |
| 04:47.15 | nzk | i did Ctrl-A C and my irssi screen disappeared |
| 04:47.36 | Patrick | Azar: Why doesn't it want to upgrade gcc ? (It's marked for removal) |
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| 04:48.28 | Patrick | Azar: Ahhh... I have gcc-4.1 installed |
| 04:48.42 | xq | nab that one too then ;) |
| 04:48.51 | xq | yes it is possible to have * screens |
| 04:48.54 | Patrick | Azar: as well as gcc-3.3 |
| 04:49.00 | xq | grins |
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| 04:49.17 | Azar | sorry, I was away |
| 04:49.56 | Patrick | xq: LOL. Yes - you're right! |
| 04:50.02 | xq | :) |
| 04:50.31 | Azar | Patrick: it is ok, aptitude cleans up.... if you need any packages that are removed, try reinstall later with aptitude install |
| 04:50.41 | xq | gcc is a good package(s) to have though, don't get me wrong |
| 04:50.46 | Patrick | xq and Azar, perhaps I should post the output of 'dpkg -l' in case I have other "Sarge" packages ? |
| 04:51.33 | Azar | Patrick: you HAVE to read the release notes , continue with the kernel install then read it |
| 04:52.24 | Patrick | Azar: You mean this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html ? |
| 04:52.24 | Azar | yes |
| 04:52.26 | Azar | did you read it? |
| 04:52.27 | Soccrmastr | How can I view installed packages from the terminal? |
| 04:52.46 | xq | soccrmastr: Look at what Patrick just said |
| 04:53.09 | Soccrmastr | dpkg -l? |
| 04:53.31 | xq | should do it :) |
| 04:53.33 | Soccrmastr | ok thanks |
| 04:53.43 | Soccrmastr | heh funny that I didnt evens ee him say that |
| 04:53.44 | Patrick | Azar: I have a VM snapshot - In case it won't boot I can revert. Should be fine.... |
| 04:53.58 | xq | tis okay |
| 04:54.08 | xq | might be a long list ;) be ready |
| 04:54.15 | Azar | dpkg -l : and the terminal screen starts scrolling... oh noooo! the screen is flooding! :) |
| 04:54.15 | dpkg | ii : and the terminal screen starts scrolling... oh noooo! the screen is flooding! :) 3.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:54.30 | Patrick | Azar: :) |
| 04:54.30 | liable | heh, was waiting for that |
| 04:54.34 | xq | dpkg -l : ... |
| 04:54.35 | dpkg | No packages found matching : ... |
| 04:54.42 | xq | hehe |
| 04:54.50 | Azar | dpkg: don't imitate me please |
| 04:54.57 | Soccrmastr | lol |
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| 04:54.58 | xq | dpkg doesn't like me |
| 04:55.10 | xq | dpkg : don't imitate Azar |
| 04:55.12 | liable | !love xq |
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| 04:55.20 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:55.21 | DanaG | How much space should I make in a VM for the "lenny" version of Debian? |
| 04:55.23 | xq | omg |
| 04:55.28 | xq | it hurts and burns... |
| 04:55.32 | DanaG | I'll be using Gnome. |
| 04:55.46 | DanaG | 2.1 gigs is obviously not enough. |
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| 04:55.55 | jetscreamer | 6 is comfy-ish |
| 04:55.59 | xq | danag: 5-10GB is fine, |
| 04:56.00 | Azar | DanaG: I would assume etch+ some |
| 04:56.02 | xq | aye |
| 04:56.10 | xq | 20GB is good for a nice /home |
| 04:56.11 | xq | hehe |
| 04:56.24 | DanaG | I'll be keeping my real home on my Ubuntu Feisty. |
| 04:56.36 | xq | yeah jet, i have like 4 hard drives lol |
| 04:56.38 | DanaG | Though I must admit, I like the pink Clearlooks (and I'm actually a guy.) |
| 04:56.38 | jetscreamer | mostly full... |
| 04:56.43 | xq | jet and i'm comfy at /home |
| 04:56.43 | xq | ;) |
| 04:56.53 | xq | damn that bittorrent thang. |
| 04:57.03 | xq | filling up my /home -- how dare it |
| 04:57.18 | phogg | jetscreamer: "mostly porn" - there, fixed your typo. |
| 04:57.24 | xq | lol |
| 04:57.32 | jetscreamer | thanks... |
| 04:57.38 | DanaG | I don't seem to have enough free space. :( |
| 04:57.50 | Azar | just porn is outdated: VR porn is the kick |
| 04:57.52 | xq | danag: Make room, it's worth it :) |
| 04:58.01 | jetscreamer | don't use gnome |
| 04:58.06 | xq | danag: Or just buy another hard drive for like 40 bucks just for Linux =) |
| 04:58.11 | phogg | Azar: but hard to find |
| 04:58.28 | DanaG | It's a laptop drive -- 75 (they call it 80) gigs. |
| 04:58.32 | xq | Go for Enlightenment! omg, it's pretty and not as big as gnome, or next up -- fluxbox maybe? |
| 04:58.38 | Patrick | Azar: Still downloading packages.... |
| 04:58.40 | Soccrmastr | IceWM |
| 04:58.41 | xq | I'm on a 60gb laptop drive atm |
| 04:58.42 | phogg | $40 seems to be the magical low number for new hard disks. |
| 04:58.44 | Azar | phogg: is a secret development |
| 04:58.49 | Patrick | Azar: Luckily I'm *not* on a modem :-) |
| 04:58.51 | xq | phogg: true, it is |
| 04:59.05 | xq | Would be a lot more for a laptop drive ;) |
| 04:59.05 | DanaG | 5 gigs recovery (mostly taken up by the Xilinx ISE), 40 gigs XP, 17 or so gigs Vista, 10 gigs Feisty. |
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| 04:59.08 | Azar | Patrick: I would assume you had just a partial dist-upgrade.... dirry kind |
| 04:59.14 | gOLdenHaWK3D | hi all |
| 04:59.14 | phogg | !start a window manager war |
| 04:59.14 | xq | But can get an external one and boot from it if you want to |
| 04:59.14 | dpkg | olwm bites! |
| 04:59.15 | Azar | dirty* kind |
| 04:59.17 | DanaG | I'd want a 7200RPM 100GB laptop drive. |
| 04:59.24 | phogg | dpkg: for once you're right! |
| 04:59.29 | DanaG | USB 2.0 is damn slow, even compared to Firewire 400. |
| 04:59.40 | Patrick | Azar: Strange because I've always run "stable" on that box |
| 04:59.40 | xq | danag: $500 ;) |
| 04:59.43 | Soccrmastr | I dont even sue USB 2.0 |
| 04:59.45 | xq | yeah |
| 04:59.46 | Soccrmastr | use* |
| 04:59.52 | xq | stop suing |
| 04:59.56 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 05:00.00 | xq | we're in the midst of a wm war here. |
| 05:00.04 | xq | jeeze. |
| 05:00.06 | phogg | everyone knows olvwm is superior to olwm |
| 05:00.07 | Soccrmastr | twm ftw |
| 05:00.15 | xq | these wars call for hard times |
| 05:00.18 | Soccrmastr | anyone here use twm? |
| 05:00.23 | Patrick | Azar: Perhaps the mirror was broken last time I tried upgrading .... |
| 05:00.37 | Soccrmastr | it is the default with X |
| 05:00.40 | Azar | Patrick: you got into the "new release" trap..... you were "thinking" you were running Sarge , but when Etch became the new stable release your "stable" got screwed up |
| 05:00.46 | chemaja | Soccrmastr, twm is surprisingly good once you get used to it... except for lack of virtual desktops |
| 05:00.50 | xq | omg i need my cup of tea |
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| 05:01.14 | Azar | Patrick: try to get in the habit of using Debian distro names instead of "stable" : use "etch" |
| 05:01.16 | Patrick | Azar: Is it a better idea then to change "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "etch" ? |
| 05:01.17 | Soccrmastr | Yes I used it for about two weeks |
| 05:01.27 | ReMeMBeR | Hi |
| 05:01.32 | Patrick | Azar: You just answered my question |
| 05:01.43 | niru | hello |
| 05:01.46 | phogg | Patrick: if you want to always use the latest stable, use 'stable'. If you want to use the current version, use the version name, |
| 05:01.48 | niru | hello Patrick |
| 05:01.49 | Soccrmastr | hi |
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| 05:01.54 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 05:01.55 | niru | hello Soccrmastr |
| 05:01.59 | Patrick | niru: Hi |
| 05:02.00 | Azar | phogg: cough cough... ? |
| 05:02.03 | xq | Azar is irc psychic |
| 05:02.20 | Patrick | Azar is very helpful! |
| 05:02.32 | phogg | Azar: typing too slow makes comments irrelevant. Sorry (-: |
| 05:02.39 | niru | I am trying to build debian etch cd with a bit modification like changing the etch name to something else |
| 05:02.45 | niru | but facing some problems |
| 05:02.46 | xq | Patrick, you know Azar is a bot -- aye? |
| 05:03.03 | niru | is this the correct place to ask |
| 05:03.03 | xq | niru: What do you mean? |
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| 05:03.16 | Azar | phogg: when a new stable release arrives.... and say the admin is not wanting/ready yet for a dist-upgrade, imagine a "aptitude update/upgrade" what would do to a "stable" source |
| 05:03.19 | xq | "changing the etch name" and burning a cd? hmm, rephrase hehe |
| 05:03.30 | Patrick | Haha.... He's too knowledgeable to be a bot. Unless AI has got that much better! |
| 05:03.33 | phogg | Azar: I don;t have to imagine it. |
| 05:03.44 | Azar | where is my "helpful irc-er" badge? |
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| 05:03.54 | Patrick | Anyway - Azar was away for a while. I don't think bots need to take breaks :-) |
| 05:03.56 | niru | xq, I mean is this the channel where I can ask debian-cd building doubts |
| 05:03.56 | xq | Patrick: It's a Debian bot. :) Debian devel-AI-A3.01.0234 |
| 05:03.58 | xq | :) |
| 05:04.11 | xq | yes, niru, it is fine |
| 05:04.17 | phogg | niru: if not here try oftc.net's #debian |
| 05:04.33 | niru | phogg, ok |
| 05:04.36 | xq | Patrick: He was recycling cache and doing some clean up |
| 05:04.49 | Patrick | :) |
| 05:04.51 | phogg | niru: but only if, you know, no one here can help |
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| 05:04.54 | ReMeMBeR | sleepig time |
| 05:05.01 | phogg | ReMeMBeR: sleep is for the weak! |
| 05:05.01 | ReMeMBeR | good works guys |
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| 05:05.14 | xq | night remember |
| 05:05.16 | niru | phogg, yup |
| 05:05.27 | Patrick | Azar should upgrade to "etch" devel-AI-A4.0xxxx |
| 05:05.28 | xq | phogg: or for those with a week (ahead) ! |
| 05:05.47 | xq | he runs that too, I'm sure. multi tasking ya know ;) |
| 05:05.48 | Soccrmastr | I have a whole stack of CD-R's that cant burn ISO's..... damn staples brand ugh |
| 05:05.55 | ReMeMBeR | Ihad never slept for above 60 hours |
| 05:06.01 | ReMeMBeR | so I must sleep:) |
| 05:06.02 | xq | are you serious, SOccr? |
| 05:06.12 | xq | they can't burn ISOs on staples CD-Rs? |
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| 05:06.37 | xq | i would return those pile of...CDs...so fast hehe |
| 05:06.41 | xq | that's insane. |
| 05:06.42 | Azar | Patrick: number one is before deciding to upgrade to a new release, read the release notes: it will tell you what it changes, what is new, what it will be kicked. Use aptitude on dist-upgrade. Upgrade the kernel immediately after changing to the new release. |
| 05:06.49 | Soccrmastr | yes I am serious, I thought I was going nuts when I tried about 15 discs and none of them worked, this was a brand new stack as well. I went to an older stack of soem fujifilms and it worked |
| 05:07.06 | xq | wtf did staples do to prevent iso burning |
| 05:07.16 | xq | i have never heard of this outrage! |
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| 05:07.22 | Azar | xq, I destroyed 27 CDs trying to burn a netinstall... :) |
| 05:07.31 | xq | oh my god. |
| 05:07.36 | DanaG | Take them back as defective. |
| 05:07.37 | twobitsprite | hmm... apt-get can't find ndiswrapper |
| 05:07.43 | xq | dpkg staples is sux0r |
| 05:07.44 | dpkg | ...but staples is already something else... |
| 05:07.45 | ReMeMBeR | look! |
| 05:07.50 | xq | !staples |
| 05:07.50 | dpkg | staples are something which, with a lack of can cause one to be penalized. They are the bindings of paper in many cases. |
| 05:07.55 | Azar | DanaG: I guess I was defective, I am CD-burn impaired forever |
| 05:07.59 | ReMeMBeR | I want to ask someone before sleeping |
| 05:08.07 | DanaG | Does Lenny have some equivalent of what Feisty has? |
| 05:08.12 | xq | dpkg stables also sells bad CD-Rs, I would never buy from them |
| 05:08.13 | Patrick | Azar: Thanks. The output of uname -a is now "Linux ist-linux1 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed Apr 18 09:55:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux" |
| 05:08.15 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 05:08.27 | Patrick | Azar: Time for an aptitude dist-upgrade now ? |
| 05:08.28 | Sweetandy | LINUX IS BETTER THAN WINDOWS |
| 05:08.34 | Sweetandy | Oops |
| 05:08.35 | jetscreamer | how could debian possibly be like ubuntu? i mean, it's not like ubuntu uses debian stuff... |
| 05:08.36 | phogg | Sweetandy: thanks for sharing. |
| 05:08.37 | Sweetandy | Wrong window |
| 05:08.39 | Azar | Patrick: noooooo! |
| 05:08.41 | Azar | :) |
| 05:08.42 | ReMeMBeR | the japanese are using new technologies.They made a new cd.it has 100 gb. is this possible ? |
| 05:08.43 | xq | lol |
| 05:08.49 | ReMeMBeR | They use it for playstation 3 |
| 05:08.58 | Soccrmastr | blu rayz |
| 05:09.06 | jetscreamer | ReMeMBeR: yes |
| 05:09.09 | Azar | Patrick: change your sources.list to show "etch" on each line, also add non-free contrib at end of each line. |
| 05:09.09 | niru | when I am running make status from debian-cd |
| 05:09.10 | xq | Yes, everything is possible |
| 05:09.17 | niru | I am getting dependency problems |
| 05:09.19 | jetscreamer | holographic discs i hear |
| 05:09.19 | Patrick | Azar: OK |
| 05:09.25 | ReMeMBeR | it looks like hard disk :) |
| 05:09.26 | Azar | Patrick: then do : aptitude update and aptitude upgrade |
| 05:09.27 | xq | And they did as far as I have heard, something like 90ish GBs? |
| 05:09.42 | niru | http://pastebin.ca/473317 |
| 05:09.51 | Soccrmastr | you can buy some PC's from Dell that are pre installed with blu ray players... what a waste |
| 05:09.55 | niru | but whereas I have all those packages in the repository |
| 05:10.05 | ReMeMBeR | certainly everything is possible xq :) |
| 05:10.05 | xq | dpkg staples is also selling bad CD-Rs to the general public. They need to be stopped! Ahhhhh! |
| 05:10.06 | dpkg | xq: okay |
| 05:10.12 | xq | there. |
| 05:10.18 | xq | remember: :) |
| 05:10.21 | maddash | !staples |
| 05:10.21 | dpkg | staples are something which, with a lack of can cause one to be penalized. They are the bindings of paper in many cases. selling bad CD-Rs to the general public. They need to be stopped! Ahhhhh! |
| 05:10.33 | ReMeMBeR | Only married with your love is not possible xq :p |
| 05:10.33 | Patrick | Azar: I probably don't need non-free. It's just an Apache/SVN server |
| 05:10.55 | xq | maddash: Fix the syntax. ;p I'm new to dpkg botness. |
| 05:10.59 | xq | omg hehe |
| 05:11.01 | niru | phogg, any idea |
| 05:11.01 | Soccrmastr | haha. I cant return these, its too late. I might have to throw them into the pile of AOL 6.0 CD's |
| 05:11.18 | niru | xq, ? |
| 05:11.22 | xq | Oh god, I remember that pile |
| 05:11.37 | niru | xq, . CONF.sh |
| 05:11.37 | niru | $ make distclean |
| 05:11.37 | niru | $ make status |
| 05:11.37 | niru | $ make official_images |
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| 05:11.42 | Soccrmastr | owned |
| 05:11.46 | xq | Now I have a trash bin right by the mail box |
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| 05:11.52 | xq | lol |
| 05:11.55 | Soccrmastr | goo idea |
| 05:11.56 | ReMeMBeR | :) |
| 05:11.57 | Soccrmastr | good* |
| 05:12.11 | phogg | niru: I can't help, I'm just a jackass with a bash fetish. |
| 05:12.12 | xq | !paste |
| 05:12.12 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
| 05:12.13 | Azar | Patrick: if you don't need drivers, probably don't need non-free |
| 05:12.16 | ReMeMBeR | anyway I go to sleeping :) |
| 05:12.18 | ReMeMBeR | bye all! |
| 05:12.20 | xq | niru ^^ |
| 05:13.23 | xq | anyone see where bittorrent accounts for 1/3 of all internet traffic? and ALSO netcraft reports linux use is up 100% from two months ago?! |
| 05:13.40 | Sweetandy | With the new Ubuntu it makes sense |
| 05:13.46 | Azar | :) |
| 05:13.50 | Patrick | Azar: Hmmmm... now seem to have missing packages http://paste.debian.net/27283 |
| 05:13.50 | Soccrmastr | yeah i saw that graph of linux users |
| 05:14.03 | Patrick | Azar: Not packages - missing sources |
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| 05:14.17 | Soccrmastr | and Wubi, installs Ubuntu from inside Windows, into C:/ubuntu. |
| 05:14.42 | Patrick | Azar: Perhaps they're missing a sym link from etch to stable ?!? |
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| 05:14.56 | Azar | Patrick: is a quirck... do aptitude update again... sometimes hiccups, if it repeats, show me your /etc/apt/sources.list again... |
| 05:16.16 | Patrick | Azar: Got less missing sources on the second time around. Output here... http://paste.debian.net/27284. Will paste my sources.list in a sec... |
| 05:17.04 | Patrick | Azar: sources.list is @ http://paste.debian.net/27285 |
| 05:17.31 | twobitsprite | does anyone do any music production in linux? any good software to recommend? |
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| 05:19.21 | Azar | Patrick: W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files < try aptitude update ... again, then aptitude upgrade |
| 05:19.35 | Azar | if it still not working, change "etch" to "stable" and try again |
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| 05:20.32 | Patrick | Azar: Fine with stable (instead of etch)! That mirror needs to add a symlink |
| 05:21.34 | Azar | Patrick: I guess so, it happened to me once when I changed from woody to sarge.... it could not take the "name" |
| 05:21.34 | inuyasha | how can i make a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 platinum sound?, it got already the emu10k loaded and i dont know what else to make it sound, anyone can help me? |
| 05:21.35 | Patrick | Azar: OK - aptitude update ran without problems, will now run aptitude upgrade |
| 05:21.45 | Patrick | Azar: Hmmmm... wasn't that exicting. 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 05:23.13 | Patrick | Azar: apt-get dist-upgrade also gives 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove etc. |
| 05:23.51 | Soccrmastr | apt-get clean apt-get autoclean? |
| 05:23.51 | Patrick | Azar: But dpkg -l |grep sarge | wc -l gives 11 |
| 05:23.54 | maddash | xq: "bestah"? |
| 05:24.01 | xq | just a fun word |
| 05:24.04 | maddash | !ssh tunnel |
| 05:24.05 | dpkg | ssh tunnel are known for making it appear people are root on IRC. They aren't. Don't bug them. see http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html for more info on how to set them up |
| 05:24.20 | xq | better + some = bestah |
| 05:24.33 | Azar | Patrick: if you do not have a desktop and gadget packages installed, expect to see 0 on upgrades... only security patches that aim at what YOU HAVE will bee seen/downloaded/installed :) |
| 05:24.40 | DanaG | ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to |
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| 05:25.14 | Azar | Patrick: like mine... the less installed stuff you have, the less applied patches you get |
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| 05:25.49 | Patrick | Azar: What about dpkg -l |grep sarge | wc -l giving 11 ? Looks like I still have "sarge" remnants ? |
| 05:25.58 | Azar | Patrick: i.e. : if you do not have gnome desktop all security patches for gnome will not be loaded on your system :) |
| 05:26.28 | Azar | Patrick: possible sarge packages running on etch... why remove them if aptitude did not offer to? |
| 05:26.30 | Patrick | Azar: The box doesn't have a GUI |
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| 05:27.31 | Azar | Patrick: trust aptitude to clean up and install all the time. It will know what is good and what is broken |
| 05:27.57 | Patrick | Azar: I see. |
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| 05:28.59 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 05:29.45 | Azar | Patrick: for more info on aptitude : /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
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| 05:30.52 | Patrick | Azar: Another question. I used to use the Debian samba package under Sarge, but it was old, and I decided to build it from source. Sarge still shows up under "dpkg -l" in state "rc" (recalled). I tried purging the package, but this removed things like the startup scripts (e.g. in /etc/init.d/samba). Is there a way to remove a package from apt, without doing a purge ? |
| 05:31.02 | mrynit | is there a defualt xorg.conf file i can use just to get gnome to start? |
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| 05:31.59 | Soccrmastr | what are you supposed to do with empty batteries? it feels awkward throwing them in the garbage, I have like 30 of them on my desk all empty |
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| 05:32.23 | mrynit | Soccrmastr: where i live there are locations for recyling |
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| 05:32.49 | Soccrmastr | like in an office supplies store? |
| 05:33.05 | twobitsprite | where's a good place to order linux-friendly workstations? |
| 05:33.20 | Soccrmastr | system-76 |
| 05:33.25 | Soccrmastr | theyre very good |
| 05:33.55 | Soccrmastr | they come with all free software Im pretty sure too, the free nvidia drivers |
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| 05:34.34 | Azar | Patrick: if you used to install with apt-get, aptitude will never see the removal or install of an apt-get ..... try to apt-get remove a package, then install back with aptitude install. (this way each of them sees what was installed/removed with its own command) |
| 05:34.39 | twobitsprite | Soccrmastr: they don't say what chipset they come with |
| 05:35.03 | Soccrmastr | twobitsprite: did you click customize, did it tell you there? |
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| 05:35.36 | twobitsprite | Soccrmastr: nope |
| 05:35.43 | mystic_source | Hello :) |
| 05:35.46 | Azar | Patrick: packages built by you from source might not be seen by apt/aptitude if the package was not installed with them. |
| 05:36.17 | twobitsprite | Soccrmastr: although, being as they ship with ubuntu I guess I don't have to worry about their chipset not working with linux... |
| 05:36.21 | Soccrmastr | if you need call their custom support I guess. I know a couple people that bought from them and everything just works, free drivers pre cofnigured for built in webcams, wifi, vid cards etc |
| 05:36.35 | xarquid | It still blows my mind why a lot of dedicated server companies choose to have CentOS as their Linux OS |
| 05:36.35 | twobitsprite | I'm just a bit gun-shy after being ripped off with Dell's "nSeries" |
| 05:36.50 | xarquid | ... |
| 05:37.00 | jetscreamer | centos is good |
| 05:37.05 | Patrick | Azar: apt-get remove xxxx still shows up in dpkg -l, it's just that its state is changed to "rc" (recalled). It's no big problem - just wanted to keep my dpkg list tidy |
| 05:37.05 | xarquid | Dell just joined up with Ubuntu but wouldn't be worried about them being in "bed" with Ubuntu as of yet |
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| 05:37.11 | Azar | xarquid: isn't that CentOS a windows-lookalike? |
| 05:37.11 | jetscreamer | better than rhel, from my experiences |
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| 05:37.20 | jetscreamer | no, rhel |
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| 05:37.49 | Azar | Patrick: apt-get can't remove what it was never installed by him/she/it. :) |
| 05:38.05 | xarquid | But maybe soon. |
| 05:38.05 | xarquid | Ubuntu is weird at their focus on marketing |
| 05:38.05 | xarquid | twobitsprite: but I understand your frustration with Dell and their nSeries completely myself |
| 05:38.05 | Patrick | Azar: e.g. rc samba 3.0.14a-3sarge a LanManager-like file and printer server fo |
| 05:38.10 | xarquid | she pls |
| 05:38.12 | mnguyen | The php5 package wants to install Apache 2... but isn't it recommended NOT to use apache 2 with php? |
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| 05:38.17 | twobitsprite | xarquid: did you get burned too? |
| 05:38.20 | Azar | :) pigsy |
| 05:38.21 | Patrick | Azar: I'm not using a debian managed sarge package |
| 05:38.28 | simonrvn | mnguyen: only the threaded mpm |
| 05:38.35 | simonrvn | mnguyen: the prefork is ok |
| 05:38.35 | Patrick | Azar: Can I stop this output appearing in dpkg -l ? |
| 05:38.37 | xarquid | twobitsprite: yeah, a bit ago i did |
| 05:38.48 | Patrick | Azar: Note that its state is "rc" instead of "ii" |
| 05:38.54 | xarquid | twobitsprite: I liked Dell's Business sales team etc. but did not like their product |
| 05:38.55 | simonrvn | mnguyen: and that's what it'll pull in as a dep |
| 05:39.01 | Azar | Patrick: exactly waht I was trying to tell you: if you plopped a package without using aptitude or apt-get , then aptitude or and apt-get can't see it |
| 05:39.01 | twobitsprite | xarquid: yeah, the UPS guy just stopped by yesterday to pick up my return |
| 05:39.09 | xarquid | It was terrible, I had to replace the motherboard TWICE in one week, and eventually had to return |
| 05:39.12 | DanaG | Mmmm, put a hot Prescott in a small box, and what do you get? |
| 05:39.12 | xarquid | Yeah |
| 05:39.17 | xarquid | And mine was 1 day out of return and this HUGE freaking hassle |
| 05:39.18 | DanaG | A crying-baby fan. |
| 05:39.27 | twobitsprite | xarquid: I was bitten by the E521 USB mouse bug |
| 05:39.29 | xarquid | I was like "IBM here I come" to the Dell "escalated return hotline" |
| 05:39.31 | xarquid | It was insane. |
| 05:39.41 | Azar | Patrick: is a good marker why remove it? it lets you and anyone know, at any time what is going on |
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| 05:39.47 | xarquid | It took them forever to even grant my 5 nSeries returns |
| 05:39.50 | xarquid | Yeah, annoying |
| 05:39.55 | twobitsprite | indeed |
| 05:39.56 | xarquid | Anyways, IBM is good |
| 05:40.08 | xarquid | And I am sure system-76 is fine although I do not know myself |
| 05:40.08 | twobitsprite | xarquid: if by good you mean expensive |
| 05:40.10 | Patrick | Azar: Is there no way to remove all remnants of the "samba" package from the apt database ? |
| 05:40.19 | xarquid | Yeah, well that they are |
| 05:40.25 | mnguyen | simonrvn, okay thanks :) |
| 05:40.26 | xarquid | But they really do stand by their support, I'm promise |
| 05:40.33 | twobitsprite | xarquid: and, also I'm assuming your talking about lenovo...? |
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| 05:40.37 | Azar | Patrick: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 05:40.38 | xarquid | I have had so many good experiences since switching ot them...it was amazing |
| 05:40.42 | twobitsprite | xarquid: or are you talking about servers? |
| 05:40.44 | xarquid | Yes, Lenovo and their workstation products |
| 05:40.46 | numan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.53 | twobitsprite | numan: lol |
| 05:40.56 | fenriz | doh |
| 05:41.00 | Azar | Patrick: you can even e-mail and ask the maintainer :) |
| 05:41.04 | xarquid | Lenovo, workstations and servers + Linux/*nix Support is amazing with IBM Business |
| 05:41.09 | twobitsprite | numan: time for a password change |
| 05:41.14 | Patrick | Azar: OK :) |
| 05:41.30 | numan | ok |
| 05:41.31 | twobitsprite | xarquid: yeah, I've worked for |
| 05:41.34 | twobitsprite | IBM though... |
| 05:41.38 | xarquid | numan: you're going to be a NU(new) man after a password change ;) |
| 05:41.45 | xarquid | twobitsprite: employee discount! ;) |
| 05:41.57 | twobitsprite | xarquid: in fact, I was a hardware tester... it's rather scary how things work around there |
| 05:42.05 | twobitsprite | xarquid: I was a contractor... |
| 05:42.08 | xarquid | oh |
| 05:42.10 | xarquid | heh |
| 05:42.15 | Azar | xarquid: you know, ok I know IBM is a capitalist pigsy, but hey, I allways dreamed of having an IBM machine... the only thing that kept me: they didn't use AMD and I don't buy Intel boxes |
| 05:42.21 | Patrick | Azar: My dpkg list is just looking a bit untidy. For example, it was running as a LAMP server, but we moved the SQL to a different box, but now I have stuff like "rc libmysqlclient15off 5.0.32-7etch1 mysql database client library" scattered through dpkg -l |
| 05:42.39 | xarquid | Azar: What do you use as your processor? :P |
| 05:42.41 | twobitsprite | Azar: what's wrong with being a capitalist? |
| 05:42.47 | Patrick | Azar: I think that you can "purge" the packages (and then they won't show up in dpkg -l) |
| 05:42.56 | Azar | xarquid: AMD on all boxes, old, news and future ones |
| 05:42.58 | xarquid | everyone is capitalist pigs in the USA |
| 05:43.08 | xarquid | oh |
| 05:43.10 | xarquid | I read that wrong |
| 05:43.16 | xarquid | Business could not hook you up with AMD? |
| 05:43.24 | xarquid | I have two AMD servers with IBM coloed atm |
| 05:43.25 | mrynit | Soccrmastr: garbage dump by me does hazardus recylcing |
| 05:43.30 | Patrick | Azar: The problem then is that they will remove all files (which were part of the package). If you've built those files from source, then you can get into problems :-) |
| 05:43.44 | xarquid | All of my work stations are indeed Intel but I know Business does do AMD |
| 05:43.49 | Soccrmastr | but these are some triple A's, it seems a bit overkill to g to the local dump |
| 05:44.01 | Azar | hmmm what is wrong? well it is wrong when a big business starts trying cut free speech and innovation all around.. |
| 05:44.13 | Patrick | Azar: Thank you for all your help! |
| 05:44.22 | Patrick | Azar: I now have a box running 2.6 kernel |
| 05:44.29 | Azar | Patrick: well, you can purge then reinstall |
| 05:44.55 | Azar | the problem is you have to spend time to customize it again |
| 05:44.57 | daya | can i use remote machine DVD ROM for apt-get install on my machine, if so how |
| 05:45.02 | Patrick | Azar: Yes! I wish I had (before I started building from source) |
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| 05:45.34 | Patrick | Azar: Thanks a lot! I'll see you later :-) |
| 05:45.44 | Azar | Patrick: good night, and good luck |
| 05:45.55 | Patrick | Azar: Cheers |
| 05:45.58 | xarquid | the classic phrase :) |
| 05:46.00 | xarquid | Good night, patrick |
| 05:46.08 | Patrick | :) |
| 05:46.24 | twobitsprite | what should I put for the installation path of macromedia flash installer? |
| 05:46.51 | Sweetandy | You shouldn't |
| 05:47.31 | twobitsprite | Sweetandy: ? |
| 05:47.43 | Sweetandy | It isn't free. |
| 05:47.52 | Sweetandy | That aside, what browser are you using? |
| 05:47.55 | Soccrmastr | Gnash hardly works |
| 05:48.11 | Soccrmastr | if you dont use Flashplayer because its not free then its retarted |
| 05:48.22 | twobitsprite | Sweetandy: I'm not a "free software" nazi... and I'm using iceweasel |
| 05:49.06 | Soccrmastr | twobitsprite: why dont you use the "Install missing Plugin" wizard from inside iceweasel |
| 05:49.47 | mrynit | Soccrmastr: wait untill you have 10lbs of batteries before you go |
| 05:50.01 | Azar | twobitsprite: I guess you took stuff out of context, or I just did not say it on a clear way (capitalist pigsy.. comment) |
| 05:50.08 | Sweetandy | twobitsprite: I did this a few months ago on accident, now where was that directory... |
| 05:50.41 | Soccrmastr | mrynit: I guess, can just keep them in a container till I get enough of them. thanks though |
| 05:51.30 | Sweetandy | Aha!!!! |
| 05:51.41 | Sweetandy | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 05:51.50 | Sweetandy | put the .so file in there |
| 05:51.56 | Soccrmastr | thats not the install directory, thats the plugin directory |
| 05:51.59 | Sweetandy | And then make sure to restart iceweasel |
| 05:52.03 | Azar | Sweetandy: the beauty of Debian is that everyone can have a choice. Is not restricting users from using non-free packages |
| 05:52.09 | Sweetandy | To check to see if it is installed, make sure to visit about:plugins |
| 05:52.27 | Sweetandy | Azar: I'm considering switching to gNewSense because of that. |
| 05:52.30 | mrynit | what version of xorg does etch have as defualt? |
| 05:52.40 | jetscreamer | 7.1 i think |
| 05:52.48 | jetscreamer | or 7.2 maybe |
| 05:53.03 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg etch |
| 05:53.07 | Soccrmastr | does it get updated with apt-get dist-upgrade or anything? |
| 05:53.12 | Azar | Sweetandy: if you wish to stay with "free" packages only you can (with Debian) |
| 05:53.13 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-16 (etch), Packaged size: 449 kB, Installed size: 1368 kB |
| 05:53.26 | twobitsprite | Azar: what did you mean then? |
| 05:53.27 | Sweetandy | Azar: Yes, I suppose you're right. |
| 05:53.44 | jetscreamer | azar is a dfsg zelot!!! |
| 05:53.51 | jetscreamer | er zealot |
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| 05:54.06 | xarquid | any other sources besides the defaults you guys and gals use a lot?: |
| 05:54.09 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 05:54.16 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 05:54.29 | jetscreamer | it's raining, can't you see? dpkg is getting wet |
| 05:54.30 | xarquid | good, asarch , minus the president which will change soon |
| 05:54.33 | xarquid | weather is wet |
| 05:54.36 | Azar | twobitsprite: in that context I was refering to the old way IBM that used to be. Today, IBM is showing a totally different face.. |
| 05:54.41 | asarch | Cool |
| 05:54.44 | Sweetandy | twobitsprite: Did you get the plugin working? |
| 05:54.44 | xarquid | dpkg : are you wet? |
| 05:54.52 | Azar | jetscreamer: haha |
| 05:54.54 | Soccrmastr | Im reinstalling Debian right now, I dont want the XFCE package. (Debian is becoming Ubuntu !!?! too many flavors!) |
| 05:55.00 | jetscreamer | shorted out zomg |
| 05:55.15 | xarquid | dpkg is wet? omg |
| 05:55.34 | Soccrmastr | theres Debian netinst with KDE, and one with XFCE. I hope they dont rename to Kebian or Xebian lol |
| 05:55.40 | Azar | Soccrmastr: you can have it your way with Debian... no need to install bloated apps if you do not want to |
| 05:55.55 | Soccrmastr | yeah I'm installing the plain now |
| 05:55.59 | Azar | Soccrmastr: install as mail server and sit with minimal |
| 05:56.04 | asarch | Which one, Beryl or Compiz? |
| 05:56.11 | Soccrmastr | theyre merged |
| 05:56.12 | kingsley | Soccrmastr: It seems to me that, like soccer, installing linux is a good exercise to master. |
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| 05:56.21 | xarquid | not yet |
| 05:56.25 | Azar | Soccrmastr: I have only naked X server with openbox :) |
| 05:56.27 | xarquid | Compiz though for now |
| 05:56.39 | Soccrmastr | then Beryl if you have the resources, if a bit slower CompizI guess |
| 05:56.57 | Soccrmastr | I installed Gentoo, was very traumatizing, took about a week |
| 05:57.13 | xarquid | yeah the installation is |
| 05:57.16 | xarquid | Good luck when you break it |
| 05:57.19 | xarquid | A few times. |
| 05:57.22 | xarquid | Fun to reinstall |
| 05:57.24 | Soccrmastr | even the upgrading |
| 05:57.36 | Soccrmastr | is dangerous |
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| 05:57.45 | xarquid | yep |
| 05:57.54 | Azar | awwwwww Soccrmastr 4 years back, brand newbie from windows I tried my luck with Debian linux: 52 installs just to make sure I learned the right way :) |
| 05:58.04 | Soccrmastr | thats why I just got rid of it today, now using Debian |
| 05:58.06 | Soccrmastr | wow 52 |
| 05:58.09 | Soccrmastr | thats a lot of CD's |
| 05:58.24 | Azar | Soccrmastr: just the 1st CD... over and over 52 times |
| 05:58.32 | xarquid | I remember those days |
| 05:58.37 | xarquid | My 50+ installs were with Slack ;) |
| 05:58.47 | Azar | woody... no gui for more than one year |
| 05:59.13 | Azar | and you know, I can live comfy with command line in case of need now |
| 05:59.28 | Soccrmastr | I've so far tried Damn Small Linux, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, XandrOS, Debian, Gentoo, Kubuntu, and a bunch bunch more in VM's |
| 05:59.33 | Azar | links, irssi, nethack |
| 05:59.42 | Soccrmastr | also Runt off a USB drive |
| 05:59.47 | xarquid | Out of those I prefer Debian ;) |
| 05:59.56 | xarquid | Never tried Runt |
| 06:00.04 | Soccrmastr | guys, if I choose Desktop Environment, what does it install by default? I want to just have Debian with IceWM |
| 06:00.15 | xarquid | *buntu as far as I am concerned is Debian with a "weird-er" more "windows-ish" user base. |
| 06:00.26 | Azar | Soccrmastr: what is IceWM? |
| 06:00.29 | xarquid | It will install either Gnome or KDE I believe |
| 06:00.32 | Soccrmastr | a window manager |
| 06:01.05 | Azar | Soccrmastr: if you dont want gnome or kde, dont pick Desktop Env.... just install say mail server. |
| 06:01.12 | Soccrmastr | agchk |
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| 06:01.29 | Soccrmastr | how can I cancel this, I clicked enter in an attempt to uncheck Desktop Environment lol *doh* |
| 06:01.31 | Azar | Soccrmastr: later on, install Xserver then put a bgimage on it, and install IceWM to run on it |
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| 06:02.08 | Soccrmastr | ok Ill do that |
| 06:02.38 | Soccrmastr | yes |
| 06:02.43 | Azar | cool then |
| 06:03.43 | Peacimowen | Azar: always has. |
| 06:03.45 | Azar | if you don't want to boot on a gui interface screen, remove the .dm |
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| 06:04.02 | Azar | Peacimowen: don't know any other than openbox... |
| 06:04.12 | Peacimowen | I've been running iceWM since I first used linux |
| 06:04.37 | Azar | same here with openbox... got used to it |
| 06:04.42 | stari | is there some cmd to check if you're running stable or unstable? |
| 06:04.43 | Peacimowen | my first install was mandrake 9.1 on a 1 gig hard drive with iceWM-lite |
| 06:04.52 | Soccrmastr | to install xserer, apt-get install x-window-system-core?? |
| 06:05.10 | Peacimowen | no ROOM for kde/gnome |
| 06:05.23 | alleyoopster | stari: sources.list will give you a clue |
| 06:05.25 | Azar | Soccrmastr: I guess so.. |
| 06:05.28 | Azar | !xserver |
| 06:05.39 | Peacimowen | !X |
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| 06:05.43 | Azar | !x-server |
| 06:05.46 | Soccrmastr | !Xorg |
| 06:05.46 | dpkg | from memory, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 06:05.50 | Peacimowen | right |
| 06:06.32 | stari | thx alley |
| 06:06.33 | Soccrmastr | how do I ask it about <get xorg> |
| 06:06.34 | Peacimowen | Soccrmastr: xserver-xorg I think it was |
| 06:06.41 | Soccrmastr | ok ill try it |
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| 06:07.24 | Soccrmastr | i dont remember anything from the gentoo install, I had to do so much. they need an automated installer |
| 06:07.48 | alleyoopster | Azar: have a look at wmii, i started using thinking what is this weird thing and havent stopped, in fact I find it hard to use normal de's now |
| 06:08.15 | Azar | alleyoopster: what is wmii ? |
| 06:08.16 | xarquid | Gentoo is pretty much not about auto mation but user interaction, I think |
| 06:08.22 | xarquid | Specially for anything install/emerged based |
| 06:08.28 | Soccrmastr | wmii |
| 06:08.29 | FuzzyB | I screwed up installing a packing during it's configuration pages, i have tried to apt-get remove it and reinstall, but I cant get back to the configuration, it skips it like it has my answers cached somewhere. I've tried to apt-get remove it, dpkg --purge seems to hang, I also tried to do a apt-get clean after the remove, and that didn't seem to work |
| 06:08.30 | xarquid | Since they want it to "work just for YOU" |
| 06:08.35 | Soccrmastr | is not even a window manager lol really |
| 06:08.38 | xarquid | Or..."die/not work/be broke just for YOU" :) |
| 06:08.42 | Soccrmastr | its like four terminals |
| 06:09.05 | alleyoopster | Azar: its a windows manager, but it actually managers windows. It places them logically on the screen |
| 06:09.23 | xarquid | Fuzzy, what package are you trying to remove/reconfigure/reinstall? |
| 06:09.30 | DrMitch | anyclue why $ firefox loads up iceweasel? i hate iceweasel |
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| 06:09.40 | alleyoopster | Azar: you have a few kb commands to learn, the hjkl keys mostly with ALT |
| 06:09.40 | DanaG | I hate how my framebuffer gets all stretched out of whack. |
| 06:09.49 | xarquid | iceweasel is firefox |
| 06:10.00 | Azar | FuzzyB: try using : aptitude update aptitude upgrade it will clean up... remove also lots of broken packages ... note them down and reinstall using aptitude install |
| 06:10.01 | DrMitch | not where i'm standing it isn't |
| 06:10.04 | labanux | !unstable |
| 06:10.04 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
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| 06:10.16 | DrMitch | it won't let me use singlewindow (tabs-only) mode |
| 06:10.30 | xarquid | drmitch: they're going to use iceweasal as a transition/replacement for firefox I believe -- as are other distros soon since firefox 2 is coming out |
| 06:10.33 | DrMitch | when i click an external link, it loads in a new window |
| 06:10.34 | xarquid | hmm |
| 06:10.36 | Azar | alleyoopster: ahhh... thanks but I like openbox better than anything else |
| 06:10.41 | xarquid | mine open in tabs |
| 06:10.48 | Soccrmastr | you mean firefox 3* |
| 06:11.00 | xarquid | oops yes, i believe i do |
| 06:11.08 | xarquid | this is the transitional stage though for many distros |
| 06:11.19 | DrMitch | igoogle rss reader opens in a new window |
| 06:11.20 | Azar | I like new windows better than tabs |
| 06:11.26 | labanux | what is the right source list for unstable? |
| 06:11.30 | DrMitch | even though i have "open in new tabs" selected |
| 06:11.35 | alleyoopster | Azar: no worries, I used openbox for a while, it is nice, but not smart enough ;) |
| 06:11.39 | labanux | can it use security, and updates? |
| 06:11.58 | Azar | alleyoopster: I like very basic and simple apps to use.... |
| 06:12.13 | Peacimowen | DrMitch: debian can't package firefox as firefox anymore, so iceweasl is all there is from apt. |
| 06:12.20 | Azar | labanux: no , no security updates for unstable |
| 06:12.37 | alleyoopster | Azar: me too, have you seen the size of wmii, it is tiny, just a blank screen with a small management bar |
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| 06:12.56 | twobitsprite | RON PAUL!! |
| 06:12.57 | twobitsprite | (sorry) |
| 06:13.03 | Azar | alleyoopster: hehe my screen is so clean.... nothing on it but the bgimage :) |
| 06:13.07 | labanux | Azar: how about proposed-updates for unstable? |
| 06:13.10 | twobitsprite | (just finished watching the GOP debate) |
| 06:13.24 | Vasistha | so, is it in fact the case (as I have read) that NetworkManager cannot do static ip? |
| 06:13.24 | xarquid | and it's still opening in new windows even though you select open in new tabs? |
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| 06:13.44 | Vasistha | twobitsprite: Ron Paul -- he's a great guy, a libertarian at heart |
| 06:13.47 | Azar | labanux: unstable is just for testing future packages.... all packages are "unstable" , "buggy" fresh meat for testers |
| 06:13.54 | xarquid | vasistha: I have never been able to figure that out and have to do work arounds -- so the assumption that it CAN NOT would be correct to me and experience |
| 06:13.57 | Soccrmastr | what do I press to de-select an option in the debian installer? |
| 06:14.09 | alleyoopster | Azar: Openbox size 789174 wmii size 118994 |
| 06:14.10 | twobitsprite | Vasistha: indeed :) |
| 06:14.16 | xarquid | Network-Manager that is included on install is also not get at recognizing certain Lenovo z60m ATHEROS wifi cards <EG> |
| 06:14.34 | xarquid | soccrmastr: space bar after high lighting it |
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| 06:14.43 | xarquid | arrows / tab to move around |
| 06:14.48 | Soccrmastr | DWM is smaller than wmii, made by the same guy, and externally the same |
| 06:14.49 | xarquid | space bar after highlighting to select/de select |
| 06:14.56 | twobitsprite | anyways its late... night y'all... get some sleep will ya!? :P |
| 06:14.59 | Soccrmastr | ok thanks xarquid |
| 06:15.03 | Vasistha | xarquid: thanks ... I guess I'll just write some kind of absurd script to switch between nm and /etc/network/interfaces ... seems like it kinda defeats the purpose of ever having nm at all :) |
| 06:15.05 | Azar | hehe wm war |
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| 06:15.11 | alleyoopster | Azar: if size does indeed matter |
| 06:15.15 | labanux | Azar: and this unstable was use by ubuntu? |
| 06:15.17 | xarquid | vasistha: exactly |
| 06:15.24 | DanaG | Oh yeah, Firefox's "Find addons" link VIOLATES the "always in new tab" option! |
| 06:15.28 | xarquid | vasistha: nm made me mucho mad ;) |
| 06:15.33 | Azar | alleyoopster: size only matters when we talk about sex or food |
| 06:15.40 | Vasistha | xarquid: heh, nice alliteration ;) |
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| 06:15.58 | Azar | labanux: indeed, they picked the worse Debian version :) |
| 06:16.03 | xarquid | vasistha: English B.A. upcoming on May 12th did me much good, I see |
| 06:16.45 | alleyoopster | Azar: fishermen seem to think it is important |
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| 06:16.59 | Vasistha | xarquid: well, I'm glad it at least works now ... before I updated the driver, I couldn't connect with wireless at all ... and congrats!! Of course I guess you still have *finals week* ahead of you... but the end is in sight!! |
| 06:17.16 | xarquid | yus |
| 06:17.19 | Azar | labanux: Debian unstable is a sort of high risk mixture free to be taken and tried by anyone. |
| 06:17.24 | xarquid | last day is monday for last final :) already finished other 4 hehe |
| 06:17.42 | xarquid | yeah, I wish Debian recognized Atheros/correct drivers on install for NM |
| 06:17.56 | Vasistha | DanaG: yeah, that's one of the things that has just kept me using opera ... noone else seems to have the tabs figured out properly, whereas opera has been doing it properly -- MDI even -- for years and years |
| 06:17.58 | xarquid | For some reason Ubuntu does, but Debian doesn't quite like Atheros chipsets |
| 06:18.01 | xarquid | At least for me and NM |
| 06:18.15 | Azar | xarquid: buggy firmware? |
| 06:18.17 | xarquid | But me and NM net get along in either distro. -- just saying from the get-go installation Ubuntu recognized it hehe |
| 06:18.19 | DanaG | I can't stand having the menus inside the tabs. |
| 06:18.25 | xarquid | Azar: nah |
| 06:18.26 | DanaG | I think I remember it being like that. |
| 06:18.32 | DanaG | And it's not extension-able. |
| 06:18.42 | xarquid | Azar: firm ware is good, even opensuse recognized it. just took extra-configuring in Debian |
| 06:18.45 | xarquid | which I don't mind |
| 06:18.48 | DanaG | Oh, and got Adblock Plus? |
| 06:18.49 | xarquid | or never minded |
| 06:18.54 | xarquid | But now working all fine |
| 06:18.57 | Vasistha | xarquid: I dunno if any distro has out-of-box realtek support ... I'm just glad I was able to get it working *eventually* |
| 06:19.02 | Azar | xarquid: Debian did not bribed good enough the driver makers? |
| 06:19.08 | xarquid | vasistha: very true |
| 06:19.13 | xarquid | haha Azar |
| 06:19.16 | xarquid | probably |
| 06:19.35 | mnguyen | where is JAVA_HOME supposed to point to on debian? |
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| 06:19.59 | Azar | yeah Debian is free is getting only leftover garbage from proprietary software (driver manufacturers et al) |
| 06:20.00 | xarquid | night guys and gals |
| 06:20.13 | Azar | night xq |
| 06:20.20 | Vasistha | DanaG: heh, just goes to show, we don't like to change? |
| 06:20.23 | xarquid | feliz cinco de mayo! |
| 06:20.35 | Azar | ouch yes... it is gone |
| 06:20.43 | Vasistha | what 40 minutes is left of it... |
| 06:20.51 | xarquid | depends where you are |
| 06:20.53 | xarquid | it is gone for me |
| 06:21.00 | Azar | L.A. Cali |
| 06:21.05 | alleyoopster | mnguyen mine is /opt/java/jre |
| 06:21.07 | xarquid | so i had a beer to celebrate its gone ness after much drinking ness during the cinco part |
| 06:21.10 | Vasistha | Azar: me too .. where? |
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| 06:21.16 | Azar | Los Feliz |
| 06:21.24 | xarquid | lol |
| 06:21.26 | xarquid | appropriate |
| 06:21.31 | xarquid | go drink a dos equis |
| 06:21.34 | alleyoopster | what is 5th may for you guys? |
| 06:21.35 | xarquid | or corono/lime |
| 06:21.43 | Vasistha | Azar: I'm in Mar Vista (west LA) |
| 06:21.46 | xarquid | alleyoopster: it's a spanish holiday |
| 06:21.50 | Azar | alleyoopster: some mexican fiesta |
| 06:22.01 | alleyoopster | bueno |
| 06:22.05 | xarquid | :) |
| 06:22.10 | Vasistha | isn't it a *Mexican* holiday?? |
| 06:22.14 | Azar | speedy gonzalez's b-day |
| 06:22.17 | xarquid | any party for any time is a good party for whatever time |
| 06:22.23 | xarquid | yes, Mexican |
| 06:22.26 | xarquid | argh |
| 06:22.26 | mnguyen | alleyoopster, euur i meant the java-sun5-jdk package |
| 06:23.06 | Azar | well ok me too good night, work tomorrow.. sigh |
| 06:23.17 | xarquid | bleh |
| 06:23.19 | xarquid | night all |
| 06:23.40 | alleyoopster | mnguyen: dont know then |
| 06:23.42 | alleyoopster | night |
| 06:23.51 | alleyoopster | it is morning here |
| 06:23.54 | Vasistha | wow ... "In the United States, Cinco de Mayo has taken on a significance beyond its significance in Mexico.[4] Commercial interests in the United States have capitalized on the celebration advertising Mexican products and services" |
| 06:24.12 | alleyoopster | why doesnt that surprise me |
| 06:25.28 | mnguyen | alleyoopster, found it, thanks =D |
| 06:25.47 | alleyoopster | mnguyen: where was it? |
| 06:25.50 | Vasistha | I just wish I went to the Plaza downtown to see some performances :P oh well, I got my wireless card working properly, instead. I guess that's worth something. |
| 06:25.54 | labanux | Azar : but, my soundcard driver iss only work with unstable.., :(, as it works with latest ubuntu.. |
| 06:26.13 | Soccrmastr | Azar: why should I choose Mail server in the software selection? What is it for? |
| 06:26.13 | mnguyen | alleyoopster, /usr/lib/jvm/* |
| 06:26.28 | alleyoopster | ok |
| 06:27.02 | Soccrmastr | meh |
| 06:30.17 | labanux | !bug |
| 06:30.17 | dpkg | somebody said bug was bad news |
| 06:30.27 | labanux | !unstable bug |
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| 06:42.40 | Sazpaimon | so say my hosting company offers sarge in 64 bit, on an AMD64 system, and I upgrade that to etch. Would that be the same as using the official AMD64 etch? |
| 06:43.47 | dondelelcaro | Sazpaimon: pretty much |
| 06:44.02 | Sazpaimon | alright, cool |
| 06:44.24 | Sazpaimon | i just didnt want to be still using an unsupported distribution |
| 06:44.48 | dondelelcaro | well, sarge is still supported |
| 06:44.54 | Sazpaimon | in 64 bit? |
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| 06:45.00 | Sazpaimon | not officially i hear |
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| 06:45.47 | Sazpaimon | i swear i hope they didnt use xfs with this image |
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| 06:45.52 | dondelelcaro | well, the difficult part of supporting sarge is already done... |
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| 06:46.28 | Sazpaimon | right, but iirc it isnt OFFICIALLY support |
| 06:46.30 | Sazpaimon | *supported |
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| 06:46.38 | Sazpaimon | i'm sure some guys here will give you a hand |
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| 06:48.35 | dondelelcaro | nah, the only question that matters is whether it has security support |
| 06:48.58 | dondelelcaro | and since the hard bit is making the bakcport, and that's still going to be done, I can't imagine that the packages wouldn't be built for amd64 |
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| 06:49.17 | Sazpaimon | well, Im just going by the website |
| 06:49.24 | Sazpaimon | "AMD64 has been an officially supported Debian architecture since the release of Debian 4.0 (etch)." |
| 06:50.12 | muhoo | yeah, and it works like a champ toO! |
| 06:50.29 | Sazpaimon | that's good to hear |
| 06:50.30 | muhoo | got a core2duo machine running etch. all is well |
| 06:50.42 | muhoo | except for nspluginwrapper doesn't work, which makes baby flash jesus cry |
| 06:50.47 | Sazpaimon | so if this image gives me xfs as my filesystem |
| 06:50.53 | Sazpaimon | what steps do i need to do to get ext3 |
| 06:51.05 | FuzzyB | alright so i did |
| 06:51.07 | Sazpaimon | i assume i'd need to install debian from scratch then |
| 06:51.08 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, moving to etch is a good idea if you can do so easily/ |
| 06:51.08 | dondelelcaro | right; it wasn't officially supported before at all. |
| 06:51.19 | dondelelcaro | horray for laggy networks |
| 06:51.23 | muhoo | which is why forks like 64studio happened |
| 06:51.47 | mnguyen | i just installed debian... what's a good PDF reader? |
| 06:51.50 | dondelelcaro | well, there already was a amd64 debian port, it just wasn't officially supported |
| 06:51.52 | dondelelcaro | mnguyen: xpdf |
| 06:52.07 | muhoo | security updates from debian == good |
| 06:52.10 | Vasistha | mnguyen: xpdf, kpdf, or on the dark side, adobe's closed-source acroread |
| 06:52.32 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: yes... but the amd64 port has had security updates from debian since it was released |
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| 06:52.42 | mnguyen | Vasistha, ill give xpdf a shot. ive used acroread... its bloated just like all of adobe's readers =| |
| 06:53.04 | mnguyen | Vasistha, and i don't have kde installed... =| |
| 06:53.08 | dondelelcaro | xpdf is what I use personally; the only thing it does do is forms, which you have to use pdftk to do |
| 06:53.38 | Vasistha | mnguyen: yeah, it's super-bloated. I use it one time in 10, when I need some of its capability or want to use that interface and don't mind the long load time |
| 06:53.43 | mnguyen | dondelelcaro, you mean the only thing it doesn't do? |
| 06:54.13 | mnguyen | i like the new debian etch... i had sarge installed |
| 06:54.17 | mnguyen | and stopped using this system in a lifetime |
| 06:54.22 | mnguyen | since i got the new macbook |
| 06:54.33 | mnguyen | but went back and installed etch.. pretty sweet |
| 06:54.52 | mnguyen | not as pretty as ubuntu... but pretty close |
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| 06:55.50 | dondelelcaro | mnguyen: yerp |
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| 07:06.28 | RainbowW | trying to install quota. /etc/init.d/quota start produces no output. kernel support is on. but quotaon says no support mount points found. is a reboot required? what am i missing? |
| 07:07.27 | RainbowW | or even better, is quota support just broken in lenny? |
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| 07:08.22 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you need to edit /etc/fstab and have your volumes tagged for user and or group quota |
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| 07:08.50 | RainbowW | dutchfish: /dev/hda1 / ext1 defaults,errors=remount-ro,userquota 0 1 |
| 07:08.54 | RainbowW | sorry |
| 07:08.55 | RainbowW | usrquota |
| 07:10.04 | RainbowW | is it not possible to do user quotas for root? |
| 07:10.06 | RainbowW | (root fs) |
| 07:10.24 | Vasistha | RainbowW: did you try doing a remount, mount -o remount / |
| 07:10.27 | dutchfish | RainbowW, yes it is for that a reboot is requiered |
| 07:10.52 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you may also want quotatool |
| 07:11.05 | Vasistha | interesting ... another one of the few reasons to reboot a linux system :) |
| 07:11.21 | RainbowW | quotatool is installed. right now i just want the sucker to start. :-) |
| 07:11.29 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you cant unmount/mount / |
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| 07:12.10 | RainbowW | dutchfish, Vasistha's remount command didn't produce an error and after doing it, /etc/init.d/quota start is now checking. how long should that take for the first run, any clue? |
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| 07:12.27 | dutchfish | RainbowW, max a few min |
| 07:12.42 | dutchfish | RainbowW, how big is your volume (with data)? |
| 07:13.10 | RainbowW | okay it's done. quota format not supported in kernel. (it's an 80g drive) |
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| 07:13.41 | dutchfish | RainbowW, have you loaded modules for quota? |
| 07:13.55 | dutchfish | RainbowW, with a reboot its was auto done |
| 07:15.19 | Soccrmastr | debian doesnt come with iceweasel by default? |
| 07:15.35 | RainbowW | i've got enough running on this box right now that i'd really like to avoid a reboot if i can. re modules: no; what is the module called? find . -name quota in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7 produces no output. |
| 07:15.41 | valdyn | Soccrmastr: debian installs no graphical programs at all by default |
| 07:15.46 | dutchfish | RainbowW, depends if you installed a full desktop |
| 07:15.51 | Soccrmastr | ok |
| 07:16.05 | Soccrmastr | thanks |
| 07:16.06 | dutchfish | RainbowW, sorry |
| 07:16.09 | RainbowW | dutchfish, full desktop for quota support? And yes, gnome is installed. And no, I'm not using it for this. |
| 07:16.15 | RainbowW | Oh I see. Okay. :) |
| 07:17.22 | valdyn | Soccrmastr: base install is small and has no applications that aren't needed to administrate the system |
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| 07:17.32 | Soccrmastr | yes I like that ;) |
| 07:18.00 | RainbowW | at the last reboot, i didn't have the quota package installed. i assume therefore that i should NOT see any quota info in dmesg? |
| 07:18.05 | RainbowW | and that i might if i rebooted now? |
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| 07:18.21 | valdyn | RainbowW: wrong |
| 07:18.42 | valdyn | RainbowW: dmesg shows only kernel debugging output, not whatevewr your quota tools do |
| 07:18.56 | RainbowW | okay. so a reboot is now the next logical step i suppose? (sigh) |
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| 07:19.33 | valdyn | RainbowW: reboot is just a simple way to restart all services, it shouldnt be required |
| 07:20.31 | dutchfish | valdyn, even for installing quota? |
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| 07:21.04 | valdyn | dutchfish: i dont know specifics about quote, but since i can remount anything w/o rebooting, shouldnt be required |
| 07:21.06 | Vasistha | RainbowW: it's certainly unorthodox, though, to have a server that you don't want to reboot, which allows user data on the root partition :P |
| 07:21.12 | DanaG | here's a funny "beep-bomb" that does NOT fork, and that you can ctrl-c: |
| 07:21.13 | DanaG | :() { echo -ne \\a ; : ; } ; : |
| 07:21.26 | DanaG | what it does: beep, then call itself once in the foreground. |
| 07:21.40 | DanaG | It's fun with Beryl set to "wobble on beep" |
| 07:22.00 | RainbowW | valdyn, trying /etc/init.d/quota start produces "quotaon: quota format not supported in kernel" which speaks to me a need to reboot or recompile, although i'm using a stock kernel. |
| 07:22.20 | valdyn | RainbowW: 'modprobe quota' ? |
| 07:22.23 | DanaG | could also be beep() { echo -ne \\a ; beep ; } ; beep |
| 07:22.29 | RainbowW | module quota not found |
| 07:22.33 | valdyn | RainbowW: i really know nothing about quota, not even the kernel module name |
| 07:23.01 | dutchfish | !quota |
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| 07:23.18 | perlmonkey | mornin guys |
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| 07:23.53 | RainbowW | dpkg is super-slow today. |
| 07:23.53 | perlmonkey | I'm about to setup a soft-raid5(5x18.2GB) and wondered if anyone could recommend what size cluster I should be using, the howto suggests 32KB but ive heard people say a much larger cluster size is better these days for handling larger files |
| 07:23.54 | valdyn | RainbowW: rebooting is an issue for you? |
| 07:23.54 | DanaG | What splash does Debian use? |
| 07:23.54 | perlmonkey | I am also planning to put this raid on NFS |
| 07:24.02 | Vasistha | DanaG: I don't think it uses one by default. I don't have any boot splashes anywhere. |
| 07:24.05 | dutchfish | RainbowW, http://learnlinux.tsf.org.za/courses/build/sys-admin/ch05s02.html |
| 07:24.18 | RainbowW | valdyn, it's possible but requires shutting down a number of on-going running services, and i don't have hands-on on the box, it's a hosted server, so getting it going again if it doesn't come back up will be a huge, huge problem |
| 07:24.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
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| 07:25.03 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: depends what you're going to be hosting. Do you understand the technical reasons to do one or the other -- what the pros and cons are of each? |
| 07:26.04 | perlmonkey | Vasistha: primarily the raid will be used for mythtv for recordings, and also hosting some websites |
| 07:26.07 | valdyn | RainbowW: what's the filesystem on the partition(s) you want to set quota for? |
| 07:26.14 | RainbowW | valdyn, ext3 |
| 07:26.18 | dutchfish | perlmonkey, on a webserver most of the files are quiet small |
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| 07:26.40 | perlmonkey | true, but on mythtv they are large, like 1.5 - 2.5GB |
| 07:26.41 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: ahh. well, if you're hosting web sites, you're going to have a multitude of small files -- having large blocks will eat up disk space in that case |
| 07:27.07 | perlmonkey | should I perhaps not use the raid for both mythtv and websites then? |
| 07:27.13 | valdyn | RainbowW: grep -i quota /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:27.15 | perlmonkey | its not an efficient use of raid? |
| 07:28.09 | Sazpaimon | crap |
| 07:28.11 | dutchfish | perlmonkey, i think above all that i would not recommend softraid for that |
| 07:28.12 | Sazpaimon | these guys used xfs |
| 07:28.17 | Sazpaimon | how do I use ext3? |
| 07:28.18 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: the two things are really quite different ... I mean, I dunno, sure, you could. If you want to be silly bout it, you could even put the web sites on a loopback mount and have the best of both worlds |
| 07:28.19 | RainbowW | valdyn, netfilter_xt_match_quota=m, xfs_quota=y, quota=y, quotactl=y |
| 07:28.28 | Sazpaimon | do I nedto start a debian install from scratch |
| 07:28.41 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:28.48 | Sazpaimon | anyone know? |
| 07:28.52 | valdyn | RainbowW: so stock kernels do support quota anyway |
| 07:29.15 | perlmonkey | I think I will keep the websites and mythtv files separate then to keep things simple |
| 07:29.23 | Sazpaimon | because I REALLY dont want to use xfs anymore |
| 07:29.51 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: its not very hard to move an exiting debian install to a new partition |
| 07:29.55 | perlmonkey | so assuming now my raid has only small files for websites, and images/mp3, would 32KB be a suitable cluster size or should I go higher? |
| 07:29.56 | Sazpaimon | remotely? |
| 07:29.58 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: that would be the way to switch filesystems |
| 07:30.07 | dutchfish | RainbowW, as i said you could reboot or go in single user mode for quotacheck thats why |
| 07:30.08 | Sazpaimon | what about remotely |
| 07:30.17 | dutchfish | RainbowW, read my link |
| 07:30.25 | Sazpaimon | my server company gave me this debian sarge image |
| 07:30.26 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: sure. you just copy it from one partition to another, and set up grub's menu.lst to boot the new one |
| 07:30.44 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: if you have no remote access to the boot screen, that's always risky |
| 07:30.54 | Sazpaimon | i dont |
| 07:30.58 | Sazpaimon | I have serial console access |
| 07:31.03 | Sazpaimon | and regular root access |
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| 07:31.19 | RainbowW | dutchfish: single-user isn't a possibility. yes, am looking now. so that leads me to a question re single-user mode: it would appear that /etc/init.d/quota start will run quotacheck. where in the startup sequence must i put this for it to run in single user mode? |
| 07:31.21 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: not talking about serial console, about grub / bios from remote |
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| 07:31.31 | Sazpaimon | well, I dont have that |
| 07:31.36 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: that would require extra hardware anyway |
| 07:31.44 | Sazpaimon | but this is a fresh install, I dont have anything to lose |
| 07:32.15 | dutchfish | RainbowW, yup |
| 07:32.15 | RainbowW | as i indicated i don't have hands-on on this machine, so if it requires console i'm looking at a considerable expense |
| 07:32.15 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: oh, then reinstall isnt much worse.. |
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| 07:32.17 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: and needs less expertise |
| 07:32.19 | Sazpaimon | how would I go about that remotely? |
| 07:32.31 | dutchfish | RainbowW, the kernel does this auto on boot |
| 07:32.44 | RainbowW | does what auto on boot? run quotacheck? |
| 07:32.55 | dutchfish | RainbowW, it knows this from fstab |
| 07:33.03 | dutchfish | RainbowW, yes |
| 07:33.08 | RainbowW | okay. |
| 07:33.11 | perlmonkey | is there a more suitable chat venue I can ask questions about cluster size and filesystem optimizing? |
| 07:33.32 | valdyn | !remote install |
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| 07:33.50 | Sazpaimon | well, a quick google gave me this: http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 07:33.58 | Sazpaimon | is this the best guide? |
| 07:34.05 | valdyn | !ig |
| 07:34.12 | valdyn | wow dpkg is so broken |
| 07:34.21 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: its probably in the install guide too |
| 07:34.28 | dutchfish | valdyn, noticed thta too |
| 07:34.37 | Sazpaimon | yeah dpkg seems dead |
| 07:34.44 | perlmonkey | hi valdyn |
| 07:35.03 | RainbowW | he's just super-lagged |
| 07:35.05 | valdyn | hi |
| 07:35.16 | Vasistha | dpkg is lagging by a minute or so |
| 07:35.21 | perlmonkey | does MS's FAT32 have a max filesize of 4GB? |
| 07:35.21 | stoned | mm |
| 07:35.23 | dpkg | remote install is, like, Yes, Virginia, you can install Debian remotely via chroot, and some luck. See http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 07:35.25 | stoned | some drinkies |
| 07:35.26 | Sazpaimon | alright, let me kill off everything but ssh |
| 07:35.31 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: correct |
| 07:35.32 | stoned | some hot woman |
| 07:35.34 | valdyn | perlmonkey: yea |
| 07:35.34 | perlmonkey | hi stoned do you have the munchies |
| 07:35.36 | stoned | and some spider man on big screen |
| 07:35.39 | stoned | nope |
| 07:35.46 | stoned | I just got back from spiderman 3 |
| 07:35.48 | stoned | went out on a date |
| 07:35.53 | stoned | dude that movie was AWESOME |
| 07:35.59 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 07:36.16 | valdyn | perlmonkey: i belive it used to be 2G max on linux or something like that |
| 07:36.41 | Sazpaimon | alright, so |
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| 07:36.44 | Sazpaimon | before I do this |
| 07:37.04 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: what's wrong with xfs though? |
| 07:37.10 | Sazpaimon | should I repartition the entire system, or just leave it as is |
| 07:37.23 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, I perfer ext3's quota system better |
| 07:37.32 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:37.34 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: i would leave the current install alone, if you have the spare space |
| 07:37.41 | boodie | I installed googleearth-package, and I downloaded google-earth ... what do I do now?: |
| 07:37.45 | perlmonkey | valdyn: what is the limit presenting on ext2/3? |
| 07:37.50 | perlmonkey | *presently |
| 07:37.50 | valdyn | boodie: read the documentation |
| 07:38.14 | Vasistha | stoned: http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg |
| 07:38.21 | RainbowW | is ktorrent known to be a buggy piece of crap? (i can't get azeureus to run ...) |
| 07:38.36 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, well here is my current setup |
| 07:38.37 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/473455 |
| 07:38.39 | stoned | http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070505.jpg |
| 07:38.41 | stoned | doh |
| 07:39.00 | dutchfish | boodie, googleerth on the command prompt (non root) |
| 07:39.00 | dutchfish | boodie, googlearth on the command prompt (non root) |
| 07:39.00 | boodie | valdyn: problem is, I don't have any |
| 07:39.03 | perlmonkey | Linux filesystem does not need defragmenting, why? Windows does regularly eh |
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| 07:39.19 | valdyn | perlmonkey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 07:39.24 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 07:39.46 | dutchfish | boodie, xtem? |
| 07:39.50 | Sazpaimon | I guess using /tmp would be my best bet |
| 07:39.50 | stoned | hahaha |
| 07:39.51 | stoned | thats hilarious |
| 07:39.51 | Sazpaimon | hmm, interesting |
| 07:39.52 | Soccrmastr | goodnight |
| 07:39.54 | stoned | I want to see the maniac. the crazy cirminal get taken over by the symbiont. I wanted CARNAGE! but too bad, in the movie they destroyed the symbiont AND eddie brock |
| 07:39.55 | valdyn | perlmonkey: windows filesystems defrag is just largely a marketing thing to sell defraggers too |
| 07:40.04 | stoned | the ending of spidey3 was kinda gay |
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| 07:40.09 | valdyn | perlmonkey: as various benchmarks before and after defragging show |
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| 07:40.21 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 07:40.23 | Sazpaimon | there, let me try this server |
| 07:40.29 | RainbowW | that comic is ... ugly. some of the ladies among us who have survived sexual assaults would appreciate it if we could please refrain from popping those kinds of jokes. |
| 07:40.32 | stoned | whoah 12 sec lag |
| 07:40.33 | stoned | !ping |
| 07:40.36 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the cartoon or the comics or what? |
| 07:40.38 | perlmonkey | ext3 = 16GB to 1TB |
| 07:40.38 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/473456 , this is my fstab |
| 07:40.43 | boodie | dutchfish: it says "there is no manual entry for googleearth-package" |
| 07:40.52 | stoned | dondelelcaro: cartoons. the ones from saturday mornings |
| 07:41.00 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I got the dvds and ripped em |
| 07:41.03 | Soccrmastr | no, I had a fragmented NTFS drive, I had a dual boot with Wubi. It said in the FAQ for Wubi to defrag, as it will increase boot up speed for Ubuntu. I ddi it and it went much noticeably faster boot |
| 07:41.06 | Soccrmastr | lol |
| 07:41.06 | perlmonkey | valdyn: i see |
| 07:41.09 | Soccrmastr | goodnight |
| 07:41.09 | dondelelcaro | stoned: ah |
| 07:41.19 | Sazpaimon | would I REALLY need to reinstall? / is already seemingly ext3, only /usr /var/ and /home are xfs |
| 07:41.22 | dutchfish | boodie, google [tab] heard about tab-completion |
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| 07:41.32 | stoned | man I love not being high |
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| 07:41.39 | stoned | its great... almost 3 months sober now |
| 07:41.41 | stoned | ;D |
| 07:41.41 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, couldnt these be repartitioned without much error? |
| 07:41.45 | perlmonkey | it depends how fragmented the filesystem is I guess but the performance increase would be minimal in most cases? |
| 07:42.00 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: you never needed to reinstall |
| 07:42.00 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: defragging fat32 is truly a necessity. It's a poorly designed fs, and it gets fragmented very easily, very quickly. linux filesystems do not fragment easily (although technically they *can* fragment over a period of many years) |
| 07:42.06 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: its just one easy solution |
| 07:42.07 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:42.11 | Nyle | !fat32 |
| 07:42.12 | boodie | dutchfish: yes - nothing completes if I write goo<tab> |
| 07:42.18 | Nyle | oh nm, dpkg is lagged |
| 07:42.23 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: whats going on with dpkg? |
| 07:42.26 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 07:42.36 | perlmonkey | does XP use fat32? |
| 07:42.38 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 07:42.47 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it gets lagged out sometimes |
| 07:42.48 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: with your partition split you can umount all of those xfs systems even life, just by going to single user mode ( or even in standard runlevel 2 if you just stop services ) |
| 07:42.49 | dutchfish | boodie, btw it is googleearth |
| 07:42.55 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, yeah, I know, but what I mean is wouldnt repartitionin be easier in this case, seeing as /bin and everything but /var /usr/ and /home arent xfs |
| 07:43.00 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: can you make him reconnect to a different server or I dunno why its lagged. does it get lagged out from too many commands to it? |
| 07:43.14 | Nyle | or just generally sometimes lag? |
| 07:43.23 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: yea |
| 07:43.25 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it has nothing to do with the server it's on; the box it's on sometimes freaks out |
| 07:43.30 | RainbowW | how do i convert blocks and inodes to some measure of drive space i can understand? |
| 07:43.30 | Nyle | ahh |
| 07:43.33 | boodie | dutchfish: bash: googleearth: command not found |
| 07:43.45 | valdyn | RainbowW: why would you need that? |
| 07:43.46 | Sazpaimon | in reality, I only think I need /home to be ext3 |
| 07:43.50 | perlmonkey | I think XP uses NTFS same as NT |
| 07:43.51 | valdyn | RainbowW: isn't df good enough? |
| 07:43.54 | Sazpaimon | since that's all I need quota for |
| 07:43.58 | dutchfish | boodie, if you installe dit that should work |
| 07:44.07 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 07:44.10 | RainbowW | valdyn, i'm going to assume you mean to be sarcastic. |
| 07:44.11 | dondelelcaro | the box is probably hitting swap hard for somereason |
| 07:44.19 | valdyn | RainbowW: nope |
| 07:44.21 | Sazpaimon | but I guess its best to be consistent |
| 07:44.26 | valdyn | RainbowW: df shows 1 kilobyte sized blocks |
| 07:44.34 | dondelelcaro | (well, it's probably the obvious "not enough memory" reason) |
| 07:44.39 | Vasistha | RainbowW: a block is going to be a number of bytes equal to a power of 2, e.g. 4 KB. An inode comprises one or more blocks. |
| 07:44.40 | boodie | dutchfish: this is why I am here seeking help ... |
| 07:44.44 | schme | RainbowW: df -h is also an idea |
| 07:44.59 | dpkg | Since Sat May 5 11:05:04 2007, there have been 5 modifications, 241 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 69 commands. I have been awake for 20h 39m 20s this session, and currently reference 37303 factoids. I'm using about 15844 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 129.82/11.34 child 0/0.02 |
| 07:45.00 | valdyn | RainbowW: the number of inodes specifies the maximum number of files you can have |
| 07:45.05 | dutchfish | boodie, i have no clue, what system are you on? kernel? version OS? |
| 07:45.10 | valdyn | RainbowW: and df shows the 'real' size |
| 07:45.13 | boodie | etch |
| 07:45.14 | Nyle | don yea.. I can donate some mem to the box if someone would pay for shipping. I got tons of ram laying around. what kind does the box have/need? |
| 07:45.22 | Sazpaimon | alright so, first I guess I should install parted, huh |
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| 07:45.30 | dondelelcaro | the motherboard in it is maxed out |
| 07:45.32 | RainbowW | valdyn, i've rebooted the machine and am now trying to use edquota -u username to actually set the limit. is that the incorrect tool? |
| 07:45.48 | valdyn | RainbowW: i know nothing about quota. |
| 07:45.57 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: how many slots? 2 or 4? |
| 07:46.01 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: 3 |
| 07:46.04 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:46.17 | dondelelcaro | but it's a bios limitation; I've got 512M sticks |
| 07:46.19 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you have installed quotatool? |
| 07:46.32 | RainbowW | dutchfish, yes |
| 07:46.36 | Nyle | dondelelcaro: what kinda mobo is it |
| 07:46.37 | perlmonkey | Reiser4 is not as good as ext3? |
| 07:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: abit bm6 |
| 07:47.03 | dondelelcaro | (a totally PoS, but it kind of works) |
| 07:47.07 | Vasistha | !tell perlmonkey -about reiser |
| 07:47.08 | Guerin | perlmonkey: nobody knows. It hasn't been around long enough. |
| 07:47.08 | Nyle | never owned one, heard some great reviews about abit being an enthusiast board though |
| 07:47.13 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 07:47.27 | Vasistha | oh, that factoid is about the *old* reiser, huh? :P |
| 07:47.28 | valdyn | perlmonkey: reiser4 is NOT production ready |
| 07:47.43 | dondelelcaro | well, they're ok and it's been running non-stop for getting on to 8 years, so it's not *too* crappy |
| 07:47.51 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:47.53 | RainbowW | dutchfish, quotatool -u username /dev/hda1 produces quotatool: Error while deteting kernal quota version: No such process. |
| 07:47.53 | Nyle | RFS3 is ok, but slow as the junebugs in mollasses.. pretty thick molasses |
| 07:48.24 | perlmonkey | why is there a "Google Filesystem" listed as a Linux filesystem type, yet no data is available on it at all. |
| 07:48.40 | dondelelcaro | perlmonkey: because they run it on linux, but it's never been released, AFAIK |
| 07:48.41 | Nyle | google filesystem afaik is online thing.. you can use your gmail space as a fs on linux/windows |
| 07:48.45 | Nyle | i think... |
| 07:48.45 | RainbowW | perlmonkey, isn't that some kind of hack that uses gmail as a file storage tool or something? |
| 07:48.45 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 07:48.46 | PingFloyd | perlmonkey: try googling it |
| 07:48.48 | Nyle | isn't it |
| 07:49.05 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 07:49.49 | dutchfish | RainbowW, at the bottom: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/47 |
| 07:49.50 | Vasistha | Seems like I read somewhere that google actually developed their own filesystem that they use internally ... perhaps I'm confusing factoids |
| 07:50.01 | Nyle | Vasistha: that is also true |
| 07:50.13 | valdyn | gfs is a shared fs, its nothing for individual boxes |
| 07:50.15 | Nyle | Vasistha: isn't there also like a google linux |
| 07:50.23 | Nyle | for thier clustering purposes |
| 07:50.26 | valdyn | blocks size 64MB or somesuch |
| 07:50.38 | perlmonkey | I understand now |
| 07:50.38 | Nyle | holy mojambo |
| 07:50.39 | Vasistha | Nyle: probably. they develop whatever they need :D |
| 07:50.43 | valdyn | very handy for lustering xx thousand computers |
| 07:50.47 | valdyn | very handy for clustering xx thousand computers |
| 07:50.54 | valdyn | ( for google anyway ) |
| 07:50.59 | Nyle | my back hurts |
| 07:50.59 | perlmonkey | what about cluster sizing tho on a local filesystem? |
| 07:51.01 | Nyle | owie |
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| 07:51.26 | perlmonkey | I still don't understand the tradeoffs between small v larger cluster size |
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| 07:51.42 | perlmonkey | and how to decide what is a suitable cluster size for any given situation |
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| 07:52.00 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: oh, alright. see, whatever your block size is -- say it's 4 KB -- even if you have a 2-byte file, it will take one block, 4 KB. |
| 07:52.12 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:52.33 | kairu0 | perlmonkey, smaller cluster size = better efficiency |
| 07:52.52 | perlmonkey | so if I go with the default 32KB cluster size recommended for raid-5 I should be fine? |
| 07:53.24 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: so, considering that *most* of the files on your linux system are relatively small, it is generally wasteful to use large blocks. However, when you have extremely large files (like you will for your mythtv stuff) then it's more efficient to have larger blocks, so the FS doesn't have to scan through so many of them -- it can get fewer large blocks quicker |
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| 07:53.34 | RainbowW | dutchfish, Error while detecing kernal quota version: No such process. Is there supposted to be a quotad or something running? or some other daemon i might have killed at some point because i wasn't running quota? |
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| 07:53.57 | perlmonkey | ahh yes I can begin to see now, so really it depends on the size of your files |
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| 07:54.14 | perlmonkey | so mixing very small and very large files is not very efficient use of space eh |
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| 07:54.26 | dutchfish | RainbowW, modprobe quota (its a kernel module) |
| 07:54.27 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... and dediate a filesystem to the data that's going to have large blocks. It's pretty common to go the other way and modify filesystem paramters where many small, frequently updated files are concerned (mail and news spools, eg). |
| 07:54.38 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: exactly. so, when you say you're mixing mythtv with a web server ... it just doesn't make sense to put those two on the same partition with same-sized blocks |
| 07:54.39 | RainbowW | dutchfish, module quota not found. |
| 07:54.48 | perlmonkey | understood |
| 07:54.58 | valdyn | perlmonkey: that cluster size does not directly affect efficiency for small files |
| 07:55.00 | dutchfish | RainbowW, what kernel do you have? |
| 07:55.00 | perlmonkey | I will definitely have these two data files on separate filesystems now |
| 07:55.24 | perlmonkey | valdyn: you mean having 32KB? |
| 07:55.35 | RainbowW | stock 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 07:55.42 | perlmonkey | but it certainly would for larger files right? |
| 07:55.42 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you will have an fs with, say 1k sized blocks translating to a random 32k sized cluster of your raid being addressed |
| 07:55.56 | valdyn | perlmonkey: not directly, no |
| 07:55.59 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 07:56.08 | valdyn | perlmonkey: i dont know benchmarks about this |
| 07:56.09 | dutchfish | RainbowW, looks like mod-depends is not correct or this ko file is missing |
| 07:56.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 07:56.36 | valdyn | perlmonkey: the default is probably just fine |
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| 07:56.57 | RainbowW | dutchfish, solution? some kind of forcible reinstall? |
| 07:57.05 | perlmonkey | valdyn: for separate files (not large and small on same filesystem) though? |
| 07:57.29 | dutchfish | RainbowW, no, try locate *quota.ko |
| 07:57.33 | boodie | Anybody tried google GSPACE with Firefox? |
| 07:57.35 | valdyn | perlmonkey: no idea |
| 07:57.39 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 07:57.41 | valdyn | perlmonkey: as i said, no benchmarks |
| 07:57.49 | valdyn | perlmonkey: your harddisk dies readahead ANYWAY so uh |
| 07:57.53 | perlmonkey | these guys seem to think its a bad idea and I'm inclined to agree |
| 07:57.56 | valdyn | perlmonkey: ( as does the kernel ) |
| 07:58.09 | valdyn | perlmonkey: loading 32k vs loading 1k does not make a huge difference |
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| 07:58.40 | xingu | from memory xfs can handle those sorts of hints with directory attributes |
| 07:58.44 | perlmonkey | I guess it depends a lot on the setup and how the data is being accessed |
| 07:58.47 | valdyn | perlmonkey: now if you had to load thousands of files you might see a difference in memory usage, but only if those files are spread and not on identical clusters |
| 07:58.54 | perlmonkey | you cant give a definitive answer for all situations |
| 07:59.00 | RainbowW | both that and find / -name quota.ko produce no (useful) output. i've already found that /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/ doesn't contain any file of that filespec either. |
| 07:59.26 | RainbowW | dutchfish, in fact, none of the old /lib/modules directories laying about do. |
| 07:59.38 | dutchfish | RainbowW, i dont dont know why but thats not ok |
| 07:59.39 | perlmonkey | but generally speaking, mixing very large and very tiny files on a raid with 32kb cluster size does not make good sense eh |
| 07:59.41 | valdyn | perlmonkey: then again if we are talking about like a Maildir, then you would usually access adjacent files anway so cluster size wouldnt affect anything ( just in theory ) |
| 08:00.24 | perlmonkey | in theory |
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| 08:00.36 | perlmonkey | but this is a production server :-/ |
| 08:00.48 | perlmonkey | i need to get it right |
| 08:01.24 | dutchfish | RainbowW, or... wait it could be compiled into the kernel not as module |
| 08:01.33 | perlmonkey | last time i had a mixture of large files and small files on 32kb cluster raid-5 and it was ok, as the large files were accessed very infrequently |
| 08:01.43 | RainbowW | dutchfish, it's showing as =y in /boot/config which indicates that is what happened. |
| 08:01.47 | RainbowW | so what's with the version mismatch? |
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| 08:02.06 | dutchfish | RainbowW, whats does modprobe quota , lsmod | grep quota tells you |
| 08:02.24 | perlmonkey | but i came under some criticism for using such small cluster size, someone said with the increase in block device sizes now, its better to use a 4mb cluster size |
| 08:02.55 | Sazpaimon | alright, so, what process do I need to do to repartition /usr /var and /home without losing data |
| 08:03.01 | dutchfish | dutchfish, i am wrong, forget the last 1 |
| 08:03.01 | valdyn | perlmonkey: i think smaller than 32k makes no sense anyway |
| 08:03.10 | valdyn | perlmonkey: due to read ahead per each disk |
| 08:03.13 | perlmonkey | ok so 32kb is about the limit |
| 08:03.17 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 08:03.17 | xingu | "An XFS file system allows you to select a logical block size for the filesystem directory that is greater than the logical block size of the filesystem by using the -n option of the mkfs command. This allows you to choose a filesystem block size to match the distribution of data file sizes without adversely affecting directory operation performance." |
| 08:03.35 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you have to ask others because i am running much newer kernels then yours |
| 08:03.47 | dutchfish | RainbowW, cant check this out here |
| 08:03.47 | Sazpaimon | so I just cp -R to a temporary location, umount, fdisk, and mv back? |
| 08:03.52 | RainbowW | dutchfish, no output. but as i said, cat /boot/config-2.6.18-4-k7 | grep QUOTA produces XFS_QUOTA=y QUOTA=y, QUOTACTL=y, which tells me it's built in. |
| 08:03.59 | Sazpaimon | is that essentially it? |
| 08:04.00 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: NO |
| 08:04.03 | dutchfish | RainbowW, yes |
| 08:04.03 | perlmonkey | since the majority of my files are webpages/images and the primary function of the server is webserver hosting, 32kb is probably a safe cluster size, even if larger files are present eh |
| 08:04.05 | RainbowW | dutchfish, you custom compile? since i can't console this machine, i've tried to avoid doing that |
| 08:04.05 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: use cp -a |
| 08:04.05 | Sazpaimon | oh okay |
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| 08:04.14 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: cp -R would fuck your permissions |
| 08:04.22 | Sazpaimon | oh right |
| 08:04.23 | Sazpaimon | duh |
| 08:04.36 | perlmonkey | sorry to go on guys, but i just want to be 100% sure before I press ahead, I dont want to get setup and realise I made a boo boo and have to start all over again |
| 08:04.40 | dutchfish | RainbowW, all my kernels are custom compiled using 2.6.20-9 atm |
| 08:04.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: from my own experience it proves a good idea in practice to ensure that your filesystem block size aligns with stripe width and the hdd cacheline length |
| 08:04.55 | Sazpaimon | ok, cp -a, fdisk, and mv, correct? |
| 08:05.19 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: i wouldnt use mv ever |
| 08:05.21 | xingu | perlmonkey: you can turn a reasonable storage pack into a slower-than-liquid-camel-dung experience by getting that bit wrong. |
| 08:05.25 | perlmonkey | xingu: phew that sounds terribly technical |
| 08:05.26 | Sazpaimon | ... ok |
| 08:05.35 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 08:05.38 | Vasistha | Sazpaimon: yeah, do another cp -a and make sure everything's good |
| 08:05.40 | Sazpaimon | cp -a, fdisk, cp -a, and rm -rf |
| 08:05.42 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: just generally, there's no reason to delete stuff like that |
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| 08:05.58 | RainbowW | dutchfish, is there a way to tell what version of quota/quotatools this kernel expects? or is that semi-version-independent for current versions of lenny? or do we know? or, as another alternative, should i just go shoot myself? |
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| 08:06.01 | dutchfish | xingu, could you please help RainbowW with wierd quota problems? |
| 08:06.02 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: deleting a whole partition's files is better done with mkfs |
| 08:06.24 | xingu | dutchfish: nope, my own linux experience with it is a dismal failure too. :) |
| 08:06.27 | perlmonkey | my setup is NFS over soft-raid-5(5 x 18.2GB wide ultra scsi) |
| 08:06.30 | Sazpaimon | ah, ok |
| 08:06.43 | dutchfish | RainbowW, are you on lenny? |
| 08:06.48 | Sazpaimon | mkfs i assume automates the process better |
| 08:07.03 | perlmonkey | is there anything newer or better than NFS to use now? |
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| 08:07.29 | dutchfish | RainbowW, what does your /etc/apt/sources.list tells you? |
| 08:07.36 | Guerin | perlmonkey: no. |
| 08:07.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:07.52 | Guerin | perlmonkey: unless you want several orders of magnitude more complication, or flakiness. |
| 08:07.52 | xingu | perlmonkey: I can pretty much guarentee that your hw blocksize is 512b - do you know how big a cluster is on one of the spindles? |
| 08:08.08 | perlmonkey | hehe err no thanks :P |
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| 08:08.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: what are the disks? spec sheets tell you these things |
| 08:08.36 | perlmonkey | xingu: i am not sure but could find out |
| 08:08.40 | RainbowW | dutchfish, assuming lenny has been rolled out to ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free, yes, i'm using lenny. |
| 08:08.41 | xingu | perlmonkey: ... :) |
| 08:08.45 | Guerin | raid5, WTF |
| 08:08.54 | dutchfish | RainbowW, a production machine? |
| 08:08.57 | Sazpaimon | okay, then vi fstab and change xfs to ext3, cp -a /usr/ /tmp/, umount /usr/, mkfs.ext3 /dev/md5, cp -a /tmp/ /usr/, rm -rf /tmp/* |
| 08:09.01 | Sazpaimon | how does THAT sound? |
| 08:09.04 | perlmonkey | xingu: the disks are 18.2GB wide ultra scsi, various manufacturers |
| 08:09.15 | xingu | perlmonkey: eek, that's a bad concept. :) |
| 08:09.21 | perlmonkey | Guerin: what's wrong with raid-5? |
| 08:09.40 | xingu | "everything" |
| 08:09.43 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, that sound better? |
| 08:09.47 | xingu | cripplingly slow write performance |
| 08:09.52 | perlmonkey | xingu: but its a case of economy/budget eh, I can't get all devices by same manufacturer/spec unfortunately |
| 08:09.55 | xingu | rubbish read performance in the degraded case |
| 08:10.20 | Sazpaimon | oh and at the end mount /dev/md5 /usr/ |
| 08:10.20 | RainbowW | dutchfish, i'm well aware of the risks of using testing on a production machine, but the short answer to your question is yes. but please spare me the warnings. i hope i've demonstrated with my questions that i'm not entirely stupid, only moderately so. :) |
| 08:10.20 | perlmonkey | i found raid-5 to be fine, had no performance issues at all |
| 08:10.34 | xingu | perlmonkey: in that case it probably doesn't matter what you set your fs blocksize to - your io ops aren't going to be whole cluster aligned on at least one spindle |
| 08:10.34 | Sazpaimon | ...right? |
| 08:10.40 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: your copy operations arent right |
| 08:10.43 | dutchfish | RainbowW, that i asumed |
| 08:10.48 | perlmonkey | xingu: ok |
| 08:10.53 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: cp /tmp/ /usr/ creates /usr/tmp |
| 08:11.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: so you'll be leaning on the fs cache on the client to normalise access patterns and provide performance; hope you have budget for lots of that. :) |
| 08:11.09 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: you would see that soon enough though |
| 08:11.10 | Sazpaimon | oh dur |
| 08:11.21 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you did a dist-upgrade already? |
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| 08:11.24 | Sazpaimon | cp -a /tmp/* /usr/ |
| 08:11.26 | Sazpaimon | that better? |
| 08:11.53 | dutchfish | RainbowW, no hold backs? |
| 08:11.56 | RainbowW | dutchfish, i do them regularly, although according to packages.debian.org, quota for both stable and testing are the same version, 3.14-7. |
| 08:12.08 | dutchfish | RainbowW, yes |
| 08:12.11 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, but in general, that's essentially the gist of it right? |
| 08:12.16 | valdyn | Sazpaimon: yea |
| 08:12.29 | Sazpaimon | well that doesnt seem too hard |
| 08:12.33 | perlmonkey | xingu: my clients, are my workstation which is scsi ultra160 and my laptop |
| 08:12.33 | RainbowW | i'll run it now, hadn't in a few days (tho i have a number of times since etch release) |
| 08:12.40 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you did the last weeks kernel update for 2.6.18-4? |
| 08:12.51 | Vasistha | nn |
| 08:12.58 | RainbowW | dutchfish, kernel is 2.6.18-4-k7, yes |
| 08:13.00 | perlmonkey | xingu: i want to use NFS to centralise my /home on clients |
| 08:13.05 | RainbowW | and yes, i've rebooted since installing it :) |
| 08:13.19 | Sazpaimon | also, /dev/md7 /home xfs defaults,usrquota 0 2, do I need to change usrquota to something else for ext3? |
| 08:13.22 | dutchfish | RainbowW, what filessystem for root? |
| 08:13.27 | RainbowW | dutchfish, ext3 |
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| 08:13.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: nb it's a good idea if your storage controller supports command queueing of some description; ahci sata for intel, check capabilities for others; most scsd/fc controllers will these days |
| 08:13.50 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:13.54 | xingu | perlmonkey: no clue about sas but I'd assume so given the market |
| 08:14.02 | dutchfish | RainbowW, can you paste your fstab to pastebin? |
| 08:14.12 | perlmonkey | scsi is superior to sata |
| 08:14.13 | xingu | s/scsd/scsi/ |
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| 08:14.22 | dutchfish | RainbowW, and check /etc/modules too |
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| 08:14.35 | xingu | perlmonkey: only if the storage target is intelligent I'm afraid |
| 08:14.46 | xingu | perlmonkey: it's about even stevens for jbod |
| 08:14.49 | Sazpaimon | before I do this, where do I check to see if ext3 quota support is compiled in my kernel? |
| 08:14.57 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:15.24 | xingu | perlmonkey: particularly when ncq is thrown into the mix |
| 08:15.43 | RainbowW | dutchfish, pastebin is broken. |
| 08:15.57 | perlmonkey | sata is catching up but you can still get superior performance at the lower end scsi drives which are very cheap these days |
| 08:16.01 | dutchfish | RainbowW, you have not much luck today ... hold on |
| 08:16.12 | RainbowW | dutchfish, #flood if you wish |
| 08:16.39 | dutchfish | RainbowW, try this 1 : http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 08:17.12 | RainbowW | dutchfish, http://pastebin.ca/473480 |
| 08:17.12 | perlmonkey | I purchased a 76GB scsi ultra160 for Ā£15 |
| 08:17.28 | xingu | new, or used? :) |
| 08:17.37 | RainbowW | dutchfish, we have already determined that quota is built into the kernel, not a module. |
| 08:17.48 | Sazpaimon | Im guessing CONFIG_QUOTA=y in my kernel config meand that i have ext3 support, right? |
| 08:17.51 | Shadowcat | what is dutchfish doing? |
| 08:17.52 | Sazpaimon | *means |
| 08:17.52 | perlmonkey | looks new, but its been used |
| 08:18.00 | Sazpaimon | *ext3 quota support |
| 08:18.11 | Shadowcat | couldn't resist :P |
| 08:18.11 | perlmonkey | i bought a brand new factory sealed 18.2GB for Ā£5 |
| 08:18.12 | RainbowW | Shadowcat, trying to help me get quota going on a lenny box |
| 08:18.15 | peterS | RainbowW: not quite - there is quota_v1.ko and quota_v2.ko |
| 08:18.18 | xingu | perlmonkey: give it a coloscopy with smartmontools and see how many power on hours its had |
| 08:18.27 | peterS | RainbowW: I'm not sure which version the userspace tool uses |
| 08:18.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:18.30 | xingu | perlmonkey: if it's getting on for 2-3y it's probably due to fail |
| 08:18.46 | dutchfish | RainbowW, usrquota comes after defaults then the rest |
| 08:19.00 | perlmonkey | ive had scsi drives in my old raid now for many years all purchased as 2nd user, none have failed or given me any problems |
| 08:19.09 | perlmonkey | scsi is very reliable |
| 08:19.13 | xingu | the words "crap" and "shoot" spring to mind |
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| 08:19.42 | perlmonkey | thats the good thing about raid-5 |
| 08:19.52 | xingu | there's nothing good about raid-5. :) |
| 08:19.53 | Shadowcat | SCSI can last for bloody ages unless you happen to be a disciple of Oracle, mySQL, or the like |
| 08:19.57 | perlmonkey | you dont need to concern yourself about buying new drives and shelling out $$$ |
| 08:19.57 | xingu | raid6 otoh |
| 08:20.10 | peterS | perlmonkey: SCSI may be reliable, but that doesn't mean SCSI cards, SCSI cables, and SCSI disks are reliable |
| 08:20.25 | xingu | scsi disks wear just as quickly as their ata cousins I find |
| 08:20.31 | perlmonkey | well the technology is more reliable than ide i would say without any doubt |
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| 08:20.41 | xingu | and we've got enough of them in the field that there's at least four spindle failures in any given month |
| 08:20.44 | peterS | perlmonkey: in particular, SCSI disks fail as often as any other disks based on the same hard disk technology |
| 08:20.45 | Shadowcat | xingu: I've had ATA disks last a decade |
| 08:20.49 | perlmonkey | xingu: that hasnt been my experience |
| 08:21.03 | perlmonkey | peterS: not in my experience |
| 08:21.04 | Shadowcat | xingu: maybe your sample variance is large enough to turn up flaws |
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| 08:21.10 | dutchfish | Shadowcat, can you help me and RainbowW out here? |
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| 08:21.20 | perlmonkey | and ive been running ide and scsi servers for over 10 years now |
| 08:21.26 | xingu | Shadowcat: it is. :) we've found/resolved hdd firmware bugs before |
| 08:21.37 | Shadowcat | xingu: then you don't count :P |
| 08:21.43 | RainbowW | dutchfish, i found the modules Shadowcat mentioned, i'm trying to figure out which one to load. of course i guess i could just start with v2 and see what happens. :-) |
| 08:21.46 | Shadowcat | we're talking about average joe scsi user here |
| 08:21.50 | Shadowcat | not some major OEM :P |
| 08:21.54 | peterS | RainbowW: there is no harm in loading both |
| 08:22.11 | perlmonkey | scsi seem to perform much better and also last longer with hardly any degrading, whereas ide seem to get noticeably slower over time |
| 08:22.12 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, alright, i umounted /usr and repartitioned /dev/md5 |
| 08:22.14 | xingu | if joe scsi user isn't keeping those disks running flat tack with iops all day every day then the disks will last a lot longer |
| 08:22.14 | dutchfish | RainbowW, ok |
| 08:22.15 | xingu | *but* |
| 08:22.20 | RainbowW | peterS, okay. tho the README.Debian for quotatools says 2.4 uses the old format, which suggests that 2.6 should use the one one. |
| 08:22.24 | Sazpaimon | now when I try to mount I get: mount: /dev/md5 already mounted or /usr busy |
| 08:22.25 | xingu | recycled disks come from people who push them the way we do |
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| 08:22.30 | xingu | so be very, very careful |
| 08:22.30 | Sazpaimon | but mount dosnt show /dev/md5 |
| 08:22.49 | xingu | top two disk killers are - heat, and vibration (yes really) |
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| 08:23.00 | Shadowcat | xingu: as I said, unless you happen to be a database admin, the disks will run for a long time |
| 08:23.01 | perlmonkey | xingu: as i said tho, with raid its no an issue at all, i dont care if a drive fails, i just change it. not that its ever happened to me in 10 years |
| 08:23.21 | Shadowcat | hell I still have an original Quantum drive here that works |
| 08:23.24 | dutchfish | xingu, specially with the large drivers > 700G |
| 08:23.26 | Shadowcat | 127mb drive |
| 08:23.32 | Shadowcat | I got USB sticks larger than this |
| 08:23.34 | dutchfish | xingu, drives* |
| 08:23.45 | xingu | Shadowcat: I've got an a3000 with its original 20G quantum. :) |
| 08:23.57 | perlmonkey | raid5 v raid6... raid6 allows up to 2 drive redundancy? |
| 08:23.57 | Shadowcat | pfft, I wim |
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| 08:23.59 | Shadowcat | win* |
| 08:23.59 | xingu | 20M, 20G |
| 08:24.04 | xingu | units, who needs 'em |
| 08:24.05 | Guerin | 20G? Don't you mean 20MB? |
| 08:24.06 | Shadowcat | d0h, ok, you win |
| 08:24.21 | Shadowcat | damnit, someone dig up an original IBM HD |
| 08:24.31 | Shadowcat | the 5 1/4 type |
| 08:24.33 | RainbowW | when i run /etc/init.d/quota start, should it leave a daemon running? |
| 08:24.33 | perlmonkey | I dont think I need that much redundancy, raid-5 suits me fine |
| 08:24.37 | Guerin | and a classic mac with a 20MB |
| 08:24.57 | perlmonkey | does raid-6 would also have even worse write performance than raid-5 with two stripes to write eh |
| 08:24.57 | Shadowcat | Guerin: you're all a bunch of old farts :P |
| 08:24.58 | xingu | now they really did get hot |
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| 08:26.07 | Shadowcat | that hard drive is probably older than I am |
| 08:26.07 | bsmntbombdood | How can I downgrade a package? |
| 08:26.07 | Shadowcat | bsmntbombdood: you don't |
| 08:26.07 | xingu | perlmonkey: no; the slow bit is the parity calc and that's done once for raid6 and written twice |
| 08:26.08 | perlmonkey | Guerin: do you use that mac? |
| 08:26.08 | dutchfish | !downgrade |
| 08:26.08 | perlmonkey | xingu: oh i see |
| 08:26.08 | Shadowcat | ~downgarde |
| 08:26.19 | xingu | perlmonkey: bus contention matters, but a whole lot less than parity math |
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| 08:26.20 | Shadowcat | ~downgrade |
| 08:26.22 | apt | it has been said that downgrade is not possible with apt-get at the moment and probably never will be supported because why would you want to downgrade in the first place? Not possible because some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later...but if you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then ... |
| 08:26.22 | JosefAssad | you young'uns with your megabytes... in my day, megabytes was a mcdonalds big mac slogan |
| 08:26.22 | RainbowW | dpkg is very slow tonite |
| 08:26.22 | Shadowcat | !test |
| 08:26.23 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 08:26.23 | Shadowcat | dpkg: downgrade |
| 08:26.24 | Shadowcat | damnit what's the matter with the bot |
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| 08:27.13 | RainbowW | okay, ftr, loading quota_v2.ko seems to have resolved the error. so, i'd add exactly ... what ... to /etc/modules? "fs/quota_v2"? |
| 08:27.17 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 08:27.20 | peterS | you're an odd one, hugging laptops, you know that? |
| 08:27.28 | peterS | RainbowW: just quota_v2 |
| 08:27.36 | perlmonkey | older stuff was better made than todays tech tho eh |
| 08:27.40 | Shadowcat | peterS: ssssh, that's the only way he can get any |
| 08:27.47 | peterS | Shadowcat: hmmm, good point. |
| 08:27.51 | perlmonkey | just look at the old Apricot systems, does anyone remember those? |
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| 08:28.22 | Shadowcat | you're not 105 are you? |
| 08:28.27 | xingu | no. :) |
| 08:28.34 | Shadowcat | in computer years :P |
| 08:29.00 | Shadowcat | you don't need raid6 unless you're uber paranoid |
| 08:29.03 | peterS | raid6 gives you 2-disk redundancy - any two disks can fail and the system lives on |
| 08:29.05 | Shadowcat | it's raid5 with another parity drive |
| 08:29.14 | Shadowcat | exactly |
| 08:29.14 | peterS | but as xingu said, the parity calculation is quite expensive, much more so than for raid5 |
| 08:29.18 | Sazpaimon | valdyn, any help with this error message? |
| 08:29.29 | xingu | Shadowcat: x11 source tree wouldn't fit on the ide disk and xd.c's author had access to an isa hdd-and-controller-on-a-card |
| 08:29.36 | perlmonkey | raid5 provides adequate redundancy for me, but i'm more interested in performance benefits |
| 08:29.37 | Sazpaimon | mount: /dev/md5 already mounted or /usr busy |
| 08:29.46 | peterS | so it's not just "raid5 with another parity drive", because that would imply that the parity is comparable to raid5 parity, which is not too slow to calculate |
| 08:29.55 | Shadowcat | peterS: that's why you bring one of the old PIIIs out of the closet and make a raid box out of it |
| 08:30.06 | RainbowW | 28000M == 28gb, correct? |
| 08:30.07 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 08:30.15 | Shadowcat | PIII 733 with 128mb of ram, that should be plenty |
| 08:30.17 | bsmntbombdood | sigh |
| 08:30.19 | RainbowW | just checking my math because my drug-induced wakefulness is ... odd. |
| 08:30.19 | bsmntbombdood | i hate apt |
| 08:30.20 | xingu | the point about raid6 is that in the degraded case the read performance isn't cripplingly slow, it's business-as-usual slow |
| 08:30.36 | peterS | RainbowW: in disk manufacturer parlance, yes - some of us prefer to think in base 1024, but disk manufacturers like base 1000 because they can advertise slightly bigger numbers |
| 08:30.42 | xingu | but saving dollars on spindles is usually a false economy; stripe of mirror, always. |
| 08:30.57 | RainbowW | peterS, this is for setting a quota, it doesn't have to be exact. =) |
| 08:31.00 | peterS | heh |
| 08:31.12 | xingu | just wait until you have to throw your normal workload at a restriping raid5 |
| 08:31.16 | Shadowcat | xingu: you know what REALLY sucks? |
| 08:31.20 | xingu | then you'll learn what I'm talking about now |
| 08:31.21 | perlmonkey | xingu knows his stuff |
| 08:31.33 | Shadowcat | having somoene call you at five o'clock in the morning to save data from a crashed hd |
| 08:31.44 | Shadowcat | oh and may I add, I don't have access to a clean room |
| 08:31.45 | xingu | yeah that sucks. :) |
| 08:32.06 | xingu | Shadowcat: and where 30min into the call they confess that all their backups have been failing for the last quarter? |
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| 08:32.23 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:32.28 | Shadowcat | it's more like "all my porn is on that HD, please help me recover it" |
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| 08:32.48 | Shadowcat | oh and it's a 200gb primary partition, with windows on it |
| 08:32.56 | dutchfish | !penixstrike Shadowcat |
| 08:33.03 | xingu | Shadowcat: windows me, vfat |
| 08:33.15 | Shadowcat | xingu: seen it |
| 08:33.16 | peterS | does vfat allow 200 GB? I thought it topped out at 80 GB |
| 08:33.56 | RainbowW | peterS, Shadowcat, dutchfish, it -seems- to be working. THANK YOU. |
| 08:33.57 | Trewas | peterS: I think the maximum is somewhere in terabyte range, I have one 400GB fat32 partition at least |
| 08:34.01 | peterS | xingu: you want reasonable degraded read performance, go with raid4 and make sure the drive that's gonna fail is your parity stripe |
| 08:34.19 | xingu | peterS: 8t says wikipedia |
| 08:34.23 | dutchfish | but serious what would be the ultimate raid system for huge database (thinking of performance) |
| 08:34.28 | Shadowcat | Trewas: we should neuter you for that alone |
| 08:34.40 | Supaplex | !fix Trewas |
| 08:34.45 | valdyn | !raid01 |
| 08:34.51 | peterS | dutchfish: external. you spend a few thousand bucks for a raid array that plugs into your scsi-320 port |
| 08:34.58 | Supaplex | I think dpkg is on vacation. |
| 08:35.03 | PingFloyd | thank god |
| 08:35.03 | Shadowcat | apt: test |
| 08:35.08 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 08:35.15 | Shadowcat | no, the bots are just horribly lagged |
| 08:35.17 | perlmonkey | i would like to run raid-0 for performance but without redundancy it would not be wise since due to the size of the raid i would have no convenient/easy way to make backups |
| 08:35.18 | Supaplex | ~fix Trewas |
| 08:35.20 | apt | ACTION opens the hood of Trewas , looks inside and says "that'll be 500 dollars." |
| 08:35.27 | Shadowcat | as I said |
| 08:35.28 | Trewas | hehe, it's a usb-disk which had fat32 straight from the box, didn't bother to change and it has to work also in windows :P |
| 08:35.32 | Shadowcat | as I was saying* |
| 08:35.41 | dutchfish | raid 10 in a vault? |
| 08:35.43 | xingu | dutchfish: sas, external smart disk pack, multipath, configured as stripe of mirror |
| 08:36.01 | xingu | dutchfish: preferably, with each of your two loops on different continents |
| 08:36.31 | peterS | xingu: the multiple continent multipath requirement slows down your I/O somewhat, though |
| 08:36.48 | dutchfish | xingu, is sas worth the investment related to U320 or better |
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| 08:36.52 | perlmonkey | raid-0 is not for the paranoid eh |
| 08:37.02 | peterS | raid0 is not for _any_ data you actually care about |
| 08:37.11 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:37.20 | peterS | it might be suitable for scratch space, if you don't mind your apps crashing when a disk goes down |
| 08:37.25 | perlmonkey | i could invest in an external sata i guess dedicated for raid backup |
| 08:37.33 | perlmonkey | ahh yes |
| 08:37.36 | Nyle | hi |
| 08:37.41 | xingu | dutchfish: yes; u320 still uses 5MHz async scsi for command channel |
| 08:37.54 | dutchfish | xingu, thats right |
| 08:37.59 | Nyle | i am so drunk i can't feel my nose |
| 08:38.01 | xingu | dutchfish: bus arbitration on that sucker messes with your head |
| 08:38.02 | Nyle | hah |
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| 08:38.14 | Nyle | i've lost all feeling in my lips and nose wow |
| 08:38.16 | xingu | dutchfish: at *least* go for fcal |
| 08:38.25 | perlmonkey | raid-0 has good performance benefits tho, up to 30%? |
| 08:38.26 | dutchfish | xingu, noted |
| 08:38.40 | Nyle | I should get another disk and do a raid |
| 08:38.48 | peterS | OMG. it's Sunday, isn't it? WTF am I doing in this channel? I don't have so many brain cells that I can afford to just throw them away. |
| 08:39.10 | perlmonkey | peterS: it's bank holiday tomorrow you can relax a little |
| 08:39.18 | peterS | perlmonkey: maybe a little. I wouldn't count on 30%. and if you're doing more reads than writes, raid1 is just as fast |
| 08:39.26 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 08:39.34 | xingu | dutchfish: on current spindles, you don't want much more than two spindles on any given u320 loop |
| 08:39.42 | Nyle | sunday already damn |
| 08:39.46 | Nyle | I thought it was friday |
| 08:39.53 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:40.01 | Nyle | man i been out of it, working like 20~ish hours a day for a solid wek |
| 08:40.03 | Nyle | fuck! |
| 08:40.08 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 08:40.10 | peterS | perlmonkey: no the point is, #debian fills up with idiots every Sunday for some reason. Nyle the drunk is the first sign |
| 08:40.10 | RainbowW | is quota enforcement realtime and the cron.daily script only the warnings that runs daily? or is enforcement done daily? |
| 08:40.12 | dutchfish | xingu, last q: what capacity, tends that the 750+ G drives are much slower? |
| 08:40.22 | Nyle | peterS: yeh I've noticed that too |
| 08:40.26 | peterS | RainbowW: the enforcement is real time |
| 08:40.33 | perlmonkey | we need to use our time more productively than chat eh |
| 08:40.54 | perlmonkey | i gotta get this raid up and restore my server |
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| 08:41.04 | Nyle | peterS: i went on a date and saw spiderman 3, it was ass kicking, except the ending, which was kinda gay |
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| 08:41.09 | Nyle | no room for a sequel :/ |
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| 08:41.14 | Nyle | or spidey 4 |
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| 08:41.40 | xingu | dutchfish: yes; we're having good luck with the ~250G jobbies at the moment; the first round of those perpendicular drives sucked throughput-wise we found |
| 08:41.50 | xingu | dutchfish: it'll get better, test test test and test again. |
| 08:41.56 | ma3x | if I create backup image with mondo and I store it on my external usb hard drive and my computer crashes how do I boot and restore from the usb? |
| 08:41.56 | Nyle | can anyone see me? |
| 08:42.08 | Nyle | !ping |
| 08:42.14 | peterS | everyone keep ignoring Nyle, he'll think he's not connected |
| 08:42.19 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:42.25 | xingu | dutchfish: keep an eye on like-for-like; no point benchmarking a 5 sided drive against a 2 sided one |
| 08:42.39 | RainbowW | peterS, thank you. |
| 08:42.40 | xingu | dutchfish: also keep an eye on worst-case (seek-with-recalibration) delay. |
| 08:42.45 | dutchfish | xingu, running on 2 x 6 300GB atm iSCSI 2x powerfault, raid5, performance sucks |
| 08:43.05 | xingu | dutchfish: I'm not surprised; you'll end up with a doglegged access pattern |
| 08:43.24 | xingu | dutchfish: throw in a 3rd spindle, keep the layout math the same, then send me a crate of beer |
| 08:43.36 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 08:43.44 | peterS | ATM and iSCSI? I didn't realise people used those two technologies together |
| 08:43.55 | xingu | dutchfish: oh, 2x 6 spindle? |
| 08:44.00 | dutchfish | xingu, the beer i understand, but what about 3th spindle?? |
| 08:44.22 | dutchfish | xingu, yes 2 x 6 |
| 08:44.31 | dutchfish | xingu, in each vault |
| 08:44.36 | xingu | dutchfish: right, so same diagnosis, mildly different resolution |
| 08:44.52 | Sazpaimon | what would be the best way to check the up and downstream speed on my server? |
| 08:44.53 | xingu | dutchfish: delete one spindle on each side and restripe with same layout; configure the spare as a hotspare |
| 08:45.05 | Sazpaimon | I want to see if Im *really* getting a 100mbit connection |
| 08:45.14 | dutchfish | xingu, so 2 x 5 +1*2 |
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| 08:45.25 | xingu | dutchfish: the problem is that you'll have misaligned access; your filesystem will use a power-of-two block size *and then the raid5 adds parity stripe* |
| 08:45.26 | dex | hello all!! |
| 08:45.36 | dex | can anyone tell me how do I stop the sound coming from the built-in speaker? |
| 08:45.41 | dutchfish | xingu, right! |
| 08:45.48 | dex | or front-mic when the headphone is connected? |
| 08:45.54 | dutchfish | xingu, where to send the ebar? |
| 08:45.59 | dutchfish | xingu, bear* |
| 08:46.06 | xingu | dutchfish: I bet the lights on the front panel are doing the knight-rider led chaser thing right? |
| 08:46.11 | dex | so that the sound does not "escape" the headphone? |
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| 08:46.18 | dutchfish | xingu, yes exactly |
| 08:46.32 | xingu | dutchfish: bingo; see above comment re: slower-than-liquid-camel-dung access |
| 08:46.46 | kairu0 | anyone get a high-pitched whining sound from the speakers when opengl is in use? |
| 08:47.09 | ma3x | if I create backup image with mondo and I store it on my external usb hard drive and my computer crashes how do I boot and restore from the usb? |
| 08:47.14 | dutchfish | xingu, thx so much! |
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| 08:47.39 | JosefAssad | so apparently my performance issues with etch ran off to die when I rolled my own kernel. Anything easier than diffing .config files which can tell where the problem was? |
| 08:47.53 | JosefAssad | by performance issues, I mean choppy video, all formts, all players |
| 08:48.00 | JosefAssad | scheduler maybe? |
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| 08:48.31 | xingu | dutchfish: the next part of getting the most for the least is finding out what your disk cluster size is and making the raid block size the smallest, power of two, multiple of it |
| 08:49.06 | xingu | dutchfish: and then use that as your fs blocksize - fs block == raid block == some exact Nx clusters. |
| 08:49.35 | dutchfish | xingu, so 2^smallest? |
| 08:49.39 | xingu | dutchfish: otherwise you end up pushing the same problem you have with the raid access pattern at the moment, down onto the spindle/head/platter |
| 08:50.01 | xingu | dutchfish: no, the smalles exact multiple of cluster size that is also a power of two. |
| 08:50.13 | dutchfish | xingu, oki |
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| 08:50.28 | xingu | dutchfish: if your cluster sizes are different (different disks in the pack) forget it, you're chasing rainbows |
| 08:50.50 | dutchfish | xingu, all exact same disks |
| 08:50.57 | xingu | dutchfish: in that case... :) |
| 08:51.03 | frafra | hi all |
| 08:51.39 | frafra | I've a problem: I've an unconfigured button on my keyboard, and I want to associate it to a script. How to do that? |
| 08:52.10 | xingu | dutchfish: the disk's cache is ~usually cluster aligned (sometimes only 512b sector aligned on cheaper disks) |
| 08:52.47 | xingu | dutchfish: and, the disk will read an entire cluster at a time whether asked to or not anyway |
| 08:53.04 | xingu | dutchfish: so getting that bit right will squeak a little more read performance out. |
| 08:53.16 | dutchfish | xingu, well i gues i have some testing to do :) |
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| 08:54.03 | xingu | dutchfish: ideally when the disk pack is busy all lights should dim and flicker synchronously |
| 08:54.14 | xingu | dutchfish: and, your power bill should go to the moon ;) |
| 08:54.36 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
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| 08:55.03 | xingu | dutchfish: also, when you get this right vibration starts to become an issue; the disk pack will wobble when all the spindles are sharing the exact same access pattern |
| 08:55.20 | xingu | dutchfish: so some foam underneath and between it and the rack might be an idea |
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| 08:55.46 | dutchfish | xingu, they are already on anti-vibrating-rubber from Phillips |
| 08:56.07 | xingu | dutchfish: good-o. the whole thing turns into a massive 10krpm/15krpm gyroscope |
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| 08:56.18 | xingu | dutchfish: don't underestimate the torque involved. :) |
| 08:56.36 | dutchfish | xingu, nah, its a sturdy rack |
| 08:56.55 | dutchfish | xingu, but you can hear them outside the room and above |
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| 08:57.36 | spawn57 | is there a how to for recompiling a kernel/kernel module for debian etch? |
| 08:57.41 | xingu | dutchfish: I'd also suggest you find out whether your pack is designed for front to back or bottom to top heat exhaust |
| 08:57.57 | dutchfish | xingu, front to back |
| 08:58.00 | xingu | dutchfish: and make sure your cabinet agrees re fan layout |
| 08:58.22 | xingu | dutchfish: you might want to look at a fan tray on your rear cabinet door if fitted |
| 08:58.36 | xingu | dutchfish: disks get hot. real hot. :) |
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| 08:59.00 | dutchfish | xingu, they already working for about 6 months flawlessly |
| 08:59.09 | xingu | mmm. :) |
| 08:59.32 | dutchfish | xingu, but you are right about the powerbill |
| 09:00.49 | xingu | dutchfish: I'm personally toying with the idea of lvm snapshots and sata solid state disks |
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| 09:01.09 | dutchfish | xingu, $$ |
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| 09:01.23 | xingu | dutchfish: you could easily run a disk-based snapshot and catch up a flash based underlying volume daily |
| 09:01.46 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 09:01.47 | xingu | dutchfish: that'd keep wear on the flash to a minimum and give you pretty good access times |
| 09:01.53 | RainbowW | is there a default crontab for root that runs the /etc/cron.[hourly|daily|weekly|monthly] directories, or is that driven by some other mechanism i haven't found? |
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| 09:02.43 | dutchfish | xingu, atm i am testing the new AMD ulp's in xen 10 watts full throttle each |
| 09:02.51 | peterS | RainbowW: yeah, /etc/crontab |
| 09:02.51 | xingu | dutchfish: the spindles effectively become a tlb and are only used if those block groups are dirty - which won't be the normal case for the more static parts of the volume |
| 09:02.57 | xingu | dutchfish: :) |
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| 09:03.18 | xingu | dutchfish: be careful you don't blow your riser power, often your distribution board will be 32W max |
| 09:03.36 | xingu | dutchfish: been there done that got some impressive "substation on fire" photos to prove it |
| 09:03.49 | dutchfish | xingu, ouchie |
| 09:04.10 | RainbowW | peterS, thank you. |
| 09:04.11 | FuzzyB | saw that in fresno one night ( substation on fire ) |
| 09:04.24 | RainbowW | wonder when i jacked it. my scripts haven't run in ... no clue how long. |
| 09:04.45 | xingu | FuzzyB: our normal planning now includes three, not two street feeds. :) |
| 09:04.52 | FuzzyB | :] |
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| 09:05.19 | dutchfish | xingu, my total CPUs are the most consuming atm |
| 09:05.29 | xingu | yep, they suck it down |
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| 09:05.46 | FuzzyB | i'd guess that the cpus in my box are the biggest power user |
| 09:05.47 | xingu | so do cat65k's configured for voice and mpls |
| 09:06.11 | xingu | you know you're in trouble when you see 3kW psu's turning up on the part lists |
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| 09:06.53 | FuzzyB | haha |
| 09:06.54 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 09:07.00 | peterS | RainbowW: well, if you don't have the box powered up at 6:25 local time every day, cron.daily won't run. if you need it to run anyway, that's the problem anacron is intended to solve |
| 09:07.04 | FuzzyB | when i was at intel we had 1 machine that took 3x1450's |
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| 09:07.29 | xingu | ouch |
| 09:07.39 | xingu | I bet it was 2-live 1-redundant too |
| 09:07.41 | FuzzyB | yea and what's sad, it needed all 3 in fully configured mode |
| 09:07.49 | xingu | oh boy. :) |
| 09:07.50 | FuzzyB | if it fell to 2 psu's |
| 09:07.52 | RainbowW | peterS, no the issue was that i'd removed the crontab (so corn -l produced null output for root). the machine is always on. |
| 09:08.00 | FuzzyB | it would just down a piece of the system |
| 09:08.47 | peterS | RainbowW: well, there is 'crontab -l' run as root, then there is /etc/crontab, they're not the same thing. in fact /etc/crontab has an extra field, username, between the 5 time fields and the shell command. anyway. |
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| 09:09.31 | dutchfish | ok, guys i am out for today, celebrating my 50th birthday |
| 09:09.38 | dutchfish | chears |
| 09:09.47 | peterS | dude, happy birthday, dutchfish |
| 09:11.34 | karsten | peterS: You didn't wish me a happy birthday. |
| 09:11.46 | karsten | ... that it's not his birthday. |
| 09:11.58 | peterS | karsten: yeah, I try to restrain myself when it isn't actually someone's birthday |
| 09:13.16 | RainbowW | so with the cron daemon running, /etc/crontab will be run correctly. okay. i'll go back to my hole now. thank you. |
| 09:13.20 | karsten | jelly-home: Was that a nappy-headed-jelly-ho? |
| 09:15.21 | jelly-home | karsten: this one has pretty much woken up |
| 09:15.33 | karsten | jelly-home: imus. |
| 09:15.43 | karsten | jelly-home: Google that for further clarification. |
| 09:16.29 | wireddd | anything in sid very broken today? |
| 09:16.37 | liable | most of the things you say need googling for clarification, or a therapist for explanation |
| 09:16.41 | jelly-home | !today |
| 09:16.56 | karsten | liable: You're catching on ;-) |
| 09:16.59 | jelly-home | nothing for today, apparently |
| 09:17.20 | jelly-home | !test |
| 09:17.29 | wireddd | !ping |
| 09:17.36 | jelly-home | ~test |
| 09:17.48 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 09:17.49 | jelly-home | %test |
| 09:17.49 | jelly-home | #test |
| 09:17.49 | karsten | jelly-home: http://tinyurl.com/3a8vxx |
| 09:17.49 | karsten | !test |
| 09:17.51 | karsten | @test |
| 09:17.55 | liable | jelly-home: yes, you are online |
| 09:18.04 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 09:18.05 | jelly-home | liable: heh |
| 09:18.07 | wireddd | dpkg: iso |
| 09:18.11 | karsten | dpkg is dead. |
| 09:18.15 | wireddd | :( |
| 09:18.25 | liable | long live apt! |
| 09:18.26 | peterS | you keeled it |
| 09:18.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: feed your bot. |
| 09:18.30 | wireddd | i'm sorry to hear it, when did he pass |
| 09:19.19 | liable | the bots must have had a walk out |
| 09:19.19 | xingu | one out all out |
| 09:19.19 | peterS | OMG, they killed dpkg! you bastards! |
| 09:19.24 | xingu | I for one welcome our new bot overlords |
| 09:19.36 | karsten | apt says dpkg was last seen 1h34m ago. |
| 09:19.48 | wireddd | apt: etch |
| 09:19.50 | apt | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 09:19.51 | karsten | peterS: In soviet russia, the bastards kill you. |
| 09:20.06 | liable | timed out 23 mins ago on my query |
| 09:20.19 | xingu | aha, so it was your fault |
| 09:20.28 | peterS | I still like cowboyneal's quote, in this very channel if memory serves: In soviet russia, you get high on today's tom sawyer |
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| 09:20.46 | liable | no, i just always have a query open with it, and it just shows a connection timeout |
| 09:20.47 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 09:21.00 | xingu | peterS: just don't get high on your own supply |
| 09:21.06 | liable | i dont underestand |
| 09:21.07 | peterS | a sound principle |
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| 09:21.24 | karsten | Dittos. Lost it at 1:58 US/Pacific (now 02:21). |
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| 09:25.12 | hayp | Could it be possible that debian hasn't got "ftp" ? |
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| 09:25.12 | hayp | sd-7228:~# ftp |
| 09:25.12 | hayp | -bash: ftp: command not found |
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| 09:25.13 | liable | eh? |
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| 09:25.46 | hayp | yes |
| 09:25.54 | karsten | hayp: Install one. |
| 09:26.02 | hayp | ok |
| 09:26.08 | karsten | hayp: ncftp is your classic ftp CLI client. I prefer lftp myself. |
| 09:26.11 | liable | install it then but i though it was a standard package, i dont think i have ever installed it |
| 09:26.18 | hayp | yeah |
| 09:26.30 | hayp | never seen this before |
| 09:26.55 | hayp | weird |
| 09:26.59 | hayp | where should "ftp" be located ? |
| 09:27.08 | karsten | apt-cache search ftp | wc -l: 405 |
| 09:27.09 | hayp | ah that way |
| 09:27.12 | karsten | hayp: On your search path. |
| 09:27.18 | hayp | :) |
| 09:27.19 | hayp | oki |
| 09:27.27 | wireddd | usr/bin/ftp |
| 09:27.42 | wireddd | /usr/bin/ftp |
| 09:27.49 | FuzzyB | apt-get install pure-ftpd |
| 09:27.49 | hayp | k |
| 09:27.53 | FuzzyB | and thank me in the morning |
| 09:27.56 | Sazpaimon | I now love serial console |
| 09:28.05 | Sazpaimon | allowing me to access single user mode remotely |
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| 09:28.16 | jelly-home | FuzzyB: that ...ftpd package has a client? |
| 09:28.23 | FuzzyB | oh you want a client? |
| 09:28.29 | hayp | yeah |
| 09:28.30 | hayp | a client ;p |
| 09:28.32 | hayp | not a ftpd |
| 09:28.35 | FuzzyB | i misunderstood i thought you were after a daemon |
| 09:28.39 | hayp | no probs |
| 09:28.41 | jelly-home | FuzzyB: you're fuzzy |
| 09:28.41 | hayp | btw |
| 09:28.42 | hayp | sd-7228:~# ls -al /usr/bin | grep ftp |
| 09:28.42 | hayp | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 199028 2007-02-26 22:22 apt-ftparchive |
| 09:28.42 | hayp | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 70152 2007-04-10 22:55 sftp |
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| 09:28.50 | hayp | sftp ? |
| 09:28.52 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 09:28.53 | wireddd | I used a modified version of vsftpd as my server :) |
| 09:28.54 | FuzzyB | and scp |
| 09:28.56 | hayp | is that a client ? |
| 09:28.56 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: you can thank Sun for that |
| 09:28.58 | karsten | Sazpaimon: It can be pretty damned useful, yes. |
| 09:29.06 | jelly-home | hayp: not for ftp it isn't |
| 09:29.06 | FuzzyB | it's a client for ftp like functions over ssh |
| 09:29.12 | hayp | aaah |
| 09:29.13 | hayp | yeah |
| 09:29.14 | hayp | sorry |
| 09:29.18 | hayp | I actually know what it is |
| 09:29.19 | Sazpaimon | yeah that made my life easier |
| 09:29.29 | xingu | peterS: most long-haul (ie, not point to point media) svc/pvc's t1>x>oc3 are atm at present; mpls and ethernet aren't cost effective at lower bandwidth, particularly not when you're looking at a fully deprecated (book value = nil) switching cloud |
| 09:29.31 | karsten | hayp: apt-cache search ftp client |
| 09:29.38 | hayp | ok karsten |
| 09:29.41 | Sazpaimon | I was able to umount and repartition /usr without having to stop everything |
| 09:29.45 | hayp | gonna install "ftp" via apt-get |
| 09:29.51 | Sazpaimon | (as i would have to in runlevel 2" |
| 09:29.53 | Sazpaimon | *) |
| 09:30.11 | xingu | peterS: .. so odds on, anyone using iscsi is doing it at ds3 or oc3 and it's being carried across an atm transport whether they know it or not |
| 09:30.14 | Sazpaimon | now to upgrade to etch |
| 09:30.18 | karsten | hayp: apt-cache search ftp client | grep -v ^lib | grep FTP | grep -v TFTP | sort | less |
| 09:30.29 | peterS | xingu: well, true, but I thought he meant the NAS was directly connected to atm |
| 09:30.39 | hayp | alrighty :| :D |
| 09:30.40 | xingu | peterS: that would be unusual. :) |
| 09:30.43 | Sazpaimon | first comes apt-spy |
| 09:30.43 | peterS | yeah |
| 09:30.52 | hayp | sd-7228:~# apt-get install ftp |
| 09:30.53 | karsten | hayp: ... leaves about 23 options. Of which curl, ftp, ncftp, and lftp are strongly recommended. |
| 09:30.55 | hayp | that's just fine :) |
| 09:31.00 | FuzzyB | ftp |
| 09:31.03 | hayp | ah well |
| 09:31.06 | hayp | strongly recommended |
| 09:31.10 | hayp | might as well try that one |
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| 09:31.20 | hayp | the other ones :) |
| 09:31.27 | jelly-home | meh, get lftp and forget about the rest |
| 09:31.43 | karsten | jelly-home: Well, that's what I've got. |
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| 09:32.06 | hayp | :D |
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| 09:32.10 | karsten | hayp: Just FYI, I've never really looked into this (lftp rawks), but 'ftp' is the standard Debian implementation of the ARPANET standard. |
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| 09:32.24 | hayp | ok |
| 09:32.26 | dondelelcaro | !status |
| 09:32.26 | dpkg | Since Sun May 6 09:31:35 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 45s this session, and currently reference 37303 factoids. I'm using about 15208 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.58/0.05 child 0/0 |
| 09:32.35 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, I had to swap out the hardware it was running on |
| 09:32.51 | karsten | IIUC ncftp offers a full-screen ncurses mode. |
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| 09:32.53 | dondelelcaro | now it's much happer with 1.5G of ram |
| 09:32.54 | karsten | dondelelcaro: No worries. |
| 09:33.11 | karsten | dondelelcaro: And thanks, as usual. |
| 09:33.14 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 09:33.22 | xingu | dondelelcaro: maybe it's time to knock out that seti@home hacked version you've been dying to chance your arm at ;) |
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| 09:33.40 | xingu | distributed-dpkg |
| 09:33.41 | xingu | I like that idea |
| 09:33.57 | xingu | particularly with checkpointing and restart |
| 09:34.08 | jelly-home | install your packages to random machines in the cluster! |
| 09:34.24 | xingu | I was thinking of the bot, but that sounds like fun too |
| 09:34.34 | karsten | hayp: the real win for lftp is that it's interactive, gives you a shell-like access to remote sites, readline editing, can cat (or more or less) files on the remote side. Very slick. |
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| 09:34.58 | cydork | karsten: and it's scriptable :P |
| 09:35.00 | xingu | I think mc can do ftp too |
| 09:35.02 | karsten | hayp: Another interesting option is mc which has a number of remote access options including ssh and ftp. |
| 09:35.05 | karsten | cydork: That too. |
| 09:35.15 | xingu | it can do bloody everything else shy of running elisp |
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| 09:35.17 | sobersabre | hi, where can I read about /sbin/sulogin ? |
| 09:35.19 | karsten | hayp: Scripting being ARPANET ftp compatible. |
| 09:35.28 | karsten | sobersabre: man sulogin |
| 09:35.55 | hayp | ok karsten thanks for the info |
| 09:36.00 | karsten | hayp: NP. |
| 09:36.01 | xingu | karsten: how many roads must a man walk down? |
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| 09:36.58 | Sazpaimon | so my uname -a begets me "Linux u15254048 2.6.16.27-061216a #1 SMP Sat Dec 16 13:15:27 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:36.58 | Sazpaimon | " |
| 09:37.03 | karsten | xingu: Down doesn't walk, it lofts. |
| 09:37.04 | Sazpaimon | is that kernel version custom? |
| 09:37.20 | streuner_ | Sazpaimon: cat /proc/version |
| 09:37.20 | xingu | yes |
| 09:37.32 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Yep. |
| 09:37.37 | xingu | note the yymmdd datestamp in uname -r |
| 09:38.02 | Sazpaimon | my time is also way off |
| 09:38.05 | Sazpaimon | i should fix that |
| 09:38.24 | Sazpaimon | no wait, dur |
| 09:38.25 | karsten | Sazpaimon: I prefer relativistic adjustments to newtonian ones. |
| 09:38.36 | Sazpaimon | anyway |
| 09:38.45 | Sazpaimon | i dont know *WHY* 1and1 installed a custom kernel |
| 09:38.58 | jelly-home | xingu: blowing in the wind |
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| 09:39.20 | Sazpaimon | anything I should do to check and see if it'd be safe to upgrade to a standard kernel? |
| 09:39.38 | karsten | jelly-home: which answer? |
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| 09:39.50 | jelly-home | the answer is "blowing in the wine" |
| 09:39.51 | Sazpaimon | I'd really hate to hose over my system if I DO upgrade |
| 09:39.54 | jelly-home | er, wind |
| 09:40.03 | Sazpaimon | anyone have any ideas? |
| 09:40.16 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: check to see if there's a /boot/config-2.6.16.27-061216a |
| 09:40.20 | karsten | Sazpaimon: In fact I do. |
| 09:40.26 | mark_s | Hi, since days I try to get this working. but I just cannot solve it. We connect via nfs with MacOSX to our Debian etch Server. Opening a file I just don't get a file lock, so another user can open and manipulate the file too. |
| 09:40.39 | karsten | Sazpaimon: I've come up with a clever little scheme to paint my whiskers green. |
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| 09:40.47 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, in fact there is |
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| 09:41.00 | Sazpaimon | there's also a config-2.6.16.27-061207a, and a config-2.6.16.20-060620b |
| 09:41.03 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Um, what are you trying to do and how does your kernel version enter into it? |
| 09:41.12 | AKX | Is there some practical way to regenerate the contents of /var/log in case they got destroyed? I mean, just the files, obviously I'm not expecting to get the data back. |
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| 09:41.18 | Gnea | karsten: he's trying to upgrade his system |
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| 09:41.22 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Did you compile these kernels or did they just randomly take up residence on your system? |
| 09:41.29 | karsten | AKX: From backups. |
| 09:41.32 | streuner_ | Sazpaimon: cat /proc/version |
| 09:41.37 | Sazpaimon | karsten, they came with my server image |
| 09:41.38 | sobersabre | ok |
| 09:41.43 | AKX | karsten: ... no can do, this time. |
| 09:41.47 | Gnea | karsten: pay attention: he's got a host from 1and1 that set it up for him. |
| 09:41.48 | Sazpaimon | Linux version 2.6.16.27-061216a (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Sat Dec 16 13:15:27 CET 2006 |
| 09:41.59 | karsten | AKX: The logfiles themselves: can't be recovered. The directory structure should be recoverable by reinstalling packages that touch /var/log |
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| 09:42.08 | karsten | Gnea: Ah.... |
| 09:42.18 | karsten | Sazpaimon: Gotchya. Ignore me. |
| 09:42.27 | Sazpaimon | Im just trying to see if it's safe to upgrade to a standard stable kernel |
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| 09:42.37 | Sazpaimon | im not sure how secure my version is |
| 09:42.39 | karsten | Drinking a very fine wine. |
| 09:42.44 | AKX | karsten: how about syslog, etc? |
| 09:42.52 | karsten | AKX: How about it? |
| 09:42.58 | karsten | AKX: If you've nuked it, it's gone. |
| 09:43.17 | karsten | AKX: That's not going to hurt anything, other than your ability to know what was happening prior to the lossage. |
| 09:43.24 | Sazpaimon | nor am i too sure what this custom kernel does |
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| 09:43.40 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: well, if i were you, i'd do a diff on both of those config files and output it to a new file, then take a look at them and see if they added any special patches (you can check with a standard 2.6.16 .config) |
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| 09:43.47 | AKX | Well... someone nuked it, yes, but... |
| 09:43.47 | AKX | I'd just want a functional, if empty, syslog. |
| 09:43.50 | karsten | AKX: syslogd will create any logfiles it needs. However if it's pointing to subdirs (say, /v/l/apache, /v/l/exim4, etc.) you'll need those to exist. |
| 09:43.58 | karsten | AKX: touch /var/log/syslog |
| 09:44.03 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, anywhere i can find a standard 2.6.16 config? |
| 09:44.05 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: you could install a new kernel on there and then it won't boot |
| 09:44.18 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, that's my fear |
| 09:44.23 | karsten | AKX: Or just /etc/init.d/sysklogd stop; /etc/init.d/sysklogd start |
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| 09:44.30 | AKX | Alright. Thanks, I'll try that. |
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| 09:44.46 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i've got one, actually, one sec i'll upload it |
| 09:44.54 | karsten | Gnea: If he messes with grub right it'll only try that new kernel once, then fall back to the default. |
| 09:44.56 | Sazpaimon | alright |
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| 09:45.17 | Enverex | Are there actually any WYSIWYG HTML editors in the repos anymore? |
| 09:45.19 | Gnea | karsten: but it might not even work like that |
| 09:45.25 | karsten | Gnea: though I never fully understood how that works, would need to test locally before trying it on a remote system. |
| 09:45.29 | karsten | Gnea: Right. |
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| 09:45.36 | karsten | Gnea: Ask if he's got remote hands. |
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| 09:45.56 | karsten | Gnea: ... I'm trying not to tread on your advice, BTW, just suggesting. |
| 09:46.04 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: how are 1and1's admins? are they easy to talk to to get them to do things or answer questions? |
| 09:46.18 | Sazpaimon | if you speak their language |
| 09:46.21 | Sazpaimon | read: indian |
| 09:46.22 | Gnea | heh |
| 09:46.26 | Gnea | OMFG |
| 09:46.40 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: right, let's proceed then. |
| 09:46.41 | runa | hi how can i make ssh not ask me if i want to confirm |
| 09:46.51 | karsten | runa: Confirm what? |
| 09:47.00 | Sazpaimon | I'd rather not call Hassam "Henry" Hasmir again |
| 09:47.11 | karsten | runa: Likely: man ssh_config |
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| 09:47.24 | yalc1n | hello debian world |
| 09:47.41 | Gnea | there's got to be a better hosting site |
| 09:47.48 | Sazpaimon | actually |
| 09:47.52 | Sazpaimon | 1and1 is quite decent |
| 09:47.55 | Sazpaimon | basically the way 1and1 works with their root server is that they put the responsibility soely on you |
| 09:48.05 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 09:48.09 | Sazpaimon | as such, you have access to do pretty much anything you want with the server |
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| 09:48.15 | Gnea | so what do they do if you fuck up? :) |
| 09:48.36 | Sazpaimon | if you fuck up they can attempt to restore your server |
| 09:48.40 | Sazpaimon | but you can actually do that |
| 09:48.46 | Sazpaimon | you can reboot into a rescue mode |
| 09:48.53 | Gnea | hrmm |
| 09:48.57 | liable | runa: confirm what? |
| 09:49.01 | Gnea | do they have a good pricing scheme? |
| 09:49.11 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.12 | Sazpaimon | Linux Rescue System (debian/woody - 2.6.x) |
| 09:49.12 | Sazpaimon | Linux 64-bit Rescue System (debian/sarge - 2.6.x) |
| 09:49.12 | Sazpaimon | Linux 64-bit Rescue System (debian/etch - 2.6.x) |
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| 09:49.18 | Sazpaimon | durhur i forgot |
| 09:49.24 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:49.34 | Sazpaimon | but yeah thats the rescue system you can reboot into |
| 09:49.40 | Gnea | neat |
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| 09:49.44 | Sazpaimon | so you can make emergency backups there |
| 09:49.48 | Sazpaimon | then re-image on the fly |
| 09:49.51 | runa | liable:confirm if i want to continue because the other side is not in known_hosts |
| 09:50.05 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, their pricing scheme is actually pretty cheap |
| 09:50.14 | Sazpaimon | $400 for a dual opteron system |
| 09:50.22 | liable | runa: its it the config |
| 09:50.25 | Sazpaimon | dual dual-core opteron even |
| 09:50.31 | Sazpaimon | so that's like 4 processors |
| 09:50.33 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: for how long? |
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| 09:50.44 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, monthly |
| 09:50.52 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: hrm, that's expensive. |
| 09:51.01 | karsten | runa: ssh -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking no' user@remotehost |
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| 09:51.23 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, 8 GB RAM too |
| 09:51.36 | Sazpaimon | http://order.1and1.com/xml/order/ServerRoot;jsessionid=D7A7DC517D0C4B3417EA1C0F6BB0ECE3.TC61b?__frame=_top&__lf=Static |
| 09:51.41 | xingu | mark_s: the server side should be ok; is there an osx twiddle to start a nfs lockd ? |
| 09:51.42 | Sazpaimon | that's their selection |
| 09:51.47 | cydork | karsten, but but.. you are supposed to recognize that key if it matches </rant> |
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| 09:51.49 | karsten | runa: I wouldn't set that as a default. You're vuln. to MITM attacks if you do. |
| 09:51.59 | karsten | cydork: Tell it to the judge. |
| 09:52.02 | scx | what is the default encryption system for local passwords? DES ? |
| 09:52.05 | [kray] | i need some help. i swapped my hard drive into a new server and now it says eth0 is offline when i boot. how can i go about getting the new ethernet card up? |
| 09:52.07 | Sazpaimon | I've seen cheaper, yeah, but their the only company I've had that offers a 100Mbit connection and stands by it |
| 09:52.11 | Sazpaimon | i know, I've tested it |
| 09:52.14 | xingu | mark_s: nfs locking has three parts; client fs to client lockd, client lockd to server lockd, server lockd to server fs |
| 09:52.15 | Sazpaimon | 100Mbit too and from |
| 09:52.18 | cydork | scx, md5 |
| 09:52.21 | Gnea | scx: crypt |
| 09:52.22 | Sazpaimon | *to |
| 09:52.26 | Gnea | md5 is an option |
| 09:52.28 | karsten | cydork: At $WORK we've got a few thousand hosts and the SSH hostkeys are known to change frequently. |
| 09:52.33 | runa | thanks karsten i want it a script |
| 09:52.37 | scx | cydork: Thanks |
| 09:52.38 | xingu | mark_s: the latter two, I would be surprised if they were not working if you've mounted as an nfs version 3 or 4 mount |
| 09:52.39 | liable | runa: stricthostkeychecking no |
| 09:52.43 | Sazpaimon | so that's why I stay with them, their connection is really nice |
| 09:52.51 | xingu | mark_s: the most likely failure is no client lockd - probably. |
| 09:52.56 | scx | Gnea: but it is the default right? |
| 09:52.58 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: oh okay...hrmmm |
| 09:52.59 | runa | thanks liable |
| 09:53.00 | cydork | karsten, oh ok.. |
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| 09:53.05 | karsten | scx: crypt(3), which is based on DES. 3DES IIRC. |
| 09:53.10 | Gnea | scx: it was with sarge |
| 09:53.11 | scx | Basically I wonder if I can use twofish instead |
| 09:53.17 | Sazpaimon | but yeah, the reason their support is so bad is because you rarely need to contact them |
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| 09:53.28 | scx | karsten: ohh.. |
| 09:53.40 | Enverex | Anyone? WYSIWYG HTML editor? |
| 09:53.45 | karsten | Note that crypt(3) is a library function, it's *not* the (totally bogus, cracked, insecure) crypt cryptosystem. |
| 09:53.46 | Sazpaimon | strangely i've had hold times of over an hour before |
| 09:53.55 | streuner_ | Enverex: mozilla |
| 09:54.03 | Sazpaimon | but ive heard its because the guys there just dont feel like picking up |
| 09:54.04 | streuner_ | Enverex: mozilla Composer |
| 09:54.09 | solar_sea | What is the alternative for .Xsession / .xinitrc when I'm logged on using kdm ? (I need to export some vars for X, I've tried with a script in .kde/Autostart/ but it doesn't keep them exported while I'm logged on) |
| 09:54.16 | solar_sea | (i'm using lenny/sid) |
| 09:54.17 | karsten | scx: Um. DES by default, MD5 if specified.... |
| 09:54.18 | cydork | Enverex, there was nvu, i dont know if it's available now |
| 09:54.42 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: ok, getting it uploaded now |
| 09:54.49 | Sazpaimon | cool, thanks |
| 09:54.53 | Enverex | streuner_, What happened to NVU? All I need to do is quickly make something (like an RTF file but I need it to be accessable without downloading). I'll try mozilla composer |
| 09:54.53 | scx | well DES is deprecated and dunno how about md5... |
| 09:54.54 | xingu | mark_s: nb, most nfs locking implementations suck; you may actually have better luck with samba3 share on the server and cifs import on the client |
| 09:55.06 | Sazpaimon | 1and1's german packages really beat the US packages though |
| 09:55.24 | Sazpaimon | http://www.1und1.info/xml/order/ServerRoot;jsessionid=C9E2CA1D7423FD19F1A11EBDE08CDE3A.TC33b?__frame=_top&__lf=Static |
| 09:55.28 | karsten | !nvu |
| 09:55.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com |
| 09:55.32 | Sazpaimon | if you live in germany, it's totally worth it |
| 09:55.48 | karsten | scx: md5 can be broken in a fractional second in RAM. |
| 09:55.49 | Sazpaimon | you get all that plus the satisfaction knowing your server is located in a cozy german datacenter outside of US law |
| 09:55.58 | scx | nvu is WYSIWYG ? |
| 09:55.58 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: http://hamncheese.net/~gnea/files/config-2.6.16 |
| 09:56.17 | Sazpaimon | wgetting |
| 09:56.27 | Sazpaimon | wgot |
| 09:56.31 | cydork | scx, yes |
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| 09:57.15 | cydork | scx, also if the passwd string starts with $1$ it's md5 |
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| 09:58.40 | karsten | scx: crypt(3) uses salt, which helps somewhat, but you should be using shadow passwords in any event. |
| 09:58.48 | karsten | scx: and ghod help you if you're using NIS. |
| 09:59.13 | scx | no, NIS... |
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| 09:59.47 | scx | salt is someting new to me |
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| 10:00.01 | scx | wikiing... |
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| 10:00.37 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, these files seem *very* diferent |
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| 10:02.32 | karsten | scx: two randomly selected bytes prepended to the hashed password string. |
| 10:02.39 | karsten | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_(cryptography) |
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| 10:03.13 | karsten | scx: Salt slows brutes. Basically. |
| 10:03.49 | xingu | karsten: what's allowing md5 to be broken so quickly these days? |
| 10:04.02 | scx | karsten: yes, I am reading right now |
| 10:04.06 | karsten | xingu: The fact that it |
| 10:04.11 | xingu | karsten: I take it you mean broken as in fully reversible |
| 10:04.14 | karsten | xingu: ... that it's a 32 bit hash. |
| 10:04.28 | karsten | xingu: It's not a cryptographic crack, it's just that it's brutable. |
| 10:04.38 | scx | karsten: well, I just want to know why twofish is not the default |
| 10:04.45 | karsten | xingu: You can load up every possibly 32 bit hash in memory and test them on a given key. |
| 10:04.46 | Guerin | scx: wtf |
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| 10:04.58 | xingu | karsten: what sort of hardware is required to search the keyspace in a reasonable timeframe though? |
| 10:05.04 | cydork | xingu, weak passwords are easy to brute. |
| 10:05.05 | Gnea | wow, irssi frooze somehow |
| 10:05.05 | karsten | xingu: Even if you don't know what value was hashed to get a given key, you can find the key. |
| 10:05.09 | karsten | xingu: Desktop. |
| 10:05.09 | scx | Wrestling Tournament Foundation? |
| 10:05.12 | Guerin | xingu: 32-bit? I think a ppro should do it. |
| 10:05.14 | cydork | xingu, then the salt comes in. |
| 10:05.15 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: did you get that link? |
| 10:05.21 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 10:05.25 | Sazpaimon | let me show you a comparison |
| 10:05.29 | Gnea | ok |
| 10:05.30 | xingu | karsten: sure; just trying to gauge where the hurdle actually is these days |
| 10:05.48 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: btw, i'm checking them out, they've got some nice prices on vps's |
| 10:06.00 | karsten | xingu: http://passcracking.com/ |
| 10:06.08 | xingu | karsten: I was quietly impressed for instance that my work notebook can iterate 10^6 oracle crypts/s |
| 10:06.16 | karsten | xingu: 73 minutes, gP4 2GHz 512 MB RAM. |
| 10:06.23 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, with that $400 dealie, you could make a vps server on it |
| 10:06.28 | xingu | karsten: commodity t7200 for that one |
| 10:06.32 | xingu | karsten: interesting; cheers. |
| 10:06.33 | Sazpaimon | 8 GB RAM and 4 processor cores? |
| 10:06.48 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: right now, that's not an option, i gotta keep a roof over my head ;) |
| 10:06.54 | Sazpaimon | heh |
| 10:07.00 | Sazpaimon | I have their $99 deal |
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| 10:07.09 | Sazpaimon | it's pretty good for what it is |
| 10:07.51 | karsten | xingu: The problem's compounded by the fact that it's embarassingly parallelizable (that is it's perfectly parallelizable). Double the hardware, halve the time. |
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| 10:08.13 | karsten | xingu: So with 7 off-the-shelf systems, 10 minutes. With 73, one minute. |
| 10:08.22 | Sazpaimon | anyway |
| 10:08.23 | karsten | xingu: Your constraint is your budget. |
| 10:08.25 | xingu | karsten: yep; figured. |
| 10:08.34 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, http://www.sonic-cult.org/!trash/rpt6E244.htm |
| 10:08.38 | Sazpaimon | thats my differences report |
| 10:08.47 | Sazpaimon | seems pretty different |
| 10:08.49 | xingu | karsten: speaking of //-ized... have you seen pbzip2? :) |
| 10:09.07 | karsten | xingu: No. |
| 10:09.09 | karsten | xingu: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/06/more_md5_collis.html |
| 10:09.24 | xingu | karsten: I let that rip on a 32cpu box at work; "it works". :) |
| 10:09.34 | karsten | Oh dear... |
| 10:10.03 | Sazpaimon | I think I |
| 10:10.04 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 10:10.13 | Sazpaimon | I think I'm probably safest keeping my old kernel |
| 10:10.18 | karsten | Sazpaimon: I think, therefore I err. |
| 10:10.40 | Sazpaimon | they should make the enter key far far away from any other commonly used key |
| 10:10.42 | Sazpaimon | in fact |
| 10:10.46 | Sazpaimon | put it away from all keys |
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| 10:11.25 | xingu | Sazpaimon: gnome-2.20 defaults to popping up a modal "are you sure" dialogue when you hit it |
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| 10:11.35 | scx | then what about Twofish or CAST ? |
| 10:11.40 | karsten | By the time I got it back, it had a gambling habit. |
| 10:11.49 | xingu | Sazpaimon: but because of the new ui guidlines, the dialogue only has a cancel button that you need to triple-click. |
| 10:11.59 | cat | ~Owner |
| 10:12.11 | apt | TimRiker is my owner |
| 10:12.11 | xingu | Sazpaimon: you can turn it off but you need to use gconf. |
| 10:12.11 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: did they throw anything into /usr/src/ ? |
| 10:12.11 | cat | !owner |
| 10:12.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 10:12.21 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, empty |
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| 10:13.06 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: hrm...it MIGHT work with a debianized 2.6.16 package... |
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| 10:13.26 | karsten | dpkg: pwnd! |
| 10:13.27 | x_link | Just alot of gnome related updates/upgrades when I do sudo aptitude update/upgrade/dist-upgrade. Never anything about KDE, why is that? |
| 10:13.28 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: the only thing that i see as odd, so far, is that they opted not to support IPv6 |
| 10:13.49 | DevilChaos | hi folks am still having trouble with my window borders being non existant and driving me nuts dont have a clue how to get them back any suggestions would be mice? |
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| 10:14.07 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, that's pretty dumb |
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| 10:14.24 | karsten | DevilChaos: What WM? |
| 10:14.39 | DevilChaos | ive tried to uninstall reinstall sawfish and various other things to no avail what is the window manager for gnome if it isnt sawfish? |
| 10:14.41 | karsten | DevilChaos: In general: your windowmanager config tool, or desktop config for GNOME/KDE. |
| 10:14.52 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: yes and no. yeah, it's pretty dumb not to support something that's on the brink of taking over the whole net. no, it's not dumb because you're paying for IPv4 IP space. |
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| 10:15.10 | DevilChaos | yeah tried that one and it comes up with hold on ill check it again |
| 10:15.45 | karsten | DevilChaos: metacity |
| 10:15.59 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, heh, true |
| 10:16.19 | karsten | DevilChaos: ... which is pretty f*cking minimal. |
| 10:16.23 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i'm noticing another disturbing trend as well... still verifying... |
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| 10:17.02 | DevilChaos | window manager ''unknown'' has not registered a config tool is what i get when opening gnome-window-properties |
| 10:17.06 | runa | i want to write a script where a password will be digited how can i do it with bash |
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| 10:18.25 | DevilChaos | try uninstall reinstall of metacity? |
| 10:18.44 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: okay, the trend is debunked, thankfully - almost thought they wouldn't allow module loading, but they have all of their zlib deflate options as modules... not sure why they have so many scsi and sata options crammed into the kernel at once tho |
| 10:18.46 | tkr | runa, digited? |
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| 10:18.59 | DevilChaos | i may even have a conflict i dont know ill check in apt as well |
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| 10:19.13 | tkr | runa, if you dont want the password to be visible you could simply use stty -echo and stty echo afterwards |
| 10:19.32 | Sazpaimon | so the kernel is essentially normal, if anything just compiled stupidly |
| 10:19.35 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: which is good, because it means that if you wanted to turn on ipv6 support without recompiling, it could be done |
| 10:19.46 | Gnea | yes. |
| 10:19.47 | Gnea | :) |
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| 10:20.01 | DevilChaos | hi gnea hows it going?# |
| 10:20.08 | Gnea | it goes |
| 10:20.14 | runa | thanks tkr |
| 10:20.17 | liable | vroom? |
| 10:20.18 | Sazpaimon | I just want to get everything settled before i make my final upgrade to etch |
| 10:20.27 | tkr | runa, np. |
| 10:20.47 | Sazpaimon | do you think I'd be safe just getting a new kernel off kernel.org and compiling it with the default options? |
| 10:20.53 | Sazpaimon | or do I need to do some fancy footwork |
| 10:20.56 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i would talk to them, if you haven't already, about any hitches that they may have with performing such an upgrade |
| 10:21.05 | Sazpaimon | I suppose |
| 10:21.12 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i would stick with the debianized kernels |
| 10:21.18 | kairu0 | i have an etch box that i ssh to from many locations. so far, ssh from linux works, but i cannot ssh from a cisco router. any ideas why? |
| 10:21.58 | Sazpaimon | god apt-spy is STILL running |
| 10:22.10 | Gnea | yeah, it takes awhile |
| 10:22.12 | Sazpaimon | its amazing how many crappy mirrors there are |
| 10:22.17 | Gnea | go make a pizza ;) |
| 10:22.35 | liable | thats a good idea |
| 10:22.47 | Sazpaimon | pizza at 3 AM? |
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| 10:22.52 | liable | i might have to order some right now |
| 10:22.53 | Gnea | why not? |
| 10:23.04 | Sazpaimon | i have some leftover lasagna |
| 10:23.18 | liable | 3am is prolly one of the most popular times to order pizza |
| 10:23.56 | liable | but its actually dinner time here |
| 10:24.05 | Gnea | i could get pizza now if i wanted... then again, it's nice to know that there's a pizza place that delivers that's open till 6am down the street :) |
| 10:24.49 | liable | is it shit pizza though? only acceptable if your shitfaced? |
| 10:25.03 | liable | too much shit in that commant.. |
| 10:25.05 | Sazpaimon | anything to soak up the alcohol |
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| 10:25.30 | Sazpaimon | i perfer cheesesteaks more though |
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| 10:26.08 | Sazpaimon | wow there sure are a lot of dead mirrors |
| 10:26.12 | Gnea | liable: it's good both ways - people go there shitfaced and sober |
| 10:26.23 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: bad routing |
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| 10:26.29 | Gnea | that's why mirrors exist |
| 10:27.00 | cat | !winex |
| 10:27.00 | dpkg | well, winex is see cedega |
| 10:27.10 | Sazpaimon | apt-spy -d stable IS the right command right? |
| 10:27.22 | Gnea | UHM |
| 10:27.25 | Gnea | wait |
| 10:27.30 | Gnea | are you running sarge? |
| 10:27.36 | Sazpaimon | at the moment yes |
| 10:27.37 | Gnea | because etch is stable now |
| 10:27.39 | Sazpaimon | im about to upgrade |
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| 10:27.50 | Gnea | apt-spy -d sarge <--- run that then |
| 10:28.09 | Sazpaimon | nah, i was gonna upgrade as soon as apt-spy finished and wrote my sources.list |
| 10:28.18 | Gnea | oh cool |
| 10:28.50 | Sazpaimon | lets see what it gave me |
| 10:28.51 | Sazpaimon | deb http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/ stable main |
| 10:28.53 | liable | whoever mentioned pizza sucks |
| 10:29.04 | Sazpaimon | wisc eh? |
| 10:29.14 | garo | Why doesn't debian include mencoder in its mplayer package ? |
| 10:29.28 | Sazpaimon | alright |
| 10:29.30 | Sazpaimon | time to dist-upgrade |
| 10:29.34 | Sazpaimon | oh baby |
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| 10:30.07 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: if you wanted to upgrade the kernel, your best bet is to snag the linux-source package and compile a kernel using that config-2.6.16.27-061216a as a .config |
| 10:30.18 | Gnea | should be able to get away with it |
| 10:30.25 | Gnea | liable: oh? |
| 10:30.39 | valdyn | garo: mencoder is a seperate package, you can get it at www.debian.multimedia.org |
| 10:30.49 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, I'll wait till 2.6.16 has some bad security advisory |
| 10:30.56 | Sazpaimon | so far im not seeing anything bad |
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| 10:31.40 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: good point |
| 10:32.07 | liable | Gnea: yes, i was going to have chilli for dinner, now i must go get pizza |
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| 10:32.22 | Gnea | liable: ha! |
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| 10:33.35 | AKX | What do you people suggest for a mail system? |
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| 10:33.46 | valdyn | AKX: the default |
| 10:33.58 | kairu0 | AKX, i run postfix + spamassassin |
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| 10:34.02 | valdyn | AKX: what do you need in a 'mail system' ? |
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| 10:34.16 | AKX | valdyn: We're currently using qmail for reasons unbeknownst to man |
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| 10:34.29 | AKX | A replacement for that. |
| 10:34.40 | valdyn | AKX: debians default ( exim4 ) is just fine |
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| 10:34.59 | AKX | Mhm.. |
| 10:35.05 | AKX | Thanks. |
| 10:35.17 | valdyn | AKX: postfix is popular aswell, on debian. No reason to go beyond that unless you know specific things those 2 cant do |
| 10:35.31 | AKX | Oki. |
| 10:35.41 | tkr | postfix is good |
| 10:35.48 | xingu | AKX: a wiki and a jabber server and small amounts of glue betwixt to lend persistence; mail is overrated. |
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| 10:36.42 | tkr | AKX, of course you probably need some pop/imap daemon also etc? |
| 10:36.46 | AKX | tkr, yes. |
| 10:37.07 | valdyn | dovecot probably, or stick to what you have |
| 10:37.11 | AKX | We'd just need to be able to send and receive mail using SMTP and POP. |
| 10:37.17 | AKX | (Or IMAP.) |
| 10:37.19 | tkr | I would go for dovecot also. |
| 10:37.44 | AKX | So would postfix + dovecot do? |
| 10:37.50 | valdyn | sure |
| 10:38.18 | xingu | I'd use the opportunity to ask yourself why intra- and inter- organisational communication is being modelled on the physical /postal/ service warts and all |
| 10:38.20 | AKX | Well, it's install time. :) |
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| 10:38.31 | xingu | but hey, whatever causes the least pain I guess |
| 10:38.59 | garo | valdyn: thanks |
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| 10:39.39 | tkr | AKX, horde if you need webmail also |
| 10:39.48 | dex | is there an alternative for java? |
| 10:39.57 | dex | I need to use java in firefox |
| 10:39.58 | hark | mono!!! |
| 10:40.04 | tkr | alternative for java?? |
| 10:40.06 | dex | iceweasel* |
| 10:40.20 | dex | tkr: yea I cannot see anything called "java" in synaptic |
| 10:40.20 | valdyn | dex: java is java is java |
| 10:40.21 | tkr | dex, meaning like alternative java vm? |
| 10:40.28 | Rakker | Hello, I am going to compile 2.6.21.1 from kernel.org Should I apply a patch of somesort for use with debian? |
| 10:40.29 | valdyn | ops |
| 10:40.29 | dex | tkr: yea, sorry |
| 10:40.37 | AKX | Is there any reason to choose postfix over exim4 or the other way around? |
| 10:40.42 | dex | valdyn: yep, :p |
| 10:40.46 | valdyn | dex: java5-sun-plugin, its in nonfree |
| 10:40.50 | hark | dex: sun java 5 is in the repositories (non-free) |
| 10:41.05 | dex | hark,valdyn: ok, I'll check |
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| 10:41.27 | valdyn | dex: ops, its sun-java5-plugin |
| 10:41.28 | hark | !info sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 10:41.29 | dex | hark,valdyn: which category? |
| 10:41.31 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 10:41.31 | tkr | dex, kaffe, sable |
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| 10:41.57 | AKX | And also, is there some sort of administration frontend available for postfix/exim4/dovecot? |
| 10:42.21 | dex | ok, got it |
| 10:42.24 | dex | thanks everyone!! |
| 10:42.37 | hark | usually, you just code your own |
| 10:42.40 | valdyn | AKX: 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
| 10:42.49 | valdyn | AKX: similar for postfix |
| 10:42.55 | dex | will it automatically install the plugin in firefox? |
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| 10:43.00 | hark | yes |
| 10:43.03 | xingu | and here we go, suddenly because you've bought into running a courier service for your postits you now need a reliable manager to take care of the day to day details |
| 10:43.04 | dex | cool |
| 10:43.20 | hark | !spamsmite xingu |
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| 10:46.51 | Sazpaimon | oh great |
| 10:46.52 | Sazpaimon | now what |
| 10:46.58 | Sazpaimon | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 10:46.59 | Sazpaimon | ...what |
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| 10:47.07 | Sazpaimon | what the hell did I do wrong |
| 10:47.11 | rexthedog | hi |
| 10:47.19 | Gnea | uh |
| 10:47.20 | rexthedog | can anyone tell me how to disable user shell by default and a user ratio ? |
| 10:47.35 | Gnea | maybe ssh is restarting? |
| 10:47.40 | Sazpaimon | what? |
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| 10:47.45 | Sazpaimon | that's when I try to ping |
| 10:47.49 | Sazpaimon | Im logged into the serial console |
| 10:47.56 | Gnea | ugh |
| 10:49.18 | RichiH | hmm |
| 10:49.34 | RichiH | i can't find the correct file to make rpc not listen on 0.0.0.0 |
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| 10:50.17 | Sazpaimon | ugh what the hell |
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| 10:50.24 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, dhcp seems to be working |
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| 10:50.30 | Sazpaimon | but nothing is resolving |
| 10:51.12 | Sazpaimon | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 10:51.12 | Sazpaimon | bound to XX.XX.XX.XX -- renewal in 75939 seconds. |
| 10:51.20 | Sazpaimon | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 10:51.27 | Sazpaimon | woo wee |
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| 10:52.40 | xingu | RichiH: not sure there is one |
| 10:53.02 | xingu | RichiH: you can bind mountd/statd to a specific port but I think they listen on all addresses |
| 10:53.12 | xingu | RichiH: on the plus side, they are tcpwrapped. |
| 10:53.25 | Sazpaimon | anyone have any idea? |
| 10:53.33 | Sazpaimon | Im pretty much SOL now |
| 10:53.50 | liable | RichiH: inetd runs rpc |
| 10:53.51 | xingu | RichiH: etc/default/nfs-{common,kernel-server} or whatever; but there's no listen-on directive/option. |
| 10:54.20 | xingu | liable: eh? nfs rpc at least is daemonised |
| 10:54.31 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:55.09 | Sazpaimon | it has nameservers |
| 10:55.10 | xingu | RichiH: etc/default/portmap has -i ... for the portmapper at least |
| 10:55.19 | liable | xingu: doesnt matter anyway, you cant alter it from inetd's anyway, so i can be safely ignored |
| 10:55.23 | Sazpaimon | but even if I try to ping an IP it tells me the network is unreachable |
| 10:55.30 | Sazpaimon | so it isnt that |
| 10:55.38 | Gnea | is the default route set? |
| 10:56.13 | Sazpaimon | hm? |
| 10:56.28 | Gnea | ip r |
| 10:56.40 | Gnea | is there a "default via..."? |
| 10:57.12 | RichiH | liable, xingu: my rpc is run via identd, but yah, i can not find any way to make it listen on 127.0.0.0/8 |
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| 10:57.17 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, nope |
| 10:57.26 | foo | Would anyone happen to know if I can run myisamchk on multiple tables at once? (different instances in different terms) |
| 10:57.31 | Sazpaimon | ip r gives no output |
| 10:57.43 | Gnea | what about route? |
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| 10:57.55 | Sazpaimon | nothing |
| 10:57.57 | Sazpaimon | well, the header |
| 10:58.00 | Sazpaimon | but that's it |
| 10:58.13 | Gnea | looks like no ip was setup |
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| 10:58.28 | Gnea | is the upgrade completed? |
| 10:58.36 | Sazpaimon | yeah, then I rebooted |
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| 10:58.59 | Gnea | did /etc/network/interfaces get changed? |
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| 10:59.11 | Gnea | and is it running the same kernel? |
| 10:59.14 | Sazpaimon | dpkg didnt ask me |
| 10:59.25 | Sazpaimon | 2.6.16.27-061216a, yep |
| 10:59.46 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: so look at it and see if it looks like it's right or not |
| 10:59.56 | Sazpaimon | looks fine |
| 11:00.14 | Sazpaimon | auto lo eth0, iface lo inet loopback, and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 11:00.20 | Sazpaimon | all on seperate lines of cours |
| 11:00.22 | Sazpaimon | *course |
| 11:00.31 | Gnea | k, try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:01.07 | Sazpaimon | it got an IP from DHCP, but still cant resolve |
| 11:01.24 | Gnea | is the route set now? |
| 11:01.53 | Sazpaimon | route and ip r give the same outpit |
| 11:01.58 | Sazpaimon | *output |
| 11:02.03 | Gnea | nothing still? |
| 11:02.08 | Gnea | if nothing, then an ip was never set |
| 11:02.11 | Sazpaimon | nope |
| 11:02.27 | Gnea | what is the result of: ip l |
| 11:02.48 | Sazpaimon | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 |
| 11:02.48 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.54 | Sazpaimon | and lo's line of course |
| 11:03.11 | Gnea | and: ip a |
| 11:03.24 | Sazpaimon | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 |
| 11:03.24 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.24 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:03.49 | Gnea | ok |
| 11:03.56 | Gnea | try: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 11:03.56 | xingu | go go gadget /32 netmasks |
| 11:04.11 | Sazpaimon | still cant ping |
| 11:04.24 | Gnea | but does ifconfig show anything now? |
| 11:04.39 | Sazpaimon | ifconfig always showed something |
| 11:04.42 | xingu | Gnea: that interface won't arp for its gateway if that's what you're trying to configure. |
| 11:04.52 | xingu | Gnea: netmask should porbably be something other than /32 |
| 11:05.09 | Gnea | xingu: but it's getting an ip via dhcp |
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| 11:05.23 | xingu | Gnea: dhcp server is handing out busted netmasks then probably |
| 11:05.31 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 11:06.08 | yang | What are the default debian passwords of users nobody, daemon, bin, sys |
| 11:06.11 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: is dhclient or pump the dhcp client? |
| 11:06.25 | Gnea | yang: there are default passwords for them? |
| 11:07.05 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, I think it's dhclient, how do I double check? |
| 11:07.22 | yang | gnea: I get this - May 6 06:47:07 maia su[20815]: Successful su for nobody by root ; May 6 06:47:08 maia su[20815]: + ??? root:nobody |
| 11:07.50 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: ps axf |
| 11:08.16 | Gnea | yang: just once a day? |
| 11:08.17 | Sazpaimon | dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib |
| 11:08.43 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i would nail that process and start a new one |
| 11:08.52 | yang | Gnea: what I am thinking that someone could log in with user nobody, if he knew default debian passwords? |
| 11:09.02 | Gnea | yang: impossible |
| 11:09.18 | Gnea | yang: look in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow |
| 11:09.42 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, ok, killed that pid and re-ran dhclient |
| 11:09.50 | Sazpaimon | no luck |
| 11:09.57 | Gnea | ip is set the same? |
| 11:10.05 | Gnea | what about tail -f /var/log/syslog ? |
| 11:10.06 | Sazpaimon | 74.208.47.186, yep |
| 11:10.30 | yang | Gnea: bin:*:13092:0:99999:7:: *-would probably mean that it doesnt accept the password? |
| 11:10.50 | Sazpaimon | May 6 11:09:20 u15254048 dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 |
| 11:10.50 | Sazpaimon | May 6 11:09:20 u15254048 dhclient: DHCPACK from 74.208.8.249 |
| 11:10.50 | Sazpaimon | May 6 11:09:20 u15254048 dhclient: bound to 74.208.47.186 -- renewal in 76863 seconds. |
| 11:10.57 | Sazpaimon | usual stuff |
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| 11:11.42 | xand | pasting is naughty |
| 11:11.55 | Gnea | xand: if it's 3 lines or less, it's fine. |
| 11:11.58 | runatrain | any one alive? |
| 11:12.02 | liable | yep |
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| 11:12.42 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: can you ping 74.208.47.186? |
| 11:12.47 | ma3x | I just launched memtest and I did 2 pass, it showed no errors |
| 11:12.47 | runatrain | i am about to get a compu with debian preinstalled, what do you think of this if you got a second to look over |
| 11:12.51 | ma3x | is 2 pass good? |
| 11:12.51 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: and can you ping localhost? |
| 11:12.52 | runatrain | i am done with windows now |
| 11:12.52 | Sazpaimon | ugh, sercon closed |
| 11:12.55 | ma3x | or should I do more than that? |
| 11:13.04 | runatrain | http://www.swt.com/ |
| 11:13.13 | runatrain | i got it from the dibian website |
| 11:13.23 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: wtf? |
| 11:13.37 | Sazpaimon | serial console closes automatically after no activity |
| 11:13.45 | runatrain | does that site look legit? |
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| 11:13.54 | liable | ma3x: you have stated previously that it failed after some time. why are you now asking if two passes is enough? |
| 11:13.56 | Sazpaimon | and yeah |
| 11:13.58 | runatrain | its looks questionable to me |
| 11:14.01 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: can you get back in? |
| 11:14.03 | Sazpaimon | I can ping both my IP and localhost |
| 11:14.08 | ma3x | liable, I now removed one of the rams |
| 11:14.15 | Sazpaimon | yeah, I just needed to relog in |
| 11:14.20 | Gnea | phew |
| 11:14.24 | liable | ma3x: do you think we are stupid or are you trying to convince yourself, that your fucked memory is ok? |
| 11:14.24 | xand | you have sheep in your PC?! |
| 11:14.34 | runatrain | i have lemmings |
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| 11:14.47 | Sazpaimon | ok im in |
| 11:15.00 | liable | ma3x: oh, ok then, run it to the test that failed before |
| 11:15.02 | ma3x | liable, no - I am asking how many passes or for how many hours should I leave it running to know if the ram is ok |
| 11:15.11 | ma3x | liable, it was #8 |
| 11:15.20 | ma3x | I 've run 2 passes and it showed no errors |
| 11:15.37 | ma3x | does that mean that the ram inside is the healthy ram? |
| 11:15.41 | ma3x | because I took one out |
| 11:15.46 | liable | ma3x: try and leave it overnight |
| 11:16.06 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, so any idea what the culprit might be? |
| 11:16.26 | ma3x | liable, the problem is when I close my laptop lid it switches off, and if I don't close it, it lights all night long |
| 11:16.26 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: could be a non-complete upgrade... not sure what else at this point :/ |
| 11:16.34 | Sazpaimon | bah |
| 11:16.35 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: what is listed in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 11:16.54 | Sazpaimon | deb http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/debian/ stable main |
| 11:16.55 | Sazpaimon | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 11:17.34 | liable | ma3x: hrm, you should be able to fix that. google dpms |
| 11:17.46 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 11:17.58 | abrotman | fix dpms ? |
| 11:18.02 | ma3x | liable, how? |
| 11:18.09 | ma3x | I mean I run memtest when I turn on the computer |
| 11:18.09 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i have no idea :/ |
| 11:18.11 | liable | abrotman: help ma3x |
| 11:18.18 | ma3x | I don't boot into debian first ... but before |
| 11:18.21 | ma3x | when grub loads |
| 11:18.28 | abrotman | help him what? |
| 11:18.28 | Sazpaimon | blah |
| 11:18.31 | Reveal | hey guys, after my upgrade to the new stable... my mail isn't spam and virus checked anymore .... it routes through Amavis but Amavis doesn't route it through clam and spamassassin .... I can't seem to find anything wrong in the new config system ... can anyone help me ? |
| 11:18.36 | Sazpaimon | i guess I'll try again later then |
| 11:18.42 | liable | ma3x: oh, ya, when running memtest you prolly cant turn the monitor off. |
| 11:18.43 | ma3x | liable, and the bios has so little options (laptop) |
| 11:18.48 | Sazpaimon | if all else fails i'll just re-imae my server and start from scratch |
| 11:19.03 | Gnea | ok |
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| 11:19.09 | ma3x | liable, that's what I was telling you |
| 11:19.12 | liable | ma3x: put a towel ove rit :) |
| 11:19.16 | abrotman | ma3x: close the lid :) |
| 11:19.21 | liable | ma3x: i was having a brainfart |
| 11:19.29 | ma3x | abrotman, it goes suspend or something like that |
| 11:19.34 | ma3x | or standby I don't know |
| 11:19.50 | ma3x | liable, somebody farted in your brain? |
| 11:19.57 | abrotman | when you're running memtest from the boot manager ? |
| 11:19.57 | liable | it shouldnt |
| 11:19.59 | xoz | ma3x: perhaps in the bios setup |
| 11:20.03 | liable | disable apm |
| 11:20.04 | ma3x | abrotman, yes grub |
| 11:20.10 | abrotman | ma3x: it's not going to |
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| 11:20.29 | ma3x | xoz, you know laptop bios - you can change only boot devices and usb legacy support ... |
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| 11:20.43 | ma3x | abrotman, its not going to what? |
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| 11:21.14 | xoz | ma3x: no apm or energy savings option in the bios? |
| 11:21.22 | abrotman | ma3x: what isn't happening when you run memtest ? |
| 11:21.24 | ma3x | xoz nope |
| 11:21.47 | abrotman | xoz: AFAIK .. the OS still has to utilize them |
| 11:21.53 | liable | unlikely |
| 11:21.58 | xoz | ma3x: FN+display, may work |
| 11:22.00 | liable | not apm |
| 11:22.02 | ma3x | abrotman, nothing's happening, it runs good and when I close the laptop lid it goes standby or suspend |
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| 11:22.35 | ma3x | xoz, what will that do? switch to the output (crt)? |
| 11:22.43 | abrotman | ma3x: how do you know this ? |
| 11:22.55 | ma3x | abrotman, what fn+display? |
| 11:23.02 | abrotman | that it's going to sleep |
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| 11:23.14 | ma3x | abrotman, well it turns off |
| 11:23.30 | abrotman | ma3x: how do you know this ? |
| 11:23.33 | xoz | ma3x: some laptop blanks/sleeps the screen |
| 11:23.35 | ma3x | ah, let me reboot one time and close the lid and see what exactly happens |
| 11:23.52 | ma3x | xoz, im sure it stops and then resumes when I open the lid |
| 11:23.56 | abrotman | my laptop blanks the screen when i close the lid .. it does not sleep/trn off |
| 11:24.02 | ma3x | abrotman, let me try |
| 11:24.27 | abrotman | quick .. ban him! |
| 11:25.00 | liable | if there really was a god, surely he would look favourably upon those that have helped ma3x in irc |
| 11:25.00 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure the OS still has to be set to take advantage of ACPI events |
| 11:25.21 | abrotman | and i doubt memtest does that |
| 11:25.54 | liable | abrotman: not sure about apm |
| 11:26.02 | abrotman | AFAIK .. the same |
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| 11:26.16 | abrotman | though .. power saving sucks .. warm the earth! |
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| 11:26.46 | xoz | use opengl screensaver that eats 100% cpu!!! |
| 11:27.11 | liable | indeed! |
| 11:27.31 | panthera | baeh.. just use gentoo |
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| 11:27.49 | panthera | that wastes more energy you can never compensate with running screensavers :) |
| 11:27.52 | abrotman | i hope your file manager doesn't use 100% |
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| 11:28.01 | ma3x | ok so when I close the lid, it goes to sleep |
| 11:28.07 | abrotman | ma3x: lies! |
| 11:28.15 | ma3x | abrotman, the moon light flashes |
| 11:28.16 | abrotman | ma3x: what happens when it opens? |
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| 11:28.25 | ma3x | and then when I reopen the lid it has blank screen |
| 11:28.25 | abrotman | it's a thinkpad ? |
| 11:28.32 | ma3x | I tried pressing different keys and it wont react |
| 11:28.40 | ma3x | then I press the power button and it resumes instantly |
| 11:28.52 | ma3x | (continues process) |
| 11:28.58 | abrotman | there's like .. nothing to memtest |
| 11:28.58 | ma3x | capish? |
| 11:28.59 | liable | disable apm |
| 11:28.59 | xoz | ma3x: fn+F4 or whatever for display,, does not blank the screen? |
| 11:29.06 | abrotman | it fits on a damn floppy |
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| 11:29.13 | abrotman | capice ? .. isn't it ? |
| 11:29.25 | liable | whatsit |
| 11:29.31 | liable | pizza! |
| 11:29.43 | ma3x | xoz, you mean clear the black screen? |
| 11:30.06 | liable | just put a towel over it and let memtest run ffs |
| 11:30.27 | ma3x | liable, don't be jackass it could burn my laptop |
| 11:30.37 | liable | then you wont need the nightlight on |
| 11:30.47 | ma3x | I had this stupid girlfriend once - she put a towel overinght on my laptop |
| 11:31.07 | ma3x | I woke up in the morning and the fans were at max power |
| 11:31.22 | ma3x | I asked her why did you do that |
| 11:31.26 | ma3x | she said, it made too much noise |
| 11:31.30 | liable | stick it in te closet then |
| 11:31.35 | ma3x | but by doing that it made 5 times more noise |
| 11:31.48 | cat | hey how do you instert a patch to a program? |
| 11:31.54 | ma3x | !patch |
| 11:31.54 | dpkg | methinks patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
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| 11:32.09 | ma3x | xoz let me try fn+f4 |
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| 11:32.26 | ma3x | anyway isn't there any option to put to the memtest grub loader line to turn off that function |
| 11:32.36 | ma3x | is it acpi that puts it to sleep or what? |
| 11:32.42 | ma3x | maybe I could just add acpi=off ? |
| 11:33.33 | abrotman | ma3x: i'd be interested to know if this happens with the memtest ISO |
| 11:34.00 | ma3x | abrotman, you want me to burn the iso and boot with a memtest cd? |
| 11:34.15 | abrotman | yres |
| 11:34.27 | ma3x | urm, hold on |
| 11:34.50 | avtobiff | urgh. MATLAB. (hold on;) |
| 11:35.42 | ma3x | is this good to download? Download - Pre-Compiled Bootable ISO (.gz) ** Memtest86+ V1.70 (01/14/2007) ** |
| 11:35.52 | abrotman | i think so |
| 11:36.17 | foo | http://x01.ath.cx/temp/hderr.txt - any ideas on those errors from /var/log/messages? 400GB SATA drive. hmm. |
| 11:36.45 | abrotman | check your cables |
| 11:36.52 | ma3x | 44K wtf? I thought it's more than that. I could write it to a floppy too |
| 11:37.07 | ma3x | oh i forgot this laptop has no floppy |
| 11:37.08 | abrotman | foo: but that's usually bad |
| 11:37.17 | abrotman | ma3x: ISO is a CD |
| 11:37.28 | abrotman | well .. can be |
| 11:37.34 | abrotman | and in this case .. that's what i meant |
| 11:37.48 | foo | abrotman: hm, gah, this is on a "production" server. I had these issues before, so I told the data center, and they swapped out everything into a new system... except we have the same hard drive. |
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| 11:38.02 | ma3x | well I don't have CDs now, I'll burn it to a dvd+rw |
| 11:38.08 | abrotman | foo: make sure you have a good backup |
| 11:38.21 | foo | abrotman: ok, thanks. And probably get this replaced asap, right? |
| 11:38.29 | abrotman | foo: likely a bum HDD then |
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| 11:38.35 | foo | abrotman: I see. |
| 11:38.46 | abrotman | foo: yeah .. but make sure you get a good backup before it dies totally |
| 11:38.58 | foo | abrotman: bah, and it has to be on the mysql master. |
| 11:39.01 | foo | abrotman: ok, thank you. |
| 11:39.13 | abrotman | foo: oh .. in that case i blame mysql :) |
| 11:39.31 | foo | abrotman: Why? :P |
| 11:39.36 | abrotman | i'm joking |
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| 11:40.09 | foo | hehe |
| 11:40.24 | xand | quack quack |
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| 11:40.53 | ma3x | sanyway I got two binds of my schroot and I can't umount them |
| 11:40.54 | ma3x | /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32 on /var/lib/schroot/mount/etch32-5347d39f-9b87-42fa-b517-3176eb72cf8f type none (rw,bind) |
| 11:40.54 | ma3x | /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32 on /var/lib/schroot/mount/etch32-e17f7f71-b51b-4463-afa5-8867cff0bd34 type none (rw,bind) |
| 11:41.05 | ma3x | I type lsof | grep /var/lib/schroot and nothing comes up |
| 11:41.14 | ma3x | when i try to umount them it says device or resource busy |
| 11:41.22 | ma3x | whta's using it then? |
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| 11:42.26 | voltagex | does the dpkg bot give out direct urls to packages? |
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| 11:42.34 | voltagex | I need to manually install a package |
| 11:43.43 | abrotman | packages.debian.org does |
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| 11:46.21 | ma3x | abrotman, same jackshit with the cd |
| 11:46.27 | ma3x | tried acpi=off too, same jackshit too |
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| 11:46.58 | abrotman | ah well |
| 11:47.10 | abrotman | maybe the memtest docs have something about it |
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| 11:48.47 | liable | http://hup.hu/old/memtest86/index.html see v3 enhancements |
| 11:48.52 | liable | turn apm off! |
| 11:49.00 | ma3x | any info how to umount those chroot partitions |
| 11:49.04 | ma3x | ^^^ |
| 11:49.07 | liable | v1.3 i should say |
| 11:49.22 | ma3x | let me check |
| 11:49.46 | liable | or i should say, try and make it turn on! |
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| 11:51.26 | ma3x | you try |
| 11:51.44 | abrotman | you do it! |
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| 11:52.20 | asg | abrotman: here, have an egg mcmuffin |
| 11:52.22 | ma3x | do what? |
| 11:52.24 | liable | look like your fucked, just shut your eyes if you dont want to see the screen |
| 11:52.29 | abrotman | !asg++ |
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| 11:52.51 | ma3x | liable, how many passes? |
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| 11:52.59 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 11:52.59 | abrotman | overnight .. at least |
| 11:53.04 | liable | ma3x: all night |
| 11:53.18 | ma3x | do you do that? |
| 11:53.24 | xoz | ma3x: what is the brand of your notebook? |
| 11:53.25 | liable | ... |
| 11:53.26 | abrotman | ma3x: have you ever gone all night long? |
| 11:53.33 | ma3x | xoz, fujitsu-siemens a1630 |
| 11:53.39 | ma3x | abrotman, just once |
| 11:53.59 | liable | ma3x: why do you even bother asking for help? you never seem to actually takes advice, but rather supply stupid arguments to peoples advice |
| 11:54.02 | abrotman | ma3x: let the memtest run overnight |
| 11:54.06 | xoz | ma3x: no other option in bios? sure about that? |
| 11:54.26 | ma3x | xoz, there is option for the power button either on/off or suspend |
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| 11:55.45 | ma3x | liable, i take advice, just the good ones |
| 11:56.19 | ma3x | liable, why have it running 12 hours long just for one piece of ram |
| 11:56.25 | AKX | valdyn: Still here? I've refined my needs for the mail system. What I really only need is a robust, simple MTA that can deliver mail to virtual host maildirs (my server runs four different domains), and the POP/IMAP interface to read those. What's the simplest way to go about this? |
| 11:56.29 | ma3x | if you'd service someone's computer it'd take you that long? |
| 11:56.38 | abrotman | ma3x: god damn it .. OVERNIGHT |
| 11:56.57 | ma3x | harder |
| 11:57.05 | liable | lol |
| 11:57.10 | asg | faster |
| 11:57.19 | JosefAssad | harder |
| 11:57.37 | ma3x | easy boy |
| 11:57.57 | liable | i am prolly old enough to be your dad |
| 11:58.01 | ma3x | btw, there is no way to test it while im on debian? |
| 11:58.07 | ma3x | it's necessary to boot ... ? |
| 11:58.14 | JosefAssad | only on irc... |
| 11:58.15 | xingu | liable: you don't look a day over 60 though |
| 11:58.18 | abrotman | ma3x: you'll live |
| 11:58.20 | cat | how do you put a patch into a program |
| 11:58.23 | cat | the command? |
| 11:58.30 | abrotman | cat: man patch |
| 11:58.31 | ma3x | abrotman, what do you mean? |
| 11:58.43 | abrotman | ma3x: just let the damn thing run overnight |
| 11:58.51 | ma3x | liable, im prolly old enough to stick with your daughter |
| 11:59.15 | ma3x | alright |
| 11:59.23 | ma3x | and then for the 2nd piece of ram, the same? |
| 11:59.52 | xoz | ma3x: pressing fn*f4 several times not working? |
| 12:00.02 | ma3x | xoz, nope still goes to sleep |
| 12:00.10 | xored | valdyn: hi. Can you rember, we talked to eachother yesterday because of the crashes. It has crashed to day again. Iam quite sure now its proftpd. When the "Photos" of the events are uploaded on the weekend, the server crashes. Are there problems known in etch with proftd under high load ?# |
| 12:00.11 | ma3x | it turns off hdd ... I think |
| 12:00.14 | ma3x | is that called sleep? |
| 12:00.37 | ma3x | anyway the other day I tried to suspend |
| 12:00.42 | ma3x | and I couldn't turn on the computer anymore |
| 12:00.47 | ma3x | nothing showed - blank screen |
| 12:00.48 | liable | ah, just did what i should have long ago |
| 12:00.48 | dondelelcaro | xored: applications crashes should never cause the machine to crash |
| 12:00.51 | xoz | ma3x: fn + f1 is for sleeping, fn+f4 should cycle to internal/external screen |
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| 12:00.57 | ma3x | had to remove one of the rams |
| 12:00.59 | dondelelcaro | xored: if it's happening there is at least a bug in the kernel |
| 12:01.06 | dondelelcaro | (or a hardware problem) |
| 12:01.34 | xored | dondelelcaro: the question is, it never happend before ( sarge ) |
| 12:01.40 | xored | and i did not upgrade the kernel |
| 12:01.51 | ma3x | ok I go for some testing sequence |
| 12:01.52 | xored | dondelelcaro: iam using the full etch setup... |
| 12:02.01 | ma3x | anyway how do I umount the schroot partitions? |
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| 12:02.13 | dondelelcaro | xored: that's fine, but if proftp has a bug, it will fail and the machine will keep running |
| 12:02.26 | dondelelcaro | xored: if you haven't upgraded your kernel, you should probably do so |
| 12:02.34 | xoz | ma3x: lsof. kill/quit progs that uses chroot dir |
| 12:02.40 | xored | dondelelcaro: the thing is, i cant reach the machine with FTP / SMPT / POPO / IMAP / HTTP / SSH |
| 12:02.51 | xored | but the net interface is still up, i can ping the machine |
| 12:02.59 | dondelelcaro | xored: if you can't reach the machine, then it's hung or has otherwise locked up |
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| 12:03.11 | xoz | ma3x: if you have mounted some fs inside chroot, umount them first before umounting the chroot |
| 12:03.20 | dondelelcaro | xored: if you can ping it, then check out the machine's console; it's possible that the load is too high or the machine is swapping |
| 12:03.37 | xoz | or thrashing |
| 12:03.37 | ma3x | xoz, nothing mounted inside chroot, and nohting's using it either |
| 12:03.40 | xored | dondelelcaro: what would you suggest as next steps..i really searched the logs yesterday, i loggen vmstat all the time so i can see the load when the server comes up again |
| 12:03.56 | xored | dondelelcaro: i cant connect to the console |
| 12:04.02 | dondelelcaro | xored: why not? |
| 12:04.03 | xored | ssh is down / closed / locked whatever |
| 12:04.10 | xoz | ma3x: and any bash running inside chroot. |
| 12:04.15 | xored | dondelelcaro: i dont get a response on the port |
| 12:04.51 | xingu | xored: can you pastebin the last 10 or so lines of vmstat output you have available leading up to the lockup? |
| 12:05.01 | dondelelcaro | xored: the console, not ssh |
| 12:05.21 | xoz | ma3x: if you use sudo chroot /mynewroot ... quit this bash |
| 12:05.22 | xored | dondelelcaro: its remote only |
| 12:05.46 | xored | dondelelcaro: it in at the computer station or how do you call that in english ( housing station) |
| 12:06.02 | dondelelcaro | xored: colo |
| 12:06.09 | ma3x | xoz, I use schroot |
| 12:06.23 | dondelelcaro | xored: although, even in a colo you can get a serial console... |
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| 12:06.43 | xored | dondelelcaro: not there, its not that a "high profile" server yet |
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| 12:08.20 | dondelelcaro | xored: well, in this case I'd have someone restart the machine, then check the logs to try to see what happened |
| 12:08.24 | xored | dondelelcaro: http://www.impressive-media.de/vmtest.log |
| 12:08.29 | Mole | when i try to remove directories in lost+found i get "operation not permitted"..what to do ? |
| 12:08.32 | xoz | ma3x: quit all those schroots first |
| 12:08.34 | ma3x | how would I create a command that will do the following: chroot directory && su ma3x and type the password |
| 12:08.45 | xored | dondelelcaro: machine is up and running again ( hard reboot )...thats the last lines in my vmtest 1 log |
| 12:08.55 | hall_ | how can i make my machine get a dhcp lease on boot? it used to do so but then stopped for reasons that are not clear to me. |
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| 12:09.40 | ma3x | I mean autologin |
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| 12:09.46 | xingu | dondelelcaro, xored: out of memory; check swapped (swpd) column, # of blocked tasks (b), and constant paging activity (si/so) |
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| 12:10.06 | ma3x | how do you put in a script su ma3x and then to type the password and hit enter |
| 12:10.16 | xored | xingu: iam not sure how to read vmtest, any howtos ? |
| 12:10.20 | xingu | dondelelcaro, xored: something is chewing lots of pageable memory; find out what it is |
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| 12:10.30 | xored | xingu: proftpd |
| 12:10.34 | psyco-obiwan | ma3x: afaik you don't need the pw if su'ing from root |
| 12:10.47 | ma3x | yup, I was just wondering if I need it for something else |
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| 12:11.04 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: is your dhcpd working and has free leases ? |
| 12:11.05 | xoz | ma3x: use sudo where NOPASSWD is enabled |
| 12:11.10 | xored | xingu: iam hosting a stei which is publish fotos from events ( esp. on weekends ) they are uploading...and they have uploaded right before the server crashes, same scheme yesterday |
| 12:11.28 | xingu | dondelelcaro, xored: might pay you to limit the # of concurrent connections |
| 12:11.48 | xingu | xored: how big is the average photo as a file on disk? |
| 12:11.48 | ma3x | xoz, where do you enable NOPASSWD? in /etc/sudoers? |
| 12:11.50 | dondelelcaro | xored: yeah, it does look like you're hitting swap pretty hard; you may have triggered OOM |
| 12:11.59 | xored | xingu: maybe. What about the kernel upgrade. which kernel do i use for an opteron 64 bit ? |
| 12:12.09 | dondelelcaro | although, the fact that the machine is 100% idle is kind of wierd |
| 12:12.15 | xored | xingu: 2MB |
| 12:12.18 | xingu | xored: kernel upgrade won't help you, this box is failing due to being out of memory |
| 12:12.26 | xoz | ma3x: username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 12:12.33 | xoz | ma3x: in sudoers |
| 12:12.38 | hall_ | psyco-obiwan, not sure what dhcpd is (complete newbie i'm afraid) if i run dhclient then i get a lease |
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| 12:12.45 | ma3x | k |
| 12:12.54 | xored | dondelelcaro: i think the idle gone down...and thats just the line when the server is "dead" |
| 12:12.54 | ma3x | chroot /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32 && su ma3x && iceweasel %u |
| 12:12.57 | ma3x | why would that not work? |
| 12:13.03 | xingu | xored: and the only way I know of that proftpd can chew that much memory (2G+) is to have massive amounts of concurrent sessions |
| 12:13.25 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: it can't connect to the x socket |
| 12:13.30 | xored | xingu: thats possible, the client they are using is selfwritten by me...maybe he is not "efficent" |
| 12:13.40 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you need to bind mount /tmp and /home, generally speaking |
| 12:13.45 | xingu | xored: if it really is proftpd tha owns the memory that is; there's nothing in the vmstat that gives the consumption an owner, just what the point of failure is |
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| 12:13.50 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, they are already mounted |
| 12:13.50 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: consider using dchroot or similar |
| 12:13.59 | xored | xingu: that could also be the diffrence to the sarge setup, maybe they changed the config file and now my server is not limitting the amoutn of connections |
| 12:13.59 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: under the chroot? |
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| 12:14.01 | xand | ferret comes back |
| 12:14.01 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: ok, then dhcpd is working. did you change your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 12:14.09 | xingu | xored: could well be. |
| 12:14.13 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, like this /home on /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32/home type none (rw,bind) |
| 12:14.19 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: and /tmp? |
| 12:14.27 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, yes and proc and dev |
| 12:14.33 | xored | xingu: anyway what iam planing : upgrading the kernel ( guess amd64-k8-smp for an opteron ?) and using vsftpd instead of proftpd |
| 12:14.48 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: ok; then is XAUTHORITY set? is ma3x running the running X server? |
| 12:14.54 | xingu | xored: the fact that you have ~150 running processes and 30-50 blocked speaks volumes; this is a busy box. |
| 12:15.31 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, yes but I think something's wrong with the command |
| 12:15.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: is there a running iceweasel? |
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| 12:15.37 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, no |
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| 12:15.38 | xingu | xored: I don't think a kernel upgrade will change the operating paramaters here fwiw but good luck; you're better off in my view configuring proftpd to constrain concurrency and /then/ troubleshooting to isolate the memory leak. |
| 12:15.48 | xored | xingu: hmm, they are a lot of mysql connections / apache preforks ( 9) because there are users which wants to see the pictures etc. |
| 12:15.49 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I want to run iceweasel from the chroot with my user ma3x (which runs the X) |
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| 12:16.00 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: so then what's the output? |
| 12:16.11 | xored | xingu: what do you think, vsftpd is better then prftpd ? |
| 12:16.25 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, well first I should login as root to do chroot |
| 12:16.29 | ma3x | isn't that a problem? |
| 12:16.36 | xingu | xored: ok so the same applies; mod_cband might help |
| 12:17.08 | xored | xingu: for proftd ? are there any good "tweaking" howtos ? |
| 12:17.11 | hall_ | psyco-obiwan, no |
| 12:17.13 | xingu | xored: no, for apache |
| 12:17.24 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: you can just sudo; no need to actually become root |
| 12:17.34 | xored | xingu: you really think thats a good idea ? |
| 12:17.44 | dondelelcaro | well, no need to actually log in as root; obviously you have to be uid 0 |
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| 12:17.58 | xingu | xored: I don't got religion re: ftpd/httpd, that's your bag to look into; your problem is memory exhaustion; one constraint you don't have, and need, is in terms of concurrency for both |
| 12:18.16 | xored | xingu: yeah. |
| 12:18.32 | hall_ | psyco-obiwan, not deliberately anyway- I have been trying to get samba set up using SWAT - that may have changed it without my realising it |
| 12:18.47 | xingu | xored: nb it could easily be that one of your apache or proftpd modules is leaking memory |
| 12:18.55 | hall_ | this is the contents of that file # The loopback network interface |
| 12:18.55 | hall_ | auto lo |
| 12:18.55 | hall_ | iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:19.01 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: ls -la /etc/network/interfaces and see the date |
| 12:19.05 | xingu | xored: /after/ you bound concurrency for httpd/ftpd - then go looking for that with top |
| 12:19.10 | xored | xingu: i dont think its apache..its more proftpd |
| 12:19.14 | xingu | xored: sort by resident size |
| 12:19.20 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, sudo chroot /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32 && su ma3x && iceweasel it just logs in to the chroot and doesn't execute the other &&s |
| 12:19.23 | xored | xingu: server goes down when the pps are uplaoding the pictures |
| 12:19.27 | psyco-obiwan | hall, dont paste here, use pastebin or suchalike |
| 12:19.32 | xingu | xored: fair do. |
| 12:19.34 | psyco-obiwan | if thats everything it lackes eth0. |
| 12:19.38 | hall_ | 2007-04-26 |
| 12:19.40 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, when I log out of the chroot , it then starts doing the other && |
| 12:19.44 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, do you understand? |
| 12:19.46 | xingu | xored: in top - press [O] then [q] |
| 12:19.59 | xingu | xored: will sort by resident size; then sit back and wait. |
| 12:20.13 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: sarge or etch ? |
| 12:20.14 | xingu | xored: memory leak to that sort of tune should show up pretty quickly. |
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| 12:20.19 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: oh; sorry. You want sudo chroot ... sh -c 'su ma3x iceweasel' |
| 12:20.42 | dondelelcaro | s/ma3x/ma3x -c / |
| 12:20.45 | hall_ | etch |
| 12:21.00 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, type that again please |
| 12:22.22 | dondelelcaro | sudo chroot ... sh -c 'su -c iceweasel ma3x'; or whatever is appropriate |
| 12:22.22 | xored | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/473748 |
| 12:22.22 | xored | xingu: thats the "upper class" |
| 12:22.23 | hall_ | the network interface is eth0, what should i add o that file? |
| 12:22.24 | xoz | dondelelcaro: what about .Xauthority? sudo inherits it? |
| 12:22.25 | dondelelcaro | xoz: the default is ~/.Xauthority, so it should be ok |
| 12:22.25 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: hang on a sec |
| 12:22.26 | dondelelcaro | he'll probably have to set DISPLAY too, but that's not my problem |
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| 12:22.41 | xoz | dondelelcaro: but .Xauthority relative to the new /home |
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| 12:23.10 | xoz | im sure there was a factoid for this |
| 12:23.14 | xingu | xored: so what matters is what's growing and how quickly; mysqld there has rss=122m and if that grows it'll drill your system |
| 12:23.34 | RainbowW | how can i tell what package is giving me my current jre? |
| 12:23.39 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, first I can't get the 2nd step - once I do sudo chroot /home/ma3x/stuff/etch-ia32 && sudo ma3x <- that doesnt work |
| 12:23.46 | DavidProck1981 | beryl has just seem to stop working for me, any one have a clue what would be wrong |
| 12:23.46 | xored | xingu: i setup apache / mysql to use a lot of the servers mem because that are the only apps running.. |
| 12:24.00 | xored | xingu: maybe i tweaked them wrong. Are there things to look at ? |
| 12:24.00 | xingu | xored: apache's running 9.8-11m per child too which smells as if you're using mod_{perl,php} too |
| 12:24.07 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: no &&. |
| 12:24.07 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: try to add "allow-hotplug eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" on 2 different new lines in /etc/network/interfaces and then run /etc/init.d/networking restart from a local console (might break your current network connections!!) |
| 12:24.13 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: replace the ... with the chroot |
| 12:24.19 | xingu | xored: you need to look for what's /growing/ under load, that's the key here. |
| 12:24.20 | dvs | RainbowW: update-alternatives --display javac |
| 12:24.24 | dvs | RainbowW: update-alternatives --display java |
| 12:24.25 | hall_ | Thanks psyco-obiwan |
| 12:24.25 | xored | xingu: mod_perl is on, mod_php is there yes ( perl not used ) |
| 12:24.29 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: man chroot; and acchieve enlightenment, in other words |
| 12:24.37 | xored | xingu: that should be proftpd... |
| 12:24.38 | xingu | xored: consumption at coldstart doesn't matter; what matters is leakage. |
| 12:24.40 | psyco-obiwan | hall_: lemme know if that works (curious ;-)) |
| 12:24.46 | xored | xingu: sure |
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| 12:25.07 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, excellent thanks! |
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| 12:25.56 | xingu | xored: nb; if you're not using mod_perl I'd suggest you disable it for now, until you get this isolated. |
| 12:26.15 | xingu | xored: it is what it says on the tin - and it's very easy to write leaky perl. |
| 12:26.28 | DawnLight | does anyone know where i can get documentation for the adsl connection that is configured by pppoeconf? |
| 12:26.31 | hall_ | seems to, I will try a reboot in a minute |
| 12:26.35 | hall_ | thanks |
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| 12:27.08 | psyco-obiwan | yw, glad i could help |
| 12:27.30 | xored | xingu: there is no perl app running |
| 12:27.33 | DavidProck1981 | ahh i just ran my beryl in a shell and eveeeeery thing say it passes and then i get a Segmentation fault ? |
| 12:27.55 | xingu | xored: so offline the module to buy yourself additional headroom while you work out what the problem is |
| 12:28.14 | xored | ok |
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| 12:30.33 | hark | DawnLight: what kind? |
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| 12:31.46 | DawnLight | hark: pppoe |
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| 12:32.48 | DawnLight | hark: if there are some scripts to control the connection i would like to know about them. i seem to remember something like "adsl down/up" |
| 12:34.17 | hark | ah, yes |
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| 12:35.42 | Loevborg | On a fast machine, OO.o takes ages to load. How can I check (using top?) if there's something wrong w/ disk I/O? |
| 12:35.59 | foo | how can I do dpkg -l and show the full package name ? Seems like it is getting cut off |
| 12:36.11 | asg | foo: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l or dpkg -la |
| 12:36.14 | zamuro | Loevborg: Via top... Dunno. Why don't you try fsck? |
| 12:36.15 | foo | asg: thanks |
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| 12:37.05 | Loevborg | zamuro: my whole system holds to a grind when running something I/O intensive. That's what I'd like to check |
| 12:38.09 | DawnLight | i am configuring the hardware sensors alarms. which command should i use for shutdown in case things get hot? i want it to be quick but not too violent... |
| 12:39.36 | Filip_ | Most of the network traffic of my MythTV box is to the backend server. What type of applications should I research to make a completely separate network connection (separate NIC in the backend, separate cable) between those two computers? I want all traffic intended for the internet to go over that connection and then rerouted by the backend server to my gateway. |
| 12:39.59 | Filip_ | DawnLight: you mean like poweroff? |
| 12:39.59 | xored | xingu: how to check how much ram i have ? |
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| 12:40.14 | Filip_ | xored: top |
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| 12:40.38 | dondelelcaro | Filip_: why bother to do all of that? |
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| 12:41.19 | Filip_ | dondelelcaro: so as to relieve the rest of the network. Currently, downloading a file and watching myth is not possible at the same time. |
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| 12:41.41 | Filip_ | dondelelcaro: getting rid of the hubs could be enough... |
| 12:41.56 | Loevborg | In other words, how do I find out what the "wa%" value means exactly in "top"? |
| 12:42.23 | dondelelcaro | Loevborg: man top; search for wait |
| 12:42.41 | DawnLight | Filip_: is poweroff a command? |
| 12:42.43 | Filip_ | Loevborg: "man top" says: |
| 12:42.43 | Filip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.43 | Filip_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.44 | psyco-obiwan | Filip_: you have another network problem then, this should be possible without probs, except you have more than 10MBps Internet pipe |
| 12:43.18 | Loevborg | Filip, dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 12:43.32 | liable | DawnLight: halt/shutdown -r now |
| 12:43.37 | liable | er |
| 12:43.39 | Filip_ | psyco-obiwan: Thanks, I have some old hubs next to the router. Perhaps they cause problems... |
| 12:43.48 | liable | shutdown -h now |
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| 12:43.58 | Loevborg | I guess 96% for a few minutes is too high when opening OO.o! |
| 12:44.01 | spawn57 | is there a good how to for nfs4? |
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| 12:44.49 | DawnLight | liable: thanks |
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| 12:47.15 | xored | xingu: stopping mysql / apache / vsftp result in having 600MB of ram still used..how can that be ? |
| 12:48.25 | Filip_ | xored: did you check with top or ps? |
| 12:48.34 | xored | Filip_: iam checking |
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| 12:48.55 | Filip_ | xored: besides, linux memory management is aimed at keeping mem as full as possible. it will be made free when needed |
| 12:49.02 | funky | xored: ps aux | awk '\''{print $6" "$11}'\'' |sort -r -g | awk '\''{print $2" -----> "$1/1024" Mb"}'\'' |egrep -v "^\[|^COMMAND" |
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| 12:49.45 | xored | funky: whats that ? |
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| 12:50.00 | xored | funky: ( some qoutes are wrong ) |
| 12:50.34 | funky | it shows you the memory consumption of all your process running sorted from high to low |
| 12:50.46 | xored | funky: could you fix the qoute ? |
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| 12:50.55 | funky | its ok in my system |
| 12:50.58 | xored | hmm |
| 12:51.01 | funky | mm |
| 12:51.06 | funky | wait |
| 12:51.12 | Filip_ | xored: what are you trying to find out? which process consumes all your memory? |
| 12:51.13 | xingu | xored: try ps -eo vsz= -o args= | sort -rn |
| 12:51.24 | xored | Filip_: yes |
| 12:51.45 | xored | xingu: spamd is the most eating one |
| 12:52.04 | xored | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/473791 |
| 12:52.08 | xored | xingu: what do you think ? |
| 12:52.20 | xored | xingu: apache / mysql / FTP are down at the moment.. |
| 12:52.41 | funky | alias memoria="ps aux | awk '{print \$6\" \"\$11}' |sort -r -g | awk '{print \$2\" -----> \"\$1/1024\" Mb\"}' |egrep -v \"^\[|^COMMAND\"" |
| 12:52.43 | xingu | xored: nothing to worry about there. |
| 12:52.45 | funky | then type memoria |
| 12:52.56 | funky | I dont know why it doesnt work directly from cli |
| 12:52.59 | funky | im gonna check |
| 12:53.00 | Filip_ | xored: why? is your OS constantly swapping? |
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| 12:53.12 | xored | Filip_: no its crashing..out of memory |
| 12:53.26 | xored | xingu: i have lowered MaxClient of apache form 300 to 50 |
| 12:53.36 | xingu | xored: if you want to reset your swapped column back to 0 just swapoff -a; swapon -a |
| 12:53.45 | xored | xingu: as ~400MB are left fot the apache prozess how i can see |
| 12:54.02 | Filip_ | xored: wow. this is beyond me, but you do have enough swap allocated? |
| 12:54.15 | xored | xingu: do you think its clever to get more swpa ? have 2GB right now, 1GB of rom |
| 12:54.26 | bwlang | should sums of subset of some memory listed in /proc/meminfo add up to the total used memory? |
| 12:54.34 | xored | Filip_: 1GB ram, 2GB swap |
| 12:54.40 | xingu | xored: nope, sounds about right |
| 12:54.56 | Filip_ | xored: well, that sound like more then enough. you're running some heavy-duty server? |
| 12:54.56 | xored | yeah thats normal for what i know , swap = 2x ram |
| 12:55.08 | xored | Filip_: not for "REAL" server admins |
| 12:55.19 | Filip_ | xored: haha, same here |
| 12:55.19 | xored | Filip_: maybe arround 200GB traffic a month |
| 12:55.33 | bwlang | see: http://www.pastebin.ca/473794 for details |
| 12:55.38 | xored | Filip_: but "heavy point loading, weekends" |
| 12:55.57 | bwlang | i think i'm leaking a bunch of ram but i can't tell where it's going |
| 12:56.00 | xored | arround half a million pictures to watch.. |
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| 12:57.16 | Filip_ | xored: did you check your mem for hardware failures? From what I know (not much), the "swap equals twice ram" rule doesn't really count beyond the gigabytes. |
| 12:57.17 | DawnLight | what exactly is a memory leak? |
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| 12:57.38 | xored | DawnLight: programms which allocated memorey, but never freeing |
| 12:57.50 | xored | ( even if they are not using ) cheers to c++ :) |
| 12:57.52 | Filip_ | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_leak |
| 12:58.02 | Althaser | can you tell me if geforce6 supports 9755 nvidia driver ? |
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| 12:58.25 | bwlang | i think thhat's what's happening to me... i just have to figure out what's leaking |
| 12:58.26 | Filip_ | bye all, thanks |
| 12:58.27 | RainbowW | okay, so when I try to start Azureus, it seems to start the JRE (Sun one). Then it sucks CPU for about 20 seconds and then the thread dies. No erorr, nothing on the screen, nothing nowhere nada. It did this under the GNU JRE as well. Where do I start? |
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| 12:59.46 | xingu | xored: I'd wager your box is already back under control and that the only reason your swapped column is nonzero is that things have been swapped out while it was under stress |
| 13:00.04 | xingu | xopher: if rezeroing that is important for diagnosis, as I said, just swapoff -a; swapon -a |
| 13:00.20 | DawnLight | cool. so if i suddenly catch my memory filling up for no good reason, thats one of the things to look for? |
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| 13:00.28 | xored | xingu: as i did a hard reboot, there have not been any stress time yet ! |
| 13:00.48 | xingu | xored: ok, so what does vmstat's swpd column say? |
| 13:01.00 | xored | sec |
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| 13:01.06 | vinicius | My souns doesn't loads automatically at startup. What do I need to do? |
| 13:01.17 | xored | 1 0 0 304468 29828 496424 0 0 451 235 1129 295 10 2 85 3 |
| 13:01.21 | dvs | vinicius: put the sound modules in your /etc/modules file |
| 13:01.22 | xored | xingu: sorry, |
| 13:01.42 | xored | xingu: procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- |
| 13:01.42 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.42 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.43 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.52 | RainbowW | doh! |
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| 13:02.01 | xored | sorry |
| 13:02.02 | xingu | xored: swapd=0, no issue currently; keep an eye on top ([O]rder by [q]VSS) |
| 13:02.07 | xored | really sorry...my wrong..wron paste |
| 13:02.10 | xored | http://pastebin.ca/473806 |
| 13:02.27 | xored | xingu: ok |
| 13:02.38 | xingu | xored: wait for the problem to re-appear; note what processes are above vss-at-coldstart at that point |
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| 13:03.33 | xingu | xored: if keeping an eye on top isn't an option you need to instead collect ps -eo vss= -o pid= -o args= |
| 13:03.43 | xored | xingu: iam having trouble to set up vsftpd...he is not authing me right |
| 13:03.46 | xingu | xored: ie every 5min or so up to the point of impact. |
| 13:03.53 | vinicius | dvs: theres only one line --> "loop", in this file... |
| 13:04.01 | xored | xingu: hmm there was a command for that |
| 13:04.07 | vinicius | dvs: which line do I need to add? |
| 13:04.19 | dvs | vinicius: is your sound working now? |
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| 13:04.38 | vinicius | dvs: yes, because I runned alsaconf |
| 13:04.51 | dvs | vinicius: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 13:05.15 | dvs | vinicius: just the ones with 0 on the end |
| 13:05.35 | xingu | [O]rder by [q]RES rather |
| 13:06.19 | vinicius | dvs: like this: "snd_pcm_oss" ? and only like this? |
| 13:06.38 | dvs | vinicius: yes (I'm sure there is at least one other) |
| 13:06.53 | xored | xingu: thank you for all your help ! |
| 13:07.01 | vinicius | dvs: no problem, there's 4 of them... |
| 13:07.02 | xored | xingu: i will wait for things reapear. |
| 13:07.14 | vinicius | dvs: i'll include all |
| 13:07.44 | vinicius | dvs: thanks =) |
| 13:07.50 | dvs | vinicius: no prob |
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| 13:07.57 | vinicius | dvs: restarting... |
| 13:08.29 | xingu | hmm |
| 13:09.09 | funky | is there a way to know if a package was installed as dep of another one? |
| 13:09.43 | funky | aptitude mark those packages as A (automatic), right? |
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| 13:14.01 | roxy_ | is there a way to get unicode or iso-8859-1 with xfig ? |
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| 13:22.02 | Rebecca | hey peoples? anyone know of a nice cheap usb wifi module that plays with deb with minimal fuss? |
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| 13:22.08 | JosefAssad | em, what else do I need to do to get gtk file slectors in openoffice.org other than installing openoffice.org-gtk and -gtk-gnome ? |
| 13:22.31 | cahoot | Rebecca: I can only vouch for 3coms 3crusb10075 |
| 13:22.52 | Rebecca | cahoot: do you know what model it is marketed as? |
| 13:23.04 | cahoot | Rebecca: uses a module provided by kernels 2.6.19 and later |
| 13:23.19 | abrotman | .18 you mean ? |
| 13:23.19 | Rebecca | cahoot: okay :) |
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| 13:23.29 | Rebecca | oh, hey again abrotman :) |
| 13:23.32 | cahoot | abrotman: do I? |
| 13:23.39 | abrotman | cahoot: for etch ? |
| 13:23.53 | abrotman | Rebecca: hi |
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| 13:24.50 | RainbowW | bah. is ktorrent just a buggy piece of crap? it crashed on me a couple hours ago and now when i try to load it, it sucks all available memory and cpu and drives the cpu load to over 200 (when i finally get it killed) ... |
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| 13:26.39 | Rebecca | RainbowW: yeah, does that to me every now and then.. i just apt remove it, delete /home/rebecca/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent/ then reinstall :) |
| 13:26.45 | Rebecca | lol |
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| 13:27.14 | RainbowW | Rebecca, yeah, uh, kinda the brute force method i was hoping to avoid, ya know? :-) |
| 13:27.33 | Rebecca | RainbowW: yeah, sorry :) |
| 13:28.35 | JosefAssad | RainbowW: rtorrent. Never look back. |
| 13:29.25 | RainbowW | Rebecca, move the tor* directories out of ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent, restart. all good. so one or more are corrupt. try one at a time and see which and preserve the rest of your downloads? |
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| 13:30.12 | Rebecca | RainbowW: ahhhh, cool |
| 13:30.13 | Enverex | Does Beryl work for KDE now? I thought it was Gnome only... |
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| 13:31.32 | RainbowW | Rebecca, of course when you have 30 incoming torrents ... :-) |
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| 13:32.46 | RainbowW | JosefAssad, if i wanted a curses client i'd use bittorrentncurses, eh? this is a remote box i control with vnc, not a local box where screen is somewhat less cumbersome. also, one of the users is cli-challenged, so a gui is required, despite my own capabilities. |
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| 13:33.50 | astronaute | is there a channel for vb please ? |
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| 13:34.38 | abrotman | maybe ask ##windows |
| 13:36.09 | JosefAssad | RainbowW: you sound like you'd be good and comfy with bitcomet |
| 13:37.30 | RainbowW | I'll remember to be snide the next time you have a problem. |
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| 13:38.04 | JosefAssad | RainbowW: It was a well intentioned suggestion. If you have taken offense, I apologize. |
| 13:38.15 | DavidProck1981 | is there any thing i need to pre install before i do the nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:38.53 | RainbowW | not a -bad- suggestion, merely, as i pointed out, inappropriate to the requirements of the situation. a gui client is required by the system's users, of which i am not the only one. |
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| 13:39.42 | DavidProck1981 | i just wound up redoing every thing tring to fix my beryl problem |
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| 13:41.00 | muh2000 | hi there |
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| 13:41.36 | muh2000 | i reconfigured a ftp server as inetd. do i have to remove the init scripts from /etc/rcX.d and /etc/init.d ? |
| 13:41.40 | RainbowW | cool, found it. (thank you Rebecca |
| 13:41.41 | RainbowW | ) |
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| 13:41.54 | Rebecca | RainbowW: found what? |
| 13:42.18 | RainbowW | Rebecca, the corrupt torrent. plus, there's even symlinks in there pointing to the real files in the receive directory so i know which torrent to re-download |
| 13:42.48 | JosefAssad | muh2000: can't see what harm cancome from keeping them, but you might want to disable it in /etc/rcX.d and /etc/init.d though |
| 13:42.48 | Rebecca | RainbowW: corrupt one found with trial and error? |
| 13:42.50 | RainbowW | dmb2002-12-16.akg481.shnf :) |
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| 13:43.20 | JosefAssad | muh2000: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d is your friend |
| 13:43.55 | RainbowW | Rebecca, yes. just move the tor* directories back into place one (or a few) at a time, start ktorrent. if it comes up, it's not one of the ones you just moved. when it crashes, you've found your bad one. i had 14 torrents in ~/.kde/share/apps/ktorrent, only one of which was causing ktorrent to go insane |
| 13:44.09 | RainbowW | (of course, the last one) |
| 13:44.17 | muh2000 | JosefAssad thank you :) |
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| 13:44.35 | Rebecca | RainbowW: ahhh. mine didn't crash like that.. it ran for hours sometimes without a problem.. so i was able to finish my downloads then restart it with my method |
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| 13:45.43 | RainbowW | Rebecca, ah see what's happening with mine is that it crashes for some reason, some kinda segfault, and then when i bring it back up, it chews up all available CPU and RAM, beats the crap out of the swapspace, ramps the cpu load upto about 200, and doesn't do anything else. kill -9 on the two processes shuts it down. |
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| 13:45.59 | DavidProck1981 | is any od the resourcefull people in here, dealing with nvidia |
| 13:46.02 | rexthedog | hi |
| 13:46.02 | Rebecca | RainbowW: lol |
| 13:46.16 | RainbowW | added bonus: i redownloaded the bad .torrent and it recovered the data, so just some aggrivation, but no data, lost :) |
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| 13:46.24 | Rebecca | RainbowW: well, glad you solved it. ill keep that in mind if mine goes into a similar state |
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| 13:46.56 | JosefAssad | muh2000: cheers |
| 13:47.25 | rexthedog | can anyone help me im trying to sync my server's home directories with my office's NAS, i wanted to do it with unison but i figured unison has to be installed on the client side too - my NAS is a thecus box, i cant install unison on it. anyone got another good solution? |
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| 13:57.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:57.39 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 13:58.21 | Alarm | hehe |
| 13:58.24 | nanomad | dpkg, ;) |
| 13:58.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ) is the smile part of a face. |
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| 13:58.42 | Zap-W | hey |
| 13:58.45 | nanomad | dpkg, welcome to linux |
| 13:58.53 | asg | nanomad: dpkg is our bot |
| 13:58.57 | nanomad | sry |
| 13:59.08 | chubaca | :p |
| 13:59.11 | Alarm | yours, not mine :) |
| 13:59.28 | nanomad | i was wondering about that name (it could have been a troll ;) ) |
| 13:59.31 | JosefAssad | eh, at least dosmode has the dir command... wake me up when linuxdos gets dir |
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| 14:00.02 | asg | JosefAssad: asg@grep:~$ whatis dir |
| 14:00.02 | asg | dir (1) - list directory contents |
| 14:00.08 | Alarm | at least dos didnt gave you like 10 prompts like windows does when u are about to delete a file. |
| 14:00.13 | nanomad | ubuntu has it (damned aliases) |
| 14:00.27 | nanomad | oh...it is not an alias! |
| 14:00.36 | asg | no, it's in /bin |
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| 14:00.51 | JosefAssad | yeah, shuttleworth licenses even MS' dir command |
| 14:00.55 | Alarm | a delete on windows: are you sure you want to delete this file , yes/no . Press yes. Windows: But are you really sure? yes/no . Windows: May i ask your parents to delete this file? : yes/no |
| 14:01.04 | JosefAssad | (asbestos underpants are great) |
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| 14:03.04 | PingFloyd | will you please sign some forms: yes/no |
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| 14:04.31 | eMish | Can I use multiverse and universe repos with etch ? |
| 14:04.37 | jetscreamer | Alarm: it never asks me that :p edit ~/.bashrc maybe .. or was it .bash_profile |
| 14:04.53 | jetscreamer | eMish: sure if you want to trash your debian install |
| 14:04.54 | liable | eMish: no |
| 14:04.56 | PingFloyd | eMish: I wouldn't |
| 14:05.01 | jetscreamer | !tell eMish -about marillat |
| 14:05.14 | jetscreamer | eMish: you want contrib non-free i think |
| 14:05.17 | PingFloyd | their dependencies may be a lot different |
| 14:05.33 | jetscreamer | PingFloyd: they are.. i tried it once a while ago :) |
| 14:05.43 | jetscreamer | started to remove * or something |
| 14:05.53 | jetscreamer | s/started/wanted/ |
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| 14:06.51 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 14:06.53 | debian-gentoo | um some files are stuck as -rw-------- and i need them to be -rw-rw-rw- |
| 14:06.55 | snowchyld | ;) |
| 14:06.57 | kth` | lenny update: Does gnome-themes-extras replace gtk2-engines-spherecrystal or something? Why am I getting conflicts |
| 14:07.05 | PingFloyd | eMish: like mentioned, contrib and non-free will probably cover you, and whatever those don't cover usually debian-multimedia.org does |
| 14:07.06 | debian-gentoo | how do i do this |
| 14:07.08 | snowchyld | I'm looking to throttle connections to a port at nkb/s |
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| 14:07.29 | snowchyld | any suggestions for this on debian ? |
| 14:07.42 | eMish | Can i install the real firefox ? iceveasell is somehow not the latest. |
| 14:07.43 | asg | debian-gentoo: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 14:08.13 | asg | eMish: download the binaries from mozilla, install in /opt |
| 14:08.18 | jetscreamer | asg is one of the smart ones |
| 14:08.21 | JosefAssad | snowchyld: squid? |
| 14:08.23 | jetscreamer | smarter |
| 14:08.25 | PingFloyd | debian-gentoo: chmod 666 |
| 14:08.42 | asg | PingFloyd: the number of the beast is rarely, if ever, the permissions one needs |
| 14:08.47 | jetscreamer | eMish: yeah just go to mozilla.com |
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| 14:08.53 | snowchyld | squid for normal tcp connections ? |
| 14:08.56 | PingFloyd | asg: I know, but he asked |
| 14:08.58 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 14:09.06 | asg | PingFloyd: and it is up to use to educate him |
| 14:09.27 | debian-gentoo | that worked thanks |
| 14:09.29 | asg | PingFloyd: besides, he has yet to explain what 'stuck as -rw-------' means |
| 14:10.08 | JosefAssad | snowchyld: tc worth a look too |
| 14:10.16 | snowchyld | looking at tc at the moment |
| 14:10.23 | jetscreamer | asg: you might find snowchyld's question a nice excercise |
| 14:10.33 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 14:13.35 | liable | what month is debconf7? |
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| 14:16.01 | asg | liable: June |
| 14:16.37 | liable | bugger |
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| 14:17.09 | asg | liable: yeah, I'll be in the UK a month after |
| 14:17.14 | liable | heading over there, was hoping it would (by coincedence) be at the same time |
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| 14:17.27 | liable | asg: going in oct myself |
| 14:17.41 | asg | liable: July here and Spain for a few weeks after that |
| 14:18.07 | liable | asg: holiday? running with the bulls? :) |
| 14:18.24 | asg | liable: holiday pub crawl |
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| 14:18.57 | liable | lucky you |
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| 14:19.15 | asg | liable: haven't had a proper holiday in 7 years or so; this one is most welcome |
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| 14:20.46 | liable | asg: me too actually. i am going for work, but i might try and hit europe after or just tool around scotland for a week |
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| 14:21.03 | asg | liable: sounds like fun |
| 14:21.20 | liable | just hope its not to fucking cold then |
| 14:21.27 | torrr | does anyone know if the usb2parallel port works in linux? |
| 14:21.38 | asg | liable: it'll be cold but shouldn't be too bad |
| 14:22.07 | yalc1n | selam, TĆ¼rkƧe yardım alabileceÄim birisi var mı? |
| 14:22.16 | liable | asg: warm in the pubs anyway i guess :) |
| 14:22.22 | asg | liable: indeed :) |
| 14:22.34 | asg | !tell yalc1n about tr |
| 14:22.40 | jetscreamer | !tr |
| 14:22.40 | dpkg | i guess tr is türkēe yardIm iēin #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 14:23.28 | snowchyld | this tc documentation is pretty sparse jet ;) |
| 14:23.31 | eMish | Where can I get beryl pkg for etch ? |
| 14:23.32 | liable | jetscreamer: we take this into account :) |
| 14:23.33 | JosefAssad | how can you be called jetscreamer and be slow? I demand you hand in that nick |
| 14:23.34 | yalc1n | i'm not known eng. |
| 14:23.35 | torrr | I have a dongle and I wonder if it works |
| 14:23.51 | jetscreamer | JosefAssad: because i'm married to judy |
| 14:24.10 | JosefAssad | jetscreamer: this is a meritocracy. Who you know will get you nowhere, sir! |
| 14:24.17 | liable | does that clarify it to anyone else? |
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| 14:28.28 | snowchyld | I'm looking to throttle all connections to a port at say 16 kb/s, how would one do this with tc |
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| 14:28.35 | jetscreamer | !traffic shaping |
| 14:28.35 | dpkg | i guess traffic shaping is a method of controlling the rate of traffic over a specific interface acording to a set of rules. see http://lartc.org/ for information on traffic shaping and advanced routing controls in linux. |
| 14:28.43 | XLV | JosefAssad, not the french i am sure |
| 14:29.09 | snowchyld | i was just lart'd on that ;) |
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| 14:31.27 | yalc1n | hi again, irc.oftc.net and irc.debian.org not debian-tr room |
| 14:31.47 | RichiH | yalc1n: irc.freenode.net |
| 14:31.52 | RichiH | yalc1n: which is here |
| 14:31.54 | RichiH | !tr |
| 14:31.54 | dpkg | it has been said that tr is türkēe yardIm iēin #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 14:32.00 | RichiH | oh |
| 14:32.00 | JosefAssad | this is reminding me of those remarkable Turkish batman and star trek ripoff movies from the 70s |
| 14:32.02 | RichiH | hmm |
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| 14:32.28 | jetscreamer | /join #debian-tr |
| 14:32.40 | RichiH | yalc1n: ustunozgur is in #debian-tr on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:32.48 | RichiH | jetscreamer: seems to one we have here is empty |
| 14:32.52 | jetscreamer | yep |
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| 14:33.05 | jetscreamer | /join #debian.tr |
| 14:33.06 | ustunozgur | I can help him. |
| 14:33.10 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:33.26 | yalc1n | / |
| 14:33.40 | jetscreamer | man... no tr |
| 14:33.53 | ustunozgur | yalcin, girsene debian-tr'ye. I am telling him to enter #debian-tr |
| 14:34.09 | asg | ustunozgur: #debian.tr |
| 14:34.12 | yalc1n | ƶyle bir kanal bulamadım |
| 14:34.14 | Toast | Hi, can anyone recommend a command or some reading material to help me forward requests to one port on one of my network cards to the other please? |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | Toast: /msg dpkg iptables |
| 14:34.37 | jetscreamer | asg: empty channels |
| 14:34.38 | ustunozgur | he can't find the channel because probably his irc client does not list channels with less than 5 users. |
| 14:34.50 | jetscreamer | they're empty on freenode |
| 14:34.51 | ustunozgur | yalcin ozel mesaj attım baksana |
| 14:34.53 | asg | jetscreamer: we can see if tarzeau is around |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | it's #debian.tr |
| 14:34.55 | Toast | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:34.56 | abrotman | not -tr |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | and there is only 2 users there currently |
| 14:35.18 | JosefAssad | maybe #ubuntu-tr makes more sense? |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:35.36 | jetscreamer | wtf?? You have been kicked from #debian.tr by ChanServ (You are not permitted to be on this channel.) |
| 14:35.39 | jetscreamer | oftc though |
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| 14:35.55 | JosefAssad | 1. might be more users 2. If he can't work out how to find an irc channel, then possibly ubuntu might be a gentler introduction |
| 14:36.15 | abrotman | or .. not |
| 14:36.18 | ustunozgur | I am on #debian.tr, #debian-tr on FreeNode, and on #debian-tr on OFTC. |
| 14:36.26 | thomas_ | does debian by default put its kernel sources somewhere? |
| 14:36.29 | jetscreamer | there doesn't seem to be any ppl in the channels |
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| 14:36.38 | abrotman | thomas_: if you install the package |
| 14:36.42 | asg | jetscreamer: the turks are out doing other things |
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| 14:36.52 | jetscreamer | thomas_: for stock kernels, apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 14:37.47 | thomas_ | etch installed 2.6.18-4-k7 kernel here |
| 14:38.02 | thomas_ | is it okay to download headers from 2.6.18? |
| 14:38.26 | jetscreamer | thomas_: paste what i typed and it will work out |
| 14:38.42 | jetscreamer | or change apt-get to aptitude |
| 14:38.54 | thomas_ | jetstreamer - ah i just see they are already here |
| 14:38.57 | jetscreamer | thomas_: note it's a ` not ' |
| 14:39.05 | thomas_ | but in the directory i cant find a file i need to patch |
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| 14:39.47 | jetscreamer | thomas_: note there are 2 /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18* |
| 14:40.03 | thomas_ | yes, -4 and -4-k7 |
| 14:40.10 | jetscreamer | one is a base that doesn't seem to change, and the -k7 which is proc specific |
| 14:40.12 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
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| 14:40.19 | thomas_ | ah - k7 means athlon xp? |
| 14:40.28 | jetscreamer | try telling 'it' the -k7 one.. yes it does |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | thomas_: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 14:41.04 | thomas_ | abrotman: there's a diff-patch i've got to apply to a tv-card driver source-file |
| 14:41.12 | jetscreamer | for instance, i used to have to pass =/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think he wants the actual source .. not the headers |
| 14:41.26 | thomas_ | yes |
| 14:41.30 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:41.48 | jetscreamer | the source is linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 14:42.09 | jetscreamer | but i think it will be clean |
| 14:42.15 | jetscreamer | as in make clean |
| 14:42.49 | thomas_ | hm - i hope there is a way to "re-apply" all the specific patches |
| 14:43.02 | jetscreamer | they are already |
| 14:43.09 | jetscreamer | if you mean the debian patches |
| 14:43.18 | thomas_ | ah ok |
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| 14:43.30 | thomas_ | name sounded like vanilla-kernel to me |
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| 14:44.40 | thomas_ | ah i see - there's linux-tree which does that |
| 14:44.44 | thomas_ | right? |
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| 14:45.22 | davidprock1981 | well now im stuck on windows, can any one tell me how todo the nvidia one-liner how to get it working |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:45.42 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 14:45.45 | Nyle | la de friggin da |
| 14:45.49 | Nyle | im going shoppin! |
| 14:45.58 | thomas_ | on sunday? |
| 14:46.02 | davidprock1981 | did that now i can get the xerver going |
| 14:46.17 | Nyle | i have to take me sis und me niece to buy some shoes |
| 14:46.28 | Nyle | feel free to feel sorry for me |
| 14:46.29 | Nyle | :/ |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:46.53 | abrotman | better |
| 14:47.04 | davidprock1981 | how can i come in her with out a GUI |
| 14:47.15 | Enverex | ... |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | davidprock1981: aptitude install irssi-text |
| 14:47.22 | jetscreamer | Nyle: there is a stone on the other debian |
| 14:47.33 | Enverex | abrotman, Read what Nyle said then read what davidprock1981 said... |
| 14:47.38 | JosefAssad | heh... that looked funny, davidprock1981 |
| 14:47.49 | abrotman | Enverex: i can't see what nyle says |
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| 14:48.09 | Enverex | abrotman, "<Nyle> i have to take me sis und me niece to buy some shoes" "<davidprock1981> how can i come in her with out a GUI" |
| 14:48.16 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:48.48 | davidprock1981 | OMG i just cought that lol |
| 14:49.08 | HymnToLife | who puts it on bash ? |
| 14:49.10 | davidprock1981 | "come in her" |
| 14:49.11 | JosefAssad | the correct response would be that old joke about "mount, fsck, fsck, unmount" and so on, I think |
| 14:49.55 | HymnToLife | JosefAssad, yep, there's a bit of touch, finger and sleep involved too, IIRC |
| 14:50.04 | JosefAssad | Wow, now that that old joke has found a home I think the internet will shut down |
| 14:50.16 | jetscreamer | i always thought that was kinda lame |
| 14:50.22 | erore | I have standard umask 022 the file I create if I log under root get correct permissions. But if the file is created by process than is run by root, they get 600 instead of 644. Why? |
| 14:50.24 | jetscreamer | the joke |
| 14:51.03 | JosefAssad | erore: where do you define umask? systemwide or per user? |
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| 14:51.11 | thomas_ | ok - i downloaded the kernel-source with synaptic - where did it put the tarball? |
| 14:51.11 | eMish | Does this work for debian 4 what's written here ?:http://www.debianadmin.com/adding-ubuntu-repositories.htmlprint/ ? |
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| 14:52.24 | abrotman | eMish: ask #ubuntu .. not us |
| 14:52.48 | abrotman | eMish: mixing distros is discouraged and a good way to screw up your box |
| 14:52.48 | eMish | i thought debianadmin.com is .... debian's site |
| 14:53.13 | JosefAssad | eMish: the guy who wrote that article... see that head on a pike over there? |
| 14:53.14 | abrotman | ah .. no |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | http://debian-administration.org/ |
| 14:53.33 | davidprock1981 | if i do a fresh install of debian, Before i do any thing else is there any one that is 100% sure they can Guide me, to get me using the Nvidia driver with 3D acelleration, If i follow step by step |
| 14:54.00 | thomas_ | abrotman: you know where the packetmanager puts the kernel-source? it's not in /usr/src |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | darn well should be |
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| 14:54.14 | thomas_ | uh |
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| 14:55.05 | thomas_ | ah |
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| 14:55.34 | erore | JosefAssad: suppose it is system wide, i never changed it actually |
| 14:55.39 | jetscreamer | thomas_: if you apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 , it will d/l a .bz2 to /usr/src that you need to tar xvjf |
| 14:56.05 | rexthedog | can anyone help me, i want to sync to boxes, my office's NAS (that has an embedded linux, cant install anything) and a debian-server |
| 14:56.05 | rexthedog | on the net, i want to sync my server's user homedirs so i can put files on the NAS for them and they get synced automatically with the server's and vice versa. |
| 14:56.13 | thomas_ | jetstreamer: i found it - autorefresh didn't work somehow |
| 14:56.15 | JosefAssad | erore: which process creates those files which are not obeying your umask, and what user is it running as? |
| 14:56.43 | erore | JosefAssad: it is kerio mailserver running under root |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | rexthedog: rsync |
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| 14:58.02 | rexthedog | albrotman: wont i have problems with permissions? i dont have the users on the NAS system... |
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| 14:58.23 | JosefAssad | erore: maybe it is overriding the umask. As root, it certainly can |
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| 14:59.21 | thomas_ | unpack, copy the .config from /usr/src/linux to it, apply my patch and do make-kpkg - is that the right way? |
| 14:59.24 | JosefAssad | erore: a umask of 600 makes me suspect this might be true actually. |
| 14:59.26 | cusco | dudes |
| 14:59.35 | cusco | any of you in the uk, using iceweasel? |
| 14:59.50 | cusco | the google search box |
| 14:59.59 | sanelson | yes..... |
| 15:00.06 | cusco | doesn't return you the google results page witha extra vertical bar on the left? |
| 15:00.09 | tkr | thomas_, you have to make menuconfig or something equivalent to make the config in effect |
| 15:00.28 | cusco | let me show you a image |
| 15:00.35 | rgsteele | tkr: No, make oldconfig |
| 15:00.53 | sanelson | looks normal to me |
| 15:00.54 | JosefAssad | thomas_: to use an old .config I would make menuconfig and then from inside that load the relevant .config file. Then make-kpkg |
| 15:00.56 | thomas_ | doesn't make menuconfig automatically use a .config if it is present? |
| 15:01.09 | thomas_ | ok |
| 15:01.13 | rgsteele | thomas_: Do a 'make oldconfig', then a 'make menuconfig' if you want to tweak things, then 'make-kpkg kernel_image --append-to-version=-custom' |
| 15:01.13 | cusco | sanelson: like http://i18.tinypic.com/6bo1h90.png |
| 15:01.25 | cusco | see the bar on the left? |
| 15:01.32 | rgsteele | thomas_: Well, is the .config you're using from an older kernel version? |
| 15:01.33 | jetscreamer | lets not forget initrd |
| 15:01.35 | sanelson | does debian have a position on the /etc/net project? |
| 15:01.36 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 15:01.36 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 15:01.51 | rgsteele | thomas_: If the kernel is the same version, then 'make oldconfig' is pointless. |
| 15:01.59 | jetscreamer | !tell root__ -about root |
| 15:02.00 | thomas_ | resteele: it's the default from the initial debian installation i did yesterday |
| 15:02.01 | erore | JosefAssad: any way around? something like setting umask on a directory (something like sguid on a directory) |
| 15:02.05 | thomas_ | ok |
| 15:02.25 | jetscreamer | thomas_: if there is no .config it will use the running config |
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| 15:02.34 | sanelson | cusco: no, i don't get that behaviour |
| 15:02.35 | jetscreamer | as in /boot/config-whatever |
| 15:02.39 | JosefAssad | erore: Can't think of anything off the top of my head. What files is kerio setting as 600? |
| 15:02.43 | rgsteele | jetscreamer: Really? Never knew that. |
| 15:02.44 | jetscreamer | as a default |
| 15:02.54 | jetscreamer | yeah it sucks it in somehow |
| 15:03.08 | cusco | :( |
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| 15:03.13 | thomas_ | there was an option in the kernel i can remember that reads the current .config from somewhere hehe |
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| 15:03.37 | JosefAssad | thomas_: make menuconfig and it's one of the last options in the front menu |
| 15:03.41 | rgsteele | thomas_: I always copy a .config into the kernel source tree |
| 15:03.52 | rgsteele | Just force of habit. |
| 15:04.03 | nnacht | Hey, I have a question about C programming: what exactly does the code "#if 0 .... #endif" mean? |
| 15:04.17 | JosefAssad | rgsteele: Lucky man. I have a force of habit too, but it is a force of habit of losing my .config files |
| 15:04.24 | erore | JosefAssad: these are backup file, compressed messages... I need to downlooad them through ftp to the raid array that is backed up regularly but I do not want to login via ftp as a root |
| 15:04.27 | jetscreamer | if 0 is true then jump to the endif tag i think |
| 15:04.32 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 15:04.41 | rgsteele | thomas_: And, like jetscreamer said, you probably want to use the --initrd option, especially if you're using multi-disk partitions. |
| 15:04.56 | jetscreamer | that or make sure all you need is compiled in |
| 15:05.00 | rgsteele | JosefAssad: Heh, yeah that's not the most beneficial habit :) |
| 15:05.04 | jetscreamer | Y not M |
| 15:05.09 | thomas_ | what's with the "-4-k7" part of the 2.6.18 uname tells me... does this refer to special patches which are not included in kernel-sources-2.6.8? or is it just an indication of machine is set to athlon xp? |
| 15:05.16 | JosefAssad | erore: I am probably giving you bad advice, but maybe a root cronjob can copy them somewhere for you for pickup with more accessible permissions |
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| 15:05.37 | Whamazoom | Hello |
| 15:05.41 | jetscreamer | thomas_: it's optimized for k7 proc (athlon) it's the 4 revision in the kernel series |
| 15:05.47 | jetscreamer | 4th |
| 15:05.56 | erore | JosefAssad: i've been thinking about this as well but hoped for a better solution :) thanks for help |
| 15:06.08 | thomas_ | how to include that? |
| 15:06.08 | JosefAssad | erore: cheers |
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| 15:06.20 | rgsteele | erore: Why not set up a special user with a public key and extremely restricted entry in the authorized_keys file? |
| 15:06.21 | nnacht | jetscreamer: it is something about conditional compilation, something like #ifndef..., but I do not know the exact meaning of "#if 0" |
| 15:06.22 | jetscreamer | thomas_: it's under cpu, but should be set already |
| 15:06.25 | jetscreamer | do check though |
| 15:06.37 | thomas_ | ok |
| 15:06.41 | Whamazoom | I am a "beginner" *Nix user, I am a windows user primarily..becuase it works all the time. Although I have played with ubuntu for a bit, and right now im installing FreeBSD...did I jump in too far? |
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| 15:07.02 | rgsteele | Well, this is #debian not #freebsd - we're biased :) |
| 15:07.11 | mezoko | Hi |
| 15:07.15 | nnacht | Whamzoom: it depends what do u need with freebsd |
| 15:07.46 | Whamazoom | I understand that, but for a beginner, using Windows alternatives...is FreeBSD daunting compared to debian? |
| 15:07.46 | JosefAssad | Whamazoom: my subjective opinion based on very little input, yes :) |
| 15:07.51 | mezoko | I'm using the vesa driver with xorg, and I set the screen res to 1024x768 and 800x600 and xorg still decides to use 600x400 (not in my configuration file), how could I go about solving this problem? |
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| 15:08.01 | jetscreamer | don't use the vesa |
| 15:08.19 | rgsteele | Whamazoom: Debian's package management is top-notch - I think it's great for beginners. |
| 15:08.28 | Whamazoom | I was really impressed with Xubuntu...but I was told to not install it because of all the "junk" in ubuntu |
| 15:08.29 | mezoko | jetscreamer, I dunno off another driver that works though |
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| 15:08.33 | jetscreamer | it's under Processor type and features ---> |
| 15:08.44 | mezoko | the s3vgeI(w/e) doesn't work |
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| 15:08.49 | thomas_ | can i remove the symlink from linux pointing to the kernel-headers and set it to kernel-source in running system? |
| 15:08.50 | jetscreamer | mezoko: what chipset? dmesg |grep VGA |
| 15:09.14 | jetscreamer | the what? |
| 15:09.15 | asg | Whamazoom: if xubuntu works for you, use it until you understand why/if you should choose something different. |
| 15:09.18 | xand | thomas_: you could, but why would you? |
| 15:09.19 | Dremth | Is there a way to make a custom right click menu item that runs a command when I right click on any folder icon or an empty folder space? |
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| 15:09.31 | xand | Dremth: using what? |
| 15:09.40 | mezoko | jetscreamer, it deson't say anything, but Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 |
| 15:09.53 | Dremth | xand, gnome |
| 15:10.00 | thomas_ | xand: i don't know... maybe installation point to /usr/src/linux and don't use uname to get the installed kernel |
| 15:10.05 | jetscreamer | thomas_: linux-headers should be all you need to compile against, the source is after you build a custom |
| 15:10.24 | jetscreamer | and there is no /usr/src/linux unless you made one |
| 15:10.35 | thomas_ | really? oh |
| 15:10.42 | jetscreamer | mezoko: omg i dunno.. also try asking in #xorg though |
| 15:10.50 | xand | thomas_: yes, they're not the same thing |
| 15:10.58 | haxality | hello, I'm having an odd problem with mplayer |
| 15:11.06 | jetscreamer | #mplayer |
| 15:11.08 | haxality | when I watch videos fullscreen, I only get a small box in the middle of my monitor |
| 15:11.11 | haxality | ok.. |
| 15:11.25 | mezoko | jetscreamer, ok, thanks |
| 15:11.44 | jetscreamer | haxality: i meant 'also' ask in there |
| 15:11.47 | abrotman | Dremth: might have more luck on #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:11.52 | dduong | Whamazoom: I use to be in your shoes. For me, how I understood linux/Unix was to install something that you feel comfortable with. I jumped from Redhat, Mandrake (aka Mandriva), Suse, but the one I feel comfortable with was Debian/Ubuntu. So just play with any distro that you like and stick with what _you_ like :) |
| 15:11.57 | xand | abortman! |
| 15:12.01 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:12.02 | JosefAssad | haxality: try mplayer -vo xv file.avi |
| 15:12.06 | Dremth | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:12.17 | JosefAssad | or s/xv/x11/ |
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| 15:12.49 | thomas_ | hm make menuconfig doesn't find curses.h |
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| 15:13.10 | haxality | hno good JosefAssad, it won't even play now |
| 15:13.11 | cusco | thomas_: install the ncurses-dev |
| 15:13.18 | cusco | or something named like that |
| 15:13.32 | Zap-W | "version a has bad syntax: version string has embedded spaces" |
| 15:13.36 | Zap-W | what is this |
| 15:13.52 | mezoko | I have a S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D what drive can I possibly try for xorg? |
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| 15:14.08 | torrr | My mobo don't have a parallel port ?! anyone knows how to add a parallel port in linux? |
| 15:14.26 | dduong | *Whamazoom* That's perfect :) If you felt comfortable with Debian, then stick with Debian until you fully understand how Linux works, then you can either stick with it or go somewhere else :) |
| 15:14.28 | gravity | mezoko: Most likely s3 |
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| 15:14.33 | gravity | mezoko: let me check that... |
| 15:14.33 | jetscreamer | torrr: with a soldering iron? |
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| 15:14.38 | JosefAssad | heh |
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| 15:14.44 | jetscreamer | mezoko: do whatever gravity says |
| 15:15.01 | mezoko | what is gravity? |
| 15:15.04 | haxality | just out of curiosity, could it be that the mplayer package I have installed doesn't support multiple fullscreen resolutions? |
| 15:15.10 | jetscreamer | the guy who can help you, mezoko |
| 15:15.10 | gravity | mezoko: Yeah, it looks like the s3 driver works with the Trio64 |
| 15:15.12 | thomas_ | cusco: thx. worked |
| 15:15.12 | torrr | jetscreamer, that won't work, but thanks |
| 15:15.24 | JosefAssad | haxality: unlikely. Try mplayer -vo x11 file.avi |
| 15:15.42 | mezoko | oh, lol :P |
| 15:15.44 | jetscreamer | torrr: linux didn't detect one, or your motherboard doesn't have one... the sell addin pci cards for that |
| 15:15.53 | dduong | Whamazoom: Your welcome :) |
| 15:15.53 | jetscreamer | they sell |
| 15:15.55 | Zap-W | hey is anyone using debian 4.0 is a production environment? |
| 15:16.02 | mezoko | gravity, ok, do you know what package I might have to install for the s3 driver? |
| 15:16.03 | torrr | jetscreamer, there isn't in the mobo |
| 15:16.05 | haxality | JosefAssad: it works when I do -zoom |
| 15:16.12 | gravity | mezoko: xorg |
| 15:16.15 | JosefAssad | wtf does -zoom do |
| 15:16.17 | XLV | torrr, http://www.epapersign.com/lpt2usb/?gclid=CNDK1qvq-YsCFRWOEgodzkShbQ but if plan on connecting some weird device (hasp etc ) it might not work even in windows |
| 15:16.41 | haxality | it zooms it. |
| 15:16.42 | jetscreamer | torrr: you can go to best buy or whatever and buy an addin card for it |
| 15:16.43 | torrr | XLV - I need a software plug |
| 15:16.45 | haxality | it's unbearably slow though |
| 15:17.04 | mezoko | gravity, no I meant the driver package, which it appears like its xserver-xorg-video-s3 |
| 15:17.05 | JosefAssad | haxality: use -fs not -zoom |
| 15:17.08 | torrr | jetscreamer, the problem is that i don't know if they heave linux driver |
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| 15:17.16 | mezoko | but there's a s3virage one and thats why I asked |
| 15:17.16 | gravity | mezoko: That's the one, although xorg will pull that in |
| 15:17.19 | JosefAssad | haxality: mplayer -fs foo.avi |
| 15:17.31 | mezoko | gravity, hmm thats already installed |
| 15:17.40 | jetscreamer | torrr: do the research... it's not hard, i did it for my addin ide card.. it was printed on the package even |
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| 15:17.42 | mezoko | how to call the driver, I tried Driver "s3" |
| 15:17.45 | xand | torrr: parallel ports tend to "just work" |
| 15:17.57 | gravity | mezoko: I think that'sit |
| 15:18.02 | haxality | JosefAssad: gives me the same thing as if I pressed 'f' |
| 15:18.12 | JosefAssad | haxality: little box middle of screen? |
| 15:18.17 | torrr | xand, usb2parallel too? |
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| 15:18.23 | JosefAssad | haxality: well yeah, that is what -fs is |
| 15:18.24 | xand | torrr: maybe |
| 15:18.30 | gravity | mezoko: Did you actually look in the Xorg logfile? It might have a different error than what you're thinking |
| 15:18.31 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 15:18.38 | haxality | JosefAssad: my point is I still have the black box, heh |
| 15:18.40 | mezoko | gravity, well it says no screen found |
| 15:18.42 | jetscreamer | i have a usb to serial port adapter |
| 15:18.45 | mezoko | when I'm using the s3 driver |
| 15:18.52 | jetscreamer | so i'm pretty sure there is an lp one |
| 15:18.58 | JosefAssad | haxality: what card and x server? |
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| 15:19.11 | gravity | mezoko: There could be several different reasons for that |
| 15:19.13 | haxality | trident cyberblade XP xorg |
| 15:19.17 | mezoko | it also says No devices detectged |
| 15:19.21 | haxality | I assure you there are no good linux drivers |
| 15:19.23 | gravity | mezoko: can you post your logfile in a pastebin? Not in the channel. |
| 15:19.34 | haxality | I'm gonna try switching over to the trident driver real quick, see if I can get it working |
| 15:19.44 | JosefAssad | haxality: that could be the problem, but I'm out of my depth now |
| 15:19.56 | haxality | it's cool, I'm not stumped yet :) |
| 15:19.59 | haxality | I'll brb though |
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| 15:20.37 | mezoko | gravity, is there any easy way to do that from a terminal? |
| 15:21.26 | gravity | mezoko: Well, you could upload it to your web space somewhere by whatever method |
| 15:21.34 | gravity | mezoko: There's also text mode browsers like links |
| 15:21.43 | XLV | torrr, went there http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdevcat.php?id=15 and it shows one usb2par converter that seems to work http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=2709 |
| 15:21.45 | froze | Looking for the right place to ask questions ragarding Debians default MTA exim4, should I ask here or on some other channel? |
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| 15:21.51 | ma3x | !pnp |
| 15:21.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pnp is (Plug and Play) This is a standard that was supposed to make adding peripherals to your system as easy as plugging them in and using them. Its biggest contribution, causing headaches, is the removal of jumpers from many devices. or poke-and-play with linux. or plug-n-pray or Plug and get Phucked, but http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO.html, or a transistor type :) |
| 15:22.03 | mezoko | gravity, yeah I suppose I'll get off my lazy ass and connect this box to my nfs share, and put it on my webserver |
| 15:22.21 | ma3x | can I somehow disable pnp? |
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| 15:22.42 | xingu | oops |
| 15:22.52 | ma3x | go ahead xingu |
| 15:22.55 | cusco | ma3x: in the bios conf? |
| 15:23.03 | xingu | ... will get kvm-21+. :) |
| 15:23.08 | ma3x | cusco, its laptop, it doesnt have that option in the bios |
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| 15:23.55 | mezoko | gravity, http://mezoko.net/stuff/Xorg.0.log-debian-box |
| 15:24.14 | mezoko | gravity, I also tried the via driver jsut for the hell of it, so that probably the last xorg startup |
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| 15:24.22 | haxality | ok, I switched to the trident driver |
| 15:24.32 | haxality | and I got mplayer working, relatively well, better than before |
| 15:24.37 | gravity | mezoko: Yeah, that's the log with the via driver, which isn't useful. |
| 15:24.44 | gravity | mezoko: I need to see the one with the s3 driver |
| 15:24.45 | haxality | but how can I set up totem, xine, etc, to function |
| 15:24.49 | XLV | torrr, http://www.inland-products.com/singleproduct.asp?search=usb&partnum=08305 |
| 15:25.05 | jetscreamer | xine-check |
| 15:25.33 | mezoko | gravity, refresh the log file, I overwrote it |
| 15:26.00 | haxality | xine-check: command not found |
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| 15:26.04 | gravity | mezoko: Ok, got it |
| 15:26.09 | mezoko | ;) |
| 15:27.16 | mezoko | gravity, the s3virge driver works, but it makes all these lines go down the screen until the DE is loaded up |
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| 15:27.19 | mezoko | which is probably not very good |
| 15:27.20 | haxality | couldn't I just remove totem and use mplayer exclusively? |
| 15:27.24 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 15:27.24 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 15:27.40 | haxality | oh wow, and VLC has no problem |
| 15:27.43 | haxality | it seems totem is to blame |
| 15:27.49 | jetscreamer | http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21674051-2,00.html |
| 15:27.50 | gravity | mezoko: But it works after that? |
| 15:27.57 | mezoko | yeah |
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| 15:28.23 | mezoko | gravity, but I'm just afraid, because I have a nice LCD, but these boxes are going to be connected to old CRT's |
| 15:28.30 | gravity | hrm |
| 15:28.31 | mezoko | and I don't need to be running the schools crts |
| 15:28.33 | nvz | I have no freakin idea what I did to deserve this no sound condition I got.. I installed alsautils and ran alsa conf and had it working perfectly.. now all I get is silence and no errors.. mixer loads, songs play.. I hear nothing. ugh |
| 15:29.09 | haxality | just out of curiosity, could I make a shell script that launches mplayer with the options that make it actually work, and link it to the mplayer binary? |
| 15:29.23 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:29.24 | xand | haxality: make an alias |
| 15:29.29 | beap | nvz, try to run alsamixer maybe yu lowered yur volumes lol |
| 15:29.32 | hark | nvz: lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 15:29.35 | jetscreamer | haxality: you can set that in mplayer prefs in ~ |
| 15:29.43 | haxality | ahhh excellent |
| 15:29.46 | xand | oh, I guess that would be better |
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| 15:29.56 | haxality | haha, but now I know about the alias command, xand! |
| 15:29.57 | gravity | mezoko: There's a bunch of options for the s3virge driver documented in the manpage. I'm not sure if any of those would help though |
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| 15:30.01 | nvz | beap: na, I got em all cranked and before my last reboot I was at least gettng a hissing sound from my speaker turning the master volue up |
| 15:30.12 | mezoko | gravity, well I'll look, right now everythign seems to be ok |
| 15:30.20 | mezoko | it seemed worse before (dunno why) |
| 15:30.35 | nvz | hark: mixer_app 1273 nvz 38u CHR 116,0 14139448 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 15:30.38 | nvz | thats it |
| 15:30.43 | mezoko | gravity, thanks for the help |
| 15:30.47 | gravity | mezoko: Sorry, I'm pretty much out of ideas though. I don't know much about this driver. If you have more problems, I'd recommend mailing the xorg mailing lists at freedesktop.org |
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| 15:30.50 | DawnLight | i want to display some notification in kde when a user logges in to the box with ssh... ? |
| 15:31.15 | gravity | mezoko: I don't remember who's maintaining the s3 drivers, but if they're maintained then the maintainer should see the mail and help you out |
| 15:31.20 | mezoko | gravity, ok, its an old IBM PII which these boxes aren't the best to be working with |
| 15:31.33 | gravity | Anyhow, I have to run. good luck! |
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| 15:31.50 | ttuuxxx | good day room |
| 15:31.53 | jetscreamer | !room |
| 15:31.54 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 15:32.08 | nvz | Emu10k1, old debian 2.6.8 k7 kernel for all I know it could be some kind of eqipment failure but I tried both outputs with both speakers and headphones before and couldn't get anything more than a hissing sound |
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| 15:32.35 | hark | nvz: heh, well that looks fine |
| 15:32.43 | jetscreamer | nvz: and you're sure it's not loading the oss driver eh |
| 15:33.05 | mezoko | I got another questions, I'm trying to adjust the date and time and its asking me for the root password, so I type it in and it says its wrong even though its right |
| 15:33.20 | mezoko | and I confirmed this by typing in the same password in terminal when executing su |
| 15:33.32 | jetscreamer | mezoko: kde? |
| 15:33.43 | jetscreamer | the control panel thingy? |
| 15:33.48 | ttuuxxx | so how's everyone in the room? I'm really liking this debian room, maybe there's more room in here for other rooms to join this room and have 1 very large room/ |
| 15:33.51 | mezoko | jetscreamer, it was gnome, but I got it working |
| 15:33.55 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:34.11 | mezoko | but I'm pretty sure I didn't type in the password wrong 7 times! |
| 15:34.13 | jetscreamer | !love ttuuxxx |
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| 15:34.21 | nvz | jetscreamer: nope I got OSS emulation pcm, seq, mixer all loaded |
| 15:34.47 | jetscreamer | nvz: works here is all i can say then :/ |
| 15:35.01 | nvz | I dont recall changing anything configuration wise when it just magically stopped working made me think a bad cable or something |
| 15:35.16 | nvz | but then I tried the green and black outputs and tried with headphones too.. got nothing |
| 15:35.26 | haxality | my final question is. how would I go about making gnome open all my video files with one video player |
| 15:35.36 | xand | nvz: remove ear plugs? |
| 15:35.44 | jetscreamer | try the gnome control panel thing |
| 15:35.47 | abrotman | haxality: are they different file types ? |
| 15:35.56 | haxality | abrotman: theoretically, yes |
| 15:35.58 | nvz | xand: heh, apt-get --purge remove shit-from-ears |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | haxality: you might have to do each individually |
| 15:36.21 | hark | Phenox_: just right click a file and in properties set the open with to your desired player |
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| 15:36.25 | haxality | but basically after I open them all with mplayer it will learn |
| 15:36.35 | hark | haxality: ^ |
| 15:36.54 | ttuuxxx | i'll join the room in a few, have to go now cya roomates, roomy people in the room, ttuuxxx has left the room. |
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| 15:37.01 | hark | Phenox_: not you, sorry :) |
| 15:38.05 | thomas_ | does anybody know how to enable APE file support in audacious? |
| 15:38.22 | haxality | hark: yeah.. I did, but it didn't work |
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| 15:38.48 | haxality | it was an avi file, and when I went to open another one it was totem again |
| 15:38.49 | thomas_ | i couldn't find a plugin |
| 15:38.58 | nvz | maybe if I perform a ritual sacrifice my sound will work again |
| 15:39.45 | l0rdbalthazar | Is there a way to remove all of X, KDE, and GNOME at once? Somehow dist-upgrade forced them all to install, with all their extras. |
| 15:40.10 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice nvz's emu10k1 |
| 15:40.31 | valdyn | l0rdbalthazar: apt-get remove --purge x11-common might get alot |
| 15:40.44 | haxality | oh, I lied, this is my last question: is there a way to remove totem without breaking gnome? I have no use for it |
| 15:40.47 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 15:40.49 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 15:40.49 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 15:40.54 | jetscreamer | l0rdbalthazar: you can do that with dselect by highlighting their respective section headers and pressing the _ key |
| 15:40.55 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 15:40.55 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 15:41.10 | l0rdbalthazar | Ok. I'll try that. |
| 15:41.25 | thomas_ | uh this bots kicks ass xD |
| 15:41.30 | tarzeau | asg, jetscreamer play bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 15:41.32 | hark | haxality: and you did set it in the properties and not just open with |
| 15:41.40 | valdyn | l0rdbalthazar: mind, some software depends on some x libraries without being graphical at all |
| 15:41.42 | haxality | oh snap. |
| 15:41.44 | haxality | you're right. |
| 15:41.45 | haxality | one second. |
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| 15:42.06 | haxality | I apologize, that was a really obvious mistake |
| 15:42.09 | haxality | thanks :) |
| 15:42.40 | jetscreamer | uh.... i'm more into quake |
| 15:42.42 | l0rdbalthazar | valdyn: the thing is, the only thing I've ever installed on this server is console based tools. |
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| 15:43.24 | jetscreamer | like he said, some cli apps want x11 libs... x11-common comes to mind but i don't remember which package pulled it for me |
| 15:43.51 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know which package i need for the java runtime in iceweasle ? |
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| 15:43.54 | l0rdbalthazar | Unless mc desides to require it all. |
| 15:43.56 | slav0nic | im try update GTK from unstable repo, now some pygtk apps (gajim, scribes) can't started=\ |
| 15:44.10 | x_link | Is it not possible to update/upgrade my BIOS while using Debian? |
| 15:44.14 | valdyn | slav0nic: that's ok, that's unstable |
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| 15:44.26 | x_link | On the Asus site it seems like I only can do that with Windows. |
| 15:44.32 | valdyn | slav0nic: read the bts or report a bug. If you didnt want such issues you wouldnt use sid |
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| 15:45.53 | valdyn | l0rdbalthazar: removing libX11-6 would remove more than you want |
| 15:46.01 | lyli1 | maybe you folks can advise... when a pair of NICs are replaced in a system, that were previously eth0/1, they show up as eth2/3 are reboot; is this essentially a kernel issue from what the BIOS is passing to the kernel on the interfaces? |
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| 15:46.22 | RichiH | lyli1: use nameif or what's it called |
| 15:46.22 | valdyn | lyli1: that's intended, new nics get new names |
| 15:46.35 | RichiH | lyli1: that way, you can map them to stable names |
| 15:46.35 | vinicius | How can I do to network go up automatically in boot? |
| 15:46.36 | Kemurii | hey, anyone successfully using nss_updatedb? my local db is not getting populated, although the slapd is getting correct queries (getent works directly with ldap) |
| 15:46.39 | l0rdbalthazar | valdyn: so I shouldn't purge that? |
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| 15:46.51 | RichiH | vinicius: by plugging in a cable? |
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| 15:47.15 | Kemurii | vinicius: /etc/network/interfaces auto eth0 just above the iface configuration |
| 15:47.16 | valdyn | lyli1: read /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_net.rules |
| 15:47.25 | valdyn | lyli1: nameif is just wrong if you have udev installed |
| 15:47.31 | lyli1 | k, this is actually a gentoo system, but i hope the same applies |
| 15:47.39 | vinicius | RichiH: Kemurii was much useful than you on this.. |
| 15:47.42 | lyli1 | tried asking in the gentoo channel, but noone bites |
| 15:47.50 | vinicius | Kemurii: thanks =) |
| 15:47.57 | lyli1 | you guys are much helpful |
| 15:47.59 | l0rdbalthazar | valdyn: should I purge x11-common? |
| 15:48.49 | valdyn | l0rdbalthazar: sure |
| 15:48.57 | foo | fsck -nc /dev/sda1 is ok since that doesn't touch the filesystem, right? |
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| 15:49.18 | lyli1 | valdyn: "nameif is just wrong", meaning what? |
| 15:49.21 | lyli1 | udev is active on this system... so nameif will or wont solve the issue? |
| 15:49.24 | valdyn | l0rdbalthazar: you can purge what you want, just _look_ if you need something it removes |
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| 15:49.55 | valdyn | lyli1: if udev installed that would get you 2 tools renaming your interfaces concurrently or on top of each other |
| 15:49.56 | RichiH | vinicius: it should be enabled by default |
| 15:50.10 | RichiH | vinicius: i got called away when i wanted to answer seriously, though |
| 15:50.11 | valdyn | lyli1: which is obviously silly |
| 15:50.14 | l0rdbalthazar | Ok. One more question. Why does my .Xauthority keep going all wack and denying connections? |
| 15:50.20 | xored | xingu: Hi. The Server is using 98% of his ram, do you think thats normal ? |
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| 15:50.51 | valdyn | 98% is quite low |
| 15:51.08 | PingFloyd | l0rdbalthazar: mit magic cookies |
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| 15:51.25 | simonrvn | beginner networking question... you know there's a gateway IP, a broadcast IP, and the rest are usable? well, is it possible to assign the router in a network the gateway IP, or do i have to assign the router ones of the usable IPs? |
| 15:51.27 | jetscreamer | die udev die |
| 15:51.37 | lyli1 | k, so resolution lies in the read /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent_net.rules |
| 15:51.52 | l0rdbalthazar | simonrvn: router should get the gateway IP |
| 15:52.00 | l0rdbalthazar | That way clients look to it for information. |
| 15:52.07 | xored | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/474027 |
| 15:52.10 | jetscreamer | if the router IS the gateway |
| 15:52.19 | l0rdbalthazar | True. |
| 15:52.19 | simonrvn | it would be, yes |
| 15:52.24 | simonrvn | in this case |
| 15:52.38 | l0rdbalthazar | Then yes simonrvn, give it the gateway IP. |
| 15:52.49 | simonrvn | so it's usable, only if that IP IS GOING TO BE the gateway |
| 15:52.55 | jazbo2185 | Hey folk when I try to play this game (uqm) I get: "Opening SDL audio device. Unable to open audio device: No available audio device. This may happen when a soundcard is not present or not available." Any ideas what the problem is? yes I can get sound to work in other programs... |
| 15:53.02 | simonrvn | ok, i was unsure of that, thank you |
| 15:53.19 | valdyn | jazbo2185: using alsa or oss? which programs can play back sound fine? |
| 15:53.20 | lyli1 | valdyn: ok... NOW... if we put the original interfaces back in, different mobo, they would come back as eth0/1, yes? |
| 15:53.23 | jetscreamer | swbell had me using some remote gateway before though |
| 15:53.23 | vinicius | RichiH: no problem, I got help =) |
| 15:53.25 | l0rdbalthazar | simonrvn: you can give it any IP you want, if you change the gateway IP in the DHCPd config. |
| 15:53.31 | jetscreamer | but it was a static ip |
| 15:53.40 | valdyn | lyli1: yea, name is mapped to MAC |
| 15:53.47 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: how would I check which I'm using? Amarok plays sounds okay... |
| 15:53.57 | simonrvn | l0rdbalthazar: dhcp doesn't enter the picture here |
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| 15:54.05 | ma3x | !parport |
| 15:54.05 | dpkg | somebody said parport was at http://www.torque.net/parport/ |
| 15:54.05 | lyli1 | valdyn: excellent... so we'll just put the original interfaces back in |
| 15:54.11 | valdyn | jazbo2185: aplay somefile.wav |
| 15:54.18 | lyli1 | valdyn: since the real issue was replacing the mobo.... |
| 15:54.22 | garo | What's the difference between the packages icecast2 and icecast-server ? |
| 15:54.25 | l0rdbalthazar | simonrvn: well then, it'll be fine. Just set the gateway IP on your client computers to the router box. |
| 15:54.28 | lyli1 | valdyn: thank you for answering my questions |
| 15:54.32 | ma3x | how can I disable parport? |
| 15:54.34 | valdyn | lyli1: whatever suits you, fixing the .rules file is trivial aswell |
| 15:54.51 | lyli1 | how is that done? |
| 15:55.01 | valdyn | lyli1: have you read it yet? |
| 15:55.06 | lyli1 | valdyn: i know rtfm... but time is working against us |
| 15:55.15 | valdyn | lyli1: rtfm is not required |
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| 15:55.28 | lyli1 | in gentoo i have 50-udev.rules and 05-udev-early.rules |
| 15:55.40 | simonrvn | l0rdbalthazar: i just have to set the things they are now, i'll be having [modem] - [router] - [another box passing packets back and forth] - [hub] = [rest of internal net] |
| 15:56.02 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: I don't seem to have aplay installed |
| 15:56.03 | l0rdbalthazar | simonrvn: that's actually how I have mine. |
| 15:56.17 | valdyn | lyli1: ah, so its different there, you're kind of on your own, you could grep for a line like: "ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", SYSFS{address}=="00:11:2f:0b:3b:18", NAME="net1" |
| 15:56.20 | thomas_ | oh - there's really much modules which are compiled using the default .config |
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| 15:56.21 | l0rdbalthazar | simonrvn: I have my router box IP 192.168.2.1, and everything else looking at it gateway wise. |
| 15:56.35 | thomas_ | now i know why all of my hardware is detected xD |
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| 15:56.40 | valdyn | lyli1: which is trivial to adjust to eth0 or whatever ( net1 is my own choice ) |
| 15:57.54 | l0rdbalthazar | Why does my .Xauthority keep going all wack and denying connections? It allows like may 5 connections total, then denies everything else, even if I only have 1 thing up. [last question] |
| 15:57.55 | valdyn | jazbo2185: ok, 'cat /proc/asound/devices' ( dont paste here, just check if that gives a result ) |
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| 15:58.07 | Noiano | hello |
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| 15:58.17 | simonrvn | l0rdbalthazar: been having some pppoe issues... i've dropped the mtu to like 1000 on ppp, and i still can't connect anywhere with the box making the ppp conn., whereas a few days ago it was connecting (currently 1400). i've flushed anything from iptables that would be blocking it, but still crap. no funky sysctl stuff either |
| 15:58.19 | Noiano | does anybody know where CA certs are stored? |
| 15:58.35 | simonrvn | /etc/ssl |
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| 15:58.46 | Noiano | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 15:59.06 | dob1 | hi, what is the command to force the installation of a package when you have a file in this package that it is in more that one package? there was an help on the bot but i don't remember the key |
| 15:59.25 | l0rdbalthazar | dpkg -f -i? |
| 15:59.26 | hark | /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 15:59.38 | l0rdbalthazar | Oh. Sorry. Read it wrong. |
| 15:59.39 | valdyn | dob1: you dont do this |
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| 15:59.52 | dob1 | valdyn: why? |
| 16:00.06 | valdyn | dob1: if you have to ask why , that's one more reason |
| 16:00.14 | valdyn | dob1: you dont. |
| 16:00.28 | valdyn | !wayttd dob1 |
| 16:00.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dob1? |
| 16:00.30 | rexthedog | if i want rsync to automatically sync stuff when its changed, do i have to make a cron job or can it be done wit rsyncd also ?? |
| 16:00.32 | dob1 | valdyn: sorry i don't understand what do you mean |
| 16:00.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg --force-help |
| 16:01.00 | valdyn | !force |
| 16:01.00 | dpkg | i guess force is a widely known, and not so well documented *cough* redhat /feature/. It's suppose to break.... right? |
| 16:01.13 | valdyn | hah |
| 16:01.17 | dob1 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-themes_2.18.1-2_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/da/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-themes.mo', which is also in package gnome-themes-common |
| 16:01.17 | dpkg | dob1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:01.19 | dob1 | this is the error |
| 16:01.27 | Noiano | simonrvn: are you sure?using openssl I get a "self signed cert error" while using the -CA option I do not... |
| 16:01.47 | valdyn | dob1: read the dpkg manpage |
| 16:01.54 | jetscreamer | dob1: what i do, and it's entirely unsupported/frowned upon.. dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-themes_2.18.1-2_all.deb |
| 16:02.07 | dob1 | ok thanks i will try |
| 16:02.15 | l0rdbalthazar | !restartx |
| 16:02.15 | dpkg | Don't reboot. Just restart X. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace if you are logged in. '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 16:02.21 | jetscreamer | dob1: note you get to keep the pieces if it breaks |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's a bit much |
| 16:02.37 | dob1 | jetscreamer: i can remove this package, i don't use gnome |
| 16:02.49 | jetscreamer | dob1: just remove --purge it then |
| 16:02.49 | dob1 | jetscreamer: but until i resolve this problem i can't use apt |
| 16:02.49 | valdyn | force-overwrite is probably a little less stupid |
| 16:02.50 | simonrvn | Noiano: look in there, they're somewhere there |
| 16:02.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:03.12 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:03.22 | Noiano | simonrvn: /etc/ssl/certs if full of certs but openssl doesn't see the new one I copied! |
| 16:03.23 | dob1 | ah ok it works |
| 16:03.25 | dob1 | thanks |
| 16:03.26 | simonrvn | force-overwrite is usually all tha's needed |
| 16:03.27 | valdyn | dob1: in that case just use --force-overwrite and remove _both_ packages after that |
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| 16:03.41 | simonrvn | Noiano: c_rehash /that/dir |
| 16:03.48 | Noiano | ok |
| 16:03.54 | simonrvn | Noiano: where you put the cert you put in |
| 16:03.55 | jetscreamer | dob1: note that what they said was better than what i said |
| 16:04.02 | Miles_Prower | [VIRUS] Do not accept any file sends of EXE's from me for a short while, something is sending them without my asking, and I've detected Gaelicum.A on my laptop. Cleanup underway |
| 16:04.08 | Noiano | simonrvn: thanks...i will try |
| 16:04.17 | jetscreamer | Miles_Prower: not a problem |
| 16:04.18 | dob1 | jetscreamer: i remove all the 2 packages, then if i want i can install the right one |
| 16:04.26 | dob1 | is ok? |
| 16:04.32 | jetscreamer | dob1: sounds like a plan |
| 16:04.35 | simonrvn | WTF are you using windows on a network connected box anyway? |
| 16:04.39 | jetscreamer | dob1: but why bother |
| 16:04.46 | Noiano | simonrvn: nothing, same error |
| 16:04.49 | jetscreamer | they're installed |
| 16:04.49 | dob1 | ok i try |
| 16:05.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: seen http://igwe.vub.ac.be/~traes/t-sim/ ? |
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| 16:05.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: that looks awful |
| 16:06.25 | simonrvn | Noiano: what is the error exactly? that would help |
| 16:06.30 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:06.35 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.38 | simonrvn | / \ |
| 16:06.47 | Noiano | simonrvn: Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain) |
| 16:07.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and this? http://ux.tank.googlepages.com/home |
| 16:07.14 | Noiano | which souln't appear as the newly copied cert is the CA cert |
| 16:07.20 | simonrvn | Noiano: that's usually not a problem if you set the checker to accept them |
| 16:07.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope |
| 16:07.33 | simonrvn | that too |
| 16:08.13 | Noiano | simonrvn: how about man in the middle?how do I realize whether is an attack or just a "CA" problem? |
| 16:08.15 | simonrvn | Noiano: what app is this? |
| 16:08.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: man nethack looks awful too, but the fun and joy is unbearable! murdering gnomes |
| 16:08.26 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: yeah, `cat /proc/asound/devices` gave a result |
| 16:08.30 | simonrvn | Noiano: then you check the cert manually |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: what does the doctor think about that ? |
| 16:08.44 | Noiano | simonrvn: the app is openssl s_client -connect jabber.org:5223 |
| 16:09.05 | Noiano | simonrvn: I cannot check the cert as my Im doesn't show it... |
| 16:09.17 | simonrvn | i do anyway, even if it's some "verified" and not self-signed cert... why should i trust them more? |
| 16:09.19 | valdyn | jazbo2185: is artsd running ? ( ps aux | grep artsd |
| 16:09.21 | valdyn | jazbo2185: is artsd running ? ( ps aux | grep artsd ) |
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| 16:10.12 | simonrvn | Noiano: you probably need to set the client for ask, instead of demand... not sure where you would do that |
| 16:10.30 | Noiano | simonrvn: what about openssl? |
| 16:10.33 | valdyn | jazbo2185: if so, run: "apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-arts" |
| 16:10.44 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: yes, seems to be running: "/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f" |
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| 16:10.52 | simonrvn | Noiano: you can always go fetch their ca cert, and use that |
| 16:10.57 | jazbo2185 | ah k |
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| 16:11.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: you could help me with fixing the packaging of http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/libfreebasic/ |
| 16:11.23 | valdyn | jazbo2185: mind, sound in that sdl program will only work with artsd running then. A proper fix involves |
| 16:11.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha http://www.13thmonkey.org/~boris/jgame/JGame/html/applet-waterworld-640x480.html |
| 16:11.27 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 16:11.34 | simonrvn | Noiano: that is, you seem to not have it there, otherwise it wouldn't be bitching |
| 16:11.35 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 16:11.35 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 16:11.40 | valdyn | jazbo2185: this ^^^ |
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| 16:11.50 | Noiano | simonrvn: I would like to copy the CA cert to the directory containing all the ca cert so that openssl doesn't complain |
| 16:11.53 | valdyn | jazbo2185: and having artsd use this ^^^ |
| 16:11.58 | ma3x | hey |
| 16:12.07 | ma3x | I tried to suspend my computer or hibernate but it freezes |
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| 16:12.17 | simonrvn | Noiano: yeh, so when you do get their ca cert and install it, run that c_rehash |
| 16:12.28 | ma3x | if I hibernate it it gets to the console and says something about pnp activated 00:08 |
| 16:12.28 | xtknight | why do my kernel packages end up being so big? (>200M) |
| 16:12.40 | ma3x | and if I suspend it, it turns off and then Ican't turn it on anymore |
| 16:12.45 | xtknight | i believe it's because a DEBUG option is enabled somewhere, but i'm not sure where. /lib/modules seems uncharacteristically huge as well |
| 16:12.46 | Noiano | simonrvn: I did but I get the error nonetheless |
| 16:12.46 | ma3x | do you know what could be the problem? |
| 16:12.50 | ma3x | it used to work before .... |
| 16:13.09 | simonrvn | Noiano: then include it in the openssl CL |
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| 16:13.25 | xoz | ma3x: we need specific output. check the logs etc... |
| 16:13.28 | Noiano | simonrvn: where is this CL? |
| 16:13.29 | simonrvn | i *think* it's something like -cacert or something like it |
| 16:13.33 | simonrvn | command line |
| 16:13.45 | jazbo2185 | valdyn: that did it. Thanks very much. I couldn't bear to play uqm without the excellent music ;) |
| 16:14.14 | simonrvn | well, i need t go do something, be back in a few |
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| 16:14.51 | ma3x | xoz, it won't log that I guess |
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| 16:15.06 | DavidProck1981 | why at one poiont beryal work then later the next time i start it i get this beryl: Plugin 'dbus':initDisplay failed |
| 16:15.22 | xoz | ma3x: then, without much info, it is a blackhole. |
| 16:15.24 | DavidProck1981 | beryl* |
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| 16:16.30 | DavidProck1981 | any one? |
| 16:16.41 | ma3x | xoz, when I click hibernate it goes to the console and writes a line like this ============================= and then says something like pnp: activated 00:08 and then it freezes there |
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| 16:17.51 | tarzeau | telnet 80.219.79.221 27015 |
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| 16:18.09 | ma3x | xoz, what's interesting pnp detects parport_pc at 00:08 |
| 16:18.09 | massctrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.24 | ma3x | xoz, I tried blacklisting both modules parport and parport_pc but it still loads them |
| 16:18.29 | simonrvn | tarzeau: wrong window |
| 16:20.07 | abrotman | massctrl: you'd probably have better luck in the IMAP server of your choice channel |
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| 16:20.18 | xoz | ma3x: if you think it is the problem, you can rename it so that it will not be loaded... then if your suspicion is correct, suspend should work. otherwise, rename it back. |
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| 16:20.45 | massctrl | abrotman: you think so?, ... maildir is just a filestructure |
| 16:20.54 | simonrvn | #IMAP_SERVER_OF_YOUR_CHOICE |
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| 16:21.17 | ma3x | whats the command to start gnome? |
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| 16:21.50 | Noiano | simonrvn: can you please tell me how to add the cert to the openssl CL? |
| 16:21.54 | ma3x | startgnome? |
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| 16:22.50 | qudama | anyone know the script for uninstall debian package? |
| 16:22.59 | simonrvn | Noiano: it's a CL option, -ca or -cacert or something, check the --help |
| 16:23.00 | ma3x | quad3d, apt-get remove packagename |
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| 16:24.06 | qudama | ma3x:ok, thnx |
| 16:24.06 | ma3x | no problem |
| 16:24.06 | ma3x | now how do I start gnome from the console? |
| 16:24.08 | runatrain | i have a serious issue |
| 16:24.10 | ma3x | for kde startkde |
| 16:24.11 | ma3x | for gnome? |
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| 16:24.13 | hall_ | when i insert my USB key icons for sda4 + sda5 appear on the desktop, I am unable to mount either of them. how can i debug please? |
| 16:24.49 | xoz | tell ma3x -about running gnome |
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| 16:24.58 | abrotman | xoz: ! |
| 16:24.59 | Noiano | simonrvn: using the -ca option you do not add nothing to the ca certs but you use a specified file as ca cert....in this way i get no error but as you understand I want this to happen all the times |
| 16:25.00 | vchrizz | ma3x: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 16:25.08 | runatrain | guys..please looks at this website: http://www.swt.com/ <---- its linked from the debian homepage...but i think it looks like a scam site |
| 16:25.11 | kth` | hall_; Try `cd;mkdir test123;mount /dev/sda4 test123;dmesg|tail` in a console |
| 16:25.16 | runatrain | any ideas/thoughts |
| 16:25.23 | abrotman | runatrain: from which website ? |
| 16:25.25 | xoz | abrotman: and destroy .xsession |
| 16:25.33 | runatrain | i was burned on my last online computer prchase |
| 16:25.34 | abrotman | runatrain: which page at debian.org links to it |
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| 16:25.43 | runatrain | the how to get debian\ |
| 16:25.47 | abrotman | xoz: you didn't put an exclaimation point at the beginning |
| 16:25.48 | runatrain | with it installed |
| 16:25.59 | xoz | abrotman: ah |
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| 16:26.58 | abrotman | it looks like a scam site ? |
| 16:27.05 | xoz | *stupid victoria secret show |
| 16:27.14 | runatrain | it just looks like the site i got my last compuiter from |
| 16:27.23 | runatrain | i was burned for about 1000 bucks |
| 16:27.24 | abrotman | so check with BBB |
| 16:27.28 | kth` | hall_; Err.... sudo mount* |
| 16:28.45 | vchrizz | how do i find out where the error is, when at booting it tells me "waiting for root file system" and some time later "/dev/md1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! check your root= blabla" then i got a (initramfs)shell .. (md1 is my system on raid1) i though may boot with root=/dev/hda2 instead of root=/dev/md1 |
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| 16:29.12 | hall_ | http://pastebin.ca/474080 |
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| 16:29.47 | vchrizz | im not sure, but i think i somehow compiled my kernel 2.6.21 wrong, cause thats the only thing i did before this error |
| 16:29.49 | zen-owl | hello, when will all the new packages from unstable move into Lenny? |
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| 16:30.14 | hall_ | kth what should i put in place of the * ? |
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| 16:34.12 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 16:34.19 | runatrain | big ups |
| 16:34.28 | bbelt16ag | having an issues trying to play a movie off a nfs share.. |
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| 16:34.43 | runatrain | have ya played something like it b4 |
| 16:34.49 | mohkohn | I just installed etch on a 24 inch iMac. I have managed to get it booting with OSX, Etch and XP (for games only). |
| 16:34.51 | bbelt16ag | i keep getting mpeg4 header damage |
| 16:34.56 | bbelt16ag | from xine |
| 16:35.14 | bbelt16ag | and the sound stop and the movie goes slow mode on me |
| 16:35.25 | runatrain | just that one movie? |
| 16:35.34 | bbelt16ag | no its happen on multiple movies |
| 16:35.47 | mohkohn | I am having problems with the wireless. It does not seem to detect my wireless card |
| 16:36.02 | zen-owl | atleast debian does bsod trying to play mpeg4 like vista does -_- |
| 16:36.06 | zen-owl | does not* |
| 16:36.22 | bbelt16ag | how does vista try to do it |
| 16:36.40 | mohkohn | I think my wireless uses the sky2 driver |
| 16:36.47 | runatrain | the wrong way |
| 16:36.52 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 16:36.57 | zen-owl | with either vlc or quicktime it bsods trying to play mpeg4's |
| 16:36.57 | bbelt16ag | runatrain: |
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| 16:37.13 | bbelt16ag | bsods? not on tech speak |
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| 16:37.22 | runatrain | big bad blue screen |
| 16:37.22 | bbelt16ag | oh blue screen of death |
| 16:37.31 | dduong | bbelt16ag: when you cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log does it show any mpeg4 header damage errors and anything after that to give any clues on what's happening? |
| 16:37.32 | runatrain | that says yer compu is fucked reset |
| 16:37.40 | bbelt16ag | will look |
| 16:38.29 | dduong | bbelt16ag: Also check out this thread I found on the internet to see if it's the same issue you are having: http://www.phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?p=5828 |
| 16:38.30 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 16:39.13 | bbelt16ag | why would X be having issues with videos? |
| 16:39.14 | dduong | bbelt: You might have to pipe it to more to read parts of it (if you already did that then nvm :) ) |
| 16:39.28 | bbelt16ag | right |
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| 16:42.55 | bbelt16ag | no the xorg looks find i just build my video drivers last night |
| 16:43.06 | bbelt16ag | not sure why this happens it plays and stop |
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| 16:44.25 | kth` | hall_; What I meant is `cd;mkdir test123;sudo mount /dev/sda4 test123;dmesg|tail` |
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| 16:45.28 | jetscreamer | it means do those |
| 16:45.50 | jetscreamer | i don't get the cd in front though |
| 16:48.24 | dduong | bbelt: Weird, does any other player work? |
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| 16:48.50 | thomas_ | my kernel is installed - how about reinstalling the nvidia modules? |
| 16:48.50 | bbelt16ag | well not with sound hehe |
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| 16:48.51 | bbelt16ag | i never could get vlc or mplayer to play sound oin here |
| 16:48.51 | thomas_ | can i use the old .deb? or is it kernel specific? |
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| 16:48.53 | hall_ | kth`, http://pastebin.ca/474096 |
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| 16:50.34 | thomas_ | i haven't rebootet yet - m-a auto-install nvidia still says nvidia-kernel is installed |
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| 16:51.36 | Wyzard | thomas_: The nvidia-kernel packages are kernel-specific -- that's why the kernel version number is part of the package name |
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| 16:52.04 | Wyzard | thomas_: m-a is telling you that the nvidia-kernel package for the kernel you are *currently running* is installed |
| 16:52.23 | thomas_ | so MUST reboot with the new kernel first |
| 16:52.31 | Wyzard | thomas_: If you recently installed a new kernel, when you reboot you'll be running that instead, and you need to build nvidia-kernel for that |
| 16:52.57 | thomas_ | ah ok - thought i could do that the all-in-one way ;) |
| 16:53.12 | Wyzard | thomas_: I think you can tell m-a to build modules for a kernel other that the currently-running one, so you could build the new nvidia-kernel before rebooting, but I don't know offhand the option to do that |
| 16:53.20 | thomas_ | i'll reboot - brb hopefully |
| 16:53.26 | xingu | Wyzard: -l k.er.nl |
| 16:53.31 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 16:57.04 | foo | " ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^" - I see a ton of these in syslog, and idea what that could be due from? |
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| 16:57.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 16:57.32 | thomas_ | perfect |
| 16:57.52 | HardDisk_WP | i followed the ssh2 private-key auth faq in http://www.rootforum.de/faq/14_38_de.html, but still i have to enter the password and not the key passphrase |
| 16:58.04 | HardDisk_WP | i use openssh on two debian lenny hosts |
| 16:58.45 | hall_ | anyone got any suggetions as to how to mount a USB jey? |
| 16:58.50 | hall_ | key |
| 16:59.06 | xarquid | plug it in plug it in |
| 16:59.19 | hall_ | after that... ;) |
| 16:59.47 | hall_ | it appears on desktop but will not mount using GUI |
| 16:59.57 | xarquid | Check out http://floatingsun.net/articles/howtos/howto-usb-automount.html |
| 17:00.05 | xarquid | It should auto mount it. Are you using etch? |
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| 17:00.33 | hall_ | yep |
| 17:00.41 | xarquid | Do you have usbutils and usbmgr installed? |
| 17:00.48 | xarquid | apt-get install usbutils usbmgr |
| 17:00.51 | xarquid | Just to make sure |
| 17:01.13 | xarquid | What format is the key in? fat32? |
| 17:01.25 | xarquid | Type lsusb at the command prompt |
| 17:01.51 | hall_ | usbmgr was not installed |
| 17:02.06 | xarquid | k, install those two and I'll continue to help0rz :) |
| 17:02.27 | xarquid | is the key fat32? |
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| 17:02.47 | xarquid | "key" (usb device) |
| 17:02.55 | xarquid | greetings _rvgate |
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| 17:04.05 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: :P.... is my /usr supposed to be 2.5gb? |
| 17:04.07 | xarquid | abrotman: ;p |
| 17:04.09 | hall_ | http://pastebin.ca/474118 |
| 17:04.11 | xarquid | lol |
| 17:04.18 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: used or total ? |
| 17:04.23 | xarquid | omfg a hostilepenguin |
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| 17:04.37 | Dave_is_sex1 | that's the size of the contents of the folder. it seems big |
| 17:04.41 | xarquid | hostilepenguin: do you have guns like in that cafepress.com hostile penguin sticker/what not that is che-like? |
| 17:04.48 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: depends what you have installed |
| 17:04.50 | hall_ | xarquid, not sure about the formatting |
| 17:04.51 | xarquid | dave_is_sex1: it's kind of normal for /usr to be 2.5g + |
| 17:05.31 | Dave_is_sex1 | i don't have much at all atm, but i only started using aptitude on day 2, so there could be remnants of things that should be gone |
| 17:05.49 | abrotman | mine is still counting :) |
| 17:06.01 | xarquid | hall_: can you still not right click and "mount" it even though it shows up? what's the error? |
| 17:06.10 | Dave_is_sex1 | i did a 'delete orpahans' operation which i thought sucked and it did next to nothing |
| 17:06.50 | hall_ | failed to determine mountpoint for sda5 |
| 17:07.04 | abrotman | Dave_is_sex1: mine is 3.3GB |
| 17:07.15 | xarquid | mkdir /mnt/dumbdrive |
| 17:07.26 | xarquid | mount -t vfat /dev/sda5 /mnt/dumbdrive |
| 17:07.36 | Dave_is_sex1 | abrotman: oh right. guess i'll leave it alone for now and increase the partition size |
| 17:07.36 | xarquid | Does it mount that way? |
| 17:07.48 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:07.53 | Dave_is_sex1 | 'later |
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| 17:08.12 | xarquid | Also, hall, do you have hotplug installed? apt-get install hotplug |
| 17:08.32 | hall_ | http://pastebin.ca/474124 |
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| 17:09.07 | xarquid | What's your syslog say? |
| 17:09.15 | xarquid | It doesn't sound like a fat drive, maybe ntfs? |
| 17:09.27 | xarquid | Make sure hotplug is installed though :) |
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| 17:09.39 | xarquid | hotplug = <3 |
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| 17:11.00 | xarquid | just try without the file type |
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| 17:11.24 | hall_ | hmm i dont have hotplug installed, i tried to install it but it wanted to remove the kernel that I am running- i thought that was a bad idea :) |
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| 17:11.34 | xarquid | oh pretty much |
| 17:11.43 | xarquid | can you mount the drive without specifying fat32? |
| 17:11.50 | xarquid | mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/dumbdrive |
| 17:11.54 | xarquid | i doubt you can |
| 17:11.57 | xarquid | just had to ask |
| 17:12.06 | xoz | hall_: hotplug is replaced by udev in etch |
| 17:12.15 | xand | xoz: probably |
| 17:12.18 | xand | erm |
| 17:12.20 | xand | xarquid: probably |
| 17:12.22 | xoz | !hotplig |
| 17:12.25 | xoz | !hotplug |
| 17:12.26 | dpkg | from memory, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 17:12.34 | xand | xarquid: mount will usually autodetected |
| 17:12.36 | xand | -ed |
| 17:12.37 | xand | bah |
| 17:12.46 | xarquid | yeahhmm |
| 17:12.54 | xarquid | xand: yeah but it's not in his case |
| 17:13.02 | xarquid | xand: And I'm not sure why |
| 17:13.10 | xarquid | Any syslogs or dmsg logs, hall_ ? |
| 17:13.13 | hall_ | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 17:13.36 | xarquid | try mount -t auto ... |
| 17:13.39 | xarquid | or mount -t msdos ... |
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| 17:13.44 | xarquid | since you've already tried vfat |
| 17:13.45 | martoss | hi guys |
| 17:13.47 | xoz | hall_: open in cfdisk/parted that partition and check the error message |
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| 17:14.14 | martoss | any ideas about this issue: I created an user in a chrooted debian etch install, and now i cant su username in the chroot |
| 17:14.15 | dazjorz | Hello |
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| 17:14.22 | dazjorz | I noticed there is no megahal channel, that's why I ask here |
| 17:14.25 | dazjorz | Every time I run megahal, it says: |
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| 17:14.28 | martoss | fritz:/etc# su martin |
| 17:14.29 | martoss | Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied |
| 17:14.33 | dazjorz | load_model: Unable to open file `./megahal.brn'. |
| 17:14.34 | dazjorz | in the logs. |
| 17:14.44 | xarquid | and etch doesn't use wheel by default hm ;) I wish it did wheel group is <3 |
| 17:14.47 | dazjorz | It's probably because megahal.brn doesn't exist... how do I make a brain? |
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| 17:14.52 | hall_ | xoz, sorry i do not understand |
| 17:15.10 | xoz | hall_: cfdisk /dev/<device> |
| 17:15.17 | xarquid | try to do mount -t auto /dev/sda5 /mnt/dumbdrive |
| 17:15.24 | xarquid | and also listen to xoz |
| 17:15.27 | xarquid | we need to see those logs ) |
| 17:15.37 | colkhis | My laptop can't hibarnate or suspend. Can it be because I don't have enough swap? |
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| 17:16.09 | martoss | colkhis, you need as much swapspace as you have mem+graphics mem |
| 17:16.24 | martoss | but i would give some mb extra |
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| 17:16.46 | Soccrmastr | hey guys what file do I add my user account to be able to use sudo. I know it should be /etc/sudoer but that doesnt exist, even though in the install I saw that it said it created it? |
| 17:17.01 | xoz | sudoers |
| 17:17.07 | Soccrmastr | ah |
| 17:17.10 | xoz | Soccrmastr: use visudo |
| 17:17.13 | assasukasse | Hi everyone, i need a proggie that let me read confortably txt files, like books, what can i use.. |
| 17:17.33 | Soccrmastr | thats a seperate package? |
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| 17:17.48 | abrotman | assasukasse: uhm .. any editor you choose ? |
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| 17:17.57 | assasukasse | gedit |
| 17:17.58 | xoz | Soccrmastr: /msg dpkg sudoers |
| 17:18.00 | xarquid | abrotman: reading books on the PC is kind of...eye straining |
| 17:18.05 | xarquid | but gedit should work okay? |
| 17:18.15 | abrotman | xarquid: depends |
| 17:18.15 | xarquid | assasukasse: what site are you using to get the books? are they in .PDF format? |
| 17:18.16 | assasukasse | abrotman: i use gedit, but is not enough comfortable...i want something like ebook reader |
| 17:18.19 | abrotman | xarquid: some prefer it |
| 17:18.27 | abrotman | i've never seen ebook reader |
| 17:18.32 | hall_ | http://pastebin.ca/474134 |
| 17:18.32 | xarquid | yeah, ebook ready is nice... |
| 17:18.33 | xarquid | hmm |
| 17:18.46 | assasukasse | they are in txt |
| 17:18.50 | Soccrmastr | assasukasse try like abi word or open office.org, make it fullscreen and choose book view? Im not sure if it has it but MS word has book view and fullscreen |
| 17:18.51 | hall_ | I have a suspicion this drive might just be knackered |
| 17:18.51 | runatrain | dirty bootleggers |
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| 17:19.31 | xarquid | Well, since ebookmall.com recommends "Microsoft Wordpad" for Linux or "Netscape Navigator" I must go with those two |
| 17:19.35 | xoz | hall_: did you load the proper module? dmesg should tell you that |
| 17:19.35 | xarquid | lol |
| 17:19.37 | xarquid | ugh. |
| 17:19.44 | hall_ | juts going to try on another machine |
| 17:19.46 | assasukasse | Soccrmastr: i was hoping something w/o x |
| 17:19.52 | xarquid | ah |
| 17:20.06 | xarquid | so a terminal text editor that is good for reading books? |
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| 17:20.17 | xarquid | if it's just a text file, vi/vim/emacs should work fine |
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| 17:20.23 | mosty | less |
| 17:20.38 | xoz | less/dog/cat/more |
| 17:20.44 | Dave_is_sexy | question: "did not receive any dhcp invitations". And it's not going to, unless it sends the wep key via iwconfig first. How do I make it? |
| 17:20.56 | abrotman | xoz: most |
| 17:20.57 | assasukasse | xarquid: uhm vi and clones are ugly..i will give a look into emacs, maybe mc is better |
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| 17:21.08 | xoz | abrotman: really? |
| 17:21.17 | hall_ | hmm the key is knackered - it won't mount on the girlfriends OSX machine either.... sorry for wasting your time... |
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| 17:21.25 | colkhis | matros: I have 2Gb of RAM(video shared) and 2.5Gb of swap. Should be enough, right? |
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| 17:21.42 | xoz | hall_: no waste here. it is recycled :) |
| 17:21.54 | colkhis | matross: I have 2Gb of RAM(video shared) and 2.5Gb of swap. Should be enough, right? |
| 17:21.55 | ustunozgur | assasukasse, learn emacs . the learning curve is steep, but once you learn it, nothing beats it. |
| 17:21.56 | hall_ | :) thanks anyway |
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| 17:22.18 | colkhis | martoss: I have 2Gb of RAM(video shared) and 2.5Gb of swap. Should be enough, right? |
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| 17:22.22 | xarquid | hall_: reformat it |
| 17:22.27 | xarquid | hall_: then try auto mount :) |
| 17:22.29 | hall_ | how? |
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| 17:22.31 | xarquid | hall_: bet it will work |
| 17:22.33 | Soccrmastr | I use nano heh |
| 17:22.42 | xoz | hall_: mkfs.ext3 |
| 17:22.44 | xarquid | yeah, nano/joe are good text editors too - assasukasse |
| 17:22.45 | Kevin` | you need as much swap as you need swap. some systems can run fine without swap |
| 17:22.45 | martoss | colkhis, yep, it should |
| 17:22.46 | runatrain | does mame work in dibian? |
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| 17:22.55 | xarquid | I use nano a lot (it's basically pico) |
| 17:22.58 | Lamperi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.00 | xarquid | Have you tried those? |
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| 17:23.35 | xoz | runatrain: maybe in debian, dont know about dibian |
| 17:23.42 | shutdownrunner | colkhis:I've 512MB of ram and 250MB of swap and it does suffice |
| 17:23.47 | runatrain | sorry i am bad type |
| 17:23.54 | runatrain | i had ruff weekend |
| 17:24.05 | colkhis | I read somewhere that swap should be 2*memory. where does this 2 factor come from? |
| 17:24.09 | hall_ | how do i use the mkfs.ext3 command? I can't mount the drive... |
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| 17:24.28 | xoz | runatrain: apt-cache search mame should show you packages related to mame |
| 17:24.34 | Kevin` | colkhis it's an outdated figure for newer computers |
| 17:24.36 | xoz | hall_: no need to mount |
| 17:24.43 | runatrain | thank you |
| 17:24.52 | xoz | hall_: mkfs.ext3 /dev/<device> |
| 17:24.57 | shutdownrunner | colkhis:it's probably got some historical origins when RAM was really expensive and you had several MB of it. now with 1-2GB of RAM you probably need 512MB of swap, I guess |
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| 17:25.49 | hall_ | mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size |
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| 17:25.52 | xoz | hall_: if no error, it is mountable. otherwise, you need the proper module to recognize your device |
| 17:26.32 | xoz | hall_: check dmesg to know the location of device when you insert it. |
| 17:26.51 | assasukasse | tnx all |
| 17:27.27 | xoz | !tell hall_ -about udev usbkey |
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| 17:28.00 | xingu | shutdownrunner: actually it has more to do with the semantics of malloc() not handling the situation terribly well when you ask for pageable memory on a system which does not have the capability to page-out the aggregate of all such allocations |
| 17:28.22 | xingu | shutdownrunner: see ...src/linux/Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting in a kernel source tree near you. |
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| 17:28.25 | martoss | shutdownrunner, he is talking about suspending a machine |
| 17:28.43 | martoss | shutdownrunner, there' you need to be able to copy entire ram into swap or swapfile |
| 17:28.57 | Soccrmastr | well, man visudo works, but visudo command not found when trying to run. If I try to edit /etc/sudoers manually, what filename should it be? |
| 17:28.58 | shutdownrunner | ah.ok. I got connected too late to know it:) |
| 17:29.27 | martoss | shutdownrunner, yep, but in general you're right. |
| 17:29.30 | Soccrmastr | maybe I must apt-get visudo |
| 17:29.32 | Soccrmastr | brb |
| 17:29.46 | xingu | shutdownrunner: also ..src/linux/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt: overcommit_memory: |
| 17:30.02 | kingsley | colkhis: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/requirements.html#SwapSize |
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| 17:30.22 | colkhis | kingsley: thanks |
| 17:30.41 | kingsley | colkhis: You're welcome. |
| 17:31.07 | xoz | Soccrmastr: run visudo as root |
| 17:31.09 | minus | how do i configure GDM to be the default login manager? |
| 17:31.17 | shutdownrunner | xingu:I don't have any laptop and I'm not into suspending/hibernating/freezing/whatever a computer so I'm not familiar with the problem and swap size requirement. but thanks for info, I'll read it in free time |
| 17:31.34 | martoss | any ideas, what i can do about dovecot, complaining about hostname: Unknown host |
| 17:31.34 | martoss | ? |
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| 17:32.25 | colkhis | what can be a reason for hibernate/suspend failure (besides swap partition not being large enough)? |
| 17:32.35 | formorer | short: hardware |
| 17:32.38 | xoz | minus: remove the other dm |
| 17:32.59 | xoz | minus: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 17:33.01 | minus | I have |
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| 17:33.06 | hark | minus: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 17:33.28 | xingu | shutdownrunner: it's a generic issue and not specifically anything to do with laptops or suspend and resume; the issue is - once malloc succeeds, it's rude to fail memory dereferences; and the only way you can guarentee that all allocated-as-pageable memory can in fact be err paged is to configure swap>physical. |
| 17:33.28 | minus | hark, ok xoz ok |
| 17:33.32 | minus | brb ill try now |
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| 17:34.19 | minus | nope.. its still xdm.. eventhough ive uninstalled it |
| 17:34.23 | xoz | why do they have to quit irc to try X? |
| 17:34.27 | xoz | minus: remove xdm |
| 17:34.46 | minus | xoz, as i said |
| 17:34.51 | minus | i ve already removed it |
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| 17:35.26 | xoz | minus: update-rc.d for the gdm. possible it was removed. |
| 17:35.53 | xoz | minus: and update-rc.d to remove xdm from starting |
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| 17:36.34 | minus | i found the update-rc.d |
| 17:36.40 | xoz | minus: /msg dpkg update-rc.d... if you are not familiar |
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| 17:37.14 | minus | gotta go |
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| 17:39.53 | Soccrmastr | yeah, I didnt know visudo had to be run as root |
| 17:40.01 | Soccrmastr | otherwise it doesnt work, heh |
| 17:40.08 | Soccrmastr | well got it working now thanks |
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| 17:40.25 | ma3x | help |
| 17:40.32 | ma3x | I get blank screen after suspend when I turn on the laptop |
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| 17:40.40 | haxgen | ma3x: try moving the mouse |
| 17:40.43 | Enverex | Isn't "visudo" an Ubuntu program? Why "can't" you edit the sudoers file by hand? |
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| 17:40.52 | ma3x | haxality, it doesnt work |
| 17:40.57 | xoz | Enverex: you are dreaming! |
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| 17:41.13 | haxgen | ma3x: what can you do? is it a black screen or is the monitor still displaying something |
| 17:41.24 | ma3x | haxality, nothing!! black screen |
| 17:41.27 | Soccrmastr | visudo is the only proper way to add users to sudo |
| 17:41.27 | xingu | Enverex: because it's an easy thing to misimplement; the sudo upstreams take their work pretty seriously. |
| 17:41.35 | ma3x | haxality, completly nothing |
| 17:41.41 | ma3x | no keys respond, only holding the power button for 5 sesc |
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| 17:41.49 | Enverex | xoz, It just seems very Ubuntu to tell people to use failsafes on something which is easy to do without having to use it |
| 17:42.04 | haxgen | ma3x: what's your hardware |
| 17:42.07 | hark | Enverex: at it again ;) |
| 17:42.13 | xoz | syntax error in sudoers invites disaster and security issues |
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| 17:42.24 | xingu | Enverex: for instance, does an editor crash result in the contents of the file being disclosed to someone who was, and is no longer root equivalent... |
| 17:42.24 | ma3x | haxgen, fujitsu siemens amilo 1630 |
| 17:42.26 | Enverex | hark, Don't you think it's a bit odd though? |
| 17:42.39 | haxgen | hmm. |
| 17:42.45 | xoz | Enverex: upstream of sudo... nothing to do with debian or ubuntu policy |
| 17:42.54 | Enverex | xingu, Right, so it's ok to edit groups, passwd etc, but not sudoers? lol |
| 17:42.59 | haxgen | ma3x: anything weird plugged into your USB ports? |
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| 17:43.11 | xingu | Enverex: groups, passwd, etc are not the sudo upstream's problem |
| 17:43.16 | ma3x | haxgen, nope hdd and mouse |
| 17:43.23 | xingu | Enverex: editing sudoers, on the other hand, is - and they take it seriously. |
| 17:43.37 | Enverex | xingu, It was a rebuttle to the comment about "for instance, does an editor crash result in the contents of the file being disclosed to someone who was, and is no longer root equivalent..." |
| 17:43.56 | xingu | you can lead a horse to water I guess. |
| 17:44.00 | x_link | Have a question. This is an example --> sudo aptitude install xmoto (let's say it's on 800kb) but when I want to remove it (sudo aptitude -y purge xmoto) then it for example just removes 345kb. |
| 17:44.02 | xoz | and passwd file is not that complicated compared to sudoers syntax |
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| 17:44.19 | x_link | Why does sudo aptitude purge never remove the same kb/MB that when you installed? |
| 17:44.39 | xoz | purge |
| 17:44.41 | xoz | !purge |
| 17:44.41 | dpkg | [purge] to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 17:44.41 | haxgen | ma3x: this is just a random whim, but try suspending without anything plugged in |
| 17:44.49 | haxgen | ma3x: some laptops are extremely finicky about their usb ports during suspend |
| 17:44.58 | ma3x | haxgen, I tried already |
| 17:45.05 | ma3x | a few days ago it didnt do that |
| 17:45.16 | x_link | Zeit|awy: So I should use apt-get --purge "filename" instead of aptitude purge "filename" ? |
| 17:45.21 | ma3x | I 've installed a lot of packages since, but I don't know what might have changed it |
| 17:45.22 | xoz | ma3x: suspend is a black art |
| 17:45.33 | ma3x | xoz, what the hell do you mean black art? |
| 17:45.41 | ma3x | you don't use suspend, is that it? |
| 17:45.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean look at linux game graphics and then at amiga stuff http://ada.untergrund.net/showdemo.php?demoid=428 |
| 17:46.10 | Enverex | ma3x, He means it works in Windows but not in Linux so he needs to make it sound dark and mysterious so you don't think that people are slacking off from implementing it properly ;) |
| 17:46.19 | xoz | ma3x: some notebook is ok, others not. check your notebook... google for other's if they have same problem |
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| 17:46.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what ? |
| 17:46.24 | haxgen | no, it's a black art. |
| 17:46.25 | haxgen | hehe |
| 17:46.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: amiga isn't dead :) |
| 17:46.35 | x_link | xoz: Isn't apt-get --purge and aptitude purge the same thing then? |
| 17:46.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm undigging adf and dms files using unadf and xdms |
| 17:46.41 | haxgen | ma3x: I know how frustrating it can be. My laptop still only partially functions as far as suspending |
| 17:46.44 | x_link | I thought aptitude was better, so I started using that instead. |
| 17:46.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: it is dead .. end of discussion |
| 17:46.49 | ma3x | others have the problem too but dont know of any solution |
| 17:46.52 | xoz | x_link: supposed to be |
| 17:47.04 | ma3x | check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/33372 |
| 17:47.15 | xoz | x_link: maybe, you installed it using apt-get... no idea |
| 17:47.20 | martoss | how can i start the debian installer in a chroot install via debootstrap? |
| 17:47.22 | x_link | xoz: Okej, but I used apt-get -purge before as well. The file that I installed was always bigger than when I installed it. |
| 17:47.42 | Enverex | abrotman, Erm, not it isn't, AmigaOS 4 came out not so long ago |
| 17:47.50 | martoss | i wanna use it to configure my system |
| 17:47.54 | abrotman | Enverex: dead |
| 17:47.54 | Enverex | abrotman, Although the hardware is very different now |
| 17:47.55 | xoz | x_link: what do you mean? |
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| 17:48.27 | ma3x | haxgen, is it possible because of the fglrx driver? |
| 17:48.30 | ma3x | I'll try with ati once |
| 17:48.49 | mosty | martoss, you have it backwards, the debian installer calls debootstrap, not the other way around |
| 17:48.50 | haxgen | hmm. |
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| 17:48.53 | haxgen | good idea, give it a shot |
| 17:49.00 | x_link | xoz: For example if I install a file opn 600kb, and if I later want to remove it (sudo aptitude purge filename) it for example just removes 440kb. |
| 17:49.02 | xoz | ma3x: your question is more of a hardware/kernel issue. |
| 17:49.08 | haxgen | ma3x: basically, under linux, suspend can be broken or fixed by any software or hardware change, no matter how trivial |
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| 17:49.43 | xoz | x_link: nice obeservation. perhaps, the byte count assumes different counting scheme. |
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| 17:50.00 | ma3x | haxgen, it's supposed to be simple as this echo ram > /sys/power/state something like that ....... |
| 17:50.04 | x_link | xoz: Okej, |
| 17:50.06 | martoss | mosty, i have a system where i can chroot in |
| 17:50.10 | ma3x | let me try again |
| 17:50.11 | x_link | xoz: Thanks for your help! I appreicate it |
| 17:50.35 | haxgen | haha |
| 17:50.37 | haxgen | guess it worked |
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| 17:50.47 | xingu | x_link: don't forget that logfiles grow and config files change too |
| 17:50.48 | xoz | x_link: np. you might as well check feta... you may like it. |
| 17:51.06 | x_link | xoz: What is that and how does it work? |
| 17:51.22 | mosty | martoss, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 17:51.23 | xingu | x_link: what kind of % error are you talking ? |
| 17:51.31 | x_link | Error? |
| 17:51.37 | x_link | I never said anything about any errors. |
| 17:51.43 | xingu | x_link: installed verses de-installed size |
| 17:51.48 | xoz | x_link: it is a front end of apt-get... many features that you may like. |
| 17:51.55 | xingu | x_link: what is the differential as a proportion of installed size? |
| 17:52.14 | martoss | the only problem is, that dovecot installation fails, because of an unknown hostname... |
| 17:52.18 | martoss | but thx for the link |
| 17:52.27 | martoss | i'll try that |
| 17:52.29 | x_link | xingu: When I install a file on let's say 600kb, and if I remove it after 5 min it just removes 440kb for example. |
| 17:52.51 | xingu | x_link: sounds like dependancies are not being removed to me. |
| 17:52.53 | mosty | martoss, you have to chroot in, then write the hostname to /etc/hostname |
| 17:53.04 | x_link | xingu: Alright. |
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| 17:53.17 | martoss | mosty, did that already |
| 17:53.20 | xoz | x_link: yeah, maybe dependency. feta can remove also dependency. |
| 17:53.21 | xingu | x_link: compare dpkg --get-selections before and after |
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| 17:54.07 | wftl | Hello all. When downloading the KDE Etch CD, is the default package manager (graphical, that is) Kpackage? |
| 17:54.15 | wftl | I don't see Adept there. |
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| 17:54.29 | mosty | martoss, then "hostname" inside the chroot should show the hostname? if not, you probably haven't created /etc/hosts yet |
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| 17:54.34 | ma3x | haxgen, it says something about usbdev2.1 |
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| 17:54.37 | ma3x | sounds familiar? |
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| 17:54.50 | mystic_source | Hello :) |
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| 17:55.09 | martoss | fritz:/usr/share/doc/debian-installer# cat /etc/hosts |
| 17:55.09 | martoss | 127.0.0.1 localhost fritzboxdeb |
| 17:55.24 | martoss | fritz:/usr/share/doc/debian-installer# cat /etc/hostname |
| 17:55.24 | martoss | fritzboxdeb |
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| 17:56.15 | xand | martoss: don't paste |
| 17:56.24 | martoss | xand, ok |
| 17:56.38 | xand | martoss: also, if your IP is static your hosts file is wrong |
| 17:56.46 | xoz | martoss: type hostname inside chroot. does it return fritzboxdeb? |
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| 17:56.50 | martoss | is there a line limit, or a general don't |
| 17:56.59 | x_link | xoz: feta install "filename". Does it work likethat? |
| 17:57.02 | xand | !paste |
| 17:57.02 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC or if those are not working, ask me about <pastebin> for other options |
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| 17:57.30 | martoss | xand, ok |
| 17:57.31 | xoz | x_link: yep and you can use complex regex |
| 17:57.37 | x_link | ok |
| 17:57.48 | martoss | hostname returns fritzboxdeb |
| 17:57.48 | x_link | And feta purge "filename" to remove things |
| 17:57.55 | x_link | xoz: I might try that. |
| 17:58.04 | xoz | x_link: it can purge all libs and configs that are orphans. |
| 17:58.11 | martoss | and the dovecot installscript says hostname: Unknown host |
| 17:58.21 | xoz | x_link: to save space and clean your packages |
| 17:58.27 | martoss | xand, what's wrong with it? |
| 17:58.41 | xand | martoss: I doubt your hostname should resolve to 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:58.59 | martoss | hmm ok |
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| 17:59.11 | martoss | but i don't wanna reconfigure network interfaces into chroot |
| 17:59.22 | xoz | x_link: but mostly, use aptitude. |
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| 18:00.10 | mosty | martoss, how do you expect dovecot to communicate outside the chroot then? |
| 18:00.20 | x_link | xoz: Okej. |
| 18:00.38 | martoss | mosty, i thought about trying it via loopback first |
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| 18:01.07 | phasegen | I just did a default install of etch, started adding a couple of user accounts, and I'd like to know why there is a user account for "nobody" and is it okay to delete? |
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| 18:01.24 | tarzeau | phasegen: no |
| 18:01.35 | martoss | phasegen, nobody is used for many daemons as an unprivileged account |
| 18:01.38 | xand | phasegen: because there's meant to be, and don't delete it |
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| 18:01.47 | xand | phasegen: the same applies to other things in /etc/passwd |
| 18:02.03 | xoz | phasegen: nobody is VIP in linux |
| 18:02.12 | JosefAssad | ehm ehm... |
| 18:02.34 | ustunozgur | ma3x: what is the problem? I was away, so didn't see it. |
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| 18:02.54 | phasegen | ahhh, okay... Just so it isn't a leftover from testing that slipped in. |
| 18:03.33 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.45 | wftl | Hmm, no adept or synaptic in the repositories |
| 18:03.49 | tarzeau | xingu: huh? |
| 18:03.55 | tarzeau | !RTSL |
| 18:03.56 | xingu | everything installed here has a dedicated user account. |
| 18:04.00 | martoss | xrand and mosty, thx for your tips it'S working now |
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| 18:04.30 | xingu | it's been over a year since a nobody-owned process last showed up in my audit trails too. |
| 18:05.17 | xingu | ok, so I don't exactly go out of my way to install the whole damn pool, but even so |
| 18:05.40 | xoz | nobody is a legacy. |
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| 18:07.06 | phasegen | all I know is nobody has a user account and a password |
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| 18:07.30 | jelly-home | I know folks who have accounts and passwords |
| 18:07.37 | abrotman | phasegen: don't delete that account |
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| 18:08.03 | mosty | phasegen, it has a password? |
| 18:08.24 | phasegen | it shows to |
| 18:08.43 | xoz | nobody:*:13634:0:99999:7::: |
| 18:08.49 | phasegen | about eight characters |
| 18:08.53 | xoz | in /etc/shadow |
| 18:09.15 | mosty | phasegen, it shouldn't, neither in /etc/password nor /etc/shadow |
| 18:09.43 | xoz | phasegen: you've been owned by nobody!!! |
| 18:10.07 | xingu | xoz: I bet nobody loves him |
| 18:10.35 | phasegen | damnit, they probably like my exwife too... :( |
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| 18:10.49 | ma3x | haxgen, there? |
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| 18:11.50 | ishan | :-) |
| 18:12.08 | jelly-home | what about nobody4? :-) |
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| 18:12.38 | xoz | !nobody |
| 18:12.38 | dpkg | i guess nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privs. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privs. |
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| 18:12.59 | jelly-home | nobody4:x:65534:65534:SunOS 4.x Nobody:/: |
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| 18:13.29 | xingu | jelly-home: that was back when openness was in, and systems were incompatible. :) |
| 18:13.34 | xoz | for SunOS 5.x, it will nobody5 |
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| 18:14.09 | xitron | Hey |
| 18:14.10 | xingu | xoz: no, for 5.x it is nobody uid=60001 |
| 18:14.11 | jelly-home | xoz: no, for SunOS 5, nobody's uid was changed to 60001 |
| 18:14.19 | jelly-home | !win xingu |
| 18:14.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:15.30 | jelly-home | how much memory and cpu is needed for KDE (3.5.5) not to be sluggish? |
| 18:15.48 | xingu | jelly-home: rule of thumb is whatever you're currently got, and another .5G |
| 18:17.00 | xingu | sysvr4 nobody's beating up bsd nobody's, nfs, uid mapping, oh happy memories |
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| 18:17.37 | jelly-home | and why does linux have bsd's nobody uid? |
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| 18:17.48 | xoz | OS X: nobody:*:-2:-2:Unprivileged User:/:/usr/bin/false |
| 18:18.03 | jelly-home | xoz: that's actually nice. |
| 18:18.08 | xingu | jelly-home: probably bought it from minix would be my ungoogled-guess |
| 18:18.26 | xoz | should be underprivileged |
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| 18:20.24 | Sazpaimon | alright, think someone can give ma a hand with getting my internet working again? |
| 18:20.37 | Sazpaimon | DHCP works, but I can't resolve hostnames or ping IPs |
| 18:20.37 | xoz | Sazpaimon: we are listening..... |
| 18:20.54 | xoz | Sazpaimon: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:20.54 | haxgen | ma3x: hey, I'm back |
| 18:21.04 | Sazpaimon | my nameservers are in there |
| 18:21.23 | Sazpaimon | even so, that wouldnt explain why pinging an IP gives me a network unreachable error |
| 18:21.59 | xoz | Sazpaimon: sure dhcp works? dhcp server is in another machine? |
| 18:22.05 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 18:22.16 | xoz | Sazpaimon: can you ping that machine? |
| 18:22.16 | Sazpaimon | its using dhclinent3 |
| 18:22.38 | xoz | Sazpaimon: check netmask and broadcast |
| 18:22.44 | mosty | Sazpaimon, are your routes correct? |
| 18:23.09 | Sazpaimon | hold on, let me log into my serial console |
| 18:23.17 | xoz | Sazpaimon: try static address first then ping that remote machine |
| 18:23.27 | Sazpaimon | it was working earlier, but then i upgraded to etch |
| 18:23.28 | xoz | Sazpaimon: might be error in your dhcp server config |
| 18:23.48 | xoz | Sazpaimon: also try pump -i <eth#> |
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| 18:24.29 | xingu | Sazpaimon: pastebin ip a s; ip r s |
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| 18:24.49 | InsomniaCity | Hi! I'm having some trouble with getting wget to respect my http_proxy and HTTP_PROXY env. var settings - can anyone help? |
| 18:24.50 | xand | hi InsomniaCity |
| 18:24.55 | InsomniaCity | hey xand |
| 18:25.06 | InsomniaCity | xand: make it work? :P |
| 18:25.10 | xoz | InsomniaCity: exported the env vars? |
| 18:25.13 | InsomniaCity | yup |
| 18:25.45 | xoz | show us the exact line of export |
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| 18:25.51 | xand | InsomniaCity: is your mail working now? :P |
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| 18:26.38 | InsomniaCity | xoz: aha, got confused between tabs :( |
| 18:26.44 | InsomniaCity | xoz: at times lol |
| 18:26.47 | InsomniaCity | *xand |
| 18:27.11 | xoz | ok |
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| 18:27.28 | ma3x | if anyone's interested I've found out the problem of suspend/hibernate |
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| 18:27.51 | xoz | let me guess... |
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| 18:28.11 | xoz | not enough space!!! |
| 18:28.22 | robin_sz | move a wall? |
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| 18:28.42 | ustunozgur | ma3x, what is the solution? |
| 18:28.43 | jelly-home | no... I bet it's crappy implementation in Linux! :-) |
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| 18:29.01 | karsten | InsomniaCity: export http_proxy=<value> |
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| 18:29.08 | karsten | InsomniaCity: should work |
| 18:29.08 | ma3x | ustunozgur, a few days ago I've compiled a module for my wireless ( RT2500 ) |
| 18:29.22 | InsomniaCity | karsten: ta - I had tabs confused :( |
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| 18:29.30 | xoz | export http_proxy="<http://host:port>" |
| 18:29.47 | ustunozgur | ma3x, btw have you solved the plugin problem in 64 bits? |
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| 18:29.54 | ma3x | ustunozgur, yes, I installed chroot |
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| 18:30.23 | ma3x | ustunozgur, and 32bit skype and iceweasel with flash plugin |
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| 18:30.30 | nomad_cz | Why is not SLEEP BUTTON generating ACPI event ? POWER and LID work ok :/ HP nx6325 |
| 18:31.13 | ma3x | nomad_cz, fn+sleep or you have separate sleep button? |
| 18:31.35 | ma3x | ustunozgur, I do rmmod rt2500 and I can successfully hibernate and suspend |
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| 18:31.52 | ustunozgur | I don't have reliable hibernation. sometimes it works. sometimes it doesn't. |
| 18:31.54 | xoz | separate button is a problem |
| 18:31.59 | jelly-home | dvs: I jus think everyone should use Suspend2 and get over it |
| 18:32.07 | simonrvn | ma3x: you could probably script that. i think there's a facility for that |
| 18:32.08 | ma3x | ustunozgur, does it generate strace or what? |
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| 18:32.18 | ma3x | simonrvn, script what? the hibernation and suspend? |
| 18:32.21 | Sazpaimon | alright im back |
| 18:32.35 | simonrvn | the modprobe -r / rmmod |
| 18:32.46 | ustunozgur | ma3x, how can I check? It starts the process, then suddenly turns back to X. |
| 18:32.51 | Sazpaimon | [11:23] <xoz> Sazpaimon: also try pump -i <eth#> |
| 18:32.51 | xoz | ma3x: acpi scripte to remove module and reload it after wake-up. pre and post ops |
| 18:32.54 | Sazpaimon | [11:23] <xoz> Sazpaimon: also try pump -i <eth#> |
| 18:32.55 | Sazpaimon | err |
| 18:32.59 | Sazpaimon | -bash: pump: command not found |
| 18:33.13 | xoz | Sazpaimon: apt-get install pump |
| 18:33.14 | Mark_Iron | Hi ... I need help refer to d-i ... I would like to preseed the the installation like: "base-config base-config/late_command string apt-get -y install openssh-server" .. BUT ... this line seems to be ignored during the installation .. however other lines like automatic partitioning of the hard disk drive works ... any idea? .. thank you in advance ! ;-) |
| 18:33.26 | Sazpaimon | xoz, that's gonna be a toughie |
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| 18:33.33 | ma3x | simonrvn, something like rmmod rt2500 && echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 18:33.35 | Sazpaimon | no net access, remember? |
| 18:33.38 | ma3x | that's what you mean? |
| 18:33.50 | simonrvn | see what xoz sais |
| 18:33.50 | ma3x | xoz, how would I do that? |
| 18:33.53 | simonrvn | said* |
| 18:33.58 | Sazpaimon | xingu |
| 18:33.59 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/474256 |
| 18:34.04 | ma3x | is there a script where I could add that |
| 18:34.08 | ma3x | or I should make a new script |
| 18:34.18 | xoz | ma3x: check acpi scripts in the /usr/share/doc/acpi... there is an example |
| 18:34.20 | ma3x | as I don't know what scripts are executed upon resume |
| 18:34.22 | simonrvn | see the acpi package stuff |
| 18:34.45 | xoz | Sazpaimon: then settle for dhclient |
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| 18:34.47 | nomad_cz | ma3x: fn +f3 |
| 18:34.47 | JimmyJo23 | Hi |
| 18:34.48 | ma3x | bash: cd: /usr/share/doc/acpi: No such file or directory |
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| 18:35.30 | JimmyJo23 | I have an massiv problem! i have installed debian lenny net install and mini kde (kdebase) and kpdf now i havent any fonts in my pdf files! only the pictures |
| 18:35.39 | xoz | Sazpaimon: make sure static address works to rule out hw. then, check the config after dhcp gets the ip. make sure netmask and broadcast and gateway addr are ok. |
| 18:35.48 | jelly-home | xoz: /me sees no examples in /usr/share/doc/acpi ... which package? |
| 18:36.01 | JimmyJo23 | (in full kde install (apt-get install kde) i have fonts) |
| 18:36.07 | nomad_cz | ma3x: I do use lineak so I have managed to use it anyway but it's just strange :/ |
| 18:36.16 | JimmyJo23 | does somebody now witch packet faildes? |
| 18:36.24 | Sazpaimon | also, http://pastebin.ca/474261 |
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| 18:36.36 | Sazpaimon | that's my output of restarting networking |
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| 18:37.03 | gfgf | hi |
| 18:37.07 | xoz | jelly-home: yeah, not anymore. |
| 18:37.11 | gfgf | savemymama.com what is it? |
| 18:37.11 | xoz | jelly-home: let me check |
| 18:37.58 | jelly-home | though stuff in /etc/acpi looks vaguely promising |
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| 18:38.10 | ma3x | xoz, sorry got dc what did you say? |
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| 18:38.25 | JimmyJo23 | noone any ideas?? |
| 18:38.47 | xoz | ma3x: jelly-home: something similar to this package, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/acpi-support |
| 18:39.02 | xoz | don't know if etch has this... |
| 18:39.11 | ma3x | it has it |
| 18:39.14 | ma3x | I've got it installed |
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| 18:39.24 | grendal_prime | what user does debian have in place of the apache user? |
| 18:39.28 | grendal_prime | www-data? |
| 18:39.36 | jelly-home | xoz: hmm, I don't like the Conflicts: uswsusp (<= 0.2) part |
| 18:39.37 | xoz | ma3x: locate the /usr/share/doc/acpi-support |
| 18:39.38 | Mark_Iron | what is the channel of debian developers ? |
| 18:40.01 | xoz | jelly-home: heh |
| 18:40.09 | ma3x | xoz, changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright README |
| 18:40.10 | Sazpaimon | xoz, I set up a static address, still not resolving IPs |
| 18:40.17 | ma3x | 2 lines in the readme |
| 18:40.37 | jelly-home | Mark_Iron: hm, for problems with d-i, maybe #debian-boot at OFTC |
| 18:40.48 | xoz | Sazpaimon: pastebin both ips and netmasks. can you ping to you local ip? |
| 18:40.49 | JimmyJo23 | please its very important for me! |
| 18:40.57 | Mark_Iron | thank ypu jelly-home ! ;-) |
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| 18:41.00 | Mark_Iron | you |
| 18:41.08 | Sazpaimon | 64 bytes from 74.208.47.186: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.065 ms |
| 18:41.09 | ma3x | jelly-home, it has no docs |
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| 18:41.10 | Sazpaimon | yep |
| 18:41.48 | xoz | ma3x: /etc/acpi/events |
| 18:41.55 | Sazpaimon | xoz, by that you mean my iface line |
| 18:42.12 | tacit | is the signature checking of apt sources enabled by default? |
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| 18:42.35 | Sazpaimon | or my ifconfig output? |
| 18:42.37 | xoz | Sazpaimon: yep. remote and local info to check if they are in the same network |
| 18:42.42 | xoz | Sazpaimon: ifconfig |
| 18:42.51 | Sazpaimon | ok |
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| 18:42.58 | xoz | Sazpaimon: make sure cable is ok |
| 18:43.14 | scrillaz | trying to copy my music from windows using smbclient but it says object not found |
| 18:43.32 | scrillaz | i wonder if is because of the space between my and music |
| 18:43.49 | Sazpaimon | xoz, this is a remote server |
| 18:43.51 | Sazpaimon | http://pastebin.ca/474270 |
| 18:44.07 | Sazpaimon | there's the output of ifconfig |
| 18:44.11 | xoz | scrillaz: try a simple filename |
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| 18:44.24 | lyattal | could someone help me with snmp real quick? |
| 18:44.32 | xoz | Sazpaimon: and the other end? |
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| 18:44.38 | scrillaz | well i want to at least cd to my music |
| 18:44.39 | lyattal | for some reason i can snmpwalk.. local host fine |
| 18:44.42 | Sazpaimon | xoz, hm? |
| 18:44.48 | Sazpaimon | what other end? |
| 18:44.52 | lyattal | BUT when i try to snmpwal kthe IP it timesout ?!?!?! |
| 18:44.57 | xoz | your dhcp server |
| 18:45.00 | Sazpaimon | oh |
| 18:45.05 | ma3x | xoz, what even is suspend and hibernate? |
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| 18:45.07 | Sazpaimon | i dont have access to the dhcp server |
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| 18:45.30 | scrillaz | but i can't even if i can see my music |
| 18:45.43 | xoz | Sazpaimon: broadcast and netmask are wrong i think |
| 18:45.44 | Sazpaimon | even so, I dont really want dhcp anyway |
| 18:45.47 | ValiSystM | hello |
| 18:46.00 | Sazpaimon | oh? |
| 18:46.02 | Sazpaimon | how should it be |
| 18:46.21 | xoz | inet addr:74.208.47.186 Bcast:74.208.47.186 Mask:255.255.255.255, very wrong |
| 18:46.43 | ma3x | xoz, I can't write a script, I have no clue |
| 18:46.47 | Sazpaimon | what would be a better way, then |
| 18:46.47 | ValiSystM | i can't figure out how making ipmasq scipts activate the firewall rules i added in /etc/ipmasq/rules |
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| 18:47.07 | xoz | Sazpaimon: can you check you dhcp server ifconfig? |
| 18:47.24 | Sazpaimon | like I said, I dont have access to the dhcp server |
| 18:47.28 | xoz | Sazpaimon: or any other comp ifconfig within your network |
| 18:47.30 | Sazpaimon | this is a dedicated server |
| 18:47.42 | ValiSystM | i copied, paste and modifed [AIO]80firewall.rul, but i have no new rules in iptables |
| 18:47.52 | Sazpaimon | but, I DO have another server with the compamy |
| 18:47.55 | xoz | Sazpaimon: is this class A/B or C addressing? |
| 18:47.59 | Sazpaimon | *company |
| 18:48.03 | xoz | Sazpaimon: check ifconfig |
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| 18:48.14 | xoz | Sazpaimon: of the other server. |
| 18:48.20 | Nemoder | Is there a good graphical ping/trace program for debian like pingplotter for windows? |
| 18:48.48 | xoz | Sazpaimon: broadcast should end in 255 and network end in 0 except if there is subnetting involved |
| 18:49.01 | Sazpaimon | xoz, eth0:0 is inet addr:82.165.178.70 Bcast:82.165.178.70 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 18:49.09 | ma3x | simonrvn, can you help me out ? |
| 18:49.36 | xoz | can you ping this machine from your computer? |
| 18:49.53 | Sazpaimon | yes, this machine can access the outside internet |
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| 18:50.33 | xoz | Sazpaimon: can you ping from your computer to the other machine? |
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| 18:50.56 | Sazpaimon | i can ssh into it |
| 18:51.00 | ma3x | where do I put the rmmod rt2500 ? |
| 18:51.03 | Sazpaimon | so if I can do that I can ping it |
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| 18:51.36 | xoz | Sazpaimon: yes. what does traceroute www.google.com outputs? |
| 18:52.07 | Enverex | Does anyone here have UT2004, Doom 3, Doom 3 RoE or Quake 4 installed? |
| 18:52.20 | Sazpaimon | let me first apt-get traceroute |
| 18:52.32 | Nemoder | Enverex: yes |
| 18:52.49 | Enverex | Nemoder, Can you send me the .desktop files for them please? |
| 18:53.03 | Sazpaimon | xoz, it's hopping |
| 18:53.05 | ma3x | xoz, if you dont help me, I'll DoS the machine ;p |
| 18:53.39 | xoz | Sazpaimon: it seems that your router is the problem. |
| 18:53.47 | kramed | icons depend on your window manager/environment |
| 18:53.49 | xoz | ma3x: forget about the script. |
| 18:54.00 | Enverex | kramed, No, these don't |
| 18:54.06 | xoz | ma3x: you can google for examples, though. |
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| 18:54.16 | itrebal_ | ma3x: I warn you, Freenode takes DoS's seriously |
| 18:54.20 | Sazpaimon_ | awesome |
| 18:54.23 | Sazpaimon_ | [11:52] <Sazpaimon> xoz, it's hopping |
| 18:54.29 | Sazpaimon_ | do you want the full output? |
| 18:54.36 | ma3x | xoz, what do I type in google. the thing is I don't know what is being executed when I do suspend and what is being executed when I do unsuspend |
| 18:54.45 | Nemoder | Enverex: I'm not sure where they are |
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| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | itrebal: he'll dos his own machine! |
| 18:54.56 | ma3x | xoz, where are those scripts to be put at? |
| 18:54.59 | xoz | ma3x: /etc/acpi/events/ and read acpi docs. |
| 18:55.03 | Enverex | Nemoder, /usr/share/icons I think... let me check |
| 18:55.17 | nomad_cz | ma3x: what are u trying to do ? |
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| 18:55.26 | ma3x | xoz, /etc/acpi/events has scripts for if I press the sleep button or mute but not if I do echo ram > /sys/power/state |
| 18:55.27 | xoz | ma3x: there are examples... apt-cache apt for other possible helpful packages |
| 18:55.42 | Sazpaimon_ | I did say this JUST started happening when I rebooted after upgrading to etch right? |
| 18:55.44 | dallaspulla | what is command to remove users ?' |
| 18:55.48 | Sazpaimon_ | so I dont blame this on the hardware |
| 18:55.52 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's why you don't do echo > /sys/power/state directly |
| 18:56.10 | ma3x | jelly-home, klaptopdaemon does it for me |
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| 18:56.25 | jelly-home | ma3x: but use a script, like hibernate, or stuff from uswsusp package |
| 18:56.39 | xoz | Sazpaimon_: ok. static does not work. your dhcp server provides ip. can you show what is the ip dhcp server provides? |
| 18:56.40 | Sazpaimon | xoz, any idea? |
| 18:56.42 | Enverex | Nemoder, /usr/share/applications/ |
| 18:56.53 | Sazpaimon | xoz, the same IP as my static |
| 18:56.53 | ma3x | jelly-home, you mean these pacakges have scripts and klaptopdaemon can't do that, right? |
| 18:56.56 | Enverex | Nemoder, in there somewhere |
| 18:57.06 | nomad_cz | ma3x: hibernate works for me |
| 18:57.07 | jelly-home | ma3x: so look into klaptopdaemon's documentation, I guess |
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| 18:57.13 | Alarm | hello, is this supposed to be the new version of webmin or i did something wrong : http://alarm.homelinux.com/back1.jpg ? |
| 18:57.35 | Nemoder | Enverex: I don't have any commercial game .desktop files in there |
| 18:57.39 | xoz | Sazpaimon: dhcp server was not updated/upgraded? only your machine? so, the problem is your machine only? |
| 18:57.40 | nomad_cz | ma3x: but i do not use s2ram - my video will not awake |
| 18:57.52 | Sazpaimon | ...what? |
| 18:58.00 | Enverex | Nemoder, They should be inside there or a subfolder of there... |
| 18:58.09 | ma3x | nomad_cz, the hibernate package? |
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| 18:59.25 | Nemoder | Enverex: I use XFCE and created most of my own icons, I don't see any commercial game .desktop files on my system anywhere |
| 18:59.35 | xlotlu | is it possible to make a pinning rule for releases different from debian? |
| 18:59.44 | Sazpaimon | xoz, what are you asking me? |
| 18:59.48 | Enverex | Nemoder, Did you install those games with the official installers? |
| 18:59.52 | xoz | Sazpaimon: you haven't upgraded/updated the dhcp server? |
| 18:59.54 | Nemoder | Enverex: yes |
| 19:00.04 | nomad_cz | ma3x: yep |
| 19:00.05 | Sazpaimon | im pretty sure dist-upgrade upgraded it |
| 19:00.10 | Sazpaimon | but see, I dont WANT to use dhcp anyway |
| 19:00.14 | Enverex | Nemoder, It installs them somewhere... >.< |
| 19:00.21 | Kevin` | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 19:00.21 | Kevin` | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 19:00.22 | xoz | Sazpaimon: both the dhcp server and dhcp client? |
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| 19:00.43 | Sazpaimon | xoz, i dont have a dhcp server |
| 19:00.51 | Sazpaimon | not locally that is |
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| 19:00.58 | xoz | Sazpaimon: ok |
| 19:01.15 | enouf | Kevin`: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 19:01.17 | xoz | Sazpaimon: what is the output of traceroute |
| 19:01.29 | Sazpaimon | xoz, on the machine that works? |
| 19:01.34 | xoz | Sazpaimon: what is the address of the first hop |
| 19:01.43 | xoz | Sazpaimon: in your machine and the other machine |
| 19:01.45 | Enverex | Does Freenode have a Linux gaming channel? |
| 19:01.50 | Sazpaimon | well, first off |
| 19:01.59 | Sazpaimon | I cant traceroute if I cant resolve or ping |
| 19:02.04 | Nemoder | Enverex: locate .desktop | grep -i quake ..returns nothing, and I know I used the official quake4 installer and patch |
| 19:02.16 | Sazpaimon | secondly, I dont have traceroute installed on the machine that DOES work |
| 19:02.20 | xoz | Sazpaimon: ok. |
| 19:02.27 | Enverex | Nemoder, It's probably not named that, hrm, can't think what though |
| 19:02.28 | blinx | I installed grml on my usb stick (on one ext3 partition)# |
| 19:02.39 | Sazpaimon | but on the machine that DOES work, the address of the first hop is 10.255.255.253 |
| 19:02.55 | enouf | Kevin`: basically do gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ADB11277 ; gpg --export ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 19:02.58 | blinx | now I want to make it bootable. I already set the bootable flag with cfdisk |
| 19:03.09 | Sazpaimon | followed by vl-993.gw-core-a.whn.oneandone.net |
| 19:03.20 | xoz | Sazpaimon: can you copy the same config with the other machine... assume the same ip address and check if you can ping |
| 19:03.44 | xoz | Sazpaimon: use same ip, netmask, broadcast, and gateway address |
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| 19:03.50 | Sazpaimon | i dont see how that work work, i believe the machines are in different datacenters |
| 19:03.51 | Sazpaimon | but ok |
| 19:04.00 | jelly-home | blinx: has you installed a mbr? |
| 19:04.21 | Przemcio78 | hi, is it wise to use debian sid? |
| 19:04.32 | jelly-home | Przemcio78: no :-) |
| 19:04.33 | dvs | Przemcio78: only if you know what you're doing |
| 19:05.00 | blinx | jelly-home: I don't know |
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| 19:05.04 | Nemoder | Enverex: well here's some icon files anyway: http://aslan.homelinux.com/dana/icons/ |
| 19:05.15 | teksimian | how do i disable ipv6 here? |
| 19:05.25 | r3c4ll | Somebody has configured a GC85 Sony Ericsson pcmcia wireless modem? |
| 19:05.26 | Enverex | Nemoder, I need icons and the .desktop files... |
| 19:05.28 | xoz | Sazpaimon: ah, different network... yeah, it will not work. |
| 19:05.33 | minus198 | Hi.. What do you recommend? Debian Lenny or Etch? |
| 19:05.45 | dvs | minus198: etch |
| 19:05.48 | minus198 | Ok.. |
| 19:05.50 | xoz | Sazpaimon: try a livecd and check if you can ping. |
| 19:05.51 | r3c4ll | Somebody has configured a GC85 Sony Ericsson pcmcia wireless modem... it is GSM? |
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| 19:05.53 | jelly-home | blinx: anyway, ask in #grml ... this channel is for Debian |
| 19:05.54 | minus198 | I'll download that then |
| 19:06.00 | Przemcio78 | dvs: you mean not installing everything apt-get upgrade gives? |
| 19:06.01 | minus198 | *poff* |
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| 19:06.11 | xoz | Sazpaimon: might be a hardware problem... ethernet problem. |
| 19:06.11 | Sazpaimon | xoz, this is in a datacenter |
| 19:06.18 | Sazpaimon | it isnt my physical machine |
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| 19:06.33 | Sazpaimon | xoz, this happened when I restarted after upgrading to etch |
| 19:06.40 | dvs | Przemcio78: no, I mean getting your system to work again even though dpkg is not working, for example |
| 19:06.41 | Sazpaimon | i doubt it's harware related |
| 19:06.46 | xoz | Sazpaimon: ok. |
| 19:06.46 | r3c4ll | Somebody has configured a GC85 Sony Ericsson pcmcia wireless modem... it is GSM? |
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| 19:07.11 | dvs | !tell r3c4ll -about repeat |
| 19:07.16 | xoz | Sazpaimon: le us assume software. static address does not work. are you sure this is a valid ip? |
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| 19:07.29 | Sazpaimon | xoz, it's the IP that was assigned to me in my control panel |
| 19:07.35 | Sazpaimon | xoz, if it will make you feel better, I'll re-imae the server with sarge |
| 19:07.39 | minus198 | Back again. What should i use? i386, Im on a E6600 Core 2 Duo |
| 19:07.46 | Sazpaimon | *re-image |
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| 19:07.55 | dvs | minus198: yes |
| 19:08.00 | minus198 | ok. Thx |
| 19:08.13 | xoz | Sazpaimon: yeah. isolate whether due to upgrade or other things. |
| 19:08.16 | Takieda | ever since I installed Debian I've had troubles with my touchpad. It basically works, but I can't change any functions on it. I can't enable tapping, or scrolling, and I can't get the touchpad to speed up (it takes roughly 15 full length strokes to get the cursor from one side of the screen to the other). |
| 19:08.31 | mark_s | for nfs do I have to enable rpc.lockd and rpc.statd manualy or do they start automatic as soon as I start the nfe-kernel-server? |
| 19:08.32 | minus198 | dvs, the 4.0 is the Etch release right? |
| 19:08.39 | dvs | minus198: yes |
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| 19:09.04 | xoz | !touchpad |
| 19:09.04 | dpkg | hmm... touchpad is Touchpads are usually PS/2, set them up in X on /dev/psaux, proto IMPS/2 |
| 19:09.29 | Takieda | I installed qsynaptics and the ONLY thing it seems to change is whether or not the touchpad is on or off... no other features change anything. |
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| 19:09.40 | DASPRiD | I have created a chroot jail with this script: http://www.fuschlberger.net/programs/ssh-scp-chroot-jail/ ||| However, after creation is done, and I try to su or to login into that account over ssh, I only get "unkown id", but useradd $username tells me, that the user exists. Any ideas? |
| 19:09.56 | xoz | Takieda: apt-cache search touchpad |
| 19:10.19 | minus198 | Can anyone of you guys recommend me how i should Partition my 2 harddrives? 250GB drive 320GB drive and i want ~50GB Partition for Windows. |
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| 19:10.38 | Takieda | the touchpad is already installed... the configuration utility just doesn't work. |
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| 19:11.02 | mutantpineapple | when i install the busybox package, i often can't remove or upgrade certain packages. during removal/upgrade i get the error "invalid option -q" concerning readlink, which refers to busybox a few lines earlier. is this a known problem? |
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| 19:12.03 | Kevin` | minus198 what sort of things will you be doing that will use all that space? I would put /boot (small partition), then swap (1gb or so), then windows, then /, on the first one, the second one would depend where you need the spsace |
| 19:12.14 | Dave_is_sexy | Takieda: can i ask what config utility you're using? i have yet to do this |
| 19:12.23 | minus198 | Kevin`, You mean the Windows partition or what? |
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| 19:12.41 | Kevin` | yes I mean the windows partition by windows :) |
| 19:12.53 | minus198 | I use windows for games.. |
| 19:13.05 | Takieda | Dave: I'm using gsynaptics... as far as I can tell, it's the one I need... it's based on Qsynaptics, specifically for Gnome... there's also KSynaptics for KDE |
| 19:13.08 | Kevin` | what will you be using all that space for though |
| 19:13.11 | minus198 | I'm going to dreamhack this summer and then i need to have some games |
| 19:13.22 | Takieda | but, as I said, it does nothing on my system |
| 19:13.36 | minus198 | Kevin`, The installed games take alot of space |
| 19:13.39 | Takieda | aside from turning the touchpad on and off... (nice feature, at least) |
| 19:13.40 | DASPRiD | Does nobody has an idea about my jail problem? |
| 19:14.01 | edju | Could it be a hardware problem where some commercial dvds will neither mount nor play while others will do both? All used to work flawlessly. |
| 19:14.06 | minus198 | Vanguard, 20GB CS:S and CD 1.6 and stuff |
| 19:14.17 | Kevin` | minus198 oh, I thought you wanted 50gb only for windows. well. I would then put a fat32 partition on a portion of the second drive for games |
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| 19:14.50 | minus198 | I want a partition thats 50GB with windows and the games |
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| 19:14.58 | blinx | jelly-home: syslinux doesn't work with extX, only with FAT, I need an alternative boot loader. Which one you can recommend? |
| 19:14.58 | minus198 | Then the rest for Linux |
| 19:15.04 | Takieda | (on a side note) does anyone here use a tablet in debian? |
| 19:15.04 | minus198 | Linux and warezz :P |
| 19:15.09 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: ta. i installed gsynaptics but it refuses to start until i delete something else. then when i searched gsynaptics on apt, it said it was an alias for synaptics package manager. so i'm stuck. scrolling with the touchpad, and turning off tap to click are musts for me |
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| 19:15.24 | Kevin` | disk0(250gb): 100mb /boot primary, 1gb swap primary, 50gb windows primary, remaining -200gb / logical. drive1(300gb?): 100gb? fat32, remaining however |
| 19:15.35 | Takieda | Dave: I need tap to click on forme.. heh. |
| 19:15.46 | Dave_is_sexy | lol :) |
| 19:15.48 | Takieda | Dave: which window manager are you running? |
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| 19:16.00 | minus198 | why fat32 Kevin` ? |
| 19:16.05 | minus198 | Isn't ext3 better? |
| 19:16.13 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: xfwm at the moment |
| 19:16.18 | Kevin` | minus198 I thought you wanted extra space for windows games :) |
| 19:16.29 | Kevin` | if 50gb is enough, then back to "whatever you want" for the second disk |
| 19:16.34 | minus198 | Kevin`, 50GB is enough i guesss |
| 19:16.37 | minus198 | -s |
| 19:16.56 | Takieda | Dave: well then I think you'll either need either qsynaptics or tpconfig... gsynaptics is supposed to be for gnome, afaik |
| 19:17.04 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: you can actually use ntfs pretty reliably now with nfts-3g. it rules |
| 19:17.35 | Kevin` | no reason to use ntfs though for game installs. for the system drive of windows xp (or vista) you'd want to use ntfs though |
| 19:17.35 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, :O |
| 19:17.36 | Takieda | you will have to add an extra line in xorg.inf for it to work at all though... |
| 19:17.39 | Kevin` | jasdfasdklasdg;laksj |
| 19:17.40 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: oh right. cheers for that. isn't qsynaptics a kde-thing |
| 19:17.58 | Takieda | Dave: no...ksynaptics is the KDE flavor of Q |
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| 19:18.19 | minus198 | Hm.. I think i'll stick to EXT3 XD |
| 19:18.24 | Dave_is_sexy | takeida: hmm. i thought q was the language of k? |
| 19:18.28 | minus198 | I'm a noob.. So.. |
| 19:18.29 | minus198 | :P |
| 19:18.35 | Kevin` | for linux? of course ext3 |
| 19:18.47 | Takieda | Dave: dunno... I'm just learning Linux... but Qsynaptics is based on Qt, whatever that is... |
| 19:18.51 | Kevin` | reiser, xfs, and whatnot work too, but I like ext3 |
| 19:19.05 | Dave_is_sexy | while we're talking about filesystems, i was just looking at reiser4. looks nice. any reason not to use it? |
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| 19:19.35 | Kevin` | it's new :) |
| 19:19.50 | ftd | Is there software that takes as input the output of a configure command and then installs all the required libraries? |
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| 19:20.25 | minus198 | Does someone know why its so slow to read from ext3 to ntfs. With other words linux to windows |
| 19:20.38 | Kevin` | ftd this isn't an answer specifically to your question, but for any debian program, you can use apt-get build-dep package to install all the dependencies needed to build package |
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| 19:20.53 | ftd | Kevin`: yes, I know that |
| 19:21.12 | Kevin` | minus198 using windows for writing to ntfs or using linux |
| 19:21.33 | minus198 | Using windows and reading from the linuxpartition. |
| 19:21.46 | Kevin` | using which ext3 driver in windows |
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| 19:22.02 | Kevin` | I haven't tested performance with many of those |
| 19:22.05 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: oh i used to do that. with a er... ex2/3 driver yeah? |
| 19:22.09 | minus198 | i downloaded som program. |
| 19:22.22 | Kevin` | maybe some program you have reads slowly? :) |
| 19:22.32 | Takieda | Dave: have you at least been able to speed up your touchpad? |
| 19:22.43 | dvs | minus198: I'd rather share a fat partition |
| 19:23.09 | minus198 | dvs, ok.. |
| 19:23.18 | minus198 | But thats not suitable for me.. |
| 19:23.26 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: kevin is right, it is the program. there is a much better solution availabel as a driver. i forget the name, but it's pretty easy to find these days. google "windows ex2 driver" |
| 19:23.29 | Enverex | Does Freenode have a Linux gaming channel? |
| 19:23.36 | minus198 | I download alot of movies and fat doeas not support files over 4 gb |
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| 19:23.39 | Kevin` | you could try some of the kernel mode drivers for ext2 in windows, or try writing to ntfs from linux |
| 19:23.48 | xoz | minus198: jfs |
| 19:23.55 | Kevin` | can windows read jfs? |
| 19:24.02 | minus198 | Kevin`, ok... |
| 19:24.05 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: no nothing yet. debian wont let me log in cos it can't rite my authorisation file and isn't smart enought to reserve some space for it |
| 19:24.21 | xoz | jfs deletes large files the fastest.... good for movies |
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| 19:24.37 | Kevin` | I don't think writing to ntfs from linux using the traditional usermode driver will be blazing fast though |
| 19:24.42 | Takieda | yeesh |
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| 19:25.10 | Sweetandy | What's a good port scanner for Debian? |
| 19:25.16 | Kevin` | Sweetandy nmap |
| 19:25.17 | redduck666 | Sweetandy: nmap? |
| 19:25.19 | ma3x | who could help me to edit the hibernate.sh script? |
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| 19:25.24 | minus198 | OFTOPIC here but whatever: Lindsay Lohan: SNORTED 20 lines of cocaine in ONE night alone |
| 19:25.29 | minus198 | You fucking die of that.. |
| 19:25.31 | minus198 | fucking noobs |
| 19:25.31 | Dave_is_sexy | i find ntfs-3g to be fantastic. i haven't done any tests but speeds for file copying seem the same as in win2k |
| 19:25.32 | Takieda | has anyone got their synaptics touchpad to work correctly in Linux? |
| 19:26.02 | concept10 | minus198: how exciting. can I marry her? |
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| 19:26.20 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: wtf. i'm glad i don't know who that is |
| 19:26.24 | minus198 | concept10, i said that i want oftopic XD |
| 19:26.25 | xoz | touchpad success in linux depends on the hw. sharp touchpad seems to work well. |
| 19:26.37 | ma3x | Dave_is_sexy, you're so sexy |
| 19:26.43 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, you dont know who Lindsay Lohan is?! o_O |
| 19:26.48 | Dave_is_sexy | ma3x: :P |
| 19:27.07 | concept10 | who cares? |
| 19:27.12 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: no. she must be on television which i've been trying to avoid for the past few years |
| 19:27.18 | concept10 | especially debian geeks |
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| 19:27.48 | Takieda | xoz: well there're drivers and a setup utility for the synaptics touchpad that I have, and while the touchpad itself works, no extra functions do and I can't set mouse speed or mouse acceleration, nor tapping and scrolling. |
| 19:27.57 | Whamazoom | Is the debian-40r0-xfce-CD.1.iso the same as Xubuntu.. |
| 19:28.05 | Whamazoom | basically? |
| 19:28.08 | atealtha | I'm using the provided Debian kernel 2.6.18-4-686, but dmesg shows the audio module loading then unloading. How can I make it use it? |
| 19:28.10 | redduck666 | Whamazoom: yes. |
| 19:28.17 | Sweetandy | Except one us Debian and one is Ubuntu. |
| 19:28.22 | Dave_is_sexy | anyone know of tools which can restore deleted files, or alternative solutions? |
| 19:28.31 | redduck666 | Whamazoom: although if you look at it closelly you'll find differences |
| 19:28.34 | xoz | Takieda: google for "your touchpad hw using linux" |
| 19:28.36 | minus198 | Sweetandy, Ubuntu is based on Debian so.. XD |
| 19:28.36 | pstickne | Dave_is_sexy, use SCM ;)) |
| 19:28.41 | minus198 | Almost the same |
| 19:28.43 | Dave_is_sexy | whamazoom: no it is totally differnt. xubuntu sets things up much better |
| 19:28.51 | pstickne | Dave_is_sexy, but that doesn't work so well after the fact... :( |
| 19:28.52 | Sweetandy | minus198: Recent slashdot: Ubuntu founder cries in shame at how incompatible it has become with Debian |
| 19:28.56 | Dave_is_sexy | pstickne: i'll take a look |
| 19:28.57 | redduck666 | minus198: no. |
| 19:29.04 | minus198 | Sweetandy, o_O |
| 19:29.05 | Takieda | xoz: I'm actually ON the website for the synaptics drivers... there's just not enough information to fix the problem I have, even though they list ti... |
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| 19:29.17 | Takieda | their instructions don't seem to make enough sense to me. |
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| 19:29.30 | concept10 | Sweetandy: it really doesnt matter. Most distros are incompatible. |
| 19:29.40 | Dave_is_sexy | sweetandy: well he's a Ā£*%$. if he ignores the standard core what does he expect? that is why i use debian |
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| 19:29.56 | Sweetandy | Dave_is_sexy: Woot Debian |
| 19:29.57 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: but ubuntu has no reason to be. |
| 19:29.58 | minus198 | hm.. btw. Do you think i should go with Xubuntu instead of Debian woth XFCE? Is there any diffrenses in speed and such? |
| 19:30.03 | pstickne | Dave_is_sexy, all my documents are hosted on a local SVN repo (with nightly remote backups) and I use that to provide basic protection |
| 19:30.05 | xoz | Takieda: try tuxmobile. my sharp touchpad is ok. it supports scrolling, taps, etc. |
| 19:30.22 | Coweater | minus198: don't ask stupid questions. you're in a debian channel |
| 19:30.30 | minus198 | Coweater, ^^ |
| 19:30.59 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: they have a reason: faster migration in some cases to newer toolchains |
| 19:31.08 | Coweater | and it's a desktop, not exactly the biggest processor hogs |
| 19:31.09 | assasukasse | is there anyone that made touchscreen work under debian? |
| 19:31.16 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: no, (^^ see my thought on ubuntu). but if you use the debian dise, the first thing you want to to is aptitude install ivman network-manager. write that down. now. write it |
| 19:31.19 | minus198 | But still, Is there any diffrence in speed and such things.. Everything is built for Ubuntu these days.. |
| 19:31.25 | Soccrmastr | minus198: Xubuntu has a lot more apps installed. Debian with XFCE works very nicely and quickly, but is not as bloated as Xubuntu |
| 19:31.27 | pstickne | Dave_is_sexy, I thing various FS's like XFS might support uhh... whatever they are called. |
| 19:31.35 | Dave_is_sexy | conceot10: ok, i don't know what that means |
| 19:31.44 | assasukasse | i have a laptop, panasonic cf73, that has touchscreen but i can't make it work |
| 19:31.51 | minus198 | Soccrmastr, Ok.. I see.. |
| 19:31.51 | pstickne | Soccrmastr, I can install 14+GB of debian packages if I really wanted to :p |
| 19:31.59 | assasukasse | minus198: i suggest u give a look to elive |
| 19:32.06 | assasukasse | is debian with enlightenment |
| 19:32.13 | minus198 | ok.. |
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| 19:32.30 | Soccrmastr | assasukasse: have you checked your xorg.conf if it is set up correctly? My lapytop touchpad worked but very slowly, I just neded to add some Options for the touchpad |
| 19:32.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:32.30 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:32.35 | xoz | Takieda: error, http://tuxmobil.org/ |
| 19:32.50 | minus198 | Damn.. I havn't used windows in 2 weeks. Its hard as hell remember wverything |
| 19:33.17 | xoz | minus198: you have alzheimer |
| 19:33.18 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: elive is a live cd |
| 19:33.35 | minus198 | xoz, no.. But still |
| 19:33.49 | minus198 | Ive got used to the XFCE bar at the bottom. |
| 19:34.02 | minus198 | And i have all the windows stuff att the top |
| 19:34.09 | Soccrmastr | guys Im getting this error when trying to extract using tar, it is coming from the -f flag: Cannot No such file or directory |
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| 19:34.19 | Takieda | xoz: soccrmastr: his is touchscreen, not touchpad, I'm having problems with both... (touchscreen and touchpad, or more correctly, tablet pc screen and touchpad) |
| 19:34.24 | debus | hola |
| 19:34.27 | debus | alquien puede ayudarme? |
| 19:34.32 | minus198 | Hm.. That ELIVE thing.. |
| 19:34.36 | minus198 | Is that bar standard |
| 19:34.37 | Soccrmastr | oh ah |
| 19:34.39 | minus198 | That OSX' |
| 19:34.41 | minus198 | thingy |
| 19:34.53 | Takieda | right now I just want a touchpad that works properly... next I'll worry about the wacom tablet part.. |
| 19:35.02 | xoz | Takieda: support for touchscreen may not be stable. |
| 19:35.03 | minus198 | Ow.. i see. I used enluightment for a while.. i hated it XD |
| 19:35.07 | Takieda | what did you add to your xorg.conf |
| 19:35.12 | minus198 | XFCE4 wtf! |
| 19:35.16 | Soccrmastr | im using IceWM right now |
| 19:35.19 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: you're right a lot of stuff is built for ubuntu, but it mostly all works with debian anyway. especially if you download the .deb. what i find strange is that debian still claims to have the biggest repo. |
| 19:35.24 | Takieda | xoz: gsynaptics says its in alpha.. heh. |
| 19:35.29 | Soccrmastr | XFCE too bloated even for 64MB ram 420mhz proc but it still runs |
| 19:35.41 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Ah.. |
| 19:35.45 | xoz | openbox + idisk |
| 19:35.45 | Dave_is_sexy | ..not that things i want are ever in it, or if they are they're from 2005 (folds arms) |
| 19:36.09 | Sweetandy | I wonder when Debian will get Pidgin in the repos |
| 19:36.29 | minus198 | Soccrmastr, I have Intel E6600 Core 2 Duo and 2GB 800Mhz ram.. So, it'll work fine i think |
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| 19:36.49 | itrebal | Soccrmastr: I love me some Ice, but I'm currently using Ion now |
| 19:36.51 | xoz | s/idisk/idesk |
| 19:37.00 | assasukasse | Soccrmastr: sorry, touchscreen |
| 19:37.13 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: and you can add good repos like debian-multimedia. aptitude install libdvdcss2 lets you play dvds straight away once you have that repo :) |
| 19:37.16 | Takieda | assasukasse: what kind of touchscreen do you have (not that I could help, I'm just curious) |
| 19:37.26 | assasukasse | debus: habla espagnol? |
| 19:37.29 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Nice.. |
| 19:37.41 | xand | !es |
| 19:37.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:37.43 | assasukasse | Takieda: for what i can check within debian is a SMK device |
| 19:37.56 | assasukasse | great xand |
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| 19:38.03 | FelipeSouza | Where can i get vesafb-tng patch for kernel 2.6.18? |
| 19:38.05 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, So what you mean is that i should go with Debian and not Xubuntu. Right? |
| 19:38.19 | assasukasse | minus198: well, i am not so radica |
| 19:38.25 | assasukasse | i suggest u try both then decide |
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| 19:38.27 | Takieda | assassukasse: pretend I'm a windows user, what type of device is it? |
| 19:38.54 | assasukasse | touchscreen, is a screen that can sense touch..so with a pen u can click items, move windows and so on |
| 19:38.54 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: well i can't tell you that. that repo will work with any debian based distro. i prefer debian for some reasons, and dislike it for others. |
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| 19:39.09 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Ok.. |
| 19:39.18 | minus198 | I'll stick with debian then XD |
| 19:39.19 | Takieda | assasukasse: is it like a tabletpc screen, i.e. works ONLY with the pen? or does it also sense physical touch of any object? |
| 19:39.31 | assasukasse | Takieda: works even with finger |
| 19:39.47 | xarquid | Ubuntu = Debian as far as I can concerned |
| 19:39.50 | xoz | Takieda: physical touch? that is sexual harassment of your pc! |
| 19:40.01 | minus198 | xarquid, I know. |
| 19:40.02 | Takieda | assasukasse: ahh, okay... mine is specific to the pen it comes with... |
| 19:40.10 | hermogenes | xarquid: No. |
| 19:40.11 | xarquid | Xubunutu = Debian with fewer installed packages (but you choose anyways upon install if you want -- so you can "make" Debian into "Xbuntu" if you want?) |
| 19:40.18 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: remember "aptitude install ivman network-manager". ;-) |
| 19:40.27 | assasukasse | Takieda: u can use with whatever..in windows, in linux is just there sitting and doing nothing |
| 19:40.28 | hermogenes | xarquid: Ubuntu is not debian |
| 19:40.28 | xoz | xarquid: no |
| 19:40.35 | xarquid | ... |
| 19:40.43 | xarquid | Let me rephrase. |
| 19:40.49 | xarquid | Ubuntu is based off of Debian. |
| 19:40.49 | xoz | xarquid: no |
| 19:40.54 | assasukasse | xarquid: ubuntu is based on debian but is not debian |
| 19:41.00 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, what is that then? |
| 19:41.05 | xarquid | I understand. Symantics :) I rephrased. |
| 19:41.09 | hermogenes | xarquid: Yes. Thats right |
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| 19:41.23 | dallaspulla | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.31 | Takieda | from what I've seen of the people distributing ubuntu discs... Ubuntu is to Debian what MySpace is to the internet.. |
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| 19:41.46 | xarquid | The userbase is totally different |
| 19:41.47 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: that will make sure that a) when you put cds in they are noticed. and b) you can go on the internet without faffing around |
| 19:41.52 | assasukasse | Takieda: u were able to make yours work? |
| 19:42.02 | gdsx | Takieda: quotefiled :o) |
| 19:42.07 | xarquid | Ubuntu users (from what I have seen in #ubuntu) don't necessarily even understand that Ubuntu has a terminal/command line. |
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| 19:42.18 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, That "b" thing XD What do you mean with "faffing around" |
| 19:42.27 | xarquid | They sometimes do not even understand the GUI itself (like omg, how hard is it to click to get to Administration/Users?) |
| 19:42.28 | minus198 | xarquid, WTF o_O |
| 19:42.34 | Takieda | gdsx: well that's a shorter version of what I'm used to saying... tack on "what Tommy Hilfiger is to fashion" |
| 19:42.38 | xoz | xarquid: avoid generalizations and don't be offtopic. |
| 19:42.48 | minus198 | xarquid, Thats really noobish XD |
| 19:42.50 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198) that means doing seemingly unnecessary and awkward things that you shouldn't have to do |
| 19:42.54 | minus198 | apt-get moo wtf |
| 19:42.57 | Takieda | assasukasse: I've gotten mine to do... something... |
| 19:43.03 | xarquid | How am I being offtopic? |
| 19:43.09 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, you mean the "ifconfig" |
| 19:43.11 | assasukasse | xarquid: don't be like that, is not true...i am also an ubuntu user, and i use Exactly like debian |
| 19:43.12 | xarquid | And I can generalize if I want ;p |
| 19:43.12 | minus198 | and "iwconfig" |
| 19:43.22 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: kinda yeah |
| 19:43.25 | xarquid | assasukasse: Have you been in #ubuntu? |
| 19:43.26 | Takieda | when testing, I can tell that Linux sees that it's recognizing input when the pen is on the screen, but I still haven't gotten it working as a functional tool. |
| 19:43.30 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ok :P |
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| 19:43.34 | assasukasse | xarquid: i am there if u see :D |
| 19:43.37 | xoz | xarquid: do you have questions about debian? let's not discuss or compare other distro. |
| 19:43.57 | xarquid | xoz: I'm just chatting like I usually do in here as well as answering questions |
| 19:44.08 | assasukasse | Takieda: i tried many different modules, but nothing seems talking with the screen |
| 19:44.17 | xarquid | xoz: I was not aware that one could not make conversation on internet relay CHAT. |
| 19:44.18 | minus198 | Ehm, anyways.. I should install Windows first right? |
| 19:44.26 | Takieda | assasukasse: well is there any way to check to see if it's registering input? |
| 19:44.29 | xoz | xarquid: insulting ubuntu users is not good also. |
| 19:44.35 | xarquid | assasukasse: And do you not agree that the "questions" are very different than in here? |
| 19:44.36 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yes |
| 19:44.38 | xarquid | I am not insulting them. |
| 19:44.49 | xarquid | I was just making a simple statement. I myself DO run Ubuntu on two laptops. |
| 19:45.00 | assasukasse | Takieda: truly talking i dunno how to do it..i tried to cat some dev, with no luck |
| 19:45.01 | xoz | xarquid: ok. let us be ontopic |
| 19:45.01 | ma3x | does suspend and hibernate to ram mean the same thing? |
| 19:45.01 | streuner | so ask there |
| 19:45.06 | minus198 | xoz, there are actually some good Ubuntusers |
| 19:45.27 | xoz | minus198: ok. let's just talk about debian issues |
| 19:45.30 | assasukasse | xarquid: i think when it comes to stupid users, ubuntu does a good job, otherwise they would be still using wincoze :D |
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| 19:45.38 | Takieda | assasukasse: with me, all I could figure out how to do was do a wacdump to see that it was actually seeing some input, but it kept saying every bit of that data was garbage for some odd reason... |
| 19:45.41 | minus198 | xoz, yeayeah |
| 19:45.47 | xarquid | So by on topic I guess I should only speak of Debian? Everything I have said above has to do with Debian directly or indirectly anyways. |
| 19:45.54 | xarquid | I didn't know there were topic-police in here. :P |
| 19:46.02 | minus198 | damn i just luuv CD/DVD - RW |
| 19:46.03 | minus198 | XD |
| 19:46.03 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: good practice is to install windows on a reasonably sized partition, linux on another (+swap) and have another for your data. i'd say ntfs, but many here would say fat32 |
| 19:46.07 | xarquid | assasukasse: :) My point. Kind of. |
| 19:46.08 | ruben | Hi, using wget, what is the way to download an specific directory?, wget -r http://www.foo.com/dir gets all domain!, what is the way? |
| 19:46.17 | xarquid | assasukasse: The marketing of ubuntu is radically different than other distros, like Debian. |
| 19:46.20 | streuner | xarquid: ask in #(x)ubuntu |
| 19:46.22 | xarquid | And it will continue to be very different. |
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| 19:46.30 | xarquid | streuner: Ask what? |
| 19:46.41 | streuner | !tell xarquid about enter |
| 19:46.46 | xoz | xarquid: this kind of conversation is not healthy here |
| 19:46.47 | Takieda | xarquid: this I've seen, hence my previous comment... no clue about Ubuntu or its users as a whole... just the way it's marketted... heh. |
| 19:46.58 | assasukasse | xarquid: yes totally agree, but when u need a fast installation for a pc, ubuntu is perfect |
| 19:47.00 | dountby | does anyone know ipsec (racoon)? (or knows where to find the correct channel?) |
| 19:47.08 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, I've used Debian on another computer for quite som time.. I dont think i need to practice so much.. |
| 19:47.10 | xarquid | assasukasse: Yep. |
| 19:47.13 | minus198 | I know the basics.. |
| 19:47.23 | assasukasse | minus198: is u wanna try linux, what about puppylinux |
| 19:47.33 | minus198 | And if i don't know something % man X is the shit |
| 19:47.40 | xarquid | assasukasse: "Out of the box" -- that's why I use it for Laptops. I love Debian for my servers/colos and even my work stations when I have the time :) |
| 19:47.46 | minus198 | assasukasse, WTF What is puppylinux? |
| 19:47.47 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: 'good practice' is an expression which means "this is a good thing to do" :) |
| 19:47.59 | streuner | what the hell, its sunday, DOH :-) |
| 19:48.06 | xoz | yep |
| 19:48.40 | minus198 | streuner, Yeah i know.. |
| 19:48.57 | minus198 | I hate sundays.. Because its always mondays after them.. |
| 19:48.57 | assasukasse | xarquid: this server i am typing from is an ubuntu server (i needed a fast thing and i didn't bother to install debian) :D |
| 19:49.03 | concept10 | I dont understand people. New to Linux or not. Some people expect the world to hand them everything. |
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| 19:49.09 | xarquid | I'm just chatting, streuner and xoz, as I have before. Like when I discuss CentOS on dedicated environments. Just commentary. I think it is allowed in here for input/conversational purposes. It is IR *C*hat for a reason, I think? There are no support/pending issues at the moment as far as I can see. |
| 19:49.13 | assasukasse | minus198: type /j #puppylinux |
| 19:49.22 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: this monday is a bank holiday :D I'm going to Brighton! |
| 19:49.44 | minus198 | assasukasse, EUww.. That was gross! I looked it up on google |
| 19:49.48 | xoz | xarquid: " |
| 19:49.52 | minus198 | Looked like shit! |
| 19:49.59 | xarquid | haha |
| 19:50.00 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, :O |
| 19:50.07 | xarquid | Puppylinux ;P |
| 19:50.08 | assasukasse | minus198: u have no taste.. |
| 19:50.11 | minus198 | You are from UK ? |
| 19:50.12 | assasukasse | :) |
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| 19:50.24 | Dave_is_sexy | dreamlinux looks fun. like it might just work propperly and be good straight away. though i am sceptical |
| 19:50.28 | xarquid | greetings, obnauticus and biteater |
| 19:50.29 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yep |
| 19:50.30 | minus198 | assasukasse, XFCE4 is my cup of tea |
| 19:50.38 | obnauticus | xarquid penis. |
| 19:50.39 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, UK is cool |
| 19:50.50 | assasukasse | minus198: read http://desktoplinux.wordpress.com/2007/04/12/puppy-215-woof-woof/ |
| 19:50.51 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Where in UD do u live then? |
| 19:51.00 | assasukasse | lol :D |
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| 19:51.09 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: thanks. i like it too (sometimes. Germany seems better though) |
| 19:51.18 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: London atm. |
| 19:51.23 | Takieda | is there a good list of linux distribution statistics... i.e. number of users of each distro? |
| 19:51.26 | minus198 | assasukasse, Gives me the creeps when i see those screenshots |
| 19:51.30 | Takieda | err.. generalized number, at any rate? |
| 19:51.39 | xarquid | takieda: best thing I know is distrowatch.com |
| 19:51.40 | xarquid | For that |
| 19:51.45 | runatrain | i think irc lists are a good way to tell |
| 19:51.45 | BitEater | xarquid: what's the matter? |
| 19:51.49 | atealtha | would anyone know how to keep a kernel module loaded? dmesg shows it gets unloaded due to some reason, then tries and loads the incorrect one |
| 19:51.51 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, London is cool.. Been there only twise thou |
| 19:51.51 | assasukasse | minus198: is a great os i must say, the fastest i've ever tried in my life |
| 19:52.02 | minus198 | assasukasse, :O |
| 19:52.04 | xarquid | biteater: nothing? hehe. just said hi :) |
| 19:52.08 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:52.08 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:52.11 | tarzeau | Takieda: for you |
| 19:52.12 | BitEater | ok :) |
| 19:52.13 | assasukasse | atealtha: blacklist the wrong one, and put modprobe module in rc.local |
| 19:52.19 | xarquid | obnauticus: urethra ;p |
| 19:52.20 | tarzeau | Takieda: and there's www.linuxcounter.org too |
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| 19:52.24 | minus198 | assasukasse, But its so "wannabe" windows somehow |
| 19:52.33 | atealtha | assasukasse: thanks |
| 19:52.36 | Takieda | thanks guys :) |
| 19:52.37 | xand | tarzeau: I don't think that's what he was asking |
| 19:52.39 | atealtha | I'll give it a shot |
| 19:52.53 | streuner | tarzeau: How many times do you want to activate this factoid again? |
| 19:52.55 | xarquid | I think LinuxCounter.org is based on NetCraft stats |
| 19:52.57 | xoz | assasukasse: look in /etc/modules |
| 19:53.00 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yes London is brilliant. everything is free (except the $Ā£&!* underground which is %^*"Ā£!) and there's so much to do. Though only 2 linux groups, both of which seem to suck |
| 19:53.00 | BitEater | xarquid: i didn't read "greeting" :D |
| 19:53.03 | xarquid | Which I do know Linux went up 100% in the past 2 months internet wide |
| 19:53.06 | minus198 | assasukasse, what Desktop enviroment does it use? |
| 19:53.07 | tarzeau | streuner: whenever someone asks for it? |
| 19:53.20 | tarzeau | xarquid: no it's not |
| 19:53.24 | xarquid | biteater: oh hehe I just said "greetings, yourname" |
| 19:53.29 | streuner | tarzeau: hm |
| 19:53.30 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ^^ |
| 19:53.31 | tarzeau | xand: why not? ubuntu has the same stats too |
| 19:53.31 | xarquid | oh it isn't? what does it use? |
| 19:53.32 | assasukasse | minus198: at now i am on gnome, i used xfce and enlightenment |
| 19:53.36 | assasukasse | icewm |
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| 19:53.55 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, The tube is cool in London.. |
| 19:53.57 | xarquid | it's just based on his "guess" and his counting on people to count their own machine? |
| 19:54.00 | Takieda | also, is there a comparison between the windows managers? |
| 19:54.05 | minus198 | ok.. not so clean and so.. |
| 19:54.06 | obnauticus | xarquid vulva |
| 19:54.32 | minus198 | But the undergroundwwaults or what you could call it is so cool |
| 19:54.33 | minus198 | XD |
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| 19:54.46 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: it's Ā£30 a week, breaks down at least once a week and has no air con. it's great in winter, outside rush hour mind. |
| 19:54.53 | tarzeau | Takieda: http://xwinman.org/ |
| 19:54.59 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ^^ |
| 19:55.37 | Takieda | okay... I really feel foolish now... I thought window managers and desktops were effectively the same thing... |
| 19:55.43 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Isn't quite expensive to have an apartment in London? |
| 19:55.51 | Dave_is_sexy | hey, does anyone know why firefox coonstantly crashes in debian? (not iceweasel) |
| 19:56.01 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: because it's mozilla software? |
| 19:56.08 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yes it is, but the average pay is higher |
| 19:56.15 | streuner | London is one of the most expensives cities in the world, so yes. |
| 19:56.18 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Cause Firefox isn't really built for debian |
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| 19:56.22 | Dave_is_sexy | tarzeau: :o, how can you say that?! |
| 19:56.27 | tarzeau | Dave_is_sexy: i hate it |
| 19:56.28 | minus198 | Thats why iceweasel was built |
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| 19:56.46 | tarzeau | minus198: different name, same shit |
| 19:56.47 | assasukasse | i use swiftfox |
| 19:56.48 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: no iceweasel was built as a card in a petty argument |
| 19:56.54 | Takieda | any way to get ice weasel to recognize Backspace as the back button? |
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| 19:57.09 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Yeah.. Maybe a bit private question.. What do you earn then? |
| 19:57.09 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 19:57.09 | dpkg | [utsl] Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 19:57.10 | minus198 | XD |
| 19:57.27 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: i'm not telling you that. lol |
| 19:57.32 | minus198 | haha |
| 19:57.48 | mzperx | Hi ! Is it possible to get kernel sources with apt, or I should use kernel.org ? I have Linux version 2.6.18-4-k7 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1), and looking for the corresponding source package under etch without success... |
| 19:58.08 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: I found that firefox normally crashes due to the plugins |
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| 19:58.11 | lvh | hi |
| 19:58.13 | xand | mzperx: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 19:58.23 | xoz | !source |
| 19:58.23 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 19:58.27 | ma3x | what does load the installed modules on startup? |
| 19:58.30 | xand | mzperx: linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 19:58.36 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Why not XD I don't know you, You dont know me.. And no one in here knows you(probably) so why not XD |
| 19:58.39 | minus198 | harhar |
| 19:58.40 | ma3x | for example I installed rt2500 with m-a and I want to disable it now |
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| 19:58.54 | ma3x | I tried adding it to /etc/discover.conf skip rt2500 but it still loads |
| 19:58.56 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: more specifically the media plugins. I have removed many and just rely on mozilla-mplayer and it doesnt crash anymore. |
| 19:58.59 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: perhaps. but i don't have any atm. seamonkey on the other hand seems much more stable. i expect i will go with iceape, though it seems incapable of using my windows profile |
| 19:59.00 | ma3x | how do I prevent it from loading on obot |
| 19:59.01 | tarzeau | mzperx: i use the ones from kernel.org |
| 19:59.05 | ma3x | s/boot |
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| 19:59.21 | minus198 | Anyways. Anyone here from Stockholm that knows anyone that i can buy LSD from? |
| 19:59.22 | minus198 | XD |
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| 19:59.28 | acu | I am confused, is Zope having its own webserver - and plone is content management system - or you need Apache for Zope ? |
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| 19:59.47 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: oh you're german. you'll have liked my germany comment then :) |
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| 20:00.05 | ma3x | Dave_is_sexy, are you blonde german? |
| 20:00.05 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, nope.. Im not german.. Swedish.. |
| 20:00.10 | minus198 | ^^ |
| 20:00.14 | Dave_is_sexy | :P |
| 20:00.16 | lvh | I seem to be having a problem with my window manager and X software to go with it. (wmii) Basically, whenever I press Mod1+[hjkl] it's supposed to move focus to a client in that particular direction. However, it seems like whatever program has focus (be it kmail or an xterm) decides to grab the keypress instead |
| 20:00.17 | minus198 | Stockholm is in sweden |
| 20:00.18 | soothsay | How can I easily get grub entries (for use in grub-reboot) |
| 20:00.22 | lvh | is this a problem with wmii? |
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| 20:00.27 | ma3x | minus198, you're exactly dave's type! |
| 20:00.29 | Dave_is_sexy | er, yes i know .... |
| 20:00.31 | Dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 20:00.47 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Why did you say that i was german then XD |
| 20:01.10 | ma3x | minus198, german sweden people like each other |
| 20:01.10 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198. well it's pretty close by :) |
| 20:01.15 | xoz | acu: no need although for heavy usage, you can use apacher. zope has its own server and plone runs on top of it. |
| 20:01.17 | ma3x | exactly |
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| 20:01.24 | minus198 | ma3x, right.... |
| 20:01.25 | minus198 | XD |
| 20:01.30 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, XD |
| 20:01.38 | mzperx | xand: thanks, found it... |
| 20:02.00 | minus198 | Ok.. Our language sounds pretty the same to others ears.. But.. I promise.. ITs diffrent |
| 20:02.14 | lvh | Does anyone have any idea? |
| 20:02.15 | Dave_is_sexy | hey if anyone knows abut tv cards/drivers, i'm thinking of getting one with an undisclosed chipset. what're the chances it'll work in debain |
| 20:02.30 | xoz | acu: it uses certain port to access it. you have to read the README.debian to find out some info how to access it. |
| 20:02.31 | minus198 | And.. If my English sux, its 'casue im Swedish and 16 years old.. |
| 20:02.38 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: what card |
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| 20:03.12 | Gokee2 | Can anyone suggest a simple recording program that uses alsa and lets you moniter whats being recorded in real time? |
| 20:03.16 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: well, the chipset isn't labeled, but it;s a tevion dvb stick |
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| 20:03.36 | xand | minus198: I should think everyone's here that speaks English as a second language does it about 100 times better than most English people speak other languages |
| 20:03.39 | tarzeau | Gokee2: audacity? |
| 20:03.40 | Dave_is_sexy | i asked about freecom ones yesterday and apparently they work fine |
| 20:03.55 | tarzeau | Gokee2: not sure, schism has a builtin recording tool too |
| 20:04.07 | minus198 | xand, True XD |
| 20:04.21 | minus198 | But still.. Just so you keep that in mind.. |
| 20:04.22 | minus198 | :P |
| 20:04.24 | Dave_is_sexy | ich sphrechen Sie Deutsch und je parle le francais aussi :P |
| 20:04.29 | Gokee2 | tarzeau, I guess I could but audacity recording is distorted if I record any more then the first track... Its a really strange problem |
| 20:04.39 | soothsay | xand: That's not exactly a fair comparison. I've been told English is one of the easier (easiest?) languages to speak due to few grammatical rules |
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| 20:05.06 | acu | xoz: thanks |
| 20:05.09 | Dave_is_sexy | soothsay: it is. but french is easy too. german is solid (which means difficult) |
| 20:05.15 | acu | xoz: I want to work on a laboratory management system - and I am thinking to integrate it into a Containt Management System - I will run Debian Gnu/Linux Etch as my OS - and I am looking for alternatives - so far I found Ez publish - which is based on php and postgresql - however I am wondering about ZOPE and PLONE - are they superior - what is the learning curve ? |
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| 20:05.40 | xoz | acu: you can also check moodle. |
| 20:05.42 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Damn XD |
| 20:05.47 | xand | soothsay: I've heard it's one of the harder ones for the same reasn |
| 20:05.49 | esaym | whats the command to see what all packages depend on a package? |
| 20:05.50 | xand | +o |
| 20:06.02 | xoz | acu: it uses python. very clean programming. |
| 20:06.03 | concept10 | Gokee2: how are you recording the second track? |
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| 20:06.17 | tarzeau | esaym: apt-cache depends pkg? or rdepends? |
| 20:06.19 | minus198 | I know some english to.. But i forgot it all after 9'th grade.. |
| 20:06.20 | Light_Knight | esaym: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
| 20:06.33 | xoz | acu: http://moodle.org/ |
| 20:06.42 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: english is not hard. just a few rules, and you can just invent words and still be understood |
| 20:06.43 | xoz | acu: plone is easy to use. |
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| 20:06.58 | Gokee2 | concept10, Just hit record stop record and it starts a second track |
| 20:06.58 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ^^ |
| 20:07.24 | acu | xoz: thanks - I forgot to mention that I will uses PostgreSQL as my RDMBS - I want to make a web based solution - web inteface to the database |
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| 20:07.37 | minus198 | Does the #debianchannel have a Socialchannel like #c++ has? |
| 20:07.39 | Dave_is_sexy | i make up words all the time. like Debonians - people who use Debian :) |
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| 20:07.43 | mike1o | does anybody use vnc? |
| 20:07.48 | acu | xoz: so you recomend python as better than php ? |
| 20:07.51 | xoz | acu: we use moodle for courses. assignment and lab progs submission can be tracked and graded easily. |
| 20:07.51 | xand | mike1o: no, no-one |
| 20:07.56 | xand | mike1o: there's an -offtopic |
| 20:08.05 | xand | erm, minus198 there's an -offtopic |
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| 20:08.07 | Takieda | dave: wouldn't debianiacs work better? |
| 20:08.14 | esaym | apt-cahce is not giveing me what I want |
| 20:08.15 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ^^ |
| 20:08.22 | minus198 | xand, Ok :P |
| 20:08.24 | minus198 | I'll join that |
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| 20:08.39 | esaym | I basically want to see why libgpod1 got installed on my system even though I already had libgpod0.... |
| 20:08.43 | concept10 | Gokee2: the reason I ask is because if you combine two digital tracks, you can easily cause digital distortion which sounds horrible |
| 20:08.49 | xoz | acu: no. but zope and plone use python for scripting. it has its own rdms and server. |
| 20:08.53 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: hmm. debianiacs has too many "i" sounds in it and is hard to say |
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| 20:08.57 | Takieda | Soccrmastr: what information do you have in xorg.conf for your touchpad? |
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| 20:09.18 | Takieda | Dave: not difficult to say... pronounce it like, "Debbie Eniacs" |
| 20:09.27 | acu | xoz: I have considered also OpenACS and .LRN - which is based on AOLServer Tcl and Postgresql - seem powerfull only that I am not familiar with AOLserver or Tcl - but I am still assessing the options |
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| 20:09.29 | xoz | acu: in heavy usage env, apache+postgresq may be a better choice together with plone+zope. |
| 20:09.41 | minus198 | ehm.. *pling* How do i set my linuxcomputer to be identyfied as a specific name in the network? |
| 20:09.44 | mike1o | !vnc |
| 20:09.44 | Dave_is_sexy | takieda: yes i did that. difficult |
| 20:09.44 | dpkg | vnc is probably Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
| 20:09.55 | xoz | acu: what is the primary function? |
| 20:10.01 | Dave_is_sexy | !ssh |
| 20:10.01 | dpkg | hmm... ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 20:10.02 | Takieda | okay, how about debianists |
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| 20:10.14 | concept10 | Gokee2: I make this mistake sometimes when I am mixing down a track. I forget to mute one and they combine and the signal is over the threshold |
| 20:10.19 | acu | xoz: you are saynig apache + postgres is bettter than plone+zope ? |
| 20:10.21 | minus198 | Damn this channel is a fast scolling one XD |
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| 20:10.33 | xoz | acu: no. together with them |
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| 20:11.13 | acu | xoz: I see - did you look at www.ez.no ? |
| 20:11.24 | xoz | acu: for easy implementation, zope provides rdms and http server, but for heavy usage, you can replace them with apache and postgres |
| 20:11.29 | Dave_is_sexy | where can i read about what directories should contain what in the linux filesystem? |
| 20:11.53 | Dave_is_sexy | /var for example? |
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| 20:11.58 | Dave_is_sexy | !/var |
| 20:11.58 | dpkg | well, fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 20:11.58 | Light_Knight | FHS... |
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| 20:12.16 | Dave_is_sexy | :) |
| 20:12.23 | xoz | acu: what primarily will be your main usage of the CMS? |
| 20:12.28 | xand | Dave_is_sexy: dunno about that card |
| 20:12.35 | wirefire | hey im running debian etch which was part of the testing branch ive noticed it is now a stable release, (i havent used it for a while) if i do an apt-update will i go to the next testing release providing i dont change my sources.list? |
| 20:13.07 | Dave_is_sexy | xand: k ta. think i'll get it anyway. |
| 20:13.16 | acu | xoz: for course, grades, assignemnts |
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| 20:13.30 | sep | if you have testing in your sources list yes. and you should use aptitude instead of apt-get and you might consider dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 20:13.33 | xoz | acu: moodle is for classroom environment. it can track and grade submissions, make online quizzes, etc... moodle is for you. |
| 20:13.34 | acu | xoz: moodle seem so cool ! -- |
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| 20:13.53 | ustunozgur | !etch->lenny |
| 20:13.53 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 20:13.58 | acu | xoz: can I add modules for laboratory management system ? |
| 20:14.15 | xoz | acu: we have been using it and it is very stable. |
| 20:14.16 | acu | I mean can I add a web inteface to a posgresql |
| 20:14.16 | minus198 | LOL! I just found out that there is a english word for free that is "gratis". And that is a swedish word with the exact same meaning! |
| 20:14.19 | minus198 | Its absurd! |
| 20:14.20 | minus198 | XD |
| 20:14.21 | Dave_is_sexy | i noticed that all rivals to rhythmbox take ages to start up. why?? |
| 20:14.21 | xoz | acu: yep. it is modular. |
| 20:14.35 | acu | xoz: do you run debian linux with it ? |
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| 20:14.49 | soothsay | Dave_is_sexy: Banshee? |
| 20:14.53 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yeah you can throw all kinds of european words into a sentence. |
| 20:14.56 | xoz | acu: it runs in debian, OS X, windows, etc. |
| 20:15.09 | ustunozgur | gratis is Latin. |
| 20:15.11 | Dave_is_sexy | soothsay: yes banshee has a splash screen for about 3 seconds |
| 20:15.20 | wirefire | ustunozgur, so if |
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| 20:15.28 | Gokee2 | concept10, hmmm I think this is past the last track |
| 20:15.28 | minus198 | DAMN! I Almost want to try ELive... Last time i tried Enlightment it was just ugly.. |
| 20:15.35 | soothsay | Dave_is_sexy: It has to load virtual machine I imagine. (Like Java). |
| 20:15.37 | minus198 | But now i've seen some screenshots |
| 20:15.40 | wirefire | ustunozgur, so if i leave my sources.list as testing would it go to lenny by default? |
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| 20:15.43 | minus198 | And damn is beautiful! |
| 20:15.46 | concept10 | does bash have something similar to zsh's completion definitions (compdef files)? |
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| 20:16.00 | Dave_is_sexy | soothsay: oh i see. oh bad. i'll keep rhythmbox |
| 20:16.10 | simonrvn | bash completion is nothing like zsh's |
| 20:16.11 | minus198 | What filemanager does enlightment use standard= |
| 20:16.12 | xoz | acu: you can upload all the course materials and exams. it allows you to control what day the exam will be opened, what day the deadline of projects, etc. very teacher-centered |
| 20:16.12 | minus198 | ?* |
| 20:16.14 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: linik? |
| 20:16.15 | ustunozgur | wirefire, I guess you need dist-upgrade, not simply upgrade. |
| 20:16.21 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: try exaile |
| 20:16.37 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ok. |
| 20:16.51 | concept10 | simonrvn: so bash doesnt have anything like that? |
| 20:16.54 | acu | xoz: moodle is based on what ? (what else do you need - apache, php, posgresql) - --- also I want to publish a scientific journal - and have a scheme of submission - review and publish |
| 20:16.55 | soothsay | Dave_is_sexy: Quod Libet starts quickly |
| 20:17.02 | xoz | acu: tthe other CMS like plone is for content managment, not course management. |
| 20:17.12 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: people go on a lot about debian derivatives, but, by adding packages, debain can become any of them. right? |
| 20:17.17 | wirefire | ustunozgur, whats feedback been like regarding lenny i know its testing but have people who generally go from etch to lenny have many major issues? |
| 20:17.20 | aldin | what download manager u suggest if my public IP is changed very often, and i need to download one big file which needs to be resumed |
| 20:17.22 | Dave_is_sexy | soothsay: noted |
| 20:17.26 | aldin | what download manager u suggest if my public IP is changed very often, and i need to download one big file which needs to be resumed |
| 20:17.33 | tarzeau | aldin: wget -c |
| 20:17.34 | xoz | acu: apache, php, mysql |
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| 20:17.55 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: yep. but some changes are not just packages. |
| 20:17.57 | aldin | tarzeau, i tried but it wont retry if conenctin fails |
| 20:18.04 | ustunozgur | wirefire, I didn't encounter any problems. |
| 20:18.16 | wirefire | ustunozgur, thats good enough for me :D |
| 20:18.17 | acu | xoz: great - it will be greater if I could use postgresql instead of mysql |
| 20:18.32 | tarzeau | aldin: works fine for me. what url? |
| 20:18.50 | aldin | i tried wget kget downthemall |
| 20:18.57 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: where's my link? |
| 20:19.06 | xoz | acu: you can |
| 20:19.14 | concept10 | i dont understand why zsh isnt the standard shell everywhere. it's the swiss army knife of the command line. |
| 20:19.17 | ustunozgur | wirefire, if it a server, you might be cautious. But for home use, it is OK. |
| 20:19.28 | xoz | acu: http://docs.moodle.org/en/PostgreSQL |
| 20:19.31 | soothsay | aldin: The server has to support resuming |
| 20:19.32 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, I thought you said that the filemanager had the name linik XD |
| 20:19.33 | acu | xoz: you made my day! |
| 20:19.40 | wirefire | ustunozgur, yeah just home use |
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| 20:19.51 | xoz | acu: i cant imagine to teach now without moodle |
| 20:19.57 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/E17/_images/017_jpg_preview.jpeg |
| 20:20.15 | aldin | slougi, i tried wget kget downthemall but all of them "dont know " to retry if connection fail (if my public ip is changed) |
| 20:20.28 | minus198 | ow.. That was a CD burning application |
| 20:20.29 | minus198 | hm.. |
| 20:20.49 | aldin | tarzeau, soothsay freedownload manager has option to retry after e.g. 5 mins |
| 20:21.02 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, this is better.. http://www.elivecd.org/gb/Main/Screenshots/E17/_images/012_jpg_preview.jpeg |
| 20:21.14 | minus198 | And it even says that it is Thunar |
| 20:21.18 | Gokee2 | audacity is not working anymore :( it start and the start of the track and the curser "shivers* when I press record |
| 20:21.19 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: nice. it's gnome with transparent panels |
| 20:21.23 | acu | xoz: I almost went for OpenACS .LRN - which seem to be able to handle unbelievable trafic (40k hits/second) plus its direct access to Database - but my concern was the learning curve required to make it run and later to maintain - I was thinking of some tools which more people know |
| 20:21.26 | aldin | i need equivalent on linux |
| 20:21.34 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ehm,.. nope.. Its Enlightment |
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| 20:21.47 | concept10 | !info devscripts |
| 20:21.50 | dpkg | devscripts: (Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.10.4 (sid), Packaged size: 374 kB, Installed size: 1176 kB |
| 20:21.54 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yes, but it is running gnome :) |
| 20:21.56 | acu | xoz: what kind of teaching are you involved ? (if I may ask) |
| 20:21.57 | Dave_is_sexy | !gnome |
| 20:21.57 | dpkg | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 20:22.18 | xoz | acu: if you want review process similar to journal submission, you need plone also. the workflow management of plone is very good. |
| 20:22.20 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Wtf.. Can you use gnome and Enlighment |
| 20:22.23 | jm|laptop | I have a RAID1 md0 |
| 20:22.31 | jm|laptop | I have added another disk - can I convert to RAID5? |
| 20:22.38 | minus198 | Then i'll not use ELive.. I hate gnome.. |
| 20:22.49 | acu | xoz: so I can use moodle and plone ? |
| 20:22.54 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: gnome is just a desktop environment. it can run on any distro |
| 20:22.54 | xoz | acu: comp sci, math, neural networks |
| 20:23.16 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Yeah.. But i mean that you can use Enlightment and gnome att the same time?! |
| 20:23.20 | xoz | acu: yes. they excel in different area |
| 20:23.21 | acu | xoz: you ooze with inteligence! |
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| 20:23.37 | aldin | tarzeau, soothsay look it wget -c URL works ok, but if my public ip gots changed wget is "confused" and it doesnt know to retry downloadin |
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| 20:23.47 | acu | xoz: what is neural networks ? |
| 20:23.58 | x_link | How do I install .msi files? |
| 20:24.08 | tarzeau | x_link: wine the.msi |
| 20:24.19 | xoz | acu: no. just happened to be interested in stuffs. |
| 20:24.26 | minus198 | tarzeau, nope.. its not that easy.. |
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| 20:24.45 | x_link | tarzeau: Ohh okej. |
| 20:24.46 | minus198 | I think one must type somthing wine msi and file.msi |
| 20:24.47 | acu | I am always thinking how badly we are missing the real picture in cancer biology - when people - foolishly thought that blocking a pathway will be able to cure specific tumors |
| 20:24.51 | xoz | acu: consult wikipedia ;) |
| 20:24.52 | minus198 | But i'm not sure |
| 20:24.56 | x_link | tarzeau: Never used Wine. I have Cedega installed but never used that either. |
| 20:25.00 | concept10 | anyone know where the lintian and linda gets their names from? |
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| 20:25.28 | acu | xoz: now you talk like a true geek :) |
| 20:25.34 | tarzeau | x_link: dict lint |
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| 20:25.49 | xoz | acu: blame debian :) |
| 20:25.59 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: what i do, is download a bunch of iso files, and install them each for a short time to see that i like. i've tried a lot of distros. i do not like Suse AT ALL. redhat and fedora were ok, but i learnt quickly about 'dependency hell' with those. Mandrake (now Mandrivia) was awesome (take a look), but Debian and Ubuntu have Aptitude to install things for you, which is great. Gentoo has a similar tool called Por |
| 20:26.13 | x_link | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:26.33 | xoz | acu: plone + moodle will meet most of your needs as a teacher. |
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| 20:26.58 | xoz | acu: of course, R is a good simulation/stat programming language |
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| 20:28.22 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: well, ask the room, but as far as i know, enlightenment is a window manager, not a desktop environment but a piece of a desktop environment. You can thus use it to replace the default window manager in your desktop environment. |
| 20:28.22 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: theres actually only two kind of distros: one based on Debian, and one that is not :) |
| 20:28.22 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ah.. |
| 20:28.23 | minus198 | ok.. |
| 20:28.23 | Dave_is_sexy | ...Beryl is a window manager. Take a look. www.beryl.org |
| 20:28.23 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, i know.. |
| 20:28.23 | valdyn | minus198: enlightenment+gnome is even supported by debian explicitely ( there's a predefined session for that ) |
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| 20:28.26 | minus198 | ok.. |
| 20:28.31 | minus198 | But still, GNOME == NEVER |
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| 20:28.37 | minus198 | I So totaly hate gnome.. |
| 20:28.42 | minus198 | Gives me the creeps |
| 20:28.45 | minus198 | X| |
| 20:28.49 | ustunozgur | XFCE is great. |
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| 20:28.53 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: what about slackware? gentoo? linuxfromscratch??? |
| 20:29.02 | SlimG | Is there a aptitude/apt-get parameter for pulling packages from another architecture? ex.: aptitude install <package> --architecture=amd64 |
| 20:29.03 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: one that is not |
| 20:29.07 | minus198 | ustunozgur, You are in the right side XD |
| 20:29.07 | xoz | !start a window manager war |
| 20:29.07 | dpkg | olwm makes me vomit! |
| 20:29.12 | valdyn | SlimG: no. |
| 20:29.13 | minus198 | XFCE4 is the shit! |
| 20:29.19 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10. lol. well you could say that about redhat too |
| 20:29.31 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yes it is!! ;) |
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| 20:30.21 | minus198 | I'll never use anything else than XFCE4 |
| 20:30.28 | minus198 | Maybe KDE.. |
| 20:30.38 | acu | xoz: it seem that moodle has an ecommerce module |
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| 20:30.52 | minus198 | As i said. GNOME gives me the creeps |
| 20:30.53 | minus198 | XD |
| 20:31.12 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: yep. Im always thinking, is there another distro better than debian? The conclusion is always the same: No. The interesting thing about debian is the infrastructure, the scripts, the configurators ... |
| 20:31.23 | SlimG | What happens if I ex. install wine 32bit deb package on an 64bit system and then run an upgrade, would that cause problems? |
| 20:31.29 | ustunozgur | minus198, won't you use XFCE5 and 6? Btw, there is Ratpoison too, though I have never tried that. |
| 20:31.40 | minus198 | ustunozgur, -.- |
| 20:31.54 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: interesting is definately the word. |
| 20:31.55 | minus198 | ustunozgur, never heard of ratpoison XD |
| 20:31.57 | minus198 | But sure |
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| 20:32.18 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: what about gentoo? it's like debian pro |
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| 20:32.36 | xoz | acu: plenty of plugins that you may need also. |
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| 20:33.03 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: gentoo is interesting too, also look at Pardus Linux. Relatively unknown, but interesting to me. They have redone everything in python, even the init scripts! |
| 20:33.18 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: wow |
| 20:33.39 | ustunozgur | yes, Pardus is nice if you can stand KDE. |
| 20:33.56 | ustunozgur | btw, ratpoison is now developed under the name Stumpwm. |
| 20:34.02 | minus198 | ustunozgur, ehm.. ratpoison looked a bit booring.. |
| 20:34.10 | xoz | acu: ecommerce supprts instant credit card processing during enrollment...etc |
| 20:34.30 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: and python has made those scripts so freaking easy to read |
| 20:34.31 | ustunozgur | it is for the ones loving keyboard shortcuts. |
| 20:34.52 | ustunozgur | I mean ratpoison. |
| 20:35.03 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: well, maybe if you can write python |
| 20:35.12 | minus198 | ustunozgur, ok.. |
| 20:35.31 | ustunozgur | especially if you are experienced with emacs. |
| 20:35.37 | minus198 | nano ftw! |
| 20:35.41 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: even if you dont know python, if you go to those pages, and read a little, you will understand whats going on |
| 20:35.44 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: haven't you installed anything yet? ;) |
| 20:36.03 | minus198 | Can someone tell me why there isn't a good MAC OSX bar for xfce? |
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| 20:36.17 | concept10 | def start(): call("System.Service.start", "acpid") |
| 20:36.18 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: well that sounds excellent. still, there is only one os development that would excite me, and it's a while off |
| 20:36.19 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, nope.. I'll have to w8 until tomorrow.. |
| 20:36.27 | minus198 | Got to get my windowsCD's |
| 20:36.29 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: ^^ |
| 20:36.33 | xoz | acu: got to go |
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| 20:37.11 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: (subtly reccomends windows 2000 as the only good version of windows) |
| 20:37.12 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: what os development are you reffering to? |
| 20:37.24 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, ^^ |
| 20:37.45 | minus198 | Hm.. I Could download that from MSDNAA but i think i'll stick to XP |
| 20:38.44 | FuzzyB | The only good version of windows is one that isn't installed |
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| 20:39.09 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: one that gives you total control over processes. when you type, or click, it listens and drops everything else. one that does not allow a process to use every available resource and thus lock you out. something that allows you to prioritise processes in relation to one another, and the same for bus traffic, including network traffic |
| 20:39.14 | minus198 | FuzzyB, TRUE XD |
| 20:39.14 | DASPRiD | Hm, why do I get a permission denied when I try to `crontab -e` with a non-roto user? |
| 20:39.20 | DASPRiD | Debian Sarge |
| 20:39.25 | DASPRiD | *non-root |
| 20:39.34 | minus198 | But its sad that the gamedevelopers doesn't do the games for linux |
| 20:39.45 | DASPRiD | The output is: |
| 20:39.45 | DASPRiD | crontab: installing new crontab |
| 20:39.46 | DASPRiD | crontabs/tmp.G6xKDI: Permission denied |
| 20:39.46 | DASPRiD | crontab: edits left in /tmp/crontab.AbUEDl/crontab |
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| 20:39.47 | minus198 | Only ID software does that |
| 20:39.49 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: correct. the market is too small |
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| 20:40.06 | Dave_is_sexy | but you can run Quake 3! and that's what counts |
| 20:40.11 | minus198 | Love the Quake series thou |
| 20:40.11 | FuzzyB | well |
| 20:40.17 | FuzzyB | half-life runs pretty well under wine |
| 20:40.20 | FuzzyB | and so does wow |
| 20:40.32 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, You can run UnrealTornament, Quake1-3 and doom |
| 20:40.33 | FuzzyB | and you've covered right there probally 60% of the pc gamers out there |
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| 20:40.43 | minus198 | and all the ID softwaregames |
| 20:40.43 | minus198 | XD |
| 20:40.49 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: I dont understand that. Every kernel does that :) |
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| 20:40.58 | Dave_is_sexy | i noticed yesterday, that project64 doesn't wotk in linux. how much does that suck? loads is the answer |
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| 20:41.39 | FuzzyB | project64? |
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| 20:41.42 | FuzzyB | like a n64 emulator? |
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| 20:42.00 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: yes in theory it does. but too much it depends on the programs all behaving well. it is still the case that you can loose control of your system |
| 20:42.13 | Dave_is_sexy | fuzzyb: yeah |
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| 20:42.56 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: maybe you should consider using a real-time kernel. I dont know how it will help you |
| 20:43.21 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: that's beyond my knowledge atm, but i am interested in finding out |
| 20:43.34 | minus198 | DAMN I WANT TO DO DRUGS! |
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| 20:43.35 | DASPRiD | 800 users and nobody knows this problem with crontab? |
| 20:43.37 | minus198 | GIVE ME LSD |
| 20:43.50 | runatrain | how much |
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| 20:44.02 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: marijuana butter ;) |
| 20:44.15 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, I dont want to smoke shit.. |
| 20:44.17 | runatrain | herion is king of the drugs |
| 20:44.27 | runatrain | rigs are yor best bet |
| 20:44.36 | minus198 | Smoke/snort/inject.. That kinda shit aint for me... |
| 20:44.43 | runatrain | it will be |
| 20:44.47 | runatrain | just one shot |
| 20:44.52 | minus198 | no.. |
| 20:44.57 | runatrain | fear |
| 20:45.01 | Dave_is_sexy | lol. |
| 20:45.01 | tarzeau | minus198: play nethack? |
| 20:45.02 | minus198 | I only like hallucinogens and Kaffein |
| 20:45.03 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: What are the permissions on you /usr/bin/crontab? |
| 20:45.06 | dijz | hi, I dont sucess install printer Epson C43SX by cups, what write in "Device URI"? it are port parallel |
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| 20:45.07 | minus198 | tarzeau, ? |
| 20:45.09 | minus198 | Why? |
| 20:45.16 | tarzeau | minus198: you can be on drugs in it :) |
| 20:45.20 | minus198 | haha |
| 20:45.23 | runatrain | snorting oxy is close to banging H |
| 20:45.28 | minus198 | I wnat to do it in RL |
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| 20:45.38 | Whamazoom | OK, i just installed a freebsd, and ported gnome2 (24 hours) and I cannot get X to run gnome.....is BSD a REAL operating system or is it just pure junk? |
| 20:45.39 | DASPRiD | \amethyst: I can open the crontab editor |
| 20:45.50 | DASPRiD | the error message occurs after exiting the editor |
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| 20:46.06 | minus198 | Whamazoom, pcBSD ftw! |
| 20:46.11 | runatrain | ones you snort oxy , it makes you forget about all other drugs |
| 20:46.14 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Is it setgid? |
| 20:46.18 | Whamazoom | pcBSD is a load of junk too |
| 20:46.21 | runatrain | its for kids after that |
| 20:46.25 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Also, what are the permissions in /var/spool/cron ? |
| 20:46.32 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: "real-time kernel" searches are not bringing up useful pages |
| 20:46.32 | minus198 | runatrain, You mean "Air" Oxygen ? |
| 20:46.37 | DASPRiD | drwx--x--T 2 root root 4.0K 2007-03-24 21:05 crontabs |
| 20:46.40 | runatrain | oxy cottin |
| 20:46.41 | minus198 | The thing we breath all the time |
| 20:46.43 | runatrain | 80 mg |
| 20:46.56 | runatrain | crushed up and railed out |
| 20:46.56 | Dave_is_sexy | when was the last time someone mentioned debian? |
| 20:47.05 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: And your /usr/bin/crontab is setgid not setuid? |
| 20:47.09 | minus198 | runatrain, as i said.. I dont like snorting |
| 20:47.18 | runatrain | how you know |
| 20:47.26 | DASPRiD | how do i know? |
| 20:47.32 | Dave_is_sexy | drugs are bad |
| 20:47.33 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: ls -l /usr/bin/crontab |
| 20:47.51 | DASPRiD | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root root 27K 2007-03-12 14:48 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 20:47.59 | runatrain | the thing is, once you dose that much herion, you foget about how it was introduced |
| 20:48.11 | runatrain | i am not sayign thats good |
| 20:48.12 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: you need to start hanging on lwn.net |
| 20:48.20 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: What version of debian is this? |
| 20:48.26 | DASPRiD | Debian Sarge |
| 20:48.34 | minus198 | runatrain, cause i dont want to damage my smellthingy |
| 20:48.34 | DASPRiD | Linux version 2.6.8-3-686-smp (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Tue Dec 5 23:17:50 UTC 2006 |
| 20:48.38 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Hmm... let me check the permissions on the sarge package |
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| 20:49.29 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: wow, they could use a web designer |
| 20:50.48 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Yeah, those permissions aren't quite right |
| 20:50.48 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: so if i just use this http://linux.ece.uci.edu/RED-Linux/ everything will be awesome, and my system will listen to me? |
| 20:51.01 | DASPRiD | how to correct them |
| 20:51.14 | DASPRiD | i'm quite confused about that T flag |
| 20:51.37 | minus198 | Is Hydrogen a good Musicmaking program |
| 20:51.57 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: audacity is good. dunno about hydrogen |
| 20:51.58 | dijz | hi, I dont sucess install printer Epson C43SX by cups, what write in "Device URI"? it are port parallel |
| 20:52.20 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, I don't think that you can really make musik in audacity |
| 20:52.32 | minus198 | thats more cutting musik and stuff |
| 20:52.41 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: oh right. no i guess not. |
| 20:52.41 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: The T means that only the owner of a file can remove it |
| 20:52.44 | minus198 | I want to make music with my MIDI keyboard |
| 20:53.00 | concept10 | Dave_is_sexy: there are many discussions, debates and different implementations of schedulers in Linux. With the real-time patches, linux has set the world record in latency. The best part is that you can choose what you want to use (in kernel config) along with adding patches. It's all about how much time you want to mess around with it. |
| 20:53.05 | DASPRiD | ah thx :), so back to the question, how to correct the rights? |
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| 20:53.19 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: i found a nice site yesterday called linuxeq.com or .org or .net or something. maybe it can help |
| 20:53.21 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Hm... try running /var/lib/dpkg/cron.postinst That sets the permissions, and should fix them up |
| 20:53.38 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, i'll check it out :) |
| 20:53.39 | DASPRiD | no such file? |
| 20:53.49 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: err /var/lib/dpkg/info/cron.postinst |
| 20:53.59 | Dave_is_sexy | concept10: like most people, i'd just like it to work first ;) |
| 20:54.06 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, Damn thats a nice page :) |
| 20:54.12 | concept10 | minus198: theres hundreds of music apps. try rosegarden for midi, there is also a new app called wired which is nice |
| 20:54.17 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: yep. best i've seen of it's type |
| 20:54.21 | DASPRiD | drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4.0K 2007-03-24 21:05 crontabs |
| 20:54.24 | DASPRiD | sounds more right now |
| 20:54.29 | Dave_is_sexy | i can second rosegarden |
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| 20:54.37 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: and the binary? |
| 20:54.46 | Thaiger | Has anyone gotten the wusb11V4 working without ndiswrapper? |
| 20:54.51 | minus198 | concept10, ok. Is there any "reason" like Linuxprogram? |
| 20:54.54 | DASPRiD | -rwxr-sr-x 1 root crontab 27K 2007-03-12 14:48 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 20:55.00 | \amethyst | looks good |
| 20:55.04 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Did you have problems installing or up cron at some point? |
| 20:55.37 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: It's kind of strange that the files have neither the correct nor the default permissions |
| 20:55.41 | \amethyst | s/have/had/' |
| 20:55.54 | DASPRiD | well |
| 20:56.05 | DASPRiD | it's a server installation, a finished image |
| 20:56.09 | DASPRiD | i didn't install it by myself |
| 20:56.22 | DASPRiD | maybe the provider did some "security fixes"? |
| 20:56.31 | concept10 | minus198: wired is sort of like reason. Oh, you can also use Reaper in wine. There is a app called XT2 thats great on windows with a new linux version (depends on wine also). You will _not_ fine something as complete and stable as reason on Linux, yet. |
| 20:57.14 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: perhaps, though really using group root rather than group crontab for that is *less* secure |
| 20:57.28 | concept10 | minus198: http://wired.epitech.net/ |
| 20:57.34 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: never mind that they forgot to make the crontabs directory writable by the group |
| 20:57.36 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 20:57.53 | Mazingaro | is there anyone playing ioUrbanTerror? |
| 20:57.55 | DASPRiD | well however now it worx, thank you :) |
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| 20:58.17 | Dave_is_sexy | http://fvwm-crystal.org/screenshots/music.jpg what're the aps at the far left and right of the panel here? |
| 20:58.18 | \amethyst | If they wanted to disable users from creating their own crontabs, IMHO a better way would have been to remove the setgid |
| 20:58.25 | \amethyst | from the binary, that is |
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| 20:59.16 | minus198 | concept10, thx :) |
| 20:59.33 | \amethyst | Though I guess the effect of their changes were to prevent users from *creating* new crontabs, but not from editing an existing one |
| 20:59.40 | \amethyst | s/were/was/ |
| 21:00.06 | minus198 | Dave_is_sexy, What DE is that? |
| 21:00.09 | minus198 | o_O |
| 21:00.31 | concept10 | minus198: ive been producing music part time for 10 years, primarily on windows.. the linux apps will work, but they have a while to go to catch up with win/macosx |
| 21:00.40 | enouf | minus198: look at rosegarden and ardour while you're at it |
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| 21:00.52 | minus198 | concept10, I can imagine |
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| 21:01.21 | minus198 | Linux had a late start with the visual right? |
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| 21:01.58 | minus198 | What was the first visual enviroment fore linux? |
| 21:02.00 | concept10 | minus198: try this app: it rocks imo: http://www.energy-xt.com/ |
| 21:02.04 | minus198 | When did it show up? |
| 21:02.20 | minus198 | concept10, ok :) |
| 21:02.20 | Dave_is_sexy | minus198: dunno. maybe someone else will. could be gnome |
| 21:02.29 | concept10 | minus198: I can knock out many songs quick with that app |
| 21:02.39 | militant | is there a one-liner for wifi cards? broadcom pcmcia, dell truemobile 1300 to be specific. |
| 21:02.50 | minus198 | concept10, Does it work woth korg k49 ? |
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| 21:03.35 | DASPRiD | uhm |
| 21:03.40 | DASPRiD | \amethyst |
| 21:03.41 | enouf | minus198: also mucho info http://linux-sound.org/ |
| 21:03.44 | DASPRiD | all crontabs of root are lost o.0 |
| 21:03.45 | \amethyst | ? |
| 21:03.55 | minus198 | concept10, Damn.. Quite expensive.. And they dont even have a demo so you can try it out |
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| 21:04.14 | Enverex | Linux needs a good Tracker program... |
| 21:04.16 | concept10 | minus198: of course if you have proper midi drivers. They do have a demo.. btw I use a Korg Karma |
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| 21:04.35 | minus198 | concept10, ok :) |
| 21:04.46 | DASPRiD | did this postinstalll script delete them? :/ |
| 21:04.54 | concept10 | minus198: http://www.energy-xt.com/download/energyXT2.tar.gz |
| 21:05.25 | minus198 | concept10, Ah.. Didn't see the link :) |
| 21:05.34 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Shouldn't... does /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root still exist, and if so what are the perms? |
| 21:05.36 | minus198 | I must bookmark all these pages.. |
| 21:05.43 | minus198 | Its alot! |
| 21:05.46 | DASPRiD | \amethyst: no it doesnt exist anymore |
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| 21:07.31 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: The postinst doesn't delete anything , but it does chown them |
| 21:07.52 | DASPRiD | darn, where can the crontabs be? |
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| 21:08.20 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: There was a root crontab there but there is not anymore? |
| 21:08.25 | DASPRiD | yes |
| 21:08.32 | DASPRiD | i had several crontabs installed |
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| 21:09.07 | minus198 | ehm.. Does anyone know a good Computerchassi? around 100 $ |
| 21:09.16 | minus198 | or 1000 SEK |
| 21:09.17 | minus198 | :P |
| 21:09.26 | runatrain | plywood and ducttape |
| 21:09.39 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: what version is your cron pacakge? |
| 21:09.41 | minus198 | haha |
| 21:09.46 | DASPRiD | dunno |
| 21:09.52 | \amethyst | dpkg -l cron |
| 21:09.52 | dpkg | ii cron 2.5-1 \amethyst's private porn collection |
| 21:10.02 | \amethyst | very funny |
| 21:10.03 | runatrain | stick a pirate flagpole on top of it |
| 21:10.25 | DASPRiD | 3.0pl1-86 |
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| 21:11.37 | DASPRiD | any chance to restore it? |
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| 21:12.37 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: Just to make sure we're looking at the same thing, what does md5sum /var/log/dpkg/info/cron.postinst say? |
| 21:12.41 | DASPRiD | Ah well found an old backup of vhcs2... |
| 21:12.41 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: b277 etc? |
| 21:12.54 | DASPRiD | no such file |
| 21:13.05 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: /var/lib sorry |
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| 21:13.23 | DASPRiD | yes |
| 21:13.26 | DASPRiD | b2... |
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| 21:13.41 | foo | hm, I can't seem to login via ssh with no passphrase... I turned StrictModes no in sshd_config |
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| 21:14.48 | \amethyst | foo: do you mean passphrase or password? |
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| 21:15.32 | foo | \amethyst: passphrase. I create a dsa key with no passphrase, added it in .ssh/authorized_keys.. gah, I've done this a ton of times, I'm probably just too tired. |
| 21:15.57 | \amethyst | foo: you added the public key to .ssh/authorized_keys, right? not the private? |
| 21:16.07 | Justin | !tell foo about debug sshd |
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| 21:16.29 | DASPRiD | \amethyst: could there anywhere a backup of the file |
| 21:17.23 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: I'm looking over the script, and I don't see how it could have removed anything that wasn't named either "allow", "deny", or "status.yesterday.*" |
| 21:17.34 | bruno-cassol | i'm using debian etch at home and windows (forced) at work.. please recomend me an remote access tool like VNC that i can install in debian and is accessible from a linux or windows OS |
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| 21:17.42 | \amethyst | DASPRiD: so I have no idea where they went... |
| 21:17.57 | foo | Justin: hm, how does that help? |
| 21:18.02 | foo | \amethyst: hmm, yeah. id_dsa.pub |
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| 21:18.17 | weilbach | does stable get new features? |
| 21:18.48 | foo | \amethyst: yeah |
| 21:18.51 | DASPRiD | \amethyst: well, hopefully, i could reconstruct most of the file |
| 21:18.52 | DASPRiD | maybe all ... |
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| 21:19.34 | tarzeau | weilbach: no |
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| 21:20.08 | foo | \amethyst: any other ideas of what I'm missing? I've done this dozens of times. Been up for a while, heh |
| 21:20.10 | \amethyst | foo: So what's happening? Are you being asked for a password or a passphrase? |
| 21:20.12 | weilbach | tarzeau: so it stays a block for 2 years |
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| 21:20.25 | \amethyst | foo: or is it just rejecting your authentication |
| 21:20.33 | tarzeau | weilbach: it's not always 2 years |
| 21:20.37 | weilbach | tarzeau: only security and bug fixes? |
| 21:20.44 | tarzeau | weilbach: security fixes only |
| 21:21.01 | tarzeau | weilbach: that's why some people use testing, unstable or ubuntu |
| 21:21.02 | foo | \amethyst: Asking me for a password |
| 21:21.12 | foo | \amethyst: I've checked perms on things, look good |
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| 21:21.53 | foo | \amethyst: ahh |
| 21:22.03 | \amethyst | foo: oh? |
| 21:22.29 | foo | \amethyst: hm, when I do @ip .. it works, @host doesn't .. but the IP is correct ... ahh, |
| 21:22.41 | foo | \amethyst: I am using the WAN IP.. but I don't think that matters /me tries internal |
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| 21:23.04 | foo | \amethyst: bah, that worked. weird. |
| 21:23.06 | foo | \amethyst: thanks |
| 21:23.13 | \amethyst | foo: compare the outputs of ssh -v on both the internal and the wan IP? |
| 21:23.29 | \amethyst | foo: Is the WAN IP actually taking you to the correct machine at all? |
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| 21:24.55 | rhalff_ | minus198: this one seems nice also: http://64studio.com/ based on debian |
| 21:25.07 | minus198 | :) |
| 21:25.33 | minus198 | thank you |
| 21:26.14 | blizzow | What's the proper way to install the nvidia driver on etch. I tried 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common' per wiki.debian.org and that package doesn't exist. |
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| 21:26.31 | hall_ | I have mounted an additional drive in my case, I think I have set the jumpers correctly as a slave. The device does not appear on my desktop. How can i find/mount it plase? |
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| 21:26.44 | \amethyst | blizzow: do you have non-free in your sources? |
| 21:26.58 | foo | \amethyst: hmm, yeah, it is. haha, now I am trying another box to the same server, and it's asking me for a password. I've reconfirmed key, permissions, port... haha. Wow, this is pathetic (me). |
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| 21:27.51 | \amethyst | foo: Anything different about the ssh -v output? And can you turn up log verbosity on the sshd in question? |
| 21:27.54 | foo | \amethyst: ah, newline in the dsa pub key in authorized_keys. haha. |
| 21:28.06 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 21:28.06 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 21:28.09 | \amethyst | foo: But it worked one way? |
| 21:28.18 | bruno-cassol | guys.. if i install vnc server on my debian etch, will vnc client in windows be able to connect to it? |
| 21:28.21 | blizzow | \amethyst: no, that step might be good to put in the wiki. |
| 21:28.36 | blizzow | !<nvidia one-liner> |
| 21:28.37 | NelsonFx | bruno-cassol, yep |
| 21:28.43 | foo | \amethyst: nah, that was one way with another system, ok, I got it. My bad, thank you. |
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| 21:29.12 | jetscreamer | !tell blizzow -about nvidia one-liner |
| 21:29.47 | \amethyst | blizzow: 0. Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources (consult sources.list(5) manpage for help on doing this) |
| 21:29.59 | minus198 | damn.. Im mind is damaged by linux. I dont use Ctrl+c anymore! |
| 21:30.02 | \amethyst | blizzow: if you're talking about the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers page on the wiki |
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| 21:31.08 | tosh| | anyone know any good id3 updaters to update or fill in the id3 tags of mp3s in batch? |
| 21:31.27 | minus198 | tosh|, id3 |
| 21:31.32 | minus198 | apt-get install id3 |
| 21:31.41 | minus198 | its console, but it works |
| 21:32.05 | minus198 | Otherwise you can use xmms or aduacious and change the ID3 tags in the playlist |
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| 21:32.25 | bruno-cassol | console apps so much less potential bugs than gui aps =) |
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| 21:32.49 | fasta | Is yEnc-0.3 (or later) packaged? |
| 21:32.53 | rhalff_ | bruno-cassol: not installing anything will give the least chance of any bug |
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| 21:33.53 | bubshait | hi, how can I convert a debian install from 386 to AMD64? |
| 21:33.58 | mrfan | notte a tutti |
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| 21:35.49 | sep | bubshait, backup user data , reinstall, replace user data |
| 21:36.48 | minus198 | What do you say people? Gigabyte Triton |
| 21:36.56 | minus198 | Is that a nice chassie? |
| 21:37.25 | chantanito | hi guys... |
| 21:37.31 | chantanito | i need some help |
| 21:37.38 | rhalff_ | bubshait: you can use dpkg --get-selections to get a list of what you have installed, then reinstall that list on your new system |
| 21:37.50 | minus198 | chantanito, |
| 21:37.52 | minus198 | !ask |
| 21:37.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:39.14 | rhalff_ | bubshait: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/282 |
| 21:39.23 | bubshait | rhalff_, but I would lose the configuration right? so I should backup /etc |
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| 21:42.54 | bubshait | this will be a hassle, on kernel updates the kernel no longer finds the root filesystem |
| 21:43.08 | chantanito | minus198: i just need to know how to play wma... |
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| 21:43.21 | minus198 | chantanito, ah.. |
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| 21:43.27 | chantanito | minus198: is it possible? |
| 21:43.34 | rhalff_ | chantanito: convert it to ogg :p |
| 21:43.35 | minus198 | apt-get install codecs32 i think |
| 21:43.37 | iwkse | hi all, anybody can advice some gps apps? |
| 21:43.43 | minus198 | w8. let me check |
| 21:43.46 | chantanito | minus198: i use amd64 |
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| 21:44.05 | tiolpxe | is there a way to tell whether my dist-upgrade has actually upgraded me to lenny? |
| 21:44.06 | minus198 | chantanito, ah.. then its a bit difficult.. |
| 21:44.18 | minus198 | i don't even know if its possible |
| 21:44.21 | chantanito | minus198: .... |
| 21:44.26 | minus198 | I know.. |
| 21:44.36 | minus198 | Thats why i don't use 64bit anymore |
| 21:44.37 | chantanito | minus198: i thought that |
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| 21:44.55 | minus198 | chantanito, let me search a bit and i'll be right back |
| 21:44.55 | chantanito | minus198: do you have a 64 bit processor? |
| 21:45.02 | minus198 | chantanito, yupp |
| 21:45.16 | chantanito | minus198: but you use it only in 32 bits mode... |
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| 21:45.45 | minus198 | huh? |
| 21:45.46 | minus198 | o_O |
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| 21:45.54 | minus198 | Yes |
| 21:46.07 | minus198 | I use 32bit Debian Lenny on a AMD64 3500+ |
| 21:46.43 | chantanito | minus198: the same for me... but in Etch.. |
| 21:46.55 | minus198 | ah ok |
| 21:46.56 | chantanito | minus198: and of course, 64 bits |
| 21:47.05 | bubshait | minus198, why do you use 32 bit just for codecs? |
| 21:47.25 | minus198 | bubshait, thats not the only "why" |
| 21:47.34 | minus198 | Flash, Java, Wine m.m. |
| 21:47.55 | minus198 | All those thing is a bit problematic under 64bit |
| 21:48.04 | bubshait | flash is my biggest problem |
| 21:48.10 | bruno-cassol | what are VNC alternatives |
| 21:48.12 | bruno-cassol | ? |
| 21:48.34 | rhalff_ | bubshait: it is possible to use flash in 64-bit firefox I think |
| 21:48.48 | dancek | bruno-cassol: freenx maybe |
| 21:48.49 | minus198 | rhalff_, nope. But if you install a 32bit firefox |
| 21:48.58 | bubshait | rhalff_, I use a chroot for 32 bit firefox |
| 21:49.09 | minus198 | chantanito, Anyways.. Try doing apt-get install w32codecs |
| 21:49.13 | rhalff_ | no it is possilbe, just need to hack something, forgot what, it's somewhere in an ubuntu forum |
| 21:49.14 | bubshait | but the problem is it is annoying |
| 21:49.22 | minus198 | they might have popped up since i tried |
| 21:49.32 | bubshait | but codecs are no longer an issue because almost everything now runs in 64 bit |
| 21:49.48 | minus198 | bubshait, except wmv |
| 21:49.52 | chantanito | minus198: i'm coming... |
| 21:49.58 | bubshait | vlc plays 64 bit well |
| 21:50.07 | bubshait | vlc plays wmv well |
| 21:50.10 | bubshait | in 64 bit |
| 21:50.16 | minus198 | Are you sure.. |
| 21:50.17 | runatrain | man i have a lot to learn about linux :( |
| 21:50.18 | minus198 | I tried.. |
| 21:50.22 | bubshait | when? |
| 21:50.28 | runatrain | whats the best learning site |
| 21:50.41 | rhalff_ | bubshait: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-78789.html |
| 21:50.43 | minus198 | bubshait, in februari maybe.. |
| 21:51.01 | rhalff_ | hmz oops :p |
| 21:51.05 | dancek | runatrain: google.com :) |
| 21:51.14 | bubshait | their latest version plays wmv well, not perfect but enought for me to stop using mplayer in 32bit chroot |
| 21:51.16 | runatrain | help a brotha out man |
| 21:51.26 | runatrain | i dont evn know what to ask yet |
| 21:51.36 | minus198 | bubshait, ok... |
| 21:51.37 | runatrain | no,,, i know a few things |
| 21:51.56 | tarzeau | runatrain: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/ |
| 21:52.03 | dancek | runatrain: then it's a little tricky... you could try tldp.org and read what seems interesting |
| 21:52.17 | bubshait | once they have multi-arch down there shouldn't be any problems |
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| 21:53.00 | bubshait | sad how now almost all cpus are 64bit today, but still no 64 bit codecs or flash! |
| 21:53.11 | runatrain | it sells tho! |
| 21:53.43 | tarzeau | bubshait: so? there are no 8bit codecs or flash either |
| 21:53.48 | tarzeau | bubshait: or 16bit .. |
| 21:54.03 | enouf | why would you expect anything more from proprietary crap? ..insanity |
| 21:54.13 | sep | bubshait, 64 bit have to start somewhere. |
| 21:54.25 | bubshait | tarzeau, there are no 8bit processors either |
| 21:54.31 | tarzeau | bubshait: hahahaha |
| 21:54.35 | sep | bubshait, HAHAHAHAA! |
| 21:54.45 | Enverex | tarzeau, Right, because there are so many desktop PCs that are 8 bit and need Flash |
| 21:54.47 | enouf | keep being dependent upon them, and you got no one else but yourself to smack upside the head |
| 21:54.57 | tarzeau | Enverex: you have no idea |
| 21:55.11 | tarzeau | Enverex: besides NOBODY needs flash |
| 21:55.16 | tarzeau | except, maybe FLASH GORDON! |
| 21:55.23 | tarzeau | or some drug flash |
| 21:55.28 | enouf | ggw? |
| 21:55.28 | Enverex | tarzeau, Wrong emphasis, it should have been on "needs" |
| 21:55.33 | enouf | yummy ;-) |
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| 21:55.46 | fasta | bubshait: HAHAHAHA |
| 21:55.57 | tarzeau | there are no 8bit processors is really good |
| 21:56.09 | tarzeau | bubshait: you probably have about 20 - 50 of them in your house |
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| 21:56.12 | sep | tarzeau, perhaps worty of a qotd |
| 21:56.24 | tarzeau | sep: definitely |
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| 21:56.41 | tarzeau | sep: i really miss the 8bit computers, turn on, and get a working prompt in a quarter of a second |
| 21:56.44 | bubshait | tarzeau, all of them in dire need to run flash apps |
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| 21:56.51 | tarzeau | sep: atari 800/xl and c-64 were so great |
| 21:56.54 | sep | tarzeau, i still use my C64 |
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| 21:57.01 | tarzeau | bubshait: macromedia flash is bullshit |
| 21:57.07 | tarzeau | sep: you're not alone :) |
| 21:57.12 | bubshait | tarzeau, I agree |
| 21:57.15 | sep | alto mostly for nostalgia |
| 21:57.16 | Enverex | Pretty sure C64 was 16bit wasn't it? |
| 21:57.25 | tarzeau | sep: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/vcfe2007/ |
| 21:57.33 | tarzeau | Enverex: very sure |
| 21:58.10 | fasta | tarzeau: is there a substitute for streaming video where the user can request to skip stuff? |
| 21:58.25 | fasta | tarzeau: hmm, never mind, there is :) |
| 21:58.33 | zinx | my mouse is 8bit :/ |
| 21:58.41 | Enverex | Have you ever seen that "Hey Hey 16k" song? |
| 21:58.41 | fasta | vlc can, IIRC. |
| 21:58.49 | Enverex | I'd listen to it but no Flash on AMD64 >( |
| 21:59.18 | sep | was it not a 8bit MOS 6510 |
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| 21:59.46 | sep | but 16bit address bus |
| 22:00.08 | Enverex | ooh, Wine... |
| 22:00.25 | Enverex | Damn you Abobe |
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| 22:00.34 | Enverex | and damn you Gnash for sucking so much |
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| 22:00.53 | tarzeau | Enverex: yeah adobe sucks big time, like sun |
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| 22:01.46 | Mark_Iron | hi tarzeau .. why do you mean ... sun sucks ? |
| 22:01.51 | chantanito | minus198: i'm back... |
| 22:02.01 | minus198 | chantanito, ok |
| 22:02.01 | concept10 | tarzeau, did you know about that javascript tracking in acroread? |
| 22:02.01 | Mark_Iron | tarzeau: I don't like Adobe either .. |
| 22:02.08 | chantanito | minus198: sorry, my CRT is dead... |
| 22:02.16 | minus198 | chantanito, xD |
| 22:02.20 | minus198 | chantanito, anyways.. |
| 22:02.21 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/32963.html |
| 22:02.29 | hall_ | if a drive reports that it is 'inaccessible' (using gnome GUI) how can I make it accessible? |
| 22:02.31 | minus198 | Did you install w32codecs if it worked? |
| 22:02.32 | tarzeau | concept10: i don't use adobe non-free software, so i can't care less |
| 22:02.34 | Mark_Iron | thank you tarzeau ;-) |
| 22:02.37 | chantanito | minus198: i think it's time for a change... |
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| 22:02.47 | minus198 | change of what? |
| 22:02.48 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/sun/ |
| 22:02.51 | sep | tarzeau, nice machines :) |
| 22:02.54 | chantanito | minus198: of monitor... |
| 22:03.01 | minus198 | chantanito, ah XD |
| 22:03.13 | chantanito | minus198: i don't have w32-codecs in amd64.... |
| 22:03.27 | minus198 | have you tried? |
| 22:04.02 | chantanito | minus198: not... i haven't... and now i can't, my CRT doens't work at all... |
| 22:04.22 | minus198 | chantanito, Are you on another computer? |
| 22:04.29 | chantanito | minus198: yeah.... |
| 22:04.39 | minus198 | chantanito, change the monitors then XD |
| 22:04.43 | chantanito | minus198: but it's not mine... |
| 22:04.47 | minus198 | ah ok |
| 22:05.16 | minus198 | Anyways.. VLC can work.. but before.. Be sure to try and install w32codecs |
| 22:05.54 | chantanito | minus198: so, any other suggestion? |
| 22:06.06 | Mark_Iron | very interesting !!! @ tarzeau :-))) |
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| 22:06.19 | Flapp | ppl help! |
| 22:06.25 | Flapp | please |
| 22:06.25 | Flapp | :( |
| 22:06.31 | minus198 | chantanito, nope.. |
| 22:06.36 | Flapp | the windows-installer for debian |
| 22:06.36 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: with? |
| 22:06.39 | Flapp | from goodbye-microsoft |
| 22:06.45 | SerajewelKS | !tell Flapp about enter |
| 22:06.53 | minus198 | chantanito, you can use mencoder and change it to avi or something |
| 22:06.57 | Flapp | sorry |
| 22:07.13 | chantanito | give a minute... |
| 22:07.15 | minus198 | !enter |
| 22:07.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:07.17 | chantanito | minus198... |
| 22:07.27 | Flapp | I wanted to dual boot debian with my windows vista, but decided at the last moment not to, now everytime i want to boot vista it goes to the installer, how do i remove it? |
| 22:07.43 | SerajewelKS | minus198: msg the bot |
| 22:07.59 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: what installer? |
| 22:08.07 | Flapp | goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 22:08.24 | rhalff_ | Flapp: remove the cdrom :p |
| 22:08.26 | Flapp | ... |
| 22:08.36 | Flapp | it writes to the bootsector, so you automatically boot into the installer |
| 22:08.36 | bruno-cassol | (o0) |
| 22:08.46 | Flapp | it overwrites vista's bootloader |
| 22:08.55 | sep | !fixmbr |
| 22:08.55 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 22:09.03 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: no it does not |
| 22:09.07 | *** mode/#debian [+l 780] by debhelper |
| 22:09.12 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: it adds an entry to the windows bootloader |
| 22:09.23 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: just remove that entry |
| 22:09.27 | Flapp | where is the vista bootloader located?since its not boot.ini |
| 22:09.39 | Flapp | nd it looked in the boot with bcdedit |
| 22:09.44 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: it should be boot.ini, it's a hidden "operating system file" |
| 22:09.49 | xand | replace vista with debian |
| 22:09.58 | Flapp | xand im running gentoo instead of debian |
| 22:10.04 | xand | Flapp: disgusting |
| 22:10.04 | Flapp | but I still need vista for my games xD |
| 22:10.07 | Flapp | ... |
| 22:10.11 | Flapp | portage > apt |
| 22:10.15 | xand | wrong |
| 22:10.16 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: so why the fuck are you asking #debian for help, go ask #gentoo |
| 22:10.18 | xand | !greenhouse |
| 22:10.18 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:10.19 | Flapp | but i dont need a gentoo vs debian help |
| 22:10.24 | Flapp | SerajewelKS, because im still stuck |
| 22:10.28 | Flapp | with the debian installer xD |
| 22:10.31 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: not our problem |
| 22:10.38 | xand | ask ##windows |
| 22:10.50 | Flapp | so because I rather choose gentoo over debian, you wont help me with a debian cause problem? |
| 22:10.52 | Flapp | caused* |
| 22:10.59 | xand | seems reasonable |
| 22:11.08 | Kevin` | lol |
| 22:11.12 | Flapp | ... |
| 22:11.16 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: the installer you used was created by someone in the debian project, but it's not supported by debian |
| 22:11.24 | Flapp | hmm |
| 22:11.25 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: so we are not obligated to help you with this |
| 22:11.38 | Flapp | i know, im still very glad you chose to help me |
| 22:11.47 | Flapp | kindoff |
| 22:11.59 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: the only thing we can suggest is to edit your boot.ini |
| 22:12.04 | Flapp | vista doesn't use a boot.ini |
| 22:12.07 | Flapp | thats the problem |
| 22:12.09 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: this is a windows-related problem |
| 22:12.13 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: so ask ##windows |
| 22:12.18 | Flapp | ah well |
| 22:12.18 | Kevin` | ##windows would know what vista uses, if the right people are there |
| 22:12.20 | Flapp | thanks for your time |
| 22:12.23 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: we don't use windows, that's why this is #debian |
| 22:12.23 | Kevin` | I doubt many here have seen vista at all |
| 22:12.36 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i have enough to know that it's shit |
| 22:12.39 | xand | sadly I had to write poxy vista documentation at work |
| 22:12.41 | Flapp | btw |
| 22:12.47 | Flapp | why do you think apt > portage? |
| 22:12.48 | Flapp | tell me |
| 22:13.10 | sep | Flapp, try it and make up your own mind |
| 22:13.11 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: why bother, you're obviously already convinced |
| 22:13.15 | xand | Flapp: I mad no such claim |
| 22:13.18 | xand | *made |
| 22:13.22 | Flapp | I have tried both |
| 22:13.33 | xand | but anyway, it's a waste of time compiling the gentoo way |
| 22:13.34 | sep | Flapp, so why ask us ? |
| 22:13.44 | Flapp | because you said you thought it was better |
| 22:13.49 | xand | no I din't |
| 22:13.50 | xand | bah |
| 22:13.55 | Flapp | someone did xD |
| 22:14.00 | SerajewelKS | xand: yeah, you did actually |
| 22:14.04 | xand | no I did not |
| 22:14.08 | Flapp | i just wanted to hear your view |
| 22:14.09 | Flapp | xD |
| 22:14.11 | xand | I said portage wasn't better than apt |
| 22:14.13 | SerajewelKS | xand: unless you were replying to "i still need vista for games" |
| 22:14.18 | SerajewelKS | xand: ah |
| 22:14.19 | Flapp | why is the linux community so divided :P |
| 22:14.26 | Kevin` | vista, for games? |
| 22:14.26 | zinx | "not greater than" isn't the same as "less than". |
| 22:14.31 | xand | indeed |
| 22:14.32 | Kevin` | vista is too heavy :/ |
| 22:14.37 | Flapp | why dont the yum apt nd portage ppl just work together to make 1 even better package manager |
| 22:14.38 | sep | Flapp, becouse it's made up of individuals. and not sheep |
| 22:14.41 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: vista is too... shit |
| 22:14.52 | Flapp | @sep & SerajewelKS true |
| 22:14.59 | xand | vista is a big steaming pile of... |
| 22:14.59 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: people have different ideas |
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| 22:15.05 | sep | Flapp, they cater for different people with different needs |
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| 22:15.25 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: you don't want them working on the same thing, because they'd fight with each other and never get anything done |
| 22:15.27 | garo | I use both, debian for most servertasks and gentoo for most desktoptasks |
| 22:15.45 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: you can't take two great teams and make a better team that produces better software |
| 22:15.46 | Flapp | we just need some hierarchy in the community |
| 22:15.50 | bruno-cassol | guys... how can i see processor usage? maybe there is a nice widget for gnome with some luck? |
| 22:15.55 | Flapp | someone to guide things into the correct paths |
| 22:16.01 | Flapp | you dont need 15 different window managers |
| 22:16.09 | Flapp | or why the hell is xfree86 still being developed |
| 22:16.14 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: in the terms of a prof of mine, you can't take nine women and have a baby in one month. software works the same way. |
| 22:16.16 | Flapp | its in no way superior to xorg-x11 |
| 22:16.33 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: why don't you need 15 different window managers |
| 22:16.46 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: maybe there are 15 groups of people out there who want things their way |
| 22:16.51 | Flapp | still |
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| 22:17.02 | xand | window managers aren't linux things anyway |
| 22:17.06 | xand | they're *nix things |
| 22:17.07 | Flapp | some ppl can use another to if the ppl who devved it could be used for something else usefull |
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| 22:17.18 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: maybe they don't want to work on something else |
| 22:17.18 | xand | Flapp: eh? |
| 22:17.24 | dErFF | so window manager isnt really needed? |
| 22:17.26 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: nobody is getting paid |
| 22:17.34 | Flapp | true |
| 22:17.34 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: at least not most of them |
| 22:17.37 | xand | dErFF: it's not *needed* but it's useful ;) |
| 22:17.41 | Flapp | but i get the feeling ppl are working past eachoter |
| 22:17.43 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: they will work on whatever the hell they want to work on |
| 22:17.47 | bruno-cassol | an sometimes great teams merge... see Beryl and Compiz... =) |
| 22:17.47 | Flapp | so doing the same thing 3 times |
| 22:17.48 | sep | Flapp, people make those 15 wm's becouse they saw the need for it. nobody forces you to use it |
| 22:17.52 | agent | Does anyone know of good documentation on what makes a strong LUKS passphrase and what makes it weak? |
| 22:17.56 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: and if that is something that you don't think is useful, do you think they really give a rat's ass? |
| 22:18.00 | dErFF | ? ,tutorial |
| 22:18.07 | dErFF | ? tutorial |
| 22:18.19 | Flapp | SerajewelKS, i don't but you could use the manpower on achieving something else |
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| 22:18.30 | sep | Flapp, if you like the one software to rule them all aproch you should use microsoft, they are into that shit. :) |
| 22:18.31 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: maybe the manpower doesn't want to be used on something else |
| 22:18.47 | Wyzard | Flapp: Why do we have different companies, like Compaq and Dell, who build products that are basically the same? Why don't the employees just combine into one mega-company and make even better products? |
| 22:18.55 | xand | Flapp: if you're going to go there, there are many other activities that shouldn't have manpower wasted on them |
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| 22:19.08 | Flapp | true |
| 22:19.08 | Wyzard | Flapp: Competition spurs innovation, and that's true in the free-software world too :-) |
| 22:19.08 | bruno-cassol | like war |
| 22:19.17 | xand | Wyzard: well.... compaq and hp did that ;P |
| 22:19.19 | SerajewelKS | xand: like the production of reality tv |
| 22:19.29 | Wyzard | xand: yeah, but there are still lots of others |
| 22:19.29 | bruno-cassol | like 99% of tv |
| 22:19.32 | xand | SerajewelKS: that's one example but not what i was thinking |
| 22:19.47 | rhalff_ | Wyzard: yeah, and why don't we all speak chinese and just all have the same wage |
| 22:20.10 | bruno-cassol | yea why not everbody tries to look sexy liek me |
| 22:20.14 | bruno-cassol | like* |
| 22:20.19 | Flapp | xD |
| 22:20.21 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: i really don't think your argument is going to get anywhere here, but i did feel the same way a while ago |
| 22:20.34 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: but i learned that this decentralization is in fact one of linux's strongest points |
| 22:20.42 | Flapp | it is? |
| 22:20.44 | Gnea | bruno-cassol: you look sexy? :P |
| 22:21.05 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: yes it is. microsoft goes belly-up, who supports your vista installation? |
| 22:21.08 | Flapp | for example the linux kernel itself was written by not that many ppl, nd that one is kinda good |
| 22:21.26 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: novell goes belly up and we mourn a day and continue |
| 22:21.45 | war | <bruno-cassol> like war |
| 22:21.48 | war | bruno-cassol: sir? |
| 22:22.05 | Gnea | lol |
| 22:22.08 | SerajewelKS | war: i think he was trying to say that you waste your time |
| 22:22.14 | SerajewelKS | war: but i'm not sure ;) |
| 22:22.19 | xand | bruno-cassol: war was the example I was thinking of, but didn't want to start a... war |
| 22:22.24 | Flapp | SerajewelKS, but novell is evil xD |
| 22:22.28 | xand | war is a waste of time IMO ;) |
| 22:22.34 | Flapp | they make money over the backs of the open-source community |
| 22:22.34 | Gnea | Flapp: what isn't evil? |
| 22:22.40 | Flapp | flowers |
| 22:22.42 | Flapp | nd bumblebees |
| 22:22.51 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: yes i'm sure slashdot has the whole hype story |
| 22:22.51 | Flapp | nd all that is good |
| 22:22.53 | xand | don't bees sting? |
| 22:23.03 | Gnea | but bumblebees make Honey over the backs of open flowers |
| 22:23.06 | Flapp | xand, only if they are provoked |
| 22:23.15 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: the GPL does not prevent selling software |
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| 22:23.32 | Flapp | Gnea, the flowers want the bees to collect the nectar for their honey, so the flowers get spread |
| 22:23.38 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: if you want to point fingers at someone, go raise some hell at transgaming |
| 22:23.40 | Flapp | the nectar in flowers is just to attract insects |
| 22:23.45 | Flapp | whats transgaming? |
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| 22:23.57 | Gnea | Flapp: and the open source community wants to see linux on the desktop. |
| 22:24.13 | tonyb2006 | How can I tell OpenOffice.org to use the GTK+ Interface when I'm not using gnome. |
| 22:24.16 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: a company that forked wine from when it used the MIT license, so they could release it as a commercial product |
| 22:24.22 | Gnea | !transgaming |
| 22:24.22 | dpkg | methinks transgaming is adding a full implementation of the DirectX API to Wine (known as WineX), see http://www.transgaming.com/ for CVS / patches. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02174.html |
| 22:24.27 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: it's a non-free-software fork of wine |
| 22:24.32 | Flapp | SerajewelKS, omg ill set that company on fire! |
| 22:24.49 | Gnea | Flapp: you seem to have a problem with money in general |
| 22:24.55 | Flapp | yes |
| 22:25.07 | Gnea | why? |
| 22:25.09 | Flapp | the way money controlls ppls lives is evil |
| 22:25.14 | Flapp | money is a way to achieve a goal |
| 22:25.17 | Flapp | it shouldn't be a goal |
| 22:25.25 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: if you're going to be an idealist can you be that somewhere else? |
| 22:25.26 | Gnea | that's because people have made it that way |
| 22:25.28 | xand | down with capitalism |
| 22:25.30 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: this is really getting off-topic |
| 22:25.33 | Flapp | sorry |
| 22:25.38 | Flapp | back to the debian talk! |
| 22:25.39 | Gnea | get a clue before going off on off-topic discussion |
| 22:25.44 | tonyb2006 | K...How can I tell OpenOffice.org to use the GTK+ Interface when I'm not using gnome. |
| 22:25.58 | Flapp | bye thanks for the help! |
| 22:26.05 | SerajewelKS | Flapp: later, np |
| 22:26.06 | Nyle | I lie wounded, on wintery ground with hundred of corpses all around. Many wounded, crawl helplessly around, on the blood red snowy ground. WAR! Cries of the HAHAHAHA suffering sound. Cries for help to all their dead moms. WAR! Many hours of music, many drops of blood. Many shiverings, and now I am dead. Still... we must never give up, on WAR! WAR! WAAAARRRR! |
| 22:26.20 | Nyle | War is not a waste of time. |
| 22:26.37 | Gnea | Nyle: get the fuck out. |
| 22:26.45 | Nyle | of where? |
| 22:26.50 | Gnea | here. |
| 22:26.52 | Nyle | why? |
| 22:26.55 | wintix | good plan. |
| 22:27.18 | Gnea | Nyle: because you're off-topic, not helping anyone and being annoying. |
| 22:27.21 | bruno-cassol | money = power war + victory = power so: war + victory = money money is a waste of time and it is sooo limiting.. beacuse of that money exists so many genius couldn't have a chance to develop themselves and produce to the world |
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| 22:27.31 | Nyle | Gnea: dude... fuck off. |
| 22:27.53 | dErFF | right now im using fluxbox, but in the original debian system i can visit the 'filesystem'. how can i do that with fluxbox? |
| 22:28.00 | Gnea | !ops Nyle is offtopic, rude and non-helpful. |
| 22:28.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: gnea complains about: Nyle is offtopic, rude and non-helpful. |
| 22:28.00 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: i'm not sure you want to continue this fight |
| 22:28.08 | SerajewelKS | Nyle: you might not like where it ends |
| 22:28.10 | Nyle | dErFF: in console you can just browse the filesystem |
| 22:28.19 | Gnea | RichiH: wait. |
| 22:28.21 | Nyle | dErFF: or you can actually just aptitude intsall gentoo |
| 22:28.27 | dErFF | yes but im not familiar with it |
| 22:28.30 | Nyle | its a good file system browser, dual pane |
| 22:28.34 | dErFF | ok |
| 22:28.41 | Gnea | heh |
| 22:28.49 | Gnea | stoned: damn you! :) |
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| 22:28.56 | SerajewelKS | busted |
| 22:28.56 | wintix | hehe. |
| 22:28.59 | stoned | Gnea: im not going to talk to you anymore |
| 22:29.08 | RichiH | stoned: i think you should sober up, somehwat |
| 22:29.11 | Gnea | stoned: you keep switching nicks :P |
| 22:29.11 | stoned | you have a horrible memory |
| 22:29.16 | p0seidon | hey |
| 22:29.20 | modern | sup |
| 22:29.29 | Gnea | stoned: stick with one nick |
| 22:29.33 | esaym | Can anyone enlighten me on if I should file a bug report against adept: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=69410 |
| 22:29.38 | RichiH | Gnea: and i think you can find nicer words to ask someone to leave |
| 22:29.47 | stoned | Gnea: my name is Nyle and my nick is stoned |
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| 22:30.27 | stoned | dErFF: actually you can use any kde/gtk2 or whatever file browser in fluxbox too |
| 22:30.28 | mezoko | Hi |
| 22:30.48 | mezoko | What can I use to lock down gnome to a regular user, like preventing the user from changing the wallpaper, icons, theme, etc... |
| 22:30.48 | dErFF | ooo |
| 22:30.52 | modern | you tell me |
| 22:30.53 | p0seidon | don't know |
| 22:31.01 | stoned | dErFF: try thunar for minimal gtk2 stuff, konqueror if you like kde, if you're low on resources, you can even try xfce's fs browser |
| 22:31.11 | stoned | dErFF: fluxbox is just a window manager |
| 22:31.20 | Gnea | mezoko: try #gnome |
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| 22:31.48 | wintix | stoned: isn' |
| 22:31.55 | wintix | t thunar the xfce file broser? |
| 22:31.57 | stoned | wintix: yesir? |
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| 22:32.04 | dErFF | yea, im using a 64mb machine >< |
| 22:32.14 | stoned | wintix: starting in xfce 4.4 yes |
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| 22:32.27 | Gnea | RichiH: sorry for wasting your time. :/ |
| 22:32.30 | stoned | wintix: but it is still 3rd party afaik. xffm is still the official one |
| 22:32.38 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a fairly decient tool for managing cron jobs..(something i can run via a console or a web management console) |
| 22:32.39 | wintix | stoned: ah. i see. |
| 22:33.13 | stoned | !info kcron |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | kcron: (the KDE crontab editor), section admin, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 189 kB, Installed size: 544 kB |
| 22:33.18 | RichiH | Gnea: don't sweat it. the channel is better off than it was 10 minutes before. if that is due to me peaking in or not *shrug* |
| 22:33.23 | stoned | thats the only one I know of grendal_prime |
| 22:33.31 | stoned | kcron or manually edit crontab |
| 22:33.47 | stoned | RichiH: ;) |
| 22:34.12 | RichiH | stoned: assumed as much, yah :) |
| 22:34.15 | stoned | hes done this !ops thing on me once before too, for absolutely no reason at all |
| 22:34.30 | stoned | RichiH: actually it wasn't because of you, I just woke up saw some bs on war and thought i'd chime in. |
| 22:34.37 | RichiH | stoned: well, you were a bit random earlier |
| 22:34.50 | RichiH | you can't really draw a line and just section stuff up |
| 22:34.59 | stoned | exactly |
| 22:35.06 | stoned | anyway.. i smell chinese food |
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| 22:35.14 | RichiH | stoned: there is always #politics |
| 22:35.21 | stoned | RichiH: I've no use for it |
| 22:35.26 | RichiH | or ##politics if you care for actual discussion |
| 22:35.41 | stoned | nah, i hate discussing religion and politics |
| 22:35.55 | stoned | oooh sesame chicken |
| 22:35.59 | stoned | im gone dudes |
| 22:36.25 | concept10 | stoned, save me some |
| 22:36.55 | stoned | concept10: its nice to have food brought to you when you wake up, family kicks ass ;) |
| 22:37.42 | stoned | grendal_prime: kcron is nice, but you should still learn/read the manpage |
| 22:37.50 | concept10 | stoned, thats cool |
| 22:38.08 | stoned | concept10: hows the soundbox going? |
| 22:38.13 | stoned | +project |
| 22:38.24 | stoned | effects processor or whatever |
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| 22:39.15 | concept10 | stoned, slow at the moment, I havent been able to touch it this week, im generally in the stage of selecting and buidling the packages that I want on there |
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| 22:39.43 | stoned | concept10: I have a BOSS ME 50 FX board... its a box of bees |
| 22:39.53 | stoned | bzzzz noizzzzy |
| 22:40.07 | concept10 | heh |
| 22:40.19 | stoned | either that, or my cables suck.. too much line noise |
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| 22:40.45 | stoned | concept10: what software in debian *packaged* can i use to clean up the line noise |
| 22:40.46 | Stephaknee | heya |
| 22:41.01 | stoned | clean the input signal a little bit.. I use audacity but I can't figure out which plugins to use |
| 22:41.09 | chantanito | minus198: you were telling me? |
| 22:41.18 | minus198 | chantanito, huh? |
| 22:41.21 | Stephaknee | I was using OSS, with no problems, but i installed ALSA in an effort to try to get adobe flash's sound working.....now i totally have no sound working. Any suggestions on what to do about it? |
| 22:41.24 | chantanito | minus198: use mencoder? is not for video? |
| 22:41.40 | chantanito | minus198: i'm talkin' 'bout wma.... |
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| 22:42.09 | minus198 | wma, ah.. i tought that you where talking about wmv |
| 22:42.16 | minus198 | xD |
| 22:42.37 | concept10 | stoned, not sure on software methods, I always start with hardware first, because as the saying goes bs in-bs out. Software is around to accomplish this but it is very hard to separate noise from the actual content, so in some cases you lose some good stuff to eliminate noise. |
| 22:42.40 | wintix | Stephaknee: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 22:42.50 | yettenet | Which command do I need to install .deb files? |
| 22:42.58 | chantanito | minus198: is there a way to convert the files from wma to ogg? |
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| 22:43.06 | wintix | Stephaknee: and maybe run alsaconf. |
| 22:43.07 | stoned | concept10: hmm.. I'll try to find a di box then |
| 22:43.14 | wintix | yettenet: man dpkg |
| 22:43.16 | chantanito | minus198: i haven't searched... |
| 22:43.23 | minus198 | chantanito, here is a script |
| 22:43.23 | minus198 | www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:43.25 | yettenet | Thx, Winkie |
| 22:43.25 | minus198 | ops |
| 22:43.33 | yettenet | Sry, not Winkie, wintix |
| 22:43.34 | yettenet | :D |
| 22:43.37 | minus198 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/Convert_WMA_to_MP3 |
| 22:43.42 | minus198 | There chantanito |
| 22:43.45 | minus198 | Try that |
| 22:44.21 | Stephaknee | wintix: cool. |
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| 22:45.07 | Heston | roughly how much space on root is requires to install a linux image? |
| 22:45.15 | Heston | required* |
| 22:45.26 | wintix | Heston: a linux image? |
| 22:45.49 | Heston | linux kernel image, sorry |
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| 22:45.55 | sep | Heston, aptitude show packagename look at the Uncompressed Size: line |
| 22:46.03 | minus198 | Damn.. Its 1 AM! I Maybe should go to bed now.. |
| 22:46.04 | criminy | how do I get a usable NAIM client in debian stable |
| 22:46.07 | minus198 | Cya'll |
| 22:46.10 | sep | keep in mind you might have to dl it /var/cache too |
| 22:46.34 | criminy | or maybe another terminal aim client that replaces naim for stable? |
| 22:46.36 | Heston | well ive got 18 megs free on root and its failing' |
| 22:46.56 | Stephaknee | wintix: uhm, wow, it claims i dont have a supported soundcard. |
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| 22:47.07 | AndroidData | guys guys |
| 22:47.12 | AndroidData | its my mouse |
| 22:47.14 | AndroidData | um |
| 22:47.18 | AndroidData | oh wait |
| 22:47.19 | Stephaknee | wintix: would my soundcard actually be supported by OSS but not ALSA, or is something screwed up with this? |
| 22:47.20 | chantanito | minus198: ok, thanks.... i'm leaving... the laptop, i mean, the friend is leaving... |
| 22:47.35 | minus198 | chantanito, nvm.. Good Luck |
| 22:47.47 | AndroidData | how do I adjust my mouse settings? I mean, my mouse has two buttons on the side of it and a middle mouse button + scroller at the center. |
| 22:47.48 | wintix | Stephaknee: are you running a debian stock kernel? what sound card do you have? 'lspci' will tell you what soundcard you have. |
| 22:47.49 | chantanito | ok... |
| 22:47.59 | Stephaknee | wintix: its a stock kernel. |
| 22:48.15 | Stephaknee | 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
| 22:48.26 | AndroidData | I want to bind those to different functions... right now my middle mouse button is a "paste" button, and when I browse the internet and press it on accident it tries to goto the URL that's on the clipboard |
| 22:48.37 | Stephaknee | ive had that sound card since 1998, heh. |
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| 22:49.31 | tonyb2006 | I have 2 AudioPCI cards in my drawer |
| 22:49.55 | wintix | Stephaknee: hmm. what kernel are you running? |
| 22:49.58 | Stephaknee | tonyb2006: i actually had to replace this at a cost of $20 in like 2001 because a connector was worn out on it. |
| 22:50.03 | Stephaknee | wintix: no idea. |
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| 22:50.20 | wintix | Stephaknee: 'uname -r' |
| 22:50.27 | Stephaknee | wintix: im getting ready to dump this whole system soon and start fresh anyway, so lets do a minimum of work, for the record. |
| 22:50.39 | Stephaknee | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:50.41 | Stephaknee | hmm. |
| 22:51.10 | wintix | Stephaknee: i just looked into my linux-2.6 kernel config and there it has alsa support for your card. maybe your system (kernel) ist too old. |
| 22:51.22 | Stephaknee | wintix: shall i try the 2.4 alsa one-liner instructions? |
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| 22:52.03 | Stephaknee | wintix: the kernel couldnt possibly be too old, i've had the card since 1998 |
| 22:52.14 | wintix | Stephaknee: you could try but i don't think it will work since alsaconf told you that it doesn't find any usable soundcard. |
| 22:52.15 | Stephaknee | and its worked fine in linux for like forever. |
| 22:52.24 | wintix | Stephaknee: well. it workes with OSS :) |
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| 22:53.07 | wintix | Stephaknee: my guess is that there was no alsa support for your card in the kernel you are running. |
| 22:53.30 | wintix | Stephaknee: maybe try #alsa |
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| 22:53.46 | Stephaknee | wintix: well how can i just make OSS work again? |
| 22:53.52 | bbelt16ag | hello everyone |
| 22:54.34 | wintix | Stephaknee: uninstall the alsa packages (maybe reboot to get the alsa modules out of the system or just unload them) and it should work again. |
| 22:55.12 | wintix | haven |
| 22:55.17 | wintix | ''t used oss for a long time. |
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| 22:55.28 | Stephaknee | by the way, how unstable is the unstable tree? |
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| 22:55.44 | Stephaknee | i'm on testing and im really sick of everything being really outdated, and to be honest, this is already not very stable. |
| 22:55.50 | Stephaknee | even if i havent upgraded in a few months. |
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| 22:56.34 | wintix | Stephaknee: it breaks every now and then. don't use it, if you don't kno what you are doing. |
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| 22:56.56 | wintix | Stephaknee: by the way. why has your testing system still a 2.4 kernel? |
| 22:57.03 | Stephaknee | wintix: heck if i know. |
| 22:57.21 | wintix | Stephaknee: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 22:57.26 | Stephaknee | wintix: i was actually thinking about going back to gentoo, then i'd know everythings pretty new. But the whole reason i switched to debian was because i hated compiling everything from source. Of course, i was also on dialup back then. |
| 22:57.37 | Stephaknee | 4.0 |
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| 22:57.57 | AndroidData | how does one configure mouse bindings? |
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| 22:59.13 | wintix | Stephaknee: lenny, the current stable is pretty recent (compared to sarge). just backport or compile the stuff you need in a recent version and be all set? |
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| 22:59.41 | Stephaknee | wintix: but the thing is theres a lot thats really outdated on what i do have. |
| 23:00.15 | Stephaknee | and some of these programs dont work very well, which could potentially be because theyre outdated or something |
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| 23:00.53 | Stephaknee | wintix: and i know that they have to use outdated stuff to an extent for stability, but....you know. |
| 23:01.32 | overclocker | hi, anyone has a working config in etch with libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql? |
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| 23:02.16 | wintix | !tell overclocker about anyone |
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| 23:02.33 | Stephaknee | lol |
| 23:02.39 | Stephaknee | !tell stephanie about anyone |
| 23:02.43 | Stephaknee | oops |
| 23:02.47 | Stephaknee | !tell stephaknee about anyone |
| 23:02.56 | wintix | Stephaknee: msg the bot. e.g.: /msg dpkg anyone |
| 23:03.17 | Stephaknee | ok. |
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| 23:03.42 | Heston | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:03.49 | Stephaknee | it was what i expected. |
| 23:04.06 | Stephaknee | But you have to admit that its worth a giggle |
| 23:04.19 | AndroidData | how does one configure mouse bindings? |
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| 23:04.40 | Heston | AndroidData, with your xorf conf |
| 23:04.45 | Heston | xorg |
| 23:04.46 | Stephaknee | wintix: how the heck do people choose a distribution anyway? |
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| 23:04.55 | runatrain | street cred |
| 23:04.59 | overclocker | hi, i'm having problems with the example config of libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql in ethc?, i've a core dump, ideas? |
| 23:05.05 | runatrain | who haas the most homies |
| 23:05.14 | AndroidData | ? elaborate |
| 23:05.20 | bbelt16ag | the package utils? |
| 23:05.22 | Stephaknee | this whole distribution reload and possible change is supposed to go along with a hardware overhaul and stuff. |
| 23:05.24 | AndroidData | I know about /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:05.28 | wintix | Stephaknee: depends on what you need. |
| 23:05.29 | AndroidData | but what do I need to change in it? |
| 23:05.51 | Heston | AndroidData, google what you're trying to accomplish |
| 23:05.55 | SerajewelKS | AndroidData: what mouse bindings |
| 23:06.09 | Heston | with your mouse name included in the search |
| 23:06.09 | wintix | Stephaknee: i normally only use debian. stable for servers, testing for desktops and unstable for my desktop. |
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| 23:06.18 | cafuego | Stephaknee: Sicne most distros are free, most people would try a few and then pick the one they like best. |
| 23:06.41 | Stephaknee | cafuego: That's hard though, since it takes a lot of time to install and find out what you hate about it. |
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| 23:06.55 | cafuego | Stephaknee: if install take a along time, don't use it. |
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| 23:07.07 | Stephaknee | cafuego: erm, no, thats not what i mean. |
| 23:07.10 | Heston | or use a virtual machine |
| 23:07.25 | Heston | debian is very well rounded i find\ |
| 23:07.27 | Stephaknee | cafuego: it takes a lot of time to install any distribution, you know...and configure it......how you want it. |
| 23:07.27 | xarquid | cafuego: that would eliminate gentoo ;P |
| 23:07.35 | Stephaknee | I've always liked debian, except for outdatedness in packages. |
| 23:07.37 | Heston | as far as packages, security and performace goes |
| 23:07.40 | cafuego | xarquid: excellent |
| 23:07.45 | xarquid | lol |
| 23:08.02 | wintix | heh |
| 23:08.08 | cafuego | Stephaknee: Yup, that's why i run ubuntu on the desktop and debian on servers. |
| 23:08.17 | Heston | yuck |
| 23:08.23 | Stephaknee | Now, i wouldnt care if packages were outdated and the versions i was given were good versions. |
| 23:08.44 | Heston | why do you need bleeding edgte software |
| 23:08.48 | Heston | edge |
| 23:08.51 | Stephaknee | Heston: i dont. |
| 23:08.52 | wintix | Stephaknee: your system seems pretty weird. debian 4.0 with a kernel version 2.4.. maybe you messed up the update? |
| 23:09.10 | Stephaknee | Heston: but some packages have bugs that have been fixed already, and really piss me the hell off. |
| 23:09.13 | Stephaknee | wintix: no idea. |
| 23:09.14 | wintix | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 23:09.36 | SerajewelKS | wintix: the upgrade doesn't do anything to the kernel |
| 23:09.43 | Heston | Stephaknee, you could path them yourself |
| 23:09.44 | Stephaknee | Heston: this is especially true with programs that suck, like firefox and konqueror, and where no better alternatives exist.......they're always getting better and since they suck, you need the most recent package you can get. |
| 23:09.56 | Stephaknee | Heston: thats a pain in the ass on binary distributions. :) |
| 23:09.58 | Heston | ;patch |
| 23:10.03 | wintix | SerajewelKS: don't you switch from 2.4 to 2.6 in the recommended upgrade procedure? |
| 23:10.05 | Stephaknee | Heston: it often causes dependancy hell. |
| 23:10.11 | Heston | debian offers soruce for everything |
| 23:10.11 | SerajewelKS | wintix: no |
| 23:10.19 | Heston | no, i mean just the big fixes |
| 23:10.30 | Stephaknee | but ok. |
| 23:10.33 | Heston | that shouldnt affect any dependencies |
| 23:10.42 | Heston | bug* |
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| 23:10.47 | foo | What is debian's release cycle? |
| 23:10.53 | Heston | god damn laptop keyboard |
| 23:11.20 | SerajewelKS | foo: a new release is planned for once a year and anticipated about once every 1.5 years |
| 23:11.35 | gravity | SerajewelKS: No, it's planned for once every 1.5 years |
| 23:11.43 | wintix | foo: /msg dpkg release |
| 23:11.46 | SerajewelKS | gravity: when did that change |
| 23:11.54 | gravity | SerajewelKS: It's been that way since the etch planning |
| 23:11.58 | gravity | 1.5 years was always the target |
| 23:11.59 | Heston | stephaknee, this is the idea behind using testing |
| 23:12.09 | foo | SerajewelKS / wintix: Hm, I mean stable, my bad. |
| 23:12.10 | Heston | its packages are updates frequently |
| 23:12.11 | SerajewelKS | gravity: ah i was probably still thinking of sarge's plan |
| 23:12.15 | Heston | unlike stable |
| 23:12.21 | SerajewelKS | foo: etch is stable |
| 23:12.27 | SerajewelKS | foo: if that's what you're asking |
| 23:12.29 | foo | SerajewelKS: I know, not what I asked. 5 years? |
| 23:12.35 | Stephaknee | Heston: yeah, but i *am* using testing, and like, for example, gtk-gnutella gives me errors about having an ancient version. |
| 23:12.36 | SerajewelKS | foo: 5 years for what |
| 23:12.37 | foo | SerajewelKS: eg. how often is a new stable release released. |
| 23:12.45 | SerajewelKS | foo: i just told you |
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| 23:12.56 | wintix | SerajewelKS: every 1.5-2 years. |
| 23:12.57 | Stephaknee | Heston: i even had to modify the config file to make it run, because its set up to refuse to run if the version is too old, by default. |
| 23:12.57 | SerajewelKS | foo: about once every 1.5 years. not sure what was unclear. |
| 23:12.59 | wintix | err. |
| 23:13.06 | foo | SerajewelKS: ahh. |
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| 23:13.17 | Stephaknee | Heston: not needing bleeding edge is one thing, but getting errors like that is kinda silly. |
| 23:13.17 | Heston | Stephaknee i thought you were usinbg etch |
| 23:13.24 | Stephaknee | Heston: i thought so too. |
| 23:13.27 | foo | SerajewelKS: :P Thanks |
| 23:13.37 | Heston | Stephaknee, etch is not testing |
| 23:13.45 | Stephaknee | Heston: oh. |
| 23:13.50 | Stephaknee | Heston: it was testing when i upgraded to it, oops. |
| 23:13.54 | wintix | people should learn to read the topic.. |
| 23:13.59 | Heston | lenny is now testing |
| 23:14.07 | Stephaknee | I don't pay much attention to you guys. |
| 23:14.13 | Stephaknee | you're just my operating system. |
| 23:14.20 | wintix | heh |
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| 23:14.36 | Stephaknee | Maybe i should just uprgade tonight before i decide whether to change distributions or not. |
| 23:15.00 | wintix | good plan :) |
| 23:15.17 | Stephaknee | wintix: by the way, oss is working again. |
| 23:15.19 | Heston | i doubt you will find anything better than debian however thats merely and opinion from someone who has tried many linux distros and every bsd |
| 23:15.24 | wintix | Stephaknee: :) |
| 23:15.35 | SerajewelKS | i've tried a few distros |
| 23:15.41 | SerajewelKS | i think the worst i used was slackware |
| 23:15.41 | wintix | Heston: bsd creeps the hell out of me |
| 23:15.49 | SerajewelKS | it lasted about two and a half hours on my box |
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| 23:15.58 | Heston | bsd is great, just not for desktops i find |
| 23:16.07 | Stephaknee | Heston: i dunno, i used to like gentoo a lot.....other than compiling. |
| 23:16.35 | Heston | id like to tell you what i thought about gentoo, but id start a flame war |
| 23:16.59 | robin_sz | does it involve goats? |
| 23:17.05 | robin_sz | and vaseline? |
| 23:17.09 | xarquid | haha |
| 23:17.24 | Heston | #goatse? |
| 23:17.36 | xarquid | you can always give http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ a go |
| 23:18.05 | robin_sz | I knew him .... the admin from goatse |
| 23:18.14 | Heston | gentoo falls flat on its face after a month or so of use |
| 23:18.14 | Stephaknee | Heston: also, i havent used gentoo in years, so it might not be anything like what i remember. |
| 23:18.35 | Stephaknee | Heston: gentoo burned me out bad enough to make me switch to windows. |
| 23:18.45 | robin_sz | euuh |
| 23:18.56 | robin_sz | Id rather do the thing with the goats to be honest |
| 23:18.59 | Stephaknee | i fucked up my gentoo partition and went back to windows, didnt want to waste two weeks downloading and compiling |
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| 23:19.08 | Heston | you couldnt pay me to recommend using gentoo, let alone use it |
| 23:19.24 | Stephaknee | im not on a very good computer, i had sattelite internet (teh suck) at the time... |
| 23:19.32 | Stephaknee | Heston: money talks... |
| 23:19.34 | robin_sz | !gentoosmite heston |
| 23:19.48 | Heston | yay |
| 23:19.48 | Stephaknee | haha |
| 23:19.50 | Stephaknee | <3 |
| 23:20.08 | Heston | now i have all my cpu instructions being used |
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| 23:20.20 | robin_sz | phear my evil bot keyword skilz |
| 23:20.20 | Stephaknee | Heston: heh, when i switched to debian originally, i was on dialup. got a IRC friend to burn the full set of discs and mail it to me. |
| 23:20.27 | Stephaknee | i think it was sarge |
| 23:20.39 | Heston | sarge was likely stable at the time |
| 23:20.46 | Stephaknee | yeah it was stable. |
| 23:21.09 | Stephaknee | Whenever i change distribution i make sure i have a friend that uses it......that always makes stuff easier. |
| 23:21.09 | Heston | doesnt debian do the free disk thing? |
| 23:21.26 | Stephaknee | Heston: for a full set of ~20 disks? |
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| 23:21.33 | Heston | it does, but you learn more if you fuck up and fix it yourself |
| 23:21.46 | Heston | well thats why you dont get the package cd's |
| 23:21.50 | Heston | just the netinstall |
| 23:21.57 | Stephaknee | Heston: i was on *dialup* |
| 23:22.06 | Stephaknee | netinstall was a total non option. |
| 23:22.19 | Stephaknee | anyway, they were free to me. good friend. |
| 23:22.33 | Heston | ala dvd |
| 23:22.43 | Stephaknee | Heston: this computer was built in 2001. |
| 23:23.04 | Heston | you can throw a dvd reader on anything with an ide port |
| 23:23.12 | Stephaknee | Heston: if you have money |
| 23:23.25 | Stephaknee | Heston: anyway, as for learning, i learned a lot from people helping me. |
| 23:23.53 | Heston | as long as you learn |
| 23:24.34 | Stephaknee | Heston: i *have to* learn, i have no option other than free OSes........all my windows licenses are totally obsolete, and i cant afford windows. |
| 23:24.37 | Stephaknee | :) |
| 23:24.39 | Stephaknee | and it sucks to not learn :( |
| 23:25.42 | Heston | well you'[re not missing much as far as vista goes but thats another story |
| 23:25.51 | Stephaknee | Heston: yeah, i've heard about that. |
| 23:26.04 | Stephaknee | Heston: it sucks not having windows though.....i wish i could dual boot, got a few things i cant do on linux. |
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| 23:26.26 | Heston | gaming? |
| 23:26.37 | Heston | photoshop? |
| 23:26.43 | hermogenes | Stephaknee: what would that brĀ² |
| 23:26.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Both are possible. |
| 23:26.47 | Heston | about the only two |
| 23:26.48 | hermogenes | be* |
| 23:26.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Native apps. |
| 23:26.50 | overclocker | i'm having problems with the example config of libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql in ethc?, i've a core dump, ideas? |
| 23:26.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wine. |
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| 23:26.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cedega. |
| 23:27.11 | Stephaknee | hermogenes: send files to my mp3 player |
| 23:27.20 | Heston | sure, if you like your apps crashing every 10 minutes |
| 23:27.23 | Stephaknee | Heston: i play like two games. |
| 23:27.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | What kind of mp3 player? |
| 23:27.35 | Stephaknee | Dark_Apostrophe: creative nomad |
| 23:27.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got one of those |
| 23:27.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Creative Zen Toucn |
| 23:27.48 | Stephaknee | Dark_Apostrophe: i tried to make it work. |
| 23:27.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Touch* |
| 23:27.53 | Stephaknee | it's a creative nomad zen. an old one. |
| 23:28.03 | hermogenes | Stephaknee: Don't it have usb mass storage support? |
| 23:28.10 | Gnea | hrm |
| 23:28.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Works with kio_zen, kzenexplorer and gnomad2 |
| 23:28.12 | Stephaknee | Dark_Apostrophe: hell, i couldnt even get a fucking zaurus to hook up to linux. That one really beat me, the device *runs* linux. |
| 23:28.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | And Amarok |
| 23:28.19 | Stephaknee | hermogenes: i dont think so. |
| 23:28.26 | Stephaknee | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm, ok. |
| 23:28.31 | Gnea | i've been seeing some newer portable MP3 players that support OGG |
| 23:28.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Try amarok |
| 23:28.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's the least crashy of the aforementioned apps |
| 23:28.41 | hermogenes | Stephaknee: Bad. |
| 23:28.46 | Stephaknee | heh. |
| 23:28.52 | Stephaknee | hermogenes: its OLD |
| 23:28.54 | Gnea | haven't tried one of the video ones to see if they support OGG Theora yet tho |
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| 23:29.10 | Gnea | what sucks is that the LG UP3 isn't supported by linux... yet :P |
| 23:29.11 | Sazpaimon | xoz, you still there? |
| 23:29.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want an MP3 player on which I can install Rockbox |
| 23:29.45 | Gnea | rockbox? |
| 23:29.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | And iPods are out of the question |
| 23:29.51 | cafuego | well, just grab an ipod then |
| 23:29.52 | gravity | Dark_Apostrophe: I use a 5.5 gen iPod video |
| 23:29.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: /join #rockbox |
| 23:29.59 | gravity | Rockbox runs nicely on it |
| 23:30.12 | Sazpaimon | hey Gnea, I re-imaged my machine back with sarge and my net is working again |
| 23:30.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: It's a free operating system for loads of types of mp3 players |
| 23:30.13 | hermogenes | I think hardware manufactures could cooperate more with us but are not doing so because of mistaken views... |
| 23:30.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Far better than iPodLinux |
| 23:30.26 | Sazpaimon | anything I should check before i re-upgrade back to etch? |
| 23:30.31 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: oh cool |
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| 23:30.41 | wintix | Sazpaimon: read the release notes. |
| 23:30.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | gravity: Like I said, iPods are out of the question |
| 23:30.49 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: hrm... you know, i've always done apt-get upgrade before apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:30.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not a dime of my money will go to Crapple. |
| 23:31.07 | wintix | Sazpaimon: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 23:31.26 | Sazpaimon | wintix, i had already upgraded to etch before |
| 23:31.28 | Heston | crapple eh |
| 23:31.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aside from the moral stuff, there's also the problem that iPods are crappy products |
| 23:31.33 | gravity | Dark_Apostrophe: That's all I've got experience with. |
| 23:31.35 | Sazpaimon | it worked fine except it killed my net on this box |
| 23:31.38 | Stephaknee | is there any possibility i could get a loan to rebuild my computer, when i dont have a job? |
| 23:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | They break easily, and are very fragile |
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| 23:31.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've dropped my Zen Touch on cement several times, and it still works like a charm |
| 23:32.01 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, i'll check it out in a bit... trying to get X running again |
| 23:32.05 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, route and ip r gives results now too |
| 23:32.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Unfortunately, Rockbox won't work on Zen |
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| 23:32.17 | Heston | Stephaknee from the bank of debian? |
| 23:32.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | They're working on getting it to work on Zen Vision:M |
| 23:32.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it's gonna take forever |
| 23:32.30 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: right on - you should save those results somewhere... like: ip r > routing.table.txt |
| 23:32.36 | Stephaknee | Heston: no, just wondering if you guys knew if places actually looked for that. |
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| 23:32.50 | Stephaknee | and which places ;) |
| 23:32.57 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: if it breaks again, you should be able to force it to work until it's fixed |
| 23:32.59 | Heston | well that would be relative to your location |
| 23:33.08 | Stephaknee | i have income, just no job. |
| 23:33.33 | Heston | depends on how much income and how reliable it is |
| 23:33.44 | Gnea | Stephaknee: probably, just don't tell them you're unemployed lol |
| 23:33.46 | Heston | and whether you can prove its reliable |
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| 23:33.57 | Gnea | that may or may not work :) |
| 23:33.59 | Stephaknee | Heston: its UIA and selling off material posessions so i can go to college without leaving my parents a few tons of crap they dont want |
| 23:34.05 | Sazpaimon | Gnea, good deal |
| 23:34.50 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: btw, are you in southern cali? |
| 23:34.56 | Sazpaimon | yes |
| 23:35.09 | Gnea | heh, i almost drove there last night |
| 23:35.27 | Gnea | but came to the conclusion that falling asleep at the wheel wouldnt be a good thing ;) |
| 23:35.36 | Stephaknee | Heston: by the way, how is the bank of debian's interest rates? |
| 23:35.40 | Heston | Stephaknee, you may have a difficult time getting a loan with those circumstances. is the computer really that needed? |
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| 23:36.07 | Stephaknee | Heston: not really, but i'm making almost what i make when i had a job, and i know i could pay it off pretty quickly ;p |
| 23:36.09 | Gnea | Sazpaimon: i'm in az, it's starting to get hot here, so i like to hit the beach every so often |
| 23:36.35 | Heston | Stephaknee, the interest rates are moderate, you pay with code |
| 23:36.44 | Stephaknee | this thing pisses me the hell off :P |
| 23:36.56 | Sazpaimon | anyway let me run apt-spy again |
| 23:36.57 | runatrain | break it |
| 23:37.03 | Gnea | but they are working on the 10 this weekend, so all traffic is routed downtown - not worth putting up with.. plus it didn't even hit 90F :D |
| 23:37.15 | Stephaknee | the real thing that pisses me off is how half the components are broken |
| 23:37.46 | Gnea | Stephaknee: do you have a warranty on it or is it personal-built? |
| 23:37.46 | Heston | i would say start with a fresh testing install, keep your home partition but im not sure how lenny is atm |
| 23:38.00 | Stephaknee | Gnea: personal built and REALLY REALLY old |
| 23:38.35 | uzer | is there a decent office suite other than openoffice? |
| 23:38.49 | mezoko | I'm trying to install rpm packages in debian and it says that it needs /bin/sed and other depends that I already have installed 0_o |
| 23:38.51 | ustunozgur | gnome office? |
| 23:38.53 | Heston | the kde one is alright |
| 23:38.56 | dErFF | how do i rename a file in commandline? |
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| 23:39.12 | ustunozgur | use mv. |
| 23:39.15 | Heston | gnome has an office suit? |
| 23:39.15 | Gnea | Stephaknee: you know, i've been building my own for years now too, but i'm getting to the point now where i think i'm just gonna buy a dell or something... their warranty is worth it.. something breaks, they send you a new part free of charge, or they send someone out to install it |
| 23:39.30 | ustunozgur | yes, abiword and gnumeric. |
| 23:39.35 | Heston | as far as i know gnome just uses openoffice |
| 23:39.39 | Gnea | plus they're gonna start offerring ubuntu |
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| 23:40.00 | ustunozgur | see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome_office |
| 23:40.09 | Gnea | Stephaknee: what parts failed? |
| 23:40.13 | uzer | ustunozgur: thanks, found that |
| 23:40.44 | ustunozgur | see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_word_processors |
| 23:41.06 | mezoko | anyone have any ideas how to get past the rpm errors teling me I don't have depends even though I have them |
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| 23:41.33 | Heston | mezoko convert it to a deb first? |
| 23:41.39 | stoned | !alien |
| 23:41.39 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 23:41.47 | stoned | no guarantees |
| 23:41.58 | mmlj4 | !humanoid |
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| 23:42.24 | hall_ | i have one master and one slave, the slave reports that it is 'inaccessible' using the Gnome-disks GUI. How can I reach this drive? |
| 23:42.27 | mezoko | this sucks trying to install novell client in debian |
| 23:42.40 | mezoko | fuck novell, suse/opensuse just doesn't work on a low end machine |
| 23:42.53 | Heston | hall_, check your console...specifically dmesg |
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| 23:44.05 | hermogenes | hall_: is it mounted? |
| 23:44.23 | mezoko | how do I install a local deb file? |
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| 23:44.36 | Gnea | mezoko: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 23:44.39 | hall_ | probably not how do i locate and mount it? |
| 23:44.46 | Flapp | hmm can anyone please help me now? |
| 23:44.51 | Gnea | !beer stoned |
| 23:44.58 | Gnea | Flapp: only if you tell us the problem :) |
| 23:45.01 | stoned | Gnea: im not talkin to you :( |
| 23:45.02 | Flapp | lol |
| 23:45.08 | hermogenes | hall_: you need root access |
| 23:45.08 | Flapp | well I downloaded the windows insatller for debian |
| 23:45.14 | Flapp | from goodbye-microsoft |
| 23:45.18 | stoned | !debian.exe |
| 23:45.19 | dpkg | debian.exe is probably the debian-installer loader for win32, which will install Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (ETCH) as default. `debian.exe` will install grub for NT on C drive, then proceed to download the netboot kernel/initrd.gz from debian.org, and create entries in boot.ini to load grub/menu.lst. Available at http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com - Ask me about installation guide <ig> (/msg dpkg ig). |
| 23:45.22 | Gnea | stoned: damnit, stop being such a crybaby - i'm sorry i forgot you were nyle! |
| 23:45.35 | hall_ | i have that |
| 23:45.35 | Flapp | exactly |
| 23:45.38 | Flapp | but how do i remove it? |
| 23:45.43 | stoned | Gnea: bah.. ok |
| 23:45.47 | Gnea | :D |
| 23:46.04 | stoned | Flapp: remove what? |
| 23:46.07 | Flapp | because it still keeps booting to the installer instead of windows |
| 23:46.15 | Heston | lol |
| 23:46.17 | Gnea | whoa... that's pretty cool |
| 23:46.26 | stoned | Flapp: modify boot.ini |
| 23:46.33 | Flapp | stoned its not in boot .ini |
| 23:46.39 | Flapp | vista doesn't even have a boot.ini |
| 23:46.45 | Gnea | lol |
| 23:46.50 | Gnea | veeeesta |
| 23:46.51 | stoned | Flapp: i don't fuck with vista dual booting |
| 23:46.57 | Heston | goodbye windows |
| 23:47.00 | Gnea | hasta la vista, baby! |
| 23:47.09 | Flapp | how do i edit the menu.lst |
| 23:47.13 | Flapp | its on a ntfs partition |
| 23:47.15 | Flapp | nd i cant mount it |
| 23:47.16 | Gnea | vi menu.lst |
| 23:47.22 | Flapp | because it wasnt shutdown cleanly |
| 23:47.22 | runatrain | i hope i never use windows again |
| 23:47.22 | Heston | does vista have msconfig? |
| 23:47.23 | Flapp | ... |
| 23:47.29 | Flapp | i cant boot to vista ;) |
| 23:47.31 | stoned | Flapp: in menu.lst you can specify which os to boot. you can chainload the vista loader |
| 23:47.31 | Gnea | Heston: yes |
| 23:47.36 | hermogenes | hall_: Take a look at the output of dmesg for the name of the device, then mount it with: # mount -t -filesystem_ /dev/_devicename_ _targetdirectory_ |
| 23:47.38 | hall_ | dmesg http://pastebin.ca/474725 |
| 23:47.41 | Flapp | stoned i cant edit menu.lst |
| 23:47.41 | stoned | Flapp: google for dual booting vista with grub |
| 23:47.43 | Flapp | thats the problem |
| 23:47.52 | Flapp | i know how to dual boot |
| 23:47.54 | Gnea | Heston: vista also has its own bastardized version of sudo |
| 23:47.56 | Heston | rewrite your mbr |
| 23:47.57 | stoned | Flapp: its in c:\debian or c:\ |
| 23:48.11 | Flapp | yup nd how do i get there without windows, if i cant mount it? |
| 23:48.51 | ustunozgur | why can't you mount it? |
| 23:48.53 | Heston | Gnea, not surpirsing as they are tyring to make a real unix like console |
| 23:48.59 | stoned | Flapp: http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/article111/menu-list.jpg |
| 23:49.03 | stoned | for fucks sake search on google |
| 23:49.13 | libervisco | Hi, when can we expect kernel 2.6.19 in testing? |
| 23:49.15 | Flapp | I know how menu.lst works |
| 23:49.22 | stoned | goddamnit, grub can chainload vista's boot loader. debian.exe does NOT write over the mbr |
| 23:49.22 | Flapp | but i am unable to write to it |
| 23:49.27 | ustunozgur | why? |
| 23:49.30 | libervisco | I need it for my JMicron stuff support.. |
| 23:49.31 | Gnea | libervisco: probably never, i'm running 2.6.20 in unstable right now |
| 23:49.33 | Flapp | because i cant mount the partition |
| 23:49.44 | stoned | Flapp: so you're in linux right now? |
| 23:49.45 | libervisco | Gnea, so 2.6.20 is next? |
| 23:49.49 | Flapp | yes |
| 23:49.51 | Gnea | libervisco: yup |
| 23:49.52 | ustunozgur | mount it then. don't you have root password? |
| 23:49.52 | stoned | Flapp: you need to give us some more info |
| 23:49.59 | Grim76 | He probably can't mount the NTFS partition with write permissions. |
| 23:49.59 | Flapp | i tried ntfs-3g |
| 23:50.00 | stoned | Flapp: then modify /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:50.08 | libervisco | Gnea, do you think it's coming to lenny soon? |
| 23:50.14 | Flapp | stoned its in menu.lst on a ntfs partition |
| 23:50.15 | stoned | make linux's boot loader boot vista too |
| 23:50.23 | Gnea | libervisco: no idea, i only run stable and unstable, i don't mess with testing |
| 23:50.26 | Flapp | it does, but the second grub pops up |
| 23:50.28 | Flapp | before vista does |
| 23:50.33 | Flapp | nd i cant write to the second |
| 23:50.38 | Flapp | because I cant mount the partition |
| 23:50.40 | libervisco | Gnea, ok, thanks |
| 23:51.01 | stoned | Flapp: menu.exe installs grub which does NOT modify the MBR at all. the grub you see is in linux in /boot/grub/menu.lst. modify that. |
| 23:51.03 | Gnea | Flapp: what system is that? |
| 23:51.13 | stoned | s/menu.exe/debian.exe |
| 23:51.19 | Flapp | stoned i didnt manage to install debian |
| 23:51.21 | hermogenes | hall_: the device is /dev/hdb. it has 4 partitions. |
| 23:51.23 | libervisco | Gnea, I'm afraid unstable would be a bit too shaky for me (been even running sidux till now) and stable tends to get too old too quickly so.. testing seems like a best bet.. |
| 23:51.23 | Flapp | thats why i want out of it |
| 23:51.37 | Flapp | to boot the installer it installs grub on the windows partition |
| 23:52.03 | Gnea | libervisco: sid will probably break a bit this summer, but it should sail smoothly after that... i've found that testing tends to break more often than sid |
| 23:52.09 | hermogenes | hall_: what filesystem are in them? |
| 23:52.13 | ustunozgur | Flapp, did you try F8? |
| 23:52.17 | Flapp | yes |
| 23:52.27 | Flapp | grub pops up before the windows bootloader for some reason |
| 23:52.36 | libervisco | Gnea, heh that's weird |
| 23:52.40 | stoned | Flapp: how about you use one line. a full coherent sentence, and tell me exactly what you did, where you are, and what the problem is. I can't deal with fragments of thoughts |
| 23:52.44 | hall_ | ext3 |
| 23:52.50 | Flapp | stoned sorry |
| 23:52.52 | Flapp | ill try |
| 23:53.01 | xoz | Sazpaimon: yep |
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| 23:53.24 | hermogenes | hall_: Do you want some of the partitions to be mounted at boot time? |
| 23:53.28 | Gnea | libervisco: sure is, but that's the trend i've noticed... i might start with testing if i get another system this year though, just to help out with bug fixes |
| 23:53.31 | hall_ | yes |
| 23:53.38 | Flapp | I ran debian.exe, what it did was to make the installer boot, is write a grub to boot the installer on the windows partition, I didnt want to install linux this way so i want out of it, I already have another linux setup on my box |
| 23:53.46 | Stephaknee | Gnea: i dont need a warranty. The parts that have failed are the cd burner, and the video card has partially failed. (3dfx, lol) |
| 23:53.49 | hall_ | the largest partition |
| 23:53.51 | hermogenes | hall_: Which ones? |
| 23:53.53 | Stephaknee | Gnea: parts of the fan circuitry on the motherboard too. |
| 23:53.53 | Flapp | so i thought I'll just mount my ntfs partition and edit the menu.lst, but i cant mount it |
| 23:54.00 | Flapp | so i cant edit menu.lst |
| 23:54.11 | Stephaknee | Gnea: i can rebuild for $250ish, including a bigger hard drive, dvd burner, dvd rom. |
| 23:54.13 | stoned | Flapp: btw, debian.exe installs grub in c:\grldr and c:\menu.lst AND IT DOES NOT install grub on the mbr. |
| 23:54.20 | Gnea | Stephaknee: good point |
| 23:54.27 | Flapp | stoned so how do i get out of it? |
| 23:54.32 | Flapp | if i cant write anything to the c |
| 23:54.41 | Stephaknee | Gnea: i just replaced the power supply because it failed again, as well. But, i can't get a dell for $250......of course, this is reusing about half a system too. |
| 23:54.45 | xoz | Sazpaimon: store as much info about your current network so that you can check the changes in upgrade |
| 23:54.50 | stoned | Flapp: but if you didn't install debian how you are in linux? |
| 23:54.52 | hall_ | i dunno really i'ts another drive withe debian on it with a seperate /home - I want to rsync one to the the other |
| 23:54.57 | Flapp | stoned live cd |
| 23:55.23 | stoned | Flapp: when you take the live cd out, and boot pc, what options do you have? |
| 23:55.42 | Flapp | well from my old linux install (wich is broken) |
| 23:55.49 | Gnea | Stephaknee: good luck |
| 23:55.52 | Flapp | I still have grub so i can choose between vista nd my broken linux |
| 23:56.00 | stoned | Flapp: ok.. the picture I linked to you earlier you still have it |
| 23:56.04 | Flapp | yes |
| 23:56.15 | hall_ | hermogenes, I guess i want to mount it all? for rsync? |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | Flapp: you can simply write that info down, remember where vista is installed, when you get to the grub screen, just hit `e` for edit.. add some lines to make it look like that.. boot into vista and then change the files or rewrite the mbr. once again, with full confidence, I can tell you that debian.exe's grub install is NOT on the MBR. debian.exe's grub install uses ntldr *windows boot loader* to load grldr *grub boot loader* |
| 23:57.37 | hermogenes | hall_: the home directory is probaly /dev/hdb6 partition. you can mount it with: # mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb6 _targetdirectory_ |
| 23:57.41 | Flapp | stoned |
| 23:57.45 | Flapp | I have |
| 23:57.50 | Flapp | it still boots the installer |
| 23:58.21 | stoned | Flapp: if you can access that drive, please paste the contents of menu.lst and boot.ini to pastebin |
| 23:58.30 | ustunozgur | So, basically it first loads the real GRUB, and then the GRUB on the windows partition. |
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| 23:58.42 | ustunozgur | which livecd are you using? |
| 23:58.44 | Flapp | i can't acces it |
| 23:58.48 | Flapp | i can't mount it |
| 23:59.01 | Flapp | i only know its there because with the vista recovery console i saw it was on the drive |
| 23:59.02 | ustunozgur | knoppix can mount it I guess. |
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| 23:59.13 | stoned | Flapp: go to ##windows |
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| 23:59.14 | Flapp | a gentoo livecd with ntfs-3g |
| 23:59.27 | Flapp | ntfs-3g can't mount it |
| 23:59.28 | Flapp | :( |
| 23:59.30 | Gnea | heh |
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| 23:59.36 | Flapp | it says it wasnt shutdown cleanly |
| 23:59.36 | ustunozgur | what error does it give? |
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| 23:59.45 | Gnea | then fix the filesystem |
| 23:59.48 | Flapp | i did |
| 23:59.50 | Flapp | chkdisk |
| 23:59.51 | endia314 | Question: What is the standard procedure for fixing bugs which already have patches available? |
| 23:59.59 | stoned | Flapp: why not just boot installer, install debian, write the mbr with debian's grub, THEN modify /boot/grub/menu.lst and then do stuff |
